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Fri Jul 3 2015 10:33 am EST

did shepherd get signed by any team ? ....I'm not sure what veenknow's problem with him was, but I liked how he played the game.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:31 am EST

rhet when they are assigned to the ahl that will be the facts...so far I don't know what the October roster is or what the cap number is.....wish they could have kept hagelin ....hopefully they have added size and grit.....finesse doesn't win the cup.....but he played his role pretty good....that has to be replaced along with msl's....who those 2 spots get filled by is up in the air right now......

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:31 am EST

Rangers signed F Luke Adam today (formerly of Buffalo's system)

DREW


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:27 am EST

Rhet - Ditto

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:27 am EST

WILD - Thanks...But anything with the Brain/head is tricky....Let's keep the fingers crossed

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:26 am EST

Hospo... Zuccarello Suffered Skull Fracture, Brain Contusion.... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444991-mats-zuccarello-injury-updates-on-rangers-stars-upper-body-and-return

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:26 am EST

RHET - you look at the team that finished the year and what we have so far...and you had MSL/Hags/Shep (kinda)..in the TOP 12..Right now the replacements are MZA/Stalberg/ETem which still leaves Glass as #12!!! ...

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:22 am EST

Hospo: it was a brain contusion. And he did play his charity game so that's good. Also I read something that the doctors told him that in August save anything odd he will (or should) be 100% and able to take full contact and the like. So as of last reports (2-3 weeks ago) he will be just fine for camp.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:14 am EST

I look at the Ranger forwards as is, and the biggest key by far to me is the health of MZA...Now, I don't see a Cup winner by any stretch but He returns, they will be OK..He doesn't, they are, IMWO, in big trouble....even if youngsters improve.......So my question again , is, has anybody heard anything on Zucc's injuries...Is he fine to go? Was it Jaw or concussion or both?

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:14 am EST

Hospo... I would like to believe that he was signed to play top 12 and Glass is the 13th forward :) Anyway, if he makes the team, it will be because he beat out someone.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:12 am EST

Stevie... They were signed as AHL depth, none of them count against the cap. It would not have helped us with Hags ....WIOSA.... In regard to Ward: I am just relieved. Sather would have dumped Klein just so he could sign him :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:05 am EST

RHET - Maybe you're right or Another way to look at it is Stalberg was signed for a Top 12 spot plain and simple...Whether the Rangers find out in camp or during the season how worthless he is, will determine when he becomes "depth"...

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:04 am EST

rhet they have signed more than that. when it all shakes out, maybe...or maybe not.....I would have kept him but I'm not the gm......when the roster is set and the cap number with it, the cushion or no cushion will be revealed....long way to go until October......

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:03 am EST

Per Seth Rothman... $10.8M left, with Stepan, Miller, Fast, Etem still to be signed. That'll probably leave them with ~$1M or so.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:00 am EST

Rhett, figured that, it was a pipe dream anyroad. (Ward)

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:58 am EST

Rhett, more gambling. If they had kept him, and an affordable winger came up thru trade/FA then we would've been kicking ourselves. BUT the Rangers really didn't even look they started signing these FA's right away..so it does remain a mystery. If you knew there was nobody out there you could afford, then yeah, by all means keep Hags. JMHO

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:58 am EST

‏@NHLRumorsDaily ..... NYR are out on Joel Ward

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:57 am EST

rumors saying Rangers are OUT on Ward

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:55 am EST

Clark on Huska. Said they were NOT thinking of taking a G but they had him rated high on their G list, so when he was still there in the 7th round they grabbed him. Usually I think "yeah yeah, of course you had him rated high" but as goalies go, with the goalie guru they have and has impute it makes me interested in seeing how he develops. The Rangers seem to have done well with goalies, Hank of course, Talbot, Skapski seemingly, Halverson (40-5 is no joke no matter the level) and the Russian kid Shesterkin who I think from what I have read is a homer or a strike out but nothing in-between. Anyway, when the Rangers say a goalie has good stuff I tend to believe it.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:52 am EST

Stevie... We signed a 13th forward and a 7th D. Should we have forgone depth and a cap cushion to keep Hagelin?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:48 am EST

BTW, Luke Adam is a former highly-regarded prospect of the Sabres. He is AHL depth.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:46 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/luke-adam

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:42 am EST

NYR have signed Luke Adam.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:41 am EST

watching the live stream of the prospect scrimmage. That Huska kid in net really is tall, his waist is at the crossbar....long long legs....scary tall almost. Rangers sign Luke Adam

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:35 am EST

Stevie: That right there is why its possible that the Rangers value him differently than many fans, or maybe other teams. They after all know him best. Or they have it totally wrong and undervalue him. But even if he could have fit before they may have seen him as a lowe cap player than he will turn out.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:24 am EST

when the final cap numbers shake out , hagelin might have fit considering the guys the just signed. water under the bridge now.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:18 am EST

With Hags. Well of course it was a cap move. But what type? There is the "we can't afford you" cap move like that of Saad. There is also the cap move "we don't want you at that price". Hags could have been either or even both. The Rangers may feel he is a 3-3.25 mil per player max and felt he would get more so they decided instead of trying to force him lower or go higher that moving him was the best. Or they thought they just couldn't fit him and think he is a 3.75-4 per guy and didn't want to insult him with a 3 per offer. Both are very possible.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:15 am EST

wiosa like jimmy Durante ' everybody wants to get into the act'......veenknow has been skating under the radar without a cup.....sort of like Sather's last 15 years.....they try to wear Teflon suits......Gorton fisherman's better be waterproof.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:07 am EST

Steve sorry should've been clearer. I was picking up on something you were saying about the Responsibility for the choices made ....clearly not us fans. There is an old expression in business on responsibility " Success has a million fathers, failure is an orphan". Everybody wants to claim responsibility for the ideas that netted you the cup, nobody wants to claim the responsibility for the ideas if it blows up.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:03 am EST

wiosa the nyr failures have not been orphans, millions of fans have taken the plunge with them.

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:01 am EST

Vic the deal was the deal. You can't pick the parts. Everyone knows that Hagelin was a cap dump, and a trade with picks for eatit and and the pick of Gropp. how those 2 turn out vs hagelin and the picks for them do will determine how the trade was. just like the msl trade has and will.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:56 am EST

RF4L: at the time I thought that pick a conditional second that became a first with a SCF appearance should have been with a SCF victory. That I would have been ok with.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:52 am EST

RF4L, I too feel it was a cap dump, but that idea gets resistance around here, so I keep it open. As for Sather, wonder if he's going to be the Lou Lamorella of the Rangers? Was this draft his or Gortons? I cant imagine Gorton not knowing at draft time that he was being given the torch right after the draft, so wouldn't he want to have some say as to who is making up his team for the next 3 years? Cant imagine Sather saying 'Heres your new guys, tough shite if you don't like them". unless, he's being the Lamorello of the Rangers....SteveLegs...Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:49 am EST

STEVIE: Actually it was HAGS, the 59th pick and the 179th pick for EATME and the 41st pick. So, it really was a HAGS for EATME swap as the 59th and 179th picks should have landed the 41st pick separately.

Vic


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:30 am EST

Rf4l the new gm's job ,who was the asst , is to improve the nyr. Which means they should win the pres trophy and get to the finals. If he doesn't accomplish that next season he made the wrong moves. His rope is about 9 months. Good luck to him. There are no excuses.... Improve or fail...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:25 am EST

I love this team, always have. The last three years have been such a joy after the early dark years of Sather. I hate that we traded away two top speed guys in DuClair and Hags within a few months. I was excited about the pace with which this team plays and i thought Hags, Duke and Kreider would be hard to deal with on separate lines. Oh well, I hope Gorton is as smart as he thinks he is. I will watch and wait with morbid curiosity as we move into this new era. Enjoy your summer. I'm off to play some golf! Maybe i'll see some of the boys out there too!

DCIGolfer


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:19 am EST

stevie: How long either last remains to be seen and of course, is based on how the team does (or should).

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:17 am EST

BTW, can anyone explain why the Blues sought out size and physicality in trading Oshie? Isn't their problem a lack of sustained offense? Didn't they simply to their strength (size, forechecking, etc) with this trade and further compound their weaknesses? What am I missing? Except, perhaps, continued mediocre GMing........

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:13 am EST

Try to remember Hagelin trade wasn't straight up for eatit , they got a pick so many want who supposed to be a top pick according to Clarke . .... The guys gorton fisherman just signed better pan out since it wasn't trades. I assume he has done his homework and targeted these guys not just dumpster dived because of the cap. If not it would be better to have that space in case a deal comes up between now and the deadline. Try to remember all of these ingredients in next year's playoffs and how the nyr do. Just blaming Nash or Msl is the easy way out. Management and coaching decisions are a big factor in the results on the ice. It's not just the players. Success everyone gets credit. The same should be for failure's blame. And you don't have sather to kick around anymore after 10 years pass and all his moves are gone. It's all on gorton's shrugging shoulders now . How long will he last ? And Veenknow under him ?

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:45 am EST

Wild: True. It's truly subjective in part because MSL did play a significant role in last year's deep run. On the other hand, however, it's easier to overcome trading away 1 second vs 2 firsts. For me, it's the 2nd first that blows me away. Totally unnecessary and I cannot believe if Sather had stood his ground, he'd have gotten Yzerman to agree to something like Cally and last year's first for MSL. I think just like on the draft floor last week, Sather got fleeced. It's a good thing he's retired.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:42 am EST

WIOSA: The only reason I see trading away a vet for prospects is to free up cap space at this point in time. The core of what got this team to 2 deep PO runs is still very intact. The dilemma is this: Is it enough? It's not been so far and one could argue with the subtraction of Hags, the team is a little less than what it was. That said, they did get to within a game of the cup final without one of their main offensive cogs. It's reasonable to project a healthy MZA would have been enough to get them to the finals. However, it's also reasonable to expect injuries to play a role in every PO.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:41 am EST

RF4L: you could argue the Clowe trade was worse for Sather. I'd rather give up a 1st and get something positive than give up a 2nd and get nothing at all.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:38 am EST

I'd take Fehr at a good price. Big, will hit and can score.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:38 am EST

Bob: What's EE's shot like? Can he stickhandle? He must have some offensive skills - you don't fluke into 61 goals in 65 games, even if it's at the junior level.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:37 am EST

NYStranger...Could be. However, we all know the Rangers (like many teams, including Chicago) gambled. They were close to winning it all, needed some "loaners" (win me a cup this year) to cross the finish line and went for it. Difference is, Chicago it was a success, in NY it was thisclosebutnocigar. So the decision is, do we try again while this window is open (the attraction of Stewart, Fehr, Ward etc) or do we rebuild? NY is obviously going for it again. This is why trading away productive players for projects is frustrating, it makes no sense.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:36 am EST

Rhet: Yeah, I see your point. And those 2 trades aren't dissimilar and they're both terrible ones. At least MSL helped the Rangers get to the final 2 springs ago - the Islanders got nothing out of their trade.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:31 am EST

Hey Chicago after their 1st Cup a few years ago had to dismantle what looked to be quite a powerhouse of a team and made some tough decisions. Tough trades because of the cap. They may have been better off because they have won two more Cups. So who knows maybe the Ranger learn some hard lessons and do a better job of cap management moving forward. Maybe they will stop holding on to overpaid veteran non-playoff performers, eh, ehm...nash, eh, ehm. And adjust of the fly better now that the dinosaur has moved aside.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 3 2015 5:28 am EST

Vic youre raining on my parade! Of course it's a fools' parade, as I stated, if Ward was willing to go 2 for 2 the Caps would've signed him themselves. Sigh...one can dream.,,,,As for Etem, yes, we are in agreement, and it's really not hard to understand. If Etem is not instant gratification, then this deal was not good for us. So why would the Rangers make a deal that does not benefit us in our cup run this year? Money...pure and simple. It was to accommodate a Cap Crunch, which, for some reason, many do not want to accept. Not sure why.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:45 pm EST

NICK: No, I have not seen him but the evidence strongly suggests that he isn't the player that HAGS is because Anaheim wanted HAGS at significantly more money then they wanted EATME. BOB: You summed it up at the end of your post....."he has the skills to be a top 9". That says it all. It says that he has the potential but he isn't a consistent top 9 guy right now. And HAGS is. He is a top 9 offensively and he is a top tier defensive player in this league. He is one of the best defensive players in this league. And his speed and quickness are a disruptive force on the forecheck. That isn't just me saying that. That is GMs around the league.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:26 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M60v27E_-uE

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:23 pm EST

Hey VIC--I am no scout for sure. However, I have seen the guy play in most of his games in Anaheim over the past few years. He has bulk and hands that Hags could only dream of. He is not as fast as Hags. Nobody is as fast as Hags. But he is not slow. He can play on the PK, he or Stalberg will be on the 3rd and 4th lines, we will see which. At worst he is a 4th liner, at best he is Hags replacement. If the guy could gain some confidence.....he has the skills to be a top 9. The question is whether this is a check up from the neck up situation.

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:13 pm EST

Vic, on Etem you say: "I don't know a thing about him" but also "We know he isn't anywhere near the defensive player or the disruptive force that HAGS was." I don't think you can say both. I read somewhere EE killed penalties for the Ducks so he can't be that bad on the D. He also scored one more goal than The Disruptive Force did in the playoffs. But hey. I just want to wait and see the guy for 20-40 games before I bury him. Tough crowd!

Nick


Thu Jul 2 2015 10:52 pm EST

Could WARD and/or FEHR help this team? No doubt? But there is no way that either is coming here. The Rangers are bent over a barrel with respect to the Cap. There isn't enough money to pay either of those guys a quarter of what they could make elsewhere without moving another contract. BOB: not that HOPSO needs any defenders but I am on his side with respect to EATME. I've never seen the guy play, ever. However, as I've said before if you look at this trade you have to ask yourself a few simple questions. Why would Anaheim be so interested in HAGS if they had a better, younger, bigger, harder hitting, better hands, and CHEAPER version of HAGS in their system? Why would they want to take on HAGS Cap hit if EATME is a better player then HAGS with better upside? There are only two possible answers. The first is that they are too stupid to know that the player that they are giving away is the better player. The other answer is that EATME is a far lesser player then HAGS but is a guy who has shown flashes of offensive skill from time to time that suggest that he has the capability to score at a higher rate then HAGS' 17.5 goals per adjusted 80 game season. I strongly believe that it is the second reason and that this is another one of SATHER's "High Risk - High Reward" failure moves. My guess is that EATME more resembles guys like LISIN and CHRISTENSEN. Guys who had flashes of brilliance that you would see once every few weeks or so but not nearly enough to be a significant NHL player. So HAGS was moved because the Rangers completely mismanaged the Cap and were stuck in a situation where they couldn't play a productive and important player. Instead, they traded that player for a total long shot. I have nothing against EATME as I don't know a thing about him. But he will be forever judged against the value of what HAGS brought to this team on a nightly basis. Since we know he isn't anywhere near the defensive player or the disruptive force that HAGS was he better score 30 goals a year. That is the only way this trade works out for the Rangers. If he scores what HAGS scored (17.5 goals per 80 NHL games) or less then EATME is a total failure in my book. A trade that made the Rangers weaker, not stronger. And before anyone chimes in to say that HAGS had to be moved because of the Cap, let me say that the Cap situation as it exists today is a monstrosity created by Ranger mismanagement......just like this trade.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 10:05 pm EST

RF4L... You've seriously lost all perspective on the man. Re-read what I've written instead of reading into it and then tell me where I am "defending that trade."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:04 pm EST

MFred: Because Sather is no longer orchestrating dumb trades???

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:03 pm EST

Bob...Etem is the next Roman Ndur......none of the guys we added made us a better team than what we've had for the last 2 Years. 1 CUP in 75 years and counting!!!! Why do I care about this shit franchise?

MelvilleFred


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:55 pm EST

Bob...Etem is the next Roman Ndur......none of the guys we added made us a better team than what we've had for the last 2 Years. 1 CUP in 75 years and counting!!!! Why do I care about this shit franchise?

MelvilleFred


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:46 pm EST

Rhet: Yes, that was a horrible deal and probably worse than the MSL one. But you are citing an example from a GM who's 1) got 1/10th the experience of Sather 2) doesn't have the luxury of a job for life contract 3) overseen by an alleged psychotic owner. You really need to come up with a better example if you want to truly defend that trade IMO.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:46 pm EST

https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveLozo/status/616661444210372609/photo/1

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:54 pm EST

Hospo...oh yeah, I think he might be the key..I would love to have him, but no more than 2 years and within out cap limit, which is about 2.5 and let's face it. If Ward would take 2.5 for 2 the Caps would resign him...RHETT too funny on the Zucc link

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:20 pm EST

RF4L...The one that sticks out most in my mind was Tomas Vanek for Matt Moulson, a 2014 1st-round pick and a 2015 2nd-round pick. IMO, it was the deal that Yzerman used to set the parameters of the MSL deal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:07 pm EST

BOB - I know, no problem..And fire away with good humor, that's what this place should be about...As for Ward, I like him on my team, but haven't been pushing for him on the Rangers...He's WIOSA and JFC's Boy...If he ended up here, I'd love it, but can't see it for the years of his contract demands and the lack of Ranger cap space...Honestly, would like FEHR better...And I just have a problem with big guys that float and/or don't like to use their size much ..Some guys can get away wiith it..others can't

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:34 pm EST

Rhet. You're very knowledgeable on stuff like this so I will defer to you on the msl deal not bring unprecedented. But care to provide some examples?

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:33 pm EST

Zuc is a character..... https://instagram.com/p/4ptnTvL2O3/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:25 pm EST

HOSPO---Just being a PIA. Etem has the potential. We'll see if AV can get something out of him. Just have never been enamored with Joel Ward. I am sure he is a great guy, but there are others in his range from the Caps I like better. Like Fehr, for instance. The Rangers invariably go overboard with these signings. 2 years, too much $ and a NMC for Boyle. 2 years and too much $ for Glass. All we need now is a contract for more than 2 years and about $2.5 MIL for Ward and it is the same problem again.

