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Mon Dec 22 2014 3:31 am EST

Six wins in a row ?!? FIRE SATHER

Messier11


Mon Dec 22 2014 1:03 am EST

Talbot 3 wins, 3 shutouts. Ok; dancin with myself here so, minyana.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 22 2014 12:56 am EST

Rangers are 17-10-4 which gives them the sum total of 38 points. Played 31 games and have 51 games remaining. 4 games remaining in December, 12 games in January, 14 games in February, 15 games in March and 5 games in April. With a magic # around 94 points to clinch a playoff berth, the NYR's need 56 more points which would equate to a 28-23 record for the rest of the season.

TradeStar28


Mon Dec 22 2014 12:01 am EST

Any one of D. Moore, Glass, Hayes even Fast wouldnt die from a night off. Stemp too though hes out anyway. Perfect time to give someone a look, start prepping black aces. Even Mueller deserved more games I thought. One more guy steps in like Fast & Miller & we're cruisin. Personally I think Haggerty, spotted right, could bring the PP alive. But really anybody right now, or maybe after Xmas.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 11:11 pm EST

I think last two games theyve had as full a lineup as all year. But 6 straight, no reason a Haggerty or Lindberg or Malone cant get a look coming up here, with Duke gone. UNLESS theyre sure none of those guys can help 2nd half. Stempers out a few more too.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 10:56 pm EST

Another squeaky win. But a win is a win is a win. Better (DUH!) than a blowing it. Might be time for MSL to have a maintenance day/game. Invisible for almost the entire game again. Nash is so on his game that his mates are having trouble keeping up - lately so many of his passes are catching his mates by surprise.

RF4L


Sun Dec 21 2014 9:47 pm EST

Actually we did get another across the line, and last night Ward ripped his mask off and got gifted. So we spotted them both games and swept. Think its like 14 of 15 from Canes.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 9:43 pm EST

Our goals against continue to decline & are 2.484 gapg. This is the lowest we've been at all season. Got to hold every opponent to 2 goals or fewer and we should be just fine..

mf


Sun Dec 21 2014 9:39 pm EST

Yeah. But think only one of last 6 PO team. We should score more.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 9:27 pm EST

This IS Talbot with another goose egg, right? Dont car e who its against, its an nhl shutout....if they can hang on for 5 torturous minutes, which they never can ;),

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 8:44 pm EST

Miller just beat McClement on a face off....

Messier11


Sun Dec 21 2014 8:34 pm EST

Yeah Stevie, that's the one.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 8:28 pm EST

I think,it's absolutely ridiculous not to have Zucc on the 1st PP unit....AAMOF I would simply use the Brass-Zucc-Nash line as 1st PP unit.

JFC31


Sun Dec 21 2014 8:21 pm EST

Is that the same msl who is 3-12 in last 13 games or so if I remember correctly reading and posting that recently....?......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:58 pm EST

On Marty. I agree that he is not playing well and almost looks lost or at least a step behind. Passes are crisp at all and no finish. Extend him for a year maybe but if we win the cup this year it was worth the trade!

rngrsans


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:57 pm EST

"The Grate One Carp, great review as always. I don’t agree on point number 6 though. According to the rulebook the play shouldn’t have been stopped while the Rangers had the puck and there was an impending scoring chance. Here it is from section 9.5 of the rulebook: “When a goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask and his team has possession of the puck, the play shall be stopped immediately to allow the goalkeeper the opportunity to regain his helmet and/or face mask. When the opposing team has possession of the puck, play shall only be stopped if there is no immediate and impending scoring opportunity. This stoppage of play must be made by the Referee. When play is stopped because the goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask, the ensuing face-off shall take place at one of the defending team’s end zone face-off spots. When a goalkeeper deliberately removes his helmet and/or face mask in order to secure a stoppage of play, the Referee shall stop play as outlined above and in this case assess the goalkeeper a minor penalty for delaying the game. If the goalkeeper deliberately removes his helmet and/or face mask when the opposing team is on a breakaway, the Referee shall award a penalty shot to the non-offending team. If the goalkeeper deliberately removes his helmet and/or face mask during the course of a penalty shot or shootout attempt, the Referee shall award a goal to the non-offending team.” ... "

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:53 pm EST

NN Rules! Notice Rangers back-peddling via Brooksie on MSL They cant sign him longer than one year just cause of what they gave up for him. 1-yr incentive-laden deal. Hopefully they keep walking it back to 'thanks for playing'.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:49 pm EST

Is MSL playing? He's been invisible lately.

ilya


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:17 pm EST

As a guy who takes 120 flights a year, you can't beat Hockeysteams.com for under $100 a year to get DVR'd or Live games for all the NYR and Hartford Games plus World Jrs, etc and every other game out there. It destroys the NHL Center Ice package with its DVR nature.

SurfCityRanger


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:16 pm EST

Stream for tonight's game..http://blabseal.de/rangers/

DOUBLEN


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:15 pm EST

Try First Row Sports.eu

SurfCityRanger


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:03 pm EST

CAR-NYR tonight: Does anybody know of a stream for those of us outside the MSG network? THX! WHS

schneidw


Sun Dec 21 2014 6:45 pm EST

Yes false accusations As in slander and libel.... It's spelled whining ... you're good at it... Wow a nob ... You got me .... impressive...I need a shovel to stoop to your level.... You were so right about Nash too.... And the pick sather got ot in that deal .... He will be here soon....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 6:23 pm EST

Cam's the man tonight apparently. Good, win or lose. BTW, only 4th time in franchise history Rangers swept 4-game west coast swing. Cause Im just full of statistical goodness today.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 6:09 pm EST

hahaha...'false accusations?' Keep on winning, stevienob.

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 5:26 pm EST

pretty good at making false accusations with no proof, and trying to be condescending, while thinking you're a maven.... but then again you are the BIGGEST......in your mind......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 4:36 pm EST

Oh and since you asked, the Jackets are 5-1 since DUBINSKY returned. Among those wins, they beat the Hawks, Pens, and Detroit. Their only loss was by one goal to the Caps. So I guess he's doing pretty good!

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 4:28 pm EST

stevielegs - Most of the time, I just don't bother with your posts. There's seldom anything of substance unless I count your smarmy attitude, which I don't...but if you want to drop your schtick for a minute and talk hockey, I can(and already have) clearly explain my point...First of all, wasn't long ago when people here were saying I was wrong...and in your case...making fun of me...for saying TALBOT could make the NHL...And like usually, it was a case of few here bothering to watch the kid play...but I didn't care...just like when you were making up names for McDonagh when I was saying he was NHL-ready and the caliber of defenseman we need on our blueline...what was it you were calling him? Never mind. Back to Talbot: I've said my piece...I see him as a very good...if not one of the best backup goalies in the league...and I have no doubt he could split duties with another solid goaltender...But be a top net minder? Skating 60-plus games? I don't see it. My opinion. Obviously, you disagree. You've made no mention WHY you disagree, just busted out in your usual gibberish...so I'll leave it at that...I'm in too good of a mood to get in a flame war.

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 3:55 pm EST

guess you missed it, but I knew that would happen. ..... post was too big for you.....and without capitals. totally confusing for you.....let's see you are Talbots BIGGEST supporter, and don't think he could be a starter in the nhl on any team.....that's a real BIG supporter....say your prayers hank doesn't get the mumps or worse.......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 3:27 pm EST

Also, as I catch up on the news, James Neal is the first player fined for diving under the new rule, and 22 other players have been warned.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 3:24 pm EST

'Happy stats'

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 3:23 pm EST

Two more happy ; Rangers 4-6-0 when trailing after two periods. That's huge to be able to comeback like that, 2nd best in NHL. and PK is killing' it, 14 of last 15 and 24 of last 27 last 9 games.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 3:01 pm EST

stevie, stevie...really should really bridle that anger... And maybe learn how to use a caps button. Or speak complete sentences. Or make a point that is worth reading and not just some smarmy remark...But I digress.

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 3:00 pm EST

Boys, boys.....play nice ;) don't look now, but we've got ourselves some winning ways; 5 straight, 7-2 last 9, 9-3 last 12, 15-7-4 last 26.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 2:51 pm EST

td you assume a lot.. and are incorrect with it...is miller a center a right wing or a left wing. shouldn't he be on the 1st line getting 20 minutes? maybe you want him sent back to get his minutes? .....if this is not coherent I can try it slower for you ..... try harder to make yourself superior..... there is no bigger than you. ....now Talbot on another team would be like Marty on another team?......how would hank do on another team?..... innuendos ....insinuations...I'm not impressed.....post whatever you conjure up......good thing you're not Talbot's agent......but you could be miller's, and Sather would have fun with you.....you are smarter than him , hockey wise or otherwise, aren't you ?......sure almost sounds like that to me......but than again I might not be able to comprehend , or match wits with the big you.....how's dubi doin?.....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:57 pm EST

RF4L - I've always found TALBOT to be a fundamentally sound goalie and when he became the Pack/Whale's top netminder, he certainly rose to the occasion...that was a pretty bad team too, from what I remember...and for much of his career, college and AHL, he was used to being hung out to dry...but I think his stellar play with the Rangers also relies on the monster defense that's in front of him...If you took Talbot and put him on Edmonton, I'm not so sure he'd fare well...but in a situation where he was platooning with someone? I bet he'd make a nice tandem...regardless, the Rangers have a VERY good prospect in Mack SKAPSKI and, a few years down the road, HALVERSON. Eventually, if it hasn't already, Talbot's play is going to eclipse the pittance of salary he is and will be making...Glad he resigned for the year and I'd wager it's his last. There's surely a club out there that will pay more than $1.4 million for a goalie of his caliber. Whether it's as a starter or not...that remains to be seen.

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:48 pm EST

haha, stevielegs...I just love it when you get steamed...burns you up every time Miller scores, I know. Don't worry. One of these days you'll put a coherent thought together and say something worth posting.

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:20 pm EST

Flames are crazy to not have retired Fleury's or MacInnis' numbers. They'll never have better players. slap in the face of those players, and the fans

Messier11


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:19 pm EST

I think Cam Ward learned that sketchy knock your own helmet off trick from Roloson in the 2006 Finals. That guy seemed to lose his lid once a game, usually when the Oil were under severe duress.

LeoS


Sun Dec 21 2014 12:54 pm EST

td there is no bigger prize than you.....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 12:52 pm EST

TD: Thoughtful post on Talbot. Does he have the goods to be a number 1 goalie? It's really impossible to say right now - such a small sample size that even he recognizes that. But by signing another 1 year deal, is he postponing the inevitable? By that I mean, fast forward to the summer of 16 (assuming he doesn't sign another deal with the Rangers) is there any reason to expect that question to be made clearer? In other words, the King is likely to continue to get the majority of the starts, at least for the next few years. Of course, there's always the chance the King gets hurt - he's not exactly ancient, but by then will be pushing 34 and if the Rangers have another deep PO run this spring, that's a lot of games under his belt. Sooner or later the body starts to break down at least slightly. I suppose he could sign with a team with a less dominant number 1. One thing: He gets a nice bump in pay next year, which certainly must feel good.

RF4L


Sun Dec 21 2014 12:05 pm EST

Ryan Malone with a goal in Pack's 2-1 OT win. Someone named Brandon Mersky says Malone had strong weekend games, says Lindberg very good as well. Did Hayes do anything I missed last night? And Ill say this for Miller, who I thought I saw get dumped on his head at ghe blueline. Surprised to see he got only 11mins. But thats the way to make'm count.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 11:32 am EST

stevielegs - Aren't you just a prize!

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 11:27 am EST

wow the wall has the biggest miller and Talbot supporter all rolled up in one poster....amazing......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 10:54 am EST

There's no bigger TALBOT supporter than I, but I gotta say: The thought that he'd be a number one net minder in the NHL is fairly remote. IMO, it would take a team with a very strong defense for anyone to take that chance...As a backup, he's one of the best...and I could see a team doing a tandem with him...but to expect him to shoulder a team for 60-plus games a year? I don't know...that team would be taking a very large leap of faith. Most he's ever started in his career is 55 games and that was in the AHL...great goalie, but starter? I don't know aboot that....

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 10:47 am EST

Since the Oil were a topic of conversation recently, here's an interesting read...sort of a 'what-if'...writer is a Hawks fan, but makes an interesting case for what the Oilers would look like today, had they taken some risky-but-well-reasoned moves...namely drafting SEGUIN over HALL and LANDESKOG over RNH. Goes against traditional drafting logic, where you take the best possible player...but at the time, the talent disparity between first and second overall was fairly minimal...another interesting thought would be what the Bruins would look like with Hall in their lineup, since he didn't develop any of the habits that ultimately lead to Seguin's premature exit from Boston.

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 10:38 am EST

mf - He did! And I got to say, he looked verrrrrrry uncomfortable scoring that goal...

tdchi


Sun Dec 21 2014 9:04 am EST

Not sure who'll need a starter in two years, Mess. Dallas is first in goals against right now, saw some rumblings they want help. EDM. St Lou, if they had to pull Brodeur out of line at Burger King, maybe they don't find someone next year. Carolina, Ward makes a lot of bread and has been getting hurt, supposedly Francis was going to cut him loose. Pittsburgh might wake up & want an option to Fleury one of these days. There's usually a job out there for a real good goalie.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 8:50 am EST

Dave Maloney has called monster nash the most complete player in the league. He plays on pk and sometimes on pp.. This coach veenyo is frog headed... Especially with the pp.... Klien deserves more than the less than 4 minutes on the pp.... Him and ah-kneel need to make a 3 rd pp unit and let them practice it... Maybe they would stop giving up points by winning more especially in regulation time....what beat writer is going to ask veenyo why no Klein on the pp and why isn't nash the top pp minute player on his team ?.... He only gets it with hank and treats the prince like a spare part.... Calling him Pigheaded is an insult to pigs....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 8:10 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/fleury-overdue-for-recognition-by-flames/

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:47 am EST

“I haven’t really been able to play that many games where maybe I can go out there and a team would even look at me as a starter,” Talbot said. “I might go to market and I might get the same opportunity somewhere else.” Instead, Talbot was looking forward to another year as Lundqvist’s apprentice, and working with esteemed goalie coach Benoit Allaire. But it has not entirely squashed his eventual goal. “That’s always on your mind — every goalie wants to have a chance to compete for a starting job at some point,” Talbot said. “I think this makes sense for both sides.”

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 7:45 am EST

Lundqvist harumphed around his own net after that Skinner goal, saying later he “made a mistake there and it could have cost us.” But it didn’t, at least not in points gained, as defenseman Kevin Klein continued his unforeseen rise to offensive contributor with a seeing-eye wrist shot from 57 feet that beat the sharp Cam Ward and tied the game 2-2 with just 2:23 remaining in regulation. “Hank has bailed us out — bailed me out — every game, every day,” said Klein, now with a shocking seven goals. “So to get that back for him, and then he did a great job in the shootout, so that’s nice.”

stevielegs


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:42 am EST

RR - which team is going to sign Talbot to start?

Messier11


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:39 am EST

Hopefully Skapski or Malcolm can make the jump after next season.

Messier11


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:35 am EST

The thing idk people dont realize Mess is Talbot is 6-3; he's one of this newer breed that's big & learned to be bigger by playing a super economical game - and he's real good with the puck, thereby saving himself tons of grief. I'd guess last year was no fluke, he had a solid sampling of games and sparkled at times. ; he's shown flashes of it this year. Just minimize rebounds and be square and hope your team is good on draws. I wouldn't want to see him leave.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 21 2014 1:16 am EST

Talbot probably should have taken a note from all the good goalies left on the outside this season. Its hard to get a starting job in this league, you have to be one of the top thirty goaltenders in the world. I don't know that Talbot can make that jump this year or next.

Messier11


Sun Dec 21 2014 12:54 am EST

Now JT is a wizard. He had brain cramps earlier but hey, we needed that goal tonight. He's been scoring, but that's a big one and a nice one. Even though it didn't last. OK, Boyle's not improving yet from what I saw. Sha-ky. Thing is, its not so much the D where I notice it, but offensively. Just not sure-handed, but maybe breaking a hand does that.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:44 pm EST

Anyone know where Rhet0ric is??? Haven't seen him here in weeks...

mf


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:35 pm EST

Hits tonight: Girardi with 7, Zuccarello with 6, Klein with 5, Kreider and Fast with 4.

Messier11


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:34 pm EST

When theres a one-on-one with Ovechkin or the like, you want Staal, not Klein.

Messier11


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:27 pm EST

So I'm curious....if you had to make a choice right now between Staal vs KK in terms of who goes, who would it be?

RF4L


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:21 pm EST

Just got back from the game......I have nothing more to add....just want everyone to know that i got home safe and sound.

TradeStar28


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:11 pm EST

Sweet...nice win...a MUST WIN....against a crap Carolina team....looks like the Staal Brothers are going down hill fast including Marc.....if you want to trade anybody he's the guy that goes.

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:58 pm EST

canes better drop the envelope off to the ref for the point they didn't deserve....not that the nyr did most of that game.....they still have a hard time getting the puck out of their own end.....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:47 pm EST

There you go Hank....Solid again in SO....That's a winner.......

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:44 pm EST

This faceoff thing is getting ridiculous...Awful in OT....Never had the puck....

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:41 pm EST

No Klien in ot? Might score again? Don't want to show up the coach...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:32 pm EST

Good thing no delay of game penalty because Klien would have been on the bench. Why? Somebody ask veenyo... Maybe they want a sleeper pp... They have that... And veenyo won't put Klien on the pp now.... Why? Because he says no....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:28 pm EST

Klein!!!....Nice play by Kreider....

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:28 pm EST

Kleinmiester

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:27 pm EST

Is Toronto on Xmas vacation? Is there an off ice supervisor ?

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:25 pm EST

2 refs agree to be stupid and uphold a blown call... The puck was in before he took his mask off../

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:23 pm EST

What a joke...Player safety my ass....They don't blow the whistle when players get hurt....

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:21 pm EST

McD lets skinner go by him to take the weak shot... Knock him off the puck or take the puck away instead holding his water....:

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:16 pm EST

They can't review this? WTF

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:15 pm EST

So the goalie takes his helmet off to prevent a goal?

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:15 pm EST

That's a goal

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:14 pm EST

What?

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:11 pm EST

McD did nothing wrong on that goal....I could have stopped that shot....

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:10 pm EST

Inexcusable giving up a goal right after tying it .... Monster miller.... Then Cheesy play by nyr....Swiss....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:08 pm EST

Hank a softie...Hate games like this....

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:06 pm EST

From monster to goat McD to queen hank ... And people complain about Boyle....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:05 pm EST

$8,500,000 a year you're supposed to make those routine saves in games like this. Inexcusable.

RF4L


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:03 pm EST

Great Play Hank, maybe $8.75 mill per year would have helped.....

mf


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:01 pm EST

Did Miller just tie it up while playing CENTER?

mf


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:01 pm EST

JT!!!!.

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 20 2014 8:47 pm EST

HOSPO: Ditto!! I must have passsed another 10 levels of Candy Crush watching this game.

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 20 2014 8:37 pm EST

Yawnage..Man, so many of these out of division games suck...

Hospo


Sat Dec 20 2014 8:27 pm EST

Whatever Nash looks like he sure shows up every game....Good again tonight....What is wrong with Hagelin?...Not very effective this season...

PJ


Sat Dec 20 2014 8:15 pm EST

Nash has looked like he has mumps since he came here. He looks a little like a chipmunk ..... Alvin?......

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 7:15 pm EST

Who hasnt contacted the oil spots?.... And who haven't they contacted ?

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 7:01 pm EST

Well Eklund could have boosted it right off this Wall, but he says NYR contactedEDM to discuss swapping Staal + conditional picks for Hall. Ok, go crazy...

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 20 2014 6:51 pm EST

Msl has been invisible 3-12 =15 pts last 11 games... Trade him too....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 5:30 pm EST

Nick: I wonder if you will see the King or the Prince tomorrow night.....Doubt Henrik goes back to back tonight and tomorrow.

Ranger47


Sat Dec 20 2014 4:51 pm EST

D-Boyle's right ... we have Nash to win in December. Maybe in March too. But wake me up in April and May. If hes scores 45 this year and disappears again when it matters ... then what? I truly don't know. He seems to be more in traffic this year but we'll see. Anyway, my semi-yearly pilgrimage to t MSG is tomorrow night. I want to see a 6-5 OT win.

Nick


Sat Dec 20 2014 11:42 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/canadas-final-world-junior-roster-is-potent-and-surprising/

mf


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:58 am EST

Yup. Thanks Drew. Was just checking that out.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 20 2014 10:47 am EST

Rabid - I think hip was referring to this: "Dan Boyle: Rangers ‘didn’t bring me here to win in December’" http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/dan-boyle-rangers-didnt-bring-me-here-to-win-in-december/....but I dont want to speak for the hipster.

DREW


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:26 am EST

Re Boyle isn't here for now - all fine and dandy but take a look at the standings and if the season ended now, guess who wouldn't be getting any PO minutes! Things are tighter than ever it seems, what with the play of the Islanders, Capitals and Panthers. Yes it's early and still quite possible we'll see some (or all of) those teams drop off, but it's time the real Rangers stand up and be counted. Hopefully, they will build on the streak they're on. Tuesday's match against Washington is shaping up to be a key game.

RF4L


Sat Dec 20 2014 9:15 am EST

Hate to say this, but I think the Islanders are for real. It sure will be interesting to see how they fare against our Rangers.

RF4L


Sat Dec 20 2014 7:43 am EST

“Every night is not going to be a Picasso,” Vigneault said, “but you find ways to win.”..............http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/dan-boyle-rangers-didnt-bring-me-here-to-win-in-december/

stevielegs


Sat Dec 20 2014 12:00 am EST

I think if Nashville willing to retain a million of Stalberg's salary annually, they could move him.

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:50 pm EST

Spector says Benning talking to Chiarelli. Im guessing either Boston is biting on Stewart at the advertised price and has moved on to Kassian, or they're using Kassian to get Buffalo to lower expectations. Berglund, Perron also possibilities.

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 9:22 pm EST

Trade freeze in effect (me thinks. Either 3p or midnight). Kreider still a Ranger?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 6:44 pm EST

Think AV has decided Mess, and theyre leaking it out there, re;Duke. Boucher/coach also said today how'd it'd be the best Xmas gift to get him back; he wouldnt say stuff like that publicly unless he received a sign, imo. then they made a trade to bulk up for the Memorial cup, which they seem to think they're unbeatable with Duclair. Also happens as to be the logical thing at this point, but we'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 6:41 pm EST

Rangers wanted to lock Talbot up long term but he only wanted 1-yr deal, wants to start somewhere someday. Can't blame him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 6:31 pm EST

Sounds like a coachs wishful thinking. AV makes the call

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 6:27 pm EST

What'd Boyle say, Hip?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:54 pm EST

Stephanie Leroux RDS, Mess on Dookie.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:50 pm EST

BTW, Malkin makes $800,000 more a year than Crosby. He and OV are the highest paid players right now I believe ($9,500,000/year). Toews and Kane will each pass them next year by $1,000,000.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:47 pm EST

An over the hill Russian who disappears from time to time on a regular basis: Yep, I can Sather chasing Malkin as his contract comes closer to ending (like in 5 years). Hopefully, Sather's long retired by then!

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:47 pm EST

BOYLE with the snappy quote, catching a headline in the paper.

hipcheck


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:40 pm EST

What's the basis for the Q coach statement? A wish, or word from AV?

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:09 pm EST

Quebec coach now saying he expects Duclair back in Q. Right move. TD, meant to add on Pens loading up & taking their shot,mfrom a distance it seemed they didnt use Iginla sign. They had him on a 3rd line as I remember. Iggy came back with a 30-goal year for the B's,so something wasn't right there. But again, at least they tried when they were close. With Duclair out of the picture, maybe still hope we see Haggerty sometime this year.Despite Nash's onslaught, I'd still vote Haggerty the (preseason) goal of the year for us. Wemcouldmuse that kid's talent. He's also the guy I want replacing MSL next year,saving us $5m and if it comes to it, Marc Staal.Haggerty or Buch or Duke whoever wins it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:58 pm EST

almost everyone has their rewrite of history.....if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas .....my jj version is if nylander resigned, no gomez or drury....with shanahan they were close .......but no sather cigar.....and if jj was resigned instead of going to Russia, another possible cigar story.....and on and on.....can only deal with present, and feel robbed last year.......

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:50 pm EST

God thats incomprehensible. Tablet writes what it wants.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:48 pm EST

TD, TD,,,,, keep in mind a few things. Again, last year it was us when knocked them out,make we were dead to rights down 3-1 on they were on their way to the ECFs, thjojg I knew we could come back. No arguing they're down, but also, they took their big shot to repeat & flat on missed, bringing in Iginla and Morrow and the big stupid d-man, whatsnhis name?that tank that almost took Brian boyle's head off last year. Forget by kreider got him good. Anyway, you can always say they'd have been better after they lost in having young pieces on hand rather than dealing a vet. But they were going for it, just missed. Incidentally, Malkin's dad supposedly said somewhere only other team he wants to play for is us. Actually, I could see him ending up on the Islanders at some point. Now I do think they will look to trade him & restock.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:39 pm EST

RR - Sorry, but you have to trade one of CROSBY and MALKIN...I'd choose the latter. I can't stand horse-face...but he's who I build my team around...not to say Malkin isn't in the same class...just I wouldn't build any North American team solely around a Russian...And Malkin is too big of a fish to be in the same pond as Crosby. Too much money invested...The Flower sucks, sure. And they've been dogged by injuries...but they also don't have the character to win a cup. They haven't since they WON the cup. They let far too many guys go who were the glue of those teams...ORPIK, SCUDERI, TALBOT, MALONE, STAAL, Ty KENNEDY...those were glue players...Probably could have kept five of six of them had they simply moved Malkin...and he would have commanded something to the effect of several blue chip prospects, top-line young player or two and a high first rounder...Not sure if you've looked at the Pens system lately, but it's pretty threadbare. Pouliot, Kappanen and Maata...that's about it....they had a chance to re-tool after that cup win. They should have taken it. They didn't. And actually, I called it many years ago: They wouldn't do --and haven't done --squat after that cup win.

tdchi


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:32 pm EST

Rangers center Brassard back at practice: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=744839&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:28 pm EST

Paging Gary Bung-holio Buttman, this seems a bit, "Avery-like" to me, any suspensions for this representative of the NHL and the team from , "Brutha-ly-Luv"? Ay Bungholio? ...... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/giroux-at-it-again-bites-gudbransons-jersey-has-he-snapped/

mf


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:25 pm EST

RF4L - Well, also remember the Hawks had to do a serious reboot, losing LADD, BYFUGLIEN, NIEMI, VERSTEEG and ultimately KOPECKY, BROUWER and CAMPBELL...had they not had shrewd GM and good drafting, plus a group of world-class players --TOEWS and KANE signed long term deals worth far less than they could have gotten on the open market; ditto with HOSSA --they'd be in the same spot as Pittsburgh.

tdchi


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:02 pm EST

Nice on Talbot. sather sucks.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 3:54 pm EST

Zip- talbot extended. 1 year, 1.45

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 3:46 pm EST

Stalberg cleared, assigned AHL

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 3:41 pm EST

Nothing guarantees a Cup, not even a terrific young team & all-world goalie with one of the hottest scorers in the league that just got a sniff of it only to have the door slammed in its face. Even if they have made some improvements (Fast over Dorsett, Miller in over Carcillo are starting to look like legit upgrades). Its why you must go for it if you're close again. Its why IMO Hayes has to show more - again, unfairly or not - or they need to explore centers. The chance to get a solid 50 or maybe even 60pt center - not that Hayes can't be that some day - is a chance they can't pass up. And I think they decide that in these next 10 games or so. TD you right on the Caps, some of it, wrong on a lot else. Typical day for you lol. Pens shouldn't have traded Malkin bud, sorry. Guy's too good, that 1-2 punch with Sid is their calling card. Their problems where yes, some role players, by also a nervous wreck for goalie & a strange little faggot for a coach. And Leonsis is a good owner. He's a pretty amazing guy, a fan and former roller hockey player whom got a piece of this thing called AOL early and bought himself a team. You wouldn't? Its his former gm who killed him.Mcphee surprised me how mild & ultimately inept he was, he was such a fierce competitor. He got them close by didn't take those final steps.and it was also us who knocked them out few times, .just barely.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 3:15 pm EST

Speaking of the CAPS, man, loved the CAP-BJ game last night....What a blast,...hitting, hate, fighting and some good talent also..I tell ya, this guy PROUT that clocked Lucic is one tough D-man..I love Tom WILSON on the Caps (as a player) but he got destroyed....Anyway, the game was so much different then the snoozefests that are most Ranger games this year....Hopefully, games with the Isles will offer something like this...

Hospo


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:39 pm EST

And again: No one is saying TANKING GUARANTEES A CUP.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:39 pm EST

TD: Re your second point: Oh to have that problem (which is winning a cup with a bunch of high end talent and then trying to figure out how to keep them). The Hawks, so far, seem to have figured it out (to the point where they've won 2 cups).

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:37 pm EST

TD: Surely you know the problem in Washington - it's OV. He's a coach killer, cup killing player. Now part of that is totally on him, but it's also the organization, most specifically the owner, who is another example of how a meddlesome owner is inevitably a detriment to his team's success, that's too blame. OV's a prima donna who's not just been enabled by management but empowered. Has it reached the point where the team would be better off without him? My guess is yes, although they are doing quite well lately and we aren't hearing nearly the same volume of noise this year about OV. Coincidence? I highly doubt it. Let's see how sustainable that is, however. If it continues, I think the league should hand over the best coach award to Trots without even holding a vote! LOL. Another problem lays with the GM's inexplicable inability to address the goaltending issue, even tho he had lots of assets to do so (and as it turns out, might have actually traded the answer to the Avalanche!).

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:25 pm EST

And here's the other problem: You tank and you end up with a great team...let's say the Pens...how do you keep them together? The Pens basically lucked out to get the one cup they did and now they're a shadow of the team they once were...I remember dreading games against the Pens...and now...meh...totally beatable team because they couldn't afford to and didn't keep a lot of their role players who were part of that one cup the landed...they should have traded MALKIN a long time ago and surrounded Cryer with a good, solid team...but instead, they keep relying on the same four players(chuck in LETANG and FLEURY)...and every year one of them does a belly flop....it's one of the reasons I wasn't fond of the RICHARDS signing and the main reason I didn't like dealing for NASH: Because suddenly, we've got too many huge, long-term contracts to contend with...we lucked out with the amnesty buyouts to shed REDDEN and Richards...but without them? We'd be screwed...simply can't have a top-heavy salaries on a team and expect to win much in this league any more.

tdchi


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:17 pm EST

You want a great example of a team that drafted world-class players after tanking, built an impressive farm system and still did nothing? I haven't heard mention yet of the Washington Capitals. Now 12 years from drafting SEMIN, 10 years removed from drafting OV. Nine from drafting BACKSTROM...what do they have to show? Zippo. Haven't even made it past the second round...Now OV is less than a year away from 30, Backstrom turns 28 next fall...GREEN is 29 and looking like he's on the downside of his career...And while they have a decent team, it's hard to see how they'll make it deep in the playoffs...Not at least with HOLTBY and PETERS as their tandem...I never did understand why the Caps always choke so badly, but they do. And they're a great example...one of many, actually, that show tanking alone does not guarantee a cup.

tdchi


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:11 pm EST

And to put some other thoughts down about that time: Those of us pushing for Sather to sell off his JJ era assets did so not to tank for tanking sake (at least that wasn't my position). I was certain what Sather had stumbled across was not a cup team, unlike (obviously) Sather and many on here who were opposed to selling off the assets. I recall many arguing that the Rangers were a few pieces away from being a contender. I was not sold on that. The Rangers were fabulous for the first 2/3s of the first year of JJ, up to the 06 Olympics. I defy anyone to go back to that season and take a look at their record and try to tell me the wheels weren't beginning to come off at that time. They were. The rose was already coming off the bloom and we really saw it after the Olympics. And no wonder - it was basically a 1 man show. JJ carried the team and yeah, he's a fabulous player but no one individual can do that. There were holes all over the lineup that weren't fixable. I was convinced of that. And guess what? Hindsight has proven me correct. The Rangers had some meddling success (made the POs for a few years and won a round or 2), then in 09/10 finished 20th overall. Sather missed a glorious opportunity to add some key high end talent to the organization. Big time. Now, as he's done since coming to NY, he has to seek it outside of the organization.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:05 pm EST

Thanks to all for pointing out Manny & friends were Smith picks..... like I didnt know that. Point was what Sather actually inherited. Granted, their perceived value was high when he dealt them. But he also got back a Lindros, a Rucinsky and I forget what for Jamie. He had little choice once his picks busted but to go free agent & try to trade. All of which sucked until the latter part of the decade. But a GM is also charged with putting a team, any team on the ice. I dont know what the hell im mumbling about. Dont mind me....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 2:01 pm EST

WIld: No, no, no. I have prefaced my posts by saying it's conjecture and musing. I think it's logical to assume the Rangers would be in a better position today than they are if they had bottomed out in 07 to 09 (or at least 1 of those years) because selected first overall were, respectively, Kane, Stamkos and Tavares. Put it this way: Right now easily the Rangers most effective forward is Rick Nash. Well guess what? It's reasonable to muse that they could still have Nash PLUS one of those 3. And we aren't even considering what assets the extra picks acquired via moving the likes of JJ, Straka, Nylander, etc (which was part of the argument guys like Vic and myself were posing back then) would have meant to the team's fortunes.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:52 pm EST

OK I miss read....But my point still stands. Having superstars granted zilch. They have 1 win for all that tanking and drafting. If Sather had those players drafted and only 1 cup you would be tearing him apart. Also, you are the KING of conjecture. You are the one saying basically that the Rangers would be better iff with the last years and this years first round picks. You fantasy last years pick will be so great to help win the cup, and this best years pick will be the lottery winner ideas are so far out there its crazy. The Rangers have only 1 less cup finals appearance than those awesome PENs. Thats a fact. yeah sure Im playing the "if" game. But it was to make a point. one that you can't not through any way make invalid. If, yeah i know if, the Rangers win the cup they will be on par with the PENs and all those high star draft picks. The point is, you don't need a flashy high pick to win the cup. the Rangers got damn close with out a flashy guy like Crosby from he top of the draft board. You know who the PENs lost to than won against...Detroit...not many high picks for those SCF teams. Their top guys came later int he draft. My point is, pretending that high picks and guys who are individual superstars does not win a cup. You need an entire team, and you can build a cup team without top picks. the Rangers have one....right now. They were in the SCF, and unless you want to pretend they were just lucky and didn't actually earn that...well you can't prove that in any way, and its not what happened. They are the reigning Eastern Champs, and we don't know if they will do it again this year. And they are more than capable of doing so, with this group. But I am sure, if they do, even if they win the cup, you will find some excuse to say they really are not that great because they don't have so many high picks.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:52 pm EST

And just so it's clear (and inexplicably I always seem to have to state/clarify this when we engage is this rebuilding philosophy discussion): Tanking doesn't guarantee a cup win. Such a thing does not exist. It's all about deciding upon the most effective way to accumulate talent, specifically high end talent that in the cap era (and for the most part historically), that is needed to ice a cup contending team. In the cap era top end draft picks is becoming more and more an integral element because 1) you can no longer sign every attractive UFA like a drunken sailor and 2) teams are resigning almost all their top end talent before they become UFAs. Take a look at the top end teams right now (re cup contenders). The only team who doesn't have a top 5 drafted player (of their own) playing a pivotal role is Anaheim and their success is in large part based on 2 guys who came out of the 03 draft (Getzalf and Perry), which was a draft year unlike any other, as we all painfully know. LA has Doughty (2nd overall). Chicago has Kane and Toews (1st and 3rd overall). Tampa has Stamkos and Hedman (1st and 2nd overall). St Louis has Pietrangelo (4th overall). Boston won with Seguin playing a significant (albeit not pivotal) role (2nd overall). Hell, although I don't concur they're a favourite, Montreal is up there now and looks who's starting to play a significant role? Galchenyuk, drafted 3rd overall. SJ has perennially been a cup contender; they picked Marleau 2nd overall. It goes on and on and on.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:40 pm EST

Rumor out of Vancouver Zack KASSIAN is available. Hard player. Hasn't lived up to his reputation. Right handed shot. Only problem is they're looking for a top-six winger in return.

tdchi


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:38 pm EST

York18 - See, you don't read my posts. I'm done. Now run along and play with your ego.

tdchi


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:35 pm EST

I do find it amusing to see to what lengths some of you Sather strokers will go - to the point where you end up defending my anti Sather stance (yet don't seem to understand that). LOL...

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:33 pm EST

You clearly didn't read what I posted Wild. I can do conjecture, too was my point. You're comparing the rebuilding processes and saying one isn't more successful than they other IF the Rangers win a cup in the next year or 2. I can counter similarly by comparing them with the Penguins winning in the next 2 years and the Rangers not. That would be 2 cups to 0. Bottom line is this: Sather's ways have yielded the Rangers 0 cups. Pittsburgh's way 1. By bringing up that comparison (which you did, not me) you're only adding my fuel to my argument.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:26 pm EST

RF4L: So now its the TYPE of cup win...right. So if the Rangers win the cup this year...the PENs are still "better" How stupid...thats the dumbest thing I have ever read. Yeah sure if the PENs win they will have 2 cups and the Rangers 0. I didn't say the pens wouldn't win. I was giving an example. IF the Rangers win a cup, and the PENs don't, they will be equal in that way. And my point still stands 100% correct and UNDEBATABLE that even with 2 superstars the PENS have been to 2 SCF and won a single SCF. So with that it proves that simply having superstars does not guarantee a cup. Please oh please tell me how the PENS cup win would mean more than a Rangers cup win...please

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:14 pm EST

Vic that's what the owners of the nyr " didn't buy it" and they know how many season ticket holders they lost. I'm sure they have the numbers and marketing to prove it. Plus too many no shows and they would lose a lot of revenue. ... It's a business and it's all about the money.... Sather spent $80 mil one year on salaries but it didn't work for many reasons. But the fishstinks can tell you how much they lost and so can the Debbies now without rebuilding. They are a prime candidate and probably won't . The nhl has too many teams doing bs ....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:07 pm EST

Vic: Re can't rebuild in NY. Agree 100%. Such a claim actually makes Ranger fans (well those in the NYC area who buy tickets) as morons who aren't able to see the big picture. There are enough NYC area folks on here to tell me that simply isn't true. Instead, it's an excuse floated by Ranger management who don't have the guts, fortitude and foresight to do it that way. I'd probably throw in the term arrogance, too, but in reverse. Sather is an arrogant SOB who thinks he can do it without bottoming out. So far, he's battling 000. His first few years in NY he went the high priced mercenary route. That worked out rather poorly, didn't it? Then he started a rebuild, but bastardized it via the JJ era. His batting average didn't move one iota off that 000 mark. After the JJ era, he tried the hard-ass coach, work our tails off, squeak into the POs and hope for the best approach. That did get him a final 4 appearance, but no ultimate prize. Still batting 000. Now his approach is acquiring high end talent via the trade route, at the expense of the future. A cup final appearance resulted, which was fabulous but still no cigar. This approach is continuing so the jury is out on it. We'll see how it goes. Given all of this, it sure makes me wonder what might have been if he'd actually elected to follow thru what he started in 04. Bottom line is this for me: I don't buy it that NYC fans wouldn't tolerate a more painful rebuild - it's insulting to the collective wisdom of NY fans to say that IMO.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:58 pm EST

Wild: Really? You really want to compare a cup win the Penguins have with one the Rangers might get? Geesh man, you are really stretching your Sather stroking here. Guess what? The Penguins might win in the next year or 2, too, meaning their way = 2 cups and the Rangers 0. LOL...

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:56 pm EST

RR: Those drafts were NEIL SMITH not SATHER. WILDCARD: I've done this exercise many times and don't feel like doing it again. Go back and look at the Cup winners since the lockout. You won't find a team without a young, dominant Superstar Center. What you will find are teams that won with goaltenders who were average or slightly better then average. There is a lot more evidence that shows that having an elite #1 Center is more important in winning a Cup then having an elite goaltender.

Vic


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:54 pm EST

Rabid manny turned into a damn good third line center in the league and a faceoff beast.

York18


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:53 pm EST

Rabid those were smith picks

York18


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:38 pm EST

VIC: Hank is a superstar...well in the way a goalie can be. McD is getting to that point. Sorry they are not flashy like Crosby....but how many cups has that superstar laden team won? Yeah...and how may finals have they been to? Uh-huh. SO one cup win for the Rangers over the next couple seasons and they are in the same boat as a team that has the young superstars and tanked to get there. Hockey is still a team game and individuals can't do it all...even a goalie, although he is the most important individual. Yes you need skill, and yes a Crosby level guy doesn't hurt anything, but you still need an entire team.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:30 pm EST

Sather missed the mark in several of his early drafts, no doubt that prolonged the patchwork process. But I always look to 3 guys - Malhotra, Brendl & Lundmark - to guage just how wrong Sather was. If any of those guys had become anything substantial, then the early Sathet record looks even worse, if thats possible.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:12 pm EST

RF4L: I forgot about STRAKA. He was a player that had solid trade value then as well. STEVIE: i don't buy it and I never will. There is no difference between sucking because you are rebuilding with youth and sucking because you have a team full of over-aged, has-beens who are collecting their last big paycheck. Actually, let me correct that. There is a difference. Watching the latter made me want to vomit with the total lack of effort we say on a nightly basis. The Rangers spent 10 years sucking with the latter and the fans kept on coming and spending money. They could just as easily could have tanked and rebuilt. The fans would have at least had one or more young budding superstars to root for. My biggest fear is that the last 7 or 8 years, coupled with the next 5 or so end up being a waste of time. If this team is never able to win a Cup because they didn't have the young superstar core to build around then they have accomplished nothing. Had they won last year things would be different. But they didn't, and the questions will always be out there.

Vic


Fri Dec 19 2014 11:29 am EST

there is no such thing as rebuilding or tanking with the nyr.and probably there never will be....the closest concept was competitive rebuild...... .. most nyc fans won't show and spend money on a rebuild/tank team........renney's first full year post lockout, they were picked by most here to come in last.....they were in first for awhile that year.....and made the playoffs...the rest I want to forget but can't.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 11:22 am EST

Vic: Yep. Forgot to include Hall and Seguin. And I recall posting along with you about trading JJ and Nylander. There was also Straka on an expiring contract, plus others who I cannot recollect clearly right now. Sather over-estimated what he had, just as I fear he's done the same currently and consequently, coughed up 2 first rounders for MSL (and 2 2nd rounders for Clowe for that matter - now that goes down as one of his stupider deals, which is saying a lot - lol).

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 11:10 am EST

RF4L: I totally agree and I remember you and I arguing on the same side of the rebuild issue back when all of that was unfolding. It all went down (or didn't) at the deadline the year that NYLANDER was scheduled to become a UFA that upcoming July. The Rangers were in 11th place in the conference at the time and they did not have a team capable of going anywhere in the playoffs. That much was obvious. Instead of understanding what the Rangers had and did not have SATHER opted not to deal NYLANDER and let him walk for nothing at the end of the year. Then he doubled down and brought in DURY and GOMEZ that summer and then the really horrible deals for REDDEN and ROSI the following summer. I remember that trade deadline vividly and I argued strongly for dealing both NYLANDER and JAGR while they were both at the top of their value and insane levels of return could have been had. That was the opportunity to rebuild. That was chance to set the team up to land a TAVARAS, HALL, SEGUIN type player. We will never know what could have been. What we do know is that SATHER's strategy failed miserably and he was only able to salvage the mistakes of those years by making some incredible trades (thankfully there were even more stupid GMs in the NHL) and through buyouts and retirements. More recently he has salvaged bad trades of high draft picks with some free agent signings that MAY offset those deals. HAYES looks like a good signing but the jury is out on HAGGERTY. The Rangers have a good team now. A team that can do some damage in the playoffs but I don't think they are as good as they were last year. Nobody will ever know what could have happened had SATHER done things differently back then. The Rangers could be a dominant perennial Cup contending team. Or, they could be mired in mediocrity still.

Vic


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:28 am EST

RF4L: Don't overlook what Drury brought. His style of preparation and leadership was a big part of the identity of the Rangers as a place you wanted to play. Also having him an Gomez who reportedly turned down larger contracts from other teams to play in NYC made a statement. Players wanted to be in NY and be a Ranger. It may not have worked out great, but Drury had a couple really good seasons for the Rangers and played his heart out for the team. No regrets with his signing IMHO. Gomez is a different story...but hell...taking into account his trade...best signing of Sathers tenure LOL

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:24 am EST

For the record, I hold no animosity towards Tom Renney. He was a strong choice for what Sather was endeavoring to accomplish during the JJ years (at least for the 1st 2 years). I concur he helped change the culture from an overpaid mercenary vacation/retirement resort to one where some pride was felt and restored. I just believe the JJ era bastardized what could and should have been a more thorough rebuilding job, something Sather started with both barrels firing in 04 (when he did a fine job of purging the organization of so much deadwood and accumulated a bunch of high picks). A couple of more down years and who knows where this organization would be - one can only muse and speculate about what someone like Tavares and Stamkos (or Kane or Toews or whoever) would mean to the fortunes of the Rangers. I certainly don't blame Renney or JJ or any of those players from those years for that. In fact, quite the opposite because they were fun to watch and it was exciting (well, year 1 was anyways). That's on Sather for catching lightening in a bottle and not recognizing it, keeping things spinning when he started chasing UFAs again (specifically Dreary and Gomez).

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:24 am EST

MESS: From a post further back on Klein. Fully agree. He hasn't had to play top minutes, and he never really has in his career. Is he capable of stepping up...sure...but I don't think he really is more than a 4-5 Dman. And as you said...there is NOTHING wrong with that. Its like when people say "but he is only good enough to be a backup" when talking about a goalie. People say that about Talbot (not sure if anyone here has) but for me thats awesome. Being a backup isn't the easiest job, and really good ones don't grow on trees. I hope Talbot becomes what Billington was (but with better numbers maybe) but a guy who came in to spell the top guy, a guy who came in and settled the team down. He did it was the AVS his last few seasons. Had the mindset that he was a backup. He had one year when he played 63 games, the rest he played in the 20's mostly. He knew what he was, and worked to perfect that job. If Talbot can be "that guy" and settle into a backup role the Rangers will be set for 10 years at the backup position. But anyway, back to Klein. He is a really good 3rd pair guy on a cup team. They need to settle down the other half of the 3rd pair. Moore or Hunwick need to step up and TAKE the job, OR they need to make a move. I don't think a rookie will shore it up enough, so Allen or McIlrath wont work for this year (at least probably not) so trade for a guy if need be. But shore that up. Make it 3 good pairs for a cup run.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:08 am EST

SATHER: My 2 cents. I am in the middle. Yeah sure, he has done some boneheaded things, and had the wrong people in certain areas for a while (hello drafting record and head of scouting with Moloney) but at the same time he has done things to help change the culture in NY. Yeah he had Reney who was a players coach, and he over paid and let guy "retire" with the NYR, but at the same time, those seasons had some good stuff, the Rangers were a threat and some fun to watch for a few seasons. Then he had some "luck" in the drafts, made good trades. And for all Reneys faults, he brought an attitude of being "proud to pull the sweater over your head" to the players. Rather made some less glorious decisions for behind the bench for sure. But he than brought in the right guy for the right time in Torts, they needed are hard ass, hard nose, never stop working, drive you into the ground guy. The residuals of that work ethic exist today. The Rangers players are in shape for camp, they work hard and we still see a lot of "no quit" from the team. He got rid of him when the time was right (I thought he would get one more season myself) and brought in another players type coach to sooth the rough edges formed by the Torts style. He has a LONG way to go before I would say his time with the Rangers was "successful" but its been far from a "failure" I mean I would call it a wash right now. Win the cup, end good, don't win a cup, ends bad. Well....if they make the cup finals 2 times out of the next 3 years but don't win, it will be hard to call it bad....or good....but still, most teams would take that.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:05 am EST

Stevie thanks for posting the whole thing about JT and his thoughts on moving back to center. TD why let JT tell you what he thinks when you can tell us for him since you know so much lmao clown shoes you make yourself look like a bigger fool every time you post about miller because you know better than miller himself now roflmao

York18


Fri Dec 19 2014 10:00 am EST

fiddle replaced by cigar....burning or not burning....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 9:59 am EST

RF4L: I remember reading something about him having a "heavy shot" and that person was wondering if he would have issues with that shot post surgery....guess if he got 3 in one game, that he is OK...unless of course he found himself in close and write them in.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 19 2014 9:29 am EST

Ryan Graves had a hat-trick last night in Quebec's 7 - 2 victory. Don't know much about this guy but recall he was drafted because he's a big, physical d-man with some skating ability and developed enough in the year after the Rangers selected him to get a contract offer. He missed a chunk of time due to shoulder surgery. I don't think we're gonna see him on broadway any time soon, but hopefully, he's developing to the point where he'll be a regular next year for the Pack. I'm guessing he's got a howitzer from the point.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 9:25 am EST

Stalberg is interesting, but I don't think anyone will claim his 3x3 contract

Messier11


Fri Dec 19 2014 9:22 am EST

LOL...Emperor Sather!

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 9:19 am EST

Rome wasn't built in a day......

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 8:42 am EST

stevie: And if the Rangers do win the cup, I'll gladly give Sather his credit. Until then, however, no Sather stroking over here dude - that man has more lives than a cat when it comes to being the Ranger architect.

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 8:40 am EST

stevie: Maybe Miller gets Muenster Jitters playing center!

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 8:39 am EST

Trade: Perhaps you should avoid the wall when the Rangers are on a winning streak! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 8:38 am EST

Bob: Why do French Canadians prefer sex doggie style?

RF4L


Fri Dec 19 2014 7:59 am EST

“There is definitely a change of mind-set at center,” said Miller, who had scored three goals in his first five games since his promotion. “Playing wing it’s more instinct for me, where moving to the middle obviously requires some more thinking. “There are different responsibilities at center, but I don’t want to make it seem like it’s a burden. I’m playing with great players. The way I look at it is that it’s a great opportunity for me.” “I’m focusing on basics and my play away from the puck, being in the right spot on the right [correct] side of the play, making sure that I’m there to give that support,” said Miller. “I know that we’re in an emergency, so it’s a good thing they have the confidence in me to put me there if they need me.”“It’s not an ideal situation,” Miller said. “But it gives me another chance to prove my value. It’s up to me to make something out of it.”...........“It’s not really ideal when you’re trying to establish yourself and find a spot,” Miller said. “Wing seemed to be working, but obviously it’s nice to be able jump in and play [center] when things like that happen.”.........half jitters half muenster?......

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:14 am EST

Character = chara

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 5:05 am EST

The b-ruin gm and character were together before boston, that's how the ended up together again. He had the inside track on ifs chara that's why sather couldn't sign him. Any gm and coach that wins it all gets high praise in hockey history. Can't wait until June when rf4l has to give the broken clock his. .... It's not easy even being right twice a day. ...

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 4:23 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/viktor-stalberg

stevielegs


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:29 am EST

What Bob?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 19 2014 1:26 am EST

Canadiens forward Pacioretty to hospital after injury.... http://www.nhl.com/ice/newsindex.htm?navid=nav-nws-main# .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCubf-nlW2w

mf


Fri Dec 19 2014 12:19 am EST

What is the difference between French-Canadian and Anglophone couches?

Bob


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:56 pm EST

So Bergeron, and Jean-Guy and ....thats all know. I never had a problem with Talbot's sweatsuits. Why cant a coach be comfortable?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:50 pm EST

couch=coach .....lol

TradeStar28


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:49 pm EST

Funny when the Rangers on a winning streak how us fans argue about some of the most petty shit ever. I hope the Rangers run the rest of the month of December with all W's so i can continue to read about henrik being discoved in Ola's beer league, how good klein is on D, the shittyiness of dan boyle but how he is needed , and the luck of the boston bruins........Maybe we can do a round table on who the best Rangers french canadian couch is of all time.......

TradeStar28


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:16 pm EST

I saw somebody today asking if mumps bloats out your face like that, has Broduer always had them? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:12 pm EST

Blues 3 Kings 0 with Uncle Daddy in goal.

Bob


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:50 pm EST

Mess Im sure we're fundamentally in agreement on Klein, so not sure of the point. I did say he's been our best, because on balance he has been Imo. Thats not saying he IS our best, just thats he's played that way, which is altogether possible whether you sit first or sixth on the depth chart. And I would use Klein ahead of both Girardi & McDonagh on the point. But AV will never use a rhd left side, and Boyle's entrenched. Still see no reason he cant get a look 2nd unit but coach sounded dead set against, idk why.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:37 pm EST

There's always Viktor STALBERG on waivers...doesn't work out? Put him back on waivers. Just don't know if he could fit under the cap...nothing wrong, though, with a 28-year-old winger with a cup ring, speed, size and a 20-goal season under his belt.

tdchi


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:28 pm EST

I say call up Lindberg, shift Miller back to LW, shift Hags to RW. Nash/Step/MSL, Kreid/Hayes/MZA, Miller/Lindberg/Hagelin, Glass/Moore/Fast.

Messier11


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:22 pm EST

"Klein hasn't handled third pair minutes" *First pair

Messier11


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:20 pm EST

RR - Norris is obviously sarcasm. Klein is not our top D. The only rubric he IS top at (for this team), for now, is goals. The thing is, that wouldn't be likely if Boyle and/or Mcdonagh had been healthy thus far. Klein still hasn't handled third pair minutes, has limited career experience with second pair minutes. Theres no knock to being a reliable third pair defender on a team that features McD, Staal, Girardi and Boyle. But in no way, shape or form, is he our top D. He has the most goals, but you wouldn't put him on the PP above Boyle or McDonagh. You wouldn't put him on the PK over Staal or Girardi. He's doesn't have the best offensive or the best defensive skills among our D. He's just been the healthiest, and has played well.

Messier11


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:06 pm EST

York - You just can't debate. Glad your done.

tdchi


Thu Dec 18 2014 7:39 pm EST

Why can't they just test the whole team and be done with it ?

stepunmytoe


Thu Dec 18 2014 5:48 pm EST

So Stamp is u/a both weekend games. Idk if Brass will play,m but Duclair isn't here to insert.Callup? Lindberg time? They probably bring back Mueller if anything but should give someone else a chance imo.Malone, a Bourque?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 5:31 pm EST

Yup. AV should let Arneil run practice. Just read CDC says 15 in 100, or I guess 1.5 in 10 adults with mumps develop meningitis. So yeah, somebody should do something!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 5:23 pm EST

RR damn even Coaches are getting it time to quarantine the league for three weeks so it stops spreading lol.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 5:17 pm EST

Mump scoreboard: Stempniak, Gernander, Joey Crabb being treated. Brassard practicing tomorrow.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 3:23 pm EST

I wont give Klein the Norris but Ill give him credit, hows that? He hasnt swooned like even our top guts have, plud hes fought and scored and gave up a body part for the cause lol. Idk if AV doesnt like him with Staal, but 3rd pair isnt a knock on this team. It has to br one of it not the best, whether its Moore or Hunwick other side. That 3rd pairing separates us from many other teams, its why we can clamp down.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 3:22 pm EST

Who's awarding KK the Norris? What post did I miss. Or perhaps it's because unlike what you kept saying, until recently, KK is more than a bottom pairing d-man.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 3:22 pm EST

Also- is Rask for Raycroft one of the most lopsided deals ever? That's Mike Milbury bad!

Messier11


Thu Dec 18 2014 3:08 pm EST

Klein is doing great, but let's not award him the Norris just yet. Despite his goals, he's not even in our top three defenders, and that's not even taking the injured play of Boyle, McD into account.

Messier11


Thu Dec 18 2014 3:03 pm EST

Jfc yes that's him......TD did I say he did no work? No I soda he was lucky and mentioned the three big lucky things that were huge in winning that cup. I think more often then not luck plays a huge part in winning a cup it's a dynasty that's not luck IMO

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:58 pm EST

TD I see why rabid gets at you because you say down right stupid crap miller played center a ton before his recent call up and he sucked Hayes has played 40 games less and produced 2 points less that means he's out producing miller pure fact not opinion why has miller been sent down so many times because he's done so well? He was handed the center spot amd failed and was sent to hartford this season why was that because he played well? You're delusional is everyone on this board wrong about miller but you? I'm done you can't debate crazy and thats what you are.....as for Boston they lucked out chara chose there way different team without him.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:52 pm EST

TD, im not even sure who youre debating or the precise but Imo back you up. Yes, I said Imo lol. Chiarelli built them largely through trades. Theres a big article out there somewhere Id read, kind of a new age approach to team-crafting. And Sather, since RF & I wrre talking about his record, Sather is building a hybrid once step back of building primarily thru trades, but unconventional anyway. Top of my head Id split in in thirds; drafted, tradeds, and signings.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:27 pm EST

Brian: Ha! Thanks dude. I sorta recall reading that story and what I forgot and what just jumped out at me was the fact that the Rangers liked the King so much (and were projecting his immense impact on their fate) they selected Brandon Snee like 2 rounds ahead of him. LOL.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:22 pm EST

TD: Which was my point all along - building a championship team is always a lot of hard work and arguably is equal parts smart. Luck, however, always plays a part, sometimes more often than other times. I'd argue you can cite any championship run and find numerous examples where luck played a part in that run.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:04 pm EST

An article on the topic: http://nypost.com/2014/06/02/the-incredible-saga-of-how-rangers-lucked-upon-lundqvist/

Brian2d


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:03 pm EST

whoa...Boston got lucky now? Certainly there's an element of luck in any cup run...could make the same argument about the Kings...Lucked out Columbus was such a flop with CARTER...lucked out that they held onto GABORIK for too long...lucked out NASH couldn't find the back of the net...Lucked out the post played as large of a game as QUICK...seriously though, I don't know how that argument holds water. Teabag Tim was a know commodity in Boston that year...and even if he wasn't RASK was already primed to take over...CHARA was a brilliant UFA signing...and the KESSEL deal? That one took giant brass balls to make...Chiarelli was pretty close to getting hung by them too when he made it...I was in Boston at TD North the day after Kess was traded and fans there were downright surly. I remember asking one guy about it as we walked in and the guy looked like he was about to cry. Now I know some still try to rationalize how Toronto won that trade --they didn't --but the Bruins hoisted the cup. Kessel hasn't and, unless something drastic changes this year, won't any time soon. Chiarelli also had the balls to WIDEMAN, his PPQB...and then WHEELER...who is a guy I wouldn't have moved...And I remember thinking 'PEVERLEY...wtf?' But lo and behold, all those pieces he got helped the Bruins win...now we could get into a 'would the be better now if' argument...and certainly some of those moves didn't pan out in the long run...but man, that team was anything but lucky. Chiarelli built that team through solid drafting and had the chutzpa to make unpopular moves that were necessary to push them over the top. Say what you will about him now after a clunker of a SEGUIN deal, but he brought the cup to Boston. No question about it...and he had no more luck than any other cup-winning GM in history.

tdchi


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:58 pm EST

York -- I'm pretty sure the Rangers Euro scout who highly recommended Lundqvist was Chris Rockstrom

JFC31


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:50 pm EST

Knew I forgot someone! Tnx RF. Another is DZ, dealt for Klein, a 2nd rounder & prob our best D so far. So tough record to grasp but whats on the ice is all that matters.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:44 pm EST

RR: You're forgetting Nash, a first overall pick! Yes, I posted earlier that perhaps Sather's biggest strength has been his trading. He's made some significant gaffes that way (Lindros and Bure being 2 obvious ones) but at least he's not gunshy in that regard. It will be interesting to see how he fares this year - he's been surprisingly quiet on that front so far. I wonder if anything's cooking - after all, most of his deals seem to come with little or no warning.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:42 pm EST

York - Of those 40 games, how many has he played center? Answer? Five. Three to start the year, two after his latest call-up. And go ahead and skirt my main point: If Hayes looks so great at center --not sure how anyone could argue that --why didn't HE move up? Look, forget it. I disagree with you. I think you're wrong, and you're pretty much not even reading my posts, so we'll call it a draw here.

tdchi


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:36 pm EST

Another chapter in the convoluted Sather story RF. We rarely draft high enough or well enough in the first round, Staal, Kreider & Miller being exceptions. But Sather has dealt for good ones in McD, Brass & Moore and signed Hayes, sll first rounders. But in later rounds we're real good, coming up with Stepan, our no. 1 center in the 2nd round. So its a mixed bag but the result is good.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:21 pm EST

And I believe Rockstrom's fingers are all over a slew of Ranger selections from Sweden. Some turned out to be superb recommendations and others not to much. Such is the crapshoot that is drafting teenaged athletes, especially in the later rounds. For me it's a combination of 3 things when it comes to having success in the mid to late rounds of the NHL draft: 1) Scouting and projecting 2) Number of selections 3) Luck. And in terms of order, I'd say number of selections is probably the biggest factor - you have enough selections sooner or later you'll get lucky and select a player who develops into a NHLer. It's why I constantly harp on Sather to acquire extra picks (which he's done almost every draft to his credit).

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:15 pm EST

RR: Sather went over to see Hank well after he was selected. Don't forgot, he was picked in the 2000 draft, but didn't come to NA until the 05/06 season, 5 years later. It was over that time period, especially from 02 to 05, that he really evolved. It's interesting to note that he played in 2 WJC for Sweden and posted strong numbers. I suspect it was then that Sather and company started to understand that perhaps they'd stumbled across a gem. Both occurred after he was drafted.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:09 pm EST

Christer Rockstrom. He had the goods on Hank, he & Jan Someoneoranother, another euro scout. Sather went to europe to see if Hank was ready to come to North America. They knew what they had. Or hoped at least.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:07 pm EST

York: I suppose one could argue Bergeron recovering from that concussion as he did is lucky, but that logic would extend to any player who's been concussed helping out his team after recovering. I am not privy to the negotiations that brought Chara to Boston so I can't argue that point one way or another (although I would agree that Boston is lucky Ottawa decided to keep Redden over Chara - lol). Where I do concur Boston got lucky in their cup run was in goal. Just look no way did the Rangers project the King to be who he's become, no way did anyone anticipate Tim Thomas being capable of providing the goaltending he did for the Bruins. If you wanna argue which situation is luckier, I'll grant you that one. For me, this whole discussion stems from one proclamation (and I think any successful GM will say the same thing): To win you need luck on your side. Obviously, it's way more than that, but show me a championship team where you would say 'they were unlucky but won anyways'. I doubt they exist.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:02 pm EST

Any scout who has a player selected by the team he works for, regardless of where in that draft the player is picked, is going to proclaim that player will make the NHL. Bottom line York is the King's excellence for NY is an example of the organization getting lucky. He dropped to the 7th round for a reason - no one expected him to become the NHL netminding stalwart he is. The Rangers got lucky. This isn't a criticism - at least they knew enough to take a stab at him, which isn't something 29 other teams can proclaim.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:00 pm EST

RF my point is chara choosing Boston is lucky Bergeron making a full recovery is lucky considering he was hurt so bad he had speech problems. Drafting a player is not lucky taking a chance on am over 30 goalie with no NHL experience and he wins a vezina is lucky.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:58 pm EST

RF sather didnt draft Hank per say it was smiths euro guy who's name slips my mind right now who sather cut loose eventually but it was smiths boy who found all the euros we drafted and I still remember when Hank was drafted that guy said he would be an NHL goalie. Damn I wish I could remember his name

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:53 pm EST

Just did some quick research on the King. HIs draft year, he played for 30 games for a junior team in Sweden and put up a respectable 2.54 GAA figure. Not sub-2. He did have 2 sub-2 GAA seasons (which I concur are incredible) but they occurred in 03/04 and 04/05, 3 and 4 years after he'd become Ranger property. There is no way Sather knew what he was eventually getting when making that pick. Making things even more slanted in terms of being lucky is the fact that Sather had only taken over the Rangers GM duties like a month before - it's likely he knew very little about Lundqvist and took him (luckily) because an existing Smith hired European scout suggested he do so.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:52 pm EST

those poor midgets keep swimming in circles, I bet they get dizzy, oh my!

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:48 pm EST

RR: Granted a starting goaltender plays more TOI than any other position, but damn, $8MILL p/y playing hockey in this city full of endorsement opportunities to supplement your income, is enough.. This ain't baseball with a luxury tax, NBA with a much higher cap & only 14-15 players, of the NFL, this is the NHL which consistently gets lee coverage in the sports sections than 1 armed left handed midget water-polo... Now we have to play hardball with Staal to accept $5.5 mill (which I think is fair) John Moore (& I don't give a rats rear-end about his performance thus far) $850K, we're gonna clamp down on Hags & Zucc... I hope Staal & his agent consider all this when they deal on behalf of Marc, that there needs to be $$$ to pay the rest if we're going to seriously contend for "The Cup"

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:45 pm EST

RF the same reason a lot of euro players slip they aren't sure if they can make the transition especially in goal.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:44 pm EST

TD if miller has been so good at center why has he been sent down every time he has had a chance? As for being better than Hayes at center let's stop right there miller has played 40 more games and only has 2 more points then Hayes. Sorry but you're dead wrong there because Hayes has out played miller since coming to the NHL which is why he didn't get sent down while miller did.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:38 pm EST

Then why on earth would Sather wait until round 7 to pick him?

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:34 pm EST

RF couldn't disagree more on Hank he was killing it over in Sweden he was posting sub 2 gaa the only people who didn't know were people who didn't follow the euro leagues. I still remember he quietly came over to practice for about a week before coming and he dominated which was why he was brought over but that was after he had dominated the elite league.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:24 pm EST

That was funny, CM. Yup MF, I hated that contract for us, and he got it because he was losing his mind and they thought they might lose the season.and he kinda deserves it, but boy it makes things tight. Basically paying double what anyone else is paying a goalie. Though im pretty muck making that up LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:07 pm EST

But they're so spaced out,

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:05 pm EST

RR/RF: No way Staal signs for LESS THAN $5.5 mill p/y, and like RF just said, MSL will be back unless he decides not to.. My gut says that he will work with mngmnt on a cap friendly agreement, $2.5-$3mill perhaps with some incentives.... Effin Lundqvist needed to have $8.5 per?? Yeah maybe if he was 6 feet wide & 4 feet tall, but the schmuck & his agent could've looked past his nose to realize we need to pay the team in front of him....

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:01 pm EST

MESS11- "Renney and the Czechs" is my favorite Elton John song ever!

ColoradoMark


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:50 am EST

Of course, if the Rangers win the cup, the landscape will change including the possibility of Sather retiring.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:46 am EST

RR: No way of projecting that with any sense of accuracy next summer (when it comes to contract negotiations with MSL). He'll be back unless he chooses not to return.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:41 am EST

York- Fair points. I am defending him because i think you need a somewhat decent offensive punch from the blueline to be successful in this league, and we haven't had that in ages. When we get one its someone close to 40 who looks pretty worn out, no denying that, but its important to point out the good he still does. And its not nothing so to speak. I think you instantly notice offensively when he is out of the line-up. We loose a dimension.

Ola


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:27 am EST

Well RF, you dont do it unless you believe one of the young guys will produce, carry their weight. I wouldnt expect Buch to be top 3 in scoring, but to do his job, contribute. But you cant judge & build next year's team on last year's trades.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:13 am EST

RR: How realistic do you think that is? 2 first round picks, the latest one being 2015, and you don't bring the guy back for the 15/16 season? IMO, the only way that happens is if MSL retires. MSL is 3rd in team scoring and 2nd in goals. Count on him consuming $5,000,000 of the team's cap (which would be a paycut for him at that).

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:08 am EST

RF, easy fix in my mind. St Louis cant come back. Thats $5m in flex and you got no worries. If you need to keep getting younger in a cap world its a classic case. An expensive 40-yr old is blocking out the Duclairs, Haggertys, Buchnevichs, only one of whom could make it.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:02 am EST

RR: BTW, you aren't off-base with your adjective 'convoluted' to describe Sather's tenure. It is, of course, of his own making.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 11:01 am EST

Staal shouldn't be paid more than Girardi - one is a top 4 d-man on the club and the other a top 2. G makes $5,500,000; Staal should get $5,000,000. Of course it's all based on whatever the market is when the player is negotiating his deal - if Staal hits the open market, he'll likely fetch close to $7,000,000 per on a long term deal.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:57 am EST

RR: I get the loyalty to Staal and agree if he leaves, he'll leave a significant hole. However, I don't agree there's no way he won't get resigned. It really depends in large part on him and how much he's willing to settle for. The cap isn't rising significantly next year but the Ranger roster salary demands will be, as we've cited on here more than once. Half the roster (11 players) are under contract next year and collectively, their salaries come to $45,000,000, meaning less than $30,000,000 will have to be spread out over 11 others. Staal consuming $6,500,000 of that won't cut it, especially when Stepan is sure to get at least $5,000,000 (what Brassard is signed for) and MSL will get that, to0 (meaning now you have less than $15,000,000 for 8 players).

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:47 am EST

I just try to be fair when it comes to Sather; its been such a convoluted tenure.its fitting I guess that as Sather's story heads towards its conclusion that the guy who to me always signified the turnaround needs to be decided upon. Thatd be Marc Staal. Hes not perfect but for us he's been a horse. He & Girardi & Hank of course have really given us our strength. Its why I dont think theres any doubt he's re-upped.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 10:01 am EST

Hospo/Wildcard - Look, the whole MILLER thing is moot, because BRASSARD is coming back soon and yes, he's gonna be the Rangers' top line/1A center...no doubt...I DON'T think HAYES is an effective center...I don't think he's better at the position than Mills...In fact, I think he's FAR more suited for wing, because he plays the same type of game that JAGR does(and no, I'm not comparing the two)...So my position is and continues to be that Hayes shifts up to the wing slot on the Brass line...Nash gets reunited with Step and Kreider and Miller slides down to third with MSL and Hagelin...I think you get the best out of all players that way...but again, my opinion and obviously the Rangers don't agree with me. Just like they seemingly don't agree with others here who see Miller as just a wing.

tdchi


Thu Dec 18 2014 9:56 am EST

York - So glad you're the authority now on MILLER. Again, five games at center as a Ranger. The rest at wing. So what, exactly are you basing your opinion on? And I love how people here think I'm some sort of cheerleader for the kid because I'm stating my own opinion. There are others here who blindly love players. I'm basing my assessment on what I've seen both at the NHL and AHL level. At the later, I've seen a player who is both comfortable at center, strong at both ends and who is more than capable of playing a top line position. Where Miller plays in the NHL? I could give a f@ck. I DO think he's better suited at center then HAYES...my opinion. Don't agree? Fine. I don't really care. I know a lot of you don't...but the truth is, the Rangers are confident enough in him to let him fill in for BRASSARD, rather than move Hayes up to that line...so they're blowing it? Is that what you're saying? That Miller at center has been a calamity? And York...you with this 'sucks away from the puck' business...like it's a fact....Mmmkay...Again...let's get this straight: YOUR OPINION...and one you'd really struggle to justify during his recent call-up. You want to cite a moment that shows how 'bad away from the puck' he's been these recent games? I've watched all of them, so feel free to point one out.

tdchi


Thu Dec 18 2014 9:30 am EST

Good article by LB today, specifically citing the high and low spots of the Rangers play and lineup. I wholeheartedly concur with him on his concern about Boyle, which is basically repeating what some of us in here have been expressing - he'd better get better real soon or else AV is going to have a problem because right now he's simply not very good and IMO should be pressboxed over Moore (but you don't do that if you believe he simply needs more playing time to find his game). LB also points out the 3rd line issues, saying they have no real identity. IMO, that's simply another way of pointing out their lack of offensive output which is due to the fact (IMO) that the centerman is a rookie learning a new position. A deep cup run will be difficult to realize if Hayes doesn't figure that aspect of his game out before then. LB also mentions (again) the big 3 on D, forgetting, for some reason, the superb play of KK. He fears for the Rangers if Staal isn't resigned. I disagree, in large part because KK has played so well. Of bigger concern is the thought of Staal leaving the organization with nothing coming back in return. That shouldn't be allowed to happen, which places Sather in a bind. Just how valuable to this year's success does Sather believe Staal is? Therein lays the key I suspect. If he thinks as LB does, Staal likely won't be traded. An interesting sideline show for sure....

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 9:05 am EST

I should add this (and it occurred to me lately due to the Oiler fall-out): Sather's biggest strength might be his trading prowess. All we seem to hear these days is the cap is handcuffing GMs from using what used to be a key tool to shape/reshape a team - trading. So many are defending MacT's inability to make any trades of significance by pointing out the massive issues dealing with cap hits. Of course, there's some logic there, but how come Sather, in the cap era, has managed to acquire a player like RIck Nash, make a deal that brought in 3 players at once (Brassard, Moore, Dorsett), add Ryan Clowe (even tho it was one of Sather's more inane moves) and MSL and move out a cap crippling contract like Gomez's? I think it's as much to do with guts as it is with cap concerns. Sather isn't afraid to make a deal he thinks will help his club. That, I think, is a reflection of 3 factors: His long tenure in the business, his arrogance and his job for life status. It's this talent that makes me believe a Staal trade will go down by the deadline if contract talks aren't going well.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 8:56 am EST

RR/Bob: Yeah, only a stubborn/blind/nob would argue that Sather hasn't done a decent job over the past 1/2 dozen years. I don't hold the JJ days in the same shiny light as some do in here because I think it bastardized the rebuilding job. Look at the top picks the Rangers missed out on during that time (Tavares and Stamkos to name 2). The best thing he's done is hanging on to his younger players and draft picks and developing within. Again, one could argue in the cap era, not doing so would result in endless mediocrity (at best) because you need a steady flow of cheap talent year after year to properly backfill the higher pay top end players. However, at least Sather seems to understand that and has adopted that philosophy. His trading off all those top end draft picks lately, however, is worrisome and the repercussions could be felt organizationally for the next decade. Of course, if it results in a cup win, who cares? Such is the price of success.

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 8:48 am EST

York: Fair enough, although I'd argue you can point to any successful team and find moves/circumstances that can be attributed to luck. Hell, a prime example is right here in New York with Lundqvist. Given where he was selected, it was more luck than anything else (at that time) that he developed into the premier goalie in the league (and year in/year out the Rangers MVP). Anyways, le'ts hope that the Rangers come into more such luck!

RF4L


Thu Dec 18 2014 8:25 am EST

RF wasn't defending or bagging on sather. Yes the bruins won but how lucky were they that a supposed never was American goalie came over and turned into a beast that carried that team. They also lucked into two other things one chara choosing Boston and Bergeron recovering. Had they lost both savard and Bergeron they would have been toast. The bruins management were as lucky as they were good IMO. Chara decides to sign her and Thomas doesn't come over and history would look very different IMO.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 8:25 am EST

RF wasn't defending or bagging on sather. Yes the bruins won but how lucky were they that a supposed never was American goalie came over and turned into a beast that carried that team. They also lucked into two other things one chara choosing Boston and Bergeron recovering. Had they lost both savard and Bergeron they would have been toast. The bruins management were as lucky as they were good IMO. Chara decides to sign her and Thomas doesn't come over and history would look very different IMO.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 7:06 am EST

OLA he looks bad in his own end sure he makes great high risk passes mo doubt and he's often bailed out by his team when they don't work. I'm a Boyle fan which you don't seem to realize he's just nit brought what he should have so far. I think that has to do with all time missed. And since you wanted to play the math game how about we look at our record without Boyle and think who was missing that was WAY more important who is that? Stepan that's who something you over looked or just decided to leave out to make your point seems like it had legs.

York18


Thu Dec 18 2014 4:33 am EST

RR- saying that Sather basically gave the Rangers a hard re-start post lockout a decade ago with Renney and the Czechs, and that the hockey wasn't all that bad over 2003-2007, the period you say sucked so bad

Messier11


Thu Dec 18 2014 4:19 am EST

York- I am actually not basing my opinion on math, just what I see on the ice when Boyle is playing vs not playing. And I mean, I see a D out there that in some areas defensively is weaker than anything we had in a long time, he looks old. But I also think its fair to point out that he does give us another dimension offensively, I see that too. If you don't see it, its not my problem. As for the stats/math, we are 9-2-2 when Boyle is playing (we are 7-8-2 when he is not playing), and yes we are scoring more goals when he is playing.

Ola


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:57 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/meet-auston-matthews-the-next-next-nhl-draft-phenom/

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:54 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-trading-hall-would-do-little-to-help-oilers-long-term-improvement/

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:28 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/khler-jeff-glass-players-are-getting-hosed-right-now/

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 2:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/17/admit-it-vigneault-rangers-starting-to-remind-us-of-last-season/

mf


Thu Dec 18 2014 1:10 am EST

I have been a Sather critic for many years, long before he came to the Rangers. His "If I had the Rangers money, I would win the cup every year" garbage pissed me off. Then, after criticizing the rangers for spending big bucks, he does the same thing and makes them a true laughingstock. Ron Low? Brian Trottier? He was a first class jerk when he played for the Rangers too. Then comes the lockout and the cap, and he had to stop the dumbness. He brought in Renney, and they tried the Czech thing and got Jagr, and there was improvement. The player personnel stuff and drafting was still crap until Don Maloney left and Sather turned that stuff over to Gordie Clark. To me....he is still an arrogant prick who has not earned the right to be one in NY. I will give him credit for recognizing the Torts error and replacing him with AV. That might be the best move he has made. I will lay off the guy when the cup returns to NYC.....not before. The self-described genius has won squat here with all the resources anyone would ever need.

Bob


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:52 am EST

Not 100% on what youre saying there Mess. Youre saying he was worse? I suppose you could. There's something for everybody with Sather, with his record. I think it comes down to does he snag Stanley. But keep in mind, this is a guy who began Richter's retirement press conference by saying ge doesnt beat his wife. He's a whackjob, and we've definitely been through wackiness. As soon as he showed up he started with John Mclean's giddyup, I knew we were in a different place.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 18 2014 12:30 am EST

RR I started to write a much longer post in response to your last, defending the Renney era of Sather's tenure. I instead will just posit- one could, and many did suck more from 2003-2007. I would also argue a few key unforced mistakes leading up to the most recent lockout, most notably, Tortorella.

Messier11


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:43 pm EST

SATHER SUCKS! No, seriously, from 2000-07, you could not suck more. He simply put together not just one of the worst runs in Rangers or NHL history, but in executive sports history.It is foolish and deceptive (he has a whole apparatus for that) to suggest otherwise for a single second. The RECORD, 8 years of playoff futility (1-2 years belonged to Smith) coupled with max budgets were just a staggering failure. Thats the record till 2006-07-08ish. Since then imo, gotta give the man his due. He's built a young team I love, more quality kids coming; too many in fact, we're outta room.he really won me over that old sumbitch. He is a pure hockey man, has seen & experienced more than all of us combined. I cant hold it against him that Dolan didnt fire him. Hold that against Dolan, but at least Sather turned it around. People like to credit the cap but that does him a diservice in a way. Many of those Sather specials that made us strong, Stralman, Boyle, Puliot, Zuc, those moves had his fingerprints all over them. He went to europe to scout Zuc. Even, I believe canned Torts in part due to his handling of him, a coaching change many questioned considering Torts success. But he tells Mess (and I believe no. 99 - and those guys are like his children) no thanks and his choice, AV goes to the SCF.I firmly believe the best is yet to come, and its not all Sather; Schoney, Gorton, they do it by committee, but theyre making the correct calls, consistently (if slowly sometimes). But Sather is making these things happen, like Nash. He was rottweiler after him, and hows that looking today? It is a remarkably complex story, a tale really of two GMs.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 10:20 pm EST

York: Huh? Are you forgetting the Bruins won a cup between those 2 trades? Yes, the Seguin trade is looking quite dubious, but in 2011, 5 years after his hiring, he engineered the Bruins to a cup win, after that Kessel trade. Glen Sather, the man you are defending in your post (or appear to be), has been the Ranger architect for 13+ years and hasn't accomplished that. In fact, Sather hasn't won a thing for nearly 25 years. Sather deserves all the criticism he gets on here IMO. And then some. I maintain that the most impressive feat on his resume since coming to New York is his job for life status.

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:19 pm EST

Jt jitters better keep his head up or he might get lindrosed... Maybe his fan club president can sweet tweet him...

stevielegs


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:16 pm EST

Sather would volunteer for a job in Cuba with cigars ... Hope he goes ....and takes jimmy with him ...he can join the buena vista social club....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 17 2014 8:10 pm EST

Not the "Cigars?"

mf


Wed Dec 17 2014 7:49 pm EST

Screw Las Vegas move Coyotes to Havana call them the Castros

Messier11


Wed Dec 17 2014 5:24 pm EST

Step, would I deal Kreider for Lucic? Lucic is 26 but I get the feeling his best production, meaning his unbridled ferocity & 30-goal pace, may have peaked. That style beats the hell out of anybody. Last time I saw him he wasnt skating well, he got TKOd; idk, just think hes a guy that could start to fade at 28 while Kreider is 23 & ascending. Theres also the question of who is better for us, who fits AV, who fits this franchise. Lucic is threatening MTL players in the handshake line LOL, catching attitude with reporters; that doesnt fly so well in Dolanland. So right now Id say no, I wouldnt. 2-3 years ago you probably have to make that trade. Lucic was & remains an almost totally unique player.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 5:11 pm EST

The bruins trade kessel and he's a beast they trade TS and he's a beast I could only imagine if sather had done that people here would have hired a hitman

York18


Wed Dec 17 2014 3:41 pm EST

BTW, the irony associated with the Bruins seeking Hall is quite amusing. They traded away Kessel and landed the number 2 pick in the Hall/Seguin draft year, ended up with Seguin then inexplicably traded him away for clearly what is appearing to be a more lopsided deal (by far) than the one that fetched them the pick. Now, as Seguin leads the league in scoring, they are desperate for offense and seeking out Hall. Kind of a fustercluck. No?

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 3:30 pm EST

stepon: I've heard that, too and the rumours are that the Oilers are insisting Lucic be part of the return. I've also heard McQuaid, Kjeci, a pick and a prospect. IMO, that's not as good a deal as say Staal and Kreider/Miller assuming Staal agrees to a new deal. McQuaid would be exposed IMO on a team that's not so dirty and not so defensive. Krejci is good, but wouldn't bring to the Oil the value Staal would IMO.

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 3:20 pm EST

RR; would you do Lucic for Kreids ?

stepunmytoe


Wed Dec 17 2014 3:09 pm EST

Meant to say, and screw the Bruins even more.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 3:06 pm EST

Hall for Lucic, pick isnt bad trade for either team. Bruins supposedly had enough of butt ugly Marchant last year, but hes not enough for Hall. again I dont see the impetus to move Hall unless theres injury concerns or behind the scenes stuff going on. Anyway, screw the Oil.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 2:59 pm EST

stepunmytoe: I hope that at least he is helping to drive the price up for other eastern teams.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 2:19 pm EST

The talk up here in New England is the Bruins are trying to pull off a big trade or two to shake up the team. Number 1 target being Hall. Wonder who their willing to give up ? Supposedly talking to multiple teams to create cap space. I sure hope Sather is at least kicking the tires on Hall.

stepunmytoe


Wed Dec 17 2014 1:15 pm EST

HOSPO: Exactly what I said...but done with fewer words and more to the point and much better said!

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:57 pm EST

Wow, is this MILLER thing still going on? Bottom line to me is it's pretty assinine to play him at TOP 9 center with a healthy team--all of Brass, Step, Hayes play way before him...Next question is where does he help the team most? 4th line C over Moore? Not! Unlss we want to lose 70% of FOs! Or WING where he plays best and helps the team most? So simple....The only reason for putting him elsewhere is to selfishly proove an opinion or prediction..

Hospo


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:37 pm EST

TD you are delusional when it comes to miller and always have been. He has sucker away from the puck and made bone headed plays with it more often then not at center hence why he has been sent down so often. He couldn't even hold a spot handed to him on the team this season and you think hrs comfortable at center and there is nothing to suggest he isn't? Well other than him almost saying as much in his PR speak? All you have to do is look at his production as a winger against his production as a center and you can see where he's more comfortable and plays better.

York18


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:55 am EST

SO who do you bump out of center? I mean seriously...to put Miller at center who do you move? Not Brass, he is producing at .89 ppg, Stepan? He has a .94 ppg season going on (even after missing a chunk of time with a broken leg) Hayes well, he is at .46 ppg, but has only 2 points less in 26 games than Miller has in 66, and Miller has all (or maybe all but 1) of his points from wing this season at a .40 ppg pace. Moore, well, he is a good 4th line center, not all about points from his position. So Miller who has looked good on wing should push aside 1 of the 3 centers on the team that have played well at center? Hayes would be the only one to make any sense to bump....but why would you? He has out produced Miller from center at the NHL level, and he is only getting better.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:37 am EST

Wildcard - It's very rare that you find a professional sports athlete that speaks in anything but generalities and platitudes. That's why when someone quotes one of them and says "AHA!!' I kind of chuckle. I stand by my assertion that MILLER is a very good center and can play the position well at the NHL level...I see nothing to suggest discomfort or that he's out of position or that he's playing like a wing or any of the above. Is wing easier? Yeah. Certainly. But for the type of player he is, he has all the tools to play the center position...and ultimately, I don't give a toss where he plays, so as long as he's playing like he did last night, which is with confidence and energy....He and KREIDER could be a lethal one-two combo if they both maintain the type of game they played last night.

tdchi


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:35 am EST

RF4L: Isn't he out there with Nash right now? I can't seem to remember....if so...its hard to be noticed when Nash is in beast mode like he has been. He steals the show so much. MSL if you just watch him (i went back and watched the first period from last night) you will see basically the same player he has been. He is making good plays, getting the puck deep, winning battles the way he does (it looks different but he finds a way to get the puck without the size) he is good in all 3 zones and isn't a liability. He could be better in some areas for sure...almost everyone could...maybe save Nash at the moment, but he is producing and helping the team produce....17 points in 19 games is nothing to shrug off.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:31 am EST

Also, at center....lets look at this holistically. In the NHL, the top 30 points per game centers. (including Gomez with 8 gp, and 2 others with 11 gp) there are 9 teams with 2 centers on that ppg top 30 list. DAL, PIT, PHI, DET, ANA, TBL, NSH, NYI and the Rangers, one team the Sharks have 3. Weiss for DET has only played 11 games, Krejci the same for Boston (otherwise they have none others in the top 30 ppg) Some teams have none in the top 30 for ppg. The Rangers are better at center than given credit. One would think, that Hayes will have a shot at being at .75 ppg or so later this season, and perhaps next season, he has shown he is capable. Next season the Ragners could be one of those teams with 3 of the top 30 producing per game average centers. That along with the way the wing position is shoring up, and the D either on the team or coming up (perhaps losing Staal however and thats a big hit) and the guys in net...well...how many teams could at least on paper, say they were better, top to bottom from the net out?

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:31 am EST

Wild: Imagine how good that group of wingers would be with Taylor Hall in a Ranger jersey!!!!

