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Fri Aug 22 2014 3:57 pm EST

going over traverse roster and our draft history. Anyone have status on the following: Nieves, Spelling, Fogarty, St. Croix, McColgan

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:49 pm EST

Rabid I said it before he played here when the rumors first started love to watch Nash play just not for this team. Hes a great regular season guy but when the game is on the line and intensity is boiling he becomes a no show. Not everyone can be a Patrick Kane but 5 in 41 is bad for a first line player making almost 8 mil the question is will he ever find that next level? If he does this team can be nasty come playoffs if he doesn't he will be an albatross

York18


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:42 pm EST

Maybe I am reading too much into this, or maybe my memory is just flat out wrong...........but, the Rangers don't usually send anyone to Traverse City who is considered to be fighting for a job on the Rangers or on the cusp of being NHL ready. Usually, they send guys that are considered a few years away. Why is HAYES going? Does that mean the Rangers don't consider him in the mix for the NHL squad this year and have him targeted for the AHL? Does that mean the Rangers aren't really sure what level he is at and want to see him against some NHL Caliber prospects? I'm not sure how to read this. The same goes for HAGGERTY. Why is he there?

Vic


Fri Aug 22 2014 2:31 pm EST

RR: The rangers are pursuing an identity therefore you will see many similarities between their picks and free agent acquisitions and why Hung low will never be a Ranger.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 22 2014 12:23 pm EST

RF4L - Ask and you shall receive: Word is Kevin HAYES has been added to the Traverse City prospects roster.

tdchi


Fri Aug 22 2014 12:22 pm EST

Zip: Hayes going to Traverse

Messier11


Fri Aug 22 2014 11:42 am EST

I didn't imply Nash has had previous playoff success. He hasn't, but he also doesn't have that much of a sampling. 41 games, 18 pts. Not brutal but not great, but just 5 career PO goals, not what he's paid for, no doubt. If he didn't have the concussions, I'd say sure, hammer away at him if it makes you happy. But I just can't without giving him one more playoff run. If he stinks it up then, I'd say sure, he's been a total bust. But IF the guy is a scoring threat in the regular season, sure, the implication is supposed to be the fucker will score in the playoffs. Common sense there though of course not everyone translates come playoff time.Crosby & Ovechkin amongst others have fallen off their pace in POs. Let's see if Nash is healthy and looks normal first. They'll be plenty of time to abuse him if he chokes. I don't know what else to say with him. Not an ideal situation, but I do think his guy was primed to be a beast when we got him, but he's had serious setbacks.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 11:27 am EST

Rabid to say Nash can still be a threat come playoffs implies that he has been in the past which is not true Nash disappears faster than a girls virginity on prom night come playoffs and everyone knows that.

York18


Fri Aug 22 2014 10:43 am EST

The Summer of Love continues..."Let's Go Rangers"

mf


Fri Aug 22 2014 8:51 am EST

I cant help notice similarities between two free agents they signed, Hayes & Haggerty, and two prospects (Miller & Kristo) they may not be sold on. There I go, stirirring up trouble!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 22 2014 7:59 am EST

Summer of love is OVER!!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 22 2014 7:35 am EST

NASH AIN'T GOIN' ANYWHERE!!!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 22 2014 3:40 am EST

I hear ya MF, I wouldnt argue agsinst a lot of that. Theyre not gonna do it though, at least not now. So then what? Gotta hope for the best out of him IMO. I think he can make some simple adjustments to his game and be productive for us. And if healthy next POs still be a threat.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:54 pm EST

Also, I've been trading NASH so long & often because he carries a $7.8 million dollar liability with him... Lets say you can sign Ryan to 6 yrs at $6.25-$6.75 mill... You save 1 mill a year that we're going to need for next season to sign Stepan, Staal, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Talbot..... We need those dollars .....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:47 pm EST

Rhet: Just to state the obvious, when presented to play for the Rangers, an Original Six, which made its way to the finals last year, versus signing in Ottawa waiting 5 years for their rebuild to take shape, me thinks Bobby Ryan will listen to all options.. As for his price tag, Evander Kane & possibly a kid or a pick gets the job done. Age wise, Kane makes more sense for Ottawa than Ryan...... Rabbit, I agree that Nash is a very good hockey player, it's just that he isn't good at what we need him to be good at... On another team, his strengths & their needs may dovetail better... IMO, Bobby Ryan has more of what we need now than what Nash can offer... Also, I don't feel our roster can offer Nash enough of what he needs, to excel to his best at this time... I'm specifically refering to, if you look at Nash cross-eyed, I'm gonna kill your family , to guys that take liberties or cheap shots......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:55 pm EST

RR: For his sake, Jitter Miller better show up early, too!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:51 pm EST

MF, you've been trading Nash since the end of Gm 5 LOL. Gotta give him this year.If he rebounds we've got a pretty good player. If not I think they shop him and you get your wish. We're getting pretty close.Lundqvist was back in NY today and practiced a bit supposedly. I saw Zuc & Brass drove in together from Ottawa the other day. I'm guessing this year especially everyone will be in early, maybe by first week of Sept or so for informal workouts, and we'll get some stories. Traverse is the 12th, Gorton said Hayes very likely to play.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:27 pm EST

Bobby Ryan is also not available. They barely just traded him a year ago. From everything I've read, he's part of the 'rebuild' there. He also seems pretty happy in Ottawa. BTW, we had our shot at him and passed because the price was too steep, I doubt it's any cheaper.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:26 pm EST

TDCHI -- All I think the SWISS league showed about LOMBARDI was that he was healthy...Which to me is the key with him...Not the points..And if he's healthy, which he wasn't in the NHL for awhile, I see no reason that he can't score over 40-45 as a TOP 9 center as he did three times before because nothing has happened to his speed and legs and the NHL is even more offensive oriented now..I'll be surprised and wrong if he doesnt' end up on the top 3 lines

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:19 pm EST

mf: Maybe but Sather isn't trading Nash. Not now anyways.

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:04 pm EST

RF: Think NASH would accept a trade to SJ ? me too. :-)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:02 pm EST

RF: second part of last post has NASH going to San Jose.... It's not so outlandish. SJ has the cap room, they just shed HAVLAT, and they're in a division with Anaheim & Smell"A"..... They got to compete as they pass the torch to the yutes...... It may be a yellow-prick-toad, I mean a yellow brick road to get to Bobby Ryan, but we can get there......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:36 pm EST

mf: I luv ya man, but you're bonging again. Nash and JJ accepting a trade to Winterpeg? Mmmm...less likely than Ho Sung winning the Calder next June!!! ;^)

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:21 pm EST

TD: I don't know enough about Joe T. to wish him here..... However, I do want to turn Rick Nash into Bobby Ryan and if Nash & Joe T would accept being traded to Winnipeg, what I'm suggesting is pretty darn creative / doable.... Winnipeg becomes a playoff contender while shedding a distraction. San Jose continues their transition while maintaining being playoff contenders. Ottawa continues their rebuild adding a 22 y/o young star signed for the next 4 years at $5.9 mill.. We would get B.Ryan, we'd need to sign him long term, (gladly) probably at $1mill less than Nash, we get a player 3 years younger, whose more balanced in the goals scored/assists ratio, a RHS on a squad in need of Righties.... Sather & Co. are you reading this??? I keep repeating this in hopes someone at MSG considers this... Out side of this being a longshot, I see no reason this can't work.......... Another scenario: Just trade NASH to San Jose, whatever we get in return, we send a package to Winnipeg for Kane, we trade Kane to Ottawa for Bobby Ryan.... No way do I want Kane here, he's too immature, and he's got a huge Ego problem now that he made himself some money..... Let him grow up some where else, we don't need his attitude in "our" locker-room...... That goes ditto for the Jumaicanese singer in the Isles camp....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:15 pm EST

TD- as resident Wall Dube watcher, I can say that he hasn't even led a team-much less the league-in scoring for the past four seasons.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:12 pm EST

Nice article on HF site about Duclair. 3 key points for me I got from the article 1) It's indeed a plus when a developing kid gets to play/grow in a winning environment (I've been criticizing Sather for a while now on how he too often puts together a Pack team that is destined to fail) 2) This is one nice, gracious kid 3) Ho Sung should take a page out of this kid's book in terms of humility (imagine if it was this kid beaking off about how great and misunderstood he is)....http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/111577/remparts-duclair-hoping-to-represent-canada-in-front-of-hometown-crowd/

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:40 pm EST

mf - I'll be fit to be tied if they simply get a POS like THORNTON. If they trade STAAL for him? I'm done with this team.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:39 pm EST

Messier11 - That was one thing the organization did say...they want the Pack to win. They do have a who's who of AHL superstars...Mueller, Potulny, Bourque, Hunwick, Kampfer...and then slap Stempniak and Lombardi down there? That's Calder material.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 7:37 pm EST

Hospo - The way Lombardi breaks down for me is that he had that season in a league where Christian "Horsemeat" Dube was a leading scorer up until last year...pretty much says it all for me...Swiss league is good, but in terms of the European leagues, I'm not even sure if it ranks at third...We'll see. Interesting that he, Stempniak, Hayes and Miller all have roughly the same cap hits.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 6:39 pm EST

Wolfpack must be Calder Cup faves

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 5:13 pm EST

Also saw Leetch coming back to MSG to do some comentary. Thats great news. He offers some of the best insights Ive heard.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:26 pm EST

M11: If in fact moving staal is not an option as you state, then my last post proposal of moving Nash may be...

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:25 pm EST

""May the 4 winds blow you safely home"" ..... as in Trade Winds.... So... Nash & Joe T. happen to have grown up approx 110 miles from ona another, Brampton & London Ontario respectively...... That is awefully close to Toronto, Montreal, & Ottawa..... Winnipeg, San Jose, & Ottawa are going nowhere fast this season, you heard it here folks........... SOOOOO... "IF" Nash & Joe T are willing to waive their NMC/NTC and be shipped together to Winnipeg, Winnipeg can send Michael Frolik to San Jose, & Evander Kane to us... We in turn send Evander Kane to Ottawa for BOBBY RYAN..... Ottawa gets a youngster who's locked up at $5.9 for the next 4-5 seasons, & we unload NASH at $7.8mill per and can resign Bobby Ryan, and probably for a million less than Nash.... At this point in their respective careers, Bobby Ryan will give you as much production as NASH, for less money, we get 3 yrs younger, and pick up a RHS, who can line up at all three positions (center in a pinch) ...... If some peripheral players need be included to make it work, BFD....... This is a good trade folks.... I'm sold.... And for all you deadheads, "In franklins tower, there hangs a bell" :-)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:12 pm EST

Moving Staal is not an option unless a shutdown capable of second-pair minutes coming the other way. Only Ds even close to expendable are Moore or Klein, and thats a stretch

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:11 pm EST

Moore/Boyle pairing: may as well give Hank a blindfold and a cigarette.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 3:07 pm EST

I see Jaffee saying Hayes definitely needs AHL time. Whether gets that on the down low IDK, but hes a straight shooter. Now IF NYR share that feeling Id say it makes a trade liklier. KIS, tnx. Made my day.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:34 pm EST

RF: Staal $3.975 mill.... J.Thornton $6.75 mill a difference of $2.775 mill..... we currently have $2,192,500 in Cap space but J.Moore needs to be signed, so figure we have $1mill to $1.2mill in Cap Space once J.Moore is signed..... Forget McIrath playing the Left Side D in AV's system, just don't see that happening.... I could see JMoore moving up to being paired with Boyle as JMoore is a good skater.... & then a LHS kid moved up to be paired with Klien.... This would have a veteran in Boyle, & a veteran in Klien mentoring a youngster...... Thing is, I'll play the "ghaaahhhvone" here, if we're taking Joe T off of SanJose's hands, giving up Staal & or Brassard AND a peripheral player, I want a pick coming back in return... At least a 2nd rounder.....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:20 pm EST

Also, no reason for us to offer Carcillo PTO or for him to accept one from us. We know what he brings, he did it just last season. Maybe if he doesn't have an offer by training camp, just to help him showcase to other teams.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:18 pm EST

TDCHI -I see your Point abot Lombardi's season in Toronto but, from what I read, he was hurt most of the year with his shoulder and was just trying to fight thru it...The weak shoulder lead to weak play and bad FO numbers....I really don't think he's been healthy in the NHL since 2009-10....and then last year in SWITZ..The Rangers obviously like what they saw....I still think, if healthy, he's the 3rd line C...I also think Stemp will be a top 9 forward...But his should all be decided in camp and if the kids beat them out, they beat them out.......As for the Rangers needing MILLER to play C..I agree especially for the future....But I also think they are very leery of him being able to handle the mental and decision making part of the postion...And if you are going for a Cup, which I still think the Rangers are, you don't invest to much energy in JT learning the C position if he ain't getting...I say let him loose at Wing to just skate and play...We'll see..

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:16 pm EST

I like what Carcillo did for us this season, and I am surprised that he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but I don't think there is room for him now or in the future. He will have a better opportunity elsewhere.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:11 pm EST

STEVIE - Agree on CARCILLO and a PTO....MF---yeah, I've been stumping for a Glass-Moore-Miller line for awhile....I think it could be really good and it takes all pressure off Miller to just skate and play rather then to have to think which is defeintely a problem for him...

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:09 pm EST

My guess is that Stemp will be a black ace, switch in for Glass at times, unless Hayes or Miller falters.

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:08 pm EST

If Miller and Hayes are deemed by AV to both be ready to go, someone will be moved. Either one of the most recent additions, (Lombardi, Stempniak, Glass) or a vet like Brassard, Nash, Hags

Messier11


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:00 pm EST

mf: Mmm...interesting about Staal, but that only accounts for 1/2 of JJ's salary. I guess SJ could eat a portion. But moving Staal creates a hole on the backline, unless someone like Allen or McI step up.

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:50 pm EST

Here come those Santa Ana winds again.... (Steeley Dan) Me thinks the only way we can afford Joe T. is if Staal or Brassard goes the other way accompained by a peripheral salary.... Are you sure you want to go there?????

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:47 pm EST

Drick = drink

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:46 pm EST

TD: IMO, a 4th line of Glass/D.Moore/JT Miller is awesome and works as a foundation for the entire 4 lines... To me it seems like, the Brass identifies the 1st 2 lines or top six, identifies the 4th line, and creates the 3rd line last..... That 4th line has grit, can skate, win a faceoff, and score... Liking that depth.......

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:44 pm EST

BTW, can Hayes (and if so will he) be added to the Rangers Traverse City team roster? Gotta figure the Rangers are eager to see him against his new peers and the only way he's not there is if the rosters are frozen (which I have a heard time believing would be the case).

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:42 pm EST

Slegs: Kevin Hayes was not going to get into Chicago's NHL lineup anytime soon unless they got hit by the plague.. Hayes is 22, & he feels like he is NHL ready.. The Rangers will give him a shot in pre-season to make the big club... If Hayes needs to go to Hartford and get 1st line minutes, hone his skills consistent with the Rangers system, & get recalled, its no big deal, it's just grooming... KK went up & back a few times, ditto JT Miller... The rangers have demonstrated that when they are committed to their youth, that this is the M.O. they follow... I see no fault in this.....

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:41 pm EST

puck: Re Kristo. Yeah and imagine how Ryan Bourque is feeling now? He resigned after having a semi-breakout season for the Pack with, as I understand it, his eyes on winning a roster spot with the Rangers this fall. Since then, Sather and company have signed a slew of veteran forwards and now a prize 22 year old UFA forward. His position seems worse than it did last fall!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:32 pm EST

Carcillo deserves an invite to tryout ...

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:31 pm EST

Not sure I follow Hayes thinking but I wouldn't be happy if he was nyr pick pulling that bs... Sounds like a confidence issue... Wonder what the genius promised him.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:27 pm EST

Hospo - See, I look at LOMBARDI'S contract and his last full, somewhat injury-free season in the NHL(with Toronto) and I see him as nothing more than a fourth-line reclamation project who may pop up to third line in a pinch...Admittedly, the buzz from the Rangers has been that MILLER is wing-bound, though I recall him playing center many of the times I've seen him in Hartford and it would strike me as a bit odd for them to say that and then keep playing him as a center in the AHL...I personally think the rangers NEED JT Miller to be a center...he's the closest thing they have to a pivot who can work the boards and forecheck...and frankly, some of the best hockey I've seen him play has been in the middle...conversely, some of the worst I've seen has been with him on the left...You bring a good point about the faceoffs and for that I have no answer other than to say STEPAN has been getting progressively better. I don't know...we'll see.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 1:15 pm EST

Mf: I luv ya man!!

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:37 pm EST

OMG, "The Summer of Love" continues...... just want to do drugs, drick some ice cold beer, and chase Hippee Chicks..... woohoo ;^)

mf


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:35 pm EST

Kristo signed-guess he better get used to Hartford.

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:14 pm EST

Hey, any word on any veteran Professional try out Contracts for Camp? Personally, I'd love to Radek the Magnificient Dvorak if only for his name and nostalgia...But, seriously, wouldn't hurt to take a look at, to say it nicely, a very physical player...

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:10 pm EST

Uh oh, the KIS of approval, I'd watch my back if I was you or you'll be swimming with the fishes!

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 11:46 am EST

got to give you props Rabid. in the beginning I kow I got on you and called you clown fish but I have to give an apology because you bring alot of info to this wall thanks

KIS


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:45 am EST

Rosen also broke up Brass & Zuc, which ain't happening' and when I stopped reading. Just watched me some Haggerty. The kid can shoot it for sure. Understated guy (and lifelong NYR fan from Ct) doesn't celebrate all that much after goals. Guess he's our anti-Ho-Sang lol.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:40 am EST

TDCHI - Can't say I agree with much of that gobbledygook from RoseN..Ask the bozo how the Rangers are going to win any FOs with their two best FO men on the 4th line and the other three "centers" under 45-47 %....GLASS was in demand over the League and Lombardi had a peachy set up in Switzerland until the rangers came a askin....They did not come to NY to be, respectively, a black ace and a 4th line C...Personally, I can't see it any other way then LOMBARDI as a 3rdd liner C (healthy) and Glass as a desperately needed 4th line physical player where he might be the only physical player on the team, unless MILLER sticks

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:21 am EST

The other guy I keep forgetting to mention is Haggerty(who I know very little about) People kept saying how Hayes was 2nd (I think) in college scoring. Well Haggerty was 6th. Heard nothing but good things about his game. Could be a perfect dark horse camp candidate.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 10:11 am EST

Here's where I'd come out. They need to wait at least a month, to get to camp and answer the numerous questions they have. Critical year coming, and no way to tell precisely what they have based off past performance, IMO. Lombardi hasn't played in the league in 2-3 years. Stamp went from Pitts 1st line to their 4th by playoffs end. Glass was scratched for most of the POs. We don't know what Nash is going to look like.or Dan Boyle, though he'd BETTER look pretty good. Lindberg & McIlrath could be ready, could not be. How ready is Hayes anyway? JT Miller? Just major major questions in my mind; Maybe they feel more confident in the answers, IDK. And just to add to what I mentioned before, no way would I trade Klein lightly. The guy was outstanding and settled down the D. Would McIlrath be able to step in? On Thornton I wouldn't have many questions. He's Joe Thornton, known commodity, quality player, would be one of our top 3 producers almost guaranteed.Good news for the Rangers is, they can now, thanks especially to inking Hayes yesterday, craft some MAJOR trade packages without missing a beat. Its taken about 15 years to get the depth to this point but it's there, we're damn near overloaded. But who knows, if a Lindberg (or JT Miller) shows in camp they're ready for serious 3C duty, it lessens a need at center. Maybe they go after Evander Kane. Hard to know what's going on in Sathers mind ever, especially now. But I do believe he covets Thornton, he's said he wants a big scoring center for a long time now.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:59 am EST

JMO, but you get a Joe Thornton to play with Rick Nash. You don't trade Nash for him. It makes very little sense. If i remember correctly, Thornton wanted to go to NY as recently as June so he could play with Nash, but there was no fit to make it work. I don't see there being one now. If anything, I thinks it's more likely that the Sharks are trying to get Thornton to expand the list of teams he'd be willing to accept a trade to ....Stevie.... Hayes saw no immediate future for him in Chicago with all the talent they have locked up there for years. He became a Free Agent so he could have a choice which team to play for. I don't think that puts him in the Lindros category.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:44 am EST

Seems to me Slats will have some prospects to deal for a big fish-be it Thorton or whoever-if he can also clear cap room. Kristo seems redundant now that Hayes is here-and Buch & Duclair coming next season-we seem well stocked. Good problem to have

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:32 am EST

There has been some distance chatter about Joe T the last while. And I've heard many trash him completely. But I mean like, I saw a rerun of a SJ-ANA game from last season just a week or two ago on NHL Network. Thornton was just dominating. He dominated more than any Ranger I've seen since JJs best season. All I can say that from my perspective, things are very confused when commenting on Jumbo. I mean like sure, if someone proposes that we should give up the farm to get him to become Messier II -- declare them nuts. That would be nuts. But if like we are looking to make an addition at the deadline and Jumbo is to be dumped by SJ -- he would of course be a TREMENDOUS addition.

Ola


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:18 am EST

If you saw it, RF, Thoton said he talked to the coach and there was no mention he'd be stripped, then he found out from a reporter he was no longer captain. What a bunch of orchestrated, manufactured malarkie if you ask me. Thorton's wanted to come here since his ' NYR are soft' remark. NOT saying id want it to happen, nut ive said before, SJ would have to absorb 50% of Thortons money year 1. JT Miller & Klein make about $3.8 combined, and there you'd have it. Again, we've touched on this before, and TD yes nuts cause he hates Thorton LOL. Really don't want to get into it because I'm not sure its the right move OR what they're thinking. But it is what I was referring to when I said Sather is prone to overkill sometimes.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:17 am EST

KIS/RF4L - Trading Nash...hat's about the only way I see Jumbo Shrimp coming here...trading one over-rated player for another...and though I could see the Rangers doing that, I'm sure the hope of getting JT would come from a misguided notion that he and Nash would end up their superline...I guess you could move HAGELIN and STEPAN..or STAAL and STEPAN...but seriously, if the Rangers are gunning for this schmuck, then they need help. Thornton is a worthless POS. Never liked him...the Bruins called it 100 percent right when they moved JT...I recall scratch my head at that deal...no more though.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:06 am EST

how about a trade of Nash and thorton. Play Zucc with Step an Kreider. Play thorton with Msl and Hagelin.

KIS


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:03 am EST

mf - THORNTON also played on a line with MARLEAU and PAVELSKI...So basically, his totals were good enough for second on the Sharks...they mean nothing on the Rangers. Screw Thornton. The guy is a loser.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 9:00 am EST

Not a huge deal-but incident when Hayes was at BC. http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2013/3/22/4135380/posts-for-charity-kevin-hayes-problems-bu-bc

puckyou


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:58 am EST

NY daily news has him listed at 6'5 225....beast

NV94


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:58 am EST

Some chatter this AM about the C being stripped off of Thornton to add pressure on him to accept a trade to the Rangers. I'm middling on the idea of adding Jumbo Joe but obviously, doing so means, given the Rangers being so close to the cap, salary going the other way. Who would go the other way - we're talking about a $6,700,000 cap hit here....

RF4L


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:55 am EST

No worries, Hospo...NHL.com's Dan Rosen step in for Despo this morning...suggests the following lines: Kreider-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Brass-St. Louis, Zuccarello-Miller-Hayes, Lombardi-Moore-Stempniak...Of course, he omits GLASS...I don't necessarily think Glass would have signed here if he thought he'd be riding pine...but I do have some serious questions about whether LOMBARDI is anything more than a fourth-liner...And I can't help but wonder if AV wanted his fourth line to be another third line.

tdchi


Thu Aug 21 2014 8:52 am EST

Hayes, a former college teammate of Rangers forward Chris Kreider, is believed to have passed on signing in Chicago because he saw less chance of cracking the NHL roster immediately

NV94


Thu Aug 21 2014 5:20 am EST

Why did this kid pull a Lindros ?

stevielegs


Thu Aug 21 2014 2:15 am EST

Gordie Clark admitted the Rangers' weakness at center last week. With Hayes on board, Miller can hone his game at center in Hartford to start the year. Anything happens to one of our centers, he can move up. I wonder if Hayes or one of the other newbies can replace Pouliot.

Bob


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:55 am EST

Im more intruiged right now why an unnamed source called Hayes a center when Carp apparently checked with someone and was told they see him strictly a wing. And not to be a skunk at the party but video I could find on Hayes didnt bowl me over. Didnt bother sayin that cause I didnt think wed get him. Id say theyre in a real good, totally unpredictable spot right now. Sather likes sure things, or as close as you can get sll things considered. Hes also shown himself to be a ghavone, from Lindros at the very beginning to Drury/Gomez in one day to hel bent for MDL last year. Or maybe he just wants to win. But nothing would suprise me. TD, Miller definitely more physical from what ive seen from him & Hayes. Hayes does have dome hands on him tho. Luvs Pat Kane.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:55 am EST

Nice to see the Rangers getting some size and adding prospects. This makes up for one of the discarded #1 picks. I must also say that they have done a nice job of providing insurance with Stempniak, Lombadi, etc. in the event kids cannot hack it. I admit that I like this offseason so far. I like the changes, and the improvement in the prospect pipepine. Bodes well for the future.

Bob


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:38 am EST

TDCHI - Funny, but I read that post about trading the rights of ASHAM for Thornton and knew it had to be you! :)...On the comp between Hayes and Miller...I agree that MILLER plays a physical game and hard to see Hayes matching it...but one thing, in college, a lot of the talented scorers (and Hayes was 2nd in the country) just don't play all that physical because they don't have to..and then it takes a little while for them to ramp it up in the PROs..as we saw with KREIDER becoming more of a beast last year..

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:34 am EST

RABID - Was thinking of putting on my DESPO hat and do some line combinations but, damn, it's hard...So many capable and flexible players..vets and kids..Hell, you could have two legit vet players like Stemp and Moore on the 4th line..or 2 of 3 kids like JT, Fast, and Hayes NOT making the team,,,,can match the BC boys together with Lombardi who can keep up with Kid K, but can Hayes?..St.Louis and Mza together could be a buzz saw..Just a lot of possibilities..OR..there is a lot more depth to make a trade!!!!...Camp should be cool,,...And there always is a camp surprise for a final spot....A spot you don't ideally want a kid just sitting

Hospo


Thu Aug 21 2014 12:19 am EST

Joe Thornton: 82 / 11 / 65 / 76 would have lead the Rangers in points last year......

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:58 pm EST

Messier11 - Here's what I'd trade for Joe THORNTON: The rights to Arron Asham. Even that's too much for that hack.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:56 pm EST

RR - While you could point out some similarities between MILLER and HAYES, they're definitely two different players. Miller is a hell of a lot more physical than Hayes...and Hayes has a better two-way game. They're both guys you want on your roster...complementary players even...My guess is the Rangers go into the season with an open mind...they got a lot of bodies competing for few spots...I don't see them doing anything other than signing John MOORE until camp shakes out.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:53 pm EST

those gentle trade winds of late .............

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:26 pm EST

I'm starting to think the opposite, that they're not done. In a year they're supposed to take the next step, just think too many question marks for Sathers liking. And Sather still very much in charge IMO. Also can't help notice the similarities in Hayes and JT Miller, a player we know the coach wasn't enamoured with last year. There have been some things happening on the periphery that don't quite add up. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:18 pm EST

I would have to assume that the signing of Hayes and eventual signing of Moore will conclude the offseason festivities. All of thse moves strike me as Gorton/Clark/AV driven and not Sather-esque. We let a lot of money and experience out the door and hopefully brought back what could be affordable alternatives along with roster options given the yutes. If so, perhaps we arent too far from Sather taking much more of a backseat and letting Gorton run the show?I just worry that with only Glass in the lineup we are going to get run out of the bldg on some nights and who knows if we even make it to the end of the season in tact?! Would love to see McIlrath make the club and a signing of Carcillo but given the lack of cap space I think Carbomb is bye bye.

PatrickDiv


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:05 pm EST

Rhet, awesome, thanks...... Gosh, we seem to have a full house these days.... can't help but fan the "trade winds" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:43 pm EST

MF....The League gives Chicago an extra pick. Instead of 30 picks in the 2nd round, there will now be 31. Since the Hawks drafted Hayes 24th in the first round in 2010, their compensatory pick will be number 24 of the 2nd Round in 2015 (or 54th overall).

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:30 pm EST

Rhet: Thanks for the info regarding the fact that the NY Rangers don't need to concede a 2nd rounder next year to ChiTown.... Question: Who awards Chicago the 2nd round pick? I'm guessing that the draft selection is somehow shifted to create this compensation to Chicago.... Thanks.....

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:22 pm EST

N.H.L. Concussion Lawsuits Consolidated: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/hockey/nhl-concussion-lawsuits-consolidated.html?ref=hockey

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:21 pm EST

Peripheral topic from the days excitement: (from the Bertuzzi mugging of Moore) Settlement May Be Near in Career-Ending Attack That Has Shadowed N.H.L......http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/sports/hockey/todd-bertuzzi-and-steve-moore-may-be-close-to-a-settlement.html?ref=hockey&_r=0

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:13 pm EST

Interesting that Carpiniello is saying, "just for clarification, NYR see Hayes strictly as a winger". That contrasts quote Weeks had earlier, which was unattributed, from a front office type saying he's a 6-5 center. Makes more sense they'd see him as a wing. It's where he played at BC, RW. Also changes the potential dynamic going into camp if he's not competing for a center spot. We'll see. Hayes also talked to Brian Boyle before choosing NY, one boston guy to another I guess, and Boyler gave NY the thumbs up.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 7:22 pm EST

Hospo, we already had 3-5 guys competing for a few spots, all or most of them versatile. I can't even begin computing the possibilities with the Hayes signing, another guy who can play all 3 forward spots but also has the size and skill. I think it just works wonders for them on all levels, prospect depth, NHL depth & flexibility, and on the trade front. Bit of a new wrinkle they see him as a center, but why not? We badly need the size up the middle. Only question now is can the kid play? LOL? Im going to trust their judgment for now, they went really hard after him with every team (minus Chicago naturally) kicking the tires and came away with him. Very pleasantly surprised. What they do with this new found depth IDK, but theyve sure given AV an array of quality choices from which to remold a SCF team. Glass, Boyle, Hayes, Stempniak, Lombardi, plus Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath and Allen to choose from for VERY few openings. I don't know if people realize the conundrum some of these prospects are going to face. There will be just nowhere for them to play. This is the best of both worlds as far as depth goes. All they need to do now WIN.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:58 pm EST

Kevin Hayes has a cap hit of $900,000 for the next two years (as expected). He can reach a max salary of $3.75M based on performance bonuses.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:58 pm EST

SJ trying to get JT to waive NTC. Might be the time to inquire

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:51 pm EST

Great line.... "Stripping Joe Thornton of the captaincy is a necessary step in fixing a problem that didn't exist."

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 4:27 pm EST

WOW, Joe Thornton stripped of the C in San Jose.... JFC.....If memory serves (at least from the games I remember watching) , Hayes only played on the right wing with Kreider. I am stoked to see Hayes in Blue(provided he makes the team of course:)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 3:09 pm EST

From NBC Sports: "And now he’ll be reunited with one of his former running mates in New York. Budding Rangers power forward Chris Kreider, who finished 10th in Calder voting last year, spent two years as Hayes’ teammate at BC — the pair were linemates during Hayes’ freshman year and combined to help the Eagles capture the Frozen Four championship in 2012." Maybe they have so e chemistry. Wonder if he can keep up with Kreider if he's slow-footed.

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 3:05 pm EST

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/rangers-land-highly-sought-after-free-agent-kevin-hayes-155957844.html

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:38 pm EST

Did Kreider play at all at BC with Hayes as his Center?

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:37 pm EST

Think the desire to have Hayes at C has anything with what we faced in the SCF? Gotta love the big body at C!

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:34 pm EST

Good job by Sather, creating his own 2014 1st round draft pick. Do t know enough about the kid, but he's gotta be here to step right in AFAIAC. Center, huh? Well, that gives us options....don't think JT is doomed....no shame in playing 4th line wing. I like how our depth and versatility is evolving....lots of options, lots of injury responses possible. Good stuff.

JFC31


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:14 pm EST

Moof graze on over there's grass over there but you might have to smoke it... Even if you don't you'll see looney tunes reality cartoon.... Now more cowbell please...got milk?

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:14 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=728795&cmpid=nhl-twt

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 2:11 pm EST

@stevezipay Anti-tank RT @mirtle: Starting in '16, NHL draft will have a lottery for each of the top 3 picks. 30th place team could end up with fourth.

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:56 pm EST

I'd trust BC's listing on him:6-4 , 216 pounds... May have put on some weight...VERY interesting if they see him as a center. I don't recall him playing center at BC, but I guess it's possible. I know Johnny Hockey was on the wing. I thought Hayes was on the right.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:56 pm EST

Yo squirrel nuts, your buddy Top is waiting for you on the "other Wall." Who let you out "Lefty?" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:53 pm EST

But can he sing?

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:41 pm EST

It's my understanding that the bone growth test is in great demand by many HS cheerleaders :)

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:32 pm EST

a possible explanation for the size discrepencies is that his orignial listed size when drafted was 6'2 205, but over the past 4 years he has gown to 6'5 225 . some sites may still have his original listed size. the fact thsat his game evolved so dramaticly as a senior may in part be related to this extra growth spurt. .when players are drafted at age 18 some have finisihed growing and others are still far from their final adult size. brian leetch was a good exammple was only 5/10 175 when drafted but filled out ot 6/0 195. thats what makes drafting 18 yo's so difficult. in fact in leetchs case i recall the rangers did a bone age test and detrremined that he still had several more years of growth. . matt gilroy is also a player who expreinced a late growth spurt which changed his pro potential from a non entitiy to a highlty sought after senior

docjay


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:26 pm EST

At 6' 1/2" and 220 I once met (and stood next to) WIllis Reed, Dave DeBuschere and Bill Bradley in a hotel lobby- and for the first time in my life realized what it felt like to be dwarfed both vertically and horizontally!

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:10 pm EST

shonuff - funny stuff..I remember running into Ric Flair and Beautiful Bobby long ago in an airport...Funny that at, say, 5-10 180..I was maybe bigger than those 6-2 230 pound behemoths!

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 1:07 pm EST

RABID - but if they want him at C and the increased responsibilities that come with it that might mean more time at Hartford to get the position down to where he's ready to play at the NHL level ...Or maybe starts out at W his first year as he acclimates...Who knows..I'll wait for camp....But the more players competing and ready, the better off the Rangers

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:50 pm EST

He is a growing boy

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:48 pm EST

6-3 205 , 6-4 213, Katie Strang says he is 6-5 225. Would would wwf list Hayes at ??? 7-3 300 ??? What is actual size of this guy ???????

shonuff


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:41 pm EST

rf a blind squirrel can find his nuts and his ass.....and his nuts.....brain still works.....so maybe sather is both?.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:34 pm EST

Clark may have mentioned Backes. The Blue referenced in Weekes tweet was Berglund.

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:27 pm EST

stevie: Or a blind squirrel! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:26 pm EST

Weeks quotes front office member "skilled 6-5 centers hard to find". Supposedly Clark mentioned Backus when talking Hayes . Havent had chance to track it down. Lindberg who? Thats why I said hard to predict what this move will mean..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:22 pm EST

Stevie.... I was positive about the McIlrath signing the first couple of years, but now I'm starting to be a bit more pessimistic. From everything I've been reading, he's still not going to be ready until next season at the earliest. Then again many defensemen don't put it all together until their mid-twenties. Here's hoping he proves me wrong :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:22 pm EST

guess sather doesn't completely suck.....he's a decent broken clock......a lucky one too......he's still hanging ...on the wall......

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:15 pm EST

Kevin Weeks says NYR view Hayes as a center. Hmmmm..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:14 pm EST

Rhet guess I wasn't clear, I wasn't talking about cap space. I meant the roster.......I'd rather see Big Mac take J Moore's job if he can prove he deserves it......I hope Buek has taught him well.....and he's finally ready for the show.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:13 pm EST

Per Kevin Hayes..... Really excited to be part of the @NYRangers organization. Thankful for the family, friends and fans that supported me along the way.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:07 pm EST

The Hayes signing makes us that much more of a deep team. Miller will have to earn his spot on the team (which is not a bad thing). IMO, Stempniak and Lombardi should both be looking over their collective shoulders that one of the kids doesn't take their spot away. Also, both Bourque and Lindberg are both talking like they're coming to camp with the mindset that they're winning a roster spot. I for one am so looking forward to this year's camp ...Stevie... Capgeek creates Cap know-it-alls. We have plenty of cap room for everyone that will make the team. Others that are currently on the roster and wont make the team will be sent down(creating cap relief). That includes the upcoming re-signing of John Moore.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 12:06 pm EST

Happy to hear about the HAYES signing though I know nothing about him other that what I've read. The organization needs as much young, skilled depth as it can find. I don't know if this kid can make the Rangers out of camp and I have no idea if he could even be a difference maker in a few years, let alone as a rookie. Still, the Rangers are a better, deeper organization today then they were yesterday.

Vic


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:52 am EST

TDCHI - Thanks for the summary,,,,But again, why does Miller have to go to the minors if Hayes is good enough to make the top 3 lines (which to me still has to be a question)? A 4th with Miller and Glass/Moore can be very effective.....The person it may effect instead is Jesper Fasth who might nave no shot......But, lets see how Hayes does in camp...also..never know if the Rangers are done and do not know if they have another trades or professional tryout contract for a forward...Again, a lot of possibilities...

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:48 am EST

Who needs Poo?

Messier11


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:47 am EST

it's better than not getting him at least, and hopefully a great move.....although many here say the nyr didn't have room....than I guess they don't need prospects, picks, or promotions right now.....slightly confusing......could mean jt jitters doesn't get promoted......

stevielegs


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:42 am EST

Hospo - I've seen a bunch of HAYES with BC over the past few years and my take on him is that he's neither KREIDER nor BOYLE...Kind of a different player altogether...Boyle at BC was a beast. He could impose his will on players...he was a beast in the AHL too...it's when he got to the show his lack of footspeed caught up with him...on a tangent, Boyler in the pre-2005 lockout NHL would have been a monster...anyway...KREIDER has always used his speed and quick release to score goals...but he also had the bonus of being a big kid in a league of little players...he too was an uncaged beast in the NCAA...whether shooting down the ice or just carrying the puck in the zone...he was a tough kid to stop...Hayes doesn't have his speed, but probably has better hands...He's also not a physical kid, but he strong on the puck...the guy who comes to mind for me is Blake Wheeler, though I think Wheels is faster and more skilled...Hayes is a good signing. He's NHL-ready and will certainly take a little pressure off the organization to find/develop first rounders...essentially, he's the body that fills the spot of the pick lost in the NASH deal, IMO...Said it a few days ago, there was some talk that he would have gone in the top-15 if he was able to re-enter the draft...I don't remember where that came from though and could be another one of these fans sites talking bunk...my question now is what happens with MILLER. One of those guys is ending up in the minors, IMO.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:37 am EST

Per Katie Strang..... Rangers make it official. Free agent forward Kevin Hayes has agreed to terms

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:36 am EST

Just saw where Keith Tkachuk is Hayes' cousin. It is a shame he doesn't play a tough physical game like Keith did. We sure need that.

GaryRanger


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:33 am EST

Will be interesting to hear his reason(s) for choosing us. Also, NHL.com player bio has him listed as a center..."who is comfortable either at center or wing."

RF73


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:27 am EST

I, too, share in the rejoicing at the signing of Hayes today for the same reasons cited on here already. What I don't know is how legitimate a prospect he is, but if what I read is accurate, he arguably jumps to the top of the Rangers prospect listings, although one could reasonably say that Miller's at least his equal, if not ahead. I concur that he essentially replaces the 28th overall pick from June's draft the Rangers surrendered in the MSL deal.

RF4L


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:17 am EST

Ranger47 - Or, if Hayes succeeds, maybe he slides onto the 2nd or 3rd line and JT MILLER can play with Glass and Moore on a solid 4th line...It's all up to how they perform in camp...a lot of flexibility and possibilities in the lineup

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:11 am EST

Funny how the loss of Poulliot and Boyle may have been the difference in Hayes seeing opportunity with us. This definitely should light a fire under JT Miller who, if Hayes succeeds, might be Hartford-bound or trade bait. Best case is that both players force a spot on the team...

Ranger47


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:03 am EST

When Graves is sent down his contract will slide...I think they can assign him but let him stay at camp a few days as well...but most likely a contract or two will be moved....even if only to keep flexibility for in season trades

Wildcard


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:01 am EST

MF... Chicago does gain a 2nd Round Pick, but we do not lose one.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 11:00 am EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24669477/report-coveted-college-ufa-kevin-hayes-signs-with-rangers

RF73


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:56 am EST

damn...Hayes' stats

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:55 am EST

Just looked at Kaye's stat's at BC and, man, did he take off last year in the goal scoring department! He also seemed to improve every year, at least statistically....Again, I know little about him other then he's big and strong and scored at BC....Now, the Rangers have had two player that did similar things at BC-----Brian Boyel People forget he was a scorer in college) and Kid Kreider.. So , is he a big strong guy that can stand in front of the net like Boyle...or does he have a lot more speed ala KREIDER..or, somewhere in between? Just trying to learn the new guy

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:46 am EST

RF4L - Obviously the kid has to grow up as most 18-20 year olders do....and the leaders of a team will help that process...but you also don't want to suffocate him and try to take away his individuality and what really makes him tick....Maybe a little extra work from an organizational stand point, but it will be worth it..