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:12 pm EST

Rhet, if that's true not only should we stay away, we have to stay away, we don't have the cap room

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:09 pm EST

Hospo it's WOW... The maybe this maybe that train... Alias contrarian ....Nobody knows except you know who......

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:02 pm EST

WIOSA.... I've seen 4 years at $4Mil per reported for Ward. If true, I personally would stay away.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:59 pm EST

Wild, if the rumors are true he (Ward) is looking for 4 years, that in itself, without even knowing the money, is a game changer. We cant sign a 35 year old for 4 years. Of course, that's just the rumors

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:55 pm EST

WILD - Even then you or anybody won't KNOW...things are fluid,,..All that matters is the end result of the roster building, not the whys, if's, hows, excuses, reasons...and that's along way coming...Unitl then, everybody is right...or wrong..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:52 pm EST

BOB - Damn, man, you got the Exaggeration machine up and humming also!...I've proabably seen BOTH WARD and ETEM (lve and TV) more than most on here the past two years....but hey, no scout am I..I like what I like....Besides, unlike most of the fence sitters around here, it gives you plenty of ammunition to tear me to shreds in a few months or so if your boy succeeds..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:50 pm EST

Bob. We don't even know what Ward is going to sign for...or how long...so we don't know if it means they could have kept Hags. We will only know if the Rangers sign him.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:43 pm EST

Alias gaineyed

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:42 pm EST

Rhet I agree 100%.... Sather got gomezed....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:41 pm EST

Stevie.... I'm not saying I didn't want to go for it, just that Sather should have paid less. MSL only wanted to go to the NYR and we knew it. Sather blinked first in that deal and he had most of the leverage. I'm glad he's done as GM.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:38 pm EST

funny, cool http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=345&id=831643&lang=en&navid=nhl:topheads

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:38 pm EST

“It’s better to be a lion for one day than it is to be a mouse for life,” Sather said

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:35 pm EST

After several days of watching HOSPO kill Emerson Etem up here, a player he has rarely seen play, then bow down before the great Joel Ward, I just thought the WALL needed some balance. The important issue is that if the Rangers could afford the great Joel Ward, they would have been able to afford to keep Carl Hagelin. And for me, this is all in good fun.

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:30 pm EST

STEVIE - true enough, I can't knock Sather for having the balls to go for it the last few years... A few Breaks oor less breaks and we're in the Cup finals two years in a row...not bad at all..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:29 pm EST

Well, it worked.

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:27 pm EST

Rhet and they came fairly close last year thanks to msl. ....no regrets.....go for it is the way I prefer.....and they have....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:27 pm EST

Capitals signed Chris Bourque to a 2 year deal

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:27 pm EST

JFC- Gotta remember, Bob's another "ageist" like Nick...Anbody over 30 is a stiff...:)

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:24 pm EST

not that it matters much but hockey news is showing chris bourque on washington's roster -did he resign with them? knowing Ryan is likely at least riding pine on the big club.

jim9k26


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:20 pm EST

Stevie.... You make deals at the deadline for the playoffs and you're going to pay ridiculous/exorbitant prices. Which we did. A first and a 2nd(1st if we made the finals) for MSL is not crazy and there were precedents set for it. I personally wouldn't have paid it but we were going for it all and so we did.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:16 pm EST

would take brouwer in a moment summed up nicely by andystrickland: Last season Troy Brouwer won over 56% of FO, over 200 hits, 17:31 ice time, 2:06 pk/g, 2:58 pp/g, 145 sog, 8 PPG, 2 shg #stlblues has scored over 17 goals 6x and high of 25 -can play on any line and take FO's and a free agent next year that should do well in FA if not extended by Blues first

jim9k26


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:15 pm EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/02/rangers-martin-st-louis-announces-his-retirement-let-the-debate-continue/#sthash.ObuGFcjB.dpbs

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:01 pm EST

the msl trade was not a bad trade but sather showed his age . what msl contributed to the nyr should be appreciated. he led by example in his preparation . his execution diminished, and today he was man enough to retire, and eventually go to the hhof. ....he almost got the nyr a cup last season, if he did opinions would probably still be similar. I have no problem with what transpired, He can't be blamed for the picks. That's on the genius and the Gorton fisherman. And let's not forget the $7 mil man calahandjob forcing the whole issue. I hope they offer him a job with the nyr. he is a true professional......

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 5:01 pm EST

Bob -- Joel Ward is a "stiff"? Are you serious? He d have been in our top 10 in scoring. He had more goals than Brassard. He hits, he can fight. He plays an honest, hard-working brand of hockey. A stiff?

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:53 pm EST

True about OSHIE..He has the flash..but not the production in the POs...Kinda like the Rangers..But he does play a complete game..I guess, kinda like Nash in the POs is right..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:45 pm EST

Bob: there are plenty of reasons to argue against award. But a stiff? No. He is not a stiff. A stiff isn't a never quit high motor guy who can pot 20 in a season

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:43 pm EST

The Caps D isn't anything special. Especially considering Orpik will be another year older at over 6 mill against the cap.

RDW


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:42 pm EST

If Nash is a failure in the post season with .53ppg what is Oshie with .30?

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:40 pm EST

Have you seen Oshie's playoff stats..think Rich Nash

DOUBLEN


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:40 pm EST

Have you seen Oshie's playoff stats..think Rich Nash

DOUBLEN


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:35 pm EST

Joel Ward. Sorry, not impreseed. Not interested. We have enough stiffs on the club.

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:33 pm EST

https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/616719612445507584

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:24 pm EST

HIP - Younger and the dangle you will get..not so sure about the other stuff..but hope you do..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:24 pm EST

Don't think Brouwer is chopped liver, a good player to have, tough and goes to the net., but OSHIE is the much better all around player and can play in all situations..ANother good move by the Caps..but trying to piece them altogether..a little less of a grinder team with Oshie and WIlliams compared to Brouwer/Ward/Fehr...but then they let Green go..would think they would want an offensive D-man..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 4:07 pm EST

BROUWER, a third and a goalie prospect for OSHIE? Man...score one Caps. They have improved...I will say that. Still think HOLTBY sucks goat nuts, but whatever.

tdchi


Thu Jul 2 2015 3:51 pm EST

I think ETEM will be the equivalent of SHEPPARD in terms of what we knew about him prior to the trade, and what he really turned out to be for us on the ice and his role on the team. ETEM won't be spectacular, but he will be serviceable to solid. A little speed, a little heaviness, a little hitting, a little forechecking, some dangling, some nice move, definitely more youth & a cheap contract. I'm fired up for this kid to become a fan favorite.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 2 2015 3:50 pm EST

The Washington Capitals have acquired right wing T.J. Oshie from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for right wing Troy Brouwer, goaltender Pheonix Copley and a third-round pick in the 2016 NHL Draft, senior vice president and general manager Brian MacLellan announced today.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 3:46 pm EST

Hospo -- yeah, my iPad typing screwed that up....was supposed to,say "3rd or 4th line" and came out as "or 4th line". Washington used to bounce him between the 2 lines. That style of,just getting dirty and getting to the net can have value on ANY line really under the right circumstances.....it's so,basic, yet so,important and so many Rangers just don't do it. That's why I'd want to see him on the PP

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 3:23 pm EST

RF4L: knowing what the rumors have been and what teams are looking for and what the Rangers seem to be looking for I would bet his first move of note would be Klein for a vet F and pick(s)

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:57 pm EST

mf/RF4L..... Sather had to retire now or risk losing Jeff Gorton to another team (his handpicked successor). Too many teams wanted Gorton and he couldn't put him off any longer.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:54 pm EST

JFC: Ward on the PP? Not in AV's world! He can't pass the puck around the perimeter quickly enough! ;^)

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:53 pm EST

mf: I'm thinking that was part of it, but suspect the straw that finally broke the antiquated GM's back was the fleecing he took on the draft floor. He actually pseudo referenced it when he stated that GMs are getting younger and relating to them is more and more difficult for him. I'd argue they aren't getting younger - he's simply gotten old. I am eagerly awaiting Gorton's first move of consequence, whenever that might be. Will it give us an appreciation of where he wants to take the organization? Specifically, will it be another future for now deal? Will it be the opposite? Will it be a case of treading water (re trade a veteran d-man for a veteran forward)?

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:52 pm EST

JFC: I feel the same Ward is top, but Stewart would be good...thats from UFAs. I think a guy like King could bring SOME of that as well in a trade format...and I am sure there are others that could be traded for as well that I can't "See"

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:51 pm EST

JFC - I don't want him on the 4th line, I'd want him on the 3rd line instead of what the Rangers have to offer right now,

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:49 pm EST

WILD - To each their own,,,rather have players that can stand on their own and rise above no matter the linemates..Something he knows nothing about....well except for poor family sob story...But anybody Tanner Glass to Mats Zucarello can amass more points playing with better linemates, it's only logical, but it shouldn't impact the effort and game..that's where Stewart goes off the track IMWO

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:49 pm EST

If I had a choice between Stewart and Ward, I'd take Ward. Remember that goal in the POs he scored with no time left on the feed from OV? Stewart probably wouldn't have gotten there. It's the kind of goal that Ward scores consistently....he goes to the net as his first instinct,,it's his game and it is exactly what we need. How any one could not want him on or 4th line amazes me....price not withstanding. I'd also give him a shot on then2nd PP unit....just let him park his ass in front of the goalie. He'll chip in 3-5 on the PP and be invaluable,creating chaos in front....at ES too.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:44 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello ‏@zuccarello36 17s17 seconds ago Lucky to play beside my idol @mstlouis_26 and u will be missed cuz now im back to be the shortes guy on the team😳 #legend #HallOfFame

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:43 pm EST

$4.35 mill for 2 years

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:42 pm EST

Hospo: Yes really. With StL he had great numbers when he was on the number 1 PP and the second line. Their injured guys came back and he was moved down and his numbers fell off a cliff. He goes to BUF, does OK, but than as the team around him got worse he got worse. Goes to MIN and is not he 3rd line and doesn't get much going. He is a dependent player, he can't do it himself. With a good line he produces...I don't care how good a team is overall, The Rangers just had the most point int he NHL and the 4th line was not great...Stewart wouldn't be as good on the 4th line, put him with one of the Rangers top 2 lines and I bet he gets close to 20g and 20a and he would be involved with goals that he gets no statistical credit for as well.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:42 pm EST

MF - The only thing that matters is winning the Cup, I think you agree, where players need to motivate themselves and give 125% every shift And you want Stewart? He's the exact opposite of what the Rangers need for when it comes down to crunch time..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:37 pm EST

Hospo; I'm so Clueless that I forgot that I'm not a spokesman for the CJC.... That's pretty Clueless..... Can I buy a Vowel?

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:37 pm EST

WILD - C'mon, really?...He skunked with St; Louis and Minny, two good teams..He takes himslef out of games...ANd, most of all, I don't want a player that depends on other players to get moving and be good....I want a player that is good all by lonesome...Screw Stewart!

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:35 pm EST

43.9 per...wow...thats quite the deal LOL

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:34 pm EST

I doubt Stewart gets anything near that kind of money.. Drew Stafford re-upped with Win-A-Pig for 2 years at 43.9mill per.... Stafford had respectable #'s from the trade dealine on with the Jets...

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:31 pm EST

IMO if the MSL trade was the trade that broke Sathers back and got him transfered, it was his best trade.. ;-)

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:30 pm EST

I read a little BIO on Chris Stewart a while back.. Believe he grew up in a tough neighborhood with a brother & mom... If memory serves correctly, they worked hard for everything the acheived and are no strangers to the challenges that life throws our way... I see Stewart as a perfect 3rd & 4th line RW for us at this time.. Not only is he big & strong, the Hockey News has stated that he is an underated skater.. Me thinks that he is once again at a point where he has something to prove, and that we may be able to sign him short term (1-2 years) and cheap.. He is a RHS RW, and if he doesn't mind going to the net, he just may be able to bang in those non-highlight reel goals... Those are the goals that can really demoralize an opponent.... Stewart is something like 27.5 y/o, and unless we're getting both he and Ward on the cheap (man would that change the attitude & complexion (no pun there folks) of our roster, I'd side with Stewart.......... Hmmm, lets run with this a 2nd: Ward (RHS, big, strong, goes to the net) MZA, Miller, Stewart (RHS) all on the Right wing...... Nash, Kreider, Fast, Glass down the Left side....... Step, Brass, Hayes, Moore down the center.... Add in McIlrath as a 6th or 7th defender and you got yourself one tough Mutha Effin lineup..... Also, I noticed a considerable improvement in Glass' game once Sheppard came on board and helped with the heavier lifting, with a Chris Stewart on the 4th with Moore / Glass I think glass will be fine, and that line just may serve as a strong foundation...... Besides that, those two won't break the bank, but cap will still need to be cleared.... later folks......

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:26 pm EST

Wild: It certainly shouldn't hurt - year 1 (his draft year) he was the backup and as such, didn't get much action. Plenty of it last year, but behind a very strong team. I believe one of the knocks on him in his draft year was that he'd go into funks on the ice when things didn't go well for him, so one bad goal would led to another and another and there goes the game. Apparently, there was far less of that tendency last season, but that, arguably, is easier to accomplish when you're not being shell shocked. If that's all true, this could be a good test - as we all know and always hear, successful goalies all have the ability to let bad goals be bygone goals and sometimes as quickly as soon as they are facing the next shot.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:20 pm EST

RF4L: Read something to that effect a bit back...I am looking forward to seeing how he handles having a not so great team in front of him and having more pressure. Might be the best thing for him at least for a while.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:20 pm EST

So does the MSL trade go down as Sather's worse as a Ranger? If no, it's certainly up there for contention IMO.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:16 pm EST

Rhet: This year with the Greyhounds, Halverson is going to be backing a very different team. Last year at this time SSM was viewed as one of the OHL's favourites and they made a couple of top-up trades thru the season and when the POs started, were considered by many as the league's best. They didn't even make it to the final (ousted by McDavid's Eerie Otters). A bunch of players are graduating so Halverson will get considerably more action. Perhaps he'll be a blue chip trading asset for the Hounds and get to play for another strong team in his final junior year.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:15 pm EST

I would give him 2.5 for 1 year. Or better yet, give him 1, with another 1 if he hits 15 goals. 2 mil for a 15 goal guy is OK especially with his other attributes. And if he plays with someone with some skill he will get more goals and points.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:13 pm EST

Wild: Perhaps - let's see what he ends up signing for. He should get, at best, 1/2 of what he's asking. He shouldn't be, but he's a bottom 6 player of late. I see zero reason to give this guy even $3,000,000.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:11 pm EST

Hospo, you and I are on the same wave length this week...I just don't get Stewart.. I don't see the draw.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:10 pm EST

BTW, suspect MSL's decision came today because yesterday was probably the wake-up call he deserved., Unlike in NY where he was never benched and while 'demoted' to the 3rd line, still got regular minutes and first line PP duty, the offers he got yesterday were probably all about his declining abilities and lousy PO performance. No doubt it hurt when only a few teams called likely offering a low base salary with performance laded bonuses and ice time based on merit, not past exploits. As it should be with someone his age and very underwhelming run from about January on (where it hit an all time low in the POs). Better he retire than embarrass himself getting 4th line and pressbox minutes with a team like the Devils. Indeed a fabulous career sullied only by the ridiculous price an antiquated GM paid to get him (and he's partially to blame for that because he didn't come thru).

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:09 pm EST

RF4L: If Stewart is starting at what his last deal ended, I think its fair to say he is expecting to make less. If he wanted a raise or to stay at the same amount we would be heading he wants 5 mil per. So I imagine he will sign for less than that once he settles on a team....I imagine he has offers from a couple by now...probably lowball offers but offers.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:08 pm EST

Hospo: He needs to be with better players to get goals. He can't do it with lesser guys. Teams tend to put him on the 3rd line, and he isn't good for that. Its a risk, but again, he is number 2 on my current list of that type of player.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:05 pm EST

What I heard lately about MSL is that in Tampa he grew frustrated when kids who perceivable didn't work as hard as him got more icetime. He took it out on the kid(s). He really shouldn't have had similar issues in NY seeing as AV kept trotting him out shift after shift and he did nothing.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:03 pm EST

That's a rogue CJC vote for Stewart...Stewart, though big and strong is another player filled with inconsistincies and disappearances, especially in the POs..Last 14 PO games, ZERO goals ....we don't need that nor a player noted for it by almost everybody..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:03 pm EST

I heard the same thing about Stewart: $8,000,000 over 2 years which matches the deal he just finished. Meanwhile, during that ended deal he did very little to warrant it so there's nothing to warrant him being paid at the same rate. Go pound sand until you realize some reality. Then we'll talk!

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:02 pm EST

Brandon Halverson has signed his entry-level deal with the Rangers. Halverson has one more year of junior eligibility and is expected to contend for being the starter for Team USA at the World Juniors this Winter. Last season for Sault Ste. Marie, Halverson was 40-5-2 with a .913 save percentage and 2.63 GAA.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 2:00 pm EST

Voynov to plead no contest to misdemeanor count of corporal injury to a spouse and get three years probation, 90 days jailj.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:58 pm EST

For those here referencing our new GM possibly wanting to put his Stamp on the club, this could include a new head coach... hey hey, no stone left unturned.....

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:54 pm EST

1 CJC vote for Stewart......

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:35 pm EST

Wild thanks- If had a choice would take the chance on Stewart of the two he's obviously more risky performance wise but willing to stand up for teammates as well as play the game. Would like the versatility of a guy who can play center or wing as well if possible like Shepard Fehr, etc but don't see more than 1 more regular type being signed if any.

jim9k26


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:28 pm EST

WILD - Sure he can, and I don;t see it...

