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Wed Sep 17 2014 4:34 pm EST

MF.... Girardi just signed a 6 year deal worth $5.5 Mil per with a NMC and a modified NTC. Staal also made a little bit more than Girardi the last contracts the two signed. If not for Staal's injuries the past few seasons , it would be a huge bargain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 3:57 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-bruins-face-excruciating-johnny-boychuk-trade-decision/

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 3:47 pm EST

and Staal wants 6 years @ $6 mill with an NMC/NTC ?????

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 3:15 pm EST

Rabid, I think that was a typo because I feel fine. I'm not sick

KIS


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:55 pm EST

Martin St Louis ..... Excited for my first training camp with @NYRangers thx @PrentissHockey for another great summer of training. 39 is the new 32!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:42 pm EST

Per Bob McKenzie ..... As OTT GM Bryan Murray said in tsn.ca interview, Ryan wants to wait to see how season unfolds for him and team before negotiating numbers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:38 pm EST

Dallas Valentine? Bobby's grandson?

Bob


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:35 pm EST

Dallas Valentine? Sounds like an old Mets manager.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:31 pm EST

The NYR roster breakdown for Training Camp is as follows: Forwards (37): Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Derick Brassard, Nathan Burns, Anthony Duclair, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Keegan Iverson, Michael Kantor, Chris Kreider, Danny Kristo, Nickolas Latta, Paxton Leroux, Oscar Lindberg, Matthew Lombardi, Ryan Malone, Chris McCarthy, J.T. Miller, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Rick Nash, Richard Nejezchleb, Logan Nelson, Josh Nicholls, Ryan Potulny, Michael St. Croix, Martin St. Louis, Lee Stempniak, Derek Stepan, Adam Tambellini, Nick Tarnasky, Andrew Yogan, Mats Zuccarello. Defensemen (19): Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Dan Boyle, Troy Donnay, Dan Girardi, Ryan Graves, Tommy Hughes, Matt Hunwick, Steven Kampfer, Kevin Klein, Michael Kostka, Ryan Mantha, Ryan McDonagh, Dylan McIlrath, John Moore, Samuel Noreau, Marc Staal, Dallas Valentine, Daniel Walcott. Goaltenders (6): Cedrick Desjardins, Brandon Halverson, Henrik Lundqvist, Jason Missiaen, Mackenzie Skapski, Cam Talbot. The players will begin on-ice activities on Friday, September 19 at 10:00 a.m. at MSG Training Center. No Kovalev:(

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:25 pm EST

Rhet: Re Ryan - if that's true, what an idiot. What has he accomplished to date to deserve a contract paying him $7,000,000 for the next 7 years, let alone MORE money and/or term?

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:19 pm EST

There are unconfirmed rumors that Bobby Ryan turned down a seven-year, $49 million offer..... Per JD on the Johansen negotiations.... “We’ve been told if we don’t give them what they want, they’ll be leaving town.”

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:14 pm EST

KID.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:13 pm EST

Kis is sick RF, no doubt. Id even wager he outpoints Stamkos, who I font expect to be as quick & has no MSL to feed him. Johhanson is way confident too and knows he's trending, thus the squabble. CBJs will have to bite the bullet on this one, THIS is the player everyone wants. My guess is he gets a 5yr deal and big money.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:05 pm EST

RR: Johansen, IMO, has the makings of a top 10 NHLer and top 3 centerman. What I saw from him in last year's POs really made me stand up and notice (lots of positive noise about him as the year went on but I didn't see any BJ games until the Pittsburgh series). This kid was easily the best BJ and oftentimes the best player on the ice for BOTH teams. His skillset is thru the roof. And it's only now starting to truly surface. He's going to evolve, I think, into a classic number 1 center - skating ability, a shot, a puck distributor, size (6'4" and 220) and aggressiveness. You build around pieces like this kid. This is why even despite the mounting nastiness in BJville I don't believe he'll be traded, but as long as the acrimony continues (and increases in intensity) it remains possible.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:01 pm EST

Rhet: Yep, agreed it would have to be thought over by Sather and team before trading for Johansen. His agent is famous for being involved in acrimonious contract negotiations including Turris, Ryan Kesler and Brandon Dubinsky on his 4 year deal with the Rangers. Apparently, the BJs had rough negotiations with the entry level deal for Kerby Rychel. All the same agent. It's interesting...

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 1:58 pm EST

Gotta say Hayes showed nice hands & good finish on his goal yesterday. Funny thing is, we dont NEED Stamkos or Johansson, thought youd have to be ubatz not to want either. But both our top centers were seriously banged up and still we came within a whisker. Thats without our sniper sniping & no PP. Now new depth at center in Lombardi Lindberg maybe Miller or Hayes, Stemp can play there too. I like what we have right now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 1:40 pm EST

TD...He wasn't among the first, he was the first to have the Hayes signing. He 's also been right on other occasions. That being said, Columbus exploring trading Johansen's rights is part of the process in these types of negotiations. It also doesn't mean that they're ready to part with him just yet ...RF4L... What's troubling about Johansen is that he wants this kind of money based on one strong season. He did absolutely nothing his prior 2 NHL seasons. Other guys put up much better numbers over three seasons to get the big payday on their second deal. I would be concerned if I we spent assets for the guy and his demands didn't come down. If Stamkos gets to Free Agency, MSL could be the key to him signing in NY. Stamkos was not at all happy about him being traded. Still, two seasons is a long time away and a lot can happen between now and then ....JFC.... I would be okay with trading both players as long as it was for the right guy. I would not want to see them moved in a deal for a 35 year old player(for eg. Joe Thornton). I agree that the Hayes signing was big. It gives us some depth at center(in the organization) where we had little to none before.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 11:51 am EST

Just did a little research on the BJ/Johnasen impasse. This could spiral into something even messier than it already is. Apparently, the BJs are offering a 2 year 'bridge' deal in the neighbourhood of $3,000,000 to $3,500,000/year, similar to the sort of deals signed last fall by Stepan and Nasim Kadri of the Leafs. Meanwhile, Johnasen's agent wants a longer term deal at $6,500,000/year, ala those deals signed by Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin 2 summers ago. These 2 camps are miles apart, both on term and rate and unless someone budges (and it appears the BJs won't) a hold out is all but guaranteed. What isn't known is how long will the impasse last? How long is Johansen prepared to sit out? A month? Half the season? What a giant headache and distraction this is becoming. And it'll only worsen as the days turn into weeks and maybe even months. BTW, if Johansen does get shopped, you gotta believe whoever acquires him has to be prepared to give him the deal he wants. Interestingly enough, in the long run it could turn out to be the right thing to do for the club. One only has to look at how the Canadiens will now be paying thru the nose for PK Subban. Two summers ago he wanted a deal like the one Johansen is seeking but the Canadiens held their ground and he settled for a 2 year bridge deal. he won the James Norris trophy in year one of that deal and had another strong season last year. Now, instead of paying Subban something like $6,500,000 for the next 4 years, they will be paying him an incredible $9,000,000, meaning the money they saved over the past 2 seasons is blown out of the water in the next 4. The biggest downfall of signing a longer term deal now (2nd deal after the entry level deal) is that when it expires, the player is an UFA (like at 28) whereas the bridge deal, followed by a more expensive 6 year deal ends up locking the player up for an extra 2 years. The best example of this is Stamkos - he signed a big 2nd contract, skipping the bridge deal contract, but will hit UFA status in the summer of 2016, at the ripe old age of 26!

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 11:45 am EST

Rangers will wear microchips in jerseys this year so they can be tracked for advanced stats. Corsi & Fenwick must be delighted. And if Stepan goes anywhere it should be for Stamkos, who is UFA next. Itd take more than Step obviously, but we could afford it EASY. Lucic UFA after next year too.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:27 am EST

tdchi- I would of course be very suprised if Johansen would be moved, but of course, somewhere along some kind of scale you need to draw a line for a pain limit no matter who you negotiate with. If a guy coming of a ELC with one decent year under his belt want Toews and Kane UFA money, do you pay it? If you don't, what are your options. To have that asset play in the KHL for a number of years before he becomes a UFA.

Ola


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:08 am EST

Take this for what it's worth, which isn't much, but the same guy who was among the first to call HAYES to the Rangers also said the Jackets are quietly shopping JOHANSEN...again...I don't know on what planet a GM would move a center like that, especially given the team they've built in Columbus...the Jackets taking the Pens to the brink wasn't a fluke by any means...it's a team coming into its own...I wouldn't be surprised to see them go deep this year.

tdchi


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:07 am EST

Rhet -- don't know that any of the youngins could make Stepan "expendable" at this point (although it seems as if the Rangers are hoping one day to use Hayes as a Center), but it's possible, for instance, that a package of Hags & Stepan could bring in a Center to replace Stepan....one who has some ingredients that Stepan does not. In other words, maybe the kids make Hags expendable and it leads to a package deal. My point is that if several youngins show that they are right on the cusp of being NHL ready, it opens up the possibility of shipping out young vets like Hags & Stepan (& Milller) to bring in a big fish.

JFC31


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:01 am EST

Look, these things happen periodically and 99% of the time the player re-signs and all is forgotten. I get the GM talking but I don't get JD jumping in like he did. There is no way he gets dealt and if he does, there are other teams who could offer more than the Rangers anyway. Would love to have him though RF4L.

Bob


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:00 am EST

Sather: Get on the horn and offer the BJs Stepan, Miller and Skeji for Johnasen and a draft pick. Do it - nothing to lose and everything to gain, including at a minimum putting a bug in JD's ear about possibly eliminating a nasty problem via making such a trade. Then the BJs can be renamed the Columbus Ranger Jackets!

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 7:50 am EST

Bob: Agreed, which is why I am watching with interest the escalating conflict in BJville. Yes, the chances of Johansen not resigning in the end are slim, but sometimes situations like this serve to drive a wedge between a player and an organization that never fully mends resulting, eventually, in the player being moved. IMO, BJ management are playing a dangerous game taking their side of the conflict public. To my knowledge, Johansen's camp has been relatively sileint throughout, obvoiusly letting their actions (not budging from their contract position) do the talking. I gotta figure, however, sooner or later some heated retorts will be issued and that will do nothing but add fuel to the fire.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:23 am EST

FWIW, I like the fact that they are trying Hayes at C. It is the biggest weakness in the system, and we could use a big, hulking center with wheels and hands. Imagine Boyle with skill. I hope he grows into that position.

Bob


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:19 pm EST

JFC... I agree that Hagelin should be looking over his shoulder with some of the talent the Rangers have in the system, but exactly who is going to make Stepan expendable?

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:11 pm EST

Never know how things are going to turn out; not just with injuries, but a lot of times the biggest problems come when the things you count on stop working. Along those lines, I could easily see a St Louis or Girardi or a Dom Moore just having one of those years where things arent clicking for them. And thats when the depth will provide options, even if theyre not perfect. I think Sather realizes that and is even more patient than usual, and he's usually like a frickin monument. There are a lot of new players and kids on the cusp to assess. 25-40 games seems about right IMO. But look out for the Thorton move anyway LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:09 pm EST

Per Aaron Portzline .... CBJ president John Davidson blasts contract with Johansen as "extortion" http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2014/09/davidson-its-extortion.html …

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:49 pm EST

And I agree that vets like Lombardi, Glass & Stemp are not going to get sent down unless they really stink it up.....and I don't see that happening. Malone needs to go a step,farther and PROVE he can still bring it like he used to....but, if he does, he too will have an edge as an experienced vet/known quantity. His biggest detriment will probably be if AV feels he's too slow to keep up the pace. If he's not, and he can still bang the boards and go hard to,the net....he's gonna stay. And that too, will make trades more likely.

JFC31


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:45 pm EST

If several kids really impress in tourney and continue to impress throughout camp, I could see them staying right until the final cuts, getting sent down to the AHL and then a significant trade or two of CURRENT players who the youngins have shown they have the ability to replace. Young, proven NHL vets who have proven value and would be attractive to other NHL teams....guys like Hagelin, Stepan. That, however, is a BIG if. I can't see this many players hanging around and not at least one trade before the season starts or early in the season.

JFC31


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:19 pm EST

6 years at $5.5 million sounds perfect, with the NY Rangers showing some damn good loyalty, faith, & risk......

mf


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:09 pm EST

Hospi veenyo will give his new "vets" preference. It will be up to them to keep their jobs or lose them to kids. But he will give most of them the poo treatment . ... Some might become Pi-Z and del zeroes...it's his and the sather's roster now ...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:05 pm EST

Marc Staal is reportedly seeking a 6 or 7 year deal worth $6 million per season. (NY Post) The Rangers are believed to be offering the same deal they gave Dan Girardi, 6 years at $5.5 million. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:47 pm EST

Rhet - The kid plays well against 18-22 year old punks and it's 'watch out"? Sorry, I don't buy it..TC means about zero for this coming year....And even if he plays decent in Camp, while it will be a great sign, the rangers will not jump him straight to the NHL from College..DOn't see an iota of a chance.....For Him..This Camp...Where I do agree with ya is that the Vets as well as the kids better be ready in camp and that it sure should be a hell of alot fun to see who makes it...But I also think the vets will get a little benefit of the doubt if it's close as more time in the A can only help the kids and make them more ready when called upon...But, hey, AV may have the opposite mind set and Malone, Lombardi, and Stemp (Glass is a slam dunk Ranger IMO) may not be long for NY...We'll see..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:16 pm EST

If Ryan Haggerty continues his strong play from the Tournament in Ranger camp, it will be hard to keep the kid off the team. He is a goal scorer. Kevin Hayes needs to show he belongs on the big club, I'm sure he'll come to camp with a chip on his shoulder. Oscar Lindberg was the preseason's final cut last year and he's also coming to camp with something to prove. Ryan Malone said that he knows he's got a fight on his hands if he wants to win a spot on this team. JT Miller also seems poised to make the team this season. JMO, but Stempniak, Lombardi and Glass better all come to camp with the same determination, or someone could be on the outside looking in come the first day of the season. Rangers Camp is shaping up to be a hell of a lot of fun this season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 5:45 pm EST

ryan johansen would be a superstar on broadway reminds me of a young Jean Ratelle but with a much more outgoing charismatic personality . he knows hes worth 7 million and there are teams willing to meet his price if not the blue jackets ( except for the compensation issue/ but if there there was no comp picks involved ar least a dozen teams wpuld be offering that amount including the ny rangers

docjay


Tue Sep 16 2014 5:40 pm EST

trevor halverson resembles a young Terry Sawchuck both physically and in terms of his style of play . just google terry sawchuck images to see the resemblance ( a young terry sawchuck from the early years in detroit)

docjay


Tue Sep 16 2014 5:02 pm EST

Im sure Dolan's band opened for the Eagles purely on merit. Glen Frey's a big fan! Thats some ego-maniacal shit right there.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:58 pm EST

Incidentally, I apologize in advance for posting that Dolan link. Really, don't watch the video. It's bad. It's bad enough having Dolan as an owner. No one needs him playing a kazoo solo in their head.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:53 pm EST

6-3. Did we pull the goalie with 8 mins left? Who cares? I want LA rematch, right now, tonight. See how theyd handle our new look. Not very well Id imagine, with Malone shishkabobbibg Quick's nuts haha

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:50 pm EST

Haggerty has opened some eyes at TC one would think. Can't have 2 Hags on one team

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:44 pm EST

Right TD. Now 5-3.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:43 pm EST

Check that. 4-3 Wild.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:42 pm EST

Haggerty scores to tie it, then sets up Duclair. 4-3 NYR.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:41 pm EST

Not sure who the TC kids have in net...probably SKAPSKI...but man, he must be having a bad game....5-3 Wild...and that Wild team outside of DUMBA is pretty pathetic.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:34 pm EST

And THIS is MAJOR understatement: http://gawker.com/knicks-owner-jim-dolans-band-didnt-get-any-better-over-1635460341?utm

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:33 pm EST

RABID - of course, it is what it is..Anybody on the top 6-8 forwards or top 2 pair can play like crap for 10 games and basically, they are not going to be replaced (POs would be another story)...Perhaps slid down a line or pairing, but that' it....It's the rest of the players that could take a seat here or there..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:09 pm EST

Injuries will present chances Hospo, but it depends who is having the slump. I can see St Louis going another 20 games without a goal & not missing a shift. Thats the kind of b.s., with Sam Joe making every excuse in the world for him, that makes me wanna kill somebody. Especially if a Haggerty is on fire in Htfd. That said, I got enough aggravation without inventing more. All in all, its a high class problem.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:34 pm EST

RABID - Exactly..There will be injuries..and slumps.....Get and have the kids ready..They will get their chance this year...And the rest will take care of itself based on performance..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:32 pm EST

Dont forget Lombardi & Malone arent exactly iron men. Best of both worlds right . Too many good kids & vets.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:30 pm EST

Hayes got one. 2-1 Wild.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:07 pm EST

TDCHI - Whaddya know...We actually agree on the issue....I have always had the mindset of that old wine commercial..we will serve no wine before it's time....All these kids could use some more time in the A to mature or get better..But when it's time you know it,,,,Hopefully with MiIller his attitude/mental approach finally matches his physical attributes and it is his time..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 2:46 pm EST

Hospo/Ranger47 - I don't for one minute believe that if a kid, like say BOURQUE came into camp, absolutely BLAZED and looked NHL-ready that they'd send him back down in favor of keeping someone like STEMPNIAK or LOMBARDI or any of the sub-millionaires they signed over the off-season. Camp is put-up or shut-up. I think the only signee that really has his spot carved in stone is BOYLE...all the rest are guys that could easily be waived or sent to the minors...as for the kids getting upset...upset about what? I'd be pissed if they signed a guy like Lombardi to a four-year $1.5 million contract...or Stemp...or Mueller...but the truth is, they're all guys who are getting paid at or around the league minimum..all with talent...and all who can/will be claimed by other teams if they're put on waivers...From what I can tell, the only guy who is more than ready to take the jump is MILLER...I've suggested HAYES too, but after TC, that's sort of a doubt in my mind now...HAGGERTY I'd say has an outside chance, just because of his age and the competition he was up against in the North East...and by virtue of the fact they didn't send him to Hartford when he signed...the rest are all guys who could use more seasoning...I didn't see anyone on the Pack outside of Miller last year who looked like they'd make a serious bid to make the team this fall...anyway...having one guy who I think is a sure-shot, two others with an outside chance and anyone among a dozen who could be dark horses...I don't think that's sending any sort of negative message...if anything, it'll make them hungrier.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 2:36 pm EST

Ranger47 - Don't agree.....Tough noogies omn the kids if they are not handed a spot when they were told, if they ever were...Means they just have to work harder to unseat players in front of them......If they sulk, pout of have problems, they are not the players you want.......As for Cap implications...I might agree but not if Sather could make signings like Malone, Stemp and Lombardi where it just might be 2 MILL per for all three.....I wouldn't get too worried, this might just ne a one year thang and maybe it's because the org though their prospects as a whole needed just a little more time....Everybody should be ready by some time this year and a pipeline re-established...makes sense to me

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 2:24 pm EST

Hospo: I understand that, but they've been telling the prospects that they'll be spots for them when they are ready. If I were them and was coming to camp under the current circumstances I'd be both a little disappointed and miffed. Moreover, for the Rangers to remain competitive in terms of the cap they need to arguably get at least 2 prospects on the big club each year. And, some of those prospects they have to decide whether to trade or promote them to avoid losing them because of no openings. My historical views of this suggest to me that there can be some players that need to be promoted to not go backwards - and some which could really help the team if given a real chance. I have the feeling that will not happen this year on this team. JMHO.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:45 pm EST

Ranger47 - Exactly,,and as it should be if you have good vets..which I think the Rangers do in Malone, Stemp and Lombardi....None of these kids are at the point where they can't benefit from time in the AHL..Just make sure they are ready for later in the season..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:43 pm EST

RF4L - It's Buch's coach....Look at the white helmets

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:38 pm EST

TD: I'm aware that the players now come into camp "in shape". But, doesn't such a shortened training camp hurt guys like Lindberg and other young prospects who will probably not get enough time to demonstrate they are ready to replace a vet? Granted, they can always shine in the AHL and get a later call up. But, IMHO it's gonna be VERY tough for prospects to unseat vets unless they can absolutely WOW management during practices or the preseason games. Just saying.....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:26 pm EST

Alex Nunn @aj_ranger Can't understate how good Buchnevich has been today. Two goals, one beauty, a team-high five shots and so dominant. Still 20+ to go. #NYR

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:23 pm EST

Thanks Gary....Noreau is one big boy. I suspect there's no chance he makes the big club out of camp no matter how well he plays, but sure hope he has a strong year for the Pack. If so McI had better step up his game this year.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:20 pm EST

Beautiful pass by the Malkin wannabe. And the coach looked equally miserable after that goal, too! LOL

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:17 pm EST

RF4L ... It was Noreau in the fight but I couldn't tell who had the missed hit

GaryRanger


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:17 pm EST

Just watched again - it's Buch's coach. LOL....my God what's he like when his team gets scored against like that (basically letting one guy control the play for so long and scoring)?

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:14 pm EST

Buch scores again on nifty 2-on-1 feed http://video.khl.ru/quotes/238145 kid's a player

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:04 pm EST

BTW, check out the sour faced coach shown after the goal is scored. LOLOL. Dunno if he's the opposition coach or not, but the expression is hilarious....

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:55 pm EST

Holy crap, what a goal. Buve did that all by himself, to the point where he had the puck on his stick for nearly 15 seconds and generated not just the chance he scored on, but a good one about 7 seconds in. What league is that? KHL??

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:43 pm EST

Buchnevich goal http://video.khl.ru/quotes/238109

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:43 pm EST

RF4L/ RABID -Even if HAGGERTY is near ready, I don't think he has a ghost of a chance.. I think the rangers with all their current depth will go the "more seasoning" route..I think the same will hold true for almost all the kids..except probably MILLER......Damn sure looking like HARTFORD will have a really strong roster up front at the beginning with the likes of Hayes, Haggerty, Fast, Lindberg, Borque, Kristo, Mueller and some others......Tarnasky and Kantor will have their hands full fighting for them..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:37 pm EST

Gawd I hate those highlights. No info on who's doing what except for the goals and a couple of saves. Who fought? Who was the Ranger blueliner who stepped up just outside the Cane line for a thundering hit and missed by a mile, setting up a 2 on 1? If that was Noreau, he'd better reign that in - getting beat that badly at a prospect camp isn't a good sign! lol.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:31 pm EST

RR: Re Haggerty's chances on making it - if I am getting your point, I concur wholeheartedly. I think the Rangers feel he needs time in the AHL, perhaps even all season (if not most of it). He was signed to produce offensive, however, and if scores through camp, including in pre-season games, at a decent pace, he could force himself in the starting top 9 forwards. It would be unexpected I suspect, but a nice problem to have. An interesting storyline to watch at least in the early going of camp.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:20 pm EST

That shot is why Haggerty is my darkhorse to unseat a depth wing, maybe Stempniak.Sounds unlikely .....until the puck starts going in.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:43 am EST

Haggerty has some shot....http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6587/traverse-city-rangers-hurricanes-highlights?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1410881526#.VBhaCPldVl0

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:38 am EST

BIZ NASTY with a PTO for the Blues....Good idea for a good team to have a goon around for insurance during the first half.....I guess the Rangers have......Nick Tarnasky? I've liked what Sather has done this off season but still would have liked a goon (GLASS will not be used like one by AV) brought in, at least for a look see..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:35 am EST

Ranger47 -If the Jackets would offer us Dubinsky or Rychel...hell even Anisimov back for NASH, I'd do it. Anything that would get his contract off the books would be good in my estimation...And if they offered JOHANSEN? They wouldn't even get the second syllable out of his name before I'd have Nash on a plane back to Columbus.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:31 am EST

RABID - If KId K learns how to finish along with the way the rest of his game is progressing...WATCH OUT..And if NASH can remember how to finish with the way he played late in the POs, he will be scary...Expecting HUGE years from both...

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:14 am EST

Hypothetically, would you consider swapping Nash for Johannsen? (Not that it would ever happen!).

Ranger47


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:03 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blue-jackets-gm-on-ryan-johansen-contract-talks-when-training-camp-starts-thats-it/

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:58 am EST

RF4L - Most here know my affinity for STEP and MILLER, but I wouldn't blink to trade both for JOHANSEN.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:46 am EST

The bigger the contract usually the more testy the negotiations get. Johhanson is going nowhere. Theyre angling for a long term deal where he gives up a few UFA years. But theyre not so stupid as to harm that relationship. Nice piece on Kreider in Salem News. He sounds RARIN' to go. Love how he talks about his missed breakaways in SCFs. Says the great players finish those. He knows what he has to do. Monster year on tap for him IMO, especially if he plays with Brass & Zuc.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:04 am EST

TD: Yep you're probably right, but something to muse on: Johansen's agent is the same guy who represents Kyle Turris and he pulled the same stunt on the Yotes with Turris, to the point where relations soured so badly, he was traded to the Senators. I realize Johansen's upside is considerably higher, but you never know. The Rangers could offer up a package like Stepan, Miller and Skeji and that might be enough to at least get the BJ's attention.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:56 am EST

RF4L - I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell the Jackets deal JOHANSEN. He's a franchise center on a team that's poised to go deep. He knows that and I suspect it's why he's playing hardball. He knows eventually they're going to have to pony up the money...I think he's asking for $7 million...and it's not like they don't have the space...in fact, one could argue that it'd be a good idea to ink the kid longterm instead of low-balling him...And if the Jackets are trying to say he's equivalent to STEPAN's situation, they're off their rockers.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:26 am EST

RF4L/York - I think you're both right...I mean, 0-3 with that roster? There's something more at work there than simple youth. NTM...some of those guys played TC last season..Sometimes you just don't get the right mix of players...Conversely, you have the Jackets, which aren't much different in age...but they've dominated the tourney.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:21 am EST

Haggerty goal... http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/hurricanes-3-rangers-2-ot.html

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:06 am EST

The Stepan deal is an example the BJs are citing as something Johansen's camp should be willing to accept.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:03 am EST

Things getting really nasty in Columbus with the Ryan Johanson contract war - BJ GM ramped up the discontent yesterday. Apparently, the sides are an incredible $3,000,000 apart per season on the deal. I don't for a second believe it'll come to it, but Sather needs to be first in line if Columbus decides to make this kid available. The biggest beef in Columbus is that Johansen had 2 underwhelming years to start his career, then blossomed last year and management is reluctant hand out a big reward so quickly.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:50 am EST

York: And I'm only surmising this, but I suspect Buffalo has a very young team (given all their high picks the past 2 years) and they are up against players that are 2 to 3 to even 5 or 6 years older is a lot tougher than some think.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:47 am EST

ranger47/TD: And things have changed over the past 10+ years in that players (well most) come to camp in great shape and in fact, that's actually expected so when someone reports to camp out of shape, it's frowned upon bigtime. In the past (way in the past) the first 2 weeks of camp was all about the players burning away the fat they accumulated after 3 to 4 months of drinking beer and smoking cigarettes. Not so anymore.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:29 am EST

TD the mistake you made with buff is you assumed talent equals wins but if these guys can't gel then they are nothing but high picks on the ice

York18


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:15 am EST

http://blueshirtsunited.com/photos/6584/rangers-vs-carolina-hurricanes-in-traverse-city-the-collection#.VBgbm5RdVTs

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:48 pm EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/wings/2014/09/15/daniel-alfredsson-setback-detroit-red-wings-danny-dekeyser-aaron-rome/15679163/

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:42 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/15/rangers-first-goal-dont-look-way-down-the-road/

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:04 pm EST

Matt Bodie Postgame: .... http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=630688

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:02 pm EST

Brandon Halverson Postgame...... http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=630688

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:30 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/15/new-york-rangers-daily-poll-91514/

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:07 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/heartbreak-henrik-lundqvist-sees-rangers-contenders-article-1.1940350

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 8:55 pm EST

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6581/lundqvist-i-think-we-are-contenders-again-this-season#.VBeYgZRdVTs

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 7:52 pm EST

Ranger47 - I think the key here is at least 15 of the 40-plus guys that are going to be in camp have been there since late August. Essentially the rest showed up after labor day, so figure informal practices have been going on for more than three weeks. And I don't think there's an NHLer/hopeful NHLer who wasn't training through most of August. I'm not surprised at all they've got a game right from the get-go. Helps weed out the few who didn't train much over the off-season.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 7:32 pm EST

Haggerty with a snipe to tie it 2-2. Sounds like he's been Rangers best st tourney pretty easily.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 15 2014 7:00 pm EST

I still do not get how the Rangers can have physicals on Thursday (9/18), and play their firs preseason game on Monday (9/22). You probably won't see the vets, but the "yutes" may not have been ingrained in the AV system (nor can you tell how good or bad they are if, presumably they'll be playing against the yutes of the Flyers as opposed to the vets). Seems like you need to have already made some serious assumptions/decisions beforehand on the team you'll field for opening day regardless of the preseason games. JMHO..

Ranger47


Mon Sep 15 2014 5:37 pm EST

So batting .500 in my TC predictions...Jackets kids go 3-0...Buffalo's kids go 0-3.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 4:05 pm EST

Hospo - Indeed. NOREAU is a righty too...I've been talking up the kid since his last season in the Q. He had a bit of a rough adjustment to the AHL and ended up in Greenville, where he had a solid season. Billed as a big, stay-at-home defenseman who can hit and likes to fight, he showed flashes of offense his last year in juniors. I liken him to a poor man's McIlrath. Good chance he'll make the Pack this year, even though that lineup is looking pretty damn crowded.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 2:56 pm EST

every SECOND...

Hospo


Mon Sep 15 2014 2:55 pm EST

McD will be a great choice....I don't put much stock in TRAVERSE City but I was bored so I read the tweets of somebody who has been there every "...... for me the biggest improvement among rangers prospects has been Noreau and Skapski. Real test will be in main camp" Isn't NOREAU a BIG defensive D-man? ZCould be competition for MCILRATH......and....."I think that Hayes will need to show more in the next two games, training camp and exhibition to make it. Safer route is 2 go AHL"....I like the way she thinks.........Still think MILLER--you know, because he's super focused and super serial now--will be the only kid that makes it...But, it's all up to camp

Hospo


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:42 am EST

Agree on McD as captain. I believe he's about the same age as Dave Maloney was when they made him captain....

Ranger47


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:55 am EST

I like MCD as Captain. He has the respect of the players, and because of his youth sets an example for our young guys who have made the squad, and those competing for a spot.. Good choice

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:21 am EST

Agree McD is the hands down choice for the C. Only worry is he's maybe just slightly too young, BUT, the guy's growth on & off-ice has been uncanny. He really seems to enjoy being a spokesman, in contrast to a guy like Cally who you could tell never loved that part of the assignment. I think we might even see a few surprising quotes come from McDonagh over time. You can tell already in how he talked about Malone, its a bit more expansive than the suits usually prefer. I don't love St Louis as an assistant, seems very deferential while a guy like Zuc is plainly IMO more ingrained and certainly will be here longer. Same time, Marty is a guy they all respect, and McD has flat out said he wants the C, so we could do far worse.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 15 2014 8:04 am EST

RR - If McDonagh is waxing on about MALONE, then I'd say that's a good sign he's here to stay. He's a no bs guy. Doubt he would offer that opinion if it weren't true.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 8:03 am EST

Pal17 - being captain is the LAST thing NASH needs on his plate. That guy needs to focus on one thing and one thing only, and that's getting back to wherever he was in his mind in 2008-2009, when he scored 40 goals and 79 points...really that's the only way he's going to earn the paycheck that he's making now...of course, I'd even take Rick Nash circa 2010-2011...I'd take any Rick Nash that can notch over 30 goals and 30 helpers in a season and then continue that pace in the playoffs...McDONAGH is the perfect captain in many ways. It's impossible not to respect the guy...If you play hockey, you respect a guy like McD because he does everything right...he skates hard, he plays hard...he leads by example. The guy isn't about platitudes and appeasing the media...they might not be psyched with the choice...but for the Rangers? This is perfect...and STAAL/MSL as his assistants sounds great too. Staal, IMO, should be given some leadership. We forget sometimes how important this guy is to the team and what he has persevered through to keep playing, even if it's still a half-step lower than he was at his peak. Great choices, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 6:41 am EST

Is there anybody out there?

NYStranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 7:42 pm EST

The rumor today is that AV will name McDonagh Captain at his first official press conference of the season, which is this Thursday, September the 18th. It's also been speculated that the alternates would be MSL and Marc Staal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 14 2014 7:37 pm EST

PAL17.... It's funny that you mentioned that. There were reports today the McDonagh could be named captain as early as this week. BTW. He's wanted it. From the first day he got here, he's been talking about taking on a bigger leadership role after every season. McDonagh had this to say, per the Daily News... “I think I've progressed into being a go-to guy, someone teammates can look up to and someone they can count on,” ..... “I think guys see I'm willing to do whatever it takes to win. … [Captain] is a big responsibility, too. It's not just about on the ice but how you carry yourself off of it and represent the organization.”

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 14 2014 6:59 pm EST

It sure would be big MF, to get thru a round or two without going to Defcon 5. Btw, McD was raving about how much Malone can help us; and hes been working out & skating with him for two months.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 6:13 pm EST

Nice to hear we're talking about the playoffs as if it's an expectation. Plenty of dark years for this franchise.. If AV keeps rolling four lines and allocating the TOI evenly, our boys should be as fresh as any other squad.. We seem to be deep enough to give guys a game off here & there to nurse borderline injuries along the way.. Lastly, it would be nice to advance in the playoffs without each round having to go the distance.....

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 4:18 pm EST

Shouldn't Nash have the burden of the C so me he might Man Up & earn is $ ? Don't get me wrong I love McMonster but does he need to deal with what being Captain is aboot? Maybe Dom Moore or MSL should be Captain?

Pal17


Sun Sep 14 2014 4:15 pm EST

Was McDonagh Named Captain yet ?

Pal17


Sun Sep 14 2014 1:31 pm EST

Sure Hospo, I remember all that craziness in preseason. Flyers especially used it to inflict & intimidate in anticipation of the season. They also seemed to relish any fines or suspensions were less in preseason, so it was even worse! Im glad its shorter. Anything that makes the playoffs come quicker, with less wear & tear, the better imo.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 12:11 pm EST

Hey, lets not forget that Deepee backstopped the US national team to a 2006 Olympics 8th place finish!

Messier11


Sun Sep 14 2014 11:41 am EST

mf - I totally don't remember that fight, but man, does it ever harken to how much of a moron Rick DiPIETRO is/was...Man, if I'm a coach or GM and I see my first-overall pick...my franchise goaltender...even skating near a scrum like that in pre-season, I'd bench him for two weeks. DeePee, already broken beyond repair, ended up essentially ending his career five years later after the Penguins' backup goalie tuned him up in a fist-fight...Isles could'a walked away from that draft with Heatley or Gaborik...instead, they got a decade of frustration.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 11:07 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TlHfYuMjUk

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 11:05 am EST

TD, thanks for the link. Looks like a rolled up racing form from Roosevelt Raceway.. Anyway, nice to see two RHS RW in Haggerty & McCarthy in the pipeline, and I was equally impressed with the feed on that gwg as I was the goal itself... Love those set-ups.....

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:56 am EST

RABID - Thanks..I remember when camp use be a month long...filled with internal fights and then huge Donnybrooks with the Flyers, Bruins and Isles.....! The good old days...Luckily for the Rangers with basically two tough guys in the entire organization--Glass and Mcilrath (if ever healthy--that those things don't happen much anymore)

Hospo


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:53 am EST

Hospo, this is not some favorite cheese game-show. This is serious business.

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:39 am EST

mf - 70 is McCarthy. Got the primary assist on the goal. Here's last night's lineup card: https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/510903580149444609/photo/1

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:36 am EST

RR - Don't get me wrong...not saying it's not a slap. Just suggesting a reason. I do recall them putting together longer clips of the action last year. And the clips they have this year appear to originate in part from video taken from cell phones...I did read folks complaining over the lack of cell reception at the rink...still no excuse. Wouldn't cost them squat to show this tourney online.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:33 am EST

Physicals are Thursday, I believe. On TV a week from tomorrow, Monday night vs.Philly on MSG.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:32 am EST

On the prospects themselves...From all reports SKAPSKI had an incredible game. That's a promising sign. Kid really came on last winter and I think he's starting in Hartford this fall. Could be a good sign of things to come...I talked up NOREAU last season and it sounds like he's another having a good tourney. He's a big righty with a chip on his shoulder...Not sure if anyone mentioned it here, but McCARTHY is wearing the 'C'...Noreau and KANTOR with the 'A'...The latter is a guy who, if his offensive game could pick up a bit, would be a nice addition...And with a dearth of highlights to look at, here are some interesting stats...An impressive seven shots for Josh NICHOLLS, who was Leafs' draftee who racked up some good points in the WHL, but, like Noreau, couldn't hang with the Pack and played the whole season in Greenville...More zeros for HAYES, but had four shots. Think it was Treiff who Tweeted out she finally saw the player teams were getting in a bidding war over...Five shots a piece for HAGGERTY and TAMBELLINI, who had the GWG on a nice feed from the captain.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Damn, enough with this Traverse crap, when the hell does the Real camp and the battle for the last 4 slots start?

Hospo


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:21 am EST

There's action TD, theyre just not showing it. Nichols had 7 SOG, Haggerty 5, etc. Last year they were building 10-15 minute highlight packages, not just goals but segments of the games. Why they have to start the year slapping fans in the face is beyond me.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:15 am EST

Nice set-up by #70 for the gwg on the instagram Rhet posted.. A RHS who made the pass from the right circle... Anyone know who this masked man (#70) is?

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:07 am EST

RF4L/RR - I think the lack of video "highlights" might be indicative of a lack of highlights. Man...NOREAU'S goal...that's something I haven't even seen in beer league hockey anytime recently...And gotta say, I'm pretty surprised by how easily the Sabres kids are knuckling under. I had them picked for either first or second in the tourney...not really much to write home about...kind of a strange tournament altogether. A lot of older kids in it this year...some guy named Ryan Walters is leading the scoring right now...unsigned 23-year-old on a tryout with the Wild, has eight points in three games.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 8:35 am EST

That highlight package is absolutely lame. Offers up 3 names, this despite several good breakouts and scoring attempts by the Rangers. Geeesh....

RF4L


Sun Sep 14 2014 8:26 am EST

Highlights posted from last night vs.Buffalo, about 2 mins worth.looked like Noreau scored from his own blue line. What a waste. Can't tell anymore about our prospects than last week.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 7:27 am EST

That is pretty standard for any player that is traded. The usual rule of thumb is as follows..... If a player has a full NMC, it travels with him even if he waives it to be traded. However, if the player is traded before his NMC takes effect, it automatically vaporizes unless — in rare circumstances — the acquiring club agrees in writing to be bound by it.... An NTC does not travel with a player if a) the player waives a full NTC or b) the player is traded within the terms of a limited or modified NTC. In addition, if the player is traded before his NTC takes effect, it vaporizes unless — in rare circumstances — the acquiring club agrees in writing to be bound by it..... .....Knowing Sather, he agreed to let Nash keep it. Quite frankly, I don't know why any fan sweats over either of these clauses. If a team wants to trade a player, he will get traded. No one likes to be where they're not wanted.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:58 pm EST

according to capgeek, Nash NTC may have been nullified by previous waiver

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:24 pm EST

UFA/RFAs: Thanks for posting your thoughts... I wonder how SATHER can unload NASH whom has a NMC and untradeable contract... so bizzare he sucks so bad..never saw that coming...

schneidw


Sat Sep 13 2014 9:16 pm EST

Per Leslie Treff..... “Haggerty has been very good in both games. Good acceleration and drive to the net”

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 9:06 pm EST

Game Winner.... http://instagram.com/p/s6H-63vdGs/

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:34 pm EST

Treff.... Tambellini w winner Leslie Treff ... · 1m On 2 on 2 break Rangers win.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:32 pm EST

Leslie Treff.... Hayes Haggerty Bodie. Now Walcott latta Duclair

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:30 pm EST

Leslie Treff .... · 12s About to go 3 on 3.... Leslie Treff.... · 52s And the next 3 minutes too.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:28 pm EST

Leslie Treff.... · 41s Most of the first minute was in rangers end.... Leslie Treff.... · 9m And we go to OT what a surprise. I really think Duclair had the winner though.... Leslie Treff....· 10m Last minute Sabres swarming.... Leslie Treff.... · 14m Duclair w great chance put it off inside of net.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:04 pm EST

isn't the shootout pretty popular

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 7:59 pm EST

Traverse City fans got to see the FUTURE of NHL OVERTIME Friday night: a dry scrape followed by four minutes of 4 on 4 hockey, then three minutes of 3 on 3. "“It should help eliminate the shootout,”" said Schoenfeld during the end of regulation break.

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 7:59 pm EST

Noreau. 1-1.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 7:48 pm EST

Not sure if this was posted yesterday, however some fun background info on our kids.....http://hockeythisweek.com/live-from-traverse-city-ncaa-stars-bolster-rangers-prospects/#.VBTlIJRdVTs

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 6:43 pm EST

1-0 Sabres.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 5:32 pm EST

Rhet, good stuff, thanx

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 5:31 pm EST

schneidw: for next year there are 6 of 12 forward positions and 2 defensive positions and a backup goaltender needing to be signed.. The available Cap Space is 23 & 7/8ths millions AKA: $23,875,000 ..... Shall we estimate some values? Sure.. Zucc, Stepan, Staal $6mill apiece (maybe you get the 3 for $17.5 mill).. Hagelin $4mill, MSL $3mill, Stempniak or equivalent $1mill. & JT Miller or equivalent $1mill, John Moore $2mill, Cam Talbot $2mill brings us to $31mill so we're shy $7.125 mill aka 7 1/8th millions......... With this year's Cap being set at a lower limit than many "inside the league" projected, and the signing of the Rogers communication deal, let's guestimate that the cap increases by $3million to $72,000,000 million. We're still shy $4,125,000...... So, IMO, Sather must sign the collective group for less than $31mill and someones got to go..... IMO, NASH with a $7.8mill price-tag has the #1 trade target on his back, however, trading NASH open a hole on the top 3-6....... Slow hockey day, can we talk about food again?

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 5:25 pm EST

A guy I know has been going to the Traverse City Tournament for years. He's usually pretty even keeled on his assessments. He said that yes, Kevin Hayes needs to show more to make the team but there were a lot of positives last night. Hayes at center looks good, some slick passes and he seems like a playmaker, Hayes was playing with a lot of confidence..... Hayes has had some sweet passes, seems really aware. He also said this whole team looks better than recent editions from the Rangers. Leslie Treff said that Hayes was showing lots of poise on the PK. She also MENTIONED that he and Bodie were looking good together on the PP. Treff said that it's only the first game but Hayes will have to show a lot more for folks to judge him NHL ready. It's only one game, but Hayes could be running on all cylinders by the time he get's to Rangers camp. We shall see.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:25 pm EST

Tootoo and Feds not bad depth pickups.

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:24 pm EST

Probably Scott Clemmenson, but still Thomas, Bulin, and Bryz out there looking for work

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:14 pm EST

From the NY Daily Snooze: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/leonard-signs-point-ryan-mcdonagh-rangers-captain-article-1.1938602

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:11 pm EST

NJ: doesn't seem they have a backup goaltender, nor do I care...

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:05 pm EST

Fedotenko PTO, Devs.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 1:50 pm EST

Tootoo PTO w.Devs. Lou Lam scraping to bottom of the barrel. I can remember vividly when he was a genius and Sather a fool.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 1:23 pm EST

Now one scout saying Hayes looked dominant at center per Strang.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 1:00 pm EST

schneidw - I think your magic bullet is NASH. Unless he produces, he's going to be gone. He might be gone even if he does produce. I just can't see a way they'll justify paying his salary.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 12:15 pm EST

cap could go up, Nash could get moved. MSL may sign for less to stay/finish

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:43 am EST

SALARY CAP QUESTION: When I check out the NYR roster on CapGEEK... can somebody please ask me how the NYRs can sign all their UFAs/RFAs next summer? Hagelin/Stepan will be getting big raises... there is not enough $$$ to resign Staal, Zuccarello and St Louis...it appears to me that this is the last season for St Louis no matter what...he will be impossible to resign... Am I right??

schneidw


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:13 am EST

1:36 worth, cant see shit. Haggerty's goal looked pretty sweet but that's about all I can see from IPad.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:00 am EST

Highlights are up at BlueshirtsU if anybody's interested.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 10:41 am EST

Big hurry by the Rangers to get those highlights out to us. The link TD posted are from Dallas' side. Whatever. Forgot how hard it is to watch too. Can't tell who's who without going back to the roster & checking numbers. By the time you get the hang of it, the tourneys over.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:49 am EST

Sounds like HAGGERTY, NOREAU and BODIE had good games...the rest of the team? Meh... Heard HALVERSON was a sieve...disappointing loss to a pretty weak Stars team...But FWIW, Buffalo, which I personally picked as one of the strongest teams, got absolutely decimated by the Canes' kids.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:41 am EST

On HAYES: -2 with 2 shots on net. Word around the horn is he looks like he needs some work in the A. I say the kid is playing center, which he hasn't done in a while...give him some time...but the acquisition of MALONE coupled with a weak prospects camp could certainly land him in Hartford...especially if they ultimately see him as a center.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:37 am EST

Tournament video. Good luck following along with the action though...definitely not MSG feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeNwfYGNkh8&feature=youtube_gdata

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:36 am EST

Hahah York. Yeah I remember you saying "I told you guys he was going to do something you'd all like"...not exactly you bashing the deal...but whatever. I won't split hairs. Yeah, everyone here liked the deal. I stand by that statement. RF4L may have had some reservations about the picks getting moved, but I don't even recall him being that irked.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 12:26 am EST

Almost 1:30 and no highlights posted; safe to say tomorrow, but didn't sound like there was much to see. Except there was, undoubtedly. The brass was evaluating these kids, seeing who stepped up and who didn't. No way of knowing now except the few tidbits that were tweeted.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:38 pm EST

RF4L.... Harbinger of things to come? These are our prospects, who cares how many of these games they lose? I'm more interested in the development of some of our individual prospects during the tournament.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:32 pm EST

3 1 and lose? To a team with lesser talent than the Rangers (allegedly)? Mmmmmm.....harbinger of things to come?? Nahhhhhhh....

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:38 pm EST

4-3 Stars.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:28 pm EST

Stars tie it. OT.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:18 pm EST

And spparently Halverston handles the puck like a grenade. Sounds like DuClair is dangerous out there. 3-2.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:15 pm EST

Treff says only 1st game but Hayes will have to show folks a lot more to be considered NHL ready.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:10 pm EST

TD all of us? I remember a number of people not being happy about clowe amd the picks rf4l being one of them as well as myself you liked the deal don't throw everyone with you.

York18


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:27 pm EST

Clowe was a bad deal. One of Sather's worst, recently. If he'd done his homework (much like with Arnott) we could have avoided that whole mess. These things aren't secrets. Players don't devolve past game-shape overnight

Messier11


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:25 pm EST

Nedjez-whatever, 3-1 NYR. PP.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 6:58 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=730054&navid=M_DL%7CNHL%7Chome

stevielegs


Fri Sep 12 2014 6:57 pm EST

I seem to remember all of us were doing the happy dance when CLOWE got here...just thrilled that it 'only' cost us picks...but in truth, the writing was on the wall. His 0-for-28 start wasn't an aberration. It was a sign of his melon. Was definitely a bad deal that could have been a whole hell of a lot worse if Sather signed him to some ridiculous deal.

tdchi


Fri Sep 12 2014 6:33 pm EST

2-1 NYR. Haggerty, Kanyor with goals.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 5:56 pm EST

Probably a better chance you can find a stream to Dolan's band live than the Traverse Tourny!

NYStranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 5:54 pm EST

RR: it could have been worse with Clowe. Sather could have signed him to the same kind of deal the Debbies did. At least he he realized what was up and walked away. It was IMO typical NYR with the one big physical forward we desperately need gets hurt or totally looses it 5 games into his Rangers carer! Seems to happen somehow all the friggin time. Just gotta laugh and shrug and shake your head.

NYStranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 4:51 pm EST

Ryane Clowe not cleared to play apparently. Theres a guy that should pack it in, unless he wants to end up like Junior Seau. Thats a deal I cant totally kill Sather for. Clowe could at least pass his baseline test back then. So we gave up a few picks, whoopdie-doo. I do think SJ & Doug Wilson held out on us a bit, but if the docs say a guy is good to go, gotta trust them. Same time, it was one rap on the head & Close was out as I remember it. Anyway, if this guy cant pass after a long summer, pretty much toast Id think.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 4:23 pm EST

TRAV CITY TOURN - For all you prospect hounds, Leslie Tref (HF NYR Prospect writer) is covering the tournament like usual and will be tweeting during games at https://twitter.com/HFNYRangers..and I'm sure will mention a streaming site if she knows........Also, she came out with het Ranger Top 20 prospect list a few weeks ago at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/111875/new-faces-populate-new-york-rangers-2014-fall-top-20/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-faces-populate-new-york-rangers-2014-fall-top-20

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 2:59 pm EST

LEO - Mizithra? never heard of it..Sounds like one of Godzilla's nemesis! Looked it up though, sounds excellent..Gotta give it a try!