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:42 am EST

I don't know KEVIN HAYES from a hole in the ground and am only going by what I read here from my fellow wallbangers and in other players...AT THE LEAST, he adds prospect depth, recaps a lost draft pick, and provides more ammunition (other prospects) for a deal that might be needed around deadline time...At the best, we have a big stong wing that can skate and score for many years and MAYBE step right into the lineup...Either way, gotta love......Guess there's no room for Carcillo now, eh? Still worry about toughness and, sounds strange, but Glass better not get hurt

Hospo


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:34 am EST

with 50 NYR under contract-there is a move coming-as John Moore isn't signed.

puckyou


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:24 am EST

No telling what kind of player Hayes will become, but did we need a 6-4 forward that can score? Duh. Been advocating these type signings for years. Sounds like we caught a geographic break, kid wanted to play near home. Excellent way to recoup a No. 1.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:17 am EST

Per Mark Divver..... Word's out: Kevin Hayes agrees to deal with Rangers. Location was important. MSG's an easy trip for #bigdaddy

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:13 am EST

Kevin HAYES signing = Best move Sather has made since bringing ZUCCARELLO back across the pond.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 10:11 am EST

Leaves us shy a number two pick for next year. Gotta recoup picks...

mf


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:55 am EST

way to get that 2014 #1 back Slats!!

puckyou


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:43 am EST

John @Buccigross reports from Dublin on Ray Ferraro's twitter feed that @KevinPHayes12 has signed with @NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:37 am EST

Danny Picard (sports talk radio host).... Sources tell me Kevin Hayes has signed with the New York Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:35 am EST

RR - I'd have an easier time buying Ho-Sang's line if the kid's body of work was in the same stratosphere as some of his predecessors, but one very good year does not make a career. Seems to me he's jumping the gun a bit and that's unfortunate because people are now waiting for him to fail...he has a rookie stumble...a bad camp...a youthful indiscretion...he's gonna get raked over the coals...I think a good example of this was LINDROS...though he had the numbers to boast about...his sticking it to the Nordiques..refusing to sign and demanding a trade put a giant target on his back both on and off the ice. That kid sneezed the wrong direction, he had the entire Canadian press up his ass...certainly the truth came out later that he was, in fact, just a real schmuck when he came into the league...and I kind of wonder if that's part of the reason he ended up so banged up in the end...for guys going against Lindros, it was more than stopping him with the puck...it was personal. When I think about what could have been with that player...man...what we got instead was a couple years of the Lindros everyone was sold and then a shattered career of a player who couldn't live up to the hype he created...I see that playing out on a lesser level with HS.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:19 am EST

Re: MSL - As a preface, I'll acknowledge I was never for the deal that brought him here and never thought he was a good fit with an undersized guy like ZUCC already in the lineup...but that said, I see MSL as a RECCHI-like player...Wrecking ball had nothing left to prove with the Bruins, and his contract reflected it...never made more than $2 million per...cap hit was always around $1.25 million or less...the guy already had a cup ring...had over 500 goals to his name and 1,400 point...was likely already HOF material...He came in to a young Bruins team and was the veteran presence that got everyone flying straight...Bruins wouldn't have won the cup without Recchi...plain and simple...Clearly, the Rangers are MSL's retirement team...they're the only team he would accept a trade to for whatever reason and I don't see him being the type of guy who would demand $5 million-plus in another contract. I suspect the guy takes a deal for around $2 million if he still has gas in the tank after next season...maybe even less...if he's still looking for a big payday, he can kick rocks...but if Marty wants another cup, I'd happily give him a year-to-year contract in the same vein as Recchi.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 9:11 am EST

Per NHLRumorsDaily.... As of right now I'm being told Kevin Hayes will sign with the NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 20 2014 8:35 am EST

Divver, who seems to have the inside track on this, says the Bruins are out on HAYES.

tdchi


Wed Aug 20 2014 8:15 am EST

Some buzz Hayes leaning towards Rangers. I remember that night Iginla was supposedly leaning towards Bruins, everyone tweeted it was done, then he landed in Pittsburgh.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 20 2014 5:55 am EST

Late last night Divver tweeted that the Rangers and AV's have the inside track on Hayes. Hopefully, we find out soon.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:57 pm EST

And Hospo, think you nailed it on you-know-who, but really it all comes down to the kid putting points on the board, does it not? If he does that he looks like a new breed and everyone else looks like a schmuck. If not, he'll have more than the usual amount of egg to wipe from his face. Its just exceedingly rare I see someone who has a demon-like desire to score. From what I've seen, this kid has it. But time will tell.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:50 pm EST

Yeah, ya know, I'm concerned about the whole 'older' core of this team if they don't win this year, but Marty St Louis has made a lot of people who counted him out look Stupid, capital S. So think I'll just temper my remarks for now. He's a guy who can easily play to 42-43, if his legs hold up. Whether its here or not IDK.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:37 pm EST

Marty will have to go to one year deals that help the team with the cap a la Teemu Selanne. Marty also wont just collect a paycheck, it's just not in him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:24 pm EST

you re-sign your 40-year-old leading scorer, if you can fit it under cap.

Messier11


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:16 pm EST

I really don't know what to make of this Hayes situation as far as what it means going forward, though like I said I'm already hoping hard Sather doesn't even entertain the notion of a resigning of 40-yr old Marty St Louis next year, and nabbing Hayes make that decision that much easier. But one thing I'd bet the ranch on, no way in the wide world Rangers promised this kid any kind of spot, any quid pro quo for signing. He'll have to make the team on merit, and maybe that's why they're having trouble deciding. Avs are up & coming, but a serious contender in a tough western conference? Maybe. But we're a Cup finalist. Pittsburgh is a mess right now. The allure of playing possibly with the world's best player in Crosby would lose its allure with me when I looked at the rest of that team, losing Niskanen, their best offensive Dman coming off a stroke and a basket case in net. Their depth has really suffered, they dealt away Neil, so, IDK, even if PITT guaranteed me a spot I wouldn't be totally sold. We've got Kreider, his former linemate, but Sather & AV will make him earn it. One thing is they must really like the kid to be bidding so hard & so late in the process. Gotta figure we find out tomorrow.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:58 pm EST

From the rumors I've read online about Kevin Hayes.... The Bruins are rumored to be out and the Rangers and Penguins are very much in. The AV's were the favorites going into the weekend and are probably still in the mix. IMO, he went in to the weekend thinking he was signing in Colorado and the Rangers and Pens kind of knocked his socks off. I think there's a very good change he comes to NY. JMO though.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:46 pm EST

Hospo: How do the big 3 respond to such behaviour from 18 year olds? Not challenging you - just curious given your stance that it's good Ho-Sung is bucking the trend.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:01 pm EST

Still no word on Hayes. This kid think he's Lindros or what? Meanwhile Sathers out fishing with old Oilers and BTW, Wang sold the Isles today. Don't think it takes full effect for a few years.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:00 pm EST

Hospo - See, I look at it this way: A disruption is a disruption on a team...it's why SEGUIN was moved...it's why Sean AVERY doesn't have a job and I suspect it's why HO-SANG fell to 28th and will quickly alienate himself in the Islanders' organization unless he starts to grow up a bit...Interesting that this writer seemed very harsh on the Bruins for their move...But the popular notion among Boston fans is that Seguin left them with no choice...there were A LOT of rumors swirling around Seguin ranging from his despicable living conditions to his penchant for partying...and then there's the other popular rumor...and that is he banged Nathan HORTON'S wife...we see players sometimes moved inexplicably and you have to wonder...ESPECIALLY in the case of a player like Seguin...whether some of these far-out rumors are true...where there's smoke, there's certainly fire...and the fact they moved Seguin when they did and for what they did is highly suspect...I have a close friend plugged into the Bruins scene and the way he puts the deal was that it was only a matter of time until Seguin punched his ticket out of Boston...yet this writer seems to take the stance that the Bruins management just got impatient and flipped him without much thought...I don't believe that for one minute...they saw a problem that was getting worse and worse...the did the only thing they could to correct it...Now I don't think Ho-Sang has THOSE kind of problems...but like I said, his mouth is going to start others in the locker room that will not make him a popular guy...we'll see. He's 18. I remember how I was at 18 and cut anyone that age some slack. Time will tell.. My gut, however, tells me Ho-Sang will end up going the wrong direction, not the one that gets his name etched next to Kane or Crosby.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 5:40 pm EST

Another good story on Ho-sang/Hop-sing can be found at...http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/josh-ho-sang-is-brash-and-cocky-is-that-so-bad/..Personally, I hope the kid tears the Leage up...To be the best you have to be confident and cocky, and the kid has it in spades...Just think he needs to reel in the outward expression of it...and limit his stubbornness..But hey, he's a freaking kid.......ANd he may be stubborn..but so may be this era of scouts who all seem to want the farm boys from Canada, USA and Europe who are brimming with "character" and say Yes Sir and No Ma'am ,..They are obviously afraid and wary of a kid like Ho-sang and also seem to WANT HIM TO FAIL (because they don't want to be wrong).....Nothing wrong with something different if that player can get along with teammates--that's the only issue with me....And I haven't heard too many negatives in that respect..

Hospo


Tue Aug 19 2014 3:40 pm EST

K.Hayes is a southpaw.........http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7938

mf


Tue Aug 19 2014 1:20 pm EST

Hayes is lefty TD, unless Ive been watching wrong guy on YouTube. Reason Id like it is auto replacement for MSL next year. Still doubt it happens. We'll see...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 1:15 pm EST

Hope Divver is right; Re: Kevin HAYES...Rangers need to grab this kid...if for no other reason than to prevent the Bruins and the Pens from having him on their roster...I'm not 100 percent convinced he's star material...think he's NHL-ready and could be a great compliment for the guys they have coming through the system...the other crucial element to recognize with this kid is he's a right-handed shot...and they are very rare on this roster.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 12:29 pm EST

Arthur Staple @StapeNewsday BREAKING NEWS: Charles Wang has agreed to sell the #Isles to John Ledecky, former co-owner of the Capitals, and investor Scott Malkin.

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 11:13 am EST

TD, I concur some of what I see the kid saying is unusual. Point Ive been trying to make is, from the moment I became aware of the different situations surrounding Ho-Sang, teams not even interviewing him, etc., the whole thing seems very unusual. Maybe its how he motivates himself, IDK. But no doubt outlandish behavior wont cut it on ice. One only needs to remember the mob after Anisimov when he decided to brandish his weapon against TB LOL

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 11:02 am EST

TD: Your point about him making things harder for himself due his constant running of the mouth is valid. He's not invited to TC and given his outburst, won't be anytime soon. In terms of putting unnecessary pressure on himself, that doesn't fit. But, blabbing that he's gonna be better than JT is really dumb because as you say, lots of folks will be armed and ready if/when he shows in camp he's not. And if/when the press interviews him during camp and he's spouting off like that, guess who's not gonna like it too much: His potential Islander teammates. What he should do is STFU and then, if he does prove to be as fabulous as he says he is, simply say 'I told you so!'.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:58 am EST

This guy has Buch as NYR top prospect. I saw him play in last year's jr. tourney-and he has inpressive skills-sees the ice well, great hands/passer. http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/prospect-rankings/read-looking-at-another-version-of-the-rangers-top-10-prospects/

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:52 am EST

RR - No doubt, if Ho-Sang comes into camp and plays anywhere NEAR JT, then he's going to silence a lot of his critics...And if he outplays JT? Yeah, a lot of teams and organizations are going to have to do some soul searching...the part where I start to roll my eyes is that this is hockey. Not football, not basketball, and certainly not baseball...showboating on the ice is one thing...talking like a showboat off the ice is another...guys just generally don't do it...some of the things coming out of this kid's mouth are things a guy like Crosby would have never said even at his most petulant...we'll see what happens in camp...but let's just say Ho-Sang just turned the hill he has to climb into a mountain...instead of going into Islanders camp...one that is generally ignored because the franchise is such a joke...with little attention on him and a chance at being a late add to the Team Canada roster...he's now going there under a microscope and almost ZERO chance of making the junior team...there are people who are going to be eager to watch him fail...and plenty of reporters willing to write about it if he does.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:45 am EST

puckyou - Never a sucker for fan blogs and was particularly unimpressed with the Rangers' Traverse City roster...but damn, it's tough not to get excited reading the summary that guy posted...I know he's spot-on with a number of those prospects...which gives me all the more excitement for the others...In specific, it's interesting to read about this Czech kid, NEJEZCHLEB...never heard anything on him prior to the draft...But he sure seems(and looks) like a solid pick who could see pro action sooner rather than later...also interesting to think DUCLAIR could challenge for a spot...Nicholas LATTA was a guy I saw play toward the end of the season...didn't realize he captained Sarina...he didn't look out of place with the Pack...writer shares my same high hopes for TAMBELLINI too...and many of us forget Micheal ST. CROIX...But this was a kid who was pretty high up on the organizational chart until he stumbled a bit during his first pro year...anyway, I'm pretty pumped for TC now.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:41 am EST

The Rangers are “in the thick” of the bidding for BC UFA Kevin Hayes. (Mark Divver)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:18 am EST

My bad. Ryan Graves doesn't count against us. The Rangers would be at 49 contracts once John Moore is signed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 10:13 am EST

With the Kristo signing, the Rangers are now at 49 of 50 contracts with John Moore still left to be signed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:49 am EST

Again, Im not going to go all Ho-Sang crazy because he's now New York Islander property. But he was selected with what was originally the Rangers No. 1 pick, and is certainly an interesting conversation piece, especially on an otherwise dull summer day. Ya know, I'm someone who DETESTS what's happened in sports, and culture & society in general when it comes to what was once common forms of decency. I can remember when football players scored a touchdown and HANDED the ball to the referee, and as far as Im concerned its how it still SHOULD be. I can remember the Mets had a guy, Wllie Montanez, who would go through a routine before he got in the batters box, the likes of which I haven't seen repeated to this day, that was from another world. Spit, flip the bat, adjust the cup, fix the wristbands. It was like WTF? WTH is wrong with this guy? Little did I know what was coming next. Now we've got out & out murderers in sports, guys knocking their GFs out in elevators and dragging them unconscious thru hotels and getting a 2-game ban. It is MADNESS. But I don't sense that type of behavior from Ho-Sang at all. He's merely questioning what he sees around him, which, to a point, I think all good citizens should do. it's what creates progress in the world. he said that very thing in that interview, if anyone bothered to read it. It may be easier to just rip the kid as a blowhard, I get that. But I think he had every right to question why his GM compared him to a Harlem Globetrotter. He asked why?; said he was a hockey player, pointed it out. GOOD for him. Makes these assholes feel uncomfortable. A lot of the great people in history were misunderstood in their time. And Im certainly not saying Ho-Sang is the next Muhammad Ali (who people wanted to kill back in the 60's & 70's and is now generally regarded as having been great in & out of the ring). But Im saying IF this kid can back it up with his play, he's got a chance to be a transcendent figure. Hockey is certainly behind baseball, football, and basketball as far as fully integrating not just different races but different attitudes, good, bad, or indifferent. Maybe it's time. But it doesn't shock me in the least the Old Mustache Petes who run hockey have a problem with Ho-Sang. He speaks his mind. Nor can I find ANY fault with a kid saying his goal is to come into camp and try to be better than the best player there. That's what they should ALL try to do. As Ho-Sang said, he feels if he falls a bit short of being better than Tavares, he should still stand a good chance to make the team. And that's his goal. Should it not be? Im not getting some of the objections I see.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:36 am EST

WOLF PACK NEWS: Danny Kristo officially re-sign with the #NYR on a 1 year deal worth $826,875. The pack roster should be complete.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:26 am EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/traverse-city-look/

puckyou


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:21 am EST

RR: MDZ never got an invite to Team Canada's WJC entry due to perceived attitude issues and he's wasn't nearly as over the top with his raging comments compared to your boy Ho Sung. And look how his career is unfolding. IMO, citing racism as the reason for no invite and/or how he fell in the draft is pure bunk and deflecting away the real reason: Hockey is a team sport and there are endless real examples of how a me-first player, especially one that's very skilled and can make a difference on the ice (like Ho Sung appears to be), can have a negative impact overall and serves to bring his team down vs lifting it to another level. This kid sounds like one angry dude who lets his emotions get the better of him. No doubt, his latest case of verbal diarrhea is serving to enforce to the Team Canada management they did the right thing bypassing him (because this was the summer camp - if he kept his mouth shut and his head down and produced for his junior team like he says he's able to, he'd be invited in December). Talented or not, this kid is without a doubt a loose cannon and has issues. IMO, he needs a shrink.

RF4L


Tue Aug 19 2014 9:06 am EST

That interview sums up why the Ho-Sang went at 28th and to a team like the Islanders and not the top 10...and the funny thing too is that his 'institutional racism' comments from before the draft seem a bit off now after a kid like DUCLAIR...someone who was sort of pushed to the side...came out blazing in the QMJHL last season, earned a look in camp for Team Canada and, by most accounts, earned a spot on a team filled with high-round draft picks...as andrei says...let your game speak for itself...that's what Duke did...I mean, what has this guy accomplished other than running his mouth off? Nothing to compare himself with Crosby, who scored 145 points in the QMJHL as a 16 year old or Kane who had similar numbers as a 17-year-old in the OHL...and then there's Ho-Sang with one good year in juniors...one year where he scored 30 goals...one year where he didn't even break 100 points...and he has the audacity to question why he didn't get a chance? I say this, he's sinking his own ship here. There was some question whether it WAS institutional racism that was keeping his stock down before the draft...I think this article kind answers that question...I don't care what color your skin is...if you run you're mouth like this kid, you're giving coaches a reason to ignore you...no coach wants to be in the thick of battle and risk having one of their own players second guess decisions in the media...that doesn't fly with ANY coach, whether in the NHL, AHL, juniors or wherever. The LAST thing Team Canada needs right now is a loose cannon...especially after several very dismal showings at the World Juniors...Can you imagine what would have happened last year if as the Canadians were being shown the door to medal contention and a kid jumps up and cries the coaches could have played him more but refused...or some other nonsense? And then with the TAVARES comments? So you're saying you're going to outplay the CAPTAIN of your team? A guy you've never played against? A guy who you've likely never met? As a player who never played in the NHL? That takes a rare blend of incompetence and balls Good luck with this one, Islanders. Skill or not, this kid needs a good ass kicking. Sounding more and more like KABANOV, only a native English speaker.

tdchi


Tue Aug 19 2014 7:14 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/marty-st-louis/recap-marty-st-louis-on-tsn-radio-on-his-future-the-team-john-tortorella/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:46 pm EST

No argument Andrei. We can all have different views. Its why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors. Idk, you tell me, a kid who's drafted in the first round, not even an INVITE? Is that normal? I dont pay much attention to the team Canada selection process, but seems to me, unless Canada has an array of insanely talented kids coming up, Ho-Sang has to be one of the more skillfull talents that are eligible. Not an invite U-17 or U-18? Doesn't sound right to me off what I've seen of the kid, but again, let's call it what it is. If he's a loudmouth, new-era type hockey player, he gets denied a chance? That's all the kid said. I read his remarks carefully; its not some Ochcinco- type unbearable stuff. Seems pretty thoughtful to me. Anyhow, no word on Hayes I guess. Why every agent has to turn everything into a dog & pony show IDK. Its not like rookie contracts aren't capped. Still don't think we get him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:31 pm EST

Rabid Ranger, no desire to argue with. So let's not make this an argument. Time will tell. I can only tell you what i think. If i was a GM, my dream prospect would not be So -Ho. My dream prospect would be someone like Girardi. There is a guy who went un-drafted, worked extra hard and proved everyone wrong. Guess what, he was nver invited to to camps, either. If i was a GM, I would never want "look at me"," i'm this bad ass", "fuck you, i'm still the best" prospect. It's not a fresh breed of players. It's a disgusting, self-centered and plain stupid by some one who has not accomplished a thing yet. He was drafted exactly where he was drafted because rest of the league had told him "Fuck you". So he better get his head out of his ass, swallow his tang, work harder then anyone else on the team, and prove his words on the ice..

andrei


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:18 pm EST

How about "Jewmaicaneese?" ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 11:05 pm EST

Someone wouldn't have to tell me ashy Ho-Sang must shut up. Because he dares question the authorities running the game? Maybe you like how the game's been run the last 40 or so years, but I sure don't. Kid is a breath of fresh air. Says he's going into camp trying to be better than Tavares. Isn't that the approach you want your prospects to have? Again, its an Islander issue now, so I won't harp on it. But I dont know how anyone reads that story and come away with a bad impression of the kid. He seems pretty enlightened to me, whether he ever Makes the NHL or not. And back to the draft, this kids story is just dripping with racism. Call it what it is.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 10:38 pm EST

RF4L, i was thinking same thing. Kid just needs to STF and play. Let your game be your spokesman. Exactly why the kid will never be a Pro unless he learns that you can't demand a respect... you need to earn it. Fuck the Junior Team, become the best and make them beg you to join the main Team Canada. Man or man. Yes, Josh, scouts knew who Sid the Kid was when he was 12 years old. Not sure they cared much for you, when you were 12.

andrei


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:55 pm EST

OMG, Hop Sing really needs to the shuttup. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459703

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:13 pm EST

NY Rangers had "2" Defensemen in the top 90 in scoring... McDonaugh at # 17, Girardi at # 68.... Hopefully the defense as a unit contributes considerably more scoring, which I think they will, without sacrificing the defensive side of the game...... http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLDADALL&viewName=summary&sort=points&pg=1

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:42 pm EST

Stevie... No and Brooks never retracted his totally wrong statements about it either. When Haggerty was signed, he was no longer eligible to be sent down to Hartford(due to the time of the year and that he wasn't Ranger property prior to his signing). His only real option was to stay with the big club. Hopefully it pays dividends down the road....TD.... It was reported before Shultz signed that he wanted guarantees of a roster spot, a claim which he vehemently denied once he signed. Even if it was promised to him on the sly, there is nothing preventing the team from revoking it after he's signed. Also, It's believed that Schultz will be asking for $4 Mil per season on his next contract. He has delusions of being PK Subban.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:25 pm EST

Wasn't haggerty signed to a one way contract ?

stevielegs


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:23 pm EST

FWIW: Columbus has not yet come to terms with Ryan Johansen

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 8:16 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I realize that...but tell me this: You don't think the Bruins gave Blake WHEELER every assurance he'd be with the big club when he signed? Ditto with Justin SCHULTZ? Those guys were told they were coming directly to the show...and yeah...the could have been sent down...actually, Schultz WAS sent down because of the lockout...but the implication was they had spots in the lineup...Wheels would have never signed with the Bruins had he thought there was a chance he'd start in Providence. HAYES is looking for assurance...and if a team tells him they're going to start him with the big club and then reneges...well, I'm sure that'll be the last college free agent that signs there.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:52 pm EST

Avery should nominate Uncle Daddy too.... Butt Bung-Holio already went.....

mf


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:30 pm EST

Sean Avery does Ice Bucket Challenge and nominates John Tortorella.... http://instagram.com/p/r2P8cJKliI/

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:28 pm EST

TD.... We need to remember that Hayes is "Free Agent" but not an 'Unrestricted' one. He's never signed a professional contract so he has parameters that he can sign in. Per the CBA, Players cannot receive a NTC/NMC in seasons they are not eligible to be a unrestricted free agent. Therefore, no team could sign him to a deal where they guarantee to not send him down.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:55 pm EST

Avs/Preds supposed favorites for Hayes all along.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:39 pm EST

RF4L - Obviously, the Rangers aren't going to sign a kid who has never played in the NHL to a contract that says he can't be sent down...but clearly, HAYES wants an assurance there is a spot for him in the lineup and is confident enough that he can land it...What I'm saying is that a Hayes/Miller competition sets the table for some pretty bad blood to develop from one side or the other if both guys come to camp...both guys look good and Miller ends up the odd man out because of whatever the Rangers promised Hayes....then again, I suppose you could always take both on your roster and look to move someone else...Bottom line is Hayes is going to go to the team where he thinks he has the best shot of making it to the NHL to start the season...of the teams that are/were listed, certainly the Predators seem like a safe bet...but then again, would he WANT to go to a rebuilding team with little hope in making the POs? Calgary has the same issue...I'm dismayed to see the suck-ass Pittsburgh franchise in the running because this kid could very conceivably end up on a line with Malkin or Crosby...The Bruins are another one...remember they nabbed WHEELER a few years back in a similar situation...they could easily promise Hayes a spot on third line...the question is can they fit him under the cap? I think the Rangers have as good a chance as anyone...but have a feeling Boston will end up with the inside track.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:27 pm EST

Messier11 - The irony here is that the Jackets could very well be one of the best teams in the east...certainly in the Metro division...That team is just nails, through and through...but to answer your question, I think if the Rangers decide to trade Nash, he'll pick and chose what team to go to...and I highly doubt Columbus is on that list...I did here something to the effect of his NTC that was to kick in at the end of the season(replacing the NMC) was voided by the trade...and if that's the case, I'd say you can kiss Nash's ass goodbye as soon as that happens. I am with the general sentiment here in that I hope Nash has a monster year...I hope he lands 70 points and dominates...but I have a very sneaking suspicion that we're going to see last season replayed over 82 games...I think we're gonna get 25-goal 50-point Rick Nash and that it'll be enough to punch his ticket out of here when the post season is over.

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 3:24 pm EST

Would Nash accept a trade back to Columbus, now that they have gelled into more of a team? to the Islanders who have also improved depth this post-season? Is his NTC effectively waived, following his prior waiver?

Messier11


Mon Aug 18 2014 2:10 pm EST

TD: If Hayes is better and proves in camp for sure he bumps Miller.

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 2:05 pm EST

If Hayes biggest motivator is to get lots of playing time (and I assume he'd prefer top 6) then it's a no-brainer: He signs with Nashville. The plus of signing with the Rangers is their lack of top 6 forward depth. Duclair and that Russian kid appear to be on their way, but both are at least a year a way from turning pro and possibly 2 or more years after that will be needed to make the Rangers. Hayes, if he's the real deal, will be firmly entrenched with the Rangers well before then. In addition, there's a spot open on the Rangers top 6. Of the other rumoured teams, the Aves are brimming with young talent and I see little room on the Bruins or Penguins for top 6 minutes.

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 1:28 pm EST

Hayes meeting 5 teams today. Mark Divver was told a month ago Avs were the favorites. Hayes meeting today with Rangers, Penguins, Avs, Preds, and Bruins. He reportedly won't be signing with Phoenix. There's expected to be news by the end of the day.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 12:06 pm EST

TD: I don't see how Hayes would be able to prevent his team from demoting him if that's what the team truly felt was in his (and the team's best interests), unless, of course, whoever he signs with has to agree to a NMC be included in the contract. If that's the case, I don't want him - talk about a prima-donna! If not such clause, he could be demoted and should be if his play warrants it. I am hoping he's simply looking for a team with less depth than the Hawks, which is probably like 80% of the league!

RF4L


Mon Aug 18 2014 10:28 am EST

D Ryan Graves got traded to Quebec, same team as DuClair. Graves is going to miss first few months after shoulder surgery.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 9:23 am EST

Here's the deal with a guy like HAYES: If he wants to come to your team and you have room to play him, then you do what is necessary to bring him aboard...This is yet another situation like Justin SCHULTZ and even farther back, WHEELER...These are players that are ready to contribute immediately...I recall some commentator equating Hayes to a high draft pick...I think he said he probably would have gone in the top 15 this past year...If he wants to come to New York, the Rangers will find a way to fit him on their roster...plain and simple...but that said, you really can't make season decisions based on the whims of a 21-year-old free agent. The Rangers needed to fill hole...they signed a bunch of guys to low contracts...and I'm sure guys like MUELLER, HUNWICK and KOSTKA aren't walking into camp thinking they've got a spot...If the Rangers are on HAYES' list and are among the finalists, they'll make it happen...Frankly, I think the biggest obstacle could be JT MILLER...Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see the scenario where they're both in the opening day lineup absent injury...In the case of HAYES, if you sign him to replace POULIOT on the Zucc line...then that bumps MSL down to third with HAGELIN and Lombard/Moore...and your fourth line becomes STEMPNIAK, the odd center out and GLASS. Can the Rangers justify playing a fresh-out-of-college forward in Miller's place?

tdchi


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:24 am EST

MF... Exactly. Kevin Hayes will have a max cap hit of $900k no matter who he signs with. If we sign Moore to an 2-year average of $1.1 million, we'd have approx. $1 Mil as a buffer. We could even keep Kostka or Hunwick with the team until we needed to make a move.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 18 2014 7:10 am EST

Following up on same cap numbers, if Moore signs between 800k-1.2m, and you add Lindberg (675k) and re-up Carcillo around 750k, it all fits; with around 400k to spare, maybe a little more pending price of DC & JM.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 18 2014 6:44 am EST

Current Cap Space: $3,092,500..... Comprised of the following...Mueller, Kostka, Hunwick, Fast, sent down... JTMiller brought up... JMoore yet to be signed.....

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:51 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2166268-pavel-buchnevich-showing-signs-of-becoming-rangers-next-top-offensive-prospect

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:49 pm EST

MF... That is just a case of a guy reading Cap Geek and pulling a supposition out of his arse, There is plenty of money for both John Moore and Kevin Hayes. The Rangers could also have a roster of 21-22 players, depending on who makes the team this season. IMO, the holdup with Moore is over both money and years. I'm sure Moore would be willing to sign for less if he could get a 1-year deal so he could have arbitration leverage next season.The Rangers would probably like to sign him for $1.1 or less on a 2-year deal. Anyway, I'd bet it get's done before camp, no matter what Hayes does.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 17 2014 8:52 pm EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/08/17/new-york-rangers-john-moores-next-contract-may-depend-on-kevin-hayes-decision/

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:22 pm EST

Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztkr2S9oNGk

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:13 pm EST

Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y3hoEGIPMQ

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:11 pm EST

Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NqZQrDrNNk

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 7:03 pm EST

SEAN DAY: For those of you who follow the youth movement as they ascend the ranks, this 15 year old is the fourth player to be granted exceptional player status, following John Tavares in 2005, Aaron Ekblad in 2011 and Connor McDavid last season. Day is the first such player to not be taken first in the OHL draft..... I stumbled across his name while reading a McDavid article... This 15 year old is currently listed at 6'2" and 217 lbs.... The good news is we still have our 1st round draft pick 2 & 3 yrs from now "so" technically, we got a shot at him.... At 15, Sean Day has the poise in his speaking and his play of a college Freshman... here are some links for anyone interested...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebqHIlwx0U ....... http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/03/08/interview-sean-day-mississauga-steelheads-exceptional-player/ ....http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=664438 .....

mf


Sun Aug 17 2014 6:22 pm EST

JD still bleeding Ranger blue does the ice bucket challenge(throws the gauntlet down for Glen Sather and Sam Rosen)... http://snyrangersblog.com/former-rangers/john-davidson/watch-jd-wears-old-rangers-gear-to-do-ice-bucket-challenge/ ....Marty St. Louis and Brad Richards do the Ice Bucket challenge... http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/watch-marty-st-louis-does-ice-bucket-challenge/ .....Derek Brassard does it too..... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/derick-brassard/watch-derick-brassard-does-ice-bucket-challenge/

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 17 2014 2:05 pm EST

Agreed on Hayes not coming here. Plenty of teams chasing him will pencil him right in.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 17 2014 1:33 pm EST

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see Hayes signing with the Rangers. I think he is going to want to go to a team where he is pretty much guaranteed a spot in the lineup. My bet is he goes to Calgary to play with college teammate Johnny Gaudreau and have the opportunity to play a lot.

evets1980


Sun Aug 17 2014 12:13 pm EST

Pardon my rotten typing! :( I sometime use Hospo as my spellchecker.. :)

Ranger47


Sun Aug 17 2014 12:11 pm EST

TD: Of course there are some prospects who'd psyche is such that they need to be transitioned slowly. The team management needs to identify and nurture them. But there are probably as many or more who - based on their compeititve drive and history of success - will flourish when challenged at the NHL level. We'll need to see who is who when camp starts. I'm hoping that the taste JT got last year was enough for him to come in both physically and mentally ready to compete. I firmly believe Fasth and Lingberg will be pushing mgmt to find spots for them.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 17 2014 12:08 pm EST

RF4L: It will vary by player, of course. 3 of your examples were Dmen who tend to need more time to develop. We are seeing a lot more of teenagers starting in the NHL without all that AHL time. And, right or wrong, this is a trend we will continue to see as long as there is a cap which makes you play your borderline prospects to be able to pay the rest of the team. See how teams with injuries bring up prospects and they play fine (Philly and Boston come to mind in our conference). Some players need to play against better players to develop (while others can develop at a slower pace). But, to net what I was saying, IMHO we really need to give some of our prospects a real shot at making the team but playing them in their best position (even if that is a top line) rather than wean on a 4th line where their strengths are not showcased.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:58 am EST

Ranger47: I respectively disagree. I mean, do you really think a player cannot get better playing with those at his competitive level? Maybe if that player is a veteran, but we are talking about young developing players (oftentimes teenagers to boot). IMO, especially if it's a kid with perceived high-end skill, it's far safter (and therefore smarter) to let him dominate his own level before promoting him. Confidence plays an integral part in any athlete's ability to perform and that can be a fleeting thing with kids. So many of today's stars dominated their own age group before turning pro. Why Sather and company so often seem to behave contrary to that with their youth is beyond me. If you look at the current Ranger who were developed by the Rangers and playing well, none, IMO were rushed. Arguably the best is McDonagh and he spurned Sather's attempts to sign him early and played 3 college years before going pro (and started in the AHL). Staal played 2 years of junior after being drafted. Hags completed his college years. Callahan did an overage year (his choice, not Sather's). Kreider, like McDonagh, spurned Sather's overtures and played 3 years of college hockey. Girardi spent nearly 2 years in the minors. Stepan might be the only exception - one year after being drafted (2 years of college hockey) he went pro. But at least he was 20 at the time. Anyways, I think my point is clear....whether or not you agree with it is, of course, another thing altogether!!!

RF4L


Sun Aug 17 2014 11:45 am EST

mf: It's more than that - yeah his speed is top notch (amongst the fastest in the league) and yeah it stood out more when the team was slower, but it's what he does with that speed, did then and still does now. He gets in on the forecheck continually and makes things happen down low because of it. I didn't see Fast do that. That's what I was expecting to see because of the comparisons we heard so often, especially speed. That said, Kreider has the same speed and often is the first man deep but it took him nearly 2 years to start figuring out how to take advantage of that. Hopefully, Fast learns. The thing is, I saw the speed of Hags from the first game he played and I saw that speed from Kreider early on, too. I didn't see that from Fast.

RF4L


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:43 am EST

Gee, sorry to bore you Hospo LOL. Ive tried to make some subtle points regarding Lindberg. And I guess Id make that my final point as it relates to his readiness. Hes a subtle player, and IDK people whove seen him at a glance realize it. But I think the front office definitely has, and theyre quietly very high on him because of it. Youre right though, the proof will be in the pudding, and he & the other kids will have to beat pretty good NHL players to get in.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:31 am EST

Regarding the kids..just one big feedback cycle with all of us saying the same thing over and over...Everybody has some valid points...The only thing new over the last month is that they now have to compete with Lombardi and Stempniak...Bottom line, it will al be determined in camp and by AV..Should be an interesting month....

Hospo


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:28 am EST

I see no similarities whatsoever between Fast and Nemchinov. One guy had great balance, low center of gravity, real honed-in defensive player. Fast has looked like a flimsy little nothing to me, though I have seen him do a few nice thing am with the puck, and he seems positionally sounds. As Ola pointed out, the injuries have slowed him. And for a guy with his game, that could be the difference between the N and the A. Lindberg, BTW, has already played 4 years against men in Europe, and a 5th last year in Hartford. The kid won't wilt because he's playing against Wayne Simmons or whomever. The top tier guys, the Malkin's and Ovechkins? Everybody has trouble playing against them.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:15 am EST

stevielegs - I think we saw a glimpse of that in the conference finals...IMO, Miller has turned the corner and the only direction for him is up. Will be interesting to see how the HAYES situation shakes out because I think that will determine where/whether Miller ends up in the opening day lineup.

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:13 am EST

On FAST - I think he's a great example of a guy who needs to build some confidence in the AHL...His first game with the Whale, he was impressive...right out of the blocks...and then got injured in the third and was out...I still don't really know why AV kept him with the big club to start the season...but the player I've seen in the NHL isn't nearly the player I've seen play in the AHL...I think Fast is a very good prospect...I can't remember Nemchinov enough to compare the two, but I could see Fast putting up similar numbers. He's a shifty player with good speed and good moves...I don't think there's any comparing him to HAGELIN other than to say they're both Swedish and both somewhat undersized...just two totally different players. Hags uses his speed to get to the net...Fast can dangle.

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:13 am EST

Mentally mature is what jt jitters has not shown ... He has to prove to veenyo he is.... To be on the roster...

stevielegs


Sun Aug 17 2014 10:01 am EST

...er...dominating at the AHL level...

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 9:50 am EST

Ranger47 - There are many other sides to that argument...one is if you promote a kid to the NHL and he gets crushed by the big league competition and has his confidence dashed...then gets demoted and his it dashed further...or he gets to the NHL, shows he doesn't belong, but gets a big head and an attitude...and becomes un-coachable at the lower levels...two names come to mind...Manny MALHOTRA and Micheal DEL ZOTTO...two examples of guys who needed to be eased into the action...but ended up getting shoved into the NHL before they were mentally mature who had their careers stunted...I mean, there's really no clear blueprint for graduating players from the lower levels to the NHL, especially since some...Like LINDBERG...are coming from professional leagues that are on par or above the AHL...Lindberg is coming off of a hot streak in the AHL and was also among the guys on the cup finals taxi squad...he was training with the Rangers from the end of the Pack season until early June...what that means, IMO, is that he'll get a good look in camp and most likely be sent back to the minors to make the final step. Mind you, he had a good second half...he still wasn't dominating at the NHL...the only two guys I saw who instantly stood out last year were FAST and MILLER...KRISTO stood out in flashes...but was just too easy to knock off the puck, IMO...Now when you take a kid like MILLER...as JFC said...there's nothing left for him to do at the AHL level.

tdchi


Sun Aug 17 2014 9:08 am EST

There's another aspect to being with the Rangers versus Hartford when a player is on the cusp, its hardly ever mentioned but important IMO. And that's practicing with the team, being coached in this case by AV & staff vs.Gernander, utilizing everything the big team has for training and prep, which is considerably more advanced for the NHL club. Just shooting on Hank everyday instead of Scott Stacer (or whomever the Pack has in net now), practicing against our D, one of the best in the world, makes a huge difference to offensive prospects especially, IMO. Also getting acclimated to the travel and game prep, which there's much more of than a few minor league bus trips, it all makes for a big adjustment. The quicker a kid gets used to all that, the better. And that's before any of the tutoring that comes from player to player, which can really only be found at the highest level for some of these top flight prospects and which they, the young players, say is invaluable. Case in point was Kreider last year saying at critical times for him, he got help in virtually every area from none other than Brad Richards. That's why for a kid straddling that middle AHL/NHL ground, there's more to it than just there minor league stats.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 16 2014 7:18 pm EST

Per Mark Divver.... Hearing that Kevin Hayes camp will spend Sunday narrowing list of NHL suitors, then speak with 4 to 5 finalists on Mon.

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 16 2014 6:13 pm EST

Stadium Series Sweep. Knocking out both Philly & Pittsburgh in long playoff series ... c'mon now, unbelievable. 3 OT games in the CUP Finals. That was a season for the ages!!

hipcheck


Sat Aug 16 2014 4:27 pm EST

BTW, does anyone else see a little of Sergei Nemchinov in Fasth's game? Not a bad player to have in the lineup!

Ranger47


Sat Aug 16 2014 4:12 pm EST

I'm far from a great judge of talent, but I like Fasth's overall game. I recall during and after training camp LAST YEAR that Dave Maloney said the player that most impressed him during camp was Fasth, So, I'm willing to believe that he has a good shot to make this team or be one of the first callups in the event of injury....

Ranger47


Sat Aug 16 2014 2:37 pm EST

RF: If memory serves me correctly, when hags cane in we were avg in the speed dept., so he stood out. Fast joins a squad that has Hag's, KK, JMoore, MCD, he doesn't stand out. I watched fast finish all his checks when they presented themselves, he played the corners, and I don't recall any defensive gaffs. This kid has at least the 3rd best set of wheels on this club..he also came in during a crucial time of the year for us...I'm partial to our guys, but I think we have a keeper here. Right handed shot to boot...

mf


Sat Aug 16 2014 1:41 pm EST

Ranger47 -- good points....there's no hard & fast rule about how much AHL ice time is ideal....it depends on the individual. Some players thrive when they play with better players, better line mates, better D partners....they rise to the level and feed off surrounding talent. Other guys get overwhelmed and lose confidence. One guy who really needs to stay away from the AHL at this point is JT Miller....he toys with the competition down there. He needs to be in the NHL to sink or swim at this point. I hope he busted his ass learning his responsibilities and getting physically primed....it's put up or shut up time for JT, IMO.

