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Mon Sep 1 2014 4:08 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/31/6087671/new-york-rangers-dan-girardi-analysis

stevielegs


Mon Sep 1 2014 4:05 pm EST

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2181277-new-york-rangers-most-likely-to-end-up-in-minors-to-start-season?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Mon Sep 1 2014 3:39 pm EST

Hi Guys, very sad to see the passing of Carol Vadnais, I had mixed emotions about him as Ranger, I hated the trade that brought him here, As I was a big fan of Brad Park. as I believe Park was one of the three best Ranger defenseman (obviously Brian Leetch and not so obviously Doug Harvey in a short sample size) plus was never a big fan of Phil Esposito before and during his Ranger career, but I was won over by the Play of Vadnais, he was a "stick man" in the mold of a guy like Pierre Pilote , and love the pairing of Vadnais and Dave Maloney on the late 70s Ranger teams, so rest in peace Carol Vadnais and my condolences to the Vadnais family.

Bathgate9


Mon Sep 1 2014 3:13 pm EST

Out Biking this morning using my NYR Cycling Jersey which invoked multiple "Rangers SUCK!" from other Cyclists....LOL. You can tell Summer is over.

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 1 2014 11:15 am EST

TD... I've made this point before, but you can't just assume a players success with one particular team will translate when plugging him into another team. Before this season, Gaborik had done very little in the postseason(including the Rangers). In gabby's best postseason with the Rangers, he had 1 more point than Nash in 20 games and 2 more goals. I think that's the more fair comparison of the two. I will also say again that Lundqvist deserves his fair share of the blame for losing the cup finals. He failed to hold multiple leads in two separate games and didn't really dominate in any single game. Yes, we were only three OT goals away from winning the cup, but we got there by beating two backup goalies and a starter who has a history of folding in the playoffs(barely). Statistically speaking, there is very little chance of us going to the Finals again THIS season. Even if we kept last season's team together, all of the odds are against us. Lundqvist has to be the difference maker if we are going anywhere. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 11:11 am EST

TD --absolutely agree that Nash did not perform well enough and that we would have had a better chance to win if he had put up points. But, even without Nash burying the chances he had....and he did have some prime opportunities that he got robbed on and also just didn't cash in on....the Rangers could have won the Cup regardless of his performance if we had gotten some breaks at key, key points in the series. We got absolutely none.....the hockey gods who got us there were like a verse from,"Luck Be A Lady Tonight." Anytime you lose as many OT games as we did, it shows that we could have actually won the series. That's why I won't rag on or scapegoat Nash or anyone else....in spite of his sub-par performance, the chance was still there if we had buried other chances in Multiple OTs, got a couple of calls, etc. The more I look back on the series, the more proud I am of the run they made....it was exciting, startling and a great run. Instead of blame for losing, I choose credit for winning all the games they did.

JFC31


Mon Sep 1 2014 10:04 am EST

JFC31 - I see this in a wholly different light. In my estimation, Rick NASH was brought to the Rangers to score goals. He gets paid $7.8 million to score goals...and he didn't do that very much in the playoffs or at all in the finals...KREIDER was a bonus last season...remember, he wasn't even on the opening day roster...and he was coming back from injury...and yet he was almost a point-per-game player...And he was a ROOKIE...My point, which I don't know how anyone can dispute, is that the Rangers without their top stars had a zero percent chance of winning against the Kings...Everyone else in the lineup showed up to play. Everyone else did their job. Nash didn't. Zero points...five games...four PIMs. If the Rangers had a sniper in that series scoring goals, the outcome would have been much different...plain and simple...If we had Gaborik instead of Nash, I think that series would have at least gone to seven games...but instead, Nash did his usual disappearing act...had one big game against the Habs and then vanished...Sure you can rag on Kreider for not making some pretty wide open shots...but at least he had those chances to miss...I couldn't even point to a game where Nash came close to scoring. He was a non-entity the entire series. Absent a PPG Rick Nash, the Rangers are going no where. It's a sad reality that will repeat itself this season if he goes into his usual funk.

tdchi


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:01 am EST

RR: I hated the Park for Espo trade but loved what Vad brought to the table in 79. He had the nickname Zorro cause he wouldn't drop the gloves but would use his stick to defend himself. Life is way to short.

jnyr


Mon Sep 1 2014 12:56 am EST

Vadnais passing today left me with such a lousy feeling, one stronger than it maybe should have been for a guy who only played here 7 years, and who I never really had a strong opinion about one way or another. I remembered him as mostly solid and very good with the stick work, not a guy you wanted to be messing with. But I still couldnt put my finger on why I had this lingering bad feeling; at first I thought it was because he was an unsung guy who came over and wasn't all that popular as a result of the trade, and I know it was hard for he & Espo (who wanted to jump out the hotel window when Don Cherry informed him of the deal) because they had come to hate the Rangers. But then it clicked. Carol Vadnais was a big part of one of my earliest hockey memories. I can remember seeing something from like the 1971-72 Ranger-Flyer series, and a few Peter Puck network games, and ofcourse Saturday night games on WOR chanel 9 that always seems to be against Detroit or Toronto or Montreal, and the Rangers would always get slaughtered. But one of my most distinct hockey memories was turning over the NY Daily News and seeing those 5 headshots (including Joe Zanussi) and thinking WTF is this? I was only 9 at the time, and it was my first experience with a major trade, the same stuff I live & die with all these years later. Anyhow, I just realize what Vadnais passing really said to me and I'm not sure if cancer is technically considered natural causes or not. But the fact he didn't get mowed down by a bus or something was one of those reminders, time is precious. Here's a guy I first became familiar with in 1975. Fuck, that's about to be 40 years ago! And you know, how many days & years do we really get? I'm just thinking out loud so please dont mind me, but maybe this benefits someone today if they read it, makes them push themselves a bit to have a fun day when they otherwise might not. That would be really good.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 31 2014 7:54 pm EST

Professaaaahhhh! J.Moore is still unsigned.... Here's something to look forward to.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUugQoxS8_o

mf


Sun Aug 31 2014 4:32 pm EST

Been busy moving in/starting my junior year in college these past couple of weeks and haven't been following the news all that closely...any update on John Moore?

professa


Sun Aug 31 2014 3:45 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoNjs76OuJo

mf


Sun Aug 31 2014 3:35 pm EST

RIP Carol Vadnais.

Bob


Sun Aug 31 2014 2:09 pm EST

Wow....sorry to hear about VAD. I always liked him. RIP VAD....

Vic


Sun Aug 31 2014 11:17 am EST

RIP Carol Vadnais

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 30 2014 8:51 pm EST

Puck drops in Traverse a week from this Friday, 7pm vs. Dallas

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 30 2014 7:22 pm EST

When do the y drop the puck?? Thank god football is starting.

MelvilleFred


Sat Aug 30 2014 7:05 pm EST

http://nysportshub.com/2014/08/30/can-alain-vigneault-repeat-first-year-success-with-rangers/

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 5:34 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/30/6085329/new-york-rangers-brady-skjei-marc-staal

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 11:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/08/29/apple-teases-rabid-fans-clamoring-for-new-iphone-watch/

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 6:44 am EST

Youre too kind MF.I saw same blurb other day & fell for it too lol Anyhow how fo you like my PP? Thing is AV will never go for it cause he wont break up Zuc & Brass. He never should at ES, but PP they can get more out of Zuc. He should be a 75-pt player IMO

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 30 2014 12:41 am EST

Rabbit, you're no idiot.... g/n

mf


Sat Aug 30 2014 12:07 am EST

thanks Rhetoric. I'm an idiot.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:57 pm EST

Rabid...."Very quietly,NHL & Officials Union negotiating a new CBA. Talks described as "ongoing" ....NOT the Players Union.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:22 pm EST

Very quietly commish & players union negotiating new CBA per P Leonard. WTH? Ink isnt dry on last one. Was supposed to be 9 years or something.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 7:34 pm EST

MF, my perfect power play would have a RHS Zubov right point, a Brett Hull RHS trigger left hash marks to gun all day. But it depends on personnel. We don't have a big time RHS, best we have is Step who can't be relied upon IMO. Boyle is a righty but he roams side to side, or did in SJ at least. As our better scorers are lefties, Nash, St Louis, even Kreider & Brassard, I'd prefer to see Boyle on the left point, shooters on the right (so its a reverse of a Zubie/Hull setup). Guys like him are not Del Zotto when it comes to keep-ins, neither would McD be if he's rotating out there with DB. McDonagh is smart enough not to let a man get behind him, and quick enough to catch anyone who does. But what I've wanted to see for YEARS are set one-touch passes to the middle and BOOM, a forward cutting in and unloading. It'd make all the difference, get the PKers out of their comfort zone, where so many times they just rotate clockwise and follow the puck and wait for bobble so they can pounce.so if we set up that way, we've got a good chance, but the MAJOR thing IMO is your first unit has to be your best guys for each chore. You can't split them as AV did and try to spread the wealth across two units. So my best distributor is Zuc, bar none.Boyle is a given. Kreider in front. Assuming he goes with two D again, McDonagh is the other point. One spot left, and I have to give it to Nash. Nash's PP time was down dramatically, and if you want to get this guy going, he needs first unit time. Hes actually never been a big PP performer, but he's also never playednwith this kind of talent, and could use the open ice to operate in now, he has a HEAVY slapper when he uses it, and I just think if he's your offensive centerpiece you'd best get him going, get his confidence up. He's also another huge body to crash the net with Kreider, should be very effective in front and high slot.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 6:45 pm EST

BTW. The Rangers will have 49 players under contract once John Moore signs. Graves contract slides and Duclair's contract doesn't count against us this season either. So, if Ryan Malone makes the team, we have a contract available to give him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 29 2014 6:20 pm EST

MF... I think it's highly unlikely that we trade Glass this soon. Also, we will probably have to eat salary/cap hit to get him moved. As usual, we overpaid for him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 29 2014 5:02 pm EST

I don't know that you can look at points totals to determine whether we more need Malone or Glass. Glass replaced Brian Boyle, not Wayne Gretzky

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:58 pm EST

MF, Id love a prime-time Malone in this lineup, its just what we need and also prevents us giving up pieces for a guy like Andrew Ladd if the need became as pparent, and I think it would in abundance. You cant have a winning team that doesnt take the body. Just sayin Bugsy has hills to climb in short order. AV runs a tight, happy ship & it needs to stay that way.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:17 pm EST

On Malone: Unless this guy has post concussion symptoms or the Ebola virus, we should be all in after this guy.. I'm talking 24/7 to help him get back into shape.. Personal trainers from skating to strength. Nutritionists, help him manage his schedule with his kids, I think he has 2 boys... Get this guy back into the game... He just got bought out, has plenty of money, in all likelihood sign a very cap friendly salary, and push someone out of a spot during & after camp..... He'd probably sign for Tanner Glass money $1.5mill, and Glass is my 1st choice to get bumped out... Maybe we can get a 4th rounder for him while freeing up his salary...... Malone's best season is just shy of TG's career stats....... moo moo

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 2:58 pm EST

mf for you it's moo moo ;-)

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 2:57 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57659-Schultz-gets-3675million-oneyear-contract-from-Oilers-to-prove-himself.html

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 2:57 pm EST

St..Eveil..Egs puts the positive spin on the situation... woohoo :-)

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:55 pm EST

Hospo: Not blaming anyone specifically.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:45 pm EST

hospo the loss goes to all just as the winning it would have. sather and veenyo need to know what to fix and what to keep the same. the nyr playing their best from last season probably wins it. whether the kings stopped them or they stopped themselves up for debate . agree not one or two can be blamed, but the pp was crucial and failed.....nothing to be ashamed of, just woulda coulda shoulda.......plenty to be proud of.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:28 pm EST

RF4L/STEVIE - I don't know, I have a hard time playing the blame game for one of two teams in the Cup finals.....ALOT of things were done right by players, caoches and Sather..The KIngs were just a little stronger/better..And wiule I don't agree with every move Sather makes, I'm liking the possibilities for the coming year

Hospo


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:15 pm EST

Yes, let's hope Dan Boyle helps turn the pathetic long term PP problems around. I am hopeful, but at the same at his age, sooner or later (sooner being more probable obviously) the magic dissipates. There are 2 key components to this year's success who are 38 and counting. That's risky. At least one of them costs nothing but $$.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:55 pm EST

Don't know enough about Arniel's coaching ability, but hard to run the PP when you lack a top-flight center and any puck-distributing D.

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:50 pm EST

I think the problem with having D play their off-position, especially on the PP is the difficulty shoveling pucks off the boards, re MDZ last season. You're going to lose the zone easily

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:46 pm EST

Let's try that again.....Kreider had breakaways in 2 separate OT losses....are we going to,scapegoat him for those losses? If we win those 2 games, Nash's play isn't even up for discussion.

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:43 pm EST

And BTW, Kreider missed breakaways in 2 it's, including one in game 6. Are we going toms ape boat him for 2Stanley Cup,losses? Again, if he buries those chances, Nash's performance in those games is not even an afterthought.

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:35 pm EST

TD -- Kreider had a breakaway in OT in the Stanley Cup Finals and missed the net. If he scores, we win the game....instead, we end up losing. So that loss is his fault, he's the scapegoat in tangible, real terms, no ? Hagelin missed on a break away with time run I g down in game 1. We ended up losing. Again, if we're into,scapegoating, that's a real, tangible situation that one can point to. What you're saying about Nash is theory. Despite what he did or didn't do, if Kreider buries those chances, Nash's performance in that game means nothing...we win the game and the series is different. It's a team game and scapegoating one player on what might or might not have happened if he played "better" just doesn't work AFAIAC

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 12:30 pm EST

Messier11 - A goddamn inanimate carbon rod would have done better than Torts. That guy was poison.

tdchi


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:51 am EST

Is it better to have a RHS D'man on the "left point" than a LHS on the left point? ..... And in a perfect world, is it optimal to have a RHS LW, a RHS point man on the left point, a LHS on the right point, with a LHS RW on the PP? (thanks)

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:40 am EST

RF, youre 100% right on the PP. And its Sather's 14th year if im not mistaken. Should be better if Boyle plays left point, opens up LHS one-timers from Nash, MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:33 am EST

I wouldn't consider myself optimistic, but I did predict that AVs first year would be better than any of Torts'

Messier11


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:31 am EST

With = will

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:30 am EST

Rf hopefully signing Boyle with vastly improve the pp.... Arneil went to sleep on the pp . It was ok early and reverted back by the end of the season and the playoffs. It cost them the Cup ....it was a team and coaching disaster ... Special teams are a BIG key to winning it, all among many factors....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:16 am EST

mf: Hey hey now, you're gonna upset the Sather apologists on here with that attitude!! LOL. I will say this about him: I admit it's tough to argue the fact that the Rangers are something like 2nd (behind LA only) in terms of the number of PO rounds they've appeared in over the past 4 or 5 years. However, only the most optimistic fan would have predicted last year's deep PO run and like it or not, there's no guarantee that the Rangers will even come close to repeating that next spring. Some significant holes remain. And one should not forget he's had 12 years at this. Twelve years! That's a very nice gift from ownership.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 11:00 am EST

Sather Sucks!

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:54 am EST

Except for a few stretches here and there, Sather has yet to assemble a roster that is capable of producing a strong PP. How many years has he been trying now? Twelve? Now that's ridiculous and yeah Nash let the team down, but that PP if one wants to name a single biggest weakness, is IMO without a doubt it. That's on Sather more than anyone else. And twelve years to address!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:52 am EST

Oh yeah and their ridiculously inept PP, which is AV and Sather's fault.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:51 am EST

Lots of blame to spread around for the Rangers quick exit from the finals. Concur Nash has his fair share as does Kreider for failing to capitalize on his assets that got him those breakaways. He choked when it counted. It's also on Sather for not having a big enough team to counter the size and strength of the Kings.

RF4L


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:35 am EST

Hospo I assume your including the coach and his assistants in that . the return of the sullypearn powerless pp sealed their failure to win it all, despite the refs bs of deciding the series, with Toronto and the nhl as accomplices.......

stevielegs


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:30 am EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=729115&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:14 am EST

NASH was brought in to be the Rangers top scorer...He did not provide scoring against the Kings and, despite playing hard and physical, thus one of the reasons the team lost the Cup series....Another more important one being that the Kings got stronger as every game went along while the Rangers were much more inconsistent with that...They lost as a team

Hospo


Fri Aug 29 2014 10:08 am EST

Td, spot on couldn't agree more

KIS


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:56 am EST

JFC - disagree...On a team, you have roles...Nash has a role, and that's to score goals. He failed in that regard...and in truth, I can't even remember him having very many 'missed' opportunities...Nash was brought in to score. His lack of goals coincided perfectly with the Rangers losing three very close games...your star doesn't perform in the finals...you lose...And guess what? The Kings' stars performed...Gaborik had goals. Carter had goals...Kopitar had assists...they won...The Rangers "star" didn't do JACK aside from 'play a good defensive game'...let me phrase this another way: If instead of three OT games, we had three blowout losses where, the Rangers gave up at least six soft goals...you don't think this site would be illuminated with people calling LUNDQVIST a failure? Sorry, but NASH was a MAJOR factor in that loss. Looking at it any differently is basically creating an apology for what was a dismal performance on his behalf...and I tell you what: Had Nash performed in the other 20 games of the playoffs, I'd probable tone down my criticism...but in this case, he vanished...and his disappearance was a leading contributor to why the Kings have the cup and the Rangers don't.

tdchi


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:26 am EST

So many different factors went into that Cup loss for us....so many that it's ridiculous to single out Nash. Was he a factor...yes. But if he did better, we would have won the Cup? That's a huge stretch and simply wrong. Put it all together....Kreider missed 2 HUGE break-always, the refs made 2 HUGE incorrect calls at critical times, the Kings centers were too big for us to handle consistently, Nash did not set the world on fire, our PP was meh....that's how you lose a Cup finals. If Nash played better, would it have overcome the other factors? He'll, if you want a scapegoat (and I personally don't), Kreider is more obvious than Nash simply because of the GAME-WINNING chances he blew....those are overt, objective failures that caused us to actually lose games.

JFC31


Fri Aug 29 2014 9:07 am EST

Ola - Sorry, man, but I think limbo is 100 percent correct...Here's the truth...we didn't even get Nash scoring .5 PPG...or even regular season Nash, which was .6 PPG...we got .4 PPG Nash...and while these percentages may sound petty...thing of it this way: In the cup final, we got ZERO PPG Nash...Here's his stats for the finals: 4 PIM...if Rick Nash scored at his normal, regular season rate (.4 goals per game), that's two extra goals the Rangers have. And since there were four one-goal games...three won in OT...AND one shutout...it's easy to see the Rangers NEEDED those two goals...then also consider that if he scored at his regular season .6 PPG rate, he also would have had one helper...so thats THREE goals the Rangers could have conceivably had...and that, my friend, could have easily made the difference...mind you, this is factoring in 'post-concussion' Rick Nash(still don't believe that has impacted his performance...but whatever)...Now if Nash scored at his 2012-2013 regular season pace...he had a .47 goal per game...and .95 PPG...well that's two goals and three helpers...five goals...Rangers win the series...Look, as a persistent Nash critic, I'm not asking him to be MALKIN...I'm asking him to simply be Rick Nash...and while I won't say the Rangers lost the cup because of Nash, he was a main contributing factor in them not winning. Simply no way around that.

tdchi


Fri Aug 29 2014 8:37 am EST

Forgot....Malone's playing weight was 225. Police report listed him at 250. Lotta rehab to be done in short time. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 7:57 am EST

One guy I'm tempering my enthusiasm for until we see otherwise is Bugsy Malone.Rangers checked him out thoroughly and felt comfortable enough to extend a camp invite (apparently), bottom line, but some scuttlebutt there have been concussion concerns, and I wonder about the timeline. The guy was scratched for the last regular season game and 4 TB playoff games for personal reasons, and the bit in that story from a TB official saying he was in a bad way office isn't from 4 years ago, but 4 months ago. Same time,what are he and his agent (Mike Liut) going to put out if they want to snag a new contract?Itd have to be a comeback trial story. Now if the guy really is rededicating himself, he comes here and knows Marty St Louis and Dom Moore and gets groovin', great. But that's an awfully short turnaround for a guy with an injury history a mile long, not to mention a bust and apparent substance abuse problem. We'll see, and I hope we get something out of him, even if it's a half season in Hartford as insurance for the playoffs. Never know where the season is going to take us. But a top 6 role and consistent performer? I gotta dial that one back a bit.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 29 2014 4:06 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/franchisefaceoff/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 4:03 am EST

From Aug 28: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2014/08/28/expansion-arizona-coyotes-anthony-leblanc/14739931/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:58 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/hockey/2014/08/27/look-up-line-thomas-smith-nhl-chris-kreider/14713063/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:39 am EST

From August 26: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2177212-how-should-the-new-york-rangers-best-use-martin-st-louis-in-2014-15?

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:23 am EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/08/27/michael-del-zotto-kevin-klein-trade/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=RelatedCategory

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 3:01 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2014/08/29/guest-blogger-sioux-who-are-the-rangers-best-prospects/

mf


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:37 am EST

I like Cerny. What would you expect from him? ;) To go like CBS 60 Minutes interviewing Khaddafi on a teenagers just finnishing his first practise in NY?...

Ola


Fri Aug 29 2014 1:34 am EST

Limbo- I don't agree. A Rich Nash as good as say an Evg Malkin would have put us over the top. Nash played on a line that for long and several stretches was shut down offensively. They took the toughest match-ups, they won the momentum battle, but they were just very rarely able to get those really open chances or really get inside the other team around the net. I just think people "boiling" that down to a thinking that results in "a good scoring player"= 1 PPG, "a decent scoring player"=0.75 PPG, a "worthless scoring player"=0.5 PPG, Nash scored 0.5, IE he sucks -- will draw the wrong conclusions.

Ola


Thu Aug 28 2014 10:24 pm EST

Sorry - Nash's time to step up was when his teammates carried him to the f'ing STANLEY CUP FINALS. Redemption - gimmie a break. Sorry everyone - still hurting over here from the finals. We were so damn close. An average Nash would have put us over the top.

limbo


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:47 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2178597-rick-nash-will-look-for-redemption-with-the-new-york-rangers-in-2014-15

mf


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:25 pm EST

For the record, an NHL franchise in Vegas is a TRAINWRECK waiting to happen. This league is a gang of fools if they think this is a good idea...gonna be another Yotes...another debacle. What a joke. Someone please punt Buttman off this planet.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 6:53 pm EST

Rabbit: doubt very much "The Arizona Coyotes" are going anywhere soon after the last few years of drama with that franchise... Attached: link to attendance records.... http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

mf


Thu Aug 28 2014 2:37 pm EST

I hope SCOTTY GOMEZ Make the Devils team. I really really do. That piece of shit belongs in a devils jersey. He is a cancer on what ever team he is on lately. Come on Lou Lams sign him up. PUUULLLLLEEEEAAAAAZZZZZEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Aug 28 2014 2:13 pm EST

Sutter out-coached? Hardly. Sutter got LUCKY. Every single one of those losses could have easily gone the other way. For the absolute bloodbath that series SHOULD have been for the Rangers...On paper, the Kings should have massacred the Rangers...and instead, it came down to a couple of fortuitous bounces and a few bad calls...Hell, even game five...That call on Zucc never happens and you've got a whole different series...I didn't hear anyone from that LA organization gloating about their win, because they knew...things could have gone VERY differently...the 4-1 final didn't reflect nearly how close it really was...One bounce in favor of the Rangers and you could have very easily seen what happened with the Penguins play out in LA.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 2:02 pm EST

Done deal for Vegas per Dan Patrick, but Yotes, Canes could relocate, so no exp. Draft. Sry MF. LOL

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 1:53 pm EST

Not to take away from Sutter, but LA had some things we did (good overall depth, great goaltending) and a few things we didn't (offense from blue line, top-line offense output)

Messier11


Thu Aug 28 2014 1:09 pm EST

It is RF, definitely. If you think about that alternative lineup, one with Malone, Thorton, Hayes, McIlrath, Nash & Kreider, all 6-4 except Kreids who's stronger than any of them, its physically imposing (if not vicious). Its all this team is missing really.we almost invite teams to go after us because few can match the D, goaltending & speed.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:49 pm EST

AON, I felt Darryl Sutter out-coached AV in the SCF's.... Specifically early in the series he began mixing up the line combo's which AV could not keep up with.. The period of time it took AV to settle in, and decide who & how he was going to play in response to what looks Sutter threw at him is exactly the period of time I feel that the Kings obtained an important momentum......

mf


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:49 pm EST

RR: Content is a relative term!!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:48 pm EST

I remember being at a party with half Ranger and half Islander fans the night they beat he Islanders in Game 6. Hat a blast to see Potvin's lean. The guy still annoys me when I watch a Rangers fam when h is the commentator. He still hates them and it comes through loud and clear.

Bob


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:33 pm EST

Agreed RF, we probably see only one, maybe two of those things happen. But content I won't be. I dont agree in principle with AVs whole-to-whistle, turn the other cheek jive. To a point, sure. But its a jungle out there, aggression begets aggression. Our guys were already targeted as blatantly as could be; our top two centers, Nash, McD, all brutal. Collectively, could well have cost us the Cup. And this year, we're not sneaking upon anybody. And we're already hated automatically almost everywhere,so this year I just a see the targets on guy's backs getting bigger, and I'd be real proactive about it.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 12:08 pm EST

RR: Methinks we should be content to settle on one of those 'if's happening...

RF4L


Thu Aug 28 2014 10:48 am EST

RABID - I remember that game/night for the Potvin wife chant ..Only in New York...Loved it.....It was a lot better than the "Buy a Porshce Potvin, Buy a Porsche" which I Think was a little over the line...

Hospo


Thu Aug 28 2014 10:44 am EST

If....world's biggest word Lol... But for those of us still concerned with the lack of size & snarl on this team, something that could be possible right now, and really remains a need IMO after a summer of signing Lombardis & Stempniaks.... Malone (if he makes it) is a big body, good edge. Joe Thornton, who I distinctly remember being nasty with his stick & elbows as a Bruin at least, big body. And if Hayes finds his way into the lineup, that's another 6-4 forward. If, once more, someone like McIlrath shows hes ready and a guy like Klein becomes expendable, collectively they'd have transformed the size aspect of he team.Admittedly that's 3-4 BIG ifs, but still possible and still needed in some form IMO. Same time, size means little if you don't use it. And size, in an extreme example, as it relates fighting, means little in terms of winning. Saw stat where NYR & LA were both in late twenties in fighting majors. Hits, and not taking any shit, thats what I'm worried about.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:54 am EST

Man, and ain't Scott GOMEZ just a never-ending punchline...Here's the hilarious part: Were it not for compliance buyouts and the abject stupidity of the Habs, his $7.3 million-per-year cap hit contract with the Rangers would have JUST ended in July...what a waste of a hockey player...the funniest part of the Devils giving him a tryout is that they could, in fact, reunite the line that never worked....Gomez centering JAGR and STRAKA...ol' Straks is still kicking in in the Czech Republic...putting up decent numbers...Devils have all the trappings of a horrible team, even though they've amassed a good amount of guys who had such promise...10 years ago...average age: 32.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:45 am EST

mf - re: Sean Day; I don't know anything aboot the kid really...but for a guy who 6'2 and 217 at 16 years old?!...still four months away from his 17th birthday...man...that's a big kid...I'd say see what he does this season...he was playing for a pretty awful team last year...but with that size and presumably growing, he should be able to dominate in the OHL.

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 8:07 am EST

RF4L - like I said, the guy is an MSG guy. He spouts what the organization wants him to spout. Essentially, he's the Rangers' PR guy. That said, he gets more access to the team than anyone else affiliated with the media. And while his interviews are pretty much worthless --hell, all interviews in sports are usually lacking in flavor and substance --his suppositions about the team might as well come directly from Sather. That's his boss. And that's why I found his lines somewhat interesting. His interview with Hayes? I'll wait for the redux of that...

tdchi


Thu Aug 28 2014 7:38 am EST

RF4L... I totally agree, he's an awful interviewer. The only thing that stood out to me is that Hayes looks bigger than Kreider.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 28 2014 6:40 am EST

Rhet: I know, valid point. But he's over the top - most of what he asked Hayes was pure drivel. The gushing and pseudo joking about Kreider was embarrassing - he made it sound like he and Kreider were best buddies. Then again, as Bob points out, MSG tends to seek those spine-challenged people out to put in front of the camera. To me it makes the organization look weak and paranoid and ultimately, it's too their detriment IMO.

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:33 pm EST

Nick, I've got one I think you'all enjoy LOL. I can't precisely remember if it was that day, or the day before (could have been a week honestly) that the story broke that Potvin had a domestic dispute with his wife. But just so happened there was game scheduled at MSG right after, and I was there and will never forget it starting, in warmups, Beat your wife Potvin, beat your wife! It was totally organic and just grew & grew, and I SWEAR, from all the way up in the blue seats, you could see Potvin's head growing growing redder and redder HAHA. It was the funniest thing ever and got SO loud it was unbelievable.and it never stopped LOL. for many years hehehe... I don't know if younger people today can even relate to what the blues were like back then, especially versus the Isles, just an absolute fever pitch I've never experienced before or since. People were wild-eyed, or bleary-eyed LOL, the haze of smoke so thick Jerry Garcia would've had to step outside. It was also legitimately dangerous if you were dumb enough to wear an Islander jersey. You were either getting tied up & beaten in it, or chucked down an escalator. It was truly nuts. Anyway, the kicker came they next day when they'd asked Potvin what he thought of the chants and Ranger fans in general, and his reply was (paraphrasing), "they are the most vile and despicable human beings....", still probably the most enjoyable quote I've ever read hahaha....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:14 pm EST

Watched the Hayes interview. Definitely a big boy. The b-roll they have he looks good handling the puck, pretty natural. I'm glad because, since we were nostalgia-izing, for some odd reason the guy that's been in my head ever since the Hayes thing came to the fore was Mark Osbourne, don't ask me why. That's was a frustrating hockey player right there. Missed a WIDE-OPEN net one high, all alone, chance to tie it or win it, can't remember, but can still see it. One of those never-should-happen type screw-ups. Anyway, here's hoping Hayes doesn't set me off like Osbourne frequently did, though Hayes did say he just went to a Drake(and some other b.s rapper whose name escapes me) concert and so isn't off to a great start. I like hardcore rock-n-rollers on my team. Malone seems much more likely to blare some Maiden, blow a dube, and kick some enemy tail out there.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:13 pm EST

LWs: Kreider, Hags, Miller, Glass

Messier11


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:11 pm EST

Glad to converse about the old days! Funny how so many veteran fans remember the Potvin board-slump. My mother despised him and loved that moment so much. We enjoyed watching that game like few others. She lived long enough for the Cup win; I was thankful for that. Ah well. Pig Man ep: the mohel! "Dahling, you see that glass? Why you chose the absolute edge ..."

Nick


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:48 pm EST

I'm firmly of the opinion none of Nash, Zuc, or St Louis can play LW. I know I've gone round & round with a few here who believe otherwise, and that's all good. I just cant for the life of me remember a time any of them looked good there, and Zuc is 100% not the guy I would screw with in any way. That said, truly difficult to get the pieces to fall in place, but who the heck knows who's even going to fill the 3-4 open offensive spots? And if Ryan Malone comes in in good shape the equation gets tougher, though as a big LW he would also go a long way towards penciling people into more natural spots. If Malone bangs like he can in camp, we simply don't have much of that at all, let alone from 6-4/225 dudes with some hands and a bunch of 20-goal seasons. Same time, Malone isn't what you'd call a sure thing by any stretch right now, and that goes even for his PTO. so we'll see. One thing that's nice is how early these guys got in, voluntarily. Means something IMO. I was concerned they wouldn't have enough rest, especially mentally. Some still might not have had enough, but here they are wanting to be together and start work. So for now, all good in the hood.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:33 pm EST

Another way of looking at it is how many of us are in jobs where we are openly able to speak our minds instead of having to tow the company line? Food for thought ....MF.... I'm of the opinion that if Nash plays as physical as he did in the playoffs the first line will be fine. Also, if Hayes makes the team, we'd have three pretty good power forwards on our top 3 lines. I can't remember the last time we were able to say that.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:00 pm EST

Cerny is the consummate company guy. Seems to work hard, but you won't see any point/counterpoint with him or any of the MSG nobs except Maloney. That is the reason Marv is no longer around.

Bob


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:54 pm EST

Watched the Cerny/Hayes interview....gawd, sooo weak. I actually felt embarrassed for him.

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:52 pm EST

Gotta say Cerny looks the part (weaselly company man who likely runs his interview questions by Dolan's PR nobs before he'd ever voice them). For me hard to truly respect.

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:23 pm EST

Scott Gomez has a NJD camp invite!!!

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:15 pm EST

TD: Gotta say, you sure have a man-crush on Jitters Miller. LOL. Not saying it's wrong, just hoping you're right!

RF4L


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:02 pm EST

Rhet: If we're going with MSL & Nash on the wings, we could certainly use a little more physicality as the pivot, and right now that's Brassard.... In which case I'd try Stepan with Zucc and whoever...

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:05 pm EST

TDCHI - We will wait till camp and find out...Our difference can be summarized in one sentence...........Where you say.."easy to see how you could boost STEMPNIAK, MOORE or LOMBARDI up to third line if one of the kids falters...and really gives you four solid lines that can score"......I would say..."easy to see how you could maybe boost Miller, Hayes or Fast to the 3rd line if one of the solid vetsfalters..and really gives you four solid lines that can score.".....

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:00 pm EST

MF.... When looking at how well a player does anything, you can't just look at a small sample size of a few games over a given season. You have to look at what they've done over their career. The Rangers best complimentary player are on the left side(for eg. Kreider, Hagelin), do we have anything on the right side that matches them equally that we should put a Nash or MZA on the left side? When we put a couple of goal scorers together (for eg. MSL and Nash or Gabby and Nash), I never really expect it to work out right away(except for maybe on rushes). They usually need to work out who is going to go to the boards and dig in the corners when needed. Both guys can't float. Training camp is the time of the year to work out those issues(if they ever do get worked out). I think MSL could be huge for Nash in rebuilding his confidence this season. The guy put a lot of pressure on himself to score in the playoffs and it just didn't happen. Hopefully, MSL can work his MOJO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:48 pm EST

Hospo - I point out Jim Cerney just because he is basically a mouthpiece for the Rangers...obviously, it's a loaded question to throw at a guy --asking him for lines --on the first day back from summer vacay...but Cerney is no fan blogger and he ain't a beat writer...he's more or less the Rangers' version of Pravda...He speaks what the organization tells him to speak...In other words, if there's one guy out there in the ether who is as close as they come to the voice of Sather, it's him...Now that said, I want to point out something interesting that I'm just noticing...You say the Rangers would be getting schooled in the faceoff circle? Well, with JT MILLER at center, that might not be the case. The kid was 51 percent last year...and 53 percent the year before...granted, he wasn't taking very many...but he was sixth on the team in total faceoff wins during abbreviated seasons last year and the year before where he was being used almost exclusively as a winger...not bad for a rookie...I've said this before...but I see him as a better center than winger...and if there's a place where he's needed, it's in the middle...his drawback has been his two-way game, and I think we saw some pretty good improvements in that category...Oddly enough LOMBARDI...the guy many have penned in as the third-line center...would be just ahead of BRASSARD in the faceoff circle...Food for thought, but I see Cerney's lines as very realistic, especially since it would give AV a chance to increase the size of his relatively small lineup with HAYES and MILLER...it'd give him the ability to juggle on the fly during games...easy to see how you could boost STEMPNIAK, MOORE or LOMBARDI up to third line if one of the kids falters...and really gives you four solid lines that can score...A line of HAGELIN-MILLER-HAYES would be real interesting...combination of size, speed, skill and grit...that could be a REAL tough line to handle.

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:19 pm EST

Hospo: Are you suggesting Hayes should got on all horse meat diet? :-)

RDW


Wed Aug 27 2014 5:51 pm EST

Nash is strong on the left? My dyslexia ain't that bad. Are we talking Rick Nash?

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 5:09 pm EST

RHET - True, it is a tough question ask with no right answer...... either can happen........I think what bugs me is the general anti-vet pro-new kid/shiny toy that is prevalent amongst the Internet fans and Internet bloggers/reproters (like Cerny) rather than just looking at talent,..And, when it comes down to making decisions, it is the opposite view that is usully held by the coach and the organizaation.....But, hopefully, we have good young talent, and good veteran talent that makes for hard decisions.........The pictures and video I have seen of HAYES, he looks a little slight and coukld use some bulking up...

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 4:12 pm EST

TD... Nash is strong on the left. The problem with putting guys on the left in the past is that most of our complimentary players play the left side. I'd be curious to see the chemistry between him and MSL if they are put together ... Hospo... In Cerny's defense, he said it was an impossible question to answer right now but put up a guess anyway. Also, he's not the first guy I've seen that's suggested a similar lineup.... http://rangersunlimited.com/2014/08/27/odds-and-ends-hayes-malone-john-moore-traverse-city/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 3:38 pm EST

TDCHI - I don't think CERNY's lines have a chance in hades of happening,..It would take two games of winning only 40-45% of the FO draws to junk that crap..And I think he's just another writer/fan caught up in the zest for youth rather then the best player...AV won't be.......Just my opinion, but.It will only take guys like Lombardi and Stemp a few weeks to show how much more helpful they can be NOW than the kids we have..and, if heathy, Lombardi and Moore will be in some form the 3rd and 4th centers

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 3:28 pm EST

More Cerney...his guess for lines...very interesting...and actually, what I would suggest myself...only question I have is whether MSL can move to the left. Outside of that, looks like a pretty bad-ass forward lines:: Nash-Stepan-St. Louis; Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello; Hagelin-Miller-Hayes; Glass-Moore-Stempniak/Lombardi

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 3:20 pm EST

jnyr - He showed up 'on time' to camp, but some in the media took that as 'late' for a rookie...and he tweaked a hamstring I think...missed a few days of practice. Cerney mentioned it today in his chat: " I think JT learned a valuable lesson last year...yes, he was working out on his own back home and arrived in time for camp, but there was/is a certain expectancy to arrive early with the other players before camp even starts...I think it is a really great sign that JT is among the first here in NY working out at the MSG Training Center...he has a prime opportunity to snag an important spot on this team, and he seems very aware of that"

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 2:07 pm EST

I keep reading how JT Miller didn't come to camp early and bond last year. If I do remember right, wasn't he hurt when training camp started??? can anybody confirm this?????

jnyr


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:33 pm EST

Katie Strang in her espn chat said that there is something to the Ryan Malone to the rangers rumor but so far no camp invite extended yet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:30 pm EST

TD: Whatcha got on Sean Day ? 15 y/o eligible for the draft in 2015 or 2016. I posted a few links on him a week ago, would appreciate your take on the kid.. t/y

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:18 pm EST

Lundqvist in new equipment..... http://instagram.com/p/sNV-BLPdIv/

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:08 pm EST

TDCHI - Should be a great camp with everybody (youngsters and vets) serious and about 6-7 guys fighting for 3-4 jforward jobs,.....Hopefully McIlrath and Allen will be fighting hard on D also along with the flotsam and jetsum (Hunwick. Kampf and ????) they signed over the summer...

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:03 pm EST

I really don't think Beck was damaged goods before he came to New York..The only problem was that he held out from Colordo and wanted to renegotiate his contract after his stunning rookie year...Pretty scumbag move but it did eventaully get him traded to the Rangers the next year....I think Beck's shoulder and Neck injuries started in 81 and 82 and it was qll downhill from that, culminating in the big FLATLEY hit in the POs..

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 1:01 pm EST

Hospo: Whenever I see the Seinfeld bris episode I always think about the joke about the mohel who would collect up the "spare parts" to create wallets he sold for $50 a piece - when you rub them they turn into suitcases! :)

Ranger47


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:57 pm EST

Well, looks like JT MILLER ain't coming to camp late this year...per Zip "'s about 90 degrees in this last blast of summer before Labor Day weekend in New York, and some Rangers are holding informal workouts at the team's training complex in Westchester. About 10 Rangers, according to Jim Cerny, who writes for the team's website, were on ice this morning, including Henrik Lundqvist, Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller and prospects Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes and Marek Hrivik. So a two-month break (where did the time go?) is drawing to a close for the Blueshirts after their Stanley Cup Final loss in Los Angeles, and for me as well. Training camp is about three weeks away, and today I began booking flights and hotels for the season's journeys. Expect a torrent of reporting and daily commentary here, on newsday.com, Twitter and in the paper very soon."

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:44 pm EST

Shoulder work. And yup, there Rhet clearing my foggy memory.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:43 pm EST

Yeah Hospo. Pretty sure Beck had shoulder before he ever came to NY. He knew it was his achillies & tried to ration it. Lotta similarities to Nash; kind of player we couldnt draft, big dude from small market, in his prime -(Beck was even younger than Nash), big 4-for-1 trade anf the guy gets hurt. Knew Id seen this script before.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:39 pm EST

Some fans will point to the 1984 playoffs as being the beginning of the end for Barry Beck but it you look at his years before 1984, he did suffer multiple upper body injuries causing him to miss 78 games in his first 7 seasons. Many fans feel that he was damaged goods ever since he arrived from Colorado. That he never again looked like quite the same player he was for the Rockies.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:38 pm EST

RHET - Never said the trade wasn't a good one, it was...Just saying BECK wasn't as good as he could or should have been for various reasons...Obviously, more Pronger (hurt) then Chara..

