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Thu May 26 2016 11:27 pm EST

WIOSA...here is my pecking order of hate .......... Isles ---> Flyers ---> Pens --> NJD ---> Bruins --> Caps

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 10:51 pm EST

HOSPO...lmao..I know, Im trying to be nice. LOL. Why did it have to be the Penguins? Well, it wouldve been worse had it been the Islanders to be honest or the miserable Flyers. Still, why the Penguins? Sheesh. Let's go San Jose!

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 10:33 pm EST

WIOSA - SCREW HAGELIN!!!!, he's a damn Penguin!!!...Nah, I hear ya

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 10:31 pm EST

TRADE - Was thinking the same thing..Sully had the forwards checking, blocking shots and plying offense non stop...Thi year, the Ranger forwards couldn't give two shits about anything but offense..Well, excet for Quickie..:)

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 10:31 pm EST

Well that sux. Congratulations to Murray,,a young goalie who is going to the SCF,,and of course to Haggy.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 10:27 pm EST

Cooper on post game show asked what the difference was between Pens and TB.....his response....."They are fast....also they block a lot of shots".........Sullivan took the Torts Rangers and merged it with AV 2014

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 10:22 pm EST

BTW, damn was I wrong about DROUIN...I thought the guy was only a passer....but the kid is the entire package..and is going to be a huge star...if he was avaiable this past season, the rest of the NHL missed the boat........And, I really miss Brian Boyle as a Ranger..althuugh I feel he wouldn't be Smugholio's cup of tea

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 10:07 pm EST

RHET - Johanssen is younger than Step and much higher ceiling offensively so I think the Rangers won't get as much for Step as that offer but thamtch and need is there and why I though Brodin (or Dumba) and Coyle instead....but maybe Rangers throw in somebody else to get that offer.....Also , I made two mst on the Brooks article before anybody and the only thing I didn't mention was STAMKOS!! No way does it happen..18-20 mill on two players....Tor will do it..

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 10:06 pm EST

Rhet: If that offer is there for Stepan, Gorther should be executed on sight if he turns it down.

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 10:05 pm EST

Only saw the 3rd period - agreed that too much fancy pants stuff from Tampa. The Sharks will win the cup is my prediction.

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 10:03 pm EST

TB had too any players doing the Ranger thing and trying to be too pretty...That won't be the case with SJ and guys like JUmbo, Marleau, and Joel Ward who have waited a long time....Here's hoping POLAK breaks Crosby's ankle..

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 10:01 pm EST

Hate the effin pens and their scumbag fans.....but they played their asses off..and were the better team....Too bad, TB had one hand tied behind it's back without Stamkos..But, them's the breaks.....The only good ghing is that I now have a team to root for in the CUp finals...GO SHARKS.....please, please, please,,,hurt Crosby....or Malkin

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 9:57 pm EST

KIS , i would take Crosby in a wood chipper before i would take him in a Rangers jersey....He is a shitbag

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 9:56 pm EST

As I have stated for a long long time. You don't need a 9 million dollar goalie to get to the cup. I guess fleury is done in Pitt

KIS


Thu May 26 2016 9:55 pm EST

Rhet....the Sharks have zero chance......Hags is in full effect

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 9:54 pm EST

Trade... The Sharks deserve more respect than that.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 9:54 pm EST

TB Lightning douchebag smug coach Jon Cooper 0 Cups .......Matt Murray 1 (future Cups)

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 9:51 pm EST

Mike Fuckin Sullivan, NYR's former power play specialist 1 (future Cups) to Henrik 0

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 9:51 pm EST

The Lightning are the NY Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 9:50 pm EST

Matt Cullen, the NYR's former $4MM 3rd line center 1 (future Cups) to Henrik 0

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 9:47 pm EST

Hagelin 1 future Cups - Henrik 0

TradeStar28


Thu May 26 2016 9:46 pm EST

Accrding to Michael Russo(Minneapolis StarTribune).... The Minnesota Wild offered Jonas Brodin and Nino Niederreiter for Ryan Johansen. They might be willing to do the same for Stepan.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 9:24 pm EST

Who the hell is rust? Everybody might complain about crybaby on this site but I would trade the whole ranger team for him. He does so many things well

KIS


Thu May 26 2016 9:11 pm EST

Bob: Yep, it's the world of Buttphuck....little Hitler without a doubt. I loath the man.

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 8:52 pm EST

York.... Even if the chance is only infinitesimal, it's still a chance until he sign's elsewhere :)

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:49 pm EST

Lousy call. Does (almost) everything go the Pens way?

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:44 pm EST

Rhet I told you then never going to happen same thing I'm saying now.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 8:35 pm EST

MF.... We aren't bad enough to draft that low yet. Trading for it can also be quite expensive. The best thing to do is sign a guy like Stamkos and then trade some of the depth for picks/players. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:31 pm EST

Horrible goal. A lot of deja vu there.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:21 pm EST

IMO, We need to find a way to lure or obtain some top 3 talent. What are our options? draft it, trade for it, sign it....

mf


Thu May 26 2016 8:16 pm EST

I think I'm going to become a Sharks fan for the next couple of weeks if this score holds.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:12 pm EST

I talk about Stamkos for weeks and not so much as a peep out of anyone. Brooks mentions Stamkos and no one can shut up about him. Lemmings.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:10 pm EST

MF Id love him here dont mistake my living in reality with what I dream about this team doing Stamkos isn't coming

York18


Thu May 26 2016 8:05 pm EST

Joe Thornton and Brett Burns are why playoff beards are ridiculous.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 8:05 pm EST

York18: Your 6:50 post can be an endorsement to go after Stamkos... I read that UFA talent on that level is not available for the next couple of years, and we're not drafting top 3 or 4 anytime soon. You made your feelings about Stammer coming to NY known, I'm saying that Stammer to NY is a natural consideration given our state of affairs...

mf


Thu May 26 2016 7:46 pm EST

TD don't bother Andrei really goes off the road a lot of the times in his posts with zero sense to back up anything he says Gernander sucks and is the problem in his mind and AV should be given NHL ready 60-70 point players the second they step into the lineup because he shouldn't have to groom or help bring players along.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 7:07 pm EST

andrei - Gernander-coached NHLers - Korpikoski, Dubinsky, Callahan, Girardi, Parenteau, Anisimov, Wiese, Sauer, Talbot, Zuccarello, McDonagh, Hagelin, McIlrath, Marchessault, Kreider, Miller, Fast, Lindberg, and now Sjkei...That's not a bad resume at all...I suspect he'll have a couple more from this year's crop too...and sure, a few of these guys are first rounders...but that doesn't mean squat...the only guy who was more or less a sure shot to make the NHL was McD...Just to put this into perspective, here are the NHLers the Pens have graduated from Wilkes-Barre over that period of time: Depres, Bortuzzo, Joe Vitale, Beau Bennett, Murray, Kuhnhackl(who has half an NHL season), Rust(again, half an NHL season), and Sheary(half an NHL season too)...That's eight...and that's if you honestly think the last three are going to remain in the NHL(I don't)...And Wilkes-Barre have had seven different coaches during the same time Gernarder was coach. Does that put it in perspective at all?

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 7:04 pm EST

Holy Shit...STAMKOS in the lineup...

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 6:55 pm EST

Sounds like a fishboy fry.... Hope the Capt fugitive parmenter is really on that list ... They can get a good return for him if fishboy is worth his salt water...the more guys they trade though the more secure weeknow's job becomes with his work in progress bs... All those two want to do is too protect their phony baloney jobs... Fire them all jimmyboy .... Or you'll have knick hockey ...

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 6:50 pm EST

I like thinking that wholesale major change can be made but the reality is this and many of us don't want to admit it. The whole of this team is better than the sum of its parts. They have played well as a team, but none of these guys are all star go to guys, they are all second tier guys when grouped together play very well, and I don't think that goes unnoticed by other teams and that's why Talbot didn't bring back much, nor did Hags because teams already buy into the theory that they aren't as good apart and will not pay high for anyone.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 6:02 pm EST

In case you don't want to copy & paste.....The past five seasons have been successful ones for the New York Rangers, with eight playoff series victories, three conference final appearances and one Eastern Conference championship, but a woeful showing in the first round this post-season has left the potential for major changes in New York this off-season. Heading into the summer, the Rangers have only seven forwards and five defensemen from their playoff roster locked up to contracts for the upcoming season, and even those currently under contract could be on the move. According to the New York Post’s Larry Brooks, the only players who are certain to stay are Henrik Lundqvist, defenseman Brady Skjei and rookie Pavel Buchnevich. Outside of that trio, though, Brooks reported the Rangers are “prepared to listen to offers for everyone.” It might seem inconceivable, but that means the Rangers could be saying goodbye to captain Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan, Derick Brassard, Mats Zuccarello and, yes, Rick Nash this off-season. That said, the price will have to be right for the Rangers to move out their top talent. Make no mistake, this isn’t a firesale for the Rangers where the best offer takes the Blueshirts’ best players. There’s no pressing need to move the likes of Zuccarello, Brassard, Stepan or McDonagh, but New York GM Jeff Gorton could be seeing his roster as one that is about to enter a transition period. It’s not hard to understand why Gorton would want to restock the cupboards, either, because after five deep runs in the post-season the Rangers are just about depleted in terms of top-tier prospects. In THN’s Future Watch 2016 issue, a panel of scouts ranked the Rangers ranked dead last terms of their strength of prospects. Only one player, Buchnevich, ranked among the top-75 prospects. The Los Angeles Kings, Calgary Flames and Buffalo Sabres were the only other teams to have one prospect in the top 75. It’s not necessarily that the Rangers have drafted poorly so much as the cost of making three consecutive deep post-season runs has cost New York valuable draft picks come the trade deadline. Since drafting Skjei 28th overall at the 2012 draft, the earliest the Rangers have drafted is 41st at the 2015 draft. In 2014 the Rangers’ first pick came at 59 and in 2013 they didn’t select a single player until the third round, 65th overall. At three consecutive deadlines, the Rangers have dealt away major picks. In 2014, two first-round picks were sent to Tampa Bay to acquire Martin St. Louis, 2015 saw first- and second-round picks traded to Arizona for Keith Yandle and the Rangers gave up two second-rounders for Eric Staal at this past deadline. That’s no way to build up a stock of prospects that can carry you into the future, but Gorton could have the opportunity to land picks and prospects if he moves out some talent at or before the draft. It had already been reported that the Rangers could attempt to move out Nash, but Brooks says it’s not expected a Nash trade would open up room for them to acquire top free agent Steven Stamkos. The Rangers, Brooks reports, aren’t likely to be top bidders for the Tampa Bay Lightning sniper’s services. With all the players who could move, though, one familiar face will likely be back after a disappointing year. Defenseman Dan Girardi has not been asked by the Rangers to waive his no-movement clause, Brooks reported, nor will New York buyout the remaining four years and $22 million of the contract.

RF73


Thu May 26 2016 6:00 pm EST

I used to dump on LB, now I appreciate him more.... Many times its too coincidental that topics here on the Wall find their way into print out in the real world... Me thinks it confirms the credibility of the topics here... Go Larry Go!

mf


Thu May 26 2016 5:59 pm EST

Bettman's NHL. The NHL makes Tampa cancel their fan fest viewing party tonight at the request of the ratings-challenged NBC Sports. So the 800-1000 people who would have come now will have to watch on cable instead. What a complete joke the NHL is.

Bob


Thu May 26 2016 5:57 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/eight-simple-rules-for-building-a-stanley-cup-contender/

mf


Thu May 26 2016 5:56 pm EST

MF - Running with the Brooks article!..People can say what they want about Brooks, but people read him and at least take him semi serieously....I truly beleive the Ranger (Gorton) will indeed be willing to trade almost anybody but with a bunch of caveats such as..1) the end result can still compete for the Cup; 2) Not more than 1 D-man will be dealt; 3) If Step is dealt, Brass stays or visa versa.....Gorton will be one busy man this summer

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 5:45 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-rangers-willing-to-part-with-mcdonagh-stepan-brassard-for-right-price/

mf


Thu May 26 2016 5:00 pm EST

TD, I was attempting to call your attention to the article mentioning the possibility Fl. would move one of their other centers....

mf


Thu May 26 2016 4:53 pm EST

TD: how many times have we seen phantom calls go the Penguins way? Here's an opportunity to reign in the zebras if they try to overlook a clear offside.. Just last game the refs gave a questionable call for a check in the neutral zone against the Bolts in the first period, which then lead to a 5 on 3 resulting in a sh goal setting the tone for the outcome... I'm not a fan of this rule, however I want a way to counter the refs when they tilt the ice....

mf


Thu May 26 2016 4:47 pm EST

TD again if it's being done five times in a game then hood because that official clearly is a problem in that game for some reason and the league should investigate. I also will say again you are blowing this way beyond what goes on to seem correct. Show me one game where one coach used it three times and I aw your post to vic and I'll answer that as well those scenarios were crap because one resulted in a goal because the official blew the call while the other was a blown call that negated a scoring chance HUGE difference. And finally you're hung up on this timeout bullshit and it has nothing to do with it actually your solution breeds the very situation you're complaining can happen. A s the rule is currently practiced you only get one chance to be wrong while your solution provides an infinite number of chances to be wrong......WIOSA I have been a fan of jumbo since he was in Jr and he always shouldered the blame for the sharks so I just hope he wins. Plus I don't want cally and crew winning the cup. On gropp I'd be shocked if he made the team but here is the reality the opportunity is there and the only one stopping him from making the team is himself. ............guys like the rules always state in general conversation at a party no religeon or politics to be discussed And remember I'm the a-hole of the board play nice.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 4:22 pm EST

WIOSA - Others know the rules better than me, but I think he was only eligble for Juniors (Seattle of the WHL) or the NHL and not Hartford in the AHL..Kinda the same problem we had with Del Zero a few years ago and Duclair two years ago....

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 4:16 pm EST

Kind of realized this about IVERSON...but didn't realize Ryan MANTHA and Richard NEJEZCHLEB were also on this list...that's a 2014 third, fourth and fifth rounder the Rangers are poised to lose/give up on: pic.twitter.com/Rr7Eb8wcq4

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 4:16 pm EST

HOSPO, I too am glad he's showing confidence, but, curious why he's playing in Seattle - why isnt he in Hartford?

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:55 pm EST

mf - Regarding GUDBRANSON, I can't really say. McCANN can play center or wing. And the Canucks were pretty high on him from what I understand. Don't know much about him...can say that Gudbranson, while not a bust, certainly isn't panning out as a franchise player. Sounds like the Panthers kind of cut and run on that one...got a good winger prospect...but you want to know what's a little more interesting...the Kitties will have a lot of vacancies on their blue line. Me thinks they could be one of the teams that will overpay YANDLE...

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 3:54 pm EST

WIOSA - Gropp might think he's ready, but he's likely to need AT LEAST another two years...Good that he has the confidence though, but it ain't easy to make it to the NHL..

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 3:46 pm EST

In the latest interview Gropp said he is ready for prime time. Hmmm, Not a fan of minor league hockey, but if memory serves me correctly, the Rangers were questioned about signing such a project so early in the draft. That was only a season ago...is he ready?

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:43 pm EST

...although nothing the Rangers do lately would surprise me.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:43 pm EST

TD thank you.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:41 pm EST

Did Hillary Clinton get signed by the Rangers or something?

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 3:41 pm EST

MF, get over yourself....YORK, truth be told I wanted St Louis to win. Felt bad that they were so badly outplayed in the last 3 games. Oh well. Now I just need the Bolts to win this.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:39 pm EST

York - What I'm trying to say is I see this challenge thing as a slippery slope...that it could get way out of hand. Yeah, I understand that a coach only gets one chance to be wrong. But you can easily see a scenario where you can have three, four maybe even five challenges depending on what way the wind is blowing during the review. I mean, some of the goals that were waved off this past season were really a toss up...even though the rule says you need to have definitive proof...I'd be much happier if there were a penalty like with the stick challenges...Still wouldn't like it, but at least it make coaches think a little harder before lodging a challenge. The way it is now, it's just spending your time out. If the call goes your way? Bonus! Where's the risk there?

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 3:37 pm EST

WIOSA, you can gfy... You know jack shit about the Nazi's or what they've done, or, you would not use neo Nazi in your dialogue... Run along now...

mf


Thu May 26 2016 3:34 pm EST

Vic - I don't want to beleuger this much further, because obviously I disagree with a number folks here and no amount of discussion will change my mind(or anyone elses)...but let's take another example. Let's take that play and put it into the last minute and a half of a tie game...Tampa pins the Penguins down in their own zone. Pens are dead tired. Tampa scores with a second left on the clock. Pens challenge the original offsides...they get the goal reversal AND what amounts to a free timeout during the review...AND the clock gets rolled back a minute and a half AND they get a chance to win the game again. Who the F is that fair? Answer: It ain't. .Oh...and let me bring up another scenario: Tampa is coming down the ice on a the 3-on-1...Drouin, instead of lifting his skate, has it drag along the blueline...ref screws up and whistles the play offsides. What can Tampa do? Challenge the call? Nope. Not a reviewable play because there was no goal. So even though there was a good chance they would have scored, they get screwed by a blown call... Refs blow calls all the time. Some go in your favor. Some go the other way. They balance out in the end...sometimes the refs themselves balance the calls out. Coach's challenge is chipping away at that balance...teams used it almost EXCLUSIVELY for goaltender interference violations/no goal calls during the season. Then this playoffs, they've been using them just about every time there's a goal on the rush where there's even an inkling of a thought the play could have been offsides. The benches have access to those cameras and while everyone is celebrating a goal, they're reviewing and reviewing...I can't see how anyone like that, but whatever...

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 3:34 pm EST

dyslexia? I dont have dyslexia. Everyone has a mother - I dont want to hear it...not on this site Dont "try" to keep politics off this site Do IT.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:30 pm EST

td i would have no problem with a minor being given if you lose the challenge, they do it when a team asks for a stick check on the opposing team, if they're wrong. I also thing you're blowing this way out of proportion with every 5 min they will check. Another thing you don't seem to comprehend for some reason is if you make a challenge and are wrong you don't get another one, if you're making one every 5 min that means the officials are really messing up because if they were not messing up the coach would have lost his timeout and not been able to make another challenge. I see nothing wrong with fixing mistakes if said mistakes are deciding the game and that's when these challenges are being made something you just don't seem to want to accept.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 3:20 pm EST

WIOSA: I have a mom, two sisters, a wife, and am all for woman's rights..... Your dyslexia flaring up? Hillary does for Hillary, get your eyes checked, may save someone on the road..... wink wink... I'll keep the political stuff off this wall as best as possible..... You're not out of line in my book on this topic, maybe you just don't want to accept what you don't want to see or hear......... Let's go Rangers!!!

mf


Thu May 26 2016 3:12 pm EST

York - I've been bitching about the coach's challenge all season. And the offsides? Since the beginning of the playoffs, when this practice got commonplace. It's not just the Pens that have been doing this...And like I said...it has nothing to do with the Pens. It's my opinion. I love hockey. I hate watching baseball and football for many reasons, but among them is this garbage with instant replay. Why have refs/umps if you're going to rely on a camera? To me, this whole bullshit with the challenge is a goddamn gimmick akin to the glowing puck. If they really want to keep it, then it should be a two-minute minor for delay of game for a failed challenge, not lose a timeout. Make coaches put the game on the line if they're going to slow the game like that...Don't agree? Fine. See how much you like these new rules when every five minutes we're stopping the game for a video review.

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 3:11 pm EST

MF, I am far from a Hillary Clinton fan, that said, I am a feminist and resent your reducing her dangers/assets to appearance. The first two times you posted about the political Left ..I ignored it. I am a fan of this site being politcally neutral. You want to spew your neo nazi bullshit, please go to a political site. If Im off base here my friends, please let me know.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 3:08 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAEphHf0P-c

mf


Thu May 26 2016 2:59 pm EST

Sure looked like the Sharks played all 3 zones to me... Where's "E?"... They held Tarasenko scoreless until the 3rd period of the deciding game, they're doing something right..........................OAN, Dumba, Brodin, Charlie Coyle? sign me up...... Hospo, are you planning on moving Girardi or Staal the other way too? (hope so) .................. OAN, better hope Edmonton doesn't sign Stamkos, because they will be the next dynasty if they do... They move RNH, they have plenty of Cap Room, adjust their defense by one or two guys, and "look out" as Steely Dan says in Bodhisattva........ They can even protect all the right pieces if the expansion is approved...... I'm still not convinced that the NYR have closed the door on Stammer.....

mf


Thu May 26 2016 2:48 pm EST

The Sharks have surprised all POs long and although I'll readily admit I've not watched all their games, I have seen enough lately to agree with Hospo: They've been consistent in their effort and output. I also believe they are more talented than any of their opponents and that includes skating and why they've triumphed so far. I think they will be a formidable foe for either team that wins tonight. That first line is dynamite (Jumbo Joe, Pavelski and Hertl) but behind them is the leading scorer of the POs - Logan Couture. Now add to that the very impressive Brent Burns (top defenseman). I hope they win.

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 2:39 pm EST

Also, regarding the BROOKS article, if what he is hinting at is correct, Girardi will be a Ranger but likely a 2nd/3rd pair type (behind Klein and maybe somebody TBD)---which to me, might endanger Mcilrah..I still think Mcilrathe ends up getting traded this off-season..and, no York18 :), not becasue I don't like him but becasue of what I think AV will want.,.

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 2:22 pm EST

VIC - Not sensitive and don't think you think the Sharks suck....but sounded to me like you were kinda dismissing the Sharks opponent s and making the pens/Bolts out to be word beaters..Personally, I think the Pens and Bolts have been playing pretty inconsistent hockey compared to the Sharks....I don't think there's much of a speed difference at all between those two and the Sharks....It's almost all about TEAM play now, not individual speed, that make the teams quick and hard to beat..The Sharks have it,..as do the Pens and Bolts, mot of the time.....Either way, will be a boring series..

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 2:20 pm EST

When Boston Market went public that is.......

mf


Thu May 26 2016 2:19 pm EST

Chicken ay? Reminds me back in the early 90's when they went public.. The line on the street was that they were coming out with the Hillary Clinton special: 2 fat thighs, 2 small breasts, 2 left wings, all for $4.95 and $5.00 tax........ ha ha ha ha, oh yeah, Let's go Rangers

mf


Thu May 26 2016 2:17 pm EST

MF - Just making sure! There is a time when you make age (younger) a deciding factor, but not when you want to try and win a Cup..All about ability and role, not age...OTOH, I'm not sure I know which way the Rangers will be going this off season.....We shall see........You put up the link for the BROOKS article mentioning STEP as possible trade foodder, surprised it hasn't been talked about becasue I also think it's a distinct possibility for a significant trade,,.and could see a match with guy like Brodin/Dumba and Charlie Coyle

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 2:12 pm EST

YORK: Agreed, but I'd like to see some of the ex Rangers win it as well. Especially HAGS and BOYLE. Unfortunately they play for teams that I wish nothing but failure for.......

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 2:11 pm EST

HOSPO: I never said those team suck. Why are you so sensitive about it. Hell, all of those teams are probably better then the Rangers so........ Hey, it all comes down to how they matchup against eachother. I don't think the Sharks can skate with either team from the East. And that means that I don't think they can impose their will on the those teams like they have been able to do against the teams from the West. We will know soon enough. I wouldn't mind seeing SJ win at all. In fact I'd prefer it. I just don't think it is going to happen.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 2:01 pm EST

Hospo, absolutely sarcastic, just playing to keep it light on the wall.... .for this season I'm totally fine with trading a couple of guys for picks and plugging the holes with UFA's regardless of age

mf


Thu May 26 2016 1:56 pm EST

Yeah VIC, the Kings , Preds and Blues all suck and the Penguins/Bolts are powerhouses....Right now, the Sharks are as quick as any team in the POs....quick to the man, quick to the puck, contesting and winning everything....And it's not becasue of their flat our speed, it's becasue of how well they are playing as a team, particulary their "slow" forward and their tw way game....Same reason the Pens look so quick when their recipe works..

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 1:44 pm EST

Vic I agree but man I hope you're wrong I really want jumbo Joe to win a cup.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 1:40 pm EST

Vic youre right, I looked up the ruling, it says as long as the puck is still in play within the offensive zone. Mystery solved.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 1:34 pm EST

MF: So far the Sharks have played L.A., Nashville and St. Louis. None of them is known for being a fast team. Whoever they play in the Finals is going to be the fastest team they have seen in the playoffs.....by far. Lets see how they handle it. My money is on whoever comes out of the East. I think either of those teams can and will skate circles around San Jose.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 1:23 pm EST

guess jasper fast, cheesy, jt jitters, kidk, and more never played in Hartford....were they just passing through? ....

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 1:08 pm EST

MF we just get the wrong vets lol .....kis you got it

York18


Thu May 26 2016 1:04 pm EST

MF - And, just to be sure, that is sarcasm, right?

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 1:01 pm EST

KIS - But, you can make it out of chicken thighs not just breasts..:)

Hospo


Thu May 26 2016 12:55 pm EST

Hospooooo, Hope all is well by you. As I watched the Sharks eliminate the Blues, I re-checked 36 year old Jumbo Joe's stats to confirm he averaged a point per this season.... He's kept the pace through the playoffs too with 17 points in 17 contests.. Well now, doesn't that just blow a hole in your theory of adding aging vets to the lineup??? HA! ;-)

mf


Thu May 26 2016 12:41 pm EST

Yorkie your basically saying you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Boy do I know that feeling

KIS


Thu May 26 2016 12:15 pm EST

Andrei so I ask you again does team Germanys coach have no clue about hockey since they suck so bad at the national level, or is it because the country doesn't produce the talent level that is needed to compete? Well if its the latter then it's not the coaches fault, well Gernander sits in a similar boat.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 12:14 pm EST

ANDREI you ask the question that has already been answered again you can only produce what you are given, something that you don't seem to want to admit. I could also say they could have produced a number of fourth line players that AV didn't want to use because by your own admission he prefers vets. He could have used Hrvik he could have used Bourque brothers but he didn't he chose to use guys like Glass and other guys that were vets. Again you answer the question management is inept a coach can only produce to the talent he is given and he can't force the NHL coach to play someone he doesn't want to play, case in point McL he played his buddy Diaz who can't even make an NHL team before playing a kid and why because he prefers to play vets. but you want another example that you skipped over in your ridiculous post Jesper Fast. You want Gernander to produce something that isn't there, how is that possible and it's funny because you're the only one thinking this way, funny how people are agreeing with me and no one is agreeing with you I wonder why? Maybe because you have no clue to what has been playing down in Hartford all this time and you also aren't thinking about how many guys the Rangers every year sign to try out contracts only to let them go, you can't find that gem if you don't keep any around and if you watched Pack games you would know a lot of the roster is filled with career minor leaguers and whos fault is that?

York18


Thu May 26 2016 11:45 am EST

York, it feels like you don't read complete posts. I never said that development should solely lie on coaches shoulders. It wasn't even point i was making. Sather should take the lien share of the responsibility. That being said, in 8 years as a coach of the farm team, you would expect a better results then Zuk... I wasn't even talking about a top 6 player. How in 8 years, your farm team can not produce a 4th line grinder? So you are willing to blame everyone else, but not a G-Man? Seriously dude, you are kidding yourself. This whole organization management is completely inept. Starting with Sather and down the list.....

andrei


Thu May 26 2016 10:46 am EST

TD: We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one. To me, sports loses all integrity when things happen on the field/ice that are known to be incorrectly called but we are just going to let it go for the sake of flow or moving the game along. The human error factor in officiating is the worst part of all sports. To the extent that it can be removed it MUST be. In fact, so you know, I refuse to call any athletic event that is "judged" a sport. Gymnastics, figure skating, and anything else where the winner is decided based on a judge (or panel of judges) cannot be considered a sport no matter how athletic it is. And I refuse to watch anything that is judged. If it isn't decided on the field/ice etc. by the competitors within the rules of the game/sport I'm not interested.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 10:38 am EST

WIOSA: To my understanding it doesn't matter. The only possibility open to review is if a goal is scored by a team after entering the zone offside with the puck never having left the zone. If there is a stoppage of play with the puck still in the zone but no goal was scored there can be no review (in the case of a coach wanting to put more time on the clock). The goal has to be scored after the puck entered the zone illegally. If the puck leaves the zone for any reason the opportunity for review is gone. Let me throw a modified scenarios out. Suppose that Tampa had entered the zone illegally (as they did) but instead of scoring right away there was shot that was saved. The Pens took control of the puck and made two passes behind their goal before a GIRARDI like turnover occurred and they gave the puck back to Tampa who scored. The puck never left the zone after the illegal entry. In that case the goal would be disallowed even though the Pens had clear control of the puck for a time while it was in their end. The key is if the puck ever leaves the zone after the illegal entry. If it does then that play is no longer eligible for review. So Tampa couldn't ask for a review after the fact on their own player because as soon as the puck left the zone it was no longer eligible for review.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 10:18 am EST

TD you had no complaints all year about this till it cost your beloved bolts a goal against the team you want to lose so bad you can taste it. As WIOSA said no room for human error either it's obvious or the play stands......................WIOSA interesting, I'm not sure if they would just treat the play as if it was a delayed offsides since no goal was scored, but it you follow the letter of the rule which means the play should have been called dead and would have if the team that went offsides scored then they should also negate the goal going the other way as the player was offsides and the play should have been called dead. Very curious to say the least and would love to see it happen and their reactions.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 9:48 am EST

TD...as for humans evaluating the video...no. It's either clear, or the initial ruling stands. No ambiguity allowed. If the video does not CLEARLY show an offsides/goalie interference, or none, the original call on the ice stands.

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 9:42 am EST

Vic, that's not what Im saying. Im saying Jon would call a coaches challenge on his own player being offsides. In that scenario, with the Bolt being offsides, it negated the ensuing goal. Well, what if there was no goal? What if Kessel recovered it and skated it up ice (all players back..no offisides by the Pens) and scored on the rookie Bolt goalie? Now Im Jon, and I KNOW my player was offsides back at 2.06 of the game, and it was not whistled dead. The entire play shouldve been whistled dead at 2.06 of the game. It was not, and the Pens went on to recover the puck (all in one play) and scored. Now, can I say, coaches challenge, my player was offsides at 2.06 of the play and the turnover and subsequent goal never shouldve happened?

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 9:36 am EST

Vic - I have NEVER liked the coach's challenge. Hate the rule. Hate what it's doing to the game. Hate it video replay in the NFL and find it makes baseball even more unwatchable than it already is. Look, human error means you're going to get some calls wrong. But guess what? Who's assessing the video? Humans. So you still have errors. And if we have video replay on offsides and goals, then WTF...why not have them with penalties? Icing? Stupid stupid stupid. Slows the game down. Makes it a joke

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 9:22 am EST

WIOSA: No, I don't think so. It would essentially be the same as if the puck had come back out of the zone and brought back in onside by Tampa. If Tampa would have scored then it would have counted. In the scenario you are mentioning (the Pens recovering the puck after a save and taking it the other way for a goal) the Pens would have legally taken the puck the length of the ice and been onside. There is nothing they did that should have been called that directly led to a goal.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 9:08 am EST

WIOSA: That's an interesting scenario that I'll bet wasn't thought about when the challenge rule was introduced. If that's true, it's only a matter of time before it happens...

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 8:54 am EST

Vic,Yorkie,Bob, I agree with you guys..just get the call right. ALL, question. So the coaches challenge can entail an offsides not detected until a goal is scored on the one play. So, let's take that TB offsides, only this time, Murray blocks the shot, the rebound is picked up by a Penns player (still one play no whistle) and is taken down ice for the score. Can the Bolts use the coaches challenge on their own player being offsides initially?

WIOSA


Thu May 26 2016 7:57 am EST

RF Andrei went off the deep end on this one, he's blaming coaches for things out of their control like drafting and signings like they are out scouting players around the country, then he removes blame for stuff that is in their control claiming that a player who has never played an NHL game should be NHL ready before stepping on the ice. How can you be ready for something you have no experience at?.....ANDREI unsigned player that went to Hartford to find his game Zuch there is your one.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 7:54 am EST

Congrats to the Sharks. Well deserved.

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 7:52 am EST

In case anyone doesn't see the correlation here.....the sliding play at a base in baseball is exactly like the offisides reviews in hockey. Before linesman really couldn't see whether or not that back skate was in contact with the ice. Now with replay they can see it and make the correct call. Players need to adapt. I have no problem with the review of that play and a rule change isn't going to change the fact that these plays will always be reviewed. Even if you change the rules to allow the skate to be in the air there will still be reviews to see if the skate was at the line, over the line, etc. We will need cameras directly above the blue lines and there will still be these frame by frame looks at it where the announcers say "Wow, that is really close! I just don't know if there is enough there to overturn the call or not. It looks to me like it might be offside but I just don't know". Leave the rules the way they are.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 7:51 am EST

TD You're making zero sense, you state that losing a timeout is not a big deal, but that they are using the challenge as a time out to delay the game, but then follow up with it's not a big deal because there are a million ways to slow and delay the game down. Exactly my point which means the challenge is being used for its intended purpose which is to right a mistake made by an official on the ice case closed. Do I want the NHL to be like the NFL where every play is reviewable? Every play isn't if you make a challenge and you are wrong you can't make another, which means when you're making a challenge you better be pretty damn sure you're right and not just wasting time because an instance can come up later where you will need it and not have it. A coach can't just jump on the ice and stop play because he feels a call was missed he has to wait for the whistle that is not his fault it is the way the game is designed which is to be free flowing. If a team comes into the zone offsides and then scores a goal due to being in offsides I think the rule is doing its job which is to fix human error which does occur. A great example 96 world cup USA was offsides and scored a huge goal to win the cup due to the offsides that goal broke the back of canada but it was offsides. They complained but there was nothing they could do about it, that goal cost them the game, well in todays game it doesn't have to and it shouldn't. I have no idea what you mean by an automatic whistle the linesman blows the whistle if he thinks it's offsides if he misses it he doesn't. As for my argument I believe if a team scores a goal due to the mistake of an official and the technology allows it to be reversed it should, but done so in a timely fashion 1 min of time to review it if it's not found in a min, maybe 90 seconds then the play stands, doesn't slow anything down. As for this good goal any year accept this one is folly to say the least, before the redline was taken out of the game they had the two line pass rule, do you know how many goals wouldn't have happened prior to that rule being instated? How about the avery rule of not being able to face a goalie to distract him? As long as you're not in contact it shouldn't matter but it's a rule. How about the Edm/gretzky rule where coincidental minors offset each other and kept the game at 5 on 5 because TGO and the oilers were killing teams 4 on 4 and 3 on 3 but the rule was changed back almost a decade later. How about delayed offsides taken away and not brought back rules are implemented and some work, some don't you feel this one doesn't. I feel if a goal was scored due to an official making a mistake then if the ability to rectify said mistake can be done it should be. You have changed your stance on how you are defending this rule, first it was because they were using it like a timeout, then it was about taking the team and crowd out of the game, now it's just the rule isn't good because X amount of time can pass before the play can be reviewed and overturned. There is just no way to instantly stop a play and say hey you;re wrong, but let's look at a scenario, a team breaks in two on one but is offsides, they cross the blue line make one pass slapshot goal 5 seconds pass between the offsides and the goal, they review the play see it was offsides and the goal is reversed and 5 seconds is put back on, is that acceptable only 5 seconds has gone by?

York18


Thu May 26 2016 7:50 am EST

On any team I would build the coach would be expected to play a significant role in developing younger players. Part of a successfully maintained competitive team year in and year out includes the steady introduction into the lineup of young players. It's crazy IMO to expect all of them to be NHL ready so the head coach can just tap them on the shoulder and never worry about mistakes due to inexperience, wavering confidence, etc. A perfect example of AV's lack of tolerance towards younger players IMO is his indefensible (in my world) (mis)handling of McI.

RF4L


Thu May 26 2016 7:43 am EST

TD: I've never seen you complain about this before. The Rangers have used the challenge on goals scored after an offside that wasn't called on many occasions. I have no problem with it at all. And I don't care if it takes 10 minutes to get the call right. It is far worse to me to have a goal scored (and counted) on a play where the whistle should have been blown then to have a goal scored (and overturned after a 5 minute delay) on a play where the whistle should have been blown. It is about getting it right and there will always be unintended consequences. Look at baseball as an example. Everyone wanted review in the game so that important plays could be reviewed for accuracy. Whether or not a guy was safe at first base....whether a hit down the line was fair or foul....whether a hit was over the line on the outfield wall and thus a homerun or just a hit off the wall....whether a catch was made on a fly ball....whether a guy was out or safe at home...etc. There were so many plays that people wanted to be able to review to get it right. But nobody foresaw what the unintended consequences were. Nobody foresaw that a particular kind of play that was just accepted in the game would dominate the managers' challenges and reviews. That simple play is a regular old slide into a base. It used to be that when there was a sliding play at a base the umpires would make the call based on whether or not the player made it to the base before the tag was applied. Once that happened the play was over unless the base runner slid way past the bag and was tagged out. Now with replay managers realized that video evidence existed to see whether or not a sliding player lost contact with the base at any point in the slide while the tag was being applied. Fielders have changed the way they tag baserunners now. Instead of swiping a tag on a baserunner they tag and hold the tag on the runner as long as they can. If review shows that any part of the runner was off the bag at any time in the slide where the tag was still applied he is out. It has changed the game and it was unintended for sure. But so be it. Players need to adapt. Because it is always better to get a call right then to have to live with human error or the human inability to see what happened. The integrity of the game is way more important then "flow" or convenience IMHO.

Vic


Thu May 26 2016 7:29 am EST

FWIW, I think that getting the play right is the most important thing. I am shocked at how many times linesmen blow offsides calls. Seems that if it is at all close, they call it good.

Bob


Thu May 26 2016 7:15 am EST

Larry Brooks is in fantasy land. Every team in the league will be looking to move pieces that they wont be able to protect and lose for nothing in the expansion draft. I will go 'out on a limb' and say the bulk of this team will look the same before the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 26 2016 6:33 am EST

York - like losing a time out is a big deal. PUHLEASE...Lose your time out and need a minute? Well then your goaltender gets a strap loose. Or line up your wing and have him get thrown out of the circle...or tell the linesman there's a problem with the clock...there's a billion delay tactics coaches use and you know that. Losing a time out means ZERO to a coach who's team is back on its heels and reeling STUPID RULE. You want the NHL to be the NFL where every goddamn play is reveiwable? How would you feel if two minutes passed in the game before a goal was scored and then a coach called for a coaches review? Still cool? Still alright? It's BS and you know it. I already said I could care less what team is benefiting from it and as much as I hate the Pens and Sully, it was a good move for them...it's bad for the league...even worse than the stupid foot in the crease rule...and again...if you REALLY think offsides is that important to the game, then why not have an automatic whistle? It'd be beyond easy for the NHL to tell which player goes over the line first almost instantaneously. That I have no problem with. It's rolling back the clock and disallowing a goal that would have been considered a good goal any year except for this one. It's BS and I can't believe you of all people are arguing unless you just feel like arguing...which is probably the case.

tdchi


Thu May 26 2016 6:09 am EST

and then good luck to the do you know the way to San Jose..."SAN JOSE -- The San Jose Sharks will play in the Stanley Cup Final for the first time after a 5-2 win against the St. Louis Blues in Game 6 of the Western Conference Final at SAP Center on Wednesday. The Sharks, who started play in 1991-92, won the best-of-7 series 4-2 and will face the winner of the Eastern Conference Final..."

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 6:05 am EST

good luck to the tampons without stamkos and bishop in game 7. ...https://www.nhl.com/news/ben-bishop-likely-out-for-game-7-vs-penguins/c-280801726

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 5:54 am EST

"The Rangers — who by the way are 3-8 in their last 11 playoff games against the conference finalist Lightning and Penguins while allowing at least five goals in five of them — don’t have a difference-maker on the roster, but even though Stamkos is expected to be the only elite option on the free-agent market, management is expected to renovate through trades rather than splashy free-agent signings. But there is this exception: Expect the Rangers to be in big-time on pending free-agent winger Jimmy Vesey of Harvard, who will become available on Aug. 15 when the Predators lose the rights to the 66th overall selection of the 2012 entry draft. Common wisdom has the North Redding, Mass., native signing with either the Maple Leafs (for whom his father works) or the hometown Bruins, but there is every reason to believe the Blueshirts will be serious players on this one."

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 5:46 am EST

STEVIE exactly LOL

York18


Thu May 26 2016 5:37 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/05/25/you-might-not-recognize-anyone-on-the-rangers-next-season/

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 5:08 am EST

So the nyr scouts suck because the gm doesn't find guys that Gernander has to develop into stars. ... It's not weeknow's job to get rookies to continue developing in the NHL . They should only be promoted after they are NHL caliber having never played in the NHL..and never even drafted... This way weeknow has less work to do. He couldn't win it all with the Harlem globetrotters .....who's fault is that ? Gernanders? .... Oh I forgot it's the players , not the system or the lines or the ice time . Never mind the pk or the pp, and the goalie should not give up any goals but if he does his teamates should always score one more than he gave up..all accomplished by players the other 29 teams scouts and gms missed . Can't wait for lb to make this argument ....

stevielegs


Thu May 26 2016 3:17 am EST

Here is another thing you miss Andrei it's about being given a chance and as you claim av isn't here to groom players. He won't even use kids that are playing well over vets playing bad. He's not a kids coach if you can't expect him to play guys being shoved down his throat it's hard to have a guy under the radar get a shot. A kid like bourque could have been given a shot but where? This goes to management stacking the team with vets. You said it av is a coach that plays his vets no matter what how are non vets going to really get a shot?

York18


Thu May 26 2016 3:11 am EST

Andrei of course you're going to say that because what you said was ridiculous at best. Like I said name me one team just one not two three four just one team that is taking not drafted players and turning them into second third fourth line players on a consistent basis as YOU claimed the rangers and gernander should be doing. You seem to miss something in all your sarcasm and that is where do players come from, do guys like AV, Ulf, beuk, gernander scour the country and world looking for players and watching players, or do the rangers have scouts and staff which handle that? While you can blame sather maybe gorton since they decide their staff you can't blame coaches for lack of talented players brought in and that stands at all levels. Again you dismiss McL kreider miller Lindberg fast korpi another guy who graduated you dismiss talbot is allaire in Hartford every day no so sorry you can't dismiss gernander because allaire is not in Hartford every day. Is gernander perfect no but to blame him for not developing talent that is not there is ridiculous. You claimed to play at a rather high level if that is true then you should know that if the talent and skill are not there all the coaching in the world will not make a difference. Why do you think when national teams are put together they don't just take the worst players? Answer because the best coaching in the world won't make a difference. Do you think a team like Germany has horrible coaching or just that the talent level just isn't there? This goes back to rf4ls argument of always trading away picks. I'll ask you another question find me a player that played in Hartford that left Hartford via being released and was picked up and coached at the ahl level to go on to a fruitful NHL career. Like I said easier said than done. You named two very rare instances where a guy like sheary came along. Wilson was drafted and just started playing in the NHL his career can be done by mid season next year he hasn't played more than 24 regular season games let's see what he does before calling him a gold mine. Johnson was a rare find and again how did 28 other teams miss him not just the rangers? I guess everyone is failing. This kid slipped by other teams staffs as well. Brown is a fourth line player hardly anything to get excited about and palat was drafted so he should as you say been expected. But these instances are a testament to a scouting staff finding players that skipped by the draft they have talent and are given a chance something you seem to ignore. Ultimately this is a scouting staff issue and kudos to those two franchises for finding what amounts to two players they found that went undrafted and are real players you can't teach goal scoring otherwiss hags kreider would be 50 goal scorers just like you can only reach so much skating and why Hayes will never skate like kreider well you can't draw blood from a stone I'm not sure if you understand that statement or not but it holds true. You can not blame a coach for not taking crap and turning it into gold. If it were just about coaching it wouldn't matter who was out on a team.

York18


Thu May 26 2016 12:14 am EST

York, you are right. You are always right .... your Highness.. It is your world, and we are lucky to be living in it. Please forgive me for even contemplating to have a normal conversation. How dare I, or anyone else, challenge your opinion.. Yes, it's all AV's fault. Gernader is a NHL GOD and should be treated as such. Sather sucks. Did i summed up correctly? Just for the record. I think you should look at the rosters of other NHL teams and see what real farm teams produce year after year. (TB - Tyler Johnson/ONDREJ PALAT/J.T. BROWN.. Shitsburg (SCOTT WILSON/CONOR SHEARY), etc. Another interesting stat. Gernander have become a coach of the farm team in July of 2007. Guess who graduated the farm in 2006? Any ideas?? Girardi and Cali (unless you count 11 vs Gernader games is the reason why maid the Rangers). Jim Schoenfeld coached both Giradi and Cali. Shoenee is getting the credit. Considering that Benoit Allaire manages goaltenders, cross Talbot off your list as well. That leaves P. A. Parenteau... Huge accomplishment. You are right as always. Gernander is a hockey GOD...

andrei


Wed May 25 2016 11:52 pm EST

Jimmy Vesey: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9222

mf


Wed May 25 2016 11:46 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/05/25/you-might-not-recognize-anyone-on-the-rangers-next-season/

mf


Wed May 25 2016 11:37 pm EST

TD:Still, from a hockey standpoint, the move warrants a head scratch from Florida’s perspective. The Cats are loaded at center, with Aleksander Barkov, Vincent Trocheck and Nick Bjugstad. They essentially have a No. 1 and two No. 2 pivots. Where does McCann fit in over the long haul?.............. Could Bjugstad be on the block? Trocheck surpassed him on the depth chart this season. Or could Trocheck, a restricted free agent, be on the move if the team can’t hammer out a new deal with him?

mf


Wed May 25 2016 11:31 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/erik-gudbranson-to-canucks-jared-mccann-to-panthers-in-head-scratcher-trade/

mf


Wed May 25 2016 11:15 pm EST

congrats to San Jose...... St.Louis singin da blues.........

mf


Wed May 25 2016 10:25 pm EST

Andrei: Your argument has validity for sure. I am pondering it in an attempt to poke some holes in it (meaning good argument!!!).

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 7:28 pm EST

TD So in your opinion human error should be just allowed even if it can be fixed? You're wrong about one thing you don't get a free time out and you keep saying that it's not free, you can't just make a challenge for making a challenge sake to get a time out because if you're wrong you lose your timeout which means you essentially are using your time out anyways. If the gripe is legit they aren't using it as a time out, they are using it to fix an error they believe was made which is why the rule was put in place and in that instance it is working. Can it turn the tide of a game? Absolutely IF the team challenging is correct, if they aren't well they lose their time out and the goal stands hardly stopping anything other than it was as if they used their timeout after said play anyways. If they are correct then yes it does turn the tide of the game, as an illegal goal would also turn the tide of a game, works both ways. Taking the crowd out of it? LMAO depends on where the game is being played and who the call is going in favor you're being selective in that area. Now there is a spirit of the offside rule? Where is the spirit rule written in which subsection? The reason offsides is there is to not be offsides and the spirit states your skate has to be on the ice so the SPIRIT is being observed. As for the last part that's your opinion don't really hear anyone else stating that, well you and tampa fans, but then again you hate the pens so it's the same agenda and if I recall the pens were supposed to be destroyed in this series and last according to you, it's eating you up they are still in it.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 7:08 pm EST

York - Of course everyone loves it when their team challenges a goal and gets it waved off...but that doesn't change the fact that a linesman clearly either didn't see the offsides or, in the case of the DROUIN play, wouldn't have had the ability to see the offsides. In that instance, you would literally need to be lying on the ice and have your eyes keyed into the skater as he crossed the line...NO WAY does the naked human eye catch an offsides that is that close. Just doesn't happen. And then to have the play continue on...and it did for at least another 10-to-15 seconds before a goal...well...that's just ridiculous...I'm sorry...and I'm not saying Sully is wrong for doing what he did/does....he's using a stupid rule to his advantage. Actually, as much as I dislike him and his shitty team, I'd say he's doing something very smart. Doesn't change the fact that this stupid system now 1. slows the game down immensely; 2. gives coaches a free time out; and 3. can turn the tide of a game by doing both AND taking the crowd out of it. So we definitely disagree. The spirit of the offside rule wasn't to catch a guy with his skate two millimeters off the ice. We want to go that route, let's just employ a guy to watch those stupid cameras on the ice and automatically whistle any player that's offsides. Rolling back the play AND the clock is an embarrassment to this league.

tdchi


Wed May 25 2016 6:21 pm EST

MF... I only remember them talking about June. The NHL also never makes big announcements during the playoffs. Holding the meetings in early May makes no sense because something is bound to leak about then distract from the playoffs.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 5:16 pm EST

It was expected the 10-member executive committee would meet earlier this month to decide on expansion, a decision that would be endorsed by the board of governors later in the summer. But Daly told thn.com that meeting was never set in stone, but did say there will be a scheduled executive board meeting planned for early June prior to the full meeting of the board of governors. Expansion is not officially on the agenda, but it will almost certainly be discussed. If anything happens on this front, it’s likely not to transpire until after the Stanley Cup final is played. Commissioner Gary Bettman has traditionally been loath to have any news upstage the showcase series of the season. “It’s still a work in progress,” Daly said. “Nothing new to report.”

mf


Wed May 25 2016 5:13 pm EST

ANDREI Yakapov was expected to be an impact NHL player how is that working out? Doesn't matter where you are drafted even first overall, assumptions well you should know what that leads to.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 5:11 pm EST

ANDREI so Gernander is supposed to turn players who aren't supposed to be NHL players into NHL players and not only is he supposed to be doing this but doing it on a consistent basis? ROFLMAO that is the single stupidest thing I have read on this board all year. Find me a team that is doing that on a regular basis please because that's a team that should just be trading players away constantly since they turn nothing players into NHL players. You then follow that up with its Sathers fault, so whos fault is it, Sather or GErnander? You bring up Girardi, and what you fail to realize is how rare something like that happens let alone for it to happen on a regular basis as you're claiming it should. First you say the Pack have produced no one, then it was they aren't taking rocks and turning them into gold LMAO. Now you're saying it's not AVs job to groom prospects that's exactly a part of every coaches job in the NHL otherwise teams would never have rookies, and the league would end because no new players would be GROOMED to become players at the NHL level. FIrst I never blamed AV for McL not being a superstar over night. I said all season I expected him to be brought along slowly, the problem was AV had a viable option in McL who was playing well, but instead chose to play players who weren't playing well and that is AVs fault, because players have to grow at the NHL level, the growth starts at the AHL level but that is still a lesser league. and you saying he will play an experienced vet over a rookie is where AV screwed up because the vets were playing horrible and it wasn't about grooming a rookie as you put it, it was about playing the better player at the moment and McL was playing better than both Girardi and Boyle when he played, so grooming was not being asked to be done here and that seems to be something you have missed, though you seem to have missed a lot.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 5:08 pm EST

Franchises in Vegas: Hmm, wonder what the athletes are going to do on nights off at home.. Lets see: Drink, Gamble, snort coke, smoke pot, and chase hookers.... They'll be in great game shape..... Hey Bungholio-Butthead, better hope Mike Richards & Jarret Stoll aren't picked by Vegas..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/nhl-not-fazed-by-chatter-of-possible-move-to-las-vegas-by-oakland-raiders/

mf


Wed May 25 2016 4:46 pm EST

Stevie: Are you saying: Hank & M.Staal for Talbot / Ference & Eberle?

mf


Wed May 25 2016 4:40 pm EST

weknow didn't coach the first game of the playoffs....or the rest of them....1 was an accident....

stevielegs


Wed May 25 2016 4:25 pm EST

Several UFA's to be mentioned here: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-canucks-top-priority-will-be-addressing-scoring-depth/

mf


Wed May 25 2016 4:00 pm EST

York, i love your responses. You just proved my point. Miller/Lindberg/Skjei/Kreider/McL were all high draft picks. They were all drafted and expected to be impact-full NHL's. We can agree to disagree, but promoting high draft picks trough the farm system is not an achievement, it is a job description of the farm team. I'm talking about taking unknown players / un-drafted / low drafted prospects and making / groom them to be an NHL'ers. That's what Gernander should be doing on consistent bases. Just because Skjei looks NHL ready, it does not mean it is due to the fact that Gernander is a great coach. Skjei played less then a full season in Hartford. He came ready at the training camp. Perfect example of what i'm talking about is Girardi. Problem there, it was back in 2007. 8 years ago. 8 stinking years. Who else can you recall, in the last 4 seasons? I would agree it is not just Gernander's fault. It is a direct reflection on the whole Rangers organization from top to the bottom. Sather wanted to win the cup so badly, that he had ignored the process by making horrible choices, year after year. Again. My point was that it is not AV's responsibility to groom prospects. That's responsibility falls on the farm team. Just because MCI is on the roster and cannot pass the waiver wire, you can't blame the head coach that MCI did not become a superstar overnight. AV represents an old school. He will always play an experienced veteran over the rookie. You can blame AV for a lot of things. I would even go as far as giving him and his entire staff an F grade. That being said, AV is getting paid to consistently produce winning results, and prospect development, while important is at might be, is not something that is number 1 on his list. That's all i was trying to say....

andrei


Wed May 25 2016 2:32 pm EST

Andrei on a side note you can only produce when you are given something worth producing, you can't draw blood from a stone. They have guys on the team, they have more guys coming in the next couple years, what I find so funny is the Pack gave four players to the Rangers just this season and you can't remember them ever giving one in three to four, I guess you haven't watch a game in that time period.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 2:31 pm EST

Andrei and this is what makes me shake my head when you post because I question if you even watch games when you make comments like this players that came via the pack, Skjei, McL, Fast, Lindberg, Talbot, Miller, Kreider, Zuch, yeah they haven't done squat or given this team anyone??????? then going to other teams rosters and moving back a little Cally, Anisimov Dubinsky, PA Parenteu, Girardi, yup you're right what are they doing down there?

York18


Wed May 25 2016 1:18 pm EST

RF4L, when team is considered to be a cup contender, rarely will you see a coach whose main goal will be to develop kids. I think this is the problem with fans. We expect our team to content for the cup and at the same time, expectancy is for rookies to flourish. Very hard to do. This is also part of the issue with the bad farm team and lack of prospects in it. In the perfect world, every team should operate like Detroit, where rookies are not called up till they are 120% ready. I'm not a huge Gernander fan. I can care less how many wins farm team has. What i care about is how many NHL ready players team can produced. So far i can't recall a single solid 2nd-3rd-4th liner Hartford had produced in the last 3-4 season. Maybe this also a testament to how badly prospect pipe line was run by Sather, but i find it very surprising that Hartford has not produced even a scrub that would replace Glass. Last player who could be considered a solid NHL'er would be Dale Weise?

andrei


Wed May 25 2016 1:00 pm EST

RF: Don't rush me...you'll get your chance!...;-)......MF: That would be the puck drop on the 2016/2017 playoffs regardless if the Rangers make it or not.

Vic


Wed May 25 2016 12:33 pm EST

VIC: would that be the 1st Playoff game that the NY Rangers participate in, or the 1st playoff game of the 2016/17 season?

mf


Wed May 25 2016 12:02 pm EST

Vic: Then score my answer for that question as a 'YES'!

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 12:02 pm EST

york: Re the article - fair enough but for sure he's bang on about AV's need to give this kid some rope. If not, I suspect he'll flounder, then pout and then ran away to the KHL.

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 12:01 pm EST

RF: That is already a question. And it is worded: Will AV be fired before the first playoff game is played". So if you say YES but AV makes it all the way through the regular season only to be fired before the first NHL playoff game starts then you would be right. But, once the puck drops on the first playoff game if he is still officially the Rangers coach you would be wrong even if they fire him the next day.

Vic


Wed May 25 2016 12:00 pm EST

IMO, if the Rangers struggle like I think they might next season, AV will be fired by Christmas. I also believe if Gorther only tweaks, the Rangers will struggle as they did this past season, but minus the benefit of their inexplicable early season run (I say inexplicable because in many of those games they were as bad as they were late in the season and against the Pens - it's the goaltending that gave them most of those points). I see zero reason to expect anything to be different next year is the basic roster is the same. Why would I? The problems with lack of passion, bad defense, poor effort, etc we saw from the outset. Why would a longer than usual summer change anything when the core players and the coach are the same? Or is Buch the saviour here??

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 11:52 am EST

AV makes it till next summer. No reason to keep him now only to give up on him mid season. The Rangers know they are in a tough situation and he is being given leeway IMO because the vet moves have no panned out.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 11:46 am EST

RF I found that article to be ripe with a writer who doesn't know a damn thing about skating. he is all over the place in that article a long stride doesn't equal speed, a short choopy inefficient stride (Hags) does, first an inefficient stride would not equal speed which is why it would be considered inefficient. and he doesn't have a choppy stride watch him skate he is 5-11 so of course his stride is going to be shorter than Hayes who is 6-5. People who don't know skating are misled to believe he is choppy because he extends so quickly but he is not even remotely choppy. He then follows it up with comparing Buch to Hayes but saying Buch has a quick first step, something Hayes doesn't have, and then also compares him to Malkin who skates way better than Hayes, he is all over the place in this article. He then goes on to try and wow the reader with this nonsense about his leg and hip rotation for his shot, well no shit, and finally that BS of what players are doing in one league compared to another is pure garbage IMO line mates ice time, situations etc all play huge roles in production the only thing I walked away with in that whole garbage article was are you kidding me put him with Hayes? I'd put him with Step or Brass who both like to dish the puck, especially Step Hayes would hold him back because Hayes holds the puck wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long and often holds his line back because he doesn't pass the puck when he should and then makes a bad pass because he held it for too long. I would also say bad combo because Buch is not going to be, nor should he be expected to be a defensive anchor on his line, Hayes certainly isn't bad two guys to put together which is why Step would be the better fit

York18


Wed May 25 2016 11:44 am EST

I'd fire AV during this summer

mf


Wed May 25 2016 11:18 am EST

Vic: Here's one: At what point in the season will AV be fired: End of 1st quarter, half way, 3rd quarter, immediately after the season's over (like 1 week after so the poll doesn't go forever), not at all.

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 11:17 am EST

Speaking of rope and AV and kids, has anyone developed under him in his time in NY? Miller to a certain extent although I'd argue that after appearing to have turned the corner on his career in January (where for a couple of weeks he was the best Ranger forward), he dropped off considerably after that. Hayes regressed this year. Lindbergh and McI both stalled (due to so much time spent in the pressbox). Who's left? Jesper Fast. For whatever reason, he's been afforded more patience than the rest of his peers combined. In his defense, he's not a liability away from the puck but he's not exactly the answer to one the team's biggest issues - scoring. Bottom line for me is this: AV is not a coach for young player development (and that was a knock he had in Vancouver, too).

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 11:13 am EST

And damn, why can't those nasty Penguins just die and leave us all alojne!!!.....I thought the goalie issue would catch up to them in this series and the Bolts would win.....shows what I know.....but I did want to keep Brian BOITANO..Damn that guy knows how to play PO hockey!

Hospo


Wed May 25 2016 11:09 am EST

HAYES? Just the mention of his name and the image of his dopey face and his selfish lazy play turns my stomach......The Puke needs to go...Unfortuantely, his value is nil right now becasue the NHL is all about hard work and effort., two things Hayes has never shown....I hope to god the Rangers have some type of mental trainer or bring in some kick ass vets that can try and turn this mope around where his talent can be used..Unfortuantely, keeping HAYES meas without a doubt one of Brass or Step, likley Step, needs to be trades...As, screw this, it jsut doesn't matter as long as AV is still the coach....OTOH....Maybe this is the yearthey trukly crash and there is a #1 pick in 2017..:)

Hospo


Wed May 25 2016 10:43 am EST

BTW: I am already planning questions for next year's pool. I have almost 20 possible questions so far and I'm planning to put together a little questionnaire app using PHP Survey or (something similar) so that folks can quickly fill it out with a few clicks. If you have any suggestions for questions please post them here. You guys did too good on it this year. I'm makeing it much harder next year...;-)

Vic


Wed May 25 2016 10:41 am EST

Rhet: Thanks for the link - not a bad article and the conclusions are bang on: Conclusion: So...what does this all mean for Buchnevich? Well, I've said it a lot that Buchnevich could (should?) have been the Rangers 3RW next to Kevin Hayes coming into this past season. He's the perfect complement to Hayes's play style and could be the shoot first threat the Rangers have been looking for for a long time. The biggest thing for Buchnevich's success is that Rangers coaching staff needs to have patience and allow Buch to take risks offensively -- allow him to make mistakes, and then allow him the time to learn from them. Will AV give this kid some rope? Impossible to say given his handling of guys like Kreider, McI, Miller (little rope) and Hayes (long string).

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 10:14 am EST

EDM I think too many people think that they just want to ship off young guys, this guy was available last year, that guy was available last year. This is the reality if they were available they would have been moved, they simply weren't. They got Mcdavid which now opens up options to move the lesser of their picks which is RNH and Jakov but I don't see anyone wanting a russian who isn't even wanted by his own country due to porn attitude and work ethic so what they get for him will at best be little. RNH should get them a serviceable 4-6 Dman for sure.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 10:13 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/5/25/11745548/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-pavel-buchnevich-

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 10:11 am EST

WIOSA to me LEtang brings something to the table this team lacks on the blueline outside of McL that's snarl and this team needs it. I love Ovi but the problem with an Ovi like most russians is he doesn't make his line mates better. He doesn't elevate the games of the players around him. He is a one man show and that doesn't win you cups and while the caps always get pounced every time the playoffs come around. You can't build a team around a guy like him, I love watching him play but he's not the guy that carries a team to the cup.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 9:48 am EST

VIC: agree on Draisaitl & the writing was on the wall that RNH is likely to be moved....

mf


Wed May 25 2016 9:48 am EST

RHET: I am preparing questions for next year's pool and where BUCH starts on opening night is one of them......

Vic


Wed May 25 2016 9:44 am EST

TD I dont like Crosby, or Letang, and would love to agree with you on the Coaches Challenge, however, this IS what a coach is supposed to do.I agree with Yorkie. Coach needed to keep his players upbeat and their heads in a good place. His 'spotters' or he obviously saw that it was an offisides and used that challenge wisely. It gave the Pens a 'win' on the call, took the fans out of the game, and frustrated the Bolts. It cost him a time out at his convenince. Unlike our coach who I think is under the impression non used time outs are redeemable...YORKIE, I grumble about Ovi, but I would LOVE to have him on the team. Letang is dirty, embarrassingly dirty. Players like him - and Avery - make me cringe. I can take a rough game, Ovechkin has really pummelled players. The dirty crap is obnoxious though. Not sure I would be happy with him. Also, for the record, the last game he was a -4.

WIOSA


Wed May 25 2016 9:35 am EST

Rangers player evaluations — Tanner Glass.... http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/24/rangers-player-evaluations-tanner-glass/#sthash.0GXpExKk.rx1PvdFx.dpbs

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 9:33 am EST

Pouring Cold Water on Nash/Stamkos Rumors .... http://thehockeywriters.com/pouring-cold-water-on-nashstamkos-rumors/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHockeyWriters+%28The+Hockey+Writers%29

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 9:29 am EST

VIC.... He is not the guy I would want centering Buchnevich, that's for sure. Though the injury to Lindberg probably means he stays around a bit longer.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 9:13 am EST

RHET: "The bloom is off the rose" for sure with HAYES. I'm not even sure he will be here by the time camp starts. I wouldn't be surprised if he was packaged out west in a trade at the draft. That said, if he does end up sticking with the Rangers this offseason is critical for him. If he doesn't spend it working like a maniac on his skating, quickness and conditioning then he isn't ever going to develop into an impact player. The level he played at from January through March of his rookie season is the level he needs to play at every night. He has the skill. Does he have the desire to work on his skating and conditioning to get them to the level they need to be at? Does he have the humility and work ethic to drive himself to get better? After last season I have my doubts about both. I know some want to move him no matter what but I think the risk of keeping him to see if he can become an impact player far outweighs any return they will get for him......unless there is a GM out there that is a moron.

Vic


Wed May 25 2016 9:10 am EST

Elliotte Friedman: Talk is that Vadim Shipachyov may have to play another year in the KHL before he’s able to leave for the NHL. It came up on Monday and it involves an option that is in his KHL contract..... Aivis Kalnins: Shipachyov has put contract talks on hold. SKA are trying to counter all NHL offers that are coming in..... Aivis Kalnins: Hearing that there is a memorandum between the NHL and KHL that is currently holding up Shipachyov signing in the NHL. Shipachyov is able to pull some strings. He is also not the only one that is willing to leave SKA. The only way for Shipachyov to get out from SKA is buy out his contract..... Igor Eronko: SKA VP told [Eronko] that Vadim Shipachyov and Evgenii Dadonov can only leave the team mid-season. “Thing is KHL enlarged term for termination doc filing” which is why they can’t leave until December.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 8:58 am EST

Prior to the playoffs, Kevin Hayes said that his season had been a little inconsistent and "up and down for sure."(Newsday) He added though that the playoffs bring along a "whole new season" and that his hope was that his game was trending upward and not down. (Newsday) Hayes had 3 goals and 3 assists in the 18 games prior to the playoffs but did score in the last game of the regular season. He said that he considers himself to be a "versatile" player and that he doesn't mind playing the wing. (Newsday) Hayes was a healthy scratch the last two playoff games for the Rangers. In his three playoff games, he was a minus one, had 4PIM, 3 shots on goal and an average of 10:49 per game. Alain Vigneault said after the season that Hayes is part of the Rangers future but needs to step up.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 25 2016 8:18 am EST

York usually the guys dragging their back leg are the guys without the puck . if their back leg hasn't broken the plane of the blue line they should not be considered off sides. unless a guy is gliding, more than likely their back skate will be in the air

stevielegs


Wed May 25 2016 8:10 am EST

MF: Regarding DRAISAITL, I strongly doubt Edmonton would be willing to move him unless the offer was overwhelming. A year ago maybe, but not now. Last year at this time there were still doubts that his skating was good enough or that he would/could be an impact player. He worked hard on his skating and put all of those fears/thoughts to rest this year. He was awesome at times and I have to believe that the Oilers are thinking of McDAVID and DRAISAITL down the middle for many years to come. I think they move RNH this summer to bring in help on D and some bottom 6 depth.

Vic


Wed May 25 2016 8:06 am EST

Good morning. Like how he turns his disability into a positive: http://bluelinestation.com/2016/05/24/new-york-rangers-robin-kovacs-takes-disability-to-advantage/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

ges999


Wed May 25 2016 7:40 am EST

TD couldn't disagree more, offsides, is offsides. I don't care what he needed to do to be on sides, he didn't do it. If the Rangers had done what Sully did and it saved a goal from being scored you would not be here bitching about it. You would be saying that he was off sides and had they not reviewed it a goal would have been scored that didn't count and the league is out to get the Rangers blah blah blah. You lose a timeout and the point is you may need that timeout later in the game, getting it right then does nothing to benefit the team. The thing you are missing is he's right and that means the rule is actually working, he's getting challenges and overturning mistakes and yes he's changing momentum and settling his guys down in the process but you are missing the fact that he is right he is overturning mistakes which means the process is working, not failing. If Sully is constantly doing it, which he can't because if you're wrong you lose your time out and you can't do it again. He does it because he's right and that means the rule and process are working to fix the very thing it was intended to fix.................STEVIE the rule makes perfect sense a part of your body has to be on the line read that ON the line for it to be onsides, if your body is not ON the line then you are offsides. For years you saw players drag their back leg, why did you think they did it? It has been a rule that has been there forever this is not something new. The difference is with the speed of the game being so fast now it's easier to cheat and seem onsides which is why you have a challenge................RF it was just something I was thinking about, AV has come out and publicly neutered his team to the league. Teams and players know this, they see it, and worst of all they know players get punished for retaliation by said coach. McL was smart when he went after Simmonds he never said one word about it to the media, he just did it, glass spoke because he's AVs boy, but Wrath knew better. Teams take liberties like the high stick from Letang because thye know the Rangers will do nothing in response. It's just a culture that he has brought here that needs to change.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 7:36 am EST

And yep, I also agree with AV back, next year could be hellish. Just don't trade the Rangers first rounder in 2017 Gorther! Might be a lottery pick....

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 7:12 am EST

Totally agree that playing pacifist hockey enables acts of intimidation from the opposition and zero retribution to such acts often empowers even players not known for that. It becomes infectious. McI needs to play regularly and not have his gonads shrunk by the coach.

RF4L


Wed May 25 2016 7:06 am EST

the rule doesn't make sense. if the players back skate is on the ice behind the blue line it's ok, if that skate is in the air behind the blue line it's not ok....

stevielegs


Wed May 25 2016 6:43 am EST

maybe sully can borrow capt fugitive for game 7....Tampa would welcome a repeat of history....

stevielegs


Wed May 25 2016 6:21 am EST

So now twice I've watched the Pens take advantage of the off-sides/coach's challenge rule to get themselves a free time-out, overrule what should have been a good goal and slow the game down at a time when it was quickly slipping out of their grasp and I can say the combination of these two influences has ruined the playoffs for me. I mean, why even have a goddamn linesman when his calls are challenged every time there is a breakaway goal? There's absolutely no dis-inventive for a coach to NOT challenge a close play like that because even if he loses, all he loses is a time out...which he gets ANYWAY during the review. Granted, the goal waved off was early in the game...but it clearly changed the momentum and sucked the life out of that arena. And ESPECIALLY when it's that close...when all DROUIN needed was a split second to get one runner on the line....the rule basically punishes teams for playing up-tempo and leading an odd-man rush...because if you have three guys crossing the line at the same time, there's a very good chance one of them will be marginally off-sides...If the NHL doesn't fix this during the off-season, it's basically saying they want this game to slow down to almost football levels...because let me tell you: Sully is setting a precedent here. He's pulled at least two wins out his ass by using this BS rule to settle his guys down and to take the crowd out of the game. You think we're seeing it a lot now? Rule stays the same and we're going to be seeing challenges like this on every odd-man rush goal.

tdchi


Wed May 25 2016 6:19 am EST

When it comes to improving the team there seems to be one option that has received near unanimous support, and that is dumping AV. I too fear that keeping him puts is in position for a nasty season. My view on the Stephan/Brassard duo, I would look to move Brass to Montreal. They have the need for a centerman and he fits their culture . A 2nd round pick and a top defensive prospect would be my preference. Maybe we get lightening in a bottle again.

gene_carr


Wed May 25 2016 5:45 am EST

PAL Staal is not playing here ever again, he came here and was used like he was Sergio momesso by AV he's not coming back, he has pretty much blamed AV for what happened with him in his interviews.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 5:43 am EST

I was thinking, does AV invite teams to take liberties with the Rangers? It's one thing for it to happen and another thing to invite it. Does AV's public adherence of playing whistle to whistle only invite teams to take liberties? If you know another team will do nothing you move on the ice with impunity. AV not only stating but insisting that the Rangers play this style of hockey and punishing players when they don't only invites the chaos that ensues because teams have zero fear of retaliation. Just another culture that has been brought in by AV that IMO is a reason he needs to go.

York18


Wed May 25 2016 5:32 am EST

tdchi I'm not looking to deal McDONAUGH or STEPAN but I think they are what other teams want. I'd hate to lose those two after sitting in my seat last year garden for Gm 7 vs the Caps and they both tied and won it. It was a great feeling watching that hand shake line. It might be last big playoff win for a while with this team that is in decline. I'm just wondering if Gorton is saying to himself I've got to sign YANDLE & E.STAAL because I gave up so much for them. I can get back high draft picks, players and prospects by dealing McDONAUGH & STEPAN. The team would be worse on paper but is still a playoff team and BUCHNEVICH, JENSEN, SKEJ & McILRATH are ready. Is it possible that a desperate GM gives E.STAAL another big contract? Maybe but I don't see it, he's a notch above MOORE at this point in his career. I don't think Carolina wants him at any price. The Rangers would be doing him a favor offering him a two year deal to play in NY with his brother. The guy has made a ton of $ I don't see him signing to play just anywhere. Maybe not 1.8 but 2 years 4 mill is about it. NHL on Sirius have been talking about his decline and what he would be worth. GM's are learning not to give out big money to older ufa's in decline but then again it just takes one GM with a need.

Pal17


Wed May 25 2016 5:08 am EST

I think MAF played his last game as a pen in that loss to the bolts. He gave up a lead and cost them the game, Muuray comes in and wins big. MAF has always been considered a sieve in the POs and the cause for their not winning more cups, I think he's played his last game. I know everyone here hates Letang, I did during the Rangers series now I don't care he's not playing the Rangers but my god I'd love him if he played here.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 11:43 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/all-the-latest-on-dale-tallon-pavel-datsyuk-and-mike-van-ryn/

mf


Tue May 24 2016 10:13 pm EST

RF4L, I know..it's a lot of memories dying out. I hope he does not suffer.

WIOSA


Tue May 24 2016 10:12 pm EST

Interesting that Murray was in goal for Pitt tonight.

WIOSA


Tue May 24 2016 10:01 pm EST

Depressing news from Canada's musical community today - Gord Downie, lead vocalist of Canadian iconic band Tragically Hip, announced he has terminal brain cancer. What a horrible stretch we are in - Glenn Frey, David Bowie, Prince and now Gord Downie. Life sucks sometimes...

RF4L


Tue May 24 2016 9:55 pm EST

I clearly meant, I smell a 'TO'.... How does a guy named Rust beat you? Tampa reminds me a lot of the NYR tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 24 2016 9:50 pm EST

Does Boyle get the hat with the tying or winning goal?

Shaggy


Tue May 24 2016 9:50 pm EST

Does Boyle get the hat with the tying or winning goal?

Shaggy


Tue May 24 2016 9:48 pm EST

I smell OT.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 24 2016 9:36 pm EST

Pat: Strongly suspect if it comes down to who goes, Tarasenko or Hitch, it's the latter. At least for now. They win the cup, why get rid of either - let them work it out because you won with that issue. If they go out, and one must go, it's Hitchcock, almost for certain. In other words, Tarasenko will not be available...JMEO

RF4L


Tue May 24 2016 8:27 pm EST

schneidw: The new franchises are not going to be low income limit groups, it's going to cost a $500 million ante to get a franchise. The winning entities have to show all sorts of financial qualifications that they can afford the venture, and then the Cap has a floor as well as a ceiling.

mf


Tue May 24 2016 8:19 pm EST

Anyone read the Friedman comment re: Tarasenko and StL at odds behind the scenes? Sounds very much like a Hitch v Player issue which is not uncommon in Hitch's history. What is interesting and definitely wishful thinking is Hitch supposedly loves Nash. He and Tarasenko are signed to roughly the same cap hit. What else might have to go that way besides Nash to get that kid?

PatrickDiv


Tue May 24 2016 8:09 pm EST

schneidw: Rhet corrected me that we must include Girardi to that list as his NMC "does not" convert into an NTC until July 1 2017 and the Expansion Draft would be in June 2017 if it happens in time....

mf


Tue May 24 2016 7:40 pm EST

It's approaching the foolishness level of that toe in the crease rule of 15 years ago. Who skates with their whole blade on the ice?

Nick


Tue May 24 2016 7:36 pm EST

Nick - Totally agree...And Sully seems to have his coaching staff focused on that camera feed the whole game. The guy has already had like four or five goals waved off...and the whole process gives him a chance to settle his team down with a defacto time out. Total BS. More evidence this league is a joke.

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 7:34 pm EST

York - Totally agree re: Matt TKACHUK. Kid is exactly what the team could use...but I don't see a way in hell the Rangers get down to 4-through-6, where Keith's kid is going to go...one other legacy who would be nice to grab who is expected to go later is Keifer BELLOWS...projected to go 16-to-22nd...also like this kid Clayton KELLER whose supposed to go mid-round...but alas, we don't pick until number 80...

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 7:31 pm EST

STUPIDEST freaking rule on earth. I'd say that if it benefitted the NYR or any team. What a joke. "Skate was off the ice." It was on top of the line regardless! What next? A freaking electron microscope? Beautiful play, no goal. Soccer on ice.

Nick


Tue May 24 2016 7:26 pm EST

Pal17 - I would much rather deal the passengers on this squad...and frankly, given the reaction in Edmonton when the idea was put out about grabbing a guy like McDONAGH, I think there would be pitchforks if Edmonton gave up the fourth overall pick for him...they ain't giving up DRAISATL either...what would they give up for him? I don't know. And frankly, I don't think the Rangers are trading him anyway...the return they'd get for him wouldn't be what they'll lose in the lineup...best you could hope for is some combination of prospects and picks...as for Winnipeg, they ain't giving up the second overall pick, which will go toward landing them Patrick LAINE, who is a star in the making...and that leaves you with 22 overall...and at that point in the draft, I don't see anyone that would be worth dealing STEPAN unless of course STAMKOS decides to sign here and the Jets offer up a couple of prospects like ARMIA, LEMIEUX or PETAN....Or maybe Jake TROUBA, who actually is the guy I'd want off that roster....a guy like STAFFORD would become an instant whipping boy of epic proportions in New York...as for Eric STAAL, no doubt he's going to take a paycut...but $1.8 million? Some team is going to give him $5 million-plus...

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 7:10 pm EST

STEPAN: I used to be really down on STEPAN.. but I have to admit his 2 way style of play has really turned my thinking.. he is young, smart, puts in effort, and very talented... if he could ever learn to shoot a one timer on the powerplay, he would be first line center material

schneidw


Tue May 24 2016 7:08 pm EST

Expansion Draft: Somebody posted the only NYRs that cannot be exposed to the expansion draft are King and Staal... question is whether the high salaried players will be picked up if available..its been so long since there has been an expansion draft I don't remember any particulars, but I am dubious if a new team with limited finances will risk taking on big contracts..

schneidw


Tue May 24 2016 6:55 pm EST

andrei - We simply don't see eye-to-eye on STEPAN. Kid was constantly getting saddled with struggling players last season. He's got incredible vision and though I agree he passes too much --all of the Rangers do --I don't think he was nearly the worst culprit in that regard. I guess the difference I see between Step and BRASSARD, who I also like, is that when Step is invisible, he's not a liability. Brass...well...take a look at his body of work during the playoffs this year.

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 6:25 pm EST

HOSPO, If I'm wrong than I apologize, I thought you said he wasn't good enough, I remember WIOSA saying that and thought you were the other my mistake. As for Buch I agree I don't think he's ready for the defensive side of the NHL game and there is one saving grace about that, he's a winger and not a center. Let me expalin for a second, you can have two of the three forwards thinking defensively and one that is allowed to not be as responsible and it's best that that player is a winger as he covers the point. With that said I don't think this kid is a moron and doesn't have the concept of covering the point, or even picking up an opposing center and coming back first and going down low. Where I think he will have a problem is AVs non release system which on a smaller ice surface means if he releases his man can be in on a scoring chance fast. With that said I go back to the Miller situation of a player too skilled for the AHL that he was able to make boneheaded plays and cheat and make up for it without it becoming an issue but at this level he wasn't able to do that and until he was here with a regular shift for an extended amount of time did it finally sink in. I think the same will hold for Buch he comes and if sent to a lesser league and the AHL is a lesser league than the KHL he will either refuse to report, or he will be bored and not learning down there. I don't know if that is an ideal situation and here is the thing if he was able to hang in the KHL the AHL won't be an issue which means learning will be lost for the most part, it would be like sending Matthews to Jrs after he is drafted this year, wouldn't make sense. Time will tell, he has a camp and a preseason to show he belongs and if Duclair could make it under AV I don't see how Buch wont..............................MF Stamkos is not coming here, I don't see why he would not in the least, he would go to Tampa before coming here just makes more sense. I don't think Eriksson or Perron are coming here, nor Backes. I just don't think this huge turnover all of you are hoping for is going to happen. It's going to be a frustrating off season to be a fan of this team. I think they are going to use addition by subtraction with Boyle and Yandle gone adding McL, Skjei, and pointing to Buch as the new shiny toy as additions to the team...................TD You're correct, they had cherry but he died, they had Fedtank he's Ukrainian which is close. I think it has more to do with the KHL than anything else.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 6:11 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/bruins-ink-defenseman-kevan-miller-to-four-year-10-million-contract/

mf


Tue May 24 2016 6:10 pm EST

TD: yes you did, guess it didn't register.....

mf


Tue May 24 2016 6:05 pm EST

TDCHI - Over the last 15 years or so, the Rangers drafted very few Russian.....OTOH, they drafred alot of CZECHS/Slovaks and Swedes .....After the guys you mentioned, I could only think ofthe Big kid GRACHEV who played a few games before being traded....and, of course, CHEREPANOV..I looked it up and found that Chery was drafted in 2007 a year after AA ..and then there were no RUSSIANS for six years until Buch...High character Can-AM kids were the rule

Hospo


Tue May 24 2016 5:45 pm EST

mf - mentioned this last night and any Pack/Whale fans are free to correct me here, but the last Russian I remember in Hartford was Valentenko. And before that was Anisimov. Rangers haven't drafted or signed many Russians in the last decade.

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 5:28 pm EST

Hey MF.... Kreider speaks fluent Russian.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 24 2016 3:46 pm EST

mfred that's why players and their agents demand them, otherwise in 2 years teams want to bring in younger cheaper guys....

stevielegs


Tue May 24 2016 2:52 pm EST

MFred: Would you be willing to take on a Stamkos-like contract if we could move "Staal & Girardi?"

mf


Tue May 24 2016 2:44 pm EST

These Mega Multi year deals never quite work out. I do not want Stamkos unless we can get Hank traded to Dallas.......

MelvilleFred


Tue May 24 2016 2:36 pm EST

s/b....$10.5

mf


Tue May 24 2016 2:35 pm EST

Hey, any Russian speaking players in Hartford? If yes and the ages of some of the kids "may" have some benefits for Buch's summer hockey... It's not a punishment by any means.......... On the Stepan/Brassard discussion: since we don't have any top 1st round picks and aren't bottoming out any time soon, it's natural to look at the FA market for top line talent... I'm talking Stamkos.... Even if he is willing to come here, do we want to commit $1.5-$11.5mill on a 7-8 year deal ??? It's a big committment.... If yes, I'd try & keep STEPAN & trade Brassard..... If Not, we're stuck with the 2A & 2B combos for our 1st & 2nd lines and I'd want to have a discussion here on The Wall about going after UFA BACKES on a 3-4 yr $4.75-$5.75mill deal as our next center to join Stepan & Brassard.. (I purposely did not label him as a 3rd line center) I'd still like to move Nash & Glass & that would leave additional room for ERIKSSON & PERRON..... If we can then move Girardi or Staal, there's room for another move...

mf


Tue May 24 2016 2:05 pm EST

York18 - Ok, I went a little over there and apologize...Look, I like when you provide info...but I don't enjoy this right/ proving others wrong mission stuff as much as you do....I like keeping it light and breezy....It's only hockey....We're jsut wired diffeently on the Wall........OK......"HOSPO what did I say that was a douche thing? You said before the season started that McL should not be in the NHL and that he wasn't ready, by midseason you were saying he should be a regular, am I wrong?"----TOTALLY WRONGy!!! I saw Mcilrath the year befoere and said he was ready for the NHL.....IN training camp, I said he was ready for the NHL and should start with the Rangers, even if as a 7th D-man....Now, what I also said was I was afraid that AV would keep DIAZ over Mcilrath...That's where I was wrong..... ........."You said Lindberg was not an NHL player also, again he came in proved you wrong".................Again, TOTALLY WRONG....From the previous year I said LINDBERG was the best forward prospect we had and before the season I said he should start in the NHL, but I wanted him to begin as a 4th liner/Black Ace and move up..... ...... .."....Buch needs offensive polishing in the AHL without the kid skating one stride for this team. I get very strong reasons why that makes no sense"........I think we have a miscommunication here......I have ZERO problem with BUCH's offensive abilities, I just don't think his all-around game (meaning defense, positioning and mental) will be ready for the NHL game and strategies....I'm cautious this way.., ..."..This kid could come in and step into a top 6 position out of camp" --- I agree, it's possible..and hope you are right...,

Hospo


Tue May 24 2016 1:51 pm EST

MF and that's what I said offensively they are equal, but PK Stepan plays it Brass doesn't, the better defensive forward is Stepan, and the younger player is Stepan, Brass is better at faceoffs so with offensive output being equal you have to take the intangibles into consideration and that's the only reason I say Step is better than Brassard and the only reasons. If Brass played the PK it would be damn hard to decipher them apart from one another because even though Step is better at defensive play, Brass wins more faceoffs you can argue they nullify each other the only other thing would be age.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 1:47 pm EST

No automatics. During the regular season Stepans ppg totals are higher than Brassards, however a quick look at Brassard's ppg production as a Ranger is right in line with Stepans.....

mf


Tue May 24 2016 1:43 pm EST

Oh and he looks like his dad almost a dead ringer

York18


Tue May 24 2016 1:42 pm EST

One note on Puljujarvi is they talk about this kid being massive and huge and he's not. He's about 200lbs soaking wet and 6-3 hardly huge and against NHL defenseman I don't think he's going to dominate in the same manner he did at the WJCs and which is why he will be picked after Laine and Matthews, with that said he's a no brainer at 3 though Tkachuk is a player that the Rangers could use a guy who actually parks his ass around the crease and looks for dirty goals and plays an in your face game like his dad, the only thing that concerns me about him is how much of his scoring is him and how much does it have to do with his linemates in London were are two of the top rated prospects already drafted not in the league?

York18


Tue May 24 2016 1:36 pm EST

MF are playoffs the only time hockey is played or do you actually have to make the playoffs by winning games to get to them, or do you just get an automatic invite because they are the NYR?

York18


Tue May 24 2016 1:35 pm EST

PAL First Jakov can stay in Edm, his own national team coach said they were better without him and him not being there was addition by subtraction. He is one of the worst players on his team and anyone who plays with him plays worse and immediately rebounds the second they are removed from playing with him. They tried playing him with Mcdavid and that didn't even work. I want no part of that disaster and I'll say it would be STUPID to even waste the time on him. As for their picks sure it would be nice but again there are no centers worth their salt to be drafted outside of Matthews that isn't a project or a retread of what we have already and would need time to grow into the very thing we already have so why bother? Sure it would be nice to get a winger but you can't build around a winger, so you're drafting at fourth where IMO the talent level at forward takes a dramatic drop compared to guys like Matthews and Laine.and Puljujarvi so you're giving up a lot for a POS player and a pick that won't be able to step in right away. Now we head to move two, no way Stepan gets you their first round pick which could net you Puljujarvi if it did I would drive Stepan there myself and forget getting that and Stafford you're dreaming with fanboy glasses on and E Staal is not staying and he's certainly not staying for 1.8 again Fanboy fantasy. I see you put your vest on, after that post you should.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 1:29 pm EST

Offensive Production Stepan vs Brassard in Playoff Games: Stepan .51ppg, Brassard .75ppg..... That's not even close

mf


Tue May 24 2016 1:26 pm EST

Pal17: I'm open to trading McDonagh if you can figure out a way to bring DRAISAITL in return... VIC/RF ? :-)

mf


Tue May 24 2016 1:24 pm EST

Players in Brassard's talent level are being paid approx $100K per point produced... yes there are those intangibles to consider, but Brassard is fairly priced vs his peers.... jmo snatcherally

mf


Tue May 24 2016 1:20 pm EST

Curious if anyone is open to signing YANDLE & trading McDONAUGH to maybe Edmonton for a couple of really-really high draft picks and a young, skilled forward that may or may not be Russian with a moderate cap hit?.....Also signing E.STAAL (or equivalent ufa) @1.8ish & dealing STEPAN to maybe someplace like Winnipeg for another high draft pick and maybe a STAFFORD type?? ( I put my bullet proof vest on before I hit spray the wall)

Pal17


Tue May 24 2016 1:13 pm EST

Andrei I would keep the better player, because that makes your team better. Offensively they are equal in terms of output, defensively Stepan is better you even said so, and your assertion that Brass is better offensively is not supported by anything other than fantasy if anything Stepan has played less games and averaged about the same output. You could say Brass is more durable no argument there, but there is nothing stating that Brass is the better offensive player production wise other than you saying it because the points don't show it. Another thing to consider Stepan is younger which is better as well. So what it comes down to who is used on the PK? Stepan, who is better defensively? Stepan, who is younger, Stepan. Who is better on faceoffs Brassard so all things being equal what seperates them? Age, PK ability, defensive ability and faceoffs Stepan wins three out of four.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 12:44 pm EST

York, So you would keep Step over Brass because is a better two-way forward? So he is worth $1.5 mil more? Wow... How good Rangers were past season during the last minute of the game? Wasn't he on the ice for majority of the last minute meltdowns? How many face-offs did he loose in defensive zone, that lead to the goal against? Can i ask you something? How many hits had Stepan had all season? Venture to guess?.... 30 hits all season long..... You would think for a defensive player he would hit someone, just to separate a player from the puck, but no. Stepan averaging less then 1 hit every 2.5 games. Just like you saying that Step is a better two way, Brass a better offensively. All Corsi stats support my point. Every single stat....

andrei


Tue May 24 2016 12:43 pm EST

HOSPO what did I say that was a douche thing? You said before the season started that McL should not be in the NHL and that he wasn't ready, by midseason you were saying he should be a regular, am I wrong? You said Lindberg was not an NHL player also, again he came in proved you wrong. Hayes I never disagreed on, I don't like the kid, I think he's not half as good as he thinks he is. Etem, never said he was anything, again another player I didn't like, or think was very good. What is up for discussion is you saying Buch needs offensive polishing in the AHL without the kid skating one stride for this team. I get very strong reasons why that makes no sense, if anything your response was a douche thing, because instead of actually coming back with some reasoning behind your statements of how the AHL is where he is best suited you avoided it all together. Is the AHL a higher league than the KHL? I have never heard anyone claim it is, but if you think the skill level and talent is better in the AHL then say so. What's your reasoning for thinking he would be better off in the AHL if you don't think the AHL is a higher level of comp than the KHL and why would you think he would be better off there without him ever skating with the Rangers? This kid could come in and step into a top 6 position out of camp, this is not Nieves we are talking about here where it seems out of the realm of reality to think it, Buch has that skill and talent and why would being on the third line be a horrible thing? Wouldn't having three strong lines to contend with be better than just two? You compared Graves and Buch and their situations where they are not even remotely close, one player was coming from a league that was about 3-4 steps lower than the other, so of course he would warrant AHL time compared to Buch who is coming from the second best league on the planet.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 12:31 pm EST

York18 - C'mon...You know, one second it's OK discussing things with you and then bam you go back into your all knowing flaming douche personna...It's just not worth it....For me at least...I'll agree to disagree.......And not sure if i was really wrong last year on kids like Hayes, Lindberg, Mcilrath, Etem...But if i was, so be it...

