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Fri Aug 26 2016 8:31 am EST

https://soundcloud.com/nhltopshelf/talking-rangers-and-top-offseasons

stevielegs


Fri Aug 26 2016 7:30 am EST

Entirely possible PIRRI is a Matt Lombardi-esque signing and that he's put on unconditional waivers if he doesn't make the team...but absent that, he's a Rangers' signing. He's on a one-way contract, so it'd make zero sense to sign him with the expectation that he's going to Hartford...In truth, the only non-rookies on a two-way contract are JOORIS and CLENDENING, who I suspect will start in Hartford...I like Carp's point about him...that he's a shoot-first player on a team filled with passers...on a side note, this is one of the many reasons I think Yandle was ineffective...but I digress...On BUCHNEVICH and VESEY for that matter: Roster spots are for them to lose. Neither would be with the Rangers if they honestly thought they'd stand even a modest chance of spending a season in Hartford. The KHL, as weak as it is compared to the NHL, is still miles beyond the AHL. I'm sure the Rangers wouldn't mind Buch starting in Hartford to get his confidence up...but there's just no way he passed on more money and the AHL lifestyle to start there...if he gets demoted, it will take a lot of front office smoothing over for him to not be on the next plane to Russia...and Vesey...the guy could be lining up next to TAVARES or EICHEL...or playing in Nashville's top six...anyone who thinks the Rangers didn't all but promise him a spot in the starting lineup should really put down the hooch...Given all of this and the Rangers' existing lineup, the team has about threeforward positions --and ultimately two when LINDBERG returns --that are up for grabs among the following: GRABNER, GERBE, JOORIS, PIRRI, HRIVIK, JENSEN, GLASS, and LAPIERRE...Jensen, I believe, will be kept because he won't survive a waiver claim. And I don't for one minute believe either Gerbe or Grabner were signed with the intention or even thought that they might be demoted...Glass and LaPierre might as well pack their bags for Hartford, because there's no way either is making this team...long and the short: There's got to be a trade coming. Or Pirri is that much of a longshot to make the team, in which case I don't know why they didn't just offer him a try-out.

tdchi


Fri Aug 26 2016 7:10 am EST

so the forwards...nash, zucca, zbad, stepan, kid k, miller, buch, vesey, hayes, fast, glass, cheesy, grabner, gerbe, hrvik, pirri, jooris, lapierre, jensen, = 19 for 13-14 spots ....did i miss anyone?.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 26 2016 7:01 am EST

Ola maybe the nyr should get a picture of those 2 women and put it in the net and see who can hit those 4 objects...if they fit inside the goal ....see who still shoots wide ....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 26 2016 12:46 am EST

MF- http://m.torontosun.com/2016/08/24/no-penalty-for-drunk-hockey-players-full-contact-with-womans-gigantic-breasts

Ola


Thu Aug 25 2016 10:51 pm EST

CBJ is in a serious jam with the upcoming expansion draft. Very vulnerable...

E


Thu Aug 25 2016 9:08 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/jared-bednar-hired-as-colorado-coach/c-281418488

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 7:12 pm EST

StevieLegs: I actually want to see both Girardi & Staal moved for picks & or prospects.. I want to see the defense become a bit more mobile without relinquishing goals.. If AV emphasized a tighter team oriented defense from the forwards, perhaps we could achieve this, but who knows what your boy WeKnow is thinking? If we’re going to leg into transforming the defense as I stated, then Girardi has to go. If we’re going to go that route quickly, both G & Staal have to go, & soon….IMO Chances are they won't be moved at the same time……… I can see Staal traded for said pick/s & or prospect/s which will be a forward. (OAN, Nash I see bringing us a D'man) ……. Girardi on the other hand could be packaged with one or two others to bring us something we don’t have….. Example: The CBJ’s have built themselves a decent defensive 6, but Girardi could bring them an experienced Vet presence, he knows the coach & Dubinsky….. Now if he waived & agreed to go to Columbus, they have both Nick Foligno & Hartnell, my choice would be Foligno who turns 29 in Oct., is signed for 5 years @ $5.5mill per….. IMO he’s a guy we could really use….. So Girardi on the LTIR, nah, we have Cheezy for that spot.

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 7:00 pm EST

The NYR have been rumored to be after Brandon Pirri since before the start of FA. I guess they were waiting for his price to come down or his options to dry up. Either way. IMO, it's his job to lose(or win). Trade is coming. Fast and/or Lindberg maybe?

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 25 2016 6:36 pm EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/25/rangers-continue-to-add-forward-depth-sign-brandon-pirri/#sthash.av2Jjqn9.dpbs

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 6:33 pm EST

moof why aren't you putting girardi on ltir ?

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 6:07 pm EST

_Arc - Kinda disagree on all that,,,PIRRi is not the type of player you sign for the AHL...He's a shooter/scorer, nothing else...His effort and work ethich has constanly been questioned, that is not the type of player you want around kids in the AHL...PAILLE was the opposite, a hard working, tyeam-oriented, defensive firs vet...Pirri was signed to a 1.1 mill contract to be a Ranger...STUPID MOVE.......GORTON better have a move or two left, there's way too many bottom bottom of the barrel but still NHL forwards in the bottm six..and still a glaring hole for an offensive D-man...Can't see FAST on a 4th line with all those pics he has of AV and farm animals.....As for BUCH, I could easily see him not making it..big change for him physically and m,entally..and just might need a few months...why i think PIRRI was signed,...

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 5:52 pm EST

Pirri might be meant straight for the Pack. They seem to like some sort of Veteran NHL caliber anchor down there to give some stable scoring who could also be a fill in if there were to be a pinch. Kinda like Paiille was supposed to be. If true I'm sure it's a two way contract. I just can't see him being counted in for a roster spot (if there were to be a trade). I think Gorton has one more move to make though. I just don't see them sitting any of Fast, Buch, or JV in the top9 (step, Z, Hayes, Nasher, Zucc, JT, Kreids having 'locked up' spots). Maybe moving Fast to 4th line. Don't see Buch not making it or being sent down for extended periods of time either. He's held his own in prob the 2nd best league in the world which I think is superior to the AhL. Year different game but just look at Penarin. I think heel be fine

_Arc


Thu Aug 25 2016 5:45 pm EST

Looking around at all the useless Ranger Blogs that are out there and what they think the Pirri signing means such as.....Puts Jasper Fast on the 4th line...Can anybody that even remotley watcehd the Rangers last year see AV playing Fast on a 4th line? makes a forward (Lindberg? Fast?) and a D-man like KLEIN avaialble for trade for a better D-man...Did these bozos watch the Rangers last year and see how good KLEIN was? Gonna be hard to get abetter all around d-man than him iof your trading 3rd-6th line forwards......FOWLER is about the only RUMORED guy that makes sense now for the Rangers.....Somebody out of the blue ?

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 5:28 pm EST

According to the CBA, Assistant Captains can be traded.. ;-)

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 4:40 pm EST

RF: I don't read much into this signing. Just depth. We know that Gorto wants to make moves. So, I'm sure most of this will work itself out early in the season. I like competition.

E


Thu Aug 25 2016 4:23 pm EST

there goes that rumor.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 4:05 pm EST

Shattenkirk named Assistant Capt today for the Blues

tlats


Thu Aug 25 2016 3:59 pm EST

RF: Someone up there didn't like the Pirri signing... http://nypost.com/2016/08/25/three-dead-in-crossbow-attack-in-toronto-suburb/

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 3:13 pm EST

hospo hospital hopefully all 3 ....first 2 not as important.....quality is a haystack....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 3:07 pm EST

insurance or, as we have said, quantity over quality?

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 3:05 pm EST

little reason to clog up camp with kids hartford bound... but here comes the ' they need a taste of the nhl bs....give them tickets to a few games instead...

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 2:57 pm EST

plenty of insurance for the bottom 6, with hopes, dreams, and illusions for the top 6 as with the 7 d.....Hartford will have plenty of leftovers ....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 2:47 pm EST

Hospo I think you may be onto something there with the Rangers not being to sure about Buchnevich

tlats


Thu Aug 25 2016 2:35 pm EST

Has PIRI been signed or still specualton..Bad signing in my book...Guy is as 1-dimensional, streaky and lazy (when not going right) as they ...MIGHT he be able to help on the PP? Yes..maybe..but that's it...What's this crap about getting players that can do just one thing and suck elsewhere....It was a disaster with STOOL...it's going to be with GERBEL..and I don't see PIRI addong much at all.....Could mean several things....one, if course, is a big trade is brewing..and 2, they are not so sure about BUCHNNEVICH

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 2:28 pm EST

FWIW, I concur the signing of Pirri is puzzling from a roster makeup perspective. There already was s a glut of top 6/bottom 6 tweeners on this club and unless a trade occurs that involves Ranger forwards for d-man and/or picks and/or prospects, it makes no sense.

RF4L


Thu Aug 25 2016 2:16 pm EST

Pirri must have baggage - to drop that dramatically in a short period of time is just too odd otherwise. Interesting, however, that there doesn't seem to be anything out about that.

RF4L


Thu Aug 25 2016 2:14 pm EST

TD: 2 things on the Bolland deal: 1) No way could the Rangers risk taking on Bolland's contract with the intention of buying it out next summer because a) they'll get a cap hit for the subsequent 2 years and b) they need to save that space potentially for a buy-out of Girardi - if he stinks again this year (and at this point there's no way of being sure he won't) they simply cannot afford to protect him at next June's expansion draft and that can only happen if he's not on the team 2) Crouse has not developed in junior as originally anticipated when he was picked. Crouse was projected to be a top 6 power forward in his draft year but is starting to look more like his NHL projection is as a bottom 6 winger (his offensive numbers this past year flatlined compared to last year). There's nothing wrong with that of course but certainly that's a significant step back from what was originally thought. He played on the last 2 Canada junior teams and clearly showed (IMO) that he's limited offensively. I think he could be yet another in a long line of big, physical kids being over-projected as 17 year olds. That's not a given naturally - he's still only 19 with a year of junior remaining; there's still time for him to find his offensive game but I am guessing FLA and their scouts have come to the determination that he's not going to be a top 6 power forward.

RF4L


Thu Aug 25 2016 1:50 pm EST

Saw Pirri last year in Anaheim. He was underwhelming. Ended up healthy scratched some late in the season then got hurt.

Bob


Thu Aug 25 2016 1:46 pm EST

Hi, I'm Tom Carvel...and your not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7wj9UmcjYk

RF73


Thu Aug 25 2016 1:23 pm EST

trade Girardi for a Long Beach Road Carvel cookie puss cake

TradeStar28


Thu Aug 25 2016 1:05 pm EST

s/b: have a destination for GIRARDI.....

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 1:05 pm EST

Welcome to the NYR rebuild. We have zero top 3 talent outside a declining Nash, just 2nd, 3rd & 4th liners albeit with some promise…. Hopefully, the NYR have a destination “IF” we acquire Shitty Shatty Bang Bang……. I guess there was no reason to pull the band-aids off slowly……

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:59 pm EST

This stockpiling of forwards could mean that either the Rangers Are going to make a big trade including Nash and some young forward or maybe they have a taker for Staal or Garadi and have to include a top prospect just like Florida did today trading Crouse.

tlats


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:43 pm EST

JFC – Agreed…Gorton did promise that the 2016-2017 team would be a lot different…re: PIRRI – Not sure what the deal is with him…I remember the kid from RPI and he was sick…was perplexed when the Hawks were basically hanging him out as trade fodder and even remember wanting the Rangers to trade/claim him back then…was even more surprised by his trade to the Ducks. I don’t think he’ll crack the Rangers’ top six…and my prediction is that he quickly becomes a Wall whipping boy…Pirri is a very streaky player…when he’s on, he’s on…when he’s off? Well, he’s invisible. But I think he brings us to 16 forwards, including LINDBERG and JENSEN, who is gone if he doesn’t make the team…and sans GLASS, LaPIERRE, and HRIVIK…That’s at least two forwards too many…I suppose JOORIS and GERBE could go down…Pirri is also a center…Very strange roster the Rangers have going on right now…bunch of pieces that don’t add up.

tdchi


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:42 pm EST

Pirri's scouting report below sounds similar to Brassard. There were many doubts about him too. Sometimes a guy just needs the right situation to blossom. The fact that he shoots a lot is great on a team loaded with guys who pass waaaaay too much.

JFC31


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:37 pm EST

That was me about the 2 PM conference call to name captain. Just wondering if a deal including Berglund or Lehtera with Shattenkirk is going to happen. Cap hit needs to be balanced and Pirri didn't sign for Hartford IMO.

ME33


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:23 pm EST

I was shocked when Pirri was traded for only a 6th rounder.....was wondering why the Rangers couldn't have landed him....but then again, I wondered what the deal is with this kid that his stock would fall so low? I think it's worth a $1.1 mil flyer. Tic, tic, tic.....when the trade bomb gonna go off? Methinks very soon and it will be BIG. 2-3 roster players gone.

JFC31


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:20 pm EST

how many is that now 12 for the bottom 6 ?

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:18 pm EST

According to reports the St. Louis Blues will name Alex Pietrangelo as their next captain.

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:16 pm EST

nyr continue on quantity instead of quality...like throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks....the cap is good for these types....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:16 pm EST

Way too many forwards definitely see a trade coming in the near future

tlats


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:15 pm EST

NV94 - As the churn on Twitter suggests, this all but means there's a trade looming. I think NASH'S time as a Ranger could measured in days, if not hours. Think someone mentioned it earlier, but there's a 2 p.m. presser in St. Louis. Word was they are going to announce a captain...but could very well be announcing a trade involving a certain PMD...Pure speculation...but there's been WAAAAAY too much smoke around SHATTENKIRK and the Rangers...ironically reminds me a bit of the run up to the Nash trade.

tdchi


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:14 pm EST

trouba asking for 7 mil?....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:13 pm EST

(why they didn't sign Hudler, I don't know) BRANDON PIRRI: Assets: Has a wealth of skill and shooting ability. Can both set up linemates and finish plays off with aplomb. He shoots the puck often, too, which helps him produce good numbers…… Flaws: Is an extremely streaky scorer and generally lacks consistency. Also lacks a bit of bulk for his 6-0 frame and the physical strength to win board battles with regularity.....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7498

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:13 pm EST

PIRI? Interesting. Feels like a classic GORTHER dumpster dive. He definitely has upside. So, as I sit here and think about this on the fly it also feels like a direct challenge to HAYES. Unless the plan is to play HAYES on the wing, which I don't think is the case. If having PIRI around in camp lights a fire under HAYES' ass then I'm all for it. Maybe the PIRI signing is insurance against a STEPAN injury in the World Cup. Maybe this means that HAYES is going to be traded along with other(s) in a bigger deal yet to be announced. Didn't see this one coming.

Vic


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:05 pm EST

Where are they going to play him?

NV94


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:04 pm EST

I like PIRRI, but this move makes positively no sense.

tdchi


Thu Aug 25 2016 12:03 pm EST

Hearing NYR to sign Brandon Pirri. One year approx 1.1M

NV94


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:38 am EST

RF4L - I think the Nash-to-the-Panthers was more wall musing than anything else...I tell you though...I would have thought long and hard about grabbing BOLLAND if he was accompanied by CROUSE. Bolland would have been an easy stopgap until LINDBERG gets back...then bury his ass in Hartford and buy him out at the end of the season.

tdchi


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:36 am EST

NEWFIE: Agreed. But that only matters when you actually plan to shoot the puck. When you just pass the puck around for two minutes (like the Rangers usually do) it really doesn't much matter....;-)

Vic


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:35 am EST

Wow...wouldn't want BOLLAND'S contract...but to trade a former 11th overall pick to have someone else take it?!? Kitties had some great mojo going...had some real depth to their system...that trade was flat-out ridiculous unless they know something about CROUSE that no one else does....Coyotes are going to be a sick team in short order if they can ever find a goaltender...and the Kitties? They just traded away their best prospect to sign Keith YANDLE...Not sure who their GM is...but he's making a very good case for being fired.

tdchi


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:35 am EST

Ooops...the Panthers did this, not the Caps. LOL

RF4L


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:35 am EST

That Bolland signing a couple of years back was stupid and now the Panthers are paying the price. I think any notion of Nash going there can be dismissed - the Caps did this apparently to free up cap space for both this season (for a couple of late addition roster moves) and more importantly next year because raises are coming for a bunch of their younger players. They cannot take on Nash's $7,800,000 cap hit in other words, especially next year.

RF4L


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:24 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/coyotes-flex-cap-space-again-take-on-bolland-to-land-crouse-from-panthers/

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:23 am EST

SO.... The Yotes take on BOLLAND & his $5mill per for this season & 2 more to land CROUSE a 19 yr old 1st rounder picked at 11th overall from the Panthers........ I guess Florida is holding on to BJUGSTAD after all..... It seems to have cost the Yotes one second-round and one third-round pick, however the 2nd rounder has conditions attached............ Q: Does the acquisition of Bolland make HANZAL expendable ???

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 11:05 am EST

Both Lapierre & Jooris are RHS. They may crack the line-up, but top 6 or PP, nah.....

mf


Thu Aug 25 2016 10:58 am EST

Vic..........the best PP ever conceived is to have both the wingers and both D on their off-wing..... exchanging positions ,high and low as the play dictates......takes a lot of skill though !

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Aug 25 2016 10:46 am EST

SCHNEIDW: I think one of the many reasons why the Rangers wanted ZIBANEJAD was the fact that he was a right handed shot. I anticipate that he will be a fixture on the PP in the left circle. Yes, they lack right handed RWs but as a right handed player I always preferred playing LW. There are advantages and disadvantages to being on your off side. I don't think it much matters for a forward as long as the forward is comfortable playing on his off side. Much more important for D to be on their shooting hand side then for forwards.

Vic


Thu Aug 25 2016 10:43 am EST

SCHNEIDW - Thanks...But just becasue we agree, doesn't mean we're right! :).....Adding to the inbalance you mentioned, I think BOTH Vesey and BUCNNEVICH are left hand shooters also..no relief there

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 10:22 am EST

JIRI HUDLER- same age, same STATS! as Nash... $6M/yr cheaper.... just sayin'

schneidw


Thu Aug 25 2016 10:15 am EST

NYR: I don't even bother posting usually because HOSPO is my muse... always has great posts that 110% match what I am thinking... When I look at the NYR lineup it makes me cringe because they have no right-handed forwards which AV specifically noted was a critical element of his power play system... Watching Stepan play that role is painful, he has no one-time shot whatsoever... I am troubled by playing Nash, Miller, Zucc as RW... it causes imbalance... only RW shot is Fast and he belongs in Hartford...

schneidw


Thu Aug 25 2016 9:51 am EST

E - You enjoy watching Jasper?..Like I wrote before, he a good, smart, responsible, defensive player that the Rangers need..Otoh, Probably the last player on the team I want to waste time watching...I'd rather watch GLASS! Well, except when there's an open net at the end of game, the puck finds him and he piles up the points!, Anyway, Different strokes..for different folks.

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 9:18 am EST

Fast is further down the road to NHL polish in my humble opinion. He knows his role. He is confident with the puck and he is absolutely tenacious in all three zones. I'd clone him if I could. Great asset. Lindberg I see a lot of good in. Just hasn't found that consistency yet. Might find it, might never find it. Not sure yet. i think when he was bumped up due to lack of depth issues he for sure was out of his position offensively but in every other facet he looked competent and poised. And no puck handler got a free pass. Fast is one of my favorite players to watch. And one that flies under the radar to the Ranger fan eye. Offense/defense, PK? I like him everywhere but the PP.

E


Thu Aug 25 2016 8:46 am EST

TDCHI - How in the world can you say LINDBERGER is a very good bottom six NHL forward? There's just no proof of that yet.....He had a hot start last year and then disintegrated into nothingness last year..It could very well be becasue of injuries and/or AV, but it was what it was...Too often you extrapolate your like of a player or prospect and his success in the AHL, yes AHL, and proclaim him a good NHLer......Look,, I like LINDBERGER, I think he's an NHLer now (4th line/Black Ace) but think/hope he will grow into a good consistent 3rd liner....Just not there yet......FAST is a different story.....I make fun of the guy ALOT but it's mainly becasue of my distaste for the way AV loves and uses him in positions above his abiliry...FAST, unlike Lindberger, has shown he is a solid NHL 3rd liner (except for scoring--he just doesn't have it), a very smart and responible player , who gives 110% every game and rarely hurts you and can help in some of areas, especially defense...Doesn't mean I like him, he's a very boring player to me and doesn't make much happen, but I recognze what he brings..

Hospo


Thu Aug 25 2016 8:32 am EST

arc it's easy to confuse 2 words quick and fast..... but cheesy and wild ?....lol....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 25 2016 8:22 am EST

TD: I agree with you regarding the distaste shown to FAST and LINDBERG (to a lesser extent) around here. They are both solid, depth NHL players. Neither is spectacular and neither will ever get your blood pumping. But they are solid two way players who give consistent effort and do contribute. In FAST's case he has been more a victim of the lack of talent in the organization and specifically at the NHL level on this team. It isn't his fault that the Rangers didn't have a viable top 6 forward for much of his time here. He was asked to play in that role because they literally had nobody else who was better at the time. I don't fault him for that and I don't fault AV for using him that way. He didn't produce at that level when he was put there but he wasn't a disaster either. Hopefully he will be used more in line with where he belongs this year.

Vic


Thu Aug 25 2016 8:00 am EST

RF4L - I suspect Lindberg's lack of play also had something to do with his bad hip. Tough to say, just because the guy still played hard...but my guess is that he was playing 75 percent from January on. Agreed on Fast too...I tell you what: I saw a lot more offense from him in Hartford. He was dangerous down there...Seems like he plays a more reserved game in the NHL...I mean, some of it's assuredly the speed of the game...but I also think some of it is how he has adjusted his game at the NHL level. Seems like he's a lot more concerned with defense than he is scoring. I think both he and Lindberg can/will be solid 35-40 point players when healthy and playing regular roles.

tdchi


Thu Aug 25 2016 7:46 am EST

TD: AV isn't exactly enamoured with Lindberg. He gave him the McI treatment all too frequently for me in the 2nd half of season last year. Fast, however, he's in love with. I like both players FWIW, although I do concur Fast doesn't have anything close to Hagelin's explosiveness. Believe it or not, but I do see better hands on Fast and a better shot compared to Hagelin. Hagelin's explosiveness gets him more open chances but his cement hands usually result in shots either missing the net or hitting the goalie in the stomach.

RF4L


Thu Aug 25 2016 7:31 am EST

We all have our players we like or dislike for whatever subjective reason. And there's no mistaking either FAST or LINDBERG with all stars...neither is or will ever be one...but if I were to pick two players who lived up to their end of the bargain on last year's Rangers, it'd be them. Both are very good bottom six players who know their role and can step up to take greater ones in a pinch. I find the distaste for Fast the most perplexing, as the kid gives 110 percent and, while not AS quick, plays a game very similar to another Swede who was canonized here. And Lindberg? A kid who is tough as nails, good defensively in the center and likes to play in traffic...pardon if i don't understand why any fan would have a beef with him. Fast and Lindberg are the type of players the Rangers typically move at 24 or 25 so they can bring in some washed-up hack. The fact that they're both still on the team is a very good thing, IMO. That said, I don't think either belongs in the top six and understand why folks were getting pissed that AV kept putting Fast in that role. With the lineup as it is today, that should no longer be an issue. BUCH and VESEY will be the first to get a crack up there if a top six position opens.

tdchi


Wed Aug 24 2016 11:00 pm EST

Stevie- my bad; got my sweeds all f'd up. In that case it's friggin hopeless!!! Ha. Wild- wtf dude. I don't like the friggin guy. You can regurgitate all the useless stats in the world but at the end of the day the Pk sucked big balls and he was supposed to be THE guy for that unit and here's another good stat for you; Of the forwards he was on for the most GA!!!!!! Btw, I gots eyeballs and my eyeballs say his skating is over rated and he has little explosion/ quickness. Sorry I should've run that by you first; my bad.

_Arc


Wed Aug 24 2016 10:50 pm EST

Not sure I saw it posted here, but the Blues have a press conference tomorrow afternoon. Probably announcing captaincy, but could Nash/Shattenkirk be on the docket too? Please note this is not a rumor, just a long-timer speculating.

ME33


Wed Aug 24 2016 9:52 pm EST

TD: Depends on the kind of soup you're referring to!

RF4L


Wed Aug 24 2016 9:13 pm EST

VESEY SUCKS!!! Not as bad as soup though...

tdchi


Wed Aug 24 2016 3:16 pm EST

Hospo............. Bawawawawwawawawwwawwawawawawwahhhhhh

rangerlou


Wed Aug 24 2016 1:58 pm EST

rangerlou - For me? One game..if he sucks, he sucks....

Hospo


Wed Aug 24 2016 1:51 pm EST

Knuckles cracked and ready to blame AV.

E


Wed Aug 24 2016 1:48 pm EST

Hello Wallsters. How long will it take for the RFC regulars to start ragging on Jimmy Vesey. ROTFLMAO!!

rangerlou


Wed Aug 24 2016 12:53 pm EST

TDCHI - Just in case, I was not advocating Hudler for the Rangers, jut noted it as a good signing for DALLAS...I also like NICUSHI and have wanted him for a few years but I think that is a move who's time ahs passed with the signing of VESEY and the Rangers wanting to see what BUCH has....O also agree that trading STAAL without getting a D-man back would tunr the defense into a disaster zone.....Mcd_Klein; Skeji-Girardi, Hoolden-Mcilrath/Clendenning..wwill provide zero offense and worse defense without Staal...Personally, I only deal STAAL if i get a significant offensive d-man back in the same deal or a subsequent deal

Hospo


Wed Aug 24 2016 12:36 pm EST

HUDLER is a good signing by Dallas...and on the cheap...but he was simply not who the Rangers needed...not unless a couple guys from their top six got moved...good scoring forward, but physical play and defense are not really in his wheelhouse. Rangers needed to get more defensively responsible up front and they did that with their acquisitions....saw speculation...PURE speculation on Twitter that him joining the Stars could at last mean the NICHUSHKIN shakes free...and then more speculation that the Rangers could move STAAL for him...but...as much as I'd like that kind of move, it'd essentially be a lateral one for the team in the short term...maybe even a step back, as it would put HOLDEN in the top six, if he's not there already....and still wouldn't do squat to clear out the glut of forwards they have vying for the top nine...but Nichushkin would give them at least another player to speak Russian with Buch...albeit a guy who has been very inconsistent in his own rite.

tdchi


Wed Aug 24 2016 12:14 pm EST

Like the Rangers, the RED WINGS desperately need an offensive D-man but, as the following article indicates, they may very well go into the season with what they have and wait to make moves (http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-red-wings-will-go-into-season-with-current-d-corps-look-at-trades-later/ ) ........This article could have very well been written about the Rangers and their pursuit, and lack of trade so far.....Perhaps they stay as is also......Alot wil ldepend on the camp of players like SKEJI, GIRARDI, MCILRATH, HOLDEN and CLENDENNING...They have to find some offense somehow...

Hospo


Wed Aug 24 2016 11:15 am EST

T'was only a matter of time that Hudler signed... A talented Dallas team just got deeper........................... re: AV, hopefully he's got it in him to coach and strategize based upon the roster he has...........

mf


Wed Aug 24 2016 11:12 am EST

RF4L - Yes, so true...I was mainly focusing on the fowards just now.. but, you're right, this team stunk form the head down last year with AV being the biggest culprit of why there was no chemisty, no identity, no energy, no motivation and no chances after the deadline,....I also wanted them to bring in a vet leader in the off season as a hedge agasint AV, but looks like it will fall into the laps of guys like MILLER, KREIDER and MCD to provide...

Hospo


Wed Aug 24 2016 11:03 am EST

Hospo: Yep, lots of questions. Another big one: WIll AV change his ways? If not, I'm thinking all the other ones are probably irrelevant (or at least, not very significant)....

RF4L


Wed Aug 24 2016 10:24 am EST

As for the Rangers forwards..hmm..Anybody that says they are going to suck are nuts.OTOH, .Anybody that says they are going to be a force to be reckoned with is out of their mind.....The thing is there are so many questions (as is) and that this group of forwards can end up anywhere between very, very good and horrible.....So many Questions..so many things to be decided.....Do we get the return of the Rick Nash that knows how to score goals? Do MILLER and KREIDER, take the next step? Does ZIBA keep improving? Does Kevin Hayes get his head out of his ass and become a team player? Does MZA go back to the unselfish player he used to be? Is VESEY ready? Is BUCH ready?..Will the focus on the PK in UFA signings negatively impact the bottom lines elsewhere and was the PK problems a factor of the system and not the players? WIll the Rangers find a CENTER that can win FOs and help posses the puck?...So, so much to be decided...it's in the coaches and players hands...Personally, it's too many questions for me, but you never know.....And then there's the defense, the glaring need for a PMD/PPD, and who or what will be rtraded for one....if there is a trade..........Gonna be the most interesting camp and season in awhile...

Hospo


Wed Aug 24 2016 10:13 am EST

HUDLER signs with DALLAS...1 year for 2 MILL..Good deal for the Stars..They got themselves some offense down there...Too bad no goalie and the D still needs improving..

Hospo


Wed Aug 24 2016 7:52 am EST

Taylor Hall sounds like he's maturing into an insightful, articulate young man. If he was available for McD and Gorther elected to bypass that, IMO, that was a mistake. Elite offensive talent at such a young age doesn't come along like this very often. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/taylor-hall-not-easy-getting-oilers-trade/

RF4L


Wed Aug 24 2016 6:06 am EST

arc what surgery ? ...that's cheesie not quickie.....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 24 2016 6:03 am EST

_Arc: What in the heck are you talking about re Fast? His hallmark at every level has been his speed and quickness. At every level he has been a defensive guy with PK ability. He had 10 goals and 20 assists in just under 15 min per game of ice last season. That is 12:32 of 5v5 and 2:10 of PK time per game, and he lead all forwards in PK TOI per game. He lead all forward on the PK with blocked shots (19) and short handed hits (6). He was 6th in hits overall among F's (109) Second in blocked shots (55) and had just .13 PIMs per game with a total of 18. But for sure he not lacking in speed or quickness...he isn't as fast as Hags or Kreider, but few are...But he plenty of quickness to be effective, and as a 3rd line guy he gets enough points....I mean in his second real season he went from 0.24ppg to 0.38ppg. It wouldn't be shocking to see him get closer to .50ppg this season depending on his ice time. Or more importantly, he got 1.53 points per 60 minutes played....that number speaks regardless of your total points...it wouldn't shock me to see that number go up this season. I just don't get the negativity about the kid, he more than doubles his assist output from one season to the next...and improved his play without the puck a ton....also don't forget, last season was just his 3rd year in north America, and only his first without going up and down from the AHL, he is still learning the NHL game...and he really is quick and fast....

Wildcard


Wed Aug 24 2016 6:02 am EST

moof your morning and night song.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzlgJ-SfKYE

stevielegs


Wed Aug 24 2016 6:01 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fa4HUiFJ6c

stevielegs


Wed Aug 24 2016 6:00 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoAO0851FwA

stevielegs


Wed Aug 24 2016 5:58 am EST

moof.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAMt_XPvoQY

stevielegs


Wed Aug 24 2016 5:52 am EST

In case someone thought I forgot, Capt fugitive hopalong parmenter better lead by example instead of talk and prove he should be a Norris contender..... Learned something new the nyr have lsd men... I like Big Mac but he needs to show he deserves a new contract next summer with the nyr ... I'm pretty sure he knows and will do that...he's still fighting for a job and ice time .....as are all of the d ... Otherwise it's Hartford or trade bait for any of them... Take no prisoners....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 24 2016 5:24 am EST

Maybe Beukeboom as the new d coach will improve the d and influence the ice time weeknow doles out. ...:if girardi and staal don't rebound they belong on the 3 rd pair or black aces . If well coached and held accountable , the d will improve over last year.. But the forwards need do their job helping them ...otherwise fishboy has to step in and fix the main problem.... Veenyo ....there are no excuses anymore ....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 23 2016 11:03 pm EST

In response to an earlier post: Graves plays the opposite side (LHS) of McIlrath....... also in response to something that was posted earlier: if we can move both Girardi & Staal then the defensive corps undertakes a transition akin to our forwards (jmon, & a move that I'm in favor of) and that may help lift the cloud over the "D"....also IMO Holden can step right into the 2nd line pair on the LHS and replace Staal. Let’s see SKJEI unseat Holden & push Holden down to the 3rd pair. (& Holden comes at a savings of $4,050,000 vs Staal).... AND, if we can move Girardi & are forced to fly without a net for a while, we can try Klein / Glendenning / McIlrath down the RHS, and I'd like to see the NYR try that in pre-season............

mf


Tue Aug 23 2016 11:01 pm EST

Gorton should let "AV" negotiate with the "AV's" ... :->) ...... If that doesn't materialize, let him try out for the Vegas job, maybe Tom Jones or Wayne Newton can be assistants.......

mf


Tue Aug 23 2016 10:31 pm EST

Geeesh...McI a project. Yes I concur he is, as he was last summer. But if AV actually got over his dislike for the kid and played him instead of continually trotting out Boyle and Girardi, he'd probably not be a project now. Or in the very least, we'd know far better one way or another. Well, there's light at the end of the AV tunnel for him now: Next summer, if AV's inexplicable viewpoint continues, McI will an UFA and flee the organization for good.

RF4L


Tue Aug 23 2016 10:23 pm EST

And having Holden as a third pair defenseman? That ain't too shabby. That is as long as you keep your blinders on and forget Girardi and Stool bag are eating up a lot of ice time.

E


Tue Aug 23 2016 10:21 pm EST

HOSPO: yeah, I wasn't factoring sides on the depth chart. Just the body count. I don't think for example, Clandening is going to jump over McIlrath. I still think McIlrath is seen as part of the future core. He's just a project. But I also think the mode that the New York Rangers is a little different this season. There are some real young and inexperienced players being massaged into the lineup. Let's remember that Fast, Lindberg, Buchnevich, Vesey, Skjei etc... Are all going to be given lots of chances to succeed. Last season the New York Rangers were all in. It was one last shot with the existing lineup. The bar is still high as it should be but they definitely are a team in transition. Retooling if you will.

E


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:43 pm EST

E - Don't Holden and Mcilrath play Opposite sides?.....Both are impacted by whether Gorton makes a move for a d-man......No moves made, Holden could easily be the 3rd pair LS D-man..but if A RH D-man is brought in without Staal going out,Holden might just be the 7th D-man.......Still so many things up in the air..

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:39 pm EST

TDCHI - Mcilrath is not a MONSTER anything in the NHL yet...I agree he has a good shot...I also think he's a good enough skater to be a 3rd pair D-man in the NHL...and I don't think he's terrible with the puck either.But he also has alot to work on...acurate passes for one....and while he makes some good hits.He also loses composure and runs around trying to hit and whifs occasionally....All normal growing pains of a young D-man who should be on the 3rd pair.....But, if we don't pick one up, there's a possibiity that SKEJI mov es to the RHS or AV might look to the more mobile Clendenning...In both cases Mcilrath becomes and extra..

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:32 pm EST

I don't think McIlrath is a goon. He's a hockey player for sure. I definitely see him holding down the a slot behind Holden.

E


Tue Aug 23 2016 7:52 pm EST

The most common fan misconception I read/hear about McILRATH is that he's of the fighter/enforcer mold...This guy got branded with that label since the draft when he had the silly 'Undertaker" nickname...and while it's true he's a good fighter, that's not really the player he is. The guy is a MONSTER hitter. That's his best trait. And while the general thought is that we need some sort of uber-mobile corps of midgets running the puck every five seconds, Mack is a guy who will make forwards think twice before coming down his side of the ice. Being fast is great and all, but it don't mean squat when you have a defenseman who can time his hits with precision...Also lost in the narrative is that McI has a monster of a shot that is actually pretty accurate...and unlike some recently departed PMD, he actually shoots.Kid isn't a bad passer either...I don't know what's going to happen with him this coming year...but my suspicion is that he'll beat CLENDENING out for the sixth defenders spot and start there, barring a trade that moves GIRARDI or KLEIN...and that doesn't appear to be happening...I've kept faith that AV's handling of Mack is more on par with his handling of MILLER and that eventually...hopefully to start the season...will give him a regular role that doesn't involve the bench. We shall see...

tdchi


Tue Aug 23 2016 6:47 pm EST

Maybe he'll be better post surgery but I don't get what AV sees with Fast. He close to a big fat 0 in my view. Has no offensive ability or upside, pansy skater with no explosiveness or quickness needed for effective forechecking or pk. Wtf?

_Arc


Tue Aug 23 2016 6:37 pm EST

Funny when talking about toaday's NHLvs the old days of a fairly physical cchecking line as the 3rd line and hitters/energy/goons as a 4th line..Take a look at the 2016 Rangers and the 4th ine is likely to be it's wimpiest with Gerbel-Jooris and Grabner (unless Laperriere and Jensen make it instead---please),..and the 3rd line with Hayes, Fast and Vesey won't have a mean bone in their body..

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 6:34 pm EST

LeoS - Personally, I'd love to see Mcilrath get enough ice time so he could actually earn aand cement a reputation in the NHL as a feared hitter..His rep is mostly AHL stuff

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 6:18 pm EST

Personally, my 'fanboy' desire to see McIlrath succeed as a Ranger is exactly *because* of his reputation as a fearsome hitter.

LeoS


Tue Aug 23 2016 5:44 pm EST

JG: understand I'm not necessarily putting down the way a glue guy can create so emotion. Hockey is still an emotional game. And I love authentic emotion it's just fights are of really limited tactical advantage. It doesn't stop anyone from doing something. Thinking back to when McIlrath scrapped with Simmonds. Simmonds who some may not want to hear is a straight code guy. He did something that got the New York Rangers panties in a bunch. And I don't think Simmonds has ever been a dirty player. He is a guy that got a questionable shot in and decided he would stand up to any comers for it. Good for him. Hagelin trashed Alfredsson several years ago and half of the Sens team wanted Hagelin dead. Hagelin just skated off and kept playing. You can ignore McIlrath by virtue of not engaging him. That doesn't mean he won't look to put a hip in you because he will. It's just he isn't gonna give you that fight. What are you gonna do? Nice thing for some of the dirty little shits of the NHL these days is that they can punk it up all day and there is little you can do. Our very own Chris Krieder has driven several goalies. Why it doesn't matter but he doesn't give teams the fight they want. But he'll pick his spots if he feels like it. But on his terms he'd love it if you'd jump him. He'll keep the gloves on and enjoy the PP he just got for his team. It sucks but it is what it is. To me, the prime directive is to take time and space and finish your checks with authority. And for the most part having the discipline to keep it between the whistles. This is the NHL now. In the coming seasons fighting is gonna become more and more rare. I wish it wasn't because like I've always stated is I like mean spirited hockey. I wanna see some rough stuff. Call it a guilty pleasure. While I hate the premeditated obligatory nonsense fight I love emotional, gloves up hockey. But just like the typical shutdown 3rd line of defensive forwards has given way to becoming a third scoring line the game is a changing.

E


Tue Aug 23 2016 5:15 pm EST

only some other teams need rough guys who can play....maybe that's next year's formula.....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 23 2016 2:39 pm EST

So Prust invited to the Leafs camp. If he makes it, he and Matt Martin are going to provide a fine 2some for the young Leafs, something IMO they'll desperately need. Two of their key young players - William Nylander and Mitch Marner are small skilled players who will be vulnerable to intimidation tactics. Having Martin and Prust around won't eliminate such tactics, but they will reduce their frequency.

RF4L


Tue Aug 23 2016 1:11 pm EST

E: You are correct refs in middle of most fights, buy guys like Mcilrath, Prust and Graves etc provides a band of brothers, one team on the Ice. This allows other players to excel. Also provides the spark to get other players "In the Game", in my humble opinion! I have seen this last 35 years or so both on the ice and watching the Rangers!

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:53 pm EST

JG: there is no discernible evidence to reinforce the myth of rink justice in the NHL nowadays. Mcilrath demolished a Flyer defenseman, and then fought Schenn. What did Schenn do that would've stopped Mcilrath from doing it again? And please don't use the kicked his ass argument. Because very rarely does anybody get their ass kicked in a hockey fight nowadays. They just clutch and grab and wait for the refs. I like fights. They are just not what we want them to be anymore.

E


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:53 pm EST

Jerry - I l love the way Mcilrath plays and the protection he brings for the goalie ..and i hope we can keep him and play him on the 3rd pair...but I also think he's a tad over-rated here (still has hockey issues) given where the game is going, including the Simmonds "incident"

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:49 pm EST

Hospo: But theses guys are not cut from the old hard hitters mold, they can skate and score and fight and hit and protect. I remember last year in the pre season Simmonds trying to muck it up with some Rangers until Mcraith comes by, then Simmonds goes into hiding. These guys will pay dividends this season, and allow other Rangers to play with more confidence, knowing somebody got there back.

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:46 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/jimmy-vesey-leads-the-rangers-top-prospects/197122556

stevielegs


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:28 pm EST

Jerry_Garcia - I wouldn't worry one iota about that....As much as I love big hitters and physical play,.I hate to admit that type of player is becomingtoo few and far between

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:24 pm EST

RF4L - I'm not enamored with ELLIS but on second thought, you could be right and he could be a good fit...There just isn't much available for a PMD/PP D-,man...It pretty much starts and ends with guys like Shattrenkirk and Fowler unless Gorton can be very creative and/or pays a premium..Not an easy position to be in but still a mandatory. need...We shall see...

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:24 pm EST

Trading Mcilrath or Graves will require the Rangers to keep you head up when they return to the Garden. As for the coach, the bench is no place to hide either. Please keep the guys that will stick up for teammates. Garardy needs to go, as much as he has been a great player for the Rangers in the past up to the 2013 LA playoffs.

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:15 pm EST

Sucks about ARNIEL..Oh well, maybe Beuke can pulverize the weasel

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:14 pm EST

E - I think I agree with you, but I nodded off half way thru that..:)..Yep. luv Big mac..wish he was our 3rd pair RHS D but with Girardi, AV, it's very questyionable..May be best as a trade chip..and we DESPERATELY need an offesnive/PP d-man...Outside of McD, there are like 8 goals coming back on the back line..and nobody for the PP really..And I like SKEJI and his future too but there's a learning curve there....Rangers better get somebody...

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:11 pm EST

Chris Johnston ✔ @reporterchris Lou Lamoriello tells PTS that he sat down with Brandon Prust this summer before extending him a PTO with #Leafs. "There's no risk involved."

stevielegs


Tue Aug 23 2016 12:10 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/update-scott-arniel-not-a-candidate-to-be-colorados-head-coach/196341128

stevielegs


Tue Aug 23 2016 10:38 am EST

I'll trade Mcilrath or anybody else for that matter to see a contender. What do the New York Rangers need RIGHT NOW? A 1-2 puck mover or a 6-7 (maybe 5-6) hard hitting defenseman? Talk about a no brainer. The love affair with Mcilrath ends right there. And to echo the assertions made by Bob Mckenzie on NHL radio when talking about the New York Rangers defense. He was kinda flippant about the topic. Basically stating that the New York Rangers have Skjei and then what? Long shots to become impact players in the NHL. So, I'm not a massive Bob McKenzie guy but Mcilrath is not a feature piece. He is a supplemental piece. Add to this, if Mcilrath cannot win over the head coaches confidence then let's see them get in a guy that can. I do not think the New York Rangers fortunes rise and fall with Mcilrath. I do think he has an interesting skill set. And I'm not lambasting the guy. I just think he is that one arrow in the New York Rangers quiver that fans want to reach for as the answer. I get it. It's entertainment. I want to be entertained. Mcilrath brings a lot of emotion to the ice. He also is probably the toughest regular shifted hockey player that the New York Rangers have seen in a long time. But he is a project. And this may be all for not. If he can play the way that AV wants. That is fast, with the first exit pass and take away time and space and not be 2D. If he can be dynamic as more and more you need to see he'll play. After all, he is cheap. But not for one second do I value the guy as too important to think that he must be maintained even at the cost of a puck carrying defenseman. The single biggest asset that teams are looking for right now. And the ones most likely to demand the biggest returns. And the ones definitely most likely to see the most ridiculous free agent contracts offered and signed by teams. And one that the New York Rangers have none of. Not a one. That's the quandary. I'd love to see them hold on to Mcilrath. I'd like to see where his journey goes. But he is not the pivotal piece to the New York Rangers future and fortune. He is an asset. And in my eyes all assets are currency. And currency buys you what you need. And in my eyes no one should be safe from that. It's the jersey, not the name on the back of it that matters most to me. Players come and players go. And some moves you live to regret. Some become fan favorites, and some become cornerstones. And in my opinion this team is a four legged stool with a missing leg. It'll all come crashing down if it's not fixed. And I'll disagree with anyone to the end of time that thinks that the New York Rangers are addition by subtraction with Yandle. That argument will never materialize as something that makes sense to me.

E


Tue Aug 23 2016 10:04 am EST

TradeStar - well good that gives me hope because the trading deadline is NEXT year ;) Glad you didn't write 'season'!

LeoS


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:55 am EST

Bummer..... Per Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline..... Told former #CBJ coach Scott Arniel has not been granted an interview and is not a candidate in Colorado.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:39 am EST

Hospo: Who would you target if not Ellis? Hopefully not Shittenkirk - it'll be Yandle II and we'll watch him sign for too much money elsewhere next summer. Ellis has been playing 2nd fiddle offensively behind Weber (and now Subban) and Josi. He'd easily become the Rangers top offensive d-man if acquired. Plus like KK before him, he's got a very reasonable contract.

RF4L


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:25 am EST

Rangers are not gonna trade Ricky Boy Nash this year. Not gonna happen. So get used to seeing more #61 this year.

TradeStar28


Tue Aug 23 2016 9:02 am EST

Personally, i'd throw Mcilrath in any deal for good player in a New York second...Not because I don't like him, but because I am unconvinced he has a future on an AV coached team (and that includes Graves eventually moving up also)....Not so hopped up on ELLIS though, yes he would be an improvement on what we have offensively on the 2nd and 3rd pair, but while the guy is a decent 2nd pair d-man with a little offense he's not really not a fantastic PMD or too much of a help on the PP..I'd shoot higher or low ball them big time...I see no reason for NASHville to trade him, he's in a perfect spot on their roster

Hospo


Tue Aug 23 2016 8:15 am EST

I agree I would hate to lose Mcilrath too

tlats


Tue Aug 23 2016 7:17 am EST

No way would I include McIlrath with Nash to land Ellis... Maybe for a franchise 1st line center, buy not Ellis, pass...

mf


Tue Aug 23 2016 6:58 am EST

Count me in on the Ryan Ellis bandwagon. Very good offensive d man and is pretty good on the defensive side too. 25 yo can skate very well and a great cap hit at 2.5 million for the next 3 years. I think it would have to be Nash and either Mcilrath or someone like Graves. I also think we would have to retain some salary on the Nash contract. Nashville would have to throw in a draft pick. I would hate to lose Mcilrath because I think he will become a very steady 5-6 D man in this league but you got to give to get. Ellis would be my pick over a guy like Shattenkirk mainly because of the salary Shattenkirk will demand after this season.

tlats


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:47 pm EST

mf: Suspect Nash won't fetch Ellis and a first. Maybe the second rounder. Still worth considering however IMO.