JFC31


Sat Aug 16 2014 12:44 pm EST

Just to chime in with another aspect of whether or not to send kids down or let them learn at the NHL level...It's been my experience in other areas of competition that ir's only when you play against people who are better than you that you really learn how to improve. Moreover, when you consistently play against those at about your skill level that you frequently fail to progress. Worse than that, you find ways to "outplay" them (or dominate) which actually can hurt you when you get to the next level. For example, hogging the puck and doing spinaramas which at the AHL level may make you a leading goalscorer there can be bad habits which need to be unlearned before you can really improve at the next level up where those moves simply do not work against better players. And, UNLEARNING bad habits usually are harder to do than learning new good habits. Just saying that I've both seen AHL players deemed to not be ready for the NHL come up and surprise at how well they fare against better players, and others who appeared to be ready to make the jump after dominating at the AHL level fall flat on their faces. So, the net is that you frequently need to really give your AHL-level prospects some quality time at the NHL level from time to time to know for sure when they're ready/

Ranger47


Sat Aug 16 2014 10:33 am EST

TD, as I've said before, I don't believe a player has to master a level to advance, learn and grow. And just cause a guy might hit a few bumps in the road, his confidence isn't necessarily damaged, and certainly not beyond repair. There's a flip side price to be paid when a guy is toiling in an inferior league and not learning. Only way to find out is to find out when these kids get close. Now on NASH, the team had to try to get better. They didn't have an excellent first line forward. One can argue whether Nash was one or not at the time of the deal, but for certain he was the best such option available. We can list the assets they gave up all day, you'd still have to show me the better player they gave up. Now, am I concerned they put all their eggs in one basket and it got Lucic'd? You bet I am, and as you point out, the combination of Nash & MSL gets to be an expensive outlay. It needs to work or something s going to have to be done with both of them.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 16 2014 10:23 am EST

TD: Re your Nash post. I don't disagree. My whole point was the Hawks are indeed a very well run franchise with 2 recent cups to their name and as we are saying, a feeder system that's overflowing and it all started via drafting at the very top (bottom?). That's how LA got 2 of their key players (Kopitar and Doughty). The Aves seemed poised to be a very good team for years to come - the same thing. It's not a guaranteed way to be successful, but damn it sure helps.

RF4L


Sat Aug 16 2014 10:20 am EST

Some of you guys are talking about Fast, Lindberg and Miller if they are sure things. IMO, that's getting ahead of the game. In the few games I saw of Fast, I wasn't at all impressed. So much has been written/said about him being comparable to Hagelin but I sure didn't see it - even the speed game Hags had I didn't see. Hags, on the other hand, impressed me the first game he was called up. Miller I see flashes, but until I see consistency in his game I'm reluctant to call him a sure thing. Lindberg I've not seen so there's no way I would be able to declare he's a sure thing. The reports on him are encouraging, especially that he was apparently the best Pack player in the 2nd half of last season. All that said, I'm not declaring the opposite either (that they are busts) - I just wanna see more from all 3 first.

RF4L


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:59 am EST

TDCHI - Taking that a step further, I don't think anybody contests that Lindberg, Fast or MIller will be good NHLers...the only things we differ on is when we feel they will be ready to contribute significantly and consistently and above what the Rangers already have....But lord knows there will be injuries and all three will get the chance to strut their stuff this season and determine where they belong

Hospo


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:35 am EST

RR - Don't get me wrong: I think Lindberg will be a fine NHLer. I like the kid's style. Unlike a guy like MILLER, he doesn't play a flashy game...he doesn't really stand out at first...but you know what? He's always in the right place at the right time... The goals he scores aren't highlight reel material, but they're goals...Last time I saw him live was in mid-March when the Pack were playing the Phantoms...He and FAST had some real nice chemistry...connected on a clutch PP goal from what I recall...That said, my opinion of him then was that he needed more time at that level to further hone his skills and more importantly, continue to build his confidence. The kid was starting to really come on the last couple of months...what he needs is to be the Pack's top-line center...he needs 18-19 minutes a game...he needs pivot a guys like KRISTO and FAST and become a point-per-game player...He's not going to get that in NY and my concern, aside from my thinking that he's not ready, is that if he loses confidence, he'll never meet his potential. I'd rather see Lindberg after mastering the AHL than rushed into a spot where he starts second-guessing himself and his instinct, which, IMO, is very good.

tdchi


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:14 am EST

No word on Willie Mays Hayes. Keep seeing he's supposedly tight with Kreider, but who knows if true & if it has any bearing.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 16 2014 9:12 am EST

RF4L - Not to revisit the whole NASH argument...but that one trade badly damaged the Rangers' depth ...Now I know the prevailing thought here is that the Rangers got a player who then became damaged goods...but my thinking is that even Rick Nash of 2011-2012 on the Rangers wouldn't improve them enough that they'd have the cup right now...He's not a KANE or TOEWS and never was...The Hawks, though, continue to make smart picks...and they don't do these knee-jerk trades where they're throwing out three or four picks every year...The Rangers have picked very well in the draft and, were it not for Sather's constant tinkering, I think they'd be a lot better off...I've said it over and over again...had they built on the successes of 2011-2012...had they simply gotten rid of the main problem --the coach --I think they would have been in a much better place today...If you keep that roster together for the most part...if you scratch the Nash trade...if you scratch the horrid CLOWE deal...if you leave ST. LOUIS to pout in Tampa...you end up with three firsts a second, a third and a fifth. One of those firsts is about to be an NHLer too.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:47 pm EST

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/14/rangers-sign-veteran-forward-potulny-to-ahl-deal/

stevielegs


Fri Aug 15 2014 7:24 pm EST

Per Mark Divver of the Providence Journal tweet..... I'm hearing that Avalanche, Rangers, Bruins and Coyotes are in the mix for impending free agent Kevin Hayes of BC

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 15 2014 5:38 pm EST

You're on Hospo. I'll have Peroni's, thanks ;). There is one proviso I should mention, as we're both saying today we expect good things from Lombardi. If they guy comes back to the NHL as anywhere close to a 20/50 player he was in his best years, that's a very good player by todays standards, and therefore very difficult too unseat. I don't expect Lombardi to be quite there, but the guy is healthy and was playing well enough to lead all Czechs, so who knows? That stated, also not sure if Lombardi's good he doesn't end up with Zuc & Brass, which would again open up 3C for Oscar. But yeah, if he locks down 3/C, while I don't necessarily think its a reflection on Lindberg, you got it. What's your pleasure?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 5:19 pm EST

RABID - I'll make you the first wager of they year..12 pack of choice..At game 40 I say LOMBARDI....you say LINDBERGER..Anybody else it's a wash..

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 5:01 pm EST

And it's on: Chicago Blackhawks Vice President/General Manager Stan Bowman released the following statement regarding Kevin Hayes: “We offered Kevin what we believed was a generous and fair contract. Unfortunately, he felt it was in his best interests to become a free agent. We are looking forward to the compensatory draft pick we are receiving and are focused on the excitement surrounding the start of training camp next month.” Per the National Hockey League’s Collective Bargaining Agreement Article 8.3(b), the Blackhawks will receive a second-round pick (54th overall) in the 2015 NHL Draft.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 4:39 pm EST

TD, we've been down this road. The last time you saw Lindberg and the last time the Rangers saw him are two different things. Gorton says he's right there and its time to find out. So in about a month, we'll start finding out. But I don't think there's much doubt by game 40 that kid is firmly ensconced in that 3C spot. He is a frickin stud.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 4:18 pm EST

TD: Yep. And guess what? The 2 forwards you refer to where drafted 1st and 3rd overall. The Rangers comparable? Rick Nash who they paid a princely sum to acquire. And struggles in part to be who the Rangers need him to be because he is on his own in that regard.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 4:11 pm EST

a little schmaltz on deli rye........

mf


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:59 pm EST

TDCHI - For all our little disagreements, we often tend to agree on the bigger picture (well, except for kids vs vets..:)) if you look at my 12:22PM post where I said...One good thing about players like Moore, Lombardi and Stempniak is that they are very flexible..Hell, hthere's alot of flexibility in the entire roster..

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:56 pm EST

Messier11/RR You're both right to a degree...LINDBERG ain't ready. Or at least the last time I saw him play he wasn't...and I do think the Rangers see MILLER more as a wing, though I've always personally thought he looked good at center(see 2011 WJC)...But who knows? Maybe Lindberg busted ass all summer long and is ready to challenge...and on HAYES, I agree, there's very little room for him if the plans are to keep both he and Miller in New York...then again...if any of these names show they belong, it's not like they have any contract outside of NASH that they couldn't trade at a moments notice...the one thing I do like about the Rangers lineup right now is that it seems pretty versatile. Guys can be shifted around the four lines pretty easily.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:35 pm EST

Well, no Mess.Miller played wing in playoffs. IDK Lindberg has ever played wing. Who's a more ready NHL centerman? Idk, but Miller has looked much better to me at wing. But this is why they need camp and preseason and maybe 20 games to sort it all out. Someone will step up, someone will falter, someone will get hurt, and they'll see what's what. But if Hayes comes in I have no idea what to expect....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:17 pm EST

If Lindberg was more ready than Miller, he would have been getting Miller's minutes in the playoffs.

Messier11


Fri Aug 15 2014 3:04 pm EST

RF4L - Well, my first two choices are good drafting and not trading away their picks. Third choice would be making smart trades...and fourth choice would be because they have four franchise players(two up and two back) that allow them a lot more ability to let draft picks mature and to trade ancillary guys for more draft choices...but first and foremost, I'd say flat-out good drafting. A lot of these were mid- to late first-round picks..TERAVAINEN, who is absolutely blue chip, was picked 18th overall...a slot that probably could have been grabbed for a first and a second...and they took HARTMAN with the 30th overall...a spot they could have grabbed probably for a second and a third rounder... I remember some of them(Hayden for instance) were mid-round picks...Some of them were flat-out overlooked by the Rangers...I see some of these kids in the WJC and it always amazes me when teams pass them up...Hartman is a great example. No idea how the kid slipped to 30th after his performance...but anyway...no sense in crying over wasted draftpicks.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:49 pm EST

Definitely Hospo, that's what AV look as for, pairs with chemistry. That's why I'm hoping Hagelin & Lindberg mesh well, two smart all-around swedes. Add a good vet and its a nice line. But who knows, AV also wants net presence, and between MSL & Nash he might not be satisfied. You could end up with Tanner Glass with Nash & Derek Stephan LOL. No way to know right now. But Gorton did make it a point to say how versatile Lombardi is, that he can play wing and kill penalties. Think he's definitely penciled in for a semi-prominent role on this team.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:41 pm EST

RABID - Agree and disagree...I have had LOMBARDI slotted at 3rd C from the day he was signed, and I think that is why he has signed..And I do agree that they would rather have MOORE as the steady 4th C....I also think the Rangers want to give LINDBERG a little more time in the AHL....All this being said, I just want to remain open, and hope the Rangers are, to any and all alternatives that will make the team strongest..WHo knows which chemistry will develop between which players?

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:37 pm EST

And obiviously, if they line up as I think they might, they have too many wingers by one. That's before potentially signing Hayes, another guy who doesn't exactly fit, and why I'll doubt it until it happens. But I do think they feel JT is better suited for wing rich now, less responsibility, more meat & potatoes spot for him to grow. Same time, they gave Glass a pretty big deal and need his toughness, so I don't see him sitting much. And someone still has to play out of position to get MSL top minutes and make it all fit. So, for instance, if they line up Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, MSL-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Lombardi, no room for JT Miller. Same goes with any other combo, we're one forward over, though they need to carry 13. But that doesn't count Carcillo who I still hope gets in somehow, and leaves no shot for Haggerty, Fast, Hayes or any other surprises. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 2:11 pm EST

Meant they wouldnt move Moore from 4/C for Boyle, theyre not movin him now. They want Moore as their 4th line center. Perfect spot for him, thus the 3yr deal.he doesnt have the offense for 3C. All their other options would provide more O. I maintain Lindberg is who they envision there, 3C. Lombardi is insurance if Oscar doesnt make it. Otherwise hes a wing. Miller at wing somwhere, same for Stemp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:57 pm EST

TD: And you know why the Hawks system is so stacked...

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:42 pm EST

I think its a reach to say that because Rangers were unwilling to give Boyle shot at 3rd line, they intend to give shot to Moore. Both had shots last season and both returned shortly to 4th line. Lombardi definitely pencilled in for third. Moore definitely pencilled in for fourth.

Messier11


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:28 pm EST

RABID - I don't get what you're saying...Not guaranteeing Brian Boyle and his lack of speed/offense during the regular season (compared to his value during the POs) a 3rd C spot over Moore may be a sign that they are willing to go with Moore as a 3rd C..At the least, if this is how they stay, Moore should get as much consideration as Lombardi, the kids, and whoever else as the C between Hagelin and whoever

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 1:04 pm EST

Brian Boyle left because they wouldnt let him play 4th line center over Moore. Theyre not moving Moore. One of Lombardi, Lindberg, Miller or Stempniak will end up there IMO. And isnt this kid Hayes a lefty shooting RW? Ill take him, but really no room on rt. Side. would prefer RHS LW. But who knows what deals they can swing down road if they sign him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:25 pm EST

TDCHI - Ah, NICK SCHMALTZ, now you're talking! Don't know one thing about him but i like the name....Almost as good as Bobby Schmautz!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:22 pm EST

TDCHI -Since the FA signings, I have been a proponent of a fast, physical 4th line of GLASSS-MOORE-MILLER....But, I have no problem if it's LOMBARDI instead of Moore..I can see eiher of those two as the 3rd line C depending on how they fit in with the wingers..Let the postion battles begin..At theri career best, LOMBARDI is the better choice for 3rd C but tat isn't likely what we will get...Let them earn it...One good thing about players like Moore, Lombardi and Stempniak is that they are very flexible..Hell, hthere's alot of flexibility in the entire roster..

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:16 pm EST

RF4L - Hawks WANT to sign him...he just doesn't want to play in the AHL and there's a 100 percent chance that's where he ends up in Chicago...there's barely enough room in the lineup for Teuvo TERAVAINEN...who is an even better prospect...and then they have Mark McNEILL, Matt CAREY, and Joakim NORSTROM all knocking on the door...They're still trying to find ice for Ben SMITH and Marcus KRUGER, two very good forwards in their own right...and the kid I like the most, Jermey MORIN...Then in the system...Ryan HARTMAN...Vince HINOSTROZA..Tyler MOTTE..John HAYDEN...and now Nick SCHMALTZ...the Hawks depth at forward is just ridiculously good...They're system is like a who's who of future NHLers from the USNTDP...They could take a chance, sign Hayes and play him in the bottom three...take the chance he's not that great and end up with a low-round pick or nothing from him...or they can let him walk and get a second rounder next year, which, given his draft selection, is really the safest bet to make.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 12:04 pm EST

Hayes sweepstakes starts at Midnight on Aug. 17(Sunday). Problem with Boston is they have NO cap space and haven't even signed Reilly SMITH or Torey KRUG...those two will eat up all the SAVARD cap space when it comes off...Not that the Rangers have a lot either...With Mueller, Kostka, Hunwick, and Fast on the books...but Miller not...they have $1.3 million...Take those four off and you have $2.6 million extra...I think...three are on one-way contracts, so I don't know how that impacts the cap...regardless...I'm thinking the chances the Rangers land Hayes right now is slim, just given the roster spaces available.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:44 am EST

Count me in as one hoping the Rangers land this Hayes kid, for reasons that are very obvious. Why on earth are the Hawks playing hardball with this kid? Or is he looking at that organization and thinking 'I'll be in the AHL for 2 years or more before I get a sniff'?

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:42 am EST

IMO, the Rangers should be pencilling Moore as the 4th line center, with lots of PK duty. He seems to excel there, with the ability to step into the 3rd line center position in a pinch. I find when he plays there regularly, he's not so effective - maybe he feels the pressure to generate more offensive? Dunno. Lombardi is certainly a wildcard, given the fact that he's not accomplished anything of note at the NHL level for a few years, but before then, did. I suspect if he proves worthy, that's where he'll end up.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:27 am EST

RF4L - Heh...the first names I saw in that video were Amonte, Huselius and Hamerlik...all retired...anyway, we kind of got a little off-topic here...the original convo was about where LOMBARDI sits on the depth chart and if he is third line, will he compensate for what was lost with RICHARDS. My theory was that MOORE gets moved to third line and Lombardi swaps between LW and C on the fourth line...and therein lies the disagreement. No doubt, the guy has speed and, judging by that video, hands to boot. I just don't think the Rangers signed him expecting 40-plus points this season...My thinking in the DORSETT and BOYLE moves is that AV wants more speed and more offense out of his fourth line...getting MILLER and LOMBARDI on a line with GLASS is a good way to do that. Maybe Lombardi centers third with HAGELIN and STEMPNIAK for a burner line...I don't know...I just have a feeling they're going to give Moore a larger role and that would be a spot as third-line center.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:08 am EST

Meant to say, kid is a Boston product. My guess is he lands there, but you never know!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:03 am EST

If Calagary's not in the mix, Rangers might have a real shot. Hayes I believe hits FA midnight tomorrow. Mark Divver @MarkDivver I'm hearing that Avalanche, Rangers, Bruins and Coyotes are in the mix for impending free agent Kevin Hayes of BC. 7:59 PM - 14 Aug 2014

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 11:00 am EST

RABID - Hey, everybody's a Cup contender before the season starts!! I hear ya...They have not put together the type of team I would have (not enough size up front) but it's a team with a good Goalie and defense and ALOT of speed, skill, talent and experience up front. And a few kids knocking at the door. It could be a hell of alot worse!!! Of course, none of this will stop me/us from arguing the small points!!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:55 am EST

Kreider absolutely is a guy they need to max out, which is why I want him with Zuc & Brass. Again, most of Kreider's goals came from in front, and nothing wrong with that, we'll take'm. But he has an overpowering shot, and really should add to his slot goals with some from the high slot/outside. And I think he's just now really getting the knack for sneaking behind defenses, and everyone on the ice with him is now looking for a chance to spring him. In short, he should jump from the 17-20 goal range to the 27-30's. Even so, regular season goals don't mean as much to us anymore. But I want to see guys playing to higher levels. And not to start trouble, but you lose Stamkos as a center and gain Brad Richards, umm..... not quite as good for the goal scoring haha..

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:44 am EST

Oh, and I know MSL is a finisher. Well, was a finisher. He struggled at that as a Ranger and I'm not sure why, although age has to be a factor. That and the realization he's likely garnering more attention as a Ranger because the opposition doesn't have to worry about Steve Stamkos scoring a hattrick a night.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:43 am EST

And what a huge boost if Dan Boyle is able to address what we've known has been a huge gap on the PP - an offensive QB from the backline.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:41 am EST

RR: Not sure if I concur about the 'real offensive upside', especially if Rick Nash continues to prod along offensively (that is score streaky and end up for 30 or so goals). I do agree, however, that if several cylinders all click, scoring shouldn't be an issue most nights. That said, the only real finisher on the club at this point is Nash. It would be nice if someone else steps up to share the burden. Could that be Kreider? Perhaps. For sure if he continues to play the way we saw him play in the POs and show some maturity as a finisher, that'll go miles towards helping (cuz yeah, he capitalizes on a couple of those glorious chances in the LA series and most definitely that series wouldn't have ended in 5 games). It's worrisome to me however.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:40 am EST

Atta Boy Hospo, no reason not to be upbeat considering where this franchise is. I'll do you one better, and this is really a lifelong thing, worrying about this & that when it comes to the Rangers. I'm going to try to not worry about ANY of it this year and just enjoy as the season unfolds. Rather than worrying about Nash's concussions and Staal's vision and Brassard's shoulder, etc, its too much. They're pros, they've had ample (if short) recovery time, and are all training in earnest right now. They're got about a month till camp, and if AV is smart - and I think he is - he'll allow guys (especially Lundqvist) to ease their way back in a bit, considering how late and how hard they played. If guys go down, they'll call up replacements or go outside and get what they need.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:35 am EST

Was just looking at & thinking same thing RF, watching some clips of Lombardi. With the talk about speed, its what you do with it. Case in point, its still hard for me to think of Kreider's breakaway chances in the SCFs. Argh! So, not doubting we should get plenty of chances, but will these guys finish? That goes for all of them, from Hags to Stepan to Nash. If so, we've got a chance to be a very solid offensive club. Maybe even a little scary, if by committee. Stempniak buried 27 years ago (8yrs ago, so not to get crazy), then was used in different roles. St Louis I consider more of a playmaker nowadays, but the little bugger certainly can finish in the right situations. Zuc I think has more to give shooting the puck, as does Kreider. Lindberg's got a nasty wrist shot if he makes it. Hell, even Miller handles the puck real well, and certainly finished in Hartford. AND I think the D can give more. Staal came back and was mostly solid defensively in the POs, but his offensive game was near non-existant. John Moore absolutely can provide more. We already expect more from Boyle than Stralman, but Girardi is another guy who used to chip in offensively, then went silent in the post season. So we've got some real offensive upside IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:33 am EST

RF4L - The good thing about Lombardi's concussion issues is that there haven't been any since 2010 when he sat out the year..I don't really see him being any more prone to concusions as anybody on the Rangers...From what I have read, the issues with Toronto and ANaheim seemed more related to a messed up shoulder/labrum whuich he tried to play through--unsuccesfully--for awhile....Like you said, I think this is a very low risk/high reward move that may turn out to be very shrewd...Hey, just trying to be optimistic before the season!!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:13 am EST

Here's an array of Lombardi highlights from his Calgary days. Depicted is clear indication of his speed, but check out his moves and hands. Quite impressive indeed. I am fairly confident he doesn't drive to the net like he is in many of these clips, but that speed, those moves and hands are God-given. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v32nT1ePBU

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 10:03 am EST

From what I can ascertain, there's no direct video available depicting the collison that caused Lombardi's concussion, but here's an interesting account of it, including some still photos that show Lombardi bumping shoulders with an opposing player before going what appears to be head first into the boards. http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2010/10/18/1759441/matthew-lombardis-injury-a-hard-tumble-into-the-boards

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:58 am EST

FWIW, I don't think believing that Lombardi can be a valuable Ranger this year is unrealistic. I do, however, think it would be foolish counting on that because as is being pointed out, he's suffered some serious injuries, the worse, of course, being that concussion that kept him out of hockey for over a year. Interestingly enough, it didn't occur via a violent/illegal/nasty hit; instead he lost his footing and slammed into the boards. Nonetheless, as we've discussed on here numerous times, bad concussions often serve to scare the bejesus out of the victim (understandably so given the symptoms, the unpredictable recovery period and all the noise about it being linked to brain disease once middle age is reached) and that, in turn, results in subtle and quite frequently not-so-subtle changes in style. Those changes in style are never to the betterment of the player's effectiveness, either. I didn't see him much before he got traded to Toronto, but as a Leaf, his speed was evident (ala Hagelin in fact) but he certainly didn't show much offensively (8 goals and 18 points in 62 games). In his defense, however, that was the year he returned to the ice after missing more than a year with that concussion. IMO, he's without a doubt another reclamation project in a long line of such projects for Sather. This one, however, unlike many previously, is low risk/high reward IMO.

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:50 am EST

TD: I share your excitement about Walcott. I sure hope the Traverse City tourney is broadcasted - I'd love to see this kid play firsthand. If what I read and understand about him is accurate he indeed, could be the steal of the draft. All that said, this is what happens when you cheer for a team that trades away high draft picks - you gotta cling to sleeper picks for excitement when it comes to prospects (because like you, that's one of the things I enjoy about being a dedicated fan - anticipating the future).

RF4L


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:45 am EST

I'm expecting Lombardi to be a quality player for us. I'm sure he'll need to make a few adjustments, and those will come in scrimmages and preseason and such. I think this guy was a little swiss secret they had all along, knowing they'd lose a few guys in free agency but be able to overcome it in part by adding a player in the style they want to play going forward. I only had a faint memory of Lombardi, he was a guy that was coming on for a few years and then disappeared. But just check youtube and youll see, heavens, what a burst this fella has. Hagelin's probably not the fastest guy on the team anymore. But between Lombardi, Kreider it really doesn't matter, no one is catching any one of them if they break free. And again, this is where a guy like Dan Boyle can prove to be invaluable. If he catches these guys in flight with sharp passes, we're going to be a nightmare for teams to defend.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 15 2014 9:05 am EST

TDCHI - Again, disagree, he played in EUROPE ONE year, his entire life in NA and against NHL players or NHL players to be....Agree that EXPECTING 20 goals/30 assists is wrong but, if healthy, the track record against NHLers could mean we have a fine 3rd line C..Oh well, camp will show what we have in him and the kids

Hospo


Fri Aug 15 2014 8:46 am EST

Hospo - It's always an adjustment, IMO. You get used to having that extra space...that split second of time you have in the larger rinks...not saying it's going to be like a kid coming over from Europe for the first time...I'm just saying if fans or the Rangers are expecting LOMBARDI to hop in and score 20 goals and 50 points, they're all in for a very rude awakening.

tdchi


Fri Aug 15 2014 8:41 am EST

Some small news, Daniel WALCOTT, the Rangers fifth-round draft pick, was named captain of Blainville-Boisbriand Armada in the QMJHL...which indeed is small news...but no so much when you take into context this kid basically came out of nowhere(i.e. club hockey in the NCAA) to lead a Canadian junior team..What happens from here is beyond me, but if there's one thing I can respect in a player is when one basically starts from the bottom rung and makes there way toward the top. All signs are saying this kid could be a big sleeper.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:51 pm EST

My first instinct would be to offer Staal 3yrs/$16-18, but he wouldn't sign it LOL. Or, he might want to, but his agent wouldn't let him, not with Matt Niskanen getting $47M. I dont like any of the long term deals, starting with Hank's. Girardi's is reasonable but long. Nash's we didn't negotiate but are sure responsible for. St Louis doesn't get another deal from us unless Sather's smokin the hookah. But that's the group, in whole or in part that Idk is here in two years if this team doesn't win soon.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:29 pm EST

RR et al: maybe I'm making this more difficult than need be, but with STAAL, when, for how long & for how much do you offer him in contract? Another multi-faceted decision, in this case due to injuries, & the cap.... If he didn't sustain the injuries, there would be no questions, I/we would sign him & lock him up a bunch of years, so I guess that's the answer.......

mf


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:00 pm EST

I share your trepidation, MF, but Staal is a different case IMO. He's rebounded slightly better than the other two, but the big thing is I just don't see them disrupting their Top 4 in a go-for-it year. And ideally you'd want Staal signed to a reasonable deal in order to move him, not a walk year. So I just don't see it now, but with young guys pushing it may become a possibility in the next year or two.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:49 pm EST

*grade*

LeoS


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:48 pm EST

I heard the concussion had officially been downgraded to a Grede III Ice Cream Headache.

LeoS


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:06 pm EST

Hank does the best dressed Ice Bucket challenge.... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/henrik-lundqvist/watch-henrik-lundqvist-does-ice-bucket-challenge-for-als/ ....Three men in a tub... Staal, Stepan and Girardi ....http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6514/staal-step-and-girardi-ice-bucket-challenge#.U-1ppbxdU08 ....Danny Kristo Ice Bucket challenge....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tb9SRxqRUY ....Bob... I heard that Nash gave himself another concussion from his Ice Bucket challenge.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 8:52 pm EST

Bob better than getting another concussion

stevielegs


Thu Aug 14 2014 7:24 pm EST

Rabbit: based upon "that" post concussion syndrome model, we should be trading Marc Staal. Outside of a few & far between excellent defensive plays, we have Marc the Mediocre, soon to command 5-6 mill per. IMO, he did not have a good playoffs. So, we trade him???

mf


Thu Aug 14 2014 5:50 pm EST

Ouch.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 5:40 pm EST

I hear that Rick Nash did the ALS Bucket Challenge but when he dumped the ice water he missed his own head wide. Is this true?

Bob


Thu Aug 14 2014 4:52 pm EST

I'll shock the hell outta you, TD, by agreeing almost entirely. Richards was damaged goods when he got here, I saw it his first shift. Just like Nash, these PCS victims seem to have very brief moments of returning to their former selves, only to revert back to a 'less than' state. I don't know know we ever got to see the player Richards really was here, except in a few tiny instances. I also agree on GWGs, they can be entirely misleading, as can many stats.(e.d. somebody posted advanced stats for Tanner Glass the other day showing possession suffered when he was on ice; but unless you know he's used a lot as a PKer, youre not taking that with the proper grain of salt)what you'd need to do is access BRs numbers for GTGs and -1/-2 G's which are kept by the club but not available online to my knowledge. But I'd bet you anything in Richards case,most off memory, he didn't score many big goals for this team, didnt make many big plays at big times. He definitely didn't in the post season. And really, I couldn't stand the sight of him when he was here, so certainly don't want to spend anymore time on him now that he's thankfully gone.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 4:01 pm EST

WOW one fact.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:57 pm EST

And Lombardi's issues with his shoulder had to do with a torn labrum that finally had to be operated on way too late...Not the type of injury that is "one hit away"..I just have a good feeling that Lombardi is gonna shine for the Rangers...Then again, I felt the same about KASPARITIS!

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:52 pm EST

TDCHI - why will he have to adjust the smaller ice surfaces? it's what he played on his entire life and succeeded pretty well at it , scoring OVER 46 POINTS THREE times. The guy knows how to play....Agree that health is a worry....but why the contract was for 750K..If healthy, he's a slam dunk over the Rangers not ready for prime time top 9 kids...JMWO..He's hurt, JT and Oscar get their shot.!

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:38 pm EST

Bob/Hospo - See I wish I could be that confident...I don't see the same track record with reclamation projects...I see a GM that is forced to play players that don't cost much(Pouliot, Stralman and Boyle) and them pretty much playing the way the would on any other team that would give them playing time...Pouliot is the one I single out the most, since his stats with the Rangers literally match his career averages on other teams...I guess you could say he was a little more consistent throughout the season...I see LOMBARDI as a guy who is going to struggle to get back into the NHL and will have to adjust to both the smaller ice surface and the notion that one more hit will likely end his career. That's not someone you bring in as your third-line center, especially if AV is going to again roll three lines.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 2:34 pm EST

RR - Not to beleaguer this any more, but RICHARDS has had a number of concussions in his career...and the last right before he signed with the Rangers...He was out for an entire month of the season with a concussion in 2010-2011....and then there was this, which happened in 2013...strangely around the same time he really started to go south for the Rangers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmXOjTMjN_4...now if we're going to argue that NASH's play is a result of concussions, then wouldn't we say the same thing for Richards? Also, the GWG...while it's a nice fantasy stat...it's almost as useless as +/- unless it's taken within context of each individual game....a guy who scores a lot of goals is going to have a better chance of scoring game-winners....and the sad reality of that stat is that if you score the fourth goal in the first of a 4-0 blowout and the team you're playing lands three goals over the next two periods, you get the GWG...Conversely, if you score the first, third, fourth and fifth goal in a 5-1 blowout, all you get are those goals...even though you almost singlehandedly lead the offense... And lastly, even if Richards scored 100 points and won the cup in NY, he was getting bought out. There was no way to keep him. Everyone knew it. The Rangers made a business decision...and I guarantee Richards' history of concussions had something to do with it too...Rangers were about to get stuck with a very expensive bill...one that would have meant they'd need to get rid of a guy like STEPAN or McDONAGH or KREIDER if Richards wasn't bought out...Your points are made on emotion and I get that. Frankly, I never cared about Richards. I didn't want to trade for him...I was ambivalent to his signing...shrugged when he didn't live up to expectations...and ultimately cheered for him to rebound, because it was the only way the Rangers were going to win with the team they had last year. I think he played his heart out in NY and know he did something no other center has done since MESSIER, which is help get the Rangers into the cup finals. Your disdain for him(or those who signed him) perplexes me, but it's something I can live with. I just don't think very many Ranger fans agree with you. Especially not here.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

Enforcers on the way out?...http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2161015-10-nhl-enforcers-least-likely-to-find-work-in-the-2014-15-season..While I agree that there is definitety some credence to this view, especially for later on in the season and the POs, I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of those enforcers are on opening night rosters...March 2015 is another story!

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 12:21 pm EST

Fact, as per Glen Sather; $27M buyout. Bye Brad. FACT.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:51 am EST

So it's Richards fault the coach kept putting him out on the point for the pp? If he does good in Chicago is because he fits their system? Why wasn't he bought out last year ? Everyone has an opinion but who has the facts on sather and veenyo's opinions ? At league minimum they wouldn't keep him? But did at $6 mil... Got it....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:51 am EST

Unusual for me, but I am going to give the Rangers the benefit of the doubt on Lombardi. I would say that this current regime's track record on reclamation projects (Sather with AV)is pretty good. D Moore, Pouliot produced well. and I am going to assume Lombardi will until he proves me wrong. AV existed for years in the Western conference and knows these players well. That I also why I have not bitched about Tanner Glass..................yet.

Bob


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:51 am EST

In the hopes of sequeing a way from Richards for good, it should be pointed out no team is perfect. Sure, we had a major problem with the PP point, and not near rugged enough for my tastes. BUT, this was easily the most complete team of the Sather era, combined with a coach I concurred with about 90% of the time. Its why I laugh at things like these latest prospect rankings putting us 28th or whatever. Our young guys are on the team, making an IMPACT. And if you look at teams 27-28yrs and younger, I can't think of many who match the NYR. I just love our young core, and they're not done improving. Another example would be HAGELIN, a highly intelligent kid who showed in the POs IMO he's much more than a Todd Merchant. How much better is he going to be next year? And that's why I haven't freaked with some of these patchwork signings. Our No. 1 priority was a point man, and we got a good one. The Stemps & Lombardi's will make or break on their own, but the thing that can really put this team in another place is one or more of the kids, Miller, Lindberg, hell even a kid like Haggerty (of whom I know next to nothing about) making a contribution, adding fresh legs and some ambition and hunger. So I think this team is largely in very good - to-excellent shape. Its a long year, plenty of time to sort, or make a deal. And I do think Carcillo finds his way back to us, maybe on a camp tryout, etc, which I'd definitely welcome

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:17 am EST

TDCHI - Totally disagree with you on LOMBARDI who I think will turn out to be a very important player for the Rangers...The guy lost one year to concusion...but since then no reoccurrence...His next tow years were a mess as he struggled with SHOULDER injuires....The one thing the guy always had is SPEED, he is fast as hell and can play the offensive game at a high speed ..ALso, when healthy, a pretty good FO guy, better than anybody but MOORE on the Rangers,..And a good PKer,,,.He hasn't had one injury to his his lifeline---his legs...so , I 'm sure he is almost as quick and fast as he was...which fits right into the Rangers games....He also kills Penalties....I think what his year in SWITZ showed was that he was healthy and leading any league in scoring is not too bad of a sign about his offensive game and speed,....Persoanllay, I don't think the Rangers are at all enamored (for this year) with any of the kids as big time contributors.....And I also think they brought LOMBARDI in with the idea, if healthy, he would likely be a 3rd line C....The only worry I have with Lombardi is HEALTH, not the concussion, but can his shoulders stand up to the NHL pounding? That's why it's good to get the kids ready as well..

Hospo


Thu Aug 14 2014 11:08 am EST

TD, Dom Moore isn't getting anywhere near 3rd line center IMO. One of Lindberg, Lombardi, Stemniak or Miller will end up there, again, just an opinion. Moore just doesn't have the offense, that was glaring after a few games, where he filled in (admirably) in the POs. Now Richards, working backwards, yeah, he's dead to me, playing for another team. But I'm in a minority? Maybe here, but the NY Ranger brass agreed with me enough to write him a fat check and make him UFA. You also compare him to Nash, a guy with multiple concussions. Not fair, but if you insist, as I pointed on last night, for guys with similar point totals, there was BR with 2 GWGs while Nash had 9. Again, to each his own, and I'd just as soon move on. Many more interesting things to talk about. But for the 10th time, I don't have a grudge (or whichever word you used) against Richards's personally. My beef was with Sather & AV. And as NYStranger (I think it was) said, they tried to trade him, I believe quite hard. Up until they realized obtaining MSL could be a reality. But the notion of reuniting the two didn't work, BR on the PP most certainly didn't work, and the cumulative effect IMO may well have cost us the Stanley Cup.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:40 am EST

mf - Even discounting the larger rinks over in Europe, you're on a real slippery slope if you're looking at LOMBARDI'S Swiss stats and thinking they're indicative of what he'll do with the Rangers...the guy has shown he can score in the NHL...But so did Peter MUELLER...and the last time he played here, he landed 17 points in 41 games...Lombardi, I suspect, was grabbed for fourth line center or wing. I know the guy had his issues with concussion and all, but he hasn't done anything statistically significant in the NHL since 2009-2010...you don't grab a guy like that expecting him to fill the role of a player who landed 20 goals and 50 points...I suspect Dom MOORE will be the "new" Richards so to speak...he's solid in the FO circle(54 percent) and has played the role numerous times before in his career...And this is just speculation on my part...but I have a feeling that's one of the reasons BOYLE left...that he and everyone else on the team knew that third-line center position was opening up and the Rangers wouldn't promise it to him 'cause they had their eye on Dom Moore...who played there for a game after STEPAN'S injury...I see HAGELIN-MOORE-STEMPNIAK as our third and MILLER/ LOMBARDI-GLASS as our fourth, with a footnote of Chris MUELLER if Miller inexplicably can't make the team.

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Rhet- I've seen a lot of Buch last season and early this season (those games in Canada). There is no real knock on him in terms of flaws, he is a smart and very dilligent scorer. Makes a lot of small plays. He got spectacular moves in him, a good shot, sees the ice well etc. Skates well and has very decent size. Reminds me a lot of Louie Eriksson. HOWEVER, there is some kind of "aber" in the midst of this. Buch is like a scoring a winger, you should never say never but his game is -- much -- less suited as a checkiong line winger compared to say Lauri Korpikoski. We basically ice three interchangable lines etc., and I wouldn't like to say that he is not a 3rd lineer, but more or less he has to play a fair amount in a scoring role to play his game if you get what I mean. Those roles in the NHL aren't that common, and the competition for them is extreme. So from my point of view, Buchnevich is like a bit better prospect than Lauri Korpikoski was, and LK was a very good prospect who made it to the NHL quite easily and is having a decent career. But Buchnevich -- despite being better than Korpi -- will have a bit tougher to find a role in the NHL. You know.