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:27 pm EST

Hospo: agreed on Ward v Stewart. I would put them as Ward first and Stewart second. And also depending on cost. If Ward wants 3.5 per for 3, and Stewart wants 2 for 1 I might go with the cheaper option....dont know that....

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:26 pm EST

Hospo: A player already not he roster can replace a guy production....it doesn't have to be a new player....

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:25 pm EST

RDW - Kinda different..Stewart take periods and games off and his calling care is his size and going to the net when he feels like playing (he can be real tough)....WARD is smaller but gives 100% every shoft..DOes a bit of everything but nothing great..Hits..goes to the net...PK...D...complimentary offense..Not fast but knows where to be psotionally which helps...He really is a Ranger type of player except for age .

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:23 pm EST

RDW: Stewart I think wants to prove himself again. Probably would sign a 1 year deal. I imagine he would choose a contender over anon contender even at less money because if he can get a deep playoff run and make a little noise he would hit UFA next year and get a big increase especially if the cap goes up nicely. This year so many teams are cap strapped that his options are evermore limited, and after being stuck on one of the worst teams in memory, his value is really low.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:22 pm EST

JFC - And as for MSL..despite his struggles late last year, the Rangers have nobody near ready to replace his inconsistent production...Just as they have no one to replace Hagelins's 150% effort two way game....YET......And I don't count Quickie because he was already slotted in...and even mistakenly played 2nd line...

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:20 pm EST

Wildcard: Seems Stewart and Ward are similar players, the latter is a few years older, however I'm wondering how many potential suitors they have left at this point. I'm guessing Ward, at his age, is going to want to go to a contender. Not sure about Stewart. Wouldn't mind having either of them for the right price. Either way we are going to have to trade someone to fit them in though

RDW


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:18 pm EST

JFC - Good thing he won't be playing with Stalberg and Etem!

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:16 pm EST

jim: fairly certain you will hear both ends of that argument within moments here! For me, I would say a good pick up depending on price and term. Cant go too long, can't go to expensive. But shorter term he would be useful, brings a net drive and some grit. His style would be infectious and get other guys going hard. Again, would all depend on term and cap hit.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:14 pm EST

May have been posted already - what do you all think? Not bad if worked out but not my pref Joel Ward and Rangers? Hearing Joel Ward and the Rangers..two other teams in this though. Montreal also in this. Source: Eklund Discuss | NYR Payroll

jim9k26


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:04 pm EST

Hospo -- the thing that put up a warning signal for me with MSL was the way the young guys who,rotated in and outbof playing with him universally described the "benefits" of playing with him.....stuff like "he knows how to playnthe game and DEMANDS that you get it right"....."he wants thengame played a certain way....I can learn so much from him". And that warning light in me went off before there was any mention of him having any kind of locker room resentment. He just seems like that kind of guy....he has busted his ass all his,life....he is a physical beast, his workouts are legendary, he stays late after practic, etc.....and probably doesn't have any patience for,any player who doesn't do the same....especially when they are blessed with physical gets he never had.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:03 pm EST

MSL is a guy who last year set up just as he had on the PP his entire career. He got the passes, and half the time he missed the net completely. The other half it seems most of the time he hit the post, the goalie made a great save, or it was deflected. Not sure if it was just "bad luck" or if it was something to do with his abilities dropping. In any case, he is a guy, who after he takes some time, that you could bring in as a PP consultant. He knows who to make a PP work even if his ability on the ice has gone away, he could still teach it. He wasn't doing anything amazing that other guys couldn't do. It was about finding a good spot and getting open. Maybe not anyone could do it as good as he could, but the basic premise is there for anyone. Wouldn't mind having him around for that in the future.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:02 pm EST

NN, looking at teams with Cap problems Hronquist or Backstrom would've been nice. Of course we cant afford them either or offer anything they need. Rebuilding teams Logan Couture or Hanzal (SJS or Coyotes resp) would be nice. FA list, looking at Mattias or of course Ward. Who we still cant afford....the latter two would be short term loaners of course....RF4L yeah, I think so - on Yandle

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:01 pm EST

JFC - Agreed on Yandle, he did what the good skilled players do in the POs..still kept their skill game but upped the snarl/intensity that isn't there in the regular season.

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 1:00 pm EST

PatrickDiv - Ward is a heart and soul player that does a little bit of everything and gives 125%..the opposite of the other recent aquisition..You would his game on the Rangers....Now, contract(years and terms) that's a whole nother story

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:59 pm EST

E -- I was very impressed by Yandle's playnafterbhe got healthy in the Pos. Besides his obvious skill with the puck, I was I pressed with his grit....he didn't back down from the rough stuff and his demeanor was very, very determined....he wanted to,win badly. Loved his attitude and grit and I did not expect that from him.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:58 pm EST

RHET - Strange things happen at the end of contracts and careers and where money is involved....Just look at Messier after the Cup! It's a business after all..nothing else....I don't begrudge MSL, Cally anything..The important issue is whether the new teamates like them...That's the part that caught me by surprise with MSL and not sure if I believe it..

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:55 pm EST

Glad to see MSL go out on a season that was not an embarrassment....he's retiring with dignity and with people,remembering him as a great player, not lamenting how he stayed too long and looked bad. He never backed down....when people said he couldn't do it, he did....over and over again. A proud warrior....put his heart and determination in Nash and you'd have an unstoppable player.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:55 pm EST

Ugh...that crap box Eklund "reporting" that there's some smoke around Ward and the NYR. Please God No!!

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:55 pm EST

Yandle is definitely worth $5-million. New York Rangers fans cannot judge his performance by a one month performance. He was outstanding in the TB series and was beginning to get his legs: I suspect outside of some defensive gaffes which is par for the course on a guy like that New York Rangers fans will realize this is not an average defenseman offensively. He can do things that no one else on the New York Rangers can do. But I don't know how much big money the New York Rangers are gonna wanna continue to throw at the defense. He'll get 5 easily on the open market unless he total craps the bed this season. And I don't think that'll happen.

E


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:53 pm EST

MSL's story is so bizarre. He was a beloved hero in Tampa, until he forced his way out over a perceived snub by his GM(if that's what really happened). Now those fans feel the same way about him that we do about Callahan. Two years later, he retires. Was it all worth it?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:41 pm EST

MSL - Great career and determination surpassed by no one, but it's time....

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:40 pm EST

Just poppin in, so how much money has Gorton thrown away on crap today?......MF - Since when do you speak for the CJC?

Hospo


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:37 pm EST

Andrew Gross ..... Marty St. Louis announces his retirement. Makes announcement in statement released by Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:25 pm EST

WIOSA: Yandle is definitely worth it...but as RF4L stated, do the Rangers want him at that price point?

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:23 pm EST

course at least one person thinks he will be lucky to get 2 for 1 year...I would give him 2-2.5 for 1 year....put him with a good center, he has always done well with other good players, when he is put with lower players his productions drops off like a stone, he needs to eb with guys who can make him better.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:21 pm EST

Rumors that Stewart wants a 2 year 8 mil deal. I would like him on the wing with his size and strength...but 4 mil might be a bit rich for my liking.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:15 pm EST

jkropp have you seen the prices these guys are commanding lately? I think Yandle is def worth it.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:13 pm EST

RF4L: I get that Idea....maybe they already have spoken to him about it some, and thats why they haven't moved him. I mean, something we dotty know about Yandle...what is more important, more money, or more stability? If I was in charge I would say You want 7 mil...there you go, you want a modified NTC/NMC for X number of years of the deal, it will cost you 1 mil per" or something like that. If he is more concerned with having some control over his future like Nash has with a list of teams, than he is with making the most money possible, he may decide to take a little less. Stallman had a desire to have a NMC for family reasons, the Rangers didn't want to do that, for him for as long as he wanted and that was part of why he is gone, so its not unheard of for guys to have that higher on their list than $$$ If Yandle cares little and cares little that he could be traded to a team that just bottomed out like the Oilers after 2 years of a new deal, than he will want bigger money. With out that intimate knowledge its hard to guess what he will do. Lets hope that the Rangers brass has already at least chatted with his agent.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:12 pm EST

NN, your guess is as good as mine. We cant afford anyone in a trade with rebuilding team, and there was nobody in the FA list that rocked my world.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:06 pm EST

Yes, that's possible, too, but do you really want Keith Yandle at that price point? If so, he'd better be on the top pairing (meaning he'd better have a fabulous season). Also, next year's cap won't be officially known until after the deadline so you'll be taking a risk one way or another (sign him too soon and the cap doesn't rise and yikes; wait too long - re after the season when the cap number is firmer - and he may just elect to become an UFA). For me, you start contract talks with him soon to get an appreciation of his intentions and if it's to max out, you move him by the deadline regardless of how well he and the team is doing. If both are doing well the plus is that you'll get more for him. With that in mind, I think the sooner you get a feel for his thoughts, the better and if it's to max out, shop him now.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:05 pm EST

Sather screwed the pooch on this by signing Boyle and giving him a NTC. Boyle was supposed to fix the PP and the fact that they traded for Yandle means that the trade was a FAILURE and the money being given to Boyle is a gigantic, unnecessary hit to the cap.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:02 pm EST

I have posted before that if the Rangers keep Yandle....and at his current cheap cap hit, it's very likely.....and he starts off knowing the system, being comfortable and playing like he did when he got healthy in the POs, then there is no way the Rangers trade him at the deadline....they'd be damaging their Cup,chances by doing so. You can add this into the equation too: Gorton now has a built-in excuse if he decides to keep Yandle,and then loses him for nothing as a UFA after the Rangers gave up a BIG bounty to get him....IT WASNT HIS DEAL, IT WAS SATHERS.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:00 pm EST

RF4L: Option 4: and this one is out of just about everyones hands. The Cap goes up by 4 mil before the 5% kicker than the cap would be a hair over 79 mil. If we can be that lucky than Yandle will probably still look for the same amount...7 mil, and it would be doable, because in that case the Rangers would have like 23-24 mil to sign the players that they had to...and if they are close to a cup he may want to stay bad enough to save the Rangers 250-500K so 6.5-6.75 even if he is looking for big money. If they win the cup, he will bounce for the max he can get of course. But again, that option has so much thats out of everyones control.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:58 am EST

WIOSA: I see you keep mentioning this TOP 6 POWER FORWARD, who can win faceoffs...who exactly is the player your are targetting??

DOUBLEN


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:55 am EST

jkopp: Who would you take on your backline Yandle vs Mike Green?

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:54 am EST

YANDLE is not worth 5mil...

jkropp


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:54 am EST

VIC: Few 4th line players have 14 min of ice per game and a 4th line grinder rarely gets 13g and 13a. He was 6th in goals on the Kings (ahead of Brown BTW) 9th in team scoring and 7th among forwards.he was 8th in F ice time just behind the 7th most player who had a full minute more PP time. He is a 3rd line guy...and that is enough to bring something missing to the Rangers. He reminds me in a lot of ways of Boyle, big guy who isn't really aggressive, OK skater but not great or maybe not very good, but good enough, uses his strength to hold guys off, hard working. The big difference is the lack of PK ability...but thats OK the Rangers have quite a few PK guys even with Hags gone so thats not too concerning. But in 13-14 he did have to SHG so clearly he can play that role some. I think he is the type of player the Rangers need to add, and to do that it will mean a trade most likely, and you trade for your strength, and that strength is D, and Klein is the best option to move off of the D.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:50 am EST

Ops...as Vic so eloquently puts it...

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:49 am EST

Totally concur Yandle could and would get $7,000,000+ on the open market if that's what his desire is. And it is, then the Rangers won't be resigning him (unless something unforeseen like trading Nash or the King for picks/prospects happens, which it won't). So, it'll likely come down to 1 of 3 things: 1) Yandle plays the entire year and becomes an UFA this time next year 2) Yandle is moved by the deadline 3) Yandle takes one of Wildcard's hometown discounts and resigns for something like $6,000,000. As so eloquently puts it, option 1 is bad for the Rangers and at this point it's probably fair to say no one knows if option 3 is something he'd consider. What is Gorton thinking, I wonder. A good GM would be thinking about this already and if 3 seems unlikely, would be exploring the trade market now. That isn't to say a trade has to happen now, but it behooves Gorton to gauge the market now and then continually revisit it to market whether it's rising or falling. There's certainly got to be a market for him given his skillset and cap hit - would that market be at its highest right now (re before the season so the buyer gets the player for 82 games)? I would think so, although the market itself may be smaller because of the lack of injuries playing a part, not to mention team play, where they are in the standings and who is and isn't playing well.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:46 am EST

Vic you make a very good argument against moving him. I think I felt he was more expendable due to the fact that our D was still rockin and rollin in his absence. Although his replacement was Hunwick, who has moved on. I think we're looking at a glut in D, if Skjei and Mcillrath were to come up, and that made one our D available in a package with Cam. That said I would've preferred Staal, but he just got a nmc. Also, the other half of that package went alone. Therefore it is Klein on his own, who I doubt is going to net us that top 6 power forward.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:39 am EST

WILDCARD: I don't see how adding a 4th line grinder adds enough to the Rangers to overcome what they subtract when they lose KK. That would be a move that would make this team weaker.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:35 am EST

The other comment that I have is regarding YANDLE. I've made these arguments before but I think it bears repeating. I cannot see how the Rangers could even contemplate for second the thought of moving forward into the season without YANDLE either signed to an extension or dealt. The consequences for not doing one of those two things is potentially devastating to this team and I'm not being overly dramatic. There is no way the Rangers can let him walk at the end of the year. Doing so is suicidally stupid management when you consider his value in the market and the enormous price the Rangers paid to trade for him. Trading YANDLE at the deadline would damage this team's playoff chances this coming year. You don't easily carry on with the loss of an important PP contributor and offensive player on your roster. Losing MZA in the playoffs hurt. Losing YANDLE at the deadline would be about the same as so much of what the team will be building relies on YANDLE being a big contributor this year. So, you ether need to resign him now or move him now. And if you resign him now are you ready to pay $7 or $8 Mil a year for him? Seeing what other stiffs got in UFA deals this year one would have to think that YANDLE would go for that or more.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:33 am EST

VIC they need some size and grit on wing. You trade KK to get that. I suggested the Kings who really need D bad. And go get King from them as part of the return. They need NEED D so they will have to overpay a little and they know it. It allows the Rangers to bring in a wing and still have cap space. That's why you do it.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:33 am EST

Viktor Stalberg said that he loves New York City and it has always been a dream of his to play for the Rangers. (Aftonbladet) He said that the Rangers are a good team and he will have a chance to win another Stanley Cup. (Aftonbladet) Stalberg won a Stanley Cup with the Blackhawks in 2013, where he had 3 assists in 19 games. He said that he has had to deal with a lot of “injuries and bad timing” the past couple of years but is hoping for a “fresh start” with the Rangers. (Aftonbladet) Stalberg said that he has spoken with Henrik Lundqvist a little bit and both think it will be a good fit. (Aftonbladet)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:29 am EST

RF4L: Well if McIlrath is doing well the 2nd and 3rd pair will get equal 5v5 ice. A big chunk of Yandles ice time came on the PP in ARZ for instance in 2013-14 he had just under 4 and a half minutes per game on the PP to go along with 19 5v5. So he would get less but not a ton less if the top pair got 20ish and the bottom two pairs played equal amounts it would be 20ish each...but with pp pk time screwing things up McIlrath would end up with 13-14 Yandle with 22 or so Staal the same. Boyle slightly less. McD and Giradi that 22 area. And it would keep the lefties and righties on the sides AV likes to use them best.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:28 am EST

Two things I have to add to the discussion this morning. First is that this talk of moving KK is foolish IMHO and I can simply state my case as to why. KK doesn't make a large amount of money for a very solid veteran defenseman. Moving KK doesn't save you much money against the Cap. Further, moving KK leaves you with a big hole in your D corps and you have nobody in your system that can step in and give you what KK did. Sure, BIG MAC may get a chance with the team this year but he doesn't replace the level of play that KK was giving the Rangers in both ends. Further, you aren't going to be able to go out and sign a UFA who can play at that level who is even half the cost against the Cap as KK. And if you are dealing KK for another veteran defender who is as good or better then KK why would the other team want to trade that player unless it is because that player has a high Cap hit that his team wants to get rid of.....which of course doesn't make sense for the Rangers as the reason people are talking about moving KK is to free up Cap space. So why do we want to trade KK? There isn't any scenario that I can see for doing so that would help the Rangers to get better now and in the future. Unless, we are talking about packaging KK with either NASH or STEPAN. But with HAGS gone the Rangers have already weakened themselves defensively. Losing NASH or STEPAN means losing another key defender, not to mention what the loss of KK would do.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:25 am EST

Potential contract cost aside, the single biggest issue with Jonas Gustavsson is his inability to stay healthy. Those 2 injuries Rhet listed are the norm for him it seems. Decent goalie and if he could stay healthy a viable backup. Huge if, though...