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 2:30 pm EST

Dolan's band opening for the Eagles tmrw @ MSG. They must be really good LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 2:27 pm EST

Mizithra. Nothing better grated on pasta IMO. I'm always late to the dance.

LeoS


Fri Sep 12 2014 1:05 pm EST

http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2014/09/12/its-hockey-season-traverse-city-prospects-tournament-starts-today/15497957/

mf


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:32 pm EST

Sabres did radio only last year & again this year from all I can find. Happy to be proven wrong, or if someone finds a rogue link please post it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:12 pm EST

mf - I can't find anything on it. Last year, the Sabres televised their games through the Sabres site...Doubt the Stars are, given their craptacular team. Might be a rogue broadcast out there, but kind of doubt it. Again, shame on MSG for not sending a couple interns a camera and a WiFi connection out there to stream this. Would'a cost them PENNIES.

tdchi


Fri Sep 12 2014 11:57 am EST

For the record, the only reason I mentioned Gaborik was because of his connection to Boogaard with the Wild. Never meant to imply he did anything wrong. There are at least 27 other Rangers on the 2011-2012 team that could have made the reference. And telling someone where to get drugs isn't exactly a crime. Doesn't even mean you get them yourself. Anyway, this whole subject irks me for the reasons I mentioned below. A powerful narcotic is just that...whether prescribed or not. Apparently, though, the free flow of pills has been clamped down pretty significantly. Or at least here in NY. That's one of the leading reasons heroin has again reared its ugly head.

tdchi


Fri Sep 12 2014 11:35 am EST

ANY "NEW" news on where & how to view tonights game ? .... thank you.... a little fabric softener may reduce the irritability

mf


Fri Sep 12 2014 11:05 am EST

Traverse lines; Negezcheb-Hayes-Haggerty; DuClair-Tambellini-Nichols. News there is seeing how Hayes looks at @center. HOSPO, we say upstate but you makr it sound like 'inside' LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:52 am EST

RABID - Nah, born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens and "upstate"..but FLA and VA for the last 30....

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:32 am EST

The south Hospo? Thought you were in, IDK, Brooklyn....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:13 am EST

RABID and JFC --Got my mouth watering with those tasty descriptions...Unfortunately,hard to find a good Italian Deli here in the South..Hell, even finding Locatell is a bitch sometimes!!!. That's the thing I miss most about New York!

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:09 am EST

Malone wearing No. 24.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:09 am EST

Oh oh, looks like someone is cheesed off!!!!

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:04 am EST

Lol Mess. You're right. As I've made some cracks in the past about charity posts and the like, I do believe I've been hypocritical. Here's something Ranger-related that came to me yesterday, but its intentionally vague. We weren't the only ones speculating on the Booegard situation, but I heard it wasn't Gabby involved but another now ex-NYR. and I'd have to say in retrospect, with some of the things that transpired , it makes perfect sense.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:50 am EST

Say, I hear the off topic wall is a great place to exchange recipes!

Messier11


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:29 am EST

Any suggestions on the best links to view tonights Ranger kids?...... For all you gindalunes & wannabees, The Feast of San Gennaro has begun and partaking in Little Italy in NYC. Getting hungry boys? Rabbit, no Olives ?

mf


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:52 am EST

DuClair says he added 10 'good' lbs. Man I tried a piece of sharp white cheddar yesterday, out of this world! Mozzarella, prosciutto peppers oul & vinegar on good bread - and a cold one, or two or three. Thatll be me sometime tonight, slobbering over my computer watching Traverse highlights. You guys are gettin me hungry!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:39 am EST

Sharp, aged cheddar over here. Please and thank you.

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:38 am EST

Im a fresh mozzarella person. So versatile. Great on pizza. Or with a tomato and a little EVOO or add a piece of bread and some basil. MMMMM sorry if I'm late on the subject. Have a good weekend boys

KIS


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:24 am EST

A decent overview of the Traverse City tourney on Hockey Future's site; http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/112079/2014-traverse-city-tournament-preview-host-red-wings-look-defend-2013-prospects-title/ Some interesting notes: The Canes lineup includes a favourite on here from last year: Sergei Tolchinsky. I think TD already mentioned it, but in terms of high end draft picks, the Sabres and BJs are leading the pack. No coincidence seeing as both clubs traded for extra picks in the past few drafts.

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:53 am EST

Havent been able to say this since the finals ended. Game tonight! Sure its only the baby Rangers, but the shit matters. Let's see what Haggerty does, what Kevin Hayes does. A big tourney from some of these kids could grant them an extended look in camp. ESPN's Katie Strange will be blogging & tweeting from Traverse. Cheese; there's a direct link between the 27 lbs more we eat annually and obesity, the record number of bypasses and stents and clogged arteries. The answer? "Paulie! More wine!" It sandblasts your viens.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:37 am EST

Always love some of the occassional small talk that we get here on The Wall! Now, I've learned about the origin of Jeser Fast's name (cool) and any discussion about cheese is always a good one. Agree with Hospo about pecorino romano....especially grated for pasta...the sheep's milk gives it a completely unique taste. As for straight-to-the-mouth cheese, nothing better than grana padana or parmeggiano reggiano....or for a non-Italian cheese, manchego (Spain....also sheep's milk). Now I'm hungry!!

JFC31


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:25 am EST

On the jersey

Ola


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:24 am EST

Rabid- Apparantly it was always without the H in the registers. Fast in Swedish means "firm" or non liquid or whatever, there was a time though many liked to add a H at the end to have a name with meaning sound more like a name. Anyway, I think it was silly to dump the H if nothing else.

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 11:20 pm EST

Well, if we're soon' grating cheeses, not argument on Locatelli. But the sliced cheese & cracker cheeses ( the kind that go with pepperoni & soppressatta )man, they're coming out fast & furious, huge sections full in stores. Still tough to beat a good, sharp provolone. Quick cheese stat; Americans in the 1950's ate 3 lbs of cheese per year. Now its 30!! I don't see Corsi & Fenwick telling you that!!! Speaking of sharp, if this team adds an ultra-sharp two-way center like Lindberg (as opposed to the incredible dullness of a Brad Richards) it can help all these pieces fit and transform this team.I'd say the same if Miller wins the 3C, it will be a fresh new, exciting look.The extra jump from either will be very noticeable IMO. And now with Malone, this will be 4 very solid lines, very versatile, a very solid D, and very solid goaltending. With a better PP, we're damn near dangerous.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:54 pm EST

MF -Pecorinio Romano, the best cheese on God's green earth! But it has to be Locatelli!!!......RABID - Just playin with ya...But, I also don't think Lindberger (hey Mo!) has a shot at the beginning of the season....SCHNEIDW - Don't think Pouliott was all that Fast.If Malone can skate like he did two years ago, he is more than fast enough...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:45 pm EST

Rabbit, Pecorino Romano is gonna have to turn a lot of heads to make the squad........

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:45 pm EST

J Moore: He has shown very impressive skill and had a solid playoff, especially with a quick first outlet pass... He also exhibited some more aggressiveness and good positioning.... HOWEVER, at some point the potential has to translate into offensive production and I thought we sucked at times and was useless when given power play time... he shot is limp and inaccurate and he did not execute well at all on setting up plays... I think NYRs are concerned that he may not develop enough to keep around after this year... hence the 1 year contract... I like the kid and he just turned 23YO which is the age of several key NY prospects... so there is time. BUT he needs to add offense...I would like to see him join the rush more often...

schneidw


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:39 pm EST

MALONE- LIke the concept of Malone but think the 35YO version is not close to the prime player... hope I am wrong...He can help the second power play unit but I think he belongs on the 4th line... Coach V liked speed on the LW to initiate the forecheck... I am concerned Malone will be a step slow....

schneidw


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:27 pm EST

Lindberg dammit Hospo. If you can list the Cosmetic Queen Jesper Fast (h - until he actually petitioned a court to delete the h so he'd sound cool; how incredibly gay) I can keep hollering Lindberger, who is twice the player (though he faces stiff competition for the 3C).

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:13 pm EST

JFC - I think we all feel the same about Malone..Persoanlly, I think SATHER had had good off-season fighting the cap situation and making some good vet signings..The team is to a point where a good vet and ready kid can be on the bench or in the minors..Say for example Nash-Step-Kid K; MZA-Brass-Malone; Hags-Miller/Lomb (my choice)-St. Louis.; Glass-Moore-Miller (my choice)/Lomb/Stemp..and with kis like Fast an Hayes chomping at the bit....Maybe there will be a trade..Or they stay patient and have the depth for injuries that will happen...Good situation all around

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:59 pm EST

Thats ok York. Pretty sure Im thinking of Bob Errey.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:51 pm EST

I like the pick-up of Malone....really a no-lose situation for the Rangers. He's got all the ingredients of a big, bruising forward we've been lacking for quite a while. I agree with Yprk....if this guy has his shit together and is motivated, he'll replace Poo with no problem. Honestly, Poo surprised me with how well he did, but he really wasn't all that....it was just the surprise and the chemistry with a Brass-Zucc...the stats? Meh. I'm guessing Malone will get a taste on the right side of Zucc-Brass in camp to see of it works. Really looking forward to,this preseason....last one was a bit chaotic and we weren't ready for the season. This year, I think we'll come out strong.

JFC31


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:46 pm EST

Rabid truth is I don't even remember him in pitt. I do barely remember him in.hartford. the only reason being that team was stacked and still sucked and choked and that was his final season on the team

York18


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:36 pm EST

I can't say malone was on my radar the last couple years. I remember the huge contract he signed with tampa and thought at that time wish we could have gotten him but for less money. This is the player fans have begged for a guy who can score and has a nasty streak. If he finds his game he's our lucic. He is motivated and that's a player I want on this team. Malone will have people saying pouliote who?..........Rabid malones dad was a former nhl player

York18


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:25 pm EST

getting very excited about the upcoming season. so many possibilities but that only means good things will happen. Another thing that is awesome is that the Flyers farm team opens their new complex in allentown PA. very close to where Pa/ez and I live. gonna go see the wolfpack the first month of the season. Unfortunately the dumb fuck of my relative Pa wont be making it to the game because he will be imitating the rolling stones. The old fuck has a gig that night and wont make the hockey game. What an ass. I'll tell you boys all abut the game. Taking my son and daughter.

KIS


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:12 pm EST

Greg Malone?. Very vaguely remember a different Malone in Pitt, maybe before Mario even, the Larouche days. Did he wear one of those stupid white neckbraces guys used to use? Most of my memories from then are faded pretty bad LOL. I do remember Jimmy Rutherford in net (Detroit?). Now hes an old gm ha. Luit was one of the new breed. Now hes Malones agent.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 6:58 pm EST

I can't say malone was on my radar the last couple years. I remember the huge contract he signed with tampa and thought at that time wish we could have gotten him but for less money. This is the player fans have begged for a guy who can score and has a nasty streak. If he finds his game he's our lucic. He is motivated and that's a player I want on this team. Malone will have people saying pouliote who?..........Rabid malones dad was a former nhl player

York18


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:45 pm EST

And I forgot Hags on that left side, which is why I dont see St Louis except 3rd line RW. And thatd put Malone with Step-Nash or Brass-Zuc.unless Hagelin goes into the Top 6 and Malone backs up. Malone-Lindberg-St Louis dounds interesting to me, but Im the only one im pretty sure.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:37 pm EST

NHL announces rules changes for 2014-15 season..... http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=730215&cmpid=rss-News

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:15 pm EST

On Malone signing, couldnt be happier. Funny thing is I've batted this around with friends for 3-4 years, the notion of acquiring him. I always felt Sather had an eye on him because mean 6-4 guys that can score are so rare.my Friends thought he was too old, too injury-prone, and this was before he got pinched. But in reading some background stuff, you find out this guy is a rink rat, his dad worked for the Pens as an equipment man or something, IDK. Then you see Malone say he was working out for two months before McDonagh & Step, how contrite he is, fearful even, its a sharp bit of bargain hunting by Esther IMO. Everyone saw a drug bust and a guy fading, with just 11 goals his last 82 games.Sather saw an opportunity to grab SOMEONE, if a Lucic is running around like he owns the rink, to bust him in the chops. And that Malone will do cause he's nasty prick when he wants to be. Nor do I think this by is slated for 4th line minutes. He's in the top 9 right off IMO, probably top 6 if all goes well. Playing with our playmakers, I also don't see how he doesn't regain some of his scoring touch. Now if AV tries to move Nash to LW (which I'm totally against) in order to get MSL into the top 6, well the good news is our left side is positively HUGE, with Kreider, Nash, Malone, and Glass. That'd offset the midgets we have on the right LOL.Who knows, a million line combos likely in our future. But I'm glad they locked this guy in. We needed some toughness top 9, we needed a pointman, now all we need is kid or two to show theyre ready, add more young legs'and push the vets. This team can be better than last year.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 4:02 pm EST

Fontenella. Or Manchego.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 3:31 pm EST

No...Roquefort....

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 3:01 pm EST

Lindberg.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:54 pm EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24705397/ryan-malone-gets-second-chance-agrees-to-terms-with-rangers

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:46 pm EST

Hospo, you got me good before, touchee'.. :-) ... As for our lineup, I'm stoked! We have a nice mix of Vets, Kids, & youngins coming into their prime... The list is impressive & offers the coaches lots of looks to throw at the opposition, combo's, and patchwork in case of injuries :G: Lundquist/Talbot,6 D: MCD,Girardi, Staal, D.Boyle, Klein,JMoore,14 Forwards: Glass, DMoore, JTMiller, K.Hayes, R.Malone, Lombardi, Stempniak, Hagelin, Brassard, Zucc, MSL, Kreider, Stepan, Nash...... and this doesn't account for any kids having a stellar camp......... OAN, only 2 RHS forwards though... I don't recall much dialogue here about how a defense may or must adjust when playing against lines with 2 or 3 RHS forwards are on it, OR, what the optimal combination of RHS & LHS on a given line would be.... If any of you Hockey Lords cared to chime in on this, there's got to be more than one clueless jackass (me) that may find it insightful.... Thanx

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:31 pm EST

I hadn't realized how consistent MALONE was between 2005 and 2011....But, Like LOMBARDI he is also coming back from a few down NHL years..If we hit on one or both of these players, it will make the Rangers a more complete and very dangerous team,I'm up for it..

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:05 pm EST

No other way to look at the MALONE signing than that it's good. If he sucks wind in camp, he's bolsters Hartford. If he can get back to where he was three years ago, we've got EXACTLY the player the Rangers have lacked for so many years.

tdchi


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:02 pm EST

MF - I don't keep up on those things but didn't HAYES sign a 900K-1 mill one-way contract also...,,MALONE if he has his shit together could defiantly be a good add on the 3rd or 4th line...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:55 pm EST

Very Happy Day! The MALONE signing is making me smile. NY Ranngers just added Size, Toughness, and a very Hungry, Desperate Player. Today is a Good Day!! :-)

hipcheck


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:44 pm EST

Jimmy The Cap-Geek showin $482,000 of Cap Space... Kosta, Hunwick, & Mueller sent down frees up $1,850,000 = $2,332,200... then subtract the $89,167 which is the cost to promote JT Miller and send down Fasth, and your Net Cap Room is $2,243,033..... Plenty of money to sign Malone & trade enough away to Ottawa where we can carry $3.1mill of Bobby Ryans salary & the Senators only have to eat $2mill for this season... As Flip Wilson would say, "here come's the Cup!"

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:36 pm EST

Hartford will be good this year:-)

puckyou


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:36 pm EST

http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:34 pm EST

Shorely you see plenty of trade fodder for , Bobby Ryan.. ;-)

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:34 pm EST

Cap sitiuation: http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/read-where-things-stand-now-that-ryan-malone-has-signed/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:30 pm EST

Gonna be some camp..Probably alot of quick cuts and then let the real candidates battle....The way I see it..8 guys for 4 spots ---1C and 1LW on the top 3 lines, 1W on a 4th line and 1 Black Ace (Yes, this is giving a spot to GLASS and his contract),,,Every day and night, MILLER, FAST, HAYES, LINDBERG,LOMBARDI,MALONE, STEMP, maybe BUELLER will be fighting for their spot...Everybody else should be sent down before any pre-season games....I'm going with the three vets and MIller as the winners..

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 12:32 pm EST

Rangers sign Malone. 2-way, 700k

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 11:15 am EST

I still might, and quit calling me Shorely!

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 11:02 am EST

Shorely, I figured you were gonna strike me. ;-) ...........

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:58 am EST

MF - You know, I contemplated the striked/struck choice for over 5 minutes before hitting SPRAY!!! Oh well, wrong again...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:56 am EST

AV sighting: he & staff watching prospects before they leave for Traverse. We're getting close. Tourney game tmrw. Camp opens next week (Thurs?). First televised preseason game following Monday. That was always traditional start for me, the first time we get to see them. A week & four days.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:55 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2014/09/11/9-11-new-york-rangers/15437845/

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:39 am EST

Most of the time the past participle of “strike” is “struck.

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:23 am EST

And glad to see MOORE signed....Rangers have themselves a pretty decente top 6 that should be even better this year with Staal fully recovered and Klein with a year ubnder his belt in NY..I still think we can see better from him......Hopefully, Mcilrath is banging at the door and can provide the insurance and physical presence that will be needed at some point..Not so certain about Hunwick, ........and Kampher and Kostka,,Hell, even their names sound like they would be bad.:) (My man Dave Krapa!)...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:05 am EST

RHET - you keep comparing GLASS to Boogaard and Rupp..To me, that makes zero sense, but, have at it..RUPP and BOOgaard (when we had them) were pylons who couldn't skate, could barely lay a hit except by accident...And you compare that to the the guy who baiscially lead the the NHL in hits for a forward? Played 13 mins and had defensive/PK responsibilities?..As for gauging him on what he did in Vancouver, good idea, and I guess that's why the Rangers signed him despite the outcry from us genuises on the net...As for the Blueshirt rag, I said he made some points..but they were already made in similar articles by the site..

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:53 am EST

I don't think any pros care as much about their tax rate as do some on this board.

Messier11


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:39 am EST

I like that Sather made Moore signing his qualifying offer. Piss him off a bit, focus him, he needs it. Kid has been ok defensively, ok showing some edge, and we all know he can skate. But what's he gonna do with the puck? If he takes that leap, starts putting up real points, then he's a player. If not, he's just another 3rd pairing guy IMWO.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:31 am EST

Rhet: I think it was you that mentioned the Rangers made a mistake with getting Moore for just a year. Perhaps Moore and his agent were trying to get like 5 years at 2.5 per, with a NMC knowing that if they couldn't they would have ARB eligibility next season and are betting he is better this year than last. Its a risk, but agents and players have been known to play like that. If that is the case (and we will probably never know) that the Rangers made the right move. If not I agree, seems like a poor decision.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:29 am EST

Rhet- Hehe, but like imagine if you are a kid today. Kovalev played for the Soviet Union and Dynamo Moscow when they were still a powerhouse, he was the first Russian to win the Cup, he has played in like 7 OGs, CCs and World Cups, he has scored a ton of goals and pts and played a ton of games in the NHL, and so forth. I get your point, he is no Gretzky II, but he has been around a while. It must be pretty cool for the kids to be around him in these informal skates.

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:17 am EST

and I forgot to mention the most important part, which you alluded to Hospo. The Rangers were trying to recoup some of what they lost in Brian Boyle by signing Glass, the hits especially, the PKing, and the shot-blocks. That he throws down and can SKATE and fits with what AV wants, and is a player he's familiar with, all makes the signing sensible IMO. But these nitwits who bash Glass never seem to cite that, even though they're the same geeks who have to ask Corsi & Fenwick what they think about everything before they can form an opinion. All this rude welcoming until the first time Glass drives someone into the boards, of course; then they'll all be fans.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:12 am EST

This Glass-bashing thing has been simmering in me all summer. I've never seen a player raked over the coals liked this before his blades even touched the ice. For one, there was competition for his services ("The Rangers, along with the Maple Leafs, have called about UFA forward Tanner Glass. (News 1130)"). In fact, I havent seen anyone mention this, but kudos to the front office when it came to beating out Toronto for players; they were after Dan Boyle too. HOSPO, what you said about internet dweebs is spot on. That's where this has been coming from, non-stop. The Blueshirt Banters of the world, nothing but 2nd & 3rd hand vomit. Now they even suggest the Rangers are looking to sign Malone to force Glass out of the lineup - after they gave him a 3-year deal and hasnt fucking skated a shift! It's atrocious. Reminds of when I'd go to games and see some drunk wearing a Ranger jersey, God lov'em for being fans and all, but utterly frickin' clueless. The difference now is everyone has keyboards! These clueless kids in their mommas basement are high alright, on freaking interconnectivity.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:38 am EST

OLA... If I'm that old, I guess that makes me... a... Legend :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:37 am EST

Hospo.... A valid point is still a valid point and statistics are still statistics, it doesn't matter the age or location of the person making them. Boogard and Rupp we paid twice as much as they made the prior year to make them Rangers when we were in competition with no one. Glass should've been making less than what he made with his prior seasons rather than more. The Penguins weren't bringing him back and we were again in competition with no one. If we pad Glass less, we could've given John Moore a 2 year deal and avoided arbitration next season. Also, I know you're infatuated with his stats as a Penguin, but like I always say you can't just plug in stats from another team and assume they'll be the same when we trade for/sign a player. We need to look at his stats when playing under AV and his system in Vancouver for a more accurate read and they are not so impressive.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:43 am EST

Rhet0ric- Kovalev is a legend, you are just too old... ;)

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:42 am EST

Hospo- I agree on Glass. I mean, he is a goon. A heavyweight. Among them, he is an avg player. Defensively probably even a bit above avg. He can PK a bit etc.

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 12:45 am EST

RHET - Really?? on another Blah Blueshirt Banter fan piece by some 17 year old against Glass? Seemed like a bunch of warmed over regurgitation to me..Kinda like my stuff here......Not that he's not right on some points about Glass..The guy is limited..What 4th liner isn't?..We all know GLASS was overpayed..He basically is replacing Dorsett.....But I will trust AV over some Internet dweeb in why he wanted the forward that was 3rd in the entire NHL in hits despite being a 4th liner and will provide the Rangers with their only source of toughness on their forward lines..Perhaps the Rangers could have found a better hard nosed tough player for the 4th line, but the type of player was and is desperately needed...Not a Jasper Fasth.....And to compare him to the Stemp signing is idiotic....Again, Sather overpaid for Glass yes but they knew they were gonna need his every shift toughness..so they signed him quick.....Stemp OTOH was a great late low cost high reward signing by Sather at the end of FA--Some GMs have striked gold with these type of signings the last few years

Hospo


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:54 pm EST

So 6 of Rangers first 9 games are in NY area, counting one @ NJ. After camp at Greenberg and preseason games against locals like Philly (they go as far as Chicago), that's a far cry from Banff and a torture tour of western powerhouses.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:43 pm EST

Again, the point being, you take less to play in NY because that's where you're happiest or.... you take the most money and shut up. IMO, $16 mil over 4 years for Stralman was too much. I'm glad he passed. Also, I don't know what the hell the Lightning were thinking.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:34 pm EST

Great news about the J.MOORE signing!!! This kid has a serious ceiling, love watching him skate. Keep an eye on that developing mean-streak too, he went after WEISE with a vengeance in the ECF!!

hipcheck


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:24 pm EST

I was close! We'll have to deal Stepan+ for Stamkos next year, get him in here before he becomes UFA like they did with Cally, get him acclimated. Half-kidding but the TB-NYR pipeline is alive and well, Malone just the latest.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:23 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-marc-staal-talk-extension-article-1.1935686

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:09 pm EST

On a $4.5mill per/yr salary an athlete would pay an additional $289,035 on the 41 home games played in NYC than in ANY state with no income tax... FL. TX. Washington State & possibly Washington D.C.... Nevada?

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:06 pm EST

RR: I think the tax consequence is approx $192,690 additional playing in NYCity vs Florida on a $3mill p/y salary... It equates to 12.846% on $1,500,000 (41 home games)...... we kicked this topic around a few months ago, "the jock tax" where athletes are subject to other States & City's income tax while playing on the road

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 10:48 pm EST

So, MF, with my gorilla math....sounds like paying tax on NY money @ $3m per vs. No tax on TB @ $4.5 is roughly $1.75 difference per year? Not that it matters, he was gone anyway, but that's pushing what, 8-10m (difference) over the life of his deal? We're going to have a tough time signing Stamkos LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 10:17 pm EST

Stralman was never getting $4.5 mill from Slather & he signed in a state with 0% State Income Tax: What an opportunity to revisit income tax brackets in the great State of NY: STATE:New York: 8.97% on income over $500,000.... New York City: $18,000 (plus a little change) up to $500,000 & then 3.876% of every dollar > $500K...... This is only for Home Games.....

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 9:31 pm EST

The other thing that makes Stralman's claim kind of hollow is, if he really wanted security No.1, then Rangers offered him 3yrs/9m in January, and he turned it down, thinking he could get more. And he did, just not here. We should all be so financially insecure. But as remember it, Sather only added a year in their final offer, $12m/4yrs, $3m per. I could be wrong but too lazy to check right now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:41 pm EST

Stralman has a legit annoyance if you will, but his ultimate gripe should be with his agent for misreading the situation. Sather was fixated on Dan Boyle for two years, and rightly so, we HAD to have a point man. But Stralman's agent should have read the tea leaves as I understand it. Had they accepted the Rangers initial offer, one of Boyle or Stralman would've moved to the 3rd pair and Sather would have looked to move Klein, who makes almost exactly what they offered Stralman, $3m a year.I can see Stralman being upset, as he thought it was a negotiation, and the Rangers never came back to him and Boyle's signing was announced. But once Stralman signaled he was looking for more, Sather walked away, coldly. That's the way it goes. His agent obviously had been talking to other teams, because he was locked with TB within hours on July 1st. And the money Sather saved there, maybe 250k, maybe more, gave them a tiny bit of breathing room and makes it possible to sign a guy like Malone, at least in part.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:16 pm EST

Good article on the Tanner Glass signing not making any sense with all the subsequent signings we've made. Why do we always overpay for these guys when they don't even play every day? http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/10/tanner-glass-signing-starting-seem-really-strange/

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:02 pm EST

Anton Stralman needs to STFU. He has been whining to the media that he's angry with the NYR's for letting him walk in Free Agency. Is this guy out of his cotton-picking mind? Does he know how cap economics work these days? If you want to stay on a contender, you have to be prepared to take less than you'd get on the open market. The Rangers offered him 3-4 years at $4 mil per year (per Brooks) and it wasn't enough for him and his agent made a counter offer. The Rangers then passed. He needs to get over it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:42 pm EST

The Rangers were pennywise and pound foolish with John Moore's deal today. Judging by comps, He should've gotten between $1.1-1.3 on a 2-year deal. Which would've been a bargain next season. Moore will have arbitration rights next season and he will probably cost twice as much (as $1.3). Even if one of the prospect defensemen are ready next season, having Moore signed at a more attractive number would've made him even more attractive on the trade front.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:35 pm EST

Chin/KIS.... You both really need to re-read the thread and not read into it. No one said any players sold drugs to anyone. The guy(Jordan Hart) who sold drugs to Boogard was arrested yesterday. Reportedly, Boogard went to teamates to see if he could find a guy that could get him some percocet. A NY Ranger from the 2010-11 team gave him that said guys name. That is all. We were speculating on who the player might have been. We are fans(which I remind you is short for fanatics), speculating is what we do. IMO, I doubt that player even get's suspended. Also, I never said anything about Gabby.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 6:03 pm EST

Oh please chin. Give it a rest. No one said anything like that. Read the thread before you freak out.

tdchi


Wed Sep 10 2014 3:42 pm EST

Is being a diehard Ranger fan a sin? Maybe to some it is. Not to me tho. It is sometimes, however, a curse!!!

RF4L


Wed Sep 10 2014 3:24 pm EST

Moore-1 yr, 850k

puckyou


Wed Sep 10 2014 12:48 pm EST

Chin, you are 100% spot on. I should have read a little before ranting.

KIS


Wed Sep 10 2014 12:47 pm EST

Not that I wanted to come back on this note but to guess as to who supplied Boogaard with the drugs is nonsense. This society as gotten to involved in everybody elses business. Everybody needs to be righteous and be the first to expose dirt on somebody. We don't need to know so much info whether its persona; or governmental or a star. I hate that so many are so quick to judge and throw a stone when they live in a glass house them self. Not trying to get religious but who here is without sin.

KIS


Wed Sep 10 2014 12:23 pm EST

Its not right to insinuate Gaborik had anything to do with this Boegard business. But if they arrested him in April or May we probably win the Cup!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:58 am EST

The insinuation of some here that Gaborik was the "supplier" for Boogaard, even if it ends up being true (which I doubt, but I know as much as the rest of you, which is nothing) is so beyond over the line and ridiculous it makes me legitimately angry. Oh, they were friends! Oh, Gabby had injuries and maybe got some painkillers! Yup, that's just about good enough reason to basically imply he's guilty of manslaughter. Just silly, negligent comments, and spare me the "it's just an opinion and that's what this board is for". Nope, not for indicting or trying to imply dudes are connected to very serious offenses with no proof whatsoever. "Rant over".

chinstrap


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:07 am EST

Step back on ice today; Staals agent says theyre tslking.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:34 am EST

MSG sucks balls for not carrying the games, again. Meant to say not feeds but the highlight packages for other teams were often longer & uploaded faster last year. Some had better angles too. Buffalo only did radio last year, same this year. MSG should spend the time finding a replacement for Rosen, that disgusting corporate hack. Cant stand the sight or sound of him. It should be Kenny Albert. Im feelin ornery today; feels like hockey weather and Ive got the urge to give somebody a two-hander.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:53 am EST

Last year I think the Sabres camp was broadcast. Real great of MSG to again shut out the prospect camp and give us these ridiculous clips.

tdchi


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:51 am EST

Did Sean Avery get busted for his international drug ring yet?

RDW


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:12 pm EST

Also on Traverse, Buffalo had radio feed on their site last year, will again. So NYR play Sabres Saturday, can listen. And apparently someone from Detroit uploaded Wings games to youtube last year, not sure which day we play them.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 10:58 pm EST

BlueshirtsUnited will have Traverse highlights after games, starting Friday. Zippay also mentioned live updates on the site, probably a ticker. As of a few days ago, couldn't find a live stream from any of the NYR opponents, but maybe one will pop up.and a few times last year, the opposition feed was longer and posted faster than the Rangers. Rhet, me too but Id bet Step will feel better if he doesn't skate tomorrow haha.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:12 pm EST

Rabid... That's one of the negatives of Twitter. Ankles can be tricky, especially if there's a lot of swelling. I'd feel better if he was skating tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:11 pm EST

Rabid... That's one of the negatives of Twitter. Ankles can be tricky, especially if there's a lot of swelling. I'd feel better if he was skating tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:55 pm EST

Well that sounds worse than the tweet I saw earlier but if they say he's fine, great. Two years ago Step had his whole 2nd half ruined by same thing. Cant have enough depth.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:36 pm EST

MF.... We may know more tomorrow.... Zipay had this to say today.... "Play stopped as Stepan stayed down on his knees for a minute or two, then skated off without putting weight on the foot and limped into the locker room. He did not return, but the sense is, a team spokesman said, that he is fine. It is unclear if he'll skate Wednesday. Stepan had been training in Minnesota, so he could decide to take a break to be sure he is ready for camp, which begins Sept. 18." ....Docjay.... It was reported today that "Johnson never examined or diagnosed Hart for any injuries or illnesses, but regularly wrote him prescriptions for Percocet from June 2009 to July 2011, sources said. In turn, Hart sold some of the prescription pills to the painkiller addicted Boogaard."

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:14 pm EST

Step left under his own power MF. Didnt sound too terrible.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 7:17 pm EST

Any updates on STEPAN ?

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 6:08 pm EST

i treat many patients with chronic pain at the ny veterens hospital narcotics are very effective and in some cases life saving we dont know all the details on this case but its possible the physicians assisstant was duped by a malingering unscrupulous patient this can happen to even the most diligent and caring health care providers . i would rather err on the side of relieving pain than being overly restrictive and denying opiates to those who require them and im talking about non terminal patients with severe degerative arthritic pain as to the marijuana argument lets not mix apples and oranges, thats a different issue and truthfully there are drugs that are fda approved such as marinol that mimic many of marijuanas therapeutic benefits.

docjay


Tue Sep 9 2014 5:40 pm EST

RR: Nah. Tripod was moved to the Ducks the year before Boo signed.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 5:23 pm EST

Well I'm not going to indict Gaborik until the prosecutor does, but I will say what I said for years, which is I could never come to grips with how a guy could be such a demon one night and complete non-entity the next. And wasn't Voros on that team? They were a little clique as I remember it.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 5:01 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Nah..I guess what I'm trying to say is if the reason they're going after these guys is to STOP this practice, then I've got no problem...but if it's just because of BOOGAARD...or if they're trying to press manslaughter charges or something like that...there's where my issue begins...I know at least in NY the script craze is starting to diminish...and it's coinciding almost exactly with the rise in heroin addiction...It's just such bullshit that these pills are able to be prescribed period, when we have politicians that rail on about being tough on drugs...and as we're arming our narcotics squads like paramilitary forces...I just see this as another example of the law talking from both sides of the mouth...Condone docs giving the stuff out like candy...then bust people when they abuse the system.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:55 pm EST

Rhet0ric/CM - Ditto..I can't believe that...so young.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:43 pm EST

Really sad day with the passing of Bob Suter at age 57. Great guy and one of the best men I had the pleasure of working with. Absolutely shocked by this news. Ryan Suter loved his dad and he must be devastated.

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:38 pm EST

So long Bob Suter, Thank you for your part of the Miracle on Ice. You will be missed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:24 pm EST

mf - Hate to be the reoccurring bubble burster here...but I simply can't see the Sens trading RYAN nor can I see the Rangers acquiring him. The Sens aren't in a rebuild...they're in a retool...they've got a defense that's young and pretty nasty...some of their guys(COWEN for instance) have taken a little longer to mature than I think they thought...but when things start clicking, watch out...Up front, it's only a matter of time until ZIBANEJED starts popping goals...The got CHAISSON now who's solid and of course, the maturing Kyle TURRIS..and then LEHNER in net...I really don't think they'll move Ryan...and if they do, it's going to be for a proven player(s) who is(are) under contract...and they ain't going to be picking up any salary...

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:06 pm EST

TD.... I agree with a lot of what you say, but he died from drugs he bought illegally NOT from the drugs that were prescribed to him. The guys who broke the law shouldn't go to jail?

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:50 pm EST

One of the reasons BOOGAARD was supposedly brought to the Rangers was because GABORIK spoke so highly of him. Gaborik, ye of many surgeries. Ye of the NHL. Ye formerly of the Rangers...

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:46 pm EST

Bah...such nonsense...Like I said, if you're going to arrest these clowns in connection with his death...meaning the charges stem from his death....then go back and arrest all the stupid quacks who started prescribing him pain killers...I've had some pretty nasty surgeries before(see: bone marrow transplant) and I tell you what...the only thing the pain killers and morphine did for me was make me loopy. Had to gut through it. Booze and weed helped a bit, but the narcotics were worthless...didn't do squat. Later in life I happened into some oxycotin for recreational use...that was a one-time sample...won't ever touch that garbage again...docs prescribing these kind of pain killers to hockey players of all people...I can understand pansy prima donna football, basketball and baseball players...but hockey? The guys who invented tough? Sad that a guy like Boogaard is getting hooked on opiates to begin with...but that was the MO of US doctors for decades...sell out to big Pharma...overprescribe...give Americans the drugs they've craved since prohibition...dial up the narcotics...let them go through life like zombies. Was it criminal? Yeah sure. Morally. Nothing illegal about it because everyone was doing it...everyone IS doing it. Tweak an ingredient here, rebrand it there...put it back on the market and prescribe it before the FDA can figure out how hopelessly addicted people will get on it. Such bullshit. And yet meanwhile, I'm paying taxes this month to help the DEA and state police "eradicate" a naturally growing plant rightly called weed. It's all a bullshit shell game. They make arrests so they can pretend they're solving the problem they created. Rant over.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:39 pm EST

I may owe Sean Avery an apology. The rumor I just head said that it's a former NY Ranger that is still playing in the NHL. Bit of a shocker to me.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:38 pm EST

Per Katie Strang.... A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's office declined to comment on whether they will pursue charges against that player (NY Ranger player).

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:54 pm EST

WILD... Sad to say that was the first guy I thought of as well. If I remember correctly, he and Boogard were also friends. I'm sure we'll find out for sure who it was in the coming days.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:47 pm EST

The Ambien had been prescribed by the New York Rangers, but not the Percocet. Boogaard began asking Rangers teammates if they had Percocet connection. According to the indictment, a teammate agreed to look for a source and asked Hart if he would supply Percocet to Boogaard...... http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26487173/2-arrests-in-death-of-former-wild-player-derek-boogaard

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:46 pm EST

Rhet: Just saw that. Not much to really go on to guess who that may be...but one player does come to mind. Went from playing regular minutes to basically being tossed aside...playing a whopping 15 games in the NHL the next season, waived 3 or 4 times in a few months and spent time in the AHL before he was cut loose and he "retired" Im speaking of Avery of course. The falling out between him and the team was dramatic, and everyone blamed Torts...maybe he had nothing to do with it, but it would account for the narrative going how it eventually did.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:21 pm EST

Per Katie Strang.... Indictment also details an unidentified Rangers player on 2010-11 team helped facilitate illegal Rx drug purchase between Boogaard and Hart

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:15 pm EST

And in unrelated breaking news, Ray Rice has hired Dennis Potvin to appeal his suspension....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:13 pm EST

I dont remember the particulars of Booegards case, but this goes back to 2011. Not what Id call swift justice. But whoever broke the law should pay.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:51 pm EST

Take the f_ckin Percosets, and drop them via little parachutes with some of TD's ice cold PBR's all over Iraq, Syria, the Ukraine and any other hot spots, and watch how many lives are saved... :-) ...... Boogaard RIP big guy .....

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:50 pm EST

And in a return to "old time hockey" while practicing team D in the defensive zone there was a sighting Kamensky dangling at the opponent's blue line......

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:47 pm EST

Do we need to exhume old bodies while I'm attempting to put together a trade that will likely not happen? geez!, Now, we have $1,332,500 in Cap Room, we send down Hunwick, Kostka, Mueller, clears another $1850,000, trade JT Miller frees up $894,167 = grand total of ... $4,076,667 .... Then we subtract my proposed salary of $976,667 for John Moore, should leave us with $3,100,000 for Bobby Ryan, Ottawa eats $2 million for this year of which we account for in our trade..... Bring Home Da Cup ! :-)

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:47 pm EST

I wouldn't discount Kovalov making the team as an AV favorite given that he probably led the lead in puck possession time (until he turned it over!). LOL.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:45 pm EST

If memory serves correct, wasn't Gerry Hart the queen of NY (Chiefs?) roller derby in the 50s? ")

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:35 pm EST

Per the NY Post...... Johnson never examined or diagnosed Hart for any injuries or illnesses, but regularly wrote him prescriptions for Percocet from June 2009 to July 2011, sources said. In turn, Hart sold some of the prescription pills to the painkiller addicted Boogaard.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:09 pm EST

Hope Stepan hasn't suffered a fracture, carrying 14 players not so terrible after all…... Well, one of our "only two" RHS just got knocked off the ice. Still feel we have the depth for a trade..... Obviously my “Bromance” for this year has been Bobby Ryan "IF" we can negotiate a contract extension prior to the trade.... The trade would need to be structured where Ottawa would eat some of Bobby Ryan’s salary for this year: Ryan’s got the goods: can play just about anywhere in your top 9 in a pinch, is a RHS, big enough to play physical, 27 years of age "prime-time" ....... If we could get him signed between $6.5 & $7mill, I'd say we have a Cup Contender on our hands... (on a side note, if we can stay healthy throughout & have Malone in the line-up, I think we're a top six team in the league) .....In no particular order our forwards: KREIDER, STEPAN, NASH, MSL, ZUCC, BRASSARD, MALONE, HAGELIN, LOMBARDI, STEMPNIAK, D.MOORE, T.GLASS, "BOBBY RYAN" ....... .... Think I'd offer Ottawa like 4 players & anyone NOT named: Duclair, Haggerty, Skeji, Buchnevich, Kevin Hayes, ..... Available: JTMiller, McIlrath, Kristo, Connor Allen, Lindberg, etcetera...... These players are all in a tight range age group appropriate for Ottawa’s rebuilding... I'd like to keep Jesper Fasth & Kevin Hayes, liked what I saw in Fasth last PO's & he's a RHS, & with Hayes, I’d sit him down privately and ask him if he preferred to stay with us with reduced minutes & probably Hartford, or be traded to Ottawa where he may make the starting lineup, or to a team of his liking, even to Boston for maybe next year’s first & something like a 2nd in 2016... We can add what we get for Hayes in our trade with Ottawa to get Bobby Ryan only if we have to.... Then we're the “beasts of the East!”

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:01 pm EST

Rabid... Johnson was not a physician of Boogard's. He prescribed 3,000 Percocet's to Hart in 2 years. At a minimum, that's 125 pills a month. Obviously, they were selling them. Boogard was getting Percocet's (from Hart) in addition to the multiple medications that were prescribed to him by his own doctors. Pills that his doctors knew nothing about. There's no scapegoating about it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:55 pm EST

Horrendous. Scapegoating. Argh.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:48 pm EST

Horrendous. Scapegoating. Argh.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:46 pm EST

Gary Hart & Donna Rice = Monkey Business, no? I am gettin' old!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:44 pm EST

Booegard thing is horrendoys all the way around. Sure seems like dcspegoating years later, but if Dr. was able to write scripts hes bound by law to do do responsibly & didnt. The NY Times series is one of the more brutal things Ive read, if anyone who doesnt already wants to understand what these guys go through. Itll make you sick.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:43 pm EST

The media is reporting that Jordan Hart is the son of ex-Islander Gary Hart but I think they mean Gerry Hart.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:32 pm EST

NHL.com posted its top 60 prospects...only Ranger to make the list was Kevin HAYES...some mention of SKJEI, DUCLAIR and BUCHNEVICH...But not much...List looks like a who's who of first round draft picks.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:22 pm EST

Doctors assistant Oscar Johnson has also been arrested. (Duke Castiglione) in connection to the overdose death of Derek Boogaard. Johnson is a physician’s assistant in Utah and was writing percocet prescriptions for Jordan Hart on a monthly basis for two years, totaling 3,000 pills. (Fox 5) Hart played in Utah for two seasons from 2007 to 2009 in the ECHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:13 pm EST

Hmm...interesting tact, re: BOOGAARD...Sort of like charging a gun dealer for selling the bullets for a piece used in a suicide...but power to 'em I guess. Why call it what it was, which was a tragedy? Nope. Gotta charge someone. Too bad they weren't able to charge all the docs that probably prescribed him narcotics half his life.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:55 am EST

Jordan Hart has been arrested in connection with the death of former Rangers winger Derek Boogaard. (Fox 5) Hart was supplying Boogaard with the painkillers that killed him. (Fox 5) He could face up to 20+ years in prison if convicted. (Fox 5)

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:44 am EST

Per Kevin McGran.... Arrests have been made in connection with the overdose death of @NYRangers player Derek Boogaard. Story to come.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:16 am EST

Great. The start of injury season, my favorite. Thst why gotta hope all these guys, kids & vets, are ready to fill a role on this team. Worst case a few of them wait in Hartford. No tellling what lies ahead.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 10:38 am EST

SportsCenter..... BREAKING: Sabres owner Terry Pegula reaches tentative agreement to buy Bills, plans to keep team in Buffalo..... The Fourth Period.... Ottawa Senators :: Ryan, Senators pause contract talks.... http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ott140909.html

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 10:32 am EST

Sean Hartnett..... NYR center Derek Stepan took a hard shot to his ankle, down for an extended time. Able to put weight on both legs off ice. Yet to return.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:53 am EST

New York Rangers.... Rick Nash and Tanner Glass have joined NYR informal workouts here at the MSG Training Center today

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:46 am EST

Good points made.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/its-time-for-hockey-to-ban-the-term-holdout/

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:32 am EST

FWIW - Rangers kids are playing a generally useless Stars' prospect team at 6 p.m. Friday. Not sure if it's televised, but kind of doubt it.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:26 am EST

Just a primer on the Traverse City tourney...I can't see any other teams topping either the Jackets kids or Buffalo, which just released their roster...Between McCabe, Ristolainen, and Zadorov on D...Armia. Reinhart, Carrier and Lemieux's kid up front...that's gonna be a tough team to beat...Rangers' best hope is that their experience prevails over the talent of those two teams. Here's the Sabres' roster: Joel Armia Justin Bailey Nicholas Baptiste Joseph Blandisi William Carrier Daniel Catenacci Eric Cornel Colin Jacobs Michael Joly Vaclav Karbacek Justin Kea Brendan Lemieux Sam Reinhart Jack Rodewald Jordan Samuels-Thomas Defense Brady Austin Ryan MacKinnon Brycen Martin Jake McCabe Rasmus Ristoilainen Jared Walsh Nikita Zadorov Goalie Francios Brassard Andrey Makarov

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:26 am EST

Per Michael Russo.... Nino Niederreiter spurns KHL offer, closing in on re-signing with the Wild, says agent ....http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/274468151.html

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:00 am EST

Paging E and HamiltonHellHound...Paging E and HamiltonHellHound...guys...check you're email/Yahoo! mail....please respond, over...

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:30 am EST

Did Gordie Clark and Glen Sather out-draft a potato? ...... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/did_gordie_clark_and_glen_sather_out_draft_a_potato/17239025

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:18 am EST

OLA.... Bobby Orr is a legend. Gordie Howe is a legend. Wayne Gretzky is a legend. Alexei Kovalev? Not so much.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 6:58 am EST

Awsome! Ottawa will test "European style" standing supporter section for 10 games. http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=31305#&navid=OTT-search

Ola


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:56 am EST

BTW, I like Ovechkin's "No War" statement a lot.

Ola


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:47 am EST

Kovalev is a legend. That said, he won't play for us this year lol. I wouldn't mind him in camp, but there is no way he envision himself playing 100+ games in the NHL, he played like 30 games the last 2 years. I am sure he just want to push himself. It must be awsome for the kids to skate with him.

Ola


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:32 pm EST

I forgot patience. How could I forget patience when speaking of Alex? We have neither the time, room or patience. But I'd say this, just from Kovalev's perspective. If he really wanted back in to the NHL, Jed go into a camp and throw the body. He always had the ability to wallop people but it was never his style. But that he could still do & it'd compliment whatever skills he has left.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:22 pm EST

Yeah I realize that Nick LOL. YOu mean Alex never scored 50 goals/100 pts 6 years straight? I'm with you, no way I want to see Alexei IIII. Wemare in a TOTALLY different place and have no time, or room for him. Thing is, I wonder if he can't outplay some of the fringe guys we've brought in? I have to think that. And since he showed up more than one day, I know he was there again today at least, I think it is a semi-serious, under-the-radar thing. Sather's not going to tell him no he can't skate in informals. But I honestly can't say right now, is Malone or Stempniak better?Lombardi? Sure a guy like Malone brings a different element, but if Kovalev really worked his balls off to get in shape, it wouldn't stun me if he played somewhere (in the NHL). He's still a big moose with sick hands. I said that, think he looks at Jagr and thinks he can still contribute to a team. Surprised the hell outta me he's even there.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:09 pm EST

RR: You said "Guy Lafleur" and "Alex Kovalev" in the same sentence, without the phrase "different solar systems" in there anyplace. I fervently hope any AK talk is time-machine fantasy ...

Nick


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:09 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-what-will-the-senators-do-with-bobby-ryan-marc-methot/

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:12 pm EST

Cup loss haunts Lundqvist, but he likes Rangers’ chances in 2015..... http://nypost.com/2014/09/08/cup-loss-haunts-lundqvist-but-he-likes-rangers-chances-in-2015/

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:55 pm EST

Could be JFC. Then again, Kreider is all mighty LOL. That could be why it works, a different style, 6-3 speeding bullet no one can hit haha. depends, all on AV really. Those lines I threw out, Malone might look good on the 3rd with Lindberg (if) and MSL. and we know hags Has worked ok with Nash & Step. Could see a different lineup every night. And I agree with others I think Lombardi is in there, so not sure who comes out. Most would think Lindberg, but Ill wait and see.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:46 pm EST

RR - don't know if Kreider's north-south game will mesh well with Brass-Zucc who like to curl, create, cycle, etc. Not sure if Malone is a perfect fit either, but he does have a decent number of assists in each of his good seasons, so that's a good sign that he can dish it. I also like the size and the board work which I think worked pretty well with Poo. Malone at his best is even better on the boards than Poo. No way at all to know for sure who will fit with who but we'll see soon enough.