Ola


Thu Aug 14 2014 10:24 am EST

Like it or not, RR, you're in a small minority in your thoughts on RICHARDS. No doubt, the guy slowed down considerably during the stretch...but he also ended up on the third line. We can argue about whether that was because he played his way there or if it was a factor of the ZUCC line's dominance down the stretch or both...And I'll give you this: He didn't do statistically well during the last two months of the season...22 games, 4 goals, 5 assists, and -3....add that with his playoff performance and you get 47 game, 9 goals, 12 assists and -5..a total of 21 points...Not what I'd call a $6.6 million performance...but...statistically what you'd expect from your third-line center...but for argument's sake, let's compare him with the other guy making big bucks: Rick NASH scored 7 goals and 4 helpers over those last 22 games, going +5...add in his playoff performance and he went the final 47 games with 10 goals, 11 assists and +4...for...21 points..so aside from their differential, they were essentially equal statistically...Only Nash earned $1.2 million more, is four years younger AND was skating on first line during that whole stretch...so if you're going to throw stones at Richards, then you better keep a few handy for the other guy who sucked down the stretch...Even if you look at all this and STILL say Richards was some sort of pariah that AV chased out of his lineup, it still doesn't discount the fact that he was signed by one of the consistently best teams in the league DESPITE them having significant cap troubles...And by all reports, he wasn't signed to play a bottom line role. They see him as a top-six guy...enough that one of their top rookies could end up in Rockford...one of their top draft picks could end up on another team AND one of their top-nine guys could end up traded...The Hawks didn't sign Richards just because he was cheap. They signed him because they see him as a contributor, knowing full-well what he has left in the tank...So again, everyone here gets that you got an ax to grind with the guy...you don't like him...and that's why --as you previously stated --the digging for truth I just did will likely get scrolled through. If you want to be honest, just say you don't like the guy and let's move on. Don't try to tell us that he didn't make a difference...The only point you have that could be true --though I tend to doubt it --is that the Rangers won't miss Richards one iota...The only way that's true is if someone steps up and puts points on the board like he did for three quarters of the season and a new leader emerges in the locker room. The RICHARDS topic is a dead horse and really, at this point, who cares? He's a Hawk next season and until the Rangers play the Hawks, who cares?

tdchi


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:52 am EST

The Rangers are ranked 28th in Corey Pronman’s rankings of each organizations “prospect pipeline.” (ESPN Insider) He puts the Rangers at 28th because Chris Kreider and JT Miller are considered to be “graduates” and because they have dealt away their first round pick the last two years. (ESPN Insider) Pronman adds that he really likes Pavel Buchnevich but all the other prospects need to improve to be considered “top prospects.” (ESPN Insider) He adds that Dylan McIlrath’s development has been on the “slow side.” (ESPN Insider)

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:42 am EST

Mats Zuccarello says that he feels he has become part of the Rangers “core” and that has allowed him to feel “slightly” more comfortable heading into this season. He adds that he feels a responsibility to be one of the Rangers leaders. (TV2) He said that the Rangers “probably” would have given him a longer-term contract if not for the salary cap and that he can sign a new deal during the season or wait until after the year to become a free agent and sign anywhere. He said that he will control the position he will be in, whether teams will want him or not, based on how he plays this season. (TV2) Zuccarello “claims” that there is an “agreement” between he and the organization that he will be the next player to get a long-term deal after he “sacrificed” that this summer to sign a one-year deal and help the team’s salary cap situation. (TV2)

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 9:35 am EST

The knock on Buchnevich has been that he cherry picks and may be a bit soft, but he has bulked up and looked strong on the puck in camp. Hopefully, he also shows some ability to play some responsible defense this season. I guess we'll see how he looks in likely what will be his last KHL season. The Rangers have the same problem with Anthony Duclair this season that they had with Christian Thomas in the past. Duclair is dominating at the Junior level, but because he turns only 19-years-old in August, the Rangers have limited options with him (players drafted from the Canadian junior leagues are not eligible to play in the AHL until they are 20-years-old). He has nothing left to prove at the Junior level, yet it's where he's stuck playing (unless he makes the Rangers out of camp). Thomas went through a similar situation where he posted 99 points in 66 games, but then regressed his following season when he had to stay in Juniors.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 14 2014 8:23 am EST

Pavel Buchnevich is listed 26th on Corey Pronman’s list of the top 100 NHL prospects. (ESPN Insider) Based upon his “dynamic skill level, offensive instincts and good wrist shot,” if Buchnevich comes to North America the Rangers will have a “legit” high-end talent. (ESPN Insider) His season last year was the third highest point total for an under 19 player in the history of the KHL. (ESPN Insider) Anthony Duclair was listed as one of the prospects who “just missed.” (ESPN Insider)

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 13 2014 10:23 pm EST

Enjoyed YOUR contributions. And haven't said it but will now,I don't tink it was his contract at all, but in the end it was a convenient if expensive excuse.I don't believe Rangers would have Richards back for the league MINIMUM. He does not fit AVs speed game, to say the least, and they want to go in a different direction with that spot. All that talk to the contrary was just that, talk. Being polite because they genuinely liked Richards and respect the career he's had. No reason they could show some decency about it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 10:16 pm EST

E, it is good to see you here, always enjoyed my our contributions. The last one maybe not so much LOL. of course my statement on Richards (and I'd prefer not to make any more statements on him at this point) holds water, a reservoir full. But if you mean I should spent time digging up a boatload of stats to support the assertion, only so they can be ignored or someone can change the subject, umm, no thanks. Richards had his 50 pts, and just 2 GWGs. Nash, by contrast, had 9. Richards posted goose eggs in the finals, and wasn't much better on the semis. And sure, if I wanted to go through his game log and do math all night, I could show the majority of his points came before the halfway point. But to say 'production is production'? Its not. Its not the same scoring a goal up 5-1 as it is notching an icebreaker in a scoreless game, etc, etc. Everyone knows that. That's the kind of Al Harazin thinking that brought the Mets Kevin McReynolds. But here's one for you; how do you quantify the effect Richards DIDNT have on the PP? One can't, but it is incredibly large, the lack of keep-ins, the passes to nowhere, the lugging the puck up ice with the urgency of a postal worker. There so much more, none of it good. Please already. If you're not convinced BR was a detriment after the pathetic play that characterized his 2nd half (and a good chunk of his NYR tenure), there not much I can say to change your mind. And then to think the team can't be better w/o him, goodness, let's see; a player who can stand on his skates and be at least more sturdy (insert anyone), pass to a wide-open teammate 10-ft away (again, insert anyone), a center who could win half his draws, a point man who can, you know, MAN the fucking the thing better than a 10-yr old..... Sheesh, why do you guys get me going on this? I really want to make believe it was all a bad dream and move on....but again, if you couldn't see how he gave AV FITS in how to handle him.....no one could play with him! Not Gaborik, not Nash, not Kreider, even St Louis, his former magic partner, who score what, once in 20 games after the trade?!!! Its just unbelievable anyone thinks this guy was a net-plus, but hey, everyone's entitled to believe what they choose.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:24 pm EST

E: good to read ya... I believe the Rangers are counting on Matthew Lombardi to fill the vacancy left by Richards... Lombardi had decent #'s last year 46/20/30/50 and relatively injury free... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2634

mf


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:54 pm EST

Stopping on thru and wanted to give 2-cents on a few topics. 1. RR I don't know how you quantify points as garbage time points. That statement makes virtually no sense to me. He contributed 50+ regular season points. Whether it was garbage time or whatever, production is production. You cannot diminish that, not quantify it and declare it to be so. So if you could expand statistically or with something more concrete maybe you statement holds water. 2. I saw zero legitimate banter that Penner was ever in consideration. He isn't the kind of player that AV covets. He is good in front of the net but his wheels are a little lets just say, not impressive. And the New York Rangers cannot afford him. And coming full circle, this New York Rangers team and it's dismissed 50+ pivot is not stronger for him having left. Not saying that I wanted him at that salary. He was on the decline, but as far as I'm concerned you don't go thru a season with 50-points scored with a 3-1 lead late in the 3rd (garbage time.) Richards contributed to wins. He even won a few. The New York Rangers are in no way a better team for his departure. And the fact that they replaced him with Mueller as the current de facto replacement? No way anyone could logically justify that this team is in anyway better off. Anyone think that Boyle is gonna give you 50+ from the blueline? He's been on the decline for several seasons in SJ. And that team has firepower the likes the New York Rangers could only dream on their PP. Hope all have a good summer and see you around buckaroos.

E


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:20 pm EST

Saw that pa. He sure has no trouble lifting that thing over his head, and I'm sure it has more than the two ice bags they show him putting in. Kid's already huge and getting stronger.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 6:34 pm EST

Just watched the McIllrath video. I've never had a "man-crush"; ever! I have one now. Please kid, crack the line-up and start the carnage!

pa.rangersfan


Wed Aug 13 2014 6:10 pm EST

Interesting post from Cerny; re: Traverse City...Says "there is more intrigue this season than in recent years--maybe since Derek Stepan and Ryan McDonagh took part in 2010." Cites Haggerty, McCarthy and Bodie...says the latter probably need some adjustment in the AHL, but has a feeling Haggerty's time with the Rangers from late winter through the cup finals may have him a step above all the other prospects...that he'll likely "get a long look in training camp and the pre-season." I know a lot of it's cheerleader stuff, but still an interesting thought that Haggerty is thought to be under consideration for a roster spot...http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6511/looking-forward-to-traverse-city

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 4:49 pm EST

That play by STEPAN in the Finals where he calmly & smartly slide the puck under LUNDQVIST (without covering it with his own hand) and saving a sure goal. The bad ice in the 3rd period deserves an assist, or 1/2 a safe. All done by #21 with a Broken Jaw, [and wearing awful new chin protection]. I believe that heads-up play preserved a 1 goal lead late in game 4 of The CUP, and saved us from the humiliation of being swept. It was high drama in MSG on Broadway... A High Anxiety WIN on Home Ice!!!

hipcheck


Wed Aug 13 2014 10:20 am EST

Richards misleading pts totals are a last refuge, piled up in garbage time the first month while we were getting our ass handed to us. Cmon RF, you know this already. Dont make me chisel it out on a cell. Richards was a COMPLETE non-factor even before Xmas, then became an enormous fucking ANCHOR the rest of the way. By the playoffs he was nothing more than a spokesman.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:35 am EST

BR scored 20 goals and 51 points for the Rangers last year; that's more points than Brassard, Nash, Kreider and Hagelin. Guess they all sucked, too.

RF4L


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:13 am EST

PatrickDiv - Yes, but the problem with BICKELL is his cap hit($4 million) and that he really kind of flopped...Tell you a guy on the Hawks I'd chase right now...Jeremy MORIN...Low cap hit, tough forward from the USNDP...Sand paper player with good talent. Righty shot who plays the off-wing. He'd slide into the lineup nicely and compensate for some of the dearth of toughness.

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 9:04 am EST

Id take Bickell in a heartbeat but cant belive Hawks move him. They have guys like Versteeg & Oduya to move & get under cap. First & foremost Brad Richards SUCKED. Thats why hes an ex-Ranger.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Aug 13 2014 8:52 am EST

Hayes would be a nice prize to come away with heading into camp but if not, any thoughts on Bryan Bickell from CHI who is reportedly being shopped? 28Yrs old, good size & skater and hits hard...

PatrickDiv


Wed Aug 13 2014 8:32 am EST

And on Conor ALLEN/SKJEI - John MOORE should definitely be wary. And if I were him, I'd be asking the Rangers if they were interested in a nice three-year contract with a low cap hit...'course that makes him all the more tradeable...I think Allen and Moore have similar styles, IMO...and Skjei? I could see him being sort of a poorman's Marc STAAL...Whether this is by design or not is beyond me...but I think both those young defensemen are serving, to an extent, as leverage for what happens with the Moore contract and ultimately, Staal. While I wouldn't advocate for trading Staal period, I could certainly see a scenario where he's traded, Moore is promoted and Allen fills in at number three on the left, setting up a situation where Skjei could turn pro and the three could battle it out for second and third pairing...again, not an advocate for such a situation, just seeing where it could happen...Allen had a very good year in Hartford and could very well make the jump...the other wildcard on the left is Mat BODIE...certainly NCAA success is no sure-fire harbinger for NHL success, but he's a MAJOR reason why Union College has an NCAA championship...Shayne GOSTISBEHERE, who has a laser from the point and I suspect will challenge for a spot on the Flyers, was on second pairing behind Bodie, who I'd equate to a Torey KRUG-type player...very mobile..LOVES to jump in on the offense and, once in the zone, has a great first step in from the blue line so that by the time the wing goes to pick him up, he's already in scoring position. At 24, it's hard to call him a prospect. His game, however, could translate very nicely to AV's up-tempo system.

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 8:07 am EST

Rhet0ric - I think you hit the nail on the head. Kevin HAYES is the prize right now, no doubt. He's the equivalent of the first-round pick they didn't have this summer and a guy who could step right into the lineup. I personally don't think there's much of a doubt they'd offer him a spot in the lineup...maybe even the replacement on the ZUCC line...Rangers are going to go after him. The question is whether he wants to come to NY, where he could get a starting position handed to him, but could easily end up in Hartford if he faltered...The latest popular theory is that he's going to join linemates and BFFs Gaudreau and Arnold in Calgary...But friendship is a tough sell when it comes to spending three years in the sticks of western Canada...especially for a kid from Massachusetts who is probably free to chose the corner of North America where he wants to be.

tdchi


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:51 am EST

RR: BR got all that money not because the Rangers didn't want him back this year (or even next year); instead, it's because they were trapped with the new CBA rules against front ended contracts and couldn't take the cap hit that would result when he retired early, which was always the unwritten intent when that contract was offered (which is the case for virtually all those front loaded deals - spread out the cap hit over x number of years, pay the bulk of its value early and then have the player retire early when he's no longer effective, eliminating that cap hit for the final few years).

RF4L


Wed Aug 13 2014 7:48 am EST

I think it's pretty obvious Skeji has no intentions of turning pro this year. Otherwise, he'd probably already have made that decision and would be on the Traverse City roster. Kudos to him, too, for pushing back (if that's indeed the case) - as we've seen before, Sather has a history of rushing some his draft picks. Kreider pushed back and that sure has worked out well. Gotta figure, however, he'll turn pro next fall.

RF4L


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:25 pm EST

Dont think NYR land Hayes or Pennet. Even if they did ink Hayes, they like to acclimate guys in Htfd, doubt we'd see him first half. Not that I wouldnt be happy to recoup a 1st rounder. Kantor hits to hurt. Ive wondered about him too, if he'll ever get even a courtesy look. He hasnt been in system too long, but Im all for giving career AHL types a few games in the show as a reward for dedicated service. Ya never know when guts step up. And Rangers decided to pay Richards $27M to play against them. That should end that. And not my fault some cant bear to see the truth on a message board for heavrns sakes. Grow up.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:21 pm EST

should John Moore be looking over his shoulder? .... http://doublegsports.com/brady-skjei-jump-pros/ .... http://doublegsports.com/conor-allen-looks-big-break/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:13 pm EST

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I have seen nothing about the Rangers having any interest in Penner. Supposedly, the Jets may have sone interest oin him... some. It's suspected that he may have to go the camp invite route to get a contract. Maybe we'll have some interest in him then.... I suspect the Rangers will reserve making any more moves until they find out what Kevin Hayes decision will be (on where he will be playing next season). I'm sure Chris Kreider has already given him a call on his own time to sell him on coming to NY (especially since the team can't have any official contact with him just yet). Hayes becomes an UFA this Saturday. Getting him would definitely make our offseason look a hell of a lot better.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 6:54 pm EST

Dylan McIlrath does the ice bucket challenge, suffers concussion and re-injures his shoulder(j/k).... http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/watch-dylan-mcilrath-does-ice-bucket-challenge/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 6:47 pm EST

Got excited to see DUCLAIR, TAMBELLINI and BUCHNEVICH in the same tourney, but Butch ain't gonna be their. Another curiosity is I don't see Call ANDERSSON's name there. I was under the impression he was jumping the pond this year, but saw somewhere he's playing in the Swiss league? Ryan GRAVES, who is supposed to be in camp this year, is apparently recovering from a shoulder injury...anyway...will be good to see HAGGERTY and McCARTHY...ditto for BODIE...IVERSON too...but I'm a little underwhelmed by the roster...first Traverse City squad I can remember that is devoid of a first-rounder...and the only second-rounder I can see is HALVERSON...more of a commentary on where the Rangers' farm system is...less on the players they chose...I think the one I'm most curious about is Tambellini, just because he tore up the WHL when he got there, but really didn't do squat in the NCAA...and we'll see if ST. CROIX...another who wrecked shop in western Canada but hasn't done squat against higher competition...wasn't much more than a year ago when we were all pretty excited about him...now you never hear his name...and there's the guy I was talking up bigtime last year...Sam NOREAU...huge RHS defender who I had high hopes for, but, like St. Croix, ended up toiling in the ECHL...Not sure what other team's rosters look like, but the Rangers do actually have a decent amount of experienced players coming to camp...nine guys with either NCAA or AHL experience...Keep an eye on Michael KANTOR..sandpaper player with some skill. He got a look in Hartford, and, if I remember correctly, looked pretty good(despite the goose eggs in the stats column).

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 5:14 pm EST

CM if Richard's contract wasn't what it was, he'd still be on the roster......

stevielegs


Tue Aug 12 2014 2:17 pm EST

sorry, thats a bad link, and I now see Hospo's earlier post.

Messier11


Tue Aug 12 2014 2:16 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 50s #NYR announce 23-man roster for annual prospects tourney, Blue Notes, http://nwsdy.li/1fIeZTd

Messier11


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:33 pm EST

Well, I guess it's appropriate for Shark Week. Just when I thought it was safe to come back in the water... Oh, well. I'll try again in a few weeks.

ColoradoMark


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:25 pm EST

Rangers TRAVERS CITY ROSTER can be found at TDCHI ..http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6510/rangers-announce-roster-for-2014-traverse-city-tournament?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1407867280#.U-pbuvldXCs

Hospo


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:21 pm EST

TDCHI - If LOMBARDI is healthy, you are not bringing him in to juice up your AHL team, you are, given the Rangers options, bringing him in to be a top 9 forward on your NHL team..and likely before guys like Miller, Fast, Lindberg, whoever......I'm not sure where all this PENNE talk game from, likely from fan chatter becasue I can't see him being a fit.....STILL..it does seem that there might be money left for another 1M a year forward....We'll see...Personally, even with GLASS I don't think this team has enough grit/protection/whatever...One little injury to him and you have NICK TARNASKY for the first 40-50 chaotic games where tougher guys get more play....

Hospo


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:13 pm EST

jnyr - Fortunately for us, the Flyers are about as punchless as they've ever been. SIMMONDS is probably their toughest player unless ROSENHILL can get in the lineup. There's Zac RINALDO, but he's not exactly a guy you worry about too much.

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:09 pm EST

Rhet0ric - hate to play devil's advocate for GLASS...a signing I never liked...but he played on a line with the dregs of the Penguins' lineup...really, guys who barely belonged in the NHL...not that he's any great shakes, but I'll cut him a little slack if he can be a regulator out there and not be a liability...Still would have signed CARCILLO over him though. Cheaper and a better player.

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 1:06 pm EST

RF4L - The only reason I see them bringing PENNER is for size...And in truth, I can't see it happening with the lack of cap space and the signings they've already made...Like I said, I'm more curious how some of the vets/marginal AHLers they brought in play out...I've got two theories right now, the first is that this camp will, in fact, be a free-for-all and that with few exceptions...GLASS and Dan BOYLE being them...everyone is fighting for a spot on the team...and that means no certainties...and the second is that the Rangers expect at least three of their one-way signings...maybe four...to play in Hartford and win there...seems the lack of playoff experience with the Pack/Whale is wearing on the Rangers...six games in three years now...15 in five....losing down there and playing in an empty barn can't be good for anyone coming up through the system...so maybe this is an attempt to get some successful AHLers into the mix...MUELLER and Chris BOURQUE are two great examples of guys you pull in if you want to juice up your AHL team...If that's their aim...to take guys like Mueller and perhaps even LOMBARDI and get them to Hartford to make that team sucessful...then perhaps Penner is in the future...if not though, there's simply no room for him..on the roster or cap wise.

tdchi


Tue Aug 12 2014 10:18 am EST

HIP--I did the same. I watched Games 1 and 2 over. The reason is because this garbage about the Rangers being blown out was irritating me, and I wanted to make sure the series was as competitive as I thought it was. Hindsight, those 2 games are where it was lost. The Rangers deserved and should have won one of them, and could have won both. Still wonder if Dan O'Halloran got his name on the cup. Jerk.

Bob


Tue Aug 12 2014 9:44 am EST

Stop torturing yourself Hip. I rewatched whole series but dont plan on even looking at it ever again. Its too much. Pretty good hockey though.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 12 2014 8:59 am EST

I just rewatched' game 1 of The Stanley Cup Finals. It's almost eerie how much that game is a microcosm of the entire series. Rangers were the better team for long stretches, the momentum shifts were backbreaking & almost unbearable. Rangers somehow deserved a better fate, but at the same time Los Angeles deserved everything they worked for as well. Kings were the better Team, but our Rangers could easily, easily have won that thing. They played well enough to win.

hipcheck


Tue Aug 12 2014 7:32 am EST

(Tanner Glass) was the worst player in the league in driving puck possession, relative to his team/teammates..... http://blueseatblogs.com/2014/08/12/bad-tanner-glass-going/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 12 2014 2:58 am EST

RR: another thing I like about Moore is that on a team as physically soft as we are, he just may be our best fighter. Something you can't discount when you play the Flyers seven times a year.

jnyr


Mon Aug 11 2014 10:53 pm EST

Perry Pearn has been hired as an asst coach in Vancouver. Man too bad he can't coax Wade Redden out of retirement to run his vaunted Power Play! LOL. Now Trautwig can cream all over his fancy ties again when they come to town. It amazes me that these guys keep getting hired. Just get on the wheel and they just rotate through the league. Just amazing.

NYStranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 10:31 pm EST

Regarding PENNER................NO. The only think to like about him is his size. The rest of his game doesn't fit what the Rangers are building.

Vic


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:01 pm EST

Penner ate his way out of the NHL. Guy has all the tools, but not the heart and desire to work hard enough to stay in the league.

Bob


Mon Aug 11 2014 8:39 pm EST

TD: IMO if Penner is signed it's because the brass isn't as enamoured with Miller as they keep hinting they are.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 6:56 pm EST

On PENNER - I've always been a fan..even when he was getting dogged in LA and Edmonton. Wanted the Rangers to sign him after the LA cup win...wanted them to sign him last summer...The guy has two cup rings and that's more than most of the Rangers right now...would be a passable replacement for Brian BOYLE, no doubt...maybe even an improvement...but the question then becomes who goes down? I was always under the impression that Chris MUELLER was Hartford-bound, but the more I hear about the Rangers, the more he seems like this year's Patrick Rissmiller...a guy signed for no explicable reason who will take up a roster spot until the obvious becomes clear...the fact he's on a one-way contract is kind of suspicious to me, unless they simply want to pay him to be an AHL all-star...KOSTKA and HUNWICK also on one-way contracts, which, if I'm not mistaken, means if the Rangers end up sending all three down to Hartford, they're still on the hook for a lot of their salary...I know they will still need to pay their full salaries...my question, though, is whether their cap hits remain. If they do, the Rangers ain't signing anyone...the other question I would have re: Penner would be how does that fit into AV's system? He was painfully slow last year and I can't see him getting any quicker. Then again, he seemed to do well with the Ducks and the Kings, which didn't exactly employ a plodding offense...anyway, the wild card to me now is MUELLER and how(if) he fits into the lineup.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 5:50 pm EST

If they paid JMOORE as much as $1,250,000, sent Hunwik, Kostka, Mueller, & Fast down, and brought JTMiller up, we'd have right around $1,850,000 in cap space..... Would love for Slather to wow us by bringing in a top six somehow, by trading some of this accumulated depth that we've collected......

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:31 pm EST

They'll lock up Moore, MF, that's a no-brainer. Think its advantageous for the front office to cry poverty a bit here with everyone, be it a FA like Penner or a RFA like Moore. But I've said, maybe not clear enough, I'm real excited to see what Moore has learned, for this reason; he has a real rare skill set for a young d-man, his skating is that exceptional. He's shown some onions. And the experience he just went trough is also really rare, getting that deep in that's intense a playoff. If he can take the next step he could become a helluva dman, and the D itself improves by a few leaps if not bounds. Plus he's go an ultimate role model in McD to watch up close, Staal, just a great great group to learn from and a staff that likes him. The same could be said for his whole group in fact. If they come out of the gate with the same intensity or even anything close to how they finished, they will be playing at a very, VERY high level.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:09 pm EST

What's up with John Moore? I hope we're signing this kid. IMO he is an important part of this team & it's chemistry. He's going to keep getting better on our squad... He's a keeper, especially at these prices......"Doo do doo do doo do do doo..."

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:02 pm EST

Penner: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4412

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 4:01 pm EST

mf take a walk on the wild side.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 11 2014 3:49 pm EST

Saw some buzz NYR might be talking to Penner. Hard to understand at this point; makes for a crowded field, even one kid would have trouble breaking through. Same time, name of the game this year is win, not age. Penner had almost identical statistical year to Puliot , 6-4 and we could use the size. A speedster he is not.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 2:02 pm EST

Rabbit: that's why I posted a "non-hockey" related post here a couple of days back regarding a specific matrix.... For those who passed it up, I recommend you check it out and have a laugh....

mf


Mon Aug 11 2014 11:32 am EST

Well, TD, of course I think there was a ton of evidence AV was less than enamoured with Richards right from the start, when he used him as a wing, obviously not believing he should be one of the team's top 3 centers. He only moved back to the middle (of the 3rd unit) when Puliot started showing signs of sticking in the top 6. And even before the deadline BR was firmly pushed back to the third line. This is where, as I was saying to NYStranger - in a post that now resides on the off-topic wall - that I believe the possibility of acquiring St Louis became real possibility (as Sather said the deal was in the works for some time), and naturally the idea of reuniting he & Richards became a somewhat attractive option, all things considered. But look, no reason we can't have diametrically opposed on this or any other topic without killing each other, and I appreciate your civil tone. You believe what you want & I'll do the same. Its really water under the bridge now anyway, and I don't want to beat a dead horse. Richards was a good dude, did his best, I'd never accuse him otherwise. And I do believe the tone he helped set in the POs will really benefit our young guys going forward. He's just losing it, happens to everybody. The thing with Richards is, it was never just his skating. His puck-handling and passing were so awful at times it was totally unprofessional & really alarming & baffling. I can't even remember another athlete in any sport when fell off so dramatically. maybe HoJo with the Mets, who went from 40 homers to relative obscurity in the blink of an eye, but many thought that was related to PEDs or cork. Or both. Anyway, I blame Sather on BR, but that's really another story.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 11:04 am EST

RR - Richards average TOI during the playoffs: 17 minutes...25 seconds less than NASH. 12 seconds more than KREIDER. We get it. You don't like Richards..but the reality doesn't match your supposition. I agree, Richards looked slow toward the end. The guy was tired and shouldn't have been skating as much as he was...but to say AV wanted him off the team...well, that's a supposition simply not supported by any sort of evidence.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:41 am EST

TD: Re the KHL - agreed. The legitimate NHLers from Russia would rather play in the NHL. For the young bubble players who are arguably bubble players because they need more maturation, it's more alluring to play in their home country for more money than ride the buses in the minors (as you say). It hurts their development and from an NHL team's standpoint, is no doubt frustrating because they lose control over the development of that player. For example, Buchnevich looks like he's got high-end offensive skill but from what I've seen his game lacks discipline and if that is the case once he comes to NY, it's reasonable to project that the Rangers would send him to Hartford to learn that aspect of the game. The Rangers will lose that opportunity to teach him that if Buchnevich rejects the demotion and flees back to Russia. This is why these kids are available in the draft lower than their skillset suggests they should be. It's risky, in other words.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:34 am EST

Look at Richards' ice when it mattered MOST, the finals. I know Gm 4 he was down around 13 mins total, about 1:30-2:00 on PP. Basically he was a 10-minute player, a warm body AV couldn't wait to get off the ice. Thats what they thought of him. Except on the PP. There AV should've choked on one of his lozenges before calling BRs number, but unfortunately didnt. And coincidentally, thats MORE than Torts thought of him, cause he at least pressboxed his useless ass in the POs.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:20 am EST

Richards TOI was high because he (inexplicably) got more power play time than anyone on the damn team!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:14 am EST

RF4L - Yes, of course, the Richards buyout was a foregone conclusion. The Rangers had no choice...but the premise with this Richards discussion was if, per chance, there weren't the ridiculous restrictions of his contract...if Richards was simply making $6.6 million straight up...would he still be a Ranger today? I say he would. Say what you will about AV's speed game. He played Richards just as much as Totorella did the year before...in fact, here's a little piece of trivia for anyone who thinks he was an ancillary player: Richards skated an average of 18:41 per game. That was fifth on the team and first among forwards. If that's a player a coach doesn't have confidence in playing, then I'm missing something big here....I don't think Richards' absence is a death knell...but it's going to hurt a lot more than many here suspect.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 9:09 am EST

Think you're right on NYStranger. I did a little minor Richards rant lol, but posted it to the off-topic wall by accident. Its scary over there!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 11 2014 8:52 am EST

RF4L - I think the allure of the KHL has diminished significantly...and with few exceptions, most young players at least want a shot at the NHL...I think where it has impacted development is at the minor league level...players want to either jump directly into the NHL or spend a little time in the CHL, then jump directly into the NHL...if given the choice to stay in Russia and play in the KHL or make $60k and ride charter buses...these kids would rather hang in the KHL and come over when they're guaranteed a spot. I would wager that's probably why a guy like PASHNIN never bothered to come over. I think this business with the KHL being a rival league for the NHL, however, is something that never really added up. It'll always be second best.

tdchi


Mon Aug 11 2014 8:01 am EST

On the Richards topic, IMO it was a no-brainer he had to be bought out. It's also a no-brainer to realize he's lost a step - skating never was his strong point and as he's aging and many teams are emphasizing a speed game, it's compounded. I also believe he's going to be missed more than some on here believe and not just away from the ice.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 7:57 am EST

TD: My whole point about bringing up Pashin and the Tank was that neither are in the Rangers system because Russian players have a valid option when it comes to playing professional hockey if they aren't happy with how they perceive they are being treated by the NHL club that owns their rights. They get to play, oftentimes for very good money, professionally in their own country. That's no doubt very alluring. It's why some quite talented players are available well past their skillset suggests they should in the draft. This is why Buchnevich was available in the 3rd round 2 drafts ago and why there's no guarantee he'll ever put on a Ranger uniform, although given the fact that he's participated in Ranger amateur camps it appears that he intends to. It will be interesting to see how if reacts if/when he does come over and management decides he needs time in the AHL.

RF4L


Mon Aug 11 2014 6:53 am EST

The question was not if they would dump Richards but that they were forced to buy him out and could not trade him. I think the Rangers brass were pretty peeved about the conditions of Richards buy back cap hit compared to say Kovalchuks. I know I am. I think the Rangers would have loved to trade him even if they had to eat some contract but they couldn't. All the rest IMO is politics. We loved him in the locker room, he helped me with my game, he helped me off the ice...bla bla bla.

NYStranger


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:11 pm EST

Apologies to GeneCarr or whomever asked me to cool it with the cursing. I do try. But that subject does not sit well AT ALL, and the words just come out, and I can't go back & edit. But you'd have to be deaf dumb & blind to think Rangers brass wanted ANY part of Richards returning.Sather just couldn't help himself last year and tried to wring out a bit more from what was an awful investment. Just awful. By December he was DONE. DONE!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 10 2014 9:50 pm EST

Vigneault demoted Richards and finally replaced him on the PP, if only temporarily, in the playoffs. No way in the world he wanted that slow poke back when he's trying to build a roster of ferrarris. Please already.This whole notion Richards would ever be brought back as a pure hockey decision is BUNK, put out by NYR PR to lessen the embarrassment of being bought out.Richards was a good guy here so they did what they could to soften the blow. But he was an unmitigated disaster on the fucking power play and - with his horrid mismanagement of the point, may well have coast us a fucking Stanley Cup, and frankly, its amazing how many people bought that line of utter BULLSHIT while that flopsy mopsy motherfucker skated off (slowly. Very slowly) with $27m after fucking us up. I'd like to punch Sather in the face for that blunder. Asshole.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 10 2014 9:01 pm EST

TD: Clearly, you think he's ready. From what I can discern for the Rangers they are hoping he's ready and doing their best to make it look like how you feel.

RF4L


Sun Aug 10 2014 6:54 pm EST

Puck: And the reconstructed 4th line should hopefully chip in a few more goals to help win those 1 goal games.....especially if we can replace the goals provided by Poulliot and Richards by our reconstructed top 9.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 10 2014 5:44 pm EST

When you think of the Boyle acquisition and the loss of Richards/Stralman - I think of it this way. The NYR went to the conference finals and SC finals in last 3 years, but came up short. One of the major reasons why has been the PP failure. Whether it was Richards or MDZ, the point man was the obvious weakness. Now we shall see if the addition of Boyle makes the difference in those 1 goal games.

puckyou


Sun Aug 10 2014 4:52 pm EST

The question is jt jitters mentally ready... So far he hasn't been nhl ready. Hopefully he gets it otherwise he will go back down or get traded... Kid k wasn't but finally figured it out and he still has a long way to go in developing into a top winger....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 10 2014 2:10 pm EST

Valentenko has put up decent numbers in the KHL. Would he replace Moore? Would we have traded for Moore in the first place? who knows.

Messier11


Sun Aug 10 2014 1:58 pm EST

With Staal, McDonagh and MDZ already in NY, where was V-Tank going to play? After the trade for Tim Erixon he fell even further down the depth chart and it was not a surprise to see him return to the KHL. Pashnin on the other hand, turned some heads in camp but has done little else to show that he even belongs in the NHL. Also, neither player would really fit into AV's system today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 10 2014 1:01 pm EST

RF4L - Answer is MILLER is ready. There's nothing he's going to learn down in Hartford that he hasn't learned already. What he needs now is 15-plus minutes per game in the NHL Even 10 minutes on fourth line would be good, IMO.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 12:43 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 25 Sep 2011 Torts said he didn't have great camp RT @TheZwede: @stevezipay Did Rangers sent down Valentenko because injury or he wasn't good enough?

Messier11


Sun Aug 10 2014 12:43 pm EST

On AV - I think with exception to RICHARDS and maybe POULIOT, I think the other moves we've seen are AV molding the team to his style...there's no doubt in my mind the emphasis on speed in the off-season acquisitions has been something AV has been behind...Among the players moved, the only two who had any speed were Pouliot and maybe STRALMAN...I think the dismantling of that successful fourth line was to get some burners down there...I think if AV was GM and not constrained by the cap, the only one move he probably would have changed was the Richards' buyout...everything else seems like it would have his blessing.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 12:38 pm EST

Ranger47 - I don't know. I don't think either of them would return much without a guarantee they're coming back over. Maybe some late-round picks. PASHNIN is the most interesting of the two, because there is/was such high hope for him...I really liked TANK though, as a blueliner. Just a thick guy. Hard-hitter...My other curiosity about both was whether the coach had anything to do with both guys choice to play in Russia...Didn't seem to me that Tortorella liked Russian players very much. And it's interesting...the Rangers really have had many/any Russians since ANISIMOV was moved...either in Hartford or on the team.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 11:00 am EST

Not sure how best to ask this question....I was thinking how AV came here and instituted his system with the team he inherited. He then made some tweaks and limited personnel changes (MSL in, Callahan out, etc) based on what was possible. Understanding the cap restrictions, and assuming that he could change the team which ended last season with whatever he wanted changed for the new season, what changes would he have made? Got assume for cap reasons and possible age and speed issues that BR would still be gone. And given the chance to swap out Stralman for Dan Boyle (a no-brainer) he'd have made that switch. But, what other changes would he have made and how would that compare to the team he now has? Probably would have kept Pouliott and BB (or might he wanted to replace the entire 4th line to get more production)? Just musing on how AV might have changed the team given the cap and current contracts even if Pouliiott, Boyle, Dorsett, Carcillo and others were still possibly available. Does he like this team as constructed better than the one he had at the end of last year? Got to figure he'd have made changes anyway?!

Ranger47


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:51 am EST

TD: Any chance we could trade the rights to Tank and Pashin to other teams needing lefthanded D depth? Better than getting nothing for them....

Ranger47


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:22 am EST

Two things: I don't think anyone is writing off Miller - instead it's more wondering about his readiness. That potential forward lineup is rather unimposing.

RF4L


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:20 am EST

On July 1, the Rangers signed goalie Cedrick Desjardins to a two-year, two-way deal that will pay him $300,000 to play in Hartford. Desjardins, 28, said that he did not hesitate when the Rangers approached him and cited that there is a certain prestige that comes from playing for the Rangers. (TVA) He said that he knows his deal is mostly to play in the AHL but he hopes he gets some time in the NHL. Desjardins says that the Rangers have their number one goalie but want extra depth. (TVA) Desjardins says that he already knows Benoit Allaire. (TVA) He is 2-4 in his NHL career with a .919 save percentage and 2.42 GAA. He stopped 34 of 35 shots against the Rangers in 2011. In the AHL, he is 104-79-19. He is 19-9 in the AHL playoffs.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:19 am EST

RF4L - the thing with both PASHNIN and VALENTENKO are they can read the writing on the wall in the Rangers' org. They're both lefties and there's a literal log-jam of lefties on a team that's been coached by two guys who hardly ever play defensmen on the off side. ..Tank could have played in the NHL, but the most he was going to get in NY was third-pairing minutes...and to do that he would have needed to unseat MDZ, who, while persona nongrata at several points in his tenure as a Ranger, always seemed to have a chokehold on that third-pairing each camp...ditto with Pashnin. He keeps signing new contracts in Russia because it makes no sense to come over...best case scenario is he makes John MOORE expendable and gets 15 minutes a night. Worst case...and most likely scenario is he ends up making 60k and riding a bus between games in the AHL...I think if either of them were righties, they'd would be here competing for a job...BUCHNEVICH, however...I think it's a pretty safe assumption he'll jump the pond next year....who knows? Maybe even after the KHL season. If he develops from what I saw at the WJC tourney, you better believe the Rangers are going to be pushing hard for him to join the mix...He's one to really keep an eye on during this year's tourney...There's a future for this kid in New York.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 10:04 am EST

On MILLER - There's not a question in my mind he'll be in the lineup in the opener..Just a matter of where in the lineup he goes...I actually think he'd be a great replacement for POULIOT...to some extent, they're similar players...and given the Rangers' lineup, they really do need someone with edge among their top three...but I also can't imagine a situation right now where ST. LOUIS isn't with either BRASSARD or STEPAN...if that's the case, we'll likely see the Nash line stay together, and Zucc slide over to the left. In that situation, MOORE matches up with HAGLEIN and STEMNIAK and Mills slides onto the left or at center with LOMBARDI and GLASS...And regarding the notion that Miller is a bust...that's ridiculous...Don't know how anyone could be down on the kid after watching him in the playoffs...the only question about Miller right now his ceiling...whether he becomes a 40-point grinder or if he has greater things in store. I've compared him before to a poor man's Mike RICHARDS and I stand by that comparison.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 9:48 am EST

On RICHARDS - I've said it before, he was a big loss for the Rangers. Certainly he wasn't worth his contract, but he was a big reason the Rangers were as successful as they were...A lot of fans seem to have a casual attitude...sort of an "oh well" take on Richards leaving..I think we're going to find that among those who left, his absence will be missed the most...intangibles are one thing...but who replaces Richards' 20 goals and 31 helpers? Matt Lombardi? Lee Stempniak? Tanner Glass? Coupled with POULIOT'S production, there's a lot of offense the Rangers are going to need to replace...Sad to say, I think the success of the Rangers will live and die with the Rick NASH we get...If we end up with 2013-2014 Rick Nash, it ain't gonna be pretty.

tdchi


Sun Aug 10 2014 6:23 am EST

Intangibles

stevielegs


Sat Aug 9 2014 8:58 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello was asked about the Rangers losing Brad Richards and said that he was a “vital cog” in the team, “especially off the ice.” (Nettavisen) It’s been said that the Rangers, with their buyout of Richards, lost their captain for the second time this season. He says that Richards was a big help because of his experience and was a big leader in the locker room. (Nettavisen) Zuccarello added, “It’s clear he’s going to be a loss.” (Nettavisen) He said on the day of the buyout that losing Richards is “a shame.” Carl Hagelin said that Richards was an “amazing” teammate who helped him a lot. Henrik Lundqvist said, “Brad Richards has been outstanding this season on and off the ice and accepted the role of more responsibility and a lot of credit to Brad.” (Fox Sports) Chris Kreider said that Richards has helped him through every single low point in his career. (ESPN NY)

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 9 2014 5:49 pm EST

Tough break for Ekblad and the Panthers team/fans...

Ranger47


Sat Aug 9 2014 4:11 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57605-Panthers-Ekblad-leaves-Canadian-world-junior-camp-with-concussion.html

mf


Sat Aug 9 2014 4:05 pm EST

2093? Think im a longshot. .

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:57 pm EST

RR: 93-94? :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:27 pm EST

Coming off a Cup final, more young guys pushing to get in. If you cant be overly optimistic now when can you be?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:09 pm EST

We won't know more about Miller until we see him in camp (and beyond). But, I for one, think that he'll make the team and even has an excellent chance to possibly to replace Pulliot. I could even see him getting a shot at Kreider's spot on the Stephan-Nash line (where he can create space for the other two) and Kreider sliding down to the Brassard-Zucc line where he can be an even greater scoring threat. But, then, I'm probably being too optimistic about Miller (i.e. see "lifelong Ranger fan" in the encyclopedia. :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:05 pm EST

never mind. http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/551615

Messier11


Sat Aug 9 2014 1:04 pm EST

what team?

Messier11


Sat Aug 9 2014 12:27 pm EST

A kid found a 68-yr old Cup ring in a river. It should be so easy for the Rangers to get one!!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 12:13 pm EST

Miler has to win over his coach. I hope he does. I have no problem with AV's approach. Guys can actually get out of his doghouse (Pouliot) and be productive.

Bob


Sat Aug 9 2014 11:25 am EST

I'm not sure why some are down on MILLER. It would be great if every kid "got it" by the age of 19 and had the desire, work ethic and tenacity to succeed at the NHL at that age. It doesn't happen that way in real life though. Everyone is different. Some people take longer to develop physically and/or mentally. When I look at MILLER I see a kid with good size, skating ability and skill. I see the potential for him to be a player at the NHL level. Contrast that with a kid like GRACHEV. When I saw GRACHEV I never thought for a second that he could be am impact player at the NHL level. MILLER looks like 10 times the prospect that GRACHEV ever was. Personally, I think MILLER has already started to show that he gets it now. His brief appearance in the playoffs was unfortunate because he looked great up until he got hurt. For the Rangers sake I hope he shows up to camp and is the player we think he can become. The Rangers need him to take that next step now. In a way it is unfair to him to be placed in that situation but it is what it is. Camp can't start soon enough for me.

Vic


Sat Aug 9 2014 10:52 am EST

Traverse begins Sept 12 so about 5 weeks. We get preseason games a few weeks later.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 9 2014 10:44 am EST

slow week. how many days until training camp?

Messier11


Sat Aug 9 2014 6:18 am EST

Katie strang..".It's not until the American flag, and often the U.S. serviceman or woman carrying it, exits the ice that he skates off for the last few seconds of pregame preparation. It's just a thing he does, he says, to show appreciation for his country and those who serve. It's a simple token of respect. At a time in the game when the very notion of respect is a hot topic of debate, McDonagh represents a throwback of sorts. Still young at just 24, he embodies the old-school, blue-collar, meat-and-potatoes hockey player of previous generations, a player who embraces the concept of loyalty, commitment, honor and, most importantly, respect. "

stevielegs


Sat Aug 9 2014 6:17 am EST

All valid points regarding Miller made, I just have a gut feeling he will come to camp and take off. If he does, I think it will have a huge impact. I also think it will be as a wing not center.

gene_carr


Sat Aug 9 2014 5:38 am EST

So far to me jt jitters looks like the next delzero..... “It’s really a fine line between trying to improve the team for the near future against giving up some of the young talent we have here,” David Wright said before a quiet 0-for-3. “I think you’ve got to get close to where you’re a piece or two away [in order to sacrifice the future].”

stevielegs


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:28 pm EST

Yup, hunger is the word JFC. Couldn't put my finger on it. I've been waiting to see the Miller I saw for U.S. juniors, if only briefly. He was an edgy player, the kind if you gave him a shot, you got one right back, and if you looked at him like you wanted more, the gloves were off. Not that fighting means so much, but it shows respect for yourself and a willingness to inflict, that's the key thing, initiating action, better to give than receive. JT's been tentative in his trial runs, and to try to be understanding, he did have Torts breakin balls, and let's face it, Tortorella screwed with the heads of a Zuc & Kreider too. JT got chances under AV this year, but the always seemed hurried, injury callups, different positions & roles, etc, he was wearing out the highway between NY and Hartford. And he was trying to jump into a team that after January at least was playing at a very high level. So, we'll see.I'm not his biggest fan, but hey, win me over. it'd be a frickin' boon to this team if this kid comes in and makes an impact.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:01 pm EST

RR -- I agree....the most important thing that JT Miller can do in camp is show that he is the hungriest to make the club, that he will do,anything & everything in order to get a spot. He cannot go in there like he's a veteran. He needs to show he wants it badly. They already know he has the tools....he needs to show hunger....and smarts, too....that he studied his coverages and takes them seriously. The job is there waiting for him to grab it.