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:26 pm EST

My crystal ballz say MF is thinking of leaving Nash exposed in the expansion draft LOL.PigMan ...haha. riotously funny. My neighbor has the Kramer portrait in his garage. Cracks me up whenever I see it..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:23 pm EST

Possible States/Cities for an NHL franchise: Oklahoma Ctiy, UTAH, Greenbay Wisconsin, Seattle, Quebec City..... Wonder what the average attendance is for the Florida Panthers? NJ Devils?

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:19 pm EST

The Barry Beck trade was a great trade. The guy was the Zdeno Chara or Chris Pronger of his day. Who knows how good he could've been if not for that persistent separated shoulder problem? What other team has this type of injury luck?

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:18 pm EST

MF - BTW, last night I watched the SEINFELD epsiode called "The Bris" with the mohel and pig man...Man, it was hilarious..

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:16 pm EST

RABID - Beck was strong, good and tough..but just not all the time..and that's why I never grew to like him..The guy was a frankenstein beast but whether it was his injuries or his mental makeup, he just didn;t seem to relish the physical part of the game and was only occasionally the physical prseence he could and should have been..That's how I saw him back then,..Opponents were smart to leave him alone and disengaged

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:14 pm EST

Rabbit: would players with NMC & NTC be exposed to those expansion teams choosing them ??? How's your Crystal Balls? :-)

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:12 pm EST

RHet: doing the Math, if they went with 32 teams, each team plays every other team 2 X (62 games) they could play each team in their conference a 3rd game (15 games) and each team in their division a 4th game (7 games) for a total of an "84 Game season." & do not extend any more playoff openings, beyond the current 16 teams..... So are the runners up Seattle & Quebec? Phuck Vegas, phuck Harry Reid.... another team in the desert, ridiculous...

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:52 am EST

What sucks about expansion is theyre going to have a draft & we're gonna lose some people for nothing. But these franchises are worth so much nowadays, wouldnt be surprised if there are 50 some day, including a few overseas. Something to look forward to, 15-games trips starting in Minsk. Had to make the BECK deal. Liked Hickey but rest were stiffs of varying degrees. One of few times in my life we had a player NO ONE wanted to tangle with, made a big difference. And Bubba was excellent but got hurt. Kinda reminds me of Nash now that I think about it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:42 am EST

MF..... I'd settle for 32 teams total, 16 teams in each conference... or they could move one team from the East to the West and leave it at 30:)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 11:39 am EST

Hospo, Bob, Nick, Rabid - oh man - the nostalgia is awesome. I am pushing 40 years old. One of my first Ranger items as a kid was a Pat Hickey card with the shield logo Ferguson jerseys. (http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mYStofvp10v9js6CYvzo_8w.jpg) Ever since, I was a huge Hickey fan and had the same resentment at the Beck trade. Hickey would return wearing #24 and DeBlois and his mustache with what I call, the Guy Lafleur year.

DREW


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:53 am EST

get = jewish divorce

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:51 am EST

schpelczech/grandpa

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:49 am EST

cut the league down to 28 teams, 4 divisions of 7. allow each team to carry 22 players, this will more than absorb the players from the contracted teams and hopefully satisfies the NHLPA, and theoretically put a better product on the ice.. than take the cap space from the two folded franchises, and distribute it to the remaining 28 teams (approx 4.93 million) .... Let the attendance records dictate which 2 franchises to fold, and perhaps the same attendance records can dictate which one or two franchises to relocate... jmhon

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:47 am EST

First look at Kevin Hayes on the ice in Ranger gear.... http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/kevin-hayes/picture-kevin-hayes-and-others-on-the-ice/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:41 am EST

And who need a spell/grammar check when you have a MF! :)..Thanks my man

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 10:39 am EST

NICK!!! Thanks for bringing back the memories of 79! Pat Hickey was one of my favorites to (remember when him and Wayne Dillon were the next big thing?) and I could never warm up to or like BECK (similar to LINDROS)...........

Hospo


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:54 am EST

get=game

Ranger47


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:54 am EST

Nick: Thanks for the memories. I could not get tickets to that get, but got to see it in the Felt Forum (where a haze of pot floated across the screen). The place erupted along with the Garden when they won and the shot of the slumping POS Potvin was followed by a quick exit to Seventh Avenue which mimicked Times Square on New Years Eve. I still believe in my heart that had Nillson not gotten knocked out of the series we could have beaten Montreal that year.

Ranger47


Wed Aug 27 2014 9:51 am EST

Jeff Gorton says that the Rangers are trying to get John Moore signed and is “pretty sure” they will get a deal done. (USA Today, via the Score) Gorton says that Moore has been a “good fit” for the Rangers and the organization likes his upside. (USA Today, via the Score)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:57 am EST

Ola - I think you've got a selective memory of that year...I remember it as the beginning of the end...the start of a long descent into what ultimately became the 2003-2004 Rangers --one of, if not THE worst hockey team I've ever had the displeasure of watching in New York...while the 1998-99 team certainly had some fire power...GRAVES still had a bit in the tank...the Great One of course...SAVARD'S first season in the NHL...it's defense was just deplorable...I remember guys like NECKAR and NDUR getting regular shifts..Petr POPOVIC...Chris TAMER...ugh...that blue line was pretty much awful...aside from LEETCH and SCHNEIDER on a good day...even Ulf SAMUELSSON, who was just a beast before he came to the Rangers, looked slow and useless...And there was NOTHING in the farm system...it was basically stripped bare over five years starting in 1993...Then Smith, in a last-ditch effort to save his hide, orchestrated those deals to move up in the worst draft the NHL has seen in a quarter century...in fact, I'm trying to pinpoint a draft that was worse than 1999 and I'm coming up blank...that set the stage for Sather to come in and basically try to buy his way into success...ugh...I still shutter thinking back to the 1998 season...I don't know if there was a way to right the ship back then...but there were habits the franchise got in around that time that lead to many years of misery...the only moves the Rangers could have made to turn things around at that point would have been to keep Savard, Cloutier and Sundstrom and then hope they got something decent with their own picks.

tdchi


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:51 am EST

Per Hartford Whalers ‏@WhalerWatch..... The @NHL denies expansion report, including a second team in Toronto http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/08/27/second_nhl_team_could_be_on_its_way_to_toronto_report.html … via @torontostar

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:46 am EST

The draft talent can barely support 30 teams, but here comes expansion. An even more diluted NHL coming up.... Expansion in the NHL has become “when” and not “if” with Las Vegas being a “done deal.” (Province) There is no set second city, besides Las Vegas, for expansion but Seattle and Quebec being the leading contenders. (Province) Darren Dreger says that there is no “formal” plan for expansion but he wouldn’t be surprised if at “some point in the reasonably near future” the league does expand to 32 teams. He says that he thinks Vegas and Seattle are ahead of the other cities in regards to getting a team. (TSN 1050) There is a group in Quebec ready for a team and rink is being built to open in 2015. There is a group in Seattle that is also ready but there is no rink being built yet. (The Fourth Period)..... Per Howard Bloom @SportsBizNews..... NHL expansion – four teams added by 2017, Quebec City, Toronto, Seattle, and Las Vegas $1.4b in expansion fees

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:41 am EST

Oops. Anyway, I'm waiting for confirmation.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 8:39 am EST

Drew.... If my old man remembers correctly, Pat LaFontaine suffered a career ending concussion while with the Rangers. He had concussions before and even had a special-type helmet to prevent him from getting another one but it obviously didn't work. Great guy ....Rabid.... I said earlier yesterday that I don't consider Carp to be the most reliable of sources. Especially since HIS INFORMATION COME

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:47 am EST

Since I see Drew mention Fraser, again interesting to note, I can remember when Smith signed him as a free agent, Sather (then EDM GM) made a very pointed remark about it, something like 'oh goodness, millions for Scott Fraser, whats next?", and I always considered that his first salvo in angling for Smith's job. It was after that he made the more well-known crack about how if he had the Rangers bank, he'd win the Cup every year. Those two comments helped him earn his lifetime job and , @ $5m per (X 14 years) & stock options and all, probably around $100M .

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 27 2014 7:27 am EST

Wasn't LaFontaine 97-98? I thought when Neil Smith missed out on Joe Sakic, LaFontaine was plan B. This is all by my old man memory but wasn't it friendly fire by Mike Keane that essentially ended LaFontaine's career? I thought LaFontaine was going to score 50 plus at the beginning of that season. 98-99 was the Kovalev-Nedved trade and the Scott Fraser experiment (among other things). Neil also acquired a player Mike Knuble at a young age.

DREW


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:40 am EST

We beat Tampa 10-2 that year...

Ola


Wed Aug 27 2014 6:38 am EST

jnyr- I am too young for those years. For some really odd reason I got that feeling for the 98'-99' team. I remember that 6-6 game against Toronto where Savard scored 4 assists like it was yesterday. We won the cup, had a couple of decent years, than took a huge step backwards, but then that year we had Gretzky and LaFontain. Savard was coming up. Harvey came on board. Schneider wasn't half bad, played some really good hockey for Detroit long after that season. It was Manny Malhotra's first year, right? You know, that 98-99 team first of all isn't a mess with a ton of misplaced big name stars, its a team that should have moved in the right direction. Gretz, LaFa, Savard and Malhotra at center, Langdon, Harvey and Mike Knuble providing some size at wing, all young, Sundström starting to establish himself, some vets in Graves, Stevens and Tikkanen, Leetch, Beuke, Schneider on D, Richter. But LaFontain got hurt, Gretzky retired, Stevens did his thing and sucked in general, Tikk was done, Schneider was lost, Richter wasn't "modern", we didn't trap like everyone else, Slats came on board.

Ola


Wed Aug 27 2014 5:50 am EST

Thank You Nick......love to reminisce on the 79 Rangers. Fred Shero's first year as coach. Bringing up a young Don Maloney in March against Boston. Losing the opener to Philly then steamrolling them over the next 4. The headline of the NY Post was "Victory" in red.....with a smiling JD and a slumped Potvin against the boards. Greschner's game winner in game 6.......Hedberg as a checking winger with Tkaczuk and Vickers. That team was the first Ranger team that I can recall taking over the city......the police closed down 7th ave after beating the Islander.....what fun

jnyr


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:25 am EST

http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/report_nhl_team_in_vegas_is_a_done_deal/17141381?linksrc=story_sport_nhl_module_head_17141381

mf


Wed Aug 27 2014 12:13 am EST

I loved The Spoon and that '79 team. Man as I recall they worked and worked and almost pulled it off; May 18, 1979 (I think) when they eliminated Islanders was the best moment in decades and not surpassed until '94. Murdoch tied that game with a spin move in the circle, second period. That's the year Potvin crunched Ulf Nilsson, and seeing that prick slumped against the boards at the buzzer was schweeeet! I'm sure some other old-timers recall the scene. Then ... the next year ... they dealt off Pat Hickey and Mike McEwen, two of my faves, for that brillo-headed stiff Barry Freaking Beck. Ugh.

Nick


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:30 pm EST

sure / shore

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:32 pm EST

Rhet, Carp earlier said it sounds like Malone PTO is going to happen. Said he tried to confirm but couldn't. People are still all over, finishing up vacations and whatnot, it can be hard to get a comment, and if a contract isn't signed they won't say anything. But my guess is Rangers were first in line for Malone, as that story said they did extensive homework. I saw people like Eklund today saying Pittsburgh and Flyers were offering him tryouts too, but I'd suppose he'd want to steer clear of his old haunts there. And if its us or Philly, not a tough choice. Just to seque back to Murdoch for a sec, last I saw his old buddy Espo got him a gig when he was running Tampa Bay, first as a scout, then I remember Murdoch saying one of his jobs was to tutor the younger guys coming up on the perils of off-ice behavior. It was right around the time LeCavalier was drafted, but I'm wondering if Ryan Malone wasn't one of those guys LOL. And then I see people bashing Sather for giving a guy a second chance. Like I was saying, he was EDM GM and traded for Murdoch coming off a drug bust, and that was 36 years ago!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:05 pm EST

John Ferguson. What an idiot he was. Made the franchise a laughing stock by changing the uniforms of an original 6 teams to the Winnipeg Jets. Screwed Rod Gilbert replacing him with Lucien DeBlois. Hired the laughable Jean Guy Talbot and his stupid track suit behind the bench. Ugh. The memories are not positive.

Bob


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:05 pm EST

In regard to Ryan Malone, everyone is still reporting off that Trib article from 5 days ago and no one has confirmed the rumors they were hearing so I remain skeptical.... MF..... Supposedly, Quebec City is third. Don't count them out yet.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:03 pm EST

ah..good stuff on Donnie Murdoch aka SPOON......I know I read one book about one of his Rangers years..The boy shore loved to party..Loved to score.too....just not on the ice..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:59 pm EST

Seattle should get a team, but Las Vegas is a joke

Messier11


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:51 pm EST

Interesting to note, if Malone doesn't hook on with us he's going to play in the league somewhere this year, despite a coke bust 4 months ago. Times sure have changed.Don Murdoch, one of my all-time favs, was given a full season, 80-game ban back in 1978 when he was caught trying to go through customs with a few grams. His sentence was later reduced to 40 games, which he served. Nowadays, Ronnie Duguay gets a lot of play for having been a playboy back in the day, but Murdoch made the Rangers the year before Duguay and was a full-blown phenom in these parts at least, scored 5 goals in I think his 4th NHL game, set the Ranger rookie scoring record with 32, made the cover of the NY Times magazine and was just a full-fleged rockstar. Deadly shot, and just one of those guys with the knack for being in the right place, right time. He hurt his ankle but was really never the same after that bust & suspension, though he scored some big goals in 79 run to the finals. Nowadays they might've rehabbed him and got him back on track. This was a 1st round pick in his early-mid twenties, but then commissioner John Ziegler decided to take a stand and put the hammer down. Not many will remember, but a guy named Glen Sather traded for Murder, tried to revive him on a line with Gretzky, but it never took off. Funny thing there was I'd heard a story where Murdoch was supposed to be traded for a d-man named Colin Campbell. But somehow (it may or may not have been that boob John Ferguson finalizing the deal) the Ranger GM mistakenly agreed to accept tough guy Cam Connor in exchange for Murdoch instead. Heavens. Anyway, Murdoch was a guy with Hall of Fame ability, and I always thought it was a horrible thing in how it was handled, though he surely had no one to blame. Still, seeing a guy like Malone get away with 50 hrs community service and no nothing from the league at all that I've seen is......different.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:20 pm EST

Thought Quebec was a front runner for a franchise, what happened?

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:39 pm EST

NYR working on getting John Moore signed per Mike Brehm.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:03 pm EST

Per theScore..... Report: The New York Rangers have spoken with Ryan Malone about a potential tryout. http://thesco.re/1pEE1N0 pic.twitter.com/JceyZG2g5I

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:00 pm EST

Since the new CBA was signed, there's been plenty of talk about the NHL expanding to 32 teams. Allegedly, Las Vegas and Seattle are the front runners to get franchises.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:56 pm EST

What, you expect the kids to say how they really feel? They get taught how to handle interviews at a very young age. Chief among them is what cliche's to give at what moment. Do you think every guy really want's to give '110 percent?' I'm sure Hayes agent told him "be sure to play up the 'Original Six' angle."

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:53 pm EST

Just Jaded....

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

Youre not jaded Rhet. Its what AV said everytime he was asked.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:39 pm EST

Maybe I'm just jaded, but does anyone really think these kids today care about playing for an Original Six team or that they just use the line because it's expected of them(when signing with one)?

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:36 pm EST

A guy as in demand as Hayes would not come to a team unless he was given the impression that management thinks he's ready for the NHL, based on their scouting. Yeah, that's no guarantee....if he comes in and looks 1/2 step behind or overwhelmed or just simply outplayed by several others in camp, he'll start in the AHL...but, it makes sense that he would be told that he had a very good shot at making the team. That was his only leverage....that a lot of teams were interested and his condition was, "NHL." No one is gonna give him an iron-clad guarantee. But, in order to get him, they'd have to make a pitch....that he's got a good shot at the NHL sooner rather than later. Otherwise, why would he sign?

JFC31


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:05 pm EST

Seemed to me all along Hayes had the chance to join a great Original Six franchise and earn his way on to the team, or go to an open spot in fucking Nashville. Colorado is a nice young team, but once I heard he wanted to be near home and he was talking to Boyle I knew we had him. Haggerty is a Boston beat writer who doesntn even know Puliot wasn't on our 3rd line, because he, Brassard and Zuccarello were AT WORST our 2nd line. And that's just being deferential to Nash & Stephan in calling them a first unit. Most everyone acknowledges 2 1/2 men were out most consistent all year. The rest of what hew wrote was all maybes and possiblys, so that's some beantown jack off at his typewriter submitting that which he does not know.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 6:13 pm EST

tdchI - Maybe Hayes does make the Rangers..It' great if he' ready..great for him...great for the team .(if not for guys like MIller or Fast) ......IMWO, The Rangers aren't going to put a kid on the NHL ice who isn't ready.For the good of both him and the team.....I'm sure they talked about his long future with the Rangers but, as for the present, probably said something like "you show us in camp you're ready for the NHL, that's where you'll play, but if not, we want to do what is best for you ..and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it..." The kid sounds confident and cocky enough to not even consider not beig ready..We'll see...

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:53 pm EST

This is what the Bruins' beat writer Joe Haggery had to say on the subject: "It’s likely that the Bruins brass had a potential third-line role in mind for Hayes alongside Carl Soderberg, with the possibility he could have climbed up to the top line with Milan Lucic and David Krejci if his game developed quickly. Instead, he joins a Rangers team that’s coming off a Stanley Cup Finals appearance, and appears likely to replace Benoit Pouliot on the third line after his departure to Edmonton via free agency."

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:49 pm EST

As we had discussed here a few weeks back, I don't know if there is such a thing as a contracted stipulation in an entry level contract...but verbal assurances can go a long way...the two cases I mention specifically are WHEELER and SCHULTZ...both somewhat similar to HAYES...Wheels, I think, just didn't want to play in Phoenix...but there was no question when he was hunting for teams(the Rangers, I believe, were among them)...Wheels wasn't signing anywhere that he thought he'd have to shuttle to the AHL and sure enough, he ended up on second line, if memory serves me correct...with Schultz, it was pretty clear once the lockout was over, he wanted to be in the NHL...and when he signed with the Oilers, it was pretty clear he was going to be on Edmonton's blueline once the lockout ended....my point is simply this: If I'm shopping around for a job in a specific area and an employer there says they're interested..I'm not going to start making demands before I even have the job...but if I go to the interview and they say they want to transfer me to a satellite location and that there's a good chance that I'll spend at least a year there...I'm going to continue looking...that's all I'm saying...The Rangers either told him he's got a good chance of making the team or something along those lines...enough that he feels he's going to be in the NY lineup sometime this year...The other thing I'll mention is that I'm not sure what good the AHL would do for him...quicker than the NCAA? Yeah...More physical? Yeah...but the disparity between the leagues is narrowing at a pretty rapid rate and some of these older NCAA guys are coming in ready...Hayes is 22. We'll see how much adjusting he needs...I don't suspect it's much.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:18 pm EST

Logic; Glen Sather ain't taking that shit, period. He wants a Stanley Cup before he goes to another dimension, which is drawing nearer & neaerer. He's not going to get himself boxed into a situation like that. TD, you think this was an actual clause, a stipulation in his contract? Cause that'd be unheard of far as I know for a novice. If, as you laid out, you think he was told come and give it your best shot, we'll I'm sure he was. But the final decision rests with the club. I'd bet any thing on that.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:17 pm EST

The other thing to note, all those UFA signings outside of HAYES are on one-way contracts...the Rangers will pay them that salary regardless of where they are. Bourque and Kampfer (and Hayes) are the only guys on 2-way contracts.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:10 pm EST

Again, HAYES wouldn't have signed in New York if he didn't think he was making the NHL...or stands a very high probability of getting the call...Simple reality, guys. Had he wanted/minded starting in the AHL, he would have signed with Chicago...He'd stand a pretty good chance of being on the team in 2015...and assurances don't have to be contractual...they can be quite simple as: Hey, we lost a skilled, big-bodied winger and we're looking for a new one to take his place --we think you fit the bill. And I suspect that's what he was told: Come to camp, bust ass and show us you belong and we'll take a nice look at you next to BRASSARD and ZUCC...I don't believe for one minute the kid signed here thinking he's going to spend the year in the AHL...Not for one second, actually. He could have picked from any number of other teams that would give him a chance in the NHL next year...remember, if he goes down to the minors, that means his salary goes from $900k with up to $2.85 million in bonuses down to $70,000. Now if you're a 22-year-old kid sniffing for a contract, would YOU sign with a team that says you're going to need time in the AHL? C'mon guys. Use logic.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 5:03 pm EST

TD... Is it blasphemy to say I want a more reputable source than Carp? :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:57 pm EST

Rangers Report @rangersreport Haven't been able to confirm yet that Ryan Malone will be in Rangers camp on a tryout, but sounds like it's happening.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:56 pm EST

No way in wide world Kevin Hayes got any type of "assurance" he'd be on the team. More like 'sign & do as your told', or go sign in Colorado, because we already know you want to play close to home. You think Glen Sather & AV are going to let a kid fresh out of college dictate their roster decisions? THIS year?Not happening. Story in Sports Illustrated surmises Hayes is looking at next year when MSL is gone as when he can settle in. Remember, Gorton said he's "near" ready, not ready. And Jaffe tweeted a blurb presumably from someone in the know saying he "definitely" needed AHL time. Hayes aint dictating shit.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:53 pm EST

TDCHI - I have read in more than a few places that HAYES isn't ready for the NHL, and I could find that realistic...Of course he signed to play in the NHL but, he's gettijng the money either way, and it will be camp that shows whether he is ready or, more than likely, that he needs more time and a few months won't hurt..I don't think Stempniak and Lombardi or Glass stand a ghost of a chance of going down to Hartford and will be key players for the Rangers all year....Mueller, iMWO, isn't even a consideration unless injuries pile up and will be a leader down in Hartford

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 4:42 pm EST

From what I've seen, HAYES is NHL-ready...and from his reasons for NOT wanting to sign with Chicago, I have to assume the Rangers either agree with me and said as much to him, or have told him that there's a good likelihood he'll be in the show to start the season...Mind you, the whole purpose of him going UFA was to land a spot in the NHL...he could have done that easily with the Preds...and most likely, with the Avs --the two rumored runners up...I agree the math with the Rangers doesn't really work out in his favor...but if he's really 6'5 and 225 pounds, that's a guy who will have a big advantage heading to camp over a lot of the competition...only way I see Hayes going down is if he really tanks camp...and seeing as though he's already going to have TC under his belt, I just don't see that happening...the kid has a solid two-way game. He's no beast and I think KREIDER is probably the more physical of the two, I think he's ready to contribute now...the big questions I have now are 1. what happens if MILLER is also ready; and 2. which one of the UFA signings takes a seat/demotion to Hartford....as it stands now, MUELLER factors into being down there on a one way...gotta be STEMPNIAK or LOMBARDI.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 2:42 pm EST

Re: Ryan Malone: "IF" in fact he's getting his head & body in condition to compete, I'd like to hear MSL's inside scoop on Malone. MSL could be the key to Malone choosing NY over other interested teams...

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 2:28 pm EST

Well Rabbit, you might have some crystal balls.... ;-)

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:53 pm EST

Ooops...sorry...

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:52 pm EST

RABID - I think you give some of the kids too much of a chance but even if you are correct, that is still not the only competition..Guys (especially vets) want to play as high up the food chain as possible,..The way I see it, there are two possible opening on the 3nd line and one on the 4th with.Guys like Malone (if he shows up), Stemp, and Lombardi not only fighting the kids but also will be figthing each other ..Should force all to bring their best to Camp..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:50 pm EST

Rabid-I doubt Hayes would have signed here without some guarantees he would play at the NHL level-he was approached by some 5-6 teams-maybe more-all with rookie salary cap

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:46 pm EST

Ryan Johansen is on the verge of becoming a top ten player in the entire league IMO. Watching him play against the Penguins in last year's opening PO round was a revelation for me. I knew this kid was good and knew when I first saw him (playing on Canada's WJC) he was a lock to make the NHL, but wow, has he ever blossomed. He was, arguably, the best player on the ice for both teams and without a doubt, was like an island when it came to skill compared to the BJ mates he was playing with (even on the PP). The moves and passes he made, not to mention the anticipation of where the play was heading was just outstanding. The BJs would be fools to play hardball with him - he's easily their most skilled player and perhaps their ONLY skilled player (reserving judgement on the BJ's apparent prized youth at this point). Oh how I wish he was a Ranger but that's not gonna happen, at least not until he's like 28 years old! BTW, another kid taken very high in the draft (4th overall).

RF4L


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:15 pm EST

MF, how come In sense a Johansen for Nash trade proposal in my future? LOL. Hospo, I really have no idea how AV approaches it, was thinking aloud. He's a very methodical guy so that'd be my guess, and maybe the kids who aren't great early don't get as much of a look later, and its a progression. They will need to pare down pretty quick and if competitions heat up, think there's only about 6 preseason games. So I'm just guessing they'll have a framework on how to go about it.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:07 pm EST

RABID - I think you give some of the kids too much of a chance but even if you are correct, that is still not the only competition..Guys (especially vets) want to play as high up the food chain as possible,..The way I see it, there are two possible opening on the 3nd line and one on the 4th with.Guys like Malone (if he shows up), Stemp, and Lombardi not only fighting the kids but also will be figthing each other ..Should force all to bring their best to Camp..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 1:01 pm EST

Columbus' Ryan Johansen could be a holdout: http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/26/will-johansen-be-the-latest-overhardt-holdout/

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:55 pm EST

Story at 11;23 am Mess, that's all there is so far, nothing official. I did get a bunch of tweets last nigh the TC try out contract was extended to Malone, but that's unsubstantiated until .....it's substantiated LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:53 pm EST

One thing I think I see developing which is almost ideal; These camp competitions for open spots pit a vet vs a rookie almost tit-for-tat. Bearing in mind many of these guys are real versatile, but if you look at guys in what should be their STRONGEST positions, you could have Miller vs Malone for (Puliot's) LW, Lombardi vs Lindberg for 3C, Haggerty vs Stempniak RW {Dorsett), then you've got guys like Hayes that need reps, 2nd tier hopefuls (Kristo, Bourque, Fast, Hrivic). Just figuring AV needs to organize it somehow, its a lot of players! And I'm sure if someone is a clear-cut job winner, he'll make the team regardless of an exact position (Stempniak for instance). Will be interesting. Almost for sure someone we think will be real good will suck or get banged up and maybe miss a chance; same time, there's almost always a surprise. I might take Haggerty as a Rudy candidate. Really like how that kid shoots the puck.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:46 pm EST

Who's saying Malone has been offered a PTO, or anything else? I don't see it.

Messier11


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:34 pm EST

"that Dolan" ......

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 12:34 pm EST

I doubt very much is Dolan can name 1/2 the starters on the NY Rangers, let alone their strengths and or weaknesses.. Ditto for the Knicks...

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:43 am EST

TDCHI - Not sure I agree with you about Glass....GLass is an AV player and he will be making the calls on game night...Glass is not a goon..He can fight but.he's a banger that can also play a litttle D/PK and block some shots. and provides energy and a little protection (the only protection in the lineup)..and AV tended to use him every night....I think the same will happen in NY

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:38 am EST

Actually, the Rangers have a long and very well documented history of signing pugilists to multi-year contracts, letting them skate for a handful of games and then burying them in Hartford...Not since ORR have they had a goon they signed lace up regularly...The grabbed BRASHEAR, who stuck around for one season of a 2-year contract and was then bought out...then there was RUPP, who got the same contract only for three years...only to be traded a few weeks into his second season...Then there was BOOGAARD, rest in peace, who, had his substance abuse not taken over, probably was headed down a similar path as Brashear...just couldn't play the game Torts wanted from him...and last but not least, ASHAM, who signed a two-year contract ad lasted a total of 43 games...10 of which were desperation games during the playoffs...before getting buried in Hartford and riding out his playing days on an AHL charter bus...Not saying GLASS has a similar future ahead of him, but I will note that he is a cog that doesn't fit AV's game plan...especially if he wants fourth line to be speedsters like the rest of the lineup...I think Glass will find himself in the lineup far more sparingly than any of us suspect right now unless he clicks with whoever is on his line and they start putting up numbers...Glass to me sounds like Dolan looking through the lineup and asking "where's the goon?" and AV grudgingly telling Sather if he's going to have a knuckle-dragger, go for the guy he knows best.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:28 am EST

Had been wondering for weeks who the Rangers would surprise us with a PTO for camp..Well, I guess I got my answer in MALONE....What's not to like ? Nothing to lose and, if he has his shit and game together. he adds so much more depth and flexibility to an already deeper and more flexible Ranger roster...He can slide anywhere from 3rd line to 4th line to Black Ace..or be dumped without a moment's hesitation..............Still, to me it looks like SATHER is covering all the bases, crating depth with Stemp, LOmbardin and Malone when there was none before.........The Youth lovers may be a bit peeved becasue, to me, it looks like the only one that has a SLIGHT chance of making the team is JT MILLER and tha;t only if he has HIS SHIT together....But the beauty is that if the kids don't make , they ill be getting ready in Hartford and when the injuries and/or slumps start, guys like Miller, Hayes, Fast and Linberg can step in......or there is plenty of depth to make a trade at the deadline..I love what Sather has except for a little quuibble on toughness ...I still see the roster as something like Nash-Step-Kid K (for now); MZA-Brassard-St.Louis (for now)....Hageline-Lombardi -Stemp/Malone/Miller and Glass-Moore-Stemp/Malone/MIller..we shall see..

Hospo


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:25 am EST

Tortorella............. omg! :-)

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:23 am EST

RANGERS DOING LOTS OF HOMEWORK ON MALONE Sources close to Ryan Malone say the former Penguins and Lightning winger getting busted for a DUI and cocaine possession in April might have ended up being the best thing for him. "It was a wake up call for him," a source close to Malone said. Malone is said to be in excellent shape, training in Minnesota right now, and is determined not to end his career by being remembered for his off-ice issues, those close to him say. Lightning officials for one believe Malone's decline in play over the last two years had more to do than just his body breaking down. Malone while nicknamed "King of the Southside" when he played in Pittsburgh, is said to have been in a real bad way (off the ice) the last couple years and his lack of commitment off the ice only got worse when his wife Abby filed for divorce in 2012. Things obviously hit rock bottom for him this past April. Was it really a wake up call? No one truly knows but whoever brings Malone in on a tryout invite or two-way contract is likely to get a very motivated player I hear. As expected for a player who has been on the decline and was arrested for a DUI/cocaine possession (cocaine charge is expected to be thrown out) during the NHL season, teams have not been blowing up Malone's agent's phone. That said a few are considering him. At the recommendation of Rick Kehoe, one team that has done extensive homework on Malone is the New York Rangers, Inside Pittsburgh Sports has learned. They have spoken to Malone about a training camp invite and a possible two-way contract. However, not clear if the Kevin Hayes signing limits Malone's chances of joining New York.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:06 am EST

Malone would also continue sather's love affair with old TB Lightning; Ive lost track of how many have been here already; Richards, St. Louis, Boyle, Fedotenko...pretty sure there's more. Flip side, they've got our former captain, Boyle, and Stralman.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 11:06 am EST

I'm stoked about the Malone invitation to camp, and if he needs a bit more time in addition to pre-season to get into better shape, (physically & or mentally) 10 or so games in Hartford is not an insult.... A healthy Malone can be penciled onto any of the top three LW's, and voila, "Line Combo Bingo" away.... For starters, he may afford Nash the physicality to play a bit more relaxed........AON: The competition for spots is going to be awesome this pre-season...... AS P/Y pointed out, we could see 1 or 2 players rotated in & out of the lineup as the schedule & naturally injuries dictate.... Who knew a little drugs & alcohol could be so exciting? :-)

mf


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:40 am EST

Puck.... Excellant points. Sather also always seems to have a love-hate thing with this type of signing. It very rarely works out. Mike Rupp was probably the biggest success story of all of the signings and he only played parts of 2 seasons with the team(68 games). it also make you wonder why Sather continues to do it ....BOB....Some excellent hockey players were never drafted(St. Louis, D. Boyle, Girardi, etc.). At least with un-drafted Free Agents, we get an idea of how good they could be instead of just guessing at their talent level when they're 18-19. Maybe it's a little bit less of a crap shoot :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:23 am EST

I don't think Hayes makes the team, barring a bustout camp. Didnt see it mentioned but apparently he suffered a real severe leg injury as a junior, blew out all the veins, etc. I didn't see where he had ACl/MCL damage, but Hayes said after that he realized he couldn't dangle as much and needed to play a power forward's game. He said he & Kreider both think the game great, but he was honest enough to say no one skates like Kreider. But I don't think - best case scenario - they see Malone affecting Glass' 4th line spot. In his better days Malone played top 6, played with St Louis, LeCavalier, etc. And its Puliot's spot we still need to fill (though Id fill it with Kreider and juggle the rest of my lineup).

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:21 am EST

Anthony Duclair's 8 pts in 3 GP (3-5-8) are already a career preseason high, and he ranks 2nd in QMJHL for scoring

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 10:13 am EST

Rabid-it's a numbers game. I imagine Glass as the 4th line fighter will be dressing for Philly & Boston types and sitting against the finesse teams.We have a habit of underultilizing tough guys-and Tanner Glass ain't gonna score 20 goals or 40 pts. Tanner Glass was signed before Hayes, and if we bring Malone in and he makes the team in camp (big if)-the numbers don't get better for him

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:49 am EST

World's worst Ranger site Puck you. Logic should tell them the Rangers didn't sign Glass for 3 years so they could force him out of the lineup - before he ever laced up his skates. Sheesh. Those BSB guys do nothing but regurgitate actual reports, and ramble their crapola from their mothers' basements, because they report nothing themselves, then they sit around in a little circle jerk and make jokes to one another in between debates about Corsi & Fenwick numbers. They tried a newsletter of the same quality I wouldn't let my dog piss on.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:33 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/26/6069017/are-the-rangers-forcing-tanner-glass-out-of-the-lineup

puckyou


Tue Aug 26 2014 9:09 am EST

Ryan MALONE would be great addition to this team...not sure where he fits into this lineup, but he's definitely a type of player they don't have in the lineup right now...and anytime a team can get bigger up front, I'm all for it...I've wanted Malone on the Rangers since watching him in the cup finals 2007-08...dude was a beast...Now naturally, that was seven years ago and he's a different player now...but if there's a chance the Rangers can rekindle any of this guy's former glory, he'd be an asset and a half...Mean customer too.

tdchi


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:14 am EST

Malone's arrest was said to have been 'a wake up call' and hes said to be in excellent shape.We'll see. Could help notice in googling Malone apparently told cops he was 'baffled' how blow made its way into his back pocket LOL...and in Pittsburgh he was known as "The King of the Southside" HAHA... Oh boy....LOL..Im ine who thought AVs bunch was too vanilla anyway. They can use a few swashbuckling outlaws LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 8:06 am EST

Malone has been skating at the Octagon hockey camp and looked good per the report. NYR did extensive homework & apparently feel comfortable enough to offer a tryout or two way deal. Ill guess if he's healthy he probably looks pretty good, but agree Ola, last time I saw him he looked like he was wrapped like a mummy and couldnt move.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 26 2014 7:49 am EST

With Malone, I think it all comes down to what kind of shape he is in. The last Malone I saw in the NHL didn't seem to be in all that good shape at all, and a player like him will never do well if that is the case.

Ola


Tue Aug 26 2014 6:02 am EST

Sather is being very smart and taking a page out of the devils playbook from the 90s interchangeable players that fit the system. Lose or move a player plug another one in without missing a beat smart and the way to build your team.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 11:23 pm EST

RHET--If any of these guts pans out, I will agree with you. With most of them, plenty of other teams passed so we'll see if the Rangers are smarter than everyone else.I hope they are.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 11:00 pm EST

McCarthy

Messier11


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:54 pm EST

A lot has been made about the picks we've surrendered the last couple of years, but not enough of a deal has been made about how good of a job we've done in replacing those picks. Those players include: Kevin Hayes, Ryan Haggerty, Conor Allen, Matt Bodie, Tommy Hughes, Petr Zamorsky and Cam Talbot (among others). Talbot was a home run and Hayes, Allen and Haggerty all seem to be solid first round picks. Not that they'll all work out, but solid picks none-the-less.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:10 pm EST

IMO, The Rangers don't have real depth unless two of the kids make the team. Even then, we'd still have to see if they pan out. We're looking at a few month's before we can trade from 'depth.' If both Miller and Hayes make this team, it has the potential to be very, very good. There is only upside to bringing Malone to camp. Sather loves his reclamation projects and he'll only get a spot if he earns it; otherwise, he goes away. Win-win. In regard to Thornton, I just don't see how we fit him on the team THIS season. We'd just have to give up too much depth to make the salary work. Also, Jason Spezza, David Krejci and Brad Richards are free agents in the offseason :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:02 pm EST

Malone's problem has been staying healthy. And apparently cocaine, DUIs, divorce and what ever else. He's been a mess so Sather takes a shot, maybe you catch a guy down on his luck and show some faith and he repays you. Maybe not. But I think its pretty clear at this point they're just trying to bring in as many decent hockey players as they can, and they'll let AV sort it out. They've got guys who've been in the league (Stemp), out of the league (Lombardi), prospects (Hayes), free agents, and some targeted reclamation projects like Malone. Plus all the kids who may/may not cut it. I think its EXACTLY what they should be doing. And I'm glad they're (apparently) taking this waiver on a guy with size & edge. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 8:42 pm EST

Malone is Clowe II, minus all those silly draft picks....

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 7:10 pm EST

RR: Yes - But clearly NO ONE commands the respect that Pyatt does!!! Stay thirsty, my friend... :)

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:50 pm EST

Malone is a 6-time 20 goal scorer. Was nearly a 50-pt player as recently as two years ago, had 48. He's 6-4/225 and a hundred times nastier than Taylor Pyatt ever was. They say he's determined not too have the arrest thing be the last thing he's remembered for, and who knows, if he can get back close to where he was, he's not that far removed from Beniot Puliot. So I can't imagine on a tryout or two-way deal how its problematic.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 5:17 pm EST

well SOMEONE needs to fill in for Pyatt

Messier11


Mon Aug 25 2014 5:13 pm EST

With all of these acquisitions, some of which seem redundant, and all the scuttlebutt about guys like Malone, it seems like maybe Sather is thinking about stockpiling the proverbial "interchangeable flock of forwards" so that no matter who he has to trade, he's got a serviceable replacement. I can't imagine all of these guys like Hayes & Haggerty think they're coming here to be in the AHL at 24 years old....can't imagine guys like Lombardi & Stempniak came here for anything other than to be on the starting roster. There are too many players and not enough positions available....I can't imagine that this is not being done purposefully in anticipation of a big trade or two.

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 4:19 pm EST

Didn't Ryan Malone turn into Kevin Stevens minus the hookers? He wasn't playing in Tampa for most of the year because he was beaten out by younger players. Why exactly do the Rangers need him now? Truly a question.........I just don't see the fit. The guy was on the Lightning because he was to be a veteran leader, then he blew up.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 4:08 pm EST

On the flip side Bob, hes not giving up anything for soon-to-be 35 Ryan Malone ;)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:59 pm EST

JFC---I don't disagree, but there are clearly issues with the guy in the locker room and Sather was fleeced for 2 #1 picks and Ryan Callahan for a guy that would go nowhere except the Rangers. Prior, he was fleeced by Doug Wilson for Ryane Clowe. I fear what Sather may give up for 35 yo who, if his skills have not begun to decline they will begin to shortly. Would he be the best center in the organization? Yes. But for how long?

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:53 pm EST

Malone is actually just what they need, albeit from his 27-yr old form. 34 now, but I'm all for giving guys a look. People will berate it Im sure, but its flat-out hard to find that combo in players. They tried to find Sather for a comment, but hes out getting dinner, at Family Dollar.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:40 pm EST

Malone-if clean and healthy (looks like he's been banged up last few years and was bought out b4 the DUI/coke thing) was a good winger-but it seems like we have plenty of depth-unless Slats wants more bodies.

puckyou


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:29 pm EST

Always liked Malone. Thought they might pick him up last year but his contract was fat. Supposedly did extensive homework on him and he's in excellent shape. Camp tryout or maybe two-way deal. Big mean forward that can score when healthy.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:16 pm EST

Rangers have spoken with Ryan Malone-http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/buzz-the-rangers-have-spoken-with-ryan-malone/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Mon Aug 25 2014 3:03 pm EST

Gotta say, the lineup LOOKS much more formidable with JT, but that too is meaningless. Its how they play together, what their top level is, and when they play to it. Still, looks more like a very deep contending team, if they can do it for Miller ++. Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, Hagelin-Thorton-Nash, Stempniak-Stepan-St Louis, Glass-Moore-Lombardi.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:40 pm EST

RF: The "A" stands for Anthony. :-)

mf


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:25 pm EST

E: Disagree on what it would cost because 1) Spezza is younger (by like 7 years) and 2) Spezza didn't cost nearly that. The negative about Spezza is unless he resigns, he's a rental player for the Stars.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:14 pm EST

Trash talk between Thorntons brother/agent and SJ

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:13 pm EST

Bob -- when a guy gets striped of his "C" and reads about it in the papers, there's a big problem there. Plus, there was some ready talk between Thorntons brother/agent and SJ management. It seems to be a case of, "where there's smoke, there's fire."

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:10 pm EST

And he was a +20...8 better than our best (Stepan). He can obviously play well with and without the puck.