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:23 am EST

I also believe MSL's age is showing from time to time. I thought he was invisible against the Oilers (although in his defense, so were a bunch of his mates) and I hardly noticed him last night, too. That is not a good thing for someone being counted on to produce offense. However, he's done enough so far this season to make that acceptable - it's the pluses/minuses of having ancient players taking on important roles.

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:21 am EST

IMO, the biggest risk with Boyle is his age - injuries no doubt have slowed him, but to what extent is his age a factor? We will find out in the next several weeks (assuming he doesn't get hurt again).

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:19 am EST

Rabid: Awesome...I like the way you think. And yeah, Boyle has been adventurous....but like I said, the risk that you take with him out there is counted by the fact that teams have to adjust to him, the have for years, and they continue to. You can't assume as a defender that someone will pick off his home-run pass or that it will not connect, to with him out there, and Nash or Kreider, or Hags moving up the ice, you have to open up the D and that leaves passing and skating lanes. If they act like his passes will not work, risky as they are, the will get burned by one, because for every 5 that doesn't work 1 does, and it usually results in a really top end scoring chance.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:14 am EST

Boyle cant be called a liability until his plays result in GA. We're pitching shutouts right now, so its just adventurous so far lol.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:13 am EST

td: that sounds like PR speak for "I don't like it, but with good players and the opportunity to play at the NHL level I would play Defense" He would be an idiot to say "I don't like playing center" AV would send his ass packing for not getting "it" and doing what it took for the team with a smile...as any couch should. Personally I don't care about the words that he uses, i watch the game and see a wing playing at center, and a young player who looks a HELL of a lot more comfortable on the ice from the wing. Yeah he played really well the last couple games, but the games before that, he was one of the best players on the ice, the last two games, no, he was overshadowed by more than one. Thats not a bad thing mind you, it happens, but he just looks so much more loose on wing, and he plays with this edge and confidence thats just awesome. He should be put back on wing, and only moved to center in emergency situation. Otherwise call up a center from the AHL. He is a really good wing, really really good. The best he has played in the NHL was those first what, 3 games, at wing, and I am excited for him to get back to wing. The Rangers are on the verge of having one of the best group of wings in the NHL. With Zucc seeming to find his game the last 4 or 5, Kreider starting the last 2 games to look more like himself (now with the weight off his back getting a goal) Fast looking better each game, Miller finding another level we all hoped he would find, Hags looking good, MSL doing better than he is getting credit for (17 points in the last 19 games) and Nash...well, yeah. I mean the weakest links are Glass and Stemp. Glass I could see coming back out when Brass returns. leaving only Stemp as a guy who isn't playing great...and he is playing well at that.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:06 am EST

RF4L: I would agree with that. His production and passing and stuff need to be much improved over the next 10-15 games. If not there is a more serious problem. But like I just said, he has played 12 games since his return from injury, and he missed time in the middle of that due to being sick, and who knows how sick he was. You get a nasty bug and it takes a common office worker a few days to get back to 100%...for an NHL player that means looking bad for a game or two. Lets see what he looks like after his timing with Staal is more automatic, and he is fully healed and up to game speed. We get a bonus, christmas break, than all-star break a short while after, both will give his body time to rest (i doubt he will be in the all-star game) and that can only do good things in that regard. Playing is what he needs for some of it, and by January he should be showing great strides.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:03 am EST

"There are different responsibilities at center, but I don’t want to make it seem like it’s a burden. I’m playing with great players. The way I look at it is that it’s a great opportunity for me.” --That doesn't sound like discomfort. Sounds like he knows playing wing is easier. Which it is.

tdchi


Wed Dec 17 2014 11:02 am EST

York/td: Miller just looks more dangerous from the wing and still makes great passes from there. He just looks like a wing out there, and when he plays center, as I said the other day, he reminds me, the way he looks like a winger out of position, like MSL at center early this season. Not "bad" but not as fluid. The same way that to me Hayes LOOKS like a center, the way he moves, the way he carries the puck, it just screams CENTER. On Boyle, td, yeah, he hasn't had an impact much YET, he has also been recovering from an injury and being sick. He has not been great for sure, but his play in his own end has been overblown. No one is on here talking about the 5 yes 5 times I counted that Hunwick basically passed the puck to a guy in red. It doesn't reflect on his stats (and why I hate looking at stats like those) but he had at lest 2 in each period. Soft passes that went right on the stick of a flame, not a hard pass to make it difficult to intercept, but gentle easy setups for a guy in stride. Some how, Boyle and his couple giveaways was way worse.And while he isn't getting points, you are not watching if you don't see the D on the PK move to keep a man on him. he moves the PK box all by himself. Don't forget, the Rangers PP had been terrible terrible and he came back and they scored in back to back games. Also over the last 15, or something games, the Rangers are at 19.4%. Doesn't sound great, but 10 games in they were at 16%, Boyle has been in most of the games that have the better PP%. Most of the time coaches say it takes about 20 games to get into game shape if you mss time...to get back to 100% up to speed and timing and on the same page with teammates. Boyle has played all of 13 games....and the first 13 games with his team and only 12 of those post injury. I know its hard, and everyone needs to be JT Miller(for you td) or an all-star top of the NHL in every category player or they suck on this wall but he will get better and the Rangers will be better for having him.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 10:53 am EST

I agree Boyle's not brought much and if anything, he's been more of a liability than anything else. He's weak defensively and can't seem to make or take a pass. For now, I'll grant him the benefit of the doubt due to his age and missed time. Assuming he stays healthy, I will be expecting a ton more by the end of January, especially offensively.

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 10:38 am EST

TD stop he was talking about comfort which is why he said it was easier and center is harder at this level. As for last nights game he had a good game but I want production not just effort

York18


Wed Dec 17 2014 10:37 am EST

On BOYLE - Count me as one who doesn't see how he's dialing up this offense a great deal...I see flashes of it here and there, but really...you got a guy who's been putting up zeros across the board...regularly turns over the puck and has been a defensive liability...I didn't see much of him last night...did see a couple times where he aided the rush...but really, that win as well as the one against Vancouver..and actually a lot of our wins this season have been a result of the forwards being VERY aggressive on the forecheck. Seems like they've almost simplified the game for the defense because they're not relying so much on the breakout pass...turnovers was what lost that game for Calgary...But back to Boyle...To me, he's the weakest link in the back line...and were I the Rangers, I'd strongly consider buying him out at the end of the season unless he finds the fountain of youth somewhere. His game has dropped off precipitously.

tdchi


Wed Dec 17 2014 10:11 am EST

York - I stand by my assessment, just like I've stood by MILLER...And if you re-read his quote, he doesn't say anything about comfort. He saying wing is easier. And he's right. Any hockey player will tell you the same thing. It's a no-brainer: Center is a more cerebral position than wing. The kid has played TWO games at center since his callup...both very well...and you're harping about his production dropping? Not sure if you watched last night's game, but that was one of his best this season. No, he didn't get on the scoreboard, but you know full well that doesn't tell the full story. He played the position much like he was playing it in Hartford. I think he was on the ice for one of the Calgary goals, which happened to be a sick tip-in by HUDLER..not his fault...had one giveway and three take-aways...one, which was pretty sweet...motored from behind, cut the guy off and stripped him of the puck fluidly...so I'm not sure why you're thumbing your nose at me.

tdchi


Wed Dec 17 2014 10:03 am EST

York: Agree on Boyle. I am not as concerned with his D play as others, and his offensive game will pick up I am certain as he gets more games in. As you said, he hasn't played enough to capture his true impact on the team. I do think, its just MHO of course, that by seasons end we will all know his impact on the team, and that it will be positive. The games he has played I can say that I notice he is given respect by the other teams D. When he cares the puck they don't go right at him like they do Staal or Giradi. Those guy the Dman collapse on as quick as possible, when Boyle carries the puck they don't do that, I think its because they know he has the ability to make them miss, and he would be in alone or on an odd man rush. Also, even though it has not worked great (but 19.4 % over the last 15 or something I read isn't bad) the PP looks so much better with Boyle on the point. He moves the puck well, he moves his feet with and with out the puck and he makes great passes through lanes that I wouldn't have thought were there. Yeah his passes tend to be a little higher risk but sometimes you need that. The risk taking every now and again keeps both team honest, and gives some room for the less risky stuff. under Torts set of rules and due to personnel last season there was none of that, and it slowed the offensive game down. I think having more of that will help more than hurt. And with Hank, and Talbot manning the cage, you can handle some breakdowns and giveaways.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:46 am EST

Ola it's not your problem what your problem is is simple math he hasn't played enough to have a real impact he's missed more than he has played.

York18


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:23 am EST

Jesus, Fla & Was went 20 SO rounds?! 20? Did somebody mention that as already? Just saw it on news.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:20 am EST

Trade Kreider. Trade Zuc. Trade'm all.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:19 am EST

Ill say this for Boyle: he makes risky passes but most are making it or we're recovering off the turnover, so we're not getting lit. A guy like that, gotta trust his instincts. Im sure a few will end up in our net but right now we are STINGY. More encouraging I thought he had good legs last night. His hand will improve. Figured itd be a rough month coming back. Bad injury for a finesse guy. AV said 1st time he ever saw D to D pass for a breakaway. Not sure I caught it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:16 am EST

Nice to see Kreider play better.

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 9:01 am EST

York- And just for the record, like said, I am worried about his defense and age in general, I am not at all sold on that he can hold up and perform his parts in the POs for example. With that said, he has a big impact on the team with his passing. Our structure when attacking as a team is different and should definitely not be underrated either...

Ola


Wed Dec 17 2014 8:58 am EST

York- If you don't see the impact Boyle have on the team and only see the turnovers, you don't know what to look for. Not my problem.

Ola


Wed Dec 17 2014 8:52 am EST

Hall is a talented and dynamic player, but injury prone. He misses a lot of games. He is a big name and may be available(I doubt it) so he gets on the Wall's fantasy trade wish. But, given our roster and the kids in the wings, he is not what we need. RNH on the other hand would set us up for years to come. A dominant first line center with a Brass or Stephan as a number two makes us a much more formidable team.

gene_carr


Wed Dec 17 2014 8:52 am EST

York: Re Hall and JT and one puck - yeah, that's true, but that's not been an issue for many top lines, both currently and through out history. Watch Kessel and JVR - both love to carry the puck and seem to have no problem scoring together. Crosby and Malkin often play together too. Bottom line is I sure hope Snow isn't able to pry Hall away from the Oilers.

RF4L


Wed Dec 17 2014 8:47 am EST

Funny to read Miller admit he is more comfortable at Wing at the NHL level despite TDs claims that he is better at center. I don't think it's any surprise his production has dropped amd his chances since moving back to the middle. It's good he can play all positions but he's a kid and needs stability and growth in one position.....Ola not sure what Boyle you're watching with these elite passes and his impact is being grossly exaggerated consider how much time he has missed.......RF there's only one puck on the ice at a time hall and tavs at the same time means someones numbers will suffer......Kreider hopefully got the 800lb gorilla off his back last night and good to see him look relieved. Anyone saying trade him is nuts look at how many power forwards were given up on by there teams too early before they had a chance to mature this team is about to get talented and deep up front if jt and Kreider grow throw in buch amd the duke this team starts to look scary good in the future

York18


Wed Dec 17 2014 7:58 am EST

Boyle has a way to go, but he has top end skill. MSL is making some nice passes for assists. As long as they are winning , there will be guys with great, good, so-so, and bad nights....the good sign is they won without brassard....and they are not losing points....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 17 2014 7:51 am EST

“It’s impressive to see,” Lundqvist said of Nash, who opened the scoring on a breakaway at 11:22 of the first before extending his team’s lead to 3-0 by finishing a shorthanded two-on-one at 3:06 of the second. “It gives the team a lot of confidence when a player like that raises his game to that level.” Nash is at the height of his powers, playing the type of dominant hockey at both ends of the ice that had general manager Glen Sather salivating for years when No. 61 was in Columbus. This is the player for whom the Blueshirts were willing to break up the 2011-12 Eastern Conference finalists in order to obtain. “Every time he has a chance, he does something special,” Marc Staal said. “You’re watching him, he finishes it off, and you just shake your head, shrug your shoulders. “It’s, ‘There he goes again,’ ” Staal continued. “When he’s doing this, it’s such a huge lift. It takes so much pressure off everyone’s shoulders.”

stevielegs


Wed Dec 17 2014 7:19 am EST

Ola; I don't know what your watching as far as Bolye is concerned. I don't see all these unique passes from him you mention. I do know he is not just "ok" defensively but an absolute train wreck in his own zone. He's a turnover machine. And I really haven't seen the impact on the PP from him at all. As a matter of fact, his defensive liability is far out weighing his offensive impact. I really don't think teams are cringing when he is on the ice.... but I sure do !

stepunmytoe


Wed Dec 17 2014 6:03 am EST

On Boyle, I don't disagree with anyone on his defensive game. And his point-total isn't up there. However, we have a diffrent out-look as a team when he is on the ice, a team that challenge the Ds in other ways than we do without him. He makes passes no D has done for us in a real long time. Look at the amount of goals we have scored this year, we are up there in the top of the league which we haven't been in ages. I shouldn't overstate the impact of Boyle, but he definitely has a big impact on our offense. D's just don't get in that comfort zone, and that has an impact over the full 60 minutes. When you play us with Boyle dressed, a Ds has to be aware that they will not only face standard plays.

Ola


Wed Dec 17 2014 4:52 am EST

Very important win. 2 pts is only 2 pts. But for the confidence of this team -- that has played well in many areas looking back of the last month -- I think its real important to get 4 in a row. We need luck to build a monster streak. But with Car x 2, Was, NJD, Dal and Fla coming up just 4 of 6 would really move us in the right direction if we look back to where we were 9 days ago.

Ola


Wed Dec 17 2014 1:54 am EST

Stop & think what Nash's 20 goals before xmas meant for this team. Theyd probably be 4-5 games under .500 instead of over it. All the injuries and mumps, the sloppy play & bad starts would have been magnified, Hank would have started every game, thered be a lot more pressure, even if Nash just had an ordinary 10-goal output now. Long way of saying he's carrying the team. Anybody see MSL? In like, the last week? Time for everybody to get going. Not reason we cant win 16 of 20 or dimilar. Time for a fat streak.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 1:31 am EST

mf- Yes. Moore to AHL would require waivers, unless you're advocating for a conditioning stint.

Messier11


Wed Dec 17 2014 1:23 am EST

Hewwwww...hopefully we stop trading Kreider for awhile.....

MelvilleFred


Wed Dec 17 2014 1:22 am EST

These Western conference games sure lack passion. Nice to leave with 6 points from 3 snoozers though.

Bob


Wed Dec 17 2014 1:10 am EST

Boyle definitely not shy about throwing the puck up the middle of the ice. We are so not used to seeing that. I get that same breathless feeling, its like having Geno Smith on your blueline.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:40 am EST

M11: are you referring to J.Moore?

mf


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:21 am EST

mf- waivers

Messier11


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:21 am EST

The Domination of Western Canada

Messier11


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:07 am EST

Somebody was pining for a Hall or Tavares today. You know this Nash frlla isnt too bad! But I know, its all about the birth certificate, not the hockey. Heaven forbid a guy is a decrepid 29 rather than 24, hes a Ken Hodge rent-a-Ranger and not worthy of excitement. Internet GMing at its finest!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 17 2014 12:06 am EST

Stevie: Nash Stats: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2288

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:47 pm EST

AV: If you're not going to play J.Moore, why not send him to Hartford to play top pair minutes with McIlrath? Logical?

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:45 pm EST

Nash-math: Nash is avg .68965 gpg, and is on pace to score 56.55 goals, 36.75 assists for a total of 93.3 points for the season... He may win the 2014/15 "Back from La La Land award." ..... Special mention; Hank picks up his 1st assist of the season on Stepan's goal....

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:39 pm EST

Our GAA is now 2.586 down from 2.607 --- I Really don't fault them giving up the PP goal late in the game... Good team defensive effort

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:37 pm EST

Nice win tonight.....Kreider much better and can't say enough about Nash.....Oh and Dan Boyle blows....

PJ


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:36 pm EST

How many trips did these blind refs not call?

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:28 pm EST

2 games in a row with EN; did they hit their quota for the season.

DOUBLEN


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:09 pm EST

From muenster to Limburger ?

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:07 pm EST

Miller might be hurt ... The hits keep coming ... He's not paying attention ...

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:01 pm EST

stevie; Not both - one and Staal for Hall. Just musing is all. BTW, apparently Boston and Pittsburgh are in the hunt for Hall. How either could fit him under their cap is beyond me.

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:58 pm EST

Moof what's the nash math up to?

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:57 pm EST

Rf who do you want to trade them for ? Guess your kid k trade value was your joke of the day?... 2 sather picks...

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:54 pm EST

SLegs: Nash's trade value has never been higher! ;-)

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:53 pm EST

stevie: With all due respect, that's just plain dumb!

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:52 pm EST

limbo et al: Believe it or not I recall Hudler's draft year when the Rangers had no first because of the stupid Bure trade and when it came time for NY's first selection (33rd overall) I was hoping they'd select Hudler. Instead, Sather opted for Lee Faraleau who's grand total of NHL games = 0. LOL....

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:52 pm EST

Rf4l need more picks , trade both of them ...

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:49 pm EST

Jiri Hudler always reminds me of GuitarRanger

limbo


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:48 pm EST

BTW, so is Jitters Miller - quite impressive.

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:47 pm EST

Kreider upping his trade value!!!

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:21 pm EST

vamoose ramos

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:20 pm EST

step-on

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:08 pm EST

and which side of the ice was that goal? exactly, the man is a better LW. jmon

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:06 pm EST

Pair of Nashty's !! woohoo

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:06 pm EST

shorty nashty

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:53 pm EST

" He has come to reclaim Rome!!"

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:44 pm EST

Kreider was hilarious on that! "Thank God!"

JFC31


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:43 pm EST

read his lips ...' thank God'.....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:42 pm EST

kid k arooooo

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:26 pm EST

Another NASHTY goal!

DOUBLEN


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:25 pm EST

nasharoooooo

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:24 pm EST

Thanks NN. Got it at 9pm, then lost it, same link. Must be something with the flux capacitor.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:07 pm EST

outbtuenguys ?

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:05 pm EST

Wild -- perhaps it''s our respective definitions of "Ragdoll" that's causing the disagreement because if you think,thatnZuccarello,regularly gets knocked off his feet and down to,the ice on a regular basis that it's you who've been watching a different player. Yes, Zuccarello will not be knocking guys backwards with punishing hits, but not every board battle is about separating the player from the puck,with brute force trauma. Zuccarello,often aims to,take outbtuenguys hands, he is very good at tying guys up along the boards to allow others to get in and he fishes the puck out well too. I actually think he does an excellent job getting pucks loose along the boards. Again, when your have a guy with his skill set and the type of fire and drive that wins Extra Effort Awards, you'd think we should be talking about ways of,keeping the guy rather than talking about him possibly being fodder...buy that's just MWO. He's fourth on the team in scoring and is a plus 7. Who on this team back checks better than Zuccarello? back checking really exemplifies players who "get it" AFAIAC...easy to,teach but only HEART makes it happen. stevie -- not making excuses for Miller, just saying that right when he looked ready to put his act together and solidify himself, he kinda gets a "set back". I'm just hoping he gets through it and gets back to wing where he seems to be reestablishing his cred.

JFC31


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:03 pm EST

RR: http://blabseal.de/rangers/

DOUBLEN


Tue Dec 16 2014 8:57 pm EST

Double N, what's the frequency? She quit working' tonight!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 6:59 pm EST

STEVIE - Forgot about him..Maybe him and KAMENSKY can be a package deal for the PO push..:)

Hospo


Tue Dec 16 2014 6:57 pm EST

Bob - Nah, we need a puck mover..PER DJOOS (the father!)

Hospo


Tue Dec 16 2014 6:57 pm EST

how about the real bozo.....?....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/atrplayer.htm?id=8458544

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 6:47 pm EST

Henrik Tallinder released from his try out. Who is next? Rumun Ndur?

Bob


Tue Dec 16 2014 6:02 pm EST

moof want to buy a decoder ring? with a whistle?..http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=decoder+ring&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=36278178219&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=s&hvrand=15077109962933747145&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_5e2s05te5c_e..."There’s no wrong way to toss a cow turd. But veterans of the World Championship Cow Chip Throwing Contest in Beaver, Oklahoma, will tell you that throwing overhanded will send it farther than a Frisbee-style fling, and a flick of the wrist at the release will help counter the persistent plains winds that threaten to send the chip out of bounds."..... video on YouTube if you want ......http://modernfarmer.com/2014/06/inside-world-championship-cow-chip-throwing-contest/

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 5:30 pm EST

STEVIE - Got ya...Sounds about right..all his struggles have been Top 9 center..Hopefully his confidence will translate and he can mentally handle the 2nd or 3rd C..Would add alot of flexibility to the team if he could..

Hospo


Tue Dec 16 2014 5:11 pm EST

Slegs: Is that like, "from the mountains, to the prairie, to the uh, wait, gotta graze in the prairie.... Hey when is the official 2015 Stevielegs Wall Post decoder manual coming out? moooof

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 5:00 pm EST

Taylor Hall in Long Island/Brooklyn, alongside JT? Yikes - the Rangers need to go all in perhaps just to keep that pair from happening!!

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 4:51 pm EST

Another Big getaway game for the boys in Blue tonight. Calgary will be no pushover. We need to watch our gaps, the Calgary D is always active in the offensive zone. If we don't stay tight on the back check they will score some easy goals from the trailer. If we maintain that tight back check we may be able to exploit the aggressive D and get some odd man rushes a la Vancouver. We can out skate this team if we keep the shifts short and roll four lines. I like our chances tonight. Then home and home against the Canes. LGR!!!

DCIGolfer


Tue Dec 16 2014 4:43 pm EST

Hospo from clueless to bozos without an effort....it sounds like miller is nervous at center in the nhl....too much responsibility on a kid playing on the 1st or 2nd line. that's why I suggested he play on the 3rd or 4th as a center, and move d moore up until brassard gets back....I'm pretty sure the kid doesn't want to get sent back to Hartford again.....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:58 pm EST

Wild: Perhaps Zucc is engaging himself more than ever in the rough & tumble areas of the ice because he learned last year just what it takes to get to the Cup... The fact & fault that his mates don't have his back in a NY Heartbeat, I lay at the feet of Coach Aveeno Oatmeal.. As for the earlier comparisons to MSL, MSL more than likely mastered what it takes for a player of this size to survive & then flourish in the NHL.. Give Zucc time, he seems like a quick learner.. Probably gets it from Miller & Kreider! ;-)

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:47 pm EST

JFC/STEVIE..No matter what us bozos on here say, All I know is JT MILLER at WING has played pretty damn good the last couple of games for the Rangers...Out of necessity, the Rangers have to break up this optimum setting and move him to C...It's unfortunate..But .I see no complaining on JT's part...we'll see if he can carry it over to C..If so, great, if not, you get him back to Wing as soon as possible instead of playing the square peg game..

Hospo


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:46 pm EST

Rabid: VAN has been a top team in the west this year. They are not some easy win....don't know about injuries and the like, but they sit today ahead of LA and SJ with games in hand. So beating them up is no small thing, and shows that when the Rangers are playing well they are a really good team. Of course, it could have been a rougher trip, and the Flames have faltered some recently...that of course can make there dangerous since they want to end their skid. But still, not the challenge it could have been with other teams.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:40 pm EST

jfc now it's woe is me for jt jitters? the president of his fan club says he belongs at center, and needs top line minutes. most of his ahl career has been at center. sounds like you and jt have the jitters. they can call up mule-her or limburger, if monster miller turns into muenster.....the only yoyo has been him going up and down.....let's see him stick already.....no excuses.....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:29 pm EST

RE Zucc: He does get rag dolled a lot...more this year than ever...sorry...if you can't see it your not watching. He goes along the walls and just gets moved...he doesn't do the moving. Unless he is able to get position BEFORE the other guy he is lost. Also, 3.5 mil was given to Zucc this season based on him BUILDING off last season. He has regressed. Market value for Zucc taking his entire NHL career is 3-3.5 per. Again, I have said, for that I get him signed ASAP. If (IF now) he is looking for 5 mil per...sorry dude...your not worth that. The PROBLEM with the Ragners for years and years and years has always been paying guys big bucks because they MIGHT get to the level to deserve the big bucks. EVERYONE on this wall griped about that. But for Zucc? Well sure, pay him like a point per game player when he has never done it...because he plays hard. Again, I like Zucc a lot, but not enough to sacrifice Staal and or Hags. There is limited cap space...and even if you shed Glass and his 1.4 cap hit, you STILL have major issues if you give Zucc 4.5 or more per. He needs to keep going like he has started to over the last few games. He keeps this play of late up and he will start looking like that guy most of you seem to see beyond what he has ever shown. Still, I like him at the most 4 mil per for 4-5 years. That would bring him to 31-32 years old, and if he is still playing well, you can try to re-up him for 2-3 more. No need to give him a contract that is 6-7 years long...well unless its at 3.5 per...than yeah...but he will be looking for more...lots more.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:17 pm EST

Anyway, some perspective amid the trade suggestions; We've won 5 of 7 and a win tonight completes a (mini, no LA-ANA-SJ) west coast sweep. I don't know Hank had to stop a difficult shot all weekend.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:09 pm EST

Sustr dressed for us in Traverse City a few years back. I think it was the same year Stepan was there in what was Step's rookie year. I remember him looking pretty good and thought just by his size alone we might have taken a flyer on signing him to HFD

PatrickDiv


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:04 pm EST

JF: Spot on re: Zucc!!!! Heart and talent and well liked in the room. Took a discounted 1yr deal to stay here and do right by the team. He should be considered a core player. More heart & guts than most and by the end of the year (mark it down) he will have the stats to back it up. Shocking how many here want to ship him out. If MSL doesn't take a 2M incentive-laden over 35yr old deal to stay here then ship his ass out. I will roll my dice on Zucc.

PatrickDiv


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:04 pm EST

Amen. Zuc is a Bad Motherfucker. ;)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:01 pm EST

And BTW, I've always liked JT Miller and think he's got a hell of a lot of ingredients we need....and I'll be rooting for him hard now because he's being put in a difficult position and being yo-yo'd. I know he's got to,step up for the sake of the team and go back to center, but after being sent to Hartford to,learn center, then having SUCCESS at the wing (which many here were advocating all along), he's now asked to go back and play center. Just when he should be brimming with confidence and ready to put it all,together, now he has to readjust to,center, he needs to,THINK instead of just riding the wave he was creating. Not fair....butch that's the way tingles sometimes. I just hope,the position he's being placed in is appreciated.

JFC31


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:54 pm EST

Anyone here think the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award is a meaningless joke? I don't....AAMAOF, I think it is a very important award to Rangers fansand speaks volumes about the importance of a player to the Rangers. There's a reason Zuccarello,won that award....it's the size of his HEART and the way he plays the game. Name me one other forward who plays harder than Zucc on this team. There are none. So, let's make Zuccarello available so we can get some more SIZE!? No offense, but fu€|< that sh!t....that's the same tired old thought process us that left MSL without a top college to,play for and without an NHL that deemed him draft-able....the same garbage that gave us a league of clutching/grabbing/hooking BIG GUYS who,played a st Yale that almost ruined the sport. We have a 27 year old winger who sees the ice like few others, is offensively creative and passes the puck better as well as,anyone on this team. He slows,the game down when needed, can control the offensive zone (especially on themPP,when given a chance), he hits, he wins board battles, skates consistently hard, back checks and on top,of everything else....is,probably the feistiness guy on the team. We don't know what he'll give us after this season? He gets ragdolled,on a regular basis? Since when? Give the guy market value and lock him up. He's everything you could want in a core player. Can't believe some of this stuff...really. SIZE?? Feh!

JFC31


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:53 pm EST

Ya know, IDK MF. I'm in a totally different place this year on personnel moves. I want to win, I want that Cup & I want it NOW. they've got to be very careful not to disrupt the good that we know is here. Seriously, doubting Zuc or Kreider or even McD if he's healthy is foolish IMO. These guys were there, they played to an extremely high level, and they want to go back. Their having their struggles right now , but better now than later. Each of them is too good not to bust out. And the few newbie question marks we have, JT, Fast, Hayes? Pretty damn good results the far. Hayes, like I keep saying, his role, 3C is PIVOTOL, literally ;) but this kid looks a pretty good hockey player, he's working every day with guys like Stephan he can watch & learn from, nothing but upside there. Hagelin BTW says he talks all kinds of stupid shit in practice Haha. Good. That's a carefree kid playing loose, learning, it really wouldnt surprise me to see Hayes get red hot, but he also needs a finisher (Kreider). So how you prep for trades right now is hard to say. I think they need to see Hayes this month.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:52 pm EST

Frankly, I think the Oil would be nuts to trade either RNH or HALL...and like I said below, I don't think either WILL be traded unless it's a king's ransom. Was looking at some rumor sites and the suspected asking price for Hall is through the roof...one guy said the Isles might be interested and could offer STROME, HARMONIC, and Griff REINHART...or the Bolts could package CONNOLLY, GUDAS or SUSTR and their DeANGELO, their first rounder last summer...those are some pots the Rangers would have a hard time keeping up with given the state of their system...and that's A LOT to give up for more scoring, which is something the Rangers really haven't had a tough time doing ever since NASH pulled his head out of his ass...No, I think with the Oil, the two pieces you're going to see moved are YAKUPOV and EBERLE...PETRY, PURCELL and PERRON...I could see them moving SCHULTZ, but again, not unless it was for something much better in return...Edmonton hitting reset won't shake lose their most valuable commodities, IMO, so all this talk about HALL and RNH is pretty futile.

tdchi


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:40 pm EST

another angle on the JT Miller subject is that he is reinforcing his value to the organization. In a pinch, they know they can slot him into the pivot.. As for our next position move / trade, contract negotiations just may take the drivers seat & force managements hands.. Short term, "we need 2 points tonight." Later, gotta work.....

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:34 pm EST

Yeah we were saying that MF. Hayes /Stamp spots are maybe only spots left to upgrade, but these guys are also playing well,mthe grass ain't always greener. And thats IF JT & Fast keep doing what they're doing, which I'm starting to believe they will. I should also point out it is once again very UNFAIR to JT Miller to shift him to center because Brassard got mumps, just when he was finally getting some tracking at LW. Really, recall Lindberg or even what's his face wasn't bad at all, Mueller. And no MF, but we slash prices for the chosen people lol.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:25 pm EST

mf: Stempniak is a useful vet to have around, but certainly not irreplaceable. And I like the way Fast is emerging.

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:23 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-mcdavid-hopefuls-could-thin-out-roster-in-hopes-of-landing-star/

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:22 pm EST

add Hagelin to the Stempniak / Fast comparison, yes all different in their own way, but I see the emergence of redundancy there..

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:19 pm EST

Just what I need, another psychologist in my life. Do you accept CIGNA? ;-)

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:16 pm EST

RR: I like Stempniak, however with the emergence of Jesper Fast, I see some redundancy. You?

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:03 pm EST

MF, what'd Stemper do? I think youre carrying around a lot of bitterness in your heart.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:00 pm EST

Dan Boyle has an NMC

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:56 pm EST

D: Schultz is intriguing but he's not going in a package for 38 year old Boyle, IMO. To me, it's more of the same - Staal + for Schultz. Would the Oil be interested in Staal, Miller and McI for Taylor Hall?

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:55 pm EST

That should have been TD and RR:......

Vic


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:54 pm EST

TD and RD: I could reverse that assessment as well. Wouldn't Edmonton be really happy to get a guy like STEPAN/BRASSARD to play with HALL. Wouldn't they been happy to get a #1 D like STAAL that could stabilize their back end. We both agree that the Rangers are loaded on the wing looking forward. That is why I would target RNH. As for STAAL, he is a #1 on probably 50% of the teams in this league. His freak injuries have slowed him from being a star player but he is still extremely good even though Ranger fans don't appreciate him they way they probably should. Personally I don't want to trade STAAL but the Rangers are between a rock and hard place now. They can't afford to resign him and losing him for nothing is not an option. Is there anyone in the league that would rather have MYERS over STAAL? Maybe if you are talking about 5 years from now but certainly not now for a team that needs to win in the near future. Edmonton is also stuck between a rock and hard place. They don't want to trade those young assets but they have to do something because that core isn't coming together. They are trying to get a new arena deal with public funds and that isn't going to happen the way things are going. That team needs to start winning games in the very near future. They are being forced to deal at least one of those young blue chip players to bring back established NHL players. HODGESON doesn't have the pedigree of a STEPAN or BRASSARD. Going to the Cup Finals with STEPAN and BRASSARD as your #1A and #1B gave those two guys a lot of credibility. Coupled with STAAl they could step into a young Edmonton lineup and help move that team in the right direction. For the Rangers RNH would step in as the 2nd line Center and would be surrounded by much more experienced and mature players. He would have a coach in AV that he could thrive under. The way things are going in Edmonton I don't think he will ever become the player he could/should be like he would in NY or another environment.

Vic


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:53 pm EST

Bob: Exactly. Guys like Taylor Hall don't become available very often, at least not at the age of 23. I'm a realist and don't expect him anytime soon in NY but that doesn't mean Sather shouldn't be doing his due diligence and attempting to work something out. I think it's beyond evident anyone is available on that roster, if the price is right. The Rangers do have assets - are they the right assets, however, and equally importantly, what holes are created if those assets are moved in a deal for Hall.

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:44 pm EST

and MALONE has that gpg avg over a much longer performance... I'm yielding to Mess11 for the Chris Stewart report... Wild, don't get me wrong, if Stewart, a RHS can be had for pittens, I want him in a Ranger uniform... With Stewart, I'd have him on an Atkins style diet & in the pool training with Malone, as a matter of fact, I'm big on getting the entire squad in the pool as part of the training.... You know what, I want Stewart & Malone on my squad for the playoffs, especially if it's at the expense of Stempniak & Glass....

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:41 pm EST

and there's my reason; "Malone has a better ppg in the playoffs .51 vs. .32. " Now, if forced top choose between two rec projects, Im going with the guy I know has been clutch. Age be damned in a short post-season. doesn't mean Im right!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:31 pm EST

Rabid: Its 5 points now LOL....anyway...Stewart and Malone have the EXACT SAME points per game career. 0.57 during the regular season. Malone has a better ppg in the playoffs .51 vs. .32. Malone is an inch taller, but 6-8 pounds lighter. But in any case...they are very similar players...accept for one simple thing. Malone is 35, Stewart is 27.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:17 pm EST

I admit that I am a big Taylor Hall fan. I look around and see Crosby, Ovechkin, Tavares, Johansen, Stamkos and I want a franchise stud like that for the Rangers. While I find it hard to believe that Edmonton would ever trade them, if they will I would like to see the Rangers in the mix.

Bob


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:15 pm EST

Actually Stewart has 4pts (in 30-odd games), Malone has none. So it's 4 times more ha. Id go with Malone myself, but any big mean body will do if it can score a little and not turn the puck over.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:08 pm EST

mf: Stewart...Maolone is done....he isn't worth 100K...well OK 100k, but you can't pay him that little. He can't even score at the AHL level....Stewart has a history of scoring at the NHL level and is still young. This is is first bad year where he isn't scoring at a decent pace. Also, I said Stewart, preferably as a UFA for what Glass/Stemp make right now. I know he is overpaid at the moment...but he still brings 100 times more than Malone.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:03 pm EST

I don't think HALL is on the block in that the Oilers are TRYING to trade him...ditto with RNH...a team would be foolish to divest themselves of two franchise pieces...would have been like the Isles trading TAVARES...now sure, McTavish is saying no one is safe...he wants to send a message that the culture of the team needs to change...of course, he's part of that culture...but that's beyond the point...nevertheless, I couldn't see the Oilers trading either or unless they're given a deal too good to be true...and that means something like the deal Bob suggested...which opens up a hole in the Rangers' lineup and really only adds scoring...but Hall is a franchise player...like I said: Getting him would put the Rangers in the same league...maybe better...than teams with those powerful one-two punches...the Caps, the Pens, the Ducks...Hall would be incredible with a good center and a team with a solid goalie...that said, I just don't see it happening without the Rangers taking a step back this year...but it is a very good point that the team has quietly amassed a nice stable of NHL-bound wings...HAGGERTY, KRISTO, TAMBELLINI, BUCHNEVICH, and DUCLAIR...plus if the popular notion that MILLER belongs at wing holds true and FAST remains on his current tragectory, the Rangers really have a log-jam there...Duke will be in the NHL next season, if not later this year...Buch could be coming over next fall...Tambellini probably has a year in Hartford...even if only two of these names have staying power in New York, that's two more wing positions than are presently available if you consider Nash, MSL, Zucc, Kreider, Hagelin as locks and figure at least one of Miller, Duclair and Fast will grab a spot in the top nine...Bringing Hall in makes that log jam even more pronounced...I think if the Rangers want to pull something from the burning wreckage that is Edmonton, they should really talk to the Oil about SCHULTZ...I would love a deal that would send BOYLE and maybe a prospect or two packing for the younger, faster, Schultz at the right point.

tdchi


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:00 pm EST

Wild: Chris Stewart $4,125,000 - Ryan Malone $700,000 "Pick-One!"

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 12:51 pm EST

The Oilers have $16.4 millin in Cap Space as of now, and only $31.6 mill committed thus far for next season... They need a center, they can get on the phone like anyone else and inquire about Vermette ($3.75mill) and kick the tires with him the rest of this season... Buffalo's Cody Hodgson is similar to Stepan & Brassard said the Guru's of This Wall 3-4 weeks ago... Perhaps he has played in the lower levels with some of the Oilers and just needs a change of scenery.... Just to throw this out there: RNH & Yakopov for Myers & Hodgson and balance it out with picks or a "peripheral player.... Sounds like a starting place for a trade.... What we need is, "YANKLE!" A blessing on his head Mazal Tov Mazal Tov! :-)

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 12:48 pm EST

If I were Edmonton I'd first have to decide if Marc Staal was the guy Id want to build around; is he healthy enough long-term & is he good enough? Id come back 'maybe' but questionable on both. Then Id have to decide to trade my best player for him, my most recognizable player. And an offensive player, so now I have to fill 50-80 pts in my lineup after I do the deal. And really, I can trade Taylor Hall almost anywhere. If Im the Rangers I have to rip my No. 3 from my D corps as Im hoping to return to the SCFs. You decide to renovate the staircase in the middle of your house the day before Christmas & your company arrives? For Hall, who Id have to clear a space for. Who we might not even need (though itd be nice). That's a theory that doesn't get off the ground with me; Id be looking to enhance, not re-model, but whatthehelldoIknow? Carry on!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 12:42 pm EST

Good Morning: a few thoughts....IF there was a way to acquire HAL, and I'm not in that mindset, am I the only one that thinks Nash is a LW ? Look at the replays (if we could find them easily) all but 3 goals are from the ""left side of the right post."" Nash's percentages are way higher from the slot & left side of the ice.... I just don't get moving him to RW..... MSL has got to be the most perfect mentor in this league for ZUCC.. EEEE: Good to read yah! .... BUFFALO has Tyler Meyers, EDMONTON has Nail Yakopov, sounds like the beginning of a deal to me..... INVESTING in an asset which we already have.. RYAN MALONE costs 700K this year... I am glad that to hear that he's getting 1st & or 2nd line minutes with the Pack.... The NYR Org. should have him working with skating coaches & swimming coaches with the intention of getting this dude ready for the 2nd half of the season & or playoffs... Our risk is nil. Coast small $$$ for these coaches.. I can't emphasize enough that "this untrained eye" sees a monster of a guy we desperately need in this lineup.. Size, experience, a ring, goes to the net, and will stand tall in the faces of a Lucic, etc...

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:53 am EST

RF4L: I totally agree and that was a big part of my post. Edmonton and STAAL would need to agree to a new contract as part of the deal. STAAL would be a huge addition for the Oilers. So would a STEPAN or BRASSARD. If the Oilers offered STAAL $6.5 Mil or $7 Mil for 5 or 6 years would that be enough to entice him? I would have to think that it would be when you consider the role he would be assuming. He isn't going to get nearly that amount from Carolina or the Rangers. You could argue that the Oilers would wait until he becomes a UFA on July 1. They could, but they could risk losing out on him if they do that. He might agree to take less and stay in NY or the pressure from his brothers to come to Carolina might sway him if they wait until July 1. It would also give STAAL half the year to acclimate to the team and assume the primary leadership role for next year. As I said, Edmonton could do a lot worse. It is a deal that makes sense for both sides but will both sides be willing to give to get?

Vic


Tue Dec 16 2014 11:29 am EST

Vic: Edmonton would be crazy to trade RNH or Hall for a package that includes an unsigned Staal and I don't think that has a remote chance of happening. In other words, an agreement on a new deal has to be part of it, which, of course, isn't unrealistic nor unprecedented. The question is this: Would Staal even consider signing there? If so, Sather should be working that angle because for sure, Staal is the kind of player the Oilers desperately need.

RF4L


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:58 am EST

and again, to be clear. Its not that I don't like Zucc, its just that he hasn't followed up on the year(plus that part year the season before) that got him 3.5 mil for this season. He might be looking for 4-5 mil per based on one year....one year mind you. It could be the best year of his career. Probably not, but it just might be, we can't know. If he wants 5 mil per, and he hits FA, he could be lost for nothing. SO Sather needs to be sure SURE he is making progress and Zucc is willing to stay closer to 3.5-4 long term because if he isn't than he will end up being lost for nothing. And if it looks that way Sather needs to move him. And if he can get a top 6 guy with more size...great...it will help. But anything, just don't let him walk for nothing. Same goes for Staal. Don't let him walk, get his signed or get him traded/signed to a team of his liking and get something...anything of value and not let him walk.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:50 am EST

Ola: Sure there are other wingers you could look to other than Zucc to upgrade with size. But how many are UFA's who currently make 3.5 mil? I mean, Hags is sub 6 foot, sub 200 pounds, but really, do you remove his speed to get size? And he will cost far less than Zucc. Step is about the same size as Hags, I would move him out for a big body, not that he is bad, but still, if rather could get a younger bigger guy to play 3rd line RW, go for it. Thats why I like Stewart (more as a UFA and for less than he makes now) for a 3rd line/PP role. I mean get him for 2.35 mil per for 3 years. That is what Stemp and Glass make combined. Stewart throws them now and again, and can do it as well as Glass, wont take on the heavies, but if you get McIlrath in the lineup that problem is solved if its needed. So with that you can put a guy with more skill on the 4th line LW spot instead of Glass, and have 4 solid lines that can score. In any case, the Rangers only have 4 forwards under 6 foot. Than there are 3 who are 6 foot and under 200 (Step, Moore, Fast) so its not like they are tiny....I mean sure more size would be good, but they need a top 9 big forward who plays with more aggression, preferably a top 6 guy who does that.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:32 am EST

Size doesn't matter in the micro. Do you win the puck battles? Do you put the puck in the net. Can you get up and down the ice and disrupt the play. Do you take away time and space? Thats all. In the macro team size matters on the ice. Its about if you can wear a team down. A heavy team that can play you hard matters in a 7-game series. Physicality is an advantage. I personally couldn't care less about a fighter these days. Yeah, I want a guy that gets his gloves up in people's faces of course. Not a passive little Michelle Kwan or Tara Lapinski. But its all about balance. Case in point last season. You had a very big and top notch skating Pouliot playing with MZA. He created the space. It was a great match and with Brassard they were arguably the New York Rangers best line for long swaths of last season. This season? The New York Rangers are still looking to firm up that bottom-6 identity. I don't care so much about the wingers. Its primarily down the middle that matters. In the finals the New York Rangers were getting knocked off of the puck. It got to a point where Boyle was taking offensive zone draws with Stepan or Brassard on the wing in backup. I'll take Hagelin who while not too big is strong for his size. A guy who is all over the defenseman and wins the battles down low. There is a strange thing in hockey. You can't teach how to hit. over the past 5 or whatever seasons the New York Rangers hardest hitting player was Del Zotto. And he wasn't big but you sure as hell better keep your head on a swivel when he was on the ice. Because he was a superb skater. Too bad the rest of it was croc bait. And Zucc is an agitating little dick who gets under your skin and also wins puck battles. And St. Louis is a surefire HOF player. In the micro none of it matters, in the macro it matters. You can have small guys but you need to arm them with players up to the task of creating space. You always covet size, speed, skill. All teams do. But if I have to give up one, it'd be size.

E


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:15 am EST

There are other wingers on this team besides Zucc that you could look to upgrade in terms of size.

Ola


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:15 am EST

Wild- That is probably true. The thing is, from my point of view, three years from now Zucc might perfectly possible be one of a kind on this team (if we retain him). And if Slats got to work, I think he could lock him up to a real good contract truth to be told. There are 12m players in this league, 10m players, 8m players, 6m players, 4m players, 2m players and so forth. I think we could lock up Zucc on a 3.5 tier contarct, ie like 4.5-4.8m or something, long-term. On a hard working well coached team, in more of a go-to role, I think Zucc could accomplish a lot of things offensively and get pts on the board on a regular basis. And you know, just to point out where I am coming from -- please remember what state this team was in from like early 00' to what 12'. Besides a few goto snipers like JJ, Gabby and co, and Nylander that deserves to be mentioned, we had an AWFULLY hard time finding players that had elite play making ability and saw the game well up front. And it just stiffled the entire organization. Now we have MSL and Zucc, but MSL is 40+, Zucc is 27 and still coming into his own in this league being a very late bloomer. I just don't think people notice now how we would look with Brass and Stepan at center without MSL and Zucc, how extremely fast we could fall into that same boring to death fight on the outside pattern. Hence I just wouldn't risk loosing Zucc.

Ola


Tue Dec 16 2014 10:09 am EST

So we're trading Staal, Kreider, Zuc.....anybody else? Think I wouldve given Trader Phil a run for his money at one time (like the NYR 2000-07) but this team is built, its very near complete. I cant see it. MF, thats right on with having Yandle on board in case Staal bolts or is dealt. If you bring Yandle in you probably force Staal to lower his demands some too. Itd be very apparent who his replacement would be, though theyre different players obviously. doubt Iit comes to that but again Yandle might provide the biggest boost of anyone we could acquire, relatively speaking. Its plugging a 50-pt guy into a spot we get zero production from.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 9:49 am EST

Ola: i find it amusing, that you are one of the "lack of size" people on this wall, but any time anyone mentions not retaining Zucc you just rip them for it...you can't have size up front and Zucc at the same time. I love Zucc and his game, but he is part of the problem at times. He gets rag-dolled at times and you can't overcome being so much lighter than the other teams players. MSL is a rare player who doesn't seems to be as affected, and he is a better player than Zucc right now, and now is what matters. You are right, they need size up front, and Zucc might be just the guy to move in order to get some of that size. I don't mean dump him, but he might be that guy that Sather could use to improve the team.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 16 2014 8:55 am EST

I know folks would love to have HALL and so would I. However, of all of the chips on that roster HALL would definitely be the most expensive to acquire. Given what the Rangers have in the NHL and in the system I don't know if he makes the most sense though. Frankly, I think the better target is RNH. To get him the Rangers are going to have to part with either STEPAN or BRASSARD plus. It would hurt the Rangers this year without a doubt. However, RNH is an elite talent as well. He is signed long term on a reasonable deal. The question is how much more would it take to get him. The Oilers need help on D and need experience up the middle. They don't need talent on the wing. They also don't need rental players as they have no hope of making the playoffs this year. Lets suppose that the Oilers would be willing to resign STAAL and overpay for him so that he becomes their #1 and mentor for the rest of the kids. Would he agree to that? Would a deal of STEPAN and STAAL or BRASSARD and STAAL be enough to get RNH? The Oilers could do a lot worse. I don't see how the Rangers can afford resign STAAL. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't trade him but if he can't be resigned I'd rather package him to get someone like RNH in return. A move like that would also give the Rangers some cap room this year to make other adjustments and would make it possible to resign MZA.

Vic


Tue Dec 16 2014 8:36 am EST

“There is definitely a change of mind-set at center,” said Miller, who had scored three goals in his first five games since his promotion. “Playing wing it’s more instinct for me, where moving to the middle obviously requires some more thinking. “There are different responsibilities at center, but I don’t want to make it seem like it’s a burden. I’m playing with great players. The way I look at it is that it’s a great opportunity for me.”

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 7:52 am EST

mf- Good pts, and I think say what 5-7 months from now, I think ppl will start to mention "lack of size" more and more. We lack size up front, and LAK won the battles against us infront of their net and infront of our net and hence we lost the finals. Playing Boston would raise the same questionmarks probably. We could especially just carry more lbs up front, we are light going to the net as is.

Ola


Tue Dec 16 2014 6:59 am EST

so with all the #1 picks the oil have had, look where they are....same for the fishstinks. If they didn't trade for those 2 d men and a goalie, they be the fishoils......now sather should trade his nhl guys to help the oils?.they now look like the 80 mil roster that sather went behind the bench to prove he's the boss.( hence fire sather ).....they want some guys from Hartford for u-hall, different story.....veenyo should bring limburger up , and make him the 4th line center....put d moore in brass' spot until he gets back.....will this team ever have a stretch of being completely healthy?.....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:36 am EST

RF4L - Don't be so certain. Gotta say this about the BOURQUES: They're pretty darn versatile...actually, if there was a kid I'd promote to fourth line center, it'd be Ryan BOURQUE....I could see him fitting in really well on fourth line...just an all energy player with speed and a nose for the net...and remember big bro Chris was, for a spell, working the powerplay point for the Bruins a couple years ago. Agreed, it's not likely...but not impossible.

tdchi


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:32 am EST

On LINDBERG - I really don't see the Rangers promoting him any time in the next couple weeks...after coming out of the gate like a shot, he really faded...we talk about opportunity...he was given one on a silver platter with MILLER getting called up...really wasn't until Friday that he capitalized on his chances...and then put in a REAL solid performance against the Sound-Islanders. But if there's one thing I see AV doing with his young players, it is looking for them to demonstrate consistency before getting them in the lineup...Did it with FAST...did it with MILLER...I think if Lindberg can build on this past week with dominant performances next week...and if BRASSARD is out long-term...we could see him...but really, he's coming off a real dry spell down there...and until he's consistently putting up numbers, I can't see them moving him up...Kid has talent, no doubt. But asking him to jump onto third line is too much...if you want to bump MOORE up to third, and Hayes as a top two...then maybe...but frankly, I don't see that as viable either.

tdchi


Tue Dec 16 2014 3:23 am EST

Bob - Interesting thought, but if the Rangers lose STEPAN, that's opening holes in the lineup in an area where we're already a bit weak...we saw what the Rangers were like without Step in the middle...and unless they're ready to have MILLER and HAYES as their two/three centers...something I don't think anyone wants here...Though I don't think LINDBERG is far away and with Step only a few months away from asking for a $6 million-plus contract, that deal could be a good way for the Rangers set the team up for the future...I see mention here of a deal revolving around STAAL and maybe ZUCCARELLO, plus a prospect...I find that a little more realistic for the Rangers, in part because SKJEI is likely to turn pro next season and in everything I've heard and read, the Rangers are REALLY high on the guy...enough that he could be vying for a lineup position next fall...ultimately, I think the Rangers come out on top of any deal for Hall that's not giving the Oilers the farm...Here's the thing with HALL: He's a world-class talent...He's a NASH-type player...and the kid is only 23...if he stays healthy, he could very well be a 100-point player...he's a team leader and above all, he's probably the hardest forward in the Oilers' lineup...Hall on a good team with a decent center? Man...and if you could somehow dress a line featuring Nash on the right and Hall on the left...whether it's BRASSARD or Step in the middle, that's one of the best lines in the NHL...I still wouldn't want to move either MILLER or KREIDER...but if Hall is in play, I'd definitely see what it'd take to get it done...The best part about the kid is his contract: $6 million for the next five years, If he plays with a real NHL franchise, that contract is going to look like a steal.

tdchi


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:51 am EST

A business associate once said to me, "build the engine, then fine tune it." I believe we have a damn good engine, how to we want to tune it? Turbo charge it? 2,3,4, days ago, thought we should target a center, today however, I'm asking, WTF is with John Moore??? Thought Power Forwards & Defensemen can take longer to develop, but that can be said about any athlete.. The "elite" come out of the gate from an early age most of the time in every sport... So, to me YANDLE is very intriguing from these perspectives: 1) if for some reason we can't resign Staal, we've got a top 4 "LHS" D'man.. 2) his offensive production (as you mentioned earlier) 3: I think we'd have the best all around defense in the league (although D Boyle concerns me and our RHS back up is who? Exactly, A lefty.. 4) We may be able to land YANKLE (ha ha ha ha, I made him a Yid! (RF, I can say that & you can't! :-) It's official, we must have Yankle!) by unloading a package of John Moore "OR" Hunwick if we don't want to give up on Moore just yet, see if we can sent them T.Glass or get a 3rd rounder for him to send to Arizona, if they want Kristo, they can have him, the Borkes (ha ha spelling) Borke em... Obviously we'd have some untouchables, but with a current $800k in space, Glass gone +$1,450,000, JMoore or Hunwick = +600k - +$850K, totals $3mill.. If we give them enough from the farm, they have to eat $2mill-$2.5mill this year....

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:35 am EST

Oh MF, I was thinking that last summer, Moore to wing if/when Lindberg makes it. Maybe, eventually.Id love to see him get a shot but they didn't make any move today, knowing Brass' condition.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 2:28 am EST

RR: in my overtired opinion, it's Limburger Cheese time... Let's get that kid up here, sit Glass, and if Oscar has to play wing on the 4th so be it... Let's have another look at this kid.. We could even shift Dom Moore to wing and evaluate Oscar as 4th line center for a few shifts.... C'mon AV, think outside the box a bit.........

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:55 am EST

Sather was looking for a forward a few weeks ago per some exec somewhere. But that was before Fast locked in & JT came in and played well. So wheres the need now,vbeside Brass mumps, unless yoy want to give up on someone? Its not so clear anymore.The one guy I think theyre watching closely is Hayes. If he improves even a little wouldnt surprise me if this is the team after the deadline (id get insurance at minimum)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:13 am EST

Glass has not played bad, but I'd rather have any of Miller, Fast, Stemp, Malone in his place.. He's getting sized of this roster, would be a regular on plenty of teams, including ours if the injury bug strikes again.. I'd include him in a package .......

mf


Tue Dec 16 2014 1:04 am EST

Oh & think it was LA who signed thst biznasty bissonette to an ahl deal. So if we get a rematch Kings got one less guy who can play. People get on Glass but the Cup champs signed this stiff.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 16 2014 12:53 am EST

Glas hasnt played poorly, and said the other day how he hasnt been his best yet. Back things & mumps, of all things. We need some nasty in there some of the time. Glass hasnt been bad, Malone wasnt what id call bad. Dtemp if hes odd man after they make a deal, definitely hasnt been bad. You see where im going with this. These are good problems.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:46 pm EST

Glass was signed to replace some of the grit & depth lost in Boyle, Dorsett, Carcillo.. Turns out we had replacements within knockin on the doors.. Glass is one of the slowest of the bunch, lowest offensive contributor, and costs approx .5 mill more...... At least Ryan Malone is getting top line minutes with the Wolfpack (thanks for the update TD), and staying in game shape, I hope & don't think its that far fetched to see him called up again.....

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:32 pm EST

Oh and Zuc & Kreider for Hall? Sure. Lets deal, idk, 100-125 pts for Hall so he can wipeout again excrpt this time catch a blade in his throat & be finished. Thatd be worth breaking up some of the bestvyoung forwards in the game for. Why no dismantle the forwards corps of the SCF-ists. Theyre having slow starts, so fuck'm. I like our team. Ironically Iirs Fast & Miller that make us real deep. We signed Glass for relatively big $, hes odd man out right now. We signed Malobe, hes even farther from a whiff. Not sure who else gets replaced. Stemp? Hes been on balance real good. We need a center if anything.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:11 pm EST

RF, Hall is a 50+ pt player every other year. Definitely he can hit 80 again, but no guarantee, and no way worth giving up Kreiders size (which we need bad)and scoring, which we dont even know what its going to be. 17 goals in 60-something games, thats a 25 goal pace right there. Hall appears more on pace for 55 than 80 this year.Did Hall even play last night? You cant disrupt your team without enough upside coming back. Halls got too much Callahan in him imo to count on, THIS year. And I like him a lot. He plays reckless & has big talent.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:06 pm EST

Traitor's Trader! ;-)

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:41 pm EST

Ironically he has the exact same amount of points as Seguin in his career in about 40 some less games. Hall has always been on a ruderless oiler team with no direction. I believe he would flourish here. I love Kreids and Zucc for that matter but I would trade either in a heartbeat for Hall. Particularly if we've got some young future wing depth in Duc and Buch.

stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:37 pm EST

RF fine if youvreally want him. Just know one of Hagelin Miller Kreider or Nash has to go so Hall has someplace to play.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:36 pm EST

Zuc and Kreider for Hall? Hell yeah!

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:33 pm EST

RR: You, my friend, are just plain wrong on this one. Hall is a premier talent. You don't gut the team when you're seeking a cup, but if you're gonna cry over losing Kreider to land Hall, well that's silly, with all due respect, depending of course, what else goes that way (i.e. you don't move Kreider and McD to get him).

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:31 pm EST

And Taylor Hall, on a shitty team, last year put up in 75 games 27 goals and 80 points. That's 21 more points than the Rangers leading scorer last year. Hall is a top end talent who just turned 23, the kind of asset the Rangers haven't had since Brian Leetch (comparing age and skillset). You don't trade the farm for him, but if he can be pried away without impacting the key pieces (Stepan being one of the key pieces IMO), you work it. Disinterest on Sather's part would be wrong.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:29 pm EST

Step youre off my Xmas card list Check Halls #'s, salary & injury historu begore uou get gaga. I like him a lot but I wouldnt deal any core guy, Step, Zuc or Adonis, no way in the world. Sather wont either.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:23 pm EST

step: Why would say, Perron and Mark Fayne get your McDonagh??

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:16 pm EST

Why wouldn't let's say a J.Moore and Kreider get it close for Hall ? Who cares if he's a god damn winger ? There's nobody on this roster except Nash who's gonna come close to Halls numbers when all is said and done. The so called depth of our wing position isn't exactly setting any scoring records anytime soon. You gotta give to get and this team needs a true sniper ! I guess in the end it all comes down to the cap so I'm just dreamin.

stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:10 pm EST

BTW, IMO Eakins is but a small part of the problem there - Kevin Lowe and MacT have both been in influential management positions there for like 8 years. Clearly, that organization is yet another case of an owner being totally snowed by the management team he's put in place (and/or he meddles and those dudes allow it to keep their jobs). It's a giant fustercluck there without a doubt.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:07 pm EST

TD: Thanks for the update. That's encouraging even if it's the Bourque brothers propelling the offense (because neither, IMO, are about to get promoted). I can only assume Slapski is hurt....

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:05 pm EST

First, not at all surprised that Hall might be available. There should be NO untouchables on that team, save for their first rounder, lest it become McDavid. Second, Hall is a winger so Bob your proposal doesn't work, IMO. Third, I suspect the Oil will want a defenseman more established than McI. The obvious choice is Staal, but unless he agrees to a new contract, which seems like a stretch, no way would the Oil take that risk when moving Hall. I'd love to see Sather land Hall but I honestly don't see how it would work out, unfortunately.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 9:55 pm EST

Can't belive the WALL is trading Kreider!

MelvilleFred


Mon Dec 15 2014 9:54 pm EST

Bob that was a joke trade right?!

MelvilleFred


Mon Dec 15 2014 8:59 pm EST

Stepan, Kreider and McIlrath for Taylor Hall? RF4L? RR? MF? TD?

Bob


Mon Dec 15 2014 8:35 pm EST

RF4L - Figured I'd direct this one at you, since you get down on the Pack a lot...Caught some of what is now a four-game win-streak over the weekend and they're playing MUCH better than they were when MILLER and FAST were promoted...Same never-quit approach to the game...only now it's getting them results...granted, they didn't have a tough schedule since Thursday...Albany, Worcester and Bridgeport, which are all teams in a funk right now...but they played good...some interesting notes to report...I keep mentioning Justin VAIVE...well, he had an absolutely fabulous weekend...3 goals, two helpers and 8 shots over three games...at 25 and with little statistical evidence that he'll ever be an offensive force, I'm still hesitant to say he's going anywhere outside of a career in the AHL...still playing very nicely for the Pack and could garner a call-up if the Rangers need fourth line help...Oscar LINDBERG is playing second-line center, but has had a real rough patch, which I think everyone is hoping came to an end with his goal on Saturday...an absolutely beautiful snipe...sneaked in to an area by the hash marks and just lasered one past Worscester goalie Troy GROSENICK, a former Union College netminder who is one of the better tenders in the A...He had a helper Sunday, but what was more impressive was his shot total...apparently scoring his first goal in something like 13 games got him shooting...he and Vaive both were shooting like madmen against the Sound Tigers...six shots a piece...And then there's the BOURQUES...they're also both making a strong case for call ups, ESPECIALLY Chris....Granted, he's never been able to match his AHL production in the NHL...but man, the guy is LETHAL down there...point-per-game player...and Ryan, who I've always liked a lot, has quietly strung together a few really nice performances...Wish I could say the defense has settled down, but they're still the source of ire for the Pack...still, McILRATH had a good, albeit quiet weekend. They've got him paired with Tommy HUGHES now, and they're playing quite nicely...Up front, a weird development is that Marek HRIVIK, who was relegated to fourth line earlier in the season, is now centering first line with Ryan MALONE and Chris Bourque. Lindberg is centering HAGGERTY and Vaive on second...Haggerty put up a few points this weekend...all helpers...nothing too significant to report about him, but he does appear to be pulling things back together after a pronounced slump in November....Ryan Malone watch: After a pretty lousy start, he's making some in-roads. As I mentioned, he's on first line now...still not scoring as I'd expect him to at the AHL level...but playing top-line minutes now...not sure what happened to Mack SKAPSKI, but Desjardins and the recently recalled Jeff MALCOM split the weekend. Malcom had a very good start against the Sharks on Saturday...made some saves that make him seem relevant again...Pack are in playoff position...firmly entrenched right now.

tdchi


Mon Dec 15 2014 7:17 pm EST

Dont do it RF. Do not lol. Love Hall but still think we'll need center if anything. If JT Miller is going to stay & play wing & produce, we're much deeper. Id still list priorities as dome toughness, a center, and maybe upgrade the Moore/Hunwick 5-hole. Even there we're good but if you could ever plug in Yandle its a major offensive boost. Youd probably get more pts from Yandle than Hall.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 6:20 pm EST

Dreger reporting Hall to be offered for trade by oil before the trade deadline. Man I would love to see him in a Ranger sweater. Not much of a cap savant but I gotta believe it would be next to impossible to roster him.

stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 15 2014 6:06 pm EST

Fantasy lineup till Brass returns; Nash-Hayes-Zucc, Miller-Step-MSL, Hags-Lindy-Fast ( gotta go all Swede ) , Kreids-Moore-Stemp.

stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 15 2014 5:36 pm EST

Where'd all u shitheads go?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 2:50 pm EST

Ha MF. Heard Mason a few weeks ago on radio. Short version, it was an opening act, something pink and Floyd someone or another. Their name was in use by another act On the bill. When Sid heard who was opening he said, Pink Floyd.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 2:45 pm EST

Edmonton might want to call Buffalo and ask about Tyler Myers, begin with Yakopov going the other way..

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 2:39 pm EST

From "well informed sources," I'm told Sather's conversation with JT Miller went like this: Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar. You're gonna go far, you're gonna fly high, You're never gonna die, you're gonna make it if you try; they're gonna love you.............. Well, I've always had a deep respect, and I mean that most sincerely.... The TEAM is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which one's Pink? ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVShT6nVTA

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 2:28 pm EST

Rabid: No...not to learn the team from scratch, but to see who steps up, who says " I want to be part of the solution" and to see who continues to have a bad attitude or played half assed. You learn a lot being the "boss" day to day. Sure Sather knows the players, and he talks with AV, but he isn't in the room and watching every min of practice. He would need to step into the coaches shoes to KNOW what players were best to keep or let go.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:32 pm EST

Well if MacTavish doesn't know that and needs to go behind the bench to find out he's even more pathetic than I thought. The GM should absolutely have his finger on the pulse of the team and be intimately familiar with each & every player. People don't know that about Sather but he's always around, always talking to his players. Id heard he was very involved with JT Miller, really tried to help bring him along. Maybe its working.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:16 pm EST

Rabid: Also the assistant now will be the head guy from their farm team. Some suggestions that he may be the head guy before the end of the year. I think McT MIGHT be getting into the trenches, so to speak, to see who steps up and who doesn't in every way in order to better know who to try and dump. Also, it might be a little bit of the GM being able to watch the coach work, so while he will be an "assistant" in name, he may run a lot of stuff, and sort of slowly take the reigns.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:11 pm EST

Slam story says McT behind the bench. Brilliant.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:09 pm EST

If Messier is hired Yakopov shouldn't even drop his clothes off at the laundry. And as they announced the firing but not a successor, I'd guess they want to make a show of it and it will be Mess. Total guess, haven't even read anything on it yet.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:05 pm EST

RR/RF4L: You know there is at least 1 GM thinking "We can take that kid and give him the opportunity he needs to properly develop and be a good player" and would be willing toggle up a 3/4 Dman to get him. No one seems to ever believe a top 10 pick can really not make it...and that his current team MUST be doing something wrong. That is who they should try to move...RIGHT NOW its a start. See what you can get, because those things can be added to other trades to help improve your team. need to start someplace...may as well be there and see if a GM is overconfident and overpays.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:04 pm EST

Just thinking for EDM, theyd have been better off passing on Puliot & signing Callahan. Thats the kind of guy they need way more. Dont think Cally ever made it to 7-1 though. Or July 5, whichever day it was..

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:57 pm EST

That kid, Nail, is a terrible hockey player. Colossal screw-up that yeah, they totally shouldve moved. Even for a Phanueff type, a good nasty vet for some stability.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:43 pm EST

RR: And that's on the GM. His reluctance to pull the trigger is, IMO, their single biggest issue. All those high picks - it doesn't work unless you augment them with other moves. Screw-up number 1 was the drafting of Yakapov. They should have moved that pick, given where they were (already a bunch of young players) and the question marks around him.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:31 pm EST

You've got to draft your core and I think that's where Edm has missed the boat. They've had a lot of high picks but you don't see the 'team' or ferocity in that lineup. Not that we have any lol. But they're just rudderless. Maybe Puliot wouldve helped some, but even that was a stick your neck out contract.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:27 pm EST

RF4L: Some of the rumors I have seen kind of show why there hasn't been a trade up there. I know the AA for whats his name was close before AA was injured....but other trade offers that have leaked have been crap...like lets say. Fast and a 3rd for Hall the offers. GMs seem to think that the Oilers will sell cheap just to make changes....I think they know they will not make the post season, and the worse they do the better pick on top of the fact that team overpay at the deadline most times, so if he waits out the other GMs he will get more for their trades...not that I think he has done a great job up there, but to me, I wouldn't make moved that are bad just to make moves.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:26 pm EST

Thats what these guys always do, RF, when the heat's on. Sharks in the water smelling blood, throw'em some meat!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:24 pm EST

Yeah. In Edmonton its just structural, systemic. Something stinks. It'd be very interesting to see what Mess could do behind the bench. Because as we know, haha his involvement won't end there!!! Lol....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:23 pm EST

Yes, agree that the words 'worry' and 'Ranger fan' are like 2 peas in a pod!

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:21 pm EST

I wonder if Eakins got fired because MacT had to do something and given his complete fear of getting fleeced in a trade, really had no other option than to can his coach. Oil fans are clamouring for Blysma to get hired, but cannot believe he'll make much of a difference. What a mess there.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:20 pm EST

OK RF, but to clarify; if they've lost 5 straight and are an historically shitty franchise and we're playing well, we worry anyway, correct? Lol. Its what I've always done anyway' worry all the time. I'd like to get that one, we need a (positive) 5-game streak.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:17 pm EST

Rabid: I think that the Oilers were already leaning, if not fully decided to fire him before the game last night. They may have thought "hey, if he can get on a streak here we will let him ride it for a while" but last night may have been the last straw. Also, its not just the players, I mean, they have skilled guys. If it was losing 6-5 I could see that excuse being valid, but they are not scoring either. Something is wrong. And it is MORE wrong than BEFORE this coaching staff, so it may be part of the issue

Wildcard


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:16 pm EST

Mess was supposedly definitely a candidate. He should do it. That franchise needs a big boost. Before they end up the Seattle Oilers, or whatever..

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:15 pm EST

MacT should be fired. Gutless GM who won't make a trade when it's clear a culture change within the roster is needed. EVER.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:14 pm EST

Right MF. We talked about it previously. While I think we definitely resign Staal, the lure for him could be without precedent. Like we said, I don't know one family has ever so populated an NHL team. Then again, is Carolina, really? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:13 pm EST

I never liked MacT as a Ranger.. Wonder if Messier is a candidate for the job?

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:13 pm EST

RR: They WERE hot, among the hottest in the league. Question is, are they coming back to earth? Methinks yes. If not (meaning they are as good as their record indicated, before the 5 game slide), the Rangers had better not approach them like they did the Oilers.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:11 pm EST

So, Eakins; canned for losing a one-goal game? Get the guy some players, maybe he'd have had a fighting chance. Can't stand that freak McT. Manslaughterist.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:10 pm EST

rabbit, I think you're on the flip side of the coin here, I never meant to insinuate Eric to NY. I'm saying that if he stays put, the opportunity exists to unite the four amigos.. They would probably have enough clout there to insist that Baby Staal be called up to the big club

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:06 pm EST

As we go get further into the season, wonder how much Marc Staals contract is going to he a conscious or subconscious detriment if any to his game. If we don't resign Staal, next yr they'll be the Four MuSTAALeers in Carolina. Anyone care to wager ?

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:05 pm EST

Edm fired Eakins 5 mins ago...

PatrickDiv


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:04 pm EST

No RF, 5 straight defeats definitely would not equal hot lol. Dunno what I heard last night then. Umm... They're 17-13-2. Maybe surprisingly good record.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:02 pm EST

Where's TD? I miss him, in a good way. Eric Staal, the prospect of him becoming a Ranger, scares me more than any other option. I might prefer they do nothing than something like that. And long term he's potentially a much worse choice than Joe Thornton, who'd be gone in a few years anyway. That's why I was liking the Vermette option. He'd come cheaper puts up almost as many points (but scores more goals than Thorton) and he's UFA. You dont have to bring him back for the next 5 years.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:00 pm EST

mf: Stands to reason that the Canes will pursue Marc if he hits the open market in July, especially if they hang on to all his brothers. The Canes are one of the early favourites for the McEichel draft positions...

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:58 am EST

RR: Calgary have lost 5 straight....not so hot.

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:53 am EST

Was reading the trade rumors yesterday, Eric Staals name comes up, he states that he's doesnt want to go anywhere.. I'm reading into this that Carolina has a six yr six mill offer out there for brother Marc, for the Rangers to match... Tbc

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:52 am EST

Calgary, whose been hot. Buffalo hasn't been sucking either. Toronto is on fire, like 5 straight and 9 of 11. So endeth the update on teams I don't care about.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:48 am EST

Now seems as good a time as any to find The Lindburg Baby for (who's up next, Carolina?) AV. Didn't have much time to try that configuration yesterday, but a one day litmus test with JT is enough for now, let's give it a different look with Mr.Cheese....

mf


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:37 am EST

Maloney made a good observation. He said against VC we outmanned them offendively, but last night they backchecked with numbers all night and never got caught short all night. Second of back to backs, think they just realized it was only way EDM could win so they clamped down. Remembering Kreider did set up Klein perfectly, shouldve been a goal but shot wide. And Carp saying Kreider threw a big hit before goal, which I didnt see, and pkayed very strong. Carp, not me. So I dont have to hear Im on the guys jock. Im not answering anymore propagandist charges.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:31 am EST

Read the article about expansion and I was wonder if anybody thought it might be good to put Hank and Girardi on that expansion list at that time. You would save a lot of money and Hank will be 34/35 and Girardi will be 33/34. Maybe its a post for another day but I was just thinking about others opinions. In a cap age about 15 million will be nice to have

KIS


Mon Dec 15 2014 11:28 am EST

Not well played but they one. This team is a mess when one of the top 2 centers is missing. York fully agree with your point of repetition of faceoffs. Imagine that. as a coach I hate when people say they got to do it more. Its only worth doing more if you correct the problem. Doing it wrong only keeps intilling the wrong way to do the skill. I also agree with bringing up lindberg for the center spot. Why shift all the lines around because one person is missing. Keep JT on the wing were he excells.

KIS


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:59 am EST

And Kreider was fine I thought. AV said he played real well vs. VC, thought he looked strong on the puck. He & Fast worked well and that line held possession several times down low. But with Moore Iin the middle we're not going to see many great setups. Not a fan of Moore's offensive instincts cause he has none. And yeah, just that fast JT looked like he was in uh-ho land. Shoulda been at wing thru camp and now. Bring Oscar up for JTs sake.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:54 am EST

Seems to me the NYR often try to combat the lack of success in the faceoff circle by having the wingers charge into the circle for the loose pucks while the center ties up his man. Kreider is a good north/south player with huge speed and a good shot-what he is not is a great one-on-one player or stickhandler/playmaker. he needs to go to the net and throw his body with reckless abandon. he's gonna get some boarding & charging penalties from time to time, but he needs to play that way

puckyou


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:29 am EST

Bringing up Lindberg would be wonderful. Maybe he finally gets his chance. Yeah RF, good morning to you too ;)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 10:15 am EST

Bring up Lindberg, sit Glass. Boyle is a detriment to us in our own end. He has been just about every game he has played. Out of the three players we lost over the summer Bolye is making me think not signing Stralman is a big mistake.

stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 15 2014 9:20 am EST

And also agree that Kreider continues to look lost. Wonder what he'd fetch in a trade...........

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 9:08 am EST

mf: Mrs RF4L was a very happy lady last night with the Leafs collecting 4 of a possible 4 points this weekend, against decent foes (the Wings and Kings). I have no idea if the Leafs are for real but will say this: They are getting balanced scoring across the lineup and that's always a good thing. They are the Leafs, however, meaning disaster is possibly just around the corner (any corner).

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 9:06 am EST

Watched periods 1 and 2 last night and wow, what a clunker. Nice, of course, to get the 2 points. I concur that Boyle is hardly overwhelming in his play but willing to give him some slack due to his age and missed games to date. Did MSL even dress?? Totally invisible. Not surprising the 2 old farts in the lineup aren't impressive on a back to back. Aa of this AM, the Rangers are sitting 8th in the east, lining up in the 2nd wildcard spot. However, they are only a point behind the Caps for 3rd in the metro division, with a game in hand. Progress!

RF4L


Mon Dec 15 2014 8:20 am EST

Miller at center is needed but the second brass is back move him back to wing. At the NHL level his game is best suits for wing. He has less to worry about and uses his body more at wing. He can also distribute better being sneaky with his passes......not sure what message av was sending to Kreider but the message needs to end he's not helping him at all....faceoffs messier survived on the old school faceoffs again something that can't be done any more. Guys are just either good or they aren't. The problem with saying someone needs to take more faceoffs is the only thing they are reenforcing is the movement that is failing. Why don't you see guys who suck at faceoffs not just increase their wins after a year or so? Because it's natural the guys that are good are good just like no matter how much glass practices he's not going to dangle like kovy did.......Boyle not sure when he's goin to get going first the injury then sick he's had a tough year. I figured we'd lose him at some point but he's missed a lot of hockey. A win is a win and if this te can't pull 2 points from edm then they're in trouble. I'm still not sure how this team plays out come spring they seem like they could be a serious force some nights and a total disaster others. Leadership seems to be somewhat missing this year with Richards and cally gone I don't care who wears the C it's just a letter but leadership is needed because there are far too many games where accountability seems lost this year.

York18


Mon Dec 15 2014 7:36 am EST

"Practice time for faceoffs is negligible. Teams generally bring their centers to the dots at the tail end of practice for maybe a dozen draws apiece under conditions that don’t resemble game situations. A number of years ago, then head coach John Tortorella invited Mark Messier to become an unofficial faceoff coach. After a few weeks of constant work with No. 11, the Rangers’ percentages declined dramatically and the experiment was aborted.".......http://nypost.com/2014/12/14/rangers-stepan-among-league-worst-in-one-stat-but-says-its-not-an-overriding-issue/

stevielegs


Mon Dec 15 2014 7:02 am EST

My take on Miller. It's only been 1 NHL game at center, but he had quite a few in Hartford at center, but he looked like a wing playing center. Like MSL early this year. He didn't play badly, but he didn't look as fluid in his positioning. He LOOKS like a wing. It's good he can play center, but I still think he is better at wing. But I am 100% sure that he should stay up with the Rangers...unless he falls apart here soon of course.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 15 2014 6:41 am EST

well this is jt jitters big chance to prove he can center for the nyr in the nhl.....so far he looks good, but seemed a little confused last night playing center.......hopefully they'll practice and he'll adjust while brassard is out. Hope he makes me eat crow pie by June......guess dinty Moore is not veenyo's favorite, just ulfie's .....atilla the Hun wick will probably be in his spot Tuesday.... good luck helps in making it in the nhl.....and the nyr were lucky last night.... .......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 15 2014 1:46 am EST

Actually wasnt only goal, we got the en. Id forgotten. We never get empty net goal anymore it seems.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:29 am EST

Nash, heartless bastard, assists on only goal, career high 10 game pt streak. 7 games from rangers record (leetch).

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:07 am EST

If you aren't going to play Moore may as well dress Hunwick....Liked him better anyway....

PJ


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:06 am EST

Oh well a strange game but two points and a shutout on the second game in two nights.

PJ


Mon Dec 15 2014 12:00 am EST

Not the prettiest or most exciting game to watch, kinda reminded me of a Tortorella hockey game..... This shutout drops our GAA to 2.60 from 2.70....

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:56 pm EST

Good point Ratelle, and they got it. One of those nights I was uneasy. Very.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:54 pm EST

Is that their first empty netter this year?

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:46 pm EST

Decline the pp don't want the ahkneel look....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:39 pm EST

J.Moore with only 11min TOI

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:07 pm EST

They might regret not finishing on some of these chances they've gotten while they had EDM on their heels in their own end. Hope not. 20 minutes of solid hockey and we take half the road trip at least.

jratelle19


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:50 pm EST

Moof watch msg not nhl .. The nose knows....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:49 pm EST

Was just thinking Boyle probably has more to give; but until he ginds a groove, oh boy sometimes.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:48 pm EST

That hand must still be giving him problems.

jratelle19


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:48 pm EST

Boyle is not doing much at either end of the ice

rngrsans


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:47 pm EST

Wtf is with Boyle and his inability to accept a pass consistently?

jratelle19


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:08 pm EST

Slugs: :-) the NHL line-up preview listed the lines that way. see below..

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:07 pm EST

good things happen when you put the puck on net ....

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:02 pm EST

moof what game are you watching? glass is on the 4th line.....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:00 pm EST

Boyle is a damn wreck in his own end. It is alarming how often he turns it over.

stepunmytoe


Sun Dec 14 2014 9:37 pm EST

AV sending Kid K a clear cut message, Tanner Glass lining up with Stepan & MSL... OTOH, big opportunity for "The Glassman" to show he belongs... Could career assist #38 be _________ ????

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 9:32 pm EST

RANGERS... Rick Nash - J.T. Miller - Mats Zuccarello... Tanner Glass - Derek Stepan - Martin St. Louis... Carl Hagelin - Kevin Hayes - Lee Stempniak... Chris Kreider - Dominic Moore - Jesper Fast... Ryan McDonagh - Dan Girardi... Marc Staal - Dan Boyle... John Moore - Kevin Klein... Cam Talbot... Henrik Lundqvist... Scratched: Matt Hunwick... Injured: Derick Brassard (mumps...

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 9:29 pm EST

AV wondered if Brass caught mumps from Crosby since they were matched Monday. Jeez! Could shutdown the league if they dont get it under control. Man....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 9:20 pm EST

Yeah MF, but is itvgonna be alright? Idk, something about it is scary. You see Sid's face its like wow. Enemy or not lol.... we're all brothers haha. NN youre the best!!!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:46 pm EST

Canada sends five back to junior teams, roster at 25 ...... http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=34852&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:41 pm EST

Well for any of the Wallsters eager or impatient to move JT Miller back to center, I'm guessing, "tonights the night," as Rod Stewart might say......

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:41 pm EST

Bring up Lindberg let's see what he's got. Forget Glass ! We already know what he brings.

stepunmytoe


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:38 pm EST

I posted how contagious this thing is just a while ago.. One might think that the league would implement an in house, "center for disease control & prevention" as part of the dept. of player safety.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghncnGkFAo

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:30 pm EST

Brass has the mumps not good hopefully no one else gets it this team is snake bitten with man games lost this year at least it's the oil tonight

York18


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:23 pm EST

Thats true York, you were nice to me for a while & we agreed on quite a lot. Lets go back to that. I knew the hypocrisy part would drive youse nuts. Lol. Im not above intentionally being an ahole if its entertaining. Youre very wrong on Nash. U enjoy too.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:18 pm EST

A graffiti wall pickup game ? " The Graffiti Classic " ! I'm in. We got any goalie wallsters ? Who's bringing the beer ?

stepunmytoe


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

Rabid didn't piss me off what bothered me is that you're a hypocrite I have come to your defense many times since your return amd though I don't always agree with you (brad Richards) I respected your passion. Just don't be a hypocrite and certaint don't back pedal you claimed JT is using steroids and it was classless. As for the being on the ice and getting a suspension for a year etc I'm not even sure what you're babbling about. Judging by your posts your age puts you about 5 minutes out of wearing your depends diapers so stop with the tough guy talk because it's just that talk and believe me no one is impressed. As for Nash has he to prove he has heart because he's a big waste come playoffs whenever the paychecks stop so does Nash so far hopefully it ends this year. I'm done enjoy the game.

York18


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:46 pm EST

Well, I did have a nice buzz going until I read your post York. I didn't say Miller & steroids, but I did bring it here to bug TD & you ;) And if you're seriously predicting THIS Rick Nash won't score in the playoffs you've flat lost it. This guy -if he's healthy - you only hope to contain. You want to Say even this healthy & flying won't score in the POs, indict the man's heart & soul, you'll be as wrong as you've been in the past (see Gaborik, Marion). And yes, please impart your technical knowledge to us. You probably fucking SUCK. I'd take a year suspension if I was on the rink with you now.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:32 pm EST

Rabid what's the matter your meds wear off before you could finish your post? If Nash scores his 17th tonight it does nothing but prove me right since I said more then once over the summer Nash would score 45-50 goals this year. You know what's te funniest part? Even if I hadn't said that I'd still be glad to be wrong because he's a ranger and I don't care who it is or where they played prior to being here once they put on a rangers jersey I want them to do well. I'm not like you who makes up bs accusations like steroids because a player you didn't like has taken the spot of your man crush. Funny thing is I want Kreider to wake up and be the 30 goal scorer I believe he can be because when he does and if miller has found his game then our future starts to look better and better with those two duclair Hayes etc. As for not posting I post on technical stuff now more than opinion because I don't have the same time I used to maybe you should take your Meds now since you seemed to lose tour happy place that you claimed you were in when you started your post.

York18


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:25 pm EST

What's with the mumps?!! Crosby looks fuuuucked up. Like he was shooting PEDs lol. With Miller hahaha.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:24 pm EST

These idiots better stop sharing Water/Gatorade Bottles: (JMO) MUMPS Causes By Mayo Clinic Staff The cause of mumps is the mumps virus, which spreads easily from person to person through infected saliva. If you're not immune, you can contract mumps by breathing in saliva droplets of an infected person who has just sneezed or coughed. You can also contract mumps from sharing utensils or cups with someone who has mumps.

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:22 pm EST

http://dev.rotoworld.com/headlines/nhl/230788/derick-brassard-latest-victim-to-the-mumps

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:17 pm EST

Brassard has mumps....sent back to NY

JFC31


Sun Dec 14 2014 7:17 pm EST

York , obviously you're looking to fight. I'm not, I'm in game mode & happy & staying that way. I don't even see you contribute anything here anymore. You only 'pop in to play gotcha with me, and yet you never get me cause you're oh so dumb. And you mean you'd prefer to have kept Gaborik & not dealt for Nash. Fine if that's your opinion. The team's opinion I found out later was way too fragile and concern heading into his walk year he'd be tougher to move. Anyway,wtf you want me to do about that? I'll only barely remind you our original spat was me telling you Gabnorik would be dealt & how very nasty you got insisting he wouldn't.you're still nasty for no reason, and still wrong like when you dismiss Nash's two serious concussions so you can bash him and position yourself as a know-it-all. When he scores his MOTHERFUCKING 17TH of the season in a few hours it should be right up your cunt, you fuckin little scumbag.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 6:48 pm EST

Plenty of crow pie for everyone with a side of ruffled feathers .... The trades sather made to keep talkerella quiet changed the roster a lot.... Gaborik and carter instead of Nash could be nyr with possibly no rings too....along with dubi . Aa. And 4 x traded erixon .... Can't rewrite , reverse, or revise history .... Same and More to come in the veenyo era ....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 6:26 pm EST

Bruins have $912K in Cap Space, I'm guessing 2 players would have to go the other way.....http://capgeek.com/bruins

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 6:24 pm EST

Nash did his kid k imitation taking out miller in first 1.08 of game , and their coach left him in after 2nd period down 5-0 ... Nice guy...

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 6:24 pm EST

Rabid my feathers aren't ruffled you're just a hypocrite and cry like a girl when anyone says anything about your mam crush Kreider. As for Nash what has he done other than disappear when this team needed him most? Meanwhile his counter part that was made expendable via said trade scored and won a cup. Sure could use a third line center like dubi or Ani

York18


Sun Dec 14 2014 6:07 pm EST

Whole lotta rumors starting to bubble up. Trade freeze is Friday the 19th I think. Sounds like Chris Stewart to Bruins is close.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 5:28 pm EST

For some reason Lee Stempniak is a monster for his career vs EDM, almost PPG. Seems like Nash cooled off just a bit, but hes actually tied for the longest point streak of his career, 9 straight games. Since his callup Miller leads team in goals, is 2nd in hits and T-4th in points and something else which I forgot.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 5:25 pm EST

moof I hope he has it of the gonads...

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 4:43 pm EST

Gary BungHolio Butman diagnosed with mumps on his @#$%^? Probably gave it to Crybaby............ Who Luv's ya Gary?

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 4:39 pm EST

suspend all the games the next one has the mumps...he can't talk but he can still cry.......poor baby , is Mario his nurse......?.....cry me a river......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 4:32 pm EST

@rangersreport @NHLPlayerSafety has scheduled a hearing for the mumps following an attack on Sidney Crosby for Monday at 1:00.