RF4L


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:12 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/8/21/12493184/just-how-good-is-ryan-mcdonagh-evaluating-best-defensemen-nhl

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:02 pm EST

Wild: Yes and the Rangers can buy out Girardi then. If they need to and if they need to I strongly suspect they will. Makes no sense when you're trying to get younger and faster to lose a younger faster player because some rule says you gotta protect an overpaid aging and ineffective veteran unless you buy him out. Hopefully, it won't come to that....we'll see soon enough into the season I suspect.

RF4L


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:45 pm EST

the buyout window is 48 hours after the cup finals end until the day before UFA opens. The lists need to be in by the 17th of june.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:39 pm EST

Hospo: understanding we are all in a win now state, I am not getting younger and my window of opportunity for this team winning a cup in my lifetime is waning. However, my point is strictly related to Shattenkirk; we would be giving up a lot to get him and I think we can wait and get him for money rather then expending resources. I think there may be better options out there.

Steve443c10


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:25 pm EST

RF4L: There is a buyout window after the season for like 48 hours or something I thought...but in any case its before the expansion draft protection lists have to be in so teams can makes those moves first.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:11 pm EST

mf... if it's Nashville, I'd want to see what it would take to get both Ellis and Kevin Fiala instead of the pick.

evets1980


Mon Aug 22 2016 6:20 pm EST

RF: was re-reviewing the Pred's lineup for a potential Nash trade... So, Nash for Eliis and their 1st or their 2nd (#20 & or #51 respectfully)??? Interesting to weigh: they get the superior talent & offense signed for only 2 more seasons, we get a much needed PMD’man signed for 3 yrs at $2.5mill per, cap relief, younger & a pick………. Hmmmmm……..

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 5:45 pm EST

Wild: What buyout window are you referring to? Players can be bought out anytiime AFAIK. I think if Girardi struggles and/or cannot be moved, he'll be bought out at season's end. It'll hurt but protecting him and Staal is just plain bad business. Of course, lots can change (like he gets moved or Staal gets moved or both KK and McI get moved).

RF4L


Mon Aug 22 2016 5:45 pm EST

HOSPO: agreed. Sorry state of affairs

E


Mon Aug 22 2016 5:04 pm EST

HOSPO: The question becomes. Wht does the TEAM think of this season. Not their public face of "we are here to win the cup" but the true feeling. Do they think that with the influx of younger players, including Z taking the place of Brass, and the young kid or two on D, Along with the possibility of one of the Staal/Giradi duo being moved at the end of this year or bought out before the expansion draft (there are reports of a buyout window prior to the draft) and or other trades at next years draft, that this season is a transition season, and the chances at the cup are low due to that, regardless of the D situation? If they feel that way than there is no reason for them to try to spend any assets to get any player. Other moves prior to the season or during the season may tell us their feelings more. If they however feel that this group could really compete to come out of the East than its worth giving to get. Since we can't know this, its hard to guess what they will even attempt to do.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 22 2016 4:31 pm EST

In other words, "accept to be traded there."

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 4:21 pm EST

Steve443c10: Detroit was written up as willing to part with Nyqvist and or Tatar in exchange for Dmen.... I have no idea why anyone would want to live there though.

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 3:50 pm EST

Steve _ What's the rush? If you want to win this season (O know most people around here care more about kids than winning) They desperately need a top 4 offensive D-man..It Doens't have to be Shattenkirk , but it should be soembody...or we'll see a right side of the D looking like Klein-Girardi-Clendenning/Mcilrath...No thanks

Hospo


Mon Aug 22 2016 3:41 pm EST

What's the rush in giving up assets for Shattenkirk? Rumors are he wants to be a Ranger, let him play out the year in STL and next July sign him as a free agent for money. Face it we are not getting rid of Girardi or Staal anytime soon. JMO the trades you don't make are usually the best, I believe both Girardi and Staal not given the crazy minutes will have bounce back years and guys like Skeij and hopefully McI will get more minutes and thrive. Everyone knows the Rangers want to part with those guys and no one is giving up anything for them right now, they have to prove they have value, right now it is very low. With expansion coming next year we need to expose players and that is something Gorton needs to keep in the back of his mind as well...

Steve443c10


Mon Aug 22 2016 3:34 pm EST

E - And I'm not questioning that lack of skill..Just that even without that skill, he was a better option than half the apathetic and pathetic Rangers down the stretch...And I won't be surprised to see the same thing happen again under AV

Hospo


Mon Aug 22 2016 3:29 pm EST

Events: just checked STL and they are NOT carrying any buyouts which we could take off their hands, so we could eat some of Nash's contract in an amount that gets the deal done, all the while being cognizant that we may need to eat Girardis contract in any buyout....

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 2:52 pm EST

I'm not doubting Glass' heart or intestinal fortitude. It's his skill.

E


Mon Aug 22 2016 2:50 pm EST

mf... Why do you think we'b be able to move Nash to St. Louis for Shattenkirk AND be able to get an additional piece like Schmaltz in the deal?? In an interview, Jeremy Rutherford said that in order to bring on Nash's salary, the Blues would have to send one of Jori Lehtera or Patrik Berglund the other way and to make this trade happen, I'm thinking it's the Rangers that would have to sweeten the pot, not the other way around. Now, if they could expand the trade to include someone like Schmaltz OR instead of Lehtera or Berglund, be able to bring back Justin Schwartz, I'd be ecstatic. I'm wondering if maybe Nash, Fast, and perhaps Tambellini would be enough for Shattenkirk and Schwartz.

evets1980


Mon Aug 22 2016 2:32 pm EST

E - Glass only was recalled from Hartford and played last year because the other guys sucked or didn;t give a shit ..WHich Glass sure enough did!!!The same should happen this year because of his contract....Hopefully the players don't give him the same opportunity as they did last year and, if they do, AV will be gone already

Hospo


Mon Aug 22 2016 2:30 pm EST

Great now with GLASS gone we should win every game, because he was clearly this teams biggest problem last year.

ref24


Mon Aug 22 2016 1:52 pm EST

on s/b until

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 1:50 pm EST

That Scouting Report was for SHATTY not Hudler.... (friggin A.D.D.) ..... and we may not necessarily need to sign Hudler, just stating that he's still available....... And, there is still a chance Girardi & or Staal will waive.... As far as Girardi & his production are concerned, I got to believe there's plenty of hockey left in this guy and if we need to move him while his value is low, so be it, it's a business decision.... At this time I can't envision him being here past the trade deadline and using up a "protection spot" of 1 of 3 allocated for defensemen in the upcoming expansion draft.... As Rhet so generously confirmed, the expansion draft is right arounf the 3rd week of June, and Girardi's contract doesn't shift to "partial no trade clause" on July 1st...... As presently contracted the Rangers are mandated to protect him.... Can we play him until the trade deadline and buy him out then? or can a buyout only happen at certain times of the year? (I'm too lazy to research this) jmon & thanks

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 1:43 pm EST

MF: Glass cleared waivers. If you waived him and he got picked up? Awesome! If not? Off to Hartford you go. Either way I can only imagine very few games where Glass has a role. Maybe in some of the division rival games that want to stack up on the rough stuff.

E


Mon Aug 22 2016 1:25 pm EST

So, what is the biggest hole in the Rangers bucket? Lets go with PMD for arguments sake. (however, I don't want to argue :-)) Big ""IF"" we can trade NASH for SHATTENKIRK & say SCHMALTZ (with a name like that he has to be in NY or god forbid Brooklyn) ...... As stated, they're both RHS & Schmaltz could really balance out the depth of our upcoming defensemen albeit on the RHS...... Shattenkirk is 4.75 years younger than Girardi and he wants to wear a Ranger jersey! He plays an aggressive sand paper abrasive style of game, he can skate, decent puck control & vision ...... Moving Nash's contract allows the NYR to hold on to Girardi for the time being if we have to.... Math for thought: there are a total of 246 games to be played by any 3 D'men (our RHS d’men for this example) divide this number by 4 and you get 61.5 games... So if AV gave each RHS D'man the night off every 4th game, Klein / Shattenkirk / Girardi / & McIlrath would each play 61.5 games this season..(AV can duplicate this approach on the LHS too with McD / Staal / Holden / Skjei…. What’s the issue???.. AV the schmuck should have done this last season, and with the poor play of Girardi & Boyle this approach was warranted. (jmon) ... Factor in Back-to-Backs and injuries and this is as acceptable approach to dolling out TOI this upcoming season as any, AND, theoretically we'd have fresh legs for the Playoff run............ Losing Nash will hurt and be felt, however, it will allow the club to continue to transition to this now younger core, and give the Ranger Brass an opportunity to gauge and develop chemistry…. Broken Record time: Jiri “The Hoodler” is still unsigned, and should be good for 30-45 points, possibly a very good a stop-gap as available, I don’t understand why he is still unsigned…… SCOUTING REPORT ... ASSETS: Has excellent offensive capability and all-round acumen. Good in transition, his quickness, talent and poise with the puck are assets. Can make an impact on the power play. Not big, he's stronger than he looks and will use the body effectively. FLAWS: Can struggle against bigger forwards in front of his own net, as he isn't the biggest or strongest defenseman in the league. When he isn't on top of his overall game, he goes into defensive slumps and can be somewhat of a liability in his own zone. CAREER POTENTIAL: Quality offensive defenseman. .... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-kevin-shattenkirk-trade-rumors-not-going-away/ ................... Jordan "Chicken" Schmaltz: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9503

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 12:56 pm EST

rangerlou: I have driven the trade T.Glass bus often... It's NOT a hate thing at all. It's that the man has well below avg pull handling and control ability when he finally gets the puck on his stick.... The roster spot can be significantly upgraded and possible for $500K less..... jmon

mf


Mon Aug 22 2016 12:22 pm EST

Hospo: Yep!!!

RF4L


Mon Aug 22 2016 11:59 am EST

Tdchi- Go to NHL.com, search for BJUGSTAD and hit any video link with him on it that you can find. You will notice after watching him skate for 5 seconds how horrible he is on his skates. Easily one of the worst in the league.

Ola


Mon Aug 22 2016 11:35 am EST

RF4L - While I agree that a trade SHOULD be brewing it's because we need an offensive D-man not just because we have "depth" or, more accurately "quantity over quality"..It also amazes me how all these bozo bloggers forget how piss poor the TOP Ranger forwards were at possessing the , winning the puck and defensive responsibilities

Hospo


Mon Aug 22 2016 11:22 am EST

I don't get the Tanner Glass hate????? He always showed up. Led by example and stood up for his team mates. That's more then I can say about 70% of our NYR team.

rangerlou


Mon Aug 22 2016 11:21 am EST

tlats: LOL...that dude's insight is mind-boggling. LOL...

RF4L


Mon Aug 22 2016 11:01 am EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2016/08/22/new-york-rangers-trade-brewing/amp/

tlats


Mon Aug 22 2016 10:03 am EST

Hospo...Agreed on Glass...Was the least of our problems...Not sure where all the hate comes from....

PJ


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:55 am EST

STEVIE - I know, there were severalbozo bloggers that harped on Glass all year as if playing him was the thing holding the team back...From what I could see over the last monthe he was one of only a handful of players that always played with pride and drive...Again, another indictment of the poor job done by AV...And why should it change...No new coaches....No new leaders brought in? The only chance is if Guys like JT MILLER realy step up into the leadership vacuum..and McD stops letting his team get away with shit..

Hospo


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:44 am EST

Hospo hospital carp didn't write that... I have zero faith in weeknow getting any team to win the cup...close but no cigar ....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:37 am EST

E - That article was a piece of shit fgrom a gut that always lambastes Tanner Glass...You know, some times he deserves it, but damned if the 4th line with Tanner Glass wasn't often the best line we had in the last month of the season..The problem were the skill guys without heart and effort, unable to control or win the puck...AV had as bad a year as you can have last year and should have been canned...The team had zero chemistry, saero identity and sero mitivation,,,,,But he's back....Will things change becasue we got a few different players? I'm not so sure.............As for what type of team the Rangers are now, don't jump to conclusions that they are not going for it again this year and the next...I agree it looks right now that they ware happy being a decent bottom half PO team.....All depends on what they decide to do with the GAPING HOLE on the defensee..If they let it ride, they are more serious about building/retooling then winning ..we shall see

Hospo


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:20 am EST

I cannot argue too much with that article. Definitely, puts additional support for my stance that my personal feelings aside AV should not be fired right now. But I also think that his mandate has changed a bit from last season. Last season was the final "all in" adventure. I don't think that is this coming season. This season is retooling and setting the team on the right course to keep it as an upper echelon team in the NHL. More of a developmental season. This is AV's most crucial season with the New York Rangers. I think the team that he inherited was ready to win a cup. All the pieces were there. Some small changes here and there to get more of what he wanted. But when that failed and last season crashed I think we all know that the "window" was not open like it had been. So, my expectation is that younger players will be given as much ice time as they can handle and that as much youth as possible is injected into the lineup as possible

E


Mon Aug 22 2016 9:05 am EST

The Curious Case of Alain Vigneault By Andrew Chelney The vast majority of New York Rangers fans were joyous when the club announced it had fired head coach John Tortorella on May 29, 2013, four days after being eliminated in the conference semifinals by the Boston Bruins in five games. A week prior to that, Alain Vigneault was let go by the Vancouver Canucks following a first-round sweep by the San Jose Sharks. Ironically, the two coaches switched headquarters, with Tortorella hired by Vancouver, and Vigneault signed by the Rangers. Following some initial growing pains, the Rangers finished second in the Metropolitan Division, but ultimately fell to the Los Angeles Kings in what was its first trip to the Stanley Cup Final since 1994. This was Vigneault’s second attempt and second loss at the Cup — the Canucks dropped Game 7 to the Boston Bruins in 2011. Tortorella’s struggles lingered, meanwhile, and for the first time in six years, the Canucks failed to make the postseason. The 2014-15 season also fared well for New York, as it finished at the top of the league with 113 points, winning the Presidents’ Trophy for the first time since 1993-94. The Rangers beat the Pittsburgh Penguins in five and squeaked past the Washington Capitals in seven after being down three games to one, but crashed and burned against the Tampa Bay Lightning. The Rangers were shut out in Madison Square Garden in games 5 and 7, forcing many fans to start asking questions. The devastating brain injury to Mats Zuccarello that forced him to sit out could hold some of the blame, but a seed of doubt on the coaching staff was placed in some disappointed viewers. Last season was anything but smooth sailing. The Rangers started well, but tumbled in November and rode their early success to a playoff spot. Vigneault’s lineup decisions were mediocre at best, opting for Tanner Glass instead of more crucial players like Jesper Fast or Oscar Lindberg. Successful NHL teams no longer employ ‘gritty’ enforcers to play on their bottom lines. They instead rely on skilled forwards that have the ability to put the puck in the net when called upon. Neither the Pittsburgh Penguins nor the San Jose Sharks had a designated fighter on their team, yet both made it to the Final, with the Penguins emerging victorious. AV continued to scratch a skilled player to insert a forward with minimal offensive skills and that didn’t fare too well in the defensive zone either. AV’s defensive decisions were putrid as well, sitting Dylan McIlrath or Brady Skjei in favor of declining Dan Girardi and Marc Staal, or ‘The Wonder Twins’, as fans have lovingly called them. Not only are they both mediocre, but these young players are sitting in the press boxes instead of learning on the ice and putting their skills to the ultimate test. The Dan Girardi argument from those that support him isn’t solid. While it’s true Girardi has been “loyal” and has played through injuries that make him a “warrior”, the NHL is a business. Players shouldn’t get special treatment if they don’t deserve it. Basic statistics clearly show Dan Girardi has been a severe detriment to this team (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/what-we-learned–dan-girardi-is-an-embarrassment-for-rangers-134923936.html) , and Marc Staal hasn’t fared much better. However, reducing minutes and putting them on the ice against lower-skilled players should be beneficial, that is if AV has realized his errors. The eventual Stanley Cup Champions, the Pittsburgh Penguins, obliterated the New York Rangers in the first round. Newly appointed general manager Jeff Gorton has addressed some issues this offseason, acquiring some depth players to address the penalty kill, Nick Holden from Colorado to help the blueline, as well as stealing Mika Zibanejad from Ottawa and signing free agent Jimmy Vesey. The biggest question mark here is whether or not Vigneault can correctly decide which players to dress and when to send them out. Tanner Glass under no circumstances, for example, can make the team. Also, with more than seven qualified defenseman on the team, look for Gorton to continue to look for possible destinations to move Staal. If Staal and Girardi remain on the roster on opening day, AV cannot give them top minutes if he wants his team to enjoy success. The Rangers certainly have the pieces to make another run for the Cup, save a trade to upgrade the blueline. Henrik Lundqvist isn’t declining, the offense is deadly as ever, but the defense remains a big question mark. Keith Yandle, the perfect offensive quarterback who was blatantly misused by AV, is gone. The power play will now greatly suffer, and it will be a struggle for Vigneault to find someone that’s half as good in the same situation. In a hypothetical situation, if AV were to get fired tomorrow, there are no available coaches that can do a better job. Vigneault’s biggest flaw is his inability to recognize who and when to deploy, but even with this negative, he’s been to two Stanley Cup Finals while enjoying major regular season success. If the search for a new coach commenced, Vigneault would still be the best available option. The solution is hoping Alain can learn from prior mistakes and start to realize who deserves how much ice time. If he doesn’t, the New York Rangers are in for a long season.

RF73


Mon Aug 22 2016 8:38 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/22/guest-blogger-andrew-chelney-the-curious-case-of-rangers-coach-alain-vigneault/#sthash.RsATnxPj.dpbs

stevielegs


Mon Aug 22 2016 8:26 am EST

Every year teams want to copy the cup winners system . ... Too late ... Just what will win it next season won't be known until June 2017....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:56 am EST

E: Trouba has 3 years in the NHL and last year statistically was his worse - he regressed in other words, at least statistically. Am I saying he's no good? Of course not. But given the Jets cap situation and the fact that 3 d-men are eating up $19,000,000 combined, the Jets cannot afford to sign Trouba at a hefty salary at this point. And what if they do and he regresses further this season? Potential disaster in the making. So many of these young players coming off ELC are looking for the big pay day. Most aren't deserving. A bridge deal is far more sane from the team's perspective - then let the player get the big bucks if his play warrants it. That part of the salary structure Sather (and now Gorton) has done correctly, thank goodness.

RF4L


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:44 am EST

As for BJUGSTAD, I think the kid has yet to reach his ceiling. Never heard him described as a slow player. Think he could easily be a 50-point players in the near future. Good at faceoffs and a large guy who likes crowding the net. My one qualm with him is that he gets paid a little too much to be a bottom six player. But he'd be a nice add. Don't think I'd do Nash straight up for him...but perhaps him and a nice prospect or first rounder.

tdchi


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:39 am EST

I love how the Pens are suddenly the recipe for success, even though it was a team that for a while wasn't even a serious playoff contender...We're not even three years removed from the last time the Kings won the cup with a lineup jam-packed with knuckle draggers and troglodytes. The Pens' one cup with speed is what it is: One cup. Speed is certainly important...but it's not like the end-all. Just because you have a bunch of burners in your lineup doesn't mean you're going to cruise to the cup. A lot of what gets lost in this assumption that teams must be uber fast is the other end of the equation, which is the Sullivan-Tortorella brand of trap. Almost every time the Pens got their speedsters loose for a breakaway, there was a blocked shot/turnover in the defensive end that sprung them...And I don't really get this notion that the Rangers are a slow team...I agree their back line isn't as mobile as I would like...but their forwards were plenty fast last year. What they didn't get was the lights-out defense the Pens put up.

tdchi


Mon Aug 22 2016 7:12 am EST

E and Arc- For sure. And I mean, I don't even think it's absurd to argue that a player being 6'3-4 is a negative in comparision with players that are around 6' after what we have seen the last two years. With that said, we know that there are more than one way to win in this league. If Detroit wins it with skill everyone will praise skill, only to see it Boston win a year or two later and size is the way to go. These trends can change fast. Not saying it's wrong to look for a bit of size, it can't rule out that it is. BUT, undoubtedly skill has just been tremendously successful in the league the last years. And ON SO MANY LEVELS. The top scorers are small and fast. So many of the top Ds are finesse guys. Matt Cullen was the 4th line center of the cup winner. Depth players. And so forth and so forth.

Ola


Mon Aug 22 2016 6:33 am EST

there maybe a couple of guys fishboy can move, but i doubt he will. ...now it's up to coach weeknow to put a roster and TEAM together....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 21 2016 11:25 pm EST

RF: when I look at defenseman contracts? Trouba shouldn't sign for a penny under 5. That doesn't make him less a teammate or team guy. It's fair market value. Given his upside paying him for example 5.1 over 4 might look like a bargain in a few seasons. The cap is not growing comensurate with contracts. And defenseman are even more out of whack. When I saw what Yandle got, down to what Barrie and Dumba got? Clearly things are out of control. If I'm a defender I wanna get paid. I rarely intersect money and teammate issues. Business is business and every player is going to have an agent looking out for their financial interests.

E


Sun Aug 21 2016 10:22 pm EST

TD: If Trouba is offered a $4,500,000 bridge contract and elects to hold out instead then for me, the Rangers stay the hell away because he's a me-first, team a distant second prick-job who does not deserve to tarnish the Ranger jersey.

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 8:45 pm EST

Arc: Pitt, Chicago, and TB have now shown us that a classically undersized team with lots of wheels can be very dangerous. The NHL is moving to a place where the premium is on speed. The good thing is that the New York Rangers have the potential to be very effective. They have some real size on the wings with wheels. And on defense guys like Skjei and McD are superb skaters. So it's a work in progress. But for as much as I cannot stand many things about this team (and my peeves are many) I am bullish on the top-6 and maybe even the top-9. Of course, I'm not seeing it in the defense as a collective unit.

E


Sun Aug 21 2016 8:22 pm EST

Ola- spot on with the speed. And the thought of putting Hayes AND Bjugstad together is just assanine. Last offseason I spent a lot of time saying that overnight we became an average speed team by losing both Hags and MSL and that we'd have trouble. Then they doubled down with E Staal. Friggin Brilliant.

_Arc


Sun Aug 21 2016 7:49 pm EST

Why would Peg trade TROUBA? Well admittedly, I wouldn't trade him...not unless the return was sick...but because they have BYFUGLIEN and MYERS on the right...Trouba either needs to skate third pairing or play on the off-side...I mean, I would trade Myers...but given that he's still on the Jets, I'm assuming that's not in the cards...frankly, I don't think they will trade him...I think they'll take this to the brink and eventually give him a bridge deal of $4.5 million...question is, does Trouba take it? There's not a lot of incentive for playing in Winnipeg if you're that kid...on almost every other team in the NHL, he'd be second or even first pairing...very few teams are as deep as Peg is on the right...and that's less incentive for him to take a bridge deal, because playing third pairing ain't gonna give him the stats he needs to get his big payday....So if the Jets are lowballing him bigtime...and that's the word on the street: They basically want him to sign for less than $4 million...then it would behoove him to either hold out or force a trade or both. Trouba knows he's worth more than the Jets are offering...how far he takes this will dictate how long he remains a Jet.

tdchi


Sun Aug 21 2016 7:17 pm EST

Some BJUGSTAD highlights, worth a few minutes IMO. The guy patrols and scores down low around the net and has a good shot..... Too bad we don't have 2 Nash's to trade, one for him & one for Shattenkirk......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYbxPBwtiLs

mf


Sun Aug 21 2016 5:11 pm EST

Ola....lol...tell us what you really think of Bjustad! LOL!

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 4:54 pm EST

Would Bjugstad really be a great add? From my point of view, (i) he has looked like crap when I have seen him, (ii) small guys seem to have a helluva lot more success in this league than the bigger guys (pardon my french), (iii) is getting another big slow center really what we should be looking for? We lost our best player with the puck before this season, nobody gave us more speed and possession than Brass. Step is a pretty crappy player with the puck and he is anything but fast. Hayes is too big. Zinbanejad is more of a winger type operating at center. If anything, I think we should look for speed and skill, not some 6'8 slow crappy player.

Ola


Sun Aug 21 2016 4:40 pm EST

E: BTW, been reading some early 2016/17 hockey mags and all point out the lack of offense in Anaheim once you get past the big 3 there (Perry, Getzlaf and Kesler) a big 3 that is starting to age. Stepan would be a great fit, IMO.

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 4:14 pm EST

Didn't Fonn Clendening hit clean up for the Mets years ago? Didn't know he could skate.

Bob


Sun Aug 21 2016 3:37 pm EST

Oh and Enstrom makes $5,500,000 a year. I suspect if Trouba gets the money he's looking for it'll be at the expense of Enstrom....

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 3:31 pm EST

Now that said, the Jets certainly be taking any discounts if they do move Trouba. He'll cost the Rangers something like Skeji and Kreider (and I suspect the Jets will ask for more - if this guy is what TD says he is, they surely will). If you're Gorther, would you give up those 2 to land Trouba? I don't think I would.

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 3:24 pm EST

E: The Jets might be forced to part with Trouba due to salary demands. They blew their defensive wad on that asshole Byfuglien and Myers has a big ticket, too. The Jets are not a cap ceiling team - they cannot afford to sign Trouba to a $6,000,000/year deal.

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 3:21 pm EST

TD: Nash to FLA is an interesting proposition. They are looking to make noise this year and that noise includes a deep PO run. IMO, their weakness is their overall lack of offense, although with the emergence of Barkov and Huberdeau I wonder how long that will remain an issue. Nash would fit in nicely there, I suspect because he wouldn't be expected to carry the offense especially if those 2 young forwards continue their upward climb. With the aging of Luongo perhaps the Rangers would sweeten the pot by including one of their young goalies (assuming they feel both Halverson and that Russian kid are legitimate prospects). Nash and one of those might land Bjustad and a first.

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 3:21 pm EST

Why would Winnipeg be remotely interested in parting with a franchise defenseman ultimately? I've read the drama but in the end dude will be right where he is come puck drop. I think the only team likely to move w cornerstone defenseman is Anaheim and they have a lot of potential trade partners that if rumors are true I think are better talented with the benefit of youth as well as picks! Two things I don't think the New York Rangers have a lot of latitude with. So? At least it's free to dream. Getting that asset is going to take a ton of creativity for Gorton to get done..

E


Sun Aug 21 2016 3:18 pm EST

There is a lot of smoke regarding the Shatenkirk for Nash trade. From my perspective the hold up may be what else St. Louis will give up to balance the cap(Draft choices will not be given).. I prefer Nash for Fowler but it all may be wishful thinking.

gene_carr


Sun Aug 21 2016 1:46 pm EST

MF - Don't think it matters even if GIRARDI does waive....His year AND his health were so bad last year..teams will not trade for him until they see how both his health and game are this year....Maybe in mid-season, but not before it...JMWO...Staal is another story..He is what he has been the past three years --an overpaid but relaible 2nd pair defensive D-man.

Hospo


Sun Aug 21 2016 1:41 pm EST

Again, a key obstacle is, "will Girardi" agree to waive? jmon

mf


Sun Aug 21 2016 1:39 pm EST

Bjugstad: is signed to a $4.1 mill per contract for the next 4 or 5, is a RHS and something like 24 or 25..... A quick look at the #'s and I thought, a young version of HANZAL with a higher ceiling...... Trading Nash to FL for Bjugstad & opening the top 6 for BuchKnish is an interesting move, IMO........ I was looking past Shattenkirk on the STL roster and if we could get Shatty along with SCHMALTZ, a young RHS dman who may not be able to crack into STL's lineup because of their RHS depth, I feel is worth a long close look.... This will help balance out our upcoming defensive depth on the Right Side...

mf


Sun Aug 21 2016 1:20 pm EST

I think the takeaway on VESEY is that even if he does become a third-liner/dependable two-way forward who scores 30 or 40 points, signing him was a great move...if he turns out to be something more, even better. I really hope the hype on this kid is all that it's cracked up to be...if he becomes a star/top-6 forward, Gorton just pulled off a major coup.

tdchi


Sun Aug 21 2016 1:17 pm EST

If BJUGSTAD is available, and the price is reasonable, he'd be a GREAT add. Not sure what Florida would want, but I'd offer them NASH for him and maybe a draft pick --hopefully a first rounder. Florida has the cap space for Nash too...and really, I think the Rangers need to open a spot in the top six for BUCHNEVICH. Hayes-Bjugstad-Vesey would be one heck of a third line...then slide Buch up with Stepan and Zucc...would still rather the team go after TROUBA...ultimately, I think he's makes the most sense for the Rangers if they want to improve.

tdchi


Sun Aug 21 2016 10:30 am EST

Gorton has a fan! http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/08/20/jeff-gorton-jimmy-vesey-new-york-rangers-zibanejad/89044026/

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 10:29 am EST

But better is a whole different question, but I think that is more dependent of the defenese which looks like a huge problem as is... If the Rangers DO NOT trade for an offensive D-man, I see only two options, both kinda ugly, becasue about 5 of the options provide zero offense ...1) Nobody switching sides and the following pairs: Mcd-Klein; Staal-CLENDENNING/girardi/; Skeji-ClendenningGIRARDI/MCilrath with Mcilrath and Holden as likely extras...or 2) Having SKEJI switch sides like in the POs last year-------MCD-Klein; Staal-Skeji;Holden-Girardi with Mcilrath as an extra....Like this 2nd one much better but hate moving SKeji...In either event, obtaining a RHS PM/PP d-man would be much smarter

Hospo


Sun Aug 21 2016 10:28 am EST

E - Nope, Nash is it..Younger and interesting

Hospo


Sun Aug 21 2016 10:25 am EST

Non-hockey post but what the hell....dunno how many of my American wall friends are aware of the Tragically Hip but they completed their farewell tour last night in Kingston (where they're from) and I think almost all of Canada watched (CBC televised and streamed it - I had a party here last night and my son hooked up our 42 inch TV with a pre-amp and speakers and we all watched and cried together). Gord Downie is the Hip's lead singer and heart of their creativity and has been diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer. He went public with the news and then the Hip announced they were doing a final tour. Very powerful and poignant stuff....

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 10:23 am EST

Correct me if I am wrong but do the New York Rangers have a single player in the top-9 north of 30 besides Nash? Because, I was Thinking about the current roster this morning and realized that they are a really young team up front. I mean, Stepan is what? 27? He isn't even close to peaking although he's been around for what seems forever. It's gotta be his hair.

E


Sun Aug 21 2016 9:56 am EST

BTW if Shittenkirk is all hot and bothered about being a Ranger, why not wait until next summer and offer him an UFA contract at a club friendly rate? If he's that wound up about it, he should be willing to take a discount. If not, don't bother. This way 1) you don't give up assets to get him and 2) you don't worry about giving up those assets for just 1 year of the guy.

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 9:50 am EST

Hospo Hospital. LOL....great wall nickname!

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 9:49 am EST

Good article on Vesey from Scott Cullen of TSN - his stuff is based on stats and even tho it's tough to produce such an article on a kid who's never played a minute in the NHL, there's still some good stuff here IMO: http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-vesey-picks-the-rangers-1.551245

RF4L


Sun Aug 21 2016 6:24 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-moves-have-made-them-younger-but-will-they-be-better-1.12204283

stevielegs


Sun Aug 21 2016 5:12 am EST

Yikes, Hospo being called Hospital, think I better prolong my wall-vacation another week!

Ola


Sat Aug 20 2016 5:16 pm EST

TradeStar28: I think much of what was unwatchable last year lies at the feet of AV, and then ULF.. I chalk it up to playing guys out of position for far too long and not coaching to the abilities of the talent you have, rather than the abilities you dream of.... IMO Jesper Fast is a great hockey player as a 4th line wing & on the PK. For this years squad we didn't need "The Gerbel" when FAST could be penciled in on the 4th with GRABNER.... Now there are 2 guys that can be all over the opposition in a heartbeat cutting down the ice and forcing turnovers on the forecheck, and both are very defensively responsible... Conclusion: Gerbe's redundant IMO....... Next: Lindberg: the kid is skating with two worn out ball-joints! (HIPS) .... I wonder when AV found out about this & to what extent... AV seems to find out about his players health way late or doesn't confirm the extent of the injuries AND OR seems to use poor judgment about when to sit them vs play them.... McDonagh two seasons ago, Girardi last season, possibly Lindberg last season as examples...... Was Kreider neutered? Was Hayes cast in the position to best utilize him? Was AV on top of the kid when it clearly looked like he was dogging it to all of us? Tanner Glasses puck handling / retention; of course the Rangers were hard to watch.... Bet you folks could site plenty of other examples....

mf


Sat Aug 20 2016 4:29 pm EST

Vesey, good job kid! BTW it's Saturday afternoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mnw9uiYggU

mf


Sat Aug 20 2016 4:27 pm EST

Pondering the next move: has Girardi & or Staal agreed to waive ?

mf


Sat Aug 20 2016 2:32 pm EST

_ARC - I thought VESEY was purely a scoring winger...Right now there is nobody for third C except HAYES unless the Rangers reverse course and move JT MILLER back to his natural C position....which I don't think they will....The roblem is HaYES....his offensive game fits the center spot....the rest of his game doesn't....and currently he doesn't seem to have the attitude, strenght and desire to be a winger...I guess he plays wherever his offense and great passing ability can shine most-----which is C.......Alot of ????? going into the seasonincluding Buch...Vesey but hopefully one works out...but to me, it won't matter much if we don't fix the D with the top 4 offensive D-man it desperately needs.........

Hospo


Sat Aug 20 2016 1:51 pm EST

_ARC....i think Kreider and JT Miller provide some grit.....Also Mika is a big guy and Vesey will have to play a hard game (especially against the teams he nixed to play for the Rangers). I think the Rangers were so unwatchable last year is because of guys like Brassard, Hayes, Fast, Lindberg, T Glass, Dom Moore......Out with the old...bring in the new.....Meanwhile, where is the Russian to bring in for Buch? Any puck moving dman Rooskies avail? ;-)

TradeStar28


Sat Aug 20 2016 1:44 pm EST

E.....maybe because its Shattenkirks last year until he becomes a UFA.....also he is from Westchester so he is dying to play here for the NYRs!

TradeStar28


Sat Aug 20 2016 12:43 pm EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/08/20/jeff-gorton-jimmy-vesey-new-york-rangers-zibanejad/89044026/

stevielegs


Sat Aug 20 2016 12:24 pm EST

GDamned autocorrect!!!!

_Arc


Sat Aug 20 2016 12:24 pm EST

Hospital- I don't see any way that Hayes stays at center this year (barring injury). You got Step, Z, and now JV. I think the only play is to go for 3 deep good scoring lines (three 2nd line type) since we don't have a bonafide 1st line (like Buf did in DRu's last year there and what the Rangers did couple years ago with MSL and Hags). As such I wouldn't be surprised to find any of the wings anywhere in the top 9 and leaves AV to go with the hot hand. With Kreids, JT, Zucc, Hayes, Nasher and Buch I don't think there's going to be much of give either way as far as potential production goes. The only problem is that's a hell of a bunch of pixies when it comes to grit; but then again, we're talking about AV.

_Arc


Sat Aug 20 2016 12:06 pm EST

I just see no reason to trade Shattenkirk right now for St. Louis. They. Have him under cap. And they are a pretty solid team right now. And someone is gonna shit the bed on a stupid deal at the deadline if St. Louis can't lock him down or they are going nowhere fast.

E


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:53 am EST

TRADE - That has been the main need for months...It's getting late, but we shall see...IMWO, it will take one of the team's better forwards to get one..or a lesser forward (Fast) plus a solid D-man like Staal (if he waives)......Now, what I'm afreaid of is a ZUBOV/NEDVED type of deal where we traded SKEJI instead along with a young forward ..for a vet PMD..I like SKEJI too much for that,,,,Mcilrath indeed is trade candidate becasue I think he's mainly an extra for AV

Hospo


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:48 am EST

I agree also..and it MAY be a big problem up the middle....MMostly Soft outside of ZIBA and nobody to take a FO...Unless Laperriere wins the 4th spot...But still, Hayes and Step will be on the ice alot, losing 60% of their draws and avoiding contact....Rangers seem to be counting alot on Hayes' offseason surgety to remove his head from his ass being succesful..very risky

Hospo


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:47 am EST

Maybe fishboy has one more surprise but he has to check with Sather first.

stevielegs


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:44 am EST

There is one need for this team....the illustrious PMD.....Rangers have the 2nd rounder from the Brass deal.....I wouldn't be surprised if they use it and maybe Mcilrath and a forward like Jesper to bring in Shittenkirk...

TradeStar28


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:39 am EST

I agree Hayes is going nowhere. For now at least.

RF4L


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:34 am EST

Rangers are not gonna trade Kevin Hayes....They just used him to help lure Vesey here......they would look like turds if they did

TradeStar28


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:21 am EST

Get Ryan Ellis from the Preds!!!

RF4L


Sat Aug 20 2016 11:16 am EST

I agree with HOSPO. It mostly was crap. But it was crap to address a small but significant issue with the team. For a GM with not a lot of wiggle room he did okay adding in some new blood. Whether by. Development or acquisition. I dont think this New York Rangers has a big chance to be better then last seasons unit. They simply aren't as good on the blue line RIGHT NOW. whether by virtue of a trade coming, players finding their groove etc... you can't think that this team is better off of the blue line in any way. Until that happens I give Gorto a big Inc this offseason.

E


Sat Aug 20 2016 10:41 am EST

Man......we haven't been this exited since we signed Hayes....LOL. So now do we trade Nash? I say not this year.

MelvilleFred


Sat Aug 20 2016 10:40 am EST

RF4L - BJUGSSTAD would be a great get and with him, Ziba and Stepan up the middle we would be quite good ..Unfortunately, don't think they would want Kevin HAYES as part of the package....and, also, i think we gotta get that D-man first as a priority............As for the other UFAS-- while I recognize the PK aspect, as a whole, Just don't see Grabner as an improvement on STALBERG..nor do I see Gerbel and Jooris as much of anything or improvement on MOORE....At least LAPERRRIERE on a PTO can give us some bite and much needed FO ability

Hospo


Sat Aug 20 2016 8:43 am EST

There's a reason he's bounced around, losing value as he goes, and now no one wants him - what that reason is one can only speculate but who needs a headcase in the dressing room?

RF4L


Sat Aug 20 2016 8:41 am EST

rf4l......why not just get brandon pirri for free?

TradeStar28


Sat Aug 20 2016 8:28 am EST

BTW, read a rumour today that Nick Bjugstad could be available. He carries a big ticket but is a center and would be an interesting acquisition. What the Panthers would want in return, however, is another thing. I am guessing defense...

RF4L


Sat Aug 20 2016 8:20 am EST

Just read the transcripts from Gorton and Vesey. A couple of thoughts: 1) I like how Gorton speaks. Sorta like Gordie Clark, there's some intelligence there for sure and he isn't afraid to be honest (as honest as a GM can be), which is refreshing and so much better than the crap Sather used to spew (and subsequently stopped spewing altogether after his reputed legend got deservedly tarnished). 2) Vesey made it clear he was very cognizant of the teams' depth charts - he even uses the word 'prospects'. Obviously, it was the only factor but I think it's more than reasonable to speculate that the Rangers compromised feeder system played a significant role in his decision to be a Ranger. From a young forward perspective, his only tangible competition at this point is Buch. At this point, there's no one else in Hartford (or headed there) or in the system who's close to these 2 kids.

RF4L


Sat Aug 20 2016 8:07 am EST

evets: I don't quite share Hospo's negative view of the UFA signings Gorton did, but do agree that you don't look to trade KK. That said, of course, he's hardly untouchable if the right deal comes along but not for Shittenkirk and with all due respect, why are you including a pick/prospect? That's the crazy practice Sather was so guilty of that has created the feeder system issue. Get picks/prospects back if anything but definitely don't include them going the other way. The Vesey signing is nice but there's still way more work to be done to address the feeder system before it can be considered a strength to leverage in deals.

RF4L


Sat Aug 20 2016 6:37 am EST

So it's vc ..... Kid sounds level headed ...

stevielegs


Sat Aug 20 2016 6:29 am EST

Veesee.....veenyo...http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/19/transcripts-rangers-gm-jeff-gorton-jimmy-vesey/#sthash.Aekq1dZF.d6KUSl4U.dpbs

stevielegs


Sat Aug 20 2016 1:15 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rangers-win-sweepstakes-sign-jimmy-vesey/

mf


Sat Aug 20 2016 1:02 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/08/19/rangers-win-jimmy-vesey-sweepstakes/89016392/

mf


Sat Aug 20 2016 1:00 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/08/19/rangers-sign-the-best-player-in-college-hockey/

mf


Sat Aug 20 2016 12:58 am EST

Good job Gorton, welcome aboard Vesey... Next: any whispers on whether Girardi & or Staal have waived their NMC's?

mf


Fri Aug 19 2016 9:03 pm EST

Heard nyr bought him a map and a gps , and he figured out he's close to home .

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 9:02 pm EST

EVETS - Don't agree with you on how well Gorther did In FA with the garbage that he picked up, but do like the trade for Z and the signing of Vesey,,,..The D definitely has NHL depth but a HUGE hole on the RHS (offnesive).....Totally disagree on the trading of Klein, he's a first pair in NY right now...you trade him for an offensive D-man, you have an even bigger hole IMWO...If a D-man gets dealt, it's gonna be STAAL or MCILRATH along with a forward....

Hospo


Fri Aug 19 2016 8:33 pm EST

I have to say, I didn't know what to expect out of Gorton in his first off season as Rangers GM and I have to say, he's made me a believer. This has been a pretty great summer (so far) for the Rangers. Gorton has added some tremendous defensive depth: Holden, Clendening, Paliotta, and Gilmour. He's retained all of the team's RFAs on pretty fair contracts. Got younger, bigger, and faster up front by dealing Brassard for Zibanejad and added a pick to boot. Gorton addressed the penalty kill with bargain signings of Grabner and Gerbe and added additional depth with the Jooris signing. Then he goes out and gets the prize college free agent today when he signed Vesey. I think it's been an inspired summer for the front office and frankly, I don't think they're finished. I'm thinking at least one more move; maybe one of significance. However, I don't think it's going to be Nash (at least not this summer). I'm thinking we may see something like Fast, Klien, and a pick or prospect for Shattenkirk.

evets1980


Fri Aug 19 2016 8:00 pm EST

They keep these pecker head Swedes around for Henrik as his toys....We need a good one like that Patric Hornqvist.....

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 7:58 pm EST

Ok...now just get rid of Lindberg, Fast and Tanner Glass......and Girardi

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:53 pm EST

Good job GORTHER! Glad that is over. Now, lets see if we can get those 1 or 2 other trades done.

Vic


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:51 pm EST

Happy to be wrong about VESEY. Really thought he'd go to Chi. And I hope Ike wrong about his level of play too. Rangers could really stand to have another 20-goal forward. Team is young and strong...question now is she does the other shoe drop? With Vesey signed, you've got to think at least one of the forwards from the top nine is going to get moved.

tdchi


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:41 pm EST

Nice work signing 'Easy'! Nothing like picking up young talent for nothing but $$$. I think it bodes well for the Rangers that a kid like this WANTS to play here when he could play anywhere. Nice work by the staff. LGR!

Z


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:25 pm EST

HOSPO-Exactly! Seriously, good work by Gorton getting some prospects into the system to make up for draft picks that were tossed away. Now.....deal Nash for Cam Fowler and we are good to go.

Bob


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:15 pm EST

I was busy all day and did not get a chance to post, but my thoughts on the Vesey signing were that this was not just a hockey decision. He is an Ivy League graduate. There is a life after his playing days and the opportunities to take advantage of that are in Boston and NY. They are both economic hot spots and given all the relatively even hockey factors I was sure it would come down to one or the other.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:14 pm EST

BOB - Hayes, Vesey and Kreidr arriving at practice on opening day afrter a weekend at Hayes house...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWiYphJUS7Q

Hospo


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:12 pm EST

Great job replacing 2 1st round draft choices! I posted yesterday that Vesey was very interested in off-ice money making opportunities....it could have been a big factor in his signing here. Now,.,. when does the next shoe drop? Nash?

JFC31


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:12 pm EST

Hospo- just make sure the brew is on ice brother!

_Arc


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:04 pm EST

The Bong at the Hayes pad is going to be fired up regularly.

Bob


Fri Aug 19 2016 6:01 pm EST

James G on August 19, 2016 6:58 pm Pete maybe they will center Hayes with Vesey and Kreider. We can call it the Mass-hole line lol - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/18/agent-no-vesey-decision-today-rangers-sign-d-john-gilmour/#sthash.J5K1Sr70.iESx4H2B.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:47 pm EST

Limbo - Just think it was a great get to add talent to the organization and beat out all the other teams ....Rangers got themselves one hell of a "closer"..............None of this means I won't lambaste Vesey if he turns out to be another Hayes or that this makes the team a juggernaut...it doesn't.....but MAYBE he makes it better, helps them posses the puck more, draw more penalties,...I don't know,......And, still ,without an offensive D-man/PP guy and probs at 3rd-4th center, I think they are still in trouble.....But they sure have more options now to try and fix it than they did yesterday

Hospo


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:44 pm EST

Rumor ....he signed because there is a street named after him in ny

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:43 pm EST

Wow, just wow. What a different type of off season. I'm impressed.

hipcheck


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:37 pm EST

*Respect* to Gorton. Not sure if he's ever going to live up to the hype but doesn't hurt adding to the talent pool especially considering the opportunity cost is virtually nil! Have to give credit where it's due. I hope they still keep some balance; that's a hell no to JV-Hayes-Buch line. This certainly allows room to move one of the existing top9 forwards (or hopefully packaging 2) for a top end guy or restock the cupboard. Either way, Kidos to management (and AV) for pulling it offf

_Arc


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:24 pm EST

AnthonyM on August 19, 2016 6:22 pm Here is Vesey’s Scouting Report courtesy of “The Hockey News”: . Scouting Report Assets: Has plenty of goal-scoring ability, plus the size and bulk to play in traffic, maintain possession of the puck and grind in the corners. Is also a sound two-way player. Can be an asset on the power play, too. . Flaws: Must be able to match the hype at the highest level, since he made a name for himself in the NCAA ranks and arrived with much fanfare (mostly of his own doing). Needs more work on his passing. . Career Potential: Talented power winger with upside. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/18/agent-no-vesey-decision-today-rangers-sign-d-john-gilmour/#sthash.J5K1Sr70.Rqxk7eAg.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:22 pm EST

maybe they will have 4 good lines....maybe.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:19 pm EST

A truly giddy Hospo? Who are you and what the hell did you do with the body?

limbo


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:17 pm EST

He's got a spot on the roster. Buch, Vesey,. Going young. Not a bad thing. Will be some growing pains. Now get younger on the blueline. Bye Girardi !!! I like it.

stepunmytoe


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:13 pm EST

.Wow, all l i know is that ranger mangement must have some smooth talkers....That's two big gets in two years.. Hats off to them!!!.Great pickup for adding talent to the organization....Have no clue what it means to the team this coming year...but the kid had to have been promised top 9 playing time...right? ..Again, now they don't have to rush BUCH, and they are in a better postion to trade a forward, maybe even Hayes (doubtful), for an offensive D-man!.......We'll see what happens.....The kid may be the real thing this year..he may take awhile,..he may be a giant pansy..Be cool to find out.....