Hospo


Tue May 24 2016 12:17 pm EST

ANDREI You said it does Stepan do anything great? No, is he good defensively? Yes, that;s more than you can say for Brassard because he does nothing great and isn't good defensively which means he is actually worse. Is he over paid? No more than Brassard and because you can pick 30 players over Stepan doesn't mean you can have those 30 players you have to play what you have and I could pick 30 players over Brassard what it comes down to is both are inconsistent, both are over paid, what is the difference between the two otherwise they are carbon copies and the answer is? Defense, stepan is a better two way player which is why you see him on the PK and not Brassard, so all things being equal you come back to defense and Stepan wins that area and that is why you keep Stepan over Brass

York18


Tue May 24 2016 12:12 pm EST

HOSPO sometimes going to the AHL breeds bad habits see Miller, where when he went down was able to play a risky style of game that his talent level was able to cover up for, but when moved to the NHL he would make those same mistakes and they would be costly, and he would be sent back down or sitting soon after. He only got it after an extended time in the NHL where he saw that those types of plays can not be made. Buch is in the same situation he is too skilled for the AHL, the KHL is the second best league in the world and you could argue the SEL and AHL could be tied for third, meaning sending him to the AHL is actually a step down in terms of skill and competition that he is used to on a daily basis. I never said he was a bottom 6, what I said was at worst a third line player and here is the thing, a lot of you, and yes this time I'm including you have to let go of the old thought process of what the third line is in todays NHL. It isn't a checking line any more, it is a third line where even one of the top ten players in the work Malkin is playing because it is no longer a lesser skilled line. You agree his offense is ready, so what will sending him down do, how will everyone be better off with him going to a lesser league than he is used to? I would even venture to say he would get frustrated and head back to Russia instead of wasting his time in the AHL where he can breed bad habits due to the lesser skilled comp. This guy is used to playing against Rabulov, Kovachuk etc, not against kids who just came out of Jrs and probably half won't make it, How do you polish your offensive game against weaker competition than you are used to facing? He will come up and be worse off for it, he would be better off in the KHL where he can work on his offensive game against better players. The Graves comparison doesn't make sense one came from Jrs which is about 4 levels down from the KHL because I would put the KHL SEL, Finnish league above Jrs, hell look at the path Matthews chose instead of Jrs. Look at what Laine is doing in the WCs they are used to higher competition as is Buch. Graves was not used to higher competition he needs the AHL and he also needs to learn his position a little better, buch is an offensive player and he knows this and does it. I don't see how retarding a kids growth is either good for him or the Rangers and from what I hear he feels the same way and wants no part of the AHL if he's doesn't look ready he may head back to Russia and here is the part I don't get. You haven't seen this kid skate one second in the NHL and you already want to send him down to the AHL to supposedly polish his offensive game, what is wrong with his offensive game that needs working on that you have seen and feel would be of benefit by being in the AHL and shouldn't he at least have a chance to earn his spot in the NHL in camp and preseason before just sending the kid down? You always seem all too eager to shit on some of these kids and act like they aren't ready you did it twice last year and not only were you wrong the very player you said shouldn't be in the NHL you were screaming to have in the lineup on a nightly basis. Had they done things your way he wouldn't have even been in the NHL.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 12:00 pm EST

tdchi/Kiss, still not understanding the desire to keep Step over Brass. If you say that Brass is in-consistent, then Step is consistently inconsistent. He was horrendous for a long stretches this season. Horrendous. Game after game, no shots, no hist, just floating and constantly over-passing.. Step is a poster child for overpaid and over-hipped. Is he good defensively, yes. But does he do anything great? To me, on the championship team, he is your 3rd line center. You can't even play him as your top defensive center, since he can't win the face-off to save his life. Not to say that Step is fragile, but he does get injured a lot. Does he have talent? Of course. Is he a good player when he is on? Yes. That's being said. he makes $6.5 mil per. That's top 17 overall, ahead of Ryan O'Reilly, Logan Couture, Tyler Seguin, John Tavares, Brass ($5 mil) and many others. To me, i would pick over 30 players ahead of Stepan,,,,,

andrei


Tue May 24 2016 10:57 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/finlands-international-golden-era-has-just-begun/

mf


Tue May 24 2016 10:34 am EST

Slegs: your post pertaining to Girardi certainly makes one wonder whether AV & the trainers are aware of the degree of injuries our guys are playing through... Additionally, after reading that, the fact that AV Did Not dress McIlrath for more games pisses me off to no end.

mf


Tue May 24 2016 10:24 am EST

Brassard has performed pretty well in the playoffs for the NYR: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5025

mf


Tue May 24 2016 10:07 am EST

TDCHI - I wish I could have the optimism that you have for Ranger prospects ...I did years ago but am much more suspect/patient/cautious with kids now,....But I can't argue too vehemently becasue I only see them a few games here and there....Lord knows we need some prospects to rise to the the top.......York18 - We'll have to agree to disagree on BUCH for now...not a bottom six type of player..Agree that his offense is likely ready but think everybody would be better off with a few months of polishing his offensive game so he can stay in the lineup...The only comparison I was making with GRAVES is that I think both players need more learning and expereience in the AHL for their all around game...obviosly in different categories...

Hospo


Tue May 24 2016 9:53 am EST

HOSPO, BUch is absolutely top 9, top 6 on the other hand I'm not sure when he's hot absolutely top 6. The kids game is ready offensive speaking for the NHL, it's the defensive side that makes me think he will have some growing pains. Comparing him to Graves is a really bad comparison in terms of development. Buch has been playing in what is considered the second best league in the world, which is better than the AHL, sending him down will not help him IMO the game will be slower for him, he will cheat, he will use his talent to cover up for hard work and that's not where you want this kid to be IMO. You deal with the defensive growing pains and let the kid loose on offense. Boo played really well in Hartford and stepped right in, to be honest I was actually surprised he did as well because he had a lesser role in College and was kind of thrown into the deep end in Hartford in a role he wasn't used to which was a top 6 go to guy. Do I think he's NHL ready? No, but stranger things can happen over a summer, but I dont see any reason to rush this kid let him go to the AHL get experience................TD that's interesting, it can't be coincidence that he has had only one Russian on his teams as a head coach.................KIS I agree step stays he's more complete than Brass and thing is even if it was just more complete is not enough to keep a guy. The reason to keep him is Brass is one dimensional but that one dimension is not even elite level where you can live with him disappearing or not playing two ways etc. He's a 50 point player who disappears and doesn't play hard two way hockey while Step is a 50 point player who is good in all three zones even when he's not scoring he's reliable.

York18


Tue May 24 2016 8:47 am EST

KIS - totally agree. And while I like BRASSARD, there are times when the guy looks like a bona fide top line player and others when he vanished along with his BJ comrade NASH. When he's on, he's on...but when he's off? The guy is a defensive liability. Step, OTOH, is at least responsible in his own zone even if he's not bringing much offense to the table. He's a guy though I see other teams coveting for just the reason you mention: He's a great second-line center if you have a top gun. I hope you're right and the Rangers hold onto him.

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 8:33 am EST

I think both ( brass and step ) are gery good players, not superstars but very good players. If on e is traded it should be brass. Both are close to the same level. Step is three to player for rangers. PP. PK and 1st or 2nd line. Brass doesn't PK for Rangers. To me you keep Step. He is also younger. Don't care about the trade Clause. Kid will be good for a number of years. If the Rangers get Stamkos somehow. Step becomes 2nd team center. Not many better 2 line centers in the league than that.

KIS


Tue May 24 2016 8:33 am EST

I think both ( brass and step ) are gery good players, not superstars but very good players. If on e is traded it should be brass. Both are close to the same level. Step is three to player for rangers. PP. PK and 1st or 2nd line. Brass doesn't PK for Rangers. To me you keep Step. He is also younger. Don't care about the trade Clause. Kid will be good for a number of years. If the Rangers get Stamkos somehow. Step becomes 2nd team center. Not many better 2 line centers in the league than that.

KIS


Tue May 24 2016 7:34 am EST

“One hundred percent I can be,” he said. “That’s why they signed me to a long-term deal. Obviously this year wasn’t the best for me and the whole team, but I think I can be the player I was in the past. … This is a turning point for me.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/23/rangers-player-evaluations-dan-girardi/#sthash.sNZaJQTd.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue May 24 2016 7:18 am EST

Hospo - I would agree that NIEVES at least needs a few months in Hartford. But it's worth noting that UMichigan had the powerhouse line of CONNOR-MOTTE-COMPHER and their offensive prowess coupled with WERENSKI really overshadowed much of what the rest of the team was doing. My take on Nieves is he could be a solid bottom-6 guy. Has a little bit of everything, but nothing that really makes him stand out. Really my point is more that the Hartford coaches saw him developed enough to give him a significant role at a critical moment in the season. And he was playing decent minutes, not just five or six a game...FOGARTY, who is also a decent prospect(far less of an upside though, IMO) didn't get a single game.

tdchi


Tue May 24 2016 2:13 am EST

I've really been noticing and enjoying the Blues' organ player this playoffs. He seems to have a good sense of humor. Played Bad Moon Risin' after the empty net goal. Spoofed the Jaws theme when the Sharks took a penalty. Played Monty Python's Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life after an overtime loss last round. Good stuff.

LeoS


Mon May 23 2016 10:58 pm EST

Rhet: t/y

mf


Mon May 23 2016 7:59 pm EST

Report: The Canadiens are close to signing Vadim Shipachyov.... http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2016/5/23/11754716/vadim-shipachyov-shipachev-rumours-contract-montreal-canadiens-marc-bergevin-report

Rhet0ric


Mon May 23 2016 7:55 pm EST

MF... Girardi will still have a NMC. His Limited NTC doesn't kick in until 7/01/17 and the expansion draft would be in June. The good news is that Skjei doesn't have to be protected because he just makes it under his second season. Unless something changes, Staal and Girardi need to go so we can protect Klein and MCI.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 23 2016 7:33 pm EST

Incidentally, the last Russian to pull on a Ranger jersey was ANISIMOV and that was under Torts...so there's been at least three seasons with zero Russians on this squad...and TBH, I think VALENTENKO was the last one to suit up for Hartford...so it got me wondering which came first, AV or the Rangers' apparent aversion to Russians...because I can't think of another team that has gone as long as they have(four seasons) without one on their roster....so I breezed through AV's teams...and from 2005-2006 through the present, AV has had only ONE Russian on his roster that I could find: Sergei SHIROKOV, who played 8 games over the course of two seasons before going back to the KHL for good....Not sure if it's just me, but that seems like a crazy statistic given the number of Russians in the league and that he's all but avoided them like the plague for a decade now spanning from the AHL through two NHL franchises...and next year, he'll get BUCHNEVICH....in other words, shit could get real.

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 7:26 pm EST

I'll admit I don't know SHIPACHYOV from a hole in the wall...never seen him play to the best of my knowledge and you can only tell so much about a player by highlight reel clips...but from what I've watched online and from the following description, he sure sounds like more of what we already have. This is from eliteprospects.com: "Shipachyov is a skilled center with excellent on-ice vision. He skates very well and with a fluid stride. Owns great offensive instincts and likes to have the puck on his stick. Could improve his all-around game. Isn't overly efficient in physical battles." In other words, another BRASSARD...latest rumor has it that he's headed to Montreal...which I don't really understand either...but if one is to believe the hype over this guy, he's basically the next PANARIN.

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 7:00 pm EST

VADIM SHIPACHYOV..... http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=19550

mf


Mon May 23 2016 6:55 pm EST

As for BOO NIEVES, love the name..but I saw 3 or 4 Mich igan games this past season...and he wasn't even in the top 5 forwards....Didn't see him in Hartford but expect he still has a LONG way to go until he's ready for the NHL

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 6:53 pm EST

York18 - Yeah..three kids in one year is pretty damn good....Both SKEJI and Mcilrath should be in the top 6, AV willing on Mcilrath,, I like what I have seen and heard of BUCH but am not convinced he will be ready for top 6-9 in NY to strat the season and just think starting him off in hartford (like Graves) will be the better way to go...Maybe not...We'll see...Now, if the Rangers are interested in this Shipyanov guy from Russia (leading scorer at the Championship), he's a player that can be plugged right in,..

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 6:38 pm EST

RE: league expansion: at the end of next season, we have 2 players with Full NMC's, Hank & M.Staal. Those two are "exempt from exposure" and therefore must be protected. (Rhet, plz confirm that I'm accurate on this, thnx) Any other NTC's can be left unprotected if we need to reach the “25% exposure limit” of the seasons Cap that we use. So theoretically if Nash is still a Ranger and we're ready to lose him for nothing more than a salary dump, we can leave Nash unprotected.

mf


Mon May 23 2016 6:06 pm EST

Stevie I think Skeij gets one of those PP spots right away.............MF you still like Yak?....................TD I don't think we are in for any kind of a wild ride, I think Gorton sits on his hands for the most part this off season. I don't see him making big moves because frankly he can't and doesn't have the balls IMO. He and Sather mismanaged the cap in hopes to have already won the cup and now the chickens have come home to roost. I was surprised Boo got the role he did and wondered if it was about seeing if he was ready to move up. I don't think so, not yet, but the kid could come into camp and win a spot at least till Lindberg comes back. I agree that the core needs to be woken up and trading one of them would do it, but that's the comfort zone you give guys when you put them in the drivers seat about being traded. The bigger problem is not one of them had a big year that would bring back a return worth something that would help IMO I also believe they are better as a sum than they are as individuals which brings their worth down and I just don;t see any contender wanting Nash and you know he's not going to want to be traded to a rebuild team.....HOSPO Buch will be ready this year and any time you can add three kids onto your roster at once you aren't doing bad. I sometimes wonder what people not you but people expect do they expect like 10 new kids every off season. Three guys is a good number and I think that will be plenty. I think you sour on this kids a little too easy but that's JMO you didn't think McL and Lindberg were players and they were Buch will be here and play this season. That kid is good.

York18


Mon May 23 2016 5:24 pm EST

Where we disagree, as always, is the young players the Rangers seem to have ready to play this coming year..I think SKEJI and Mcilrath is it, niothing else....Half way through the season is another story..

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 5:21 pm EST

TDCHI - Yes, STEP, isnt' my type of player but he is a GOOD player, a good two way player...I don't dislike him on the Rangers but I dislike him-Brass-Hayes as the Ranger's three centers in a big way.. Hayes would be selling way low after last year's crap..That leave either Step or Bras...BOTH would be in high demand and both should also command a high return It needs to be looked into...But I think AV favors Brass more

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 5:20 pm EST

York - I've thought of that as well...no big moves and then pepper in some of the new talent. Certainly they don't NEED to make moves...easiest thing to do is let MOORE, YANDLE, and STALBERG fly away and replace them with SKJEI, BUCHNEVICH and maybe a guy like HRIVIK...another thought crossed my mind that the might try to bring NIEVES in for a roster position. I gotta say I was a little surprised with the role they carved out for him as they were struggling to make the playoffs. He was basically their second-line center down the stretch...but I digress...I personally don't think these guys should go unscathed...I think you have to yank them out of this comfort zone they're apparently in by dealing away one of the under-performers...but I agree it's entirely conceivable that they get 'another kick at the can' so to speak...I mean, I can say that when this team clicked, boy did it ever click...the only game they won against Pittsburgh, they looked REALLY good...and we saw flashes of that during the season too...I do think they were a really talented team...but just one that was totally listless...rudderless...and I don't think leaving them together will change that in any way shape or form.

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 5:11 pm EST

moof - Yeah, STEPAN'S NTC not kicking in until next year is one of the reasons I think(fear) he's going to be traded. Step is one of my favorites. I know a lot on here aren't fond of the kid, but I am. Think he's about as solid a player as this team has had and a real soldier...and TBH, I would trade BRASSARD over him every day of the week and twice on Tuesday....buuuut...Brass has an NTC and unless you find the perfect marriage of a team that wants him and he wants them, I think you're kind of left in a bad situation. Take the last days of NASH in Columbus...all this talk that he was available...the BJs saying he wasn't even though everyone fully knew they were shopping him...They were just lucky Nash wanted to come to Broadway...because if he didn't and they couldn't find a taker...then you have a pissed-off star who knows his days are numbered not giving a damn about the team he's on....bad situation....And they're going to have their hands full trying to move Nash as it is...if, in fact, that's their plan...I don't think they move Nash unless they think they have a very good chance of signing STAMKOS...And maybe that's the first move they try to make...hold onto Nash through the draft, try to sign Stamkos on July 1 and then spend every waking moment afterward trying to move Nash...but then they'd be over more of a barrel than they already are with him....Yeah, we are in for a wild ride next month...It'll be really interesting to see if the Rangers are active on draft day and if they try to line the stars and the moon...OAN - Would absolutely LOVE to get a player like BJUGSTAD here...ZIBANEJED too...but I doubt either will be made available...then again, if the Rangers decide to trade Step, he's the type of player that could land you a piece like that....I stridently disagree with the notion teams aren't interested in him...if he's on the block, I bet there would be a line of trade partners.

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 4:46 pm EST

Think this guy reads The Wall? http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-would-trading-nash-open-up-stamkos-possibility-for-rangers/

mf


Mon May 23 2016 4:18 pm EST

Crepuscular one: At least Shitzburg lost! :-) & it's spring-season.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTuPbJLqFKI

mf


Mon May 23 2016 4:02 pm EST

MF - yeah, everybody has their own opinion (sometimes stated as fact) of what moves should or will be made...Unfortuantely, NONE of us have any clue of who's really available (except FAs) and what direction Gorton is leaning to.........I agree that that he can go in many different directions so, as many have said, it should be interesting once these boring POs are done with..

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 3:55 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/russian-coach-slams-yakupov-says-his-absence-helped-russia-medal-at-world-championship/

mf


Mon May 23 2016 3:54 pm EST

Hospo, you know by now I'll play any scenario out in the lab until we discover possibilities that make sense & can work.... So we trade Stepan, who do we target? Do we go the VIC mindset of a young, prototype build (6'2"+ 220lbs) who has not reached his prime ie: Charlie Coyle, Mika Zibanajad, Bjugstadd, (I'm NOT saying any of these guys are available) or do we chase a Vet? I'd prefer the youth route, but hech, whatever works..... Losing Sucks!

mf


Mon May 23 2016 3:49 pm EST

Sambuca on the house? Ouza?

mf


Mon May 23 2016 3:40 pm EST

Δεν νομίζω.

LeoS


Mon May 23 2016 3:23 pm EST

MF - Two areas where i totally disagree...One......The Rangers shouldn't waste one second thinking about Eric Staal,....Way too risky,, I wanted him at the deadline and also think that AV misused him but I could be wrong and it was all on Staal.....There were just too many signs that he isn't much of anything anymore....................Two......"If we're not going the STAMKOS route, I think we must accept the fact that we have a 2A & 2B combo for our 1st & 2nd lines"...You can accept that, not me..It hasn't worked in the past, it won't work in the future (CUP)...I would do everything i my power to change it (i.e., trade Stepan) .......It's not unbearable to stay with them as a 2A/2B tandem if we find nothing else, but agree that the 3rd center would have to be something much better that the selfish, floating Hayes..

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 3:22 pm EST

Hey man, it's all Greek to me.

RF73


Mon May 23 2016 3:17 pm EST

RF73: That's Cheating! Stolichnaya on the house!

mf


Mon May 23 2016 3:15 pm EST

Hospo: enjoy the the time up to the summer solstice, IMO its the best time of year... We need to see the playoff's settled, then we can see if a guy like BACKES makes sense.. There's always Eric Staal to consider too... If we're not going the STAMKOS route, I think we must accept the fact that we have a 2A & 2B combo for our 1st & 2nd lines... Then, why not have a 3rd & 4th line comprised of players that are 3rd line caliber for the 3rd & 4th line combos and forego the traditional mindset of a 4th "checking" line?? The game has and is continuing to change, make the 4th line more like the 3rd, and the 3rd more like the 2nd... This could theoretically have us rolling 4 lines which can score....

mf


Mon May 23 2016 3:08 pm EST

абсолютно, с колокольчиками на

RF73


Mon May 23 2016 3:07 pm EST

MF - We really don't hav a glut, what we have is too much of the same...At the least, one of Hayes/Brass/STEP must be swapped out with a different and betterr/equal centers..I lik Dom Moore butthought he absolutley sucked last year and like Stool the 2-3 years before him is on his death slope...Please say goodbye...IMWO Rangrs should look at FA or trades for 1-2 centers...

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 3:02 pm EST

regarding our so-called glut at center: Oscar Lindburg had hip surgery on both hips and has been reported as probably going to miss the 1st month of the season.. ""IF"" Dome Moore is not resigned, we're left with Stepan, Brassard, & Hayes, if in fact Hayes is NOT traded away... Where's the glut? ......OAN, Player Production vs their Point Production; Is Stamkos worth $6.5mill more than Brassard? $5mill more than Stepan? AND, do we want to undertake that commitment EVEN IF Stamkos wants to come to the Big City? ….. Next, if we leave the DEFENSE as McDonagh/Staal/SKJEI & Klein / Girardi/ McIlrath…… here are some basic numbers for anyone playing armchair GM / Capology: Signed contracts for next season: $56mill…. Subtract Nash & T.Glass ($9.25mill) = $46.75mill….. Resign: Kreider, JT Miller, Stalberg, Hayes, Buchnevich, McIlrath… (approx cost: $10,500,000) brings us to $57,250,000 committed to salaries, leaves us $15,250,000 to go UFA shopping…….. LOUIS ERIKSSON (LHS) (to replace Nash) $5.5-$6mill per….. DAVID PERRON (RHS) $3.75-$4.25mill per…….. Leaves us $5mill …… Naturally, any dollar negotiated downward adds to what we can spend elsewhere….. Available UFA’s: VRBATA, LADD, OKPOSO, HUDLER, BROUWER, BACKES, GRABNER, BOEDKER, ……. And whats the deal with RADULOV? Stevie: are you taking him on the Brighton Beach tour?

mf


Mon May 23 2016 2:03 pm EST

Urghhhh,,, Where to start? Well, no need to rush the best time of the year weather-wise into the offseason, as this is not the typical offseason approaching with all the expansion talk going around.... IMO, worth repeating is that The NHLPA & The Owners came to an important agreement as it relates to protecting / exposing players with varying degrees of NMC's & NTC's…. ‘“””players with no-move clauses WILL HAVE TO BE PROTECTED by teams.”””” The CBA states that a no-move clause “may prevent the involuntary relocation of a player, whether by trade, loan or waiver claim.”………… According to capfriendly.com, 70 NHL players have no-movement clauses that would be active prior to July 1, 2017. If there was an expansion draft, it would be held prior to the entry draft in the spring of 2017……………….””””Players with no-trade clauses, which allow a player to decline a trade to either all teams in the league or a modified number spelled out in his contract, ARE NOT EXEMPT and can be left exposed.””””………… Time is getting tight for the NHL if it is going to expand for the 2017-18 season…………….The 10-member executive committee, should it decide to take an expansion package to the rest of the league’s owners, will need to have a full and complete document for consideration……. The rules of the expansion draft are vital to the individual clubs as it will affect their on-ice product………………….The NHL, if it expands, will charge $500 million for a new franchise. ……..The league has determined it wants any expansion franchise to ice a competitive team……….. The framework it presented to the GMs would see each team lose ONE PLAYER if the league expands by one team and TWO PLAYERS if two franchises are added. Existing teams would be allowed to protect seven forwards, three defencemen and one goaltender or eight skaters and a goaltender.

mf


Mon May 23 2016 11:49 am EST

Bob. Your big 4 comment. That is society now a days. Including kids. No accountability. People only want to prance around and strut and want the spotlight when they do their job. When they go above and beyond. They want a holiday. If the fuck up they don't take their medicine they go and hide. I blame a lot of that mentality on ESPN oh. I'll leave it at that. I'm not getting started today

KIS


Mon May 23 2016 11:45 am EST

Yorkie. I agree with you on Maf as well. First all though I believe he makes great save and can be a good goalie I think he has way to many brain dead moments. He has won a cup because he has had some of the best players in the world I front of him. Not because he has won the series. I picked the Rangers over the caps because I feel he lets in shit goals often and the Rangers would have beat him because he isn't strong mentally. Unfortunately the Rangers didn't play him. Oh that's right. They really didn't play against Pittsburg. Amazing what can happen to an average talent swede who stands I from of the goal with nobody moving him from the crease. He scores a ton of goals. Take that same swede and body him up and he has done shite. McI need to play on this team next year

KIS


Mon May 23 2016 11:40 am EST

Hospo this is going to be a looooooong and controversial off season, and regular season.....

stevielegs


Mon May 23 2016 11:09 am EST

Thank God when your own team is a gutless embarrassing failutre with zero leadership and management one can still find happinness in the pains and failures of a rival, albeit a much better and full of heart team ......Can we fast forward to the off-season please?

Hospo


Mon May 23 2016 10:35 am EST

York that may be but not getting pp time will keep staal and Klein's numbers down . Now coach weknow probably won't have yandle and doesn't have Boyle , so he has to pick 2 new d men for the pp....maybe he will give those two a chance, but it's highly doubtful .... I have no faith in this coach and his assistants ....especially on the pp....

stevielegs


Mon May 23 2016 9:55 am EST

STEVIE I think there has been a huge miscast in terms of Marc Staal, when he was in Jrs he was not this big time two way Dman that for some reason he was envisioned when coming here. It wasn't till his third year did he really put up offensive numbers, his draft year he was known as a solid dman who chipped in offense. His third year he was used more on the PP which increased his point totals in Jrs and nothing earth shattering he put up 49 and 34 points his final two seasons. which I believe really miscast him into this Dman who should be putting up good offensive numbers and 34 points in Jrs translates into exactly what you're getting from Stall at the pro level.......TD I agree, something has to give, the current group obviously is broken, or is it the coach that is broken, or a combination of both? The question is how deep do you cut into the core? AV was stating since Dec that they were giving this group one more kick at the can which I found to be very odd thing to say at that time and at the deadline which means his job was always safe and the blame lay at the feet of the players and Gorton. As for Stamkos they can court him all they want, I just don't see any reason for him to want to come here in the least. The LTIR doesn't bother me because that comes off the cap so no worries there but I see zero reason for him to want to come and the Original 6 thing doesn't have the same allure that it did 20 years ago. The older players respect the idea of O6 but those guys are all gone, that's why you get a kid like Cagguilla signing with Edmonton and if he does want O6 Toronto is more enticing with Matthews headed there...................SULLY has been a good coach these playoffs stupid move to put MAF in dance with the one that brought you, had MAF been playing all this time and lost the game before he wouldn't have been benched huge mistake.................TD I don't think anyones trading for Yandles rights simply because everyone knows he's only going to one of three places..................DREW I agree I don't see them really making any big moves at all and see things kind of staying as is with the insertion of Buch, Skeij, Wrath, and maybe Kovac and them letting Moore go other than that maybe a role player signing and that's it.

York18


Mon May 23 2016 9:43 am EST

Every time I see the phrase "red-headed stepchild" (+/- the preface "beaten like a") I think of Hunter S Thompson. And I smile.

LeoS


Mon May 23 2016 9:29 am EST

DREW: I more or less am in the same camp. First, I don't think there is much demand for guys like NASH, STEPAN, BRASSARD, GIRARDI, STAAL and HANK at their current contract levels. So the only way any of them get dealt is to either accept a lesser deal so that another team will take their salary off the Rangers hands, or by the Rangers eating salary . There really isn't any advantage to the Rangers either way. What the Rangers need desperately is two things. They need much better talent and they need Cap relief. The reality is that the Rangers aren't likely to get either in any deals involving the big, under preforming contracts that they have. So, most of the moves will involve the bottom 6 and 5th/6th D. But, you never know. Maybe the Rangers will move one of those names. But if they do I think most folks aren't going to like the deal or what the Rangers got in return.

Vic


Mon May 23 2016 9:08 am EST

I agree with everyone that the right way to go here is to retool and look long term (trying to unload Nash, as an example). I have a feeling that we will be disappointed this year. Going into the draft, it was assumed that Cam Talbot was to net us better picks or prospects and most of us felt disappointed. I think the Core Cap Killing 4 will be back and we will see bridge deals. Basically I see some "Viktor Stalberg" type signings to round out the roster. I hope I am wrong.

DREW


Mon May 23 2016 8:54 am EST

WIOSA: I'm betting that at least 3 of the current Rangers centers that you mentioned won't be here on opening night next season. Which ones........now that is the question.

Vic


Mon May 23 2016 8:38 am EST

Gee what a shame Fleury comes in and gets a loss. Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy. Still PO'd at hiim for calling Hank names when Hank got injured and intentionally knocked the net off to stop the play. To my knowledge Mr. Goalie of the year never retracted his insults. Karma..my friend, Karma. Also love to see Sid lose and Letang - the derfenseman of the year, all class, be a -4. Sorry Haggy..I wish you well - just cant stand this team. Dont mind Sullivan, never found him to be a jerk......Onto us, something tells me we should not to for Stamkos. Especially if we have to give up Nash or Stepan. Let's face it. We keep trying to bring in a "savior". It IS a team sport. Did someone say 'will cause a logjam at centre'? We already have Stepan, Brassard, Hayes, Dom, Eric and Oscar. I would say we already have the logjam.

WIOSA


Mon May 23 2016 8:22 am EST

good ole pp sully is probably already being blamed for playing their so called #1 goalie wilted flower, instead of murray ....crybaby will probably get sully canned if they lose this series.....I sure hope so....karma....

stevielegs


Mon May 23 2016 8:12 am EST

The Pittsburgh Trib writer Rossi blasts the Penguins "Big 4" today. Apparently, 3 of them (Crosby, Malkin and Letang) were nowhere to be found when the press entered the locker room last night. Some high class "leaders" they have there. Only Fleury was present to answer the press' questions. I like the descriptor "smarmy" posted here earlier. From Mario on down......no accountability among the big names there. Their losing is always someone else's fault.

Bob


Mon May 23 2016 8:01 am EST

Agree with the sentiment that something significant is going to happen to the roster this off-season, probably as soon as next month. Tough, however, to figure out who and how. I've said a couple of times, some of the core has to be moved, for 2 reasons: 1) As we all saw, the team had too many bad games last year and part of that was due to poor leadership within the room - that needs to be addressed. 2) It would be beyond reckless to trade away more high picks and the prospect cupboard is thin - you want to make real changes to the roster, you have no choice but to use the current roster as trading chips. Everyone should be on the table, including the King and McD. Does Gorther have it in him? His track record hardly inspires confidence, but we'll see. The fact that AV is coming back isn't exactly encouraging, IMO.

RF4L


Mon May 23 2016 7:54 am EST

At this point I would love nothing more than to drive Dick Rash “outta here”…and while the thought of Stamkos is appealing on the surface…does it not repeat the current level of insanity whereby having so much money tied up in a couple/few players mean that the supporting staff once again is substandard and we repeat the same performance we just endured?…because when it’s all said and done it will be the same coach who will be using/not using/mis-using players until his ass gets canned.

RF73


Mon May 23 2016 7:29 am EST

tdchi no doubt sather wants stamkos, he claims he had him a few years ago but they reneged....getting rid of dick rash besides cap space has to be more than that. They have to replace his offense and defense, even if it's just regular season production. But adding Stamkos will create a log jam at center, and eat up any cap space, which should mean another center gets traded unless they are really able to play wing. The major problem will probably be changing the roster way too much to compensate for a coaching staff that will continue to flounder during the season, and the playoffs if they make them. Eventually the coaching staff will be gone with a roster put together for them and their flawed system . ...not a good scenario.....

stevielegs


Mon May 23 2016 7:27 am EST

Agreed, trading the STAAL brothers is fantasy...my wishful thinking at best...unless of course their was a little wink-wink-nudge-nudge when Eric was dealt here...try him out and if you don't like him, give him and the younger brother back...but again, not likely....YANDLE'S rights, however, I think you could trade and get at least a second or third rounder. Maybe both.

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 7:23 am EST

Man, there was some late-night fist pumping after JOHNSON'S goal...The better team won, and now the lying, cheating Penguins are up against the wall...Lots of playoff hockey left to play, but it is SOOOOOO nice to wake up and see the Pens and their captain and his dirty Sanchez mustache and their smarmy douchebag owner on the ropes. And Sully going full-retard by throwing the wilted flower between the pipes for two straight losses, thus instilling the age-old 'goaltending controversy.' Gawd...I can almost taste the palpable angst that is hanging heavy over Steel Country and all their shitty fair-weather fans...the sweat cascading off of Butman's fat head...knowing that his Golden Showers boys could be one goal away from hitting the links...Please, please, please make it so. I don't care who hoists the cup as long as it's not this worthless scrub of a franchise and the dirtbag network that sings their praises(PeNBC). Let's Go TAMPA!!!

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 7:12 am EST

York - I don't disagree with anything you posted. My thinking is that management has/had two options going into the off-season: Either fire the coach or cut deep into the heart of the lineup. Those are the only two ways I see them instilling the culture change this team needs...and obviously, firing the coach isn't on the table. So then the question becomes how do you change the listless cruising nature this club had last year? Start by trading the passengers...and the one guy who is always riding shotgun is Rick NASH. The problem, as you well point out, is that you're going to get pennies on the dollar for him now...the advantage, however, is that it would free up at least $5 million in cap space...maybe more if you can find a club that doesn't require us eat some of his contract...Now I know you don't think STAMKOS is interested in New York, but I'd argue he's exactly the type of player Sather and this franchise has historically courted. Stamkos would give them a true number-one center and as evets mentioned, would make STEPAN or BRASSARD expendable. And talk about a culture change...you're bringing in a guy who has sat on the sidelines of the playoffs this year champing at the bit...Signing Stamkos certainly is a risk, because he's going to probably want a $70 million contract for the league maximum...and he's a guy who could be one blood clot away from the LTIR or retirement...and with him, you'd end up having something like $19 million tied up in two players...why would he want to come here? Well, original six franchise with one of the world's best goaltenders, has a solid core and a deep lineup with plenty of playoff fight in it. If he doesn't resign in Tampa, I would bet that the Rangers quickly slide into the pole position in the race for Stamkos...with him penciled in, you can let the dominoes fall. And you can let some other team adopt the red-headed step child that is Rick Nash without having to worry about what you get in return.

tdchi


Mon May 23 2016 5:07 am EST

Strange to be hoping a team wins in the semis which I wanted to lose last season in the semis. ... Thanks fugitive and veendontknow ....

stevielegs


Mon May 23 2016 4:57 am EST

“There’s no question we’ve played a lot of hockey and a lot of guys in this room have played a lot of playoff games,” Staal said. “I don’t think it effects you in a playoff round where you get beaten that badly. We were just outplayed and it has nothing to do with fatigue or mental fatigue.” The things I like about Staal’s game: He stays on his feet instead of sliding out of the play as many of his defense mates do, and blocks shots with his stick (as the Pittsburgh Penguins do). We’ve discussed it here, in the comments, that Staal seems to ratchet his physical game when he’s involved in some nasty stuff, though he doesn’t to it enough. ..... His first pass must improve, and he has to find ways to hit the net with his shots. Staal never did reach pr even approach the offensive potential some saw for him. Some of the defensive problems, for sure, were with the top six forwards and their defensive indifference. Some of it was the puck-chasing mentality and lack of structure therein. I think Staal was fairly good at times, but — again, like everybody — inconsistent throughout. He was saddled for a lot of the season with Dan Boyle on his right, and much better most of the time with Kevin Klein there. When Ryan McDonagh was out injured, Staal at times stepped up (as did Keith Yandle). At times he didn’t. But I think he can be better, and wouldn’t be shocked if he is. Nor would I be shocked if he isn’t. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/22/rangers-player-evaluations-marc-staal/#sthash.YjGxaItd.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun May 22 2016 11:04 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mikko-rantanen-bound-and-determined-to-take-on-the-big-boys-in-the-nhl-next-season/

mf


Sun May 22 2016 10:25 pm EST

Busy weekend that just got better when our main man KRISTOPHER Letang hug a nice -4 on this night. Couldn't happen to a bigger jerk. Add that Skidney and Igor have been NO FACTOR and it was a good night.

Bob


Sun May 22 2016 10:16 pm EST

TB wins in OT....

WIOSA


Sun May 22 2016 10:15 pm EST

And my final Birthday present of the night............Letang is -4 !.......................you know how when you meet an athlete you might want to ask for an autograph...........well , if I met Letang ,I think I'd punch him in the mouth...just sayin'.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun May 22 2016 7:45 pm EST

LEO: No, none of the long time Blackhawks qualify. On your suggestion for next year, that would be an interesting one. I'd have to track that one manually. It would have to be several ranges to pick from.

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 7:32 pm EST

While I'm spamming the Wall, Vic, I thought of something if you do another season predictor for next year: how many timeouts will AV use?

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 6:06 pm EST

Or was his leg injury last year before the WCF?

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 6:02 pm EST

Oh! Rozy.

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 5:48 pm EST

Shoot, you said played. I think Morin was with Chicago but didn't play :(

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 5:45 pm EST

Jeremy Morin

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 5:23 pm EST

Brad Richards?

schneidw


Sun May 22 2016 5:20 pm EST

Oh right he gets 3 outta 5. Dang.

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 4:39 pm EST

LEO: CALLY has not.

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 4:34 pm EST

VIC - racking my brains for anyone beyond the 4 ex-Rangers (BB, RC, AS, CH)

LeoS


Sun May 22 2016 4:29 pm EST

Quick trivia question.....Name all of the players that have played in 4 Conference Finals in the last 5 years?

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 4:23 pm EST

Rhet/York: back to the lab I go....

mf


Sun May 22 2016 3:43 pm EST

MF yeah well I tried watching baseball and found watching paint dry to be more exciting. The problem I have with your thought is I'm pretty sure Carolina already knows where they stand with E Staal in terms of coming back and what it would cost. I don't think they need to give up a pick to do it, considering he was already just there and they got picks to send him away. Now comes the second equation IF E Staal goes back do they want Marc and does he want to go there my answer to that is probably not, and no. Why do they want Marc I'm sorry having three of them is not some kind of million dollar marketing benefit this is Marc Staal not McDavid......>WIOSA What I found disturbing is they brought in E Staal to play and I'm betting for leadership because he was a captain for many years and if you listen to what Staal said in a round about way was he kept quiet and was just trying to fit in here and felt he wasn't used correctly. That to me shows a huge disconnect between the coach, Management and the locker room and that is kind of scary, because it seems like they are just throwing darts at the wall, which explains Stool, Etem, etc......RHET Agreed no one is trading for his rights.

York18


Sun May 22 2016 3:32 pm EST

...why did the 4 flames (sounds like a 50s rock and roll group) turn down the invite?

WIOSA


Sun May 22 2016 3:31 pm EST

Happy Birthday Newfie....Go Canada!

WIOSA


Sun May 22 2016 3:26 pm EST

CANADA wins GOLD!..........nice Birthday present for me..........(.screw the 4 Flames who turned down the invitation).........and Happy Birthday to KARA ,where ever you are !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun May 22 2016 3:15 pm EST

MF... Maybe the NYR plan all along was to bring in Eric Staal and then use him purely as their third line center so he'd get pissed off and leave. Marc then seeing how his brother was treated would sour on NY and be willing to accept a trade. Seriously though, no one is going to want Eric Staal's right's. All that would do is give them a bit more time to negotiate with him and the ability to offer him an extra year on a contract. The way he played this season, IMO, no one will be lining up to sign him. Teams will be interested, but I doubt there will be a rush to get his rights. Well maybe, the Flyers would be dumb enough, but that's about it.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 22 2016 1:55 pm EST

Thanks KIS...." AV should know the team didn't have his speed and should have adjusted. He didn't He thought quick would give that speed. He isnt as quick or powerful as hags. Kreider became a tough fast player especially in the playoffs but he is different than Hags and not as quick" BINGO. It's not about the loss of a third line winger, even a good third line winger, it's that NOBODY, not Sather, Gorton, or AV seems to know what they have on this team. Nobody knew that third ine winger was making Hayes hustle. Nobody knew that MSL was delivering leadership that wasnt going to be replaced. Nobody even thought about the loss of the defensive production from both. THAT is the issue.

WIOSA


Sun May 22 2016 1:10 pm EST

Good to see another grammatically challenged post from my boy KIS, (aka Mr. Worldwide,) Bottom line is the Coach has to go, Hags was a good Ranger with intangibles, Larry Brooks is a tool, if this Club trades Kreider and/or MCI, I am bailing on them. Hope you all are doing well.

pa.rangersfan


Sun May 22 2016 12:59 pm EST

Y18: Welcome back, man this off-season seems to have flown by quickly :-), let me play the devils advocate on packaging the Staal boys.. 1st logical destination, Carolina: they're in a rebuild and they know the character of the Staal family: ask Carolina if they’re interested in the rights to negotiate with Eric, and tell them that we are willing to eat varying degrees of Marc's cap hit on a sliding scale based upon the return in trade. (obviously, Marc has to ok the deal) The Canes then try to coax Eric to sign a cap friendly contract, maybe he'd go 3yrs @ $5mill per just to pull a # out of thin air. This gives the Canes a huge marketing ploy during their rebuild and the Staal boys an opportunity to play together… Maybe they can get their little brother promoted to the 4th line as part of the negotiations….

mf


Sun May 22 2016 12:56 pm EST

"from a very reliable source?" http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Radulov-NOT-a-Slam-Dunk-to-Colorado-Who-Else-Is-In-On-This/1/77131

mf


Sun May 22 2016 12:47 pm EST

I was looking at the list of upcoming Free Agents this summer and had some thoughts... STEVEN STAMKOS - 26 yo - He's a gamebreaker and a stud center and if the Rangers move out some salary they should absolutely go after him. He had 36 goals this year and would make one of Brassard or Stepan expendable and a trade asset to add a scoring winger or solid defenseman. JAMIE MCGINN - 28 yo - from THN: "Can play a sound defensive game and also displays streaky goal-scoring ability. Works very hard when on the ice and is also quite versatile up front." He scored 22 goals and 39 points last year, has good size at 6'1" and 210 lbs, and would be a really good addition to the third line, probably playing on the left side with Hayes in the middle. MIKKEL BOEDKER - 26 yo - from THN: "Assets: Is one of the fastest players in the game, and he uses his wheels to create plenty of havoc when he's on the ice. Also displays sound two-way instincts. Can play either wing position effectively. Boasts sound offensive ability. Flaws: Could stand to shoot the puck more often, since he is not a consistent goal-scoring threat. Needs to continue proving he can handle the constant pounding and taxing schedule in the NHL, since he is somewhat injury-prone." He'd be a nice addition, but frankly I'd steer clear. We already have two inconsistent young forwards in Kreider and Hayes. KYLE OKPOSO - 28 yo - He's a guy who could flourish in a new setting, but he's likely going to cost too much on a contract which will get little bang for the buck so I think it's a bit NO to Okposo. MILAN LUCIC - 28 yo - Ditto. LOUI ERIKSSON - 30 yo - There is no doubt I'd love to add this guy if NASH goes in a trade this summer, but for me, it doesn't come down to salary, but term. If he's willing to take a four year deal, I'd be all over him... but something tells me he's going to get six years from some team, somewhere. JASON DEMERS - If the Rangers can get out from under Girardi's contract, here's a guy I'd like for them to add to their backline. Has good mobility, has a good first pass, and can play a physical game.

evets1980


Sun May 22 2016 12:41 pm EST

Wisoa glad to hear your ok. As for this Hagelin Bullshit, Ive had enough. Now even Lb is joining in. People give it a fucking break about the guy. He is gone. It had to happen. He wasn't gretzky Messier or Lemiux. He was a third line player here. He wasn't playing ahead of Nash or Kreider nor did he deserve to. He wasn't better than Zucc on the other side. He found a situation that has worked perfectly. He is playing with two good players in Kessel and Bonino or sometimes Frankenstein. That situation is perfect for Pittsburg. Kessel sucked up in Toronto, who the hell is bonino. Frankenstein can be arguably ranked one of the top 10 player in the world. Hags has great speed and he forced a different dynamic. He isn't here. It has been poor coaching. AV should know the team didn't have his speed and should have adjusted. He didn't He thought quick would give that speed. He isnt as quick or powerful as hags. Kreider became a tough fast player especially in the playoffs but he is different than Hags and not as quick. Hags is quick and fast yet has hands of stone. you want hags back bring in Gerber. That guy is fast and is a good penalty killer. Here is my thought on Nash. Bad time to trade the fucking guy. as Yorkie has said, he is good one year bad the next. Well he is due for a good year this year. Still, trade him but not during the summer but at the deadline when you can get more for him. Let E staal leave. Let Yandle leave. MCD Skjei and Staal or Valentenko or a cheap journeyman D will be good for the Right. Move the M steal if you can as well. on the right side 5 will be fine with the rest, KK and MCI will make a good right side. All the RFA we have are at the teams mercy no need for any of them to get a huge raise. Not even JT. they are good players not difference makers. they should be happy for a modest raise. If another team offers them the world, let them go and take the draft package due from them. This team will be fine with some tweaks. Please lets stop this bullshit of how Hags is such an amazing great player. He is one player, he is gone and the COACH needs to adjust.

KIS


Sun May 22 2016 12:35 pm EST

TD: from your 9:30 post, would that not be the return Colorado got for O'reilly? You motivated me to recheck Stepan's contract, looks like his NTC doesn't kick in until the 2017/2018 season... http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers ........ Stevielegs: yes but which players get us to the promised land???

mf


Sun May 22 2016 12:33 pm EST

TD as much as I think moving Nash is a good move and should have been done there are a few problems to consider the first is he chooses the teams he can go to and somehow I see that list of teams all being contenders, not teams on the rebuild. 2) Going to one of those teams means one of those teams wants him, or should I say needs what they hope he can bring which is an impact scorer, which leads to problems 3 and 4. 3)Nash has a rep at this point as a guy who doesn't show up in the playoffs but also doesn't show up for full seasons, the old excuse was it was because he played for the BJs, that excuse can no longer be used which now puts him in a more realistic light which is an over paid under performing winger. The return on him will be lower than you hope, maybe a late first rounder at best and a project player but that's it IMO, the Rangers will have to eat 1/3 to half his salary which will also mean the other team is donig the Rangers a favor by taking him on which means less of a return 4)Trading in the offseason is never as sexy as the deadline where teams pay more to load up in terms of picks. 5) teams no the Rangers want to unload him and are doing them a favor and that they are hamstrung to only talk to 10 teams which means the line is not large and the Rangers are not in the drivers seat, they can hold onto him or deal with what they can get. I don't see how you can package the Staal brothers when one is a UFA in another month and 10 days. I agree if Hayes ever gets his head out of his ass he can be a good player, I don't think he's ever going to get to that point. He doesn't like to skate back and in todays NHL that is a huge problem. He didn't have a bad year this year, he just didn't improve offensively and was horrible in turning the puck over and not skating back. I think he's going to be one of those guys that plays for 6-7 teams before he either gets it right or gets left behind. Stepan is gong no where because they have no one to replace him and you trade him you essentially open up a real hole that they have no one ready to fill, it's not like they are drafting Matthews this coming draft.

York18


Sun May 22 2016 11:09 am EST

Wiosa if fishboy does to the NYR what that cabbie did to your car the results might be the same...the NYR will be totally destroyed.....they just need a couple of parts and a new coach.....unfortunately he's a little slow on the coach part.... he needs a turbo charger....alias a kick in the can....

stevielegs


Sun May 22 2016 11:01 am EST

I fear, with all our juggling, and our lack of dependable role players; with underperforming rookies - we really dont know what we have. Who could say Yandle and Nash were not solid terrific players? Us. That's who. Because they havent had the supporting cast to allow them to play their game. I feel like we have a host of variably talented hockey players all dressed alike. Not a team,,,,just a group. Of course, JMHO

WIOSA


Sun May 22 2016 10:57 am EST

Drew, RF4L, Vic...Thanks as well. Still smarting but hanging in there....VIC hear, hear. This was my point as well. First and foremost nothing wouldve been done if they didnt have the cap crunch. Secondly, nobody saw Etem as the bring it NOW cure-all for the offensive production they were needing. Then, they undervalued Hagelin. It was a double whammy. Poor player evaluation, and poor cap management. Now, had they won the cup with the overpayment to the vets which created the cap situation, that part wouldve been forgiven. They didnt, so it caused them to have to deal, and they dealt the wrong player.

WIOSA


Sun May 22 2016 10:27 am EST

TD: And yesterday when you said..."Look, the Rangers didn't NEED to trade Hagelin, despite what the common consensus is here. They could have very easily moved YANDLE last summer, promoted SKJEI or signed someone for chump change as a third-pairing defender...or moved STEPAN...or...well...there were any number of moves they could have made and gone into the season with Hags signed to the multi-year deal he wanted. And while Hags says they never negotiated, I'm sure the Rangers knew his starting point...Ultimately, they saw him as a replaceable player, which is why he was moved. "....I totally agree with you as well and that is my main argument for calling Rangers' management INCOMPETENT. There is no doubt they had to do something because of the Cap situation. It is what they chose to do that is the issue. They could have made many other decisions that would have been in the best interest of the organization both short term and long term. Yet they screwed it up....again. They saw the wrong guy as replaceable. They overvalued other players who did less in terms of helping the Rangers actually win games, especially in the playoffs. INCOMPETENT.

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 10:22 am EST

TD: You said..."...but there was a time not too long ago when Hank was making pennies on the dollar for what he was doing for this team. They just wasted all that time by surrounding him with scrubs and going after enigmatic pieces of garbage like NASH instead of real impact players."....On that we agree 100%!

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 9:40 am EST

Vic - That is how the Hockey News article is framing the argument: Can teams win with a weak goalie, not can you win with an inexpensive goalie. And say what you will about QUICK, but he's among the top five goalies in the league...certainly, Hank's contract is a bummer...but there was a time not too long ago when Hank was making pennies on the dollar for what he was doing for this team. They just wasted all that time by surrounding him with scrubs and going after enigmatic pieces of garbage like NASH instead of real impact players.

tdchi


Sun May 22 2016 9:30 am EST

I think this team is in for a MAJOR shake-up this off-season. Not sure how it's going to go down, but I suspect there are at least three significant pieces moved. My hope is that one of them is Rick NASH...I'm of the belief the Rangers gave him one last shot to be the impact player he was brought in here to be...and clearly that was far from the case. I'm not sure what his value is and there's a good chance the Rangers will need to eat at least SOME of his salary...but I think a deal is possible...and really, it's something the Rangers need to do. You can't have a guy making $7.8 million and be as inconsistent as Nash is. Sad thing is because of his NMC and bloated contract, they're not going to get nearly what he's worth. But I still think he'll bring back a late first/early second rounder and a mid-level prospect, which is a tough lump to swallow...whatever comes back for Nash ain't going to replace his production/spot in the lineup, no matter how meager it seems...the other guy who I think is a goner is HAYES. I don't agree the guy is WYSIWYG...think he's got another gear and will make some NHL team very happy one of these days if he can ever get his brain in gear. But with AV destined to come back and with the number of centers on the roster, I just don't see how he stays on the team...the other guy who I really don't want to see traded but believe he will be is STEPAN. He's one of my favorite Rangers, but he's also an easy asset they could move to get a good return back. His contract is a little high, but doesn't have an NMC or NTC, so he's someone they could package to bring back a young impact player and/or decent first-round pick...I look at the return the Sabres got back for O'REILLY and see something like that coming in exchange for Step...Also wouldn't be surprised if the STAAL brothers are packaged...As much as I'd like to move on from the YANDLE era, I do think the Rangers are going to try to keep him. Staal gets moved, the Rangers end up with McD, Yandle and Skjei down the left side, which is a pretty decent look over there...I don't think GIRARDI goes anywhere. Can't look at his season last year and his contract and not see him as a toxic asset...I think their only option would be to buy him out and they'll give him a chance to turn it around before that happens.

tdchi


Sun May 22 2016 9:17 am EST

MF: We've been saying that about goaltending for years. TD: The issue isn't "Can you win with a weak goaltender?". The issue is "Do you need to have one of the top, most expensive goaltenders?". The answer is clearly NO. QUICK, CRAWFORD and RASK aren't in the same league as HANK or PRICE. Yet, they have been good enough to win. Mostly because their contracts were low enough so that their team's could afford to have better players in front of them. And we've done this exercise a million times around here but it is worth mentioning again. If you look at who has won the Cup since the lockout the evidence is overwhelming that you need to have a dominant #1 Center much more then you need to have a dominant elite goaltender. The other thing that has always bothered me is the way Ranger fans talk about and compare the Rangers to other teams. Most fans don't get why the Rangers don't get a lot of respect around the league and with other team's fans. Ranger fans get into these arguments about who is the better team all the time and are shocked that people disagree with them. I mean we have HANK right? So we are the better team right? The answer is pretty simple. If you evaluate your team based on the fact that you have an elite (superior) goaltender that will steal games for you (at least you think he will) what you are saying is that your TEAM is inferior yet you think you can win because your goaltender will make more ridiculous saves then the other guy. And that is the way other people see the Rangers. They see the Rangers as being a mediocre team that can win if its goaltender stands on his head. And they are right. STEPAN, BRASSARD, NASH.....these are inferior players to guys like KANE, TOEWS, KOPITAR, CROSBY, MALKIN, etc. They are even inferior to the next rung of players who really haven't won anything yet either like AO, BENN, STAMKOS, SEGUIN, HALL, TAVARAS, etc. The Rangers best players are actually pretty damn pedestrian by comparison. And HANK is in his mid-30s now and clearly already isn't the same guy he used to be. He can still bring it for a stretch but those stretches are getting smaller and much less frequent. I know all of this will go in one ear and out the other of a lot of folks here............because...... we have HANK..... so...................

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 9:08 am EST

WIOSA: Glad to read you're okay...sux about the new car, but as all are saying, material goods are replacement...

RF4L


Sun May 22 2016 8:50 am EST

'The Cat' looks back at his remarkable hockey career.....https://www.nhl.com/news/emile-the-cat-francis-reflects-on-hall-of-fame-career/c-280769318?tid=280428014

RF73


Sun May 22 2016 8:45 am EST

Watch and listen to these refs .... Maybe the NHL would if they gave a crap .. Clues from the clueless ...http://www.skoften.net/item/even_meeluisteren_met_een_nhl_scheidsrechter

stevielegs


Sun May 22 2016 8:35 am EST

WIOSA: Sorry to hear about your accident but glad to hear you are ok. That is all that matters, the rest can be fixed or replaced.

Vic


Sun May 22 2016 8:16 am EST

Newfie/schneidw/mf - I'm not so sure about that...In fact, the whole article mf posted is based on the premise that JONES, VASILEVSKIY, ALLEN and MURRAY aren't good goalies. That's a very dangerous assumption right there. All are very talented goalies in their own rite. They may not be considered elite, but they're hardly sieves...Jones especially. That guy was a number-one goalie playing second fiddle to one of the best goalies in the league for two years...certainly, it's weird to see a conference final without QUICK, CRAWFORD, LUNDQVIST and RASK...but truth is Quick, Crawford and Rask have five of the last six cups...the last ''weak" goalie to win a cup was NEIMI, and he had an all-star team in front of him.

tdchi


Sun May 22 2016 7:02 am EST

WIOSA - I haven't been on since late last week. I'm so glad you're OK. Your health and safety come before a vehicle. Hope my fellow "whoever plays the Islanders" fan is doing well and in good spirits.

DREW


Sun May 22 2016 1:31 am EST

SCHNEIDW - Really? I would trade any of Brass, Stepan, Hayes and MZA , not to mention Girardi, Staal and MCD, in a New York second for the right deal to change the make-up of this team and bring in some badly needed talent and/or leadership..OTOH, AV is still the caoch, so nothing really matters

Hospo


Sat May 21 2016 10:48 pm EST

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/friedman-thinks-these-teams-radulov/

mf


Sat May 21 2016 9:37 pm EST

NASH_ Only tradeable player of value the NYRs have right now that I am willing to part with..... I like NASH, but he is not worth the money for inconsistent production and being injury prone... I would trade him yesterday if I were the NYR GM... The NYRs didn't seem any less effective when he was on the IR this year... NYRs need to reset, not rebuild.... Losing Yandle for nothing is going to HURT.. otherwise, all good... the Lundquvist contract is the albatross more than Girardi.. JG has a partial no trade... the KING has full no trade...

schneidw


Sat May 21 2016 9:32 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/goaltending-not-as-important-in-the-playoffs-as-it-used-to-be/

mf


Sat May 21 2016 9:26 pm EST

NEWFIE NYR- I posted the same thing a few days ago.... who are these goalies anyways??

schneidw


Sat May 21 2016 9:09 pm EST

Newfie, If he had agreed to a deal, possibly.

WIOSA


Sat May 21 2016 8:12 pm EST

Sitting here watching James Reimer entering the game for the Sharks and a thought crossed my mind. The goalies for the final 4 teams are............Jones,Reimer, Allen, Elliott,Bishop, Vasileveski, Murray and ofcourse Fleury..................makes you think that Cam Talbot just may have been enough................Hank could've brought in a couple of pics and maybe a #1 centre ???????.......Just sayin'.........

Newfie_Ranger


Sat May 21 2016 7:31 pm EST

RF: Ryan Ellis with the GWG: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ellis-blast-helps-canada-down-usa-head-to-world-championship-gold-medal-game/

mf


Sat May 21 2016 5:50 pm EST

Thanks Bob, glad youre back! Yorkie ditto. Youre probably right, Im hoping i can get the same car, it's only 2 months old!...TD, we do agree on something :)

WIOSA


Sat May 21 2016 4:47 pm EST

Bob, glad to "see" that your hemophilia is under control, hopefully it stays that way....

mf


Sat May 21 2016 4:33 pm EST

WIOSA sorry to hear about your accident better the car is totalled you don't want a bashed up fixed car they never run the same and more problems pop up later let your mechanic call it totalled the insurance will look at it probably agree get another new car. It's safer too no matter what once a major accident happens the cars integrity is not the same. Good to hear you're okay.

York18


Sat May 21 2016 4:15 pm EST

Glad you are OK WIOSA. Now that my eyes have stopped bleeding, I am dipping my toe back into the RFC pool. We'll see how long it lasts.

Bob


Sat May 21 2016 3:23 pm EST

ALL, thanks so much for your concern about my accident. I think the car is totalled, not sure. Glad we're all ok, but still bummed.....Didnt get to watch the whole game last night, but looks like MAF is back, after going down 4-0 someone sat back on their laurels, allowing the Pens to get three goals and some really quality chances. Well at least they held on to win.

WIOSA


Sat May 21 2016 1:35 pm EST

How can the USA JV squad even be IM this game with Canada?

Bob


Sat May 21 2016 1:06 pm EST

Events, I believe that buying a player out is very expensive / punitive, it has been discussed here before... I don't think buyouts are an option, eating salary, yes...

mf


Sat May 21 2016 12:31 pm EST

I mentioned the potential for trading for Tyson Barrie about a week ago. He's the guy I want on the back end running the PP. Let Yandle walk. Trade Nash for anything. Retain salary in a trade or buy out Girardi. Then, if possible, expand the trade and try to get Matt Duchene. I'm thinking Kreider, Brassard and another piece for Barrie and Duchene. Then they can sign a guy like McGinn in the offseason.

evets1980


Sat May 21 2016 12:13 pm EST

“IMO” we MUST trade Nash for a player & at least 1 pick…. It would then be great to move Girardi for a pick 2 or 3 (depends on the round we accept back) It’s time to restock some picks, we can fill voids via the UFA market… UFA’S LOUIS ERIKSSION (LHS – 30y/o) should more than make up for Nash’s production, we may be able to sign him in the $5.25-$6mill category.. MIKKEL BOEDKER (also a LHS. 26.5 y/o offers you a speedy 35-50 point producer. He’ll probably cost $3.75-$4mill…… to be continued………

mf


Sat May 21 2016 11:55 am EST

TYSON BARRIE: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-if-avalanche-make-tyson-barrie-available-rangers-could-be-a-good-trade-partner/

mf


Sat May 21 2016 9:58 am EST

WIOSA - Glad you are OK..and sorry bout the car

Hospo


Sat May 21 2016 9:58 am EST

WIOSA - Glad you are OK..and sorry bout the car

Hospo


Sat May 21 2016 9:04 am EST

WISOA - Sorry to hear about your crash. I hate cabbies almost as much as I hate the Pens...Regarding your post, we actually agree: The Hagelin deal WAS a miscalculation. And it certainly did contribute to the demise of this team last season. I'd be a fool to say otherwise, considering his contributions to the PK, which absolutely sucked for the first time last year probably since the lockout. Look, I think there's a lot to be said about the Rangers frivolously casting away their role players...Hagelin among them...and I think the team last year hoped they'd get back 2014-2015 Regular Season Rick NASH, not the waste of flesh that showed up last season...And that KREIDER, MILLER and HAYES would all step it up...But let's put things into perspective here: Hags was one player, and one player does not make a team...If, in fact, the Rangers were THAT bad of a team, then maybe they really do need a top-down overhaul.

tdchi


Sat May 21 2016 8:37 am EST

Vic - Yes, I know...there's more than just stats at work with Hagelin...look, I've been watching the guy play since he was in Michigan. I was one of the first people here to mention what we had in Hagelin back before the Rangers even signed him. He's doing now exactly what he did in Michigan. But he's not close to and never will be an elite player...Look, the Rangers didn't NEED to trade Hagelin, despite what the common consensus is here. They could have very easily moved YANDLE last summer, promoted SKJEI or signed someone for chump change as a third-pairing defender...or moved STEPAN...or...well...there were any number of moves they could have made and gone into the season with Hags signed to the multi-year deal he wanted. And while Hags says they never negotiated, I'm sure the Rangers knew his starting point...Ultimately, they saw him as a replaceable player, which is why he was moved. Grouse about the return, that's fine. But realize not one but two teams moved Hagelin last year and it's not because they saw him as an uber-talent. By saying all this I'm NOT saying he's a bad player at all. I think there's a lot of virtue in what you and others are saying about him. He is a great forechecker and for his size, he's a warrior. Yes, he opens up ice for others and he's got good vision...knows where he needs to be...but this isn't a guy who has hands or a quick release or a booming slapper or who can check with impunity. He's not a dynamic passer and can't quarterback plays...He's got his speed and vision and that's about it. He's a great complimentary player and if I had my druthers, he'd still be a Ranger. But this business with him being the downfall of this team is just over the top nonsense. Just pure gibberish. I know you've already said you don't believe that so I won't harp on the point...just there's no evidence to me that Hagelin is even close to the type of NHLer you have in a guy like NASH, STEPAN and BRASSARD...those are three very complete players...if Hags was in their league, he'd be in New York or Anaheim making the big bucks right now. No way two teams passed on him because he was a superstar rising.

tdchi


Sat May 21 2016 8:18 am EST

RF4L - I'll be honest, I didn't watch much of the Caps series because I hate both Pittsburgh and Washington from the top down...from the players to the fans...but I'd say Washington's two major problems are that they have a captain who tries to take the world on his shoulders when the going gets rough and the smarmy punk they have between the pipes...and on a third note, their top-line center vanished like he often does in the playoffs. I don't think size or speed was an issue with them....Their dominance in the regular season covered up a lot of warts in the regular season, IMO.

tdchi


Sat May 21 2016 8:11 am EST

So Hagelin was the only guy was lost from the President's Trophy team? Interesting. I thought there was someone else. Like a future Hall of Famer or a guy who scored 50-plus regular season points. Maybe a locker room leader? A guy who wore the A? Nah...must have all been Hags. That's why we suck. Bingo. That's the ticket.

tdchi


Sat May 21 2016 5:48 am EST

“This was a team, you know, they had over 100 points in the regular season,” Staal said. “There were a lot of guys in spots that were doing real well. I didn’t come here to ruffle feathers and to demand to play in certain spots. I came in to try and fit and be someone that could hopefully produce in a role to help us be a balanced team and go for a run. Clearly that didn’t happen and we just didn’t find the consistency in our game to do well. And I didn’t find enough consistency in my game to produce and do well. I don’t know exactly why. It just didn’t work out the way I wanted, as a group or individually. Pittsburgh Penguins v New York Rangers“It would have been nice to see what I could have done in different chances, but there were good players in good spots that were doing well and they had the year they had for a reason with certain guys.” He said he was never promised anything before waiving his no-trade clause to accept the move to New York. “We never discussed roles,” Staal said. “I came to be on a good team and hopefully go on a long run. I came in to try and fit. There were moments that were good, but not enough. For me, I’m not making excuses. I needed to be better than I was. But at the same time, it is what it is and that’s how it played out.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/20/rangers-player-evaluations-eric-staal/#sthash.p7xAP6Je.1fYK5YeP.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat May 21 2016 5:31 am EST

They can trade Nash but they better have a replacement for his spot and points etc. even if they get 2 guys. But it will just probably those wonderful picks or prospects some want that have zero to do with the present . As far as I can tell so far , fishboy is just an errand boy for Sather . They need to fix the cap situation but not at the price of being a contender , and become another competitive rebuild bs. No matter what the roster is until they address the coaches and their system , and their playoff performance . Fishboy ala genius will just be rearranging the chairs on the titanic trying to catch moby dick.... And they'll be left holding their moby dicks in their hands. ... Que sera sera .... It's become fairly obvious weknow as them bsed and is playing cya. Here comes 8 new roster players in the make believe ballroom of retool. Becoming as usual a "work in progress "....alias the brain rust circle jerk....which is where the real problems are ...

stevielegs


Sat May 21 2016 12:43 am EST

MF/RHET - Would be a good start but trading NASH will mean little if we stay the same down the middle....And then we are still stuck with AV and his lack of motivation and personnel sense behind the bench....so...

Hospo


Fri May 20 2016 10:14 pm EST

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/friedman-potential-rangers-trading-rick-nash/

mf


Fri May 20 2016 10:12 pm EST

WIOSA: Glad to hear you're alright... Wearing a helmet? :-)

mf


Fri May 20 2016 9:12 pm EST

All the Rick Nash trade talk going on today and no one here is talking aboot it? ....SCHNEIDW.... Stamkos current health woes will not be an ongoing condition. This will be a one off thing for him as it's not a hereditary one. Long story short, once he's past it, he should be done with it. At least that's the prognosis.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 20 2016 9:06 pm EST

Wow ! Malkin looks like a 7 million dollar Hayes...................Please don't trade this stiff to our team........please !..................Wiosa, sorry about your bad luck !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri May 20 2016 9:02 pm EST

WIOSA......your ok and you have insurance. Everything else is secondary.

MelvilleFred


Fri May 20 2016 9:01 pm EST

Wonder what kind of ratings they're getting for these playoffs? And again what the hell was Tampa management thinking by screwing with Drouin.....man that would have been some pickup.

MelvilleFred


Fri May 20 2016 8:56 pm EST

Wiosa.... Glad to read that you're okay. it sucks about your car, but it can be replaced while you cannot :)

Rhet0ric


Fri May 20 2016 8:52 pm EST

Off topic...just got slammed by a taxi trying to pass someone. Shook up but not hurt...my brand new car smashed to hell. Trying to be happy that nobody is hurt..but Im just so upset.

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 5:35 pm EST

Thanks Vic!....Listening to NHL analysis (I think I need an intervention...) the Penguin series sog reflect puck posession of course, well the sog for the series so far are 124-69 Penguins. Whoa!. Not only that , there are four players in the NHL today who are a point a game. Cavaleri (or something like that) and then Crosby, Malkin and Kessel. Hello? Sheesh. Okay. The song Wake Me Up When September Comes is starting to buzz in my head. Im going through Rangers withdrawal.

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 5:33 pm EST

Vic- I think all you have to really do is compare last years Rangers (presidents trophy, deep playoff run) to this years Rangers (middling team, blown away in playoffs) to see the value of Hags since he was the only major difference in those two teams. I'm not gonna say he's 'better' hockey player than Nasher but what we got for the guy was embarrassing. I was thinking we could at least get a guy like Yak for him not a roller hockey guy who scored one highlight reel goal. Either way I would fire Fishboy right now based on all the moves Schniedw has pointed out. So far his claim to fame seems to be rolling over like a cheap whore when Slats (rightfully) tried to hold the line against StevieY. And the Staal move as well as the Yandle non move was almost as bad in that he so grossly misjudged again. So now he is shit out of luck and so are the rest of us. Like I said following the deadline (last time to undo some of the lunatic trades we had made), his moves cost this team 3-5 years of losing YEARS. it's coming my freind.

_Arc


Fri May 20 2016 5:22 pm EST

Last I read, Oscar Baby is going to miss the first month of the season. This may save one of our existing center's career as a Ranger.....

mf


Fri May 20 2016 3:43 pm EST

tri-focals ...try them....i'm deaf in both eyes, and blind in both ears.....

stevielegs


Fri May 20 2016 3:29 pm EST

They make bifocals for fingers?...Gotta get me some of them.

RF73


Fri May 20 2016 3:10 pm EST

they=the, uosell=upsell, Time for bifocals, I think :(

LeoS


Fri May 20 2016 3:08 pm EST

schneidw - 2 goals in 5 games (4pts) for Nash constitutes a career year for him, playoffs-wise. They guy had all of THREE goals the year we went to the Finals (10pts in 29games). That should be how they uosell him to sucka GMs. (!)

LeoS


Fri May 20 2016 1:35 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - They better! Starting with trying to deal Nash...dealing one of Step or Brass......Maybe dealing HAYES.....Saying bye-bye to Moore, Boyle, Yandle...maybe a trade of a significant D-man..

Hospo


Fri May 20 2016 1:32 pm EST

RF4L - Personally, I love watching the "heavy" teams....the Sharks bore the hell out of me and are so hard to watch,...as are the Pens and TB...and the Bkues for that matter....But that is the way the NHL is going.....straight down the drain....and barely oirth watching with the lack of physical contact...Oh well, to each their own..

Hospo


Fri May 20 2016 1:21 pm EST

GM GORTON: 2015/16 accomplishments so far: •Signed unrestricted free-agent center Jarret Stoll, who lasted 29 games before being released •Traded winger Emerson Etem after he proved to be an unsuitable replacement for Carl Hagelin. •Signed unrestricted free-agent winger Daniel Paille, who played 12 regular-season games and no playoff contests. •Acquired Eric Staal as a trade-deadline rental for prospect Aleksi Saarela and two second-round draft picks. He scored zero postseason points* Didn't trade Keith Yandle when he had a chance to obtain a first round pick in return

schneidw


Fri May 20 2016 1:11 pm EST

STAMKOS: Gotta wonder if he will get the BIG contract knowing his medical condition is real IFFY... his contract may not be insurable... I would pass if I were a GM...

schneidw


Fri May 20 2016 1:05 pm EST

Harsh to consider Lee Stempiak had more goals than RIck Nash this year... and Nash provided no offense once again the playoffs.... I believe NASH still has trade value.... he did score more than 40 goals 2 years ago and ONLY has 2 years left on this contract so he is a worth pursuit for teams, no doubt... I have a feeling the NYRs are going to look much different next year....

schneidw


Fri May 20 2016 12:01 pm EST

Another reason I like the Sharks: They are (I hope) the answer to reducing from the league this incessant desire to build 'heavy' teams. LA is a heavy team and they were eliminated in the first round. The Ducks are a heavy team and they were eliminated in the first round. The Blues are a heavy team and while it's only 2 games to 1, they look overmatched. Finally. I get having big players and guys who can handle the intimidation and physical play. But you need speed and skill, too. Or you should. Winning via intimidating the opposition worked for Boston but that was 5 years ago. Despite the NHL's inane reluctance to call penalties, the game has gotten faster since then. Heavy teams are being left behind. SJ has a very nice combination of size, strength, speed and skill. In the east, the 2 teams that left are built on speed. IMO, that's where the Capitals erred - their off-season tweaking the last 2 years seemed more associated with their perceived need to compete with the west (in the finals). Their GM looked too far ahead and in doing so, failed to recognize the need for speed. At least, not enough. Adding WIlliams and Ochie helped, but lumbering prickjobs like Oprick drags them down. Good. The Blues, BTW, have on their roster Crowder, Reaves and dickface Ott - all skill challenged nobs who try to intimidate. I was pulling for Chicago to bump them in the first round, didn't have any faith Dallas, with their mediocre goaltending would get it done last round. Hopefully, the Sharks end it for them soon. It's human nature to copy what's successful - the Sharks winning the cup will help, I hope, in getting rid of the heavy team concept.

RF4L


Fri May 20 2016 9:20 am EST

And YORK, I wanted to follow-up from your last comment to me yesterday. You have a lot of nerve throw that "...Dude you don't care if you're wrong because you'll just make shit up to be right now..." crap at me. So now the MSL deal was a good deal? So were you just making it up when you said "RF It was a horrible trade along with the Prince trade and the Yandle trade, the MSL trade, the Nash trade, the Gabby trade away. I honestly think Sather AND Gorton shite the bed when it came to trades during the last 5 years" (Mon Apr 25 2016 3:40 pm EST).......Or were you just making things up on (Wed Apr 27 2016 2:57 pm EST) when you said ......"...MSLs mom doesn't pass that would have been a whole different year...". Please give it rest. You and I had no issues until I said (in January if I recall correctly) that the Rangers made a mistake in drafting McIRLATH. Again, not because of McILRATH but because of who they passed on. Get over it.

Vic


Fri May 20 2016 9:02 am EST

WIOSA: Good posts today. I wanted to say the same last Saturday but by the time I got to the Wall to post it was kind of late for that.

Vic


Fri May 20 2016 9:01 am EST

TD: If you can't see that HAGS is a better player then NASH I don't know what to say. You are so focused on stats, specifically offensive stats. And you are so focused on name value, draft position and juniors level evaluations. Please take a step back and forget what you "know". Just look at what you see on the ice and evaluate it for what it is. And for the love of God please divorce the concept of "Better Player" from offensive stats because there is so much more to this game then that. Especially historical stats. All you need to do is ask yourself this one question. I have a big playoff game tonight. Would I rather have XXXX in the lineup or HAGS. Who is going to help me win this game more? Because that is who is the better player right now. And there is no question in my mind that I would rather have HAGS in the lineup then NASH, STEPAN or BRASSARD. I know what I'm going to get from HAGS. I know that I'm going to get outstanding defense, tenacious forechecking and great penalty killing. I'm going to get 100 percent effort on every shift. I'm going to get a player that impacts the game every time he is on the ice. Can you even remotely say anything similar about the others? Can you say that all three of the others wouldn't play the game and then leave you wondering if they were even dressed, as they have done so many times? And I haven't even mentioned that HAGS is producing offensively as well. For the last 3 years here are your point totals in the playoffs: BRASSARD (32), STEPAN (29), NASH (28) and HAGS (28).

Vic


Fri May 20 2016 8:48 am EST

Stevie..Was Haggy worth 4 million to the Rangers? I dunno. Ask the Pens, who could not get Kessel moving, no matter who they put him with if they feel he was worth 4 million and they would laugh. That and more. How much did they pay for Kessel?

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 8:16 am EST

any coincidence the pigpens went on a roll with the trade for hagelin? ....having 1 or 2 of his type of player keeps the d back or they get blown by, among the many things he does well.....is he worth 4 mil?....to me he is but that's my opinion, only because no one on the nyr did what he did....just like guys like prust and boyle, replaceable but missed.....i'd take prust back and say goodbye to glass....

stevielegs


Fri May 20 2016 8:00 am EST

RF4L, absolutely. NOBODY should think Haggy became a scorer, that is not his game. In fact Sullivan put him on the PP one game and I was stunned. (he scored too! lol). Haggy opens up the ice, he hustles, he makes you skate faster, he is tenacious on the forecheck and one of the best PKers Ive ever seen. He is NOT a scorer. I dont care what Pitts beat writers think. That lines main thrust is Kessel. Haggy opens the lanes for him, and keeps the pace. Youre right about having to defend against three potent stars..Crosby, Kessel, Malkin. No team has that good a defense. Right now the onus for opposition seem to be stop line 2, the HBK line. Of course that opens up line 1....

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 7:51 am EST

Something to keep in mind about Kessel and his success in this year's POs: He is benefiting greatly by having Crosby and Malkin in the lineup with him, but not on his line. Teams only have so many effective checkers and top pairing d-men. Who do you put them out against? Crosby? Malkin? Kessel? Yes, in that order. Kessel is on the 3rd line - he has first line skills and to his credit is using them to his advantage. It took him and the coaching staff (a 2nd set of coaches actually) to realize where he's best suited to play most of the season. IMO Hagelin helps a lot on that line, but it's Kessel making it go. If he was a Ranger he'd be THE man and like Nash, regularly seeing the top checkers and top pairing d-men. It makes a huge difference.

RF4L


Fri May 20 2016 7:42 am EST

...thinking as the coffee is hitting me. Chree-ist I hope it wasnt a miscalculation on AV's part as well. THAT would be worse. How could HE not know what his players are contributing. Easy to sit in the glass booth and think youre seeing a jump start by a young center/winger, and not realize it's the defensive winger that is hustling him along. Another thing to work with these guys day in and out and not see it. STEVIELEGS, yes, youre right. Or as Pen fans said when that line came alive - he was the little cog inbetween two big wheels that were not spinning. when he first started in Pittsburgh, he was on the line with Malkin and Kessel. They werent clicking.

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 7:38 am EST

....and I hope it was all Sathers miscalculation, and not Gorton, but Im thinking he might be just as guilty.

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 7:37 am EST

TD I would like to say your smarter than that. Read between the lines. We dont need this guy anymore, not even at the salary he's making, we have JT, Hayes, Fast, and Kreider. All more promsing offensively than he is. We free up the Cap space, gives us money for all of them or one of them, and we still get a run at the cup. No, they didnt ask him, because they had no intention of even paying what they presently were. No they didnt want Etem...What offensive/defensive skills was he showing? They took him, why not? Cap hit was low...no problem. He was dealt in less than a year for a future prospect. He wasnt counted on for the cup run. Neither was Haggy. They miscalculated. Shite happens. No, they didnt ask what he wanted. Surprised him too. Look TD it's a deal they made that went south because they did not realize all of his contributions. Like they didnt realize the leadership role MSL obviously brought to the lockeroom. Miscalculation.

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 7:34 am EST

Hagelin was the "straw that stirs the drink" ...for the nyr, and is doing it for the pigpens.....no one took up that role on the nyr.....

stevielegs


Fri May 20 2016 7:31 am EST

WIOSA - So they didn't even ASK what his contract demands were and it was "FORCED" by the cap? C'mon. You're smarter than that. You don't sell off your assets to pay a debt you don't have or know about. That's crazy talk. Logic it out. Deal was done because it was a deal the Rangers liked and they were looking at what their cap was going to be down the road. They weren't interested in keeping Hags on a bridge deal, which is why they never bothered negotiating with him.

tdchi


Fri May 20 2016 7:28 am EST

Rhet0ric - re: KOVACS...we can hope. I'd really like to get to a time when the Wolfpack actually have decent young talent and not just NHL retreads. Interesting that we could go into next season with Kovacs, Stromwell, Fogarty, Gropp, Nieves and possibly Mantha there, joining the likes of Tambellini, Graves, and Andersson...good young group of players.

tdchi


Fri May 20 2016 7:24 am EST

TD..."Very seldom are deals forced by the cap" This one was. How do I know? Because they said it was. How do I know that they never even attempted a bridge deal or to find out what Hagelin would take? Because he said so. He told the press after the fact what he wouldve accepted, never told the Rangers - they never asked. There was no reason for either group to lie. As you said, half the teams in the league are Cap strapped. We are one, we are still Cap strapped. I do think the Rangers,( like York pointed out,) did not see that Haggy was getting more out of Hayes (and JT ) than they realized. I think they were confident that one or both of those guys and Kreider would step up to the plate to compensate for the loss of the OFFENSIVE production of MSL, and Hags. I think they felt it would be a break out year for Kreider (HA!). I think they felt that Haggy was a third line journeyman, who is giving all he's got, and was a solid little hockey player who would net them something in a trade, they wouldnt have to pay him more, they could get one of their young to take his place and give them the money. Didnt happen. In fact Hayes and Kreider took a step back. JT took baby steps forward and NONE of them replaced the defensive input of both MSL and Haggy. Bad deal? Yes. Dont give a damn how it helped or hurt the Ducks, Pens, Vancouver. It hurt us. Bad deal. Maybe Jensen will turn out great - hoorah - seriously. I dont need time to see if the deal was good or not; It wasnt. We made that deal to improve the team NOW. For the CUP. Not for tomorrow. We obviously, didnt. Will there be a bonus down the road? Hope so, but it's initial calculations were bad. Only thing it did was free up cap space. Which [[shrug]] if you didnt care about making a run for the cup - hell you couldve cut anyone, dealt Nash, Stepan...NO. The idea was a run for the cup AND get cap space. Miscalculation of what they had. Im hoping it was ALL Sather.

WIOSA


Fri May 20 2016 7:24 am EST

Vic - Hagelin was more valuable than STEPAN? Really? Come on now. And even as much as I dislike NASH, there's no question he's a better player than Hagelin...Again, there's this RFC Wall haze that seems to turn this guy into some uber-hockey player. But here's the reality: The guy has never scored more than 17 goals and 39 points in a season. Never. Excellent bottom six player, but beyond that? He's fit very well into the Penguins' system...in part because they have two of the best hockey players in the league on the other two lines and Phil Kessel riding shotgun on his line...but he obviously didn't do squat with PERRY and GETZLAF or any of the Ducks' big guys...And that's one of the many reasons why I find this whole belly-aching over Hagelin rather ridiculous.

tdchi


Fri May 20 2016 7:13 am EST

Jumbo Joe's stats are HOFish: 964 assists (1,341 points) in 1,367 regular season games.

RF4L


Fri May 20 2016 7:10 am EST

Hospo: Agreed, especially Jumbo Joe. He's still a very effective player. I am rooting for SJ, primarily because I've always like Joe and hope he gets to win a cup before he retires. He's been much maligned by many IMO over the years. From everything I've read and seen, a genuine nice guy.

RF4L


Fri May 20 2016 7:00 am EST

WIOSA - re: cap management. This is the cap-centric NHL. Half the teams in the league have issues with the cap. Was the Hagelin deal cap-related? Of course...where I stridently disagree is that it was FORCED by the cap, which was the general consensus here. Very seldom are deals forced by the cap. They're done with the cap in mind, but not necessarily forced. Take for instance Pittsburgh. Talk about a team against the cap...Pittsburgh has been shoehorned against the cap for years now...to the point where it amazes me that they can continue to add high-ticket players. But they do. Where there's a will, there's a way. The Rangers could have easily made a few sacrifices in 2015 that would have allowed them to sign HAGELIN long-term...hell, even for his $4 million contract...or they could have punted to this off-season by signing him to a bridge deal, which he was open to discussing...but the braintrust figured they could land a couple assets and give themselves a little more wiggle room down the road. Time will tell whether the deal was worth it or not. Right now, it's easy to feel the pain with what the Rangers were lacking and how Hagelin has come alive in the playoffs(incidentally, his performance so far has been a major statistical anomaly when you take his career into consideration). But if the Rangers end up with two NHLers for Hagelin? I doubt anyone will be griping about it.

tdchi


Fri May 20 2016 6:50 am EST

As for CALLAHAN, I tell you what: They felt it this year. Certainly we'd all be bitching about his salary. But they could have used him in so many different capacities. But it's not JUST Callahan. It's the sum total of all three players they shed to Tampa AND Hagelin. It just so happens the only one of the four we have anything to show for IS Hagelin...which is why I say PERSPECTIVE. I don't think you could take any one of the four, insert them into the 2015-2016 Rangers and see a team that would be markedly different than what we saw last month. But all having all four? I don't know.

tdchi


Fri May 20 2016 6:44 am EST

York - Really, dude. You need to slow down and read. Yeah, Hags said he'd take a deal for less...a BRIDGE DEAL. Guy was prepared to ink a $2.7 million bridge deal. Easy case of pay me now or pay me later. In no way shape or form was that guy going to sign a multi-year where he was going to take much less than $4 million. Show me one place where he or his agent said otherwise .

tdchi


Fri May 20 2016 5:01 am EST

for whatever reasons the nyr did not have the desire or will in the playoffs....plenty of blame to go around......

stevielegs


Thu May 19 2016 10:40 pm EST

RF4L - So are Joel Ward and Joe Thornton..and they are far from spent....and they have been pretty damn good..It's not about getting the youngest or the oldest, it's about geting the best fit and the right mix teamwise....These 4 teams have showed you need the mix of young and vets....Rangers have that,,what they need is some high octane offense and some attitude...We shall see....Gwet one of the Russians (Rad or Ship)...somebody like Shaw..and there ya go..:)

Hospo


Thu May 19 2016 9:31 pm EST

Watching some of the SJ/StL game and OMG, thank goodness Gorther didn't pursue Patrick Marleau, which were the rumours off and on for a couple of years. He is spent from what I can see but oh so typical of the type of player the Rangers have acquired all too often over the past 20 years.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 8:53 pm EST

Promises! Promises!

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 8:19 pm EST

Yorkie, you are correct...I liked trading for MSL, I did not like what we paid. That's all. It was right to bring him in.

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 8:16 pm EST

Yorkie, nope dont know about you, nor you about me. I am always a student of the game, dont deny that. What I do know, is management. It is not unusual to have your assists run interfernce for you, or to negotiate for you. In fact, that is their job. Glen Sather had the right to negotiate the deals he wanted - without approval from Jeff Gorton. Jeff Gorton could not negotiate the deals he wanted without approval from Glen Sather. Now here's the thing. You can have Joe Blow negotiate your deals, you have to approve them. Your assistants are an extension of your regime. If they negotiated a shite deal, and you approved it...you own it. That's it. So who did the talking is irrelevant. Who did the signing? That's all that counts. The deal for MSL, for Yandle, for Hags were all SIGNED by Glen Sather. Negotiated by? I could care less, they were Sathers. The deal for Eric Staal was Gortons. Who negotiated it? I dunno, could care less, it was signed sealed delivered by Gorton. That's the way management works. Now did Sather choose his alter ego to be the new GM? You could be right, I dont find the MSL and Staal deals to be similar, but time will certainly tell. Either way, I respect your knowledge on the sport, your debate style is a tad rough, but your knowledge I have used - and given credit - on other sites.

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 8:12 pm EST

I can't be bothered with the actual stupidity that litters this board in the off season, Ill be back when there is real hockey to talk with the few that can actually do that here

York18


Thu May 19 2016 8:11 pm EST

WIOSA I know you agree with most he has been fleeced on a great many deals but what you all cant admit is he didn't get fleeced on that deal, they didn't win the cup but they came damn close, closest they came in 20 years and that was because of that deal but deals are only good unless you win a cup, so I guess every deal made that doesn't equal a cup sucks. You're another who thinks the Nash deal was good and Nash is a great player for 8 mil shows exactly where you stand on what a good deal is.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 8:07 pm EST

WIOSA, yes I have been in management I have run businesses I chose to walk away because I didn't like that kind of work. It's obvious you know about as much about me as you do hockey which is very little which is how you got your name last I checked.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 7:42 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/video/would-you-like-a-tic-tac/t-280064652/c-43999303

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 7:26 pm EST

Full of intelligence. Yes. You're right on that one!!!

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 7:19 pm EST

Uh-huh, as suspected, youve never been in management. I agree with most, Sather got fleeced.

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 6:58 pm EST

RF way to avoid the scenarios since it would prove you're full of it.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 6:58 pm EST

WIOSA you don't get tired of being wrong do you? Let me help you here like I said Sather backed out of the deal because he and Yzerman butted heads, Gorton took over because those two were getting no where. Now ultimately did Sather have to okay the deal? Of course he does just like he can still veto a deal today if he wanted being president. What you fail to realize or want to comprehend is that Gorton has been in the drivers seat for longer than you think.....................RF that's it? that's all you have? What's next I'm rubber your glue? it's obvious a village is missing their idiot right now since you're here posting.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 6:06 pm EST

Lolol. Ahh wrong again york. I cannot be the stupidest because I'm brighter than you.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 6:02 pm EST

Yorkie, Im getting the impression you have never been in management. For the last time, the GM of the New York Rangers, is the person responsible for approving deals, salaries, etc. The official GM during the MSL trade was Glen Sather. If he had his minions do the legwork, [[shrug]] that is what minions are for. Sather had to approve it, unless youre saying Sather was removed from his position and had no say in the workings of the team, and he's just a figure head. As for making me feel better, so Im in denial? I have no clue what Gorton will do as the GM. I saw the Staal deal and already told you, I dont think it was that bad a gamble. We're between a rock and a hard place. Let's see what he does this summer. I wasnt impressed with last summer.

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 5:52 pm EST

RF I honestly am at a loss here because you have to honestly be the stupidest person on this board, or you're just pretending to be one. I'm going to explain something to you since you're obviously clueless to a number of things, I would say it monosyllabic for you but that would take forever. MSL was a 30 goal scorer and had another year on his contract, Marck Staal was a 10 goal scorer and a UFA this year. Now granted I know you may have trouble counting son but you're going to pay more for something that is better that's just how life works. In case you didn't know 30 is more than 10, let me say that again for you 30 is more than 10. Now that we have that out of the way I hope, because frankly I don't know if you actually understand that relatively speaking they are equally bad deals with your thinking if you can call it that. With that out of the way I will pose two scenarios, let's say the Rangers traded for Staal who went on to only score one goal and was a minus 17 for his tenure with the Rangers but they won the cup in spite of his horrible play and useless output, was it still a good deal since they won the cup, or is it still a bad deal because Staal really contributed nothing to them winning the cup? Now let's flip this around, let's now say that MSL came to the Rangers and played like he did last season when he got here, or even worse and they still managed to win the cup, no mothers day heroics etc is that still a bad deal, or is it a good deal because they won the cup despite the fact that MSL in this version contributed nothing and was just killing whatever line he played on like last year? Good deals, bad deals what are they, does winning a cup excuse a bad deal, does winning a cup make a bad deal a good deal, does a good deal become a bad deal because said player sucked?