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:23 am EST

TD: Yeah, that is poor asset management for sure. Not that I'm lamenting the loss of Thomas too much. I kinda knew where he was headed when I saw him in that Traverse City tourney (when MSG broadcasted the games) and I posted on here about how given his size and apparent inability to produce without making himself vulnerable his NHL career wasn't exactly bright.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:20 am EST

E: Pure speculation on my part - I've no idea the man's character. Going for that sort of money would be greedy indeed, but it's within his rights, especially if he has a strong season. What a conundrum for the Rangers: The better he plays, the better it is for the team but less likely he'll be back for the 16/17 season. IMO, coughing a 1st, 2nd and prized prospect for a player who last a season and a quarter, unless you win a cup, is sheer lunacy.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:18 am EST

Wild: For your D pairings, I'd rather see Yandle on the 2nd pairing with Staal. He needs more icetime I think (or so so many experts are saying, given he played up to 24 minutes a night with the Yotes). Mind you, Boyle and McI is somewhat scary - didn't poor McI get saddled too many games last year with Bodie, who sounds a little like Boyle, albeit at the AHL level.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:18 am EST

PatrickDiv.... That was said by Larry Brooks and he has no idea what he is talking about. I guarantee you that they will not be playing on their qualifying offers.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:13 am EST

7-million? Eegads... Hope you enjoyed your stay in NY. Personally, I cannot even see a world where the team adds yet another max contract on the blue line. But I do think that there is a decent chance that Yandle will show himself worthy of such a contract.

E


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:11 am EST

Conor Allen 2-way deal w/Preds

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 2 2015 10:26 am EST

well wait, Glass would be moved in that scenario...never mind...so if King was acquired as part of the return for Klein, than he would be come the 4th line LW, and that is a big improvement not he 4th line. The 4th line would end up something like King-Moore-Stahlberg, or Fast. SO lets say that deal was struck. you would have lines that looked something like (at least right now and if all the signings happen as planned) Nash-Brass-Zucc, Greider-Step-Miller, Etem-Hayes-Fast, King-Moore-Stahlberg. You would have Lindberg not making it, and Bourque as the spare perhaps. Maybe Moore gets moved for Lindberg? On D you would have the top pair of McD-Giradi, Staal-Boyle (better Dman with a poor D man) and lastly Yandle-McIlrath. With Yandle getting heavy PP time. If McIlrath wasn't out of place the second and third pairs could get just about equal time 5 on 5 unless PP and PK get involved. Staal does PK work, Boyle and Yandle get PP work. That would leave the kid with the least ice time...and thats OK. Some questions still of course...but not a terrible roster there. Now if you got King and Stewart...well bump Bourque off the roster to Hartford. Put Stahlberg as the 13th. Stewart next to Step with Kreider. Miller next to Hayes, and Fast not he 4th line. Even better. All wishful thinking and armchair GMing...but its fun right.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 10:24 am EST

Well here's one for RF4L's great book of Sather: Rangers draft Christian THOMAS in the second round, play him a year and then move home or Danny KRISTO, who they keep for two and then let go to UFA'dom. He just signed a two-way with the Blues. Rangers get zilch.

tdchi


Thu Jul 2 2015 10:15 am EST

P-DIV: Moving Klein would free up more space. Could go after Stewart. Subtract about 1 mil for McIlrath to be added, so 5.7 mil give or take. Add Stewart, see if he will do a 1 year deal for 3 mil, he may be loking for more than that. Would give him 2 years 3 mil per, or maybe even 3 years 3 mil per. But with NO NMC/NTC need to be able to move him if needed if he signs more than 1 year. Part of the return for Klein I would want to send him to the kings for King, LW with size. 1.95 mil. You would still have space left over. The only "issue" would be fitting everyone in the lineup. That would bump a kid off the roster most likely...and I don't know if thats good or not. Likely it would be one or the other Srewart or King. Well, I guess you could bump Glass....instead of a kid of course.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:54 am EST

The Rangers were considering free agents Jonas Gustavsson as well as Viktor Fasth as potential backup goalies to Henrik Lundqvist after the trade of Cam Talbot. (Edmonton Journal) The Rangers acquired Antti Raanta on Saturday from Chicago to back up Lundqvist in exchange for prospect Ryan Haggerty. Raanta’s cap hit of $750,000 is about half of Cam Talbots. Jim Matheson says that Gustavsson would have been a more expensive option than Raanta. Gustavsson played last year on a one-year contract worth $1.85 million but only played 7 game this season after separating his shoulder in November and then suffering a concussion in March. Fasth was finishing a two-year deal worth $2.9 million per season and was 6-15-3 in 26 games with a 3.41 GAA and .888 save percentage.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:44 am EST

If they can find a new home for Glass ($1.5M) and potentially move a D (KK ~$3M) combined with the $2.2M leaves us with ~$6.7M to play with. With that we may actually have a hope of addressing our need for some size/grit and scoring up front. Stewart on a "Pouliot" and Eric Fehr possibly. Still hoping we might pry Yakupov away from EDM...

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:43 am EST

On the TSN Free Agent show yesterday, they mentioned that Toronto is actively shopping Bozak and that he wouldn't bring back more than a 2nd rounder. I think packaging the 2nd and Glass fo Bozak would be the right move for the Rangers. He's a good two-way player and would be a solid 3rd center. Kreider-Stepan-Nash, Miller-Brassard-Zuccarello, Hayes-Bozak-Etem, Stalberg/Moore-Lindberg-Fast.

evets1980


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:38 am EST

From SNY Blog: With the Rangers signings of Viktor Stalberg and Rapheal Diaz yesterday, the Rangers have about $10.8 million in cap space. (Hockey’s Cap) The Rangers still need to sign Derek Stepan, Jesper Fast, Emerson Etem and JT Miller to fill out their regular group of forwards. Stepan is expected to command upwards of $6 million while it’s been said that Miller ($874,130), Etem ($850,500) and Fast ($850,500) will all end up playing on their qualifying offers. With those four players signed at those numbers the Rangers would have $2.2 million in cap space. (Hockey’s Cap)

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:36 am EST

If both Brass & Step are kept (which I think they will) moving Hayes to the wing makes the most sense. It opens up a spot for Lindberg and places Hayes in the spot he looks best in, controlling the puck and making playes along the boards. In terms of trading with EDM, they will not need a Center. Even with the signing of Sekera and the trade for Reinhart (assuming he makes the squad)they can still use a steady top 4 Dman but at this point the deal may/ may not force us to take something back as they now have a glut of Dmen. Albeit most of them are shite (Schultz, Ference, and Nikitin) and they will likely need to make room in their top 6 for Nurse who should make the squad next yr so not as much of a great fit as it was prior to the draft. I believe as someone pointed out yesterday that had Gorton manned the helm instead of Sather, we'd had had a package deal of Talbot and a Dman for picks and a roster player.

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:36 am EST

I prefer Sharp. More experience, won 3 cups. Wouldn't mind signing Erik Cole to a 1 yr deal either.

Higgy21


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:30 am EST

BTW, FWIW, Darren Dreger tweeted that the Rangers have no intention of moving Yandle - they view him as an integral part of their blueline for the upcoming season. That makes sense given what they coughed up to get him. Now come the deadline, their position might change, especially if contract talks are suggesting Yandle wants $7,000,000 per.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:17 am EST

WIOSA: I mentioned him few times. All depends on a couple things. 1- What of Hayes W or C? 2-What of Lindberg? If they want Hayes at C than there isn't room for a UFA C, if they se Lindberg ready for the NHL and they want Hayes at C than Moore is the odd man out and there is no room for him let alone another C. If they see Hayes on win and Lindberg ready they might be able to bring in a UFA C and move Moore. But it would need to be an upgrade. But if they do bring in a C I think Matthias might be a good fit.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:15 am EST

WIOSA -- if we had Joel Ward on our 4th line, it would instantly be transformed into a dangerous unit. Moore would have someone who consistently goes to the net and he would find him. When you have a guy like Ward on the line, every player on the ice has an option of throwing the puck on goal, knowing that Ward will either be there or go there for a rebound. Our 4th line this season was not nearly as good as it was 2 seasons ago and it contributed mightily to,our failure. Ward would change that overnight. I agree with you, however, that 4 years is a non-starter. I'd go after him with a 2 year contract with a NMC.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:12 am EST

JFC, hear, hear. Only whatever is left for the taking in FA is 'loaner material' for the Cup run this season. Freeing up Cap space and not signing long term killer contracts will enable Gorton (love the Seuss reference BTW) to put his stamp on this team. Just MHO

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:11 am EST

Wild -- that's a pretty simple question....the MSL we need to replace is the one who contributed in the POs 2 years ago, not the one who looked a 1/2 step behind every play and shanked nearly every gimme goal that was put on his tape.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 9:08 am EST

tdchi/all -- in looking at what has transpired since the weekend, my opinion is based on my looking at the big picture, as we all should be....and by then big picture I mean The Cup. When I see the Rangers seemingly flailing, going backwards in terms of experienced playoff performers or, at best, staying stagnant in terms of overall talent, I do not compare them to what other teams are doing in the Metro or Atlantic or East, I am talking about the entire NHL. With what we have accomplished in the last 4 years, our flaws are apparent and they have not been addressed yet. We're going to have to be the best team in the NHL to win, not just the East. Other teams are making moves and have gotten better, we have not. We have a new GM who is going to want to put his stamp on this team....what's it going to look like? Gorton looks like a bruiser....does his face bely what he wants to add to this team? I hope so, because we need players who can get through the PO morass of obstruction and we don't have them yet. For the time being, we have regressed. I don't think it will be long before Gorton Hears a Who and goes and gets him.....top 6 forward (possibly borderline top 6 like Bozak) who can add some grit and goes to the dirty areas of the ice. I can't believe he's not chomping at the bit to make a STATEMENT trade that tells the NHL that this is HIS team now.

JFC31


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:56 am EST

just musing...what about Shawn Mattias? (van)

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:48 am EST

...Ward is still tempting. If the man would go for 2.5 for 2 I say do it. Pipe dreams of course. If he was going to do that the Caps would resign him

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:47 am EST

RF4L: that was the point of my post. Early on MSL was on a 35 goal 80+ point pace. Later he was clearly not due to injuries or age or will or whatever but the question needs to be what MSL do they need to replace.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:46 am EST

RF4L you threw in Hayes at the last minute, but I assume when you say the latter is your concern you mean Miller. All of our forwards started going dormant - right before the playoffs, remember? Not sure what that was, but it continued in the playoffs. Was this Millers first po? Cant remember and Im too lazy to stop this post (new tab - nyrangers, player stats etc) . I do think Miller has what it takes...I think he will improve, Fast I think was steadily improving. I have faith that we'll get more numbers out of our youth, but I counted on that before losing Hags and was still looking for more offensive output even before the draft. As for the other, I truly don't want to deal Stepan...or Nash. I really only wanted to tweak this team and then go for it again. A whole new cast of characters is questionable...although they do have the season to acclimate. Still, I like this team, we needed some input, we need a slight output (MSL) and a little grit. Hope we get the grit on D from either Skjei or Mcillrath. Just my thoughts.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:45 am EST

Rich Chere ‏....... Devils defenseman John Moore will speak to the media at 11 a.m.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:14 am EST

MF neither do I . Im not sure where that will come from either. I posted at the end of last season we needed a power forward, (preferably one that can take face offs) and a bruising stay at home dman. We might get the latter from our farm, I don't know where we are getting the former. Wouldve been nice if it had been Kreider....but I count on him growing the least out of all our youth....VIC, thanks.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:08 am EST

TDCHI: Good morning to you sir. Yes, are not seeing vast improvement so far (on paper that is, the ice is another story) but let's not forget that our team, the Rangers are lumped right in that sampling.. As for the balance of power being swayed or tipped in a direction, we're damn near the top of the East isn't the objective to extend our lead while preparing for a playoff run? I certainly believe so...when analysing who signed where, one of my first thoughts are how that player could have impacted our roster... What that player is going to do for the team that signed him is usually an after-thought , at least for me... We needed and still do a top 3 or at least a top six talent... This is based on what we've seen from our squad last year and certainly doesn't count on a breakout year by CK, HAYES, MILLER, FAST, etc... I don't see any game changers in the list of names we acquired, does anyone here?

mf


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:07 am EST

WIOSA: Great post at 7:19am. Captured my thoughts on both subjects as well.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:07 am EST

Thoughts on this (and I'm just musing here based on something I heard about Tyler Bozak being available for a 2nd round pick): Would anyone entertain the notion of trading Stepan and KK to Edmonton for Drais and the Oiler's first rounder next year, then get Bozak from the Leafs for next year's 2nd rounder? Bozak is a very good 2 way center who's strong on the FOs and would slide into the number 2 spot and probably perform quite well (I think he's under-rated due to the hellish state of the Toronto Maple Leafs). Depending on the team's plans for Lindberg, Hayes could move to wing or keep his 3rd line center position. Drai, unless he wows at camp, gets farmed out to hone his craft for a year in Hartford. Thoughts?

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 8:03 am EST

WIOSA: Most of MSL's regular season points came before January, save for a 2 week run in late winter where it looked like he was finding his game again. I am hoping Kreider steps up his game and I think it's reasonable to project better numbers from Miller, too. To me of those 2 and Hayes, it's the latter I'm a little concerned about. I'm not predicting this, but a sophomore slump wouldn't be out of the norm. He was very very good in the 2nd half of the regular season, but save for some spots here and there, quite average (at best) for the POs and that contributed IMO to the Rangers offensive doldrums in so many PO games - they were getting 3rd line offense (led by Hayes) from January to April, then it dried up in the post season. I've posted on here numerous times musing about trading Brassard or Stepan with the notion that Hayes would step in the replace who's moved. Risky business if he does slump this year.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:59 am EST

I do not miss MSL, I posted several times that I could not figure out the mans game. With our without the puck. Unlike Boyle, who many hate, MSL was confusing me. All over the ice, nowhere near a set for score or rebounds, not sure wth he was doing. So I do not miss him. I am talking about his points.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:58 am EST

Regarding yesterday's underwhelming UFA signings - exactly what was expected (or should have been) given the lack of cap room. That said, I am concerned that the 2 bigger reasons the Rangers were ousted from the POs remain unaddressed IMO - lack of grit and the need for another top 6 forward to compliment/take the pressure off of Nash. If McI makes the team then some of the former is automatically addressed, although I think it's worrisome that Tanner Glass is the only forward with effective size and grit (I love that side of MZA's game but he's too small to be anything more than a bothersome gnat most of the time in that regard). Another regular with size and a physical edge who can play in the top 9 would be nice. Zach Kassian, if he wasn't such a head case, is precisely the kind of player I'm thinking about.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:57 am EST

Wild the MSL whose numbers got us to the playoffs...??? What did you think I was talking about?

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:56 am EST

...should've said Caps..

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:52 am EST

The Rangers got to the final 4 without a non-producing MSL, even tho MSL got regular shifts and first PP duty. Etem alone will produce better (than a single goal in 19 games) I suspect. I concur he's easily replacement (and that replacement won't be coming in at $5,250,000. Good riddance.

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:50 am EST

I, too, am a little confused by the EE dislike, although in saying that I will readily admit I've not seen him much. I like what I read about him in terms of skillset and I am finding it hard to ignore the fact that he scored 61 goals in his last 65 junior games. Is there an offensive game in him waiting to be (re)discovered? Wouldn't that be nice...wouldn't it be funny if he ends up out-scoring Hagelin this year?

RF4L


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:41 am EST

WIOSA: islanders played the Caps. DET played TBL.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:41 am EST

And what MSL are we replacing? The Rangers were a very good team after he stopped producing at the rate he was early in the season. So do we need his full season production or just that of the late season when the Rangers were still winning a lot.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:39 am EST

WIOSA: so I do give credit to the young Islanders and have said they will be better. So will the Rangers young guys. Know what that's called. A wash. I'm as worried about them as last year at least up front. On D? They are a year older for their old guys. In net? Halak needs to prove he can do what he did to start last season and keep it up all season. Don't forget he had career high numbers across the board until about 2/3 of the way through sand ended up with some numbers below his average...he collapsed...he did however have much better numbers in the post season. But again if he regresses to his career average for the year they will not be a better team even with improved young players.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:34 am EST

when opening night comes, maybe the nyr will be improved. until such time, there is no way to tell who will be there and who will replace msl and hagelin's production......

stevielegs


Thu Jul 2 2015 7:19 am EST

TD/E ...in regards to Etem, I posted this before, and not sure to whom (getting severe case of old timers) but I am not comparing Apples to Apples with the Hags/Etem deal...or Hags/Fill in the Blank deal. I was comparing Apples to Oranges. I want a roster player ,not a promising prospect. We can discuss Hagelin at 23 to Fill-in-the-blank at 23 ad nausea, that is not the issue for me, or for JFC. We are going for a cup run. We lost MSL, and Hags points, (we needed some additional PLAYOFF points and grit to being with ) who is making up these points? Etem? I don't think so. THAT is what upset me about the Blue man (his first tweet upon hearing about the trade was 'Im psyched, I love that blue'. ). TD, the credit you give to our young guys for maturing and adding more to our roster next year? Give the same credit to the young guys on the CBJ and the Islanders. NOW you will know what we are worried about when it comes to competition in the East...especially the Isles. They took the Bolts to game 7. Just MHO

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:40 am EST

JFC - Which teams in the Metro are you seeing getting that much better? The Devils added MOORE and PALMIERI...not exactly a great improvement...Flyers added GAGNER, but are essentially the same team...Caps add CHORNEY and WILLIAMS, but lose GREEN and WARD...Pens add KESSEL, which looks good on the surface until you realize they're going to look like an ECHL team from the third line down...Canes' added WISENIEWSKI...meh...And maybe they get some production out of HANIFAN....The Islanders added GRIESS, but are again, essentially unchanged...The only team that made a huge splash was the Jackets, who really shored up their top six with SAAD, their bottom six with CAMPBELL and now have a tough-as-nails lineup I wouldn't want to face...but really, the Metro, IMO, hasn't changed appreciably. So far, the only team of the eight I expect to join the PO race are the Jackets...things get a little murkier in the Atlantic, where I DO think the Sabres are markedly improved...all-around, but will still struggle to get to the post-season...The Bruins won't make the playoffs...no way, no how...Leafs in a full-rebuild...Panthers added Reilly SMITH...they'll struggle to make the post-season...Tampa is the same Tampa...added CONDRA...Sens are the same Sens...Canadiens added KASSIAN...and actually, perhaps the MOST quietly improved team is the Wings, who added GREEN and RICHARDS and essentially cut dead weight...so again, I'm not seeing where the rest of the East has suddenly become this powerhouse...despite a few blockbuster trades...two which weakened Boston, one that may or may not improve the Pens(sorry, not jumping on that bandwagon the media is riding), one that improves the Jackets, and another that improves the Sabres...not seeing where the balance of power has shifted...like hipcheck keeps saying: Our strength is our core, which has remained unchanged for the past four years and continues to keep us close to the cup. The doom and gloom seems much ado about nothing, especially when you consider the steep upward development curve guys like MILLER, FAST and HAYES all took last season.