JFC31


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:27 pm EST

JFC, probably doesn't happen but Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, Malone-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-St Louis, Glass-Moore-Lombardi (Miller, Stempniak). Drop the puck!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:23 pm EST

Agreed RF. Knowing Sather, he probably had a very good idea where Malone was at not only from talking to him, but in having (his captain-to-be) McDonagh & Stepan skating with him over the summer. So maybe just a few days in person and they ink him. It's not like he doesn't have a track record, its just a question of health & fitness. And yeah, very glad to see & hear Malone's demeanor, just what you hope a guy would say. Also notice his frickin' neck is huge! Kevin Hayes is supposed to be 6-4, 6-5, but he walks by Malone and looks like a little kid LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:21 pm EST

Malone could be a great fit for Brassard & Zucc if he regains his old form and has the legs to keep up with them. He s got all the needed ingredients....good at getting the puck off the boards, goes hard to,the net, hits hard and causes turnovers.

JFC31


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:12 pm EST

Who knows if Malone will actually get signed (looks like it), actually make the team at one point (decent chance I think) and then get back to the semblance of what he once was (I've got no sense either way on that one). But I get the allure of him - if he can rediscover his game, then IMO he'll be a fabulous addition because he'll bring to the team what no one else can/does - a big menacing winger who can wreck havoc in the opposition's end AND score. The Rangers have some of both, but no who does both. He'd fit in on any of the top 3 lines if so. What I really like about his presser was this: "'Was there a fear that it was going to be over for you?, “Yea, it’s still there. It’s there until, I wouldn’t say anything until the season is over. You want to get on a team and prove yourself and take it from there. The fear is in the back of your mind and you need to believe in the hard work and preparation and all you can do is lay it on the line and see what happens.”"

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 3:47 pm EST

Can just see Sather signing Malone and Kovalev. Miller and Hayes will become best buds on Hartfords top line before bolting as free agents. Why isn't Pyatt in camp?

Messier11


Mon Sep 8 2014 3:47 pm EST

Brooks; "Malone is expected to sign a contract in the $675,000-$750,000 neighborhood within the next few days." And Malone had a bunch of remarks. Might as well post'em in case someone wants to read them; guy sounds contrite and ready to play; Ryan Malone skated with the Rangers today at their informal skate and then met with the media (Rangers) : -On other teams, “we have been contacted by a few teams. Here, is a great opportunity, a great team, young talent and last year, where they went, I would love to be part of it if that opportunity presents itself. I just wanted to come out here and show my face and see where that goes.” -How do you prove yourself, “I made a mistake and I need to admit that and luckily no one got hurt. It changed my life and my family life for the better. I would like to publicly apologize to Mr. Vinik and the TB organization. Mr. Vinik has done so much for the organization there. I wish them the best and the fans were great and I wish them the best and he is doing great things in TB.” -What would your role be, “someone with experience. That physical aspect of the game, using my size, playing simple and sticking up for my teammates. They signed Tanner Glass to fill that role so why not have a couple of more guys. I’m willing to do whatever it takes to be part of a winning organization.” -Have you seen the depth chart, “there is a lot of competition, I don’t like to look at it like that. I look at myself and try to bring my game and hopefully it fits into the roster somewhere. I will try and do what I do best and see what happens.” -Are there steps you need to take to sign a contract, “just being reinstated by the doctors and everybody was the one step that was needed and that happened a few days ago. It’s gone very well and very cooperative. I have learned from my mistake and am just looking for an opportunity to show that. I know the hockey world is a small world but my teammates and family know what kind of person that I am. I want to let everyone else know that.” -On his community service, “That is part of the case and I am not sure that I can talk about it.” -What shape are you in, “Good, healthy, I haven’t played hockey in a while and I was in Minnesota and joking with Step and Mac and they were just coming into the gym to start working out and I had been in there two months already. That is what happens when you play that long. I am in good shape, feeling well and did what I needed to do this summer to get ready.” -On the plan, “the plan is to just skate here and I was with Step and Mac in Minnesota and that camp ended so they told me to come out and I had been talking with Mr. Sather and we will see what happens here.” -Will something happen soon, “I would like to, just for a little security. This is the first time I have ever had to deal with this in my career, I have been lucky enough…I think it’s a good thing to realize how lucky I have been and it brings back that desperation and love of the game that you want to be part of something special. I don’t want to go out like how last season ended. This year is a big opportunity for myself to prove that.” -Was there a fear that it was going to be over for you, “yea, it’s still there. It’s there until, I wouldn’t say anything until the season is over. You want to get on a team and prove yourself and take it from there. The fear is in the back of your mind and you need to believe in the hard work and preparation and all you can do is lay it on the line and see what happens.”

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 1:07 pm EST

TDCHI - I understand the caution and concern..But the guy's game is his legs and speed...and he hasn't had one injury to his lower body....And I see no reason for him not to be able to fly again in the NHL..And the game has even open more which will be in his favor..As will being surrounded by good talented players...JMWO that if he is recovered from his shoulder woes we will see the player form before his injuries opening up the game for his line with his speed and passing..

Hospo


Mon Sep 8 2014 12:25 pm EST

Guy LaFleur took off 3 years then gave Rangers 18 goals, 45 pts. I wouldn't put it past Kovalev. At some point McDonagh won't be able to get the puck from him and theyll have to consider it LOL. Oy!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 12:15 pm EST

Hospo - Four years is a LOOONG time for a player to be irrelevant in the NHL to suddenly come back and put up great numbers. Not saying it can't happen...but I'm just nowhere near convinced it will. I said when he was signed...that his success in the Swiss league shouldn't be seen as success in the NHL...Daugavins and Mueller both kicked ass over there too and neither did squat in the NHL the year before.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:47 am EST

Loving this Kovalev stuff even if it amounts to nothing!....3rd line--Hags-Lombardi-Kovalev..:)...If healthy, and there is no indication he is not, no reason LOMBARDI can't put up one of his better years with speed out the yin yang, 40-50 points, PKing and taking 800 FO's and winning 50%..But, glad we have the kids for insurance......All kidding and biases aside, should be a a terrific and hotly contested camp with 4-5 spots (depending on ones opinion and including the 13th forward) up fpr grabs amongst 8-9 very different players,..Reports will probably change every day!

Hospo


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:46 am EST

Brooks says the 18th in todays piece on Malone. I remember preseason games being real tight against camp start last year too. Or maybe it was year before.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:36 am EST

RR: Does camp really start the18th? They have their first preseason game on the 22nd against the Devils in MSG - surely that's not enough camp time, right?

Ranger47


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:29 am EST

Malone saying he'll skate with Rangers rest of week, hopes to prove himself. Has been talking to Sather since July 1.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:24 am EST

Stempniak on ice too. Glass & Nash only guys I can think of not in yet. Camp opens Sept. 18 (I believe) so plenty of time yet. And wouldnt it be something if our 3rd line center ended up being....Alexei Kovalev! LOL. Oh no.....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:31 am EST

Ramjagsingh and other designers regularly take on the world's best players online to see what they do with the game, often discovering gamers pull off moves they never thought possible........... ""But do the Turbans under the helmet help reduce head injuries????"" ;-)

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:30 am EST

MF.... You're thinking of when he came back to NY. When he left, the GM was Neil Smith ....TD....He was willing to take less money than his prior contract, but how much less should he have taken? Should he have taken whatever peanuts Smith was willing to throw at him? The guy was coming off a season where he scored 36 goals and had 84 points. Messier also said he called Smith the night before he signed with Vancouver and asked if the 2-year, $5 million offer he read in the NY papers was actually available, Smith then countered with 1-year $4.6 Mil. Also, This was is in the days before the salary cap. Smith could've paid him whatever he wanted. Smith even said in the newspapers "how long do I have to pay him for the cup?" JMO, but I think Smith knew he was going after Joe Sakic all along and that's the real reason he negotiated with Messier the way he did. IMO, He never really wanted him back.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:27 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57674-Video-game-designers-add-physicist-to-fold-to-improve-puck-physics-in-NHL-15.html

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:23 am EST

And then there was 14. Can we live with that? We carry 13 forwards, dress 12, AV & Co. decides who is a healthy scratch for each game, and 1 guy starts in Hartford. When the injuries start, the player comes off the pine & the AHL guy comes up & gets time on the big club... One result, precision TOI management as we prepare all season for the Playoffs, aka: Fresh Legs & not "Stevie's!" :-).. (Exactly the same as a pitch count in baseball).......... Seems that MALONE wasn't much of a thought early in the post-season, & his agent didn't start to promote his comeback until recently.. The guy probably needed more conditioning time to be marketed. In the meantime, we sign Stempniak, a surely needed RHS, Lombardi, who outside of the concussion history is low risk high reward at $800K p/y & reports say is a good skater, we had to wait until August 15th to get in on the Kevin Hayes sweepstakes, and now Malone comes along because his camp feels he's marketable..... Grab that Brass Ring & show him some hospitality....

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:22 am EST

Lindberg in the house! Malone, Kovalev too.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:00 am EST

Seem to recall that Messier's agent was his dad, and Sather was up against "Papa" in the negotiations while Marc was off the coast of the Outer Banks of NC fishing.... Marc may have had to show more loyalty to daddy than the Jersey.... either way, one injury & you're gone & yes, it's all about the money, & IMO that's true for everyone here too.... FTR, I was pissed he left.....

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:50 am EST

He failed the physical and retired the next year!

Messier11


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:45 am EST

Pretty sure Arnott didn't see eye-to-eye with Torts, or Torts wasn't seeing eye to eye with Sather on that move. Something happened there, cant remember what exactly,made it seem like they used the failed physical as an excuse, because I think Arnott then passed a physical for StL but never played. There's always something unusual going on in SatherWorld. Apparently Chuck Norris was somehow hanging with McD, Stephan and Malone in Minnesota LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:32 am EST

Arnott's problem was a wonky knee that ultimately, forced him to retire.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:31 am EST

I believe if a player passes waivers going down, for a certain period of time, he can be recalled without having to once again go thru waivers. I could be wrong on that, however.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:26 am EST

Arnott tried to get a job here despite not being able to pass a physical

Messier11


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:18 am EST

I didn't even consider waivers with Malone, I'd love an official answer on that. But I definitely want the guy in the fold as NYR property. There's just no telling what this year will bring personnel-wise. I still think this depth means a trade eventually, but that remains to be seen.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:11 am EST

RF4L - I recall reading somewhere that MALONE was actually looking for a two-way contract...that he was willing to take an AHL assignment if it meant proving himself to a team...that, however, brings a new wrinkle...if he was demoted to Hartford, ripped up the AHL and got a promotion, I'm pretty sure he would have to go through waivers...You gotta realize this guy has a lot to prove at this point. Not only did he look slow and essentially useless on Tampa, but he has the whole DWI-cocaine arrest, which makes him a toxic player for most teams...Of course, Sather loves his reclamation projects...I think this is a good one. Malone has an uphill battle...the guy hasn't been relevant in over two years..then again, neither has LOMBARDI...actually, he hasn't achieved anything in the NHL since 2010, and yet many here think he's a lock for the lineup...

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:05 am EST

RR - Can't disagree there...the guy has a planet-sized ego, IMO. The money was just another way for him to get it stroked. And if I recall, he wasn't exactly making peanuts when he returned either.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:02 am EST

On MALONE - That's all good news. Rangers could use someone of his ilk, provided his troubles are behind him. Again, I don't know where he fits in this lineup...IF he fits in the lineup...signings like STEMPNIAK and LOMBARDI are seeming increasingly suspect...Lombardi especially, since I really don't know what he brings to the Rangers other than more speed...with BOYLE and POULIOT gone, seems to me they need to replace SIZE, not speed...and candidates for that include MILLER, HAYES and, if he ends up with a try-out, MALONE.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:00 am EST

Shoot, sorry for stammering lol. TD, we're agreeing way too much, we're going to have to do something about this lol. But on Mess, couldn't agree more except it wasn't what I'd call money but sheer ego with Mess Act II, and I'll never forgive him for it. He perpetuated the misery for another two years acting like a buffalo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:00 am EST

Shoot, sorry for stammering lol. TD, we're agreeing way too much, we're going to have to do something about this lol. But on Mess, couldn't agree more except it wasn't what I'd call money but sheer ego with Mess Act II, and I'll never forgive him for it. He perpetuated the misery for another two years acting like a buffalo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:57 am EST

RF, if Malone signs a two-way deal was Brooks says they're going to talk about soon, how does he have a choice? It'd be up to AV. I can see some stiff competition for a LW spot with Malone, Miller, and even Lombardi, who I can see AV becoming smitten with. That's if Lombardi doesn't win the 3C outright, but he's got to beat out Lindberg, which won't be easy IMO. I guess the way around it is waiting until camp concludes to sign Malone to a contract. But also, we have 4 Top 6 wings already in Nash, MSL, Kreider & Zuc. Somebody has to switch sides or move to the 3rd unit (MSL would plainly be my choice). Lotta moving parts, hard to say....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:56 am EST

RF, if Malone signs a two-way deal was Brooks says they're going to talk about soon, how does he have a choice? It'd be up to AV. I can see some stiff competition for a LW spot with Malone, Miller, and even Lombardi, who I can see AV becoming smitten with. That's if Lombardi doesn't win the 3C outright, but he's got to beat out Lindberg, which won't be easy IMO. I guess the way around it is waiting until camp concludes to sign Malone to a contract. But also, we have 4 Top 6 wings already in Nash, MSL, Kreider & Zuc. Somebody has to switch sides or move to the 3rd unit (MSL would plainly be my choice). Lotta moving parts, hard to say....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:56 am EST

Martin Brodeur still waiting for suitable offer to keep playing; Devils' off-ice job awaits...... http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2014/09/martin_brodeur_still_waiting_for_suitable_offer_to_keep_playing_devils_off-ice_job_awaits.html

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:56 am EST

Rhet0ric - Maybe so. Certainly those teams were a disaster and there wasn't much in the pipeline to replace him... I still think Messier didn't know when to step back from the team and take a lesser role. The guy was a shadow of himself that last year...and as for leaving the Rangers the first time...sure it was all about the money...nothing about the team..nothing about the fans...nothing about taking the Rangers to another cup...all about the money...and that's how I personally remember Messier: All about the money.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:11 am EST

RF4L... I didn't say that anyone was out of shape, just that these guys would be in better shape going into camp....... Elsewhere..... Kevin Hayes said last night that he was on his way to New York City to begin training with his teammates in preparation for Rangers training camp. (Hayes)..... Hayes said that he is “sad” to leave Boston where he grew up and spent the last four years at Boston College, but is “excited to get things going.” (Hayes).... Hayes joined the Rangers for informal skates at the end of August before returning to Boston.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:53 am EST

RR: I cannot see Malone accepting a demotion. Suspect unless it's because he still needs to into game shape, the Rangers would simply release him.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:50 am EST

I dont think Malone's weight will be a big deal Rhet. He's trying to resurrect his career and as you say has been skating. I just want to wait and see with him. Wouldnt shock me he ends up on a line with Step & Nash OR on Hartford's 2nd line, or anywhere in between. Unknown known quantity IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:47 am EST

Rhet: I think it's rare any player reports to camp these days out of shape, regardless of where they train. I cannot believe someone like Malone, who's looking for a career restart, wouldn't be in tiptop shape as he pursues a new contract. I concur he could be a very valuable member of the Rangers, if he can rediscover his game and stay away from injuries. He might be the player Sather was hoping he was getting when he traded away those picks for Ryan Clowe.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:38 am EST

Rabid..... I thought I remembered reading that Malone dropped the weight at the Octagon camp. These guys have been playing hockey for the past few weeks. I'm thinking they're in better shape going into camp than many of the other players.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:35 am EST

mf: Yeah, we've been getting along famously in here this summer, no doubt a result of the unexpected deep PO run this past spring and the fact that no games and therefore, no controversy with the club has occurred. Imagine the snipig if the Rangers start their year 0 and 5!?

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:20 am EST

York - Miller took 51 last season and 118 the year before...and two in the playoffs FWIW...was over 50 percent both season...was 53 percent his rookie year...granted, not a full season of draws by any stretch, but a good sample that shows what he can do at the NHL level...probably better than some of the Rangers' pivots...My point is that the Rangers lost one of their better faceoff guys in Boyle...I'm saying Miller could be a replacement...And certainly guys have a good game here and there...what I saw in the playoffs, however, was everything clicking for the kid. Like I said last week...he's 21. Still young...not unrealistic to think the guy is going to put it all together around now. Sure, we'll see what happens in camp. My money is on we'll see more of what we saw in the playoffs, and if thats's the case, he's a lock for a roster spot IMO.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:09 am EST

Bringing Malone in completes the off-season influx, now I want him signed to that two-way deal. Since he gained 25lbs according to that police report, it might take time to get back to tip-top shape. Its only a few months back. And like fighters who lose weight too fast, it can serve to weaken. Plus hes practically been made of glass with all the injuries. But having a guy like that in Hartford chomping to get back to the show could bring the best out of him, and we'll definitely need his size & tenacity along the way. That said, I love the idea and what they've done collectively to try to fill holes. They have a chance to be even better than last year. Key in my mind is the kids pushing for jobs. I don't think anyone is lock per se.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 7 2014 9:00 pm EST

Gotta believe that Stempniak, a speedy skater & only the 2nd "RHS forward" is likely a lock to make the team.. Ditto Lombardi who was signed to fill that 3rd line center spot to start and believe that's exactly where he will be.. .. I'm psyched to hear Malone may be skating with us.. Big boy, listed at 6'4" 225 lbs, former top six, physical player, just what we're lacking....... Looks like Malone makes 14, good dilemma to have.. Prediction: first fight during camp is right here on The Wall... :-(

mf


Sun Sep 7 2014 7:42 pm EST

Prediction for 1st brawl of camp; Malone vs. McIlrath.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 7 2014 7:10 pm EST

Per Gross... It was Stepan and McDonagh that invited Malone to the NYR informal skates as they were all at the Octagon Camp together. No invite was given to Chuck Norris.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 6:11 pm EST

BTW, Brooks also Mentioned that Derek Stepan was with McDonagh and Chuck Norris at the Octagon (camp).

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 6:02 pm EST

Brooks also states that If Malone does indeed sign with the Rangers, it is expected his contract — perhaps a two-way — would be in the $675,000-$750,000 neighborhood on the NHL level. His signing would thus have little impact on the club’s cap situation, for he will compete for a roster spot against players with similar cap hits.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:54 pm EST

Also per Brooks.... A well-placed source told The Post that Ryan Malone — who has been placed in Stage Two of the NHL/NHLPA’s Substance Abuse/Behavioral Health Program — has been cleared by the league to sign a contract. The Post also has been told Malone is not likely to face league discipline in the form of a fine or suspension, though he may have to meet with commissioner Gary Bettman and/or deputy Bill Daly to receive an official go-ahead.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:41 pm EST

yan Malone will join the Rangers tomorrow for their informal skates. (Larry Brooks) There is no contract agreement between the Rangers and Malone. (Larry Brooks) It’s not confirmed, but likely, that Malone will join the Rangers for a training camp tryout. The Ranges have reportedly done “extensive homework” on Malone.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:37 pm EST

JFC: I'd rather see Zucc-Brass-Nash and then Kreider-Step-MSL just because of size...Plus I think you could characterize Kreider and Nash as "Power Forwards" (even though Nash doesn't always play like one), and with the loss of Pouliot I don't think you can afford to have both CK and RN on the same line. Love the prospect though of seeing Zucc set up MSL for one-time clappers from the top circle...

professa


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:32 pm EST

The NY Rangers 2014 4th round pick, Russian goaltender Igor Shesterkin has had a strong start to the new season. He started off with an outstanding performance for Team Russia at the recent Four Nations Tournament in Sweden, stopping 73 of 76 shots, finishing with a .961 save percentage and 1.45 goals against average in three games. Shestserkin has since taken that momentum into the regular season as he’s posted a 2-0 record with a .917 save percentage and 1.91 goals against average for the junior team of Saint Petersburg of the KHL. While it's still early in the young KHL season. "Shesterkin is still very raw (and a bit of a head case), but his performance for Team Russia at the recent Four Nations Tournament in Sweden proved that the Rangers were wise to double down on goaltending draft picks" (via Hockey’s Future). Despite being high on most draft boards, Shesterkin dropped due to questions regarding his willingness to leave Russia to play in the NHL. While just 20 years old, Shesterkin already has pro experience playing in nine KHL contests last season posting a 1-5-2 record with a 2.80 goals against and .903 save percentage. Shesterkin plays a very athletic, but unorthodox goaltending style which can be described as a Dominic Hasek/Mike Richter hybrid. It's still too early to tell, but we could be looking at the future heir apparent to Henrik Lundqivist some day.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:06 pm EST

TD I'm not comparing the two as players I'm saying anyone can have a few good games that makes them look better than they are and used Jeff toms as an example of a guy that was crap had a couple game stretches where he didn't. As for face offs how many did he take 10? His percentage means little if it is 10 or under

York18


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:04 pm EST

if jt jitters doesn't do and act the way veenyo wants him to, he'll be back in Hartford or traded.....he better have figured that out.....if and when he becomes a Brad Richard , then he'll be treated differently.......potential needs to become reality in the nhl not in the ahl......

stevielegs


Sun Sep 7 2014 4:41 pm EST

TD.... Who was Messier supposed to take a back seat to? Bobby Holik? Jamie Lundmark? Petr Nedved? Eric Lindros? We had no young talent and nothing in the system that he was standing in the way of. Also, to say that Messier was being a petulant child because he took more money in Vancouver is a bit ridiculous. Neil Smith offered him a one year deal at less than $5 mil. Late 30's is usually an NHL players last chance at making some good money. If he was any other player, we wouldn't have blamed him for taking more money elsewhere. We probably would have wished him well. Messier has also said that if Neil Smith had indeed offered him the 2-year deal $5 Mil per deal (that Smith had leaked to the NY Press), he would've stayed a Ranger. When Messier left the team last season after AV was named head coach, it also rubbed me the wrong way. Until I read that Glen Sather had offered him the position before (which is why he went for the job in the first place) and that Jeff Gorton was in the way of Messier becoming GM when (or if) Sather retires. He basically had no prospects at moving up or being promoted any time soon. That being the case, why shouldn't he go somewhere where he might have the possibility to be a future Head Coach or GM? I think any of us would do the same if faced with the same lack of prospects. You know he would want to be a Head Coach or GM in NY more than any other place in the world and cutting his teeth elsewhere makes total sense. I guess it's a matter of perspective.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 4:30 pm EST

TDCHI - "I've called it two years in a row on him...said he was going to be on the roster after camp both times...and was right both times....this year, I say he not only makes the team, but the starting lineup"...Really???..C'mon.... You take credit for that?? Technically right, but we all know categorically wrong because of the way he failed to perform both seasons.which, realistically, made everybody else that said MILLER wasn't ready to he;p the team the ones that were right where it mattered

Hospo


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:19 pm EST

Canadiens need Brodeur like they need a hole in the head. Price/Budaj/Tokarski/MacDonald. Arguably they could move Budaj and have Tokarski back up, MacDonald start in AHL or vice versa

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:16 pm EST

And one other thing on MILLER...I'm not "acting" like he's earned anything. I'm saying he's going to earn a spot on this team...and that spot, I believe should be third-line center...admittedly, it wouldn't surprise me if he starts the season as fourth-line wing...but I can say this: I've called it two years in a row on him...said he was going to be on the roster after camp both times...and was right both times....this year, I say he not only makes the team, but the starting lineup.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:13 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Pretty much what Messier11 said...my point is more that Mess really didn't know when to take a backseat. Or rather, I don't think he COULDN'T take a back seat...Messier would have been a hell of a player for the Rangers during his last few seasons if he could have accepted a third-line role...yeah, he still had it...but he simply couldn't skate top center minutes and yet game in and game out, that's what he did....likewise with the Devils...they tried to kindly usher him to the door...he kept playing...then they traded for SCHNEIDER...and he still couldn't take a hint...just like he can't take a hint now.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:08 pm EST

York18 - Jeff TOMS...Really dude? C'mon...you're going to compare a 21-year-old draft pick's performance in the cup semi finals to a gangly plugger who played on one of the worst Ranger teams in modern history? I'm really hoping that was more rhetoric and less you trying to compare the two. And FWIW, those faceoffs I cited? Those were in the NHL. No idea what his percentage is in Hartford...in the NHL though, he's over 50 percent, which on the Rangers, is pretty damn good...in fact, better than anyone one the team not named Dom MOORE.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:45 pm EST

Love the idea of Brass-Zucc-MSL line....but more on the PP than at ES. I agree with TDCHI that a big wing who can dig out the puck on the walls is needed....hopefully one who also goes hard to the net w/o the puck. But that trio might also be one to go to,when the lines aren't clicking during a game and AV wants to create a spark...but, as a regular line,I think they'd get worn down due to lack of size.

JFC31


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:17 pm EST

Its my opinion that Messier was acting like a petulant child in 1997 when he very well may have cost us a second Cup by bolting for dignity and dollars to Vancouver. Its my opinion that Messier was acting like a petulant child when he chose to abandon the organization, after not being gifted the head coaching gig.

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:08 pm EST

Messer11.... Perception is not always reality. Opinion is not always fact.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:05 pm EST

Rabid what He was doing at the time of the trade I couldn't tell you but 99% of his pro career he was out late enjoying the nightlife. He is a kid with a lot of money I expect nothing less. Pronged did the same thing it happens. Throw millions at a 19 year old and it happens......TD you keep acting like miller has earned his spot he had a couple of good playoff games proves nothing Jeff toms had a couple of good games meant nothing. He will be lucky to get a fourth line wing spot let alone a third line center spot amd how he took draws in the ahl means zip. I like the kid but man you over hype this kid like the second coming of messier

York18


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:40 pm EST

wouldn't ever compare Mess to Brodeur, but Mess acted like a petulant little child twice: in 97, and last year.

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:39 pm EST

which would make my lines something like...Nash-Step-Kid K; Brassard-MZA-St.Louis; Hag-Lombardi-Stemp/MIller/Hayes; Glass-Moore-Stemp-Miller

Hospo


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:34 pm EST

Personally, I think BOTH Stemp and Lombardi are sure fire locks to start the season in the Rangers top 12 forwards...Probably on the top 3 lines...Maybe one on the 4th line only if MILLER can show he is a much smarter, more focused, better positioned player ..I'm not buying yet...Rather MILLER start skating, crashing and banging as a 4th line wing..

Hospo


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:18 pm EST

TD.... WOW. Comparing Brodeur to Mark Messier? Even if you don't like Mess, he never acted like the petulant child that Brodeur is being. Mess also had 18 goals and 43 points in his final season. He was 2nd on that team in points. The Rangers also had very little in the system, so it's not like he was blocking anyone's path to the NHL.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:04 pm EST

Krieder/Step/Nash, Hayes/Brass/Zucc, Hagelin/Miller/MSL, Lombardi/Moore/Glass or Stemp...Way I see it is they're going to want another guy with size to join the Zucc line...and if Miller's future is in the middle, then there's no better pair to have him center than a speedy vet and an even speedier Swede...both of whom are very defensively sound....and then the bottom line....Like I said with Lombardi...I just don't see him as a lock to even start the year in NY...and given what Stempniak showed in the playoffs/with the Penguins last year, I'm not sure he is either.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:54 pm EST

I still think we're all putting a lot of faith in the fact that LOMBARDI will join the top three or in the lineup at all...not sure on either of those things.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:51 pm EST

Ville "O-for-58" LEINO in the bruins camp on a tryout...

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:28 pm EST

My take on lines, pre-camp: Kreider/Stepan/MSL, MZA/Brassard/Nash, Hagelin/Lombardi/Stempniak, Miller/Moore/Hayes Glass spare

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:19 pm EST

Hahah...Unc...Like dude...you're old...fourty-friggin'-two old...And really, you're done. You might be a good starter for the alumni game, but really, retire already. The Devils were trying to be nice about it. They tried to let you have a classy exit...and yet you didn't get it. I hate to draw parallels with a Ranger, but he and Messier seem to be cut from the same don't-get-it cloth...

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 11:30 am EST

I see big mouth, bigger ego Brodeur is at it again, stirring up some publicity squarely focused on himself as he lets the press know he'd sign with the Canadiens. Gawd, I hope no one signs him so he'll just go away (I know not quietly - that's something he's clearly incapable of). I mean, wake up and smell the coffee dude - you cause too much distraction with your overt craving of attention, to the point where arguably one of the most loyal builders has decided to walk away. I think any team signing him, unless they're prepared to have him be their starter (and that signals an altogether separate issue because he's not a starter anymore), is asking for controversy because he cannot keep him mouth shut and will gladly opine about his ability and desire to be the number 1 and/or muse openly, once the trading deadline approaches, about where he'd be willing to go in a trade. STFU and retire already. Yes, you were a great goalie but the key word here is WERE. Go away gracefully. Please.

RF4L


Sun Sep 7 2014 11:17 am EST

Last night it was reported by MLive.com that ex-New York Rangers 7th defenseman, Raphael Diaz, has been invited to training camp on a tryout basis by the Detroit Red Wings.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 8:20 am EST

Ryan McDonagh joined the Rangers informal skates yesterday. (Steve Zipay) The Rangers now have their top six defense (McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, Dan Boyle, John Moore and Kevin Klein) all skating together during the informal workouts. McDonagh had spent the previous few weeks skating in Minnesota with other NHLers at the Octagon Hockey camp (with more than 30 other NHL players).

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 8:02 am EST

McD @ camp.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:43 pm EST

I'm very much in the show me camp when it comes to JT Miller. And I think I'm in good company because the Ranger brass is there too. Nothing against the kid, I sure hope he does well, does better than well, breaks out and terrorizes the entire league. But I just haven't seen it from him, the hockey IQ. Not to say it isn't there. He was smart enough in the AHL to be an effective points producer. I loved the kid with US Juniors. That's the JT I want to see, hungry and unencumbered, physical, playing like a force. I keep seeing how good he was in the playoffs before his injury but I didn't notice him much myself,though I do remember some good forecheck shifts. But until it clicks for him and translates where its beyond dispute, he's just a late first round pick without a position who ticked off his coach last year. I certainly don't give a hoot what Jim Cerny has to say about the look in his eye, gimme a break.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:51 pm EST

Could Mats Zuccarello be the New York Rangers‘ captain this season? Zuccarello sure doesn’t think so, according to Norwegian news website, nettavisen.no, where he shared his doubts in a recent interview. He does not predict the C, neither the title of alternate captain, will go to himself. He does, however, strongly believe in one other teammate for the candidacy.... Zuccarello says Ryan McDonagh may very well be the new captain, taking the defenseman’s long-term contract and natural leadership into consideration. McDonagh signed a six-year contract just last year for $28.2 million. The 25-year-old has proven himself well deserving of the roughly $4.7 million per year, as he has been a crucial part of the Rangers’ defense

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 6 2014 7:29 pm EST

Not sure what your point is YORK.There was never any shortage of buzz about DZ and the nightlife. I just said at the time of the trade he was apparently behaving himself, only because it came to me in a way I could trust. But I don't care what Del Zotto does anymore, he's a Flyer.if he let partying affect his game he was unprofessional to say the least. But I don't know that to be true. I also dont care what a guy does in his free time. In fact, playing & partying sounds like a mighty fine life to me. But everyone has their limits.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 6:53 pm EST

Rabid DZ liked to stay out late and party it was even seen in his short stint in hartford. Does that mean drugs? No but I was told by two seperate people he was more interested in night life then hockey. These are two people with ties but don't know each other with no reason to lie about what he does.

York18


Sat Sep 6 2014 4:14 pm EST

_ARC - Hey Man! Yep, so true...During those gloomy days after 97 I was probably the main proponent of the "We Suck--Play The Kids_It Cant't Be Worse"! school of thought....I remember how, for an example, our defense prospects were "loaded" with guys like Jeff Brown, Lee Sochoran, Alexei Vasiley and even Fred Mertzig". and how they should have been playing over all the crappy vets....Unfortunately,..they all turned out to be crap.themselves.......For that and other reasons, I have kinda morphed into a , "just give me the better player no matter the age" kind of guy...Especially when the team is contending for the Cup..

Hospo


Sat Sep 6 2014 2:06 pm EST

Just to clarify I remember a time when Hospo was all about the kids and giving them a shot. 20 years go by and couple heartbreaks re: one AK27 he turns into that guy from 'major league' who says "back the truck up...." After seeing his beloved Indians get slugged out the park one too many times ;). Ha. The good old days. Can't believe I'm 20 friggin years older!

_Arc


Sat Sep 6 2014 1:53 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Never triedvto run KId K off, in fact I rushed him to the 3rd line at the beginning of last season..but he needed more...Ditto for JT MILLER, I love the kid..perhaps my favorite prospect..Not a question of IF but WHEN..Unlike TDCHI and others I haven't seen any reason to rush him..or why he should beat out solid NHLer..But I do see him snagging the 4th line spot at the onset..After that, I hope he just gets better and better

Hospo


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:52 am EST

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/01/theo-fleury-helped-change-societys-view-of-child-sex-abuse

mf


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:42 am EST

Staal turns 28 January 13th... I can certainly see going out to six years, but damn, I don't want to pay the guy a penny over $6mill per, actually prefer to mirror Girardi's contract which has six years remaining at $5.5mill p/y including this season... It would be nice if these high priced athletes put the pencil to the paper to see what it takes to sign an entire squad "that can compete for the cup." We're nickle & diming J.Moore to take less than last year to pinch every penny... Effin Hank couldn't sign for $8.25 mill per & give the NYR's some more wiggle room to assemble a core around him??? Hank will make it up in endorsements in the NY Marketplace.... Same thing for Stall, Step, & Hagelins next contract's... 250K here and there can prove to make the difference to land that 1 extra depth guy that puts you in the top tier of teams in the league...... IMO, endorsements are a trump card Dolan can exploit to lure athletes to New York City, and have them sign for slightly less than market value........ As of now, next year you have $23,875,000 of Cap Space... Staal, Stepan, Zuccarello, Hagelin, & MSL are due up for contracts...We then need to account for at least three additional roster spots to make 20; ie: John Moore, JTMiller, Hayes, Stempniak.......... Here's some # guesstimations: Staal: $5.5mill, Stepan: $6mill, Zucc: $6mill, Hagelin: $4.25mill, MSL: $3mill, = $24,750,000..... Then add: JMoore: $1mill, and two of ...JTMiller/Hayes/Stempniak @ $1mill per and you're at $27,750,000......... Yes, theoretically the Cap will increase, but so can the demands of the players to be signed.......

mf


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:03 am EST

You said it perfectly MF, he channeled... I always felt bad for him, saw a guy in a tremendous amount of pain, but boy did he channel and was a 5-6 hockey demon because of it. Forget the chicken dances, he was the most inventive guy ever when it came to clipping people with his stick 'inadvertently.' LOL. I used to laugh my ass off because no one could go near him without getting it. He had some troubles here but I had a lot of admiration for him.was real good as a NYR and managed to keep it together for the most part. And now he tries to help other kids who've gone through what he did.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 10:40 am EST

Rabbit: Spot on in regard to Fleury. He was fortunate where he found a profession where he could channel his inner rage into productivity.... Many opponent paid the price of that man's inner anger, but for the most part, his off ice victim was himself... Damn I miss those "chicken dance taunts"

mf


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:48 am EST

Theo Fleury was a victim of child abuse and totally different from guys partying & 'living' the life', so to speak. Its a miracle Fleury accomplished what he did IMO. One HELL of a player.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:35 am EST

schneidw - I don't have any doubt MILLER starts for the Rangers this year. None at all...the question is where will he start? I've always thought being in the center was the best fit for him in this team...and I mentioned it a few weeks back, he's actually one of the better faceoff guys on the team...man if he's grown an inch and put on 10 pounds of muscle..that could be some good news for the Rangers.

tdchi


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:29 am EST

On MALONE - Truth is, he'll have an easier time cracking the Pens lineup than he will New York's...but to say the Pens have cap problems is really kind of trivializing their situation...that have room enough to sign ONE more player..and that's taking the assumption KAPANEN and MENGA don't make the team...Rangers aren't that much better off...and in truth, were I to follow the smoke on this guy, I'd say the most likely place for him to end up with a tryout is on the Minnesota Wild...training in Minnesota...the team has $9 million in cap space is doesn't appear to be bringing RUPP back...He could fairly easily drop into their top three lines...were I a betting man, that's where I'd say he lands...also remember...just because he signs on for a tryout with a team doesn't mean that's where he'll end up...the legendary Anton STRALMAN played pre-season with the Devils before landing on the Rangers the following month...regardless, I just don't see room for Malone on the Rangers...I see a need, but not the room.

tdchi


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:21 am EST

I'm not sure why fans automatically equate being in NYC with drug abuse and boozing...can do that sort of thing in any city...and if that's your predilection, you'll find it in Nashville just like you'll find it in Manhattan...in fact, it'll find you...MDZ's problem wasn't that he looked unconditioned...it's that he simply never could get the defensive side of his game up to par with the game the Rangers wanted him to play and that, coupled with him not having the foot-speed of MOORE and being the fourth lefty on a team that desperately needed a stay-at-home righty and already had two other similar lefties in the system punched his ticket out of town...Though I'm a little surprised the Preds cut him loose for nothing, one only has to look at who that team has on defense to see that he was more than expendable...DZ has incredible passing ability...I'll still never forget going to a pre-season game in Boston during his rookie year...and some of the cross ice bombs he landed....Basically threading the needle...man, if a team could harness THAT, he'd be an asset...and DZ also never got credit for his hitting, which was explosive...problem is, people rightly saw how often he takes himself out of position...and that's something that soured with two consecutive and diametrically different Rangers coaches...I wish I could say good luck to him in Philly, but I simply can't. I do think he'll be a good fit there...he'll bring a little snarl to a Flyer lineup that, to me, looks pretty soft...but if what we're doing is pinning his career bumps on partying in NYC, I think that's specious reasoning and really not looking at the enigma that is Del ZOTTO.

tdchi


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:15 am EST

HOSPO_ Just read your JT Miller post... I am bullish on JT.. I realize its a small window, but he looked strong during the playoffs before blowing out his shoulder on the crosscheck from behind... I read he has grown and is now almost 6-2 and 215lbs... just look at the kids neck..he is SOLID. He definitely has good on ice awareness and decent hands.. he may not be a #1 center but he might be better as a power left winger in the Adam Graves mode... he is only 21YO so lets give him time to grow... I remember when HALF the Wall was looking to ship Kreider out of NYC a year ago... prospects take patience... just ask Philly (VanRiemsdyck, Sharp, BObrovsky, all traded too soon)...

schneidw


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:07 am EST

Salary CAP??? Will SATHER be able to sign Staal during the season this year given the salary cap? Assume he signs for 6 years and $6.5M...can it even be done or does Sather have no choice and let him become a UFA and let Philthy offer him huge $$$ and risk having him leave NYC?? Reason enough for Staal to get resigned ASAP http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/marc-staal/read-people-in-pittsburgh-are-still-really-mad-at-marc-staal/

schneidw


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:05 am EST

What is the big deal? NYRs chasing a 34YO coke head... not really what I want to see and I like Malone... the long history of Theo Fleury to Don Murdoch and all the ooh la la sasson days of Duguay/Greshner...NYC is not the place for a partier AND NYRs need speed to go w size... Malone should retire or sign w Winnepeg

schneidw


Sat Sep 6 2014 12:59 am EST

Rabid... You're reaching. More than one Rangers beat writer has already reported that there were multiple teams interested in Malone. Also. I've seem Pitt and NY mentioned in several places. Another Penguins beat writer mentioned that Malone would be a better fit than Carcillo. At this point of the season, no one is going to give Malone a contract (outside of a PTO or sheer stupidity). The Rangers have a full roster, they're not going to move anyone unless the guy comes in and wins a job. Also, there is new Management from when Malone was in Pitt previously so I don't think past transgressions get held against him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 11:40 pm EST

Meant to add, Pens had choice yesterday of bringing in a LW and chose Carcillo. So I get the sense it's two old goaltenders in Luit & Rutherford helping each other out. Rutherford vouched for Pens interest and at worst forces the Rangers to maybe do more than they want to. But it really says what PITT thinks when, with dwindling room on the rink, they could have invited Malone yesterday instead and didnt. That's because there's no question CarBomb is an NHL player right now, but there are legit questions on Malone. Other thing on MDZ; I won't say much if I hear something as far as where its coming from, I'll work it into a post somehow and leave it at that. I've had too much trouble in the past with people demanding to know where from, some of it here, its gets ridiculous. But just so happened last year before he was traded, DZ was dating someone who was very close to someone close to me. And all I can say are these are very intelligent, healthy, clean-living types and I didn't hear a word about any misbehavior.I know it wouldnt happen in their presence.Not that a guy can't sneak around if he were using something, as all these innuendos seem to imply. But same time, I'm someone not sure getting high or a boost somehow necessarily hurts your play LOL. It could make you more creative Haha. Bu I also don't believe you need to have a substance problem to struggle with your game. Anyway, the only thing I'd said at the time was I hoped the girl liked cold whether because it sounded like DZ was heading to Colorado. But I'll never forget how good he was versus Ottawa two years ago, really one of the best players on the ice. And still very young, Flyers didn't hurt themselves giving him a shot. Even Hextall, one of the league's greatest dicks, was basically offering the kid a fresh slate. DZ ran into a tough time here but I never hated him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:40 pm EST

Couple of things there Rhet. If you read Rutherford other remarks ,mje says they're not 'closing the door' but are close to the number of players their new coach wants. I'd take that to mean maybe a tryout, but there won't be a contract. That Malone's agent spoke in a Pittsburgh paper also tells me he's trying to pressure the Rangers for a contract. That's what they want. guaranteed money. I'm sure they could get tryouts from more than just NYR-Pitt. And lastly, there's that quote Malone was known as the 'King of the Southside' when he played in Pitt.Not the best place for a rehabbing player I'd think, with all his old haunts. So if I had to bet, I'd say we're still about 70% to get him. Total guess/gut feel. I hate when agents play their games, but they have to for their clients.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:29 pm EST

Torts may have been great for McD the same as Keenan was great for a young Pronger in St. Louis. It doesn't mean that either coach was good for a defensive squad as a whole let alone a team. Doesn't mean that either coach could have ever won in either city.

Messier11


Fri Sep 5 2014 8:45 pm EST

Yes and it always seems to be the Futher Mucking Penguins.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 8:20 pm EST

Tnx Rhet. Everything has to be a sweepstakes. Hopefully its just Luit trying to squeeze a contract from us. If its a two way as was speculated, no problem

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 8:05 pm EST

Rabid.... Ex-Penguin Ryan Malone looking for 2nd chance.... “There's a natural attraction there,” said Malone's agent, Mike Liut. “He grew up there. He played there"......"I have talked to Pittsburgh about him throughout the summer. They're kicking tires. They've expressed some interest, but it's just that. Which is fine. “There isn't anything where I can say, ‘Hey, this is what we're going to do.' Hopefully I can next week. ....http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/6741413-74/malone-penguins-liut?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tribunereviewpenguins+%28Penguins+Stories%29#axzz3CUcjcmbY

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:23 pm EST

Not sure where that's from Rhet, but I'd hope since PITT invited a LW in Carcillo yesterday, we'd get Malone. Same time its only a tryout, they can invite as many guys as they want.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:14 pm EST

It looks like Ryan Malone is down to signing a PTO with either Pittsburgh or NY.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:24 pm EST

Messier11....Please do not read the following post out of fear that it will make your head explode.... Ryan McDonagh says that John Tortorella was the perfect coach for him to start his NHL career under. (NY Times) He says that Tortorella got the most of of him and “did wonders for me.” McDonagh said that Tortorella was hard on the players when he felt that they needed it. (NY Times) Dave Maloney said that all young players should have to play under a “hard coach” to start their career, a coach who has high demands for them. Maloney said that in the long-run the players will appreciate being “forced to learn the right way.” (NY Times) McDonagh also praised Tortorella after he was fired in 2013. John Tortorella consistently praised McDonagh and the intangible he had to rebound after a tough shift.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:20 pm EST

John Moore: New contract with Rangers is close.... Newsday has reported that John Moore and the Rangers are still currently working out his new deal to be done soon. Moore is fully expected to be at day 1 of training camp later this month.... When asked about the situation, Moore said, “I’m really optimistic. This week a lot of ground was made up. Things started to pick up. Unless something really goes wrong, I’d be surprised if it’s not done by training camp.” .....http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/john-moore-new-contract-with-rangers-is-close-1.9236558

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 4:23 pm EST

Emmo sighting. Steve Eminger to sign AHL deal with Bruins. And R Diaz supposedly has 3 PTO offers. No word if one is from us. He really wasnt bad. Neither was Eminger.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 2:17 pm EST

Hospo: LOL...yeah, let's hope he is approaching matters more seriously. Can't believe he didn't previously so interesting choice of words. Maybe the Hayes signing ruffled his feathers? Sure looks like a competitive camp is in store and that is never a bad thing.

RF4L


Fri Sep 5 2014 1:48 pm EST

Some more Pre pre-season fluff from mouthpiece Jim Cerny stumping for JT MILLER (http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6545/early-informal-takeaways-from-pre-camp-workouts?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1409941601#.VAoEhmdOUdU) becasue he "looks serious"...Wow, I'm impressed!....OTOH, maybe the lightbulb finally has turned on!...We'll see..

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:54 am EST

TDCHI - OTOH, I think you exaggerate how much other people "don't like him"...I think most people like him bit just have differnet views on time-tables and readiness...I don't think many people see his career landing spot as a 4th line plugger---I sure don't..OTH, I can see that being the exact spot for him this year along MOORE and GLASS...and it could be much more than a plugging line...Oh well, we can talk till we're red, white and blue in the face...it's their performance that will decide where they end up

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:47 am EST

And not just talent important- Systems & Chemistry equally or more important. In baseball, you can plug a .300 career hitter into any lineup, and he will usually perform the same for almost any team-as it's an individual effort. Not true with hockey-(see Rick Nash and hundreds of others).Even superstar players seem to get more chemistry with certain players. Guys who clicked together-Leclair & Lindros, Hull & Adam Oates, Messier & Graves, Kevin Stevens & Mario,etc.-it's magic when it works. NYR found out the hard way how many guys couldn't play here (Redden, Driver,Gomez, Holik to name a few). Seems like they have a better handle now with AV-looking for chemistry & players that fit in the system going fwd.

puckyou


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:39 am EST

On MILLER - obviously, I like the kid. Think some of you guys over-exaggerate how much...but I'd like to point a few things out that explain a little about his path to the NHL...first, I think the best place for him to develop was probably with the Souix in North Dakota...Older, bigger players...less concentrated schedule...more time with coaches...I know WHY he went to Plymouth...because he wanted to make the NHL sooner than later...but the thing is, Miller is a big kid and with his frame coupled with his talent, the OHL wasn't exactly challenging...certainly his one year there didn't show dominance of that league...but if you watched him play in the World Juniors, he was manhandling guys...looked like a beast in the corners...I'm sure that was a thought among the Rangers' management when they moved him to Hartford...now some like RF4L say he should have stayed with Plymouth and ' 'dominated' there to build his confidence...well, I kind of disagree...there's no shortage of confidence in this kid...and that's part of the problem...he's cocky...too cocky sometimes...he thinks he can pull moves at times when he needs to make the simple play...York18 calls him out on this and faults his hockey sense...I disagree here...I think its a matter of his maturity...what a lot of us forget is that he is, in fact, a 21-year-old kid. And while some are mature at that age, clearly JT is(or was) not among them...he doesn't come to camp early in 2013...why? Probably because in his mind, he knows he can make the team...he beat KREIDER out six months earlier and he's looking at the depth charts...seeing spots open...his cockiness gets the best of him...pan to last spring, when AV called him out in the press...basically saying he's got to decide whether he's going to be an NHLer or ride the bus as an AHL superstar...So take that moment in his career, and suddenly we see JT Miller growing up...I don't think anyone disagrees with the notion that the kid looked A LOT better in the playoffs, which is unequivocally the toughest hockey of the year...Kid looked like he belonged...was pretty much doing everything right...then he shows up to camp on the first day they unlock the doors and we get a report that he's got a little extra pep to his step...not surprised at all...I still can't forecast where this kid is going to land in terms of production...but it ain't going to be as a bottom line plugger.

tdchi


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:28 am EST

Yeah Hospo, we won't even know what AV is thinking until they start drills, but think they do Miller a BIG disservice if they don't put him in one spot, center or wing, and let him make team or not. Time to find out what he's gonna be, and think its a LWer right now. A bit easier for him, and happens to be what we need. And just saying', when Lindberger starts to make you think we've somehow reacquired Mike Ridley, the bus will have already left the station! If Jesper Fasth comes anywhere close to making this team, we're not near as deep as we thought.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:17 am EST

Agree with RR on the Corsi and Fenwick business. Might work for baseball...doesn't mean jack in hockey, IMO. I've said this here before: Hockey is the ultimate team sport. You've got six guys on the ice and if even one of them is playing sub-par, the other five are going to pay for it. No so much in baseball, where you can be a superstar on a loser team and still have stats that reflect your stardom. With very few exceptions, that rule doesn't hold true in the NHL. You take a supremely talented guy and surround him with trash, his stats are going to look like garbage...conversely, you can take an average player and put him with a bunch of superstars and he's gonna look like an all-star(see: Chris KUNITZ).

tdchi


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:03 am EST

RABID - There is ALOT of flexibility on the Roster so it's really hard to pinpoint battles...But ..to me......LOMBARDI-MILLER for 3rd C (Lindberg way on the outside)....STEMP-MILLER-HAYES-MALONE?-LOMABARD-FASTH for the 2nd/3rd line W AND 4th line W along Glass and Moore..Just how I see it..