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:05 pm EST

Joe Thornton had more ASSISTS than anyone on our team had POINTS! C'mon! Loser? That's it? That's why we shouldn't get him? More assists than anyone on our team had points and he's suddenly going to turn into crap during the off-season? Is that how NHL coaches & execs evaluate whether to get a guy? ..."...he's a loser, let's not get him." Can we be a bit more objective in what a 65-assist center could do for our team? No chance he might make players around him better and more productive? Nash maybe? Kreider?

JFC31


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:05 pm EST

A couple of fly bys... 1. In what world is San Jose thin on the blue line? 2. Thornton has not been asked, nor has he asked to be traded. In other words, he isn't gonna be traded unless something else happens to force that. The same cannot be said about Pat Marleau who is a good candidate to be moved. 3. In what world do we pin the failure of the Sharks in the post season on Thornton? Somewhere other then San Jose that's where. He has played at about a PPG pace in the post season. Outside of this seasons almost across the board fizzle Thornton has NEVER been the issue in SJ post season woes. Thornton doesn't stop pucks. Thornton doesn't make his defense come unglued. Thornton doesn't cause injuries at key times. And most importantly, Thornton does not cause Marleau to completely evaporate in the post season. I'm not really sure where some of this stuff comes from. Thornton is well on his way to being a HOF player. IF the New York Rangers wanted to trade for him, start at the Spezza trade and then turn up the volume. Thornton is better player then Spezza is in all 3-zones and is equally adept at playing a checking forward role as well as an offensive role. So take Stepan, JT Miller, Danny Kristo, and 2-2nds, or a 1 and work play around from there. In other words, prepare to get fleeced. Now, take Stepan out of the equation because they already have Couture and Hertl (both of which are much better options ) are stacked and add a winger who is cap friendly and is a prototypical San Jose player. Oh!!! We have one. Chris Krieder... Wanna trade him? Didn't think so... Neither do I. So that kills the Thornton ideas. Just some musing... Any other ideas because that one makes zero sense right now unless the cap/asset landscape radically changes.

E


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:03 pm EST

For me, Duclair at this point is as close to an untouchable prospect as the Rangers have (next to Hayes of courses).

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:52 pm EST

I would ask for Duclair LOL. Think they'll only get one A prospect, ready or not. But already, we've got guys getting backed up, B prospects & such. Its great to have depth but at some point you have to do something with these guys too, they're entitled to a shot somewhere if they perform well. Little Bourque busted out for 21 goals last year, is a real good PKer and team guy, and we went out & signed Stemp, Lombardi, Glass, Haggerty and now Hayes in addition to the guys he was already competing against. So some housecleaning may be in order too.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:51 pm EST

Speaking of Duclair, he's wearing an A for his junior team (Quebec) and in 2 pre-season games so far he's put up 5 assists and is a +5. Nice start...

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:44 pm EST

Although JT Miller is more NHL ready-I would imagine any GM eyeing NYR prospects would ask for Duclair

puckyou


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:36 pm EST

The one thing I do know is SJ needs help on the blue line, they're real thin there and in the minors ask well, though I think they drafted a few, will have to check. And in the last few years we must've signed 6-8 UFA dmen, the Donnay types, etc. People can look to shit on them as c-level guys, but I haven't seen them much except Traverse last year and when we got a sneak peak of Allen, plus what I saw at Htfd, but if we saw something we liked in them maybe another club will as well. And that's what a package would look like if you go NY the other recent deals; A-level NHL prospect , B-B+ prospect, and a pick or real project of a prospect. In SJs shoes, the cant hope for much more. And as someone said, 8 agree, I don't think they want him on their team anymore.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:30 pm EST

BTW, with Buch and Duclair coming probably next year I would assume that Sather and AV would be less worried about giving up prospects like Miller this year....

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:27 pm EST

To some degree the JT situation is similar to when we traded for Gaborik and Nash; we have some excess parts which allow us to give up a few "core", "near-core" or prospects in order to 1 better player we (I assume) would think would hake a difference in the next 2 years of Cup-runs at the expense of the future. Sather's track record would be to go for it all now (especially since he must be considering retiring at some point).

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:23 pm EST

Jumbo Shrimp is not a winner. Players want to come to NY because the club treats the players like gold and they can get retirement contracts from Sather. Add to that the absurd overpayment for Ryane Clowe and the absurd overpayment for St. Louis.....a guy who would ONLY be willing to be traded to the Rangers, and my fear of Sather doing damage to the franchise in any Jumbo Shrimp deal outweighs any possible upside I can see.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:17 pm EST

Even if the assumption is Thornton is fading (and with 76 pts its not much of a fade yet, if at all) all that would matter is what's left, and its still a pretty good hockey player, one better than anyone else we have at the position. That's why I'd look at things like his age & salary as issues but not critical issues. THE critical issue the team faces is can it get better? There I'd have to say JT would help, HOWEVER, 11 goals alarms me. We already have one center who won't shoot the puck enough. And if he weren't included in the deal, and I'd sure hope he wouldn't be, Thornton would mean a guy like Lindberg is boxed out for the foreseeable future. So that's another downside in my view. But is that (and the price you'd have to pay to get him) make it not worth it? Do we need some size in the middle? Uh, yeah. And I don't remember JT being very nice to play against in his younger Boston days. I dont get to see much of him now, nut Im guessing some edge is still there. Still, that whole equation is where I get stuck and why I'm neutral on the idea right now.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:14 pm EST

And, it could be that our being near the cap may actually help "force" SJ to eat some of the cost of JT since they know that we cannot afford him otherwise. So, if SJ truly wants to move him it's probably going to become "possible" for Sather to find a favorable trade. But, again, I'm not sold on him coming here.....

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 1:01 pm EST

Bob - exactly. I would have been interested in 2005-2006...possibly...but now...with THORNTON entering those crucial years where the likelihood of his career sunsetting is only getting greater? Yeah...if the Rangers want to recreate the 2003-2004 Rangers...just a bunch of overpaid guys in the twilight of their careers...Thornton would be outstanding in that capacity...Never liked the guy much and when he suffered a case a verbal diarrhea after the much better Sharks got thumped by the Rangers("the softest team in the NHL"), I remember thinking he was one of the biggest tools in the NHL...that thought was reaffirmed with his epic choke in the first round. Joe Thornton=EHLOSER.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 12:07 pm EST

Not excited about Jumbo Shrimp at all. Doug Wiison fleeced Sather last time.

Bob


Mon Aug 25 2014 11:17 am EST

RF, cap & age are two off-ice concerns, really. That won't deter Sather, or AV, who has said talent has no age. We're in the window here, the Cup window. I dont see those factors weighing as heavily as they otherwise might. As you said, Thornton could help Nash. I'm sure that's a primary consideration. TD, what if we're in the process of JT falling in our laps right now? That's what it seems like to me. It took 2 years for St Louis to land here if you read the background stuff after the trade. These deals, high profile guys, big salaries, NMCs, there's a p.r. element to it, they get complicated. And Sather will wait forever and a day sometimes. But if you remember about 3 years ago they asked him what he wanted, and he said a Vezina winner in net (Hank), a power forward (Nash, at one time) a big 100-pt center (JT,formerly) and a monster dman. Well its not perfect by any stretch but he could end up with 3 of the 4. The thing that tells me Thorton is 100% moving somewhere is him being stripped. I can't even remember it happening anywhere, but to ask a guy to be a core member of your team after that is nuts. That's an aggressive move by a club, and to do it to a guy with stature is almost unheard of. My guess is if it happens it could be a timeline similar to Messier, right at the end of camp, everyone has had a chance what they're getting. But it's not like that situation in SJ is going to improve. Don't think you can come back from that.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:48 am EST

TD: Re cap and age - that's why I'm on the fence (or 2 reasons why). Regarding the former, I'm assuming Sather would wrangle it so that the money going the other way coupled with what SJ would likely have to eat would make it a wash. If not, it cannot be done IMO. BTW, JT has 2 more years after this one left on his deal. If he's slowing down (and I don't know if he is or not), that should be a significant concern. Too bad Sather didn't let this team bottom out during one (or more) of the years from 04 to 08 - if so, there'd be no Nash, no MSL and no Thornton talk. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:46 am EST

And that's kind of the point, RF4L...Sather ISN'T chasing Thornton...you guys can't tell me all that schmoozing from JT'S end...daydreaming about being a Ranger...only to have nothing happen...The silence on the Rangers' end was telling: They don't see the guy in their plans for the rest of 2014...probably 2015 too...if the guy falls into their lap...maybe...but as we've all more or less agreed...that ain't going to happen anytime soon.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:41 am EST

RF4L - Not sure how you can look at JT's cap hit and his age and say he's a good fit for the Rangers. The only thing he's a good fit with is NASH...both are players with an immense amount of talent that have a nasty habit of vanishing when the going gets tough...JT's had two real notable disappearing acts...the first was right before he got booted from beantown and the second was right before he lost his captaincy. And the reality is JT ain't coming this way for a few marginal prospects from Hartford...he ain't coming for MILLER...if he comes this way, it's going to be for two roster players and probably the 2016 first rounder...if you can make that trade sound good for the Rangers, then you're one hell of a wordsmith.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:37 am EST

mf: My understanding of Thornton is that he's a consummate team player who rarely, if ever, rocks the boat and I cannot recall one incident where he caused a problem by running down his team or a team mate to the media. From what I can discern, the single biggest criticism that has dogged him and continues to do so, is that he's too nice. He doesn't play a physical game (but isn't afraid of the corners and in front of the net, mind you) and seems to fail to ramp things up when the pressure is on. It's apparently why the Bruins traded him so many years ago. Personally, I think he'd fit in nicely with the Rangers, but can he lead them to a cup? IMO, he's a piece of the puzzle, not THE piece. Fact of the matter is that the Rangers don't have such a piece (Lundqvist aside, but that's a different story). It's why Sather has been chasing the likes of Nash, MSL and now perhaps Thornton. He's never been able to draft and develop such a talent and it's part of the reason why the Rangers are now 20 years and counting for a cup (over 1/2 of those years under his watch, too).

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:36 am EST

Ranger47 - Remember they did the same thing to MARLEAU a few years back...but he's still on the team...My take on SJ is that you have a bunch of talented guys who can never go the extra mile to get to the cup finals, much less get the cup itself...I mean, how many years has SJ had in incredible team that has dominated the regular season only to basically wash up in the playoffs? It's remarkable, quite frankly...and to watch that team knuckle under to the Kings after going up 3-zip was just something terrific. All under JT's watch as captain. So yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't mind moving his dumbass...I just hope Sather has the sensibility to stay away from him...The Bruins called the ball on this guy early on...they knew nothing good was coming from building a team around him and they moved him for essentially a collection of pluggers...and despite my reaction at the time, JT hasn't done anything to suggest they got a bad deal back then.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:23 am EST

We all learned a lot from the MSL transaction & that includes Sather & the Ranger Brass. There's no rush on our part here, and there's really no rush for JT either. all he has to do is keep his mouth shut and collect a handsome check.... Another scenario is, he can not keep his mouth shut which may start to irritate tea mates and force San Jose's hand even more... If he goes the latter, do you want that kind of guy in your locker room? .... AON, do you import a $6.75million yearly salary in hopes he gets your $7.8million dollar man to the next level, or do you keep the status quo, do you listen for offers for your $7.8 million dollar man?

mf


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:23 am EST

TD: I think it's more you than anything/anyone else who's adamant that JT on the Rangers makes no sense. There are others who clearly disagree with you. Me, I'm in the middle. Unlike you, I don't think JT is worthless and do feel he'd immediately become the Rangers best center if he was acquired (and that's whether or not Stepan went the other way). However, I am concerned that he's not been able to lead the Sharks to any real PO success, despite a strong team and several attempts at doing so. That said, it's not all on him, either - it's a team game and one could argue Dan Boyle also failed there, yet I've seen no protest about him being a loser (and yeah, he does have a cup on his resume so it's tough to argue too strongly about that - but he was a loser in SJ). I also don't like his age, especially given MSL's age - that's 1/3 of your top 6 35 and older. Worrisome. I also don't like his contract - it places a certain pressure on the Rangers cap no matter who goes the other way, unless of course SJ eats say 1/3 of it. Finally, as surely you know, I am extremely reluctant to give up more youth - Hayes being signed was a coup, but the rest of how Sather has endeavored to make up for all those high picks gone recently is better than sitting on his hands, but could possibly fetch a net return of zero. This organization cannot afford to move away more picks and/or prized youth. That's why I said I'd be okay with a deal for JT if youth went the other way if a first rounder also came to NY. Bottom line, it's a tough call for me - not nearly as cut and dried as it is for you. Also, getting JT fits very well with what Sather has been doing recently, like it or not. And there's obviously a history between Sather and Wilson - not only the obvious (that stupid Clowe trade) but at least 1 minor league deal (Mashinter I believe). Finally, Sather, when it comes to deals, usually operates below the media radar (as he did with the MSL); no way would I interpret nothing out of NY as an indication there's no interest and/or talks aren't quietly happening.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:04 am EST

Sounds to me like SJ wants JT off their team (with as much cap relief as they can get in the process) and took away the C in order to get him to open up his NMC to other teams than the Rangers. Not to say I want hm, but I can see SJ taking back almost nothing in order to get rid of him and his contract. So, after Sather gets a good look at what he has coming out of training camp and preseason, and after SJ decides what the market is to get rid of JT, I could easily see a possible deal coming. Or, if this festers for the regular season, I could see JT coming over closer to the trade deadline (assuming we think it will help is to the Cup). I'd prefer to pass on him, though.

Ranger47


Mon Aug 25 2014 10:04 am EST

We'll see, TD. that situation is worsening though, no doubt. Should tip the leverage scales a bit more in our favor, and thusly Sather is smart to wait. And again, I think we need to evaluate or risk making a big boo-boo with some of our kids. This is a perfect time for them to show what they've got, and some of these guys can really be players. If its me I might deal JT or Allen or Kristo, but none of them lightly. The deal's gotta be right - for both sides.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:58 am EST

RF4L - I dunno. I think there was a lot of speculation that MSL was unhappy with YZERMAN after the Olympic snub, but the first I recall ever hearing he wanted out was from Boomer...The deal heated up right around the time Boomer started chattering...that was a great example of where there's smoke there's fire...But in this case, we got a lot of chatter and no movement...If the rumors were true back in June and the Rangers had interest in him, he'd be a Ranger by now...but the reality is, he doesn't make sense on so many different levels for the Rangers...and yet here we are chatting about him...RR - if there was(is) to be a deal for this hack, the only time I could see it happening would be at the deadline.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:50 am EST

If I recall correctly, nothing came out of the Rangers camp about them desiring MSL, too. Meanwhile, rumours about MSL wanting out of Tampa went on for weeks, if not months. Perhaps I'm wrong but seems to me the first time we heard the Rangers were interested is when Boomer E mentioned it on the radio.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:46 am EST

TD I was just logging off to do some actual work today, but you're a pisser. Yes, you're right in how its gone this off-season, but what if Sather is waiting them out?!! you know how patient that SOB is. Just cause he didn't jump and give up the farm in late June is meaningless. Doesn't mean he thinks Thornton is a worthless piece of dung, but I'll take a wild guess you do LOL. And that's fine too!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:42 am EST

RR: Not to beleaguer this any longer, but the last time the JT talk came up was shortly before the Rangers bought out RICHARDS...Like weeks away...rumor heated up that the Sharks were looking to go a different direction...one that didn't involve Jumbo Shrimp...There was a ton of chatter about how Thornton wasn't interested in leaving SJ and that one of the only teams he was interested in joining was the Rangers...so you have a team that wants to move a guy...guy has an NTC and starts saying the only place he wants to go is NY...and then nothing happens. Not a peep from MSG. Then they strip the guy of his C. I don't know how else to read that other than disinterest on the Rangers part...mind you, this was all done right around the same time as the Rangers had a bunch of cap space...They actually could have fit Jumbo Shrimp under the cap back then...and they didn't. Rangers correctly see JT for what he is, which is a hack who isn't half the player he once was and a loser who hasn't won squat in his career, despite being on some VERY talented teams.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:37 am EST

From what I saw of Thornton in the POs, which was a few games, he looked real good to me. Not much question he'd be our best center, but by how much IDK. Brass & Step are pretty darn good. He'd just be another puzzle piece IMO, but a biggie if he could help Nash. RF, if you look at the standard packages for these bigger names, its usually a 3 asset deal. Look what Kovalachuk brought back, and he was 7 years younger. I think a former first rounder like JT is a real nice return for them, Allen might be able to move right onto their D. Throw in a pick 2nd round or later is about as far as I'd go. That's two starters and a pick plus they're relieved of Thorton's contract, which is like $20m(minus the $ this year they'd have to pick up, guesstimate around 3m. We can't fit JT otherwise, even if we included Klein.) And JHS excites me, by not in that way!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:27 am EST

RR: Re boner - I assume not for you boy down on the Island, too. Right? ;^)

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:26 am EST

RR: I think it's a pretty bet to say JT Miller and Connor Allen won't be enough to fetch Jumbo Joe.

RF4L


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:26 am EST

Rangers didn't have a spot for Thornton last year. They do now if we're talking Richards' spot/vacancy, call it 1-2-3 or whatever you like. But far as I know there's zero published evidence the teams ever discussed a swap last season, so IDK where this, "the NYR told him to go scratch" idea comes from. Early in the off-season there's been some stories, but this saga isn't over by a long shot. I'll steer clear of the boner talk ha. But when I get one its certainly not for Joe Thornton LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 9:25 am EST

I dont get all this talk about Thornton. Huge contract & 35 yrs old to boot. You thought Richards lost a step over his time here just wait till we get our hands on Jumbo Joe!!! No way am I trading for that guy unless it's a Jagr from the Caps 2.0-type of deal.

PatrickDiv


Mon Aug 25 2014 8:55 am EST

Oh and not to douse anyone's JT boner with some ice water, re-read Rhet's post. That sums it up quite nicely: JT blew a few kisses at the Rangers and they told him to go scratch. Maybe at the deadline things will be different...but the fact that this loser isn't a Ranger says to me they're not interested and never were.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 8:51 am EST

York - So you slept right through where I said I wouldn't trade Arron Asham's rights for Thornton...Wouldn't trade any asset for this clown. I see that point was lost on you. No matter. And yes, Thornton is a loser.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 7:26 am EST

Connor Allen BTW is another guy on the cusp. Really liked the little we saw of him, and he may be ready to step in for somebody. hard to see him cracking our lineup unless someone is dealt. So he's another borderliner like JT, but if I had to I'd label him futures. Present & future. JT & Allen wouldn't get it done but its geting close. Thornton is 35 with a big contract & NMC, he'd have to come discounted. No way we're taking anybody major off the team for him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:53 am EST

JFC31: I agree that this is an important assessment camp and I think it will have a large influence on the teams direction for the near future .If I remember correctly (it gets harder every year) Messier was thirty when he came here and was a shell by the time he reached thirty-five. Thorton is up there and I think it is reasonable to believe his play will steadily decline, by how much, who knows. The point is what will it take to get him. York is correct in what SJ will want, If Sather thinks he has the replacements ready to step in in a year or two, say when JT and MSL are put out to pasture then he will push the deal. Throwing in another #1 pick will have the most long term ill effect.

gene_carr


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:51 am EST

Sorry. There's always Staal as in Eric

Messier11


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:46 am EST

York I dont even know I want Thorton lol. Id prefer a top flight wing. But what is JT Miller? Future prospect or proven NHLer? Ive said more than once I think hes likliest to go, and if I had to define him in a short sentence, he doesnt have as n NHL past, so hes a present-future guy. But Jt alone wouldnt get it done naturally. We'd have to move about $3m+ AND SJ eats 50%. So tough deal to make.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:27 am EST

Rabid you state all SJ will get is futures, then say they are rebuilding on the fly and want players for now. You contradict the reality of the demand and need against your want as a fan. Futures does not fill what SJ needs now they need at least one legit top 2 line player that is young not 3/4 line guys signed that they could have had for nothing. Would I love for your proposes deal to be reality? Yes, but it is not likely, much like clowe and msl sather will have to pay and if he thinks Joe is the difference between losing a cup finals and winning he will trade Stepan and prospects to do it.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:10 am EST

TD everyone is a loser till they win and this isn't golf one player doesn't make a losing team. Ray bourque was a loser till he went to Colorado? Win or not still one of the best ever, how about chelios, or hull? I can go on and on. Messier must have been a loser because the only time he could win a cup was when Lowe and Anderson played with him. I love how miller is now worth more than Joe one of the elite in the game you have no broken the barrier of delusional when it comes to miller.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 6:02 am EST

Rabid exactly it's unrealistic to think we will role a 1,2,3 punch of centers like that no one does in this league. You can forget 1-3 Moore is one of the best fourth line centers in the league add in on wing Nash Kreider msl and zucc and this team is stacked beyond reality one of brass step go in a trade for Joe. SJ is going to want to replace Joe to an extent and prospects don't do it Stepan does. I know we'd love to have a stacked roster but reality is sj is not going to roll over to trade Joe. They will want a roster player top two lines a prospect and a pick.

York18


Mon Aug 25 2014 2:18 am EST

Rhet0ric summed it up perfectly: THORNTON already threw himself at the Rangers a la St. Louis and they rebuffed his advances. He makes no sense on so many different levels, the least of which is he's a loser. If JT costs a couple of guys like Fast and Kristo? Great. Go for it. An actual roster player? Nope. Not for this clown. Certainly not for Step, and certainly not for Miller.

tdchi


Mon Aug 25 2014 12:28 am EST

and Girardi

mf


Mon Aug 25 2014 12:06 am EST

and theres always Staal

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 10:50 pm EST

Sather is not trading Derek Stephan for Joe Thorton, it'd defeat the whole purpose. The idea would be to add Thorton to Step & Brassard, make a 1-2-3 few if any teams could match. San Jose is in a big bind with Jumbo Joe, 11 goals, a $6m+ salary, and a full NMC he has every intention of exorcising. And he is getting traded, no doubt, though whether its here or not remains to be seen. But if Thorton lands here it'll be for FUTURES.Maybe, maybe as part of a package they get even a Stemniak or Lombardi, to help them short term, but even that's doubtful. They want to reshape on the fly, infuse new (young) blood. Its why in the last few years they've cut loose Clowe & Boyle, and I'm convinced the 3-yr deals Thorton & Marleau signed were sign & trade (the next year) deals. They were very reasonable against market prices (with virtually no haggling) for that reason, so Doug Wilson can move them. And if he holds out for an unrealistic demand, he can suck a nut. Marleau he might be able to move easier, but there's some definite bad blood brewing between Thortons camp and the SJ front office. JT said he talked to McClullenn that day and not a word about stripping his C was mentioned, then Jumbo found on from a reporter. Stay tuned on that one. But we're getting him at a discount with SJ picking up some big bucks or not at all.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 24 2014 10:14 pm EST

mf: Concur that you don't trade Stepan without thinking it through thoroughly.

RF4L


Sun Aug 24 2014 9:45 pm EST

There are currently two ways I can envision parting with STEPAN; 1) The Rangers engage him in contract negotiations and find they are a universe apart dollar-wise with no foreseeable agreement. 2) The return is so great that the NY Ranger Brass can't pass it up....

mf


Sun Aug 24 2014 8:11 pm EST

If Stepan is included in a trade for JT, then the Rangers need to ensure they get some sort of future asset in the deal. Stepan hasn't proved yet to be a true number one and he may never get there, but IMO he's a legitimate number 2 and at his young age, he may still evolve into a decent number 1. In other words, he's not someone you trade indiscriminately. If he's going the other way, something like a deal such as Stepan and a prospect (Fast/Lindberg/etc) for JT and a future first rounder is what I'd want to see (with SJ eating the difference in the cap hit).

RF4L


Sun Aug 24 2014 7:49 pm EST

gene -- Sather has created a good deal of depth on this team...possibly too much to make sense....unless a big trade is coming. Lombardi, Stempniak, Hayes, Haggerty, JT Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Kristo....I think Sather waits to see what he's got come September and then tries to pull the trigger to turn that depth into a big fish like Thornton. He may be covering himself by getting versatile, somewhat redundant players so no matter who needs to be traded,he's got a viable fill-in. But he'll only know that after he & AV see all these guys, how they've developed over the summer and what the UFA vets have to offer

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 4:43 pm EST

if JT will only accept a trade to NYR (a la MSL) I think SJ could be pressured into taking Brass and Hags.

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 4:41 pm EST

If SJ has not won a cup with big Joe why would we expect to given the depletion in our depth that would be required to get him? At a discount, take a chance. Pay top dollar, asset wise. No, No.

gene_carr


Sun Aug 24 2014 3:50 pm EST

York -- that's a trade that might make sense in the "win now" mode the Rangers are in. Thornton simply outscores Stepan by a fairly wide margin historically, but is 35 years old. JT Miller looks to be a 4th line winger on this squad for the near future. Very tempting trade indeed.

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 2:28 pm EST

JT comes in a trade Stepan is going the other way in a package which would include probably miller and someone else a player of his caliber doesn't come back for a couple of on the cusp prospects he will come for young NHL caliber players and a prospect

York18


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:54 pm EST

Brass partial NTC doesn't start until after this season

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:45 pm EST

Getting Joe Thornton is a long shot at best (he already tried to force a trade to the Rangers and it didn't go anywhere). To make his salary fit we'd have to trade the equivalent of Marc Staal and Carl Hagelin to the Sharks(not happening). Also, San Jose is doing the competitive rebuild thing so they obviously wont have any interest in a Nash(before anyone mentions it). I think they're looking to either take back less salary or more players equalling the approx. salary. IMO, if we really had wanted him, we would've sent Brassard plus to San Jose before we re-signed him to that long term deal and I just don't see us moving the guy right after we locked him up long-term. I think we're just as likely to re-sign Brad Richards in the offseason :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:38 pm EST

Sather does the ice bucket challenge while chomping on a cigar....classic! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1ojrlsP0M

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:38 pm EST

Mess11 --true....I think Sather has set himself up with lots of options. After seeing the Traverse City tourney and training camp, I can easily see a big trade or two that might make space available for JT

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:34 pm EST

Unless SJ willing to retain some salary, we have to move some serious salary to absorb JT

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:09 pm EST

Toothpick = to think. LOL! Damn spell correct!

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 1:08 pm EST

It seems like SJ is simply looking to dump Joe Thornton....and if that's the case and they are willing to trade him to us for a couple of prospects like Kristo or Lindberg or Fast....young players who seem to be NHL calibre but who really don't seem to have much chance of being difference-makers on the Rangers this year), the it's a no-brainer to get him IMO. Thornton is a top-end center who puts up points....he's a proven commodity, a proven point-getter. If he has chemistry with Nash, that's even better. This idea of him being a 'loser' is nonsense IMO....as if HE is the cause of SJ's failures. One of my favorite Yankees was Roy White....I started watching the Yankees in 1966 and they SUCKED....it was torture to hear my dad talk about how great HIS Yankees teams were and how MY Yankees were nothing but minor leaguers. So, Roy White toiled away and the Yankees sucked so bad for so many years it was pathetic. Was he a 'loser'? When the Yankees finally put together the proper mix of players (including Roy White) and they won 2 World Series, did Roy White magically become a 'winner' or was he never a 'loser' in the 1st place. Are we toothpick that if we get Joe Thornton that his 'loser' ways will infect the team and be the cause of us not winning? Whatever team gets the better player in a trade, wins the trade. Thornton for a couple of NHL-possible youngsters is a winning trade and a no-brainer IMO.

JFC31


Sun Aug 24 2014 12:29 pm EST

I don't think Thornton is a fantasy trade. Unless you start adding three other teams and other star players. SJ wants out of that contract, and Im sure he'd love to come to NYC. There would be real players going back the other way, however.//// We are "fine" up the middle, and we got pretty far last season while being fine up the middle. Have improved the D, and possibly even improved overall forward depth. Still lack a first-line C capable of first-line #s. It'd be a gamble to acquire one like Thornton at the expense of some of our overall forward depth (Hags, Miller likely).

Messier11


Sun Aug 24 2014 11:00 am EST

Puliot's spot is the key hole to be filled IMO. I maintain they'll be f-i-n-e up the middle, because 3/4 of last year's centers are back, and either Lombardi or Lindberg will be upgrades over Richards. Just my $0.2 there. And while I think they need a long evaluation on some of the new guys,and don't want any fantasy-type moves (like Thornton) we may not need, they might not get a chance to make a trade like that during the year, so you have to strike when the getting is good. Same time, I'd rather deal for a big scoring LW if we can. I don't think they need much more except for some toughness. But again, Sather could really look to load up

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 24 2014 9:41 am EST

You got to think about it this way: The Rangers had no assurances they were going to get HAYES until he signed on the dotted line...all the moves they made up until that point were part of a different design...now that they have him, they need to evaluate where he best fits into the plan...I'm sure some in the Rangers' organization see him as a center...certainly his 2-way game is good and if they can groom a 6'4, 220 pound kid to play the middle, that's to the advantage of the club...if that were the case, however, I would think he'd start in the AHL...I think plan one for him is to put him on wing and try him out in POULIOT'S spot...Frankly, they're similar players in size and skill...Pouliot is more aggressive, but I digress...The Rangers send kids to TC they haven't seen much of...and I'm sure some of the decisions about Hayes will come after they evaluate his play in the tourney...Guys like Kristo, Lindberg and Fast they already know about...there's no sense in sending them to TC, because they've been evaluated.

tdchi


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:44 pm EST

750 k actually but why should I care, That kid is an odd case, not sure what happened to his game but glad we passed. Wasnt sure we would a few weeks ago cause hes quick and we're all about the speed now.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:35 pm EST

Setoguchi /Calgary/ 700k

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 2:40 pm EST

We're in Atlantic City for the weekend, a one legged man goes by in a wheelchair and the first thing that comes to mind is YORK18... Crazy world we live in.. ;-)

mf


Sat Aug 23 2014 1:42 pm EST

Our new Assistant Coach is a fellow Newfoundlander...........Darryl Williams is from right here on the Rock. I coached him in Hockey and Ball hockey when he was in his twenties. I'll sum him up with a great comparison..........how about Adam Graves, both on and off the ice..............a perfect gentleman.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 11:10 am EST

Don't forget a week before they signed Hayes Clark let it slip that they see Kristo playing center and helping them with depth there. That one took me by surprise. Then Kevin Weeks says someone told him Hayes is a big center, when Carpiniello checks they say no, we see him strictly as a wing.all this talk of how Hayes is, in Gorton's words, close to NHL, butnhe's going to Traverse when guys like Lindberg arent (idk if AHL rules preclude or not) so maybe something is a afoot, IDK.It would appear they have some ideas about what they're doing in the middle both in Hartford & NY, but its not at all clear.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 10:35 am EST

Couple things...If HAYES didn't think there was a REALLY good shot of making the Rangers, he would have never signed here...The most I see coming for him in the AHL is a stint like HAGELIN spent with the Whale in 2011...The kid probably needs a little adjustment to the speed of professional hockey...whether that adjustment comes in camp or in Hartford remains to be seen...but at 22, pretty much it's WYSIWYG with Hayes...I see some writers mentioning how KRISTO and BOYLE needed time in the A before making the jump...well...in Kristo's case, it has everything to do with his ability to be knocked off the puck...the kid got away with being a lightweight in the NCAA...he can't do that as well in the grinding AHL...that's not a problem Hayes is going to have...and BOYLE? It was the opposite...Boyle was able to physically dominate in the NCAA...he did the same thing in the AHL...problem came for him with the jump in speed between the AHL and NHL...again...not a problem Hayes is going to experience, IMO...while he's not a speedster, he's quick and strong on his skates...I'm not seeing much about his game that isn't ready for the NHL...he skated on a VERY talented line in college and I suspect if he needs any polishing, it'll be minimal...I mentioned this a few weeks ago...the Rangers' TC roster is basically a group of grown men with a few talented teenagers sprinkled in...I have a feeling they're going to dominate the tourney...as for them amassing prospect...certainly, the future for some of these guys isn't with the Rangers...I kind of agree, Kristo's days as a Ranger are pretty limited unless he can really raise some eyebrows this fall...but a lot of these guys are in the wings for 2015...that's when the Rangers are again going to be faced with difficult decisions...One will be what to do with NASH...another will be whether to bring back MSL...I'm sure the hope is that some of these guys break out...especially KREIDER and STEPAN...and become the stars/leaders of this team so that an expensive guy like Nash CAN be showed the door...I don't, however, think this amassing of NCAA talent has anything to do with them angling to trade talent...it's a restocking of what they lost with the NASH, CLOWE and MSL deals, because everything they drafted in the past two drafts is basically two to three years away from arriving in Hartford, much less New York...I especially don't see them going after Jumbo Shrimp. Not unless SJ decides they want to eat a lot of salary and move him on the cheap.

tdchi


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:59 am EST

Again, I'm canning the JHS talk. It as a Rangers site, as I've reminded others when they go on runs about non-NYR charities and such. But Matt Simms is the best QB the Jets have, if we're talking about, you know, actually throwing the ball, something their last 2-3 QBs couldn't do. And IDK how I missed this, but did anyone see where Vick was attacked by a dog outside the stadium? Riotously funny, but IDK, it's a wasteland out near that stadium. And of all the people to get bit in an empty parking lot, its Vick, the guy who went to the clink for running a pit bull ring? Had to be some dog-lover lying in wait, and then, there he is, get him! LOL You can't make this stuff up sometimes LOL. Just attempting to change the subject...

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 7:24 am EST

TD, I think they might be lining up a TRADE, that's where I see similarities. Kristo & Haggerty are both RW scorers, RHSs. Miller & Hayes both bigger center/wimgs types. If youre getting ready to trade one or more of Miller/Kristo, these aren't bad UFA replacements in the system is what I meant. FWIW, Hayes is not ready according to Billy Jaffee, definitely needs AHL time. So why else bring him in when we have a glut of forwards on the cusp already? Sure, sign all the talent you can, but then the Rangers leak the kid is a 6-5 center, later corrected by Carp, why? Because they don't want to sound desperate in needing a big center man just as another big center linked to them (Thornton) is being stripped of his C in San Jose? Very odd to me. My guess is neither Hayes nor Ho are ready ready, but due to the Isles lame state I'd guess Ho has a better shot for this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 23 2014 12:51 am EST

DANNY KRISTO’S FUTURE WITH THE RANGERS IS IN DOUBT..... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/danny_kristos_future_with_the_rangers_is_in_doubt/17100458

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 23 2014 12:28 am EST

RR - The only real similarities I see in MILLER and HAYES and KRISTO and HAGGERTY is that they're all under contract with the Rangers...they're just very different players...especially Kristo and Haggerty...Kristo's a tiny guy. I sometimes wonder whether his listed weight was taken with his equipment on after a game...Haggerty has a lot more mass...and I already said my piece on the other two...all four are prospects of a different flavor. Sure, you can draw some similarities...But by in large, they're differences outweigh their similarities.

tdchi


Sat Aug 23 2014 12:24 am EST

See, I just don't get what the hype is on Ho-Sang. Good? Yeah, for the OHL.... good for the OHL and two dollars will buy you a lottery ticket and a dream...good for the OHL a star does not make...I watched the clips of this kid when he was being hyped during the draft and wasn't particularly impressed...in fact, a lot of his goals seemed amateurish....three-on-two goals...odd man rush opportunities that wouldn't come nearly as easy in the AHL much less the NHL...certainly he's tight with dishing out and handling the puck, but nothing that I'd say showcases an overt amount of talent...certainly not enough that I'd put the kid in a league with TAVARES, who was a kid I remember scoring goals that would make your jaw drop...Goals where he alone created a scoring chance out of thin air...Now I was a bit stunned when Ho had the audacity to compare himself to KANE and CROSBY...even more stunned when he said he'd outplay Tavares...and now that I see BOSSY'S name mentioned in the same sentence, I had to rewatch that clip video...again, I really don't see the hype over this kid...Just don't...Looks solid, looks quick...but also looks like he doesn't have the hands or speed of any of the aforementioned players...And he doesn't have the size, which makes him even more suspect IMO...Didn't even end up in the top-10 of anything in the OHL...and while I'd never hold that against an 17- or 18-year-old player...man...you look at what Tavares was doing as a 17-year-old in the OHL...or what Bossy was doing as a 16-year-old in the QMJHL...I just wonder how anyone can make these comparisons...not just RR...not just Ho-Sang himself...But anyone...Now when it comes to HAYES and this kid...there's just no comparing the two...they're two totally different players...different ages...different career paths...different styles...different everything...I'd take Hayes over Ho-Sang any day of the week and twice on Tuesday just 'cause he's FAR closer to a finished product than Ho-Sang...Hayes is NHL-ready. He WILL be in the league this season...He's got the size, he's got the maturity and he's got the polish. Ho, were I to give it a guess, is at least two years away from playing his first NHL game, if he every does make the NHL...and that's especially if it's with the Isles...that team absolutely SCREWED THE POOCH with Nino NIEDERRIETER, who, like Ho, was a hot-shot 17-year-old with one slick junior season under his belt...they rushed him to the show, they stunted his growth and they ultimately soured to him and vice versa until he was moved for CLUTTERBUCK of all players...you saw the Isles take a FAR different tact with Ryan STROME, who is another player I'd say is a lot more talented than Ho...but here we are now talking about Islanders prospects on a Rangers fan site...

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 10:22 pm EST

Hey, Id stopped talking about Ho-Sang but everyone else started, cause theyre intruigued. Id love to see him make Isles, but Im remembering their rookie scoring record is (or was) , Bossy's 53( I think) which was the NHL record and just sick that year. Hate the fishsticks but had to admire that kind of shooting.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 9:13 pm EST

Vic - no correlation between playing in TC and NHL considerations. Staal and Stepan both played TC and made the NHL that season. McDonagh and Hagelin also played TC, went to Hartford for a spell and then took regular roster positions in the NHL. I think Dubinsky did the same thing. Miller played TC and then made the team after the lockout. Most of the guys they invite are youngsters, so they typically are a couple years out. This years squad though has a bunch of college grads who are a lot further along in their development than 19-year-old guys straight out of juniors.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 9:10 pm EST

TD- right you are.

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 9:06 pm EST

Messier11 - Nieves and Fogarty are both in the NCAA and ineligible for TC... and St. Croix is in the tourney. My take on him is that he was a non-entity in Hartford. Saw him a couple times and really he didn't stand out. Not to say that won't change this year...as for McColgan and Spelling...unless something has changed dramatically, both are out of the system and longshots to ever make the NHL.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 5:15 pm EST

Friday laughs: Rich Clune and Sean Avery have been picking on Riddick Bowe for a couple weeks now. Here are his responses: https://twitter.com/riddickbowe

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 5:06 pm EST

You heard it here first: Ho-Sang, yet to play a single NHL game, joins the 400 club

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 4:39 pm EST

Gene_Carr, maybe. Or maybe he becomes a Ranger when he's 33, with 400 NHL goals under his belt - and like 80 of'em against us. Haha... We'll see. But I'd say this; if you wanted to compare late first rounders, a guy like Hayes (taken 24th) or Ho (28th), I'll go with the smaller, speedier, superior dynamic skill guy over a Hayes any day. Because of his size (which he doesn't use by nearly all accounts), guys like Hayes will have to prove they can't play, while the smaller player has to prove he can. Whatever, but I'm not as excited about Hayes when I see his college scoring totals almost doubled by Brian Boyle! We'll see what happens. YORK, no hiding from it, Nash's PO scoring prorates to a 10-goal pace, if you want to look at it by the (reg. season) norm we always say, a guy is a 20-goal scorer, etc. That's not bad but truly ALARMING for a guy who's supposed to find the net 30 times a year minimum.its why MF has been trading him for two months (albeit involving 3 other superstars and 4 other teams LOL)! Its why I think he needs to alter his game; he's also at that age where you lose a step (though I was encouraged the last few games, Gms 4&5, he was flying). But if it happens again this year they'll have to trade him, swallow half that cap hit; thatll be the weight, a busted player essentially. A shame because we've havent gotten to see the real him IMO due to the noggin shots, but history rarely remembers the smaller details.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:57 pm EST

going over traverse roster and our draft history. Anyone have status on the following: Nieves, Spelling, Fogarty, St. Croix, McColgan

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:49 pm EST

Rabid I said it before he played here when the rumors first started love to watch Nash play just not for this team. Hes a great regular season guy but when the game is on the line and intensity is boiling he becomes a no show. Not everyone can be a Patrick Kane but 5 in 41 is bad for a first line player making almost 8 mil the question is will he ever find that next level? If he does this team can be nasty come playoffs if he doesn't he will be an albatross

York18


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:42 pm EST

Maybe I am reading too much into this, or maybe my memory is just flat out wrong...........but, the Rangers don't usually send anyone to Traverse City who is considered to be fighting for a job on the Rangers or on the cusp of being NHL ready. Usually, they send guys that are considered a few years away. Why is HAYES going? Does that mean the Rangers don't consider him in the mix for the NHL squad this year and have him targeted for the AHL? Does that mean the Rangers aren't really sure what level he is at and want to see him against some NHL Caliber prospects? I'm not sure how to read this. The same goes for HAGGERTY. Why is he there?