Hospo


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:12 pm EST

they replaced a #1 pick they traded away...good job.....just hope he wakes hazy up ....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:09 pm EST

For those that don't know...yes, I'm being sarcastic....but I am interested to see this kid...he just mounted a shitload of hype and expectations on his back...the org. will spend the rest of the offseason trying to downplay the hysteria....the more I sit back though, I begin to wonder how much Gortin was involved before...i really like some of his recent moves starting with bringing Buch over, getting Z, and now Vesey. We've gotten a lot younger w/ some very good offensive potential, all while reducing our cap hit....now trade Nash for some a bike line PP QB and you get an A in my book...and by God, don't trade anymore 1st/2nd rounders

NCRanger


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:07 pm EST

Well I sure was wrong on Vesey coming to the Rangers. Not that it matters - this is a good thing for the organization because of their lack of talent overall in their system. It remains to be seen whether or not this kid will end up replacing one of the many high picks that idiot Sather traded away but you cannot begin to make that determination if he does not sign with your club. Now does this pave the way for another deal or 2....I certainly hope so!

RF4L


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:03 pm EST

TSN reporting vessel a ranger

KIS


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:03 pm EST

The Rangers get Vesey!!!...The Rangers get Vesey!!....we're going back to the Cup Finals, we get Vesey!!!!...woohooooo

NCRanger


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:02 pm EST

#NYR Rangers Agree to Terms With Jimmy Vesey http://yi.nzc.am/9ACDn

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:58 pm EST

he's a nyr will fit right in the misfits

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:58 pm EST

He's a Ranger.

VtRanger


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:36 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello on August 19, 2016 4:07 pm correct, Hayes WAS NOT in the Vesey meeting with the Rangers. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/18/agent-no-vesey-decision-today-rangers-sign-d-john-gilmour/#sthash.J5K1Sr70.hkowkMvq.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:35 pm EST

FWIW, Bob McKenzie tweeted this morning that he felt the Vesey decision would come today, with a slight chance it would drift into tomorrow. He is usually right...

RF4L


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:17 pm EST

TRADE have to disagree you are only remembered if you did something to be remembered for. Kovy did something to be remembered for, he was as big a part of the cup run as the names mentioned. If he played in Chi and had a run to the cup that was to be remembered he would be, especially after the whole circus going on he would be remembered as the guy who came to chi town to help return the cup. He can come here and they can win and he does nothing to help and his name would be remembered like Hudson, not like Kovy. He can come here and own the playoffs and become legend, but I don't see that happening.

York18


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:08 pm EST

Ola that's why he might choose the nyr.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:48 pm EST

Panarin is already pissed that he can't be paid by Chicago at least on his next contract. With his numbers, anything short of 6+m is underpayment, and Chicago couldn't even remotely afford that. When does Vesey expect to get paid? In 2 years Chi would be ruled out. 4-5 years, who knows.

Ola


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:28 pm EST

After 2 years....people will say that a Chicago JV would have inflated stats.....Here with the Rangers...JV will have to work work work and teams will see his intrinsic value in regard to future contracts...lol

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:26 pm EST

but NY Ranger fans are still talking about that kid named Alex Kovalev! even with mess, leech , richter, graves, etc. ;-)

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:23 pm EST

How often do u hear anyone clamor about Brian Bickell in the windy city these days? lol

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:22 pm EST

In NY....JV would have a chance to share the spotlight!

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:22 pm EST

that kid is supposedly worried if the team will be able to afford him on his next contract

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:22 pm EST

York...if it comes down to CHI vs NYR ...yes, i think that the natural feeling of a rookie would be going into a situation where they can potentially be the man and help a team win. Especially with Henrik in net. It would be a great story. But going to Chicago? Big fuckin deal....Vesey wins a Cup there and everyone is still talking about Kane and Toews only.

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:17 pm EST

Trade do you really think any player gives a toss if the city is hungry for a cup? They care about their chance to win. If hunger of a city was considered teams like Toronto or st Louis would be tops on everyone's lips.

York18


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:13 pm EST

Tradestar: If he signs with Buffalo, he gets to play with Kane too, and he's a bigger douche!

mf


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:11 pm EST

Veseyctomy ?

mf


Fri Aug 19 2016 3:03 pm EST

Monohan signs with Flames - 7 years nearly $45,000,000. Man if he doesn't progress, what a horrible deal. I totally get the concern about giving a 20 year old a deal like this.

RF4L


Fri Aug 19 2016 2:43 pm EST

I can't imagine that Vesey will sign with Chicago.....That is my rationale but not his of course.....If you sign with Chicago....yes, u get to play with Kane and Toews....But Kane is a douche.....and Chicago has won 3 Cups already...I wouldn't want to come to a situation where the city has already felt what 3 cups is all about....I would want something where the fuckin city is THIRSTY for that Cup....and its been knocking on its door .......All JV needs to do is look at the NYR' and how amazing the city of NY is when they are playing good hockey. Plus he has a bunch of celebs trying to lure him to MSG.....how the heck can u turn down Margot Robbie? Honestly

TradeStar28


Fri Aug 19 2016 2:25 pm EST

or vasectomy

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 2:20 pm EST

he's not signing until his name is officially changed to Wayne Vescey ...

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 12:39 pm EST

BREAKING: @19Vesey just signed a credit card receipt at @ChipotleTweets #VeseyWatch FullTilt Rangers ‏@NYR_FullTilt Aug 17

jkropp


Fri Aug 19 2016 12:08 pm EST

He could be great or he may not, wouldn't you take that chance York? I'd rather have a lottery ticket that has a chance of winning than not have any ticket with zero chance...that's all I'm saying. I don't expect this kid to be amazing or even great right now.

jkropp


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:51 am EST

Hugh Vesey or Jimmy Jessiman?

Bob


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:48 am EST

The reason why there is so much interest is that he basically amounts to a free draft pick. And the Rangers need as many "free" assets as they can get their hands on because they piss draft picks away like there is no tomorrow. Now, what he amounts to as a player is anyone's guess. But theoretically all he costs is money (plus whatever under the table arrangements you make, i.e. guaranteed roster spot, etc.).

Vic


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:43 am EST

I like signing VESEY becasue he adds to the talent base of this team...I really have no clue how good he is other than what others say..Top 6? Top 9? Is he that good? Don't know...But he will be given the chance becsuae of the contact negotiaitions (I'm guessing)....If the Rangers sign him that means they have another forward they can deal to get a d-man and/or they don't have to rush Buch IFFF he's not ready...It's a win/win situation. even if he takes time...Well, unless he's another god damn goofball like Kevin Hayes!!!!

Hospo


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:39 am EST

JK you have no idea what this kid is other than going and neither do I. If this kid comes in scores 10 goals this was a crime

York18


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:33 am EST

York I disagree...the reason he is so valuable is because of his contract...so even if he nets 15 still good deal...he is young, smart, big, fast

jkropp


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:30 am EST

If this kid doesn't net 20 goals what a joke this has been

York18


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:29 am EST

I expect Vesey to be a NYR today.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 19 2016 11:26 am EST

Anyone that doesn't want this kid is crazy. Such a low cost for top 9 forward.

jkropp


Fri Aug 19 2016 10:17 am EST

It's Friday Vesey! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0QhaBW73Sk

mf


Fri Aug 19 2016 9:52 am EST

Arthur Staple tweets that Vesey is down to Rangers or Blackhawks.

evets1980


Fri Aug 19 2016 8:55 am EST

guess he can now come to the nhl....kid has a knockout punch ....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 8:34 am EST

The Hockey News ‏@TheHockeyNews ...... KHL’s Ryspayev given lifetime ban after attacks on opposition in pre-season game..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/khls-ryspayev-given-lifetime-ban-after-attacks-on-opposition-in-pre-season-game/ …

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 19 2016 7:31 am EST

rf4l I assume he can't be waived , or he will get claimed....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 7:15 am EST

stevie: The Ranger pitch might have sounded more like (from AV): "Listen kid, it matters not if you are lazy, don't wanna backcheck and show up to camp bloated and disinterested. You'll get a regular shift and we'll never farm you out.'

RF4L


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:44 am EST

http://gothamsn.com/jimmy-vesey-pitch/#

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 5:16 am EST

Messy vescey vying for the ginger baker award...and the Betty Crocker one too...

stevielegs


Fri Aug 19 2016 4:18 am EST

Hahaha "The possibility remains that the Hobey Baker winner could sign this weekend", come on VESEY YOU CAN DO IT! Don't sign before Christmas or your decision will be a BUST.

Ola


Fri Aug 19 2016 2:49 am EST

After meeting with several NHL teams, college free-agent forward Jimmy Vesey has yet to rule out any interested suitor. "Everyone is still in the mix," said Peter Donatelli, an agent of Vesey, told ESPN. "We're going to try and drill down right now to a few (teams) and then either call some teams with some questions or not. "We'll probably reach out to a few teams with some questions that we think were either unanswered or we want clarification on, but that's the intent today." Vesey, 23, has fielded offers from his hometown Boston Bruins, as well as the Buffalo Sabres, Chicago Blackhawks, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Pittsburgh Penguins, and the Toronto Maple Leafs. The possibility remains that the Hobey Baker winner could sign this weekend.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 18 2016 10:06 pm EST

RF: "yee of highlighting trade picks," the Preds picked up a 3rd rounder for the kid. If he signs with them he's already paid dividends by delivering the pick. OAN: These kids go through this part of their careers but once. I can't fault Vesey to conducting his due diligence in a manner that satisfies his m.o.... jmon

mf


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:29 pm EST

Wild -- I agree with E....Vesey is simply taking an opportunity to control his immediate future. Preds offered him Top 6 ice time going into the playoffs.when his agents made a statement before the trade deadline, they said that any $$ he may lose would be offset by "on ice and off ice" opportunities. Wonder of the "off ice opportunities" could favor the Rangers....

JFC31


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:25 pm EST

IMO, if Vesey signs with Nashville, someone needs to slap that boy upside the head for upping the pressure factor on himself. Hell, if I was Poile and managed to sign him, I'd trade his stupid ass the next day.

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:23 pm EST

Wild: Yep, who knows? But backtrack several years ago and what we are seeing now is being replicated. Remember Justin Schulttz? Look how that turned out. So much hype translated into so much pressure translated into over his head translated into an almost complete disaster that was salvaged from a COMPLETE disaster via a trade that put the player where his progression warrants - a bottom pairiing d-man who lucked out by moving to a team that won the cup. How the Vesey show plays out will be interesting to watch. Right now, however, it's tedious and boring and so needs to end it's current chapter. Thing is, the longer this silliness goes, the bigger the expectation and the greater the pressure to live up to that.

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:22 pm EST

Nashville: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NAS

mf


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:22 pm EST

E: very interesting. :-) Nashville has a very respectable group and they could use a LW.... If the kid signed with the Preds after surveying the landscape, I think that would show a lot of class on his part.... jmon

mf


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:20 pm EST

E - agree/disagree about the assistant coach...When you have a head coach that keeps his imprint on everything and relates to the players and motivates them, I agree about the minor impact of the assitgant coach....When you have a coach the lets the players police themselves and is not really a motivator, I totally disagree......especially when you have little vet leadership..I think the latter is the boat the Rangers are in..

Hospo


Thu Aug 18 2016 9:16 pm EST

WILD: I would think he walked away for the biggest reason of all. You can. I'm not suggesting that he is a dick for it but if I have the choice of being courted and choosing my destination vs. having to go with the team that drafted me? I mean, you may even sign with the team that drafted you because it's the right spot for you but to have a chance to steer your own fate? Who wouldn't want that?

E


Thu Aug 18 2016 7:54 pm EST

RF4L: More likely they told him he would have a shot with Hayes and Buch, and be part of a line that could lead the rangers for a decade to come.....and a team that is closer to a deep playoff run than the NJD...but we don't know why he walked away from the team that drafted him or what his criteria are, like whats more important? Ice time or a a chance to win? Team mates, or the coaching style. With out that its hard to know what team would really have the best shot.

Wildcard


Thu Aug 18 2016 7:10 pm EST

New York Rangers pitch to Jimmy Vesey......: As the door opens, out of the darkness emerges head coach Alain Vigneault. His only companion, Tanner Glass, walks in behind him..... They take seats to the right and left of Vesey...... “Listen, kid,” Vigneault says...... “My bosses want you on the team. I told them to let me handle this meeting alone. I’m here to tell you that you aren’t welcome on the New York Rangers.” .....Tanner Glass nods slowly...... “Signing you would mean that Tanner here won’t play. We already have guys who the fans think I’m going to put in the lineup over him. Look, it’s just not going to happen. Signing here would be unfair to everyone: you, the fans… but mostly it would be unfair to Tanner.” .......Vigneault reaches over Vesey, he and Glass lock hands...... “Uhhh, that’s fine… I’ll just leave then,” Vesey says awkwardly....... Glass and Vigneault begin whispering sweet-nothings to each other as Vesey walks out.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 18 2016 6:27 pm EST

Whether vescey signs or not he's become feces vescey who's friends with dopey hazy ....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 6:10 pm EST

I've also never seen assistants as very crucial. And by crucial I mean they basically are the other set of eyes on the bench, and play whatever role a coach wants them to play. So, I don't think Arneil staying or going is worst hit a nothing. They won with him, they lost with him. I'd say that the supposed mission he was charged with fixing didn't do much and I wouldn't be pasting it's accolades all over my resume. As long as AV likes the coach and sees him as an asset then great. I don't care who it is nor will I miss any of them when they leave.

E


Thu Aug 18 2016 6:06 pm EST

I don't think anyone has a real idea of who is in the lead for Vesey. The guy wanted to wait and mull over his options, hear teams pitches and make a decision. While the press is speculating who is in the lead the guy is probably ordering in a pie and watching the olympics with friends. It really is kind of ridiculous. At best I could see his agent calling a GM as a courtesy and say, "thanks for everything but we are going in a different direction." The Vesey thing really reached a bizarre place with me. Whoever gets him is just as soon due for a big letdown as the guy comes in and struggles to be an impact player. It's hard to make it in the NHL.

E


Thu Aug 18 2016 5:07 pm EST

Devils probably promised Vesey he can play with Taylor Hall. The Rangers countered with Rick Nash....mmmm...DOH!

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 4:09 pm EST

Hospo i hope ahkneel gets the job , and takes weeknow with him

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 3:43 pm EST

Guy is now saying the Devils are in the lead...DiPAULI apparently signing with the Pens. Go F yourself, DiPauli.

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 3:42 pm EST

According to the DENVER POST, Scott ARNIEL is under consideration for their coach opening..."Other coaches the Avs appear to have interest in looking at, but aren’t necessarily limited to, include Washington Capitals assistant Lane Lambert, New York Rangers associate head coach Scott Arniel and American Hockey League coach Travis Green of the Utica Comets.".......Arniel hasn't done much of anything with the Rangers specialty teams...and doen't seem the fiery guy these guys need to balance AV...Guess what i'm saying is it's no big deal if the Av's scoop him up,

Hospo


Thu Aug 18 2016 2:41 pm EST

TD: I take the other approach when analyzing the VESEY situation. Think about it. If you are him you want to land in a place where you can play. That is first and foremost as a young player. You don't want to go somewhere with a stacked roster and a strong pipeline of blue chip prospects because that could get you into a situation where you find yourself getting squeezed out by other young, up and coming players. And if I'm him I have to be looking at the Rangers and thinking my chances of playing there are really good. The Rangers are not "stacked" in the top 6 in any way. And there is definitely a chance to shine on the 3rd line at a minimum this year if he comes here. The Rangers have very little in the system to push him from behind. There are no draft picks over the last few years that are coming outside of BEUCH this year who could end up being his linemate. He has to know (much like HAYES did) that if he comes to NY and shows any potential he will get every chance to make it at the NHL level. I think the Rangers are very much in the hunt for VESEY.

Vic


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:57 pm EST

At this point...or any point for that matter...I'd be surprised if the Rangers land Vesey. I still think he's going to end up in Chicago...or maybe Toronto...if Jacobs has the balls to low-ball the kid, then he deserves getting nothing....even so, the B's are a team that is retooling. They have some very good kids in their system...but on the ice? That team doesn't look much better than it did last year when they swung and missed at the playoffs...Will be floored if Jersey or LI gets him...ditto with the Pens....

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:47 pm EST

TDCHI - You are right about the JENSEN predicament..But, you know, most of the teams in the league are filled with their own Jensen's ..and that's why alot of them do pass through waivers...but, it is a risk if you like the guy....OTOH, if you can't beat out GERBEl, you ain't worth it......As for BUCH, it's not really about him crapping the bed, he just may need some mental and physical adjustment time in Hartford before playing consistnely in the NHL..Nothing wrong with that...most players do...VESEY may be an exception, if we sign him, not becasue he doesn't need it but becasue what is promosed...JOORIS' 2-wa6y deal os another reason I think he might get beat out by LAPERIERRE..

Hospo


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:44 pm EST

Hospo you forgot the part on hazy thinking he is always playing good ....you just don't see it...close your eyes.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:42 pm EST

the drama is building......messy vescey , the drama queen......RICK CARPINIELLO on AUGUST 18, 2016 1:41 PM AV’s pitch: If you’re lucky you can play on a line with Fast, and a power play with Diaz. ...........@mkmolnar Jimmy Vesey’s agent Peter Fish says no decision will be made today. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/18/hello-my-new-friends-and-old-rangers-fans/#sthash.UNu7TW6c.HcHBVyKb.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:39 pm EST

PUCK - But maybe Lzy Hayes is the man to bring...Can't you just hear it.."Man, you gotta come to NY....You don't have to do anything,..No work...little accountability..No vets to rip you a new one if ou slack off..You just go out there....play by yourself...avoid getting hit....then we can go out for some brews afterwards...and we get paid for it!!!

Hospo


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:38 pm EST

Vic maybe she wants to marry purple haze.....together they won't have half a brain.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 1:00 pm EST

RF4L - Totally agree. And the Pens will need some help from DUPUIS just to get under the cap(they're $3.3 million over). But that cheating, conniving festering puss bucket of a team always finds a way...Not gonna speculate how they'd get him on the roster or where they'd use him...

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 12:55 pm EST

PUCK: Maybe KANE isn't his type. He may be more attracted to the tall, goofy, dumb-face look. Is HAYES a blond???!?

Vic


Thu Aug 18 2016 12:52 pm EST

NYR sent Kevin Hayes , Hawks had Pat Kane in their contingent to meet Vesey.

puckyou


Thu Aug 18 2016 12:51 pm EST

Hospo -JENSEN is in the McILRATH dilemma --either he makes the team or ends up on the waiver wire. I'd be VERY surprised to see him in Hartford, because after his performance at the Worlds, I could almost guarantee a team would claim him. And that may well be the case. I don't see room for him in the top nine...maybe on fourth...but he'll have to have a real good camp to beat out GRABNER or GERBE...I could see JOORIS getting demoted, because he's on a two-way...and HRIVIK has passed through waivers a few times, so I don't see any reason to suggest he's a lock to stay...Jensen? I don't think they're gonna want to lose him for nothing...we shall see...oh and BUCHNEVICH? He'll need to f@ck up pretty bad to end up in Hartford, IMO. And by pretty bad, I mean off the rails. I suspect they would have kept him in Russia --and he would have stayed there as well --if both parties didn't forecast him staying in New York.

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 12:15 pm EST

TDCH - Hartford may also very well have to find room for the likes of BUCH, Gerbel and JENSEN.........As for VESEY, count me in as one who, given the connection he seems to have with Hayes and the way the Rangers are treating HAYES after he shit all over them last year,..well, I j just don't want another soft, goofy, entitled (to a position) prick on the team,...

Hospo


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:56 am EST

Yeah, I get the allure but given everything we've read about his desire to have a spot in the top 9 granted to him, I find it difficult to believe he'd go to Pittsburgh. Mind you, his low salary would be attractive to the Pens I guess, so perhaps they'd grant him that demand.

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:56 am EST

STEVIE: "Us US Americans?"......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Vic


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:54 am EST

RF4L - Just something I saw on the rumor sites. Pens gave a 'well-received' pitch...Allure of Pittsburgh of course is the same as Chicago: Play with a cup winner and future hall of famers. Just sayin’ if in the very strange and unlikely event he’s reading this, I’ve got a corroded Everlast with his name on it if he steps into the Garden with a Pens jersey. Probably not as much of a draw for him to sign with the Rangers as Margo Robbie asking him on Twitter…but figured I’d put it out there into the ether.

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:47 am EST

rf4l pitts resigned cullen...nyr never needed him on the pp point as per metro-renney.....and he keeps going..... messy vescey could be skidmark's kissin cousin....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:44 am EST

TD: Why would he sign in Piitsburgh? There's no room for him at this point. Now if he played defense, that would be a different story.

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:43 am EST

LOL! lost his map!

NV94


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:41 am EST

messy vescey should be over by tomorrow....probably Boston or nyr.....debbies and shitcago doubtful...Toronto a maybe.....Detroit is too far because he didn't study geography.....and lost his map.....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:39 am EST

BTW, if Vesey signs with the Pens, I will nail that petulant f@ck with a battery when he comes to the Garden. A car battery that is...

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:38 am EST

TD/Vic: I see the both sides of signing those 3 to big money, long term deals. The safer plan is bridge them so they can prove themselves over a longer period of time. I suspect the next CBA will have something in it addressing 2nd contracts and likely will be a very contentious issue (if not THE issue) and will result in lost games or perhaps another lost season.

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:36 am EST

Yeah,I'm sick of the Vesey show, too. Just end it already!

RF4L


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:21 am EST

This kid @HockeyStatMiner has the following as Hartford’s lineup this fall: Gropp-Nieves-Oksanen, Stromwall-Tambellini-Kovacs, Joly-Fogarty-Hrivik, Glass-Brown-Chapie; Graves-Clendening, Summers-Paliotta, Bodie-Andersson, Gilmour-Hughes; Hellberg-Halverson-Skapski...he also lists Donnay and Malcom, but I don’t see a way in hell they don’t start with Greenville…Some thoughts…first, I have no idea how Tambellini is going to play pivot and as much as Glass in Hartford sounds wonderful, I don’t have faith it’ll happen. Also, I don’t think Joly or Chapie are locks to make the team…maybe Chapie…so I think there are some forwards that need to roll into town soon…but perhaps most foremost is that I don’t think I’ve seen a Pack team this young in many moons…can’t recall the last time they had so few career AHLers…they also have some really nice talent coming in…seem to be very loaded on the left side with the signing of Gilmour and that to me…along with what we have in New York…suggests there’s a trade brewing…

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:19 am EST

Good. Lets get this whole VESEY situation resolved so that the Rangers and other teams can make some moves. I can't believe they are going to go into camp and the season as currently constructed. I am expecting at least one move of significance. Possibly two moves (one on D and one up front). TD: Totally agree with your comments about those kids. Now is the time to lock them up for a long time, and at a discount with respect to future performance.

Vic


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:07 am EST

RF4L – Wanted to comment on the link you posted yesterday…both the Jets and the Flames are ABSOLUTELY NUTS. I would lock all three of those players up long-term ASAP. I mean, the most they’re going to ask for/get is going to be in the range of $7 million…Guy like TROUBA I suspect would ink for much less…What they’re balking over now is these are the days when teams can usually save a few million by underpaying these guys…each one is certainly worth more than $5 million…I mean, look at MONAHAN’S stats…and GAUDREAU…when are people going to stop questioning this kid’s ability?!? I tell you what: If the Flames and Jets want to unload their problems onto us, I’d gladly give each of them $7 mill per for the next 8 years. Wouldn’t even blink before signing the check. Those are three guys who are going to be at the top of their game for those seven years…while other teams are going to be paying millions more for washed up hacks…I mean, there was a time not too long ago when $7 mil seemed like a lot…not so much anymore. That money buys you a good, maybe all-star player…seems like you can barely get a top-six guy for under $5 million…These teams are being penny wise and pound foolish…and if I were Gorton, I’d take FULL advantage of it. Very seldom do you get three talents like this that have gone into August with no contract…man…getting Gaudreau and Trouba…I would probably fall over…re: the Dougie HAMILTON case…what a crock that is…Calgary was flat-out stupid there. Dougie was NEVER that good. He was drafted too high and always had suspect defense…Bruins took a small risk with him, but I’m not surprised at all that there’s buyer’s remorse in Calgary. Hell, there was buyer’s remorse in Boston when fans saw what they got with that high pick.

tdchi


Thu Aug 18 2016 11:03 am EST

The Rangers reportedly met with Vesey at the Intercontinental Hotel in Boston, with Alain Vigneault as part of the group that included Jeff Gorton and Kevin Hayes (Tim)....................https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/jimmy-vesey-has-finished-his-meetings-will-decide-soon/196301234

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 10:12 am EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on AUGUST 18, 2016 10:21 AM I hear that Jeremy Jacobs is trying to get Vesey to take less than the entry-level contract amount. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/18/hello-my-new-friends-and-old-rangers-fans/#sthash.UNu7TW6c.hhWwZ86w.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Aug 18 2016 8:36 am EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/report-the-rangers-have-signed-defenseman-john-gilmour/196133940

ges999


Wed Aug 17 2016 4:05 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on AUGUST 17, 2016 5:01 PM Don Maloney to Flames as scout. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/15/rangers-in-the-running-for-jimmy-vesey-but-not-alone/#comment-2795926

stevielegs


Wed Aug 17 2016 2:53 pm EST

1. Thomas Di Pauli, 22, C …. Di Pauli’s availability as a free agent has flown under the radar because of Vesey being on the market, but consecutive breakout years at Notre Dame should have a few teams talking to Di Pauli over the coming week. Di Pauli’s 14 goals and 32 points this past season were impressive, as was his shot total jumping by 45 from the 2014-15 campaign……….. Drafted by the Capitals in the fourth round, 100th overall, in 2012, Di Pauli was one of the top 10 prospects in Washington’s system according to a panel of scouts surveyed for THN’s Future Watch 2016. There’s high hopes for his future, and he’s almost assured a spot in the AHL — and maybe even an NHL audition — come next season. Coincidentally, Di Pauli shares an agent with Vesey, and Peter Fish has said much of the same about Di Pauli that he has said of Vesey. Fish told the Washington Post’s Isabelle Khurshudyan that Di Pauli wants to see what’s out there and where the best fit might be. On a deep Washington club, he might have had trouble cracking the lineup in the next few seasons.

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 2:36 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Likewise. Glimour is a good signing. Talked to a buddy from Providence who watches a lot of Friars games...said kid is 'super solid'...he and Oksanen are very good additions to the Pack, IMO. Wouldn't mind if they signed this DiPauli kid either.

tdchi


Wed Aug 17 2016 2:34 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on AUGUST 16, 2016 7:29 PM Why would anybody who has a chance to play on a top line in Chicago go anywhere else especially if the money is the same? - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/15/rangers-in-the-running-for-jimmy-vesey-but-not-alone/#comment-2795926

stevielegs


Wed Aug 17 2016 2:19 pm EST

VESEY: I believe his agent just played his hand in the negotiation which he is holding all the cards.. by giving BOSTON the last meeting and the chance to have a best and final offer... its obvious that VESEY is leaning towards BOSTON.. if he was being really impartial he would have given BUFFALO the last shot as a professional courtesy since they owned his rights last....

schneidw


Wed Aug 17 2016 2:10 pm EST

I like the way Gorton has been filling Hartford, instead of signing the journeymen fodder.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 17 2016 1:52 pm EST

Rangers sign John Gilmour NCAA d-man

tlats


Wed Aug 17 2016 1:51 pm EST

Aint Vesey but….Rangers have signed Providence College lefty defenseman John GILMOUR –no relation to Doug –to a two-way contract. Was drafted by the Flames…went to free agency. Was a big part of their championship team. Kind of the type of defender the Rangers have been targeting. Quick, solid defenseman. Good point shot. Some highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBzArTWoGaY

tdchi


Wed Aug 17 2016 1:14 pm EST

Ah, the "Bung-Holio effect"... Napolean Buttman should adjust the parameters so that teams & players in this situation have the option..... https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592 .... Rhet: T/Y

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 12:36 pm EST

MF... Yes, his Limited NTC kicks in on 7/1 and he will need to provide the NYR with a list of 15 teams that he's be willing to accept a trade to(upon request by the team). Too bad it will be after the Expansion Draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 17 2016 12:34 pm EST

RHET - Of course I'm being judgemental, it's my judgement of the situation..Better than just sitting on the proverbial fence....I have zero problem with him playing anywhere and for whatever reason he chooses..It's his choice..But the agent sounds like a bold faced liar to say that Detroit is too far home..but continues negotiating with Chicago? Just irks me. although it matters little.

Hospo


Wed Aug 17 2016 12:10 pm EST

RHET: Does Girardi's contract call for a limited NTC at the end of this upcoming season? If so, doesn't he have to submit a list of teams he'd accept a trade to? If not, we can buy him out and not use up a "protected spot" before the expansion draft.. If he has a good season, his trade value goes up, so much the better, AND we can eat up to the amount of the Cap Hit in a trade and be delta neutral dollar wise, but we get something in return.... You getting this RF ?

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 12:05 pm EST

Pete & Re-Pete went walking down the street..... Let Effin AV coach to the talent he has.. If he doesn't, get him out of here.... ""Trade Hayes to Arizona for Hanzal & a pick, sign Hudler, keep the D as is, let the lower dozen fight for the two remaining roster spots on the line-up & drop the puck.""

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 11:47 am EST

Hospo..... You're being a bit judgmental, no?. Who of us would not want to take advantage of being a FA if we were in his shoes? In regard to Detroit, maybe he was just being nice and letting them down easy. Also, who is to say that he doesn't want to play closer to home? Maybe Chicago already knows this and want the opportunity to change his mind. Why wouldn't a player give a team like the Blackhawks the chance to woo him(3 cups in 6 years)? It's a one in a lifetime opportunity for the kid, I can't blame him for wanting to take advantage of it. Also, Buffalo fans need to stop taking their anger out on Vesey. He said from the beginiing that he was going to Free Agency. Their GM is the one who wasted a 3rd round pick on his rights even knowing this ahead of time.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 17 2016 11:07 am EST

If VESEY is still meeting with CHICAGO, then he and his scumbag agent were blowing smoke up Detroit's ass when saying he wanted to play closer to home...Get this shit done and move on so the Rangers know what they can or have to deal for an offensive/PP d-man...

Hospo


Wed Aug 17 2016 10:15 am EST

Imagin that, 3 lines that can score with a defensively aware & speedy 4th line.... Stepan / Zibby / Hanzal & pickem down the spine instead of Stepan / Brassard / Hayes & Moore...... Hey Vesey, go sign elsewhere already so we can trade Haze !

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 10:11 am EST

Nash / Stepan / MZA / Kid K / Zibby / Miller / Hanzal / BuchKnish / Hudler / Fast (on 4th line) / Grabher / Gerbel ....... There's our 12 forwards with Jooris #13 and the rest can fight their way onto the line-up as it should be..... "don't should all over yourself!" :-)

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 9:48 am EST

Trade Hayes to Arizona for Hanzal & a pick, sign Hudler, keep the D as is, let the lower dozen fight for the two remaining roster spots on the line-up & drop the puck. (end of rant)

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 9:25 am EST

VESEY, "it's Wednesday!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V8wDnSopaY

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 9:08 am EST

Mark Divver ‏@MarkDivver ..... "Jimmy Vesey & his agents scheduled to meet with Chicago, Rangers, Bruins today, per source".... it's also been reported that Vesey was going to give the Bruins the last shot at him so maybe this wont drag on for too long. Chicago would struggle to give him a 2nd contract(which is a pre-requisite for him), so I don't think there's a chance he goes there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 17 2016 8:47 am EST

OLA: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/swedish-referee-loses-finger-after-hand-caught-in-boards-during-pre-season-game/

mf


Wed Aug 17 2016 8:41 am EST

Andrew Gross will now be covering the Devils.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 17 2016 8:22 am EST

I suppose if somehow he gets Girardi and/or Staal to waive their NMCs, but I ain't holding my breath on that (and who wants G with his albatross contract anyways).

RF4L


Wed Aug 17 2016 8:21 am EST

gene: Don't disagree but if that's the case and Gorther intends to keep his word and alter the leadership core, what deals might transpire (unless he considers moving out Brassard addresses that goal, which I don't think it does)?

RF4L


Wed Aug 17 2016 7:46 am EST

TD: This is for you, seeing as you're a Trouba fan (it's an interesting article about 3 players with expired ELC looking for big money on their 2nd deals): http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-trouba-rfa-byfuglien-monahan-gaudreau/

RF4L


Wed Aug 17 2016 7:21 am EST

The more I think about it, if Vesey signs with the Rangers it would make more sense to keep Nash than trade him. Kreider, Vesey, and Nash on the left wing plus MZA, Miller, and Buch gives us the prospect of three scoring lines-- a blueprint Pittsburg used to the cup. I would look to see how the D worked with those forwards before any move is made.

gene_carr


Wed Aug 17 2016 7:15 am EST

The Vesey hype is helped of course by 1) these doggie days of August and 2) the cap has reduced the number of trades overall. I concur that there's a good chance this kid will struggle and maybe in part because of the hype. That said, I still want him to sign with the Rangers, thanks in large part to Sather's adoration of trading away high picks.

RF4L


Wed Aug 17 2016 6:56 am EST

Vessey the hype is insane would this kid have gone top three in this year's draft? No. I doubt he would have went top 8 but the buzz around this kid is like he's a generational talent. Does getting this kid turn this team into a contender? No so IMO they get him great hea an asset to maybe trade someone else they don't no huge loss here.

York18


Wed Aug 17 2016 5:09 am EST

TradeStar- Yeah, I don't think the new blood we will get from Buch and can get from Vesey opens up all that much room to deplete the roster of scoring in October 2016. Remember that Zinbanejad is a much less proven scorer than Brass to start with. A not insignificant part of Zs offensive production comes from playing with Karlsson in Ottawa. Going into this season, the biggest pressure to produce will and should be on Zucc, Nash, Step and even Kreider. If we get there, Buch could certainly open up for a move of Zucc if we want to and Vesey along with increased performance by Kreider could open up for a move of Nash. But I am not sold on that its smart to make those moves now, counting your eggs before they are hatched so to speak...

Ola


Wed Aug 17 2016 12:58 am EST

I think JV signs with the Rangers......I also think the Rangers keep Ricky Nash too.

TradeStar28


Tue Aug 16 2016 8:47 pm EST

E - Then you make it worth their while to answer their phone..If you can't this is gonna be one long season..MF - all along I've thought it's going to be Mcilrath that ends up being a 7th D-man or traded..Even if we don't trade for a RHS d-man...and Girardi will be 2nd pair....we'll see soon enough..

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 8:10 pm EST

BUCHNEVICH highlights.... A reason for optimism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybCAUq6XIWg ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68YHlRGMSh4

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 8:06 pm EST

Jimmy Vesey has reportedly told the Detroit Red Wings that he’s looking to remain closer to his hometown of Boston. If true, that would leave his options down to NYR, NYI and BOS.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 16 2016 6:43 pm EST

HOSPO: I cannot disagree because my crystal ball pretty much sucks. But I really question how much "action" will be occurring prior to the deadline where teams go insane. If that's the case Vesey might give you some flexibility but is anyone else answering the phone? Just not sure.

E


Tue Aug 16 2016 5:43 pm EST

Hospo, IMO it's coming and with the signing of HOLDEN I've got to believe it'll be a RHS D'man.... Thing is, who gets squeezed out, McIlrath / Girardi / Klein? This is why I want to know if Girardi has agreed to waive..... OAN; If Vesey signs elsewhere there's nothing we can do about it, we can still make a trade for said D'man.. Jiri Hudler is still an UFA.....

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 4:36 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEs6e0FdwU

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 4:34 pm EST

E - The way singing Vesey can make or break the season is by allowing the Rangers (or making them feel more comfortable) to trade another one of their forwards, vet or youngster, for the offensive/PP d-man they desperately need

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 4:29 pm EST

I also point out that if a guy like Vesey came in and scored 15-20 goals that would be an outstanding season. In other words he ain't gonna make or break the by this next seson. I just think the hype on the guy borders lunacy. He may be a player or he may not. There is so much hype that the letdown is inevitable. I mean look at Hayes. Came out looking like an impact player till last season when his prance pony schtick just got old quick.

E


Tue Aug 16 2016 4:17 pm EST

STEVIE - You throw all of today's Vesey news and handicapping together and it seems like the top choices might be the Rangers and Devils..But, who the hell knows..Honestly, the kid looks like a big softie just like Hayes,,,

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 4:12 pm EST

E - he was, but that doesn't matter anymore.as you noted, he slipped badly last year beginning with the assanine Stool experiment.....I wish we had somebody better than both Joori and Laperriere to start the season, but let them fight for the spot and the best player (not youngest or oldest) wins....until Lindberger is healthy

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 4:01 pm EST

http://www.csnne.com/gallery-boston-bruins/handicapping-jimmy-vesey-sweeptstakes

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 3:51 pm EST

I think Dom Moore WAS a much better player then LaPierre. Moore had a relentless pressuring ability. He hawked the puck constantly. Very understated player. Totally looked like a shell of who he was.

E


Tue Aug 16 2016 3:03 pm EST

I'll assume hayes, fast and grabner...that leaves up to 9 guys for 3-5 spots...have fun weeknow and fishboy...Hartford awaits your discards.....or trade bait .....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 2:54 pm EST

STEVIE - As is, that's how i see it also... Unless the Rangers re-consider JT MILLER at his natural C position

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 2:49 pm EST

so nash kid k miller zbad stepan zucc are the top 6....bottom 6 from hayes, buch, fast, grabner, grebe, glass, lepair, hrvik, Jensen, jooris, cheesy, and maybe vescey,,,,did I miss anyone ? 12 for 6-8 spots......

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 2:12 pm EST

And, Honestly, the 4th line measn little if the 3rd line is a mess, which it was most of last year...So much depends on huge question marks---Hayes. Buch's readiness, Vesey...The best the rangers could do for a third line may very well be Fast-Hayes-Grabner with something like hrviak/gerbel-Jooris/Lap-Jensen/glass...Quantity not quality...

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 2:07 pm EST

nothing like having a logjam on the 4th line....reprogram the generator....play a different 4th line each game.....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 2:06 pm EST

TDCHI - Laperierre's offense has welled up?What does that make JOORIS' atrocious 4 GOALS in 60 GP. last year???.Guy was as insignificant as they come....Maybe going to the Swis/SEL leagues (10 GOALS in 40 Games) was a good thing for Laperierre?..OTOH, he might be a total bust like the last player we got from there--Mike LOmbardi....Won't know until he comes back...Still, when you throw in his FO ability and the nasty way he plays, no way he can do worse than what Jooris did... ...And boy do we view the potential of a bottom line (FAST will be a lock for 3rd line and the weak defensive players who will be there) if it includes invisible players like Gerbel, Joores, Hrivak, ..I have some hope for Jensen and Grabner, but still nothing I would count on

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 1:29 pm EST

I'm not for or against LAPIERRE so to speak, but I view him as Dom MOORE with an edge...The last I saw of him was the 2015 playoffs and if I remember correctly, he was pretty much a joke. All he could really do was try to goad the Rangers into taking penalties. Then again, that whole Pens team was a mess...so who knows? I agree, I'd like someone who can nail faceoffs in the center and I'm always for getting another guy who can get under the skin of opponents...but Lapierre's offense --what little of it he had --has all but welled up...the guy wasn't even putting up Dom MOORE'S numbers three seasons ago...can't have that on fourth line anymore. You've got to have guys who know how to hit the back of the net...I mean, pundits were marveling about how Sully used four lines effectively last year like it was some marvel or something...in reality, every team that has won the cup in modern times has had a strong bottom six...and by strong, I mean a line that, at the very least, is a scoring threat. Rangers have STILL not managed to produce a team that is a threat from the bottom up..I think if you have any combo of Jooris, Gerbe Grabner, Fast, Lindberg, Hrivik and Jensen on fourth, you've got one hell of a line and, at bare minimum, is a threat to pot a goal. Put Laps and Glass on a line? You have guys who can grind and hit...but score? Not a chance.

tdchi


Tue Aug 16 2016 1:22 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/five-intriguing-college-free-agents-not-named-jimmy-vesey/

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 1:02 pm EST

VESEY has already told DETROIT a big fat NO becasue he wants to play closer to hom....Now, if they are honest, wouldn't that also mean CHICAGO might be too far also..Could very well come down to BOS and the three NY-NJ Metropolitan teams..,And Rangers would stand a good chance...

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 1:01 pm EST

patience!

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:52 pm EST

moof what's he been doing for the last 2 months?....contemplating his navel ? ....put the names in a hat .....what is this monty hall lets make a deal?...door 1 , no 2, no 3, no 1...?....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:46 pm EST

MF - I don't know. since the money is going to be pretty much the same, you would think if Vesey and his agent had doen a little homework about the teams ,he would more then likely already know his final or, at worst, final l3 teams..Then again, ego likes to be stroked,..

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:42 pm EST

SLegs: read last night that the kid & or his agent thinks a decision will be made somewhere btwn this Firday & Monday... That's pretty quick to weigh the half dozen or so options he has outside of Beefalo.... jmon

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:40 pm EST

If Vesey signs elsewhere, the 1st thing I want to know is whether Girardi agreed to waive... 2nd, has Staal agreed to waive.....

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:36 pm EST

no this kid vescey is a pain...with 8/15 deadline now extended to whenever... gms are waiting for this brat.....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:34 pm EST

Saw the movie. Did you mean Bung-Holio needs to wake up?

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:22 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/celebrities-are-tweeting-to-jimmy-vesey-to-come-to-the-rangers/195860860

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:17 pm EST

moof have you seen the concussion movie?.....vescey needs to wtfu .....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:16 pm EST

You would hope that Vesey and his scumbag agent will let the teams that are out of it know instead of twisting in the wind.. Unfortunately, or fortunately, the Rangers almost always end up in the final group..

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 11:55 am EST

This Vesey ordeal is holding up Beefalo (imo) http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/sabres-bylsma-says-talks-with-girgensons-ristolainen-are-progressing/

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 11:46 am EST

“The NHL should look to the NFL at a minimum for some guidance on a possible link rather than callously dismissing such a casual connection, despite mounting evidence.” ... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/u-s-senator-says-nhl-sending-conflicting-mixed-messages-on-concussions-cte/

mf


Tue Aug 16 2016 11:13 am EST

bLUEbLOOD - I don't think too many people are piling on JOORIS...Moght just be me....I just don't think he's much of anything...A hard working decent skating 4th liner/Black Ace who may score 5-10 goals..basically the same thing Dom Moore is right now also..I'd really not want either but would take Moore (and Laperiierre) for one year over Jooris becasue of FOs and PO experience..It's still about winning POs..

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 10:42 am EST

not sure why so many here are piling on Jooris...certainly looks decent based on the videos I have seen. Better hands than Moore. https://youtu.be/B7g61Ks_--g

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Aug 16 2016 10:34 am EST

TDCHI - You may be right in both cases....We'll see I just have this feeling on Laperriere as somebody AV will want, especially after watching the Canuck-Bruin series the other day where he was a big part of that Vancouver team.......But, it should all come down to perfromance NOW,...When do the pre-season games start? :)

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 9:46 am EST

HOSPO: I cannot speak with authority re: Gerbe. Stats aside I'll take your word for it. But then there is still Jesus Joorus. Oi!

E


Tue Aug 16 2016 9:45 am EST

I actually think you can pencil LaPierre in for at least the start of the season. Gonna need a 4th centerman. I don't think he'll hold down a spot against Lindberg when he returns but that is why I think LaPierre is being brought in. Unless his game has eroded to the point of no return. And I guess you cannot have too much 4th line depth so the coach has options.

E


Tue Aug 16 2016 7:43 am EST

how many guys are vying for the bottom 6....who's a new candidate for the top 6 ? ....14 + forwards. i can think of at least 4 not on this list....so 18-20 guys for 13 -14 spots. ...http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 6:49 am EST

Hospo - I don't see LaPIERRE making this team unless there is a significant shuffle of the top nine and, as you say, a guy like GRABNER ends up there. I think he's in camp as an insurance policy if they can't find anyone to fill in for LINDBERG for the first month. And I think you're selling JOORIS way short. We shall see.

tdchi


Tue Aug 16 2016 6:06 am EST

Hospo i hope the nyr are still picking guys with character being important . ...if this kid vescey is another delusional hayes, no thank you....maybe that's why they are 'friends'....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:13 am EST

TDCHI - The NHL is a long time and a long way from UNION College..Jooris works hard like 95% of the NHLers..He's made himself into an NHLer ..but an inconsistent 4th liner type...And If that is the Rangers 4th line, this team is in more troube than i thought..Personally, I won't be surprised to see MAX Laperierre being of more help (FOS and an asshole and the AV connection) than Jooris and possibly beating him out....and Hopefully JENSEN can do the same with Gerbel....And where it gets even worse is if guys like BUCH aren't ready (Grabner will then be a 3rd liner)

Hospo


Tue Aug 16 2016 12:02 am EST

TD: will Hayes fetch us Hanzal if Vesey signs elsewhere?

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 11:19 pm EST

mf - re: HANZAL - what I'm trying to say is that I don't see them trading him unless it's for another center...maybe at the deadline if he's sniffing around for a big contract...but I just don't see it happening...re: HAYES - I think the Rangers could get a decent NHL-ready prospect and maybe a second or third rounder. The Panthers got Reilly SMITH for his brother, and Jimmy doesn't have nearly the upside. I know fans are pretty down on him...and rightly so...but I bet if the Rangers threw a for-sale sign on Hayes, they'd find themselves with a nice little return.

tdchi


Mon Aug 15 2016 11:15 pm EST

E - I've seen plenty of JOORIS from his days at Union College and I think Ranger fans will be pleasantly surprised with what he brings. Is he the next big thing? Hell no. But he's a tenacious player, he's got speed and he can score goals. He's an ideal bottom line player. Another thing? He's a hard worker. I tell you what: If there's something guys from Union have in common it's work ethic. They can't glide through school on a hockey scholarship like the guys at the bigger universities...and the need to take the same core course load as their peers...can't major in Phys Ed at Union...so the players really have to bust their asses on and off the ice. The guys that have come from that program aren't always the most talented...but they have a work ethic that is genuine. Jooris has that going for him. I was hoping they'd sign him...even mentioned it in a post...make no mistake, he's a very good signing. In fact, I like all three bottom line players...sounds like Jooris might center GERBE and GRABNER...I think it's a line that will give teams fits...fast, aggressive, relentless. I just hope AV doesn't piss in the porridge by throwing GLASS into the mix.

tdchi


Mon Aug 15 2016 9:57 pm EST

Amen Hospo

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 9:08 pm EST

Vesey sounds like one those stuck up high school college football recruits who think they are the 2nd coming becasue they are being recruited by 10 schools...Screw him......HANZAL would be the perfect center for this team...very good at FOs..Big, strong, plays with an edge...goes both ways..played real well with Duclair and Domi last year before getting hurt....and that's Hanzal's ony issue...He gets hurt too often..