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:53 am EST

J Moore on ice today.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/02/flyers-gm-hextall-why-del-zotto-went-off-the-rails-with-rangers/

RF4L


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:18 am EST

Dunno if anyone posted this link from the NY Post with Hackstall talking about MDZ but it's very much like some of us have theorized: MDZ apparently went off the rails because he liked the NYC nightlife too much. Hackstall doesn't implicitly say that but it's without a doubt implied. I concur that the Flyers will have made a bargain signing if MDZ has 1) put that stuff behind him and 2) is able to concentrate on hockey and rebuild his confidence. I don't begrudge the Rangers trading him - Klein was a decent return for a guy who Nashville didn't bother to attempt to resign. My only criticism of the Rangers with regards to MDZ was having him turn pro at 19. He wasn't ready. Has Sather learned his lesson on this practice? Methinks no based on the rumours that he pressured Skjei to turn pro this summer.

RF4L


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:08 am EST

Miller's in camp early this year, that's better positioning! He's going to have to play really well to make this team. Was trying to game out the camp battles by open position. Again, many of these guys are versatile but I see JT, Malone and maybe Lombardi battling for Puliot's LW spot, (though I think it should go to Kreider and they find Step-Nash a new wing.) Lindberg-Lombardi at 3C and I think Stempniak goes right to Dorsett's spot, 4th RW. I think thats where Hayes amd Haggerty see their shot, and either guy should be an automatic offensive upgrade over DD. If Kristo is a center now I don't see where he gets a realistic chance to make the team. Its why I think a deal is still very possible after camp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:53 am EST

RABID - Great on JT..but quickness has never been a problem...Smarter and "in position" are the words I want to hear!..

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:12 am EST

In the past I was a severe critic of the paste and match approach that attempted to fit a name in a position that required a different skill set. We labored for a long time with no coherent system that matched the players brought on board. Last years success was as much about a team that was put together with complimentary pieces . AV wants to play a particular style and put players in place that can play that style. It was IMO the major reason we went to the finals. I look at the off season moves and I anticipate more success. The outlook is optimistic with reasons to feel that way. AV knows Glass very well and I am sure he knows how he fits and if he doesn't he will be replaced. I am betting he fits and adds something to the overall strength of the team .If nothing more than a invitation to dance with Prust for his conduct in the playoffs is in the cards I will be a happy camper.

gene_carr


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:55 am EST

There is no update on the contract status of RFA John Moore. (Newsday) Jeff Gorton said recently that he thought that the Rangers would have Moore signed. Moore is expected to sign a bridge deal around his qualifying offer of $850,000.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:36 am EST

Zippay also says Miller looks quicker & sharper than last year. fwiw.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:32 am EST

Rumblings continue NYR have interest in Malone PTO if his legal issues wrapped up per Newsday.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:36 pm EST

Totally NYStranger. Maybe more than stats its who fits what they're trying to accomplish? Not just as players but as people? That's why I'm excited to see a guy like Lombardi, playing in Swiss league obscurity, and they go get him. Sure budgetary constraints had something to do with it, but it feels right at this stage not to just plug in the best numbers guy to fill a spot. They've been tracking the guy, like him, talked with him, seems like a good fit. Let's see!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:21 pm EST

Rabid..just like looking at a player and his stats, successes, failures, with one team can mean little when that players goes to another team. So much depends on line-mates, ice time, systems, coaches, changes in personal life in the new city. You name it.

NYStranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:12 pm EST

I should just clarify a bit on the C & F stuff, having rebounded from a mostly liquid lunch LOL.In general I'm all for anything that leads to a greater understanding of the game. Yes, I do think the premises of some of these metrics, as I understand them, are flawed. I look at them like any other stat. When they're extreme, they're probably telling you something. Not much more or less. A few weeks ago TD & I were talking about GWGs, and he rightly pointed out they don't often mean dick. You get the 4-0 goal, the other team scores 3, you get credit, but its not the crunch time goal the stat header suggests. they're all like that, even goals. How many times do you see a guy make a tremendous play and a guy gets a tap-in goal, and let's not kid ourselves, the goals are worth the big bucks. But there's no differential for a primary or secondary assist, because again the game isn't like some others sports where everything can be measured. That said, didn't want to slam C & F who I'm sure had good, hockey-based intentions. For me, I trust my eyes. Try haven't let me down yet. But bearing in mind even I and a viewing audience don't get to see everything sitting at home, when so much happens behind he play. But you'd best believe the team is looking at aerial views, scouting, rink-wide views, when they're assessing a player like a Tanner Glass or anyone else. They shoot all that stuff for a reason.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:16 pm EST

MF, ditto....Joan had a good life, Robin Im still in shock over. Loved them both. Admire anyone who can spread the laughter.

WIOSA


Thu Sep 4 2014 8:56 pm EST

All I can add is that if our season hinges on Tanner Glass then we are in a f@ckload of trouble. Which IMNSHO we are not. I like most of of what our brainless trust has done this off season. The odds are against another trip to the finals THIS year but who knows and I think in the long run we are going to have a very good team to watch the next few seasons. And another really good shot at the Cup will be in our near future. This team is not perfect but the core seems to be very solid for the foreseeable future. And screw Pittsburg ... Just had to say it!

NYStranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 8:31 pm EST

May the "Glass" be half full, Salute'.....

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 7:16 pm EST

The Summer of Love! And afraid to say it, but actually have some hope for Glass. They hand-selected this guy and even got into some bidding over him, and the brass has been pretty good. So lets wish him buona fortuna....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 6:58 pm EST

Wow! Didn't mean to stir the Glass; so to speak! My Paisano could not have said it better, with stats even! Damn Rabid, maybe I gotta give you a chance like my boy KIS.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Sep 4 2014 4:00 pm EST

RHET - Yes, huge difference..RUPP couldn't skate and couldn't hit..He just cruised and got in an occsiaonal fight,...GLASS is a totally different player

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:58 pm EST

TDCHI _ I wasn't crazy with the GLASS signing and I don't like it for three years andthe amount..but how is a guy who skated 13 minutes a night for PITTT, killed penalties (even if badly), had 7 fights to protect his teams and was FIFTH in the LEAGUE amiongst Forwards with 247 hits a marginal 4th liner.......Is CHRIS NEIL a Marginal 4th liner (same points, basically less hits)........And it's off to capmpare him with a BOOGAARD or a BRASHEAR....those were heavyweights who could do nothing but figh other goons...Did you see how many and who Glass fought last year? similar tough players and 4th liners like Neil and Clutterbick...The guys was signed as an energy palyer/hitter/team guy...not a goon..Was it the best use of the money? Proabalby not..But he will liekly be a solid 4th liner and the toughest player the Rangers have up front-----by far..Guy has his work cut out for him,..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:52 pm EST

Too many typos to correct! Fuckin phone.sry for the cussin, the altar boys with the virgin ears. Youse hear about the two altar boys rolling around in the snow with no pants on? The priest said he wanted a couple of cold ones after mass.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:50 pm EST

Hospo.... Both players were brought in to be a physical presence, that's the only real comparison I was making. When we signed Mike Rupp he was 31 years old(Glass will be 31 in Nov), Rupp came off seasons were he had 181 and 198 hits with Pittsburgh. Glass had 247 and 125 his last two seasons there. When it comes down to it, Is there really that much of a difference between the two players?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:47 pm EST

RR: IMO there's a place for C and F but it's certainly not the be all to end all given what you cite. I do believe it's equally foolish to dismiss it, however.

RF4L


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:46 pm EST

AV likes Glass, meaning he'll get his fair share of 4th line minutes I suspect. For me if he hits consistently and generates energy it's equal to what DD did (or Carcillo).

RF4L


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:45 pm EST

Id like to find Corsi & Fenwick and bang there heads together for fueling some of the nimrods who dont STFU about it. A guy on your line fails an easy clearing pass, you get a demerit. Dtupid fucking shit. Hockey is not a gamr that lends itself to micro statistical analysis. There's too much going on, and everything that happens affects every other fuckin thing. He's a radical concept; lets WATCH the motherfucker first. Is he breakin his ass? Stickin up for teammates? Blocking shots and most of allslsmming our fucking enemies every chance, which we DESPERATELY need? If do, welcome aboard! If not, we havr about a fozen guys foaming for that spot.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:34 pm EST

And on GLASS...unless he turns out to be Carcillo-Plus, we got a guy who is a marginal fourth liner who has bounced around four franchises over six years...truth is, if he were that important, one of them would have signed him two a three-year deal the Rangers gave him...they didn't...Glass will make $50k less than Dom MOORE...and will likely earn MORE than John MOORE...He got a $350k raise over his Pittsburgh salary...and that's still $700k more than the Rangers should be paying for someone of his ilk. We'll see what happens...maybe he shocks us all...but I'm squarely with Rhet0ric here...no way to slice this any other way than a bad signing...the heir apparent to a long legacy of thugs Brashear...Boogaard(RIP)...Rupp...Asham...and now Glass.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:28 pm EST

TDCHI - Exactly- and why I call BS on the Pitt Blogger fans putting him down....Something about a guy that throws about 4 HITS A GAME that wants me to give him a chance before burying him based on the opinion of some Penguin fans..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:26 pm EST

RHET - So maybe he's a 4th liner that was asked to do too much? Maybe he shpould just be skating, hitting, protecting, providing energy, which eh seems awful good at..and what the rangers need...I won't ignoonre that internet wahoo bloggers opinion but it means little to me...There were others that were positive about him also....And again, you have a HEAD CAOCH that really wanted him....That says more to me then what Internet dweebs say..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:22 pm EST

Guys, let's call a spade a spade here: Pittsburgh fans are a bunch of drooling troglodytes... total bone-brained morons. They're like Philly fans...only stupider. I'd take anything from them with a gigantic, boulder-sized grain of salt.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:21 pm EST

RHET - GLASS played 67 GAMES for the PENS LAST YEAR and had 250 HITS...Schmuckhead Rupp played 81 GAMES over the last THREEE YEARS with about 120 HITS..Dos that sound like the same player to you????

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:17 pm EST

Hospo... WWW.Pensburgh.com had this to say about Tanner Glass' 2013-14 season... "Tanner Glass was really, really bad this year. His numbers at even strength don't lie. First, we can look at the goal-based metrics. At even strength, Glass had the third-lowest points/60 among regular forwards and had the second-worst goals/60 among the same group. And to top it all off, he had the second-worst GF% on the team this year. In fact, he was so bad at outscoring the opposition that his GF% ranks 347th out of 375 forwards who played 41 or more games this year "...."His performance on the PK was equally ugly. He was second-worst on the Penguins at limiting shots against while shorthanded, true for both fenwick and corsi measurements. And when it came to giving up goals while a man down, the only thing that saved Glass from being last in this category as well was an abnormally high save percentage from Marc-Andre Fleury." ....http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/6/9/5785870/2013-14-season-in-review-tanner-glass

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:15 pm EST

Rhet- he's not a goon, and he's definitely not Rupp. He can handle minutes and his hits stats tell the story.

Messier11


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:15 pm EST

So did most NY Ranger fans on here...

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:06 pm EST

PA.... Pittsburgh fans said pretty much the same thing about Mike Rupp.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:05 pm EST

pa.rangersfans.. Unfortunately, he might be the only Ranger that plays like that this year...!! Guys skates and hits..bring him on..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:02 pm EST

RHET - I really don't know who this KUKLA character is, but I 'm interested to hear what FRAN and OLLIE have to say......At the least, that stuff from his is dated...Glass scored 13 points for the Penguins last year and played 13 minutes a night and played 3rd pair PK along with leading the team in hits and fight..What the hell else is a 4th liner to do??...And, when he was scratcehd last year in the POs, many Pitt observers felt that Bylsma made a huge mistake in taking his hard worrk and energy off of the team....He inserted him in the last two games but it was too late.....Again, I LOVED what CARCILLO dod for the Rangers last year and think he deserved a return......And I am no huge fan of GLASS...But, having BOTH of them ounds the best to me and I don';t understand the dog piling on the guy..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:59 pm EST

Was at a gathering recently and spoke to a friend who is a big Penguins fan. I asked him if Glass was a bum since "my" fanpage (The Wall), was killing the signing. He told me "we" will love the guy. An all-heart type of player who leaves it all on the ice. Just sayin.'

pa.rangersfan


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:56 pm EST

TD.... What I understood is that we didn't get Ryan because we refused to part with Chris Kreider.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:53 pm EST

I come back for the first time in three weeks and see Kovalev mentioned as a tryout??? What, did Nedved have his cellphone turned off? Kevin Stevens out of town?

Nick


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:47 pm EST

Vic/Rhet - Another crucial point about CARCILLO v. GLASS...Carcillo will probably sign for half as much as Glass and for one year...better player, better deal, better everything...and that description of Glass from Kukla's Korner..MAN...does that not sound a lot like what Derek BOOGARD was for the Rangers...Only Boo was an intimidating force...my prediction with Glass is that we suffer through 50 or 60 games of him this season, he gets benched by the playoff run and by next season he'll be moved/bought out/sent on a barge destined for some distant port...bad signing...no doubt...Glass<Dorsett<Carcillo, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:39 pm EST

mf - I think the ship has sailed on Bobby RYAN...They pulled the anchor after the NASH deal and set a course for open seas when he was dealt to the Sens...I read something recently that both Ryan and the Sens see a long future for him in Ottawa...No doubt, with the trade of SPEZZA, that team is retooling a bit...I don't think they'll challenge for the cup or the playoffs...but in a year or two? They've got some nice prospects...and there's a good chance Ryan ends up with the C over there...it's his team for once and he's playing second fiddle to no one...the saddest part about the RYAN trade is that absent the NASH trade, we could have EASILY ponied up what the Sens gave for him...Hell, we could have given them ANISIMOV, MILLER and the first in the Nash deal and Ryan would be in a blueshirt...but absent a time machine, I don't think it's ever gonna happen. Wish it would. I'd trade Nash for him straight up. Hell, I'd even throw in a prospect too.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:32 pm EST

Count me in as one who would rather have CARCILLO then GLASS. CARCILLO is a hockey player. He may not be a heavy weight fighter but I trust him out on the ice to add something to the team and not be a liability. He proved he could play last year.

Vic


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:30 pm EST

RIP Joan Rivers, you made a lot of people smile & happy.... also: RIP Robin Williams

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:18 pm EST

MF.... Based on everything I've read, he's happy in Ottawa.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:16 pm EST

Rabid,,, Year after year I'm positive about Sather's questionable signings. I usually have a wait and see attitude. No More, I'm done. He makes the same mistake almost every year and it's never worked out.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:15 pm EST

BobbyRyan: I'm hopeful the guy tells the Senastors that he doesn't want to wait for the Senators to become a playoff competitor and tells them he's not re-signing with them... We're gonna have to over-pay in terms of prospects because they're gonnna shop him hard (no NMC/NTC) & we need them to eat some of his salary (they have $14m in cap space "with" Ryan on their books) this year... AON, Next year in all likelihood, we'll have to move Nash unless the Rogers contract pays handsomely enough to raise the cap substantially, and we're not in a world war 3 (and unfortunately, I'm not joking). ....... Everythings for sale at a price...

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:06 pm EST

RIP Joan Rivers. Rough month for comedians.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:01 pm EST

Re: Dan Boyle's number 22...can just hear that conversation...Boyle: "Wow...you guys got my jersey made quickly...Thanks!" Rangers: "No problem. We have extras too." Boyle: "Just one thing...um...they're a little big." Rangers:"Big? Well, what do you mean?" Boyle: "Uh...this jersey comes down to my knees...and kind of looks like Paul Bunyan wore it before...and it smells too...there's even some dried blood on the sleave" Rangers: "Don't worry...they shrink in the wash..."

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:59 pm EST

I've never seen a player bashed as much as Glass having never pulled the sweater on. Not just here.in most here are pretty level headed people ( I might be the most uneven LOL) The advance metric stats guys elsewhere have just been KILLING this guy from the getgo. I can't do that. have to hope the other teams that were after him & AV liking him prove out. And if he sucks, well, then its open season.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:52 pm EST

schneidw- totally agree..tks

cnparda


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:45 pm EST

MF... JMO, but the only chance we have of getting Bobby Ryan is if the Sens can't re-sign him and he comes here as an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:19 pm EST

Hospo... Many people consider Glass the worst player in the NHL.... Per Kukla's Korner.... "Tanner Glass is one player who doesn't belong on a team as good as Pittsburgh. He managed only two points all season but played every regular season game. Come playoff time, he was scratched in all but five playoff games. When the games got important, Pittsburgh realized that he was a liability. Despite that he is signed for next season. It will be interesting if Pittsburgh plays him regularly next season. Glass is your typical example of a player who is ineffective and still playing. He is a hard working, fan favorite that his teammates like who has been totally ineffective. It is hard to scratch popular player who works hard regardless of how much of a liability he is. A player like Tanner Glass shouldn't be in the NHL. Even in his best season, he had never done better than five goals and 16 points. The typical "replacement player" would be more valuable than Tanner Glass."

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:06 pm EST

I think we need to figure out who has a prayer of a future with the NY Rangers & who does not... Guys like Kristo, Mc-ill-knee, Fast, Bourque, Allen, Lindburg, JTMiller, etc..... & start packaging & trading up for fewer but "more attractive" players... Then take that a step further & trade one more time for a top six player....... There are plenty of players around to restock the farm........ There are four / five seriously good teams to beat this season: L.A., Chicago, Anaheim, St.Louis, perhaps Tampa Bay, and I'd venture to say that we all want to win the whole enchalada this year.... I'm specifically talking Bobby Ryan....... Fitting it under the Cap is going to be tricky..... LW: Bobby ryan, Kreider, Hagelin, Ryan Malone... Center: Stepan, Brassard, John Moore, and whoever... RW: Nash, Zucc, MSL, and whoever..... That leaves us 1 center slot to fill, and 1 RW slot to fill.... Our defense is obviously set, and we have the King/Prince tandem in the net ..... Thats a lineup that can compete with any of those five or six teams, and handle the physical side of the game as well.....

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:54 pm EST

RHET - If so, I will soon learn to hate him! :) but I get the feeling that he is a little better skater, hitter (lead the Pens while Rupp jut kinda roamed) and can kill some penalties (3rd pair),...Again, not a player I would have targeted, but hopefully AV knows what he's doing here..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:39 pm EST

or worse, he could have a glass chin.... ;-)

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:37 pm EST

Hospo... Glass is Mike Rupp 2.0

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:31 pm EST

RHET/TDCHI - I too would have liked to have kept Carcillo around...I honestly don't mind Glass..He's tougher and a better fighter than the human punching bags names Dorsett and Carcillo and I will give AV the benefit of the doubt because this was obviously a player he wanted...I would have just liked a little more toughness in addition to Glas..and I don't mean Nick Tarnaksy...Even with Glass, this team has little protection and menace...If Glass gets hurt, they have ZERO...

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:19 pm EST

Messier11... How well have we done with signing goons over the years? I also don't care about winning fights, I only care about winning games. I'd much rather have an agitator than a goon.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:36 am EST

gonna be weird seeing BOYLE 22 flying up from blue line

Messier11


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:34 am EST

I too didn't understand Glass signing at first. But his numbers/fight card were better than Carcillos and Dorsetts. Should be an improvement.

Messier11


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:56 am EST

And Hospo, Gilbert was everything to me growing up. People forget but the 3 years before his contract trouble, slow start and ultimate retirement, he had point goals of 75, 86, and 97!!! All of which would have led last years Rangers by a mile. It was a different time and he was heartbroken, but he should have demanded a trade(or agreed to one, as Ferguson was apparently trying to manufacture) and come back when that asshole was gone. Lousy ending, and always wondered what No. 7 would have been had he not broken his back and nearly had a leg amputated. That man is ROYALTY to me.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:49 am EST

Ranger47-if memory serves-AK27's clutch goal in game 6 near end of 2nd period cut the Dev's lead in half to 2-1. They were up 2-0, completely bottling up the NYR in neutral zone with 4 D across the blueline-daring the Rangers to dump, only for Uncle Daddy to bang out of the zone. Things looked hopeless. I remember Keenan moved him to Mess' RW for offense late in 2nd (he was 2nd line center, but sometimes Iron Mike would stack the first line). Mess dropped it to AK, who faked a slapper and then walked in a few more steps mear the top of the circle, backing in the D, and fired it past fatso. Never will I forget that game, o game 7 in that series and Vancouver. Best year ever.

puckyou


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:39 am EST

Yeah, and for those keeping score at home, for Fast that's 3 number changes and one name change.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:37 am EST

I'm a bit surprised the Rangers didn't save #12 for Hayes. New Ranger numbers.... Michael Kostka: 4 ; Matthew Lombardi: 45; .Dan Boyle: 22; Tanner Glass: 15; Lee Stempniak: 12; Jesper Fast will switch from 12 to 91.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:36 am EST

Don't disagree TD. Especially in light of Malone's tryout. We'd all love Malone in his prime, 6-4/25-goal beast. But he hasn't been that player for some time, and its a real question if he ever will be again. Carcillo was acclimated here, played physical, is younger AND was scoring some BIG goals for this team.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:31 am EST

puckyou: Don't know if you ever heard this, but in an interview Kovalev said that when he was being left out there on the ice for so long (as punishment) he was thinking "I must be doing really well because the coach is giving me extra ice time"! :) Many people forget that without that key late (game tying?) Kovalev goal, there would not have been the Messier hat trick to win that game 6 against the Devils.

Ranger47


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:24 am EST

I already regret signing Glass. There's always a Sather head scratcher every season and this is the latest in a long line of them. Trading Dorsett to keep Carcillo made sense. Trading Dorsett to sign Glass, not so much.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:36 am EST

RR - I have a feeling that's something we're going to come to regret...

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:06 am EST

Carcillo - Pens tryout

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:04 am EST

I agree with most of the sentiment on AK27. One of my all time favorite Rangers and one of the most skilled players I ever saw. If GRETZKY had AK27's body and physical ability he could have scored 400 points in a season. Like others, when the topic comes up I remind everyone about game 6 against the Devils. It was a performance I will never forget because two guys made it possible. First, RICHTER kept the team in the game by standing on his head and making incredible save after incredible save early in the game. The second half of the game was an unforgettable performance by AK27. He came out and destroyed the Devils' NZT all by himself. After that series some Devil players were asked about that game. They all agreed that they had the Rangers beat. They had them shut down and bottled up. The Rangers could do nothing against them.....until AK27 took it upon himself to beat the NZT on his own. The Devils simply couldn't stop him and it turned the game around. There are very few players in the history of the league who had that kind of ability. It is unfortunate that he didn't have the hockey sense or a mind for the game that matched his physical ability. It is unfortunate that he never found the consistency in his game to make him an elite player throughout his career. He had some terrific years (especially with the PENS) but he also had some pedestrian years.

Vic


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:02 am EST

TDCHI - You know I also love MILLER's combo of size, skill and grit and I oh so bad wabt it to be there in NY consisitently...But, so far, with his 10 cent Brain and what has seemed like some off ice attitude/effort issues, it just hasn't translated...Of course he should beat out a guy like MUELLER .....BUt IMO, I don't think he should or will beat out guys like LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK and I really only see him fighting for ONE spot.over guys like Mueller, Fast, Hayes,,,But who knows if Malone enters the question...He should win it but is far fom a lock given his past in NY..all in MWO of course.

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 7:56 am EST

RR: I hope you're right on MZA. On Staal, IMO it's imperative that he be moved before the deadline if contract talks are going nowhere. First off, he's a top 4 defenseman and those don't exactly grow on trees, so losing him next summer for nothing is downright foolish. Secondly, too many high draft picks have been squandered lately - if you're gonna lose a top 4 d-man you'd better get something to help address that back. A first rounder must be included in any deal involving Staal (plus a top prospect and a young established player).

RF4L


Thu Sep 4 2014 7:49 am EST

AK27 was one of the most talented players to ever lace them up. I saw his first exhibition game at MSG-I think he was 19, skinny, but you could see at first glimpse the kid had mad skills-he was a thoroughbred. He could dangle in a phone booth. He shot weighted pucks to build his wrister growing up-had a great skating stride, and grew to be quite strong. He could bring people out of their seats.He may have had the skill of a Pavel Bure, maybe not as speedy-but not near the brain or hockey IQ. Mike Keenan reigned him in- gave him tough love-kept him on the ice for almost the entire 2nd period of a game once when he overstayed his shift. But Colin Campbell didn't know how to handle him-it seemed he never really liked the Russian players (ran Zubov out of town also-jackass move), and his confidence went down as trade rumors surfaced. I still say he was one of the top 5 core of the '94 team(Leetch, Richter,Mess, Graves)-maybe top 3 He scored some big goals that year in the playoffs. If he never scores that first goal at the end of 2nd period in game 6 in NJ-Messier's prediction never comes true.

puckyou


Thu Sep 4 2014 6:00 am EST

AK27 that guy was single handedly one of the top 3 talents of the 90s his mind just wasn't always running in synch with his talent. I remember a game during the 97-98 season where kovy decided for one reason or another he was going to kill off 3/4 of the pk all by himself. He played keep away from 1:30 and made guys look like they were skating in quicksand deking guys pulled a spin o Rama it was just an awesome display of skating and puck handling. When he was on it was insane and his shot was a canon not surprised he's skating h used to play house league hockey and pick up hockey at Chelsea

York18


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:08 am EST

Guys, the other thing some of you are missing with these contracts is that they're a two-way street. Take POULIOT for example...the guy got his payday...something he wasn't going to get here...ever...had he broken down and signed a contract in February, he'd be locked in probably at $3 million per...probably even less. There's a very good chance he didn't WANT to sign...with STAAL, the Rangers need to lock him up...plain and simple...I could almost guarantee the awesome resurrection of STRALMAN'S career levels off and plummets back to earth now that he's not with a guy who covers his ass all the time...Staal is a beast....even when he's got a bum eye and his concussion history, he's a beast...The ONLY reason he's not a first pairing defenseman is because the Rangers have another beast who is even better in McDONAGH...The Rangers losing Staal would be a huge setback...I've seen nothing out of John MOORE to suggest he could jump in Staal's shoes....and for GIRARDI being the next Rozy...well...I just don't get that...those three need to be kept at all costs...the rest can get swapped out, traded or let go...but McDonagh, Staal and Girardi? They're second, third and fourth most important on the team behind LUNDQVIST.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:01 am EST

Hospo - Certainly everything is merit-based...and if a guy like MUELLER beats out MILLER in camp? Sure. Send the kid to Hartford...but I think the odds of that happening are pretty slim...I keep saying this: JT looked great in those games right before he went down. He was looking like he belonged....and if he plays like that in camp, then yes, he deserves a spot, plain and simple...I would also say this: There are VERY few guys on the Rangers' roster that bring the combination of size, skill and grit that he does. Pretty much KREIDER is the only other forward that has those three things. I would say at this point, a roster spot is Miller's to lose...AV jammed a verbal cattle prod to him last winter and he responded they way a young player should.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:55 am EST

I love AK27, but I just can't see him getting a tryout. Maybe one like NEDVED did a few years back...but the guy called it a day with Florida and I guess that was basically because they mutually decided he just couldn't hack it. Now granted, that was the lockout...and maybe Kovy wasn't in shape...but sitting out a year? And let's face it: Unlike some of these other 40-something guys who keep contributing, Kovalev never really did have a good two-way game...I just can't see the stars aligning in a way that he'd make the Rangers...maybe he does something like FLEURY did a few years back...skates with the team through camp just to say goodbye to the Garden...seems to me the guy always thought of himself as a Ranger...and still does. Shame he didn't reach that conclusion before resigning with Montreal all those years ago...Kovy on the 2005-2006 Rangers would have been something else.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:15 am EST

MF - MIller IS due but IMO He doesn't deserve jack....There are so many NHL calibre players and NHL ready players that the spots should go to players that earn it in camp...be it JT, Fast, Hayes, Stemp, Lombardi, Malone..I still see the vets coming out on top.....RABID - Yeah, AK27 isn't my type of players but there is always one really skilled player that I just end up loving because their talent(s) are so good and I can also handle and chuckle at their mistakes because I know thier heart and effort is in it 100%...ROD GILBERT was my all time fave..The skating and slapshot.....I was an instant fan of AK27 first becuase of the god given talent and stickhanlding..then there was MARC SAVARD and his passing....Kinda lime KREIDER and MZA niw..and some others

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 11:04 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/bruins-sign-david-krejci-for-six-years-commit-to-the-core-and-another-stanley-cup/

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:39 pm EST

Hospo: IMO JT Miller is due and deserves a spot on the big club.. Kevin Hayes should join Hartford for some top line minutes and intense acclimation & observation within the NYRanger's organization to be prepared for a call-up.... AON, I'd like to see Ryan Malone make an impression and force Tanner Glass to be traded... I'm not overly concerned or pissed that we signed Glass to $1.45 for three years, because things developed afterward and now he could be expendable.... Is he gone yet? :-) ........

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:35 pm EST

Hospo , didnt know you were such an Alexei fan. Kinda surprised actually. Thought you preferred more of a blue collar type. I always liked Kovalev but man could he gum up the works, drive you fucking batty. The whole team is heading north-south and Alex gets determined to beat a certain forechecker for what ever reason and starts swirling LOL, man it gets ugly. Ain't got time for that now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:27 pm EST

I don't like the Girardi contract and see him becoming Rozsival Part Deux in the near future.. The contract is at least one year too long, 6 years remaing on a 30 yr old... I confess that I checked out Kevin Kleins TOI to see if he could log Girardi's minutes... RE; STAAL.. I'm on the fence about Staal, could see us offering him a 5 yr $5.5mill deal which would match & carry him through Girardi's term... I don't think any of our kids can fill in for Staal, the closest may be John Moore, and then look to promote a kid to the 3rd pairing Left Side.... I think it may be easier to replace Girardi than Staal.... In any event, theres only so much dough to go around......

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:20 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - - What I meant by my comment was that I might have gone a little bigger or physical with one of my forward aqusitions...However, it seems like Sather and AV are going for a faster, quicker, more skilled and flexible forward set..and who am I to argue?..Given that plan, I really like the signings of guys like LOMBARDI and STEMP...MALONe would only make it better......KOVALEV even more!!! The more veterans the more likel ythe kids start in Hartford where just about every one of them belongs or could use a few months............BRING ON AK27 baby!!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:20 pm EST

I forgot to add John Moore's name as a guy who could THEORETICALLY move up in 2015-16. The coaches already love him. He will need a big step up in play & consistency to give them the confidence to let a Marc Staal walk. But again, Moore at a million a year or Staal locked in for another 4-5 years and tens of millions more on the books, its worth the wait & see. If I'm Sather now I have Nash, Staal, Girardi and maybe a few more guys on the wait-n-see list for next year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:05 pm EST

RF, Zuccarello has supposedly been given assurances he is next in line for a long term deal. That was the tradeoff for signing a one year contract and given us some cap relief, not that they don't want to lock him up anyway. It cant be announced until Jan 15 but I'm sure they have some parameters in place. God knows I've differed with Sather on personnel (and coaches!!), but contracts are the one area I have a lot of faith in him, and like the way he conducts it. Sure people can cheap shot him on Gomez and Drury contracts, but in the cap era IDK what else he should have done. The only time the club has strength in negotiating is with RFAs. You have to squeeze them. The players know. They get their revenge as UFAs. Just look at 3 guys we gave BIG chances to in Puliot, Boyle, and Stralman. They all bolted for bigger bucks first chance (there were some extenuating circumstances). Now Staal is another case where I think caution is required. Callahan, Girardi, Hank, and Staal were the big 4 unsigned going into last hear.Lundqvist was I believe an exception in that they thought he could lose his mind, and thusly they'd lose the season, if they didn't lock him up. I hate the contract but I get it. Girardi they gave a market deal, really under market a bit, but they can move that contract. Cally they cut loose. But Staal not only has a spotty injury record, but there is a legit question if the Skjeis and Allen's can step up next year, 2015-2016. If so, you can't be locked into so many long term deals, paying a Staal 4-6/$24-36m, when a 1st or 2nd year pro can be had for 800k. The cap means you need to be extra crafty, not that we aren't better WITH Marc Staal. It was very obvious how quickly the D became wobbly without him last year. But I can't blame Sather just yet. If Staal allows his contract situation to affect his play, that's on Marc Staal. Sorry so long-winded, these things are complicated as I see them.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:54 pm EST

schneidw: Sather & the Brass were semi-handcuffed which "thankfully" limited their moves... There were higher priorities than Pouliot which had to be addressed first before the NYR's could think of extending him an offer.. Pouliot was somewhat of journeyman until landing with us, and things clicked for him here, enough so that Edmonton paid full retail for his services.. He puts up decent numbers for a season, and gets offered a contract we'd never match.. Next up, signing or contemplating what to do with Staal, Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Talbot, MSL, and Sather & Co are still going to find themselves semi-handcuffed..... IMO, I believe will resign MSL after this season & NASH will be moved.........

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:26 pm EST

Alex Kovalev is a bad memory. The blight of the 94 cup IMHO, he drove me to insanity....and that was in his "good year" the following years had me speaking in foreign tongues. I could NOT stand that player.

WIOSA


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:17 pm EST

schneidw: Agreed - I've posted on here about my displeasure/confusion over how Sather appears to approach resigning pending free agents. I get it if they are restricted, but pending unrestricted? Makes no sense. Other than the King, he appears to be consistent - it's a privilege to play for me and the New York Rangers; therefore, I'll wait to you come to me. Staal will be yet another, along with someone who's arguably equally important: MZA. I find it indefensible.

RF4L


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:06 pm EST

TD- only ones from that list remotely close to cracking Blues roster are Hakanpaa and Binnington. And that'd take some serious injuries.

Messier11


Wed Sep 3 2014 8:38 pm EST

CNPARDA- Holiday weekend right? I would think sooner the better...

schneidw


Wed Sep 3 2014 8:37 pm EST

JFC/Hospo- Curious what player moves you would have done differently than Sather... I don't understand the mindset of waiting until the season ends and player becomes UFA like Pioulliot whom was excellent during the 2nd half of season and contributed ALOT to NYR forecheck and net crashing. That is my biggest gripe..why not sign him during the season? Otherwise,i am OK w losing the other players... I sure hope they sign Staal... NYRs do not need the media distraction of Staal being asked about his contract every city they play... it will get in his head for sure...

schneidw


Wed Sep 3 2014 8:01 pm EST

Long time no post. Quick question for the experts. I am taking the family to the Rangers game against Philthy for the Nov 29-day game. Is it better to buy tix through the tickets now website or wait till the rangers open the tickets up? I think I know the answer but want to verify. Thanks guys!

cnparda


Wed Sep 3 2014 7:53 pm EST

Didn't expect to be commenting on Alexei Kovalev. If it were a legit tryout, I'd feel bad if he didn't make it - and worse if he did. Always really liked him, and his aw shucks comments don't fool me. Wtf is he doin there? Just out for a skate? With the SC finalists? Yeah right. He probably sees Jagr and expansion and our offensive- minded coach figures he may have a few years left after all. If not here maybe someone notices him. But seriously, how many vets are our kids going to have to fight through to make this team?

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 7:18 pm EST

MF... In regard to Moore.... My guess is that the Rangers are trying to squeeze as much money out of John Moore as they can to give themselves more cap space. It's not completely fair, but it could be the difference between the team keeping a 7th defenseman or not. There is also still a chance that Malone picks the Rangers. He was a former teammate of Dom Moore, MSL and Kostka. Maybe that has some sway with him. We'll see ....TD.... I would give AK27 a camp invite.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 3 2014 6:59 pm EST

Do NOT tease me with these Kovalev rumors!!! I beg you..One of my fav Rangers of all time...I even loved his brain farts and fuck ups!!! Big NICK would love to see old PILOT BOY also! Man..old times....But seriously, stay retired Alex!! Man, he was a beast in the 94 POs (and other times)!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 6:52 pm EST

Had a buddy who saw AK27 at MSG against the Habs..said he looked like he was in great shape...Hated both times AK was traded...especially the second time, because we ultimately got squat for him. Imagine him and JAGR on a team together...oh wait...I guess that would be the 2000-2001 Penguins.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 6:34 pm EST

Don't count out Alexei Kovalev just yet ..... Asked if he is trying to make a comeback, Kovalev said “I wish that was the case but, I don’t think anyone would be interested in me. It’s just fun, I miss the ice. I love to play hockey and sometimes when I have a chance to play, it doesn’t matter, it’s just going out there and having fun. Today and yesterday was fun to see some of the young guys, the young talent and what they are capable of and it’s always a learning process and maybe you pass on some things to some kids. It’s just fun to be out there.” (Rangers) On seeing the banner from 1994, Kovalev said, “It tells me how old I am, it seems to me like yesterday. Once in a while I watch the video of game seven against Vancouver and game six and seven against New Jersey. Those times were fun and I wish to bring them back and all you can do is watch them and enjoy them and show your kids.” (Rangers)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 3 2014 5:36 pm EST

To E and HamiltonHellHound if you're lurking out there...Check your email. Open the e-vite. Follow enclosed instructions please...post haste!

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 4:33 pm EST

mf - re: JOHANSEN... ZERO way they trade him. Kid is a beast...he's a center...and he's 22. They got the cap space, but would rather not jack him up to $7 million per right now, and I can't blame them...RyJo will sign with Columbus. Question will be if he gets his payday now or next year.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 4:26 pm EST

Now if you want a craptacular TC roster, look no further than the Blues: Forwards Ivan Barbashev (2nd rd, 2014) Cody Beach (5th rd, 2010) Greg Betzold (Amateur tryout) Samuel Blais (6th rd, 2014) Chris Caissy (Amateur tryout) Jaedon Descheneau (5th rd, 2014) Jacob Doty (Signed as free agent) Robby Fabbri (1st rd, 2014) Justin Gutierrez (Amateur tryout) Kevin Hart (Professional tryout) Adam Helewka (Amateur tryout) Zach Pochiro (4th rd, 2013) Evan Polei (Amateur tryout) Ryan Tesink (6th rd, 2011) Yannick Veilleux (4th rd, 2011) C.J. Yakimowicz (6th rd, 2014) Defensemen Joel Edmundson (2nd rd, 2011) Jani Hakanpaa (4th rd, 2010) Petteri Lindbohm (6th rd, 2012) Luke Mercer (Amateur tryout) Santeri Saari (6th rd, 2013) Dmitrii Sergeev (Amateur tryout) Thomas Vannelli (2nd rd, 2013) Goaltenders Jordan Binnington (3rd rd, 2011) Niklas Lundstrom (5th rd, 2011)

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:39 pm EST

CBJ: Have they signed Johansen yet? yesterday I read that they are $3mill apart & it's looking like he's gonna be late for camp..... No way they want any part of Nash, but you can "bet your bippy" (Rowan & Martin's Laugh-in) my trade winds are blowin.......

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:36 pm EST

Ranger47 - I dunno...NASH got some heat in Columbus after that team failed to do anything really from the time he was drafted until the time he was traded...I certainly don't advocate booing any player wearing the colors...I don't blame fans for booing the goddamn powerplay...but I think in general, the Rangers slip into an interesting category where they're kind of insulated from criticism because NYC cares more about the Knicks and the Yankees than anything that happens in hockey...and from where I stand, I really don't think the Nash-bashing has been bad in the media, which is where a guy like him would hear it...certainly fans like myself are pissed...but to say he's getting treated badly in New York? Bah. I don't buy it. I mean, compare him to what Wade REDDEN faced...Redden basically got booed from midway through his first season until he was buried in Hartford...Nash, like I mentioned, gets a verbal handjob from NBC every time they air a Ranger game.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:30 pm EST

Wow. CBJ have a pretty kick-ass team going to Traverse City. I'd say at this point, they're the team to beat: FORWARD (14) – 53 Josh Anderson, 65 Oliver Bjorkstrand, 56 Marko Dano, 84 Mike Dipaolo*, 85 Kyle Hope*, 57 Sonny Milano, 67 Nick Moutrey, 79 Julien Pelletier, 75 Peter Quenneville, 52 Kerby Rychel, 45 Lukas Sedlak, 68 Markus Soberg, 49 T.J. Tynan, 41 Alexander Wennberg. DEFENSE (9) – 64 Dillon Heatherington, 62 Thomas Larkin, 82 Olivier Leblanc, 73 Isaac MacLeod*, 54 Austin Madaisky, 87 Marcus McIvor*, 86 Kevin Ryan*, 78 Blake Siebenaler, 89 Nick Walters*. GOALTENDER (2) – 31 Anton Forsberg, 35 Oscar Dansk.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:15 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - I would have done it differently but I still agree with you and think that Sather had a good positive off season for the position he was in....I like the vet aquisitions on the cheap and think they will all be important..A very flexible and fairly deep set of lines. vets and kids both..No matter way the Rangers go at the onset (I think it will be the vets) there should be insurance and trade chips for later on...

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:04 pm EST

schneidw after auto-correct = Schneider! Lol!

JFC31


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:03 pm EST

Schneider-- Sather looked like he actually had a plan this off-season and he deserves credit for it. Whether it works out or not remains to be seen, but it seems he wanted to improve the PP (Boyle) and he went the "interchangeable flock of,forwards " route. He's got a lot of redundancy, he signed experienced UFAs in hopes that they fit AVs system....he got speed, versatility and PK ability in those players....and he also got young players who have promise and help make up for loss of 1st round picks (I include Haggerty in there even though he was signed late last season). If there are injuries/trades, AV will still have players to plug any holes created. It seems that Sather wasn't just flying by the seat go his pants....he(and the rest of the staff) seems to gave thought it through and followed through. We'll see how it turns out, but he's earned his pay this summer AFAIAC.

JFC31


Wed Sep 3 2014 1:53 pm EST

SATHER OFFSEASON: I realize I am in the minority but I thought SATHER had a solid offseason...especially given the salary cap implications now and in the future.... I still think losing Stralman, Boyle and Richards will be negligible in terms of progress.... I did want Piouliot back however and was bummed he left but agree his contract is out of wack... Looks like next summer will be more of the same... SIGN STAAL ASAP. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2185141-ranking-the-nhl-teams-with-salary-cap-issues-beyond-2014-15/page/8

schneidw


Wed Sep 3 2014 1:23 pm EST

It soitently couldn't hoit! :^)

JFC31


Wed Sep 3 2014 1:12 pm EST

TD: While I share your pessimism. the fact is that in many other smaller cities they vocally support all ofl their players wearing the home team jersey regardless of how well they are playing (Your team and your guys are your guys so rally around them, especially if your payroll prevents you from bringing in other better guys).. So, I would suspect that it's highly likely that Nash never got booed or criticized in Columbus, especially not to the degree he's hearing it here in NY (albeit perhaps not undeserved).. Could be that if the NY fans were more vocally supportive of Nash it might help him mentally and confidence-wise to play better. Of course, in this city that is not going to happen....But he is what he is after his concussions and vocal criticism of him might be counterproductive to his results. I don;t give him a pass, but I'm also being realistic about what to expect a player in his condition and personality to do.....

Ranger47


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:57 am EST

mf - he needs to do more than just step away from the bong...try the crack pipe. And maybe the glue he's huffing. What a goddamn retard. Wait. Scratch that. It would be politically incorrect to liken retards to someone of his ilk. So if we cheer Nash on, he's going to suddenly pop out of his funk and be that all-star everyone knew he could be so many years ago? PUHLEASE...In fact, the only thing that sort of juiced the guy up was returning to Columbus to show up all the fans that were saying 'good riddance'...Nash's ego isn't the problem...it's that he simply isn't the all-star power forward he was billed to be in his draft year and when Howson was in the process of fleecing Sather. Look, I hope the guy proves me wrong. I'm REALLY hoping he does...but blowing sunshine up the guy's ass certainly ain't going to help. The morons at NBC do a good enough job of that already...and by the by...has anyone else notice that KREIDER has amass more points and goals than Nash in the same amount of playoff games? Ahh Rick Nash...the Rangers' enigma du jour.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:07 am EST

MF, Katie Strang said she was told Malone definitely still a possibility to accept PTO. One of the TB beat guys tweeted Malone had several offers, sounded like he'd decide soon. My guess is he's trying to figure what's best situation for him. We're probably the best team he could join, but he wants a job No. 1 and ours isn't the easiest lineup to crack. Whatever he decides, I'd think with guys skating already it happens soon.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:10 am EST

Any new news on JMoore? Capgeek showing $1,322,500.....JTMiller up, Fast,Hunwick,Kostka,Mueller down, frees up $1,765,000.....Any news on Ryan Malone?......Any news on contract talk with Staal. Step? We'll start getting news....

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 10:37 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/02/ryan-malone-impact-j-t-miller-new-york-rangers/

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 9:30 pm EST

This guy needs to, "Step away from the bong!" http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/thenyrblog-rick-nash-challenge.html

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 9:16 pm EST

McDonagh is a guy I WANT showing up last minute. Let him rest as much as possible. I didn't want Hank facing live ammo until Thanksgiving. I thin his competitive nature has him back and looking to get started, but mentally he carried as heavy a load as a goalie could last year. I hope AV is mindful of it and rotates he & Talbot well into the season. One more thing on Haggerty. Should have said, he'd be our top WING as a RHS. Kristo can still snipe form the middle naturally and Stepan ain't all that bad. BUT, here's the thing. As deep as this franchise is, we don't have a real sharpshooter. Kreider could be if he progresses. But a RHS can make some hay on the PP. and as much as we don't have many sniperS, we DO have some big-time playmakers. Our guys can really pass the puck, from Zuc to Step to Brass. Now if a guy like Haggerty finds some chemistry with one of them (assuming the rest of his games is in order) you could see a guy like Haggerty go from from a 17-goal scorer to 34 very easily. Could, would, should, who knows.... He's very young yet. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 8:51 pm EST

McDonagh is not leading from behind because he's not yet skating with his fellow teammates at what's not even an optional skate. That's like saying that Mark Messier led from behind every year he was a NY Ranger because he was never at the practice facility for early skates with his teammates. Brian Boyle and Brad Richards (among others) both worked out elsewhere before showing up to camp every year. Also, we don't know if guys are still nursing injuries or even just working out at the facility. The beat writers probably don't even know that.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 8:00 pm EST

Huge fan of HAGGERTY. Even mentioned him here before the signing came down the pike. I say this about the kid: He knows how to put the puck in the net. Has a nice, quick release that catches goalies off-guard. The rest of his game isn't flashy...and I've heard some grimacing about his speed...but that release and even better, the accuracy of his shot...that could really turn some heads in New York. I don't think he stands much of a chance of making the team this year, but he could end up on the roster sooner than later...I've said this about the kid...and it's something I've mentioned about MILLER too...but he's a guy who has gotten consistently better as the years have gone on...you look at his point and goal totals and it really tells you a lot about the effort he's spent to get to where he is...Last year, he was literally the go-to guy on RPI. Game plan was more or less get Haggerty in scoring position...get him the puck...let him fire away...here's a few great clips to whet your appetite before TC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQo5A6dE9Q

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:55 pm EST

Yeah MF. With Kristo moving to center (according to Clark) if Stemp doesnt regain his scoring touch from many moons ago, Haggerty becomes the top RHS sniper theyve got.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:35 pm EST

HAGGERTY also happens to be a RHS, could carry a little weight for the kid.. Ditto "court Jesper Fasth." ....... With all this sudden apparent depth, Stempniak shouldn't take his assignment as a lock..... jmonaturally

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:15 pm EST

Cant have a captain who leads from behind. And Im not talking about from the blue line. Has to set the example

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:05 pm EST

Yeah IDK TD; Id have my ass in there. Next few days id expect everyone to arrive. If we know who is there they should. To me if Hank is taking shots its time, you should be there.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:01 pm EST

Its Haggerty obviously, and meant to say Ive liked everything Ive seen & read from this kid. Real attentive working with the coaches and he rips the puck, plus hes a lifelong diehard Ranger fan. So a guy to root for. Will be interesting to see if a guy like Stemp & Haggerty are neck & neck in camp which way AV decides to go. My guess is he leans vets like last year but maybe he surprises us.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 6:56 pm EST

RR - probably a bad example. Stemp is a product of New York, albeit western NY...yeah, I get it. But if I thought an extra couple of weeks with my fam might stand the difference between me riding a charter bus and playing in the AHL or playing in MSG...I'm showing up the day they unlock the door...not holding it against guys, but just pointing it out that it seems to me strange, especially with how many guys are already at the training facility.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 6:46 pm EST

Case in point on camp arrivals, Haggertu lives up the road in CT and has been there throughout. But maybe a Stemp is in western canada, when he leaves his family its for months do they wait a while longer.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 5:57 pm EST

Jesus HEXTALL, please stop crying & stroking DEL ZOTTO... it's embarrassing.

hipcheck


Tue Sep 2 2014 4:53 pm EST

Absent the Flyers, I'd be surprised if Zac RINALDO had a job in the NHL. They're the only Mickey Mouse organization that seems to have a crotch-popping woody for a diminutive little jabbering punk like this.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 4:37 pm EST

Will be interesting to see what happens with HRIVIK this season...he was a very solid player back when I first saw him skate...decent size, good skill...not a surefire NHLer, but someone who appeared to be on that track. Then he had at least one concussion. Maybe more...I remember watching him get his clock cleaned in Adirondack a couple years back and he hasn't been the same player since...with all the other forwards now in the system, he's really fallen down and now off the depth charts...but I wouldn't discount this kid if he can pull it all back together. He came on fast for the Whale in the playoffs a few years back...and last year, though I think he was mostly healthy, he just dropped down to a third-line spot...tough to see where he'd fit behind guys like Miller, Kristo, Hayes, Bourque and even Haggerty and McCarthy...but it sounds like he's looking to make an impact. Good to see. Wish him the best of luck.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 3:36 pm EST

Add to the list of 10 skaters today..... Haggerty, Klein, D. Moore and Hrivik. I'm not sure who #15 was, unless the Rangers were counting Kovalev.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 3:08 pm EST

Perhaps the greatest meme of all time.... Happy Birthday Matteau, Matteau, Matteau.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/506819367024467968/photo/1

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 3:00 pm EST

Flyers re-sign Zac Rinaldo to a 2 year contract extension.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 2:15 pm EST

Ryan Haggerty has been one of the Rangers who has been at the training center as players start returning to New York and working out together. Haggerty says that he has the benefit of being close and “living down the road” in Stamford and that it helps to get in extra work and extra time on the ice with the players that he hopes to be playing with. Haggerty says that being there early is all about trying to get better but also learning the tendencies of his teammates. (Rangers) He says that his mindset for training camp is to take everything in stride and be ready for whatever Alain Vigneault and the coaches throw at him. He says that one important aspect is not getting down about mistakes and just trying to do your best. (Rangers) While with the team at the end of the season and playoffs, Haggerty said that he got to see how the players acted everyday, what their routines are and how to be a pro. (Rangers) The Sports Forecaster has Haggerty making the NHL in 2015-16 and adds that he is a player who “knows how to score.”