Vic


Fri Aug 22 2014 2:31 pm EST

RR: The rangers are pursuing an identity therefore you will see many similarities between their picks and free agent acquisitions and why Hung low will never be a Ranger.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 22 2014 12:23 pm EST

RF4L - Ask and you shall receive: Word is Kevin HAYES has been added to the Traverse City prospects roster.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 12:22 pm EST

Zip: Hayes going to Traverse

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 11:42 am EST

I didn't imply Nash has had previous playoff success. He hasn't, but he also doesn't have that much of a sampling. 41 games, 18 pts. Not brutal but not great, but just 5 career PO goals, not what he's paid for, no doubt. If he didn't have the concussions, I'd say sure, hammer away at him if it makes you happy. But I just can't without giving him one more playoff run. If he stinks it up then, I'd say sure, he's been a total bust. But IF the guy is a scoring threat in the regular season, sure, the implication is supposed to be the fucker will score in the playoffs. Common sense there though of course not everyone translates come playoff time.Crosby & Ovechkin amongst others have fallen off their pace in POs. Let's see if Nash is healthy and looks normal first. They'll be plenty of time to abuse him if he chokes. I don't know what else to say with him. Not an ideal situation, but I do think his guy was primed to be a beast when we got him, but he's had serious setbacks.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 11:27 am EST

Rabid to say Nash can still be a threat come playoffs implies that he has been in the past which is not true Nash disappears faster than a girls virginity on prom night come playoffs and everyone knows that.

York18


Fri Aug 22 2014 10:43 am EST

The Summer of Love continues..."Let's Go Rangers"

mf


Fri Aug 22 2014 8:51 am EST

I cant help notice similarities between two free agents they signed, Hayes & Haggerty, and two prospects (Miller & Kristo) they may not be sold on. There I go, stirirring up trouble!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 7:59 am EST

Summer of love is OVER!!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 22 2014 7:35 am EST

NASH AIN'T GOIN' ANYWHERE!!!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:40 am EST

I hear ya MF, I wouldnt argue agsinst a lot of that. Theyre not gonna do it though, at least not now. So then what? Gotta hope for the best out of him IMO. I think he can make some simple adjustments to his game and be productive for us. And if healthy next POs still be a threat.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:54 pm EST

Also, I've been trading NASH so long & often because he carries a $7.8 million dollar liability with him... Lets say you can sign Ryan to 6 yrs at $6.25-$6.75 mill... You save 1 mill a year that we're going to need for next season to sign Stepan, Staal, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Talbot..... We need those dollars .....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:47 pm EST

Rhet: Just to state the obvious, when presented to play for the Rangers, an Original Six, which made its way to the finals last year, versus signing in Ottawa waiting 5 years for their rebuild to take shape, me thinks Bobby Ryan will listen to all options.. As for his price tag, Evander Kane & possibly a kid or a pick gets the job done. Age wise, Kane makes more sense for Ottawa than Ryan...... Rabbit, I agree that Nash is a very good hockey player, it's just that he isn't good at what we need him to be good at... On another team, his strengths & their needs may dovetail better... IMO, Bobby Ryan has more of what we need now than what Nash can offer... Also, I don't feel our roster can offer Nash enough of what he needs, to excel to his best at this time... I'm specifically refering to, if you look at Nash cross-eyed, I'm gonna kill your family , to guys that take liberties or cheap shots......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:55 pm EST

RR: For his sake, Jitter Miller better show up early, too!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:51 pm EST

MF, you've been trading Nash since the end of Gm 5 LOL. Gotta give him this year.If he rebounds we've got a pretty good player. If not I think they shop him and you get your wish. We're getting pretty close.Lundqvist was back in NY today and practiced a bit supposedly. I saw Zuc & Brass drove in together from Ottawa the other day. I'm guessing this year especially everyone will be in early, maybe by first week of Sept or so for informal workouts, and we'll get some stories. Traverse is the 12th, Gorton said Hayes very likely to play.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:27 pm EST

Bobby Ryan is also not available. They barely just traded him a year ago. From everything I've read, he's part of the 'rebuild' there. He also seems pretty happy in Ottawa. BTW, we had our shot at him and passed because the price was too steep, I doubt it's any cheaper.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:26 pm EST

TDCHI -- All I think the SWISS league showed about LOMBARDI was that he was healthy...Which to me is the key with him...Not the points..And if he's healthy, which he wasn't in the NHL for awhile, I see no reason that he can't score over 40-45 as a TOP 9 center as he did three times before because nothing has happened to his speed and legs and the NHL is even more offensive oriented now..I'll be surprised and wrong if he doesnt' end up on the top 3 lines

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:19 pm EST

mf: Maybe but Sather isn't trading Nash. Not now anyways.

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:04 pm EST

RF: Think NASH would accept a trade to SJ ? me too. :-)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:02 pm EST

RF: second part of last post has NASH going to San Jose.... It's not so outlandish. SJ has the cap room, they just shed HAVLAT, and they're in a division with Anaheim & Smell"A"..... They got to compete as they pass the torch to the yutes...... It may be a yellow-prick-toad, I mean a yellow brick road to get to Bobby Ryan, but we can get there......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:36 pm EST

mf: I luv ya man, but you're bonging again. Nash and JJ accepting a trade to Winterpeg? Mmmm...less likely than Ho Sung winning the Calder next June!!! ;^)

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:21 pm EST

TD: I don't know enough about Joe T. to wish him here..... However, I do want to turn Rick Nash into Bobby Ryan and if Nash & Joe T would accept being traded to Winnipeg, what I'm suggesting is pretty darn creative / doable.... Winnipeg becomes a playoff contender while shedding a distraction. San Jose continues their transition while maintaining being playoff contenders. Ottawa continues their rebuild adding a 22 y/o young star signed for the next 4 years at $5.9 mill.. We would get B.Ryan, we'd need to sign him long term, (gladly) probably at $1mill less than Nash, we get a player 3 years younger, whose more balanced in the goals scored/assists ratio, a RHS on a squad in need of Righties.... Sather & Co. are you reading this??? I keep repeating this in hopes someone at MSG considers this... Out side of this being a longshot, I see no reason this can't work.......... Another scenario: Just trade NASH to San Jose, whatever we get in return, we send a package to Winnipeg for Kane, we trade Kane to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.... No way do I want Kane here, he's too immature, and he's got a huge Ego problem now that he made himself some money..... Let him grow up some where else, we don't need his attitude in "our" locker-room...... That goes ditto for the Jumaicanese singer in the Isles camp....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:15 pm EST

TD- as resident Wall Dube watcher, I can say that he hasn't even led a team-much less the league-in scoring for the past four seasons.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:12 pm EST

Nice article on HF site about Duclair. 3 key points for me I got from the article 1) It's indeed a plus when a developing kid gets to play/grow in a winning environment (I've been criticizing Sather for a while now on how he too often puts together a Pack team that is destined to fail) 2) This is one nice, gracious kid 3) Ho Sung should take a page out of this kid's book in terms of humility (imagine if it was this kid beaking off about how great and misunderstood he is)....http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/111577/remparts-duclair-hoping-to-represent-canada-in-front-of-hometown-crowd/

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:40 pm EST

mf - I'll be fit to be tied if they simply get a POS like THORNTON. If they trade STAAL for him? I'm done with this team.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:39 pm EST

Messier11 - That was one thing the organization did say...they want the Pack to win. They do have a who's who of AHL superstars...Mueller, Potulny, Bourque, Hunwick, Kampfer...and then slap Stempniak and Lombardi down there? That's Calder material.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:37 pm EST

Hospo - The way Lombardi breaks down for me is that he had that season in a league where Christian "Horsemeat" Dube was a leading scorer up until last year...pretty much says it all for me...Swiss league is good, but in terms of the European leagues, I'm not even sure if it ranks at third...We'll see. Interesting that he, Stempniak, Hayes and Miller all have roughly the same cap hits.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 6:39 pm EST

Wolfpack must be Calder Cup faves

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 5:13 pm EST

Also saw Leetch coming back to MSG to do some comentary. Thats great news. He offers some of the best insights Ive heard.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:26 pm EST

M11: If in fact moving staal is not an option as you state, then my last post proposal of moving Nash may be...

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:25 pm EST

""May the 4 winds blow you safely home"" ..... as in Trade Winds.... So... Nash & Joe T. happen to have grown up approx 110 miles from ona another, Brampton & London Ontario respectively...... That is awefully close to Toronto, Montreal, & Ottawa..... Winnipeg, San Jose, & Ottawa are going nowhere fast this season, you heard it here folks........... SOOOOO... "IF" Nash & Joe T are willing to waive their NMC/NTC and be shipped together to Winnipeg, Winnipeg can send Michael Frolik to San Jose, & Evander Kane to us... We in turn send Evander Kane to Ottawa for BOBBY RYAN..... Ottawa gets a youngster who's locked up at $5.9 for the next 4-5 seasons, & we unload NASH at $7.8mill per and can resign Bobby Ryan, and probably for a million less than Nash.... At this point in their respective careers, Bobby Ryan will give you as much production as NASH, for less money, we get 3 yrs younger, and pick up a RHS, who can line up at all three positions (center in a pinch) ...... If some peripheral players need be included to make it work, BFD....... This is a good trade folks.... I'm sold.... And for all you deadheads, "In franklins tower, there hangs a bell" :-)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:12 pm EST

Moving Staal is not an option unless a shutdown capable of second-pair minutes coming the other way. Only Ds even close to expendable are Moore or Klein, and thats a stretch

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:11 pm EST

Moore/Boyle pairing: may as well give Hank a blindfold and a cigarette.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:07 pm EST

I see Jaffee saying Hayes definitely needs AHL time. Whether gets that on the down low IDK, but hes a straight shooter. Now IF NYR share that feeling Id say it makes a trade liklier. KIS, tnx. Made my day.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:34 pm EST

RF: Staal $3.975 mill.... J.Thornton $6.75 mill a difference of $2.775 mill..... we currently have $2,192,500 in Cap space but J.Moore needs to be signed, so figure we have $1mill to $1.2mill in Cap Space once J.Moore is signed..... Forget McIrath playing the Left Side D in AV's system, just don't see that happening.... I could see JMoore moving up to being paired with Boyle as JMoore is a good skater.... & then a LHS kid moved up to be paired with Klien.... This would have a veteran in Boyle, & a veteran in Klien mentoring a youngster...... Thing is, I'll play the "ghaaahhhvone" here, if we're taking Joe T off of SanJose's hands, giving up Staal & or Brassard AND a peripheral player, I want a pick coming back in return... At least a 2nd rounder.....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:20 pm EST

Also, no reason for us to offer Carcillo PTO or for him to accept one from us. We know what he brings, he did it just last season. Maybe if he doesn't have an offer by training camp, just to help him showcase to other teams.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:18 pm EST

TDCHI -I see your Point abot Lombardi's season in Toronto but, from what I read, he was hurt most of the year with his shoulder and was just trying to fight thru it...The weak shoulder lead to weak play and bad FO numbers....I really don't think he's been healthy in the NHL since 2009-10....and then last year in SWITZ..The Rangers obviously like what they saw....I still think, if healthy, he's the 3rd line C...I also think Stemp will be a top 9 forward...But his should all be decided in camp and if the kids beat them out, they beat them out.......As for the Rangers needing MILLER to play C..I agree especially for the future....But I also think they are very leery of him being able to handle the mental and decision making part of the postion...And if you are going for a Cup, which I still think the Rangers are, you don't invest to much energy in JT learning the C position if he ain't getting...I say let him loose at Wing to just skate and play...We'll see..

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:16 pm EST

I like what Carcillo did for us this season, and I am surprised that he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but I don't think there is room for him now or in the future. He will have a better opportunity elsewhere.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:11 pm EST

STEVIE - Agree on CARCILLO and a PTO....MF---yeah, I've been stumping for a Glass-Moore-Miller line for awhile....I think it could be really good and it takes all pressure off Miller to just skate and play rather then to have to think which is defeintely a problem for him...

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:09 pm EST

My guess is that Stemp will be a black ace, switch in for Glass at times, unless Hayes or Miller falters.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:08 pm EST

If Miller and Hayes are deemed by AV to both be ready to go, someone will be moved. Either one of the most recent additions, (Lombardi, Stempniak, Glass) or a vet like Brassard, Nash, Hags

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:00 pm EST

mf: Mmm...interesting about Staal, but that only accounts for 1/2 of JJ's salary. I guess SJ could eat a portion. But moving Staal creates a hole on the backline, unless someone like Allen or McI step up.

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:50 pm EST

Here come those Santa Ana winds again.... (Steeley Dan) Me thinks the only way we can afford Joe T. is if Staal or Brassard goes the other way accompained by a peripheral salary.... Are you sure you want to go there?????

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:47 pm EST

Drick = drink

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:46 pm EST

TD: IMO, a 4th line of Glass/D.Moore/JT Miller is awesome and works as a foundation for the entire 4 lines... To me it seems like, the Brass identifies the 1st 2 lines or top six, identifies the 4th line, and creates the 3rd line last..... That 4th line has grit, can skate, win a faceoff, and score... Liking that depth.......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:44 pm EST

BTW, can Hayes (and if so will he) be added to the Rangers Traverse City team roster? Gotta figure the Rangers are eager to see him against his new peers and the only way he's not there is if the rosters are frozen (which I have a heard time believing would be the case).

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:42 pm EST

Slegs: Kevin Hayes was not going to get into Chicago's NHL lineup anytime soon unless they got hit by the plague.. Hayes is 22, & he feels like he is NHL ready.. The Rangers will give him a shot in pre-season to make the big club... If Hayes needs to go to Hartford and get 1st line minutes, hone his skills consistent with the Rangers system, & get recalled, its no big deal, it's just grooming... KK went up & back a few times, ditto JT Miller... The rangers have demonstrated that when they are committed to their youth, that this is the M.O. they follow... I see no fault in this.....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:41 pm EST

puck: Re Kristo. Yeah and imagine how Ryan Bourque is feeling now? He resigned after having a semi-breakout season for the Pack with, as I understand it, his eyes on winning a roster spot with the Rangers this fall. Since then, Sather and company have signed a slew of veteran forwards and now a prize 22 year old UFA forward. His position seems worse than it did last fall!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:32 pm EST

Carcillo deserves an invite to tryout ...

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:31 pm EST

Not sure I follow Hayes thinking but I wouldn't be happy if he was nyr pick pulling that bs... Sounds like a confidence issue... Wonder what the genius promised him.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:27 pm EST

Hospo - See, I look at LOMBARDI'S contract and his last full, somewhat injury-free season in the NHL(with Toronto) and I see him as nothing more than a fourth-line reclamation project who may pop up to third line in a pinch...Admittedly, the buzz from the Rangers has been that MILLER is wing-bound, though I recall him playing center many of the times I've seen him in Hartford and it would strike me as a bit odd for them to say that and then keep playing him as a center in the AHL...I personally think the rangers NEED JT Miller to be a center...he's the closest thing they have to a pivot who can work the boards and forecheck...and frankly, some of the best hockey I've seen him play has been in the middle...conversely, some of the worst I've seen has been with him on the left...You bring a good point about the faceoffs and for that I have no answer other than to say STEPAN has been getting progressively better. I don't know...we'll see.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:15 pm EST

Mf: I luv ya man!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:37 pm EST

OMG, "The Summer of Love" continues...... just want to do drugs, drick some ice cold beer, and chase Hippee Chicks..... woohoo ;^)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:35 pm EST

Kristo signed-guess he better get used to Hartford.

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:14 pm EST

Hey, any word on any veteran Professional try out Contracts for Camp? Personally, I'd love to Radek the Magnificient Dvorak if only for his name and nostalgia...But, seriously, wouldn't hurt to take a look at, to say it nicely, a very physical player...

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:10 pm EST

Uh oh, the KIS of approval, I'd watch my back if I was you or you'll be swimming with the fishes!

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 11:46 am EST

got to give you props Rabid. in the beginning I kow I got on you and called you clown fish but I have to give an apology because you bring alot of info to this wall thanks

KIS


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:45 am EST

Rosen also broke up Brass & Zuc, which ain't happening' and when I stopped reading. Just watched me some Haggerty. The kid can shoot it for sure. Understated guy (and lifelong NYR fan from Ct) doesn't celebrate all that much after goals. Guess he's our anti-Ho-Sang lol.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:40 am EST

TDCHI - Can't say I agree with much of that gobbledygook from RoseN..Ask the bozo how the Rangers are going to win any FOs with their two best FO men on the 4th line and the other three "centers" under 45-47 %....GLASS was in demand over the League and Lombardi had a peachy set up in Switzerland until the rangers came a askin....They did not come to NY to be, respectively, a black ace and a 4th line C...Personally, I can't see it any other way then LOMBARDI as a 3rdd liner C (healthy) and Glass as a desperately needed 4th line physical player where he might be the only physical player on the team, unless MILLER sticks

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:21 am EST

The other guy I keep forgetting to mention is Haggerty(who I know very little about) People kept saying how Hayes was 2nd (I think) in college scoring. Well Haggerty was 6th. Heard nothing but good things about his game. Could be a perfect dark horse camp candidate.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:11 am EST

Here's where I'd come out. They need to wait at least a month, to get to camp and answer the numerous questions they have. Critical year coming, and no way to tell precisely what they have based off past performance, IMO. Lombardi hasn't played in the league in 2-3 years. Stamp went from Pitts 1st line to their 4th by playoffs end. Glass was scratched for most of the POs. We don't know what Nash is going to look like.or Dan Boyle, though he'd BETTER look pretty good. Lindberg & McIlrath could be ready, could not be. How ready is Hayes anyway? JT Miller? Just major major questions in my mind; Maybe they feel more confident in the answers, IDK. And just to add to what I mentioned before, no way would I trade Klein lightly. The guy was outstanding and settled down the D. Would McIlrath be able to step in? On Thornton I wouldn't have many questions. He's Joe Thornton, known commodity, quality player, would be one of our top 3 producers almost guaranteed.Good news for the Rangers is, they can now, thanks especially to inking Hayes yesterday, craft some MAJOR trade packages without missing a beat. Its taken about 15 years to get the depth to this point but it's there, we're damn near overloaded. But who knows, if a Lindberg (or JT Miller) shows in camp they're ready for serious 3C duty, it lessens a need at center. Maybe they go after Evander Kane. Hard to know what's going on in Sathers mind ever, especially now. But I do believe he covets Thornton, he's said he wants a big scoring center for a long time now.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:59 am EST

JMO, but you get a Joe Thornton to play with Rick Nash. You don't trade Nash for him. It makes very little sense. If i remember correctly, Thornton wanted to go to NY as recently as June so he could play with Nash, but there was no fit to make it work. I don't see there being one now. If anything, I thinks it's more likely that the Sharks are trying to get Thornton to expand the list of teams he'd be willing to accept a trade to ....Stevie.... Hayes saw no immediate future for him in Chicago with all the talent they have locked up there for years. He became a Free Agent so he could have a choice which team to play for. I don't think that puts him in the Lindros category.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:44 am EST

Seems to me Slats will have some prospects to deal for a big fish-be it Thorton or whoever-if he can also clear cap room. Kristo seems redundant now that Hayes is here-and Buch & Duclair coming next season-we seem well stocked. Good problem to have

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:32 am EST

There has been some distance chatter about Joe T the last while. And I've heard many trash him completely. But I mean like, I saw a rerun of a SJ-ANA game from last season just a week or two ago on NHL Network. Thornton was just dominating. He dominated more than any Ranger I've seen since JJs best season. All I can say that from my perspective, things are very confused when commenting on Jumbo. I mean like sure, if someone proposes that we should give up the farm to get him to become Messier II -- declare them nuts. That would be nuts. But if like we are looking to make an addition at the deadline and Jumbo is to be dumped by SJ -- he would of course be a TREMENDOUS addition.

Ola


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:18 am EST

If you saw it, RF, Thoton said he talked to the coach and there was no mention he'd be stripped, then he found out from a reporter he was no longer captain. What a bunch of orchestrated, manufactured malarkie if you ask me. Thorton's wanted to come here since his ' NYR are soft' remark. NOT saying id want it to happen, nut ive said before, SJ would have to absorb 50% of Thortons money year 1. JT Miller & Klein make about $3.8 combined, and there you'd have it. Again, we've touched on this before, and TD yes nuts cause he hates Thorton LOL. Really don't want to get into it because I'm not sure its the right move OR what they're thinking. But it is what I was referring to when I said Sather is prone to overkill sometimes.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:17 am EST

KIS/RF4L - Trading Nash...hat's about the only way I see Jumbo Shrimp coming here...trading one over-rated player for another...and though I could see the Rangers doing that, I'm sure the hope of getting JT would come from a misguided notion that he and Nash would end up their superline...I guess you could move HAGELIN and STEPAN..or STAAL and STEPAN...but seriously, if the Rangers are gunning for this schmuck, then they need help. Thornton is a worthless POS. Never liked him...the Bruins called it 100 percent right when they moved JT...I recall scratch my head at that deal...no more though.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:06 am EST

how about a trade of Nash and thorton. Play Zucc with Step an Kreider. Play thorton with Msl and Hagelin.

KIS


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:03 am EST

mf - THORNTON also played on a line with MARLEAU and PAVELSKI...So basically, his totals were good enough for second on the Sharks...they mean nothing on the Rangers. Screw Thornton. The guy is a loser.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:00 am EST

Not a huge deal-but incident when Hayes was at BC. http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2013/3/22/4135380/posts-for-charity-kevin-hayes-problems-bu-bc

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:58 am EST

NY daily news has him listed at 6'5 225....beast

NV94


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:58 am EST

Some chatter this AM about the C being stripped off of Thornton to add pressure on him to accept a trade to the Rangers. I'm middling on the idea of adding Jumbo Joe but obviously, doing so means, given the Rangers being so close to the cap, salary going the other way. Who would go the other way - we're talking about a $6,700,000 cap hit here....

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:55 am EST

No worries, Hospo...NHL.com's Dan Rosen step in for Despo this morning...suggests the following lines: Kreider-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Brass-St. Louis, Zuccarello-Miller-Hayes, Lombardi-Moore-Stempniak...Of course, he omits GLASS...I don't necessarily think Glass would have signed here if he thought he'd be riding pine...but I do have some serious questions about whether LOMBARDI is anything more than a fourth-liner...And I can't help but wonder if AV wanted his fourth line to be another third line.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:52 am EST

Hayes, a former college teammate of Rangers forward Chris Kreider, is believed to have passed on signing in Chicago because he saw less chance of cracking the NHL roster immediately

NV94


Thu Aug 21 2014 5:20 am EST

Why did this kid pull a Lindros ?

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:15 am EST

Gordie Clark admitted the Rangers' weakness at center last week. With Hayes on board, Miller can hone his game at center in Hartford to start the year. Anything happens to one of our centers, he can move up. I wonder if Hayes or one of the other newbies can replace Pouliot.

Bob


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:55 am EST

Im more intruiged right now why an unnamed source called Hayes a center when Carp apparently checked with someone and was told they see him strictly a wing. And not to be a skunk at the party but video I could find on Hayes didnt bowl me over. Didnt bother sayin that cause I didnt think wed get him. Id say theyre in a real good, totally unpredictable spot right now. Sather likes sure things, or as close as you can get sll things considered. Hes also shown himself to be a ghavone, from Lindros at the very beginning to Drury/Gomez in one day to hel bent for MDL last year. Or maybe he just wants to win. But nothing would suprise me. TD, Miller definitely more physical from what ive seen from him & Hayes. Hayes does have dome hands on him tho. Luvs Pat Kane.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:55 am EST

Nice to see the Rangers getting some size and adding prospects. This makes up for one of the discarded #1 picks. I must also say that they have done a nice job of providing insurance with Stempniak, Lombadi, etc. in the event kids cannot hack it. I admit that I like this offseason so far. I like the changes, and the improvement in the prospect pipepine. Bodes well for the future.

Bob


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:38 am EST

TDCHI - Funny, but I read that post about trading the rights of ASHAM for Thornton and knew it had to be you! :)...On the comp between Hayes and Miller...I agree that MILLER plays a physical game and hard to see Hayes matching it...but one thing, in college, a lot of the talented scorers (and Hayes was 2nd in the country) just don't play all that physical because they don't have to..and then it takes a little while for them to ramp it up in the PROs..as we saw with KREIDER becoming more of a beast last year..

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:34 am EST

RABID - Was thinking of putting on my DESPO hat and do some line combinations but, damn, it's hard...So many capable and flexible players..vets and kids..Hell, you could have two legit vet players like Stemp and Moore on the 4th line..or 2 of 3 kids like JT, Fast, and Hayes NOT making the team,,,,can match the BC boys together with Lombardi who can keep up with Kid K, but can Hayes?..St.Louis and Mza together could be a buzz saw..Just a lot of possibilities..OR..there is a lot more depth to make a trade!!!!...Camp should be cool,,...And there always is a camp surprise for a final spot....A spot you don't ideally want a kid just sitting

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:19 am EST

Joe Thornton: 82 / 11 / 65 / 76 would have lead the Rangers in points last year......

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:58 pm EST

Messier11 - Here's what I'd trade for Joe THORNTON: The rights to Arron Asham. Even that's too much for that hack.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:56 pm EST

RR - While you could point out some similarities between MILLER and HAYES, they're definitely two different players. Miller is a hell of a lot more physical than Hayes...and Hayes has a better two-way game. They're both guys you want on your roster...complementary players even...My guess is the Rangers go into the season with an open mind...they got a lot of bodies competing for few spots...I don't see them doing anything other than signing John MOORE until camp shakes out.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:53 pm EST

those gentle trade winds of late .............

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:26 pm EST

I'm starting to think the opposite, that they're not done. In a year they're supposed to take the next step, just think too many question marks for Sathers liking. And Sather still very much in charge IMO. Also can't help notice the similarities in Hayes and JT Miller, a player we know the coach wasn't enamoured with last year. There have been some things happening on the periphery that don't quite add up. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:18 pm EST

I would have to assume that the signing of Hayes and eventual signing of Moore will conclude the offseason festivities. All of thse moves strike me as Gorton/Clark/AV driven and not Sather-esque. We let a lot of money and experience out the door and hopefully brought back what could be affordable alternatives along with roster options given the yutes. If so, perhaps we arent too far from Sather taking much more of a backseat and letting Gorton run the show?I just worry that with only Glass in the lineup we are going to get run out of the bldg on some nights and who knows if we even make it to the end of the season in tact?! Would love to see McIlrath make the club and a signing of Carcillo but given the lack of cap space I think Carbomb is bye bye.

PatrickDiv


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:05 pm EST

Rhet, awesome, thanks...... Gosh, we seem to have a full house these days.... can't help but fan the "trade winds" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:43 pm EST

MF....The League gives Chicago an extra pick. Instead of 30 picks in the 2nd round, there will now be 31. Since the Hawks drafted Hayes 24th in the first round in 2010, their compensatory pick will be number 24 of the 2nd Round in 2015 (or 54th overall).

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:30 pm EST

Rhet: Thanks for the info regarding the fact that the NY Rangers don't need to concede a 2nd rounder next year to ChiTown.... Question: Who awards Chicago the 2nd round pick? I'm guessing that the draft selection is somehow shifted to create this compensation to Chicago.... Thanks.....

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:22 pm EST

N.H.L. Concussion Lawsuits Consolidated: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/hockey/nhl-concussion-lawsuits-consolidated.html?ref=hockey

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:21 pm EST

Peripheral topic from the days excitement: (from the Bertuzzi mugging of Moore) Settlement May Be Near in Career-Ending Attack That Has Shadowed N.H.L......http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/hockey/todd-bertuzzi-and-steve-moore-may-be-close-to-a-settlement.html?ref=hockey&_r=0

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:13 pm EST

Interesting that Carpiniello is saying, "just for clarification, NYR see Hayes strictly as a winger". That contrasts quote Weeks had earlier, which was unattributed, from a front office type saying he's a 6-5 center. Makes more sense they'd see him as a wing. It's where he played at BC, RW. Also changes the potential dynamic going into camp if he's not competing for a center spot. We'll see. Hayes also talked to Brian Boyle before choosing NY, one boston guy to another I guess, and Boyler gave NY the thumbs up.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 7:22 pm EST

Hospo, we already had 3-5 guys competing for a few spots, all or most of them versatile. I can't even begin computing the possibilities with the Hayes signing, another guy who can play all 3 forward spots but also has the size and skill. I think it just works wonders for them on all levels, prospect depth, NHL depth & flexibility, and on the trade front. Bit of a new wrinkle they see him as a center, but why not? We badly need the size up the middle. Only question now is can the kid play? LOL? Im going to trust their judgment for now, they went really hard after him with every team (minus Chicago naturally) kicking the tires and came away with him. Very pleasantly surprised. What they do with this new found depth IDK, but theyve sure given AV an array of quality choices from which to remold a SCF team. Glass, Boyle, Hayes, Stempniak, Lombardi, plus Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath and Allen to choose from for VERY few openings. I don't know if people realize the conundrum some of these prospects are going to face. There will be just nowhere for them to play. This is the best of both worlds as far as depth goes. All they need to do now WIN.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:58 pm EST

Kevin Hayes has a cap hit of $900,000 for the next two years (as expected). He can reach a max salary of $3.75M based on performance bonuses.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:58 pm EST

SJ trying to get JT to waive NTC. Might be the time to inquire

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:51 pm EST

Great line.... "Stripping Joe Thornton of the captaincy is a necessary step in fixing a problem that didn't exist."

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:27 pm EST

WOW, Joe Thornton stripped of the C in San Jose.... JFC.....If memory serves (at least from the games I remember watching) , Hayes only played on the right wing with Kreider. I am stoked to see Hayes in Blue(provided he makes the team of course:)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 3:09 pm EST

From NBC Sports: "And now he’ll be reunited with one of his former running mates in New York. Budding Rangers power forward Chris Kreider, who finished 10th in Calder voting last year, spent two years as Hayes’ teammate at BC — the pair were linemates during Hayes’ freshman year and combined to help the Eagles capture the Frozen Four championship in 2012." Maybe they have so e chemistry. Wonder if he can keep up with Kreider if he's slow-footed.

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 3:05 pm EST

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/rangers-land-highly-sought-after-free-agent-kevin-hayes-155957844.html

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:38 pm EST

Did Kreider play at all at BC with Hayes as his Center?

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:37 pm EST

Think the desire to have Hayes at C has anything with what we faced in the SCF? Gotta love the big body at C!

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:34 pm EST

Good job by Sather, creating his own 2014 1st round draft pick. Do t know enough about the kid, but he's gotta be here to step right in AFAIAC. Center, huh? Well, that gives us options....don't think JT is doomed....no shame in playing 4th line wing. I like how our depth and versatility is evolving....lots of options, lots of injury responses possible. Good stuff.

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:14 pm EST

Moof graze on over there's grass over there but you might have to smoke it... Even if you don't you'll see looney tunes reality cartoon.... Now more cowbell please...got milk?

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:14 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=728795&cmpid=nhl-twt

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:11 pm EST

@stevezipay Anti-tank RT @mirtle: Starting in '16, NHL draft will have a lottery for each of the top 3 picks. 30th place team could end up with fourth.

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:56 pm EST

I'd trust BC's listing on him:6-4 , 216 pounds... May have put on some weight...VERY interesting if they see him as a center. I don't recall him playing center at BC, but I guess it's possible. I know Johnny Hockey was on the wing. I thought Hayes was on the right.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:56 pm EST

Yo squirrel nuts, your buddy Top is waiting for you on the "other Wall." Who let you out "Lefty?" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:53 pm EST

But can he sing?

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:41 pm EST

It's my understanding that the bone growth test is in great demand by many HS cheerleaders :)

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:32 pm EST

a possible explanation for the size discrepencies is that his orignial listed size when drafted was 6'2 205, but over the past 4 years he has gown to 6'5 225 . some sites may still have his original listed size. the fact thsat his game evolved so dramaticly as a senior may in part be related to this extra growth spurt. .when players are drafted at age 18 some have finisihed growing and others are still far from their final adult size. brian leetch was a good exammple was only 5/10 175 when drafted but filled out ot 6/0 195. thats what makes drafting 18 yo's so difficult. in fact in leetchs case i recall the rangers did a bone age test and detrremined that he still had several more years of growth. . matt gilroy is also a player who expreinced a late growth spurt which changed his pro potential from a non entitiy to a highlty sought after senior

docjay


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:26 pm EST

At 6' 1/2" and 220 I once met (and stood next to) WIllis Reed, Dave DeBuschere and Bill Bradley in a hotel lobby- and for the first time in my life realized what it felt like to be dwarfed both vertically and horizontally!

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:10 pm EST

shonuff - funny stuff..I remember running into Ric Flair and Beautiful Bobby long ago in an airport...Funny that at, say, 5-10 180..I was maybe bigger than those 6-2 230 pound behemoths!

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:07 pm EST

RABID - but if they want him at C and the increased responsibilities that come with it that might mean more time at Hartford to get the position down to where he's ready to play at the NHL level ...Or maybe starts out at W his first year as he acclimates...Who knows..I'll wait for camp....But the more players competing and ready, the better off the Rangers

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:50 pm EST

He is a growing boy

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:48 pm EST

6-3 205 , 6-4 213, Katie Strang says he is 6-5 225. Would would wwf list Hayes at ??? 7-3 300 ??? What is actual size of this guy ???????

shonuff


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:41 pm EST

rf a blind squirrel can find his nuts and his ass.....and his nuts.....brain still works.....so maybe sather is both?.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:34 pm EST

Clark may have mentioned Backes. The Blue referenced in Weekes tweet was Berglund.

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:27 pm EST

stevie: Or a blind squirrel! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:26 pm EST

Weeks quotes front office member "skilled 6-5 centers hard to find". Supposedly Clark mentioned Backus when talking Hayes . Havent had chance to track it down. Lindberg who? Thats why I said hard to predict what this move will mean..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:22 pm EST

Stevie.... I was positive about the McIlrath signing the first couple of years, but now I'm starting to be a bit more pessimistic. From everything I've been reading, he's still not going to be ready until next season at the earliest. Then again many defensemen don't put it all together until their mid-twenties. Here's hoping he proves me wrong :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:22 pm EST

guess sather doesn't completely suck.....he's a decent broken clock......a lucky one too......he's still hanging ...on the wall......

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:15 pm EST

Kevin Weeks says NYR view Hayes as a center. Hmmmm..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:14 pm EST

Rhet guess I wasn't clear, I wasn't talking about cap space. I meant the roster.......I'd rather see Big Mac take J Moore's job if he can prove he deserves it......I hope Buek has taught him well.....and he's finally ready for the show.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:13 pm EST

Per Kevin Hayes..... Really excited to be part of the @NYRangers organization. Thankful for the family, friends and fans that supported me along the way.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:07 pm EST

The Hayes signing makes us that much more of a deep team. Miller will have to earn his spot on the team (which is not a bad thing). IMO, Stempniak and Lombardi should both be looking over their collective shoulders that one of the kids doesn't take their spot away. Also, both Bourque and Lindberg are both talking like they're coming to camp with the mindset that they're winning a roster spot. I for one am so looking forward to this year's camp ...Stevie... Capgeek creates Cap know-it-alls. We have plenty of cap room for everyone that will make the team. Others that are currently on the roster and wont make the team will be sent down(creating cap relief). That includes the upcoming re-signing of John Moore.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:06 pm EST

Happy to hear about the HAYES signing though I know nothing about him other that what I've read. The organization needs as much young, skilled depth as it can find. I don't know if this kid can make the Rangers out of camp and I have no idea if he could even be a difference maker in a few years, let alone as a rookie. Still, the Rangers are a better, deeper organization today then they were yesterday.

Vic


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:52 am EST

TDCHI - Thanks for the summary,,,,But again, why does Miller have to go to the minors if Hayes is good enough to make the top 3 lines (which to me still has to be a question)? A 4th with Miller and Glass/Moore can be very effective.....The person it may effect instead is Jesper Fasth who might nave no shot......But, lets see how Hayes does in camp...also..never know if the Rangers are done and do not know if they have another trades or professional tryout contract for a forward...Again, a lot of possibilities...

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:48 am EST

Who needs Poo?

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:47 am EST

it's better than not getting him at least, and hopefully a great move.....although many here say the nyr didn't have room....than I guess they don't need prospects, picks, or promotions right now.....slightly confusing......could mean jt jitters doesn't get promoted......

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:42 am EST

Hospo - I've seen a bunch of HAYES with BC over the past few years and my take on him is that he's neither KREIDER nor BOYLE...Kind of a different player altogether...Boyle at BC was a beast. He could impose his will on players...he was a beast in the AHL too...it's when he got to the show his lack of footspeed caught up with him...on a tangent, Boyler in the pre-2005 lockout NHL would have been a monster...anyway...KREIDER has always used his speed and quick release to score goals...but he also had the bonus of being a big kid in a league of little players...he too was an uncaged beast in the NCAA...whether shooting down the ice or just carrying the puck in the zone...he was a tough kid to stop...Hayes doesn't have his speed, but probably has better hands...He's also not a physical kid, but he strong on the puck...the guy who comes to mind for me is Blake Wheeler, though I think Wheels is faster and more skilled...Hayes is a good signing. He's NHL-ready and will certainly take a little pressure off the organization to find/develop first rounders...essentially, he's the body that fills the spot of the pick lost in the NASH deal, IMO...Said it a few days ago, there was some talk that he would have gone in the top-15 if he was able to re-enter the draft...I don't remember where that came from though and could be another one of these fans sites talking bunk...my question now is what happens with MILLER. One of those guys is ending up in the minors, IMO.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:37 am EST

Per Katie Strang..... Rangers make it official. Free agent forward Kevin Hayes has agreed to terms

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:36 am EST

Just saw where Keith Tkachuk is Hayes' cousin. It is a shame he doesn't play a tough physical game like Keith did. We sure need that.

GaryRanger


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:33 am EST

Will be interesting to hear his reason(s) for choosing us. Also, NHL.com player bio has him listed as a center..."who is comfortable either at center or wing."

RF73


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:27 am EST

I, too, share in the rejoicing at the signing of Hayes today for the same reasons cited on here already. What I don't know is how legitimate a prospect he is, but if what I read is accurate, he arguably jumps to the top of the Rangers prospect listings, although one could reasonably say that Miller's at least his equal, if not ahead. I concur that he essentially replaces the 28th overall pick from June's draft the Rangers surrendered in the MSL deal.

RF4L


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:17 am EST

Ranger47 - Or, if Hayes succeeds, maybe he slides onto the 2nd or 3rd line and JT MILLER can play with Glass and Moore on a solid 4th line...It's all up to how they perform in camp...a lot of flexibility and possibilities in the lineup

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:11 am EST

Funny how the loss of Poulliot and Boyle may have been the difference in Hayes seeing opportunity with us. This definitely should light a fire under JT Miller who, if Hayes succeeds, might be Hartford-bound or trade bait. Best case is that both players force a spot on the team...

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:03 am EST

When Graves is sent down his contract will slide...I think they can assign him but let him stay at camp a few days as well...but most likely a contract or two will be moved....even if only to keep flexibility for in season trades

Wildcard


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:01 am EST

MF... Chicago does gain a 2nd Round Pick, but we do not lose one.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:00 am EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24669477/report-coveted-college-ufa-kevin-hayes-signs-with-rangers

RF73


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:56 am EST

damn...Hayes' stats

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:55 am EST

Just looked at Kaye's stat's at BC and, man, did he take off last year in the goal scoring department! He also seemed to improve every year, at least statistically....Again, I know little about him other then he's big and strong and scored at BC....Now, the Rangers have had two player that did similar things at BC-----Brian Boyel People forget he was a scorer in college) and Kid Kreider.. So , is he a big strong guy that can stand in front of the net like Boyle...or does he have a lot more speed ala KREIDER..or, somewhere in between? Just trying to learn the new guy

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:46 am EST

RF4L - Obviously the kid has to grow up as most 18-20 year olders do....and the leaders of a team will help that process...but you also don't want to suffocate him and try to take away his individuality and what really makes him tick....Maybe a little extra work from an organizational stand point, but it will be worth it..

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:42 am EST

I don't know KEVIN HAYES from a hole in the ground and am only going by what I read here from my fellow wallbangers and in other players...AT THE LEAST, he adds prospect depth, recaps a lost draft pick, and provides more ammunition (other prospects) for a deal that might be needed around deadline time...At the best, we have a big stong wing that can skate and score for many years and MAYBE step right into the lineup...Either way, gotta love......Guess there's no room for Carcillo now, eh? Still worry about toughness and, sounds strange, but Glass better not get hurt

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:34 am EST

with 50 NYR under contract-there is a move coming-as John Moore isn't signed.

puckyou


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:24 am EST

No telling what kind of player Hayes will become, but did we need a 6-4 forward that can score? Duh. Been advocating these type signings for years. Sounds like we caught a geographic break, kid wanted to play near home. Excellent way to recoup a No. 1.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:17 am EST

Per Mark Divver..... Word's out: Kevin Hayes agrees to deal with Rangers. Location was important. MSG's an easy trip for #bigdaddy

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:13 am EST

Kevin HAYES signing = Best move Sather has made since bringing ZUCCARELLO back across the pond.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:11 am EST

Leaves us shy a number two pick for next year. Gotta recoup picks...