JFC31


Fri Aug 8 2014 5:19 pm EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/mike-kostka/watch-michael-kostkas-ice-bucket-challenge-he-has-awesome-hair/

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:39 pm EST

Rangers re-sign Ryan Bourque.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:33 pm EST

The Rangers don't have 'expectations' for JT anymore because they don't know what he's going to be. AV said as much. I think they expect him to challenge for an NHL job, but if its top 6 or top 12 no one seems to know at this point.I get the sense his chance is going to come at wing, which I think is better for him, but if their other centers falter or JT looks good there, I'm sure they won't hesitate to use him. If I was that kid I'd just make sure I was the hardest working guy on the ice, always take the body, take no prisoners. Thats what the team needs, that's where he can carve a niche for himself. He has real offensive ability, he'll get his chances and convert some if not many no matter where he plays. But he's got to be in the lineup to do it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:16 pm EST

jnyr: I was referring to Pashin, but as I mentioned earlier, what I wonder about Russian players electing to play their earlier years in Russia vs NA, applies to the Tank, too.

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 3:15 pm EST

gene: I don't know about before his 1 year tenure in the CHL, but IMO he did not exceed expectations at that level. He didn't underachieve, but based on where he was selected by the Rangers and by his junior club and what his skillset is supposed to be, IMO he met expectations. I maintain he should have been returned to junior the year he went pro so he could be given a real opportunity to exceed expectations. I agree one could argue that what he accomplished in Hartford last year exceeds expectations, but one could easily counter that with the fact that it was only half a season and once again given his potential and where the Rangers apparently envision him eventually playing (top 6 in the NHL), the numbers he put up he should be putting up. In conclusion, from where I sit, he's yet to exceed expectations, unless one figures him to be a third line player. Is that what the Rangers think? Maybe, but to me, when you pick a forward 15th overall, unless he's got something truly unusually exceptional (like size and/or physical strength ala Joel Otto) you are anticipating getting one day a top 6 NHLer. JMHO...

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 2:39 pm EST

RF: are you talking about Valatenko aka the tank he had a real shot and had a pulled groin in training camp a few yrs back

jnyr


Fri Aug 8 2014 2:29 pm EST

Miller has exceeded expectations at every level before the NHL.. I think he is going to have a very good year (and not just because I predicted him as our draft pick back when).Remember all the negative reservations that were thrown at Zucc? Of course anything is possible, but I have a good feeling that JT is going to be a favorite and will more than compensate for the loss of Pouliot.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:45 pm EST

I don't disagree RF. As to what Mess is saying, Nash on LW with B & Z, maybe AV tries it, who knows what's going on in that fench canadian dome of his. I'm trying to keep an open mind because I think there will be a lot of juggling, or trial and error, or giving guys looks till they find something they like. We know AV likes pairs and he has two good ones in B& Z and Step & Kreider. So when I look at our Top 6, I see 4 real good players and 2 real big ?s in Nash and the blank left by Puliot. Once they see what they have, if they need to go outside for help I'm sure they will.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:41 pm EST

Pashin is who I was referring to. The other dude can over and did some time in the AHL, then when he decided his path to the NHL was too slow (or was blocked altogether), he went home. That said, perhaps if he'd been more patient, he, too, would be vying for a spot on the Rangers blueline (or Montreal's for that matter).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:38 pm EST

Stempniak is a classic look quite good for a shift or game or 2, then disappear for stretches of shifts and games. There's a reason he was signed cheaply. Not saying he has no value, but top 6 he's not (IMO). Brassard and MZA are top 6.

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:27 pm EST

Ill bet Nash is also a candidate for that line

Messier11


Fri Aug 8 2014 1:26 pm EST

The other tidbit inside that NHL.com preview is Gorton saying how the vacated LW spot once held by Puliot will now probably be a bit of 'trial & error', and how the coaches have a few ideas on how they'll try to fill it. With Gorton again stressing how this is a great chance for Miller, and he lauded his skills & abilities, my total guess is AV is going to look at JT, Stempniak, and possibly even Lombardi there, and see who meshes with Brassard & Zuc. I do think we might be pleasantly surprised by Stempniak, whether he wins that LW spot or not. I remembered seeing him with a shorthanded breakaway on what seemed like a nightly basis when he was in Calgary early in the year. And the Rangers PK is going to look a lot different without the octopus that was Boyle. But if its guys like Hagelin and Lombardi and Stemp, they're going to look quicker and be pretty dangerous if the puck bobbles around near the point.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 12:50 pm EST

valentenko, pashnin

Messier11


Fri Aug 8 2014 12:30 pm EST

TD: I don't think we are disagreeing over where Kristo is at right now. I'm not by any means writing him off - just saying, as you did, that this is a crucial year for him given (primarily) his age. He needs to step things up. On that Russian kid and lamenting the fact that he's not going to play in NA this year - yeah, that's the concern with most of his peers and why they drop in the draft. He'd, without a doubt, be better served to play his final teenaged year in the CHL against kids his own age and where the Rangers are able to more closely monitor his progress. I wonder where that defenseman (sorry his name escapes me) would be today in his NA career if he'd come over 2 years ago. He might be a regular on the Ranger blueline now (or ready to challenge for a top 6 spot).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 12:05 pm EST

Ice Bucket challenge...... http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/lets-watch-chris-kreider-get-drenched-with-freezing-water.html ....http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/mats-zuccarello/watch-mats-zuccarello-does-ice-bucket-challenge/

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:55 am EST

August 8th, 2014 7:24 am Yesterday against Finland, Brandon Halverson stopped 16 of 17 shots including some “fine chances” from Finland. (NHL.com) USA coach Mark Osiecki said that Halverson has played “very well” and his puck handling is “outstanding.” The coach said that the group worked on some breakouts starting with the goalie and Halverson handled those “flawlessly.”(NHL.com) Halverson picked up a secondary assist on a USA goal and his puck handling was described as “incredible.” (McMahon) Halverson didn’t face much action but was “very good” when he was tested. (Kimelman)

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:53 am EST

Anthony Duclair picked up an assist last night in Canada’s win over Russia. He skated on a line with Sam Reinhart (2nd overall) and Sam Bennett (4th overall) and fed Reinhart for the goal. Duclair made a “great pass” (Gord Miller) “great pass” (Terry Koshan) Corey Pronman listed Duclair as one of the players that he “liked” in the second period last night. He thinks that Duclair, while referencing another player, could be a strong candidate to make the Canada team. Canada coach Benoit Groulx says that Duclair has had a strong week and has been using his speed and skill. (Gazette)

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:50 am EST

"We liked him in college," Clark said. "It wasn't working out for him in Montreal and he turned out to be our No. 1 right wing in Hartford in his first full season. He's got speed, skill and knack of the puck somehow following him around. We're hoping to improve our pool of prospects at the center position where we weren't very deep as an organization in Hartford. We hope Danny can help us in that area." ....http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727801&navid=nhl:topheads

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:46 am EST

No doubt, cant dismiss the fact Kristo hasnt played an NHL game yet. Potential means you havent done it yet. And until he does, hes a prospective player, thus the term. Especially when contemplating replacing your defacto No. 1. But they seem to think this is the right move for them & Kristo. Will be real interesting to see what he does with the chance.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:29 am EST

One of the kids I'm eager to hear more about and mentioned in the link Rhet0ric posted: Pavel BUCHNEVICH. Honestly, out of the few Ranger-prospects that were in the 2013-14 WJC, he stood out the most. Shame he's going to be in Russia for another year, but look for him to be named to Team Russia for 2015 and perhaps to hop the pond for the 2015-2016 season. Lot's of high hopes for that kid. Would fit really nicely into the up-tempo game AV has demonstrated.

tdchi


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:18 am EST

RF4L - I wouldn't downplay KRISTO too much. He actually had a very good season with the Pack last year. Adjusted very well to the AHL and started off like gangbusters...my three criticisms of his year in Hartford are 1. he seemed to trail off halfway through the year, which isn't too uncommon for a guy coming from the AHL; 2. he ended up injured a bunch, which is something that dovetails into my next point; 3. he got knocked around quite a bit. Expounding on this last point, Kristo is a tiny guy. I know his dimensions don't look overly small, but that's the game he place on the ice. You have a guy like CALLAHAN who is of a similar size who is a human wrecking ball...Not Kristo. He seemed pretty easy to knock off the puck and if we're talking physicality, it's just not there...he's a finesse guy and if you give him room to run, he'll pull some dazzling moves(hence the 25 goals in 65 games). Problem is, there's even less room in the NHL and he was having trouble at times finding it in the AHL. I do think this is a make-or-break year for Kristo. IF he comes in stronger on his skates and with a little more tenacity, he could see a call-up...and there's a chance that he's adjusted now to the AHL and is ready to move up. The guy does have elite hands. No question about it. But when I look at Hartford, I see FAST as a more complete player.

tdchi


Fri Aug 8 2014 11:08 am EST

KRISTO has never played center in his college or professional career. Never saw him there once in Hartford, and it wasn't like they were deep up the middle...and in the games I watched, never saw him even take a face-off...He was used on the wing in the USNDP and even in the USHL...While I'm sure he could play center in a pinch, but even having him play there for the Pack would be a stretch at this point in his career. I could understand if he were 20, but he's not...if the Rangers are looking to move him to center...much less move him there to replace STEPAN ... then something is rotten in Denmark. I guess anything is possible in hockey, but I would hope the Rangers would make a trade or two before they tried Kristo in the middle.

tdchi


Fri Aug 8 2014 10:09 am EST

I can't copy & paste but here's Clark verbatim. "We're hoping to improve our pool of prospects at the center position where we weren't very deep as an organization in Hartford. We hope Danny can help us in that area."

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 10:02 am EST

Haha...... Thought that too, Ola. Its plainly what Clark said. The quote was "Kristo can help our organizational depth (at center)." He couldn't have meant RW, because they don't have a depth problem there for sure. Again, they might want to shop him as a center or a C/RW. Winnipeg for instance badly wants a young scoring center. Who knows?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:58 am EST

Skating isn't the hard part for Kristo, the kid flies. Along those lines, who do you think fits AVs system better for 2015-16, Kristo or Step? Just saying, it MIGHT become feasible. I know Kristo played with Brock Nelson in college and set him up constantly. kristo can absolutely find the open man, and Id bet anything hes a better sniper than Stepan right now(Though Step has a great shot when he uses it) And I always thought its much more about who you're playing with than where you're playing in the chalkboard. After a faceoff, guys are all over the place anyway. As a center though, Kristo or anyone else is charged with coming back deep to pick up his man. Can he do it? The Rangers seem to think he might. And I think he's at a bit of a dead end on RW, at least this year. Nash, MSL, and Zuc aren't going anywhere. Stempniak and even Lombardi can play there as well, and so can Tanner Glass. Sure, thats depth line stuff, where Kristo would be wasted. But projecting down the road, you know Sathers always looking for bargains, and that could be a nifty way to save about $5m a year with little lost offensively. Just saying. I also have a higher opinion of Kristo than most FWIW. This surprised me from Clark but I kind of like the idea.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:43 am EST

Suprides by Clarkes comment re Kristo. Don't see him as center at all. I would be suprised if he is tried there and even more suprised if he made it. Could it just be a typo/bad transcription? Forward becomes center?

Ola


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:36 am EST

RR: It's usually a switch from center to wing, not the other way around. This is because earlier on the most skilled kids play either center or defense (as a puck moving defenseman). As they move up the food chain, they are competing more frequently with other centers, meaning eventually there's a logjam at center, so someone gets move to wing. What position did Kristo play in college? If he's been a winger most of his playing years it likely won't be easy to shift to center. Tons more skating and tons more responsibility.

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 9:23 am EST

RF, I said NEXT year regarding Sather maybe not wanting to pay Stepan, and Kristo possibly moving into a Top 6 role as a center. Is it feasible? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think BOTH Kristo & Step are entering pivotal years. For one, switching from wing to the middle is not a huge adjustment at all, plenty of guys can do it (amateur level obviously but I spent a lifetime switching back and forth between RW & C, depending what the teams needed. So did a million other guys I know. I loved both.Kristo is the kind of kid that MIGHT flourish with the extra open ice. That Montreal traded Kristo doesn't mean all that much to me either; they also traded McDonagh. Nor would I say he had a mediocre year. He led Hartford in goals. They brought him in as a scorer and he scored. And some of what I saw of that kid live really impressed me. As Clark said, the puck follows him around, and I think he's got the intestinal fortitude you want (again, despite what's said online frequently). Now Stepan? That guy should be scoring 25/70 with the chances he gets, and with the guys he's playing with. Say what you want about Nash, but he & Chris Kreider aren't exactly shabby linemates. They clicked sometime, but not as much as I'd like. Stepan won't shoot the damn puck! What kind of hockey player doesn't want to shoot? As intelligent as he is, he needs to realize this. Otherwise I think on this team he's a marginal and therefore replaceable player as a wishy-washy 50_pt guy. And the other thing that irks the piss out of me is he never even attempts to mix it up unless he himself has been nailed. Then he can crack people, just like he did to Mike Green. Very frustrating. Thats why, gun to my head, I take Brassard over Step anyway. But at these prices, $6m+ per, we could help the team in a lot of other areas and a guy like Step is way marketable. AND he held out, which Sather never forgets. So its wait-n-see but I think an interesting and worthwhile experiment.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:55 am EST

To add to that thought - now if Kristo improves (and would have to improve significantly IMO) this year and does so playing center for the Pack, perhaps in a couple of years he could move into the top 6 for the Rangers (which is why I think he's facing a crucial year this season).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:34 am EST

RR: I get that Stepan is lacking in a being a true number 1 center, but do you honestly believe a guy who's not a center, who got traded by his drafting team for a marginal prospect because of perceived attitude problems, who's had one professional season, and didn't exactly overwhelm in his debut is ready to replace on a cup finalist team the defacto number 1 center? For me, not a for a NY minute. IMO, Kristo is facing a crucial year - he's not a 21 year old neophyte - he's now 24. He's headed into the prime of his career (25 to 28) when most players max out in their development. Kristo, in other words, has a ton of catching up to do and IMO another so-so season (like last year) could mean he's an AHLer for life (because he doesn't appear to have the skillset or mental makeup to be a bottom 6er - he's top 6 or bust).

RF4L


Fri Aug 8 2014 8:28 am EST

M11: I don't think they will give the C to anyone who isn't locked up on a long term deal. To me that means that it comes down to GIRARDI or McSSIAH. You can make a strong case for either of them. My only fear with the C is it having the same impact that it had on LEETCH. IMHO it hurt LEETCH's game. For whatever reason he carried it like a 1 ton boulder. I don't want to see something like that happen to McSSIAH. I'd rather see it go to GIRARDI if there is any question about pressure, etc. As for the two Alternates I would expect MSL to be named as 1 of them. MZA and STAAL are my top candidates for the other A.

Vic


Thu Aug 7 2014 11:33 pm EST

Honestly, MZA seems like a true leader to me, on the ice if not in the locker room. I would support a decision to give him the C, don't understand why he wouldn't be considered for an A.

Messier11


Thu Aug 7 2014 11:31 pm EST

Even without Miller and Lindberg, Hartford has Mueller, Bourque and Yogan?

Messier11


Thu Aug 7 2014 10:59 pm EST

Gord Clark said Danny Kristo playing center is something that could give Rangers more org.depth in middle. Interesting on several levels. Kristo could, IMO, almost easily replace the 17 or so goals Derek ( I hate shooting) Stepan provides, probably a good bunch of the assists as well. Kristo has awesome hands and makes some sweet plays. Maybe they don't want to pay Step $6m+ after this year. Dunno. But do know it makes some sense to try Kristo there, likely in Hartford. If Miller & Lindberg make the NYR, the Pack will be thin down the middle. And Kristo will have a heckuva time breaking through Zuc, Nash, St Louis, no to mention Duclair and Buchnevich coming on the right side. But Rangers aren't exactly thin in the middle either, with the aforementioned kids and Brassard, Moore signed for 3 yes, Lombardi, Stemniak, etc. So idk. I do know Kristo was a net even on a mediocre team not some massive defensive liability like the internets often say. And his creativity could surge with some more open ice. But rangers could also be looking to market him as a center for a deal down the road. Again unknown but interesting.....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Aug 7 2014 9:18 pm EST

http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/what_forward_prospect_could_make_the_rangers_this_season/16992550

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 7 2014 8:21 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello says that the Rangers have many options to replace Ryan Callahan as captain and says that he has faith in Ryan McDonagh to handle the role.(Nettavisen) Zuccarello points out that McDonagh is signed long-term and that he is already one of the Rangers leaders on the ice. (Nettavisen) McDonagh has been supported by Rick Nash and Marc Messier. McDonagh has said that he thinks he is ready for the role. He mentions Marc Staal and Dan Girardi as well as players who have been on the Rangers for a long time. (Nettavisen) Zuccarello said that he doubts he will get the “C” and doesn’t think he will end up with an “A” on his jersey either. (Nettavisen)

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 7 2014 2:48 pm EST

TD: Yeah, I do. They left off some very good OHL based players, including the league's top scorer. There's lots of controversy here when it comes to unsuccessful Canadian WJC entries because the feeling is there's pressure to have representation from all 3 leagues (Quebec, Ontario and the western circuit), at the expense of overall effectiveness. It helps Canada none, by the way, when year after year after year, 2 or more of our teenagers are playing in the NHL (last year, for example, no Nate McKinnon or Morgan Reilly).

RF4L


Thu Aug 7 2014 8:43 am EST

RF4L - You really think it was skill? Canada to me seemed like they just couldn't get on the same page. I thought they were probably the most talented team in the tourney, but that they lacked the type of grinders they needed to wear down opponents like the Fins. I don't know. Just seemed like they weren't a cohesive unit. The US, on the other hand...that was pretty much a roster of grinders.

tdchi


Wed Aug 6 2014 6:40 pm EST

Step away from The Bong....... nice and slow now ........

mf


Wed Aug 6 2014 5:53 pm EST

MDZ is a weird player. He's young/immature, mistaken prone & too slight to intimidate anybody ... but he has thrown some wicked (border-line dirty) hits/elbows which gives him a little space out there. Sometimes I think he has the potential to be really good/solid... but he'll probably more likely be making your sandwich at subway in 6 or 7 months.

hipcheck


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:27 pm EST

Eye foreskin? Is that something that folks are born with up in Canada? LOL!

Bob


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:31 pm EST

Geesh. Damn spell check. For skill not foreskin. Lol.

RF4L


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:31 pm EST

TD: I think if Duclair has a good camp and first half equal to last year he stands a good chance at making it. The biggest issue with Canada's team last year was a lack of front end skill. Suspect management has their eye foreskin this time around.

RF4L


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:26 pm EST

Five: The Rangers haven't been well represented ever regardless of position on Canada's WJC entry. Staal played twice. No one since. I think Nigel Dawes was the last forward. Yikes.

RF4L


Wed Aug 6 2014 2:50 pm EST

I wonder who the last Ranger prospect to play for the Canadian WJC team would be? I know we've had Americans, including some recent ones, but can't think of any prospects we had good enough to make Team Canada.

Fivehole


Wed Aug 6 2014 8:37 am EST

Ola - IMO, DUCLAIR'S invite to team and that goal are two great signs for the Rangers after the end of his season concussion last spring...was a lot of talk about the seriousness of it and it was bad enough that it kept him out of the QMJHL playoffs...he's got a tough battle to win a spot on that team...I'd say at least 10 of the forward spots are already locked up...but that goal is definitely a good start at getting picked.

tdchi


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:16 am EST

(see Rhet's gif for Dukes goal)

Ola


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:15 am EST

I am going to watch Canada's game tonight and come back with some comments about Duclair. But that is an absolutely SICK goal by him. I am really glad for him, its always tough to make the Canadian WJCs team but what an awsome goal he scored that gotta have opened up some eyes. HALLELUJA HOCKEY IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ola


Wed Aug 6 2014 4:13 am EST

tdchi- Agreed on Skjei. He has decent skill, moves well and has good size. Very safe pick to at least come close to push for a spot in the NHL. And when it comes to playing D, the most important thing is really to be able to do those small things shift after shift, and who knows how good Skjei really can become if he puts everything together and keeps growing for a long time. BUT from an objective point of view, we can hardly be that excited about him. There has been talk about letting Staal go because we got Skjei comign up etc., that is taking Skjei's odds of becoming a good top 4 D waaaay to far.

Ola


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:49 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/5/5973217/anthony-duclar-canada-juniors-goal-GIF

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 6 2014 3:34 am EST

"There's been no discussion at all, but I did get a call from [assistant GM Jeff Gorton] early in the off-season telling me that they were working on their arbitration cases, so not to interpret it as a sign of disrespect toward Marc," said agent Paul Krepelka. "I expect that we will be talking at some point before training camp. Marc's objective is to sign a long-term deal with the Rangers, and he would like to get it done before the season starts. That hasn't changed. But we'll see." He has one year remaining on his current deal that carries a $3.975 million cap hit. Staal doesn't put up many points, but he's a solid top-four defender with shutdown ability.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:52 pm EST

Vic - True...NTM, Brady SKJEI, who is a very good skater and a lefty, is probably going to be coming down the pike next season. And while I was left unimpressed by him at both the WJC and the frozen four, all I hear from the Rangers is how smitten they are with him...and then there's a plethora of other lefties in the system that could amount to something...on the lesser level, we could see some of Mat BODIE and more of Conor ALLEN next year...both quick, both more defensively aware...In short, yeah, the boat has sailed on MDZ's career in blue. Hope he fails with the Flyers.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:40 pm EST

MDZ a Flyer...

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:36 pm EST

TD: As much as I liked MDZ I know it would never work with AV. MDZ's biggest weakness is his skating. He is just too slow. If this team is going to continue to be built around speed and quickness MDZ would never fit here. Hopefully the Rangers will be blowing by him in that ugly orange and black uniform next year.

Vic


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:26 pm EST

It doesn't matter if you or any one NHL GM (Snow or otherwise) wouldn't sign MDZ to a one-way. He could have probably signed in the KHL to a 2 mill deal, no way he's going to risk getting stuck in some po-dunk town making 65k

Messier11


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:24 pm EST

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=727870...Obviously, when I was talking about NHL GM, I wasn't considering RON HEXTALL!!! :)

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:22 pm EST

But, the FLYERS have indeed signed DEL ZERO to a 1 year 1.3 MILL contract....Can't wish him luck there...!!

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:02 pm EST

TDCHI - If I was an NHL GM, no way I'd give him a one way contract...His mental game is THAT bad...His attitude wasn't much better..Nor is his speed.....There's no way the kid can be counted on for anything right now...He needs to rebuild his entire game and show his new team....Can he do it fast enough in camp? I don't know.... Maybe he just gets a PTC if he can't stomach a two way?...or maybe Europe/Russia is best for him for a year or two,,,

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 6:02 pm EST

have to think the way it went that Vigneault has a problem with MDZ, wouldn't take him on the lineup even if we had the hole to fill.

Messier11


Tue Aug 5 2014 5:46 pm EST

Hospo - No way he's going two-way. That's probably the hangup. Frankly, I wish the Rangers would give him another chance. The kid had SUCH talent...and actually, he was pretty physical for his size...just rocks for brains...kid could be a 50-point scorer in the NHL if he pulls it all together...though John MOORE is the safer bet, I was always a little disappointed MDZ didn't get a little more of a chance in AV's system. He's one of the guys I could see having a phenomenal 2014-15.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 5:38 pm EST

MDZ is not going to sign a two-way. If he doesn't get a starting position, he will sign in Europe.

Messier11


Tue Aug 5 2014 4:48 pm EST

PUCKYOU - Did Philly sign Del Zero?The most recent rumblings I heard were Dallas....He's worth a shot for most teams, if he's willing to start low (i.e., minors)..

Hospo


Tue Aug 5 2014 2:38 pm EST

Last year NYR said they might stream Traverse, then opted to upload hightlight packages to their site at night the next day. Some packages 8-10 minutes, others were just the goals. Starts Sept 12th.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 5 2014 1:51 pm EST

David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod Tough news for Flyers fans, as team announces Timonen has been diagnosed with blood clots in his lower right leg & in both lungs Delzotto could get lucky here

puckyou


Tue Aug 5 2014 11:56 am EST

TD: Yes, MSG aired all the Ranger TCT games 3 falls ago (2 falls ago it was washed out due to the lockout and then last fall, nothing on MSG). It was great to watch, although those 2 idiots Rosen and Shitiletti were absolutely dreadful, yapping and yammering at their annoying best and oftentimes during the actual play. The latter drove me nuts because I wasn't viewing to hear them, I was viewing to watch the kids and some of those kids I knew little about. Worse, for about 1/2 the team I didn't know who was who and I'd see something impressive and not get who it was because of those 2 babbling on about nothing. It almost made me turn it off. One of the worse interviews I've ever heard they were guilty of during one of the games - they brought up Marc Staal's father to the booth and feigned and fawned all over him like lovestruck pre-teen girls over the latest teeny-bopper idol. Staal senior must have walked away shaking his head at those idiots when it was done.

RF4L


Tue Aug 5 2014 10:41 am EST

RF4L - Some of the games were, just not by the Rangers. They did the full tourney a couple years back, but said screw it. I know a few fans(including myself) sent then some critical comments saying a company like MSG should be able to layout for the two interns and sparse amount of video equipment needed to do a live web-stream broadcast. Never got a response. I'm trying to remember the teams that did live stream...one of them was the Sabres...and that might have had something to do with it...anyway, here's to hoping they're broadcast somewhere online...have they even announced whether there's going to be a Traverse City? I know there was some question about it a few years back.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 9:14 am EST

RF4L- It would be awsome if they were broadcasted, especially since we got so little from the prospect camp, but I am not that hopeful. We only got games when they had those really good teams and we kind of were rebuilding...

Ola


Tue Aug 5 2014 8:55 am EST

RR-The traverse tourney wasn't broadcast ladt year was it? Did you see any games in person? I'm hoping some are on tv this year...

RF4L


Tue Aug 5 2014 7:41 am EST

Not that it's much of a surprise with the guys Team USA has in camp, but third-rounder Keegan IVERSON was cut today...HALVERSON remains and, I would say, has a very good chance of making the team...hell, given that Thatcher DEMKO is the other odds-on favorite, I'd say he's got a good chance to be starter.

tdchi


Tue Aug 5 2014 12:06 am EST

Always thought Irbe was cool, not even sure why I liked him. Think cause he reminded me of Villemure.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Aug 5 2014 12:02 am EST

I know we've already got a great goaltending coach, but Ive always loved Irbe

Messier11


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:30 pm EST

Brian Trottier brings his box of crayons to Buffalo. LOL http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=458708

NYStranger


Mon Aug 4 2014 5:37 pm EST

FWIW, Traverse to me these last few years signifies the start of the season. we're a playoff team now, as opposed to the dark years, so all that matters is how rosters look after the trade deadline. That's the team going to war. Until then, every step along the way, determinations get made, starting at Traverse. The kids who excel there should get a slightly longer look, while some play themselves out of contention. Last year, Kristo, Fast, Lindberg and Allen really stood out as I remember it. I couldn't believe how good Kristo looked, and he & Lindberg got on a roll and stayed there the rest of the tourney. Anyhow, Traverse, camp, Blue/White game pre-season, it all counts very much IMO. So 5 weeks and a few days. As much as I'd love to watch games tonight, those guys need the rest, especially Hank, who's already training. So are Brassard, MSL & Zuc, who was last seen running up & down step as in some euro stadium somewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 4 2014 5:33 pm EST

mf - I generally reserve judgment on players until I see them in a game...and I'm really hoping IVERSON is selected by the US for that reason...though I think he's a bit of a longshot in that regards...I will say there are some warning signs for me...namely that the kid is a beast playing junior hockey...it's good to read someone thinks he has good vision...I always wonder, though, when a kid is that big and doesn't exactly put up great numbers...I wonder if he's got the jump...and I could also be wrong, but it seems to me the WHL isn't the cream of the crop in the CHL...anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic. But I think he's a project, much like everyone else the Rangers have drafted in the past two or three years.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 5:17 pm EST

TD: Was reading up on Keegan Iverson 4-5 days ago, IMO this kid was a great find. Listed @ 6', 216 LBS, RHS RW, 18 y/o, who plays a physical game and goes where he wants to on the ice,. (read: corners & in front of the net). He had good #'s last year 67gp,22g,20,helpers, 42pts & 70 PIM's..... The kid says that he wants to play like Iginla, (no problem there) and, he's not afraid to drop the mits... I wish he was ready for the big club.........http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=153233 ........ http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/keegan-iverson/...........http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2014/6/12/5802518/keegan-iversons-unusual-path-to-the-nhl-draft

mf


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:54 pm EST

RF4L - yeah, I'm going almost exclusively off what I saw in the WJC last year. Eichel looked a lot better than McDavid, IMO, who really didn't stand out too much to me...but I wouldn't be surprised if we have a repeat of the HALL/SEGUIN draft, where no one really knows until the name is called out...on Sather not getting a first-rounder...I wouldn't make that call yet...The way I see it is there are two pieces of the Rangers that could be going on the market before the draft...the first obvious one is STAAL, who would certainly fetch a first rounder...I expect him to be signed...and when he is, I think the other guy who ends up on the block is NASH...if he somehow pulls his head from his ass and lights it up this year AND in the post season, maybe they keep him...but IMO, this is his last year as a Ranger...They're going to need to clear cap space even with MSL possibly coming off the books...and unless Nash shows he can be the player they overpaid to get, I see him riding the train out of town...and that is a move I could see bringing us a top-15 pick.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:13 pm EST

And for the record, I don't expect Sather to be chasing a first rounder next June, not unless the bottom falls out this year for this club and Sather is a seller at the deadline.

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:12 pm EST

TD: Right now I'd prefer McDavid. That said, I get the allure of Eichel. It will be interesting to watch their progress - right now they are 1 and 2, but more close than many realize. Too bad Eichel elected the US college route - in the CHL it would have been easier to gauge their progress.

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 4:07 pm EST

Traverse tourney starts Sept 12.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Aug 4 2014 2:12 pm EST

RF4L - Not yet at least...I'm hoping Sather understands that three years without a first rounder will put a serious kink in the Rangers' development program. Wipe out first rounders for one year...fine...two...that's tough...but three? He's got to be on that board next year. If he's not, we're in for some seriously tough times as a team...I like some of these college kids they signed as UFAs...but they're long shots...the reality is, they're like lottery tickets and the draft is like full-time employment...if you're looking to make money, you get a job, you don't keep playing the lottery every day...But I digress...That Eichel kid. Drafting him would a game-changer for the Rangers. Two years of no first rounder would quickly be forgotten.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:50 pm EST

And, only becuase it's a slow day..Dan Boyle will be #22.....GLASS will be #15 (I hope I learn to like him like old favorites suchs as Jim Nielson and Darren Langdon)...Stemp will be 12 ...and FAST #91

Hospo


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:46 pm EST

TDCHI - And that would leave your two best FO guys (Moore and Lombardi) on the 4th line while the other three get beat like rented mules..I just don't see it being anything than Step-Brass-Lombardi-Moore down the middle..and with Miller perhaps battling Stemp for a 2nd/3rd W or Fast for a 4th W...If he doesn't make it, it will only be his fault.

Hospo


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:33 pm EST

Hospo - I think the top two are locked in, as you say...the top 3? There could be space up there for MILLER. My question becomes does AV try to get back what he had with the Zucc-Brass line and does he do that by shifting things up on the first line? Moving Kreider to that left flank would be interesting. I think he'd fit good there...question then becomes who slides over to the left, Nash or MSL? And if the answer is neither...and HAGELIN jumps up to Kreider's spot, then who plays third-string RW? My thinking is that Lombardi is bound for fourth line and that third-line center slot is going to either go to MILLER or MOORE...I wouldn't be surprised to see JT grab that spot and appear between Stempniak and Hags...leave fourth line with Lombardi-Moore-Glass and first line with MSL on the left side...I don't want to say Mills is a shoe-in, but I'd really be surprised if he doesn't make the team out of camp...can't read those comments Rhet0ric posted and think otherwise, IMO...FAST, OTOH, I just don't see it happening for the kid out of camp. But if Stempniak doesn't work out, I could see Fast stepping in...comparing what I've seen in Hartford with what he's done so far in the NHL...it seems to me a confidence thing. The kid is filled with it in Hartford. Like I said, he stands out pretty well...but in New York, his game seems much more reserved. I think once he gets his legs under him, we're going to see a player step in like HAGELIN did a few years back...just I doubt it happens until there's an injury call up.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:21 pm EST

TD: Eichel is next June...no first rounder for the Rangers.

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:11 pm EST

Oh here's a link to the roster: http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/2014njecroster

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 1:10 pm EST

RF4L - Keegan IVERSON is the only other Ranger prospect I know of on the team..MANTHA wasn't on the list...he'd easily be the largest defensman on that team though...but not the largest forward. US has a some BIG dudes playing up front. Thought Iverson was the largest at 6'0 and 216...but they got this man-beast named McCarron...6'5 and 238 pounds. Playing forward...get him on a line with Hudson Fasching, who was throwing around people at last year's tourney and John Hayden...that'd be a hell of a line to go against...Funny, I look at this roster and I see more than a dozen guys I wanted the Rangers to draft/acquire...oh well...maybe Sather can pull some strings to get EICHEL in a couple years.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 12:25 pm EST

Not sure if anyone has seen this but something very cool from across the pond. The Premiership side Portsmouth has introduced a team kit that has the names of 1,400 Portsmouth WWII vets blended into the fabric of the jersey. This would be exceptionally cool for one of the NY teams to do for 9/11 commemorations: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28642187

PatrickDiv


Mon Aug 4 2014 12:19 pm EST

TDCHI _ They can impress all they want but I doubt they supplant ANY of Kreider, Nash. MZA, Stemp, St. Louis and Haglein in the top 3 lines or beat out Moore or Glass 4th..UNLESS there are injuries...Meaning they are likely competing for one final spot at theonset..But again, ALL will be important as the season moves along and injuries hit

Hospo


Mon Aug 4 2014 11:16 am EST

TD: Oh....any other Ranger prospects there? Like Mantha and/or Nanne?

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:46 am EST

https://sports.vice.com/article/the-long-loneliness-of-the-nhl-offseason?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=realclearpolitics&utm_campaign=blog

JFC31


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:39 am EST

RF4L - It's the evaluation camp in Lake Placid. I'm not sure what international teams are playing in it. US has two or three squads though.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:34 am EST

Td. What tournament is being referred to there?

RF4L


Mon Aug 4 2014 10:20 am EST

On FAST - there were two guys who always stood out at the Pack games that I saw last year. One was MILLER and the other was FAST. It was no surprise to me that the Rangers called on both of them during the playoff run...I would say the only "kid" who makes the team this year will be Mills...though I don't think Fast needs much more seasoning, I just don't see a place for him on the team with its lack of size...another thing...if you watch the footage of Fast and Miller from the start of the season and compare it to the playoffs...you get an idea for how far both came in one short year...My take on Miller is well documented...and if he doesn't have a breakout year statistically, I think we'll see it on the ice...he's the most versatile of the Ranger prospects, since I think he can be an asset either in a fourth-line role or, as someone suggested, in the role POULIOT was in last year...Fast, OTOH, I don't think you keep him in New York unless you can get him second or third-line minutes. We shall see. I wouldn't be surprised, though, to see both Fast and Miller impress from the get-go. Those kids got some serious action in the playoffs...that's invaluable experience.

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 9:58 am EST

HALVERSON shines against the Fins - "The USA Blue goaltending duo of Brendan Burke (Scottsdale, Ariz.) and Brandon Halverson (Traverse City, Mich.) combined for a .947 save percentage. Halverson was perfect in the first 30:29 of the game, stopping all eight shots. Burke finished the game strong with 10 saves on 11 shots."

tdchi


Mon Aug 4 2014 3:40 am EST

mf- We also must only look at contracts from a "portion of the cap" perspective. Chris Drury got 14 per cent of our cap during the 07-08 season. 14 per cent of the cap this year is 9.7m per. For a few years, everyone signed cap circumventing deals, and that has fooled many as to what the market value for a player really is. Weber, Sutter, Parise and co are making 11-12m per year, but has a much lower cap hit. Not to talk about the top guys, but the group under them, they will get around 14 per cent of the cap on the market. The Parise's. The Suters. And I think Subban is above them, he has won a Norris. 10.5m per?

Ola


Mon Aug 4 2014 3:34 am EST

mf- The thing is, all teams can afford a 11m player on their roster. Maybe not right away, but if they got some time to plan for it they would and could. Guys like Doughty, Malkin and co are just that important. And there are 30 teams in this league. 30. We can't look at contractas from a perspective "this would be a OK amount to pay a guy if you want to compete for a cup and have a good cap sitaution", because all teams are -- forced -- to abandon that thought as soon as someone hits the market. A player that "should" be paid 3m gets 5.5m. Subban gets 10+m per if he hits the market, I would bet my right arm on that. He is leaving money on the table to stay in MTL.

Ola


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:12 pm EST

Michael Del Zotto’s reputation around the NHL is in “tatters” following his time in Nashville. (NY Post) The Predators didn’t qualify Del Zotto and he became a UFA after GM David Poile said that he wasn’t a fit. Larry Brooks says that this is probably a good time to buy low on Del Zotto and he can’t believe that the Islanders aren’t “all over this.” (NY Post) He is said to be gaining a reputation of someone who is difficult to coach. (The Hockey News) Del Zotto is living with Tyler Seguin this summer and working out with Matt Nichol who says that Del Zotto is the first guy in the gym every morning and working hard. (The Hockey News) Dallas makes sense as a team for Del Zotto because of his relationship with Seguin and their need for a young offensive defenseman. (The Hockey News) He says that he is working hard this summer to prove everyone wrong after last season. (The Hockey News)

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 3 2014 4:02 pm EST

IMO, $9 mill per is 1st line center money, NOT PK Subban money at this stage of his career. Maybe next contract.. The guy said he wants to be a Hab for life, well does he want management to have enough $$$ to build a Stanley Cup a competitor?? I wouldn't have paid him that amount...... As for Staal, no problem paying him more than MCD, he's older, and been here longer... There's a lot to ponder, wonder if Staal's side dropped a $number$ they're looking for.......

mf


Sun Aug 3 2014 2:19 pm EST

Ranger47: By the time McD comes up for a new contract the cap will be close to or over 100 million. If not contracts will be shrunk along with the cap. Suban money will be the norm for number 1-2 D men.

Wildcard


Sun Aug 3 2014 2:18 pm EST

Boyle only works with a Staal-type player to cover for his forays into the O-zone. Boyle without Staal (or an adequately defensive replacement, which would cost more than what we'd get in return for Staal), that's a liability.

Messier11


Sun Aug 3 2014 1:42 pm EST

IMHO Sather may be best off by waiting to see what Dan Boyle beings to the team (or not). If he is stellar on 2nd pair D on the right side then you may consider replacing Stall beyond this season. If not, then signing Staal becomes more critical to the long-term success of the D. Can't see letting him go this year (because this is a key Cup year run) unless/until you have a replacement identified from (probably) within the system. That said, you cannot compare what he will get paid with what McD is currently paid - McD will earn a LOT more than either Staal or Girardi when his next contract comes due....hopefully not Subban money or we may lose him due to the cap!

Ranger47


Sun Aug 3 2014 1:21 pm EST

BTW, I do concur with LB on his lamenting that things when it comes to contract negotiations, seem to always drag on with Sather. It's more definitely a pattern that isn't, IMO, a coincidence. I believe it's Sather's arrogance. He's got two major cogs for his team (Staal and MZA) heading for UFA next summer with a 3rd who, if he shows last year wasn't a fluke, will also leave a hole on the team (Talbot) if goes without fetching anything back.

RF4L


Sun Aug 3 2014 1:07 pm EST

I've said it before and will say it again: IMO, if the Rangers want Staal long term, they should indeed attempt to lock him up now, rather than wait. Doing the latter is too risky in that he may go to UFA and then bolt for nothing. There's not enough organizational depth to allow that to happen.