tdchi


Thu Jul 2 2015 6:19 am EST

E - Whether or not people care to admit it, I'd say about 90 percent of the ETEM criticism written here is based solely on the displeasure with HAGELIN going the other way and the expectation that he'd at least be packaged for a star quality player. I can't say I've seen A LOT of Etem, but enough to know he's not a stiff...he seems to fit the Rangers' mold, which is sort of this tough, grinding player with skill...yet another USNTDP graduate to join a host of others(MILLER, HAYES, KREIDER, STEPAN)Will he be a star? Probably not. But he's a kid who just turned 23...he's built like a brick sit house...brings more size and toughness to the lineup...AND will, for at least the next season, cost at least a third of what Hags did.

tdchi


Thu Jul 2 2015 12:06 am EST

E - I hope you are correct on Etem...From what I have seen of him and been told by Duck fans, I'd rather have nothing to do with him right now.But,.Obviously he has youth and skill going for him, so perhaps you will be correct..We have no other choice but to hope so...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:50 pm EST

Personally, I think some people are underrating Etem based on conjecture. He is certainly not a future superstar by any stretch but when I've seen him, he's not a stiff either. He's a serviceable player. Definitely could be an NHL regular on many squads. My favorite Ducks fan gave me his insight on him. Basically, Boudreau did not really like him. And given that he solidified his top-6 and he had several options on the bottom-6 of quality Etem just didn't seem to be able to find a roster spot that he belonged. He thinks Etem is actually has some good upside. Told me that he skates well, and told me that Etem is actually not soft in the least. That he will finish his checks and he will get feisty at times. He did say, that he is strong. He thought that he wouldn't be surprised if Etem was a good fit with the New York Rangers. Thinks he needed to get a new start. So we'll see. I admittedly have seen him a couple times play live and haven't paid all that much attention to him. Its kind of hard to make an impression on my eyes when all around you is Kesler, Getzlaf, Fowler etc... A lot of guys on the Ducks bench look invisible when you see that. But the kid is also 23 and what 3-seasons into a professional career? Best days I'm sure are yet to come.

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:45 pm EST

Very good signing by the Caps in Williams...Vermette Back to AZ? His inital poor play in CHi and this team friendly singing shows the "family" factor for some players..I appluad it....And, hey, he go a Cup!...........As for the Rangers...Can we please trade Nash or Stepan? On second thought, given the talent and need evaluation shown by the new GM today., maybe we should just quit while we're behind? Stalberg, I still can't believe it..Catatrophic moves? no..But a horrible way to start

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:35 pm EST

I think Kessel would have rubbed the pilots thighs out if it meant getting off of the ground and out of TO quicker.

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:05 pm EST

JFC... Yeah, I should have mentioned that I do agree with you that we wont be trading any of those guys. At least not for the next few years. Klein on the other hand....

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:59 pm EST

good points gents.... makes a case for asking Boyle if he'll accept a trade somewhere because, who cares if his feelings are hurt? He's got one year left here at most...

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:55 pm EST

Rhet -- the Rangers won't even ask....it's a no-win situation. With one word: NO, Staal risks nothing, there are absolutely no,repercussions on his ice time, his salary or anything else except his disillusionment with a team that just insulted him. One word...NO...and the Rangers have just hurt themselves as a TEAM....in the locker room and in the perception of team management by the players. Do,you really think Staal gives a damn about saying, "no" if his wife and family say they want to stay? Yes, NMC is all about controlling your future.....that's exactly the leverage he has to say NO....pretty clear illustration of controlling one's future I'd say.

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:52 pm EST

In Honor of Glenn Sather moving along.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBjKpBrCHas

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:49 pm EST

RF: Kessel? Not really. Makes too much dough. But it just seems we overrate our guys and rip others that have some abilities also. I mean I don't sneeze at Kessel's ability to score for instance. And the Wall kind of rips Saad and weeps at losing Hags. Etem? Stiff. We've seen him like five times. 22 years old, ups and downs, but already useless.

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:48 pm EST

Ryan Gropp said he wants to prove he is worth the trade. He believes his speed game "fits perfectly with how Coach Vigneault likes to play" .....Clark was particularly impressed with #NYR 2nd round pick @Gropper8: "his speed and skill is up there with the top 10 picks in the draft"....Gordie Clark compared the skill & speed of 2015 #NYR draft picks Gropp, Kovacs, Bernhardt to 2013 picks Duclair, Buchnevich, Tambellini ......TD......I have to agree, Oksanen to me is an important get for this team. We sign him it puts a nice cherry on the top of our draft this season ....JFC.... Have to disagree. NMC/NTC are so players can have a say in their future, in where they end up. Guys don't want to play for teams that no longer want them.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:31 pm EST

Didn't Staal just sign a contract with a NMC? Why do you think he did that....so he could uproot his family and move? NMCs for,family guys are all about STABILITY.....the stability of his family, especially children who he would not want to tear away from their home and friends.

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:28 pm EST

It'll speak volumes about what is APPROACH/philosophy is....

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:27 pm EST

Interesting day....new GM Gorton has a lot of catching up to do a she better figure it out, especially the cap situation which has this club looking like itbismflailing while other teams are getting better. Something g has got to give and it's gonna be sooner rather than later, I hope....I can't imagine any new GM would want to be hamstrung in implementing his vision and placing his personal STAMP on this team by the cap hell that is hanging over his head. He is going to want to get that straightened out so he can have room to maneuver and the only way he is going to be able to do it is make a couple of trades. We'll see what he comes up with and who he gets. It'll speak volumes about what his a Preach/philosophy for,this team will be IMO....first impressions are lasting ones. Let's hope today isn't the REAL 1st impression!

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:23 pm EST

Eberle, like sharp is a RHS....

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:22 pm EST

Higgs: Sharp may accept, don't know about Staal... Then again, if we're going to move Staal, to we want to target someone besides Sharp? ie: Eberle who is signed for 4 more years at $6mm per, and is 25 years young compared to the 33 y/o Sharp....

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:12 pm EST

Double anchovies ... Triple for a hat trick

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:07 pm EST

I say Staal for Sharp. Same dollar amounts, they would both obviously accept the trade, we need offense, they need defense, and then we promote McIlrath. It seems like Vancouvers GM is giving everybody away, Chris Higgins anyone?

Higgy21


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:06 pm EST

I wanted Ward, but not for 4 years....2 years

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:05 pm EST

Pens have $6 million to sign at least four forwards and a backup goalie just to have enough players to have four lines, three D pairings and two goalies. Forget keeping someone in the stands...no money for a 13th forward or seventh defenseman.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:02 pm EST

Like Ward- good around the net on the boards, but would like more speed and bit more bite and would guess rangers are pretty much done unless something falls in their lap and/or move some guys. Still lot of guys out there that might be more affordable and bring something as vets, Bergenheim, Glencross, Paille, Brodziak, Sheppard, Slater, Stewart

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:55 pm EST

RF: The guy obviously doesn't want to mess up his kitchen... Pepperoni or sausage ?

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:55 pm EST

rhet0ric - Not sure what Treff was smoking today, but I'm 99 percent certain she meant Drew MELANSON...meant to mention something about him when the prospect camp roster came out, but he's a potential find...very good player...lead a VERY bad RPI team in scoring as a freshman...seemed to get better and better as the season went on. Was named to the NCAA's all-rookie team. Little concerned about his size, because at 20, I don't think he's going to fill out much...but the kid's got moves. Could be a sleeper. Doubt there's a chance he signs and ditches school though, so he's probably just another one of many on the Rangers' radar but who will never sign...still holding out hope that they can/do convince OKSANEN to ditch BU now that both his linemates are going to the NHL.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:52 pm EST

Kessel as a Ranger would have been hilarious - especially watching the board go crazy when Kessel does what he always done. Grass is greener for sure in this case...donuts for all!

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:50 pm EST

So.... Who wants Ward on the NYR?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:49 pm EST

Nick, once again I find my self apologizing to you. I didn't realize that fat goals don't count as much.. geezus, what was I thinking?

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:48 pm EST

It's the "non-moves" and blown opportunities to move forward and improve that hurts... Anaheim has $20mm in Cap room and we trade them Hags.... I would really love to know is there was a conversation with Boyle about whether he's accept a trade there... Then, you offer The Ducks a no-brainer of a trade to undue this poor signing.... Fast forward, we'd have Girardi, KK, McIlrath, and now Diaz a RHS insurance policy who when on his game just might be able to fill in 2nd pair minutes in a pinch, and bye bye $4.5mm Charm Bracelet. Holy Cannoli ! You want Talbot, well you're taking Tanner Glass too.. ! Holy Cannoli !

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:45 pm EST

Nick: Did you really want him to be a Ranger??

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:45 pm EST

mf/E: If he cannot score 40+ along side Crosby it's because either Crosby (or himself) get hurt or he simply isn't interested. FWIW, I think he will be interested but to what commitment? We shall see...a very fascinating side story for next season without a doubt.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:43 pm EST

Yeah but MF, a lot of Kessel's goals get an asterisk because he's got some baby fat. Or he doesn't backcheck. Or lacks grit. Or something. He's only played 22 PO games and has 13 goals and 8 assists. But, fat.

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:42 pm EST

So in reading some of the early articles on the Sather/Gorton changes, I get the feeling Gorton isn't totally aligned to his boss's philosophy but of course, had no choice but to keep quiet. Therefore, it will be interesting to see what, if any, changes his brings both to the roster and the thinking behind how to assemble that roster. If it's different (and it sure looks like it is) how long will it be before that difference is measurable? This summer? If so, it means a current roster player who isn't a fringe member will be moved. If not, it might take some falling off the table as a team before we see it.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:41 pm EST

Caps add a proven PO performer to help exorcise the demons? Good move although Justin Williams is getting kind of old. But two years, for a decent team with aspirations, makes sense.

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:35 pm EST

Here's something else that's well documented on Phil Kessel: 668 gp, 247 goals, 273 assists, 520 points, .78 gpg regular season & hardley ever misses a game to injury... blown-opportunity......

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:33 pm EST

justin williams to caps 2yrs X 3.25m.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:31 pm EST

him

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:31 pm EST

IMO the NY Rangers would have inspired to get into the best shape of his life also

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:29 pm EST

Diaz is an excellent skater, with good acceleration and can rush the puck up the ice.. He's also a RHS which is harder to replace... The CJC has no issues with this signing.... WTF cares what the CJC thinks anyway? Ha!

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:28 pm EST

Kes weight issues and fitness level are fairly well documented. I don't care how fast you are, if you're on the bench gassed or can't find an extra gear to dig deeper when you are cut off from the bench it's an issue. He is not out of shape by a normal persons standard but for a top notch hockey player? Yeah, his fitness woes are documented. I'm sure Pittsburgh is gonna be much better at getting his fitness to a higher level then it's ever been. It's different being in an organization like TO which is a train wreck to Pittsburgh where they run a tight ship. Big cultural change. I think Pitt stole him personally. I think he is gonna be great on Crosby or Malkins wing.

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:27 pm EST

Aaron Ward...... Justin Williams to the Washington Capitals on a 2 year deal. #TSN

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:25 pm EST

Let the malkinstein rumors resurface... Moof stepan or Nash? ...

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:19 pm EST

Here's some insider info on Kessel as a Leaf, in no particular order: 1) Comes to camp out of shape 2) Orders pizza after most home practices, which he consumes before going home 3)Is usually the first to exit the room after a game regardless of the outcome of that game 4) Bitches to those in his dressing room clique on how much the coach sucks, the team sucks and individual players suck 5) Won't hit 6) Won't take a hit 7) Is ridiculously skilled 8) Has one of the best shots in the league 9) Can skate like the wind 10) Won't backcheck 11) Defies his coaches regularly 12) Is an enigma who has now been traded by 2 teams despite putting up on a regular basis impressive offensive totals. Good luck with that Pittsburgh!

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:15 pm EST

I can hear it already, Pittsburgs in cap hell, Maikin, Crosby, Kessel, Letang, MAF take up $38million... BFD, what good does it do us?? Nadda!

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:10 pm EST

Kessel was a bargain

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:09 pm EST

Yep, Kessel & his phat ass; at 6'ft and 200 lbs, above average skater & spped, how fat and out of shape do you think this guy really is? Byfuglien out of shape? No way jack.... Let's bemoan the defensive side of his game: he's there to be the go to guy, and he get's it done! Appeared in only 21 or 22 PO games and averaged .95ppg...... A rare RHS RW to boot... At $6.8mill p/y cap hit for 7 years, he's a month younger than MZA, and he is a legitimate top line forward on any franchise in the league..... He's exactly what we needed to counter balance Nash on the Left Side regardless of whether or not they where on the same line, and, once Nash moves on, we'd still have a top line talent.....

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:04 pm EST

Clark talked to what's his marshmellow today at the prospects camp. Mentioned that Russian kid they drafted last week - he's not in camp due to immigration problems and John Paddock, a close friend of Clark's' coaching him. Will be interesting to watch this kid evolve...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:50 pm EST

Per Leslie Treff..... Petr Zamorsky(2014, FA signee) has committed to come over(so has Calle Andersson(2012, 4th Round).... Per Alex Nunn.... Aleksi Saarela included on Finland's World Junior camp roster ....Leslie Treff tweets from Prospect Camp.... Zamorsky looked good with puck smart decisions, good quick, crisp passes..... Tambellini looks like he put on weight, using his stick much better.... Drew Melandin is doing a lot out there, stick handling, vision, passing and took a big hit and got right back up.... Donnay looks to have improved his skating. Still a little loose position ally.... Drew Melandin is doing a lot out there, stick handling, vision, passing and took a big hit and got right back up... Zamorsky looked good with puck smart decisions, good quick, crisp passes.... Couple of things I noticed in the 25 minutes I saw the guys skate. Skjei looked good but from quick look think he needs AHL seasoning... Tambellini skating being watched for possible tweak.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:11 pm EST

On whether the team is improved from the end of the season, with the Cam Talbot/Carl Hagelin trades and the free-agent signings: GORTON: “I’d like to think so. We’ve added some pretty good players and some depth, but I think to say yes right now is a tough one. I think we’ll know as we move forward and if we add more players, improve in some areas. I’d like to say yes, but you’re probably going to disagree with me, so let’s see how it plays out.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/01/updated-sather-steps-down-gives-gorton-rangers-gm-job-with-transcript/#sthash.sXCcfwiN.8hRXWGtE.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:28 pm EST

Now the guys we got...Brian GIBBONS - Not sure how anyone is calling him soft, but this was a guy who was absolutely KILLING the Rangers in the 2014 playoffs...just a nails player. Hard skater. Very quick. Is he the most talented guy? No...but he's solid. I suspect he's a Hartford signing, but I'd have no problem at all trying him on fourth line...Jayson MEGNA - Pretty nondescript player, but not soft by any means. Above average skater, hands, et cetera. Probably signed for Hartford...Raffy DIAZ - We all know this guy...and the funny part is I recall some here bitching up a storm that we DIDN'T resign him and went for HUNWICK...Good seventh defender...will be an easy fill in if, in fact, KLEIN is traded and McILRATH has a few bumps in his development...Viktor STALBERG - Gotta say I really don't get the bitching about this guy..speed, size, can pot the puck, has a cup ring and is on a cap hit that's next to nil. He's another that could easily end up in Hartford if he doesn't bring it...the big beef with him in Nashville was that he was making twice what New York is paying him...Magnus HELLBERG - I know nothing about him...stats look pretty underwhelming...looks like he'll replace MISSIAEN, floating between the ECHL and AHL. Not exactly 'pumped' about any of the moves...but man...no reason to freak out about them like some are apparently doing.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:23 pm EST

from FA perspective prices are insane for solid but not great players - interesting was Prust for Kassian -looks like Prust has lost a little and is more expensive -Kassian off bad back but still only 24 have to wonder why vancouver does it

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:15 pm EST

WOw.... The grass really isn't greener on the other side.... Antoine Vermette two years and $3.75 million average per season... That's a bargain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:13 pm EST

I understand nothing earth-shattering happened over the last number of days, but I can't believe how many of us are bemoaning the moves that have taken place (or not taken place today). The Rangers financial responsibility is to their RFAs. They need to get Stepan, Miller, etc. under contract. Today's signings were mostly to shore things up in Hartford and to provide depth for another long season. Diaz, Stalberg, Megna, Lindblad, and Gibbons provides that depth. They are not difference makers, but are players that can fill in in an injury pinch. Etem is not Hagelin, but he has some good upside and is still young. Hellberg provides the Rangers with further goaltending depth and Raanta should be a capable backup. It's July 1. I don't think this is the same roster that will open training camp, let alone the regular season. Also there are potential impactful players that will come into training camp that may force the Rangers to keep them: McIlrath, Lindberg and to a lesser extent, Skeiji, Tambellini, Andersson, Bodie. The Rangers are a good team and they'll be a good team next year. They won't win the President's Trophy again, but they'll be in the playoffs and they know how to win in the playoffs. Kreider should be better. Miller should be better. Hayes should improve. Hopefully Etem will find his game here. I guess I'm just an optimist, but I'm excited about the Rangers next year.