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:58 pm EST

Mr vescey hockey is a fast sport ... Get your ass in gear and decide ...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:26 pm EST

The wait for Jimmy Vesey and the NHL teams hoping to sign him could soon be over. Vesey's agent, Peter Fish, said Monday he did not except an immediate resolution once the forward becomes a free agent Tuesday, but it would not be a drawn-out process either. ''It's certainly not going to be tomorrow,'' Fish told The Associated Press. ''I would say the earliest may be Friday or Saturday, but I wouldn't expect it to drag on much into the following week.'' ..... https://www.nhl.com/news/jimmy-vesey-decision-may-take-a-few-days/c-281344750

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:20 pm EST

TD: 1st, you give cut bait a whole new angle. ;-) 2nd, since when is Hanzal a 1st line center? Answer, when youre Arizona.. The guy is a 3rd line center on a decent team & IMO, we're a decent team... I'd still want him for the 3rd line..... Back to cutting bait; very interesting on your part that the appearance of holding on to Hayes this long "may" be an attempt to lure Vesey into signing here..... & if he does not, well, what might Hayes fetch us?

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:04 pm EST

E - Gerbel is here for one thing...PK..I watched him play quite a few games and outsie the PK, hre outright sucked and was as insignidicant as they come..DOn't care what the stats say....Grabner is here just for the PK because otherwinse he is Gee Carr incarnate..As I said before, fixing the PK is a drop in the bucket to the other huge issues this team has as it stands now...........As for JOORIS, I do not mind having him as a 4th liner/Black Ace, but that's all he is or will be..

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 7:03 pm EST

MF: Handzo may be a big dude but Gerbe is 67.81 Corsi Against per 60 at 4v5 over the past three seasons. That's why he is here. He is a PK specialist. I don't care if he is 3'5 he keeps you off the scoring sheet. The New York Rangers need to get all the way back to their traditional PK swagger. Imagine a New York Rangers team last season that wasn't rated at the bottom of the league in PK? How many points did the New York Rangers give up because of that moribund unit?

E


Mon Aug 15 2016 7:01 pm EST

mf - Uh...you're bringing us HANZAL and putting him on fourth line?!? Think that would be a good way to get him to bolt the minute he's a free agent! The guy is and will remain the Yotes' first-line center until STROME or DVORAK prove themselves. I don't think he's going anywhere unless someone like STEPAN is going the other way.

tdchi


Mon Aug 15 2016 6:43 pm EST

Hanzal & Gerbel....... 6'6" & 5'5"

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 6:13 pm EST

Gerbel, Jooris and Jasper. Might make me forget Stool.

Bob


Mon Aug 15 2016 5:59 pm EST

HOSPO: I was talking to a friend of mine who was a Flames fan and told me that Joorus is a pretty tenacious hockey player. Physical and fast. He might actually be a surprise as a 4th liner.

E


Mon Aug 15 2016 5:56 pm EST

Gerbel and Jooris...LOL...sounds like a cartoon show!

RF4L


Mon Aug 15 2016 5:40 pm EST

Moofy fishboy is on the frugal train ... A ronzoni... He don't need your stinkin hanzal or Gretel... Follow the breadcrumbs ...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 5:08 pm EST

Sleevy: all spilled milk :-) .... $2 on Hanzal on the 4th! The dude is 6'6" with a mean streak, Hanzal / Grabner and whatever piece of leftover salmon on the 4th sounds good to me...... And as far as the youth movement is concerned, he's 5 years young than Dom Moore, and FTR McIlrath is 15 years younger than Dan Boyle........

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 5:02 pm EST

Hanzal won 56% of his FO's (1047- 586W-461L) He also had 3PPG, 1 SHG, & 2 of his 13 goals were GWG's..............http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&report=realtime&season=20152016&gameType=2&sort=gamesPlayed&aggregate=0&pos=S ..................... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5221

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:57 pm EST

Moof they could have signed vermin for free for 2 years for that amount , but who knows that story . .. Now it's the vescey story in about 6 hours ...after that another story or rumor ... And so it goes... Nothing to see here until October ...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:44 pm EST

Martin Hanzal is in the last year of a contract which pays him $3.1 mill per... Any opinions on bringing him in for 4th line and occasional 3rd line duty? Hanzal as our 4th line pivot for the next couple of yrs may be good for the club & a way to keep him healthy by limiting his minutes....... If we dump Glass & factor in the addition of Buchknish, we'd have 14 forwards Not including Jensen or any prospect vying for a roster spot...... As for The Lindberg Baby, he may need to shift him to the wing if Baby Huey Haze plays center.......

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:43 pm EST

Hospo this team is not worth blowing a gasket on until they prove they are really trying to win it all ....not just the bs play for the tie get in the playoffs . ...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:38 pm EST

That should have read "poster child"....

Vic


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:37 pm EST

ANDREI: Yes, I realize that VERMETTE may have gone to Anaheim for reasons other then money. But again I ask, did the Rangers even try to sign him. There were no rumors that they were even interested. Lord knows I am all for young players. I am the post child here for "get them young and trade them away a year early rather then a year late". However, the Rangers are thin depth wise. Oh they have a bunch of bodies. But their bottom 6 is weak and they are lacking a bottom 6 center that can win draws. VERMETTE could have helped and would have been a minimal risk/investment for under $2 Mil per year for 2 years. We aren't talking about another DAN BOYLE here, who was almost 5 years older an was being paid $5 Mil per for 2 years. I hated the idea of making a YANDLE-like deal to acquire VERMETTE 18 months ago. But if he could have been signed as a UFA on such a short and inexpensive contract I'm in. And for HAYES and every other young guy on the team who would be threatened by a VERMETTE signing I say "go out and prove you are better. Go out and earn your ice time. Go out and take it away from him".

Vic


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:27 pm EST

TDCHI - First off, LINDBERGER is a question mark as a 3rd C..Not just his helath, but his consistency.... while Gerbel and Jooris are more 4th liner/Black Aces than capable of moving up to 3rd c..Either of them in the top 9 is a disaster..JMWO

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:24 pm EST

TDCHI - Vermetts slippage in defensive rating is that he was playing too many minutes in the to 6 spots the last two years...You see how CHICAGO used him and the god damn cup they got partly because of how Vermette played and his 3 GWGs?..He's much more than a FO guy, but he's not a top 6...The guy needs to be played as a 3rd C..nothing more.......And I'm all for Hayes be played at other spots...but he looked totally lost, totally week andtotally feeble at wing...Alot is his attitude though...He could play wing if he wanted to pay the price...He hasn't shown he wants to be that type of player...Rather to swoops and circles and figure 8's with the puck..

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:18 pm EST

ANDREI - Age does mean something for the construction and the entire roster, not for the determination of every individual position. Personally, I think Vermette is a better 3rd C than Hayes right now and would love to have hm for a year or two (and figure out HAYES as we go along)...But hey, winning doesn't mean anything...watching youngsters and prospects is what it's all about around here,,

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 4:10 pm EST

Re: HAYES - Something just occurred to me...if/when VESEY signs with Chicago/Toronto/Somewhere other than the Rangers, could it be his friend Hayes who is on the first bus out of town? Sure seemed like he had played his last game as a Ranger when he was getting scratched in two consecutive games...even though Oscar LINDBERG was playing injured and the Rangers desperately seemed like they needed help scoring...Could it be they're holding onto him as bait for Vesey and when said bait doesn't work, they cut him? Think Lindberg is the third-line center of the future and the team could easily get by during his absence by moving MILLER there temporarily...or using either GERBE or JOORIS in that capacity for the short term...Hayes, to me, seemed like the easy odd man out...the fact he's still here is a bit of a mystery to me given that he's a guy who the Rangers could probably land get a decent return...definitely an NHL ready prospect...maybe a pick too....Wonder if he's still a Ranger by week's end...

tdchi


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:57 pm EST

re: VERMETTE...a giant, exhausted 'MEH' on this one...The only thing that seemed to fit with him was that he's very good on faceoffs. Scouting is/was that it's his defensive game that has suffered, not his offense...and quite frankly, that's what we need for our third or fourth line center --a guy who can play solid D and pot a few goals in between. We have that guy and he's named Oscar LINDBERG...I've long believed HAYES' future on this team, if it exists, is on the wing...When Lindberg comes back, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take over third-line pivot detail...and on fourth, we've got a combo of GERBE, JOORIS and/or HRIVIK...so Vermette's best hope on this team would have been to center fourth line, and I'm not sure he really wanted to do that even for more money than the Ducks gave him.

tdchi


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:52 pm EST

HOSPO--Surely would would not rather have Vermette than your main man Jasper!

Bob


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:42 pm EST

E: there was an article in The Hockey News that Detroit may be willing to part with Nyqvist & or Tater in return for defensive help....... I'm of the opinion that once Vesey chooses a team, we'll see some activity.... I'm curious & impatient to hear whether Girardi or Staal are willing to waive their NMC'S ..... all jmon

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:40 pm EST

moof send that quote to weeknow .....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:35 pm EST

Vesey: The deer ticks........ 7.5 hours

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:33 pm EST

“We’ve got more skill than we’ve ever had since I’ve been here,” Hitchcock told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch’s Tom Timmermann in May 2015. “But skilled, careful hockey doesn’t win. You’ve got to play reckless. We need to get back to the reckless play we had before. That’s what Doug and I talked about. You can do it and still be responsible. But we’ve got to get back to reckless play. We’ve got to ask more people to be involved offensively and defensively.” ....... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blues-set-for-significant-change-to-playing-style-with-coaching-duo-of-hitchcock-yeo/

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:28 pm EST

Hospo, at the end of the day, age is a major factor. This is a new NHL, where prime years are now considered to be between 25 and 28, and where players over 34 are now considered to be too old. To me, signing a 34 year old on the decline, is not a good way to improve the roster.

andrei


Mon Aug 15 2016 3:12 pm EST

Andrei- Why does everything have to be based on age? You get/play the better player not the younger (or older player),..If you think HAYES is a better all around player then Vermette and a better option at C, then there's no need fo Vermette.. Not becasue he's 24.....ANd I guess the Rangers do...Personally, with how horrendous Hayes' effort was last year, how bad he is at defense and at FOs. and how physically weak he was, I find it hard to beleive that he is an ideal option for 3rd C...But, he can lean and improve and, hey,, Gorton knows much more than me...

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:57 pm EST

Vic, when certain player signs with the certain team, like with Antoine Vermette signing with Anaheim, it not necessary means that Rangers or any other team, for that matter, missed a chance to sign him. Maybe he only wanted to sign with Anaheim. Maybe from the cup contending teams, only Anaheim had a cap and a roster spot to sign him. Personally, i'm glad that Rangers had passed on signing him. He is 34 years old, and his production has declined every year. Last season he scored 38 points. Just to compare, Kevin Hayes scored 36 points. Even Jasper Fast scored 30 points. Much rather see a roster spot taking by someone who is 24, then someone, who is on the wrong side of 30.

andrei


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:50 pm EST

E - if we don't get that D-man before the season, hell, maybe we'll just be sellers at the deadline.!!!.....Klein and then Girarid and then Clendenning (likley) with Mcilrtaht as a reserve on the RHS does not give me the warm and fuzzies,,,,And I don't like switching a rookie over their either and maybe have him flounder and lose confidence..

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:47 pm EST

Didn't expect VERMETTE to sign here, but it still sucks that he went elsewher and for so cheap..He will give the Ducks a fine 3rd C...The Ranger are just too much in love with this douche bag Kevin Hays and feel complelled to validate the expense laid out for him...Guy and his attitude just worries me...Plus, he's is not a wing or a center (except for his passing)..A hard fit for teamates nobody..Pray to god, let me be wrong

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:44 pm EST

Quick points: 1. I read/heard thru one of the NHL media sources that Shattenkirk was told that he is gonna be in a Blues jersey when the season starts. 2. In the case of offensive/defenseman out there it was recently pointed out to me that Detroit is also in the hunt and they have arguably better assets that they could move. It's a market that high in demand and low in supply. I just question how much if any movement there will be until the deadline and after the season where teams are moving assets around in prep for the expansion draft.

E


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:30 pm EST

PUCK: That is my expectation as well. After that kid signs somewhere (hopefully NY) the Rangers will have a clearer picture of how much cap space they have. They will also have maybe another forward to add to the mix. That may clear the way for the trade that most of us feel is coming. It just feels like one of NASH, GIRARDI or STAAL is going to get dealt (or included in a deal) that will bring back the offensive defenseman that they are in need of. Could be SHATENKIRK......could be BARRIE..........could be someone else. Hopefully something happens this month.

Vic


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:26 pm EST

So VERMETTE goes to Anaheim for 2 years and a total of $3.5 Mil. I said here a week or so ago if the Rangers could sign him for 2 years at $2 Mil per year they should jump all over him. Apparently he went for even less. The Rangers missed out here. He could have really helped that bottom 6. He would have been a low risk, high reward kind of signing. I know GORTHER is partial to the high risk, low reward type of player acquisitions but would it hurt to try it the other way once in a while GLEFF??!!??

Vic


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:11 pm EST

I think the deal with Vesey, if it happens, will be NYR dealing Nash for Shatty or something similar to open up a LW spot.

puckyou


Mon Aug 15 2016 2:09 pm EST

It's gonna be tough for Vesey to say no to Toronto, since they hired his Dad a year ago as a scout for leverage. we shall see.

puckyou


Mon Aug 15 2016 1:54 pm EST

Jiri Hudler is still available.... IMO a very safe signing.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2898

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 1:51 pm EST

TD: nothing wrong at all with signing a young Dom Moore to this team. If Vesey had dominated Hockey East rather than the ECAC, I'd be a little more warm to his high end upside. My optimism is also constrained by another Harvard guy, Louis Leblanc, a first round pick in 2009 (I think?), who just announced his retirement from pro hockey a couple of months ago. Barely got a sniff in the NHL and is now back hitting the books in Cambridge. Vermette signs with the Ducks.

VtRanger


Mon Aug 15 2016 1:23 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-radim-vrbata-set-to-return-to-coyotes-on-one-year-deal/

mf


Mon Aug 15 2016 12:40 pm EST

VtRanger - Oddly enough, the description of VESEY also seems very in tune with the one that followed Dom MOORE to the Rangers way back when...That said, I do think the kid has a higher upside than Moore did at Harvard. And if you hear Vesey's teammates talk about him, you'd think he's a force of nature out on the ice...all that said: If you could sign a 23-year-old Dom Moore tomorrow, you do it. The guy may never clear 30 or 40 points in the NHL, but he's a solid addition to any roster...on a side note, it never settled well with me when the Rangers moved Moore the first time...thought there was room for him to grow with a young Rangers team...and he would have been a good player to have all those years when they were so weak up the middle...but back to Vesey...Really, if the Hawks are indeed after him hot and heavy as they are rumored to be, there is no other team that can really compete with that kind of an offer...Chicago is an awesome city, he's not going to be under nearly the pressure to produce he would be in Boston or even New York and some reports say they want to put him along side Jon TOEWS...so you get to skate for a l solid cup contender with a lot of good young players still coming into the lineup and along side a future hall-of-fame captain of the team. Tough to pass that up...and if reports that the Hawks want him alongside Toews are true, then maybe the hype about this kid is warranted...

tdchi


Mon Aug 15 2016 12:11 pm EST

RF4L - For some of the reasons you mention, A bunch of us have been saying it for months,, It's all pretty obvious that the Rangers need a top two pair offensive D-man and one that can succeed on the PP...It's mandatory.....OTOH, it's also something that will cost...The more assets ypu can build up, and build up your trade chips, the better you are...Signing Vesy helps in that regard big time making a host of other forwards "more avaiable"..Signing VERMETTE would do the same exact thing although I highly doubt that one will happen.

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 11:49 am EST

I, too, like the idea of signing Vesey but share the sentiment that he may not turn out to be the star some are suggesting he will be. If he proves to be a legitimate NHLer that's a good thing for the Ranger organization for obvious reasons. What I am equally (if not moreso) curious about is if, as some are saying, Gorther is sitting on another move or 2 that will be executed once the Vesey decision is made (be it signing with the Rangers or elsewhere). Just what might that be? The desire to trade Nash is palatable on here at times but he is the Rangers most talented forward and regardless of what one thinks about him, he will be missed. And all the 'experts' keep writing about the Rangers aging and ineffective defense - gone are Boyle and Yandleway and added are Holden and Glendenning. Is that an upgrade? I'm thinking no....

RF4L


Mon Aug 15 2016 10:57 am EST

Vtranger - You beat me to it..:)

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 10:56 am EST

I ain't as hopped up on VESEY as most here, especially given his friendship with HAYES and I also don't think it's a given that he will come in and successfully be a Top 9 contributor (even if that it what is PROMISED)...but I love the potential signing as far as increasing the talent/prospect base and I like the scenario where we might be depending on total readiness of one of VESEY or BUCH, rather then just BUCH himslef...I guess we'll see by the weekend

Hospo


Mon Aug 15 2016 10:53 am EST

Given the lack of quality forwards in the system, I'd be very happy if Vesey signs. But I'm not getting excited about it. His career numbers over 4 years at Harvard are very similar to another 3rd round pick from that program: our very own Dom Moore. I think it's more likely than not that Vesey has a Moore-like career than a high-end top six.

VtRanger


Mon Aug 15 2016 10:45 am EST

keep fishing ....The Rangers most certainly could use another top-six type forward, and their GM, Jeff Gorton, has a good relationship with Vesey’s agent, Peter Fish, who also represented Rangers’ director of player development Chris Drury, as Yahoo noted. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/08/15/rangers-in-the-running-for-jimmy-vesey-but-not-alone/#sthash.9I52oVIL.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 9:06 am EST

fishboy fish is brain food ? if they're so smart why do they get caught....?.....is that why they travel in schools?.....good luck on your fishing expedition.....keep making moves , it's hard to hit a moving target...watch out for nets.....barracuda....catfish...bluefish.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:58 am EST

Wild: Thanks for the info!

evets1980


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:25 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/8/15/12480876/is-jeff-gorton-waiting-for-a-jimmy-vesey-decision-before-making-other-moves

tlats


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:18 am EST

Rf73 only if he's punches weeknow

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:06 am EST

This just in...Rangers looking to sign #25 Blue...Damir Ryspayev.... http://www.skoften.net/item/losgeslagen_kazach_gaat_op_de_vuist_met_een_heel_ijshockeyteam

RF73


Mon Aug 15 2016 8:02 am EST

Vermette vescey ... As the clock ticks ...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 15 2016 7:59 am EST

evets: Yesterday one of the twitter folks posted a screen shot of the rule. He is BUF property THROUGH the 15th, so at midnight tonight (first minute of the 16th) he can sign elsewhere.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 15 2016 7:33 am EST

I'm a little confused this morning... I've read in some places that Vesey becomes a free agent ON August 15th and in other places I've read he's a free agent AFTER August 15th. Does anyone know specifically when Vesey will be able to sign? Today or tomorrow?

evets1980


Mon Aug 15 2016 6:36 am EST

tlats - hope the NYP is right on this one. The guy who said VESEY isn't interested in the Rangers runs a rumor site. And while he isn't exactly accurate all the time, he's pretty plugged in. There's a grain of truth to everything he says...E - that's what I've been saying about the kid all along. I think he'll be a solid NHL forward. But his upside? Not really sure about that. Don't know if he'll ever become a regular top-six forward, much less be at that level straight out of college...seems to me the hype over him has kind of reached epic status...but to play devil's advocate, there are at least two teams that think he has a high upside...the Preds were prepared to give him a spot in their top nine last season...And it seems that Buffalo was/is ready to do the same considering that they gave up a third rounder for him even though told everyone he's going to free agency.

tdchi


Sun Aug 14 2016 5:55 pm EST

Rabid: This ones for you! http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/coyotes-could-wait-to-see-how-things-play-out-before-re-signing-hanzal/

mf


Sun Aug 14 2016 4:58 pm EST

Just gonna echo the remarks of Boomer on XM NHL. Vesey is a decent prospect but as for his upside? Could be good. Lots to like but he is certainly getting media attention that assumes like he is a potential superstar. Probably a long shot.

E


Sun Aug 14 2016 3:44 pm EST

guess fishboy is pushing holes in his lineup to land the kid....and maybe the holes in the brain rust heads....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 14 2016 3:24 pm EST

sounds good on vescey....hopefully.....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 14 2016 2:00 pm EST

RDW: Vesey is one holdup that we're aware of... Have Girardi & or Staal agreed to waive their NMC's? As of now, we don't know, the NYR Brass are holing the cards close to their collective vests, as it should be............. Be that as it may, with two years remaining, when is the proper timing to move Nash? "OR" has he given Gorton a wink and a nod that he will re-up at an extremely cap friendly salary as inducement of two sided loyalty? jmon....

mf


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:58 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/08/14/harvard-hotshot-jimmy-veseys-camp-sees-a-fit-with-rangers/amp/

tlats


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:51 pm EST

Hospo- you're probably right. I doubt he wants 4th line duty and I don't see us moving Hayes so....I guess we'll see over the next day or two what Gorther has planned. I'm not expecting much

RDW


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:49 pm EST

TD: I agree but whatever team can offer him a role that includes more ice time probably won't be a contender. At this point, I think he would be a perfect replacement for Moore with some added goal scoring thown in. Z and Vermette taking defensive zone face-offs on the PK would be an improvement

RDW


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:48 pm EST

RDW - Z-Step_vermette and trading Hayes in a package to get an offensive D-man is even better.......TDCHI --- VERMETTE is a GREAT add if you intend to pllaY him on the THIRD LINE.....4th line would be a waste and other teams surely want him for third line....So, as long as the Rangers and Gorton are foolishly enamore iwith HAYES, I doubt Vermette is a consideration

Hospo


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:42 pm EST

RDW - When he was first bought out, I was thinking stay-away from VERMETTE...that if the Yotes don't want him, that's a very good sign he's not worth it...but looking at his FO percentage, I gotta say he might be a good add...I just don't think he's going to want a role like that...story that was posted here too says his defense has faltered in recent years.

tdchi


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:38 pm EST

Supposedly the Rangers want VESEY, but he's not interested. Chicago the front runner...

tdchi


Sun Aug 14 2016 1:28 pm EST

Wouldn't mind having Vermette as our 4th line center but I just don't see where he fits at the moment. As many have already stated, it looks like Vesey might be the one who is holding up any moves we might be making. Step-Z-Hayes-Vermette would be pretty good IMO

RDW


Sat Aug 13 2016 10:15 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/agent-says-vermette-has-five-offers-decision-should-come-by-monday/

mf


Sat Aug 13 2016 5:53 pm EST

Adding to the last...its only a goalie that can be handled that way....you can stash a kid on a 4th line or a 3rd D pair and use them in situations more when they have a good game, less in a bad game, and help build them up, a goalie can not be used that way, they need starts, the pressure of being the guy and all that, sitting on the bench for 3 out of 4 games doest help them much when they need to play.

Wildcard


Sat Aug 13 2016 5:04 pm EST

RF4L: One thing about goalies...sometimes its not so much the level they get games at, but the number of games they get to work on things. With that, a Goalie can start a season in the ECHL playing every night if the team wants to see some specific thing worked on, then move up to the AHL. Doesn't happen often, but I have seen it, when the G at the AHL is still a prospect and they don't want either sitting on the bench and don't want to do a set rotation. Starting one at the AHL and one at the ECHL level gets them both a ton of minutes early in the year and after a stretch they can have them share the duties. And with a first year pro its not always a bad thing to have a G at a lower level for a couple months IMHO, Just getting to see a lot of rubber can be a big help for a young guy...Its if a young guy goes past a couple months, or does poorly at the ECHL level that you need to be concerned, but simply starting there off the bat with another young guy in the AHL doesn't have to mean the player isn't good enough.

Wildcard


Sat Aug 13 2016 11:57 am EST

And finally goaltending. As much as I like the notion, the King isn't about to be traded so he and Raanta seem like a fine pairing for this season. Given the King's advancing years, however, I sure hope Halverson and/or Shesterkin show progress this season. I believe the latter is the better prospect but we'll get to see the former more because (I assume) he'll be playing for the Pack this year. If he doesn't make the Pack, that won't be good. He'll have to bump one of Hellberg and Skapski, however, to do so. Is that realisitc?

RF4L


Sat Aug 13 2016 11:32 am EST

Hospo: Yeah, that's an issue and why I keep musing about Nash being traded for a young offensive d-man. I would love to see Ryan Ellis as a Ranger. This is a young dynamic player who handles the PP point in a manner similar to Brian Leetch. He's not big, but isn't afraid and would perhaps fit real nicely with McI. I've no idea if he's available, but with Subban and Josi, not to mention Ekholm, the Preds are brimming with players that can produce offense from the blueline. The Preds had 4 d-man with 30 points or more last year. The Rangers had one and he's now plying his trade with the Panthers.

RF4L


Sat Aug 13 2016 11:26 am EST

As many questions that remain unanswered with the forward lines, there are more with the defense and given the contracts of Staal and Girardi, arguably much less flexibility for Gorton to address them. Girardi was horrid last year and while considerably better, Staal had his struggles, too. If both start the year playing as they finished last season, it could be the ruin of the Rangers, unless AV has the gonads to do the right thing and have them spend time in the pressbox (especially Girardi). IMO, AV must be prepared to give both Skeji and McI ample playing time - some turn-over on the backline is imperative if the Rangers want to remain competitive in the longer run. Other than Ryan Graves, there's nothing imminent in the system meaning these 2 (and Graves) are arguably part of the future for the Rangers and that future needs to start now. Of course, if Nash and/or Stepan are traded, that could result in a significant landscape change on the backline. Imagine, for example, Ryan Ellis coming back in a Nash deal and Matt Dumba in a Stepan deal. Suddenly, the look and feel of the Ranger backline is altered considerably and not just for today, but for tomorrow, too because both are young. Those 2 plus Skeji, McI and Graves could be a formidable defense for the next several years (and make McD expendable in the near future - like next summer).

RF4L


Sat Aug 13 2016 11:21 am EST

RF4L - The lines mean jack shit unless the Rangers bring in an offensive PP d-man for the top 4.....A center that can win FOs would be nice also...but guess we'll just have to get used to Hayes and Step losing 60% of their drawss..

Hospo


Sat Aug 13 2016 11:17 am EST

Jimmy Vesey is another wild card in the mix, albeit a long shot wild card. If he's signed, could he replace Nash alongside Stepan and MZA? That's interesting to muse about. Some had maintained on here that Gorton's not done anything since the Z trade because of this and there's some logic to that for sure. If indeed the Rangers have a legitimate chance of signing Vesey then it certainly makes sense they wait until that's firmed up before moving someone like Nash. Like it or not, Nash will be missed and there needs to be a reasonable replacement for him. It's an alluring prospect IMO to envision Nash going to a team like the Preds for someone like Ryan Ellis (or the Ducks for one of their puck-moving d-men) because that sort of move will go a long way towards addressing the Rangers lack of an offensive d-man. It would be exciting for sure to see Vesey signed and Nash subsequently moved in a deal like that.

RF4L


Sat Aug 13 2016 11:12 am EST

That's mean the other top 6 line is Stepan - Nash - MZA. Obviously, there's potential there but 2 things: 1) I'm simply not sold on Stepan being a top center (I think he's a 2nd line center. Can Z with his American wingers, be a number one? I would guess that's what Gorton is hoping for, but that's asking a lot at this point in his young career. 2) How will Nash perform? He's become, I think, a bit of an engima, although he's probably going to have a bounce-back year (assuming he can stay healthy). 30+ goals is more than reasonable to project, which likely means he'd lead the club in that statistic. There's lots of sentiment on here about trading Nash and I get that, given his salary and track record, especially come PO time. But how do you replace 30+ goals (and you're top goal scorer) without feeling the pain? There are 2 wild cards here - Kevin Hayes and Buch. No one at this point really knows what we'll see with the latter - it's very tough to look at how a young player fares in the KHL and project what he'll do as a rookie in the NHL. It's quite possible he'll force his way into the top 6 but at who's expense? If Nash is traded before camp, there will be an opening in the top 6 (depending of course, what Nash fetches, which I assume wouldn't be another established top 6 winger). What would Buch - Stepan - MZA as a line look like? A HUGE bonus if that's how it plays out. With Hayes, as been discussed on here countless times, there's definitely the skillset but is there the mental fortitude that's needed to capitalize on that skillset? If Hayes does manage to put it all together IMO, he makes Stepan expendable. Fortunately, Gorton has until next July before Stepan's NMC kicks in so there's some time in that regard to see how this goes. IMO the top 6 is where Hayes belongs IF he proves worthy. Traditionally, the bottom 6 forwards are as defensively aware as much as they are offensively (if not moreso) and that certainly doesn't appear to be a Hayes strength. Bottom line for me is that I wouldn't be upset to see both Nash and Stepan moved, depending on what comes back and how their spots in the top 6 are replaced. Moving both frees up $15,000,000 in cap space (yes, I realize the assets they fetch will have some cap implications) - that's significant. If, for example, Hayes and Buch are able to replace them, what a drop in the cap hit and what a change in the dynamic of the top 6. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

RF4L


Sat Aug 13 2016 10:49 am EST

FWIW, I think this line has the makings of something dynamic: Chris Kreider-Mika Zibanejad–J.T. Miller. It really hinges on how effective Zibanejad is - if he takes the next step in his maturation as an NHLer, IMO that line could be one of the better ones in the league. I am assuming Miller's progress last year was not an aberration and he will be better this year. Kreider is Kreider and even if he produces as he's done to date in his career, he'll be a significant aspect of the line.

RF4L


Sat Aug 13 2016 8:25 am EST

E: I can but can AV? Probably not. Graves, unless he absolutely wows in camp, will be farmed out because he can be. And because AV is the coach.

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 10:06 pm EST

stevie: Nope. I'm looking at the realm of reality...

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 5:20 pm EST

rf4l are you looking into the black hole ?

stevielegs


Fri Aug 12 2016 4:54 pm EST

And while Mcilrath is a straight beast who can crack people Graves is a pretty good defenseman as well. Can we see a world where both are in the lineup? I don't know? Maybe...

E


Fri Aug 12 2016 3:48 pm EST

MCILRATH

hipcheck


Fri Aug 12 2016 2:50 pm EST

Las Vegas confirms three potential names, wants logo in place by pre-season ........... 1) The High Rollers 2) The Ill Reputes 3) The Harvey WallBangers! ..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/las-vegas-confirms-three-potential-names-wants-logo-in-place-by-pre-season/

mf


Fri Aug 12 2016 2:14 pm EST

E - I hear ya..but I'm with RF4L for reasons I explained about Girardi and lack of PMD as to why Mcilrath sits if the D stays as is....Not liking it either...But I have zero faith in AV..Of course, this is where Wildcard chimes in that I don't know what Av is thinking..And he's right, but I know what he did in the past regarding Mcilrath...Maybe Beuke can beat the shit out of him?

Hospo


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:58 pm EST

I'm looking into the universe and see McI in a pressbox...

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:56 pm EST

HOSPO: I cannot look further into the universe to know of course. I'm operating from the assumption that the lineup is as is right now. I sure as hell hope that help is coming because of all the reasons we have discussed.

E


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:20 pm EST

E/TDCHI - I'm not too sure you can pencil in Mcilrath as a top 6 this season....Not if no other moves are made..There are no goals and no PMD coming back with the loss of YANDLE and BOYLE...If a trade isn't made, one way to help out in that area is by playing Clenddening (ala Diaz) as the 6th D-man wit girardi as the 2nd RHS d-man...making Mcilrath an extra.....Or, as others said this morning....moving SKEJI over to the right and again making Mcilrath an extra...Personally, I think these are both wrong choices and a RHS PMD needs to be traded for, which, again, could make Mcilrath an extra after Girardi (not being traded)......or, they can just trade him...which I still think might happen

Hospo


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:17 pm EST

E: McI may have deserved to be sat a few games last year but so did everyone not named Kevin and Ryan. No one, however, received that punishment, save for, of course, McI. And I'd argue others, specifically Boyle and Girardi, were more deserving when you compare the struggles they had to McI's. AV's treatment of McI was overly harsh and has been from the outset. That McI accepts it without complaints is a tribute to his character and dedication. He deserves as much as anyone an extended look and to be able to play to his strengths, which I suspect is part of the problem with AV in the first place. AV does not like that style of play, which is utterly ridiculous but it is what it is. I just hope AV is gone from the organization long before McI is.

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:12 pm EST

Rhet: Are you privy to the contractual arrangements made between the Aves and Roy? I suspect you aren't and I suspect Roy got a financial handshake because, as I said earlier, I also think this decision didn't happen in isolation. It was a graceful way out for both Roy and Sakic - why Roy failed miserably the last 2 seasons after such a glorious start as an NHL head coach I cannot figure out, but failed miserably is precisely what occurred the last 2 years. There's no reason to believe things would right themselves this year and if so, it was only a matter of time before Sakic had no choice but to fire Roy (if only to perserve his own job). Roy and Sakic surely both recognized that and this is the result. JMWO of course.

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:06 pm EST

BTW, I concur there's a very good chance Girardi will play better this year but as some are saying, as a 3rd pairing d-man. TD brought up Rozey earlier - well Rozey is a 3rd pairing d-man and has won a couple of cups and he was pulling in around $2,000,000 in both years his name was etched on the cup, nearly 1/3 of what Girardi is slated to make for the next 4 seasons. More poor judgement by Sather...

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 1:02 pm EST

stevie: Oh yeah...Girardi's contract stinks. As I've said before a few times, what really bugs me about it is this was as predictable as the sun coming up - it wasn't a matter of if Girardi would break down and as a result that contract would become an albatross, it was a matter of when. It's happened very quickly, as often is the case with athletes who sacrifice their bodies as willing as he does. I don't blame him for it - of course you take the money when it's offered to you; this is wholly on Sather.

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 12:20 pm EST

RF: I think you can pencil McIlrath next season as in as a regular. It remains to be seen if he can stay in or how long a leash AV gives him. What gets lost sometimes with McIlrath in discussions about him was that right before he was shelved last season he was really playing like crap. Not arguing the reasons why but I didn't expect he was going to the shelf the rest of the way either. But he deserved a seat for a few games. This is definitely his season. He's either gonna be a full time defenseman or he is gonna be out of here. I don't imagine them keeping him on the bubble as a spare. AV could but I'd imagine they'd go a different way.

E


Fri Aug 12 2016 12:18 pm EST

TD: with the buyout of Tyutin, I believe CBJ has 4 RHS & 2 LHS D'men...... So if Torts is of the mindset of Lefties Left & Righties Right, "Hey Marc Staal, C'mon down and wave that NMC! You're gonna love Ohio.......

mf


Fri Aug 12 2016 11:56 am EST

re: SKJEI - my conventional wisdom tells me he'll start on the left...but it also tells me HOLDEN wasn't brought in to play seventh defender or in Hartford...And then the GRAVES factor...frankly, I thought he needed a little more time in the A before making the jump...but the organization is speaking like he may very well be in the mix for a spot this season...so count me as confused...I know this team hasn't regularly started a defenseman on the off-side in many moons...probably not since the 2005 lockout. Renney, Torts and now AV all seem to be ardent believers in keeping the righties right and the lefties on left...but something doesn't give with the D...seems to me someone on the left needs to go...and if it's to bring in a puck mover who is a righty...then someone on the right ALSO needs to go...Count me as one who doesn't think they'll jerk McILRATH around as much...think he's either in the lineup or on another team by game one.

tdchi


Fri Aug 12 2016 11:47 am EST

If ROY made more money ($5-6 Mil per), there's no way he would have "quit."

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 12 2016 11:35 am EST

Bob: It sure seems that the Aves are better off without him. I've no insider knowledge here but I suspect this was a mutual decision between Roy and Sakic and likely initiated by Roy. He surely recognized things weren't working out and if it continued, Sakic would have no choice but to fire him (or worse, Sakic's loyalty would result in both of them being fired by ownership. Roy is taking the graceful way out, in other words. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up - I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up managing a Quebec junior team again. Or does he have NHL GM aspirations perhaps?

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 11:32 am EST

rf4l ..." it's odorous"...it stinks ?

stevielegs


Fri Aug 12 2016 10:58 am EST

So I guess that Matt Duchene is off the trade block now that Roy bailed on the Avalanche. He left them in a tough spot quitting when he did, but that is not without precedence. Hopefully for Colorado fans they can find a coach that embraces puck possession and playing in the opponents zone. Pretty sure that Nash will not be going to Colorado now.

Bob


Fri Aug 12 2016 10:42 am EST

I know SKEJI played the RHS in the POs last year when the alternative was Mcilrath and he did OK....but unless he is just as good/comfortable on the RHS as his natural LHS, a rookie is not the player you have make the switch...You keep him on the top 6 on the LHS and figure out the RHS with what we have or, better yet, the trade for an offesniv PP RHS d-man...If Staal goes..Holden moves up..If not the 2nd/3rd pair RHS will have to be some combod of Girardi/Mcilrath and that schmoe Clendenning....Make no mistake, if healthy, GIRARDI is gonna get every chance to regain his former standing on the backline at the beginning of the seasonn

Hospo


Fri Aug 12 2016 8:02 am EST

TD: Oh I concur Girardi is tradeable IF the Rangers are prepared to offer up something else that's tantalizing, just as the Hawks did to rid themselves of Bickell's contract. I concur Girardi has more value than Bickell, but his contract is worse and he's older. And if your point about Rozey is to say that we shouldn't believe Girardi has nothing left, then I agree - it would be foolish to argue otherwise until we see him this fall. If he does rebound, then his trade value starts to return IMO. The bottom line here I think is his contract - it's odorous and another in a series of mistakes Sather made that Gorton now has to deal with.

RF4L


Fri Aug 12 2016 7:48 am EST

TD: Regarding SKJEI on the right side, I do think that is one of many possibilities. I think the coaching staff was impressed with the way SKJEI handled playing on the right side at the end of last year. But so much depends on the moves that are made between now and the end of camp, plus how the competition for spots works out. There are just too many unknowns right now.

Vic


Fri Aug 12 2016 5:37 am EST

http://pagesix.com/2016/08/11/watch-sean-avery-get-knocked-out/

stevielegs


Thu Aug 11 2016 11:56 pm EST

http://pagesix.com/2016/08/11/watch-sean-avery-get-knocked-out/?_ga=1.244915333.125552767.1470547908

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 10:45 pm EST

mf - the Devils have a few young blueliners they're going to audition for the sixth and seventh spot...Steve Santini is a righty and already played a game for them. Seth Helgeson is another, though a lefty...and this kid Josh Jacobs just signed too.

tdchi


Thu Aug 11 2016 10:32 pm EST

RF4L - Dunno, but I bet my bottom dollar there's a team out there. I know it's probably a bad example, but the Hawks got someone to take BICKELL'S contract, and that guy makes Girardi look like a spring chicken. Granted, they had to give up a lot to do it...but such is life...I never said getting rid of him would be easy...just not as hard as some may think...I also maintain that Girardi last season was very badly miscast...What he needed was third-line D minutes...what he got was first line D minutes. I bet Girardi on a young team with a decent defensive core would be just fine...funny...and this is a little bit of a non sequitur...but I was just reading how the Blackhawks are interested/going to bring back Michal ROZSIVAL...now I don't know how clear your memory was of his final days here, but the general consensus on the wall was that it was a toss up between what was more awful, his defense or his contract...I, among others, was singing the praises of Sather fro grabbing WOLSKI for him...most of us were saying STEAL!! Well, here we are almost seven years later...Wolski is three years removed from his last game in the NHL...Rozy, though, now has two cup rings and is going into his fifth season with the Hawks...sooooo....I guess I mention this more as an illustration than a comparison...this is the NHL. Anything can happen.

tdchi


Thu Aug 11 2016 10:30 pm EST

RF: Well, you don’t need to look to far as in right across the Hudson River to the west… NJ just traded Adam Larsson (RHS) and only have 5 Defensemen signed. Andy Greene 33 LHS, Ben Lovejoy 32 RHS, John Moore 25 LHS, Jon Merill 24 LHS, Damon Severson 22 RHS….. I doubt being 32 would scare off the Devils, and If Girardi would agree to waive his NMC & we can work out a trade, he would “not” need to uproot his family.

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:46 pm EST

E: OK, but he was clearly in over his head as an NHL coach. The man comes across as intelligent - to suggest that he didn't recognize the shortcomings here implies he's not bright. I 100% disagree.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:29 pm EST

I don't think Roy has felt over his head with anything in life. But he is unhinged and a little "off." Still cracks me up that time the New York Rangers were murdering him and he paddled down the puck and took off skating up ice with it. Tried doing a spin around someone then got into an argument because he skated over the redline. First time I've ever seen that penalty called. Pure classic Roy. That guy was entertaining.

E


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:25 pm EST

TD: Care to divulge who would trade for Girardi without the Rangers eating at least half his salary (for the next 4 years) and/or offering up a high draft pick (as they stupidly did in the Yandeway deal)?

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:21 pm EST

Rhet: Maybe. Or maybe he knew he is over his head and knew it was only a matter of time before his buddy (Sakic) was fired along with him so he did the right thing and exited stage left, but not after exploring options (probably along with Sakic) and landing on one. My guess is he'll be back in junior overseeing a team that includes being the coach and the GM.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:16 pm EST

mf: LOL...because I know! Just like I knew the Jets had zero interest in trading away the 2nd pick overall....

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 7:42 pm EST

I'm not saying the NYR are going to get Jimmy Vesey, but it's starting to feel a lot like the Kevin Hayes situation. You know, we had zero shot at getting him, then we were one of the top three favorites and then we sign him. Jimmy Vesey is starting to feel a lot like Kevin Hayes. No one thought the NYR had a shot, then he they were in the top three and then they signed him. Vesey can only sign for a max $925,000 base salary with roughly $3.5 million in max bonuses. Since the Rangers don’t have many players that qualify for bonuses, it’s likely that all of Vesey’s bonuses would hit the bonus cushion with no impact on next year’s cap.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 11 2016 6:35 pm EST

"How could ROY.... "really love working with Joe and say that they're "very close.” ...but also say "he didn’t believe he had enough input in player personnel decisions" ... If they're so close, why didn't they have a conversation about it? The whole thing is odd ...I bet he was offered another job. Montreal maybe?

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 11 2016 6:12 pm EST

The Hockey News ‏@TheHockeyNews ...... Vesey studying roster, city, coach and future contracts in making free agency decision http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/vesey-narrows-list-to-handful-of-teams-as-he-approaches-free-agency/ …

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 11 2016 4:43 pm EST

WTH is with this org? Girardi should have been benched for a bunch of games last to heel up. We discussed rotating the 4 RHS D'men to monitor their TOI and get McIlrath into the mix and they didn't listen.... Now we're supposed to trust AV? .... Je ne pense pas Froggy!

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 4:34 pm EST

RF: oy! and how might you know the market for Girardi? Didn't we recently see, read or hear of an article where one NHL player said that in his opinion Girardi is the most under appreciated or under acknowledged D'man in the league? It wasn't that long ago....

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 4:23 pm EST

Just a hunch, but I don't think the Rangers lifted a finger to try and move Girardi...I strongly suspect they're going to take AV's word on him playing most of the season injured and that he'll rebound this season...and if he doesn't? Buy out. I see some of the contracts that got moved...and some of the players that got dealt...and if the Rangers wanted to, they could have moved Girardi. And I suspect if they tried, he would have waived his NTC...And right now, on the right, it's him, Klein and McIlrath, with an off chance Clendening scores a spot --I don't think he will, but that's another story...the other confusing component of this all is what we have on the left, which is McD and Staal --neither of whom I believe will be going anywhere --and Skjei, who is all-but-assured a roster spot....and Holden, who wasn't acquired to sit on the bench...That makes me wonder if, as I believe maybe Vic suggested, Skjei moves to the right and someone over there...likely Klein or McIlrath...moves on. Just some thoughts to ponder...but my gut tells me that G stays a Ranger at least until the buyout window...maybe beyond.

tdchi


Thu Aug 11 2016 4:18 pm EST

Hospo: I agree Staal is a far more attractive commodity (compared to Girardi) but will he waive his NMC? Maybe, depending on the destination. I still believe he'd be a great fit on the Oil, probably sliding in beside Larsson on the top pairing. His veteran presence would be of great value to the Oilers.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 4:16 pm EST

mf: Girardi at $4,000,000 playing like he did last year is still a rip-off. More like the Rangers need to eat at least 1/2 of his hit. It's arguable that's acceptable if you compare the other option - buying him out. It seems logical to see how he starts the season before making any decision of that nature (and there may be no other choice because the market for him is so soft).

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 3:53 pm EST

RF4L - Agree that Girardi isn't likely going anywhere until he proves he can rebound from last year's nightmare..If healthy, I think he will.....Staal, OTOH, has been the same player for the last three years ..defeintely over priced but still a solid, if not that physical 2nd pair defesnive d-man...I can see him maybe going in a package.

Hospo


Thu Aug 11 2016 3:50 pm EST

MF - Of all people to be so dismissive of other's trade possibilities!

Hospo


Thu Aug 11 2016 3:24 pm EST

RF: more incentive to start moving Staal as well.... It's all moot if they decline to waive... May need to buy out Girardi after this season or coerce him to waive at the deadline... IMO, we eat enough salary, someone will agree to trade.. Girardi at $4mill per may be attractive...

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 2:46 pm EST

IMO, there's no market for Girardi, unless the Rangers are prepared to offer up an incentive for other teams to take him. Maybe part way thru the regular season IF he's over his struggles from last year. Why would any team give up something of value for an over 30 defenseman who was terrible last year, has played a lot of hard hockey in his career and has FOUR MORE YEARS on a deal that pays out $5,500,000 annually? Nope - Girardi will be in the Ranger camp next month...

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 2:40 pm EST

mf: Maybe a 2nd rounder along with Ellis. Nash isn't exactly in top demand, given his salary, his off-season and penchant for coming up short in the POs. Ryan Ellis would help address the lack of a puck-moving defenseman the Rangers currently suffer from. He's also young and has a cap friendly contract.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 2:20 pm EST

Fowler: another LHS d'man..... Has Staal agreed to waive? Until he does, no need in targeting Fowler... Next!

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:37 pm EST

E - DUCHENSE is probably pretty happy about that!

Hospo


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:36 pm EST

MF - FOWLER and Theodore have been mentioned as Ducks possible being traded to bring in another forward....Supposedley, Detroit was also interested in them

Hospo


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:33 pm EST

E: thanks for the heads up... The Colorado Avalanche find themselves in need of a coach, as Patrick Roy has announced that he is stepping down as coach and vice president of hockey operations for the organization......... Hey Colorado, ALAIN VIGNEAULT is available says me! ..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/patrick-roy-announces-resignation-as-coach-of-the-colorado-avalanche/

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:25 pm EST

Roy out in Colorado. Little surprised that it happened now. I thought it would've been done already or they were going make the decision to stick with him.

E


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:24 pm EST

RF: what do the Ducks have in return? "Nash to Nashville" may sell plenty of jerseys.... What are we getting back in addition to your targeted RYAN ELLIS? BTW, both those teams have the cap space....

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:06 pm EST

mf: It wasn't crosschecks - it was blatant gloved punches to the head that Nash endured. Too bad McI wasn't on the team back then - Bogosian would have paid the price for that crap.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:04 pm EST

The Aves need defense - IMO, Nash going there makes no sense. I think a more realistic destination is St Louis or SJ or Anaheim or Nashville.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 1:00 pm EST

Also, moving Girardi & or Staal prior to the beginning of the season removes much of the drama & emotion of having one or both moved during the season..