RF4L


Sun Aug 3 2014 12:48 pm EST

JFC's point is key. You do nothing to weaken the D when you're going for a Cup. Staal can be signed, the can essentially kicked down the road. But we don't know the other options in front of Sather, nor what some kids like John Moore, Connor Allen and Brady Skjei are going to be fully capable of in 1-2-3 years.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:31 am EST

Hope all are having a fun and healthy summer. haven't been on much lately. I say trade staal. His brain is mush. Th rangers could get a real good player for him or good draft picks for next years loaded draft. Trade the guy. One more hit and he wont be worth anything. Plus no way he should get more money than McD

KIS


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:15 am EST

My concern is from a hockey perspective. Signing Staal is an easy deal to make. Plenty of comps, like Girardi, and he & his agent said flat out they want to do a long term deal here. But along with Nash & Girardi, that's saying these guys are going to remain our core for 4-5 years, we're going to win or lose with them. And I see no downside to waiting, getting a better sense of where the organizations kids are at. Don't forget, Stepan is UFA next year. Inking Zuc long term is priority one IMO. but the next year or two, Stamkos is up, Weber may come available, Ovechkin might well hit the block (I don't see him taking to Barry Trots hockey well at all; Trotz hiring could well be a harbinger). Anyway, odds are Staal gets his deal, and if NYR make any moves it'll come 2-3 years from now. All these NMCs mean bubkus. If the team doesn't want them they'll move.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 3 2014 11:05 am EST

We already allow 30+ attempts on Hank on average. Imagine what that'd be without Staal

Messier11


Sun Aug 3 2014 10:55 am EST

Not a lot of cap space to play with re: Staal. If he took 5.5 (big IF) that would bump 1.6mm in cap room I believe- but he clearly could get more as a FA. Now, does Slats play it out to the deadline, like Girardi/Cally? He still has MSL and MZA facing free agency after next season-although Marty probably won't go anywhere, as he has been trying to arrive here for quite some time. Hopefully MZA gets an extension after Jan 1.. Staal would demand a decent price on the trading block, maybe be able to get a good pick in next years draft. Lots of possibilities. Brooks a shill for player agents once again.

puckyou


Sun Aug 3 2014 10:34 am EST

Agree with everything you said JFC. Id just wait until the new year to put anything to paper. Im nervous about some of these guys long term. In Staal, Nash & Girardi alone youre talking almost $20m combined, over 1/4 of total cap space. Id just be cautious is all.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Aug 3 2014 10:10 am EST

RR -- Staal played 72 games this past season and the playoffs....he's pretty much put the injury worries to rest AFAIAC. Brooks is correct in that by the time training camp ends and we see ALL of the defenseman in this organization and how they stack up, there's really no reason for Sather to not have a fairly definitive idea of whether or not he's going to be willing to/be able to keep Staal. A few convos with his agent and a look at the contracts being given out to lesser d-men should make it pretty clear what it will take to sign Staal. If that's not what Sather wants Staal's contract to look like, then trade him....as long as he feels that the D will not be less than what it was. That is KEY....this team can't have a letdown in keeping the puck out of the net...any significant GA increase will crush this team.

JFC31


Sat Aug 2 2014 11:42 pm EST

Brooks pimpin' for players again, nothing new there. It's where his bread is buttered, certainly not from the tightasses at MSG dishing him info. But please..... The SOS , 'Staal must get a Girardi contract', and get it now, blah blah. Rangers can wait almost a full calendar year and still have an excellent shot at re-upping Marc. How's about seeing if the guy can make it through a full year healthy before cluttering up the ledger sheet with another big commitment? Or maybe (unlikely but ya never know) they'll look to trade Staal during the year, which is much easier as a UFA to be than with a burdensome multi-year deal. Because if Staal sings & geTs hurt again he's near impossible to move. Brooks inferring its a slam dunk when its not is when it gets close to shameful whoring. There are concerns with Staal, major ones. I probably do so, but I also want to see how this year looks for any number of players, including some big ones with some big contracts, like No. 61. The Rangers may need the flexibility. And I don't need the b.s. from Ole Larry when he could've reported something else factual regarding the team ( like Carcillo, for instance).

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 2 2014 11:12 pm EST

and the answer is, "GOMEZ" part deux!

mf


Sat Aug 2 2014 10:49 pm EST

Montreal is officially the dumbest organization in the NHL. What the heck happened between Friday and today that they dropped their pants and gave PK Subban a blank check? The Arbitration hearing must have been even worse than what was initially reported. People were saying that Shea Weber was grossly overpaid? His contract now looks like a steal when compared to this monstrosity.

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 2 2014 10:18 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/08/02/rangers-contract-talks-staal-ed-with-defenseman/

Messier11


Sat Aug 2 2014 7:35 pm EST

I agree with HOSPO...Miller will be fine on the 4th line to start. This coach plays the 4th line.

Bob


Sat Aug 2 2014 5:47 pm EST

RABID - I don't see FAST winning that spot either but he will have the opportunity...IMWO MILLER and STEMP will beat him out for TOP 12..ALso, IMWO, Lindberg doesn't have a shot to beat out Lombardi or Moore at C......RANGER47 - MILLER on the RANGERS 4th line is the PERFECT spot for him...Decent time...Little pressure..Able to use his physical abilities to hit and skate and let MOORE do the thinking...It will get him ready to move up to the top lines when injuries hit, and they will...

Hospo


Sat Aug 2 2014 5:46 pm EST

Rabid- I wouldn't bet agains you on Fast. But, I think he has some potential to have a big summer. He has been injured a ton the last two seasons, a broken leg, a knee that constantly got dislocated, a shoulder and then he also had flu problems for a couple of months .I just don't think he has moved as well as he should do at this point of his career. As a kid he was a real speedster. Where is that speed now? After scouting him in Sweden, Clarke said that he was as good a skater as Hagelin, I saw a ton of him in Sweden and he skated really really well before breaking his leg. Now that jump isn't there.

Ola


Sat Aug 2 2014 3:46 pm EST

Hospo, I don't see Fast cracking the top dozen or so forwards, not with two pretty good NHLers in Stempniak & Lombardi in the mix. Could be totally wrong, people need to PERFORM. And its a mish mash lineup right now. To try to make it all fit, the one thing I'd do is swivel St Louis between two spots, 3rd line RW and into top 6 with Nash & Step. Let him flip-flop with Stempniak depending who's going. And MSL showed some chemistry with Step last year. So totally preliminary and subject to change until we see more from the newer people, I'd stackem up as follows; kreider-Brassard-Ziccarello, St Louis-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Lombardi (Miller, Carcillo). Could be incredibly off, depending what AV decides....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 2 2014 2:55 pm EST

Miller, judging from those playoffs games

Messier11


Sat Aug 2 2014 2:54 pm EST

Vic, I hear ya. Puliot was 2nd in hits on team. Who besides Kreider & Glass will do that? IDK. another reason to get Carcillo signed IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Aug 2 2014 2:43 pm EST

12:00 on this fourth is no setback for Miller, but I am hoping he can make that 2nd/3rd line slot

Messier11


Sat Aug 2 2014 2:20 pm EST

IMHO, if they end up playing Miller as a 4th line wing he would be better served with 1st line time on the Wolfpack until he's ready to fill a top 9 forward spot.

Ranger47


Sat Aug 2 2014 2:17 pm EST

Montreal 4th line next season is Prust/Malhotra/Weise

Messier11


Sat Aug 2 2014 2:02 pm EST

$9MM for Subban for 8 years? Wowzer.

Bob


Sat Aug 2 2014 1:48 pm EST

Insane: "After months of negotiations and speculation and a salary arbitration hearing, P.K. Subban is going to be a long-term Montreal Canadien. The restricted free agent defenceman agreed to terms on a eight-year, $72 million contract with the team on Saturday, avoiding a salary arbitration ruling. Subban's average annual value is $9 million" .. If PK is worth $9mil, how much is Ryan McDonagh is worth? We got a steal there. So for everyone who complains how much Nash is overpaid, should also consider how much MCD is underpaid by...

andrei


Sat Aug 2 2014 1:22 pm EST

RR: I suspect that the Rangers have a very difficult time replacing POULIOT. In fact that issue may be one of the factors in how well or poorly they do this season. POULIOT brought much more then the numbers imply. He was a critical part of the chemistry that his line had. Remember, all three struggled before they were put together and all three struggled when AV broke them up. We can play with lineups on paper all we want. So can the organization for that matter. It remains to be seen if any of it actually works.

Vic


Sat Aug 2 2014 1:08 pm EST

RABID - Still don't see as you do.....I see the center spot as Mess11 just put it with little chance of Lindberg making an impact early on...As for JT MILLER? Fighting STEMP and FAST for a 2nd line and 4th line W spot...I still like the sounds of a Glass-Moore-Miller line

Hospo


Sat Aug 2 2014 11:24 am EST

Centers = Stepan>Brassard>Lombardi>Moore

Messier11


Sat Aug 2 2014 12:31 am EST

Question I wonder about is where do they see Miller playing? LW or center? I see people elsewhere suggest JT can slot into Puliot's old spot, how hard can it be to replace 15 goals and 30-odd pts? Maybe not as easy as some think. I've said before I'd put Kreider with Brass & Zuc, think they'd be fantastic.Get as close to a true No. 1 unit as you can. And I don't think there was any doubt they were the most consistent line last year. I laugh when I see people refer to them as a 3rd unit. Miller on LW might just work with Stephan & Nash...... or he might not. Hmmm.. But barring a big deal before camp, looks like this is the team thru November at least. Could see Carcillo getting an invite, though I think he earned a contract, and definitely don't want to see him go to Washington, one team supposedly sniffing around him. So if JT is getting a good look and makes it, it appears he, Stemp, Lombardi and Lindberg will fight it out for 3 starting spots; 2nd line LW, 3rd line center, and 4th/wing with Moore & Glass. 2 reserves and that's it, that's the team. That's any surprises not withstanding. I doubt the Mueller or Bourque types get anywhere near the reps in camp to break thru. Kristo could & should force them to take a harder look, Fast probably gets a thorough camp too. Just babbling but problem I see is SOS, lines don't fit, the Sather trademark. If you forcefit them, you wind up with some smallish lines or guys playing out of position, etc. So AVs going to have to work through it.if they just plop Stempniak in Puliot's LW spot, some pieces fall in place. Except that he hasn't played there much at all hat I could find. Really not a big adjustment at all for a versatile guy like him, and as a righty shot he could have a revival in the goal scoring dept. He had 27 the year he was getting lots of PP time, probably not a coincidence.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 1 2014 10:26 pm EST

I sure hope Miller will be more impressive this fall that either Chris Bourque or Chris Mueller....

RF4L


Fri Aug 1 2014 8:47 pm EST

Per Sportsnet.... The Montreal Canadiens and restricted free agent P.K. Subban went to salary arbitration on Friday after the two sides were unable to strike a deal by the 9 a.m. ET deadline. Subban was seeking an $8.5 million salary for the upcoming season while the Canadiens offered $5.25 million. He is coming off a two-year, $5.75 million contract. "It's been an education process for me," Subban told Sportsnet after the hearing. The arbitrator has 48 hours to make a ruling but the two sides can continue negotiating. However, Subban's agent, Don Meehan, said there are no plans to continue contract talks.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 1 2014 8:42 pm EST

According to a report from Irfaan Gaffar of Sportsnet Pacific, the New York Rangers appear to be closing in on a potential replacement for their vacant assistant/video coach position. Darryl Williams is expected to fill a similar role that was once occupied by Dan Lacroix, and also has some previous experience under a Vigneault operated ship. Williams worked under Vigneault from 2008-2013, and just recently left the Vancouver Canucks to pursue 'another opportunity'.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 1 2014 5:57 pm EST

Falk back with the Wild.

Messier11


Fri Aug 1 2014 5:38 pm EST

Jeff Gorton says that the Rangers organization has “made it clear” to JT Miller what kind of opportunity he has in front of him this season. (Tal Pinchevsky) Glen Sather said at the draft that they expect Miller to “come to play” this year. Sather said that Miller is “young, fits into the price range and will develop into a very good hockey player.” He adds that Miller showed a lot of growth this past season. It’s been said before that the Rangers are counting on Miller to take a step this coming season. Miller is “more than ready” to be an NHLer and should be able to beat out Chris Bourque or Chris Mueller for a roster spot. (The Hockey News)

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 1 2014 5:37 pm EST

Brian Leetch has decided not to return to the NHL’s Department of Player Safety. (Larry Brooks) Leetch joined the Department of Player Safety last year under Brendan Shanahan but Shanahan left that position to become President of the Toronto Maple Leafs. He said during the season that he was happy with his position with the league.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 1 2014 5:14 pm EST

WIOSA -- we actually are in agreement regarding Dolan....I think he is dying to win the Cup....that probably means more to him right now than the money....he's got enough $$ to last several lifetimes. I just disagree with the premis that he doesn't care about the money that the team makes....he does, despite the fact that he's wealthy.

JFC31


Fri Aug 1 2014 4:39 pm EST

Right on Bob. Combine real fans not being in the building, and that building being remodeled in a 'flatter' scheme (not an architect here) to allow for more luxury boxes while removing fans from sitting on top of the action, its why teams like the Giants, Jets and Yankees really don't have a home field advantage anymore. In the Yanks case the lower bowl is just empty theyre so expensive, $750 for a ballgame. In the Rangers case, they lost one of the great home advantages in all of sports.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 1 2014 4:26 pm EST

Bob soooo true. The cap was never about helping the fans. It was always about helping the owners, under the guise of putting a fair product on the ice. The argument that only teams with money can put out a winning team - therefore "ruining" the sport was shot down with one look at the Rangers. We are one of the richest teams in the NHL are we winning cups a plenty here? It is not only a ruse, it is so anti capitalistic it reeks. Can you imagine telling any of these owners in their corporate world they Cannot spend more money than X and they are not allowed to pay their CEOs more than X ? Tell them youre leveling the playing field on Wall Street and you'll have screams of "socialism!!!" coming from the boxes. This was NEVER for the fans or the sport. Agree with you there.

WIOSA


Fri Aug 1 2014 4:15 pm EST

It used to be that the Rangers lost money without any playoff revenue. No more. Since the Cap was implemented they make money hand over fist. Despite that, they have made the garden virtually unaffordable for families and true fans and thereby killed the atmosphere there with corporate firms owning most of the seats. The Yankees have followed suit. It is too bad. The cap was supposed to mitigate ticket prices. Another example of Bettman being full of crap. The clubs have doubled UP on the price of tickets despite lower costs and more corporate money coming in.

Bob


Fri Aug 1 2014 4:00 pm EST

For over 1/2 of the franchises in the NHL it's not about making money because they lose money year after year. A PO run for some however, can be the difference between breaking even vs losing money. Since the cap came in, has a single team won the cup that didn't spend close to the cap? Or even made the finals? Perhaps one or two, but it's not the norm. You gotta spend to win in other words (and obviously even that doesn't guarantee anything). There's a fine line between the goals of making money vs enjoying owning a winning club. To boot, teams like the Rangers are an anomaly in that the Rangers make money whether they put a winning product on the ice or not. Not many teams have that luxury, at least not in the NHL.

RF4L


Fri Aug 1 2014 2:47 pm EST

JFC, oh, agreed. I cannot say that money does not mean anything to them anymore. As you inferred they love money. I also agree that owning a franchise is like a game of monopoly to them, but like most people, they want to win...some it's no matter what the cost. Yes, they truly need to laud over other owners that "my club, is better than yours" agreed on that as well. Where we differ, but not by much, is the order of Money and Winning is in the scheme of things to these guys. When it comes to their sport franchises I think Winning is #1, Money is 2. You feel it's Money 1, andWwinning 2. We're not that far apart.

WIOSA


Fri Aug 1 2014 12:21 pm EST

FWIW, Anthony Duclair was invited to team Canada's WJC camp this summer.

RF4L


Fri Aug 1 2014 12:17 pm EST

WIOSA -- no doubt in my mind that Dolan wants to win the Cup. But, in the ownership fraternity, ego has no bounds....to them, owning a sports franchise is like playing a game of Monopoly against the other owners. They want bragging rights in every aspect of the game. They want to be seen as savvy business people.....a guy like Dolan loves the fact that the Rangers PO run contributed to the value of MSG and the franchise. Money does mean something to wealthy people, too. As Springstead once sang, "poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be King and the King ain't satisfied 'till he rules everything"

JFC31


Fri Aug 1 2014 10:07 am EST

As Herr Steinbrenner once said, 'you don't buy a sports franchise to make money, if you did, youre in trouble' (or something like that) and he's right. Yes the money made by MSG for the playoff run probably sweetened the pot for employees, (raises maybe?) but is not the huge profit one might think. It's nice, but not the goal. The goal is to win. I totally disagree with those who think the owners don't want to win. They do. Unfortunately for some teams that means I want to win by spending as little as possible. Those Owners burn me big time. I think James Dolan wanted to win the cup and was willing to pay for it. When Steinbrenner started out as owner,he thought that meant he was good enough to be Manager as well....took little time to put that to rest. When Dolan Sr started out as owner, he truly only wanted the Network-he really wasn't interested in the teams (Rangers, Knicks) and it showed. He tossed them to his son, who proceeded to do only god knows what. Either way I think James, like George, learned a lesson and truly likes the teams and takes pride in them. I think he wants to win.. Just MHO

WIOSA


Fri Aug 1 2014 10:07 am EST

Nemchinov was a great Ranger. Flatley as I remember gave us some pretty good hockey, think it was for only the one year. Bill Berg for me symbolizes a lot of what went wrong in the mid-late 90's. Nothing against him, a hard-working guy trying to stay in the league. But when he ends up on Wayne Gretzky's line, man, you've got problems.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 1 2014 7:03 am EST

If you want to kill Dolan there's no shortage of ammunition, Lord knows. The worst years in franchise history are on his watch, his mind-numbing loyalty to sather 2000-2008 (or so) utterly inexplicable. But if he gets slaughtered for that, he's got to get at least a tiny bit of credit when his team makes POs, IDK, 6 of last 7 yes, 2 ECF, SCF appearances. Or not. Whatever.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Aug 1 2014 2:29 am EST

Ahh Sergie Nemchinov......one of my all time favorite Rangers. All he did was bust his ass and win. They they put him between Pat Flatley and Bill Berg....then traded him cause he didn't score. Burned me up to see him with the Devils.

jnyr


Thu Jul 31 2014 11:44 pm EST

RR: Fuck little Jimmy Dolan and his multi-millions. Cable TV robber baron. Bottom line for me: HE HIRED GLEN SATHER.

Nick


Thu Jul 31 2014 10:50 pm EST

Landmark. Esther. They have assumed control lol.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 10:48 pm EST

RF, I don't know about you but the ONLY thing I want an owner to do is spend to the cap and get the hell out of the way of the hockey people so they can do their jobs. That's it, period. If you can show me somehow where Dolan doesn't do that, fine. its not like I have a posters of Jim Dolan on my wall. But what you're saying sounds like pure envy, which is fine. I too wish my dad left me with trillion dollar infrastructure and the Rangers (amongst their other holdings). To whomever was asking about Fast & Lindberg, sorry I can't stop now and see when it was.......umm.... Anytime you get into the comparison game it's tough. The Rangers DPP at the time, whose name escapes me, once compared Landmark to Joe Sakic. And you know, as it turned out, not so much lol. Landmark BTW apparently played in the same swiss league as Lombardi last year. Fast has looked like a very non-descript player to me, smart on D, quick strike guy occasionally on offense. He showed some hands at Traverse and had I think 17 in Htfd. If I had to, I say he reminds me a bit of Dvorak those years he wasn't potting a lot of goals. Like every high ranked kid from Sweden, especially a good strong two-way center, you see Forsberg's name thrown around, which is CRAZY to do to a kid. But Sweden grows these kids that way too. He's the model, and obvious a great one. But let's not get nuts. Lindberg's twice the skater Nemchinov was, quicker, more upright, and miles better hands & offensive instincts. for now if I had to give a name I'd compare him to Walt Tkachuk, a pretty damn good player. That's the player I think we're getting in the near future. Again, if I had to say someone.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 10:18 pm EST

Yep, the Rangers spend to the cap but they also have the 2nd highest average ticket price in the league. So it's bucks first from where I stand. And defending diddling born with a silver spoon up his ass Dolans? Beezelbub is grinning tonight!!

RF4L


Thu Jul 31 2014 9:13 pm EST

In the summer of 2012, the Flyers signed Shea Weber to an offer sheet of 14-years, worth $110 million. The Predators matched the offer sheet and Weber has 12 years left on his deal in Nashville with a cap hit of $7.8 million. During the summer, while Weber was seeking an offer sheet, he secretly had visits with the Rangers, Flyers, Red Wings, Sharks and Canucks. (CBC) Some people believe that the Flyers only sent Weber that offer sheet because they feared that he was going to end up with the Rangers via trade. (CBC) It’s also believed that the Rangers only added in Tim Erixon to the Rick Nash deal as a way to get it done because they feared the Flyers would get Weber. Glen Sather disputed this notion. At the time he visited the Rangers, Weber liked everything about the organization but wasn’t interested in living in Manhattan and didn’t want to be away from his teammates in Westchester. It’s believed that the Rangers were also preparing and offer sheet for Weber. The Rangers were part of trade talks for Weber and at the time the Predators requested Sean Couturier, Brayden Schenn and more from the Flyers for a possible trade.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 31 2014 8:56 pm EST

Listen and remember... http://youtu.be/nX9CgJelVhs

hipcheck


Thu Jul 31 2014 8:49 pm EST

FAST vs LINDBERG. Can anyone compare/contrast these guys for someone who hasn't seen them play a lot? Do either of them remind you of any past or present nhl'er?

hipcheck


Thu Jul 31 2014 7:38 pm EST

Same for tampa

stevielegs


Thu Jul 31 2014 7:36 pm EST

Let me know when Columbus gets to the finals....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 31 2014 6:41 pm EST

NYStranger - I certainly couldn't disagree there...The MSL trade does and IMO always will look like a windfall compared to the NASH deal, which is already a failure...the question with that deal is how big of a failure will it be? Was it a matter of the Rangers spinning their tires for a few years or do the guys they dealt become part of something big in Columbus. I got some laughs when I said this last year, but watch out for that team...they could very well go deep this year...but I digress...we'll see...if Kerby RYCHEL is as good as I think he'll be...and NASH continues down the path I think he'll travel...the sum total of that trade will be devastating for the Rangers...especially since Columbus is in our division.

tdchi


Thu Jul 31 2014 6:40 pm EST

Nyr Stranger, I couldn't agree more when you're talking of how a trade is judged. We're in the window, so the whole paradigm (if that's the correct word) has changed. You can't judge an extreme example of a 39-yr old versus No 1 draft picks as a conventional trade. As long as it works for us is the key. They can't miss. Bring that bad boy home. I want that frickin Cup NOW. I don't even want to play the regular season, just start the damn POs up again. It took years & years of building & waiting and trail and error to get to this point IMO, and I for one don't give a flying HOOT what else they have to do here. Trade our top 5 prospects, I'm on board. Just don't miss.I'll live with the MSL deal, though I'd have preferred killer forward with some hands.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 5:50 pm EST

Regarding the MSL trade, I think I was one of the few trying to see the good in it when it went down....I thought it was a fine move if followed by the acquisition of some needed size up front..We didn't and still almost won th Cup..Shows how much I knew.....St. Louis can defenitnely be a huge part the next year or two (he will be extended is my guess) in the type fast quick skilled team the Rangers seem to be striving for...We'll see how it works...

Hospo


Thu Jul 31 2014 5:45 pm EST

it is hard to talk about the winner of any trade made to win now. it usually does not work out. how does St Louis Blues feel about making that trade for Miller? That Vanek move by Mont really worked out didn't it? The Rangers management does not worry about how the MLS deal looks 5 years from now. They went for it last year and came up short. Would we be better off had we not made that deal and lost in the first round? We might still have those Draft picks (players now) but our core would have not had the invaluable experience that this deep cup run provided. I think making bad moves that screw the Cap is more important these days than trading picks for vets. I have no problem with bringing in vet experience as long as we still have a good balance of youth. Trading for a player like Nash who has been invisible in the clutch and carries that huge cap hit has been more devastating to this team than the MSL move.

NYStranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 5:19 pm EST

I don't necessarily like being put in the position of defending Jim Dolan, but in the name of fundamental fairness you bet I'll do so. If anyone thinks a company thats earned earned over $30BILLION in the last 5 years alone bases its decisions on a few hundred mil a Rangers playoff run generates they are stark raving mad. That's poor people understanding of wealthy people, that's money is ALL that matters. You'd be hard-pressed to find even a single Ranger who would accuse Dolan of not spending enough. Its not only contrary to his record with the NYR & the Knicks, it's also 100% contrary to what the man himself said not long ago. Dolan's changed over the years, and more recently he's opened up in interviews And flat out said he wants to win, money isn't a concern, theyve always written big checks and will continue to do so if it helps the team WIN. Can be a little fair to the guy, he's put his money where his mouth is. I'm continually amazed how people think the rich think of nothing else 100% of the time except money, as if they have no pride, no ambition, take no joy in the challenges of building a champion, etc, etc. Thats some small-minded shit right there. Said it before, some people just need some new fucking material BAD. So much easier to just rant day-in, day-out, how its all about the bucks , always, how every trade of a 7th round draft pick for desperately needed help is somehow Rick F*cking Middleton all over again, mortgaging the future, blah blah blah blah. And especially when its prefaced by 'take it the bank', or here's the deal, or some other such incredibely tired old phrase that's sounds great on its face, but fails miserablely measured against reality.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 4:56 pm EST

My take on the MSL trade is this: I didn't like it and I still don't like it...but that said, the fears I had about it were never realized and in the end, if they go deep again this year, then there's really it's tough to argue that they didn't do the right thing...we gotta see where those draftpicks go. Right now, the trade is MSL for Callahan, Dominik Masin and Jonathan MacLeod, plus a first-rounder that will likely be between 20th and 30th overall...Callahan brings everything he did to the Rangers to Tampa, which is a lot...and those two kids? Well, nothing special I can say about them other than their draft place...now I'm pretty convinced Cally will win a cup in Tampa or at least get that team pretty darn close to it...and if they get two other solid NHLers out of the deal, then they're the winner from a hockey perspective UNLESS the Rangers win the cup this year...if they do, then obviously the Rangers got the better end...but right now, I'd say the deal is favoring Tampa...we'll see...the critical element will be whether MSL jumps out of the gate like he did last year...if the Rangers end up with a 60-plus point forward, it's going to be hard for anyone...even me...to lament the loss of Cally.

tdchi


Thu Jul 31 2014 4:41 pm EST

RF/TD -- agreed....WE put the Stanley Cup as our #1 priority, but filthy-rich or not, these owners all want to be seen as savvy, profit-making business people. They take pride in what position their team holds in the "most valuable/richest franchise" category, as much as they do anything IMO. It's ALL a game with these people, if you know what I mean..and they want to win EVERY aspect of it.

JFC31


Thu Jul 31 2014 4:28 pm EST

JFC31- The Rangers made MSG very happy this past season. The money made from concessions alone was probably more than the budget of most small countries...never mind the shirts, the jerseys, the merchandised of sorts...and of course, the goddamn $300-for-nosebleed face value of tickets. Hundreds of millions were made during that playoff run. Do the Rangers want to win? Sure do. Dolan, however, could care less. He want the ducats and they come with every deep playoff run. Stanley Cup is a gold mine. Runner up is almost as good.

tdchi


Thu Jul 31 2014 4:09 pm EST

Dolan is a billionaire in perpetuity, he pisses what MSG made from playoffs. They want to win. Question is, is MSL the right guy to put them over the top? Great as it was, they missed last year. Now have to try again except MSL is 40 on one of smallest teams in the league. Did someone say Ho-Sang LOL. Yeah, theres that too.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 4:03 pm EST

I am not sold on the deal. I won't be unless they win the cup this year or next. I cannot believe that Yzerman got so much out of Slats with zero leverage. Signing this Blackhawks pick Hayes might help, as may Haggerty. Then again, maybe not.

Bob


Thu Jul 31 2014 3:52 pm EST

Oppps %% = $$

RF4L


Thu Jul 31 2014 3:52 pm EST

JFC: For sure, if %% returned via a deep PO run is what one considers when assessing that trade, the Rangers cannot complain too loudly. No doubt, Dolans and company took full notice of that and Sather probably didn't hesitate to remind them of that, no doubt! LOL. As a fan, however, I don't give a damn about their fattened coffers. Of course, I enjoyed the deep run - who wouldn't, especially because for me it was unexpected. At the risk of exciting RR, wouldn't it be fascinating if that Ho-Sang kid abruptly figured it out and became the star his talent says he could be? We'll be forever linked to that selection, seeing as it was actually the Rangers pick the Isles used to get him. LOL.

RF4L


Thu Jul 31 2014 3:12 pm EST

Hey guys, I'll bet the Rangers brass & owner already feel that the trade was an absolute winner for them. MSL had a big part in getting the Rangers to the Finals and all those home playoff games produced a tremendous amount of revenue for the team.

JFC31


Thu Jul 31 2014 2:53 pm EST

TD: Yep, the writer of that viewpoint makes a valid point. That said, it's too early to anoint a winner anyways and it's subjective as hell to boot. How's this for another take: Of the 2 teams involved in that trade, one has a lot more to lose than the other. MSL wanted out of Tampa, had for a while, and via his NTC, named but a single team he'd accept a trade to. Take about tying the GM's hands behind his back. Getting a first rounder alone in that case would justify granting MSL's request to be traded to the NYRangers. Getting 2 is rather impressive (renting Callahan for 6 weeks or so is easily the lesser of the 3 assets the Bolts acquired). If one of players selected ends up being a legitimate NHLer and helps the Bolts in the future either by playing for them or figuring in additional acquired assets via a subsequent deal, then the dividends would keep piling up (like for 10 years or more). If both develop and/or the resigned Callahan helps lead the Bolts to a cup, yikes! The Rangers, however, given MSL's age and the GM's penchant lately to trade for now at the expense of the future, will have a tough time saying they won the trade if they don't win a cup with him contributing. This PO run was fun. A repeat next year would be fun, too. But would that be enough to justify the deal?

RF4L


Thu Jul 31 2014 1:55 pm EST

Spatter = smarter

hipcheck


Thu Jul 31 2014 1:54 pm EST

I'm a little nervous about naming MCDONAUGH Captain. Although certainly deserving, & our best young up & coming player... has his leadership, or leadership potential "jumped off the page" to anyone? Would it me spatter to consider MSL or GIRARDI?

hipcheck


Thu Jul 31 2014 1:37 pm EST

Heres another take; St Louis was not what the team needed, and not one of Sathers better deals. Of concern is his last 3-4 big transactions, Nash, Hanks contract, MSL, he seems far from the stingy Sather of past deals, and is really pushing the envelope to obtain or keep guys he wants. In the cases of HL & MSL not at all sure theyre justified.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 31 2014 12:57 pm EST

One take on the Martin St. Louis trade: The deal: The Rangers acquired St. Louis in exchange for Ryan Callahan, a 2015 first-rounder, and a conditional 2014 pick that also ended up being a first-rounder. At the time: This was an odd one. St. Louis had reportedly asked for a trade, at least in part because of hurt feelings over being left off the initial Team Canada Olympic roster by Lightning GM Steve Yzerman. St. Louis also apparently told the team he only wanted to go to New York, which made it seem unlikely that Yzerman could get anything approaching fair value in return for the reigning Art Ross winner. Under the circumstances, the Lightning seemed to do a good job of extracting some sort of value from the Rangers, even though Callahan was a pending free agent. In hindsight: All things considered, the deal worked out great for the Lightning. Callahan re-signed in Tampa Bay, and the conditional pick switched from a second-rounder to a first-rounder once the Rangers made the conference finals, meaning Yzerman managed to land three good assets in exchange for a guy who wanted out. Meanwhile, the Rangers aren’t likely to be experiencing any buyer’s remorse — they went on their deepest playoff run in two decades and still have St. Louis under contract for another year. Teachable moment: We love to get caught up in naming winners and losers, but sometimes a trade can work out well for both teams.

tdchi


Thu Jul 31 2014 9:01 am EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727540.......Rangers' Talbot aims to show rookie season no fluke

mf


Thu Jul 31 2014 2:03 am EST

Someone is worth what he can get, I think 8.5m is really low on a long term deal for Subba. It's RFA money for him, not UFA money. Look at what Andy McDonald got...

Ola


Wed Jul 30 2014 1:23 pm EST

Much ado about nothing. P.K. Subban never asked for $8.5 million per season on a long term deal, never happened. He asked for $8.5 Mil to counter the low ball offer he would inevitably get from Montreal. That's the way arbitration works. If you ask for the exact money you want, you are guaranteed to get less. My guess is that he and the Canadians will come to terms on a deal worth between $6.25 and $7 Mil per season

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 30 2014 12:24 pm EST

Fivehole - "carried" his team? That's a little extreme...especially since after Price went down, he didn't carry anything other than his golf clubs out to the course. Is he a good defender? He's alright. Is he an offensive powerhouse? Most certainly. The two are enough to get him a Norris during a strike-shortened season(during which Andrei Markov even got a first-place vote). An $8.5 million contract? Not in my opinion. Good luck with that Montreal. Glad it's not us. I'd have his ass on the next bus out of town. The haul you could get for Subban would be nice. The pressure of his cap hit, however, is anything but nice. Subban is a good player, but he's way overrated in my mind.

tdchi


Wed Jul 30 2014 11:41 am EST

Mats Zuccarello said that he would taken a long-term contract from the Rangers if it was on the terms that he wanted but that didn’t happen and for right now the best fit is a one-year deal. (VG) Zuccarello said that the one-year deal had been done for a while but it was good to finally get it on paper. He adds, “I am happy” with the deal. (VG) He adds that he has gotten indications from the Rangers that they are interested in a long-term deal but now it’s up to him to decide what will happen since he can be a free agent after the season. (VG) Zuccarello said that the Rangers are his first choice but a deal must work for both sides. (VG) He adds that he has proven he can play in the NHL. (VG)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 30 2014 10:33 am EST

Asst coach Dan Lacroix to Mtl

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 30 2014 10:32 am EST

Would Subban's one year career be this year where he won an Olympic gold medal and then carried his team on his back to the Eastern Conf Finals, or would it be last year when he won the Norris trophy? Montreal is playing with fire here, there are dozens of teams who would lock him up long term at 8.5 million.

Fivehole


Wed Jul 30 2014 10:25 am EST

Anyone know when the Traverse City games begin and who we might be sending to it?

Ranger47


Wed Jul 30 2014 8:55 am EST

Sorry but PK Subban AIN'T worth $8.5 million. He's basically a forward who plays defense and has a fat mouth on the ice to boot. If I Montreal, I'd do the incredibly unpopular thing and trade his ass. Shea Weber is five times the defenseman..brings all the same offense and makes $750,000 less. I'd find some dumbass team willing to overpay for him and then overpay him and move on. PK didn't do squat to stop a tired Rangers club from rolling over the Habs. He should be embarrassed to ask for that much after one career year.

tdchi


Wed Jul 30 2014 8:27 am EST

via twitter "Subban/MON arbitration asks: Player -- $8.5M. Team -- $5.25" YIKES, that is quite the "gap" If they make it to the hearing it will get ugly....Montreal may have to deal with another star player telling the management to trade him ala Roy. Well maybe not as dramatically as Roy, but still.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 29 2014 9:26 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/fantasy-pool-look-rangers-and-wild-off-season-outlooks/

mf


Tue Jul 29 2014 8:47 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57585-Jake-Gardiner-agrees-to-5year-deal-worth-2025-million-deal-with-Maple-Leafs.html

mf


Tue Jul 29 2014 8:46 pm EST

Carolina Hurricanes captain Eric Staal has surgery to repair core muscle injury......http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57584-Carolina-Hurricanes-captain-Eric-Staal-has-surgery-to-repair-core-muscle-injury.html

mf


Tue Jul 29 2014 8:33 pm EST

Any Rangers season ticket holders willing to part with 3 tickets for 10/3 preseason vs. CHI? Figured I'd put it out there... Thanks! j29 -- at --- comcast (dot) net

j29


Tue Jul 29 2014 8:18 pm EST

Great stuff on your son Bob, no matter what happens it is really an honor, you must be proud. Good luck to him. OLA, really interesting piece of your history,

WIOSA


Tue Jul 29 2014 7:44 pm EST

TD- no way Staal with a contract issue is going to be Captain- MCD is the clear choice- guy is money- on the ice nearly half the game. MCD is the future- can't wait to see him this season. I remember Leetch in his early years- I was psyched at how he played the prior season, yet he improved every season for like 5 years in a row, until he peaked and his wrist injury slowed his offense down.

puckyou


Tue Jul 29 2014 4:33 pm EST

tdchi- I disagree with your assessment of Elliot, but that tandem is risky. Maybe less so behind that D corps and so deep a forward roster. Their big fuck up was dealing Halak at the deadline.

Messier11


Tue Jul 29 2014 3:37 pm EST

TDCHI _ agree about NASH and the C/A..just let him worry about his game and dind a way of merging his physical high-effort but not very productive play of the end of the year with the skill and scoring he has shown before...Other good candidates for the A might be MZA, St. Louis and D. Moore..The Rangers do not lack for character and leadership

Hospo


Tue Jul 29 2014 3:31 pm EST

hipcheck - I doubt it. My guess for the C is that it goes on McDONAGH'S chest. Either him or GIRARDI...STAAL would be the dark horse in the mix. Nash could get an 'A' but I don't think the team wants to put any more pressure on the guy than he already has.

tdchi


Tue Jul 29 2014 3:28 pm EST

Messier11 - the thing that is flummoxing about the Blues is that the STILL don't have a goaltender. ELLIOT is awful...and Jake ALLEN..while he may be a money netmider one of these days...man...I'd hate to have him going into the conference finals against a team like LA.

tdchi


Tue Jul 29 2014 3:19 pm EST

Would there be any advantage to naming NASH the next Captain? Could it help his confidence, or even inflate his trade value?

hipcheck


Tue Jul 29 2014 3:10 pm EST

Beat me to it Hospo. For a team that wants to play a possession game, winning draws are a great place to start. Not many dominant FO teams, but you definitely want to be around 50/50, or you can be chasing the puck for 45secs at a clip. Well see what Oscar can do. But thats a place where BB will be missed. Just having two quality FO men on ice in crucial spots is huge, something AV talked about a lot.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 29 2014 2:56 pm EST

JNYR - Lindberg will get that shot, eventually but I don't think right off the bat.....FACE OFFS are indeed crucial to NY given that the top 2 centers, Stepan and Brassard, are in the mid to upper 40's respectively...MOORE is the best we have now...LOMBARDI it's hard to tell with..Through 2012 he was basically 50% (and took a lot of FOs)..but he was Stepan like in 2012-13 when he was dealing with shoulder injuries...I have heard nothing but good things about LINDBERG and his FO ability but to step right I the NHL and be better than MOORE and LOMBARDI (seems healthy again) or even Brassard might be a little too much to expect in his first year...Hell, Stepan started at around 38% his first full year and Brassard around 42%..It takes a little time...Another reason why I'm thinking LOMBARDI (not just his speed, skill and PK).But we will see sometime during the year beginning in camp

Hospo


Tue Jul 29 2014 2:52 pm EST

Bob - Good stuff man. Don't know much about he NAHL, but you look at their alumni and it's a good stepping point...The guys I've seen make it to the upper echelon...and there's been only a few...the two things I can say they have in common is impeccable work-ethic and positive attitude...I guess they kind of go hand-in-hand. I play with some guys now that probably could have ended up in the professional ranks...they had the size and the skill...some of them were drafted, others ended up D1...but they're in beer leagues now because they simply didn't have one or the other...or both..My pickup group of 30-something guys used to have this one kid who started coming down when he was either 10 or 11...couldn't have weighed much more than 100 pounds, if that...but had some nice hands on him. Used to think his old man was a sadist for letting him skate with us...the first year, he skated on the lesser of two lines and lit it up...by the second year, he was skating on the top line and lighting it up...and guys were throwing him around too...kid never copped an attitude...never got pissed...never freaked out...just calm, cool and collected. Always had a smile. Never had a bad word to say. And that skate was like his fifth or sixth of the week(he used to commute something like 100-plus miles to play for some travel team in central NY)...anyway, he went to a local prep school and then the USHL... I started seeing him at some of the more up-tempo skates over the summer. And while some of his friends were snarky little punks, he was always the same good kid...positive attitude..no show-boating, just an honest, hard hockey player. Didn't care who he was skating with, what the level of competition was...just that he was skating...He ended up going D1 last year and skating on second-pairing defense(though I still don't know why the hell he skates back with the moves and vision he has)...anyway, long and the short: He was drafted by the Pens this summer. Talked with one of the beat reporters watching him day-in and day out and he was pretty convinced he'll get a shot at the bigs...it's funny, because a little earlier this year I was talking to one of the has-beens...a guy who played D1 for a season and flamed out...got some look from the AHL, but decided to move on. His philosophy was that there's not much separating guys like him from guys making the pros...and that 'it's all about who you know.' He's partially right, if you look at the number of father-son, uncle-nephew connections in the NHL...but for kids that show serious commitment and the right attitude, the sky's the limit.

tdchi


Tue Jul 29 2014 2:49 pm EST

Blues depth is getting a little ridiculous

Messier11


Tue Jul 29 2014 2:27 pm EST

Peter MUELLER signs a two-way contract with the Blues...No word on the amount...but it makes it more inexplicable why we signed Chris MUELLER to a one-way contract. Oh well.

tdchi


Tue Jul 29 2014 1:52 pm EST

Rabid: I have been touting Lindberg for a while...hope they give him a shot.....he would step into the lineup and be our best face off man as well

jnyr


Tue Jul 29 2014 1:18 pm EST

Good stuff on LINDBERG, hopefully he'll be totally ready to contribute consistently when called up during the year (not if, just when)..