York18


Thu May 19 2016 5:34 pm EST

Read york READ. 2 firsts is a higher price to pay vs 2 seconds. I mean WTF...I realize I'm a little brighter than you but surely not by that much!!! Errr. Well perhaps I'm over-estimating you in that regard....

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 4:09 pm EST

RF how was the Staal trade not as bad, two second rounders and a prospect for a guy who did NOTHING, meanwhile the MSL trade got this team to the cup finals. Oh I see, because you claimed it was a good trade when it happened then it can't be as bad, my fault. How's that Nash deal coming along by the way the other deal you thought was brilliant?....WIOSA of course you don't think he's responsible because you don't want him to be it makes you feel better about him as the official GM. Denial is strong. Well with your thinking NO GM in the league is actually a GM its the president who deserves all the credit for deals. Well if that's the case why do they even bother having a GM?......R47 like the others you're missing a key point Yzermans back was not against the wall, MSL asked to be traded to NY and said he didn't want to play for Tampa a couple years earlier and Yzerman didn't not oblige him and kept him for a couple more years, well he was prepared to do the same thing again. Remember MSL only a year and a half left on his contract. and Yzerman would have let him play it out.......VIC really I don't remember seeing MSL mom scoring goals or leading this team. What I do remember is MSL coming back and scoring a huge goal on mothers day right after his mother died. I remember a team rallying around MSL but man i guess I saw that all wrong. Dude you don't care if you're wrong because you'll just make shit up to be right now lets move on to the second thing you are saying that is not true Yandle was not an expiring contract and neither was MSL Staal on the other hand was an expiring contract. If they don't move that contract has nothing to do with the deal being made that is something entirely different and one has no connection with the other. Your analogy was horrible, first very rarely does a guy get traded at the deadline who has a long term contract in the bag, second it's not like putting down on 4 because you can still move said players before their contract expire in terms of MSL and Yandle. Staal is like going all in on 4 I agree and that was a disaster, but as they say no risk no reward. This notion of a deal is only good if you win the cup is stupid at best, you have to get to the cup finals in order to win the cup and if said player is instrumental in bringing said team to the cup finals then the deal served its purpose. The Yandle deal, and the Staal deal were failures, and I said they would be. I called both deals horrible when they happened you have no argument from me there. The MSL deal was important without him no cup run, and his leadership was obviously severely missed this season which means he had a bigger impact than just points on the board.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 2:24 pm EST

Vic: I get the MSL storyline......but I remember going to game 4 and MSL was so bad he was boo'd out of the building.....they we get Krieder back for game 5.....he make a great play early on to keep the play alive on a power play which results in a goal and we took off from there....I thought that one play was huge in the series.....

jnyr


Thu May 19 2016 2:14 pm EST

YORK: I'd give you the 3 for 4 if MSL came here and through his play he was instrumental in getting the Rangers to the Finals. But we both know that the Rangers were one game away from the golf course when MSL's Mom died. She had more to do with the Rangers coming back and winning that series then MSL did. But the other reason I won't give you the 3 for 4 is that it (just like the YANDLE and STAAL deals) was an ALL OR NOTHING, deadline deal. Anytime you are trading players, draft picks and prospects for the expiring contract (or career) you are making a monumental, cluster F&@K of a mistake. Because the only way the deal can be considered as being good for the team is if you win the Cup. Any other result has to be considered at best damaging and at worst a disaster. I know you will reply that both MSL and YANDLE still had another year on those contracts but if you don't move that player prior to the deadline of the next season it is an expiring contract. You are basically getting the one playoff run out of him before you NEED to move him or lose him for nothing. That is a bad gamble no matter how you look at it and bad management. It is no different then walking into a casino and putting all your money on number 4 on the roulette wheel. If you win it was "Brilliant". If you lose you are an idiot. And the odds of you winning are at best a long shot.

Vic


Thu May 19 2016 1:44 pm EST

...for much less...

Ranger47


Thu May 19 2016 1:43 pm EST

York: If we had won the Cup and one believes that there was no other way to get MSL here, then I guess you would have to agree with you and say it was a "good deal". But what I think people are saying is that Yzerman's back was to the wall to trade MSL specifically to the Rangers. And, given his weak negotiating position we WAY overpaid for MSL. So, IMHO, we should have gotten him to much less than we paid - thus making it a bad deal. Again, JMHO.

Ranger47


Thu May 19 2016 12:39 pm EST

Or blisters on some fingers! LOLOLOL....

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 12:34 pm EST

York,,,The point is not that Thornton stayed a Shark after fighting with the management, it's that the Sharks - who were supposed to win it all (of of 3) Tanked in the first round. Then they stripped the C. I dont think Gorton is a moron, because we agreed to stop debating, but I dont feel Gorton is responsible for the deal. Again, I have no problem with getting MSL. I had a problem with what we paid. Well agree to disagree on this. I spent many years in management. I may not have made a purchase, or a decision, but the person I assigned (as Director, or Manager) did, therefore - I - was responsible one way or another. I will NOT believe that Jeff acted without Glenn's knowledge and consent. Whomever has the title, bears the blame. That's MY interpretation of management. ...Moving along before we get peoples' eyes bleeding again :)

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 12:32 pm EST

No york, the Staal trade was a mistake, too. It wasn't as severe a mistake. I don't care what the results were (if that result isn't a cup). Stroke it anyway you want dude, it was a dumb trade.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 12:07 pm EST

RF So two guaranteed second rounders and a prospect were worth a guy who scored 10 goals and is on the downside of his career but MSL who had 30 goals wasn't worth what he was traded for? One got this team to the cup finals the other got this team where? As for what Cally would have fetched you really think he would have brought back kids and picks LMAO you're dreaming and you follow that up with it would have been a good deal if they won the cup, well they wouldn't have been in the cup finals if that deal hadn't happened.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 11:59 am EST

And of course any deal is worth if a cup is won. What a silly questoin.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 11:58 am EST

Yep, I liked the acquisition of Staal. IMO, he was misused by AV but it's irrelevant because even he got top 6 minutes, the Rangers were (and still are) in a state of disarray and that wouldn't have helped. Just so we're clear, I was against any deal that meant adding an aging pending UFA for youth/picks but took the lesser than 2 evils approach on the Staal deal because it seemed clear Gorther was intent on making such a move. I thought targeting Staal was reasonable and I was relieved a 1st rounder didn't go the other way. Overall, I was not for it, just as I wasn't for the MSL and Yandle deals (for the same reasons). To me it's a small victory (very small) that the Rangers got to the cup final. You can rejoice all you want for that one - I'd rather have the 2 firsts back and whatever Cally would have fetched in youth/picks.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 11:55 am EST

RF you didn't call it a bad deal before it happened that's just bullshit because if it was a swap of Cally for MSL there was no way you were saying it was a bad deal so please stop with the bullshit about you calling a deal that didn't happen a bad deal when you didn't even know what the deal was.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 11:53 am EST

RF last I checked you were singing praises for the Staal deal when it happened how did that turn out? What you called when the trade was made that day I guess doesn't count since you were not even close on that one. Yet the MSL deal brought the team to the cup finals the furthest they have gone since they won the cup

York18


Thu May 19 2016 11:52 am EST

RF if they won the cup was it a bad deal?

York18


Thu May 19 2016 11:50 am EST

York: You can stroke it anyway you like but for me, it was a bad deal when it went down (and I called it that way BEFORE it even went down) and it's a bad deal now. Gorther got fleeced bad. Carry on tho!

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 11:46 am EST

WIOSA FYI the reason Gorton had to take over negotiations with Yzerman was because Sather and he were at each other and from what I have heard insults were thrown out at each other starting with Sather.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 11:42 am EST

RF We have been around this already had we won the cup it's a good deal, but because we lost its a bad deal? Absolutely stupid logic IMO the question that needs to be answered is simple was MSL a direct result in this team making it to the cup finals? Answer yes, makes it a deal that was good. Rick Nash who you loved coming here was a HORRIBLE deal, has Rick Nash been a direct result of this team not winning a cup? Answer Yes, his disappearing act every spring has caused this team a cup. See the difference?...............WIOSA Help me out here where is Thorton playing right now again? Obviously it didn't kill things because the are in the conference finals last I checked. Here is the thing you seem to be missing here, Yzerman snubbing MSL was the straw that broke the camels back, MSL as I stated had already requested a trade to the Rangers before this happened and Yzerman did not oblige him and low and behold he played just fine for the Bolts up until his second request to be moved. Obviously you don't understand how Yzerman works he doesn't get handcuffed look at what happened with Draistl sp? He didn't balk on him either. Yzerman does his thing on his terms and had he not gotten the deal he wanted MSL would have stayed a bolt AGAIN! You want to think Sather and Gorton are complete morons okay then believe that, but if you don't think that they would have given up less if possible you're kidding yourself. No one gives up more than they have to if the other team is willing to take less. What do you think happened Yzerman asked for a second rounder and Cally and GORTHER said oh hells no you have to take two of our first round picks and Cally or no deal?

York18


Thu May 19 2016 11:13 am EST

Yorkie, we agree on Hags, BUT we will agree to disagree on MSL deal. As a GM you want your PO'd Captain - who publicly demanded a trade - in your lockeroom for the season? Look what happened to the Sharks when Thornton was publicly fighting with the GM and stripped of his C. Yzerman left MSL off Team Canada, which really did not sit well with him..among other things. I really dont think Yzerman was sitting too good on this one. The Rangers just capitulated because they were 'cup bound' and he was the 'missing link'. Turned out he was...we went to the cup finals. I cant argue picking up MSL. I argue what we paid.

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 10:52 am EST

2 firsts and Callahan was a ridiculous price to pay for MSL. Gorther got fleeced.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 10:51 am EST

Gleff Gorther = Glen Sather + Jeff Gorton, fabulous amalgamation of GMing expertise. One has a job for life, despite achieving nothing of true note since 1989 and the other...well...we simply don't know yet, but so far he's done little to be excited about.

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 10:34 am EST

TD Where did they feel the departure of Cally? They made the Cup finals and conference finals back to back without him, sorry but Cally leaving wasn't the problem, Stralman, and Boyle? Yeah but not Cally. You also ignore the scenario where Hags said he would have signed for less to stay in NY, but hey don't let that stop your fantasy that seems to just continue. Perspective now LMAO you should get some since you seem to be lacking it when it comes to Etem and Hags.....LOU the funny thing is the Pizzas in the locker room and what not were never showing an adverse effect on Kessel what happened was you paired that with his poor attitude and work ethic and it was just bad. His speed and ability have always been there no matter how many pies he was eating......VIC you went 3 for 4 MSL deal brought this team to the cup finals and a few bounces from winning a cup and his leadership was obviously a huge loss this season hardly a loss on that trade.....WIOSA you say the Rangers were in the drivers seat and you couldn't be more wrong Yzerman was in the drivers seat MSL was not going to walk off the team he wasn't going to be sat, he would have played and would have contributed Yzerman did not have to trade him, if you didn't know this was the second time MSL wanted to be traded to NY in a few years, notice the first time it didn't happen. MSL can say I only want to go to NY and Yzerman can simply say you can and will with the proper deal or you will have to play here. Yzerman is gangsta he doesn't balk for anyone and I'm not saying this, it has become his rep.

York18


Thu May 19 2016 10:32 am EST

what's a Gleff Gorther ?

stevielegs


Thu May 19 2016 9:46 am EST

Vic, you are correct. I didnt debate it here, I did on another site. The person I was debating was saying we didnt have a cap problem (hello? Earth to poster). When Hags was dealt and they admitted it was a cap issue, he went on to say 'no, it wasnt a cap issue, it was because Hagelin sucks and we really wanted Etem". Yeah, right. No, I agree with you Vic, we did not want Etem - he was a consolation prize for having to do a cap dump. I too think we undervalued Hags. The MSL deal I didnt mind, but felt we paid way too much, we were in the driver's seat in that deal. So yes, it's the mismanagement that is so offensive, not the actual trade. I agree

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 9:35 am EST

Hayes led the team in points last year after February or whatever it was. That is an indictment of the rest of the team imo and not how good Hayes was. Remember MSL had a terrible second half and Nash pulled his usual. He had a hot streak where his offensive game clicked. He did nothing in the playoffs. I remember him getting plastered by Stamkos as well in the ECF and really did nothing for that series. He is what he is. Why do you think we were able to sign him...

NYStranger


Thu May 19 2016 9:34 am EST

Vic: LOLOLOL...yep! I've said it all along - the return that the Hagelin deal fetched is the bigger problem. Gorther got fleeced, just as he did in the Talbot deal. That makes me cringe when I ponder what might happen at the draft (and over the summer). Of course, that will not include a trade of the King - he's gonna fizz out just like so many of the aging stars in NY before him. Gleff Gorther SUCKS!

RF4L


Thu May 19 2016 8:56 am EST

WIOSA: It is that, but it is so much deeper as well. It is my opinion that management (and that includes SATHER, GORTON and GORTHER) have done a poor job of evaluating both the players in their own system, and players from other teams who they covet. I'm not an NHL GM. I gather that none of the rest of you are either (although I may be incorrect in that assumption..;-)..) However it was obvious to me that the MSL deal, the YANDLE deal, the HAGS deal and the STAAL deal were all horrible deals for the team. I was 4 for 4. GORTHER went 0 for 4. When fans can see things more clearly then management there is a problem. All of the things being said about HAGS now (and more) were said by me and others here the day the deal went down (the same for the other deals). And on the HAGS deal the concept that TD mentioned about the Rangers seeing ETEM as a younger, bigger, more physical and more talented version of HAGS was rejected out to half court here the day the deal happened. If the Rangers really believed that then they are dumber then I thought they were. Why would any team want to move a younger player who is less expensive and has better skills and intangibles to get an older more expensive player in return. If you want the truth here it is......The Rangers own mismanagement backed themselves into a corner with respect to the Cap. They were going to have to pay HAGS more money to keep him. But they failed to see that he was more valuable to them as a Ranger being paid $4Mil per year then NASH, STEPAN, BRASSARD, etc. at the contract levels that they were at. They didn't have the ability to properly judge who on their roster is an impact player and who isn't. And they didn't have the intestinal fortitude to move a bigger name and retain HAGS. Were they afraid of the criticism they would get in the media? Or are they just incompetent? And here is icing on the cake. It isn't that HAGS was dealt. It was the return. Anyone and everyone can be dealt. It is the deal that matters. Basically what they said by their actions was..... "We have an important player that we can't resign because we are incompetent. And we can't get equal value for him because we are incompetent. So we are going to piss him away as an asset and hope it works out."

Vic


Thu May 19 2016 8:16 am EST

Very impressed on Kessel. No matter how many Pizza'a or calzones this guy digests. He keeps on rolling along like freight train. Do i see a Pizza Hut commercial in his future??

rangerlou


Thu May 19 2016 8:00 am EST

TD I think everyone knows why we dealt Hags, just annoyed that management let the cap get that bad. It's over..his traded did not rob us of a cup, nobody is saying that. Right now we're watching him help CROSBY (ptooey) to possibly win a cup. It's annoying. We know what happened, the Hard Cap is a joke... If they do win (dont even know if theyll get through this series) Ill be happy for Haggy - eventually.

WIOSA


Thu May 19 2016 7:58 am EST

Like it or Not, I'd rather see the NY Rangers playing a hybrid game of Torts influence to the defense, and a quick transition game ala AV on offense....... If AV can't or will not adapt, show him the door.........

mf


Thu May 19 2016 7:19 am EST

Guys, I'm simply trying to add perspective to all this howling and belly-aching over losing HAGELIN. The organization had a choice: They could either move Hagelin, sign him to a bridge deal and risk losing him for nothing or sign him to an expensive multi-year deal. Like it or not --and most of you don't --they traded him. Like it or not, they didn't see him as being worth $4 million. Like it or not, they saw an opportunity to improve their cap situation so players like MILLER and KREIDER could be signed further down the road. Like it or not, they saw a chance to get a young, talented player who seemed like he only needed a change of scenery and a power forward prospect they've lacked in the system for years. Simple as that. A lot of you act like we traded away Rick Middleton...like the franchise took a giant step backward by losing Hags. Sure, they felt his departure. But they also felt the departure of CALLAHAN, BOYLE and STRALMAN...and if you want to talk about losing guys for zilch and bad moves by a GM...there's your silver bullet. At the VERY least, we got two good prospects for Hagelin and a pick...but for shits and grins, let's imagine what happens in the other scenarios. 1. They sign him to a bridge deal(he was rumored to be ready to accept $2.7 million). Rangers make the playoffs and maybe...just maybe...advance to the second round. But clearly there was more wrong with this team than JUST Hagelin. So then we lose him for nothing or something like a fourth or fifth round pick, provided some team wants to trade for the rights to negotiate with him(which is very unlikely). 2. They sign a bridge deal and trade him at the deadline. Maybe they would have gotten more. But what if Hags was playing like he did in Anaheim? They would have gotten appreciably less. 3. They sign him to the $4 million four-year deal and deal someone like YANDLE. Maybe that was the better decision in hindsight, but who knows? Key to the whole puzzle is what do you think Hags is worth? Right now, it sounds like most of you think he's worth top-6 money and that's somewhere we disagree. In the right system on the right roster he's a great player. But as the Ducks proved, he can also be a dud. How would we be talking about Hagelin if he was here earning $4 million over four years and producing like he was in Anaheim, where he was on pace to score 8 goals and 23 points(and was -10). I would be willing to bet this place would be lit up with comments about how horrible a contract it was and how he's a third liner at best...a defensive player who isn't worth that kind of money...so yes. Perspective...now who won the deal? Who knows? I would have said up until this year that we lost the Rick NASH deal because we got saddled with his bloated contract and a player who can't find a high gear when the going gets tough...while the Jackets got two very good roster players...one of whom got them Brandon SAAD...and a very good prospect...but lo and behold, here comes BUCHNEVICH...and he could make that deal well worth it...so it'll take years to see where this Finnish kid lands and whether Gropp is a true prospect and if JENSEN can be successful in the NHL. Obviously, the Pens won because they're in the conference finals. But here's the thing: we didn't trade with the Pens...again...perspective.

tdchi


Thu May 19 2016 3:55 am EST

some others should join him......http://nypost.com/2016/05/18/howie-rose-wont-be-back-in-booth-next-year-for-islanders/

stevielegs


Wed May 18 2016 10:09 pm EST

The Pens just keep rolling very impressive and that second line is still sick..............NICK if Kessell was this player he would still be in Boston, or Toronto, why isn't he? For the reasons mentioned.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 9:51 pm EST

Rhet: Yep, probably...but not because of how Hagelin plays. Because of a flawed building style. Gleff Gother SUCKS!

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 9:40 pm EST

I will root for Hagelin.... as a hockey fan I can root for Kessel... but Crosby? NEVER!

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 9:39 pm EST

This is men against boys. Pitt is on track for 50 shots. Also good thing folks mock Kessel. Likes hot dogs, doesn't back check. Point a game in the POs.

Nick


Wed May 18 2016 9:37 pm EST

Rhett, so right you are. Yes we lost some defense with MSL and Haggy, but to go from a Defensive minded team to a total seive in a season is mind boggling.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 9:35 pm EST

WIOSA... Sure he would've helped but not enough. Even with Hags we still would've struggled getting the puck out of our own end. Our Defense is a small disaster.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 9:33 pm EST

Why does it have to be that jerk? I hate his face.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 9:26 pm EST

Rhet,,,and without Hagelins speed, ability to read the play and go to the net, that was a shot blocked by whatsisface (TB goalie). Everyone agrees we still woudlve been elminated by the Pens in the first round..I think with Haggy it wouldve been game 7. Addition to us, subraction to them. He just got an assist - AGAIN.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 9:18 pm EST

Gawd I hate Pitt, but I'm a big Hagelin fan. Really rooting for the guy. He's the type of player I would have been w/o the speed....ok, not quite. But the player I would have molded myself after, except I would have had a little more Avery in me. WTF is wrong wit our management group..how do you trade this guy? You have to be able to identify your "glue" guys as much as top flight talent. Yes, I get there is a salary cap but seriously?? You sign Dan fuc$&in Boyke and say you're in a squeeze so you rid yourself of Hagelin? 2 2nd round picks for Staal for that playoff performance? Gorton has a lot of work to do to fix this roster and redeem himself. The Buch signing is a good start but there's a long way to go. Hey Nash...have you seen #81 in Pitt? That's a playoff performer. Take a look you half brain dead puss

NCRanger


Wed May 18 2016 9:14 pm EST

RF4L... Keeping it in perspective... Hagelin is playing on the Pens, behind Crosby and Malkin... Playing with Kessel who made that scoring chance happen. If he were on the NYR's this season? He'd be sitting at home right now with the rest of the team watching the playoffs(and golfing).

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 9:11 pm EST

RF...sounds about right...Rosetta Stone on order as we type.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 9:06 pm EST

WIOSA: I interpret that comment as being 'whooooa...this is a young kid from Russia who can't speak the language, has no NA hockey experience, and can run away to the KHL if he doesn't make the top 6, yet expecting him to be the Rangers saviour because my boss and I (re Gorther) have created an air of desperation due a crappy feeder system that's resulted from trading away high picks like they are candy is unfair'.

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 8:57 pm EST

And so does Jenn Sathon...combined he and Gleff Gorther equate to something a tad above total suckdom. None of the 3 are to blame however. All 4, when pressed, claim they aren't kept up to date on day to day activities....

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 8:52 pm EST

oh for gods sake...

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 8:50 pm EST

LOLOLOL....the longer this PO goes, the stupider the Hagelin trade looks. LOLOLOL...Gleff Gorther SUCKS!!!!!!

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 8:13 pm EST

Huh uh

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 8:08 pm EST

Also in that article: WHAT IS PANTHERS LONG-TERM PLAN WITH GUDBRANSON? //// EXPECT ONLY MINOR CHANGES TO CAPITALS IN OFF-SEASON

mf


Wed May 18 2016 7:52 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-thomas-greiss-success-means-jaroslav-halak-could-hit-the-trade-market/

mf


Wed May 18 2016 7:50 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/red-wings-sheahan-surprises-cancer-patient-who-invited-him-to-prom/

mf


Wed May 18 2016 7:15 pm EST

Does anyone else read this as less than a vote of confidence? "He's gonna have a real good chance to try & be a real good player on the #NYR"-Gordie Clark on Pavel Buchnevich

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 6:55 pm EST

http://thehockeywriters.com/paul-gaustad-not-being-re-signed/

mf


Wed May 18 2016 6:52 pm EST

KOVACS: ""A speedy winger that likes to agitate opponents and then strike quickly. Possesses great stickhandling ability and creativity, and is potent on the power play and penalty kill, as he recognizes scoring chances and is quick to act. Loves to play a puck-possession game and can pick his spot like no other when ripping his shots. All-in-all, an all-around winger that players hate to play against due to his skill level and the effectiveness of his agitation. (Curtis Joe, EP 2015) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=85693#sthash.vZv9BenI.dpuf"" http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=85693

mf


Wed May 18 2016 6:04 pm EST

5/18/16 | 5:45PM: The Rangers may be interested in bringing 2015 third round pick Robin Kovacs to North America. (HD.se) Kovacs is under contract to play for AIK in Sweden next season but Anders Carlsson of AIK says that he has "ample opportunity" to sign with the Rangers. (HD.se) Kovacs will stay with AIK if he does not sign with the Rangers. (HD.se) The Rangers just signed Kovac's teammate Malte Stromwall to a contract. Kovacs, 19, had 21 goals and 13 assists for AIK last season...... Gordie Clark said that some of the things that Pavel Buchnevich will need to adjust to this season include getting stronger, playing on a smaller surface, learning a new language and living in a foreign country. (NYR) He said that even with those hurdles he is confident that "the extremely-talented and charismatic Buchnevich should be right in the mix battling for a roster spot on the Rangers during training camp." (NYR) Clark added that he has a real sense of excitement about Buchnevich coming over after following him and watching him grow the past few years. (NYR) Chris Drury said that everyone is aware that Buchnevich will need some time to transition and that the organization doesn't want to put a timetable on how long it could take. (NY Post) He adds that Buchnevich is committed and has the "talent and character to adapt and succeed in New York." (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 6:02 pm EST

Howie Rose has decided to step down as @NYIslanders' TV play-by-play man for @MSGNetworks after 21 years. #Isles

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 5:03 pm EST

RF Your response speaks volumes after all youre going on your instinct that Sather is running the show and after all your gut is fact.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 5:01 pm EST

RF you're going to deny your sather hate? Or are you claiming the info I get is now all of a sudden not on the up and up? What seems more likely your invented scenario that Sather is controlling Gorton, or that Gorton has been making the deals that look exactly the same now that he is GM in name now? Funny Sather admitted that Gorton headed deals but I guess he's lying too, you know what your X-files theory seems right now that I think about it, makes more sense that everyone else is lying and your fantasy is correct.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 4:03 pm EST

Uh huh...

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 3:39 pm EST

RF that's the difference between you and I, I'm not running on guessing, instinct, or a hunch. I'm running on info that I was told about certain deals and who headed them. As for control and what not, of course you want to say Sather is controlling and doing everything it goes in concert with your hate for Sather and your denial that things arent going to change all that much since the deals you are seeing were headed by Gorton. There is no GM in the league who would want a job if they couldn't do their job especially when getting offers from other teams, just pure fabrication to think otherwise................RHET Sophomore slump? Nice excuse I don't think Hags made Hayes better because here is the reality there was no sophomore slump look at the numbers, outside of that few week hot streak where he managed to add in about 10 more points than this year his output was the same. What was the difference in Hayes' game? His compete level, his work ethic and that is a direct reflection of not having hags. Production wise Hayes did the same no slump he just played very uninterested when it came to defensive hockey this season, where as last season he played two way hockey..................WIOSA well said couldn't agree more it's not coincidence.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 1:12 pm EST

Rhett,,actually I heard this argument on another site, re Haggy bringing out the best in a line..or rather helping bring out the best in a line. The argument was Malkin was making Haggy better, not the other way around. Yes Malkin and Kessel were not clicking and scoring but..that happens. Malkin was the key, yada, yada. It was all speculation of course, on my part, on the other poster it was a given. Well, lo and behold, Malkin goes down, not for one game, but for 15...in comes that firebrand Bonino (who you say? Me too) and theyre clicking again. Now the same poster is saying it's Kessel not Malkin who made Haggy better. Yeah, ok. Here's the thing. Kessel did not score with Malkin, he didnt scrore with Crosby and he does score with Haggy. Now, does that make Haggy a scorer? No. He is the player he always was. Speedy little nose to the grindstone winger. Never mails it in. Not spotty...always comes to play. Never will be a top line scorer, that's not his game. Easily overlooked, because he's not a scorer. I show you that Hayes, played a lot better last year, he was on a line with Hags. Hayes doesnt look like he lost a step, he looks like he's on qualudes. The way Kessel looked in Toronto the last season, the way he looked with Malkin. Zippy..there makes you move faster..opens the ice for you. Is he a hockey god? No. Not to many of us,,,,ask Kessel right about now. And again...this is all speculation. You could be right. Stamkos's is a scorer, Crosby is a scorer, Kessel, Malkin, Nash, theyre scorers. Hags opens the ice for them so they can. As Vic said, tenacious on the forecheck and a helluva skater a regular PIA to opposition.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 1:00 pm EST

In regard to Carl Hagelin.... I get missing him, I get hating the trade, but I just don't get this new theme that he makes other players better... there's no empirical evidence to support that argument whatsoever. He's had his best season as a pro because of the guy he's playing with. Yes, he did give Phil Kessel what he's needed since being in Pittsburgh and that's someone who can keep up with him and play with him. But who has made who better? Hagelin who's having a career year or Kessel, who's having a somewhat average year? Kevin Hayes also had a sophomore slump just like many other NHL players do. Hayes at times struggled in most facets of his game, but It's not because Hagelin wasn't there to make him better.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 12:53 pm EST

York: Who knows why Gorton did and didn't accept other offers. Who knows what job for life offered him. For sure, we don't know how much Sather remains involved. We can speculate until the cows come home but none of us are in the inner circle so that's all it is. My instinct tells me Sather remains involved - to what extent I dunno.

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 11:55 am EST

Per Elliotte Friedman ..... One GM had a good line about Vadim Shipachyov, who leads all scorers with 13 points in seven games after the preliminary round. Asked if he was having any luck signing him, the exec replied, “I’m trying like everyone else.” So it’s pretty intense.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 18 2016 10:58 am EST

WIOSA I don't read that stuff but since you pointed to it I went and read it, I don't really know what to walk away with in that interview other than what I thought when he was signed, and that is he's a project. He did well in the 8 games he played but I don't expect him to get a sniff at the NHL next season unless injuries give them zero choice.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 10:54 am EST

RF Sather talks all the time to certain people means nothing for one, two you'll see who has been running the show, so far Gorton was GM for the Talbot deal, signed Stool, and followed rank and traded away picks and a prospect for Staal and did it to save cap space just like the Yandle deal. Like I said you will see who has been doing the majority of the deals and like I said you must be naive if you think Gorton took a job here not to be in charge when he had offers from a number of other teams to be a GM why stay here if you aren't in charge makes zero sense because if he gets fired HE will be the one that has to answer for bad deals while looking for another job.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 10:06 am EST

DREW: LOL...sorry for the confusion. I've morphed the names into one because there is clearly disagreement and confusion over who was in charge going back as far as the MSL trade up to the present because no one knows who (dis)engaged Sather is in whatever flippin' role he has now. My gut tells me that man's ego is too enormous to let Gorton have 100 autonomy on player moves, especially if significant ones. I know what I saw in video clips from last year's draft - Sather talking with Chirelli and Sather talking with Murray - in both clips Gorton wasn't involved. I'm saying that risking York getting all pissy but whatever - Gleff Gorther is in charge and no wonder it's shaping up to be a fustercluck - 2 headed incompetent monster!!!

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 9:14 am EST

Vic well put. I think Yorkie said it best when he said, nobody, not even the Rangers realized how much Hags contriubted to the team until he was gone. I do believe he was a Cap hit, they said he was, have no reason to believe elsewise, but he was a loss......YORKIE, I read Blueshirts United as well as a few others...a couple of months ago they had three articles in a row on Boo Nieves, and how he should be ready soon. Recently another one...when he joined Hartford for a game, and now again, he's a lead article. They used to do this with Brady Skjei, and I would wonder. You know I dont follow minors so I was wonderng if this is something we should get excited about (BN) - the article doesnt indicate we should

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 9:06 am EST

RF - ahhhhh I finally got it when you referenced the first name. I kept thinking "who the f is Gorther or is RF's auto correct off?" I was too afraid to ask at the risk of getting flamed. Gleff Gorther. Jenn Sathon.

DREW


Wed May 18 2016 8:58 am EST

TD First you can't say Perron is gone you have no idea as I have no idea, but he certainly contributed to them playing well while he was there unlike Etem here. I also am not denying that the Ducks didn't come out the way they wanted in that deal, but the Rangers haven't won that deal it seems both turned out to be losers in this deal unless Perron stays and Jansen turns out to be an NHLer. If neither of those things happens then the deal is a lose/lose. Where the Rangers lost is they lost what Hags brings to the table, you seem to think it was nothing, but you're obviously wrong and as of right now the Rangers have nothing to show for trading Hags. As for talk that's exactly what it is just talk, who was talking about Hank? What is talk about being a sure fire NHLer? Daigle was talked about as a sure fire NHLer, Yakapov too, obviously talk about being a sure fire NHLer goes back to what's that word again? Oh yeah just talk. As for sucking in Anaheim he didn't fit, the team as a whole didn't work at that point. He went to Pitt and low and behold a coach who coached him prior knew exactly how to use him and use him properly. You say he doesn't have the talent to be in a top 6 position for a sustained amount of time, okay what is that time frame since he has been doing it for about 6 months now? As for being a bottom 6 player that's bullshit he's not a fourth line player not at all, he's a 4-6 player second third line player. As for agree or disagree and your supposed reality well the funny thing is your reality doesn't coincide with the reality of what is currently going on and how he's playing, maybe you should join everyone elses reality. Wait so now teams just throw away first round picks as a who cares thing? ROFLMAO yeah okay whatever you say there champ. You want to know who is better this is simple math son, who has played more NHL games since they both played pro at around the same time. Let me help you out since you seem to be rather clueless Hags has played on a winning team and been in the lineup on the regular since coming into the NHL how has Etem done? Not even remotely the same. As for Jensen no idea what he will be I see a bottom six player right about now at best this is not some guy who lights the lamp like it's free, he's a guy that averages out to be about a 15-20 goal minor league scorer which may or may not translate at the NHL and if it does 15 goals is hardly a top line guy. As for the douche I still have no idea what you're talking about, are you calling me a douche, someone else and if so who? Did I miss something? As for Stamkos and Nash comparison yes I agree that was way off IMO....>WIOSA I'm not exactly sure what you mean by pushing, Boo has played well in Hartford had a rough game that I remember but had a couple nice ones too, I think TD will remember the games better than I do, but I remember him getting benched after a good game which was a head scratcher The kid has good passing and is tall but skinny, he plays both center and wing. I'm not expecting him to make any kind of push for the NHL this season so I'm not sure what you mean by pushing he's a good prospect.

York18


Wed May 18 2016 8:51 am EST

TD: My issue with you in all of this HAGS talk is that you continually focus on what HAGS was considered to be when he was a junior level player and when he was drafted. You use that as some measurement of what a player is even 10 years into their career. All of that is meaningless and insignificant compared to what the player actually developed into as an adult....at the NHL level. HAGS may not have been thought of too highly as a kid. Who cares. Here is what he has developed into: He has developed into one of the top (i.e. ELITE) defensive players in the game. He has developed into a forechecking force with blazing speed, excellent judgement and strong instincts regarding the flow of the game. His anticipation shows that. He is a terrific penalty killer and is always a threat short handed. And he chips in on average about 15 to 17 even strength goals a year. All of those traits are a tremendous asset to any team. Yet you continually dismiss all of that and throw the demeaning label of 3rd liner on him. ERIC CHRISTENSEN was a 3rd liner as well. It is like you are saying that HAGS is like CHRISTENSEN in that there is nothing special about him and that there are 100 other guys out there that are more or less the same. Either you are doing this to defend the position you took when the trade went down or you are grossly mischaracterizing HAGS out of ignorance. I surely don't think it is the latter. Is HAGS, and everything he brings to the ice, worth $4Mil per year. Without a doubt. If I owned a team I would be thrilled to get a player that means so much to my team's success for $4Mil per year. But the Rangers management doesn't have savy for that. They would rather invest far more money into players who don't contribute anywhere near the level to justify their salaries (NASH, BRASSARD, STEPAN, GIRARDI, STAAL, BOYLE, and yes....HANK). And they are no doubt trying to figure out a way to overpay YANDLE as well. Good times..........good times.....

Vic


Wed May 18 2016 8:41 am EST

TD: IMO it's way too early to decide who won and lost that Hagelin trade. You are definitively stating that the Finn the Ducks selected is no more than a 3rd liner but Gropp is a star in the making. I mean, come on dude - that's beyond premature. The other thing that the Gorther defenders overlook is the return in general. AFAIC what the Rangers gave up should have fetched more than Etem and the right to select Gropp. That's where Gorther screwed up. Not for a second do I believe with some more legwork a better return would have been fetched. Hell, it should have been a first rounder, not the 41st and guess what? The Ducks had the 27th overall pick...weak trade by Gleff Gorther without a doubt.

RF4L


Wed May 18 2016 8:38 am EST

All this Hagelin love,... Trivia, I was at his his nhl debut. Rangers in Washington around Thanksgiving. First impressions: Small, long blonde hair, white skates & fast as hell, running all over the ice. lol.

hipcheck


Wed May 18 2016 8:19 am EST

Who is Boo Nieves and why do they keep pushing the guy? Im not reading anything special.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 8:17 am EST

The New York Rangers had a Cap problem, they still have a Cap problem. If they didnt, I suspect Hagelin would still be here, on the third line, and first unit PK. Hayes and Fast wouldve had a better year - because Hagelin does make other linemates better, and he probably would be making 3.5 instead of 4. We wouldve probably had been eliminated in the first round of this years playoffs...in the seventh game. As we wouldve had a better PK unit and a better Hayes, and the Pens wouldve been missing the H in their HBK line. As of right now, the highest scoring line of the EC playoffs btw. Dont know why it's so hard for people to appreciate a good role player, or that the Rangers have a Cap problem. SMH......Hospo, okay, gotcha thanks.

WIOSA


Wed May 18 2016 7:32 am EST

Stamkos in Nash...same type of player...Did I really read that?!? Genius!

tdchi


Wed May 18 2016 7:30 am EST

York - There's quite a bit of press out there about Hagelin and how he ended up in UMichigan was a little bit of a fluke...a lucky discovery, if you will. He might have been on some NHL radars in Sweden, but he was far from the envy of scouts. That's basically why he fell in the lap of Red Berenson. His father wanted him to play at Northern Michigan(where he went to school) and he came over more or less fishing for a college to play. Berenson remembered him and grabbed him. Certainly the Rangers saw something in him...enough to risk a late-round pick on him...but there was absolutely no one talking about the kid until his senior year in Michigan. There was no chorus about how he was going to be a sure-fire NHLer or any raving about his talent. Just that there's this guy in Michigan racking up goals with his speed. And even now, this idea that Hagelin is some uber player I have to laugh at a little bit...he went to Anaheim and sucked. You can say that was a result of the whole team sucking...but again...it's not like he changed as a player when he moved to Pittsburgh...and frankly, I can't really see how he's being used any differently or that he's with more talented players. He's in a different system, but pretty much the same Carl Hagelin that the Rangers traded back in June: Works hard every shift, goes on hot spurts...still has stone hands. I agree he's a smart player and knows where to be...which is why his one-dimension hasn't hindered him from eking out a very nice career in the NHL...But let's get down to brass tacks here: The guy is and always will be a bottom six player...I know he's played out of his mind in Pittsburgh, but that doesn't change the reality that he simply doesn't have the TALENT to be in a top-six role for a sustained period of time...agree or disagree, that's the reality...and that's why the Ducks and the Rangers traded him...Now here's the kicker: Guess where Etem is right now? Yup. Bottom six. Vancouver was bumping him around their third and fourth line...Now here's another way of looking at it: Who is the bigger disappointment following the draft, Etem or Hagelin? Think that's an easy one to answer because I don't think the Ducks thought they were risking anything taking him at 29th overall. Why? Because they saw size, speed and hands. Just so happens the guy has rocks for brains and...where I to make an uneducated assessment...he lacks even a 10th of the fire Hagelin shows every shift. The Rangers thought they could get him going and, I would argue, under different circumstances, they might have...but he came into a rudderless locker room with a coach who really didn't like playing young, unproven players. And Etem sure as shit didn't give him any reason to change that...whatever...water under the bridge. We have the better player now in Jenson and that's all that matters...as for everything else, I know exactly what to expect from you and it doesn't surprise me in the least when you lash out like you do...I don't expect it from others here, much less in a classless and unprovoked fashion. I try to give everyone here the benefit of the doubt, even if what they're saying strikes me as ridiculous or contrary to what I've seen with my own eyes...I did think this place strayed away from the ad hominem attacks and name-calling I just received from a douche I barely talk with here and who contributes little other than the same tired rumination we read everywhere oon the internet...but I was wrong...as usual, right? Looks like I lost the game of 'I can't admit I was wrong.' Ha.

tdchi


Wed May 18 2016 7:03 am EST

RF4L - Here's what the Ducks got for 43 games of Carl Hagelin: They moved down in the second round 18 spots, got the Rangers' sixth rounder and 28 games of Dave Perron, who they probably won't be able to resign. The guy they got --Nattinen --did play on the gold-winning Finnish team...but he was basically a third-line/bottom line player, which is probably his upside. Sorry, but they're the clear losers in this deal ATM.

tdchi


Wed May 18 2016 6:23 am EST

Okay, so theyre tied 1 all - both sets of teams. Guess that is the way it should be in the third round.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 10:16 pm EST

Well that sucked. Okay...moving right along.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 8:35 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2016/05/17/new-york-rangers-today-in-history-messier-richter-and-graves/

Rhet0ric


Tue May 17 2016 7:07 pm EST

Moof this guy might be posting here ...https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pFgFUudn9Vw

stevielegs


Tue May 17 2016 4:21 pm EST

HOSPO you see you talking about other posters and not liking things is ridiculing posters but don't sweat it I don't mind and yes I ripped into MF because the stupid trade crap just goes over board talk hockey sometimes for godsakes don't just come on with stupid trade proposal number 1000000000000000 maybe I was a bit harsh and went overboard but like you think me ripping someone gets old I think the fantasy trades every post gets old.

York18


Tue May 17 2016 3:55 pm EST

ask weknow, he still has the core.....he can core a apple....the honeymoon is over... then ask ralph cramden and ed norton .....moof will explain.....

stevielegs


Tue May 17 2016 3:55 pm EST

ask weknow, he still has the core.....he can core a apple....the honeymoon is over... then ask ralph cramden and ed norton .....moof will explain.....

stevielegs


Tue May 17 2016 3:51 pm EST

WIOSA - No, not you...Alot of intelligent stuff like always but just too much ridiculing of other posters...Some get off on it, but not my cup of tea...

Hospo


Tue May 17 2016 3:24 pm EST

Boyle, Callahan, Strallman, Haglin we gave away the team.

rangerlou


Tue May 17 2016 3:09 pm EST

BREAKING NEWS: Rangers player reportedly suspended 8 games for socking Toronto slugger...oh wait, that's baseball...I should have known better.

RF73


Tue May 17 2016 11:19 am EST

I really don't think expansion helps the league any at all, you want to add a team great move one from a struggling market. They should have moved the Devils, Buff struggles to even break even financially does Florida really need two teams?

York18


Tue May 17 2016 11:10 am EST

WIOSA I'm not sour on Malkin just weary I guess. If it's quick retool then he would fit perfectly if he can stay healthy. He can't be happy on the third line, but maybe winning makes the third line something that doesn't bother him who knows?..............ARC actually Stamkos and MSL complimented each other perfectly look when they played together they were tearing up the league both hitting 90 points MSL won the art ross while playing with Stamkos. Maybe it's coincidence but statically speaking Stamkos has had his two worst production seasons since his rookie year after MSL came to NY and MSL game went south maybe coincidence but I think Stamkos and MSL complimented each others games and had great success together.

York18


Tue May 17 2016 11:05 am EST

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14987657/nhl-gms-preview-potential-expansion-draft-rules

mf


Tue May 17 2016 10:51 am EST

I think Stammer was damaged goods by the deadline. Ever though he does have a history of injuries his age and his very consistant production will get him a max deal. But as far as chemistry goes (some of you guys correct me if I'm wrong here) he always seem to me in the same mold as Ovechkin/ Nasher type because he doesn't quite make guys around him better but does put up good to great numbers when healthy. I'd much rather us spend whatever assets we have to try and get someone who could possibly make Kreider/Jitters/ Hayes better. Not sure who that is exactly but as a lot of you seem to be I also like Jensen as a cheap option on a third line who may be open up some room for Hayes. But we definitely need another preferably a center to get one of other lines to contribute consistently (neither brassard nor Step seem to be able to do this. I think one is fine on this team but to me they are both different sides of the same coin

_Arc


Tue May 17 2016 10:37 am EST

Yorkie..agree on both. Didnt realize that Malkin was out THAT much, just noticed he was out twice this year...and not just a game or two. Something to think about obviously. On one hand he cant be happy with third line. Penns have to wonder about his declining health, although he's only 29. That would be a bargaining chip for an intersted team. Of course, you get damaged goods, in a way. Something to think about. Of course Im discussnig retooling for another run. Not a long term rebuild....As for Dylan and Keith, yes, yes, yes. They were dynamic together, dont understand what this coach is seeing, or not seeing. My untrained eyes cant pick it up.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 9:33 am EST

WIOSA Yandle played his best hockey with Wrath he played strong two way games when he played with McL but AV and his wisdom just killed it.

York18


Tue May 17 2016 9:32 am EST

RF Was Stamkos hurt at the deadline I don't remember? They should have traded him, unless they have some unwriten agreement that he's coming back and they just aren't saying anything. I do know MSL and Stamkos were tight and Stamkos wasn't happy with how the whole thing played out with MSL and him having to leave.....................WIOSA I agree what worries me is the guy has only played more than 70 games four times in his career and three of those times was when he first came in the league and was younger. He hasn't played 70 games since 2012 and the last two out of three seasons he missed 20 plus games. That's a lot of games to be missing your best player on a regular basis, his skill is up with the best of the best but that skill is worthless if you can't get him into the lineup. I like Gino just don't know if he is worth going for at this time in his career where he is getting older and injured more often.

York18


Tue May 17 2016 9:26 am EST

Ola, hear, hear. I agree on Yandle. He's another player who's contribution is mired in miscommunicaion, lack of chemistry. He's a volitle dman, with a lot of upside. We have NO CHEMISTRY on that ice, what could be take aways, and odd man rushes in our favor, started by Yandle, becomes turnovers, or takeaways and immediate giveaways. Trading Yandle is not going to fix that problem.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 8:42 am EST

york: Re Stamkos - yep and I'm sure Yzerman and company are asking themselves the same questions. Thing is, they missed the boat perhaps in that they should have traded him before the deadline.

RF4L


Tue May 17 2016 8:38 am EST

YORKIE, Im posting'talking off the top of my head about Malkin's injuries, I just know this season he was out twice....Of course I wouldnt want to trade Buch, he's the reason I looked at Malkin in the first place. As for cost, it would depend on how close to the Cap - they just picked up 62's 4 million, dont forget, they are. Yeah, I would want him...he's an all world Centre.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 8:30 am EST

WIOSA why would you want Malkin when as you said he spends a lot of time injured, what you would have to give up for him would be too much and leave the team empty once he was injured with no one to cover his position. Besides what could the Rangers have that the Pens would want other than McD, Buch, Skjei which is what it would take and are you willing to part with that kind of haul?

York18


Tue May 17 2016 8:27 am EST

RF, here is the question does Tampa need Stamkos? Do they win the cup without him, or do they make it and lose without him either way same results with and without him in which case do they really need to resign him? WIOSA I can't stand Letang but let's all be honest if he was Ranger he would be loved by everyone here for the way he plays the game, it's just a matter of he's wearing the wrong jersey........TD He didn't come into this league based on his work ethic otherwise do you have any idea how many kids who don't make it would make it? There are tons of kids who have incredible work ethic but don't have the other things and you seem to just disregard Hags talent which he has a very particular talent. He's not just a fast skater as you like to dismiss it. Fast can be north south, he's not his lateral movement is incredible, his ability to make a hit and reverse his momentum and turn and retract to attack another player is very rare. Again his mind is what makes him talented, he sees the game differently, he reads and reacts faster than most players in a defensive mind set. There are tons of guys who can skate fast, there are not tons of guys who can do what Hags does. The way he reads passing lanes, the way he knows where to be on the forecheck and the way he couples that with his skating is talent, you prefer to dismiss it as work ethic he has talent, you seem to be of the mindset that talent is reserved only for offensive things and that is just not the case. I think the Ducks got the worse of that deal only because they really have nothing to show for it after an early exit from the playoffs, yes they got the worse of the deal out of three teams if you want to add the Nucks, that doesn't make the Rangers the winner of the Hags deal because who knew that things would turn out as they did, with that mind set you could say the Pens won the deal because they got Hags. I also don't know who douchenozzle is I'm kind of lost in all that saying if I want to jump sides with him, I'm not sure who him is? If you were calling me douchenozzle then okay maybe I'm misreading this but you keep saying him.....................RF it was a bad deal because the impact felt by the Rangers in trading Hags was larger than anyone thought including the Rangers themselves.

York18


Tue May 17 2016 8:23 am EST

Thanks RF....DREW, we ALL wear those colors, or most of us old timers do anyroad......TD did you really have to mention that stupid tow-headed winger this morning? Really? grumble, #@$! grumble, @#$% grumble.....SO, Evets, what do you think about Malkin? The Pens HAVE to be choking on salary. Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang(barf), they have Evangi playing on the third line...He's 29, he's injured/ill just a tad too much for my taste, but then again, so is Ryan McCaptain. Think we could get someone like that? He's really a good player...he also speaks Russian. Just a thought.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 7:48 am EST

WIOSA/Hospo - I also contributed to the deterioration of this wall by my anti-Islander crying. My apologies.

DREW


Tue May 17 2016 7:39 am EST

TD: The Ducks got the Rangers 6th pick AND their 2nd pick....

RF4L


Tue May 17 2016 7:38 am EST

WIOSA: No issues here at all. And I'm certain Hospo wasn't referring to you.... ;^)

RF4L


Tue May 17 2016 7:18 am EST

moof do you have a gm trade generator?

stevielegs


Tue May 17 2016 7:12 am EST

York - I really don't know what you're arguing at this point. All I said was that Hagelin came into this league based on his work ethic. There are plenty of fast skaters out there who don't have what he has for heart. You disagree? Fine. And on Etem, the guy was/is hardly a zero. He's an NHL talent who was drafted in the first round and owned the WHL. Disagree? Fine...I don't have a problem with the trade and you're right: I never did. Etem didn't work out for the Rangers and the Canucks seemed perfectly happy to give up a decent prospect for him and actually play him in games, which is something AV never really cared to do...evets summed up the trade quite nicely and I'm sure you read that post so I won't rehash it. What I will point out is that the real loser in the deal was Anaheim, because all they got was a couple months of the enigmatic Perron, bumped down in the second round and the Rangers' sixth round pick. Think I'm wrong about the deal? Great. We disagree again and frankly, I don't give a toss. Just like I don't care about what you said in the past. See, I also don't keep a tally of the times I'm right and wrong because I really don't care. You want to jump side care to douchnozzle and be his bestest bud, go for it. Doesn't bother me one bit. As mf quite nicely put it, I could care less what either of you think of me.

tdchi


Tue May 17 2016 6:57 am EST

mf - I for one don't mind your 'trade proposals' even if some of them are pretty off the wall(no offense)..think it's fun to discuss in a vacuum as opposed to pounding chests or just being a general douche as some folks like to do around here.

tdchi


Tue May 17 2016 5:02 am EST

Resign Yandle!!

Ola


Tue May 17 2016 12:48 am EST

Sorry bout that Hospo/RF4L, wasnt ragging on you RF, was just bummed because I really, really, really dont want Crosby to win the cup. When the bolts started coming back I thought they would take it. Nice to be up 2-0.

WIOSA


Tue May 17 2016 12:36 am EST

Wow, this place has indeed become unbearable..oh well, different strokes for different folks! The off-season can wait...

Hospo


Mon May 16 2016 10:42 pm EST

RF4L, no, they havent, and so far, they arent playing better than the Bolts...but, hard to question the use of four lines and his rotations, when he won the game. Im just annoyed. Cant stand seeing Crosby get the freakin gwg AGAIN!. OANN, happy for Haggy and another assist. Wish he played for the Bolts though.

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 10:29 pm EST

WIOSA: They haven't won the series you know...

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 10:28 pm EST

RF4L, so what? They won...and how the hell does Kris Letang become a star of the game at all? If that guy wasnt a hockey player he'd be in jail. SMH. And of course it has to be Crosby who scores the gwg in OT.

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 9:59 pm EST

Ha...for the first time in a while, Pittsburgh is feeling the pressure and guess what? Sullivan's playing all 4 lines and not his stars a lot is already being questioned. LOLOLOL.

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 9:41 pm EST

Tampa is very impressive at times. So quick. So smart. Very skilled. And imagine, looking like this without Stamkos...

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 9:33 pm EST

LOLOL...

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 8:53 pm EST

Evets: Barrie was a -16 last season... Seemed like Barrie, Landeskog & Soderberg were giving up as many points as they scored last year.... I'd yield to Wildcard & Colorado Mark on scouting the AV's..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7306

mf


Mon May 16 2016 8:12 pm EST

Apparently the Avalanche are having a tough time getting Tyson Barrie to sign an extension. He's arbitration eligible this summer. If there is anyone out there that I'd like to see the Rangers pursue, I think it's this kid. 24 years old. A right handed shot. Had 13 goals and 49 points last year. I wonder what it would take for the Rangers to make a deal for him and Matt Duchene. Perhaps McDonagh and Brassard would get it done? Maybe Hayes may need to be included as well? They can try to get something for Nash and Girardi at the draft. Resign Yandle, Kreider, Miller, McIlrath and Stalberg. Make a strong push for Shipachyov. Then the Rangers can go into next season with: Kreider-Duchene-Fast; Miller-Stepan-Zuccarello; Buchnevich-Shipachyov-Jensen; Stalberg-Lindberg-Hivik; Staal-Barrie; Skjei-Klein; Yandle-McIlrath; Lundqvist-Raanta. Just my thoughts...

evets1980


Mon May 16 2016 7:41 pm EST

Y18: I don't want to say that you're wrong to you even if something doesn't go your way.... I'd make light of it like, uh huh, nice call there Yorkie.... Let's just move on......... FTR, I wish I could hear what its like when teams are trying to put trades together. Just as the game & the players have evolved, the management must too........... Look what I typed....1) trade the rights to Yandle & E.Staal 2) between offering Nash or Hayes or Brassard The NYR go get Shattenkirk (forget Ellis RF) The Blues have stated time and again that they want to do a "hockey trade" and hinted strongly about moving Shattenkirk...... 3) try to move Girardi, thats ditto for Nash & see if M.Staal will move, 4) with the leftovers, try and land a top guy, and if we have to add a young player like Miller or Lindberg, both more easily replaced than Eberle, we try to do so... If we have to eat a bad salary like Ference, big deal, turn around and trade him, there will be a taker, we just may have to lower our price. 5) Dolan has to wine and dine Stamkos about life in the big city, and the GM and coaching has to prove we're here to win The Cup and we want you (Stamkos)..... 6) 7) 8) there are some decent UFA's to fill in the last 2-3 forward slots, BROUWER a RHS looks great on paper, VRBATA may sign a 1 or 2 year discounted deal he had a rough year but last season he was great.... othe UFA's Eriksson, Perron, Hudler, wont break the bank..... Optimally every line should have a LHS & a RHS on the wings.... That is just guessing on my part but seems to make sense......

mf


Mon May 16 2016 7:31 pm EST

Hey guys what do you think??????? You think the Oilers will trade McDavid for the rights to Boyle Staal and Brassard? I think if we get McDavid to replace Brassard and have Stepan as our second line center he's growing on me you free up a lot of cap space. You can then send Glass and Nash for Shattenkirk. Then you can trade Hayes and Girardi to Dallas for Benn I think that would make the team a lot stronger. I also thought since the Pens have too many centers we could then trade Stepan and Fast to the pens for Crosby who will help down the middle and the PP. What do you guys think?????

York18


Mon May 16 2016 7:24 pm EST

MF I'll gladly say IM WRONG if you can show me TWO deals you have posted here pertaining to the Rangers in the last three years that have happened hell I'll give you four years because you haven't posted one.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 7:21 pm EST

MF yes because in your fantasy world everyone wants the players you want to get rid of for the players you want. What I find simply amazing is that you make a post throwing out dollar numbers like your fantasy is real. As for proving you wrong I can't prove you wrong because you don't even post in reality. The sad part is when you do you make stupid comments like Bure has a choppy stride which he doesn't. As for your wonderful stat that's great I'm sure it's more fantasy to go along with the rest of your BS posting. What makes your posts sad is you come here posting crap and then ask so do you think it can happen? I don't even think you're stupid enough to think half the crap you post here could happen because guess what? 99% of this shit you post and everyone has to weed around NEVER HAPPENS and why do you think that is? Let me throw you clue, a life line, a little help because you are in fantasy land when you post.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 6:54 pm EST

Add Stamkos at $11.5mill to that $24mill figure..... and after we land Shattenkirk, we can explore Yankle for starters to fill M.Staals place bringing the LHS to McD, Yandle, Skjei......... If I got to add Lindberg or JT Miller to get Eberle, I'd do that trade and ask for Yakupov too just so you cazn purchase his Jersey... ;-)

mf


Mon May 16 2016 6:50 pm EST

York, do you think I give a second thought about what you think of me? Because I don't... We have right around $55mill committed to salaries next season... Subtract Nash, Girardi, Brassard, Glass brings us down to $35.25 mill committed.. Krieder, Miller, Stalberg, Buch, Shattenkirk, McIlrath, costs you $24mill , bring the total of salary committed to $59.25 mill. This years Cap is at $71,400,000, so you have $12,150,000 of cap space without considering any cap increase.............. Let me tell you what stupid is, stupid is pouncing on the keyboard like a sniper, and rubbing everyone and anyones face in the mud because you want to prove them wrong, and expect that this doesn't cost YOU severely in all aspects of YOUR life.... To me, you win the prize...... Don't take my word for it, check the stats: go to the Wall page where we all post, click find, type the word wrong in their, and you will see that YOU have the word wrong in 4 times the amount of posts than anyone else.. But here's the thing, everyone else here who is typing the word wrong tends to talk about themselves, or a coach, gm, or player, Not you, most of the time you're just rubbing dirt in someones face..... FACT: it's costing you all over your life!

mf


Mon May 16 2016 6:44 pm EST

MF Eberle plus something for those two ROFLMAO if you are even half serious it would be hard to take anything you post remotely serious any more. 1) Why do they want to move a 25-30 goal 60 point winger? Oh and while we are on the subject where is he going to play and since you just pretended to trade away two Dmen who is now replacing those two Dmen since they will also lose Yandle and Boyle this summer. I'm sure that the Oilers would love to be the morons you think and take both Girardi and Staal for Eberle and your hero Jacmeov. Funny I thought the Oilers wanted to get better on D, stupid me of course they are going to jump at the chance of that trade,

York18


Mon May 16 2016 6:39 pm EST

EVETS outside of the fantasy of signing a Stamkos there really is nothing Gorton can do that will make an immediate impact on making this team better on the ice next year. He has too many heavy contracts with partial NTC and also NMC all with guys who are not playing well. It's very hard to move those contracts. These guys asked for these in their contract for a reason, they don't want to go anywhere. Outside of Nash, who I don't see bringing anything back worth a damn I don't think anyone is going to be moved. McD would bring back the most and probably weaken the team a ton if he was moved. There are far too many mistakes on how this team is built to fix in one offseason. This will take a few years to fix.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 6:35 pm EST

Another article about Edmonton and their lack of defense..... Would Girardi & M.Staal agree to trade and would the Oilers take the two for EBERLE + something???? http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-trading-core-player-could-help-oilers-land-top-pairing-defenseman/

mf


Mon May 16 2016 6:35 pm EST

MF It must be like candy land in your brain where everything is just sweet and perfect LOL Stamkos is not coming here and you're dreaming if you think this team is going to be 8-14 mil under the cap that alone is just stupid to think they would do such a thing and Eberle is not coming here for what you said, I honestly don't really know what goes on in that head of yours too much ea sports where you can trade whoever for whatever I would imagine.................................................................

York18


Mon May 16 2016 6:22 pm EST

Here’s a set of thoughts for this offseason: 1) Trade the rights to Yandle & E.Staal (for whatever)………… 2) Get on the phone with St.Louis and find out what it’s gonna, Take to land SHATTENKIRK (Hayes, Nash, or Brassard) .. Obviously, have Shattenkirk’s contract extension lined up & agreed to beforehand…….. 3) Get a list of teams that GIRARDI will accept a trade to and get draft picks for him……. 4) Of Nash, Hayes, or Brassard, whichever ones are leftover after we acquire Shattenkirk, We trade them for picks, “”OR”” use them with someone else on our roster (M.Staal if he'd accept a trade) to get a top talent like (RHS) EBERLE….. 5) Sign Stamkos!, it’s probably going to cost 7-8 years & $10.5-$11.5million per ……. 6) Trade Tanner Glass for a pick (we can always sign a TGlass type at the deadline) ……. 7) Resign Kreider, JT Miller, McIlrath, Stalberg, …….. At this point we will have 6 defensemen and 9 or 10 forwards signed and available Cap Space of approximately $8,500,000----$14,500,000, Depending on whether or not we were able to trade for top 6 talent……………… McDonagh/Staal/Skjei---Klein/Shattenkirk/McIlrath……. Stamkos/Stepan/Zucc/Kreider/JT Miller/Lindberg/Stalberg/Buchnevich/Fast…… ……… I’d entertain Dom Moore & or Hrivik as the 13th forward…….. Sign Free Agents to fill the remaining 2 or 3 roster spots….. (RHS-UFA’s) *BROUWER*, BACKES, PERRON, VRBATA, OKPOSO …..……. (LHS-UFA’s) *ERIKSSON*, LADD, HUDLER

mf


Mon May 16 2016 6:12 pm EST

Shipachyov: so what are we gonna call this guy? "Ships-Ahoy"? "Chips-Ahoy" ?

mf


Mon May 16 2016 6:04 pm EST

EVETS...ps, also insert Pavel Buchenwhatever right away. They say he's that good, play him. If we got Malkin that would take care of the language issue.

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 6:02 pm EST

Drew..sorry, thought it was you, couldnt get the picture (of Pavel in Skjei's face) to post anyroad...EVETS, the minimum to Retool? or Rebuild? I have a feeling they feel they can get more out of this roster, which means tinkering. I honestly dont think so. So, if we're retooling, in other words trying to 'go for it' again. Dump the dead weight, Boyle (done), E Staal (duplication of effort too many centres), Girardi (if he'll take a trade, guy breaks my heart, he bleeds ranger blue), Ryan McDonagh (takes care of two issues), Kreider - before his reputation as hit and miss is well known. Did we save any money? See what it will take to get Evangi Malkin from the Penguins. Insert Brady and Dylan into the line up. Put Oscar into the lineup. Shrug..just my thoughts.

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 5:59 pm EST

rf4l guess you'll be waiting or moving to the laffs...wait on..... or move on....if he requested a trade he'd be a traitor.....if he agrees to one he'll be a deserter.....the guy signed that deal to be a nyr for his lifetime career in hockey as a goalie....as far as I can tell....I have 4 years left on my bet with mfred.....i plan on winning.....

stevielegs


Mon May 16 2016 5:47 pm EST

Opps...forgot the link about Ellis...http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canada-beats-france-set-1st-place-showdown-finland/

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 5:46 pm EST

Hank wants a cup in NY? Dream on...

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 5:45 pm EST

RF4L... Shipachyov would certainly make an interesting addition this offseason. I actually have a question for everyone on the Wall: What would be the minimum amount of movement from Gorton with this roster, for you to deem this summer a successful one for the Rangers?

evets1980


Mon May 16 2016 5:41 pm EST

I hope Gorther is talking with Poile about this kid - he's what Boyle was supposed to be and wasn't. Still young and has a cap friendly contract. Preds still seeking offensive forwards - Stepan (or Brassard) should be of interest to them....

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 5:39 pm EST

FYI....story on Shipachyov.... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/potential-nhler-vadim-shipachyov-raising-eyebrows-worlds/

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 4:29 pm EST

let me know when hanky agrees to waive his no trade clause ? ..... dream on.....

stevielegs


Mon May 16 2016 3:24 pm EST

WIOSA - not me (Buch getting along).

DREW


Mon May 16 2016 2:13 pm EST

How's this for compete level? http://nypost.com/video/softball-player-scores-with-unbelievable-leap/

mf


Mon May 16 2016 2:11 pm EST

WIOSA yeah that pic is from 2014 I forgot what that was about but he wasn't yelling at Skjei per say as he was taunting the US team.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 2:08 pm EST

Newf: Amen brutha!

mf


Mon May 16 2016 2:06 pm EST

Yorkie, Im not sure...someone sent it to me on facebook...and Ive been trying to be able to post it,,,not working. He's was screaming in Bradys' face. Have no clue what happened. :)

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 2:03 pm EST

WIOSA I saw that pic LOL that was from a couple years ago wasn't it?

York18


Mon May 16 2016 2:01 pm EST

MF Bure did not take choppy steps not even remotely close his steps were so smooth he did something that very few skaters do in their initial strides which is what allowed him to accelerate at such a fast pace. You couldn't be more wrong about Bures skating stride being choppy my god it was one of the smoothest strides ever matter of fact the mechanics of his stride alone would make it virtually impossible for him to have a choppy stride.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 1:59 pm EST

Vic: Historically when moving a big asset you get more in the off-season vs the deadline because the former has more suitors in part because there's more time to handle the cap impacts.

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 1:55 pm EST

Evets....Brooklyn?

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 1:55 pm EST

Y18, the similarity is that Bure took small quick choppy steps while on the sprint, Hagelin incorporates small, quck, crossovers during his turns... The acceleration capabilities are similar, it leaves you in a stronger position for the following stride or step.....

mf


Mon May 16 2016 1:54 pm EST

Yorkie...no, sorry it just wont copy..tried saving the picture and posting it, it wont work. It's a picture of Pavel Buch in Brady Skjei's face screaming at him at the worlds.

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 1:48 pm EST

mf............you left out Brad Park and Jean Ratelle, oh yes indeed,they can trade ANYONE.......................(except ofcourse Rod Gilbert....he was GOD in NY) Francis would have been shot in the street over that one !

Newfie_Ranger


Mon May 16 2016 1:40 pm EST

wiosa is that some kind of line or something?

York18


Mon May 16 2016 1:36 pm EST

Ok...take 2,,,,, C:UsersUser88Picturesuchyellingskjei

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 1:27 pm EST

Drew, are you the guy who said Pavel is a tad hard to get along with ? C:UsersUser88Picturesuchyellingskjei

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 1:14 pm EST

I too agree that now is the time to attempt to move Lundqvist, However, I don't think Dallas is a viable destination now that I've looked over their roster situation for next season. Next season they have 9 forwards, 4 defensemen, and 2 goalies under contract for about $58 million. That being said, they are one year out of Jamie Benn becoming a UFA who will probably command at least $9 million per. I just don't see them being able to add Lundqvist at this point and I don't really know if there is another situation that Lundqvist would agree to go to.

evets1980


Mon May 16 2016 1:14 pm EST

MF Bure had a very unique skating stride while allowed him to accelerate at an alarming rate a stride that very few people use and has to be taught at a young age and takes a tremendous amount of ankle strength. Hags stride is nothing even remotely close to the same as bures

York18


Mon May 16 2016 1:06 pm EST

VIC yes, that was the most recent example that jumps out against us... Hags takes many small crossover steps throughout the turn which helps you push off and accelerate.. Somehow Pavel Bure on the straightaway comes to mind...

mf


Mon May 16 2016 1:02 pm EST

I don't see us trading Hank although I did pine for it while crying about his salary. Me thinks its just going to be a situation where we hold onto a diminishing asset as a result of overall "miss" management and it will work itself out... OAN, if the Rangers can trade Giacomin & Leetch, they can trade anyone...

mf


Mon May 16 2016 12:35 pm EST

LUNDQUVIST- Wallsters are posting about trading KING and maximizing return... Just unloading the contract is return enough IMHO... I hate to say it, but KING is the most over-rated NYR at this point of his career... His 0.867 save% in this years playoffs was very telling.... The past 2 years, his regular season stats have been near identical to his backups... 5 more years at $8.5 is crippling the NYR organization.... I know this is an unpopular sentiment... just look at the NHL playoffs FINAL FOUR... With possibly 1 exception, the goalies still playing are glorified backups... I would rather have the $8.5M/yr to rebuild the NYR lineup....

schneidw


Mon May 16 2016 12:23 pm EST

MF: Totally agree on HAGS. Last year during the playoffs I posted about one shift of his where the puck was thrown into the offensive left side behind the net. HAGS came in shot out of a cannon and check the defender who went to play the puck. The puck squirted behind the goal toward the defender on the other side. HAGS had bounced off the first hit without breaking stride and was on top of the second guy while he was playing the puck. It went weakly toward a winger and HAGS was on top of that guy before he could cleanly play the puck. It was unreal to watch. In a matter of a few seconds he had forechecked 3 guys causing all 3 to be unable to play the puck cleanly.

Vic


Mon May 16 2016 12:17 pm EST

YORK: I'm thinking more along the lines of a contending team with a goaltender injury. That is the time to trade HANK. And really, I can't see the Rangers trading HANK before the season starts. They still think they are close. But if halfway through the season things are falling apart then they may be much more willing to entertain the thought. HANK might be as well. And if the Rangers come out of gate and erase the memory of this last season with stellar play they can keep HANK and hope to contend for the Cup.

Vic


Mon May 16 2016 11:59 am EST

VIC I can't remember the last time a goalie was traded at the deadline to a team looking to get to the cup. I think it was the Blues and it fell out from under them I believe it might have been Miller but I'm not sure as I'm going on memory. The last time a team made a superstar goalie move that made the impact expected midseason was I believe Roy from the Habs to the Avs I just don't see any team serious about winning a cup not having the goalie they need before the deadline, so I think hank has to be moved in the offseason.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 11:58 am EST

Next: 32 teams works the numbers nice and easily: 4 conferences of 8 teams, we can even brainstorm to see if 8 small subdivisions of 4 teams help to stoke the rivalries, for the benefit of promoting the game....

mf


Mon May 16 2016 11:54 am EST

Curiosity about how a league expansion is going to affect the existing teams on a macro sense has piqued my interest......... We're not the only league looking at expansion, just read that MLB is looking at a return to Montreal (Expo's anyone?) and for sheets & giggles throwing out possible destinations.. Baseball can travel South easily, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico are places in this article.... Here are the logical landing spots for MLB's inevitable expansion ..... http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25564042/here-are-the-logical-landing-spots-for-commishs-inevitable-expansion

mf


Mon May 16 2016 11:22 am EST

One big aspect of Hagelin's play that I feel is worth mentioning is that when he is going North South on the forecheck and then the defenseman gets to the puck ahead of Hags and makes that first pass, Hagelin re-accelerates through his turns while chasing down the recipient of that first pass... (hope that made sense there) If that 1st pass by the Dman is not crisp and or far enough away, Hagelin is usually right on top of that guy, many times pinning the opponent in their own end of the ice...

mf


Mon May 16 2016 10:46 am EST

YORK: I too believe that it is time to move HANK but the Rangers need to maximize the return on him. I don't know that they can do that in June/July. It may be more possible at the deadline next year. That gives the Rangers a chance to see if they rebound from last year and are a legitimate contender again. If they are you keep HANK for the playoffs. If not you look to move him then. Yes, you are taking a risk that he may get hurt prior to then but I think it is risk worth taking. As for STAMKOS.....no to STAMKOS regardless of the decision on HANK.

Vic


Mon May 16 2016 10:35 am EST

Anyone who wants to trade Hank does not want Stamkos because there is no way he comes here without Hank in net. This team is so tight to the cap with players who make more than their actual contribution on the ice. McD is actually a bargain and it's one of the only reasons I don't think he should be moved. Nash is making way too much, one of Girardi or Staal has to go to relieve some cap pressure and with MCL and Skeij here that is very possible. The tandem of Brassard and Stepan is too much money spent on two number two centers. The worst part is even when or if you free up this cap space where does the money get spent? The reality is IF Stamkos leaves Tampa he's the only real chance at a legit number one center this team will ever get that isn't over the hill. They could try and draft one, but that's a future gamble and does nothing to help this team any time in the next couple years. If you trade Hank this team automatically becomes a team no one is going to be wanting to come to and that's just the honest truth what makes this team special the second you move him?

York18


Mon May 16 2016 9:18 am EST

TD how someone sees the game is a talent like I mentioned with Gretzky his was offense, Hags has a talent for seeing passing lanes and closing them before a player can get his pass off which is a damn good talent. He actually reads the passing lane that will be happening by where someone is skating into an open patch of ice before the player who is passing it sees it and closes that gap to beat the puck into that lane and get the pass. That is a talent.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 9:16 am EST

TD Seguin was not a superstar when he was traded, you love to skew facts to make your point no matter how wrong you are................NEWFIE I think Orr had more raw skill, he was bigger, stronger, a better skater, faster, TGO did not posses those things, what made TGO the best ever was his mind, the way he read the game, he read it like no one ever did. I think Mario was the closest of a meld between Orr and TGO though Mario didn't have Orrs speed, but he had the size and strength of Orr, and he saw the game like TGO not as good but close.......>WIOSA the more I look at this roster the more I agree the time to rebuild is now before it is too late. You wait too much longer and you get very close to putting this team back into the dark ages.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 9:11 am EST

TD Now you're going to lie? You're full of it, I never wanted Etem said it was a bad deal when it happened and that they would regret the trade. I said they wanted him before he was drafted which was true they had a flier out on him but I never said he was a good pick. You say he doesn't have talent well then you don't have a clue because his skating is a damn talent, to move the way he does at the speeds he does is a talent that few posses in this league. Of course you leave with Dipietro because it makes your point moot about where someone is drafted and the word talent because Hank was drafted where again? Like I said run along because you're wrong and you know it but that doesn't ever stop you though does it.

York18


Mon May 16 2016 8:57 am EST

oh,yes and I've met him as well and have a great picture of just me and him together. Asked me all kinds of questions and showed a genuine interest .

Newfie_Ranger


Mon May 16 2016 8:56 am EST

RF4L...tend to agree about Hank. I cant see how this team can make a run at anything. With the loss of Hags and MSL last season, and we knew we wete shy a top 6 forward BEFORE they left, we needed at least two of oyr youngsters to step up to the plate. Miller took some baby steps.. but Hayes, Fast and Kreider were AOL. Even with the addition of a Stamkos, we're not cup calibre. The time to start the rebuild is now. Our Cap situation is as dismal as it was before we did a cap dump on Haggy. Something has to give...

WIOSA


Mon May 16 2016 8:54 am EST

sjw............that,s a funny thing about ORR......I feel the same................he is my fav Hockey player and Athlete (Ali a close 2nd) of all time. What he did in his short ,injury plagued 7.5 tears is unbelievable. Simply the BEST ! I have a theory on the old TGO debate...........I think that Wayne is the "Greatest" for what he was able to accomplish in his good health but Bobby was the "BEST".

Newfie_Ranger


Mon May 16 2016 8:00 am EST

TD: We've discussed that for too long anyways. Bottom line is this (and what started the discussion I think): It's my opinion that the time to trade the King is now (with the caveat that he agrees) not next year or the year after. I also believe it won't happen.

RF4L


Mon May 16 2016 7:22 am EST

RF4L - To clarify, I was meaning more in the post-lockout era. I'm talking from 2005 on. I know you're of the philosophy the Rangers should have traded JAGR...but to add a caveat there, I'm pretty sure the cap deal they got on Jagr...where the Capitals were essentially paying half his salary...was non-transferable. And even if it WAS transferable, the guy had one foot out the door to the KHL. What were the Rangers going to get for him? I brought this up a couple days ago...teams that trade superstars seldom get the haul one would expect for them...two recent trades...take SPEZZA and SEGUIN...the Sens pretty much got kitchen scraps for Spez. And Seguin, a burgeoning superstar approaching his prime...well they got what now amounts to two years of Louie ERIKSSON and Jimmy HAYES...So is the point that Sather refused to nosedive the organization to have a chance at a first-overall pick? In that case, he kind of did...in 2004...and we ended up with Inigo Montoya and Marc Staal.

tdchi


Mon May 16 2016 7:14 am EST

_Arc - the only thing that is stalking you is your omnipresent ignorance. Douche on.

tdchi


Mon May 16 2016 7:13 am EST

Wow York. You had absolutely nothing bad to say about ETEM or that trade when the deal went down. Zilcho. In fact, you were the guy who up until recently was saying the Rangers were targeting Etem and that it was ridiculous to think the deal went down on a whim(as some here were characterizing it). But carry on with the selective memory. And what's the point here? I said some team(at least three now by my count) think Etem has talent. You think he doesn't. Moving on...I said HAGELIN has busted his ass to get where he is because he ddin't have raw talent...the guy has always had stone hands. His release isn't anything special. His shot isn't that hard. And if it weren't for his speed and tenacity, he'd struggle to make it in professional hockey. Put both of them in the same draft year and you'd have 30 teams out of 30 who would draft Etem over Hags. Two totally different players at two different periods in their career. One got to where he was on raw talent. The other busted his ass from the time he was was being passed over by junior programs to the present. Disagree? Well, then we're at an impasse and this whole conversation is ridiculous to begin with. And the minute you bring DiPietro in the conversation, I leave it. So carry on.

tdchi


Mon May 16 2016 7:03 am EST

Newfie - Despite my decades of Rangerfandom.. I have an autograph Bobby Orr poster of that very play you mentioned hanging up here... along with my posters of Leetch and Messier ..I actually went to the Orr/Walton sports camp in Orilla Ontario in '72 .. right after those Bruins had beaten us in the final .. have to say Mr Orr was a nice quiet unassuming person...even came on ice with us for a short scrimmage ...

sjw


Sun May 15 2016 9:16 pm EST

Newfie...Lol, my auto-correct insists you are...:)

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 8:08 pm EST

WIOSA.............I'm certainly not a newbie...............in any way shape or form..........hee,hee.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun May 15 2016 7:42 pm EST

Great game so far. Especially when the camera pans to DeBoer...😈

jratelle19


Sun May 15 2016 7:23 pm EST

That's Newfie

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 7:22 pm EST

Newbie...I'm pulling for the Blues now too. I was hoping the Caps would win, I like Ovechkin..but c'est las vie. Go Blues

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 7:17 pm EST

I want to state again that I'm cheering for the Blues to win the Cup. Like I said before, they are technically the only team from the first expansion in '67 to not win a Cup. That first year, they represented the West and lost to the power house Habs in 4 straight. It wasn't that easy however.....the scores were 3-2, 1-0, 4-3 and 3-2. The goalies were Glen Hall (who was brilliant) for Stl and Gump Worsley for Mtl.. Al Arbor was "C" on D and Noel Picard ( the guy who tripped Orr in that Pic ,later on in his career) Terry Crisp and Red Berensen played up front..................Go Blues Go !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun May 15 2016 6:22 pm EST

Ooohhh I got a little whittle wall stalker. How cute? Did Yorkie give u an award too? I'm so proud of you little guy!

_Arc


Sun May 15 2016 4:09 pm EST

YORKIE...interesting, but for a good portion of our season we were fine 5 on 5, but blew the games on special teams

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 1:33 pm EST

Wiosa my point was they all had great PPS yet never practiced them.

York18


Sun May 15 2016 1:15 pm EST

Wiosa it's funny but coaches who routinely never used to practice the PP Scotty bowman and Mike Keenan both saying if you can score at 5 on 5 you should be able to execute on the PP. Another team that never practiced the pp the 80s oilers

York18


Sun May 15 2016 1:02 pm EST

STEVIE....that is probably the truest assessment. Let's face it, by the time a player reaches NHL level, on the roster, he's good. Coaches? Hit or miss.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 12:58 pm EST

It's not and rarely is the players .... Good coaching matters... Bad coaching can't be overcome by good players .... They turn into bad players .. It's probably very close to impossible to win the Cup without a good coach....

stevielegs


Sun May 15 2016 12:55 pm EST

RF you can't be more wrong all around last first. Suivan is a head coach which means he has a coach running his PP where he had a weakness and also Torts dictated who was on the PP if you remember and they didn't agree doh! Bottoming out means nothing once again look at edm or the bjs or the isles for how many years and again saying they would have a shot at insert name here remember the Crosby draft? They should have been too 3 ended up 15th.

York18


Sun May 15 2016 12:38 pm EST

Mmm...maybe the wrong guy was/is the coach?

RF73


Sun May 15 2016 11:53 am EST

RF4L...not much there I can argue with. But its hard to imagine any other reason we remain in limbo, despite all the changed this organization has gone thru. I believe mgt is convinced we can't do a true rebuild, especially with all those corporate boxes.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 11:49 am EST

BTW, the criticism I'm seeing of Scott Arniel is precisely what I saw with Mike Sullivan when he was Tortorella's assistant coach in NY. Yet, somehow, Sullivan is a good coach in Pittsburgh. What happened? Mmm...maybe it's the players after all???

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 11:48 am EST

stevie: Meaning what? NYC fans are stupid? I don't believe it. Not for a second. I recall in 2004 when Sather finally started to do the right thing and the Rangers bottomed out, fans were behind it. They understood. Alas, Sather being the incompetent he is, he stumbled across lightening in a bottle (JJ and the first year after the lockout where the league decided to actually police the game as the rulebook dictates), failed to recognize that for what it was and abandoned it. Oh well, all is forgiven by some because of the last 3 years. So be it - to each his/her own.

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 11:44 am EST

rf4l the leaf laugh fans are embracing it? wow.. i'm so happy for them....nyr fans shouldn't have to embrace it and won't.....nyc is not Canada......Rhet there was a way if there were a will....but the genius on down didn't know what hagelin did for dummy hayes and the nyr , so they were one and done.....how much did that cost dolan ?.....I doubt he's very happy how much his brain rust cost him for not getting past 2 home playoff games.....

stevielegs


Sun May 15 2016 11:40 am EST

TD: JJ and his posse all should have been traded. I've said that for years and was saying it at the time. The return would have been plentiful. And bottoming out in one of those years would have meant the Rangers having a chance at drafting the likes of Pat Kane, Steven Stamkos or John Tavares. Before that, Sather sat on players like Leetch, Graves and Richter to the point where the return for them, especially the latter 2, were severely compromised. Now we are headed down that same road again - now is the time to trade the King (assuming he agrees, I know). Not next summer or the summer after that. I realize it won't happen but doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 11:35 am EST

the question ISN'T if...

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 11:34 am EST

WIOSA: That stupid thinking (cannot rebuild here) is what helped keep the Leafs down for the last 15 years. I've said it on here before and will say it again - trotting out that phrase (if uttered by management) is an insult to the fanbase. It implies the fans are too stupid to understand the benefits reaped by bottoming out. We heard it here in Toronto for years and years and years. Then lo and behold, Shanahan agrees to come to Toronto under the condition he can orchestrate a total rebuild. And guess what? First, it's working and second (and equally importantly), Leaf fans are embracing it, not screaming mutiny. Which is of zero surprise to me (and many others). Constant mediocrity may be preferred by some, but true fans get it. Now I'm not comparing the Rangers to the Leafs - the records of these teams the last few years are like night and day. However, a fall is coming in NY - it started this year and will continue next year - the question is if IMO, it's duration and depth of the fall. The organization is in a precarious position due to all the high draft picks that have been traded away. And that situation is only going to be worsened this year - no selections currently until number 70. Tweaking the roster, if that's all Gorther does, will do very little to address things and only extend the pain. Gorther has a HUGE task ahead of him, IMO, especially if he intends to retool only. It's possible, as I've said previously, but will require some guts and foresight, meaning some of the core must go if a real turnaround is to be experienced. We'll see...

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 11:32 am EST

Evets I'll never understand this he has the tools crap he doesn't have them of he had them he would be a player. It's like saying you have a hammer but no handle well guess what you dont have a hammer then. Mental makeup is more important than anything look at the best it's because they are strong mentally

York18


Sun May 15 2016 11:32 am EST

Evets...asset management? No. Absolutely a good deal Etem for Jensen + because Emersen wasn't cutting it here. However, that's not asset mgmt. The reason Haggy was dealt for an unimpressive winger in the first place, was poor cap/asset mgt. Hopefully we do better.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 11:23 am EST

York, WIOSA: I agree that Etem was not a good player for us and will probably never be a good player. But he had some good tools, but didn't have the mental makeup to put it all together. Still, Gorton was able to turn Etem into Jensen, and I think he deserves credit for that. In terms of asset management, it's an impressive move (at least at this point).

evets1980


Sun May 15 2016 11:14 am EST

Etem was a bad trade I don't believe in this first rounder needs a change if acenary crap. You don't hear that about 6 round picks. The hilarious part is rarely if ever is it just a need for a change of scenery. They are players who were misjudged he was drafted 29th and could have easily been a second round pick. This wasn't a top ten pick gea also a guy that really didn't do much in the wjcs that deal was a bad move .....wiosa yeah that was a dark time for this team well the start of it.

York18


Sun May 15 2016 11:04 am EST

Events...yes on Jensen, good scouting job and a decent trade. Thumbs down on Hags for Etem...bad deal for us. Unfortunate cal dump, most likely. YORKIE..you're right! That is when Checkets decided he was a hockey maven, and Dolan wanted to be a rock star. Then they dumped the results on Smith. Forgot about that. We had Muckler then too.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 10:55 am EST

York: I agree, but going after Etem at the time wasn't a bad move. A change of scenery for a former first rounder could have worked out. But instead, we've got to give Gorton some credit for turning Etem into Jensen and a pick.

evets1980


Sun May 15 2016 10:48 am EST

Wiosa Dolan owned the rangers when Smith said that. That was the year Dolan and xheckettes decided to go in that world tour signing players Smith refused to bring in.

York18


Sun May 15 2016 10:19 am EST

Evets that's more luck than anything there was no way gorton would know etem would fetch Jensen who may end up being bottom 6 more than top six

York18


Sun May 15 2016 10:16 am EST

Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger ...... Jensen (#NYR) pass tipped on net by Storm and Madsen buries the rebound. IIHFWorlds..... Jensen is having an outstanding tournament. Has been one of Denmark's very best players. 6 points in 6 games with 2 game-winning goals. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun May 15 2016 9:59 am EST

Drew...you know that. Now my fear is Hank will go to the Isles and they will win the cup. Oh the horror...

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 9:52 am EST

On potential Nash, Staal or Girardi deals, would the Rangers be able to entice a team with conditions on the trade (similar to Marty St. Louis...by making the finals we acquired a pick from TB, I think???). At this point, cap space and higher draft picks are what I would covet. Realistically, Lundqvist isn't going anywhere. I would move him but I think the team still thinks he is the face and his contract makes him unmovable. I am not unrealistic and think things are great, I am also not as down on the team and think that there is still a good core and with some smart moves and time, a contender can be built. I am not sure this team would ever punt a season in the summer. Meaning, I don't think they would write off 2016-17, but I am hoping they look at 2017-18, 2018-19 as well.....Lundqvist seems to be the player driving "the window", I am hoping Lundqvist's career fades into Shestyorkin/Halverson/Huska. While that occurs, we can retool the core. Now, you guys offer up much more valuable insight than I. I think we also should expect a move where Kreider, J.T. Miller, Stepan/Brassard moved. I just dont know what the plan is with this squad. This is the first off season where I am going into the fall with a shrug of the shoulders and expect mediocrity. Just as long as the Islanders aren't too successful (no cups), right WIOSA?

DREW


Sun May 15 2016 9:43 am EST

RF4L....I know. I remember Smith saying" how long am I supposed to pay for that cup?" Ranger fan s and the press tried to hang him in effergy, and that was about cutting Messier, well past his prime. This was before Sather, You know RF, the owners, management, building, coaches, players h ave all changed. The one constant is the fans. Could we be the m major culprit?

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 9:37 am EST

Some team called the NYR turned 90 years old today. Happy Birthday to the NYR and their fans! ,...TD....Jensen's got good hands and he knows what to do when he has the puck. Top six or bottom, he looks like a legit NHL player. ....STEVIE.... We already signed Hagelin to a 2-year bridge deal, why would he sign another? Also, we couldn't afford Hagelin at $3 mil per season either.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 15 2016 9:35 am EST

TD I don't care where a player is drafted it means squat see nails jackov first over all your sbide comment about being a hags fan is a joke at best etem sucks he's on his third team sucking he sucked before the trade YOU were the only person. Other than. Gorton who thought he was worth anything. I guess if we went with your thinking dipieteo is more talented than hank ROFLmao yup there ya go thanks for coming out and playing I can't admit I was wrong.

York18


Sun May 15 2016 9:35 am EST

I give up, auto-correct wins.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 9:33 am EST

Evetts..sorry for the double start, I tried to 're auto correct your login name and got two misselled starts

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 9:30 am EST

RF4L - so start with the 2005-2006 season and move from there: Who would have you moved and for what? What, in your estimation, are the five instances where Sather and now Gorton have held onto vets past their prime instead of dealing them?

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 9:27 am EST

evets - don't try to bring logic to an emotional pissing match ;) very good and accurate breakdown/assessment of the deal.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 9:27 am EST

Events...interesting scenario, but of course Events interesting scenario, and I have rebuttals, but on another site we beat this poor dead horse unmercifully, so I'm gonna pas on the merits of Hags and discuss Ranger mismanagement.....TD, we got Yandle for the PP, and he got put on the second and third unit PP....We got Eric to get our second line scoring, to get the onus off Nash, so we put him as a third line winger..We draft Dylann in the first round for toughness on the blue line, so we bench him. And you think evidence of communication is we didn't bench all three? Yeah, I'm not buying that one. I'm not sold AV is the problem, so yes, what appears to me as a communication breakdown, starts with the GM. As always..MHO

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 9:20 am EST

WIOSA: Hanging on to expensive aging assets when they still have value is bad management and something Gleff Gorther has been guilty of for 15+ years.

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 9:18 am EST

stevie: Of course the King won't be traded. Gorther has zero foresight. Doesn't mean they shouldn't, of course.

RF4L


Sun May 15 2016 9:10 am EST

rf4l lb has a resonse to you ..."...How about the Stars, finishing with the second-best record in the NHL, having to play the Blues, who had the third-best record in the league, in the second round out West, thus losing the opportunity to get some time to regain Tyler Seguin for a hypothetical conference finals? Jim Nill has done an outstanding job in Dallas, but do you think the general manager might want a do-over for getting out of the Cam Talbot sweepstakes when it was time to step up last June? The Stars dipped their toes in the water but never took the plunge, and ultimately drowned in a sea of soft goals without a legitimate No. 1 in nets. No. Henrik Lundqvist is not being traded to Dallas. So stop."

stevielegs


Sun May 15 2016 9:06 am EST

WIOSA - here's another way to look at it: AV is a coach who built a cup run on rolling four lines. The guy figured if he had McDonagh and Yandle as a one-two punch, he'd have an unbeatable force. And perhaps if he had a real goal scorer in the PP, he would have been right. Instead, he had the enigmatic Nash. But I digress. Yandle was brought in to do what BOYLE couldn't. I would be floored if it came out that Sather and Gorton did that move without AVs blessing. Take that as an indictment of all three if you like, but that's not a move a team does without a coach's consent. The STAAL deal too. I'm of the opinion AV and Gorton hoped the guy would turn it and provide the vet leadership they needed. Now I don't think AV used Staal properly. But he didn't bench the guy...and in the end, Staal didn't exactly do anything to show he earned top six minutes...and I'll close by saying this: if you honestly believe Gorton and/or AV are bad at their respective jobs, why give one of them an excuse? Saying they don't communicate is making one look worse than the other and I think they share equally in the awful YANDLE and STAAL deals.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 8:49 am EST

So the Hagelin trade ultimately breaks down as follows: OUT: Hagelin, 59th overall in 2015 (Center, Julius Nattinen), and 179th overall in 2015 (Goalie, Garrett Metcalf). IN: 41st overall in 2015 (Winger, Ryan Gropp), Nicklas Jensen, and a 6th round pick in 2017. THOUGHTS: Jensen looks like he'll be a player for the Rangers. He's got good size and speed, good hands and offensive instincts. Gropp looks like he's going to be in the NHL at some point. Nattinen projects to be a good bottom six center. So as I see it, it seems like we moved Haglin--a tenacious bottom six winger who we couldn't afford to keep--along with a potential bottom six center and we come out of that with a wild card player in Nicklas Jensen who could be a top six winger in the NHL or a top line player in the AHL and a potential top six power forward in Ryan Gropp. Could we have done better than that for Hagelin? I'm not sure, but I do think, as fans of Hagelin, that we probably overestimated his value, especially with his salary demands.

evets1980


Sun May 15 2016 8:42 am EST

It sure looks that way. They - GM, Owners, coaches etc- dont name names, but the inference is there. How long till the proverbial finger pointing permeates the locker room? I see a bad moon rising...