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 12:58 pm EST

TD: I think the the NYR have all the motivation they need in moving NASH.... He has decent trade value now, not as high as the end of the season before last, but good value... He has 2 years remaining on his contract, and has not sustained a head injury since Bogosian (or whatever his name is) gave him a couple too many crosschecks to the back of the neck area after the whistle............... Where does Nash get moved???? Well let’s look at STL: "IF" Girardi agrees to waive his NMC, Gorton could look at the Nash to STL for Shattenkirk and look to move Girardi afterward (Detroit? Denver?) or go with Shatty / Klein / Girardi / McIlrath down the RHSide........ I prefer they look to move Girardi prior to the season and keep the youth movement intact. With the expansion draft looming it makes more sense to move G over McIlrath and thank god for the expansion draft because it can protect us fans from watching the NYR trade McIlrath...... Girardi could fetch a nice return in the form of “Tatar or Nyqvist” prospects or picks……. Naturally M.Staal comes to mind through all this…. “IF” he agrees to waive his NMC too, there could be a nice return sitting there too…….. Moving those two “MAY” enable to restock the continued youth movement, gain picks & or prospects…… Just a reminder: Girardi: 4yrs remaining $5.5mill per… Staal: 5 yrs remaining $5.7mill per… Nash 2yrs remaining $7.8mill per….. We can be “UN-cap-strapped” & restocked decently with a little luck and a few wise moves…………..

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 12:57 pm EST

Hospo: of all the trade chatter mentioned here & elsewhere the only team who might return us a top 3 in trade for Nash seems to be Colorado..... So, odds are we are not getting a top 3 player back for Nash... Thats the reason I have posted that we should consider looking to construct three very capable 2nd lines and see how well A-Vishyssoise can line up against the competition.....

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 12:42 pm EST

At the least, the Rangers must think they are still in the running for VESEY, if not the favorite...Makes sense to wait till after his signing to make a deal...It would be great to have another forward like him on the team becasue of we don't,, to get that D-man the Rangers DESPERATELY need it will have to be a case of robbing Peter (offense) to pay Paul by trading Nash or MZA or ??? In that case, so much will depend on BUCH being physically and mentally ready (I'm doubtful, of course), and Hayes comes to camp with his giant head removed from his ass...

Hospo


Thu Aug 11 2016 12:25 pm EST

Bob - I think you're on the money there. NASH seems to have more lives than the luckiest of cats...the hammer has to drop on him at some point...Vesey would give them a very legitimate excuse to move Nash...and it would make Gorton's proclamation --that this team will be different --some very valid legs. Trading Brass and to a degree, Yandle, are moves he can kind of point at....kind of...But trading Nash would make him a man of his word...

tdchi


Thu Aug 11 2016 11:49 am EST

RF4L - Then again, I think I was on record saying hey'd make a big move going into camp last year....and they did. They signed Jarret Stoll ;)

tdchi


Thu Aug 11 2016 11:46 am EST

Sorry about the hat Bob, I'm typing from the subway.....

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 11:44 am EST

RF they traded Brassard doubt very much Stepan is going anywhere for several years.... Now on this Vesey topic, his family is embedded with Toronto, got to think they're the frontrunner... If the Rangers can sign this kid my thoughts are they will look to move Nash.

mf


Thu Aug 11 2016 11:36 am EST

Seems to me that the Rangers think they have a shot at Vesey. Once Vesey decides where he is going I would bet the next move happens, and I bet it involves Nash and an upgrade of the defense. If Vesey goes elsewhere, Nash could be staying in NY.

Bob


Thu Aug 11 2016 10:57 am EST

TD: I sure hope you're right about another pending move. I really don't like the way the team is constructed currently. A non-PO finish? Probably not. A PO dogfight all season long and a subsequent quick PO exit? Probably yes. The leadership core is intact - if that's to be cut, who goes among Girardi, Staal, McD, Stepan and Nash (because that's what I believe the core to be).

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 10:29 am EST

RDW - That's why I don't think he'll land here... You're also forgetting Buchnevich and Hayes in that mix...and unless Buch comes into camp looking like he's been training with Brendl, I fully expect he'll be in the top nine, if not the top six...Which...suggests a couple things to me...1. The media is blowing the whole Vesey-to-the-Rangers thing out of proportion. And what started as speculation among them('I bet the youth-strapped Rangers are going to want Vesey)turned into rumor('the Rangers are gunning for Vesey') which has now turned into what is being billed as fact....or 2. That the Rangers really ARE among his top choices and are in serious enough of a spot to get him that they're waiting to make their next move based in part on his choice. Vesey comes here and they're dealing someone from their top nine, I could almost guarantee. The guy isn't going to Hartford and he's not playing fourth line unless he plays his way there...if he does sign, he'll be given the same chance Hayes was given...and that means you have Miller-Z-Kreider, Zucc-Step-Nash, Buch-Hayes-Vesey and then some mix of Fast, Jensen, Jooris, Gerbe, Grabner, and Glass to start, and the Lindberg added in a month into the season. That's a lot of names for the bottom line...And does anyone truly believe Fast and Lindberg will be used as fourth liners? There's another shoe that hasn't dropped. Zibanajed was the first. There's another up there somewhere. Watch out after Aug. 15.

tdchi


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:46 am EST

stevie: In other words, nothing changes offensively (save for Nash having a bounce back year)...

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:32 am EST

If we do land Vesey where does he fit in? Certainly not in the top six. Just for shits and giggles, it looks like the top two lines would be Zucc-Z-Nash, Kreider-Stepan-Miller. The leaves Fast, Lindy(when he returns), Gerbe, Grabner, Jensen, Glass(if he's even considered an option at the point), Jooris and Hrivik

RDW


Thu Aug 11 2016 9:21 am EST

SNY had the following scoring predictions from “The Hockey News” Pool Guide: . Pavel Buchnevich: 15 goals, 25 assists Kevin Hayes: 15 goals, 25 assists Chris Kreider: 23 goals, 24 assists Ryan McDonagh: 7 goals, 25 assists JT Miller: 20 goals, 23 assists Rick Nash: 35 goals, 25 assists Derek Stepan: 17 goals, 35 assists Mika Zibanejad: 20 goals, 30 assists (Projected to be part of Ottawa) Mats Zuccarello: 23 goals, 35 assists They had Derick Brassard leading the Rangers with 22 goals and 39 assists. -

stevielegs


Thu Aug 11 2016 8:28 am EST

York your point about Yandleway with McI is a good one. That pairing was solid and it sure looked like the veteran had taken the rookie under his wing. IMO, that was the best hockey Yandle played as a Ranger. Why the idiotic coach did his best to ensure that pairing wasn't seen too often is totally beyond me, although it's simply more evidence IMO in the argument that for whatever reason AV is not particularly fond of McI. The light is showing at the end of the tunnel however for McI - if AV uses him this season like he has to date, McI will be an UFA next summer and it's a certainty IMO that more than 1 team will come a-calling. His patience and dedication are admirable.

RF4L


Thu Aug 11 2016 7:21 am EST

"The Blackhawks have made a big push for the 6-foot-2, 215-pounder in recent weeks, with both GM Stan Bowman and head coach Joel Quenneville traveling to Foxboro to watch the youngster play in the Summer Pro League at the Foxboro Sports Center. It would appear playing with Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane while immediately competing for a Stanley Cup are the big selling points. The Rangers have a couple of local guys on their roster — Chris Kreider and Kevin Hayes — whom Vesey is familiar with, and there’s a good working relationship between Vesey’s agents and Rangers GM Jeff Gorton. Similarly, the Vesey family has strong ties with Devils assistant GM Tom Fitzgerald, going back to their Charlestown days, and New Jersey is looked at as a team on the rise in the Eastern Conference with Cory Schneider and Taylor Hall. "

stevielegs


Thu Aug 11 2016 7:10 am EST

Yandle was a disaster on D? Explain his work with wrath where they were actually a very solid combo? Where was wrath left alone and hung to dry or on the ice for a Ron of gas? I think yandles bad points came paired with Boyle which no one played well with him or girardi last year. Yandle was hardly a disaster and mentored and brought wrath along. Was he leetch? No but he wasn't Boyle either like some are painting him out to be.

York18


Thu Aug 11 2016 7:06 am EST

Vessey may come here because of Hayes. Hayes is his buddy and can show that he signed and was given a spot on the team which is important to this kid. If it's between the hawks and rangers it's tough not sure how NJ fits into this

York18


Thu Aug 11 2016 5:54 am EST

Haha, some summer action on the wall! Love you all! ;) Tdchi- On "truth is, Yandle was a disaster on D", like I can only say no he wasn't. I think it is a ridiculous claim. The info you guys bring up are ridiculously one-sided, you must acknowledge that yourself. There is no disputing that Yandle was at the top of the league in PPPs/60, 1st assists/60, fewest goals against/60 and what not. All this while playing most with Dan Boyle next to him and Kevin Hayes at center. Nobody is saying that Yandle is great defensively, nobody is saying that he is comparable to top guys like Doughty or Karlsson or Subban and the likes. Ryan McDonagh is definitely -- at least IMHO -- a better D than Yandle. With that said, my opinion at least is just that it is ridiculous to claim that Yandle was a disaster at D and that he did nothing for us. The guy was a freak when McDonagh was hurt for example and alone carried this team more or less during that stretch logging 25-27 minutes a night.

Ola


Thu Aug 11 2016 5:35 am EST

HOSPO: LOL. Yep, those are the dorks. Well said though. We are all human and are all subject to getting fat heads and over-inflated egos. Even the dorks. :-)..........TD: The Rangers D and transition game were better before he came to the team. It wouldn't surprise me if they were better this year now that he is gone. Only time will tell. MF: On STRALMAN and BOYLE, yep. It was weird. They didn't believe in STRALMAN after he had been so good for them yet they believed in the decrepit BOYLE after the SHARKS basically said to him "please leave, you have nothing left to offer".

Vic


Wed Aug 10 2016 11:52 pm EST

As for this continued talk on Yandle...giant super-sized 'MEH'....fact that we can all agree on is that the guy is gone and will never skate in a blueshirt again, unless it's an oldtimers game...and I think we also are in consensus on the trade absolutely sucking. Everything else? Academic. Better convo on a slow summer day is whether the Rangers are going to miss the schmuck and if so, how badly? I don't think they'll skip a beat. Might not be better, but I don't see them any worse for the wear.

tdchi


Wed Aug 10 2016 11:49 pm EST

Count me as not surprised VESEY is ruling out the Sabres...Still think he would have signed by now if he wanted anything to do with that team...and quite frankly, I don't think he could crack their top six unless the team somehow inexplicably moves Kane...Also wouldn't be too surprised about him spurning the Bruins...I mean, do you want to be that Boston kid who comes in with such high expectations to a team that is basically set up to fail? Also, the word is they're going to have Backes on the wing, so that means one less top six spot for the kid...And the Hawks? Zero surprise there. Team that's one more cups than any other in the NHL over the past decade...that also has a spot on the left of the kid...I'd say if he's thinking Chicago, they are, in deed, the front runners...but count me as VERY surprised Toronto isn't being mentioned...and equally surprised the Devils keep getting brought up....the Rangers? Well, it's a no brainer from Gorton's standpoint, to sign the kid....anyone who scouts are saying is a sure-fire NHLer...possible a star? Yeah..no brainer...But what would interest him about NY...that's where I start to wonder. He'd have a real tough time cracking the top six...maybe even the top nine. Meh...we shall see in four days. I still think he lands in Toronto...if not there, Chi-town.

tdchi


Wed Aug 10 2016 10:15 pm EST

VIC - Agree about respecting everybody's opinions on here....As for baseball, you mean all those condescending know-it-all douche bag sabremetric stat head dorks that always said the Giants sucked , should never trade thier young players, how the Giants were fools for focusing on old school scouting, chemistry and developing gutsy baseball players rather than sabremetric statistical OBP darlings (Oakland A's and moneyball ahem won nothing), and how Brian Sabean ( a SCOUT if there ever was one) was clueless as a GM...and, wait a minute, somehow won three Word Series in five years??...:).In all seriousness, those dorks have indeed help evolve player evaluation in baseball but like in other sports and discussions, there's still room for input from both sides of the coin.....

Hospo


Wed Aug 10 2016 9:41 pm EST

Russell is a pint sized Girardi with much better wheels. Tenacious hockey player. I cannot believe he didn't find a home right away.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 8:23 pm EST

And one more thing. I wanted to stress again that it is important to respect everyone's opinion. Look no further then Major League Baseball as the shining example of what happens when you think you know something better then anyone else. You end up not being able to see the forest for the trees. MLB managers, coaches and players thought they knew their game better then anyone. With 100 years of experience they knew baseball better then any outsider. Certainly better then a collection of dorks who barely played little league. They refused to listen to anything those dorks were telling them for 20 years. In the end those dorks knew more about evaluating players and their performances then anyone in baseball.

Vic


Wed Aug 10 2016 8:19 pm EST

Uncle E, Uncle E, tell us more please.... ;-) OAN I read that Russel was holding out and not going to sign on the cheap as did Sam GAGNER or Matt Carle. Carle however was bought out so the steep discount did not affect his take home much if any year to year.......

mf


Wed Aug 10 2016 8:11 pm EST

_ARC: I am well aware of OLA's history as a player at a high level. That said, I really don't care. I respect the opinions of everyone here whether they were big time players or not. I don't recall ever having a significant disagreement with OLA on anything before. He believes that YANDLE is a better player then I, many others here, in the NHL and in the US National Program do. So be it. He is entitled to his opinion just as we are entitled to ours. And I'm not the one who was taking pot shots at him over this. He has on multiple occasions taken shots at me out of the blue by claiming I don't like PMD because I don't like YANDLE. When in truth said the opposite many times. I also said that I don't dislike YANDLE. I absolutely hated the trade when it was made. Not because I dislike YANDLE. I hated the trade for about 20 reasons that I posted here repeatedly.including what they gave away and the fact that the Rangers were going to shortly be in a position to have to move YANDLE or risk losing him for nothing. YANDLE is a good player but he is a one dimensional player. He isn't a great offensive defenseman even though his passing ability is top notch. If the Rangers had acquired him by signing him to a contract at a reasonable number I would have been happy to have him. But they didn't. They gave away a huge haul to get him and he was never the player they had hoped he would be.

Vic


Wed Aug 10 2016 7:38 pm EST

Kris Russel is still out there and could be had for cheap. Talk amongst yourselves.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 7:36 pm EST

There is so much more I know about the game but I didn't want to 12-up on you guys. But I've also never played so in reality I'm just full of it. I just live in my parents basement being delusional.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 6:19 pm EST

theScore NHL ‏@theScoreNHL ...... Report: James Wisniewski signs tryout contract with Lightning http://thesco.re/2b95o2K

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 10 2016 5:56 pm EST

When I say gotten them, I mean that they've had them included in their contracts. Not that they won those trophies.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 10 2016 5:53 pm EST

MF.... Contract-wise it's a level playing field. Expect the same exact deal that Hayes got, which was the max except for bonuses for winning the Norris or Vezina trophies(it sound silly but forwards have gotten those in the past).

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 10 2016 5:44 pm EST

VIC: just to add on the Stralman topic, I remember thinking and not wanting to shell out big bucks on the guy, but then the Rangers go ahead and shell out the same money for Grandpa Boyle. Absurd.......... Next: SKJEI: many of us here have posted as he's a lock for a full season, let's not get too comfortable, this is Ranger Country, and Murphy has life long seats...... I could see needing McDonagh / Staal / Holden down the left side if the SKJEI hits the skids....... Regarding the Right Side of the Defense: do we have a 1st pair D'man or two 2nd pair defensemen in Girardi & Klein? Would SHATTENKIRK fill the 1st line RHS Dman criteria? ......

mf


Wed Aug 10 2016 5:32 pm EST

Rhet: Can the teams in the Vesey sweepstakes only offer a set amount like an entry level deal of $950K? If yes, some remaining factors of where he signs are, is the team on an uptrend or a competitor? How much ice time will he receive? Be that as it may, Buffalo is in an uptrend, they have built a deep young squad, and they can offer him top 9 minutes to start..... As of now I have to think he's not signing with Buffalo.. Maybe Evander grabbed his hair in a bar!

mf


Wed Aug 10 2016 5:10 pm EST

York don't forget he was doing brain surgery and I guess teaching kinesiology. E is a real Renaissance man lol

KIS


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:56 pm EST

I didn't see them not ready to play. On most nights they came out and played. They'd get beat because their defense wasn't very skilled and their PK was putrid. I can get all over AV for certain things. His blindness in trying to endlessly trying to kickstart Hayes. His steadfast loyalty to Boyle. The Glass thing I'll never pretend to understand. Against. I can nuance. The benefit of tearing him an asshole and calling him an abject failure I don't get. But that's just me. I think I have a solid record of willing to back down when I'm wrong.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:50 pm EST

Stevie.... I'll raise you one.... Allegedly, the NYR are among his top 3 choices...... According to ABC 7 Buffalo, a source says that the Buffalo Sabres are not likely to sign forward Jimmy Vesey.... That same source said that it wouldn't be surprising if Vesey lands with either Chicago or with the Rangers. (WKBW).... According to CSNNE, two different sources say that the Bruins are not one of Vesey's top three choices. Those sources say though that Vesey's top three reported choices are Chicago, the Devils and the Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:34 pm EST

"Fact: Of all skaters on this team, nobody logged more minutes for this team than Yandle last season. In even strength time per game, he was not 5 or 6, he was 4th." Fact: Yandle was the only Ranger defenseman to play all 82 games. Here's another fact: Yandle was on the ice for more goals against(4) than he was for goals scored. He was one of only seven Rangers who laced up last season to land that distinction. His company? Etem(tied), Glass, Paille, Moore, Summers, and Megna...Look, Ola, you can slice it any way you want...and with your stats, you're slicing it every way but sideways...truth is, Yandle was a disaster on D. What he brought to offense didn't compensate for it. Never once said he WAS Del Zotto or not as good...maybe that's getting lost in translation...what I said was his defense made Del Zotto look like a Norris winner...Yeah, there's no argument Yandle brings offense. But this notion that he's some elite PMD is just hogwash. He's a good offensive defensman that put up apples like an orchard but couldn't earn a $6.5 million contract here because the Rangers didn't see he was worth it....and I agree 110 percent...I never hated on Yandle, but always thought the guy was(is) WAAAAY overrated for the simple fact that he's a one-dimensional guy(see: LeoS post) who can't play a lick of defense. And you still haven't explained away that part of his game.

tdchi


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:26 pm EST

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/sources-boston-bruins-not-a-favorite-to-sign-jimmy-vesey

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:18 pm EST

or fora yuuu

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:14 pm EST

you mean 4 u?

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:06 pm EST

Its'a Wendes-day, wat's a matter for you?

mf


Wed Aug 10 2016 4:01 pm EST

Moof you're a Italianist

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:58 pm EST

Final line ... What makes a balloon go up? Hot air... What's holding this wall down ?

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:54 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlNAYCcxgUw

mf


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:52 pm EST

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TGQ7rGL-Q

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:50 pm EST

E this team loafed ( see Abbott and Costello skit ) last season and he allowed it, while he basically did the same . They were resting on their laurels , without hardy . He's too hands off .

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:43 pm EST

E stands for ego ? ... I knew you would remember. ... But think he's been out coached in the playoffs . The other coaches adjust and play mind games and he pays them no mind . I think he shits the bed in the playoffs. ...

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:30 pm EST

E did you do all that in the span of one game or an entire season? If in one game then you sir are a god amgonst men. I am worried about missing game time to just get a beer. Your mopping floors scouting trading players and more

York18


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:27 pm EST

I have to agree with OLA another thing that was over looked was yandle helping wrath adjust and settle in they were a damn good pair and at one point this teams most consistent. Yandle looked more happy for wraths first goal that. Wrath himself he was a great mentor for both skjei and wrath. He was the least of this teams problems this year. He was this teams most consistent and best dman. I wish he had stayed and if skeij can't step up this team will ha E a tough time transitioning and on the pp. It's no coincidence the PP got better when his time increased on it. I may mess with OLA but he knows his shit and calling him a fan boy is a joke at best he knows systems breakouts etc better than 95% of the people posting

York18


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:22 pm EST

Ola is an idiot. Just kidding. No he's a good guy. BUT no offense to all but your resumes all are insignificant compared to mine. I have worked in all areas of hockey. management, coaching, scouting, agents offices, contracts, strategies, fitness, kinesiology, knee surgeries, brain surgeries, pouring beers between periods, mopping the bathrooms after games, Zamboni driving, blimp flying, scoreboard graphic artist, and team psychiatrist. you are all a bunch of clown shoe wearing baboons. And that's what I think of all of you everyday. Its amazing that I even bring myself down to your levels. It's just I bite my tongue. If you REALLY knew what I thought... It's like teaching algebra to kindergarteners.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 3:12 pm EST

Oh I WILL NOT run away from my assertion about AVs hockey IQ is very high. I have rarely seen him out coached on the ice. I've also very rarely seen his team loafing around going thru the motions. The guy can flat out coach. Admittedly I had expected him to pursue a more irritating team like he had in Vancouver with a lot of guys who just got under your skin. That hasn't happened in NY. Don't know why. He seemed pretty committed that way when he was there. It seems as if he rewrote his playbook and decided that playing like Detroit is a far better template. And that's fine. I don't agree with him but I can't fault him for using that plan. After all, we now have seen an undersized speed team like PIT and a CHI team that's racking cups doing things the same way. And while we are at it. That style of play brought the New York Rangers to an ECF and a SCF. And TB is using a very similar system. In fact, SJ retooled on the fly to get faster down the lineup. So, while I philosophically believe in a heavy and grinding team that uses speed to take the puck hard to the net and punish behind it similar to an LA or Anaheim team my reality is that AV's game plan is most likely to succeed if he has the horses to do it. Where I will fault AV is his reluctance to play things closer to the chest when his lineup is banged up. That whole safe is death approach gets on my nerves. If you cannot play a certain way then adjust. I have seen AV being stubborn sometimes. But in terms of behind the bench? He is good at getting his match ups, will keep lines together as long as possible (something I believe in) and virtually never has missed anything from illegal line changes, to clock adjustments. Some of that is his A's but he is the boss and he clearly has his shit together. But he did not deliver the type of game I was hoping he'd bring. And maybe for good reason but I still want to be entertained. Call me selfish.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 1:58 pm EST

Vic- of all the people on the wall, to my knowledge Ola probably has the most significant hockey related credentials of us all. Most of us here have played or have been involved in hockey in some way shape or form but not sure anyone has his credentials. So it's a little disingenuous to call him a 'fanboy' of Y. I'm a bit more ambivalent about him since I expected more from him offensively but he did spend a big chunk of his time here being grossly misused. He did get better with more responsibility and his stats last year are pretty solid so I wouldn't dismiss his utility to this team so flippantly. I think we're going to miss him.

_Arc


Wed Aug 10 2016 1:43 pm EST

E nuance away but i remember you saying he was a smart coach before or after they hired him. ...no big deal if you forgot that. ....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 10 2016 1:37 pm EST

OLA: Nice Job of trying to use the minutes played stat to cut out anyone who was injured for a significant amount of time. I go the other way. I would use 750 minutes and up so that we can take into account more players. And that puts him in a glut of guys tied for the 19th through 25th slot. And last year was one of his best years with respect to that stat (if not his best). You have a love affair with YANDLE. There is no other way to explain your near religious defense of all things YANDLE. We all have our favorites. We all have guys we like or want to see succeed. I'd like to see HAYES succeed and I've defended him here when I thought the criticism went over the top. But I'm also the first to point out all of his legitimate warts. We all watched YANDLE play. You can say whaterver you want about the guy if it makes you happy. But at the end of the day the guy isn't a difference maker. He was mostly a net negative as a player for this team. Sure, he did do some positive things as well. But the more this team played to his strengths the worse the results were for the team overall. The more they looked to get up the ice faster with that first long pass the more disjointed they played. They stopped attacking as a unit. They stopped forechecking. Instead they started playing more homerun hockey. They may have scored goals that way but they surrendered the possession game by doing it. And that hurt them in their own end.

Vic


Wed Aug 10 2016 12:39 pm EST

Vic- Lol what did you look at, penalty killing time per game? Haha, by all accounts Yandle had a MONSTER performance stat wise last season. He is singled out by stats analysts at blogs as one of the best performers in the league etc. But sure, whatever...

Ola


Wed Aug 10 2016 12:36 pm EST

Vic- GIVE IT UP, please lol. You talk about Yandle being like on par with Fast in primary assist. You say this ------- "The sort there is on Primary Assists per 60 minutes. Note, that YANDLE is mediocre at best. He is right up there with McDONAGH and FAST. STALBERG was just a little under him. That is how creative YANDLE was.". ----------------Its just BS LOL. Yandle was ELEVENTH OVERALL IN THE LEAGUE among Ds in primary assists. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201516&sit=5v5&pos=defense&minutes=1250&teamid=0&type=individual&sort=ifassists60&sortdir=DESC

Ola


Wed Aug 10 2016 12:30 pm EST

E- I agree for sure, the hatred for Yandle from day 1 was just BS in my opinion. He was supposed to be bad defensively. Fact: He was the player on our team that was on for the least amount of goals against. He was supposed to help our Power Play, "but he didn't". Fact: He was 3rd overall in Power Play Pts/minute of PP time played... "If he was so good, why was he only our 6th D?" Fact: Of all skaters on this team, nobody logged more minutes for this team than Yandle last season. In even strength time per game, he was not 5 or 6, he was 4th. And the difference in ES/G between Yandle and McDonagh is 29 seconds per game. In offensive zone starts, he was No 1 by a large margin. LARGE margin. He lead this team in PP icetime/game. He was OBVIOUSLY our No 1 PMD last season in usage. But some people who compare him to Michael Del Zotto just don't understand what a PMD does in the game today.

Ola


Wed Aug 10 2016 9:53 am EST

Stevie: to be clear. AV is not my coach. I was very vocal about not wanting to hire him. But on the other hand the options beyond him were not that great at the time either. But I also believe in continuity and just because I don't like a coach I can nuance what he does well and what he has not. I try to nuance everything.

E


Wed Aug 10 2016 8:08 am EST

rf4l what the nyr need is leadership and accountability, starting with the coach and the captain, and then the players .

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 9:57 pm EST

I think the Rangers need a cause and effect line...cause havoc and effect the score! Or something like that....

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 9:55 pm EST

LeoS: LOLOLOL....

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 7:33 pm EST

Yandle had his one signature move - fake a slapper and then pass down low. I'll miss that. That never gets old. Or predictable.

LeoS


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:33 pm EST

TD: Sorry, I forgot you name in that reply but the cause and effect line of transactions was for you too.

Vic


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:32 pm EST

OLA: Yep, I was. Clearly you don't have a good memory. E: STRALMAN played on the PP for the Rangers and was the Rangers best possession D. GORTHER didn't want to sign him long term for significant money because he valued GIRARDI and STAAL more. But STRALMAN's departure left them with a hole to fill. That is why BOYLE was signed. And when BOYLE was clearly not the answer on the PP the Rangers made the deal to get YANDLE. This was a clear line of cause and effect. On YANDLE, he was billed as a star. He was acquired with a package fitting a star. And he wanted star money. GORTHER, like many here, fell in love with the offensive numbers. But his offensive numbers are mostly HOLLOW. Here is how he stacked up 5 on 5 (http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201516&sit=5v5&pos=skaters&minutes=500&teamid=20&type=individual&sort=ifassists60&sortdir=DESC). The sort there is on Primary Assists per 60 minutes. Note, that YANDLE is mediocre at best. He is right up there with McDONAGH and FAST. STALBERG was just a little under him. That is how creative YANDLE was. This guy is so ridiculously overrated. The only thing he does well is that first pass. That pass from his own end up ice.

Vic


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:24 pm EST

TD: Well yeah...they could also deal the King. Just like moving McD (to afford Yandle's sallary) that's a non-started. I knew along with many others the day he was acquired he was not going to be here to start the 16/17 season. It was an asinine deal thru and thru.

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 5:41 pm EST

RF - just like anyone, they could have kept him had they wanted him. Easy solution? Deal McD. Clearly and thankully they didn't see that as a good option...

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 5:35 pm EST

And in retrospect while I maintain the deal was a mistake, the MSL acquisition was superior to the Yandle acquisition. Idiotic Gorther...

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 5:33 pm EST

I cannot be bothered but what was the Rangers record with Yandle vs without? He came late last year and the Rangers didn't go as far as they did the previous season and got bounced by Tampa with 2 games where they scored zero goals.Last year they did reasonably well offensively but were horrid in their own end. Is this all on Yandle? Of course not. But IMO he certainly isn't worth the money FLA gave him regardless of what offensive d-men generally get paid. All that said, the worse aspect by a country mile here of the Yandle as a Ranger tenure was the stupidity in acquiring him in the first place because 1) it cost them Duclair and then a first because their cap was a mess and 2) everyone and his gramma knew WHEN THE DEAL WAS ANNOUNCED that this summer he'd flee because he wanted to be overpaid and the Rangers don't have the cap space to grant that wish. An unmitigated disaster AFAIC.

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:56 pm EST

Vic - Agree on many points, but I think you're a little off in making the Stralman-to-Boyle-to-Yandle leap...I think they would have ended up with Yandle even if they resigned Stralman. Strals was an interesting case because he was/is a puck mover, but wasn't really used that way by the Rangers...Agree 100 percent though that they should have resigned him instead of Boyle. I just don't think doing as such would have stopped them from dealing for Yandle. He was another guy who was sort of plodding in and out of the rumor mill for the Rangers. Just like Shattenkirk today...which scares me.

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:55 pm EST

E too bad your man weeknow didn't take the job there, the Lindy would have probably been hired here.

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:51 pm EST

Boomer and Hahn are musing about overcoming weaknesses. They were discussing how Dallas offsets a relatively average defense. The formula is simple. They simply own the puck. Their ability to roll four lines each of which are so damn quick that even when they aren't scoring the game is played in the offensive zone. You cannot get the puck on your stick with them. Klingberg is a decent two way defenseman but not by any stretch an elite guy back there. And so this is who the New York Rangers are gonna have to be. Something that they were erratic about all season.

E


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:50 pm EST

E - C'mon...Doughty and Yandle?!? Same sentence? They don't even belong in the same book, much less the same sentence. Doughty is five times the defenseman. He plays defense! Yes, Yandle has some special qualities about him...Moves the puck well, yes...you know what? He also has rocks for brains. The guy refused to shoot the puck. He also went for the million dollar pass instead of the $15 dump. He overcomplicated plays routinely...and that lead to turnovers...what was his wall name? Yandleway? Again, I don't mean to be piling up on the guy but I'm failing to see how he's this big loss for the Rangers. Sure, we'll miss him on the PP. But if he was worth what the Kittens gave him...which is flat-out ridiculous and will be their Wade Redden contract in a few years...he'd still be a Ranger.

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:33 pm EST

Ola -I don't remember anyone here being thrilled at losing Stralman. But you're WAAAAAAY off on Yandle and Boyle for that matter. Yeah, I get the game of hockey alright....and my hockey sense tells me that duo was an absolute disaster. And you seem to forget that if your pairing gives up three goals, it doesn't make a difference if you helped set up two others. Yandle certainly had his moments and I don't disagree with the fact that the guy created offense. But he couldn't hack it as the team's number two defenseman and despite his offensive acumen, couldn't elevate the team's PP numbers to where they needed to be...he chase a decent(and I stress DECENT) playoff run with a lackluster one this year...and while he wasn't alone in that boat, he certainly didn't do SQUAT to help the team out of the hole they dug with Pittsburgh(one goal, zero helpers and -4). That's not a good line for a guy brought in to lead the rush. It wasn't like he was a cap casualty. They could have kept him no problem. Would have meant dealing McDonagh...and I would venture to guess that was tossed out there as an idea...but truth is, Yandle was brought in here to do something specific and not only did he not really do it, he was a defensive liability. So long. And I can tell you this: There might be someone here who will pine for Yandle next season or the season after. It WON'T be me. Not a chance. Good riddance. I only wish we could have gotten our first rounder back for that hack.

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:21 pm EST

Vic: sorry on Yandle I'm gonna part company. The guy had the puck on his stick all the time. And the possession stats support it. So again it's this eye test vs. numbers crunched. I see it both ways. Yandle was bizarrely maligned in NY for what reason I don't know. He wasn't a superstar, he never claimed to be, and anyone who thought he'd be didn't do their homework. But he's the rarest of qualities by virtue of skillset in the game today. You may think he couldn't carry the puck but the evidence speaks a different story.

E


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:15 pm EST

And Stralman and Yandle aren't the same kind of player so I don't know why one was a replacement for another. I was mad at parting ways with Stralman because the guy is in my opinion perhaps the most understated defenseman in the league. It was the fact that Sather misread severely what Stralman was. And I know his old school persona never took into account what this guy was doing on the ice statistically. And he was an absolute bargain. Sather treated his game as just average and thought he wasn't worth a measly what? 4 million? TB dancing in the office when Callahan brought him in and he signed for that number. There was probably a good 29-teams that would want him at that number as a UFA. It's why I was so livid. Because they were parting ways with their best defenseman for pennies on the dollar when they gave Girardi a max contract.

E


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:07 pm EST

Vic: sorry. Can't agree. Fancy stats support the New York Rangers defense and their reputation was well earned. Don't discount them. It just isn't the case. You can disagree but I don't know how much support you'd get on that argument but I respect your opinion on it. Just can't go there.

E


Tue Aug 9 2016 3:03 pm EST

the nyr were picked for last after the lockout when prucha was a rookie...they were in 1st most of that season....under tom metrosexual renney.....and the Czech posse .....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 2:42 pm EST

Vic- You were upset that we let Stralman go? Yeah right. Lol

Ola


Tue Aug 9 2016 2:40 pm EST

Tdchi- Sorry but that's just crap, Yandle has been great for PHX in the POs a long time and he was very solid for us two seasons ago and can hardly be blamed for our problems against Pittsburgh. I am sure Yandle will struggle in Florida as much as Tampa will "regret" the contract they gave to Stralman (that now is considered as one of the better contracts in the league). PMDs has been hated in NY for a lot time. The same guys who loves a Marian Gaborik, Brad Richards and the likes always will hate a Yandle, they don't understand how the game works and can't see what good he does. It's as simple as that. When we got Yandle and Boyle before that, we started scoring goals. These guys can break the pattern, open things up. That is required in the game today. Sure Boyle was done, but Yandle has many years left in him. We should have kept him, Gorton definitely wanted too and labelled it a big loss when we lost him. But he still opted to keep many guys over him, that was a mistake.

Ola


Tue Aug 9 2016 1:24 pm EST

E: I've made this point here before about YANDLE. His only strength as an "offensive Dman" was his passing, and really his first pass. YANDLE doesn't count as an offensive Dman in my book because outside of the PP he is mostly invisible in the offensive zone. He rarely (if ever) rushes the puck. He rarely joins the rush ore more importantly joins it late. He doesn't create in the offensive zone. He is no LEETCH. He is no DOUGHTY. He just isn't a dynamic player that makes your team better. And he isn't worth half the money he is getting.

Vic


Tue Aug 9 2016 1:20 pm EST

E: My point is that the D corps didn't "earn" that reputation. They were anointed because of the results, which were mostly due to the Rangers overall game at the time and their commitment to team defense. Their forecheck was AWOL last year and their team D game was gone (and there were other factors as I mentioned). Big surprise that the D looked so bad? Not to me. They are individually good players who were put in a position to fail last year, and fail they did. As for STRALMAN there were many here who were upset that he was not resigned. We were further upset that they went out and signed BOYLE to compensate for it......and were downright furious when they went out and dealt for YANDLE because BOYLE wasn't the replacement for STRALMAN that they were hoping he would be. And really, YANDLE was never a replacement for STRALMAN either. Had they resigned STRALMAN they could have saved themselves a ton in draft picks and assets. They would have also had the best player in the bunch. That is what happens when you make short-sighted, bad decisions. You end up chasing your tail and making other bad decisions to compensate (BOYLE), or downright horrible decisions (YANDLE).

Vic


Tue Aug 9 2016 1:12 pm EST

TD: I think offensive defenseman are grossly overpaid as a principle because their dollar value vs. production. But their need on the ice nonetheless. I wouldn't use the argument of being left off an international team as a standard. I understand what you are saying but the fact that he played a big role for the NYR last season and took 40+ points from the blue line down the road. The NYR are less of a team without him. That's just a fact. where I part ways with some is the eye test that comes with a guy like this. He will make 3 unique passes that look routine tape to tape. But for those chances the one that will get noticed is the one time it gets picked off. Because the nature of an offensive defenseman is taking risks for reward. I have seen this with every teams fans across the league thru the years. The whole, "yeah he scores (sets up) on plays but he's a turnover machine." Of course he is because safe is death with these guys. I have seen Drew Doughty cough up a few ugly ones especially that one in the olympics that nearly cost them the game. And he is in my humble opinion far and away the best blue liner in the world. he gambled a little to try to make something happens. Obviously the best have instincts so great that they minimize the mistakes balanced out with offense. Yandle was no Doughty for sure but he did the job and got paid within the market prices for a player of his skill set. The NYR couldn't afford him. And I'm glad they didn't do something stupid and desperate but he leaves a hole that is going to be hard to fill. I don't think a player like McD has that kind of offense in him although I think he has more then he has shown. Skjei I think doesn't have that skill level and projects more as a shutdown defender. And I certainly don't see Mcilrath jumping into that hole. When you are getting 40-points from the blue line with good possession time and you lose him? Forget the eye test, point production says the NYR are more offensively challenged then at anytime we've seen in a long while with no hope in the barn for help.

E


Tue Aug 9 2016 12:52 pm EST

And if Yandle was our best D last year, then that goes a LONG way toward explaining why we barely lasted five games into the post-season.

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 12:51 pm EST

Ola - Easy to look at those apples and think Yandle is some sort of wunderkind. Lot more difficult to look at what he did for the Rangers and argue that it was of much value...you can make a case for him being misused...and that Boyle's decay made him look even worse...but sorry...his stats don't equal the contract he got...just one more point on Yandle: Don't you think there's a good reason this guy gets overlooked every year for international competition? How many defensemen with his point totals get passed over every year? No matter. He's Florida's problem now. He'll probably have another 50 points and still finish the season -10.

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 11:53 am EST

stevie: Yep and except for Z all bottom end players. Yes they might/should/will have some positive impact but to what extent?

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 11:52 am EST

Graves and Glendenning to the minors and McI in the pressbox. Holden, Staal, Girardi, Skeji, KK, and McD as the starting 6. Unless Gorther gets off his hands again, sounds like that's written in stone (barring injuries, of course).

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 11:42 am EST

http://www.hockeyinsiders.net/2016/08/08/khl-game-cancelled-after-player-attacks-the-entire/

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 11:36 am EST

OLA, from your side of the pond: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/kristian-vesalainen-is-finlands-power-forward-threat-for-the-2017-draft/

mf


Tue Aug 9 2016 11:03 am EST

Hi gang...The Olympics are helping a bit with the Ranger withdrawal. Anyraod, OLA I agree with you to some extent, I feel Klein was our best Dman. That said, Yandle was second. I do feel he improved the PP and he was a solid two way, puck moving dman. I think this is ANOTHER player we are going to regret losing.

WIOSA


Tue Aug 9 2016 10:54 am EST

Tdchi- Lol is that so? Well you cannot have watched the Yandle I was watching. Last season Keith Yandle was our best D and 17th overall in the league in goals against/60. He sucked defensively, but no goals where scores when he was on the? I know what you will say, it was only because he D partner, the mighty Dan Boyle, saved him right? He was 9th overall in pts/60. But he was brought in to help our PP, he did NOT!!!!!! Well he was 3rd overall in points/60 on the PP.

Ola


Tue Aug 9 2016 10:20 am EST

VIC: but they had earned that title as one of the best defenses in the NHL. Statistically, things like shot suppression were amongst the best in the league. They were hard to get around. Staal was in his wonder years where any player coming down his side of the ice puck on stock would be stripped and he'd land a nice spread pass on the breakout. But when they all started to fade together. While I think that Staal is most likely to regain his form they just hit the wall. And mistakes were made. The signing of Boyle and dismissal of Stralman I think was one of the worst, if not the worst decision by management in the last 8-seasons. And one that many fans never even realized. Now, they are very thin. Boyle and Yandle are gone. And despite the constant maligning that Yandle got by some you will miss him. A lot. You MUST have a Yandle in your lineup to go somewhere. And now, you have a bucket of maybes, undistinguished journeyman, and a lot of hopes and dreams for the defense. I applaud our GM for not being impulsive and doing something stupid like packaging Skjei, Mcilrath and the teams 2021-22-23 first rounders for the rights to sign some guy one year from free agency when the team is relatively cap fuxed anyway. I'm not sure we'd be saying the same if Sather was calling the shots day to day. Bu they couldn't find an answer thus far. Hopefully, that changes but the best moves are sometimes the ones you don't make. And I'm sure he could've had a Barrie if he was willing to pay. And I dread to think what that price tag would be. I think this is a retool and development season. The most crucial of AV's tenure. He has to develop the team into a winner. He isn't inheriting a winner that needed a coach with the ability to get them to take that last step.

E


Tue Aug 9 2016 9:44 am EST

It seems like something has got to give on defense: McDonagh, Klein, Staal, Girardi, Skjei, Holden, McIlrath, Clendening, Graves. Holden seems like an every game dman. He played top pair minutes for Colorado last season and I don't think the Rangers intend on him being the 7th defenseman. So what do they do? It feels like they HAVE to move someone out and I don't know who that is going to be.

evets1980


Tue Aug 9 2016 9:08 am EST

rf4l right now there could be 6 guys on the roster that weren't last year.

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 8:40 am EST

evets: Yep, these are the doggiest days I can ever recall and I guess in part it's because of managements proclamation that big changes would happen over the summer. That's hardly happened and time is running out here. Once camp start nears, it's rare moves of any significance occur. Gorther's sitting on his hands again...

RF4L


Tue Aug 9 2016 7:31 am EST

I've come to expect this level of inactivity every August... but I am itching for some real news. I hope that the Jimmy Vesey signing on August 15 (wherever he ends up) will loosen things up a bit and get things going.

evets1980


Tue Aug 9 2016 7:14 am EST

So, how and why did it all go so bad last year? Was it coaching? Was it fatigue? Was it the loss of key players? Was it the fact that they got slower instead of faster? Was it aging players that "crossed the line" of productivity? Was it injuries? Was it just a lot of guys having down seasons at the same time? I could go on and on. And the truth is probably that it was a little bit of all of those things and more. The reality in the NHL is that the parity among teams makes it so that the differences between really good teams and mediocre teams isn't that big. When teams fall off a little in many areas they can drop significantly in terms of results. And when teams put a few things together and are able to play a strong team game in all three zones they can quickly climb to being a really good team (like the Pens last year). I don't know what the Rangers will be this year. My head says they are better then they showed last year. They got away from their game (maybe because they failed against the Kings and Lightning). I think they went in the wrong direction and I'm hoping they bring back the style of play, the pace and approach they had when they were successful. I think the D is better in terms of personnel going into this year. Just getting rid of BOYLE and moving on from YANDLE should be a plus. They need to have SKJEI and maybe BODIE step in and provide some more offense from the back line. They need the forwards to play like they did a few years ago with that swarming, speed game. Can they get that back? Can they be better then they were last year. I think the answer is YES to both questions. I just don't know if they WILL.

Vic


Tue Aug 9 2016 7:03 am EST

I find it funny how quickly perceptions can change in the media and among fans. Exactly 12 months ago the media and fans (across the NHL no less) were talking about the Rangers D corps as being one of the BEST in the NHL if not the best. Here we are 12 months later and now they are one of the WORST, if not the worst???? Frankly, I don't buy either view. IMHO the Rangers D corps was considered so strong a year ago because of the results of the team. Specifically, the Rangers were forechecking monsters that played a majority of the game in the other team's end. They kept teams off-balance and unable to attack. Much like we saw with the Pens in the playoffs, when other teams finally got possession of the puck it was all they could do to get it out of their end and dump it down so they could get a change. The other factor was that the Rangers played much more desperate and much faster team D. They rarely surrendered odd-man rushes and they busted their asses getting back on the back-check. And in their own end you almost never saw a guy standing alone in the crease with nobody near him. Defensive zone coverage was much more conservative and they were much better at protecting the most dangerous areas of the ice. Last year all of those things were flip flopped. The Rangers had little to no sustained forecheck in most games. They were disjointed offensively and rarely ever looked like the swarming team that overwhelmed teams with speed and puck possession like they did the previous year. They were constantly late on the forecheck and late on the back-check. The puck seemed to spend the majority of the time in their own end and it was so often agonizing as the Rangers couldn't get control of the puck to get it out, or worse kept turning it over when they did get possession. And when they did get it out they were now the team surrendering possession just to get a change. And the defensive coverage in their own end was pathetic. They regularly surrendered grade A scoring chances allowing opposing players the luxury of time and space in the slot. It was ugly and a complete turnaround.....

Vic


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:36 am EST

OLa the problem has become with the cap after you tie a few guys up , your hands are tied. it looks like the nyr are hoping their young inexpensive kids can reform their d. girardi, staal, mcd, klien are not getting younger , and probably will have to be replaced . yandle was a victim of the cap here, and 1 by 1 so will the remaining 4. with a 70 mil cap, how much can you spend on 6 d? last year they had about close to 30 mil for 7 d which is 1/3 of the team ....put hank and anti in there it's close to 40 for 9 guys which is less than 1/2 of the team. 30 -35 mil for the other 13 guys is a juggling game. so nash becomes the target to turn him into 2 or 3 players.....even if he scores 40 goals....the cap is ruining the game, and the concept and chemistry of a TEAM. And that might be the nyr major problem, chemistry and team with real leaders....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:33 am EST

Ola - I don't know which Yandle you were watching, but the one I saw last year gave up more goals than he set up. The guy was a liability. And sure, you come to expect that with puck movers...but man, he made Del Zotto look like Norris winner...There was a reason why the guy didn't supplant Marc Staal at second pairing despite Staal having his worst season of professional hockey...and it's because even Marc Staal with one eye is twice the defenseman...Very happy the Rangers passed on him and his ridiculously large(and long) contract.

tdchi


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:13 am EST

Hospo- Yeah, the lack of PMDs has disturbed me for a good 10 years following the lock-out and it will be a huge problem again now. For how long? Another 10 years? The game today is so tight checked, all players on the ice are like a second goalie and not only puts their bodies on the line but actually "saves" shots, that you need very creative, alert and skilled Ds on the ice to open things up. Nobody -- and I mean nobody -- can score by themselves. Its not even about a line. Its about icing a unit of 5 that together can do the necessary things to open things up in order to put the puck in the net on a regular basis. HENCE, teams are downright desperate for these PMDs. Look at what teams are paying to get guys like Timmonen in a wheelchair, Andy McDonald, Wishnevsky and the likes. Now Barrie is locked up, what is the odds of (i) Shattenkirk hitting the market, and (ii) and us getting him, and even if that happen, (iii) what on earth would he be paid per? 9m per? I think it was very very problematic that we let Yandle go. You cannot measure these guys defensively with the same yardstick as you look at the other guys. Yandle was trashed from day one, and we opted to keep a bunch of players that IMO are pretty suspect in favor of Yandle. It was kind of like with Strålman. Nobody liked him either, nobody went out of their way to keep him. But you make your own bed. I am sure Gorton will have all kind of excuses when we can't score down the road, but facts are that we let these guys walk for nothing.