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:55 am EST

way to get that 2014 #1 back Slats!!

puckyou


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:43 am EST

John @Buccigross reports from Dublin on Ray Ferraro's twitter feed that @KevinPHayes12 has signed with @NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:37 am EST

Danny Picard (sports talk radio host).... Sources tell me Kevin Hayes has signed with the New York Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:35 am EST

RR - I'd have an easier time buying Ho-Sang's line if the kid's body of work was in the same stratosphere as some of his predecessors, but one very good year does not make a career. Seems to me he's jumping the gun a bit and that's unfortunate because people are now waiting for him to fail...he has a rookie stumble...a bad camp...a youthful indiscretion...he's gonna get raked over the coals...I think a good example of this was LINDROS...though he had the numbers to boast about...his sticking it to the Nordiques..refusing to sign and demanding a trade put a giant target on his back both on and off the ice. That kid sneezed the wrong direction, he had the entire Canadian press up his ass...certainly the truth came out later that he was, in fact, just a real schmuck when he came into the league...and I kind of wonder if that's part of the reason he ended up so banged up in the end...for guys going against Lindros, it was more than stopping him with the puck...it was personal. When I think about what could have been with that player...man...what we got instead was a couple years of the Lindros everyone was sold and then a shattered career of a player who couldn't live up to the hype he created...I see that playing out on a lesser level with HS.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:19 am EST

Re: MSL - As a preface, I'll acknowledge I was never for the deal that brought him here and never thought he was a good fit with an undersized guy like ZUCC already in the lineup...but that said, I see MSL as a RECCHI-like player...Wrecking ball had nothing left to prove with the Bruins, and his contract reflected it...never made more than $2 million per...cap hit was always around $1.25 million or less...the guy already had a cup ring...had over 500 goals to his name and 1,400 point...was likely already HOF material...He came in to a young Bruins team and was the veteran presence that got everyone flying straight...Bruins wouldn't have won the cup without Recchi...plain and simple...Clearly, the Rangers are MSL's retirement team...they're the only team he would accept a trade to for whatever reason and I don't see him being the type of guy who would demand $5 million-plus in another contract. I suspect the guy takes a deal for around $2 million if he still has gas in the tank after next season...maybe even less...if he's still looking for a big payday, he can kick rocks...but if Marty wants another cup, I'd happily give him a year-to-year contract in the same vein as Recchi.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:11 am EST

Per NHLRumorsDaily.... As of right now I'm being told Kevin Hayes will sign with the NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 8:35 am EST

Divver, who seems to have the inside track on this, says the Bruins are out on HAYES.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 8:15 am EST

Some buzz Hayes leaning towards Rangers. I remember that night Iginla was supposedly leaning towards Bruins, everyone tweeted it was done, then he landed in Pittsburgh.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 5:55 am EST

Late last night Divver tweeted that the Rangers and AV's have the inside track on Hayes. Hopefully, we find out soon.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:57 pm EST

And Hospo, think you nailed it on you-know-who, but really it all comes down to the kid putting points on the board, does it not? If he does that he looks like a new breed and everyone else looks like a schmuck. If not, he'll have more than the usual amount of egg to wipe from his face. Its just exceedingly rare I see someone who has a demon-like desire to score. From what I've seen, this kid has it. But time will tell.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:50 pm EST

Yeah, ya know, I'm concerned about the whole 'older' core of this team if they don't win this year, but Marty St Louis has made a lot of people who counted him out look Stupid, capital S. So think I'll just temper my remarks for now. He's a guy who can easily play to 42-43, if his legs hold up. Whether its here or not IDK.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:37 pm EST

Marty will have to go to one year deals that help the team with the cap a la Teemu Selanne. Marty also wont just collect a paycheck, it's just not in him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:24 pm EST

you re-sign your 40-year-old leading scorer, if you can fit it under cap.

Messier11


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:16 pm EST

I really don't know what to make of this Hayes situation as far as what it means going forward, though like I said I'm already hoping hard Sather doesn't even entertain the notion of a resigning of 40-yr old Marty St Louis next year, and nabbing Hayes make that decision that much easier. But one thing I'd bet the ranch on, no way in the wide world Rangers promised this kid any kind of spot, any quid pro quo for signing. He'll have to make the team on merit, and maybe that's why they're having trouble deciding. Avs are up & coming, but a serious contender in a tough western conference? Maybe. But we're a Cup finalist. Pittsburgh is a mess right now. The allure of playing possibly with the world's best player in Crosby would lose its allure with me when I looked at the rest of that team, losing Niskanen, their best offensive Dman coming off a stroke and a basket case in net. Their depth has really suffered, they dealt away Neil, so, IDK, even if PITT guaranteed me a spot I wouldn't be totally sold. We've got Kreider, his former linemate, but Sather & AV will make him earn it. One thing is they must really like the kid to be bidding so hard & so late in the process. Gotta figure we find out tomorrow.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:58 pm EST

From the rumors I've read online about Kevin Hayes.... The Bruins are rumored to be out and the Rangers and Penguins are very much in. The AV's were the favorites going into the weekend and are probably still in the mix. IMO, he went in to the weekend thinking he was signing in Colorado and the Rangers and Pens kind of knocked his socks off. I think there's a very good change he comes to NY. JMO though.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:46 pm EST

Hospo: How do the big 3 respond to such behaviour from 18 year olds? Not challenging you - just curious given your stance that it's good Ho-Sung is bucking the trend.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:01 pm EST

Still no word on Hayes. This kid think he's Lindros or what? Meanwhile Sathers out fishing with old Oilers and BTW, Wang sold the Isles today. Don't think it takes full effect for a few years.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:00 pm EST

Hospo - See, I look at it this way: A disruption is a disruption on a team...it's why SEGUIN was moved...it's why Sean AVERY doesn't have a job and I suspect it's why HO-SANG fell to 28th and will quickly alienate himself in the Islanders' organization unless he starts to grow up a bit...Interesting that this writer seemed very harsh on the Bruins for their move...But the popular notion among Boston fans is that Seguin left them with no choice...there were A LOT of rumors swirling around Seguin ranging from his despicable living conditions to his penchant for partying...and then there's the other popular rumor...and that is he banged Nathan HORTON'S wife...we see players sometimes moved inexplicably and you have to wonder...ESPECIALLY in the case of a player like Seguin...whether some of these far-out rumors are true...where there's smoke, there's certainly fire...and the fact they moved Seguin when they did and for what they did is highly suspect...I have a close friend plugged into the Bruins scene and the way he puts the deal was that it was only a matter of time until Seguin punched his ticket out of Boston...yet this writer seems to take the stance that the Bruins management just got impatient and flipped him without much thought...I don't believe that for one minute...they saw a problem that was getting worse and worse...the did the only thing they could to correct it...Now I don't think Ho-Sang has THOSE kind of problems...but like I said, his mouth is going to start others in the locker room that will not make him a popular guy...we'll see. He's 18. I remember how I was at 18 and cut anyone that age some slack. Time will tell.. My gut, however, tells me Ho-Sang will end up going the wrong direction, not the one that gets his name etched next to Kane or Crosby.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 5:40 pm EST

Another good story on Ho-sang/Hop-sing can be found at...http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/josh-ho-sang-is-brash-and-cocky-is-that-so-bad/..Personally, I hope the kid tears the Leage up...To be the best you have to be confident and cocky, and the kid has it in spades...Just think he needs to reel in the outward expression of it...and limit his stubbornness..But hey, he's a freaking kid.......ANd he may be stubborn..but so may be this era of scouts who all seem to want the farm boys from Canada, USA and Europe who are brimming with "character" and say Yes Sir and No Ma'am ,..They are obviously afraid and wary of a kid like Ho-sang and also seem to WANT HIM TO FAIL (because they don't want to be wrong).....Nothing wrong with something different if that player can get along with teammates--that's the only issue with me....And I haven't heard too many negatives in that respect..

Hospo


Tue Aug 19 2014 3:40 pm EST

K.Hayes is a southpaw.........http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7938

mf


Tue Aug 19 2014 1:20 pm EST

Hayes is lefty TD, unless Ive been watching wrong guy on YouTube. Reason Id like it is auto replacement for MSL next year. Still doubt it happens. We'll see...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 1:15 pm EST

Hope Divver is right; Re: Kevin HAYES...Rangers need to grab this kid...if for no other reason than to prevent the Bruins and the Pens from having him on their roster...I'm not 100 percent convinced he's star material...think he's NHL-ready and could be a great compliment for the guys they have coming through the system...the other crucial element to recognize with this kid is he's a right-handed shot...and they are very rare on this roster.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 12:29 pm EST

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday BREAKING NEWS: Charles Wang has agreed to sell the #Isles to John Ledecky, former co-owner of the Capitals, and investor Scott Malkin.

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 11:13 am EST

TD, I concur some of what I see the kid saying is unusual. Point Ive been trying to make is, from the moment I became aware of the different situations surrounding Ho-Sang, teams not even interviewing him, etc., the whole thing seems very unusual. Maybe its how he motivates himself, IDK. But no doubt outlandish behavior wont cut it on ice. One only needs to remember the mob after Anisimov when he decided to brandish his weapon against TB LOL

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 11:02 am EST

TD: Your point about him making things harder for himself due his constant running of the mouth is valid. He's not invited to TC and given his outburst, won't be anytime soon. In terms of putting unnecessary pressure on himself, that doesn't fit. But, blabbing that he's gonna be better than JT is really dumb because as you say, lots of folks will be armed and ready if/when he shows in camp he's not. And if/when the press interviews him during camp and he's spouting off like that, guess who's not gonna like it too much: His potential Islander teammates. What he should do is STFU and then, if he does prove to be as fabulous as he says he is, simply say 'I told you so!'.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:58 am EST

This guy has Buch as NYR top prospect. I saw him play in last year's jr. tourney-and he has inpressive skills-sees the ice well, great hands/passer. http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/prospect-rankings/read-looking-at-another-version-of-the-rangers-top-10-prospects/

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:52 am EST

RR - No doubt, if Ho-Sang comes into camp and plays anywhere NEAR JT, then he's going to silence a lot of his critics...And if he outplays JT? Yeah, a lot of teams and organizations are going to have to do some soul searching...the part where I start to roll my eyes is that this is hockey. Not football, not basketball, and certainly not baseball...showboating on the ice is one thing...talking like a showboat off the ice is another...guys just generally don't do it...some of the things coming out of this kid's mouth are things a guy like Crosby would have never said even at his most petulant...we'll see what happens in camp...but let's just say Ho-Sang just turned the hill he has to climb into a mountain...instead of going into Islanders camp...one that is generally ignored because the franchise is such a joke...with little attention on him and a chance at being a late add to the Team Canada roster...he's now going there under a microscope and almost ZERO chance of making the junior team...there are people who are going to be eager to watch him fail...and plenty of reporters willing to write about it if he does.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:45 am EST

puckyou - Never a sucker for fan blogs and was particularly unimpressed with the Rangers' Traverse City roster...but damn, it's tough not to get excited reading the summary that guy posted...I know he's spot-on with a number of those prospects...which gives me all the more excitement for the others...In specific, it's interesting to read about this Czech kid, NEJEZCHLEB...never heard anything on him prior to the draft...But he sure seems(and looks) like a solid pick who could see pro action sooner rather than later...also interesting to think DUCLAIR could challenge for a spot...Nicholas LATTA was a guy I saw play toward the end of the season...didn't realize he captained Sarina...he didn't look out of place with the Pack...writer shares my same high hopes for TAMBELLINI too...and many of us forget Micheal ST. CROIX...But this was a kid who was pretty high up on the organizational chart until he stumbled a bit during his first pro year...anyway, I'm pretty pumped for TC now.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:41 am EST

The Rangers are “in the thick” of the bidding for BC UFA Kevin Hayes. (Mark Divver)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:18 am EST

My bad. Ryan Graves doesn't count against us. The Rangers would be at 49 contracts once John Moore is signed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:13 am EST

With the Kristo signing, the Rangers are now at 49 of 50 contracts with John Moore still left to be signed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:49 am EST

Again, Im not going to go all Ho-Sang crazy because he's now New York Islander property. But he was selected with what was originally the Rangers No. 1 pick, and is certainly an interesting conversation piece, especially on an otherwise dull summer day. Ya know, I'm someone who DETESTS what's happened in sports, and culture & society in general when it comes to what was once common forms of decency. I can remember when football players scored a touchdown and HANDED the ball to the referee, and as far as Im concerned its how it still SHOULD be. I can remember the Mets had a guy, Wllie Montanez, who would go through a routine before he got in the batters box, the likes of which I haven't seen repeated to this day, that was from another world. Spit, flip the bat, adjust the cup, fix the wristbands. It was like WTF? WTH is wrong with this guy? Little did I know what was coming next. Now we've got out & out murderers in sports, guys knocking their GFs out in elevators and dragging them unconscious thru hotels and getting a 2-game ban. It is MADNESS. But I don't sense that type of behavior from Ho-Sang at all. He's merely questioning what he sees around him, which, to a point, I think all good citizens should do. it's what creates progress in the world. he said that very thing in that interview, if anyone bothered to read it. It may be easier to just rip the kid as a blowhard, I get that. But I think he had every right to question why his GM compared him to a Harlem Globetrotter. He asked why?; said he was a hockey player, pointed it out. GOOD for him. Makes these assholes feel uncomfortable. A lot of the great people in history were misunderstood in their time. And Im certainly not saying Ho-Sang is the next Muhammad Ali (who people wanted to kill back in the 60's & 70's and is now generally regarded as having been great in & out of the ring). But Im saying IF this kid can back it up with his play, he's got a chance to be a transcendent figure. Hockey is certainly behind baseball, football, and basketball as far as fully integrating not just different races but different attitudes, good, bad, or indifferent. Maybe it's time. But it doesn't shock me in the least the Old Mustache Petes who run hockey have a problem with Ho-Sang. He speaks his mind. Nor can I find ANY fault with a kid saying his goal is to come into camp and try to be better than the best player there. That's what they should ALL try to do. As Ho-Sang said, he feels if he falls a bit short of being better than Tavares, he should still stand a good chance to make the team. And that's his goal. Should it not be? Im not getting some of the objections I see.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:36 am EST

WOLF PACK NEWS: Danny Kristo officially re-sign with the #NYR on a 1 year deal worth $826,875. The pack roster should be complete.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:26 am EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/traverse-city-look/

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:21 am EST

RR: MDZ never got an invite to Team Canada's WJC entry due to perceived attitude issues and he's wasn't nearly as over the top with his raging comments compared to your boy Ho Sung. And look how his career is unfolding. IMO, citing racism as the reason for no invite and/or how he fell in the draft is pure bunk and deflecting away the real reason: Hockey is a team sport and there are endless real examples of how a me-first player, especially one that's very skilled and can make a difference on the ice (like Ho Sung appears to be), can have a negative impact overall and serves to bring his team down vs lifting it to another level. This kid sounds like one angry dude who lets his emotions get the better of him. No doubt, his latest case of verbal diarrhea is serving to enforce to the Team Canada management they did the right thing bypassing him (because this was the summer camp - if he kept his mouth shut and his head down and produced for his junior team like he says he's able to, he'd be invited in December). Talented or not, this kid is without a doubt a loose cannon and has issues. IMO, he needs a shrink.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:06 am EST

That interview sums up why the Ho-Sang went at 28th and to a team like the Islanders and not the top 10...and the funny thing too is that his 'institutional racism' comments from before the draft seem a bit off now after a kid like DUCLAIR...someone who was sort of pushed to the side...came out blazing in the QMJHL last season, earned a look in camp for Team Canada and, by most accounts, earned a spot on a team filled with high-round draft picks...as andrei says...let your game speak for itself...that's what Duke did...I mean, what has this guy accomplished other than running his mouth off? Nothing to compare himself with Crosby, who scored 145 points in the QMJHL as a 16 year old or Kane who had similar numbers as a 17-year-old in the OHL...and then there's Ho-Sang with one good year in juniors...one year where he scored 30 goals...one year where he didn't even break 100 points...and he has the audacity to question why he didn't get a chance? I say this, he's sinking his own ship here. There was some question whether it WAS institutional racism that was keeping his stock down before the draft...I think this article kind answers that question...I don't care what color your skin is...if you run you're mouth like this kid, you're giving coaches a reason to ignore you...no coach wants to be in the thick of battle and risk having one of their own players second guess decisions in the media...that doesn't fly with ANY coach, whether in the NHL, AHL, juniors or wherever. The LAST thing Team Canada needs right now is a loose cannon...especially after several very dismal showings at the World Juniors...Can you imagine what would have happened last year if as the Canadians were being shown the door to medal contention and a kid jumps up and cries the coaches could have played him more but refused...or some other nonsense? And then with the TAVARES comments? So you're saying you're going to outplay the CAPTAIN of your team? A guy you've never played against? A guy who you've likely never met? As a player who never played in the NHL? That takes a rare blend of incompetence and balls Good luck with this one, Islanders. Skill or not, this kid needs a good ass kicking. Sounding more and more like KABANOV, only a native English speaker.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:14 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/marty-st-louis/recap-marty-st-louis-on-tsn-radio-on-his-future-the-team-john-tortorella/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:46 pm EST

No argument Andrei. We can all have different views. Its why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors. Idk, you tell me, a kid who's drafted in the first round, not even an INVITE? Is that normal? I dont pay much attention to the team Canada selection process, but seems to me, unless Canada has an array of insanely talented kids coming up, Ho-Sang has to be one of the more skillfull talents that are eligible. Not an invite U-17 or U-18? Doesn't sound right to me off what I've seen of the kid, but again, let's call it what it is. If he's a loudmouth, new-era type hockey player, he gets denied a chance? That's all the kid said. I read his remarks carefully; its not some Ochcinco- type unbearable stuff. Seems pretty thoughtful to me. Anyhow, no word on Hayes I guess. Why every agent has to turn everything into a dog & pony show IDK. Its not like rookie contracts aren't capped. Still don't think we get him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:31 pm EST

Rabid Ranger, no desire to argue with. So let's not make this an argument. Time will tell. I can only tell you what i think. If i was a GM, my dream prospect would not be So -Ho. My dream prospect would be someone like Girardi. There is a guy who went un-drafted, worked extra hard and proved everyone wrong. Guess what, he was nver invited to to camps, either. If i was a GM, I would never want "look at me"," i'm this bad ass", "fuck you, i'm still the best" prospect. It's not a fresh breed of players. It's a disgusting, self-centered and plain stupid by some one who has not accomplished a thing yet. He was drafted exactly where he was drafted because rest of the league had told him "Fuck you". So he better get his head out of his ass, swallow his tang, work harder then anyone else on the team, and prove his words on the ice..

andrei


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:18 pm EST

How about "Jewmaicaneese?" ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:05 pm EST

Someone wouldn't have to tell me ashy Ho-Sang must shut up. Because he dares question the authorities running the game? Maybe you like how the game's been run the last 40 or so years, but I sure don't. Kid is a breath of fresh air. Says he's going into camp trying to be better than Tavares. Isn't that the approach you want your prospects to have? Again, its an Islander issue now, so I won't harp on it. But I dont know how anyone reads that story and come away with a bad impression of the kid. He seems pretty enlightened to me, whether he ever Makes the NHL or not. And back to the draft, this kids story is just dripping with racism. Call it what it is.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 10:38 pm EST

RF4L, i was thinking same thing. Kid just needs to STF and play. Let your game be your spokesman. Exactly why the kid will never be a Pro unless he learns that you can't demand a respect... you need to earn it. Fuck the Junior Team, become the best and make them beg you to join the main Team Canada. Man or man. Yes, Josh, scouts knew who Sid the Kid was when he was 12 years old. Not sure they cared much for you, when you were 12.

andrei


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:55 pm EST

OMG, Hop Sing really needs to the shuttup. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459703

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:13 pm EST

NY Rangers had "2" Defensemen in the top 90 in scoring... McDonaugh at # 17, Girardi at # 68.... Hopefully the defense as a unit contributes considerably more scoring, which I think they will, without sacrificing the defensive side of the game...... http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLDADALL&viewName=summary&sort=points&pg=1

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:42 pm EST

Stevie... No and Brooks never retracted his totally wrong statements about it either. When Haggerty was signed, he was no longer eligible to be sent down to Hartford(due to the time of the year and that he wasn't Ranger property prior to his signing). His only real option was to stay with the big club. Hopefully it pays dividends down the road....TD.... It was reported before Shultz signed that he wanted guarantees of a roster spot, a claim which he vehemently denied once he signed. Even if it was promised to him on the sly, there is nothing preventing the team from revoking it after he's signed. Also, It's believed that Schultz will be asking for $4 Mil per season on his next contract. He has delusions of being PK Subban.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:25 pm EST

Wasn't haggerty signed to a one way contract ?

stevielegs


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:23 pm EST

FWIW: Columbus has not yet come to terms with Ryan Johansen

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:16 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I realize that...but tell me this: You don't think the Bruins gave Blake WHEELER every assurance he'd be with the big club when he signed? Ditto with Justin SCHULTZ? Those guys were told they were coming directly to the show...and yeah...the could have been sent down...actually, Schultz WAS sent down because of the lockout...but the implication was they had spots in the lineup...Wheels would have never signed with the Bruins had he thought there was a chance he'd start in Providence. HAYES is looking for assurance...and if a team tells him they're going to start him with the big club and then reneges...well, I'm sure that'll be the last college free agent that signs there.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:52 pm EST

Avery should nominate Uncle Daddy too.... Butt Bung-Holio already went.....

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:30 pm EST

Sean Avery does Ice Bucket Challenge and nominates John Tortorella.... http://instagram.com/p/r2P8cJKliI/

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:28 pm EST

TD.... We need to remember that Hayes is "Free Agent" but not an 'Unrestricted' one. He's never signed a professional contract so he has parameters that he can sign in. Per the CBA, Players cannot receive a NTC/NMC in seasons they are not eligible to be a unrestricted free agent. Therefore, no team could sign him to a deal where they guarantee to not send him down.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:55 pm EST

Avs/Preds supposed favorites for Hayes all along.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:39 pm EST

RF4L - Obviously, the Rangers aren't going to sign a kid who has never played in the NHL to a contract that says he can't be sent down...but clearly, HAYES wants an assurance there is a spot for him in the lineup and is confident enough that he can land it...What I'm saying is that a Hayes/Miller competition sets the table for some pretty bad blood to develop from one side or the other if both guys come to camp...both guys look good and Miller ends up the odd man out because of whatever the Rangers promised Hayes....then again, I suppose you could always take both on your roster and look to move someone else...Bottom line is Hayes is going to go to the team where he thinks he has the best shot of making it to the NHL to start the season...of the teams that are/were listed, certainly the Predators seem like a safe bet...but then again, would he WANT to go to a rebuilding team with little hope in making the POs? Calgary has the same issue...I'm dismayed to see the suck-ass Pittsburgh franchise in the running because this kid could very conceivably end up on a line with Malkin or Crosby...The Bruins are another one...remember they nabbed WHEELER a few years back in a similar situation...they could easily promise Hayes a spot on third line...the question is can they fit him under the cap? I think the Rangers have as good a chance as anyone...but have a feeling Boston will end up with the inside track.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:27 pm EST

Messier11 - The irony here is that the Jackets could very well be one of the best teams in the east...certainly in the Metro division...That team is just nails, through and through...but to answer your question, I think if the Rangers decide to trade Nash, he'll pick and chose what team to go to...and I highly doubt Columbus is on that list...I did here something to the effect of his NTC that was to kick in at the end of the season(replacing the NMC) was voided by the trade...and if that's the case, I'd say you can kiss Nash's ass goodbye as soon as that happens. I am with the general sentiment here in that I hope Nash has a monster year...I hope he lands 70 points and dominates...but I have a very sneaking suspicion that we're going to see last season replayed over 82 games...I think we're gonna get 25-goal 50-point Rick Nash and that it'll be enough to punch his ticket out of here when the post season is over.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 3:24 pm EST

Would Nash accept a trade back to Columbus, now that they have gelled into more of a team? to the Islanders who have also improved depth this post-season? Is his NTC effectively waived, following his prior waiver?

Messier11


Mon Aug 18 2014 2:10 pm EST

TD: If Hayes is better and proves in camp for sure he bumps Miller.

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 2:05 pm EST

If Hayes biggest motivator is to get lots of playing time (and I assume he'd prefer top 6) then it's a no-brainer: He signs with Nashville. The plus of signing with the Rangers is their lack of top 6 forward depth. Duclair and that Russian kid appear to be on their way, but both are at least a year a way from turning pro and possibly 2 or more years after that will be needed to make the Rangers. Hayes, if he's the real deal, will be firmly entrenched with the Rangers well before then. In addition, there's a spot open on the Rangers top 6. Of the other rumoured teams, the Aves are brimming with young talent and I see little room on the Bruins or Penguins for top 6 minutes.

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 1:28 pm EST

Hayes meeting 5 teams today. Mark Divver was told a month ago Avs were the favorites. Hayes meeting today with Rangers, Penguins, Avs, Preds, and Bruins. He reportedly won't be signing with Phoenix. There's expected to be news by the end of the day.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 12:06 pm EST

TD: I don't see how Hayes would be able to prevent his team from demoting him if that's what the team truly felt was in his (and the team's best interests), unless, of course, whoever he signs with has to agree to a NMC be included in the contract. If that's the case, I don't want him - talk about a prima-donna! If not such clause, he could be demoted and should be if his play warrants it. I am hoping he's simply looking for a team with less depth than the Hawks, which is probably like 80% of the league!

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 10:28 am EST

D Ryan Graves got traded to Quebec, same team as DuClair. Graves is going to miss first few months after shoulder surgery.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:23 am EST

Here's the deal with a guy like HAYES: If he wants to come to your team and you have room to play him, then you do what is necessary to bring him aboard...This is yet another situation like Justin SCHULTZ and even farther back, WHEELER...These are players that are ready to contribute immediately...I recall some commentator equating Hayes to a high draft pick...I think he said he probably would have gone in the top 15 this past year...If he wants to come to New York, the Rangers will find a way to fit him on their roster...plain and simple...but that said, you really can't make season decisions based on the whims of a 21-year-old free agent. The Rangers needed to fill hole...they signed a bunch of guys to low contracts...and I'm sure guys like MUELLER, HUNWICK and KOSTKA aren't walking into camp thinking they've got a spot...If the Rangers are on HAYES' list and are among the finalists, they'll make it happen...Frankly, I think the biggest obstacle could be JT MILLER...Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see the scenario where they're both in the opening day lineup absent injury...In the case of HAYES, if you sign him to replace POULIOT on the Zucc line...then that bumps MSL down to third with HAGELIN and Lombard/Moore...and your fourth line becomes STEMPNIAK, the odd center out and GLASS. Can the Rangers justify playing a fresh-out-of-college forward in Miller's place?

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:24 am EST

MF... Exactly. Kevin Hayes will have a max cap hit of $900k no matter who he signs with. If we sign Moore to an 2-year average of $1.1 million, we'd have approx. $1 Mil as a buffer. We could even keep Kostka or Hunwick with the team until we needed to make a move.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:10 am EST

Following up on same cap numbers, if Moore signs between 800k-1.2m, and you add Lindberg (675k) and re-up Carcillo around 750k, it all fits; with around 400k to spare, maybe a little more pending price of DC & JM.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:44 am EST

Current Cap Space: $3,092,500..... Comprised of the following...Mueller, Kostka, Hunwick, Fast, sent down... JTMiller brought up... JMoore yet to be signed.....

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:51 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2166268-pavel-buchnevich-showing-signs-of-becoming-rangers-next-top-offensive-prospect

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:49 pm EST

MF... That is just a case of a guy reading Cap Geek and pulling a supposition out of his arse, There is plenty of money for both John Moore and Kevin Hayes. The Rangers could also have a roster of 21-22 players, depending on who makes the team this season. IMO, the holdup with Moore is over both money and years. I'm sure Moore would be willing to sign for less if he could get a 1-year deal so he could have arbitration leverage next season.The Rangers would probably like to sign him for $1.1 or less on a 2-year deal. Anyway, I'd bet it get's done before camp, no matter what Hayes does.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 17 2014 8:52 pm EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/08/17/new-york-rangers-john-moores-next-contract-may-depend-on-kevin-hayes-decision/

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:22 pm EST

Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztkr2S9oNGk

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:13 pm EST

Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y3hoEGIPMQ

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:11 pm EST

Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NqZQrDrNNk

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:03 pm EST

SEAN DAY: For those of you who follow the youth movement as they ascend the ranks, this 15 year old is the fourth player to be granted exceptional player status, following John Tavares in 2005, Aaron Ekblad in 2011 and Connor McDavid last season. Day is the first such player to not be taken first in the OHL draft..... I stumbled across his name while reading a McDavid article... This 15 year old is currently listed at 6'2" and 217 lbs.... The good news is we still have our 1st round draft pick 2 & 3 yrs from now "so" technically, we got a shot at him.... At 15, Sean Day has the poise in his speaking and his play of a college Freshman... here are some links for anyone interested...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebqHIlwx0U ....... http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/03/08/interview-sean-day-mississauga-steelheads-exceptional-player/ ....http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=664438 .....

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 6:22 pm EST

JD still bleeding Ranger blue does the ice bucket challenge(throws the gauntlet down for Glen Sather and Sam Rosen)... http://snyrangersblog.com/former-rangers/john-davidson/watch-jd-wears-old-rangers-gear-to-do-ice-bucket-challenge/ ....Marty St. Louis and Brad Richards do the Ice Bucket challenge... http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/watch-marty-st-louis-does-ice-bucket-challenge/ .....Derek Brassard does it too..... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/derick-brassard/watch-derick-brassard-does-ice-bucket-challenge/

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 17 2014 2:05 pm EST

Agreed on Hayes not coming here. Plenty of teams chasing him will pencil him right in.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 17 2014 1:33 pm EST

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Hayes signing with the Rangers. I think he is going to want to go to a team where he is pretty much guaranteed a spot in the lineup. My bet is he goes to Calgary to play with college teammate Johnny Gaudreau and have the opportunity to play a lot.

evets1980


Sun Aug 17 2014 12:13 pm EST

Pardon my rotten typing! :( I sometime use Hospo as my spellchecker.. :)

Ranger47


Sun Aug 17 2014 12:11 pm EST

TD: Of course there are some prospects who'd psyche is such that they need to be transitioned slowly. The team management needs to identify and nurture them. But there are probably as many or more who - based on their compeititve drive and history of success - will flourish when challenged at the NHL level. We'll need to see who is who when camp starts. I'm hoping that the taste JT got last year was enough for him to come in both physically and mentally ready to compete. I firmly believe Fasth and Lingberg will be pushing mgmt to find spots for them.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 17 2014 12:08 pm EST

RF4L: It will vary by player, of course. 3 of your examples were Dmen who tend to need more time to develop. We are seeing a lot more of teenagers starting in the NHL without all that AHL time. And, right or wrong, this is a trend we will continue to see as long as there is a cap which makes you play your borderline prospects to be able to pay the rest of the team. See how teams with injuries bring up prospects and they play fine (Philly and Boston come to mind in our conference). Some players need to play against better players to develop (while others can develop at a slower pace). But, to net what I was saying, IMHO we really need to give some of our prospects a real shot at making the team but playing them in their best position (even if that is a top line) rather than wean on a 4th line where their strengths are not showcased.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:58 am EST

Ranger47: I respectively disagree. I mean, do you really think a player cannot get better playing with those at his competitive level? Maybe if that player is a veteran, but we are talking about young developing players (oftentimes teenagers to boot). IMO, especially if it's a kid with perceived high-end skill, it's far safter (and therefore smarter) to let him dominate his own level before promoting him. Confidence plays an integral part in any athlete's ability to perform and that can be a fleeting thing with kids. So many of today's stars dominated their own age group before turning pro. Why Sather and company so often seem to behave contrary to that with their youth is beyond me. If you look at the current Ranger who were developed by the Rangers and playing well, none, IMO were rushed. Arguably the best is McDonagh and he spurned Sather's attempts to sign him early and played 3 college years before going pro (and started in the AHL). Staal played 2 years of junior after being drafted. Hags completed his college years. Callahan did an overage year (his choice, not Sather's). Kreider, like McDonagh, spurned Sather's overtures and played 3 years of college hockey. Girardi spent nearly 2 years in the minors. Stepan might be the only exception - one year after being drafted (2 years of college hockey) he went pro. But at least he was 20 at the time. Anyways, I think my point is clear....whether or not you agree with it is, of course, another thing altogether!!!

RF4L


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:45 am EST

mf: It's more than that - yeah his speed is top notch (amongst the fastest in the league) and yeah it stood out more when the team was slower, but it's what he does with that speed, did then and still does now. He gets in on the forecheck continually and makes things happen down low because of it. I didn't see Fast do that. That's what I was expecting to see because of the comparisons we heard so often, especially speed. That said, Kreider has the same speed and often is the first man deep but it took him nearly 2 years to start figuring out how to take advantage of that. Hopefully, Fast learns. The thing is, I saw the speed of Hags from the first game he played and I saw that speed from Kreider early on, too. I didn't see that from Fast.

RF4L


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:43 am EST

Gee, sorry to bore you Hospo LOL. Ive tried to make some subtle points regarding Lindberg. And I guess Id make that my final point as it relates to his readiness. Hes a subtle player, and IDK people whove seen him at a glance realize it. But I think the front office definitely has, and theyre quietly very high on him because of it. Youre right though, the proof will be in the pudding, and he & the other kids will have to beat pretty good NHL players to get in.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:31 am EST

Regarding the kids..just one big feedback cycle with all of us saying the same thing over and over...Everybody has some valid points...The only thing new over the last month is that they now have to compete with Lombardi and Stempniak...Bottom line, it will al be determined in camp and by AV..Should be an interesting month....

Hospo


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:28 am EST

I see no similarities whatsoever between Fast and Nemchinov. One guy had great balance, low center of gravity, real honed-in defensive player. Fast has looked like a flimsy little nothing to me, though I have seen him do a few nice thing am with the puck, and he seems positionally sounds. As Ola pointed out, the injuries have slowed him. And for a guy with his game, that could be the difference between the N and the A. Lindberg, BTW, has already played 4 years against men in Europe, and a 5th last year in Hartford. The kid won't wilt because he's playing against Wayne Simmons or whomever. The top tier guys, the Malkin's and Ovechkins? Everybody has trouble playing against them.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:15 am EST

stevielegs - I think we saw a glimpse of that in the conference finals...IMO, Miller has turned the corner and the only direction for him is up. Will be interesting to see how the HAYES situation shakes out because I think that will determine where/whether Miller ends up in the opening day lineup.

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:13 am EST

On FAST - I think he's a great example of a guy who needs to build some confidence in the AHL...His first game with the Whale, he was impressive...right out of the blocks...and then got injured in the third and was out...I still don't really know why AV kept him with the big club to start the season...but the player I've seen in the NHL isn't nearly the player I've seen play in the AHL...I think Fast is a very good prospect...I can't remember Nemchinov enough to compare the two, but I could see Fast putting up similar numbers. He's a shifty player with good speed and good moves...I don't think there's any comparing him to HAGELIN other than to say they're both Swedish and both somewhat undersized...just two totally different players. Hags uses his speed to get to the net...Fast can dangle.

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:13 am EST

Mentally mature is what jt jitters has not shown ... He has to prove to veenyo he is.... To be on the roster...

stevielegs


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:01 am EST

...er...dominating at the AHL level...

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 9:50 am EST

Ranger47 - There are many other sides to that argument...one is if you promote a kid to the NHL and he gets crushed by the big league competition and has his confidence dashed...then gets demoted and his it dashed further...or he gets to the NHL, shows he doesn't belong, but gets a big head and an attitude...and becomes un-coachable at the lower levels...two names come to mind...Manny MALHOTRA and Micheal DEL ZOTTO...two examples of guys who needed to be eased into the action...but ended up getting shoved into the NHL before they were mentally mature who had their careers stunted...I mean, there's really no clear blueprint for graduating players from the lower levels to the NHL, especially since some...Like LINDBERG...are coming from professional leagues that are on par or above the AHL...Lindberg is coming off of a hot streak in the AHL and was also among the guys on the cup finals taxi squad...he was training with the Rangers from the end of the Pack season until early June...what that means, IMO, is that he'll get a good look in camp and most likely be sent back to the minors to make the final step. Mind you, he had a good second half...he still wasn't dominating at the NHL...the only two guys I saw who instantly stood out last year were FAST and MILLER...KRISTO stood out in flashes...but was just too easy to knock off the puck, IMO...Now when you take a kid like MILLER...as JFC said...there's nothing left for him to do at the AHL level.

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 9:08 am EST

There's another aspect to being with the Rangers versus Hartford when a player is on the cusp, its hardly ever mentioned but important IMO. And that's practicing with the team, being coached in this case by AV & staff vs.Gernander, utilizing everything the big team has for training and prep, which is considerably more advanced for the NHL club. Just shooting on Hank everyday instead of Scott Stacer (or whomever the Pack has in net now), practicing against our D, one of the best in the world, makes a huge difference to offensive prospects especially, IMO. Also getting acclimated to the travel and game prep, which there's much more of than a few minor league bus trips, it all makes for a big adjustment. The quicker a kid gets used to all that, the better. And that's before any of the tutoring that comes from player to player, which can really only be found at the highest level for some of these top flight prospects and which they, the young players, say is invaluable. Case in point was Kreider last year saying at critical times for him, he got help in virtually every area from none other than Brad Richards. That's why for a kid straddling that middle AHL/NHL ground, there's more to it than just there minor league stats.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 16 2014 7:18 pm EST

Per Mark Divver.... Hearing that Kevin Hayes camp will spend Sunday narrowing list of NHL suitors, then speak with 4 to 5 finalists on Mon.

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 16 2014 6:13 pm EST

Stadium Series Sweep. Knocking out both Philly & Pittsburgh in long playoff series ... c'mon now, unbelievable. 3 OT games in the CUP Finals. That was a season for the ages!!

hipcheck


Sat Aug 16 2014 4:27 pm EST

BTW, does anyone else see a little of Sergei Nemchinov in Fasth's game? Not a bad player to have in the lineup!

Ranger47


Sat Aug 16 2014 4:12 pm EST

I'm far from a great judge of talent, but I like Fasth's overall game. I recall during and after training camp LAST YEAR that Dave Maloney said the player that most impressed him during camp was Fasth, So, I'm willing to believe that he has a good shot to make this team or be one of the first callups in the event of injury....

Ranger47


Sat Aug 16 2014 2:37 pm EST

RF: If memory serves me correctly, when hags cane in we were avg in the speed dept., so he stood out. Fast joins a squad that has Hag's, KK, JMoore, MCD, he doesn't stand out. I watched fast finish all his checks when they presented themselves, he played the corners, and I don't recall any defensive gaffs. This kid has at least the 3rd best set of wheels on this club..he also came in during a crucial time of the year for us...I'm partial to our guys, but I think we have a keeper here. Right handed shot to boot...

mf


Sat Aug 16 2014 1:41 pm EST

Ranger47 -- good points....there's no hard & fast rule about how much AHL ice time is ideal....it depends on the individual. Some players thrive when they play with better players, better line mates, better D partners....they rise to the level and feed off surrounding talent. Other guys get overwhelmed and lose confidence. One guy who really needs to stay away from the AHL at this point is JT Miller....he toys with the competition down there. He needs to be in the NHL to sink or swim at this point. I hope he busted his ass learning his responsibilities and getting physically primed....it's put up or shut up time for JT, IMO.

JFC31


Sat Aug 16 2014 12:44 pm EST

Just to chime in with another aspect of whether or not to send kids down or let them learn at the NHL level...It's been my experience in other areas of competition that ir's only when you play against people who are better than you that you really learn how to improve. Moreover, when you consistently play against those at about your skill level that you frequently fail to progress. Worse than that, you find ways to "outplay" them (or dominate) which actually can hurt you when you get to the next level. For example, hogging the puck and doing spinaramas which at the AHL level may make you a leading goalscorer there can be bad habits which need to be unlearned before you can really improve at the next level up where those moves simply do not work against better players. And, UNLEARNING bad habits usually are harder to do than learning new good habits. Just saying that I've both seen AHL players deemed to not be ready for the NHL come up and surprise at how well they fare against better players, and others who appeared to be ready to make the jump after dominating at the AHL level fall flat on their faces. So, the net is that you frequently need to really give your AHL-level prospects some quality time at the NHL level from time to time to know for sure when they're ready/

Ranger47


Sat Aug 16 2014 10:33 am EST

TD, as I've said before, I don't believe a player has to master a level to advance, learn and grow. And just cause a guy might hit a few bumps in the road, his confidence isn't necessarily damaged, and certainly not beyond repair. There's a flip side price to be paid when a guy is toiling in an inferior league and not learning. Only way to find out is to find out when these kids get close. Now on NASH, the team had to try to get better. They didn't have an excellent first line forward. One can argue whether Nash was one or not at the time of the deal, but for certain he was the best such option available. We can list the assets they gave up all day, you'd still have to show me the better player they gave up. Now, am I concerned they put all their eggs in one basket and it got Lucic'd? You bet I am, and as you point out, the combination of Nash & MSL gets to be an expensive outlay. It needs to work or something s going to have to be done with both of them.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 16 2014 10:23 am EST

TD: Re your Nash post. I don't disagree. My whole point was the Hawks are indeed a very well run franchise with 2 recent cups to their name and as we are saying, a feeder system that's overflowing and it all started via drafting at the very top (bottom?). That's how LA got 2 of their key players (Kopitar and Doughty). The Aves seemed poised to be a very good team for years to come - the same thing. It's not a guaranteed way to be successful, but damn it sure helps.

RF4L


Sat Aug 16 2014 10:20 am EST

Some of you guys are talking about Fast, Lindberg and Miller if they are sure things. IMO, that's getting ahead of the game. In the few games I saw of Fast, I wasn't at all impressed. So much has been written/said about him being comparable to Hagelin but I sure didn't see it - even the speed game Hags had I didn't see. Hags, on the other hand, impressed me the first game he was called up. Miller I see flashes, but until I see consistency in his game I'm reluctant to call him a sure thing. Lindberg I've not seen so there's no way I would be able to declare he's a sure thing. The reports on him are encouraging, especially that he was apparently the best Pack player in the 2nd half of last season. All that said, I'm not declaring the opposite either (that they are busts) - I just wanna see more from all 3 first.