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 1:39 pm EST

TD.... Almost to a man, most Ranger players have said that McDonagh is the guy. I certainly don't see them giving the C to a 39 year old player (not on such a young-ish team). I think the only real question is who get's the A's? I think Staal keeps his and IMO they really should give a forward the other one. MSL would be a good choice for an A. Either way, it's still Lundqvist's team.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:58 pm EST

I know the odds-on favorites for the 'C' are McDONAGH and GIRARDI...but I have a suspicious feeling Marty St. LOUIS could be a dark horse candidate...

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:42 pm EST

I don't like it either TD, I wish they all arrived same time. But a guy can be busting his ass training, at home. Or, he could be at the practice facility working office. Or he's out running up mountains somewhere (it might even benefit certain players more than a simple shoot around) Or he's en route to Greenburg. We don't know. We do know its a very close knit group that's real serious about winning. The UFAs? Again, can't say. They couldn't be in a men's league somewhere like Pat Kane. Just no way to tell. Now if guys show up last minute like JT last year, that I really don't like. But, even guys like Hayes, he was in last week and went back home, isn't there today. So its informal for a reason.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:26 pm EST

RR - not saying to hammer them...just kind of a WTF in my mind...actually, it's AWESOME to see so many regulars turn out and start work...the real question mark for me is the UFA signings not arriving early...man, if I were Lombardi or Stemp especially...Not sure which link it was, but one of them below basically outlines how easy it will be for the Rangers to bury those guys in Hartford...and it's easier than I expected...the gist was that basically if these guys get beat out for a roster spot, there is nothing stopping Sather from making them ride AHL buses all season long...Clearly Miller got that message...

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:08 pm EST

Step just got married. Good.... He could use to play a little angry LOL..... Nash I have no idea....once everyone is there I know I'D want l be there. But I can't hammer guys because they're not required to be in yet.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:06 pm EST

Perhaps its just me...but does anyone else find it odd that BOYLE is the only one among the recent signees that showed up for workouts today? No GLASS, LOMBARDI, or STEMPNIAK...Two other conspicuous absences, IMO, are STEPAN and NASH...Man...after the playoffs they had...I'm a little surprised they're not showing up early...Step, too, because he held out last year...and Nash..for the love of god, this guy needs to do SOMETHING to get his career back on track.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:04 pm EST

maybe an A for MSL

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:02 pm EST

I nominate Staal, Girardi and Zucc

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:02 pm EST

The C, As should be coming from that group, not from no-shows

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 11:24 am EST

Yeah That, and one other guy skating today....Alexei Kovalev.... Supposedly said not a comeback but yikes anyway LOL....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 11:05 am EST

15 Rangers are going through informal workouts today at the MSG training center. (Rangers) Those players include (Rangers) Defense: Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Dan Boyle, Forward: Marty St. Louis, Carl Hagelin, Derick Brassard, Mats Zuccarello, Chris Kreider, JT Miller Goalie: Henrik Lundqvist

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 8:25 am EST

Guys, this is my annual membership drive for the RFC Fantasy Hockey League at Yahoo! For the few uninitiated, this is a bragging rights league typically with 15- to 20 GMs that has been running for well over a decade now. We had 19 GMs last season, so I have AT LEAST one extra spot open this year. Usually, I have another couple teams open up, so I'm anticipating three vacant spots this year. Doesn't cost anything, there are no prizes and the only benefit you'll get is showing everyone else you're on your game. As of now, a live draft is scheduled for Sunday, Sept. 21, at 12 p.m. EST. Those who can't make the draft simply do their rankings ahead of time. Scoring in the league is rotisserie-style, meaning you get points based on where your team ranks among the rest of the league in a number of different categories. We're looking for GMs who keep a regular eye on their team and really all it requires is a few minutes a day or maybe a half-hour a week...Anyway, please email me at xitriton@yahoo.com if you're interested or have a friend interested. Teams are first-come, first-served, but any past GM who wants to return to the league will get preference. We'll be solidifying the teams a couple days before the draft, so speak now! And I'll apologize in advance: I'll be reposting this post periodically through the week.

tdchi


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:56 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/01/kevin-hayes-best-fit-rangers-starting-lineup/

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:53 pm EST

Theoretical expansion draft, who would the Rangers protect?.... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/who_would_the_rangers_keep_in_a_theoretical_nhl_expansion_draft/17180318

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 4:08 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/31/6087671/new-york-rangers-dan-girardi-analysis

stevielegs


Mon Sep 1 2014 4:05 pm EST

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2181277-new-york-rangers-most-likely-to-end-up-in-minors-to-start-season?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Mon Sep 1 2014 3:39 pm EST

Hi Guys, very sad to see the passing of Carol Vadnais, I had mixed emotions about him as Ranger, I hated the trade that brought him here, As I was a big fan of Brad Park. as I believe Park was one of the three best Ranger defenseman (obviously Brian Leetch and not so obviously Doug Harvey in a short sample size) plus was never a big fan of Phil Esposito before and during his Ranger career, but I was won over by the Play of Vadnais, he was a "stick man" in the mold of a guy like Pierre Pilote , and love the pairing of Vadnais and Dave Maloney on the late 70s Ranger teams, so rest in peace Carol Vadnais and my condolences to the Vadnais family.

Bathgate9


Mon Sep 1 2014 3:13 pm EST

Out Biking this morning using my NYR Cycling Jersey which invoked multiple "Rangers SUCK!" from other Cyclists....LOL. You can tell Summer is over.

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 1 2014 11:15 am EST

TD... I've made this point before, but you can't just assume a players success with one particular team will translate when plugging him into another team. Before this season, Gaborik had done very little in the postseason(including the Rangers). In gabby's best postseason with the Rangers, he had 1 more point than Nash in 20 games and 2 more goals. I think that's the more fair comparison of the two. I will also say again that Lundqvist deserves his fair share of the blame for losing the cup finals. He failed to hold multiple leads in two separate games and didn't really dominate in any single game. Yes, we were only three OT goals away from winning the cup, but we got there by beating two backup goalies and a starter who has a history of folding in the playoffs(barely). Statistically speaking, there is very little chance of us going to the Finals again THIS season. Even if we kept last season's team together, all of the odds are against us. Lundqvist has to be the difference maker if we are going anywhere. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 11:11 am EST

TD --absolutely agree that Nash did not perform well enough and that we would have had a better chance to win if he had put up points. But, even without Nash burying the chances he had....and he did have some prime opportunities that he got robbed on and also just didn't cash in on....the Rangers could have won the Cup regardless of his performance if we had gotten some breaks at key, key points in the series. We got absolutely none.....the hockey gods who got us there were like a verse from,"Luck Be A Lady Tonight." Anytime you lose as many OT games as we did, it shows that we could have actually won the series. That's why I won't rag on or scapegoat Nash or anyone else....in spite of his sub-par performance, the chance was still there if we had buried other chances in Multiple OTs, got a couple of calls, etc. The more I look back on the series, the more proud I am of the run they made....it was exciting, startling and a great run. Instead of blame for losing, I choose credit for winning all the games they did.

JFC31


Mon Sep 1 2014 10:04 am EST

JFC31 - I see this in a wholly different light. In my estimation, Rick NASH was brought to the Rangers to score goals. He gets paid $7.8 million to score goals...and he didn't do that very much in the playoffs or at all in the finals...KREIDER was a bonus last season...remember, he wasn't even on the opening day roster...and he was coming back from injury...and yet he was almost a point-per-game player...And he was a ROOKIE...My point, which I don't know how anyone can dispute, is that the Rangers without their top stars had a zero percent chance of winning against the Kings...Everyone else in the lineup showed up to play. Everyone else did their job. Nash didn't. Zero points...five games...four PIMs. If the Rangers had a sniper in that series scoring goals, the outcome would have been much different...plain and simple...If we had Gaborik instead of Nash, I think that series would have at least gone to seven games...but instead, Nash did his usual disappearing act...had one big game against the Habs and then vanished...Sure you can rag on Kreider for not making some pretty wide open shots...but at least he had those chances to miss...I couldn't even point to a game where Nash came close to scoring. He was a non-entity the entire series. Absent a PPG Rick Nash, the Rangers are going no where. It's a sad reality that will repeat itself this season if he goes into his usual funk.

tdchi


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:01 am EST

RR: I hated the Park for Espo trade but loved what Vad brought to the table in 79. He had the nickname Zorro cause he wouldn't drop the gloves but would use his stick to defend himself. Life is way to short.

jnyr


Mon Sep 1 2014 12:56 am EST

Vadnais passing today left me with such a lousy feeling, one stronger than it maybe should have been for a guy who only played here 7 years, and who I never really had a strong opinion about one way or another. I remembered him as mostly solid and very good with the stick work, not a guy you wanted to be messing with. But I still couldnt put my finger on why I had this lingering bad feeling; at first I thought it was because he was an unsung guy who came over and wasn't all that popular as a result of the trade, and I know it was hard for he & Espo (who wanted to jump out the hotel window when Don Cherry informed him of the deal) because they had come to hate the Rangers. But then it clicked. Carol Vadnais was a big part of one of my earliest hockey memories. I can remember seeing something from like the 1971-72 Ranger-Flyer series, and a few Peter Puck network games, and ofcourse Saturday night games on WOR chanel 9 that always seems to be against Detroit or Toronto or Montreal, and the Rangers would always get slaughtered. But one of my most distinct hockey memories was turning over the NY Daily News and seeing those 5 headshots (including Joe Zanussi) and thinking WTF is this? I was only 9 at the time, and it was my first experience with a major trade, the same stuff I live & die with all these years later. Anyhow, I just realize what Vadnais passing really said to me and I'm not sure if cancer is technically considered natural causes or not. But the fact he didn't get mowed down by a bus or something was one of those reminders, time is precious. Here's a guy I first became familiar with in 1975. Fuck, that's about to be 40 years ago! And you know, how many days & years do we really get? I'm just thinking out loud so please dont mind me, but maybe this benefits someone today if they read it, makes them push themselves a bit to have a fun day when they otherwise might not. That would be really good.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 31 2014 7:54 pm EST

Professaaaahhhh! J.Moore is still unsigned.... Here's something to look forward to.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUugQoxS8_o

mf


Sun Aug 31 2014 4:32 pm EST

Been busy moving in/starting my junior year in college these past couple of weeks and haven't been following the news all that closely...any update on John Moore?

professa


Sun Aug 31 2014 3:45 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoNjs76OuJo

mf


Sun Aug 31 2014 3:35 pm EST

RIP Carol Vadnais.

Bob


Sun Aug 31 2014 2:09 pm EST

Wow....sorry to hear about VAD. I always liked him. RIP VAD....

Vic


Sun Aug 31 2014 11:17 am EST

RIP Carol Vadnais

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 30 2014 8:51 pm EST

Puck drops in Traverse a week from this Friday, 7pm vs. Dallas

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 30 2014 7:22 pm EST

When do the y drop the puck?? Thank god football is starting.

MelvilleFred


Sat Aug 30 2014 7:05 pm EST

http://nysportshub.com/2014/08/30/can-alain-vigneault-repeat-first-year-success-with-rangers/

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 5:34 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/30/6085329/new-york-rangers-brady-skjei-marc-staal

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 11:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/08/29/apple-teases-rabid-fans-clamoring-for-new-iphone-watch/

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 6:44 am EST

Youre too kind MF.I saw same blurb other day & fell for it too lol Anyhow how fo you like my PP? Thing is AV will never go for it cause he wont break up Zuc & Brass. He never should at ES, but PP they can get more out of Zuc. He should be a 75-pt player IMO

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 30 2014 12:41 am EST

Rabbit, you're no idiot.... g/n

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 12:07 am EST

thanks Rhetoric. I'm an idiot.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:57 pm EST

Rabid...."Very quietly,NHL & Officials Union negotiating a new CBA. Talks described as "ongoing" ....NOT the Players Union.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:22 pm EST

Very quietly commish & players union negotiating new CBA per P Leonard. WTH? Ink isnt dry on last one. Was supposed to be 9 years or something.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 7:34 pm EST

MF, my perfect power play would have a RHS Zubov right point, a Brett Hull RHS trigger left hash marks to gun all day. But it depends on personnel. We don't have a big time RHS, best we have is Step who can't be relied upon IMO. Boyle is a righty but he roams side to side, or did in SJ at least. As our better scorers are lefties, Nash, St Louis, even Kreider & Brassard, I'd prefer to see Boyle on the left point, shooters on the right (so its a reverse of a Zubie/Hull setup). Guys like him are not Del Zotto when it comes to keep-ins, neither would McD be if he's rotating out there with DB. McDonagh is smart enough not to let a man get behind him, and quick enough to catch anyone who does. But what I've wanted to see for YEARS are set one-touch passes to the middle and BOOM, a forward cutting in and unloading. It'd make all the difference, get the PKers out of their comfort zone, where so many times they just rotate clockwise and follow the puck and wait for bobble so they can pounce.so if we set up that way, we've got a good chance, but the MAJOR thing IMO is your first unit has to be your best guys for each chore. You can't split them as AV did and try to spread the wealth across two units. So my best distributor is Zuc, bar none.Boyle is a given. Kreider in front. Assuming he goes with two D again, McDonagh is the other point. One spot left, and I have to give it to Nash. Nash's PP time was down dramatically, and if you want to get this guy going, he needs first unit time. Hes actually never been a big PP performer, but he's also never playednwith this kind of talent, and could use the open ice to operate in now, he has a HEAVY slapper when he uses it, and I just think if he's your offensive centerpiece you'd best get him going, get his confidence up. He's also another huge body to crash the net with Kreider, should be very effective in front and high slot.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 6:45 pm EST

BTW. The Rangers will have 49 players under contract once John Moore signs. Graves contract slides and Duclair's contract doesn't count against us this season either. So, if Ryan Malone makes the team, we have a contract available to give him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 29 2014 6:20 pm EST

MF... I think it's highly unlikely that we trade Glass this soon. Also, we will probably have to eat salary/cap hit to get him moved. As usual, we overpaid for him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 29 2014 5:02 pm EST

I don't know that you can look at points totals to determine whether we more need Malone or Glass. Glass replaced Brian Boyle, not Wayne Gretzky

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:58 pm EST

MF, Id love a prime-time Malone in this lineup, its just what we need and also prevents us giving up pieces for a guy like Andrew Ladd if the need became as pparent, and I think it would in abundance. You cant have a winning team that doesnt take the body. Just sayin Bugsy has hills to climb in short order. AV runs a tight, happy ship & it needs to stay that way.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:17 pm EST

On Malone: Unless this guy has post concussion symptoms or the Ebola virus, we should be all in after this guy.. I'm talking 24/7 to help him get back into shape.. Personal trainers from skating to strength. Nutritionists, help him manage his schedule with his kids, I think he has 2 boys... Get this guy back into the game... He just got bought out, has plenty of money, in all likelihood sign a very cap friendly salary, and push someone out of a spot during & after camp..... He'd probably sign for Tanner Glass money $1.5mill, and Glass is my 1st choice to get bumped out... Maybe we can get a 4th rounder for him while freeing up his salary...... Malone's best season is just shy of TG's career stats....... moo moo

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 2:58 pm EST

mf for you it's moo moo ;-)

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 2:57 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57659-Schultz-gets-3675million-oneyear-contract-from-Oilers-to-prove-himself.html

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 2:57 pm EST

St..Eveil..Egs puts the positive spin on the situation... woohoo :-)

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:55 pm EST

Hospo: Not blaming anyone specifically.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:45 pm EST

hospo the loss goes to all just as the winning it would have. sather and veenyo need to know what to fix and what to keep the same. the nyr playing their best from last season probably wins it. whether the kings stopped them or they stopped themselves up for debate . agree not one or two can be blamed, but the pp was crucial and failed.....nothing to be ashamed of, just woulda coulda shoulda.......plenty to be proud of.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:28 pm EST

RF4L/STEVIE - I don't know, I have a hard time playing the blame game for one of two teams in the Cup finals.....ALOT of things were done right by players, caoches and Sather..The KIngs were just a little stronger/better..And wiule I don't agree with every move Sather makes, I'm liking the possibilities for the coming year

Hospo


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:15 pm EST

Yes, let's hope Dan Boyle helps turn the pathetic long term PP problems around. I am hopeful, but at the same at his age, sooner or later (sooner being more probable obviously) the magic dissipates. There are 2 key components to this year's success who are 38 and counting. That's risky. At least one of them costs nothing but $$.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:55 pm EST

Don't know enough about Arniel's coaching ability, but hard to run the PP when you lack a top-flight center and any puck-distributing D.

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:50 pm EST

I think the problem with having D play their off-position, especially on the PP is the difficulty shoveling pucks off the boards, re MDZ last season. You're going to lose the zone easily

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:46 pm EST

Let's try that again.....Kreider had breakaways in 2 separate OT losses....are we going to,scapegoat him for those losses? If we win those 2 games, Nash's play isn't even up for discussion.

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:43 pm EST

And BTW, Kreider missed breakaways in 2 it's, including one in game 6. Are we going toms ape boat him for 2Stanley Cup,losses? Again, if he buries those chances, Nash's performance in those games is not even an afterthought.

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:35 pm EST

TD -- Kreider had a breakaway in OT in the Stanley Cup Finals and missed the net. If he scores, we win the game....instead, we end up losing. So that loss is his fault, he's the scapegoat in tangible, real terms, no ? Hagelin missed on a break away with time run I g down in game 1. We ended up losing. Again, if we're into,scapegoating, that's a real, tangible situation that one can point to. What you're saying about Nash is theory. Despite what he did or didn't do, if Kreider buries those chances, Nash's performance in that game means nothing...we win the game and the series is different. It's a team game and scapegoating one player on what might or might not have happened if he played "better" just doesn't work AFAIAC

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:30 pm EST

Messier11 - A goddamn inanimate carbon rod would have done better than Torts. That guy was poison.

tdchi


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:51 am EST

Is it better to have a RHS D'man on the "left point" than a LHS on the left point? ..... And in a perfect world, is it optimal to have a RHS LW, a RHS point man on the left point, a LHS on the right point, with a LHS RW on the PP? (thanks)

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:40 am EST

RF, youre 100% right on the PP. And its Sather's 14th year if im not mistaken. Should be better if Boyle plays left point, opens up LHS one-timers from Nash, MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:33 am EST

I wouldn't consider myself optimistic, but I did predict that AVs first year would be better than any of Torts'

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:31 am EST

With = will

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:30 am EST

Rf hopefully signing Boyle with vastly improve the pp.... Arneil went to sleep on the pp . It was ok early and reverted back by the end of the season and the playoffs. It cost them the Cup ....it was a team and coaching disaster ... Special teams are a BIG key to winning it, all among many factors....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:16 am EST

mf: Hey hey now, you're gonna upset the Sather apologists on here with that attitude!! LOL. I will say this about him: I admit it's tough to argue the fact that the Rangers are something like 2nd (behind LA only) in terms of the number of PO rounds they've appeared in over the past 4 or 5 years. However, only the most optimistic fan would have predicted last year's deep PO run and like it or not, there's no guarantee that the Rangers will even come close to repeating that next spring. Some significant holes remain. And one should not forget he's had 12 years at this. Twelve years! That's a very nice gift from ownership.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:00 am EST

Sather Sucks!

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:54 am EST

Except for a few stretches here and there, Sather has yet to assemble a roster that is capable of producing a strong PP. How many years has he been trying now? Twelve? Now that's ridiculous and yeah Nash let the team down, but that PP if one wants to name a single biggest weakness, is IMO without a doubt it. That's on Sather more than anyone else. And twelve years to address!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:52 am EST

Oh yeah and their ridiculously inept PP, which is AV and Sather's fault.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:51 am EST

Lots of blame to spread around for the Rangers quick exit from the finals. Concur Nash has his fair share as does Kreider for failing to capitalize on his assets that got him those breakaways. He choked when it counted. It's also on Sather for not having a big enough team to counter the size and strength of the Kings.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:35 am EST

Hospo I assume your including the coach and his assistants in that . the return of the sullypearn powerless pp sealed their failure to win it all, despite the refs bs of deciding the series, with Toronto and the nhl as accomplices.......

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:30 am EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=729115&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:14 am EST

NASH was brought in to be the Rangers top scorer...He did not provide scoring against the Kings and, despite playing hard and physical, thus one of the reasons the team lost the Cup series....Another more important one being that the Kings got stronger as every game went along while the Rangers were much more inconsistent with that...They lost as a team

Hospo


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:08 am EST

Td, spot on couldn't agree more

KIS


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:56 am EST

JFC - disagree...On a team, you have roles...Nash has a role, and that's to score goals. He failed in that regard...and in truth, I can't even remember him having very many 'missed' opportunities...Nash was brought in to score. His lack of goals coincided perfectly with the Rangers losing three very close games...your star doesn't perform in the finals...you lose...And guess what? The Kings' stars performed...Gaborik had goals. Carter had goals...Kopitar had assists...they won...The Rangers "star" didn't do JACK aside from 'play a good defensive game'...let me phrase this another way: If instead of three OT games, we had three blowout losses where, the Rangers gave up at least six soft goals...you don't think this site would be illuminated with people calling LUNDQVIST a failure? Sorry, but NASH was a MAJOR factor in that loss. Looking at it any differently is basically creating an apology for what was a dismal performance on his behalf...and I tell you what: Had Nash performed in the other 20 games of the playoffs, I'd probable tone down my criticism...but in this case, he vanished...and his disappearance was a leading contributor to why the Kings have the cup and the Rangers don't.

tdchi


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:26 am EST

So many different factors went into that Cup loss for us....so many that it's ridiculous to single out Nash. Was he a factor...yes. But if he did better, we would have won the Cup? That's a huge stretch and simply wrong. Put it all together....Kreider missed 2 HUGE break-always, the refs made 2 HUGE incorrect calls at critical times, the Kings centers were too big for us to handle consistently, Nash did not set the world on fire, our PP was meh....that's how you lose a Cup finals. If Nash played better, would it have overcome the other factors? He'll, if you want a scapegoat (and I personally don't), Kreider is more obvious than Nash simply because of the GAME-WINNING chances he blew....those are overt, objective failures that caused us to actually lose games.

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:07 am EST

Ola - Sorry, man, but I think limbo is 100 percent correct...Here's the truth...we didn't even get Nash scoring .5 PPG...or even regular season Nash, which was .6 PPG...we got .4 PPG Nash...and while these percentages may sound petty...thing of it this way: In the cup final, we got ZERO PPG Nash...Here's his stats for the finals: 4 PIM...if Rick Nash scored at his normal, regular season rate (.4 goals per game), that's two extra goals the Rangers have. And since there were four one-goal games...three won in OT...AND one shutout...it's easy to see the Rangers NEEDED those two goals...then also consider that if he scored at his regular season .6 PPG rate, he also would have had one helper...so thats THREE goals the Rangers could have conceivably had...and that, my friend, could have easily made the difference...mind you, this is factoring in 'post-concussion' Rick Nash(still don't believe that has impacted his performance...but whatever)...Now if Nash scored at his 2012-2013 regular season pace...he had a .47 goal per game...and .95 PPG...well that's two goals and three helpers...five goals...Rangers win the series...Look, as a persistent Nash critic, I'm not asking him to be MALKIN...I'm asking him to simply be Rick Nash...and while I won't say the Rangers lost the cup because of Nash, he was a main contributing factor in them not winning. Simply no way around that.

tdchi


Fri Aug 29 2014 8:37 am EST

Forgot....Malone's playing weight was 225. Police report listed him at 250. Lotta rehab to be done in short time. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 7:57 am EST

One guy I'm tempering my enthusiasm for until we see otherwise is Bugsy Malone.Rangers checked him out thoroughly and felt comfortable enough to extend a camp invite (apparently), bottom line, but some scuttlebutt there have been concussion concerns, and I wonder about the timeline. The guy was scratched for the last regular season game and 4 TB playoff games for personal reasons, and the bit in that story from a TB official saying he was in a bad way office isn't from 4 years ago, but 4 months ago. Same time,what are he and his agent (Mike Liut) going to put out if they want to snag a new contract?Itd have to be a comeback trial story. Now if the guy really is rededicating himself, he comes here and knows Marty St Louis and Dom Moore and gets groovin', great. But that's an awfully short turnaround for a guy with an injury history a mile long, not to mention a bust and apparent substance abuse problem. We'll see, and I hope we get something out of him, even if it's a half season in Hartford as insurance for the playoffs. Never know where the season is going to take us. But a top 6 role and consistent performer? I gotta dial that one back a bit.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 4:06 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/franchisefaceoff/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 4:03 am EST

From Aug 28: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2014/08/28/expansion-arizona-coyotes-anthony-leblanc/14739931/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:58 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/hockey/2014/08/27/look-up-line-thomas-smith-nhl-chris-kreider/14713063/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:39 am EST

From August 26: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2177212-how-should-the-new-york-rangers-best-use-martin-st-louis-in-2014-15?

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:23 am EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/08/27/michael-del-zotto-kevin-klein-trade/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=RelatedCategory

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:01 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2014/08/29/guest-blogger-sioux-who-are-the-rangers-best-prospects/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:37 am EST

I like Cerny. What would you expect from him? ;) To go like CBS 60 Minutes interviewing Khaddafi on a teenagers just finnishing his first practise in NY?...

Ola


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:34 am EST

Limbo- I don't agree. A Rich Nash as good as say an Evg Malkin would have put us over the top. Nash played on a line that for long and several stretches was shut down offensively. They took the toughest match-ups, they won the momentum battle, but they were just very rarely able to get those really open chances or really get inside the other team around the net. I just think people "boiling" that down to a thinking that results in "a good scoring player"= 1 PPG, "a decent scoring player"=0.75 PPG, a "worthless scoring player"=0.5 PPG, Nash scored 0.5, IE he sucks -- will draw the wrong conclusions.

Ola


Thu Aug 28 2014 10:24 pm EST

Sorry - Nash's time to step up was when his teammates carried him to the f'ing STANLEY CUP FINALS. Redemption - gimmie a break. Sorry everyone - still hurting over here from the finals. We were so damn close. An average Nash would have put us over the top.

limbo


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:47 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2178597-rick-nash-will-look-for-redemption-with-the-new-york-rangers-in-2014-15

mf


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:25 pm EST

For the record, an NHL franchise in Vegas is a TRAINWRECK waiting to happen. This league is a gang of fools if they think this is a good idea...gonna be another Yotes...another debacle. What a joke. Someone please punt Buttman off this planet.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 6:53 pm EST

Rabbit: doubt very much "The Arizona Coyotes" are going anywhere soon after the last few years of drama with that franchise... Attached: link to attendance records.... http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

mf


Thu Aug 28 2014 2:37 pm EST

I hope SCOTTY GOMEZ Make the Devils team. I really really do. That piece of shit belongs in a devils jersey. He is a cancer on what ever team he is on lately. Come on Lou Lams sign him up. PUUULLLLLEEEEAAAAAZZZZZEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Aug 28 2014 2:13 pm EST

Sutter out-coached? Hardly. Sutter got LUCKY. Every single one of those losses could have easily gone the other way. For the absolute bloodbath that series SHOULD have been for the Rangers...On paper, the Kings should have massacred the Rangers...and instead, it came down to a couple of fortuitous bounces and a few bad calls...Hell, even game five...That call on Zucc never happens and you've got a whole different series...I didn't hear anyone from that LA organization gloating about their win, because they knew...things could have gone VERY differently...the 4-1 final didn't reflect nearly how close it really was...One bounce in favor of the Rangers and you could have very easily seen what happened with the Penguins play out in LA.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 2:02 pm EST

Done deal for Vegas per Dan Patrick, but Yotes, Canes could relocate, so no exp. Draft. Sry MF. LOL

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 1:53 pm EST

Not to take away from Sutter, but LA had some things we did (good overall depth, great goaltending) and a few things we didn't (offense from blue line, top-line offense output)

Messier11


Thu Aug 28 2014 1:09 pm EST

It is RF, definitely. If you think about that alternative lineup, one with Malone, Thorton, Hayes, McIlrath, Nash & Kreider, all 6-4 except Kreids who's stronger than any of them, its physically imposing (if not vicious). Its all this team is missing really.we almost invite teams to go after us because few can match the D, goaltending & speed.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:49 pm EST

AON, I felt Darryl Sutter out-coached AV in the SCF's.... Specifically early in the series he began mixing up the line combo's which AV could not keep up with.. The period of time it took AV to settle in, and decide who & how he was going to play in response to what looks Sutter threw at him is exactly the period of time I feel that the Kings obtained an important momentum......

mf


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:49 pm EST

RR: Content is a relative term!!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:48 pm EST

I remember being at a party with half Ranger and half Islander fans the night they beat he Islanders in Game 6. Hat a blast to see Potvin's lean. The guy still annoys me when I watch a Rangers fam when h is the commentator. He still hates them and it comes through loud and clear.

Bob


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:33 pm EST

Agreed RF, we probably see only one, maybe two of those things happen. But content I won't be. I dont agree in principle with AVs whole-to-whistle, turn the other cheek jive. To a point, sure. But its a jungle out there, aggression begets aggression. Our guys were already targeted as blatantly as could be; our top two centers, Nash, McD, all brutal. Collectively, could well have cost us the Cup. And this year, we're not sneaking upon anybody. And we're already hated automatically almost everywhere,so this year I just a see the targets on guy's backs getting bigger, and I'd be real proactive about it.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:08 pm EST

RR: Methinks we should be content to settle on one of those 'if's happening...

RF4L


Thu Aug 28 2014 10:48 am EST

RABID - I remember that game/night for the Potvin wife chant ..Only in New York...Loved it.....It was a lot better than the "Buy a Porshce Potvin, Buy a Porsche" which I Think was a little over the line...

Hospo


Thu Aug 28 2014 10:44 am EST

If....world's biggest word Lol... But for those of us still concerned with the lack of size & snarl on this team, something that could be possible right now, and really remains a need IMO after a summer of signing Lombardis & Stempniaks.... Malone (if he makes it) is a big body, good edge. Joe Thornton, who I distinctly remember being nasty with his stick & elbows as a Bruin at least, big body. And if Hayes finds his way into the lineup, that's another 6-4 forward. If, once more, someone like McIlrath shows hes ready and a guy like Klein becomes expendable, collectively they'd have transformed the size aspect of he team.Admittedly that's 3-4 BIG ifs, but still possible and still needed in some form IMO. Same time, size means little if you don't use it. And size, in an extreme example, as it relates fighting, means little in terms of winning. Saw stat where NYR & LA were both in late twenties in fighting majors. Hits, and not taking any shit, thats what I'm worried about.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:54 am EST

Man, and ain't Scott GOMEZ just a never-ending punchline...Here's the hilarious part: Were it not for compliance buyouts and the abject stupidity of the Habs, his $7.3 million-per-year cap hit contract with the Rangers would have JUST ended in July...what a waste of a hockey player...the funniest part of the Devils giving him a tryout is that they could, in fact, reunite the line that never worked....Gomez centering JAGR and STRAKA...ol' Straks is still kicking in in the Czech Republic...putting up decent numbers...Devils have all the trappings of a horrible team, even though they've amassed a good amount of guys who had such promise...10 years ago...average age: 32.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:45 am EST

mf - re: Sean Day; I don't know anything aboot the kid really...but for a guy who 6'2 and 217 at 16 years old?!...still four months away from his 17th birthday...man...that's a big kid...I'd say see what he does this season...he was playing for a pretty awful team last year...but with that size and presumably growing, he should be able to dominate in the OHL.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:07 am EST

RF4L - like I said, the guy is an MSG guy. He spouts what the organization wants him to spout. Essentially, he's the Rangers' PR guy. That said, he gets more access to the team than anyone else affiliated with the media. And while his interviews are pretty much worthless --hell, all interviews in sports are usually lacking in flavor and substance --his suppositions about the team might as well come directly from Sather. That's his boss. And that's why I found his lines somewhat interesting. His interview with Hayes? I'll wait for the redux of that...

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 7:38 am EST

RF4L... I totally agree, he's an awful interviewer. The only thing that stood out to me is that Hayes looks bigger than Kreider.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 28 2014 6:40 am EST

Rhet: I know, valid point. But he's over the top - most of what he asked Hayes was pure drivel. The gushing and pseudo joking about Kreider was embarrassing - he made it sound like he and Kreider were best buddies. Then again, as Bob points out, MSG tends to seek those spine-challenged people out to put in front of the camera. To me it makes the organization look weak and paranoid and ultimately, it's too their detriment IMO.

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:33 pm EST

Nick, I've got one I think you'all enjoy LOL. I can't precisely remember if it was that day, or the day before (could have been a week honestly) that the story broke that Potvin had a domestic dispute with his wife. But just so happened there was game scheduled at MSG right after, and I was there and will never forget it starting, in warmups, Beat your wife Potvin, beat your wife! It was totally organic and just grew & grew, and I SWEAR, from all the way up in the blue seats, you could see Potvin's head growing growing redder and redder HAHA. It was the funniest thing ever and got SO loud it was unbelievable.and it never stopped LOL. for many years hehehe... I don't know if younger people today can even relate to what the blues were like back then, especially versus the Isles, just an absolute fever pitch I've never experienced before or since. People were wild-eyed, or bleary-eyed LOL, the haze of smoke so thick Jerry Garcia would've had to step outside. It was also legitimately dangerous if you were dumb enough to wear an Islander jersey. You were either getting tied up & beaten in it, or chucked down an escalator. It was truly nuts. Anyway, the kicker came they next day when they'd asked Potvin what he thought of the chants and Ranger fans in general, and his reply was (paraphrasing), "they are the most vile and despicable human beings....", still probably the most enjoyable quote I've ever read hahaha....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:14 pm EST

Watched the Hayes interview. Definitely a big boy. The b-roll they have he looks good handling the puck, pretty natural. I'm glad because, since we were nostalgia-izing, for some odd reason the guy that's been in my head ever since the Hayes thing came to the fore was Mark Osbourne, don't ask me why. That's was a frustrating hockey player right there. Missed a WIDE-OPEN net one high, all alone, chance to tie it or win it, can't remember, but can still see it. One of those never-should-happen type screw-ups. Anyway, here's hoping Hayes doesn't set me off like Osbourne frequently did, though Hayes did say he just went to a Drake(and some other b.s rapper whose name escapes me) concert and so isn't off to a great start. I like hardcore rock-n-rollers on my team. Malone seems much more likely to blare some Maiden, blow a dube, and kick some enemy tail out there.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:13 pm EST

LWs: Kreider, Hags, Miller, Glass

Messier11


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:11 pm EST

Glad to converse about the old days! Funny how so many veteran fans remember the Potvin board-slump. My mother despised him and loved that moment so much. We enjoyed watching that game like few others. She lived long enough for the Cup win; I was thankful for that. Ah well. Pig Man ep: the mohel! "Dahling, you see that glass? Why you chose the absolute edge ..."

Nick


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:48 pm EST

I'm firmly of the opinion none of Nash, Zuc, or St Louis can play LW. I know I've gone round & round with a few here who believe otherwise, and that's all good. I just cant for the life of me remember a time any of them looked good there, and Zuc is 100% not the guy I would screw with in any way. That said, truly difficult to get the pieces to fall in place, but who the heck knows who's even going to fill the 3-4 open offensive spots? And if Ryan Malone comes in in good shape the equation gets tougher, though as a big LW he would also go a long way towards penciling people into more natural spots. If Malone bangs like he can in camp, we simply don't have much of that at all, let alone from 6-4/225 dudes with some hands and a bunch of 20-goal seasons. Same time, Malone isn't what you'd call a sure thing by any stretch right now, and that goes even for his PTO. so we'll see. One thing that's nice is how early these guys got in, voluntarily. Means something IMO. I was concerned they wouldn't have enough rest, especially mentally. Some still might not have had enough, but here they are wanting to be together and start work. So for now, all good in the hood.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:33 pm EST

Another way of looking at it is how many of us are in jobs where we are openly able to speak our minds instead of having to tow the company line? Food for thought ....MF.... I'm of the opinion that if Nash plays as physical as he did in the playoffs the first line will be fine. Also, if Hayes makes the team, we'd have three pretty good power forwards on our top 3 lines. I can't remember the last time we were able to say that.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:00 pm EST

Cerny is the consummate company guy. Seems to work hard, but you won't see any point/counterpoint with him or any of the MSG nobs except Maloney. That is the reason Marv is no longer around.

Bob


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:54 pm EST

Watched the Cerny/Hayes interview....gawd, sooo weak. I actually felt embarrassed for him.

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:52 pm EST

Gotta say Cerny looks the part (weaselly company man who likely runs his interview questions by Dolan's PR nobs before he'd ever voice them). For me hard to truly respect.

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:23 pm EST

Scott Gomez has a NJD camp invite!!!

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:15 pm EST

TD: Gotta say, you sure have a man-crush on Jitters Miller. LOL. Not saying it's wrong, just hoping you're right!

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:02 pm EST

Rhet: If we're going with MSL & Nash on the wings, we could certainly use a little more physicality as the pivot, and right now that's Brassard.... In which case I'd try Stepan with Zucc and whoever...

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:05 pm EST

TDCHI - We will wait till camp and find out...Our difference can be summarized in one sentence...........Where you say.."easy to see how you could boost STEMPNIAK, MOORE or LOMBARDI up to third line if one of the kids falters...and really gives you four solid lines that can score"......I would say..."easy to see how you could maybe boost Miller, Hayes or Fast to the 3rd line if one of the solid vetsfalters..and really gives you four solid lines that can score.".....

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:00 pm EST

MF.... When looking at how well a player does anything, you can't just look at a small sample size of a few games over a given season. You have to look at what they've done over their career. The Rangers best complimentary player are on the left side(for eg. Kreider, Hagelin), do we have anything on the right side that matches them equally that we should put a Nash or MZA on the left side? When we put a couple of goal scorers together (for eg. MSL and Nash or Gabby and Nash), I never really expect it to work out right away(except for maybe on rushes). They usually need to work out who is going to go to the boards and dig in the corners when needed. Both guys can't float. Training camp is the time of the year to work out those issues(if they ever do get worked out). I think MSL could be huge for Nash in rebuilding his confidence this season. The guy put a lot of pressure on himself to score in the playoffs and it just didn't happen. Hopefully, MSL can work his MOJO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:48 pm EST

Hospo - I point out Jim Cerney just because he is basically a mouthpiece for the Rangers...obviously, it's a loaded question to throw at a guy --asking him for lines --on the first day back from summer vacay...but Cerney is no fan blogger and he ain't a beat writer...he's more or less the Rangers' version of Pravda...He speaks what the organization tells him to speak...In other words, if there's one guy out there in the ether who is as close as they come to the voice of Sather, it's him...Now that said, I want to point out something interesting that I'm just noticing...You say the Rangers would be getting schooled in the faceoff circle? Well, with JT MILLER at center, that might not be the case. The kid was 51 percent last year...and 53 percent the year before...granted, he wasn't taking very many...but he was sixth on the team in total faceoff wins during abbreviated seasons last year and the year before where he was being used almost exclusively as a winger...not bad for a rookie...I've said this before...but I see him as a better center than winger...and if there's a place where he's needed, it's in the middle...his drawback has been his two-way game, and I think we saw some pretty good improvements in that category...Oddly enough LOMBARDI...the guy many have penned in as the third-line center...would be just ahead of BRASSARD in the faceoff circle...Food for thought, but I see Cerney's lines as very realistic, especially since it would give AV a chance to increase the size of his relatively small lineup with HAYES and MILLER...it'd give him the ability to juggle on the fly during games...easy to see how you could boost STEMPNIAK, MOORE or LOMBARDI up to third line if one of the kids falters...and really gives you four solid lines that can score...A line of HAGELIN-MILLER-HAYES would be real interesting...combination of size, speed, skill and grit...that could be a REAL tough line to handle.

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:19 pm EST

Hospo: Are you suggesting Hayes should got on all horse meat diet? :-)

RDW


Wed Aug 27 2014 5:51 pm EST

Nash is strong on the left? My dyslexia ain't that bad. Are we talking Rick Nash?

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 5:09 pm EST

RHET - True, it is a tough question ask with no right answer...... either can happen........I think what bugs me is the general anti-vet pro-new kid/shiny toy that is prevalent amongst the Internet fans and Internet bloggers/reproters (like Cerny) rather than just looking at talent,..And, when it comes down to making decisions, it is the opposite view that is usully held by the coach and the organizaation.....But, hopefully, we have good young talent, and good veteran talent that makes for hard decisions.........The pictures and video I have seen of HAYES, he looks a little slight and coukld use some bulking up...

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 4:12 pm EST

TD... Nash is strong on the left. The problem with putting guys on the left in the past is that most of our complimentary players play the left side. I'd be curious to see the chemistry between him and MSL if they are put together ... Hospo... In Cerny's defense, he said it was an impossible question to answer right now but put up a guess anyway. Also, he's not the first guy I've seen that's suggested a similar lineup.... http://rangersunlimited.com/2014/08/27/odds-and-ends-hayes-malone-john-moore-traverse-city/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 3:38 pm EST

TDCHI - I don't think CERNY's lines have a chance in hades of happening,..It would take two games of winning only 40-45% of the FO draws to junk that crap..And I think he's just another writer/fan caught up in the zest for youth rather then the best player...AV won't be.......Just my opinion, but.It will only take guys like Lombardi and Stemp a few weeks to show how much more helpful they can be NOW than the kids we have..and, if heathy, Lombardi and Moore will be in some form the 3rd and 4th centers

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 3:28 pm EST

More Cerney...his guess for lines...very interesting...and actually, what I would suggest myself...only question I have is whether MSL can move to the left. Outside of that, looks like a pretty bad-ass forward lines:: Nash-Stepan-St. Louis; Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello; Hagelin-Miller-Hayes; Glass-Moore-Stempniak/Lombardi

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 3:20 pm EST

jnyr - He showed up 'on time' to camp, but some in the media took that as 'late' for a rookie...and he tweaked a hamstring I think...missed a few days of practice. Cerney mentioned it today in his chat: " I think JT learned a valuable lesson last year...yes, he was working out on his own back home and arrived in time for camp, but there was/is a certain expectancy to arrive early with the other players before camp even starts...I think it is a really great sign that JT is among the first here in NY working out at the MSG Training Center...he has a prime opportunity to snag an important spot on this team, and he seems very aware of that"

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 2:07 pm EST

I keep reading how JT Miller didn't come to camp early and bond last year. If I do remember right, wasn't he hurt when training camp started??? can anybody confirm this?????

jnyr


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:33 pm EST

Katie Strang in her espn chat said that there is something to the Ryan Malone to the rangers rumor but so far no camp invite extended yet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:30 pm EST

TD: Whatcha got on Sean Day ? 15 y/o eligible for the draft in 2015 or 2016. I posted a few links on him a week ago, would appreciate your take on the kid.. t/y

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:18 pm EST

Lundqvist in new equipment..... http://instagram.com/p/sNV-BLPdIv/

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:08 pm EST

TDCHI - Should be a great camp with everybody (youngsters and vets) serious and about 6-7 guys fighting for 3-4 jforward jobs,.....Hopefully McIlrath and Allen will be fighting hard on D also along with the flotsam and jetsum (Hunwick. Kampf and ????) they signed over the summer...

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:03 pm EST

I really don't think Beck was damaged goods before he came to New York..The only problem was that he held out from Colordo and wanted to renegotiate his contract after his stunning rookie year...Pretty scumbag move but it did eventaully get him traded to the Rangers the next year....I think Beck's shoulder and Neck injuries started in 81 and 82 and it was qll downhill from that, culminating in the big FLATLEY hit in the POs..

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:01 pm EST

Hospo: Whenever I see the Seinfeld bris episode I always think about the joke about the mohel who would collect up the "spare parts" to create wallets he sold for $50 a piece - when you rub them they turn into suitcases! :)

Ranger47


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:57 pm EST

Well, looks like JT MILLER ain't coming to camp late this year...per Zip "'s about 90 degrees in this last blast of summer before Labor Day weekend in New York, and some Rangers are holding informal workouts at the team's training complex in Westchester. About 10 Rangers, according to Jim Cerny, who writes for the team's website, were on ice this morning, including Henrik Lundqvist, Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller and prospects Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes and Marek Hrivik. So a two-month break (where did the time go?) is drawing to a close for the Blueshirts after their Stanley Cup Final loss in Los Angeles, and for me as well. Training camp is about three weeks away, and today I began booking flights and hotels for the season's journeys. Expect a torrent of reporting and daily commentary here, on newsday.com, Twitter and in the paper very soon."

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:44 pm EST

Shoulder work. And yup, there Rhet clearing my foggy memory.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:43 pm EST

Yeah Hospo. Pretty sure Beck had shoulder before he ever came to NY. He knew it was his achillies & tried to ration it. Lotta similarities to Nash; kind of player we couldnt draft, big dude from small market, in his prime -(Beck was even younger than Nash), big 4-for-1 trade anf the guy gets hurt. Knew Id seen this script before.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:39 pm EST

Some fans will point to the 1984 playoffs as being the beginning of the end for Barry Beck but it you look at his years before 1984, he did suffer multiple upper body injuries causing him to miss 78 games in his first 7 seasons. Many fans feel that he was damaged goods ever since he arrived from Colorado. That he never again looked like quite the same player he was for the Rockies.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:38 pm EST

RHET - Never said the trade wasn't a good one, it was...Just saying BECK wasn't as good as he could or should have been for various reasons...Obviously, more Pronger (hurt) then Chara..

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:26 pm EST

My crystal ballz say MF is thinking of leaving Nash exposed in the expansion draft LOL.PigMan ...haha. riotously funny. My neighbor has the Kramer portrait in his garage. Cracks me up whenever I see it..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:23 pm EST

Possible States/Cities for an NHL franchise: Oklahoma Ctiy, UTAH, Greenbay Wisconsin, Seattle, Quebec City..... Wonder what the average attendance is for the Florida Panthers? NJ Devils?