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 8:34 am EST

WIOSA and then they blame the players.....reshuffling the chairs on fishboy's titantic voyage letting weknow navigate into the iceberg.....then turning around to try and miss it again....need new players ......

stevielegs


Sun May 15 2016 8:21 am EST

STEVIE....can't disagree. We basically traded him for Jensen. Shrug, shite happens, and I was always a Haggy fan. The real issue is the mismanagement, which seems to continue. Is Gorton following in Sather's footsteps and dealing blind? Or is he holding strategy meetings with AV? Hey bad deals happen, cap crunches hit every team...now and then...but not as a rule. The acquisition and subsequent utilization of Eric has me fearing for the worse...continuation of bad management.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 8:02 am EST

The old new debate...keep hagelin and lose him for nothing on a bridge deal, or get a pick and a player which turned into another player......mess up the present, gamble on the future.....but with hagelin on a bridge deal might have gotten the nyr deeper into the playoffs.....history ....me vote is usually for the present over the future.....if they kept hagelin they might be looking to resign him now, and move others instead...intangibles and imagination......

stevielegs


Sun May 15 2016 7:47 am EST

NO not know

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 7:46 am EST

"a guy like that is supposed to bring you to the top..." assuming you're referring to the PP, not the Presidents, it would certainly have helped if coach had put him on t h e first PP unit. He didn't. Brings us back to what RF4L, VIC, and myself are beginning to believe- little to know communication between t h e bench and the GM.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 7:14 am EST

"we had to give up so much mostly because he had another year left and they ended up eating half the salary. I think the original thought was to use him for year and flip him for a haul last trade deadline" <----GENIUS!!! AND SOOOO SIMPLE!!! Watch out, Gorton: This future former GM of the year is gunning for your job...

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 7:05 am EST

WIOSA - YANDLE is exciting. But he's basically like having a second center out there. I don't know what the bigger problem with him was: that he was very badly miscast as a third-pairing D and specialist or that he was always on the ice with a bunch of forwards who refused to shoot the puck. You have Brass, Step, and Zucc --all puck possession guys who pass first even when there is no pass. Then you have YANDLE, who sometimes looks like he'd rather turnover the puck then pass it. Get three of those guys on the ice together as they often were and you can see why the power play, which Yandle was supposed to fix, only improved marginally to be in the middle of the pack in the NHL. A guy like that is acquired to take you from where you are to the top...he was supposed to do for us what LETANG does for the Pens offense. So good bad or ugly the reason, Yandle's time in NY has been a failure. And about the only way he gets signed is if McDONAGH or STAAL is moved. Don't believe the latter will happen so there's your choice.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 6:53 am EST

WIOSA - and a third group who saw a third line player wanting to make top-6 money who was going to leave the organization one way or another, so management traded him for two guys with potential. Actually, the irony of the Hags deal is that Gorton did what a lot of folks around here have been calling for: he traded a guy he was going to lose for a young talented player and a chance to drafts top-end talent. In other words, a trade with the future in mind. Yes, Hags is a very good player. I agree he's the type teams like to have. And we've seen how important he can be in the playoffs. That doesn't change the fact he has stone hands and unless he's in the right situation, he's almost ineffective. Despite all the Monday morning quarterbacking from clowns like Arc, folks seem to forget the very ignoble time he had in Anahiem...enough so that they were willing to lose him for an enigmatic winger who is now a UFA...so say what you will about Gorton, but the Ducks are the ones who lost St. Hags for what appears to amount to nothing. Noe imagine if that happened here. What would we be saying about Gorton if all we had for Hags was Perron and his demand for a $5 million contract? My point is that if you want to bash Gorton, bash him for the deals he screwed up on. And I can think of three clear ones off the top of my head. The Hags and Talbot deals didn't 'wow' anyone because they didn't bring in an impact player. But both brought in desperately needed picks and talent. Etem didn't work out, but now we have Jensen, plus GROPP and the three prospects that came with Talbot. Hard to get upset with that unless your if the false belief we could have gotten a top-end player or first rounder for those two.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 6:53 am EST

TD..My rumor sources say Shipachev is actually being pursued by the Habs as well. So it might not be that easy a signing.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 6:51 am EST

Drew....I truly believe Yandle was brought in primarily, but not only, to improve the PP. I believe he's improved it...I also believe he's a high-risk, exciting two way Dman. I think, if we can afford him, he's a keeper.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 6:30 am EST

Shipachev put up some pretty serious numbers in the KHL and would be an easy signing...but what happens if/when the player you brought in to be a mentor to Buchnevich turns out to be another guy from the Russian league who can't hack it? Radulov is hardly the guy I'd pick for a 'mentor'...but the guy can play the NHL game. He's who you target if for comfort's sake, the kid needs a native Russian speaker. Of course, my preference would be to bring back Valentenko to fill that capacity. Then again, the last Russian we had in this lineup was Anisimov and I can't say I can recall one even skating in Hartford over the past three seasons...which says a little bit about how eager this team is to get more Russian so to speak.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 6:23 am EST

What round was Hugh Jessiman drafted in again? Henrik Lundqvist? I don't think Hags has a huge fan club. I think the NY Rangers do. Dealing a tenacious third line 15-20 goal winger did not "do in" the Rangers, what it was indicative of was more mismanagement by the NY Rangers. We are using players like this as proverbial poker chips, thereby devaluing what a "team first " journeyman like Hagelin brings to a team. I find basically 2 types of fans that continue to praise the Hagelin/Etem deal. 1. Fans who only look for scoring - and shrug their shoulders at the loss of an' obvious non-productive winger'. 2. Ones that decry any hint of MSG Cap mismanagement, and claim it was the player's fault. He was crap and therefore, remains crap, and anyone who can't see it is a moron. Reality is, msg is again, mismanaging their assets...and Hagelin is a good little Hockey player - JMHO.

WIOSA


Sun May 15 2016 6:09 am EST

rhet - two goals a player does not make, but IMO JENSEN is a legit prospect. Not sure what happened with him in Vancouver. Seemed like just a bad situation...got rushed into the league, struggled, became a ping pong ball floating between Utica and Vancouver...but the kid has the goods. Very talented player and one who seems to have the skill set AV likes.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 6:01 am EST

It's pretty silly to think that a GM, assistant GM and coach are operating in a vacuum. While AV might not be getting exactly the player he wants/wanted in these deals, you better believe he was part of the conversation. I mean, why would a GM arbitrarily acquire someone the coach has no wont or intention of having on the team? This group(Sather, Gorton and AV) has been together for going on three years now and if there was ANY animus between them, one would be gone. And yet the only indication we've gotten is that Gorton and AV are safe this offseason and free to retool as they see fit. I think that says it all.

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 5:53 am EST

York - I don't want to get back into a tit for tat about the HAGELIN deal, but the there's no denying one of those players was drafted in the first round and was thought to be a very good prospect and the other was drafted late in the sixth round and had to fight for every inch of credit he got as a player. Call it that what you will...and since we're on the subject, I still think Gorton will be vindicated in making that deal. So funny how many folks here waited until Hags was dealt to become his greatest fans. But I guess that's how this place roll...

tdchi


Sun May 15 2016 5:48 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/05/14/yes-its-ok-to-blame-alex-ovechkin/

stevielegs


Sun May 15 2016 5:43 am EST

_Arc - there's nothing wrong with having an opinion. Mine are at least educated, which is less than I can say for yours. No biggie. You can take the normal superfan route and bitch up a storm about what you can't comprehend or don't understand. And I realize now there's a lot of that. Never really responded to you because you never really say anything worth responding to. So if you want your zen piss-free, I suggest you get out of the toilet where you're brain resides and post something of value, not your weird, pseudo-sexual infantuation with Gorton because he traded your man-crush. PS: does your wife know about that?

tdchi


Sat May 14 2016 8:56 pm EST

Rhet to say AV didn't want him is silly you want a comparison? Av didn't want staal IMO look how he was used and where he played him on contrast loom at msl and AV didn't always run his locker room that way he rubbed a number of guys the wrong way being more in face in Vancouver. Msl was put on a top line other players were shifted to accommodate him he instantly was AVs locker room and on ice at practice pit bull ........on AVs staff I think he made that statement because he wasn't sure if they may want to leave for other teams. Guys like allaire and dineen were in no danger they were both here before AV and unless they choose other wise will be here after he has zero control over them. The other three was just if they wanted to leave arniel hjnyed about looking for a head job position last year but after this fiasco I don't think anyone was looking g to promote these guys.

York18


Sat May 14 2016 8:36 pm EST

How Arniel doesn't at least lose his job is beyond me.... Larry Brooks writes that while there has been no formal announcement, "it does appear" that Alain Vigneault's coaching staff will remain intact from this past season. (NY Post) Vigneault said on breakup day that he could not say at that point if all of the coaches would return. The Rangers coaching staff features associate coach Scott Arniel, assistant coaches Ulf Samuelsson and Darryl Williams, goalie coach Benoit Allaire and video coach Jerry Dineen. The Rangers coaching staff, with the exception of Williams who replaced Daniel Lacroix, has remained the same since Vigneault joined the Rangers in the summer of 2013.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 8:34 pm EST

_ARC.... It's 1st and 2nd year players on ELC's. Skjei should be okay, but MCI is already past that. In regard to Girardi, we can only hope we are so lucky ....YORK... That's conjecture. We don't know that it was AV that went to Sather and said "get me St. Louis!" None of the beat writers reported it that way. I'm sure AV signed off on him, but he seems very much like a Sather get. Also, AV has always run his locker room that way, it's one of my biggest issues with him(even before he got here).

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 7:30 pm EST

YORK: Agreed on MSL. And AV stuck with him in the top 6 and on the PP way longer then he should have. AV didn't want to believe MSL was done.....but clearly he was.

Vic


Sat May 14 2016 5:50 pm EST

Rhet- it also depends big time on what constitutes a first or second yr player since Wrath might or might not need protecting in that case. I can't imagine anyone would want Girardi so he may be a compliance buyout but can't see Staal going the same rout.

_Arc


Sat May 14 2016 5:22 pm EST

Rhet MSL was a guy AV wanted and liked he ran AVs locker room for him and was his pitbull so AV could stay hands off

York18


Sat May 14 2016 5:09 pm EST

MF... Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. The NHL is most likely going to have an expansion draft next June. Teams can protect (a) seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender or (b) eight skaters at any position and one goaltender. First-and second-year players on entry-level contracts would be exempt from the expansion draft. It remains to be seen if no-movement clauses would give veterans automatic amnesty. Every team would have to expose at least 25 percent of its salary cap, while the expansion squad(s) would have to reach a salary floor. What this means for us is that Nash may be more valuable to us if we kept him and then leave him unprotected. We could get to our 25 percent much more easily and it could prevent us from having to leave someone more important to our future unprotected. IMO, It's pretty doubtful that NMC's will be auto protected. Bettman seems to be taking out revenge on teams that gave out too many of these clauses and he's not going to reward them now.That means we will most likely have to use protect spots on guys with NMC's. This would then mean that we'd be protecting MCD, Staal and Girardi on defense and we'd have to leave Klein and MCI exposed in the draft. Both players would certainly be taken in the draft. Unless we are allowed a compliance buyout before the expansion draft(fingers crossed), trading Girardi and Staal should be our top priority. Anyway, we'll know more of the details in June when expansion is announced.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 2:07 pm EST

_Arc I couldn't help but notice you accidentally transposed Trump's initials in your last post ;) lol

LeoS


Sat May 14 2016 12:08 pm EST

VIC: spot on with and about John Moore... The kid could skate and hit... Seemed to have a screw or two loose upstairs and needed some unconventional attention to get through to him, but that's okay, we all learn differently....... OAN: I was all fired up for adding Yandle once he got here, but now with the opportunity to watch SKJEI skate, I'm drawn toward the acquisition of RHS SHATTENKIRK as I've posted ad nauseam......... If we target Shattenkirk, Girardi has to go, if we target Yandle, one of McDonagh or Staal have to go, and I don't want to trade McDonagh. IMO, he's being used improperly which has hurt his game since Torts was shown the door... Yes, SKJEI or Staal or McDonagh could play the Right Side, but I don't see that happening at this point in time.... Shat Vs Yankle: Shat is younger, RHS, probably costs less to sign........ OR, we can play the greedy little pig, and try to move Staal & Girardi & try to sign both Yandle & Shattenkirk.... Naturally, NASH MUST be gone......

mf


Sat May 14 2016 12:04 pm EST

Glass?

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 12:01 pm EST

Name a player this coach requested...

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 11:56 am EST

Whether the coach wanted Yandle & or Staal or not, is it not the coaches job to slot these experienced Vets in positions that best help the team? .... Where's the petition to sign to fire this coach? That Callahan hit is a big missing from our line-up....

mf


Sat May 14 2016 11:43 am EST

Name one D-man or Forward that either GM traded for that AV really wanted? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Sather had been trying to pry Yandle out of Phoenix for years before we got him. You can't convince me that he really wanted Eric Staal either.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 11:21 am EST

Vic evidence ? Who needs stinking evidence ? ...I guess it's more of a feeling I have that veenyo whines about a type of d man or forward he needs and the gm goes out to find the big name he thinks will stop that whining. .. No matter what roster he has it's always the players not executing his perfect system and game plan , and not being prepared to compete....while his line generator never finds chemistry ....and if it does he changes it because they had a bad game or games.... It's the art of deception.... How long did Nash and staal stay on the same line,two games? .... All a result of his mental masturbations .... To further his bs excuses so he can blame players ... Someday the nyr will figure that out... He's his own worst enemy ...he's cup challenged ... Always a work in so called progress ... Fooling players with his nice guy leave them alone in the room mo ....some will be revealed by the beat writers when the nyr give them the green light or the script....after he's gone ....sos....

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 11:06 am EST

Anyone see this hit on Letang by Callahan? OMG, nasty and dirty and deserves a suspension (which of course won't happen because this is Gary Buttphuck's NHL): http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-no-hearing-ryan-callahan-hit-kris-letang/ Thing is, Letang has been doing this shit all POs - what goes around comes around ya prickjob.

RF4L


Sat May 14 2016 10:50 am EST

Vic/WOISA: I speculated about that too with the handling of McI. AV won't play him yet Gorther won't trade him. Baffling and reeks of a disconnect between coach and GM.

RF4L


Sat May 14 2016 10:50 am EST

Per Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger ..... I'm not necessarily of the mindset that Buchnevich needs another Russian around to adapt though I'd be delighted to see NYR sign (Vadim) Shipachyov.... Shipachyov is heading to NHL this summer. Like Buchnevich he is from Cherepovets, played for Severstal and then SKA. (NYR) Could use C help too..... New York Rangers and SKA’s Vadim Shipachyov..... https://bluelinestation.com/2016/04/29/new-york-rangers-skas-vadim-shipachyov/

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 10:29 am EST

Vic, I too voiced concern about the communication level between the coaches and the GM. Something's just weird.

WIOSA


Sat May 14 2016 9:33 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie .... And this: Rangers, likely to add Russian to ease Buch's transition, conducting due diligence on Radulov, but.... .http://nypost.com/2016/05/13/rangers-sign-russian-prospect-wholl-be-needed-immediately/

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 8:52 am EST

STEVIE: Do you have evidence of that? I'm serious. Because in the case of both YANDLE and STAAL it looked like AV didn't have much use for either. YANDLE came is as the 6th D and STAAL a 3rd liner. If AV really had wanted those guys don't you think he would have given them larger roles? Don't you think he would have stubbornly kept them in Top 6 or Top pair spots even if it wasn't working? But in reality YANDLE was never seen as anything more then a bottom pair defender here even last year. And STAAL had no more then a handful of periods in a Top 6 spot before being relegated to the 3rd line.

Vic


Sat May 14 2016 8:26 am EST

Vic these deals are made because weknow convinces them this is what he needs...what he really needs is a seeing eye dog, and a 1 way ticket home....his player blame excuses are his cya stories to the brain rust.....and they believe him or appease him.... and guess who pays......it's their corporate culture....

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 8:15 am EST

STEVIE: It is Ranger management that is pushing me away from the team. I can't handle the absolute stupidity of these trades. And the more we talk about them the more it pisses me off. GORTON is going to have to have a HOF Summer to pull me back in. Otherwise my interest level and desire to invest so much time and energy with this organization is at the breaking point.

Vic


Sat May 14 2016 8:11 am EST

Nicklas Jensen had two goals for Denmark in the World Championships yesterday http://ift.tt/1TgdgMg

Rhet0ric


Sat May 14 2016 8:11 am EST

DREW: The YANDLE deal was completely unnecessary and a lot of us said so at the time. It was a horrible trade no matter how you slice it. The Rangers were already the best team in the league and their defense was a big part of that. But they went out and spent a ton on a player that they didn't need. A player that was no better then a 3rd pair guy on a stacked team. And the reality is (to anyone that wants to be honest about that year) is that he didn't even outplay JOHN MOORE for the remainder of that season and the playoffs. A lot of people also forget how well MOORE played the season before in the playoffs. There was at least 20 reasons why that deal was stupid.

Vic


Sat May 14 2016 8:10 am EST

York you are such a nob sometimes...lol...

RF4L


Sat May 14 2016 7:53 am EST

"It is not a mistake the Rangers’ management or coaching staff is likely to make concerning this highly skilled winger who will need time to adapt to the NHL, but who should add to the team’s talent level up front. “We’re all aware that Pavel is going to need some time to make the transition, but I think the world of him as a player and a person,” Chris Drury, the Rangers’ director of player development, told The Post. “The way he played against grown men and conducted himself in the KHL was extremely impressive. –– ADVERTISEMENT –– “He can skate, has very good hands, he’s got a terrific shot — all kinds of shots — he’s got excellent vision, and he competes, there’s no doubt about that,” said Drury, who spent time in Russia this winter monitoring Buchnevich’s progress. “He does everything well.”

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 7:36 am EST

Drew the ifs and buts back then as now make my head spin....jagr nylander straka were a killer #1 line.....and the genius figured out how to blow that, then proceed in his cover-up with desperation signings.....trading gaborik was total bs to keep that punk talkerella happy.....and the deals they have made to make up for the inadequacies and inabilities of weknow and will continue to make, will haunt the nyr....these 2 gms and the last 3 coaches have cost those teams Cups ....that's the true hypothetical disgraces.....and I don't care about trading away their stinking #1 picks et al.....all that matters is having a parade, instead they get rained / reigned out.....welcome to the summer of discontent.....next season's theme..." "Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!"....

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 7:21 am EST

arc the only way for fishboy to save face (ass) is to sign yandle , otherwise it's another msl deal...both were ok but didn't deliver the cup....but I'm of the firm belief that the oilers of the 80's with veendontknow at the helm would probably not have won 1 Cup.....and definitely if he she was the fishtanks coach in their cup years.....they wouldn't have won one...too bad he wasn't , the nyr might have back then.....

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 7:17 am EST

Stevie - also on the Drury, Gomez signings, they had Cullen signed and Dubinsky ready. They probably could have signed one of Gomez or Drury. I actually liked Nylander and did not mind if he was returning.

DREW


Sat May 14 2016 7:13 am EST

Looking back, was the Yandle deal necessary? I know it's easy to say now but at the time, the Rangers were on an amazing surge for the President's Trophy with Talbot. I didn't think Yandle was the missing piece. They were rotating John Moore and Matt Hunwick in that spot. I wasn't down on Moore. I just thought it was odd that they felt acquiring Yandle was worth Duclair and the picks.

DREW


Sat May 14 2016 7:03 am EST

I feel much better today. I still don't like my wife's cat but I'm not gonna let certain two piss in my Rangers Zen today. wiosa - I'm not sure Stammer needs much of a supporting cast. In that sense he's a lot like Tavares and even Nash. I think he's good for 35g regardless of who you put him with. Stevie- I think we had to give up so much mostly because he had another year left and they ended up eating half the salary. I think the original thought was to use him for year and flip him for a haul last trade deadline (or sign him long term). If either of those happened the trade would have been much more palatable but this is where Fishboybhas lost me; the assanine decision to go for broke with such a flawed team which in the end will cost them years of non competing teams. its fascinating how the worst idiots are the ones where regardless of how many times they are proven to be wrong, they in their own minds are frighin geniuses (jerry Reese, Louis van Gall, Jim duquette,TD). Everyone is laughing at them but they just don't get it. I don't think Fishboy is at that level but his lack of a clear vision so far is very concerning. As Yorkie said if you're plan is to move the albatross underperforming, limited movement clauses contracts (Girardi, Staal, Henke); I'll believe it when I see it.

_Arc


Sat May 14 2016 6:54 am EST

Moof the summer theme song ....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LCclVtFR6o

stevielegs


Sat May 14 2016 6:28 am EST

the one part of the yandle trade that was not really acceptable was trading the duke eclair. It seems other gms smell nyr desperation blood on many deals and get the better of them . then the sather fishboy apologists point to my hero capt fugitive parmenter for no go gomez.....never-mind why gomez and drury had to be signed... they seem to mostly negotiate on these deals from weakness....alias brain rust....and no matter what deal they make, the spin makes most dizzy...confusing the old death defying act with logic defying act ...so now for your summer entertainment the fishboy starts on his cruise to nowhere special with his navigator veendontknow....this is shaping up to be a summer to forget... now their first big slash to try and make fans forget the drowning.. ......".Even before the Rangers traded Anthony Duclair, many in the organization thought Russian winger Pavel Buchnevich was their top prospect. It was a matter of if and when he would get to North America. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/13/rangers-sign-top-prospect-pavel-buchnevich/#sthash.Rhg1BX3r.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri May 13 2016 9:11 pm EST

Sorry, Buch can go to the KHL with the European Assignment clause.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 13 2016 9:06 pm EST

Great job by Jeff Gorton with the Pavel Buchnevich signing. His deal is for 3 years and a $925,000 cap hit.... $832,500 NHL salary annually + $92,500 Signing Bonus. The. deal also includes a Euro assignment clause(no KHL or AHL)......having ZERO performance bonuses in his contract means the Rangers are free to offer maximum ELC performance bonuses to guys like Vesey. Good start to our summer.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 13 2016 9:04 pm EST

I'm on the fence about Stamkos. Love the guy, but we don't have the supporting cast the Bolts have. I also like Brassard. He's scoring and racking up assists at the Worlds..there's something about this team....RF4L might be right it just might be AV

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 8:55 pm EST

WIOSA....i honestly think that u need a nut job player on the 3rd of 4th line to keep other teams honest in the playoffs. Call me crazy , but when the Rangers went on the Cup run......they were playing pretty damn good with Carbomb. They also played well with Dorsett and Prust before him. Bring in a young hatable piece of shit and teams like the Pens will think twice. Then put McIlrath as the 5/6 defense and you have a Cup worthy team :-) Oh and bring in Stamkos and get rid of Brass

TradeStar28


Fri May 13 2016 8:39 pm EST

Trade he did the same thing to the Caps...Trotz was losing his mind..

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 8:34 pm EST

Letang did whatever he wanted to the Rangers......AV sends his players out with to Sham-wow his balls ........

TradeStar28


Fri May 13 2016 8:28 pm EST

Go Bolts...go Bolts...2-0!

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 8:27 pm EST

OK, Cally is back in my good graces :) Be nice if The Tang is out for a while.

LeoS


Fri May 13 2016 8:24 pm EST

RF stop being a little girl when did I say he couldn't be traded? I don't care but what you're saying he's worth is stupid and only a fool would want the deal you suggested with that said gorton will probably do that deal. You avoided the question because you know you wouldn't do either deal for hank because they are stupid. TD lmao etem has size and speed that's it no talent he's not Hayes he sucks hea not a player this bullshit talent heart is pure crap said by people who say something stupid then try to quantify it with bullshit.

York18


Fri May 13 2016 7:51 pm EST

Good job Gorton on the Buch signing....rumor has it he's also trying for Vadim Shipachev, a 29 yo forward who's rumored to be pretty good. He's an old teammate of Buchs. Supposedly the Habs are interested too. I'm repeating a rumor from another site...I don't follow minors.

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 7:09 pm EST

Wild...Broder 95 Devils. They were master's of the NZT. Like watching paint dry. Yes Marty stopped all 100 scoring chances he faced that year.

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 7:01 pm EST

Every year this comes up, every year I bring this point up and every time I know I am 100% correct. Teams may win with goalies who are not HOF caliber for their careers, but EVERY SINGLE TIME those teams with those goalies win the cup the goalie played at that HOF level that Hank and a few others do every year. PLENTY of teams have had everything else at the highest level, but in net they can't get it done, it takes having everything clicking at the highest level and a goalie who is below average playing like a top 5 all time for it to work out. Sorry, I am not going to willingly sign up for a "maybe he can have a career year this year so we can win the cup" situation. Tell me just one time a goalie played below average, or had below HOF type stats and won the cup...

Wildcard


Fri May 13 2016 6:41 pm EST

Rangers management always react not act. Wait far too long to make moves. Never trade the aging vet to get younger. Sign old players to retirement contracts. The list goes on. Playing in nyc with the pampered lifestyle, getting first rate travel, first rate catered everything, imo makes these guys soft. I don't always know if it is a MSG wide mandate to play whistle to whistle gentlemanly style or do these guys eventually start to worry about not getting g a black eye because of an upcoming black tie event! Bring back the Black & Blueshirts please. Might of not been to most talented team during this run but was the one I was most proud of and the most fun to follow.

NYStranger


Fri May 13 2016 6:24 pm EST

Wiosa loyalty is a good trait...he probably hopes to win the Cup, and get his number hung in the rafters at msg in the future

stevielegs


Fri May 13 2016 5:49 pm EST

Maybe, as Stevie said, Hank wants, to win here, with his team. It's as good a guess as any

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 5:29 pm EST

RF4L: If HANK is the latter it might explain why he hasn't been his best in the playoffs...... And if he is I wouldn't want him on my team.

Vic


Fri May 13 2016 4:56 pm EST

NEW YORK -- The New York Rangers have signed Russian forward Pavel Buchnevich. General manager Jeff Gorton announced on Friday that the 21-year-old had signed an entry-level contract. Buchnevich split this past season between Severstal Cherepovets and SKA St. Petersburg of the Kontinental Hockey League, collecting 16 goals and 21 assists in 58 games. He established KHL career-highs in games played, goals, assists, points, game-winning goals (three), power play goals (four), and average ice time (16:10). Among KHL players younger than 24, Buchnevich ranked third in assists, ranked fourth in points, and tied for seventh in goals. Buchnevich had 37 goals and 50 assists in 158 career KHL games over parts of four seasons (2012-13 - 2015-16). He was selected by the Rangers in the third round, 75th overall, of the 2013 NHL draft. Kings: Sutter agrees to new contract LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Kings and coach Darryl Sutter have agreed to the terms of a new contract. The team announced the new multiyear deal Friday though it didn't offer details beyond saying that it begins with the upcoming season. General manager Dean Lombardi had said last week that the Kings had offered Sutter a deal that was "very fair" to the two-time Stanley Cup champion coach. Sutter is 186-112-45 in the regular season since being hired by the Kings in December 2011. Los Angeles won the title in 2012 and 2014, but missed the playoffs last season. The Kings rebounded strongly and led the Pacific Division for most of this season, but finished one point out of first place before getting routed in five games by San Jose in the first round of the playoffs. Stars: Seguin had strained calf after Achilles cut FRISCO, Texas -- Tyler Seguin missed the last 11 games of the playoffs for the Dallas Stars with a strained left calf that was weakened by sitting out the final 10 games of the regular season because of a cut on his Achilles tendon. The All-Star forward was limited to 16 minutes in Game 2 of a first-round series victory against Minnesota. He strained the calf in that game, his only appearance of the postseason, and missed all seven games of a second-round loss to St. Louis. Seguin was second to captain Jamie Benn in scoring with 73 points (33 goals, 40 assists). Forward Patrick Sharp separated a shoulder in the St. Louis series but didn't miss any time. Two other forwards were injured: Antoine Roussel (strained abdomen) and Travis Moen (broken wrist).

RF73


Fri May 13 2016 4:33 pm EST

Interesting, Pens supposedly starting Murray, wonder what this means for Fluery?

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 3:45 pm EST

re: NICHUSKIN - Nice thought. If i recall, he was a player the Rangers were interested in during the deadline. But I think Vic's assessment is dead on. He's not the project this Ranger team needs to take on. Especially if Hank is going the other way,

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 3:34 pm EST

_Arc - Wow. Polysyllabic words? Very good. And they said you couldn't learn.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 3:32 pm EST

So does Lundqvist care more about winning a cup or being a well loved celebrity athlete with skinny jeans? If the latter, well, he's obviously not gonna agree to a trade until/unless the Rangers absolutely stink, which with a potential lameduck coach, could be as soon as next year. Of course, by then the window to move him will have closed because with expansion looming several other teams will be looking to trade away decent goalies. That of course, is precisely the Ranger GM methodology and the sorry record (one cup in 75 years) is the result.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 3:31 pm EST

man...SUCKS this guy is in our system: https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/731213493630869505/photo/1

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 3:27 pm EST

Mother.......

_Arc


Fri May 13 2016 3:25 pm EST

Vic - we'll agree to disagree on Texas. Place is nice in small doses. There's too much about it though that'd I'd never want to live there. Dallas-Fort Worth area ain't bad as far as Texas goes, but it's hardly the place where your standard 30-something celebrity would want to hang...A guy like Hank is nothing short of a god in NYC. The guy has the best of all worlds. He's rich beyond imagination, is beloved by 90 percent of the hockey fans in the greater metropolitan area(and Long Island for that matter), but can also be anonymous when he wants because as popular as the Rangers are, they're still fifth fiddle to the Yankees, Mets, Giants and Knicks. And when they're good, the Jets too...there are few places on the planet where you can be a professional athlete and live like the Rangers do.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 2:57 pm EST

York - The difference between HAGELIN and ETEM is that one has heart and the other has talent. Hagelin is a guy who has exceeded all expectation. SEL passed on him because he lacked in the talent category. Can't remember the exact story but I recall Hags came to the US because his career had pretty much hit a plateau. And when Michigan gave him a chance, the guy pushed himself 110 percent every day of the week...but in raw talent, Hags is nothing special....on the flip side, ETEM has the raw talent, IMO, but is lacking somewhat in the heart category. I can readily admit I expected a lot more of him than what he delivered...yet if you took him during his draft year and compared him to Hags during his draft year, there would be a giant gaping disparity between the two....enough so that one was drafted in the first round and the other was drafted in the sixth...talent, as I'm sure you recognize, doesn't necessarily mean much. Alex DAIGLE was an incredible talent. He just didn't have the brain or heart to translate it into a productive NHL career. And while I don't think Etem was/is nearly as talented(or conversely heartless), I do think he's got more tools in the box than Hagelin. He just doesn't have a clue how to use them. Hagelin knows his best asset is his speed and he's built a career out of it. Buuuuut...the guy has hands of stone and were it not for his speed, he'd struggle to make an AHL team.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 2:50 pm EST

Dude, I'm not gonna get into a silly pissing match about what the King is or isn't worth. I stand by my stance: If the King's interested, Gorther should explore trade options for him. I realize it's sacrilegious to many Ranger fans to even suggest such a thing. Alas, the near-sighted individuals running the ship likely feel the same way. Oh well, at least the Leafs will be interesting to watch next year! LOL

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 2:46 pm EST

RF picks are important but you just want picks to get excited about draft day you don't care the cost of those picks it seems you sound like milbury drafting a guy trading him just to draft another guy

York18


Fri May 13 2016 2:44 pm EST

RF let me ask you this would you trade hank for etem a late first rounder and one of those crap goaloes? If the answer is no your deal is the same thing or okay how about Hayes a late first and one of those goalies do you think that is worth ha k and it makes this team better I don't.

York18


Fri May 13 2016 2:36 pm EST

RF4L if hanky wanted out of here, veenyo would have been fired.....and when he speaks up, veenyo will be gone.....and maybe fishboy with him.....

stevielegs


Fri May 13 2016 2:32 pm EST

York: That's precisely the stance I'd expect from you.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 2:30 pm EST

BTW, something else to consider with regards to moving the King. First, is he open to that? If so, then I say it behooves Gorther to explore it, targeting of course, PO contending teams only. The King is being paid handsomely but has been a fabulous Rangers since his arrival. He's played a ton of important minutes and has been arguably the single most important Ranger in the past decade. If he wants to go elsewhere to put the finishing touches on a great career, Gorther should try to get it done.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 2:10 pm EST

RF you don't trade hank for a player that is a project and a late round pick in the first you're getting crap for him at that rate I'd keep him no reason to trade him for a project and a kid who may play for this team 3-5 years from now and take one of their goalies talk about a losing deal

York18


Fri May 13 2016 2:04 pm EST

WIOSA: Lots of 21 year olds have bad habits. That often changes with maturity. Now if there are deeper issues with him, that's different but all we can go by is what we see and read and there are plenty of stories in the past about 20/21 year old pro athletes with questionable work ethics who mature into solid players.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 2:03 pm EST

right wrong or indifferent, i did get a chuckle out of that flaming post.. lol... ..Rf4l hanky wants to win it in a nyr uniform as far as i can tell....i sure hope he does.....

stevielegs


Fri May 13 2016 2:01 pm EST

Ny Rangers signed Buch to Entry Level Contract

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 1:49 pm EST

RF: Don't get me wrong. If the Rangers can move HANK I'm very interested in doing it. This fantasy that the Rangers can only win a Cup with HANK (or a HOF level goaltender) is nuts IMHO. First, they have never been able to win one with him when everything was built around him. And second, it hasn't stopped other teams from winning Cups with incredibly average goaltenders. And third, HANK may still be capable of playing at an insanely good level for the month or so at a time, but what are the odds that month or so will coincide with a playoff run. It sure didn't this year. And down the stretch there were plenty of times were he looked as bad or worse then either Dallas goaltender. I realize the Rangers may not get much more then the package you mention for HANK so I'll take it if that is the best return the Rangers can get.

Vic


Fri May 13 2016 1:49 pm EST

YORKIE...I agree, you come to NY for the money, the chance to win, or your last contract. Right now only option 3 is open and Lord Please no more final contracts for aging Vets.....RF4L,..doesn't mater how old he is, bad work habits aren't usually curable. JMHO

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 1:44 pm EST

Vic/TD: Not being an American, I didn't really know how to take the comments from you TD about Dallas. I worked in and around Dallas for 2+ years (2005 to 2008), travelling there approximately every 2nd week. My exposure to NYC is much more limited so it's impossible for me to compare the 2. But I enjoyed Dallas and found the people very hospital.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 1:39 pm EST

Vic: Yep, NICHUSHKIN comes with warts but my God, this kid just turned 21. He scored 14 goals and 34 points as an 18 year old rookie then missed most of last year with an injury. He's a gamble, but this guy was selected 10th overall for a reason - he's got the skillset of a true power forward. If it's the King straight up for him, no way. But a first, him and a prospect (and accepting one of the Finnish goalies is the Rangers doing the Stars a cap favour) to me is a solid return for a 34 year old very well compensated goalie. This is the sort of move that takes guts and foresight, adjectives rarely spoke of when it comes to Ranger GMs in the last 20 years.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 1:32 pm EST

I was thinking back to something AV said mid season last year where he said they want to give this core one last shot. He said it again at the deadline almost like he knew they wouldn't do it the way he said it but that they deserved the chance for what they have done. That's scary to think k gorton and AV just went for the ride. Now you have a team that is rotting and against the cap you need to free up contracts like Nash staal one of brass stepan girardi but who wants him? And finally there is zero reason stamkos comes here look cagguilla signed with the oil to play with mcdavid guys are going to look to sign with the leafs toplay with Matthews there is zero alloure to come to NY right now

York18


Fri May 13 2016 1:31 pm EST

TD: I grew up in North Jersey and spent the first 28 years of my life around NYC. I worked in the city in college and after college, and spent a lot of time there. For the last 20 plus years I've lived in TX. I've lived in the Dallas area for a lot of that time and I've worked regularly in Dallas for most of that time. You would never get me to go back to NYC to live and work. IMHO there is no comparison. I would take the Dallas area "every day of the week and twice on Sundays" as the saying used to go. And most of the players that come through Dallas love it there for MANY reasons. I've traveled to most places in the country for work over the years. I've been in most states and spent a good chunk of time on the west coast. I loved the area around North California before Silicone Valley really blew up. Mountainview, San Jose, etc. But after that my favorite place to live (not retire) would be in the Dallas area. My love of the Rangers has nothing to do with New York. They simply were my team from a young age, much as the Mets were. I walked away from baseball for 15 years. When I came back it wasn't to the Mets. It was to the Texas Rangers. And if I walk away from the Rangers now (which I am close to doing....just haven't haven't pulled the plug yet) if/when I ever do come back it won't be to the Rangers. Most likely it would be the Stars......

Vic


Fri May 13 2016 1:26 pm EST

TD it's admirable that you stick by your love of etem but more talented than hags? Hardly he can hardly crack an NHL lineup where as hags is a second like NHL player on a cup contender sorry but you're wrong. Gorton inherited nothing he was part of this and his strength was supposed to be cap management along with drafting well he has failed at cap management. You want to know the sign of a good GM? It's knowing the difference between. What looks good on paper and what works in real life another area he has failed miserably. The rangers are not a contender because hank is in net if they were they would have won a cup already. Your trade Nash posts are funny no one wants an 8 mil 20 goal scorer they are stuck with him. The staal deal was horrible he was playing horrible you're dead wrong in all of this. I agree with Jensen though I'm not as optimistic with his upside as you are and hrivik is fodder IMO.

York18


Fri May 13 2016 1:25 pm EST

TD..Getzlaf did not play on the Ducks third line. Arcs description of Hags is pretty much on the money. Hagelin is a cog...he is the little wheel that gets those Big Wheels, (you know, the movers and shakers,) going. You don't notice the cog until it's missing......GARY...you do make an interesting point about AV, whom I like, btw,. I not only think they got rid of one too many core members, they lost leadership as well. I do believe MSL, was the leadership in that locker room....RF4L hear, hear..I wanted Stamkos, but in lieu of Staal...which,of course, we couldn't afford.

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 1:16 pm EST

RF: On NICHUSHKIN....I listen to The Ticket out of Dallas pretty much every day. The talk about NICHUSHKIN there among the hosts and fans is much the same as the talk about HITLER here. NICHUSHKIN is "a big guy with a very high talent level who is LAZY, DISINTERESTED, and doesn't use his size at all. He plays a perimeter game and when the physical intensity of the playoffs kicked off he checked out. He didn't want to engage. They were calling for the Stars to pull him out of the lineup in favor of someone who would play harder. They didn't want to give up on him because of his high skill level, but they wanted to put him on ice until next year. So, it sounds like to me he is exactly the kind of guy the Rangers don't need unless maybe HITLER goes the other way in the deal.

Vic


Fri May 13 2016 1:15 pm EST

Just smh at some of the things being said on this wall. Going to be a long summer

KIS


Fri May 13 2016 12:53 pm EST

RF4L - Another flamer who got bored with tinder and doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 12:42 pm EST

Stamkos to me equals another shiny (albeit very shiny) object that Ranger fans always seem to get giddy over. The guy is clearly alluring but how healthy will he be? For me, I'm tired of shiny objects - do things the right way. For a change. Lest we're content with endless years of no cup. I guess Dolans is provided he get PO revenue.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 12:41 pm EST

_Arc - can't argue with stupid, so I guess I'll say go stick your right hand up your posterior and try to dislodge your head. Hags makes everyone on his lines better? Guess that's why PERRY and GETZLAF had their slowest starts ever. And STAAL is done? You must be talent scout. A really bad one. GFYS.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 12:40 pm EST

_Arc: LOLOL...whoa man, that was a double barrel blast. YIKES!

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 12:35 pm EST

Now one area where the Rangers would be better off trading their star is eliminating Rick NASH. They are better off giving this guy away so they can open up cap space and possibly make a serious offer to STAMKOS. I don't know what the Rangers chances are of landing him, but if he's serious about leaving Tampa, I'd say they are pretty good. Would be interesting if the Rangers did the almost unthinkable In dealing McDONAGH, who has a very cap friendly deal, and the hand the reins of the team over to Stamkos. You want a seriously good retool of the Rangers? Move McD for someone like TROUBA or the Sabres RISTOLANEN. Then sign Stammer. Boom. Cup favorite.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 12:33 pm EST

TD- BULLSHIT!!! (..... As usual). You still try to justify the idiotic assessments both YOU and Fishboy made; 1. It wasn't Hags for 'A more talented' player and a prospect it was a vital cog who makes everyone he plays with better (see Rangers and Pitt) for a guy who accidentally scored a highlight goal or two AND a trade up of 10 spots of a draft pick. Nice try there to make it seem like Gropp was wholy a part of the trade. The fact is Gropp could have fallen another 10 slots and the Rangers essentially traded Eatme straight up for Hags. Only in your fish ou butt licking world is Eatme ( a lifetime middling AHLer a talented player and an All star defenseman who routinely puts up 50pts is a bum!!!!! It's an imbicillic thing to say even for you!! 2. Stall is washed up! He was washed up when we traded for him when I and many others here even said so and he is still washed up after watching him with the Rangers for the past few weeks! Fact is you and gorton and whoever thought he was going to push us over some imagined hump was WRONG!!!! Bad judgement!!! Piss poor evaluating skills. WRONG WEONG WRONG!!!!! Stfu already with this drivel. It's aggravating even to skip your DAMNED posts. It's having a negating fucking impact on my well being! STFU with your player evaluations. Your always fuCKING WRONG you dimwit!

_Arc


Fri May 13 2016 12:23 pm EST

Gary - that's the point: you're never going to get the return the Rangers would need to part ways with Hank. Best you're gonna get is a couple of B prospects and a mid-first. And above all, any contending team would want you to eat salary. On a related note: Look back at 90 percent of the superstars traded in their prime and the trading team almost always gets hosed. For instance, the Bruins and SEGUIN. Or the Sens and SPEZZA. Or more to the point, LUONGO. All those deals did was make the dealing team weaker. In fact, I can't remember the last time a superstar was traded and the team who dealt him ended up better off in the end. Like I said, the only reason to trade Hank is if you want to bottom out and grab a top-10 pick next year. In which case, trading Hank would be the perfect move. Rangers without Hank would struggle to stay above .500. Also totally disagree that Hank is not elite anymore. The guy played with what was among the worst defenses in the league and still managed to get his team in the playoffs. Remember if it weren't for Hank, the Rangers wouldn't have won all those games at the beginning g if the season and probably wouldn't have even made the playoffs.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 12:21 pm EST

Rhet0ric, let translate the article for you with my comments. Basically, Pavel was not happy in CKA. Imagine you are on the last year of your contact knowing that you won't come back. So that's what was his attitude. A while ago, he maid the decision that he wants to play in NHL. He was only in CKa for 1 year. He didn't attempt to settle down. He did not make any friends, and his desire to be somewhere was very prominent. He is flying to NY over the upcoming weekend. Author did say, that he is very talented, great ice vision, great hands and a great shot. On downside, he not easy to get along with. So take it for it is. Good for the Rangers that he wants to be here. Which means, he has no intentions to come back to play in Russia...

andrei


Fri May 13 2016 12:03 pm EST

Radulov's next

Higgy21


Fri May 13 2016 11:20 am EST

WIOSA, they sure seemed to get AV's system for the 1st 2 years after grinding the first 1/3 of season 1. That thing last year was a well oiled machine and it made the backup goalie look like Lundquist. Go figure. I think the loss of Hags was just one post too many to pull out of the foundation. Cally, Boyle, Prust... even Stralman... they survived those losses. But not Hags, esp. w/ the D getting old and mule like over night.

Gary


Fri May 13 2016 11:17 am EST

Pert Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger .... Not sure of legitimacy here so take it with pinch of salt, but this story says Buchnevich will fly to US at weekend.....http://lifenews78.ru/news/199074

Rhet0ric


Fri May 13 2016 11:15 am EST

I love Rick Nash as a hockey player and I think there are several GM's of contending teams that would too. Unfortunately, I think they will part with this under appreciated player. They have got to plug in a right handed, young veteran D (hello Shattenkirk).

Gary


Fri May 13 2016 11:13 am EST

RF4L...you've got a point. All along I've felt AV has walked into a team loaded with players that don't fit his system, but this is true of many newly hired coaches. Lord knows he's tried every line combo, possibly he needs to revamp his system?

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 11:13 am EST

If you can get a king's ransom you trade Hank... pronto. Writing "Hank" and "trade" in the sentence gets you flamed far and wide in Ranger land, but the truth is he is no longer the king of goalies. He's just another really good one and he's aging and his equipment is about to get smaller. All the holes that could be filled... now will they find a willing taker? I don't think so. Also, I don't think he'd go.

Gary


Fri May 13 2016 11:10 am EST

And I said a first, that Russian winger and a prospect and yes, they'd have to take on one of those Finnish goalies for cap purposes, if not anything else. Niemi's hit is $4,500,000. A swap that way means the Stars have a $4,000,000 hit. Well Alex Goligoski will become an UFA next month and his hit is $4,200,000, plus the Stars with 15 players under contract for next season, are sitting at $55,000,000 nearly $20,000,000 under the projected cap ceiling. They can fit the King's salary in without a doubt...

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 11:04 am EST

TD: Pretty simple to me. To win a cup. He sure makes a lot of noise about his burning desire to do so. Dallas represents a better chance at realizing that vs the Rangers. Or maybe he's full of hot air and really doesn't place a lot of importance on that. His countryman, a revered player in his own right, spoke all the time about wanting to win a cup but when it came down to it, refused to be traded, despite being on a team in worse shape than the Rangers. In the end, it turned out to be a lot of hot air - winning was secondary to being comfortable. Who am I referring to? Mats Sundin of course. Is the King the same? Maybe...

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 9:57 am EST

RF4L - You touch upon another reason why it's ridiculous to suggest trading LUNDQVIST: Why the F would he want to leave New York? With or without a cup, he's a goddamn celebrity here...the face of an original six franchise in the best city on the planet. And you think he'd want to go to Dallas? And as stupid as that Larkin article is --and journalistically it's as bad as they come --he does raise a crucial point which negates the whole thing, which is that the Stars would need to dump a ton of salary just to fit him under the cap. That means the Rangers taking NEIMI in addition to another sucker team taking LEHTONEN...and then I'm not sure if you took in what he was suggesting the Stars move for Lundqvist: Esa Lindell and a late first-round pick. Now I know you don't think too highly of Gorton or Sather, but I should hope you believe they have more common sense than to trade the bedrock of the Ranger franchise for a B-prospect, the 25th-overall pick and a burning tire pile of a goaltender...

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 9:50 am EST

WIOSA: Maybe it's the man behind the bench who's the problem.....

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 9:48 am EST

Hospo - JENSEN is a legit prospect. He's a very well-rounded player. I think I've said it before, but it's not a matter of 'if' he becomes a regular NHLer, but rather 'when.' And after when, what type of player he becomes. I think there are some similarities between him and FAST,(which will probably give you more fuel to bash him)...but he has good hands, decent size, plays an aggressive game, has good acceleration and can score. He's a quintessential AV-type player. Were I to place a bet, I'd say he makes the team out of camp and lands himself a regular role on third line. I don't think he'll ever be an all-star, but he's a very good serviceable player. And BTW, he's already been in the NHL(24 games), so technically he's already exceeded your expectations.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 9:45 am EST

stevie: I have no idea what the King might want. What we read about him continually, however, is how badly he wants a cup. Well, just how badly does he want it? Bad enough to accept a trade to a team that's clearly a contender and in a much better position currently to challenge for a cup vs the Rangers. And it's not like he'd be traded to Winterpeg or something like that.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 9:43 am EST

Brassard, Skjei, Zucc..all playing well individually at the Worlds...we just can't put them together on the same team.

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 9:41 am EST

RF4L - the retool the Rangers need isn't a top-down overhaul IMO...this team has a very good core...all they need to do is add to it...I think some of what will happen this offseason will be addition by subtraction...losing Dan BOYLE and his anchor contract is a coup...and frankly, I think losing YANDLE will be another move that will ultimately make the team better...I hope we can get something for the latter, but if we don't...oh well...then perhaps the most critical move is getting rid of NASH and replacing him with someone talented...but losing those three bums is a great move in the right direction, even if you're replacing them with guys like SKJEI, GRAVES and BUCHNEVICH...The only reason you move LUNDQVIST, IMO, is if you're trying to tank and grab a generational talent. And I just don't see Gorton doing that this year or any year for that matter.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 9:35 am EST

RF4L - with you on next year ...I saw zero out of HRVIK other then a responible player....A poor mans Jesper Fast, if thjat's possible.....and not fit for a momemtum changing 4th line...Black Ace at best...jensen still nothing but an AHLer..I expect little from him or basically whatt Lindberg produced during the last 3/4's of the season (nothing)..As for BUCH, like him alot but kinda doubt his all around game is ready for the NHL right off the bat...So, really, nothing to see there...As a result, the Rangers willbe signing FAs and making trades to change the roster, not counting on impacts from Hartford..At least they better...

Hospo


Fri May 13 2016 9:32 am EST

RF4l do you really think hanky would even agree to a trade? ....the brain rust might fantasize , and then deal with their concept of reality....to make $ .......

stevielegs


Fri May 13 2016 9:30 am EST

GES999 What a moron. Or as Bugs said "what a maroon"

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 9:25 am EST

YORKIE...the word 'assumed' was in quotes, meaning I'm quoting someone else's post. ...We already drove two posters to a respite with our debate on the GM....whether he proposed, or made the deals himself, Sather was t he official GM, he was RESPONSIBLE...until he was no longer the official GM.

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 9:19 am EST

TD: Buch I am excited about, but to wax poetic about the Rangers chances next year because Hrvik and Jensen might be in the lineup says it all for me: The feeder system is weak. And of course, that comes as no surprise (more like totally expected): Trading away high draft picks like they're dimestore candy will do that an organization.

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 9:16 am EST

Stevens aka Stifficus ask Colostomy Boy will never learn...

Hospo


Fri May 13 2016 9:15 am EST

TD: Your iron cloud definitive opinions are pretty amusing, I gotta say. LOL. Where you and I differ here the most I think, is that you are declaring that with the King the Rangers are a contender. That's clearly open for debate. They certainly were not this year - deservedly out in 5 games against the Pens, a team you keep stating is not very good (but that's another discussion, isn't it). Yes, I concur that it's arguable the Rangers wouldn't even have made the POs if not for the King's play, especially early in the season. But that doesn't mean they are (or were) a contender. So it comes down to this (if you're Gorther): Where does he believe his team is currently? I'm guessing at least a significant retool is required and how long will that take? One summer? IMO, that's unrealistic, perhaps more unrealistic than the belief that adding Eric Staal woujld put this team over the hump (and how did that work out - 2 2nd rounders wasted is how it turned out). It's gonna take at least a couple of seasons and even at that, there's zero guarantee of anything. The King is aging. His better days, at least as a number 1 goalie playing 70+ games, are behind him. It's time to investigate moving him IMO while his value is still relatively high. Stop hanging on to aging veterans until they have no value. It's bad management. And it lacks both courage and foresight. For once wouldn't it be nice to see a Ranger GM think proactively?

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 9:05 am EST

Good morning - but not for Kevin Stevens: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/ex-nhler-kevin-stevens-busted-selling-oxycodone-article-1.2635873

ges999


Fri May 13 2016 9:04 am EST

re: GORTON - The irony is that his strong suit is his ability at the draft table. If I recall correctly, he was the guy who drafted KESSEL, LUCIC and MARCHAND...he also was the guy behind the RASK trade...I think with the Rangers, he's been somewhat hamstrung by circumstance, which is that the team was hard against the cap and in a position where they appeared to only need minor modification...And as much as we can blast his moves now, they DID look fairly good on paper...conventional wisdom would suggest YANDLE coming to New York with how good the Rangers were during their run up to the President's Cup would push them over the top...And had it not been for the injury to ZUCC, there was a good chance the Rangers would have been going back to the cup...and then the deal for ETEM...makes sense to get a younger, more talented player on the cheap and a top prospect for a player he was going to inevitably lose in a year anyway...we talk about a lack of leadership in the room...Well he tried to address that with STOLL, who was well respected in the Kings locker room...The STAAL deal too...seemed good on paper...that this guy who still has plenty in the tank could come in to again fill the void of leadership and solidify the team up the middle...on paper, a line with Staal and NASH seems like it would be a deadly one...So yeah, it's easy to blast him for trading picks for cap space...but with all the anchor contracts he inherited, what else could he do? What needed to be done last season was that NASH needed to be moved...but Gorton gave him another chance...now there's no question the Rangers are going to be retooled. There's simply no way anyone is going to let this team coast back into the season looking the same way it did when it coasted onto the golf course last month. I suspect at least five roster players are moved...question will be what direction Gorton goes...does he move these guys for other veterans? Or does he move them for picks and address organizational needs through the UFA market? Or does he fill spaces from within? I think it's pretty clear BUCHNEVICH is in the lineup next season...I suspect HRIVIK is another who lands a roster space...Ditto with JENSEN. Question is do those kids get a shot, or will he turn to veterans?

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 8:38 am EST

RF4L - Again, there is seriously ZERO chance the Rangers trade LUNDQVIST, IMO, especially considering that a cup-winning goalie --FLEURY --is likely going to be on the market...and with the Stars, you have to either take LEHTONEN or NEIMI. No way the Stars trade for another starter without unloading one of their sieves...the other thought to take into consideration: Almost every time a superstar player has been dumped by a franchise, the return for him hasn't been very good...so in the off-chance the Rangers DO try to trade Lundqvist, they're going to be dealing from a position of extreme weakness...the only advantage I see to such a deal would be to gain the $8.7 million in cap space...and even then, a team like the Stars would probably require the Rangers to eat some of Hank's salary...I wasn't a huge fan of Hank's performance last year, but I also KEENLY remember the days before Hank and have no real urge to go back there...The Rangers have a couple of really nice prospects for the net --SKAPSKI, HUSKA, HALVERSON and the Russian kid. And while RAANTA has been a very serviceable backup, the reality is the Rangers with Lundqvist are a contender no matter who is in front of him. Without him, they're not. Even in the very unlikely event that they could land a generational talent like McDAVID or someone of similar ilk, the Rangers absent Lundqvist would struggle to hit .500, IMO.

tdchi


Fri May 13 2016 7:48 am EST

the gm job is important for the present and the future, but unless the coach does his job, it doesn't matter how good he is or isn't. And since he is keeping his coach , he better make sure his coach does his job a lot better, or replace him. at least his future guys are in good hands when they get to Hartford. Fishboy could give weknow an all star team , and the results will probably still be no Cup......rinse and repeat.....from dolan to sather to fishboy to veenknow........the leadership is not where it needs to be.....

stevielegs


Fri May 13 2016 7:45 am EST

IMO one of Gorther's first tasks should be chatting with Jim Nil about the Stars possible interest in Lundqvist. If there's interest, he then should go to the King to gauge his interest in waiving his NMC. How badly does the King want a cup, really the only accomplishment left to be realized on his resume. I cannot see how the Rangers won't take a dip next year - to the point where the POs might not be realistic. I think AV returning has the distinct ordour of a lameduck coach and that never works out. The roster is in desperate need of fresh young SKILLED legs, too, and other than Buch there's nothing on the horizon in that regard. The King will turn 35 next season - his personal window is starting to close. Deal him if it's possible. A first, a young starting winger and a prospect is more than reasonable IMO. Do it Gorther...

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 7:40 am EST

The guy I dislike is Gleff Gorther. Mediocre GMing at best. He orchestrated a nice little run, but in the end won nothing and has place the organization in a precarious position. Now a real challenge awaits him - fixing this mess. Is he up to the task? We're gonna start to find out real soon....

RF4L


Fri May 13 2016 7:24 am EST

WIOSA that was two seconds and a prospect

York18


Fri May 13 2016 7:24 am EST

WIOSA funny how you use the ASSUMING and you know what happens when you assume right? He has been head man and running the show for more than just the Staal deal, he had the Talbot deal, the Hags deal, the Yandle deal, he brought in stool which displaced Moore and forced everyone out of position. You seem to think that he just got here in Aug or something he's been here for awhile has headed deals and also was brought in to be some supposed cap guru who can't seem to even get that right. You can ASSUME he just made one deal if it makes you feel better though. Funny when you stop and think how the Staal deal looks exactly like the Yandle deal yet in your mind you seem to think its coincidence.

York18


Fri May 13 2016 6:47 am EST

gene_carr,,,correct me if Im wrong, but Gorton has only done one deal since "assuming the title" which is the Staal deal, for 2 second rounders. I fail to see how that is setting us back for 5 years..to be honest. Cant say I like or dislike the guy, want to see what he does with this offseason and trade deadline. Just, as always, MHO

WIOSA


Fri May 13 2016 6:40 am EST

York: I agree totally. I had high expectations when he was named but he has not made one solid move since assuming the title. In fact, he set this team back 3-4 years assuming he rights the ship which may only be wishful thinking and we are in for an even longer span of mediocrity.

gene_carr


Fri May 13 2016 5:36 am EST

I have to say for the first time in about 6-7 years I am not optimistic going into this off season. I don't see things getting fixed, nor do I see Gorton doing the right things. This is a guy who has traded draft picks to bring guys here just for the other team to eat salary. It's crazy to think that they had to give up a first rounder not for Yandle, but for Phoenix to eat Yandles cap hit. The Rangers lost an asset, a prospect, because of money, you follow that up with Staal would have cost a second rounder but once again another second rounder had to be added in to eat a few hundred grand a second rounder for a few hundred grand?!?!?! This was the guy who said they have to stop trading away picks and then goes and trades away a second rounder not for a body, but for cash. The worst part is what will Gorton have to show for these two deals come july first? Nothing as both will walk away. Maybe they should have let him walk when the Leafs and other teams wanted him maybe the Rangers would have been drafting Matthews because Gorton would have traded that pick away to get Nash LOL

York18


Fri May 13 2016 3:44 am EST

didn't know George McPhee was in Brooklyn.....http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/hockey/islanders-general-manager-garth-snow-ponders-roster-moves.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 10:01 pm EST

TD....lol...

RF4L


Thu May 12 2016 5:06 pm EST

We are getting Matthews for Nash yeah baby.

York18


Thu May 12 2016 4:33 pm EST

The day Hank leaves NY is Gonna be the day o about money anymore...neither is gonna happen any time soon....

tdchi


Thu May 12 2016 4:29 pm EST

That Larkin guy should Immediately go to the hospital, because I'm pretty sure he's braindead. Not sure what the journalistic standard is at HN these days, but he's suggesting it's pretty f'in low. So let me get this straight: the Rangers want to move their one viable superstar for a questionable prospect, a late first rounder and a wide-mouth kitchen sieve? We'll do that deal right after we trade Rick NASH for Austen Matthews. That clown should be fired.

tdchi


Thu May 12 2016 4:06 pm EST

I doubt hanky leaves ny, but he might go to bklyn to play. ...snow in July ....

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 3:52 pm EST

Signed BACKES & LUCIC, period, end of story!!

hipcheck


Thu May 12 2016 2:39 pm EST

There are only two reasons Hank would agree to Dallas, 1) He wants the cup and the Rangers tell him they are going into a rebuild and his chances would be better in Dallas who are now starting their window of being a contender 2) No tax so his salary would be closer to looking like it was 10 mil because he now saves in taxes.

York18


Thu May 12 2016 2:37 pm EST

The things I like about Buch that I think will bode well for him this coming year his shot selection, he doesn't rely on one shot, he's not a deke only on the rush guy ala Nash, he has a great wrist shot, a very accurate slapper, and a very quick snap shot. He can deke too though. He's good at finding the open lane especially coming in late, or on the PP coming from the point. This is something that is lacking from players on this team. He's got a quick and accurate release and I notice the rhythm of his shot alters which makes him harder to read on his release. He's patient with the puck and draws guys to him and knows how to dish the puck. I'm excited about this kid, I think he will take time but he has the tools to be a good one. I think he can come in and score around 40-50 points if he's with the right line next season and to say that is all that is in the system is BS. I like Kovacs game as well another guy who has a great shot selection and scores from a variety of areas and shots with soft hands. I also like Gropp but I guess it adds more juice to a story to sound like the Rangers are desperate and have nothing so that the deal the guy is proposing sounds like it could happen

York18


Thu May 12 2016 2:36 pm EST

DREW....if we had any brains we would pursue a deal with Dallas.....makes sense to me especially since he's got 5 years to go at $8.5M per.

MelvilleFred


Thu May 12 2016 1:55 pm EST

"Our scouting panel ranked their farm system dead last among all 30 NHL teams in THN Future Watch 2016. There’s little to no help coming aside from Pavel Buchnevich. and a good chunk of this roster is aging, especially on defense. Dan Boyle will likely retire. Dan Girardi has regressed into a shell of what he used to be."...fishboy will double down . The genius taught him that. They play with house money which is chump change to jimmyboy gold spoon .

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 1:43 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/the-dallas-stars-should-pursue-henrik-lundqvist-this-summer-heres-how-to-make-it-happen/

DREW


Thu May 12 2016 1:35 pm EST

Guess lb has pictures since he never gets banned. He broke Buch is to be signed soon . Boyle is yesterday's news now. I liked his ss minnow analogy ... But it's more like the good bad ship lollipop ....

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 1:16 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Great Dig ! I remeber those days of pining for Ethan MOREAU and Erci DAZE amd how pretty much everybody had come to the same conclusion as Brown!..Still, not really a criticism article but more of a state of the Rangers and what they need to do--and he was right.....Kinda how Brooks was right with his Zed is dead article--even if I thought they ahd a chance to make a run and was not accounting for the utter wortlessness of AV

Hospo


Thu May 12 2016 1:08 pm EST

HOSPO: Remember this one..Frank Brown suggesting that the Rangers trade Messier. http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/toss-captain-overboard-deal-rangers-ship-article-1.767633 Waiting for Brooks to do this version but with Lundqvist.

DOUBLEN


Thu May 12 2016 12:10 pm EST

Michael Obernauer of the Daily News didn't last long. I wonder if he dared to criticize the Ranger organization.

DREW


Thu May 12 2016 11:55 am EST

HOSPO like I said you have to be very careful about what you say at times. It also depends on who you're saying it about as well. Like I said depending on how high up you are in the press gives you more freedom. A guy like Carp should be able to say what LB says but he prefers to be on their summer specials etc season preview broadcasts so he kisses ass.

York18


Thu May 12 2016 11:40 am EST

Really, BROOKS is the only one I can remember that has ever criticized the players, coach or management.....None of the guys now....None in the past either-----Dellawiener, Brown, Bondy, Fischler, Mark Everson, Hugh Delano......Anybody remember KDG (Keith Goldberg, I think) from the old days on the wall...was a beginning writer for the Daily News and actually did some stuff on the Rangers way back when..

Hospo


Thu May 12 2016 11:23 am EST

york: I"m not surprised to hear an actual case of a media guy getting his hands slapped for not stroking the Rangers. We all know that to be the case, though. I guess LB's been around long enough to get away with it (not that he ever goes overboard and he's never really criticized Sather). Read the stuff about other New York pro sports teams and you see, at times, scathing articles so it's clearly Dolans and his paranoia about his small testicles.

RF4L


Thu May 12 2016 10:45 am EST

Happy to have Brooks..... If you consider that he gets This Wall's ideas out into the real world on many an occasion, you may have a shift about how you size him up.... jmon

mf


Thu May 12 2016 10:40 am EST

IMO

mf


Thu May 12 2016 10:35 am EST

I agree for sure on Brooks. We are fortunate to have him covering this team. Do I always agree with him? Of course not. But guys like him are really rare these days.

Ola


Thu May 12 2016 10:25 am EST

RF Moral of the story for that was stay away from Sather or bashing the org, the coach and individual players on the other hand are actually fair game. The team just isn't very accommodating after that. Look at what Carp said about Boyle after he was gone, but his fat ass didn't walk away from the interview because they don't even stand by each other. Boyle had played his last game and he treated two press guys like total shite and if the collective among them had any balls they should have all walked away and left him standing by himself. This isn't Wayne Gtrezky's last game, Or Mark Messier this is Dan Boyle who sucked the whole time he was here who the hell cares.

York18


Thu May 12 2016 10:19 am EST

RF I understand the leaving sather alone thing, it's a time waster to go after him it will do nothing to change his job I know you hate the guy and let's be honest go back to the early days of RFC and you should remember no one who dislikes Sather more than I do, I exposed that guy as a fraud long ago and showed how his influence allowed him to change events and he put himself in the drivers seat as a hero. Look no further than him taking credit for Gretzky going to the Oilers when in fact he had zero to do with it. Eddie Mio had to pay for the flight on his credit card to get them to sign there and that was after they tried to sell them to damn I forgot who first over a game of backgammon that fell out and they ended up going to the Oilers, nothing at all to do with Sather. He had a lot of influence on the league for a very long time. His job is very secure writing about him will accomplish nothing. I will say this though and I know this from actual personal experience if you are part of the org, or press that covers the team at the NHL or AHL level you have to be very careful about what you do say on social media outside of actual real papers, networks etc because you can get shut out and your pass revoked. A quick example I'm not mentioning names but a certain person with press credentials made comments on a social board and for that had their press pass revoked and then the org had the balls to still use their work but try not to give them credit for it. When confronted about it instead of just giving credit where credit was due and reinstating said persons pass they removed all work and acted like they never used the work and claimed ignorance to not knowing they essentially stole property and used it without consent or permission and had used it without ever giving credit until they were caught. POS org and how they treat people in a lot of ways.

York18


Thu May 12 2016 10:02 am EST

RF4L - Brooks is the only Ranger beat writer I read occasionally..at least he has some balls and his own mind..the rest are a bunch of sackless followers that give you nothing but line changes and ranger propaganda....And then you have these fanboy blog writers like the pathetic Blueshirt Banter...Anyway,The lack of questioning and inquisitiveness amongst the writers is totally amazing..Yeah, Brooks can be a tool, but at least he gives an opinion ans sticks his neck out (i.e., Zed is dead)......Oh yeah, SIgn RADULOV!!!! :)

Hospo


Thu May 12 2016 8:34 am EST

york: I don't disagree. And I;'ve said that about LB, too - maybe he's a bit of a hack and likes to rumour monger to drive up readership, but at least he goes out of that NY Ranger media comfort zone to say something non-stroking from time to time. That said, like the rest of them, he basically leaves Sather alone.

RF4L


Thu May 12 2016 8:11 am EST

RF, I honestly think Carp is a Hack, Sather has a job for life we know this, everyone knows this, AV on the other hand does not, so why didn't he ask AV? LB rips players and the team and coach, he still gets the same access as everyone else, all but in the Boyle closing shop incident. The bottom line is this whole being shut out thing is bullshit. Sure they may not get the exclusives, but at this point the question is what exclusives. LB isn't very good, but he at least has the balls to write stuff everyone else won't. Carp came in to this season saying Mac couldn't skate or play etc, he even insinuated in that article that Mac was only kept up because of waivers, not that diaz sucked and Mac outplayed him and earned the spot. Then and only then did he say some decent things about Mac. What pisses me off the most is his questioning of why AV didn't play Mac more? He's a reporter, he has access and the ability to do that very thing and didn't, that makes him a hack who mails in his job. To sit there and wax rhetorical like he had no ability to ask these questions like he's a guy who works at fed ex posting on a message board/blog that is a fan site and he has no way to do those things is laughable at worst and insulting at worse. I have no respect for that guy at all, he slammed lindberg too and he was wrong about him as well. The guy doesn't know what to look for in a player unless it's the obvious things like BOyle and Girardi are truggling outside of that the guy is useless IMO.

York18


Thu May 12 2016 8:03 am EST

Do you guys remember the days before Cablevision took over? MSG Network Sportsdesk was my favorite post Rangers game show to watch with "Bullet" Bob Page! There was no gag-order, that guy was awesome. Even the Sam and JD broadcasts were more honest. This is an ownership that told Marv Albert how to do his job. Thank goodness for sites like this - the papers just push the team's agenda. I miss the old days.

DREW


Thu May 12 2016 7:50 am EST

Just look at the daily articles during the season. All local papers run basically the same article. Why? Because it is given to them by MSG public relations lackeys. It is a major problem when as a reporter you can't ask hard questions and report what needs reporting. Nothing changes at MSG because the media wide gag order from Dolan keeps them off the hot seat just enough. That ass hole has been the king in his castle for far too long. Just ask Blackhawks fans what it was like.

NYStranger


Thu May 12 2016 7:28 am EST

stevie: Sather used to appear in front of the press regularly (when he first came to NY), pontificating with such arrogance, spouting what he thought were mind-blowing phrases like 'high risk high reward'. He had a very good reputation when he came to NY because of all the success the Oilers had exeperienced with him in charge. The luster, however, was starting to fade, however, although most were yet to see it. The Oilers had done little since their last cup (in 89) although Sather defended that by continually claiming he was hand-cuffed by his small market budget, and his attempts at leading Team Canada entries all failed. Then came years 1 to 4 in NY where Sather's ineptitude resulted in the team becoming the laughing stock of NA pro sports. The criticism in Canada became loud and steady, even if the likes of Carp and his peers avoided the subject. Sather's ego is enormous - he couldn't handle the negative spotlight. His response? Hiding from the media in general. It started around 2004 and hasn't stopped. His job for life thing is really quite amusing and IMO shows how out of touch Dolans is. I maintain that's Sather single most impressive accomplishment since coming to NY - that amazing and mind-boggling contract. Everything else he's done pales in comparison.

RF4L


Thu May 12 2016 7:19 am EST

BTW, I posted on his blog a few years back, when the Rangers were floundering under Sather's horrible GMing, about him (and his NY media peers) never writing articles criticizing Sather (in Toronto, Sather would have been crucified about 3 years into his tenure). His answer: "Waste of time - he won't get fired anyways." Gutless without a doubt. Diddling Dolans runs his ship like a tyrant.

RF4L


Thu May 12 2016 7:16 am EST

york: I thought Carp's take on McI was adequate - he did say some good things about the kid. That said, he continues to underestimate McI. Up until part way this year, he'd constantly say that the kid was depth only at the NHL level, if that. Now he's saying a 6th d-man. What the hell is he basing that on? No doubt AV's refusal to play the guy.

RF4L


Thu May 12 2016 6:28 am EST

York the nyr would give him the lb treatment ala boyle.... if any beat writers ask the tough and real questions, they get the cold shoulder ....it's the bs pc world ....they can't handle the truth.....and talkerella will beat them up at the bus stop, and weknow would blow his whistle to whistle...while the gm and president hide from the press.....remember when the gm would be interviewed regularly on msg?....the last one was don maloney....sather tried it and ran away.....

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 5:18 am EST

Carp is a total tool, he wondered why AV didn't play Mac, look at the lanyard around your chest you fat pig that press pass is for more than getting you free hot dogs and donuts in the press room. He wondered why didn't he bother asking him, why didn't he have the balls to ask the hard questions and press (no pun) AV about the mess going on? At best he's irresponsible, at worse he's a hack, either way if I was his boss and I read that donut boy here would be looking for a new job. This guy said so many negative things about Mac before the season he's an ass clown..

York18


Thu May 12 2016 5:10 am EST

1) Carl Hagelin. This is a classic second-guess only because of how badly it backfired. I don’t know what else Glen Sather and Jeff Gorton could have done, what other options they may have considered, of what other player they might have jettisoned. But when they reached the decision to practically give away Hagelin, whose speed, in Alain Vigneault’s words, is “a weapon” the Rangers lost an awful lot, and now it’s even more evident. Not only is Hagelin fast — but he’s a darn good hockey player who plays even better in the post-season. When the Rangers dealt him for Emerson Etem and the pick that brought Ryan Gropp, a lot of us thought, hey, they traded a third-liner and penalty killer who was going to make too much money (and you all would have killed him for that). A lot of us also thought the Rangers got weaker that day. Not only was their speed greatly diminished, but their penalty kill stunk, their forecheck often disappeared … and their first-round opponent and divisional rival turned out to be the major beneficiary. His speed eliminated Washington in OT. Again. 2) And how about Mike Sullivan, who was John Tortorella’s assistant here, and who ran the power play when Tortorella made the infamous remark that Hagelin “stinks on the power play” using Hagelin on the power play in Game 6 last night, and Hagelin scoring a power-play goal? You can’t make this stuff up. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/11/penguins-capitals-in-review-from-a-rangers-perspective/#sthash.VYpV8Bje.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 5:09 am EST

7) ICYMI, Larry Brooks reported yesterday that the Rangers could have a contract finalized with Pavel Buchnevich by the weekend. From all I hear, Buchnevich is just about NHL ready and has a chance to be a pretty special player. That said, I think the expectations on Buchnevich from the fans are going to be off-the-charts ridiculous. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/11/penguins-capitals-in-review-from-a-rangers-perspective/#sthash.VYpV8Bje.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu May 12 2016 4:19 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/11/rangers-player-evaluations-dylan-mcilrath/#sthash.iC9KMrfv.dpbs

stevielegs


Wed May 11 2016 9:59 pm EST

Nashville / San Jose: anyone here have a horse in the race? In other words, does anyone here give a poop who wins?

mf


Wed May 11 2016 9:56 pm EST

Stevie: it may cost the Rangers a few of us fans too...

mf


Wed May 11 2016 9:35 pm EST

Oops. Meant OV

KIS


Wed May 11 2016 9:35 pm EST

I guess AV isn't the best Russian in the nhl.

KIS


Wed May 11 2016 9:23 pm EST

The nyr will as usual push hard to get stamkos forcing them to get rid of more high price players...who knew sully was better than his former boss? ... He will probably be gone by Christmas too when crybaby goes to mario...

stevielegs


Wed May 11 2016 9:23 pm EST

Stars and Lundqvist....destiny??

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 9:18 pm EST

Fishboy going after guys his vote of confidence coach wants is a recipe for failure.... And will cost the nyr 1-5 years according to who is the next coach....and how soon...next up what coaches and players are gone to pay for fishboy and weknow 's mistakes ....and the rest will get on line until he's gone....this guy is no Keenan ... And Neil smythe gorton fishboy will be lucky to keep his job ...

stevielegs


Wed May 11 2016 8:43 pm EST

Blues up 5-0 in Dallas.2nd period

rangerlou


Wed May 11 2016 8:01 pm EST

Blues up 3-0 end of 1st

rangerlou


Wed May 11 2016 6:39 pm EST

RF I'm going to start with I don't think AV is gone by Christmas, the simple fact that they gave him such a quick seal of approval and seem to be blaming his staff and players says his job is safe. Stamkos I just don't see any reason for him to come here, what is the allure? This is a franchise player the Rangers don't get those at the peak of their careers ever! The only two players that came here in their prime were Messier, and as crazy as this sounds Gretzky he wasn't in his prime but he was still one of the best in the league. When you think about who he was saddled with and the fact that he still scored 97 and 90 points his last season was not so great but look who he was playing with in those years and he still played great imagine if he had real guys to play with. I just don't see why Stamkos wants to come the NY, original 6 sure, so is Toronto, Gretz came here because his friends were all here, who does Stamkos have here?

York18


Wed May 11 2016 5:55 pm EST

The Stamkos to NY stuff is interesting. Where is it coming from? Pure speculation at this point obviously and I'd argue in part because this is what historically (well, recent history anyways) the Rangers do. Chase the shiny objects, regardless of what the current team looks like. Stamkos to me is yet another in a long line of such objects, albeit he's a lot shinier than most of his predecessors. So assuming the feeling many have is shared by the Rangers and they pursue Stamkos, why would he come to NY? Yes, I get it's a fabulous city and he can disappear and the team treats its athletes well and of course that's a strong allure. But other cities and teams have their allures, too. So look at the team - they are on a decline - all this retooling talk is just that: Talk. A retool is very possible but it won't come without a hit - right now the POs next year are questionable, especially with AV still at the helm. It's more than reasonable to speculate he'll be fired by Christmas and if we can envision that, obviously so can Stamkos. Turmoil is pending. Why, when he'll be courted by at least 1/2 the teams, if not 2/3s to 3/4s? I will be shocked if he's a Ranger next fall.

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 5:36 pm EST

MF Stamkos is not coming here, unless MSL does this franchise a huge favor and tells Stamkos he needs to come here and if he can lead this team to a cup he will be a legend would be the only reason he would come. I bet he goes to Toronto

York18


Wed May 11 2016 5:35 pm EST

You know what is making me shake my head Gorton was supposed to be this cap genius when he came here and knows how to work contracts that best suit the team blah blah blah. What I have seen is a guy who has handed out NMC and NTC paid high amounts and let guys walk, or made bad trades because he couldn't resign the guys he should have and then just made things worse by adding in more draft picks during those trades for said team to eat salary in order to bring said players in. I have to admit I'm a little worried about how things may pan out, usually their is a glut of UFA college players knocking on the Rangers door this time of year, but this year the door seems to not be being visited but rather players are now looking at teams like Edmonton because of McDavid and soon probably Toronto.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 5:02 pm EST

RF: "IF" we sign STAMKOS (a RHS) Stepan in the #2 slot fulfills your scenario... IMO, there should be a least 1 RHS on each line if possible...... OAN: Kane & Toews signed for $10.5 mill per, Kopitar $10 mill per, Stamkos is going to cost at least $10 mill per... IMO

mf


Wed May 11 2016 4:30 pm EST

mf: He's a good player, but at this point in his career, a 2nd line center and nothing more, despite what Gorther may think. And at $6,500,000, that's a lot of money. I think a team with a legitimate 1st line center might be interested because slotting in behind such an individual arguably means more production from Stepan and allows his 2 way skills to be better utilized.

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 4:24 pm EST

RF: re: Stepan's deal: "IMO" depending on who we bring in via trade & or UFA signings, AND, whether or not we can move 2 of the 3 existing Albatross contracts of Girardi, M.Staal, Nash.... If we can move 2, and depending on who we can acquire, holding on to Stepan may not be so terrible.... The guy is growing on me....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 3:17 pm EST

Bozak also has a cap friendly contract (2 more years at $4,200,000). I wanted Gorther to trade for him last summer - rumour was a 2nd rounder would do it - and then move Stepan for something greater than a 2nd rounder. Of course Gorther, being the skilled talent hound he is, didn't make that trade and gave Stepan a huge soon to be cap albatross contract. If Stepan isn't moved at the draft, Gorther will only compound the mistake he made last summer giving him that deal.

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 3:12 pm EST

Bozak a RHS is also strong at FO's....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 3:09 pm EST

Yep, Gorther's track record when it comes to play moves, be it UFA or trades, sure is less than stellar. Makes me shudder to think of what might be forthcoming!!!

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 2:57 pm EST

mf: The JVR, Kessel, Bozak line was a case of all 3 complimenting each other, IMO. Clearly of the 3 Kessel is the one with the most skill but Bozak is the hardest worker and most defensively aware. JVR brought the size and willingness to go to the net. Interestingly enough, both, when healthy, played well for the Leafs this year - JVR was the team's leading scorer when he got hurt and Bozak had a fabulous stretch after coming off injury, to the point where the organization apparently no longer considers him as trade fodder (which isn't to say he won't be moved, but he apparently was high up on their list of players to jettison because of his relationship with Kessel). FWIW, I'd take either on the Rangers (but no Kessel).

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 2:52 pm EST

mf: You cannot look at one isolated play (or plays) and come to a definitive conclusion about anybody's play overall. Hell, if so, I could conclude Rick Nash is a 60 goal scorer or Dan Boyle should play until his 50. You can defend Kessel all you want and/or pine for him all you want but 1) he's not coming to NY (whew) and 2) if he did, he'd become a whipping boy in matter of months.

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 2:30 pm EST

MF Yes I said since he put up numbers at the WJCs that was obvious what was also obvious was the types of points he put up which made him a serious let down at the WJCs because he was supposed to go there and dominate with scoring goals and he didn't, he didn't come close. This kid has no heart, no work ethic, and doesn't care about much it seems. I think a good sign of his game stands at when he came to the OHL he could have played KHL hockey, his father was a coach in the town and they decided he would be better off in the OHL, I wonder why? The real good Russians are staying and coming later because they can hang in the KHL Yak I don't think could which is why he came over to NA.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 2:26 pm EST

MF Do you know what Yak is supposed to be? He's supposed to be a goal scorer, he had three goals in a tournament he was supposed to dominate at not get a bunch of secondary assists. As for the fourth line again WHY? He has the worst Corsi numbers on a bad team do you not understand that? Do you not understand that the other team has 80% puck possession whenever he is on the ice and every single player that plays with him drops a drastic 10 corsi points when on the ice with him and returns back to the 10 when removed from playing with him? The fourth line is about momentum, hitting, gettng energy not getting your ass handed to you. You start this kid on the fourth line there is no where to go but down to the AHL. You're nuts you want the guy with horrible Corsi numbers on the PK now? Why the rangers PK isn't bad enough, what are you tanking for the first overall pick now? As for their lineup I don't care what you saw on paper have you watched this kid play I have a lot and he SUCKS. Again I will ask you if this kid was a fifth round pick named Jerkov would you be so interested in trading for him looking at his stats since that seems like it is all you do, you don't actually watch the kid play.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 2:14 pm EST

Hagelin scored the big nail in the coffin goal for us against the PigPens LAST year. Great move to salary dump him, Lose Boyle, Stallman to keep our perennial playoff powerhouse, Nash and sign D. BOYLE. SHEESH. makes me wish I was a fan of another team...

NYStranger


Wed May 11 2016 1:49 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/05/11/nhlers-nightmare-dad-on-trial-for-plotting-to-kill-mom/

mf


Wed May 11 2016 1:30 pm EST

So Hags scores a goal and assists on the winning goal. WOW!!! And we traded Emerson Etem Up for him. Brilliant i say. Just Brilliant!!!

rangerlou


Wed May 11 2016 1:03 pm EST

AND.... because of SKJEI's skating ability, I am very interested in monitoring the likely hood and costs of SHATTENKIRK for the Right Side..... Obviously Nash & Girardi's contracts are going to be cumbersome to move (as will Staals) but thinking aloud, McDonagh / Staal / Skjei down the LHSide & Klein / Shattenkirk/ McIlrath down the RHSide is very appealing IMO..... Shattenkirk VS Yandle: probably less expensive to sign, RHS vs LHS, and 2.25 years younger

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:57 pm EST

AND, I would not give up Girardi & or Staal for scrubs or non players... However, if we are looking at their 1st round pick (4th overall) and or an Eberle, RNH, or Hall (who I can not see them parting with, same thing with Draisaitl) we may need to eat some crow & or salary in return, like accepting Ference or Fayne probably the former, or Donnes La Lune POILLIOT who they threw a $4mill per yr contract at.... With SKJEI'S debut this season I am very comfortable (as I think most here are) bringing him up this coming season.... and his skating ability may soften the blow of not resigning Yandle... I don't want to get into that right now..... As for knowing about YAK, I combed through their line up many a time, so I'm familiar....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:43 pm EST

Yak needs to learn the Defensive side of the game.... With his speed I'd certainly put him on the PK, and, perhaps he can be molded into the game Hagelin plays except with much better hands.....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:41 pm EST

Y18, I am the one who needed to re-read, you did say "since" the WJC, so, excuse me...... You can call BS anyway.....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:40 pm EST

I did not say that. I said that I'd start him on the 4th line (and I don't care that he's paid $2.5mill so let's get past that) and let him earn his way up the ladder... A kid in his position knows he has to perform to save and preserve his future.....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:37 pm EST

York18, just might be time to check TD's source: NAIL YAKUPOV: WJC…TOTAL… WJC… 14gp…3GOALS…14ASSISTS… 17POINTS…+6…6pims…2ppg’S… 0 shg’s.. 0 gwg’s … 39 shots … 1.21 points per game….. Isn’t this about the time you call, “Bullshit” ;-) ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7209

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:36 pm EST

MF Yak has to pass waivers here is the thing first if you trade one of those guys for a guy you're going to send to Hartford you look like a real loser. These guys aren't scrubs you're trying to move here these are players, Yak is a scrub, you get something of worth for those types of guys you don't give them away for free. If that is the case keep them and send them down what's the difference. I have zero interest in Yak another russian winger the best in russian wing in the world can't win I certainly don't want one of the NHLs worst coming.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 12:31 pm EST

Y18: re-reading my post, if Yak in return helps me move a Nash, Girardi, & or M. Staal for that matter, I take him... I'd certainly give a 22 year old a fresh slate to prove himself.... What's the worst that can happen, we send him to Hartford? We sent Redden there, we can send Yak there too.....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:29 pm EST

MF the problem here is you're enthralled with the fact that he was a first overall pick which is meaningless. If this kid was picked in the fifth round and was playing like this you would want no part of him and wouldn't even know his name, He was drafted first with a lot of fan fare but like TD since the WJCs he has disappeared, the second the talent level went up he has been a ghost and hasn't been seen since.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 12:27 pm EST

MF what is Yak going to do on the fourth line, check? I don't think so, turn the puck over? Yup, he has the worst corsi numbers on the oilers and if that isn't bad enough anyone who is with him takes a 10 yes TEN point drop when playing with him and when removed from playing with him increases by ten ponits that's huge. He has been paired with everyone and everyone who plays with him suffers. He has horrible passing, he turns the puck over, and worst of all when he is on the ice 80% is spent with the other team controlling the puck. You essentially kill your fourth line of what they are supposed to do which is help get momentum.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 12:26 pm EST

TD: I didn't mean it to sound like I thought HAGS was the identity of the team. What I was trying to say is that he was really the poster boy for what the Rangers were. His play (and yes the play of others) epitomized the Rangers identity. Much more so then a guy like NASH. So when you lose a guy like that it impacts who and what your team is. And when you replace balls to the wall speed with slow, plodding players because you think you need to get bigger you just end up losing the one advantage you had. Poor management decisions all the way around.

Vic


Wed May 11 2016 12:23 pm EST

TD I think they should trade Stepan or Brassard don't really care which I'm not married to either to be honest. Nash I think will play out his contract here in what will amount to be buying time to retool. He will be kept until Buch comes over and can replace him which means he could be traded at the deadline, or next summer at the earliest. I don't think Kreider is going anywhere. As for Stamkos the only reason he comes here is if MSL sings the praises of coming here, he respects MSL a lot and maybe would follow the endorsement of him saying to play here other than that don't see how, or why. The other deals too much fantasy involved for my taste so I'll pass on the rest. Holtby is money in the regular season, but he doesn't steal a series for you in the playoffs like the elite goalies do. He's money till the playoffs. Now the pens will get spanked by the lightning, first it was the caps, like I said you will see the pens in the cup finals, I'll have a plate of crow ready for ya. OV is Russian and like all of them that play wing don't utilize their linemates but play by themselves. Backstrom disappeared but he's got that MO now and who's doing to trade for him?..................FRED I think there is just always an excuse to why Trotz is an underachiver come playoffs I want no part of that guy.....................TD I agree the culture as a whole took a hit by the time the cup finals ended, it started with Cally then became Strallman, Boyle, Hags a huge part of the core and identity of the team left and it has showed................MF JACKOV is a waste of time he's the worst player on that team why the hell would you want this guy? I don't care where he was drafted he's a russian with an attitude who can't play the game and is looking like a real bust. Getting Yakmeov is not the same one guy is a leader the other guy is a selfish player who drags his team down, not a role model for a young player coming here...................

York18


Wed May 11 2016 12:21 pm EST

Hospo: Here in NY we have a very large Russian population which ""may"" help lure him, or help any Russian prospects and acquisitions make the adjustment/s to North America... The familiarity fills many a void when you're away from home..... jmon...... I'd certainly take a look at him, but what's it gonna cost us?

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:18 pm EST

TD: I wouldn't totally quit on a 22 yr old kid who was a top pick just yet... AND, if we can get him as an induction to take something we want to move in return ie: Girardi or Nash, sign me up...... "IF" Edmonton holds on to their 4th pick, even if they don't, YAK is probably on to new pastures..... Even at $2.5mill, I'd put him on the 4th line to start... Let him earn his way up the ladder......

mf


Wed May 11 2016 12:12 pm EST

MF - From what I remember in the NHL, intensity wasm't Radulov's problem..it was more discipline and being selfish....Can't honestly say if he's changed or not..But his talent is worth looking into....A merit based short term make-good contract would be best..but somebody (COLORADO?) will probably throw a long term deal at him..

Hospo


Wed May 11 2016 12:04 pm EST

mf - YAKUPOV aid a bust. If he was gonna be anything other than a bust, we would have seen it at some point in his career. He's never shown why he was drafted first overall. And that goes back to the world juniors, when he had basically a meaningless tourney. Guys who started out slow in the NHL and came in like STAMKOS and now DROUIN at least showed promise during those tourneys. Yak hasn't done squat. If the Oil want to unload him for a pair of late picks, I'd say ok. But no way if give anything of value for that guy. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on the waiver wire at some point next year.

tdchi


Wed May 11 2016 12:03 pm EST

mf - oh good we need the cap space that sieve is occupying. Just kidding guys (ducks as tomatoes come flying).