Ola


Tue Aug 9 2016 6:11 am EST

if buek can coach the d better, and weeknow steps up his game a lot sooner than the 2nd half of the season, then fishboy will have a better picture of the players and the team before the deadline. ...the shouldn't be as bad as many think they will be, but that's typical of most fans...seeing is believing.....except for darkospo.....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 9 2016 12:37 am EST

E - I disagree with you on the depth of the defense but agree there is a big problem...In Mcd, Klein,Staal,Skeji,Mcilrath, Girardi and Holden , the Rangers have 7 NHL D-men...But what they don't have is the 2nd/3rd offensive D-man and PP guy who could let everybody play in their right lev el...That's the huge problem..Without one, they are up shit's creek without a paddle...And I'm not sure if any D-man like that is avaialbale if Shattenkirk and Barrie are not going to be traded (FOWLER??)...Again, maybe things don't happen until next week when the Rangers and other teams see if they get Jesus Vesey

Hospo


Mon Aug 8 2016 11:56 pm EST

And meanwhile on another plain of existence the NYR defense looks like one of the thinnest in the NHL. Better hope for a massive reboot and software upgrade on Girardi and Staal because the defense is depending on big minutes from them. (Throws up in his Cheerios just thinking about it.)

E


Mon Aug 8 2016 9:52 pm EST

_Arc - You're on my friend....I actually don;t think that he was that great his 1st year outside of a 25 game strtetch in Feb and March...Has the ability to be good but a piss poor selfish attitude....and weak as hell..All correctable if the player wants it...I just get the feeling Hayes is too dman cocky and too damn impressed with himself...Hope you're right....We'll see..

Hospo


Mon Aug 8 2016 7:47 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-nassau-county-hoping-to-lure-islanders-back-the-coliseum/

mf


Mon Aug 8 2016 5:56 pm EST

Didn't watch this yet, so I don't know if it's got anything worth while, but what the hell: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hockey-pdocast-episode-98-can-henrik-lundqvist-continue-cover-new-york-rangers-blueline-flaws/

RF4L


Mon Aug 8 2016 5:35 pm EST

Hospo- that's why they call it a 'sophomore slump' old man. I'll spot you a case of Labatt that Hayrs will top 50 points this year. Again I don't think he's playing 'selfishly' on purpose per se; think he just hasn't figured it all outjustyet and things between you're ears tend to snowball. I'm more worried that Keieder may never figure 'it' out than Hayes since he's already had few years to do so.

_Arc


Mon Aug 8 2016 4:40 pm EST

That's strange. I had Buch there before when I was thinking about this. Maybe I deleted him? Oh snap... That might be a sign..l

E


Mon Aug 8 2016 4:18 pm EST

only if the nyr of not last season, but of year before show up will they be a 100 point team. the roster is not bleak, unless guys decide to be mercenary freeloaders....and mr weeknow learns some new tricks instead of being a 1-2 trick pony....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 8 2016 3:46 pm EST

E - what about Buchnevich?

evets1980


Mon Aug 8 2016 3:46 pm EST

OLa who belongs to nyr besides kovac?

stevielegs


Mon Aug 8 2016 3:22 pm EST

Andei - Not labeling HAYES a bust yet..I know he has talent..Too early to give up on him or trade him for nothing..BUT..Just don't like his attitude,effort,style and game SO FAR..He can easily make me eat some Crow parmigana! TDCHI - All good.

Hospo


Mon Aug 8 2016 2:50 pm EST

Hospo - 10-4. Though just to clarify a little, what I meant by 'hate this team' was not the Rangers themselves, but the roster and players...and by hate, I meant 'don't like' --hatred is a bit harsh and a term that should only be used in relation to the stinking Pittsburgh Penguins ;)

tdchi


Mon Aug 8 2016 2:22 pm EST

Hospo, let's wait to mark Hayes as a bust yet. I do recall time two years ago when we all wondered if JT Miller will ever be a top 6 forward. JT as well had a lot of set backs in his 2nd year, before starting to put it all together half way through the last season (his 3rd). Sometimes kids need a a few seasons to make the proper adjustments and solidify their spot on the roster.

andrei


Mon Aug 8 2016 2:15 pm EST

I was doing some rosterbaiting this morning. Why not? It's August and there is no hockey. it looks like the top-6 is done. CK, Stepan, MZA, JT, Zib, Nash. The bottom-6 is gonna be a mess. Gotta think Lindberg when he heals is in with Hayes, and Fast as well as Grabner. After that? It's marginal city. Joorus, Gerbe, LaPierre, Glass, Jensen, Hrivik. It's the deepest bottom-6 pool we've seen in a while. On the counter it's not very impressive talent wise.

E


Mon Aug 8 2016 12:22 pm EST

Hayes with a bounce back year or improvement? Don't hold your breath on the moop...Th problem obviously is not his talent but that his game and thinking (if you want to call it that)..doesn't fit in with anybody...HAYES is the guy that is going to have to make the sacrifice and stop doing the selfish things he loves and play a more team friendly game..He does that and you might have a good player...I just can't see it yet, but young kids to make changes..and I hoe ther's a coach or a vet that is riding that punk's ass all camp..

Hospo


Mon Aug 8 2016 10:49 am EST

M Nylander's dad trained him and his brother Peter extremely hard. I have a friend who was a close friend of Peter, I've heard some legendary stories. M Nylander has taken 2 additional kids under his wings besides his sons William and the Buffalo draftee (lost his name). The Timschenko kid drafted by Toronto that dominated in the WJCs and Robin Kovac. Robin, Timachenko and the Butfalo draftee formed a legendary teenage line a handful of years ago in a famous youth tournament in Sweden for 15 y/o that is broadcasted on TV. Timschenko is the Nyls copy of the two lol, reminds me so much of Nyls.

Ola


Mon Aug 8 2016 10:44 am EST

RF -- Zucc has led the team in scoring 2 out of the past 3 seasons. What more could you expect from a guy who is 5'6"? He backchecks hard, he's an amazing passer, he is one of the more physical players on the team.....and all this after getting his melon split...he's the last guy who should be singled out as part of the problem. Could he improve in some areas? Of course. But, his attributes point more to being part of,the solution than part of the problem.

JFC31


Mon Aug 8 2016 10:12 am EST

Conclucius say, " it be interesting to see if Gary Bung-Holio Buttman deals with Kane on par with Slava Voyno."

mf


Mon Aug 8 2016 8:57 am EST

Evander Kane a Ranger? No thanks. This article is harsh and sure reads like he's got a substance abuse issue: http://nypost.com/2016/08/02/nhls-most-odious-punk-adds-assault-suit-to-ugly-offseason/

RF4L


Mon Aug 8 2016 8:53 am EST

The NY Post article on Z and what he needs to do laments the lost of chemistry between Brassard and MZA. What chemistry? After a fabulous first quarter last year, MZA was mediocre and that duo were horrid defensively. MZA is one player for sure I'm expecting a better year out of.

RF4L


Mon Aug 8 2016 8:41 am EST

stevielegs: IMO 3 Rangers did reasonably well: Miller, KK and Raanta. The first 2 did tail off, however, in the last quarter of the season but overall they were good and Miller clearly took a significant step forward in his development. The fact that it's a struggle to answer your question can result in 2 conclusions, I think: The team is on the downslope and this year things will only get worse vs the skill level is still there for everyone else and now we are rid of Dan Boyle, the players aren't exactly ancient so a bounce back for a bunch of is reasonable to anticipate and therefore, a better season is in store. It really keeps coming back to the same thing for me: Will the leadership core and the coach adjust? If neither happens, a dogfight for a PO spot might be the most to expect....

RF4L


Mon Aug 8 2016 6:08 am EST

who had a good year last season on the nyr ?....very few....conclusion ?.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 8 2016 5:56 am EST

HAYES not sure where all this bounce back year talk is coming from, Hayes produced almost the same as year one. He had a three week hot streak his rookie year where he racked up an extra handful of points. Remove that hit streak and you have the same offensive output as year two. The difference in his game was decision making, both with and without the puck. He was horrible when it came to skating back to back check the worst part was often that need to back check often came from his poor decision making in both the neutral zone and offensive zone while passing the puck. This was where he regressed last year. When you're a rookie these things are excused to a degree, but what made it so bad this year was because in year one he was making a serious defensive effort and that effort all but disappeared in year two. When you compound that with the fact that his offensive output did not increase in direct relation to his failure to carry out other assignments and you get a failure here. Had he increased his scoring by 15-20 points you could start to excuse his lack of back checking and bad decision making with the puck as high risk Hugh reward type play and if he bettered his scoring by 20 points you have the reward. The problem is there was no reward, you had the same offensive player as year one without the defense. A bounce back year to me means what he has another hot streak for a couple weeks and what scores an extra 10 points to equal year ones output? Okay but still nothing special IMO.

York18


Sun Aug 7 2016 9:25 pm EST

some shmucks will cut & paste anything: In the 2012 edition of The Hockey News Future Watch, Adam Clendening was ranked as the 8th prospect on the Blackhawks, ahead of Kevin Hayes. The 2012 edition said of Clendening, "a playmaker the Hawks think can be a PP QB down the road." In 2013, The Hockey News Future Watch had Clendening ranked 6th and they wrote "skilled offensive defenseman starting to get noticed, played in AHL All-Star game." In the 2014 Future Watch, Clendening was ranked 3rd and they wrote "Clendening has climbed Chicago's depth chart due to his offensive dominance in Rockford. Poise and patiene with the puck are his main assets and according to Kelley, "he's an elite passer in all three zones. The PP QB leads the IceHogs in scoring. THe Hawks do not lack offensive blue liners, so he's not being rushed. He needs to keep working on his skating. He's worked really hard off the ice and that needs to continue." Kevin Hayes was not ranked as one of the Blackhawks top ten prospects in 2013 and in 2014 he was ranked 6th. In the 2013-14 edition of The Sports Forecaster they wrote the following about Clendening: "The physical puck moving D-man turned pro after his sophomore campaign and took to the AHL game immediately. Names to the AHL second All-Star Team, he had 18 points in the Final 23 games. In the 2014-15 edition they wrote: "The best offensive defenseman in the system led the AHL affiliate in total scoring. He moves the puck smartly, jumps into the rush and could eventually be a factor on the Chicago PP." After being moved to Vancouver, the 2015-16 edition wrote: The former Blackhawks prospect has nothing left to prove in the minors, but needs a break to crack the NHL lineup. Clendening saw action in four games with Chicago before being traded to Vancouver, where he appeared in 17 more NHL contests. His puck-moving skills are his greatest asset and he knows how to run a PP." Clendening, 23, signed with the Rangers on July 1 that will pay him $600,000 in the NHL and $300,000 in the AHL. Tags: Adam Clendening........ (maybe we'll get lucky with this guy) ......https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/adam-clendenings-evaluations-as-a-prospect-and-young-player/193972018

mf


Sun Aug 7 2016 9:17 pm EST

Robin Kovacs said that his goal is to play in North America and that he feels he is a better player on the smaller ice. (Newsday) He added "I want to take the puck to the net." (Newsday) Chris Drury said that Kovacs has improved since his season in AIK and has also put on about 10 pounds of muscle since training camp last year. (NYR) Gordie Clark said that Kovacs trains with the Nylander brothers and that former Ranger Michael Nylander provides a "strict workout regimen." (NYR) Kovacs is described as an "annoying" player to play against and as an agitator who can both take and draw penalties. (Hockey's Future) He is said to be a "shoot first" player that loves using the "half slapper." (Hockey's Future) .... Kovacs is expected to play this season in North America..... Tags: Robin Kovacs....... https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/robin-kovacs-is-described-as-an-annoying-player-to-play-against/194188092

mf


Sun Aug 7 2016 8:30 pm EST

Hayes has to compete for the puck. He doesn't do it with near enough regularity. Just too many nights when the urgency isn't there. Now granted JT for example was a turnover machine going into last season but as the season wore on his sense for what to do the with the puck grew by leaps and bounds. I'm sure some of that has to do with coaching. CK at his presser confirms has been told to play more physical, more dominating hockey which I'm sure Were echoing the words coming from the coaching staff as well. I just question the upside of Hayes. It's a skill in and of itself to be able to slow the game and extend it out as a playmaker. It's a rare ability to do it in the NHL. Maybe 20-30 that can do it well. But Hayes gotta do something afterwards and too often his decision making just isn't there. And then there is the skating. He's an anchor on his linemates.

E


Sun Aug 7 2016 8:21 pm EST

KIS- I too believe Hayes will have a bounce back year. The kid definitely has s very good amount of raw talent and guys like him with their long languid stride always look 'lazy' but I think that was a little overblown. Like all young guys he just has to figure out the simple concept of when to get rid of the puck. Playing with Buch would be really interesting wspecially if you put a speedster on the other side (Jensen ready????) but unfortunately that speedster is going to be Fast I'm not all that interested. Not sure what AV's fascination is with that guy but for a fast guy he has very little explosion; if I'm not mistaken his PK numbers are actually towards the lower end even on this shitty PK team. I wonder if the new arrivals are going to ankle Fast a little redundant? Nah, he'll prob be on the first line

_Arc


Sun Aug 7 2016 5:17 pm EST

RF4L- I can't find a link, but I read an article covering this issue quiet deeply. There is Kassian and Hodgson, there is not one example of any other kid he even remotely held back in Vancouver. Instead he brought in a lot of kids and a lot of young players had their break-through under him. But he got a rep from Hodgson and Kassian, the future Oates and Neely that would be a great 2nd line between the Sedins, well....

Ola


Sun Aug 7 2016 5:15 pm EST

RF4L- Yeah, yes it is. ;)

Ola


Sun Aug 7 2016 4:36 pm EST

not to be mixed up with dopey ? or hemorrhoids? instead of steroids .....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 7 2016 3:40 pm EST

A couple of returning Rangers I'm anxious to see in preseason are Kevin Hayes and Dan Girardi . Is #5 done, or will his knee have recovered enough for him to keep up with play in his own zone? Will Hayes come to camp lighter with better foot speed ( I'm betting he will). Buch of course has skill for top 9 for sure- but he will be tested physically in the NHL- his upper body is weak (is he the only Russian not doping?:-)

puckyou


Sun Aug 7 2016 3:10 pm EST

Wasn't Hodgson a case of a guy who broke into the league with a lot of upside? I think he was a first round pick and franchise type player. And to my knowledge I don't think he's done dicky doo since that time. And in the case of Kassian? He just wasn't very good. I think AV has a realtively meh record with development. McD has grown up under him. Zuc has thrived under him. JT got screwed with by AV but he has put him in good positions and slowly he is putting it together. There are some what I consider urban myths with AV. Being unable to develop was always one of them. But I heard that with Tortorella as well. If you went by that logic the NYR didn't develop a player in the last what? 6-8 seasons? Another that bothers is AV wants to play pussy hockey. I totally reject this notion. I think he wants to play fast hockey. I think he wants to play off of the walls. I think he wants to play skilled hockey. The teams that succeed in the grinding hockey game were completely disassembled this season by fast teams. The LAK looked like they were stuck in reverse against a SJ team that just was on pucks everywhere. And Anaheim who I consider the other great grind team in the NHL were dismissed. And PIT completely blitzed every team they played. I think the game is changing and while I am a big believer that your team has to be quick I also believe in the concept that games are won on special teams. And PP chances are earned behind the opponents net (I read a stat a while back that showed over 70% of penalties drawn in the NHL were in deep. I disagree with AV on the idea of coming in with speed and trying a shot with a single forecheck era in deep so you can square 4 at mid ice. I understand its effectiveness but it doesn't dictate the pace of the play enough. And it doesn't earn enough PP in my opinions. It's safe hockey. Or I sometimes I interpret it as playing not to lose. But I think it's reflected in the number of PP earned. So, I think AV can be maligned unfairly. I think he is a good coach. I definitely like the way the NYR play now as compared to Tortorella who spent an entire game shuffling lines and playing this permitted yielding style of zone hockey where they didn't challenge the shooter instead built a wall around the net. Tortorella testudo I remember it being called by someone here. And so here I am. I don't like to change coaches unless the team cannot right itself or when the coach loses the team. He hasn't lost them, and despite a myriad of issues (many of which I don't necessarily pin on him 100%) has he done anything to deserve to be fired for. I believe in the concept of coaching stability. I'm a little old school that way. As known, AV wasn't my pick for coach. I would've gone a different way. But that stated, the team has thrived under him and up until recently has done so with relative calmness and stability. I've heard endless criticisms of his treatment of Mcilrath (a guy who I think is serviceable but not anything great outside of some of other stuff he brings) but fast rewind a year before and the same was being lobbed at JT. And will Skjei or Buch be this seasons case study in frustration? I truly do not know. But I try to discern reality from fantasy around the coach. And despite my issues with him they've won a lot of hockey games. And as much as anything else that's the point. What they really needed now was Messier behind the bench. J/K never!!!

E


Sun Aug 7 2016 2:53 pm EST

Ola. Nope. Not true.

RF4L


Sun Aug 7 2016 2:05 pm EST

RF4L- Nope, he got that label due to how he threated Kassian and Hodgson only.

Ola


Sun Aug 7 2016 10:32 am EST

Some good observations and interesting information what the author considers to be the Rangers tops prospect 30 to 11...here's a link to the 20 to 11: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/8/3/12170406/july-2016-new-york-rangers-prospect-rankings-20-11

RF4L


Sun Aug 7 2016 10:08 am EST

In the category of don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out..... Per SportsBlogNewYork ‏@SportBlogNYC .... BREAKING: Yankees will release Alex Rodriguez after Friday's game. A-Rod has 5 games left. He's 4 HRs away from 700.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 7 2016 10:06 am EST

Per Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger ..... Igor Shestyorkin says that he is OK despite initial suspicion of concussion after being hit late against Sochi. Good news on Shestyorkin, of course, but you do hope correct concussion protocols are followed to be sure. Such an important time for him.... http://www.championat.com/hockey/news-2541258-shestjorkin-moja-travma-vsjo-normalno-byl-neudachnyj-igrovoj-moment.html …

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 7 2016 8:18 am EST

I think you will see a very good rebound year from the Rangers. One as Yorkie always mentions Nash is good one year bad the next. I think You will see him have a very good your paired with Z. I think you will see a Z squared line wit Nash ZUcc, Zabenijad and Nash. Then an all amercan line with Miller Kreider and Stepan. this line if they break out with the speed grit and smarts can be an awesome one in the NHL Bring in Buch with Hayes. You have the possibilities of something good with this team. Hayes will have a better year as well I think he will be in shape. He has good vision puck control and can pas very well. He just needs to have his head on Straight. If Buch is what people say he is, he can have a good start with Hayes. Obviously being optimistic but I truly do feel the Rangers will be much better than many of you. Enjoy the fast of the summer

KIS


Sun Aug 7 2016 8:00 am EST

Hospo: Of those alarming stats you've been citing over the past few days the one that really stands out is their .500 record after game 18. You know where a .500 record overall puts them? Tied with NJ for the 20th overall spot. In retrospect, given the fact that for many of those first 18 games, the wins they did accomplish were due to the goalies standing on their heads, they were lucky the Coyotes didn't have a 2nd lottery pick. Without a doubt, something has to change with this organization and given what little Gorther has actually done this off-season, unless something significant occurs between now and October, it's gonna have to come from within and by that I mean, something mental, be it with the coaches, the leadership core and the players in general. So far there's no new messiah poised lead this club out of the wilderness of mediocrity.

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:46 pm EST

Alphabetically speaking, after Girardi comes, "T. Glass." Handles the puck like a hot potato, live grenade, cactus in bare hands..(pick-em)... This is why I have been all over the guys case... No hate, the roster spots are just too damn important... Next.......

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:41 pm EST

HOSPO: states the magic word. Possession. You can even be an undersized team with it. You can even be a softer team with it. But as long as your team has the puck the other team ain't scoring. And that of course is why I see the with dislike for Girardi. Not a bad guy. Good team mate. Brave as can be. Willing to put his body on the line. But he doesn't get the job done on shot suppression and possession. And that makes him relatively useless to me.

E


Sat Aug 6 2016 5:05 pm EST

When E.F.Hospo speaks, people listen! Easy there buddy, nobody's stealing your thunder... I just had to look these miserable stats up for my own... :-)

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 3:24 pm EST

MF/SCHNEIDW - I've been mentioning the Rangers being dead last in PP chances for over two months....It more than likely indicates some disturbing thinngs that are borne ut by other stats..They don't win many FOs.....They don't possess the puck well, they don't drive to the net often enough and they rarely get to the puck first...So many things have to change....not least of all the coacching....

Hospo


Sat Aug 6 2016 2:54 pm EST

MF: gotta think the main reason the NYRs had so few PPA attempts is because they never had possession of the puck...they were freaking chasing the puck all season...the main reason in IMHO is because the forecheck was horrible... the NYRs need some size and strength on the wings and to show some willingness to fight for the puck along the boards...

schneidw


Sat Aug 6 2016 2:44 pm EST

Let the Injuries begin: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/8/6/12391584/igor-shestyorkin-suffers-concussion-in-khl-preseason-game

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 12:48 pm EST

Rangers were tied for 6 FEWEST PPG's last season, & DEAD Last in PPA's......... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/teamstats.php?NHL

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 12:47 pm EST

I wonder if the coach reached out to Z....

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 12:25 pm EST

schneidw: where have you been... This sheet has been going on for at least two seasons.... The season before last we dressed 7 defensemen against (TBL?) because they allowed McDonagh to skate with a broken bone/s in his foot..... Maybe these coaches need to spend more time in the locker room..... AAFAIC, I'm with Gene_Carr, Coach A-Vishyssoise can spend the time in anothe teams locker room, get him the puck out of here...... j m lovely opinion

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 12:21 pm EST

Here's a team statistic chart from Yahoo focusing on PP & FO..... We've covered the points that the PK had a direct correlation to our GAA many more times than the fact that this pansified coach & his whistle to whistle bullsheet had us DEAD Last in POWER PLAY OPPORTUNITIES... See for yourselves...... http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/stats/byteam?cat=misc&conference=NHL&year=season_2015&cut_type=0&sort=410

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 11:40 am EST

OLA- Great Point! WTF was AV/Ulfie doing playing Girardi with a broken knee cap while McIlrath was in the press box.. makes no freaking sense whatsoever...

schneidw


Sat Aug 6 2016 11:34 am EST

FROM "Z"...Who reached out, "Girardi did, McDonagh did, Hayes, JT, Lundqvist, Staal did..... very telling.. who the leadership core it with NYRs... Girardi/Staal will rebound and NYRs will be very competitive next year

schneidw


Sat Aug 6 2016 10:19 am EST

Ola: Disagree - the problems with youth in Vancouver weren't solely related to those 2 guys. There was loud and long criticisms from across the board about AV's handling of the young players on that club, although it become more of an issue after the Canucks got successful under AV's guidance, especially once the downturn started. There is marked similarities there to what happened last year and what I am afraid we'll see this year.

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 9:52 am EST

RF4L- In all fairness you should also point out why AV got a reputation of not being rookie friendly in Vancouver. It all comes from him not playing Cory Hodgson and Zach Kassian as 19-20 y/os in the NHL. Everyone knows that I have been McIlrath's biggest fan at this place, I would have liked to see him play more hands down. But AV went with Dan Boyle instead, McIlrath got cold and wasn't an option really at the end, he was inexperienced and had sat for 4 months straight. I would have liked to see Girardi rested more. I don't disagree on those subjects, just think it is fair to point out that AVs rep of not being rookie friendly in Vancouver was pure and utter BS. Instead a lot of kids was brought into the league or had their first real success under AV.. But Hodgson and Kassian where thought to be the next Oates and Neely by Van fans and they couldn't believe that AV didn't realize it...

Ola


Sat Aug 6 2016 9:10 am EST

rf4l fishboy should see if he can trade weeknow and his contract....for anything....to a team that wants to make the playoffs and then get eliminated....

stevielegs


Sat Aug 6 2016 9:07 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHlxBZMiqw

stevielegs


Sat Aug 6 2016 9:06 am EST

stevie: That's basically my concern (that he's not about to change his ways). Why would he? He's had tremendous success in 2 different organizations coaching as he does and if/when Gorther fires him, he'll surely land another head coaching job in the NHL. To me, it's not if, it's how quickly he's hired elsewhere.

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 9:06 am EST

moofy....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cin0QzuEss

stevielegs


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:58 am EST

the big part were his decisions...rushing back and playing girardi , and sticking with boyle ....just so big mac couldn't play because he determined those 2 were better than him in his mind is very debatable....in the very least there should have been a rotation system put in place .....if he continues to stubbornly stick with guys he prefers based on his feelings and past analytics, if he really is using them, defies hockey logic....alias bad coaching....anyone want to bet if he can really change or not ?...not is my opinion.....someday fishboy will figure that out.....while rosterbation and line generating produces probably similar results as last season...

stevielegs


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:38 am EST

stevie: Plus they played so passively so often. No snarl. No wonder - the only player who's permitted by the coach to play with any sort of belligerence is Glass.

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:18 am EST

hospo...."..They were bottom 5 in the league in possession (I think)..Bottom 10 in SOG allowed (Ithink)..Bottom 10 in FOs....They were dead last in the league in PP opportunities becasue they rarely had the puck or beat the other team to it...The lines were a mess all year...".....great job coach....

stevielegs


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:11 am EST

Oh, meant to add it'll be interesting to see how Skeji does. He was a revelation last year, probably to AV as much as anyone else. What happens when he hits the inevitable struggling streak? How will AV handle it?

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 8:10 am EST

mf: That prospect article isn't bad and I concur with the author's take on AV. He is not rookie friendly - that was the criticism he earned in Vancouver and we've seen it in New York, too. I know the Ranger defenders will point to Kreider and Miller (and perhaps Hayes) in effort to prove this stance incorrect but my thoughts are this: What Ranger youngster has blossomed under his tutelage? None yet. Kreider continues to under-achieve, Hayes regressed last year, McI was treated horribly and Lindberg faired only marginally better than McI. Miller showed signs of emerging, which I will give AV credit for - it'll be interesting to see if that development curve continues or flattens this year. I also concur that AV must be more patient this year and more willing to let his younger players learn.

RF4L


Sat Aug 6 2016 6:51 am EST

We have had a long break and the summer has been filled with speculation about which payer(s) need to step up this year. I am of the firm opinion that the most important improvement has to be with the coach. If I were in charge he would be gone yesterday. Our best hope is that he be put on a short leach and given a twenty game max trial to see if he has changed his ways. All of the statistical shortcomings laid out on this site are as much a reflection of his game plan and player selection and utilization as it is with the talent level of the players available to him.

gene_carr


Sat Aug 6 2016 12:23 am EST

Rangers Nicklas Jensen will be competing for a roster spot: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8999

mf


Sat Aug 6 2016 12:15 am EST

worth a read IMO: http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-east/new-york-rangers/rangers-must-develop-prospects-correctly/

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:57 pm EST

The Vladimir Sobotka rumors of returning from the KHL to STL are heating up again...... With the loss of Backes & Brouwer it makes sense..... IMO could cool off the Nash for Shattenkirk rumors....

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:56 pm EST

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/logan-couture-nhl-elite-defensemen-top-5/

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:51 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/zibanejad-focused-proving-rangers-not-senators-wrong-article-1.2739950

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:40 pm EST

10 hours ago: http://nypost.com/2016/08/05/mika-zibanejad-and-what-itll-take-for-rangers-to-win-brassard-trade/

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:39 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/08/05/long-island-wants-the-islanders-back-at-nassau-coliseum/

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:28 pm EST

SLegs: good choice..... . Hospo plays the BOC card..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3D68KWfZOo

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 10:37 pm EST

Or death cab for cuties....

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 10:16 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVn6b9QQZeM..Death amongst the Cowbells...

Hospo


Fri Aug 5 2016 9:23 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my2ig7mGHtE

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 9:11 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5va1iaLj2M

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 6:05 pm EST

HOSPO: man, you are death incarnate. I cannot make a real compelling argument against you right now.

E


Fri Aug 5 2016 5:32 pm EST

E - The stats do point to the PK being a problem but, especially after Thanksgiving, they also point to FOs, Puck possession, PP Opportunities, thePP itself, and team defense (SOG) as being big problems,,,,I think fixing the PK, while needed, is a drop in the bucket,,,

Hospo


Fri Aug 5 2016 5:28 pm EST

TDCHI - Just to be clear --- I had to say that!-- I truly respect your opinion, knowledge and love of Rangers...And I have no problem with your opinions and the way you state them or support them...you even come closeto convincing me sometimes..:).....However, what gets in my craw is when you say something like you did before "Explain that to me please. I dig it, some of you HATE this team for whatever reason. And admittedly, last season was a major disappointment...but window closing...on their way down....man...it's all so melodramatic" First off, you know nobody on this Wall hates the Rangers (now, loving them and hating them at the same time is something different!!)..while it's not ridiculing the opinion of others (like some do here).I kinda see it as a snarky piss on the opinon of others just because they have a different opinion and think the Rangers may have major issues..It just seems out of bounds to me......Oh well. no biggie...This Wall would be a total bore if we didn't disagree on the players and the team and also, none of us are above sticking in a zinger or two just to get goat of another poster...Or maybe that's just me..:)..

Hospo


Fri Aug 5 2016 4:49 pm EST

HOSPO: just to be clear we are actually pointing to the eye test and I'm just looking at the math and speculating. We are both correct in the sense that I truly do believe the PK cost them dearly. But you're trying to input what we've seen on the ice. I cannot disagree unless we started looking at some advanced stats and see where things are. But that'll give me a migraine. But I do think the moribund PK might have cost them In the range of 6-10 points in a number pulled out of my ass. But I also think they jumped on teams early on and settled back into being a pretty average to slightly above team down the stretch. And of course we've seen the opposite in teams like PIT who weren't very good early on but sizzled into the playoffs as the best team in the NHL. Not that it negates the desire to grab points early on. Points in October are certainly easier to come by then March.

E


Fri Aug 5 2016 4:10 pm EST

Hospo - Just to be clear...because there's a sniper here who seems to think otherwise and likes going on unprovoked tirades about on the subject...I'm just a fan with an opinion. Never billed myself as an insider, a coach, or pundit...or that I'm always right or that I have any better or different information than anyone else that watches the Rangers or the Pack with their own eyes...I'm a guy lives and breathes hockey...specifically when it's the Rangers...my opinions are based on my experience playing and watching the sport I love...My opinions have been on the money before, but they've also been dead wrong. I don't keep a running tally because frankly I don't give a flying fuck...There are plenty of people here who seem to have a running tally of right and wrong and a really twisted idea that I'm somehow coming here to tell everyone their opinion doesn't matter and only mine does...Sorry, but that's not true...I may disagree with you --which I do...very often --and when I do, I don't see why I can't tell you that without clarifying each and every statement I make with JMO or JMHO or flat-out calling it my opiion. For fucks sake, I've been on this bored since 1998(maybe earlier) and I should hope you KNOW what I say is my opinion...it's a fan board! They're ALL opinions! The only thing I sort of expect is that if someone HAS an opinion, they make a case for it. I try to make a case for mine and if you take that as me preaching to you, then I apologize.

tdchi


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:47 pm EST

E - Agree 100 percent. We shall see. I really do think the two-pronged problem with the team last year was the PK and the right-side defense. On paper, the PK looks like it'll be much quicker and better...it's why I love the addition of Grabner....and why I think Gerbe is a good pickup too...And if, in fact, they can get Girardi to be even three quarters of what he once was, I think we'll see a much better team.

tdchi


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:43 pm EST

E - I really think people like you under-estimate how bad the Rangers were for most of the year last year.....AFter, the first 18 games, I think they were exactly .500...And how poorly they played in all facets, with the 4th lineas the only decent line, from the deadline on.......Yes, improving the PK will help but there is so much else wrong....They were bottom 5 in the league in possession (I think)..Bottom 10 in SOG allowed (Ithink)..Bottom 10 in FOs....They were dead last in the league in PP opportunities becasue they rarely had the puck or beat the other team to it...The lines were a mess all year...The two highest scoring D-men are gone, production to be replaced by who? Mcilrath? Holden?..Andthat's just the tip ofthe iceberg...Again, it's ALL up to giant leaps by Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Ziba, Buch, Skeji. etc...andthe caoching of AV..I'm not holding my breath on either..

Hospo


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:34 pm EST

TDCH - Oh, I get it, if people have the audacity to disagree with you, they hate the team???....WHy don't you try some tolerance and open-mindedness..You ain't the only personon here with avalid opinion..,,,......Really withthe "prove the naysayers wrong" ? To go along with the "chip on the shoulders"rigamaroile?.....How many bullshit cliches are gonna be thrown around by people trying so hard to make the Rangers good....Look, It all comes down to talent , coaching and chemistry....This is a team that can make the POs but it is also a team that will have to fight for it...last year they didn't have the chemistry, heart or guts to do anything from the deadline on....Alot of that was due to the piss poor job done by the coach who failed to generate any chemistry and any cohesion all freaking year.....The changes have been minimal, the coach is still here...Why should it change.?...NOt impossible that it does, but we shall see...And any Ranger success depends on obtaining a half-decent offensive d-man for a mediocre Power play and HUGE steps forward by ALOT of young players,,,,Again, not impossible..but also highly unlikely that they ALL do it or that AV can coach it out of them

Hospo


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:21 pm EST

TD: most important point. The PK failed. Take last seasons team with its 26th ranked PK and move it back to its top-5 form and how many points does that generate in the standings? Changes the complexion of everything. All we do know is that the NYR are historically very comfortable with a one goal lead. Get that back and a lot of things look better. And then they can start talking about offense from the blue line. The next weakness.

E


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:12 pm EST

TD: Your arguments have merit but IMO, the problems last year, other than the stupid PK, wasn't talent - it was chemistry and leadership (and the 2 are always intertwined). For me, that's not been addressed. I like McD and believe him to be a fine d-man worthy of top pairing minutes, but as a captain so far I'm not overly impressed. Maybe Kreider will finally take that anticipated big next step and maybe Buch will be in the running for rookie of the honours. Those 2 scenarios would go a long way towards lifting this team. They are big maybes, however.

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:07 pm EST

And another key point: This team seems to play it's best when everyone thinks they suck. There are going to be plenty of naysayers in the media that are going to pack it in for the Rangers...they're not going to be a team anyone picks for the cup...just like back in 2012-2013...

tdchi


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:05 pm EST

stevie: Very true. As of today, the same core is back, minus arguably their most productive PO forward from a scoring standpoint - why should we expect a big reversal from last year? It's quite clear now that MSL played a big role in that department, even if he wasn't producing on the ice. Where is MSL II?

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 3:05 pm EST

RF- I underestimated the Pens. What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?! I still don't think the Rangers were some trainwreck of a team. They got beaten by the cup winner...My few points are that 1. The Rangers weren't nearly as bad as some of their play down the stretch suggested...painfully inconsistent, yes...but bad? Last year's team beat some of the top teams in the league handily during the regular season. That doesn't mean much, I know...but it does tell you something; 2. That a Rangers team with an effective penalty kill would have been far more dangerous than what we saw down the stretch. Simply put, you can't win consistently --the Rangers' problem --if you don't have at least adequate special teams. They played very good hockey for stretches of a game and then boom...PK failed. 3. The Rangers have taken great strides in correcting the PK. Despite how some my see GRABNER, he's an instant upgrade over what was there before. Plus GERBE gives them actually a pretty good first unit that will prevent them from having to trot NASH, who despite what the media says, is NOT a PKer, and STEPAN out as their first unit. Or the aging Dom MOORE as their second unit with ____(fill in the blank). 4. They've improved up the middle by acquiring ZIBANAJED, who, while not the playmaker BRASSARD is/was, is a tougher center that will give them another dimension in the middle and a better faceoff man in their top six. 5. They're adding a very talented kid to the mix in BUCHNEVICH. And while I won't pin the season's hope on him, his addition will also raise the skill level of the Rangers. And lastly, 6. The defense is better. I don't agree with many here on the veracity of YANDLE'S back-line play(he sucked balls)...but one undeniable fact is that we no longer have Dan BOYLE sucking up ice time back there. No matter your thoughts on the former, the departure of the latter is a major addition by subtraction. You could put a traffic cone out there and the team would be better off...soooooo....while we haven't landed a KESSEL-like deal or had a flashy off-season like...say...the Habs...this team is as good or better than last year's squad. I'd argue the latter.

tdchi


Fri Aug 5 2016 2:33 pm EST

curly joe

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 2:14 pm EST

Shemp?

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 1:59 pm EST

rf4l if they were really aware they would have traded yandle at the deadline. and probably would have still made the playoffs . it's pretty obvious they weren't sure what was wrong.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 1:55 pm EST

TD: We'll see. I seem to recall you vehemently predicting the demise of the Penguins all PO long, starting with the Rangers despite that fact that the Rangers had played ineffectively for about 2/3s of the season. Hell even management recognized there's a serious problem and went public with the proclamation that big changes were looming. As I said, the Brassard for Z deal is a good one, but it's done little to address what appears to be a big problem with leadership and style. I am not predicting a lottery spot finish but I see no reason to expect anything more than a PO dogfight year for this team.

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 1:52 pm EST

state of the nyr tbd by Christmas..or game 41.....I doubt Hank would ask for a trade, maybe they will approached him , and then he'd probably would say no. ...and who would be replacing him ?.....moe, larry, or curly?.......

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 1:44 pm EST

The Rangers have one player over the age of 33...five players over 30...a captain who is 27...and they're on the way down? Explain that to me please. I dig it, some of you hate this team for whatever reason. And admittedly, last season was a major disappointment...but window closing...on their way down....man...it's all so melodramatic. Team has issues, sure. But so do 28 other teams that didn't win the cup last year.

tdchi


Fri Aug 5 2016 12:49 pm EST

evets: Ha - I started musing about the King to Dallas a few months ago. Why? Because it makes sense. The Rangers are on their way down, the King is ridiculously competitive and desperately wants a cup (so we're led to believe anyways) and Dallas is a excellent young club on the rise that really has one glaring need which the King would address. Yes, there are complications, the biggest one being (I suspect) Gorther and company refusing to acknowledge to themselves that they are their way down and a retool will only serve to sustain mediocrity. The other 2 are the King's NMC, his massive salary and advancing years. I suspect he's got perhaps 2 to 3 more years at the level we're accustom to seeing and even that may be generous. Therefore, if such a deal is to happen it's gotta occur, I suspect, between now and sometime next summer. Of course it's possible the Rangers will right themselves somehow (with the same leadership core and head coach, I am having a hard time believing that) and/or the Stars will address that need elsewhere (Ben Bishop for example). What would be annoying is to see the Stars acquire Bishop and then the Rangers have a crappy season. If the latter happens, the King's contract could become an albatross....

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 12:08 pm EST

I wonder if this is the year if the Rangers are way out of the playoff picture at trade deadline time if Hank gets traded to a contenter with a question mark in goal? Do the Rangers approach Hank or is it the other way around? Is winning a cup more important to him then retiring as a Ranger?

tlats


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:59 am EST

I realize that Lundqvist is north of 30 and it's a fair thing to wonder how far he will go but I think he is very much cut from that cloth that Hasek and Broduer were. That is, they are students of the game and will adapt their style to the abilities of their bodies. I could easily see Lundqvist giving another 3-5 seasons of high level hockey. And that assumes he can stay healthy. But I'm far less concerned about Lundqvist the player as I am concerned about his salary and where the team will be during that time.

E


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:45 am EST

E... fair points. I guess when it comes to Lundqvist, I think we have to acknowledge that he isn't getting any better and that his play will slowly drop off. He will probably be a very good and competitive goalie for the rest of his contract based on his drive and work ethic. However, the game has changed and continues to evolve. I guess modern hockey has always been a young man's game, but it seems to be getting younger and younger and faster and faster and with Staal and Girardi on the back end (as much as I like them both), I just don't see them being serious contenders any more. I don't see them beating Tampa or Washington and if they aren't going to win the Stanley Cup now, I'd rather see them position themselves to contend in the near future.

evets1980


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:38 am EST

FRED - STALBERG almost has Grabner;s speed...Admit Grabner is better on the PK, but STALBERG is better everywhere else...SHould have kept Stalberg...eh, they are all fourth liners anyway I guess

Hospo


Fri Aug 5 2016 11:36 am EST

Evets: no trade clauses aside I really don't think it's up to the NYR. It's up to Lundqvist. If the window is closed and I'm not convinced it really is. Why? Because it's August and we haven't seen the NYR play. So, I might feel different if I looked at their roster and they looked like Vancouver that is obviously going nowhere fast. But that's not what they look like. No team coming off of a +100 point season 1-season removed from 2-ECF and a SCF can make that assertion with absolute certainty. Especially when the team is essentially the same team in terms of its core. They were beat handily by PIT but they also won the cup. And so I'm not litigating the capability of the team and im not suggesting that they are a great team. I just don't know. It looks like a team on the downside but there is still a lot to be bullish about. Especially this time of year. And we don't even know if this is the final depth chart before the puck even drops to start the season. Personally, I'd love to trade Lundqvist. I do think he'd yield a great return and I'm also of the belief based on watching the past few cup winners. And I think Outside of Quick I haven't seen unstoppable goalies of such elite pedigree a prerequisite to win. You need a hot goalie, and a team playing to their potential. Dallas hasn't gotten goaltending. And that's an issue. And for sure if they had Lundqvist I'd consider them a far and away favorite to win a cup on paper. But even then...

E


Fri Aug 5 2016 10:33 am EST

Take it for what it's worth.... I was listening to NHL Radio on XM this morning and they were talking about predictions as to who is going to win the Stanley Cup next year. One of the commentators said that if Dallas can solve their goaltending issues, that they are a major contender for the cup. During that discussion the Rangers and Henrik Lundqvist came up. The commentator said that the Rangers window is all but closed and that he sees the Rangers moving Lundqvist in the next two years. He also stated that the Stars currently have $8.3 million in cap space. I truly think the Rangers need to try to move Lundqvist now. He is absolutely the missing piece in Dallas and would bring a nice package back. We'd have to take back one of their goalies, preferably Niemi who has a $4.5 million cap hit for the next two years but if we had to take back Lehtonen ($5.9 mil for the same term) to get a better package back, I'd do it. Additionally, we'd probably be able to get Nichushkin, one of their young roster d-men in Oleksiak/Nemeth/Johns, a prospect like Brett Ritchie/Devin Shore/Julius Honka and a first rounder. The fact of the matter is that, with the improvement of other teams in the eastern conference, and as currently constructed, the Rangers are a bubble team at best. Sadly, I don't think the Rangers brass believes this and will continue to go for it with Lundqvist now.

evets1980


Fri Aug 5 2016 10:31 am EST

Speaking of Cap: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-kris-russell-left-waiting-as-teams-look-to-open-up-cap-space/

mf


Fri Aug 5 2016 9:49 am EST

RF4L- Still take young players for example. Most take best player available or need at the moment, and then it takes 4-6 years at least before the kid is ready. At this point, it seems more unlkely than likely that a kid actually is a great fit for his team. Still how many 22 y/o are traded for each other? How many teams trade a 22 y/o center for a 22 y/o defender, just because they need the defender more? There are just so very few hockey trades made. You can still make dollar for dollar trades. And I mean teams can for sure still have room for UFA's, is there really that few teams that can afford to take on dollar in trades? Just made a fast count at ESPN's trade tracker for 14-15, seems like 66 trades where made. Sooo many of those trades are more or less minor league trades. Or 4th lineers moved. Than you have a huge chunk of dumps made by teams out of the POs at the deadline. Being VERY GENEROUS, one can claim that 5 hockey trades where made in the sense that one team traded a player in one mold for another player in that mold (be it with different abilities or playing a different position, but not like a 19 y/o for a 30 y/o or pick for players). Not teams trading to be UFAs for younger players with term. The Cap certainly doesn't help, but its not reasonable to blame the fact that only 5 player for players trade was made on that.

Ola


Fri Aug 5 2016 9:22 am EST

Ola: All good points but IMO the single biggest reason is the cap. Too many teams are up against the cap and they simply have no flexibility as a result. In the past deals were primarily based on talent going back and forth. Of course, that's still the primary factor in most deals today, but managing the cap impact has added another very complicated and very limiting parameter. It's taken away from the entertainment of the game overall IMO.

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 9:12 am EST

Newman- Don't hold your breath. This is why their are few trades in the NHL: 1. A GM has a great job and want to keep it. 2. A GM making a trade exposes himself. Nothing, and I mean nothing, stand out as much as a bad trade. Well maybe the insane UFA signing, but besides that... 3. If you as a GM do "nothing", you can keep your job a very long time. It is very easy to sell a "story" of how promising future a team has. There are 30 teams in this league, 1 can win the Cup. But spend a few minutes reading up about the status of each team and for like 28 of them, things look soooo great. Its a true head in the sand mentality to be honest. 4. The people controlling the team is hands-off most of the time in the NHL, they let the president/GM sell this story of how things are looking so great without calling the bluff. The result is that EXTREMELY FEW trades are made in the NHL. Put McKinsly or some professional firm like that on the task of evaluating how many trades a NHL team should make on avg per year lol. Take 10 people and 10 puzzles, put all pieces in a big pile on the floor and mix them up and divide them on the 10 people. How can finish their puzzle first? In the NHL, nobody would trade pieces with each other... How many "real" trades are made per team and season? 0.5? 1?

Ola


Fri Aug 5 2016 9:02 am EST

Newman: I hope so, but I'm skeptical on that. It's not like Vesey is Steven Stamkos - all the hype around him was similar IMO and ended up being much to do about nothing.

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 8:37 am EST

RF4L: something tells me that 8/15 'Vesey Signing Day' will start some trade activity. Any of the teams hoping to sign this guy need to sign him first or lose out on him to then determine their next moves. If we sign him, I'm sure we would guarantee a top 9 or top 6 role & that would necessitate someone moving out (perhaps Nash - though I wouldn't agree with that). Personally, I think taking a flyer on a one year deal with Wisniewski wouldn't be a bad idea before 8/15....

Newman


Fri Aug 5 2016 8:23 am EST

BTW, these might be doggiest days ever...all the talk when the team broke up after getting ousted by the Pens about breaking up the core, making real change, blah blah blah and while I like the Brassard for Z trade very much, the core is still basically untouched. IMO, Gorther still has plenty of work to do - when will he get to it?

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 8:01 am EST

mfred but he's probably better than gerbe baby II......definitely taller.....unfortunately no one knows why except fishboy and his lame duck coach....they just might be over retooling.....to compensate for weeknow who probably threw most of his roster under the bus to cover his own gum chewing fat ass.....I prefer more continuity and chemistry from 1 season to another .... not throwing out the baby with the dirty bath water...stalberg seemed to fit in and did his job most nights....instead it's back to a work in progress bs .....with probably a whole new 4th line.....hopefully an improvement not a rearranging the chairs .....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 7:25 am EST

Stevie.....Stalberg does not have Grabners speed which will be disruptive....and Grabner will significantly upgrade the PK.