evets1980


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:12 pm EST

Rhet the coach needs to spot any extra forwards and d or they regress....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:11 pm EST

Really......what did we miss out on. Look at these prices. I'll pass. We'll be fine as usual. A long ways to go before the start of the season.

kitchen1


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:05 pm EST

Stevie.... Kids can regress just sitting on the bench all season. IMO, Lindberg is making this team unless he totally implodes in camp. I also think Klein gets traded to make way for one of the kids on D(Mac:) ...pssssttt.... Glass is the 13th forward :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:02 pm EST

So long Slats

archie5


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:00 pm EST

no surprise Vermette back to Arizona- 2yr deal per Bob McKenzie

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:00 pm EST

On today's activity...the only...and I mean positively ONLY action the Rangers sort of missed out on was KESSEL...and TBH, I don't think many people wanted him here to begin with...I'll admit, the Pens got a pretty good deal on his fat ass...and if he can turn it around, they'll have a pretty lethal top five...but they always did...everyone else, however...the signings the deals...you name it...all garbage. Watching the dismantling of the Bruins is sad and joyus at the same time...man, how the mighty have fallen...BELESKEY at $19 million?!? Wow...I mean...wow...just..wow. The guy is hardly worth half that...and he's signed for the next five years...ouch...Mike GREEN to Detroit for $6 million? BEUACHIMAN for $4.5 million? FROLIK for $4.3 million? Paul MARTIN for $4.8 million? SEKERA for $5.5 million?!? And you guys are worried about STALBERG? These are out-of-control prices for players that aren't very good to begin with.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:58 pm EST

Antoine Vermette returning to Arizona, per @renlavoietva #Coyotes

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:55 pm EST

Rhet I'd rather have Limburger and Big Mac up here sitting if necessary than being in Hartford . They will learn just by being in the nhl and practicing with the nyr. They'll get their shots when Veenknow decides or is forced....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:53 pm EST

Would like to keep Shep over Stalberg but..... shuffling the bottom six is not this teams need imo. Would of like Jimmy Hayes somehow someway. Redundant moves thus far.

stepunmytoe


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:48 pm EST

Nick the top 2 lines can't carry a team the bottom six have roles to play on a team and have to contribute. Otherwise why play 4 lines? To give the top 2 a rest ? They won't win s cup without 4 good lines..... The d and the star always get a pass .... But not in my book.... They need to improve too....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:48 pm EST

Stevie.... None of the kids are going to be the 13th forward or the 7th or 8th defenseman. Never happen. If a kid is ready, he'll be here. That's why these deals were made so they can all be hidden in Hartford. It's all about options.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:47 pm EST

PLeonardNYDN: Jayson Megna also a one-way deal, one year

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:46 pm EST

hipcheck/Rhet0ric - Thanks for being two voices of reason amid this miasma of dooming and glooming. Totally agree, hip. And Rhet, you are so right. No one seems to recall that Hartford is losing a whole hell of a lot of vet talent...KOSTKA, MUELLER, BOURQUE(who may still resign), CRABB, KLINGBERG and KRISTO...And then there's a good chance LINDBERG makes the team too...I suspect that at least two...maybe even three...of today's signings are Hartford-bound.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:45 pm EST

Per Pat Leonard...... Of today's #NYR signings, the only one-way contracts are Raphael Diaz (700K) and Viktor Stalberg (1.1 mil)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:44 pm EST

If next year depends on who we get as 12th-15th forwards and 7-8 D-men, we're worse off than I figured.

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:43 pm EST

The problem these schlubs block kids from getting promoted because the are "vets"... Hospo I don't know what happened to the concept of character guys and hard nosed blacknblue hockey players for the nyr.... Veenknow thinks its badminton ....blow the whistle ... This blows...

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:37 pm EST

I also was not implying he was taking anyone's job away, just saying if any of the young guys regressed Which can and does happen in the NHL. Though I don't expect it to.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:36 pm EST

Winnik- 2.25 per year - another guy coming off a 600k contract for a 4th liner, amazing

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:36 pm EST

1 way deal means they get paid the same in the nhl or the ahl wherever they land

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:35 pm EST

Hospo... These are the kind of signings you make at the trade deadline for depth in case of injury. Think of it that way.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:34 pm EST

Hospo... You said the same things last year. Yes Stalberg expects to be on the team but he still has to make the team just like anyone else. Remember Stempniak? Same exact thing. If he plays well enough to make the team it's nothing but a positive for us. Maybe he also ends up being our 13th forward. This is all about depth. We're not done.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:32 pm EST

RHET - Wow, do we have a different opinion on the talents, character and work ethic of this Stalberg stiff........We shall see...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:30 pm EST

also means that based on that not every team is willing to bury that in the minors, would rather have it on big club

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:29 pm EST

RHET - These guys were targeted signings so early, they were the guys management wanted over avaialble players...I hate the game of both players and I don;t like the signal it sends on the evaluation talents of the new regime and the type of players they like (ditto with Etem)...I also don't think STALBERG was signed for anything other than to play in NY....Of course if he sucks, he gets dropped...but a) why waste the money and B) why not get it right the first time around instead of scrambling later?

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:28 pm EST

1-WAY DEALS ONLY DECIDES HOW A PLAYER GET'S PAID. Nothing else.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:26 pm EST

What I like about the Stalberg signing is that he can do a lot of what Hags did and give us some insurance in case a Fast or Lindberg need some seasoning.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:25 pm EST

now Pat Leonard is saying Megna's deal is 1way so maybe he gets a closer look too.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:21 pm EST

hospo - hear ya -i wouldn't have signed one of these guys today - and i can see all of them spending their time in the minors all year with exception of Diaz who will only play if someone is sick or injured . yea we could have kept hags with that money but he's gone or would have been by deadline - the Helberg thing is interesting former #2 pick who's RFA coming on a bit. I certainly would have rather they used whatever available to entice a bigger player like a Stewart, Mathias, Fehr type or save it for the deadline and let the younger guys like bourque, hrivik, lindberg see what they can do for those last 1-2 spots on the team first half of year. But hey not my call and does makes it harder to enjoy paying these season ticket bills

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:19 pm EST

Hospo... I think you and I go through this every year. Some day soon maybe you'll believe me :) Stalberg is this years Lee Stempniak He will have to get a shot to make the team but if he sucks, he get's sent down. Diaz is our 7th D replacing Hunwick, Do you remember Mueller, Malone and Kostka? All depth signings. Gorton is doing his Sather impression or just Gorton being Gorton(even when Sather was here).

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:12 pm EST

RHET - Don't agree at all...I look at the roster now..and these guys were signed to play in NY (not Gibbons)..and they both are worthless and add nothing to where the Rangers should be heading..But, we'll see what hppens the next few months to change my mind...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:11 pm EST

rangers have about 10.8m for 4 RFAs on big club and 5 on minor league side 2 of which may play on big club -Lindberg/MCi

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:09 pm EST

Jim - Obviously, but still 1.8 mill they should have kept... And they still spent another .7 MIll on this Gibson character..

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:08 pm EST

Hospo.... All a 1-way contract means is that said player get's paid the same no matter where he is sent. These are very smart depth deals and can easily be hidden in Hartford if we need to get rid of any or all them. Diaz at $700k is as bargain. Everyone else was signed for Hartford. This is usual NYR first day stuff.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:07 pm EST

As a starting point for, for now, Nash-Brass-MZA (if healthy);Kreider-Step-Hayes;Fast-Miller-Etem,Glass-Moore-Stalberg/Lindberger(c)....What a mish-mash ..hard to see any idnetity other than scoring-challenged....Keep the Defense strong (i.e Keep Klein and hope to God Big Mac is ready)!.

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:04 pm EST

only Stahlberg and Diaz are 1 way and 1.8m total if on roster.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:00 pm EST

Need a title search ....Also today, the Rangers announced that Jim Schoenfeld, who was already serving as assistant GM and GM of Hartford (AHL), has been given the additional title of senior vice president.

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:53 pm EST

Rf maybe that's why they are shopping guys to get some space.... Sather is now in outer space... Dolan still going to pay him $5 mil per ? To do what ?

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:51 pm EST

E they will be serving grits at every meal ... Harmony grits oh wait it's Hominy Grits

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:49 pm EST

Both STALBERG and DIAZ's contracts are one way--stupid, stupid, stupid..Wasted 2.5 mill today on trash, shouldn't have spent a cent and kept it for a player that matters..

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:48 pm EST

No cap.space at this time for Williams...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:42 pm EST

Sorry Olaf....

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:39 pm EST

It's Hellberg not Helberg... ;)

Ola


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:37 pm EST

I also see this offseason as kind of a lost summer. They're stuck having to get their salary structure shaped up. I still don't believe like Brooks does that this team took a major hit. If this team couldn't endure the loss of Hagelin then they weren't crap to begin with. At this stage, I think that they'd like to secure a top-6 forward. Maybe that's what Yandle gets you or not... They still aren't answering the bell on the question of grit, but how long have I been on about this???

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:37 pm EST

"On February 28, 2011, Williams signed a four-year, $14.6 million extension with the Los Angeles Kings. He scored 15 points in the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs, helping the Kings win their first NHL title. During the 2012–13 season, Williams scored 11 goals with 22 assists, as the Kings would ultimately lose to the eventual Stanley Cup champions Chicago Blackhawks in the Western Conference Finals of the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs. Williams won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the most valuable player in the 2014 Stanley Cup playoffs, where he won his third Stanley Cup and second with the Kings. He scored nine goals and 15 assists during the playoffs, including the game-winning goal in Game 1 the 2014 Stanley Cup Finals against the New York Rangers, and the Kings' first in the 3–2 comeback in Game 5 to win the Cup. Williams also had points in all three Game 7 matches the Kings had on the path to the Finals.[4]"

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:33 pm EST

WINNIK bck to the Leafs for two years.....That trade to PITT worked out good for them!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:32 pm EST

Belesky just got the David Clarkson award. Ouch... What is it about summer that makes GM's get stupid?

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:28 pm EST

SWEENEY doing a little better than over the weekend even if I think BELESKY is a risk...Still, not a huge contract

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:25 pm EST

BRUINS also sign BELESKY for 4 MILL per for 5 Years,,,

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:22 pm EST

HELBERG - First deal for Rangers in a week that makes some sense..even if he never plays in the NHL

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:21 pm EST

JIMMY HAYES to BOS for REILLY SMITH and MARC SAVARD's contract

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:11 pm EST

justin williams getting action from washington Phllly, Rangers, =clutch scorer

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:10 pm EST

hayes for smith per Lubrun

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:04 pm EST

Rangers acquired goalie Magnus Helberg from NSH for a 2017 6th rounder. Interesting. Former 2nd rounder.

evets1980


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:58 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ✔ @FriedgeHNIC Not only is BOS closing in on Matt Beleskey, but also hearing Bruins are working on a deal with FLA for Jimmy Hayes.

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:56 pm EST

Rob Z @Rob_InTheSlot When we beat the Islanders this year, I want the headline to be: "Trust the Gorton's Fishermen."

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:56 pm EST

hospo we have a wiener..... Kevin Hayes ✔ @KevinPHayes12 Another Boston boy and BC eagle to New York. Congrats to Brian Gibbons on signing with the

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:50 pm EST

angers Report ✔ @rangersreport Sather: "If I was to pick one thing ... the best was criticizing the officials for screwing us out of a goal in L.A."

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:50 pm EST

Sather: "I've been thinking about this for the last few years ... everybody would like to retire as a champion. It just didn't happen." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport Sather ... "The clock moves for everyone."

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:49 pm EST

@rangersreport Brassard had surgery to repair extensor tendon in his wrist last week. Recovery is 4-6 weeks. NYR say he will be recovered in time for camp.

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:16 pm EST

Maybe a stupid question (or moot because he wouldn't do it) but is there a way Hank could restructure his contract where he would be less of a cap hit? Say he opens his eyes and realizes the team can't get better with him taking up so much space. Something like Brady did for the Pats. Not sure if that is possible in the NHL.

Fotiu22


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:16 pm EST

Wild- Dan Girardi is 31!!!!! And no I didn't see his birth certificate. He didn't tell me either. Nor do I know his mother well enough to have been there when he skipped the Vag. I just looked on Wikipedia. I know I should've at least gone to NHL.com

_Arc


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:14 pm EST

I'm not stressed or worried about any of it. Why? Because this Team, this ownership, this management, this coaching staff, the players, the black aces, the farm team, the trainers, the equipment managers, the stick boys, the season ticket holders, the fans, the fanatics on year round message boards*, the security team, the doctors, the lawyers, the nutritionists, the therapists, & the travel consultants, real estate advisors are all obsessed with one thing........ (((WINNING)))!!!! I strongly believe that we are still very, very, very close to The Cup. The core is the same. Painful lessons have been learned. Not every transaction can be judged so swiftly. Lots of times the apparent loser, ends up becomming the winner in the long run with these deals. This Team can see its reflection in Lord Stanley's Chalice they are so unbelievably close. In my minds eye, I see LUNDQVIST, GIRARDI, STAAL & MCDONAGH hoisting, kissing, drinking from & parading with The Holy Grail very soon.

hipcheck


Wed Jul 1 2015 4:04 pm EST

Also, racking my brain trying to figure out why we would so quickly sign somebody as meaningless as Brian Gibbons...and the only answer I can come up with is he played college Hockey with Kid Kreider and Kevin Hayes...Maybe he can be their cheerleader?

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:59 pm EST

Suck not to have our most physical forward

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:58 pm EST

Hey, do we know if MZA's injury was purely jaw..or concussion..or both?

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:55 pm EST

Hospo- I figured the "no grit" went without having to say it! At least we will turn the other cheek and get the extra two minutes anyway when Stamkos runs our Captain!

Fotiu22


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:47 pm EST

Fotiu - Add.."Don't see the physicality/grit"..But I agree, with the defense and goalie, they are a solid top 8 team in the East..But, for fans that like physical hoceky, gonna be a hard group to really watch...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:47 pm EST

You may want to roster-bate a bit more.... Stir up the ol endorfins... ;-)

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:46 pm EST

Mike Green's defense makes Dan Boyle look like prime Chara. Six million? Yikes. Definition of cap hell: having $18 million locked up by Nash and TGGOTP, with no Cup ... a barren system ... and a bunch of second and third liners all looking for a payday this year or next. Hey -- how's that for sunshine? Christ right now I'd trade rosters with Buffalo or Edmonton. Half kidding.

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:43 pm EST

Having flashbacks that this season is going to be like 1992-1993 when we took a step back and didn't make the playoffs. Before the board kills me, I still think we will make the playoffs but as a 7 or 8 seed. I see lots of 2-1 games in the regular season and hopefully we can win some 3 on 3 OT games or some shootouts. If the Hobbit doesn't come back healthy or we have a Top 8 guy go down, we are in trouble. Don't see the scoring, don't see the depth except on D. Hoping I am wrong.

Fotiu22


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:40 pm EST

mf - Yeah, I apologize, my biorhythms have been way down the last 4-5 days..!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:37 pm EST

Hospo: you optimist ;-)

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:36 pm EST

Trade: ????

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:31 pm EST

New GM Jeff Gorton on if #NYR is better: "I'd like to say yes but you’ll probably disagree with me." ....Either he has a sense of humore..or is protecting Sather...or we're in for another cupless 10 years becasue he's the nimrod that orchestrated the moves of the past 4 days...I'm leaning to the latter right now

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:26 pm EST

P-Divvy... you got my attention. Vic?

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:26 pm EST

Hospo: Good call!! BTW: Sometimes I feel like that at work and I am only 40!!!!

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:25 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f6Y0vD0_Vg

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:25 pm EST

Yandle may just get us Draisaitl. That kid Schultz they have running the point on their first pairing is an unmitigated disaster. I hope Gorton didnt lose Chiapet's #

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:25 pm EST

Of course, the same thing happemed to Brian Sabean in baseball, bit he was still able to outsmart the whippersnappers and win three World Series....Not so with Sather

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:24 pm EST

bLUEbLOOD: how about a circumcision for our man Kadri? ........ Well it's 40 below and I don't give a fuck, Got a heater in my truck and I'm off to the rodeo It's an alla man left and alla man right Come on you fuckin' dummy get your right step right Get off stage you god damn goof you know You piss me off, you fuckin' jerk You get on my nerves Here comes Johnny with his pecker in his hand, He's a one ball man and he's off to the rodeo It's an alla man left and alla man right Come on you fuckin' dummy get your right step right Get off stage you god damn goof you know You piss me off, you fuckin' jerk You get on my nerves Well it's 40 below and I ain't got a truck and I don't give a fuck 'cause I'm off to the rodeo Where it's an alla man left and alla man right Come on you fuckin' dummy get your right step right Get off stage you god damn goof you know You piss me off, you fuckin' jerk You get on my nervs Here comes Johnny with his pecker in his hand, He's a one ball man and he's off to the rodeo It's an alla man left and alla man right Come on you fuckin' dummy get your right step right Get off stage you god damn goof you know You piss me off, you fuckin' jerk You get on my nerves

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:24 pm EST

PatrickDiv - That was Moi..and maybe others...Sather no longer had anything in common and was of a different world/generation than the newer GMs...did not bode well for trades

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:23 pm EST

No one want to deal with the crank old fella with the rolled up newspaper anymore

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:22 pm EST

There's gotta be some other Big bodied prancers that were sent down to the AHL last year that we can sign..

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:22 pm EST

Dont know who called it out correctly during the draft but it was spot on: Sather: "Relationships GM's have to have with each other, it just makes it a lot easier for Jeff to be involved than to have me involved."