DREW


Wed May 11 2016 12:00 pm EST

Drew, moving Hank to the Isles is more likely to occur.... :-)

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:59 am EST

RADULOV: Which Ranger is going to keep this guy accountable to leave it all on the ice for an entire season? AV? McDonagh? ... from The Hockey News: Flaws: Lacks intensity on a consistent basis and is occasionally prone to hiccups in his own end. Doesn't have enough desire to be the best he can be at the highest level (NHL). Also lacks discipline, on and off the ice. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4759 ........ I'm sure he'll love Brighton Beach, ay SLegs?

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:58 am EST

MF - No to Tavares? But wouldn't that be a sweet scenario?

DREW


Wed May 11 2016 11:55 am EST

RUSLAN FEDOTENKO: Heres a thought, why not bring him back in an assistant coaching role to assist any Russian prospects make the transition? Obviously he has history with the NYR Organization....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2065

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:54 am EST

VALATENKO - 4 teams in 5 years???? Means one of three things...He's in it for the money only......other teams really want him...or his team can't wait to get rid of him..........Let him stay in Russia........SIGN RADULOV !!!!!! :)

Hospo


Wed May 11 2016 11:51 am EST

MF - Yeah, it was a BFD.....becasuse signing Stool showed where managements head was in player evaluation---which was basically up their ass...The guy had been in a serious decline for three years and we signed not only signed him but displaced Dom Moore...Moves like that happend all freaking year..so, yeah, kinda a big deal..Ditto with the ETEM trade

Hospo


Wed May 11 2016 11:49 am EST

NO

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:44 am EST

Do you think it is at all possible that we make smart moves, clear some space and sign John Tavares in the summer of 2018, win the cup....and WIOSA and I say nothing to our Islander friends and just enjoy the parade?

DREW


Wed May 11 2016 11:36 am EST

Rhet: acquiring NAIL YAKUPOV in trade accomplishes the same purpose....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:30 am EST

It's been speculated and/or wondered if the Rangers would bring in a fellow Russian to help Pavel Buchnevich adjust to North America. Yesterday, Elliotte Friedman threw out the name of former Rangers prospect Pavel Valentenko. Valentenko's contract in Russia expired on 4/30 and was not renewed. (Championat) Valenteko, 28, was listed last summer as Group 3 UFA and may not be property of the Rangers anymore. He has reportedly rejected two offers to stay in the KHL and may want to return to North America. (Sportbo, via reddit) Valentko left the organization in 2012 to return to Russia and has played there ever since. Since going to the KHL, Valentko has played for Omsk (2012-13 and 2015-16), Torpedo (2013-2015), Yugra (2014-15) and Spartak (2015-16). In 180 KHL games, Buchnevich has 11 goals, 28 assists, 198 PIM and a minus 27 rating. Valenteko was the captain when he played for Torpedo.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 11 2016 11:26 am EST

Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN...... #NYR 2015 7th-rd pick goalie Adam Huska (19 2moro) of Green Bay Gamblers named USHL goalie of year. Tier 1 record 1.82 GAA. Attending UCONN

Rhet0ric


Wed May 11 2016 11:25 am EST

RF73: Makes one think that the further the Penns go this season, the higher the likelihood that franchise gets sold, and soon.....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:21 am EST

Hospo: Stool was a reclamation project just as Mike Richards was for Washington... I lauded the move and would rather try & fail than not try at all, eventually you get it right.... So, we tried & cut bait on him, perhaps we should have benched him more or traded him sooner, BFD...... FTR: I see NAIL YAKUPOV as an upcoming reclamation project "possibility" in any potential trade with the Oilers...... On a side note: If Sather has ANY pull or clout with that organization, the time is NOW to get into the War-room and start figuring out potential trades with that franchise..... jmho snatcherally......

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:17 am EST

Kessel's contract / cap hit won't mean diddly squat if they go on (God forbid) to win the Cup. Just like I posted before...this run will potentially increase the value of the team for sale to $850MM / $900MM or more the farther along they go.

RF73


Wed May 11 2016 11:13 am EST

RF: in the spirit of, "did hags make Hayes play to a higher level last year?" as recently discussed by WIOSA & Y18: In your opinion, DID (or maybe we need to ask Mrs. RF, a true trained eye on anything Leafs (:->), not sure why we need to settle for Vous? :-)) ... Kessel make Bozak & JVR better players or did they make Kessel a better player when teamed up with them?

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:09 am EST

It's amazing how much coaching, player deployment and leadership can mean to a team....Unfortunately, the Rangers had ZERO of ALL THREE last year thanks to AV....OTOH, the Pens GM and SULLIVAN deserve the highest kudos for putting together a total 4 line 3 D-pair team where e verybody does their role every night......It sucks that it's the penguins but what a dman good job.....Bonino, Rust, Sheary, CUllen, Fehr, the D-men..the trade for a floundering hagelin.....Wallbangers would have pissed all over these moves/call ups, and maybe rightfully so...instead of applauding signings/trades for Etem, Stool, Stalberg (worked out fine),....but the Pens management, coaching staff, and ON-ICE leaders (again, Rangers have NONE) made it work.....I think the Pens will end up losineng to the BOLTs , which is another team that has come together to a total team, but has more talent .and the Goalie thing will finally rear it's head for Pittsburg....

Hospo


Wed May 11 2016 11:07 am EST

RF: Kessel set up the winning goal last night... He got the puck to Hags with a nice feed, Holtby made a real nice save with an extended led, and Bonino smacked in the "ugly goal" from right in front of the crease...... Bottom line: Kessel delivered, "BIG TIME CLUTCH!"

mf


Wed May 11 2016 11:07 am EST

Hate to say it but right now the Pen's are going to be tough to beat....I don't see Tampa as being up to the task.

MelvilleFred


Wed May 11 2016 11:03 am EST

TD: Nash should have been traded last season because he had a career year... Sell high, we did not need the "top tick" in trade value, had he continue his good performance of last year with another team "this year," good for him and the new team... Another blown opportunity, and not a situation of hindsight being 20/20 because regardless of whether folks liked the trade that brought him here or not, it was time to trade him elsewhere.... OAN: continuing our youth movement, which in my opinion is more than fine, with Boyle gone & McIlrath in we shave 15 years of age out of the avg., and replacing Nash with anything younger contributes also..... Obviously, we need to allow the playoffs to play out before we go full-bore into "wish-list, fantasy-land, rubics-cube" mode.....

mf


Wed May 11 2016 10:58 am EST

The NYR could also keep Nash for one more season(depending on the offseason moves made) and then leave him exposed in the Expansion Draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 11 2016 10:57 am EST

mf: Your fascination with Kessell is misguided, with all due respect. Trust me - this guy would become enemy number 1 in NY within 6 months of donning a Ranger uniform. He's hidden away somewhat in Pittsburgh because of Crosby, Malkin and Letang (who is a very good d-man, albeit a dirty one).

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 10:55 am EST

TD: Re the Bolts spanking the Pens...didn't you say the same thing prior to start of the Cap/Pens series?! ;^)

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 10:54 am EST

Kessel is also 3yrs 3months younger, a RHS, and played a full season... He's on their so called 3rd line because Shitzburg has Malkin & Crybaby on the roster

mf


Wed May 11 2016 10:52 am EST

mf: In 2 years, Nash's contract is off the books...Kessel with have 4 more after that. YIKES!

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 10:49 am EST

York - I don't think trading NASH was even a passing thought last summer, much less to facilitate the signing of HAGELIN...and that is a serious indictment of GORTON. I would have traded Nash for a fifth rounder if we could have kept Hags...though I'm still not convinced he's worth the money the Pens are giving him...but I can say this: He's worth a lot more than Nash...If this organization doesn't yet realize they need to ditch this pile of rat dung, then they all need to be fired. Trade him to San Jose so he can be with his butt-buddy THORNTON. Trade him anywhere. For anything.

tdchi


Wed May 11 2016 10:43 am EST

Vic - I think it's overstating to say HAGELIN was the identity of the team. But if you said he was the last vestige of the collective identity, I'd wholeheartedly agree. I know a lot of us didn't really give a crap about CALLAHAN leaving, but really he was the guy who set the tone for so long on the Rangers...and while I don't think he's worth the $6 million he got, the procession of players who followed him out the door...Boyle, Stralman, and yes, Hagelin...certainly played that same type of balls-to-the-wall game that made the Rangers so tough for so long.

tdchi


Wed May 11 2016 10:41 am EST

Thanks Drew...WIOSA what you state would make sense. YORK....It just seemed to me that Trotz was stuck in Hockey Hell in Nashville and for the most part got the most out of what he had. This year he had the Caps out front and OV playing his best Hockey ever......unfortunate that he didn't have the Goaltender to win. Anybody else think that Backstrom was not very good vs. the Pens or was it just me?

MelvilleFred


Wed May 11 2016 10:33 am EST

Regarding the goddam asswipe Capitals...the ONLY solace I take in them getting ushered out is that smirking hack of a goaltender was the prime reason they didn't go anywhere. And now maybe people will start listening to me when I say HOLTBY is a worthless pile of rotting fecal matter and not an 'elite goaltender' as the moron pundits keep insisting. ' The first goal the Pens scored was a GREAT example of why that POS will never have a cup. He's an amateur and I can't wait to watch the Caps go through the pains to realize this...an upgrade over VARLAMOV, but the guy they should have kept was NEUVIRTH...as for the rest of the Caps...OV...man, the guy needs to take it down a notch and realize he's got teammates...Don't think he gets traded...but I wouldn't be surprised if BACKSTROM is moved...I for one can't wait for the Pens to get spanked by the Lightning. Gonna enjoy this one.

tdchi


Wed May 11 2016 10:26 am EST

re: STAMKOS - I've already been on record saying I don't think this team should go after UFAs...but he is an exception. I bet he's going to take a 7-year $70 million deal, and that alarms the living piss out of me...but this is a 26-year-old sniper with almost 50 games of playoff experience...this is a guy you build a team around...not sure what the hook would be to get him here...but landing him would certainly start a domino effect of moves that would make this team stronger in the end...I could see a scenario where Stamkos is signed, McDONAGH is traded and then Stamkos is given the C. Under that scenario, STEPAN, who has a NMC clause that goes into effect next year, would probably be traded too...And we end up with Stamkos, BRASSARD and LINDBERG down the middle...if the two Wisconsin boys are moved --and mind you, I don't want either traded --I could see the Rangers targeting a player like Jake TROUBA, who is an RFA...maybe McD for him and LEMIEUX or a first rounder...creates a space for GRAVES on the left and allows SKJEI to step into either the second or first position on the left...Trouba would mean either KLEIN or McILRATH gets moved...again all fantasy...but that's all we got left right now other than to talk about the shitbag Penguins.

tdchi


Wed May 11 2016 10:16 am EST

York - Very true, re: the GABORIK trade. Though I suspect NASH would have been traded regardless of whether the sucker Rangers bit or not. And you're right: I don't think anyone among the Rangers' brass thought DUBINSKY was worth $5.8 million in a multi-year deal. But, IMO, he's exactly the type of player this team could use...regarding my fantasy deals...I know its all wishful thinking, but those are the type of players I think this team needs...less prancing pansies up front and more hard-hitting forwards...as bad as the D was last year, part of the blame --actually, a very large part of the blame --rests with the forwards being utterly unwilling to play even a lick of defense. When people are calling Rick Nash the best defensive forward on the team, that says more about the other 11 forwards than it does him...Not sure what the hell direction this team goes...I suspect not a very good one...but I would move both of the Blue Jackets losers to start...it is absolutely imperative that Rick Nash gets moved. His contract and style of play make him the biggest obstacle this team faces in future success. But when the dust settles, I would be willing to bet both he and BRASSARD are here and players like STEPAN and KREIDER are elsewhere...

tdchi


Wed May 11 2016 10:06 am EST

In 2 or 3 years Kessel's contract will sting $1mill per less and adjusted for inflation & Cap increase than Nash's contract.... That's a damn good awkward sentence.... Damn good.. :-)

mf


Wed May 11 2016 8:43 am EST

Fred, the West is a different animal. They are a physical - finish your checks first - league. The Ducks were trying to make a speed team..it just wasnt working. They didnt have enough parts to make that work. They did ok with their trade with Pittsburgh. They just didnt do what they shouldve.

WIOSA


Wed May 11 2016 8:35 am EST

FRED Why do the Rangers or you want Trotz he has never won and he continues that trend in Washington after winning the pres trophy. He's like AV only worse never even been to the cup finals. He made a career of being just good enough to keep his job.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 8:23 am EST

Melville - Mike Green? the Defensemen? He went to Detroit, I believe.

DREW


Wed May 11 2016 8:23 am EST

Vic.....I have to agree on Hags.....he played like a Man Possessed last night and just lifted that whole Team. You do have to wonder what happened in Anaheim.

MelvilleFred


Wed May 11 2016 8:21 am EST

Will be interesting to see what moves if any the Caps make based on not making it to the Conference Final....my hope is they fire Trotz (obviously not happening) so that we can sign him. What happened to Green? Did he finally retire or was he injured yet again?

MelvilleFred


Wed May 11 2016 8:19 am EST

Vic, didnt realize the argument was raised here at the trade, but it makes sense....RF4L, not really gushing over Kessel as much as I am over Hagelin. If I hadnt seen it with my own eyes...hmmmm. Of course the coach is there as well.

WIOSA


Wed May 11 2016 7:53 am EST

Something to keep in mind with Kessel as we gush over his exploits lately - he's got 6 more years AFTER this year at $6,800,000 (Pittsburgh hit). He still does drive bys and avoids physical confrontation like the plague - how bad will that contract be in 2 or 3 years...

RF4L


Wed May 11 2016 7:07 am EST

YORK/WIOSA: That argument about HAGS making HAYES, and anyone he played with better, was made here when the trade went down. It is impossible to dog it when a guy on your line is playing balls to the wall at "Ludicrous Speed". It is infectious. The way HAGS plays WAS the Rangers identity. Losing one player doesn't account for the drop off we saw from this team......but it hurt a lot in many ways.

Vic


Wed May 11 2016 6:53 am EST

WIOSA Kessel drives coaches crazy because he has all the talent in the world, the guy skates like the wind when he feels like it. The problem is a lot of the times he doesn't feel like it. He was ordering pizza to the locker room which pissed one coach off to no end. I didn't want him here because I felt like he would get worse coming here especially under AV. I don't think he would have done well here no matter what so don't feel like you were wrong. He needs the right coach and the right line for him to go. He doesn't listen to a coach who just yells, and he doesn't listen to a hands off coach, he needs a Sully who like I said has been masterful with the pens team. Hags just makes guys skate because if you don't you look like you're just standing there when he's on the ice. I think you are 100% right between hags and MSL Hayes had no choice but to work and to skate otherwise he'd look like he did this year and he would have gotten ridden by MSL which he didnt want. Hags was what made Hayes look good more than Hayes being that good he has no urgency to his game, nor does his attitude reflect that of someone who even cares. Hags definitely made him look good.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 6:40 am EST

Yorkie,,Im just guessing, but I see the corrolation. I am not a Pens fan by any stretch of the imagination - I truly cannot stand Crosby (rapidly become a Letang hater as well, never realized he was this dirty)..that said, I did watch them after they got Kessel. Mostly because I was a big detractor on Kessel I battled on another site against getting the guy here. When he went to the Pens I watched (wasnt Sully) the coach try and get him working first with Crosby - Pffft, then with Malkin - pfffft, and then on the third line. I was glad, I could say - okay I was right fighting against this guy. I swear Yorkie, the guy was out of step AND he was plodding. Never being Leaf fan, I couldnt understand the appeal for some Ranger fans. Well, a few weeks later the Ducks and Pens make the deal, there's a new coach, and BAM - the seccond line is flying and scoring (it was Malkin, Kessel and Hags) Kessel is scoring, and with the pressure off the first line of Crosby... the Pens are scoring. I watched them when they played us, and Kessel was a new man. He was not plodding, he was flying. Know who was plodding? HAYES! Hayes is talented, he can play, he's lazy and plodding, just the way I described Kessel when he was with the Leafs. I put two and two together and guessed it was the little Swedish cog that was pushing Hayes as well.

WIOSA


Wed May 11 2016 6:27 am EST

I'd trade Nash away to keep Hags if it could have been done. WIOSA you know I never considered it was Hags that made Hayes play a lot better. He had hags to spring for those long stretch passes, hags as a role model to skate harder to keep up. The work ethic took a complete 180 from last year with Hayes and Hags probably had a lot to do with that.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 6:25 am EST

Pens in the finals, took one more game than I expected but game sevens are always better for ratings with the NHL look how many there are this year the last 3 out of 4 series are games sevens. Kessel looks born again under Sully he needed a coach that knows when to whip him and when to massage his shoulders and Sully seems to be damn good at knowing when to do which with his guys. I'm actually very impressed with what he has done with a kid goalie and mostly AHL defense they are in the finals. Crosby speaks highly of sully saying he's the best coach he's worked with. Hags what can you say good on him back to the conference finals again the guy is a worker and like it has been said many times you watch him on the ice and you can't take a shift off because he never does which I think is what pushes Kessel. Sully had him when he was here and knows what he has and how to use him to his strengths. I believe this is what Torts and Sully had in mind when they were here in bringing Hags along sully got a second kick at the bucket with him. Gorton goes down as a complere poozer on this trade talk about losing big time in that trade for Etem unbelievable how bad Gorton is at trading, he hasn't won a trade yet in any of his deals Staal deal, Talbot, Hags, Yandle, geez this is just not good. Pens beat the Lightning in 6 and go to the cup finals.

York18


Wed May 11 2016 6:21 am EST

Stevie...we can only hope. Sometimes the translation from AHL to NHL gets lost. Dont know exactly where Jensen is playing - you know, Hags=Etem=Jensen, but he apparently is doing pretty good too. Agree with you about role players. I know a LOT of hockey fans, mavens really, who just do not understand role players. Or how a player like Hags is a third liner here, but a second liner on the Pens and well worth the money he was paid there....PUCK Yes, actually Hagelin was like the cog that got Kessel working. He apparently had little to know chemistry with Crosby or Malkin. Hagelin seemed to get him working..he also, like he did here with Hayes...got Kessel moving faster, you just hustle more to keep up. That said I understood why he was traded, it had nothing to do with Hagelin's ability or the coachs' appreciation of him. I think AV did appreciae Hags. Something had to give.

WIOSA


Wed May 11 2016 6:04 am EST

He may have been a 3rd liner here, but he was the best player on the ice last night IMO. Hell, he makes Kessell better since he arrived he gave the Pens a gear they never had. His wheels are possibly the best I've ever seen. Funny, Kreider is a beast north/ south, but as for pure skating, i think Hags' skating is some of the best I've ever seen. Good for him- but I still despise the Pens.

puckyou


Wed May 11 2016 5:08 am EST

Hagelin just another example of the coach and gm not understanding role players , and the bs concept of the cap . But somehow the pigpens always have cap space and the nyr don't .... More proof of it being a brain rust ...can't wait for groop and Jansen to get here and make it all better in the future since the present got screwed.

stevielegs


Tue May 10 2016 10:40 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/canadiens-bruins-to-play-pre-season-game-in-quebec-city/

mf


Tue May 10 2016 10:35 pm EST

I want Haggy back, reality is, he probably doesnt want to come back. That line he's on has been on fire. He's playing on the second line, a lot of minutes, first PK unit and toinght he was even in on the PP...and scored a goal.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 10:33 pm EST

There is something really cruel about the hockey gods letting you come back from a 3 goal deficit, to lose in OT.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 10:32 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/oilers-gm-peter-chiarelli-says-calls-already-coming-for-fourth-overall-pick/

mf


Tue May 10 2016 10:31 pm EST

Bonino with the GW... Hageling with the primary assist, Kessel with the secondary assist.... Those damn pizza's are wreaking havoc on Kessel.... Does Nash eat Pizza?

mf


Tue May 10 2016 10:29 pm EST

@#$%!!

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 10:23 pm EST

Hagelin for Etem....what a fuc$in joke. This team is run by a bunch of overpaid schmucks. Maybe I should go pursue my law degree and apply for the position. Should be open soon enough.

NCRanger


Tue May 10 2016 10:18 pm EST

Hagelin in on the OT winner....should have kept him, without a doubt. Another poor decision by Gorther....

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 9:47 pm EST

They BETTER not get a shortie

rngrsans


Tue May 10 2016 9:44 pm EST

Hey PP again....

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:44 pm EST

LOLOL... I hope the Caps score with that undisciplined idiot in the penalty box.

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 9:44 pm EST

Dirty SOB!!!!

rngrsans


Tue May 10 2016 9:43 pm EST

Letang needs to go!

rngrsans


Tue May 10 2016 9:41 pm EST

You know the next penalty is on Washington for sneezing

rngrsans


Tue May 10 2016 9:39 pm EST

3 penalties in a row for Pittsburgh with puck over the glass. 6 mimnutes of PP, 3.5 of it 5 on 3.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:37 pm EST

Woo hooo...tie game.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:29 pm EST

Kis me too, except this year they just were terrible. We really didnt compete.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:29 pm EST

Oh boy 5-3. Here goes OV

KIS


Tue May 10 2016 9:29 pm EST

Man I wish the Rangers were still in it. I love the competition. As much as I can hate the ride when they lose I love seeing the Rangers involved

KIS


Tue May 10 2016 9:24 pm EST

Plenty of game left

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:23 pm EST

RF4L, no, the man is a 'field general' at least that's what they call in in the NFL, dont know what they refer to it as in the NHL. He takes the team on his back.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:22 pm EST

Sidney was on the ice for that goal...I love it.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:21 pm EST

OV trying too hard - if that makes sense....

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 9:20 pm EST

Woo Hoo 1 more, common guys you can dooooo it. Here is where the Pens start playing 'not to lose' we know that drill well.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:19 pm EST

Tampa/Pittsburgh next round. Might be a decent series (relatively speaking - after all this is the NHL); both can skate, aren't all about trying to pound players to oblivion and have some high end skill. Of course, it may being a boring check-fest, too.

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 9:17 pm EST

I really dont like Crosby, but you can add LeTang to that list as well.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 9:14 pm EST

OMG Kessel is such a SUCK...

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 9:10 pm EST

Its all Pens:( I hate Crosby

rngrsans


Tue May 10 2016 9:08 pm EST

Mmm...what's with this Capital team that chokes? Don't get it...lots of changes, including several coaches and a GM, yet here we go again. What's the key consist factor throughout? OV. Man, does this guy want to win this year, more than I've ever recalled previously. But is it too late to be that dedicated/committed? Interesting to how all this plays out...

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 9:06 pm EST

Looks like Buchnevich will be signed by the weekend according to Larry Brooks.

tlats


Tue May 10 2016 8:44 pm EST

TJ with the goal on the PP. I point out, that Hagelin, as in Carl Hagelin, has 6 shots on goal, and actually got a PP goal. Who puts Hagelin on the PP? I didnt like Torts but I did agree with him on that.

WIOSA


Tue May 10 2016 8:24 pm EST

NHL fix is in

stevielegs


Tue May 10 2016 5:47 pm EST

Hospo, The current Audio Video (aka: AV) situation has run it's course.. This is New York City, AV, "welcome, thanks for your efforts, now get the ph_ck put of here!" Hospi-table bunch, ain't we? ....................

mf


Tue May 10 2016 5:12 pm EST

I need cliff notes...what is the argument du jour ?

stevielegs


Tue May 10 2016 4:42 pm EST

MF - Yes, that is true...and part of my point is, maybe we don't have to in order to still have a team that WE LIKE (hell players like Step, Brass, Nash, Staal, Girard got at most ONE VOTE in the Hospo Poll) and can still win...Or maybe I'm just trying to make the best of a crappy AV situation..

Hospo


Tue May 10 2016 3:48 pm EST

In other words, we're not getting the team playing more in line with the collective sentiment here as long as coach whistle to whistle Does NOT change his tune.... jmnsho

mf


Tue May 10 2016 3:31 pm EST

Viva La Veenyo, somewhere else!

mf


Tue May 10 2016 3:08 pm EST

I like tough, nasty players and teams and so miss the way the game used to be played,.....and I see the desires of many on here for a TOUGH team or a NASTY team....I would love to watch that,........But, let's hold on for a second...Look who's in the final...The Isles had their tough 4th line but they got romped....The rest? Tampa, San Jose, Pitt, Dallas, Nashville, Wash and St. Louis (outside of REAVES) are far from what I call tough and nasty..a few more physical than the others (Bklues, Caps).but, in general, as a team they are all capable of playing hard, physical, take no quarter hockey.....That is the way you need to go....Guys like Mcilrath, Shaw, Komorov (all players I love) and others can definitely fit in but you don't want to swing to far to the other side of the pendulum....It's all about the right mix of skill speed, DESIRE, physicality, youth/vets and and putting it together into ONE--This is where AV totally failed..It's where Management needs to set the table with strong player evaluation and trades/FA signings, two areas where they also failed last year

Hospo


Tue May 10 2016 12:39 pm EST

Okposo for $6M? No thanks.....we have enough bad contracts. Give me Martin at a decent cap hit and i will take it. Guy hits everything that moves.....who cares if he looks like Cro magnon man.....

Fotiu22


Tue May 10 2016 12:20 pm EST

TD again playing fantasy first why would the Leafs trade for Nash when they can have Stamkos for pure cash? Let's be honest who would you rather have Nash or Stamkos? It's nice to dream that other teams are just stupid, but rarely is that the case. Why would the habs want to do that deal seriously how does it benefit them in any way? I'm rather certain the Hawks are not trading for Hayes 1) because he's not worth what you are saying and 2) because I'm rather certain the Hawks are not going to trade for a guy who didn't want to play for them in the first place and walked away from them. As for that line up it's a more like captial D as in DREAMING. But it is the off season what else is there to do?

York18


Tue May 10 2016 12:14 pm EST

TD: I guarantee you that the Leafs have ZERO interest in Nash, unless the Rangers are salary dumping then they might take him and the Rangers first in 2017.

RF4L


Tue May 10 2016 11:58 am EST

My offseason Ranger moves would follow this path: First and foremost, TRADE RICK NASH. Don't care what we get for him, but I would try the Leafs first. I'd ask for KAMAROV and the Pens' first rounder...Next up, talk to the Hawks about Andrew SHAW and Ryan HARTMAN. Maybe deal them HAYES and a pick...I'd talk to the Habs too about PACIORETTY and Stefan MATTEAU...See if we could work out a deal that would swap BRASSARD and change for the pair...With the cap space you open up by moving Brass and Nash, I'd look into signing STAMKOS...end up with Miller-Step-Krieder, Zucc-Stamkos-Patch, Fast-Shaw-Kamarov, Hartman-Lindberg-Matteau, McD-Klein, Staal-Girard, Skjei-McIlrath. That's a NASTY team. Not sure if it'd fit under the cap and you'd have to start BUCHNEVICH in Hartford. But that lineup would be NAST-Y with a capital N.

tdchi


Tue May 10 2016 11:57 am EST

HIP I wouldn't hold my breadth on that, or you'll find yourself to be the blue faced guy in the corned passed out as long as AV is the coach.

York18


Tue May 10 2016 11:56 am EST

TD I understand where you're coming from but logic states the Rangers did not want to pay Dubinsky which is why he was moved, same reason Cally was moved. The logic states they would rather pay Nash who they thought was high end talent money than pay Dubinsky. You easily dismiss the loss of Stralman and Boyle who walked away. I see you added in Brass and Moore, the problem with that is the Rangers Traded Gabby for them, the BJs trade for Gabby came when Nash exited with Nash still there would the need for Gabby still have been warranted? You would have to remove Brass and Moore from that equation if that was the case and the team you assembled would look different. What I also see is the very problem that plagues this team currently, too many players playing out of position still. you have Dubi, Miller, Hayes all on the wing even with Brass gone you still have Step, Ani, Lindberg too many centers. Hayes can not play wing that has been established. This is why I say it's easy to play make believe but there are still consequences to not making moves and keeping players. I just don't think the Rangers have that high end talent that it needs beyond Hank. Buch could maybe become that but we will see, yandle grew on me hated the trade, still do gave up way too much, Staal don't get me started on that stupid deal, I think both walk with nothing to show for it other than the pains of giving up players that will go on to play for other teams and could have been used in NY. I don't know how the Rangers are going to find that franchise player before he's out of date, they will have to get lucky and draft a gem that slipped by, or trade up in the draft but this is not the draft to do it in, no one is trading out of the top three and fact is there is only ONE player in the top three the Rangers need and that is Matthews they need that genuine number one center not another wing and he is the only center in this draft that is a Franchise player.

York18


Tue May 10 2016 11:23 am EST

I still think we could win big with this core. Add 1.Toughness, 2. Youth and 3. Size. These are easier to acquire than high end draft pick calibre offensive (game breaker) talent. This fan base is starving for a TOUGH Ranger team, led into the new era by McIlrath.

hipcheck


Tue May 10 2016 11:18 am EST

York - I know you're not into hypothetical situations...But for argument's sake, I just see the Rangers as being a much stronger team sans those four trades. So if you hop into the way-back machine and undo those deals, the Rangers would have Dubinsky, Anisimov, Rychel, Duclair, John Moore, Oscar Kylington, Ho-Sang, Anthony Beauvillier, Saarela, two second rounders and the 20th overall pick next month. If you kept Dubinsky and Anisimov, you'd have a cap hit $1.2 million greater than Nash's contract alone, so you'd probably lose Haglin no matter what, or at least have to chose between him and Dubinsky. And obviously Callahan would be a goner for nothing. Rangers would look a little bit like this: Dubinsky-Step-Kreider, Zucc-Brass-Miller, Hayes-Anisimov-Duclair, Fast-Lindberg-Rychel, McDonagh-Klein, Staal-McIlrath, Skjei-Moore...Ho-Sang, Kylington, Beauvillier, and Saarela all going to Hartford. Even absent 'top end talent' that lineup sounds pretty damn good too me. Big difference is the addition of sandpaper players like Dubinsky and Rychel, plus additional strength up the middle with Anisimov....I think we'd agree no MSL means no cup finals. But no conference finals last year? Not so sure about that...MSL did nothing. Rick Nash was decent, but nothing special. And it wasn't like Yandle energized the powerplay into some sort of behemoth...So instead, we have Rick Nash and his anchor of a contract, Buchnevich and the rights to Staal and Yandle for another month...I see what you're saying about them still not having top-end talent. But seems to me the only way this team delivers a cup is if they can strike gold in the later rounds of the draft. Or alternatively, produce a strong, well-balanced team through the development program. Imagine if all the young players I listed were going to Hartford next season along with the solid prospects they already have there...sigh...oh well. All fantasy in the end I suppose.

tdchi


Tue May 10 2016 10:05 am EST

From not for

mf


Tue May 10 2016 10:04 am EST

TD, I agree and I disagree, what have the Rangers really developed in the first round that is on the caliber of a top three pick? Who? As for wiping those trades away well you can kiss the cup finals good bye for starters, you could also kiss the conference finals good bye, because there is no certainty once you remove MSL from the equation because he was the catalyst that carried this team to the cup finals that year. What would the Rangers have done with those picks and players? They would certainly be a different squad but you can play what if all day and say they would be a power house or they would be losers the reality is there is no answer that is correct, nor incorrect which is why I don't play fantasy like a lot of people here. What I do know is you're 100% correct that the Rangers have done an incredible job of having a steady stream of young players coming in despite not having first round picks there is no denying that, but they also have the few first rounders that did come along, The reality is their first rounders are what has done well though the guys that are all first rounders were taken mid round or earlier Wrath 10th overall, Miller 15th overall, Kreider 19th, Brassard was drafted top ten, Nash drafted top ten, Staal top 15, McD 12th Hayes I think 24th the majority on their top players were all drafted in the first round. What the common thread here is that the one thing that you can point to that everyone claims is missing is that Franchise forward that game breaker and let's face it look at where those guys are found top 3 usually and notice where the Rangers don't have anyone other than Nash drafted at? Nash as we both know has no heart or intensity so he is one of those few guy drafted top 3 that just don't get it.

York18


Tue May 10 2016 10:04 am EST

God forbid Krieder practiced shooting for the high slot like Shanahan, or molded his game after K.Tzachuk... I'm hoping this kid has a higher ceiling to attain, and i believe he does..

mf


Tue May 10 2016 8:43 am EST

Actually, if you look at the Rangers' draft record, the team has been more or less incredible with their selections since tanking on the JESSIMAN pick. I don't know how many teams in the NHL could survive as long as the Rangers have without having first rounders...and man, they still seem to be producing quality NHLers. I know I make this argument periodically, but I really wonder what the Rangers would look like today had they simply kept a system of developing internally rather than trading for top talent...like what would the Rangers look like today if you wiped the NASH, ST.LOUIS, YANDLE and STAAL deals off the board..and to start, take for granted that some guys are going to be lost to free agency for nothing(CALLAHAN for instance). But others might still be here. I know it's all fantasy/theoretical, but still an interesting topic, IMO.

tdchi


Tue May 10 2016 5:17 am EST

PA I hear you on the Wrath thing, but I don't think AV is gone by Christmas the simple fact that they seem to be blaming everyone but him says he's here till his contract is done, or till they tank so bad that they miss playoffs....................RF You can dream of what might of been, only problem is we are Rangers fans, the league would not have allowed the Rangers to draft that high, so those players had zero chance of coming to NY. The one season the Rangers should have drafted high, the pens get Crosby and the Rangers drafted what 15th how the hell can you end up drafting that far down when you had the same percentage chance of having the number one pick as the team who got the number one pick? I forgot who said it%2

York18


Mon May 9 2016 9:30 pm EST

York...dude....relax, I'm just dreaming about what might have been. I realize I have lots of interesting things to say and don't dislike a lively debate, but sometimes I'm just whimsical. Not looking for an argument or debate or whatever. Like earlier today...

RF4L


Mon May 9 2016 8:07 pm EST

Wonder if Boomer has any pull with Matt Martin? Take him over any UFA! I want this Club to maul other teams, F@#* AV, I am betting he is gone by X-mas. If he forces a trade of Big Mac I'm done with the Rangers. That is all.

pa.rangersfan


Mon May 9 2016 6:19 pm EST

RF Or are you condoning tanking to draft high now? If that's the case they should trade Hank, McD, Nash, Step, Brass, Staal, Girardi this off season.

York18


Mon May 9 2016 6:15 pm EST

RF and we will go back to when was the last time the Rangers drafted in the top four? Brendl and they traded the farm to get there when was the last time the Rangers drafted in the top four by actual position pick? The league does not give the Rangers a pick that high just not happening so you can lament the oh they have this guy because they kept the pick yeah they drafted in a blue chip position. Hedman second over all sorry not the same your point is moot

York18


Mon May 9 2016 6:09 pm EST

JNYR No but they have Cally they have Boyle, they have leaders there guys who have been there guys that were leaders in NY go figure. No one said MSL was the only leader in the game, the year they went to the cup finals he wasn't the only leader on this team Richards was here, so was Boyle the problem is how many of those guys were on the team this year? Zero, leadership wasn't addressed.

York18


Mon May 9 2016 1:51 pm EST

Do NOT want Okposo @$6M....like Martin....Nielsen not so much he's 32.

MelvilleFred


Mon May 9 2016 12:20 pm EST

Not sure I'd be wiling to give Okpose $6,000,000+ on a long term deal. This is a guy who's had the pleasure of playing a lot with John Tavares yet has never scored 30 goals, has hit over 20 only 3 times in his career and isn't noted for being an aggressive winger. Buyer beware I'd say...

RF4L


Mon May 9 2016 12:16 pm EST

jnyr: Probably because the Bolts have a coach who actually demands accountability from not just a rookie or 2...

RF4L


Mon May 9 2016 11:52 am EST

Okposo is also a RHS and a fast skater

mf


Mon May 9 2016 11:38 am EST

One thing I find amazingly ironic is the Bolts don't miss the leadership of the great Marty St. Louis like we do...

jnyr


Mon May 9 2016 11:15 am EST

TD: I'd argue that the Bolts have a team greater than just this year. Most of their key players are young and in fact, still have room to grow and get better. I suspect their biggest issue will be the impossible task of keeping them all together - lots are on club friendly deals that will end soon, meaning a slew of bigger contract demands are coming, including of course Stamkos (who may yet resign there) and Bishop. I believe the latter hits UFA summer of 2017.

RF4L


Mon May 9 2016 10:42 am EST

One guy the Rangers should think about this off-season is Kyle OKPOSO. Always liked his game. Kid is strong as an ox. Not sure what he's going to demand for money...probably in excess of $6 million per...but it would sure be nice to have a right-handed shot in the lineup who can score.

tdchi


Mon May 9 2016 10:36 am EST

It's a lot more than just experience. Tampa is a much, much, much deeper team. And above all, they had the better goaltender. You can't start a goalie like GRIESS and expect to win much...and while I don't think BISHOP is among the elite NHL goalies, he's certainly a tender that is capable of winning a cup. Can't say the same for either of the Isles goalies. Even with HALAK, I think they'd be in the same spot...Gotta say I was DEAD wrong about the Bolts. Came on here all snarky about how they'd fold like a cheap suit after STAMKOS went down...and how YZERMAN screwed the pooch with his handling of DROUIN...well, I gotta say he's looking like a genius right now...there aren't many teams that can lose a player like Stamkos AND a top-pairing D and roll through the first two rounds sleepwalking. I think I've said this before, but this is their year. I'd be surprised if there's a team that can beat them. Maybe the Blues.

tdchi


Mon May 9 2016 10:11 am EST

stevielegs - re: BOYLE, wifey might have had an impact. But BOYLE said when he left that he wanted a bigger role in an organization, not just fourth-line plugger. And remember, he was playing fourth-line wing with MOORE under AV. Though Tampa initially had him on fourth, he's gotten A LOT more playing time than he did in New York...Got 15 minutes yesterday and 18 the game before. He's never going to be a scorer. But I tell you what: He would have drastically improved the Rangers. Great penalty killer, good in the faceoff circle and just a physical presence. He was a big loss that went basically unnoticed among fans.

tdchi


Mon May 9 2016 8:48 am EST

A big difference in the Islander series was one team had playoff and one team didn't. That showed in the two overtime games in Brooklyn

jnyr


Mon May 9 2016 8:35 am EST

WIOSA - my coffee tastes it better this morning. Like you, I'll keep it in here. I won't engage or return any favors on the bragging rights. Let them enjoy.

DREW


Mon May 9 2016 8:13 am EST

"That Boyle wasn’t nearly as good as Stralman is not his fault. That his only effective stretch on the power play came when Alain Vigneault temporarily put him in the “Alex Ovechkin hole” – right-handed shot at the left dot – well, that was surely partly his fault. He never effectively ran the power play from the point for any length of time. Also what wasn’t Boyle’s fault, but was indeed the fault of the coaching staff, was that at age 39 he played 74 games (10-14-24) while a growing right-handed rookie who needed NHL experience sat in streetclothes. Maybe cutting Boyle’s workload to, say, 60 games, and getting Dylan McIlrath another 14 or so games, would have benefitted both players and the team? I think so. I thought that Boyle helped drag down his most-regular partner, Marc Staal, and I thought he dragged down Keith Yandle, who was much, much better paired with Kevin Klein and McIlrath. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/08/rangers-player-evaluations-dan-boyle/#sthash.g251So5V.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon May 9 2016 8:01 am EST

"Pavel Buchnevich, the 20-year-old Russian winger the Blueshirts hope to sign to an entry level contract, recently underwent a procedure on his bursa sac. The rehab process is two-to-three weeks and thus should have no impact on 2016-17."

stevielegs


Mon May 9 2016 7:42 am EST

rf4l it doesn't matter with this coach, he'll find a way not to win the Cup.....he calls it a kick at the can.....and that's where he belongs, in a garbage can.... oscar veenyo....

stevielegs


Mon May 9 2016 7:18 am EST

stevie: Yep and the 2 highest firsts in the lineup are BJ retreads (Nash - 1st and Brassard - 6th). The highest Ranger drafted on last year's roster is McI and the idiot coach is doing his best to ruin the kid.

RF4L


Mon May 9 2016 6:57 am EST

Boyle wanted out of ny, his wife to be was from Fla, and that's where he went...yes dear......but he is a good playoff guy, it's the regular season he tends to disappear, and avoid confrontation.....probably had enough of talkerella like Prust did.....he put them on the 4th line etched in stone.... some coaches and gms don't get role players and how to use them...they want 12 ovies.....if they had that, the same bunch would probably still fail to get the grail.....and blame 8 of the 12 ovies...or the d and the goalie. or the whole team.....it's never them.....

stevielegs


Mon May 9 2016 6:36 am EST

tdchi..........on Boyle.....thanks for reminding me to put in my 4 fav Rangers............B.Boyle, Stralman, Talbot and Hagelin...........(tongue planted firmly in cheek)

Newfie_Ranger


Mon May 9 2016 6:08 am EST

In defense of Brooklyn - and I can be charitable now - it was not the players that 'tanked' to get the less explosive Panthers, it was the coaches. They pretty much put an AHL team on the ice for the last game. Just, as always, MHO

WIOSA


Sun May 8 2016 11:43 pm EST

Conclusion high draft picks mean tanking and rebuilding doesn't always work , and isn't the only way to win it all, but it helps. The nyr have plenty of 1st round picks in their lineup. A good coach seems to be a lot more important .

stevielegs


Sun May 8 2016 10:07 pm EST

Meanwhile Hedman in 5 games against the Islanders, 4 goals and 8 points and a +6. Ahhh, the value of drafting high. And Drouin coming on - drafted 3rd overall. SIGH

RF4L


Sun May 8 2016 9:43 pm EST

IMO, the Islanders are a good team but not great and aren't nearly as far along and have as much talent as they should given all the high draft picks they've had over the last decade.

RF4L


Sun May 8 2016 6:56 pm EST

Honestly surprised the Isles got beat that bad, guess I overestimated their potential. But you know what, they lasted longer than us, and longer than Chicago! Tankers never prosper I guess...should of told that to Shittsburg.

NYStranger


Sun May 8 2016 6:53 pm EST

Great showing by the IceHoles! LOL look what happens when they play a good team. Tampa may be back in the finals. This next series ought to be good, though I have to admit I don't have much interest in watching. May poke in now and again, but the hockey season for me really ends when the Rangers get eliminated. Starts up again on draft day and the NYR national holiday known as UFA July 1st! HA! Should be an interesting next two months, good, bad or ugly.

NYStranger


Sun May 8 2016 5:31 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/guy-boucher-hired-as-senators-head-coach/c-280604718?tid=277350296

mf


Sun May 8 2016 5:27 pm EST

DREW!..Whew,, we can breathe easier now my friend. I intend to not say ONE word about it to my three Islander fans who were quite happy when we were eliminated...and said so. Ill just let them wonder when Im going to get in their faces. Im not going to...

WIOSA


Sun May 8 2016 5:23 pm EST

Tdchi I fell great my friend

DREW


Sun May 8 2016 5:22 pm EST

WIOSA, TDchi, stranger et all......http://newyorkrangersgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-01-25-21_50_11.gif

DREW


Sun May 8 2016 5:07 pm EST

DREW - Merry Christmas!! Feel better now? Seriously though, I tell you guys what: If y'all think the Pens are good, they ain't got squat on Tampa. Think it's gonna be a Tampa-Blues final and I can't really say which one is going to come out on top...but the fact Tampa is playing THIS good without STAMKOS or STRALMAN makes me think they're gonna take it all...both are skating and will be in the mix for at least the cup matchup if it goes that far...probably even part of the conference finals. The team is deep, well-coached and has the veteran leadership they need to go the distance. Pains me to say it, but I think this is their year.

tdchi


Sun May 8 2016 5:03 pm EST

I tell you what...the Rangers were absolutely STUPID to not resign Brian BOYLE and give him an increased role that he wanted. The guy is worth EVERY PENNY of the $2 million Tampa is giving him...He's been an absolute beast in these playoffs. And all the guy really wanted was a promotion from fourth line to third line. He would have been a serious upgrade over anything the Rangers have had on third line center since his departure.

tdchi


Sun May 8 2016 4:51 pm EST

FU fishtanks shutout, now shut up....FORE!!!!!!

stevielegs


Sun May 8 2016 4:24 pm EST

Iceholes are losing 4-0 in the 3rd. Bawawawawwaww Bwawawawwawwwawawawawwawawawawwawaw

rangerlou


Sun May 8 2016 3:48 pm EST

Tavares is tanking big time.

rangerlou


Sun May 8 2016 3:42 pm EST

fishtanks deserve to sink for that bs loss in the last game to get fla....karma.....

stevielegs


Sun May 8 2016 3:30 pm EST

Islanders Ship is sinking .........3-0 middle of 2nd period.

rangerlou


Sun May 8 2016 3:27 pm EST

Watching this Isles, lightning series I am very impressed with the play of Johnathan Drouin

tlats


Sun May 8 2016 2:59 pm EST

nice view ...https://www.nhl.com/video/nhl-livewire-steve-bernier/t-280346364/c-43888803

stevielegs


Sun May 8 2016 2:27 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/why-mark-messiers-iconic-911-jersey-will-be-auctioned/

mf


Sun May 8 2016 1:28 pm EST

Thanks MF !

WIOSA


Sun May 8 2016 1:15 pm EST

Been watching the Worlds over in Russia.............on Team Canada , they have Hall playing with Brassard and it's working out really well.........just sayin' !................ Something you might not know (or care about) but, the 4 best players on Calgary Flames turned down offers to play with Team Canada. This is almost unheard of in this country. What is ironic is that the Centre of Excellence for Hockey Canada is based out of Calgary. Wow !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun May 8 2016 12:28 pm EST

Happy Mothers Day from, "Have a Marijuana" HA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9OYmLhR2K8

mf


Sun May 8 2016 12:26 pm EST

A heads up from a previously "exiled to main street" Wallster..... We're getting closer on """ The Buch """ https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/729020707150123008 ........https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/pavel-buchnevich-has-been-rated-as-a-top-10-prospect/163175388 .......

mf


Sun May 8 2016 12:11 pm EST

Happy Mother's Day to any Mommy's that frequent "The Wall." ...... :->)

mf


Sun May 8 2016 10:13 am EST

WIOSA - still nervous. I really want this wrapped up today!!! Don't give them ANY momentum.

DREW


Sun May 8 2016 9:09 am EST

What I always liked about Budreau is he has never been afraid to release the hounds. But he came across like a foul mouthed moron on that HBO series the year the Rangers were on it. But then again Torts came across like a sane rational likeable guy as well. So ya never know. Can't judge by a TV show, obviously!

NYStranger


Sun May 8 2016 8:53 am EST

RF4L - kid looks good! Can't wait to see him in Hartford next year. I continue to maintain he was a driving reason the Rangers bit in the HAGELIN deal...more so than ETEM. And I tell you what: If GROPP keeps going hard to the net like that, he's gonna have a lot of fans in here. Again, still too early to call the ball on him. But that's a world class goal right there. It's what KREIDER should do instead of taking a clapper from the hash marks and missing wide nine out of ten times.

tdchi


Sun May 8 2016 8:52 am EST

RF4L, I never heard anything bad about the guy, and hate to see people lose their jobs, so I wish him well also....Now Torts...ahem.

WIOSA


Sun May 8 2016 8:34 am EST

I know some on here don't like him, but I do and he's also apparently a very nice person who's well liked in the industry so good for Bruce Boudreau on his quick rehiring. IMO, well deserved.

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 10:34 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/minnesota-wild-announce-hiring-of-coach-bruce-boudreau/

mf


Sat May 7 2016 8:40 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYG3CIlOydc

mf


Sat May 7 2016 8:22 pm EST

What Hospo Said,....Okay! OV making it a game,,3-1 Caps.

WIOSA


Sat May 7 2016 7:43 pm EST

Bob/E - Take some time, that's the only way to deal with this place some time, but please come back by draft time..You guys add alot.....Alot of what, I don't know!!

Hospo


Sat May 7 2016 2:35 pm EST

WIOSA. So true....so much left to give...

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 2:05 pm EST

RF, Johnny we hardly knew ye....BOB, oh no Mr. Bob!

WIOSA


Sat May 7 2016 2:01 pm EST

E/Bob. Hopefully the apprentice job for life will do enough at the June draft to compel you to end your hiatus prematurely....

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 1:59 pm EST

I got blisters on my fingers!!!

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 1:57 pm EST

E: I think you are on to something there. Time for the off season to commence for me too. I have to stop my eyes from bleeding.

Bob


Sat May 7 2016 1:19 pm EST

E, wish you wouldnt. I enjoy your posts. That said if you do choose to stay away, have a healthy happy summer.

WIOSA


Sat May 7 2016 1:09 pm EST

You know, I think it's time for me to take a hiatus so that you can be free of my ignorant petulance. My presence is too much a disruption. I'll see the rest of you come fall. Have a good summer!!!

E


Sat May 7 2016 1:03 pm EST

Oops got me again... Man, you're just exposing me left and right. Take your victory lap. I mean I never coached, I think you once declared I never played. I don't know what I'm talking about. All exposed for all to see by you. Well done.

E


Sat May 7 2016 12:51 pm EST

E sure backpedal now and claim spelling errors. Whatever you say there champ. Funny how when people talk about a group they say the Rangers have the best blue line blah blah but you had ample chance to claim spelling error and now you're doing it sure thing there chief

York18


Sat May 7 2016 12:42 pm EST

Simple..This past year..KARLSSON was the Offensve D-man in the NHL...DOUGHTY arguably the best all aroun d D-man in the NHL.....Thi year, I give the trophy to DOUGHTY

Hospo


Sat May 7 2016 12:40 pm EST

Oops look, I did it again. Clearly, iPad has other ideas. That'd be offensive defense men. Because apparently that is not a real word

E


Sat May 7 2016 12:38 pm EST

Obviously, but don't let me pause you while you're outlining the obvious. if you read my statement in context despite it being spelled wrong (for which I beg 1000 pardons) it was that LA have the best offensive defenseman in the league. That is: collective unit for the sake of clarity. Now is that really true? I don't know, do the math yourself if you feel so compelled but I'd take LA's blue line against any in the NHL for their 3-zone play. But you just needed to run with it, so I let you so you can be right. Yes, Ericsson is a better offensive defenseman by virtue of production. But alas that doesn't show the real tail of the tape. And so there is that. But please continue with the lesson plan...

E


Sat May 7 2016 12:05 pm EST

E I even said if I had to choose I would pick Doughty over him, the thing is we weren't talking about favorites we were talking about the best offensive Dman in the league and that is hands down Karlsson it's not difficult who scores more points? Not for nothing how many Norris trophies does Doughty have and how many does Karlsson have? Obviously people disagree with your blanket statement that you just made.

York18


Sat May 7 2016 11:44 am EST

RF: Doughty > Ericksson all day, every day. And you'd find very few people in the NHL that would argue against that.

E


Sat May 7 2016 11:44 am EST

Really nice goal by Ryan Gropp last night in Seattle's opening game loss in the WHL final against Brandon. He comes down the side boards and cuts in behind the defense and uses a backhand to score. Precisely the sort of goals the Rangers don't see since Rick Nash became afraid of being concussed again. https://twitter.com/TheWHL/status/728784634759143424/photo/1

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 11:35 am EST

Guess Calugia wants to play with McDavid....

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 11:33 am EST

York: I think the Coffey/Karlsson comparison is a good one and remember, the former got to play on a team loaded with other talents, meaning his shortcomings defensively weren't nearly as obvious (nor did he wear the C and nor was he the team's best player). Orr, of course, was in another stratosphere. Hell, he lead the league one year in +/-; he was an incredible +124 in the 70/71 season, which is a record that still stands today. Think about that - an offensive d-man holds the record for highest plus EVER. That's a reflection not only of his ability offensively, but also the fact that defensively he was very good and oftentimes that aspect of his game goes under-appreciated because of his overwhelming numbers offensively. Truly a one of a kind player IMO.

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 11:17 am EST

good bye Draculigula ??? http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-prized-ncaa-free-agent-drake-caggiula-to-sign-with-oilers/

mf


Sat May 7 2016 11:14 am EST

feel good story: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/canucks-prospect-boeser-taking-student-with-down-syndrome-to-her-prom/

mf


Sat May 7 2016 10:54 am EST

RF I like what Bobby ORR said about him let him play his game, cover his jumps he is a special player and a player like that you let loose. The guy is a Dman and he scored more points than most forwards that's insane. Orr likened him to a Coffey and I agree. Here is the problem with Karlsson the second his offensive skills go meaning what drives them his skating, he is worthless because he has no other aspect to his game but he's the best OFFENSIVE Dman in the game, I didn't say the most complete and neither did E he said offensive and that sir just isn't correct DOUGHTY is way more complete by a country mile and if I had my choice I'd take Doughty, but for pure offensive instinct Karlsson is in his own league. He scored more points in the NHL than Doughty ever did in a single season in Jrs that says a lot about just how good Karlsson is.....Graves, He's not a Wrath, and he's not a Skeij he's somewhere in between. He will fight, he throws some booming hits, his first pass is good, but his shot is HEAVY and to have a shot like that on the PP would be huge he's accurate on getting it to the net too, The difference between he and Mac are when Mac gets on the ice you almost hold your breadth waiting for him to crush someone and send them to the locker room you wait with anticipation Graves is not that guy but he throws big hits too. You can't call him a Skeij because his skating isn't there he's a big man but can skate for the NHL that's why I say the hype needs to relax on this kid.

York18


Sat May 7 2016 10:44 am EST

On Graves - while I agree it's somewhat premature to start worrying about it, but I see no reason to feel confident that if his play in pre-season warrants it, AV will be happy to find a spot for him. I've only seen him play a few times but don't see the meanness and/or bruising style McI is noted for. He's certainly not a puck moving, fabulous first pass guy either. He looks like a classic defensive defenseman to me who occasionally will do something offensively and comes with a booming shot. I would love to see a defensive lineup with both him and McI as regulars. Most definitely, the opposition would have their heads up!!

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 10:40 am EST

York: Yes Karlsson is a fabulous offensive d-man but he's careless and at times downright horrid in his own zone, to the point where late this year he was starting to be criticized for that aspect of his game, especially since he wears the C and the Sens under-achieved this past season. Their primary issue is lack of defending and that problem is headed by Karlsson. It's almost like he really doesn't care for that piece of his game and is quite willing to sacrifice it for bloated points stats. That's what he's now coming under fire for. I tend to concur with that thinking - if the Sens want to be better then they need to tighten up defensively and that commitment needs to start with Karlsson (meaning he will indeed have to sacrifice some of those stats). It'll be interesting to see if he's willing to do so. All that said, he is a gifted offensive defenseman and worthy of the accolades that aspect of his game brings. I'd most certainly put him on my team, but perhaps not as a captain, especially if he's unwilling to commit himself to the overall good of the team.

RF4L


Sat May 7 2016 10:14 am EST

TD I'm calling bullshit, he didn't take them to the conference finals MSL did they all but lost that series till his mother died and he came back willed this team to winning. I will say he was actually the reason they lose in the conference finals last year, he refuses like this year to not let his vets play as long as they are at better than 20% which is ridiculous. You then contradict yourself claiming that his style called for a certain player and it failed due to said player not being there, well then how the hell did his supposed style get past the first few rounds? As for Graves he will be here sooner or later but not sure when the all star thing I take with a grain of salt he didn't have this sick year, he had the hardest shot on his team and go to represent them because of the skills comp let's not get too far ahead our selves with the hype.

York18


Sat May 7 2016 9:27 am EST

Hospo - not sure what you mean by disconnect. I know AV is the can everyone is enjoying kicking right now...and rightfully so...but let's put things in perspective here: He took the team to the president's trophy, conference finals twice and cup finals in the course of two years. He didn't do that by throwing defense to the wind. His problem was that his "style" dictated a top pick mover. Sather gave him BOYLE. And then when he failed, Sather got YANDLE, who, while fitting the bill on offense, was still a liability on defense. Chances are pretty good he's not going to have either next fall... Which is addition by subtraction in my book. Now GRAVES...I like the kid...think he has a solid future in NY. I don't, however, believe that future starts in October. We shall see. My scouting on the kid is that he's a beast. Just physically intimidating. I think if you made a hybrid of SKJEI and McILRATH, he's what you'd get. And recall too, he's an all-star, which means there are people outside of Hartford who think he's got the goods. Long and the short, I think it's a little presumptuous to think AV is gonna do the same with Graves as he has Mack. Different players. Different circumstances. I think Graves starts in Hartford and gets an injury callup. Of course, that all depends what they do on the left side.

tdchi


Sat May 7 2016 8:13 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/05/05/the-backhanded-compliment-that-is-isles-best-4th-line-in-nhl/

stevielegs


Sat May 7 2016 8:10 am EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on MAY 6, 2016 11:17 PM and you saw the stat Brooks found today … The Martin line is fourth in the entire league at 5-on-5 minutes. Seriously. Seriously! - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/06/rangers-coach-alain-vigneault-ill-be-back/#sthash.lobJRNM0.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat May 7 2016 8:04 am EST

Vic they could have played 7 d like coach genius has done in panic mode, they had megna, hrivrik , paille, .....i didn't know dummy hayes put them into the playoffs....they should have lost the last game, they might still be playing....like the fishtanks....

stevielegs


Sat May 7 2016 7:33 am EST

STEVIE: They had talented NHL ready players to call up from Hartford and insert onto a team fighting for playoff posistion? Really? Who?

Vic


Sat May 7 2016 6:48 am EST

York lots of possibilities, like maybe ulf wants out to get a head coaching job...as usual all speculation, not many facts...yet....I'm pretty sure many of the questions and opinions here, and more are in mismanagement's minds....zubov, gernander, buek ?.....

stevielegs


Sat May 7 2016 5:57 am EST

I was thinking about the fact that AVs staff is up for maybe losing their jobs. Its kind of odd that they are being held responsible but he isn't? How do you hold the staff responsible when they follow the coaches orders? I was thinking that maybe Gorton wants another coach in place to take over if they have to fire AV mid season and they dont trust any of the current staff to do the job? That or AV blamed his staff in exit meetings.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 10:02 pm EST

^5

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 9:22 pm EST

WIOSA!!!!!! I couldn't break tradition and not say hello!!! LFC Graffiti Wall (LightningFanCentral)

DREW


Fri May 6 2016 9:19 pm EST

That was a close one Drew...one more to go...and it's the hardest one.

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 9:17 pm EST

Fishtanks drown in ot at home lose 2-1 in less than 2 minutes ... Hard to see tears underwater ...

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 5:46 pm EST

Drew...I hear you. I dont even want to watch, but it's a train wreck, you just have to keep looking. Let's hope TB takes it tonight, is Stamkos back yet?

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 5:37 pm EST

so which assistants are not coming back, and who's getting their job or jobs...promote the replacements, gernander and buek , let veengotogo live or die with that.....reel in the slack on your line gorton fishboy....

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 5:35 pm EST

Oa another note, to our Candian friends - any in or have friends or relatives around Ft McMurray in Alberta? Im praying you are all ok. It's so horribly devestating.

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 5:29 pm EST

Vic not enough of a reason not to sit lazy hazy....they had guys to call up.....it might of gave him the kick in his can he needed to help take another kick at the can.... ala oscar weknow.....who can't.....

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 5:07 pm EST

Okay York, humbled me again Karlsson is better and the west sucks. Thank you for the correction.

E


Fri May 6 2016 4:46 pm EST

HOSPO I'd take any of them as well, in a heartbeat.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 4:39 pm EST

The LINDBERG injury might also explain why AV didn't have him in the lineup for the last month of the season. I now folks here were killing AV fit having HITLER in over him but it could be that he just couldn't go, or go well enough. Don't think we will ever know.

Vic


Fri May 6 2016 4:31 pm EST

York18 - Agree that Karlsson is the best offensive D-man in the NHL..with BRENT BURNS not far behind,..But, I also think that DOUGHTY might be the best all around D-man in the League...I'd love any of them..!

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 4:26 pm EST

E - I think you need both.....Read this article from a few weeks ago on GRAVES...www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/136339/hartfords-defense-first-style-plays-graves-strengths/.....Sure sounds like there is a disconnect between wwhat gernander and the WP coach compared to how AV wants to play...Honestly, I can't see how one of Mcilrath or Graves isnt trade by this summer---..As for who will produce,,,,What's wrong with a D that has MCD, SKEJI and a Yandle or, more likley, a Yandle type to generat the offense,,,ANd you still have KK, Staal,, Mcilrath/Girardi....I think the talent will be there...Will the coaching and strategy? And the helping out by the forwards in the D-zone......I just don't know...It wasn't last year

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 4:22 pm EST

E I know you love everything west coast and the west does it best etc. But the best offensive Dman in the league is Eric Karlsson and he plays for Ottawa he's scored higher than Doughty did even in Jrs doughty never put up the numbers Karlsson does.He is the best offensive Dman in the league look what he did this year on a weak Sens team who didn't even make the playoffs the guy is an offensive beast

York18


Fri May 6 2016 4:00 pm EST

I watched Nashville's defense against SJ this series. They activate left and right and are all over the place. You still can't get pedestrian on the blue line too much. LA had a bruising blue line but they also have the best offensive defenseman in the league.

E


Fri May 6 2016 3:57 pm EST

HOSPO: I hear you on the blue line but I always come back to the question of, "who is gonna produce on the blue line?" It plagued them forever. Enter Yandle, exit Yandle, insert some bruisers who are competent but aren't gonna resemble offensive ability. So, back to square one???

E


Fri May 6 2016 3:57 pm EST

AHL, for Miller not NHL

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 3:56 pm EST

E, I dont think it's personal, I really dont. As I posted several times before, there seems to be something that AV is not seeing in this player that makes him feel confident. I honestly dont know what it is. Regardless, he should not be sitting for large portions of the playing season. It's not like Miller who was playing in the NHL and brought up when needed. Im not sure what AV is looking for (puck moving dman?) ...but Dylan does not seem to be giving him a lot of confidence. My post merely says if we're going to only play the guy for a game here and there, the more he sits the more 'stale' he gets and the more his value plummets. Move him...get a player who's style is more in tune to what you are looking for. That is what i would do.

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 3:52 pm EST

RF: I understand the reasons why the New York Rangers fans are excited about McIlrath but what I don't get is this almost messianic defense of him that exists. If he sits, it's the fault of AV. AV hates him. He doesn't fit the AV team plan. I mean it's almost bizarre to me. I mean I like him but damn... Sometimes I'm mystified.

E


Fri May 6 2016 3:26 pm EST

York18 -I'm just going on what you folks are saying about this V-Tank character, but not only will they have V-tabk and Mcilrath, but they will also have the big and strong Ryan Graves who supposedley had a great year in the AHL, inckuding being an ALL-STAR and having the hardest shot.....It can mean one of two things, the defensse looks strong and tough for the future or some of the toughness (Mcilrath/Graves) will be dealt...I don't trust AV as far as I can throw him

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 2:52 pm EST

RF also Wrath will throw some mean hard hits, the kind of hits that can put people out of the game and they are clean, he is just really strong and hits really hard. He also developed a rep in the AHL as a guy who didn't let you get away with something because you weren't a fighter. He would either make you fight, or he would find you when you had the puck and either throw one of the nastiest hits ever, or a dirty one either way you knew not to do it again. These things have been missing from the Rangers since Kloucek played here a mean hard hitting Dman that just crushes people. I honestly think if Tank comes back and they have Wrath and Tank they will be a very miserable team to play against for other teams. It will be very hard to get your guys away from both of them and that's what you want.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 2:52 pm EST

AV and his obsession with "puck moving" Dmen is absurd and I'm sick of hearing it. BTW I think Mac is one of the more accurate long passers of the D. He made some nice ones this year in his little time he played. Cant have 6 Paul Coffeys out there coach Boo Boo Top 4- Mac-Miller-Krieds-Megna

stepunmytoe


Fri May 6 2016 2:40 pm EST

E: It is quite simple to me why so many are enamoured with McI (and I have posted about this previously): The Rangers have historically been a non-physical team. In the early 70s when they were very good, they got beat up constantly by the Bruins. Next up came the Flyers, who pummelled the Rangers to the point of total humiliation. This pattern we have endured endlessly, save for a few glorious exceptions (the cup year and year 2 under Tortorella). Now we are in the AV play whistle to whistle, turn the other cheek era and for many, it is painfully frustrating to watch. I am sick and tired of watching my team let their goalie get run as they puck watch. I am sick and tired of watching my team take cheap shots to the head and skate away with no response. I am sick and tired of watching my team get physically abused with no response. McI playing will not eliminate all of that but for sure his presence will help and for crying out loud, how wonderful is it to see when he does dress and some punk-ass like Kunitz or Wilson or whoever skates away from a possible confrontation because McI in his grill. And he is not some knuckle dragging goon who is only able to play 2 minutes a game. He looks like a capable defenseman who will only get better IF he is allowed to play. What is it with this organization and its acceptance when it comes to being physical man-handled. Maddening. Frustrating. Stupid.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 2:18 pm EST

Favorite Rangers start with any of them that "The Big Whistle" Bill Chadwick, and Marv Albert, and Sal RedLight Messina" announced on......

mf


Fri May 6 2016 2:11 pm EST

just doing a drive by, I have much reading to catch up on, ZUKE a dissapointment: something like 61 points if my memory ain't shot, and compared to the rest of these bad news bears, not in my book....

mf


Fri May 6 2016 1:47 pm EST

WIOSA - I am starting to get nervous - really want this series wrapped up by Monday morning. They can't get any momentum back. LFC Graffiti Wall!

DREW


Fri May 6 2016 1:40 pm EST

RF: with McIlrath it's a full circle thing for me. I do think he played well especially earlier in the season. But I also noticed he struggled a bit down the stretch when tapped. But I expected that. Lack of consistent play, teams playing with more intensity etc... I know the coach leaned on G and Boyle too much but that's 1/3 of your defense and they are veterans and you need them for April. Clearly both couldn't get it done and Boyle was humiliated in what should've been his swan song. Skjei came in and held down his position by and large. The last game when AV dressed Diaz and that was just desperation trying to get something from the blue line. So, I don't look at McIlrath as in some way a developmental outlier. At least not in the classic sense. McIlrath should've been up and down all season. Perhaps rotating significantly more then Skjei was. What I find so annoying though is the cult of McIlrath. I mean the guy is a prospect. Arguably, he's a very solid one. But sometimes it's like we have some kind of borderline superstar ace that's being held back. I'm writing in jest of course but I cannot remember a more overevaluation of a guy on paper then it has been with McIlrath. It's a little irrational to me. I will accept a lot more of the criticisms about this situation next season if it remained the same. Too date, given the circumstances and this insistence that AV is a pussy hockey advocate I just don't see enough evidence. It seems borderline hysterics to me. The New York Rangers in the game against PIT that they won was finally the team that AV had been advocating for. That was the New York Rangers team that played the Los Angeles Kings two springs ago. But we also knew that it was an abberation. They just couldn't elevate to that level because we hadn't seen it all with consistency all season long. So, given that this season was seemingly more of an abberation then anything else (we know why it happened) we'll see if AV begins to get his team dialed in with the kind of personnel that he is looking for. He has a team that is pretty big on the top-6. So it's not like he doesn't have the pieces to play that hyper pace.

E


Fri May 6 2016 1:32 pm EST

YORK, you could be right about Diaz. You think if he was confident nobody would claim Diaz off waivers but probably would take Dylan that might turn on a lightbulb though huh? Nothing against Diaz btw, just thought Dylan was a better fit. No argument about the speed difference between Dylan and Brady and understand the decisions made there. AV is a rough one to decipher, that's for sure. ......ALL I think Richter was a 'money goalie'. Somehow, someway he won the games you HAD to win. He reached down and found skills he rarely displayed all season, and stole those games. Hank on a skill level and dependable level - to me, is the better goalie all around. Cant help but love Mikey though..a terrific teammate and great all around person. Just, as always, MHO

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 1:31 pm EST

That Vancouver piece painted AV as a bully, who singled out certain players and just wouldn't give them a fair shake. Whoever said Lindros wouldn't have liked AV they are correct AV tried to force a player with a serious back injury into playing that resulted in a shouting match and argument funny it was a rookie he did it to how funny.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 1:27 pm EST

stevie: I sure hope so....

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 1:26 pm EST

rf4l maybe veendontknow just didn't have confidence in him, rather than not liking him. I think the kid will be a regular next season on the NYR. I would hope that's 1 thing gilless gorton fishboy told him.

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 1:11 pm EST

E: Yes AV was hard on Miller but with JT there were options - he could be sent down. And players in front of him weren't sucking. With McI, it was playing time or the pressbox and more maddening, both Girardi and Boyle had many games where their play warranted some time in the pressbox. Finally, when injuries forced AV's hand and McI had to be dressed, he played well - definitely as well and arguably better than half of the d-men on the roster. The evidence is, IMO, overwhelming that McI is not AV's type of player and AV would rather not use him. Ridiculous given the violence in the game that the NHL continues to encourage - you need players in the lineup like him. If I was coach, I'd be doing my best to develop this kid so the team can benefit from what he brings to the table, not the opposite.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 12:57 pm EST

so he played cheesy with that injury ?....probably...and typical of this coach...lindros would have loved him....

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 12:45 pm EST

KIS: it isn't necessarily accolades. I am going by ability. Nobody can rock what Richter meant to this organization and what he did. But Richter never approached the ability. To put it thru another prism from that era. I think Richter was more or less on the level of Cujo. That's not a slight. But they both were not as good as Hasek and Broduer. Lundqvist is well on his way to a first ballot HOF career. Richter is not. And that is no slight on Richter whatsoever. Lundqvist is a better goalie backstopping a lesser team. In my opinion Richter also had two shining moments of immortality: his cup run and his performance in the Worlds. Epic performances nonetheless.

E


Fri May 6 2016 12:38 pm EST

Correct me if I'm wrong but it also seemed that Fast secured a regular roster spot relatively quickly as well. So who knows what going on in that melon of AV

E


Fri May 6 2016 12:35 pm EST

AV was hard on Miller. I don't know why Hayes seemed to have a longer rope then the other rookies but on Lindberg??? I thought he was more defensively sound and had some chemistry with Fast. So who knows. I try not to be too biased in my assessment because I don't like Hayes as a player to begin with so its hard for him to do right by me. But it definitely seemed to me that AV was trying to get Hayes to push thru something when he clearly had the leads pulled tighter for other players.

E


Fri May 6 2016 12:24 pm EST

On Lindberg - IMO he wasn't really given a fair shake. Yes some of his pressboxing was due to his play, but damn, if that's the case, why wasn't Hayes pressboxed more? AV was hard on LIndberg, although not to the same extent he afforded McI. The way he handled both rookies to me is shameful. I sometimes wonder if AV is a bit of a bully, which totally belies the outward persona he tries to exude (which the NY press buy into for sure - they're always mentioning how nice and friendly he is). He picks his spots and like a true bully, is a coward and therefore, targets rookies, not veterans, even when a veteran (or 2 or 3) obviously deserve it.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 12:21 pm EST

IMO, the difference between Richter's haydays and the King's is that the latter has been relied on more because the team in front of him isn't as good as the one Richter got to play behind. That isn't to downplay Richter's ability and effectiveness - he was superb. I think it's reasonable to put them at an equal level and to argue who was better is a battle neither side will ever win.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 11:58 am EST

KIS I think Richter was a damn good goalie, as I do think Hank is one too. Richter won the world cup standing on his head, Hank was a gold not standing on his head, Richter won a cup, Hank lost a cup they are very similar the only reason Richter still goes down as the Rangers best goalie is that cup, you remove the cup and you have very similar careers in terms of worth.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 11:55 am EST

I'm picturing Hank in a Las Vegas Black Aces sweater. But no one wants to get stuck with a 35-year-old goalie at $8 million. Well, except the NYR.

Nick


Fri May 6 2016 11:34 am EST

E please let's not open that can of worms again no way Hank is the best Ranger goalie ever. Please don't compare him to Richter. Richter could have had more than one cup. The Rangers got fucked a couple times. I think mike was stronger mentally. Hank is a flake. Good goalie but richter did everything Hank did plus he won the cup. That means something

KIS


Fri May 6 2016 11:32 am EST

WIOSA - yeah, alot of different factors came into play for Lindberger last year...The effort was always there though..but he lost alot of consistnecy in the 2nd half probably becasue of all those factors (his play, linemates, lines, resposnibilites, yoy-yoing by the coach, maybe an injury)......Too bad he has to start the year on IR..was looking forward to him being somewhere on the 3rd or 4th line at the start

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 11:28 am EST

York18 - We have some small differences of opinion on Lindberger, but not on how the Rangers handled him..I agree that AV kept making it worse as the season went laong..especially in the second half.....Too many positions, too many changing responsibilities, and then alot of sitting....I see his future as a solid NHL 3rd liner but would have used him mainly as a 4th liner all year letting him grow and gain expoereince until I knew he was set to play 3rd line consistently...I'm cautious with kids that way,,,,,But think the .Rangers jumped the gun with the early hot start IMWO

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 11:21 am EST

WIOSA AV never thought Diaz was a lesser player than Wrath that I do believe the Rangers just weren't willing to lose Wrath on waivers but were willing to lose Diaz who Wrath outplayed for the spot. With that said IF Wrath could have been sent down without having to clear waivers I would bet AV would have kept diaz despite his horrible preseason. This guy played for AV in Vancouver and now keeps popping up here. I unlike a lot of people here expected Wrath to come along slow, I expected him to play if someone got injured and was worked in slowly. I dind't expect him to be shut out the second half of the season, and I was seriously disappointed when he played a strong game two and then was benched in the third and didn't play again after that very disappointed. AV went with Diaz because as you can see he complained about his D not stretching the ice and getting out of the zone fast enough. I think that;s why he went with Skeij who can skate the puck up quickly when the passing lanes are clogged, Wrath isn't known to lug the puck up the ice and that's what AV wanted and that's why Diaz was used IMO, plus he just seems to like the guy for some reason. I also believe AV is a coach who singles out players and doesn't like them for no other reason than he just doesn't. He was accused of it in Vancouver and it came to light it was true and it seems to be true in Wraths case, he just doesn't like him as a player it was obvious from his first game when he played well took on a major heavy and was sent down.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 11:16 am EST

E ditto on Ward. Gutsy annoying player....thought he wouldve been great. HOWEVER, we couldnt afford him as I recall. .

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 11:14 am EST

HOSPO something you're not taking into consideration was he was being bounced around like crazy play center, play wing, no play center, no play wing. His roles were changing too play second line, no play third line, be a checking player, no we need a scorer. A rookie needs his role defined and once again that falls on the coach and he failed. Lindberg is a solid third line player and say what you want he played less games and was playing injured at times which is now obvious he needs something major done if he needs 6 months to recover and he scored almost as many points as Hayes who played the entire season. On a side note you shouldn't call AV a Douche E will think you aren't keeping it classy enough for him.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 11:14 am EST

Hospo, on Lindberg, you may be right. Of course I would love to know when the injury occured. Did that cool off his hot play? which seemed to end abruptly, or was he the entity nobody knew so he managed to look good? I dunno. You are probably right though, nice to dream we have a sniper somewhere repairing though - huh? LOL.

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 11:11 am EST

HOSPO: I was huge on Ward. Just felt that the guy tortured the NYR every spring. He has been a Swiss Army knife for SJ

E


Fri May 6 2016 11:11 am EST

Hospo,,that's a big WHY? I really started to believe those that said AV just doesnt rush rookies, and he'll get his chance to play, and then Skjei happened. Then Diaz happened. Really, it's all too strange for it to be he's a rookie and AV doesnt want to rush him. In the last hurrah of the playoffs, we're palying for our playoff lives and you insert someone - who is in your mind - a lesser player because you dont want to rush a rookie? Doesnt make sense. If AV truly doesnt like the way the guy plays, and AV is staying, they yes, every day he sits his value on the market drops. Just as always, mho

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 11:08 am EST

Open roster spot since Lindberg's expected recovery time is 6 months.

ges999


Fri May 6 2016 11:07 am EST

WIOSA - Don't totally agree with that...LINDBERG started off on fire but slowly settled to his level..The effort was there but he made alot of mistakes and seemed lost at times...I always saw him THIS YEAR as a 4th liner or at least that's where he should have started and worked his way up...After the hot start, Rangers got bamboozled and heaped too much on him and worked backwards to the point where he was an afterthought.......Yes, it was due to his play, but I agree that the Rangers handled him poorly...

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 11:05 am EST

MZA for all the right reasons. JT for his future. Klein for doing everything with no fanfare. CK because I always need a maddening talent that I loathe and love. But Lundqvist goes without saying. Best goalie the NYR ever had.

E


Fri May 6 2016 11:03 am EST

AV is lieing douche....All rosters in a Cap-NHL have limitations...It's up to the GM to get the best bang from the buck...and up to the coach to get the best out of the players...NO DAMN EXCUSES....Look at the guys in Pitt--Matt Cullen? RUST? some of their D-men?....Which vet scored the Winner last night for NASHVILLE? Under-Fisher......WHo scored for TB the other night? BOITANO (a player we didn't want).....ANd Dallas with bunch of names I never heard surviiving the loss of Seguin to be tied 2-2? And Joel Ward in SJU, who 75% of the Wall hated?...All abiout talent evaluation and putting together a team,---------where AV totally screwwed the pooch last year and, I'm expecting, will do the same next year..His life is over in NY..Dead Man coaching..

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 10:59 am EST

Oscar Lindberg is having surgery to repair some bi-lateral thingee in his hip. Maybe AV doesnt disapprove of his style of play? Maybe he knew he was limited in what he could do? Hope so, he, even more than Dylan was a head scratcher.

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 10:56 am EST

Alright 15 FOUR FAVORITE RANGER SELECTIONS IN...would love about 10 more...but.........MCILRATH 13....MZA 11.....KLEIN 11...MILLER 10.....On the other end of the spectrum.....NASH-STEP-BRASS 1!.....GIRARDI-STAAL-HAYES (waiting on VIC)-FAST - 0............Do we trade the favorite player this offseason???

Hospo


Fri May 6 2016 10:55 am EST

"We wanted to give our group a last opportunity. Now must look at everything."...change the group same results, then what?...change the group again?.....

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 10:53 am EST

york: Re AV setting the stage (his stage) for next year when he talks about the team being strapped due to the cap and all those NMC deals. Could be. Or perhaps he's simply stating the truth. Gorton has his work cut out for him that's for sure and it's pretty reasonable to project a difficult upcoming season if he's unable to make any significant player changes...

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 10:51 am EST

E: Yes injuries played a factor but what team doesn't have injuries? It's the nature of the beast and you gotta be able to work thru them.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 10:38 am EST

RF It's funny but I was listening to an interview with Zuch where he spoke about MSL and his influence on him and how to carry himself and how to handle situations. He even said that MSL spoke to him early this year called him to just help him out some it was very interesting to me because it shows what kind of leader MSL was and it was something this team took for granted and I now understand why AV didn't take him out of the lineup if he did that he would take his leadership out of the locker room and bench. MSL retires and that void was never replaced, the thing is how do you replace it, you can get lucky and get a Messier, but often times its done by maturity growing into the position for the team. McD was given the C because he was the teams best player that wasn't a goalie mistake one you don't have to give your best player the C in order to lead. I remember Sather once saying how he went to the locker room to get the Oil ready before a game and they were already ready to go Messier took care of it, he didn't wear the C at this point he was just a leader. Wrath is a leader but not in a position to lead and that's a problem. The teams largest problem is something that can't be addressed easily via UFA or via trade. they brought in Staal I believe to fill the leadership vacancy but the problem with him is he's not vocal he led by example and he can't do that any more. AV is already padding the built in excuse for failure next season by stating there needs to be big changes but it can't be done, which means more of the same next year.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 10:34 am EST

FWIW: it's also worth noting RF, momentum or lack there of. Half the teams defense was puttering with injuries. That doesn't make excuses for the overall unit because it's issues were deeper. But they never seemed to be able to get the group together all season for very long. I mean, in some ways Boyle, Yandle and Klein were your most reliable options Not very deep. One of the things that needs to be addressed next season as well as nothing else is durability. And this is something that goes up to the Captain as well. A guy who seems to have trouble staying on the ice with injuries. But maybe worse he seems to constantly be playing thru injuries.

E


Fri May 6 2016 10:28 am EST

If you are looking for a good replay of spring hockey check out the Nashville-SJ game last night, an absolute classic. I think it's been one of the best playoff games in the NHL played by teams not the NYR in a few seasons. Weber played 50-minutes. Too bad someone had to finally win. Although the NHL did show us once again it's absolute stupidity when they took a game winning goal away from Pavelski for scoring a goal before touching the goaltender. The league's zebras continues to be an adventure.

E


Fri May 6 2016 10:18 am EST

york: Yeah, that's a valid point. His issues are systematic - that is a reflection of the entire team underachieving. I guess that's all a symptom of a lack of leadership on the team and that failing starts with the coach. McD is guilty here, too, like it or not (because he wears the C and I believe that still has meaning/significance - or should). In McD's defense, (ha - pun not intended) as you've cited a few times, there appears to a void overall in leadership that was created with the departures of BR and MSL. That's on the GM. Bottom line is that everyone shares in the blame here, but some are more culpable than others. I wonder what Gorton (and job for life) are thinking - do they recognize this? They should - they are a heck of lot closer to things than we are and we can see it. Guess we're gonna start to find out next month....

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 10:17 am EST

Stevie: my French is somewhat like a 4-year old. After all, I spent a semester in France while being a fake. And if you wanna get laid in France, you gotta take interest in French. But what stands out in that article to me is a walking back on "changes" made to the team. He states to the effect: change is coming of course. That's what happens when you lose. But a big change could be difficult because there is a ceiling financially to what a team can spend." He also never was worried about being fired and was given a vote of confidence fit away after the season by the players and management. Then it talked about how easily coaches and GMs can be out in this league these days. Take for example, Bob Hartley. The rest of the article gave me a headache. But it states basically what we knew was true. AV ain't going anywhere. It's gonna be hard to make wholesale changes to the team.

E


Fri May 6 2016 10:12 am EST

RF Here is the thing Zuch is not OV he's not a one man show if his line disappears hard for a 5-7 guy to do it on his own.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 9:50 am EST

Agreed Zuke was another in a long line of disappointments this year. Remember back in mid-fall he was leading the team in scoring and in the top 10 in scoring in the entire league. It wasn't a fluke either - his play reflected his numbers. I recall thinking and posting that perhaps this was his coming out season - a little older than most 4th year players, but finally getting the big picture. Then like so many of his mates, he simply disappeared to the point where in many games he was hardly noticeable, except for his defensive gaffes. Inexplicable. And very disappointing. What will it take to get him back to where he was last fall and actually sustain that level of compete and effectiveness? Is it even possible? For sure I'd entertain the notion of dealing him but certainly not in a firesale mode. If he goes, he needs to bring value back IMO.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 9:47 am EST

God. Sorry I can't even decipher that last message. Damn autocorrect. Basically i don't have a top 4 but if I have to pick it would probably be McD (with less responsibility ) Stepan (if he was the 2nd line center ) Skjei. (Showed promise) and mcilrath( won't make it here)

KIS


Fri May 6 2016 9:42 am EST

Favorite 4 in no particular order: Hank/Undertaker/Miller/Zucc (who I had to pick since I named my dog after him).

ges999


Fri May 6 2016 9:40 am EST

ZUCC: the fans of almost every team ZUUUUCCCCC when we come to town, I think he's a keeeeper....

mf


Fri May 6 2016 9:37 am EST

Shattenkirk vs Yandle.... Yandle costs you nothing but money, Shattenkirk is going to cost players & OR picks & OR prospects..... Being the greedy NY'er that I am, why can't we have both??? Will ST.Louis want Nash? Will not know for sure until the PO's play out.... Nash & we eat some salary may bend their ear some more... As for Shittenkirk being Yankle-lite, listed at 5'11" 207lbs, that guy is built way more like Clutterbuck than an agile 6'1" 190lbs Yankle.... Man would I like to see both a RHS & LHS offensive threat on the back line that is NOT 39 years old..... IF we move Nash, Girardi, and one of McD or Staal (pickem, my choice would be Staal but he's bound to be more difficult to move) we can easily afford both..... With Buchnevich coming in at an entry level cap hit, we can afford additional salary whether returns from trade or the UFA market..............SHATTENKIRK..http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6219 .................. YANKLE: .......http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4859

mf


Fri May 6 2016 9:24 am EST

eyes are bleeding, ay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19sAewJH22I

mf


Fri May 6 2016 9:24 am EST

eyes are bleeding, ay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19sAewJH22I

mf


Fri May 6 2016 9:09 am EST

KIS.....I thought I was the only one that thought Zucc was overrated...I agree with you 100% on that. Love to move him but hes cheap.....and I'm not sure what he could fetch.

MelvilleFred


Fri May 6 2016 8:33 am EST

I truly don't have a top 4. To many of the players Frustrate me. I love the team I don't like many of the players. In the past I liked guys like gabby or a Callahan. Maybe McD. Can't fault he m the coach giv s him way to much responsibility. I like Skjei Klein stepan ( smart player that should be a second that we would all love him ) and wrath.( kid is good but won't make it here😁) Nash is frustrating be jade he doesn't do thanything one thing h is paid so much to do and kreider is frustrating but cause he is just stupid. Not his fault just how he is made. So my top 4. McD , Stepan ; McIlrath, Skjei really don't lik zucc. Way over rated

KIS


Fri May 6 2016 8:25 am EST

Brassard also playing.

ges999


Fri May 6 2016 8:21 am EST

GENE I think teams like the Rangers can hide while losing like you said the fanbase always remains loyal. You look at other markets and that just isn't the case teams are forced to put a winner on the ice or at least look like they are trying their hardest to do it. That's why you never see a generational player end up in a market like NY well not until their career is on the downside at least...............................RF I wondered about Yandle and being moved only because you lose Boyle yeah addition by subtraction but still its one less guy, then you know you're losing Yandle, unless they had some secret where they knew he'd be coming back at a reasonable rate, then you had to look at Girardi at the very least and say something needs to be done there. That's half your defense which was supposed to be the bolt that holds the anchor (Hank) to the chain. Your supposed strongest element of your team and half of it will be gone or should be, that's not even addressing Staal. Very odd way they are doing things, you then get AV saying they wanted to give this group one last chance to win a cup, this group and they? Well to me that's a forgone conclusion that AVs job was safe and that it was on the players all along. The problem is he follows that up with veiled comments about salary caps and obviously NTC etc and how it won't be easy to make major changes. If it won't be easy to make major changes and you call out 3/4 of your remaining starting D that's a problem. I don't think this will be a retool and back to the conference/cup finals I think this is now going to be what Gorton can turn lemons into will it be lemonade or shit stew.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 8:14 am EST

US vs Canada streaming on NBC Sports. Brady Skjei should be playing.

ges999


Fri May 6 2016 7:55 am EST

You know something that's fallen by the wayside when it comes to Gorton and his decisions this year is the fact that he didn't trade Yandle at the deadline which basically doubles the impact of moving 2 seconds for Staal. It would make no sense of course to make the latter move and trade Yandle. But if he'd recognized his team for what it is (was) like many of us did, he'd still have those 2nd rounders and perhaps even a first rounder. I wonder how long it will be before Dolans announces he's so enamoured with his latest architect a second job for life offer exists.

RF4L


Fri May 6 2016 7:46 am EST

Let's face it, the long and short of it is the management of this team is mediocre at best. Their moves have been akin to playing a single color black or red on the roulette table. Sometime you win but over the long haul you go home broke. There is absolutely no reason to believe this ship will be righted in the near future. I believe the root cause is the fanatically loyal fan base that supports any collection of players thrown on the ice wearing a Ranger jersey. There is more rational insight on this board (as well as some nonsense) than anything shown by the chief deciders. If the owner was not just a fortunate son and had to work for a living the house cleaning would start from the top down. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

gene_carr


Fri May 6 2016 6:56 am EST

Funny thing is I guess he didn't mention Boyle because he's gone, he didn't mention Yandle because he's probably gone as well and he can control the fate of if Yandle stays or goes to some extent. The other three isn't as easy, I don't think he wants to dump McD but I wouldn't be shocked to see him want one of Staal or Girardi gone.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 6:43 am EST

AV seems to have issue with the D and he made a veiled outing of the three he had problems with using maybe it was because they were injured but he blamed those three. He didn't bring up other names at all. One of those three are probably going, maybe even two of those three. You have two guys ready to step in Skeij and Wrath who each play a side of at least 1 of those three. Should be interesting to say the least what they do, but obviously he wants to transition out of the D faster which means a change in D, Boyle is gone, Yandle is probably gone then at least one of those three will probably be gone.

York18


Fri May 6 2016 6:36 am EST

and I hope weknow follows Dan Boyle before the end of the next season....and is no longer the coach of the nyr.....he sounds like gabby purple dummy Hayes...i did good....it's the d's fault....

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 6:31 am EST

Several coaches become unemployed these days, but this will not be the case of Alain Vigneault. Even if his Rangers suffered a rather quick exit in the first round of the playoffs against the Pittsburgh Penguins, Quebec coach will be back at the helm of the team next season. "I had a discussion with the management of the club, and starting, I was told that you wanted to I'll be back next season, said Vigneault, in an telephone interview with La Presse. "So let's all take a step back after our elimination and there will be, all members of the leadership, in Palm Springs next week, to see a bit where it is. '' "Expected better". Although rumors of dismissal circulated following the rapid release of the New York Rangers, Vigneault said that he has never been afraid of losing his position as far. "I don't dwell not in these cases there...". There are 82 games in a season, in addition to the series, and you can't put you to think about your fate after each match. After a defeat, we forget everything and thought rather to adjustments that should be. In this regard, it has still managed to have a season of 101 points. It's a good season, but expected better than this series. We wanted to give our group a last opportunity. Now must look at everything." "It is sure that there will be changes. I do not know if we can talk about big changes, because in today's reality, it's hard to make big changes. With the salary cap, it is not realistic to think like that." When asked to clarify about these 'changes', Vigneault wants too much to add. «This isn't for disrespect you, but this is a discussion that I have with the direction internally...» But I can say one thing: I would have liked to see a better game of transition on the part of our defense. It seemed that our defenders were committing more turnovers, in addition to offering opportunities to score in the opponent. Maybe it's because of injuries to Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi and Marc Staal? They have struggled to find their rhythm." Stay on top That the driver of the Rangers note, it is that things change quickly in this League. The most recent winner of the trophy Jack-Adams, Bob Hartley, was fired early in the week by the Calgary Flames ("it is not less competent than 12 months ago", wishes to emphasize), and advanced teams struggling to stay on top. "Two years ago, we beat the Canadian before losing in the final against the [Los Angeles] Kings... The Canadian has missed the series, and the Kings, like us, have not survived in the first round,"says Vigneault. Finally, one making his first steps in the NHL in Montreal, at the end of the 1990s, expressed surprised at the recent exit of Dan Boyle. It should be remembered that veteran Defender pique anger against two members of the media in the locker room of the Rangers, following the elimination of the team. That one, Vigneault admits that he has not seen coming. "It is a lesson for me, for our whole team," said Vigneault. It's disappointing, because Dan had a very nice career, he won the Stanley Cup with Tampa Bay, and there, what people will remember, is this incident. What happened with him, that much surprised us. It's a shame, and I hope that people will remember his career first and foremost."