MelvilleFred


Fri Aug 5 2016 7:23 am EST

FWIW I am hoping Vesey surprises me and signs with the Rangers, He sounds like a legitimate prospect and the Rangers need exactly that given all the high picks Sather traded away like dime store candy. I just don't think he will and suspect the Rangers were never really in his plans. Like it or not, the Rangers are a team on the downturn - why no sign with a team moving up? Is the lure of being in NYC that intoxicating??

RF4L


Fri Aug 5 2016 7:16 am EST

JFC - No offense, but then you haven't been reading.

tdchi


Fri Aug 5 2016 6:06 am EST

wonder why they didn't resign stalberg for 1.5 ? to answer my own question, probably because of their cap mess.

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 6:01 am EST

the nyr will go hard for vescey because of how they have traded away picks. Instead they go after guys like him to make up for that.

stevielegs


Fri Aug 5 2016 12:20 am EST

RHET - WHo cares about Carl Hagelin? He wasn't on last years team...OTOH, Stalberg was...ANd he scored just as many goals, had mor points, had more SOG than Grabner in less games and 2 less minutes of average TOI..And he was more physical and better defensively..Stalberg over Grabner easily.......And not that it matters, grabner couldn't hold Hagelin's jock last year..........As for FOs, you are right, we weren't great last year but DOM MOORE, though slipping, was our best and then we brought STAAL in at Deadline and he was our 2nd best as the team stood at the end.....BOTH GONE..The FO ability of the current group outside of ZIBA is atrocious, especially STEP and HAYES, who will be on ice ALOT.....The only possibility of improvement is if MAXIM LAPERIERRE is your 4th C...

Hospo


Thu Aug 4 2016 10:11 pm EST

Funny, I don't see the Vesey talk as over-hyped or see people talking about him like he's some kind of star.....where is that coming from? Who's saying he's a future star? No one here that I've read and not anyone in the press. No, what I've read is that the kid won't sign....not even with Buffalo who sacrificed for a chance to get first chance. The conjecture about the Rangers seems to make sense.....Gorton is close to,people in Vesey's circle, Hayes is a friend of Vesey, Hayes was in exactly the same position and the Rangers gave him mucho ice time. So why not think there's a chance to get a good, solid player who,was voted the best college hockey player in the U.S. If I'm wrong, please feel free to point me to the "Vesey is a future Rangers star" chatter and authors.

JFC31


Thu Aug 4 2016 9:09 pm EST

They lost Moore. Once upon a time you could put out Boyle and Moore as a pair on key defensive zone draws and you'd feel confident. Now? Lindberg? Hayes? Yuck yuck and more yuck.

E


Thu Aug 4 2016 8:08 pm EST

Hospo.... I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Grabner is in the same class as Hageling, how exactly is he a step down from Stalberg? Also, who did we lose that our F/O % is now worse(Z-bad and Brass are pretty much a wash)?

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 4 2016 6:00 pm EST

Yeah, I don't know what the answer is on the draw. Clearly, it's an issue if we base it on history. But, for as important as a faceoff is, a bottom of the barrel PK cost the NYR big time last season. They just couldn't hold a lead if the went short handed. When I look at the playoffs and even strength vs. special teams offense it's so apparent that one of the biggest reason that the NYR were bounced was an abysmal PK. And let's not forget what playing on your heals does once you do beat back the penalty. Very easy to be hemmed in losing all momentum. Being able to solidly reject someone's attempts to setup and organize a PP, brings you out of the box with energy and momentum. Especially as the other team goes to their 3-4 lines to spell their top guys.

E


Thu Aug 4 2016 5:42 pm EST

E - They might be....I guess they can kill penalties..but so can alot of players on the team..of the strategy is correct......and GERBE pretty much sucked anytime else..while Grabner is OK but a step down for Stalberg outside the PK...But perhaps we'll just be swapping the PK for FO ability and puck possession as the glaring weakness..As we have nobody after ZIba that is even quasi-worthwhile on FOs..unless Talbot is the 4th C, which is a possibility given the meager alternatives..

Hospo


Thu Aug 4 2016 4:18 pm EST

Bill Peters is on NHL XM. Interesting comment from him. Nathan Gerbe for the last 2-seasons was a huge part of their PK. Felt that someone was gonna have to step into that role and be effective. Seemed to think that Gerbe was pretty crucial on special teams. So FWTIW. Hopefully, with Gerbe and Grabner the New York Rangers PK woes are behind them.

E


Thu Aug 4 2016 3:04 pm EST

Bob – Disagree: TROUBA. Kid is gonna be a star…Only reason his numbers are off is that he’s been saddled with Mark Stuart…Don’t think the Rangers would have to give up a king’s ransom for him either. Skjei is nice, but if you have faith in Graves coming to NYC soon…well…something’s got to give on the left…and Kreider…wouldn’t want to move him…but if it were to come to pass, then I’d much rather it be for a young guy who is up-and-coming(see: Zibanajed), not an established player who is already at his ceiling(see Rick Nash)…And if you’re moving both those guys, you better believe that something is coming back with Trouba…But the long and the short? I have about as much faith that the Rangers will deal for Trouba as I do they’ll sign Vesey. And that’s none at all. He’s just a player I could see helping this team out in a major way.

tdchi


Thu Aug 4 2016 2:52 pm EST

Every summer there’s a rumor about someone like Vesey. Last year, it was Mike Reilly. The year before, Kevin Hayes. There was Justin Schultz, Dan DeKeyuser…hell, even Matt Gilroy. Media is bored. There’s no teams doing anything right now, save for wrapping up outstanding contracts...And let’s get down to brass tacks: Vesey isn’t exactly a superstar-in-waiting…he ain’t Johnny Gaudreau or Jack Eichel, kids who just exuded star power in the NCAA…seems like a strong, two-way player with an offensive upside…someone who CAN hop into the NHL…but future star? I don’t know about that…but I’m not sure I’d even put him on the level of player Hayes was when he went on the market. Rangers are obviously always in the hunt for these players because of the dearth of first and second rounders this past four years…but are they banking on Vesey? No f’in way. My only thought is that they may wait for him to sign to let the other shoe drop on some other moves they have planned…but I’m not even sure about that…if he falls into their lap, then bonus. Otherwise? Who cares.

tdchi


Thu Aug 4 2016 2:13 pm EST

I would be shocked if Vesey ends up with the Rangers.

Bob


Thu Aug 4 2016 1:56 pm EST

RF: I don't know at all what his plans are. He has now been connected to virtually every team in the NHL. I do know that he is a potentially good player. I don't think he's a great player by some of the things I've heard on XM NHL. A 25-30 goal scorer with good skillset and a good sense for 2-way play. So I think he's likely not gonna match that hype but the New York Rangers do need depth so he could be a good fit.

E


Thu Aug 4 2016 1:42 pm EST

The Vesey pining is not dissimilar to the Stamkos pining we saw in June. It reached a feverish pitch once the ability to take to pending UFA was reached and in the end, he didn't become a NYR, contrary to what some clearly expected to happen. I see little reason to anticipate that Vesey made his mind up a while ago and the Rangers are NOT where he wants to go.

RF4L


Thu Aug 4 2016 1:42 pm EST

non-hockey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QQsEJFgPwY

mf


Thu Aug 4 2016 1:40 pm EST

Ranger47: Continually trading away top picks will do that to an organization!

RF4L


Thu Aug 4 2016 1:36 pm EST

cruising? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5GciwTCeFw

mf


Thu Aug 4 2016 1:02 pm EST

I don't really know how crazy the New York Rangers are for Vesey. I know the media is and I know fans are. I wonder how much of that is just inside the echo chamber. I think fans want a splash especially after a relatively ho-hum summer.

E


Thu Aug 4 2016 10:22 am EST

Been cruising by every day but not posting much. I'm thinking any trade that gets made is gonna wait until after Aug. 15. Seems Rangers want Vesey badly and think very highly of him. Signing him will open the trade gates once again. Also agree about Ristolainen being a pipe dream.....the kid is an absolute stud. Young, talented, big, great skater and is ready to have a breakout year. Buffalo would have to be CRAZY to let this kid go.

JFC31


Thu Aug 4 2016 9:54 am EST

Bob: I'm with you on not being convinced Trouba is worth a ransom. However, we all too often spend big bucks to get vets on their downside. But to win in today's cap world you need to be able to build a team where you get them cheap before they take off and peak. Not something we've been able to do really well in the recent past...

Ranger47


Thu Aug 4 2016 8:26 am EST

Not convinced on the Shattenkirk-Nash rumors. I think beat writers are bored and it is August. I am also not convinced that Jacob Trouba is all that and no way I would give up a ransom for the guy. Let him play at a spot higher than # 5 or 6 before he is anointed as Shea Weber Jr.

Bob


Thu Aug 4 2016 8:25 am EST

rf if fishboy is working on the deal to make it good for the nyr, let him take his time.

stevielegs


Thu Aug 4 2016 7:45 am EST

My God if there's truth to those Nash/Shittenkirk rumours, then just get it freakin' done. Just how long is this idiocy supposed to last anyways??

RF4L


Thu Aug 4 2016 6:50 am EST

The Hockey News............Rumor roundup...................Nash for Shattenkirk trade heating up ?

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Aug 3 2016 6:09 pm EST

E - I don't disagree. But with TROUBA, it's not a matter of if. It's when. That kid has all the goods to be an all-star. He and McD would be our Seabrook and Keith. I'd hate to lose someone like KRIEDER, though I'm pretty certain he's nearing his ceiling. And SKJEI...well, he's cheap fast and good...but you gotta give to get and the Jets are actually a pretty good trading partner. They got a boatload of talent and three D that are already making a tin of money. They're trying to stay young and tough...that kind of a swap would work out well for both teams, IMO. Because one thing the Rangers do need to do very soon is find a spot for BUCHNEVICH...if you're putting him on third or fourth line, you might as well put him in Hartford...and from the sounds of it, the Rangers are interested in doing that...making matters even more interesting is the VESEY sweepstakes...even taking for granted they do start Buch lower in the lineup, they ain't going to sign Vesey unless they can guarantee a top 6 position is his to lose in camp...I mean, I'm kind of thinking he already has his mind made up to sign in Boston or Toronto...both of which could give him a top six position...but in the event he doesn't go there...well, he already spurned and offer from the Preds to skate in that capacity...soooo...I still thin the Rangers are going to move another from their top six. Getting a guy like TROUBA would make a lot of sense on a lot of levels, even if it meant sacrificing THEKrieder.

tdchi


Wed Aug 3 2016 4:29 pm EST

Hospo to answer you tough guy coach observation. I forget who said it, might have been Fotiu. The reason they are good coaches is because they spend more time on the bench and more time to observe the coaches in action. Or something pretty damn close to that

ref24


Wed Aug 3 2016 3:47 pm EST

Hospo- They need the money and can never leave the game. That break for 3/5/10 years the stars take after retiring hurt their chances to coach a lot.

Ola


Wed Aug 3 2016 3:30 pm EST

E - Still disagree, I've seen the upward trend in almost all of Kreider's game, the problem is, it hasn't been in that last few seconds/second when he has done all the work to put himself free and clear and then has to make the right choice/shot...WIll he ever figure it out?...law of averages says he will...at least for periods of time....Guys like that take over games....Guys like MIller contribute (and lead) a team to victory,,,,LIke You, I hope both keep improving

Hospo


Wed Aug 3 2016 3:28 pm EST

mf... with all due respect, there is NO CHANCE that Buffalo will even entertain the thought of trading Ristolainen. The kid is a stud. 21 year old, right shot defenseman with a cannon of a shot. 41 points last year. He is well on his way to being an elite # 1 defenseman in this league. The Rangers don't have what it takes to trade for a guy like that. Look at what it took to get Adam Larsson from the Devils. It would take more than that to get Ristolainen.

evets1980


Wed Aug 3 2016 3:10 pm EST

If memory serves correctly, Minny could use a RHS D'man (Girardi?) & some cap relief. we can offer both.....

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 3:03 pm EST

Oh, I really like Niño. Reminds me a little of a less ornery Corey Perry. But he could be a great player if he elevates.

E


Wed Aug 3 2016 2:58 pm EST

E: "El Nino" ... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7925

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 2:48 pm EST

For sure, Chris Krieder could become a force of nature if he could put it together consistently. I rate JT higher because he is becoming more consistent, progressing quicker and becoming a more reliable player. I don't see that same upward trend in Chris Krieder. All the potential, says the right things but I think his hands are average, his IQ is okay. We'll see what happens. I'm not keen on parting with either. These are the kinds of players I covet. Big, strong, fast, snarl.

E


Wed Aug 3 2016 1:29 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jets-trouba-still-cant-agree-on-money-term-but-usage-concerns-stand-out-most/

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 1:06 pm EST

Keith McCambridge (former @ManitobaMoose HC) to join @WolfPackAHL as assistant coach--taking ovef for Beuke..........Amazing how so many of the coaches in the NHL/AHL were former grinders/tough guys....Guess they had to learn the game better just to stay afloat..

Hospo


Wed Aug 3 2016 1:00 pm EST

E - I wouldn't go as far as saying MILLER is a better player than Krieder..I would just say different player...Both are poised to take a huge step this year and both need to.....It won't come from lack of effort on either but..we'll see.....The thing is, if Kreider and Miller can max out, Kreider is almost a singular beast, there are very few players like him..MILLER is more of a protypical all around NHL player..However, the fact that there are very few players like Kreider destroying the NHL argues agasint him becoming THAT good...The opposite for MILLER..But, you never know..EACH player is different

Hospo


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:49 pm EST

Just in from the TRAD-ER-ATOR, …..NASH / GIRARDI / GERBE (or something) & we retain some salary for KANE / RISTOLAINEN / and the negotiating rights for VESEY……

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:45 pm EST

Evander Kanes stock takes a downtick, Gorton should use this to pry RISTOLAINEN away from Beefalo... Certainly something to consider when evaluating trade possibilities between Shattenkirk / TROUBA / RISTOLAINEN ..... jmo naturally ..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/lawsuit-filed-against-evander-kane-in-connection-to-december-assault-allegations/

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:34 pm EST

Now: If we land VESEY, it makes more sense to consider whether moving Nash for something other than a forward is the best hand to play...... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-a-closer-look-at-a-potential-nash-for-shattenkirk-trade/

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:27 pm EST

Kleins a keeper...... Move Staal too....

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:26 pm EST

Colorado........if we still had Talbot , I'd get rid of ALL five !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:13 pm EST

Also, I was looking at the age of our roster. I can't remember the last time we had so few 30+ guys on the roster. NASH, GLASS, GIRARDI, KLEIN, LUNDQVIST. Not bad. OF course I'd like it if we subtracted two from that list, but I won't name names!

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 3 2016 12:09 pm EST

I read that article about "Da Beauty League" in Minnesota, a summer 4-on-4 league. What is cool is that McDonagh drafted all the Rangers guys on his team. I was excited that Skjei was 4th in scoring in the league. But then I saw who is the league leader: STU BICKEl and I quickly came back down to earth. I used to play in one of those leagues in PEI when I was still playing in college and minor pro and it was a bit of a joke, but very fun. Our stars were guys like Jason "Frenchie" Macdonald (who played his one NHL game for the Rangers) and a bunch of minor league guys. As a goalie, it was brutal. The league leader in GAA in Da Beauty is something like 4.6! Anyway, I was sad to see Brad Richards retire, but he had a great career. It was nice that a few on here had nice things to say about him.

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 3 2016 11:50 am EST

If Kreider parked himself within a 10 foot radius of the goal mouth wacking at rebounds, he doesn't need the greatest hands.....

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 11:48 am EST

A few things: Rhet, thanks for posting the two links because they are pertinent to the topic at hand. First, just 12 days until teams other than Buffalo (read: Rangers) can begin to negotiate with VESEY……. I think this is worth some attention because if Gorton & Co. can reel him in and are going to pull the trigger on an additional trade or trades, it begs the question/s is he going to use his best TRUMP cards to land a Forward or Defenseman as his next trade??? Signing VESEY should enable Gorton to trade for a more talented player, as he will have the option of trading away better talent…… Brady Skjei looks like he is the real deal, there is no way I would move this kid until we witness the upper echelons of his talent level in the big league, especially at the current cap hit. I think our LHS defensive depth is solid for a long time and is the current foundation of the team, so much so that we need to move Staal……………. A question & thought from the “”TRDE-AWAY-TOR”” …. Is Nash’s refusal to be traded to a Canadian team all about the weaker Canadian Dollar?? If Yes, what would it cost us if we were to buy him out and have a Canadian team have an offer in place which compensated to the extent that he would receive the same money in today’s dollars??? This would all be wrapped in a preconceived trade….. Nash would get his dollars, we would receive compensation for him, and could use his protected spot for this year’s expansion draft on another player… Would Nash then accept a trade to Winnipeg with TROUBA coming our way???

mf


Wed Aug 3 2016 11:48 am EST

TD: I think JT is a better player then CK. He hides behind CK because he doesn't have the strength reputation and isn't as fast although he's pretty damn quick, but I think CK has average hands but JT has nasty whip in his stick. I think CK can be a 30-35 goal scorer hopefully soon but I think JT is gonna be a 30-goal threshold player this coming season.

E


Wed Aug 3 2016 11:18 am EST

RF4L - Oddly enough, I would...I wouldn't want to lose either player, but this would be a situation where the Rangers could give a lot to get even more. Both SKJEI and KREIDER are dynamic players, but I'm not convinced that either will ever command star power. We have BUCHNEVICH who is coming up on the wing and will, I suspect, command a top-six position in short order. I also don't think we've seen all that MILLER will offer...again...would hate to lose Krieder...but I would do that deal...I would want a prospect back...I'd try to grab LEMIEUX personally...he'd help compensate for some of the snarl lost in Kreider...but yes...I feel that strongly about TROUBA.

tdchi


Wed Aug 3 2016 10:58 am EST

Trouba has no leverage and as much as I like him as a player he would cost a fortune to obtain. But I think he definitely can carry that "franchise defenseman" label well.

E


Wed Aug 3 2016 10:50 am EST

TD: Suspect Trouba will cost something like Kreider and Skeji. Are you willing to do that?

RF4L


Wed Aug 3 2016 10:26 am EST

STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT! I know it may seem presumptuous for a young 22-year-old defender to be calling the shots like TROUBA apparently is with the Jets, but this kid is worth it. Well worth it...I'm a little surprised that the Jets kept BYFUGLIEN and went after MYERS knowing they had him in the system...Zero reason to have all three...What they need is help on the left...And I'd start to run down the lefties not named McDONAGH until one catches their fancy...and then see what else it's going to take...Trouba is a major reason the US won their last gold medal in the WJC U-20. He was on the squad with MILLER...Kid is a competitor...just driven...could end up being a Shea Weber-type player...and if Winnipeg can't realize that, then they deserve to lose him...Kid would be our top guy on the right immediately...A pairing of him and McDONAGH would be absolutely sick. Wouldn't even begin to speculate what it would take to get it done...I suggested maybe start with SKJEI and HAYES....even more ideal would be if they would take STAAL

tdchi


Wed Aug 3 2016 8:34 am EST

theScoreVerified account ‏@theScore ........ The Jets and Jacob Trouba are reportedly far apart on money, term and usage..... "Jacob Trouba doesn't want to play in the bottom pairing anymore," Lawless said. "He wants to play with Dustin Byfuglien or one of the other top four D in Winnipeg. He wants power-play time. He wants to be a big part of what they're doing in Winnipeg if he's going to be here for a long time."..... http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1069913-report-jets-trouba-far-apart-on-money-term-usage

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 2 2016 9:29 pm EST

New York Rangers: Brady Skjei Could Be A Star In The Making..... http://elitesportsny.com/2016/07/29/new-york-rangers-brady-skjei-could-be-a-star-in-the-making/ ......... New York Rangers: What Are Realistic Expectations For Jimmy Vesey? ..... http://elitesportsny.com/2016/08/02/new-york-rangers-what-are-realistic-expectations-for-jimmy-vesey/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 2 2016 8:50 pm EST

Proud Tarmo Reunanen Discusses Challenging Draft Year.... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/7/6/12060820/proud-reunanen-discusses-challenging-draft-year

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 2 2016 8:14 pm EST

Craziest shootout goal ever? .... https://www.instagram.com/p/BIkoz2ign92/

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 2 2016 5:30 pm EST

They aren't the best team in the NHL but I have seen Colorado play live a few times and they can be pretty sloppy but Duchene for his disappearing act from time to time when he is on? That guy flies. Like only a few notches slower then Hagelin and Karlsson speed. He's a guy that I think needs a fresh start somewhere but I think he's fun to watch.

E


Tue Aug 2 2016 5:29 pm EST

TDCHI - Two things we agree on! Landerskog would be a great addition and worthy of "give-to-get"......Agree on Kane ..We don't need a Giant Douche like him while we already have a turd sandwich like Hayes...

Hospo


Tue Aug 2 2016 5:17 pm EST

tdchi he sounds worse than that.....real anger issues....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 2 2016 4:10 pm EST

Re: Evander KANE...I don't think the guy has a substance/alcohol abuse issue as much as he has an "I'm a giant douche" issue. Ever since he came into the league, the guy has been doing things that have cast him in a negative light. The guy just sounds like a giant cocky scumbag.

tdchi


Tue Aug 2 2016 4:10 pm EST

Re: Evander KANE...I don't think the guy has a substance/alcohol abuse issue as much as he has an "I'm a giant douche" issue. Ever since he came into the league, the guy has been doing things that have cast him in a negative light. The guy just sounds like a giant cocky scumbag.

tdchi


Tue Aug 2 2016 4:05 pm EST

I know several folks here had some reservations about DUCHENE...but how about LANDESKOG? I still can't believe the Avalanche are offering him around, if in fact that's what they're doing...but man, having him and ZIBANAJED zipping up the ice...that would be one hell of a top line...

tdchi


Tue Aug 2 2016 3:29 pm EST

mf – I would GLEEFULLY take RISTOLANEN off the Sabres’ mitts. In fact, I’d probably take him over TROUBA…there’s only one problem: I really don’t see what the Rangers would trade them to get the guy. I mean if that HAD Trouba, the could probably package him with a prospect to get him…Or maybe if the Rangers had a young top-tier goalie…but I don’t see it happening…Risto is incredible. The guy is going to be a superstar IMO. I feel the same way about Trouba, but Risto is already there and Trouba has a few more laps to take before he gets there…thing with Trouba is that he wants to get paid now and Winnipeg seems reluctant to do that…I think it’s absolutely stupid…I’d give the kid a seven year contract for $5 million per now and let him feel like the dumbass when he’s scoring 50 points a season and getting paid like a schlub…but I digress…Trouba, I think, is the guy that can be acquired…and given that the Jets don’t seem all that high on him right now…and have both MYERS and BYFUGLIEN on the right…I bet he could be had somewhat cheaply. I’d discuss with them SKJEI or STAAL and maybe HAYES and see where that conversation goes…if they could land Troubs and, say ARMIA or Brendan LEMIEUX, I think the Rangers would land a coup.

tdchi


Tue Aug 2 2016 2:29 pm EST

moof parla italiano ? yiddish? bklynese? heblew i mean hebrew? ....it's a rough sport, with some head cases in it.....it's amazing more guys don't get cut by accident with those skate blades....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 2 2016 2:19 pm EST

SLegs; I've had enough of some of the players blatant disregard for one another's well being by head hunting... Love the rough hard hitting stuff but don't want to see profuse bleeding from skate wounds or anyone wheeled off paralyzed.... Capisce?

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 2:03 pm EST

moof you had enough head shots ?

stevielegs


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:59 pm EST

don't need head shots either.....

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:59 pm EST

Ditto on the fighting, don't need it.....

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:58 pm EST

E / Hospo: I believe that Shattenkirk / Nino Neidereitter / Kane qualify in the abrasive in your face category.....

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:42 pm EST

E - I'll gladly take some of those red-nosed players, just as long as you have one Yukon Cornelius riding shotgun (Mcilrath)...:)

Hospo


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:21 pm EST

Hospo, the age thing doesn't concern me as long as the player is not breaking down, and good Vet presence has a place on a team......

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:18 pm EST

Glass is waiver bait. He cleared last season and I wouldn't imagine that would change. Best to bury his ass in Hartford. If anyone feels strongly that they need a guy who can fight they have McIlrath who does double duty as an actual hockey player. Personally, I could care less if McIlrath ever fought again. Or anyone for that matter. I want hard charging, red-nosed players who take the body, play rough and tumble, and use it to constantly take time and space. If they have a New York Rangers team that doesn't give you the chance to admire your pass you're gonna win hockey games. That's my template for winning. Of course with such superb puck possession players like Girardi that game plan is gonna work great.

E


Tue Aug 2 2016 11:59 am EST

mf...............that's an old one..................still cute.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Aug 2 2016 11:46 am EST

But, we do agree that the coaching had alot to do with the defensive break down last year and needs to be changed...

Hospo


Tue Aug 2 2016 11:45 am EST

MF - Gotta disagree---Moore and VERMETTE is an erroneous comparison,,,,Yes, they are both good FO guys although Vermette is clearly better,....However, One has averaged 35-45 points a year over the last three years, plays alot of PP,(16 PPP last year which this team could use)..and the other has averaged 15-25 points over the last three years (and only 15 last year) and that's it ..I would gladly take the first option (Vermette) over anything the Rangers have on their roster for the bottom six C spot...And again, it's not about getting the younger player or the more experienced player, it's about getting tthe better player..It wouldn't even be close in this case..But, not happening, so a moof point....

Hospo


Tue Aug 2 2016 11:25 am EST

Hospo: IMO the breakdown of team defense can sit squarely on the shoulders of Coach AV........ As for exploiting an achilles heel in the Rangers Defense, a scouting report on the Rangers would conclude attack & or dump the puck to Girardi or Boyle and get on them quickly....... If we can move Giradi and Staal the new composition of the defense can be our bedrock..... "But will Coach Cold Soup A-Vishyssoise adapt?" je ne sais pas

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 11:13 am EST

Newf, I that de-Nile was in Egypt.......

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 11:12 am EST

Anyone here have an opinion about comparing TROUBA & RISTOLAINEN? On paper each guy looks good.. With Kane & his stellar public relations campaign back in the news, the situation calls for the question, "would Buffalo part with RISTOLAINEN in an attempt to unload KANE? A world of other questions also arise such as what do we have to offer in trade? Girardi & Nash for Kane / Ristolainen & what else from Buffalo's side? Will Girardi waive his NMC? Do we need to eat some salary? (if so, big deal) Will Napolean Buttman allow Kane a free pass? Do we then try to flip Kane back to his homeboy-town (did I really type that?) of Vancouver, who it has been written have expressed an interest in him? My mood du jour is leaning toward a youth movement in regards to replacing Nash & Girardi ($13.3mill combined folks) with RISTOLAINEN & KANE...... I'm still interested in moving T.Glass and not adverse to moving another 4th line type player even if it is someone we just signed....... JIRI HUDLER remains unsigned (perhaps for good reason) and do we really want DOM MOORE part deux in ANTOINNE VERMETTE or do we go younger with JOORIS or LINDBERG when he comes back?

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 10:46 am EST

STEVIE - The forwards can take ALOT of the blame...Not only did they refuse to play defense, cover their men, and back-check like in previous years, they barely held onto the puck..It was a constant chinese fire drill mongolian cluster fuck in our own end becasue of it...All our D got abused but especially the likes of Girardi, bOyle and Yandle...all three had a much harder time with the pressure becasue of their lack of speed (Girardi) and defesnive positioning (Ynadl and Boyle)...The D should be better this year, and it will help, but won't matter if it isn't a TEAM effort...Alot of it comes down to coaching

Hospo


Tue Aug 2 2016 10:28 am EST

mf..........and that's the sad part about this kid............cause as we all know....the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem ! he and that JERK , Johny Manzel should get together and buddy around together....................both living in a world of denial.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Aug 2 2016 10:23 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-barries-signing-sees-landeskog-duchene-back-in-rumor-mill/

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 10:20 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/evander-kane-pleads-not-guilty-to-charges-stemming-from-alleged-bar-incident/

mf


Tue Aug 2 2016 10:17 am EST

the forwards can take part of the blame, but if the d isn't doing their job the results will not improve. the system might be to easy for opponents to beat. it has to be played too perfect to be successful. maybe buek can beat it into weeknow. .....somebody needs to.....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 2 2016 8:06 am EST

tdchi playing 18 of 20 playoff games for bickell in the playoffs is the shape the nyr were and somewhat still are on d in the playoffs.

stevielegs


Tue Aug 2 2016 7:09 am EST

If VER-MEH can be signed for 2 years at $2 Mil per year then you have to sign him. I doubt that can be done but who knows........

Vic


Tue Aug 2 2016 12:38 am EST

BICKEL skated last year with Anaheim's farm team. Also remember, he was traded to the Rangers from Anaheim. The fact that cat skate 18 games in an NHL playoffs is still somewhat of a mystery to me...

tdchi


Mon Aug 1 2016 8:15 pm EST

The Bickell invite I think is all about Randy Carlyle. He likes belligerent physical teams who fight...

RF4L


Mon Aug 1 2016 7:46 pm EST

Per James Mirtle ‏@mirtle ..... Stu Bickel has a PTO with the Ducks. Spent last season with their AHL team. Probably going to be lot of tryouts again this year in camps.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 1 2016 7:20 pm EST

Antoine Vermette is a guy I wish we had gone after at the trade deadline over Eric Staal. We needed a 3rd line center. I would give him a 2-year team friendly deal, it would also give us more depth with which to make a trade. He also has to realize that he's not going to be given anything and has to make the team.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 1 2016 7:10 pm EST

Hospo he can probably be signed for $2 mil or less . Not a bad gamble ....he can replace your favorite nyr gabby purple lazy hazy ...as 3rd line center....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 7:07 pm EST

Moof it was about Nash going to St. Louis and the 2 Nd story was about troubadour . ... Toro toro....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 7:04 pm EST

SLegs: Was the conversation not about TROUBA? That's the U.S of Winnipeg?

mf


Mon Aug 1 2016 6:53 pm EST

Hospo - that was over a year ago. And I could easily turn that statement around to apply to someone who routinely discounts young players...

tdchi


Mon Aug 1 2016 6:42 pm EST

I find it amazing how you and others on here drool over prospect maybes and piss om a guy who scores 2 GWG in the Stanley Cup final and a team that wins the Cup..It's like winning the Cup oesn't matter, only prospects....Screw them in this case...As for VERMETTE on the RANGERS, love to have him on the 3rd or 4th line but only for a team friendly contract and short term...Don't see it happening but at least then we would have a C that can take and win FOs and fuel some possession time

Hospo


Mon Aug 1 2016 5:39 pm EST

E i'll take his cap hit if he scores 40 goals...and so would most teams.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 5:06 pm EST

For the sake of an imperfect argument I'd submit that when Shattenkirk ain't scoring his liabilities are hard to live with. And I do give players like him a long leash because the nature of their job. But when Nash isn't scoring he is just solid in all 3-zones in so many situations. If we were to bury the salary for a minute fans would think Nash is a heck of a hockey player. But alas as is consistent with my views in the offseason money matters to me and I'd love to ship him out to upgrade the team. But take the salary out and you do not have player who hurts your team. Dudes gotta go because for his cap hit you need 40-goal Nash. Not the other one.

E


Mon Aug 1 2016 3:47 pm EST

stevielegs - Yeah, I won't be crying when the chapter on NASH is closed...But I'm just not sold on SHATTY...as much as I have distaste for Nash...I just don't think the team would be better off...with Nash out and Shatty in...at best, I'd say they'd be about the same...and that's assuming they'd get similar production out of BUCHNEVICH in the top six...Then again, if they can expand the deal...maybe include KLEIN and bring in someone like SCHWARTZ or FABBRI...emphasis on the latter....I would be quick to oack Nash's bags. Oddly enough, that Spector's story says something to the effect of Nash making little sense because of both those guys on the left...which is strange too, because I thought Nash liked playing the right...but I digress...

tdchi


Mon Aug 1 2016 2:52 pm EST

moof last time i looked, st louis is not in Canada ....unless they crossed the border illegally....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 2:46 pm EST

ANTOINNE VERMETTE: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2130

mf


Mon Aug 1 2016 2:33 pm EST

SLegs: Nash said he would Not accept a trade to a Canadian team... Maybe its the healthcare. :-)

mf


Mon Aug 1 2016 2:26 pm EST

tdchi but that gets rid of Nash potatoes.....your dream.....just not sure who would replace him...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 2:24 pm EST

TD: Vermette played a significant role in the Hawks winning their last cup so no way was acquiring him foolish. He scored some huge goals for them in the POs.

RF4L


Mon Aug 1 2016 2:04 pm EST

re: stevieleg's link: Man, talk about missing the yawning bull's eye..F-Shatty...Can't say that enough...but Jake TROUBA? Holey Schnikies, he's EXACTLY what this team needs. He would solve just about all of our problems on D...He'd give us a legit top-pairing defenseman for the right, an absolute CANNON on the point and a guy who is just really good at moving the puck. No idea what 'Peg would want for him...heard the price is prohibitively high...but if the fact they don't have this kid under contract is dumbfounding for me. I'd deal every single one of their blueliners before this kid...Trade for Trouba, lock the kid up for seven years.

tdchi


Mon Aug 1 2016 1:57 pm EST

VERMETTE was done two years ago, when the Hawks foolishly traded away a decent defensive prospect AND a first-rounder for him....but he is the type of forward I could see AV liking on the bottom six...but just given the moves they've made so far, I don't see it happening.

tdchi


Mon Aug 1 2016 12:44 pm EST

VER-MEH???? Maybe. If he could be signed for a short term and decent money. He would help the bottom 6 for sure. Not much more then that.

Vic


Mon Aug 1 2016 12:27 pm EST

rf4l they are buying him out, so he could be available cheap.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 11:33 am EST

Antoine Vermette on waivers...

RF4L


Mon Aug 1 2016 9:54 am EST

http://spectorshockey.net/latest-on-the-blues-and-jets-august-1-2016/

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 9:09 am EST

Bob....very true and look many of their players have underachieved. Not a coincidence IMO.

RF4L


Mon Aug 1 2016 7:31 am EST

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/07/31/he-never-played-his-best-games-against-the-tougher-teams-klefbom-reacts-to-the-taylor-hall-trade/

stevielegs


Mon Aug 1 2016 1:01 am EST

RF4L--The Oilers have done that a lot over the years.

Bob


Sun Jul 31 2016 11:42 pm EST

Bob. Not saying it's the only reason but a big part of Gagner's lack of development is due to the Oilers inane decision to have him turn pro at 18. Stupid.

RF4L


Sun Jul 31 2016 7:12 pm EST

Did Sathrr hire him?

mf


Sun Jul 31 2016 5:30 pm EST

Gagner is not worth any interest by the Rangers. I have to smile when I recall the day he and Cogliano were drafted by Kevin Lowe in Edmonton. He made a big fat deal about their picking these 2 Canadian kids who would be future NHL stars. Cogliano works his but off and is an effective 4th liner and PKer now in Anaheim. Unfortunately for him, he has worse hands than Hagelin. Gagner has not amounted to much, and has been bouncing around the league for quite awhile now. How Kevin Lowe is still pulling a paycheck from the Oilers for anything else besides showing up for alumni games is completely beyond me.

Bob


Sun Jul 31 2016 4:19 pm EST

mf - I share a soft spot for GAGNER as well...and waffle between whether they should sign him...problem is, he's a guy who needs to play top six, but doesn't have the full package to be a top-six skater...and he just doesn't have the defense to be bottom six...guy isn't very good at faceoffs...and now he's burned through three teams in two years(four if you count the Lightning). Can't kill penalties, not good at faceoffs...basically, he's a fourth liner who can help out your PP.

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 4:11 pm EST

E - Way I see it is GLASS is going to have an uphill battle to land a roster spot. And while I'd take LAPIERRE over him, I would be astounded if we start the season with both. I'd even be somewhat surprised to start with either of them...my take on some of the moves Gorton has made is they have one common thread: SPEED. Everyone they've grabbed thus far is a burner. Grabner, Zibanajed, Jooris, Gerbe...all fast as hell. I don't see a lot of room for either. Think Glass stays because he has a contract and Lapierre goes to Europe once he's cut.

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 4:09 pm EST

TDCHI - Yep, have seen him play..not impressed...Like Laperriere better becasue of his FO ability and for being a dick, which we need....Jooris will make a good Black Ace...To each their own..

Hospo


Sun Jul 31 2016 4:07 pm EST

Vic - Wouldn't disagree. The only thing I can add about GRAVES is that he's a BIG guy. Dude is huge. Actually, he reminds me a bit of McILRATH...smoother skater, not as good of a hitter. Those two paired on your back line? Man...Don't envy the forward who comes up against them. Graves making the NHL isn't an if. It's a when. I think we'll see him as a mid-season call-up.

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 4:02 pm EST

Hospo - Have you ever seen JORRIS play? Me thinks not. Take a gander. If there's a guy LAPIERRE is competing with, it ain't him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7g61Ks_--g

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 3:09 pm EST

Like this one.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kza6VP7DiVs

mf


Sun Jul 31 2016 3:02 pm EST

RF: while I'm not a protectionist on any player on the New York Rangers and if I were building my depth chart on the kids it would be Skjei far and away then McIlrath and then Graves. For all the obvious reasons. Skjei is gonna be a top-4 if not a top pair in a few.

E


Sun Jul 31 2016 2:53 pm EST

E. McI has a hard shot too. And he gets it on net.

RF4L


Sun Jul 31 2016 2:50 pm EST

Per Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC..... Tyson Barrie and COL sign a four-year deal with a $5.5M AAV

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 31 2016 1:21 pm EST

Watch GAGNER (RHS) have a good year with CBJ.... Good signing for both IMO...... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-sam-gagner-closing-in-on-one-year-deal-with-blue-jackets/

mf


Sun Jul 31 2016 1:05 pm EST

E: please not so quick to bump MCILRATH, he deserves a long & patient shot at making the squad as a regular ........... Our D starting on the LHS: "IF" we can move STAAL we can slot Holden in his place. ON paper Holden looks fine... If Holden does not meet expectations and Graves is knocking at the door, we have McDonaugh, Skjei, Graves down the LHS.... Three years from now, McDonagh's contract is up and he will turn 30 in June of that year, so two years from now (providing McDonagh stays healthy & productive) there will be conversations about his contract & remaining a Ranger...... Which brings us to the RHS, "IF" we don't or can't move Girardi this year, I think we do next year or we buy him out... Kevin Klein is 31.5 yrs young; so "IF" Graves is knocking on the door this year, it would seem prudent that Frog-Coach rotate him into the line-up like he should have done with McIlrath this passed season.. McIlrath should have been in twice as many games with Girardi & Boyle resting & healing.. This Wall called for this approach in managing the RHS TOI minutes umteen times before and during last season........... We need to move GIRARDI as well as Staal.... "IF" Girardi is moved, Gorton can engage in trade that may / probably land us a RHS D'man..... That will not help the Graves to the RH Side situation.... Graves & or Skjei would have to beat out McIlrath to have Frog-Coach bump McIlrath from the RHS & insert a lefty... And come to think about it, we have some depth down the RHS in CLENDENING & PALIOTTA who if they are playing well could compete for a RH slot.......... All good dilemma's except for the fact that Staal & Girardi are still Rangers and it's July 31st.... jmo naturally........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVVe1DkVsQ

mf


Sun Jul 31 2016 11:33 am EST

Enter might nightmare scenario. Both LaPierre and Glass riding together on the PK. Ugh... At least LaPierre can draw and he brings some personality to this bland team. Oh, and especially now that Taylor Hall is going to be around driving the NYR mad.

E


Sun Jul 31 2016 11:31 am EST

Given the lack of legit NHL depth on the NYR. And frankly, the fragility of it, I wouldn't be surprised if Graves gets his shoulder tapped. And that pulls up all kinds of interesting thoughts like, will he supplant Mcilrath? Yes, I know they don't have the same stick so we don't have to educate me on that one. Who is better between the two. And are both these guys being seen as part of the future lineup? I haven't seen too much of Graves skating to comment but I have seen Mcilrath who has improved. What does that mean? We'll see. But outside of a falter Skjei is a lock. At least initially. The wheels would literally have to come off the cart to bump him. Graves howitzer of a slapper might give him some additional value. But alas I cannot see .43 of your defense a bunch of guys with less then a full season of NHL experience under their skates.

E


Sun Jul 31 2016 11:07 am EST

Liked the Day pick..high, high upside....RHET - If JOORIS is his challenger, MAXIM should have a good chance of making the team.......TDCHI - If BUCH is being counted on as TOP 6, the Rangers are assholes...But, if they are, I agree they aren't done dealing...or it means somebody shifts down...and the only wing in Top 6 that can play 3rd line--and maybe even center it...is JT MILLER..And he doesn't belong there..Totally unimoressed with the lineup asis

Hospo


Sun Jul 31 2016 9:21 am EST

TD: I really liked what I saw from GRAVES in camp and preseason last year. He looked pretty close to being ready then. One of the poll questions for this year is about him and how many NHL games he will play this year.

Vic


Sun Jul 31 2016 8:56 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj_tlHugHBo

RF4L


Sun Jul 31 2016 8:55 am EST

Rhet: Thanks for posting the link - I like Gordie Clark; he always comes across as thoughtful and reasonable. There's another video available showing Buch highlights. Man, if he can translate what he did in Russia over here, the Rangers have a star in the making. Very good hands and an excellent skater.

RF4L


Sun Jul 31 2016 8:10 am EST

moof day o......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMTNT_BzkdA

stevielegs


Sun Jul 31 2016 7:41 am EST

Re: DAY - Supposedly, he's a lot more than an 'above average' skater. Guy is said to move like the wind.

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 7:39 am EST

mf - HOLEY SCHNIKIES! I just remembered that! You called Sean Day! That was like two years ago...Good call Monte! Where is the wall's score sheet ;)

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 6:40 am EST

Clark interview is very interesting. If you want to get an idea where the organization sees several of its top prospects, certainly give it a watch...on Sean DAY - Never heard of him before this season...certainly didn't know he was considered 'the next one' so to speak...and Clark makes a very good point: When you're 200-plus pounds at 15, you don't need to work very hard for anything...sounds like Day has a 'come to Jesus' with his coaches...Clark: "Sean is the closest I've seen to a Paul Coffey skater in my time..." Also says BUCHENEVICH is projected as a "top two" forward, meaning the Rangers have him in their top six....says he has elite hands and elite vision...thought he was ready "to come over two years ago"...called him a "bigger version of Zucc..." on Ryan GRAVES: "He's got a cannon" of a shot....also says he plays left and right...though the organization typically keeps players on the side where they shoot...on GROPP: Said collapsed lung derailed his season last year and would have done a lot better had he been better conditioned...said he's "speed and offense...he has top end speed." Thought Gropp was every bit as good as any of the players taken in the second half of the first round. Maybe he's blowing smoke, but it does sound like the Rangers have four really talented players...three of which are about to come into the fold....some takeaway: If Buch is skating top six, the Rangers aren't done dealing...Graves doesn't sound like he's a full season in Hartford away from coming to New York...

tdchi


Sun Jul 31 2016 12:04 am EST

Does Maxim Lapierre Have a Chance of Making the Rangers? .....http://thehockeywriters.com/does-maxim-lapierre-have-a-chance-of-making-the-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 2:46 pm EST

theScore ‏@theScore ....... Report: Linesman hit by Dennis Wideman had neck surgery, career may be over. http://thesco.re/2akBHMs

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 1:53 pm EST

Rangers Director, Player Personnel Gordie Clarks gives his reasons why the organization decided on selecting Sean Day and comments on the development of Pavel Buchnevich, Ryan Gropp and Ryan Graves...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SajDdFl3TCM

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 1:18 pm EST

Interview with Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebqHIlwx0U

mf


Sat Jul 30 2016 12:55 pm EST

Meant to say I saw video on Day

puckyou


Sat Jul 30 2016 12:53 pm EST

I have seen utube. Video out for drink Day, definitely can skate. My impression on early exception in major Jr. Was he had the size to play at that level at 15, but maturity is a big thing also. If a kid is that young and maybe not thinking of hockey as a career necessarily, and gets promoted like that, it's easy to think he may not be as dedicated or driven as kids a few years older. I think at where he was available -81st in 3rd round, it was certainly worth a shot. If he blossoms in a couple of years defensively (he went from -37 or so to -9 in 2 years, without losing too much offense) he can possibly get on the right track. Very smooth skater with speed, leaner this year. Fingers crossed on this pick.

puckyou


Sat Jul 30 2016 12:44 pm EST

Just saw a picture of the Cullen family eating their cereal out of the Stanley Cup and I can't help but think.... With all the stories I've read about all the 'fluids' and other 'things' that have been in the cup over the years... not me. I don't care how much they've cleaned it. Just No.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 11:53 am EST

Per Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline.... Told #CBJ are closing in a one-year, one-way deal with free agent center Sam Gagner. Filing blog shortly to Puck-rakers .....Ola..... I meant to address my post to you, not E ... RF.... That is interesting, I had not seen that anywhere else.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 11:49 am EST

Personally, I am stoked that we signed SEAN DAY... I first read an article about him close to two years ago.. The kid grew into his body at an early age and used it to his advantage... Now the rest of the kids have caught up, but how many are 6'2" 225 lbs when trimmed down? Supposedly, DAY is an above average skater & very strong... Hopefully he'll be a productive Ranger for a good long time...... (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/sean-day-hopes-to-build-on-rookie-season-with-steelheads/article20876308/) ...... Google search of older articles regarding Sean Day: ... https://www.google.com/search?q=sean+day&biw=1024&bih=705&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2013%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F1%2F2015&tbm=

mf


Sat Jul 30 2016 10:55 am EST

OLA- thanks for info on this kid Day.. even if its not good news... I don't follow the U20 players so I was surprised the NYRs could land a player like Day in the 3rd round.. as you point out, there is obviously issues both with his play/skill as well as personality that every NHL team picked up on...

schneidw


Sat Jul 30 2016 9:17 am EST

TD.... All Aho would cost us is a contract. Seems pretty cheap for a future PPQB with a lot of skill. When did 5'10" become small enough not to draft a player? .....Sebastian Aho Deserves a Shot in the NHL - Today's Slapshot.... http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-prospects/sebastian-aho-deserves-shot-nhl/ .....Nobody Wants Aho and Nobody Knows Why..... http://thehockeywriters.com/nobody-wants-sebastian-aho-and-nobody-knows-why/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 8:59 am EST

Rhet/E: What that story doesn't refer to and this is something I posted about after the draft is the fact that Day's older brother, someone he is very close to, killed someone while driving drunk and is in jail. This all happened shortly after he started his junior career and apparently it a significant impact on him emotionally and affected his game. For a long time, no one knew, save for management and it was a long time before he spoke about it publicly. He kept it so hidden his teammates didn't even know. Now to what extent this did impact his game is impossible to say for sure but it will be interesting to see how he plays this year. IMO if he's going to be an NHL player one day he needs to start turning the corner soon on his junior career, hopefully this year. His progress will be interesting to watch this season.