RF4L


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:59 am EST

TDCHI - Taking that a step further, I don't think anybody contests that Lindberg, Fast or MIller will be good NHLers...the only things we differ on is when we feel they will be ready to contribute significantly and consistently and above what the Rangers already have....But lord knows there will be injuries and all three will get the chance to strut their stuff this season and determine where they belong

Hospo


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:35 am EST

RR - Don't get me wrong: I think Lindberg will be a fine NHLer. I like the kid's style. Unlike a guy like MILLER, he doesn't play a flashy game...he doesn't really stand out at first...but you know what? He's always in the right place at the right time... The goals he scores aren't highlight reel material, but they're goals...Last time I saw him live was in mid-March when the Pack were playing the Phantoms...He and FAST had some real nice chemistry...connected on a clutch PP goal from what I recall...That said, my opinion of him then was that he needed more time at that level to further hone his skills and more importantly, continue to build his confidence. The kid was starting to really come on the last couple of months...what he needs is to be the Pack's top-line center...he needs 18-19 minutes a game...he needs pivot a guys like KRISTO and FAST and become a point-per-game player...He's not going to get that in NY and my concern, aside from my thinking that he's not ready, is that if he loses confidence, he'll never meet his potential. I'd rather see Lindberg after mastering the AHL than rushed into a spot where he starts second-guessing himself and his instinct, which, IMO, is very good.

tdchi


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:14 am EST

No word on Willie Mays Hayes. Keep seeing he's supposedly tight with Kreider, but who knows if true & if it has any bearing.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:12 am EST

RF4L - Not to revisit the whole NASH argument...but that one trade badly damaged the Rangers' depth ...Now I know the prevailing thought here is that the Rangers got a player who then became damaged goods...but my thinking is that even Rick Nash of 2011-2012 on the Rangers wouldn't improve them enough that they'd have the cup right now...He's not a KANE or TOEWS and never was...The Hawks, though, continue to make smart picks...and they don't do these knee-jerk trades where they're throwing out three or four picks every year...The Rangers have picked very well in the draft and, were it not for Sather's constant tinkering, I think they'd be a lot better off...I've said it over and over again...had they built on the successes of 2011-2012...had they simply gotten rid of the main problem --the coach --I think they would have been in a much better place today...If you keep that roster together for the most part...if you scratch the Nash trade...if you scratch the horrid CLOWE deal...if you leave ST. LOUIS to pout in Tampa...you end up with three firsts a second, a third and a fifth. One of those firsts is about to be an NHLer too.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:47 pm EST

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/14/rangers-sign-veteran-forward-potulny-to-ahl-deal/

stevielegs


Fri Aug 15 2014 7:24 pm EST

Per Mark Divver of the Providence Journal tweet..... I'm hearing that Avalanche, Rangers, Bruins and Coyotes are in the mix for impending free agent Kevin Hayes of BC

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 15 2014 5:38 pm EST

You're on Hospo. I'll have Peroni's, thanks ;). There is one proviso I should mention, as we're both saying today we expect good things from Lombardi. If they guy comes back to the NHL as anywhere close to a 20/50 player he was in his best years, that's a very good player by todays standards, and therefore very difficult too unseat. I don't expect Lombardi to be quite there, but the guy is healthy and was playing well enough to lead all Czechs, so who knows? That stated, also not sure if Lombardi's good he doesn't end up with Zuc & Brass, which would again open up 3C for Oscar. But yeah, if he locks down 3/C, while I don't necessarily think its a reflection on Lindberg, you got it. What's your pleasure?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 5:19 pm EST

RABID - I'll make you the first wager of they year..12 pack of choice..At game 40 I say LOMBARDI....you say LINDBERGER..Anybody else it's a wash..

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 5:01 pm EST

And it's on: Chicago Blackhawks Vice President/General Manager Stan Bowman released the following statement regarding Kevin Hayes: “We offered Kevin what we believed was a generous and fair contract. Unfortunately, he felt it was in his best interests to become a free agent. We are looking forward to the compensatory draft pick we are receiving and are focused on the excitement surrounding the start of training camp next month.” Per the National Hockey League’s Collective Bargaining Agreement Article 8.3(b), the Blackhawks will receive a second-round pick (54th overall) in the 2015 NHL Draft.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 4:39 pm EST

TD, we've been down this road. The last time you saw Lindberg and the last time the Rangers saw him are two different things. Gorton says he's right there and its time to find out. So in about a month, we'll start finding out. But I don't think there's much doubt by game 40 that kid is firmly ensconced in that 3C spot. He is a frickin stud.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 4:18 pm EST

TD: Yep. And guess what? The 2 forwards you refer to where drafted 1st and 3rd overall. The Rangers comparable? Rick Nash who they paid a princely sum to acquire. And struggles in part to be who the Rangers need him to be because he is on his own in that regard.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 4:11 pm EST

a little schmaltz on deli rye........

mf


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:59 pm EST

TDCHI - For all our little disagreements, we often tend to agree on the bigger picture (well, except for kids vs vets..:)) if you look at my 12:22PM post where I said...One good thing about players like Moore, Lombardi and Stempniak is that they are very flexible..Hell, hthere's alot of flexibility in the entire roster..

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:56 pm EST

Messier11/RR You're both right to a degree...LINDBERG ain't ready. Or at least the last time I saw him play he wasn't...and I do think the Rangers see MILLER more as a wing, though I've always personally thought he looked good at center(see 2011 WJC)...But who knows? Maybe Lindberg busted ass all summer long and is ready to challenge...and on HAYES, I agree, there's very little room for him if the plans are to keep both he and Miller in New York...then again...if any of these names show they belong, it's not like they have any contract outside of NASH that they couldn't trade at a moments notice...the one thing I do like about the Rangers lineup right now is that it seems pretty versatile. Guys can be shifted around the four lines pretty easily.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:35 pm EST

Well, no Mess.Miller played wing in playoffs. IDK Lindberg has ever played wing. Who's a more ready NHL centerman? Idk, but Miller has looked much better to me at wing. But this is why they need camp and preseason and maybe 20 games to sort it all out. Someone will step up, someone will falter, someone will get hurt, and they'll see what's what. But if Hayes comes in I have no idea what to expect....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:17 pm EST

If Lindberg was more ready than Miller, he would have been getting Miller's minutes in the playoffs.

Messier11


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:04 pm EST

RF4L - Well, my first two choices are good drafting and not trading away their picks. Third choice would be making smart trades...and fourth choice would be because they have four franchise players(two up and two back) that allow them a lot more ability to let draft picks mature and to trade ancillary guys for more draft choices...but first and foremost, I'd say flat-out good drafting. A lot of these were mid- to late first-round picks..TERAVAINEN, who is absolutely blue chip, was picked 18th overall...a slot that probably could have been grabbed for a first and a second...and they took HARTMAN with the 30th overall...a spot they could have grabbed probably for a second and a third rounder... I remember some of them(Hayden for instance) were mid-round picks...Some of them were flat-out overlooked by the Rangers...I see some of these kids in the WJC and it always amazes me when teams pass them up...Hartman is a great example. No idea how the kid slipped to 30th after his performance...but anyway...no sense in crying over wasted draftpicks.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:49 pm EST

Definitely Hospo, that's what AV look as for, pairs with chemistry. That's why I'm hoping Hagelin & Lindberg mesh well, two smart all-around swedes. Add a good vet and its a nice line. But who knows, AV also wants net presence, and between MSL & Nash he might not be satisfied. You could end up with Tanner Glass with Nash & Derek Stephan LOL. No way to know right now. But Gorton did make it a point to say how versatile Lombardi is, that he can play wing and kill penalties. Think he's definitely penciled in for a semi-prominent role on this team.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:41 pm EST

RABID - Agree and disagree...I have had LOMBARDI slotted at 3rd C from the day he was signed, and I think that is why he has signed..And I do agree that they would rather have MOORE as the steady 4th C....I also think the Rangers want to give LINDBERG a little more time in the AHL....All this being said, I just want to remain open, and hope the Rangers are, to any and all alternatives that will make the team strongest..WHo knows which chemistry will develop between which players?

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:37 pm EST

And obiviously, if they line up as I think they might, they have too many wingers by one. That's before potentially signing Hayes, another guy who doesn't exactly fit, and why I'll doubt it until it happens. But I do think they feel JT is better suited for wing rich now, less responsibility, more meat & potatoes spot for him to grow. Same time, they gave Glass a pretty big deal and need his toughness, so I don't see him sitting much. And someone still has to play out of position to get MSL top minutes and make it all fit. So, for instance, if they line up Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, MSL-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Lombardi, no room for JT Miller. Same goes with any other combo, we're one forward over, though they need to carry 13. But that doesn't count Carcillo who I still hope gets in somehow, and leaves no shot for Haggerty, Fast, Hayes or any other surprises. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:11 pm EST

Meant they wouldnt move Moore from 4/C for Boyle, theyre not movin him now. They want Moore as their 4th line center. Perfect spot for him, thus the 3yr deal.he doesnt have the offense for 3C. All their other options would provide more O. I maintain Lindberg is who they envision there, 3C. Lombardi is insurance if Oscar doesnt make it. Otherwise hes a wing. Miller at wing somwhere, same for Stemp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:57 pm EST

TD: And you know why the Hawks system is so stacked...

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:42 pm EST

I think its a reach to say that because Rangers were unwilling to give Boyle shot at 3rd line, they intend to give shot to Moore. Both had shots last season and both returned shortly to 4th line. Lombardi definitely pencilled in for third. Moore definitely pencilled in for fourth.

Messier11


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:28 pm EST

RABID - I don't get what you're saying...Not guaranteeing Brian Boyle and his lack of speed/offense during the regular season (compared to his value during the POs) a 3rd C spot over Moore may be a sign that they are willing to go with Moore as a 3rd C..At the least, if this is how they stay, Moore should get as much consideration as Lombardi, the kids, and whoever else as the C between Hagelin and whoever

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:04 pm EST

Brian Boyle left because they wouldnt let him play 4th line center over Moore. Theyre not moving Moore. One of Lombardi, Lindberg, Miller or Stempniak will end up there IMO. And isnt this kid Hayes a lefty shooting RW? Ill take him, but really no room on rt. Side. would prefer RHS LW. But who knows what deals they can swing down road if they sign him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:25 pm EST

TDCHI - Ah, NICK SCHMALTZ, now you're talking! Don't know one thing about him but i like the name....Almost as good as Bobby Schmautz!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:22 pm EST

TDCHI -Since the FA signings, I have been a proponent of a fast, physical 4th line of GLASSS-MOORE-MILLER....But, I have no problem if it's LOMBARDI instead of Moore..I can see eiher of those two as the 3rd line C depending on how they fit in with the wingers..Let the postion battles begin..At theri career best, LOMBARDI is the better choice for 3rd C but tat isn't likely what we will get...Let them earn it...One good thing about players like Moore, Lombardi and Stempniak is that they are very flexible..Hell, hthere's alot of flexibility in the entire roster..

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:16 pm EST

RF4L - Hawks WANT to sign him...he just doesn't want to play in the AHL and there's a 100 percent chance that's where he ends up in Chicago...there's barely enough room in the lineup for Teuvo TERAVAINEN...who is an even better prospect...and then they have Mark McNEILL, Matt CAREY, and Joakim NORSTROM all knocking on the door...They're still trying to find ice for Ben SMITH and Marcus KRUGER, two very good forwards in their own right...and the kid I like the most, Jermey MORIN...Then in the system...Ryan HARTMAN...Vince HINOSTROZA..Tyler MOTTE..John HAYDEN...and now Nick SCHMALTZ...the Hawks depth at forward is just ridiculously good...They're system is like a who's who of future NHLers from the USNTDP...They could take a chance, sign Hayes and play him in the bottom three...take the chance he's not that great and end up with a low-round pick or nothing from him...or they can let him walk and get a second rounder next year, which, given his draft selection, is really the safest bet to make.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:04 pm EST

Hayes sweepstakes starts at Midnight on Aug. 17(Sunday). Problem with Boston is they have NO cap space and haven't even signed Reilly SMITH or Torey KRUG...those two will eat up all the SAVARD cap space when it comes off...Not that the Rangers have a lot either...With Mueller, Kostka, Hunwick, and Fast on the books...but Miller not...they have $1.3 million...Take those four off and you have $2.6 million extra...I think...three are on one-way contracts, so I don't know how that impacts the cap...regardless...I'm thinking the chances the Rangers land Hayes right now is slim, just given the roster spaces available.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:44 am EST

Count me in as one hoping the Rangers land this Hayes kid, for reasons that are very obvious. Why on earth are the Hawks playing hardball with this kid? Or is he looking at that organization and thinking 'I'll be in the AHL for 2 years or more before I get a sniff'?

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:42 am EST

IMO, the Rangers should be pencilling Moore as the 4th line center, with lots of PK duty. He seems to excel there, with the ability to step into the 3rd line center position in a pinch. I find when he plays there regularly, he's not so effective - maybe he feels the pressure to generate more offensive? Dunno. Lombardi is certainly a wildcard, given the fact that he's not accomplished anything of note at the NHL level for a few years, but before then, did. I suspect if he proves worthy, that's where he'll end up.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:27 am EST

RF4L - Heh...the first names I saw in that video were Amonte, Huselius and Hamerlik...all retired...anyway, we kind of got a little off-topic here...the original convo was about where LOMBARDI sits on the depth chart and if he is third line, will he compensate for what was lost with RICHARDS. My theory was that MOORE gets moved to third line and Lombardi swaps between LW and C on the fourth line...and therein lies the disagreement. No doubt, the guy has speed and, judging by that video, hands to boot. I just don't think the Rangers signed him expecting 40-plus points this season...My thinking in the DORSETT and BOYLE moves is that AV wants more speed and more offense out of his fourth line...getting MILLER and LOMBARDI on a line with GLASS is a good way to do that. Maybe Lombardi centers third with HAGELIN and STEMPNIAK for a burner line...I don't know...I just have a feeling they're going to give Moore a larger role and that would be a spot as third-line center.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:08 am EST

Meant to say, kid is a Boston product. My guess is he lands there, but you never know!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:03 am EST

If Calagary's not in the mix, Rangers might have a real shot. Hayes I believe hits FA midnight tomorrow. Mark Divver @MarkDivver I'm hearing that Avalanche, Rangers, Bruins and Coyotes are in the mix for impending free agent Kevin Hayes of BC. 7:59 PM - 14 Aug 2014

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:00 am EST

RABID - Hey, everybody's a Cup contender before the season starts!! I hear ya...They have not put together the type of team I would have (not enough size up front) but it's a team with a good Goalie and defense and ALOT of speed, skill, talent and experience up front. And a few kids knocking at the door. It could be a hell of alot worse!!! Of course, none of this will stop me/us from arguing the small points!!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:55 am EST

Kreider absolutely is a guy they need to max out, which is why I want him with Zuc & Brass. Again, most of Kreider's goals came from in front, and nothing wrong with that, we'll take'm. But he has an overpowering shot, and really should add to his slot goals with some from the high slot/outside. And I think he's just now really getting the knack for sneaking behind defenses, and everyone on the ice with him is now looking for a chance to spring him. In short, he should jump from the 17-20 goal range to the 27-30's. Even so, regular season goals don't mean as much to us anymore. But I want to see guys playing to higher levels. And not to start trouble, but you lose Stamkos as a center and gain Brad Richards, umm..... not quite as good for the goal scoring haha..

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:44 am EST

Oh, and I know MSL is a finisher. Well, was a finisher. He struggled at that as a Ranger and I'm not sure why, although age has to be a factor. That and the realization he's likely garnering more attention as a Ranger because the opposition doesn't have to worry about Steve Stamkos scoring a hattrick a night.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:43 am EST

And what a huge boost if Dan Boyle is able to address what we've known has been a huge gap on the PP - an offensive QB from the backline.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:41 am EST

RR: Not sure if I concur about the 'real offensive upside', especially if Rick Nash continues to prod along offensively (that is score streaky and end up for 30 or so goals). I do agree, however, that if several cylinders all click, scoring shouldn't be an issue most nights. That said, the only real finisher on the club at this point is Nash. It would be nice if someone else steps up to share the burden. Could that be Kreider? Perhaps. For sure if he continues to play the way we saw him play in the POs and show some maturity as a finisher, that'll go miles towards helping (cuz yeah, he capitalizes on a couple of those glorious chances in the LA series and most definitely that series wouldn't have ended in 5 games). It's worrisome to me however.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:40 am EST

Atta Boy Hospo, no reason not to be upbeat considering where this franchise is. I'll do you one better, and this is really a lifelong thing, worrying about this & that when it comes to the Rangers. I'm going to try to not worry about ANY of it this year and just enjoy as the season unfolds. Rather than worrying about Nash's concussions and Staal's vision and Brassard's shoulder, etc, its too much. They're pros, they've had ample (if short) recovery time, and are all training in earnest right now. They're got about a month till camp, and if AV is smart - and I think he is - he'll allow guys (especially Lundqvist) to ease their way back in a bit, considering how late and how hard they played. If guys go down, they'll call up replacements or go outside and get what they need.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:35 am EST

Was just looking at & thinking same thing RF, watching some clips of Lombardi. With the talk about speed, its what you do with it. Case in point, its still hard for me to think of Kreider's breakaway chances in the SCFs. Argh! So, not doubting we should get plenty of chances, but will these guys finish? That goes for all of them, from Hags to Stepan to Nash. If so, we've got a chance to be a very solid offensive club. Maybe even a little scary, if by committee. Stempniak buried 27 years ago (8yrs ago, so not to get crazy), then was used in different roles. St Louis I consider more of a playmaker nowadays, but the little bugger certainly can finish in the right situations. Zuc I think has more to give shooting the puck, as does Kreider. Lindberg's got a nasty wrist shot if he makes it. Hell, even Miller handles the puck real well, and certainly finished in Hartford. AND I think the D can give more. Staal came back and was mostly solid defensively in the POs, but his offensive game was near non-existant. John Moore absolutely can provide more. We already expect more from Boyle than Stralman, but Girardi is another guy who used to chip in offensively, then went silent in the post season. So we've got some real offensive upside IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:33 am EST

RF4L - The good thing about Lombardi's concussion issues is that there haven't been any since 2010 when he sat out the year..I don't really see him being any more prone to concusions as anybody on the Rangers...From what I have read, the issues with Toronto and ANaheim seemed more related to a messed up shoulder/labrum whuich he tried to play through--unsuccesfully--for awhile....Like you said, I think this is a very low risk/high reward move that may turn out to be very shrewd...Hey, just trying to be optimistic before the season!!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:13 am EST

Here's an array of Lombardi highlights from his Calgary days. Depicted is clear indication of his speed, but check out his moves and hands. Quite impressive indeed. I am fairly confident he doesn't drive to the net like he is in many of these clips, but that speed, those moves and hands are God-given. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v32nT1ePBU

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:03 am EST

From what I can ascertain, there's no direct video available depicting the collison that caused Lombardi's concussion, but here's an interesting account of it, including some still photos that show Lombardi bumping shoulders with an opposing player before going what appears to be head first into the boards. http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2010/10/18/1759441/matthew-lombardis-injury-a-hard-tumble-into-the-boards

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:58 am EST

FWIW, I don't think believing that Lombardi can be a valuable Ranger this year is unrealistic. I do, however, think it would be foolish counting on that because as is being pointed out, he's suffered some serious injuries, the worse, of course, being that concussion that kept him out of hockey for over a year. Interestingly enough, it didn't occur via a violent/illegal/nasty hit; instead he lost his footing and slammed into the boards. Nonetheless, as we've discussed on here numerous times, bad concussions often serve to scare the bejesus out of the victim (understandably so given the symptoms, the unpredictable recovery period and all the noise about it being linked to brain disease once middle age is reached) and that, in turn, results in subtle and quite frequently not-so-subtle changes in style. Those changes in style are never to the betterment of the player's effectiveness, either. I didn't see him much before he got traded to Toronto, but as a Leaf, his speed was evident (ala Hagelin in fact) but he certainly didn't show much offensively (8 goals and 18 points in 62 games). In his defense, however, that was the year he returned to the ice after missing more than a year with that concussion. IMO, he's without a doubt another reclamation project in a long line of such projects for Sather. This one, however, unlike many previously, is low risk/high reward IMO.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:50 am EST

TD: I share your excitement about Walcott. I sure hope the Traverse City tourney is broadcasted - I'd love to see this kid play firsthand. If what I read and understand about him is accurate he indeed, could be the steal of the draft. All that said, this is what happens when you cheer for a team that trades away high draft picks - you gotta cling to sleeper picks for excitement when it comes to prospects (because like you, that's one of the things I enjoy about being a dedicated fan - anticipating the future).

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:45 am EST

I'm expecting Lombardi to be a quality player for us. I'm sure he'll need to make a few adjustments, and those will come in scrimmages and preseason and such. I think this guy was a little swiss secret they had all along, knowing they'd lose a few guys in free agency but be able to overcome it in part by adding a player in the style they want to play going forward. I only had a faint memory of Lombardi, he was a guy that was coming on for a few years and then disappeared. But just check youtube and youll see, heavens, what a burst this fella has. Hagelin's probably not the fastest guy on the team anymore. But between Lombardi, Kreider it really doesn't matter, no one is catching any one of them if they break free. And again, this is where a guy like Dan Boyle can prove to be invaluable. If he catches these guys in flight with sharp passes, we're going to be a nightmare for teams to defend.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:05 am EST

TDCHI - Again, disagree, he played in EUROPE ONE year, his entire life in NA and against NHL players or NHL players to be....Agree that EXPECTING 20 goals/30 assists is wrong but, if healthy, the track record against NHLers could mean we have a fine 3rd line C..Oh well, camp will show what we have in him and the kids

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 8:46 am EST

Hospo - It's always an adjustment, IMO. You get used to having that extra space...that split second of time you have in the larger rinks...not saying it's going to be like a kid coming over from Europe for the first time...I'm just saying if fans or the Rangers are expecting LOMBARDI to hop in and score 20 goals and 50 points, they're all in for a very rude awakening.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 8:41 am EST

Some small news, Daniel WALCOTT, the Rangers fifth-round draft pick, was named captain of Blainville-Boisbriand Armada in the QMJHL...which indeed is small news...but no so much when you take into context this kid basically came out of nowhere(i.e. club hockey in the NCAA) to lead a Canadian junior team..What happens from here is beyond me, but if there's one thing I can respect in a player is when one basically starts from the bottom rung and makes there way toward the top. All signs are saying this kid could be a big sleeper.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:51 pm EST

My first instinct would be to offer Staal 3yrs/$16-18, but he wouldn't sign it LOL. Or, he might want to, but his agent wouldn't let him, not with Matt Niskanen getting $47M. I dont like any of the long term deals, starting with Hank's. Girardi's is reasonable but long. Nash's we didn't negotiate but are sure responsible for. St Louis doesn't get another deal from us unless Sather's smokin the hookah. But that's the group, in whole or in part that Idk is here in two years if this team doesn't win soon.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:29 pm EST

RR et al: maybe I'm making this more difficult than need be, but with STAAL, when, for how long & for how much do you offer him in contract? Another multi-faceted decision, in this case due to injuries, & the cap.... If he didn't sustain the injuries, there would be no questions, I/we would sign him & lock him up a bunch of years, so I guess that's the answer.......

mf


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:00 pm EST

I share your trepidation, MF, but Staal is a different case IMO. He's rebounded slightly better than the other two, but the big thing is I just don't see them disrupting their Top 4 in a go-for-it year. And ideally you'd want Staal signed to a reasonable deal in order to move him, not a walk year. So I just don't see it now, but with young guys pushing it may become a possibility in the next year or two.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:49 pm EST

*grade*

LeoS


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:48 pm EST

I heard the concussion had officially been downgraded to a Grede III Ice Cream Headache.

LeoS


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:06 pm EST

Hank does the best dressed Ice Bucket challenge.... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/henrik-lundqvist/watch-henrik-lundqvist-does-ice-bucket-challenge-for-als/ ....Three men in a tub... Staal, Stepan and Girardi ....http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6514/staal-step-and-girardi-ice-bucket-challenge#.U-1ppbxdU08 ....Danny Kristo Ice Bucket challenge....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tb9SRxqRUY ....Bob... I heard that Nash gave himself another concussion from his Ice Bucket challenge.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 8:52 pm EST

Bob better than getting another concussion

stevielegs


Thu Aug 14 2014 7:24 pm EST

Rabbit: based upon "that" post concussion syndrome model, we should be trading Marc Staal. Outside of a few & far between excellent defensive plays, we have Marc the Mediocre, soon to command 5-6 mill per. IMO, he did not have a good playoffs. So, we trade him???

mf


Thu Aug 14 2014 5:50 pm EST

Ouch.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 5:40 pm EST

I hear that Rick Nash did the ALS Bucket Challenge but when he dumped the ice water he missed his own head wide. Is this true?

Bob


Thu Aug 14 2014 4:52 pm EST

I'll shock the hell outta you, TD, by agreeing almost entirely. Richards was damaged goods when he got here, I saw it his first shift. Just like Nash, these PCS victims seem to have very brief moments of returning to their former selves, only to revert back to a 'less than' state. I don't know know we ever got to see the player Richards really was here, except in a few tiny instances. I also agree on GWGs, they can be entirely misleading, as can many stats.(e.d. somebody posted advanced stats for Tanner Glass the other day showing possession suffered when he was on ice; but unless you know he's used a lot as a PKer, youre not taking that with the proper grain of salt)what you'd need to do is access BRs numbers for GTGs and -1/-2 G's which are kept by the club but not available online to my knowledge. But I'd bet you anything in Richards case,most off memory, he didn't score many big goals for this team, didnt make many big plays at big times. He definitely didn't in the post season. And really, I couldn't stand the sight of him when he was here, so certainly don't want to spend anymore time on him now that he's thankfully gone.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 4:01 pm EST

WOW one fact.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:57 pm EST

And Lombardi's issues with his shoulder had to do with a torn labrum that finally had to be operated on way too late...Not the type of injury that is "one hit away"..I just have a good feeling that Lombardi is gonna shine for the Rangers...Then again, I felt the same about KASPARITIS!

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:52 pm EST

TDCHI - why will he have to adjust the smaller ice surfaces? it's what he played on his entire life and succeeded pretty well at it , scoring OVER 46 POINTS THREE times. The guy knows how to play....Agree that health is a worry....but why the contract was for 750K..If healthy, he's a slam dunk over the Rangers not ready for prime time top 9 kids...JMWO..He's hurt, JT and Oscar get their shot.!

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:38 pm EST

Bob/Hospo - See I wish I could be that confident...I don't see the same track record with reclamation projects...I see a GM that is forced to play players that don't cost much(Pouliot, Stralman and Boyle) and them pretty much playing the way the would on any other team that would give them playing time...Pouliot is the one I single out the most, since his stats with the Rangers literally match his career averages on other teams...I guess you could say he was a little more consistent throughout the season...I see LOMBARDI as a guy who is going to struggle to get back into the NHL and will have to adjust to both the smaller ice surface and the notion that one more hit will likely end his career. That's not someone you bring in as your third-line center, especially if AV is going to again roll three lines.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:34 pm EST

RR - Not to beleaguer this any more, but RICHARDS has had a number of concussions in his career...and the last right before he signed with the Rangers...He was out for an entire month of the season with a concussion in 2010-2011....and then there was this, which happened in 2013...strangely around the same time he really started to go south for the Rangers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmXOjTMjN_4...now if we're going to argue that NASH's play is a result of concussions, then wouldn't we say the same thing for Richards? Also, the GWG...while it's a nice fantasy stat...it's almost as useless as +/- unless it's taken within context of each individual game....a guy who scores a lot of goals is going to have a better chance of scoring game-winners....and the sad reality of that stat is that if you score the fourth goal in the first of a 4-0 blowout and the team you're playing lands three goals over the next two periods, you get the GWG...Conversely, if you score the first, third, fourth and fifth goal in a 5-1 blowout, all you get are those goals...even though you almost singlehandedly lead the offense... And lastly, even if Richards scored 100 points and won the cup in NY, he was getting bought out. There was no way to keep him. Everyone knew it. The Rangers made a business decision...and I guarantee Richards' history of concussions had something to do with it too...Rangers were about to get stuck with a very expensive bill...one that would have meant they'd need to get rid of a guy like STEPAN or McDONAGH or KREIDER if Richards wasn't bought out...Your points are made on emotion and I get that. Frankly, I never cared about Richards. I didn't want to trade for him...I was ambivalent to his signing...shrugged when he didn't live up to expectations...and ultimately cheered for him to rebound, because it was the only way the Rangers were going to win with the team they had last year. I think he played his heart out in NY and know he did something no other center has done since MESSIER, which is help get the Rangers into the cup finals. Your disdain for him(or those who signed him) perplexes me, but it's something I can live with. I just don't think very many Ranger fans agree with you. Especially not here.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

Enforcers on the way out?...http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2161015-10-nhl-enforcers-least-likely-to-find-work-in-the-2014-15-season..While I agree that there is definitety some credence to this view, especially for later on in the season and the POs, I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of those enforcers are on opening night rosters...March 2015 is another story!

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 12:21 pm EST

Fact, as per Glen Sather; $27M buyout. Bye Brad. FACT.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:51 am EST

So it's Richards fault the coach kept putting him out on the point for the pp? If he does good in Chicago is because he fits their system? Why wasn't he bought out last year ? Everyone has an opinion but who has the facts on sather and veenyo's opinions ? At league minimum they wouldn't keep him? But did at $6 mil... Got it....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:51 am EST

Unusual for me, but I am going to give the Rangers the benefit of the doubt on Lombardi. I would say that this current regime's track record on reclamation projects (Sather with AV)is pretty good. D Moore, Pouliot produced well. and I am going to assume Lombardi will until he proves me wrong. AV existed for years in the Western conference and knows these players well. That I also why I have not bitched about Tanner Glass..................yet.

Bob


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:51 am EST

In the hopes of sequeing a way from Richards for good, it should be pointed out no team is perfect. Sure, we had a major problem with the PP point, and not near rugged enough for my tastes. BUT, this was easily the most complete team of the Sather era, combined with a coach I concurred with about 90% of the time. Its why I laugh at things like these latest prospect rankings putting us 28th or whatever. Our young guys are on the team, making an IMPACT. And if you look at teams 27-28yrs and younger, I can't think of many who match the NYR. I just love our young core, and they're not done improving. Another example would be HAGELIN, a highly intelligent kid who showed in the POs IMO he's much more than a Todd Merchant. How much better is he going to be next year? And that's why I haven't freaked with some of these patchwork signings. Our No. 1 priority was a point man, and we got a good one. The Stemps & Lombardi's will make or break on their own, but the thing that can really put this team in another place is one or more of the kids, Miller, Lindberg, hell even a kid like Haggerty (of whom I know next to nothing about) making a contribution, adding fresh legs and some ambition and hunger. So I think this team is largely in very good - to-excellent shape. Its a long year, plenty of time to sort, or make a deal. And I do think Carcillo finds his way back to us, maybe on a camp tryout, etc, which I'd definitely welcome

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:17 am EST

TDCHI - Totally disagree with you on LOMBARDI who I think will turn out to be a very important player for the Rangers...The guy lost one year to concusion...but since then no reoccurrence...His next tow years were a mess as he struggled with SHOULDER injuires....The one thing the guy always had is SPEED, he is fast as hell and can play the offensive game at a high speed ..ALso, when healthy, a pretty good FO guy, better than anybody but MOORE on the Rangers,..And a good PKer,,,.He hasn't had one injury to his his lifeline---his legs...so , I 'm sure he is almost as quick and fast as he was...which fits right into the Rangers games....He also kills Penalties....I think what his year in SWITZ showed was that he was healthy and leading any league in scoring is not too bad of a sign about his offensive game and speed,....Persoanllay, I don't think the Rangers are at all enamored (for this year) with any of the kids as big time contributors.....And I also think they brought LOMBARDI in with the idea, if healthy, he would likely be a 3rd line C....The only worry I have with Lombardi is HEALTH, not the concussion, but can his shoulders stand up to the NHL pounding? That's why it's good to get the kids ready as well..

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:08 am EST

TD, Dom Moore isn't getting anywhere near 3rd line center IMO. One of Lindberg, Lombardi, Stemniak or Miller will end up there, again, just an opinion. Moore just doesn't have the offense, that was glaring after a few games, where he filled in (admirably) in the POs. Now Richards, working backwards, yeah, he's dead to me, playing for another team. But I'm in a minority? Maybe here, but the NY Ranger brass agreed with me enough to write him a fat check and make him UFA. You also compare him to Nash, a guy with multiple concussions. Not fair, but if you insist, as I pointed on last night, for guys with similar point totals, there was BR with 2 GWGs while Nash had 9. Again, to each his own, and I'd just as soon move on. Many more interesting things to talk about. But for the 10th time, I don't have a grudge (or whichever word you used) against Richards's personally. My beef was with Sather & AV. And as NYStranger (I think it was) said, they tried to trade him, I believe quite hard. Up until they realized obtaining MSL could be a reality. But the notion of reuniting the two didn't work, BR on the PP most certainly didn't work, and the cumulative effect IMO may well have cost us the Stanley Cup.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:40 am EST

mf - Even discounting the larger rinks over in Europe, you're on a real slippery slope if you're looking at LOMBARDI'S Swiss stats and thinking they're indicative of what he'll do with the Rangers...the guy has shown he can score in the NHL...But so did Peter MUELLER...and the last time he played here, he landed 17 points in 41 games...Lombardi, I suspect, was grabbed for fourth line center or wing. I know the guy had his issues with concussion and all, but he hasn't done anything statistically significant in the NHL since 2009-2010...you don't grab a guy like that expecting him to fill the role of a player who landed 20 goals and 50 points...I suspect Dom MOORE will be the "new" Richards so to speak...he's solid in the FO circle(54 percent) and has played the role numerous times before in his career...And this is just speculation on my part...but I have a feeling that's one of the reasons BOYLE left...that he and everyone else on the team knew that third-line center position was opening up and the Rangers wouldn't promise it to him 'cause they had their eye on Dom Moore...who played there for a game after STEPAN'S injury...I see HAGELIN-MOORE-STEMPNIAK as our third and MILLER/ LOMBARDI-GLASS as our fourth, with a footnote of Chris MUELLER if Miller inexplicably can't make the team.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Rhet- I've seen a lot of Buch last season and early this season (those games in Canada). There is no real knock on him in terms of flaws, he is a smart and very dilligent scorer. Makes a lot of small plays. He got spectacular moves in him, a good shot, sees the ice well etc. Skates well and has very decent size. Reminds me a lot of Louie Eriksson. HOWEVER, there is some kind of "aber" in the midst of this. Buch is like a scoring a winger, you should never say never but his game is -- much -- less suited as a checkiong line winger compared to say Lauri Korpikoski. We basically ice three interchangable lines etc., and I wouldn't like to say that he is not a 3rd lineer, but more or less he has to play a fair amount in a scoring role to play his game if you get what I mean. Those roles in the NHL aren't that common, and the competition for them is extreme. So from my point of view, Buchnevich is like a bit better prospect than Lauri Korpikoski was, and LK was a very good prospect who made it to the NHL quite easily and is having a decent career. But Buchnevich -- despite being better than Korpi -- will have a bit tougher to find a role in the NHL. You know.

Ola


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:24 am EST

Like it or not, RR, you're in a small minority in your thoughts on RICHARDS. No doubt, the guy slowed down considerably during the stretch...but he also ended up on the third line. We can argue about whether that was because he played his way there or if it was a factor of the ZUCC line's dominance down the stretch or both...And I'll give you this: He didn't do statistically well during the last two months of the season...22 games, 4 goals, 5 assists, and -3....add that with his playoff performance and you get 47 game, 9 goals, 12 assists and -5..a total of 21 points...Not what I'd call a $6.6 million performance...but...statistically what you'd expect from your third-line center...but for argument's sake, let's compare him with the other guy making big bucks: Rick NASH scored 7 goals and 4 helpers over those last 22 games, going +5...add in his playoff performance and he went the final 47 games with 10 goals, 11 assists and +4...for...21 points..so aside from their differential, they were essentially equal statistically...Only Nash earned $1.2 million more, is four years younger AND was skating on first line during that whole stretch...so if you're going to throw stones at Richards, then you better keep a few handy for the other guy who sucked down the stretch...Even if you look at all this and STILL say Richards was some sort of pariah that AV chased out of his lineup, it still doesn't discount the fact that he was signed by one of the consistently best teams in the league DESPITE them having significant cap troubles...And by all reports, he wasn't signed to play a bottom line role. They see him as a top-six guy...enough that one of their top rookies could end up in Rockford...one of their top draft picks could end up on another team AND one of their top-nine guys could end up traded...The Hawks didn't sign Richards just because he was cheap. They signed him because they see him as a contributor, knowing full-well what he has left in the tank...So again, everyone here gets that you got an ax to grind with the guy...you don't like him...and that's why --as you previously stated --the digging for truth I just did will likely get scrolled through. If you want to be honest, just say you don't like the guy and let's move on. Don't try to tell us that he didn't make a difference...The only point you have that could be true --though I tend to doubt it --is that the Rangers won't miss Richards one iota...The only way that's true is if someone steps up and puts points on the board like he did for three quarters of the season and a new leader emerges in the locker room. The RICHARDS topic is a dead horse and really, at this point, who cares? He's a Hawk next season and until the Rangers play the Hawks, who cares?

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:52 am EST

The Rangers are ranked 28th in Corey Pronman’s rankings of each organizations “prospect pipeline.” (ESPN Insider) He puts the Rangers at 28th because Chris Kreider and JT Miller are considered to be “graduates” and because they have dealt away their first round pick the last two years. (ESPN Insider) Pronman adds that he really likes Pavel Buchnevich but all the other prospects need to improve to be considered “top prospects.” (ESPN Insider) He adds that Dylan McIlrath’s development has been on the “slow side.” (ESPN Insider)

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:42 am EST

Mats Zuccarello says that he feels he has become part of the Rangers “core” and that has allowed him to feel “slightly” more comfortable heading into this season. He adds that he feels a responsibility to be one of the Rangers leaders. (TV2) He said that the Rangers “probably” would have given him a longer-term contract if not for the salary cap and that he can sign a new deal during the season or wait until after the year to become a free agent and sign anywhere. He said that he will control the position he will be in, whether teams will want him or not, based on how he plays this season. (TV2) Zuccarello “claims” that there is an “agreement” between he and the organization that he will be the next player to get a long-term deal after he “sacrificed” that this summer to sign a one-year deal and help the team’s salary cap situation. (TV2)

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:35 am EST

The knock on Buchnevich has been that he cherry picks and may be a bit soft, but he has bulked up and looked strong on the puck in camp. Hopefully, he also shows some ability to play some responsible defense this season. I guess we'll see how he looks in likely what will be his last KHL season. The Rangers have the same problem with Anthony Duclair this season that they had with Christian Thomas in the past. Duclair is dominating at the Junior level, but because he turns only 19-years-old in August, the Rangers have limited options with him (players drafted from the Canadian junior leagues are not eligible to play in the AHL until they are 20-years-old). He has nothing left to prove at the Junior level, yet it's where he's stuck playing (unless he makes the Rangers out of camp). Thomas went through a similar situation where he posted 99 points in 66 games, but then regressed his following season when he had to stay in Juniors.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 8:23 am EST

Pavel Buchnevich is listed 26th on Corey Pronman’s list of the top 100 NHL prospects. (ESPN Insider) Based upon his “dynamic skill level, offensive instincts and good wrist shot,” if Buchnevich comes to North America the Rangers will have a “legit” high-end talent. (ESPN Insider) His season last year was the third highest point total for an under 19 player in the history of the KHL. (ESPN Insider) Anthony Duclair was listed as one of the prospects who “just missed.” (ESPN Insider)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 13 2014 10:23 pm EST

Enjoyed YOUR contributions. And haven't said it but will now,I don't tink it was his contract at all, but in the end it was a convenient if expensive excuse.I don't believe Rangers would have Richards back for the league MINIMUM. He does not fit AVs speed game, to say the least, and they want to go in a different direction with that spot. All that talk to the contrary was just that, talk. Being polite because they genuinely liked Richards and respect the career he's had. No reason they could show some decency about it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 10:16 pm EST

E, it is good to see you here, always enjoyed my our contributions. The last one maybe not so much LOL. of course my statement on Richards (and I'd prefer not to make any more statements on him at this point) holds water, a reservoir full. But if you mean I should spent time digging up a boatload of stats to support the assertion, only so they can be ignored or someone can change the subject, umm, no thanks. Richards had his 50 pts, and just 2 GWGs. Nash, by contrast, had 9. Richards posted goose eggs in the finals, and wasn't much better on the semis. And sure, if I wanted to go through his game log and do math all night, I could show the majority of his points came before the halfway point. But to say 'production is production'? Its not. Its not the same scoring a goal up 5-1 as it is notching an icebreaker in a scoreless game, etc, etc. Everyone knows that. That's the kind of Al Harazin thinking that brought the Mets Kevin McReynolds. But here's one for you; how do you quantify the effect Richards DIDNT have on the PP? One can't, but it is incredibly large, the lack of keep-ins, the passes to nowhere, the lugging the puck up ice with the urgency of a postal worker. There so much more, none of it good. Please already. If you're not convinced BR was a detriment after the pathetic play that characterized his 2nd half (and a good chunk of his NYR tenure), there not much I can say to change your mind. And then to think the team can't be better w/o him, goodness, let's see; a player who can stand on his skates and be at least more sturdy (insert anyone), pass to a wide-open teammate 10-ft away (again, insert anyone), a center who could win half his draws, a point man who can, you know, MAN the fucking the thing better than a 10-yr old..... Sheesh, why do you guys get me going on this? I really want to make believe it was all a bad dream and move on....but again, if you couldn't see how he gave AV FITS in how to handle him.....no one could play with him! Not Gaborik, not Nash, not Kreider, even St Louis, his former magic partner, who score what, once in 20 games after the trade?!!! Its just unbelievable anyone thinks this guy was a net-plus, but hey, everyone's entitled to believe what they choose.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:24 pm EST

E: good to read ya... I believe the Rangers are counting on Matthew Lombardi to fill the vacancy left by Richards... Lombardi had decent #'s last year 46/20/30/50 and relatively injury free... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2634

mf


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:54 pm EST

Stopping on thru and wanted to give 2-cents on a few topics. 1. RR I don't know how you quantify points as garbage time points. That statement makes virtually no sense to me. He contributed 50+ regular season points. Whether it was garbage time or whatever, production is production. You cannot diminish that, not quantify it and declare it to be so. So if you could expand statistically or with something more concrete maybe you statement holds water. 2. I saw zero legitimate banter that Penner was ever in consideration. He isn't the kind of player that AV covets. He is good in front of the net but his wheels are a little lets just say, not impressive. And the New York Rangers cannot afford him. And coming full circle, this New York Rangers team and it's dismissed 50+ pivot is not stronger for him having left. Not saying that I wanted him at that salary. He was on the decline, but as far as I'm concerned you don't go thru a season with 50-points scored with a 3-1 lead late in the 3rd (garbage time.) Richards contributed to wins. He even won a few. The New York Rangers are in no way a better team for his departure. And the fact that they replaced him with Mueller as the current de facto replacement? No way anyone could logically justify that this team is in anyway better off. Anyone think that Boyle is gonna give you 50+ from the blueline? He's been on the decline for several seasons in SJ. And that team has firepower the likes the New York Rangers could only dream on their PP. Hope all have a good summer and see you around buckaroos.