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:19 pm EST

The Barry Beck trade was a great trade. The guy was the Zdeno Chara or Chris Pronger of his day. Who knows how good he could've been if not for that persistent separated shoulder problem? What other team has this type of injury luck?

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:18 pm EST

MF - BTW, last night I watched the SEINFELD epsiode called "The Bris" with the mohel and pig man...Man, it was hilarious..

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:16 pm EST

RABID - Beck was strong, good and tough..but just not all the time..and that's why I never grew to like him..The guy was a frankenstein beast but whether it was his injuries or his mental makeup, he just didn;t seem to relish the physical part of the game and was only occasionally the physical prseence he could and should have been..That's how I saw him back then,..Opponents were smart to leave him alone and disengaged

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:14 pm EST

Rabbit: would players with NMC & NTC be exposed to those expansion teams choosing them ??? How's your Crystal Balls? :-)

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:12 pm EST

RHet: doing the Math, if they went with 32 teams, each team plays every other team 2 X (62 games) they could play each team in their conference a 3rd game (15 games) and each team in their division a 4th game (7 games) for a total of an "84 Game season." & do not extend any more playoff openings, beyond the current 16 teams..... So are the runners up Seattle & Quebec? Phuck Vegas, phuck Harry Reid.... another team in the desert, ridiculous...

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:52 am EST

What sucks about expansion is theyre going to have a draft & we're gonna lose some people for nothing. But these franchises are worth so much nowadays, wouldnt be surprised if there are 50 some day, including a few overseas. Something to look forward to, 15-games trips starting in Minsk. Had to make the BECK deal. Liked Hickey but rest were stiffs of varying degrees. One of few times in my life we had a player NO ONE wanted to tangle with, made a big difference. And Bubba was excellent but got hurt. Kinda reminds me of Nash now that I think about it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:42 am EST

MF..... I'd settle for 32 teams total, 16 teams in each conference... or they could move one team from the East to the West and leave it at 30:)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:39 am EST

Hospo, Bob, Nick, Rabid - oh man - the nostalgia is awesome. I am pushing 40 years old. One of my first Ranger items as a kid was a Pat Hickey card with the shield logo Ferguson jerseys. (http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mYStofvp10v9js6CYvzo_8w.jpg) Ever since, I was a huge Hickey fan and had the same resentment at the Beck trade. Hickey would return wearing #24 and DeBlois and his mustache with what I call, the Guy Lafleur year.

DREW


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:53 am EST

get = jewish divorce

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:51 am EST

schpelczech/grandpa

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:49 am EST

cut the league down to 28 teams, 4 divisions of 7. allow each team to carry 22 players, this will more than absorb the players from the contracted teams and hopefully satisfies the NHLPA, and theoretically put a better product on the ice.. than take the cap space from the two folded franchises, and distribute it to the remaining 28 teams (approx 4.93 million) .... Let the attendance records dictate which 2 franchises to fold, and perhaps the same attendance records can dictate which one or two franchises to relocate... jmhon

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:47 am EST

First look at Kevin Hayes on the ice in Ranger gear.... http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/kevin-hayes/picture-kevin-hayes-and-others-on-the-ice/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:41 am EST

And who need a spell/grammar check when you have a MF! :)..Thanks my man

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:39 am EST

NICK!!! Thanks for bringing back the memories of 79! Pat Hickey was one of my favorites to (remember when him and Wayne Dillon were the next big thing?) and I could never warm up to or like BECK (similar to LINDROS)...........

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:54 am EST

get=game

Ranger47


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:54 am EST

Nick: Thanks for the memories. I could not get tickets to that get, but got to see it in the Felt Forum (where a haze of pot floated across the screen). The place erupted along with the Garden when they won and the shot of the slumping POS Potvin was followed by a quick exit to Seventh Avenue which mimicked Times Square on New Years Eve. I still believe in my heart that had Nillson not gotten knocked out of the series we could have beaten Montreal that year.

Ranger47


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:51 am EST

Jeff Gorton says that the Rangers are trying to get John Moore signed and is “pretty sure” they will get a deal done. (USA Today, via the Score) Gorton says that Moore has been a “good fit” for the Rangers and the organization likes his upside. (USA Today, via the Score)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:57 am EST

Ola - I think you've got a selective memory of that year...I remember it as the beginning of the end...the start of a long descent into what ultimately became the 2003-2004 Rangers --one of, if not THE worst hockey team I've ever had the displeasure of watching in New York...while the 1998-99 team certainly had some fire power...GRAVES still had a bit in the tank...the Great One of course...SAVARD'S first season in the NHL...it's defense was just deplorable...I remember guys like NECKAR and NDUR getting regular shifts..Petr POPOVIC...Chris TAMER...ugh...that blue line was pretty much awful...aside from LEETCH and SCHNEIDER on a good day...even Ulf SAMUELSSON, who was just a beast before he came to the Rangers, looked slow and useless...And there was NOTHING in the farm system...it was basically stripped bare over five years starting in 1993...Then Smith, in a last-ditch effort to save his hide, orchestrated those deals to move up in the worst draft the NHL has seen in a quarter century...in fact, I'm trying to pinpoint a draft that was worse than 1999 and I'm coming up blank...that set the stage for Sather to come in and basically try to buy his way into success...ugh...I still shutter thinking back to the 1998 season...I don't know if there was a way to right the ship back then...but there were habits the franchise got in around that time that lead to many years of misery...the only moves the Rangers could have made to turn things around at that point would have been to keep Savard, Cloutier and Sundstrom and then hope they got something decent with their own picks.

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:51 am EST

Per Hartford Whalers &#8207;@WhalerWatch..... The @NHL denies expansion report, including a second team in Toronto http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/08/27/second_nhl_team_could_be_on_its_way_to_toronto_report.html … via @torontostar

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:46 am EST

The draft talent can barely support 30 teams, but here comes expansion. An even more diluted NHL coming up.... Expansion in the NHL has become “when” and not “if” with Las Vegas being a “done deal.” (Province) There is no set second city, besides Las Vegas, for expansion but Seattle and Quebec being the leading contenders. (Province) Darren Dreger says that there is no “formal” plan for expansion but he wouldn’t be surprised if at “some point in the reasonably near future” the league does expand to 32 teams. He says that he thinks Vegas and Seattle are ahead of the other cities in regards to getting a team. (TSN 1050) There is a group in Quebec ready for a team and rink is being built to open in 2015. There is a group in Seattle that is also ready but there is no rink being built yet. (The Fourth Period)..... Per Howard Bloom @SportsBizNews..... NHL expansion – four teams added by 2017, Quebec City, Toronto, Seattle, and Las Vegas $1.4b in expansion fees

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:41 am EST

Oops. Anyway, I'm waiting for confirmation.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:39 am EST

Drew.... If my old man remembers correctly, Pat LaFontaine suffered a career ending concussion while with the Rangers. He had concussions before and even had a special-type helmet to prevent him from getting another one but it obviously didn't work. Great guy ....Rabid.... I said earlier yesterday that I don't consider Carp to be the most reliable of sources. Especially since HIS INFORMATION COME

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:47 am EST

Since I see Drew mention Fraser, again interesting to note, I can remember when Smith signed him as a free agent, Sather (then EDM GM) made a very pointed remark about it, something like 'oh goodness, millions for Scott Fraser, whats next?", and I always considered that his first salvo in angling for Smith's job. It was after that he made the more well-known crack about how if he had the Rangers bank, he'd win the Cup every year. Those two comments helped him earn his lifetime job and , @ $5m per (X 14 years) & stock options and all, probably around $100M .

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:27 am EST

Wasn't LaFontaine 97-98? I thought when Neil Smith missed out on Joe Sakic, LaFontaine was plan B. This is all by my old man memory but wasn't it friendly fire by Mike Keane that essentially ended LaFontaine's career? I thought LaFontaine was going to score 50 plus at the beginning of that season. 98-99 was the Kovalev-Nedved trade and the Scott Fraser experiment (among other things). Neil also acquired a player Mike Knuble at a young age.

DREW


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:40 am EST

We beat Tampa 10-2 that year...

Ola


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:38 am EST

jnyr- I am too young for those years. For some really odd reason I got that feeling for the 98'-99' team. I remember that 6-6 game against Toronto where Savard scored 4 assists like it was yesterday. We won the cup, had a couple of decent years, than took a huge step backwards, but then that year we had Gretzky and LaFontain. Savard was coming up. Harvey came on board. Schneider wasn't half bad, played some really good hockey for Detroit long after that season. It was Manny Malhotra's first year, right? You know, that 98-99 team first of all isn't a mess with a ton of misplaced big name stars, its a team that should have moved in the right direction. Gretz, LaFa, Savard and Malhotra at center, Langdon, Harvey and Mike Knuble providing some size at wing, all young, Sundström starting to establish himself, some vets in Graves, Stevens and Tikkanen, Leetch, Beuke, Schneider on D, Richter. But LaFontain got hurt, Gretzky retired, Stevens did his thing and sucked in general, Tikk was done, Schneider was lost, Richter wasn't "modern", we didn't trap like everyone else, Slats came on board.

Ola


Wed Aug 27 2014 5:50 am EST

Thank You Nick......love to reminisce on the 79 Rangers. Fred Shero's first year as coach. Bringing up a young Don Maloney in March against Boston. Losing the opener to Philly then steamrolling them over the next 4. The headline of the NY Post was "Victory" in red.....with a smiling JD and a slumped Potvin against the boards. Greschner's game winner in game 6.......Hedberg as a checking winger with Tkaczuk and Vickers. That team was the first Ranger team that I can recall taking over the city......the police closed down 7th ave after beating the Islander.....what fun

jnyr


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:25 am EST

http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/report_nhl_team_in_vegas_is_a_done_deal/17141381?linksrc=story_sport_nhl_module_head_17141381

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:13 am EST

I loved The Spoon and that '79 team. Man as I recall they worked and worked and almost pulled it off; May 18, 1979 (I think) when they eliminated Islanders was the best moment in decades and not surpassed until '94. Murdoch tied that game with a spin move in the circle, second period. That's the year Potvin crunched Ulf Nilsson, and seeing that prick slumped against the boards at the buzzer was schweeeet! I'm sure some other old-timers recall the scene. Then ... the next year ... they dealt off Pat Hickey and Mike McEwen, two of my faves, for that brillo-headed stiff Barry Freaking Beck. Ugh.

Nick


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:30 pm EST

sure / shore

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:32 pm EST

Rhet, Carp earlier said it sounds like Malone PTO is going to happen. Said he tried to confirm but couldn't. People are still all over, finishing up vacations and whatnot, it can be hard to get a comment, and if a contract isn't signed they won't say anything. But my guess is Rangers were first in line for Malone, as that story said they did extensive homework. I saw people like Eklund today saying Pittsburgh and Flyers were offering him tryouts too, but I'd suppose he'd want to steer clear of his old haunts there. And if its us or Philly, not a tough choice. Just to seque back to Murdoch for a sec, last I saw his old buddy Espo got him a gig when he was running Tampa Bay, first as a scout, then I remember Murdoch saying one of his jobs was to tutor the younger guys coming up on the perils of off-ice behavior. It was right around the time LeCavalier was drafted, but I'm wondering if Ryan Malone wasn't one of those guys LOL. And then I see people bashing Sather for giving a guy a second chance. Like I was saying, he was EDM GM and traded for Murdoch coming off a drug bust, and that was 36 years ago!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:05 pm EST

John Ferguson. What an idiot he was. Made the franchise a laughing stock by changing the uniforms of an original 6 teams to the Winnipeg Jets. Screwed Rod Gilbert replacing him with Lucien DeBlois. Hired the laughable Jean Guy Talbot and his stupid track suit behind the bench. Ugh. The memories are not positive.

Bob


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:05 pm EST

In regard to Ryan Malone, everyone is still reporting off that Trib article from 5 days ago and no one has confirmed the rumors they were hearing so I remain skeptical.... MF..... Supposedly, Quebec City is third. Don't count them out yet.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:03 pm EST

ah..good stuff on Donnie Murdoch aka SPOON......I know I read one book about one of his Rangers years..The boy shore loved to party..Loved to score.too....just not on the ice..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:59 pm EST

Seattle should get a team, but Las Vegas is a joke

Messier11


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:51 pm EST

Interesting to note, if Malone doesn't hook on with us he's going to play in the league somewhere this year, despite a coke bust 4 months ago. Times sure have changed.Don Murdoch, one of my all-time favs, was given a full season, 80-game ban back in 1978 when he was caught trying to go through customs with a few grams. His sentence was later reduced to 40 games, which he served. Nowadays, Ronnie Duguay gets a lot of play for having been a playboy back in the day, but Murdoch made the Rangers the year before Duguay and was a full-blown phenom in these parts at least, scored 5 goals in I think his 4th NHL game, set the Ranger rookie scoring record with 32, made the cover of the NY Times magazine and was just a full-fleged rockstar. Deadly shot, and just one of those guys with the knack for being in the right place, right time. He hurt his ankle but was really never the same after that bust & suspension, though he scored some big goals in 79 run to the finals. Nowadays they might've rehabbed him and got him back on track. This was a 1st round pick in his early-mid twenties, but then commissioner John Ziegler decided to take a stand and put the hammer down. Not many will remember, but a guy named Glen Sather traded for Murder, tried to revive him on a line with Gretzky, but it never took off. Funny thing there was I'd heard a story where Murdoch was supposed to be traded for a d-man named Colin Campbell. But somehow (it may or may not have been that boob John Ferguson finalizing the deal) the Ranger GM mistakenly agreed to accept tough guy Cam Connor in exchange for Murdoch instead. Heavens. Anyway, Murdoch was a guy with Hall of Fame ability, and I always thought it was a horrible thing in how it was handled, though he surely had no one to blame. Still, seeing a guy like Malone get away with 50 hrs community service and no nothing from the league at all that I've seen is......different.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:20 pm EST

Thought Quebec was a front runner for a franchise, what happened?

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:39 pm EST

NYR working on getting John Moore signed per Mike Brehm.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:03 pm EST

Per theScore..... Report: The New York Rangers have spoken with Ryan Malone about a potential tryout. http://thesco.re/1pEE1N0 pic.twitter.com/JceyZG2g5I

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:00 pm EST

Since the new CBA was signed, there's been plenty of talk about the NHL expanding to 32 teams. Allegedly, Las Vegas and Seattle are the front runners to get franchises.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:56 pm EST

What, you expect the kids to say how they really feel? They get taught how to handle interviews at a very young age. Chief among them is what cliche's to give at what moment. Do you think every guy really want's to give '110 percent?' I'm sure Hayes agent told him "be sure to play up the 'Original Six' angle."

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:53 pm EST

Just Jaded....

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

Youre not jaded Rhet. Its what AV said everytime he was asked.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:39 pm EST

Maybe I'm just jaded, but does anyone really think these kids today care about playing for an Original Six team or that they just use the line because it's expected of them(when signing with one)?

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:36 pm EST

A guy as in demand as Hayes would not come to a team unless he was given the impression that management thinks he's ready for the NHL, based on their scouting. Yeah, that's no guarantee....if he comes in and looks 1/2 step behind or overwhelmed or just simply outplayed by several others in camp, he'll start in the AHL...but, it makes sense that he would be told that he had a very good shot at making the team. That was his only leverage....that a lot of teams were interested and his condition was, "NHL." No one is gonna give him an iron-clad guarantee. But, in order to get him, they'd have to make a pitch....that he's got a good shot at the NHL sooner rather than later. Otherwise, why would he sign?

JFC31


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:05 pm EST

Seemed to me all along Hayes had the chance to join a great Original Six franchise and earn his way on to the team, or go to an open spot in fucking Nashville. Colorado is a nice young team, but once I heard he wanted to be near home and he was talking to Boyle I knew we had him. Haggerty is a Boston beat writer who doesntn even know Puliot wasn't on our 3rd line, because he, Brassard and Zuccarello were AT WORST our 2nd line. And that's just being deferential to Nash & Stephan in calling them a first unit. Most everyone acknowledges 2 1/2 men were out most consistent all year. The rest of what hew wrote was all maybes and possiblys, so that's some beantown jack off at his typewriter submitting that which he does not know.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 6:13 pm EST

tdchI - Maybe Hayes does make the Rangers..It' great if he' ready..great for him...great for the team .(if not for guys like MIller or Fast) ......IMWO, The Rangers aren't going to put a kid on the NHL ice who isn't ready.For the good of both him and the team.....I'm sure they talked about his long future with the Rangers but, as for the present, probably said something like "you show us in camp you're ready for the NHL, that's where you'll play, but if not, we want to do what is best for you ..and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it..." The kid sounds confident and cocky enough to not even consider not beig ready..We'll see...

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:53 pm EST

This is what the Bruins' beat writer Joe Haggery had to say on the subject: "It’s likely that the Bruins brass had a potential third-line role in mind for Hayes alongside Carl Soderberg, with the possibility he could have climbed up to the top line with Milan Lucic and David Krejci if his game developed quickly. Instead, he joins a Rangers team that’s coming off a Stanley Cup Finals appearance, and appears likely to replace Benoit Pouliot on the third line after his departure to Edmonton via free agency."

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:49 pm EST

As we had discussed here a few weeks back, I don't know if there is such a thing as a contracted stipulation in an entry level contract...but verbal assurances can go a long way...the two cases I mention specifically are WHEELER and SCHULTZ...both somewhat similar to HAYES...Wheels, I think, just didn't want to play in Phoenix...but there was no question when he was hunting for teams(the Rangers, I believe, were among them)...Wheels wasn't signing anywhere that he thought he'd have to shuttle to the AHL and sure enough, he ended up on second line, if memory serves me correct...with Schultz, it was pretty clear once the lockout was over, he wanted to be in the NHL...and when he signed with the Oilers, it was pretty clear he was going to be on Edmonton's blueline once the lockout ended....my point is simply this: If I'm shopping around for a job in a specific area and an employer there says they're interested..I'm not going to start making demands before I even have the job...but if I go to the interview and they say they want to transfer me to a satellite location and that there's a good chance that I'll spend at least a year there...I'm going to continue looking...that's all I'm saying...The Rangers either told him he's got a good chance of making the team or something along those lines...enough that he feels he's going to be in the NY lineup sometime this year...The other thing I'll mention is that I'm not sure what good the AHL would do for him...quicker than the NCAA? Yeah...More physical? Yeah...but the disparity between the leagues is narrowing at a pretty rapid rate and some of these older NCAA guys are coming in ready...Hayes is 22. We'll see how much adjusting he needs...I don't suspect it's much.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:18 pm EST

Logic; Glen Sather ain't taking that shit, period. He wants a Stanley Cup before he goes to another dimension, which is drawing nearer & neaerer. He's not going to get himself boxed into a situation like that. TD, you think this was an actual clause, a stipulation in his contract? Cause that'd be unheard of far as I know for a novice. If, as you laid out, you think he was told come and give it your best shot, we'll I'm sure he was. But the final decision rests with the club. I'd bet any thing on that.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:17 pm EST

The other thing to note, all those UFA signings outside of HAYES are on one-way contracts...the Rangers will pay them that salary regardless of where they are. Bourque and Kampfer (and Hayes) are the only guys on 2-way contracts.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:10 pm EST

Again, HAYES wouldn't have signed in New York if he didn't think he was making the NHL...or stands a very high probability of getting the call...Simple reality, guys. Had he wanted/minded starting in the AHL, he would have signed with Chicago...He'd stand a pretty good chance of being on the team in 2015...and assurances don't have to be contractual...they can be quite simple as: Hey, we lost a skilled, big-bodied winger and we're looking for a new one to take his place --we think you fit the bill. And I suspect that's what he was told: Come to camp, bust ass and show us you belong and we'll take a nice look at you next to BRASSARD and ZUCC...I don't believe for one minute the kid signed here thinking he's going to spend the year in the AHL...Not for one second, actually. He could have picked from any number of other teams that would give him a chance in the NHL next year...remember, if he goes down to the minors, that means his salary goes from $900k with up to $2.85 million in bonuses down to $70,000. Now if you're a 22-year-old kid sniffing for a contract, would YOU sign with a team that says you're going to need time in the AHL? C'mon guys. Use logic.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:03 pm EST

TD... Is it blasphemy to say I want a more reputable source than Carp? :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:57 pm EST

Rangers Report @rangersreport Haven't been able to confirm yet that Ryan Malone will be in Rangers camp on a tryout, but sounds like it's happening.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:56 pm EST

No way in wide world Kevin Hayes got any type of "assurance" he'd be on the team. More like 'sign & do as your told', or go sign in Colorado, because we already know you want to play close to home. You think Glen Sather & AV are going to let a kid fresh out of college dictate their roster decisions? THIS year?Not happening. Story in Sports Illustrated surmises Hayes is looking at next year when MSL is gone as when he can settle in. Remember, Gorton said he's "near" ready, not ready. And Jaffe tweeted a blurb presumably from someone in the know saying he "definitely" needed AHL time. Hayes aint dictating shit.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:53 pm EST

TDCHI - I have read in more than a few places that HAYES isn't ready for the NHL, and I could find that realistic...Of course he signed to play in the NHL but, he's gettijng the money either way, and it will be camp that shows whether he is ready or, more than likely, that he needs more time and a few months won't hurt..I don't think Stempniak and Lombardi or Glass stand a ghost of a chance of going down to Hartford and will be key players for the Rangers all year....Mueller, iMWO, isn't even a consideration unless injuries pile up and will be a leader down in Hartford

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:42 pm EST

From what I've seen, HAYES is NHL-ready...and from his reasons for NOT wanting to sign with Chicago, I have to assume the Rangers either agree with me and said as much to him, or have told him that there's a good likelihood he'll be in the show to start the season...Mind you, the whole purpose of him going UFA was to land a spot in the NHL...he could have done that easily with the Preds...and most likely, with the Avs --the two rumored runners up...I agree the math with the Rangers doesn't really work out in his favor...but if he's really 6'5 and 225 pounds, that's a guy who will have a big advantage heading to camp over a lot of the competition...only way I see Hayes going down is if he really tanks camp...and seeing as though he's already going to have TC under his belt, I just don't see that happening...the kid has a solid two-way game. He's no beast and I think KREIDER is probably the more physical of the two, I think he's ready to contribute now...the big questions I have now are 1. what happens if MILLER is also ready; and 2. which one of the UFA signings takes a seat/demotion to Hartford....as it stands now, MUELLER factors into being down there on a one way...gotta be STEMPNIAK or LOMBARDI.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 2:42 pm EST

Re: Ryan Malone: "IF" in fact he's getting his head & body in condition to compete, I'd like to hear MSL's inside scoop on Malone. MSL could be the key to Malone choosing NY over other interested teams...

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 2:28 pm EST

Well Rabbit, you might have some crystal balls.... ;-)

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:53 pm EST

Ooops...sorry...

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:52 pm EST

RABID - I think you give some of the kids too much of a chance but even if you are correct, that is still not the only competition..Guys (especially vets) want to play as high up the food chain as possible,..The way I see it, there are two possible opening on the 3nd line and one on the 4th with.Guys like Malone (if he shows up), Stemp, and Lombardi not only fighting the kids but also will be figthing each other ..Should force all to bring their best to Camp..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:50 pm EST

Rabid-I doubt Hayes would have signed here without some guarantees he would play at the NHL level-he was approached by some 5-6 teams-maybe more-all with rookie salary cap

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:46 pm EST

Ryan Johansen is on the verge of becoming a top ten player in the entire league IMO. Watching him play against the Penguins in last year's opening PO round was a revelation for me. I knew this kid was good and knew when I first saw him (playing on Canada's WJC) he was a lock to make the NHL, but wow, has he ever blossomed. He was, arguably, the best player on the ice for both teams and without a doubt, was like an island when it came to skill compared to the BJ mates he was playing with (even on the PP). The moves and passes he made, not to mention the anticipation of where the play was heading was just outstanding. The BJs would be fools to play hardball with him - he's easily their most skilled player and perhaps their ONLY skilled player (reserving judgement on the BJ's apparent prized youth at this point). Oh how I wish he was a Ranger but that's not gonna happen, at least not until he's like 28 years old! BTW, another kid taken very high in the draft (4th overall).

RF4L


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:15 pm EST

MF, how come In sense a Johansen for Nash trade proposal in my future? LOL. Hospo, I really have no idea how AV approaches it, was thinking aloud. He's a very methodical guy so that'd be my guess, and maybe the kids who aren't great early don't get as much of a look later, and its a progression. They will need to pare down pretty quick and if competitions heat up, think there's only about 6 preseason games. So I'm just guessing they'll have a framework on how to go about it.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:07 pm EST

RABID - I think you give some of the kids too much of a chance but even if you are correct, that is still not the only competition..Guys (especially vets) want to play as high up the food chain as possible,..The way I see it, there are two possible opening on the 3nd line and one on the 4th with.Guys like Malone (if he shows up), Stemp, and Lombardi not only fighting the kids but also will be figthing each other ..Should force all to bring their best to Camp..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:01 pm EST

Columbus' Ryan Johansen could be a holdout: http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/26/will-johansen-be-the-latest-overhardt-holdout/

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:55 pm EST

Story at 11;23 am Mess, that's all there is so far, nothing official. I did get a bunch of tweets last nigh the TC try out contract was extended to Malone, but that's unsubstantiated until .....it's substantiated LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:53 pm EST

One thing I think I see developing which is almost ideal; These camp competitions for open spots pit a vet vs a rookie almost tit-for-tat. Bearing in mind many of these guys are real versatile, but if you look at guys in what should be their STRONGEST positions, you could have Miller vs Malone for (Puliot's) LW, Lombardi vs Lindberg for 3C, Haggerty vs Stempniak RW {Dorsett), then you've got guys like Hayes that need reps, 2nd tier hopefuls (Kristo, Bourque, Fast, Hrivic). Just figuring AV needs to organize it somehow, its a lot of players! And I'm sure if someone is a clear-cut job winner, he'll make the team regardless of an exact position (Stempniak for instance). Will be interesting. Almost for sure someone we think will be real good will suck or get banged up and maybe miss a chance; same time, there's almost always a surprise. I might take Haggerty as a Rudy candidate. Really like how that kid shoots the puck.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:46 pm EST

Who's saying Malone has been offered a PTO, or anything else? I don't see it.

Messier11


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:34 pm EST

"that Dolan" ......

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:34 pm EST

I doubt very much is Dolan can name 1/2 the starters on the NY Rangers, let alone their strengths and or weaknesses.. Ditto for the Knicks...

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:43 am EST

TDCHI - Not sure I agree with you about Glass....GLass is an AV player and he will be making the calls on game night...Glass is not a goon..He can fight but.he's a banger that can also play a litttle D/PK and block some shots. and provides energy and a little protection (the only protection in the lineup)..and AV tended to use him every night....I think the same will happen in NY

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:38 am EST

Actually, the Rangers have a long and very well documented history of signing pugilists to multi-year contracts, letting them skate for a handful of games and then burying them in Hartford...Not since ORR have they had a goon they signed lace up regularly...The grabbed BRASHEAR, who stuck around for one season of a 2-year contract and was then bought out...then there was RUPP, who got the same contract only for three years...only to be traded a few weeks into his second season...Then there was BOOGAARD, rest in peace, who, had his substance abuse not taken over, probably was headed down a similar path as Brashear...just couldn't play the game Torts wanted from him...and last but not least, ASHAM, who signed a two-year contract ad lasted a total of 43 games...10 of which were desperation games during the playoffs...before getting buried in Hartford and riding out his playing days on an AHL charter bus...Not saying GLASS has a similar future ahead of him, but I will note that he is a cog that doesn't fit AV's game plan...especially if he wants fourth line to be speedsters like the rest of the lineup...I think Glass will find himself in the lineup far more sparingly than any of us suspect right now unless he clicks with whoever is on his line and they start putting up numbers...Glass to me sounds like Dolan looking through the lineup and asking "where's the goon?" and AV grudgingly telling Sather if he's going to have a knuckle-dragger, go for the guy he knows best.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:28 am EST

Had been wondering for weeks who the Rangers would surprise us with a PTO for camp..Well, I guess I got my answer in MALONE....What's not to like ? Nothing to lose and, if he has his shit and game together. he adds so much more depth and flexibility to an already deeper and more flexible Ranger roster...He can slide anywhere from 3rd line to 4th line to Black Ace..or be dumped without a moment's hesitation..............Still, to me it looks like SATHER is covering all the bases, crating depth with Stemp, LOmbardin and Malone when there was none before.........The Youth lovers may be a bit peeved becasue, to me, it looks like the only one that has a SLIGHT chance of making the team is JT MILLER and tha;t only if he has HIS SHIT together....But the beauty is that if the kids don't make , they ill be getting ready in Hartford and when the injuries and/or slumps start, guys like Miller, Hayes, Fast and Linberg can step in......or there is plenty of depth to make a trade at the deadline..I love what Sather has except for a little quuibble on toughness ...I still see the roster as something like Nash-Step-Kid K (for now); MZA-Brassard-St.Louis (for now)....Hageline-Lombardi -Stemp/Malone/Miller and Glass-Moore-Stemp/Malone/MIller..we shall see..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:25 am EST

Tortorella............. omg! :-)

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:23 am EST

RANGERS DOING LOTS OF HOMEWORK ON MALONE Sources close to Ryan Malone say the former Penguins and Lightning winger getting busted for a DUI and cocaine possession in April might have ended up being the best thing for him. "It was a wake up call for him," a source close to Malone said. Malone is said to be in excellent shape, training in Minnesota right now, and is determined not to end his career by being remembered for his off-ice issues, those close to him say. Lightning officials for one believe Malone's decline in play over the last two years had more to do than just his body breaking down. Malone while nicknamed "King of the Southside" when he played in Pittsburgh, is said to have been in a real bad way (off the ice) the last couple years and his lack of commitment off the ice only got worse when his wife Abby filed for divorce in 2012. Things obviously hit rock bottom for him this past April. Was it really a wake up call? No one truly knows but whoever brings Malone in on a tryout invite or two-way contract is likely to get a very motivated player I hear. As expected for a player who has been on the decline and was arrested for a DUI/cocaine possession (cocaine charge is expected to be thrown out) during the NHL season, teams have not been blowing up Malone's agent's phone. That said a few are considering him. At the recommendation of Rick Kehoe, one team that has done extensive homework on Malone is the New York Rangers, Inside Pittsburgh Sports has learned. They have spoken to Malone about a training camp invite and a possible two-way contract. However, not clear if the Kevin Hayes signing limits Malone's chances of joining New York.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:06 am EST

Malone would also continue sather's love affair with old TB Lightning; Ive lost track of how many have been here already; Richards, St. Louis, Boyle, Fedotenko...pretty sure there's more. Flip side, they've got our former captain, Boyle, and Stralman.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:06 am EST

I'm stoked about the Malone invitation to camp, and if he needs a bit more time in addition to pre-season to get into better shape, (physically & or mentally) 10 or so games in Hartford is not an insult.... A healthy Malone can be penciled onto any of the top three LW's, and voila, "Line Combo Bingo" away.... For starters, he may afford Nash the physicality to play a bit more relaxed........AON: The competition for spots is going to be awesome this pre-season...... AS P/Y pointed out, we could see 1 or 2 players rotated in & out of the lineup as the schedule & naturally injuries dictate.... Who knew a little drugs & alcohol could be so exciting? :-)

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:40 am EST

Puck.... Excellant points. Sather also always seems to have a love-hate thing with this type of signing. It very rarely works out. Mike Rupp was probably the biggest success story of all of the signings and he only played parts of 2 seasons with the team(68 games). it also make you wonder why Sather continues to do it ....BOB....Some excellent hockey players were never drafted(St. Louis, D. Boyle, Girardi, etc.). At least with un-drafted Free Agents, we get an idea of how good they could be instead of just guessing at their talent level when they're 18-19. Maybe it's a little bit less of a crap shoot :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:23 am EST

I don't think Hayes makes the team, barring a bustout camp. Didnt see it mentioned but apparently he suffered a real severe leg injury as a junior, blew out all the veins, etc. I didn't see where he had ACl/MCL damage, but Hayes said after that he realized he couldn't dangle as much and needed to play a power forward's game. He said he & Kreider both think the game great, but he was honest enough to say no one skates like Kreider. But I don't think - best case scenario - they see Malone affecting Glass' 4th line spot. In his better days Malone played top 6, played with St Louis, LeCavalier, etc. And its Puliot's spot we still need to fill (though Id fill it with Kreider and juggle the rest of my lineup).

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:21 am EST

Anthony Duclair's 8 pts in 3 GP (3-5-8) are already a career preseason high, and he ranks 2nd in QMJHL for scoring

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:13 am EST

Rabid-it's a numbers game. I imagine Glass as the 4th line fighter will be dressing for Philly & Boston types and sitting against the finesse teams.We have a habit of underultilizing tough guys-and Tanner Glass ain't gonna score 20 goals or 40 pts. Tanner Glass was signed before Hayes, and if we bring Malone in and he makes the team in camp (big if)-the numbers don't get better for him

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:49 am EST

World's worst Ranger site Puck you. Logic should tell them the Rangers didn't sign Glass for 3 years so they could force him out of the lineup - before he ever laced up his skates. Sheesh. Those BSB guys do nothing but regurgitate actual reports, and ramble their crapola from their mothers' basements, because they report nothing themselves, then they sit around in a little circle jerk and make jokes to one another in between debates about Corsi & Fenwick numbers. They tried a newsletter of the same quality I wouldn't let my dog piss on.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:33 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/26/6069017/are-the-rangers-forcing-tanner-glass-out-of-the-lineup

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:09 am EST

Ryan MALONE would be great addition to this team...not sure where he fits into this lineup, but he's definitely a type of player they don't have in the lineup right now...and anytime a team can get bigger up front, I'm all for it...I've wanted Malone on the Rangers since watching him in the cup finals 2007-08...dude was a beast...Now naturally, that was seven years ago and he's a different player now...but if there's a chance the Rangers can rekindle any of this guy's former glory, he'd be an asset and a half...Mean customer too.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:14 am EST

Malone's arrest was said to have been 'a wake up call' and hes said to be in excellent shape.We'll see. Could help notice in googling Malone apparently told cops he was 'baffled' how blow made its way into his back pocket LOL...and in Pittsburgh he was known as "The King of the Southside" HAHA... Oh boy....LOL..Im ine who thought AVs bunch was too vanilla anyway. They can use a few swashbuckling outlaws LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:06 am EST

Malone has been skating at the Octagon hockey camp and looked good per the report. NYR did extensive homework & apparently feel comfortable enough to offer a tryout or two way deal. Ill guess if he's healthy he probably looks pretty good, but agree Ola, last time I saw him he looked like he was wrapped like a mummy and couldnt move.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:49 am EST

With Malone, I think it all comes down to what kind of shape he is in. The last Malone I saw in the NHL didn't seem to be in all that good shape at all, and a player like him will never do well if that is the case.

Ola


Tue Aug 26 2014 6:02 am EST

Sather is being very smart and taking a page out of the devils playbook from the 90s interchangeable players that fit the system. Lose or move a player plug another one in without missing a beat smart and the way to build your team.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 11:23 pm EST

RHET--If any of these guts pans out, I will agree with you. With most of them, plenty of other teams passed so we'll see if the Rangers are smarter than everyone else.I hope they are.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 11:00 pm EST

McCarthy

Messier11


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:54 pm EST

A lot has been made about the picks we've surrendered the last couple of years, but not enough of a deal has been made about how good of a job we've done in replacing those picks. Those players include: Kevin Hayes, Ryan Haggerty, Conor Allen, Matt Bodie, Tommy Hughes, Petr Zamorsky and Cam Talbot (among others). Talbot was a home run and Hayes, Allen and Haggerty all seem to be solid first round picks. Not that they'll all work out, but solid picks none-the-less.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:10 pm EST

IMO, The Rangers don't have real depth unless two of the kids make the team. Even then, we'd still have to see if they pan out. We're looking at a few month's before we can trade from 'depth.' If both Miller and Hayes make this team, it has the potential to be very, very good. There is only upside to bringing Malone to camp. Sather loves his reclamation projects and he'll only get a spot if he earns it; otherwise, he goes away. Win-win. In regard to Thornton, I just don't see how we fit him on the team THIS season. We'd just have to give up too much depth to make the salary work. Also, Jason Spezza, David Krejci and Brad Richards are free agents in the offseason :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:02 pm EST

Malone's problem has been staying healthy. And apparently cocaine, DUIs, divorce and what ever else. He's been a mess so Sather takes a shot, maybe you catch a guy down on his luck and show some faith and he repays you. Maybe not. But I think its pretty clear at this point they're just trying to bring in as many decent hockey players as they can, and they'll let AV sort it out. They've got guys who've been in the league (Stemp), out of the league (Lombardi), prospects (Hayes), free agents, and some targeted reclamation projects like Malone. Plus all the kids who may/may not cut it. I think its EXACTLY what they should be doing. And I'm glad they're (apparently) taking this waiver on a guy with size & edge. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 8:42 pm EST

Malone is Clowe II, minus all those silly draft picks....

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 7:10 pm EST

RR: Yes - But clearly NO ONE commands the respect that Pyatt does!!! Stay thirsty, my friend... :)

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:50 pm EST

Malone is a 6-time 20 goal scorer. Was nearly a 50-pt player as recently as two years ago, had 48. He's 6-4/225 and a hundred times nastier than Taylor Pyatt ever was. They say he's determined not too have the arrest thing be the last thing he's remembered for, and who knows, if he can get back close to where he was, he's not that far removed from Beniot Puliot. So I can't imagine on a tryout or two-way deal how its problematic.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 5:17 pm EST

well SOMEONE needs to fill in for Pyatt

Messier11


Mon Aug 25 2014 5:13 pm EST

With all of these acquisitions, some of which seem redundant, and all the scuttlebutt about guys like Malone, it seems like maybe Sather is thinking about stockpiling the proverbial "interchangeable flock of forwards" so that no matter who he has to trade, he's got a serviceable replacement. I can't imagine all of these guys like Hayes & Haggerty think they're coming here to be in the AHL at 24 years old....can't imagine guys like Lombardi & Stempniak came here for anything other than to be on the starting roster. There are too many players and not enough positions available....I can't imagine that this is not being done purposefully in anticipation of a big trade or two.

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 4:19 pm EST

Didn't Ryan Malone turn into Kevin Stevens minus the hookers? He wasn't playing in Tampa for most of the year because he was beaten out by younger players. Why exactly do the Rangers need him now? Truly a question.........I just don't see the fit. The guy was on the Lightning because he was to be a veteran leader, then he blew up.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 4:08 pm EST

On the flip side Bob, hes not giving up anything for soon-to-be 35 Ryan Malone ;)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:59 pm EST

JFC---I don't disagree, but there are clearly issues with the guy in the locker room and Sather was fleeced for 2 #1 picks and Ryan Callahan for a guy that would go nowhere except the Rangers. Prior, he was fleeced by Doug Wilson for Ryane Clowe. I fear what Sather may give up for 35 yo who, if his skills have not begun to decline they will begin to shortly. Would he be the best center in the organization? Yes. But for how long?

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:53 pm EST

Malone is actually just what they need, albeit from his 27-yr old form. 34 now, but I'm all for giving guys a look. People will berate it Im sure, but its flat-out hard to find that combo in players. They tried to find Sather for a comment, but hes out getting dinner, at Family Dollar.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:40 pm EST

Malone-if clean and healthy (looks like he's been banged up last few years and was bought out b4 the DUI/coke thing) was a good winger-but it seems like we have plenty of depth-unless Slats wants more bodies.

puckyou


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:29 pm EST

Always liked Malone. Thought they might pick him up last year but his contract was fat. Supposedly did extensive homework on him and he's in excellent shape. Camp tryout or maybe two-way deal. Big mean forward that can score when healthy.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:16 pm EST

Rangers have spoken with Ryan Malone-http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/buzz-the-rangers-have-spoken-with-ryan-malone/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:03 pm EST

Gotta say, the lineup LOOKS much more formidable with JT, but that too is meaningless. Its how they play together, what their top level is, and when they play to it. Still, looks more like a very deep contending team, if they can do it for Miller ++. Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, Hagelin-Thorton-Nash, Stempniak-Stepan-St Louis, Glass-Moore-Lombardi.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:40 pm EST

RF: The "A" stands for Anthony. :-)

mf


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:25 pm EST

E: Disagree on what it would cost because 1) Spezza is younger (by like 7 years) and 2) Spezza didn't cost nearly that. The negative about Spezza is unless he resigns, he's a rental player for the Stars.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:14 pm EST

Trash talk between Thorntons brother/agent and SJ

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:13 pm EST

Bob -- when a guy gets striped of his "C" and reads about it in the papers, there's a big problem there. Plus, there was some ready talk between Thorntons brother/agent and SJ management. It seems to be a case of, "where there's smoke, there's fire."

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:10 pm EST

And he was a +20...8 better than our best (Stepan). He can obviously play well with and without the puck.

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:05 pm EST

Joe Thornton had more ASSISTS than anyone on our team had POINTS! C'mon! Loser? That's it? That's why we shouldn't get him? More assists than anyone on our team had points and he's suddenly going to turn into crap during the off-season? Is that how NHL coaches & execs evaluate whether to get a guy? ..."...he's a loser, let's not get him." Can we be a bit more objective in what a 65-assist center could do for our team? No chance he might make players around him better and more productive? Nash maybe? Kreider?

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:05 pm EST

A couple of fly bys... 1. In what world is San Jose thin on the blue line? 2. Thornton has not been asked, nor has he asked to be traded. In other words, he isn't gonna be traded unless something else happens to force that. The same cannot be said about Pat Marleau who is a good candidate to be moved. 3. In what world do we pin the failure of the Sharks in the post season on Thornton? Somewhere other then San Jose that's where. He has played at about a PPG pace in the post season. Outside of this seasons almost across the board fizzle Thornton has NEVER been the issue in SJ post season woes. Thornton doesn't stop pucks. Thornton doesn't make his defense come unglued. Thornton doesn't cause injuries at key times. And most importantly, Thornton does not cause Marleau to completely evaporate in the post season. I'm not really sure where some of this stuff comes from. Thornton is well on his way to being a HOF player. IF the New York Rangers wanted to trade for him, start at the Spezza trade and then turn up the volume. Thornton is better player then Spezza is in all 3-zones and is equally adept at playing a checking forward role as well as an offensive role. So take Stepan, JT Miller, Danny Kristo, and 2-2nds, or a 1 and work play around from there. In other words, prepare to get fleeced. Now, take Stepan out of the equation because they already have Couture and Hertl (both of which are much better options ) are stacked and add a winger who is cap friendly and is a prototypical San Jose player. Oh!!! We have one. Chris Krieder... Wanna trade him? Didn't think so... Neither do I. So that kills the Thornton ideas. Just some musing... Any other ideas because that one makes zero sense right now unless the cap/asset landscape radically changes.

E


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:03 pm EST

For me, Duclair at this point is as close to an untouchable prospect as the Rangers have (next to Hayes of courses).

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:52 pm EST

I would ask for Duclair LOL. Think they'll only get one A prospect, ready or not. But already, we've got guys getting backed up, B prospects & such. Its great to have depth but at some point you have to do something with these guys too, they're entitled to a shot somewhere if they perform well. Little Bourque busted out for 21 goals last year, is a real good PKer and team guy, and we went out & signed Stemp, Lombardi, Glass, Haggerty and now Hayes in addition to the guys he was already competing against. So some housecleaning may be in order too.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:51 pm EST

Speaking of Duclair, he's wearing an A for his junior team (Quebec) and in 2 pre-season games so far he's put up 5 assists and is a +5. Nice start...

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:44 pm EST

Although JT Miller is more NHL ready-I would imagine any GM eyeing NYR prospects would ask for Duclair

puckyou


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:36 pm EST

The one thing I do know is SJ needs help on the blue line, they're real thin there and in the minors ask well, though I think they drafted a few, will have to check. And in the last few years we must've signed 6-8 UFA dmen, the Donnay types, etc. People can look to shit on them as c-level guys, but I haven't seen them much except Traverse last year and when we got a sneak peak of Allen, plus what I saw at Htfd, but if we saw something we liked in them maybe another club will as well. And that's what a package would look like if you go NY the other recent deals; A-level NHL prospect , B-B+ prospect, and a pick or real project of a prospect. In SJs shoes, the cant hope for much more. And as someone said, 8 agree, I don't think they want him on their team anymore.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:30 pm EST

BTW, with Buch and Duclair coming probably next year I would assume that Sather and AV would be less worried about giving up prospects like Miller this year....

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:27 pm EST

To some degree the JT situation is similar to when we traded for Gaborik and Nash; we have some excess parts which allow us to give up a few "core", "near-core" or prospects in order to 1 better player we (I assume) would think would hake a difference in the next 2 years of Cup-runs at the expense of the future. Sather's track record would be to go for it all now (especially since he must be considering retiring at some point).

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:23 pm EST

Jumbo Shrimp is not a winner. Players want to come to NY because the club treats the players like gold and they can get retirement contracts from Sather. Add to that the absurd overpayment for Ryane Clowe and the absurd overpayment for St. Louis.....a guy who would ONLY be willing to be traded to the Rangers, and my fear of Sather doing damage to the franchise in any Jumbo Shrimp deal outweighs any possible upside I can see.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:17 pm EST

Even if the assumption is Thornton is fading (and with 76 pts its not much of a fade yet, if at all) all that would matter is what's left, and its still a pretty good hockey player, one better than anyone else we have at the position. That's why I'd look at things like his age & salary as issues but not critical issues. THE critical issue the team faces is can it get better? There I'd have to say JT would help, HOWEVER, 11 goals alarms me. We already have one center who won't shoot the puck enough. And if he weren't included in the deal, and I'd sure hope he wouldn't be, Thornton would mean a guy like Lindberg is boxed out for the foreseeable future. So that's another downside in my view. But is that (and the price you'd have to pay to get him) make it not worth it? Do we need some size in the middle? Uh, yeah. And I don't remember JT being very nice to play against in his younger Boston days. I dont get to see much of him now, nut Im guessing some edge is still there. Still, that whole equation is where I get stuck and why I'm neutral on the idea right now.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:14 pm EST

And, it could be that our being near the cap may actually help "force" SJ to eat some of the cost of JT since they know that we cannot afford him otherwise. So, if SJ truly wants to move him it's probably going to become "possible" for Sather to find a favorable trade. But, again, I'm not sold on him coming here.....

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:01 pm EST

Bob - exactly. I would have been interested in 2005-2006...possibly...but now...with THORNTON entering those crucial years where the likelihood of his career sunsetting is only getting greater? Yeah...if the Rangers want to recreate the 2003-2004 Rangers...just a bunch of overpaid guys in the twilight of their careers...Thornton would be outstanding in that capacity...Never liked the guy much and when he suffered a case a verbal diarrhea after the much better Sharks got thumped by the Rangers("the softest team in the NHL"), I remember thinking he was one of the biggest tools in the NHL...that thought was reaffirmed with his epic choke in the first round. Joe Thornton=EHLOSER.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 12:07 pm EST

Not excited about Jumbo Shrimp at all. Doug Wiison fleeced Sather last time.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 11:17 am EST

RF, cap & age are two off-ice concerns, really. That won't deter Sather, or AV, who has said talent has no age. We're in the window here, the Cup window. I dont see those factors weighing as heavily as they otherwise might. As you said, Thornton could help Nash. I'm sure that's a primary consideration. TD, what if we're in the process of JT falling in our laps right now? That's what it seems like to me. It took 2 years for St Louis to land here if you read the background stuff after the trade. These deals, high profile guys, big salaries, NMCs, there's a p.r. element to it, they get complicated. And Sather will wait forever and a day sometimes. But if you remember about 3 years ago they asked him what he wanted, and he said a Vezina winner in net (Hank), a power forward (Nash, at one time) a big 100-pt center (JT,formerly) and a monster dman. Well its not perfect by any stretch but he could end up with 3 of the 4. The thing that tells me Thorton is 100% moving somewhere is him being stripped. I can't even remember it happening anywhere, but to ask a guy to be a core member of your team after that is nuts. That's an aggressive move by a club, and to do it to a guy with stature is almost unheard of. My guess is if it happens it could be a timeline similar to Messier, right at the end of camp, everyone has had a chance what they're getting. But it's not like that situation in SJ is going to improve. Don't think you can come back from that.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:48 am EST

TD: Re cap and age - that's why I'm on the fence (or 2 reasons why). Regarding the former, I'm assuming Sather would wrangle it so that the money going the other way coupled with what SJ would likely have to eat would make it a wash. If not, it cannot be done IMO. BTW, JT has 2 more years after this one left on his deal. If he's slowing down (and I don't know if he is or not), that should be a significant concern. Too bad Sather didn't let this team bottom out during one (or more) of the years from 04 to 08 - if so, there'd be no Nash, no MSL and no Thornton talk. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:46 am EST

And that's kind of the point, RF4L...Sather ISN'T chasing Thornton...you guys can't tell me all that schmoozing from JT'S end...daydreaming about being a Ranger...only to have nothing happen...The silence on the Rangers' end was telling: They don't see the guy in their plans for the rest of 2014...probably 2015 too...if the guy falls into their lap...maybe...but as we've all more or less agreed...that ain't going to happen anytime soon.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:41 am EST

RF4L - Not sure how you can look at JT's cap hit and his age and say he's a good fit for the Rangers. The only thing he's a good fit with is NASH...both are players with an immense amount of talent that have a nasty habit of vanishing when the going gets tough...JT's had two real notable disappearing acts...the first was right before he got booted from beantown and the second was right before he lost his captaincy. And the reality is JT ain't coming this way for a few marginal prospects from Hartford...he ain't coming for MILLER...if he comes this way, it's going to be for two roster players and probably the 2016 first rounder...if you can make that trade sound good for the Rangers, then you're one hell of a wordsmith.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:37 am EST

mf: My understanding of Thornton is that he's a consummate team player who rarely, if ever, rocks the boat and I cannot recall one incident where he caused a problem by running down his team or a team mate to the media. From what I can discern, the single biggest criticism that has dogged him and continues to do so, is that he's too nice. He doesn't play a physical game (but isn't afraid of the corners and in front of the net, mind you) and seems to fail to ramp things up when the pressure is on. It's apparently why the Bruins traded him so many years ago. Personally, I think he'd fit in nicely with the Rangers, but can he lead them to a cup? IMO, he's a piece of the puzzle, not THE piece. Fact of the matter is that the Rangers don't have such a piece (Lundqvist aside, but that's a different story). It's why Sather has been chasing the likes of Nash, MSL and now perhaps Thornton. He's never been able to draft and develop such a talent and it's part of the reason why the Rangers are now 20 years and counting for a cup (over 1/2 of those years under his watch, too).