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 6:25 am EST

I am not the biggest fan of Klein, think he is a bit of weak player with the puck.

Ola


Fri May 6 2016 6:24 am EST

Fav 5: 1. Dom Moore 2. Hank 3. McD 4. Zucc 5. Brass

Ola


Fri May 6 2016 6:14 am EST

RF4L ROFLMAO I thought that a couple days ago, I said Shattenkirk is going to be in for a rough one if he comes here. As for the Refs I think this league needs a reeducation program for these guys. Unless this is the mandate and they are inept on purpose. As for Gorton and Sather suck, I don't know if they suck but if they don't figure out a way to fix these problem they certainly will and quick. Backes will get like 2-3 mil somewhere.,,,,HOSPO funny the two guys mentioned by everyone are the only two guys who stick up for players on this team.......................BOB You're wrong sorry those can't be your favorite four there is just no way you don't have Girardi in there I'm not buying it.................WIOSA You think two seconds and a prospect is a 13 goal scorer? WOW! You would think the Rangers will get 3 firsts and a prospect for Nash then, at least 2 firsts for Girardi. Staal will not resign here, that was a bad deal why? What was he brought in for, Leadership? He's not known as a vocal leader, he was known as a lead by example leader and he can't play at that level any more, was he brought in for his scoring? You'd be a fool to think that if you watched him play at all this last year, was he brought in to help address the speed issue of the team? Sure, if it was to make the team slower! The worst part is first you say he was brought in hopes he would find his scoring touch again, now it's okay if he's just what he is, which is it because either way it was a bad deal...................You'd have a better chance of picking up the clean side of a shit biscuit................STEVIE that's not encouraging to say the least. He obviously isn't on the chopping block after all..................RF after what stevie just said my guess is Wrath is moved before AV goes and it will probably be at the draft

York18


Fri May 6 2016 6:13 am EST

Bob..LOL, sorry, got into a zone. Do that from time to time..old age ya know?

WIOSA


Fri May 6 2016 5:14 am EST

i haven't been able to translate it, but gorton has that blanket of brains that won't cover a flea's ass if that was the first thing they said.....what else they they say to him?...if they didn't give him any constructive criticism, and are just blaming the players, next season will be worse then the one that just ended.......http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/201605/05/01-4978313-un-vote-de-confiance-pour-alain-vigneault.php

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 5:10 am EST

In an interview with La Presse’s Richard Labbe, Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said, in French, that upon speaking with the Rangers’ front office, “first thing they said is they wanted me back next year.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/06/rangers-coach-alain-vigneault-ill-be-back/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#sthash.fZFaIKlT.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 4:27 am EST

if brains were a blanket you wouldn't have enough to cover a flea's ass... My cousin...not vinny ...

stevielegs


Fri May 6 2016 2:11 am EST

LOL, Hospo, not hospital. Sorry Buddy, using a new virtual keyboard.

hipcheck


Fri May 6 2016 2:09 am EST

Hospital, -- Lundqvist, Miller, McIlrath & Kreider. Honorable Mention to Zuccarello, Klein & Skjei.

hipcheck


Fri May 6 2016 1:25 am EST

History shows again and again How nature points out the folly of men Godzilla

E


Thu May 5 2016 11:27 pm EST

Handsome Dick Manitoba........later of The Dictators and currently a cab driver in NYC.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 11:22 pm EST

Your ears will melt, and then your eyes.....Eric Bloom

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 11:21 pm EST

Another corrupt decision by the NHL. The ref clearly waved the goal off saying that Pavelski hit the puck in with his hand. When that turned out to be ab=n error, they defaulted to the bogus goaltender interference call. What a compete joke.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 10:57 pm EST

E: Always the sage voice of reason. BTW.....Paul Martin: Woof.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 10:56 pm EST

Your eyes are bleeding because you're being educated by the presence of genius. Just don't fight it. Take it all in.

E


Thu May 5 2016 10:33 pm EST

Yorkie, if Eric leaves then yes, youre correct the trade was not good, if he stays, and produces like he did last season (not years ago, just last season) then it was a good deal. Yandle inproved our PP from 26 to 14th. Not the best, but a large improvement. He's got 42 or 45 assists, not too shabby for a dman. He's a keeper if we can manage it. I repeat, I doubt highty that rookie Duclair wouldve seen the ice time he's seeing in Arizona....ALL no dog in the fight our west, but I think if I had to choose Id pick St. Louis......Wish I knew what direction the Rangers were going in. What seemed to me like the last of our two year window - in the beginning of this season - went rapidly to a window slamming shut on our elimination with an OBVIOUS burn it to the ground - now is a big ??. Can we really tweak this team? I dont think so...wish I was a fly on the wall.

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 10:29 pm EST

HOSPO--I think Raanta is a likeable guy. Not a vote against Henrik. I like him just fine, but he is just not top 4. Klein, warts and all is my current favorite guy. I like McD too.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 10:25 pm EST

BTW, not sure what's more impressive: Brett Burns' play this PO or his facial hair/look!!

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 10:25 pm EST

BOB - Cool..Funny thing..12 Selections..and more people like Raanta (2) compared to The King (1)

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:23 pm EST

Hospo - and if that doesn't tell us where the fans' collective mindset is, dunno what does!

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 10:23 pm EST

My 4 favorite Rangers Klein, Miller, Raanta and McIlrath. Unless YOrk says I am wrong.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 10:16 pm EST

RF4L - Good point..It's why I kept it at 4...I personally coulnd't think of anybody else i really cared about all that much

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:15 pm EST

RF4L - Didn't say I would throw money at him, just that I like him..Sign him before E. Staal easily...Still, Rangers can't give out big contracts this off season to over 30's...gotta play it real smart and add some more young talent (not picks or prospects) if they can

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:14 pm EST

Hospo: Re your survey - perhaps you should equate no response to no favourites....

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 10:12 pm EST

Hospo: Yes, get your point. Backes is 32 and on the downside of his career - precisely the sort of aging vet Ranger management loves to throw gobs of money at.

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 10:11 pm EST

Stil like to hear more votes omn FOUR Favorite RANGERs...11 Votes so far..Only Klein and Mcilrath named by all...So many top players with big fat zeros

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:09 pm EST

RF4L - When is the last time Dom Moore score two OT winners in a Cup Season? I like Backes alot, prick job and all.......As I'm writing theis,CODY EAKIN with the OT winner..2-2 Dallas and St. Louis...Love the way Dallas is fighting without SEGUIN

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:08 pm EST

Yessss....Dallas wins...

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 9:41 pm EST

BTW, Backes is a prickjob...that said, I would be interested in signing him this summer at about $1,000,000 per as Dom Moore's replacement. Of course that won't happen because some idiot GM (maybe LA's) will have a hard-on for his size and bullying attitude and ignore his lack of skill and give him a stupid contract offer.

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 9:36 pm EST

Bob: That reminds me of the saying 'I've got blisters on my fingers...'

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 9:35 pm EST

So watching some of the Stars/Blues game and beyond the obvious issues (ridiculously inept officiating - thank you Gary Phuck-U), not getting the allure of Shattenkirk. He's like Yandle-way lite and I can easily envision his nickname on here quickly being Shittenkirk...

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 9:33 pm EST

This place is making my eyes bleed lately.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 9:28 pm EST

York: OK...so how's this: Gorton SUCKS. Sather SUCKS WORSE. Feel better now?

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 9:26 pm EST

WIOSA I like Yandle but that was too much to give up for him and he won't be back despite your uplifting upbeat attitude he will walk come July 1 for big money rightfully so.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 9:25 pm EST

E, not all of us are as classy (cough) fake as you..............................................WIOSA really a good player scores more than 13 goals and I don't care what he used to do he was on the decline and it was obvious much like MSL his second year here. I don't care what he did two three four years ago I care about what he's currently doing, his own team removed him from his position and then dropped him to a lower line to boot and this was a non playoff team which speaks volumes about his play. It remains to be seen if he plays here next season? Are you kidding me, he's not coming back and even though I don't want him back I also don't blame him. He was all but treated like crap by AV and he shouldn't be back Again how was the deal good please show me what good came of him coming here, please I would love to read it because it will be comical at best because no good came of him coming here. The team played the same, got spanked in the first round and what is there to show for it? Nothing other than losing two picks and a prospect for nothing yup great deal. Next you're going to say the Clowe deal was a good one too right? The Yandle deal was good, he improved the PP? For what a month? Jesus I wonder if you just fall in love with gushing instead of actually thinking about what you're posting. The PP sucked for 90% of the time he was here he didn't do anything to make this team better, he cost the team a first a second duclair and not that I missed him but John Moore. Sorry that deal was a loser and he will walk come july 1 but good thing we got rid of those pesky picks and prospects they were only weighing the Rangers down. I mean seriously what could the Rangers have done with a guy like Duclair who only scored 20 stinking goals I mean seriously what did they need those goals for when they could then go out and spend two second rounders and a prospect to get a player to play wing who only scored 13 LMAO two great deals you're right I stand corrected.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 7:54 pm EST

York, Sather was the GM, if he allowed Gorton to make a deal, he had to approve it. Was it discussed that he would be Sathers' successor upon his retirement from the General Managers job? No dobut. That said, the GM of the Ducks had no reason to lie, neither did Sather. You believe what you want. Im repeating what I saw in pictures, hear on video and read in print. YOU are telling me somethiing that was told to you. That's fine. You can believe what you want, I have no issue with that. The Eric Staal deal was good becuase he is a better than decent player. Yes this season he was not playing well, but in prior years the man was a 20-30 goal scorer. It was a gamble that a change of atmosphere mught revived him, that he might thrive on the PO experience, and actually he didnt play poorly...but like all our players lately, he didnt score. It remains to be seen if he plays here next season and if he produces. Yandle was a good deal, I like the player, I think he improved our PP, and he is an exciting high risk offensive Dman, we knew that when we got him. I like the player, he should be resigned. NFW were we going to give Duclair the time he gets in Arizona. The first rounder this year is an 'ouch' but I think the player is worth it. Top it off the Coyotes paid HALF of the man's salary. MSL acquisition was a good one, but the trade was lopsided and typical Sather (imho). He was in the drivers seat, and let the passenger dictate the direction. As always, MHO.

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 7:48 pm EST

Drop this frog... Very nice... Keeping it classy...

E


Thu May 5 2016 7:35 pm EST

WIOSA The difference between you and I is I don't believe, I don't fabricate stories in my mind if you haven't figured out after all these years that when I say something big as fact and it is not a known fact that is because I know it as fact from very reliable people. The Defacto GM no, he ran lead on a few deals when Sather ran into GMs who didn't want to deal with him, did he walk hand and hand with Sather absolutely is he, or was he some puppet not a chance. Like I said he had a few outs before taking the job here and he didn't take them because he knew what he had here already. Why would he have turned down interviews for GMs jobs when he wasn't the GM in NY yet? Any reasonable person can figure that out I shouldn't have to draw a map. So Staal was a gamble that didn't work, but isn't that what every deadline deal is a gamble that you hope works? Let me ask you why was this a good deal per say? What about this was a good deal, is Eric Staal a defensive specialist?No, Was he dropped from his position because he wasn't producing on a team that didn't even make the playoffs? Yes, this is a guy that scored 13 goals and played 83 games since he ended up playing for two teams, he has been on a steady decline the last 5 years so what he was going to come to NY and return to his 40 goal form coming here? This was his worst offensive output since his rookie year. They gave up two second rounders and a prospect for a player on the downside of his career not smart GMing. The MSL was worth it because it brought a cup finals appearance and without him it wouldn't have, the Yandle deal was not even close to worth it and neither was the Staal deal, neither of those trades brought anything to this team that helped it win.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 7:12 pm EST

Yorkie, No, I do NOT believe Sather was crying over Haggy as that is not what I said, the GM of the Ducks said, or Sather said. He was trying to deal him, Murray heard his name, and approached SATHER, not Gorton. I have no reason to believe this is not true. You do because you want to beleive that Gorton was the defacto GM. Know what? Doesnt matter - the GM officially was Sather, so if he delegated, like if I delegated in my job or you did in yours...HE WAS STILL RESPONSIBLE. It was his deal. MSL was Sathers deal. You want to believce differently then go ahead, I dont. I dont have an agenda, I dont like the upper managment of this team - DOLAN; and as the Godfather said "A fish rots from the head down" Eric Staal was a gamble by Gorton to try and get yet another line going. It didnt work. He really was limited to what he could do then. He paid a second round pick in 16 and one in 17. Im not going to speculate that if he had a first rounder he wouldve paid it. They took on some of Erics salary, I didnt read how much...if you did - fine. The deal by most analysts reviews, was a good one. It didnt pan out because there is absolutely no chemistry on this team anymore. And Eric fit right in. He was also played out of position. I have my opinion of who was running the Rangers up until Gorton was named, Sather, and you have yours. Either way, the MSL deal was worth it, but they paid too much. The Yandle deal was worth it, the Staal deal was worth it. That is MHO.

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 6:56 pm EST

WIOSA two second round picks because the Rangers had no first to deal this year, for a guy who did what exactly and had done what all year? A questionable fin prospect who I will bet you will be playing for carolina in the next two seasons. They took on part of his salary how much was left this isn't a Yandle case where oh wait guess what they also took on his salary sound familiar? Carolina took on a few 100 grand towards a few weeks. As for the Yandle deal over paid said it then say it now, as for the MSL deal again I will say this since you can't seem to get it Sather did not do that deal Gorton did but hey you're the same person who believes Sather was sitting on draft day crying about Hags and was over heard by the ducks who swept in to help so I really don't know what to tell you because you believe BS like that but not the things staring you in the face.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 6:47 pm EST

Bhavik Patel ‏@bhavikp27 Apr 26.... #KHL Moscow Pavel Valentenko may sign a deal with #Rangers. They currently own his rights. He was involved in the McDonagh-Gomez trade. #NHL.... http://sportbo.ru/news/157758/

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 6:27 pm EST

searching for news on valetenko i came across this. man, did our pipeline runneth over. http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530227. are you guys sure that valetenko thing isnt old? the article shows a date of 2010.

bLUEbLOOD


Thu May 5 2016 5:43 pm EST

Im not so sure the Staal deal was the same as Sathers deals. Eric cost us a second round pick in 2016, and a second round pick in 2017, plus a questionable Finish prospect. Carolina also retained part of his salary. Really...that wasnt a bad deal at all. The Yandle deal I didnt mind so much, but we did pay more. As for the MSL deal? i didnt mind trying to get us over the hump, but what Sather paid was ridiculous. EVERYONE knew that MSL would not play for Yzerman one more day, and that he would only go to the Rangers, we were in the drivers seat. Sather just gave that to the Bolts. I couldnt believe it. As always JMHO

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 5:29 pm EST

that should say trade deadline deal

York18


Thu May 5 2016 5:24 pm EST

RF4L Dude you need to just stop. You're starting to look ridiculous. Gorton had a list of teams looking to take him as their GM why would he stay in NY if he didn't have the actual power of his position? I have told you and showed you many occasions where Gorton has been running the show but you just hate Sather so much that you refuse to believe it. Funny how Gorton is in charge and the draft deadline deal looks exactly like the last three that GORTON actually ran. Staal for two high draft picks and a prospect that is ready to step in sooner than later. They look just like the Yandle and MSL deals which he also ran. This is Gorton get used to it and if you think as the assistant GM who Sather relied on to run the day to days wasn't part of hiring AV you're delusional. You act like Gorton came in from another team and was just hired and he can't change things because Sather did them, not the case he was party or head man on the last three years and its no surprise AV is still here because Gorton was party to him being hired.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 4:44 pm EST

AV is a Sather hire and he probably protected him. I remained convinced Sather's fingers are still all over what the Rangers do. Hopefully I'm wrong and that'll become obvious as early as the June draft when Gorton trades away a significant player or 2 that Sather brought in. I ain't holding my breath, however.

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 4:42 pm EST

So boys and girls, who goes first? AV or McI?

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 4:21 pm EST

just the fact they told him to come back should be a message enough for weknow since he's still under contract ...hopefully he can read between the lines...and my fingers ...he didn't get a contract extension...if he did, then they would prove to be dumber than him....what a real disappointment...no cup until he's gone....

stevielegs


Thu May 5 2016 4:15 pm EST

my prediction,, veengotogo is gone before Christmas.....guess Hank didn't throw him under sather's bus ....

stevielegs


Thu May 5 2016 4:11 pm EST

Well, Raffi Diaz's day - and 2016-17 outlook - just got a helluva lot better! I'm ordering a jersey today before they jack up the prices for bandwagon fans.

LeoS


Thu May 5 2016 4:00 pm EST

Still no word from the NYR about Buchnevich's surgery. It makes me suspect that they had no idea it was happening. Usually a team will send out a tweet or issue a press release that it was successful, etc. All of the beat writers are out currently covering the NYI in the playoffs and it's starting to feel like August when they all go on vacation.... http://fulltiltnyr.com/rangers-prospect-pavel-buchnevich-elbow-surgery/

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 3:59 pm EST

One bad outing? One awful year should..but hey Ranger ownership has been bamboozled for a long time.....He'll be gone by mid year unless he drastically changes his ways and strategy,,..That's if a Cup means anything...Mcilrath to EDM pr Winnipeg will be the first move...

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 3:57 pm EST

Rhet gee what a shocker I guess another year of sucking before they drop this frog.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 3:45 pm EST

Sorry to crush any hopes, but.... Per Per Richard Labbe of La Presse.... head coach Alain Vigneault received a vote of confidence from management, and was told the team wants him back next year. This isn’t much of a surprise, as one bad outing usually doesn’t cost a coach his job. That said, Vigneault’s leash is almost certainly shorter, as “his guys” got steamrolled throughout the season. Changes are needed on the ice, but these changes begin off the ice. But don’t be expecting any coaching changes this year.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 3:28 pm EST

YORK - Thanks for the input/POV..I gave up following the draft after I screamed and screamed for JESSIMAN and got him! :)..........FAVORITE RANGERS??? Nobody to vote for Hayes? Stepan? Fast? even MCD??

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 3:13 pm EST

OLA Dawes has made a career for himself over in the KHL he was a goal scorer everywhere but the NHL he just doesn't have the wheels for it. The larger ice surface allows him to find that lane and get that laser of a shot off. He's one of the few north americans that can rest easy about their job status in Russia he's a pretty much a go to guy there.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 3:11 pm EST

BOB If the Rangers have been that bad how have the won more playoff hockey then all those teams mentioned the last six years and played better period? Sorry but that's just hyperbole because they played bad this year............RHET JJ is very good the problem is he hasn't scored a goal in the playoffs in like 6 years not exactly good for any team looking at making a long playoff run he gets too tired by seasons end. Staal or McD I don't know but I'd say Staal would be the better bet.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 3:05 pm EST

Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris...... Jaromir Jagr's extension is for $4M in base salary with a possible $1.5M in games played bonuses.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 3:04 pm EST

HOSPO Truth is I don't or should say haven't followed prospects with the same level of interest since the Rangers stopped drafting LMAO with that said the truth is this I personally would have zero interest trading into the draft this year. Well the top ten that is. The Rangers are not getting into the top three picks and truth is if they can't I have very little interest and here is why this is a very D and wing heavy high draft Matthews is the only real center of interest IMO in the top ten. Nylander is a wing who likes to pass but his skating is why he's on the wing IMO and at wing the team is backed up. Tkachuk is interesting on wing bloodlines and an in your face scorer but not something I would look to trade a haul for. Dubois is likely the only center to go in the top ten not named matthews and again skating is an issue and if you are moving up to four I think you should be looking to pick a player that is going to step in next year not in a couple years. Mcleod interests me but I don't think he's going until between 10-15 and again a player I don't think steps in right away. Brown is kind of like Hayes in terms of raw ability, Keller has the tools but at 5-9 I don't see him being a number one pivot and he's not stepping in anywhere next year he's going to BU and that means a few years away. The kid is not getting taller but will fill out some and get stronger but I don't think you give up all that for a player like him, Jost is a player I would like to see but again another guy going to college and won't be around for a while so you'd be giving up a haul for a plyer that might not be around for 3-5 years and if at all with what happens to college players. I just don't get all giddy because a center is what this team needs and none are worth giving up a haul for in this draft. If Nash can be traded for a 10-15 pick I'd do it but I don't see anyone giving up a top 10-15 pick for Nash any more.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 3:01 pm EST

Ola; Who is his center ? Borat ? Lol

stepunmytoe


Thu May 5 2016 2:27 pm EST

TXRanger... Outside of one solid playoff run, the guy regularly implodes in the postseason. IMO, it wont be that easy to determine his value ....TD... I would love to see a Tank part deux (now he doesn't need to share the nickname either... no more V-tank). It would also mean we would have to find a new home for M. Staal.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 2:21 pm EST

I got tired of Tort's shtick and the boring style the Rangers played, but he sure did get the most out of his players. Well, other than Gaborik anyway.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 2:18 pm EST

Not sure if there's been any chatter about this, but if I'm the Pen's GM, I'm shopping MA Fleury this summer. They seem to have his replacement, and it could be a nice return. Seems more likely than Lundquist to the Stars, for example. Four favorite Rangas: after this recent playoffs, it's actually hard to put anyone on the list, but: Miller, Klein, Zuc, Moore (although he might be fading). Nash, hate to say, is on the bottom of the list. I hope Krieder, McI, and Lundquist work their way up the list. For me, the main factor is determination.

TXRanger


Thu May 5 2016 2:13 pm EST

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod..... Panthers have officially re-signed Jaromir Jagr to a 1 year deal

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 2:04 pm EST

Bob _ I don't buy that for all four teams when you take the entire team into account..Better coached and managtd THIS YEAR? For sure.and that changes everything....Not sure about the other two....AV and the Rangers had zero clue how to use their personnel this year....Hell, look waht the Pens are getting out of Matt Cullen compared to what the Rangers got out of Eric Staal or Kevin Hayes for that matter...it's not the talent....And the Caps have looked every biot as bewildered as the Rangers agasint the Penguins

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 1:50 pm EST

Face it........when you watch Caps-Penguins, you are watching 2 teams that are far deeper, more talented and better coached and general managed than the Rangers. Same with St. Louis and San Jose.

Bob


Thu May 5 2016 1:16 pm EST

Haha, Nigel Dawes will play in the WCHs, for Kazahkstan!

Ola


Thu May 5 2016 12:59 pm EST

E... Without a 1st round pick, I really don't see it happening either.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 12:56 pm EST

LEOS - If they do, they are in trouble...Definitely could be some validity to what you say about being "dog tired" but....the teams in the EAST made a lot of changes over the past year (either FAs, trades or bringing up kids) where many are now as fast/quick or even quicker than the Rangers...and also play all out......It was obvious during the season..What that means is that the Ranges have to get much faster as a team and/or have to add other elements where you once again become a team and play as one..That's the biggie...zero chemistry last year ...while other teams gained...the Rangers feel back..not becasue the players got slower but becase the lack of chemistry always had them in chaos and hesitating....Honestly, I think some serious new team building has to be done for the Rangers ever to have a chance in the near fututre..

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 12:52 pm EST

Add Klein as 4a

MelvilleFred


Thu May 5 2016 12:49 pm EST

My $0.02 Cents 1)Kreider 2)J.T. Miller 3) McIlrath 4) Raanta

MelvilleFred


Thu May 5 2016 12:47 pm EST

No one will ever use or accept it as en excuse, but looking at this past season, I think they were just plain tired ("Dog tired, boss", The Green Mile) from years of long playoff runs (+/- Torts brutal shot-block style). Didn't have the mental or physical energy to play a complete game, nor to turn it up during the playoffs, let alone face a team on fire. Now my fear is management maybe thinks the same thing, looks at our points and imagines What If from more or less the same squad, fresh next season...faced with the amount of not-easily-movable contract baggage we have, it'd certainly be tempting for Gorton/Sather to embrace that view.

LeoS


Thu May 5 2016 12:39 pm EST

E/RF4L - I don't pay much attention to the NHL draft anymore...but...if you guys are thinking about trading for the #4 pick, what is the thought on how good that player is supposed to be....Is the 4th player likely to be that good and that much better than 5 - 10 or 5 -15? Why I ask is becasue I saw a damn good player during the POs in Brady Skeji and I don't know if I would deal him for anything other than a sure-fire offensive star.....Hayes and many other rnagers are another matter

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 12:38 pm EST

E I don't think the Oil want G even if the Rangers ate salary..................Hospo Wrath also seems ot be on everyones list....................RF If Val can come back he will be a fan favorite here quick.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 12:36 pm EST

Klein Zucc Wrath Miller and Skjei. And whoever fires AV, or convinces him to resign, I'm not picky :)

LeoS


Thu May 5 2016 12:27 pm EST

I think that in order to move to #4 is gonna take a serious package. Start with Skjei (and that's probably not a high enough rated prospect) McIlrath/Lindberg/Fast + Girardi (eating salary.) I just don't see it happening.

E


Thu May 5 2016 12:26 pm EST

TD: I think it's more than reasonable to muse that if there's interest from both parties (the Rangers to shop and the Canes to buy) Marc Staal would waive his NMC to go to Carolina, especially if that's where Eric wants to return.

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 12:24 pm EST

Newman: Yes, but M Staal likely won't waive his NMC to go there. Unless Eric is interested in signing there, too.

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 12:24 pm EST

Mine 4 are: McI, Miller, KK, and VALENTENKO!

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 12:18 pm EST

Anyone think a M. Stall & Hayes (or something similar) to Edm for the #4 could be feasible?

Newman


Thu May 5 2016 12:08 pm EST

Good Stuff on the Favorite Ranger...Keep it coming....It's early, but KLEIN and MZA way ahead....and zero love for Brass, Stepm McD, Staal, Girardi, etc....

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 12:06 pm EST

Another season of failure all but guaranteed...I told you the longer it went the less likely it would be that Veengottago went...Now we have two chompers...Cigars and gum...I can't stand these guys!

RF73


Thu May 5 2016 12:01 pm EST

Hospo: Klein, Zucc and McIlrath. I can't come up with a fourth player that I like right now. Can I put Benoit Allaire on my list?

VtRanger


Thu May 5 2016 11:59 am EST

Klein, Zuch, Miller, Wrath

RF73


Thu May 5 2016 11:44 am EST

Kreider, Zucc, Klein, Big Mac and Stalberg

Fotiu22


Thu May 5 2016 11:44 am EST

Hospo..1. Klein, 2. Nash, 3. Zuuc, 4. Hank...honorable mention Dylan.

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 11:35 am EST

TD I don't think Staal is heading back to Carolina. I could be wrong but I just don't think they want to pay him.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 11:34 am EST

TD that's why this is hockey and not doubles tennis because it takes a team to win a cup and fankly Fleury has caused some playoff failure for them on a number of occasions but they were in back to back cups and won one of them that's one more cup than the Rangers.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 11:33 am EST

And just to throw a little more fuel on the fire…wonder if the Rangers and Canes might look to complete a deal that would send both STAALS back to the Canes. Maybe recoup at least one of the picks they used for a rental, a prospect and a good roster player.

tdchi


Thu May 5 2016 11:33 am EST

TD Tank may also see the KHL is not paying guys and thinks a paycheck in Hartford is better than none at all.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 11:29 am EST

York – We’ll see. Like I said, I stand by my prediction. Don’t see it with the Pens. And as good as MALKIN and CROSBY are, they’ve connected for exactly one cup since they were united a decade ago, and even that was by the skin of their teeth.

tdchi


Thu May 5 2016 11:27 am EST

Zucc, Klein, Miller, Kreider, McI. Suprised that no one has mentioned the name on the backs of mosy jerseys in the Garden - Henrik. If we took this "survey" 5 years ago I would have expected him to be in the top 3.....

Ranger47


Thu May 5 2016 11:25 am EST

Rhet0ric – Very interesting, if true, re: VALENTENKO. I always liked Tank when he was in Hartford. Just a rock-solid blueliner. Strong as an ox. He’s got a crankin’ shot too, not that he uses it much. Him and McILRATH on the same blueline would be absolutely terrifying for opponents…two guys who know how to check and take pleasure in doing so. I’d say Tank is a little more mobile than Mack too…but the most interesting part, if indeed the implication is that he’s coming back to the Rangers, is why? One of the reasons he left, if I’m not mistaken, was that he saw the writing on the wall and that there was little chance of him making the team with McDONAGH, STAAL and then DEL ZOTTO on the left. With SKJEI pretty much assured a starting position, I suppose this could mean there is rumbling in the organization about either Staal or McD getting moved. Pure speculation on my part, true…and based on a poorly translated(no offense) Russian article too. Still interesting to muse. He’d be a great guy to get back in the fold.

tdchi


Thu May 5 2016 11:24 am EST

I'm going to say this when it comes to coaching this whole he hasn't won anywhere he played crack is stupid. Mike Keenan was a loser when he came to NY, lost with Philly then with Chicago There are many a coach who fit the bill that AV fits you don't win till you win.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 11:18 am EST

Rhet hopefully they don't take him to glennie's house, and tell him he's not welcome. But so far he looks like he'll be back...then they'll be firing him during the season....the guy's shelf life is expired....he couldn't motivate this team to play close to their ability.....and will continue to treat the preseason as a joke, the regular season as preseason, and the playoffs as everybody gets a trophy....so don't adjust or outsmart the other coaches. HE'S NOT SMART ENOUGH and stubborn is his ways......he just doesn't have what it takes the win the cup, that's why he hasn't in all his coaching jobs.....maybe his next team will in-spite of him...HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.....

stevielegs


Thu May 5 2016 11:12 am EST

HOSPO, damn just four? I'd prefer 5 and in no order Zuch, Klein, Kreider, Miller, Wrath....................I'm shocked Fast wasn't in your top 4 obviously he was in your top 5 which is why you left it at four you didn't want anyone to know I understand LOL =)

York18


Thu May 5 2016 11:09 am EST

TD I'm sorry you and I agree on a lot but not even close on this, there is nothing special about the Pens? They have the best hockey player in the world playing there Crosby, sorry that's special. You want special? Malkin arguably one of the top four centers in the whole world is playing third line right now and they weren't even sure how to fit him into the lineup?!?!?!? Fit him in I'd give Brassard, Stepan, Nash, Hayes for Malkin to be this teams number one center forget third line center. They are a team firing on all cylinders for the last 30 games and please don't start with the bullshite of they should have played the Isles who says the Isles beat them? I find it comical when people try and act like there is an absolute to their point when it is fantasy. All the detractors of the Rangers cup run they got lucky they didn't face the Bruins they wouldn't have made it blah blah BS you don't know I don't know no one knows what the outcome would have been. You say the Pens will fall apart and their trap system won't work sounds like sour grapes to me, because you see what the Rangers should have played like and didn't. The difference here is the Pens have a very legit shot because they have world class players like Malkin and Crosby something the Rangers have lacked. I'm not a pens fan, hardly but I respect good hockey and I can appreciate a team that has bought into the system and are playing for each other that's more than I can say for the Rangers who were an absolute joke this pplayoffs. You want to turn over half the team and think that because that's done they will be a winner, doubtful, especially under AV.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 11:08 am EST

4 big mac

stevielegs


Thu May 5 2016 10:54 am EST

OK, I was thinking about this...and I am curioss.....And I'll keep track........WHO ARE YOUR FOUR FAVORITE CURRENT RANGERS?....................Don't have to be the best, doesn't have to be justified, just who you like the most for whattever damn reason....I'll start...........1) KEVIN KLEIN.......2) CHRIS KREIDER.....3)JT MILLER....4) DYLAN MCILRATH

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:50 am EST

TDCHI - OTOH, I also hear where you are coming from...Probably moreso then anybody here, I post how i FEEL about the teams and players....ofen making rationale secondary....But that's what being a fan of a team is about...Love and Hate baby!

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:27 am EST

York – To each his own. You’re right: I don’t like the Pens. But the Caps are a very almost imperceptibly close second to them in my book. Can’t stand their fair-weather fans, who happen to be among the most cocky in the league…that said, I stand by what I said. The closest you’ll get from me to agreeing with any of the Penguin lust that’s been sickeningly barfed on the Wall recently is that they DO seem to be getting break after break after break after break. And those breaks started with them meeting the Rangers instead of the Isles and AV being a coach that allowed them to absolutely breeze through the first round. Then the breaks from the refs, which haven’t stopped. Then just the flat-out lucky breaks. Sorry bud, there’s nothing special about this team other than the treatment it gets from an adoring league. And I’ve said it before, but will say it again: They’re playing a style of hockey that isn’t sustainable. There’s going to come a time when their trap style is going to bite them in the ass. This isn’t 2002. I stand by my prediction: They don’t get out of the east. And personally, I’m still not sold on whether they’ll beat the Caps. Call it nonsense or garbage or whatever. I’m not guiled by this overhyped horse’s ass of a team.

tdchi


Thu May 5 2016 10:18 am EST

Don't know how anybody can be knocking the Penguins...For the past three months they have been playing and coaching hocking that should make any fan proud and any observer from another team green with envy....Smart coaching, discipline, res[ponsibility, total team play, speed and quickness, Stars leading the way..and role players (MATTT FREAKING CULLEN) always doing gheir job...Beating more talented teams consistently with hard work that has never stopped.....it's what the Rangers had a few years ago until the Kings were just a little too big.....Same thing( not neccesarily the big trumping them) miight happen to the Pens in the next round or two.

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:12 am EST

Rhet - That's good and crappy news all in one....Good news that the Rangers will be having an organizational meeting...Crappy news that a coach like AV, who had a horrendous year by any standard, is still a mouthpiece for the organization and there fore defintely staying....Another wasted year is on the way...Well, always hope for a mid season firing..

Hospo


Thu May 5 2016 10:08 am EST

Sorry 14 not 16

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 10:08 am EST

TD, Im with Yorkie on this. It's not a swoon, it's admiration and quite frankly, admitting the truth. We didnt stand a snowballs' chance in hell against thit eam. Not with the way we were playign. This Penguin team, from the End of February to the End of the Regular season, played 22 games, against 14 different teams, they lost 4. They won 18. I have no beef with Holtby, it's Fleury I cant stand, but he's not even playing now. Im not saying they will win the cup..but they did beat Washington twice in that 18 game winning streak, and the Islanders and us three times. Hard to say 16 different teams just played them weak.

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 9:15 am EST

I despise the Pens as much as anybody bit after watching that Caps defenseman blindly slap-clear the puck right to an open Pen for the OT winner, I gotta say they're getting that Team of Destiny look to me. Hope the Western Conference SC entrant can stop them because no one else will, imo. And how funny was it on the Caps first goal... Not sure I've ever seen a ref look more reluctant to call a goal on a puck that clearly went in, he was like "Wait, I was briefed that Pitt wins today, maybe no one else saw that..."

LeoS


Thu May 5 2016 9:10 am EST

LOL at Paul. Bad translation.That should be Pavel.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 9:08 am EST

Paul Valentenko can pursue a career in the NHL According to "Business Online" , "Spartacus" defender Paul valentenko can next season to become a player, "Rangers." The rights to 28-year-old hockey player owns the New York team. According to a source close to the player, the day before he was made ​​an offer of a contract. It is noted that valentenko already rejected two offers from clubs in the KHL, but it continues to negotiate with "Spartacus." In 40 games last season scored valentenko 7 (2 + 5) points. In 2006, Russian was selected in the NHL Entry Draft, "Montreal". He spent two seasons in the farm club of the Canadian team. In 2009, he was traded to the "Rangers", where he also played two seasons in the farm club.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 8:44 am EST

Alain Vigneault said that the Rangers will start their organizational meetings next week in Palm Springs. (La Presse) Vigneault said that everyone took a step back after the Rangers were eliminated and management will get together next week. (La Presse) On breakup day Vigneault said that the organization would take some time before starting the evaluation process and didn't want to make any drastic or quick decisions. The Rangers hold their meetings at Glen Sather's place in California.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 5 2016 7:50 am EST

TDCHI, -- This year has sucked living in Caps Country... although it was always amusing watching the fans so uncomfortable and never truly enjoying their President's Trophy Season. Now it is downright entertertaining watching the utter meltdown of an entire Fan base, LOL!!! Like you, I despise Holtby. His face makes me sick. Everything about him disgusts me.

hipcheck


Thu May 5 2016 7:34 am EST

TD what you posted is udder garbage. I know you don't like the Pens but this is a team that is rolling look at the streak coming into the playoffs, they are not pretenders sliding by and getting lucky they are a team outworking the other team. Hating on a team just because is silly.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 7:06 am EST

So the team that hasn't made it out of the the second round SINCE 1998 and only TWICE in its 41-year history...which has a coach who has NEVER made it out of the second round...is again choking...in part because they have THE most overrated goalie in the NHL..and I'm supposed to credit the Pens? Sorry..Not buying into the Walls utterly sickening Penguin lust. This team is a paper lion that is getting the benefit of the opponents' bad coaching and inability to crack the cheap-ass combination lock defense the aforementioned bad coaching already cracked once...and with ease...Sorry, but there's no cup for Pittsburgh. This is an overrated team playing its worse hockey of the season and knuckling under like they always do come playoffs because at their very core, they are filled with guys who can't find a high gear when it comes to the playoffs. Roll out any philosophy you like, but the game the Caps are playing is both predicable and weak. Dare I say they deserve to lose to this shitbag team. The only thing that is real is the opponent waiting on the other side of this series. Tampa will eat them up.

tdchi


Thu May 5 2016 6:59 am EST

RF I don't think OV disappears in the playoffs he always scores goals but Sully who coached with Torts knows how to contain OV in the playoffs and has that blueprint down after doing it a few times in NY with Torts. Like I said a player that doesn't make players around them better often will suffer come playoffs because they are individuals and playoffs are about team.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 6:57 am EST

WIOSA I love watching OV who wouldn't that guy is a beast, but like most Russian players he doesn't make players around him better. It's actually rather funny because when they were the red army they were talent that was used within the team concept but once that was gone they became I don't want to say selfish but rather they just became individuals. A huge example would be one of hockeys greatest Jr Lines was Bure, Mogilny, and Feds, they reunited Bure and Mogs and they couldn't even play with each other any more after years of being in the NHL and were quickly put on different lines. You look down the line and you have Bure, Mogs, Kova, OV, etc they just don't make players around them better they are beasts and can score but don't make players around them better fun guys to watch and all wingers LOL. I feel OV falls into that mold......I think the difference is like you said chemistry and Sully finding it, he put guys together that shouldn't fit on paper but made it work. That's a testament to good coaching he doesn't look lost unlike a certain Rangers coach. I am just very impressed with what Sully has done, how crazy is it to think that inserting Malkin into your lineup is a problem LMAO my god I wish the Rangers had that problem like we are so good where do we put one of the best centers in the world into the lineup. I'd give up Brassard, Stepan, and Hayes for either Crosby or Malkin.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 6:55 am EST

OV is the complete package, until the POs where, for whatever reason, he chokes.

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 6:54 am EST

Matt Murray's play shouldn't be surprising - it's how he played in his 13 game stint during the regular and equally importantly, he was fabulous both last year and this year in the AHL with a combined GAA under 2.00. His play could spell the end of Fleury's days in Pittsburgh (perhaps as early as this summer and if the Stars are on the market for netminding, that's where he might end up while Gorton dwiddles his thumbs, just as his predecessor was so guilty of at times).

RF4L


Thu May 5 2016 6:24 am EST

...and rookie defense, not offense

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 6:23 am EST

That is OVI..Not OJ

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 6:22 am EST

YORKIE you're 100 % right. As Hospo said too...the entire team pulled up their big boy pants to cover for LeTangs 30 minutes ( yikes). I a l so had this argument, you put forward how one little move, for a grunt, helped change the dynamic of this team. Kessel had little to no chemistry with Malkin or Crosby. In comes third line winger ( on any other team in the NHL but this one) and BAM, he and Kessel click. An injury to Malkin shows Sullivan he can create another scoring line and there you have it. That second line clicking took all the pressure off the first line..cause Hornquist is not a grunt. And this team is for real. I do credit u for predicting the Pens have a good shot to win it all. I wasn't sure with th I s rookie offense. I personally like OVI and can't believe h o w he's playing' You enjoy watching Sid, to me OJ is the complete package...unbelievable.

WIOSA


Thu May 5 2016 5:52 am EST

WIOSA their weakness hasn't been a weakness, they are stepping up helping score goals and the perceived weakness that was on paper hasn't been exploited because of the fact that the forwards are skating back hard and helping out they are collapsing down and blocking shots and pushing teams to the outside forcing low percentage shots which allow their rookie goalie to not be forced to make repeated big saves. It is actually very impressive and what the Rangers should have looked like and did at one time, the only difference is the Pens have two world class talents on their team where the Rangers had Hank.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 5:49 am EST

I told you guys the Pens would win this series. They are firing on all cylinders. They are playing smart hockey and are being coached by a guy who really knows how to get these guys to play for him. He has his captain on his side and happy. The huge thing here is how one or two additions turns the makeup of the team, they add Kessel and Hags and look how fast this team looks. The Rangers lose Hags and they look a step slower. I don't see any team in the east stopping Pitt right now and like was mentioned doing it with a rookie goalie not a 8 mil goalie maybe it's time to start a real rebuild and move Hank, Raanta just may be able to handle the load in the interim and move McD Girardi and Nash that should bring you in a haul for a full rebuild and fire the damn coach.

York18


Thu May 5 2016 5:45 am EST

you will never see capt fugitive parmenter nominated.....‎@AGrossRecord Isles' John Tavares, Caps' Alex Ovechkin and Preds' Shea Weber are the three finalists for the Mark Messier Leadership Award.

stevielegs


Thu May 5 2016 5:45 am EST

E/Hospo....Sullivan put a strong forward ( Crosby, Malkin, Kessel)on each line put a worker grunt or two ( Shea, Hagelin, Kunitz) on those lines with them and gave a challenge to every team's defense. Who has three top pairing D to stop this relentless offensiv threat? Their only weakness is in D. As always...JMHO

WIOSA


Wed May 4 2016 11:04 pm EST

E - The Pens speed is impressive becuase they are doing everything as a team and with strong chemistry making them look even quicker then they are---total is greater then the sum of the parts type of thing......And I said before the Penguin_Ranger series that the Pens were everything the Rangers used to be (quick, disciplined, two-way, well coached, able to handel the physical stuff, great team chemistry) .....Didn't think they would be up 3-1over the Capitals though

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 10:55 pm EST

The speed and transition,of Pitt is giving the Caps fits. Trotz is trying to cover the lanes, and is losing his teams forecheck opportunities trying to defend. Pitt is using the NYR template and it's working. Washington is getting their chances but man is PIT getting good looks moving Holtby E-W. That is no average team that got hot. They're for real. And that adds to my loathing hatred of them.

E


Wed May 4 2016 10:37 pm EST

I HATE the Pens and Crosby but damn if they aren't playing exactly like a team should...total team game..never backing off..fighting every battle and winning most..disciplined for the most part, responsible..both kids and stars doing their bit.and winning with a no-name baby in goal instead of a KIng owed another 72 million dollars....And, i goes with out saying that SULLIVAN is doing one hell of job and totally outcoaching Trotz just by thge way he is guiding the ship....

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 10:28 pm EST

Oh common! $&@! Penguins

WIOSA


Wed May 4 2016 10:19 pm EST

RF4L--So was Skidney's fainting act on the high sticking penalty.....another classic Skidney dive/embellishment. The one observation that seems to be fact.....the Rangers were never beating either of these teams this year.

Bob


Wed May 4 2016 10:17 pm EST

Of course, Skidney out there for the OT goal - that slash probably stung, but all the antics about going to the room and missing a shift, etc was probably just that - antics.

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 10:14 pm EST

Caps annual PO choke chugging into full gear!!!

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 10:10 pm EST

OV slashes Crosby and Crosby clearly feeling it. Clearly a penalty but in today's NHL it's not. Carry on and keep the violence amped. Seems clear the NHL, led by that little Hitler, wants the Pens to go deep for perceived ratings purposes. How good would look on the NHL if Crosby's hand is broken and he's out of the POs? Reap what you sow sorta thing methinks...

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 9:44 pm EST

Emeric is such a douche. He says 'the score is 2-2, the next shot makes it 3-2 and that might have been it'. ?????Huh? Or is he reading a script and he already knows the next shot scores a goal?

NYStranger


Wed May 4 2016 9:35 pm EST

Hospo just like the first couple of Avery years the teams record with him in the lineup was far better than when he was out. So Crosby gets slashed on the hands so hard that he needs to go to the lockerroom. Humm, if it hurt him so bad how did he manage to smash his stick against the wall multiple times going down the tunnel?

NYStranger


Wed May 4 2016 9:33 pm EST

OV being a gnarly beast in most of the Wash/Pitts series I've watched (which admittedly, isn't a lot). He may be unorthodox in terms of his play at times and plenty of criticism he's gotten over the years isn't unjustified but man, he's something else to watch when he really wants to win.

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 8:04 pm EST

So...the headhunting continues in the Pitts/Warsh series. The Crosbabys acting like spoiled brats. No surprise with Pitt thinking they are preordained and backed by Buttlick. Hope they kill each other. So is AV fired yet? So far I am seriously not likeing how this off season is going. Why not sign Nash to an extension and trade away another few first rounders! Gortons fishermen! Ahoy.

NYStranger


Wed May 4 2016 7:58 pm EST

Yorkie...as if Crosby wasn't enough to make me hate this team....

WIOSA


Wed May 4 2016 7:09 pm EST

WIOSA this is the same guy who said he didn't mean to knock out Stalbergs teeth and then proceeded to lie and say he went over and apologized and never did and only did after Stalberg called him a liar in the media saying he never apologized. What do you expect him to say, he's a POS

York18


Wed May 4 2016 7:03 pm EST

But just for what it's worth, Chicago almost never fights and plays primarily a skill game and they win cups. The LAK and Anaheim are thug life. The SJ Sharks just blew thru LA like they were waiting for a bus. So the truth on toughness or whatever has an answer: it's complicated.

E


Wed May 4 2016 6:54 pm EST

Listening to LeTang.. He 'plays a lot of minutes, he gets in situations, if you view the tape there was no malicious intentions.' I did view the tape, are you f&#!ing kidding?

WIOSA


Wed May 4 2016 6:52 pm EST

That was 1992. 2003 is a turrets thing.

E


Wed May 4 2016 6:48 pm EST

E the role of goon is dead, you'll never see another Tony Twist, Pete Worrell etc, the ironic thing is some of the greatest goons could really play the game Probert, Kocur, Domi, McSorely W. Clark etc the thing about Wrath is he can play, and man can he hit hard and hurt guys with his hits, he plays with emotion and with more time will be more vocal. I don't think it was coincidence the one game he was in the team threw 56 hts they played with confidence and he instills that in his teammates.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 6:35 pm EST

What the hopefully last 2 coaches had in common was bellyaching and disapproving of guys taking penalties and fighting because they were afraid to play shorthanded. That deballs a team . And when they play with balls almost all hockey players have, they get the coach no like vibe... And it stops ...if any coach insists his team play dirty and hard most will... Ask the broad st bullies ... Most dont want that extreme but mr wipple veenyo is the polar opposite ...and he's the boss until he gets axed....and players will be gone that he doesn't like for not following his philosophy ... His philosophy doesn't win a Cup....that's why he hasn't ....and won't .... Real nice guy ... Nice guys don't finish first ...no matter what players they have... He's the answer to what comes first, the chicken or the egg? .... He's both ....

stevielegs


Wed May 4 2016 6:28 pm EST

E - I have been saying for years that while the Rangers throw the body and can be physiclal (just look at Mcd, Girarid and Staal), there is ZERO nastiness or mean-ness..and their physicality is usually a response, not proactive...We need SOME guys the intiate nastiness..meaness..we need a pest or two..we need a douchebag..

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 6:27 pm EST

E do you mean 1992 not 2003?

York18


Wed May 4 2016 6:06 pm EST

TD: I can remember my cousins complaining that the NYR lacked the physical toughness in 2003 as the main reason they struggled. I mean that team had what? Kocur, Domi, Beuk, Graves etc... Complaining that the NYR aren't tough enough is a seemingly constant criticism by the base. However, this team? It's not about toughness anymore. It's about irritation more then anything. Call it whatever you will. Emotion. They are like hockey zombies out there. I think that's one of the reasons that Mcilrath is so desperately pleaded for by the fans. He produces emotion. Something happens when he is out there. I just don't value "toughness" in the classic respect any longer. The game changed and the fans overrate it. I put the premium on irritation and physical play. 2-things that I think they desperately need.

E


Wed May 4 2016 6:02 pm EST

BTW, the goalie carousel for Dallas continued last night. Niemi started (after coming in after the 1st period in game 3) and got pulled for his partner, who started game 2. The allure of the King is only growing down there...

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 5:44 pm EST

Here's the problem with AV, he coached very well in Vancouver till he lost the team, he also failed to adapt when he needed to which led to them going from also champs to actual chumps. He came here, he was innovative in his system, he had the horses, he had a crew of guys who were warriors, who gave 100% who didn't back down and knew how to win. He did what Torts refused to do, he looked at his roster and saw three things, he saw speed that was only used in a defensive manner, he saw a team that needed a coach who was a little more hands off afterthe team had been being whipped for so long, and he saw work ethic and a team that knew how to be defensively responsible. He was innovative because at that time teams were not playing his system, he decided to send his wings up high and let them release early because they were so damn fast they either blew by the Dman, or the Dman had to skate back and more often then not they would beat the Dman in the foot race either way, he also used that speed and let Hags and Kreider loose to force teams to work 200 feet with the puck he took what is now the system that a majority of teams are now using. The problem is when he created the system set for the team he did so with a different roster, he also left the team alone because they had been whipped for a bunch of years, the problems here are he lost his locker room leaders and never replaced them and he left the inmates to run the asylum for too long and forgot he was actually supposed to go in the locker room and be a coach. He didn't adapt his system to his team, he forced square pegs into round holes and it didn't work What is scary is that they still scored 100 points despite sucking and not playing well for a majority of the season, could you imagine if they had gotten their shite together they could have had a 132 point season which is sick. AV failed worst of all in the playoffs, he sounded like a babe in the woods, saying he doesn't understand he thought that his guys looked ready, saying they aren't listening, they aren't doing what they are supposed to. I think a tell tale sign was when he called out Hayes in the media and Hayes all but laughed in his face. It showed the control he didn't have over the team, it showed a lack of respect IMO and by a second year player no less. He should have been pulled from the lineup right then and there for his comments alone but AV did nothing.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 5:24 pm EST

But a team is ALWAYS a reflection of their coach, good or bad...The players do not decide what style to play...They play the style of game the coach wants, or they get taken to task or benched...,And like I said, theRangers are a bunvh of choirboys who always behave right...AV wanted a speed game, quickness and perimeter play...That is how the Rangers tried to play....It's an easy game to play, doesn't take much except talent....OTOH, other styles take much more hard work, balls and guts....It so happens that AV totally misjudged how fast and quick the Rangers were compared to other teams..and more hard work, defense, and responsibioity was needed to getthe job done...It was too late, the fat cats of AV couldn't react..just wanted to play the easy game..Thats 2nd game agasint Pitt looked like maybe they jsut could change....but it was only a mirage..and I think alot was influenced by AVs words and actions after that game that still vowed the Rangers have to win with spoeed and transition, and whistle to whistl no matter what game 2 said...HUGE MISTAKE..............If the Rangers want to play AV's style, they better get faster and better player.....A marter move would be for the caoch to adapt and work with the GM in making this a more well rounded and hingrier team from the start..

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 5:08 pm EST

Agreed that the pansified nature of the Rangers play isn't all on AV. because there are indeed, too many non-physical players on this club and that's on the architects of the club. That said, it's clear AV believes in turning the other cheek and not responding to what are clearly acts of attempted intimidation, a facet of the game that ramps up come PO time. I really don't see how anyone can ignore the evidence that this is AV's style. I, like many others in here, am sick of it.

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 4:47 pm EST

TDCHI - *I hear you about that distaste..it's why I grew so sick of them after the deadline and why I felt they had zero chance of regaining the heart, guts and balls to beat the Penguins even if they had the talent,.......I can see that take also with the proliferation of NMC/NTC.and, I know it's pretty rare for me, but perhaps I do overblow the blame to be laid upon AV just a little....But, he is a big reason still...for not adapting to his players, his talent, the changing league, etc..and for the way he uesd his roster........Iit's up to the management and the coach to get the best out of their players and the team or get rid of them/change it....Only about 4-5 players did not disappoint....The rest should be fair game including the coach...

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 4:33 pm EST

In Wild's defense, I do actually recall a Wall conversation with Torts as head coach in which the sentiment was the Rangers are(were) too soft. It was right after the GABORIK-CARCILLO fight...GIRARDI was getting called 'Girlardi' and the Rangers were getting blasted for not coming to Gab's defense. That talk continued really until the conference finals year, when Torts gooned up the club and the team was basically sandpaper from the top down. I don't think after that year anyone called them soft. Maybe individual players, but not the team.

tdchi


Wed May 4 2016 4:04 pm EST

Hospo - I definitely think AV is part of it...but I think the blame is more like 50-50 with the team itself...and my reason for thinking why is a little strange, so bear with me here: The last three games of the season I had a visceral reaction to watching the Rangers that I couldn't place...just a shear, unadulterated anger that went well beyond my momentary lapses of reason when they lost the cup and twice in the conference finals...For days after, I was trying to place this revolting feeling and couldn't...and the reason why is that I hadn't felt it since the 2003-2004 season...every year since that abysmal horrible year...where these pampered, silver spoon-sucking ass-clowns literally sucked the lifeblood out of the Garden every night...So much talent, so little drive to use it...just listless hockey...And then I started thinking about the 2015-2016 Rangers...Four guys with NTCs...four guys with NMCs...one UFA who knows he's going to get a big payday from somewhere...Team coasted onto easy street and went through the motions. Can blame AV for the style of play...but with the Rangers, it was style AND an overall lack of effort. They did it all season...and I defended them, saying they'd come around come playoff time...well, lo and behold...The stink from the Garden starts with AV, but there are plenty of others who can ride shotgun with him. This wasn't a one-guy stink job, just like as much as I'd love to skewer Trottier for 2003-2004, the end result was that the players didn't give a damn about winning or the crest or anything other than making a paycheck...and I think that infection has struck this team....and unless Gorton makes some moves to correct it...ones that will leave some cages rattled...we'll be in for more of this stink-a-thon next year....with or without AV. My biggest fear is that he hopes by moving someone like MILLER or KREIDER or even FAST(and we totally agree on his effort too) that the rest of the Indians will fall in line. And I don't think that's the case...this team needs an exorcism and it starts with Rick NASH...highest paid who has done the least. Move from there, I say, NTCs and NMCs be damned. Trade them for a couple of used jock straps.

tdchi


Wed May 4 2016 4:01 pm EST

HOSPO what's funny is no one claimed the Rangers were soft under Torts, hell the flyers used to cry about the Rangers playing borderline dirty back then. Wild just likes to try and make everything seem happy in Rangers land.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 4:00 pm EST

WILD If AV stopped practice to yell at someone for not finishing checks in practice and its well recorded as you claim please show us. I remember MSL taking people to task but NEVER AV...................Torts didn't have them playing soft, the problem was while playing in their own end the Rangers ended up playing softer because they were collapsing and laying down to block shots. It's a hard thing to be physical while laying on your side sliding across the ice. They were physical in the offensive zone.>.........................TD Thing is Kreiders comment is the mentality that AV has instilled in these guys and that's the scary part. Is AV to blame for everything? No, but he is the captain of the ship and he sunk this thing harder than the titanic. You want to move all those guys? That's fine, like I said this team will be in a rebuild soon because there are too many passengers and on that list the only guy I wouldn't move is Zuch everyone else I'd move in a second and I'd add Stepan to that list as well. Thing is you need a number one center, no one is trading one and the Rangers don't draft high enough to get a Matthews which is a huge issue.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 3:50 pm EST

WILD - Do me a favor and don't lump me in with your typical generalizations....WHo said TORTS made them play soft? Not me, that's for sure...The only similarities between AV and Torts is that they both reached their shelf life as a coach for the Rangers (right aroundthe league average) where a new voice and direction/strategy was needed for the group of players

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 3:45 pm EST

TDCHI - Of course we ALL know that...Teams tend to keep those players...It's why if you want them, you might have to overpay, in terms of money or assets,....If not, you go for lesser models like you suggest....Either route is better then not getting that type of player at all...

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 3:42 pm EST

I find it amusing that the same things keep being said about the coach of the Rangers no matter who it is. BOTH Torts and AV have been accused of making the team soft and not letting them play hard. HOWEVER its was WELL recored with Torts and a couple times over the last two years that they both stopped practices to yell at guys for not finishing checks. That both have been known to say things on the bench about finishing checks, and to the press....somehow that is all overlooked. YES AV isn't one to press for a nasty group of players on the ice....but that isn't the way teams are winning now...GET OVER IT, you play hard not nasty, thats how you win...go ask the AVS if having a coach that loves nasty play gets you a cup...oh wait, thats right, they can't make the playoffs...yeah yeah, thats just one team....anyway, its also the players, there needs to be an adjustment of players, not just bottom line guys, but getting some vet who has some snarl, an Iginla type who can still play top 6 minutes and be effective there, but who also played with an edge. If the leadership of the team plays with that style they all will. AV is not against hitting, he is against dirty hitting, and stupid childish crap after the whistle...and thats what it is, childish crap, its not a contest of who can look tougher in a scrum its a hockey game, and not one player gets intimidated by getting a face wash....its just silly to even think that way. I have no problem with players skating away after the whistle 99% of the time. Its during play when the hits are not made, when contact is not followed through on, and when the battling along the boards is not very hard. Its like they just want to wait until the puck is in space to make a skill type defensive play to get the puck back. ITs the style of player they have, helps out in some ways, hurts in others. SO my idea to "fix" this is to get one of those rougher skill guys, not easy, but with Nash as a trade chip I think it can be done, some teams just want more skill guys and don't see the need for a rougher guy.

Wildcard


Wed May 4 2016 3:40 pm EST

Guys, while it's nice to envision a team with someone like MARTIN or SHAW on the roster, the fact is these are players their respective teams will take pains to retain. Shaw might shake free, simply because I'm not sure the Hawks can afford him. But guys like that are hard to come by in this league without paying handsomely...and we had a whole slew of them that we basically let walk or traded away...we talk about BOYLE now...how nice would it be to have him as our third-line center instead of the Gentle Stork....or hell, DUBINSKY?...I can say I can't think of anyone in the Rangers' system right now who fits the bill of a hard-line player...IVERSON is/was about it...and he doesn't look like a contract is in his future...that's why I was crying for the Rangers to go after some of these young guys who are buzzsaws..J.C. LIPON on the Jets....Cole BARDREAU on Philly...Ryan HARTMAN on Chicago...any of those three would fit the bill nicely. Tyler BERTUZZI on the wings is another...Hudson FASCHING of the Sabres...Brendan LEMIEUX on the Jets....If not him, Nic PETAN...Guy who already has made a decent name for himself as an agitator who is also underrated is Lance BOUMA...or see if the Kings are finally willing to move Dwight KING...if Gorton has a sack, he'll start looking at some of these young kids BEFORE they become cogs in a machine like Shaw and Martin.

tdchi


Wed May 4 2016 3:36 pm EST

Hey Brooks', write an article about how much the fans want Vigneault the hell out of here.

hipcheck


Wed May 4 2016 3:24 pm EST

TDCHI - We agree on the players who came to play and, as much as it pains me, might also add FAST--but he's a 4th liner too..ANyway, wherw we disagree is on the influence and impactr of the coach..The Rangers are good boys, choir boys, they obey and behave...It wasn't until AFTER the 2nd game VICTORY that AV started talking that whistle-to-whistle to crap again...Almost like he didn;t want to win that way...Well, the prick got his wish..He, more than any one individuial was responsible for the TEAM WIDE loss of guts, heat and passion.....True, nobody rose above him and were to blame also, but Coach DOuchebag set the table.......OH well, guess it's wai till October to find out,,

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 3:15 pm EST

York - I think a good amount of your criticism of AV is on the money and justified. Certainly, the guy's body of work suggests he simply won't get behind the pounding game that the playoffs are all about...and no doubt, with ONE notable exception --Game 2 --it sure seemed like he was willing to turn the other cheek...BUT...and this is a big 'but'...there really seems to be a propensity here to pin everything on the coach. And as much as I would LOVE to do that, I just can't man. There is playing a passive game because the coach told you to and then there's playing a passive game because that's what you do. I don't know what happened in Game 2 that changed the face of this team for 60 minutes, but it sure as shit didn't happen any other time during the series. We saw flashes of it during the regular series. The games against the Isles for instance...But never sustained...and I tell you what I fault in addition to AV is the goddamn players themselves. I can't believe KREIDER of all people said what he did ESPECIALLY after that game when it became so abundantly clear that the only way around Pittsburgh was to go right through them...so often, this team seemed totally comfortable playing this Euro-style large-rink passing game...six F@CKING passes before a shot on net...And I'll pull out a few suspects. First and foremost was YANDLE. I never want to see the guy in blue again he dicked with the puck so much...and BRASSARD..always looking for the million-dollar pass instead of playing brutish drive-to-the-net hockey...GIRARDI, but not because he was playing passive...he just couldn't line people up...NASH...he'd just let guys ping-pong him around...Eric STAAL pretty much did the same thing, all though he actually seemed to have an interest in going to the net...neither got nasty...Kevin 'the gentle giant' HAYES didn't even bother to pass...just dicked with the puck until he turned it over without as much as a shot on net...and as much as it pains me to say it, ZUCC...pass-first, worry about everything else later. Sure, some of that is by coach's design. But these guys seemed to actually believe they could out-talent Pittsburgh...Dom "Do a pirouette-on-the-way-to-the-zone MOORE...Only guys I saw showing snarl or willingness to battle for the puck...dig deep in the corner...were MILLER, KREIDER, STALBERG and GLASS....and the latter just isn't a very effective player....truth is, the Rangers really lost their sandpaper and it showed in the players' attitude toward the game...can blame some of that on AV and Gorton for assembling the crew...but some of those guys should have known better...I just don't believe for a minute that AV after that absolute pummeling they gave to Pittsburgh said 'alright boys, ease it up...less hitting....more puck possession.' I DO think it's a two-way street....that there were issues on both ends...and you guys are right...for four out of five games, this team was the SOFTEST in the league...just Downy soft...part of that responsibility is on the players, because that one game showed they had it in them.

tdchi


Wed May 4 2016 1:06 pm EST

Martin and Shaw are exactly what the NYR need in the bottom-6. Hard chargers, fingernails on the chalkboard types. They change the pace and something happens when they are out there. Martin is just high on my list since he entered the league. That NYI 4th line is ruthless. Everytime they go over the boards it seems that someone is gonna need some ice.

E


Wed May 4 2016 12:42 pm EST

oh yeah, SCREW AV and CRIPPLE the PENS!!!!!!.......If the Caps don't beat them tonight without 3 players, incuding Letang, they should be put on the heart transplant list...

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 12:30 pm EST

Glad to see my brethren on the Wall mention names like Matt Martin and Andrew Shaw,, these are the exact type of physical assholes the Rangers need...Alas, we are wasting our breath if Mr. Smug Douche is still behind the bench.........As for Brain Boyle, he was the one player that could leave that year that i wanted to stay....I trashed him a few years earlier with the BOITANO nickname but the guy finally got it....and was always there phsyically by his last years as a Ranger..Didn't always produce during the regular season but exactly what you need during the POs...and the other teams hated him ...More great PO hockey from him (Before, during and after the god damn whistle) last night....Again, exactly what the Rangers need but are unlikley to get....

Hospo


Wed May 4 2016 11:05 am EST

No, by virtue of him being a proponent of the Definition of Insanity "style", he has beat himself out of a Cup ring....problem is he's taken us along for a ride many of us no longer want to be on.

RF73


Wed May 4 2016 10:45 am EST

RF it's actually disgusting and why this coach will never be a winner in the NHL in the post season. He will retire without ever having won and the reason he got BEAT literally out of a cup ring.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 10:09 am EST

LOL...I find what Kreider said amusing - that epitomizes AV's mindset and a clear indication of how he's drilled into his players the need to play 'whistle to whistle' and avoid physical confrontations.

RF4L


Wed May 4 2016 9:57 am EST

Art....agree on AV.....it will be diminishing returns from here out.....knee is great. How about you...

MelvilleFred


Wed May 4 2016 9:52 am EST

Hey Fred, I don't know what to think because AFAIC AV should be gone! Man that Drouin kid is good. I hope that knee is treating you well. Art

Pal17


Wed May 4 2016 9:50 am EST

Not only Drouin gor runned over by the F train then go slashed high sticked an looked like he went through a meat grinder. But was last nights hero. Good for him. He sucked the life out of that crowd!!!

rangerlou


Wed May 4 2016 9:12 am EST

Fred I think that's why yzerman just put up with the kid and his antics he knew he'd regret moving him especially if he losses stamkos this summer which it seems he will.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 8:35 am EST

Pal17.....don't even think that....

MelvilleFred


Wed May 4 2016 8:33 am EST

WOW....too bad Tampa didn't look to move Drouin. Having watched him against the Islander has been eye opening. One tough and talented kid.

MelvilleFred


Wed May 4 2016 8:07 am EST

Krieder has been brainwashed like the rest of them by coach Boo boo. Can't check someone, you lose possession, can't check someone, it takes you out of the play. BS !! Hard, clean checking is a great advantage. You have to stick to it for it to be effective though. Not 1 damn game coach, the whole series !!

stepunmytoe


Wed May 4 2016 7:14 am EST

WIOSA Kreider said that? That's closet thinking because you can throw 56 hits and still dominate puck possession. It's called dump and chase hockey, a player only needs hold the puck for a second to deliver a punishing hit and recover the puck. The Rangers ran into the problem of carrying the puck in the neutral zone and kept turning it over, where as in game two they dumped and chased and pounded the Pens D.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 6:11 am EST

Stevie...yep. 56 Hits, and as happy and as enthusiastic as we were on that...I remember Kreider saying "56 hits? Yes, but that means we didnt have the puck..." The Rangers, much like the Penguins are now, were a puck posession team ..as far back as last year. WTH happened?

WIOSA


Wed May 4 2016 5:55 am EST

and BIG MAC was in that game....

stevielegs


Wed May 4 2016 5:53 am EST

step when the nyr hit the pigpens 56 times, they won.....now the hit needs to be on the coach....

stevielegs


Wed May 4 2016 5:48 am EST

Watching these playoff games with the way teams are hitting and going after each other confirms to me the Rangers are one of the softest teams in hockey and it's embarrassing. And here we have a coach sending out injured players and sitting a guy like Mac. Disgraceful.

stepunmytoe


Wed May 4 2016 5:34 am EST

Hagelin Boyle stralman Callahan were all good nyr ... No cap probably still would be ... And good playoff players ...

stevielegs


Wed May 4 2016 4:56 am EST

E The problem with Boyle is he doesn't do that on a regular basis, it's enough to drive anyone crazy he has all the tools to be a beast. He does turn it up come playoffs every year though. During the blues game blowing a kiss to the stars bench the only thing that happens if that's a Rangers player is group hugs in the locker room and hugs to the guy who did the boarding by the Rangers in the handshake line.AV Likes that kind of whistle to whistle only play.

York18


Wed May 4 2016 2:00 am EST

Why do I get the feeling that AV wants to bring the Sedins to NY (@1/2 theCap hit)

Pal17


Tue May 3 2016 11:53 pm EST

Blues vs Stars..........Pietreangelo gets boarded......Reaves comes in and kicks McKenzie's ass.....and proceeds to blow a kiss to the Stars bench as he skates off the ice...............If a Rangers player get boarded........the fuckin players on the ice would just sit there like idiots.......Team needs a rebuild

TradeStar28


Tue May 3 2016 10:01 pm EST

B. Boyle delivered nicely for TB. stood up to Hamonic who tried to stir it up during warmup. Trashed Hickey on a mean check and put them away in OT. I always say it. Your pluggers are what win playoff games. One of the better games I've seen from Boyle in a while.

E


Tue May 3 2016 9:58 pm EST

So Pittsburgh's GWG was by Carl Hagelin, and Bolts GWG was by Brian Boyle. Sure glad we got rid of those slugs...rumor has it theyre terrible golfers. Sigh.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 9:49 pm EST

WIOSA - came on to say hi to you!!! I didn't even watch, I was in my class I just saw the result!!!

DREW


Tue May 3 2016 9:31 pm EST

Nice comeback by Tampa...showing resilience. Islanders are playing well and worthy of the 2 game split coming into this game. But this isn't the Panthers they're playing this time...

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 9:24 pm EST

MF, I know. I dont know how they dont consider that charging. Both skates left the ice and he hit dead on. Guess Trotz is right.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 9:23 pm EST

My other offseason target is Andrew Shaw who was rumored to be available. Get me Martin and Shaw on the bottom-6 and get some damn personality on this squad.

E


Tue May 3 2016 9:19 pm EST

I like Martin. Good skill set, great 4th liner. Keeps heads on a swivel.

E


Tue May 3 2016 9:19 pm EST

Hey Drew...guess we're both breathing a little bit better tonight. Wont take a deep breath until theyre eliminated. Interesting they let in two goals with less than a minute left ..one in the first and one to tie the game. Guess the NY Rangers arent the only ones doing that lately.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 9:17 pm EST

WIOSA, thanks for posting that link..... That peice of shit Letang left the ice with both skates at least 6 inches as he delivered the high hit..... If the Caps or any Shitzburg opponent had any sense, they'd be hitting Crosby & Malkin clean & hard at every opportunity......

mf


Tue May 3 2016 9:11 pm EST

BRIAN BOYLE with the game winner in OT.... Don't remember him doing that for us..... Well, good for him anyway.....

mf


Tue May 3 2016 8:38 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/video/kris-letang-suspended-1-game/t-279810162/c-43830303 This is really a lousy hit.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 8:33 pm EST

That is a very good point Bob

tlats


Tue May 3 2016 8:29 pm EST

Problem is that Martin is not an AV type of player. We cannot have guys playing so physically on an AV coached club.

Bob


Tue May 3 2016 8:23 pm EST

The guy I want to be a Ranger next year is ufa Matt Martin. His future father in law Bommer Esiason also wants him to become a Ranger. I remember watching his show one morning a couple of months ago and he mumbled that Martin is gonna be a free agent and will be a Ranger next year. He was probably just messing around but ya never know.Martin is one of the best hitters in the league and could also pot 10-15 goals. I hate him as an Islander but would probably love him as a Ranger.

tlats


Tue May 3 2016 7:38 pm EST

Yorkie. Lol😂😂😂. Sorry I forgot your post. Plus I just wanted something to write. Let me pick on a friend. 😂 I understood the remarks. You were fired up for your team. You were thinking more as a coach or player rather than a fan when you were calling out people. I do the same thing. I was telling Pa he was an asshole cause he didn't think the Rangers would do anything.

KIS


Tue May 3 2016 6:47 pm EST

Best pickup at the trade deadline looks like the Isles getting Prince. Unreal.

stepunmytoe


Tue May 3 2016 6:40 pm EST

Islanders all over Tampa - Bishop holding them in right now.

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 6:06 pm EST

KIS did you miss my post from yesterday? I said I was an ass clown and went in my closet and put my clown shoes on to wear on the way to the podium to accept my dumb ass post of the month award, I just skipped all the influences I had over the years from this board to help me win the award LOL. Honestly with the way they played that series zero heart, zero effort and then follow that up with AV keeping his job is bad enough, if they trade Wrath because of AV for me till AV is gone that will be it when he is gone I'll be back I just can't stomach that POS chewing his gum behind the bench if he's killing this franchise while doing it. I have always watched other teams, as a kid growing up any time the Oilers played in the area I went to games Hartford, LI, NY, NJ to watch them play. I lived in canada for a bit and watched a ton of leaf games back then used to love watching Glimour and Clark I love the game of hockey not just the Rangers. I was playing hockey before I really knew what the Rangers were. In my family you don't get baseball gloves and what not you start with hockey so watching the leafs has actually more to do with Matthews than anything else like watching the Oil has to do with Mcdavid and I'll say this despite the fact it will piss me off I love watching the pens when Crosby is on he's a joy to watch despite what everyone here thinks of him he's amazing.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 5:47 pm EST

York. I understand the bad taste in your mouth with the way the rangers are going right now but I must ask you, you chastised people on here asking what type of fan are they because they weren't picking the Rangers to win. What type of ranger fan are you if you are already talking about going and rooting for the leafs. I'm not happy with AV and the way the organization is handling wrath but I root for the sweater. I have to ask you, what type of Ranger fan are you if you are leaving. Disappointed with some of the bullshit coming from your mouth. :-)

KIS


Tue May 3 2016 5:31 pm EST

Just got home from work and apparently Pavel Buchnevich had surgery today to clean up an elbow issue (per his Instagram).... I'm guessing the NYR knew?

Rhet0ric


Tue May 3 2016 5:16 pm EST

RF always liked joe since watching him in Jrs he deserves a cup and as for the leafs I'll gladly watch them they will be good real soon

York18


Tue May 3 2016 5:13 pm EST

WIOSA: Alas, I see none with AV back and Gorton bringing him back tells me he's either blind to what's going on or handcuffed by Sather (and I don't know what's worse). The first real test for Gorton is coming up - does he tinker or truly retool? We are going to see the answer to that question later next month I suspect.

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 5:12 pm EST

York: SJ is my choice, too and primarily for Jumbo Joe. A true nice guy who IMO gets unfairly criticized at times.

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 5:11 pm EST

RF4L,,,Im trying to figure out if there is a light at the end of this tunnel with Gorton at the helm and AV behind the bench. We both know he walked in taking over Torts players...of course, not too shabby, SCF's. He doesnt play the same game as Torts, so of course the personnel are not to his liking. We are so limited in what we can do though. Makes me dread - instead of anticipate - next season. Jayzus, wish I could root for another team.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 5:10 pm EST

AV staying and McI leaving will really REALLY piss me off. Good thing after all these years (like 2 decades or more) the Leafs are FINALLY doing a true rebuild. Look at the talent they are assembling and with that coach solidly in place, they are going nowhere but up. At least I'll have to placate myself if/when the Rangers go off the rails early next season. It would be great if McI got traded to Toronto (if Gorton intends to move him).

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 5:09 pm EST

WIOSA I'm dropping this because you insulted me and I'm trying to be nice and I see thats about to end so I'll drop it before it does

York18


Tue May 3 2016 5:08 pm EST

looking at the final 8 I hope SJ wins the cup that team has been so close for so long and I'd like to see Jumbo Joe win a cup he deserves it

York18


Tue May 3 2016 5:07 pm EST

Yorkie that article was about Malkin returning, and what line he was returning to. He did not return until game 2. Here is more http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/lines/36/pittsburgh-penguins.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 5:07 pm EST

WIOSA: Yeah I suppose anything's possible but the longer it goes without a firing the greater the possibility is that there will be no firing. I think it's a huge mistake if that's the case and Gorton and company (because my gut tells me a fire the coach decision he'd have to make after seeking permission from that Job for Life asshole) are putting their own jobs at risk. Well Gorton is - Sather has a job for life. I see little reason to expect any sort of decent turn around under AV next year. If I'm right maybe that'll mean the Rangers will end up being in a lottery spot for the 2017 draft. I should check on who the early favourites are. Probably nothing like Matthews, of course. Knowing the Rangers, they'll flame out in a weak top end draft year! LOLOL....

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 5:03 pm EST

Here is the question what does Gorton think, does he believe not only will AV be his coach next year, but will he be offering him an extension to boot. If the answer is yes well then I could see Lindberg and DM being traded, but if Gorton is on the fence about AV and is giving him a short leash I don't know if Gorton will move either for the only reason that you don't move players that can play just because a coach you may not be married to doesn't feel they fit his system. It all comes down to who gorton believes will have the longer career with the Rangers AV or Wrath and Lindberg.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 4:59 pm EST

WIOSA reliable is someone who knows the difference between what a game and a series I'm playing nice because you're a decent poster but give it a rest because I know the difference between what a series is which is what I said he played with him in the Rangers SERIES and what a game is. I also don't think Milbury is some hockey guru you act like you're quoting Bowman for gods sakes.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 4:57 pm EST

WIOSA You really think Milbury is good and doesn't destroy franchises and couldn't evaluate talent? ROFLMAO yup he's who I want saying I'm right and That article was about ONE game not the series ONE GAME which was GAME TWO. Jesus I honestly don't know why I bother unreal.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 4:56 pm EST

TD, not sure if I see Dylan making the squad. I still dont know why he was pulled in the playoffs. I cant figure it out. Yes he has a problem with speed..but so does Girardi and Boyle. With JT you could see the "deer in the headlights' look from time to time and him being out of position, or losing his man...so you understood. Im not seeing what is so wrong with Dylans play, so wrong that Boyle or Girardi was better? This is what makes me wonder if Dylan will have a role in the Rangers...if AV had a say anyway. I dont think it's presonal, I think Dylan and Oscar btw are not showing this coach what he wants to see.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 4:54 pm EST

WIOSA I think Wrath and Staal are two different scenarios Wrath could be a matter of this is my guy and we aren't trading him so you'll have to deal with it, or it could be AV just hasn't gotten confidence in using him full time just yet, I honestly don't know and won't act like I do. I have no idea because then you have Staal and I can't see Gorton trading for him if AV said he didn't want him and then taking him and tossing him in the abyss and thumbed his nose at Gorton I just don't understand if he did do that how he still has his job right now he would have been let go. To me it screams that he has lost this team, he cried all playoffs he had no idea what was going on and the players weren't playing the way they were told and were coming out with no urgency and that it was the whole team and he didn't know what was going on. That is a scary notion and what is even scarier is the fact that after saying all that he still has his job.....................TD Midseason firings are bad they rarely every bare fruit and if they are going to wait this out with AV it will be too late and they will be in a rebuild if this goes on for another year. I never wanted AV that's no secret and the day he's gone I'll be happy........JFC like I said AV stays and they trade Wrath that will be it for me I'll watch the leafs they have a young team that if they add Stamkos will be a lot of fun to watch for years to come.....TD I don't think AV hates wrath I said all along he would bring him along slowly but I just don't know if AV can be trusted with him. AV loves his vets and goes down with the ship with them ala MSL and Girardi and Boyle but it has to stop.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 4:53 pm EST

Oh, Milbury destroys franchises? Does Jones too? And I cant help it if you cant read, the article gave the lines, and who he was playing with. Your problem is either you cant read, or you just cant admit you dont know something. Which means you are not a reliable source of information.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 4:44 pm EST

WIOSA youre using milbury as a reference the man is a tool who destroyed a franchise because he cant evaluate shite. as for your article where did it say he didnt play with crosby in the series? oh wait it didnt

York18


Tue May 3 2016 4:30 pm EST

WIOSA/JFC – Sure I’m in the minority here…maybe even by myself…but I see McILRATH starting on the right…under AV…I know this goes against popular thinking here and I’ll readily admit there’s enough anecdotal evidence that suggests he’s not going to be here much longer…but I see his relationship with AV as one that ain’t too far removed from AV’s feelings over JT MILLER. A lot of folks opined on how Miller was always in the doghouse…some said he was a gonner at last year’s deadline…then the draft….well pan to a year later…is there anyone who DOESN’T see Miller starting with the Rangers next season? Think it’s just AV’s style with some players.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 4:18 pm EST

WIOSA – I think the STAAL deal was a good example of a GM seeing his team with a dearth of leadership and literally skidding into the post season without landing gear making a desperate attempt to get at least one wheel down. And to AV’s very limited credit, he DID try to slot Staal into a top-line position to start(even though I seem to recall it was on wing). He started out on a line with NASH that absolutely stunk. Then what do you do? Bench BRASSARD? Bench STEPAN? The Staal deal looked like a no-brainer before you looked into the mechanics of it all…from the outside, you have a guy who has a cup ring and is captain of his team with strong familial ties on the Rangers who joins the team without them having to trade a single roster player. Hole in one. But then you realize this is a guy who has struggled BADLY with consistency SINCE his cup win who basically lost himself in a youth movement and was producing the worst numbers of his career. NTM, a soft-spoken guy who tries to lead by example joining a young team with a bunch of guys who really needed a goddamn supercharged cattle prod to the ass, not a quiet guiding presence…GORTON tried to swap in a rudder for landing gear…Then when basically the whole thing crashed, the only thing AV could do with the guy is use him as a limp stick to beat the cocky smile off Kevin HAYES’ face...I would be willing to bet that deal was done with at least AV’s tacit approval if not a full thumbs up…but in hindsight, what the Rangers SHOULD have done was ripped one of their cruising, going-through-the-motions players the F@CK out of the lineup and moved him to a dogshit po-dunk nothing franchise in the middle of nowhere(see: Edmonton) in exchange for a couple of dinged up pucks and a used washing machine…team needed to be pulled out of its comfort zone and the Staal deal shoved them further into it. But FWIW, AV certainly didn’t do anything to mitigate the disaster that was that deal. His moving Staal to the wing on third line just made it more comically bad.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 4:15 pm EST

HOSPO/York/RF4L/TD/all -- I can tell you whatbGorton is gonna do.....he's going to try to pander to AV and give him another perimeter prancing, super fast finesse team that AV prefers. AV hasn't learned anything.....he just thinks the players(particularly the D) lost their ability to play his perfect system and newer, quicker guys will make it all better. He screwed Wrath this year and will try to have Gorton getbrid of him and that's gonna send me off the deep end because the kid has so much of whatbthis team really needs....a set of balls.

JFC31


Tue May 3 2016 4:03 pm EST

Hospo/York – Don’t share your utter disdain for AV…though I’m not convinced he’s the coach for this team, nor was I ever. AV being named coach was kind of a mixed bag for me, because in one regard, I was really glad the reins weren’t handed over to MESSIER like I thought they would be…but in the same regard, I never really respected AV after his loss to the Bruins. Granted, that was a hard-fought series…but a lot of the warts we’re seeing in the Rangers last season were once on display in that best-of-7…All that said, I think AV will be given a nice long rope that will be the perfect size for hanging himself. He’ll get one last crack at whipping this team into shape and then it’ll be time to go. I’d say a slow start by the Rangers and he’ll be gone by December. And it should be interesting too, because I have a very strong feeling that the roster is going to undergo a pretty substantive overhaul…the players got their wish in 2012-2013 and the coach got sacked. This year, the coach is gonna get his way and the players are gonna get sacked. Question now is which ones?

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 3:42 pm EST

RF4L, is there a possibility that Gorton is not talking to AV before he does a deal? I mean,,why keep Dylan if AV cant find his style of play benefiical (I dont agree with AV, but if that is the way he feels....) Why trade anything for Eric if AV planned on putting him on the third line wing? Sounds like there is a communication break down here.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 3:36 pm EST

Yorkie, it's real simple to say.."oh, I didnt realize that". http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/15217107/evgeni-malkin-returns-pittsburgh-penguins-upper-body-injury As for Murphy Im not the only one saying he is showing high glove side, Jones and Milbury said it and showed it. For the third time, this is an example of how the Caps are in a funk, they should be able to exploit this and didnt. Not until the last 10 minutes of the game.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 3:35 pm EST

York - I know, but it just feels good to say..: And I won' ttotally give up until it's official!

Hospo


Tue May 3 2016 3:26 pm EST

HOSPO you're just going to have to let it go and accept he will be back next year I already have. It is what it is

York18


Tue May 3 2016 3:10 pm EST

And SCREW AV if he comes back...his time is done in NY and next year will be a wipeout if he stays,,

Hospo


Tue May 3 2016 3:09 pm EST

One game for LETANG is total bullshit,,,,A farce of a god damn league...Who the hell wants to watch Crosby anyway..People in the US don;t give a shit about him...Probably won't watch. but more than anytime in the past I want somebody to leave Malkin or Crosby in a bloody crumpled pile. or, better yet, looking like Ted ZGreene after Wayne Maki got done with him and never able to play the game again...Eff the Penguins and the NHL...

Hospo


Tue May 3 2016 3:09 pm EST

RF that was my point if he wasn't coming back he would be gone already. I don't know what Gorton has planed for this team right now but for the first time in a number of years I'm not feeling very positive in terms of fixing things and being strong next season.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 3:08 pm EST

WIOSA So last series when Malkin was on the ice with Crosby it was only on the PP WRONG! I'm not going to go back and forth with you it's a waste of time you're the only person I know who says a goalie is telegraphing his moves but they can't crack him, then he's obviously not telegraphing because he would be easy to crack that is just simple fact. That makes zero sense I have played the game my whole life and if a goalie is telegraphing, over playing anything to that I will see it and exploit it. Murray is playing good hockey and he is on a hot streak and when a goalie gets that way during the playoffs they can carry a team. Give credit where credit is due don't just hate on the pens because they are the pens......................With that said Letang got one game I'm shocked, shocked that he even got a game the caps should consider themselves lucky.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 2:42 pm EST

Alas, gotta figure if Gorton didn't want AV back, he'd have fired him already.

RF4L


Tue May 3 2016 2:22 pm EST

tdchi - Admittedly I had to look up "aplomb" but I thank you. I like learning new words (I am a college educated 41 year old)...speaking of 41 and "maturity" I never wanted to see an Islander elimination so badly. My childhood friends that are Islander fans tortured me the last 2 years. Here is their claim. "The Rangers choked the last 4 years...ohhh they were so close. We are going to do what you couldn't last year - beat Tampa and win the cup". .....td your confidence in TB makes me feel a bit better (I know no gurantees)...York18 - what do you think, TB can win? WIOSA - you're my safe poster that feels this with me.

DREW


Tue May 3 2016 2:16 pm EST

One game? That was a brutal hit. SMH

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 2:13 pm EST

Letang gets one game.

ges999


Tue May 3 2016 2:11 pm EST

Melville/Hospo...yeah have to say that Ovi is my favorite too. I feel he deserves to win the cup...he has put his heart and soul into it. TD huh? He's the Captain of that team and they were playing good, but not good enough. He takes the onus on himself and leads by example. I like that in a Captain (no offense Ryan). As for the last two seasons, against the Rangers, we beat them, they didnt lose to us...and it wasnt a cake walk. YORKIE, Malkin and Crosby do not play on the same line togther PERIOD. Last year, in desparation, the Penguin coach put them together against us for one game. They dont play together. Not during the season, not during the playoffs, the only time they play on a unit together is the PP. Nowhere did I say the Caps suck, or they were in such a funk that they could not win. I said they are playing good, but they are NOT firing all cylanders....and theyre not. As Ola has pointed out, they shouldve easily exploited the weaker Pens blueline, they couldnt. The wings were in a slump, coming into the playoffs.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 2:07 pm EST

Hospo: I'm right there with you. OV has been my favorite player for a long time now. And I've taken a barrage of flak for it from NYR fans but I don't care. That guy is hella exciting to watch play. The skill, speed, physicality? Every time he has the puck it makes you get to the edge of the seat. I don't think there has been as an electrifying talent in my life as a total skill set. The guy is turned up to 11 across the board. It's been my big quandary with the Caps. I hate playing them in the playoffs because they are the Caps. But I love watching them play everybody else. Not because of the team as much (I just can't will myself to like them more) but for OV? So worth the price of admission. I try to see him play live every chance I get.

E


Tue May 3 2016 1:53 pm EST

A lot of coaches going but AV still here.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 1:47 pm EST

The caps always seem snake bitten come playoffs not just this year but decades of it they just don't win. Pitt is playing smart hockey and if letang doesn't get suspended they obviously have the league on their side which makes them all the tougher to beat

York18


Tue May 3 2016 1:35 pm EST

WIOSA...with you on OV....that guy can play and brings it every night. Can't wait for him to take out Letang.

MelvilleFred


Tue May 3 2016 1:30 pm EST

TDCHI - I watched alot of the Caps and that is defientely a valid criticism of OVIE...but moreso in the past...He did alot less of it this year...And as with the Caps and the Russians ditto with the Ranger and theirr can-AM character choir boy always first crap along with the "responsible" swede...

Hospo


Tue May 3 2016 1:07 pm EST

WIOSA another thing that flies in the face of your statement the Caps are in the second round aren't they? Well they won their first series which means that they changed their fortunes from how they were ending the season.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 1:06 pm EST

WIOSA Malking played with Crosby often in the Rangers series so I have no idea what you are talking about that's number one, where he is playing now I don't care. I said Sully changed his systems up I said nothing about lines you need to get your things straight because you are changing what I'm saying and what has happened to suit your point of view

York18


Tue May 3 2016 1:05 pm EST

Hospo - If the Caps lose to the Pens, then it's time for their organization to re-evaluate where they're at with their band of Russians...You're right: OV is a blast to watch as long as he's not blasting your team into the boards...but as fun as he is to watch, he can also be a real numbskull. I loath to fault someone for trying too hard, but that's what it seems like he does when his back is against the wall...just tries to take it all on his shoulders to win the game singlehandedly...His game is so good and he's got so many incredibly talented guys around him, it's almost like he defeats himself. I know against the Rangers he's done that in two consecutive playoffs. Question now is how he responds...I still think this Caps team will beat the Pens into submission. Just looking at the pounding they're getting...I just don't see them taking this...and in the off-chance they do, I suspect they'll limp into the conference finals as half the team they are now...I mean, look at the utter(and deserved) beating LETANG is taking. KREIDER alone buried that guy four or five times. Then after the JOHANSSON hit, he was a marked man. Every time I flipped to the game, he was getting the snot beat out of him by one of the Caps' knuckle draggers.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 12:57 pm EST

DREW - Not sure where all this aplomb for the Islanders came from. Series is tied and frankly, the Lightning are a deeper, better team. Both STRALMAN and STAMKOS are out of their lineup and they went through Detroit like the Wings were standing still. This is a battle-tested team with a lot of experience in its lineup...I really don't know why they get the short shrift. Isles are good, but they ultimately have a backup goalie in net. TAVARES is good, but he's one player...I don't think there's an easy team left in the playoffs...though I still don't buy the Penguins' majesty...but I would be a little more than surprised if the Isles eliminate the Bolts. Think the conference final will be Bolts-Caps and because HOLTBY is a worthless hack, the Bolts go to the finals. JMO.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 12:54 pm EST

Bob Hartly fired in Calgary, just after he won Coach of the year................that must suck !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue May 3 2016 12:50 pm EST

The way the CAPS controlled the game last night, I think they can still come back and take the series...but..I can't understimate the discipline, smarts and total team game the Penshave been playing for a long time....OTOH, noe of it will matter to me if Letang isn't suspended..I;'ll be done with the POs for the season..