Hospo


Tue Jul 29 2014 12:58 pm EST

And here's one on Lindberg from near the end of last season; Lindberg, who came to the AHL this year with 178 games of experience in Sweden’s top league over four seasons certainly did not wilt under the responsibility of that assignment. He displayed a strong and consistent work ethic, and showed flashes of explosiveness offensively, scoring seven goals and adding ten assists for 17 points in the season’s first 35 games. Since mid-January, however, when the Ranger organization acquired veteran center T.J. Hensick off of AHL waivers and top-drawer prospect J.T. Miller, also a centerman, returned from a stint in the NHL, Lindberg’s offensive production has taken off. Starting January 12, Lindberg reeled off a run in which he had at least a point in eight out of ten games, totaling six goals and seven assists for 13 points, including a five-game point-scoring streak that featured five goals and nine points. According to Wolf Pack head coach Ken Gernander, the Wolf Pack’s newfound depth in the middle was a key to Lindberg’s unlocking his offensive potential. It’s a pretty important position, and for a large part of the season he was our really only one bona fide center," Gernander said this week. “And now that we have three, you can spread the workload around a little bit, it doesn’t enable the opposition to check his line on such a regular basis. And with a couple of extra players, we now have a full complement of lines we’re comfortable with, and everybody can kind of complement one another.” “I think we’ve got four good centers,” Lindberg said, “but two top guys who can produce take a little pressure from me. It’s nice to get some guys to produce, not just have the pressure on me to do it.” Being able to get into a rhythm with a steady set of linemates is something that Lindberg identified as making life easier for him. Lindberg enters the weekend only one point behind Kristo for the team leadership in points, with Lindberg having 13-17-30 in 45 games and Kristo 17-14-31 in 42 outings. Clearly Lindberg’s confidence is on a high, and it seems likely that the tougher times earlier in the year made him grow and mature as a player. “I think the experience was good for him,” Gernander said. “I think he now has a good understanding of how competitive the American Hockey League is, how hard you’re going to have to work to create your offense and to get your opportunities. It was a little bit of trial by fire for him, but I think the overall experience will help expedite his career.” It may be, too, that the full adjustment from the bigger rinks of European hockey, and the different style of play in Sweden, took half of an AHL season to complete. “The ice surface is a lot different,” Lindberg said. “It’s more stop-and-start (in North America), not just swinging around, and not a lot of dumping (the puck) and stuff like that. But I’m learning, and I think it’s been better the last couple of weeks, for sure.”

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 29 2014 12:53 pm EST

Decent if optimistic WSJ article; By Dave Caldwell July 29, 2014 9:52 a.m. ET A year ago today, the Rangers seemed to be starting from behind. Their new coach, Alain Vigneault, had been on the job for six weeks. Their goaltender, captain, top defenseman and two young centers were all entering the final years of their contracts. Their highly paid center had just been given one more chance to earn his keep. Meanwhile, all six of their preseason games and their first nine regular-season games were on the road because of the Madison Square Garden "transformation" (which, it would appear, is finally done). After a bumpy start, the Rangers traded captain Ryan Callahan in March, yet managed to reach the Stanley Cup Finals for the first time in 20 years. This summer, the Eastern Conference champions are looking ahead to the 2014-15 season with essentially the same core that ended last season. It will practically feel like a head start. Only a handful of players became free agents and signed contracts elsewhere that they wouldn't have been offered in New York anyway: steady defenseman Anton Stralman, gritty penalty-killer Brian Boyle (Tampa Bay) and resurgent forward Benoit Pouliot (Edmonton). But the Rangers replaced each with comparable free agents, at better prices: defenseman Dan Boyle, gritty penalty-killer Tanner Glass and a forward in Lee Stempniak who sounds as eager as Pouliot a year ago to resuscitate his career. All three wanted to be here. The departure of center Brad Richards leaves the Rangers thin at center: a lot will be expected of those two young centers, Derek Stepan and Derick Brassard, both re-signed, at least until prospects J.T. Miller and Oscar Lindberg come along, if they do. But the Rangers are all but intact—now and in the future. All-world goaltender Henrik Lundqvist is signed for seven more seasons. The top defensive pair of Ryan McDonagh and Dan Girardi are signed for the next five and six seasons, respectively. Earlier this month, three restricted free agents (more than any other NHL team) elected to pursue salary arbitration, which is akin to dropping the gloves with your employer, because feelings tend to be bruised. The Rangers negotiated contracts with all three without an arbitration hearing: Brassard got a five-year, $25 million contract over the weekend. Mats Zuccarello becomes an unrestricted free agent next year, and Chris Kreider will be a restricted free agent again in two years, but the Rangers have them locked in for at least one more serious Cup run. Marc Staal, the defenseman and alternate captain, is entering the final year of his contract and would appreciate a contract extension. But the Rangers' most pressing matter before training camp opens in Greenburgh, N.Y., in mid-September would seem to be selecting a captain to replace Callahan officially. (And it won't be a huge surprise, either, if McDonagh gets the "C.") Back on June 28, general manager Glen Sather grumbled to reporters in Philadelphia that the Rangers would most likely be unable to keep the team that went to the finals intact. And because the NHL and its players' association announced a day earlier that the salary cap for the 2014-15 season would be a lower-than-expected $69 million, he also warned pending free agents to "pull their horns in a little bit" on their contract expectations. Stralman, Boyle and Pouliot were all but goners because other teams had more to spend than the Rangers, but the Rangers were able to keep Dominic Moore, their popular and beloved fourth-line center, then replace the lost players with new ones at the old prices. The strategy worked, in that the Rangers kept most of last year's team. Around the rest of the Metropolitan Division, the rival Devils and Islanders should be better, but Washington, Pittsburgh and the cap-crunched Flyers don't appear to have done a whole lot to improve. All in all, the Rangers won't be starting next season a couple laps behind their competitors. Western Conference teams, like the champion Los Angeles Kings, may remain formidable, but the Blueshirts have constructed a nucleus that is actually more capable of winning it all.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 10:10 pm EST

bob, congrats. If your boy got invited he has somebody that like his play. He might have physical gaffs but somebody likes his decsion making and vision. Let him absorb the experience and tell him to be involved. He shouldn't just sit back and watch. he will do well.. Again congrats.

KIS


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:32 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2138278-ranking-the-nhls-10-most-overpaid-players

mf


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:20 pm EST

OLA - Great stuff...Funny, I pictured you more in the mold of a defenseman like PER DJOOS! :)..

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 6:46 pm EST

Ola- Great insights & congratulations for taking it as far as you did!!! My 10 yr old is a tier 1 Squirt and is incredibly serious about it. To the point that he is doing dry land agility training and running in the pool on our vacation! I hold no expectations for him. I pray that he is safe, enjoys himself, learns a bunch of life lessons through is experiences and can only hope he goes as far as he dreams. Would love to hear more about your experiences growing up in the Swedish system and playing against the Sedins and the like.

PatrickDiv


Mon Jul 28 2014 6:23 pm EST

OLA---thanks! My boy is a year behind as he started school when he was 4. he enters his last year of high school a year younger than the rest. He has been a late bloomer, just as you described and finds it difficult to put on the muscle necessary. This makes my admiration of a guy like Kreider even higher. To have those wheels on that frame is amazing. I really don't have high expectations....but he works with a personal trainer 3 days per week and will play about 60 games this season in school against decent competition. Thanks for sharing that.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 5:21 pm EST

Bob- Sounds very exciting. I recognize myself a lot in that description. I am 6'4 and played center and it always felt like I was a year "behind"/would have needed a years handicap when I was that age. Size is important, but it don't help at all when you are filling out and you need a stronger core than a smaller player to keep up. I got to play pro hockey when I was 15 which was awsome, but I was never close to getting drafted or being involves in any nat. junior team discussions. My skating just wasn't nearly good enough. Then something happend when I was 20-21, but most ships had already sailed and I took a really hard decision to quite. I can't just say that he gotta work hard, because there are no guarantees. I got to where I got because I worked harder than anyone else and it was far from enough (I played against the Sedins and they were on a diffrent planet). And it's real tough to go all the way. BUT a lot can happend in a short time. I went from being basically flawed at any level to being a pretty good player when I quite, I could have held my own at least on a lower line in the SHL. The last couple of years, when I was around 18-21, I trained extra a lot with the Greek roman wrestling team in my home town, and that really gave me the agility I needed. How easy is it to get ice time for your kid? I always practiced with both the junior team and pro team, amounted to around 10-14 hrs a week. It was pretty insane at the time, but nothing beats pure ice time.

Ola


Mon Jul 28 2014 5:09 pm EST

Idk on AV Hospo. He had tough teams in VC, but the game is also changing. Not enough in that regard to keep our guys from being senselessly attacked. But even if you don't believe having a few legit ruffians is a deterrent, it plainly wipes out any chance for retribution.... And damn right I want some when our guys are targetted. But the thing nobody ever mentions and was as clear as day to me,mix only for a day. That first night Ryan Close was here, you could just see guys playing bigger, then they get a Wolf pack mentality.. They need a focal point as a tough guy IMO. Otherwise they feel no one has their back and timidity creeps in. And buzz was pretty strong we were in on winnick & Carter, so they at least considered it. Sheesh. How many guys have to get assaulted? Championship teams don't allow that shit

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:29 pm EST

RABID - Obviously, what we feel means little but I get the feeling that AV doesn't see the need for more nastiness (especially full time) on the 4th line after Glass.....But, though we differ in opinion on whom, I think we agree the Rangers could use a bit more toughness as insurance for the team and/or a Glass injury

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:13 pm EST

I have zero faith JT Miller will provide the nastiness we need; it leaves all the dirty work up to Glass. And Carter is a quality 4th liner.Devs fans say he brought all that lines energy, he bangs, he fights, and he can play. We always hope a tough guy will be imported, and while we wait our guys get hair brains bashed in.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:06 pm EST

BOB - Wow, news to me..Shows the difference between sports. When my son was being recruited for Goalie in Soccer. many of the schools wanted to see if he could come in a half a year early!

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:03 pm EST

RABID - Maybe on Carter, but Why do we need CARTER when we might just have MILLER and GLASS flanking Moore or Lombardi for the 4th line? Now, maybe WINNIK in TOR, shakes free McLaren or Orr for a 30-40 game insurance package, unless they think TARNASKY has that covered

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:46 pm EST

HOSPO--Yeah. Unless they are coming from Shattuck St. Mary's or somewhere like that. When they recruit players from tier programs or high school, the college coaches have relationships with junior teams and they set everything up for the kids and send them there for a year. These days, it is rare that a kid goes into a division 1 school to play as a freshman right out of HS.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:37 pm EST

F*ck. Winnick to TO better mean we get Carter. Not hopeful. But suddenly day after Brass Winnick inks? Hmm...idk..maybe.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:33 pm EST

Actually RF I was babbling on Ryan based on talks this week & NYRs prior interest. But this a.m. dug up his remarks & posted he wants to stay, apparently. Still depends on ownership giving him a market deal, but guess they would ID he wants to be there. Anyhiw, cant let MF take the rap lol.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:30 pm EST

Winnik, Toronto, one-year, 1.3 mil

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:26 pm EST

BOB - Hey Man, congrats on your son. You should be very proud! Is that really true that most American DIV I Hockey players spend a year in Juniors first?

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:26 pm EST

MF-- I am 6'2' and WAS the tallest guy in the family. I am not sure he is done yet. He is challenged to get his stride correct because each time he does, he grows again. I have bored the WALL enough with this. Thanks for the ind words.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:21 pm EST

The return for Staal would not be very good. he is set for UFA at season's end and has notable injury history. We would get something, but not anywhere close to equal value.

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:15 pm EST

Bob: Congratulations with your son.....BTW, What are you feeding this kid, I could use some of that. :>)

mf


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:13 pm EST

RF4L--He went to a "midget showcase" at the Air Force Academy and Baxter was there scouting. It was flattering to get the invitation. He was pretty excited. Of course, he was the youngest kid there playing with fully physically developed 20-21 YO's so he was in a little deep. Good learning experience as far as where he needs to get to be successful.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:09 pm EST

damn...parent = partner...

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:09 pm EST

Bob: Still an impressive achievement nonetheless. You must be proud. It's stuff like that that makes you realize all the hassles of being a partner just might be worth it after all. Know what I mean?

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:06 pm EST

Well, he is a 6'4" 16YO forward. NAHL is the level 2 junior league in the USA, behind the USHL. It is a major path for US kids to college, which is the point with my son. He is no David Backes! He is not even a Brian Boyle! He has one year of HS left and would like to play in college. All division 1 college kids down here play at least 1 year of juniors first. He has a VERY long way to go.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:00 pm EST

Bob: LOL, that's funny. And congrats on your boy dude. Very impressive. Or at least, it sounds like it is. How significant is getting that invite? I know nothing about NAHL (North American Hockey League I'm assuming). Obviously an amateur league, but what's the compete level? Are there kids in the pros who started there??

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:56 pm EST

RF4L--We oldsters will appreciate this. My 16YO got invited to an NAHL camp last week, the team GMed by Paul Baxter. We were talking about his career and he asked me if I was from Pittsburgh, where he played with Mario and others. I told him I saw him play at MSG and he says "oh geez, they used to throw batteries at me at that place." LOL.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:55 pm EST

Wild: Thoughts on who Staal could bring back?? I agree the return for him would be very good (assuming he doesn't suffer another serious injury).

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:52 pm EST

RR: Surprise, surprise - Ryan isn't on the block and doesn't want out of Ottawa, either. He's being discussed on here as if he might be because of mf's bong trades. LOL. Sorry mf, but it's true...see what you did? Guess it helps keep at least a little excitement on here - mid to late summer is the slowest time of the year for hockey. Not much 'new' stuff to chat about.

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:11 pm EST

Thing is Bob, the D is excellent, least of our troubles. Might even be better with Boyle and McD and Moore improving. You trade even Girardi, it creates problems. Going for a Cup and moving a top-pairing defender sounds nuts (and I'm aware I'm the one who said it lol), unless you had a crying need. We don't know we do, by we might (scoring and I think toughness). So its thorny.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:08 pm EST

Klein cant hold Staal's jock strap. I don't think any D are dealt. If any are this season, it will be Klein or Moore, and it will be because an AHLer is ready to step up. Barring drawn-out contract talks, injuries, I think our top six are set for the next few seasons.

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:07 pm EST

If given the choice of trading Staal or Girardi......I trade Girardi. Not sure that the choice is so easy. This shows the importance of McIlrath either making it or being a bust. If he is a bust, their flexibility is severely impaired. Cam Fowler looks awfully good right now.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 1:51 pm EST

Maybe the right question is do you trade Staal --- this year? Striving for a Cup is no time destabilize your D. If that's the conclusion signing him is secondary and must be done. eitjher way, I'd be highly surprised if Staal and Girardi and maybe both are here in 3 years. If a major piece of the D was going I'd list Girardi first based on his playoffs, wear & tear, and the fact he signed a reasonable deal and is easier to move. His NMC means little. But also having a decent in-house replacement in Klein makes him that much more likely, as does his skating, which probably fits AVs system the least of all the blueliners. but if they can't make a prospects only deal, I'd expect someone to be dealt off the D. Its where they are deepest, by could be robbing Peter if one of MCI or Allen can't step in.so, murky situation, wouldn't want to bet on what happens. Most sensible move for Rangers remains dealing futures for what they need .

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 1:41 pm EST

I have to agree on Staal. If he wants to stay, the Rangers should lock him up. Of course, that will require Sather changing his normal pattern of letting these guys get all the way to UFA before negotiating with them......costing the team big bucks like he did with Girardi.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 1:27 pm EST

agreed. Hopefully some creativity can keep the cap hit to under 5 mill per, but you have to be ready to pay up to Girardi money before letting him walk or trading for less value than he brings. Too risky. Lock him up.

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 12:59 pm EST

re: STAAL - Unless he says he's testing the open market or there's a deal for him that's too good to be true, you do NOT move Staal..Probably now the most underrated defenseman on the team right now...and a very good reason STRALMAN seemed so vastly improved from the days where he couldn't even get a job after a tryout...Staal's game has taken some lumps since his concussion and eye injury and I'm not sure he'll ever realize the full potential of what could have been a very good offensive game...but as a D-man, there's noone in the system now that can do what he does as well as he does it. He's part of the nucleus of this team and moving him would be a radical switch from the 'built from the net out' philosophy that has kept this team among the top in the NHL...He's gonna get his payday, no doubt...he'll get at least GIRARDI money...but he's worth it...the guy goes up against the top forwards in the NHL...and having him on the backline allows a lot of the other Ranger blueliners the latitude to explore other aspects of their game...if McDONAGH wasn't as incredible as he is, Staal would be a first-pairing defenseman...the Rangers depth at D is the only reason his contributions sometimes get overlooked.

tdchi


Mon Jul 28 2014 10:34 am EST

RE: Staal: "IF" we're resigning him to an extension, I'd offer 5 years, NOT six, and prefer not to pay more than the $5.5mill we paid Girardi...

mf


Mon Jul 28 2014 10:12 am EST

I have said it before, and I will say it again. Work with Staal/his agent during the season. Try to get him inked to a contract like McD has signed, or maybe even up to what Giradi has. (but if McD can take less than 5 per so can Staal) If he does not agree by the deadline sip him. ESPECIALLY if it looks like one of the kids is ready to take the next step. Klein could move up and play the Defensive mind next to Boyle if need be. Or perhaps part of the package for Staal would be a Dman that could fill in for the remainder of the year. But I would not toss him aside easily. If he will sign a deal something like 5 years 25 mil, or 6 years 30 mil you keep him. With teams paying their top guy 6-7 mil (especially when they are like McD) and 5 or so for the number 2 guy, and 4-5 mil for the number 3 guy you spend just as much if not more than the Rangers top 4 with Staal making 5 mil per or so, but its just that the Rangers would spread the money around the top 4 more equally. There are very few teams who's D would not be improved by adding Staal, so it will be a hard sale. The positive side of that is that if he doesn't sign, and they shop him, he will be "the name" of the deadline. The bidding will be high, and it could REALLY help the rangers. They could get that "true" number 1 center many have wanted, o a big time power forward. Teams would pay out the nose for him. Lets hope Sather doesn't hang onto him hopping to get a deal done, the offers may go down by the draft if he isn't signed.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:40 am EST

Reading up on it a bit, Sens also signed Legwand and Ryan said he loves it in Ottawa and wants to sign an extension.Next! Andrew Ladd might be a better fit for what Rangers need. Not the scorer Ryan is but bigger & meaner. Not a righty shot though.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:29 am EST

Totally agree with the earlier thoughts on Moore re: talent and upside. In today's NHL cap affordability is almost as important in some cases as the talent itself which makes Moore look even better. That said, if you can trade Staal for Ryan- do it. Something tells me Staal is going to overprice himself even with the cap going up the next two years. Great time to be a FA as there will be a boatload of teams working to get to the cap floor next yr

PatrickDiv


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:05 am EST

If theyre not resigning Staal you deal him for Ryan, both UFAs. Sens woyld love Staal with Karlsson as their top pair. Could probably get back one of their mediocre lefty Ds with a pick or prospect thrown in. Idk Moore is ready for Top 4 work, but reupping Staal is a tough call. Push to shove Id gave to vote no. Get a healthier player if you can.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 8:47 am EST

FWIW, I concur with those who believe J Moore has some valid upside and shouldn't be tossed aside with the bath water. In addition, he'll come at a cheap cap hit and with the possible departure of Marc Staal this time next year, his value to the Rangers could rise significantly very soon. The only way you consider moving him, IMO, is if you believe he can be adequately replaced by someone within the system, such as Allen or McI.

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 8:43 am EST

IMO, Mark Fraser wouldn't last very long in AV's skating, puck moving system. He's simply too slow. If the Rangers feel compelled to have a physical d-man on the roster who can fight, then they should be looking within their own system for that. McI cannot be any slower than Fraser.

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 6:48 am EST

http://m.sportsbreak.com/nhl/8-biggest-cheap-shots-in-hockey/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=sportsbreak_mobile&utm_medium=cpc

stevielegs


Mon Jul 28 2014 6:13 am EST

An armchair view as scout leads me to believe that More is a great skater, has not reached his ceiling, and fits AV's system. Frazier is slow footed, at his peak, and could not stay in the mix with Toronto. At some point he may be an asset but a more valuable one than he is now. Just saying.

gene_carr


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:32 pm EST

If Melnyk (Sens owner) wants to keep more cash I'm his pocket, yeah, theyll cut to the floor. They've progressively been doing that with the biggest names, dumping Alfie, Spezza, though they did re-up Michalek. Main thing with Ryan is does he want to stay there if they're not a competitive team? If not they have to move him. Guess thats why theyre talking

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:15 pm EST

Ottawa has $16,341,66 of cap room, they need to reduce salary more? I read that they're reaching out to Bobby Ryan's agent to talk money... I hope he tells them that he wants to test free agency, or to please trade him...... He's originally from NJ, maybe he wants to come East. (And not to the Debbies, G-d forbid)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 10:58 pm EST

Something about cap hits lessens nearer the deadline, can't remember what exactly. But don't even know if Ryan would be NYRs top target, though I'm sure they take him. Doubt OTT iinterested in absorbing salary, they're looking to dump it. But it is tough but possible financially. And I'd bet they discussed a lot of players last year when they were after MDZ.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 10:49 pm EST

Rhet: To acquire Bobby Ryan, unless we have enough on the farm in addition to JT Miller that Ottawa is interested in, I don't see how we can do a two team trade.... And, I'm thinking we could send them like 2-3 guys off the farm in addition to JT Miller, and ask Ottawa to eat $2.1mill of Ryans salary for this 1 season... That would get us compliant with the cap......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 9:25 pm EST

Well, in theory Rhet, if they end up with about $2m in space now, swapping McIlrath in for Klein saves you $2.1m. So with 4.1 plus ditching Millers 800k, youre right there, roughly 200k apart. Ryan makes 5.1. But a lot has to happen for that to occur. For one, sather and Murray have never made a deal.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 9:15 pm EST

How exactly do we squeeze Bobby Ryan onto this team? Also, which integral part(s) do we move to fit him? (MF... please no more 3 or 4-way trade ideas involving Nash:) ...MF...IMO, the defense doesn't need any more tinkering. We already did that when we signed Boyle. Also, Trading John Moore takes all of the speed off of the 3rd pairing. Speed kills. It was our big advantage in this years playoffs. I'm also more interested in winning games than fights. BTW, we already do have 2 second round picks in next years draft, as well as our 3rd, 4th and 6th round picks.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 27 2014 9:07 pm EST

BTW, Brass NYR leading playoff scorer last 2 years, 24 pts in 35 games. And he was banged up for MTL & LA this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:59 pm EST

Where'd that come from? HaHa....Ho-Sang was half black! Still is, actually LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:58 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOivt19dZz4

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:49 pm EST

I was watching a few of Frasers fights, our 2 guys are not 6'4" & 220lbs, and Fraser is the same price..... Winning is all that matters. Unrelated, I'd like to see the Rangers have a black player or two on the roster.....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:46 pm EST

Sorry MF, you won't like this. Problem with JA is same with Nosen, same with guys like Brent Musberger who nowadays apparently can't get thru a broadcast without groaning when they show the cheerleaders lol. They don't know when is time to step aside and give someone else a chance. Wish Kenny Albert did all our tv games.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:41 pm EST

Our Frasers names are Hunwick and Kostka. and thats if McIlrath isn't ready.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:41 pm EST

I'll take Winnick and sit tight thru late November, do a real thorough analysis and try to set up a killer trade for a scorer. You find a way to get Bobby Ryan or Ladd or similar the team is not just ready for war, its ready to win it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:40 pm EST

Brass will actually be getting paid about 7 mill per season: "While Brassard’s annual cap hit will be $5 million as the average of his total compensation, his salary will stagger from season to season, according to a source: $7 million this season, $6 million in 2015-16, $5 million in 2016-17, and $3.5 million in both 2017-18 and 2018-19. Brassard also, however, has $8 million of signing bonus money embedded within the last three years of his deal when his salary drops the lowest." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/derick-brassard-agrees-five-year-25-million-contract-extension-rangers-source-article-1.1882089#ixzz38itMEflF

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:40 pm EST

John Amirante can do no wrong, watch it fella! :>)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:38 pm EST

That's a wig? Amirante should go see his guy. Truth be told, I always kind of liked Bettman. He loves the game. Hate his referees and office of discipline with a passion. But not easy workin for 30 owners and trying to improve the game.league was a wreck when he took over, gotta say it's improved.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:37 pm EST

RR: these are the numbers: Current Cap Space: $1,332,500.... Send down FAST & bring up Miller costs you $89,167, so the Cap is then $1,243,333.....Adding Mueller ($600K) Kostka ($650K) Hunwik ($600K) + $1,850,000...... Add $1,850,000 + $1,243,333 = $3,093,333 Cap Space...... Thats enough money for JMOORE, MARK FRASER, & one of: WINNICK or CARCILLO or even reclaimation project SETOGUCHI...... I'd like us to add size & grit at this point, we have some size in the East, and we are generally a bit of a smaller finesse kind of line-up.... so my choices to sign Du Jour are JMoore/Fraser/Winnik.... My fickleness is still open to obtaining a 2nd round pick for JMoore...... quagmire-city :-)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:28 pm EST

The lower cap is hurting Philthy, Boston, Shitzburg, more than it's hurting us, so I'm cool with it.. Besides, me thinks that BungHolio the Socialist Midget wanted it at the lower end of the range, so he can flaunt more of an impact about the new TV deal with Rogers Communication next year, to show how great he is, & to stoke his ego, and put himself on a pedestal, (less folks can see his synthetic hair-piece that way)...... Ph_ck you ButtHead........

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:14 pm EST

Includes Miller but not more. So subtract another 800-1m. Correct? And Gorton said MCI close, time to find out. $2m difference on a No. 6 dman is a lot in today's NHL, and could be difference in adding a scorer later in the year. And I happen to like Klein a lot. Bit that cap not going over $70m like everyone thought fucked us. Its why they dealt Dorsett about an hour after they announced new $69m figure. And I think they wanted to try an upgrade.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:14 pm EST

Mark Fraser on Media Day with Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzEBA2EsSE

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:10 pm EST

If Miller makes the team they'll be around $2.2. I'd love to see one more bad ass. The depth chart is getting full lines 3-4 about now, dont know what they're thinking. Should know soon. Brass was last big RFA. But Carter and Winnick have obviously been waiting for something or would've inked a week ago.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:05 pm EST

CAPGEEK (updated) http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:03 pm EST

I left out that the $3,093,333 in cap space INCLUDES bringing JT MIller up to the big club.... sorry

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:01 pm EST

RR: Have any of us seen an article that Mc-ILL-Knee is anywhere ready to supplant Kevin Klein? ...... You know, if we send Mueller, Kostka, Hunwik & Fast down, we have $3,093,333 in Cap Space with JMoore still unsigned.... Bet its enough money to sign "3" of the following "4" guys: JMoore, Mark Fraser, Winnik, Carcillo........

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:56 pm EST

MCDAVID & EICHEL are looking 1 & 2 next year & I'm not guessing on the order.

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:55 pm EST

Oh. Gotcha MF. AVs got some ties to Moore & they really like him, supposedly. Isnt it more likely McIlrath moves in & Klein's $3m goes for a scorer?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:51 pm EST

McDavid wont be there in 2nd round. We can comfortably worry about the big league club for one year without hearing about the damn cupboard. Weve got a great (mostly) young team. Managed right, we should never reach the depths of 1998-2004 again.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:48 pm EST

RR: want a crease clearing D'man? I do.. Want someone outside of Kreider to protect Rick Nash? I do..... 6'4" 220lbs, LHS...... We have an opportunity to pick up a draft pick here.... I'll be the 1st to volunteer my limited hockey knowledge, but if signing a guy like Mark Fraser to replace JMoore just changes the dynamic of the defense & doesn't hurt it, it's worth investigating, and that's all I'm asserting by throwing the topic out here... Check this out: https://www.google.com/#q=mark+fraser+highlights

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:43 pm EST

McDavid!

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:29 pm EST

MF, we're on the verge of a Cup. Who gives a shit about a 2nd rounder when you're talking about our No. 5 Dman, and a young good one at that. Please don't do the asset management lecture. Please.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:26 pm EST

Thats right, generally within 10% of midway point on arbitration awards. Contracts are all crazy. But if O'Reilly is worth $6m, Brassard is worth $5. A few good years he looks like a big bargain.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:25 pm EST

Rhet: I've got nothing against John Moore, aamof, I like him.. What I don't like is not having draft picks to participate in a strong draft next year, and I think that JMOORE could fetch a 2nd round pick..... What are your thoughts about MARK FRASER ??? A totally different kind of defender than JMoore, I posted about him earlier "if" you read through the days posts... Here's The Hockey News review on the Fraser:... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5201

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:17 pm EST

Personally, I love Derick Brassard as a player , but I don't really care for the cap hit. He is now the 3rd highest paid Ranger forward. It is what it is in today's NHL. Amazing to think we were talking about $5.5 Mil for a Stepan extension last season. Keeping brad Richards prevented us from signing Stepan to a long-term extension. Now what are we looking at for him, $7 Mil per season? Great job Glennie boy. After we get get Moore re-signed we should re-sign Staal and then Stepan. Then Zucc in January ....MF.... What do have against John Moore? We have plenty of money to re-sign him. BTW, Paul Rangers's best days are behind him. Pass .....TD.... That's not at all how arbitration works. Players do not get awarded more than what they ask for. Usually, the arbitrator will award them with a number at the mid point of what the team is asking and what the player is asking.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:15 pm EST

I'd love to see Kreider pummel a few people, but truth is a lot of guys steer clear of him already. Word's pretty much out by now, any thing he hits he destroys lol.Even the Dmen dont take many runs at him. For one thing, you have to catch that cyborg first. Saw him ragdoll a few guys in college, he can get nasty, but he shrugs most guys off. Don't want him breaking a hand on a helmet either .

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:14 pm EST

Let's all hope MZA is locked up sooner than later.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:01 pm EST

Anyone else think KREIDER might be a bit of a "marked-man" this year after the whole incident with PRICE, and PRUST'S comments to the media? I would like the coaching staff to give KREIDER freedom to drop the gloves a couple of times early this season. A lot of the guys need to establish themselves physically around the league. KREIDER, MCDONAGH, GIRARDI, STEPAN, BRASSARD & even STAAL (I said it) need to drop the gloves and have at least one scrap. It show your heart, courage & willingness to protect (oneself & teammates).

hipcheck


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:01 pm EST

Ester = Sather. Lol.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:00 pm EST

Thrilled they've locked up Brass. Not sure what might rub some the wrong way; This guy is dynamic, passionate, he's been clutch in the playoffs, and he still has upside. Get a pure finisher on his line and his numbers could go way up. But even that misses the point. Our team is about the playoffs now, barring catastrophe. This is a guy that fits great into the core, fits great with Zuc, he can fly in top gear, and is one slippery sumbitch. Good job Esther now having Kreider at to years, Brass at five, and Zuc will be locked up long term before the end of the year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:47 pm EST

most convincing case for doing drugs Ive ever read... ;^) ... Touchee'

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:43 pm EST

I don't know what anyone thinks they're accomplishing by deliberately misconstruing my criticism for dislike. If I dislike a player, anyone here knows I don't keep it to myself. Saying Stepan isn't a number one, Brassard isn't a number two aren't put-downs. Hockey is a four-line sport. It's just being realistic.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:41 pm EST

Wild: I am not upset with this contract, it's obviously what the market commands... Actually relieved this is behind us, and we can move forward..... CAPGEEK, has NOT updated yet, but my calculations show we have $1,332,500 Cap Space, with J.MOORE currently UNSIGNED....moving Mueller down frees up another $600K, brings us to: $1,932,500..... bringing up JTMiller & sending down Fast costs us $89,167.... Kostka & Hunwik make $650K & $600K respectfully, if you send them down, we have a grand total of $3,093,333 of Cap Space, with JMoore still unsigned..... So, I ask again, would you rather sign JMOORE, or trade him for a 2nd round pick somewhere and sign an UFA to fill the void ???

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:40 pm EST

Topovsky- our lacking of a true number 1 center was mitigated by our two bonafide second-line centers, really good third-line center in Brass, and the overall stellar play of the fourth line. We've lost one of those top centers without yet replacing his production. It won't be the same scenario as was last season.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:25 pm EST

Brass apparently has a partial modified NTC. Probably keeps him in NY for a certain number of seasons unless his list of teams matches the trade. So a list of teams he will accept a trade to or more commonly a list of teams he will not accept a trade to.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:25 pm EST

mess 11 what is your point? rangers WERE contenders with Stepan and Brassard as much as you dont like them.

Topovski


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:23 pm EST

mf: they only gave him more than his demand for 1 season. I would bet if arbitration could take a 5 year offer the Brassard camp would have come in at close to 30 million...not 25.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:21 pm EST

Mess: so if a center gets 3 points per game but can only be healthy for 20 of them he is the best center in the NHL? Being healthy is part of the equation. And for you. You can't discount Stepan missing a big chunk of camp with contract crap. It's what a player actually does....not what they woulda coulda shoulda done.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:17 pm EST

No wonder Derick Brassard was so happy to be out of Columbus; while his former team continues to play hardball with Ryan Johansen, the New York Rangers just exceeded his demands in order to avoid salary arbitration. The Rangers and Brassard have agreed to a five-year, $25 million deal. The deal is front loaded, with Brassard earning $7 million next season, $6 million in 2015-16, $5 million the following year, and $3.5 million for the final two years of the contract…….. It was reported yesterday by Elliote Freedman that Brassard’s camp was looking for $4.95 million AAV, and the Rangers counter offer was for $3.825 million. 24 hours later, the Rangers met Brassard’s demands and even through in a little extra. Included in the deal is a LIMITE NO-TRADE CLAUSE; another victory for Brassard…….. Why were the Rangers so intent on avoiding arbitration and getting Brassard signed to an extension? With the Brad Richards buyout, and Brian Boylesigning with the Tampa Bay Lightning, the Rangers are looking pretty thin down the middle for the 2014-15 season. Brassard is currently slotted as the second line center. Next on the depth chart would be Dominic Moore, who put up six goals and 12 assists last season; a big step down from Brassard’s 18 goals and 27 assists. While it shores up the center position, the Rangers overpaid by giving $25 million to a player who has never reached 20 goals in his entire career. Brassard would be third liner on many NHL rosters. Fortunately for Brassard, the limited no-trade clause gives him some control, should the Rangers get buyer’s remorse. Brassard was a valuable player for the Rangers during the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs. He scored six goals and six assists, a 13.3 Sh%, a 51.6 CF%, and a RelCF% of +5.2. During the regular season, his RelCF% was +1.6%........ The New York Rangers have avoided salary arbitration with all of their RFAs this season, including Chris Kreider and Mats Zuccarello. After the Brassard extension, the Rangers have around $4 million left in cap space to sign defenseman John Mooreto an extension and build some depth on their bottom two lines.

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:08 pm EST

Brassard's contract looks high now but they did buy out 1 RFA/ 4 UFA years and $5 million seems to be the going rate for 45-50 pt centers. Also the contract is front loaded so it will be easier to trade the last 2 years when the actual salary is $3.5 million and hopefully their is no NTC.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:05 pm EST

And if couture, stamkos, cammalleri, and koivu had healthy seasons, Stepan would be out of the top 30. Hell, even the mighty Tyler bozak almost matched steps production, in 24 fewer games! I've demonstrated the point amply. I can't force you to process the info. What you do with it is your problem.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:57 pm EST

Also you. Cany use an excuse for BRich not being better (pointed to Nash) than ignore Nash being on Stepans wing. So by your logic, Stepan is more productive with Zucc since Nash is an anchor to a center. Maybe he would have been top 15 only a couple points out of top 10 like the lockout season

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:54 pm EST

Yeah Mess. There are centers better than Stepan. But first line center doesn't mean "top 5 center". It's backward thinking. In your fantasy world only 1/3 or so of the NHL have number 1 centers. The argument doesn't hold water. Yes Stepan would be behind the Crosby and Getzlaf types...duh! Only those guys are at that level. Add to that...how many of those types made the SCF? Oh yeah....none from the east and like 1 from the West in Kopitar...sure sucks to have 3 centers in the top 50 scoring...would much rather have that one guy to carry the team like those other teams....oh wait

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:49 pm EST

ADD to that list Dallas & the NY Islanders

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:44 pm EST

Mess: there were not 25 center above him. MacKinnon played a few games, if not a few shifts at center and O'Reilly only played center when 2 guys were down with injury...and not always...that's why for 3 or 4 games the AVS top 3 C were Stastny, Mitchell and Cliche(sp). So with that if Stepan is not a 1st line center production wise than there are at least 9 teams with no number 1, and really more like half the NHL. You can't say 48th is a 3rd line center due to being a contender. That's reaching and using pure BS to make an argument. The Rangers had 3 centers in the top 50 points wise. If every team had an equally good number 1 and number 2 C that would be 60 players. The Rangers made the SCF partly due to having good production from the center position. Brass was 3rd in production on the Rangers yes, but would have been higher with more ice time, and would have replaced many number 2 guys in the NHL. Also...is it Brass had Zucc and Richards had Nash/Cally or was it more Zucc had Brass and Nash/Cally had BRich?

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:41 pm EST

more proof: a number of those 25 listed centers who out-scored Stepan last years are their teams'……….second-line centers!

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:39 pm EST

Hey Tiger, why stop there? Carolina, Detroit, Edmonton, Philthy, Vancouver.....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:32 pm EST

On what line would Step play in LA? Chicago? Boston? Anaheim? Pittsburgh? Colorado? TB? SJ? Washington? St. Louis? Second line, without a question. Thats is one third of the league.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:31 pm EST

TD: Brassards salary last year was $3.7mill, his "cap hit" was $3.2mill..... so his raise was $1.3mill.....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:23 pm EST

Cody Hodgson and Nick Bjugstad were their respective teams' top-producing centers last season. No one in their right mind would call them first-line centers on a contender. Thats not how it works.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:20 pm EST

Hey Im just being realistic

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:19 pm EST

if you are on the ECF championship team and there are 25 centers who scored more than you and your title is "first line center", theres your farce.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:18 pm EST

Yeah let's be more optimistic about this team. We have one of the greatest goalies in the world. Some awesome defense. Real sold forwards. And wild is right how many teams have a legit #1 center or a Lucic. We're in a good place right now. And let's continue to enjoy our summer. Drink on!

ref24


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:16 pm EST

Brass had MZA. Richards had Nash/Cally. Nuff said. //// Brass was 48th in points among listed centers. For a contender, that means third line. You cant be a contender and have your top-scoring center 26th (among centers) in terms of production. Most people would describe that as second-line production.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:15 pm EST

A $1.8 million raise for Brassard? Man...I understand why they did it...I mean, BOLLAND, who isn't even two-thirds the center as Brassard, got $5.5 million...and if you look at Brassard's stats, they're better...at arbitration, he'd probably get MORE than what he was asking for...but $5 million...man...that's a lot. He better be ready to wheel it next season...he's going to have to play like it's the playoffs for 82 games...cause if $5 million is what the Rangers give centers scoring 45-points per year...we're SCREWED when Step's contract comes up...incidentally, the more these contracts get wheeled out, the more I think this is Rick NASH'S last season on the Rangers...unless he explodes...and even if he does..It's going to be a tough business to keep that salary.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:12 pm EST

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6477/rangers-brassard-agree-to-terms#.U9V5JeNdXSs

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:05 pm EST

Mess: Brass had only 6 less points than BRich and did so with about 3 less minutes of ice time per game. Also as for Stepan...he was tied at 59th in the NHL for scoring...and amongst Centers he came in 26th, but at least 2 guys above him in the standings player little center if any at all during the year. Production wise, in TODAYS NHL he is a first line center. That is unless there are less than 25 teams with a first line center...hell only 8 teams had a center get more than 70 points. So let's drop the "no first line center" farce. Yes there could be upgrades over Stepan, but not much, and not cheap. Stepan in the NHL as it sits is a first lunch center...Brass had a good 3rd line production last year, and this year with some minor improvement production wise will the "right there" with the 2nd line centers in the NHL

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:01 pm EST

I think he's great as a third-line C. Thats been my position consistently and I think thats abundantly clear from my posts.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 4:58 pm EST

Oh well, guess not everyone likes Brassard. I do. He had a healthy season and was productive. I expect that he will be again. We'll see.

Bob


Sun Jul 27 2014 4:11 pm EST

Trading J.Moore continued: MARC FRASER is listed at 6'4" 220lbs (LHS) tirns 28 y/o this September..... With him on the back line with Klein, seems like Klein will become the more dominant puck mover of the pair. Not so terrible, Klein displayed plenty of mobility and eagerness to join the rush in the Play-offs... In the meantime, Fraser is reported to be a stay at home defensively sound defenseman... I'm lead to think that he and Klein together could be a crease clearing tandem many have pined for, for long time.... Remember: Probably get at least a 2nd rounder for J.Moore... Moore's still young, wonder if Buffalo wants him, I want a high pick.... :>)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:52 pm EST

M11:my opinion is that we need draft picks, next year's draft is deep. if JMoore & Paul Ranger are a wash, let's start accumulating 2nd & 3rd round picks whic we can bundle with a player next year for the draft....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:51 pm EST

Not just technically. He was outproduced by both Step and Richards, despite having the highest-scoring forward on his flank for most of the season.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:36 pm EST

Well, they did not have many options. Brassard might have technically been the 3rd line center, but his line was consistently the best one over the season. If someone (Stempniak or Miller) can duplicate what Pouliot bright, they should be fine.