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:36 am EST

Ranger47 - Remember they did the same thing to MARLEAU a few years back...but he's still on the team...My take on SJ is that you have a bunch of talented guys who can never go the extra mile to get to the cup finals, much less get the cup itself...I mean, how many years has SJ had in incredible team that has dominated the regular season only to basically wash up in the playoffs? It's remarkable, quite frankly...and to watch that team knuckle under to the Kings after going up 3-zip was just something terrific. All under JT's watch as captain. So yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't mind moving his dumbass...I just hope Sather has the sensibility to stay away from him...The Bruins called the ball on this guy early on...they knew nothing good was coming from building a team around him and they moved him for essentially a collection of pluggers...and despite my reaction at the time, JT hasn't done anything to suggest they got a bad deal back then.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:23 am EST

We all learned a lot from the MSL transaction & that includes Sather & the Ranger Brass. There's no rush on our part here, and there's really no rush for JT either. all he has to do is keep his mouth shut and collect a handsome check.... Another scenario is, he can not keep his mouth shut which may start to irritate tea mates and force San Jose's hand even more... If he goes the latter, do you want that kind of guy in your locker room? .... AON, do you import a $6.75million yearly salary in hopes he gets your $7.8million dollar man to the next level, or do you keep the status quo, do you listen for offers for your $7.8 million dollar man?

mf


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:23 am EST

TD: I think it's more you than anything/anyone else who's adamant that JT on the Rangers makes no sense. There are others who clearly disagree with you. Me, I'm in the middle. Unlike you, I don't think JT is worthless and do feel he'd immediately become the Rangers best center if he was acquired (and that's whether or not Stepan went the other way). However, I am concerned that he's not been able to lead the Sharks to any real PO success, despite a strong team and several attempts at doing so. That said, it's not all on him, either - it's a team game and one could argue Dan Boyle also failed there, yet I've seen no protest about him being a loser (and yeah, he does have a cup on his resume so it's tough to argue too strongly about that - but he was a loser in SJ). I also don't like his age, especially given MSL's age - that's 1/3 of your top 6 35 and older. Worrisome. I also don't like his contract - it places a certain pressure on the Rangers cap no matter who goes the other way, unless of course SJ eats say 1/3 of it. Finally, as surely you know, I am extremely reluctant to give up more youth - Hayes being signed was a coup, but the rest of how Sather has endeavored to make up for all those high picks gone recently is better than sitting on his hands, but could possibly fetch a net return of zero. This organization cannot afford to move away more picks and/or prized youth. That's why I said I'd be okay with a deal for JT if youth went the other way if a first rounder also came to NY. Bottom line, it's a tough call for me - not nearly as cut and dried as it is for you. Also, getting JT fits very well with what Sather has been doing recently, like it or not. And there's obviously a history between Sather and Wilson - not only the obvious (that stupid Clowe trade) but at least 1 minor league deal (Mashinter I believe). Finally, Sather, when it comes to deals, usually operates below the media radar (as he did with the MSL); no way would I interpret nothing out of NY as an indication there's no interest and/or talks aren't quietly happening.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:04 am EST

Sounds to me like SJ wants JT off their team (with as much cap relief as they can get in the process) and took away the C in order to get him to open up his NMC to other teams than the Rangers. Not to say I want hm, but I can see SJ taking back almost nothing in order to get rid of him and his contract. So, after Sather gets a good look at what he has coming out of training camp and preseason, and after SJ decides what the market is to get rid of JT, I could easily see a possible deal coming. Or, if this festers for the regular season, I could see JT coming over closer to the trade deadline (assuming we think it will help is to the Cup). I'd prefer to pass on him, though.

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:04 am EST

We'll see, TD. that situation is worsening though, no doubt. Should tip the leverage scales a bit more in our favor, and thusly Sather is smart to wait. And again, I think we need to evaluate or risk making a big boo-boo with some of our kids. This is a perfect time for them to show what they've got, and some of these guys can really be players. If its me I might deal JT or Allen or Kristo, but none of them lightly. The deal's gotta be right - for both sides.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:58 am EST

RF4L - I dunno. I think there was a lot of speculation that MSL was unhappy with YZERMAN after the Olympic snub, but the first I recall ever hearing he wanted out was from Boomer...The deal heated up right around the time Boomer started chattering...that was a great example of where there's smoke there's fire...But in this case, we got a lot of chatter and no movement...If the rumors were true back in June and the Rangers had interest in him, he'd be a Ranger by now...but the reality is, he doesn't make sense on so many different levels for the Rangers...and yet here we are chatting about him...RR - if there was(is) to be a deal for this hack, the only time I could see it happening would be at the deadline.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:50 am EST

If I recall correctly, nothing came out of the Rangers camp about them desiring MSL, too. Meanwhile, rumours about MSL wanting out of Tampa went on for weeks, if not months. Perhaps I'm wrong but seems to me the first time we heard the Rangers were interested is when Boomer E mentioned it on the radio.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:46 am EST

TD I was just logging off to do some actual work today, but you're a pisser. Yes, you're right in how its gone this off-season, but what if Sather is waiting them out?!! you know how patient that SOB is. Just cause he didn't jump and give up the farm in late June is meaningless. Doesn't mean he thinks Thornton is a worthless piece of dung, but I'll take a wild guess you do LOL. And that's fine too!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:42 am EST

RR: Not to beleaguer this any longer, but the last time the JT talk came up was shortly before the Rangers bought out RICHARDS...Like weeks away...rumor heated up that the Sharks were looking to go a different direction...one that didn't involve Jumbo Shrimp...There was a ton of chatter about how Thornton wasn't interested in leaving SJ and that one of the only teams he was interested in joining was the Rangers...so you have a team that wants to move a guy...guy has an NTC and starts saying the only place he wants to go is NY...and then nothing happens. Not a peep from MSG. Then they strip the guy of his C. I don't know how else to read that other than disinterest on the Rangers part...mind you, this was all done right around the same time as the Rangers had a bunch of cap space...They actually could have fit Jumbo Shrimp under the cap back then...and they didn't. Rangers correctly see JT for what he is, which is a hack who isn't half the player he once was and a loser who hasn't won squat in his career, despite being on some VERY talented teams.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:37 am EST

From what I saw of Thornton in the POs, which was a few games, he looked real good to me. Not much question he'd be our best center, but by how much IDK. Brass & Step are pretty darn good. He'd just be another puzzle piece IMO, but a biggie if he could help Nash. RF, if you look at the standard packages for these bigger names, its usually a 3 asset deal. Look what Kovalachuk brought back, and he was 7 years younger. I think a former first rounder like JT is a real nice return for them, Allen might be able to move right onto their D. Throw in a pick 2nd round or later is about as far as I'd go. That's two starters and a pick plus they're relieved of Thorton's contract, which is like $20m(minus the $ this year they'd have to pick up, guesstimate around 3m. We can't fit JT otherwise, even if we included Klein.) And JHS excites me, by not in that way!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:27 am EST

RR: Re boner - I assume not for you boy down on the Island, too. Right? ;^)

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:26 am EST

RR: I think it's a pretty bet to say JT Miller and Connor Allen won't be enough to fetch Jumbo Joe.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:26 am EST

Rangers didn't have a spot for Thornton last year. They do now if we're talking Richards' spot/vacancy, call it 1-2-3 or whatever you like. But far as I know there's zero published evidence the teams ever discussed a swap last season, so IDK where this, "the NYR told him to go scratch" idea comes from. Early in the off-season there's been some stories, but this saga isn't over by a long shot. I'll steer clear of the boner talk ha. But when I get one its certainly not for Joe Thornton LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:25 am EST

I dont get all this talk about Thornton. Huge contract & 35 yrs old to boot. You thought Richards lost a step over his time here just wait till we get our hands on Jumbo Joe!!! No way am I trading for that guy unless it's a Jagr from the Caps 2.0-type of deal.

PatrickDiv


Mon Aug 25 2014 8:55 am EST

Oh and not to douse anyone's JT boner with some ice water, re-read Rhet's post. That sums it up quite nicely: JT blew a few kisses at the Rangers and they told him to go scratch. Maybe at the deadline things will be different...but the fact that this loser isn't a Ranger says to me they're not interested and never were.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 8:51 am EST

York - So you slept right through where I said I wouldn't trade Arron Asham's rights for Thornton...Wouldn't trade any asset for this clown. I see that point was lost on you. No matter. And yes, Thornton is a loser.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 7:26 am EST

Connor Allen BTW is another guy on the cusp. Really liked the little we saw of him, and he may be ready to step in for somebody. hard to see him cracking our lineup unless someone is dealt. So he's another borderliner like JT, but if I had to I'd label him futures. Present & future. JT & Allen wouldn't get it done but its geting close. Thornton is 35 with a big contract & NMC, he'd have to come discounted. No way we're taking anybody major off the team for him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:53 am EST

JFC31: I agree that this is an important assessment camp and I think it will have a large influence on the teams direction for the near future .If I remember correctly (it gets harder every year) Messier was thirty when he came here and was a shell by the time he reached thirty-five. Thorton is up there and I think it is reasonable to believe his play will steadily decline, by how much, who knows. The point is what will it take to get him. York is correct in what SJ will want, If Sather thinks he has the replacements ready to step in in a year or two, say when JT and MSL are put out to pasture then he will push the deal. Throwing in another #1 pick will have the most long term ill effect.

gene_carr


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:51 am EST

Sorry. There's always Staal as in Eric

Messier11


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:46 am EST

York I dont even know I want Thorton lol. Id prefer a top flight wing. But what is JT Miller? Future prospect or proven NHLer? Ive said more than once I think hes likliest to go, and if I had to define him in a short sentence, he doesnt have as n NHL past, so hes a present-future guy. But Jt alone wouldnt get it done naturally. We'd have to move about $3m+ AND SJ eats 50%. So tough deal to make.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:27 am EST

Rabid you state all SJ will get is futures, then say they are rebuilding on the fly and want players for now. You contradict the reality of the demand and need against your want as a fan. Futures does not fill what SJ needs now they need at least one legit top 2 line player that is young not 3/4 line guys signed that they could have had for nothing. Would I love for your proposes deal to be reality? Yes, but it is not likely, much like clowe and msl sather will have to pay and if he thinks Joe is the difference between losing a cup finals and winning he will trade Stepan and prospects to do it.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:10 am EST

TD everyone is a loser till they win and this isn't golf one player doesn't make a losing team. Ray bourque was a loser till he went to Colorado? Win or not still one of the best ever, how about chelios, or hull? I can go on and on. Messier must have been a loser because the only time he could win a cup was when Lowe and Anderson played with him. I love how miller is now worth more than Joe one of the elite in the game you have no broken the barrier of delusional when it comes to miller.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:02 am EST

Rabid exactly it's unrealistic to think we will role a 1,2,3 punch of centers like that no one does in this league. You can forget 1-3 Moore is one of the best fourth line centers in the league add in on wing Nash Kreider msl and zucc and this team is stacked beyond reality one of brass step go in a trade for Joe. SJ is going to want to replace Joe to an extent and prospects don't do it Stepan does. I know we'd love to have a stacked roster but reality is sj is not going to roll over to trade Joe. They will want a roster player top two lines a prospect and a pick.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:18 am EST

Rhet0ric summed it up perfectly: THORNTON already threw himself at the Rangers a la St. Louis and they rebuffed his advances. He makes no sense on so many different levels, the least of which is he's a loser. If JT costs a couple of guys like Fast and Kristo? Great. Go for it. An actual roster player? Nope. Not for this clown. Certainly not for Step, and certainly not for Miller.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 12:28 am EST

and Girardi

mf


Mon Aug 25 2014 12:06 am EST

and theres always Staal

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 10:50 pm EST

Sather is not trading Derek Stephan for Joe Thorton, it'd defeat the whole purpose. The idea would be to add Thorton to Step & Brassard, make a 1-2-3 few if any teams could match. San Jose is in a big bind with Jumbo Joe, 11 goals, a $6m+ salary, and a full NMC he has every intention of exorcising. And he is getting traded, no doubt, though whether its here or not remains to be seen. But if Thorton lands here it'll be for FUTURES.Maybe, maybe as part of a package they get even a Stemniak or Lombardi, to help them short term, but even that's doubtful. They want to reshape on the fly, infuse new (young) blood. Its why in the last few years they've cut loose Clowe & Boyle, and I'm convinced the 3-yr deals Thorton & Marleau signed were sign & trade (the next year) deals. They were very reasonable against market prices (with virtually no haggling) for that reason, so Doug Wilson can move them. And if he holds out for an unrealistic demand, he can suck a nut. Marleau he might be able to move easier, but there's some definite bad blood brewing between Thortons camp and the SJ front office. JT said he talked to McClullenn that day and not a word about stripping his C was mentioned, then Jumbo found on from a reporter. Stay tuned on that one. But we're getting him at a discount with SJ picking up some big bucks or not at all.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 24 2014 10:14 pm EST

mf: Concur that you don't trade Stepan without thinking it through thoroughly.

RF4L


Sun Aug 24 2014 9:45 pm EST

There are currently two ways I can envision parting with STEPAN; 1) The Rangers engage him in contract negotiations and find they are a universe apart dollar-wise with no foreseeable agreement. 2) The return is so great that the NY Ranger Brass can't pass it up....

mf


Sun Aug 24 2014 8:11 pm EST

If Stepan is included in a trade for JT, then the Rangers need to ensure they get some sort of future asset in the deal. Stepan hasn't proved yet to be a true number one and he may never get there, but IMO he's a legitimate number 2 and at his young age, he may still evolve into a decent number 1. In other words, he's not someone you trade indiscriminately. If he's going the other way, something like a deal such as Stepan and a prospect (Fast/Lindberg/etc) for JT and a future first rounder is what I'd want to see (with SJ eating the difference in the cap hit).

RF4L


Sun Aug 24 2014 7:49 pm EST

gene -- Sather has created a good deal of depth on this team...possibly too much to make sense....unless a big trade is coming. Lombardi, Stempniak, Hayes, Haggerty, JT Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Kristo....I think Sather waits to see what he's got come September and then tries to pull the trigger to turn that depth into a big fish like Thornton. He may be covering himself by getting versatile, somewhat redundant players so no matter who needs to be traded,he's got a viable fill-in. But he'll only know that after he & AV see all these guys, how they've developed over the summer and what the UFA vets have to offer

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 4:43 pm EST

if JT will only accept a trade to NYR (a la MSL) I think SJ could be pressured into taking Brass and Hags.

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 4:41 pm EST

If SJ has not won a cup with big Joe why would we expect to given the depletion in our depth that would be required to get him? At a discount, take a chance. Pay top dollar, asset wise. No, No.

gene_carr


Sun Aug 24 2014 3:50 pm EST

York -- that's a trade that might make sense in the "win now" mode the Rangers are in. Thornton simply outscores Stepan by a fairly wide margin historically, but is 35 years old. JT Miller looks to be a 4th line winger on this squad for the near future. Very tempting trade indeed.

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 2:28 pm EST

JT comes in a trade Stepan is going the other way in a package which would include probably miller and someone else a player of his caliber doesn't come back for a couple of on the cusp prospects he will come for young NHL caliber players and a prospect

York18


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:54 pm EST

Brass partial NTC doesn't start until after this season

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:45 pm EST

Getting Joe Thornton is a long shot at best (he already tried to force a trade to the Rangers and it didn't go anywhere). To make his salary fit we'd have to trade the equivalent of Marc Staal and Carl Hagelin to the Sharks(not happening). Also, San Jose is doing the competitive rebuild thing so they obviously wont have any interest in a Nash(before anyone mentions it). I think they're looking to either take back less salary or more players equalling the approx. salary. IMO, if we really had wanted him, we would've sent Brassard plus to San Jose before we re-signed him to that long term deal and I just don't see us moving the guy right after we locked him up long-term. I think we're just as likely to re-sign Brad Richards in the offseason :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:38 pm EST

Sather does the ice bucket challenge while chomping on a cigar....classic! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1ojrlsP0M

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:38 pm EST

Mess11 --true....I think Sather has set himself up with lots of options. After seeing the Traverse City tourney and training camp, I can easily see a big trade or two that might make space available for JT

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:34 pm EST

Unless SJ willing to retain some salary, we have to move some serious salary to absorb JT

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:09 pm EST

Toothpick = to think. LOL! Damn spell correct!

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:08 pm EST

It seems like SJ is simply looking to dump Joe Thornton....and if that's the case and they are willing to trade him to us for a couple of prospects like Kristo or Lindberg or Fast....young players who seem to be NHL calibre but who really don't seem to have much chance of being difference-makers on the Rangers this year), the it's a no-brainer to get him IMO. Thornton is a top-end center who puts up points....he's a proven commodity, a proven point-getter. If he has chemistry with Nash, that's even better. This idea of him being a 'loser' is nonsense IMO....as if HE is the cause of SJ's failures. One of my favorite Yankees was Roy White....I started watching the Yankees in 1966 and they SUCKED....it was torture to hear my dad talk about how great HIS Yankees teams were and how MY Yankees were nothing but minor leaguers. So, Roy White toiled away and the Yankees sucked so bad for so many years it was pathetic. Was he a 'loser'? When the Yankees finally put together the proper mix of players (including Roy White) and they won 2 World Series, did Roy White magically become a 'winner' or was he never a 'loser' in the 1st place. Are we toothpick that if we get Joe Thornton that his 'loser' ways will infect the team and be the cause of us not winning? Whatever team gets the better player in a trade, wins the trade. Thornton for a couple of NHL-possible youngsters is a winning trade and a no-brainer IMO.

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 12:29 pm EST

I don't think Thornton is a fantasy trade. Unless you start adding three other teams and other star players. SJ wants out of that contract, and Im sure he'd love to come to NYC. There would be real players going back the other way, however.//// We are "fine" up the middle, and we got pretty far last season while being fine up the middle. Have improved the D, and possibly even improved overall forward depth. Still lack a first-line C capable of first-line #s. It'd be a gamble to acquire one like Thornton at the expense of some of our overall forward depth (Hags, Miller likely).

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 11:00 am EST

Puliot's spot is the key hole to be filled IMO. I maintain they'll be f-i-n-e up the middle, because 3/4 of last year's centers are back, and either Lombardi or Lindberg will be upgrades over Richards. Just my $0.2 there. And while I think they need a long evaluation on some of the new guys,and don't want any fantasy-type moves (like Thornton) we may not need, they might not get a chance to make a trade like that during the year, so you have to strike when the getting is good. Same time, I'd rather deal for a big scoring LW if we can. I don't think they need much more except for some toughness. But again, Sather could really look to load up

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 24 2014 9:41 am EST

You got to think about it this way: The Rangers had no assurances they were going to get HAYES until he signed on the dotted line...all the moves they made up until that point were part of a different design...now that they have him, they need to evaluate where he best fits into the plan...I'm sure some in the Rangers' organization see him as a center...certainly his 2-way game is good and if they can groom a 6'4, 220 pound kid to play the middle, that's to the advantage of the club...if that were the case, however, I would think he'd start in the AHL...I think plan one for him is to put him on wing and try him out in POULIOT'S spot...Frankly, they're similar players in size and skill...Pouliot is more aggressive, but I digress...The Rangers send kids to TC they haven't seen much of...and I'm sure some of the decisions about Hayes will come after they evaluate his play in the tourney...Guys like Kristo, Lindberg and Fast they already know about...there's no sense in sending them to TC, because they've been evaluated.

tdchi


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:44 pm EST

750 k actually but why should I care, That kid is an odd case, not sure what happened to his game but glad we passed. Wasnt sure we would a few weeks ago cause hes quick and we're all about the speed now.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:35 pm EST

Setoguchi /Calgary/ 700k

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 2:40 pm EST

We're in Atlantic City for the weekend, a one legged man goes by in a wheelchair and the first thing that comes to mind is YORK18... Crazy world we live in.. ;-)

mf


Sat Aug 23 2014 1:42 pm EST

Our new Assistant Coach is a fellow Newfoundlander...........Darryl Williams is from right here on the Rock. I coached him in Hockey and Ball hockey when he was in his twenties. I'll sum him up with a great comparison..........how about Adam Graves, both on and off the ice..............a perfect gentleman.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 11:10 am EST

Don't forget a week before they signed Hayes Clark let it slip that they see Kristo playing center and helping them with depth there. That one took me by surprise. Then Kevin Weeks says someone told him Hayes is a big center, when Carpiniello checks they say no, we see him strictly as a wing.all this talk of how Hayes is, in Gorton's words, close to NHL, butnhe's going to Traverse when guys like Lindberg arent (idk if AHL rules preclude or not) so maybe something is a afoot, IDK.It would appear they have some ideas about what they're doing in the middle both in Hartford & NY, but its not at all clear.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 10:35 am EST

Couple things...If HAYES didn't think there was a REALLY good shot of making the Rangers, he would have never signed here...The most I see coming for him in the AHL is a stint like HAGELIN spent with the Whale in 2011...The kid probably needs a little adjustment to the speed of professional hockey...whether that adjustment comes in camp or in Hartford remains to be seen...but at 22, pretty much it's WYSIWYG with Hayes...I see some writers mentioning how KRISTO and BOYLE needed time in the A before making the jump...well...in Kristo's case, it has everything to do with his ability to be knocked off the puck...the kid got away with being a lightweight in the NCAA...he can't do that as well in the grinding AHL...that's not a problem Hayes is going to have...and BOYLE? It was the opposite...Boyle was able to physically dominate in the NCAA...he did the same thing in the AHL...problem came for him with the jump in speed between the AHL and NHL...again...not a problem Hayes is going to experience, IMO...while he's not a speedster, he's quick and strong on his skates...I'm not seeing much about his game that isn't ready for the NHL...he skated on a VERY talented line in college and I suspect if he needs any polishing, it'll be minimal...I mentioned this a few weeks ago...the Rangers' TC roster is basically a group of grown men with a few talented teenagers sprinkled in...I have a feeling they're going to dominate the tourney...as for them amassing prospect...certainly, the future for some of these guys isn't with the Rangers...I kind of agree, Kristo's days as a Ranger are pretty limited unless he can really raise some eyebrows this fall...but a lot of these guys are in the wings for 2015...that's when the Rangers are again going to be faced with difficult decisions...One will be what to do with NASH...another will be whether to bring back MSL...I'm sure the hope is that some of these guys break out...especially KREIDER and STEPAN...and become the stars/leaders of this team so that an expensive guy like Nash CAN be showed the door...I don't, however, think this amassing of NCAA talent has anything to do with them angling to trade talent...it's a restocking of what they lost with the NASH, CLOWE and MSL deals, because everything they drafted in the past two drafts is basically two to three years away from arriving in Hartford, much less New York...I especially don't see them going after Jumbo Shrimp. Not unless SJ decides they want to eat a lot of salary and move him on the cheap.

tdchi


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:59 am EST

Again, I'm canning the JHS talk. It as a Rangers site, as I've reminded others when they go on runs about non-NYR charities and such. But Matt Simms is the best QB the Jets have, if we're talking about, you know, actually throwing the ball, something their last 2-3 QBs couldn't do. And IDK how I missed this, but did anyone see where Vick was attacked by a dog outside the stadium? Riotously funny, but IDK, it's a wasteland out near that stadium. And of all the people to get bit in an empty parking lot, its Vick, the guy who went to the clink for running a pit bull ring? Had to be some dog-lover lying in wait, and then, there he is, get him! LOL You can't make this stuff up sometimes LOL. Just attempting to change the subject...

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:24 am EST

TD, I think they might be lining up a TRADE, that's where I see similarities. Kristo & Haggerty are both RW scorers, RHSs. Miller & Hayes both bigger center/wimgs types. If youre getting ready to trade one or more of Miller/Kristo, these aren't bad UFA replacements in the system is what I meant. FWIW, Hayes is not ready according to Billy Jaffee, definitely needs AHL time. So why else bring him in when we have a glut of forwards on the cusp already? Sure, sign all the talent you can, but then the Rangers leak the kid is a 6-5 center, later corrected by Carp, why? Because they don't want to sound desperate in needing a big center man just as another big center linked to them (Thornton) is being stripped of his C in San Jose? Very odd to me. My guess is neither Hayes nor Ho are ready ready, but due to the Isles lame state I'd guess Ho has a better shot for this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 12:51 am EST

DANNY KRISTO’S FUTURE WITH THE RANGERS IS IN DOUBT..... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/danny_kristos_future_with_the_rangers_is_in_doubt/17100458

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 23 2014 12:28 am EST

RR - The only real similarities I see in MILLER and HAYES and KRISTO and HAGGERTY is that they're all under contract with the Rangers...they're just very different players...especially Kristo and Haggerty...Kristo's a tiny guy. I sometimes wonder whether his listed weight was taken with his equipment on after a game...Haggerty has a lot more mass...and I already said my piece on the other two...all four are prospects of a different flavor. Sure, you can draw some similarities...But by in large, they're differences outweigh their similarities.

tdchi


Sat Aug 23 2014 12:24 am EST

See, I just don't get what the hype is on Ho-Sang. Good? Yeah, for the OHL.... good for the OHL and two dollars will buy you a lottery ticket and a dream...good for the OHL a star does not make...I watched the clips of this kid when he was being hyped during the draft and wasn't particularly impressed...in fact, a lot of his goals seemed amateurish....three-on-two goals...odd man rush opportunities that wouldn't come nearly as easy in the AHL much less the NHL...certainly he's tight with dishing out and handling the puck, but nothing that I'd say showcases an overt amount of talent...certainly not enough that I'd put the kid in a league with TAVARES, who was a kid I remember scoring goals that would make your jaw drop...Goals where he alone created a scoring chance out of thin air...Now I was a bit stunned when Ho had the audacity to compare himself to KANE and CROSBY...even more stunned when he said he'd outplay Tavares...and now that I see BOSSY'S name mentioned in the same sentence, I had to rewatch that clip video...again, I really don't see the hype over this kid...Just don't...Looks solid, looks quick...but also looks like he doesn't have the hands or speed of any of the aforementioned players...And he doesn't have the size, which makes him even more suspect IMO...Didn't even end up in the top-10 of anything in the OHL...and while I'd never hold that against an 17- or 18-year-old player...man...you look at what Tavares was doing as a 17-year-old in the OHL...or what Bossy was doing as a 16-year-old in the QMJHL...I just wonder how anyone can make these comparisons...not just RR...not just Ho-Sang himself...But anyone...Now when it comes to HAYES and this kid...there's just no comparing the two...they're two totally different players...different ages...different career paths...different styles...different everything...I'd take Hayes over Ho-Sang any day of the week and twice on Tuesday just 'cause he's FAR closer to a finished product than Ho-Sang...Hayes is NHL-ready. He WILL be in the league this season...He's got the size, he's got the maturity and he's got the polish. Ho, were I to give it a guess, is at least two years away from playing his first NHL game, if he every does make the NHL...and that's especially if it's with the Isles...that team absolutely SCREWED THE POOCH with Nino NIEDERRIETER, who, like Ho, was a hot-shot 17-year-old with one slick junior season under his belt...they rushed him to the show, they stunted his growth and they ultimately soured to him and vice versa until he was moved for CLUTTERBUCK of all players...you saw the Isles take a FAR different tact with Ryan STROME, who is another player I'd say is a lot more talented than Ho...but here we are now talking about Islanders prospects on a Rangers fan site...

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 10:22 pm EST

Hey, Id stopped talking about Ho-Sang but everyone else started, cause theyre intruigued. Id love to see him make Isles, but Im remembering their rookie scoring record is (or was) , Bossy's 53( I think) which was the NHL record and just sick that year. Hate the fishsticks but had to admire that kind of shooting.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 9:13 pm EST

Vic - no correlation between playing in TC and NHL considerations. Staal and Stepan both played TC and made the NHL that season. McDonagh and Hagelin also played TC, went to Hartford for a spell and then took regular roster positions in the NHL. I think Dubinsky did the same thing. Miller played TC and then made the team after the lockout. Most of the guys they invite are youngsters, so they typically are a couple years out. This years squad though has a bunch of college grads who are a lot further along in their development than 19-year-old guys straight out of juniors.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 9:10 pm EST

TD- right you are.

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 9:06 pm EST

Messier11 - Nieves and Fogarty are both in the NCAA and ineligible for TC... and St. Croix is in the tourney. My take on him is that he was a non-entity in Hartford. Saw him a couple times and really he didn't stand out. Not to say that won't change this year...as for McColgan and Spelling...unless something has changed dramatically, both are out of the system and longshots to ever make the NHL.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 5:15 pm EST

Friday laughs: Rich Clune and Sean Avery have been picking on Riddick Bowe for a couple weeks now. Here are his responses: https://twitter.com/riddickbowe

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 5:06 pm EST

You heard it here first: Ho-Sang, yet to play a single NHL game, joins the 400 club

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 4:39 pm EST

Gene_Carr, maybe. Or maybe he becomes a Ranger when he's 33, with 400 NHL goals under his belt - and like 80 of'em against us. Haha... We'll see. But I'd say this; if you wanted to compare late first rounders, a guy like Hayes (taken 24th) or Ho (28th), I'll go with the smaller, speedier, superior dynamic skill guy over a Hayes any day. Because of his size (which he doesn't use by nearly all accounts), guys like Hayes will have to prove they can't play, while the smaller player has to prove he can. Whatever, but I'm not as excited about Hayes when I see his college scoring totals almost doubled by Brian Boyle! We'll see what happens. YORK, no hiding from it, Nash's PO scoring prorates to a 10-goal pace, if you want to look at it by the (reg. season) norm we always say, a guy is a 20-goal scorer, etc. That's not bad but truly ALARMING for a guy who's supposed to find the net 30 times a year minimum.its why MF has been trading him for two months (albeit involving 3 other superstars and 4 other teams LOL)! Its why I think he needs to alter his game; he's also at that age where you lose a step (though I was encouraged the last few games, Gms 4&5, he was flying). But if it happens again this year they'll have to trade him, swallow half that cap hit; thatll be the weight, a busted player essentially. A shame because we've havent gotten to see the real him IMO due to the noggin shots, but history rarely remembers the smaller details.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:57 pm EST

going over traverse roster and our draft history. Anyone have status on the following: Nieves, Spelling, Fogarty, St. Croix, McColgan

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:49 pm EST

Rabid I said it before he played here when the rumors first started love to watch Nash play just not for this team. Hes a great regular season guy but when the game is on the line and intensity is boiling he becomes a no show. Not everyone can be a Patrick Kane but 5 in 41 is bad for a first line player making almost 8 mil the question is will he ever find that next level? If he does this team can be nasty come playoffs if he doesn't he will be an albatross

York18


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:42 pm EST

Maybe I am reading too much into this, or maybe my memory is just flat out wrong...........but, the Rangers don't usually send anyone to Traverse City who is considered to be fighting for a job on the Rangers or on the cusp of being NHL ready. Usually, they send guys that are considered a few years away. Why is HAYES going? Does that mean the Rangers don't consider him in the mix for the NHL squad this year and have him targeted for the AHL? Does that mean the Rangers aren't really sure what level he is at and want to see him against some NHL Caliber prospects? I'm not sure how to read this. The same goes for HAGGERTY. Why is he there?

Vic


Fri Aug 22 2014 2:31 pm EST

RR: The rangers are pursuing an identity therefore you will see many similarities between their picks and free agent acquisitions and why Hung low will never be a Ranger.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 22 2014 12:23 pm EST

RF4L - Ask and you shall receive: Word is Kevin HAYES has been added to the Traverse City prospects roster.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 12:22 pm EST

Zip: Hayes going to Traverse

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 11:42 am EST

I didn't imply Nash has had previous playoff success. He hasn't, but he also doesn't have that much of a sampling. 41 games, 18 pts. Not brutal but not great, but just 5 career PO goals, not what he's paid for, no doubt. If he didn't have the concussions, I'd say sure, hammer away at him if it makes you happy. But I just can't without giving him one more playoff run. If he stinks it up then, I'd say sure, he's been a total bust. But IF the guy is a scoring threat in the regular season, sure, the implication is supposed to be the fucker will score in the playoffs. Common sense there though of course not everyone translates come playoff time.Crosby & Ovechkin amongst others have fallen off their pace in POs. Let's see if Nash is healthy and looks normal first. They'll be plenty of time to abuse him if he chokes. I don't know what else to say with him. Not an ideal situation, but I do think his guy was primed to be a beast when we got him, but he's had serious setbacks.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 11:27 am EST

Rabid to say Nash can still be a threat come playoffs implies that he has been in the past which is not true Nash disappears faster than a girls virginity on prom night come playoffs and everyone knows that.

York18


Fri Aug 22 2014 10:43 am EST

The Summer of Love continues..."Let's Go Rangers"

mf


Fri Aug 22 2014 8:51 am EST

I cant help notice similarities between two free agents they signed, Hayes & Haggerty, and two prospects (Miller & Kristo) they may not be sold on. There I go, stirirring up trouble!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 7:59 am EST

Summer of love is OVER!!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 22 2014 7:35 am EST

NASH AIN'T GOIN' ANYWHERE!!!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:40 am EST

I hear ya MF, I wouldnt argue agsinst a lot of that. Theyre not gonna do it though, at least not now. So then what? Gotta hope for the best out of him IMO. I think he can make some simple adjustments to his game and be productive for us. And if healthy next POs still be a threat.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:54 pm EST

Also, I've been trading NASH so long & often because he carries a $7.8 million dollar liability with him... Lets say you can sign Ryan to 6 yrs at $6.25-$6.75 mill... You save 1 mill a year that we're going to need for next season to sign Stepan, Staal, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Talbot..... We need those dollars .....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:47 pm EST

Rhet: Just to state the obvious, when presented to play for the Rangers, an Original Six, which made its way to the finals last year, versus signing in Ottawa waiting 5 years for their rebuild to take shape, me thinks Bobby Ryan will listen to all options.. As for his price tag, Evander Kane & possibly a kid or a pick gets the job done. Age wise, Kane makes more sense for Ottawa than Ryan...... Rabbit, I agree that Nash is a very good hockey player, it's just that he isn't good at what we need him to be good at... On another team, his strengths & their needs may dovetail better... IMO, Bobby Ryan has more of what we need now than what Nash can offer... Also, I don't feel our roster can offer Nash enough of what he needs, to excel to his best at this time... I'm specifically refering to, if you look at Nash cross-eyed, I'm gonna kill your family , to guys that take liberties or cheap shots......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:55 pm EST

RR: For his sake, Jitter Miller better show up early, too!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:51 pm EST

MF, you've been trading Nash since the end of Gm 5 LOL. Gotta give him this year.If he rebounds we've got a pretty good player. If not I think they shop him and you get your wish. We're getting pretty close.Lundqvist was back in NY today and practiced a bit supposedly. I saw Zuc & Brass drove in together from Ottawa the other day. I'm guessing this year especially everyone will be in early, maybe by first week of Sept or so for informal workouts, and we'll get some stories. Traverse is the 12th, Gorton said Hayes very likely to play.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:27 pm EST

Bobby Ryan is also not available. They barely just traded him a year ago. From everything I've read, he's part of the 'rebuild' there. He also seems pretty happy in Ottawa. BTW, we had our shot at him and passed because the price was too steep, I doubt it's any cheaper.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:26 pm EST

TDCHI -- All I think the SWISS league showed about LOMBARDI was that he was healthy...Which to me is the key with him...Not the points..And if he's healthy, which he wasn't in the NHL for awhile, I see no reason that he can't score over 40-45 as a TOP 9 center as he did three times before because nothing has happened to his speed and legs and the NHL is even more offensive oriented now..I'll be surprised and wrong if he doesnt' end up on the top 3 lines

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:19 pm EST

mf: Maybe but Sather isn't trading Nash. Not now anyways.

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:04 pm EST

RF: Think NASH would accept a trade to SJ ? me too. :-)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:02 pm EST

RF: second part of last post has NASH going to San Jose.... It's not so outlandish. SJ has the cap room, they just shed HAVLAT, and they're in a division with Anaheim & Smell"A"..... They got to compete as they pass the torch to the yutes...... It may be a yellow-prick-toad, I mean a yellow brick road to get to Bobby Ryan, but we can get there......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:36 pm EST

mf: I luv ya man, but you're bonging again. Nash and JJ accepting a trade to Winterpeg? Mmmm...less likely than Ho Sung winning the Calder next June!!! ;^)

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:21 pm EST

TD: I don't know enough about Joe T. to wish him here..... However, I do want to turn Rick Nash into Bobby Ryan and if Nash & Joe T would accept being traded to Winnipeg, what I'm suggesting is pretty darn creative / doable.... Winnipeg becomes a playoff contender while shedding a distraction. San Jose continues their transition while maintaining being playoff contenders. Ottawa continues their rebuild adding a 22 y/o young star signed for the next 4 years at $5.9 mill.. We would get B.Ryan, we'd need to sign him long term, (gladly) probably at $1mill less than Nash, we get a player 3 years younger, whose more balanced in the goals scored/assists ratio, a RHS on a squad in need of Righties.... Sather & Co. are you reading this??? I keep repeating this in hopes someone at MSG considers this... Out side of this being a longshot, I see no reason this can't work.......... Another scenario: Just trade NASH to San Jose, whatever we get in return, we send a package to Winnipeg for Kane, we trade Kane to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.... No way do I want Kane here, he's too immature, and he's got a huge Ego problem now that he made himself some money..... Let him grow up some where else, we don't need his attitude in "our" locker-room...... That goes ditto for the Jumaicanese singer in the Isles camp....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:15 pm EST

TD- as resident Wall Dube watcher, I can say that he hasn't even led a team-much less the league-in scoring for the past four seasons.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:12 pm EST

Nice article on HF site about Duclair. 3 key points for me I got from the article 1) It's indeed a plus when a developing kid gets to play/grow in a winning environment (I've been criticizing Sather for a while now on how he too often puts together a Pack team that is destined to fail) 2) This is one nice, gracious kid 3) Ho Sung should take a page out of this kid's book in terms of humility (imagine if it was this kid beaking off about how great and misunderstood he is)....http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/111577/remparts-duclair-hoping-to-represent-canada-in-front-of-hometown-crowd/

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:40 pm EST

mf - I'll be fit to be tied if they simply get a POS like THORNTON. If they trade STAAL for him? I'm done with this team.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:39 pm EST

Messier11 - That was one thing the organization did say...they want the Pack to win. They do have a who's who of AHL superstars...Mueller, Potulny, Bourque, Hunwick, Kampfer...and then slap Stempniak and Lombardi down there? That's Calder material.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:37 pm EST

Hospo - The way Lombardi breaks down for me is that he had that season in a league where Christian "Horsemeat" Dube was a leading scorer up until last year...pretty much says it all for me...Swiss league is good, but in terms of the European leagues, I'm not even sure if it ranks at third...We'll see. Interesting that he, Stempniak, Hayes and Miller all have roughly the same cap hits.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 6:39 pm EST

Wolfpack must be Calder Cup faves

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 5:13 pm EST

Also saw Leetch coming back to MSG to do some comentary. Thats great news. He offers some of the best insights Ive heard.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:26 pm EST

M11: If in fact moving staal is not an option as you state, then my last post proposal of moving Nash may be...

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:25 pm EST

""May the 4 winds blow you safely home"" ..... as in Trade Winds.... So... Nash & Joe T. happen to have grown up approx 110 miles from ona another, Brampton & London Ontario respectively...... That is awefully close to Toronto, Montreal, & Ottawa..... Winnipeg, San Jose, & Ottawa are going nowhere fast this season, you heard it here folks........... SOOOOO... "IF" Nash & Joe T are willing to waive their NMC/NTC and be shipped together to Winnipeg, Winnipeg can send Michael Frolik to San Jose, & Evander Kane to us... We in turn send Evander Kane to Ottawa for BOBBY RYAN..... Ottawa gets a youngster who's locked up at $5.9 for the next 4-5 seasons, & we unload NASH at $7.8mill per and can resign Bobby Ryan, and probably for a million less than Nash.... At this point in their respective careers, Bobby Ryan will give you as much production as NASH, for less money, we get 3 yrs younger, and pick up a RHS, who can line up at all three positions (center in a pinch) ...... If some peripheral players need be included to make it work, BFD....... This is a good trade folks.... I'm sold.... And for all you deadheads, "In franklins tower, there hangs a bell" :-)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:12 pm EST

Moving Staal is not an option unless a shutdown capable of second-pair minutes coming the other way. Only Ds even close to expendable are Moore or Klein, and thats a stretch

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:11 pm EST

Moore/Boyle pairing: may as well give Hank a blindfold and a cigarette.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:07 pm EST

I see Jaffee saying Hayes definitely needs AHL time. Whether gets that on the down low IDK, but hes a straight shooter. Now IF NYR share that feeling Id say it makes a trade liklier. KIS, tnx. Made my day.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:34 pm EST

RF: Staal $3.975 mill.... J.Thornton $6.75 mill a difference of $2.775 mill..... we currently have $2,192,500 in Cap space but J.Moore needs to be signed, so figure we have $1mill to $1.2mill in Cap Space once J.Moore is signed..... Forget McIrath playing the Left Side D in AV's system, just don't see that happening.... I could see JMoore moving up to being paired with Boyle as JMoore is a good skater.... & then a LHS kid moved up to be paired with Klien.... This would have a veteran in Boyle, & a veteran in Klien mentoring a youngster...... Thing is, I'll play the "ghaaahhhvone" here, if we're taking Joe T off of SanJose's hands, giving up Staal & or Brassard AND a peripheral player, I want a pick coming back in return... At least a 2nd rounder.....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:20 pm EST

Also, no reason for us to offer Carcillo PTO or for him to accept one from us. We know what he brings, he did it just last season. Maybe if he doesn't have an offer by training camp, just to help him showcase to other teams.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:18 pm EST

TDCHI -I see your Point abot Lombardi's season in Toronto but, from what I read, he was hurt most of the year with his shoulder and was just trying to fight thru it...The weak shoulder lead to weak play and bad FO numbers....I really don't think he's been healthy in the NHL since 2009-10....and then last year in SWITZ..The Rangers obviously like what they saw....I still think, if healthy, he's the 3rd line C...I also think Stemp will be a top 9 forward...But his should all be decided in camp and if the kids beat them out, they beat them out.......As for the Rangers needing MILLER to play C..I agree especially for the future....But I also think they are very leery of him being able to handle the mental and decision making part of the postion...And if you are going for a Cup, which I still think the Rangers are, you don't invest to much energy in JT learning the C position if he ain't getting...I say let him loose at Wing to just skate and play...We'll see..

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:16 pm EST

I like what Carcillo did for us this season, and I am surprised that he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but I don't think there is room for him now or in the future. He will have a better opportunity elsewhere.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:11 pm EST

STEVIE - Agree on CARCILLO and a PTO....MF---yeah, I've been stumping for a Glass-Moore-Miller line for awhile....I think it could be really good and it takes all pressure off Miller to just skate and play rather then to have to think which is defeintely a problem for him...

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:09 pm EST

My guess is that Stemp will be a black ace, switch in for Glass at times, unless Hayes or Miller falters.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:08 pm EST

If Miller and Hayes are deemed by AV to both be ready to go, someone will be moved. Either one of the most recent additions, (Lombardi, Stempniak, Glass) or a vet like Brassard, Nash, Hags

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:00 pm EST

mf: Mmm...interesting about Staal, but that only accounts for 1/2 of JJ's salary. I guess SJ could eat a portion. But moving Staal creates a hole on the backline, unless someone like Allen or McI step up.

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:50 pm EST

Here come those Santa Ana winds again.... (Steeley Dan) Me thinks the only way we can afford Joe T. is if Staal or Brassard goes the other way accompained by a peripheral salary.... Are you sure you want to go there?????

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:47 pm EST

Drick = drink

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:46 pm EST

TD: IMO, a 4th line of Glass/D.Moore/JT Miller is awesome and works as a foundation for the entire 4 lines... To me it seems like, the Brass identifies the 1st 2 lines or top six, identifies the 4th line, and creates the 3rd line last..... That 4th line has grit, can skate, win a faceoff, and score... Liking that depth.......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:44 pm EST

BTW, can Hayes (and if so will he) be added to the Rangers Traverse City team roster? Gotta figure the Rangers are eager to see him against his new peers and the only way he's not there is if the rosters are frozen (which I have a heard time believing would be the case).

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:42 pm EST

Slegs: Kevin Hayes was not going to get into Chicago's NHL lineup anytime soon unless they got hit by the plague.. Hayes is 22, & he feels like he is NHL ready.. The Rangers will give him a shot in pre-season to make the big club... If Hayes needs to go to Hartford and get 1st line minutes, hone his skills consistent with the Rangers system, & get recalled, its no big deal, it's just grooming... KK went up & back a few times, ditto JT Miller... The rangers have demonstrated that when they are committed to their youth, that this is the M.O. they follow... I see no fault in this.....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:41 pm EST

puck: Re Kristo. Yeah and imagine how Ryan Bourque is feeling now? He resigned after having a semi-breakout season for the Pack with, as I understand it, his eyes on winning a roster spot with the Rangers this fall. Since then, Sather and company have signed a slew of veteran forwards and now a prize 22 year old UFA forward. His position seems worse than it did last fall!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:32 pm EST

Carcillo deserves an invite to tryout ...

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:31 pm EST

Not sure I follow Hayes thinking but I wouldn't be happy if he was nyr pick pulling that bs... Sounds like a confidence issue... Wonder what the genius promised him.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:27 pm EST

Hospo - See, I look at LOMBARDI'S contract and his last full, somewhat injury-free season in the NHL(with Toronto) and I see him as nothing more than a fourth-line reclamation project who may pop up to third line in a pinch...Admittedly, the buzz from the Rangers has been that MILLER is wing-bound, though I recall him playing center many of the times I've seen him in Hartford and it would strike me as a bit odd for them to say that and then keep playing him as a center in the AHL...I personally think the rangers NEED JT Miller to be a center...he's the closest thing they have to a pivot who can work the boards and forecheck...and frankly, some of the best hockey I've seen him play has been in the middle...conversely, some of the worst I've seen has been with him on the left...You bring a good point about the faceoffs and for that I have no answer other than to say STEPAN has been getting progressively better. I don't know...we'll see.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:15 pm EST

Mf: I luv ya man!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:37 pm EST

OMG, "The Summer of Love" continues...... just want to do drugs, drick some ice cold beer, and chase Hippee Chicks..... woohoo ;^)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:35 pm EST

Kristo signed-guess he better get used to Hartford.

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:14 pm EST

Hey, any word on any veteran Professional try out Contracts for Camp? Personally, I'd love to Radek the Magnificient Dvorak if only for his name and nostalgia...But, seriously, wouldn't hurt to take a look at, to say it nicely, a very physical player...

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:10 pm EST

Uh oh, the KIS of approval, I'd watch my back if I was you or you'll be swimming with the fishes!