Hospo


Tue May 3 2016 12:47 pm EST

WIOSA - I have caught crap for it before but, OVECHKIN is jsut about my favorite player in the league and, certainly my favorite big shot,..just alot of fun to watch

Hospo


Tue May 3 2016 10:33 am EST

Wiosa- Yeah, but a very good team should be able to expose Pittsburg's blue line. Nobody should win a cup with that defense. Still Washington is struggling some. AO for a player in his mold is the best I've ever seen, a force of nature. Still, when it comes to winning Cups I take a top center over a sniper like AO 24/7...

Ola


Tue May 3 2016 10:27 am EST

Melville...Me too. I also like Ovechkin. He's the player you love to hate, but would kill to have on your team.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 10:06 am EST

I have always liked Trotz.....thought he did a great job in the Hockey Outlier in Nashville. The only other Coach who would have made that comment is Torts......

MelvilleFred


Tue May 3 2016 10:01 am EST

OLA, I think they can too..and I sure hope so. (Sorry Haggy). One of the things I noticed in last nights game was the ability of Ovechkin to start a comeback and really rattle the younger Pen dmen, including Murray. He played in their faces the end of the thrid and they were hanging on for dear life. That said, I dont underestimate the high octane Penguins offense, and their high puck posession numbers. Game four should be very interesting.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 9:56 am EST

Wiosa- Caps can still get the job done. But I think it's important to point one thing out, while there rightfully is some crapping on our poor defense and at times dysfunctional man-man defense -- a team like Washington is very very predictable. Chicago plays that man-man defense and cannot be contained because of it. When you can execute it you become a lot more dynamical. You have speed under your skates when defending and when you win the puck you can just head up ice faster and from better positions.

Ola


Tue May 3 2016 9:33 am EST

Yorkie, no contradiciton on Murray, I said the Caps are in a funk, theyre facing a young goalie - albeit a hot one - that transmits his moves and they still cant crack him. That is a testament to the Caps still not firing on all cylanders. As for the Pens, Malking played the third line. He did not play with Crosby, he did not play with Hags and Kessel. This was a bit of a head scratcher to many because him coming back was a major issue to sportscasters,,,,Sullivan refused to break up the second line, he put him on the third. I guess if you heard Sullivan say he was shaking up his lines, then yeah, he lied. Cause he didnt. Nor did he pull his AHL goalie with Fluery sitting on the bench. He appears to go with what works.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 9:12 am EST

WIOSA Of course a whole new season starts when the playoffs start that's why winning the presidents trophy doesn't mean a damn thing and why the year we went to the cup finals we didn't finish as well last year. A great example the year the Rangers won the cup they beat the Devils in the regular season every time, look what happened come playoffs. You also contradict yourself you say Murray is a goalie who transmits his moves then follow it up with they can't crach him, well he's obviously not transmitting his moves otherwise he would be easy to figure out and crack. How many times have the Rangers needed to go on a hot streak to make the playoffs under Renney and Torts, a lot and did that translate into cup wins or long playoff drives? No it did not not always so just because this year the hot team going in is still winning does not mean that is the case every year. Its funny because you say this like it is not a cliche but it is and there is a reason its a cliche. You say the Pens changed nothing then I guess Sully lied because even he said he changed things and the funny part is I see the change because they are collapsing more than they were in the regular season and playing more defense so I'm sorry AGAIN you are wrong. Malkin was on the first and second lines in the Rangers series and was moved to the third you are picking things to seem like you're right but I'm sorry you couldn't be more wrong on just about your whole post.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 8:48 am EST

Drew, well, Stampkos, of course, is not playing, and Stalman and Brown are still out. Theyre playing in Brooklyn, so this one will be tight, I think if the Bolts win this one they will probably take the series. Problem is Tavares has played like he's put the team on his back and is dragging them further into the playoffs. He is a one man wrecking machine in the final moments. Have to see if Bishop can contain him.

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 8:38 am EST

Anyone giving Tampa Bay a chance these next 3 games? I can't enjoy any hockey talk until Brooklyn is out.

DREW


Tue May 3 2016 8:15 am EST

I have to take issue with the theory that ' A whole new season starts now' when we enter the playoffs. I scoffed (quietly) at that notion then, and Im still scoffing. The Caps, despite their Presidents Trophy win, were in a funk entering the playoffs. They had their game...but they were not clicking on all cylanders. They REMAIN that way still. Yesterday was a good game by them, they had 49 sog. They just couldnt click, they couldnt read the Pen defense or get through it, when they did, they found a hot goalie. Murray is a young goalie who still transmits his moves...they could not crack this guy. Until the Pens started pulling a Rangers move in the last 10 minutes of the game (play not to lose). Now, onto Tampa, another team that was not racing into the playoffs. They did okay down the stretch, quite human, and theyre playing that way now. The Flyers barely made the playoffs, and the Rangers shoujldnt have made the playoffs. They both played like that. The Kings were another team that was struggling down the line, as were the Hawks. I kept posting, 'what's going on with the Hawks?, theyve lost 11 of their last 15". Any surprise those four teams were eliminated quickly? If you believe the notion that a 'whole new season starts now' then yeah, I guess youre surprised. Im not. Odds makers arent. We dont believe that nonsense. The Pens didnt 'make the playoffs' they soared into the playoffs. They knocked over everyone in line, crashed the gate and sat at the head of the table. This team is for real. Will they win the cup? Hmmmm, their defense has always been their problem...and if Letang [rightfully] gets a suspension, then they have a problem. Flower is backing up Murray now...so he's good to go. Sullivan, unlike AV is wisely leaving anything that works working. There is a strong possibility they can win the cup. That makes me happy for Hags, sick to my stomach for Crosby (notice nobody likes that guy?). Anyone but the Isles I like to say...so I guess it's alright. I would prefer the Caps...but they are struggling to get out of whatever funk took over them right before the playoffs started. As for the Isles...I dont want to think about it. They were struggling too...have to give credit to both captains - Tavares and Ovechkin..they are coming through for their teams. I disagree with your asessment YORKIE, the Pens changed NOTHING going into the playoffs, Sullivan doesnt change what is working. In fact Malkin is on the third line, he refused to move Benino becuase their second line was so potent. What can you say about the offensive capabilities of a team that has Malkin on their third line? As always, JMHO

WIOSA


Tue May 3 2016 7:59 am EST

Trotz did not understand why Orpik got three games for his hit on Maatta while the Flyers’ Pierre-Edouard Bellemare received just a one game banishment for driving Capitals defenceman Dmitry Orlov into the boards headfirst from behind during the first round. “I’m disappointed obviously with the suspension,” Trotz said. “Looking at it, as Brooks said, it was a little bit late. “Probably looking back in terms of the series before, I’m more disappointed in the length than anything. Dmitry Orlov in the previous series, I thought it was career-ending. They get one game. I know injuries shouldn’t be a factor. Against the board, what have you. “I’m disappointed, but I’m not surprised based on who we’re playing and all that.” A shot at the Penguins and the league, perhaps? Certainly sounded that way. When Trotz subsequently was asked about his comments of “not surprised based on who we’re playing and all that,” he replied: “Take it for whatever you want.” He also implied that Maatta, who will miss Game 3 Monday night with an upper body injury, may already have been hurt in the Penguins first-round series against the Rangers. Ouch.

RF73


Tue May 3 2016 7:37 am EST

Trotz publicly stating the pens get special treatment AV should take a picture so he can see what a coach with balls looks like and then maybe he can go pull his out of one of his wifes drawers and put them back on.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 7:28 am EST

TD What I like about the pens team is they can open it up, go out west and they can run and gun with those guys, I don't think anyone wants to get into a speed and run and gun with the pens right now. I think Sully has the right plan grind out the east the Rangers have done it every year for the last five and who in the east has had better results? No one, say what you want Torts' problem was he didn't know how to use his assets to his advantage he went too far making guys like Gabby play like Nash wants to play now it was too much. Sully seems to understand the difference and knows how to walk that line of defense with offense. I honestly think the pens come out of the east and depending on injuries just may win the cup.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 7:16 am EST

On the Pens: I just don't think that brand of hockey will win out. The Pens aren't a physically strong team and I would frankly be surprised if they get out of this series, much less the conference. I see what you're saying...yeah, the 2012-2012 Rangers with a the top three offensive players on the Pens would have probably beaten LA...but I just don't see how the brand of hockey they're playing will stand the test. The brand of hockey Tortorella --and Sully by extension --plays is going to lead to breakdowns. Playoff hockey is grueling enough as it is without blocking every other shot and basically forming a human shield in the neutral zone. Maybe Sully came in at the right time and can whip the horse across the finish line...I doubt it though. I don't think they'll make it out of this series...and if they do, it'll be more because of the Caps not adjusting...Oddly enough, the Rangers had the Pens' number. Game 2 was EXACTLY how you play that team...they just couldn't execute. We shall see...but I suspect well be watching the Caps/Tampa for a conference final.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 7:09 am EST

York - Think that's the hope. Rhet0ric may have the inside scoop on it, but I haven't found anything saying it's done. Could also be because he was injured last season. He had a mid-season shoulder injury and was postponing surgery so he could finish out his senior year. I suspect the silence on him is largely because any team is going to want him to pass a physical first.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 5:45 am EST

Did they sign Ahti Oksanen or is that a hope?

York18


Tue May 3 2016 5:38 am EST

I don't get why everyone is surprised or think the Pens will fall apart, they are playing old Rangers hockey but what is the difference between those Rangers and these Pens? Simple Corsby, Malkin, Letang, Kessel the Rangers didn't have guys like that who can score or dominate a game end of story had the Rangers had three of those guys against LA they would have won the cup. Hate on them all you want they will beat the caps why? Because they are using the very same formula that has always beat the caps come playoffs. They will beat the Isles and they win go to the cup, will they win it? I don't know, but Sully is playing smart hockey for the playoffs. This team played a different style before the playoffs and knew that adjustments need to be ,met and did so, AV should pay attention.

York18


Tue May 3 2016 1:16 am EST

E - I think the Rangers are going to pull a couple of 'transformative' moves...don't see them just retooling the bottom six and tinkering with third pairing. Sounded suspiciously like they want a culture change...and the easiest way to do that would be ditch AV...but that not happening, I suspect at least one familiar face ain't going to be back...if I were the Rangers, NASH would be that guy...but I suspect the ones who end up getting moved are NOT going to have NTC or NMC clauses...and that's a damn shame...because just about everyone with one of those clauses played like the should be moved. Hard to get a read on this...last year, it seemed like the team was just so close to the cup, all they needed was to make a few peripheral moves...this season, it seemed like they never had a shot and that some major work needs to be done under the hood here...still think if we shored up the rightside and moved Nash, we'd be right back into the mix of things. We'll see shortly I suppose.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 1:10 am EST

rhet0ric - Hope you're right on OKSANEN. Though I'd rather have CAGGIULA, he'd be a very solid pickup, Could probably hop onto the Rangers' bottom six and fit pretty good. Decent size, has a very nice shot. Started as a D man, but has played forward for the past two seasons. He'd probably need to start in Hartford, but would be a very good add.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 12:57 am EST

Ha. Sully trying to trap his way to the conference finals and is too stupid to remember how that sort of game worked out for the Rangers versus LA. Still don't think the Pens make it out of this round, but if they do, they're in for a world of hurt...MURRAY has been getting Sully's black and blueshirt treatment with his D and forwards. They're blocking everything...just a game of rope-a-dope the Pens are playing now...Trotz is buying right into it...incidentally, where are all those pundit who were giving HOLTBY a handjob earlier in the season? I hate both of these teams so much that I can't watch much more than a couple minutes at a time. Just a miserable experience. But man, I will say: This series looks a lot like someone's career is going to end...So funny how we have ORPIK and now LETANG dishing the cheapshots. Two classless pukes bore from the same classless organization.

tdchi


Tue May 3 2016 12:28 am EST

RF: Grabner is on my radar scope given his PK abilities especially. But I also have another Islander: Martin very high on my to do list. But Boedker is also. But I am not under the belief that the top-6 forwards are likely to change. I don't think they're gonna move Nash. Zuc is at a good number and JT and CK will also be at good numbers so I am not seeing much a chance to make big changes. Basically, I think that the bottom-6 forwards will be built internally and with UFA or 2. It's interesting to see what they plan on doing at the blue line. If they do intend to let Yandle walk and he takes his point production with him?On top of a porous defense you also have a blue line that is offensively useless.

E


Tue May 3 2016 12:16 am EST

No way Letang gets suspended. They will easily explain this away saying the head was not the principal point of contact. If they did not suspend him for the Stralman attack, they won't suspend him for that.

Bob


Tue May 3 2016 12:01 am EST

If LETANG doesn't get as many games as Orpik, the NHL should close up shop...and just give the next 20 Cups to the Pens.....TDCHI -Honestly, I know nothing about Caligula....Just my normal reaction to hyped prospects..I'll take him more seriously if he's signed by us..

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 10:09 pm EST

Drew...I hear you..I would rather the Caps win it all, and of course face Brooklyn rather than the Pens. The Isles have a pretty good record against the penguins.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 9:58 pm EST

Murray is another of these big goaltenders in the mold of Bishop. Drives me nuts that this position has come down to the old joke of putting some giant fat sumo wrestler in there who fills the entire net! His positioning is suspect at best but he covers so much net.

NYStranger


Mon May 2 2016 9:57 pm EST

NYStranger (and WIOSA) - you know I'm nervous that a Pittsburgh win just makes an islander road easier - please Tampa Bay, get 3 more wins in a row.

DREW


Mon May 2 2016 9:55 pm EST

Wow Caps feeling the Torts Turtle treatment. Washington dominated large parts of this game but could not get enough shots through...they still had 40 something shots on goal! The idea of Matt Murray's name on the Cup makes me want to puke!!! Does LaTwat even get a chump change fine for his cheapshot hit? It's Buttman's league so....no....

NYStranger


Mon May 2 2016 9:51 pm EST

The Pens have their Fleury successor. Murray with 47 saves tonight....

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 9:50 pm EST

Caps 49-23 sog still lost...although they made it a game in the last 10 minutes. I personally think Ovi and Letang are going to kill each other if this goes on much longer.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 9:28 pm EST

RHET: name away Mon Ami......

mf


Mon May 2 2016 9:28 pm EST

Letang was hit in the head while he was down by Backstroms knee...went to the bench cursing..through the water bottle down. How does that one feel chris?

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 9:17 pm EST

OV scores out of a broken play - wanna break out this boring funk they need to jump on this. Get it shut down via boring check/check/check and oh oh...

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 9:16 pm EST

E: They are into the 2nd round and looking good. So far, that's a good trade in my books if he's contributing by playing regularly, quietly or not.

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 9:15 pm EST

BTW, boring Washington/Pittsburgh game. Check/check/check...

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 9:12 pm EST

RF: Polak has been mostly with Dillon as a third pairing. Quietly doing his thing. Hasn't hurt, hasn't really helped.

E


Mon May 2 2016 9:11 pm EST

Hayes got a nudge, nudge, wink, wink from Sather about never being farmed out - of that I'm convinced. That's been such a roaring success they should give Buch one, too!

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 9:03 pm EST

Nahhh....just a microcosm of our pain....

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 9:02 pm EST

Ha ha...Letang with ANOTHER cheap shot. What a league. The Capitals starting down their annual PO choke. OV invisible as per his usual PO showing. Being a Caps fan might be as frustrating as a Ranger fan.

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 8:54 pm EST

Hospo - I'm not sure who you're thinking of with FATA, but if it's CAGGIULA, then you probably couldn't have picked a worse comparison. Just about the only similarities are that they both play hockey and are from Ontario.

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 8:52 pm EST

Stevie because why should he ride a bus everywhere and get paid 50 grand when he can make probably a couple mil in the KHL

York18


Mon May 2 2016 8:41 pm EST

Hope any deal discussions involving Shattenkirk Include Sobotka and Reaves. Reaves is man beast and would be an awesome 4th liner at a much cheaper price than Glass

PatrickDiv


Mon May 2 2016 8:30 pm EST

Letang again getting pretty dirty...elbowed a Capital right in the face. Must have the negatives on someone

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 8:27 pm EST

Damn,,,Caps cant seem to get any offense going. Theyre getting the sog, but theyre like our sog were...soft, not good scoring chances. One or two on the PP. Theyre shutting down Ovi pretty good.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 8:17 pm EST

Rhet if they give Buch a promise like they probably gave purple Hayes , the kid will come here. I just wonder why he's against the ahl. Maybe he heard about veenyo the anti kid .

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 8:01 pm EST

Thanks RF4L......good signing. Love the idea of Grabmer.

MelvilleFred


Mon May 2 2016 7:50 pm EST

Caligula, such a short Ranger career, and only 28... We're certainly gonna miss him... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aepfYMHr674

mf


Mon May 2 2016 7:28 pm EST

From everything I've been reading, it seems that Ahti Oksanen signing with the NYR is almost a forgone conclusion.While it may not be huge news, it will make me happy :)

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 7:24 pm EST

Stevie... One way deals are about how you get paid, they don't prevent you from being sent down.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 6:58 pm EST

They basically gave dummy Hayes a one way deal. Why not Buch . He will probably play better than all talk gabby .

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 6:43 pm EST

Caligula is just another Rico Fata...pass..

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 6:43 pm EST

WIOSA players like being here they usually live outside the city car pool together, they can walk around without being noticed and get better endorsement chances playing in NY as well. I have never met a player who was happy to leave from playing here.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 6:42 pm EST

This Anti-Russian thing by the Ranger and overload pf good farm bread Mama's boys for Sweden and Can-AM hasn't worked, gotta sign some Ruskies or Czechs....Less Gallant's More Goofus'..Some of you have to remember that one

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 6:40 pm EST

RF4L - Think I've referred to CAGGIULA as a human highlight reel...and the moniker is very fitting. The guy has ZERO quit. Gives 110 percent. I don't know if he'll be a star in the NHL, but he sure as hell has all the tools to be a player...agree it's rather unlikely he'll sign here...personally, I think he'll land in Vancouver...But there's always a chance. The fact that the ND beat writer seems to think the Rangers are much more than a dark horse in this sweepstakes is VERY encouraging. Like I keep saying, they should have contract at his doorstep ASAP if they don't already.

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 6:34 pm EST

RF4L/puck - I posted around the deadline that GRABNER was the guy they should go after...they probably could have gotten him from Toronto for a late-round pick...he would have instantly improved the Rangers' PK. Guy is like grease lightning. Still remember him abusing the Rangers with shorties when he played for the Isles. He'd be a very solid signing if we're not bringing STALBERG back.

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 6:31 pm EST

York - I was thinking Miller-Step-Kreider, Nash-Brass-Zucc...I guess you can argue Miller isn't etched in the top six...but the other five are pretty firmly entrenched...re: McDONAGH, I guess...I just don't see the Rangers getting back nearly what he's worth. I could see Edmonton trading the number four straight up for him, but that's one hell of a risk to take...and certainly that does nothing to solidify the left side of our defense. But then again, you could then resign YANDLE and then have SKJEI and STAAL to balance out the left side. Personally, I really like McD. Always have. And I think I'd rather have him here than Yandle...but if you could land Matt TKACHUK or maybe even Patrick LAINE, it'd be tough to argue against such a move...still get the shakes about the last time the Rangers traded a bunch of established players for high picks...lost SUNDSTROM, CLOUTIER and SAVARD for zippo. Don't want to revisit THAT era...or as the case was, error.

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 6:29 pm EST

Rf- good call on grabner- poor mans Hags.

puckyou


Mon May 2 2016 6:22 pm EST

WIOSA... I posted yesterday that he's holding off signing with SKA because he intends to sign with the NYR. Now if the NYR decide to send him down at any point, I expect he may go back to the KHL in lieu of the AHL, but I would also expect him to have an NHL out clause.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 6:12 pm EST

Correction, it's Rad that's a FA 7/1...dont want him. Pavel B has not resigned with the Russian team. Time to move is now Gorton.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 6:09 pm EST

YORKIE, HOSPO, on Rad, Oh No! No, no, no. Took forever to get 27 out of my head....moving right along, let's hope Pavel shows up instead. Hello Gorton? He's a FA 7/1......ALL as for the players saying they love NY and want to stay here, dont all players say that everywhere? I mean that's a standard thing to say. What player is going to say "well, it's Arizona and I really wish I was in NY or Chicago, but what the hell, I guess if they offer me the right deal". I cant see any player saying that. Coming to NY to play probably has more drawbacks then plusses. First off the fans are extremely demanding. Secondly with the cap in place we no longer can entice with big money, Thirdly, to have a decent commute they have to live in the city, something most families dont want to do. Fourth, We never win the cup. We're cursed. Fifth, they probably have to do more PR work here than anywhere else. There are so many more organizations in the city clammoring for Player appearances. I dunno if I would want to play here if I was a pro athlete. I do know if I was signed here, I would swear to the heavend that I loved it yada, yada...cause that's the right thing to say. Just aas always MHO

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 6:09 pm EST

Rhet: Too easy!!!!

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 6:08 pm EST

york: There is nothing wrong with passion. Nothing at all. That's what you exuded. You let your emotions, however, get the better of you and that's where the clown shoes, as you call them, come in. Being a passionate fan is NOT akin to wearing clown shoes in my world.

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 6:06 pm EST

MF.... Seriously? The guy's name is Drake Caggiula and you don't go for Dracula?

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 6:05 pm EST

RF it was idiotic they made an ass clown out of me for standing up and saying they would show everyone that they would turn it up and on and I believed so much that this team wanted it that yes I called anyone who didn't back them non fans. Like I said I wore my clown shoes because they obviously wanted to play golf more.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 6:03 pm EST

Caligula lived to the ripe old age of 28...dude accomplished more in 28 years than...well, you know the saying. Had 4 wives...4 wives and died at 28....probably ordered the assassination on himself...paying that kind of alimony would drive any man to....

RF73


Mon May 2 2016 6:02 pm EST

A swede/finn who has to work on his play away from the puck you rarely hear that. they are usually complete players

York18


Mon May 2 2016 6:02 pm EST

york: You know your prediction before the Ranger/Pen series started wasn't idiotic. It was your lambasting of anyone who didn't support that belief that was over the top. Trust you get the difference....

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:58 pm EST

I've never him play but given TD's glowing reports on him, I am hoping the chances of the Rangers signing that kid is greater than less than zero!

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:57 pm EST

mf: I figured you or RF73 would catch on to that one! ;^)

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:56 pm EST

Holy crap Hospo - the dark side is starting to squeeze your Ranger soul dude!!! LOLOL...too funny. Welcome back BTW. I've been unable to completely extricate myself from there despite this nice long run of relative success. You did. Kudos to you for that....

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:53 pm EST

'Caligula' Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (AD 12 - AD 41)

mf


Mon May 2 2016 5:49 pm EST

Hospo... What is refreshing is that he talked the talked and walked the walk. He wasn't just providing lip service. A no nonsense deal.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 5:45 pm EST

Per Alex Nunn... "A lot of people have asked me about latest #NYR signing Malte Strömwall so I decided to write something"...: On Sunday the New York Rangers confirmed their signing of Swedish free-agent forward Malte Strömwall to a two-year contract worth $1.85 million. Most replies to the tweet ask a pretty fair and simple question: "Who?" So, who is Malte Strömwall and what are the Rangers getting for their money? .....21-year old Strömwall was a teammate of 2015 third-round draft pick Robin Kovács at AIK last season, leading all skaters in goals and points en-route to the Allsvenskan championship. His campaign tailed off disappointingly, though it still represented Strömwall's most consistent stretch of play in over two years. Strömwall has SHL experience with Växjö, Luleå and HV71, but these patches have been brief and he has rarely managed to stick in one place long enough to get a real run of games. He spent time at four different clubs in 2014/15, including each of the above three, so dropping down to Allsvenskan and skating consistent top-six minutes made sense from a developmental standpoint and has proved to be a wise decision. Much of what Strömwall does well can be said of Kovács too. He is a fast, agile skater with an excellent shot that loves to carry the puck and strike quickly. The pair fit well together and I'd not be surprised at all to see the NYR ink Kovacs to an entry-level deal this summer with an eye toward them playing alongside one another in Hartford next season. Strömwall is a goalscorer first and foremost, but he can make quick decisions on the puck to set up a team-mate too. Like most 21-year old players, Strömwall has creases. His defensive game needs work and it remains to be seen whether or not he can consistently produce beyond a single season. But two years spent with the WHL's Tri-City should mean he has little issue re-adjusting to North American ice and his signing represents a low-risk high-reward addition by the Rangers at a time when they desperately need to refill the cupboard. Upside is what makes Strömwall intriguing. Nobody knows if he will be able to put it together at the highest level and he may need a good amount of time to get there first, but he has core strengths to build on that are almost impossible to teach. For cap space alone he is a gamble absolutely worth taking.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 5:41 pm EST

RHET - Honestly, I don't think it's Refreshing at all....What I mean is, almost all th Rangers love playing here becasue how well they are treated and, to a man, they are all NICE guys..Even our only fighter/checker is nice both off the ice and on the ice....It's for the latter where I've had enough NICE..

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 5:22 pm EST

Antti Raanta is 2 years @$2 mil. $1M cap hit. Great guy who really loves it here. Refreshing.

Rhet0ric


Mon May 2 2016 5:22 pm EST

MFred: 2 years, $1,000,000 per....good contract. Nice start by Gorton, albeit a relatively easy one.

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:19 pm EST

BTW, you want a Hags replacement? How about Michel Grabner? He's got Hags speed, goes to the net and the corners like Hags and has the same stone hands, too! I never saw him play much until this year as a Leaf. He's got a lot of heart and works hard. And he's an UFA in July....

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:17 pm EST

York.....agree on McD. Thrilled Raanta is signed. Didn't check for the details.

MelvilleFred


Mon May 2 2016 5:16 pm EST

E: SJ is doing well so far - where is Polak? They gave up 2 2nds for him but I don't see him playing. I guess he's hurt? And I guess, seeing as they are in the 2nd round and the Rangers were embarrassed in the 1st round, that trade is shaping up as better than Gorton's 2 2nds for Staal. What a disappointment Staal was although I blame AV as much as the player - IMO he wasn't given the players to allow him to play to his strengths. Gawd, 4 firsts and 3 seconds, plus Duclair, AA and Dubi for Nash, MSL, Yandle and Staal. *SIGH*

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 5:15 pm EST

Rads is a hell of a player Hospo has been wishing for him for some time. The guy scores what's more important is where he scores from especially in the KHL he scores in all the same places you score in the NHL he doesn't need the bigger ice surface. The guy can skate and he is fast and being on the smaller rink will benefit him when it comes to his other huge strength that leads to goals, his forechecking much like Hags he is really smart at seeing the passing lane and using his speed to close that gap and intercept the puck harder to do in the KHL due to the larger ice surface but still was a master of it there and will be so even more on the smaller ice surface the difference between he and Hags he can finish. The problem with this guy is he marches to the beat of his own drummer and can pick up and go back to Russia any time you can't build around this guy or even count on him to be around for a couple years. With that said sign this guy up yesterday.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 5:14 pm EST

If those 2 collegiate UFAs aren't signing until/unless Gorton makes a deal or 2 to free up top 6 spots, they ain't signing with the Rangers - or at least Caligula isn't. He likely won't wait that long (re June draft).

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 4:53 pm EST

WIOSA - God, I wanted RADULOV so bad during his draft year...The guy is supremely talented and can physically nasty but, unless he's changed, selfish and one-dimenssional too often....But, you know what, I still want him......Sign him on an incentive loaded make-good one year contract and see what he can do.....The Rangers have been rumored to want him but supposedley the AVALANCHE and ROY are just waiting to sign him on the dotted line....But be warned, the player i think of when i think of RADUKLOV, is my favorite and YOURS and Nick;s ---AK27 AKA Pilot Boy aka Alexaie Kovalev..:)

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 4:35 pm EST

A friend of mine from another site is talking about Alexander Radulov, a former Predator, who left to play in Russia. He's an agressive forward and one of their top scorers. Rumor has it he is looking to come back to the NHL, and possibly the Rangers. He's 29...saw a Youtube video on him,,he's a bit of a loose canon, but defninitey not shy of going to the net.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 4:30 pm EST

glad to hear uncle raanta likes it here, and resigned...looks like a fun guy, and very honest....hope he gets 25 games, and not just 1 at a time mostly on back to backs ...play until he loses....

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 4:28 pm EST

TD Why cant Buch and Cags make the top six here? You can easily remove Fast from the top three lines and move in one of them and you could slide Cags into Staals spot since he will sign somewhere else. That leaves Lindberg as the odd man out and as I have said before trade Hayes move Lindy into his spot and get something for Hayes or package him with another player say Girardi to bring something back.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 4:26 pm EST

td if you arent going for it now why do they need mcD? I think you stand a better chance at retooling moving him than keeping him jmo. I find him way over rated

York18


Mon May 2 2016 4:24 pm EST

And count me as one who is absolutely THRILLED the Rangers are trying to woo Drake CAGGIULA…again, another player who would really help fix some of what is wrong with this team…another feisty player who is all-hustle. Find it very pleasantly surprising that this beat reporter from ND is saying the Rangers are in fact in on him. I don’t see why they wouldn’t be…they should be making very serious plays on both him and VESEY…Part of the problem with Caggiula and also BUCHNEVICH is that both players want a chance to make the team out of camp. The Rangers’ top six as it stands now suggests that’s a very remote possibility. The only way I see any of the three making a solid commitment to the Rangers is if one of the top six wings are moved. And that one is Rick goddamn NASH. I would be aggressively marketing this guy for whatever I could get. The Rangers desperately need the combination of cap space and lineup space. Who cares what we get back for him…

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 4:15 pm EST

SHATTENKIRK would equal the latest failure by the Rangers to get a swift puck mover. I don’t see him as much of an upgrade over YANDLE and you’re going to have to give up some decent assets for him. Probably about the same we gave up for Yandle(good prospect, first rounder and another pick)…I mentioned the Isles and some of the deals SNOW has completed since coming to the team and really they are the types of deals GORTON has to make…we’re talking bringing in young players who have a good upside(drafted high, good AHL careers, and most importantly, young) but haven’t made a big splash yet in the league…Leonard’s laundry list of free agents turns my stomach…One guy who is allegedly testing UFA-dom who would be a GREAT fit in New York is Kyle OKPOSO…supposedly the Isles are going to let him walk…right-hander and just an absolute moose of a player. If the Rangers could move NASH, he’d be a great signing.

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 4:04 pm EST

Well Toronto with MATTHEWS will make the organization’s turnaround almost instantaneous. And I’d say if anyone is still questioning why STAMKOS would choose an organization that is in a rebuild, you really don’t have a leg to stand on any more. Between REILLY, MARNER, NYLANDER and KAPENEN…plus Matthews…this is going to be a very powerful team in short order. I would say if there’s a team that now has the inside edge on Stammer, it’s the Leafs. Very real chance that he could bring home a cup there within a few years…as for the number four pick, I am right along with rhet0ric in wanting to draft Matt TKACHUK…if there’s a player in this draft who would correct a lot of what ails the Rangers, he’s it. The kid is an absolute beast. Really plays a buzz saw brand of hockey to. NHL-ready and could probably hop on the Rangers’ top two to start…but what would that pick cost? I just don’t see anything the Rangers have that the Oil would want that we can easily give them. McDONAGH is a non-starter, because then who do you replace him with? They don’t need any forwards and obviously Hank ain’t going anywhere…STAAL would be a good start, but is he really gonna waive his NMC? And who else do you send? Staal and HAYES? And frankly, I would be surprised if anyone deals in the top five. Very few teams have had the stomach to do that in the recent past.

tdchi


Mon May 2 2016 4:01 pm EST

E by the by feel free to call me an idiot when I am one, like a couple weeks ago when I was telling everyone to believe in this team and that they would win it in 6 and that they were cup contenders. Man I was a real friggin idiot a complete moron, I gladly walk to the podium for my stupid post of the month award with that one. I am under no illusions unlike you.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 3:58 pm EST

E I didn't call you an idiot but hey it's not my fault if that's how you feel about yourself when you get called out there for saying something stupid, just here to help is all.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 3:57 pm EST

E, First I said IF the team wasn't listening to what AV was telling them to do then yes he should have had them running suicides because he's the warden of the asylum and if the inmates are running the asylum then he needs to retake control and show who is boss. Do I think bag skates are common place come playoff time? No, but sometimes you need to whip the horse, especially if they aren't listening which AV kept claiming the whole series. Kind of odd that they weren't listening but he did nothing about it other than cry to the media. Either way a coach who is not listened to by his team is a coach who has lost his team something you claimed didn't happen, which is kind of odd, he didn't lose his team but kept telling the media they didn't do anything he told them and he can't understand why. Second so you now are claiming you have coached which you and I both know is bullshite but that's cool you can blame me call me the bad guy. Why don't you tell us all how the Oilers are set and making money with deal after deal while the previous owner claimed he wasn't making a penny but rather losing money by owning the team and that is why he had to sell, but hey what does that guy know he only owned the team and well you of course are the Oilers accountant right?

York18


Mon May 2 2016 3:09 pm EST

Simply put, because everything with the guy is cherry picking what you state, calling you an idiot and giving himself a high-5. Misreading and cherry picking was exactly the point that seemed to elude him yesterday. He's so busy working on schooling you, and slapping you down that he literally reads whatever he wants to out of your dialogue and has his way with it. It's a losing proposition no matter what. That's why it's always risky to engage him. Better to just leave him be. We all know that for a long time. But I'm gonna drop it because it'll never end with the guy. His history is long documented and we know how this all goes. And it'll never stop, it's just who he is and what he does. So, for the sake of our eyes I'll just go back to having never coached and being enthralled with San Jose. But he is at least 50% right on that one. And that's 100% in his world view. But only 25% if you stated it.

E


Mon May 2 2016 2:52 pm EST

E I don'the want to takes sides but why do you quote only partial sentences that seem to support your view. Read the whole York post about suicide drills...but then there would be no 'I am more right' battles on the wall to entertain us.

NYStranger


Mon May 2 2016 2:44 pm EST

York at 2:13p - practice is not suicide drills... York at 2:16p - ...they should've had a real practice where suicides were done... Pretty much sums it all up............................ You're right... 100% of the time. And I am enthralled with SJ. No denying it. Should I hand in my New York Rangers fan card to you now???

E


Mon May 2 2016 2:36 pm EST

Okay York... Thanks for the course correction. Saved me from the rocks that time. One day, I'll get to fulfill my dream of putting on skates. Until then I'll vicariously live thru you.

E


Mon May 2 2016 2:16 pm EST

I'm curious how many teams have you coached in hockey? I'm betting ZERO. the pens watched video and then went on the ice to work out the new game plan, changed their execution and what was going on SULLY their coach said so, what did the Rangers do? They watched video, never got on the ice never worked anything out. AV screamed they weren't playing the way he wanted well if that's the case then maybe they should have had a real practice where suicides were done to wake them up and remind the who is boss. What did he do instead gave them the day off, yup and how did that work out? Let me remind you since you are so enthralled with SJ all the time the Rangers are golfing.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 2:13 pm EST

E practice is not suicide drills, the rangers didn't even have on ice practice no mandatory practice at all they had film time. The only guys skating were the guys not playing which is why they brought up the AHL goalie so they had someone to shoot on. If you think teams run suicides all year you're kidding yourself they run systems work on what's breaking down and the rangers did NONE of that.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 2:12 pm EST

Dan Boyle- " I didn't think that I was going to blow up but I haven't spoken to Larry all year and then for him to come around on the last day set me off a little and I asked him to leave and he refused the wires got crossed a little and I lost my cool. I wish I could have done it behind closed doors and voiced my opinion out that way. It wasn't the case unfortunately and I apologize to the rest of the media that were there but not for one second do I apologize to him because I meant every word."

E


Mon May 2 2016 2:01 pm EST

York: sooooo... They went thru video and a walk through of the game plan. That's not a full on practice. You know what a full on practice looks like. And what the difference is. You aren't gonna run suicide drills, play piggie and protect the house in April. If that's where your team is, then you shouldn't be in the NHL.

E


Mon May 2 2016 1:38 pm EST

WIOSA I saw one detractor for Wrath Carp and he looked like a tool for everything he said what other detractors? I read and heard multiple people in the industry not understanding why AV won't use Wrath. I think if AV stays Wrath is traded and when that happens I'm done, I'll join RF and watch the leafs. As for Moore his FO ability is sorely needed the problem is that's about the only place of value he has left to play here and I just don't know if that warrants bringing him back.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 12:52 pm EST

WIOSA - That's cool..We all have our ideas but, you're right, it all depends on how that smug douche behind the bench wants to use Mcilrath, not us......We could know by the Draft because if he's only going to be a spare for AV, he has better value to an AV Club as a trade chip for a team out west....Personally, he's in my top 6 next year, but what do I know?..

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 12:46 pm EST

Hospo,,,On Moore, no, many feel his days are over. I like Moore, we need his F/O abilities. Unless we have someone to take his place ( strange since we seem to be ODing in Centres) I would sign him for a year. I cannot see Hayes as a fourth line centre, and he is not that good on face offs. I cannot see Eric (if he's even coming back) as a fourth liner either.....As for DYLAN, that seems to be the consensus among the faithful...it does not seem to be with AV. We are truly limited with our Cap crunch and no DP's so I though we would tweak what we have. I like Dylans work ethic and his shot is truly powerful. He would not be afraid to go to the net, nor defend a teammate. It would free up Tanners 1.3 million...and give Dylan playing time. Not sure, just thought it was an option.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 12:39 pm EST

WIOSA - While speed isn';t Mcilrath's forte, all he need is in more experience to help him in the decision making process...Just how Girarid became a real good defenseman for years without that much speed..and able to play against the best...Just play the kid and he will fo fine agasint most.........I also noticed you mentioning MOORE, I have seens others do the same for next year....Am I the only one that thinks he is basically done and that Rangers should just move on from him??

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 12:09 pm EST

Yorkie, because coach APPEARS to be hesitant to use him...and from what Ive read by his 'detractors' - it's his inability to keep up with the play. NOW, did they mean speed? I did see a little of that, lord knows he wasnt the only one. Did they mean quickness...I dont see that. Then again, Im not a hockey analyst. Are Dylans reactions to the play (quikness) slower than a top rate dman? I honestly dont know...I dont remember seeing him standing there like a deer in the headlights. However, there is something that AV apparently saw in Brady that he liked, and many are saying it was his quick reactions, and ability to keep up with the play. My thinking is, no matter how much you or I or anyone else (and there are a lot) of people feel about Dylan's abilities, it's Coach that matters. If he could play winger..that would release Tanner (sniff, sniff, I happen to like Tanner) and give Dylan some decent playing time and responsibility. It would be an interesting combo IMHO. To be honest someone else was touting him as a winger..I was tossing it around in my head, sounded like a workable solution.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 12:00 pm EST

RF If he is visiting this is also the first I'm hearing about it, last I heard though this was a few weeks ago the Rangers were not even on his radar maybe something changed.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 11:59 am EST

WIOSA The only tool who said he wasn't quick enough or fast enough was Carp and he was dead wrong. He is fast enough and quick enough he more than proved it this season when he played he played less like a rookie and more like a vet and was paired with Yandle who is adventurous to say the least and leaves the zone early and never once did Wrath look like he was in over his head why move him to be a forward makes zero sense.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 11:56 am EST

Oops...Elliotte Friedman tweeted that some dude named Brad Schlossman has stated that the Rangers are very much in the mix for Caggiula....Friedman indicating that he couldn't confirm that he met with the Rangers.

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 11:51 am EST

JUST CURIOUS...let me throw this out there. It has been stated that Dylan is just not fast/or quick enough for some of the top teams in the NHL. Yet his work ethic, heart, hit, and shot just might enable him to convert to wing. What would you think of a line of Moore, Stalberg and McIllrath? Think it might work? Something to think about.

WIOSA


Mon May 2 2016 11:50 am EST

For those hoping Drake Caggiula might come to the Rangers - apparently he visited 8 teams last week and will decide this week who to sign with. The Rangers were not among those 8 teams. Curious why, given the thread bare feeder system (and no picks until number 80 at this point next month) - his choice or the Rangers?

RF4L


Mon May 2 2016 11:43 am EST

Refreshing...Guy must really want to be here...Happy for him/Rangers...His wife is pretty easy on the eyes too....https://twitter.com/annaylijoki1...lovely couple.

RF73


Mon May 2 2016 11:39 am EST

Good signing I really like this guy as the backup, he really played well this season good signing keeping him here.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 11:35 am EST

E Funny the pens lost game two and quickly went to video and then to the ice and practiced it and changed what they were doing Sully stated that it needed to be done. The worst part is after that they just beat the Rangers down and shut them down. I guess you only need to practice if you want to win, if you don't care about winning on ice practice is not really needed.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 11:14 am EST

Surprised they got Rant signed so quickly. Guess the feeling was pretty mutual. That's one less unknown.

E


Mon May 2 2016 11:11 am EST

Stranger: but these are world class athletes most of which have 100's of games together. They know each other's strengths, weaknesses, and abilities backwards and forwards. Believe it or not, most practices are not fitness driven. They are walk throughs. Early in the season, fitness driven and cohesive drills are more important. You're trying to get your team to elevate their play to where it needs to be. Later in the season and the playoffs? You gotta lot of beaten up players who are summoning some weird intestinal fortitude just to get on their skates and take the ice. So, most of what goes on during practice is just staying loose and limber, giving the goalies reps etc... The majority is in the film room. You may then also go out on the ice and walk through things. The guys who practice hard are the guys who won't be playing. Like a Mcilrath type. A guy who is considered an extra. He practices hard to keep his fitness up. And the goalies usually like to see a lot of pucks put their way. Other then that? There isn't too much to be gained by turning up the heat.

E


Mon May 2 2016 11:09 am EST

E - but what really changes if you have the same jockey whipping the horse?...In this case it's not the horse it's the jockey who is the problem and he needs to be turned in to Frau Blucher....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdIID_TGwhM

RF73


Mon May 2 2016 11:07 am EST

I was worried RAANTA was gonna sign elsewhere, but that was pretty quick. I guess a few Russians will be next.

Higgy21


Mon May 2 2016 10:58 am EST

Stevie: that is where you can fault AV. He didn't adjust. Generally speaking, if you have a defense that is leaking like a sib you change your scheme and play it more tightly to the chest. If AV tried to do that (who really knows?) the team didn't respond and was a structured mess. It's not like this type of scheming was alien to the NYR. This is how they played 3rd periods in tight games for a long time. They just didn't adjust. Sometimes you can't whip a dead horse back to life and I think in the end the NYR just didn't have the horses on. The blue line to get it done. That's just being honest. They got competent play from 2-guys: Klein and Skjei. A rookie with almost no experience and a guy who is consistent and steady yet completely unremarkable. And maybe to a lesser degree Yandle. But Yandle is an exception. He needs the puck on his stick and he needs to vacate position in order to make plays. Such is the nature of his role. The rest? They all took turns being a horror show. It is why I don't think the NYR are going to change all that much in the top-6 forwards. But the defense is gonna look significantly different. That what is needed.

E


Mon May 2 2016 10:30 am EST

York, on video instead of on ice practice, I mentioned this a few weeks ago and was shot down. Too much watching video and not enough putting what they learn into practice. Doesn't help when it seems certain players refused to play within the system. Or couldn't. AV'S system is flawed in that it only works when played to perfection. That is impossible to do over the long haul during an NHL season. Also they have trouble ...a lot of trouble, adjusting when it doesn't work.

NYStranger


Mon May 2 2016 10:24 am EST

York the coach and his assistants couldn't get the system to work or be adhered too...that's their jobs...and they should lose them just like players who don't do their jobs....

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 10:05 am EST

HOSPO/ RF73.... I'M just hoping captain ahab , cuts ties with moby veendick.........there should be a decision very soon ....like this week...they have to know this guy is too complacent .....

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 10:01 am EST

HOSPO I'm sorry you don't release in a man on man system if you did players would constantly just skate up to get free. Hull was a master at it he would make like he was going to make a change and then circle back around and come late. You release a player that allows him to circle back around wide open into the high slot loaded for a one timer, Hull made a career out of it, how many times do you see OV do it? A lot.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 9:58 am EST

Stevie what I think got lost here is you aren't chasing the puck, you're shadowing the man. You don't just have to be on top of him, which seems to be the case when problems occur player gets space and the fire drill starts. It's about keeping the player cut off from the net, you don't have to be glued to your player to do that, you don't have to chase him around like he's the hottest girl at the party. Torts was very good at this, he had guys play the man, but also the position force him to the boards, let the other team make the pass and let your other linemates cut the passing lane off. The Rangers were very good at that the last two years, but they still had Torts' system very much instilled in them. They abandoned that this year. Man on Man hockey has been played forever and it's not that it doesn't work, it just doesn't work when players puck chase as opposed to keep their assignment. All too often guys lost their assignments, they tried too hard to look for the stretch pass which you make about three to four feet off the boards, or towards the middle, the problem was teams were anticipating it and cutting that lane off and intercepting the puck causing chaos once the turnover happened because everyone scrambled to find there man and how many times did we see it was a Dman, Boyle or Yandle up in the neutral zone when this happened so now a winger is scammering to get down to cover the lost assignment and here begins the nightmare. They didn't rely on chipping the puck out and worse they would carry it out only to run into a wall in the neutral zone and turn the puck over once again creating chaos. This is AVs fault no one elses. The funniest part about all this is AV talks about how they needed to adjust and change but didn't hold any practices for it. The Pens lost game two and quickly changed things up had video and on ice practice to fix their problems and worked on it. The Rangers nah just video.

York18


Mon May 2 2016 9:54 am EST

Hellooooo Ball!..STEVIE/RF73 - That's the thing i wa biutching about form the the beginning of the seasn, and it never changed...D-men chasing guys all over the place, not releasing when they should, forwards not doing their jobs in fornt of the net......It was a mongolian clusterfuck all year..and all due do to AV and his stubborness (i.e. refusal to change the strategy to fit his players or bench the players at fault---he did neither)

Hospo


Mon May 2 2016 9:50 am EST

they're playing golf now...should change their uniform so they can play both sports.....hello puck.....goodbye puck......FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 8:30 am EST

He did address it.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnx4vFQWO-I

RF73


Mon May 2 2016 8:16 am EST

rf73 gee I wonder who should have addressed that all season long.......

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 7:45 am EST

Sounds pretty F'd up to me...either we are doing it wrong or we shouldn't be doing it at all?

RF73


Mon May 2 2016 5:48 am EST

"So here you have this man-to-man scheme, and often with two or three struggling defensive players on the ice. This is a scheme that relies on everybody doing his job, because it is built on the principle of pressuring the puck. In other words, chasing the puck. If one player isn’t doing his job, isn’t where he is supposed to be, or guarding the man he’s supposed to guard, you know what you get? You get fire drills. You get opponents popping up wide open in dangerous places. You get passes through seams. You get uncontested chances. If more than one player is not taking his man, multiply the problem. So if a puck goes to the point, and a Rangers defenseman chases it to the point, then a forward better be playing “defenseman” near the net. In my opinion, the Rangers didn’t do themselves any favors, with their play around the net – the constant poke-checking, sliding to the ice or going to a knee, not putting a body on the man (Nicklas Backstrom with 5.7 seconds left, with McDonagh watching). They certainly didn’t help themselves with panicky handling of the puck, especially Girardi and Boyle (probably Larry Brooks’ fault) and even the high-risk-taking Yandle. When the defensemen chase the puck to the corner or above the circle, or to the sidewall, or to the point, that creates another problem, even if the other four skaters are doing the right thing. Because they are now defensemen, or skating into a defensive posture (theoretically). So when the Rangers do come up with the puck, the outlet might not be there. If Zuccarello, for example, is doing his job and covering for Girardi at the left post, and McDonagh looks up, where is Zuccarello? Not in any position to take an outlet pass, that’s where. I have seen other teams play a similar style in their own end. But I have noticed, at least I think, that other teams’ D-men stop chasing when the puck goes to a non-dangerous area. I noticed that other teams’ D-men won’t go to the half-wall or to the point in pursuit of the puck. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/02/fixing-the-rangers-defense-the-way-they-defend-is-job-1/#sthash.VmWnvwTc.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon May 2 2016 5:32 am EST

I can see Oradick now on the phone, Gary I got suspended for three games in the playoffs for that hit, (Buttman) I know oraprick, (Oradick) But Gary I have throwing hits like that for years and you never suspended me before (Buttman) Yeah Brooke but you don't play for the Pens any more now do you? (Oradick) Oh Damn I forgot about that, so that's why letang walked away from that head chopping incident (Buttman)exactly sorry buddy welcome to the real NHL.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 10:33 pm EST

Seems as though LA Kings must trade Brown or Gaborik to keep Lucic. Brown with his contract is not worth it, but wouldn't mind Gaborik back if they take back some salary, and we were able to trade Nash. Gorton should look at Boedkker as a Hagelin-type replacement, and Nielsen of the Islanders would be a nice upgrade at Center if Brassard goes.

Higgy21


Sun May 1 2016 10:32 pm EST

Just saw the Oprick hit - gawd I wish someone would concuss that phucker into another stratosphere. He's been doing that crap for years. The NHLPA are truly a bunch of freakin' idiots - cannibals even.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 8:04 pm EST

I love that video on that hit, my question is where was a video like that for the Letang high stick? The irony is if Oradick was playing for the pens and he did that to a Rangers player no call or suspension would have been made see what happens when you play for the wrong team.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 7:58 pm EST

Wiosa.... Clearly all teams are not created equal in the NHL... Also, who needs all those teeth when you have a blender?

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 7:53 pm EST

Rhett....well that's nice, guess. Viktor is the league's. Red headed step child. Hell, he didn't need all those teeth anyway.

WIOSA


Sun May 1 2016 7:25 pm EST

NHL Player SafetyVerified account ‏@NHLPlayerSafety.... Washington's Brooks Orpik suspended three games for interference on Pittsburgh's Olli Maatta. Video: https://www.nhl.com/video/c-43811603 …

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 7:13 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/roussels-penalties-prove-costly-as-stars-drop-game-2-to-blues/

mf


Sun May 1 2016 5:35 pm EST

MF he's playing on a team where he's the only first rounder who can't score for them. Forget that he's not scoring, what's more alarming is his possession numbers and worse how bad he makes the players around him when they are put on a line with him. How is it everyone paired up with him take a 10 point drop in corsi numbers while when removed instantly return back to their normal play? Everyone can't be the problem MF that means HE"S the problem

York18


Sun May 1 2016 5:32 pm EST

MF I'm not trying to be a jerk but do you even pay attention to the crap you post? I mean seriously he's showing potential? He's gotten worse with each passing year, he scored 8 goals do you even realize that he's supposed to be an offensive threat and he scored 8 goals, he makes 2 mil a year and sucks without the puck. He has the worst corsi numbers on his team and everyone who plays with him takes a 10 point drop when on a line with him. He isn't a two way player and he doesn't score and he's showing potential, where exactly is he showing this potential because after that stupid comment I'm starting to think you have no idea what you are talking about. I watched the Oil a lot this year and let me tell you this kid is showing nothing other than he is lost. a 2.5 mil a year fourth liner who is a minus player who can't score and can't play defense and you want to trade for this kid because he was a first overall pick? I don't care where he was drafted he's turning into Daigle the second another guy that came here and couldn't do it. He's Stepan part 2 I can't call him daigle because that's not fair Daigle didn't care about playing hockey he cared about partying and woman.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 5:25 pm EST

And another captain scores to win a game in ot

stevielegs


Sun May 1 2016 4:50 pm EST

Another captain scores in the playoffs . I know one that cost 2 years playoff losses . ...

stevielegs


Sun May 1 2016 4:42 pm EST

Bob: The King won't be happy if/when Gorton does a genuine retool. If he just tinkers, then next year will suck (no POs and AV gets fired as a result, not to mention Gorton's job will be precarious, too) and the King won't be happy either.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 4:30 pm EST

No way Henrik agrees to go to Dallas. Rangers don't rebuild, and that is the only way he would even consider it. Dolan will never allow it. Too much playoff $ at stake.

Bob


Sun May 1 2016 4:28 pm EST

NAIL YAKUPOV LHS, 22.5 y/o, former 1st round #1 pick, signed at $2.5mill for 1 more year...... His profile & stats show potential....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7209

mf


Sun May 1 2016 4:19 pm EST

The Dallas/St Louis game today epitomizes the problem with the Stars goaltending and why moving the King there makes sense. Lehtenon, after playing well in game one, didn't play so well this game and after letting in 3 goals in the first, didn't start the second. This has been going on all year for the Stars. One goalie plays well for a bit, then falters. His mate then gets to play and does the same thing. Their single biggest weakness is between the pipes. Lundvqist would be an excellent fit there IMO (assuming both he and the Rangers are interested in such a move).

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 3:59 pm EST

YAKUPOV tidbit.....That gives Yakupov eight goals and 21 points in 59 contests this season. While Yakupov certainly still has room to grow at the age of 22, it's fair to say that far more was expected from him by his fourth NHL campaign. To say that he hasn't lived up to expectations as the 2012 first overall draft pick would be an understatement. He might find some measure of redemption next season, but it likely won't be with Edmonton. He has expressed interest in being traded and that might be for the best for all parties.......... So the guy asked to be moved.... He is playing on a team with Hall, RNH, Eberle, and now McDavid, & Draisaitl, previously Sam Gagner...... http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/3738/nail-yakupov

mf


Sun May 1 2016 2:51 pm EST

Dupuis, Jagr, Zuccarello are Masterton Trophy finalists.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 12:52 pm EST

NYR Via NY Ranger Prospects ..Ryan Gropp assisted on the series-winning goal in 2OT for Seattle, as they swept Kelowna.... Gropp was 1-1-2 in the series, 3-2-5 in playoffs.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 12:24 pm EST

He was playing 3 and fourth line the last couple years on many a night and still nothing why trade for a fourth liner that makes millions? That makes zero sense and you think everything is so easy get this guy flip that guy you ever notice no team does what you say, wanna know why? Because reality is not as easy as EA hockey trades.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 12:09 pm EST

Y: yes acquire & flip Ference... there will be injuries, teams needs to make the cap floor etc.... If we dont need him, flip for a pick or two

mf


Sun May 1 2016 12:08 pm EST

Y18: I'm not quitting on a kid his age drafted where he did... Can't tell you how many times people did NOT quit on me through my professional carrer which included 15 yrs on Wall St. many as a trader...... Yakupov/Lindberg/Fast on the 4th line, I'll try that all day long, a threat to score, good skaters, two LHS & 1 RHS.... sign me up for that.....

mf


Sun May 1 2016 11:40 am EST

just hire this guy .....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Zubov

stevielegs


Sun May 1 2016 11:22 am EST

MF You're dreaming, get this guy flip that guy when you're playing make pretend it is so easy then you have to join reality and it isn't first off Girardi and Nash aren't getting you the Fourth and those two not a chance.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 11:21 am EST

MF You realize this is a kid who scored 8 goals this season 11 the year before has requested a trade and is a number one overall pick right? They are calling him Stefan Daigle up there. His Corsi numbers are horrible and he has been given every chance to excel there favorable matchups played with all the players and funny thing is they all do better without him, worst of all he had a 35% corsi which is 10 points lower than everyone else on the whole team what does that tell you? So what's the going market on a first overall pick who scored 8 goals and is supposed to be a goal scorer, can't play two way hockey and can't keep possession of the puck while on the ice and drags down his line?

York18


Sun May 1 2016 11:13 am EST

AND... if Yakupov's value is in fact that low, perhaps we dont need to relinquish as much as I previosly outlined to acquire Ference/Yakupov & their 4th round pick for Girardi & Nash or, that his diminished value DOES get the trade done with us eating that amount of salary... Remember, we can turn around and flip Ference.... AND if we can turn HAYES into SHATTENKIRK, get er done......

mf


Sun May 1 2016 11:08 am EST

York: I'll go back tom research whether YAK has a problematic attitude.. With the limited amount that I have read about him here or on the net, I have Not read that he has/had an attitude problem... Should be easy enough to confirm, we don't need an offshoot of the Hayes "tude."

mf


Sun May 1 2016 11:02 am EST

YORK--I think that you know that I am a McIlrath fan. I just think that AV isn't, so I fear they will trade him away. I have never disagreed with your assessment of Dylan. The Rangers have needed a guy like him back there since Beuk retired.

Bob


Sun May 1 2016 10:59 am EST

MF Sorry but one the Caps are owned by a HUGE company they are never going to be hurting for money and two I love watching OV play but he's not a generational player, he doesn't make players around him better he's not on the level of a McDavid Crosby, Mario, TGO he's a goal scorer, much like a Mogilny, Hull Etc.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 10:58 am EST

Bob why would they trade Wrath if AV is staying? Who do you think will have a longer career as a Ranger AV or Wrath? AV is on the bubble he may be gone before next season is over, you don't trade a young player like Wrath because of the coach.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 10:57 am EST

MF where do you get this stuff? you live in fantasy land teams will line up for Yak, yeah line up with low offers no one is giving up big things for him he has an attitude poor work ethic and the typical russian ego.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 10:43 am EST

I also think it important that the Rangers bring in a veteran Russian player to help Buchnevich acclimate. Maybe Sergei Nemchinov could be hired as an assistant coach?

Bob


Sun May 1 2016 10:31 am EST

Harvey Fialkov of the Sun-Sentinel: The Panthers will be making some tweaks to improve their roster for next season to help them take the next step. Re-signing their leading scorer Jaromir Jagr should be a top priority for them. Willie Mitchell hasn’t announced his retirement, but it’s doubtful they bring him back as a player. He could becomes an assistant coach/penalty killing advisor. The Panthers have to decide on whether to bring backup goalie Al Montoya back, try to sign James Reimer or wait for Samuel Montembeault to develop. They should re-sign defenseman Brian Campbell, but only if they are able to get him at a bit of a discount. GM Dale Tallon is expected to make multi-year offers to Erik Gudbranson and Vincent Trocheck. The Panthers could have $25 million in cap space. Tallon could look at pending UFAs Keith Yandle and Loui Eriksson. Source saying the Panthers are in talks with Alexander Radulov ....MF... Keep in mind that Yakupov didn't get traded last season because the max offer they could get for him was a 2nd round pick.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 10:14 am EST

RF: Who cares? It does not matter.. We're in a pickle, but theres a way out... It's not a perfect world situation (duhhhhh) but it can be made to work.... no stones left uncovered!

mf


Sun May 1 2016 10:14 am EST

RF4L--Leonard also makes another good point. With AV returning, figure McIlrath to be dealt away. Would McIlrath get the Rangers Yakupov? I agree with your opoinion on McD being the only ship enticing to the Oilers. I just don't believe the Rangers will do that. As for free agents.........Isn't Goligoski a UFA this Summer? he would fit into the AV system.

Bob


Sun May 1 2016 10:13 am EST

Antti Raanta said that it would be nice to return to the Rangers this summer. He said, "it has been a great place for me to be and me and my wife have been really happy to be part of the Rangers. The city of NY has been great for us. We will see what happens." (NYR) Raanta is a UFA who had a cap hit of $750,000 but an actual salary of $800,000. He was 11-6-2 this season for the Rangers with a 2.25 GAA and a .919 save percentage. Larry Brooks writes that Raanta played well enough in his role and added that it will take a "meaningful upgrade" in salary and cap hit to prevent Raanta from becoming a UFA. (NY Post) Brooks adds that if the Rangers let Raanta go it will "cost just as much" to get a back up goalie as dependable as the one they currently have. (NY Post) The Rangers have Magnus Hellberg signed through next season at a cap hit of $625,000.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 10:13 am EST

RF: we take back Ference instead of Poulliot and then flip him elsewhere... In the meantime, they can always move Poulliot and teams will line up for YAKUPOV.... If we could get Ferrence Yakupov & their 4th for Girardi & Nash & we eat some salary like I outlined, I'd do it in a NY Minute... Remember, regardless of where Yakupove fits in, he's 22-23 y/o Russian which may help BUCHNEVICH feel more comfortable in the transition to the North America & the NHL

mf


Sun May 1 2016 10:12 am EST

mf: OK, but if that's gonna go down the Rangers will have to eat at least half of Nash's salary. His contract is odorous - he's gonna be very very tough to deal and I'd argue impossible without keeping some salary on the Ranger cap. The same goes with Girardi. Gorton's got his work cut out for him. The Rangers are a mess contractually IMO.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 10:09 am EST

I brought up Edmontons GA's because it is obvious that NASH is a Defensive Stalwart of a Forward... :-)

mf


Sun May 1 2016 10:05 am EST

mf: There is ZERO chance of such a deal happening IMO. It would bloat the Oilers payroll and do very little to address their biggest problem - top end defensemen. I'm convinced that if you want to deal with the Oilers, unless you're content with a lesser return (re Yakapov) you start your offer with McD.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 10:04 am EST

Rhet: Are you prepared to have the Rangers McD-less next year? Just curious - he's a bit of a lightening rod for Rangers fans in that regard. Some view him as crucial to any success going forward and others see him as a viable trading chip, perhaps the Rangers only real one. I'm in the latter camp and would argue that anyone else on the team comes with warts, be it contract and/or perceived ability. That isn't to say no one but McD is tradeable; it means the return any would fetch is questionable.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 10:03 am EST

Edmonton gives up and has given up way too many goals over the years... They threw a $4mill p/r deal at Donnes La Lune - Bedn-Wah balls- Poulliot who was injured most of last season....... Anyone know their feeling about Poulliot???? Do they feel he is addition by subtraction... If YES, perhaps they wantNash with his two yrs remaining and take the $3.8 additional cap hit... What I'm getting at is, Girardi & Nash for POULLIOT and that 4th pick, maybe we eat some salary like $800K for 2 years on NASH and $500K for the 4yrs remaining on Girardi..... Tweak the mutha to make it work & get the 4th overall pick.....

mf


Sun May 1 2016 9:59 am EST

Ryan Gropp's Seattle Thunderbirds are in the WHL final staring next weekend. He's back from injury and has played 6 PO games, putting up 3 goals and 5 points.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 9:59 am EST

York: no one argued that so here we are again. You misunderstand the statements of others, aggressively attack their position with something else and argue that point to the wind. Honestly, I have no idea what you're arguing other then to say your point is correct. But that has absolutely nothing to do with my point. And so just let it die on the vine. You're correct, you used facts, and I have no idea what I'm talking about. Take a lap.

E


Sun May 1 2016 9:58 am EST

Gents, if we could move Girardi & Nash which IMO are two of the three Albatross contracts, then Gorton has done well.... HockeyBuzz has the currently signed CAP hit (salaries) for next season at $54.150 mill (call it $54mill) .... Subtract Girardi $5.5 & Nash $7.8 clears another $13.3mill which brings us down to $41.850 mill...... Go out and land SHATTENKIRK... If you folks will review the current makeup of the STL Blues Dcorps you'll see a glut on the RHS in terms of players and the dollars allocated to their Defense.... With Pietrangello as their 1st pair RHD, they have a 1A & 1B and they have this kid PANYanko (sp?) currently playing the LHD but he is a RHS..... Again, STL has openly stated that they want to engage in a Hockey Trade, ie: players for players, I take that to mean, Not Picks....... IMO, we should reinforce out D which IS our strength.... This coming season, it is shit or get off the pot time for AV to prove he has full faith in MCILRATH, and I expect the NYR Brass to tell AV he's staying, and you use him without prejudice... Skjei/Staal/Mcd, Klein, Shattenkirk/McIlrath/Hank/ & Uncle Auntie are your lines of defense....... Trade Yandle, and EStaals rights for whatever, a 3rd 4th or 5th pick which may be able to be packaged to trade for a higher rounder like they did with GROPP... Trade GLASS, do Not resign MOORE...... IF we keep HAYES because of his age, move LINDBERG to the wing, and unless E Staal comes back in a cap friendly contract, lets kick the tires elswhere like on DAVID Backes IF STL doesn't resign him...... jmopinions natcherally

mf


Sun May 1 2016 9:55 am EST

Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger .... I see Buchnevich put in to hypothetical NYR line-ups at LW all the time. Has not played there besides the odd game in well over two years ....YORK... The headline says that the 4th overall pick is available (not 1-3). I'd take it.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 9:46 am EST

Watched about 15 minutes of the Pen/Cap game and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....Buttphuck sure has done wonders for the game, hasn't he?

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 9:41 am EST

mf: The King probably requested it...

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 9:39 am EST

IMO, the only way you get the number 4 pick is via a deal including McD...

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 9:34 am EST

RF: we couldnt get AVishysoisse to watch the TOI minutes of Dmen... It may be a great expectation asking him to bench a healthy Lundqvist to manage the minutes....

mf


Sun May 1 2016 9:32 am EST

Alex Ovechkin: Washington Capitals, small market team, 2004 #1 http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4729

mf


Sun May 1 2016 9:30 am EST

If Edm would take Girardi man I would do it in a second the truth is I don't think the Rangers have anything that the Oil want for that pick unless they want Nash Girardi and Hayes

York18


Sun May 1 2016 9:30 am EST

Agree with LB that the King's number of games next year should be reduced. Also like the fact that he brings up AV's inexplicable decision to start the King in back to back games late in the season when the PO picture had already been settled. Stupid, like many of AV's roster decisions seemed to be all season long. Is he fired yet?

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 9:29 am EST

You must really consider the circus, It just might be your kind of zoo, I can't think of a place that's more perfect, For a person as perfect as you. (Grateful Dead)

mf


Sun May 1 2016 9:26 am EST

rhet I don't see anyone moving the top three all those guys are sure fire NHLers come Oct. As for TGO still my point where did he play his career to start Edm, Mario Pitt, Crosby Pitt, now McDavid after they have sucked so long, Edm. You can't ignore the pattern.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 9:24 am EST

Aivis Kalniņš ‏@A_Kalnins (Hockey writer for One Puck Short covering - #KHL)...... Pavel Buchnevich has a deal on the table with SKA, decision far away, main interest is NHL. #Rangers

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 9:08 am EST

Blowhard Burke said after the lottery his pick could be available (#6). Chiarelli made it clear the #4 is available. He made a comment about not many defensemen in the first several picks being there.

RF4L


Sun May 1 2016 9:00 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/05/01/nhl-awards-finalists-and-what-that-means/#sthash.BhAQ4YlK.dpbs

stevielegs


Sun May 1 2016 8:57 am EST

"Pavel Buchnevich, his KHL contract having just expired, is now free and clear to sign with the Rangers. But there is work to be done, namely convincing the 21-year-old winger — who opted to stay in Russia last year at least partially because he wasn’t confident he could make the Rangers and thus avoid an assignment to AHL Hartford — that now is the time for him to come to North America and New York, where there is a top-six spot on the ice and a stall in the locker room waiting for him. The Blueshirts badly are in need of a talent-injection. They must restructure their defense, obviously, but they also require a difference-making forward with top-end skill. Two would be even better going forward. Though it is to no one’s benefit to put too much pressure and too many expectations too soon on this 2013 third-rounder (75th overall on the selection acquired from Columbus in the Rick Nash deal), the Rangers are counting on Buchnevich to develop into an impact player.".......The window may have closed on the group of Rangers, but it is not closed on Lundqvist, who carried his team nearly all year but finally broke and did not play up to his standards against Pittsburgh. Lundqvist started 64 games, including 20-of-21 from mid-December into the second week of February, with Antti Raanta sidelined with a concussion for the first four of those contests. For whatever reason, perhaps with Lundqvist’s input, coach Alain Vigneault went with the King back-to-back in the final week of the season even after the team had clinched a playoff spot. But starting next year, the Rangers will be obligated to reduce Lundqvist’s workload from this season’s 64 starts to the 55-58 start neighborhood. They only can expect so much for so long from the team’s franchise player. And as such, it is imperative the Blueshirts have an understudy they can trust with upward of 25 starts. Raanta clearly played well enough to be entrusted with that assignment. It is going to take a meaningful upgrade on Raanta’s cap charge of $750,000, but it is on general manager Jeff Gorton to sign the pending unrestricted free agent before he gets to the July 1 open market. Or else it will cost just as much to get a back-up perhaps as dependable and as good a fit as the one they already have. .................http://nypost.com/2016/05/01/ridiculous-playoff-system-robs-fans-of-great-late-round-games/

stevielegs


Sun May 1 2016 8:52 am EST

The trade rumor that just wont go away.... "Leonard: Rangers should trade for Blues' Kevin Shattenkirk, part ways in Nash, Yandle" ....http://nydn.us/1YZjQIb

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 8:41 am EST

Pavel Buchnevich is now free to sign with the New York Rangers..... https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/pavel-buchnevich-is-now-free-to-sign-with-the-rangers/175599040

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 8:35 am EST

Anyone want a pick? ......Report: Top 3 picks 'unlikely' to be moved; Oilers' No. 4 pick 'in play'.....http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1018809

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 8:31 am EST

TGO was an exception to the rule as he was never drafted. He signed with the Racers in the WHA, got sold to Edmonton when they had financial trouble and then came over in the WHA/NHL merger.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 1 2016 7:03 am EST

it's a lottery no one is supposed to know in advance like I said the league has its agendas which is why you will never see a generational player in NY unless he comes as a free agent.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 6:57 am EST

At the draft lottery they asked the VP did he know the results in advance. He said no. Did he ever know in advance and he said yes but not last year. Bet the ranch if the truth was ever revealed Crosby to the Pens was known because it was preplanned. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

gene_carr


Sun May 1 2016 5:31 am EST

E, I'm right because I'm using facts not opinion that's the difference. Find me one generational player from after the 70's that played in a major market and was drafted by said team and played there, you can't. The modern era of hockey has catered to expansion, Look at the facts Gretzky, Mario, Crosby, McDavid is it coincidence that all four were with the same two teams from day one? I guess, maybe but two is a coincidence three is a pattern and we have four. Fact two you claimed Edm was doing great again YOUR opinion, the former owner of the team stated the exact opposite saying they mostly operated in the red I'll take what the former owner says and take that as fact because the guy didn't want to sell the team, he just didn't want to lose money which makes perfect sense compared to your idea of they are financially doing great. I also pointed out that there are a few teams in the NHL that you would think are doing well but run in the Red and Buff is another. It's not about engaging me and me thinking I'm right, it's about facts being presented as opposed to opinions.

York18


Sun May 1 2016 12:26 am EST

York: I'm wrong all of the time and I'm more then okay with that. Just like you can be right all of the time because well... And that is why it's usually a risky proposition to engage you.

E


Sat Apr 30 2016 10:19 pm EST

....!@#$ Penguins won. I used to like Carl Hagelin. C'mmon Caps.

WIOSA


Sat Apr 30 2016 10:06 pm EST

OMG.... I have NEVER DESPISED DOC EMRICK more than I do NOW.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 9:17 pm EST

Forget romantic fantasies—rebuild Penn Station without uprooting the Garden........ http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20160429/OPINION/160429858/forget-romantic-fantasies-rebuild-penn-station-without-uprooting-the#utm_medium=email&utm_source=cnyb-dailyalert&utm_campaign=cnyb-dailyalert-20160429

mf


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:40 pm EST

Trade.... Clamor, clamor, clamor.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:33 pm EST

E actually you're telling me Edm is making money and they are fine, their last owner is stating otherwise so a-b=E being wrong. The league being better with McDavid in Toronto again your opinion, funny how I show you how generational players never go to major markets and you come back with some smart ass answer acting like you're right and I'm being crazy. It's all good, I understand it hurts to be wrong but it happens.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:31 pm EST

Tradestar I disagree they sign Stamkos and draft Matthews and that team has made a complete turnaround they can play them 1-2 or together since both can play centre and wing. Even if they are crazy and pass on Matthews they take Laine and they have a winger to play with Stamkos and make a complete turn around and are a serious threat. The question remains where does Stamkos want to go, no doubt Toronto still wants him every team in the league wants him.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:28 pm EST

E: A+B=C. York: M+A^X-C= 3 I think you just read what you want to read. Cherry pick it, argue against it and declare yourself correct. Let's just agree to disagree. To what? I have no idea.

E


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:21 pm EST

E what is there to get the league doesn't care nor worry about the major markets why do you think generational players don't ever end up in major markets till it's too late. Montreal had that noose around the french players till the league removed that and since then the large markets don't get the generational players, Edm they had a bevy of them, Mario to Pitt Crosby to Pitt, McDavid to Edm you starting to see a trend here? You can think you're right all you want you're not it is that simple Edm is not a money market they rely on jersey sales to keep them going, Mcdavid jerseys will sell like hot cakes sooner than later and that helps edm. Like I siad was their last owner lying, or are you just misinformed and your opinion on their finances is wrong? I think I'll go with the old owner who said owning the team was a bad business said he loved owning a them it was his dream but it was not smart money wise as the team operated in the red. What does he know he only owned the team? Funny but there are a few teams in this league you would think are financially secure that seem to have the same problem Buff is another as is a couple other teams. Toronto needs know help and generational players transcend their team if they aren't hated like a Crosby kind of is, TGO was loved pretty much everywhere by fans and Mcdavid is that kind of personality where edm can use him and in toronto he wouldnt have had the same effect.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:16 pm EST

Toronto getting #1 is good for the NYR fans who are clamoring for Stamkos possibilities

TradeStar28


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:01 pm EST

If Edmonton's 4th overall pick is available, I'd be happy to take Matt Tkachuk.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 8:00 pm EST

It's absolutely bizarre to think that from the league perspective the marketing of a player like McDavid in a TO jersey is in some way less or at minimum not beneficial to the league then putting him in Edmonton. I'll leave it here. Small markets saturate quickly. And if they are killing it with media draw, and solid gate the top is what it is. The Oilers with McDavid and without McDavid are just scalable with less new base to tap into. McDavid to TO would be an insane coup for the league. Big cities always have more room to add to the base, and create buzz. It's not what TO needs in terms of product, it is what they'd do bang for the buck if they had him. But its irrelevant and only matters in the multiverse.

E


Sat Apr 30 2016 7:54 pm EST

Drew,,,I hear you....but I do feel a tad better....ALL Caps being outshot 11-1 by Penguins, BUT, no score.

WIOSA


Sat Apr 30 2016 7:19 pm EST

Bunch of wet panties in Toronto tonight....

mf


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:14 pm EST

And.......how much does anyone want to bet that Auston Matthews ends up a Devil tonight?

Bob


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:12 pm EST

I don't know about that. but I will never believe that lottery was not rigged.

Bob


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:10 pm EST

Bob.... Until this very day I believe the NYR were #1 and the Penguins were #16 back in 2005 and Bettman switched the cards to keep Pittsburgh afloat.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:05 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ✔ ‎@TSNBobMcKenzie..... I really can't find anyone to suggest the Big Three aren't the Big Three. What separates them is they are NHL ready, immediate impact guys.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 5:50 pm EST

E it makes zero sense to put McDavid in toronto at all. They don't need him for anything they are the team worth the most in the league if not the most the second most either way they are worth a ton, there is zero need to help that franchise at all. Edm has been a laughing stock and Mcdavid will help change that, you want to see the leagues ties to edm look no further than Buttman telling Dolan that Sather would be best suited for the job in NY keeping his buddies in work. Buttman is friendly with all the edm boys Lowe. McT etc. As for the Yotes now, I don't care about them now, I'm talking about when the league couldn't even find anyone to buy the team, that's not a good sign despite what you think you saw a team that can't be sold is a team that is usually losing money and to say they weren't losing money, or that Edm wasn't losing money you have ZERO clue to what was going on. I remember Todd Mcfarlane who bought in with a group of people to buy the Oilers stating he loved owning them but it's not good business to own a company that is always in the red. I guess you know more than the guy that owned the team too?

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 5:24 pm EST

York... That's the point. We have to protect both Girardi and Staal because of their NMC's. We wouldn't have the choice. ...Stevie.... I'm guessing Bettman reviewed NMC team by team because only Chicago has 3 defensemen with NMC's. No one has four. Having an expansion draft next season could go a long way in determining whether or not we re-sign a Yandle.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 5:13 pm EST

And don't undersell Phoenix. They have been drawing at over 80% I was there twice and in both cases against non marquee games. Calgary and Nashville. They are nowhere near also ran status any longer. They are on their feet. I don't know about their media deal or the scope of their fan base. I've seen them play SJ and the Ducks over past few seasons and I didn't exactly see a lot of Coyote jerseys around. But I'm sure their media deal falls under the Fox umbrella and outside of the ancillary I have no reason to doubt their fiscal viability being maintained at the gate and media deal. They're in good shape. Not that it's been stated but I also now don't buy the whole, "there isn't enough talent to sustain every team in the NHL." Maybe teams aren't as stacked but the talent pool is deep. I just put it like I do with teams like the Lakers or the Celtics or any other league. Certain teams transcend players. The constant is that they know how to win. And we can now say that about the Los Angeles Kings and Chicago. With forever morphing lineups they have picked the right players to build a core and coach and everything else is taking care of itself.

E


Sat Apr 30 2016 5:07 pm EST

WIOSA - if TB can win 3 more games ; )

DREW


Sat Apr 30 2016 5:02 pm EST

Edmonton is 100% sold out I read some time ago. They have a strong media deal with Rogers, receive ample amount of national TV. Their market was/is saturated. I don't think that there was much upside. In fact, that's been the big issue that Edmonton complained over. They needed a much more media savvy arena in order to bring up the market around the arena. Ultimately, the league had no further reason to want McDavid in Edmonton. He won't salvage any lost revenue. And despite Bettman's constant stubbornness in trying to maintain in non traditional markets if anything sending McDavid to TO makes infinitely more sense. The marquee team north of the border with the best young talent in the NHL? The only thing better could possibly be The Los Angeles Kings that has a huge market but only as long as the team wins. The hard and truthful reality about Edmonton has been very simply what's plagued them since they shredded the old guard is that they don't know what they're doing. Mismanagement, poor scouting, lousy coaching. Outside of maybe Colorado has any team done less with more? Bettman wants marketability and revenue.

E


Sat Apr 30 2016 5:00 pm EST

Drew..Feel better?

WIOSA


Sat Apr 30 2016 4:41 pm EST

BOB the reason Edm got McDavid is simple Toronto is a self sustaining market, it doesn't need McDavid to survive, or bring in extra revenue etc. Edm on the other hand needs all the help it can get. Like I said the league protects its interests, another example, the Devils lose their first rounder because of the whole Kovachuk situation and upon buyers stepping up to purchase the team the pick is promptly returned. A complete joke, what kind of league can operate a team (Coyotes) and still call themselves unbiased? It's a conflict of interest that is why in the old days the big three were forced to sell off one team because they found it to be a conflict of interest to own more than one team. How do you run a league and you're supposed to be unbiased when you are controlling multiple teams like the devs and the Yotes?

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 1:33 pm EST

Not to get too far ahead of things but by miracle if the Isles came out of the east I wouldn't like them over SJ, or St. Louis. They'd match better against Dallas or Nashville. But I'm sticking to the Caps over SJ.

E


Sat Apr 30 2016 12:29 pm EST

Drew...All I know is the bettings sites predictwise.com has the Caps to win it all and its' been that way all season. After the Caps comes the Sharks, Dallas, Blues, Pens, Ilses, Bolts, in that order. How accurate have they been ??? I dunno. But people who are betting their money are going in that order.

WIOSA


Sat Apr 30 2016 12:03 pm EST

Here’s the deal as I understand it…Back in the day the Pens & their ownership were on the verge of bankruptcy…on top of that and additionally, the Pens still owed Mario a shitload of contract money they also did not have… The league, to save face from another team going down the toilet / need to be bailed out / having to move, made a deal with Mario… Lay low on the money…we’ll “get you” the #1 pick in the Crosby draft AND you’ll get a piece/ownership of the “saved” franchise… Fast forward to today as confirmed by the recent Business Week article and the league is again trying to “help” Mario increase the value / sell the team that is up for sale but it is at a “reduced” value currently ($750MM) …A value which would increase considerably the farther they go in the playoffs / win the Cup… Ultimately the actions / collusion can all be summed up with the famous line…”Jake, it’s Chinatown”

RF73


Sat Apr 30 2016 11:54 am EST

Guys I need help - walk me off the ledge again. Any chance TB can win this series against the ISISlanders? Anyone else nervous they'll win a cup easily this year while we came so close? Karma isn't working for the islander fans that I know. They got to talk and now are cup bound.

DREW


Sat Apr 30 2016 11:40 am EST

Mario saved the Pittsburgh franchise. As much as I can't stand the guy, that is a fact. As for last year's lottery......what I don't get is that of it was going to be rigged, why McDavid would not be in Toronto. Clearly Kevin Lowe was a disaster in Edmonton.......as bad as Sather has been in New York. The Rangers had repeatedly sucked before the Crosby lottery. I remember watching the lottery and I can still see that weasel Bettman opening the envelope for the 15th pick. I could not believe it. A lottery for all the teams in the league following the lockout, not done like they usually are where one team wins and all the rest fall into place based on record. It was a hosing of the highest order. At the worst, the Rangers should have had the 3rd or 4th pick. And when it came down to Pittsburgh or Anaheim, there was no question who was getting it. The fact that Mario billeted Crosby and translated the same elitist, a-hole attitude to Crosby made it even worse. Now Mario and Burkle are trying to sell the team. Any question about the idiotic penalties called in the first round series? The excuse made by the department of player safety for Letang's attack on Stralman? My opinion is that hockey is such an incredible sport that, even with the current NHL management, they cannot screw it up. They change and apply the rules differently based on NHL office and owner's agendas. It is like a cartel. And nobody gets called on it......nothing ever leaks.......and the clubs make money hand over fist since the cap. I believe that we are 2 seasons from the next lockout, where the owners can once again extract pounds of flesh from the players. meanwhile, you about need to take out a mortgage to pay for tickets. I have often thought that if I lived in Canada, I would gladly satisfy my need for a hockey fix by going to juniors games instead of the NHL. No way to do that in Southern California. Sorry for the rant. This subject always makes me angry.

Bob


Sat Apr 30 2016 11:21 am EST

I absolutely think the draft is rigged, Mario needed a marquee player they gave him a few. They let him pay himself 1 mil to avoid money issues when he returned to the league which was a joke. Edm getting how many first overalls is ridiculous. And as bob said the Rangers have as good a percentage as Pitt getting the first overall and they end up drafting 15th? That is just insane.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 11:17 am EST

Ever notice how teams that tank and need new buildings seem to win the lottery? Last year, it actually seemed legit because even the NHL could not sell Edmonton getting that pick after all the years of taking.

Bob


Sat Apr 30 2016 11:11 am EST

Restrictions like that would prevent the NHL from rigging the lottery to help specific teams who are in trouble or favored. Reference the Crosby lottery, when the Rangers had the same mathematical chance as Pittsburgh but got the #15 pick. The NHL felt they HAD to take care of Mario.

Bob


Sat Apr 30 2016 10:56 am EST

FWIW I get the notion that you want to give lousy teams a chance to get better and having them draft higher than successful teams is valid from a conceptual basis. However, endless sucking shouldn't be rewarded. I like the idea that you can only have so many top end picks in a given period of time. Don't limit it to first all overall - maybe top 5 or something like that. You can only have 2 top 5 picks in a 5 year period. If you suck like the Oilers have, it means after the 2nd year, the highest they can select is 6th (which is still good).

RF4L


Sat Apr 30 2016 10:27 am EST

STANGER that's my point losers are rewarded with generational talent while winners are left working damn hard to build a team. My Lord Chiarelli can come out of this looking like the greatest GM ever if he does this right in the next couple years/ He can build the team around McDavid and Hall, take this years pick and turn that into solid NHL players and get himself a goalie and be a contender within the next three years, even a cup finalist if done correctly.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 9:44 am EST

At the very least York a team that gets the 1st overall should not be eligible for 5 years or something like that. Or if you get first overall you imediately go to the end of the line and can no longer get the first overall until all other teams have gotten one. That way in 30 years time every team would eventally get the 1st pick. They would have to work out a lottery system to make this work of course but the current system of rewarding losers does the league no good. Look at all the promotable talent wasting away in Edmonton as an example. Who outside of hardcore hockey people ever heard of McDavid?

NYStranger


Sat Apr 30 2016 9:38 am EST

Sounds like the NHL and players assoc. will need to work out some things. No way individual contracts can supersede something like this. I am wondering also if there will be a buyout period as well. Should be interesting. Hey while they are at it Buttman should put an NHL in every State so each team only has 1 or 2 true NHLers ! Effing joke....they should be contracting not expanding.

NYStranger


Sat Apr 30 2016 9:33 am EST

Also to stop this tanking nonsense it's time for it to be a real lottery where everyone has one ball that is it, no better chance at number one than anyone else you get your position if you win or not during the season. You will quickly see teams no longer tanking to build a franchise because the team that wins the cup will have as good a chance at drafting a gernational player as the team that was the worst in the league as it should be you should not be rewarded for sucking.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 9:32 am EST

I'd leave Girardi unprotected before Klein or Wrath. I'd lead Nash unprotected as well, he is like a carrot dangling out there to avoid losing someone else and it would lighten the cap issue two birds.

York18


Sat Apr 30 2016 7:54 am EST

Also tonight, in addition to this afternoon’s Eastern Losers Bracket Game 2, and tonight’s Eastern Conference Final Game 2, is the NHL draft lottery. The odds of winning the Tankers’ Lottery, courtesy of NHL.com: (Fewest Points to Most) Odds Toronto Maple Leafs 20.0% Edmonton Oilers 13.5% Vancouver Canucks 11.5% Columbus Blue Jackets 9.5% Calgary Flames 8.5% Winnipeg Jets 7.5% Arizona Coyotes 6.5% Buffalo Sabres 6.0% Montreal Canadiens 5.0% Colorado Avalanche 3.5% New Jersey Devils 3.0% Ottawa Senators 2.5% Carolina Hurricanes 2.0% Boston Bruins 1.0% - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/04/30/one-expansion-draft-hurdle-down-more-to-come/#sthash.p6416nwZ.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat Apr 30 2016 7:53 am EST

so if a team had all their players with nmc or ntc then what ?..

stevielegs


Sat Apr 30 2016 7:42 am EST

It has not been clarified yet if protection of a NMC will go against one of the slots teams have to protect players or if it will be an automatic type thing and we can use those protection slots on other players. If we went in to the next offseason with this same group of players, this would be our protection list (IMO)....7 Forwards.... Stepan, Brassard, Zuccarello, Kreider, Miller, Fast, Lindberg.... Defense... McDonagh, Girardi (NMC), M. Staal (NMC).... Goalie.... Hank.... Skjei and Buchnevich are exempt. This would leave players such as Nash, Hayes, McIlrath and Klein left unprotected. I think Hayes would be traded instead of losing him for nothing, if not, he may be protected over Fast. We can only lose a maximum of 2 players and we have to leave at least 1 NHL calibre defenseman left unprotected (screw you Bettman!). AHL players like Jensen could also be taken. I'm hoping that NMC will be auto protected and we will still be able to protect 3 other defensemen, but that wouldn't be fair to teams without players that have NMC's. We have to do our very best to get rid of Girardi and Staal this offseason or buy them out. FYI, in the last expansion draft, we were also able to protect 5 defensemen. This is all because Bettman wants the expansion teams to be competitive right away.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:41 am EST

Stevie....loud groan.....I'll take that as a NECY moment. (Not enough coffee yet)

WIOSA


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:36 am EST

Wiosa now the nyr quacks should too and get their ducks in a row

stevielegs


Sat Apr 30 2016 6:09 am EST

Oh wow... Ducks fired their coach.

WIOSA


Sat Apr 30 2016 12:16 am EST

Hank for a decent goalie at half the price and some top-level F or D? In a microsecond. Half a microsecond. But no way Mr. GQ goes to some relative hellhole like Dallas, Texas.

Nick


Fri Apr 29 2016 8:56 pm EST

Nystranger...Marketing goes by TV and print media...size of viewing public. NJ is the same as NYC. This is why Devils had to pay money to the NYR..for infringing on their territory. The Doctor who bought the Devils and brought them to NJ..felt the same as you...he would "steal" long suffering Ranger fans...and provide them with a new arena and parking as well. How could it fail? Ha! Because we are masochists thats how it failed.

WIOSA


Fri Apr 29 2016 8:23 pm EST

York Gorton fishboy and Sather probably are or already have decided on veenyo . Hopefully he's available to find a new job , or gets a different job with the nyr starting in May 2016. Whatever next season's roster is will then have a real chance to contend with Hank between the pipes . If they keep him Hank might ask to be traded. Especially with the expansion bs coming after next season .

stevielegs


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:40 pm EST

WIOSA no way you can tell me Newark NJ is the same as Brooklyn NY

NYStranger


Fri Apr 29 2016 6:38 pm EST

Any chance we can just leave AV unprotected and they can have our coach?

York18


Fri Apr 29 2016 6:28 pm EST

ooops, s/b NYStranger

mf


Fri Apr 29 2016 6:23 pm EST

LeoS: That GEICO commercial cracks me up.... The music is from ZZ Topps song, "LaGrange" which is about a visit to a whorehouse..... Meatheads in marketing is what they are...............Allow me......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsFwRv6zto

mf


Fri Apr 29 2016 6:20 pm EST

RHET: That's some really good STUFF" :->)

mf


Fri Apr 29 2016 4:46 pm EST

York- I am definitely not sold on Yakupov, but he isn't completely worthless either. Think he could go either way basically. Or like of course never become a franchise player, but could be like become a Danny Briere type?