Bob


Sun Dec 14 2014 2:39 pm EST

Last nights 5-1 victory helped lower our GAA to 2.70 down from 2.77... Obviously nice to score 5 goals, however 2 goals would have done the trick, hence the emphasis on DEFENSE!!! (NHL team stats) http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?navid=nav-sts-teams#

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 2:24 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/penguins-make-it-official-sidney-crosby-sidelined-with-mumps/

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 2:14 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/who-is-the-nhls-scariest-fighter-and-bodychecker/

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 2:06 pm EST

JFC31: wonder if the rules for the penalty shot are 100% consistent with the rules of the shoot-out ?

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 12:45 pm EST

I thought that even if MSL had managed to lift that puck over Miller that it was borderline illegal....not fair for a forward to be able to basically stop then go parallel/back skate

JFC31


Sun Dec 14 2014 12:44 pm EST

& in defense of AV, we did catch a dose of the injury bug early on...

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 12:43 pm EST

gene_carr: maybe no coincidence that Miller is playing better on the Wing as opposed to the Center.. I would not move Miller back to center for a good while, want the kid to stay up here with the big boys.. Naturally, if we suffer an injury & need him at center, that's another story..... Slegs: As for AV & his lineup changes, I'm as impatient as anyone with him, but hopefully he's getting there, and it will continue to build through the entire playoff run...... Here's a few thing's I dont think he should tinker with: 1) JTMiller stays on the wing 2) J.Moore is our 3rd pair left defenseman, not Hunwick 3) Tanner Glass should not dress, aamof, I'd send him to Hartford so he gets his minutes.. 4) DuClaw with his peers simplifies the situation, unless we have a rash of injuries, leave him there....... What I would focus on is DEFENSE..Nothing wrong playing it safe and chipping it out along the boards.. We need not be a one trick pony and break out at full speed every breakout....& Continually work on the power-play... enough for now

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 12:19 pm EST

There were many times last night Kreider pulled up I thought properly because he would have penalized for a late hit had he laid into the guy. Sometimes the big hit is just not there. I thought he was fine, but Im done with the whole Kreider thing, Im not his agent. Im also well within my right to enjoy what Miller is doing. I got on him cause he was all-around sucking, like an idiot. Until it clicks sometimes with these young guys, it can be ugly. But if his is CLICKED, if he's locked into a higher level at which he's never played but can continue, fanfuckingtastic. it's another big talented body we need. That hit he threw against Detroit, I forget who it was, but that was the moment imo, that was his coming out party. If he keeps it up on a reasonable level. He'll have his struggles like everyone else, young & old. Speaking of sucking, that was a spasticated penalty shot attempt by MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:40 am EST

Gene; Agree on Krieds not getting dirty. There were many times last night where I thought he had great opportunities to lay a big check and passed. Really no excuse for it with his size speed and strength. Wish he would incorporate hard checking into his game, it would make him more effective. As for Miller it seems he has been taking the body when he gets the chance as opposed to the beginning of the season when he was a creampuff. Both of these guys need to play a power fwd. style by being hard on the check and net presence. Lord knows that's what this teams desperately needs. Btw. Take a seat Glass.

stepunmytoe


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:26 am EST

Rangers Win 5-1, Hot Fucken TUNA! Zuc skating with his after burners on! Nice first goals by 2 critical pieces to the Rangers puzzle!

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:14 am EST

Erixon's 4th franchise. And to think this guy held out. Nash deal looking better by the day. Oh how the internet GMing asset-managing aholes cried when we gave up 4 chips for Nash. (5 imo cause I remain convinced JAM was part of it; another guy who hasnt broken through).

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:08 am EST

It is truly amazing that there is talk of dumping Miller. He has made the "second" line better He consistently drives to the net . Zucc does, Kreider does not. KK drives to the corners and looks to set up the D or line-mates .Miller is scoring now because he is looking to score and going to the area where that happens more often. If KK does the same with his tools, it would make for an awesome offense .I would be very wary of trading any of our starters.

gene_carr


Sun Dec 14 2014 11:07 am EST

Blackhawks trade F Morin to Blue Jackets for D Erixon

PatrickDiv


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:30 am EST

York lost post twice and pissed, not redoing it again. Someone did do it with Kreider but much worse and I did flip. So for those who only look to object to something I post, ahem, I gave it to ya. And there are whole threads on it elsewhere, I certainly didn't start it. So if you were lookin to have your feathers ruffled, they're ruffled! I'm happy for JT. Its exhilarating watching a guy bust out. He even should've had another great assist last night but don't think Step was expecting it and he let up on the play. And Kreider played well. I thought I saw Fast coming to life even more with him on the line. But the only thing about that win that impressed me was how bad VC sucks. We scored on half our shots in first period. That doesn't happen often.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 10:28 am EST

Yandle fans - Eklund (yeah I realize he's a dubious source) says that Yandle is available and will cost a top 6 forward, a top prospect and a 2nd round pick. I find the latter rather odd and wonder if it's true it's because the Rangers are in on the talks....

RF4L


Sun Dec 14 2014 9:55 am EST

moof what's really needed is for the coaches to back off, and stop screwing up the players instincts, and chemistry.....veenyo tinkers too much, and he needs to stop screaming marching orders constantly from the bench....luckily there was no ah-kneel pp to screw them up some more.....the rule change maybe should be an automatic penalty shot on any 2 minute penalty, and get back to the game......why has no reporter asked genius 2 , why he won't put Klein on the 2nd pp unit?.....can't wait to hear than convoluted logical reasoning on that bad decision......from veenyo.....maybe he put money on the table for the players to crush his old team last night.....he's acting like the former coach is many situations.....less might reap more.....a case of the mumps for him might prove or disprove it....which team shows up tonight?.....coaches have way more influence and outcomes of games, then many fans and themselves want to believe. ....blame the players for loses, take credit for wins.....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 14 2014 8:32 am EST

Rabid you're now accusing JT of steroids? Man if someone did that about Kreider you would flip. What happened to we don't bad mouth our own guys? Your own words and here you are claiming he's using peds you should honestly just stop and as of right now you cried like a girl when Kreider was said tO have a phantom injury and how no one ahould say bad things about our own players blah blah blah the saddest part is I'm defending your man crush for Kreider you're bad mouthing another rangers player who may finally be coming into his own and ped use is rampant in all sports and you could easily accuse Kreider if you're accusing jt

York18


Sun Dec 14 2014 1:14 am EST

We're doin fine tonight, Mess, cause we walloped a dead team. But theyve got weaknesses, or could be better, easy. Edm tmrw beat us this year. We gave another clunker, this place is a looney bin and no ones safe. You dont like that trade, ok. But theyre going to need something. Miller & Fast are big helps when theyre on. Will they sray on? Idk but Jt is free! Hes playing loose but aggressive & mostly smart. Was watching Hayes a lot, no great shakes ( and no big deal). Im not sure if he got on scoresheet.but would I prefer a 6-time 20-goal man and a great PMD? You betcha., .

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 14 2014 1:05 am EST

After tonight's victory, my biggest gripe is with our coaches and not our players.. We've got the goods, the coaching staff must find ways to keep getting more & more out of them..

mf


Sun Dec 14 2014 12:59 am EST

Were doing fine without Vermette and Yandle. Don't need to trade our two most recent graduates, best prospects for a mortgage that doesn't improve us in the ways we need. Vermette is not a first line center. Yandle is a great offensive D, but Boyle, McDonagh, Moore should provide enough and you don't fit Vermette and Yandle's contracts in by moving Miller's and Kreider's. Kreider and Miller could be Rangers for the next decade. Yandle can walk after next season, Vermette after this season.

Messier11


Sun Dec 14 2014 12:35 am EST

Excellent victory, 1 GA.. Way to start a road trip....

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 11:38 pm EST

Awesome play to set up our 5th, Second of the night for Zucc... Highlight reel play....

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 11:19 pm EST

STAAL with his 1st of the yr..... Offer him $6.5mill for 6 years....

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:47 pm EST

Vancouver's Brad Richardson is starting shite trying to get his guys back in the game... Would love to see one of our guys lay into him.

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:33 pm EST

Great start! Glad to see Zucc take that shot instead of being too fancy. What a pass by Fast. Looks like Kreider has lost his spot for now. Guarantee AV's next move is moving Kreider up and Stemp down.

JFC31


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:23 pm EST

ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOK ! 3-0

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:19 pm EST

Guess Miller doesn't want to get traded to the desert.....

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:18 pm EST

It's Miller time ! Trade Kreids !

stepunmytoe


Sat Dec 13 2014 7:49 pm EST

Mrs. RF4L, I'm rooting for Toronto over Detroit... :-)

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 7:44 pm EST

Forgetting Vermette for now, "IF" in fact our Deadline Cap-Space is $2.6mill, we could make Yandle & his $5,250,000 this year & next fit under our cap .... JMoore the other way + $850K, trade T.Glass for a pick + $1,450,000 = $4,900,000 .... So we'd be very close right there... If all are healthy that'd be a pretty sick defense...

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 7:11 pm EST

What I remember of him Vermette is a very dependable guy, reminds me of Brass but few more points.and Yandle is a totally legit 50-pt d-man. Helps the powerplay a lot, we'd be badass. This team needs something. Maybe Malone gets in over Glass at the end. Id like to see that team.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 6:37 pm EST

Curious why not Mess? Say its not impossible to make $ work, they fit AV, makes us collectively powerful.I really dont care which kids as long as we keep the best ones if possible. Lindberg & Sjkei? You want a bruiser instead? Very tough market.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 6:22 pm EST

Oh, for Vermette AND Yandle? I wouldn't do it, but yeah that makes more sense.

Messier11


Sat Dec 13 2014 6:14 pm EST

TD, yes I'm aware you brought Morin's name to light a couple of days ago.. Read about him this a.m. in one of the rags... Seems the kid wants out of Chi-town.. I would love to find a new address for Mr. T-Glass, as I don't think that with him or without him is going to determine if we are to win the cup.... However, the amount of young players on this roster does concern me a bit, as does the overall team defense... With Glass out & a guy like Morin (23 y/o) here, we'd have even more competition on our roster among this age group: Fast, Miller, Hayes, Kreider, Morin.... AGAIN, any two players flanking Dom Moore not named T.Glass, gives the 4th line a whole nutha look.... Nothing against the guy, but each forward position matters, and we're deep enough throughout to make him expendable..... jmo naturally....

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 5:34 pm EST

I was gonna throw in you too Mess. Jt duke & a pick for both is horrible? Might get us Lord Stanley.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 5:30 pm EST

That's a horrible trade

Messier11


Sat Dec 13 2014 5:02 pm EST

Rangers 2.6 deadline space. JT( 830 or so)alone gets you Vermette, or right thete.... Hmmm...what would I do...lemme see..... id want Yandle too... Another 5M we cant take without moving someone...Phx can eat 50% but the nhl is footing that bill. Dunno. They definitely need to move $ this year AND next. Thatll be for the new Vegas owner. A stripped down franchise.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 4:27 pm EST

And Vermette's $ not a problem. You ship JT & maybe Dookie for him & a pick, its right there. Sather, who totally bites, is nonetheless cap crafty. Heard theres an actusl game tonight, so right on. TD my Ranger Brutha, we cool? We're cool. Just hoping to get you to crack a joke once in a while, maybe smile a little. Ok, be good.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 4:18 pm EST

Meant to type, "if he ISN'T, then he won't have a spot." As an example, Duclair could have a tremendous tourney, show the upper end of his talent that has AV so intrigued in the first place and the Rangers decide, once again, that they want this kid on the roster....so they bring him back after WJC. Then, if they make a big trade that brings in an experienced wing who plays the same side as Duclair and they think the new wing can offer more than Duclair, they send Duclair back to Jrs. It's that simple, IMO. If he stays on the roster, it simply means they think he is the best option...they don't consider it rushing the kid....just putting him where his talent best serves the organization

JFC31


Sat Dec 13 2014 4:13 pm EST

RF4L -- thenRangers are a pro sports team....they are all about having the best available players on the roster and winning. Duclair outplayed the other wings in camp and won a spot. If the Rangers think,that he is a better option to have on the roster than the other available wings in the AHL, then he will have a roster spot. If he is. To, then he won't have a spot. All they care about is having the best roster. What is a "rush" to you, is simply giving a spot to the best option to the Rangers.

JFC31


Sat Dec 13 2014 4:13 pm EST

Well me & MF pretty much want Vermette at this point. I think Hayes' will continue to grow, but he's bound to hit the wall not used to 82+, and more & more I cant see being confident heading inti the POs. We can hang on to him maybe, depending what a GM wants. But I have to think if we're bringing in any center of consequence one of Hayes, JT or Oscar is gone. And now TD, listen. Just havin a little fun. I dont know factually about that stuff so its tongue in cheek.I cant 100% diagnose from a distance. And I dont have board certification like you!;)

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:42 pm EST

RF4L - yeah, just interesting to hear it from a prospect who's been through it...I still don't understand why they're rushing DUCLAIR along, unless its as simple as they want him for the playoffs...and on NIEVES...are you sure? I think they tried to get SKJEI to leave, but that's the first I've heard of Nieves...He had a pretty lousy sophomore year too...really fell down the depth chart at UMich, Maybe they thought he needed better coaching? I don't know. Good for him for sticking with Michigan. Kid needs work and Hartford ain't the place for someone like him to learn.

tdchi


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:36 pm EST

mf - I mentioned MORIN the other day. He could probably be had pretty cheaply too. He's exactly the type of player the Rangers could use on second or third line...Gritty sand-paper player with skill...Sometimes drops the mitts...out of the USNTDP, played on the gold medal team with KREIDER, STEPAN and KRISTO I think in 2010...Like him then, and I like him now....but if you swing him, then you've got to do something with FAST and/or STEMPNIAK.

tdchi


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:32 pm EST

And dream the hell on about Vermette. You get him at his price tag, which you cannot afford anyways, and what are you going to pay Derek Stepan, who's, arguably, your number 1 center. I'm not in bed with Sather but I feel pretty safe making this prediction: Vermette will NOT be a Ranger.

RF4L


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:31 pm EST

Who would Morin replace? He's a winger, arguably the Rangers biggest strength. The Rangers have pressboxed a junior eligible kid for 1 of 3 games because of the logjam.

RF4L


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:27 pm EST

RR - So now MILLER is a scrub who is on steroids who is going to get traded for Antoine friggin' Vermette...man...This just keeps getting better and better...If Miller is a "scrub" that says a lot about the Rangers, their system and more specifically, they're second line. Vermette? $3.75 million to play third line center? Absolutely friggin' genius. And I'm not even going to address this steroids business. You've really reached the pinnacle of hypocrisy today.

tdchi


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:27 pm EST

Haha, TD. He's gonna need a custom helmet!!! Bwaha!!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:24 pm EST

TD: Not surprised at all to hear that, albeit it is different coming from the player. History has proven time and time again pushing teenagers into the NHL rarely has tangible benefits. Sather's string of failures is more than enough evidence, let alone looking elsewhere (like Matteau and the Devils or Neidemeyer and the Islanders). Crazy ass decisions without much merit. I read something about Boo Nieves last week and apparently the Rangers tried to get him to turn pro last summer. WTF?

RF4L


Sat Dec 13 2014 3:20 pm EST

RR - Man, you're a piece of work. Never mind. And if you care to figure it out, just re-read all your posts to me.

tdchi


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:48 pm EST

Hayes at 6'5" listed at 225 lbs, 22 yo, is probably still growing into his body.. A few lbs of muscle in the gym and a little nasty nasty to his game would make for a very imposing center for many years to come.. With the benefit of watching Hayes with the big club, he's the last one of the 3 that I'd trade..

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:30 pm EST

Oh and sry MF, can't link it or I would. And what's interesting with Phoenix is they drafted Oscar Lindberg (who scored again last night). I don't think they realized how good an offensive player he'd become, so they dealt him to us. But if we did go after a guy like Vermette, I don't seem how you make a deal with out giving them a young center back, one of Lindberg, Hayes or Miller. I'd trade Lindberg last, but it might not go down that way if it happens.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:27 pm EST

NASHVILLE & CHICAGO seem to be the only 2 teams with a GAA of < 2 gpg... The NY Rangers have played the fewest games in the league thus far, and are at 2.923 GAPG....This GAA Chart from the NHL Stats has our GAA at 2.77 gapg, perhaps it weighs the OT losses differently.... http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLSAAAll&sort=avgGoalsAgainstPerGame&viewName=goalsAgainst ............ We must play better team defense if we're going to go deep into the playoffs.. IMO, MCD needs to sure up his game a bit, stay healthy & get back to basics & rebuild... Hope that "C" isn't weighing on his game.. And as discussed 2 or so days ago here, (I think York had said it best) AV needn't sacrifice the defensive side of the game such that every breakout of our zone has to be pedal to the metal... Nothing wrong with chipping the puck up the boards a little and then accelerating into the rush... We've got to get those GA's down.... jmon

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:22 pm EST

MF, you should read the new 30 thoughts from what's his face, Elliot Friedman. He mentions teams after Morin but him not being available.he also mentions how Don Maloney wanted to resign Vermette for $6m per but is precluded from doing so by the ownership edict.That dude's available. TD, I'm not sure what it is you even told me with regard to JT. He has a very long way to go to cement himself with the team,still dresses under a stall marked 'scrub'. But I agree with what others have said, that this is one dumb subject that really crowds more important ones. And I'm not trying to break balls, and you know I don't like aspersions cast on kids, but does or does not JT have some of the earmarks of a steriod user? All this talk by the coach, asst gm and teammates about his behavior, last year the kid came in twice the size like Lenny Dykstra, the acne, hes talking a mile a minute, and just the other night I though I noticed his head was maybe a little crooked like Sammy Sosa hahaha. I'm not trying to start trouble, I SWEAR. Its just that I wasn't the only one who noticed it. Got a bunch of emails from friends, they were all talking about it. And it would jibe with some other things Ive heard on this kid I wont repeat. You don't think that's possible?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:01 pm EST

Fickle Post of the hour: Curious what JEREMY MORIN would cost us.. Signed for 800K this year & next, 23 y/o, & a 45th overall pick.. I’d rather he be on our farm than Chicago’s.. According to “The Hockey News,” he needs some work on the defensive side of the game.. Worries me a bit, as does our entire team defense…… http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7148 ……… http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8475214&docid=TeamPlayerBio:41086#&navid=nhl-search …….

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 12:37 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-several-teams-looking-at-moves-leading-up-to-holiday-trade-freeze/

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 12:33 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/beer-cost-index-shows-which-arenas-give-the-best-bang-for-your-buck/

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:56 am EST

RF4L - Not surprised at all. DUCLAIR is getting a chance to represent his country...and it's been some time since the Canadians have had a gold. There's pride on the line there...had an interesting conversation with a beat writer of the Albany Devils the other night on Stefan MATTEAU, a kid who has struggled so far in the AHL...he asked Matteau if playing his rookie year with the Devils was a positive or negative thing for his development and the kid immediately responded 'negative.' Said basically the experience played head games with him...that when he went back down to the AHL, he felt like he was a side show in the NHL...that he hadn't earned that time(which, to a large degree, is true)...Just thought that was interesting to hear from a prospect.

tdchi


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:49 am EST

Saturday morning and no Sermons? Temple of Doom!

mf


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:46 am EST

RR - I don't need a sermon to say 'I told you so.' So there: I told you so. The stupid part is that I don't care who skates second line or fourth line. I just want both guys to play the game I know they can play.

tdchi


Sat Dec 13 2014 10:18 am EST

That is a strange take by AV on Klein & the PP. Don't know his reasoning, but he said even the team was getting on his case about it in the locker room. If it's a R-L thing and Boyle's on 1st unit, OK. But Klein can't get a turn on the 2nd unit, ever? Girardi is that much better? Idk. AV also mentioned how loaning Duclair gives them cap flex for internal moves. Hmmm.....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 9:31 am EST

Duclair excited to be at WJCs and wanted to go.....http://www.tsn.ca/video/wjhc-duclair-taking-release-in-stride-1.158548

RF4L


Sat Dec 13 2014 6:40 am EST

"Vigneault, meanwhile, issued an unsolicited and bizarre proclamation regarding Kevin Klein, who has six of the seven goals scored by Rangers defensemen. “[He] knows that he can score five more goals five-on-five and I’m still not going to use him on the power play,” said the coach, sounding strangely Tortorellish . "...........http://nypost.com/2014/12/13/why-return-to-vancouver-wont-be-sweet-for-rangers-glass

stevielegs


Sat Dec 13 2014 4:19 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/13/vigneaults-not-so-subtle-message-to-chris-kreider/

stevielegs


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:16 am EST

I see some of that too Vic. And I know youre excited by him and kids can surprise. But hed also be taking PP draws as a center, and we cant lose 7 of 10 PP possessions. Its a bit of a harsh atmosphere for Hayes because of where the team is in its competitive cycle. Idk they can maintain aspirations and afford kids like Hayes & even Fast & Miller Iin prominent roles. I think Hayes needs to show another gear quickly, fair or not, or theyll look for a center. I think theyd be compelked to. A .5 ppg 3rd C is respectable but not enough to cover some of the team's warts.a 60-pt center there makes us tough, 3 dangerous lines. Its not all on Hayes either. But dont think front office takes any chances. Nor should they. Not this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 13 2014 1:02 am EST

MF: Fair enough. I don't think you are going to see it though. AV and the rest of the organization see him as a Center. He looks like a Center to me. He handles the puck and moves the puck like a Center. He sees the ice and reads the play like a Center. He doesn't have the characteristics that I would look for in a winger. He isn't a forechecker and he isn't a sniper. When I look at a guy like MILLER I see a winger. In fact, I would say it is drop dead obvious that MILLER should be on the wing. When I look at HAYES I see a Center. RR: HAYES lacks quickness, not speed. More specifically, he is slow to get moving when he is stopped. When he is moving he has all the speed he needs. Case in point was the goal he scored against the Pens. He read the play and intercepted the pass inside the Rangers blue line. He took the puck all the way to the goal and only was caught from behind when he slowed down at the goal. All he needs to do is be moving into the zone with speed. His body, his reach and that long stick make it almost impossible for one guy to get the puck from him. If two converge on him then at least two Rangers should be open. Once he demonstrates the ability to gain the zone by beating guys 1 on 1 or moving the puck to an open Ranger when 2 D converge the D will have to back off. This is what MALKIN does to other teams. You can't take the puck from him 1 on 1 and if you try to take him with 2 guys he moves the puck to an open man. Impossible to defend. That is why MALKIN lugs the puck a lot for them on the PP.

Vic


Fri Dec 12 2014 11:52 pm EST

Vic, agreed on need for transporter on PP. And Hayes should get a look, I like him in open ice in the zone. But the kid skates like a wounded animal. He cant be the primary puck carrier imo, though he does beat people 1-on-1 sometimes. Special teams play in middle of the ice is too pressurized, requires speed to hit the holes. and beat the first forechecker wide if necessary jmwo.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:46 pm EST

Vic: I'd like to have the benefit of seeing Hayes play the wing for a half dozen games to see his play there... We really have nothing to compare him to in relation to his play in one position vs the other...

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 8:55 pm EST

I know a few folks have suggested moving HAYES to the wing but that would be a mistake in my opinion. As we have seen and talked about here, one of the best aspects of his game is his ability to read plays (especially on opposing team's breakouts) and intercept passes. In that respect he really is one of the Rangers best defensive players from about 6 feet inside of the offensive blue line to about 6 feet inside the Rangers defensive blue line - right down the middle of the ice. That is where most of his intercepts come from. If you put him on the wing you are going to lose that and put him in a position that doesn't play to his strengths. He isn't a board crasher. He isn't a guy like HAGS that is going to fly into the zone on the forecheck and cause turnovers. Defensively, he isn't a scrambling winger that can collapse down and quickly get back to cover or pressure the points. Yes, he can protect the puck along the boards but he has the skill set to be a guy that can dominate in the middle of the ice. That is where the Rangers see his future and I agree. The biggest reason I want to see him on the PP is so that he can lug the puck into the zone. The Rangers desperately need a guy that can beat people 1 on 1 entering the zone on the PP. If they don't start inside the offensive zone and win the draw it takes them FOREVER to get the puck back into the zone and get the PP setup. It seems like they spend the first 90 seconds of every PP trying to establish possession in the offensive zone and then get a few chances before the PP expires. Too often they play dump and chase on the PP. It is such a huge advantage for a team like the Pens who have CROSBY and MALKIN to bring the puck into the zone. The Pens have a dominant PP in part because they maximize those 2 minutes by spending most of it in the offensive end with possession and control of the puck.

Vic


Fri Dec 12 2014 8:39 pm EST

Hayes-Kreider-Hagelin is a line Id like to see. You could tell H & K knew how to find each other in their cameo vs. STL, who they just overwhelmed.one of the best shifts of nyr hockey id seen in a long time (though the puck never went in). I never liked Kreider with Stepan much anyway. Two huge dudes with Hags, also making it two if the fast guys in the NHL playing together is a worthwhile experiment imo. For now Kreiders with Moore & Fast, good. Let him eat some meat & potatoes and get himself re-set. Then he will reclaim Rome ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 7:50 pm EST

Was perusing the historical stats on NHL.com, Crosby is at 151st place all time, see he's out for at least 2 games.. HOWEVER, check out these +/- stats of all time, some names are surprising... http://www.nhl.com/ice/careerstats.htm?fetchKey=00002ALLSAHAll&sort=plusMinus&viewName=careerLeadersAllSeasons

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 6:37 pm EST

guess kid k never plays alongside purple hayes since hagelin has that spot. stempi should be on 4th line if kid k can switch to right side. he needs to see the game differently right now anyhow....time to stop licking his wounds, and kicking up a few notches......or he might become known as kid kritters.....on the 4th line.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 12 2014 6:23 pm EST

if kid k crushes anybody, he'll probably hurt his neck, and get suspended.....for the hit....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 12 2014 5:35 pm EST

Actually, I would like to see Kreider crush Beiksa. Can't stand that cheap bastard.

Bob


Fri Dec 12 2014 5:01 pm EST

I'm sure there will be several Canucks launched when they meet up with a pent-up Kreider, who missed games and now finds himself down the lineup. Poor bastards. Here's hoping Burrows is one of them. There's a guy that needs to pay for what he did to McD. Seriously. Like, stretchered. Or chalked. That fuck.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 4:22 pm EST

And RF, you heard we're acquiring Jumbo? Source? ;) Actually I believe Vermette is flavor of the week. Bein a greedy bastid Id want Yandle for that 5 spot. We'd be uncontainable. Klein-Yandle might be as good as some teams top pairing. Theyd be our 3rd.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 4:16 pm EST

"No. 20's spot." Which he will soon reclaim like Gladiator!!!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 4:14 pm EST

I agree RF. I was Stupid. I capitalized the s intentionally for emphasis. I may have been harboring resentments since last week when you suggested trading Kreider, which upset me greatly. Its why I need TD around to knock silly, it soothes me. Now where's he at?!!! The vermin!!! He heard Millers in no. 20's and is prepping a sermon!! Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 3:57 pm EST

OMG RR, I couched the post with all kinds of precautions - did you not read it? I'm not advocating the firing of AV nor am I predicting a non-PO finish. Just musing based on all the stories the past few days about Babcock allegedly about to resign with the Wings and his subsequent strong denial that it's imminent. It looks like he's set on testing the coaching UFA market and given his impressive resume, it makes for interesting (IMO) conjecture. Aren't you the dude he routinely muses about acquiring Jumbo Joe? If so, it's similar in that it's merely pondering what could be if the situation warrants it. Better, IMO, than arguing incessantly about Kreider vs Miller, don't ya think??

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 3:49 pm EST

@PLeonardNYDN: Kreider skating on left wing of fourth line. Glass and Hunwick extras. Miller stays w Stepan and MSL in line rushes

Wildcard


Fri Dec 12 2014 3:40 pm EST

Didnt we win our last game? Has AV fallen ill? Why are we changing coaches Again? AVS got his quirks. Wanted to kill him with his inFastuation, turns out he mightve been seein something after all. Heres thevthing with coaches; the GOOD ones dont really win/lose you many games imo. Weve got bigger problems than AV. Now a bad coach, and I do consider Torts one despite his success, is when a coach does the one thing he csnnot do, which is misuse & damage players.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 3:29 pm EST

stevie: Hard to believe Sather would can AV if the Rangers make the POs, even if they go out early. However, if they don't make the POs, Sather surely will be looking for a quick fix, given his desire to win now. And the Rangers are rich enough that paying AV not to coach for 3 years likely would factor in little on the decision.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 2:59 pm EST

I would take Babcock either way , but Sather might not be able to handle him and vice versa......if veenyo does make post season, and is not 1 and done, doubtful Sather would can him...he could send him to Hartford..... to teach Babcock's system.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 12 2014 2:21 pm EST

Hospo, and Malone! Playing D! Babcock is too ugly to coach the Rangers. AVs got a 5 yr deal. Even if he were to miss he'd return I'd think. And we're not missing the playoffs. Think we're about to kick some west coast butt!!!! Where's TD? Im ready to rumble.....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 2:09 pm EST

I know these are big ifs and pure musing, but if the Rangers fail to make the POs how would folks feel about the Rangers replacing AV with Mike Babcock who certainly seems intent on testing the coaching UFA waters, understandably so IMO because he'll likely command huge dollars (from an NHL coaching perspective of course). I am not posting this predicting a non-PO finish, but if the rest of the season goes as the first 1/3 has, it's possible and if that happens, then without a doubt the head coach's security would be in question. Babcock is one helluva coach....

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 2:01 pm EST

Hospo: Duclair at camp today and indeed lining up with Reinhart and Domi. That's potentially a very good line and I hope it stays together for a while. Given McDavid's age and injury woes, I am assuming Reinhart, at least for now, is considered as Canada's first line center, meaning the Duke could get a ton of icetime. The opportunity is there for him - let's hope he runs with it.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:55 pm EST

RABID - And I agree with you on GIRARDI..I've been very impressed with him almost every game...Playing a very responsible, physical defensive game...Great to see he didn't bag it after the contract!

Hospo


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:53 pm EST

RABID - I was wondering what the point was of your Wolfpack post...Well, until I read your last line!! :)

Hospo


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:40 pm EST

RR: Re Girardi - agreed and he's been saddled with the under-achieving McD to boot. He's playing very solidly, without a doubt.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:37 pm EST

Speaking of systems and guys who do/don't fit, one by who has been good lately has been Girardi. Very quietly, as usual. But I haven't noticed him scrambling like he was there for a while.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:34 pm EST

Bob, interesting on the zone vs man to man coverage.. I recall Torts having the offensive guys collapsing so down low to the net.. I would imagine a speedy or strong winger would prefer man 2 man coverage.. Wonder if this is Ulfie's implementation or AV's ?

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:09 pm EST

Little Pack Update I was reading; The Wolf Pack beat the Albany Devils 3-2 last night: -Mat Bodie: 1 shot -Conor Allen: 1 assist, minus one, 3 shots -Ryan Malone: 1 assist, plus one, 3 shots -Henrik Tallinder: minus one, 1 shot -Dylan McIlrath: minus one, 2 shots, tripping penalty -Ryan Bourque: minus one, 2 shots -Marek Hrivik: 2 assists, 2 shots -Chris Bourque: 2 goals, plus one, 5 shots, roughing and tripping penalties -Chris Mueller: minus one, 3 shots -Oscar Lindberg: 1 shot, high sticking penalty -Michael Kostka: nothing on scoresheet -Ryan Haggerty: 1 assist, 2 shots Danny Kristo was out with a lower body injury that is not believed to be serious. (Bob Crawford) Brandon Mersky was at the game sent in the following thoughts: -Ryan Malone made some nice defensive plays -Oscar Lindberg played a strong two-way game and a scout said he could be a third-line center in the NHL

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:05 pm EST

can't disagree RF. Think it all stems from his physical game; everything flows from that imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 12:09 pm EST

RR: Kreider has sucked lately, far more often than not. I think, in part, it's because he's putting pressure on himself to contribute offensively and he's not. That's probably eroding his confidence and when that happens to a player, his entire game goes south. Kreider needs to make his game simpler and capitalize on his assets, which are speed and size. Starting getting in on the forecheck and create chances on a consistent basis. He does that and the scoring opportunities will naturally present themselves. I think he's forcing stuff and from what I can see, his hockey IQ isn't there yet.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 12:06 pm EST

Bob: Without a doubt that's contributing. And Tortorella had the forwards collapsing (which contributed to so many blocked shots) and that helped lessen the vulnerability of the D. A 3rd factor is the overall speed of the game AV wants. The Rangers weren't nearly as quick then, both in style and across the roster. You play fast and go up against a team equally quick, you increase the chances of any player, especially those on the backline, being exposed.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 11:27 am EST

RF4L-I am more of a novice than some here regarding systems and the like. So here is my question: Torts had the D playing a "zone" type defense. AV prefers they play more of a "man to man" defense. Seems to me that the latter is more difficult than the former for the d-men. Could this be the reason that Staal, Girardi, McD seem more exposed under this coach than they did under the former? Would a guy like Staal look better playing the zone type than having to play the man to man? One thing that rarely happened under Torts was the defensemen both vacating the front of the net. We have seen that happen frequently under AV.

Bob


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:41 am EST

BTW, that horrible slump Kreider is in? He has 9 pts his last 15 games. Hardly a trade-worthy drought. But you're judged differently as an Adonis ha....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:21 am EST

Not in bed with him but usually can figure out what he's up to. And no, I knew Cally was going. Staal is right on that line, depends which night we're talking about. Some nights you can't imagine them being without him, others you can see it. But I believe in the guy. He's been largely terrific, and he'll step up in the POs. Just in case lol, the MF/RR hybrid proposal of importing Vermette/ Yandle could go a ways towards filling that spot next year. Great as Klein's been (and watch several pucks bounce in off him this weekend) his emergence means nothing as it relates too Staal because he plays the other side. Now Klein actually can & has played the left, but I don't think you want to go a full year like that. AV is a stickler with R/L anyway.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:14 am EST

RR: Re 'They're not trading Staal'...you in bed with Sather or what? I wonder if you were one of those who were so convinced last year that Callahan was going nowhere? Of course you could be right - Sather makes as many dumb moves as he does smart ones and having Staal walk for nothing would be, without a doubt, the former. And let's face it - I am a huge Staal supporter, but he's had some questionable games this year and even in games where he's played well, he's been guilty of ridiculous brainfarts. That to me, makes me question 1) the validity of giving him even a Girardi contract 2) just how irreplaceable he really is. The latter is even more obvious when you think of how well KK has played and the fact that until recently, when talking about the Rangers defense, it was the big 3 (McD, G and Staal), with the other 3 interchangeable and arguably, replaceable. KK, lately anyways, has been more consistent and therefore, reliable than Staal and one could argue the big 3 are McD, G and KK, with Staal lining up as the 4th. IMO, KK's play is giving Sather some options when it comes to the pressure of dealing with the Staal contract negotiations.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:11 am EST

moof might end up at 71 mil.....nhl needs to look at how mlb luxury tax is working, and make their own work.....players have the guy who made it happen representing them.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:07 am EST

Wild: Good point - another reason to anticipate a turn-around and to be concerned if we see more of the same thru the 4 games. The excuses, in other words, are gone. Man up boys!!!

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 10:06 am EST

Was just thinking same Wild. No excuses now. In a way it was good to give everybody a look since camp. I would've preferred a few more guys got looks, or longer looks, but their call, not mine. Hayes & Fast the last men standing. And now Miller. Wouldn't want to forget him ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:56 am EST

RF4L: Adding to what you posted, another reason we should see a turn around if this team is for real is that they are all healthy, well, healthy enough to play that is. The constant in an out of the lineup of players early did not help things stay consistent. Now for the last few games for the most part they have been all in, save a sickness and Kreider for a game. SO moving forward it will be 90% of the lineup as it was intended game to game and with that they should look more comfortable with each other, and should play better. If not, yeah, something will change, and I don't think it will be AV or Sather so that means a trade will happen.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:55 am EST

Rumor Rangers are boarding a plane today and playing an actual game sometime this weekend. Zuc zero PP points. that needs to change. They're not trading Staal. Need him for POs. If he's dumb enough not to sign before the deadline, they can ink him in summer or let him walk and use the $ elsewhere. Everything needn't be a trade though we love them. I am liking the Vermette & Yandle plan MF & I hatched in the early morning hours. We might overwhelm teams. MF doesn't think it's possible, but it is. Unlikely but possible.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:44 am EST

Malone will probably be gone, hopefully Glass too....Back to Vermette, it would be nice to see Hayes at wing for a few games to see his game there.. And NO, I'm not saying Miller be moved to center...Just gauging Hayes at the wing

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:40 am EST

Even at $73 mill, its going to be tricky to sign everyone.. Step,Hag's,MSL,MZA,STAAL, think you're signing them for less than $24mill? Staal at $5.5 mill per is where we need to be..this does not include room for Stemp, Malone, Jmoore

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:32 am EST

Yo gentlemen, those figures are 2014/2015 so that we know what the FLOOR is this season..Bungholio just said next years cap is looking like $73 mill... Let's read a little closer please. The discussion was about how close to the Cap Floor are The Yotes.

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:30 am EST

?????...MF, are you in bed with Buttman?????...I just had to rinse my mind out with soap!

RF73


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:29 am EST

Niscushkin looks like Nash's younger brother.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:13 am EST

If we cant sign Staal then let him negotiate a deal with Dallas then ship him with McIlrath (who I like- and Dallas loves- but I am afraid will never see the ice with Vignault as coach) & Glass for Oleksiak, Nichuskin & Garbutt. Ruff has supposedly had enough of Garbutt and we need some of that jam in our bottom 6. Oleksiak is a beast with good skating ability and Nichuskin is a future stud. They get their top Dman in Staal, the player they wanted at the draft in McIrath and a grinder to replace a headache in Garbutt. Sorry for the preposterous post but its a slow morning in the office!!! All the best wallsters!!!!

PatrickDiv


Fri Dec 12 2014 9:03 am EST

And I just checked around - seeing nothing about that new cap figure. WTF? MF, are you in bed with Buttman??

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 8:58 am EST

BTW, if the mediocrity continues, something's gonna give. How big that give turns out to be will, of course, be mitigated by the cap restraints. If Staal has to go and the team's struggles continue, that might be the right time to move him.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 8:56 am EST

$69M? I read that the Board of Gov's were assured from the league that it would be $71M at the lowest possible level. Has that changed?

PatrickDiv


Fri Dec 12 2014 8:55 am EST

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that if the Rangers middling efforts continue thru this 4 game road trip, it's quite likely it's what we'll see for the entire season. I'm not basing this on anything truly factual, just a gut feeling rising out of 2 thoughts: 1) It's high time this team, if they are for real, got their act together, especially considering, unlike last season, they didn't start the season on an extended road trip and their coach isn't new. 2) Road trips often help to bring a team together, especially when that team is under-achieving. Guess we'll find out soon enough!

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 8:39 am EST

$69,000,000? Say bye-bye Marc Staal. Start shopping him NOW Sather.

RF4L


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:37 am EST

NHL sets 2014-'15 salary cap at $69 million, floor at $51 million

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:34 am EST

no no no no no...... Not trading Hayes, I'd sooner part with hmm hmm, just about anyone on the farm including POTULNY, MCILRATH, GLASS, JMoore....( I'll let you keep your Linburg Baby, Buchnevich, DuClaw, & Haggerty, & that Sklei kid & the goalies Skapski & the other dude) ..... and BTW, I believe ARIZONA is close to the Cap Floor with $15+ mill in cap room.....

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:21 am EST

Nope. JT $832k. So similar to Hayes. Not impossible. They migjt have to take a contract back, like Glass. Idk.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:19 am EST

Actuslly not inconceivable MF. NYR 2.6 deadline space as of now. Moore & Hayes (for instance) gets you over $4m. PHO takes half the hit but cuts Yandle $5+ off their books next year and gets good young players. Ghose c ap configurations also shift pretty dramatically near deadline. Itd be very close under that scenario. If you subbed Miller rather than Hayes even easier. Think JT makes 1.4. But dont quote me on that.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:11 am EST

the $$$ won't work, you'd have to part with players most say are not for sale.... To get Yandle, we'd have to trade Staal & or MZA, John Moore too.... And for the record, I don't want to pay Staal a dime over $5.5 mill per year.... And Lundqvist should have been capped at $8mill IMO... Plenty of money & potentia endorsements to make additional $$$ here in NYC... We need the $$$ to build a winner around him..... end of late night rant.... blah blah blah

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 1:05 am EST

Threre's no way you're fitting Yandle $5.25 mill & Vermette $3.75 mill on this roster.. JMoore is making less than $900K... want to trade MZA? $3.5mill freed up... I really dont have any sympathy for Maloney, ph_ck him, here's hoping that he needs to to cut $$$$... We need Slather to "pull a Blowmez" on them......

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 12:56 am EST

RR: looked into his stats when you first brought up HANZAL.. Seems to me that he may be had for substantially less than Hanzal, & he has just 1 year remaining on his contract, so that makes "cap-life" a bit more palatable for next season...I don't know what he'd cost but I'd say there are quite a few untouchables on our squad afaic.. At this point I think Arizona would like to save a couple of million bucks this season, so if we could part with some Wolfpack pieces, I'd be fine with that. Hayes would need to slide over to the wing, no big deal... Outside of adding that one center, I'm prepared to go to war with what we have.. I like the Fast / Stempniak interchangeable duo, glad DuClaw is with his peers to potentially compete in his age group playoffs, I'm happy not to see Tanner Glass every night, happy to see Miller with the big boys, albeit on wing, and I hold out hope the Malone is still in the wings.... As for Vinny LeCav, no thank you, I'd rather have Vermette...... OAN, IMO our kids are not playing with enough intensity, they'd get a good awakening by watching last years Rangers Playoff drive to get present to what it takes to get there...... jmhon.....

mf


Fri Dec 12 2014 12:54 am EST

Vermette alone would cost. Maloney knows hed need good nhl-ready prospects. Maybe John Moore gets it started. But if you could ever plug Yandle onto the other PP point, have Boyle & Yandle, thatd be leetch-zubov light. Maybe very light lol. But pretty damn good. McD gets points but not an offensive performer imo. But that'd be a serious go for move. Over $9m pricetag so wed need cap relief, and itd cost some good kids. But we can afford it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 12 2014 12:30 am EST

Vermette's a real nice fit, potentially MF. Lost post.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 11:29 pm EST

MFred: we're long overdue for a Despo sighting. "Where's Waldo?" ;-)

mf


Thu Dec 11 2014 11:26 pm EST

As for picking up a 3rd line center for depth that shouldn't cost us an arm & a leg, is getting paid $3,750,000 and is an UFA after this season.. Arizona's ANTIONNE VERMETTE.... Arizona seems to be in a major sinkhole and I'm guessing that there is more than mere coincidence to this most recent Season Ticket interest in Las Vegas & Arizona's demise. In summation, I believe there's gonna be some opportunities to pick at the carcass.... Here is an expanded chart on Vermettes career stats..... Good on faceoffs too..... http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/v/vermean01-additional.html ...... http://capgeek.com/coyotes/

mf


Thu Dec 11 2014 11:23 pm EST

Pretty good comparison MF. Tkachuk was stockier & way nastier the Kreider, gotta say. Great player.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 11:23 pm EST

Is Despo still doing time?

MelvilleFred


Thu Dec 11 2014 10:43 pm EST

So Hospo, what lead to the formulation of, Despo, Limbo, Barto, and Gibbo, The Marx Brothers?

mf


Thu Dec 11 2014 10:34 pm EST

Here's Keith Tkachuk's career stats.... May Kid K be as good, please... http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/t/tkachke01.html

mf


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:46 pm EST

Actually, delayed due to the snow out here....

RF4L


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:45 pm EST

Hospo: LOL....just read a story about TC's first day at camp - Duclair wasn't there; he was travelling! LOL....

RF4L


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:40 pm EST

Hospo; That's a pretty impressive line on paper, anyways. Reinhart will be a go-to player for Canada - he played well last year as an 18 year old and Domi, unlike his papa, can stickhandle in a phonebooth. Interesting...

RF4L


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:30 pm EST

TD, remember part of this game is reading, so we can understand each other. I said Kreider is establishing himself as one of the best YOUNG LWs in the game, if not the best (young lw)." No one said hes the best in the universe, though you & York shockingly took it that way. If you tell me Kreider isnt generally recognized as that in hockey circles Id strongly disagree. And of course consistency is part of it. But ALL players battle that. Was MSL consistent with 1-in-24 last year? Cant hold Kreider to an impossible standard. I see people mentioning him & the word trade same sentence. They should have their heads examined.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 8:52 pm EST

York - The two boldest things I've said about MILLER are that he's a top-two forward and that if the Rangers traded him, they'd instantly regret it...Never said the guy was going to be an all-star. Never said he was going to be 100-point player. Certainly never said he was gonna be the Rangers' top line center...Do I like the kid? Hell yeah. I like his style. He's my type of player. But I also have a realistic outlook. When I said he's the best forward prospect for the Rangers in North America and not in the NHL? Well, that's truth...Certainly, I've been pushing for him to be in the NHL. But I'm also quick to admit when the guy drops a goose egg...for example, earlier this season...big jump from having a favorite player to calling someone one of the best in the NHL...RR - You simply can't back that up. I very willing to admit KREIDER is a talented kid and...MAYBE one day he's becomes a top-tier winger...he ain't there yet...I tell you what...you go through the league leaders in points on the left last year...hell, even this year...and you're going to see a bunch of names in the top 20...I'd venture to say a good 15 of them...that are WAY better than Kreider now...and out of those, there's a good seven or eight who will likely always be better than him...Remember, part of the game is consistency.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 7:01 pm EST

RF4L - Lines at Team Canada's 1st Practice....Domi-Reinhart-DUCLAIR......

Hospo


Thu Dec 11 2014 7:00 pm EST

On the 4th, idk we've had Glass in there with (I'll call him a new, improved) Fast for more than a few games. As Fast came on, Glass got mumps. But Fast is beginning to assert himself more in battles, and he wins some of them. And I do think - and this is on his linemates too - if that line can try too generate more down low, Fast might bust out a bit. He's been maybe overly concerned with D, and hey it worked for him, he made the team against good competition. But He's very alert in the offensive zone, if you look he's in the right places to a score. Its just, how much possession & passing & pressure can that line muster?. Anyway, if Fast chips in in a big way, I think that 4th line is as good or better than last. You gotta get some kind of offense. Dorsett I was surprised didn't offer even the occassional goal. Boyler, I miss Boyle, but oh well. I like Glass, and no surprised I'm an island on that one.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 6:46 pm EST

That's not what I wrote York. Read it again. And no LW scores 40 goals consistently. If Kreider did, yeah, I guess you'd call him the best. He'd be the best if he scored 80, too. He's not doing that either.Kreider imo should be a very tough-to-handle 28-34 goal guy. He might peak a bit more in the goal scoring dept a year or two, but seasons can't be measured by goals alone.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 6:05 pm EST

RR man you love tO embellish Kreider needs to hire you for PR you'd have them putting up a statue of him at the garden before the playoffs. Kreider the best LW in the game? That's a bold statement he has the tools to be one hell of a power forward but best to me means at least 40 goals consistently. Kreider needs to be on his way to one 20 goal season let's not put the carriage before the horse. TD you pump up miller a ton look we all have our favorites the kids we pick and want to see thrive more than anything right now miller is thriving on wing don't be in such a hurry to move him back to center the ability to not have to over think the game is working for him now be happy about that. Who cares where he has a long career center or wing as long as it's productive and for us......and to everyone else speaking blasphemy Larry brooks is god

York18


Thu Dec 11 2014 5:56 pm EST

All Cosby discussion and not Crosby discussion is in the exclusive purview of the off topic wall

Messier11


Thu Dec 11 2014 4:20 pm EST

RR.., Damn! "schlong" and "COS.." references in short order; too funny! Oh, and spot on about Kreider also. I am still stunned anyone on this Wall would take anything the "Tool" Brooks writes seriously.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Dec 11 2014 3:49 pm EST

so in fantasyland, who would trade kid k for jt jitters straight up?.....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 11 2014 3:04 pm EST

On the disparity between line minutes...I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure AV relied on his fourth line a little more last year...at least during the playoffs...and that reflected the personnel he had down there...BOYLE-MOORE-DORSETT/CARCILLO was one of the best fourth lines in the NHL last year...and a real reason the Rangers went as far as they did...I don't think AV has nearly as much faith in his bottom line guys as he did last year.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 3:00 pm EST

Totally unrelated to anything and JusT to change the subject, I dont follow celebrity crap at all, but just read Beverly Johnson's unbelievable account of being drugged by Cosby in Vanity Fair. Some of youse would probably remember her face, she was a top black model in the 70's. She'd been silent up till know, as apparently were so many women. Sick sumbitch that Cosby, serial drugger & rapist. And they were playing this douche up as America's black dad. That karma thing is a real bitch.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 2:39 pm EST

Yeah TD, like when you inserted JT on a line with MSL & Step.lol. Cant stand when its the jt-nimrod show in here. Ill say this for him, cause I dont like getting on him ( but do like cracking TD). Miller these last few games looks a whole lot more like the kid I saw in u.s. juniors. That is an effective player. And yeah, if he keeps working, maybe a highly effective Tonelli-type player. Still wont be in the same stratosphere as Kreider, but Ill take it.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 2:31 pm EST

In fact, I've been pretty careful not to say anything about Miller's play because three games does not make a season, nor does it mean consistency. All I've said about Miller is that he's ready for prime time.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 2:28 pm EST

Messier11 - Show me where I'm exaggerating. Sorry, but the exaggerating goes one way and here it is in a nut shell --> "Chris Kreider is well on his way towards establishing himself as one of the best young LWs in hockey. if not THE best."

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 2:24 pm EST

A little bit of exaggeration going on here with both Kreider and Miller, and in both directions. KREIDER was recently injured and is probably still feeling the effects. AV has the luxury of an otherwise healthy forward roster, and the push of Fast and Miller. Kreider has had a pretty disappointing season so far, but so has MZA. MILLER has largely been snakebit under both Torts and AV, but has always shown promise with each and every call up over the past two seasons, to include a strong but short showing in the playoffs. I suspect both players will be integral to the future of this club, so I don't understand the debate of one at the expense of the other.

Messier11


Thu Dec 11 2014 1:50 pm EST

TD, STOP. Kreider was skating with the defensemen yesterday because he's still questionable. Disgusting how you look to call him odd man out. Brooks? he should do what he does best - suck agent schlong. There's no hyperbole. Get it straight; Chris Kreider is well on his way towards establishing himself as one of the best young LWs in hockey. if not THE best. JT Miller is two months removed from having his assistant GM tell him PUBLICLY he will be gonzo if he doesn't straighten out his act. And act that is so bad behind closed doors apparently that even his teammates comments, like Stepan's yesterday, are blatantly obviously regarding this kid's immaturity. That's why Step talked about how he is NOW being accountable, and how important it is. Gimme a break already. This kid has been a fucking FLOP until the last 3 games, a mindless excuse for a hockey player trying to beat 3 guys in front of his own net LOL. He's got a LONG way to go to even prove he BELONGS. no such question there with Kreider, who yes, is a Golden Adonis LOL. Take your tongue out of JT's ass already.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 1:50 pm EST

td: Brooks is a total and compete moron. Arneil (sp) said since AV was not there at practice and since it was a long week that he just had the guys skate with th lines from the last game and AV would decide what happened with Kreider. AV said at some point he hadn't set anything yet because they still had time before the game. Kreider being the odd man out during practice was a symptom of AV not being there...it really tells us nothing.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 11 2014 1:37 pm EST

RR - So I guess you missed the Brooks article? Or Kreider being the odd man out in practice? Or the discussion here for the past 24 hours, which you've been a part of? Or what I posted an hour ago, saying there's no comparison of the two? Look, I get it. You love KREIDER. But don't make the guy out to be something that he's not. He's a very talented player who has yet to find his grove...and you can say his numbers were a result of injury last season...but before he got injured, Kreider had a very similar dry spell to what he's experiencing now. I'm saying it's to be expected with young players like, yes, Miller. Actually, I think the other implicit comparison between the two is a lack of consistency. Everyone hopes JT has found it now, just like we all hoped Kreider had found it last season...but young players have hiccups. So you can sit here and make Kreider out to be some sort of bronzed Adonis as much as you want...and keep bashing the guy who is playing the way he should be playing...but eventually, you've got to come back down to reality.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 1:20 pm EST

With substantially the same roster that Torts managed to run into the ground in just one season, AV gave on average 9:00 to his 4th line and 12:00 to his third. Torts liked to give a couple 4th liners (with a forward from a better line double-shifting) 4:00 and his third line about 9:00. That is a dramatic difference. This season has been a little different, but so has been the makeup of the fourth line. Moore is the most regular member, but he also spent time on the top three. The wingers (over just 28 games) have been Fast, Miller, Stempniak, Mueller, Glass, Malone....am I leaving anyone out?

Messier11


Thu Dec 11 2014 12:32 pm EST

td -- I agree that AV wants to be a 4-line coach but I think he has basically been a 2-line coach so far this season. Yes, every line gets on the ice but the top-6 are getting 17-20 minutes while the 3rd & 4th line players split the rest. He has been giving the lion's share of icetime to the top 6 because he has not been able to get consistent production from the bottom 6. RR -- Kreider didn't intentionally run into the MTL goalie so it's hard to give him credit for that. If you think he did it on purpose, then he you must agree with the penalty he received. But I do agree that it helped us win that series...no doubt about it.

JFC31


Thu Dec 11 2014 12:00 pm EST

TD, the only person dying to lump Miller with Kreider is you.There is no comparison otherwise. kreider has lit up the NHL playoffs, wrecked an opposition goalie in another playoff (and may have won us the series in doing so) scored 17 goals in a season (shortened by injury). Miller hasn't been able to play 17 games without a demotion. And Kreider wasnt scratched subjectively as if it were the coaches call. He's hurt. Or he was. now knock it off. Miller should be on the 4th and is a disappointment for a no. 1 pick until I say otherwise.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 11:17 am EST

The other thing is AV ain't Tortorella...He plays a three, sometimes four line game, rather than riding two lines for 20-plus minutes a game...Even if Miller does start on a line with Step and MSL, I bet he ends up with similar minutes as Kreider...doubt Kreids gets scratched for a second game.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 11:09 am EST

RF4L/RR - I'm not sure why this MILLER-KREIDER thing is being billed as some sort of competition. They're two dynamically different players that each brings something to the table any NHL team would want...the only similarities between the two is that they're USNDTP products, they're both extremely talented and they both at their best when playing a physical game.products of the US program...The way I see and have always seen them is sort of the Rangers' version of RICHARDS-CARTER...I don't think anyone in the Rangers' front office would seriously consider trading either unless it was a deal too good to be true...and by that, I mean a franchise player coming back the other way...we're talking a guy approaching or at his prime who can basically come in at a lower cap hit and be an explosive force...the only ones coming to mind right now on a franchise that is losing would be some of Coloardo's young guns... Matt DUCHENE, LANDESKOG or McKINNON...Or maybe Erik KARLSSON from the Sens...EKMAN-LARSSON with the Yotes..maybe a combo deal that would bring FALK and SKINNER from the Canes...and pie in the sky, SEGUIN from the Stars...I don't seriously believe any of these players are in play...but I also don't think either Miller or Kreider are serious candidates to be moved. They're the future of this team's offense.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 10:42 am EST

Why we trading Kreider? Oh, cause he had a slump. Blasphemy. But speaking of deals, its a little over 2 months till the deadline. If you wait & make a move and it doesn't work out, you're screwed. I'd like to see them do something soon, leave themselves time for another move closer to the deadline. This team needs a few things.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 10:29 am EST

Hey, just saying, if NYR think they can not only return to the SCFs but win it with Hayes as a 3rd center, it could be troublesome. Not that the kid's not a good, improving player. But is he good enough now-by April? We're really going to give the puck away off face off an that much in the playoffs? Between him & Stepan's FOs right now well lose in the first round lol. Yeah, always liked Vinny. He'd be cheap, cost basically nothing. Doubt we can get Handzel, don't really want a Joe Thorton. we just gonna stand pat? Need some backup at a minimum imo. VC also played wit MSL for years, you could get something out of him.mwhat halfway decent center is out there otherwise? Idk.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 10:21 am EST

Internal competition is one of the keys to a successful team....young guys pushing older guys, young guys pushing other young guys....sometimes guys have to feel a bit insecure about icetime in order to bring out their best. I think complacency has been a problem somewhat this year....icetime being inherited instead of earned. That needs to stop. Competition is good.

JFC31


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:54 am EST

RR: Stewart can not go to Hartford without clearing wavers which is highly unlikely. If Boyle was too pricey for the fourth line(a case I disagree with) then Stewart at 4M is too steep a cap hit for a bottom six player with four assists.

gene_carr


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:42 am EST

Klein gives us a good third pair, he does not make Staal expendable. Even with Girardi, McD, Staal, Klein we are still giving up too many shots on Hank. Subtract Staal from the equation and Hank is facing 40+ on nightly basis

Messier11


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:24 am EST

why move kid k? maybe this will be his wakeup call again. every player runs into confidence problems. talk about trading a guy who can come back to haunt and regret.....for what picks? or jumbo joe t ?......sather doesn't suck that much......I would think he's on his will not trade list......

stevielegs


Thu Dec 11 2014 9:06 am EST

TD: I got my fingers crossed that Jitters takes this opportunity and runs with it, as it appears he just might be doing. This is a fabulous opportunity for him and who cares it's at Kreider's expense. That's Kreider's problem. And if he does run with it, it only helps the Rangers overall and perhaps creates a positive trading situation for Sather. I say that not advocating moving Kreider, but you never know what's out there. If Kreider is moved, the player/package coming back has to be significant.

RF4L


Thu Dec 11 2014 8:38 am EST

Agreed on Vinnie, but then again if the Flyers are willing to toss in some draft picks, too, then....

RF4L


Thu Dec 11 2014 8:13 am EST

Rabid VL? that is a waste of time. Talk about wanting names after they are done. This guy is being scratched by one of the worst teams in the league. I wouldn't give up dancing Larry for him at this point, well maybe dancing Larry he annoys me........Klein is really coming into hos own. You can see his confidence building and he is solid in his own end and he's stepping up offensively now. Right now that deal is a steal for sather he's helped settle down Jmoore and I really like what he's doing hope it continues.....schneid over the summer I said Nash would score 50 this year he has a lot to prove and I think part of the problem is in CLB he was the go to guy he was the everything and he carried that burden here he kind of blended in big names big city and his play showed but now he's got that chip back and wants the puck and wants to carry the team and that's the Nash that dominates. Hope he brings that come playoffs

York18


Thu Dec 11 2014 8:13 am EST

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b2d2bf8647a34fccba3eb3c350084461/some-nhls-top-enforcers?utm_campaign=AP_Sports&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_medium=Twitter

stevielegs


Thu Dec 11 2014 8:12 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2014/12/11/rangers-prospect-report-dec-1-7/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

stevielegs


Thu Dec 11 2014 7:52 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/11/kreiders-struggles-gives-this-rangers-youngster-another-shot/

stevielegs


Thu Dec 11 2014 5:39 am EST

Agree on Klein. The man has stepped it up big time. Maybe even makes Staal expendable. Not so much on Vinny though. I think the dude is done. he used to disappear when he was in his prime. He seems to have disappeared permanently.

Bob


Thu Dec 11 2014 3:40 am EST

Gotta think Vinny has something left under optimum circumstances. Id italicise something if I could. French canadien coach here, spot him in & out As needed. One thing I always liked is Vinny can play with an edge. He sticks up for himself & his team. Another thing is we dont have backup for Dom Moore. (Spare me on the JT, OK?) You know I think Lindberg steps right in, but say he couldnt? Then what? At least VC is a big body that bats higher than 30% on draws. You also cant entirely judge by disfunctional Philly& he had injuries. Vc was ALWAYS better than Richards, who you think is still so useful. And itcwasnt that long ago, in TB his last year he was playing very well, had a hot start. Im mean, if hes basically FREE, whatve you got to lose? A 5th rounder? I dont care if Vinny centers Malone in Htfd. Id like the insurance. The Hayes thing is dicey, if they dont make any deals, this is cheap insurance. But the guy's got a ring (we dont have alot. 2 I think). He was a great player. Wouldnt shock me he made a huge play in the POs.So its not illogical no matter how quick you look to argue with me.cause its do something like this, which Id prefer over Stewart, or have to move a big piece out likely for a prime time player. dont know theres the perfect prospects for proven deal out there. Unless youd prefer JT4JT....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 11 2014 3:20 am EST

MelvilleFred - There's no bigger fan of HAGGERTY on this site than me and I wish I could say to you he belongs in the NHL...but that just doesn't match the reality...He's adjusting to the pro game and that doesn't come without a few hiccups...he's playing solid down in Hartford, but not in a manner I'd advocate for a call-up...FAST is a lot more suited for the fourth-line assignment...and TBH, I think he's played really well up here...His game is quiet because he's on a line that doesn't produce much offense...And frankly, if there's a guy who deserves a chance on the top three who is not named MILLER, it's Fast. I'd love to see him with HAGS and HAYES instead of STEMPNIAK...As for Haggerty, let him get more of a mastery of the AHL...he's not far off, but I'm kind of doubtful at this point we'll see him in the NHL this year unless something disastrous happens.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 3:13 am EST

RR - LECAVALIER? Really?!? Did you watch those games against the Flyers? There's a reason why they suck and are trying to get rid of him and it ain't because he's still got it. VL took a nose dive off the deep end of the last days of his career. If you couldn't stomach RICHARDS, then VL will make you feel like you're chewing on your lower intestine.

tdchi


Thu Dec 11 2014 12:10 am EST

If we stay with Hayes and dont deal for a big center like Handzel or Thorton, but just want some pro insurance for that spot, the Flyers have scratched Lecavalier 5 games straight. He wants out, theyre trying to give him away, has 3 years remaining but seems to leaking how he'll retire after next year & forego last years. 6-4 & good on draws, maybe not bad if he wants to be a P/T player. Always thought Vinny would land here eventually. Hes only main TB guy who hasnt!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:11 pm EST

Rabid....agreed.

MelvilleFred


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:17 pm EST

People complained about losing Stralman. I wasnt too happy myself. But Klein stepping up like this, not just the goals but everything, it goes a long way towards making the D whole again. 3rd pair so less TOI still for Klein, but if Boyle & McD pick it up we're ok.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 9:44 pm EST

Love the way Nash and my other guy Klein are playing. Two definite bright spots. I think back to this summer and every other post was a trade that included Klein and Nash for a bag of pucks. LOL! The guy I want up from Hartford is Haggerty....he'd be perfect for the 4th line instead of that slug Jesper Fast...not a fan of his.

MelvilleFred


Wed Dec 10 2014 9:38 pm EST

What asshole made up this schedule?! 1 game then 6 days off for 2 weeks in a row, then a trip to Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary and finishing up in Carolina?!

MelvilleFred


Wed Dec 10 2014 8:35 pm EST

Schneid, Nash has been unbelievable. Not just the goals, he's so dogged on the puck, he takes it personally if someone has it, or especially takes it from him. And he's scoring every way you can; slot goals, breakaways, a few garbage goals. I can't believe how much quicker he looks. It makes all the difference in his game, cause those moves don't look so predictable now, do they? Lol. He scored a breakaway backhand against Mtl, it was almost funny how he looked stealing the puck. And a great backhand finish from 20 feet out.I'd love to know why he's not on the PP....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 8:28 pm EST

NYR state of the union- hard to believe Kreider only has 4 goals... its inexplicable with his skill size and strength... Just getting aroundt to watching PITT game and McDonough is playing terribly since coming back... also hard to believe... what is even more unreal, the season Rick Nash is having and how little discussion it creates on the wall.... incredible on so many levels

schneidw


Wed Dec 10 2014 8:19 pm EST

Trade freeze is Dec. 19th. World renowed rumor-monger Eklund (hahaha) says Rangers among teams interested in Chris Stewart, recently a healthy scratch. Have to say, when I saw someone (TD?) post his stats the other day, something like 4 assists in 32 games, that is sucking on an incredible level (with regular playing time). Its almost hard to not have the puck bounce off you for a few more points, so I wouldn't know WTH to expect. The guy's head must be a mess, for one thing. To go from scoring 20-30 goals to the fringes of the NHL, that'd be a project player. Same time, big dude, not old, can score or could once, and he can rumble. I wouldn't be adverse if the price is right, something like Bourque and a pick. But I might send him to Hartford for a few months before he comes near this team.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 7:40 pm EST

Hayes is batting around 32% on FOs at home, 30% on the road. That's not gonna cut it. It's one of those weird Ranger circumstances. We get him as a FA, a 6-5 forward with good hands who can really think the game, good instincts, all that. But he's not quick so he doesnt fit the team concept, and he's not real physical despite his size. Then the NYR want to force into being a center because big centers are so valuable, but they're also contending, so the kid's got to get up to speed on a new position & new responsibilities fast. I give Hayes credit, he's got 10 pts in 21 games, all at even strength. I'm sure he'd have a few more with some PP time. The other thing I like about him is he seems to have a pretty good shot when he lets it fly. Final analysis for me, he's a good young player any team would like to have. Where we are in terms of striving for a Cup shouldn't determine this kid's future here (and he does belong here, not Hartford). Same time,the Rangers badly need production from their 3rd line, depth is one of their big advantages over many teams. So will Hayes be the straw that stirs the drink? Idk. Trades arent all theyre cracked up to be sometimes. I'm also not sure at all Lindberg isn't a better player than Hayes. But Hayes is the one here. And abysmal faceoff #'s or not, I guess as long was he's a serviceable 3rd liner and improving, we could do worse. The kid is very adept & difficult to take the hockey puck from 1-on-1. That's usually the mark of a real good player.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 5:40 pm EST

Jfc what you want Hayes to do on draws would be considered interference by today's rules and why no one does it any more not to mention the lines force you to be a little wider and your body further off the faceoff dot then back in the old days where guys were virtually bumping helmets at the faceoff. Now you would be forced to skate forward to tie up the stick from a wider stance which is why it's not done any more

York18


Wed Dec 10 2014 5:34 pm EST

I wrote a long drawn out post about faceoffs a little over a month ago here is why teaching doesnt work quick version. Faceoffs were once skilled based tie ups, foot work, angles etc. Now with the lines it's just reflex who reads the drip faster and who gets the puck from the bounce faster. The days of lifting and tying up the stick spinning and kicking the puck back is over. Guys who were just dominant forces in the old days would not be putting up the same percentages today. You could bring in the top teacher and I would bet they increase said players percentage by a few percent due to just doing the reps.

York18


Wed Dec 10 2014 5:16 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord J.T. Miller was on the second power play unit along with Zuccarello and Stempniak, McDonagh and Girardi.

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 4:48 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello @rangersreport Kreider skating at practice today, according to Zip, et al.

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 4:47 pm EST

.....might be better if he stays for a week......

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 4:47 pm EST

#NYR head coach Alain Vigneault not at practice today..is attending Jean Beliveau's funeral Rick Carpiniello @rangersreport

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 4:33 pm EST

"or when he tried to take on the entire Flyers team (including the equipment Manager) during their long streak"... Yes, that brought a real smile to my face today - Thanks for the memory!

Ranger47


Wed Dec 10 2014 3:55 pm EST

Ranger47 - Ah, my man Boxcar Hospodar (great name too!),,Remember the brawl against the KINGS in the 81 POs?...or when he tried to take on the entire Flyers team (including the equipment Manager) during their long streak.?...Then there was his nut job move as a Flyer going after Lemieux before the PO game...Not the greatest figthter in the world but Definitely not boring!

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 3:35 pm EST

Yes - I liked Hospodar back then as well.....

Ranger47


Wed Dec 10 2014 3:23 pm EST

Ranger47 - yep, one of my Ranger faves until he got destroyed by GILLIES and then became a scumbag Flyer..But I still like watching him, the nut job...

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 3:17 pm EST

Hospo: Did you choose your name because of Ed Hospodar from years ago (if I have that right)?

Ranger47


Wed Dec 10 2014 3:00 pm EST

We need shooters. Willing & accurate ones. Nash isnt even on 1st unit. Idk what AV is doing sometimes. Bur we've got playmakers a plenty.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 2:54 pm EST

Ranger47 - I really haven't seen that with Hayes..Where i think he excls is in moving with the puck and in transitions...not as much set plays in th O-zone..I do agree the his big body would be great to have in front of the net..I just haven't sen him want to do that..and also wonder if he's strong enough..I know he will be that player one day, jusgt not sure about this year

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 2:12 pm EST

Until the PP has a righty shot left side you cant shoot off the pass. You wanna kill Sather on something, kill him on that, cause we havent had it since Shanahan. Step never took to it, theyve been trying Stemp who once was a good PP scorer. Once.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 2:09 pm EST

While it will never happen, I think Hayes would be excellent on the PP. He's shown great ability to manage the puck in the O zone including keeping and retaking the puck when one on one. Moreover, his big body in front of the net as well as his good hand skills would be trouble for the goalie. JMHO.

Ranger47


Wed Dec 10 2014 1:54 pm EST

until the pp learns how to make cross ice passes and shoot off that pass, they will struggle. and guys have to go to the front. they really need to SHOOT THE PUCK.....stop looking for the perfect pass, lane , shot........SHOOT, but not into the other team player 30 feet out, and give up a shorty......I've seen enough of ah-kneel's pp....he's pearn and sully version 3.......

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 1:45 pm EST

I do not know if this was addressed on the wall and I'm too lazy to backcheck. Why wasn't Nash on the ice in the OT against the Pens? 6 shifts NO NASH! Is he hurt or was AV sending a message?? I was confused then and just remembered it now.

DCIGolfer


Wed Dec 10 2014 1:43 pm EST

You're right on the PP, RF. Waaaaay too fine, all the time. Even with Boyle, an experienced hand, they spend 45 secs setting up a shot. I know the lanes arent there like us watching on TV might think, and thus thats why a guy isnt firing. But Ive always believed the best way to get them moving is to shoot, break their box and score off scrambles. If the goal was to score dirty rather than tic-tac-toe, and they were aggressive, we'd see the PP number skyrocket. because we have some great improv players, they'd excel off of broken plays. But not if you waste too much time and only get 1-2 shots per.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 1:19 pm EST

RF4L - I guess I see some of that too, but I also see too much PUCK movement or over passing at times with the bottom line of the puck being kept to the outside/perimiter where there is little chance of scoring unless we have the PLAYERS moving to the net/crease to cause traffic and vision problems.

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 12:47 pm EST

Hospo: It sure seems to me that when the PP sucks it's because there's no movement. The players stand there and watch the guy with the puck, which, in turns, allows the PK box to remain static. Successful PPs have at least 2 and sometimes 4 players in motion, including the guy with the puck. That breaks down the box and creates passing/shooting lanes. It's so fundamental it boggles my mind how frequently the Rangers PP stands around.

RF4L


Wed Dec 10 2014 12:33 pm EST

York, you asked do they look like a contender right now; well depends, which period? ;) That is of course the problem. They'll get more consistent I'm confident. These little breakdowns have been killing them.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 12:01 pm EST

RF4L - How bout the PP's againt Det on Saturday night..EVERYTHING to the outside...I understand the puck movement but sometimes you just gotta get into the slot and crease and not take shots from the end line!

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:59 am EST

WILD - Until they start crashing the net and looking for some dirty goals along with the pretty set-ups and puck movement of the 1st unit, they aren't going to succeed consistently...The best player we have at that is KREIDER, but not so much this year,,,

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:56 am EST

Part of the PP issue is with the coaches. For example, against Pittsburgh that useless 4 minute PP carried over to the next period and who was on the bench when it started? Rick Nash. WTF sort of decision making is that??

RF4L


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:51 am EST

Want to know the issue with the PP for this team. The 2nd unit has Zucc (who has been really bad offensively so far this year) and Stemp (who hasn't had a PP goal in over 100 games including all of last season) Miller is with that group now, and that may help, but why not Hayes on that PP unit? Put him there in place of Stemp or Zucc. I would say Stemp because Zucc can pass the puck, and he has a better shot of getting something going than Stemp. Hell pull both Stemp and Zucc off and put Hayes and Kreider out there, or Hayes and hags out there...do something anything to try and bring that second unit up to par.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:49 am EST

God, even for me that was bad!

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:48 am EST

WILDCARD - I like Hayes in the offnesive zone and in ttransition and, you are tright, he has centetr written all over him,,,,,,But, Like Jesus Miller, where he struggles is at the FO circle and too often standing still and doing nothing (becasue unsire of the right decision?) in the defensive..But again, you are right, these are normal weaknesses for learning youngsers...The question will be, later in the season, will the Rangers be able to carry multiple players like this rather then aquiring a solid vet for down th stretch and in the POs...The movemant of MILLLER to WING, where he should stay ALL YEAR, ia slso a good stem...He looks to have more confidence and can "just play"

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:44 am EST

Who says, besides the Rangers, that Hayes has to be a center? AFAIC, nothing more than the fact that center ice is arguably the Rangers weakest position organizationally is the primary Hayes is learning to the position, at the NHL level. FWIW I concur with LB's take on Hayes so far (and wonder if it's more proof he reads this wall - lol) - his FO record is woeful and he's generating precious few offensive chances. All that said, I concur there's notable progress in his game (although he started at the very bottom) and will reiterate my belief that he'll be bounced before the deadline (from the position) if that progress levels out soon. He is one of the reasons this team is in a non-PO spot right now. Of course, he's not the biggest or sole reason and it's not his fault, but a cup contender 3rd line center he's not at this point. JMHO...

RF4L


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:33 am EST

td: i know its your dream to have Miller at center and Hayes at wing...but AV doesn't see Hayes as a wing...nor does anyone else within the hockey world it seems. Everyone seems to see him as a center. As for the defensive zone coverage...ummm....if the other teams center is near the wing, so goes the Rangers center....all of them do that. Maybe immersing something, but he hasn't been the case of many defensive breakdowns....sure he has been burned some, but every rookie has that problem. He is a center, he played like a center IMHO, you sell him short, he looks like a center moving up and down the ice. He is smart and skilled, and he is getting better all the time. Face-offs are about the only really bad area of his game.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:30 am EST

TDCHI - Reflexes are key in FOs but so is strength because alot of the time the reflexes are equal and it's a stalemate----the stronger guy/stick often wins in the skirmish,......JFC/RF4L - All summer long I was railing about the potential FO inability of the Rangers and how it would lead to lost points and lost games...And that was before the total clueless (on FO) Hayes...Thank God for Dom Moore and Brassard seems to be progressing also.But another C my very well be needed later in the season and in the POs..Gotta look ahead to what it will take to WIN THIS YEAR...Have no problem dealing any of the kids and their potential to make this a better, more complete team NOW.but.has to make sense..Or you keep the kids and deal some of the skill/finesse for missing ingrediets...We'll see if it's still needed in a few months.

Hospo


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:23 am EST

Said it before: Faceoffs are largely a factor of reflexes these days. You could bring the top faceoff man in the history of the modern NHL and have both STEP and HAYES work with him all season and I don't think their percentage of wins would go up more than a point or two...which is yet another reason to move Hayes over to wing...but whatever. We can chase this dream of having a 6'5 power center for the rest of the winter as long as AV pulls his head out of his ass before the trade deadline.

tdchi


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:20 am EST

Wildcard - Again, I'm still failing to see why anyone would advocate for HAYES to be this team's third-line center...and learn on the job nonetheless...First of all..even excluding his woes in the FO circle...the guy PLAYS like a wing! While he's not horribly out of position...every time I looked up Monday, the guy was drifting over to where the wing should be positioned...So we got a kid not comfortable where he is....not able to take faceoffs...which means that you basically have to have Dom MOORE out there whenever there's a crucial draw...and therefore messing up the flow of the lines...yeah, that's a recipe for disaster...and the only reason it HASN'T been a disaster is because Hayes is a VERY talented player.

tdchi


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:18 am EST

Whoever is brought in to teach Hayes how to win FOs should also spend time with Derek Stepan....

RF4L


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:16 am EST

WILDCARD and JFC: It isn't just HAYES that needs some help on draws. This was at the bottom of BROOKS' artcile....................."Hayes isn’t the only center with critical faceoff issues. A year ago, Derek Stepan, who took the eighth most draws in the NHL (1,512), finished 56th among the 57 centers who took at least 1,000 faceoffs at 45.2 percent efficiency. This season, Stepan is at 43.5 percent (117-of-269), 81st among the 84 centers who have taken at least 250 faceoffs. The Rangers — with Derek Brassard nearly break-even at 49.6 percent (239-of-482) — are 15th in the East and 28th in the NHL at 46.6 percent, ahead of the Flames (46.2) and Sabres (42.2)."

Vic


Wed Dec 10 2014 11:04 am EST

Jeez Louise....it seems like learning how to win faceoffs should be one of the most teachable things out there.....and the only way to get better is through repetition. We ABSOLUTELY should have a faceoff master working with HAyes...preferrable a guy who was fairly big. A short, skilled center who has lightning fast hands is not gonna teach the techniques that suite HAyes' stature. He should be taught how to box out, use his skate to kuick the puck back, go after a quicker center's stick rather than the puck, etc.....all the tricks of the trade. HAyes has a great ability to stick out his butt and shield the puck from defenders....he could use that ability inj the faceoff circle too...a quick pivot, pick off the opposing center, kick the puck back. Whatever it takes, a faceoff coach would be a great investment....then the rest would be up to Hayes staying late after practices and practicing....hell, faceoffs can be practiced off ice with a shooting pad.

JFC31


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:58 am EST

So we have any games before christmas or what?

Ola


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:54 am EST

Vic: As you point out there so well, Hayes is doing fine, better than fine, in every place save face-offs....and how many rookies really do all that great in the circle? I know they exist, but they are rare. On top of that, he will get better there just from getting beat, I am sure he is smart enough to know how he gets beat, its just learning to win more. Really, they need to go find a retired face-off guy, bring him in to consult with the centers. Help them get better, tell the centers they need 1 hour extra on practice days, after before, that they will go out not he ice and just practice draws, over and over and over, bring in other retired centers for "consulting" just to be a different guy taking draws...make it a priority. More face-offs wins mean more possession, and with possession this team is deadly.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:51 am EST

Funny reading the don't trade the future for now posts, especially considering the cost of acquiring MSL. As surely most of you know, I'm was against that trade and still think it was dumb and therefore, am against similar moves now. However, if you realistically believe this team has a legitimate shot at winning a cup, it's contradictory to me to be against any move that would increase their cup chances. That said, having reasonably talented youth in the system is now essential to maintaining a competitive level because in the cap era that exists today you cannot afford to fill the bottom 1/3 to 1/2 of your roster with UFAs (unless you wanna sign slugs which defeats the purpose).

RF4L


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:33 am EST

JFC: Methinks you're misreading those who are suggesting Duclair belongs in junior. For me, it's his lack of playing time - he's been pressboxed for a third of the games. I don't wanna get into another big argument/discussion about the merits of learning the pro game this way - I just think it's wrong and only an exceptional few are ready (i.e. Crosby, etc). Duclair hasn't dominated the junior level yet. This stint with Canada is a positive move by the Rangers IMO and that in itself is encouraging. I maintain if he's gonna sit 1 out of every 3 games, he needs to be returned to junior when the tourney's done.

RF4L


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:26 am EST

Well if Brooks says Hayes should be ON wing, I feel vindicated in my belief he belongs at center.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:26 am EST

I agree Hayes is coming on. He said in an interview early on he was having no problems on the offensive end what so ever, and when I heard it I believed him; he looked like a kid who was processing what he was seeing and was going to be okay. His problems are in the circle. AV is just going to have to continue spotting him. This team is a tough nut to crack; they look dominant, they look dreadful. They're having penalty problems too. With a stupid schedule & injuries throwing off their flow, the last thing they need is their momentum disrupted in-game. You can just see them stall sometimes. Right now, no, they dont have that look of a winner (TB does). But it changes in a heartbeat, and we've got oodles of talent that hasnt performed yet. But if they are going to try trading, theyd better get moving.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:12 am EST

Messier11 - I'd love HANZAL...but not for HAYES....the Brooks article says a lot of what I've been saying about the kid all a long: He belongs on the wing...Hanzal would allow AV to move Hayes where he belongs...but he's not a guy who would come cheap. Probably have to deal someone from the top six or the top four...that means ZUCC, KRIEDER, STEPAN, BRASSARD or STAAL...and dealing any one of those players just opens up more holes.

tdchi


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:03 am EST

And, speaking of HAYES....he is untouchable at any price to me. AV is going to look like a genius for his handling of HAYES. AV has kept him in the lineup and given him a chance to learn while being put in positions to succeed. He is a long way from a finished product but we are already seeing returns from that investment. HAYES scored 2 points in 6 games in October. In November he scored 5 points in 14 games. In the 3 games in December so far he has scored 3 points in 3 games. Those 3 games were against Tampa, Detroit and Pittsburgh. As of today HAYES is tied for 18th in the league in turnover ratio (he is plus 11). HAYES is averaging 12.1 minutes per game this year and has had almost no PP time at all. I expect December to be a good month for him and January to be an even better month. Understand what the Rangers have in HAYES. They have a huge, talented center of the future with outstanding hands, vision and hockey IQ. If the Rangers trade him for some stupid longshot chance at a Cup run this year we will regret it for the next 10 to 15 years as this kid becomes a star in the league. Sure, I wish he was better on draws. Sure, I wish he was a little quicker and stronger on his skates. However, to say that he is a problem on this roster is ridiculous IMHO. He has 1 less point then MZA playing in 1 less game and over 5 minutes less per game. He also doesn't play on the PP where MZA averages about 1:30 on the PP per game. HAYES has the same amount of points and the same number of games played as STEMPNIAK. STEMP has played an average of 1:21 on the PP per game. STEMP is a -5 in turnover ratio. He also compares very favorably to KREIDER (-9 turnovers), HAGS and MOORE. Consider that all of those other players have been around the NHL for at least a few years. HAYES jumped straight from college hockey and has been arguably as good or better then several other players on this roster that are getting much more ice time and opportunities on the PP. HAYES is not the problem. He isn't a problem at all and he could be a big part of the answer for this team as the season progresses, and certainly as the next several years unfold.

Vic


Wed Dec 10 2014 10:01 am EST

No way do I even entertain the idea of trading Kreider. He's still young and still trying to put everything together....as York states, it takes power forwards a bit longer. One of his problems is that he cannot seem to harness and control his own strength and speed. It's almost like he's intimidating himself. I really wish AV would be kless ideological and more a supportive coach with alot of guys....guys like Kreider, McIlrath. After Kreider got tossed for boarding that guy a month ago, his physical game has disappeared. A good, motivational coach would see the raw talent and strength of Kreider and ENCOURAGE it....AV should have gone out of his way to absolve Kreider on that hit and emphasize that he wants Kreider to be physically aggressive...ya know, like when a coach talks about certain guys who need to play "on the edge" in order to be effective? I think that describes Kreider very well....he needs to play physically and he needs to play at FULL SPEED. However, he needs to modulate both and that is not always easy for someone with his abilities in both areas. He need to play at full speed, but North-South and with a purpose, not helter skelter. He needs to hit hard and hit often, but pick huis spts a little better. Same with McIlrath...AV was wrong to disparage the last fight Wrath had....should have gone positive instead of making fun of the fight saying it was contrived. Without positive reinforcement, he ends up confusing and neutering these young players.

JFC31


Wed Dec 10 2014 9:59 am EST

Re: MALONE...Look, I was a big fan of the decision to sign him but here are the facts on the guy: 1. He's lost a step. No question about it, the guy doesn't have the giddyup he had when he played with the Pens and during the start of his tenure with the Bolts. And really the last time he had it was almost three years ago. 2. He's now 35. For a player like him, there's only one direction to go and that's down. 3. He got busted with coke. That's no minor thing. There are very few teams that are going to take the risk of inserting a guy like him into their midst and risk him falling into old habits and bringing someone with him. 4. He simply hasn't played that well with the Pack. Look, the guy is a former 20-goal scorer in the NHL. One would think he'd be lighting up the AHL, ESPECIALLY because it's a half-step slower than the NHL. But to give an idea of how pedestrian his play has been down there, I couldn't pick him out on the ice during the first game I watched him play...he just blended in with the rest of the dregs. I mean, VAIVE, who is also a large, tough forward, is playing much better than Malone...and Vaive is a guy who has only a fraction of a chance of making an appearance in the NHL...My thoughts? Put Malone through waivers all you want. No one is going to claim him...call him up if GLASS gets injured, but otherwise...there's no need...Where Malone MIGHT come in handy is down the stretch and in the playoffs, when the physical game gets dialed up...but the fact of the matter is, the guy is not that good right now...and may never be...the pre-season he had was alright...but also one that I largely attribute to the fact that he was on lines with much younger and hungrier players.

tdchi


Wed Dec 10 2014 9:42 am EST

if veenyo can get his roster and lines to stick, which is not easy since msl, mza, and hagelin have to be on separate lines. And if the players that are struggling get their confidence back, this will be a very good team. probably as good or better than last years. ....but that's a lot of ifs.......and hopefully it's all fixed by game 42.......

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 9:30 am EST

Look, we all knew that the run they went on in the playoffs was unlikely and surprising. The team came together and really was playing at the top of its game. Everything was going on all cylinders at the same time. That rarely happens. I certainly didn't EXPECT similar results this season even if the team remained completely unchanged. That would have been unrealistic. Now, add in the fact that this team is significantly different from last year's team, the fact that this team has been battling injuries since the preseason to key contributors and the fact that they clearly haven't developed overall line and team chemistry yet. Wrap all of those wonderful things up with the fact that McDONAGH, KREIDER, MZA and HANK have not played well and it really is amazing that this team is over .500 right now. All of that can change over the next few months. They are healthy now. They have invested some time in young players that should be contributing more as the season goes on. That said my expectations are still low. I hope they make the playoffs but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't. There is no way that I look at this team right now and conclude that they are a Cup level team that only needs one or two pieces. There is no way I trade anyone under 30 on this roster and anyone under 25 is untouchable IMHO. I don't even want to see any young players in Hartford moved. That would be a colossal waste IMHO.

Vic


Wed Dec 10 2014 9:12 am EST

I have been underwhelmed by Krieder since he put that D Man into the boards and got ejected. However I am going on record and saying if we trade him we will be looking like the Canadians when they got rid of LeClair. Just my humble opinion.