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:20 pm EST

Wild: Better defensively, not as good offenseivley..a very good fit for Detroit on a short term..all that matters

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:18 pm EST

B Richards to Det on a 1yr deal

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:16 pm EST

Hospo: yeah but he is nothing near his old self

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:13 pm EST

And, after a few injured years, Green ios back on track playing quite well

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:12 pm EST

Now people saying Yandle will not be moving.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:11 pm EST

WILD - Not getting you..the injury plague was meant for Staal..And didn't Girardi just sign a long term deal 1.5 years ago for 6 years at the age of 30?

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:10 pm EST

My bad he was 28 when signed. Still better than Green defensively and green isn't what he was offensively.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:10 pm EST

TradeStar28: not appropriate and not cool. Admin?

bLUEbLOOD


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:07 pm EST

The Rangers culture is to reward the homegrown talent with longer term deals. The Rangers do not need defense or a goalie for the next 3 years. A few #6/7's may come in (Hunwick last year, now Diaz)......but they are set..........The problem is that this team hasn't taken it to the final level when the chips are all on the table

TradeStar28


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:07 pm EST

HOSPO: Uummmm Giradi is one of the healthiest guys in the NHL and signed long term in his mid 20s. Green is 29 almost 30.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:06 pm EST

Tradestar - Or Gernander will be holding it

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:06 pm EST

BOB - Which isn'[t saying anything..The guy would rather dangle...and AV sure ain't gonna help increase his phyical play, which he needs to do (and has the size)

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:05 pm EST

@HartnettHockey: #NYR GM Jeff Gorton says he will have final decision on players.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:05 pm EST

Etem will be wearing one of those dog choke collars with AV holding the other end

TradeStar28


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:04 pm EST

Good deal by the WINGS GM only needing to go three years for MIke Green..How many did the Rangers go with injury plagued Staal. and Girardi? Good GMs can make a difference

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:04 pm EST

Hospo: agreed. They need a vet who has been on deep playoff runs and with teams that had a tough time getting wins in rough patches. Lots of young guys and in experience on that roster.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:03 pm EST

Etem is the most physcial player of any of them. That means he will get the least ice time from AV.

Bob


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:03 pm EST

Rangers going after Kadri and all the Jews in MSG will throw rocks at him

TradeStar28


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:03 pm EST

if Sweeney offered up Marchand would take him- small but pain in the neck to play against- plays in all situations about .60 pp/g in regular season and playoffs and is signed for another year beyond the coming year. Guy you hate but love on your team, would be hard to not get more and look bad since we gave up so much for Yandle, maybe Gorton can work over his former team for more.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:03 pm EST

DREW - What the Isles really need is maturity....they will be much better next year

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:02 pm EST

Can say...with limited actual knowledge of him...don't like the Stahlberg signing...maybe if it was a deal that when sent down it had no cap hit (975 or whatever) it would be more ok. But I don't know the cutoff for sending down a player...I think it's a % of the cap so it changes. Maybe it's 1.1 this year.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:01 pm EST

Bob - ANd your boy Etem...We are defientely building a team for the POs...NOT!!!!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:01 pm EST

mf - the Islanders need for D is not what it was the same time last year. They have Leddy and Boychuck. They traded Griffin Rienhart (former 4th overall pick) because they were deep on D. Speaking of the Islanders, besides Greiss, they have been quiiet. I have a feeling that they will be picking up some good players, very soon.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:00 pm EST

mf: maybe they did and Snow hung up laughing at them.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:00 pm EST

Stahlberg is a big prancing pansy. A HOSPO type of player for sure. He will fit right in with Leeza Gibbons.

Bob


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:00 pm EST

Full no trade for Green.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:59 pm EST

I expected to log in here to find he Wall afire going Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead: http://nypost.com/2015/07/01/glen-sather-steps-aside-as-rangers-gm/

LeoS


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:57 pm EST

Yandle goes from cellar dweller to a penthouse level, and back to the cellar..... You mean to tell me we couldn't offer him to the Iceholes in a deal foe Okposo? Is Isaiah Thomas orchestrating these deals? Or is he Ribero's mentor? .... The Password is: ABORTION ....... So Saad ...............

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:55 pm EST

The sudden emergence of Yandle on the market may come from the Rangers trying to extend him. If that didn't go well they may have decided he is worth more now than the deadline...or at least investigate it b

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:53 pm EST

5.5-6.0 going rate for decent to good dmen...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:52 pm EST

6 mil per for Green

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:52 pm EST

Green got $6M per from the Wings. Yeah, Yandles gonna resign here....

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:51 pm EST

Mike Green to Det

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:51 pm EST

BOB -Stalberg... I was worried you were gonna disagree with me on that wuss...Phew!!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:50 pm EST

The leader os today's free agent class is Viktor Stahlberg? Good Lord. That guy will get KILLED up here every night. Lazy, disinterested with a flash of usefulness once a month. AV will probably have him on the 2nd line.

Bob


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:50 pm EST

I would like to see yandle stay also unless we get an offer we can't refuse

tlats


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:50 pm EST

The only reason Yandle is here is because ARI is footing half his salary. We probably got a good dose of what he will want on his next deal from his agent already. Given what the stiffs today just signed for I can only imagine what Yandle wants. On top of that we have our own RFAs next year to resign. He's too expensive for us and will will not be able to resign him so the best time to trade him is now (really it was before the draft!). Boston is looking to replace the gaping hole Hamilton left and if the rumor is true, I am sure they will overpay to get him there. Then watch him not resign next year and go FA on them!!!

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:49 pm EST

Hospo you are killing Etem ... give the kid a shot for 20 games, man. Hags wasn't exactly Cam Neely. As for Sheppard, no speed no hands see ya later. So he threw a check once in a while. I didn't get the love. But then again I didn't get it for Pruster and Dubi and all the other indispensibles we've dumped over time either. I'm just not a 'grit' guy I guess.

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:49 pm EST

4th line. Stal, Lindy, Fast. Swedish meatball line.

stepunmytoe


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:49 pm EST

Hospo. Calm down. Every year the Rangers sign guys just for the AHL and emergency depth. And every year the wall explodes with a WTF type reaction. I don't think they expect him to make the NHL roster.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:49 pm EST

I will run through a wall if they bring back Benn Ferriero.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:47 pm EST

i think it would have to start with Marchand- scanning their roster can't see anything that addresses what rangers might want but salaries don't match without some other component either they keep salary or we add Tanner perhaps.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:46 pm EST

jim: don't get the feeling from the rumors that they are in s hurry to move any D. But I think it's smart to see what is out there

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:46 pm EST

Give me Pasternak and Marchand and I will throw Yandle in my trunk and drive him there

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:46 pm EST

Brian Gibbons??? Oh c'mon....These were the moves the Rangers were planning? Etem, Diaz,Stalberg and Gibbons? What are they gonna due, just throw crap against the wall and see what sticks for the 3rd and 4th line? Gibbons? nothing but a career minor league squir with a brief Crosby interlude

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:46 pm EST

Yandle; I did a complete 180 on this guy by playoffs end. He played with heart and was alot more physical and defensively sound than I ever thought. Would like him to stay and feel we may regret his leaving the back end.

stepunmytoe


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:45 pm EST

Hopefully a 1st too

tlats


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:45 pm EST

Maybe Marchand?

tlats


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:44 pm EST

yandle to bruins possible according to our friend Eck. @ 50% salary he's huge bargain, i wouldn't rush to move him, would have to be really good deal

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:43 pm EST

DREW - That's becasue Stalberg was sent down to the AHL because he does little to remember ..putrid signing//

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:40 pm EST

I am the worst hockey fan. Almost every signung today my reaction is "Who?". Sans Diaz. I barely remember Stalberg.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:39 pm EST

wild - agree can't see more than handful of games combined if ever from these guys.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:34 pm EST

Would NOT be one for one.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:34 pm EST

FYI the person who reported the Novak rumor said there would be a LOT LOTZ more coming back. So it would be 1 for 1.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:33 pm EST

jim: I am fairly certain these guys are AHL guys unless injuries force them in. The pack is losing a few guys....I don't think the Rangers see much in the way of NHL time for them...well Diaz and Stahlberg(sp) they see more from I imagine.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:32 pm EST

HOSPO; Agree on Yandle, they gave up so much for him because he was supposed to be the offensive defensemen we coveted. I say give him a chance with a full training camp and he will be what we need on the back line. He came to a completely different type of team at the end of the season, looked hurt and still had a good playoffs. Getting a Bozak for him would be a disaster IMO, Toronto wa looking for a 2nd round pick for him. Would anyone in their right mind trade Duclair, Moore and a first for Bozak. Doesnt sound right.

Steve443c10


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:32 pm EST

Who the phuck is Jason Smegma? Sounds like a pile of goo!!

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:30 pm EST

there ya go problem solved - Brian Gibbons

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:30 pm EST

Brian Gibbons

Fivehole


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:30 pm EST

not from what i see from him and i watch a lot of WC games. Bottom line whether Etem does what i think or not- he's still not enough, team isn't build for the grinding physical game when the speed is clogged up by tight team. We need less finesse and this team isn't there yet, remains to be seen if they can figure a way to add to it, with guys who can actually play as well, may not be able to this year. But certainly would rather a single addition of that type vs. 4 depth guys who won't play more than 50 games combined barring major injuries.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:28 pm EST

OTT gave Kostka 100k more than the Rangers gave Diaz...Diaz is about to fire his agent.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:22 pm EST

Hospo: not a prediction. But miller deserved the AHL last season until he didn't. I will give Etem a chance to shine. We shall see. But I won't write him off before he even gets into camp.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:22 pm EST

NOT Toronto

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:21 pm EST

NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily 26s27 seconds ago Rangers are NOT done. They are hammering out a deal right now

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:21 pm EST

Buckle up. Rangers not done.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:19 pm EST

With apologies to MZA, of course, but he's small

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:17 pm EST

we need to trade Kreider and MIller up front and make the transformation complete...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:16 pm EST

jim - not from what I saw this past year..Etem was a floater..active when he wanted to be..deserved to be in the AH despite his skill

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:13 pm EST

Slegs: the seagulls beat him to it........

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:13 pm EST

i don't put Etem in same category much much more physical than Stahlberg - he will be in the minors and shuttle back and forth as depth unless he somehow has woken up. The thing is they have burned up 4 contracts today for non -factor type players. Don't see the need to push for trading KK or Yandle doesn't save a lot of money and they can actually play.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:13 pm EST

Thanks asshole Sather for nothing you piece of crap....you should call Neil smith and apologize for sucking so bad. Redden, Holik, Drury, Gomez, coached Trottier, Ron Lowe, Nice going asshole

vcp1994


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:13 pm EST

So Saad, so Saad, it's a Saad Saad situation, & ..................

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:12 pm EST

Gorton fisherman dumpster diving ...

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:12 pm EST

I would have saved my 1.8 million that the rangers spent in the dumpster dive crappola bin and just gone with kids....Horrible signings..along with the horrible Etem addition...Etem and Stralberg two big fast forwards that avoid contact and dissppear..Perfect for the POs

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:11 pm EST

I recall reading an article on Bozak last year.... His stats are considerably different when playing on a line with Kessel as opposed to playing "without" Kessel....

mf


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:11 pm EST

BTW if not reported Diaz 700K. If needed could be sent down with no cap hit.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:10 pm EST

HOSPO Fehr will not come for 1.1 mil....they may have tried but are out priced. We shall see when he signs of course

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:06 pm EST

tlats - SHepp had some balls..he doesn't fit the forward group...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:06 pm EST

Yandle for Bozak I will pass

tlats


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:06 pm EST

You go after Stalberg instead of somebody like FEHR who can play bioth C and W, win FOs, and plays physical most of the time? Unbelivable.....but hey, he can hang out with the other Swedes and he had a good year in 2012

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:05 pm EST

I guess Stahlberg means Sheppard is done with NYR

tlats


Wed Jul 1 2015 2:01 pm EST

STAHLBERG? God help us..Another big piece of shit that doesn't use his size and got sent down to the AHL for lack of effort and competiveness......With ETEM and Stahlberg, guess that's the new Ranger blueprints..Find somebody with ball god damn it!!!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:57 pm EST

BOZAK ws one player I was quasi interested in last year...But Wasn't BOZAK available for picks at the deadline?...DO they deal Stepan? Are they expecting to lose Miller?

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:57 pm EST

Stalberg...1.1mil

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:56 pm EST

Stahlberg...not bad

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:56 pm EST

Stahlberg??really

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:54 pm EST

BOZAK to NY for Yandle or Klein....in talks...

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:49 pm EST

Hey, I kid around alot, but I really don't understand the possible desire to deal YANDLE when the organization deemed he was exactly what the team needed last spring insteadt of a solid two way FO winning forward and possibly a defensive d-man? were they that dis-satified with him...Again. it's guys like STEPAN and NASH that the Rangers should look into dealing..

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:45 pm EST

so trade klien and yandle replace with big mac and diaz.....?

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:43 pm EST

hospo pulling straws and puds...same thing?

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:41 pm EST

Good call WIld - “@AdamHerman_BSB: From a credible source: NYR had Kevin Klein "in play" yesterday. Seems like NYR are toying with moving a defenseman.”

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:33 pm EST

Wasn't Yandle brought in for the PP and offense from the bacck? have we fixed it ? has the philosphy of the entire org changed already? Strange stuff..Oh wait, with DIaz signed Yandle is defientely expendable!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:31 pm EST

TDCHI - That offer sheet for the hometown boy was primed along time ago...The question is whill they do it. up to 3.6 Mill only requires a 2nd rounder

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:30 pm EST

But rumors are. They are being currently talked about. Guess the conference call with the new GM isn't stopping him from dealing?

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:29 pm EST

STEVIE - That will be the change in the Rangers under Gorton---Grasping at straws rather then, as RF4L eloquently puts it, pulling their pud...:)

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:29 pm EST

Wild - is that speculative or have you also heard Klein is being shopped? TSN is reporting Yandle.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:29 pm EST

Buckle your seatbelts...YANDLE being shopped...Pitt just got back its second rounder and JT MILLER could be primed for an offer sheet...

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:29 pm EST

Patrick: I just heard that too about Yandle and had to rewind it a couple of times to make sure I heard it correct.

tlats


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:28 pm EST

Shopped not shipped

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:28 pm EST

Sounds like both Klein and Yandle being shipped. Wonder if it's just to see if they can hit a home run or if they are trying to really change the back end?

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:27 pm EST

nyr grasping at straws.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:26 pm EST

This has been a very strange off-season so far for the Rangers.

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:26 pm EST

DIAZ...AYFKM? worthless no-offense..no-defense d-man....But hey, you get what you have money for....

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:26 pm EST

Will he would bring in a nice price or is it the Talbot soon to be FA price reduction all over again?

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:25 pm EST

Speaking of making a mark: Gord Miller, during TSN’s free agent coverage said “hearing that Yandle is on the block as well, potentiality to be traded by the New York Rangers.”

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:24 pm EST

Twitter/TSN mentions Yandle is on the block.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:24 pm EST

Jayson megna?....matt lindblad?....Gorton 1st 3 moves....try the toilet.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:24 pm EST

About time Slats called it a day. Each time I looked at him I couldnt shake the image of the old man from that movie Up sitting on the bench with a briefcase waiting for a bus that never arrives. Hopefully Gortons first deal will be a good one

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:23 pm EST

Make your mark Gorton, trade Hank...

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:22 pm EST

big mac will get claimed....be careful what you wish for...Gorton could be worse than Sather...if you can imagine that...he looks pretty confused in that video.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:21 pm EST

AAV 1.6M per

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:21 pm EST

John Moore to the Debbies for 3 yrs

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:20 pm EST

OOOO-Ficial: @NYRangers: OFFICIAL: Jeff Gorton has been named the 11th General Manager in #NYR franchise history.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:19 pm EST

@NYRangers: OFFICIAL: Jeff Gorton has been named the 11th General Manager in #NYR franchise history. http://t.co/nwE0Gy6Dpb

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:18 pm EST

Good for Hunwick...did a good job for us and I liked Diaz while he was here.

MelvilleFred


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:17 pm EST

God what a clown Gorton is. He missed it on Panarin, ELC to Chicago. He missed out on Plotnikov, ELC to Pittsburgh. Now he misses out on Tikhonov for 1m per to Chicago. WTF? I'd definitely think long and hard between taking like Evander Kane over Tikhonov if both had the same cap hit. Tik is a very good player, I wonder what ice time he will get in Chicago but he is real good. This is really starting to piss me off, this is a one time smorgasbord of KHL players we get and we had some freakin clown in charge who obviously is completely unaware. Sickening.

Ola


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:14 pm EST

PATDIV, JKROPP and RF4L: We should probably temper our enthusiasm as SATHER will still be President. I'm sure he will maintain just enough power to make sure that any GM in his place cannot succeed any more then he did. After all, that would taint his legacy.......

Vic


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:13 pm EST

PatrickDiv: He was requested by other teams. Well I mean talking about their GM opening. So it's not just the Rangers who value him.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:12 pm EST

WOW! Prust and a 5th to Vancouver for Kassian...

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:09 pm EST

Too bad Sather didn't announce this last Wednesday. Then maybe a first for Talbot!

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:09 pm EST

Sather- All bluster and no muster. Hopefully Gorton is as good as folks around the team say he is. All I can say is I met the guy at a hockey tourney in Stamford last year. Seemed nice enough but had the illest fitting suit on I had ever seen!

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:09 pm EST

VIC, I think we can still get Wade Redden on the cheap...

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:07 pm EST

And now Neil Smith and his unlimited checkbook can rest in peace.

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:07 pm EST

I like Fehr. Too much $$ probably...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:07 pm EST

Vic- Truly Addition By Subtraction!!!!