Ola


Fri Apr 29 2016 4:45 pm EST

I watched an expansion team struggle after an expansion draft (SJ) where their best player was Doug Wilson leading a roster of never beens, and never will bes with a bunch of rookies that either should've been in the minors or Jr. hockey. It was deplorable. But, they had good management and had the biggest turnaround in NHL history. So it can be done. A team just needs to know what they are doing. Likewise, the Ducks were literally clueless. Unable to build a team around Kariya and Sellane. Both teams are a testimonial to why being an expansion team doesn't need all the help in the world, they need shrewd management and development. You can give a team the top pick for the next 20-years and that doesn't mean dookie. Ask Edmonton.

E


Fri Apr 29 2016 4:05 pm EST

york: What's the expansion fee? $500,000,000? That's $16,000,000 for each team. Guess you have to give up a little bit of your property to share in that bounty. Oh and I believe no longer do expansion teams automatically get the first pick overall...forget now how they do it.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 4:02 pm EST

LeoS: Are you asking because you're thinking the Rangers could do that for McD, KK and McI (in theory) thereby having all 5 d-man unavailable for the draft? I'm thinking if you did that, you'd have 8 players to protect, meaning you'll expose some forwards you don't want gone. Or perhaps give every player you want to keep a NMC. That would be obvious tho and no doubt make little Hitler (not Kevin Hayes) very very angry. Then you'd see the following season every call against go against you in every game. LOL...

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 3:30 pm EST

Is there anything to stop teams from 'renegotiating' (w/player approval) essential players contracts, giving them a 1yr NMC the summer heading into the expansion draft? Do terms even have to be in units of years or can a team give you s NMC effective 5/31/17 thru 8/31/17? I love loopholes!

LeoS


Fri Apr 29 2016 3:16 pm EST

This whole expansion thing is bullshit your team gets weaker so another team can come in? Let them take guys from the ahl and give the team the first overall pick in the draft the first year and that's it.

York18


Fri Apr 29 2016 3:03 pm EST

Bob: Yes, that's my understanding. If that's right then the good news is that the Rangers have only 3 players with NMC: The King, Staal and Girardi (the latter is kinda funny given the year he just had - lol). They have 5 forwards with NTC (well 3 actually because E Staal and Moore will be gone before expansion) but if Rhet is correct, no problem because those guys can be exposed. Not that the Rangers would - Stepan, Nash, Zuke. A bigger concern is the number of players who can be protected. 7 forwards (prior to any summer deals) would be Nash, Stepan, Brassard, Zuke, Kreider, Miller and either Hayes or Fast, leaving one of those 2 exposed plus Lindberg. On the backline it's worse because you cannot expose Girardi or Staal, so who do you keep? Obviously McD, which leaves KK and McI available. Not good and more reason why Gorton needs to explore trading G (and perhaps even Staal). Skjei should be ok because he should fall into the 2nd pro exception category.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 1:41 pm EST

They will have to change the rules of the hard cap, which means another Buttman lockout next CBA time. Too many second tier vets are going to be out jobs and will not be happy. NHLPA will love expansion because it means more available jobs, more collected union dues etc. Also will mean that good UFAs will go at even more a premium. Meaning top draft picks are even more importsnt....humm

NYStranger


Fri Apr 29 2016 1:20 pm EST

So......players with NMC's have to be protected in the expansion draft? Watch the trade market explode as teams deal guys who they would otherwise keep but now stand to lose for nothing. Also, buyouts will increase due to this. Dead cap money will become a real issue. The Rangers will not be able to be bailed out of NMC's by the expansion draft. Uh oh.

Bob


Fri Apr 29 2016 12:36 pm EST

Rhet nmc have to be protected well that makes the rangers exempt from the expansion draft save for two or three guys because everyone has a nmc in NY lol

York18


Fri Apr 29 2016 12:34 pm EST

Sometimes you have to get crazy if I were gorton ID get on the phone with Scotty bowman and offer him 6 mil a year that man knows how to win period he has won more than any other active coach in cup wins.

York18


Fri Apr 29 2016 12:10 pm EST

Wow.......poor old Boudreau is gone ! He was 208-104-40 in ANH and 409-192-80 in his career ! Now, don't get me wrong , he is not for us........we don't need another "nice guy" BUT ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 29 2016 11:59 am EST

E: LOLOL...as if! The trade proposal Rhet posted is more like it IMO.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 11:56 am EST

The NYR are in disarray? Where do they come up with this crap? "Yeah... The NYR struggled this year so we can fleece them of Lundqvist for a 2nd and Benn... Jordie that is..."

E


Fri Apr 29 2016 11:55 am EST

IMO, the only way the King does agree to be traded is because he wants a cup and doesn't see it happening in NY any time soon. Dallas has assembled a very good team who's weakest link appears to be in net. The King's prohibitive contract, coupled with his age, probably detracts from the bounty he'd fetch if a little younger and cheaper. Nonetheless, he's still a fine goalie and would certainly help plug a hole that's really existed in Dallas since Eddie Belfour left.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 11:25 am EST

Regarding expansion.... Protection of 7 forwards, 3 D and goalie or 8 skaters and goalie remain in rules. Exemption for 2nd year pro as well. NMC will have to be automatically protected (NTC do not).

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 29 2016 11:22 am EST

Igor Eronko@IgorEronko.... Alexander Radulov confirms he will play in the #NHL next season ....EVETS.... I saw an interesting trade proposal on the Hockey Future boards last night... It was basically Lundqvist and Lindberg for Lehtonen, Nickushkin and Johns.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 29 2016 10:52 am EST

Does anyone really want Yak from Edm? He's an underachiever to say the least seems to have an attitude to boot.................Trade Hank huh? Interesting if Dallas would do it, but doubt it and doubt he would go, he can control if he goes anywhere and I can't see him jumping at texas, but then again a cup chance may change that.

York18


Fri Apr 29 2016 10:49 am EST

evets: Hey, isn't that what I was posting about a few days ago? Dallas is a very logical place for the King to go, if he's looking to avoid the pain of a retool. Gorton would take one of the Finnish goalies (to help off-set the cap hit the King's contract means), that Russian winger and the Stars' first round pick.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 10:45 am EST

Outside of a huge pay day or a conflict with the coach players do not want to leave NY. Not tooting horns or anything this franchise is run at the top level. The players are paid well, they get every amenity under the sun. They get the highest daily food voucher of any team in the league. These guys do not have to spend one penny as players while on the road. The team orders and pays for their sticks if they don't have a contract with a company. Everything is first class, never fly coach, they have a private jet with personal food orders prepared when they get on the flight. When they take the train down the train is THEIR train they never travel coach. They live in the biggest city in the world where they can blend in unlike in other places. Players take the train to the game that's how easy it is to just go about your business in NY. No player wants out of NY.

York18


Fri Apr 29 2016 10:40 am EST

Was just listening to NHL radio on XM. Sports writer Jeff Marek said that after Dallas is eliminated from the playoffs the first thing Jim Nill should do is call the Rangers and ask how much it would cost to get Henrik Lundqvist. He went on to say that the Rangers are in disarray I need to retool badly and if they don't move Lundqvist, they'll be wasting the prime years of his career.

evets1980


Fri Apr 29 2016 10:02 am EST

NYStranger.....You do realize the NJ Devils are in the same big market. Just being in the market doesnt always guarantee "big market sales"

WIOSA


Fri Apr 29 2016 9:00 am EST

NYStranger - they may be big league as far as market goes but since this is the laughable NHL, they get to play in a building that has severely obstructed sight lines, an off-center scoreboard and which seems to be going for some kind of arena/parking lot/car show hybrid thing, (based on the car they've had sitting behind the glass all year).

LeoS


Fri Apr 29 2016 8:28 am EST

Viktor Stalberg would like to stay with the Rangers.... https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/viktor-stalberg-would-like-to-stay-with-the-rangers/175227838

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 29 2016 8:27 am EST

Yes the officiating is still wildly inconsistent but more even between teams. Did not seem to be favortisim towards the Pens like it is when we play them. I would like to think that is not my fan-dom talking, that I have an unbiased eye. But really, Sheary gets absolutely blasted by a cheep, late knee shot by Wilson and no call? It would have been a major and an ejection if that was Tanner Glass or some other Rangers doing that. Looks good on the league and the Pens all can rot in hell, and all their star players can have career ending concussions for all I care. BTW I Am dreading how good the Islanders might become in the near future because as I have stated, this team is now in the big leagues as far as market is concerned. If their management sees the bucks rolling in and feeds the best it is going to be painful to see as a Rangers fan. I personally don't have the hatred of the Islanders as many of you older fans...in fact my first memory of NHL hockey is them winning their 3rd then 4th consecutive Cups. Did not grow up in a household of hockey fans so I didn't even know about the Rangers until I was in my teens and was influenced (a blessing and a curse) by friends who were big fans. But regarding the move to Brooklyn, that town is now much more hip than Manhattan and a whole new brand of Isles fans are going to emerge and they have lots of money. Just saying MSG better get moving on a retool or we will be lamenting the missed opportunities during this last good run of 5 years....OK after all this talk of our rivals I too need a shower. LETS GO RANGERS!!! CLAP CLAP Clap,Clap CLAP!!!

NYStranger


Fri Apr 29 2016 8:06 am EST

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis ....... Source confirms the Calgary #Flames are expected to announce the signing of Czech scoring star Daniel Pribyl today: http://bit.ly/1SOUBH3

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 29 2016 8:00 am EST

NHLPA won't stand in the way of expansion. Still lots to be decided... http://fw.to/sUNnUde

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:42 am EST

I watched about a period of the game. He's a prick job but man is Chris Letang ever a good player when he's on his game. And how funny - early in the game Matt Cullen trips a Cap very similar to the crap he did against the Rangers. Unlike, however, the Ranger series, he got a penalty. Geesh...Buttphuck SUCKS!

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:40 am EST

TJ Oshie trade working out for the Caps right now. Hattrick last night including the OT winner.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:38 am EST

BTW, I think this went totally under the radar by Jack Eichel scored 24 goals and 56 points for the Sabres this year. Very impressive given his age and the not so strong team he's playing on. The sky is the limit for this kid. He reminds me a bit of McDavid in terms of personality - quiet, solid and just wants to play hockey. You Yanks have a very good player here....

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:34 am EST

Regarding Snow - he got the GM role with zero experience (which isn't unprecedented of course) but in the beginning (not sure how many actual years) he was totally handcuffed and manipulated by that crazy owner Charles Wang. Now that Wang is out of the picture, I believe Snow has more autonomy and has made some interesting trades, including the Boychuk and Leddy deals, plus sending under-achieving Griffin Reinhart to Edmonton last June for the 16th pick (Matt Barzal). Sather, meanwhile, trades away picks like dime store candy.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:28 am EST

And agreed on Tavares - said the other night we are watching this kid's evolution as a leader. I believe 3 consecutive game winning PO goals. It ain't gonna happen, but Rick Nash would probably fit in there really nicely. JT would help take the focus from him and he'd probably be an excellent right winger for him.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:18 am EST

TD: It's all probably moot because I don't see Gorton having the courage or foresight to move McD anyways.

RF4L


Fri Apr 29 2016 7:03 am EST

Crosby on ice for three of the Caps four goals....ha,ha! Pen fans whining the Refs want the Caps to win. On a good note, Haggy got two assists

WIOSA


Fri Apr 29 2016 6:30 am EST

Regarding Garth SNOW...I won't say this guy is a better GM, per se. But he's made some VERY savvy moves in the past three years that have taken the Isles from tire fire to contender. I used to think he was a joke, because the Isles MO was essentially to keep drafting high and let the fruit rot on the vine. But a few years ago, Snow started making some pretty ballsy decisions. First was trading NIEDERIETER for CLUTTERBUCK and a pick. I kind of dropped my jaw at that...trading a top six forward for a bottom three grinder? But lo and behold, that's looking like a pretty smart move now...then the BOYCHUCK deal...Boston fans, to this day, are ruing that deal. They hated it when it happened. They hate it more now. Snow gave up a lot for Boychuck(two seconds and a third), but he did his homework. He got the booming, hard-hitting blueliner the Isles needed to anchor their back line(on a side note, GORTON gave up essentially the same hall --two seconds and SAARELA --for STAAL and looks like he will have nothing to show for it July 1)...He also traded kitchen scraps for Nick LEDDY, a young, former-first rounder with a cup ring...and got Tom HICKEY, a former fourth overall, for absolutely nothing. Basically in two years, he turned the Isles' defense from a laughing stock into a powerhouse. And if you have any doubts how good their D is now, check out who they have between the pipes...then when the Rangers were 'wowing' fans by getting a guy like Staal, what does Snow do? He grabs this unknown kid from the Sens named Shane PRINCE for a third rounder. I thought he was a scrub...just a paper trade of sorts...but was taken back by him when the Isles put a whipping on the Rangers at the end of the season...now that kid has three goals in the playoffs...more than our beloved Rick NASH...including one to stick the first knife into Tampa...Granted, the Isles by virtue of sucking so bad for so long have amassed just a trove of first rounders...and with all the top five picks they've had over the past decade, should have a dynasty already...Snow can deal away second and third round picks without fear, because he's got three or four first rounders in the hopper...and I'll also note, he's twice now traded second and third rounders to grab the Rangers' first round pick from Tampa...And he also has the luxury of Jon TAVARES, who is simply an incredible hockey player...this kid's name should be mentioned as one of the top performers in the game today...a guy who is a class-act, bleeds the color of his organization, humble and above all, LEADS BY EXAMPLE...Just about any team in the NHL --Edmonton excluded --with JT on their roster would probably have a cup by now...but I digress...I'll give Snow this credit: He realized EARLY ON what the Isles had in JT and, unlike Sather and now Gorton, took very effective steps to get him what he needed to make a playoff run. Now I'm not presenting the Isles with the cup by any means...and frankly, I don't think there's a team in the east that will best what the west has to offer...but the Isles are excelling with a third-string goalie and down one of their top six forwards...and frankly, I think they would have beat the piss out of the Pens...I watched a lot of the Isles-Panthers series and another thing I'll give Snow's club is that they have ZERO QUIT. I mean, ZERO. That team goes down two goals going into the third and it's like they start playing better. That is emblematic of the leader Jon Tavares has become and the soldiers that have bought into his philosophy. He is twice the player Sid CROSBY could ever dream of being, but because he plays for a team that has a total inability to promote itself, he's in obscurity and not even list too often among the top 10 centers in the game...There. Now I have to take a LONG shower because I feel dirty after saying all that.

tdchi


Fri Apr 29 2016 6:07 am EST

RF4L - re: CHIARELLI, he traded the number 2 pick from the 2010 draft and it punched his ticket out of Boston. I would be amazed if he wheels around and trades the number 1 pick too. And I don't think his seat is anywhere close to hot at this point. Sure, Edmonton wants results. But everyone there knows they have a generational talent in McDAVID and that he was injured for half the year. The team resigned TALBOT to a long-term contract, watched DRAISTL go from boy to man overnight AND will have another top-five pick this year, with which they can either trade or draft a bedrock defenseman. If Chiarelli DOES move Hall or Drais or really anyone outside of YAKUPOV, he really is a moron...I think you'll see him tweak a bit, but would be absolutely floored if he made a bombastic move like trading HALL. I think even trading RNH or EBERLE would be pretty extreme, given the promise Edmonton showed last year. Keep in mind too, they have KLEFBOM and NURSE coming of age on D as well...no way they want anything to do with GIRARDI. I could see them taking STAAL or McDONAGH, but the return we'd get wouldn't be nearly as good as either player. You might...and I stress MIGHT...be able to move McD and a prospect for their top pick and someone like Yak...but how does that help us any?

tdchi


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:41 pm EST

Tootsie Roll could sponsor hattrick giveaways! Ugh.

LeoS


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:30 pm EST

Leo I guess we are lucky then that they are not the Craps! I would hate to see them carrying around, you know...

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:20 pm EST

Rhet - Maybe fans saw who the goalie was slated to be and showed up wearing multiple ones, yeah? I mean their nickname is the CAPS, after all ;)

LeoS


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:03 pm EST

OK, did Roenick say they were playing SHITTY hockey or SHINNY hockey? Damn those bozos, want the Pens to win...Like always, I want Crosby or Malkin CRIPPLED

Hospo


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:44 pm EST

LEOS... I call conspiracy. I mean, where would fans that already threw their hats get a second hat from? It's a thinker.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:40 pm EST

Oshie with the Trick. Quick, break out that old Geico commercial and get on the bandwagon...again...

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:36 pm EST

Caps win 4-3 on a pretty Oshie wraparound goal in OT.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:35 pm EST

"Here come the hats, again!", Kenny Albert after video review confirms Oshie's OT winner.

LeoS


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:35 pm EST

Ahhh too bad for Cindy's 'guins. NHL nearly had a snafu on that OT goal. Lucky there was good shot of the puck over the line because the ref had to be guessing it was a good goal from where he was standing.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 8:42 pm EST

Pens and Caps tied 2 all mid 2nd.

WIOSA


Thu Apr 28 2016 5:50 pm EST

MF... I am shocked and appalled.... It was Gene Gene the Dancing Machine.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuJHKVQ2kLA

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:52 pm EST

I said enough about HAYES the past two years..can't stand the player--However, dumping him and his talent is out of the question...More then likley the best use of him is as part of a package in a bigger trade where instead of a one on one, the opposing GM can take the risk while he's getting something else back......But If Hayes is a cocky party boy, the entire league probaly knows alreadyand the Rangers are screwed..And I said IFFFFF

Hospo


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:33 pm EST

PUCK he should have been nervous and his play didn't really raise that much of an issue it was his attitude that is the problem. He was called out by his coach and his response was I think I'm playing great!??!?!? I mean really, that's not the right answer because he wasn't playing great. As for him getting worse, I don't think he will get worse his talent will allow him to always be a 30 point guy, but he should be a 50-60 point guy and that's the problem. The reason I want to move him now is because the promise of a 60 point guy is still there, so the return should still get this team a second line winger, wait too long and the 30 point player will be what he is with promise of nothing more. The worst part is the thing holding Hayes back is Hayes, he's his own worst enemy and if he was worried about being traded he sure doesn't play like it.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:12 pm EST

keywords ' no brainier", that might be his problem...some rumors about him being a party boy, and a loose cannon.....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:08 pm EST

The risk with Hayes, ass it almost always is with young players, is are you giving up too soon. He was definitely immature and used to a certain degree of comfort, and he was WAY too comfortable . I know from someone who knows him he was nervous at the deadline, so it's not like he was oblivious as to his performance this season. So if he decides to work his ass off this summer and get in shape he could have a much better year and make us look bad in a trade. that said, if kept , he may cop the same attitude . These kids like JT, Kreider and Kevin are all about the age where you are fully mature- certainly the other 2 seem to be ahead of Hayes at this juncture - however Kreider will never have Hayes' hands or vision and Kevin will never even approach his skating speed. JT seems to be the keeper at this point, making less defensive mistakes than a year ago. JT is also the most consistent of the 3 RFA. I just am wary of dealing the wrong one and getting fleeced- and Hayes could make us look bad if he ever gets that big body in shape and starts using it in another jersey. Agree with anyone who thinks he sucked most of the year- and with those who think his play could even diminish. His age is the problem, if he was 30 it would be a no brainier to deal him, as he would be fully developed commodity. Tough call - should be a crazy off season.

puckyou


Thu Apr 28 2016 3:24 pm EST

Bob - Ouch! but spot on, I've been called worse on the ice!Ok, off the ice also....

Hospo


Thu Apr 28 2016 3:16 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4DTaMA_ss Messier we need you back to wake this fuckin organization up!!!!!!!!!!!!

vcp1994


Thu Apr 28 2016 3:15 pm EST

mf: Your trade proposal makes us a better team, but I do not think Nash and Girardi would do it and I would not go beyond that. Stamkos is an excellent player but I would be very surprised if he considers NY as a destination.

gene_carr


Thu Apr 28 2016 3:01 pm EST

And the real point of my earlier comment was that if the islanders start being run like a large market team, which IMO they now are, they are going to be a huge thorn in the sides of us Rangers Fans and to MSG ownership.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 2:51 pm EST

Damn phone...in goal.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 2:50 pm EST

York maybe I exaggerate but seriously anybody would have a tough time pulling that franchise out of the quagmire they have been in. Just think of the Milbury years. And Edmonton is proof that high picks alone get you nowhere as a team. He arguably has done better with less than edmonton over the same period. Would I trade teams ny for ny? No, but still concidering I thought he would totally crash and burn as GM he has not been that bad. And they are in a good position going forward. His biggest failing has to be in goz

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 2:21 pm EST

Leo I don't think that kind of coach exists in todays NHL where every little thing is scrutinized under a microscope. Really thought Torts was going to be that kind of coach and after the first sign of adversity he panicked and became who we saw. The Torts Turtle.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 2:15 pm EST

HOSPO--Can you still skate?

Bob


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:56 pm EST

York/RF4L - last night I was thinking the same thing about Kreider playing for a coach who let him loose and accepted any penalties that ensued. He's only had Torts/AV.

LeoS


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:53 pm EST

Wait, how is mf still posting? I woulda thought saying you're willing to root for the Islanders is cause for automatic banishment. I 'll have to review the TOS. Ha! :)

LeoS


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:40 pm EST

HOSPO I don't think they need that more than they need a superstar game changing player like Stamkos that's just nuts and even if they had that guy AV would turn him into a lady byng winner

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:30 pm EST

The one player in the NHL I wish the Rangers could get their hands on is Brad Marchand...Just a fantasy, I know, Bruins would be nust to deal him..but I'd try......And if I can't get that tealented asshole, I look for another.....More then a star like Stamkos, the Rangers need a nasty boy more then any team in the league....They need a dick, They need a scumbag,,, they need a player other teams hate....Yeah, the guy on CHicago is good too and I hope there are others..

Hospo


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:25 pm EST

TDCHI - Like is often the case with you and I, we don't disagree on the player, just the timing of when to count obn said player.! I'm no expert on BUCH but I have seen a few games...Very slick and talented and I have high hopes...But he also likley still has alot to learn about the total game and at least a half a yera in Hartford will do him good..As for JENSEN, another boring Swede who is smart and responsible but won't contribute much outside the AHL.....Hope I'm wrong.

Hospo


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:15 pm EST

Per @EliasSports: @PredsNHL's Peter Laviolette is first head coach in NHL history to win five consecutive Game 7s.

stevielegs


Thu Apr 28 2016 1:10 pm EST

NYSTRANGER how has Snow been better? He's been GM for 10 years, he's missed the playoffs 6 out of those 10 years that alone is failure spending more time out of the playoffs does not make you a better team last I checked which means Snow has not GMd very well. In those ten years Snow has had 6 top ten picks with 5 of them being in the top 5 and one being first overall the guy has had ample chance to put together a damn good team when was the last time the Rangers had a chance at a top 5 pick let alone a first overall in the last ten years? Snow has had a decade to put together a winner and has had tons of chances at drafting blue chip players and he still hasn't done a better job than Sather, give the Rangers two of those top 5 picks and one being Tavarese and you will see a sick team and a cup winner IMO.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 12:55 pm EST

The islanders org. still have that small market hayseed stink to them but they will soon realize that they are now in fact a large market team. And they are perfectly set up to get real good in the near future if run correctly. Sad to say Snow has been a better Gm than Sather for the most part. MSG better get their shite together and fast or they WILL be watching Brooklyn championships while the Garden lays dark in the spring. is it now 76 years and only one Cup?

NYStranger


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:59 am EST

I think Hayes can get you a second line winger right about now, hold on any longer and you'll be lucky to get a third or fourth liner for him.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:59 am EST

JNYR I would agree this could be a sophomore jinx, and even found myself thinking that at first until I looked back at him last year. I broke things down because I remembered a statement made about him from an away broadcast during the end of the season, forgot who. Essentially Hayes got hot for about 4 weeks where he racked up extra points. This isn't some mind numbing number but an extra almost 10 points if you remove that hot streak Hayes' production would be the same and actually so would his game. The only difference would be up until the last month of the season Hayes would back check hard come that last month and the playoffs the Hayes we saw all year is the same Hayes from last year. There is no magic here, or Jinx for that matter this is how he plays his game and why he was a late first round pick as opposed to a top 5 pick. There is talent there but it isn't top level talent, there is hopes and glimmers of top end talent, the kid has size, reach, can dangle, and has pretty good vision, but his hockey IQ is questionable, his work ethic is sub par, and he is aloof to put it kindly. He has an attitude on top of all that. Like I said his worth is still high because the promise of more is still there and his size is enticing hang on for too much longer and you have nothing coming back IMO other than a mid to late round pick. He's a natural winger who can't play wing in the NHL, he's a converted center who cant win faceoffs and has ego problems, sooner than later his stock will be worthless.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:49 am EST

York: I agree with you on your take on Kevin Hayes and at times this year wish I could strangle him myself, but I would not move him yet.....for a few reasons...1) Plenty of athletes, not just hockey have looked ok in their rookie seasons only to have a sophomore slump or jinx as you could put it, a lot of these guys figure it out and have decent careers. 2) I think his trade value is minimal. If I was a GM and talked to the rangers about Hayes, I would say...you mean the guy that that got benched in the playoffs. .......3) With a farm system as barren as ours (Thanks Glen) you just can't afford to give up on a young prospect with upside. Do I think your right....probably, but I still wouldn't move Hayes now on the slim chance he turns it around

jnyr


Thu Apr 28 2016 11:06 am EST

Y18, agreed, his salary is insane and that's why they don't get a sniff at McDonagh... I'm giving them an out with just 2 yes remaining on Nash... Let them trade for Shattenkirk to recoup the the point production from the back

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:58 am EST

VIC Is Hayes the worst part of this team? Hardly is a symptom of the problem? Yes, his attitude sucks, which speaks volumes because attitude reflects leadership and there seems to be a lack of that on this team and no one to grab this kid by the scruff of his neck and put him in line.I think his carefree I'm playing great attitude is a huge problem and you can see unlike year one when MSL was here and this kid was working hard at being a center and back checking that all vanished this year, again a leadership problem? Thing is if this kid has to be baby sat 24/7 then he's not worth the trouble this isn't Crosby we are talking about here. He holds the puck too long, turns the puck over in the neutral zone way too often and then stands there like he doesn't know what happened. You ask who would want him? I have no idea, and why would anyone want to give up anything for him the mystique is still there and the promise of more is there which still gives him worth, wait too long and that mystique disappears as does his value. You seem to be only willing to part with Hayes if a top talent player comes back, the thing is Hayes is not a top talent player how is he going to bring back something that he isn't himself. That's like saying Girardi for Keith not happening. The simple fact that you even mentioned Matthews is ridiculous, that guy is a full on stud at both ends of the ice Hayes isn't half the player that kid is right now. Why not just say you can't trade him unless it's for Mcdavid too? The problem is you would rather hold on to him till he's worth nothing and I don't see a reason to do that when you can get something for him now. The kids attitude sucks and that's something you aren't going to change and talent is the hope of something more but when the player is invested in the promise of said talent then it's just a waste. Hayes thinks he's playing great he and Nash must be of the same family both have zero intensity and always think they're playing great. Where can you trade him, come to think of it maybe Boston wants him to play with his brother. I think you get rid of him 1) because his attitude sucks 2) if AV is staying he showed zero respect for AV all season and showed it in the media 3) Before teams realize he is what he is there is a chance you can still get something decent for him, a second line winger maybe? I don't know, what I do know is soon he will be worth a fourth or fifth round pick......................MF want no part of Subban at all then again trade them Girardi and maybe LOL. The Habs would maybe want McD just to start that deal and a first that contract is insane rather give that money to Stamkos..................

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:58 am EST

Trade: I don't believe in puck luck. I believe in doing all the things right that make that happen. Just as much as you do your best to keep the goalie from seeing the puck cleanly. Do that and it's amazing how lucky you become.

E


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:56 am EST

Agent47: since caoch AVishysoisse has turned the team into a bunch of Eunuchs anyway, Trannys may use the unisex facilities ......

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:38 am EST

mf: Do we need to start discussing the MSG bathroom situation?

Ranger47


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:33 am EST

mean gene the dancing machine: a certain exiled to Mars Wallster brought up PK to me in an email.. Interesting to ponder no doubt... Would they take Girardi & Nash ($13.3 mill combined) for say PK & Max Patch? ..... I am all for having players of color on the NY Rangers and considering our market, I think it would be great for the sport... Its been quite some time since Snoop Dog Ansen Carter laced them up.... KLEIN..PK..MCILATH..MCD..STAAL..SKJEI.... phuck Yandle & Shattenkirk for that matter... Could be a path of least resistance....

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 10:21 am EST

Is Hitler a tranny?

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 9:43 am EST

YORK: I think you are helping my argument, not hurting it. First, you have such a visceral, negative reaction to HITLER that you overstate how much of a problem he is with respect to the rest of the issues with the team. That is why I started calling him HITLER in the first place. Folks here have waaaay over-inflated him as a critical problem on this team. They have made up their mind that he is THE problem and he needs to be moved. And yes, I lump you in that group. However, if he is such a big problem who would want him and why would anyone give up anything of value for him? Think about it. If you guys have this opinion of him that there is no way you would ever want him on your team why would anyone else want him? You think you can get back a roster player for him. Who? If by roster player you mean a 3rd or 4th line mucker who tries real hard count me out. The Rangers have more then enough bottom 6 players. They need talent. Top tier talent. Now, I'm already on record as saying if the Rangers can turn HITLER into DRAISAITL, MATTHEWS, DOMI, or someone of that ilk then where do I sign! I don't love HITLER (wow, I never thought I would ever have to utter that line) but I want his skill to be harnessed into a difference maker for the Rangers. And I'm willing to hold onto him in an attempt to try to get that out of him at the risk of losing him for nothing or a minimal return down the road because I don't see any other options out there. But again, if GORTON can reel in a big fish in exchange for HITLER I'm all in (STEVIE: did you see what I did there?).

Vic


Thu Apr 28 2016 9:04 am EST

RF you said that yesterday and hours later you were wrong, I guess eventually you'll be right about something LMAO

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 8:57 am EST

york: My source is ME. Watch and learn grasshopper...

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 8:42 am EST

gene_carr...Subban?...doesn't he still have 6 years @ $9 million per year left on his contract? Do we want to absorb anything like that at this point...especially if Stamkos is coming to Fantasy Island?

RF73


Thu Apr 28 2016 8:36 am EST

VIC that's where we disagree and funny because you love Hayes, I think right now he brings you back a roster player, hold on to him any longer and he brings back a fourth rounder. Your car analogy is kind of terrible because Hayes is not the AC he's actually your transmission or at least he supposed to be with that skill but he's not, time to get the tranny fixed................RF you're the same guy who claimed that there would be changes there this year and there weren't and mentioned all those guys going, and didn't you say a certain preds player was available only to have him signing a new deal a few hours later? Maybe its time to get a new source.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 8:30 am EST

york: Re Hall - we'll see soon enough i suspect....

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 8:03 am EST

YORK: I freely admit that HITLER may be nothing more then what we have seen and what you have described. He may end up being a total bust. But what I'm saying is that the Rangers aren't going to get more then a 4th rounder for him if they try to trade him now. And in weighing what the Rangers are likely to get in the 4th round I'd rather take my chances and see what HITLER can be developed into. They might be able to move him for someone else's problem (like ETEM) but again unless someone is just stupid and gives the Rangers way more in return I'd rather hold onto HITLER. At least for now. It is worth the risk IMHO.

Vic


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:58 am EST

RF: I appreciate skill. It is extremely important me. It is a huge factor in why I admire players or not. No surprise that GRETZKY is my favorite athlete of all time. But I also admire the skill in opponents and why I don't hate guys like CROSBY, AO, etc. So, HITLER has the skill that keeps me interested. And I see his situation here a little like this.....The Rangers as a whole are a lot like a car that has issues. The engine doesn't have enough power with some cylinders that aren't firing (top two lines), the alignment is out of whack (AV), there is an oil leak (the D) and the car is being driven by a drunk driver (GORTON/SATHER). To me the HITLER issue is like the air conditioning not working. Its a problem. It needs to be fixed. But in the grand scheme of things it isn't anywhere near as big an issue as the other things wrong with this car (team). But all most people complain about here is that the AC doesn't work. The complaints are out of whack with the problem, especially considering the other issues we have.

Vic


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:57 am EST

VIC so you consider trading Hayes dumping him for whatever because of the season he had. The thing is something you just don't want to seem to admit despite it being pointed out is Hayes outside of about a 4-6 week stretch last year where he got hot played exactly the same way and produced at the same pace. Maybe he didn't have a bad year, but rather he didn't get that lucky hot streak to make him look as appealing as he did last year. He didn't do a whole lot early in the season granted he was adjusting, he didn't do anything the last couple weeks and in the playoffs. Lindberg who had less games played and ice time actually produced on par with Hayes. You think holding on to Hayes is a good idea to raise his value, the problem with that thinking is this is his value and before everyone else figures that out trade the kid and rob someone of a damn good prospect who can step right in and replace him. Once the cat is out of the bag you aren't going to get much more than a third liner, or a project for him at best. You would hire someone to work with him in the offseason LMAO you can't do that and neither can the Rangers that's why it's the offseason. You aren't getting this huge turnaround from this kid he will come to camp the same player he was because this is who he is..............RF I think you're reaching Chiarelli said he's not moving hall in the fall. Yak may be there but do the Rangers really want him? He's a project and a head case, not something I'd be eager to add under AV, RNH is available not sure he has the goods to be a number one center which means you're exchanging for the same problem this team currently has no true number one center. Draistal is going nowhere as well. I'd be eager to see a coach who lets the shackles off of Kreider and tells him go run people over. He has the makings of a Wendal Clark in him if he harnesses it and a coach lets it go. Like I said I would show him and miller film of Clark and say this is how you need to play all the time.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:56 am EST

I am not suggesting this move but of all the speculation on the board no one has mentioned Subban. Montreal wants him gone and they need a center, We have 1a and 1b to start the ball rolling. Brass is a likely candidate but it will need more. Would he be a foundation piece to "retool". On the free agent market Dale Weiss would be a consideration to retool the fourth line.

gene_carr


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:56 am EST

Pavel Buchnevich and Alain Vigneault. Can't wait to see that pair together. I would expect to see a pouting Russian. They had better bring in another player that speaks Russian to help the kid acclimate. Could be worse though....it could have been Buchnevich and Torts!

Bob


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:52 am EST

Vic he does look like Hitler...and Charlie Chaplin , and Stan Laurel....and sometimes like Claude Rains.....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:46 am EST

Hayes biggest problem to me is that he's built like a power forward and he shies away from anything physical.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:36 am EST

I'm curious about how Hayes would fare under a different more demanding coach. I feel the same way about Kreider but for different reasons - he's a beast on the ice when he wants to be; how would he perform under a coach who embraces his physical sometimes reckless style vs a coach who tries to reign in such behaviour? How would he play under a coach like Ken Hitchcock or Mike Babcock? He'd be scary if he could play with less AV leash.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:33 am EST

Vic: Your (over)sensitivity about Hayes is pretty amusing! LOL. I think most agree with you BTW in that the kid's got talent and size but the desire/commitment factor is lacking. How to rectify that is the conundrum facing AV and company. The bigger question: Can it be rectified? Professional sports is littered with the memories of supremely talented athletes who's mental agility didn't come close so if what we see is what we get, it certainly won't be u unprecedented.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:31 am EST

If anyone wants to see those stats here they are: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201516&sit=5v5&type=individual&teamid=20&pos=skaters&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Vic


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:29 am EST

STEVIE: The most interesting thing in that NerdHockey article appears toward the middle. They show a chart of a few players and their 5v5 Points per 60 minutes production. And low and behold HITLER was 4th on the Rangers with 1.9 points per 60 minutes. How can that be???!??? After all, he sucks, right? He must be traded immediately because he didn't produce, right? The reality is that when you look at the 5v5 stats STEPAN was the highest rated Ranger. There was some separation between him and the group of Rangers who came in 2nd through 5th. MILLER, MZA, HITLER and LINDBERG were essential equal in points per 60 minutes at 5v5. Then there was another drop off before you got to NASH and KREIDER. And another drop off before you got to BRASSARD. HITLER didn't have the year that most of us hoped and expected (there is that word again) he would. He has major issues in his game that need to be excised. But dumping him now for whatever you can get would be a mistake IMHO. You aren't going to get much of anything coming off his less then stellar sophomore season. It would be a better bet to hold onto him and see if he can develop into more of an impact player given his skill set. But I would hire MESSIER (or someone like that) to work with him every day in the off season. He needs some tough love. He needs to up his level of conditioning and up his level of effort on every shift. He needs to simplify his game and pick his spots to use his skills most effectively. It can be done. Whether or not he can do it is another story.

Vic


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:27 am EST

That's the other drawback with those 3: They're all making $6,000,000 - another huge mistake by the previous regime.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:21 am EST

Of the 3, Eberle has the shortest remaining time on his contract, I believe 3 yes... I think RNH has 5yrs, Hall may have 5 too... Heck, Hall & Yak would be a great consolation prize....

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:15 am EST

IMO we need to see how the lottery pans out and then formulate our trade schemes... If we do trade with the oilers, Yakupov may make sense to help Much get acclimated... He's also cap friendly at $2.5mill

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:11 am EST

BTW, of the big 3 Hall is clearly the best and I'm not guaranteeing he'll be traded. I am saying I'm convinced he (and the other 2) are all available. Hall would arguably be the most impressive chip available anywhere in the league so they'll be (there is) plenty of suitors. Chiarelli is in the driver's seat here, but there's a ton of pressure to get it right. Trading those 3 away and having the team flounder again would be disastrous for him.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:09 am EST

McDavid was in the top 10 in the league in scoring when he went down with that broken collar bone. He then picked up where he left off when he came back. IMO, they've seen enough of him to know he's the real deal and the consummate block from which to build their team (to the point where they're already considering giving him the C). The big 3 are all on the block - you'll see.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:06 am EST

TD: I actually don't think Draistal will be moved - he's probably considered part of the new wave alongside McDavid. Hall is available - of that I'm convinced. Regarding Ference, he was signed to play on the top pairing, which was stupid. And Chiarelli didn't sign him - McT did.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:05 am EST

TD: Buch a top 6er. That's my take on him too but you know how little traction AV generally gives young players. Buch will have to wow AV to make the starting 6 and the first sign of mistakes he'll be in the pressbox. Now that would be interesting to watch because I suspect he'll be the NHL or KHL and how grumpy will he get if AV McI's him next year? Probably a lot.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:02 am EST

RF4L - We'll see, but I don't suspect Edmonton will trade any of the players we'd want from the franchise. And remember, they only got a taste of McDAVID. You'd need to be a fool GM to move the likes of HALL or DRAISATL...And as far as that team taking on GIRARDI, don't bet on it. They made that mistake with Andrew FERENCE.

tdchi


Thu Apr 28 2016 7:02 am EST

york: I think they'll exploit the Penguin defense. But I suspect that'll happen against the Caps first. And I think the Bolts will come back to win the series anyways.

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 6:55 am EST

RF why can they handle the pens? I don't see it matter of fact I think the pens may end up being the team that just found their game and I think the isles lose to whoever comes out of that series. The isles will take penalties and oitt will kill them with that pp

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 6:53 am EST

Hospo - re: BUCHNEVICH; He's a top-six player...he's someone you want with your top guys. What he'd bring to the Rangers would be utterly wasted with fourth line minutes and mostly wasted on third(though I think SKA had him on a bottom line)...I've got nothing that says he'll only come over to play in the NHL, but I suspect that's the case. Otherwise, he'd be here by now...As always, I'll reserve judgement on his readiness for when he crosses the pond and I get to see him up close...but from what I understand, the kid is ready for the bigtime...to put this in perspective, he's amassed a goal total just below what TARASENKO did his last year in the league and point totals that were better than KUZNETZOV...His only question mark for me is a tendency to float...but that must have improved if SKA had him playing on their checking line...getting beyond that, however...is that the five I listed with Buch scored 118 goals. Rangers were seventh in the league in scoring and just four goals behind the number four spot...I don't think the problem was scoring per se...it was scoring when they needed it...as for JENSEN, you keep calling him an AHLer, but the guy already has 24 NHL games under his belt. Don't think it's a stretch at all to see him playing for the Rangers next year...And TBH, I'd be a fool not to think the Rangers won't both sign a free agent and make a deal that brings back an NHLer...I just wouldn't have a problem with letting the guys I listed start the season...team needs to get back to the basics and get rid of these "star" players who suck up huge contracts and do as close to nothing for them as possible.

tdchi


Thu Apr 28 2016 6:45 am EST

IMO, if Greiss continues to play well and the Islanders do manage to beat the Bolts, they can handle the Pens. The Capitals, however, not so much. That said, it's premature to think too far ahead. Tampa had almost a week off - they were no doubt quite rusty. The next game will probably tell a different story....

RF4L


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:52 am EST

Congrats to Nashville.. Glad to see some different names and faces advance.....

mf


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:44 am EST

HIggy from your mouth to Gortons ears I hope they fired Arneil bring in MSL and sign Stamkos and as much as I like Stepan I'll drive him myself where he gets traded to.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 4:43 am EST

If the Isles win the cup then AV should certainly be fired without a doubt to not only lose but to have the Isles win it disgraceful. Truth is we all know the Isles are getting better. They have had plenty of top picks to do it but I seriously don't see them getting by either Pitt or Wash.

York18


Thu Apr 28 2016 12:00 am EST

Brutal. Another epic Ducks choke. Saves me a lot of $ on playoff tickets though.

Bob


Wed Apr 27 2016 11:47 pm EST

Glad to see the Ducks waddle out of the playoffs. The last minute of that game was intense as the Ducks had so a bunch of chances to tie it up. Sometimes u got the puck luck ......I wouldn't mind if the Preds win the Cup.....Keep it in the South!

TradeStar28


Wed Apr 27 2016 10:52 pm EST

I would love Stamkos to play here.......would need to trade Stepan though

TradeStar28


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:48 pm EST

I bet Arniel is replaced with Marty St. Louis as Stamkos signs with NYR.

Higgy21


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:28 pm EST

Pretty funny....put on the Nashville/Duck game and it's a snoozefest. Check! Check! Check! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:08 pm EST

Tavares with the game winner. Suspect the Bolts had too much time off and were showing and will come back to win the series, but JT's evolution into being a genuine go to guy leader continues. *SIGH*

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:38 pm EST

King fish coach got hit in face with the puck ,... Still alive

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:36 pm EST

4-3 2.32 left in 3rd fishtanks leading

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:25 pm EST

http://nerdhockey.com/by-the-numbers/2016/4/24/why-alain-vigneault-failed-the-rangers

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:05 pm EST

which hopefully will lead us back to SHATTENKIRK.......... (Capt. Kirk Stevie?)

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:38 pm EST

Drew you and I both feared the Isles winning the cup and were reassured thst NFW would they win, that they'd be lucky to make the playoffs with their goalies. Well....Greisse, or whatever his name is looks pretty good to me. Worse is the knowledge that theyre a NYC team now..Brooklyn is an Island btw...and if they did win, theyll be raising that cup down the'canyon of hero's'. Its a recurring nightmare.

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:09 pm EST

RF I guess you just got fired and class is over because Ellis just resigned which means you sir are wrong LOL

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:52 pm EST

I feared an islander cup this year - here we go.

DREW


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:49 pm EST

Yikes....Islanders up 3 - 1. Tampa looks slow and Bishop sitting back in his net. Kinda like the Rangers!!!

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:38 pm EST

Now this is unusual: The east 2nd round has started before the west 1st round is done....

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:30 pm EST

Nashville desperately needs offense - Johansen is their number 1 but they still have no number 2. Stepan would fit in there really nicely. Plus the Rangers have a history of dealing with Poile. Furthermore, the Preds easily can absorb Stepan's salary. If they go out tonight, it'll be primarily because they continue to struggle to score. With Rinne and Weber getting older, the window is slowly closing there and there's enormous pressure on Poile to architect a deep PO run.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:59 pm EST

RF: excuse me, I did not read an earlier post of yours which clearly spelled out your approach in dealing with Nashville...

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:54 pm EST

RF, just 4 U: RYAN ELLIS: Signed for 3 more seasons @ $2.5mill per.... And why is Nashville going to trade this guy??? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7022

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:51 pm EST

York: Ditto !

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:46 pm EST

And yes, Ellis is available because I say so. You need to pay attention York - I have things to teach you!

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:45 pm EST

York: I did indeed and there were some moves made - a new coach was hired, half the defense was turned over, Talbot was added and they drafted McDavid. Management thought it was enough. They were wrong. They learned the hard way. All of Eberle, Hall and RNH are on the table and I predict at least 2 will be gone this summer, perhaps as soon as the June draft (and perhaps all 3). They are already talking about giving the c to McDavid (silly because it's too early IMO, but that's another story) - it's time to redo the leadership core there in order to help that team become McDavid's.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:20 pm EST

RF You said the same thing last year with Edm and they didn't sell the ship. Matter of fact they what many believed here robbed the Rangers in the talbot trade.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:17 pm EST

TD I think those things will bring back a good team but not next year maybe in three years......................RF Come on Girardi is not worth Hall/Draistal RNH any GM would be a real tool if he took the chance that G is back to his old self and even if he is he's still not worth one of any of those players. How is McD not worth one but G is? I also think those two would get you the top overall pick but nothing more and even then I don't know......BOB I never said he wouldn't want McD I said McD is not worth that dream deal you are posting......Hospo he's an all star player because every team has to be represented, he's not an all star player any other time there are tons of Dmen ahead of him Shea, Keith, Doughtry, Souban, Kharlsson, hell Letang, Burns, Hedman I can go on and on he's not an all star Dman...........RF and Ellis is available because you say so? I don't trade McD unless you can rob someone, he's a top pair shut down Dman and that's a good thing and every team needs that but he's not a PP specialist, and offensive dynamo he's a solid Dman who has some offensive upside he's not bringing you back the first pick over all and if he's not bringing that back then you keep him.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:16 pm EST

Hospo: I can respect that. I guess it's how motivated Gorton is to actually make some changes. Offering up under achieving players with albatross contracts simply ain't gonna get much done in that regard.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:13 pm EST

Hospo: I concur that plenty on here are prematurely giving Buch a spot in the top 6. I'm not saying it cannot happen but it is a stretch for sure. My prediction: He'll do well but his play without the puck will piss of AV and they'll try to send him to Hartford, which he'll balk at and go home to Russia. Hell, he may even negotiate a clause in his contract that stipulates the NHL or KHL and nothing else. All that said, I'm eager to see how he fares in camp (assuming of course, McI is still a Ranger - if he's not and AV is, I'm not watching).

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:12 pm EST

TDCHI - RNH, Eberle and YAJUPOV ar defeinetly the players EDM WANTS to trade but, if they really wanted to ever get any better, DRAISDALL or, most likley, HALL, is the player they will have to trade to get the defense they need if they ever want to break this cycle of crap they ar in...JMWO of course....

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:09 pm EST

TD: Big changes are afoot in Edmonton. What you're saying is what everyone has been saying for like 3 years (no way do they trade the core/anything of significance). They were HORRID this year, despite a new regime. Why? Because the core is tainted and needs to be jettisoned. It's coming. You'll see.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:08 pm EST

RF4L - I think he's more important to the team as a player compared to a chip...ANd also think some evaluations of his trade value a bit low..

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:07 pm EST

TDCHI - No prob with the D but, Wow..I would be nauseous with that forward line up.....BUCH likely won;t even be ready for the NHL...And that bottom two lines scores about 30 goals TOTAL all year...And we have no scoring once again.....Moore is finished---bye bye..LIndberger needs to win a job again...Jensen right now is nothing but an AHLER who needs to win a job..FAST is fine as a 5-10 goal scoring 3rd /4th liner......HRVIK, at best is, FAST lite but more likely a zero....all in all, maybe a team that plays harder, but could easily be a non-PO team...I'd rather get players (young) if I can for Nash, Hayes, Step or Brass.and whoever and I think that will be the way management goes..

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:07 pm EST

You guys are nuts with this Edmonton business. The guys I could see them moving are YAKUPOV(bust), maybe RNH or possibly EBERLE. Why on earth would they move HALL or DRAISATL? Or what will probably be a top-5 pick? Wouldn't make any sense...ESPECIALLY with Chiarelli. Don't forget he basically punched his ticket out of Boston by trading Tyler SEGUIN. Does anyone believe he's going to do the same thing in Edmonton? And while you'll find no bigger McDONAGH fan than I, the Edmonton beat writer is 100 percent correct: He's no generational talent. And while I think he'd drastically improve the Oilers, I just can't see him being the final piece they need to be competitive, since the deal many are suggesting would pull away Edmonton's number one pick AND a guy like Hall.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:06 pm EST

Hospo: Well, G did play well last year - the team overall sucked this year. Besides, he becomes more attractive if/when the Rangers offer to eat some his salary.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:04 pm EST

Hospo: I don't think McD is getting disparaged in here. It's kinda the opposite - given his skillset (legit top pairing d-man) age and salary, he's quite clearly (IMO) Gorton's biggest trading chip. Lots on here are calling for the jettisoning of the likes of Nash and Girardi but given their contracts and rather questionable play, they aren't gonna fetch a whole lot. McD would, especially if paired with another lesser talent. A retool would be hurried along significantly if he's available and the bartering is handled correctly.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:02 pm EST

RF4L - I don't think Girardi's self assessment is gonna carry much weight...other GMs will see the tapes and, more importantly, where the League is going, the advanced statisitcs.....Girardi was a mess...Even if it was health realted, he's a big risk to trade for and wou;ld have to involve future picks based on perfromance and games played

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:01 pm EST

You land Duchene and then you move Stepan to the Preds for Ryan Ellis and a prospect/2nd rounder. Ellis is going under the radar in Nashville because of who's ahead of him there, Nashville's continual relative obscurity and the fact that he's not big. He is talented and would instantly become the Rangers top offensive d-man and help fill the hole that a soon to be handsomely paid Yandle will create. At $2,500,000 for the next 3 years, he'd turn into a fabulous bargain for the Rangers just like KK has.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:59 pm EST

LeoS - "KREIDER MISSES WIDE!!! KREIDER SHOOTS WIDE!!! KREIDER MISSES THE NET!!" Ughhh...it's like on a repeat track in my head. I tell you, all summer that kid should skate pucks from the goal line to the opposing hash marks and crank off clappers at an empty net.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:59 pm EST

BOB - Totally with you on MCD and Girardi..And while I don';t think MCD is untouchable, I think he's getting the bum's rush around here...No, not a Norris Winner but All-Star calibre when healthy..Try to deal Girardi and Staal first....and just about any forward not named Miller and Kreider.....

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:57 pm EST

Bob: If Girardi is correct in his self assessment yesterday and what level of play he feels he'll be at next year, it arguably means Edmonton in a single trade, has fetched themselves a legitimate top pairing duo. That cannot be understated in terms of significance. How often does such a deal present itself, if ever? Rare for sure. Enticing for sure. Hell, that deal could be offered to Colorado for Matt Duchene and their top prospect, Mikko Rantanen (a very highly rated right winger who scored 24 goals and 60 points in 58 AHL games as a 19 year old rookie).

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:54 pm EST

evets - Wholeheartedly agree, re: Drake CAGGIULA...only problem is I haven't seen or heard a single report about him wanting to sign in New York and the only connection the Rangers have to the Sioux is Adam TAMBELLINI, a kid who skated half a season with Caggiula before bailing to juniors. That doesn't mean he won't sign here...but the rumors are that he wants to join one of his linemates, either BOESER in Vancouver or SCHMALTZ in Chicago. Also heard a rumor about him wanting to join HAKSTOL in Philly. And the Flyers are already listing him as a prospect for some reason....the Rangers were NOT on a list of six teams that was published a few weeks back and I suspect part of the reason is that they would want him to start in Hartford. Even if there is a retool, I think the only top-six spot that will be open already has BUCHNEVICH tentatively penciled in...As for STECHER, he's already signed by Vancouver.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:52 pm EST

BTW, if the Oilers end up winning the draft lottery, I concur those 2 won't get that return done. It might fetch the right to draft Matthews and Yakapov, or something like that. The Yotes will pursue the first overall pick hard - the vision of Auston Matthews in a Coyote uniform surely make ownership there drool with anticipation. They'd probably out-bid almost anyone for that right. Maybe, however, the Rangers could then flip that pick to Phoenix for Ryan Strome and Phoenix's first. Just musing here!

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:51 pm EST

And Girardi would be much better in a different system. A non-man to man system that does not depend so much on the defenseman's skating ability. Like the system Torts ran when in NY.

Bob


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:50 pm EST

Look, I don't want the Rangers to trade McDonagh. I like him and his cap-friendly hit right where he is. His cap hit is good for a #3 d-man. Is he Shea Weber, Aaron Ekblad or Duncan Keith? Nope. But unless someone thinks that Skjei is as good as he is and can be his replacement, I want to keep him around. Chiarelli has not done anything in Edmonton but luck into Connor McDavid. He needs to move out some of the Oilers core. Would he trade for McD? I am betting he would.

Bob


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:48 pm EST

York/Bob: Enhance the deal. I gotta think, given their endless problems with their blueline, an offer of McD and Girardi with the Rangers eating $2,000,000 of salary would be very enticing to Edmonton. That might bring their top pick and someone like Draistal/Hall/etc. If Girardi is indeed no longer a top 2 d-man, he's probably capable, if healthy, of top 4 minutes and if not, surely a bottom pairing d-man and at $3,500,000 reasonable given his veteran leadership qualities, something sorely lacking in Edmonton forwards AND defensemen.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:44 pm EST

York - haha, yeah I guess so...think I made my idea of a retool sound a little rosier simply because the three games this team played made me hate the whole lot of them...and my ongoing dislike of NASH has reached epic proportions...you're right in the sense that even if you trade YANDLE, NASH, and maybe HAYES and you don't resign Eric STAAL, there's simply ZERO way that the talent you get back is going to replace the talent you lose. Dead on the money there. But here's another way of looking at it: Losing some of those guys could ultimately end up being addition by subtraction. Even losing those guys and getting, say a late first and a prospect for Nash, a second and a third for Hayes and a third for Yandle's negotiating rights, I think you end up ahead of the game both in the short and long run. You get about $10 million in cap space to play with. You retool the system. But most of all, you get rid of a whole lot of dead weight...players that really didn't display any degree of urgency or accountability in their play. I wouldn't have much of an issue going into next year with Miller-Kreider-Stepan, Zucc-Brass-Buchnevich, Fast-Lindberg-Jensen, Hrivik-Moore-Stalberg, McD-Klein, Skjei-Girardi, Staal-McIlrath.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:38 pm EST

Bob also forgot Chiarelli is very well acquainted with who McD is and will not be robbed, remember what he gave up for the Prince? He's not a stupid man.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:36 pm EST

Bob you really think McD is worth a top three pick in this years draft and a top pick prospect? This is the same guy that came here for Gomez, the same guy that isn't a PP specialist and is good 5 on 5 and is more a shut down Dman. This is not a Norris level D man despite what you want to believe he is worth a Mid first and a project he is not worth two top 3 picks not in a million years.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 4:29 pm EST

The Edmonton media has evaluated McDonagh? The same folks that said that Ales Hemsky was untouchable and worth at least 2 #1 picks, or that Sam Gagner was an absolute untouchable? Want to know why they still suck? MacTavish believed the baloney their media was selling.

Bob


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:49 pm EST

EVET I guess you missed the article in EDM where they don't feel he's worth anything close to what you think McD is worth. Hes considered a second tier Dman and a bottom second tier Dman at that. He;s not worth a top three pick let alone getting a prospect of Draistl level. I think you have wishful thinking going for you.........................RHET Skeij is a left D not a right.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:48 pm EST

I don't think AV was out to get MCilrath either..But I also think he didn't like his game or thought it was what the Rangers needed...Two mistakes...Mcilrath started slowly but when he was playing with regular ice time he handled everything thrown his way..including getting the puck out of the zone.....AV watched him play....but obviosuly didn't value what Mcilrath could bring over the game of Girard and the great offense of Boyle.....Again, he wasn't out to get Mcilrath, just the way he gauges the Ranger's need and an example of poor decision making by the caoch......Whne it fianlly became apparent to AV that he was wrong or that injury forced his hand again, iot was too late to get the rusat off in the POs after sitting...OTOH, SKEJI was playing regurlaly all year, even if mosotly in hartford

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:33 pm EST

.Should be... I don't feel like AV's out to get Wrath.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:32 pm EST

York... I don't feel like AV's not out to get Wrath. The kid was behind the 8 ball from the beginning. He had 6 high priced veteran's ahead of him, who did we think was going to play more? My impression is that AV is old school where you bring along most rookies slowly. You don't give them more than they can handle and you don't put them in a position where they can fail in big situations. Guys like Mcdonagh or Skjei are the exception to the rule. They play with the confidence of a veteran early on in their careers. I expect Wrath to have a big role with the team next season. I also expect to see him play more on the PP and PK. If we trade Girardi, our TOP three RD end up being Klein, Wrath and Skjei. The only thing we have in the system that's of any real substance on the right side is Sergey Zborovskiy and we just drafted the kid... .If I do end up being wrong about it and he is traded? ...then you and I will meet up at MSG the day after and I'll bring the pitchforks and you bring the torches.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:24 pm EST

The Rangers need a few things for next year but one of the tops on my list is a "skilled irritant/pest/asshole"...Anjybody have any suggestions? Might have to overpay but it would be worth it..

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:17 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Yeah, RF4L showed me that a bit ago..Although the first two years and last 4 aren't bad, I agree it's a bit too much..Better to get him healthy, then deal him with some money...

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:14 pm EST

HOSPO: To buy out Girardi it would be the following cap hit for the next 8 years.. $1.750/$2.750/$3.750/$3.750/the last 4 years are $1.250. Just way too much dead cap space.

DOUBLEN


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:10 pm EST

EVETS - why apologize? he's not even gonna be a Ranger fan after June...

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:09 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Girardi had come to my mind if his injuries make him untradeable and a buyou could help (doesn't sound like it though)...I think all the rest of the players can be traded if we want...Except maybe The King and his king sized contract..

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:06 pm EST

Gorton and the Rangers are in a real tough spot this off season. They HAVE to retool... that goes without saying. However, if they plan on keeping Lundqvist (and there is no indication that they have any other plan for him) then they have to put themselves in a position to continue to contend for the playoffs. That means throwing every free dollar at Steven Stamkos. That would require the Rangers to move Nash. Not sure what they can get for him. Probably a few picks and prospects. Now, I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the Rangers really want to reshuffle the deck with this team, they need to move McDonagh to Edmonton, perhaps along with someone like Hayes for their first rounder and maybe Leon Draisatl; maybe more... I don't know. That high pick can be used to take one of Austen Matthes, Patrick Laine, Jesse Puljujärvi, or if the Rangers want to replace McDonagh with a stud defensive prospect, they can take Jacob Chychrun. With Draisatl in the fold, the Rangers can continue to wheel and deal and move Stepan at the draft before his NTC kicks in, perhaps for another high draft pick and prospect. IF the Rangers can sign Stamkos in the offseason, then Gorton can continue to reshape this team by moving Brassard. I'd like to see them resign Staal at a reasonable amount, maybe 4.5 mil and go out and sign Jamie McGinn at around 4 mil. We'd have a lineup that looks something like this with a team salary at around $70 million with raises for Kreider, Stalberg, Miller, McIlrath, Raanta, resigning Yandle at 6.5 mil. and dealing Girardi and retaining 1/3 of his salary (about 1.9 million). FANTASY LINEUP: Miller-Stamkos-(top draft pick: Matthews/Laine/Puljujärvi), Kreider-Draisatl-Zuccarello, McGinn-Staal-Buchnevich, Stalberg-Lindberg-Fast, Yandle-Skjei, Staal-Klein, Graves-McIlrath. YORK... I apologize... I know you hate this kind of speculation.

evets1980


Wed Apr 27 2016 3:00 pm EST

RHET I'm not leaving if AV stays I leave if AV stays and Wrath goes that will be it for me until he's gone and GOrton. As for the Yanks How many championships do they have again, and how many do the Rangers have? A little easier to be more forgiving being a Yanks fan.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:57 pm EST

HOSPO: You can still buy out players, but they will count against the cap. Who are you thinking of buying out ?

DOUBLEN


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:57 pm EST

E but you could easily say he lost the locker room. Repeatedly he stated in the media that the team needed to do this or that and they didn't. That they weren't picking up there coverage, that they weren't pressing the other team. How many times did he say I don't know what happened tonight, I thought they were ready before the game and they were prepared but they just didn't come out to play. Look at the comments from Brassard, Hank, Girardi, McD all back handed comments towards the coach. Hayes laughed in his face when AV called him out in the media stating that AV was wrong, how the hell can he have this team when the kids aren't even taking him seriously? You say he earned his way to having another kick at the can, how exactly did he earn his way, MSLs mom doesn't pass that would have been a whole different year, not to mention the key thing here is what has been the biggest change in this team? Accountability and leadership and who was obviously doing that the last couple years Richards and MSL. Funny how it was MSL who read Hags the riot act in practice for goofing around and not the coach that speaks volumes.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:54 pm EST

E.... I totally agree. AV was not my first choice either, but you make due. I was never a fan of the way he coached in the Finals with Vancouver or us for that matter. My biggest issues with him are in the postseason more than anything else. I get a chuckle out of NYR fans that say they are dumping the team if AV stays on. Really?Being a fan is quitting if you don't get your way? Having been a Yankee fan that lived through the 70's and 80 'Bronx Zoo' era and all the crap Steinbrenner did to the team, I just laugh.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:49 pm EST

E - Toally disagree....He had the talent to get those 100 point seasons...The coaching wasn't there to put it all together..Just like in Vancouver.. Actually, I think, he did some good things the previous years...but not enough,,..This past year he totally failed as a coach....no orgnaiztion, no chemistry, no identity, no passion, no consistency...He had all year to develop it and did NOTHING...Who wants continuity of that? Not me.....The East adapted or conformed to the Rangers, past by them in certain depratments, AV failed to change..failed to adpat to the changing situation, failed to use his personnel as they could be used instead of what he wanted......To me, the ultimate decision on a coach is about whether he got the most out of individuals and as a team.......Honeslty, I look at the Rangers and saw nothing but disappointments individaullay except for KLEIN, STALBERG, FAST and MILLER and, as a team, even worse....I'll take a new start over continuity of that any day..

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:45 pm EST

RF4L.... Stepan's NMC does not kick in until July 1st of 2017 and in the final 2 years of his deal he also has a Limited NTC. We can live with It. Why did Gorton give Stepan that NMC/LNTC? Because that's what all of the comparable centers to Stepan were getting. We have Ryan O'Reilly to thank for the dollar amount and the clause, but I guess that's beside the point. Also, why should we get rid of our best center and probably the best forward on the team? Because some fans don't like him? Maybe you trade him if you sign a Stamkos or someone similar, but that's about it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:37 pm EST

I'll re-state from my perspective. I didn't want AV as coach. It's a philosophical thing. But now that he's the coach I simply cannot see the logic of dumping a coach who took a team to the SCF, ECF, and finished this seasons debacle with still 100-points. That is unless somebody could show something deeper like: he lost the locker room. I believe firmly in continuity. So now, I see two criteria going forward to continue to get his back. He's got to develop the kids and still maintain a high level of play thru 82+ and a solid showing in the playoffs. If not? I'm all in on calling for his removal. I just don't see the benefit of making a move right now. That stated, I'll still piss and moan about his overarching game plan. i just don't wanna see instability because of an early exit. I think he's earned a chance to work his way thru this challenge.

E


Wed Apr 27 2016 2:21 pm EST

RF I'm shocked that Gorton didn't change his way of doing things knowing full well that this team needs to start using its picks and there he goes trading away another couple of second rounders this one is even worse than the rest because Staal will walk now and did nothing in the process. You could argue that MSL and Yandle at least had a couple years here. This is on par with the Clowe deal.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:58 pm EST

No pick for the young talent challenged Rangers until number 77. Ridiculous and bad management all around IMO.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:56 pm EST

RF there were none to give up and Carolina wanted an immediate return and I bet had Staal had a little bit better of a year a first rounder would have went in that deal.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:48 pm EST

LeoS: Gorton engineered Stepan's new deal and guess what? After July 1 a NMC! LOLOLOLOL. He has a window to get out from under that - will he take advantage of it? I sure hope so.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:47 pm EST

york: It sure does. At least no first rounder was given up....GORTON SUCKS!

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:46 pm EST

Hospo: Yes, all teams can buy-out any player, save for those who signed at 35 and older and the few stlll on those front end loaded deals (I believe Marian Hossa might be the only one left). The penalty is prohibitive, however. Someone posted the buy-out cost for Girardi the other day - it would cost the Rangers a cap hit of $1,75, $2,75, $3,75, $3,75 for the first 4 years and then $1,25 for 4 years after that. IMO, the Rangers would be better off eating 1/3 of his salary and getting a decent draft pick/prospect for him in a trade vs the buyout.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:42 pm EST

RF what went in the Staal deal a prospect who will be playing in the NHL in the next year or so and two second round picks, does that not sound an awful lot like the last three or four deals made here? Yandle prospect who can play and picks, MSL player who can play and picks? Do you see a trend?

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:33 pm EST

We can at least hope Gorton has learned not to give out NMCs like they're, say...........New York Rangers draft picks ;)

LeoS


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:28 pm EST

OK, I asked the question the other day about BUYOUTS..but nobody answered...REading about other teams like MINN and PHIL getting cap space by Buying out players....Can that still be done? Can the Rangers do it? Or is it the buyouts leftover from the last labor agreement that the Rangers already used up?.....................................One team to look at for possible trades in MINNESOTA

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:25 pm EST

York18 - Persoanlly, I couln't care less about Sather anymore...True or not, going forward Gorton gets the credit or blame from me.............While I can see an aging Sather still being part of defining the direction. the moves will be (or continue to be) up to Gorton....I though he did so-so last year

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:22 pm EST

IF Gorton engineered the last 3 trades (or more), I will be soon be free of the torture of being a Ranger fan because 1) AV will stay forever and 2) more horrible trades compromising the future will occur 3) McI will finally get jettisoned. In other words, if this is how Gorton operates the Rangers will suck for YEARS!

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:21 pm EST

that should say when Gorton WASN'T

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:18 pm EST

HOSPO I think it's bullshit for people to just hate on Sather. Why would Gorton stay if he had to just follow whatever Sather says and has zero power? He had multiple opportunities to go GM for other teams and not stay in NY. No person in their right mind would stay if they didn't have the actual power of the title that goes with it when they can anywhere else. This is Gortons team, he has headed some of the deals we all hate now and Sather seems to get blamed no matter what. I find it funny that when Gorton was assistant GM Sather put the core of this team in place that would be what was the back bone to this franchise and its winning. Boneheaded moves came when Gorton came along and funny how the same MO continues after Sather steps down as GM, must be Sather.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:17 pm EST

Hospo - no doubt. Torts, for one, would probably love to have him again.

LeoS


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:15 pm EST

LeoS - Girardi is just not made for AV's defensive scheme...Yes, he has gone downhill but I actually think he could still be a solid 2nd-3rd pair D-man in the right scheme...but that won't be an AV coached Ranger squad...So, let's hoe to god somebody else wants him (and money) or, better yet, AV IS CANNED!!

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:13 pm EST

On a non-hockey note: as I listen to these player interviews...what is that chattering noise? Cameras? If so, I can't imagine that many photographers are using film cameras nowadays and for the rest of them: Go to Settings > Shutter Sound > Off :)

LeoS


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:12 pm EST

Higgy... The maximum length the NYR can sign Stamkos to would be a 7-year deal. Only Tampa could sign him to an 8-year deal. He would just turn 33 by the end of a 7-year deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:12 pm EST

York18 - Yep....All that is possible..as well as could be meanignless..We'll never know..What we do know, is that GORTON is now the GM and this is what he gets judged on....I shouldnt have used the word "puppet" but the fact is that Gorton is still part of a heirarchy..And yes, it's quite possible they all have the same philosophy......but at some point GORTON will have to look out for his job......Will be a very interesting off-season......Personally, I'd let somebody else like TOR get Stamkos..but would try very hard for HALL..and every single Ranger is tradeable and dumpable....While everybody wants to deal NASH, and I agree, a player like MZA might be more valuable to other teams.

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 1:06 pm EST

Girardi was in decline from the start of the season, many people here were noting it well before his knee injury.

LeoS


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:48 pm EST

Let me get this straight so far all the excuses are in place for Gorton blaming Sather, meanwhile no one takes into consideration that Gorton did a lot of the dealing for Sather the last couple years and that he was the assistant GM, he had a chance to go somewhere else why would he stay if he was nothing more than a puppet with no say? He had his way out to where he could have been GM in a couple of places no one thinks of this or the fact that Gorton is also a problem as HE is the guy who loves giving away draft picks, look what he gave up for Staal or are we blaming that on Sather too? Denial is something strong here.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:45 pm EST

What we need is to move and eat some salary on Nash. Allow Eric to go back to Carolina, and hopefully convince Marc to go there. I don't mind Girardi for one more season to see what he really does have left. In one more yr, his contract becomes a limited no trade clause, which could make things a little easier. Move one of Stepan or Brassard, and move one of Kreider or Hayes. I do want Stamkos, but no longer than 6-7 yrs. I would definitely move McDonagh and make Klein Captain, but we all know that would never happen.

Higgy21


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:40 pm EST

E.... Hopefully, we sign Stamkos first and then make some strategic trades after to get younger and also excise some payroll. The last thing we need to do is gut the team and then miss out on signing Stamkos (which would be old school NYR).... Savior? No. He does however have a lot of the intangibles that this team is missing .

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:40 pm EST

The question is, how much power and control does GORTON actually have? Yes, he's the GM but Sather is still there above him....I could easily see Gorton retooling/going younger/dealing respected Rangers to build HIS team....OTOH, if he's just a puppet and Sather makes the calls still...I'm betting on sideways moves for the same type of players and the same ages........And until I hear for sure that he is coming back.......CAN AV!!!!

Hospo


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:26 pm EST

E - funny, I had this gut-wrenching moment yesterday evening when Ithought about AV decrying the overall state of his defense and envisioned AV lobbying to get Subban.

LeoS


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:22 pm EST

WIOSA - Streaky and inconsistent for Kreider but not Nash? Last season Nash had a career year (the outlier, imo, he's more a 25-low30 goal guy historically) in which he still reverted to Playoff Rick Nash - leaving us in the lurch as I angrily posted at the end of last season. This season, as TD pointed out, we hardly missed a beat in his absence. I looked up career playoff stats and was quite surprised to see Nash: 65gp 12g 24a, Kreider: 65gp 20g 13a. Now look at their relative salaries (and what help losing each player's cap hit might bring back) and what stage of their career each is at (CK upside imo, we've likely seen the best Nash has to offer)... So how do you justify ditching CK but not the Fearsome Backchecker? And believe me, I'm as sick as the next person of hearing "Kreider misses the net wide" and its many variants.

LeoS


Wed Apr 27 2016 12:15 pm EST

Why am I terrified that the NYR are gonna gut this team is some bumbling way and we'll end up with Stamkos? Our latest franchise savior. Dread this thought.

E


Wed Apr 27 2016 11:51 am EST

EVETS I think TD was talking about the Cagullia and that he already has interest signing somewhere forgot where.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 11:42 am EST

E, I'll look over there cap situation tonight and then answer you... The cap in and of itself may be in the drivers seat for them, hence the need for youths, feeder system, low dollar UFA signings...

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 11:38 am EST

MF: how much do you think St. Louis is gonna want to change if they go deep into the playoffs? They look every bit a contender as the other WC teams.

E


Wed Apr 27 2016 11:32 am EST

The Rangers need to look at North Dakota for college free agent signings this year: Junior defenseman Troy Stecher and Senior winger Drake Caggulia.

evets1980


Wed Apr 27 2016 11:21 am EST

WIOSA there is an old saying are you hurt or are you injured there is a difference. The coach can see the difference. If a player comes back and his play is suffering and he's hurting the team then I don't care if it's your best player or not if he's hurting your team he's not your best player any more. When a player starts hurting your team he is your worst, or one of your worst players at that moment. This is why I wonder how many people coached here because your job as a coach is to see what is hurting the team and fix it within your power and this was within AVs power.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 10:51 am EST

YORKIE....On Nash, this was a lousy year for him....I don't see a repeat.

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 10:19 am EST

YORKIE I said you and I are on the same page with Dylan . AV apparently doesn't see a good defensive game from him, there are others who don't either. I don't see why they're saying. Are there defensive lapses in his game? Yes...expected from any player, especially a rookie. Either way he had far less than Girardi. .....DG' s concussion, no I don't think he's lying I think he's talking about the after effects and being rusty. He was cleared to play. ....Look around the league they ALL have ailments. Last season one of the Bolts triplets played with a broken hand..Callahan came back seven days from an appendectomy. Players play hurt.

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 10:00 am EST

WIOSA G said he still had symptoms so he's lying? You don't see a good defensive game in Dylans play? Really, what did you see then, he must have really sucked and everyone but you and AV were the only two to see it. You have no excuse for Gs knee I noticed you glossed right over this, and Nash isn't a third line winger what is 15 goals and a back checker? Oh that's right a third line winger. If you call Kreider inconsistent what is Nash who he outscored. I'd circle back to Wrath but it's a waste of time if you don't think he has a good defensive game which leads me again to wonder what you are watching if you're watching him play.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:55 am EST

YORKIE...nope not kidding..DG didn't still have a concussion or he wouldn't have been cleared to play. As for a good replacement, you and I are on the same page with Dylan, Coach is not. I could go for he dislikes Dylan's work ethic, but his work ethic is fine...and let's face it Hayes is out there. I could say he's worried about penalties, but Dylan took none last game. I could say AV doesn't trust rookies, but Brady was put on a first pairing, in a playoff! It seems obvious he doesn't see a good defensive game in Dylan's play. He is not alone...I don't see it, but others do. .....As for Kreider and Hayes, Kreider is an enigma, streaky an d inconsistant. Hayes is a little harder, he shows more promise, but lousy work ethic..IMHO. For the record, Nash is NOT a third line winger.

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:51 am EST

And we move Girardi for whatever we can get...

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:49 am EST

York18: I'd ascertain what the Blues feel Hayes is worth... If not Hayes, maybe they're interested in Nash and we eat $alary if need be for Shattenkirk...... Also, I would not resign Moore, and I'd trade Glass

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:24 am EST

RF, Step an and McDonagh cost $11.2mill...Edmonton would subtract $6mill from that byoving Hall, RNH, Eberle........ As for the UFA signings, Loui Eriksson LHS, Backes RHS is more of what we need than Ladd IMO, Brouwer RHS, ...... Boedker LHS may be available for around $4.5-$5mill, fast skater....

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:23 am EST

AV is either the biggest fool in coaching or he didn't want staal and he's not the biggest fool despite what some think. He never once used him in a way that would bring out the best in Staal. Despite Vics love of Hayes he was a huge problem constantly turning the puck over in the neutral zone, hard to get offense when you can't get in the zone. I guess Vic believes that if Hayes passes you the puck once or twice in a game it should go in the net since it came from the golden one LMAO. Staal was saddled with two non scoring players, not used with players that better fit his style Miller/Kreider and AV just buried him there without once making moves that tells me he never wanted him here.

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:20 am EST

WIOSA Are you kidding me? You can't be serious, I don't care if his friggin leg was dangling by a thread of skin and he wanted to go back out there if it hurts the team you don't do it PERIOD. AV had a viable player in Wrath and he played well really well while G was out, but instead he rushes him back and puts him in when he CLEARLY couldn't play THAT IS ON THE COACH. As for concussions I'm calling bullshit in todays day NO PLAYER wants to rush back from a concussion don't give me that crap Now you'd trade Kreider and Hayes before Nash who is a scorer? Yeah sometimes and not in the playoffs, I don't know what hockey you watch but it isn't the same game I watch where keeping an 8 mil a year third liner is good hockey dump Hayes yes, Kreider not a chance and you thinking Nash is a keeper is just insane IMO he has been a horrid pickup for this team his lack of intensity was reflected by the whole team this year, sorry I want that culture removed from this team, go watch Wendel Clark play Nash couclnd't carry his jock strap to the rink................TD you make it sound easier than it is, sorry. First who is going to want Nash and second what kind of return is he really going to bring back? He's not going to bring in the return that was sent to bring him he that's for sure. Trade Yandles rights? Okay for what a fourth rounder? That does nothing to help the team this coming year. I agree Skeij jumps into his spot, Wrath into Boyles, You lose Nash and bring in Buch IF he comes over and IF he's ready for the NHL right out of camp, that's not a huge deal considering Nash had 15 goals this year hardly something that can't be replaced. Now comes the questions that still have to be answered where does Hayes play, and Lindberg, you get Ladd okay maybe I just don't see this team being any better than this year with everything you just said. I see the same problems leaderless team as this year.....................MF I see you have shettenkirk Klein Wrath where is girardi and what is bringing Shat here and don't say girardi..................

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 9:08 am EST

MF I dont think it was spite..we have a glut of centres, all but one have trouble scoring I might add. So we go out and get -drum roll please- a centre, who is having trouble scoring. If AV was consulted, that's cause for concern, if he wasn't, it was probably AV' s way of saying.."WTF??!!"

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:55 am EST

Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance...... Penguins have signed undrafted free agent D Lukas Bengtsson to ELC. Big playoff w/Frolunda, lots of interest. Great skater. High hockey IQ.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:49 am EST

TD... The Blues have stated several times that they are seeking a Hockey Trade, qualifying that by saying players for players.... Their RHD are Pietrangelo on the first pair, Shattenkirk 2nd, ? On3rd, and a RHS Panyanko or something playing the Left Side although he's a RHS who they want to move to the right........ Vic, thinking of trading Girardi is easy, moving him and his contract, another story... RF, your comment on Staal makes me wonder if there was any spite in AV towards management, and that's why he used E Staal the way he did... Spite or no spite, grounds for dismissal IMO...

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:22 am EST

Vic: Trade Stepan to Nashville for Ryan Ellis and a pick. Ellis is a smooth puck handling defenseman with offensive flair - precisely what Boyle was supposed to be.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:08 am EST

RF: That is why I responded to BOB the other day that I didn't think AV wanted anything to do with STAAL. I think that was a SATHER/GORTON move, and that they more or less "saddled" AV with STAAL. And for all the folks who want to blame STAAL's lack of production on HITLER, give me a break. HITLER setup STAAL on many occasions when they played together and STAAL couldn't score. That is on STAAL, not on HITLER. There is no way I want STAAL back on this team. He isn't a top 6 player anymore. He will be even less productive then NASH. And if the Rangers are interested in having him back as a third liner please move on. I'd rather have a younger, faster and less expensive player in that role. I'd rather have LINDBERG in that role then STAAL.

Vic


Wed Apr 27 2016 8:02 am EST

Lets take these one at a time. First, lets talk about the right side D. BOYLE is gone (THANK GOD). GIRARDI's play this past year was severely hampered by his knee injury. With his contract, NMC and play this past year it is difficult to imagine he would be moved. There would be few teams interested unless the Rangers ate salary and they really can't afford to do that. Plus, I think GIRARDI will have a much better year next year. I don't know if he can ever be a #1 right side defender again but I don't know that the Rangers have any other options. KLEIN will be back and he has been great.....when he is used properly. I think KLEIN was fantastic as a #2 right side D, and that is where he should stay for now. When he was asked to assume the #1 duties he faltered. He couldn't handle it and his play dropped off a lot down the stretch of the season. Thinking KLEIN should be the Rangers #1 right side D is a huge mistake IMHO. And finally, I think McILRATH will be the Rangers 3rd pair right side D next year. Does AV have the same faith in McILRATH that he has in SKJEI? Definitely not. But I think McILRATH will do fine in that role. The only X factor in the analysis of the Right Side D is SKJEI. If the Rangers feel that SKJEI can play the right side on a day to day basis that could change things. Assuming YANDLE isn't resigned that would mean one other left side D would have to make the team. Is GRAVES ready? Would BODIE get a shot?

Vic


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:55 am EST

mf - I think you're dreaming about SHATTENKIRK. I don't think St. Louis has any reason to trade him before the deadline next year unless a team is giving them something like the haul the Yotes got for YANDLE. And that, my friend, is a non-starter with the Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:54 am EST

And I know it's been mentioned on here already but E Staal sure wasn't pleased with the way AV used him, rightfully so IMO. The strange use of Staal is another, for me anyways, example of the oftentimes baffling roster moves courtesy of the head coach. Alas, what that ultimately did I suspect is ensure Staal won't resign (assuming AV isn't fired) which if true, can be compared to the stupid Clowe trade and perhaps is even worse. That in turn means Gorton's first trade without holding Sather's hand can be deemed a miserable failure. And to think he's apparently about to start a retooling effort. Yikes....makes me nervous to ponder.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:52 am EST

WIOSA - while I would be lying to say the Rangers won't miss Rick NASH, we got a pretty good look at what the team would look like without him when he went down for 15-plus games last winter, and they really didn't skip a beat. Nash was fifth in team scoring and six goals away from tying for fifth. Now here's the scary part: LINDBERG, who was eighth on the team, was just two goals shy of Nash's total with eight more games. And that's the point in Nash: We've relied too long on him scoring the big goals...but he doesn't. There's always an illusion that he does because he does pump in a nice one here and there(see the shorty vs. Pittsburgh)...He's on the other side of 30 and though he plays sound defense, he simply can't be the player that he's being paid to be, which is the speartip of the Rangers' offense. He just doesn't have it in him...and I'd argue he never did...Trading HAYES and KREIDER would be easy. There are plenty of teams that would line up for either...and in Hayes' case, I think you're right: The Rangers should look hard into moving him if they can get a good return. But the first on my list to trade is Nash. His contract versus what he brings to the ice. It's a simple decision too, when five other players are scoring more than 20 goals and all of them are between three and seven years younger than Nash.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:48 am EST

Seems like we & the league will now wait until this Saturdays Lottery announcement for the "Mathews Sweepstakes." Hopefully Edmonton wins it. My second choice is that Colorado wins it.... Then watch teams shower them with love to try to work out a deal..... "Love is in the air......." I could vomit on A-Vishysoisse........

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:47 am EST

mf: I know - but that doesn't mean it gives Gorton carte blanche to make the same mistake(s) again. He needs to be very careful about handing out more Girardi/Staal and Nash deals IMO.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:45 am EST

RF: we can eat salary IF we shed enough of it...... This could show up by taking back an unwanted contract from a trade partner, which hopefully we could turn around and flip for a pick, or eat some salary if we're moving a Nash, Girardi, Staal.......

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:42 am EST

Righty

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:41 am EST

Real Simple: to reshape the D'corps.... Trade for Shattenkirk.... he has 1 year remaining @ $4.25mill, and if he is getting bumped to $5.5-$6mill per, at 27 y/o & a RHS, may be a better bang for the buck compared to Yankle... With SKJEI's recent display of mobility, I'd gor for the rughty.....This move leaves us with KLEIN / SHATTENKIRK / MCILRATH down the right, & MCDONAGH / STAAL / SKJEI down the left....... NEXT: want to talk talk about moving McDonagh or M.Staal? OK, go from there.....

mf


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:38 am EST

TD, On Boyle, I too am saddened that he chose to create a scene as his last goodbye story, when the story should've been his excellent career. The other thing he did, a pet peeve of mine, is claim"nobody respects you" speak for yourself, and in private....As to the tweaking, have you forgotten we can't score? This team just can't score. I would move Hayes and Kreider before I moved Nash. This was a lousy, injury plagued year for Rick, he's a scorer and terrific on defense. As always JMHO.

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:35 am EST

TD: I can align to your proposals, except the Ladd piece. What I don't want to see is the Rangers go out and sign another veteran on the downside of 30 to a long term fat contract, which Ladd will be getting. Been there, done that. Too often.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:34 am EST

even = if

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:33 am EST

McD wouldn't bring back a top 3 pick and someone like Hall. However, he and Stepan might, even the Oilers could stomach the $10,000,000 in salary that would mean.

RF4L


Wed Apr 27 2016 7:07 am EST

York - Totally agree. This notion that McDONAGH(who I think Edmonton does underrate) would bring back a HALL-type player AND a high first is dreaming. Think you could probably get the high first and a prospect...but what some have been musing about here and what Brooksie lifted without credit is just about as pie-in-the-sky as Edmonton wanting to pick up GIRARDI'S contract...where we diverge thought is I don't think this team is a difficult fix. When I started thinking about the offseason, I was initially thinking they'd need to retool a la the Bruins last year...but the more I think about it, there are a few substantive tweaks that can be made to bring this team back into the fold...more or less like what Washington did...losing a few long-time players(WARD and BROUWER) and bringing in new blood(OSHIE and WILLIAMS) First and foremost is solving the issue on the right side. BOYLE is gone and that's addition by subtraction. Tough part is determining whether Girardi's drop in play was related solely to his injury or just an overall decline in his play...either way, I don't think another team is going to take him on to find out, so I suspect he's here. Next, TRADE NASH. It's gotta happen. Management has to go to him and explain in plain English that while he's not the root of the problems, he's not a good fit and the organization is moving into the future. I'm sure there's a willing suitor for Nash. Just the question is whether its some place where he'd accept the deal...Then decision-time on YANDLE. And that's an easy one: See ya. Trade his rights to anyone who will listen. As good as he was at times, he still didn't push the Rangers' PP into the top 15 in the league and that was what he was brought in to do. Sad to lose everything that we did in that trade and the Nash deal(and the Staal deal for that matter), but such is life. So if all this goes down, the question is who comes back. BUCHNEVICH, if he's coming over, will hop into the top nine. And someone will need to jump into Nash's spot. SKJEI jumps into Yandle's slot. Then it's a matter of rounding out the lineup. I'd see what Andrew LADD wants in a contract...he's about the only UFA I'd go after unless Staal would take a big pay cut(which I doubt he will) Core is good here. All it needs are tweaks.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:35 am EST

On Brooksie and Boyle - Guys, also remember Brooks wrote that stupid "Zed's Dead" article, which probably won him no fans in the Rangers' locker room. Brooks is a known commodity and I won't stick up for him at all because he's just like the paper he writes for...but that said, you're a professional hockey player leaving a team and possibly the NHL after a somewhat storied career came to an ignoble end. Don't try to shift the narrative. Don't try to deflect for your team's blisteringly apparent shortcomings. Play it honest. Leave the sport a professional. Blaming the media or in this case, berating the media is simply weak sauce. Don't like Brooks? Pull him aside and tell him. Don't do it in front of a billion cameras.

tdchi


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:33 am EST

...in defense of AV, who I don't think was so God awful, in pro sports, ummmm players play. Injured. It's a fact of life. Always has been. In fact, most of the players WANT to play, nobody has to make them. This is not just a quirk by this coach. FTR this holds true for the NFL - most sports actually - as well.

WIOSA


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:27 am EST

Girardi, his knee explains a lot, why he was slower, why he had trouble with strength and why he had trouble pivoting to come back on a player. That is on AV big time, you can't play your number one pair Dman with a bum leg against top pairs. Then puts him in with concussion symptoms unbelievable. To thinkthat AVs job is safe is criminal.............................Trading players that Edm article is very accurate in terms of over worth and the unreal expectations people have for return. Hank is this teams only superstar and that is it, people got over worked when McD was mentioned as a Norris player etc he's not, he's not in that catagory, like mentioned he's below a Kris Letang in most realities this guy will bring back a 5-10 first rounder and a project no way a top three and another top three prospect. Reality needs to set in and realize this is not an over night fix trading players away the team will get a little worse before it gets better,

York18


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:09 am EST

“With the group we have here, it’s a great group of guys and it’s a great team,” Girardi said. “One hundred one points, for a lot of teams that’s a really solid year. We still have to give ourselves a little recognition that we still got 100 points in a league where there’s no easy games. At the same time I say that, we know we can be a lot better than that. Keep it a lot more consistent, a lot of ups and downs this year, a lot of streaks where we were really bad for a bunch of games and good for one. That’s not going to get us where we need to be, ready for playoffs. If we lose in five games, we play our hardest every game and we don’t get a bounce or we lose in overtime, we’re not going to live with it but maybe we can sleep at night a little better. To go out like we did, didn’t have really a lot of pushback, it’s a tough one to swallow I think.”

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 6:07 am EST

anyone remember Paille ?.....don't forget to vote in nydn, and newsday....

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:55 am EST

still hope...."Vigneault’s own status hasn’t been affirmed, but he was allowed to handle exit interviews with players Tuesday. That might indicate he’ll be back, though John Tortorella did the same and lasted less than a week. Vigneault wouldn’t say if his assistants, notably Scott Arniel and Ulf Samuelsson, are assured of being back, noting that he and Rangers GM Jeff Gorton agreed to put off all analysis for a week to 10 days. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/04/27/rangers-vigneault-there-must-be-changes-this-difficult-summer/#comment-2728249

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:54 am EST

gross..."...Do the Rangers try to trade the veteran, a definite core member of the Rangers? Or, if they can’t move him do they consider a buyout? Girardi is confident that this season’s performance will wind up being an aberration in his career, and not a signal that, at 31, the wear and tear on his body has become too much. “Not bad,” Girardi said when asked how he felt. “The knee is getting better. Obviously I’m going to take this time to rest and recuperate and use the full month and training period in the summer to make sure everything is feelingg good and be in the best shape I can be for next year.” Girardi was also asked whether he is confident he can be the steady player he’s been in the past. “One hundred percent I can be,” Girardi said. “That’s why they signed me to a long-term deal. Obviously this year wasn’t the best for me and the whole team but I think I can be the player I was in the past. I’m using this summer to be ready and this is the turning point for me, I think.” But, Girardi was further asked, does he believe management is still committed to him. That was not an easy one to answer. “Well, I think so,” Girardi said. “Not much has been discussed. They have to do their thing. I’m ready to be my best next year. That’s not my decision to make. I’m not the coach or the GM or the president. That’s not my division. I’m just a player and I’ve got to be ready to be myself.”

stevielegs


Wed Apr 27 2016 5:37 am EST

all aboard...the capt fugitive parmenter bus.... since way before the deadline i said fishboy can get a good return because he has a very trade-able contract if he agrees to a trade , and the nyr might have less injuries.....including his own.....let me try some wall logic, if sather never signed gomez, then he couldn't trade him to the habnots for a guy who insists the nyr can't win without him , and his coach agrees.....too bad talkerella blew his job here....and sather didn't hire Lindy ruff....but Mr indispensable was a #1 pick....sign yandle instead.....

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