DCIGolfer


Wed Dec 10 2014 8:33 am EST

A few random thoughts on current wall topics: Sather may be going for the cup this year but it is just as likely that the Rangers do not make the playoffs. As of today they are out. Buffalo wants a return for Stewart like he is a top six 30 goal player and not the poster boy for crispy creams. Stall will earn six million next year without a doubt and if the Rangers don't pay him he will be gone on the first day of free agency. Not suggesting we not go all out for the cup but the notion that it has to be while Hank is in his prime(though out of position more often than not now) fails to recognize the buzz around the two picks from last years draft. Stuff happens but it appears that when the King fades his replacements are on the shelf.

gene_carr


Wed Dec 10 2014 8:23 am EST

Rabid the problem with that thinking is does this team really look like a contender right now? I don't mortgage the future until this team as constructed shows they are more than a 500 team. One thing I will say about the core of this team is they seem to turn it up come playoff time. They find another level that they don't find during the regular season. The thing is how much of last year was av and how much was msl and his mother passing and the emotional ride they took? Say what you will Richards leadership was huge in the po's last year and seems to be missing since he has left. It's obvious cally led by example and mcD seems lost as captain and Richards and msl were the leadership and that needs to somehow be replaced. Last years team looked more like a cup team then this years to me. The only thing I have been seriously off about player wise the last two years is Kreider which is pissing me off. I pensioner him in last year for 25-30 goals and did the same this year the kid drives me nuts all the talent in the world speed size strength a shot amd a half but can't get it together. My hope with him is power forwards never start strong they mature and take time to become a force I'm hoping the same happens for Kreider.

York18


Wed Dec 10 2014 5:39 am EST

time for limburger?...already have muenster.. put purple hayes on wing? ..."..It will be up to Vigneault to choose his scratch from among Kreider, who has not played well for a stretch; J.T. Miller, who scored against Pittsburgh for his second goal in three games since his recall while assuming Kreider’s spot at left wing on the line with Derek Stepan and St. Louis; Jesper Fast, whose game without the puck has strong appeal to Vigneault; Tanner Glass, who hasn’t been a heathy scratch yet and who is a Vigneault favorite; and Lee Stempniak, the right-handed shot with whom Vigneault seems smitten. The third line, which for the last three games has consisted of Kevin Hayes between Carl Hagelin and Stempniak, has yet to carve out an identity. Hayes, who scored against the Penguins on a power move to the net on a two-on-one in which he did not give the puck to a wide-open Nash, is probably more suited at this stage of his career to play right wing. The Rangers want the 6-foot-5, 22-year-old rookie out of Boston College to develop into the matchup center who could go against, say, a Jaret Stoll, but Hayes at the moment is not a prototypical center. He is neither a puck dispatcher who creates for his wingers nor is he capable at the faceoff dots after spending the final two years at BC on the wing. Indeed, Vigneault is coaching around Hayes because of the faceoff issue. Monday, he was replaced on a number of third-period shifts by Dominic Moore, the only Rangers center who has won at least half of his draws. (54.5 percent). Hayes’ numbers at the dots are horrific: 63 wins on 199 tries (31.7 percent), which ranks him 160th of the 161 players who have taken at least 161 draws. Sabres rookie Sam Reinhart (24.4 percent, 21-of-86) is the only one worse. But the Rangers don’t have another center. This is a recording. Yes, they could go back to Miller, but this is not the time for him to move to another place, not with the 21-year-old seemingly finding his game on the wing. If another center is coming, it would be down the line in a trade. Good luck with that, given the Rangers’ limited cap space and the unbalanced demand and supply at that position." ....http://nypost.com/2014/12/10/the-rangers-roster-shakeup-after-perfect-duclair-solution/

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 5:14 am EST

"The decision whether to recall Duclair to New York at the tournament’s conclusion or return him to the QMJHL Quebec Ramparts for the duration of the season likely will be deferred. If Duclair is sent back to junior, the winger would effectively be lost to the Rangers until 2015-16, because the Ramparts will host the Memorial Cup, which will not end until May 31."......http://nypost.com/2014/12/10/the-rangers-roster-shakeup-after-perfect-duclair-solution/

stevielegs


Wed Dec 10 2014 2:30 am EST

Sounds like we're catching a cap break, 5M bump. Otherwise tough to keep guys if they have a good year, like Puliot. To clarify, you cant make crazy trades cause naturally no guarantee you win Cup. But if I could Id trade the WolfPack & throw in a few no. 1's. It is that fleeting.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 2:17 am EST

I don't think Boyle or MSL leave after this season. I just hope we can also keep Staal and MZA. Hunwick and Stemp will be hard to hang on to, the way they're playing.

Messier11


Wed Dec 10 2014 2:08 am EST

Oh Im not worrying about winning a long term trade but a short term Cup, like now. Id clean out the cupboard to nab it this year, before King is 33, before Nash has to make it thru another season & playoffs, etc. Boyle gone next year, more turnover.... Its not going to take that anyway, and our NHL team is so young I wouldnt think it otherwise. But this year if we got a shot Id sell my soul.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 1:21 am EST

I like Hanzal, think he'd be a good third-line C for us, but I think Hayes+ or even just Hayes straight up is risky for a guy who is almost 28 years old and has yet to crack 40 points in a season.

Messier11


Wed Dec 10 2014 12:50 am EST

Yeah but we cant even get everybody on the ice, once. Things can change quick, but feelin like we might need help. Snd Peron is no answer on his own. We need a different look. AVs soft & speedy anit doin it for me Thats why first choice Id bang down Malony's door for Handzel. If he wants Hayes as part of it, adios. And Im liking Hayes, but not for this year, SCF return. And wtf was Brsssard last night? He dress?

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 10 2014 12:32 am EST

Honestly, since Stepan is producing at PPG rate post injury, I don't think we lack for a position. Just need from Kreider, MZA, McDonagh what we got last season, for everyone to stay healthy, and Hank to be on top again.

Messier11


Wed Dec 10 2014 12:24 am EST

If Peron went to CBJs it wouldnt be for AA as was rumoured. Last I heard Artie was out for months. Maybe for Atkison, who is a nice little player. From the Rangers Id think John Moore goes a long way toward getting Perron, especially cause youd pick up $3m in the deal. But it could be a big mistake dealing Moore (I wouldnt right now), and more over, where would Peron play? If Nash-Kreider are still 1-2@ LW, Hags could play RW and Peron in for Stemp. But is that the big upgrade? Thats the problem I see with them msking a move. You get a center what fo you do with Hayes? He certainly deserve to get cut. I can see them caught in between and ultimately not good enough.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:29 pm EST

Edmonton doesn't want prospects. Perron would cost roster player(s), ideally for them of the same position in which we ourselves are thin (first-line center, top-four D). I don't see us making a trade for Perron where we come out ahead. Besides, something like 5 other teams interested. I think he goes CBJ.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:20 pm EST

And btw, before I forget, who the F&#9733;CK made this schedule? No wonder they cant find a groove. I cant even remember when to watch. Its like 5 in 7 then a week off.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 10:35 pm EST

Cannon fodder lol. Tocchet. Now theres a guy I wanted here forever. We never quite obtain that nasty guy that can score. As long as we need one - and we do - a guy like Malone has to be an option IF hes healthy & going. He looked good in camp with Miller, thought we had a little chemistry there. Foot speed isnt everything eith. But to this coach it is. I wouldnt be shocked if went after Perron. He's a ballbreaker that could wake this team up. Righty LW, skilled. Wouldnt shock me. Expensive though.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 10:26 pm EST

the idea of Malone sounds good. Functionally, it seems that he just couldn't cut it. He's old, has lost a step, struggling at the AHL level. Just let it go. This is like our would-be Arnott signing. Would it have been great a decade ago? Sure. In scrimmages today? knee couldn't be medically cleared. I'd be kind of excited to read 'Rangers sign Tocchet'. But that's the article I should have been reading in 1997, not 2014. Maybe he can be playoff cannon fodder, but on a night-to-night basis he is going to slow down every line we have, even one with Glass on it.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 10:25 pm EST

Who's "they"? Well they are in one case a WolfPack season ticket holder from the getgo and others for some time or just goto almost every game. They talk before during and after games to many fans. They say that Malone can't keep up with the play, can't overpower anyone with any size and is as one guy put it "a total waste of a roster spot". So according to at least one person on this wall, the Rangers and 29 other teams have missed the boat and apparently a bunch of fans in Hadtford have as well. Sure I bet some fans like him and even see an NHL future for him...but I didn't see it when he played and apparently neither did AV, Sather or any other GM.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 10:17 pm EST

Could be Mess; that was the end result. Why dont you like Malone? Pretty good player at one time ( 3-4 years ago). Havent seen him play for a few months now. No idea if hed help....but Id like to find out.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:54 pm EST

seems to me like 30 teams were agreeing that Malone didn't belong in the NHL, no matter at what salary he was available

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:49 pm EST

I was real surprised we didnt lose Malone on waivers. Mightve just been a bad time for other teans so early, they had their own housekeeping to do. If he shows life in Htfd he'll be back in the league, hes a rare combo. If hes not wanted here he'll request a trade....if he plays well.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:39 pm EST

and R.I.P. Pugsley.....

mf


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:10 pm EST

Good question.. I don't claim to know the answer to that question, however I'll say shortsightedness on the part of quite a few teams..

mf


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:53 pm EST

Why didn't anyone claim Malone when we waived him? His contract is very cap friendly

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:51 pm EST

AV said specifically that he doesn't think its best for a kid to be playing every night, and that a good portion of the learning process is off the ice.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:47 pm EST

Bag Balm SLegs: Get your lingo straight

mf


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:42 pm EST

jfc the nyr rush kid story should be stopped. there are few that it has helped.....let they kid's body and mind grow from nature, not by being pushed thru a funnel.......he can be back at the end of the season, if the nyr are that desperate.....I sure hope not.... there are plenty of guys in Hartford if they need help......

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:35 pm EST

Moof the farmers almanac? Do you know old McDonald ? What university did you go to puck u or. Vaseline u and you slid right thru? ... Got milk ?

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:32 pm EST

stevie -- I think going tomWJC will be good for him....top competition and hopefully lots of icetime. I have no problem with that decision....when I say that folks are being dismissive, I mean thatnmanynare acting like he had his fifteen minutes of fame and now he can get lost....I'm exaggerating, of course, but I think he's being dismissed out of hand instead of the possibility that he could be valuable to this team if he comes back to the Rangers rather than Jrs.

JFC31


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:27 pm EST

OH, and one other thing WildCard; I looked in the Farmers Almanc, there's no such thing as a, "puck month!" :-)

mf


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:26 pm EST

Really now? They don't want Malone down there, well who is, "they?" At this stage of his career, I doubt Malone wants to be down there, and doubt that he needs an AHL conditioning assignment. I am quite sure there are teams in the league that would gladly take a chance on Malone, I would and we have him.... Now with DuClaw where I'm glad that he is, we are down to 13 forwards which includes analyzing Stempniaks abilities, Tanner Glass with his "37" career assists, a rookie in Jesper Fast, JT Miller once again trying for the Brass Ring, Kid K who's in a bit of a funk, & The Mighty Zucc who seems to be in a rut or playing with an undisclosed injury... Point is we have plenty of room for Malone & DuClaws Cap Space is all we need to make it work...... I really like our line-up, but I like it with Malone up here.. For the umpteenth time he brings a veteran and physical presence which we don't have & which many here pine for...

mf


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:20 pm EST

why do you think veenyo has been scratching him? to learn at practice?....my guess is they will decide, if they haven't already, what's best for duke éclair.....and that will be to go back to juniors......I think I read his team is automatically in the playoffs.....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:09 pm EST

Jeez, guys...why are so many here so dismissive of Anthony Duclair? I agree with Wild (big surprise, I know)....I think what he accomplished is really being undervalued and underpreciated. He had one glaring brain fart when AV move him to a different Wong position, but we he has learned and what he has done in such a short amount of time speaks volumes...especially when compared to,some other players who are 4-5 years older and STILL have their heads up,their asses half the time. His production was excellent and then he was forced out by numbers....paired with a rookie center who can't win face offs and can't keep up with his speed...after thriving with Nash, MSL....top 6. No reason to believe his stats wouldn't go right back up,if he was put in a position to better succeed....it's all about opportunity and conditions. Hey, if he can't crack AV's superb lineup combos because of the numbers, then so be it. But to talk about the kid like he's some afterthought who's time has come and gone is really harsh, IMO.

JFC31


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:44 pm EST

Even with Duclair with Team Canada, were carrying 13 forwards. Glass sits unless injury or someone is coasting. Don't even have the slot to waste on Malone.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:32 pm EST

mf: from all the reports I get. Pack fans want him gone. He isn't even doing well in the AHL. He's scoring at the same rate as Koska...so no thanks.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:29 pm EST

Stevie: no. Hopefully they get him back and insert him in the lineup. He in 6 less games and like 3-4 less minutes per night with little to no PP time only has 4 less points than Zucc who everyone seems to think is worth oh so much. Isn't a stretch to say with the same top 6 time and PP time that he wouldn't be going to the WJC. Although he isn't so great away from the puck. But he won't learn that in junior. The players are t as good and his coaches won't care about it. So he will not learn to do it for the NHL.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:26 pm EST

Breaking news from the CJC: We already have that net presence on the roster and he only costs us 700K.. His name ie RYAN MALONE..Now that DuClaw is where he belongs, let's get Malone up here..

mf


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:17 pm EST

When would the junior finals end? Hopefully the nyr figure out after the wjc he should go back to juniors and bring him back after their season is over....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 5:31 pm EST

good article on it: http://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_health_news_details.asp?news_id=33794&channel_id=159

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 5:25 pm EST

With Stewart it seems to be a recurring problem. The season he was traded from St. Louis, he showed up for training camp having lost 15 pounds, I think. I guess he gained it all back since then.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 5:09 pm EST

I was definitely interested in acquiring Stewart if the price was right, but my enthusiasm for him has dimmed somewhat when I read that he does not keep himself in good shape and is overweight. A guy with his size and playing style should have a good fat:muscle ratio, not a pot belly

JFC31


Tue Dec 9 2014 3:43 pm EST

Wildcard - Not 'very anti-Stewart'...just anti-Stewart-becoming-a-Ranger. Not unless the guy going the other direction is Tanner GLASS...even then, I think I'd rather have Glass at $1.4 million than Stewart at four bills...the guy literally makes no sense for the Rangers whatsoever. They're flush with wings...and while they could use a big body to crash the net, I'm just not convinced Stewart will ever return to where he was with St. Louis a few years back.

tdchi


Tue Dec 9 2014 3:02 pm EST

7 points and 18 games isn't bad for a rookie at this point in the season. Seems like he's doing fine with the situation.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 2:44 pm EST

Mess: If he's gonna sit for games on end, he needs to go back to junior. Counting on a 19 kid who has 1 goal in 18 games and has been pressboxed 1 out of every 3 games so far for the POs is skewed thinking IMO.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 2:44 pm EST

I don't want to see Staal go but even with the cap possibly going up to 75M its going to be very difficult to keep him if he wants 6M/yr. Stepan is an RFA and judging from his last negotiation, that's going to be a tough one. St Louis will need to take a big discount, Zucc (who I believe is more valuable than most think here) is going to get a bit more, Hagelin...the list goes on. So, if Staal will not be resigned, ship him to Dallas for Garbutt, Oleksiak and a pick and wish him well.

PatrickDiv


Tue Dec 9 2014 2:31 pm EST

I think the fact that we've held onto Duke this long strongly suggests that AV intends to keep him as an option for the playoffs

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 2:16 pm EST

RF4L -- I agree....it will be exciting to see how our kids match up against the best in the world in their age group.

JFC31


Tue Dec 9 2014 2:15 pm EST

It became o foregone conclusion last week that Duclair was going to WJC....it will be interesting to hear what AV and management declare is their intent for Duclair post-WJC. Will AV declare outright that they intend to have him return directly to the Rangers after the tourney is over? If they do, they better have a plan....if they really see him as a contributor at the NHL level THIS YEAR, are they going to open a spot for him or just keep flying by the seat of their pants in terms of how & why he merits icetime.

JFC31


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:54 pm EST

Well common sense prevails on Duclair. His presence for me will make an already interesting tourney that much more alluring. I am very curious to see how he fares against what is arguably his current true level of competition. Will he excel? Will he be pedestrian? Obviously, I'm hoping he tears the tourney up. It'll also be interesting to watch he play against Buch and Halverson (if he makes the team and plays). The Rangers could have 3 kids playing important roles for their respective clubs this tourney - nice to see.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:50 pm EST

out for a while

PJ


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:49 pm EST

RF....Agree with you on Boyle...He will have to do alot on the PP to justify putting up with his five on five play....The thing bugging me the most is the defensive play of McD....He is really bad in his own end...He was as much to blame as anyone for the Pens second goal....I know he was out for a whole but what the hell....This guy was dominant....

PJ


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:41 pm EST

So, not sure if its the case or not. Someone on twitter (one of the beat guys Zippy I think) said something about cap relief with Duclair being loaned. If thats the case than boy that will be nice, not a lot, but every little bit helps.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:40 pm EST

td: I know your very anti Stewart. HOWEVER, looking at his production on that crap team isn't quite fair. They only have 4 guys with 10 or more points...he is having his worst year by far, and I think thats part due to his fitness and part due to his situation, and the situation I think is leading to a lack of care fitness wise. Its not a fluke that he has had 2 20+ goal seasons, and in his bad seasons he had 15, 15, and 18 goals....some of those years with 3rd line minutes 5 on 5 and pp time. exactly what I would want with him in NYC. Yeah the cap is an issue, but I bet he signs for less in the offseason ESPECIALLY to get signed on with a good team that ill use him. Don't forget, he was moved DOWN the lineup in ST. louis BEFORE he started slumping there. Someone came back from injury, and even though he was playing well he got bumped, and taken off the number 1 PP. But he is faster than most seem to realize (not speed demon though) and he is a big body who doesn't avoid contact and seems to like the front of the net. Perfect for the 3rd line of the Rangers in place of Stemp IMHO. He doesn't have to score a lot, just be a presence and let Hayes and Hags do the offensive work....and get the dirty goals. thats all.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:10 pm EST

No surprise here ---> Katie Strang @KatieStrangESPN Rangers announce they are loaning rookie Anthony Duclair to Team Canada for World Juniors

tdchi


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:08 pm EST

Only saw the 3rd period and OT last night so I'm being pretty incomplete...From what I saw, the depleted Pens were the better team and the Rangers were lucky to hang on to get the initial point..But then they did the job in OT....HAYES continues to do at least one or two very good things offensively each game but I still find him lackluster both ways..However, perhaps strategically using his ice time (and taking him off for draws) might be better than sending him down like i called for previously.....Despite standing around with his thumb up his ass like the other two Ranger forwards when the Pens scored, I thought MILLER looked pretty comfortable and decent...KEEP HIM AT WING!!!......Gotta love KLEIN..I wanted him even before we traded for him (and you know how i felt about Del Zero)...It's funny, but I expected him to be better defensively this year while being only adequate on offense...It's been the opposite to me, he has shone in moving the puck and his play in the o-zone while I think his D could still be a little better...But I like him all the same..Love his attitude

Hospo


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:02 pm EST

Stemp is one of our more dangerous forwards. Should be on PK, but also PP. maybe second unit.

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 1:00 pm EST

Vic - No disagreement there. And in truth, AV uses that third line often...I do wish he'd slide STEMPNIAK off the PP...but i think his spot there is by virtue of him being a RHS...Yeah Stemp shouldn't be on third. I don't know if his game has trailed off, per se. He played pretty well last night...but with a burner like HAGS and HAYES, who is actually pretty fast himself, I think that right side is the weakest link...question is, can Kreider play the off wing?

tdchi


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:59 pm EST

Per Zip- Duke to WJC

Messier11


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:53 pm EST

Ugh...not this Chris STEWART business again...Four points in the last 32 games. If the Sabres want to let him go for a bag of dinged up pucks and the Garden's zamboni driver, fine...but IMO, he's a guy who is rife with inconsistency...and as I've iterated before...I HIGHLY suspect the reason he's not doing jack any more is that he's fat and out of shape...his ice has dropped from 17-plus minutes to 7 and change last night...he's also now being regularly considered for a healthy scratch.. Kid can throw 'em though...Still, I wouldn't waste a draft pick on this waste of a player. If the Sabres want to take a chance on some of our flotsam from Hartford...say HRIVIK...maybe...but the Rangers would probably have to clear cap space anyway to fit his $4.15 million salary under the cap.

tdchi


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:45 pm EST

MF: Nice post on Kline, he is my hero, sticking up for other Rangers... after his OT goal last night he was mad like f-the pens. Next up Hot Tuna Wednesday then DSO Jan 2015. Also looking forward to GD 50 anv. tour LOCK-N 2015.

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:38 pm EST

sorry wrong wall.....

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:37 pm EST

Wild: Suspect you'd have to be prepared to give up someone like Skeji to get Stewart. Yeah, I know over-priced but there's a reason he's not been moved yet. Buffalo doesn't want or need him and he's sure to bolt this summer if he doesn't get moved. In other words, there's a reason he's still there - the Sabres are holding out for an over-priced return and will do so, I suspect, until the deadline if they have to.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:37 pm EST

how does it compare to terrorists beheading people?......http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/world/senate-intelligence-committee-cia-torture-report.html?emc=edit_na_20141209&nlid=23627335&_r=0

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:36 pm EST

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/09/jonathan-gruber-on-hot-seat-heading-into-hearing/

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:25 pm EST

Vic: Re Stemniak: Agreed - there's a reason he's bounced from team to team to team. There's some skill there, but he's not a complete package. Without a doubt, a bottom 6 forward who can and is useful but hardly someone to build a team around!

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:10 pm EST

VIC: I feel the same way about Stemp. Sure in a pinch or of someone plays poor, or gets hurt during a game, he can move up a line and not be a train wreck. But he doesn't bring much to the 3rd line. IN fact a couple times he has not been able to keep up and his man has gotten the chance or the goal. So it wouldn't be much worse with a kid like Duclair who struggles at times defensively since it amounts to the same thing in the end, and Duclair can learn and get better there, Stemp is what he is. If Buf is giving him away for not much (and he is scratched the next game) I would offer a mid level prospect to them for Stewart. At least he brings a lot of size to a line, and if he gets his game back is a monster on the PP. I don't like the fact that he has dropped off so much, but lots of players have dropped off this year in BUF, how exciting must it be to come to the rink every day knowing you will either be traded or suffer through a terrible year losing a lot, and than walking away as a UFA to find a new home. Tough to sell out for a team in that situation....I don't blame him or any of them...at last partly. He should be better...but for a late pick and a guy who will probably not make the rangers I would take him...but I bet they ask for and will get more.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:52 am EST

One other observation that I had is regarding STEMPNIAK. After an impressive start to the year he has really dropped off. It doesn't matter what line you put him on he just seems invisible in most games. And, from what I have seen of him on the PP he isn't helping there at all. To me STEMPNIAK looks like a solid 4th liner. He should be playing with MOORE and FAST, and he should be killing penalties instead of being on the PP. STEMPNIAK's real value to this team will be in the playoffs. He is a good player who can be used in a variety of ways that will provide the Rangers with depth and balanced scoring. BUT, he isn't getting it done right now.

Vic


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:39 am EST

The reason why STAAL will be hard to replace is that the Rangers really have done a poor job in drafting NHL quality defenseman since they took STAAL and SAUER in the 2005 draft. That was almost 10 years ago. Since then only MDZ has made to the NHL as a regular and the Rangers used him to get a better player in return in KLEIN. BUT, the Rangers haven't had another young player that they drafted push his way onto the roster. McDONAGH was a steal in the GOMEZ trade and MOORE came in the GABBY trade. GIRARDI was undrafted. The Rangers have drafted 14 defensemen of their own since 2006 and only 1 (MDZ) has made it as an NHL regular player so far. Maybe some of the other recent ones will but right now that is a bad draft record.

Vic


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:33 am EST

TD: I agree with your comments on MILLER and KREIDER. IMHO both have good futures in the NHL and with this team if everyone has a little patience. There is no way I deal either player for a quick fix. I think the best plan is to use them to pressure each other. Right now MILLER is outplaying KREIDER and should be in that spot on STEPAN's line. I'd put KREIDER with HAYES right now. That should light a fire in KREIDER. If MILLER falters and KREIDER starts bringing his A game again then swap them in the lineup again or press box the one who isn't playing well for a game or so. Use them to push each other.

Vic


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:24 am EST

RR: Agreed Staal won't be easy to replace. IMO, the impact of losing him will be a double whammy if he bolts this summer. Of course, if he's not resigned before season's end and the Rangers win the cup, it's moot. That's a risky proposition, however, magnified by all those high picks Sather has jettisoned the past few drafts.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 11:07 am EST

TD: Don't disagree - thing is, Sather is pushing for a cup NOW and therefore, patience over stumbling young players may be thin. Guess we'll find out in the next few months on that.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 10:27 am EST

Not sure how this is turning into a MILLER v. KREIDER competition, but my points on Miller stand true for Kreider, which is that if you're going to turn your back on one or the other, there's a good chance you're going to end up eating your words. Both are still young...a fact that gets lost in the shuffle by virtue of both having played on the team off and on now for going on two seasons...Easy to forget how young they both are...And I think York is right: There needs to be consistency in Kreider's game...same goes for Miller...but that right there is something young players often struggle with...we see the same thing with HAYES...once it all clicks, you have a hell of a player...and if I had my druthers, BOTH Miller and Kreider would click and we'd have an awesome, home-drafted one-two punch in the lineup. Seeing both players play at their best, I don't think that scenario is far-fetched at all...the only question in my mind is where the Rangers' patience ends...I think we've seen with both that they have a fairly high degree of patience, so provided they can find consistency, we're going to be in good shape up front.

tdchi


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:58 am EST

Wild: Re Staal - if you're gonna read twitter and get wound up by what you find there, then that's your problem dude. Twitter is full of nobs who know nothing and worse, get all nasty because they do so anonymously.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:53 am EST

Staal has been playing well. He makes it look easy sometimes. Attackers let up sometimes when they see he has a grasp of the puck. And just last night I noted positioning, breaking up a few dangerous chances just skating by and reaching in. We'd be in trouble without him.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:46 am EST

RF4L: No I post plenty of stuff that isn't rosy. I just don't focus on 1 bad play and base everything on it like people did last night with Staal. He makes 20 good to great plays that you hardly even notice because, well, nothing happens, he does have to make big body movements, donsnt have to block a shot, just keeps perfect positioning forcing the likes of Crosby or Malkin to skate around behind the net and pass it off the boards to a D man after coming in with speed 2-on-2. That I can say with some certainty is NOT what top players like Crosby want out of that. He does it shift after shift after shift, but one bad idea of swatting a bouncing puck that ends up in the back of the net...and TRADE HIM! He can't play anymore!. Or the fact that somehow its a shock that Boyle isn't the greatest in the D zone, well...he NEVER has been. Already forgotten is that before he had the flu or whatever he had, he had back to back games with a PP goal. Yeah last night the PP wasn't productive, but it was also up against a really really good PK that has shut just about every PP down effectively. And for how bad he can look in the D zone he knows how to do just enough to keep an opponent from having many top quality chances. Not every Dman is going to be great in their own zone, everyone wants Chara back there on the PP point and 5 on 5, and they want 2 of him and 2 of McD on the top 4. Most teams have 1 or none of either, its the NYR fan idea that there has to be a player ripped on, because every player needs to be a top 2 Dman and a top 3 forward sort they are useless. I think there are plenty of guys who need to play better...but I am not going to sit back and pretend that MSL is slowing down due to age like some say, or Boyle should be on the bottom pair, or that Staal isn't a good Dman anymore. Just because I don't just sit back and point out all the negative, going "yeah he sucks" after someone posts some overly negative crap and I counter it with the positive side of that players game doesn't mean they don't have a negative.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:28 am EST

I have been hard on MZA this season, as some of you who have basically said I was crazy for thinking the way I do have pointed out. But to be fair, I do try to look at things in an unbiased way, he and Kraider are at the same point int heir careers NHL wise. I mean...yeah Zucc was in the NHL a couple years before KidK, but he didn't play a full NHL season until last season. Same with Kreider. They are both going through the same type of growing pains. Zucc really should be doing better, he has more pro experience, and more NHL games under his belt, but still, its a similar position. The things thats going to hurt Zucc is the fact that he as 3.5 mil is going to be a UFA, and someone will pay him 4+ if the Rangers do not keep him, that I am sure of. The problem is, do the Rangers want to keep him? He had a stretch of a season and a few games the season before where he looked like a top 6 player for sure 100%, but the rest of his NHL games he has not looked so sure fire top 6. With the other players that need signed, he may be the odd man out based on how poorly he is playing. Even when he does go out and have the attitude like he always had, it seems to be, well, not enough. He got rag dolled all over last night, he wasn't able to win battle it seems, and that is not "him". If he isn't 100% sit his ass down for a few games. This weekend would be perfect. Sit him for the two games out west, play Duclair or something. et him get healed up. If he is not hurt, move his butt down the lineup and figure out who to sit/play to improve that top 6. You can't keep chugging along hoping he will finally get it and start producing. When Kreider comes back (maybe next game) he should be on the 4th line where Miller was. Make him earn the ice time. Maybe that will get him going...put zip on the 3rd line, or something....let him know its not OK that he isn't playing up to his ability. Enough of the letting guys sit on the top lines not producing anything.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:24 am EST

Wild: I could counter that it's equally frustrating to read someone who refuses to post anything negative/realistic about a player (or at least seldom does), despite the fact that the team is barely above 500 and as of today, not in the POs. From what I can see, the only non-rosy point you've posted is your criticism of MZA; obviously where the Rangers currently sit isn't solely on him.

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:05 am EST

Gotta say I'd a tad concerned about the play of MZA. He's buzzing around and still feisty but producing very little offensively. It's hurting this team that 2 of their top 6 wingers are producing very little offensively (MZA and Kreider, who both have only 4 goals each).

RF4L


Tue Dec 9 2014 9:02 am EST

kid k/ jt jitters let's see both of them do what they are capable of in the nhl, with some consistency....right now Nash should be the captain, and the TEAM should be following his lead......YORK john veenyo and perry sully ahkneel use the players as their excuses. it's rarely about them and their system, decisions, or ideas. The nyr are struggling again with the man to man d. guys are having a hard time figuring out who their man is, and switching off. most are watching the puck and chasing it.....this TEAM can play a lot better with the right management decisions.....and some of the players can play a lot better.....motivation, confidence, and being put in a position to succeed.....there is zero reason for klein not to be on the 2nd pp unit......

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:49 am EST

York that was a dumb thing to say. One, lets see if Miller STICKS with the team, that youre so quick to try & compare stats off 2 measly goals and 25-30 games. Klein has more goals than Kreids, Zuc, Step and more. And what IF Kreider is a guy who disappears for stretches, but the rest of the year hes a moose who can score? We dont want that guy? The perfect Iis the enemy of the good? Dont think anyone predicts 50 goals & unprecedented physical play every night, youd be talking about an all-time monster of (young) Lindros proportions. Dont think anyone had expectations like that for Kreider. But he's a special player but young. He needs to go through his ups & downs. Because Kreider at 27-28 if he adapts & learns & improves is a FRIGHTENING player.l also font like being on the other side with Miller. Hes a NYR prospect, a no. 1 pick. I really have to say I want him to fo well? But he does have a LOT to prove. He pissed me off in the past being so STUPID, that the coach & people around the team had to publicly get on him.So let him prove it.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:38 am EST

One other thing AV had the excuse last year he didn't know his team and needed camp to figure it out. This year same song and dance need 1/4 of the season to get to know the team etc. I honestly believe this team went to the finals because of MSL not because av came in. This team knows how to win in the playoffs and we have probably the best game 7 goalie in the league. AVs job is safe but how long before the system gets called out for not being suited for this team?

York18


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:33 am EST

@rangersreport Lundqvist said, in all seriousness, and by far, that Klein has the best shot on the team. Added it hurts in practice.

stevielegs


Tue Dec 9 2014 8:30 am EST

Rabid you keep bagging on miller while pumping Kreider problem is miller is playing how Kreider should be playing. Miller has 2 less goals and has played only 1/3 the games Kreider has. He uses his body and goes to the net the ejection excuse has run it's course he's afraid to throw hits now? He's gone into one of hIs normal disappearing acts and needs to be consistent or all he will end up being is the promise of something better........last night goes back to my post from yesterday way too many turnovers. The system is failing the team right now and it's time to adjust. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole and it's showing how many signings and deals need to be made for AVs system to work? It's easier to change a system or a coach then a majority of the team. This team offensively is dangerous now for a number of years we were a shut down defense team arguably best in the league one does not have to be completely sacrificed for the other.

York18


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:16 am EST

Had they blown consecutive 2-goal leads & lost this place would be ...idk. not good. Dont know what to make of this new habit, they blew that one so quick! I remember something similar for a few games last year but they nipped it. 1/3 of the team is new, and the new guys are making contributions. Fast was hard on the puck last night. Hayes has 2 goals in 3 games, really controlled the puck well at times. But the bulk of the team is the same, and there is something very good there, especially if Nash keeps on. Same time I dont see these bouts with .500 hockey ending soon, unless they get everyone healthy and get on a roll. Tough to put your finger on.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 9 2014 7:04 am EST

Klein is stepping up at both ends. Can he be Staal's top-3 replacement? Anybody miss MDZ?

Bob


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:56 am EST

Also on the PP last night. Let's not forget that the Pens killed off what 39 in a row at one point...and going into last night 10 of 11. They do have a hand in the PP numbers for their opponent. While there were times the Rangers didn't do the right things there were more time the PENs PK was making it near impossible to get passes or decent shots. If you didn't see that you didn't want to.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:54 am EST

I think Boyle adds a completely new dimension to this team offensively. And I am also a bit concerned about his defense. The pronlem with our team right now is a bit identity oriented. We are so "good" offensively that we are capable of putting teams away, but we don't quite execute to that end AND when we start to bomb away against teams we loose that focus defensively and tends to shoot ourselfs in the foot.

Ola


Tue Dec 9 2014 6:46 am EST

Yeah that Boyle guy. Only two shots. On for 2 more goals for than against. Only 22 minutes of ice time. He sucks! Yeah the PP sucked last night it was ALL HIM! I can see that there are some who have chosen to only see the negative plays. Like last night with Staal. Multiple very good to great plays, one mistake and half of Twitter wants to trade him because "he can't play anymore". It's frustrating to see stuff written from people who clearly WANT a player to be bad so they can play the "I told you so" game or just so they can bitch about a player....well as long as it's not "their guy" who is playing like crap.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 9 2014 3:33 am EST

Another "great" win and several others "great" performances. Frankly though, pts is what matters and only 2 of em is on the line every night. We are 10th in the East. Its almost christmas. We are pissing away pts here and there. Detroit is 3rd in the East, we more or less dominated them for long stretches but come away with nothing. Its December 9, not October 9. Its time to not string together 5 solid games in a row, its time to at worst play 5 solid games in a row and have a few peaks where we win 7-8 games in a row clean.

Ola


Tue Dec 9 2014 3:11 am EST

I've had enough of hearing things from uptight short-sighted narrow-minded hypocritics...

LeoS


Tue Dec 9 2014 2:55 am EST

I've been barking about Boyle from the start but AV still insisting on him being top 4 is killing this team. Was horrid even on the pp- just see him coasting. No energy. And I can already hear the Redden apologist starting up with the injury excuse; BULLSHIT!!!! He's been trending down for years so pleAse hold your breath instead

_Arc


Tue Dec 9 2014 12:36 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/08/klein-the-ot-hero-after-rangers-blow-another-lead/

mf


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:38 pm EST

" we shoot". Damn AI taking over my keypad, spooky fuckin blue lines letter to letter, spelling what Iit wants.Only blue lines I like have a ranger logo in between. More whites at home please.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:33 pm EST

RF youbknow what the deal is with Boyle. Not much left in skating dept., so itll be close call after close call. Its on the other end hes gotta be a + player. He has good jump nights & bad. Its not pretty but he can help, bestb point man we got. Av says ges takin heat inside room not using Klein on Pp. Theres an idea. Hes got more goals than....Kreider! We about that sumbitch yet?! Wheres TD! Probably pretty tomorrows Gettysburgh on JT HAHA. AV said KK lost chunk but they found it & reattached. Hockey. What a great game.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:19 pm EST

I expected this heavy shot from Klein last year but it never came. Think he was very conservative to make sure he stuck around. Well it worked.idk if thats the first GWer after losing an ear but good shit. MSL two nice setups. Who we tradin'? Kreider!!! Somebody had him Wally Pipped before. I forget who. But ill remember lol.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:05 pm EST

Follow up to a "RR" post from earlier: Also Monday, Commissioner Bettman provided the teams with an initial projection for the salary cap during the 2015-16 season; he says, barring unforeseen circumstances, the cap will be about $73 million. "I went over a series of projections, preliminary, preliminary projections," Bettman said. "Estimates that are not carved in stone, but our best guess based on the information available making lots of lots of assumptions on things like revenue growth in the year and perhaps as significantly, what may happen with the Canadian dollar. "Our best guess, and it's got some variation in it, that if the Canadian dollar stays where it is now for the rest of the season, which is about 88 cents (on the American dollar), the cap for next season would be approximately $73 million. It's just a guess and it is subject to variation." ..... Article also talks about Las Vegas conducting a litmus test for NHL season ticket holders... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=743068&navid=DL|NHL|home

mf


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:57 pm EST

JerryG: Good to see ya man, AON, went to see DSO Fri & Sat after Thanksgiving, Saturday was awesome.. BTW Rumors of a GD 50th Aniv. tour.... ;-)

mf


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:51 pm EST

MF: A traitor indeed. He's are worst enemy.

Jerry_Garcia


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:35 pm EST

rf is sather was right twice a day, he would be a genius.....does anyone have a copy of the nhl penquin rule book?... crosschecks are allowed if they give them . when is the last time crybaby was in the penalty box at msg?......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:27 pm EST

Nash's goal was a beauty and nice to see Jitters get a goal (MSL's pass was fabulous).

RF4L


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:26 pm EST

BTW the Rangers had 17 giveaways (the Penguins had 5). WTF??

RF4L


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:24 pm EST

stevie: Yep - but don't forget a broken clock is correct twice a day!

RF4L


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:24 pm EST

Bob: Yeah and the way it was squandered is quite disconcerting. The immediate thought is letting in 2 goals like they did in a minute (or whatever it was) and both due to a series of defensive miscues. Of deeper worry are the facts that the Rangers, with but a 1 goal lead for 3/4s of the period, were outshot 13 to 4 and their PP was once again shitty. What's with the latter anyways. What's with this organization's inability to ice a decent PP on a consistent basis? Isn't that why they signed the tiny, aging, lousy in his own end Dan Boyle???

RF4L


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:21 pm EST

rf your favorite guy made that trade...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:09 pm EST

BTW, Dan Boyle is a nightmare in his own end and belongs on the bottom 6, IMO. The PP embarrassment continues and I am assuming (hoping) it's because he missed some games due to the flu/mumps after missing a slew of games due to his broken hand (and I say that because the PP started to click just before the flu/mumps kicked in).

RF4L


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:06 pm EST

I liked the trade when it happened and am liking it more and more as we go: MDZ for KK was an astute deal when it went down given the organization had given up on the former and the latter was more than some gave him credit for (including on here) because (I think) he was playing in the shadows for Nashville due to who was in front of him and the fact that the team didn't score much. Take away his 5 goals and he goes under the radar by many who don't appreciate the smaller, less obvious things because he's quietly efficient. Without a doubt he's proving to be a top 4 d-man who is, arguably, making the thought of having to trade Marc Staal less concerning. When the so called experts talk about the Rangers backline the 'big 3' always get mentioned. Maybe that big 3 should and could be McD, G and KK....

RF4L


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:51 pm EST

NN that makes too much logical sense...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:47 pm EST

ReKlein...he scores AGAIN!!

JFC31


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:45 pm EST

Seeing that Klein has a pretty decent shot..why not try him on the powerplay.

DOUBLEN


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:44 pm EST

Calvin Klien

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:30 pm EST

They have already lost 8 games after having the lead... This better not be 9...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:29 pm EST

Another squandered lead. This year's rule to live by.

Bob


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:27 pm EST

Wafj ... Time out veenyo the d system is not working ... Everyone is chasing the puck instead of man to man...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:20 pm EST

WOW..HAYES!!

DOUBLEN


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:20 pm EST

Purple Hayes

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:18 pm EST

Pp probably giving up more quality shorthanded chances than its getting... Decline the penalties....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:47 pm EST

Miller looks bigger. See if he can do anything besides re-directs ;)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:42 pm EST

The psa pp is consistent ...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:40 pm EST

O-for O--for O-for O-fer......oh boy... Last game 0-7?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:33 pm EST

Saying that was the right call

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:32 pm EST

Dickaletti constantly sting that was the call ... Nhl ref apologist appeaser...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:24 pm EST

Hayes looks like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. Lets see if we can hold lead for 30 minutes. Hayes bonehead penalty. Ok, hold it for 3 minutes?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:21 pm EST

Wow. Msl very heads up assist.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:19 pm EST

NASHTY!!!

DOUBLEN


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:19 pm EST

Nash mash

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:14 pm EST

Hayes is like an octopus.. ... made a few great plays before.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:12 pm EST

I said during the last game that Zkreider should be put with Hayes and Miller moved into his spot. Looks like Kreider's injury got AV to do the right thing. Now he should leave Miller there and move Kreider to the Hayes line for the next game too.

JFC31


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:11 pm EST

Oh boy!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:11 pm EST

Great goal by Jitters

DOUBLEN


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:10 pm EST

The monster mash

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 7:47 pm EST

Good thing they practiced that pp... Perry sully ahkneel doing a great job...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 6:58 pm EST

probably see veenyo change lines during game putting hagelin and /or stempi in kid k's spot too.....unless muenster shakes the jitters......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 6:55 pm EST

Miller with yet another opportunity. On this call up he has shown better and more consistent than during any other call up. Now he has earned the spot vacated by the Kreider injury, if he does something with this he will force the Rangers to keep him and adjust the roster accordingly. Big big game for Miller. It's not about scorsheet points as much as it's about "style points". He needs to play the right way, if he gets points it's a bonus. But if he looks like a top 6 forward he will continue to get minutes. If not he may find himself back in Hartford (not that I would do that but...)

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 6:45 pm EST

@AGrossRecord #NYR: Nash-Brass-Zuccarello Miller-Stepan-St. Louis Hagelin-Hayes-Stempniak Glass-DMoore-Fast; McDonagh-Girardi Staal-Boyle JMoore-Klein

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 6:35 pm EST

Projected cap next yr $73m per NHL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:55 pm EST

afaic there are few excuses why this team is underperforming....I'll give them until game 41 to show who they are ? ....so far they have only shown glimpses.....of good team games....the rest has been fairly bad ....alias embarrassing.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:50 pm EST

JFC: I think it will take the trade. Of a popular guy....the likes of Staal, or Zucc, someone who was loved in the locker room like Boyle was. That kind of guy. I know there are a few at least, so Sather would have options on that front. Also, just the shake up of any trade would work some...but again, a popular guy who is liked by the team, the fans and the team management would send a message that not one single player (save maybe Hank) is more important that the team and the cup. They need to send the message, if they can do that without a trade great, but probably not.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:50 pm EST

@FriedgeHNIC Bryan Murray says Dave Cameron is the head coach, not an interim hire.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:44 pm EST

We all know that the reason we went as far as we did last year was because of the presence of Martin St.Louis....not his performance, but by the sad passing of his mom having a galvanizing and inspirational effect on EVERYONE on that team. The need for passion and purpose with this team has not changed....they have demonstrated that they can play ELITE level hockey when they are INSPIRED....and that inspiration has come from fear/lloathing of their opponent. Pittsburgh, MTL, Philly (well, they suck, too....that helps!). THey came up with several games in which everything was clicking....speed was there, pinpoint passing was there, breakout was sharp, etc. So, this team needs to find something to motivate them and unfortunately it looks like it could be FEAR OF MISSING THE PLAYOFFS....and if that's the case, we're gonna be in for a bumpy ride before they get scared enough to be inspired. They need something esle...what that may be, who knows. Maybe some team comes in and plays a brutal physical game against them and roughs up guys like Zucc, a rookie like Duclair, etc.....something to get the rest of the guys into protective mode....to fight back against their team mates being hurt/bulluied, etc. WHO KNOWS?? but somwething has got to get these guys inspired quickly of they will get inspired by a BIG TRADE that sends some of their brothers packing with a "you may be next" mentality spread by management.

JFC31


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:42 pm EST

Not only are there a bunch of players gone from last season, you add in the injuries early, and its almost as if 1/2 the team changed for a few games there. Hopefully the injury bug is gone for the most part, you will always have 1 or 2 guys out with injury or illness, but the less that happens the more comfortable they will become, and with that better play should come. Its not nice watching them struggle, but it isn't all due to coaching or players drive or player ability. The fact that they have been in flux since the start of camp, by force of injury and illness, has impacted the teams ability to win games.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:38 pm EST

Rabid, I beg to differ...Boyle, Carcillo, Diaz, Dorsett, Pouliot, Richards & Stralman all played in the SCF...chemistry?...there isn't much right now...player's fault?...coaches fault?...I don't have the answer but a 1/3 of this team was not here last year and it shows...sometimes very badly.

RF73


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:37 pm EST

the problem is when they want to play , they usually win. but way too many games, they are not coming to play......the fish stinks from the head to the tail on that.....alias the inconsistent frust-r- angers......what's slower a glacier, a snail, a mule, or a tortoise... veenyo fits at least one them besides being a moof frog......is that a bull-frog?......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:32 pm EST

The biggest difference between last year's team and this one is the play(absence) of Ryan McD. He has been out or awfull all year. He looks lost. Not the dominant D man he was the last two years, not by a long shot! If, when, he comes around the team will look a lot better.

DCIGolfer


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:23 pm EST

Well a west coast is usually not good; this we know. I'm wary of questioning AV and definitely of questioning things like chemistry at this point. It is largely the same group that had phenomenal chemistry last year. One win and AV starts to look a bit smarter, the guys seem to care (should they win) more lol. But I agree something seems to be missing. Same time, someone steps up tonight and they come up with a solid win, it flips to being a pretty a stacked roster you're not sure who to remove. Jmwo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:14 pm EST

I missed the Detroit game. I have it taped but I'll probably delete it as I don't think I have the energy to watch it. I've read about the game here and elsewhere. It sounds like the Rangers lost because they failed on the PP (0 for 7) including 2 two man advantages in the 3rd. It also sounds like some sloppy defensive play from KREIDER and STEPAN led to two goals that Detroit scored. I saw KLEIN scored with HAYES on the primary assist and NASH scored with BRASSARD as the primary assist. I also saw the ice time breakdowns. I'd really like to see AV put HAYES on the PP. At this point he can only help the PP and it may help him to score more at even strength as well. Anyone care to give me a 1 line summary for each line in terms of how they played and which players had good games vs bad games? Also, given the roster that the Pens are putting out tonight it would be a shame if the Rangers didn't win this game in regulation. They need to get on a roll here and put themselves solidly in the playoff picture. They can't be fighting for a wildcard spot down the stretch. That would be a recipe for disaster.

Vic


Mon Dec 8 2014 2:10 pm EST

RABID - Agreed...An ugly loss tonight with a west coast rod trip coming next could be deadly..There is no reason for this Ranger squad to be a .500 team...To me, it's mostly because of the lack of passion, chemistry and cohesion..and this points in 1 direction--coaching and the glacial pace in which AV is learning or not learning how to use his players

Hospo


Mon Dec 8 2014 1:53 pm EST

Whites at home; like it oughta be. No LeTang or Kunitz we must destroy them.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 1:46 pm EST

Here's the projected Penguins lineup, which is missing Pascal Dupuis, Chris Kunitz, Patric Hornqvist, Beau Bennett, Kris Letang and Olli Maatta: Nick Spaling-Sidney Crosby-Steve Downie Evgeni Malkin-Brandon Sutter-Blake Comeau Rob Klinhammer-Andrew Ebbett-Craig Adams Zach Sill-Marcel Goc-Jayson Megna Robert Bortuzzo-Christian Ehrhoff Brian Dumolin-Paul Martin

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 1:21 pm EST

Sportsnet Ottawa Senators fire head coach Paul MacLean http://ow.ly/FyjFh pic.twitter.com/Ia4w8DmAqm

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:44 am EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 9m 9 minutes ago Looks as if Rangers will be wearing whites tonight ......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:39 am EST

Stevie: Miller has been engaged physically on almost every shift. He is playing a simple game and will create space for any line he is on, and he is making smart passes and taking smart shots. All of the things Kreider isn't doing. Moving Kreider to the 4th line will give him less pressure to produce and could be what he needs to get back to a simple game. He needs simple style players on the line with him or he will try and be fancy and be looking for offensive chances all the time. On the 4th line he will get in that mindset and be defensive minded as well as just being simple. As for AV skating them yesterday. Apparently he let it be known a few times that he didn't want to see them not moving. I think over doing the bag skate thing can do more harm than good. With a few days off after tonight he could do it, but on the one day between games? You asking for a tired heavy legged team fora big game against the PENs. Not a good idea. But he did get on them for not moving their feet.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:37 am EST

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/hockey/shaking-off-the-rust-1.1148384

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:29 am EST

Kreider (neck spasms) is day to day. Doubtful for tonight. 0 replies 5 retweets 0 favorites &#61777; Reply &#61778; Retweet 5 &#61767; Favorite &#61776; More Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord · 14m 14 minutes ago Hunwick and Duclair being bag skated now so Glass and JMoore will be in. ......he should have bag skated the whole team yesterday, unless veenyo didn't mean they were 'lazy'.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:28 am EST

wild I said "...that points directly to goaltending and defensive play...".....where is miller playing so well that he should take kid k's spot?......kid k should be moved down to the 3rd line or take a seat....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:22 am EST

and via twitter. Moore and Glass in, Kreider Doubtful due to neck spasms. I imagine that really means Kreider out and Glass in. Probably Miller moved up.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:19 am EST

rabid: I think there are a lot of reasons why he is struggling. I do think that PART of it is trying to NOT take penalties, and also, I think he wants to avoid hurting anyone. Outside of Lucic I don't know of too many NHL players who act like they enjoy hurting people, and Kreider looks like he has been shot when a player is down that he has hit, clean or not, it bothers him. Thats not a bad thing so much as he needs to learn that shit happens,and guys get hurt on the ice. He has a lot of things, mostly mental, to work through. He may be out tonight due to being banged up so maybe this will serve as a reset for him. I also think, if he had to go, he probably would. Unless there is something they found after the post practice presser by AV yesterday, he is just bruised up and hurting, so AV may tell him he needs to sit to heal up and to watch because he hasn't played well. We shall see.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:05 am EST

And there was no suspension...

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 11:05 am EST

Since that ejection Kreider didn't play well, then lost his grandfather (and I won't say any thing there after I ranted about MSLs mom) and now is banged up after running into have apparently. So I just see him on the wrong side of controlled aggressiveness, and needs to get on the right side by being a little reckless, and hopefully not taking too many penalties. But I do think we're going to have to accept some PIMS with him, whether he's playing well or not.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:55 am EST

When Chris Kreider crashes the net, entire nations grow angry with him. Half-kidding in referencing MTL & the playoffs, but I do think at least some of what he's going through now is learning precisely where that fine line is. The ejection & suspension this year, I forget the circumstances,made exectly when I saw his game dissipate into this cold streak.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:47 am EST

td: I see this with a lot of fast players in the NHL. They come into the NHL, they have a really good start, maybe a season or two, than suddenly its like they can't play. IMHO its due to other teams adjusting to them, vet Dmen who start to figure out how to play against them, and it forces them to learn to adjust. They also start to get more and more responsibility, and I think the pressure of that along with the new aspects of their job on the ice makes them misfire on their game. I think if Kreider simplifies when the Rangers have the puck his offensive game will be just fine. Its the other parts he needs to relax with and simplify. Coming back on D, to me, it looks like he is thinking about who to go to and when, where to go, and by the time he sees that spot, he can't get there in time. He just needs to get back in position and than adjust to how the players around him are moving around and such. Basically, to me, it looks like he is thinking, and not just skating hard and driving the net, and skating hard back and just picking up a man that no one else has. I think maybe put him on the 4th line and move Miller (who keeps playing well) up to his spot. Take the pressure of being a top 6 guy off him for a few games.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 10:08 am EST

Ola - I remember thinking of HAGELIN when KREIDER couldn't seem to pull his game together in 2013...if he approached the game like Hags, we'd have one hell of a player. That's the kind of game he should be playing...hard forechecking, crashing the net.

tdchi


Mon Dec 8 2014 9:42 am EST

Stevie: While Hank has had some off moments...a lot of those losses when the Rangers score 3 have come in games where the Rangers D has given up chances I could score with, so its not all Hank. Part of it I think will be fixed when they get more than 2 or 3 game sin a row with the same D partners. Also, some of the guys who last season held the puck forever have not done that this season...hello Zucc, Kreider...so the chances come more often this season. If those two can pick it up more things will be better, even if they don't score, just posses the puck better for a few extra seconds so the D are not in the middle of a change when the other team comes back at them.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:47 am EST

"THREE’S COMPANY: The Rangers have tallied at least three goals in five of their last six games and they are tied for sixth in the NHL in games with three or more goals (16) this season. New York ranks 10th in the NHL in goals per game (2.88) and fourth in goals at home (48) this season.".....that points directly to goaltending and defensive play......hank use to be able to win games the nyr scored 3 goals in......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 8:43 am EST

Extremes something that has bothered me this season is the turnovers in our own zone. Under torts this team was a defensive juggernaut but they were brainwashed into only chipping the puck out. That's one extreme, now we have av and his break out system which takes tge safe play and throws it away for the risk of a fast breakout. There has to be a middle ground this team should be way better defensively than they are and av needs to start making adjustments that are for the betterment of the team. Chipping up the boards only takes away your speed always looking for the fast breakout gives you less time to read the passing lane and can cost goals which is happening a lot this season

York18


Mon Dec 8 2014 7:56 am EST

look at the bright side.... @Sun_Tychkowski The Oilers have only led after 20 minutes three times in 27 games this season.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 7:55 am EST

can't wait for all these players to not have reasons and excuses for why they are playing the way they are.....starting with the captain.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 7:51 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/06/serbys-sunday-qa-with-martin-st-louis/

stevielegs


Mon Dec 8 2014 4:48 am EST

Oh, good morning Ola. Meant to add but AV still had MSL on 1st PP unit. How many goals does Nash have to score to be THE primary shooter? Id also like to see Stepan go to the 2nd unit for a while & let Zuc distribute on top unit. Nash, Zuc Kreider Boyle McD, thatd my no. 1. Id swap out Zuc for Brass or evengo with a 4th forward to try & spike this team. I also dont care for McD on the PP. Let the boy McWonder as he'll hence forth be known (more a shot at NYR p.r. machine than the player) get his game BEHIND our blueline together.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 4:33 am EST

To be fair to AV, he had Kreider on 1st unit PP in practice yesterday before Kreider got dinged up. So not such a far-fetched idea apparently.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 8 2014 4:30 am EST

tdchi and rabid- Good pts on Kreider. But one thing, I agree that his confidence is low and that its hurting him a lot, but I think the biggest problem is that low confidence for Kreider -- in it self -- knocks down his entire game. You cannot be dependent on confidence and having things go your way to that extent. From my point of view, he really must start to contribute in one of the following areas on a regular basis: 1 the forecheck, 2 the circle around the boards or 3 defense. As it is right now, 30 minutes can be played of a game without Kreider having done anything in those areas. He is not a factor like Hagelin on the forecheck. He is not a factor along the boards on a regular basis, kind of square on the circle. Sometimes Ds tends to skate into and bump of him, and he can make plays, at other times he just fails at sheilding the puck. Defensively he is pretty lost with is a result of his low hockey IQ. In short, he needs to add an element to his game so that he can "go to work" every night, contribute by putting in the hrs.

Ola


Mon Dec 8 2014 3:39 am EST

God it would suck if Kreider turned into Freddy Sjostring II. Hope he can pull out of this...

Ola


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:11 pm EST

Crosses worth bearing....TD and Miller, RR and Kreider and me and SATHER SUCKS! LOL

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:03 pm EST

mf.., i don't accept your apology; TRUTH!

pa.rangersfan


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:50 pm EST

Mf trying to boost readership of off topic wall with a few well-placed teasers on this one

Messier11


Sun Dec 7 2014 8:46 pm EST

@AGrossRecord Just landed. From practice reports appears Chris Kreider was shaken up in collision with Carl Hagelin. So no lineup decisions for tomorrow.

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 8:13 pm EST

TD is what AV doing working? Duh... Why wouldnt you show some faith in him? Let him know how much youre counting on him to be one of your main guys? Hes had some success, he'll have more if given the chance. What, if a guy slips off his pace you take him out back & shoot him? Not to mention hes still a very young player, and a tremendously promising one. This isnt JT Miller, we're talking about A PLAYER. He shouldnt be treated properly? Talk about not understanding ..... anything! Jeez.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:57 pm EST

Folks, I sent an email asking for deletion of the Off Topic post..

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:47 pm EST

Meant for the other Wall, my apologies to all..

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:46 pm EST

We've got both houses of Congress 244/54, 31 Governors, need the executive branch to be held by someone with a brain that knows how to run a business, and I don't mean Romney.. There's going to be some Supreme Court nominations coming due, and G-d bless Ruth Bader Ginsberg for holding on, I truly believe she does not want to retire while this traitor is in office..

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:26 pm EST

RR - So you suggest because a guy's stick is cold...because he's stopped playing physical game...because he's been a turnover machine lately...that he should get more PP time and be treated like a 30-goal scorer? Glad you're not coach.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:20 pm EST

stevielegs - So now you're in control of what should and shouldn't be posted on the wall? Gotcha. Merely stating my opinion like everyone else around here. And in Hartford, Miller wasn't "switched" to wing. He played it for a couple of games before his promotion. Broken record time: He was the team's top-line center starting from his demotion until about a week before he was called up. And actually, now that I'm remembering, some of those games he started out as a wing and was moved back to center. Why? Well, it wasn't because he sucked at wing. You have a player who is a really good passer, who is good at taking faceoffs and is most effective down low along the boards...That says to you he should be wing? Whatever man. I don't give a toss where he plays. I'm simply suggesting what I'd do. And if my posts are that tiresome, just don't read them,

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:15 pm EST

RR - You're a special type of crazy. That's all I'm saying.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 6:01 pm EST

tdchi just curious for how long and how many times are you going to call for muenster messiah miller. alias jt jitters to be given the 3rd line center spot? ....I suggest you find veenyo on twitter or something....everyone here knows your position on miller.....and can probably recite it from memory......just saying.....while the nyr switched him to wing in Hartford....what does that tell you?....I'm pretty sure he's happy to be in the lineup in the nhl for now.....why don't you join him......?.....tell the rest of his fan club too.....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 5:29 pm EST

the problem is veenyo wants a certain type player, and his team is missing the type he doesn't want......he thinks he knows the answers....time for him to prove it....instead he calls guys lazy....sounds like that might fit him too.....he's not inspiring his team...he needs to own that, and his jerk of a pp coach that's his right hand man......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 5:26 pm EST

Thats right. TD has his own wing for special surgery. When hes not diagnosing patients there he vacations in fantasyland where JT Miller is 3C on a Cup team. My point was, if you want Kreider to be a 30-goal man, you treat him like one. 1st unit PP time in the slot, where he was excellent last year. Right now Nash is wasting there while MSL is the shoot (and miss) role. Ridiculous.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 5:20 pm EST

Rabid I personally don't like AV as a coach hated him when he was with the habs and didn't want him here. I don't believe last years run was due to him but rather about this team rallying behind each other.

York18


Sun Dec 7 2014 5:10 pm EST

York - Don't you dare put me in the same category here...

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 5:04 pm EST

He does that too! Was pointing out what a knob AV is not using him. Fuckin McD went before him one night. Gotta go...

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 4:59 pm EST

Rabid you are confused he is not a 50 goal scorer he's not even a 30 goal scorer. He has had two good playoffs one flub and has yet to have one consistent season. You speak about kreider much the way TD speaks of miller. Kreider wasn't even consistent in the ahl these are just facts not opinion. He obviously goes through mental lapses that stop his ability to be consistent once he breaks that this kid can be a thirty goal scorer no doubt. You saying he has the hardest shot so he should be in the shootout is silly its not a hardest shot contest. Had you said he scores more goals on breakaways than most of the guys being picked for the shootout would be a true and valid argumemt.

York18


Sun Dec 7 2014 3:40 pm EST

Kreider was dumb enough to light it up in the playoffs two years ago; was dumb enough to get all those great breakaway chances. Guess cause he didn't finish and is in a slump now he's retarded. Yeah....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 2:02 pm EST

Jim.Talent is there it's just no snarl !

ilya


Sun Dec 7 2014 1:38 pm EST

1/3 into the season and av really just got his team back. That means 1/2 the season to get it going? That's not good. Here is a reality and the sign of a great coach you build your system around your team, not your team around your system. A team is built around time and deals and signings and a feeder system so you have what you have. There are many systems to choose from and you build your system around your team. The crazy thing is torts even figured that out but went to far actually holding his players back. Bowman had the russian 5 with federov playing D at one point they weren't playing the same trapping system as the fourth line why? Because he had his units and put a system in place that worked to their strength .........kreider has been mia for a while I have questioned his hockey iq since he was drafted I don't care if he spoke 15 languages it doesn't mean his hockey iq should be high

York18


Sun Dec 7 2014 1:28 pm EST

TDCHI - The problem is, you keep forcing MILLER into the middle and he sucks there...Just let him play Wing andf the 4th line where he has a chance right now...To Me, MILLER isn't even a consideration for C, especially the top 3 lines...with what we have right now...I'd go....Nash-Brass-MZA; Hags-Step-St. Louis; Krieder-Moore-Stemp; Miller-x-Fast....Am I totally happy with this? No...But, I'm not happy with what we have now...And anyway you cut it, we needed another big forward, preferably a Center

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 1:17 pm EST

Hospo - Well, that's kind of my point...You have two guys who are out of position...kind of like when ST. LOUIS was thrown in as the team's second line center...can he play that position? Sure. Is he good at it? Not really. So you end up with less production from one of your top players because he's playing out of position...I'm sure the reason HAYES is at center is because the Rangers are absolutely drooling over the prospect of having someone of his skill and size in the middle...and if that's the case, then he should learn the position down in the AHL...but my point is with STEPAN, BRASSARD and MILLER, there's no reason for him to be in the middle...he's best suited for wing...can't say this enough...and when he plays there with a center like Brassard or Step...watch out. You're going to see some goals...and Miller...speaking totally objectively, the guy is a puck distributor and he's good along the boards. While the latter helps him at fourth line, the Rangers are really not capitalizing on the offense he could bring...and when they're scoring four or five goals in a game, that's fine...but last night, clearly the offense needed a bit of life...life Hayes, Miller and FAST could have helped bring had they gotten some minutes filling in for the slumbering KREIDER and snakebit MSL.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 1:08 pm EST

TDCHI - Wow, we obviously see Hayes and MIller in totally differnent lights..One I see a an AHLer..the other a 4th liner at best....RIGHT NOW....But the opinions of both of us mean jack shit...Only matters what AV and Sather think....We'll see..

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 1:05 pm EST

TDCHI - I don't think "fixing" an unbroken 4th line is an issue either...I think it's the 2nd and 3rd line which need to be fixed, re-organized, whatever and the 4th line just gets caught in the cross fire..I'm just trying to come up with some internal options and not doing a very good job!

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:59 pm EST

My fix would be to slide HAYES up to second line...reuinte NASH with STEPAN..move Marty ST. LOUIS down to third line RW with MILLER as his center and HAGLIN on the left...If KREIDER can't wake up on the NASH line, swap him with Hags or FAST, who, IMO, should really get a chance to play with a scoring line...Both him and Miller have played fine on fourth line...but their offense...which for both players, is really their strength, is kind of being wasted where they are...if the Rangers could get MORIN, I'd give him a shot at second line LW...add some grit to the top six...Whatever AV does, he has to get back to rolling four lines...the fact that he's NOT anymore is really quite befuddling.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:54 pm EST

Hospo - I like MALONE'S game, but I'm just not convince fixing the bottom line is the problem here...Not to sound like a broken record, but I think the real problem resides in the fact that we have the guy who is best suited to replace POULIOT playing third-line center, even though he's more comfortable at wing and played their through much of college...and the guy most suited to pivot third line playing 8 minutes a game on fourth line wing...and that AV seems to be falling into the same traps/bad habits his predecessor did, which is namely that he has has favorite top eight players and is basically shortening his bench to get them ice time...Ridiculous that MILLER and FAST had under 10 minutes last night, especially given that the rest of the team couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door last night.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:43 pm EST

On KREIDER - I don't think anyone here would seriously argue he should be demoted...as in sent to the minors...but a drop in line position is well warranted. My question with Kreeds right now is his play over the past two or three weeks a result of the coaching staff or his own inconsistency/motivation? He's starting to look more and more like Kreider circa 2013 and that's not a good thing...No doubt, AV is noticing something he doesn't like in Kreider's game...only five more shifts than FAST...two more than STEMNIAK....but like I said with Hank...the important time for him to heat up is more than five months away...Hate to say it, but this part of the season means just about nothing to me. Rangers are still destined to make the playoffs.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:39 pm EST

TDCHI - The "pining" for MALONE is more of a pinig for the type of game he plays or played which nobody in the Rangers organization seems to do..Hell, when you are stuck with players like HAYES and JT MILLER as 3rd and 4th line regulars, you'll grab at anything!!!.

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:36 pm EST

RABID - Really, chill out...by "Kreider down", I meant down a line as I had explained previously (switching with Hags)

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:33 pm EST

RR - Consistency IS LINDBERG'S problem right now. The guy has been the Pack's top line center since MILLER got promoted and hasn't done squat with that opportunity. He's not bad in the FO circle...and to be honest, just about anyone would be better at center than HAYES. But if the Rangers are smart, they'll leave him where he is.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:04 pm EST

I don't get all this pining over MALONE. Kind of ridiculous, if you ask me...the guy looks very pedestrian in Hartford and that's certainly not a complement. He had a good pre-season. Great. But I'm not sure what anyone expects him to do in NY...And I've said this several times...I still don't think LINDBERG ready for the NHL...in fact, he's had a real rough patch since FAST was promoted. I WOULD like to see what he'd do centering FAST and, say, HAGELIN...that would be a heck of a third line...but I just can't see promoting a guy who still doesn't have consistency nailed down at the AHL level...He's the Pack's top-line center now and is struggling to produce...I will say this: Lindberg is a grittier player than I remember him last year. If MOORE went down, I'd give him the call. But I don't see him centering third line and that working out well for the Rangers.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:57 am EST

Chicago Sun Time says Jeremy MORIN, a scratch for eight straight games, has "has made his position known" to the Hawks GM Stan Bowman...Look, if MORIN is available, he's EXACTLY what the Rangers need. He's a tough customer. Throws down the mitts...Physical player, not the fastest skater, but has talent enough to be a goal scorer...Actually, he's kind of a Callahan-type player. Not large, but plays a large game...Hawks have him on fourth line when he plays, which is why he's all zeros this year...almost no chance for him to grab a sizable role with the team, since they're so goddamn deep...not sure what they Hawks would want, but I'm not thinking it would be much. They could probably get him for a third rounder or maybe a mid-level prospect...someone who doesn't have to clear waivers...might do KRISTO for him straight up...Morin's a right hander...plays the off wing though...would bring the punch this team badly needs on fourth...And while talking to the Hawks...I'd see if they'd be willing to part with Adam CLENDENING...RHS..slick puck-moving defenseman, product of the USNTDP and used to QB Boston U's PP...He's having trouble cracking the Hawks' lineup too...but would be an upgrade, IMO, from Dan BOYLE.

tdchi


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:44 am EST

Yes let's send Chris Kreider to the minors. Absolute brilliance on a Sunday morning!!! Did St Louis go to the minors when he scored once in 24 games? Yet there he was last night shanking what should have been auto-goals on the goddamned motherfucking power play. Wake the F up! Your team is going to give up goals sometimes. Your offense is supposed to pick them up, including Kreider. But Boyle, Step & MSL sucked when it counted last night. We should have had two PP goals late and won that bitch.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:36 am EST

RABID -It's not a Miller-Linberger competition but I know how you and TDCHI just love tweeking each other.:)..Any way,,,but perhaps both LINDBERGER and MILLER could contribute?...I like MILLER as a 4th line WING...And if LINDBERGER is performing well in Hartford (I have no clue) and winning FO's, he might be worth a shot..Same goes for MUeller..

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:30 am EST

4 months after camp opened JT Miller finally threw the body. Congrats. Lindberg's consistency & faceoff ability would do this team a lot of good. This is not the team we're finishing the season with; after 25 games, that seems reasonably assured

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:24 am EST

Getting caught up in the negatives, but this is still a very talented and skilled team when allowed to skate....But it stays to the perimeter and has no clue how to crash the net or get some dirty goals (for the most part0...Need to find that player or two..and we defeinetly have skill we can trade, although some might not like who is given up...There's not a single forward on thei team I would have problem trading for the right return

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:22 am EST

were not getting out hit were getting outscored. Have to put more pucks into the net than the other guys. Stewart, Malone and other grinders won't get that done

Messier11


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:19 am EST

MELVILLE - Agree..let him play.....in Hartford....I have a hard time watching a 6'5" C stand around with his thumb up his ass in the defensive zone not knowing what to do..Needs more experience..

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:16 am EST

RF4L - Ive already blabbed about my first set of changers (Kreider down, Hags up, Hayes to the Minors, Moore Up, Malone/Lindberger/MUELLER/somebody recalled) prior to any external help....But I honestly don't think the team needs McI, or where McI is right now..To me, it needs the changes up front

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:16 am EST

I like a lot of the players on this team, but the lack of heart and grit is pretty apparent. There are a lot of rumors swirling this weekend. Rumors indicate that the Rangers are looking to add a forward/make some change. I don't see the Rangers bringing back ZUCCARELLO as they have DUCLAIR and BUCHNEVICH coming up behind him. I think STAAL is an absolute rock, but to make a culture shift, you've got to make some tough decisions. If Dallas is willing to move OLEKSIAK and HONKA I absolutely explore a deal with them involving Staal. Now for some names that sound interesting. Apparently JEREMY MORIN has asked for a trade from the Blackhawks. 23 years old with scoring ability, but on the smaller side at 6' 190lbs... CHRIS STEWART is available. He's got size and ability, but with 3 goals and 1 assist in 27 games, I'm gonna say no thanks... Helene St. James wrote an article about Detroit looking for a defenseman. She mentions that a deal for Tyler Meyers would "start" with Anthony Mantha and Gustav Nyquist. If a team like Detroit would have the opportunity to negotiate with Staal's agent prior to any trade, I wonder what the Rangers would be able to demand in return??? If Brooks is right, there may be some opportunities for deals with Phoenix: maybe MARTIN HANZAL, MARTIN ERAT, KEITH YANDLE. Not sure what needs to happen, but there has to be some kind of shake up.

evets1980


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:14 am EST

RF4L....Hayes actually shows some promise you have to let this kid play. Who's going to the game Monday night?

MelvilleFred


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:12 am EST

RF4L - Ah, the FOs..I yammered about them all off season..And one of the reason's I had hoped for LOMBARDI..but he blew that chance..Still, Brassard and a 4th center (who is the best) will not do the tick....Stepan at 43%,, and Hayes and MIller in the 30% is throwing points away ..Part of the solution is no more HAYES, More Moore and I don't know what else

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:10 am EST

stevie: You'll lilke this no doubt: Practice at noon today for the Rangers....

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:08 am EST

I think it was York who complained about this a while back and I agree with him: AV needs to adjust his style to a certain degree and find a way to fit Malone and McI in the lineup. I totally get a coach has a philosophy and the GM endeavors to find players to fit that, but there needs to be some flexibility on the coach's part if/when things aren't working. I think part of the issue with this club is a lack of passion and intensity and having physical players in the lineup can go a long way towards addressing that (assuming of course they are able to play). I realize neither M or McI are speedsters, but they aren't clunkers, either. AV needs to construct his lineup to accommodate these 2, at least for some teams (like the Penguins who are always dirty).

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:05 am EST

BTW, besides more production from the 3rd line (who's issue in that regard starts with Hayes - although not all would agree with that I'm sure), what changes are folks recommending? I'd like Malone, McI and Lindbergh recalled, Hayes farmed out, Duclair sent to juniors and Kreider possibly pressboxed (if he has another brain-dead game Monday he needs to sit or even demoted for a few games).

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 11:01 am EST

Hospo: I gotta figure if nothing changes before the Penguin game and the Rangers don't win that match, changes will occur before they hit the road (Vancouver on Saturday). They basically have to IMO.

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:59 am EST

JFC: Here's a quote from the NY Post: 'Boyle was frustrated after this, arguably the Rangers’ most confounding loss of the season.' From Carp's blog: '1) There’s no way to sugar-coat it. That was a horrible loss on so many levels. A 2-0 lead, in control, some awful defensive coverage, then the absolute gift 5-on-3s and a double-minor mixed in, including one long shift where one of the three Red Wings on ice had no stick. Just awful. Lack of possession mostly because of—what else is new?—inability to win faceoffs.' So maybe not quite the way I worded it, but certainly more of what we've been seeing/reading a lot this season and most concerning is that it's not going away. 4 - 4 - 2 their last 10 = a non-PO finish if it's not rectified (and more anguish at the June draft as the first place Bolts gleefully select in the top 16). It's a double whammy this year - no consolation prize is available should AV and company not find a way to resolve whatever the issues are. SIGH

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:36 am EST

JFC - Looks like we kinda agree!

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:34 am EST

RF4L - Of course, I agree on HAYES.....Every game he does something good and WILL be a good NHLer in the near future....but IMWO he's not an NHL 3rd liner and should be in the AHL now...However, there are other more important moves....Until we get help from the outside (keep fingers crossed)..KREIDER needs to be demoted to 3rd line.,,,.HAGS moved up..HAYES farmed out..MOORE moved up..and somebody found to play with Fast and MIller...MALONE ANYONE???? Even if it's a move like the Pens just made in getting KLINKHAMMER........I know all this means more changes from what appears to be a dysfunctional set of forward lines, but this group, especially the 2nd and 3rd lines, ain't going anywhere...

Hospo


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:22 am EST

RF -- don't know what rags you've been reading but this was not even close to being one of the worst losses of the season. This game was lost because of missed opportunities and lack,of execution. When you have two 5-on-3's and don't score, that simply sucks....bad execution. Kreider got lost in the defensive zone....bad execution. The team put in an honest effort and did not dog it, did not look disinterested/listless.....when those tho gas happen, THEN you can call,it a horrible loss....and unfortunately, we have had a few of those this year. I predicted that Sather would make a trade after game 20...so,far I'm wrong.....we'll see just how far off I was. 25 games is enough to know what he have and what we need.....just need a willing trade partner. Can't imagine we can keep going like this without a shakeup.....it's time for a BIG ONE AFAIAC. If not a trade, then rework the lineup. Looks like NASH can play with. Anyone at this point and be successful, but I'd leave him with Brass....Shake up everything else.....I don't care if AV puts all the names in 3 hats (center/LW/RW) and makes the lines that way....just DO SOMETHING! As long as the D remains healthy, I think they will be OK.

JFC31


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:03 am EST

stevie: Re Kreider with Hayes - worth a try. I am concerned his hockey IQ is low and he'll never fully capitalize on his raw skill set. Hopefully, it's simply a matter of maturity. I wonder if Sather is willing to include in trade discussions now....

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 10:01 am EST

“When you have a couple good games, it’s easy to let it go and enjoy that,” Lundqvist said after he took a hard morning skate with the scratches. “When you have a game where you feel like you can do better, sometimes you try to overanalyze it sometimes instead of just let it go. “When you’re in a position where you work really hard and you’re not getting the results, you don’t want to do too much. Sometimes you want to win so badly that you try too much to get the result and that’s not going to help you. It’s about finding that balance.” ....like I said try standing on your head that takes balance......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:58 am EST

“We’ve talked to Chris quite a bit,” coach Alain Vigneault said. “You have to be careful not to overload players with information so they can still go on the ice and use their hockey instincts.”“In my mind, that part of his game is getting a little bit better,” Vigneault said. “Sometimes there are quick decisions to be made on the ice are difficult for any player. But he’s working hard.”

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:56 am EST

rf why not put kid k with gabby hayes?......the biggest part of the problem seems to point to veenyo......he needs to understand leadership. if he did mcd wouldn't be the captain.....he's lost as captain.....except for teaching a kid how to drive a Zamboni on a commercial.....I do not like waiting until game 41 or 60 for this team to get it's act together......and hank better start standing on his head instead of flapping his jaws.....they are abusing their fans......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:47 am EST

Reading the rags this AM and all are saying last night's loss is amongst the season's worse, if not THE worse. Problem is, we've seen this story too often this year. Changes needed, starting with some of the moves stevie is suggesting. I would add this: Farm out Hayes and bring up Lindberg. The lack of scoring from Hayes is making that line donut like.

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:43 am EST

stevie: Concur with most of your roster suggestions. AV, however, doesn't like physical, intimidating players. It's his MO. Fast forward to the end of the month and it the team is still mired in this mediocrity, he may have no choice.

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:42 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2014/12/07/rangers-red-wings-in-review-4/

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:41 am EST

With 27 games played, the Rangers are 1/3 the way into their season. AV and others early in the season said they'd have things figured out at the 1/4 season mark, which is 20 games. They are 4 - 4 - 2 the last 10 and not surprisingly, in a non-PO spot this morning. Pittsburgh and Vancouver up next, 2 tough opponents. Just what is this team? Are changes needed?

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:39 am EST

pa the word from gianone the 3rd stooge, veenyo is constantly screaming out orders to guys on the ice in a high pitched falsetto voice...that's got to be annoying, demotivating, confusing, and a hindrance to hockey instincts.....do it in practice, and bench guys for shifts to wttfu.......get glass back, send duke éclair to play with his peers, and start the skybox rotation.....bring Malone and big mac up, this team needs more emotion, and moof cow bell.......trade and / or send somebody down.......it's not brain surgery mr cerebral veenyo ...and stfu a little during the game...talk to them on the bench and on off days instead of reading computer stat metrics bs......and watching videos with popcorn ....try a bag skate today......and fix the damn lines already it's game 26....and tell ah-kneel he's no longer the pp coach, he's clueless.......get some more ulf nastiness to rub off......roll 4 lines no matter what the score is......play 7 d...do something.....doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results is the definition of insanity...not the santa-ty claus....maybe they can al go xmas shopping together today for some team bonding, but black Friday style knocking each other over to get whatever the new scarce toy is at kidrus.....and then start to act like men......and a TEAM......

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:26 am EST

Hanzal!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:15 am EST

Slap Shots has been told the current ownership has directed GM Don Maloney to shed payroll … which would mean stripping the club with the league’s third-lowest payroll into a bare-bones operation. Who could be going in addition to Keith Yandle (at $5.2 million per season through next year)? Not Shane Doan? Not Oliver Ekman-Larsson? The equally pertinent question, though, is which will come first: the end of the NHL’s financial problems in the desert or the end of Coyotes? Actually, it’s not so much a pertinent question as a rhetorical one.................http://nypost.com/2014/12/06/devils-need-a-nosedive/ ............

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 9:14 am EST

Just a comment on the Coach; ilya mentioned perhaps the need for a motivator. I've never cared for "cerebral" coaches on any level other THAN the ability to analyze through adversity, in other words, more "in the room" so to speak. I like a coach with fire that exudes an "I'll go to war" mentality. AV with Torts' temper? I'd take that!

pa.rangersfan


Sun Dec 7 2014 8:05 am EST

“Who knows why,” Boyle said. “We’re just not getting that consistency out of everybody and our team game. But nobody knows why.”....the damn coach should......and fix this nonsense......bench somebody......time for chateau bow wow.....no extra forwards leads to this bs.......kid k biting on his glove like a 5 year old......who's in front of the net or crashing it?....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:43 am EST

Sather looking for a forward but wants lop-sided deal says a leage exec per Garrioch. Gotta figure based on that, Duclair is gone this week, and Malone might never get another look.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:01 am EST

"Wasnt" a perfect mix.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 7:00 am EST

I heard Stepan had a cross-ice pass intercepted and cleared 5-3. Shouldnt happen but when its really 5-2 cause of a broken stick its horrible. Let'm beat Pittsburgh and everyone can take a step back from ledge. But 25 games in, we see things missing. As expected, knew it was a perfect mix.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 6:55 am EST

Guess halak is beatable too... Maybe Marty will be a fishstink.... He'll be their whale....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 7 2014 6:52 am EST

Two points from last night: the Wings were able to ise the puck 3 times during a 47 second 5 on 3......thats total lack of passion and effort on our part......completely out hustled and outworked......Kreider was killed in the video repley for taking the wrong approach to the Wings goal, but what was never mentioned was MSL never broke a sweat getting back......brutal

jnyr


Sun Dec 7 2014 6:47 am EST

Main issue is confidence Ola. I dont think kreiders has played so poorly, but his lack of physicality alarms me. Think he dialed it back since that last misconduct-ejection & hasnt been good since. Only listened last night, gonna watch now. But it doesnt help jump start a guy, a top 6 guy who scored a lit of slot goals on the PP last year. This year he has one.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 4:28 am EST

After Kreider's performance the last months I don't think the main issue is if he is getting PP time or not... The kids need to start to contribute -- somehow. Right now he is a 100% passenger and that's not acceptable from a top 2 line forward...

Ola


Sun Dec 7 2014 4:25 am EST

After my initial disgust, I was comforted by a few thoughts: 1) Scott Stevens was also once briefly a Blue. 2) Brodeur has neither a NTC nor a NMC. 3) Armstrong has been quoted, hinting that Brodeur will be moved once Elliott is back and in form. The whole thing reeks of a market/tickets move.

Messier11


Sun Dec 7 2014 2:55 am EST

Tough weekend to be Mess11, with Uncle Fatso piled on top.

LeoS


Sun Dec 7 2014 1:22 am EST

AV post-game interview: http://www.msg.com/teams/rangers/games/game.2014120605.html

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:34 am EST

RF: yeah, I can hear him now, "excuse em moi mon amis, excuse em moi." He's probably threatening them with some Fois Grois & Brie... As for Torts, no effin thank you, he'd be runnin the top 6 and top two pair into the ground.. He would have ripped Kreider a new bung-holio on TV though... I think to win in today's NHL you have to have some grit to add to your finesse game, and play solid defensive hockey... WTF do I know? Not much about hockey, but losing is for losers....

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:30 am EST

Its hard to resist this madness when it cranks up. Nash 4 Hall! Night.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:27 am EST

Who let you out of your room? go to sleep you little angel!

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:26 am EST

RF: I was bustin on Kreider all night, Mr. RR came to his defense during the last posts... Guess it's time to go watch tape & learn from this one...

mf


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:25 am EST

Too late RF HA. Just saw that now lol.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:22 am EST

Rf stick to your little Kill Sather franchise & lemme alone. MF, maybe Kreiders a manchurian candidate?. You guys dont get it, I do it almost tongue in cheek. Its not that big a deal. Everybody gets hot/cold ( the reason I get on MSL is his droughts are getting longer and again, his stature keeps him out there). I like everybody we've got. We could use more but ill support the army we have. They lost a game. Talbot cant pitch only shutouts & Det was due. Id be more concerned how we're not locking up leads this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:22 am EST

Curious about what Duclair learned tonight....

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:20 am EST

Rangers 20th overall after tonight. Pack lost again. Sather SUCKS!

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:17 am EST

ilya: Or perhaps there's simply a lack of overall talent??

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:16 am EST

I dunno, sometimes I wonder maybe we need a kick ass coach like torts? Something's missing right now, Av is not a motivator , they need no nonsense guy.

ilya


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:14 am EST

RR: OOhhh....you're defending him, I think. If so, my bad and ignore my post.

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:13 am EST

BTW, the coach called out the team (not sure if he specified particular players) for 'lazy back-checks' on the Winigs first 2 goals. Seems to me this dude has been calling out his players for like 4 weeks. Time to look in the mirror maybe?

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:09 am EST

RR: You really need to think about getting all snot-nosed about the posts I do that you disagree with when you post something like 'Kreider's lazy brain & low intellect must be how he learned 5 languages, that he taunts goalies Iin MFing russian.Maybe hes dogging it again, or faking an injury?'. I cite that particular one because you've been defending Kreider his hockey brain and passing ability and whatever. I mean, really????

RF4L


Sun Dec 7 2014 12:06 am EST

FIRE SATHER!

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:53 pm EST

Kid K left a man wide open 5 feet from our net.. Sometimes you got to commit to getting out of position because of a defensive breakdown elsewhere. He stood there like a statue, commit and force them to complete a pass... Those 5 languages did us a world of good tonight, maybe he was talking to "Flipper?" Good night you old man. :-)

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:47 pm EST

you cover that man who was feet from the goal & force him to make a pass if he gets the puck..... We took the momentum away from the Wings which they controlled the first 5 or so minutes of the game, and Kreider's stoney-brain gave it right back to them... I don't care how much he can dead-lift of how hard he can shoot.... Dock his pay for tonights effort.. Was there any effort there tonight?

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:44 pm EST

Kreider's lazy brain & low intellect must be how he learned 5 languages, that he taunts goalies Iin MFing russian.Maybe hes dogging it again, or faking an injury? Im going to bed.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:43 pm EST

Seems to me Kreider doesn't want to play defense, let him clean toilets. AFAIC, He's a Phuckin Prima Dona snot nose ..

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:35 pm EST

Cant find Kreiders PP time tonight except he's avging 1-min vs Det. The guy's cold, there cant be excuses. Hes also on pace for 43 pts, so lets not get nuts. When Lundqvist says a guy has hardest shot on team yet hes never in a shoiters spot on the PP, nor used by the coach in a shootout, well, are they really doing all they can to get him going? Keep going back to MSL, who's again whiffing like Dave Kingman on that PP AV, while Zuc & Kreider get cold on the bench.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:30 pm EST

….... Next, what's with this Coach’s thinking?? Is he some kind of pacifist? European or Union worker mentality where you & your men are allowed to take 2-3 breaks between the start of day & lunch & then another 2-3 breaks before quitting time, in essence working half a day? (.500) Maybe he thinks we should run like one of these under-powered good on gas, economical little put-put car’s… Aveeno, I got news for you, Little Jimmy Silverspoon doesn’t care how much effin money you spend on the company credit card, burn up as much high octane premium as you can and add a little Nitrous while you’re at it…Jimmy Dolan wants to Win & so do we! ….. You have the components to assemble a high performance Muscle Car with a ton of horse power and you act like you can only afford a couple of leters of petrol. Fuck that shit! This is NY City America, home of the plenty with plenty more behind us and plenty ahead of us, grow a pair and get angry.......... Here’s the deal Froggy it’s simple, start with Kreider glued to the 3rd line with Hayes, Dom Moore is your 4th line pivot, call up Malone and explain what you expect from him within his limitations, explain what you want and are looking for and give the man a good couple of games to acclimate, but damn it man, let him bring his game to the rink, find a compromise, it’s there to be found… He brings components this line up doesn’t have…. Next: 5 or 6 of the following 6, Nash, MSL, STEPAN, BRASSARD, MZA, Hagelin are your top six for the next game, and then you have Fast / Stempniak for the final spot. The leftover plays 3rd line with Hayes & Kreider, not so terrible with a threat to bury the biscuit.. … DuClaw sits or goes to play with his peers, enough with this ruse already. Glass is out sick, so he sits too.. AND, I would not fault you if you dressed both Fast & Stempniak & benched Krieder for tonights lack of effort that he put in… Was he fuckin stoned? Out late last night or the night before. Give him a blood test…. … (I need to come up for air) The only good thing that came out of all this shite is Mary Landrieu lost too! .............Two-Forty Four, Fifty-Four, Thirty one, hut hut hut !!!! hahahahahahahaha :-) I need a drink!