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 11:46 am EST

got to give you props Rabid. in the beginning I kow I got on you and called you clown fish but I have to give an apology because you bring alot of info to this wall thanks

KIS


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:45 am EST

Rosen also broke up Brass & Zuc, which ain't happening' and when I stopped reading. Just watched me some Haggerty. The kid can shoot it for sure. Understated guy (and lifelong NYR fan from Ct) doesn't celebrate all that much after goals. Guess he's our anti-Ho-Sang lol.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:40 am EST

TDCHI - Can't say I agree with much of that gobbledygook from RoseN..Ask the bozo how the Rangers are going to win any FOs with their two best FO men on the 4th line and the other three "centers" under 45-47 %....GLASS was in demand over the League and Lombardi had a peachy set up in Switzerland until the rangers came a askin....They did not come to NY to be, respectively, a black ace and a 4th line C...Personally, I can't see it any other way then LOMBARDI as a 3rdd liner C (healthy) and Glass as a desperately needed 4th line physical player where he might be the only physical player on the team, unless MILLER sticks

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:21 am EST

The other guy I keep forgetting to mention is Haggerty(who I know very little about) People kept saying how Hayes was 2nd (I think) in college scoring. Well Haggerty was 6th. Heard nothing but good things about his game. Could be a perfect dark horse camp candidate.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:11 am EST

Here's where I'd come out. They need to wait at least a month, to get to camp and answer the numerous questions they have. Critical year coming, and no way to tell precisely what they have based off past performance, IMO. Lombardi hasn't played in the league in 2-3 years. Stamp went from Pitts 1st line to their 4th by playoffs end. Glass was scratched for most of the POs. We don't know what Nash is going to look like.or Dan Boyle, though he'd BETTER look pretty good. Lindberg & McIlrath could be ready, could not be. How ready is Hayes anyway? JT Miller? Just major major questions in my mind; Maybe they feel more confident in the answers, IDK. And just to add to what I mentioned before, no way would I trade Klein lightly. The guy was outstanding and settled down the D. Would McIlrath be able to step in? On Thornton I wouldn't have many questions. He's Joe Thornton, known commodity, quality player, would be one of our top 3 producers almost guaranteed.Good news for the Rangers is, they can now, thanks especially to inking Hayes yesterday, craft some MAJOR trade packages without missing a beat. Its taken about 15 years to get the depth to this point but it's there, we're damn near overloaded. But who knows, if a Lindberg (or JT Miller) shows in camp they're ready for serious 3C duty, it lessens a need at center. Maybe they go after Evander Kane. Hard to know what's going on in Sathers mind ever, especially now. But I do believe he covets Thornton, he's said he wants a big scoring center for a long time now.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:59 am EST

JMO, but you get a Joe Thornton to play with Rick Nash. You don't trade Nash for him. It makes very little sense. If i remember correctly, Thornton wanted to go to NY as recently as June so he could play with Nash, but there was no fit to make it work. I don't see there being one now. If anything, I thinks it's more likely that the Sharks are trying to get Thornton to expand the list of teams he'd be willing to accept a trade to ....Stevie.... Hayes saw no immediate future for him in Chicago with all the talent they have locked up there for years. He became a Free Agent so he could have a choice which team to play for. I don't think that puts him in the Lindros category.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:44 am EST

Seems to me Slats will have some prospects to deal for a big fish-be it Thorton or whoever-if he can also clear cap room. Kristo seems redundant now that Hayes is here-and Buch & Duclair coming next season-we seem well stocked. Good problem to have

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:32 am EST

There has been some distance chatter about Joe T the last while. And I've heard many trash him completely. But I mean like, I saw a rerun of a SJ-ANA game from last season just a week or two ago on NHL Network. Thornton was just dominating. He dominated more than any Ranger I've seen since JJs best season. All I can say that from my perspective, things are very confused when commenting on Jumbo. I mean like sure, if someone proposes that we should give up the farm to get him to become Messier II -- declare them nuts. That would be nuts. But if like we are looking to make an addition at the deadline and Jumbo is to be dumped by SJ -- he would of course be a TREMENDOUS addition.

Ola


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:18 am EST

If you saw it, RF, Thoton said he talked to the coach and there was no mention he'd be stripped, then he found out from a reporter he was no longer captain. What a bunch of orchestrated, manufactured malarkie if you ask me. Thorton's wanted to come here since his ' NYR are soft' remark. NOT saying id want it to happen, nut ive said before, SJ would have to absorb 50% of Thortons money year 1. JT Miller & Klein make about $3.8 combined, and there you'd have it. Again, we've touched on this before, and TD yes nuts cause he hates Thorton LOL. Really don't want to get into it because I'm not sure its the right move OR what they're thinking. But it is what I was referring to when I said Sather is prone to overkill sometimes.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:17 am EST

KIS/RF4L - Trading Nash...hat's about the only way I see Jumbo Shrimp coming here...trading one over-rated player for another...and though I could see the Rangers doing that, I'm sure the hope of getting JT would come from a misguided notion that he and Nash would end up their superline...I guess you could move HAGELIN and STEPAN..or STAAL and STEPAN...but seriously, if the Rangers are gunning for this schmuck, then they need help. Thornton is a worthless POS. Never liked him...the Bruins called it 100 percent right when they moved JT...I recall scratch my head at that deal...no more though.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:06 am EST

how about a trade of Nash and thorton. Play Zucc with Step an Kreider. Play thorton with Msl and Hagelin.

KIS


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:03 am EST

mf - THORNTON also played on a line with MARLEAU and PAVELSKI...So basically, his totals were good enough for second on the Sharks...they mean nothing on the Rangers. Screw Thornton. The guy is a loser.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:00 am EST

Not a huge deal-but incident when Hayes was at BC. http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2013/3/22/4135380/posts-for-charity-kevin-hayes-problems-bu-bc

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:58 am EST

NY daily news has him listed at 6'5 225....beast

NV94


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:58 am EST

Some chatter this AM about the C being stripped off of Thornton to add pressure on him to accept a trade to the Rangers. I'm middling on the idea of adding Jumbo Joe but obviously, doing so means, given the Rangers being so close to the cap, salary going the other way. Who would go the other way - we're talking about a $6,700,000 cap hit here....

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:55 am EST

No worries, Hospo...NHL.com's Dan Rosen step in for Despo this morning...suggests the following lines: Kreider-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Brass-St. Louis, Zuccarello-Miller-Hayes, Lombardi-Moore-Stempniak...Of course, he omits GLASS...I don't necessarily think Glass would have signed here if he thought he'd be riding pine...but I do have some serious questions about whether LOMBARDI is anything more than a fourth-liner...And I can't help but wonder if AV wanted his fourth line to be another third line.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:52 am EST

Hayes, a former college teammate of Rangers forward Chris Kreider, is believed to have passed on signing in Chicago because he saw less chance of cracking the NHL roster immediately

NV94


Thu Aug 21 2014 5:20 am EST

Why did this kid pull a Lindros ?

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:15 am EST

Gordie Clark admitted the Rangers' weakness at center last week. With Hayes on board, Miller can hone his game at center in Hartford to start the year. Anything happens to one of our centers, he can move up. I wonder if Hayes or one of the other newbies can replace Pouliot.

Bob


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:55 am EST

Im more intruiged right now why an unnamed source called Hayes a center when Carp apparently checked with someone and was told they see him strictly a wing. And not to be a skunk at the party but video I could find on Hayes didnt bowl me over. Didnt bother sayin that cause I didnt think wed get him. Id say theyre in a real good, totally unpredictable spot right now. Sather likes sure things, or as close as you can get sll things considered. Hes also shown himself to be a ghavone, from Lindros at the very beginning to Drury/Gomez in one day to hel bent for MDL last year. Or maybe he just wants to win. But nothing would suprise me. TD, Miller definitely more physical from what ive seen from him & Hayes. Hayes does have dome hands on him tho. Luvs Pat Kane.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:55 am EST

Nice to see the Rangers getting some size and adding prospects. This makes up for one of the discarded #1 picks. I must also say that they have done a nice job of providing insurance with Stempniak, Lombadi, etc. in the event kids cannot hack it. I admit that I like this offseason so far. I like the changes, and the improvement in the prospect pipepine. Bodes well for the future.

Bob


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:38 am EST

TDCHI - Funny, but I read that post about trading the rights of ASHAM for Thornton and knew it had to be you! :)...On the comp between Hayes and Miller...I agree that MILLER plays a physical game and hard to see Hayes matching it...but one thing, in college, a lot of the talented scorers (and Hayes was 2nd in the country) just don't play all that physical because they don't have to..and then it takes a little while for them to ramp it up in the PROs..as we saw with KREIDER becoming more of a beast last year..

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:34 am EST

RABID - Was thinking of putting on my DESPO hat and do some line combinations but, damn, it's hard...So many capable and flexible players..vets and kids..Hell, you could have two legit vet players like Stemp and Moore on the 4th line..or 2 of 3 kids like JT, Fast, and Hayes NOT making the team,,,,can match the BC boys together with Lombardi who can keep up with Kid K, but can Hayes?..St.Louis and Mza together could be a buzz saw..Just a lot of possibilities..OR..there is a lot more depth to make a trade!!!!...Camp should be cool,,...And there always is a camp surprise for a final spot....A spot you don't ideally want a kid just sitting

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:19 am EST

Joe Thornton: 82 / 11 / 65 / 76 would have lead the Rangers in points last year......

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:58 pm EST

Messier11 - Here's what I'd trade for Joe THORNTON: The rights to Arron Asham. Even that's too much for that hack.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:56 pm EST

RR - While you could point out some similarities between MILLER and HAYES, they're definitely two different players. Miller is a hell of a lot more physical than Hayes...and Hayes has a better two-way game. They're both guys you want on your roster...complementary players even...My guess is the Rangers go into the season with an open mind...they got a lot of bodies competing for few spots...I don't see them doing anything other than signing John MOORE until camp shakes out.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:53 pm EST

those gentle trade winds of late .............

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:26 pm EST

I'm starting to think the opposite, that they're not done. In a year they're supposed to take the next step, just think too many question marks for Sathers liking. And Sather still very much in charge IMO. Also can't help notice the similarities in Hayes and JT Miller, a player we know the coach wasn't enamoured with last year. There have been some things happening on the periphery that don't quite add up. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:18 pm EST

I would have to assume that the signing of Hayes and eventual signing of Moore will conclude the offseason festivities. All of thse moves strike me as Gorton/Clark/AV driven and not Sather-esque. We let a lot of money and experience out the door and hopefully brought back what could be affordable alternatives along with roster options given the yutes. If so, perhaps we arent too far from Sather taking much more of a backseat and letting Gorton run the show?I just worry that with only Glass in the lineup we are going to get run out of the bldg on some nights and who knows if we even make it to the end of the season in tact?! Would love to see McIlrath make the club and a signing of Carcillo but given the lack of cap space I think Carbomb is bye bye.

PatrickDiv


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:05 pm EST

Rhet, awesome, thanks...... Gosh, we seem to have a full house these days.... can't help but fan the "trade winds" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:43 pm EST

MF....The League gives Chicago an extra pick. Instead of 30 picks in the 2nd round, there will now be 31. Since the Hawks drafted Hayes 24th in the first round in 2010, their compensatory pick will be number 24 of the 2nd Round in 2015 (or 54th overall).

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:30 pm EST

Rhet: Thanks for the info regarding the fact that the NY Rangers don't need to concede a 2nd rounder next year to ChiTown.... Question: Who awards Chicago the 2nd round pick? I'm guessing that the draft selection is somehow shifted to create this compensation to Chicago.... Thanks.....

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:22 pm EST

N.H.L. Concussion Lawsuits Consolidated: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/hockey/nhl-concussion-lawsuits-consolidated.html?ref=hockey

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:21 pm EST

Peripheral topic from the days excitement: (from the Bertuzzi mugging of Moore) Settlement May Be Near in Career-Ending Attack That Has Shadowed N.H.L......http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/hockey/todd-bertuzzi-and-steve-moore-may-be-close-to-a-settlement.html?ref=hockey&_r=0

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:13 pm EST

Interesting that Carpiniello is saying, "just for clarification, NYR see Hayes strictly as a winger". That contrasts quote Weeks had earlier, which was unattributed, from a front office type saying he's a 6-5 center. Makes more sense they'd see him as a wing. It's where he played at BC, RW. Also changes the potential dynamic going into camp if he's not competing for a center spot. We'll see. Hayes also talked to Brian Boyle before choosing NY, one boston guy to another I guess, and Boyler gave NY the thumbs up.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 7:22 pm EST

Hospo, we already had 3-5 guys competing for a few spots, all or most of them versatile. I can't even begin computing the possibilities with the Hayes signing, another guy who can play all 3 forward spots but also has the size and skill. I think it just works wonders for them on all levels, prospect depth, NHL depth & flexibility, and on the trade front. Bit of a new wrinkle they see him as a center, but why not? We badly need the size up the middle. Only question now is can the kid play? LOL? Im going to trust their judgment for now, they went really hard after him with every team (minus Chicago naturally) kicking the tires and came away with him. Very pleasantly surprised. What they do with this new found depth IDK, but theyve sure given AV an array of quality choices from which to remold a SCF team. Glass, Boyle, Hayes, Stempniak, Lombardi, plus Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath and Allen to choose from for VERY few openings. I don't know if people realize the conundrum some of these prospects are going to face. There will be just nowhere for them to play. This is the best of both worlds as far as depth goes. All they need to do now WIN.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:58 pm EST

Kevin Hayes has a cap hit of $900,000 for the next two years (as expected). He can reach a max salary of $3.75M based on performance bonuses.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:58 pm EST

SJ trying to get JT to waive NTC. Might be the time to inquire

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:51 pm EST

Great line.... "Stripping Joe Thornton of the captaincy is a necessary step in fixing a problem that didn't exist."

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:27 pm EST

WOW, Joe Thornton stripped of the C in San Jose.... JFC.....If memory serves (at least from the games I remember watching) , Hayes only played on the right wing with Kreider. I am stoked to see Hayes in Blue(provided he makes the team of course:)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 3:09 pm EST

From NBC Sports: "And now he’ll be reunited with one of his former running mates in New York. Budding Rangers power forward Chris Kreider, who finished 10th in Calder voting last year, spent two years as Hayes’ teammate at BC — the pair were linemates during Hayes’ freshman year and combined to help the Eagles capture the Frozen Four championship in 2012." Maybe they have so e chemistry. Wonder if he can keep up with Kreider if he's slow-footed.

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 3:05 pm EST

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/rangers-land-highly-sought-after-free-agent-kevin-hayes-155957844.html

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:38 pm EST

Did Kreider play at all at BC with Hayes as his Center?

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:37 pm EST

Think the desire to have Hayes at C has anything with what we faced in the SCF? Gotta love the big body at C!

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:34 pm EST

Good job by Sather, creating his own 2014 1st round draft pick. Do t know enough about the kid, but he's gotta be here to step right in AFAIAC. Center, huh? Well, that gives us options....don't think JT is doomed....no shame in playing 4th line wing. I like how our depth and versatility is evolving....lots of options, lots of injury responses possible. Good stuff.

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:14 pm EST

Moof graze on over there's grass over there but you might have to smoke it... Even if you don't you'll see looney tunes reality cartoon.... Now more cowbell please...got milk?

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:14 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=728795&cmpid=nhl-twt

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:11 pm EST

@stevezipay Anti-tank RT @mirtle: Starting in '16, NHL draft will have a lottery for each of the top 3 picks. 30th place team could end up with fourth.

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:56 pm EST

I'd trust BC's listing on him:6-4 , 216 pounds... May have put on some weight...VERY interesting if they see him as a center. I don't recall him playing center at BC, but I guess it's possible. I know Johnny Hockey was on the wing. I thought Hayes was on the right.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:56 pm EST

Yo squirrel nuts, your buddy Top is waiting for you on the "other Wall." Who let you out "Lefty?" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:53 pm EST

But can he sing?

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:41 pm EST

It's my understanding that the bone growth test is in great demand by many HS cheerleaders :)

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:32 pm EST

a possible explanation for the size discrepencies is that his orignial listed size when drafted was 6'2 205, but over the past 4 years he has gown to 6'5 225 . some sites may still have his original listed size. the fact thsat his game evolved so dramaticly as a senior may in part be related to this extra growth spurt. .when players are drafted at age 18 some have finisihed growing and others are still far from their final adult size. brian leetch was a good exammple was only 5/10 175 when drafted but filled out ot 6/0 195. thats what makes drafting 18 yo's so difficult. in fact in leetchs case i recall the rangers did a bone age test and detrremined that he still had several more years of growth. . matt gilroy is also a player who expreinced a late growth spurt which changed his pro potential from a non entitiy to a highlty sought after senior

docjay


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:26 pm EST

At 6' 1/2" and 220 I once met (and stood next to) WIllis Reed, Dave DeBuschere and Bill Bradley in a hotel lobby- and for the first time in my life realized what it felt like to be dwarfed both vertically and horizontally!

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:10 pm EST

shonuff - funny stuff..I remember running into Ric Flair and Beautiful Bobby long ago in an airport...Funny that at, say, 5-10 180..I was maybe bigger than those 6-2 230 pound behemoths!

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:07 pm EST

RABID - but if they want him at C and the increased responsibilities that come with it that might mean more time at Hartford to get the position down to where he's ready to play at the NHL level ...Or maybe starts out at W his first year as he acclimates...Who knows..I'll wait for camp....But the more players competing and ready, the better off the Rangers

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:50 pm EST

He is a growing boy

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:48 pm EST

6-3 205 , 6-4 213, Katie Strang says he is 6-5 225. Would would wwf list Hayes at ??? 7-3 300 ??? What is actual size of this guy ???????

shonuff


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:41 pm EST

rf a blind squirrel can find his nuts and his ass.....and his nuts.....brain still works.....so maybe sather is both?.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:34 pm EST

Clark may have mentioned Backes. The Blue referenced in Weekes tweet was Berglund.

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:27 pm EST

stevie: Or a blind squirrel! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:26 pm EST

Weeks quotes front office member "skilled 6-5 centers hard to find". Supposedly Clark mentioned Backus when talking Hayes . Havent had chance to track it down. Lindberg who? Thats why I said hard to predict what this move will mean..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:22 pm EST

Stevie.... I was positive about the McIlrath signing the first couple of years, but now I'm starting to be a bit more pessimistic. From everything I've been reading, he's still not going to be ready until next season at the earliest. Then again many defensemen don't put it all together until their mid-twenties. Here's hoping he proves me wrong :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:22 pm EST

guess sather doesn't completely suck.....he's a decent broken clock......a lucky one too......he's still hanging ...on the wall......

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:15 pm EST

Kevin Weeks says NYR view Hayes as a center. Hmmmm..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:14 pm EST

Rhet guess I wasn't clear, I wasn't talking about cap space. I meant the roster.......I'd rather see Big Mac take J Moore's job if he can prove he deserves it......I hope Buek has taught him well.....and he's finally ready for the show.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:13 pm EST

Per Kevin Hayes..... Really excited to be part of the @NYRangers organization. Thankful for the family, friends and fans that supported me along the way.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:07 pm EST

The Hayes signing makes us that much more of a deep team. Miller will have to earn his spot on the team (which is not a bad thing). IMO, Stempniak and Lombardi should both be looking over their collective shoulders that one of the kids doesn't take their spot away. Also, both Bourque and Lindberg are both talking like they're coming to camp with the mindset that they're winning a roster spot. I for one am so looking forward to this year's camp ...Stevie... Capgeek creates Cap know-it-alls. We have plenty of cap room for everyone that will make the team. Others that are currently on the roster and wont make the team will be sent down(creating cap relief). That includes the upcoming re-signing of John Moore.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:06 pm EST

Happy to hear about the HAYES signing though I know nothing about him other that what I've read. The organization needs as much young, skilled depth as it can find. I don't know if this kid can make the Rangers out of camp and I have no idea if he could even be a difference maker in a few years, let alone as a rookie. Still, the Rangers are a better, deeper organization today then they were yesterday.

Vic


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:52 am EST

TDCHI - Thanks for the summary,,,,But again, why does Miller have to go to the minors if Hayes is good enough to make the top 3 lines (which to me still has to be a question)? A 4th with Miller and Glass/Moore can be very effective.....The person it may effect instead is Jesper Fasth who might nave no shot......But, lets see how Hayes does in camp...also..never know if the Rangers are done and do not know if they have another trades or professional tryout contract for a forward...Again, a lot of possibilities...

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:48 am EST

Who needs Poo?

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:47 am EST

it's better than not getting him at least, and hopefully a great move.....although many here say the nyr didn't have room....than I guess they don't need prospects, picks, or promotions right now.....slightly confusing......could mean jt jitters doesn't get promoted......

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:42 am EST

Hospo - I've seen a bunch of HAYES with BC over the past few years and my take on him is that he's neither KREIDER nor BOYLE...Kind of a different player altogether...Boyle at BC was a beast. He could impose his will on players...he was a beast in the AHL too...it's when he got to the show his lack of footspeed caught up with him...on a tangent, Boyler in the pre-2005 lockout NHL would have been a monster...anyway...KREIDER has always used his speed and quick release to score goals...but he also had the bonus of being a big kid in a league of little players...he too was an uncaged beast in the NCAA...whether shooting down the ice or just carrying the puck in the zone...he was a tough kid to stop...Hayes doesn't have his speed, but probably has better hands...He's also not a physical kid, but he strong on the puck...the guy who comes to mind for me is Blake Wheeler, though I think Wheels is faster and more skilled...Hayes is a good signing. He's NHL-ready and will certainly take a little pressure off the organization to find/develop first rounders...essentially, he's the body that fills the spot of the pick lost in the NASH deal, IMO...Said it a few days ago, there was some talk that he would have gone in the top-15 if he was able to re-enter the draft...I don't remember where that came from though and could be another one of these fans sites talking bunk...my question now is what happens with MILLER. One of those guys is ending up in the minors, IMO.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:37 am EST

Per Katie Strang..... Rangers make it official. Free agent forward Kevin Hayes has agreed to terms

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:36 am EST

Just saw where Keith Tkachuk is Hayes' cousin. It is a shame he doesn't play a tough physical game like Keith did. We sure need that.

GaryRanger


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:33 am EST

Will be interesting to hear his reason(s) for choosing us. Also, NHL.com player bio has him listed as a center..."who is comfortable either at center or wing."

RF73


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:27 am EST

I, too, share in the rejoicing at the signing of Hayes today for the same reasons cited on here already. What I don't know is how legitimate a prospect he is, but if what I read is accurate, he arguably jumps to the top of the Rangers prospect listings, although one could reasonably say that Miller's at least his equal, if not ahead. I concur that he essentially replaces the 28th overall pick from June's draft the Rangers surrendered in the MSL deal.

RF4L


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:17 am EST

Ranger47 - Or, if Hayes succeeds, maybe he slides onto the 2nd or 3rd line and JT MILLER can play with Glass and Moore on a solid 4th line...It's all up to how they perform in camp...a lot of flexibility and possibilities in the lineup

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:11 am EST

Funny how the loss of Poulliot and Boyle may have been the difference in Hayes seeing opportunity with us. This definitely should light a fire under JT Miller who, if Hayes succeeds, might be Hartford-bound or trade bait. Best case is that both players force a spot on the team...

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:03 am EST

When Graves is sent down his contract will slide...I think they can assign him but let him stay at camp a few days as well...but most likely a contract or two will be moved....even if only to keep flexibility for in season trades

Wildcard


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:01 am EST

MF... Chicago does gain a 2nd Round Pick, but we do not lose one.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:00 am EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24669477/report-coveted-college-ufa-kevin-hayes-signs-with-rangers

RF73


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:56 am EST

damn...Hayes' stats

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:55 am EST

Just looked at Kaye's stat's at BC and, man, did he take off last year in the goal scoring department! He also seemed to improve every year, at least statistically....Again, I know little about him other then he's big and strong and scored at BC....Now, the Rangers have had two player that did similar things at BC-----Brian Boyel People forget he was a scorer in college) and Kid Kreider.. So , is he a big strong guy that can stand in front of the net like Boyle...or does he have a lot more speed ala KREIDER..or, somewhere in between? Just trying to learn the new guy

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:46 am EST

RF4L - Obviously the kid has to grow up as most 18-20 year olders do....and the leaders of a team will help that process...but you also don't want to suffocate him and try to take away his individuality and what really makes him tick....Maybe a little extra work from an organizational stand point, but it will be worth it..

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:42 am EST

I don't know KEVIN HAYES from a hole in the ground and am only going by what I read here from my fellow wallbangers and in other players...AT THE LEAST, he adds prospect depth, recaps a lost draft pick, and provides more ammunition (other prospects) for a deal that might be needed around deadline time...At the best, we have a big stong wing that can skate and score for many years and MAYBE step right into the lineup...Either way, gotta love......Guess there's no room for Carcillo now, eh? Still worry about toughness and, sounds strange, but Glass better not get hurt

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:34 am EST

with 50 NYR under contract-there is a move coming-as John Moore isn't signed.

puckyou


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:24 am EST

No telling what kind of player Hayes will become, but did we need a 6-4 forward that can score? Duh. Been advocating these type signings for years. Sounds like we caught a geographic break, kid wanted to play near home. Excellent way to recoup a No. 1.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:17 am EST

Per Mark Divver..... Word's out: Kevin Hayes agrees to deal with Rangers. Location was important. MSG's an easy trip for #bigdaddy

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:13 am EST

Kevin HAYES signing = Best move Sather has made since bringing ZUCCARELLO back across the pond.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:11 am EST

Leaves us shy a number two pick for next year. Gotta recoup picks...

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:55 am EST

way to get that 2014 #1 back Slats!!

puckyou


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:43 am EST

John @Buccigross reports from Dublin on Ray Ferraro's twitter feed that @KevinPHayes12 has signed with @NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:37 am EST

Danny Picard (sports talk radio host).... Sources tell me Kevin Hayes has signed with the New York Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:35 am EST

RR - I'd have an easier time buying Ho-Sang's line if the kid's body of work was in the same stratosphere as some of his predecessors, but one very good year does not make a career. Seems to me he's jumping the gun a bit and that's unfortunate because people are now waiting for him to fail...he has a rookie stumble...a bad camp...a youthful indiscretion...he's gonna get raked over the coals...I think a good example of this was LINDROS...though he had the numbers to boast about...his sticking it to the Nordiques..refusing to sign and demanding a trade put a giant target on his back both on and off the ice. That kid sneezed the wrong direction, he had the entire Canadian press up his ass...certainly the truth came out later that he was, in fact, just a real schmuck when he came into the league...and I kind of wonder if that's part of the reason he ended up so banged up in the end...for guys going against Lindros, it was more than stopping him with the puck...it was personal. When I think about what could have been with that player...man...what we got instead was a couple years of the Lindros everyone was sold and then a shattered career of a player who couldn't live up to the hype he created...I see that playing out on a lesser level with HS.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:19 am EST

Re: MSL - As a preface, I'll acknowledge I was never for the deal that brought him here and never thought he was a good fit with an undersized guy like ZUCC already in the lineup...but that said, I see MSL as a RECCHI-like player...Wrecking ball had nothing left to prove with the Bruins, and his contract reflected it...never made more than $2 million per...cap hit was always around $1.25 million or less...the guy already had a cup ring...had over 500 goals to his name and 1,400 point...was likely already HOF material...He came in to a young Bruins team and was the veteran presence that got everyone flying straight...Bruins wouldn't have won the cup without Recchi...plain and simple...Clearly, the Rangers are MSL's retirement team...they're the only team he would accept a trade to for whatever reason and I don't see him being the type of guy who would demand $5 million-plus in another contract. I suspect the guy takes a deal for around $2 million if he still has gas in the tank after next season...maybe even less...if he's still looking for a big payday, he can kick rocks...but if Marty wants another cup, I'd happily give him a year-to-year contract in the same vein as Recchi.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:11 am EST

Per NHLRumorsDaily.... As of right now I'm being told Kevin Hayes will sign with the NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 8:35 am EST

Divver, who seems to have the inside track on this, says the Bruins are out on HAYES.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 8:15 am EST

Some buzz Hayes leaning towards Rangers. I remember that night Iginla was supposedly leaning towards Bruins, everyone tweeted it was done, then he landed in Pittsburgh.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 5:55 am EST

Late last night Divver tweeted that the Rangers and AV's have the inside track on Hayes. Hopefully, we find out soon.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:57 pm EST

And Hospo, think you nailed it on you-know-who, but really it all comes down to the kid putting points on the board, does it not? If he does that he looks like a new breed and everyone else looks like a schmuck. If not, he'll have more than the usual amount of egg to wipe from his face. Its just exceedingly rare I see someone who has a demon-like desire to score. From what I've seen, this kid has it. But time will tell.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:50 pm EST

Yeah, ya know, I'm concerned about the whole 'older' core of this team if they don't win this year, but Marty St Louis has made a lot of people who counted him out look Stupid, capital S. So think I'll just temper my remarks for now. He's a guy who can easily play to 42-43, if his legs hold up. Whether its here or not IDK.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:37 pm EST

Marty will have to go to one year deals that help the team with the cap a la Teemu Selanne. Marty also wont just collect a paycheck, it's just not in him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:24 pm EST

you re-sign your 40-year-old leading scorer, if you can fit it under cap.

Messier11


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:16 pm EST

I really don't know what to make of this Hayes situation as far as what it means going forward, though like I said I'm already hoping hard Sather doesn't even entertain the notion of a resigning of 40-yr old Marty St Louis next year, and nabbing Hayes make that decision that much easier. But one thing I'd bet the ranch on, no way in the wide world Rangers promised this kid any kind of spot, any quid pro quo for signing. He'll have to make the team on merit, and maybe that's why they're having trouble deciding. Avs are up & coming, but a serious contender in a tough western conference? Maybe. But we're a Cup finalist. Pittsburgh is a mess right now. The allure of playing possibly with the world's best player in Crosby would lose its allure with me when I looked at the rest of that team, losing Niskanen, their best offensive Dman coming off a stroke and a basket case in net. Their depth has really suffered, they dealt away Neil, so, IDK, even if PITT guaranteed me a spot I wouldn't be totally sold. We've got Kreider, his former linemate, but Sather & AV will make him earn it. One thing is they must really like the kid to be bidding so hard & so late in the process. Gotta figure we find out tomorrow.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:58 pm EST

From the rumors I've read online about Kevin Hayes.... The Bruins are rumored to be out and the Rangers and Penguins are very much in. The AV's were the favorites going into the weekend and are probably still in the mix. IMO, he went in to the weekend thinking he was signing in Colorado and the Rangers and Pens kind of knocked his socks off. I think there's a very good change he comes to NY. JMO though.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:46 pm EST

Hospo: How do the big 3 respond to such behaviour from 18 year olds? Not challenging you - just curious given your stance that it's good Ho-Sung is bucking the trend.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:01 pm EST

Still no word on Hayes. This kid think he's Lindros or what? Meanwhile Sathers out fishing with old Oilers and BTW, Wang sold the Isles today. Don't think it takes full effect for a few years.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:00 pm EST

Hospo - See, I look at it this way: A disruption is a disruption on a team...it's why SEGUIN was moved...it's why Sean AVERY doesn't have a job and I suspect it's why HO-SANG fell to 28th and will quickly alienate himself in the Islanders' organization unless he starts to grow up a bit...Interesting that this writer seemed very harsh on the Bruins for their move...But the popular notion among Boston fans is that Seguin left them with no choice...there were A LOT of rumors swirling around Seguin ranging from his despicable living conditions to his penchant for partying...and then there's the other popular rumor...and that is he banged Nathan HORTON'S wife...we see players sometimes moved inexplicably and you have to wonder...ESPECIALLY in the case of a player like Seguin...whether some of these far-out rumors are true...where there's smoke, there's certainly fire...and the fact they moved Seguin when they did and for what they did is highly suspect...I have a close friend plugged into the Bruins scene and the way he puts the deal was that it was only a matter of time until Seguin punched his ticket out of Boston...yet this writer seems to take the stance that the Bruins management just got impatient and flipped him without much thought...I don't believe that for one minute...they saw a problem that was getting worse and worse...the did the only thing they could to correct it...Now I don't think Ho-Sang has THOSE kind of problems...but like I said, his mouth is going to start others in the locker room that will not make him a popular guy...we'll see. He's 18. I remember how I was at 18 and cut anyone that age some slack. Time will tell.. My gut, however, tells me Ho-Sang will end up going the wrong direction, not the one that gets his name etched next to Kane or Crosby.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 5:40 pm EST

Another good story on Ho-sang/Hop-sing can be found at...http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/josh-ho-sang-is-brash-and-cocky-is-that-so-bad/..Personally, I hope the kid tears the Leage up...To be the best you have to be confident and cocky, and the kid has it in spades...Just think he needs to reel in the outward expression of it...and limit his stubbornness..But hey, he's a freaking kid.......ANd he may be stubborn..but so may be this era of scouts who all seem to want the farm boys from Canada, USA and Europe who are brimming with "character" and say Yes Sir and No Ma'am ,..They are obviously afraid and wary of a kid like Ho-sang and also seem to WANT HIM TO FAIL (because they don't want to be wrong).....Nothing wrong with something different if that player can get along with teammates--that's the only issue with me....And I haven't heard too many negatives in that respect..

Hospo


Tue Aug 19 2014 3:40 pm EST

K.Hayes is a southpaw.........http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7938

mf


Tue Aug 19 2014 1:20 pm EST

Hayes is lefty TD, unless Ive been watching wrong guy on YouTube. Reason Id like it is auto replacement for MSL next year. Still doubt it happens. We'll see...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 1:15 pm EST

Hope Divver is right; Re: Kevin HAYES...Rangers need to grab this kid...if for no other reason than to prevent the Bruins and the Pens from having him on their roster...I'm not 100 percent convinced he's star material...think he's NHL-ready and could be a great compliment for the guys they have coming through the system...the other crucial element to recognize with this kid is he's a right-handed shot...and they are very rare on this roster.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 12:29 pm EST

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday BREAKING NEWS: Charles Wang has agreed to sell the #Isles to John Ledecky, former co-owner of the Capitals, and investor Scott Malkin.

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 11:13 am EST

TD, I concur some of what I see the kid saying is unusual. Point Ive been trying to make is, from the moment I became aware of the different situations surrounding Ho-Sang, teams not even interviewing him, etc., the whole thing seems very unusual. Maybe its how he motivates himself, IDK. But no doubt outlandish behavior wont cut it on ice. One only needs to remember the mob after Anisimov when he decided to brandish his weapon against TB LOL

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 11:02 am EST

TD: Your point about him making things harder for himself due his constant running of the mouth is valid. He's not invited to TC and given his outburst, won't be anytime soon. In terms of putting unnecessary pressure on himself, that doesn't fit. But, blabbing that he's gonna be better than JT is really dumb because as you say, lots of folks will be armed and ready if/when he shows in camp he's not. And if/when the press interviews him during camp and he's spouting off like that, guess who's not gonna like it too much: His potential Islander teammates. What he should do is STFU and then, if he does prove to be as fabulous as he says he is, simply say 'I told you so!'.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:58 am EST

This guy has Buch as NYR top prospect. I saw him play in last year's jr. tourney-and he has inpressive skills-sees the ice well, great hands/passer. http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/prospect-rankings/read-looking-at-another-version-of-the-rangers-top-10-prospects/

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:52 am EST

RR - No doubt, if Ho-Sang comes into camp and plays anywhere NEAR JT, then he's going to silence a lot of his critics...And if he outplays JT? Yeah, a lot of teams and organizations are going to have to do some soul searching...the part where I start to roll my eyes is that this is hockey. Not football, not basketball, and certainly not baseball...showboating on the ice is one thing...talking like a showboat off the ice is another...guys just generally don't do it...some of the things coming out of this kid's mouth are things a guy like Crosby would have never said even at his most petulant...we'll see what happens in camp...but let's just say Ho-Sang just turned the hill he has to climb into a mountain...instead of going into Islanders camp...one that is generally ignored because the franchise is such a joke...with little attention on him and a chance at being a late add to the Team Canada roster...he's now going there under a microscope and almost ZERO chance of making the junior team...there are people who are going to be eager to watch him fail...and plenty of reporters willing to write about it if he does.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:45 am EST

puckyou - Never a sucker for fan blogs and was particularly unimpressed with the Rangers' Traverse City roster...but damn, it's tough not to get excited reading the summary that guy posted...I know he's spot-on with a number of those prospects...which gives me all the more excitement for the others...In specific, it's interesting to read about this Czech kid, NEJEZCHLEB...never heard anything on him prior to the draft...But he sure seems(and looks) like a solid pick who could see pro action sooner rather than later...also interesting to think DUCLAIR could challenge for a spot...Nicholas LATTA was a guy I saw play toward the end of the season...didn't realize he captained Sarina...he didn't look out of place with the Pack...writer shares my same high hopes for TAMBELLINI too...and many of us forget Micheal ST. CROIX...But this was a kid who was pretty high up on the organizational chart until he stumbled a bit during his first pro year...anyway, I'm pretty pumped for TC now.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:41 am EST

The Rangers are “in the thick” of the bidding for BC UFA Kevin Hayes. (Mark Divver)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:18 am EST

My bad. Ryan Graves doesn't count against us. The Rangers would be at 49 contracts once John Moore is signed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:13 am EST

With the Kristo signing, the Rangers are now at 49 of 50 contracts with John Moore still left to be signed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:49 am EST

Again, Im not going to go all Ho-Sang crazy because he's now New York Islander property. But he was selected with what was originally the Rangers No. 1 pick, and is certainly an interesting conversation piece, especially on an otherwise dull summer day. Ya know, I'm someone who DETESTS what's happened in sports, and culture & society in general when it comes to what was once common forms of decency. I can remember when football players scored a touchdown and HANDED the ball to the referee, and as far as Im concerned its how it still SHOULD be. I can remember the Mets had a guy, Wllie Montanez, who would go through a routine before he got in the batters box, the likes of which I haven't seen repeated to this day, that was from another world. Spit, flip the bat, adjust the cup, fix the wristbands. It was like WTF? WTH is wrong with this guy? Little did I know what was coming next. Now we've got out & out murderers in sports, guys knocking their GFs out in elevators and dragging them unconscious thru hotels and getting a 2-game ban. It is MADNESS. But I don't sense that type of behavior from Ho-Sang at all. He's merely questioning what he sees around him, which, to a point, I think all good citizens should do. it's what creates progress in the world. he said that very thing in that interview, if anyone bothered to read it. It may be easier to just rip the kid as a blowhard, I get that. But I think he had every right to question why his GM compared him to a Harlem Globetrotter. He asked why?; said he was a hockey player, pointed it out. GOOD for him. Makes these assholes feel uncomfortable. A lot of the great people in history were misunderstood in their time. And Im certainly not saying Ho-Sang is the next Muhammad Ali (who people wanted to kill back in the 60's & 70's and is now generally regarded as having been great in & out of the ring). But Im saying IF this kid can back it up with his play, he's got a chance to be a transcendent figure. Hockey is certainly behind baseball, football, and basketball as far as fully integrating not just different races but different attitudes, good, bad, or indifferent. Maybe it's time. But it doesn't shock me in the least the Old Mustache Petes who run hockey have a problem with Ho-Sang. He speaks his mind. Nor can I find ANY fault with a kid saying his goal is to come into camp and try to be better than the best player there. That's what they should ALL try to do. As Ho-Sang said, he feels if he falls a bit short of being better than Tavares, he should still stand a good chance to make the team. And that's his goal. Should it not be? Im not getting some of the objections I see.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:36 am EST

WOLF PACK NEWS: Danny Kristo officially re-sign with the #NYR on a 1 year deal worth $826,875. The pack roster should be complete.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:26 am EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/traverse-city-look/

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:21 am EST

RR: MDZ never got an invite to Team Canada's WJC entry due to perceived attitude issues and he's wasn't nearly as over the top with his raging comments compared to your boy Ho Sung. And look how his career is unfolding. IMO, citing racism as the reason for no invite and/or how he fell in the draft is pure bunk and deflecting away the real reason: Hockey is a team sport and there are endless real examples of how a me-first player, especially one that's very skilled and can make a difference on the ice (like Ho Sung appears to be), can have a negative impact overall and serves to bring his team down vs lifting it to another level. This kid sounds like one angry dude who lets his emotions get the better of him. No doubt, his latest case of verbal diarrhea is serving to enforce to the Team Canada management they did the right thing bypassing him (because this was the summer camp - if he kept his mouth shut and his head down and produced for his junior team like he says he's able to, he'd be invited in December). Talented or not, this kid is without a doubt a loose cannon and has issues. IMO, he needs a shrink.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:06 am EST

That interview sums up why the Ho-Sang went at 28th and to a team like the Islanders and not the top 10...and the funny thing too is that his 'institutional racism' comments from before the draft seem a bit off now after a kid like DUCLAIR...someone who was sort of pushed to the side...came out blazing in the QMJHL last season, earned a look in camp for Team Canada and, by most accounts, earned a spot on a team filled with high-round draft picks...as andrei says...let your game speak for itself...that's what Duke did...I mean, what has this guy accomplished other than running his mouth off? Nothing to compare himself with Crosby, who scored 145 points in the QMJHL as a 16 year old or Kane who had similar numbers as a 17-year-old in the OHL...and then there's Ho-Sang with one good year in juniors...one year where he scored 30 goals...one year where he didn't even break 100 points...and he has the audacity to question why he didn't get a chance? I say this, he's sinking his own ship here. There was some question whether it WAS institutional racism that was keeping his stock down before the draft...I think this article kind answers that question...I don't care what color your skin is...if you run you're mouth like this kid, you're giving coaches a reason to ignore you...no coach wants to be in the thick of battle and risk having one of their own players second guess decisions in the media...that doesn't fly with ANY coach, whether in the NHL, AHL, juniors or wherever. The LAST thing Team Canada needs right now is a loose cannon...especially after several very dismal showings at the World Juniors...Can you imagine what would have happened last year if as the Canadians were being shown the door to medal contention and a kid jumps up and cries the coaches could have played him more but refused...or some other nonsense? And then with the TAVARES comments? So you're saying you're going to outplay the CAPTAIN of your team? A guy you've never played against? A guy who you've likely never met? As a player who never played in the NHL? That takes a rare blend of incompetence and balls Good luck with this one, Islanders. Skill or not, this kid needs a good ass kicking. Sounding more and more like KABANOV, only a native English speaker.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:14 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/marty-st-louis/recap-marty-st-louis-on-tsn-radio-on-his-future-the-team-john-tortorella/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:46 pm EST

No argument Andrei. We can all have different views. Its why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors. Idk, you tell me, a kid who's drafted in the first round, not even an INVITE? Is that normal? I dont pay much attention to the team Canada selection process, but seems to me, unless Canada has an array of insanely talented kids coming up, Ho-Sang has to be one of the more skillfull talents that are eligible. Not an invite U-17 or U-18? Doesn't sound right to me off what I've seen of the kid, but again, let's call it what it is. If he's a loudmouth, new-era type hockey player, he gets denied a chance? That's all the kid said. I read his remarks carefully; its not some Ochcinco- type unbearable stuff. Seems pretty thoughtful to me. Anyhow, no word on Hayes I guess. Why every agent has to turn everything into a dog & pony show IDK. Its not like rookie contracts aren't capped. Still don't think we get him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:31 pm EST

Rabid Ranger, no desire to argue with. So let's not make this an argument. Time will tell. I can only tell you what i think. If i was a GM, my dream prospect would not be So -Ho. My dream prospect would be someone like Girardi. There is a guy who went un-drafted, worked extra hard and proved everyone wrong. Guess what, he was nver invited to to camps, either. If i was a GM, I would never want "look at me"," i'm this bad ass", "fuck you, i'm still the best" prospect. It's not a fresh breed of players. It's a disgusting, self-centered and plain stupid by some one who has not accomplished a thing yet. He was drafted exactly where he was drafted because rest of the league had told him "Fuck you". So he better get his head out of his ass, swallow his tang, work harder then anyone else on the team, and prove his words on the ice..

andrei


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:18 pm EST

How about "Jewmaicaneese?" ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:05 pm EST

Someone wouldn't have to tell me ashy Ho-Sang must shut up. Because he dares question the authorities running the game? Maybe you like how the game's been run the last 40 or so years, but I sure don't. Kid is a breath of fresh air. Says he's going into camp trying to be better than Tavares. Isn't that the approach you want your prospects to have? Again, its an Islander issue now, so I won't harp on it. But I dont know how anyone reads that story and come away with a bad impression of the kid. He seems pretty enlightened to me, whether he ever Makes the NHL or not. And back to the draft, this kids story is just dripping with racism. Call it what it is.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 10:38 pm EST

RF4L, i was thinking same thing. Kid just needs to STF and play. Let your game be your spokesman. Exactly why the kid will never be a Pro unless he learns that you can't demand a respect... you need to earn it. Fuck the Junior Team, become the best and make them beg you to join the main Team Canada. Man or man. Yes, Josh, scouts knew who Sid the Kid was when he was 12 years old. Not sure they cared much for you, when you were 12.

andrei


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:55 pm EST

OMG, Hop Sing really needs to the shuttup. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459703

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:13 pm EST

NY Rangers had "2" Defensemen in the top 90 in scoring... McDonaugh at # 17, Girardi at # 68.... Hopefully the defense as a unit contributes considerably more scoring, which I think they will, without sacrificing the defensive side of the game...... http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLDADALL&viewName=summary&sort=points&pg=1

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:42 pm EST

Stevie... No and Brooks never retracted his totally wrong statements about it either. When Haggerty was signed, he was no longer eligible to be sent down to Hartford(due to the time of the year and that he wasn't Ranger property prior to his signing). His only real option was to stay with the big club. Hopefully it pays dividends down the road....TD.... It was reported before Shultz signed that he wanted guarantees of a roster spot, a claim which he vehemently denied once he signed. Even if it was promised to him on the sly, there is nothing preventing the team from revoking it after he's signed. Also, It's believed that Schultz will be asking for $4 Mil per season on his next contract. He has delusions of being PK Subban.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:25 pm EST

Wasn't haggerty signed to a one way contract ?

stevielegs


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:23 pm EST

FWIW: Columbus has not yet come to terms with Ryan Johansen

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:16 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I realize that...but tell me this: You don't think the Bruins gave Blake WHEELER every assurance he'd be with the big club when he signed? Ditto with Justin SCHULTZ? Those guys were told they were coming directly to the show...and yeah...the could have been sent down...actually, Schultz WAS sent down because of the lockout...but the implication was they had spots in the lineup...Wheels would have never signed with the Bruins had he thought there was a chance he'd start in Providence. HAYES is looking for assurance...and if a team tells him they're going to start him with the big club and then reneges...well, I'm sure that'll be the last college free agent that signs there.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:52 pm EST

Avery should nominate Uncle Daddy too.... Butt Bung-Holio already went.....

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:30 pm EST

Sean Avery does Ice Bucket Challenge and nominates John Tortorella.... http://instagram.com/p/r2P8cJKliI/

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:28 pm EST

TD.... We need to remember that Hayes is "Free Agent" but not an 'Unrestricted' one. He's never signed a professional contract so he has parameters that he can sign in. Per the CBA, Players cannot receive a NTC/NMC in seasons they are not eligible to be a unrestricted free agent. Therefore, no team could sign him to a deal where they guarantee to not send him down.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:55 pm EST

Avs/Preds supposed favorites for Hayes all along.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:39 pm EST

RF4L - Obviously, the Rangers aren't going to sign a kid who has never played in the NHL to a contract that says he can't be sent down...but clearly, HAYES wants an assurance there is a spot for him in the lineup and is confident enough that he can land it...What I'm saying is that a Hayes/Miller competition sets the table for some pretty bad blood to develop from one side or the other if both guys come to camp...both guys look good and Miller ends up the odd man out because of whatever the Rangers promised Hayes....then again, I suppose you could always take both on your roster and look to move someone else...Bottom line is Hayes is going to go to the team where he thinks he has the best shot of making it to the NHL to start the season...of the teams that are/were listed, certainly the Predators seem like a safe bet...but then again, would he WANT to go to a rebuilding team with little hope in making the POs? Calgary has the same issue...I'm dismayed to see the suck-ass Pittsburgh franchise in the running because this kid could very conceivably end up on a line with Malkin or Crosby...The Bruins are another one...remember they nabbed WHEELER a few years back in a similar situation...they could easily promise Hayes a spot on third line...the question is can they fit him under the cap? I think the Rangers have as good a chance as anyone...but have a feeling Boston will end up with the inside track.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:27 pm EST

Messier11 - The irony here is that the Jackets could very well be one of the best teams in the east...certainly in the Metro division...That team is just nails, through and through...but to answer your question, I think if the Rangers decide to trade Nash, he'll pick and chose what team to go to...and I highly doubt Columbus is on that list...I did here something to the effect of his NTC that was to kick in at the end of the season(replacing the NMC) was voided by the trade...and if that's the case, I'd say you can kiss Nash's ass goodbye as soon as that happens. I am with the general sentiment here in that I hope Nash has a monster year...I hope he lands 70 points and dominates...but I have a very sneaking suspicion that we're going to see last season replayed over 82 games...I think we're gonna get 25-goal 50-point Rick Nash and that it'll be enough to punch his ticket out of here when the post season is over.

tdchi


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