E


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:20 pm EST

Saw that pa. He sure has no trouble lifting that thing over his head, and I'm sure it has more than the two ice bags they show him putting in. Kid's already huge and getting stronger.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 6:34 pm EST

Just watched the McIllrath video. I've never had a "man-crush"; ever! I have one now. Please kid, crack the line-up and start the carnage!

pa.rangersfan


Wed Aug 13 2014 6:10 pm EST

Interesting post from Cerny; re: Traverse City...Says "there is more intrigue this season than in recent years--maybe since Derek Stepan and Ryan McDonagh took part in 2010." Cites Haggerty, McCarthy and Bodie...says the latter probably need some adjustment in the AHL, but has a feeling Haggerty's time with the Rangers from late winter through the cup finals may have him a step above all the other prospects...that he'll likely "get a long look in training camp and the pre-season." I know a lot of it's cheerleader stuff, but still an interesting thought that Haggerty is thought to be under consideration for a roster spot...http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6511/looking-forward-to-traverse-city

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 4:49 pm EST

That play by STEPAN in the Finals where he calmly & smartly slide the puck under LUNDQVIST (without covering it with his own hand) and saving a sure goal. The bad ice in the 3rd period deserves an assist, or 1/2 a safe. All done by #21 with a Broken Jaw, [and wearing awful new chin protection]. I believe that heads-up play preserved a 1 goal lead late in game 4 of The CUP, and saved us from the humiliation of being swept. It was high drama in MSG on Broadway... A High Anxiety WIN on Home Ice!!!

hipcheck


Wed Aug 13 2014 10:20 am EST

Richards misleading pts totals are a last refuge, piled up in garbage time the first month while we were getting our ass handed to us. Cmon RF, you know this already. Dont make me chisel it out on a cell. Richards was a COMPLETE non-factor even before Xmas, then became an enormous fucking ANCHOR the rest of the way. By the playoffs he was nothing more than a spokesman.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:35 am EST

BR scored 20 goals and 51 points for the Rangers last year; that's more points than Brassard, Nash, Kreider and Hagelin. Guess they all sucked, too.

RF4L


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:13 am EST

PatrickDiv - Yes, but the problem with BICKELL is his cap hit($4 million) and that he really kind of flopped...Tell you a guy on the Hawks I'd chase right now...Jeremy MORIN...Low cap hit, tough forward from the USNDP...Sand paper player with good talent. Righty shot who plays the off-wing. He'd slide into the lineup nicely and compensate for some of the dearth of toughness.

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:04 am EST

Id take Bickell in a heartbeat but cant belive Hawks move him. They have guys like Versteeg & Oduya to move & get under cap. First & foremost Brad Richards SUCKED. Thats why hes an ex-Ranger.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 8:52 am EST

Hayes would be a nice prize to come away with heading into camp but if not, any thoughts on Bryan Bickell from CHI who is reportedly being shopped? 28Yrs old, good size & skater and hits hard...

PatrickDiv


Wed Aug 13 2014 8:32 am EST

And on Conor ALLEN/SKJEI - John MOORE should definitely be wary. And if I were him, I'd be asking the Rangers if they were interested in a nice three-year contract with a low cap hit...'course that makes him all the more tradeable...I think Allen and Moore have similar styles, IMO...and Skjei? I could see him being sort of a poorman's Marc STAAL...Whether this is by design or not is beyond me...but I think both those young defensemen are serving, to an extent, as leverage for what happens with the Moore contract and ultimately, Staal. While I wouldn't advocate for trading Staal period, I could certainly see a scenario where he's traded, Moore is promoted and Allen fills in at number three on the left, setting up a situation where Skjei could turn pro and the three could battle it out for second and third pairing...again, not an advocate for such a situation, just seeing where it could happen...Allen had a very good year in Hartford and could very well make the jump...the other wildcard on the left is Mat BODIE...certainly NCAA success is no sure-fire harbinger for NHL success, but he's a MAJOR reason why Union College has an NCAA championship...Shayne GOSTISBEHERE, who has a laser from the point and I suspect will challenge for a spot on the Flyers, was on second pairing behind Bodie, who I'd equate to a Torey KRUG-type player...very mobile..LOVES to jump in on the offense and, once in the zone, has a great first step in from the blue line so that by the time the wing goes to pick him up, he's already in scoring position. At 24, it's hard to call him a prospect. His game, however, could translate very nicely to AV's up-tempo system.

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 8:07 am EST

Rhet0ric - I think you hit the nail on the head. Kevin HAYES is the prize right now, no doubt. He's the equivalent of the first-round pick they didn't have this summer and a guy who could step right into the lineup. I personally don't think there's much of a doubt they'd offer him a spot in the lineup...maybe even the replacement on the ZUCC line...Rangers are going to go after him. The question is whether he wants to come to NY, where he could get a starting position handed to him, but could easily end up in Hartford if he faltered...The latest popular theory is that he's going to join linemates and BFFs Gaudreau and Arnold in Calgary...But friendship is a tough sell when it comes to spending three years in the sticks of western Canada...especially for a kid from Massachusetts who is probably free to chose the corner of North America where he wants to be.

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:51 am EST

RR: BR got all that money not because the Rangers didn't want him back this year (or even next year); instead, it's because they were trapped with the new CBA rules against front ended contracts and couldn't take the cap hit that would result when he retired early, which was always the unwritten intent when that contract was offered (which is the case for virtually all those front loaded deals - spread out the cap hit over x number of years, pay the bulk of its value early and then have the player retire early when he's no longer effective, eliminating that cap hit for the final few years).

RF4L


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:48 am EST

I think it's pretty obvious Skeji has no intentions of turning pro this year. Otherwise, he'd probably already have made that decision and would be on the Traverse City roster. Kudos to him, too, for pushing back (if that's indeed the case) - as we've seen before, Sather has a history of rushing some his draft picks. Kreider pushed back and that sure has worked out well. Gotta figure, however, he'll turn pro next fall.

RF4L


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:25 pm EST

Dont think NYR land Hayes or Pennet. Even if they did ink Hayes, they like to acclimate guys in Htfd, doubt we'd see him first half. Not that I wouldnt be happy to recoup a 1st rounder. Kantor hits to hurt. Ive wondered about him too, if he'll ever get even a courtesy look. He hasnt been in system too long, but Im all for giving career AHL types a few games in the show as a reward for dedicated service. Ya never know when guts step up. And Rangers decided to pay Richards $27M to play against them. That should end that. And not my fault some cant bear to see the truth on a message board for heavrns sakes. Grow up.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:21 pm EST

should John Moore be looking over his shoulder? .... http://doublegsports.com/brady-skjei-jump-pros/ .... http://doublegsports.com/conor-allen-looks-big-break/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:13 pm EST

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I have seen nothing about the Rangers having any interest in Penner. Supposedly, the Jets may have sone interest oin him... some. It's suspected that he may have to go the camp invite route to get a contract. Maybe we'll have some interest in him then.... I suspect the Rangers will reserve making any more moves until they find out what Kevin Hayes decision will be (on where he will be playing next season). I'm sure Chris Kreider has already given him a call on his own time to sell him on coming to NY (especially since the team can't have any official contact with him just yet). Hayes becomes an UFA this Saturday. Getting him would definitely make our offseason look a hell of a lot better.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 6:54 pm EST

Dylan McIlrath does the ice bucket challenge, suffers concussion and re-injures his shoulder(j/k).... http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/watch-dylan-mcilrath-does-ice-bucket-challenge/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 6:47 pm EST

Got excited to see DUCLAIR, TAMBELLINI and BUCHNEVICH in the same tourney, but Butch ain't gonna be their. Another curiosity is I don't see Call ANDERSSON's name there. I was under the impression he was jumping the pond this year, but saw somewhere he's playing in the Swiss league? Ryan GRAVES, who is supposed to be in camp this year, is apparently recovering from a shoulder injury...anyway...will be good to see HAGGERTY and McCARTHY...ditto for BODIE...IVERSON too...but I'm a little underwhelmed by the roster...first Traverse City squad I can remember that is devoid of a first-rounder...and the only second-rounder I can see is HALVERSON...more of a commentary on where the Rangers' farm system is...less on the players they chose...I think the one I'm most curious about is Tambellini, just because he tore up the WHL when he got there, but really didn't do squat in the NCAA...and we'll see if ST. CROIX...another who wrecked shop in western Canada but hasn't done squat against higher competition...wasn't much more than a year ago when we were all pretty excited about him...now you never hear his name...and there's the guy I was talking up bigtime last year...Sam NOREAU...huge RHS defender who I had high hopes for, but, like St. Croix, ended up toiling in the ECHL...Not sure what other team's rosters look like, but the Rangers do actually have a decent amount of experienced players coming to camp...nine guys with either NCAA or AHL experience...Keep an eye on Michael KANTOR..sandpaper player with some skill. He got a look in Hartford, and, if I remember correctly, looked pretty good(despite the goose eggs in the stats column).

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 5:14 pm EST

CM if Richard's contract wasn't what it was, he'd still be on the roster......

stevielegs


Tue Aug 12 2014 2:17 pm EST

sorry, thats a bad link, and I now see Hospo's earlier post.

Messier11


Tue Aug 12 2014 2:16 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 50s #NYR announce 23-man roster for annual prospects tourney, Blue Notes, http://nwsdy.li/1fIeZTd

Messier11


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:33 pm EST

Well, I guess it's appropriate for Shark Week. Just when I thought it was safe to come back in the water... Oh, well. I'll try again in a few weeks.

ColoradoMark


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:25 pm EST

Rangers TRAVERS CITY ROSTER can be found at TDCHI ..http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6510/rangers-announce-roster-for-2014-traverse-city-tournament?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1407867280#.U-pbuvldXCs

Hospo


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:21 pm EST

TDCHI - If LOMBARDI is healthy, you are not bringing him in to juice up your AHL team, you are, given the Rangers options, bringing him in to be a top 9 forward on your NHL team..and likely before guys like Miller, Fast, Lindberg, whoever......I'm not sure where all this PENNE talk game from, likely from fan chatter becasue I can't see him being a fit.....STILL..it does seem that there might be money left for another 1M a year forward....We'll see...Personally, even with GLASS I don't think this team has enough grit/protection/whatever...One little injury to him and you have NICK TARNASKY for the first 40-50 chaotic games where tougher guys get more play....

Hospo


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:13 pm EST

jnyr - Fortunately for us, the Flyers are about as punchless as they've ever been. SIMMONDS is probably their toughest player unless ROSENHILL can get in the lineup. There's Zac RINALDO, but he's not exactly a guy you worry about too much.

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:09 pm EST

Rhet0ric - hate to play devil's advocate for GLASS...a signing I never liked...but he played on a line with the dregs of the Penguins' lineup...really, guys who barely belonged in the NHL...not that he's any great shakes, but I'll cut him a little slack if he can be a regulator out there and not be a liability...Still would have signed CARCILLO over him though. Cheaper and a better player.

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:06 pm EST

RF4L - The only reason I see them bringing PENNER is for size...And in truth, I can't see it happening with the lack of cap space and the signings they've already made...Like I said, I'm more curious how some of the vets/marginal AHLers they brought in play out...I've got two theories right now, the first is that this camp will, in fact, be a free-for-all and that with few exceptions...GLASS and Dan BOYLE being them...everyone is fighting for a spot on the team...and that means no certainties...and the second is that the Rangers expect at least three of their one-way signings...maybe four...to play in Hartford and win there...seems the lack of playoff experience with the Pack/Whale is wearing on the Rangers...six games in three years now...15 in five....losing down there and playing in an empty barn can't be good for anyone coming up through the system...so maybe this is an attempt to get some successful AHLers into the mix...MUELLER and Chris BOURQUE are two great examples of guys you pull in if you want to juice up your AHL team...If that's their aim...to take guys like Mueller and perhaps even LOMBARDI and get them to Hartford to make that team sucessful...then perhaps Penner is in the future...if not though, there's simply no room for him..on the roster or cap wise.

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 10:18 am EST

HIP--I did the same. I watched Games 1 and 2 over. The reason is because this garbage about the Rangers being blown out was irritating me, and I wanted to make sure the series was as competitive as I thought it was. Hindsight, those 2 games are where it was lost. The Rangers deserved and should have won one of them, and could have won both. Still wonder if Dan O'Halloran got his name on the cup. Jerk.

Bob


Tue Aug 12 2014 9:44 am EST

Stop torturing yourself Hip. I rewatched whole series but dont plan on even looking at it ever again. Its too much. Pretty good hockey though.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 12 2014 8:59 am EST

I just rewatched' game 1 of The Stanley Cup Finals. It's almost eerie how much that game is a microcosm of the entire series. Rangers were the better team for long stretches, the momentum shifts were backbreaking & almost unbearable. Rangers somehow deserved a better fate, but at the same time Los Angeles deserved everything they worked for as well. Kings were the better Team, but our Rangers could easily, easily have won that thing. They played well enough to win.

hipcheck


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:32 am EST

(Tanner Glass) was the worst player in the league in driving puck possession, relative to his team/teammates..... http://blueseatblogs.com/2014/08/12/bad-tanner-glass-going/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 2:58 am EST

RR: another thing I like about Moore is that on a team as physically soft as we are, he just may be our best fighter. Something you can't discount when you play the Flyers seven times a year.

jnyr


Mon Aug 11 2014 10:53 pm EST

Perry Pearn has been hired as an asst coach in Vancouver. Man too bad he can't coax Wade Redden out of retirement to run his vaunted Power Play! LOL. Now Trautwig can cream all over his fancy ties again when they come to town. It amazes me that these guys keep getting hired. Just get on the wheel and they just rotate through the league. Just amazing.

NYStranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 10:31 pm EST

Regarding PENNER................NO. The only think to like about him is his size. The rest of his game doesn't fit what the Rangers are building.

Vic


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:01 pm EST

Penner ate his way out of the NHL. Guy has all the tools, but not the heart and desire to work hard enough to stay in the league.

Bob


Mon Aug 11 2014 8:39 pm EST

TD: IMO if Penner is signed it's because the brass isn't as enamoured with Miller as they keep hinting they are.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 6:56 pm EST

On PENNER - I've always been a fan..even when he was getting dogged in LA and Edmonton. Wanted the Rangers to sign him after the LA cup win...wanted them to sign him last summer...The guy has two cup rings and that's more than most of the Rangers right now...would be a passable replacement for Brian BOYLE, no doubt...maybe even an improvement...but the question then becomes who goes down? I was always under the impression that Chris MUELLER was Hartford-bound, but the more I hear about the Rangers, the more he seems like this year's Patrick Rissmiller...a guy signed for no explicable reason who will take up a roster spot until the obvious becomes clear...the fact he's on a one-way contract is kind of suspicious to me, unless they simply want to pay him to be an AHL all-star...KOSTKA and HUNWICK also on one-way contracts, which, if I'm not mistaken, means if the Rangers end up sending all three down to Hartford, they're still on the hook for a lot of their salary...I know they will still need to pay their full salaries...my question, though, is whether their cap hits remain. If they do, the Rangers ain't signing anyone...the other question I would have re: Penner would be how does that fit into AV's system? He was painfully slow last year and I can't see him getting any quicker. Then again, he seemed to do well with the Ducks and the Kings, which didn't exactly employ a plodding offense...anyway, the wild card to me now is MUELLER and how(if) he fits into the lineup.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 5:50 pm EST

If they paid JMOORE as much as $1,250,000, sent Hunwik, Kostka, Mueller, & Fast down, and brought JTMiller up, we'd have right around $1,850,000 in cap space..... Would love for Slather to wow us by bringing in a top six somehow, by trading some of this accumulated depth that we've collected......

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:31 pm EST

They'll lock up Moore, MF, that's a no-brainer. Think its advantageous for the front office to cry poverty a bit here with everyone, be it a FA like Penner or a RFA like Moore. But I've said, maybe not clear enough, I'm real excited to see what Moore has learned, for this reason; he has a real rare skill set for a young d-man, his skating is that exceptional. He's shown some onions. And the experience he just went trough is also really rare, getting that deep in that's intense a playoff. If he can take the next step he could become a helluva dman, and the D itself improves by a few leaps if not bounds. Plus he's go an ultimate role model in McD to watch up close, Staal, just a great great group to learn from and a staff that likes him. The same could be said for his whole group in fact. If they come out of the gate with the same intensity or even anything close to how they finished, they will be playing at a very, VERY high level.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:09 pm EST

What's up with John Moore? I hope we're signing this kid. IMO he is an important part of this team & it's chemistry. He's going to keep getting better on our squad... He's a keeper, especially at these prices......"Doo do doo do doo do do doo..."

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:02 pm EST

Penner: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4412

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:01 pm EST

mf take a walk on the wild side.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 11 2014 3:49 pm EST

Saw some buzz NYR might be talking to Penner. Hard to understand at this point; makes for a crowded field, even one kid would have trouble breaking through. Same time, name of the game this year is win, not age. Penner had almost identical statistical year to Puliot , 6-4 and we could use the size. A speedster he is not.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 2:02 pm EST

Rabbit: that's why I posted a "non-hockey" related post here a couple of days back regarding a specific matrix.... For those who passed it up, I recommend you check it out and have a laugh....

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 11:32 am EST

Well, TD, of course I think there was a ton of evidence AV was less than enamoured with Richards right from the start, when he used him as a wing, obviously not believing he should be one of the team's top 3 centers. He only moved back to the middle (of the 3rd unit) when Puliot started showing signs of sticking in the top 6. And even before the deadline BR was firmly pushed back to the third line. This is where, as I was saying to NYStranger - in a post that now resides on the off-topic wall - that I believe the possibility of acquiring St Louis became real possibility (as Sather said the deal was in the works for some time), and naturally the idea of reuniting he & Richards became a somewhat attractive option, all things considered. But look, no reason we can't have diametrically opposed on this or any other topic without killing each other, and I appreciate your civil tone. You believe what you want & I'll do the same. Its really water under the bridge now anyway, and I don't want to beat a dead horse. Richards was a good dude, did his best, I'd never accuse him otherwise. And I do believe the tone he helped set in the POs will really benefit our young guys going forward. He's just losing it, happens to everybody. The thing with Richards is, it was never just his skating. His puck-handling and passing were so awful at times it was totally unprofessional & really alarming & baffling. I can't even remember another athlete in any sport when fell off so dramatically. maybe HoJo with the Mets, who went from 40 homers to relative obscurity in the blink of an eye, but many thought that was related to PEDs or cork. Or both. Anyway, I blame Sather on BR, but that's really another story.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 11:04 am EST

RR - Richards average TOI during the playoffs: 17 minutes...25 seconds less than NASH. 12 seconds more than KREIDER. We get it. You don't like Richards..but the reality doesn't match your supposition. I agree, Richards looked slow toward the end. The guy was tired and shouldn't have been skating as much as he was...but to say AV wanted him off the team...well, that's a supposition simply not supported by any sort of evidence.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:41 am EST

TD: Re the KHL - agreed. The legitimate NHLers from Russia would rather play in the NHL. For the young bubble players who are arguably bubble players because they need more maturation, it's more alluring to play in their home country for more money than ride the buses in the minors (as you say). It hurts their development and from an NHL team's standpoint, is no doubt frustrating because they lose control over the development of that player. For example, Buchnevich looks like he's got high-end offensive skill but from what I've seen his game lacks discipline and if that is the case once he comes to NY, it's reasonable to project that the Rangers would send him to Hartford to learn that aspect of the game. The Rangers will lose that opportunity to teach him that if Buchnevich rejects the demotion and flees back to Russia. This is why these kids are available in the draft lower than their skillset suggests they should be. It's risky, in other words.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:34 am EST

Look at Richards' ice when it mattered MOST, the finals. I know Gm 4 he was down around 13 mins total, about 1:30-2:00 on PP. Basically he was a 10-minute player, a warm body AV couldn't wait to get off the ice. Thats what they thought of him. Except on the PP. There AV should've choked on one of his lozenges before calling BRs number, but unfortunately didnt. And coincidentally, thats MORE than Torts thought of him, cause he at least pressboxed his useless ass in the POs.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:20 am EST

Richards TOI was high because he (inexplicably) got more power play time than anyone on the damn team!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:14 am EST

RF4L - Yes, of course, the Richards buyout was a foregone conclusion. The Rangers had no choice...but the premise with this Richards discussion was if, per chance, there weren't the ridiculous restrictions of his contract...if Richards was simply making $6.6 million straight up...would he still be a Ranger today? I say he would. Say what you will about AV's speed game. He played Richards just as much as Totorella did the year before...in fact, here's a little piece of trivia for anyone who thinks he was an ancillary player: Richards skated an average of 18:41 per game. That was fifth on the team and first among forwards. If that's a player a coach doesn't have confidence in playing, then I'm missing something big here....I don't think Richards' absence is a death knell...but it's going to hurt a lot more than many here suspect.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:09 am EST

Think you're right on NYStranger. I did a little minor Richards rant lol, but posted it to the off-topic wall by accident. Its scary over there!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 8:52 am EST

RF4L - I think the allure of the KHL has diminished significantly...and with few exceptions, most young players at least want a shot at the NHL...I think where it has impacted development is at the minor league level...players want to either jump directly into the NHL or spend a little time in the CHL, then jump directly into the NHL...if given the choice to stay in Russia and play in the KHL or make $60k and ride charter buses...these kids would rather hang in the KHL and come over when they're guaranteed a spot. I would wager that's probably why a guy like PASHNIN never bothered to come over. I think this business with the KHL being a rival league for the NHL, however, is something that never really added up. It'll always be second best.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 8:01 am EST

On the Richards topic, IMO it was a no-brainer he had to be bought out. It's also a no-brainer to realize he's lost a step - skating never was his strong point and as he's aging and many teams are emphasizing a speed game, it's compounded. I also believe he's going to be missed more than some on here believe and not just away from the ice.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 7:57 am EST

TD: My whole point about bringing up Pashin and the Tank was that neither are in the Rangers system because Russian players have a valid option when it comes to playing professional hockey if they aren't happy with how they perceive they are being treated by the NHL club that owns their rights. They get to play, oftentimes for very good money, professionally in their own country. That's no doubt very alluring. It's why some quite talented players are available well past their skillset suggests they should in the draft. This is why Buchnevich was available in the 3rd round 2 drafts ago and why there's no guarantee he'll ever put on a Ranger uniform, although given the fact that he's participated in Ranger amateur camps it appears that he intends to. It will be interesting to see how if reacts if/when he does come over and management decides he needs time in the AHL.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 6:53 am EST

The question was not if they would dump Richards but that they were forced to buy him out and could not trade him. I think the Rangers brass were pretty peeved about the conditions of Richards buy back cap hit compared to say Kovalchuks. I know I am. I think the Rangers would have loved to trade him even if they had to eat some contract but they couldn't. All the rest IMO is politics. We loved him in the locker room, he helped me with my game, he helped me off the ice...bla bla bla.

NYStranger


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:11 pm EST

Apologies to GeneCarr or whomever asked me to cool it with the cursing. I do try. But that subject does not sit well AT ALL, and the words just come out, and I can't go back & edit. But you'd have to be deaf dumb & blind to think Rangers brass wanted ANY part of Richards returning.Sather just couldn't help himself last year and tried to wring out a bit more from what was an awful investment. Just awful. By December he was DONE. DONE!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 10 2014 9:50 pm EST

Vigneault demoted Richards and finally replaced him on the PP, if only temporarily, in the playoffs. No way in the world he wanted that slow poke back when he's trying to build a roster of ferrarris. Please already.This whole notion Richards would ever be brought back as a pure hockey decision is BUNK, put out by NYR PR to lessen the embarrassment of being bought out.Richards was a good guy here so they did what they could to soften the blow. But he was an unmitigated disaster on the fucking power play and - with his horrid mismanagement of the point, may well have coast us a fucking Stanley Cup, and frankly, its amazing how many people bought that line of utter BULLSHIT while that flopsy mopsy motherfucker skated off (slowly. Very slowly) with $27m after fucking us up. I'd like to punch Sather in the face for that blunder. Asshole.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 10 2014 9:01 pm EST

TD: Clearly, you think he's ready. From what I can discern for the Rangers they are hoping he's ready and doing their best to make it look like how you feel.

RF4L


Sun Aug 10 2014 6:54 pm EST

Puck: And the reconstructed 4th line should hopefully chip in a few more goals to help win those 1 goal games.....especially if we can replace the goals provided by Poulliot and Richards by our reconstructed top 9.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 10 2014 5:44 pm EST

When you think of the Boyle acquisition and the loss of Richards/Stralman - I think of it this way. The NYR went to the conference finals and SC finals in last 3 years, but came up short. One of the major reasons why has been the PP failure. Whether it was Richards or MDZ, the point man was the obvious weakness. Now we shall see if the addition of Boyle makes the difference in those 1 goal games.

puckyou


Sun Aug 10 2014 4:52 pm EST

The question is jt jitters mentally ready... So far he hasn't been nhl ready. Hopefully he gets it otherwise he will go back down or get traded... Kid k wasn't but finally figured it out and he still has a long way to go in developing into a top winger....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 10 2014 2:10 pm EST

Valentenko has put up decent numbers in the KHL. Would he replace Moore? Would we have traded for Moore in the first place? who knows.

Messier11


Sun Aug 10 2014 1:58 pm EST

With Staal, McDonagh and MDZ already in NY, where was V-Tank going to play? After the trade for Tim Erixon he fell even further down the depth chart and it was not a surprise to see him return to the KHL. Pashnin on the other hand, turned some heads in camp but has done little else to show that he even belongs in the NHL. Also, neither player would really fit into AV's system today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 10 2014 1:01 pm EST

RF4L - Answer is MILLER is ready. There's nothing he's going to learn down in Hartford that he hasn't learned already. What he needs now is 15-plus minutes per game in the NHL Even 10 minutes on fourth line would be good, IMO.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 12:43 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 25 Sep 2011 Torts said he didn't have great camp RT @TheZwede: @stevezipay Did Rangers sent down Valentenko because injury or he wasn't good enough?

Messier11


Sun Aug 10 2014 12:43 pm EST

On AV - I think with exception to RICHARDS and maybe POULIOT, I think the other moves we've seen are AV molding the team to his style...there's no doubt in my mind the emphasis on speed in the off-season acquisitions has been something AV has been behind...Among the players moved, the only two who had any speed were Pouliot and maybe STRALMAN...I think the dismantling of that successful fourth line was to get some burners down there...I think if AV was GM and not constrained by the cap, the only one move he probably would have changed was the Richards' buyout...everything else seems like it would have his blessing.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 12:38 pm EST

Ranger47 - I don't know. I don't think either of them would return much without a guarantee they're coming back over. Maybe some late-round picks. PASHNIN is the most interesting of the two, because there is/was such high hope for him...I really liked TANK though, as a blueliner. Just a thick guy. Hard-hitter...My other curiosity about both was whether the coach had anything to do with both guys choice to play in Russia...Didn't seem to me that Tortorella liked Russian players very much. And it's interesting...the Rangers really have had many/any Russians since ANISIMOV was moved...either in Hartford or on the team.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 11:00 am EST

Not sure how best to ask this question....I was thinking how AV came here and instituted his system with the team he inherited. He then made some tweaks and limited personnel changes (MSL in, Callahan out, etc) based on what was possible. Understanding the cap restrictions, and assuming that he could change the team which ended last season with whatever he wanted changed for the new season, what changes would he have made? Got assume for cap reasons and possible age and speed issues that BR would still be gone. And given the chance to swap out Stralman for Dan Boyle (a no-brainer) he'd have made that switch. But, what other changes would he have made and how would that compare to the team he now has? Probably would have kept Pouliott and BB (or might he wanted to replace the entire 4th line to get more production)? Just musing on how AV might have changed the team given the cap and current contracts even if Pouliiott, Boyle, Dorsett, Carcillo and others were still possibly available. Does he like this team as constructed better than the one he had at the end of last year? Got to figure he'd have made changes anyway?!

Ranger47


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:51 am EST

TD: Any chance we could trade the rights to Tank and Pashin to other teams needing lefthanded D depth? Better than getting nothing for them....

Ranger47


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:22 am EST

Two things: I don't think anyone is writing off Miller - instead it's more wondering about his readiness. That potential forward lineup is rather unimposing.

RF4L


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:20 am EST

On July 1, the Rangers signed goalie Cedrick Desjardins to a two-year, two-way deal that will pay him $300,000 to play in Hartford. Desjardins, 28, said that he did not hesitate when the Rangers approached him and cited that there is a certain prestige that comes from playing for the Rangers. (TVA) He said that he knows his deal is mostly to play in the AHL but he hopes he gets some time in the NHL. Desjardins says that the Rangers have their number one goalie but want extra depth. (TVA) Desjardins says that he already knows Benoit Allaire. (TVA) He is 2-4 in his NHL career with a .919 save percentage and 2.42 GAA. He stopped 34 of 35 shots against the Rangers in 2011. In the AHL, he is 104-79-19. He is 19-9 in the AHL playoffs.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:19 am EST

RF4L - the thing with both PASHNIN and VALENTENKO are they can read the writing on the wall in the Rangers' org. They're both lefties and there's a literal log-jam of lefties on a team that's been coached by two guys who hardly ever play defensmen on the off side. ..Tank could have played in the NHL, but the most he was going to get in NY was third-pairing minutes...and to do that he would have needed to unseat MDZ, who, while persona nongrata at several points in his tenure as a Ranger, always seemed to have a chokehold on that third-pairing each camp...ditto with Pashnin. He keeps signing new contracts in Russia because it makes no sense to come over...best case scenario is he makes John MOORE expendable and gets 15 minutes a night. Worst case...and most likely scenario is he ends up making 60k and riding a bus between games in the AHL...I think if either of them were righties, they'd would be here competing for a job...BUCHNEVICH, however...I think it's a pretty safe assumption he'll jump the pond next year....who knows? Maybe even after the KHL season. If he develops from what I saw at the WJC tourney, you better believe the Rangers are going to be pushing hard for him to join the mix...He's one to really keep an eye on during this year's tourney...There's a future for this kid in New York.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:04 am EST

On MILLER - There's not a question in my mind he'll be in the lineup in the opener..Just a matter of where in the lineup he goes...I actually think he'd be a great replacement for POULIOT...to some extent, they're similar players...and given the Rangers' lineup, they really do need someone with edge among their top three...but I also can't imagine a situation right now where ST. LOUIS isn't with either BRASSARD or STEPAN...if that's the case, we'll likely see the Nash line stay together, and Zucc slide over to the left. In that situation, MOORE matches up with HAGLEIN and STEMNIAK and Mills slides onto the left or at center with LOMBARDI and GLASS...And regarding the notion that Miller is a bust...that's ridiculous...Don't know how anyone could be down on the kid after watching him in the playoffs...the only question about Miller right now his ceiling...whether he becomes a 40-point grinder or if he has greater things in store. I've compared him before to a poor man's Mike RICHARDS and I stand by that comparison.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 9:48 am EST

On RICHARDS - I've said it before, he was a big loss for the Rangers. Certainly he wasn't worth his contract, but he was a big reason the Rangers were as successful as they were...A lot of fans seem to have a casual attitude...sort of an "oh well" take on Richards leaving..I think we're going to find that among those who left, his absence will be missed the most...intangibles are one thing...but who replaces Richards' 20 goals and 31 helpers? Matt Lombardi? Lee Stempniak? Tanner Glass? Coupled with POULIOT'S production, there's a lot of offense the Rangers are going to need to replace...Sad to say, I think the success of the Rangers will live and die with the Rick NASH we get...If we end up with 2013-2014 Rick Nash, it ain't gonna be pretty.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 6:23 am EST

Intangibles

stevielegs


Sat Aug 9 2014 8:58 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello was asked about the Rangers losing Brad Richards and said that he was a “vital cog” in the team, “especially off the ice.” (Nettavisen) It’s been said that the Rangers, with their buyout of Richards, lost their captain for the second time this season. He says that Richards was a big help because of his experience and was a big leader in the locker room. (Nettavisen) Zuccarello added, “It’s clear he’s going to be a loss.” (Nettavisen) He said on the day of the buyout that losing Richards is “a shame.” Carl Hagelin said that Richards was an “amazing” teammate who helped him a lot. Henrik Lundqvist said, “Brad Richards has been outstanding this season on and off the ice and accepted the role of more responsibility and a lot of credit to Brad.” (Fox Sports) Chris Kreider said that Richards has helped him through every single low point in his career. (ESPN NY)

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 9 2014 5:49 pm EST

Tough break for Ekblad and the Panthers team/fans...

Ranger47


Sat Aug 9 2014 4:11 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57605-Panthers-Ekblad-leaves-Canadian-world-junior-camp-with-concussion.html

mf


Sat Aug 9 2014 4:05 pm EST

2093? Think im a longshot. .

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:57 pm EST

RR: 93-94? :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:27 pm EST

Coming off a Cup final, more young guys pushing to get in. If you cant be overly optimistic now when can you be?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:09 pm EST

We won't know more about Miller until we see him in camp (and beyond). But, I for one, think that he'll make the team and even has an excellent chance to possibly to replace Pulliot. I could even see him getting a shot at Kreider's spot on the Stephan-Nash line (where he can create space for the other two) and Kreider sliding down to the Brassard-Zucc line where he can be an even greater scoring threat. But, then, I'm probably being too optimistic about Miller (i.e. see "lifelong Ranger fan" in the encyclopedia. :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:05 pm EST

never mind. http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/551615

Messier11


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:04 pm EST

what team?

Messier11


Sat Aug 9 2014 12:27 pm EST

A kid found a 68-yr old Cup ring in a river. It should be so easy for the Rangers to get one!!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 12:13 pm EST

Miler has to win over his coach. I hope he does. I have no problem with AV's approach. Guys can actually get out of his doghouse (Pouliot) and be productive.

Bob


Sat Aug 9 2014 11:25 am EST

I'm not sure why some are down on MILLER. It would be great if every kid "got it" by the age of 19 and had the desire, work ethic and tenacity to succeed at the NHL at that age. It doesn't happen that way in real life though. Everyone is different. Some people take longer to develop physically and/or mentally. When I look at MILLER I see a kid with good size, skating ability and skill. I see the potential for him to be a player at the NHL level. Contrast that with a kid like GRACHEV. When I saw GRACHEV I never thought for a second that he could be am impact player at the NHL level. MILLER looks like 10 times the prospect that GRACHEV ever was. Personally, I think MILLER has already started to show that he gets it now. His brief appearance in the playoffs was unfortunate because he looked great up until he got hurt. For the Rangers sake I hope he shows up to camp and is the player we think he can become. The Rangers need him to take that next step now. In a way it is unfair to him to be placed in that situation but it is what it is. Camp can't start soon enough for me.

Vic


Sat Aug 9 2014 10:52 am EST

Traverse begins Sept 12 so about 5 weeks. We get preseason games a few weeks later.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 10:44 am EST

slow week. how many days until training camp?

Messier11


Sat Aug 9 2014 6:18 am EST

Katie strang..".It's not until the American flag, and often the U.S. serviceman or woman carrying it, exits the ice that he skates off for the last few seconds of pregame preparation. It's just a thing he does, he says, to show appreciation for his country and those who serve. It's a simple token of respect. At a time in the game when the very notion of respect is a hot topic of debate, McDonagh represents a throwback of sorts. Still young at just 24, he embodies the old-school, blue-collar, meat-and-potatoes hockey player of previous generations, a player who embraces the concept of loyalty, commitment, honor and, most importantly, respect. "

stevielegs


Sat Aug 9 2014 6:17 am EST

All valid points regarding Miller made, I just have a gut feeling he will come to camp and take off. If he does, I think it will have a huge impact. I also think it will be as a wing not center.

gene_carr


Sat Aug 9 2014 5:38 am EST

So far to me jt jitters looks like the next delzero..... “It’s really a fine line between trying to improve the team for the near future against giving up some of the young talent we have here,” David Wright said before a quiet 0-for-3. “I think you’ve got to get close to where you’re a piece or two away [in order to sacrifice the future].”

stevielegs


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:28 pm EST

Yup, hunger is the word JFC. Couldn't put my finger on it. I've been waiting to see the Miller I saw for U.S. juniors, if only briefly. He was an edgy player, the kind if you gave him a shot, you got one right back, and if you looked at him like you wanted more, the gloves were off. Not that fighting means so much, but it shows respect for yourself and a willingness to inflict, that's the key thing, initiating action, better to give than receive. JT's been tentative in his trial runs, and to try to be understanding, he did have Torts breakin balls, and let's face it, Tortorella screwed with the heads of a Zuc & Kreider too. JT got chances under AV this year, but the always seemed hurried, injury callups, different positions & roles, etc, he was wearing out the highway between NY and Hartford. And he was trying to jump into a team that after January at least was playing at a very high level. So, we'll see.I'm not his biggest fan, but hey, win me over. it'd be a frickin' boon to this team if this kid comes in and makes an impact.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:01 pm EST

RR -- I agree....the most important thing that JT Miller can do in camp is show that he is the hungriest to make the club, that he will do,anything & everything in order to get a spot. He cannot go in there like he's a veteran. He needs to show he wants it badly. They already know he has the tools....he needs to show hunger....and smarts, too....that he studied his coverages and takes them seriously. The job is there waiting for him to grab it.

JFC31


Fri Aug 8 2014 5:19 pm EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/mike-kostka/watch-michael-kostkas-ice-bucket-challenge-he-has-awesome-hair/

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:39 pm EST

Rangers re-sign Ryan Bourque.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:33 pm EST

The Rangers don't have 'expectations' for JT anymore because they don't know what he's going to be. AV said as much. I think they expect him to challenge for an NHL job, but if its top 6 or top 12 no one seems to know at this point.I get the sense his chance is going to come at wing, which I think is better for him, but if their other centers falter or JT looks good there, I'm sure they won't hesitate to use him. If I was that kid I'd just make sure I was the hardest working guy on the ice, always take the body, take no prisoners. Thats what the team needs, that's where he can carve a niche for himself. He has real offensive ability, he'll get his chances and convert some if not many no matter where he plays. But he's got to be in the lineup to do it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:16 pm EST

jnyr: I was referring to Pashin, but as I mentioned earlier, what I wonder about Russian players electing to play their earlier years in Russia vs NA, applies to the Tank, too.

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:15 pm EST

gene: I don't know about before his 1 year tenure in the CHL, but IMO he did not exceed expectations at that level. He didn't underachieve, but based on where he was selected by the Rangers and by his junior club and what his skillset is supposed to be, IMO he met expectations. I maintain he should have been returned to junior the year he went pro so he could be given a real opportunity to exceed expectations. I agree one could argue that what he accomplished in Hartford last year exceeds expectations, but one could easily counter that with the fact that it was only half a season and once again given his potential and where the Rangers apparently envision him eventually playing (top 6 in the NHL), the numbers he put up he should be putting up. In conclusion, from where I sit, he's yet to exceed expectations, unless one figures him to be a third line player. Is that what the Rangers think? Maybe, but to me, when you pick a forward 15th overall, unless he's got something truly unusually exceptional (like size and/or physical strength ala Joel Otto) you are anticipating getting one day a top 6 NHLer. JMHO...