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:19 pm EST

We must have hired the great Perry Pearn when noone was paying attention... Was a Solar Powered Power Play during a night game, must have been one of those Winter Solstice Polar Vortex Liberal Phenomenon that Al Gore Identified after he created the internet... Absolutely mind boggling its so advanced.......... Geeeeee Zusssss!

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:06 pm EST

MF - All the penalties/PP, and then trying to desperately score after the PP failures impacted the 3rd period TOI big time

Hospo


Sat Dec 6 2014 11:00 pm EST

JT Miller was credited with 3 hits, 2 of which were quite substantial & had it been a home game, the Garden would have roared. JT Miller made a nifty little close range pass in traffic in the 1st or 2nd period too, his reward, let’s cut his minutes for playing physical & being engaged….

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:59 pm EST

I'm beginning to think that Kreider doesn't have the hockey intelligence to play on the top two lines of this team for two reasons: 1) our other guys are miles above him in the hockey IQ department, specifically; MSL, Nash, Stepan, Brassard, MZA, and Hagelin 2) he's got a lazy brain! ..... Get him down to the 3rd line, ..... Kreider, should be hand washing jock straps in Wool-lite for that performance…..DEMOTE this Prima Dona….. He was credited with 1 check all evening....

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:45 pm EST

JFC - Not sure I agree that STEP has been excellent...The problem isn't the top line or the bottom line...to me, it's the other lines that should be providing the additional scoring....Hard to do if they aren't on the same page...AV HAs no clue right about his lines...Hard to score also when everything is from the perimeter and dirty goals seem to be avoided at all costs

Hospo


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:41 pm EST

MELVILE FRED - Without a doubt we will make the POs,,..Do we have to make a bet again?

Hospo


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:38 pm EST

Im sorry, I disagree with AV quite a bit. But when cant score essentially 5-2 when a gut's broken his stick, after you blew a 2-goal lead, thats not the coach. Then again, not mixing up yoyr personnel is the coach. Idk but I knew its be time to rip it down lol.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:37 pm EST

In the 3rd period: Miller-3 shifts1:57, TOI 8:17....Fast-3 shifts 2:04, TOI 8:18...Hayes-5 shifts 3:03 TOI 10:31....Moore-6 shifts 3:27, TOI 11:50...Stemp-6 shifts 3:06, TOI 11:03...Hags-4 shifts 2:52, TOI 11:12.....AV loads up all the icetime in the same top 6 over and over regardless of the results. Aside said several times before, there is no 3rd or 4th line, just a bottom 6. Moore regularly gets more ice than Hayes and icetime is limited in the bottom 2, that's it. NASH deserves whatever ice he gets....he's been fantastic. Stepan has been excellent considering how long he was out and Brass has been fairly consistent....but Imthink guys are getting stale and complacent because they don't have any fear of losing minutes, of losing icetime. As the Cars once sang, " SHAKE IT UP!"

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:36 pm EST

Right now they are 2 pts out of the 3rd Divison spot with a game in hand; 3 pts out of the 2nd wildcard spot. Last year after 25 games..13-12.

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:28 pm EST

Anybody think we make the playoffs?

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:27 pm EST

I dunno, sometimes I wonder maybe we need a kick ass coach like torts? Something's missing right now, Av is not a motivator , they need no nonsense guy.

ilya


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:19 pm EST

Time to bring back Ron Low

Bob


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:17 pm EST

The good news is tomorrow I get to watch my Giants!

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:06 pm EST

Not that it matters but did the 4th line play in the 3 rd period?

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:02 pm EST

Some really good players but need a coach to push and coach them. Veeno is not it. The young guys need coaching not a grandfather

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:00 pm EST

Malone isn't getting a chance here. He is not small thin and fast. Just like McIlrath. they are not an AV player.

KIS


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:59 pm EST

kreider will never realize his potential here. he need a coach like babcock or maybe a keenan type. he has no confidence right now. since he was getting called for the roughing penalties and the coach did nothing for him he has become a shell of a player. he doesn't turn and go to the net. he flies down the side and flips a wrist shot from the outside of the circle. he doesn't hit anybody into the border. he doesn't get involved. coach doesn't help him or back him so he has become nothing; zucc has become nothing and he is getting frustrated. you can see that because every game he makes a stupid penalty. why not put him on the PP. He is smart, creative, makes great passes and has great vision. Yet he doesn't go on the PP. what happen with mille? Was his check on his last shift to good? was it that he actually checked somebody and that isn't allowed on the Ranger team? I don't get it. his team is in trouble. they had off 5 days and this was the effort thay came up with. Right now this team wont make the playoffs.

KIS


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:55 pm EST

Bob: we sit at 20th in the league, 10th in the conference, & tied for 3rd/4th in the division, don't think .500 is gonna cut it for us this season... frggin bunch of lillies come out & play 30 minutes of a 60 minute game just like their record...... .500

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:51 pm EST

0-7 pp is enough for me ... Stop practicing the pp ... It's perfect now....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:50 pm EST

No sense adding to the very appropriate misery and bitch fest as the WALL has things well in hand......Moving forward though, something has to be done about lines 2 and 3 mainly because there is ZERO chemistry amongst Stepan and St Louis and Kreider...ZERO..And let's face it, though the third line can have some moments, it's generally a negative (and I am not blaming them for the Rangers funk)...At the least,HAGS deserves more ice than Kreider.. I would at least switch those two...And you know my feeling abolut HAYES outside the offensive zone....Might be time to give MALONE or somebody a shot......Just rambling.

Hospo


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:44 pm EST

the sad part is nothing will change. Sather has sucked for so long and there is 0 Accountability! Our boys just skate along...having fun together (see twitter, instagram) and don't worry about practicing !!!

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:43 pm EST

The de-roids have a real coach... The nyr do not at this point... This is déjà vu all over again... Almost 1/3 of the season and not really even a .500 team except for ot so gifts.... Fix the fin lines already... McD is lost turning into captain Valium leetch....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:42 pm EST

Will a .500 record get us into the playoffs? That's what we have. A .500 team.

Bob


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:41 pm EST

The force has an effect on the weak minded. This club is incredibly weak minded. Good thing we have the world's greatest GM at the helm with his contract for life.

Bob


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:40 pm EST

25 games played....no need for any further analysis. Time to make a trade or make some type of shakeup. 25 games...no consistency. 25 games....too many guys not playing up to par. 25 games....time for a change.

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:38 pm EST

this team is a fucking joke right now. just horrible. same shit on the PP for how many years. this team has NO balls. they need somebody not so cerebral.

KIS


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:38 pm EST

Time for Sather to start making some decisions on a few of the pending UFA's. No need to name, but some of these guys won't be worth what they are asking for. This is a counter-punching Club that lacks the necessary players to force play. Not a winning formula.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:37 pm EST

I made the mistake of thinking the team in the 1st period was the nyr... That was them in the last two periods... A disgrace...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:36 pm EST

I hate this freaking team! I waste my time watching hoping someone will rise and lead this team. Our coach does nothing to motivate them and they skate around waiting for something to happen. I am paying to see them in Carolina and am thinking of selling my tickets. Why waste time and money on this shit? They have so much fun together in the off days maybe thats where they need to be. Hags, Kreider, Zucc, MSL, MCD nothing! Boyle? We lost too much from last year and Veeno doesn't know how to answer

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:35 pm EST

They are not an opportunistic team...can't score an empty net goal; can't score when they pull the goalie; can't clear a puck. They basically suck.

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:33 pm EST

They are the worst team I have ever seen with the goalie pulled. Whenever another team has the goalie pulled all hell breaks loose. The Rangers have trouble just getting the goalie pulled to begin with and forget about gaining the zone and getting a clean shot.

LetsGoRangers


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:33 pm EST

No playoffs this year......no chance.

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:31 pm EST

Hank should be happy to get to sit this garbage out... Early gift wrapped Xmas present for de- roid...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:29 pm EST

It looks like they quit a lot of nights. This team has no edge. They are in a lot of trouble.

LetsGoRangers


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:28 pm EST

Bring Malone up he'll stand in front of the net on the pp instead this bs perimeter need a clean shot shit...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:26 pm EST

And it looks like they have quit for the night....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:25 pm EST

And we didn't sign Stralman for this piece of crap....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:25 pm EST

This team sucks. They are in the bottom 3rd in the overall league standings, the can't score on back to back 5 on 3 PP and they can't beat anybody but the Flyers who suck. They are going on a tough road trip and it's very possible they could lose every game since they can't beat anybody good. They could come back in last place.

LetsGoRangers


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:24 pm EST

Truly embarrassing

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:24 pm EST

Deference?...What about Boyle killing at least a minute screwing up again and again and meathead keeps him out there....0-7 on PP....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:24 pm EST

Waited six fucking days for this??!!

jratelle19


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:23 pm EST

Have never seen a team so inept for that long with a two man advantage....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:22 pm EST

St Louis bang in home those one-timers again, eh? Listening, glad I didn't have to see this. Why is MSL even the trigger there? Deference, that's why.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:22 pm EST

Pathetic....it's almost like they are scared not to give it to MSL...like he's demanding the puck. Then he gets it twice and misses....once with the whole top of the net open. NASH is the sniper....he's the one who should be demanding the puck

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:20 pm EST

This team is clueless 5 on 3... Great job ah- kneel ... Resign as pp coach...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:20 pm EST

We are going to lose this game....What a heartless team this is....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:20 pm EST

nice play by Zucc.....

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:19 pm EST

geezus, my water's gonna break

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:19 pm EST

Unbelievable....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:18 pm EST

Get Boyle off the ice AV you meathead....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:17 pm EST

Fu bab-cock

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:16 pm EST

does our coaching staff know how to coach a 5-3??????

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:16 pm EST

5 on 3 again... The Hockey G-ds can't make it much better for us... C'mon Rangers

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:16 pm EST

Can we get set up 5-3????

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:16 pm EST

Way to piss away a 5 on 3....Boyle screwed the pooch on that one and they never recovered. Now another 5 on 3.... WE NEED TO SCORE!!!

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:16 pm EST

Oh good..more 5 on 3 fumbling around.

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:15 pm EST

A disgrace is an understatement...

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:15 pm EST

Boyle is costing us this game....What a joke...

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:14 pm EST

This is disgraceful

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:14 pm EST

Wtf 5-3 curse

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:14 pm EST

Boyle & his Boils are stinkin up the place

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:14 pm EST

Let's see how many more bad passes on the PP Stepan can make.

LetsGoRangers


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:11 pm EST

5 on 3 Rangers with a 4 minute minor

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:08 pm EST

PP Rangers

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:07 pm EST

Where the hell was Boyle going?????

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:06 pm EST

Zucc has been terrible

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:06 pm EST

Just phriggin wonderful.....

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:06 pm EST

Way to go Boyle you f'ing waste of space....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:01 pm EST

Should be 4-2 instead 2-2.... Dickaletti and gianone cursed the prince on shutout, and Dickie says linesman was right on offsides ... 2 blind squirrels .....the guy wishes the nyr shit the bed...: he has to be shipped back to fish stinks. ... He stinks....he's an opposition appeaser...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:50 pm EST

We dominated 15 minutes of that 2nd quarter IMO (for you opinionista's) I thought Staal was sucking thew chrome off a couple of lug nuts the 1st quarter, but he played a terrific 2nd quarter... Then we go ahead & take some bong hits, WTF?

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:48 pm EST

MCD: I'm thinking that the weight of the "C" is the straw breaking this Irishman's back.... As for Coach Aveeno Oatmeal Bath, allow me to pull the band-aid off quickly & mop up the mess/confusion... DuClaw is 19, send him to his peer-league to dominate.. It's time to evaluate a couple of guys 2 to 3 years older than him, namely Miller / Fast / Hayes... Glass sits until "I" say so :-)... So for now, Miller, Fast, Stempniak stay, and if Kreider fucks up again, he can write a 10,000 word report about the defensive responsibilities of a LW'er.... fuckin nimrod....

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:41 pm EST

And what is wrong with McD?....He is lost out there.....

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:39 pm EST

Oops Its not like he's not getting an opportunity

ilya


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:38 pm EST

They should sit Kreider or move him down with Hayes and put Miller in his spot. AV starting to,puss me off with his no-accountability attitude towards vets. Icetime should be earned, not inherited. Several Walsters have been talking about putting him with Hayes and putting Duke in his spot. AV needs to shake up the top 6

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:35 pm EST

Kreider....WTF....Horrible...

PJ


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:35 pm EST

Either Kreids gets his shit together or send him to the minors it's not like his being given an opportunity to succeed he's getting top six minutes !

ilya


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:33 pm EST

Looks like we will shit the bed!

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:32 pm EST

Hags has fared no better. Zucc, Hags, and Kreider need to sit one game each. No urgency with these 3 underachievers

rngrsans


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:30 pm EST

there we go, 2-2 just like that... fuckin Kreider should be sent to the showers

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:29 pm EST

Kreider with the brain farts.. wtf

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:26 pm EST

The really need to do something with that vendor that is constantly blocking our view :)

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:03 pm EST

Just wanted to say I really like this Hayes kid. Just a real solid player. So good being so young is kinda scary. If Miller had half his hockey smarts, he'd be an all star.

limbo


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:58 pm EST

Klein is a steal at $2.9mill & signed for 3 more seasons after this one.. Can't understand folks around here throwing his name out so frivolously in trade.... As for Nash, all but 2 or 3 of his goals have been from the left side of the right goal post... Last year, he won the Mr. Perimeter award and seemed glued to the right side of the ice... Welcome back Mr. Nash, your trade value has never been higher! :-)

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:47 pm EST

Klein's found his offensive voice and confidence in last year's playoffs and he's carried it right into this season. That trade was a steal by Sather. Klein set the tone for that period starting with the PK. He was great. NASH has regained his sniper mentality for sure....he expects tons ore when he gets in scoring situations and the confidence shows

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:46 pm EST

should be 4 zip but I'll take 2-0.....after 1.....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:38 pm EST

ha ha ha :-)

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:36 pm EST

MF: After Monday's game they don't want me near them :)

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:34 pm EST

NN, the team left you home tonight? WTHeck? ;-)

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:33 pm EST

Sweeeeeet Nash

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:33 pm EST

NASHTY!!!

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:24 pm EST

Kevin Klein doing it all tonight.

DOUBLEN


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:14 pm EST

Yet another undisciplined penalty...unbelievable

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:13 pm EST

Methinks JT Miller better have a very good game tonight or that short leash is gonna get yanked hard

JFC31


Sat Dec 6 2014 6:01 pm EST

We've beaten Wings 5 straight. Following usual trends when sonmeone is dumb enough to point it out lol, We'll be trading everyone before midnight. Sather sucks in advance.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Dec 6 2014 5:54 pm EST

MFred: very true.. I think J.Moore is a healthy "scratch" tonight in favor of "Dan Mumpy Boils" & his Calamine lotion..... We'd better win I'm gonna blow gasket! ;-)

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 5:49 pm EST

mf....yeah that's it......LOL! So many guys not playing up to their potential it's ridiculous....ZUC, Kreider, J. Moore, McDonagh, Hank, Haglin, JT Miller....man no wonder we're struggling.

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 5:27 pm EST

MFred, perhaps cause Les' Frogs get to play Saturday nights at home to keep their whiners "jolie."

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 5:25 pm EST

MacT had all season to sign Uncle Fatso..

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 5:19 pm EST

....ok, old age re-set....I forgot we're playing the Red Wings. Why I thought it was the Canadian's.....only god knows. Just hope that after a week of no games they don't shit the bed. I'll be at Monday's game. Stevie and anybody else let me know if you're going to be there.

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 4:18 pm EST

Maaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Beats the fishsticks.WOOOOTT WOOOOTT WOOOOOOTT!!

rangerlou


Sat Dec 6 2014 4:08 pm EST

Incidentally...saw Kyle CHIPCHURA on waivers....remember he was a Wall darling of someone during that draft.

tdchi


Sat Dec 6 2014 3:37 pm EST

Dallas has given up more goals than any other team in the league..

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 3:32 pm EST

evets: I like that trade too and concur that the Russian kid likely isn't available. However, I think you're asking a lot for the Stars to trade for 2 pending UFAs....

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 3:10 pm EST

Re the Dallas Stars interest in Marc Staal... I don't think there is ANY chance the Stars even consider moving Nichushkin. Therefore, if it gets to a point where it realistically doesn't seem like the Rangers would be able to sign Staal, I would try to move him to Dallas with possibly another piece (maybe Zuccarello if they don't think they can (or don't want to) sign him) for Jaimie Oleksiak (as has been previously mentioned), Julius Honka (right handed, offensive defenseman), and a 2015 first rounder.

evets1980


Sat Dec 6 2014 2:26 pm EST

TD: Re the Pack; Fair enough. I'm just disappointed in that they are headed for yet another non-PO season yet again. I had higher hopes and those hopes were kindled before the season started when both Fast and Miller were pencilled in the Rangers starting lineup. Then again, trading away a multitude of picks compromises the feeder system that cannot be properly compensated by signing collegiate unrestricted, undrafted free agents. The main farm is inevitably negatively impacted, so perhaps it was my mistake for expecting anything more than what we are seeing. Again.

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 2:21 pm EST

I'm gonna take issue if we don't play defense tonight. Our GAA is 2.917, so theoretically we need to score 3 and hold the Wings to our GAA to win... The Rangers need top play a complete 60 minutes tonight, none of this BS that they're rusty. Detroit finds ways to win...

mf


Sat Dec 6 2014 1:40 pm EST

RF4L - I'm gonna take issue with your Pack bashing here...first of all, realize they lost their two BEST offensive players...one and then the other...imagine what the Rangers would be like if they suddenly didn't have NASH and STEPAN...Would they still win? Maybe...but it'd be a tough haul...Make no mistake, FAST and MILLER were crucial parts of the Pack...second, you picked a real strange game to bash them over...the Pack was down 5-zip after the first and came back within one...went down two, and then brought it back within one...If you watch the broadcast, the Crunch announcers are in friggin' disbelief...I've said this about Gernander's club: The NEVER quit. Right up until the last minute, they were in that game...and that's impressive. Most hockey teams would basically give up after going down 5-0...And their top problem is, as it's been, DEFENSE..their defense is just awful...the rest of the team, however, is pretty good.

tdchi


Sat Dec 6 2014 1:09 pm EST

@AGrossRecord Ranger Rants: Link to today's Record as game in Detroit means Hunwick sees wife, young son for first time since Sept. http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/ …

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 1:08 pm EST

@AGrossRecord Henrik Lundqvist says the plan is for him to start on Monday against the Penguins.

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 10:48 am EST

RF4L - Can't recall what I said. I do remember being somewhat underwhelmed...but that's not the case any more...I like the squad they have...good combo of skill and toughness...I'll say this about the Americans: They may very well be the biggest team at the World Juniors...They're going to be men skating against boys. The question will be can they match the skill of Team Canada.

tdchi


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:49 am EST

Fred: Rangers are playing the Wings tonight....???

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 9:26 am EST

Is tonight the 1st home game for Montreal since the passing of Jean Beliveu (sp)? If the answer is yes I'm not to optimistic.

MelvilleFred


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:57 am EST

Pack, BTW, in a non-PO spot. Good job Sather!

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:53 am EST

Skapski lets 3 goals in in the first 3:44 minutes and gets pulled and the Pack go to lose 6 - 5 last night. Tallinder 1 shot and then 0's across the board. Malone a +1 with a goal (and 4 shots). Pack suck.

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 8:42 am EST

Wild: Lately he has been sitting more than playing - 3 consecutive pressbox games. You and I can and should agree to disagree on this subject. History is on my side and I've cited it numerous times (and of course you weakly attempt to poke holes in it). I am hoping he goes to the WJC then back to Quebec where, IMO, he belongs. FIRE SATHER!

RF4L


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:53 am EST

SPECIAL TEAMS The Rangers are tied for first in the NHL in games with at least one power play goal and one shorthanded goal (seven) since the start of the 2013-14 season.

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:52 am EST

POINTS AMONG HEAD COACHES IN NHL HISTORY 22. Glen Sather – 1,122 23. Roger Neilson – 1,082 24. Dave Tippett – 1,073 T-25. Alain Vigneault – 1,062 T-25. Brian Sutter – 1,062

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:46 am EST

a little double talk veenyo?.....“Obviously you can’t do this, but if you were to take the three Tampa [Bay] games out of the equation, Hank’s game is pretty good,” Vigneault said, referring to Lundqvist’s total of 14 goals ceded to a handful of his old teammates in the three contests with the first-place Lightning. “For whatever reason, against Tampa it was a tougher challenge, a tougher team, highest-scoring team in the league. But his numbers were real good other than those three games.” Vigneault was adamant this break will give Lundqvist some time to regroup with goalie coach Benoit Allaire, and the hope is he can come back refreshed. “This just gives him an opportunity — and he doesn’t get a lot of these — to spend some quality time with Ben before practice [and] after practice,” Vigneault said. “So he’s going to get a longer stretch here, and we’re going to use that stretch to help him out.” .....help?.....pretty good?....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:42 am EST

“Any time you can bring rings into your locker room, it’s a big advantage,” Blues coach Ken Hitchcock told reporters.

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 7:41 am EST

another henrik?....forget that...... @HawkCrawford Henrik Tallinder set to make @WolfPackAHL debut tonite in Syracuse. Mackenzie Skapski (@Skaps29) gets the start in net. #HWP

stevielegs


Sat Dec 6 2014 4:27 am EST

With you Stevie, though I still think he can play a regular role; Bugsy scored for the Pack tonight. He can definitely help himself there. Id also like to see some others get a look. 25 games in we know what our depth guys bring. But weve got good lookin kids down there. Even Bourque deserves a few games imo.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:00 pm EST

Malone is a guy they will need down the stetch and the playoffs. He's experienced .... Perfect blue ace...

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 10:15 pm EST

Coyotes just acquired the other Samuelsson kid, trading Klinkhammer and a pick for him. Do they make a play for Ulf next season? Chipchura (Arizona) and Brunner (Jersey) on waivers

Messier11


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:44 pm EST

Funny enough but as bad as we need muscle, the guy who might've given us a few more wins right now could have been Lombardi. We sure needed centers there for a while and a sudden threat type. If he was one of the fastest guys in the league like we hoped for, would've been a jolt cause the guy could score (once). Oh well. And I didn't mean to sound like hayes is on his way out or should be. Think he's settling in more & more and theyre mostly happy.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:32 pm EST

I too don't wish to give up hope that Malone returns to the line-up.. Once the physicality heats up later in the season and into the playoffs, I'm afraid we're gonna find ourselves devoid in that department.. "IF" Stempniak or Fast prove redundant, or faulter, and Glass is still out, (lotta IF's there) Malone can be brought in, and then we have Malone & Miller in the line-up... Instant Grit with a whole nutha look to the line-up, and I like it.....

mf


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:22 pm EST

Will be interesting to see what happens. If Malone did get in, he might force AV's hand. I think it was a combination of things that landed Malone in Hartford (like Stepan's injury, which may have helped keep Duclair here). I don't think he's finished here yet. It'd seem like awfully harsh treatment for a guy who was not only on the comeback trail, but had a good camp when he played. If they do need a forward it's more likely a center now for Hayes than a wing, unless they want to change up with mix. Otherwise Nash-Kreider-MSL-Zuc are your Top 4 wingers. If they have too much of the same in Fast-Stempniak then maybe they try to add wing; Haglein could always move to the right for a Ladd for instance. On balance Im not sure how much good that would do; depends on the cost. Otherwise to go towards the playoffs and Malone, DuClair, Lindberg, Haggerty, Miller & Glass and whoever else we pick up as the pool of guys you'll count on doesn't sound half bad.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 7:29 pm EST

I don't think AV wants any part of Malone...never did, never will. That's why he's in Hartford. AV had plenty of chances to use him and decided that a 19 year-old speedster with no NHL experience was a better option....then a 23 year old Swede, then a 21 year old with jitters. AV wants skaters, not grinders. Unless we hit the skids big time or we get hit with simultaneous injuries to multiple forwards, I don't think we'll see Malone. He's in the Land of Misfit Toys.

JFC31


Fri Dec 5 2014 7:18 pm EST

Feels like Duke played half as many, which is why he needs to go. If weneed a forward, and we will, we should go get one (though sure wish Malone another long look; they just gonna bury the guy? Prefer to think it was a penance & health maintenance thing while they got Duclair ready). Hard to see getting somebody in-season that a better package potentially than Malone without it hurting - and not sure we can give up much without hurting, thereby forcing another move.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 7:03 pm EST

RF4L: Total BS on Duclair watching way more than playing. Yeah the last 2 (?) and the next one it looks like. But out of the first 24 games he has played 18. He sits the next he will still have only sat a few

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:34 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-gm-mactavish-says-everything-under-evaluation-1.152533

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:33 pm EST

@mirtle Tough times in Russia and the KHL. The ruble is tanking hard right now, to an exceptionally low number. pic.twitter.com/LtTCwr5On6

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:24 pm EST

Lundqvist has had enough, rallies erratic Rangers with speech....How about here, after 24 games, when the Rangers’ cornerstone goaltender, Henrik Lundqvist, decided to call over a couple of defensemen and have a little chat near the end of practice on Thursday.......“We know it’s important to get points now,” Lundqvist said. “We know we can’t just wait and get great at the end of the season. We want to get there as soon as we can.”......

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:12 pm EST

"cant have...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:11 pm EST

RF you mean he's blaming team indirectly? Thatd be a lucid point & good catch by you. R47, I hear you, push cane to shove though they walked over $. Already rich and getting richer no matter who they signed with, I can have sympathy that outpaces my sense of abandonment lol.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:00 pm EST

Funny that the King goes on record again about the Rangers erratic play, then learns he's not starting against the Wings. Surely a coincidence....yes?

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 5:56 pm EST

JF: I just did some quick research - teams until until Dec 25 to submit their final 22 man rosters; until then theoretically players can be added to any team. For those teenagers in the NHL and Duclair specifically, there's an earlier key date to consider: NHL rosters have to frozen by December 19 as part of the CBA to help avoid players being shuffled across the continent during Christmas. Therefore, the Rangers plans with Duclair will be evident by then. However, camp opens for Canada this Thursday and if the Rangers are planning on lending Duclair out, it's only fair to the Canadian team and Duclair himself to let him go then, IMO. I suppose the Rangers could hold out another week as a precaution against injuries on the wing occurring between the 11th and 19th. IMO, given the fact that he's watching way more than playing (which is just plain stupid), it's already been decided he's going, provided no sudden injuries (or mumps for that matter) crop up. The next question, if/when that happens, will be what happens when the tourney is over. I hope he goes back to Quebec. The boy needs to play hockey games for crying out loud.

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 5:49 pm EST

has= how's....got hospoitis.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 5:47 pm EST

is= if

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 5:46 pm EST

is sather signed those guys for what they got, or signed them as free agents.....mercenaries would be their names here......I hope he told them don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, let it hit your big heads.....that don't fit thru the door...( just like his doesn't ).....goodbye and good riddance......is delzero still getting scratched?......has dudi do doin?......spilt and spoiled milk......

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 5:26 pm EST

Rabid: I would not be so harsh with them, since it was their best career move to set themselves up for their future lives. Moreover, one could argue that Boyle and Stralman have a BETTER chance of getting back to the SCF with TB than the Rangers. I believe that if the Rangers were being "true to them", Sather would have offered them longer-term contracts well in advance of free agency. As fans we sometimes forget that it's a business, and it's the players LIFE in making their decisions for themselves and families. I do not begrudge them anything. Right now I'm mostly concerned about losing Staal in a similar way.

Ranger47


Fri Dec 5 2014 5:10 pm EST

Bob, those 3 players didnt want to finish what they started with a SCF team that gave all 3 of them a chance to rescue their careers & play in the league. LA gave up on Boyle, CBJs & NJDs gave up on Stralman, and I think it was 5 teams for Puliot. Sather offered them all contracts, like he offered Callahan, injured often & basically our 3rd line RW, over $30M How is it all on Sather when theyre all $ whores and leave the eastern conference champs? And again, as I alluded to, there were circumstances with BB, he wasnt coming back so to lump all 3 isnt exactly right.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 4:51 pm EST

The WJC has been telling JHS to drop dead for a few years now.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 4:50 pm EST

I apologize in advance, but I just can't help myself. When I consider the roster and the turnover, then I see GM's in Montreal (Gallagher) and in Dallas (Spezza) sign guys to reasonable contracts and see other GM's lock players up long term while Sather the "cap wizard" lets guys get close to or all the way to free agency and then pays the big bucks or loses them for nothing, it drives me crazy.

Bob


Fri Dec 5 2014 4:38 pm EST

The reason for my curiosity regarding Duclair & WJC is that I recall a Canadien hockey rep saying that the "drop dead" date for potential WJC players was December 9. Perhaps I'm notbrememberingnthe correct date.

JFC31


Fri Dec 5 2014 3:57 pm EST

Wild: Given the history of Canada vs Russia for hockey supremacy, it will be long time before international matches between those 2 countries won't have a special feeling, but for about the past 1/2 dozen years, Canada has viewed the US as they biggest rivals in terms of competitiveness. You guys have come a long way in a relatively short period of time and I concur you're only going to get better.

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 3:20 pm EST

schneidw: It was all over the place that the Rangers offered Stralman 3 year 3 mil per, but wouldn't give him a NTC or NMC to his liking. I don't think Stralman was going to sign for less, I know stability was his main concern, or one of them, but I think he and his agent knew that he would get offers from multiple teams with NMC/NTC and a higher salary than the Rangers would give...

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 3:05 pm EST

Fuck'm.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 3:04 pm EST

TDICH- Good point on Poulliot. I agree. I suppose my issue is that Sather could have locked both Stralman and Pouilliot for favorable deals, much lower $$$ than what they received in open UFA market, had he signed them during the year... I recognize the NYRs faced hard decisions wrt the salary cap...so lets see what happens with Staal...

schneidw


Fri Dec 5 2014 2:55 pm EST

Interesting we have 4 days off and our top goalie doesn't get the start in the next game....After blowing up against the Bolts I would believe Hank would be anxious to get back in....Oh well...

PJ


Fri Dec 5 2014 2:23 pm EST

Tdchi- Maybe I missed something, but you objected against my post on the EDM by referring to how well NYI are doing. One, I wanna see more than two good months from them. Two, there is a fundamental difference between how EDM and the NYI have been run. EDM have had like 6 of the top 9 forwards on the team being drafted during like the last 5 years. NYI have always done a fairly good job of getting some out of crap and building a team that never was a walk over. Then they certainly have been managed like crap but their brass but especially their owners (looking at the last 5 years). You know, my point is that there are very very very few relevant simularities between EDM and NYI.

Ola


Fri Dec 5 2014 2:01 pm EST

Cam Talbot's first NHL victory came in a 3-2 OT win at Detroit on Oct. 26, 2013. That was his second NHL start.

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:42 pm EST

RF4L: Exactly on Staal. If he sticks hard for 6 mil or more, he just wont fit. Not with Step, Hags, Moore, Zucc, and MSL all needing new deals. He is not McD, so he shouldn't get McD money, but if was at or about where McD and Giradi are I think they could figure a way to keep him. But he needs to get that deal done before the deadline. Otherwise Sather will only be able to get like a 2nd rounder for his rights, and thats not enough. As for the WJC and team USA, it really has been and continues to be only a matter of time before the US system starts churning out top players. Its simple math, a certain percentage of the population will have the skills needed to be a top level players, top level at WJC top 5 in the draft. Just the shear number of people in the USA vs Canada makes it so there is a better chance for more kids who can play that well. And if you look over the last few years, the under 18, 17, 16 whatever they all are tournaments have had the US with really good showings year in and year out. Eventually that find its way to the higher levels. Canada will never be so overwhelmed that they wont win, but the battles will become more and more epic as time goes on at all levels. I look forward to that.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:38 pm EST

AGrossRecord Per @BrettCyrgalis, who is at #NYR practice, it will be Cam Talbot in net tomorrow night vs. the Red Wings

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:08 pm EST

BTW, you Yanks are producing more and more skilled players - Bobby Mac feels you'll have 2 of the top 3 draft picks this June and another American is one of the favourites to go first overall June 2016...

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:07 pm EST

TD: If I recall correctly, after you looked at the US WJC camp list, you mused that they'll be in tough to challenge Canada. If so, Bob MacKenzie doesn't agree - he sees the US team ripe with talent and their biggest possible shortcoming will be inexperience. Here's his take: http://www.tsn.ca/talent/mckenzie-breaking-down-team-usa-s-world-junior-roster-1.149747

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:03 pm EST

Wild/TD/RR: If Staals want $6,000,000+ the Rangers simply cannot afford that, given their pending cap pain (next fall). I get his value to the current Rangers and their lofty cup ambitions, but Sather needs to have a little foresight here and ensure he doesn't walk next summer for nothing. JMHO...

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:00 pm EST

JFC: The camp's haven't opened yet - first day is this coming Thursday. It makes no sense IMO, to send him to his junior team for less than a week (travel, acclimatizing, etc). At this point, given his sparse playing time lately and the fact that Canada only has 2 right wingers on their official invite list, I believe he's destined for the WJC. This is a good thing and not just for the obvious (it's a fabulous tourney with ample learning opportunities), but also because he needs to play hockey games and he's not doing that much in NY lately.

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 12:10 pm EST

td: Agree on Staal. Like I said I wouldn't WANT him gone. But if he wants to be the highest paid Dman on the team, buy a million or so more than McD, he is nuts, and he will end up walking. If the money is more important than winning that he will be gone after this year for nothing. I know it would hurt the D, but thats why I think a Dman would have to come back, you wont get a Staal back, but that kid from the Stars would be a good start at keeping the D deep and good. But Hall, no thanks...not for Staal because there would be a MONSTER hole on the back end.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 12:08 pm EST

Staal, Kreider & Lundqvist!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 12:07 pm EST

JFC: I think they are still having him around for two reasons. 1- if there is an injury he will be in the lineup. and 2-They want to work with him as much as possible, and have the control, they can send him to the WJC team at any time. Its not like he needs to practice with them a lot to be effective, there is plenty of time. With all the practice time the Rangers had this week, and will have again next week (games on Monday and Saturday) they probably see a lot of benefit for him to hang around. I agree with that if its the case. After next week they could loan him, like the 12th or 13th and that would still give him almost 2 weeks before the first game to be with the WJC team.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 12:06 pm EST

Totally concur HALL would cost something like STAAL and KREIDER...and really, all that does is open up another hole for the Rangers...if the team needs anything, it's a power forward in his prime...a guy who can drop the gloves, score goals, and lay out big hits...essentially, they would be trading a guy who does some of that and then banking on someone like ALLEN to replace Staal, which is totally setting yourself up for failure...Rangers need to resign Staal. No questions about it. His departure would be the beginning of the end for our strong defense...and as lackluster as Kreider has been so far this year, it would be silly to trade him unless what you're getting back is too good to be true. Hall is close, but with Staal in the deal? Nope. No thanks.

tdchi


Fri Dec 5 2014 12:01 pm EST

RDW - LOL....yeah, that's what I figured. HALAK couldn't carry Hank's jock much less make the saves he does when the King is hot.

tdchi


Fri Dec 5 2014 12:01 pm EST

If Duclair isn't in the lineup tonight, you'd have to think that he's going to WJC. But, if that's the case, what are they waiting for? Are they keeping him until the last moment, just in case there's an injury? Are they keeping him because a possible trade might be in the works and they'll need him to take a spot (or to be traded)? Just weird that he'd still be here this late if he's not going to play.

JFC31


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:50 am EST

Ola - The Isles have a LONG history of tossing prospects into the deep end...In fact, I'm not even sure if you can say they're not STILL doing that with their first rounders...TAVARES just happened to be developed enough to swim...but from DiPIETRO to BAILEY to NEIDEREITER...Hell, they even started Griff REINHART in the NHL this year when the kid needed seasoning in the AHL...I'll say this: They've gotten better...They let STROME come along at the right pace...Ditto with Ryan POLUCK...Big difference between the two is that one team is savvy with its off-season moves and the other simply is not...how McT went into the season with SCRIVENS and FASTH as tenders is mindboggling. And on top of that, they've done nothing to help out the defense either...the difference between the two is that Snow finally realized he couldn't rely on just getting firepower up front and that he'd need to do something immediately to correct the back end. McT kind of half-assed his team in the hopes that just throwing more first rounders into the mix will fix things...Make no mistake, neither GM should have a job...but where as Snow seemed to learn from his mistakes, McT just keeps making them over and over again...Like the GAGNER situation...the minute they drafted YAKUPOV, they should have moved Gags...Could have gotten a very good player for him. Instead, they got PURCELL, who had one good season and is way over rated...Then they go after PERRON instead of looking for D, which was quite clearly what they needed...I mean, think of it this way: They could have done exactly what the Isles did...Imagine the Oilers with HALAK in net and a blueline plus LEDDY and BOYCHUK. That team wouldn't be where it is now if you threw those three players in there...and vice versa, you take those players of the Isles and that team would be hovering around the basement right now.

tdchi


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:47 am EST

The simple math on Staal is the Rangers are striving for a Cup, and you don't deal your No. 3 d-man when you do that, cause you cant replace him at this (or usually, any) point of the season. Staal knows he's getting Girardi money; now the Rangers have to get it out there that they'll consider dealing him - just like Girardi - if he doesn't sign. Both sides know; just a little urging to gett'er done. Brooks has to do his part, say Rangers give up their Cup aspirations if they cant sign Staal. It's far removed from the Cally situation and all a game imo.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:27 am EST

Higgy: You would have to add in a RW from the Rangers, or move one some other way. Too many RWs on the team and up and coming. MSL, Zucc, Duclair...all 3 are top 9/top 6. Maybe it ends up being Staal and Zucc both being moved if they can't get them signed.Getting the two young big guys from the Stars would help people get over losing two popular players for sure. Don't think the Stars would do that though....

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:21 am EST

We definitely would have to get Valeri Nichushkin

Higgy21


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:19 am EST

Wild: I was being sarcastic in regards to Hank/Halak. Certain people here just can't wait to jump on Hank so I'm just stirring the pot a bit. I'm sure they will be pining for him once he's gone

RDW


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:11 am EST

RF4L: That is probably the realistic path. conditional based on Staal signing. UNLESS they let Staal and the Stars talk to get a deal done before hand. Like set the deal up for the players and a 2nd, and if within a 24 period they get a deal done its a 1st....but thats very complex...so the 2016 2nd if he doesn't sign and an 2016 first if he does. I would like that better anyway, would give the Rangers 2 first rounders in 2016.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:06 am EST

Wild: I like that line of thinking. Sather, if he's talking with Dallas, should be asking for that kid plus a draft pick, perhaps a conditional - it's a 2nd if he's not resigned and a 1st if he is (which would surely be 2016 - highly doubt Nil would risk losing out on the McDavid lottery, plus he may not be resigned until after the June draft). A trade, IMO, worth considering (again if you feel Staal cannot be resigned).

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 11:04 am EST

RR: I'm convinced Hall is in play - not saying his trade is imminent or that he's the prime piece of meat McT is offering. Instead, good sources are indicating only their first round pick isn't on the table. I maintain it would take something like Staal and Kreider to get him, which, obviously is a lot. However, if you feel you cannot resign Staal he (IMO) must be moved.

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 10:56 am EST

Rabid: I agree, thats why I think they would ask for the sun and the moon. I think MANY other players will be dealt long before Hall. Unless of course its a really great deal...Like Kreider, Duclair, and Talbot with a 1st and a 2nd. Than they would jump quick...and Sather would have a price on his head.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 10:55 am EST

So there is talk that IF (the big IF) the Rangers can't sign Staal and they decide to move him that the Stars will be one of the team in on him. (I happen to think there will be many teams who would pay handsomely for Staal, and wouldn't balk at paying him 6+mil per for a new deal) I say if the Stars want him, Sather needs to get as part of the deal Jamie Oleksiak, monster size, reports of being a good skater, 19 games this year he has a .21 ppg pace...not a lot, but he only plays 11 min per night, and he is young just 21. But boy oh boy, he his huge 6'7" 250....add that to being able to skate...not a fighter, like McIlrath, but bigger than him, and maybe a better skater, but that is tough to know, its just different scouting reports being compared not done by the same scouts, so yeah, hard to know. But heck, if he is a better skater, and has more upside than maybe its Staal and McIlrath together, the Stars were interested in McIlrath by all reports. Really like McIlrath, but depending month other parts of the trade it might be better for the team. Staal/McIlrath for Oleksiak/1st rounder and I think I do it. get a first rounder to replace the one traded, get a 21 year old monster with NHL games for the back end. Remove a worry about Staal walking for nothing. Not that I WANT Staal gone or McIlrath gone, but its a business and its about winning now (now being the next 2-3 years)

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 10:49 am EST

Hall's a fan favorite & as close to a face for the franchise as the Oilers have. While your torturing your fans you dont want to take everything from them. He's also young so near impossible to get equal value for. So I think he's the last guy they deal, unless they want to be rid of his contract. Even then theres a cap floor, so its not like the old days.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Dec 5 2014 10:35 am EST

RDW: I really hope your joking about Hank...I mean, what does it take to be a umber 1? How bout since you came into the NHL being ranked 1st in games, wins, shutouts, and GAA and being tied for second in save % (or is is 1st in save % and 2nd in GAA?) Hank has literally been the best statically in the NHL since he has arrived. As for Hall. They will want a 1st rounder probably, as well as a top prospect and an NHL player, so think, 1st rounder, Miller and Hagelin if they wouldn't ask for more than that. They will ask for the moon and the stars and someone will pay it.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 5 2014 9:58 am EST

Anyone have idea what it would take to get Hall? Not sure blowing up the team to get him makes any sense. Also, we need to trade Hank for Halak. He's a real number one goalie with a great track record that has obviously pulled the Islanders out of mediocrity and into the top group of teams in the NHL.

RDW


Fri Dec 5 2014 9:47 am EST

Tdchi- I don't see the analogy between EDM and the Islanders at all to be honest. Care to elaborate? How does the Islanders development of Tavares - in any way -- compare to EDMs treatment of their kids?? Aren't the situations completely different? Nobody can say that the Islanders haven't invested in Tavares at least. The Islanders have always built a team and done fairly well, they have not been able to keep anyone which has been a big problem for hem. Also, it's December 5. I mean, I don't worry at all about the Islanders in the East so far. They have done a good job very early in one season. I wouldn't be chocked if they missed the POs next year...

Ola


Fri Dec 5 2014 9:11 am EST

Ola - You could have said essentially the same thing about the Islanders a couple years ago...Until they got a goalie and a pair of decent defensemen, that team was such a joke players didn't even want to report there after being traded...Then a couple of tweaks here...a couple of trades there...boom. Suddenly they're the toast of the NHL...Oil's big problem is goaltending...I can't even remember the last time that team had a genuine first-line goalie...Probably CuJo...Even ROLOSON was a pretty poor solution for a netminder back in the day...If that team had a guy like HALAK in net, they wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are now...certainly, their drafting outside of the first round has been awful...and their management of prospect...totally agree...awful. But the Islanders used to do the same thing(see NEIDEREITER)...it's impressive how long that team has been bad...but I don't think that streak is going to last forever.

tdchi


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:59 am EST

kid k belongs with his buddy gabby hayes , they played together in college....don't tell veenyo, he needs to make it his idea, or it's no good......he still can't figure out lines.... hank can't figure out his game so he gives speeches to the d like it's all their fault, and he's innocent....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:52 am EST

stevie: Maybe Nash/Stepan/MSL and Kreider/Brassard/MZA? Kreider has been crappy lately but it's not unreasonable to expect him to bring to that line some of what Poo did last year. Right? That 3rd line will continue to sputter offensively until/unless Hayes figures out the offensive side of his NHL game but I concur with Stempniak over Duclair because as you know, I believe Duclair should be in junior (if he cannot cut it on the top 6).

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:51 am EST

heh...the "if at first you don't succeed" lineup...not surprised. Rangers played pretty well through the first two.

tdchi


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:47 am EST

rf now you can tell your lines ....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:46 am EST

Rick Nash-Derick Brassard-Mats Zuccarello Chris Kreider-Derek Stepan-Marty St. Louis Carl Hagelin-Kevin Hayes-Lee Stempniak J.T. Miller-Dominic Moore-Jesper Fast Marc Staal-Dan Girardi Ryan McDonagh-Dan Boyle Matt Hunwick-Kevin Klein

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:34 am EST

RR: The way Kreider is playing right now, he belongs on the 3rd line!

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 8:31 am EST

A press conference to talk about not firing a coach - huh? McT needs to actually do something. Must be horrible being an Oiler fan right now.

RF4L


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:46 am EST

The competition is so tough in this game right now, that if you think that something is "less than ideal", you should never consider if you can get away with it. You won't. McT should ask himself "is it worth it for us to put other players aside to give Yakupov the best environment?" If the answer is no, he should have been traded yesterday or never picked. Same with Hall, RNH and co. Draisatly. The picks made before these guys in MPS, Gagner and co. So many have been screwed over...

Ola


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:42 am EST

Stevie- If McT is holding a PC on a fireing its the wrong fireing, his plan for that organization is very default and would only work if he could get his hands on a Sid C or AO. I am very suprised that he has been able to get away with it for this long. The way that club is managed they will destroy their kids and they will not get over the top. I am just lol look at their plan to rebuild their blueline throught he drafts. Nobody can seriously believe that project be finnished in the coming 4-6 years. Its 2014 now, when was Hall/RNH drafted again? Nothing adds up. To like pick up Perron, draft both Yakupov and Draisatl -- its also just obvious how blatantly little McT cares about building a team. AND OH YES, we recognize that from Slats early here in NY and I am sure Mess would have been more of the same. You need to make TOUGH CHOICES. Do we believe in Yakupov? Well then he should play on a 5 man unit solely put together to let him develop given the age he was put in the NHL. Same with Hall/RNH and co. The competetion is EXTREMELY TOUGH in this league, to think that you can pick a kid like Yakupov or Draisatl or anyone like that and give them a crap environment and still think they will become good enough -- is just dumb. But Canadian media don't seem to pick up on it...

Ola


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:39 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/04/halak-wins-franchise-record-11th-straight-game-as-isles-win-again/..................http://nypost.com/2014/12/04/lundqvist-has-had-enough-rallies-erratic-rangers-with-speech/................less talk hank.......

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 6:35 am EST

Maybe it's not a firing in Edmonton tomorrow, I'm hearing. But maybe it is. Rick Carpiniello @rangersreport MacTavish to hold a press conference in Edmonton Friday morning. Um ...

stevielegs


Fri Dec 5 2014 1:17 am EST

In moof we trust

mf


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:20 pm EST

I would start Talbot.

Bob


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:09 pm EST

If Hall were ever to become a Ranger, one of Zuc, Kreider or MSL becomes a 3rd liner. Or one gets included in the deal, which better not happen. They have no interest in MSL, obviously. RD, Hall & Leetch? Not sure what youre getting at. SATHER; not only cant you kill him on the 3 defections because all 3 guys got career contracts, but because in at least one case there were some things going on that werent made public. In Stralmans case we need a RHD that could play point Had to make that move. Puliot wildly overpayed. And people are killin Sather on cap management?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:57 pm EST

And on a neutral subject (I think): Who should start against the Wings?

RF4L


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:55 pm EST

Bob: LOL...I am learning that you cannot argue about Sather with his merry band of strokers. There's quite a few in here don't you know!

RF4L


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:53 pm EST

Haven't you read the WALL RF4L? Sather is spending all his time being a salary cap wizard. That's why Stralman and Boyle are in Tampa and the mumps are causing the Rangers cap problems.

Bob


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:53 pm EST

Haven't you read the WALL RF4L? Sather is spending all his time being a salary cap wizard. That's why Stralman and Boyle are in Tampa and the mumps are causing the Rangers cap problems.

Bob


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:50 pm EST

Darren Drager tonight saying the only chip not in play for the Oilers is their first rounder, lest it become Connor McDavid. Hall is available. Only an incompetent GM, especially if that GM has ties with the Oilers and some trading history with those in a position to make trades, wouldn't at least explore the possibilities. I post this with basically zero expectations of anything happening with these 2 clubs, but it's nice to ponder. Hall would give the Rangers something they haven't had since Leetch came on board, despite Sather's numerous and to date inept attempts to replicate.

RF4L


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:19 pm EST

I'd go with Moof over ecklund..

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:07 pm EST

People should only read & trust in what TD has to say.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 10:00 pm EST

schneidw - At this rate, I bet the Rangers could probably get POULIOT back if they wanted...probably wouldn't cost them much either...maybe a late-round draft pick...problem is they simply couldn't afford him...that and he just broke his foot...but with the meltdown of the Oil, I bet they'd move him and his contract for a song and a bag of dinged up pucks.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 9:57 pm EST

So when you're reading a trade rumor and you get to the letters E, K, L, and U...stop right there, because you're wasting your time. Eklund to hockey is what Al Sharpton is to news commentary...totally discredited...totally irrelevant...and yet still people pay attention...

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 9:25 pm EST

NYR UFAs- Yeah, hard to know what SATHER is going to do this year to get this NYR team under the cap... Letting Stralman leave looks like a mistake... he has played better than ever in Tampa... I also question losing Pouilliot who is only 9 months older than Zucarello and I thought contributed more overall and scored the same amount of goals as Zucc in the playoffs... Poulliot crashed the net which is something the NYRs have missed since Adam Graves... Moving forward, I still think NYRs have to sign Staal...all other UFAs are maybes...

schneidw


Thu Dec 4 2014 9:10 pm EST

RFL: Gadzooks is a LW...and I agree with you on bringing up Big Mac as well.

PatrickDiv


Thu Dec 4 2014 6:19 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJyQpAiMXkg

mf


Thu Dec 4 2014 4:51 pm EST

veenyo just might be going with the prince on Saturday ........good move if he does......

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 4:48 pm EST

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/04/ryane-clowes-father-charged-in-cocaine-trafficking-probe/

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 4:24 pm EST

Kill Eklund all you want too, but he says SJ talking blockbuster with a few eastern teams. Eonder if Isles arent one? Theyre going to look to add & go into Bklyn & their new building next yr with some mo. Or maybe its JT time! Haha

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 4:19 pm EST

TDCHI/WILD - Disagree on the Oit..They are a rotten team and poorly constructed...No goalie, No defense and so 1-dimensional at forward it isn't funny..Big deal they have some skill and potential.They only way they reach the level of PO bubble team is by trading some of the skilled kids for players/vets that know how to play the complete game...

Hospo


Thu Dec 4 2014 4:02 pm EST

Td said that on Sather, and Il back him up. The guy has negotiated a zillion deals and is generally excellent with contracts. You want to kill him on Drury-Gomez type deals, knock yourself out.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:53 pm EST

Did I just read that Sather is "superb at cap management?" Oh well, like my Dad used to say while popping open a beer, it's noon somewhere.

Bob


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:43 pm EST

I interrupt hockey opinions to bring you this .....http://mumps.emedtv.com/mumps/mumps-outbreak.html.........http://mumps.emedtv.com/mumps/mumps-cause.html.....http://www.cdc.gov/mumps/outbreaks.html....and now back to your regularly scheduled hockey opinions......

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:39 pm EST

td; Agree on the Oil. They "just" need D and a goalie. More than one D though. If i was the GM up there I would be on the phone with the Rangers trying to see if Staal was willing to sign a deal up there and seeing what it would take to get him. They also need IMHO a vet player for the top 6 who can help the young guys get playing the right way. Watching their games and it seems like they want to do the fun stuff with the puck, but loose interest when it comes to other parts of the game. They have no one to really lead them. I don't just mean any vet, but a MSL, or even an Iginla, not producing but still a guy who plays the right way, that type of vet, a leader but more important a winner, a guy who knows how to win. They will need to move one of their young forwards, and they can't balk at it, its the only way they will get a Dman good enough to help at all. If they only want to give up mid range players and picks they will only get midrange D back and that will just make the pain worse until it all falls apart.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:36 pm EST

Godzilla vs Big Mac ?

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:27 pm EST

On the Oil...I think they've been struck by some pretty poor drafting...but also that they're not much different that the Islanders were two years ago...they have a franchise cornerstone in HALL and some real nice pieces to build around...EBERLE, HOPKINS, SCHULTZ, KLEFBOM, NURSE and now DRAISATL...all the need is a solid goalie and an upgrade on D. That team isn't far off from emerging...the problem they keep having is that their management can't seem to find or lure the right pieces to the team...I think the clear move for them is to move YAKUPOV for one of those pieces...they're never going to get what they could have at the draft table for that top pick...or after his first season...but they could still get a really solid blueliner for him...then it's a matter of clearing away some of the dregs for the prospects...The Oil aren't far off...but the lack of patience in Edmonton could end up derailing the whole process they've been through since their last cup appearance.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:14 pm EST

BTW, when my kids all went to college they had to get their boosters updated in order to be allowed to attend.....

Ranger47


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:12 pm EST

The current policy in CT and most states is to require vaccinations and boosters prior a child being allowed to enter school. However, the law also allows parents to send their kids without vaccinations if they claim the have religious objections to the shots. What's happening is a small (but growing) minority of parents are using this as a way to bypass getting the vaccinations (even though they do not actually have religious concerns, just fears about what side affects are caused by the shots). This is leading to an increased number of cases of measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc, than in years past. BTW, I elected to get the shingles vaccine (since I had chicken pox as a kid) but my wife elected not to due to her concerns about the vaccine (and is risking getting a painful shingles outbreak as a result).

Ranger47


Thu Dec 4 2014 3:10 pm EST

To help with Gadzooks - why not promote McI if that's what is decided the backline needs??

RF4L


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:58 pm EST

found this at http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cig-gci/p04-mump-orei-eng.php#epi: "In Canada, adults born before 1970 can be presumed to have acquired natural immunity to mumps; however, some individuals may be susceptible. A second dose of mumps vaccination was routinely given along with measles and rubella (MMR) for measles control beginning in 1996-1997. Depending on the age the second dose was given, people born before 1996 may only have received one done of mumps-containing vaccine and so may still be susceptible. In addition, people born between 1970 and approximately 1996 who received only one dose of mumps-containing vaccine may still be susceptible." And, according to the CDC (US) 2 doses are still only 88% effective, one dose 78%. So I guess not as surprising as it first seems. It's not like Tanner Glass, Perry, Suter etc all went to the same alternative kindergarten or something.

LeoS


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:53 pm EST

Wondering when this whole anti-vaccination craze and "vaccinations cause autism" stuff started and if that could be contributing to more people getting mumps and other "childhood" diseases? I seem to remember hearing about it in the late 80's early 90's and that could coincide with this craziness. Maybe some of these guys were never vacinated. Who knows?

JFC31


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:33 pm EST

Sign me up for Gazdic in a heartbeat. Our cap may not like it but....

PatrickDiv


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:30 pm EST

Hope you're right Wild, because Rangers will re-up him most likely before July 1, he will be here this year and probably next, and he is in a VERY valuable spot in our lineup. IF he does falter it won't matter, he will play regardless and be, largely, immovable.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:30 pm EST

yikes..not 14 points in his last 4 games that would be crazy....14 points in his last 14 is what I should have wrote.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:28 pm EST

td: read something the other day. Although everyone gets the MMR vaccine as a kid (infant age I think) some people antibodies never get up all that high, and can fall during life. But yeah, you would think at this point, every NHL team would give every player a booster. Of course there are a percentage of people it wont work on, but you would hope they are making strides to do the boosters for everyone.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:26 pm EST

rabid: So someone counters what you say, and since you can't make it not true you say it shouldn't matter. So you think that losing him mom should have not affected him because its going to happen to everyone. Come on. What a joke. These guys are just like everyone else. He was close to his mother so it effected him. My mother-in-law passes I think my wife will host a party, but thats her, the people around MSL talked about how close he was and how devastated he was losing her...you can't just brush aside what that did to his game, and his energy and focus for anything in life. It takes time to get past those things. And looking at him now, especially lately 14 pints in his last 4 games, he has found a way to get back to what he was. You can't show anything at all that says he is slowing down, or is about to fall off that cliff into being a poor player.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:23 pm EST

td: exactly. You can hate the trade, but still like the player and his contributions. Two separate things.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:19 pm EST

So...SUTER on the Wild now has mumps...Anyone else find this a little friggin' weird? Don't people get vaccinated for this kind of thing? And if not, wouldn't you think the teams would REQUIRE them to get a booster or something? Can't go to public school or college without this immunization. Startles me that we now have at least four cases in professional sports.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:13 pm EST

Honestly Wild, I never want to hear about MSL's mother again. Everyone is going to get old & die. If she was such a good luck charm they should've propped her up at games like Weekend at Bernie's. That's all we friggin heard about while this guy was misfiring in the finals. 9 goals in 44 total games as a Ranger last year.not twerrible but nothing to orgasm over either. 8 in the POs. I can't remember his scf goals right now, I'd have to go back & look. One was a GWer? Id have to look. The big goal of his playoffs was the OT winner vs. MTL. And even in that game he must've missed 2-3 chances to end it. Sorry, you like the guy and that's great. I'm on the fence, but definitely not making a decision till last minute. He's going to get his points. But how many in the 2nd half, and how many when we really need them? See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:11 pm EST

RDW - Highly doubt it. I'm pretty sure SCHULTZ is one of their untouchables. If not untouchable, then more expensive than just MOORE. That kid on a team with an actual defense and a goaltender that could stop a bowling ball would be dangerous.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:07 pm EST

As I've said many times before, I was never a big fan of the Mary ST. LOUIS trade and still think the Rangers kind of got hosed...but the guy is playing phenomenal and showing ZERO sign of slowing down. Maybe he's not going to win the Art Ross...but he's also not playing on a wing with STAMKOS anymore. Marty plays a game where I could easily see him playing another two season. Maybe three.. I think about a guy like Mark RECCHI...who played a similar game and end up winning two cups in the twilight of his career...Make no mistake, neither the Canes or the Bruins would have hoisted the cup without him...MSL is very effective for his age...and while I still think Cally and two first rounders was a lot to pay for a guy who wanted to come here anyway, I don't have any problem with his contributions...Is he gonna be your top-scoring forward? Nope. And if you expect that from him, you're setting yourself up for failure...but with an offense that has the likes of a renewed Rick Nash, a point-per-game Stepan, Kreider and Zuccarello...and then add in a point-per-game Brassard? Plenty of room for MSL. Bet he signs for Zucc's current contract sometime before the end of the year. Rangers will certainly get a hometown discount.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 2:05 pm EST

Anyone think Edmonton would do a Moore for Schultz swap? Just throwing it out there, haven't actually looked at the cap #'s or thought much about it until a few minutes ago.

RDW


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:51 pm EST

Oh and forgot to mention the personal tragedy he endured early in the playoffs. One does not just turn off that kind of thing and have it not affect their life. He scored at a .60 ppg or so pace after that. You talk about missing on one timers....its amazing he could focus at all. These guys are still human, life affects them. You argument doesn't hold water, you could look at the leading playoff scorer and find flaws. The fact is, only 9 players had more points than him during the playoffs, and no one score more goals in the finals, only the same number. So its hard to point to him as being any part of an issue. And who can you put in his place that would do better?

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:48 pm EST

Wild I dont get the snarkiness. You want to discuss, fine. Your stats dont take into account shanked one-timers, which MSL was piling up like they were going out of style. 2 SCF goals doesnt impress me, we needed more.he missed GLORIOUS chances with it all on the line. No one said dick about MSL who scored one more scf goal than Nash, who was lambasted all summer. The reason I harken to last year is because I fully expect a lull in MSLs game 2nd half. Its still early & hes fresh. And hey, you win. Hes on the team thus year. But I dont resign him at all before July 1, no matter what.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:32 pm EST

also, MSL had 2 goals in 5 games in the SCF including a GWG in game 4 (2-1 win) thats 0.4 goals per game "pace" anything around a half goal per game is damn good in the finals. In fact he was tied for the lead in goals scored in those finals. none had more than 2. He was second on the team in points for the playoffs, and 10th in the NHL during the playoffs. I think that being second on the team in points for the post season and being tied for most goals in the SCF is enough to say he was not bad in the post season last season. He was also tied for 8th in PPP in the play-offs in a year the PP was terrible all year. So again...he slumped after the trade, than picked it up in the playoffs. And now this year he has picked it up even more, and your response to that is "let him walk" because basically, he isn't that good anymore....

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:32 pm EST

Tanner Glass (mumps) will not accompany team to Detroit. A possibility to play Monday vs. Pens. Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Tanner Glass (mumps) skated today before team was on the ice, plan is for him to skate tomorrow, maybe with team.

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:30 pm EST

@AGrossRecord Great line from a much-better Boyle: Between this illness, broken hand says hockey gods definitely not happy with his decision to join NYR

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:28 pm EST

msl 25 playoff games 8 goals 7 assists

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:23 pm EST

Don't think I would've done it, but it's nice seeing AV rewarding strong play of Hunwick by scratching Moore

Messier11


Thu Dec 4 2014 1:19 pm EST

Rabid: you look t a single stat as your evidence....and its just silly. Tell me again the last player to be traded to the NYR or really any team, that was their best that season after the deadline. Its a rare rare thing to have that happen. SO you will ignore completely this season, and look to last....because as we all know (uh huh) the past is more important than the present. Last year was one of only like 3 years at or below .80 ppg, he is at .83 ppg so far this year, and thats with a bunch of games out of position at center, and most of the points have come over the last 10 since he was moved back to wing. SO arguably he would be better scoring wise this season if Step wasn't hurt. But you look t less than half a season and one playoffs (and one that the Rangers went to the SCF no less) as proof that MSL shouldn't be re-signed because he will be that player again next year....and even if he looses some scoring, he will be better than a half point per game for a while probably, and we don't know yet if a kid can do that while in the top 6. I agree he should take a better cap deal, He is at 5.6 now, he should be willing to take 4 per for a few years.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:50 pm EST

how many goals did St Louis score in the finals? Not many I can remember (without looking it up). It's not success until you win - it all.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:46 pm EST

RABID _ I couldn't disagree with you more on St. Louis, but i said my piece,,..However, one thing, that keeping of St' Louis in the line-up last year indeed sent such a fowl message that it ruined the team's chemistry, offense, young players and any chance of PO success..Wait a minute....

Hospo


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:31 pm EST

Good. So Boyle's not dying on us. The thing with St Louis is the same thing with so many of these respected veterans we've brought in. Their big salaries and reps demand they be played, and a benching is near-impossible, no matter how bad they stink it up.(see Richards, "I couldn't suck any more", Brad) St Louis scored 1 goal in 24 games after the trade and didn't miss a Goddamned shift! That's an abomination!!!! Sends a terrible message to the rest of the team, fouls out your offense, and for what? His prestige? I could give a shit. its not MSL himself, the guy is unbelievable. But he stinks it up again, what's going to happen? Guess. Im all for making kids earn their way. But when you put a roadblock like a HOFer who initiated a trade and wants to be here for his family and may or may not have a nmc and may or may not waive that nmc, it becomes complicated. Im just saying, you got cap issues, you got size issues, you got penetration issues, that's where id start cutting.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:12 pm EST

Based on today's practice, appears John Moore and Anthony Duclair are the extras. Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Dan Boyle on the ice today at #NYR practice

stevielegs


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:11 pm EST

IMO, St.Louis has been a hell of alot better this year than last year....he's more comfortable and he's producing points on a regular basis. I had feared that he would start off terribly and possibly show signs of losing it, but he has not. However, MSL shoukl absolutely be able and willing to structure his contract to give maximum benefits and flexibility to the Rangers. NY is where he wants to be, NY/CT is where his WIFE wants to be and he's got more than enough money to live a ritzy Greenwich lifestyle. The only thing he should be interested in is helping the organization win another Cup. And if he wants to play around with the contract, then Sather should play hardball. If not, I'd welcome him back on a 1 or 2 year deal that HELPS our cap situation, not hurt it.

JFC31


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:53 am EST

RABID - We obviously have watched a different St. Louis this year..To me, few Rangers match his mixture of ability, smarts, effort and stamina on a nightly basis...However,.I can see some concerns about his salary, but perhaps there are way around that in an extension..And, you don't open the door for kids...You make them bust through it...And we'll see if Buch, Duclair Haggerty ever do it..Also, if I want to win the CUP in the next tw0o years I'd rather have St.Louis than most of the forwards on the team,.3-4 years down the line mean jack to me..

Hospo


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:50 am EST

As for the cap fears...I really don't see what anyone is worrying about...Are the Rangers going to have to make some tough decisions? Certainly. But if there's one thing Sather is superb at as GM, it's cap management...He got in a little bind last summer, but in the end...man, he pulled it off fine...Not sure what MSL is going to resign for, but it won't be his current rate...that chalks up another couple mil. And if a cap crunch does come, you better believe someone like KLEIN or MOORE will be moved in favor of a youngster...the likes of the RFA...the only one who could command serious dollars is STEPAN...that's the "watch out" right there...ZUCC, though I think he's worth every penny of $5 million, will have a tough time asking for that under his present production...and TALBOT...Guy may double his salary, but I still don't see him getting a job in the NHL as a starter or a backup making $2 million plus...solid goalie...love the guy...but he's also got one of the league's best defenses in front of him...Gonna be tight, but I'm not worried.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:44 am EST

Trade - Nice thought...though GADZIC is kind of...scratch that...is a stump...only chance a bruiser has to get in the lineup here would be if they can skate an up-tempo game AT LEAST on par with someone like GLASS...Rangers passed on all sorts of flavors of pugilists...some who can skate pretty well(CARCILLO, for instance)...they also passed on Brandon BOLLIG, who I thought would be a perfect fit for fourth line(he's doing well for Calgary's fourth right now)...they traded away DORSETT, who was really a human punching bag, but at least threw down...Still would have loved to see PRUST in blue...But I think the closest we're going to get to an enforcer-type player on this team under AV's tenure is, in fact, Glass.

tdchi


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:33 am EST

Id second that motion!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:31 am EST

Wouldn't mind taking Gadzic off of the Oilers.....We need someone like him who could take out the fuckin trash.......Especially playing the Lightining, whom the Rangers prance around like a bunch of pansies when Cally is playing against them. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/126121

TradeStar28


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:01 am EST

RF, no one wants to hear it right now cause he's going, but the answer to both cap woes (which I think are overstated, but what ever) AND a misfitting lineup short on size-muscle is to not re-up MSL. That's $5m in cap savings and an opening for one of our kids (Buch, Haggerty, Duclair) or to make a deal for a Ladd-type player. St Louis looked like a shell of himself for much of the time since the trade last year, save a few key playoff moments. He's not struggling now but when he fades it is ugly, fouls out our lineup & our cap. And RW is our strongest spot in terms of legit prospects.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 11:00 am EST

RF4L: Yeah if you want to compete in the cap word you will need to be near the cap. people want to bash Sather for the Rangers being close to the cap, but he has done OK compared to others. Look at the AVS, they are near the cap, AND have big deals kicking in next season, they have made some just stupid deals. I mean, they signed that Nick Holden guy on D to an extension last summer when he still had this year left, he goes to 1.6 mil per next season (up from 600K) and they just moved him to wing because he has been such a mess from the back end, and is on a pace for 13 points in 82 games...last year he had 25 points in 54 games.( he had played 7 NHL games before last season as well) Then they signed Iginla for 3 years 5.33 per.and traded for then extended Brad Stuart before he played a shift...before he was ever on the ice with the team at all. WE may not have it great with Sather, but it could be so much worse. You point out the Flyers. I expect a "big" name from that team to be moved...probably to another struggling team, a "fair and even" trade to shake up both teams.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 4 2014 8:45 am EST

Pressure mounting in Edmonton - they lost their 11th straight game last night. Something's gotta give and give bad. Meanwhile, the tire-fire Flyers lost their 9th straight road game last night. I suspect some sort of explosion is imminent there. Ron Hackstall is liking about to face his first experience of ownership meddling - no way will Snyder be able to idly stand by for much longer. Ha....

RF4L


Thu Dec 4 2014 8:40 am EST

RR: Check my post to stevie from yesterday on the pending RFA and UFAs - changes are a-coming for the Rangers this summer, if not sooner, without a doubt. Such is life in a cap world when you try to be competitive (i.e. spend close to the max).

RF4L


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:58 am EST

Kindl sucks. Pass.

Bob


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:36 am EST

I cant wait till we win the Cup for a lot of reasons. But one of the funniest will be the next day here when we're restructuring half the team!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:31 am EST

Rabbit for Kindl :-(

mf


Thu Dec 4 2014 12:08 am EST

Zuc & Kreider for Kindle! ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:12 pm EST

mf: Kindl is a turn-over machine, at least in the games I saw him. There's talent there but if he's on the block at that contract with the Wings, who are apparently seeking defensive help, it's because he simply won't learn. I'd consider him, but only if the price is really cheap (like a 4th rounder).

RF4L


Wed Dec 3 2014 10:57 pm EST

Kindl: is 1 month younger than Marc Staal, listed at 6'3" 213lbs, and can log big minutes, play a shut down physical role.. He's signed this year and 2 more for $2.4 million per.. Perhaps we can make Detroit an offer and retain Staal, & Moore.. We don't necessarily need to trade Staal, however, we'd have insurance if we need to move Staal near or at the trade deadline.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4955 ..... http://capgeek.com/redwings/

mf


Wed Dec 3 2014 10:48 pm EST

KINDL TALK HEATING UP ..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/page/2/ ..... Teams in need of an experienced depth on defense should keep an eye on Detroit Red Wings blueliner Jakub Kindl. MLive.com’s Ansar Khan believes it’s only a matter of time until the 27-year-old Czech is traded. Khan reports Kindl’s performance has improved since last season, but he still must compete harder on a regular basis. He also notes the Wings must eventually make room for some of the young defensemen in their system. Kindl is under contract through 2016-17 at an annual cap hit of $2.4 million, which could make him attractive in the trade market if the salary cap for 2015-16 fails to significantly increase. The Wings’ asking price won’t be expensive, as they could seek a draft pick.

mf


Wed Dec 3 2014 6:22 pm EST

BTW, I forgot to mention that the Rangers would have to play one game short handed to use the Emergency Recall and that they'd also be allowed to exceed the cap with that recall.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 3 2014 6:14 pm EST

JFC.... In regard to Brooks' article, he doesn't know what he's talking about.... Per the CBA..... (i) A player on loan to a Club of any league affiliated with the League may be recalled from such loan under emergency conditions at any time for the duration of the emergency only following which he must be returned promptly to the club from which he was recalled.... (ii) Emergency conditions shall be established when the playing strength of the loaning Club, by reason of incapacitating injury or illness or by League suspension to its players is reduced below the level of two (2) goalkeepers, six (6) defensemen and twelve (12) forwards. Proof of the existence of the emergency conditions including the incapacity shall be furnished to the Commissioner of the League upon request made by him..... ... (b) (i) A Club recalling a Player from a minor league club, under emergency conditions, must specify on the transfer form the name of the injured, ill or suspended Player whom the Player on emergency recall is replacing..... (ii) When an emergency condition terminates, the Club must submit a transfer form indicating whether the Player's status has converted to regular recall or is assigned to his minor league club.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 3 2014 5:28 pm EST

www.nypost.com/2014/12/03/mumps-really-hurting-rangers-salary-cap-situation/

JFC31


Wed Dec 3 2014 5:18 pm EST

On the other hand, Sather's probably desperately hoping for a cup win this June so 1) he can finally say he accomplished something in NY (and since 1989) and he can walk away/retire, leaving the cap dilemma for someone else to deal with!

RF4L


Wed Dec 3 2014 5:16 pm EST

stevie: The declining Canadian dollar, unless things change, will put more pressure on the cap next year. Many teams budgeted with anticipation of a significant rise in the cap next year and as of now, projections are maybe it'll go up by just $2,000,000. Already there''s talk that the Hawks will be looking to jettison the likes of Bickel, Sharp and Seabrooke because next year is when those huge salaries for Kane and Toews kick in. I don't see how Sather can resign Staal for the money he's allegedly seeking when he'll also need to resign J Moore, Hagelin, Miller, Fast and Stepan (all pending RFAs), plus MSL, MZA and Talbot with $45,000,000 already accounted for (those under contract next year). That's why the Staal situation bears watching IMO - the Rangers cannot afford to give hi $6,000,000 but on the other hand, it would foolhardy from an organizational standpoint to have him walk for nothing.

RF4L


Wed Dec 3 2014 5:11 pm EST

LA definitely better in front, maybe the biggest part of the game Next to ST play We (this year or last) dont score that way often. We're more a quick-strike offense. Cant critique it until I see this years full squad at 100% and in a groove. Could be awesone with everyone going. Theyre shown definite signs with how they swarm. Just gotta sustain it longer.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:59 pm EST

hospo the genius seems to have a possible cap mess next year....he just slid thru this year .....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:52 pm EST

STEVIE - As I've been saying, sign this guy to an extension long before the season is over!

Hospo


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:50 pm EST

RABID - never know what happened if the Series went on..And the Kings could have very well been gassed by that point ..Still, JMWO that their size and strength paid dividends later in games along the boards and in front of the Rangers net....Let's hope we get another series against them this year!

Hospo


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:47 pm EST

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/martin-st-louis-play-40s-rangers-article-1.2030808?cid=bitly

stevielegs


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:29 pm EST

I wouldn't put so much faith in Burke. After all, he built the Leafs team of recent years

Messier11


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:27 pm EST

"artificial intelligence", comes naturally to me. and probably most here.....!.....rf4l ...Sather's is real.....just not that bright......lol.....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:21 pm EST

If we replayed the SCF with this year's team roster it's possible that by having an improved PP (to counter LA "excess physicality" as well as having improved overall team speed and quicker passes out of our D zone to spend more time in their D zone might be enough to win the series. JMHO.

Ranger47


Wed Dec 3 2014 4:15 pm EST

Few things with Hospo. McQuire reported over summer it was the Kings who were gassed. Their coaches were worried if it came back to NY. And those breakaways! Etched in my mind, we still had do many chances to win. If we had only finished a few, would the physicality even be a talking point? Idk. Overwhelming evidence when they score late & we dont. But a lot of that was Quick being better than Hank. Naturally none of the media guys want to say that. So, combo of things imo. Asshole refs no. 1

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 3:41 pm EST

RABID - I agree with those "lot of people"..It wasn't that the Rangers backed down or didn't give the physical effort, I just thought that the Kings shear size/strength and their constant physical pressure (especially in our D-zone) GENERALLY wore the Rangers down in the second half of games..A bigger body or two would be nice to go against the West,

Hospo


Wed Dec 3 2014 3:23 pm EST

Brian Burke said we lost SCFs cause we werent big & ugly enough. That and the refs... and the PP...and, and. But I thought we had physical edge over LA, the bigger hits. Lot of people thought they ground us down & thus the huge edge in 3rd pwriod & OT scoring. Maybe so.it was a lot of things. But THIS NYR team? This team will be at a disadvantage.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 3:00 pm EST

PUCK: LEETCH was a special player who was never appreciated enough by the fans. He will always be one of my favorites. WILDCARD: I agree on HAYES. That is why I think at some point this season he is going to break out in a big way from a scoring perspective. There is just too much talent, coupled with a very high hockey IQ for him not to be a real strong player. His skating holds him back to a degree (lack of quickness not necessarily top end) and his problems in the faceoff circle are hurting his ice time and keeping him off the PP to an extent. I have wondered why the Rangers haven't really tried him on the PP. His ability to hold the puck and move it to open guys should really shine on the PP. HOSPO: I agree on MZA and I've been saying something similar since the start of the season. He seems like he wants to be the physical presence of his line since POULIOT is gone and there isn't anyone else to fill that role. That is not what the Rangers need from him. The Rangers need him to score and create offense.

Vic


Wed Dec 3 2014 1:50 pm EST

Hospo -- he's definitely gotten some stupid, offensive zone penalties and yeah, maybe he should ease off on some of the extra-curricular stuff, but I'm thinking maybe that's what motivates him, keeps him at the intensity level he needs to be to succeed. Lundqvist says he's an annoying little jerk....in a good way, so maybe he's so comfortable now that he's just showing his true self....Napolean complex? I wish some of the guys with bigger bodies could have the same intensity.

JFC31


Wed Dec 3 2014 1:43 pm EST

I just think Zuc wasn't as...... flexible as is normal. He took a nasty shot to the head/neck/shoulder early, and is just now starting to look normal to me. A guy like him, its his 360 vision & playmaking ability that makes him special. I have no doubt all his ability is still there, think he was just banged up. I also have ZERO concerns about Chris Kreider. If no one is ever able to struggle or hit a cold streak without getting himself involved in multi-player swaps LOL.... that's a pretty short leash.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 1:38 pm EST

JFC - I mised a large chunk of the season but from what I have seen I agree about Zucc's engagement level ...Well, almost......... I actually think he's getting too selfishly involved in these private skirmishes and outside the play/after the whistle bull shit. (or it could be he feels he has to do it because nobody else is)...Either way, it's not the best use of his abilities,,,He has nothing to prove physically or mentally, just needs to play his game..

Hospo


Wed Dec 3 2014 1:26 pm EST

Wild -- I agree that Zucc's offense not being good enough so far but I disagree with your assertion that he hasn't been engaged or shown up most games. To me , he continues to be one of the guys who consistently gets involved making hits, getting in opposing players' faces, trying to get under people's skins, etc....it's why I give him slack about his scoring...because he sets a good example in other areas...when you're not scoring, there are other ways to contribute. Yet, you're observation seems to be the opposite...

JFC31


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:50 am EST

Its the artificial intelligence Wild. Mine drives me nuts on my tablet. It why I use my cell mostly. My tablet turns Sather to Ester lol, and comes up with the craziest shit.Stepan Hawking said AI can eventually destroy humanity & hes usually right.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:42 am EST

I was surprised to see Hayes on PK, thought it was Glass (no. 15, not 13) and my eyes were going. Obvioudly coaches picked up on Hayes poke-check ability. And I think AV craves a big body covering the point, like Boyle was. It just takes up a lot of room.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:39 am EST

"find the puck month" should be "find the puck on the"

Wildcard


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:35 am EST

VIC: Also on HAYES and his ability with his stick, he can be going at a guy full speed, find the puck month other guys stick, and knock it the direction he is going as if he passed it to himself and never miss a stride. At least once per game he seems to do that, he is so quick with that stick of his, and he must do something that makes it deceptive for the guy with the puck to misread where it will be be. He knocked the puck off of Crosby's stick 2 or 3 times the last time they played the PENS, and that is not something many players can say they do once in a game, and he did it with this look of ease. That part of his game alone is worth a lot, add in the skill once he has the puck and man-oh-man does he have the potential to be a top notch two way player. And think, he is already quite good on the PK, once he gets going offensively he should be really good on the PP as well. He has the potential of being a Chris Drury type player, good all over the ice, brains and ability to stop even the best players and the skills to make the other team pay for the smallest mistake...and with a bigger body and longer reach than Drury.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:26 am EST

VIC: Agree on those 3 guys needing to be better, and its expected they be better. One thing I CAN say is that the 2 or 3 games before the injury McD was finally starting to look like he did last year, than he got hurt. 3-4 games after the injury I am willing to grant him not looking good, but over the next couple games he needs to be better all around. Kreider I am more worried about, he isn't getting going during games like he had been, still involved most games, but not the right way. He needs to simplify, someone said it yesterday, perhaps he needs to be put on a line with a couple pluggers, that way he will not have the urge to be fancy, just north south and use speed. Put him with Moore/Fast for a game or two. Get him less worried about making a play and just playing or something. Zucc I am MOST worried about. He has shown up less than Kreider save the last 2 games. I said it yesterday, I hope he has found his game and has turned a corner. If not he needs to be taken out of the top 9, give a kid a shot in his spot if need be, but if he isn't engaged he isn't worth much on the ice. He isn't big enough to power to the net and make giant shooting lanes for someone, he isn't great away from the puck (he is good, but its not his game) and really he isn't a great offensive player, just a really good one, the biggest thing he brings is that engine that never quits, the playing bigger than he is style and creating havoc on the ice and cashing in on chances while also making great passes. he hasn't don't those things this season enough.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 3 2014 11:19 am EST

Nice little piece on Ranger prospect Halverson. Kid seems like he has a good head on his shoulders, and the proper mindset for being a goalie. Who knows if that amounts to anything more than a junior goalie or not, but mentally he seems to understand things. http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/halverson-always-striving-perfection

Wildcard


Wed Dec 3 2014 9:51 am EST

Oops...the link: http://www.northjersey.com/sports/hockey/rangers-should-loan-duclair-to-canada-1.1144596

RF4L


Wed Dec 3 2014 9:50 am EST

Good story by Andrew Gross on Duclair and the benefits of playing in the WJC tourney. IMO it would be foolish of the Rangers not to let him play considering he's watching from the pressbox for at least 1 game out of 3 (meaning they can afford to have him absent for 3 weeks over xmas).

RF4L


Wed Dec 3 2014 9:08 am EST

Islanders win again - sure will be interesting the next time the Rangers play them...

RF4L


Wed Dec 3 2014 6:56 am EST

Vic- funny you mentioned that about Leetch. I met him a few years back and told him just that- he was the best I ever saw at keeping the puck in at the blue line . Of course, he deferred to Buekaboom as being such a good partner. He was also like Hayes in terms of anticipating outlet passes, although he would intercept in the neutral zone and turn it up ice.

puckyou


Wed Dec 3 2014 5:12 am EST

watch the video....http://nypost.com/2014/12/02/punchless-devils-blanked-by-penguins-lose-jaromir-jagr/#

stevielegs


Wed Dec 3 2014 12:24 am EST

I see some folks jumping on the 3rd and 4th line players when trying to explain the struggles the team has had this year. Everyone is fair game and yes, everyone needs to contribute. The 4th line was a big problem until the last few games. The best it has looked is with FAST and MILLER on the wings and if I'm AV I don't change it. MILLER brings so much more then GLASS and FAST is just a quiet but solid player. The 3rd line has been an issue this year and it has been constantly changed almost every game. I never liked the idea of putting two guys that were trying to learn the league and hold their own on the same line (DUCLAIR and HAYES). At this point I'm not sure what to do with DUCLAIR. My inclination is to put him with STEPAN and move KREIDER down to play with HAYES. HAYES deserves some criticism but there is no doubt the kid has tremendous upside. The pass he made to HAGS along the boards in the first period of last night's game was absolutely brilliant. And HAYES has the uncanny skill/ability of intercepting outlet passes. I've never seen anything like it. He does it several times a game. Every once in a while you see guys come along that do things that stand out. Guys that show particular skills and abilities that are differnt from and well above others. DON MALONEY was incredible on the boards. I've never seen anyone else so good at always coming away with the puck. His ability on the boards was uncanny. LEETCH was unreal at keeping the puck in the zone on the PP. It was nearly impossible to get the puck past him. I see that same kind of standout ability in HAYES with respect to intercepting outlet passes. His ability to read the play and intercept passes is uncanny especially when you consider he is a rookie who is making the direct jump from college hockey. Hopefully the kid just keeps getting better and better and erases the doubts a lot of fans have. Off to bed for me.....

Vic


Wed Dec 3 2014 12:23 am EST

On top of all I just mentioned throw in the fact that McDONAGH, MZA and KRIEDER have been underwhelming at best so far this year and you have a recipe for inconsistency and mediocrity. Of all of them I am most concerned about McDONAGH. Last year was his coming out party. He showed the world just how good he could be. Everyone is looking for him to take the next step and become the face of the franchise this year and so far he has regressed badly. Even before his injury he was a shadow of the player he was last year. I'm hoping he finds his game soon because they really need him to be the #1 D that he showed he could be. It is hard not to like MZA as a person and player. He plays with spunk and attitude and takes crap from no one. BUT, the sad reality is that he is a munchkin playing a big man's game. If he isn't scoring and generating offense they he becomes a liability especially when he is taking bad penalties trying to prove he is tough. MZA needs to score and score regularly otherwise he becomes a problem as a top 6 player. As for KREIDER I've noticed what others have seen in terms of him not using his speed much this season. Something is off. Something is wrong. The biggest thing IMHO that KREIDER isn't doing is moving the puck the way he did last year. One of his best traits last year was his passing. He was fantastic and getting to lose pucks or winning battles and getting the puck back to the points quickly and accurately. This year that is gone from his game. Completely.

Vic


Wed Dec 3 2014 12:23 am EST

As for the Rangers, there are too many reasons to mention as to why this team is mediocre right now. I'll mention a few that I believe are the biggest issues for the team right now. First and foremost this team will only be as good as its goaltending and HANK hasn't played well enough, consistently enough. I'm hoping that he turns it around as he always seems to do in the second half of the season. One of these days that isn't going to happen and we are all going to be left wondering where we go from here with HANK. The second reason the Rangers are struggling IMHO is that they lost a large percentage of their team in the off-season. It isn't just that they lost guys, it is the guys that they lost. None of them would be characterized as star players but all of them were solid contributors that were actually some of the most physical Rangers on the Roster. Those guys are BOYLE, CARCILLO, DORSETT, STRALMAN and POULIOT. I'm leaving CALLY out because he was traded in January. That list is a really the heart and sould of the guys that brought a physical game almost every night. Even STRALMAN was good at leveling guys as they came across the blue line. The Rangers lost that aspect of their identity. The replacements for those guys include STEMPNIAK, DUCLAIR, HAYES, FAST, HUNWICK/BOYLE and GLASS. Of that list only GLASS brings a physical element to his game but he brings little else. I would compare him to DORSETT but he doesn't skate nearly as well as DORSETT.

Vic


Wed Dec 3 2014 12:22 am EST

I've been traveling and super busy the last few weeks but I've watched all of the games. I'll catch up with a few thoughts. First, it is a little early to panic. I can understand why a lot of folks are concerned after losing 3 straight to Tampa and really being exposed badly in those games. All I can say is that it helps to take a few steps back and get some perspective. Nobody wins the Cup in November. Tampa may be streaking now but how will they be playing in April and May when it counts? Experience says that teams that peak early fade late in the season and in the playoffs. Teams that peak down the stretch have a better chance of going long in the playoffs. That said, it is hard for me not to like what Tampa has built. It is a very young team that is fast and loaded with skill. They brought in some character veteran players (who can still play) to lead in the locker room. That is a well built and run team. I do think they will have some issues in a just a few years when some of the vets they singed for big dollars are going to drop off badly. But, until then they will be a force to be reckoned with. As others have said they seem to be as bad a match-up for the Rangers as the Rangers appear to be to the Flyers. If there is 1 team in the east that I would like to see the Rangers avoid in the playoffs it would have to be Tampa.