Bob


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:35 pm EST

what's the cap hit for brass-ard?

stevielegs


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:28 pm EST

I am starting to think that the Lombardi signing wasn't insurance for Miller, but rather for Brassard.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:28 pm EST

Brassard would probably have gotten more than 5 next season, but it probably wouldn't have been from us or another contender. Its also assuming he doesn't crap the bed in his bigger assignment this season. Basically were asking a second-line center in Stepan to be a first-line center, and a third-line center in Brassard to be a second-line center. And now were paying him that money before he demonstrates he's capable of that reach.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:16 pm EST

Considering the fact that the Rangers are buying 4 years of Brass' UFA, this a good deal for both. Brass would have commanded more than this next year as a UFA, and probably for more years. Sure seems like Brass really did want to come back to play in NY, which is always a good thing. Moore slots in at $800K to $1MM, and they are good to go unless there is a deal or youngsters who break through.

Bob


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:14 pm EST

Our D pairings are also set. Ranger and others like him are no improvement over our current third pair, and we have prospects and journeymen already locked up or in the system.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:10 pm EST

Our lines are pretty much set. Winnik or even Setoguchi is no real improvement over developing Miller, who can produce to that level currently and has potential to surpass

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:07 pm EST

IYO, then how about Paul Ranger ? (Bet he'd sign for $600K)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:05 pm EST

Wow. That is a lot of scratch for Brass!!!! Seems to be too much to me..

Shaggy


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:05 pm EST

Moore to Jovo is like replacing a sailboat with an anchor. See the Hamrlik blunder just a couple seasons ago. Moore at 1.25 is a good deal, and you'll be hard-pressed to find a better or even replacement for much less.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:05 pm EST

Sather is not going to give Moore a big raise IMO. The guy has no leverage and every penny counts. $1 mil per is my guess. If Sather gives Moore the lowest he can give contractually, that could mean that Moore's stock in the organization is not that high. When a team makes the Cup finals and then refuses to give one of their regulars a raise, it does not speak well of their opinion of that player.

JFC31


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:01 pm EST

If Brassard is worth $5 mil, what's Zucc worth? Zucc lead the team in scoring and he has to play this year making $1.5 mil LESS than Brassard? Huh? The Rangers better not screw this up....they better do,the right thing and get Zucc signed LONG TERM as soon as the date arrives.

JFC31


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:01 pm EST

If they give J.Moore 1.3 mil per they can have : Kreider, Hags,stempniak, Step, Brass, Nash, Zucc,Mler, Glass, D.Moore Lombardi and Muller at forward with Giradi, Staal, Boyle, Staal, Klein, J.Moore and Hunwick on D. That with just over 500K in cap left. If Moore signs for 1.25 they will have just over a million. That "grows" as the days go by. So they could even go with 12 at and 6D for the home games early in the season since they will be only a quick train ride or drive from NYC to increase that deadline cap space even more.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:00 pm EST

mf - Unless Florida is planning on moving some of their other young guys, I think it's very unlikely they'll sign Kevin...and part of the reason Jimmy isn't signed is that he wants to play in the NHL and wants a one-way contract...The Panthers just signed a bunch of UFAs(JOKINEN, BOLLAND, McKENZIE, and THORNTON)...they also have a number of guys who will be challenging for roster spots...TROCHECK, GRIMALDI and HOWDEN are three that could make the team out of camp...and they've got 13 forwards under contract now....Unless he's better than someone in the top nine, he'd be AHL-bound with the Kitties...as for Kevin's ceiling...I'll say this about him: He was on the best line in the NCAA last year...and while Johny Hockey was a significant reason for their success, so was Hayes. He's got very good vision and has some nice hands...Do I think he could play on the Rangers? Most certainly. I think the kid is ready to go...I was reading somewhere that if he was in draft, that he probably would have gone in the top-15. That to me suggests that he'd be worth a roster spot, especially since the Rangers have frittered away so man picks.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:00 pm EST

Brass 5/25.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:58 pm EST

We could get a good draft pick for JMOORE, and sign Jovanofski or Ranger for 3rd line Left Defenseman and have enough to sign Winnik..... Just thinking out loud here, to see what the Wall's Consensus is.......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:56 pm EST

should sign Moore to 1.25

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:54 pm EST

Cap Room: If this 5yr-$5mill is fact, we now have $1,332,500 PLUS $600K by sending Mueller down, for a gran total of $1,932,500 to sign J.Moore & ?????? "OR" will they trade J.Moore ?????

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:50 pm EST

Agree on the NMC/NTC however with the Cap destined to increase next year & possibly the year after, AND the ability to eat part of a players contract in trade, we'll be OK.. jmo naturally

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:50 pm EST

Our FAs of note after this season: MSL, MZA, Hags, Step, Staal. Ouch

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:47 pm EST

Thats too much for a center with third-line production. We will have a hard time moving that contract. hopefully no NMC/NTC

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:45 pm EST

OLA: Wake up and translate this gibberish. ;^) http://www.suomikiekko.com/2014/07/rangers-kiinni-sentterinsa-25-miljoonan-dollarin-sopimuksella/

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:41 pm EST

Earlier article from around noon today: http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/07/27/why-derick-brassards-contract-is-double-edged-sword-for-new-york-rangers/

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:33 pm EST

5yrs/25 mil for Brassard

professa


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:19 pm EST

If the team in a tax-friendly state cant support a contender, the marginal savings in taxes won't matter much when the earning ability of the player is compromised by low performance. Florida is not the team to build towards a UFA payday. Dallas is looking better, TB maybe.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:08 pm EST

Last I read, Bjugstad was one of the handful of untouchables in Fla

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:45 pm EST

Considering the young stable Florida has assembled, no State Income Tax, and brother Jimmy already there, "maybe" The Panthers are the current #1 consideration for Kevin Hayes.......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:40 pm EST

IYO, what kind of potential do you see in Kevin Hayes ? t/y

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:33 pm EST

mf - Jimmy HAYES didn't do too much with the good look he got with the Kitties last year, but I think his ceiling is a little higher than fourth line...he's a big body, he has talent...actually, he could be a younger version of BOYLE...But yeah, the primary reason would be to give another incentive to Kevin to sign in New York come Aug. 17.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:10 pm EST

Now tell me this type of player wouldn't be a nice one to havae as our second line pivot: http://video.panthers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=587365

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:04 pm EST

davidsoc30 - I would start with BRASSARD and MOORE, just 'cause they'd fit with the Kitties pretty nicely...and they're the last two without contracts...I kind of doubt they'd be too interested in either MILLER or KRISTO, because they have a plentiful supply of young forwards...SKJEI might grab their attention...or maybe even McILRATH...they need D even though they did just draft Ekblad...I think both guys could be had and if there was ever a time to make a pitch for them, it's now...I think BJUGSTAD's poised to have a breakout year..

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:58 pm EST

Messier11 - I don't know man...I think BJUGSTAD, if he's not a number-two right now, will be one by next season. The kid lead the craptacular Panthers in points...and frankly, I'd be a little surprised if he was on the market...my thinking is that maybe...just maybe...they'd bite on BRASS because he is further along in development...but the key with Bjustad is adding size cheaply to a team that doesn't have any...and with the forwards competing for a job this fall, the right offer might get them moving...but I see Bjustad as a 50-point player next season. I'd put money on it. The kid is already 6'5 and 220 pounds. He's gonna be a beast when he fills out a little more.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:57 pm EST

FORGET THAT LAST YOUTUBE: TRY THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJZYG5qwHHI

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:50 pm EST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiB_DL_9818

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:29 pm EST

Well, we just may hear of a deal between Brassard & The Rangers prior to arbitration tomorrow. If not, I believe the arbitrator has 48 hours to make a ruling which could bring us to Wednesday........ Brassard turns 27 September 22nd.... If the Rangers are willing to go 5 years with this kid, which means he will be 31.9 yrs old at the end of this contract, I offer the following proposal for feedback: 5 yr deal, $4MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM (this avg's to a $4.4mill cap hit per year.. We build in a $250,000 BONUS INCENTIVE for him to shoot for Next Season's play & the 3 seasons thereafter, and a second BONUS INCENTIVE for years 4 & 5 so the kid could theoretically make $4.75mill next year & the year after, and $5mill in years 4 & 5....... The bonus money counts against the following years Cap, and NOT against the "average cap hit per year..... Me thinks this is a creative "olive branch" which may be acceptable to both sides.........

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:14 pm EST

TD: What do you think it would take to land Bjugstad and Hayes? Any chance we could center a package around Hagelin and Moore with a near ready prospect such as Miller or Kristo?

davidsoc30


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:34 am EST

Bjugstad may someday be a number 2 center, but I doubt it. He isn't one now. Thats our problem with Brassard, except his potential is capped by age.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:01 am EST

Just looked at the 2010 draft sequence, Florida had 3 1st round picks, 3 2nd round picks, a total of 13 picks in the draft........ BJUGSTAD picked at 19, FOWLER at #12, Sather chose Dylan MC-ILL-KNEE 10th... Great job Slats..... As for this Jimmy "Purple" Haze, The Hockey News states that he's needs work on his skating, and parking him in front of the net on the 2nd PP unit is no endorsement of his skating or defensive game..... Would A.V. trust him? Maybe some skating lessons with B.Boyles lady skating coach is in order, all moot unless a trade can be made... ON the Rangers, looks like Jimmy Hayes would be 4th line RW, nothing wrong with that, AV roles the lines real well (IMO)......... Are you including HAYES as a lure to get his brother to sign here? I'm interested in the center BJUGSTAD............. Once this years signings are completed, and the talk turns to contract extensions for next year, perhaps Sather will focus on adding picks for next year......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:33 am EST

Speaking of Jimmy HAYES...The two Hayeses could end up going as a pair if this keeps up: " The Panthers and restricted free agent Jimmy Hayes were unable to come to terms so the two parties will settle their dispute at a hearing in front of a neutral arbitrator next week in Toronto, according to a source. Hayes, 24, is the last unsigned Panther on the roster, excluding rookie defenseman Aaron Ekblad, who's expected to sign before training camp in September. The 6-foot-6 Hayes,who was orginally drafted by the Maple Leafs in the second round in 2008, came over in a trade from the Chicago Blackhawks on Nov. 14, along with defenseman Dylan Olsen for forwards Kris Versteeg and minor leaguer Philippe Lefebvre. Hayes, who had been bouncing back and forth between Chicago's AHL affiliate in Rockford and the Blackhawks over the past three season, found a niche on the Panthers' fourth line this year. However, he was most effective when former interim coach Peter Horachek placed the 6-6 Hayes in front of the net on the team's second power-play unit where he blocked the goalie's view and cleaned up rebounds. Hayes played 55 games, 53 with Florida, and notched all of his career-high 11 goals – three on the power play - and seven assists with the Panthers. Hayes, who finished his three-year, two-way contract last season, was making an NHL salary of $687,500 and a prorated $65,000 in the minors. Including Hayes, the Panthers have 14 forwards on the roster, as well as young forwards such as Rocco Grimaldi, Vincent Trocheck, Garrett Wilson and Quinton Howden all vying for potential roster spots. The Panthers will be represented at the hearing by General Manager Dale Tallon and manager of hockey operations Mike Dixon, as well as a Toronto law firm. The arbitrator will decide how much Hayes earns this season. A player can not receive less than 85 percent of his previous salary."

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:20 am EST

Messier11 - I don't know about that...Granted, I don't think that trade would ever happen...But it'd actually drastically improve the Rangers...Bring in two righties...Bring in a large center with a HUGE upside...shed some salary...get a guy many are saying can contribute immediately...and then you move NASH to where he's got a physical presence on his line(GLASS/MILLER) and someone who can add speed(LOMBARDI/STEMPNIAK)...And Nash, as we've learned, doesn't need talented guys on his line. All he needs is someone capable of protecting his ass...So are those things likely? No...Yet they'd be good moves for the Rangers to make.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:14 am EST

mf - yeah, BJUGSTAD'S a player I've wanted since the 2010 draft...he was projected to go mid-first round and the Rangers were picking 10th that year, so I was hoping either they'd trade down or take a chance on him...seems like he's developing into the center that I figured he could be, namely a big, physical pivot good at both ends of the ice...I was thinking the Kitties with BARKOV and HUBARDEAU might give a thought of moving him...but that's just pure, 100 percent fantasy on my end...incidentally, Jimmy HAYES is also a righty...And if Moore was moved, they could always give MDZ another crack at making the team.

tdchi


Sat Jul 26 2014 9:26 pm EST

Brassard scored 18 goals and 45 points in 81 regular season games before collecting 12 points in 23 playoff contests last season. He’s likely to be counted on quite a bit more in 2014-15 after the team’s summer of turnover at the center position............“I tried to get away from the game a little bit, but now I’m back in the gym trying to get stronger and faster,” Brassard said on Thursday. “Just this week I was thinking about how excited I am about going back to New York and playing again......... http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/26/brassard-rangers-about-1-1m-apart-in-arbitration-requests/

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 8:32 pm EST

Stempniak sees Rangers as fit for his game... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727180

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 4:15 pm EST

most convincing case for staying off drugs Ive ever read

Messier11


Sat Jul 26 2014 2:54 pm EST

We could sign a guy like Paul Ranger for $600k - $1million to fill J.Moore's spot... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3095

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 2:51 pm EST

TD: You also solve the Rangers Cap Space issues, & center issues.... Florida is still being hit $1.4mill the coming season for Kuba, and $2.2mill for this season and the one thereafter for Versteeg.. Perhaps a pick off our farm & we pick up the Kuba charge of $1.4mill to sweeten to deal... Bobby Ryan who? :-)

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 2:14 pm EST

Here's some bong action for you. BRASSARD wants big money? So does MOORE? Trade them both to the Panthers with a prospect(let's say KRISTO for argument's sake) in exchange for BJUGSTAD and Jimmy HAYES...tell brother Kevin there's a spot for both of them on third line with Dom MOORE. Have BJUGSTAD anchor second with MSL and KRIEDER... Move HAGELIN up with STEPAN and ZUCC and have NASH on the wing with LOMBARDI and GLASS/STEMPNIAK/MILLER...bring ALLEN in for LD and if he doesn't work, we have HUNWICK. Next year, SKJEI will be challenging for that job anyway. Suddenly you solve the Rangers' size and righthander issues.

tdchi


Sat Jul 26 2014 12:37 pm EST

Hospo: Personally, I liked Carcillo's tenure with the Rangers, not sure about the Ranger Brass, nor if his Dick-Tatorship BungHolio midget socialist has put the hit out on Carcillo ie: we don't want that behavior in the league.. (the fact that they shortened his sentence last year contradicts this last train of thought of mine). ... Of the remaining players, this WINNIK guy looks good to me... (turned 29 in March) RHS, managed 6G's, 24A's,30pts, ..... According to the Hockey News... Assets: Can play any forward position and displays plenty of "DEFENSIVE ACUMEN" Has excellent size for the NHL game, as well as plenty of determination. Flaws: Doesn't always use his large frame (6-2, 210 pounds) to the best of his capability, especially offensively.(SO HE'S GOT TO USE THE BODY BETTER) Is prone to prolonged scoring droughts.(not a big deal, his role is a bottom 6 on our squad) Career Potential: Versatile veteran forward. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4856

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 12:14 pm EST

MF - Having a MILL is more than enough to get a good player as the Rangers have shown the past three weeks or so...Settling in the middle with Brassard sounds like the way to go to me..

Hospo


Sat Jul 26 2014 11:51 am EST

If Brassard is signed at $5mill, we have $593,333... Obviously, any amount below $5mill, gets added to the $593,333 figure.... SO, if Buzzard signs for $4.4 mill, we'd have $1,193,333 and a cup to beg for coffee money in front of The Garden.

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 11:47 am EST

The current Cap Space is: $6,843,333... This amount includes the following: FAST sent down, Miller brought up (difference of $$89,167) ...Mueller sent down (clears $600K) .... Yet to be signed: J.Moore & Derick Brassard.... "IF" J.Moore is signed for $1,250,000...we are left with $5,593,333...... So if Brassard is signed for less than $5mill per, theoretically, you can afford Carcillo at $6ooK per..... Then you can go in front of The Garden with a cup, & beg for coffee money.......

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 11:38 am EST

Say the Rangers and Brass meet in the middle at 4.4 mi...SO, alomg with Kid K's 2.4 Mil. ANd ZUcc's 3.5MIll???..Does that leave 1 mil for a Carcillo or Carcillo type?

Hospo


Sat Jul 26 2014 10:17 am EST

Derick Brassard has asked for $4.95 million in arbitration. ( Elliotte Friedman) The Rangers countered with $3.825 million. Brassard’s arbitration award would only be for one-year since he is eligible to become a UFA next summer. The two sides can still settle before Monday’s hearing. Last season, Brassard had a cap hit of $3.2 million but had an actual salary of $3.7 million.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 26 2014 8:35 am EST

Marc Staal said that he is excited to get to know Dan Boyle and the team is excited to have him. (TBNews) Staal said that Boyle is still a great player, very talented with the puck and will be a “huge help” on the power play. (TBNews) It’s been speculated that Boyle will shift into Anton Stralman’s spot and skate with Staal but Staal said that he isn’t sure what the pairings will be. (TBNews) Asked about Staal, Boyle said “him and I played in the All-Star game a few years ago so I do know him a little bit but he had to deal with the eye injury but he looks like he has come back from it. As far as playing with him, any partner I have had in the past has kind of had to adjust to me a little bit more, I can play with anybody. I am a positive guy on the bench, I am hard on myself but when it comes to my teammates I am very positive and supportive and whatever he needs from me, I’ll be there. He is a responsible D man and allows me to go out there and do what I do best and hopefully it’s a good match. (Rangers)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 25 2014 5:23 pm EST

If you guarantee it JFC, I'll take it. But beers are in order should he fall short, OK? LOL. Granted, Zuc is in far better position once in the zone on his forehand for intercepting clearing passes & wraps, etc. I'd maintain his real magic comes off the rush, but whatever..... Forgot what I was gonna say haha.... Oh, main thing to me is he just never looked comfortable on LW; but when he's shooting up the right the little bugger looks downright dangerous..... And they almost never get to him before he gets off a great pass to a trailer or whomever.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:26 pm EST

jratelle19...great stuff, t/y

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:22 pm EST

Hello Wallsters! Been lurking for the last month or so but haven't posted much. Wednesday night I drove up to Stamford, CT for a charity game for the Big Assist VI for Mr. Obie Harrington-Howes, a hockey and lacrosse coach from the area who suffered paralysis from an accident at Jones Beach some years ago. He was Ryan Shannon's first hockey coach and Shannon has organized the event for the last 6 years. Anyway, MSL headed the blue team and the only other Ranger was Ryan Harrington from RPI. Kreider was originally listed to be in the lineup but he had to cancel due to what turned out to be an unnecessary trip to Toronto for the arbitration hearing. Other NHLers there were Kevin Shattenkirk, Matt Moulson, and Torey Krug. There were many college players from the area as well. Anyway, Marty was awesome and he stuck around for autographs and pictures. Here is a news report of the event with a video: (http://stamford.itsrelevant.com/content/19569/big-assist-vi-brings-together-athletes-for-a-cause). Anyway, it was a fun night and it was great to watch some live hockey in late July. Any Wallsters in the tri-state area who would like to attend the event next year, keep this website handy next year (http://www.ohhf.org/).

jratelle19


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:21 pm EST

Lombardi racked up 20g/30a/50pts last season...... Not that it's my 1st choice, but I believe Ryan could play center.... It should be our worst problem.... Can Stempniak play center?

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:09 pm EST

Yikes. That means Miller is the number 2 center. Or Lombardi!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:06 pm EST

MSL/Rangers from this morning on NHL.com ; http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727139&navid=DL|NHL|home

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:02 pm EST

RF: a little twist: If Brassard turns out to be a problem at, during, after arbitration, Brassard to the Jets, Kane to Ottawa, Ryan to NY Rangers.... we can make that lineup work too. and IF Nash has a good year, terrific......

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:58 pm EST

Bite your tongue young man, don't want anyone concussed... Hopefully the league is diligently phasing the head-shots and hits where the players are "leaving their feet" out of this game....... As for the L.T Disability Premiums, when you're serious, I can introduce you to a great guy at NorthWestern...

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:51 pm EST

Hash and bonging and mf Nash trade proposals. Peas in a pod! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:50 pm EST

So what would the premiums be for a policy to insure Zuke gets paid $6.5 million a year from 2015 to 2021 after he has to retire due to severe concussion suffered this fall?

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:49 pm EST

RF: Got some damn good H.S. hash stories..... Which brings us to, "Nash to Winnipeg, Kane to Ottawa, Bobby Ryan to the NY Rangers.... Krieder / Stepan / MSL..... Ryan / Brassard / Zucc ..... Hagelin / Lombardi / Stempniak ....... Glass / Moore / Miller .......

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:45 pm EST

Maybe you should start conjuring up hash trade proposals.....

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:44 pm EST

Mf: I think is less plausible than your Nash trade proposals! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:38 pm EST

seems like Lombardi is and was brought in to play center, that's where I'd pencil him in... As for Stempniak, if he doesn't fit on the LW with Brassard / Zucc, 4th line RW seems the logical spot....

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:26 pm EST

evets not an implausible lineup at all. If those top six are a given, I think the bottom six would be Miller/Lombardi/Hags, Glass/Moore/Stempniak. Lombardi is a much better center than Miller currently, and Stemp has good PK stats. Hags has previously stepped into his off-wing when called to.

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:18 pm EST

mf: I'm hoping that doesn't happen AGAIN... :)

Ranger47


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:16 pm EST

RF4L: Let's say you fell off your chair while you were Bonging away trying to stay young and you broke the arm you held your bong........... :-) ....... and it caused nerve damage..... and you ........ :>)

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:14 pm EST

Policies like that absolutely DO exists, look at Long term care & disability... (NorthWestern Mutual is a very good company)(http://www.northwesternmutual.com/ )... They protect one of your greatest assests, "your ability to earn." Naturally, the amount of potential earnings you insure for, plays a factor into your premiums. Your line of work would also be a factor......

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:58 pm EST

would be astronomical. If such policies even exist at all.

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:35 pm EST

RR: Not like I think you're thinking. I suspect the premiums to insure a player for a contract he doesn't have and hopes to get, especially when you're talking about way more money.

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:20 pm EST

Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello, Kreider-Stepan-St. Louis, Hagelin-Miller-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Lombardi, McDonagh-Girard, Staal-Boyle, Moore-Klein, Lundqvist-Talbot... I don't hate this roster and I think that Lombardi and Stempniak will bring a lot to the table for this team. Now, if one or more of Lindberg, Fast, Haggerty, Mueller (and to a much lesser extent Kristo, Duclair), etc. overtake some of the bottom six guys, the Rangers will be all the better for it.

evets1980


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:17 pm EST

RR -- if Zucc can take the opponents' clearing passes up the boards and intercept them on his forehand rather than his backhand, his options are much greater....he becomes more of a scoring threat and obviously he'll also be able to pass off of his forehand. When he pinches down towards the corner to block and/or start a cycle, he's starting on his STRONG side....he can whip a pass to the front with more accuracy or he can start a puck possession battle on his strong side. He can do more from his forehand than he can from his backhand IMO....more options. Yes, he's a wizard off of his backhand....he makes those passes look easy when they are not, but he could be even more effective making passes off of his forehand....he'll still be able to curl just as effectively IMO...he'll figure it out. I guarantee he'll be more of a scoring threat from LW....he'll be able to do his wrap-a rounds more frequently/effectively. I think he has 25 + G potential from RW. Just because we're used to seeing him mainly as a playmaker doesn't mean he isn't a hell of a lot more than that.

JFC31


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:30 pm EST

even that they can privately insure; and Im sure they have;

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:25 pm EST

RR: Or the agent is good and said to Zuke: "You believe in you and I believe in you. Therefore, if you're willing to risk playing on a 1 year deal for less money, you'll be a rich man 5 to 6 years from now because I'll get you a deal that will double what the Rangers will pay you on this 1 year deal. The only risk is you suffering from a long term injury that impacts jeopardizes your career."

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:12 pm EST

meant to say, sounded like they had the parameters of a long term deal, but they cant announce till jan. 15th. But Zuc's agent wasn't doing him any favors if he allowed a 1-yr deal to be signed without having a good idea of what they were getting back in term.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:10 pm EST

Totally capable RF. First time I saw him I swore he was a 75-pt guy; then Torts wouldn't play him for two years LOL; To me, there's a guy that can & should score points every night. Question is who's he playing with? A finisher, a real good finisher, can be the difference between 55 pts and 75. And it doesn't have to be a Reggie Leach type sniper. Kreider works for me. Id also like to see Zuke shoot more, keep the D honest. He scored a lot in Europe, won the gold helmet and everything LOL. Cracked me up, cause it's like a giant gold bullseye on your head haha...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:03 pm EST

Imagine if the Zukester has a great season - like puts up 80+ points (and finishes in the top 10 overall scoring)? He'll be looking at a long term deal next summer of over $6,000,000/per. IMO, he's quite capable of it, assuming the Rangers remain competitive. If so, it behooves Sather to start negotiating a long term deal with this dude now, rather than his usual wait until the last might crap.

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 12:42 pm EST

Think you're 180 off on that JFC; we touched on it last week but never exactly. Zuc needs to shake defenders coming up either wing, to buy time. Hes a lefty shot. Streaking down the left, his curl towards the boards leaves him on the backhand. Curlin to the middle subjects him to all kinds of back check pressure. Down the right, he spins 360 and is back on the forehand, and sees the whole ice. Very tough to do it from left . Not that that little'wizard can't, but I've noticed its just so natural on the right side, why mess with success? Let somebody else move. Anyway I think its Sather who needs to import a quality LW to replace the one we lost. Or it might be one of JT, Lombardi or Stamp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 12:27 pm EST

I would definitely try Zucc at LW before I tried Nash. Again, he has played LW in Europe and his skill set, creativity and vision will allow him to adjust much quicker than Nash. Also, since he is a left handed shot, Zucc will be able to get the puck off the boards on his forehand, rather than his backhand, which is what he has to,do,when he plays RW. This could be a very good for,Zucc and increase his goal scoring by having more chances to shoot quickly off the forehand rather than having to,dish off the backhand. Zucc's ability to cycle will also improve on the LW for the same reason....he'll be on his forehand more.

JFC31


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:40 am EST

Id consider all bets off when it comes to Torts experiments. The Nash/Gaborik treatment however was especially puzzling.

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:30 am EST

RF4L...yes but it was just Mr. Mister, mister

RF73


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:21 am EST

I think it's great that we have so much quality youth in the lineup & on the bubble. It wasn't that long ago, we had nothing. We are very young compared to many Ranger Clubs over the years. -- If NASH could prove everybody wrong & dominate (like we all know he is capable of) this year... WOW would that solve a ton of problems for this Team. -- CARCILLO must be resigned. Period. End of Story!!

hipcheck


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:12 am EST

Mess, in the other 20 games ha. Nah, under Torts & then very briefly AV tried Zuc on left early on and quickly abandoned it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:06 am EST

Wasn't Mister Mistered an 80's pop band?

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:31 am EST

when and why was Zucc playing LW? I don't remember that, and I want to say that I watched 60+ games last season (not including playoffs)

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:30 am EST

bad jokes are off-topic wall content

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:23 am EST

mf, so how can there can be something missed but not not something mistered?...sounds a bit sexist to me.

RF73


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:15 am EST

It's not what you missed, it's what you're missing. :-)

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 9:25 am EST

Nash is far better on the right. Was invisible just about every game I can remember on the left. same goes for Zuc. BTW, Nash led team with 9 GW goals. Next closest was Hags with 5.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 7:44 am EST

Stevie.... Nash is supposedly comfortable on either wing (listed as a Left Wing before he came here). Gaborik was also allegedly comfortable on BOTH wings. He played both at times in Minnesota.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 25 2014 7:35 am EST

Mats Zuccarello....“They have a cap, and then it was best to sign for one year. It makes me a free agent next year, but I am very happy to play on the Rangers. I feel it is my club and hope we have a good year.”

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 25 2014 7:14 am EST

is Nash a left wing or a right wing? if he's a left winger why has he been playing on the right? gaborik was pushed to left wing because of him. what did I miss? both coaches have played him on the right.

stevielegs


Fri Jul 25 2014 6:29 am EST

The key for John Moore is going to be what does he do with the puck? Too many times offensively nothing happened. Said several times he's a real interesting storyline this year, with all the experience he gained. And I think its something undervalued from the whole team, how much better are our younger guys going to be? It should be sizeable. Stepan in particular is a guy who needs to show more, should be primed for the best season of his career. If not, I've got little patience anymore for psuedo or supposed top centers that don't shoot the puck.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:44 pm EST

responding to the earlier banter between mf & stevielegs

RF73


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:38 pm EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-players-restricted-free-agents-salary-arbitration-file-reimer-subban-franson-eller-brassard/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:10 pm EST

RF73.... I'm lost, what does that have to do with Hockey?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:09 pm EST

Now allegedly, Brassard could get as much as $5.6 Mil per on a long-term deal(OJoe Pavelski makes ^$6 Mil pwe). Where does it end? That was the kind of money we were talking for a Stepan long-term extension last season. Brassard just hasn't put up the numbers to warrant such a cap hit. I mean he's been terrific in the post season, but where would the guy be without Zucc? JMO, but if his demands don''t come down the Rangers should take him to arbitration and explore trade options. Kadri is rumored to be available :) ....http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/brassard_could_get_56m_per_contract_door_not_closed_on_carcillo/16901281

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 24 2014 6:40 pm EST

All female things refer to men...menopause, guynecology, histerectomy, etc....women can only return the favor with herpes.

RF73


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:53 pm EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/07/24/new-york-rangers-should-let-derick-brassard-go-to-arbitration/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:17 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/7/24/5932917/financially-smart-extensions-leave-glen-sather-with-money-in-his

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:13 pm EST

http://rangersunlimited.com/2014/07/24/brassard-presents-tricky-situation-for-rangers/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:07 pm EST

Eller & Les Habs come to terms..... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727112&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 4:09 pm EST

St.Legs: Questions which begin with the word, "why," are critical in their context... I have no idea "why" the word menopause is used and not a word womenopause in relation to a period of a womans life. It could be that men do experience menopause, we may just refer to it as a mid life crisis.... As for knowing any men experiencing men-o-pause, who allowed you to leave the off topic Wall ? :->)

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:57 pm EST

Mf why isn't it womenopause? Do you know any men with menopause?

stevielegs


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:48 pm EST

Totally agree on J.Moore.... Pay the kid $1.25mill, give him a raise, and keep him happy......

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:20 pm EST

John Moore is so underrated it is ridiculous. He skates like the f#cking wind. He has Size, Youth & Pricetag on his side. He needs a good, fair contract. This kid skates his ass off tracking down pucks. He has shown some aggressiveness in certain situations.. He went after WEISE with a bloodthirsty vengeance in the MONREAL' series. I love watching him skate. One of the most "pure" skaters in the league. J. MOORE will be a D Stud when he puts it all together. Sign his ass!!

hipcheck


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:12 pm EST

maybe you're going through menopause

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:04 pm EST

Current Cap: $6,843,333 ...... This includes: Miller, Kostka, Hunwik, ON the roster, Jesper Fast sent down...... Brassard & J.Moore still needing to be signed, & a cushion left over

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:00 pm EST

For some reason, I'm getting the strange feeling NASH will prove us all wrong & resurrect his totally dominant play.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 24 2014 2:59 pm EST

R2000: Enjoy, http://capgeek.com/free-agents/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 2:38 pm EST

So, do we really have 6.3 million left? If so, maybe we should target a #1 center? I like Stepan but I'm not sold on him as a #1 until he scores 40 goals.Who's still out there we can sign?!

rangerfan2000


Thu Jul 24 2014 12:47 pm EST

Eller 56th in the league last season in number of FOs won. First on Canadiens in FO % among qualified centers. Was first among Canadiens forwards in hits, first among Canadiens forwards in blocked shots, and was sixth among all canadiens skaters in shots on goal.

Messier11


Thu Jul 24 2014 12:19 pm EST

Canadiens and Eller far apart on salary. Candiens offering 1.65 and Eller seeking 3.1. Eller scored only 26 points in 77 regular season games, but added another 13 in 17 playoff games, was in fact leading scorer among Canadiens forwards in playoffs. 25 years old, center, 6' 2" 215 lbs. Scored 30 points in 46 games last season.

Messier11


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:40 am EST

Rhet0ric/hipcheck - I'd bet a lot of the "non-interest" in CARCILLO has to do with the BRASSARD and MOORE contracts. Once they're out of the way, I could see the Rangers at least offering an invite to Carcillo for camp, if not a one-way contract in the $750k range. The Rangers actually need Carcillo...in a pretty bad way too. Sad they don't understand that, especially after the lack-luster start last year...when all the talk centered around the Rangers needing a spark. If for nothing else, sign the guy to play all the games against Philly.

tdchi


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:05 am EST

CARCILLO was an impact player for us. He can skate, he's smart, he fit in well, 2 huge playoff goals against our #1 enemy, he has ability to generate 4th line offense, he brings a swagger & he instills confidence in his teammates. He deserves another contract with NYR.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:05 am EST

Boyle wasn't about money he was about line duties. Wanted to pick his spot in the lineup. I just wonder how long until he's cruising TBs fourth

Messier11


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:05 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57562-NHL-freeagent-defenceman-Cory-Sarich-injured-in-cycling-accident-extent-of-injuries-unclear.html

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:00 am EST

$7.8 million

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:00 am EST

mf: I agree, Hank doesn't have to be at 8.5 per year. I love Hank and don't disagree with anyone that he is the face of the franchise. But imagine if he took 7.5 per year instead of 8.5? Maybe we have Boyle back or money to play with. I didn't like that signing/contract. I think it will hurt us.

davidsoc30


Thu Jul 24 2014 10:59 am EST

Quiet day, in Brooks article http://nypost.com/2014/07/23/rangers-kreider-agree-on-2-47m-deal-at-last-minute/ ..... he mentions trying NASH on LW with Brassard / Zucc.... I'd give it a whirl. Last year when Nash was on LW (believe during the playoffs) he was shooting harmless shots from the Leftside like 10 feet in from the blueline.. Don't need him for that, need him to carry it deep, set something up, or carry the puck around the back of the net to his strong side for a shot or pass, especially if he's drawing a defender out of position...... Better yet, trade his $7.7million Dollar ass to Winnipeg for Kane to the Senators for Bobby Ryan to the NY Rangers.. :-) ....... Esther's a hot Momma, Sather Sucks!

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 10:08 am EST

Jeez, Semenov.Those were the dark old days. Stamkos talking like he's looking forward to free agency. sather thought he had him years back. If he's still around, you know that old dog is gonna go after him - along with everyone else.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:29 am EST

Ryan Haggerty spoke yesterday at a charity hockey game in Stamford, CT and said that during his time around the Rangers in the playoffs he learned from players like Brad Richards and Marty St. Louis about how to conduct yourself, be a pro and show up to work everyday. (Stamford Advocate) Haggerty says that he has gotten to know the coaching staff a bit and how they work but understands that he won’t be given a spot on the team and that he needs to make his presence felt. (Stamford Advocate) He says that he is preparing to take the right steps to be the best he can be and ultimately play with the Rangers. (Stamford Advocate)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:58 am EST

Oh Rabid - Ruslan Fedotenko was a camp invitee!

DREW


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:56 am EST

Rabid - I am not sure if this is the level of "surprise" you were looking for but Alexei Semenov comes to mind. I believe he was offered a contract but signed with Dynamo Moscow. He was actually invited 2 years in a row......http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/semenov-says-wife-not-a-factor-in-his-departure-from-rang/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

DREW


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:47 pm EST

Think they'd prefer to move in a direction different from Carcillo, think they feel he's a marked man, and have other ores in the fire. Heard Carter wants to return to that swamp. That'd leave Winnick, all supposition on my part. Could be some $ involved one way or another. Hospo, remember Tik, that got ugly, the other one I remember oddly enough was Nedved, who was one of the best players on the team all thru camp, then cut loose. Ortmeyer snuck in. I can't remember anything from way way back, you never even heard about camp. They mostly just got together to drink some beer!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:38 pm EST

Per Larry Brooks.... "The Post has been told that though there are no plans at the moment to re-sign Dan Carcillo, the door has not been closed on the possibility."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:12 pm EST

HOSPO-Terry Kleisinger

Bob


Wed Jul 23 2014 9:20 pm EST

RABID - Not sure it fits your requirements, but the one that comes to mind is ESA TIKANEN Part III... Invited to Camp..lead the team in Presason..beat out kids and vets...Then went 40 games without a goal before being dropped....Other invites from the dark years that come to mind were ANDREAS JOHNASSEN who came out of nowhere and won a job and had a good year too..Probably others

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:44 pm EST

I was trying to remember some of the camp surprises over the years, guys when came from obscurity and won spots over the glamour boy of the moment. I know there have been a few last decade or so, but unfortunately my mind is just about gone. Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:28 pm EST

Stemp was actually a PKer and his corsi % has already been noted here. He's not my pick to be on the fourth, but barring a trade, AV is going to need offense with speed in a big body on the top lines and thats Miller. Good replacement for Pouliot. But lets see what happens with Brassard because if he goes all the lines are being re-drawn

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:21 pm EST

RABID - Sounds like your hearing what you want to hear regarding LINDBERG vs MILLER and Fast.???...Just busting your chops.....we'll see in camp..The Rangers are gonna need all these player over the year so, hopefully, we are all a little right..

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:15 pm EST

I agree I don't see Lombardi or Stemp or the 4th unit, but it could turn out that way for at least one, which means you've got a pretty deep hockey club. And while Lombardi doesn't have the physicality of a Dorsett, Stemp does, and BOTH guys would be HUGE offensive upgrades over the goose eggs DD notched. That'd be the AV recasting in his likeness in action. On the kids, the thing I look at is what they're saying, and these are two very understated men I'm AV & Cord Clark. I posted Clark's remarks on Lindberg earlier, but AV said more than once end of the year, we have young guys coming , we have to keep adding yoing guys. I don't think he's talking about Miller, though could be. And I can't for the life of me see what he likes about Fast other than he seems a conscientious player in his own zone. But offensively, and I did see some pizzazz from him at Traverse, but zilch at Hartford and even less in his cameos in NY. Who knows? These kids can surprise you, come up wit things you didn't know they had in their bag of tricks.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:38 pm EST

TDCHI - I just don't see Stempniak or Lombardi as 4th liners, which would leave Fast and Miller fighting for the 4th line postion next to Moore and Glass...And I really think Glass-Moore-Miller could be a real good 4th line to start the season..Then go from there and wherever injuries bring you..

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:30 pm EST

Hospo - I do think MILLER will end up with a spot, just because of the readiness he displayed in the POs and the utter dearth of physical players on the team. I'm just not convinced it'll be an assignment over fourth line. We shall see. I think the opportunity will certainly be there for he and FAST to make the team if they have a great camp...then again, that's an op I think any kid in Hartford could seize...those are the only two, though, that strike me as NHL-ready right now...lord knows what'll happen over the summer.

tdchi


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:22 pm EST

AV is going to decide to play Miller as a wing on the top three lines

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:17 pm EST

TDCHI - I actually agree with all of that on LINDBERG..But, to take it further,.I really don't see any of Miller, Fast, or Lindberg having an opening night spot except for an open 4th line spot or if there is an injury (not out of the question)...But, you are right, if they destroy in camp, while the new vets falter (I don't see that happening) then they should be in the lineup (2nd or 3rd line) by merit...Bottom line, both the kids and vets will get their chances this year and AV, not us fans, will decide who fits the team best (not us f

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:01 pm EST

sorry, I mean, top-six wings, not top-six forwards

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 5:59 pm EST

Miller will be a top-six wing on opening night.

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 5:53 pm EST

On LINDBERG - Here's the deal: The kid flies under the radar for the most part. He does everything good, but nothing spectacular. He had a very good first year in Hartford and, were I to make a guess, will return there and light the place up next season. In particular, he seemed to have real good chemistry with FAST especially the last time I saw the Pack play, which was at the end of the season. He didn't strike me as particularly fast(no pun intended) or physical. But he has a nose for the net and good playmaking ability...that said, if you're hoping to have him center a line for 15-17 minutes a night in the NHL --which is what AV needs out of his third line --you're pretty much throwing him in the deep end of the pool with weights on his ankles. Could he succeed? Certainly. But the probability of that happening at his stage in development isn't exactly high... Better for the Rangers to bring in a guy like LOMBARDI into the mix, set up the season with him and MOORE --two guys who are known commodities in the NHL --to fill the bottom-two center roles than to hope and pray a kid like Lindberg(or MILLER for that matter) can acclimate quickly to the fastest hockey league on the planet...the points I saw Lindberg score in the AHL were hard-fought. He worked for them...I'm not sure, however, how many of them would have happened at the NHL level...I don't have a doubt he'll be there one day...but giving him the reins of third line without having a backup plan is a big mistake...now if he comes into camp, wows everyone like STEPAN did a few years back and makes the team, it's an easy enough move to swap LOMBARDI to fourth-line wing and/or demote him to the AHL; or alternatively, demote Miller. But I would be surprised if that becomes the case. This isn't Muckler's Rangers. I couldn't say there's a vet on the roster that would hold a kid back from a spot he's earned with the team.

tdchi


Wed Jul 23 2014 4:57 pm EST

Again, the here & now meaning what exactly? I think in the context of the season & playoffs, because this year I don't care what they gotta do, bring me that frickin Cup. But I'd love to avoid that interminable wait of having vets and giving them their 20-25 to prove that yes, they really do suck. Remember how long the Pyatts & Lowe's and Ashams lingered. And all the while the team suffers, and the guy next in line suffers. But camp will tell the tale. Not much more than a month from Traverse so right back at it, what a nice change from the dark years missing the playoffs.

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