RF4L


Sat Jul 30 2016 8:36 am EST

While with the Leafs, Michael Grabner said that he takes a lot of "pride" in killing penalties and frustrating the other team. (Toronto Sun) He said that with his speed he can take away a lot of time and space from the opposition. (Toronto Sun) Grabner says that strengths of his game come from his skating ability and his speed. He said that he uses those attributes on the PK to break up plays and to get into position quickly. (NYR) He said that he likes to use his speed to pressure opponents, force turnovers and then go on the offensive. (NYR) Grabner added, "I've scored some goals in the past and hopefully I can get the offensive side of my game up a little bit more again." (NYR)..... E..... Day is a very divisive player. Scouts seem to either love the guy or hate him, there is no in between. One GM said during the draft that there is no circumstance under which he would select Day. Ouch! I found this piece on Day to be very interesting(written before the Draft) ......http://thehockeywriters.com/sean-day-steal-or-bust-of-the-2016-nhl-draft/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 30 2016 4:49 am EST

Schneid- Just from the very sparse vids I've seen of Day, he doesn't seem to have all that much potential to be honest. Can hopefully become a solid mid pairing D though! But people say that he never really where a superstar like Tavares and co as a teenager, and he certainly haven't been a big star in juniors either. Doesn't seem to have that good hands or offensive ability. Very thick player that moves well.

Ola


Fri Jul 29 2016 9:49 pm EST

Damn@! High Risk, High Reward...... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rangers-take-exceptional-gamble-sean-day-first-pick/

schneidw


Fri Jul 29 2016 9:35 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Heh..trick question ;) Was about wax on about the Finn AHO thinking you might have made a mistake/typo on the nationality and then realized there is a Swede of the same name. TBH, I know nothing about him. I see he played in both the 2015 and 2016 WJCs, so I must have seen a little bit of him...looks like he put up some OK numbers in his first one...but he didn't stand out to me in either year...which doesn't mean much, because I wasn't looking for him and...given his name, it's entirely possible that I could be thing of both AHOs when I'm remembering the one...I don't remember being overly impressed with anyone on the Swedish team on either year, save for the NYLANDER boys...but alas, I never trust my memory that much... a quick scour of the net...he sounds a little bit like Torey KRUG...and guess what? The price is right. Free agent. Zero-risk signing. I'd give him a contract. Only issue I see there is that the Pack already have GRAVES and BODIE on the left side. But worse comes to worst, let him flee back to Sweden. Best case scenario, we get our puck mover.

tdchi


Fri Jul 29 2016 7:23 pm EST

WILD.... I believe you are thinking of Offer Sheets.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 29 2016 6:25 pm EST

Rhet: Unless something changed, you can't move a player the first season after an arbitration award.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 29 2016 5:14 pm EST

TD..... In regard to Brad Morrison: He is not eligible to play in the AHL this season, but we could still sign him to his first pro contract. The same way we did with Sergey Zborovskiy, who is also not eligible to play in the AHL this coming season.Morrison's deal would also slide. For those who don't know: until his first Pro season starts, a players Pro contract doesn't start(it quite literally slides forward). Also, what do you think of Swedish Sebastian Aho?.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 29 2016 3:40 pm EST

Per General Fanager ‏@generalfanager ..... 13 teams have released financial terms on at least one occasion this summer: BOS, CAR, DAL, MIN, NSH, NJD, OTT, PIT, TBL, TOR, VAN, WSH, WPG

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 29 2016 2:43 pm EST

Does the fact that Tyson Barrie and the AVs' went to arbitration mean they intend to trade him? The team offered $4M and $4.25M on a 2-year deal and Barrie is asking $6M on a 1-year deal. Seems to me if the AV's offered a $5 M AAV on a 2-year deal, it could've been done.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 29 2016 2:07 pm EST

NJ signed Brandon Gormley to a 2 way contract. Watch him become a regular on the Devils backline - they seem to be quite good at reclamation projects and this is a guy who was selected 13th overall and is only 24 years of age. Worth the gamble without a doubt.

RF4L


Fri Jul 29 2016 11:40 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/coyotes/2016/07/28/arizona-coyotes-sign-connor-murphy-six-year-contract/87666932/

mf


Fri Jul 29 2016 10:05 am EST

Minny's cap space: http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/MIN?year=2017 / http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MIN

mf


Fri Jul 29 2016 9:38 am EST

Matt Dumba signing gives Wild time to decide direction of defense ... (I believe they could use another RHS D'man) ... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/matt-dumba-signing-gives-wild-time-to-decide-direction-of-defense/

mf


Fri Jul 29 2016 8:33 am EST

stevie: Yep. And really in the end for the most part, the better teams make the POs - it just takes a little longer to happen, which is precisely why the 3 point system exists. And I am certain the officials are instructed to let so much go to help negate the skill of the better teams. That's Buttman's calling card and why he remains at the commissioner. It's got very little to do with actually pleasing knowledgeable hockey fans, despite the crap that spews from that weasel's mouth so often.

RF4L


Fri Jul 29 2016 8:17 am EST

rf4l his big gimmick is the ot point system which keeps teams in the playoff run . 2 point games become 3...wafj.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 29 2016 8:05 am EST

Buttman is one smart cookie, that's for sure. He keeps his job not because he caters to fans - no, it's the owners he caters to. He's the one behind the expansions. He's the one behind the perceived competitiveness in the league (via the a loss gets a point and having the games dummied down via the officials letting so much go). He's a major player in keeping the violence in the game. Selling tickets and jerseys and all that is first and foremost on that man's agenda - the actual quality of the game from a hockey sense is totally secondary to him.

RF4L


Fri Jul 29 2016 7:41 am EST

Rhet I'm not sather fan, but my guess is most picks don't make it to the nhl. The odds and stats are probably kept by someone. the 80/20 rule just might apply backwards, with 20 out of 100 ever making it.

stevielegs


Fri Jul 29 2016 7:09 am EST

Pardon...44 contracts.

tdchi


Fri Jul 29 2016 7:07 am EST

Rhet0ric - The majority of those guys have run their course with the Rangers and weren't really going anywhere...Luke Adam, who I liked several ago when he was with the Sabres organization, looked slow and very pedestrian with the Pack. Could never break their top six, which says everything...I never saw Michael St. Croix play in the few times he was with Hartford, but suffice to say, he couldn't crack the Pack lineup for three consecutive seasons and that's never a good sign...I liked Chris McCarthy and thought he improved last season...might have made a late push for an NHL career...but truth is, he's a heart player...his upside would be that of a Jed Ortmeyer....Josh Nichols and Sam Noreau(who I once had high hopes for) were two more that could never get a foot in the door with the Pack...three strikes and your out...Kantor I remember when he first came to Hartford and he was all sandpaper. Not very skilled, but was sort of an energy guy...zero future with the Rangers...Kind of surprised Richard Nejezchleb didn't get a contract. He seemed like a player who at least had a future with Hartford. But apparently, he went back to the Czech league...Keegan Iverson? Not so much. The Rangers drafted him by virtue of his size and the hope maybe he could become a bull-in-a-china-shop-type player. But the truth is, the guy never did. He was eligible in the draft and all 30 teams passed on him. He's now apparently going back to the WHL as an overager...Mantha was the one that caught me offguard. I don't think anyone was projecting him to be a star or even a sure-fire AHLer...but he was on the upswing. I certainly would have spent a contract on him...and I totally agree on Oksanen. With 46 contracts, why not?...I don't think Morrison is eligible to play for the Pack, so I don't know why they'd sign him. Ditto with Day, unless he falls through some obscure crack in the rules...so that leaves them with six contracts to fill...you gotta think one of those is being held out for VESEY...and maybe the Caps NCAA UFA DiPAULI...Kid Daniel BERNHARDT could be another...he's eligible to play in the AHL and remains unsigned after coming over from Sweden. Still, you've got to wonder whether this portends a significant move ahead. Why keep so many contract slots open, unless you are planning to add at least three or four more players?

tdchi


Fri Jul 29 2016 6:58 am EST

RHET: You said........ "Gary Bettman says that the fans have no interest in such things. How can one man be so wrong so often and still keep his job? "........The NHL wants fans that buy tickets, jerseys, concessions and watch on TV. Those are "Fans" to BETTMAN. People like us who scrutinize the decisions of the league, teams, players and BETTMAN himself are not their target audience. In their manor of thinking WE are the problem. How dare we question expansion! How dare we question BETTMAN's statements on CTE! We need to just shut up and spend our money like a true fan should/would..................

Vic


Thu Jul 28 2016 9:52 pm EST

The NYR have a few participants in the Minnesota Summer League , including Ryan Mcdonagh, Brady Skjei, Derek Stepan and Steven Fogarty..... https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/brady-skjei-and-ryan-mcdonagh-in-their-minnesota-summer-league/192329966

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 9:10 pm EST

NHL teams are starting to show Contract information (including $$$, term). The Predators are tweeting out the information and also showing on their web page how the player was acquired. Not the NYR or course, but this is a real change for the NHL..... http://predators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=88111. Gary Bettman says that the fans have no interest in such things. How can one man be so wrong so often and still keep his job? .....Stevie.... To greatly oversimplify things and not to muck through the minutia... Sather was the boss and has the last say(whether or not he uses it is another story).....but in my book, it's ultimately on him. Just like now, it's ultimately on Gorton. JMO, of course.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 6:40 pm EST

Rhet aren't they picks gordie Clark recommended ?

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 6:26 pm EST

With the Hrivik signing today, that's brings the total NYR contract count up to 44 (as Sergey Zborovskiy's contract will slide). I'm guessing we will also be giving Brad Morrison a contract which will leave us with 5 total (maybe Day?). Ahti Oksanen is signed to a deal with Hartford, which doesn't count against our contract count, but it also means he can sign with any NHL team after this season. I'm not too sure why we didn't "waste" a contract on him. I like how aggressive Gorton is being with the AHL, trying to improve the quality. This season we passed on forward Keegan Iverson, defenseman Ryan Mantha and forward Richard Nejezchleb by not signing them by the 5PM June 1 deadline. We also didn't give qualifying offers to Forward's Luke Adam, Michael St. Croix, Chris McCarthy, Josh Nichols and Defensemen Mike Kantor and Sam Noreau. It says a lot for what Gorton think's of some of Sather's prior picks. I believe Zachary Aston-Reese is still available.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 4:26 pm EST

Rich Clune is a beast but a not very talented beast. A career AHLer...Glass is better.

RF4L


Thu Jul 28 2016 4:23 pm EST

Hospo, eat a peach! .... Minny has 11 forwards signed

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 4:21 pm EST

MF/RHET - Frog and wings? Neither of you a big Allman Borothers fan?

Hospo


Thu Jul 28 2016 4:14 pm EST

Minny is cap strapped but good..outside of a deal that freed up space, not sure how much more they could offer this kid... Are there others they still need to sign?

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 4:08 pm EST

Actually, I like that deal for Dumba. Keep in mind he is a kid for as skilled and talented as he is has been scratched several games here and there because of his penchant for playing out of control leaving his assignments, looking to blow people up on checks etc... The upside is undeniable. When he settles it all in he's gonna be a real weapon. So, it's a gamble. If he emerges they'll regret not locking him up as a franchise player. If he doesn't they overpaid and his next contract will be performance based and not potential.

E


Thu Jul 28 2016 4:01 pm EST

Dumba not dumb

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:59 pm EST

Short-sighted deal by the Wild. Should have gone long-term...... Per Minnesota WildVerified account ‏@mnwild........ BREAKING: #mnwild has agreed to terms with @matt_dumba on a two-year, $5.1 million contract→ http://ow.ly/hG9k302I2Eh

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:46 pm EST

moof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCd0OjjCz88

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:29 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYnCmw2CWE

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:27 pm EST

rhet guess lb only knew 3 players....5 is even worse....preseason shouldn't start until worlds are over. ...poor planning .....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:24 pm EST

tdchi usually they have 40+ guys at camp, and wait too long to cut them. preseason games should be for roster players and guys on the cusp. 30 is plenty.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:21 pm EST

Per Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie ..... Hrivik in for two-way deal at $600,000 NHL....... MF.... :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:15 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/in-an-unknown-world-gary-bettman-acts-like-he-knows-everything/

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 3:14 pm EST

I'll accept responsibility for much of the non-hockey ridiculousness here, but your not pinning "flying frogs" on me, No siree!

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 2:30 pm EST

MF.... "If" a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his @SS when he hopped"

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 2:12 pm EST

E... He played for the Leafs/Marlies last season. Where he is now is anyone's guess.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 2:01 pm EST

MF - Of course we have options as you point out, doesn't mean other teams have to like our options,,,

Hospo


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:52 pm EST

Clune? Nashville Clune? Whatever happened to that guy??? Is he in the AHL?

E


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:30 pm EST

JIRI HUDLER: Earned $4mill last season & remains unsigned ..... Trade NASH, trade or move Glass, same & or demote LaPierre, Lindberg on the IR to start the season, let the bottom 3 fight it out, and if need be, bundle a few in a trade for something better...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2898#

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:15 pm EST

Hospo: just to rehash, "IF" Gorton can move the 3 contracts of Staal, Giridi, Nash, we could have an abundance of 2nd & 3rd line talent, and restock some picks & prospects for the farm.. "Then," Gorton can try to bundle some for Top 3 talent...... There's good value in our 3 guys, and there's $19mill in cap space.... We can afford to eat some salary as a sweetener... Examples: we could eat $800k of Nash's deal for 2 years...... $700K of Staal's deal for any part of 5 years , brings his hit down to $5mill, $500K of Girardi for any part of 4 yreas, brings his hit down to $5mill also...... We've got options.............

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:12 pm EST

Steve ZipayVerified account ‏@stevezipay .... NYR re-sign RFA F Marek Hrivik...

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:06 pm EST

MF - Don't think Laperierre would be an alternate to GLASS (who I think will end up in Hartford--nobody will take that contract) but maybe one of the other schlubs Gorton signed this summer..But hey, it's what training camp is all about....who knows which one of the dumpster dives will really impress?

Hospo


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:04 pm EST

Want a brick shithouse of a guy who "can be" an asshole and will hit anything including Martin, Clutterbuck, Lucic? RICH CLUNE ready, willing & able.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5056

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 1:01 pm EST

The few times McIlrath was given a chance on the ice, it was like the "principal" walked into the classroom... The issue is our coach A-Vishyssoise didn't get him minutes..... Now AV is going to play LaPierre as an alternate to T.Glass because he's familiar with his play from yesteryear? Av needs to grow a spine....IMO, The roster spots are as precious as the cap dollars..

mf


Thu Jul 28 2016 12:54 pm EST

E - Like I said in MAY, I though we needed some assholes..WHo do we sign? Grabner, Gerbe and Jooris!!!! and get rid of Stalberg, the closest thing we had to a prick in the bottom two lines,...Anyway, Ziba over Brass was a good start but it's worth giving LAPERIERRE over Jooris becasue of that characteristic as well as his proven FO ability, which is needed bad...

Hospo


Thu Jul 28 2016 12:37 pm EST

HOSPO: LaPierre has been on my list for years already. Just a guy that gets people off their game. Something seems to happen when he gets on the ice. And I think the New York Rangers need that. Just need to be more aggravating. I wouldn't be surprised if he was next up just because he can win a draw. And who else can say that?

E


Thu Jul 28 2016 11:26 am EST

Hey, maybe Stepan will be some other team's property by the time that tourney starts!

RF4L


Thu Jul 28 2016 11:02 am EST

stevielegs - we'll see but I thin the Rangers roster is pretty set right now in terms of the scrubs coming in for try outs...think that will be at a minimum...There could be a few surprises here and there...For one, I think there is one last 'shake up' deal that will go down before the season...we have waaaay too many blueliners, and none of them fit the profile of a puckmover, save for CLENDENING, who I frankly think is Hartford-bound...we also don't have a very good spot for BUCHNEVICH, who I think they'll want to get into the top nine. Add to that these persistent rumors about VESEY, who ain't signing with a team that's gonna start him anywhere other than the top nine...I think they're gonna wait until he signs somewhere on Aug. 15, and then swing a deal in the days that follow --regardless of where he goes...long and short: I don't think you'll see many guys in camp that don't have a future with the team.

tdchi


Thu Jul 28 2016 10:50 am EST

After thought, don't mind Maxim Laperierre in camp at all..Got some size and attitude...some of the asshole charactetristic this team needs,,Other team hate him, and he's good at FO's and defense..I'll take him over JOORIS, especially for the FO ability

Hospo


Thu Jul 28 2016 10:22 am EST

Rhetoric.......the best way to look at this situation is that "Every" team will have it's BEST players playing in this tournament. We'll all be in the same boat. Let's pray for no injuries to our Rangers !

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jul 28 2016 10:03 am EST

Just a reminder of which NYR players are going to the World Cup of Hockey..... Team Sweden: Henrik Lundqvist G..... Team Europe: Mats Zuccarello F...... Team USA: Ryan McDonagh D, Derek Stepan F...... Team North America: J.T. Miller F

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 28 2016 8:31 am EST

rf4l not sure why the coach doesn't really address the room, and claims he leaves it up to them to talk. I doubt many coaches do that. Some probably overdo it rather than under do it.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 8:18 am EST

The world cup of hockey is indeed a cash grab - for the league and the NHLPA.

RF4L


Thu Jul 28 2016 8:17 am EST

I wonder if the coach has shoulder chips...he most definitely needs to change his style - more of ignoring the room will likely equate to more indifferent, uninspired play from his charges because at this point what we perceived as a lack of leadership within the room (and on the ice) hasn't been addressed.

RF4L


Thu Jul 28 2016 8:05 am EST

tdchi the farce of camp is bringing too many guys in, and taking too long to cut them, so they real roster can play pregames. instead the first 10-20 + games are preseason. and in reality with this coach it's 40-82 games....the worlds should be a little earlier or the nhl should be starting a little later, but that's logical. ....A TEAM needs to practice , bond, and develop chemistry staring in training camp. all together. missing 3 of the top 6 delays that. ...no capt hopalong fugitive parmenter in the worlds?.....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:55 am EST

I'm personally really looking forward to the World Cup of Hockey. Should be a fun tournament, at a very interesting time of year. It'll be completely awesome if one of the younger teams (NA or Euro) wins it all... especially if they pull the upset in the medal game against one of the top 4 super powers.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:46 am EST

Ahhh...the ol' 'chip on the shoulder' article. Man, talk about platitudes. That one is just tired and old. Yeah, every goddamn player who got eliminated from cup contention comes into the season with a chip on his shoulder. And if he doesn't then maybe he should find a new career...I know the players don't push that narrative...rather bored journalists and PR departments...if HAYES has a 'chip on his shoulder' then he can bring it into the season and not be the gentle giant he's been for two season. Maybe lose the baby fat and the propensity for putting his giant dome piece through plasterboard would be better than said chip...There is a reality though, which is that guys like him and KREIDER have a shelf-life on this team...whereas someone like MILLER to a giant leap forward, both of them kind of stayed the same...less so with Kreider, because he did bring something to the table every game even if he didn't statistically improve...but Hayes...man, this is it for him. He's either going to improve or go down the path of his brother, which is being an inconsistent third-liner who isn't particularly good at anything.

tdchi


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:39 am EST

Training camp is a bit of a farce. Save for the injured, most of these guys take a few weeks off after the season ends and then immediately start training again. I'm on the fence about whether the Worlds are worth anything...they seem a bit BS to me...kind of like the Olympics, sans any medal of worth and plus a layer of circus(Team North America, Team Europe). In other words, a giant cash grab for whatever city is hosting them...I could see injuries an impact on teams, but essentially they're going to be a training camp for all-stars...as for LAPIERRE...Would have gladly taken him four or five years ago when he was with the Canucks...was the sandpaper guy the Rangers could use on fourth line...but he was a joke the last time I watched him play, which oddly enough was against the Rangers. Just a distraction on the ice. Sean Avery, minus offensive ability...probably about the same on defense...not as much of a circus sideshow douche, but close... I suspect AV is doing him a favor...but if a guy like JOORIS is on the bubble, Lapierre doesn't stand a chance. Maybe a character guy for the AHL. Maybe he goes back to Europe.

tdchi


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:21 am EST

On the other hand, if he's matured and has taken that crap out of his game, perhaps he'll be a decent addition if he plays with some snarl and can win some FOs.

RF4L


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:16 am EST

Lapierre is a prickjob, a cheap shot artist who turtles when challenged. Can't stand the guy. I hope he flames out in camp.

RF4L


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:10 am EST

But more importantly, YES it does screw up NHL training camps for just about everyone. Is this better then taking a break in the middle of the season? I'm not so sure. How about playing this right after the playoffs end. Players in the Cup Finals wouldn't participate but everyone else who is healthy could. Guys who are hurt should skip it. And anyone that participates would still have the rest of the summer to get some rest and then start their training. Just makes more sense to me.

Vic


Thu Jul 28 2016 7:06 am EST

STEVIE: The World Cup will be played from Sept. 17 to Oct. 1, 2016. That could end up impacting some of the poll questions in there are injuries, etc.

Vic


Thu Jul 28 2016 6:59 am EST

so the worlds are the same time as training camp...great idea.....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 28 2016 5:56 am EST

Another veenyo boy ..." The Rangers confirmed Maxim Lapierre, who played last year in Switzerland and Sweden, will attend training camp on a tryout. Perhaps the 31-year-old center, who played three seasons for coach Alain Vigneault in Vancouver from late in the 2010-11 season through 2012-13, is an extra body to have in camp while forwards Derek Stepan, J.T. Miller and Mats Zuccarello are otherwise occupied with the World Cup. Lapierre was a decent faceoff man in his heyday, which included stops in Montreal, Anaheim, St. Louis and Pittsburgh."

stevielegs


Wed Jul 27 2016 11:58 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/27/chris-kreiders-plan-to-get-out-of-his-head-and-into-the-score-sheet/

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 10:16 pm EST

york: LOL...you're an amusing fellow - I knew my Bogosian reference provoke you. That said, I'm right on that particular point. Nash's fabulous run - his first and likely only as a Ranger - came to an abrupt end after that mugging. Too bad pansified AV hates McI - I would have loved to see McI chase Bogosian around the ice after that crap and then pound that cheap phucker into oblivion. Ain't gonna happen I suspect - AV is likely drooling at the notion of squashing McI's confidence by dressing Glenfiditch and keeping the kid in the pressbox. Gonna be wonderful to see!

RF4L


Wed Jul 27 2016 10:12 pm EST

Hospo: Oh I get the desire for a PP QB on the backend. I just think Shittenkirk isn't the answer at the alleged cost to trade for him and his pending huge contract demands.

RF4L


Wed Jul 27 2016 9:18 pm EST

RF4L - But, hey, if he has a chip on his shoulder......Those chips should also help the PP units which, if you read that article below, are quite scary..And not in a good way..Get the Offensive PP D-man Mr. Gorther...

Hospo


Wed Jul 27 2016 8:46 pm EST

mf: Mmmm...seems to me Kreider had similar aspirations last summer. That isn't to say it's not a good thing that he's making those declarations - however, it's time to put up or shut up, especially given the rather hefty salary he's about to enjoy.

RF4L


Wed Jul 27 2016 8:45 pm EST

So how is Buffalo 'leading the pack' on Vesey when time after time after time his agent has declared he's going to UFA on 8/15 with the intentions to exercise his right to be an UFA?

RF4L


Wed Jul 27 2016 8:30 pm EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-chris-kreider-vows-to-play-big-strong-fast-mean-imposing-1.12099977

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 8:23 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2016/07/27/new-york-rangers-what-will-the-powerplay-units-look-like/

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:28 pm EST

Rhet, t/y...... next !

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:20 pm EST

MF.... Vadim Shipachyov will stay in the KHL with SKA St. Petersburg for at least one more year, according to reporter Alvis Kalnins

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:19 pm EST

""Its not their fault....its the fault of the NCAA."" ..... Oh My G-d!

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:15 pm EST

Pete.... Money was a big concern for Ottawa. They claimed like half a dozen times that it wasn't a consideration, but the more they said no, the more it was like they were saying yes.. They expect Z-bad to be making more money than Brass starting next season(especially if he has a breakout season). Also, they waited to consummate the deal after the NYR had to pay Brass the bonus money owed him this season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:12 pm EST

Shipachyov still unsigned, any new rumor-trage on this guy?

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:07 pm EST

Wildcard: Yeah and academically they qualified for acceptance into college? There's a bridge up by 178th Street that spans across the Hudson, care to lease out one of the toll booths? I'll give you good terms........

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 7:06 pm EST

evets - interesting, thanks for the insight. I'm just worried they see something in Z they don't like

pete


Wed Jul 27 2016 6:55 pm EST

mf: Don't forget, a lot of athletes come from crap backgrounds, their families didn't have jobs, and they never had to deal with taxes. They didn't work during high school, and couldn't work during college due to the archaic NCAA rules, so suddenly having to understand tax codes and filling taxes is a new thing. Its not their fault....its the fault of the NCAA, economic classes should be part of being a student athlete.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 27 2016 6:50 pm EST

Per NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily.... NYR very much in on Vesey... Buffalo still leading the pack

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 6:44 pm EST

Per Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord..... Re: Maxim Lapierre attending Rangers' camp on PTO: Rangers need bodies b/c of World Cup absences. He's not taking Buchnevich's spot.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 6:21 pm EST

How do these kids get into a college??? ""when one of the presenters asked how many players knew what the jock tax was, only three players raised their hands."" ..... ""Not only do many players not know about the tax, but most young players have never had to file taxes. xxxxx recently gave a presentation to the incoming rookies on the Denver Broncos and asked how many players had ever filed a tax return. “Only one raised his hand. "" .... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-jock-tax-and-why-a-professional-athletes-tax-form-can-be-as-big-as-a-bible-2016-07-27?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 5:16 pm EST

RF every time you bring up Nash are you going to bring that shite up? It wasn't an Eric Lindros like hit stop with the bullshit excuses already, its like you're his PR guy or something. Never saw a guy play with such little heart and you back him endlessly.

York18


Wed Jul 27 2016 5:09 pm EST

5-6 year trade evaluations usually get lost in the nhl shuffle...the nyr need to retool their roster supposedly, while trying to get prospects or picks....but the roster is job 1....playoff $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:54 pm EST

pete: They actually wind up saving money this year as Brassard's salary is lower than what Zibanejad will be making this year (even though his overall cap hit is higher). Also, Ottawa has been looking for a lefty center to feed the puck to their right wingers for a while. They also pick up a guy who is a good locker room presence and who is a proven playoff performer. It was a trade that made sense to them, even though I believe the Rangers won the deal.

evets1980


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:52 pm EST

I think Brass brings big game experience and know how. And Z is still looking for that consistency. I think Ottawa won that round short term but in long term? The NYR just strengthened their pivots. Whether that will be next season or 1-2 away.

E


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:51 pm EST

Hospo, as far as trades. You need to give 5-6 years to judge them. So far, prospects drafted with picks that we got back, look very promising. Let's wait and see.

andrei


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:47 pm EST

E veenyo doesn't care what wing you produce at, you play where he thinks and wants you to....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:44 pm EST

I've been trying to figure out why Ottawa made the deal for Brassard. I was a big fan of his, but in Brass, they got a much older, more expensive, slightly more productive player that plays the same position. What is the upside for them?

pete


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:39 pm EST

So if Kreiders minutes is carried over onto the ice, one of two things will happen. 1) He will be a beast, and one of the top PF's in the NHL, even if its not points wise, he will be a guy no team wants to gameplay for. or 2) he will set a record for most PIMs in a season for the Rangers. He said he wants to play a big mans game and wants to be a bully on the ice. I like the attitude, but it needs to be carried forward on the ice, and need to be handled properly and applied the right way.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:37 pm EST

Fish and gorton fisboy are friends....maybe went to a school of fish together....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:34 pm EST

andrei - Man, do we disagree on Gorton.....I think except for the ZIBA trade and the signing of Stalberg, the rest of his moves and have pretty much sucked...(Talbt, Hagelin, Stool, Diaz, Staal, the keeping of AV, not to mentionn the dumpster diving of this summer)....But, I really liked the ZIBA especially if it is followed by a few more mart moves.....If it's followed by nothing, there was no point and the team should just pack it in...

Hospo


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:24 pm EST

Rumor Roundup: (2nd part talks about, ""KANE in the ass, moron"" ... Oilers not done trying to shop Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ...Throughout 2015-16, Edmonton Oilers center Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was a fixture in the NHL trade rumor mill. Entering this off-season, the 22-year-old was considered the Oiler most likely to be dealt this summer, preumably for a top-four defenseman. Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli pulled a swerve, however, shipping Taylor Hall in late June to the New Jersey Devils for blueliner Adam Larsson. Since then, the Nugent-Hopkins speculation has cooled. The Edmonton Journal’s Jim Matheson notes the trade chatter had the young center linked to Colorado Avalanche blueliner Tyson Barrie and Minnesota Wild rearguard Matt Dumba. With the Wild signing free agent Eric Staal, Matheson suggests they’re likely no longer in the hunt for depth at center. That doesn’t mean talk among NHL fans of a deal involving Nugent-Hopkins between the Oilers and Wild has fully died out. The latest had him packaged with left winger Benoit Pouliot in exchange for Dumba and left winger Jason Zucker. A big problem with this rumor, however, is the Wild only have around $4.7 million in salary-cap space. They’re unable to take on the combined $10 milion salary-cap hit of Nugent-Hopkins and Pouliot. Sure, Chiarelli could absorb a big portion of it, but it’s doubtful he’ll do that. For his part, Nugent-Hopkins tells Matheson he’s not paying much attention to the rumors. “If it happens, it happens,” he said. EVANDER KANE TRADE SPECULATION HEATS UP Buffalo Sabres left winger Evander Kane was charged last Friday by Buffalo police with a misdemeanor count of criminal mischief and four counts of non-criminal harrassment. The charges stem from an incident in a Buffalo bar on June 24. If the 24-year-old is found guilty, he won’t face jail time. The Buffalo News’ Jerry Sullivan believes this incident raises questions over Kane’s character. Noting Sabres GM Tim Murray defended the troubled winger after acquiring him in a February 2015 trade with the Winnipeg Jets, Sullivan suggests Kane’s recent actions casts Murray in a bad light. He also reports there were rumors during the 2016 NHL draft last month in Buffalo claiming the Sabres wanted to trade Kane. NBC Sports’ Jason Brough cited a report by TSN 1040 Vancouver’s Matt Sekeres claiming the Sabres could trade Kane if they can sign prospect Jimmy Vesey. Acquired from the Nashville Predators in a trade earlier this year, the 23-year-old Vesey’s rights are held by the Sabres until Aug. 15, when he becomes eligible for unrestricted free agency. If the Sabres re-sign Vesey, the thinking is he could take Kane’s place on the roster. Failing that, Brough speculates Kane could be dealt. He notes Murray’s recent admission he’s losing patience with Kane, as well as the GM’s suggestion prospect Alex Nylander could crack the lineup this season. Should the Sabres shop Kane, the Vancouver Sun’s Ben Kuzma suggests the Canucks kick the tires. While acknowledging the winger’s recent legal issues, he feels the Vancouver native could be the second-line scoring winger GM Jim Benning is looking for. On Tuesday, THN looked at other potential trade destinations. The 6-foot-2, 204-pound Kane is a physical forward with good offensive skills, exceeding 40 points three times and tallying 30 goals in 2011-12. Injuries, however, have so far hampered his efforts to reach his full potential. Factor in his legal troubles and $5.25-million annual cap hit through 2017-18, it seems unlikely the Canucks – or anyone else – will take the gamble.

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 4:10 pm EST

mf, you can read between the lines. It's a common sense and simple asset management. Rangers feel that last season (this was stated multiple times by Gordon) for Nash was a down season, sort of abnormality, for multiple reasons and that team feels that next season he will be back to his norm. Based on that, Rangers are fully expect a top return for Nash and if there is no reason to pick part of his salary. Another word, Rangers are not interested in pure pick/prospect trade for Nash. If Brass trade has any indication, they want a younger roster player as a main chip in a trade, plus a pick (secondary) and if Rangers were to pick up some salary, return needs to be overwhelming, which we all know is not coming any time soon. Idea to pick salary would be counter productive, if a younger player is coming back. Idea is to gain cap flexibility. I think, we as Rangers fan, hugely underestimate Gordon. So far, every thing that Gordon has done, made sense to me. Every trade so far, will prove to be a winner, in a long run. Put E. Stall trade aside. Trade was maid to give another shot for a cup run. We already recouped one 2nd rounder back in a Brass trade. I'm sure, more picks will be coming in a course of the next two years.

andrei


Wed Jul 27 2016 3:41 pm EST

andrei: where is it stated that the Rangers would NOT eat part of Nash's salary in a trade? And, common sense says that the more salary we are willing to eat on any of the three contracts, the higher the return in trade....

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 3:39 pm EST

Andrei: your 1st sentence is praising Nash’s trade value, then 4 or 5 sentences into your post you state that, ““Currently Nash’s value is down due to his performance last season and fact that he has two years remaining on his contract and that Rangers are not willing to pick up part of his contract, based on the return value offered by other teams.”” I happen to feel that unless we’re trading Nash at the trade-deadline to a team who feels that Nash is the missing piece to winning it all, That his trade value is not going to undulate all that much providing he is healthy….. As for Staal & Girardi, I feel their trade values are what they are & also won’t change much from now, and again maybe you get a little more out of a team at the trade deadline…… The mentality of the GM’s have changed in that they are seeking younger athletes and signing them to longer term contracts early on foregoing “bridge deals” which Sather was famous for… IMO, we need to get younger now as this is unfolding to be a true transition year for the NY Rangers roster…. I say we reduce the risk and trade these 3 based upon their current market “trade value” and their value as Rangers…. Just an opinion

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 3:37 pm EST

Kane? How many LW do we want to displace???

E


Wed Jul 27 2016 3:20 pm EST

mf, 100% disagree with you. If Nash was a UFA, on July 1st teams would have lined up, offering 5-6 year contracts right now, ranging between 6-7 mil. Same for Stall. Teams would have offered 4-5 year contracts at the 5 mil range. Girardi would have signed for 4 years, 4 mil per. Every player in NHL has a value. Difference is a trade value. Wear and tear has a little bearing on the contract when player is 30. It is a much higher impact when player is 35. We could agree to disagree on Nash's value, but it is a fact that Nash would have being viewed as one of the top UFA's weeks ago, had he was a UFA. What i'm talking about is a trade value, and how much a potential trade partner is willing to give up, assets wise. Currently, Nash's value is low due to his performance last season and fact that he has two years remaining on his contract and that Rangers are not willing to pick up part of his contract, based on the return value offered by other teams. That was my point. Return value will increase next season, simply become he will be a pending UFA. Nash's value will be the highest at the trade line of the 2018, Simply look what Eric Staal had brought in, considering that Rangers were the only team he was willing to go to. Nash is still considered to be an elite scorer, regardless on how we see him as a Ranger. Defense-men always maintain premium value. No matter how much we don't like G-man, Girardi still have a high value in NHL. He might not be a 1st line d-man any longer, but if he was a Hawk, and playing on the 2nd line, he will be just fine, logging 12-15 minutes a game. You seems to forget, Girardi simply does not miss games. Nothing in his game would indicate that he is breaking down. Issue with the Rangers, that he was used in role, that he is no longer capable playing. That's said, teams scouting reporting shows that and any team interested in G-man service would know how they should utilize him properly.

andrei


Wed Jul 27 2016 3:18 pm EST

schneidw: we disagree on reclamation candidates: Kane has all the implications of a "toxic stock!" His value has diminished greatly, you may get a "dead cat bounce," but the downtrend will return.... Would it surprise anyone hear when the next piece of bad news comes public naming this guy? Not me, this kid has herpes, no kissy! ..... Next: Want a reclamation project: NAIL YAKUPOV.... Classic needs a change of scenery with huge upside... Edmonton would probably throw him in in a trade or eat some of his $2.5mill salary..... Another reclamation target was & still might be STL "MAGNUS PAAJARVI" who is playing to save or revitalize his career..... Have we traded T.Glass yet???

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 3:09 pm EST

As constructed, if we can roll 3 lines of solid 2nd line talent & a forth line, I can see us as very competitive... I feel we need to settle on acquiring some "additional players which are legitimate top 2nd line players," unless of course Gorton can orchestrate better.........

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 2:51 pm EST

-Arc - I hear ya, and I would love to have another real top 3 or top 6 froward...As is, we're just going to have to hope that guys like MILLER, KREIDER, ZIBA AND HAYES (even Stepan) take huge leaps....Not out of the question, but....it's wishing for alot

Hospo


Wed Jul 27 2016 2:49 pm EST

Andrei: I’ll do my best to answer chronologically without too much a.d.d. dyslexia….. 1st & this is a fact: there is a degree of risk in holding a position…. This may seem ambiguous or abstract but it’s applicable….. Holding onto Nash, Staal & Girardi, at their ages, wear & tear, injury history is risk, and I don’t read that you’re taking this into account in your summation. IMO each year that a player ages in their high 20’s & early 30’s carry more weight than the previous year in decline of productivity in their all around performance and the chance of injury increases. Much of what you state I agree with, I just think you haven’t spelled this out…… As for doubling production, I could envision this with a guy like Kreider blowing the doors open, a McDavid, a top 10 youngster finding his game reaching his prime years, but look at the ages of a Marc Staal (concussion & eye injury) & of Rick Nash (concussions & a recent severe bone bruise, possibly a micro fracture in the knee which is a bitch to heal) and the players surrounding them & no way do I see a doubling of production out of these guys……. You take all these factors, put em in a pot and stir it around and my conclusion is we cut bait on all three…. “Like I told you, what I said” (;-) they eat $19mill (26% of the cap) trade em, get players, picks, prospects, younger, faster, less expensive, retool, reboot, rebuild,and move on…… and for your enjoyment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrE91or7z1w

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 2:22 pm EST

Mf- that my freind is the secret to being a successful club (buying low and seeking hinge). It seems pretty obvious but so was the advice to Jon Snow. Unfortunately historically speaking we've been at the other end of the spectrum. Hospo- I get where ur comn from (better support from the back end will have an additive effect on all the forwards). My issue is that we don't have any legit 1st line guys ( save for Nash). The rest are good decent 2-3rd liners on a good winning team (Chi, Pitt). You know it's like trying to cover up shit smell with glad. It just smells awkward. I don't think that analogy worked. But u get my drift

_Arc


Wed Jul 27 2016 2:20 pm EST

mf, i disagree with you on the Nash and Stall's returns. Players value is flexible on monthly bases, depending, first of all, on his stats and then a secondary, on his contact status. What i mean, is that say, right now, Nash's value is low, based on his stats last season and on the fact that he is making 7 mil with 2 years left. Say right now, his trade return is a 2nd rounder and good prospect, or a good young roster player and a low draft pick. Plus Rangers will need to pick up part of his salary. Even Nash has same stats next season, his overall value will increase, only on a fact that he will a year away from UFA and teams will be betting that his stats will improve in his contact year. Let's take a step further. Let's assume that he is healthy, and that he will have slightly better stats next season. His overall value will double up next off-season, simply because he will show the improvements and that his a year away from UFA. Let's take a step further, his highest value will be during the trade deadline of 2018, when to trade for Nash, teams will need to cough up the top prospect and at least a 1st rounder, maybe even a 2nd rounder, to boot. Same with Staal. In his contact year, if he is still a decent player, his return will be a high ranking prospect and a high draft pick. This is a reason why Nash and Staal are still with the Rangers. Gordon knows the prospect pipeline well enough to know that Nash's and Staals replacements are not ready to step in and make contributions to the current lineup and selling low, makes no business sense in the long run. All he has to do a wait a year and get a much better return next season.

andrei


Wed Jul 27 2016 1:25 pm EST

Schneidw / Rhet: t/y for the refocus of the terms of Girardi's contract..... The fact that his contract clause changes at the end of next season may make him more acceptable to relocate sooner.... Here's hoping so... FTR: I don't dislike G, just think for the betterment of the team that it's time to move him....

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 1:19 pm EST

On the topic of buying low & selling high.... The time to have traded Nash was at the end of the season before last.. The guy had 69 points (42) of which were goals and he had just turned 30........ Yes 20/20 is hindsight but a few of us here, including mf had posted on the subject....... IMO, and I see signs with the Zibanejad trade that Gorton has been “”focused on the return in trades”” that the Rangers have & not received....... In the current environment the returns on guys like Nash, Staal, & Girardi, are in all likelihood not going to rise, the returns are likely to diminish, which is a strong case for moving them now........ IMO moving all 3 "IS" the thing to do & do it asap. We are relatively prepared on the LHS D with HOLDEN to step in for Staal, (freeing up $4mill of cap margin) and we have 2 pillars on the RHS D in Klein & McIlrath to build on...... Clearly the RH D’man chosen to fill Girardi’s spot will be the icing on the cake for the back 6, so, that said, “who do you really want back there?” ……………… As for the offensive production & attention that NASH commands from the opposing defense when he's on the ice & his play on the defensive side of the puck, sure I'm concerned about the hole created, but when you consider that his head has been basically injury free, he's 32, costs $7.8mill per, the likely diminishing return on trade as he gets older, and our need to reshape the roster, me thinks it’s time to part company.... As I've posted several times, Jiri Hudler can be had for a song and IMO could serve as a 1 or 2 year stop-gap who historically has contributed 40 points per +/- per season......... Girardi, Staal, & Nash consume $19 million dollars of the Cap…. That is 26% of the cap….. They are all good seasoned players with playoff experience with value.. Theoretically we should be able to get a RHS D’man, prospects, picks, younger, less expensive, & faster on defense in return…. Is the team currently lacking in top 3 talent? I think yes, but that’s for another post……

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 1:03 pm EST

Adam Vingan ‏@AdamVingan ..... The Predators sign defenseman Matt Carle to a one-year, $700,000 contract

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 12:47 pm EST

MF.... Girardi does have a NMC through the course of his deal, but after this season the NTC portion of his contract turns into a Modified NTC where he has to provide a list of 15 teams that he's be willing to accept a trade to.... http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1376

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 12:39 pm EST

schneidw: where are you reading that Girardi's NMC changes ? I See that Staal's NMC converts to an NTC at the end of the 2017/2018 season, but Girardi has an NMC throughout according to GeneralFanager.... http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers

mf


Wed Jul 27 2016 12:29 pm EST

SCHNEID: Last season, without Nash Rangers went 16-6; with him 30-21-9.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jul 27 2016 12:12 pm EST

Maybe we do have a shot at Vesey......Per Craig Custance.... the Rangers should be one of the teams in the running for Jimmy Vesey on August 15th and noted that his agent Peter Fish has a very strong relationship with Jeff Gorton. (ESPN Insider) Fish says that he knows Gorton very well and has a lot of respect for him and added that whenever he has a free agent at any level Jeff is one of "the first people that I call." (ESPN Insider) Fish also represented and remains close with Rangers director of player development Chris Drury. (ESPN Insider) Vesey is said to be very good friends with Kevin Hayes. It's been reported that the Rangers plan to be all in for Vesey if/when he becomes a free agent on 8/15. Other teams believed to be favorites for Vesey include the Sabres, Bruins, Maple Leafs and Blackhawks. (ESPN Insider) Factors such as "the fit," city, coaching staff and future of the team are all things that Vesey will consider while making his choice.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 11:31 am EST

GORTON: Nobody is saying it... the fact is NYRs are in a rebuild on the fly mode and anybody over 28YO needs to be looking over their shoulder... Girardi NMC changes after this year...

schneidw


Wed Jul 27 2016 11:30 am EST

RF4L- Yes, I am advocating Kane... I believe he is a reclamation project that will pay dividends... buy low/sell high... if BUFF is willing to trade him for Nash and other pieces... I am listening intently... Kane is 24YO, has good size, a nasty streak, forechecks HARD, and has good hands... He obviously has issues with drinking that need to be considered in the trade value... because I realize there is risk to dealing with him if he flames out... Then again, Nash is 32YO, slow as molasses, takes nnearly $8M of cap space and is one hit to the head away from retirement... I like Nash... its just that those risk factors are worse than taking on Kane IMHO...

schneidw


Wed Jul 27 2016 11:30 am EST

Chris Kreider said that "hopefully" he is just scratching the surface with his game. (NHL.com) He said that his mindset is to get better "every single day" and that if you aren't improving as a player "there's no point in doing it." (NHL.com) On the NHL Network recently, Scott Gomez asked Kreider about what he wanted to improve on and Kreider said "for me it's about getting to the net on a consistent basis" taking the body, creating space for himself and his teammates and "getting to that blue paint." Craig Button said earlier in the offseason that Kreider may not have the finishing skills to be an elite scorer. Dave Maloney has said that Kreider is a better player when he plays a simple game. Kreider has said before that "when you think, you stink."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 11:20 am EST

HOSPO: You ask a great question.. one that I have been curious myself but don't know how to get the information... specifically, what is the NYR record with and without (injured) Rick Nash...

schneidw


Wed Jul 27 2016 10:21 am EST

SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre ..... The @PredsNHL have signed forward Calle Jarnkrok to a six-year, $12 million deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 9:30 am EST

RF4L - see your point but, really, how much did Nash impact the offense the last two years..And our PP was only midling last year, and now you take away the top Boyle and Yandle? You have to find somebody to bolster the PP and make it better...But, your concern of trading Nash is valid....WHy I (and others) have suggested a bigger deal where we also get a forward back..Might nt be doable but....We'll see..

Hospo


Wed Jul 27 2016 9:18 am EST

I'm having difficulty seeing how the addition of Shittenkirk and the subtraction of Nash equates to more offense for the Rangers. Yes Nash has under achieved, save for 2 years ago from October to when he got pummelled by Bogosian, but he still generates offensive chances relatively regularly (until PO time).

RF4L


Wed Jul 27 2016 9:16 am EST

ARC - Disagree..I think as is our forwards will be fine as far as scoring....My worry is that, just like last year, they will suck defensively and lead to a total breakdown in team defense..Show over.And adding somebody like BUCH to the top 9 and keeping HAYES will make it even worse,,...However, I agree that if we deal NASH for an offensive D-man,it will affect the offense...However, the main problem with the offense will be lack of help from the backline at ES and the PP...We need that player..But, to cover your concernn, maybe it could be a bigger deal where we also give up a D-man and get another forward back?

Hospo


Wed Jul 27 2016 9:01 am EST

Tyson Barrie's Arbitration hearing is this Friday and he might actually get there..... According to Elliotte Friedman of Hockey Night in Canada, the Avalanche are offering a two year deal that would clock in at just over $4 million per season, paying out a flat $4 million the first year and $4.25 million the second year. Barrie, on the other hand, is requesting a one year deal worth $6 million. With the two sides almost two million apart in their demands, it seems hard to imagine that a deal will get struck ahead of arbitration – which puts the Avalanche in an interesting situation.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 27 2016 8:58 am EST

Not sure about many of you guys but to me the main prob going into this year is going to be scoring from our forwards. I get that shattner Kirk is going to give a little boost from the back end but I'm not sure that would offset what we give up from the forward line to get him here (?NASHER?). Like someone said already having Henke to an extent mitigates the defensive end already and we have an inordinate portion of the cap tied to the D as it is. Just think it's a dumb move. Jmo

_Arc


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