Vic


Wed Dec 3 2014 12:17 am EST

If you read anything on Beliveau keep this in mind, which I just read. While he was winning 5 Cups by age 28, and Art Ross-, etc, he was working another job. DURING the season. Put on a suit & tie after practice & worked for Molson. Wow. I know they all did it back then in thr off season. But never knew that.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Dec 3 2014 12:01 am EST

For anyone still lamenting last night's loss...Tampa's loss to Buffalo is without a doubt a tribute to how hard of a game they had against the Rangers...Their game against Buffalo is, by no means, indicative of how "good" the Sabres are. That team is absolutely horrific. And while they have some really good young players on it...them holding Tampa at bay is more a sign of how tired the Bolts are and less of how good Buffalo is/can be.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 11:54 pm EST

Huge fan of Union Hockey...but if someone were to have told me at the start of the season that Josh Jooris would have twice as many goals as BC counterpart Kevin Hayes...or for that matter, that he'd even be in the NHL...I would have told them they're crazy...but lo and be hold...Man, talk about a team that's done a 180...Not sure if that team is for real, but they've got some real talent.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 11:52 pm EST

And Gordie Howe with a major stroke. Thatd be something if he & JB go within a day of each other, like Adams & Jefferson. Im not sure head-to-head just how much GH & JB went at it, if any geezers remember. Always thought it was more Howe vs. the Rocket but Im prob wrong.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 11:39 pm EST

RIP Jean Beliveau.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 11:32 pm EST

The other thing on Hall is, as long as Nash lines up at LW, he, Kreider, Hagelin and one of Glass or Miller is about as good as there is. So no room, though youd make room for Hall. But I dont see them trading any core young guys almost no matter.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 11:09 pm EST

AV sucks!

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 11:09 pm EST

Another thing we saw from TB was a team really getting up to play us. To be expected, we all knew thatd be the case and well, thats what it looks like. But Idk TB can play better. I KNOW we can. And still we were right there. I thought, make that know, they killed us first game. The game in Tampa they got spotted a goal and a mindless penalty late as we had 4 guys going to the net looking for the tie robbed us. This one, a mistake and a rotten call against MSL. Not the end of the world. In a way its good they see the challenge. New year, nothing's given to you. But teams go up & down. Theyre hot, and we need a tuneup somehow.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 10:37 pm EST

Maybe veenyo should watch tape of buffalo holding Tampa to one goal. Instead of his game plan of haste makes waste, pond hockey.

stevielegs


Tue Dec 2 2014 10:18 pm EST

Defense ay? What a novel idea....

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 10:17 pm EST

The Wrath of The Midget, Gary Bung-Holio Buttman...... Kings fined $100,000 for violating terms of Voynov ban Tuesday, 12.02.2014 / 3:14 PM / News NHL.com PrintE-mail NEW YORK -- The Los Angeles Kings have been fined $100,000 for violating the terms of defenseman Slava Voynov's suspension, the National Hockey League announced Tuesday. Voynov skated with teammates Tuesday during a Club practice. Such activity is in direct contravention of the terms of the suspension levied Oct. 20, which permit Mr. Voynov to use club facilities and work with team personnel but prohibit his participation in any team-related functions or activities. The Kings issued the following statement: "This was clearly a mistake on our part and we accept full responsibility. It is incumbent upon us to be more vigilant in managing this situation to ensure that Slava's allowable training activities always remain separate from the team."

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 10:07 pm EST

Buffalo has won 5 of 6 prior to tonight. I've caught some of their recent games and they have clamped down defensively. I've always liked Nolan as a coach. Hope Sabes pull off the win. F Tampa !

stepunmytoe


Tue Dec 2 2014 9:29 pm EST

1/4 of the way into the 3rd and Buffalo has held Tampa to a 0 - 0 tie... Go figure?

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:42 pm EST

correction: amateur .... Where's the Schpel Czech ?

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:33 pm EST

C Mark: I recall watching Staal getting spun around and falling to the ice in at least two of the 3 games.. Through my amature eyes his skating is average, and he telegraphs every shot he takes when joining the rush..... The 5-6 year $5.5mill per is a lot of money, and I wouldn't offer him a dime more. AAMOF, I'd start turning up the heat on his agents ass..

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:25 pm EST

Brodeur signs one-year contract with Blues... (42.5 y/o) http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=741941&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:13 pm EST

The Wall just ebbs and flows emotionally depending on whether we win or lose. A couple of observations: 1. STAAL and KREIDER for HALL = insanity, even with a swap of 1st/2nd draft picks. Guys like KREIDER are not easy to find. He's a bit streaky in the scoring department and he takes some penalties, but his strength is intimidating and his speed is downright scary! I don't know why anyone thinks STAAL is someone we should move. Unless he absolutely can't be signed, you can't replace the tools he has. 2. LUNDQVIST vs. TALBOT. If we had another game this week I might have started Talbot. But we play four games in two weeks and Having Hank on the bench when we have five days off afterwards is just not good management. Sure, Hank isn't playing lights out, but he'll get it together, as he always does. We always have these conversations about the King at least once or twice a season. People keep saying this isn't like Hank. Heck, if he didn't have these slumps, THAT wouldn't be like Hank. He'll be there when it counts in the playoffs and we will get there. 3. ZUCC- Wild, I really don't get why anyone thinks he isn't engaged. 4. Calls to Fire AV? Seriously?

ColoradoMark


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:45 pm EST

Well that was fairly miserable. There are enough tools in the box that this should be a good club that doesn't struggle to once again make the playoffs. But of course we will.

MelvilleFred


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:43 pm EST

Td I always do! But its better when someone else does it! Ha!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:37 pm EST

RF4L - I think if you're talking what it would take to get a young player like HALL, you gotta start with what the Bruins got with SEGUIN and then realize the B's basically needed/badly wanted to move him, so they didn't exactly get full price...Still, the landed ERIKSSON, who WAS a top-six winger, Reilly SMITH, a top-prospect, Joe MORROW, a former first-rounder, and Matt FRASER, who is sort of a middling prospect...So Hall...we're talking Kreider, Miller, Skjei and Kristo...that would turn some heads in Edmonton.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:32 pm EST

This one goes out to all the MDZ and VL fans: "SAN JOSE, Calif: For the floundering Flyers, the benchings of their big-name players keep on coming. For Tuesday night’s game in San Jose, coach Craig Berube will bench Michael Del Zotto, who has struggled lately but was arguably the team’s best defenseman in the season’s first month, and veteran Vinny Lecavalier, a 405-goal scorer who will get strong Hall-of-Fame consideration when his career ends. Berube said Del Zotto has “played some really good hockey for us, but the last little while I find that he wasn’t moving the puck. He was trying to do too much himself. To me, his defensive play has dropped off a little. I talked to him today about getting back on track, moving the puck, joining the rush not leading the rush, and playing better defense.” Lecavalier, 34, is goal-less in his last 12 games, and Berube said it was “very difficult” to tell him he was being benched.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:31 pm EST

RR - Yeah, so....how does that translate to KREIDER being the best (or if you want to go with an alternative interpretation, strongest) LW in the NHL? It doesn't. But do enjoy slapping yourself.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:20 pm EST

almost missed happy hour,,,it's miller time....taste great less filling......miller high life......

stevielegs


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:19 pm EST

You forgot two things TD. Kreider dead lifts 600lb 5 or more times. Those guys you listed would leave their balls on the floor even once. and you forgot I know everything and you know nothing lol. Im busy, but I love when you think you can jump on me about something & I get to smack you upside the head.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:19 pm EST

TD: Re Hall - yes hearing the same thing. Also, however, it's recognized that something drastic has to occur there with the roster (GM and coaching changes haven't done anything). I suspect if the offer was right, Hall would be moved. Therein lays the rub - what's the right offer.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:14 pm EST

Hospo - Granted, I've talked up players here plenty. I've said guys are future top-liners...that the Rangers would immediately regret trading them...but saying a guys the best in the league? That's over the top for anyone on the team not named LUNDQVIST, IMO.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:05 pm EST

TDCHI - I say this in a light hearted way but, man,' I really do find it funny reading you take a poster to task for pumping up a young player too much too soon...

Hospo


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:59 pm EST

RF4L - From everything I've heard out of Edmonton, HALL is the one guy they're NOT looking to move. Everyone else, however...

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:58 pm EST

And I'm not posting this pushing for him to be moved. Yet. 2 months from now, however, it just may become an issue, like what happened with Callahan last year, although I'd argue Staal right now is more valuable to the Rangers than Cally was this time last year. It could get real dicey. And distracting.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:58 pm EST

RR - C'mon dude. I use my same litmus test with KREIDER as I do MILLER...young player...still not at or near full potential...but describing him as one of the strongest LWs in the league?!? Ever see Jamie BENN play? How about our own Rick NASH? ZETTERBERG? JVR? LANDESKOG? PACIORETTY? And if we're talking shear strength, LUCIC? I don't think Kreider on a good day even makes the top 10 LWs in the league...and speaking of LWs...That's where HALL plays and he's coming off an 80-point season, more than twice what Kreider had in his best as an NHLer....even speed-wise, I'm not sure if he's the fastest on the team, much less the league...think that designation goes to HAGELIN...Certainly, Kreider is a valuable piece and I wouldn't trade him unless the deal was too good to be true...don't think the Rangers would either...but man...you talk like the kid is in the HOF when he's still struggling to find consistency as a top-line player...Yeah, he's strong, fast and talented...and it's a package the Rangers haven't seen in someone his size probably since KOVALEV(who, irronically was a player that struggled with consistency)...but let's be realistic here. He's not goddamn superman...he's not even an all-star yet.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:56 pm EST

With that in mind, if Staal does get moved at the deadline, it's surely going to be to a contender - a team out of the POs won't be looking for a rental, which he will be. If so, Sather surely wouldn't send him to a contender in the east - so what possible contender out west needs defensive help?

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:53 pm EST

KIS: That's a bit of a stretch I think, but if it was possible, it would only go down if the Oil get them to agree to new contracts. That makes it really difficult. I bet Staal would play out his deal (if he was sent to a team like Edmonton) and sign elsewhere this summer, not matter how much the Oilers pleaded!

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:34 pm EST

Wildcard - TOTALLY disagree on ZUCC...Every shift that guy is involved. Bag on him for taking a bad penalty here or there...but the guy has had a fine season. His offense will kick in soon...He's getting chances...he's just snake-bit right now...TONS of posts....impossible for a player to play like he's been playing and stay cold.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 4:23 pm EST

Wildcard - My point is that despite what the Rangers may see HAYES as, I simply don't see him as a center...I think they're pushing a circular peg into a square hole there...And frankly, I'd love to see what a kid of that size and that talent would do with a couple of really talented guys like BRASSARD and ZUCC on his line...simple as that. Moving MILLER to third-line center accomplishes two things...it puts two kids where they are most comfortable...It's not that I don't think Miller can play wing. I know he can...I just see him as being a better center...I do thing keeping Hayes center is a bit of a mistake. I think if the kid was at wing, we'd see a lot more offense out of him..I think we could have a real nice power forward. At center, however, I'm worried his offensive game is going to end up stunted...JMHO.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 3:58 pm EST

Here's where any deal involving Kreider (The Untouchable) crashes with sensibility. Taylor Hall has a career-high 27 goals and 53 points. You'd be giving up one of the strongest, maybe bar none, left wings in hockey (not to mention one of the biggest & fastest. With one of the hardest shots. Who takes out enemy goalies in the playoffs in a single MFing bound. LOL) You really think Kreider is never going to touch 53 points? How is it in our long-term interest to do such a deal if so? It doesn.t Kreider will score 27, for many years. Will Hall? That kid plays too big for his body. he's reckless, in a great way (a way we could really use), but he also gets hurt. Kreider is a rock. Draft picks, to a team in a 2-3 year Cup window, take on a whole new (almost far lesser) meaning. So why give up a guy we know is good in the playoffs for a guy who's never appeared in one, disrupt our balance, for how much of a gain? How much better is Hall than Kreider right now. IDK - but not much. To think of adding in Staal is ubatz, I dont care how many picks are flying back & forth. Ideally, you'd want to give up 3 young pieces for a Hall. Miller/Hayes or both and a Duclair or someone else. IF Edmonton had interest in totally re-tooling or intrading their (probably) best player, which certainly hasnt been published anywhere.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 3:31 pm EST

KIS: Sign me up for that trade....never happen...but hell yeah I do that one.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 3:25 pm EST

I wouldn't o Kreider but I would think about Staal and zucc for hall and the first. thats a lot of bong hitting though.

KIS


Tue Dec 2 2014 3:05 pm EST

Rabid: Its not something that anyone would WANT to do, and it wouldn't be due to a slow start....but if you can improve your team short term and long term you have to take the idea seriously. Hall and a top 5-10 pick is nothing to turn your nose up at. And simply turning down any offer because its a young guy who is a good player is not going to improve the team....not that a deal like that would ever come along, but if it did, I sure hope the Rangers brass takes a longer look at it seems you would.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:55 pm EST

I know, Wild. I shouldnt stick my beak in where its not requested. I have to work on that. It just makes sense on so few levels. Wtf are we trading Kreider? Cause a bit of a slow start? Cause we lost to TB? Its blasphemous to me. At some point you pick your team & live & die with them. Id love to add Hall, as would 28 other teams. But I dont see us moving young core guys (especially not maybe the best forward of the bunch) for anyone we might bring in.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:48 pm EST

add to that, Staal may be gone anyway....if he wants 6+ per year he will be gone I am sure...so if you an get value for him you do it. Of course thats if you have had conversations with his agent and feel it wont get done.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:47 pm EST

Rabid: I said their first rounder as well. That right there is worth Kreider most likely...the Oilers will be a top 10 or perhaps even a top 5 pick with a chance at the number one overall.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:46 pm EST

Dan Boyle's bloodwork hasnt come back yet & if he doesnt improve team will have to investigate further.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:28 pm EST

Trade Kreider & Marc Staal for Taylor Hall (who's always hurt)? Sure, Id do that deal. Just before I swallowed the business end of a shotgun.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:04 pm EST

RF4L: I agree on Kreider...but its so hard to really see what he will become. He is a bigger player, and those guys sometimes have these ups and downs early. BUT if an unbelievable trade comes along he might be moved. I just don't see the rangers "shopping" him, it would be more of a team coming to them and making an offer that is really good. You know, the Oilers come with a crazy offer like Hall and their first rounder for Kreider, Staal and a second rounder...well...I think you have to do it...it wouldn't be "nice" but it would be a good hockey move. But if someone wants Kreider for Stewart from BUF (even though I like him) you tell them to pound sand.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 2:00 pm EST

Also, I agree that Kreider shouldn't be abandoned yet. I guess my point is more that a 18 months ago, if you believe all the hype about the Nash trade taking so long because the BJs wanted him, Kreider appeared to be an untouchable. Given the way he burst onto the scene (POs in 2012) that made sense, too. His inconsistency then has been maddening. He was very good in the POs last year, save for all those misses on all those golden chances. Coming into this year, many of us were anticipating more of what we saw in last year's POs with some adjustments so he'd score more often. We saw hints of that early - I recall only 1 breakaway goal from him to date and it was Nash who sprung him. Lately, however, there's been nothing even close to that. Is it because he needs to be with high-end players who can set him up? Well, if so, he isn't exactly playing with clunkers - Stepan might be the best passer on the team and MSL ain't exactly talent-less. IMO he's simply not using his speed to his advantage. Again.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:53 pm EST

Hospo: Re Hayes - bang on dude. That's what I am seeing, too. I like his size and his skating and for sure, he appears to have a nice grasp of his responsibilities without the puck. It's the offensive side of his game that isn't there, yet. And it's bringing down that 3rd line from an offensive standpoint. I've been posting about this for a while now. This isn't to bad-mouth the kid - he's doing very well overall. I wonder what 2 months in Hartford, centering the first line (meaning first PP duties, too) would do for him? Couldn't hurt. I also wonder what he was promised when he was signed...

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:51 pm EST

Hospo: I for one would not be shocked to see the Rangers trade for a really good vet 3rd line center...don't know who that would be, but the idea of it is very good. Get a guy who is really good on face-offs, can ship in offensively and is good defensively. that would stabilize the center position more and let them send hayes to the minors. Of course hayes keeps improving and maybe by the time they have a option to do that trade they wont need to. But it still wouldn't shock me to see.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:48 pm EST

JFC: I don't see how AV can spread his scoring out through 3 lines when the 3rd line has a center who is learning both the league and the position. Hayes signing was a nice coup by Sather and there's plenty of aspects to his game to be encouraged about, but generating offense, at least at this juncture, isn't one of them. IMO, Hagelin, he of semi-cement hands, is making that line go with his strong forechecking and ability to bring the puck into the opposition's end. Genuine scoring chances, however, are too few and far between IMO. Alas, I don't know what the alternative is - Stepan and Brassard clearly lineup as the top 2 centers and Moore is best suited to center the 4th line. Who else is there? From what I've seen, Hayes appears to be a better choice that Jitters and after those 2, who is there? Lindbergh perhaps? If so, it means Hayes goes down (definitely worth a consideration) or he moves to the wing (not so good if the organization is determined that he develops as a center). You mention moving Kreider down - that's certainly worth a look-see but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. If Miller can show some consistency, he might help - he handles the puck well and appears capable, if he's shite is together, of generating offense. It's a dilemma management knew they had as soon as they jettisoned BR. No doubt they are desperately hoping Hayes is one of those rare kids who only needs 1/2 a season to get things going. That's where Sather may concentrate his shoring up in the new year (as the deadline approaches) if that line still isn't scoring much by then.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:47 pm EST

RF4L - Some validity to that, but I think it's too early to want to give up on Kreider..We've seen how good he can be in various stretches. and especially in PO hockey.....I'd rather work in putting together the right lines where his talents emerge more becasue, as you say, we need all the physicality we can get..OTOH, it's possible that there isn't much more to the Kreider iceberg...keep your fingers crossed

Hospo


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:42 pm EST

WILD - I'm with you, why on earth would you move MILLER back to C where he has struggled mentally..and becomes inconsistent?...Let him use his physical abilities at W, like he has the last two games, for the ENTIRE YEAR...Maybe next year you move him.........The other part of the issue is HAYES..I watch him and I trukly do see some good things and know he is going to be a strong NHLer in the future..But most of the time I watch him and want him back in the AHL gaining experience and learning things....I have the feeling still that this is where the Rangers will upgrade eventually..We'll see..maybe Hayes will erase my doubts

Hospo


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:36 pm EST

Ola: Yes, agreed he's not in the top 6 for sure and perhaps even top 9. I know I'm gonna get lambasted on here for this, but if Kreider's value amongst the rival GMs is still very high, perhaps Sather should explore moving him. Not in a 1 for 1 deal, but in a package deal that nets the Rangers someone like Taylor Hall. By saying this, I'm not saying Kreider's a bust, but what if this is what he is? A player with some fine raw tools, but saddled with a hockey mind that isn't able to fully capitalize on them? If so, he'll for ever leave you wanting more. So tough to predict, I know and this is only his 2nd full NHL season so hopefully, he'll get his game together. The Rangers are so non-physical in general; having him, arguably their most physical forward, invisible really compounds that shortcoming IMO.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:03 pm EST

Ola: Come on...Zucc has had like 3 or 4 games this season were you could say he was an impact for his line or around the puck a lot. Face it...he is having a crap year. The last two games and part of one right before that he has looked better, I am hopeful he has turned the corner, but only time will tell.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 1:00 pm EST

td: Your answer is always to move Hayes to wing...and Miller to center. Miller just had two really good games at the NHL level at wing, and the Rangers have been clear about Hayes being a center. Why mess with what is working? Sure move Kreider, but I would put him WITH Hayes, and maybe Duclair, and put Miller up where Kreider is or something like that...even Hags in place of Kreider. But moving Hayes from center is a long shot for the Rangers and Miller I think is proving a lot of people were correct, he is a better winger than a center...at least at the NHL level.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:55 pm EST

RF4L- I have to agree on Kreider. And what is disturbing me is that when he is playing like he is right now -- he got zero value. Hagelin can be really cold, but he still pushes the other team back with his size and forechecks effectively etc. Zucc is always around the puck, being a big factor on his line. When Kreider gets involved he scores goes and is effective, but then he disappears completely for long stretches. That is a bit suprising. We saw it late last season too after he had established himself, but early this year it looked like he had taken that final step and like he was destined to be a bigger factor. If we where to rank our 12 forwards this year, you could argue that Kreider isn't even in the top 9. Certainly not top 8...

Ola


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:52 pm EST

Fwiw, Kreider's 2nd best showing of the season came with Hayes versus St Louis on just an insanely dominant shift. BOTH guys were beasts. The BIGGEST problem I see top 6 is you can only shift one guy around or you end up with two midgets (msl & zuc) flanking a nonphysical or non-fast center. Hayes with a nice finish last night, BTW. If I'm gonna talk about him holding the puck too too long gotta give credit too.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:48 pm EST

I agree with td that lack of discipline was a big problem last night....and it has been a problem since game #1. there have been far too may games this season where they killed their own momentum with stupid, undisciplined penalties and it needs to stop. And I'll stand by what I stated last night....AV needs to change the lineup. I'd probably keep Zucc-Brass-Nash together, but everything else needs to be looked at. The line-up is too top-6 heavy with talent...he needs to spread that talewnt throughout the lineup. One advantage he has is that I don't see many guys who can't play "up" on a consistent basis. And what difference does "up" really make if AV would simply give ice time based on merit rather than reputation and hope?...the hope that somehow someone on the top-6 will score. Maybe Kreider needs to be on a "less talented" line to spark him to take matters into his own hands and make things happen on the ice. Maybe when he's on with "too much talent", he tries to finesse everything when he should just be turning on the jets and busting it North-South. Put him on the 3rd line with Hayes and move Duclair or Miller up to top-6 and see what happens. AV needs to spread the wealth throughout the lineup. MIller and Duclair have both shown that they can play top-6, so take a top-6 guy and put him further down the lineup to balance the scoring and wake people up!!

JFC31


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:43 pm EST

Hospo - Didn't notice that...still FAST and MILLER only got a dozen shifts...less than 9 minutes a piece. I thought they BOTH deserved a little more...but I also see the logic in not throwing them out there on a PK against Tampa...on KREIDER...just looking at his stats now...FOUR giveaways...that's probably why he was benched...lead the team...had the most on both teams...didn't seem to me that he was playing as physical either...and I think to a degree, he's not meshing well with MSL...my solution is(has been) to move HAYES up to the BRASSARD-ZUCC line, move NASH back up with STEP and Kreids...then have MSL, MILLER and HAGS on that third line...Hate to have FAST on fourth, but him, MOORE and STEMNIAK makes a very strong fourth line.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:31 pm EST

Hospo, if you saw Kreider just a few games ago,mthink it was against Montreal but not 100%, the guy was putting it all together for a good chunk of the game. And I mean putting it together; he was fast-breaking, he was firing from every angle (especially the high slot,where he needs to be, if not lower), he was making great passes and he was banging bodies and staying out of the box. But like the team he seems to go through a malaise every once in a while, and that's before him just not finishing on some attempts. I think he's pent up & pissed, and he also seems to be getting flagged more, which is another flow-kill for him and hurtful for the team, obviously. Gotta think with Stephan and MSL he gets going eventually.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:25 pm EST

Team USA released its WJC roster...HALVERSON selected as one of three goalies...Thatcher DEMKO, I suspect, will be the starter...but Halverson will get some ice...no surprise, Keegan IVERSON didn't make the team...he's having a pretty blase season with the Portland Winterhawks...no other real surprises...US has a pretty talented team...think they're a little suspect on defense, but have two strong goalies and just some beasts at forward...HAYDEN...FASCHING...and this kid drafted by Montreal...McCARRON...gonna be a tough haul to top the all-stars from Canada, but hopefully McDAVID spends the tourney thinking about how stupid that fight was and not playing.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:22 pm EST

TDCHI - Not a devastating loss as the turning point was the mistakes at the end of the great 5-3 PK and The King definiely let the team down...but it is a season sweep for Tampa Bay and that can obnly help their confidence if we meet them again,,..But, out of mind for now......MIller got switched with Kreider in the 3rd so this Miller getting the short-end of the stick is a little over done.....Agree with you on ZUCC..From what I have seen this year (not as much as most) he has been a very inconsistent player and often very selfish/irresponsible.....part of this could be his lack of comfort with his line and line-mates....As for Kreider, other being a physical beast at times (both speed and strength) he really hasn't shown all that much....Things like this are why I have a hard time counting on kids, like I did with him this year,,,....I don't know what the solution is for him...A simpler game?

Hospo


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:07 pm EST

Lotta drama here for a loss that I wouldn't even rank in the worst five they've had this season...Were some pretty fundamental breakdowns and the King did play like a South Beach queen...couple things I noticed...first was that the Rangers got into a special teams duel with Tampa, which is the WORST thing you can do with a team that has the likes of HEDMAN and STAMKOS on the roster...one of the reasons they've been so effective against the Pens has been they play DISCIPLINED hockey...that game...just a lot of undisciplined penalties...the one that comes to mind is ZUCCARELLO'S obstruction of KILLORN in the second...don't even recall if it lead to a goal, but all those penalties totally disrupted the flow of the game...and it pressured/convinced AV to shorten his bench somewhat needlessly...At one point, seemed like he was basically using five forwards(STEP, NASH, BRASSARD, MSL and ZUCC)...Not sure if anyone noticed, but KREIDER was benched for at least a shift in the second...maybe more...Saw Dom MOORE in his place...wasn't sure if maybe he just had a skate issue...but checking his ice(13 minutes), it sure sounds like AV made him grab some pine...I do think there's been some regression with him...MILLER and FAST both looked good and I was a little disappointed they ended up getting the shaft when it came to ice time. Maybe AV is trying to inch them along...but by the third, the Rangers looked gassed...That's not to say they didn't play some good hockey...the team looked pretty goddamn awesome through the first two...really until the MSL penalty in the third, they were in that game and winning it...that penalty though, deflated everything...HANK does need to play better. But I'd rather have him cold now and then heat up in the spring than vice versa...bottom line, I'm not anywhere near the edge of the bridge where some of you are standing...Tampa is a tough nut to crack. Only six losses on the year...The fact the Rangers hung in hard and were actually up for a while gives me hope when we face them in the POs.

tdchi


Tue Dec 2 2014 10:17 am EST

Brutal game last night, Lundqvist gave up some bad goals, Moore’s blunder on the two man PK cost us the game, skating back into the defensive zone with the puck at the end of the PW, to then give Captain Mac a flopping end-over-end bad pass in a bad spot when Mac is not anticipating a pass. This was the game changing play. Maybe Zuccarello and Krider need to take a couple of games off the bench. I too am glad we don’t play the Boltz again in the regular season, but think we will beat them in the play-offs. What an impact playing with confidence has on the performance of NHL players.

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Dec 2 2014 9:52 am EST

And Id rather hold the rights to Ho Sang than Anthony Duclair, who showed less & less as time went on. If we're talking pure offensive players its not even close imo. And I like Duclair. But we probably trade him for JT anyway haha.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 9:02 am EST

RR: The fact that he's jewish, Chinese and black has zero to do with the decision. Iginla played in the past. So did Nigel Dawes. So did Mike Cammalleri - twice! There are a ton of other examples - too numerous to mention.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:55 am EST

And btw, weve seen a million goalies get credit for beating the Rangers when they had no biz getting any credit. Our offense was and still s ometimes is pathetic. Nowadays its more a matter of penetrating than possession. But that Bishop looks like the biggest goalie ever. He gets on his knees theres just not much there. Busy workday so wont be here starting arguments lol. Youre all a bunch of strokers & Sather sucks.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:47 am EST

Nothing new for JHS getting left off TC. Thats where his p.r. troubles started Hes too jewish, chinese, black , outspoken & good. Wonder what he'll say this time? Lol. Did think NYR would win. Looked like they might for a while.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:23 am EST

Kreider is goalless in 10 games and MZA has 1 in 9 games. These are 2 of the 4 top wingers for this club - that production doesn't cut it. Both need to wake up.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:15 am EST

5 3 and 2 in their last 10; all 3 losses against the Bolts. Glad they are done with them!

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:10 am EST

And Hospo's right - it's spelled nob. You are very argumentative aren't you, ya wanker!

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:09 am EST

And I was kidding about firing AV - you don't fire a coach over how he uses his goalies anyways.

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 8:07 am EST

RR: You're annoyed because 1) you predicted a big win for the Rangers yesterday and 2) your idol Ho Sung was left off Canada's junior invite list. ;^)

RF4L


Tue Dec 2 2014 7:55 am EST

10th year a charm. Very funny, Nick. Id be somethin if he secures a Cup this late in his career. Odds against but timing's everything. If we could get Ladd here Stemp or Miller/Glass become odd men out. Gotta move some pieces around. Ladd is top 9 all the way. But before you even think of a wing, is Hayes staying or not? Duke's going. Dont think theres much of a rationale with what AV has been doing.that was another quick, high-skill game he kept him out of last night.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 6:02 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/12/02/lundqvists-head-scratching-regression-is-killing-the-rangers/

stevielegs


Tue Dec 2 2014 5:17 am EST

Good news is we dont play TB again in regular season. So a bit embarrassing/frustrating to drop 3 but NYR played with them for most part. A team playing great like that, you need to be firing on all cylinders to beat. Meaning you need your PP ( Boyle was noticeably absent on kate PP chance; Hunwick's not much of a fill in), and your lines have to be synched. Ours arent just yet. Still think lines AV threq together are best we can muster aspresently constututed. Wouldve loved to see Malone Iin that game. JT Miller had one shift in 2nd period. I didnt notice him much. Nash was fantastic, so much quicker this year.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:59 am EST

Hank made a Pig's dinner out of this game......

PJ


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:42 am EST

http://rangers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

mf


Tue Dec 2 2014 12:23 am EST

The Rangers ate a chocolate shit pie tonight.......then washed it down with a chocolate shit shake

TradeStar28


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:33 pm EST

Hospo, "what a load of bollocks!" :-) and now all the English grammar teachers come out of the shadows.. Very "peculiar," ay?

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:17 pm EST

Geezer.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:17 pm EST

PJ - Ah Tallywacker...Put out an APB for the Escaped Tallywacker! such a funny scene in Porkys!...NICK - never heard that one,..but there was one other four letter word I was avoiding from that definition of NOB that the Brits love to use.

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:11 pm EST

Hospo, here's one: "Plonker." Standard-issue asshole, from what I gather.

Nick


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:11 pm EST

PJ/RABID - Indeed The King had an off game....I missed the first half of the game where I gather they did some good things,,,...but that gimme goal after the 5-3 Kill hurt big time and after that I think the Bolts were clearly the better team,,

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:10 pm EST

Tallywacker.....

PJ


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:09 pm EST

Didn't like the call on MSL either and the call on McD leading to the 5 on 3 was horrendous.....

PJ


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:08 pm EST

KIS - Never mind the Bullocks...Wait, that should be the name of an album! ....There were some other fave British words I left off also,,

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:07 pm EST

Rangers didnt play great but tie game in 3rd & very iffy call on MSL tipped it their way, imo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:06 pm EST

Just me I guess but I thought the Rangers showed up tonight...Hank just had a bad game...No big saves I can remember...We were awesome killing the 5 on 3 allowing one shot....Need Hank to make a save shortly after and he didn't....

PJ


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:02 pm EST

Kis: LOL on the Apolo Ohno. Speed, baby! Anyway the NYR aren't as good as Tampa so why the panic? Play PHL and TB all year, go 41-41. That's about what we'll be anyway. Get in and get hot; hope Hank earns his dough when it matters. Maybe the tenth year's the charm for the guy.

Nick


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:00 pm EST

oh I forgot bullocks. hahaha

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:58 pm EST

hospo you forgot that the english also use cheeky bastard

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:53 pm EST

RABID - Don't let it bother you..Everybody has their quirks and everybody has at least one individual they need to ignore on this place!

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:50 pm EST

Tnx for the clarification Hospo. Still sick of his shit every loss. I didnt hear him complaining when we posted the most shutouts since 1937 these first 20 or so games. Hysterical knee-jerk bullshit.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:47 pm EST

Wow a fire veenyo rears its ugly head .... Over prince vs king ... 6 points to tampons ... Just that time of the month and year... No pmsing .... No doubt veenyo is slow while preaching speed... Need some blacknblue sandpaper grit.... It's invisible ::::6-4 and they don't shoot .... Can't score that way..:hank doesn't really seem to believe he's not playing good against lightnin hopkids ...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:44 pm EST

RF4L: Wait, so the dude who coached us to the Stanley Cup Final last year should be FIRED if he doesn't start his backup over arguably the best goalie in the world just because that goalie isn't playing his best right now? I've seen some crazy overreactions in my 15 or so years on this board, but that might take the cake. Congrats.

chinstrap


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:44 pm EST

RABID - And just to be a NOB. I.m sure he's using it in the right way..NOB - British slang term for the penis. Typically used as an excellent cheap insult. Used in jest (above "moron", just below "twat", "), or used to describe someone w.....ho is doing something you think is annoying or a bit crap. ,,,As for the Rangers, what a quirky schedule..wait 5 days until Detroit and Pitt in back2back then wait another 5 days to star a Western trip..Alot of practice time though,,

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:38 pm EST

BRASSARD- Fuck'n Awesome game... dude is killing it this ear with the incredible sharp passes.. I am watching on DVR and NYRs are up 3-2... unfortunately, I know the outcome.. gonna watch it anyways..

schneidw


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:37 pm EST

Get it right RF. Its knob. And better that than an asset-managing a-hole that cries about a no. 1 pick every time we lose. Its gonna be a long week.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:32 pm EST

And if Talbot doesn't start against the Wings and if the Rangers wins, doesn't start against the Penguins, AV should be fired (JMHO).

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:32 pm EST

Here ya go Raging R: That Brassard/Fast combo was fabulous!

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:30 pm EST

RR: Ignore my posts then ya nob.

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:25 pm EST

Jesus RF, do you waste any time with the Sather sucks shit? Everybody knows the deal with Sather. Root for the fucking team or not.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:22 pm EST

RF4L - I missed a lot of games earlier in the year, all I know is he just looked a bit unsteady tonight with too many mistakes...Not that the other Ranger D-men, especially Klein and Moore, faired much better tonight against the Bolt pressure..actually, the entire team was kinda careless with the puck..

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:22 pm EST

I sure love me a few things about this game/. Love how the defense was better when McD was injured. Love how a 19 year old kid is once again sitting around instead of getting ice time somewhere and I LOVE me a .750 save %.

Bob


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:15 pm EST

Hospo: To me, McD is playing now like he was before he got hurt. But you're right - he has to get better.

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:10 pm EST

Hmmm..guess I have to rethink my posit that the Rangers can outskill and outskate all the teams in the East...Definitely not the case with TB in the two games I have seen...The Rangers can skate with them but they looked so disorganized with little chemistry in the 2d half of the game...I know Kreider and MIller switched but it goes much further then that...Wasn't crazy about either of the top two lines......You also might think a team down in the third might crash the net a little but the Rangers just do not have that player and like keeping things pretty and to the outside..It won't work all the time...I know HAYES has scored a few goals but sometimes he looks really out of place and is getting too many minutes to do that...JMWO....To me, the turning point of the game was the 5-3 in the 2nd period....GIRARDI and STAAAL (and Moore I think) were doing a fantastic job, out there for about 2:20 without a rest and then both Dom MOORE (maybe tired) and MCD don't or can't make the simple play in getting the puck out of the zone and the Bolts score with Hayes just looking around as he got back on the ice...Little things......ANd MCD sure is rusty..quite a few mistakes leading to at least two goals...That will stop

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:05 pm EST

nyr unable to defend against and beat a team at their own speed game ....way to go veenyo.....try a prince against a bishop next time.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:00 pm EST

Oh yeah, another invisible game by Kreider...

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:59 pm EST

A goalie with coming off a shutout was sitting on the bench. Msl call was b.s. & turned the game. But 3 straight to TB a black eye no doubt.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:58 pm EST

Duclair scratched....again. Idiots....

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:57 pm EST

KIS: That's an AV team for ya! He doesn't like physical hockey. Why do you think McI got 1 game this year and Kostagoal got 7?

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:56 pm EST

I like the speed i like the skill but it is a contact sport as well this team needs to do more than just skate.

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:55 pm EST

Bottom line is the Rangers looked, once again, like a PO bubble team against the Bolts.

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:55 pm EST

Mess, WTF does that stat mean. what type of hits. who hit? those are bullshit numbers. hitting somebody with a stick shouldnt count as ahit. Tampa defenders never were concerned with getting hit. they retrieved the puck without turning their heads many times. the Rangers don't finish their check. If they hit somebody its a soft brush. Kreider, can he do something other than skate fast. Hell if thats what this team is about they should sign apollo ono. that is not competing When you play and you are a professional you do whatever needs to be done to win. this team does one thing, skate, and if thats ok thy are fine. Make that fuckin Tampa team at least fight and feel uncomfortable.

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:54 pm EST

Pretty funny watching Staal get spun to the ice trying to stick-check Brett Connolly in the 2nd period.

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:52 pm EST

Detroit, Pittsburgh and Vancouver up next. Yikes...

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:50 pm EST

We only get to play the Flyers I think one more time.

jratelle19


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:50 pm EST

Another embarrassing loss courtesy of the Bolts. And to rub it all in, they have the Rangers first pick next June. Like taking candy from a baby. Job for life!!!

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:50 pm EST

McD playing sloppy this year. trying to do to much. he must simplify his game

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:49 pm EST

A shakeup is definitely needed at this point. This is unacceptable.

jratelle19


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:49 pm EST

Rangers outhit lightning 25-15....

Messier11


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:48 pm EST

these games havent even been close with Tampa. total fuckin bullshit. Slats do your job NOW!!!!!!!!!!

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:48 pm EST

Bishop turns king into his pawn

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:48 pm EST

15 effin goals against in 3 games against TBL... We are NEVER going to win giving up 5 goals per.... This is disgusting.........

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:47 pm EST

15 ga wafj

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:46 pm EST

Bishop outduels the King.....checkmate!

jratelle19


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:40 pm EST

5 goals on 20 shots holy guacamole

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:39 pm EST

They are not strong enough. Nobody hits. nobody does the dirty work. One dimensioinal

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:37 pm EST

It's "back to the drawing board" for Vigneault AFAIAC. They beat up a sucky Flyers team twice and then get beat for a 3rd time by Tampa. AV needs to juggle his lineup....he has 5 days to do it. This lineup has had more than enough games to,show what they're capable of....it's capable of beating weak teams and having sharp,games followed by lousy games against good teams....too inconsistent

JFC31


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:31 pm EST

Up 3-2 give up 3 straight... Hank gives up 14 goals in 3 games against this team... He deserves chateau bow wow... No way should he play against them and the arch- bishop , working on 8-0 , the next time they meet ... His pads are probably 6" higher than most so he blocks half the net with his pads ...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:27 pm EST

Not one of HANK's better games for sure.

Vic


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:26 pm EST

Is JT in the chateau bow-wow again? One shift in the 2nd period, 2 in the 3rd...6:36 TOI

JFC31


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:25 pm EST

the king is a fuckin nightmare sometimes. why not try talbot against this tampa team because hank cant beat them

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:24 pm EST

Hank looks like he doesn't want to play this team.......and he gets nervous every time our D touches the puck....then again so do I

rngrsans


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:24 pm EST

this team is too one dimensional. when they can and when they plpay well they are tough but if they cant play that one way they are fucked. to win a championship you ned more than one way to win

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:21 pm EST

Pull hank wtft up

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:20 pm EST

Lets hope they don't meet Tampa in the playoffs! Not much urgency in some folks

rngrsans


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:20 pm EST

Nyr are bad at getting the puck out of their zone

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:12 pm EST

Hayes is too lackadaisical ...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:05 pm EST

D. MOORE & McDONAGH both failed to clear when they had time and HAYES got caught puck watching and didn't pick up CARLE.

Vic


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:03 pm EST

RR when the games get tighter and tougher you will see what Im saying. First, Kreider needs to do more, especially playing 1st or 2nd line minutes. Don't need both msl and zucc, its redundant. fast could be replaced as well. I'd much rather see a third line of chimura moore and hags come march. don't know about the 4th line but so far a group of miller, fast and hayes doesn't look impressive for a SC team. having to ice Moore or hunwick in the back isn't good enough either. the team needs an upgrade there as well

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 9:03 pm EST

Stated by MSL during the break, "we need to win a period,"

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:50 pm EST

Does bank know he can freeze the puck on the pp or as it ends with dead tired guys that stopped 5-3 and 5-4?

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:36 pm EST

McD couldn't get it out of the zone...ugh

JFC31


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:25 pm EST

Yeah Yeah Yeah !!!!! great puck movement on the PPG !

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:25 pm EST

Pp 1001 smarty

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:25 pm EST

MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:23 pm EST

Nash robbed!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:22 pm EST

Lunqvist don't trust his teammates....knew there was a delayed call and stood there! Ha

Shaggy


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:21 pm EST

That's two goals in two games for Fast

Messier11


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:20 pm EST

Nyr too much stick checks not enough body checks

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:19 pm EST

Guess dicka and red missed zucchini stick being held

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:18 pm EST

See KIS, that's this team. When they connect, they look great. I also don't know where you add a big (nasty) body where it makes enough of a difference. Who comes out? (Hags is playing his ass off, btw. winning every battle). Most of all though, the coach doesn't seem to want it. I do not agree.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:16 pm EST

Nash-brass-fast

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:16 pm EST

What a great play & fake by a Brass!!

JFC31


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:14 pm EST

Brass-fast

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:14 pm EST

Sweet Swedish Meatballs

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:14 pm EST

Nice play Brassard!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:09 pm EST

Game's under my skin. yeah, we're way too fine & polite for my taste. TB reminding me a lot of LA. But NN, this link's the best. Tnx.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:06 pm EST

Kis; How about two pain in the asses like oh I don't know....... Carcillo and Dorsett ?

stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:57 pm EST

cant lose 3 games in a row to this or any team. The Rangers need some grinders and rough tough hard working players. the rangers have to many of the same type of player. this team could use a player like chimera from the capitals. Ladd would be grea but he would cost to much. chimera is the type I am looking for. at least 2 like him. Big fast pain in the ass. I also wish the Rangers would have traded for Johnny boychuk instead of him going to the Islanders. This Ranger team is to pretty

KIS


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:50 pm EST

That's what I like to see from Nash. Crank it up.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:45 pm EST

wth? argh...

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:42 pm EST

Good shift by JT Miller, including a nice pass to Staal for the shot...

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:40 pm EST

Now we're turning it on & they're scrambling.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:38 pm EST

There's that 3rd line. Hags is due to find himself a center.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:37 pm EST

Gabby Hayes...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:37 pm EST

Purple Haze !

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:37 pm EST

OH YEAH!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:33 pm EST

Wabbit's are pesky..........

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:31 pm EST

Go on Twitter to ask jitter ....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:31 pm EST

Right on NN!; these TB dudes are pesky.... we got no flow.... yet. We're not getting inside offensively at all.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:28 pm EST

Streaming from Sec 213 tonight

DOUBLEN


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:25 pm EST

Tough bounce. Skate pass really.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:17 pm EST

She's a workin'! yeah baby. we look sharp first 1;15 LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:17 pm EST

Yes sir, we have a few other gals on The Wall too... One gal from Minnesota dropped out after a bout of questionable language.. She couldn't handle us referring to players as a bunch of pussies... Ce la vie'. ...........

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:09 pm EST

She? Only waiting anyway LOL> They never miss an excuse for a b.s. ceremony. Congrats Marty on 1,000 pts. 980 of which you scored elsewhere LOL. Gotta watch the tribute videos, Richards! (oh-no), Marty touching his chest. DROP THE PUCK!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 6:56 pm EST

RR: NN may need a minute, she streams from Section 106! :-)

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 5:47 pm EST

Double N, any idea if my stream will work again? Hope so, pumped for this game!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 5:36 pm EST

moof ain't that a kick in the head?....puck drop?.....drop kick?.....kicked by a cow? a mule?.....hockey 1 hockey 2....knock hockey......kick your glass.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 5:25 pm EST

7 PM Kick-off: Let's Go Ranger's !

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 4:19 pm EST

RF4L--what are the odds that Drouin, Lazar or Horvat are released?

Bob


Mon Dec 1 2014 4:17 pm EST

Rf4L: I had heard during a broadcast that 12/19 is the day they turn in a roster and those players go and can't be swapped out. However the teams could have open roster spots and fill them after that date. So they could name 2 less than the limit and then add a guy the day of the first game if he got released by his NHL team or was cleared to play by doctors....or if said player was not cleared or a player not released they could fill the spot with the next guy on the list.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 1 2014 3:43 pm EST

And for sure Team Canada's coach/management are dialoguing with the GMs of the NHL clubs having the underagers, trying to get a gauge on whether or not any will be made available. Aaron Ekblad will almost certainly not be released (nor will MacKinnon). The Canucks have Bo Horvat playing on their 4th line; he's a center. The Bolts have Droiun, who is a left wing. The other 2 possibilities are Curtis Lazar, playing for the Sens and of course, Duclair. Interestingly enough, Lazar is a right winger, just as the Duke is and Canada's camp invite list has 7 left wingers and 8 centers. Their right wing invite list has but 2 names...read into that what you will!

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 3:36 pm EST

Bob: You are correct in saying that not bring on the invite list doesn't mean the underagers currently in the NHL can't be added to the team. All clubs have until something like midnight 12/19 to name their final roster. Until then any of them can be added and if made available, some would certainly be a shoe-in. Nate MacKinnon is eligible; not that they would, but if the Aves made him available, I highly doubt the coaches would turn him down!

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 3:29 pm EST

It does seem very natural how a few things fell into place. Boyle down, allows for Moore to play. Glass under the weather, allows for Miller who "seems" due or ready for another call up.. Stempniak well enoough to be penciled in for DuClaw.. AND if a call behind the scenes gets DuClaw on the WJC roster, all good...... I believe JFC brought light to the "Hayes line" yesterday with a concern that Hayes may not be able to keep up with speedy Wingers going through the neutral zone; well, let's see if it puts a little giddy yap in his skating.. Should be interesting.......

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 3:17 pm EST

RF4L is be the expert, but I believe that junior eligible players cirrentky playing in the NHL are not named to the Canada camp, but are still eligible and invited should their clubs release them. If the Rangers release the Duke, he will go to the camp. Otherwise, the only thing underwhelming about the current forward config is Stemp on the 3rd line. I would rather see Miller there and Stemp on the 4th line. Whatever, should be a good test tonight.

Bob


Mon Dec 1 2014 3:05 pm EST

I like these lines too. Formidible top two scoring lines, Hags-Hayes-Stemp should provide strong two way play, and that 4th line should have more offensive punch. AV says Glass out a while longer so this is it. Seems very natural how it falls together.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:37 pm EST

Liking the lines, especially Kid K with Stepan / MSL because I feel we need a bigger body there than DuClaw or Hagelin... But damn, Kreider needs to keep up the intensity game after game ..... As for Tanner Glass, maybe if didn't take Coach AVeeno Oatmeal so long tofigure out his top 3 lines, like he did for tonight, & which I as a proud card carrying member of the CJC endorse, there'd be less ridicule or attention a 4th line winger who does his job for the most part. (37 assists in 398 career games doesn't exactly moooove me) .... As posted yesterday, we're in good shape with 2-3 guys in the wings so to speak where AV can create a different look, by moving 1 guy up or down a line & in or out of the lineup... Good Dilemma. IMO, we must tighten up the defensive side of the game, we have the speed & agility to do so...........

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:15 pm EST

Watched the games over the weekend...Some good things by the Rangers both the top lines and bottom lines, both vets and kids...What it takes....But, I gotta say the FLYERS are one pitiful team and in a complete mess..They have little skill and little physicality..Still think the Rangers are the most talented team--to to the bottom-in the EAST and could easily win it. becasue there soen't seem to be too many physical teams in the East, which I still think the Rangers need to address if they want to go all the way...But there's time..From the start, I thought MILLER at W with MOORE at C and Glass on the other wing could be a real good line..Ditto with FAST (in for Glass)who has earned his place..Hopefully that goal will give him even more confidence...Could be a fun line to watch

Hospo


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:14 pm EST

moof who's on first.....mcd did on Saturday ....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:12 pm EST

Who is playing the Right Side on the McDonagh / Moore pairing ? t/y

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:02 pm EST

Here are the projected lineups: Rangers: Rick Nash-Derick Brassard-Mats Zuccarello Chris Kreider-Derek Stepan-Marty St. Louis Carl Hagelin-Kevin Hayes-Lee Stempniak J.T. Miller-Dominic Moore-Jesper Fast Marc Staal-Dan Girardi John Moore-Ryan McDonagh Matt Hunwick-Kevin Klein Henrik Lundqvist (9-6-3, 2.57 goals-against, .911 save percentage)

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:01 pm EST

Damien Cox &#10004; @DamoSpin Canadian national jr. team hoping to get Anthony Duclair from NYR, and he's a healthy scratch tonight.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 2:01 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello @rangersreport Kreider returns. Boyle & Glass remain out. Duclair scratched. Lundqvist in goal vs. Bolts tonight. TBL expected to get Hedman back.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:29 pm EST

hahah...Scott Gomez...the Devils' youth movement! Gotta admit, watching the combination of the Devils and Flyers crash and burn is delightful. Sucks that we have to watch the meteoric rise of the Islanders now though.

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:18 pm EST

guess debbies are trying to get their average age down below 40......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:17 pm EST

Greg Wyshynski &#10004; @wyshynski New Puck Daddy: Artem Anisimov to miss up to 3 months, Columbus injury voodoo continues http://yhoo.it/1A7Xjxg

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:01 pm EST

And in 'LOL' news today... Rich Chere @Ledger_NJDevils Devils have signed Scott Gomez.

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:56 am EST

And then this: Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN AV: #NYR already have talked, & will talk more, about whether to send Duclair w/ Team Canada to World Juniors. Duclair could come back after

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:54 am EST

RR - I haven't the foggiest idea what you're trying to say in that post. And I could give a toss what Miller sounds like in an interview if he continues to play like he did Saturday.

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:53 am EST

Here's the roster: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2014-15/Selection-Camp/Roster

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:52 am EST

Well, the decision about DUCLAIR just got a little more interesting. Apparently, he didn't make Team Canada...no world juniors for the Duke. Might be because the team didn't think the Rangers would loan him out...might be because he simply didn't make the team. Either way, should be interesting to see what happens, especially if the Hartford callups continue to play well.

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:44 am EST

Looks like I called AVs lines for once. Now lets see if they can win. I can see us destroying TB tonight.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 11:10 am EST

TD, no one says Glass is any kind of feared precense. Under AV a hybrid tougher player who can contribute in a few other areas seems about as good (and as tough) as its gonna get. Glass is willing to get his face smashed for our guys, that should count for something. I dont know why you auto-infer the opposite when something is implicit and everybody knows. Btw, heard your boy didnt come off too well (though Trautwig is an awkward imbecile) on the telly. Havent seen it do cant say. Its just what I heard.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:58 am EST

Glass out with the mumps...Boyle getting tested for the mumps...Duclair the odd-man-out in the lineup.

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 10:18 am EST

I'm not really sure what you guys think GLASS is protecting. He's not a heavyweight. He's not even a very good fighter. He lays out some hits and goes hard to the net...but in terms of being an enforcer? He's another face to throw in front of the fist of real fighters. If I had a choice, I'd take NOLAN'S kid over him, just because his size...really what we have in Glass is a solid checking-line guy who doesn't really fit into AV's game, which is to have four lines to roll...I no more believe he's policing the ice than friggn' Dom Moore is policing the ice...And frankly, I'd rather have a couple of wings on that line who can score than Glass...But he's here. And I would be surprised if he goes anywhere.

tdchi


Mon Dec 1 2014 8:06 am EST

I also think Glass is having an impact on this team that is a real X-factor in these dicussions. That is that I am 100% sure that it has an impact on if not all a majority of players on the roster to have a heavy weight dude dressed. I don't know how to put it, but think of it like this. A group of 5 young males are going to a new club. Sometimes there are a bit of fighting going on at that club. One of those guys is a real heavy weight greek roman wrestler or whatever. A Olympic amature boxer. Will the 4 other guys act be a bit more comfortable or not? Teams always measure each otther and players measure their own team too. It starts when you warm up in the arena, it continues into the warm-up skate, and then it carries over the entire game. If a guy on the other team is making himself known, Glass is right there. If we don't have anyone who can drop them -- it has an affect on players. I don't know whom, its individual. But maybe someone like Brassard. "Glass got my back".

Ola


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:58 am EST

Rabid- I can't help but to be suprised about the Glass bashing too. Like did seriously -- anyone -- expect anything else? We play in the East. In 3 of 5 month's or whatever, one night, one team might be up to something. We have seen it in the past. Glass is an option to take out a player on the other team, preferbly with Glass dropping them with that someone. Or by Glass being a threat to go nutz which he might or might not do. But if like a team obviously takes out on of our guys with a hit job I think he would react. Glass is also doing a decent job along the boards.

Ola


Mon Dec 1 2014 7:52 am EST

0 and 3 after tonight for the season's record against the Bolts? I hope not. And Callahan needs to be treated like who he is - an opposing player who's not very big but likes to feast on going to the net.

RF4L


Mon Dec 1 2014 6:58 am EST

somebody on the nyr better line up and crash, Call-a-hand ( who has been running nyr), boil, and stroll-man up tonight, and crush them....they are the enemy along with stamerkos.....and their goalie....just playing the speed game with not always work.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 6:50 am EST

what the nyr have done to the you can't beat us cryers, the lightning Hopkins are doing to the nyr who can't beat them......http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-lightning-striking-thrice-article-1.2028281

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 6:44 am EST

moof which one of those nyr guys can fight Glass? or fight guys Glass has dropped them with? he's the nyr new version of a goon, with a leash. he's the new orr, brashrear,rupp, etc.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 6:20 am EST

This Glass bash thing has taken on an almost cult-like status on the internets. I dont get it or like it very much, because the guy has turned in pretty much exactly what was reasonably expected when he signed. A lot of the critiques started before he played even a single game, and now intensifies any time a kid puts in a good performance, i.e.'kid was good, Glass sucks, so give kid his job. A lot of it stems from possession numbers courtesy of the Fenwicks & Corsis, two pencilneck geeks who should choke on their morning cereal. No weight whatsoever given in their calculations as to what a checking line truly faces, which is only the best players in the world, where guess what? Its hard to get the fucking puck from them! DUH!! Never mind their job is a rousing success if they keep them off the scoreboard, now checkers are supposed to dominate the puck. Yeah, ok. Glass kills penalties, he bangs bodies which we need more than anything, he jumps in if our guys are in trouble, he plays hard (and hurt) idk how much more can be expected. If people have a problem with his contract, thats on Sather. But Ive never seen a guy take so much heat for so little fault.think its bullshit. And Im definitely not counting on JT Miller to police the team & do the rest of the little things that need doing. Speaking if which, anybody catch Miller's tv interview after the game? I heard him on radio but not tv.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Dec 1 2014 3:38 am EST

mf- Hmm my synopsis on Fast, I don't know. I am still kind of puzzled that he isn't able to stick out more by just moving his legs. You know, this is a young speedster, but he is looking a lot more like a small Ruslan Fedetenko than a young Hagelin to put it kind or harsh. OTOH, these kids are young. A lot can -- and often does -- happen at this age. And it applies to Fast but also Miller, Lindberg, Haggerty and co. Fast has more offense in him than what he is showing right now. I think he could go either way, hopefully it will be up, but he needs to be able to contribute a lot more offensively on a regular basis.

Ola


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:27 am EST

Glass is not a fighter either.. He's a forth line checker..

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:26 am EST

You said, "drop their gloves to protect a team-mates back."

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:12 am EST

Malone and big Mac are not on the nyr , the others are not fighters ...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:10 am EST

Hayes

mf


Mon Dec 1 2014 12:10 am EST

Krieder, Miller, Malone, McIlrath, John Moore, McDonagh,

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:34 pm EST

Moof can you name anyone else on the nyr besides Calvin Klien who is willing to drop his gloves and watch his teammates backs? .... Could it be glass? ... The rest have little interest in fighting ....did you notice the cryers weren't looking to fight and what's happening to them ? ....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 30 2014 9:58 pm EST

Any combo on 4th line that does not include Glass will work fine...

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 8:14 pm EST

I agree wholeheartedly that the Rangers lineup,would be more balanced of Diclair was moved to top 6 and one of the other wings moved "down"...I say "down" because it wouldn't be a demotion in any way shape or form. One thing we all seem to agree on is that Duclair showed that he can handle top 6 and in fact, his production took a hit when he was moved. AV has been very set in his ways with the top 6 and I'm guessing he's going by the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" theory....the problem is that the bottom 6 are not producing enough and sooner or later it's gonna hurt us. Moving Duclair to where he thrived will not hurt the top 6 and will improve the bottom 6. Hopefully, we've found a good combo with Miller-Moore-Fast

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 7:21 pm EST

mf: Not so sure. Teams will have to deal with the physicality of the other 3 lines and in terms of Step-MSL-Duclair (to use a Mohammad Ali quote) "your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see!". That line with its passing potential will have teams backing up IMHO.

Ranger47


Sun Nov 30 2014 7:19 pm EST

Thats where I think its a trap to think its ok, if Fast & Miller stick around, to think we can cut loose vets we maybe dint feel allegiance to as theyre recent signings. Glass can do a lot of dirty work you dont even want JT & Fast doing.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 6:34 pm EST

RR: Agree, we're not ready to cut Stempniak, Malone, nor one of our 7 defensemen.. OTOH: I see no reason to keep Glass and when an attractive opportunity comes along, package him with something on the farm for something... Miller gives you everything Glass does except for NHL experience (jmo) ... Can we get current reports on MALONE? I hope he's working his tail off, & makes it back up here..

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 6:25 pm EST

IMO, Stepan & MSL need a protecting presence on their line, even if it's just Hagelin or Stempniak over DuClaw..

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 5:56 pm EST

Evets: I thought the same thing in terms of lines. I think Duclair would get more space and "setups" playing with Stephan and MSL - something Kreider does not seem to need to score. And, I like what I saw when Kreider and Hayes were paired together.

Ranger47


Sun Nov 30 2014 5:29 pm EST

What's really nice with this lineup, if it holds, is how you can move one guy and get a real interesting look. If Fast & Miller stick, we are also almost ridiculously young. I'm not ready, nor do I expect to be, to say if F & M stay,MWe should move a Stempniak. Or a Glass. No way. We need ALL these guys. And I'd still love to see Malone charged-up, how he'd do (the chances seem minimal but you never know). But some guys mikgh not dress every night. thats OK. The coach has different looks. All kids is a speed overload, EVERYBODY can skate. Not that a Stemp can't. But very very versatile. I just wish we could squeeze in a big mean body. Or a smaller, meaner player lol. But man its lookin good.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 5:20 pm EST

Nash-Brassard-Zuc, Kreider-Step-Msl, Hagelin-Hayes-Stempniak, Glass/Miller-Moore-Fast. Best lineup we have right now, no?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 5:06 pm EST

EVETS: IMO, The Duclair / Stepan / MSL is a bit small & lacking any grit...

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 5:00 pm EST

So if kid k is back who sits? Do they send miller back done? Is the duke eclaire experiment coming to a crossroads ?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 30 2014 4:32 pm EST

When everyone is healthy, I would keep both Stempniak and Glass on the sidelines. I'd flip Duclair and Kreider so that the lines look like this: Nash-Brass-Zuccarello, Duclair-Stepan-St. Louis, Kreider-Hayes-Hagelin, Miller-Moore-Fast, Staal-Girardi, McDonagh-Boyle, Hunwick-Klein.

evets1980


Sun Nov 30 2014 4:28 pm EST

It says here we show TB who's boss. Last game was warped from start with lousy call & PP goal, lousy call late . They're good. We're better.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 4:05 pm EST

OLA: whats you're synopsis on Jesper Fast these days? thanks

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 4:04 pm EST

IT MEANS whatever you make it mean...Rangers are 4-1 in the last 5 games & the Rangers have given up 6 goals. That's a 1.2 gpga, AWESOME! .. The one loss is to TBL 4-3 and the game wasn't close (IMO).. The last two contests against the Bolts we've given up "9" as in NINE goals..TBL leads the league by a convincing margin in "Goals For" Bet they'd beat us 9 out of 10 games if we give up goals like that.. Someone say defense? I'll make it mean that if we don't lock these boys down defensively, we're gonna lose again.. I hate losing. We're gonna be hard pressed to win a shooting match with these guys, but with Glass out of the line-up, we've got the speed & agility to match them on both sides of the puck and win...... OAN: The top 6 teams in the league are tied with 34 points, 2 teams have two games at hand. The top 11 teams are separated by 3 points, all within 2 games played with each other, approaching the 1/3 point in the season (27 games) StevieLegs you could figure that out, right? :-) end of rant..

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 3:50 pm EST

Miller is misused. Just send him back down and recall him instantly for the rest of the season. He would score 40! :)

Ola


Sun Nov 30 2014 3:13 pm EST

WHAT IT MEANS: The Rangers won their second game in 48 hours over a shaken Flyers’ team, with Flyers coach Craig Berube admitting after the game his players lacked on-ice confidence at this point. “It’s mental,” Berube said.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 30 2014 2:18 pm EST

John Rosasco: Fogarty notches Notre Dame's only goal in loss to OSU. Now has 4-5-9 in 16 games. #NYR Boo Nieves with 2 goals and 1 assist in 6-0 Michigan win. Now has 4-6-10 +6 in 13 games. #NYR Retweeted by New York Rangers

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 12:45 pm EST

Slegs: to take it a step further, I don't believe theres anyone here who wants to see JT Miller fail. He's obviously the closest thing we have to get called up to play with the Big Boys.. TDCHI: Have a little patience with Miller, let's not give him opportunities to blow this call up... The CJC thinks its best to have him cut his teeth at 4th line LW.. Same thing with FAST.. If Kreider is dressing for the Tampa game, sit Duclair.. As for Hayes, this wall has been screaming for over ten years about the need for a big body at center.. The fact that Brian Boyle couldn't become that is his own fault, he got more than an opportunity to take the brass ring, he alone blew it.. Now we got a big boy in Hayes which you lead the charge to sign him... Hayes has not been a defensive liability (Miller has) and uses his body to create space for himself as good as any on the club, even Nash.. Dare I say he reminds me a little of Jagr & Kovalchuk in that regard.. However, IMO, moving Hayes now reopens the doughnut hole to be filled with Miller is too upsetting to the lineup & risky risky risky.. I/you/we dont want Miller to get sent down again, let him acclimate with Moore / Fast / Stempniak on the 4th line.... I did not include Duclair there & chose to bench him because he's not 4th line material...... AND, I'm not going to stop beating the keep Tanner Glass out of the lineup drum!

mf


Sun Nov 30 2014 12:10 pm EST

Ive seen enough of Duclair. Hayes is carrying his weight though as JFC says there are some allowances needed for his game. He kind of reminds me of a knuckleball pitcher!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 12:04 pm EST

Guess not many read what msl said. He started on 4 th line and was a scratch , just hoped to be in the next game. The Nyr switched miller to wing for reasons they must have. These kids need to earn and prove what minutes and roles they get. If they need 20 stay out of the nhl until they can get the coach to give them that and the position they want to play. They are not entitled to anything. If they don't like it , then ask to be demoted or traded ,...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:57 am EST

Sorry about that reat post...don't know where that came from.

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:56 am EST

RF -- AV seems intent on being very patient with Hayes and Duclair, hoping that his patience will be rewarded in March-April whe he has 2 young NHL quality players who come at a relatively cheap price. He has mentioned several times how important it is to have young players on the roster. We'll see how long his patience lasts....a big trade could end it, especially if it's for a center. I think we'll see what the plan for Declair is very soon in the upcoming week. If he plays with Hayes and Hags on Monday, it could be a sign that he will not go to WJC. If he plays the following Saturday and the game after, then I can't imagine AV takes a "regular" off the roster to help out the national team. But, if Duke sits on Monday and AV uses the next 5 prectice days to figure out a new line combo, Duke will be sent to WJC. With this long stretch of practice coming up, a decision will be made IMO.

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:56 am EST

RF4L - HAYES, IMO, is still playing well...and he is generating offense...but again, I kind of question whether he's in the right place to be most effective...Frankly, I'd try shifting him over to the wing with MILLER in the middle and either FAST or HAGELIN on the wing...I know everyone here seems to think that should be the other way around...have Miller on the wing...but I still believe he'd be most effective leading the rush and letting Hayes use his big body to clear space in the zone. Will be interesting to see what team AV ices tomorrow. I suspect he doesn't change the lineup much, aside from getting KREIDER back in..

tdchi


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:51 am EST

I fess up on wanting LeCavalier here, badly at times. Its sad seeing a guy end up being so ineffective, but injuries really took the starch out of him. Idk, he & Richards were two dynamite young centers who faded way earlier than they should have. That Torts was their former coach could have something to do with that. We saw first hand how he grinds players to dust through overuse.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:47 am EST

2 guys who put up points actually got the least icetime yesterday: Hayes had 9:18 (Rangers had only 1 PK and he was 29% on FOs) and Fast got 10:03. AV had stuck with the Hayes line (with Hags & Duke) until the Kreider injury and they were gelling and playing very well. My guess is that he'll put that line back together and sit Stemp. He's got a perfect excuse to sit Glass. The one drawback I seewiththe Hayes line is actually Hayes....his wings are too fast for him and as a result they do not move well through the neutral zone. However, when they establish posession, then Hayes shines with his ability to,hold onto,the puck and cycle/distribute. The other problem is his terrible FO % prevents the line from getting posession.

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:28 am EST

JFC: Hayes also is on a big time learning curve and not generating offense. That's impacting the line overall from that perspective. If he's still not putting up any numbers by early January I gotta figure AV will be looking at changing things up. Unless, of course, the team is winning despite mediocre production from that line.

RF4L


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:18 am EST

TD: I'll tell you what's wrong in Philly: A meddling owner. IMO, half of those hair-brained moves have his fingerprints all over them. And show me a professional sports team that is successful when the owner can't stay away - other than the NY Yankees, where huge $$ helped compensate for the interfering owner, I don't know if one exists. Part of the Leaf's horrendous legacy (since 1967) is due to meddling owners, led of course, but the infamous Harold Ballard. It's also why the Flames took so long to initiate their rebuild (ownership insisted on keeping Iginla, among others). It's why the Senators have done some questionable moves (Melynk interferes). I guess that's where we can appreciate that silverspoon boy Dolans - he doesn't tell Sather what to do.

RF4L


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:17 am EST

JFC31 - those are two reasons why HAYES should be back over at wing and MILLER should get a crack at that center's position. Give him a pair of forwards with wheels and he'll create a lot of offense.

tdchi


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:13 am EST

2 guys who put up points actually got the least icetime yesterday: Hayes had 9:18 (Rangers had only 1 PK and he was 29% on FOs) and Fast got 10:03. AV had stuck with the Hayes line (with Hags & Duke) until the Kreider injury and they were gelling and playing very well. My guess is that he'll put that line back together and sit Stemp. He's got a perfect excuse to sit Glass. The one drawback I seewiththe Hayes line is actually Hayes....his wings are too fast for him and as a result they do not move well through the neutral zone. However, when they establish posession, then Hayes shines with his ability to,hold onto,the puck and cycle/distribute. The other problem is his terrible FO % prevents the line from getting posession.

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 11:04 am EST

RF4L: Not likely the Flyers get McDavid, but there are blue chip centers that are not far behind ,Eichel, Strome and more. They may get a top notch forward when they need D. The curse of Edmonton.

gene_carr


Sun Nov 30 2014 10:48 am EST

tdchi -- but they have a goon for a coach; a goon for team president and the highest penalized goaltender in NHL history...isn't that the recipe for success?

RF73


Sun Nov 30 2014 10:43 am EST

RF73 - Flyers are a great example of why you don't mess with success...all that team needed in 2009-2010 was a decent goalie...and they had one in BOBROVSKY...All they needed to do was wait...But something must have irked Holmgren after their loss to the Hawks, because he and Hextall have since traded away just about everyone on that team, save for COBURN and GIROUX...And what do they have to show for it? Bunch of talented players who couldn't play defense if their lives depended on it...Flyers have some decent players in the system...GOSTISBEHERE and LAUGHTON are two...and if this kid MORIN turns out to be the real deal, they could turn it around in short order...but now? Sheesh...just a shell of the team they once were...Also the softest Flyers team I can recall. So ironic Beurube is coaching them...and how NBC has to point out what a tough guy he was just to make it seem like the Flyers have an edge.

tdchi


Sun Nov 30 2014 10:26 am EST

Man, the Flyers suck...Just defies logic with all the talent they once had in that system...to see them now...Trading HARTNELL really made beating that team easy...There's no shortage of bad trades they've made and seeing what they have on the ice now is just embarrassing... just a soft, listless team with no jump...to be honest, the Flyers are team that could probably USE Tortorella...Bysmla won't help them any...Garden boo'd DEL ZOTTO all night long...I don't really know why, but they did...and show your hands...those who wanted Vinny LECAVALIER on this team...man...Bullet DODGED. He' just a horrendous player now...just a shell of what he was six or seven years ago...and the Flyers defense? Whoa...Never during that game was I ever worried about the Rangers losing. Can't say I've had that feeling in a LONG time...Not going to say much about MILLER other than that he had a very good game and showed a lot of what I've been seeing of him at the AHL level...on FAST: Here's another example of a kid playing on a lower line and not being able to capitalize on the clear skill he has..He played last night's game just like his others since his call-up: Very well...was not surprised at all to see him score. Was only a matter of time...Said it here before his callup: He was one of the driving reasons LINDBERG was putting up such good numbers...Man, getting to see KLEIN and Del Zotto side by side...that deal looks better and better every day...Monster game by BRASSARD too...I hope they ride these wins into showing up against Tampa...Not really sure who I'd scratch when KREIDER comes back...my guess is it will be DUCLAIR and GLASS riding pine. Not sure you can scratch either Miller or Fast after Saturday.

tdchi


Sun Nov 30 2014 10:25 am EST

RF4L -- AV treats the 3rd and 4th lines like they are interchangeable in terms of icetime....and that applies to individual members of each line. Some games, the "4th line" gets more ice than the 3rd. Sometimes, Dominic Moore ends up,with more ice than Hayes, but Duclair & Hags get more icetime than their wing counterparts. Sometimes Hayes gets more ice than his wings. It depends on how each line is playing and how many PK and PP they are in a game. Friday, there were lots of penalties (and most occurred right when the Hayes line was up for,the next shift...as a result, Duclair's icetime was greatly reduced. Yesterday, because of a 4 minute PP, Duke got more PP time and his icetime was increased....plus, he had very good jump yesterday too. So, I don't see icetime between those 2 lines being real meaningful at this point....we're basically a 2 line team in terms of offense and hopefully that will change.

JFC31


Sun Nov 30 2014 9:55 am EST

And nice to see Brassard pop 2 goals. It would be nicer to see some consistency from him - in the previous 3 games I hardly noticed him and it's not a coincidence, IMO, that yesterday's goals were his first in 7 games.

RF4L


Sun Nov 30 2014 9:53 am EST

RR: Fast has played well since his recall, IMO, even before he started putting up points. He's very solid defensively and not prone to coughing up the puck (like Muenster Miller) and drifting away from his defensive spot (like Duclair). Those points are a bonus but for me, not surprising. I posted about this yesterday - I think it's only a matter of time before he's moving up the lineup. I'm not rushing anything - if he's key component to having the 4th line produce a little offense, leave him there for now. It may not be long before that line is out-producing the 3rd line...

RF4L


Sun Nov 30 2014 9:49 am EST

RF: I sure hope the Flyers don't totally bottom out. The Rangers already have in their division Crosby and Tavares - it would suck to have McDavid in a Flyer jersey for the next decade.

RF4L


Sun Nov 30 2014 9:47 am EST

Wow, the BJs last overall this morning. Injuries obviously are a contributing factor, but so is shoddy goaltending. Bobo was hurt and since returning, has let in a pile of weak goals. The other problem is their lack of top end skill - after Johansen, there's basically nobody else there. One top 6 forward and the rest are bottom 6ers. Connor McDavid is exactly what they need....

RF4L


Sun Nov 30 2014 9:40 am EST

Gotta love it! ... NEW YORK - Your first impulse is that the Flyers, losers of eight of their last nine games, can't get any lower. Then you quickly realize they are playing their next four games on the road, where they have lost seven straight, and you wonder whether Craig Berube will still be the coach when the team plays its next game at the Wells Fargo Center on Dec. 11 - or whether general manager Ron Hextall has Dan Bylsma on his speed dial. To be fair, Berube deserves only a little bit of the blame. His team has no identity, has played mostly lifeless hockey, and he has steadfastly refused to bench slow-moving veterans R.J. Umberger (without a point in the last 16 games) or Vinny Lecavalier (goalless in the last 12 games) for an entire game and send a message: Produce or sit. Berube and the Flyers are paying for the shortcomings of general manager Paul Holmgren. Not because he left his successor, Hextall, with a mediocre team, but rather because he saddled Hextall with ridiculous contracts (see the since-traded Scott Hartnell, Lecavalier, Andrew MacDonald, etc.) and set the organization way back with one of the most lopsided trades in Flyers history: James van Riemsdyk for Luke Schenn. Van Riemsdyk is on pace for his second straight 30-goal season. Schenn is minus-9, and he returned to the lineup Saturday after being a healthy scratch for two games. Holmgren was promoted to club president, but his fingerprints are all over this mess of a team, one that has one productive line, a solid goalie, and little else - unless it plays with last season's tenacity.

RF73


Sun Nov 30 2014 8:54 am EST

“No doubt it was good to get it right away,” said St Louis, who spent one game in Tampa Bay on Wednesday stuck at 998. “You don’t want it to build up to become something.” Of course, it was something; something, well, grand. “When I came into the league I was just trying to make a name for myself and show people I could play,” said the winger, who was undrafted out of UVM before signing with Calgary as a free agent in 1998. “Then when I first got to Tampa [in 2000] I was on the fourth line and a scratch. I was just trying to get another game. “John Tortorella took over [as coach] and believed in me. He created a lot of confidence within myself.”

stevielegs


Sun Nov 30 2014 1:47 am EST

Kept saying kids can surprise, make ya look stupid. Forget JT, the guy Id been killing until I resigned myself AV was in love and was going to play no matter is Fast, who Ive been callin a totally non-descript , non-freakin entity. He looked a little sturdier than last year, then seemed to vanish again. Only time I noticed anything about him was when he changed numbers again. Now I had some pretty good company in just not seeing much from him, but it looks like there is something good there. Not just cause he scored, but he held possession thru 3-4 guys before that, some concentration. Fought some traffic to score, too. and I know he likes to shoot, he was firing like that last year at Traverse. And I love guys that shoot. Hey, if this kid sticks as some two-way Swedish student of the game who uses his brain & adds some offense, another huge boost. Roster was already tight. The more kids that stick people become expendable.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 30 2014 1:03 am EST

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/which-3-nhl-teams-are-worth-a-billion-dollars.html/?ref=YF

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

PP goals in 7 of last 9. Of this I have dreamed. Klein 2 assists, 4 SOG, 7 hits and 3 blocks. Pretty good day at the office.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:56 pm EST

A couple of obvious stats: we sit 16th in the league, thats better. Our GAA are down to 2.783 per game, much better, and we have 68 GF vs 64 GA for a +4 in that category.. We've been in negative territory most of the season.. NASH is in 7th place in league scoring, picked up a helper today.. http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?type=lea#&navid=nav-stn-league

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:55 pm EST

Yeah I doubt anyone has the numbers, youd have to piece it together. But I noticed it early last year and hes kept on. Id venture to say his last 8 games in a new location hes put up at least a point. A few times when he went down to Htfd he went nuts, had 3-pt nights. Im happy for him. Has to be a big load off his back

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:52 pm EST

:-) :-> ;-)

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:51 pm EST

Hoser!

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:46 pm EST

York: Yep and that's why I posted about him having to show some consistency if he is to stay in the lineup.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:39 pm EST

It sure would be nice to beat Tampa Monday, (December 1st already) and then we don't play until Saturday, so it'd be nice to go out with the Win. I hope Miller makes it this time around and breaks this yoyo streak you guys highlight, his legs were moving well today, like what he brings to the 4th. He is replacing one of the slowest guys in our line-up, and we already have a fast group, so we're that much quicker.. With Glass out, the 4th is a threat to score, with him in, they're not. It's unfortunate for Glass, but its best for the club, it opens things up, many clubs aren't as deep as us.....

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:26 pm EST

Miller a one and done? .... Time for cryers to get a real coach.... Talkerella.... Make him wear orange to go with his red face blood pressure bursts....

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:14 pm EST

Rabid left out as you pointed out in reference to miller and his first game after getting called up.

York18


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:13 pm EST

Rabid remember miller iS notorious for having big first games after his call up 95% of his points occur in that first call up game. Let's see what he does in these next games before he's anointed ready to play.

York18


Sat Nov 29 2014 5:00 pm EST

Along with his two points JT now has I think 12pts for his NHL life. Just a perspective check before he gets here haha lol.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 4:42 pm EST

Along with his two points, Miller also led all Rangers with 5 shots.

Messier11


Sat Nov 29 2014 4:38 pm EST

RF: Fully agree, TAMPA is not Philly, and in my opinion we'd better be prepared to play a tight defensive game against the Bolts. They're leading the league in Goals-For, and just not the club I'd want to go down by more than one goal during any time in game the way they're playing.. We need good defensive coverage for a full 60 minutes, and with the amount of kids in this line-up, I'm a bit worried.

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 4:03 pm EST

Miller sucks!!!!

Messier11


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:42 pm EST

mf: Damn right....Philly sucks. Tampa up next. Will the Rangers let Callahan embarrass them for a 3rd consecutive game?

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:34 pm EST

AY, you Hoser, gotta show consistency AY? Can you enjoy the victory AY? Hoser :->

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:27 pm EST

Win n stempi

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:26 pm EST

You can't beat us

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:25 pm EST

What is with this team and empty nets...are they allergic to them.

DOUBLEN


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:20 pm EST

Bumped humped by the mumps

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:19 pm EST

Perry of the Ducks missed 5 games with the mumps. Glass getting this could of been the worst thing to happen to him.

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:15 pm EST

Saturday afternoon is kids day game ... Literally ...

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:14 pm EST

I can't downplay what the kid is doing. People paying NHL prices to watch. But Flyers are frickin hapless. NYR should have 10 from what I've seen.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:11 pm EST

Fast with a goal and an assist. Nice.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:11 pm EST

Now me being the realist I am, he needs to keep this effort up. Clearly, he's got enough talent to be a solid NHLer - what he needs is consistent effort. But as we so often say on here, inconsistency is the hallmark of youth and sometimes, unfortunately, something they cannot overcome

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:10 pm EST

Toldyah, there's no need nor spot for Mr. Glass in this lineup...

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:10 pm EST

Goal & assist Step. I won't be able to control him.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:09 pm EST

Monster miller squeezed the muenster .... Bong on Tdchi ... He did in the nhl ... Keep it up...

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:09 pm EST

Here

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:09 pm EST

geezus.... there's more of them.. :-> Better break out a case

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:08 pm EST

Oh boy. Miller ! He come wall wars !

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:08 pm EST

Shaggy, cut that shite out! :-)

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:07 pm EST

It's Miller time!! Miller making a statement!

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:07 pm EST

There it is.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:07 pm EST

Methinks Miller won't be sent down when Kreider returns. Kudos to him for stepping up!

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:07 pm EST

IT'S MIIIIIIILLLLLLEEEERRRRRR TIME !!!!!

mf


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:07 pm EST

It's Miller time!!!

Shaggy


Sat Nov 29 2014 3:07 pm EST

JFC; Good question. One of them jumped on for a winger. Good pass by Hayes!

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:58 pm EST

How did Brass & Hayes end up on the ice at the same time?

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:51 pm EST

Moore playing better with two fast wingers. I don't hate Glass but it sure is nice to have a 4th line that is offensively dangerous.

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:43 pm EST

I would think that AV will simply put the Hayes line back together when Kreider comes back...4th line should stay together with Miller.

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:43 pm EST

TD spotted scaling Empire state Building, prepping to climb antenna and scream Told You So haha....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:41 pm EST

Ya know, whomever the kid is over the years getting his first goal, its always nice to see. Every one of them tries to be humble & modest but can't hide the excitement and starts smiling anyway. Nice. Great shot too.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:41 pm EST

Ya know, whomever the kid is over the years getting his first goal, its always nice to see. Every one of them tries to be humble & modest but can't hide the excitement and starts smiling anyway. Nice. Great shot too.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:39 pm EST

Can't remember a better period from Miller at the NHL level. To me he hasn't tried to force anything. He is making smart simple plays. I know som here really like Stemp. But when Kreider gets back in I would sit Stemp and let Miller keep at it. But I imagine Duclair will sit...especially after the defensive mistake he had on that goal.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:34 pm EST

JT Miller looks great....but Emery is stoning him

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:34 pm EST

JT's gonna win this thing.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:32 pm EST

step -- yep...the only thing I WOULDN'T have done is what AV did. Hayes line has been gelling.

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:31 pm EST

Zuc is around the puck a lot from what I've seen. Flyers look like 5 guys that came from clubbing at one of my old SkyRink 330am games.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:31 pm EST

I agree that Duclair would seem to be a better choice for that line than Hags...especially since it seems to be doing nothing this game

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:30 pm EST

RF; I don't care if Duc is top 6 or 9, as long as he is effective, which he was with Hayes and Hags. Not that he's having a bad game. I just prefer AV keeping the young Hayes and Duc with what's working. Consistency !

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:29 pm EST

Rangers woke up!!

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:24 pm EST

This is a really long PP.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:20 pm EST

Jesper the Beautiful with a nice snipe. Had some strong play along the boards before too. Hmm...

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:20 pm EST

Oh. There he is. Great shot court Jesper !

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:20 pm EST

Yeah, Jasper!! I'm liking this kid more and more.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:19 pm EST

step: Putting Hagelin on the Stepan line has effectively neutralized it. Swap him with Duclair - the kid should be on the top 6 or in juniors anyways.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:18 pm EST

AV needs to make some adjustments to the lines....they're playing a stale game. NASH is only player standing out. Duclair looked good period 1 but now that line is getting no ice.

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:17 pm EST

Rangers doing their usual - good start to the game and now sucking. No zip.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:17 pm EST

Talbot Talbot Talbot Talbot Talbot talbot talbot talbot talbot talbot talbot talbot!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Nov 29 2014 2:09 pm EST

AV should of kept the Hags-Hayes-Duc line together.

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:46 pm EST

Rangers just look OK....I think some clompacency has set in though....they seem to not be putting in full effort in neutral and defensive zones. In the offensive zone, they're having too much fun with all the open ice Flyers are giving them. They need to get more serious.

JFC31


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:40 pm EST

Rr that was duke eclaire' s man not stempi.. Veenyo confusing the kid with left side right side ...

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:38 pm EST

Wow NN, got it on my phone! I'm streaming! Whoo-hoo! Thanks.....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:31 pm EST

RABID: Try this one and use ADBLOCKERPLUS...http://blabseal.de/rangers/

DOUBLEN


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:31 pm EST

I'd put Duclair on the MSL/Stepan line, over Hagelin.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:30 pm EST

Geesh,, Stempniak showing why he's a journeyman forward. First he loses the puck in the Flyer end making an unnecessary move close to the net, then is caught puck-watching, leaving his point man wide open.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:21 pm EST

Why is it everyone else watches streams all the time, stream this, stream that. I go to watch something one fucking time and I'm getting nothing but popups and soccer and Russian roller derby. Wtf!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:08 pm EST

Mumps? Didn't that start in Anaheim? Think so - Perry and someone else and now a third Duck is out with them. Weird.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 12:55 pm EST

I'm in the market for a good live stream if anyone knows. Mumps? Jeez.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 12:53 pm EST

Now if only Shittalletti catches a severe case of laryngitis !

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 29 2014 12:46 pm EST

vaccines tend to run you down. Game might not be pretty

Messier11


Sat Nov 29 2014 12:45 pm EST

I guess technically Glass out with flu (before upgraded to mumps) was as close as it got.

Messier11


Sat Nov 29 2014 12:25 pm EST

There hasn't been one game with the whole roster healthy this season as far as I can remember .

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 11:25 am EST

There goes the healthy roster. It was nice while it lasted.

Messier11


Sat Nov 29 2014 11:21 am EST

Wow- Glass out with mumps. Boyle out with flu. Moore back in. Team getting mumps booster vaccinations

Messier11


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:57 am EST

Pack shutout 2 zip last night. Not much down there on the forward lines, especially with Muenster Miller out of the lineup.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:34 am EST

Thanks stevie - nice to be appreciated once in a while, especially by astute posters like you!

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:33 am EST

The King is starting today....

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:31 am EST

rf4l shocking post of the year or more..." Landing Hall would make all those traded picks and never having a top pick moot."

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:21 am EST

McD's injury & the possibility it could be recurring would dampen any notion of dealing Staal off that left side Id think, if it ever was seriously considered, which Id also doubt. Too hard to replace him, even more so during the season. Still think he signs a Girardi deal after Jan. 1. Think we see Zuc extended too, and maybe MSL though Id wait. Has Duclair been dressing? Whats the difference? Now watch him score two today.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:18 am EST

Gene: Interesting proposal but I simply don't see Sather making such a move, especially since there's no way at this point knowing if the Oil will finish in a lottery spot, especially if they get those 3. I concur Hall is likely an untouchable, but you never know. The pressure is huge in Edmonton and mounting - they lost again last night and are last in the league. Connor McDavid is a nice consolation prize but that's not what the Oil are interested in. They aren't winning with Hall in the lineup anyways. Sather needs to work it a bit, IMO. Landing Hall would make all those traded picks and never having a top pick moot.

RF4L


Sat Nov 29 2014 9:06 am EST

RF4L and other trade speculators: Edmonton is not going to trade Hall, but clearly they are desperate. They need a center=Miller, defense=Stall and ,goal tender=Talbot as the center piece for a trade for their #1 in this years draft. It has to happen before the trade deadline while their is still a chance for the Oilers to compete for a play off spot . They will throw in Yakapov as well as Scrivens?. That may be why we have not seen a contract for Stall yet and why the try outs for a veteran D. I feel there is a block-buster in the air but have no factual info to support it. Just reading tea leaves.

gene_carr


Sat Nov 29 2014 8:01 am EST

1st time since 1937 six shutouts first 22(?)games. Nice. 1st time full lineup yesterday, though no Glass, no Kreider today. At least theyre not hurt.but still havent seen as drawn up. I get on him but massive difference with Stepan. Won special teams battle yesterday & won game. Funny how that happens. We have to beat Philly again today? Fine. Im happy if we beat them everyday.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 29 2014 7:48 am EST

Per the Elias Sports Bureau, Cam Talbot became the first goalie since the 2007-08 season to shut out the Flyers twice in the span of 10 days or less. Steve Valiquette did so for the Rangers on Jan. 31 and Feb. 9, 2008. Both games were in Philadelphia and they represented two of the four shutouts Valiquette had in his career.