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 2:39 pm EST

RF: are you talking about Valatenko aka the tank he had a real shot and had a pulled groin in training camp a few yrs back

jnyr


Fri Aug 8 2014 2:29 pm EST

Miller has exceeded expectations at every level before the NHL.. I think he is going to have a very good year (and not just because I predicted him as our draft pick back when).Remember all the negative reservations that were thrown at Zucc? Of course anything is possible, but I have a good feeling that JT is going to be a favorite and will more than compensate for the loss of Pouliot.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:45 pm EST

I don't disagree RF. As to what Mess is saying, Nash on LW with B & Z, maybe AV tries it, who knows what's going on in that fench canadian dome of his. I'm trying to keep an open mind because I think there will be a lot of juggling, or trial and error, or giving guys looks till they find something they like. We know AV likes pairs and he has two good ones in B& Z and Step & Kreider. So when I look at our Top 6, I see 4 real good players and 2 real big ?s in Nash and the blank left by Puliot. Once they see what they have, if they need to go outside for help I'm sure they will.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:41 pm EST

Pashin is who I was referring to. The other dude can over and did some time in the AHL, then when he decided his path to the NHL was too slow (or was blocked altogether), he went home. That said, perhaps if he'd been more patient, he, too, would be vying for a spot on the Rangers blueline (or Montreal's for that matter).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:38 pm EST

Stempniak is a classic look quite good for a shift or game or 2, then disappear for stretches of shifts and games. There's a reason he was signed cheaply. Not saying he has no value, but top 6 he's not (IMO). Brassard and MZA are top 6.

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:27 pm EST

Ill bet Nash is also a candidate for that line

Messier11


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:26 pm EST

The other tidbit inside that NHL.com preview is Gorton saying how the vacated LW spot once held by Puliot will now probably be a bit of 'trial & error', and how the coaches have a few ideas on how they'll try to fill it. With Gorton again stressing how this is a great chance for Miller, and he lauded his skills & abilities, my total guess is AV is going to look at JT, Stempniak, and possibly even Lombardi there, and see who meshes with Brassard & Zuc. I do think we might be pleasantly surprised by Stempniak, whether he wins that LW spot or not. I remembered seeing him with a shorthanded breakaway on what seemed like a nightly basis when he was in Calgary early in the year. And the Rangers PK is going to look a lot different without the octopus that was Boyle. But if its guys like Hagelin and Lombardi and Stemp, they're going to look quicker and be pretty dangerous if the puck bobbles around near the point.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 12:50 pm EST

valentenko, pashnin

Messier11


Fri Aug 8 2014 12:30 pm EST

TD: I don't think we are disagreeing over where Kristo is at right now. I'm not by any means writing him off - just saying, as you did, that this is a crucial year for him given (primarily) his age. He needs to step things up. On that Russian kid and lamenting the fact that he's not going to play in NA this year - yeah, that's the concern with most of his peers and why they drop in the draft. He'd, without a doubt, be better served to play his final teenaged year in the CHL against kids his own age and where the Rangers are able to more closely monitor his progress. I wonder where that defenseman (sorry his name escapes me) would be today in his NA career if he'd come over 2 years ago. He might be a regular on the Ranger blueline now (or ready to challenge for a top 6 spot).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 12:05 pm EST

Ice Bucket challenge...... http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/lets-watch-chris-kreider-get-drenched-with-freezing-water.html ....http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/mats-zuccarello/watch-mats-zuccarello-does-ice-bucket-challenge/

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:55 am EST

August 8th, 2014 7:24 am Yesterday against Finland, Brandon Halverson stopped 16 of 17 shots including some “fine chances” from Finland. (NHL.com) USA coach Mark Osiecki said that Halverson has played “very well” and his puck handling is “outstanding.” The coach said that the group worked on some breakouts starting with the goalie and Halverson handled those “flawlessly.”(NHL.com) Halverson picked up a secondary assist on a USA goal and his puck handling was described as “incredible.” (McMahon) Halverson didn’t face much action but was “very good” when he was tested. (Kimelman)

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:53 am EST

Anthony Duclair picked up an assist last night in Canada’s win over Russia. He skated on a line with Sam Reinhart (2nd overall) and Sam Bennett (4th overall) and fed Reinhart for the goal. Duclair made a “great pass” (Gord Miller) “great pass” (Terry Koshan) Corey Pronman listed Duclair as one of the players that he “liked” in the second period last night. He thinks that Duclair, while referencing another player, could be a strong candidate to make the Canada team. Canada coach Benoit Groulx says that Duclair has had a strong week and has been using his speed and skill. (Gazette)

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:50 am EST

"We liked him in college," Clark said. "It wasn't working out for him in Montreal and he turned out to be our No. 1 right wing in Hartford in his first full season. He's got speed, skill and knack of the puck somehow following him around. We're hoping to improve our pool of prospects at the center position where we weren't very deep as an organization in Hartford. We hope Danny can help us in that area." ....http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727801&navid=nhl:topheads

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:46 am EST

No doubt, cant dismiss the fact Kristo hasnt played an NHL game yet. Potential means you havent done it yet. And until he does, hes a prospective player, thus the term. Especially when contemplating replacing your defacto No. 1. But they seem to think this is the right move for them & Kristo. Will be real interesting to see what he does with the chance.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:29 am EST

One of the kids I'm eager to hear more about and mentioned in the link Rhet0ric posted: Pavel BUCHNEVICH. Honestly, out of the few Ranger-prospects that were in the 2013-14 WJC, he stood out the most. Shame he's going to be in Russia for another year, but look for him to be named to Team Russia for 2015 and perhaps to hop the pond for the 2015-2016 season. Lot's of high hopes for that kid. Would fit really nicely into the up-tempo game AV has demonstrated.

tdchi


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:18 am EST

RF4L - I wouldn't downplay KRISTO too much. He actually had a very good season with the Pack last year. Adjusted very well to the AHL and started off like gangbusters...my three criticisms of his year in Hartford are 1. he seemed to trail off halfway through the year, which isn't too uncommon for a guy coming from the AHL; 2. he ended up injured a bunch, which is something that dovetails into my next point; 3. he got knocked around quite a bit. Expounding on this last point, Kristo is a tiny guy. I know his dimensions don't look overly small, but that's the game he place on the ice. You have a guy like CALLAHAN who is of a similar size who is a human wrecking ball...Not Kristo. He seemed pretty easy to knock off the puck and if we're talking physicality, it's just not there...he's a finesse guy and if you give him room to run, he'll pull some dazzling moves(hence the 25 goals in 65 games). Problem is, there's even less room in the NHL and he was having trouble at times finding it in the AHL. I do think this is a make-or-break year for Kristo. IF he comes in stronger on his skates and with a little more tenacity, he could see a call-up...and there's a chance that he's adjusted now to the AHL and is ready to move up. The guy does have elite hands. No question about it. But when I look at Hartford, I see FAST as a more complete player.

tdchi


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:08 am EST

KRISTO has never played center in his college or professional career. Never saw him there once in Hartford, and it wasn't like they were deep up the middle...and in the games I watched, never saw him even take a face-off...He was used on the wing in the USNDP and even in the USHL...While I'm sure he could play center in a pinch, but even having him play there for the Pack would be a stretch at this point in his career. I could understand if he were 20, but he's not...if the Rangers are looking to move him to center...much less move him there to replace STEPAN ... then something is rotten in Denmark. I guess anything is possible in hockey, but I would hope the Rangers would make a trade or two before they tried Kristo in the middle.

tdchi


Fri Aug 8 2014 10:09 am EST

I can't copy & paste but here's Clark verbatim. "We're hoping to improve our pool of prospects at the center position where we weren't very deep as an organization in Hartford. We hope Danny can help us in that area."

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 10:02 am EST

Haha...... Thought that too, Ola. Its plainly what Clark said. The quote was "Kristo can help our organizational depth (at center)." He couldn't have meant RW, because they don't have a depth problem there for sure. Again, they might want to shop him as a center or a C/RW. Winnipeg for instance badly wants a young scoring center. Who knows?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:58 am EST

Skating isn't the hard part for Kristo, the kid flies. Along those lines, who do you think fits AVs system better for 2015-16, Kristo or Step? Just saying, it MIGHT become feasible. I know Kristo played with Brock Nelson in college and set him up constantly. kristo can absolutely find the open man, and Id bet anything hes a better sniper than Stepan right now(Though Step has a great shot when he uses it) And I always thought its much more about who you're playing with than where you're playing in the chalkboard. After a faceoff, guys are all over the place anyway. As a center though, Kristo or anyone else is charged with coming back deep to pick up his man. Can he do it? The Rangers seem to think he might. And I think he's at a bit of a dead end on RW, at least this year. Nash, MSL, and Zuc aren't going anywhere. Stempniak and even Lombardi can play there as well, and so can Tanner Glass. Sure, thats depth line stuff, where Kristo would be wasted. But projecting down the road, you know Sathers always looking for bargains, and that could be a nifty way to save about $5m a year with little lost offensively. Just saying. I also have a higher opinion of Kristo than most FWIW. This surprised me from Clark but I kind of like the idea.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:43 am EST

Suprides by Clarkes comment re Kristo. Don't see him as center at all. I would be suprised if he is tried there and even more suprised if he made it. Could it just be a typo/bad transcription? Forward becomes center?

Ola


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:36 am EST

RR: It's usually a switch from center to wing, not the other way around. This is because earlier on the most skilled kids play either center or defense (as a puck moving defenseman). As they move up the food chain, they are competing more frequently with other centers, meaning eventually there's a logjam at center, so someone gets move to wing. What position did Kristo play in college? If he's been a winger most of his playing years it likely won't be easy to shift to center. Tons more skating and tons more responsibility.

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:23 am EST

RF, I said NEXT year regarding Sather maybe not wanting to pay Stepan, and Kristo possibly moving into a Top 6 role as a center. Is it feasible? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think BOTH Kristo & Step are entering pivotal years. For one, switching from wing to the middle is not a huge adjustment at all, plenty of guys can do it (amateur level obviously but I spent a lifetime switching back and forth between RW & C, depending what the teams needed. So did a million other guys I know. I loved both.Kristo is the kind of kid that MIGHT flourish with the extra open ice. That Montreal traded Kristo doesn't mean all that much to me either; they also traded McDonagh. Nor would I say he had a mediocre year. He led Hartford in goals. They brought him in as a scorer and he scored. And some of what I saw of that kid live really impressed me. As Clark said, the puck follows him around, and I think he's got the intestinal fortitude you want (again, despite what's said online frequently). Now Stepan? That guy should be scoring 25/70 with the chances he gets, and with the guys he's playing with. Say what you want about Nash, but he & Chris Kreider aren't exactly shabby linemates. They clicked sometime, but not as much as I'd like. Stepan won't shoot the damn puck! What kind of hockey player doesn't want to shoot? As intelligent as he is, he needs to realize this. Otherwise I think on this team he's a marginal and therefore replaceable player as a wishy-washy 50_pt guy. And the other thing that irks the piss out of me is he never even attempts to mix it up unless he himself has been nailed. Then he can crack people, just like he did to Mike Green. Very frustrating. Thats why, gun to my head, I take Brassard over Step anyway. But at these prices, $6m+ per, we could help the team in a lot of other areas and a guy like Step is way marketable. AND he held out, which Sather never forgets. So its wait-n-see but I think an interesting and worthwhile experiment.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:55 am EST

To add to that thought - now if Kristo improves (and would have to improve significantly IMO) this year and does so playing center for the Pack, perhaps in a couple of years he could move into the top 6 for the Rangers (which is why I think he's facing a crucial year this season).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:34 am EST

RR: I get that Stepan is lacking in a being a true number 1 center, but do you honestly believe a guy who's not a center, who got traded by his drafting team for a marginal prospect because of perceived attitude problems, who's had one professional season, and didn't exactly overwhelm in his debut is ready to replace on a cup finalist team the defacto number 1 center? For me, not a for a NY minute. IMO, Kristo is facing a crucial year - he's not a 21 year old neophyte - he's now 24. He's headed into the prime of his career (25 to 28) when most players max out in their development. Kristo, in other words, has a ton of catching up to do and IMO another so-so season (like last year) could mean he's an AHLer for life (because he doesn't appear to have the skillset or mental makeup to be a bottom 6er - he's top 6 or bust).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:28 am EST

M11: I don't think they will give the C to anyone who isn't locked up on a long term deal. To me that means that it comes down to GIRARDI or McSSIAH. You can make a strong case for either of them. My only fear with the C is it having the same impact that it had on LEETCH. IMHO it hurt LEETCH's game. For whatever reason he carried it like a 1 ton boulder. I don't want to see something like that happen to McSSIAH. I'd rather see it go to GIRARDI if there is any question about pressure, etc. As for the two Alternates I would expect MSL to be named as 1 of them. MZA and STAAL are my top candidates for the other A.

Vic


Thu Aug 7 2014 11:33 pm EST

Honestly, MZA seems like a true leader to me, on the ice if not in the locker room. I would support a decision to give him the C, don't understand why he wouldn't be considered for an A.

Messier11


Thu Aug 7 2014 11:31 pm EST

Even without Miller and Lindberg, Hartford has Mueller, Bourque and Yogan?

Messier11


Thu Aug 7 2014 10:59 pm EST

Gord Clark said Danny Kristo playing center is something that could give Rangers more org.depth in middle. Interesting on several levels. Kristo could, IMO, almost easily replace the 17 or so goals Derek ( I hate shooting) Stepan provides, probably a good bunch of the assists as well. Kristo has awesome hands and makes some sweet plays. Maybe they don't want to pay Step $6m+ after this year. Dunno. But do know it makes some sense to try Kristo there, likely in Hartford. If Miller & Lindberg make the NYR, the Pack will be thin down the middle. And Kristo will have a heckuva time breaking through Zuc, Nash, St Louis, no to mention Duclair and Buchnevich coming on the right side. But Rangers aren't exactly thin in the middle either, with the aforementioned kids and Brassard, Moore signed for 3 yes, Lombardi, Stemniak, etc. So idk. I do know Kristo was a net even on a mediocre team not some massive defensive liability like the internets often say. And his creativity could surge with some more open ice. But rangers could also be looking to market him as a center for a deal down the road. Again unknown but interesting.....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 7 2014 9:18 pm EST

http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/what_forward_prospect_could_make_the_rangers_this_season/16992550

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 7 2014 8:21 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello says that the Rangers have many options to replace Ryan Callahan as captain and says that he has faith in Ryan McDonagh to handle the role.(Nettavisen) Zuccarello points out that McDonagh is signed long-term and that he is already one of the Rangers leaders on the ice. (Nettavisen) McDonagh has been supported by Rick Nash and Marc Messier. McDonagh has said that he thinks he is ready for the role. He mentions Marc Staal and Dan Girardi as well as players who have been on the Rangers for a long time. (Nettavisen) Zuccarello said that he doubts he will get the “C” and doesn’t think he will end up with an “A” on his jersey either. (Nettavisen)

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 7 2014 2:48 pm EST

TD: Yeah, I do. They left off some very good OHL based players, including the league's top scorer. There's lots of controversy here when it comes to unsuccessful Canadian WJC entries because the feeling is there's pressure to have representation from all 3 leagues (Quebec, Ontario and the western circuit), at the expense of overall effectiveness. It helps Canada none, by the way, when year after year after year, 2 or more of our teenagers are playing in the NHL (last year, for example, no Nate McKinnon or Morgan Reilly).

RF4L


Thu Aug 7 2014 8:43 am EST

RF4L - You really think it was skill? Canada to me seemed like they just couldn't get on the same page. I thought they were probably the most talented team in the tourney, but that they lacked the type of grinders they needed to wear down opponents like the Fins. I don't know. Just seemed like they weren't a cohesive unit. The US, on the other hand...that was pretty much a roster of grinders.

tdchi


Wed Aug 6 2014 6:40 pm EST

Step away from The Bong....... nice and slow now ........

mf


Wed Aug 6 2014 5:53 pm EST

MDZ is a weird player. He's young/immature, mistaken prone & too slight to intimidate anybody ... but he has thrown some wicked (border-line dirty) hits/elbows which gives him a little space out there. Sometimes I think he has the potential to be really good/solid... but he'll probably more likely be making your sandwich at subway in 6 or 7 months.

hipcheck


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:27 pm EST

Eye foreskin? Is that something that folks are born with up in Canada? LOL!

Bob


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:31 pm EST

Geesh. Damn spell check. For skill not foreskin. Lol.

RF4L


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:31 pm EST

TD: I think if Duclair has a good camp and first half equal to last year he stands a good chance at making it. The biggest issue with Canada's team last year was a lack of front end skill. Suspect management has their eye foreskin this time around.

RF4L


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:26 pm EST

Five: The Rangers haven't been well represented ever regardless of position on Canada's WJC entry. Staal played twice. No one since. I think Nigel Dawes was the last forward. Yikes.

RF4L


Wed Aug 6 2014 2:50 pm EST

I wonder who the last Ranger prospect to play for the Canadian WJC team would be? I know we've had Americans, including some recent ones, but can't think of any prospects we had good enough to make Team Canada.

Fivehole


Wed Aug 6 2014 8:37 am EST

Ola - IMO, DUCLAIR'S invite to team and that goal are two great signs for the Rangers after the end of his season concussion last spring...was a lot of talk about the seriousness of it and it was bad enough that it kept him out of the QMJHL playoffs...he's got a tough battle to win a spot on that team...I'd say at least 10 of the forward spots are already locked up...but that goal is definitely a good start at getting picked.

tdchi


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:16 am EST

(see Rhet's gif for Dukes goal)

Ola


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:15 am EST

I am going to watch Canada's game tonight and come back with some comments about Duclair. But that is an absolutely SICK goal by him. I am really glad for him, its always tough to make the Canadian WJCs team but what an awsome goal he scored that gotta have opened up some eyes. HALLELUJA HOCKEY IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ola


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:13 am EST

tdchi- Agreed on Skjei. He has decent skill, moves well and has good size. Very safe pick to at least come close to push for a spot in the NHL. And when it comes to playing D, the most important thing is really to be able to do those small things shift after shift, and who knows how good Skjei really can become if he puts everything together and keeps growing for a long time. BUT from an objective point of view, we can hardly be that excited about him. There has been talk about letting Staal go because we got Skjei comign up etc., that is taking Skjei's odds of becoming a good top 4 D waaaay to far.

Ola


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:49 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/5/5973217/anthony-duclar-canada-juniors-goal-GIF

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:34 am EST

"There's been no discussion at all, but I did get a call from [assistant GM Jeff Gorton] early in the off-season telling me that they were working on their arbitration cases, so not to interpret it as a sign of disrespect toward Marc," said agent Paul Krepelka. "I expect that we will be talking at some point before training camp. Marc's objective is to sign a long-term deal with the Rangers, and he would like to get it done before the season starts. That hasn't changed. But we'll see." He has one year remaining on his current deal that carries a $3.975 million cap hit. Staal doesn't put up many points, but he's a solid top-four defender with shutdown ability.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:52 pm EST

Vic - True...NTM, Brady SKJEI, who is a very good skater and a lefty, is probably going to be coming down the pike next season. And while I was left unimpressed by him at both the WJC and the frozen four, all I hear from the Rangers is how smitten they are with him...and then there's a plethora of other lefties in the system that could amount to something...on the lesser level, we could see some of Mat BODIE and more of Conor ALLEN next year...both quick, both more defensively aware...In short, yeah, the boat has sailed on MDZ's career in blue. Hope he fails with the Flyers.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:40 pm EST

MDZ a Flyer...

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:36 pm EST

TD: As much as I liked MDZ I know it would never work with AV. MDZ's biggest weakness is his skating. He is just too slow. If this team is going to continue to be built around speed and quickness MDZ would never fit here. Hopefully the Rangers will be blowing by him in that ugly orange and black uniform next year.

Vic


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:26 pm EST

It doesn't matter if you or any one NHL GM (Snow or otherwise) wouldn't sign MDZ to a one-way. He could have probably signed in the KHL to a 2 mill deal, no way he's going to risk getting stuck in some po-dunk town making 65k

Messier11


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:24 pm EST

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=727870...Obviously, when I was talking about NHL GM, I wasn't considering RON HEXTALL!!! :)

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:22 pm EST

But, the FLYERS have indeed signed DEL ZERO to a 1 year 1.3 MILL contract....Can't wish him luck there...!!

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:02 pm EST

TDCHI - If I was an NHL GM, no way I'd give him a one way contract...His mental game is THAT bad...His attitude wasn't much better..Nor is his speed.....There's no way the kid can be counted on for anything right now...He needs to rebuild his entire game and show his new team....Can he do it fast enough in camp? I don't know.... Maybe he just gets a PTC if he can't stomach a two way?...or maybe Europe/Russia is best for him for a year or two,,,

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:02 pm EST

have to think the way it went that Vigneault has a problem with MDZ, wouldn't take him on the lineup even if we had the hole to fill.

Messier11


Tue Aug 5 2014 5:46 pm EST

Hospo - No way he's going two-way. That's probably the hangup. Frankly, I wish the Rangers would give him another chance. The kid had SUCH talent...and actually, he was pretty physical for his size...just rocks for brains...kid could be a 50-point scorer in the NHL if he pulls it all together...though John MOORE is the safer bet, I was always a little disappointed MDZ didn't get a little more of a chance in AV's system. He's one of the guys I could see having a phenomenal 2014-15.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 5:38 pm EST

MDZ is not going to sign a two-way. If he doesn't get a starting position, he will sign in Europe.

Messier11


Tue Aug 5 2014 4:48 pm EST

PUCKYOU - Did Philly sign Del Zero?The most recent rumblings I heard were Dallas....He's worth a shot for most teams, if he's willing to start low (i.e., minors)..

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 2:38 pm EST

Last year NYR said they might stream Traverse, then opted to upload hightlight packages to their site at night the next day. Some packages 8-10 minutes, others were just the goals. Starts Sept 12th.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 5 2014 1:51 pm EST

David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod Tough news for Flyers fans, as team announces Timonen has been diagnosed with blood clots in his lower right leg & in both lungs Delzotto could get lucky here

puckyou


Tue Aug 5 2014 11:56 am EST

TD: Yes, MSG aired all the Ranger TCT games 3 falls ago (2 falls ago it was washed out due to the lockout and then last fall, nothing on MSG). It was great to watch, although those 2 idiots Rosen and Shitiletti were absolutely dreadful, yapping and yammering at their annoying best and oftentimes during the actual play. The latter drove me nuts because I wasn't viewing to hear them, I was viewing to watch the kids and some of those kids I knew little about. Worse, for about 1/2 the team I didn't know who was who and I'd see something impressive and not get who it was because of those 2 babbling on about nothing. It almost made me turn it off. One of the worse interviews I've ever heard they were guilty of during one of the games - they brought up Marc Staal's father to the booth and feigned and fawned all over him like lovestruck pre-teen girls over the latest teeny-bopper idol. Staal senior must have walked away shaking his head at those idiots when it was done.

RF4L


Tue Aug 5 2014 10:41 am EST

RF4L - Some of the games were, just not by the Rangers. They did the full tourney a couple years back, but said screw it. I know a few fans(including myself) sent then some critical comments saying a company like MSG should be able to layout for the two interns and sparse amount of video equipment needed to do a live web-stream broadcast. Never got a response. I'm trying to remember the teams that did live stream...one of them was the Sabres...and that might have had something to do with it...anyway, here's to hoping they're broadcast somewhere online...have they even announced whether there's going to be a Traverse City? I know there was some question about it a few years back.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 9:14 am EST

RF4L- It would be awsome if they were broadcasted, especially since we got so little from the prospect camp, but I am not that hopeful. We only got games when they had those really good teams and we kind of were rebuilding...

Ola


Tue Aug 5 2014 8:55 am EST

RR-The traverse tourney wasn't broadcast ladt year was it? Did you see any games in person? I'm hoping some are on tv this year...

RF4L


Tue Aug 5 2014 7:41 am EST

Not that it's much of a surprise with the guys Team USA has in camp, but third-rounder Keegan IVERSON was cut today...HALVERSON remains and, I would say, has a very good chance of making the team...hell, given that Thatcher DEMKO is the other odds-on favorite, I'd say he's got a good chance to be starter.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 12:06 am EST

Always thought Irbe was cool, not even sure why I liked him. Think cause he reminded me of Villemure.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 5 2014 12:02 am EST

I know we've already got a great goaltending coach, but Ive always loved Irbe

Messier11


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:30 pm EST

Brian Trottier brings his box of crayons to Buffalo. LOL http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=458708

NYStranger


Mon Aug 4 2014 5:37 pm EST

FWIW, Traverse to me these last few years signifies the start of the season. we're a playoff team now, as opposed to the dark years, so all that matters is how rosters look after the trade deadline. That's the team going to war. Until then, every step along the way, determinations get made, starting at Traverse. The kids who excel there should get a slightly longer look, while some play themselves out of contention. Last year, Kristo, Fast, Lindberg and Allen really stood out as I remember it. I couldn't believe how good Kristo looked, and he & Lindberg got on a roll and stayed there the rest of the tourney. Anyhow, Traverse, camp, Blue/White game pre-season, it all counts very much IMO. So 5 weeks and a few days. As much as I'd love to watch games tonight, those guys need the rest, especially Hank, who's already training. So are Brassard, MSL & Zuc, who was last seen running up & down step as in some euro stadium somewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 4 2014 5:33 pm EST

mf - I generally reserve judgment on players until I see them in a game...and I'm really hoping IVERSON is selected by the US for that reason...though I think he's a bit of a longshot in that regards...I will say there are some warning signs for me...namely that the kid is a beast playing junior hockey...it's good to read someone thinks he has good vision...I always wonder, though, when a kid is that big and doesn't exactly put up great numbers...I wonder if he's got the jump...and I could also be wrong, but it seems to me the WHL isn't the cream of the crop in the CHL...anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic. But I think he's a project, much like everyone else the Rangers have drafted in the past two or three years.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 5:17 pm EST

TD: Was reading up on Keegan Iverson 4-5 days ago, IMO this kid was a great find. Listed @ 6', 216 LBS, RHS RW, 18 y/o, who plays a physical game and goes where he wants to on the ice,. (read: corners & in front of the net). He had good #'s last year 67gp,22g,20,helpers, 42pts & 70 PIM's..... The kid says that he wants to play like Iginla, (no problem there) and, he's not afraid to drop the mits... I wish he was ready for the big club.........http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=153233 ........ http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/keegan-iverson/...........http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2014/6/12/5802518/keegan-iversons-unusual-path-to-the-nhl-draft

mf


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:54 pm EST

RF4L - yeah, I'm going almost exclusively off what I saw in the WJC last year. Eichel looked a lot better than McDavid, IMO, who really didn't stand out too much to me...but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a repeat of the HALL/SEGUIN draft, where no one really knows until the name is called out...on Sather not getting a first-rounder...I wouldn't make that call yet...The way I see it is there are two pieces of the Rangers that could be going on the market before the draft...the first obvious one is STAAL, who would certainly fetch a first rounder...I expect him to be signed...and when he is, I think the other guy who ends up on the block is NASH...if he somehow pulls his head from his ass and lights it up this year AND in the post season, maybe they keep him...but IMO, this is his last year as a Ranger...They're going to need to clear cap space even with MSL possibly coming off the books...and unless Nash shows he can be the player they overpaid to get, I see him riding the train out of town...and that is a move I could see bringing us a top-15 pick.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:13 pm EST

And for the record, I don't expect Sather to be chasing a first rounder next June, not unless the bottom falls out this year for this club and Sather is a seller at the deadline.

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:12 pm EST

TD: Right now I'd prefer McDavid. That said, I get the allure of Eichel. It will be interesting to watch their progress - right now they are 1 and 2, but more close than many realize. Too bad Eichel elected the US college route - in the CHL it would have been easier to gauge their progress.

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:07 pm EST

Traverse tourney starts Sept 12.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 4 2014 2:12 pm EST

RF4L - Not yet at least...I'm hoping Sather understands that three years without a first rounder will put a serious kink in the Rangers' development program. Wipe out first rounders for one year...fine...two...that's tough...but three? He's got to be on that board next year. If he's not, we're in for some seriously tough times as a team...I like some of these college kids they signed as UFAs...but they're long shots...the reality is, they're like lottery tickets and the draft is like full-time employment...if you're looking to make money, you get a job, you don't keep playing the lottery every day...But I digress...That Eichel kid. Drafting him would a game-changer for the Rangers. Two years of no first rounder would quickly be forgotten.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:50 pm EST

And, only becuase it's a slow day..Dan Boyle will be #22.....GLASS will be #15 (I hope I learn to like him like old favorites suchs as Jim Nielson and Darren Langdon)...Stemp will be 12 ...and FAST #91

Hospo


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:46 pm EST

TDCHI - And that would leave your two best FO guys (Moore and Lombardi) on the 4th line while the other three get beat like rented mules..I just don't see it being anything than Step-Brass-Lombardi-Moore down the middle..and with Miller perhaps battling Stemp for a 2nd/3rd W or Fast for a 4th W...If he doesn't make it, it will only be his fault.

Hospo


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:33 pm EST

Hospo - I think the top two are locked in, as you say...the top 3? There could be space up there for MILLER. My question becomes does AV try to get back what he had with the Zucc-Brass line and does he do that by shifting things up on the first line? Moving Kreider to that left flank would be interesting. I think he'd fit good there...question then becomes who slides over to the left, Nash or MSL? And if the answer is neither...and HAGELIN jumps up to Kreider's spot, then who plays third-string RW? My thinking is that Lombardi is bound for fourth line and that third-line center slot is going to either go to MILLER or MOORE...I wouldn't be surprised to see JT grab that spot and appear between Stempniak and Hags...leave fourth line with Lombardi-Moore-Glass and first line with MSL on the left side...I don't want to say Mills is a shoe-in, but I'd really be surprised if he doesn't make the team out of camp...can't read those comments Rhet0ric posted and think otherwise, IMO...FAST, OTOH, I just don't see it happening for the kid out of camp. But if Stempniak doesn't work out, I could see Fast stepping in...comparing what I've seen in Hartford with what he's done so far in the NHL...it seems to me a confidence thing. The kid is filled with it in Hartford. Like I said, he stands out pretty well...but in New York, his game seems much more reserved. I think once he gets his legs under him, we're going to see a player step in like HAGELIN did a few years back...just I doubt it happens until there's an injury call up.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:21 pm EST

TD: Eichel is next June...no first rounder for the Rangers.

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:11 pm EST

Oh here's a link to the roster: http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/2014njecroster

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:10 pm EST

RF4L - Keegan IVERSON is the only other Ranger prospect I know of on the team..MANTHA wasn't on the list...he'd easily be the largest defensman on that team though...but not the largest forward. US has a some BIG dudes playing up front. Thought Iverson was the largest at 6'0 and 216...but they got this man-beast named McCarron...6'5 and 238 pounds. Playing forward...get him on a line with Hudson Fasching, who was throwing around people at last year's tourney and John Hayden...that'd be a hell of a line to go against...Funny, I look at this roster and I see more than a dozen guys I wanted the Rangers to draft/acquire...oh well...maybe Sather can pull some strings to get EICHEL in a couple years.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 12:25 pm EST

Not sure if anyone has seen this but something very cool from across the pond. The Premiership side Portsmouth has introduced a team kit that has the names of 1,400 Portsmouth WWII vets blended into the fabric of the jersey. This would be exceptionally cool for one of the NY teams to do for 9/11 commemorations: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28642187

PatrickDiv


Mon Aug 4 2014 12:19 pm EST

TDCHI _ They can impress all they want but I doubt they supplant ANY of Kreider, Nash. MZA, Stemp, St. Louis and Haglein in the top 3 lines or beat out Moore or Glass 4th..UNLESS there are injuries...Meaning they are likely competing for one final spot at theonset..But again, ALL will be important as the season moves along and injuries hit

Hospo


Mon Aug 4 2014 11:16 am EST

TD: Oh....any other Ranger prospects there? Like Mantha and/or Nanne?

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:46 am EST

https://sports.vice.com/article/the-long-loneliness-of-the-nhl-offseason?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=realclearpolitics&utm_campaign=blog

JFC31


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:39 am EST

RF4L - It's the evaluation camp in Lake Placid. I'm not sure what international teams are playing in it. US has two or three squads though.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:34 am EST

Td. What tournament is being referred to there?

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:20 am EST

On FAST - there were two guys who always stood out at the Pack games that I saw last year. One was MILLER and the other was FAST. It was no surprise to me that the Rangers called on both of them during the playoff run...I would say the only "kid" who makes the team this year will be Mills...though I don't think Fast needs much more seasoning, I just don't see a place for him on the team with its lack of size...another thing...if you watch the footage of Fast and Miller from the start of the season and compare it to the playoffs...you get an idea for how far both came in one short year...My take on Miller is well documented...and if he doesn't have a breakout year statistically, I think we'll see it on the ice...he's the most versatile of the Ranger prospects, since I think he can be an asset either in a fourth-line role or, as someone suggested, in the role POULIOT was in last year...Fast, OTOH, I don't think you keep him in New York unless you can get him second or third-line minutes. We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised, though, to see both Fast and Miller impress from the get-go. Those kids got some serious action in the playoffs...that's invaluable experience.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 9:58 am EST

HALVERSON shines against the Fins - "The USA Blue goaltending duo of Brendan Burke (Scottsdale, Ariz.) and Brandon Halverson (Traverse City, Mich.) combined for a .947 save percentage. Halverson was perfect in the first 30:29 of the game, stopping all eight shots. Burke finished the game strong with 10 saves on 11 shots."

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 3:40 am EST

mf- We also must only look at contracts from a "portion of the cap" perspective. Chris Drury got 14 per cent of our cap during the 07-08 season. 14 per cent of the cap this year is 9.7m per. For a few years, everyone signed cap circumventing deals, and that has fooled many as to what the market value for a player really is. Weber, Sutter, Parise and co are making 11-12m per year, but has a much lower cap hit. Not to talk about the top guys, but the group under them, they will get around 14 per cent of the cap on the market. The Parise's. The Suters. And I think Subban is above them, he has won a Norris. 10.5m per?

Ola


Mon Aug 4 2014 3:34 am EST

mf- The thing is, all teams can afford a 11m player on their roster. Maybe not right away, but if they got some time to plan for it they would and could. Guys like Doughty, Malkin and co are just that important. And there are 30 teams in this league. 30. We can't look at contractas from a perspective "this would be a OK amount to pay a guy if you want to compete for a cup and have a good cap sitaution", because all teams are -- forced -- to abandon that thought as soon as someone hits the market. A player that "should" be paid 3m gets 5.5m. Subban gets 10+m per if he hits the market, I would bet my right arm on that. He is leaving money on the table to stay in MTL.

Ola


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:12 pm EST

Michael Del Zotto’s reputation around the NHL is in “tatters” following his time in Nashville. (NY Post) The Predators didn’t qualify Del Zotto and he became a UFA after GM David Poile said that he wasn’t a fit. Larry Brooks says that this is probably a good time to buy low on Del Zotto and he can’t believe that the Islanders aren’t “all over this.” (NY Post) He is said to be gaining a reputation of someone who is difficult to coach. (The Hockey News) Del Zotto is living with Tyler Seguin this summer and working out with Matt Nichol who says that Del Zotto is the first guy in the gym every morning and working hard. (The Hockey News) Dallas makes sense as a team for Del Zotto because of his relationship with Seguin and their need for a young offensive defenseman. (The Hockey News) He says that he is working hard this summer to prove everyone wrong after last season. (The Hockey News)

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 3 2014 4:02 pm EST

IMO, $9 mill per is 1st line center money, NOT PK Subban money at this stage of his career. Maybe next contract.. The guy said he wants to be a Hab for life, well does he want management to have enough $$$ to build a Stanley Cup a competitor?? I wouldn't have paid him that amount...... As for Staal, no problem paying him more than MCD, he's older, and been here longer... There's a lot to ponder, wonder if Staal's side dropped a $number$ they're looking for.......

mf


Sun Aug 3 2014 2:19 pm EST

Ranger47: By the time McD comes up for a new contract the cap will be close to or over 100 million. If not contracts will be shrunk along with the cap. Suban money will be the norm for number 1-2 D men.

Wildcard


Sun Aug 3 2014 2:18 pm EST

Boyle only works with a Staal-type player to cover for his forays into the O-zone. Boyle without Staal (or an adequately defensive replacement, which would cost more than what we'd get in return for Staal), that's a liability.

Messier11


Sun Aug 3 2014 1:42 pm EST

IMHO Sather may be best off by waiting to see what Dan Boyle beings to the team (or not). If he is stellar on 2nd pair D on the right side then you may consider replacing Stall beyond this season. If not, then signing Staal becomes more critical to the long-term success of the D. Can't see letting him go this year (because this is a key Cup year run) unless/until you have a replacement identified from (probably) within the system. That said, you cannot compare what he will get paid with what McD is currently paid - McD will earn a LOT more than either Staal or Girardi when his next contract comes due....hopefully not Subban money or we may lose him due to the cap!

Ranger47


Sun Aug 3 2014 1:21 pm EST

BTW, I do concur with LB on his lamenting that things when it comes to contract negotiations, seem to always drag on with Sather. It's more definitely a pattern that isn't, IMO, a coincidence. I believe it's Sather's arrogance. He's got two major cogs for his team (Staal and MZA) heading for UFA next summer with a 3rd who, if he shows last year wasn't a fluke, will also leave a hole on the team (Talbot) if goes without fetching anything back.

RF4L


Sun Aug 3 2014 1:07 pm EST

I've said it before and will say it again: IMO, if the Rangers want Staal long term, they should indeed attempt to lock him up now, rather than wait. Doing the latter is too risky in that he may go to UFA and then bolt for nothing. There's not enough organizational depth to allow that to happen.

RF4L


Sun Aug 3 2014 12:48 pm EST

JFC's point is key. You do nothing to weaken the D when you're going for a Cup. Staal can be signed, the can essentially kicked down the road. But we don't know the other options in front of Sather, nor what some kids like John Moore, Connor Allen and Brady Skjei are going to be fully capable of in 1-2-3 years.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:31 am EST

Hope all are having a fun and healthy summer. haven't been on much lately. I say trade staal. His brain is mush. Th rangers could get a real good player for him or good draft picks for next years loaded draft. Trade the guy. One more hit and he wont be worth anything. Plus no way he should get more money than McD

KIS


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:15 am EST

My concern is from a hockey perspective. Signing Staal is an easy deal to make. Plenty of comps, like Girardi, and he & his agent said flat out they want to do a long term deal here. But along with Nash & Girardi, that's saying these guys are going to remain our core for 4-5 years, we're going to win or lose with them. And I see no downside to waiting, getting a better sense of where the organizations kids are at. Don't forget, Stepan is UFA next year. Inking Zuc long term is priority one IMO. but the next year or two, Stamkos is up, Weber may come available, Ovechkin might well hit the block (I don't see him taking to Barry Trots hockey well at all; Trotz hiring could well be a harbinger). Anyway, odds are Staal gets his deal, and if NYR make any moves it'll come 2-3 years from now. All these NMCs mean bubkus. If the team doesn't want them they'll move.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:05 am EST

We already allow 30+ attempts on Hank on average. Imagine what that'd be without Staal

Messier11


Sun Aug 3 2014 10:55 am EST

Not a lot of cap space to play with re: Staal. If he took 5.5 (big IF) that would bump 1.6mm in cap room I believe- but he clearly could get more as a FA. Now, does Slats play it out to the deadline, like Girardi/Cally? He still has MSL and MZA facing free agency after next season-although Marty probably won't go anywhere, as he has been trying to arrive here for quite some time. Hopefully MZA gets an extension after Jan 1.. Staal would demand a decent price on the trading block, maybe be able to get a good pick in next years draft. Lots of possibilities. Brooks a shill for player agents once again.

puckyou


Sun Aug 3 2014 10:34 am EST

Agree with everything you said JFC. Id just wait until the new year to put anything to paper. Im nervous about some of these guys long term. In Staal, Nash & Girardi alone youre talking almost $20m combined, over 1/4 of total cap space. Id just be cautious is all.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 3 2014 10:10 am EST

RR -- Staal played 72 games this past season and the playoffs....he's pretty much put the injury worries to rest AFAIAC. Brooks is correct in that by the time training camp ends and we see ALL of the defenseman in this organization and how they stack up, there's really no reason for Sather to not have a fairly definitive idea of whether or not he's going to be willing to/be able to keep Staal. A few convos with his agent and a look at the contracts being given out to lesser d-men should make it pretty clear what it will take to sign Staal. If that's not what Sather wants Staal's contract to look like, then trade him....as long as he feels that the D will not be less than what it was. That is KEY....this team can't have a letdown in keeping the puck out of the net...any significant GA increase will crush this team.

JFC31


Sat Aug 2 2014 11:42 pm EST

Brooks pimpin' for players again, nothing new there. It's where his bread is buttered, certainly not from the tightasses at MSG dishing him info. But please..... The SOS , 'Staal must get a Girardi contract', and get it now, blah blah. Rangers can wait almost a full calendar year and still have an excellent shot at re-upping Marc. How's about seeing if the guy can make it through a full year healthy before cluttering up the ledger sheet with another big commitment? Or maybe (unlikely but ya never know) they'll look to trade Staal during the year, which is much easier as a UFA to be than with a burdensome multi-year deal. Because if Staal sings & geTs hurt again he's near impossible to move. Brooks inferring its a slam dunk when its not is when it gets close to shameful whoring. There are concerns with Staal, major ones. I probably do so, but I also want to see how this year looks for any number of players, including some big ones with some big contracts, like No. 61. The Rangers may need the flexibility. And I don't need the b.s. from Ole Larry when he could've reported something else factual regarding the team ( like Carcillo, for instance).

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 2 2014 11:12 pm EST

and the answer is, "GOMEZ" part deux!

mf


Sat Aug 2 2014 10:49 pm EST

Montreal is officially the dumbest organization in the NHL. What the heck happened between Friday and today that they dropped their pants and gave PK Subban a blank check? The Arbitration hearing must have been even worse than what was initially reported. People were saying that Shea Weber was grossly overpaid? His contract now looks like a steal when compared to this monstrosity.

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 2 2014 10:18 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/08/02/rangers-contract-talks-staal-ed-with-defenseman/

Messier11


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