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 7:45 am EST

12) Chris Kreider. More dumb penalties—Eddie O and Pierre were correct about the one hand on the stick always getting called. But it appeared his stick barely made contact with Coburn. Earlier, after R.J. Umberger ran over Jesper Fast, Kreider came off the bench and took an immediate run at Umberger, then they spent the rest of the shift whacking one another. Kreider then took the double-minor that could have been a disaster, and instead turned into a clinching SHG. It’s a line where Kreider has to play, but it must appear awfully blurry to him right now. Other than the penalties, I thought he was OK

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 7:45 am EST

carp....10) Which reminds me, at some point late last season, I wondered if the Blue Jackets would trade Artem Anisimov straight up for Nash. Now I wonder how much more than Anisimov, Brandon Dubinsky and Tim Erixon they would give up to have Nash back.

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 6:56 am EST

Schneider huge difference between the two one was about listening amd about applying himself meaning Kreider which he is still working on the latter which is why he still struggles with consistency. Miller is hockey IQ huge difference. Kreider at the ahl level was dogging it miller is not. I have said Kreider is a beast when his head is in the game when he isn't he's rather pedestrian. Miller is talented but hockey iq needs work amd it's just common sense that his chances are running out.

York18


Sat Nov 29 2014 4:46 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/11/28/the-most-exciting-trends-of-the-nhls-first-two-months/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 4:41 am EST

mess why do you want tdchi to shut up? everyone is allowed to express their opinion , even you.

stevielegs


Sat Nov 29 2014 1:43 am EST

Thats not much of a prediction, Mess. JT has uncannily scored in almost every first game after a promotion/demotion. I cant remember anything like it, though not many guys bounce back & forth that much. But if you think his having a good game will shut up some, including those like me who are justifiably down on him since camp, think again. He needs to have a career, or at least about 5 good years to show hes not an RJ Umberger, a guy to always leave you wanting. I wish the kid well, hes on our freakin team. Maybe coming in knowing he just has to patrol up & down his wing will help.so will skilled linemates. I'm still waiting to see him get a little nasty.I know he's got it in him cause I saw it in junior.and sometimes a scrap or just some good old fashioned blunt force trauma is the best thing to settle you down. l

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:01 pm EST

Sorry to hear about Kreider's grandfather....as someone else posted, if his grandfather was critically ill for some time, it might have been effecting his play because he has been pretty ineffective the last few games. Also, I would not be surprised to see Duclair take his spot, not Miller....Duke seemed to do quite well with Nash earlier in the season...some chemistry there.

JFC31


Fri Nov 28 2014 9:58 pm EST

I predict that Miller is going to shut some folk up right away

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 9:52 pm EST

SLEGS: WHEN ARE you going to realize that the wall calls the shots? Millervis fine but liquor is quicker, we,re going deep this playoffs, but how it unfolds is a mystery....

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 9:46 pm EST

"Miller, recalled on Friday, had 15 points (6-9) in 18 games for the Wolf Pack after going scoreless for the Rangers in the first three games of his season. The 21-year-old has been on the wing for approximately the last week after spending his first six weeks at center. He will likely slide into Kreider’s spot on the line with Derek Stepan in the middle and Rick Nash on the right. "

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 9:42 pm EST

the prodigal son, the messiah, muenster miller, jt jitters, monster miller......Rangers officially recall J.T. Miller for Saturday. Chris Kreider will be unavailable due to death of his grandfather.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 9:32 pm EST

YORK18- you were touting the same thing about Kreider 2 years ago.. patience prevails... Miller is solid..give it time

schneidw


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:37 pm EST

TD rabid is correct Miller gets away with plays at the ahl level that he can't at the NHL level. That's why he tends to make some bad choices and his hockey iq is called into question. Kreider is the better passer at the NHL level by default he is here but also because he is known as a shooter he is deceptive with the puck often releasing a pass at the last second in tight as rabid said where players are trying to block the shot and not the pass. With that I'm done with miller he has to step up or he's done because what he does in Hartford means squat he has to do it at the NHL level.

York18


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:23 pm EST

Sad news for Kreider. However, he has been God damn awful lately. Strudwick/Bickel/Glass level. He gotta pick it up or go down to HFD and find his game again.

Ola


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:23 pm EST

RF4L: I would bet he just gets inserted into Kreiders spot. Not sense in disrupting more than one line. Also. Ice time wise that is t the first line really....well some nights it is...others it isn't. But anywho, not ideal IMHO...but again why disrupt 2 lines instead of one and it's his shot to shine. If he does, perhaps he can find a way to stick.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:10 pm EST

His grandfather died

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:00 pm EST

RF4L why is Kreider going to be missing? Did he get injured?ll

MelvilleFred


Fri Nov 28 2014 5:45 pm EST

Best news of the day imwo was McD taking some real good bumps with apparently no ill effects.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 5:37 pm EST

TD: LB saying JT Miller will be recalled in Kreider's absence. If Glass can't play, then he'll certainly be getting his 19th audition as a Ranger. How fabulous would it be to see him play well enough to force management not to demote him right away. If he does dress, will it be in Kreider's spot with Stepan and MSL? Now that would be something - from pencilled in 3rd line center, to the 4th line, to the pressbox, to the AHL to the first line....

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 5:36 pm EST

Interesting. With all the ups and downs the Rangers lead the NHL in shutouts with 6. Never would have guessed that.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 5:20 pm EST

Wild: Re Fast - yes, I forgot to mention him. Defensively he's very solid and I see some offensive ability there, too. I am hoping he is slowly but surely winning AV's trust and is on his way to being dressed regularly. It's fine IMO that he starts building his NHL career on the 4th line. If my belief that he does have some offensive upside is accurate, he'll slowly get moved up the lineup. His current task, however, is to continue performing solidly on the 4th line.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 5:17 pm EST

NN: Probably not - that first would likely have to be a second. Funny how perception varies - Wild wouldn't do anything more than Talbot, Moore and Miller for Hall and Scrivens. That trade, I am certain, would never go down. I'm including Kreider not because I'm advocating trading him; rather because the pieces he brings to the table are surely still very alluring to opposing GMs and you gotta give to get.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 5:14 pm EST

Yeah I realize Hall's cap hit is tough, but this is a top end skilled forward arguably, if he was acquired, the most skilled in the Ranger lineup in years. I concur he likely won't be moved, but something drastic has to happen in Edmonton to change the culture. I'm not saying Hall is to blame for the culture - just saying that something like Perron for AA isn't enough. That team needs to be shaken to the core and more than 1 new player brought in. I strongly suspect MacT is motivated to do something drastic and when that situation arises and there are assets like that possibly available AND your organization lacks that sort of high end player, you investigate.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:43 pm EST

He's a UFA at the end of this season and is 35...what would Moore get? A second I would think...an RFA much younger and less expensive. Not that I WANT to trade him, but if they don't see him as part of the future...the market for D has been set a little, they should try to fleece a GM. Ask for a 2nd rounder from the Oilers (will be a top 3 or 4 picks in the round) or go get a first from a mid ranked team who needs D.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:37 pm EST

Ducks send a 3rd rounder to TB for Brewer.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:26 pm EST

RF4L: You mentioned Hags...and I agree 100%. I don't want to see him moved, or let walk in any way. If I were to prioritize the forwards UFA/RFA for the Rangers, I would say 1-Step, 2-MSL, 3-Hags, 4-Zucc. Step due to being a center, and playing so well the last couple years. MSL, well, he has a lot left, and he leads this team in so many ways. Hags for the reasons you pointed out. He brings things few others in the entire NHL bring, and is smart, so smart with out the puck. and Zucc is only last because most of what he brings can be replaced more easily. He doest have all the experience of a MSL, nor does he play center, and he is not as good defensively or as fast as Hags. Not that he doesn't have value, but you have to have priorities.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:23 pm EST

DUMP some vets, not DUMB some vets...

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:22 pm EST

McD saying good things about Fast...if he sees them I am sure the coaches see the same things and the C will talk to the coaches I am sure, and if everyone is on the same page, Fast may have found it to stick with the big club. Makes others more expendable...wonder if Glass will be moved, just for whatever....but it may be too early in the season for too many trades. Would need a team that needed a 4th line guy, and that may be the Oilers if they dumb some vets for young guys who are not ready or for more picks.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:20 pm EST

mf: didnt even look at the cap hits....but yeah...that 6 mill would be too steep.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:19 pm EST

Whatever the package, make sure T.Glass is in it.....

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:19 pm EST

Also..Hall has a $6 million cap hit for the next 5 years after this one.

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:18 pm EST

Wild, they wouldn't fit under out current cap.. Hall's paid $6mill per

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:17 pm EST

My computer changes Kreider to Cruder...not sure why

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:16 pm EST

Cruder out tomorrow....Grandfather passed away...sad news. Wonder if he knew things were near the end for his granddad, could account for some slippage in play...some guys react like that. Brooks say Ragners recalling Miller

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:16 pm EST

Dublin with the smack o'reality.... :-)

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:15 pm EST

Jim. It was a solid effort against a lousy team let's face it flyers overall are not a very good team , it's a type of opponent the Rangers should be able to beat !!!!

ilya


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:15 pm EST

RF4L: Sure if they add in their first round pick as well. You say they see Talbot as a number 1, Kreider is a top 6 wing, with size and speed. Moore is a top 6 D and should sign for good cap hit, and Miller is young. Giving up that much, even getting Hall back...no thanks. Talbot, Moore, Miller for Scrivens and Hall I would do...but I don't think Hall moves anyway. And I think that would leave the Rangers open for problems in net.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:12 pm EST

RF4L: if you were the Oilers would you make that trade?? Talbot would be going from the Ranger defense to the Oilers defense, would he then be that much better than Scrivens/Fasth and can he play at least 50 games; Does Miller have high value around the league; same with Moore; I put him and Kreider together..10 cent brains.

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:05 pm EST

Another guy I liked today and concur with those who insist he'd be missed if he was traded is Hagelin. His offensive skills aren't exactly world class, but his skating is and his willingness to hustle and be defensively aware make him a valuable and sometimes under-appreciated player. I just never see him take a shift off.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:03 pm EST

Oops...let me alter that proposal a bit because MacT is adamant about landing a center: Kreider, Talbot, Moore and Muenster Miller for Hall and Scrivens and a first?

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:02 pm EST

Wild: Yes, agreed. Ben Scrivens would have to come back the other way. Would you do this: Kreider, Talbot and J Moore for Taylor Hall and Scrivens (with the Oiler eating the $$ difference between the 2 goalies' salaries)?

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 4:00 pm EST

OUCH! Now that one hurt!!!

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:59 pm EST

RF4L: I have thought that same thing...but they would need to find a backup that can step in and get back to back shutouts like he just did...and for about the same money. Thats tough to do. His rights could be traded at the draft...not for as much...but they could be. And we don't know if his agent and Sather have spoken...they may have a range they want to be in, and both be happy with it and willing to wait. Talbot may want to stay in NY for a year or two more....its all guess work right now of course. But I would be leery or trading a good backup.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:58 pm EST

Wild: Yeah, that's the worry with Stepan. Is he really a 1B sort of center? So far that's where his career is pointing, but he's still young and this is his fifth year, which oftentimes is where skilled offensive players start to really mature. Obviously, the broken leg has set him back a bit, but IMO, he was the best Ranger on the ice today.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:58 pm EST

Last time I measured your grasp on reality it came in somewhere around < 5%

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:57 pm EST

RF: you're Mooooosing up the wrong tree.. Talbot is our A Rated insurance policy if something happens to Hank.. The team seems confident with him back-stopping, and I have no doubt he could carry us to the promised land if need be.... You don't drive without insurance... jmho naturally

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:57 pm EST

btw, how many goals would the 2015 late first round pick have scored in today's win? Oh? ZERO? huh...

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:56 pm EST

Hey one can be a fan and still have a grasp on reality dude!

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:55 pm EST

Im a Rangers fan. I cant help but to enjoy the wins.

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:54 pm EST

RF4L: I for one never though Brass would be or was (other than when Step was out) a first line center. I have always thought he was a good number 2. My only concern has ever been if Stepan can continue to put up .75ppg or better while winning draws and being able to play at both ends with helping the top wings get points. Issue with the Rangers is that it may be best to not have the top wings with Step and have them with Brass if they click better....but thats OK if there is a 1A and a 1B line instead of a clear number 1 and 2

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:54 pm EST

LOL...you can chant FIRE SATHER all you want, but your true Sather stroking colours cannot be hidden dude! LOL...keep on stroking!

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:52 pm EST

Just musing here (not advocating/proposing): With the Prince playing so well, would now be the time to shop him, seeing as he's a pending UFA and surely will be looking to move during the off-season to a team where he's got a legitimate chance at being the number 1 goalie? The Oilers are desperate for a number 1 goalie; could a package be put together involving him to nab one of the Oilers top end forwards? Again, just musing....

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:51 pm EST

I won't be happy about it, but he hasn't been signed, won't likely play more than 5 games if he is, and will get kicked to Peoria shortly after. Anyways, this is a Rangers board! FIRE SATHER

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:46 pm EST

Well perhaps you'll change your tune if/when Uncle Daddy starts manning their nets.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:45 pm EST

Stepan had a great game - IMO, if you gotta decide who's the number one center, it's easily him over Brassard. Brassard has too many games like today's. Stepan rounding into form.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:44 pm EST

They're fine enough!

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:42 pm EST

Rabid: Why? he has back to back shutouts in games he has played. The last time he got a shutout, Hank played the next game and got one. I wouldn't be sad to see Talbot in goal...but he IS the backup, like it or not....and Hank does usually respond after Talbot has had a good game.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:41 pm EST

Maybe the Blues should hire Sather - might solve their never-ending goaltending woes.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:41 pm EST

IMO, the Prince should start tomorrow. A solid game for him, but wasn't tested too much.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:39 pm EST

Hire Clarke, Holmgren and Hextall

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:39 pm EST

FIRE SATHER, I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:39 pm EST

Boo hoo cryers

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:38 pm EST

So 2 straight SOs for Talbot. Maybe he can play next game AV?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:33 pm EST

I'll take 59

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:28 pm EST

I didn't know how many decimal points you wanted :)

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:26 pm EST

NN that's 60 in my math

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:24 pm EST

STEVIE: 59.6 goal pace for Nash

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:20 pm EST

Moof what's your Nashtimate

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:19 pm EST

The assclowns getting booed off the ice ! Hahahahaha. What a pass by Step !

stepunmytoe


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:15 pm EST

Fuckin NASH !!! Yeah Baby !!!

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:15 pm EST

Wild: Yes, some weren't even forced turn-overs. But there were enough that the score should have been at least 4 0 and worse, Mason, unlike when the Rangers and Flyers played a week or so ago, is leaving juicy rebounds all over the place.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:13 pm EST

Yeah, another middling effort by Kreider. He's starting to frustrate me. I don't get it - it's like he doesn't want it very much.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:11 pm EST

another stupid penalty, they're frustration starting to show?

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:05 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/11-year-old-japanese-hockey-star-will-put-your-hands-to-shame/

RF73


Fri Nov 28 2014 3:02 pm EST

RF4L: And they were turnovers that the Rangers really didn't have to work hard for...some looked like the were trying to pass it to a Ranger stick.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:58 pm EST

Kreider starting to get lazy again...Needs to pick it up....The last two PP's were horrible....This thing should be over....

PJ


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:58 pm EST

And concur that the Flyers stink. How many turn-overs did they have in the first half of the second, and in their own yet? Had to be a half dozen....

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:54 pm EST

And yes, congrats to MSL.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:53 pm EST

Umberger sure is stinking it up in Philly this season. 3 points in 21 games after JD trades him for Hartnell (14 points in 21 games)

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:53 pm EST

Geeesh, offensively, how many chances do you wanna screw up? Flyers are ripe for the taking and the Rangers aren't taking advantage. Defensively, they've been superb, but so many bad passes and dumb mistakes with the puck offensively, led by Derick Brassard who on a single shift screwed up 3 separate passes.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:52 pm EST

A Ranger sweep and Berube is dead man walking.

Bob


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:44 pm EST

We're taking it to them, they can't keep up and taking bad penalties.. Give us a little credit here "Rosey Ranger." :-) .... On your other point, Flyers seem to bring in the wrecking ball instead of the tuning kit.. Ph_ck them, hope they never figure it out....

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:39 pm EST

I can't remember ever seeing the Flyers play this poorly. And its the second game in just a couple weeks against the Rangers that they seem to have forgotten to show up for, and other games I have seen parts of they haven't looked much better. I can't imagine there are not major changes coming, either behind the bench or on the ice...Will not be shocked to see the Flyers and Oilers swapping some bodies very soon.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:39 pm EST

Nbc nothing but crap keep hoping and pushing and pulling for the cryers ....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:39 pm EST

Very refreshing not hearing Micheletti, and not having Tanner Glass in the line-up.

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:26 pm EST

Kreider assist on MSLs 1, 000th.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:25 pm EST

OK...Hayes...he might be OVERLY CALM with the puck sometimes....just waits and waits, and has no urgency at times it seems....but that is better than the opposite.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:24 pm EST

Filthy getting outplayed & taking stupid penalties.. A little more of this and we'll see their stupid really start to show..

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:24 pm EST

"St. Louis has actually won a scoring championship in his thirties" what a bum!

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:23 pm EST

Congrats to MSL point # 1000 ........ Like we're not resigning him next season, sure.

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:21 pm EST

Msl 1000

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:19 pm EST

Did kid k stick even touch that guy high?

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:15 pm EST

jfc I can probably do something better too, but might not ever get a chance to prove it......

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:11 pm EST

stevie -- I think Miller tapes his stick better than Kreider does, but neither one tapes it as good as Fast.

JFC31


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:09 pm EST

Kathryn Tappen has got it goin on.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:08 pm EST

Can miller take a back seat until he's back in the nhl?

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:47 pm EST

Boyle is a difference-maker for this team....easy to see how not having him most of the season really hurt. He is so confident running the PP....not shy about sneaking in, not shy about blasting the puck on goal.

JFC31


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:44 pm EST

Wildcard - IMO, part of the problem is this: MILLER's top attributes lend to his offensive game. While his defense isn't awful, it's also not his strong point. So given this, you put the guy on fourth line(as the Rangers were doing last year), you're putting him in a position where he's not likely to stand out as much as if you had him paired with skilled wingers...and thus when you see him in NY, his game looks far more pedestrian than when I'm watching him in Hartford...I know some here think its nerves...and that may be the case...I'm sure the kid wants to be in NYC and if he's getting signals that he's on the bubble...maybe that's messing with his confidence...but most of all, I think what he needs/needed is what he's getting now, and that's big minutes in the A in a top-line role. In Hartford, teams consider him the Pack's top player. You hear announcers talk about it a lot...that's what he needs...to stay there and play that role and hone his offense...so that when he does return to NY, he can jump on any line and make that line better. Though I wish he had gotten more of an audition as third-line center, I think the team made the best choice they could make with him. Like I keep saying: I know we'll see Miller again. Not a matter of if...matter of when.

tdchi


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:41 pm EST

Ranger Flyer matchups are like the Jocks (us) playing the Mugs (them) ....

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:38 pm EST

JFC: Exactly regarding Philthadelphia, and on Nash's positioning on that PPG....

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:35 pm EST

Seen a lot of AKESON when he was with ADK...he's a very good player...would be a good addition...but I can't see who they'd set aside to sign him.

tdchi


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:35 pm EST

NASH standing right in front of the goalie on the PP goal...beautiful! He's doing so many things right this season!

JFC31


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:33 pm EST

RR - Ahh..see now you're changing the argument...The original one is that when you put KREIDER next to MILLER and compare them skill wise, Miller is the better passer of the two. That is true from everything I've seen of both players...now and in the pass... Now you're throwing in "at the NHL level" and that makes the argument impossible because only one is in the NHL...look, this whole discussion is kind of ludicrous because I could care less as long as the Rangers are winning...I know you have a thing for Kreider and you're right, he's a talented player...but passing is by no means his forte. Is he a bad passer? Hell no. I'd say he's good. Just not as good as some on the team or in the organization, including Miller. But there's literally no stat you can recite to show this empirically with any degree of accuracy or validity, so that is my opinion and you disagree with it. I guess we can leave it at that then.

tdchi


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:27 pm EST

I watch that pregame video from the 70's and I am reminded. Just how much I absolutely HATE, LOATHE, DESPISE the Flyers organization. No other organization in any sport is even close...not even the Red Sox or Cowboys

JFC31


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:21 pm EST

Yeah they sent Glass home. Thats like a 5-game losing streak waiting to happen if he infects the team.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:15 pm EST

Glass is sick....Ok thought he was healthy scratch....

PJ


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:14 pm EST

Moore being out makes perfect sense to me.....What people see in this guy is beyond me.....Agree with AV Hunwick has outplayed him....Glass out vs Flyers?....That I wouldn't do.....

PJ


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:10 pm EST

Sayonara Setoguchi

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:10 pm EST

Agreed Evets. Good stuff.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 12:58 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord With Ryan McDonagh in the lineup, John Moore will be healthy scratch. AV says Hunwick has been more dependable with the puck.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 12:46 pm EST

I think we should look at overall draft record during that same period. First, though, I'm wondering how many players need to come out of a draft for it to be considered a successful one?? Anyway: 2000-95th pick: Dominic Moore, 205th: Henrik Lundqvist. 2001-40th: Tyutin, 176th: Zidlicky. 2002-basically nothing (Prucha picked at 240). 2003-nothing. 2004-19th: Korpikoski, 60th: Dubinsky, 127th: Callahan. 2005-12th: Staal, 40th: Mike Sauer (shame). 2006-54th: Anisimov. 2007-168th: Hagelin. 2008-20th: Del Zotto, 51st: Stepan, 111th: Dale Weise. 2009-19th: Kreider, 80th: Ryan Bourque (who could be a serviceable 4th liner). 2010-10th: McIlrath??? 157th: Jesper Fast. 2011-15th:Miller??? 2012-28th: Skjei??? 2013-65th: Tambellini???, 75th: Buchnevich??, 80th: Duclair, 170th: Skapski. Now, I realize that the later drafts are still up in the air, but I think that is a pretty good yield of solid NHL players over the past 14 years.

evets1980


Fri Nov 28 2014 12:10 pm EST

Jason Akeson on waivers today

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 12:08 pm EST

ICYMI: Setoguchi waived, passed through, demoted.

Messier11


Fri Nov 28 2014 11:03 am EST

McD In...John Moore out (strange one to me) and Stemp in Glass out with "flu like symptoms" I guess he feels sick over how bad he played the other night.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:54 am EST

Wild: Re the 13 draft - yes, could be. COULD be...

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:45 am EST

RF4L: On that '13 draft. That may turn out to be the best draft in Ranger history...and it could be one of the best drafts any team has ever had. I mean, no first or second rounders, and they come out early on looking like three 3rd rounders, a 4th rounder and a 6th rounder may end up ALL having some sort of impact at the NHL eventually. Hell if just 3 of those guys make the team at all thats a great draft. Major early on hat tip to the scouting staff on that draft.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:39 am EST

RF4L: But the draft is more than the 1st round. Ask the RedWings how many of their impact players came in the first round, or how much of their roster is from the first round. Rather and his staff (BTW his staff tells him who the best guy is, he has always said he does it that way he trusts his staff) and especially the last few drafts, has come up with really good to great 2nd and 3rd round picks. I refuse to look at one round of a draft to rate a GM and his staff, its about the entire draft.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:39 am EST

Td, I never said JT wasnt a good passer. I said hes not as good a passer as Kreider, at the nhl level, which the facts bare out right now. Two different things you should be able to understand.Miller attempts way too many low percentage plays (and takes too many low % shots) and his stats reflect it. Now please, Im trying to enjoy a fucking season here, not spend it talking about some prospect. You & York or whoever can spend it talking about how dreamy JT Miller's eyes are, or any other thing you please. But leave me OUT of it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:37 am EST

Sather has a whole bunch of years where the draft overall fetched very little. If MM and McI are busts, it will mean 2 consecutive drafts years will likely fetch a single player - Jasper Fast. His best year was 2008 when he landed MDZ, Stepan (who arguably, when you factor in the round, might be Sather's best pick, outside of course, of the King) and Dale Weise (another Sather let go for nothing). It'll be interesting to see how the 13 draft shapes up, given Duclair's obvious skillset, Buchnevich's potential and the fact that Mackenzie Skapski's play for the Pack is so encouraging. And that's leaving out Tambellini, who's having a solid final year of junior for the Calgary Hitmen, and Ryan Graves who could evolve into a physical defensive defenseman down the road.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:35 am EST

td: I am not saying you are "wrong" about miller. but he has not shown it more than he has at the NHL level. I don't care if its 10 min or 5 min. If you can make good passes you will still make a few. And YES he has at times made really great passes that show what he is capable of. I said it yesterday, to me, he looks like he is forcing things at the NHL level, almost like he feels he MUST be showing his best instead of just letting the game come. A Lot of young players have that issue, so its not a shock, but other young players are figuring it out quicker than he is. Again, thats why I think it may be a good idea to give a simple job on the 4th line, really lay into him that points don't matter for him, just going hard and being responsible is all that matters. I think if he can go and concentrate on something other than doing things with the puck offensively that those things will just come naturally and he will find his game that way. As it is, he comes into an NHL game and just works almost too hard to make things happen and in doing so he misses the easy play. I think it was the first game of the season, he had 4 choices, go for a shot from an "ok" angle, try to beat the man 1-on-1 for a great chance, pass the puck through 2 or 3 sets of legs and give another guy a great chance, or drop the puck over to the late Dman coming in and drive the net. The last option was probably best, kinda leave the puck behind, drive the net look for a rebound while trying to open more of a shooting lane for the Dman. Taking the shot was next best. The worst two options were try to beat the guy and try to pass through 3 sets of legs, he tried the pass, the puck went the other way on a 3 on 2. To me, its not that he doesn't know thats a tough play at any level, its that he wants to bad to make a great play to say "see I belong here" that he forgets what has gotten him to the NHL level in the first place.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:29 am EST

Man, if Miller and McI turn out to be busts, I see the argument for Sather trading away his first rounders, especially reasonably high ones (what should occur, however, is his sorry, aged ass gets fired but that's another issue altogether). Look at his 1st round history since coming to NY: 2000 - no pick. 2001 - Dan Blackburn (rushed prematurely into the NHL and long gone with no impact on the club). 2002 - no pick, thanks to that silly Bure trade. 2003 - Huge Jessibust - his nickname says it all. 2004 - Al Montoya and Lauri Korpikoski - both moved out of the organization early in their careers for what amounts to 0. 2005 - Marc Staal - fabulous pick. 2006 - Bob Sanguinetti - bust. 2007 - Alexei Cherepanov - tragic results. 2008 - MDZ - rushed prematurely into the NHL and traded for a solid return in KK. 2009 - Chris Kreider - good pick that might become a great pick. 2010 - McI. 2011 - Muenster Miller. 2012 - Brady Skjei. 2013 - traded pick. 2014 - traded pick. So with a total of 11 picks and FOUR traded away, only 2, at this point, can be deemed as solid choices. TWO! To be fair, I'll give Sather the benefit of the doubt on Skjei so, it's 2 of 10, or 20% success rate. Factor in the realization that 3 of those 8 were selections 15th and higher, and the achievement is that much more dubious. Job for life - HA! That's Sather's most masterful accomplishment since coming to NY.

RF4L


Fri Nov 28 2014 10:21 am EST

RR - I don't need to insinuate anything. If you're saying MILLER isn't a good passer, then obviously you haven't seen him play enough. And look, if you don't want to talk to me about Miller, then don't talk out your ass about him...You can recite stats all day long and they still won't give you the full story of what a player is doing. In this case, you're basing just about everything you know of the kid on how he's performed at a bottom line role getting 10 minutes a night in the NHL for brief callups during the season...So do whatever you want. If you want to make a scene here and start flaming again, have at it. Won't bother me a bit. I'm going to continue to call you out when you say stuff that is simply not rooted in reality.

tdchi


Fri Nov 28 2014 9:47 am EST

stevielegs: You make a point there I have worried about with every player coming into the Rangers org. Can they deal with the spotlight of NYC and the Rangers? Those that can't deal with it also couldn't play in most cities north of the boarder, and a coupe others in the USA. If it looks like that is happening, lets say Miller get another chance or two and just can't make an impact like he does at a lower level, the best thing for HIM would be to move him to a city that Hockey is not so big. Im not saying ship him to south Florida, but a city like Denver, its Broncos Country out here, the AVS are loved sure, but if its NFL season, there is almost not talk of the AVS, they are an afterthought at least until the playoffs. They nee to figure it out, the org that is, he may never work with the Rangers, and if thats the case move him, get good return, he has a good amount of value. May even be able to move him for a 1st rounder to a team that is mid standings right now, or at the least a high second rounder.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 28 2014 8:07 am EST

When muenster miller stops being jt jitters in the nhl is when he might become monster miller... Until such time he's a good ahl player with potential. If he can't ever do it in the nhl that will make him a bust. Obviously he has a confidence problem at the nhl level. Hopefully he figures it out and gets it done with the nyr , or he'll be traded to a city with a lot less pressure....and maybe he sticks in the nhl there....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 7:13 am EST

Is the Captain back today? If so, this will be the first time the entire starting lineup0 plays together this year. The next 5 games are crucial to work on consistent lines that work and activating the Defense. Let's go step on the Flyers throats!

DCIGolfer


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:49 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/11/27/not-even-vigneault-can-identify-rangers-consistency-issues/

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 6:48 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/11/28/doc-emrick-explains-rangers-inconsistency-tips-cap-to-isles/

stevielegs


Fri Nov 28 2014 2:54 am EST

Sounds like Quebec is posturing hard for an NHL franchise .... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/quebec-remparts-sold-for-between-20-million-and-25-million-source/

mf


Fri Nov 28 2014 1:01 am EST

TD, for the love of God listen to me. I dont control shit here. You can say any damn thing that comes into your head. You can say anything at all to me, even call me every name in the book if it makes you happy & I wouldnt mind. But you have got to stop talking to me about JT Miller. These mystical passing skills you talk about, at the NHL level, have generated a whopping 5 assists in 59 games.5. Thats an embarrassment for a supposed playmaker, again, at the NHL level. And thats what we're talking about. Everyone knows the kid is a very solid AHL point producer.sure hes got good hands, nice vision, nice moves (really nice. I happen to like him as a 1-on-1, open-ice player) If you want to count his NHL playoffs, Miller has 7 assists in 63 games. 7. In roughly 3/4's of an NHL season. Miserable production. So please, stop trying to insinuate I havent watched the kid for 3+ seasons like your buddy York. Ive seen way more than I care to see in his dozen Ranger auditions. So thats only going to anger me & force basically a board shutdown. Im sure you remember our previous battles, and theres no need to go that route again. Its not fair to others. Just leave me out of it. Again, I say please. The kid can make all the plays in Hartford, it means diddly. Im sure if you sent him to Greenville he'd make even more plays. Put him back in bantam, he could be Gretzky. Means less than zero. For JT Miller it is all about what he can do his next chance in the NHL. But the numbers dont lie, and you sound unhinged with this kid.. Please already.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Nov 27 2014 6:01 pm EST

When I said If Klein AND Hunwick went down, I mean injured, not demoted

Messier11


Thu Nov 27 2014 6:00 pm EST

Wild- I caveated every reason in your post. IF Klein Hunwick Moore keep improving. IF Staal and Moore are re-signed long term.

Messier11


Thu Nov 27 2014 5:17 pm EST

Also per @JimCerny, Stempniak skated in Duclair's third-line spot today and John Moore appeared to be extra defenseman. @AGrossRecord So with Cam Talbot starting tomorrow in Philly, Lundqvist gets Saturday home matinee vs. Flyers. ......According to @NYRangers, McDonagh paired with Girardi at practice. Looks like he could play tomorrow..... John Moore appeared to be extra defenseman......

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 3:16 pm EST

Also, If those two go down I think for sure McIlrath would be up, maybe even if just Klein went down, Hunwick has a different style, and thats why McIlrath went back down when Klein came back, they have the same the of game.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 3:15 pm EST

Mess: HIGHLY doubt they would move him just because of those things. You need depth. Hunnwick will not be signed next season most likely. Steal may not be on the team after the deadline this year. Never know what is going on behind closed doors. But In any case Boyle is gone after next year, and Moore still needs a new deal as well, they will keep all the young D most likely, unless a killer deal comes along, but I don't see that either. Unless they feel McIlrath will never fully develop he isn't going anyplace.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 3:06 pm EST

With Klein (though he got beat on one of those Cally goals) Moore and Hunwick all improving, I don't see how McIlrath comes up in the foreseeable future. The way Hunwick is playing, he is likely to get a one-way deal from somebody next season, almost definitely would be claimed on waivers if we tried to demote. I doubt he sees the AHL again for quite awhile. If Klein AND Hunwick went down, maybe McIlrath gets the call. IF Klein keeps improving, and If Moore and Staal extend after this season, I wouldn't be surprised if we moved McIlrath.

Messier11


Thu Nov 27 2014 2:30 pm EST

should read that AV calls up McIlrath...

mf


Thu Nov 27 2014 2:29 pm EST

WildCard: I'm a "defense wins ballgames" sportsfan, who happens to like John Moore andd wants him to stay. I think he has plenty of untapped upside potential.. If Big Mac is playing that well that well, this year or beginning next, HUNWICK goes down (or getsa signed for the Wolfpack next year for emergency call up) we call him up and let Coach AV work him into the lineup.. Give your defensemen regularly scheduled maintenance days off based on health & production. Dan Boyle is most likely gone after next season, opens a spot on the right side.. IF McIlrath can really work to improve his skating this next 18 months we've got a gem.. Please don't read this as I'm knocking his skating, I get most of my info on him here, but what I do get is that the game has changed over the past two decades, and skating skills are more important than ever.. Couple that with a serious knee injury, working with skating coaches is not going to hurt his game, if anything it'll increase his lower body strength...

mf


Thu Nov 27 2014 2:08 pm EST

mf: "no way"? What if mcIlrath gets a shot and OUT play Klein, or plays to the same level as him? McIlrath is a much bigger bargain than Klein.....I am not saying you just trade Klein to make room for the kid but you don't hang onto Klein if the kid is as good or better. As for those two being the 3rd pair...what about Moore? He has seemed to turn some corner, and is using his shot more, looks better than I can ever remember in all 3 zones. Why would you move him? Perfect world Allen and McIlrath are "stuck" for the year in Hartford, and get a shot during next season and than a trade can be made if need be. No rush on the kids at D.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 2:01 pm EST

McIlrath: No way would I trade Kevin Klein to make room for him.. Klien is a bargain in this cap world at $2.9 mill for this season & 3 more after it...... Question for you Hockey Legends, ""How Critical is it to have your 3rd line defensive pair contain a LHS and a RHS? Add to that, Is it going to hamper the overall play of thatone individual, or the play of the team to have their shut down defender who is a RHS play the Left Side defense, or have Kevin Klein play the Left side when paired with Dylan McIlrath? ( I believe that both Dallas & Carolina have something like 5 LHS defensemen in their line-ups. Many other teams are lopsided 4-2 LHS vs RHS) .....Are we getting painted into a corner here because it's optimal to have 3 LHS & 3 RHS ???

mf


Thu Nov 27 2014 1:23 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-blueliners-plentiful-in-upcoming-ufa-crop/

mf


Thu Nov 27 2014 1:19 pm EST

Hunwick: Gets rattled pretty easily when fore-checked in the defensive end.. He's not the runt of the litter, but he doesn't have ideal size for a defenseman.. I would not bail on John Moore so quickly even if we're an ocean apart on the money. What will he fetch us in trade?

mf


Thu Nov 27 2014 1:13 pm EST

Wild:IMO your post at 11:00 pertaining to the 4th line is spot on.. Miller is ready to be called from the on-deck circle and 4th line LW is the position.... (Off point a second here) We have a damn good engine of a team here, it needs to fine tuned a bit to run better.. The 4th line has been in the spotlight quite a bit and IMO it's never gonna change with Tanner Glass on it... He's got to go.. Pencil in ANY two names to flank Dom Moore and watch the dynamic of that line change before your eyes.. Here are 4 perfectly acceptable names for the 4th line: Miller, Malone, Fast, Stempniak.... Allow me to choose Miller & Stempniak.. This line has speed, veteran experience, a threat to score, grit.. Provides Miller NHL experience, and if Millers passing is "that" advanced, he'll find Moore & Stempniak, they're good players who can play 3rd (Moore) & 2nd (Stemp) line minutes in a pinch.. We're going nowhere with Tanner Glass, and if we're focusing on a forth line wing to fine tune the roster, we're in good shape.. We have a six day hiatus coming up, get Miller up here to practice with the big boys..

mf


Thu Nov 27 2014 12:53 pm EST

td: In defense of, well everyone not Stamkos, he is damn good at not getting hit much. He reads the ice so well, finds soft spots and just seems to know when to get rid of the puck and move to avoid getting knocked around too much. The Rangers MUST be better though, at least getting close to him and taking away his easy ice, but putting him down isn't easy.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 12:47 pm EST

Officiating was awful, but really can't blame that one on the stripes...there were entire stretched of the game where the Rangers were pinned in their own zone. Like all of the second period really. Rangers need to find another gear if they're going to contend with Tampa. Either that or they're going to have to get some bangers in the lineup to put STAMKOS on his ass. That guy was allowed to wander around the ice the whole game. I don't think he got hit once.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 12:38 pm EST

Stemp should be in the lineup...From what I have seen he has been one guy that did show up most nights....The officiating was bad last night but Nash screwed up badly....We are up one and it is late in the period...His first penalty was obvious and it is the one they scored on. Just can't do it and expect to win....

PJ


Thu Nov 27 2014 12:28 pm EST

stevielegs -we get it. You don't like Miller. But bringing Lundmark and Brendl in the discussion...that's just stupidity. I shouldn't have to point that out to you unless you've forgotten both and that it was a different ERA for the Rangers and the NHL. But whatever. Bong on.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:53 am EST

stevielegs: thats why I suggested giving him a simple task on the 4th line. Let him know points don't matter for him. See if with no pressure really to perform that way if he can finally settle in at the NHL level and just let his game come to him as he has a few times, and stop pressing as it seems he does. I know the 4th line isn't his ideal place, but Moore is not slouch when he has a chance with the puck, and Fast or Stemp are not horrible either, so on a 4th line like that he could still use his game, but with out the pressure of being on a top line. If he can't do that, maybe he never will...but there is always the fact that he is still a very young man....so you can never be certain.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:48 am EST

and the excuse reasons continue to mount for muenster jitters....how about when he's 22 or 23 ?......do the names brendl and lundmark et al ring a bell.......

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:44 am EST

the veenyo logic.....http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/lee-stempniak/read-the-lee-stempniak-situation-right-now/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:18 am EST

Wild - I don't disagree that HAYES and DUCLAIR looked really good yesterday on the line with HAGS...and yes, Hayes is looking comfortable at center...still, I think one of the problems with MILLER, whether on wing or in the center, is that he's a round peg and the only openings on the Rangers are square holes...While he can play that energy line role, I think that's a lot of the problem with him at the NHL level...that when he's in such a role, you're taking several of his top tricks out of the bag...on HAYES: He's either at or beyond Miller's development, clearly, since he's with the big team...but he's also a year older and, as I mentioned with KREIDER, had the benefit of developing in the NCAA, which is quickly becoming/has become a formidable league to play in...Keep in mind, while guys in the CHL are playing largely against teenagers and your scattered overager...the NCAA is FILLED with former CHLers who aged out, didn't get drafted and are looking to continue their hockey careers...the NCAA is increasingly pushing out nearly NHL-ready players...Now in hindsight, it would have been much better for Miller to skate three seasons at North Dakota, than what he did...one in juniors and two bouncing between the NHL and AHL...but I digress.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:13 am EST

another thing on McIlrath, td I am happy to hear he was just there, and didn't really stand out. His game will never stand out offensively....and if he stays out any other way, well thats bad for a defensive Dman. When guys like him play well they are boring as hell. Nothing happens, they don't stand out in any way, and USUALLY that is because the opposition doesn't do anything through him or his area, either because his positioning is so good, or they avoid his side because they know it will be easier with the other Dman.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:06 am EST

td: On McIlrath, I agree. Everyone wants to paint him as not liked by AV or the Rangers because he only got one game. Well Klein came back, and they are similar. Yeah Koska sucks, but I don't think AV wanted McIlrath exposed with the way the entire team was playing D at that time. There was little support for the D, bad news for a younger Dman. And yeah, he needs to play a LOT especially as a young Dman who has missed time to injury. Wouldn't shock me to see Klein traded if McIlrath gets a chance and plays well later in the season. Not this season, but at the draft or something, Klein could be moved, and that would open cap space to resign the forwards that need to be resigned and Staal....but thats off in the future IF there is a need for him to be called up and if he doesn't get hurt and if he plays well. lots of ifs.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:05 am EST

RF4L- The Pack aren't unique in that regard. You look at the top teams in the AHL and aside from Rockford, the Hawks' affiliate, they're all pretty craptacular. I've been watching a lot of the AHL this season and only a handful of players in the entire league stand out...Most of them are former first-rounders...the rest just kind of blend into the mix...Like Chris BOURQUE for instance...I expected him to look like an all-star, given what he's already done in the A. He shows flashes of brilliance...his shot is something else...but the rest of his game? Meh.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 11:00 am EST

td: I agree with that take on Miller, he does a lot of things really well,and he has a god first step...not the fasted guy not he ice, but can get to his top speed quickly...always noticed that even at the NHL level, at least int he games he played well. Doesn't change that I think they should move him to wing. Hayes keeps looking more comfortable, and year face-off still are a problem, but otherwise he is really settling into that center spot and that line may have been the best line with the puck last night. Add to that Lindberg should develop into at least a replacement for Moore on the 4th line next year or the year after, and unless Brass or Stepan get moved, and Hayes stops improving the best place for him to have a shot to help the Rangers is from the wing. Hayes has made it hard for AV to not play him, and that hurts Miller. If Hayes was not playing as well Miller would probably be up getting a shot right now....and while Miller isn't a 4th line guy, after last night i would call him up and put him in for Glass on the LW and keep everything else the same. Maybe Stemp in for Fast as Fast was out of position quite a few times last night, and didn't seem as solid. But I would get Miller up, tell him to play a simple north-south game, hustle back on D and help control the puck down low...and when the chance arrises get a good shot. But make it clear he will not be judged on scoresheet numbers, but on effort and how many chances the other teams gets. IMHO he has worried too much in the past about producing offensively when in the NHL, and pushes to hard for that rather than playing a good all around game. Thats what Hayes has done, and lower number are OK for a young guy, so it works out. Miller needs to bring that attitude with him.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:58 am EST

On McILRATH - Frankly, I see no reason to have him on the roster unless the Rangers are interested in trading KLEIN...He's not going to play the off-handed side...he's not going to bump Dan BOYLE from the lineup...and if one of those guys did get injured, all he's going to get is 10-14 minutes back there...he needs bigtime minutes...gotta be playing 20-plus if we have expect him to be anything more than Dale PURINTON...the time when I'd want a guy like Mack up is closer to the playoffs...when the game starts to slow down a bit and cater more to checking line guys...bring him up in April for experience before the playoffs..then let him rip.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:57 am EST

TD; I look at the Pack lineup and shake my head. There simply isn't much talent there. For me, the most encouraging player is the goalie. No one else does much for me, as much as I like McI.

RF4L


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:52 am EST

PatrickDiv: You missing part of what AV said about that fight. He said there is no place for it in the game, a reporter asked a follow up stating that MacIlrath had said the guy was running the Ragners forwards and thats why he went at him. AV said that if that what was happening that yeah, it was OK. He distinguishes between a fight just for a fight and a guy trying to change a guys tone. Only one part of his statement about that fight were really put out there.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:50 am EST

RR - For someone who has seen so much of MILLER, you seem to know sparsely little about his game. Passing is, indeed, one of his top skills. It's not to say KREIDER can't pass. Rather he's just not as good at it as Miller. Miller can thread the needle. He does it game in and game out. Watched him do it four or five times last night...passes that with most recipients would be goals...Miller also has a nice jump to his step...very good acceleration....Nowhere near as good as Kreider's though, but still above average. While Miller can use his first stride to open up the distance between him and a backchecker, Kreider can blast by guys who have a leg on him... Get what I'm saying here? I can't believe we're sitting here arguing about which player is better when they're part of the same franchise and each bring something unique to the table.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:41 am EST

On Jordan NOLAN - I'd take a flyer. But really what you're getting is a younger, larger Tanner GLASS. Though I'd like him to toughen up the forward lines, he's not a guy who is going to bring the offense we need on fourth line...there's a reason why FAST is skating with MOORE and GLASS right now instead someone like MALONE, and it ain't because of his toughness...Still, I'd see what the Kings wanted...agreed, the real prizes are Dwight KING or Kyle CLIFFORD...especially King, who I doubt they'd trade.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:37 am EST

RF: McI is what we need back there and for some reason, the coach wont put him in. The fact that Kostka got more of a look than he did says it all. He then diminished what Mc did by standing up to Reaves by stating that it was staged and has no place in the game. Before that fight Reaves was running around hitting everything in sight with no answer. Would Vignault prefer Glass try to stand up to him? This is why coaches get paid to coach. It's time the GM tells him to play the kid and stop messing around. On the offensive side, we have missed Prust since he left and have tried to slot in different players to address it. Fact is, we don't have team toughness. There is no finishing of checks nor the willingness to beat the crap out of someone who takes a liberty with one of our top guys. The presence of that 4th line from a few years back (or even last year) was a key component to our identity which is why not having a line like it in my opinion we have yet to cultivate one.

PatrickDiv


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:35 am EST

Watched the Pack knuckle through a shoot-out win last night...pretty unremarkable game all things considering, aside from them choking in the final five minutes of the game ...MALONE was in, so I'm wondering if he wasn't a healthy scratch before...had a decent game, but not really the type I'd expect from a former 20-goal scorer in the NHL...The guy who continues to impress me is VAIVE...Guy just loves to park himself in front of the net and opposing D has a tough time doing anything about it...has no real talent per se...I'm not sure if he'd score a goal were it not for his work in front of the net...and really, I question whether he could keep up with the NHL game...but man, would it be nice to have a specialist like him to wheel out on the PP...KRISTO had a decent game...scored an empty netter in the first...BODIE made one of his trademark 'cough up the puck down low' plays to lead to the first goal...MILLER took a double minor for whacking a guy in the face...lead to the second Devils goal...and the third came with only a few minutes left in the third...Malone almost had the GWG...Once again, the player who stood out routinely for the Pack was Miller. Started the game slow, but by the third period he was buzzing...McILRATH had a pretty pedestrian game...nothing good or bad to report...Ditto with ALLEN...but man, the rest of the Pack D just sucks...KOSTKA isn't awful, but when you combine the gaffs by Bodie with the rotating crew of ECHLers they have on the bottom pairing...man...they just leave SKAPSKI out to dry...Another oddity to report: Marek HRIVIK was playing center last night, so it was him, Miller, Potulny and Lindberg down the middle...first I've ever seen of him there. Though not playing bad, HRIVIK simply isn't doing enough to distinguish himself from the rest of the Pack forwards...LINDBERG was fairly quiet...not a bad game...but man, he doesn't look as good as he did when his fellow countryman on his flank...but they had him with Vaive and Joey CRABB, so it wasn't like he had the most talented wingers.

tdchi


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:31 am EST

I would think twice about sending Duclair to the WJCs. Don't think it has done kids good in the past, they often disappoints and its a big adjustment both ways. They are far from ready to play junior hockey when they get there after getting drilled to not take shortcuts for the previous 6 month's, then they get back all the bad habits (these bad habits are very effective in junior hockey because you get away with them), and they have to adjust again for the pro game. I shouldn't overstate this problem, and maybe Duclair can be an exception, but I've seen plenty of kids over the years just seem burdened to play..

Ola


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:20 am EST

gross..."...The Rangers practice at noon Thursday, still in Tampa, Fla. at Amalie Arena before flying to Philadelphia for Friday’s matinee against the Flyers, the start of a back-to-back, home-and-home series with the Flyers. The big questions from Thursday’s practice will be whether Ryan McDonagh will be deemed ready to return to the lineup after separating his left shoulder on Nov. 1 and whether Cam Talbot plays for Henrik Lundqvist Friday or Saturday."

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:17 am EST

And happy thanksgiving to all those south of the border!!

RF4L


Thu Nov 27 2014 10:16 am EST

patdiv: Yes and that's why I get so wound up about McI sometimes. He's precisely what's missing on the Rangers backline. BTW, shouldn't you have a name change, to something like MetDiv? ;^)

RF4L


Thu Nov 27 2014 9:35 am EST

Mess- The guy I really want is either King or Clifford. Nolan would be a toss in...This team has no jam. Yes, you can say that Krieder threw 5 hits but who was in front of the net? Who was clearing ours? We had zero net presence last eve and that made much of the difference.

PatrickDiv


Thu Nov 27 2014 8:28 am EST

stepan gets pulled down with a step ahead which would have been a breakaway, penalty but no penalty shot?.....another rule not enforced....except in the scf......

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 8:22 am EST

BTW, I hope the Blues sign Uncle Daddy and he stinks. That might be enough to have the arrogant SOB finally disappear. He needs that giant ego pounded down several notches.

RF4L


Thu Nov 27 2014 8:19 am EST

The Rangers wake up out of the POs this norning, meaning their yo-yo season continues. Just what is this team? A PO bubble team? Right now they are. IMO, a split with the Flyers will only continue that trend.

RF4L


Thu Nov 27 2014 8:16 am EST

when does stempi get back in? he's a lot better than fast....when is d day for duclair to be sent to wj tourney? .....maybe veenyo will figure his team out by game 41.......21 are gone.....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 8:08 am EST

Callahan interferes and knocks down dinty no moore, no call......until the nhl and refs get close to calling a game correctly, they will continue to influence the outcome of games incorrectly.....credibility and accountability are not being accomplished.....enough.....the nhl is in the stone age of video....take 1 ref off the ice , and put him in-between the benches.....and give him a TV.....with slo mo dvr.....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 7:27 am EST

the pk couldn't stop them....just what was the penalty on mza? and if Nash was chara, it's ok......2 gifts.....2 goals...lose 2 points.....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 27 2014 5:55 am EST

stinker game last night can't give up 4

Ola


Thu Nov 27 2014 5:16 am EST

And that was a big giant choke job by St Louis late with a chance to tie. Talk about being wrong, I wouldve bet the ranch & everything in it he' notch his 1, 000 point in TB. Not that I care about that either. How many bogus milestones have we had to celebrate while Nosen creams himself. Gretz, Bure, Lindros, Jagr blah blah... a lot of those points were against us. Anyway, I wait to resign MSL. Maybe forever.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Nov 27 2014 5:00 am EST

Rabid- Yeah, but Miller is still only 21 y/o. He is good at a lot of things that are pretty rare to find in a player. Would be suprised if we couldn't turn him into a good durable homegrown player for us to be honest.

Ola


Thu Nov 27 2014 4:30 am EST

Mustve seen Miller play 100 games since he was drafted; how many does one need to form an opinion? Ridiculous. Imo his size & skill is real good in the A but just good-to avg in the NHL. His head, where is that at? Who knows, but thats going to be the difference maker. And no, I havent seen him make the nifty ultra-tight feeds in the NHL. I have seen Kreider do it quite a bit. What JT does in Htfd I could care less now because he's done it before. And because it bores me to death. And yeah, cause I get pissed when guys dont even try to grab the brass ring. Onto real Rangers & a skewed game last night. TB got gift-wrapped the 1st PP goal, got one (almost) kicked in (was correct call), and another disgusting break on Kreider call closing secs as we're driving to the net with fucking numbers!! Wth?. Anyway, that was some shot HL took off the mask. Hope hes ok cause it was a bomb that caught him square. Dan Boyle was real good, but you can just see adventures coming. Glass, Callys a RHS. If he dekes left great, youve got time, but defend forehand first. Althat was a crusher. 3 posts. And speaking of Kreider, now hes pressing. And Zuc, mishandled the puck almost every time he had it. Very uncharacteristic, he cant be 100%.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Nov 27 2014 1:55 am EST

Jordan Nolan: why do we care about a 25 year old former 7th round draft pick who has never broken 10 points in the NHL? Is he better than Dom Moore? I doubt it.

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:59 pm EST

Carcillo hasn't been so hot with Chicago this season, but Dorsett is doing pretty great in Vancouver. However, Kreider was out there being a beast all game, some other players being chippy. I don't know if that's why we lost tonight.

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:44 pm EST

Reports on TSN that Eastern teams are calling the kings on Jordan Nolan as they are in need of some help on D. If Moore is the odd man out when Mac is back, perhaps he can bring us back the size, speed and hitting we need? Nolan alone isn't going to get it done for a 24 yr old promising young D on a very affordable $850K RFA contract. I like Moore but how much of a gulf do you think exists between what he wants and what the team will give him? If we may not qualify him then send him out for parts we need. It would need to be more than Nolan to get it done but we need some "disruptive force" on this team. I'd love to grab Clifford or King... I agree with someone earlier about how much fun it would have been to have Car-bomb back on the team. Besides Glass (and Zucc!!!) there is zero physicality up front. Too bad Malone couldn't keep up...

PatrickDiv


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:36 pm EST

Halak, last season. Same goalie that has the isles playing so well.

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:13 pm EST

Yeah and pretty amusing to see Uncle Daddy's incessant whining to the press that he's not ready for retirement has finally resulted in a team reaching out to him. If the Blues actually sign him, it'll be quite amusing and only add to their goaltending fallacy that has existed for years and years and years. When is the last time they had a true number 1 goalie? Was it JD? Mike Luit? LOL....

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:06 pm EST

JFC: Re your argument to have McI on the Ranger roster - bang on and another strong argument to back my belief that this coach won't play him.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:05 pm EST

A total of 10 shots with 2 minutes to go in the 2nd period. Precisely how to make things stupidly difficult to win a game against an opponent with superior offensive skill.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:27 pm EST

Rabid you see him plenty by your own admission you see him 1-2 times a year in hartford so you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. Miller makes sick passes in hartford can he translate that to the nhl? Yet to be determined. As for your drive by comment you referenced my previous post which was between TD and i. Im not sure why you're getting stupid with me unless i want to throw them? What did you have a big bowl of stupid-os for dinner pedal that shite elsewhere

York18


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:23 pm EST

Which game does the prince get Friday or Saturday ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:21 pm EST

MSL and Boyle are playing well. Malone was recently healthy scratch in THE AHL

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:13 pm EST

Penalties help kill us again. When our D got as aggressive as theirs in the 3rd period, we had much more puck possession. Thought the continuing improvement and telling of the Hayes line was a bright spot. We need McD back ASAP

JFC31


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:11 pm EST

add them to MSL & Boyle

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:09 pm EST

What a weak call with everything going on..

Shaggy


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:03 pm EST

Morrow and Malone, huh? Want to be the New York AARP?

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:58 pm EST

Way to go Nash!

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:53 pm EST

Anyone, was Morrow a free agent at the end of last season? TBL has Morrow, we have Tanner Glass..... Get MALONE in here already for crying out loud....

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:48 pm EST

Let them walk in and have that one

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:35 pm EST

How much better and more fun to watch would this team be if we had a Carcillo-Moore-Dorsett 4th line ? Damn !

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:14 pm EST

KIS, Amen man: Malone / Moore / Miller on the 4th

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:10 pm EST

Marc staal is a soft pussy.

KIS


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:09 pm EST

i like the nash hit on the kids head. somebody should do the same thig to cally. somebody need to crack him. MSL not doing shit tonight. glass and Fast are a fucking waste. that 4th line needs an upgrade. I don't know why they dont play jitters instead of fast. Jitters isn't an answer either.too much stick shit with the rangers instead of taking the body.

KIS


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:09 pm EST

How can we be tired?....Give me a break here....Bolts taking the game over......

PJ


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:02 pm EST

Dumbass penalties but Hank not on tonight...Too much Tanner Glass if you ask me.....Callahan can kiss my arse....

PJ


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:00 pm EST

Hip.Remember Nedved and Kovie in Pittsburgh ?

ilya


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:58 pm EST

Don't like the way AV is distributing 3rd/4th line ice time. Why does Glass have more ice time than Hagelin and Duclair? The Hayes line has looked very good this game and yet it seems that line is the 4th line tonight....and it's not justified IMO. Yeah, 4 minutes to Nash messed up the icetime but it's no excuse for Glass getting more icetime IMO

JFC31


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:57 pm EST

Cally is f#cking humiliating us.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:55 pm EST

Hayes line playing well all night. Why AV not playing them more is puzzling!

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:40 pm EST

WOW, Moore vs Boyle on face offs

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:35 pm EST

Why does Bill Pitdo think Ranger Fans want to hear him start his report with "How 'bout those Islanders?" I hate the fact that MSG broadcasts those other two schmucky teams! It's bad enough and then they do those Hockey night live which combines the coverage.

ColoradoMark


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:09 pm EST

Nash move just now reminds me of Bure when faced with impending check. I respect it, but could be suspended

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:02 pm EST

Guess Zucc read Wildcards posts.... Nash with the helper, love it...

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:01 pm EST

IAPPG !!! Just like that!

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:00 pm EST

it's a Power Play goal!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:58 pm EST

WOW, Kreider on Stralman right now

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:58 pm EST

How do Lightning fans boo MSL? That seems crazy to me.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:57 pm EST

The Great GaZucc !

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:56 pm EST

THEY HAVE AWAKENED THE SLEEPING MIDGET

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:55 pm EST

With all the former Rangers on their teams, the Lightning and Blue Jackets really get up for the Rangers. The Rangers treat it like it's just any other game. Maybe someone should tell them.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:50 pm EST

Hank's still getting down for that Stamkos shot.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:48 pm EST

Swing and a miss.... Yzerman's playing tonight?

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:41 pm EST

Wish Malone was in tonights match-up against Yzerman & Co....

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:40 pm EST

Tampa while hot, has lost 4 of their last seven matches.. Prior to that, they won something like 9 in a row.. Let's Go Rangers !!!

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:14 pm EST

Hey York, Ive seen Miller play plenty, including junior & every game as a Ranger. You dont know what youre talking about. Kreider makes tremendous little passes in tight, never seen jt do it once. Ask Vic, he talks about it all the time. And dont pull that drive-by smartass shit with me again unless you wanna throw'em. Happy Fucking Thanksgiving.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:00 pm EST

Makes ya realize the importance of the position and how fortunate we are to have a top No. 1 goalie. Blues have great talent but the unsettled goalie spot has really F'd them ! Gonna be a good one tonight boys. Would love to somehow win the next 3 going into December. Who do we keep on the ice when the captain gets back ? I gotta say if I had the choice it would be Hunwick. LGR !

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 26 2014 6:50 pm EST

M11, my condolences (sincerely) I was thinking that Edmonton would give him a call.....

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 6:19 pm EST

I don't think I could follow the Blues anymore if they signed Brodeur. Yet another unforced error by Armstrong.

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 6:13 pm EST

Rabid I know you aren't a fan of JT but watch the kid play not once a year that kid can pass the puck. He has incredible hands kidK is not at his level as miller is not on kidK level in skating and strength.

York18


Wed Nov 26 2014 6:08 pm EST

Uncle Daddy to practice with the Blues tomorrow. That combo is gonna be boom or bust. Blues just can't figure out their goalie situation. Thank god for Hank !

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 26 2014 5:26 pm EST

One thing about that McI-Reaves fight, pretty lame how Rosen and Dickaletti said nothing during it..Hell, 75% of the broadcast teams would have been going nuts ala Jack Edwards.,,,BTW, maybe not too many people around here remember but in the early 90's, without the Internet (or was there gopher, mailing lists etc??), Ranger fans were similarly drooling over the physical exploits of Cairns in the OHL/AHL and wanted him up in NY so bad...

Hospo


Wed Nov 26 2014 5:17 pm EST

JFC - Thanks again....That REAVES is one tough bastard...I understand not playing McI i on the Rangers this year WHEN everybody's healthy..but I also could see him as a 6th D-man for the Rangers ( or another team) when injuries hit or agasint a physical opponent,,...No reason he couldn't play now and begin the learning process...Maybe he just becomes an ERIC CAIRNS...maybe more...we won't know until he plays a little

Hospo


Wed Nov 26 2014 4:45 pm EST

Hers the McIlrath vs. Reaves fight: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/125319

JFC31


Wed Nov 26 2014 4:41 pm EST

Did everyone get a chance to look at the fight Mess11 posted earlier: Gryba vs. Reaves. Reaves is the same guy that Wrath fought when he was called up....Wrath maybe lost a close decision but got some good shots in and stood toe-to-toe without a problem. Here's a link: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/125935 The reason I post it is because Reaves absolutely manhandled Gryba, tossed him around like a rag doll and pounded him into submission. The fact that AV was annoyed that the fight was "choreographed" is really annoying to me because McIlrath MUST show the NHL goons that he is not to be trifled with....and he has done that both times he has fought NHL tough guys. When a goon like Reaves challenges, it's not culturally acceptable for a guy like Wrath to not dance....and it serves a purpose. AV needs to ENCOURAGE this kid the way he does with Duclair and Hayes. What he can do with his first IS important and the league knowing it is also important. AV should not have made that comment IMO. Look at the Wrath fight with Reaves again and then look at what Reaves did to Gryba....it puts in perspective what a beast this kid can be and how he will be capable of protecting his team mates as well as his presence being a deterrent to the a-hole goons of the league who might want to run our best players.

JFC31


Wed Nov 26 2014 2:18 pm EST

practice on thanksgiving after playing tonight?...... @AGrossRecord AV says Rangers have to be "100 percent sure" before putting McDonagh back in. Thursday practice will go long way in whether he plays Friday

stevielegs


Wed Nov 26 2014 2:12 pm EST

you said it, not me....lol....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 26 2014 1:23 pm EST

and I was too slow....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 1:21 pm EST

Did ya mean AGAINST the RedWings?

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 1:20 pm EST

RF4L - Moi make a mistake?..Never! But seriously, .Just poor wording on my part, I meant his PO series AGAINST the Red Wings as part of the Preds back line.

Hospo


Wed Nov 26 2014 1:14 pm EST

Hospo: KK never played for the Wings - is that a typo or are you thinking of another player??

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 12:22 pm EST

puckyou - I had always liked and wanted KLEIN, alot based on some of his previous PO performances (red Wings) I had watched..Was really happy we got him but a little disappointed most of the year last year...However, starting in last year's POs and the small amount of games I have seen this year, I'm really liking his game as a 2nd-3rd pair (Mostly 3rd) D-man

Hospo


Wed Nov 26 2014 12:19 pm EST

Klein was also apparently invited by a fan to be a prom date and has accepted. So he's really don' it all LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Nov 26 2014 12:13 pm EST

Loving Slats trade of MDZ for Travis Bickle Klein more everyday. Solid defenseman, cap friendly paycheck, sticks up for teammates and leads all Ranger D in goals. Also has Stanley a Cup finals experience, something the porn star stalker may never be able to claim. Not on a par with the Mac for Gomez trade, but pretty darn good.

puckyou


Wed Nov 26 2014 11:47 am EST

So today via Twitter AV says McD will practice tomorrow, and he might be a go for Friday if the docs give him the 100% "go" and he looks good again.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:58 am EST

Wild: Yes, true - your criticism of MZA shocked me because 1) you are so rosy about all things Rangers and 2) I happen to believe you're off the mark on it. I didn't jump in on that discussion because others were making the same arguments I would have.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:55 am EST

Wild: Fair enough - I just hope you're right here. I hate the 2 first round picks for MSL and hate those groups of picks for Ryan Clowe. But I think either would pale in comparison to how much I'd dislike the Rangers never giving McI a fair chance at the NHL level because the coach thinks he cannot cut it, only to watch him find his game on another NHL club (and come into MSG and be a menace). I'd be happy for the kid without a doubt, but so annoyed with the Rangers. Now if he's truly a marginal NHLer and will never be more than a 7th d-man with goon tendencies, then that's another thing altogether (and would make Sather 0 for 3 when it comes to the 3 highest picks he's had as a Ranger GM - Jessibust, Montoya and McI).

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:52 am EST

and this thing that I am positive for all things Rangers is getting old. I have been calling out Zucc and saying if he doesn't improve he needs to be moved and he worth what he is being paid at his current level of play, and that Miller is not as good as I thought it seems, he still isn't as good away from the puck as he needs to be for a center, and he needs to be on wing or moved. Yeah...all things rangers are great! No one cares about those two guys....no no no.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:50 am EST

RF4L: Reports (and he did it in the game this year) are that he can move the puck out of the zone well, and does. He did it twice in that game, calm with the puck, made a good safe pass out of the zone and didn't slow the play down to do it. Also AV is FINE with guys protecting team mates. He said as much after that game. Said he didn't like the side show type fights (dint use those words) and thats what was reported widely, but he also said that MacIlrath had said the guy was running around at the other Rangers so in that case, if he thought thats what was going on than it was OK. He had nothing but good to say about Klein the other night when he went with Prust. Just because AV doesn't like pointless stupid fights doesn't mean he is not OK with that, or doesn't support it when dropping the gloves is called for.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:47 am EST

WIld: I can only hope your internal optimism about all things Rangers is correct here and McI is lacking but that is being worked on and simply requires more playing time at the AHL level to rectify. I don't see him at all in Hartford but from what those who do watch have said, he appears ready to make the next step. If so, given what he brings and the Rangers lack, the opportunity to see if he can keep up has come and gone, at least for now. AV gave him 1 game. Kostagoal got 7. If he's ready for a promotion, those numbers should have been reversed IMO.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:45 am EST

And how do you know, that after a few extra games, they feel that Allen will never be a good option for this year long term to play bigger min. And they want to have 2 guys who can play a little more min at the NHL level, so they want Hunwick there and someone better than Koska. You automatically assume that its MacIlrath that they don't want to keep around, when they could have sent him down to make sure he develops more and they don't care about what happens with Allen. Now I don't believe that either, not from what the team has talked about, but Allen gets less talking about by anyone with the Rangers, they do talk about MacIlrath and about how they see him developing. Also to be fair they said this year will be a big year for him and will tell the story, and may make or break him as a prospect. That doesn't mean he has to be in the NHL, but that means to me he needs to take a step the team can see as improvement. We shall see, but I don't think they have any intent of trading him. I think they keep him around no matter what just in case he develops late. They really like him, liked him at the draft (were rumors they would have moved up if possible to get him) and this group of scouts has been good more than bad...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:42 am EST

Think I'll let you boys have at it for a while. I've seen enough refs take punches to the backs of their heads!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:42 am EST

AV likes a quick team with quick puck transition - I've certainly said that, as most of us have. I don't know how capable/incapable McI is at these seeing as he never gets to play. In the single game AV granted him, did he stand out as one of the best at those? Of course not. But for me anyways, he didn't do the opposite, either. This kid was drafted 10th overall, leaving other more safe picks in his wake, for his physical presence both as a hitter and a crease clearer. He was also picked for his eagerness to stand up for his teammates and willingness to take on all comers. These characteristics are all lacking on the Rangers and have so since AV came aboard. Therefore, it seems obvious to me that McI has no place on an AV roster. If that's correct, trade the kid. For his sake if nothing else. Now if I'm wrong and it's because McI cannot play in AV's system so be it. That still points to the same thing for me: Trade him.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:39 am EST

RF4L: SO I can't say what I say based on what I see and hear...but based on stuff like giving guys PTOs in Hartford you can KNOW how the rangers see a young Dman....Kotagoal as you call him plays the other side I thought. And Allen was kept AS I SAID due to the style of player that was out and the Style of D that was back in. Klein came back, he and MacIlrath play similar games, Klein not as nasty, but D first and a stay at home style. I am using what AV and the team have said about the guy, using what AV has said about the D, and you are using well, your opinion on what it means when the team makes moves with other players. Come on now. Also once again, this is basically his second season of games in the AHL. His first year was wrecked, he next year was shortened, he has missed time and injuries set back development. he is also a Dman, who is BIG and those both take more time. Its amazing that you don't get that the Rangers are likely looking at these vets to see if they can get a guy better than Koska who is a vet. The kids are just that, Kids...they are developing at a hard position.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:34 am EST

RF4L: You have always talked about how AV like good skating puck moving D and that MacIlrath isn't a good skater. You said that a number of times. Unless I am really mistaken, I imagine other remember that as well. Someone other than RF4L please let me know....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:32 am EST

Rabid: Exactly. And AV has ALWAYS been VERY carful about how he says it "not exposing" young players. He doesn't want to put them in positions to fail. Dmen are ALWAYS in that position during a game, so IMHO that is why AV takes so long to bring young D into the fold. Look at Moore, called him a young Dman all the time last year. He acted like he protected him. Just this year he finally used him regularly against more top guys, partly due to the injuries, but also I think he is finally feeling like he has arrived at that point of his career he can handle that and not be effected by failing a little. The Young D that we see still in Hartford will probably get similar treatment, they will eventually make the team, and than they will be sheltered for quite a while before used fully.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:32 am EST

BTW, where did you get that I said McI's skating is inferior? Or are you too busy making up shite that you lose track of what you're saying?

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:29 am EST

Wild: How the hell do you know? I know you're a Sather stroker, perhaps one of the worse on here, but you post like you share pillow talk with him and have all the inside info. Guess what? You don't. I am basing my opinions on what I see, which is McI farmed out once again and playing 1 game when 3 regular d-men were out. Rather than play McI more than 1 game, the coach elected to go with Kostagoal and Allen over him. Then the Rangers looked at Karable and now Tallinder. This kid is waaaaaaaaaaaay down on the Rangers' depth chart now. I say trade him before the market (assuming there is one) dries up completely.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:07 am EST

To be fair, team comes first & whatever AV & Co. had to do to get us past a brutal rash of injuries to the D corps without really putting the team in a bad position, they did it. Hunwick especially imo saved our ass.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Nov 26 2014 10:03 am EST

and whats with the languishing in the minors? Seriously? How many young Dmen (yes even first rounders) play 2 or more years in the AHL...especially big defenders. OR how many SHOULD, like those guys who struggle like hell for 3-4 years at the NHL level, and would have been better off in the AHL? Also, MacIlrath is in his 3rd season, but he has had bad luck with injuries. His first 2 seasons only added up to 107 games. He is developing...and developing well from ALL reports. Lets see where he is later this year and in camp next year. Unless a VERY good deal comes around he is staying. They have none like him in the system, and there are not guys like him out there to get.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:58 am EST

RF4L: AV is who i heard say his skating isn't an issue, it was positioning, and thats normal for a young Dman. You have this illusion about AV and this made up idea about MacIlrath and his skating. McL moves the puck well, not his top thing but he is good at it, simple passes to clear the zone, safe passes off the boards. He skates more than good enough to keep pace at the top level, and added to his positional play is not beat by anyone anymore than other D. You have been stuck on the same thing when it comes to the kid, and it has never been correct.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:56 am EST

Rabid: It was "anyone but the kids" when it came to the D. Allen stayed ONLY because puck movers were out, MacIlrath is not a puck mover, he is a defensive Dman...when Klein came back they sent him down, same style of D for the most part. As soon as a D came back Allen was sent down as well. D take MUCH longer to develop, BOTH MIGHT MIGHT be ready for next season or later this season they may be better for the NHL.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:54 am EST

I don't think McI is going to be a Ranger as long as AV is the coach. If that's correct, it's time to consider trading the kid before he's got zero value for both his sake and for the organization's. Tenth overall selection and he's languishing in the minors.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:51 am EST

Based off what Ive seen of the player, if Im a betting man I wager McIlrath becones a valuable part of an NHL team at some point. There's a kid I think badly wants to be in the league & make an impact. But based on what Ive seen of the NYR, who lost almost their full D and employed a gameplan that can only be described as "anyone but McIlrath", id have to conclude that NHL team wont be us. A big reason beyond adding Boyle to that right side is Klein, who has been terrific, scoring, fighting, playing solid D.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:34 am EST

Unless I responded incorrectly, McL is MacIlrath....but maybe I am wrong and responded with something that was way out in left field....wouldn't be the first time....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:32 am EST

Rhet: AV said yesterday he would NOT play tonight, and probably not this weekend, kept saying he is on track for a return next week like they had thought. If AV has been anything he has been honest about this. He said McD would start skating on his own soon, 2 days later he was. Said he might skate with the team in Tampa, and he did. Says next week...I bet he will be in Monday...Oh well, that would be against TBL....but if they play well the next 3 they give him Monday off and let him rest and practice all the way to the next game on Saturday after that.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:31 am EST

Who is McL?

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:28 am EST

RF4L: I think the Rangers are interested in keeping McL...and of course many teams would be interested in him. He is a monster, and not a bad skater (not a great skater I know but good enough) and he makes smart safe plays. There are few defenders like him at his age. Most young D have tried their entire lives to be Bobby Orr, thats great and all, but the Rangers could use a nasty rear guard who isn't a risk when he is not he ice.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 26 2014 9:25 am EST

Marty with the chance to get to 1,000 points tonight against his former team. I think it's safe to say that he''ll be doubly inspired. McDonagh is reportedly "really close" to a return. Hopefully, it's against the lightning.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:45 am EST

BTW Oilers lost again and the rumour mill is cranked up to overdrive. Watched the highlights and saw Taylor Hall take a knee and it was RNH who went after the Stars' perpetrator. RNH? Bet they'd be interested in McI.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 8:11 am EST

Tyler Seguin with 2 goals, giving him 16 on the season. Geesh, sure glad he's not a Bruin.

RF4L


Wed Nov 26 2014 7:30 am EST

Sounds like AAs name in mix for Perron.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Nov 26 2014 4:30 am EST

off-topic wall

Hospo


Wed Nov 26 2014 1:28 am EST

Reaves annihilates Gryba earlier tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jzPnsqJnBY Blues also lost Elliot to injury

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 1:14 am EST

JD swooping in to re-acqure Perron: http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-blue-jackets-working-diligently-to-make-a-trade-happen-1.144628

Messier11


Wed Nov 26 2014 12:18 am EST

topical wall

mf


Wed Nov 26 2014 12:10 am EST

off-topic wall

Messier11


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:57 pm EST

Somehow I knew people were talking about bad typing, poor grammar, the Wizard of Schnoz and Blowzo the clown..

Hospo


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:48 pm EST

S/B there, not their, nor they're

mf


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:46 pm EST

The once was a Hoarse Horse.

mf


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:44 pm EST

So Big McIlrath is the only one with his skillset? That goes for Maolone too! (jmo) ..... Snoot Frog (move over (Snoop Dog) just doesn't seem to care.. Froggy don't wanna give an inch to incorporate some very available resources into the game plan.... I'm talking the 3M Corp. as in McIlrath / Malone / Miller..... Ribbit Rabbit ! :-)

mf


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:38 pm EST

Waresdaschpelczeck?

mf


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:37 pm EST

97 was still Smith and Campbell.

Messier11


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:31 pm EST

99. 97-98-99, somewhere in there. Then came the big turnaround with Sather & Ron Low.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:26 pm EST

Oh man, I remember going horse chanting 'FIRE MUCKLER!' along with (seemingly) the rest of MSG at many a game back in..what was it '99 or 2000?

NYStranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:12 pm EST

Sometimes Im too lazy to hit the sub menu to go get apostrophes, I must confess.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:03 pm EST

It's = It is. So go and re-read that with 'it is'....maybe there should be grammer police police. ;-)

NYStranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:49 pm EST

"showed up miserable." Speakin of Ole Muck, anybody catch Malhotra's porn stache the other night? Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:46 pm EST

THE Brashear? Boy, gotta figure we wouldve been better under Pat Quinn than old gogglypuss. Or anybody but Muckler. That dude showed miserable. I always liked Quinn though I knew little about him. He always looked like THE canadian hockey player to me.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:41 pm EST

mf: Your use of its should have been it's....

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:35 pm EST

Brashear signs with MODO. My first thought is, 'WHY?! What did Sweden ever do to Brashear?

Messier11


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:32 pm EST

Kreider's passing is underrated by York if he thinks JT is 10X the passer he is. TD too. Gimme a break. MF, youre a peculiar cat. U an english teacher or sumptin'?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:28 pm EST

Kreider is the most under-rated passer on the team? Under-rated by who??

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:19 pm EST

What are the chances of finding 4 tickets for the upcoming NYR-PHL game at MSG? probably zilch eh?

schneidw


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:17 pm EST

Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

mf


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:07 pm EST

Nash on pace for 57 goal, 28 A season. But only time he cooled off was when Step returned and he moved to LW. His goal against MTL mightve been his first since he shifted for MSL so they could team with Stepan. I could be wrong so correct me plz. Just sayin. He's do much better on the right.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 7:06 pm EST

hospo if first rounders' don't have talent, the gm who drafted them should be canned ...if they don't make the nhl it's on both of them.....but more on the player.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 7:02 pm EST

Hospo Im not saying anything on McIlrath. No choice but to accept what was a pretty damning assessment by the club. And usually I could give a shit what most writers say, but just before I guess Moore got suspended & Klein hurt and we were down to like 2 regular dmen, some of the writers, normally reserved, blurted out things about MCI never making it , as if someone was talking. We talked about it here; I didnt see anything so awful in his game, but man how far down the depth chart is he?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:48 pm EST

STEVIE - TDCHI and I have always agreed on MIller's talent, where we disagreed was on his readiness for the NHL..I still haven't seen it....no problem..still a kid.......RABID - We WANT MCI to be special and to have that special tool set, but he just hasn't shown to have a toolbox ready for the NHL YET...I Hope you are correct that he eventually does..we could use it.........MILLER and MCI becoming solid NHLERs will give this team so much more depth .Personally, I think both will become NHLers but not sure of their ceiling although I can see JT/Jitters/Jesus in Training...reaching higher levels..

Hospo


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:21 pm EST

td you have been the muenster jitters trumpet blower and bus driver. all of a sudden today, the nyr rushed him, he should have stayed in college. sounds a little cheesy to me....I don't think veenyo likes him......nor does big mac fit for him.....shit happens as Forrest Gump said.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:20 pm EST

Difference there TD is we can afford to have Miller go belly up, we've got forward depth. MCI was a special. We have no one close to his skill set. Not at all happy about what appears to be the case. 4 of 6 D went down and he got one game. One. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:15 pm EST

York that is absurd. Kreider is the most underated passer on the team. And I dont really believe Miller is a bust; IDK WTH he is. Nor does AV. But for sure the more TD insists on talking about the non- Ranger, the more I'll say it!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:11 pm EST

RR - See, that's the part you don't get. If I'm right, WE as Ranger fans win. If you're right, WE lose. So have it whatever way you want. Irregardless, I feel very comfortable in my assessment of the kid and like I said, you and slegs can bait all ya' want. I'm not biting. I'll just correct you guys where you're talking smack with nothing to back it up...I mean, I find it hilarious that you guys focus in on this kid. You particularly like pointing out 'how many chances he's blown'...and yet silence on McILRATH...mind you, he's another I feel will have an NHL future...and defended him too when people were calling him a bust...but if you're looking at a guy who probably won't ever live up to his draft position, he's your man.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:07 pm EST

I don't think miller is a bust way too early for that. I honestly think he will be an NHL player the question is what position and in what role. While I don't share TDs enthusiasm I believe he will no doubt be a bottom six player who can be moved up to the second line when hot.....RF Kreider has always had questionable hockey sense when he was drafted I stated it and said it again last year as well. The kids got speed for days but he's not always very smart with the puck and sometimes without it.....TD miller is 10xs the playmaker that kreids is no argument there

York18


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:58 pm EST

TDCHI - Actually, there are quite a few here that do, it just doesn't happen to agree with your assessment! ..:)...But only time will tell who is right and all that matters is consistency and honesty in one's opinions..which most have around here...BTW, I truly hope you are dead on correct about MILLER!

Hospo


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:48 pm EST

Yeah Stevie, go read it again, cause once isnt enough. I can see now JT's first two point night - one good night -& TD would remind of his crystal ball abilities. Tdchi if it ever happens in a NYR uni, you go boy. Whip it out like Big Joe Thorton!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:41 pm EST

stevielegs - I've given an honest assessment of the kid simply because there are a few here who don't. You go back and read what I've wrote about the kid and I'm not calling him a future hall of famer...I'm saying he's got talent and by no means is a bust. I've predicted he's going to eventually be a top-line player and will do it with the Rangers. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong...And I get it. You and RR like pushing my buttons...and that's cool. Not going to get in a flame war with either of you...just going to point out my observations about him, having watched him play at both levels. Don't like them? Change the channel.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:41 pm EST

AV says McD back within week, was best player on ice at practice. Wonder if Moore or Hunwick comes out. Hunwick's been good.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:32 pm EST

moof what can sather get for kid k? and if you throw muenster jitters in?....2 way , 3 way, 6 way.....make your day........trade away.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:32 pm EST

Ah-ha! I did see the Armstrong thing here. As I said, sny cant-cut-it bust is sufficent shorthand. RF, but I did say no. 20 was making sone questionable decisions physically. Idk, I see mistakes elsewhere in his game sometimes, like all players. With some puck luck he could be having a big start. Pretty sure though those 3-4 shifts against MTL were his best as a pro imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:21 pm EST

RR: If you don't think Kreider shows some questionable hockey decisions on the ice then we can agree to disagree. I see it quite frequently.

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:15 pm EST

td any more things muenster jitters woulda shoulda coulda done, and the nyr?......are you trying to be his agent for his next contract. you are giving wildcard a run for his postings of look at the bright side bunky, except you have more reasons and excuses for a guy you claim is ready , not ready, maybe ready ...monster when angry, if he gets angry....now I'm really confused......maybe he's the next Crosby if certain things would have happened, and if others do, like a blue moon and solar eclipse with a rainbow in the sky with diamonds....defend him away......

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:14 pm EST

York - I was speaking more in terms of their development hiccups, which, coincidentally enough corresponded with their respective ages...two very talented players who stalled at the NHL level at 21...one has apparently moved over his issues...the other remains to be seen...the difference being, Kreider was playing at a level where he belonged and with consistency for three years. Miller spent the last two years bouncing from wing to center between New York and Hartford...no doubt, Mills doesn't have nearly the jump or lower body strength Kreids has, and that's a major part of the latter's game...Think Miller has softer hands though and is a better playmaker than Kreider. The kid can thread the needle. Kid K, you give him the puck and let the horse out of the gate.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:05 pm EST

Kreider also speaks 5 languages while Miller mumbles english.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 4:47 pm EST

ARMSTRONG I was the one that brought army up not as a comparison but to show a guy who was a top line ahl player who scored but couldn't duplicate the same success. I also mentioned shooter as well I'm not comparing players only situations. I think the reason you can't compare miller and kidK is two things one skating that guy is on another level to most of the league and miller is not at his level and strength that guy is a beast his leg strength is sick.

York18


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:45 pm EST

Was kidding of course. Only one McD. If it was that easy pretty sure most teams would give up a full slate of picks for one. I do worry about that shoulder though, and wonder what kind of player we're going to have going forward. Thats a bad injury for a defenseman.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:30 pm EST

Rabid at first I was like WTF! Than I read on...yeah sure...make that trade...you can go get another 2 McD's with that much coming in return LOL

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:25 pm EST

td: Does junior hockey have any school requirements? Like do you have to go to school beyond high school? Because how many 18-19 year old kids would choose just playing hockey vs playing hockey and having a full college schedule? I mean of course some would choose school, but I know that I dont like school that much,and if I thought I was good enough I might avoid that thinking I could go back in the offseason later in life if I wanted...I wonder in a honest moment i he would say something along those lines.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:22 pm EST

2 straight shutouts, our D is fine lol. isles can have McD & his cranky shoulder. All Id want is Okposo, JHS, and their no. 1-2-3 picks. And some cash, cause, why not ask?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:18 pm EST

Actually, there's a lot to be compared between MILLER and KREIDER...both USNTDP products...both big, strong forwards...both extremely talented...both drafted as "projects"...both struggled early on...the difference between the two is that Kreider is a year older and took the development path Miller SHOULD have taken, which was the NCAA...I don't know why he bailed on North Dakota, but that was really where he should have played...versus more physically mature guys...He should have done what Kreider did, not jumped into the OHL.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:16 pm EST

td: yeah he had that really good run that one year...its been a while...and I know that isn't all his fault, but at the same time, he has slumps, and thats OK if the rest of the team can step up. The Habs could do that that year, the blues with him in net could overcome a poor game by him. The islanders I think can not. SO while he isn't really a problem I guess and much as he isn't a guy who carries the team every game, the team needs to carry him from time to time, like most guys in net, always will, always have. The bigger concern is they don't really have a top Dman, they don't have a McD...in fact I think they would jump at all 4 of the Rangers top 4. Most teams would though....why wouldn't you....they are all good players, even if you liked your top 4 you would take a Ranger top 4 and at least put him on the bottom pair...but the Islanders would be able to replace their top pair with the Rangers, and no one would think it was a bad move. Thats what they really need. A guy like McD, with that they could go deeper...I wonder if they make it out of the first round...could be against the Rangers....and I don't know if they can get 4 of 7 against the Rangers...not with the experience factor and the back end/net factor.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 3:06 pm EST

Wildcard - HALAK is a proven playoff performer...he had an incredible post season with Montreal a few years back...and that's why I really didn't get why St. Louis shipped him away...of course, they also pissed away Ben BISHOP...Anywho...The Isles are a young team. No doubt they make the playoffs this year...how deep will they go? maybe second round...I can't see them getting by the top tier of teams...and if they lose a guy like BOYCHUK for any extended time, that team folds like a bad hand of cards.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 2:03 pm EST

For instance...Chad Johnson has a .876 save %, but is 5 and 2...will he really play 31 games and end up 20 and 8 with that kind of save %? Probably not. Halal is very good at times, and is good for most of the time, but can get beat, and beat bad for a stretch...can he handle the pressure of starting the playoff run against teams that are better all around and fighting for either spots or positions? And the D is a lot of puck movers, helps now, but what about when the game bogs down? Will they be able to handle that? And the older guys on the back end, can they handle it still. Visnovsky(sp) has been showing his age for a couple years and is 3rd for D ice time. Will he be there as good game 65-70 and into the post season? I don't see it...not yet...they are few players off, and a little experience off as well.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 1:54 pm EST

Rabid: IMHO they are fine up front...not great but OK. Its the back end they are still a little weak on, not as bad and that is why they are winning...and in net they are not the strongest. They need to play perfect to win, and other teams are not pressing as much yet, I think the cracks on the back end and in net show a little more after the halfway mark. We shall see though.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 1:26 pm EST

What you have to worry about with Isles at this stage is them adding an impact that makes them a two-line threat & takes them to that next level. Theyve been after E Kane & have the pieces to make it happen.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 1:20 pm EST

Ola: Agree on the Islanders. I said it the other day, they are better, and close, I think very close to being a very good team that can compete in the post season. However, I think this year at least as the season goes and teams turn it up, they will not be able to bring it to the next level. Every year there are a few teams like that. The Rangers were that team for a few seasons. They would look great for a big part of the season, than tail off and in the playoffs they were beat rather easily it seemed. Like you know after a couple games they were not a cup team. Than things got better and they were a threat even in losing. The islanders are a team IMHO that will slow down some, maybe still make the playoffs, and if so get beat early. Its not bad for them, and its good for the NHL to have them be better but they have holes, and I just don't see them as being good enough to really go far at all. Not yet.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 1:16 pm EST

McD on the ice with the team...and interesting to me, he is in a regular jersey NOT a non-contact one. I would have thought at least a practice or two with the yellow jersey before he was cleared...but Oh well...that must mean he is doing well.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:53 am EST

Rabid- On the Islanders, we will see, but there are still plenty of holes on that roster. I think they have real good speed and some interesting depth to their line-up, but we will see how well it holds up over the course of the season. T

Ola


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:31 am EST

RF4L/PJ- Completely unequivocally agree that Marc Staal needs to be resigned asap; He is a core player, probably should have be wearing the "C" despite McD being a better overall player, Staal is a rock steady leader...

schneidw


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:30 am EST

Also TD, I don't borrow opinions. In case you haven't noticed, forming opinions isn't a problem for me ;) the Armstrong thing I must've seen on another board and though it was here. Sue me. But don't make believe you don't understand the point, which you finally expanded on today. Yeah, its a guy who does it there but not here. Enough of JT Miller already! He's not on the team! No matter how hard they tried to give him a spot. RF, Stepan is a kid who came in at what, 19? He doesn't look ruined to me. The Sather stroker line doesn't really work, and Idk how long we can call them cronies when they took us to the SCFs (albeit after a thousand years). Also, did you see the Mtl game? Cause Kreider showed some damn fine hockey sense I'd say; they were all buzzing with serious speed and precision passing. Don't buy into TD's Jt-Kreider comparisons. Only one is a Ranger.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:15 am EST

Isles are for real, BTW. Miles better on D. Interesting team to watch, they have a bit of everything going right now. Heard they have a good young sniper coming too ;)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 11:13 am EST

I agree Kreider has toned down has physical game a bit, and it is concerning. Maybe. I remember thinking a few years ago it could easily become a problem, him wrecking everything he hits and refs nailing him and him becoming, not confused, but tentative until he settles in a proper groove. He's made a few questionable decisions too. BUT, against Montreal the other night was probably the most impressive shift I've seen him take. He was just everywhere, ripped off 3-4 high quality shots, really dominate just thru skating & playmaking. that said, the little black thing didn't find its way into the back of the net. TD, I have neither the time nor desire to play in JT MillerLand today. You tried to downplay Kreider's rookie playoffs, and he was on the verge of becoming a phenom in that post season, no matter what you say. But I said Kreider scored more than JT has his whole career. Well, Kreider had 7 pts that post- season, Miller has 10 points lifetime. So I was pretty close, especially 430am with a belly full of beer ha! And we won't get in to what you really said about Kreider, and I do make it a point to drag my ass to Hartford 1-2 a year, even though its a hike. its also no longer relevant to JT what he does there, it doesn't matter if he has a Gordie Howe trick every night in the AHL. What will he do his next chance on NHL ice? That's the question. And as educated guesses go, you really want to go see a doctor who's wrong all the time? He's educated. Went to school a long time. You go in to have your tonsils removed and he severs your balls off. U happy?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:43 am EST

RF...I hope the Isles are a house of cards but not so sure this time...They actually are playing some D and getting good goaltending....They are going to be a pain in the arse....

PJ


Tue Nov 25 2014 10:10 am EST

RF the cap is part of the problem. but many here want picks, and for them to be instant stars. otherwise they are busts...and they want them to play 20 minutes in the nhl. they should be playing 2 years in the ahl unless they are all stars there. and can do similar in the nhl, otherwise they can stay in the ahl, go back there, or get traded......

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:59 am EST

RF4L - re: KREIDER....actually, I think he and MILLER are similar in two respects, first that they have an immense amount of talent and second, that they're most effective when they're playing with sandpaper...some of the stagnation of Kreider is experiencing now is that he's dialed down his game a bit. Not sure if that's by design or if it's personal...but when Kreeds plays with an edge, he's most effective...when he stops hitting, that's when he starts getting listless. Still early in the season. I think we'll see him catch fire soon.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:59 am EST

stevie: Of course, that's possible. It's not a science as surely you know. It's more about thinking things through and looking at what's worked in the past and what hasn't. For the Rangers, other than possibly Stepan (who was 20 at the time, not a teenager), every kid they've turned pro early has struggled/hasn't met expectations. Every single one. Sure you can blame all of them and refuse to lay any blame at the feet of Sather (and his management cronies) for these inexplicable decisions, but I think that's just being a Sather stroker. And even if that's the case, what on earth is the hurry? None of these kids are good enough/mature enough to make a difference for the team overall.

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:46 am EST

RF4L - Agree mostly, disagree partly. I think MILLER was done with the OHL when he came to camp in 2012. The reason I say so is that he had the size and strength of a professional player...I remember watching him toss bodies around during the WJC that year and then just the way he could shield the puck...I just think he needed a place to grow...where I totally agree in hindsight, the Rangers should have left him in Hartford that whole season and really, most of the next...I think you're right: They either stunted or plateaued his growth bouncing him between the leagues...kid is still so young and now has a good amount of professional experience under his belt, so I'm not too worried...but I think the difference here is the Rangers could have had him full-time in the NHL had they not rushed him along his first two years.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:39 am EST

rf could it be the players have proven sather wrong?

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:30 am EST

TD: What's interesting about Kreider is that he's still finding his game. It seems to me this year he's had as many off games as on games (which can be forgiven to a certain extent because that describes a lot of Rangers this season so far). What bothers me a little about him this year is his decision making - at the risk of inciting a flame war in here (directed at me), sometimes I watch and wonder about his hockey sense. For sure the raw skill set is there, especially physically, but where is the hockey sense? If he manages to find it (and like Miller, it's still early in his career - this is only his 2nd full NHL season), he will be something else. Patience is a virtue when it comes to nurturing kids.

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:26 am EST

Agreed it's way too early to call Muenster Miller a bust. The kid won't be 22 until March of next year and I maintain part of his problem is mishandling by the Rangers because they promoted him to pro too quickly and since then have been moving him up and down from the AHL to the NHL like a yo-yo. Let the kid master a competitive level first for crying out loud, something he's not done since he was drafted 3 and 1/2 years ago. TD: I know you disagree on that point but it's tough to argue the results. He really hasn't shown anything beyond a game here and a few shifts there at the NHL level yet and I think in part his head and confidence are scrambled because he hasn't been able to get his feet firmly entrenched anywhere yet. Even prior to being drafted, he bounced around, playing just 29 games between 2 teams when he was 17 and just 21 games in his draft year. As a junior, he was a point a game player, which is good, but IMO if he's projected to be a top 6 NHL forward, that's not cutting it. It would have been interesting to see how he'd have done as a 19 year old (and a 2nd year player) in junior - 100 points maybe? That's how top 6 NHL forwards often fare as they mature in junior. This is why keeping Duclair up bugs me so much - history has proven Sather wrong more often than not on this subject IMO.

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:24 am EST

he's more of a bust than a monster. muenster and a 3rd liner sounds more like it, someday.....can't wait to be wrong.....when will he stick in the nhl with the nyr?.....that bus you're driving right is only going back and forth.. to Hartford ..will it be a double decker ?.....muster or must of....?....or mustard....?....mean mr mustard?.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:22 am EST

And one other RR: Kreider's 'sensational' playoffs...five goals...two helpers...18 games. Great for a rookie straight from winning an NCAA championship. A national story? Puhlease. Now I know your instinct is to just swing this into name-calling because you think for some strange reason I don't like Kreider or had written him off...so not the case...what I was saying about Kreider was essentially that he needed to pull his head from his ass...and ironically, that's what some of the more rational-minded fans are saying about MILLER too...I can't say I disagree. JT has to find his game and if he doesn't, then indeed, he'll be moved out of the organization...my issue with you is that you make these sweeping assessments about players(Kreider is god, Miller is a bust) without having watched them for more than a handful of games. In both cases, I bring an opinion here of these players having seen them skate at both the AHL and NHL levels...you can disagree with it, but it's at least an educated opinion.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 9:08 am EST

RR - First of all, no one compared MILLER to ARMSTRONG in the past month...but yet you posted that comparison...and then agreed with it...so don't back-track now...yes, I get what you're saying...that Armstrong never really translated his scoring prowess to the NHL...but you're just wrong on so many levels! I don't care if you're borrowing someone else's opinion...it doesn't make it any less wrong...Miller has always been a top-ranked player and still is....if you're calling the ball and saying Miller won't amount to anything in the NHL...well, there's still a HUGE difference between him and Armstrong, since the latter was a lifer in the AHL who had a very low ceiling. The fact that Armstrong made the NHL and had a decent career was a tribute to how hard he worked as a player...If JT Miller can't muster an NHL career, then he's a total bust. There are expectations this kid will be an NHLer. He wasn't drafted at 15th overall to ride the bus in Hartford...now I think it's myopic to say say he's a bust at this point in his career...but if you and stevielegs want to hold hands on that bus, be my guest.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 8:56 am EST

stevielegs - So you think he's a bust? You want to put your name to that? Be my guest.

tdchi


Tue Nov 25 2014 8:38 am EST

If Miller could fetch a first round pick he'd be playing for the NYR big club and all this conversation would be moot.

RF73


Tue Nov 25 2014 8:17 am EST

Anyone on here think that the Islanders are a house of cards?

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 8:16 am EST

scheidw: Methinks you're being a tad harsh with Staal. Yeah, he's had a few stinkers this year, but who hasn't? If/when he goes, he's gonna leave a big hole back there I suspect. My biggest concern is that he'll sign elsewhere in the off-season, meaning the Rangers will get nothing for him. That would be worse than not resigning him IMO.

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 8:14 am EST

Would Muenster Miller fetch a first round pick? If so, I'd seriously consider moving him.

RF4L


Tue Nov 25 2014 7:33 am EST

td the funny thing is that jt jitters can be a monster. When he gets angry..... when, for Halloween? ....who is he, the hulk?..can he turn green ? ...he sounds like he can do everything, in your mind.....that sather sure knows how to draft them and have a dynasty......so far the nyr are playing hayes, duclair, fast and others before him......the nyr must be extremely deep......they needed a top center, so msl volunteered.....did you mean muenster ?.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 25 2014 6:14 am EST

Rabid- Agreed, anything can happen and its possible that something gotta give. I do feel that letting Zucc go might be a bad option. I think we currently are looking at a 75m figure to bring everyone back. I think the cap is landing at at least 72.5m per next season. If Slats can squezz a couple of guys or if a few players underpeform, everyone could get in. If not, I think you have to settle the top 3 lines and top 2 D pairings first -- and we could effectively save 2m per on Kevin Klein (who is playing real well right now) and get assets in return for him if necessary. Letting Zucc walk comes pretty far down on my list. He is only 26-27 y/o, It would certainly be great for us to be able to keep him for another 4-5 years, otherwise we could have a big hole when MSL retires.

Ola


Tue Nov 25 2014 5:32 am EST

Wild, imo MSL gets voted off the island, but a lot can change between now & then, including my position, for whats its worth (which is a big fat zero) on St Louis. Very likeable guy & a blast to watch when hes on. TD, that one little playoff you begrudgingly attribute to Kreider? The one where he was becoming a national story cause he was so sensational? Im pretty sure he scored more in that one post season against NHLers than JT Miller has in his 52 trial runs with the team, combined. Theres no end to your b.s. sometimes.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 4:49 am EST

Tallinder played 18 mins a night for Buffalo last year, 60+ games. Nothing wrong with depth. He was in camp with Toronto but hurt his shoulder. I barely remember him but over 600 nhl games, just reading up on it, he played in front of Hank in two olympics, and we never replaced Kampler, who we dealt to make room for Duclair on the 50.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Nov 25 2014 2:50 am EST

Messier11- We have Moore and Hunwick and I have no problems with them. No need whatsoever to look at Tallinder. BUT, just hypothetically IF we didn't have those two, I think Tallinder would be perfect in AVs system. Great man-man D who would fit perfectly well in a No 6 role AND who makes a good first pass and is somewhat poised with the puck... Can play a bit RD too.

Ola


Tue Nov 25 2014 2:47 am EST

York- I don't know where Tallinder is shape wise, but he is a good player. Good defensively and infront of the net, and he makes a very good first pass. I have NO IDEA what we wanna do with him, he is a LD and we have four of them already. But he can play and should have a job somewhere else at least but nobody is looking for LDs. The Swedish coach picked him above Vic Hedman, Enstrom, Brodin, Lindholm and a few others some 10 months ago for the OGs. Sure that was questionable but he can play.

Ola


Tue Nov 25 2014 12:50 am EST

Schneidw....Agree on all points...Hunwick is playing much better than Moore...Sick of Moore has all the tools talk....He is lousy defensively and does nothing with these purported offensive skills....Brassard keeps getting better....I am happy with Staal and we need to sign him....

PJ


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:08 pm EST

Idk whats goin on in here today. Two straight SOs against good teams, an almost perfect game for the offense, and people are ditching Zuc and signing St Louis till he's 50. Nope. MSL is way more a rent-a-Ranger to me than Zuc, who is a core frickin member that I bring back at all costs.Fedotenko? One of the least imaginative offensive players Ive ever seen. Thank God him & the alien headed coach who brought him in are elsewhere.CM, I read all your posts and we agree on much more than not. Richards is a divide we cant bridge but it happens. Itd be pretty dull here if everyone agreed on everything. TD, 3rd time, I didnt compare Miller to Armstrong. Someone else did. Brad Smythe isnt a bad one either. Basically anyone who could perform in the A but cant in the show is sufficient shorthand right now. I fid mention JT & Dubi, because he should play like him on his worst days. Some of the other jibberish about Torts 'perfect' handling of Kreider and how it was viewed upstairs is so off-base I need a few belts in order to respond to. Ill be back.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:51 pm EST

John Moore: 24 years old, can skate like the wind compared to other defensemen. Can play with an edge, just ask Dale Weiss & Erik Haula.. Has good offensive instincts.. If he finds himself or we find him as the 7th Dman, me thinks that things are reeeaaaallll goooooood in Rangerland... No way do I want to trade this kid.. My current wish is that McIlrath plays as well as Hunwick is, but as the 4th RHS Dman in the event of another injury to a RHS defensemen... (if that aint a run on sentence, IDK WTF is) http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=736743 .... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7439

mf


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:38 pm EST

A few randoms to add: 1) Pouliot is out indefinately with a broken foot...2) Fedotenko is built like a brick shit-house. Few are as strong as that guy.. He was a legitimate 3rd liner who could win along the boards, could play Torts style defense, and knew the offensive side of the play, Glass? jury's out on that one.... 3) JT Miller: for the life of me I can't understand not bringing him up for another taste as 4th line LW. We could rotate Glass/Fast/Miller... 4) Zuccarello: The only thing this guy won't give you is more height & weight... The dude see's the ice like few in the league do. Leaves it out there game after game similar to Callahan.. HE CAN EXECUTE, and he makes his line-mates better. 3-5 years at $4-$5mill per, no problem here.. Think Dubinsky is in this kids league? 5) MSL: I'd like to offer him 1 year at a time, just like Jagr.. I think we did MSL a big favor last year by helping him get closer to his home. It may have saved his marriage, I DONT KNOW for sure... He doesn't need the extra million, and he's got to be aware that the NYR management has only so many dollars to staff a competitor....

mf


Mon Nov 24 2014 9:12 pm EST

Do you WALLSTER Agree?? I just finished watching the PHL-NYR game.. a few observations since I don't get to see many games w/o Center Ice... (1) Hunwick-Klein is a solid pairing and J Moore #17 looks like the 7th defenseman when McDonough returns, (2) Brassard was a great signing and worth every penny, (3) Glass reminds me of Fedetenko in many ways and I think will be valuable come playoff time (4) Duclair needs to go to JRs and get big minutes, and (5) hard for me to say this, but Staal needs to elevate his game.. I hope Sather signs him soon similar to last year with Lundquvist and he reverts back to a dominate player he was in last years playoff.... THOUGHTS?? Do you'all agree with this assessment??

schneidw


Mon Nov 24 2014 8:57 pm EST

Seriously- aren't there dozens of available defensemen, better than Tallinder?

Messier11


Mon Nov 24 2014 7:46 pm EST

York - again, can't disagree there. Funny thing is, the kid is strong and when he plays a big game, he can be a monster. Very tough to contain him when he gets angry, IMO. From what I've seen of him in Hartford, I don't think he's shying away from contact...but he's playing more of a finesse game that I'd like...someone needs to put the same bur up his ass that they did with KREIDER last year...that kid went from being a gentle giant to manimal over the course of the summer.

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 6:43 pm EST

Where to Columbus ?

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 6:16 pm EST

TD I believe Miller needs to follow Dubinsky because he played physical and when he did he mattered. Miller relies on his talent and he needs to grind it out and throw the body because if he's not scoring and not doing that at the NHL level he is rather useless as is other players. I like Miller always have but talent only takes you so far.

York18


Mon Nov 24 2014 5:35 pm EST

York - No disagreement there. My whole point is that it's ridiculous to call a player like him a bust when it's quite clear he has talent...certainly guys like ARMSTRONG and Shooter had difficulty transferring their talents from the AHL to the NHL...as you correctly point out, Armstrong actually did eke out a nice niche for himself in the NHL...Not even sure if it was fourth line, TBH...but the disparity between those guys and MILLER is large...those were two guys who weren't very highly regarded...Armstrong a sixth-round pick...Shooter was undrafted...Both were ID'd as marginal talents early on in their career...not so with Miller...kid has always been high on the talent level...Sather didn't go off the board drafting him...Had it not been for the Rangers picking him at 15, he might have slipped a couple spots...but the lowest he would have fallen, IMO, was 22nd...Leafs would have snapped him up...and right there...if someone is looking at Miller's success in the AHL and saying he's destined to be a lifer the likes of Armstrong or Smyth, I gotta call BS...As we've agree before, Miller's talent level ain't what's keeping him out of the NHL...when you take a player like Smyth or even better yet, NEWBURY...or a more contemporary example, Chris BOUQUE...it is talent...those guys can muck and grind points out in the AHL with incredible consistency...but they just don't have the skill set to make that next jump...I've argued from the start, that's simply not the case with Miller. I suspect his main issue is finding the right niche...The types of points I've seen him put up in Hartford this season...they're points coming from his natural ability, not mucking and grinding. Ironically, I think the mucking and grinding is what he's got to do more of, because if he did, I don't think he'd be in Hartford right now...if he simply played like he did against the Pens last spring, he'd be a hard guy to keep in the A.

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 5:28 pm EST

Enamored, not enameled!

JFC31


Mon Nov 24 2014 5:28 pm EST

RF4L -- I think it's a couple of things....first, I think AV is enameled of Duclair and Hayes. He actually sees great potential in both players and probably thinks that if he shows patience that he will be rewarded with young talent that will make an honest contribution to,the team. Also, ego could also be a factor....that AV wants to be responsible for bringing these kids along and watching them develop the way he thinks they will....he can rightfully then take credit for,them as players. Second, if Duclair & Hayes do end up being legit, contributing players on this team, it helps management out salary/cap-wise and options-wise. They are young, the team is fully in charge of,their futures and they will be relatively inexpensive.

JFC31


Mon Nov 24 2014 5:26 pm EST

I don't get the lusting after ageing, underperforming, big name number 7 D

Messier11


Mon Nov 24 2014 5:02 pm EST

TD funny you mention Dubinsky with miller because they share a lot of similarities and think if Miller is smart he can be a Dubinsky like player and no one is saying hes Armstrong who by the way ended his career as a solid fourth liner for the kings for a few years but what miller does in the ahl means nothing brad smyth score 50 more than once in the ahl didn't make him an NHL player don't confuse the two. Miller is an NHL player where is the question wing, center, third line, fourth line, wakes up maybe the second line?

York18


Mon Nov 24 2014 4:44 pm EST

Henrik TALLINDER has allegedly been offered a tryout...weird...not sure why the Rangers keep sniffing around these old-school defenders.

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 4:43 pm EST

IMO, it's not coincidence there's a definite lack of offense from the 3rd line: It's being centered by a rookie college player who has been converted by the Rangers to that position because it's arguably the weakest organizationally. Furthermore, the Rangers are showing remarkable patience here because it is a problem and will continue to be that way unless/until Hayes figures things out. I am NOT pointing fingers at Hayes. He is doing his best and defensively at least, making out reasonably well. Of course it helps none that the 4th line scored but it's first goal of the season last night. At least the top 2 lines are generating offense, which is better than what we've seen too much of in recent history (re the last 10 years): Only 1 line being capable of generating offense on a regular basis. I wonder if Hayes will still be getting those minutes at game 40 if he's sitting at 4 goals and 12 points...

RF4L


Mon Nov 24 2014 4:19 pm EST

PJ: I only say that because I want him after this year, and to get the cap hit down you need to go out a year or two longer than you would want. a 2 year deal would likely be a 5 mil per cap hit, you could knock that down a mil by adding a year or two.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 4:17 pm EST

Ranger47: No the bigger issue is 4 lines that can produce some and or in the 4th lines case, not give up anything and control the play for stretches to let the top lines rest and keep the other team off the board for 30-40 seconds at a time 5-7 times period. If Zucc isn't scoring or producing good shifts, and helping hold back the second line, it wont matter if the 3rd line scores more. They need 3 lines that can score at a decent rate. A top line to do the heavy lifting, a second line to follow that up, and a 3rd line that is good all around and can pop in a goal every now an again. I would love to see more nights with every forward getting a point...would love to see nights with every player with a point including the goalie...but that would take like 7-9 goals or something to happen if I figured it correctly so thats is a pipe dream really. Still, it would be nice, but probably wont happen. Again, its 4 solid lines. Zucc needs to be part of it, and Fast needs to be as well if he is in the lineup. All he players need to be.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 3:21 pm EST

I think putting players like Zucc and Fast under the microscope is missing the bigger issue - third line scoring. If we get some consistent production out of that line we would be formidable indeed. If we can get Hayes winning more faceoffs we would even be a better team. And, IMHO, if he and Duclair start scoring points regularly we'd be a much better team than the one which went to the finals last year. The way others in our conference are playing we'll need to be better to repeat last year's run....

Ranger47


Mon Nov 24 2014 3:17 pm EST

MSL for four years?.....Not something I would be interested in....Two years as far as I would go....

PJ


Mon Nov 24 2014 3:16 pm EST

stevielegs - FWIW, MILLER outplayed Kid K in Hartford by a long stretch in 2012...And that's largely why he ended up making the team in 2013...I won't deny KREIDER had a very good start to his career with that one playoff performance (incidentally, at age 21)....But he started 2012-2013 off in a funk that he never emerged from until he was given some tough love from the organization in the form of a promised bus trip to North Carolina...I feel very safe in my predictions for Miller...but I will say this: Me talking the kid up is more a reaction to the totally skewed rep he gets here...man, I wish I had a dollar for every time someone blurts out 'oh he sucks away from the puck'(my personal favorite) or 'he blew his chance to be on the Rangers' or that he's trade fodder...when really, that's so far from the realm of reality...He's had his moments in the NHL, both good and bad...Only it's the bad people remember here...like this kid cost the Rangers a trip to the cup or something...I simply state the obvious, which is that he's the Rangers' most talented prospect in North America not currently in the NHL and that if the organization has soured on him, they've got a real funny way of showing it...and yet I'm reading he's the second coming of Derek ARMSTRONG...something I'm still trying to wrap my brain around...or that guy like HAGGERTY(who, incidentally, I really like) has surpassed him on the depth chart. Mindboggling. That's the only reason I point out how well he's doing in Hartford.

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 3:00 pm EST

And re: TORTORELLA...his "handling" of KREIDER and ZUCC had nothing to do with him getting canned. Zippo. What got him fired was his inablity to coach. Plain and simple. The guy couldn't learn from the mistakes he made in 2011-2012...could adapt to the modern NHL...and was becoming a circus sideshow..THAT is what got him fired. He couldn't play a four-line game...couldn't get the PP going...and insisted on playing stumps like BICKEL and ASHAM and...well...the list goes on...instead of building four solid lines and rolling them. That is what got him fired. Actually, his handling of Kreider was just short of perfect. When the kid needed a kick to the ass, he was there to deliver it in spades...And Zucc...well...I can't argue he shat the bed on that call...Zucc should have never been in Hartford. He belonged in NY the whole time...but that's far from what got Torch canned.

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:58 pm EST

COMark: Agree on the broadcast, it was great. The guys on the air had zero bias that I could find, and they called the game evenly and had the right bits of info to toss in there. As one person said, they seem to really want Duclair to be back in junior and the WJC, but that wasn't bad, not a team bias like you tend to get with the other guys you mentioned. They really dislike the Rangers, and Mitcheletti(sp) just isn't good....its not a bias thing, he just isn't good. There are worse color guys, but not by much. So wish they would replace him with someone better!

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:52 pm EST

COmark: Would you give Zucc 4-4.5 mil for 5 years if he ends up with .45 ppg and stays playing this, a good shift here and there, surrounded by not so engaged shifts? I mean the biggest problem with the Rangers over the years has been dolling out big bucks to players that don't live up to the contracts....just because Zucc CAN do those things doesn't mean he deserves the money, he needs to go out there and actually do them.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:52 pm EST

RR - And when did I say the Rangers need JT MILLER to win? Oh I see. I didn't.

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:48 pm EST

And I totally enjoyed the Canadian broadcast of the game last night. I can't take Doc Emrick anymore. Milbury, Jones, Mcguire. Those last three were dropped by TSN, weren;'t they? But USA networks can't broadcast a game without them. And Michelletti is almost as bad, and of course NBC loves him as well. It was so refreshing having Dave Maloney on the air in place of Michelletti when he was away for the Modano wedding or whatever.

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:44 pm EST

RR- As much as I disagree with a lot of what you have to say, we are on the same team regarding Zucc. I will be furious if Sather trades him or lets him walk. He sees the ice like very few guys can, takes a beating and keeps on going, has more heart than height, but brings a unique skill-set that can't be replaced. Sometimes the smallest guys in the league are the most dynamic to watch. These guys have always had a chip on their shoulder because everyone said they wouldn't make it. Theo Fleury, MSL, ZUCC, heck, even Nate Gerbe. Love watching those guys play and I want Zucc in the trenches with me when I go to war.

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:39 pm EST

adding to the Zucc thing. I think we will see is game LOOK better and more consistent before it starts to produce better and more consistent. Meaning, it will feel like you should look at the box score and see 3 points but have him come up empty with you scratching your head like at times last year. After that the points will come. But it will be a better feel for his game first. That is what the brass will probably look at more than anything, not the points, they don't just use stats, but his game is way off right now, and has been for most of 20 games....and IMHO a quarter of the season is plenty to start judging a player, its not the final judgment, but a progress report, or a midterm report card of sorts. You can get a D for the first quarter and still get an A on the year IMHO.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 2:04 pm EST

JFC: If he can get 15 and 30, slightly better than he is averaging now AND he is more involved and engaged in the game shift in shift out that yeah, he will have turned it around, and you will be able to see it long before the deadline. But as he is playing now, I don't know if he will continue to produce at his current pace. I mean, his last 4 games he has 1 point, and before that he had a couple games in a row with points I think, one he had a couple points. If he continues to only get points 1 out 3, 1 out of 4 games, he will be lucky to get double digit goals. Again, it isn't just the points, that is part of it for sure, but he hasn't been involved like he was last season, he hasn't been visible, last year it felt like he should have had closer to a point peerage than .75 points per game, this year it feels like he should have less than a half point per game that he has. Totally different feel to his game. THAT is what worries me more that the out put. There is no way his less than 10% shooting percentage should hold up, it will get better I would imagine, just from luck...but his game is way off from last year. If he can start looking like the Zucc of last year I believe they will try their best to keep him under the cap constraints, maybe over other guys like Hags and even Staal. But he has to show it. Again, the nasty business side creeps in due to him being a UFA, if he was an RFA I would say no way do they even think of moving him, they would sit him before that, but as a UFA, that changes a LOT.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:56 pm EST

So how about this scenario Wild....Zucc finishes the season with 15 goals, 30 assists but then lights it up in the playoffs, looking spectacular and near the top of the team in PO scoring. So, disappointing regular season but great playoffs? I know you're not saying to dump him but there is no reason to even have a heated debate on this IMO....time will tell, even it it means right up to the very last playoff game....too many variables to even bother talking about his future or hgow bad/good he is playing 20 games in. Just MHO

JFC31


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:46 pm EST

And speaking of the cap next season...anyone think MSL will sign for a cap hit of less than he is making...I man he could do it, 4 or 5 years, 16-18 mill. 3.5-4mil hit, but it could start off higher, like 5 mil per for the first 2 years....if its a shorter deal there is no recapture if he retires early. I don't think I would go more than 4 years...he will probably be able to play 2 more after this well, than it will be downhill, but how fast is the issue.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:41 pm EST

Ola: You are one of the VERY few who think Zucc was one of the best players. The talk here and in all places I could find was about the struggles he was having, that he wasn't engaged int he games, and that he looked like he really missed his line mates from last year. He wasn't that good. I know you have a massive soft spot for him, and if he went pointless the rest of the season you would probably still say give him 4.5 mil per for 5 years....but I don't think the Rangers brass will see it that way at all.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:39 pm EST

Rabid: This is a business. After this season, its not just Zucc, its MSL, Step, Hags, Fast, J. Moore, Staal and Talbot that ALL need contracts. Don't you think there is some competition for the dollars? They may not be able to keep them all...who goes? How many go? Step will be signed I am sure (unless one of "those" deals come along) MSL should be signed as long as he keeps playing like he has been, Hags would be nice to keep, Fast is a question mark in some ways, nice young player, but maybe he is traded if they feel they can do better for less cap hit, J.Moore and Staal on the back end, well I would love to keep both, D is so important, and Talbot is a very good backup, don't want to see him let go....not until another player can step up for less than him cap wise and be just as good. So how will Sather decide? by popularity contest? Will it be like survivor, will they vote someone off the island, or American Idol and have the fans phone in their choice? Of course not, it will be based on the ability of the player to help he team win. If you think the brass with brush off Zucc not producing and pay him I think you are way off the mark. If Zucc turns it around than they will probably lookout the early season as some oddity and call it all good, and some other player may have to really step it up to save his spot. The good thing about that is, if its an RFA who needs to prove himself, well, you can hold off since they can't just walk, and trade them any time during the offseason....UFAs (Zucc, Staal and Talbot) you need to be more carful with, you have less time and teams don't give up much for a UFA to be after the trade deadline.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:37 pm EST

Wild- We have to agree to disagree then. I think Zucc was one of our best players the first handful games, then he played hurt and I think he has been perfectly acceptable lately for a player in the 4-5m range.

Ola


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:33 pm EST

Quinn and Tikhonov passes on the same day. One GM not out there but up there just got a much easier job. These two will set things straight. RIP.

Ola


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:00 pm EST

that's why is called rfc wall....it's like talking to the wall literally.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:55 pm EST

Wild, I don't know what else to say, man. At some point you pick your guys and live & die with'em. We're well past the asset management stage too, as I just said to Hospo. We're stacked, or damn close to it. I am living and dying with Mats Zuccarello, there aint no two ways about that.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:46 pm EST

Rabid: So you don't think you could get a playmaker for Zucc to play in the top 6 from a team that will miss the post season...Zucc and a 3rd rounder, or a kid who may not make it anyway for a guy who has one more year from a team looking to cut out a contract for the offseason? Sure the regular season doesn't mean as much, but if he can't get it going in the regular season you really think magically he will turn it on in the playoffs...and if he doesn't...what then...you wasted an asset, and made it harder to win the cup...I would rather at the deadline, if he hasn't found his game more (he doesn't have to be fully back to last years level, just heading that way regularly) to see if you can get a good replacement for him. thats how this works...if you can improve a spot and go for the cup you do it. I am not saying grab an aging vet, but there are always options....would be silly to ignore his play if by the new year he hasn't gotten better.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:42 pm EST

yeah sure there is more to a player than Stats...but show me where this season he has brought anything to the ice on a CONSISTENT basis, not for a shift or two, not for a game here or there, but game in and out. I know guys have slumps...but a 20 games slump to start the season? Not many guys do that and remain in the top 6 on a cup team. This wall erupts with protest when he Rangers get a guy who has one good year, and nothing else to show for his career...even if its short....but Zucc can follow a really good year with a crap start and already he is worth whatever it takes to keep him....and he took some discount at 3.5 mil after just one year...it was 1 season people...just one. and he got 3.5 mil for it. Discount? Really. He went from 1.15 mil to 3.5 mil, and has backed it up with, well not much. He needs to earn that next contract this season...cant keep pointing to last season, and than blame Torts for the poor play before that, not all poor, just away from the puck....its on him to perform, and if he doesn't sat to, like it or not he might be gone at the deadline. Again, its not what I want to see happen, but I will not shed a tear if he continues totally like he has been for another 20-30 games. To me that would just point to him being that type of player, and not the guy we saw last season....that does happen....guys can have a great year and never reach that level again...ask Prucha how one great year works out career wise. I am not saying they are the same before anyone jumps all over me. But that just proves you need to bring it more than one year to show you can do it regularly. Not just once.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:39 pm EST

there is no hate of fast or the other kids. but they are mostly replaceable. guys like msl, mcd, nash, hank et al are a lot harder to win without, especially in the playoffs.....when a kid becomes that, it's great...until such time they are what they are ....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:38 pm EST

Wild, I'm willing to wait on Zuc until the first faceoff of the POsnif necessary. Regular season doesnt mean shit, we're a PO team unless the roof caves. If things fell apart somehow and he walked, so be it. His playmaking is that valuable for the playoffs.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:34 pm EST

During the game last night I was musing how if we had resigned Pouliot the lines might look. You'd have to consider putting hjm back with Brass and Zucc, but then what do you do about the other players? Who falls to the third line (and would it mean that the Duke would have been sent down)?

Ranger47


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:34 pm EST

Hospo, if MSL continues to play like this you'd be nuts not to resign him - after the season. But I wouldn't lock in, cause it'll be $4-5m plus and will box out a kid if he fades and you're consistently wrong LOL.Like I said, you know I'm with you on this win-now window, and I try not to get too revved up on too many prospects (you sucker-shotted my man Lindberg, who's lighting it up), but with how Haggerty can shoot it and Buch is turning guys inside out, yeah, they need to be a consideration. Duclair too.he had two guys on him against the boards last night and made a helluva play to escape, then led a nice rush, sharp pass, etc. kept saying we will soon approach a place we've rarely if ever been in RangerLand; too many good kids and nowhere to play them. We don't want to start losing guys or guys demanding trades. Some of these kids look too good, and shouldn't be risked for another year of MSL IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:34 pm EST

JFC/Rabid: I am NOT saying that he can't still turn it around...I am saying if he doesn't he will be gone. Rabid: Zucc was RIGHTFULLY sat at times because he was a terrible mess away from the puck. He figured it out in the KHL, don't know who got him going that way but when he came back he was lightyears better defensively...thats not a problem even during his start this year. But to ignore the FACT that he has had one really good year, and he has started this year bad is just silly. So when do you stop saying "he will find his groove" ? The playoffs? he needs to find a groove before the deadline. Agains, its a business, and if at the deadline he is still playing like this, still at a half point per game still to showing up for more shifts than showing up, how can you just keep saying "he will find his groove" Sure 20 games is too early to dump the guy, save for a crazy offer but you ay move him playing well if its a great offer, but when is it not too few games? 30, 40, 50? when? He is going to be a UFA, its a risk he could walk regardless of how he plays and what the Rangers offer, his agent may convince him to test the market since it is so thin this season as of right now, add to that, if he hasn't turned his game around from how its been for the first 20 games, well, thats a LOT of risk...especially if they want the cup, and especially if teams are willing to pay to get him for the end of the season. There is time, as i said, for him to turn it around, and I hope like hell he does. But lets not ignore the fact that he hasn't played well this season...

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:32 pm EST

I don't get the "hate" of Fast by some on the Wall. He's been very effective in stabilizing the fourth line, which arguably was our best one last night in terms of shutting down the Habs. We need to get our third line scoring along with Kreider - then this team would be clicking on all 8 cylinders...especially when McD get back.

Ranger47


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:26 pm EST

mza took a home team discount, and deserves whatever sather agreed to or more.. and more than what he's getting this year that's for sure......on his next contract.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:21 pm EST

Last night Mark How's, Red Wings Director of Scouting specifically mentioned Zuccarello between periods. Said if all you look at are stats you can miss the boat on players. When do they elevate their games, etc. WILD, again not sure why you're boxers are in a bunch over Zuc. Everyone has their ups & downs. He's had some good changes last few games. I'm sure you worked to dig up those PPG numbers, but the Torts years I'd throw right in the garbage. Any coach who'd convert Matt Gilroy to a forward and scratch Zuc is, simply put, a clueless asshole. Treating players like Zuc & Kreider lk,e that are what got Torts bounced. Zuc will find his groove, and when he does, this is a kid who makes plays I've practically never seen another player make. He absolutely has some magic to him, is a very unique player, least of my worries. Pat Quinn died.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:21 pm EST

Isn't it way too early to talk about what Zucc is worth based on 20+ games? It's a conversation/contention that makes no sense at this juncture of the season. He didn't score his first goal until late last season too. It's the end result that counts and we are FAAAAR from the end result at this point. However, it is also very unrealistic to say that you could offer Zucc a LOWER salary and think he wouldn't be justified in saying a big FU to Sather....it would be a mortal insult AFAIAC

JFC31


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:16 pm EST

in just a few days we have lost two hockey giants : Pat Quinn and Viktor Tikhonov

Topovski


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:15 pm EST

Ola: Where is it coming from? It comes from interviews with former and current smaller players who talk about how they always played a little banged up from battling bigger players. You going to tell me that Nash takes the same pounding as Zucc from a 225 pound Dman? Sorry, smaller guys when they do have contact with bigger guys in any sport get more banged up. SO now you KNOW Zucc has groin issues....well with an extra forward WTF is he doing out there. Give him rest....and after what 3 days off due to the BUF game not happening, he SHOULD have come out flying last night, instead I didn't notice him until later in the game. If it was a groin issue it should get worse as the night goes on, not better....face it...he has been poor this season, banged up or not. He has played poorly....I hope it turns around, but why is he given a pass, but no one says anything when someone says Kreider has taken a step back (a few people have said as such) when he is on pace for a career high in points? For some reason, Zucc playing like crap is off limits to say. I want to see him play well, for a game, than another, and another...more good than bad, more good shifts than bad...than I will say that he is worth some money...but not right now...he has more invisible or bad than good. Thats not OK.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:09 pm EST

Ola: What the hell does the playoffs last year or last season have to do with this one? I mean seriously...yes he was a MAJOR DUD to start this year...what was it, 6, 8 games before he had a point. He was invisible before that big hit he took and the missed game or two, he has been BETTER since he got back from that, not worse. But he STILL seems like a dud, he isn't impacting the game on every shift. Last night he was invisible except for a few shifts, sure, those shifts he looked like last year...but a few shifts per night isn't enough...he has been bad this season save a couple games, and a few shifts each game, some nights I have forgotten about him. If he needs his line mates to carry him and make him good, he ISNT worth4.5 per. and I don't want to hear anyone cry about a 4th line guy at 1.5 mil if a guy struggling to put up half a point per game in the top 6 with PP time is getting 4-4.5 mil per on a long term deal.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:05 pm EST

Wild- Banged up? He have had a groin inury and have had problems skating. Then you say that he always is going to be banged up because he is small, where is that coming from??? There is some kind of rule now that small players are banged up more than big players, I would bet my right arm that its the complete opposite lol. Bigger PFs are easily the players who have the shortest careers and get banged up before anyone else.

Ola


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:03 pm EST

RABID - Actually, I think i'm the only one here that has said MULTIPLE TIMES including last season, the off-season and now this season that we need to sign ST. LOUIS to an extension...Hey, I may be wrong, but I would be CONSISTENTLY wrong..:)..All scorers have droughts and MSL has gone thru some shit...but I watch the skill, quickness and determination with which he consistently plays and have no prob wanting him for another go round next year, another year we should be going for it....As you know, JMWO

Hospo


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:03 pm EST

Wild- I don't agree. You say that he has opened this year with a "major dud", the reason I don't agree is because I have no clue what you are talking about. What do you mean? Zucc was our best forward looking at all of last year play-off's included. He has been really good for us this year despite playing hurt for a few games. He is 26 y/o. 4.5m per is a very good deal for someone like him. To be honest it is pretty delusional to bring up things like that we would love to sign him at 2-2.5m, where is those numbers coming for? I am sure we would love to sign Hank to a 900k per deal, it don't make it more in touch with reality anyhow...

Ola


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:01 pm EST

and thats NOT what I want, its how I see it. I WANT him to turn it around, and start scoring at the rate he was last year, and start impacting the game when he isn't like last year. I want him to finish the year off with 50-60 points after the slow start and to go and get .55+ ppg in the playoffs and earn a nice long contract and bring his game year in and year out like that. But if he can't show he can do that this year...well....he wont be re-signed...unless he wants to take a 1-2 years 2.5 mil deal and try to earn big money again....but another team will give him at least the 3.5 he has made this year....hello Oilers, Canes, Florida, Buffalo....

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:00 pm EST

Wild -- have to disagree about what Duclair might/should do if he if given a choice of going WJC or not....I don't think there is any way in hell the kid gives up his spot...no way. First of all, it would end a bad message to his team about where his priorities are....if you want to be a professional, then you need to act like a professional, not an amateur. The Rangers are his team....to be part of the fabric of a team means that you're there for your team mates, they are your extended family. Leaving sends the wrong message, no matter what they say. Secondly, why would the kid give up his spot....there is no guarantee that he's going to get it back if he does that. For instance, maybe Stempniak steps up from 4th line and gets hot with Hayes and Hags....POOF! there goes Duclair's spot. NHL is what he has worked for and what his dream is....not WJC. He is an insecure rookie with an insecure spot that he is in the process of trying to solidify. If he continues to be put out on that line and gets more and more comfortable/confident, as well as getting 2nd line PP, I don't even think AV would give him the choice.

JFC31


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:58 am EST

Rabid: See...you are assuming he is banged up...well guess what...he is small, he will always be. And how do you explain the goose eggs before that hit you mentioned? The problem is, he MUST show he still has that dynamic game in order to be signed...and if he can't like I said, Sather may trade him because he can't give him even 3.5 per if he is going be be unable to produce like a top 6 player. I like Zucc, he hasn't done anything to piss me off at all...it just is what it is. He has to be better, or he SHOULD be gone. Declare is scaring at almost the same pace as him. Zoo is scoring at a .03 ppg pace better than the Rookie. Come on now...if Duclair was given the ice time Zucc has gotten there is a chance he has MORE points than Zucc (of course I am not sure if the Defensive side of things would be as good, Zucc is doing well there most of the time) and that isn't OK for a guy who is in a contract year. In his career Zucc has scored at the rates of .55, .3, .53, .77, and now .50 in that order...there are 2 outliers. the .3 in 10 games a couple years back, and the .77 last year. there are 3 times he has had .5 or there about. 3 out of 5 seasons. Granted none are full seasons, but STILL, at some point patterns matter. The playoffs, .58 and .52. Will he be able to hold that true this years playoffs? Or will he have a droopy there this year as well? Again, HE needs to play better, not just points, but look better, if he can't he will be gone.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:49 am EST

Well Wild, obviously Zuc has done something to anger you lol. I didn't realize his contract was a problem this Monday morning. He's got 9 in 18, been banged up, separated from Brassard. They haven't exactly rekindled the magic unless I'm mistaken. I just want Zuc healthy. He's a dynamite player if so, the numbers, stats & contract, will take care of themselves. He's also one of the last guys they'd trade.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:39 am EST

Rabid: So what...he is going ask for a long term 3.5 or less deal? LMOA...rrriiiiiiiiggghhht. He will START at 5 per most likely hoping to get 4-4.5 per long term. He has looked IMHO like he did in his NHL career save for last season...again, he has had 1 good year. This wall is usually littered with tearing apart signings of guys on the market who had just 1 or 2 good seasons....but Zucc has one, and even though he has followed it up with a major dud so far (there is still time and I am hopeful) its "ignore the dud, he is probably hurt or something, he will be better, sign him up" its just inconsistent. If he doesn't improve he shouldn't be signed long term. Also, don't forget, if he didn't sign he wasn't going to play...unless he went back to the KHL, but if he wanted NHL he HAD to take a deal the Rangers were happy with...i you think he can to the Rangers and was like "so how much can you afford...3.5 OK thats good for me" The Rangers I am sure would have LOVED to get him for 2-2.5 for the year, and Zucc and his agent would have loved to get 4 for the season. I could care less if he took 1 mil. Sure thanks for the deal to help with the cap and all, but if you want to play longer on the team for more money you need to earn it...not last season, THIS season.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:15 am EST

Wild, cause he doesn't look right. Don't know if it's his neck since that hit or what but he seems rigid. And this is a guy who willingly took a 1-yr reduced rate deal to help the team with the cap. How do you know what he's going to demand?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:09 am EST

Rabid: Why do you assume something is bothering him? He has had multiple seasons (well parts of seasons) where he is about a half point per game...he has one season above that, and THAT is his norm? We can't be sure, not enough games played to really know. Is he a .75 ppg player or a .5 ppg player? If he is a .5 guy, he isn't worth the money he will demand, if he is a .75 player he is. Simply put, if he cant get his game going and get to that level for at least the last half of the season I don't think he will be re-signed, in fact he may not make it past the deadline. There is a business side that is ugly, and if Sather doesn't see the player he is willing to give more money and term for, he will not say "but the fans love him so much"

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:05 am EST

Those are some stats & almost a perfect game, to have all 12 forwards on the sheet with some few goals scored. Hospo, you know I'm with you on win now for this franchise, but MSL isn't a slam dunk call imwo. He's fresh now & having his early-season burst. I didn't see you jumping to sign him when he had one goal in 24 games or whatever it was. Thing with him, he very specifically wants to be here, based in Ct, etc. So he will wait to sign if we have to go to July 1. And my $0.02, why not wait to see what the hell he looks like down the stretch & in the POs? Cause for a while there, he was missing one-timers like they were going out of style.We're trading Zuc? Something's got to be bothering the little wizard.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 11:03 am EST

Mess: The Oil didn't say they were only trading players and only for a first line center. They want a first line center, but I have read they want lots of stuff, they may give up a pick to get more center depth...if they want to give up a first for Miller, I do it. Because regardless their next couple first rounders will be high, wont get this years for sure, but get next years. Maybe Miller and another kid for a 1st. Seems like the hill for miller to climb is a steep one, at center or wing. So give him a chance and get something god in return that could help the Rangers, an oilers first will be a top 15 almost for sure, and a top 10 perhaps, and maybe even higher for the next couple years.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:59 am EST

RF4L: Thats the thing....they should be trying to land a top pair D man or two, and get a better goalie if at all possible. AFTER they can go and try to find a center. Its just seems really really odd. I mean, fgo get one Dman, than draft one high for crying out loud. They have enough young forwards, if they can keep most if not all of them and get good D and get better in net, they will take off in the standings, maybe not much more than a first round exit if they even could make the PO, but at least there would be excitement and hope for most of a season instead of this 20 games in and they feel like its over already.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:58 am EST

everyone looks better when the nyr win especially 2 shutouts...it's a team game, with leaders showing the way......

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:54 am EST

BTW, IMO what McT should be doing is seeking either one big trade where he lands a center and a d-man or a series of smaller trades because I concur adding a center isn't going to solve the bulk of his team's problems. I gotta figure Sather has chatted with McT, given their history. However, I simply don't see a fit there.

RF4L


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:50 am EST

Wild: Re the Oil - it's because after RNH, who is still finding his way, they don't have a center with some presence. Behind RNH is that 18 year old German kid, Arcobello and Boyd Gordon. Hardly awe-inspiring.

RF4L


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:49 am EST

TSN says "first-line" center. Besides, we don't have room for Perron.

Messier11


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:44 am EST

McT on the hunt for a center and is saying anyone on his club is available. I realize he's likely seeking an established player, but curious about his possible interest in Jitters Miller. It would be nice to recoup that lost first rounder, although I'm likely gonna need TD's bong to make that trade happen!!! ;^)

RF4L


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:22 am EST

SO onto something else. The Oilers apparently, other than Hall, are for sale. But the confusing thing is that the only thing they have said publicly, and what seems to be coming from the "sources" is that they want a center....a center? The suck defensively and struggle in net, so they want a center? I don't get it. Unless they plan on getting a more veteran center, and trading one of their young Center (RNH) or a wing to get a really good young D I don't get it. Very odd IMHO.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:19 am EST

KIS; You might be the first person who agrees with me about Zucc. I love the player he can be, and what he does bring, but he better do it shift in shift out, not every once in a while. I WANT him to get back to what he was last year. And if if turn out he has some nagging injury I will cut him some slack, because thats something that you just can not overcome no matter what, BUT if he doesn't have an injury, and he doesn't pick up his game, I think he could be moved. I am almost certain Sather will not give him a raise, or a long term deal...too risky basing it on one really good season followed by a not so great one.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:17 am EST

The MSL trade, agree with the reporter, TBL fans should thank MSL for getting traded....it gave them a lot to build with. HOWEVER, I feel that early on at least, the trade has been a "win" of sorts for both teams. The Rangers were not going pay Cally, well, they would have paid him it seems, but not given him the NMC/NTC he wanted. MSL brought something to the Rangers that helped get them to the SCF, and so far this season he has helped keep their heads above water...would Cally have been as effective at center? MSL wasn't great, but he filled in really well and now he is scoring at a very good level. Cally will be very good for a season or two, than I would be he tails off (hence the reason the Rangers didn't want a NMC/NTC) Yes the 1st round picks help TBL....but while its deep draft, everything I have read says that like every other year, there are 8-10 really top players, and of course the top 3-5 that should be great. The real depth of the draft is that the players who will go 8-10 all the way to like 45-50 will be the same level. All will be capable of having 1st round type careers, or high 2nd round careers. And there will be tons of them. So really, as long as the Rangers make the playoffs, that 1st rounder will be basically as good as a second rounder. The Rangers have 2 second rounders and both should bring a player who could have been a first rounder. I have read many things that already people who are in the know have talked with teams, and after the top 8-10 players , right now, every team has a widely different idea of who round out the first round, if that holds true (and we wont know for 5-6 years) than the Trade will really be win/win. A rarity in sports.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:09 am EST

Ahhh, you beat me to the punch. I agree with the Zucc post

KIS


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:08 am EST

Wild, spot on with everything in that last post.

KIS


Mon Nov 24 2014 10:04 am EST

HOSPO: I notice that the 4th line looks good with Fast, how much of that do you think is him, for whatever reason, and how much is it that the other two (Moore/Glass) suddenly turning some corner. I just wonder if there is something different in the game Fast brings than what Stemp brings that is making it better to have Fast in. I am curious to see....not that anything should change, back to back shutouts, the 4th line and a ton of chances the last game and a few the game before, and kept the puck deep shift in and out, so Stemp should sit until someone shows they need a break. BUT having said that, I want to see Stemp on the 4th line to see if it works as well with him. If not, he shouldn't be there...

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 9:57 am EST

Also, Again I will point it out...and be bashed some for it. But Zucc had like 3 or 4 good shifts...after a really good game, he really didn't show up much. yeah his good shifts were very good, and he wasn't bad otherwise, but last season Nash was torn to shreds for not doing more even though he was playing well away from the puck, people area saying Kreider took a step back when he is on pace for a career high in points. (last year's was his best at 37 on pace for 49) but Zucc who is on pace for 40 points is being left alone, and if someone like me says maybe last year was the oddity and the norm is the .5 ppg I get told I am wrong and that he needs to be paid whatever it takes to keep him. When do we get to see the 4+ million player on RW? Because Duclair is looking like he could shove him aside before the end of the year, Zucc needs to be better for more than just a few shifts...he is making 3.5 mil this season because the Rangers wanted the guy who was at 3/4 of a point per game and visible almost every shift like last year. So far, he has bombed an opportunity to get a big fat long term contract IMHO

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 9:56 am EST

RF4L - Of course, I was exaggerating last night a lttile with FAST..It was just the other ni8ght against Flyers where I praised him a little...He does nothing wrong..is a very responsible player..and can be a 12th forward ..Black Ace..But, you take hi8m out, you don't lose all that much and we were talking about St. Louis and all the young kids coming up...ANyway, more importantly, it was a good win last night and both the vets and kids played well

Hospo


Mon Nov 24 2014 9:55 am EST

My thoughts exactly: http://www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/thank-marty-st-louis-for-demanding-a-trade/2207538

tdchi


Mon Nov 24 2014 9:51 am EST

Bob: You mentioned what they talk about when it comes to kids like Duclair....I do agree 100% with them about the WJC, you can only do that so many years, and you never know when you may get to represent your country again. Good players are left off of the international teams every year, and if Duclair has a chance to play in the WJC and the Rangers leave it up to him I hope he jumps at the chance. Yeah the NHL is the best, but playing for your country is special. A few weeks away wont kill him or the Rangers....or shouldn't. He is on pace for something like a half point per game. Its not like this team will live and die by his play, even if he is getting better as time goes on. Its valuable experience for a young guy to be in a major tournament like that. Now for those who say "but the memorial cup is big too!" I say this...the NHL players are bigger than that, and the Rangers are in position to determine their own destiny. 20 games in they are in 3rd, and just 2 points out with a game in hand on the Leafs for the last wildcard spot should someone in the division pass them for 3rd. And does anyone really think the leafs will keep it up or the Islanders? Its the last season that the good teams continue to do well and the the hot teams early seem to falter when they are not quite ready. I don't see the Islanders and "there" yet. They are top heavy at each position....not BAD really, but not good enough IMHO for a good run. Toronto is in the same boat, but not as bad, top heavy, they rely heavily on their top guys to win. Late season and PO that doesn't work. Just as the Pens. they might make it going down the stretch, but they have had a lot of problems in the post season due to their top heavy lineup.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 24 2014 8:20 am EST

The @NYRangers have posted consecutive regular season shutouts for the first time since March 17 and 19, 2003 (both by Mike Dunham).

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 8:16 am EST

Hospo: I know you're a vet lover and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think you're being a tad harsh on Fast. I saw nothing from him last year but for sure, I can see some positives this year. He's using his speed, has some offensive skill that we might see emerge if he gets moved up the line up, and more importantly, seems way more engaged.

RF4L


Mon Nov 24 2014 7:36 am EST

Man time flies, Petr Prucha has already retired. WTF. Who's next, Buchnevich? We will sit there, what happend to Buchnevich? Oh he be retired now.

Ola


Mon Nov 24 2014 7:34 am EST

Stevie- That knowledge passed on by MSL shouldn't be underrated. I am 100% sure that Jagr don't even remotely become as effective as he did if he don't play with Mario. Mario passed on a lot to Sidney too. I saw Peter Forsberg really work a lot with Zuccarello during half a year when they played together, Zucc really moved forward a notch or two because of it. Kreider and Step are different type of players than MSL and won't copy him all that much, but you know he can defintely teach anyone a lot about "focus".

Ola


Mon Nov 24 2014 7:14 am EST

And it was right on time for the Rangers, who leaned on St. Louis in their run to the Cup final, and who are reaping the benefits now of having the 39-year-old in their room and in their lineup, where his skill level and commitment elevate his linemates’ and teammates’ game. “He demands it,” said Derek Stepan, St. Louis’ center who gave the Rangers a 2-0 lead against Montreal at 0:35 of the second period by converting his right wing’s gorgeous backhand feed. “He depends on the fact that you’ll raise your level playing with him. “He’s always talking the game, always teaching and always learning,” said Stepan, who seems to have caught up to the pace after missing the first 12 matches with a broken leg. “Like he’ll say, ‘Hey, if I’m in this spot, you need to get me the puck.’ He expects it, he expects you to keep up with him.” “He’s always breaking down plays, he’s always prepared. Chris [Kreider] and I are trying to adjust to him, but at the same time he’s trying to adjust to us. It’s pretty incredible. And it’s pretty cool. “I’m trying to soak in and learn as much as I can from him.” .............And they are taking advantage of St. Louis’ presence; his leadership by example and his skill level. “We’ve had a lot of very skilled guys here, but the thing about Marty that impresses me the most isn’t his skill but how hard he works every day, and at his age,” Henrik Lundqvist told The Post after registering his fourth shutout. “You see him on the ice, he’s always working. “He’s always talking to guys, telling them what to do, where to go, how to improve. You know, with his career, how could you do anything but listen?” .........http://nypost.com/2014/11/24/when-fans-turn-on-you-martin-st-louis-ready-for-his-homecoming/

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 5:48 am EST

All 12 forwards had at least one point for the Rangers. It was the first time since Dec. 17, 1980, against the Winnipeg Jets that all New York forwards had at least a point, according to Elias Sports Bureau.

RF73


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:51 am EST

And I don't have to pick Fast over MSL or the future over the current. There are 13 forward slots on this team, and both are on it.

Messier11


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:49 am EST

I'll say this about Klein- I like the haircut

Messier11


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:28 am EST

Hospo forgive them for they know not what they are talking about.... I'll take the present over the future.... Msl got them to the finals. If this Nash was there the cup would be in msg. No blame , he had good reasons and some not so good.... These two with hank and this TEAM can get there again this season.... Fast et al might be there... Fast and the other kids over msl?.... Lol....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:21 am EST

Watching the replay, it is obvious Klein has upped his play.

hipcheck


Mon Nov 24 2014 1:16 am EST

Duclair played like a boss.

hipcheck


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:29 am EST

dangit, just like that, our kids are worthless again. I know we won by 5 tonight, but Worthless Fast assisted on one of those, and registered three hits. He's a worthwhile part of my Rangers team.

Messier11


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:25 am EST

Oh..and they are automatically ready like Lindberger was supposed to be? Even Fast and Miller have been worthess...Duclair looks like the real deal though and I like the potentiall of Buch...But I sure ain't counting on it...

Hospo


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:22 am EST

To each their own..totally disagree..but...two comments......any time a top two line player comes back, the offense should get better....second, most of those players show inconsistency out the yin yang,,,even St. Louis last year...Rangers need them all..

Hospo


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:20 am EST

The last Cap Increase rumor I heard hear was + $2mill because of a weakened Canadian Dollar & softer oil prices.. I believe that will hurt The Blackhawks for starters... We need MSL to accept a hometown discount..

mf


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:18 am EST

And Buchnevich & Haggerty are two of the kids. Duclair another.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Nov 24 2014 12:16 am EST

Na. Tonight MSL may have been one of their top two. He was a shell mostly last year by POs. Nash and any one of Stepan, Zuc, Kreider Brassard are their most impotant imo. Not his biggest fan but no coincidence O is better, PP better with Stepan back. Huge part of the team.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:59 pm EST

RABID - Screw the Kids.---which ones are coming anyway?--- Rangers need to sign St. Louis to a one year extension during the season...He's one of the top two forwards on the team. period.

Hospo


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:48 pm EST

Dont care if StL scores a 100pts. Id only resign him as UFA, if then. Gotta see what hes got left @ PO time. Last year wasnt enough and kids coming.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:41 pm EST

ilya - looks like we were thinking the same about ST. LOUIS!!!

Hospo


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:40 pm EST

yeah, I know the Habs were flat but the Rangers were on...The second game I've seen in a month and the second one that showed that, when the Rangers are allowed to skate they can out skill and out quick/skate just about anybody...And when they play together like tonight and agasint the FLyers, they are dangerous..Doing that consistently and against physical teams will be the challenge..too many good things to go through...especially like the smarts, dtermination and skill of St. LOUIS..and am so glad the Rangers have him (and expect an extension some time this season)...and on guy that routinely does the physical job night in and night out----Dan GIRARDI...I know, I'm a vet lover!

Hospo


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:39 pm EST

When MSL on his game and he's heating up i'll take him over Cally anyday a skill speed playmaking ability Cally can only dream off regardless of the age difference wouldnt be surprised if MSL outscore Cally by the end of the season or even next two seasons !!!!

ilya


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:17 pm EST

Our GA avg is down to 2.9 ... This stat is going in the right direction... Wednesday is the 1st time back to Tampa for MSL as per tonights announcers... Friday we're at Philthy, Saturday NOV 29th Philthy visits us.... Hope this is that 5-6 game winning streak some here were calling for... The next game is Dec. 6th at Detroit

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:07 pm EST

Yeah, and this isnt last week. TB is going to have a problem. MSL especially is heating up & hasnt been back there yet I dont believe.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:02 pm EST

Insert hoof into mouth... next stop, Wednesday @ Tampa.. Plenty of time to practice & nurse any bruises...

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:55 pm EST

Moof hoof in mouth ..

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:43 pm EST

"Hope" ... of all the typo's, damn.. :-)

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:43 pm EST

Im amazed they managed to shutout Philly & Montreal without JT Miller.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:43 pm EST

NN, you're a good luck charm... Hoe you're going to all the home games.. ;-)

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:17 pm EST

OLE, OLE, OLE !!! We were OLEing in the Garden tonight; 2-0 at MSG with the new McDonagh Jersey :)

DOUBLEN


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:11 pm EST

Msl and Nash are showing up McD on who should be the captain... Good to have so many leaders... Those two guys can score and pass with the best of them...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:08 pm EST

Kessel & JVR. And no, thanks.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:05 pm EST

How about Nash for Kessel ?

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:05 pm EST

MF, ready to revisit some of your Nash trade proposals? You had some doozies, man. Didn't one involve like 6 teams? Lol. And the Iranian consulate? Haha... The big man is a bad ass. Rang post earlier. He swoops from behind the net in one step to the far post. Crazy.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:58 pm EST

Continue to really really like the MDZ for KK trade!!!

RF4L


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:58 pm EST

And great game by the Rangers. Equally lousy effort by Montreal. MSL looked like he was 22 out there!

RF4L


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:56 pm EST

And MSG and NBC, with all due respect, don't know dick about the sport. I mean, Joe Shitiletti and Mike Milbury???

RF4L


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:55 pm EST

Bob: For me, it's totally about what's best for the kid. It's as simple as that.

RF4L


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:53 pm EST

Its all about the bucks, Bob. And pride. Of course Canada wants their most talented products for the tourneys.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:49 pm EST

Something that strikes me as funny..........watch US broadcasts, including MSG and NBC, and you hear about this 19 YO kid Duclair up from juniors playing with the Rangers. Any broadcast emanating from Canada or post from RF4L, and it's all about the kid should play in the WJC because it is a "once in a lifetime opportunity" and then go back to juniors to play in the Memorial Cup. I bet the kid would rather stay in the NHL. I guess Canada does not like losing junior age kids to the NHL instead of them playing in the WJC.

Bob


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:48 pm EST

McDonagh almost ready to skate with team. We'll see if he can crack lineup.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:46 pm EST

http://deadspin.com/odell-beckham-jr-makes-circus-catch-of-the-year-for-a-1662456576

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:42 pm EST

Moof was waiting for your shutout jinx to happen.... You got lucky... Haven't been 2 in a row since 2003...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:34 pm EST

Yeah, this is not a team they're going to take their foot off the gas pedal against lol. Good to see Nash giving it to Plekanec too.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:34 pm EST

sorry not glass but Jesper fast

KIS


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:33 pm EST

RR he steps in for Glass and in tough games he can slide up to the 3rd line

KIS


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:31 pm EST

great game from the Rangers. dominating. great compete level from the Rangers all night.

KIS


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:27 pm EST

NASSSHHHHH! Yeah Baby ... Give me five, I'm still alive, ain't no luck, I learned to duck!

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:22 pm EST

Sick plays.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:22 pm EST

KIS, when these guys are on they make sick plans in rapid succession. In don't know whonshuts them down when they're like that. St Louis & Minnesota couldnt., two excellent D teams. Mucho fun to watch when they're sniffing it.true on a nasty forward, but where does he play? If Winnipeg gifted us Ladd tomorrow, and he's not the nastiest guy but a big tough talented forward, where does he play? Not on our left aide, Top 9. Thats why Id go for Handzel, a monster of a 3rd line center. But even Hayes has been fine. Tough to say. And BTW, that was Tanner Glass who kicked off the festivites tonight with great hustle, allowing for Moore's goal.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:19 pm EST

if rangers can play with this type of compete level all the time, they dont need t make many changes. they are fine. when McD comes back they will be good in the back. they could use a nasty forward.

KIS


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:19 pm EST

These last two days are like a microcosm replay of rounds 2-3 of last years playoff. Beat their arch nemesis Bruins, then have a let down againstthe Rangers.

ColoradoMark


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:16 pm EST

Duke is uncomfortable with NHL banging. Every time he gets hit he acts like he's never been hit that hard before, like he wants to call a timeout lol. But when this kid is in open ice he's an NHL player & a good one.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:15 pm EST

if rangers can play with this type of compete level all the time, they dont need t make many changes. they are fine. when McD comes back they will be good in the back. they could use a nasty forward.

KIS


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:15 pm EST

So Duclair has gone from sitting for 3 games and supposedly being a sure thing to being sent away to WJC, to seeming like he's getting very confident, having a solid 3rd line spot and being a regular on the 2nd PP unit. He's got 1:39 so far on the PP tonight. If a decision had to be made tomorrow, would he be gone? So many things can happen it is no sure thing he'll even go to WJC. If he becomes integral to this team....

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:02 pm EST

Hagelin ! 4-0 ... Hags seems much more effective from the Right Side....

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:45 pm EST

Duke needs to work his down low game. Looks uncomfortable along the boards.

stepunmytoe


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:43 pm EST

Rangers have taken Montreal out of this match.. Great 2nd period following a good 1st.. Kevin Klein "playing fine." Let's get Hank a shutout here....

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:33 pm EST

Sweet MSL. Talbot coulda handled these mighty Canadiens I think.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:33 pm EST

Saint Marty ! Having a great game. Habs not in this one.

stepunmytoe


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:32 pm EST

Nice goal by MSL....MTL is flat and out of it

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:32 pm EST

Nice goal by MSL....MTL is flat and out of it

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:19 pm EST

Theyre swarming again. Great plays. Kreider is in beast mode here. Snakebitten though.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:17 pm EST

can Kreider buy a goal? poor kid just cant score lately

KIS


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:17 pm EST

Rangers really flying and they are sharp!!

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:05 pm EST

STEPAN Top Shelf !!! 2 - 0

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:01 pm EST

MelvilleFred -- my brother lived in Koblenz (sp?) for 3 years...speaks fluent German. I'm 1/4 kraut...kraut + Sicilian = extremely stubborn!! ;^)

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:44 pm EST

Mfred as in sour? .... It's not miller time . Doesn't have taste for the nhl and is filling the ahl roster....jitters high life....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:33 pm EST

Hayes line starting to develop some chemistry...Duke looks good

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:27 pm EST

Wo, Domino! coool beanzzzz

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:24 pm EST

JFC31 small town in northern Germany called Malliss Stevie no such thing for krauts

MelvilleFred


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:23 pm EST

but they lost anyway..........

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:10 pm EST

Evander

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:10 pm EST

Kane with 10 hits so far against the Blues tonight.

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:09 pm EST

Can we get a bag of old pucks for shitaletti. He has become so annoying I would almost take Darren the owl panger.

barto


Sun Nov 23 2014 7:07 pm EST

Tonight's game features "special pest," Schmo Dickaletti.... Good Grief

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 6:13 pm EST

Ill bet Columbus is in the bidding, as JD drafted him. But also Toronto, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Islanders, Colorado...

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 6:05 pm EST

no room for him on this club. That might change after this season, But I wouldn't take him over MZA, MSL, or Hags. He will make a difference somewhere else, but I don't get why they'd want to part.

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 6:01 pm EST

Word was Rangers were checking out Perron last year, then it just died out. He's got a heavy deal as I remember, forget if its 3 or 4m. Prob why tightwad Oil might look to move him, though Puliot just broke his foot, another LW. Perron is a righty LW, but if Nash stays on left, weve got Nash-Kreider-Hags-relative awesomeness.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 5:55 pm EST

Even tried a couple times to run someone over

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 5:55 pm EST

Wow. Per TSN, David Perron on the block, reportedly for a top-line center. Not sure what MacTavish is thinking, why Perron is part of the problem in Edmonton, or that they lack a top-line C. I guess MacT isn't cut out for this kind of work, unfortunately. Great guy, one of my absolute favorite players growing up. I modeled everything about my (high school) game after him, as much as I could.

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 5:53 pm EST

mfred do you have a motherland too?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 5:37 pm EST

Melville -- what is your home city/town?

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 5:30 pm EST

Thank god I'm flying to the Fatherland tonight....I won't have to watch the Rangers or the Giants.....

MelvilleFred


Sun Nov 23 2014 4:54 pm EST

moof it would be nice if any nyr would show up every game....Nash is closest to doing that.....it's now called the nyr flew......the coop.....over the cuckoos nest....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 4:48 pm EST

Would be nice if Kid K showed up for every game.. When your game is not firing on all cylinders, hit someone on the ice.....

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 4:11 pm EST

Would have been nice if jitters in his nhl career so far contributed 1/4 of what kid k did in his 1st playoffs ... How old was he then 18-19? .... Jitters hasn't shown even a glimpse of much In the nhl to hope for .....that's why there are no guarantees with first round picks ... And why many picks get traded before and after.... Tdchi your scouting career rests on him ... Good luck... Everyone hopes you and the nyr are right but try banging the drum slowly like his development....saying it over and over is not making it come true....the way he's shown himself just might lead to him proving it in another nhl city....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 2:20 pm EST

At only 21 years of age, JT Miller is definitely too young to give up on. Even if he blossoms at age 23, he'll still be a baby age-wise....the Rangers have complete control of his future and can keep in the Organization for quite a while longer....even if it means 2 more seasons in the AHL. I would not be so fast to just use this kid as an add-in to a trade, either....his value is not that high and he has a the makings of the type of trade that can come back to haunt you. That being said, if there is a team out there that WANTS HIM as part of a trade package, the Rangers should consider it. And all it takes, TDCHI, is one injury to a wing to make your sure-thing Duclair to WJC prediction a wrong one. AV has him in the line-up again tonight.

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 2:18 pm EST

Talking TRADE, keeps everyone alert, that's why! ;-)

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 1:53 pm EST

Rangers probably should have written KREIDER off too after at a ripe old age of 21, he sucked his first season and couldn't make the team his second...that would have worked out well...Look, I think a lot of you forget this kid broke into the NHL as a 19-year-old. Kid has had some strikes and gutters...I thought he'd be up for good after camp this year...he's not...oh well...but he's doing exactly what he needs to do to get back up here, and that's playing his ass off. His chance will come when DUCLAIR gets shipped to Team Canada.

tdchi


Sun Nov 23 2014 1:46 pm EST

Kessel is a wing. Why, are we making trades again? We won last game. Thought we only cleaned house after SO losses lol. Anyway, think this is team we get till some snowy Feb day when we deal JT-for-JT. ;)

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 1:36 pm EST

anybody have an access code? looks like a great read and very pertinent to SATHER! http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11893914/why-phil-kessel-type-deals-involving-future-first-round-picks-worth-nhl

schneidw


Sun Nov 23 2014 1:33 pm EST

R47 I'd give them jt jitters for dubi due... And I'm no fan of dubi as Td well knows... Jt jitters has an nhl phobia... When has ever played for the nyr like he does for Hartford?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 1:00 pm EST

Maybe the big club just had the wrong read & or expectations of him..

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:50 pm EST

4th attempt. Being Pack's Mr Everything is meaningless. It needs to translate. Remarkable little has for Miller. Think NYR patience has grown thin. His camp was a BIG letdown when club needed him.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:38 pm EST

IMO, it’s time to bring him back up, play him LW with Moore & Fast on the 4th. Brings speed, up’s the offensive potential of that line, & you have two guys to take a face-off. Moore's a smart guy, could be a good influence for the kid/s....

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:23 pm EST

stevie: Wasn't Miller on the Columbus "must have" list for Nash before Sather said he was untouchable (at least at that point in time). Also recall hearing that there were rumors that several other clubs came asking about Miller in that time period....

Ranger47


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:22 pm EST

TD, check your email....

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:08 pm EST

Oh...and before I forget, I want to bring us back to this hilarious comparison between MILLER and Derek ARMSTRONG of all people...Seen both play and in no way did Armstrong ever have the talent Miller does...he was a solid player...totally unspectacular...sort of like Chris BOURQUE...those guys are AHL lifers...Miller has the talent to be much more...I sound like a broken record, but you can't watch the Pack and come our with a different assessment...Guys like the lifers...they kind of blend into the play...don't stand out one way or another...Miller...not so...every shift that kid is making something happen...and stevielegs...again...I'd watch calling a 21-year-old kid 'an AHL lifer'...kind of setting yourself up for failure there.

tdchi


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:03 pm EST

mf - I hang Toronto's demise on three things: First and foremost, PHANEUF, who just sucks...can't pay that guy what he's making and have him be as quiet as he's been on offense...second, poor roster management...LEAFS were a goalie away from making the jump after 2013...but you look at how they've tweaked their roster since...and while they improved greatly with BERNIER...man, they just haven't be able to hold together good forward lines or more importantly, anchor their defense....and third, I'd say, is poor drafting...I think it's safe to say they lost the KESSEL deal...but ultimately, I'm not sure if they had the haul they gave up for him that they'd be in any different position than they are now.

tdchi


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:02 pm EST

that might not be good news for the nyr.....if jt jitters is #1......someday he will prove tdchi right.....hopefully......so far he's working on being a career ahler for the nyr.....with an occasional callup......probably veenyo's don't fit list.....guess sather will put his name on the trading table if any teams asks, unless he has him on his no way list...doubtful........haven't heard any rumors of the 29 teams ever demanding him to be included.....not a good sign....someday someway.....get on the bus already......guess who's driving......

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:56 am EST

Here's your latest Pack report: Boys had a rough one against Providence on Friday...I start talking up there offense and what happens? Bam...the guns start misfiring...The 'L' against the P-Bruins was particularly painful, because they actually played a very good game...just the offense couldn't fire up and the Bruins' goalie stood on his head...Remember that talk we had about not dealing away your late round picks? Well, this kid PASTRNAK for the Bruins? He's the real deal. Don't really understand how he's in the AHL as an 18-year-old, but he's gonna be a star...Bruins got him 25th overall...and I'm surprised he's not in the NHL...turnovers wrecked that game...and the Pack defense was once again awful...KRISTO played a pretty good game...MILLER too...but defense was just awful...they bucked up for the game against the Sound Tigers...really buttoned up on defense...Josh NICHOLLS got a promotion from the ECHL, but had a quiet game...McCARTHY grabbed some pine next to MALONE...HAGGERTY is in a bit of a rough patch right now...just isn't getting the shots he needs to start producing offense...and really has been playing quietly otherwise...McILRATH and BODIE are being paired together as a top pairing...Can be a train-wreck(see: Providence game) or can be great(see: Sound Tigers game)...Pack went down one, tied it up and carried play to overtime...Miller set up Bodie for a sweet goal to clinch it in the end...SKAPSKI has continued to play really strong. Gave up a stinker on Friday, but was incredible last night.

tdchi


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:56 am EST

Should Toronto's demise be blamed on Kessel? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4976

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:39 am EST

Oh on MALONE...he's been a healthy scratch all weekend. If that gives you an idea where he is on the depth chart...if the Rangers want a net crasher, they should give VAIVE a shot...I suspect Malone's career, at least as a Ranger, is nearing a conclusion.

tdchi


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:37 am EST

RR - JT MILLER is, bar none, the most talented Ranger prospect in North America who is not in the NHL currently...you can say I'm blowing that out of proportion...but if you watch the Pack, there's no doubt about it...when that team wins, Miller is in the middle of the scoring...even when they lose(see: Providence game Friday), he's consistently the guy who is making plays...It's not just one game, it's literally every game I've seen so far this season...when stuff is happening for the Pack, it's Miller who is either starting it or in the middle of it. Now break my stones as much as you want, but that's a cold hard fact: There's no one in Hartford that has the same package that kid provides...And while I haven't seen a lot of the CHL prospects, none of them are doing what Miller does at the professional level...Say what you want about him making the NHL...I know he will...You seem to be basing your opinion on three games this season when this whole team was a clusterf@ck...and you're free to rush to judgment...My advice to you: I wouldn't write off a 21-year-old kid with the raw talent of Miller unless you enjoy eating a supersized plate of crow....You ask anyone who watches him, it's not a matter of WHETHER he'll make the NHL, it's a matter of WHEN...and secondary, what position...and ultimately if it'll be on the Rangers...I stand steadfast in my belief that he'll eventually end up the Rangers' third-line center, simply by virtue of the fact he's a puck distributor who likes to control the play...he IS the Pack's PPQB...and it's a role that fits him very well...in the AHL, he's dominant in the faceoff circle...easily the Pack's best man in the circle...and while it's nice Brooksie takes up the wall banter again, there's a reason he's at center...I keep saying that...and it's not because the Rangers envision him on the wing...I tell you what: Miller's future may very well hinge on what kind of season STEPAN has, because there's a good chance either he or BRASSARD ends up on another team by next season...simple cap reality...One Brooks didn't even bother addressing...So say what you will about him...but I suspect you're talking largely out your ass if you're basing your opinion on what he's done in his few brief appearances in the NHL...Now if you want to say the Rangers should have kept ANISIMOV or DUBINSKY instead of Miller, I'm not going to bother with that argument, since the Jackets clearly didn't want another prospect...they wanted NHLers. So let's rejoin reality...and the reality here is that Miller will get his chance in the NHL...just a matter of time. Can't watch the kid regularly and come up with any other conclusion unless you don't know what you're looking at...now if the Rangers DO move Miller to wing, it won't change the fact that he's the Rangers top North American prospect not in the NHL...I like the guys in Hartford, but again...you can't watch that team and come away with the notion that a guy like HAGGERTY has leaped over Miller in the depth department....BUCHNEVICH? He's playing hockey on another continent...IVERSON? Really? His tightest competition on wing outside of DUCLAIR --who I still believe will land in juniors by the new year --is FAST, a talented player in his own right, but not as talented as Miller.

tdchi


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:32 am EST

Hartford scratches him, and he should be up with US? no thanks

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:31 am EST

Have to think Shanny wishes he had Seguin and Hamilton instead

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:30 am EST

MF, someone said Malone was scratched in HTFD. Not sure if he's hurt, but you're right, he should be with us.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:29 am EST

Kessel is undeniably a first-line center, and still 27 (even though he looks like 37) but where has his point-per-game seasons got the Maple Leafs, ever?

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:13 am EST

Malone should be dressed for tonight's game, starting 4th line with Glass & Moore. Just an armchair GM' POV......

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:11 am EST

Is Kessel available?

mf


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:11 am EST

rf don't think they would do that in Montreal not even in French.... 8 hours until kicking some hab nots asses.......hopefully....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 11:02 am EST

"Of course, the Yankees had Derek Jeter as the face of the franchise for the last 19 years. They’ve had Brian Cashman as general manager since 1998. The Yankees embrace the pressure. The Leafs, who have had Burke and/or Phaneuf for about the last half-decade, shrink from it like Costanza after he has been in the pool." http://nypost.com/2014/11/22/leaderless-rudderless-maple-leafs-raking-up-the-rancor/

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:51 am EST

Be interesting to see if Montreal goes after J.Moore, Kreider or even Lundqvist?

hipcheck


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:50 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/11/22/rangers-nash-on-pace-for-first-career-50-goal-season/

Messier11


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:29 am EST

RF4L -- love that video!

JFC31


Sun Nov 23 2014 10:13 am EST

guess luci-c giving a cross check to the head before getting rocked is ok by the nhl....he should be suspended and concussed.....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:25 am EST

BTW, at the risk of inciting a flame war against myself, I gotta say I think this year, finally, the Islanders might be for real.

RF4L


Sun Nov 23 2014 9:21 am EST

For my American friends who have been understandably annoyed with your anthem got booed by ignorant Canadians..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSaHRd4Q48&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1

RF4L


Sun Nov 23 2014 8:14 am EST

Bob McKenzie, of TSN, to Mike Milbury, bloviating on the NBC Sports Network about how he wishes he could have started his front office career as a team president, the way Shanahan has: “So do the New York Islanders.”.............http://nypost.com/2014/11/22/leaderless-rudderless-maple-leafs-raking-up-the-rancor/

stevielegs


Sun Nov 23 2014 12:43 am EST

True, the future doesnt look brighter for JT at wing. Not with competition from guys like Duclair & Haggerty and Bucnevich and even Keenan Iverson down the road, if we're talking about depth banging wingers. Only Duclair plays the left, maybe Miller eventually works his way in there. But Kreider & Hags are taking up 50% of that left side for a long time hopefully, so its tight. Not to mention Nash as longcas he lines up there. Hate to pick on JT, though I do a pretty good job Lol. But this is why back yovthe Nash deal I wished we'd have given them Miller & kept Anisimov, who would still be a great fit for us.even keeping Dubinsky, another knucklehead (and another least fav or mine; but at least he always throws his weight around.) wouldve been preferable, though CBJs wanted him & prob dont make the deal without.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 22 2014 11:45 pm EST

Barring injury, trade or suspension

Messier11


Sat Nov 22 2014 10:38 pm EST

As someone who likes Miller and believes he has something meaningful to offer the future of this club, there's no room for him right now, while Glass, Stempniak, Duclair, Hayes are playing the way they are, and while we have Brass, MSL, Nash, Hags, MZA, Moore. Obv, Stepan, Kreider here likely for life

Messier11


Sat Nov 22 2014 4:55 pm EST

Hospo -- consider the Lucic TKO video your, "welcome back" present....I've watched it at least 5 times, LOL! Here's the CBJ broadcast of the TKO....better angles and a nice close-up of Lucic getting clocked and his knees buckling....then he throws his glove at Prout like a petulant child. Too funny....couldn't happn to a nicer guy. He's a bully and a punk. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMJXkv1AxvY

JFC31


Sat Nov 22 2014 3:33 pm EST

RF4L--You are correct, of course. They get all indignant when somebody pushes back. If anyone dares to hit Chara, he goes directly for the head and never gets called for it. Edwards and Brickley are in on it, calling the Bruin cheap shots simply "Bruin hockey." Here is the funny thing to me, their biggest rival these days is Montreal. That pits the goon squad against the divers. I enjoy watching their games, but I cannot stand either team.

Bob


Sat Nov 22 2014 3:27 pm EST

There's no denying its one of the more beautiful pieces of video you'll ever see.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 22 2014 3:21 pm EST

Now you folks got me going! Give it up for "Bobby!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhVLjCC3KBA

pa.rangersfan


Sat Nov 22 2014 3:18 pm EST

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/dalton-prout-drops-milan-lucic-with-one-punch--video-031341541.html, Just in case someone hasn't seen it. And agree with others; Why not The Undertaker?

pa.rangersfan


Sat Nov 22 2014 3:03 pm EST

Bob: Lucic epitomizes the big suckhole attitude the Bruins expouse: They run around trying to intimidate opposing teams and players (and all too often succeed) but if anyone dares attempt a similar tactic on them, they behave like their very being has been violated. Lucic got all annoyed and sucky because Prout slashed the stick out of his hands (and it almost looks inadvertent at that) and responds with a double glove shot to the side of Prout's head. How utterly typical. Then when he gets smucked in the face and dropped to the ice like the sack of shit he is and the officials step in, he starts carrying on like a spoiled child, throwing his gloves around. What a total jackass. Too bad Prout didn't throw another punch when he had that asshole on his knees - that's something Lucic would do.

RF4L


Sat Nov 22 2014 2:53 pm EST

How come Prout can play on the BJ's backline but McI can't do so on the Rangers? AV sure can be a stubborn nob.

RF4L


Sat Nov 22 2014 2:50 pm EST

RR: "Our boys" don't play like that and good thing. It's shameful and lacks integrity. Unfortunately, those tactics contributed significantly to their cup win a few years back. But you're right when you say what goes around comes around and IMO it does, one way or another, for 99% of us, including professional athletes. And mark my words - sooner or later, Marchand will get what is so due to him. He's been allowed to carry on like he has because of the thugs he's been playing with. Slowly, but surely, however, that aspect of the Bruins is dissipating. I cannot wait until someone maims him. I will enjoy it immensely.

RF4L


Sat Nov 22 2014 2:24 pm EST

My new favorite non-Ranger is Dalton Prout. I just saw the video. After Lucic takes a shot at his head from behind, they square off and Prout drops the big clown with one punch. Absolutely wonderful. Then Lucic throws a tantrum afterward. Love it.

Bob


Sat Nov 22 2014 2:02 pm EST

I really enjoy the videos on our main Ranger site but what's up with the blue bar "Powered by Generator" right across the screen ? Does anyone know how to get rid of that stupid bar...........Thanks.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 22 2014 1:00 pm EST

rf4l and a concussion.....hope he's seeing double and is dizzy for a few months.....

stevielegs


Sat Nov 22 2014 12:16 pm EST

What goes around comes around, almost always. Ok, maybe only sometimes. But wishing injuries tempts the hockey gods to give it to our guys!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 22 2014 11:48 am EST

Someone should do Marxhand a favor and re-set his nose. It can't get any worse

Messier11


Sat Nov 22 2014 11:26 am EST

And love the video of Lucic getting his. I hope his jaw/cheekbone/orbital bones are all broken. Next up, I hope, is that asshole Marchand. Someone needs to maim him.

RF4L


Sat Nov 22 2014 11:25 am EST

The Pack suck. Again.

RF4L


Sat Nov 22 2014 11:01 am EST

In Campanis-speak, he hasnt got the faculties.haha. Said it all summer too, dont confuse the kid moe. Idk what they were thinking up the middle. Clark said Kristo was going to switch, then he never did. Step got hurt, Lombardi bailed, etc. Be fair to the kid is all. Thought it obvious last year he wasnt good in the middle.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Nov 22 2014 10:18 am EST

WILD = Not gonna get in a competition with you but you are by far not the only one...I've wanted him at wing for ages around here.....doesn't mean he can't be a center one day but right now Wing is an easier assignment until he gets his confidence up..and let's him use his physical abilities better

Hospo


Sat Nov 22 2014 10:14 am EST

JFC - As Jeff Healy said in the unforgettable "ROADHOUSE"..."His name's Dalton!"!!...And I'm sure LUcic was saying "Pain don't hurt"!..Thanks for the link..

Hospo


Sat Nov 22 2014 10:12 am EST

I have been saying for some time that if Miller has a future with the Rangers it's on wing. Others like Brooks are saying that now, and according to him the org is thinking about making that switch with JT as well. I just hope they do that soon. I also didn't realize he only played 6 of 30 games at center last year....it seems he should have been moved permanently in camp.

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