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:06 pm EST

This is quickly becoming the best UFA signing day in Rangers history!!!! The Rangers have no Cap room to even sign for a pair of socks and SATHER is on his way out as GM!!! Can it get any better for Ranger fans!!!!!! Yeah Baby!!!!!!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Vic


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:06 pm EST

Looks like management content with current roster.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:06 pm EST

Great- we have to deal with that nut Kassian in MTL now

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:05 pm EST

Rangers did all of their hard work on 2nd Day of Draft...

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:05 pm EST

Probably best to have sat this one out. The price tags are staggering! Stewart and Fehr still out there

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:05 pm EST

Percolating...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:04 pm EST

Rangers too cap strapped to participate today. No signs of any trades percolt either.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:03 pm EST

E: Hunnwick already did. 2 years 2.4 (1.2 per) with the Leafs.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:03 pm EST

My boy Kassian traded. Not sure where yet...

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:02 pm EST

Montreal....

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:02 pm EST

Didn't the New York Rangers try to re-sign Diaz a year ago? I guess they like that kid. Would've preferred Hunwick but Diaz is just a safety valve and Hunwick is gonna get paid...

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:02 pm EST

Hilarious... Kevin Paul Dupont @GlobeKPD Breaking: PIT petitions NHL to go full-time 3-on-3. And 14-man rosters.

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:02 pm EST

Kassian traded. Not sure where...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 1:00 pm EST

Kevin DeLury ‏@kevindelury 3m3 minutes ago Liquid hot Megna!!!! #NYR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNJU-5vCrJc …

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:59 pm EST

Here is what I feel. Kleins name has been out there...but not pushed out. So the Rangers will listen, but are not really trying to shop him hard. So a good deal comes along I think he is gone. If not oh well.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:57 pm EST

Couple minor leaugers signed. Not unexpected with the number of UFA types in Hartford and the likelihood of Lindberg and Bourque having a shot at NHL spots.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:57 pm EST

LINBLAD...These are excellent signings...Gorton rocks!

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:56 pm EST

Methinks the Diaz signing is exactly that- a replacement for Hunwick. However, with that now in place I would imagine we'd see a cap relieving D trade at some point.

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:53 pm EST

Wild. I sure hope you're right...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:53 pm EST

Rangers sign Diaz? Gorton sucks. Actually this is likely the Hunwick replacement. I am still curious to see what is going on with Klein.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:53 pm EST

I also think he wouldn't be doing this if he didn't want to. I imagine he wants no more to do with the GM daily grind...if that's true he probably won't get overly involved.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:53 pm EST

Diaz signed? Take that one and spin in it McI....

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:53 pm EST

Who IS MEGNA?

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:52 pm EST

why ?...... Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport Rangers sign former Rangers D Rafael Diaz

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:52 pm EST

RF4L: so far Sather has been a pro. Like with scouts...he fully admits he can't see enough of every player so he trusts their word and recommendations. I imagine he will put in his opinion...but let the GM duties fall on the GM with little interference

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:51 pm EST

step 1 glennie...take step 2 asap.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:50 pm EST

Get the champagne out boys and girls...4 pm party.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:50 pm EST

NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily 1m1 minute ago Rangers sign Raphael Diaz CHAMPIONSHIP

jkropp


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:50 pm EST

Wonder how much influence Sather will have as Prez....

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:49 pm EST

Account.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:49 pm EST

Yup. Unless someone hacked the Rangers official Twitter accouny

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:49 pm EST

Leafs in full rebuild mode. Acquiring picks and prospects bigtime. Nice to see....

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:48 pm EST

Rangers sign Diaz?

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:47 pm EST

@NYP_Brooksie: End of an Era: Sather to hand over GM position to Gorton while remaining as NYR president. Announcement should come this afternoon.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:47 pm EST

Piitsburgh coughing up firsts like Sather. Yikes. Will be formidable offensively but relying on a very young backline. Risky.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:47 pm EST

Biggs is a kid I'd love to be in the New York Rangers pen. I think he is gonna turn into a good bottom-6 player.

E


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:45 pm EST

The NHL is going to want a small cap increase every year if it means 3 days like the trade deadline with one also the drat and one also UFA day 1.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:43 pm EST

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Kessel, Tyler Biggs, Tim Erixon and 2nd in 2016 for Kapanen, Harrington, Spaling, 1st and 3rd picks in 2016. TOR retains $1.25M/year.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:42 pm EST

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Erixon and Biggs are also going to Pitt from Toronto in Kessel deal; Leafs retain 15 percent of Kessel salary ($1.2 M AAV a year) Pens give up a 1st and a 3rd and get a 2nd. This trade keeps expanding

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:30 pm EST

It was on Twitter but it was a fake accout (re: Semin to Penguins)

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:29 pm EST

Fake twitter account. Semin did not sign with the Pens.

evets1980


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:28 pm EST

Did the Pens get Semin as well?

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:19 pm EST

Hospo oh thanks...sorry bout that......WILD ok, thanks.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:18 pm EST

JACKMAN for 2 mill per..Good deal for a contending team..solid 3rd pairer

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:17 pm EST

yeap thats what i meant 4.5 X 5yrs. Jackman to Nashville don't they have like 10 top 6 d now.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:17 pm EST

TOR eating 15-25% of Kessels deal

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:17 pm EST

Intersting one....JACKMAN to NASHVILLE

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:16 pm EST

HAHA!---->> Kevin Paul Dupont ‏@GlobeKPD Breaking: PIT petitions NHL to go full-time 3-on-3. And 14-man rosters.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:16 pm EST

TOR also adding PA PARENTEAU....Adding alot of midling pieces

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:15 pm EST

jim...pretty sure he signs for 4-5 years....

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:13 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 49s49 seconds ago Kessel trade could be bigger hearing Spaling involved and Pitt also gets Torontos 2nd round pick.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:13 pm EST

we will get Hags back after next yrs Cali dream season @ 4.5 m for 5

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:13 pm EST

WIOSA - RICHARDSON

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:13 pm EST

td: yeah, even with taking less than market he would be 3.75-4 per at least....

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:12 pm EST

Brad Richards to the Coyotes?

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:12 pm EST

WIOSA: McIlrath is an RFA. Once he signs even f he gets sent down during camp he need to go through waivers. SO basically, they have to keep him or move him. I don't know of a team who wouldn't snag him off of waivers...a "free" young big D...not many of those out there like him.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:11 pm EST

Just a quick segue back into the HAGELIN trade...If the Flames are paying FROLIK $4.3 million over five years, what do y'all think Hags would be worth after a one-year bridge deal?

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:11 pm EST

TOR gets 1st round pick, Kapanen and Harrington for Kessel from PIT.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:10 pm EST

Does anyone know about the AHL contracts? If we don't sign or bring up Mcilrath this year does he turn into a pumpkin or something?

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:10 pm EST

Think the AVS are all done for the most part. They have a presser at 11:30 local time

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:09 pm EST

pens have like 15 guys signed and ~ 6m in cap room -good luck Rutherford.. The $ are crazy- 2.4 mill for Comeau off a 600k deal -nice bump- would have fit as 3rd line option with us as well but not that price.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:08 pm EST

chomper .....http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/01/rangers-not-major-players-in-free-agency/#sthash.wcay9h6p.dpbs

stevielegs


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:06 pm EST

KESSEL is gonna score 50 with Sydney..mark it down....without taking anything away form the next two year's teams..But they do need defense...See what they do.

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:06 pm EST

KESSEL is gonna score 50 with Sydney..mark it down....without taking anything away form the next two year's teams..But they do need defense...See what they do.

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:03 pm EST

I would have taken the Endless Chin for that kind of price. KAPENEN is legit. Harrington? Meh...just don't know how the Pens are gonna fill the rest of their roster.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:03 pm EST

OK, what's the word on what Pitt gave up for Kessel? anything good?

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:01 pm EST

CALGARY with HAMILTON and FROLIK defeientely continuing their upswing!!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:01 pm EST

Ranger47: It comes a lot of it I think because his name was out there at the draft. And if they really really feel that one of the kids will step into the top 6 that he makes too much for a 7. SO he becomes a really valuable piece to trade and get something of need. I don't think anyone really "wants" to move him. But its talked about due to the situation and all the rumors before.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:01 pm EST

47 actually I like Kevin and think he's good. Staal has a nmc, and Girardi is better IMHO.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:00 pm EST

Tell you what: I'm really happy the Rangers aren't involved in this shitshow. LOTS of bad contracts being tossed around. Hope they stay seated and that the only news is Gorton. And maybe Rick Nash getting moved for Schwartz, Fabbri and a first rounder.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:00 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ✔ @FriedgeHNIC As a @RealKyper reported, Kessel to PIT for Kapanen, Harrington and a pick

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:00 pm EST

Arizona busy getting to the floor with downie. Frolik a Flame, any word on what Pitt gave for Kessel have to guess Sutter/Kunitz at least $ wise + young guy like Bennett or Dumolin? Like Mathias, Fehr, Shep, Winnik -as one forward options although i think only Shep/Winnik would be cheap enough for Rangers- and don't think AV likes Shep so we might not see any of those guys here.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 12:00 pm EST

Kessel to PIT for Kapanen, Harrington and a pick

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:59 am EST

Ranger47 _ i think it's only people looking for Cap space....I'd rather keep him and a strong defense myself, especially with what what we have defensively after the top 4 (including him)

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:59 am EST

now they are saying NO Pouliot....still waiting for twitter to blow up with the return

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:57 am EST

I still do not get all this "move Klein" stuff. Had we not had him when we experienced all the D injuries earlier in the season we would have been in big trouble. No reason to think we won't have some of that this year as well. And, IMHO, had Klein not gotten hurt earlier in (before?) the POs and he had recovered to the point of being more than moderately healthier, I think the ECF might have gone our way. Yes, we need more scoring, but the D is our strength and I do not want to see us dismantling it short of trading Boyle.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:57 am EST

Kessel to the Pens....

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:57 am EST

Pouliot and a first possibly part of it

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:56 am EST

DOWNIE to COYOTE...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:56 am EST

KESSEL a Pen. Can't wait to see how they do this. Talk a out a one-line team...

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:56 am EST

KESSEL to PENGUINS!!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:55 am EST

Kessel to pens

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:55 am EST

prices are crazy high - Edmonton paying hefty for free agents to join them. 4 yrs for Paul Martin wow..good for Hunwick- good guy-did solid job for us. .Don't believe AV will give MCi a real chance unfortunately -hope he plays through it and i am wrong.How about Ryan Stanton- bigger more physical type or Barbiero to replace him as 6-7-8 otherwise we have Champ Summers..

jim9k26


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:55 am EST

Well, it that's the only way the Rangers can improve today, it's very apropro timing and it needs to be done..get some young blood in there

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:53 am EST

Boomer saying its a new GM being announced...but we shall see

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:52 am EST

Rangers presser at 4 today. LOTS of rumblings that its about the GM position. Or maybe just a lot of hopeful people.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:52 am EST

W: Yep. But gotta give to get. Plus more cap space.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:51 am EST

Hospo: I am with you but fostering KK's value is that cap hit certainty. The $ for the available Dmen is staggering!!!

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:49 am EST

RF4L yeah, another heart and soul core guy. Really hesitant to deal him...Im liking Staal, but I think NN said he just got a NMC, so Im leaning toward klein, and maybe bring up either Mcillrath or SKjei (?sp)

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:49 am EST

BLAKE COMEAU to the AVS...3 years looks like 2.4 aav

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:47 am EST

JFC, Were not crazy ...6 teams reportedly in a bidding war for Joel Ward, offering a 4 year. I wanted 2 for 2. Oh well.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:47 am EST

WIOSA. I like G. A lot. But need a top 6 forward and/or more grit up front. Gotra free up cap space to address that. And the backline is the team's strength.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:46 am EST

WOW, OI:LERS also signed LETESTU--replacement for GORDON

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:45 am EST

SEKERA with a very Staal/Girardi like 6 year 5.5 mil contract...Hey, the going rate

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:45 am EST

Wow. $5,500,000 for 6 years for Sekera. Geeesh.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:44 am EST

TD the word Dump does wreak of a 'panic move' ...I don't think it was that...but we both agree, it was a fiscal move. I think they just said they were interested in Etem for years...the Ducks had to overhear them mention Hagelin for them to even discuss the guy. BUT...I think in time Etem will work out...key words 'in time' as I want something NOW.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:44 am EST

Piece of shit 4th liner Joel WARD seems to have 6 teams fighting over him for a four year contract......COMEAU to AVALANCHE

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:41 am EST

All things considered, I'd keep KLEIN....unless the Rangers really really think Big Mac is ready

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:41 am EST

RF4L: That is the first I have ever heard even whispers of any problems like that with young players. Most of the stuff was the opposite...in fact they have pictures where MSL stayed late after practice to work with a couple of the kids....so of all the things I could have imagined...that would not be one of them.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:41 am EST

RF4L seriously? What don't you like about Girardi?

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:41 am EST

WIOSA - obviously, finances were a part of it. If there was no cap, Hags would still be a Ranger. But the reality is, he's gonna command a payday...and either you pay him now or you pay him later. Word was Hags was going to sign a bridge deal for $2.66 mill per. But then he'd be a UFA next season and command a much more lucrative deal...at a time when the Rangers are going to be resigning HAYES and KREIDER to deals...so yeah, I'm not stupid enough to say Hags wasn't about the money...and let's get something clear too: I think he's worth every penny of what he's getting paid. And I think he IS worth $3 mill per. But more? That's tough. He's not Zuccarello. In fact, he's not as skilled as anyone on our top two lines so there in lies the issue. The right deal came along at the right time...when they were looking to move up to grab GROPP...an with the right player...they'd been interested in ETEM for some time, according to the brass...an under the right circumstances. Calling this deal "a dump" is ignoring everything except the financial pressures on the Rangers an that's just not accurate in any stretch of the imagination.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:40 am EST

Quasimodo to the Rangers for standard contract and a guarantee that he can reside in St Patricks Cathedral....

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:40 am EST

Pundits up here keep.saying the Oil need a veteran defensive defenseman who can play top pairing minutes. Sather get off your fossilized ass and send Girardi over there....

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:40 am EST

MARTIN to the Sharks and SEKERA to the OIL...

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:39 am EST

PatrickDiv - I'd rather have Klein (depending on the trade cost) just don't think Beachimin is worthless and can help teams with cap space

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:37 am EST

Pat. Yes and apparently the Hawks are front runners...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:36 am EST

Doug Maclean saying MSL was a problem in Tampa with the young players and himted similar stuff happened in NY. If true WTF? Why trade for him? Makes that stuoid deal even stupider.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:35 am EST

I totally buy off on vet leadership but again, Would you rather have Beauchemin for AAV of 4.5M for 3 yrs on an over 35 contract or KK?

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:32 am EST

Seems V. Tikhonov is looking to come back to the NHL as well

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:23 am EST

Just about the only guys on the UFA market I'd want are guys who didn't get qualifying offers...one guy who would be a very nice addition to replace Glass is Patrice CORMIER. Been calling for him for years...would sign minor league contracts to Calgary's John RAMAGE, former wall darling Scott GLENNIE, Keith AULIE, former Isle Thomas HICKEY, Pen bust TANGRADI, and Riley NASH....would resign Chris BOURQUE and James SHEPPARD...minor interest in FEHR, just because he almost killed Crosby and I respect that, STOLL and RICHARDS.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:22 am EST

AVS paid 4.5 for 3 years...

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:22 am EST

Good for Hunwick,,,a good guy

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:20 am EST

RF4L: I think he deserves a good raise. Was better than his salary last year, and better than fill in guy. And he did all that but never did I even have the feeling he was unhappy. He was a good team mate and kept working hard all year.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:18 am EST

Good for Hunwick. I don't care that he's gone but seems like a good guy who gets for what he has to offer decent $$.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:13 am EST

HUINWICK to TOR and BEAUCH to COL....

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:13 am EST

this lady on NHL network is a tool....rangers "let one of their D slip away" LOL....

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:12 am EST

Drew...autocorrect...typed leafs and must have fat fingers my phone....

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:12 am EST

oh sorry it looks like you said "lets" as in Rangers.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:11 am EST

Wild - Leafs signed him

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:11 am EST

1.2 mil per...he doubled is slaray

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:10 am EST

Lets sign Hunwick...2 years

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:05 am EST

it's 12:05 - no signings - Gorton asleep at the wheel.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 11:05 am EST

TD I don't happen to be a big critic of Sathers...now 7 years ago? Yeah, but recently the man has put a pretty damn good team on the ice. If you see who Im pulling for, it's Joel Ward, not someone that would be in our future...I want another run at the cup. Look, Im pragmatic...we were a cup team this year...a bounce here, and injury there, and the whole picture is different. On another site I argue with those who claim we were lucky to make to the ECF, hell no we weren't. ..we belonged there, and the SCF. We were a cup team. Are we still? I dunno, who's our competition. in the world of sports, we both know you cannot stand pat, unless your competition is. I feel Hags was a cap move because when given the opportunity Gordon did not say "he's a great player but we're going in another direction" he said "hes a great guy, played good for us, but unfortunately yada, yada, contracts etc." it was a fiscal decision, whether he was paid too much or not. It wasn't a performance issue, nor were they after Etem, unless the Ducks GM is lying. This is not a sign of horrible management btw, it is a reality in a hard cap world. We ran our cap to the max gambling on a cup, if we had won one, nobody would've questioned a move. We didn't, now we have to either rebuild, or retool or tweak. Other than a total rebuild, the cap affects how we move forward. Just - as always - MHO

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:57 am EST

RF4L - fixed....Ducks have $20,000,000:in cap space....Gorton sucks...just kidding with you. --Jim cerny

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:53 am EST

Ill even revise my cap space for next year down to 16-17 mil. So a cap increase less than this year.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:53 am EST

PatrickDiv - I've seen him play both good and bad over the past year..As a 6th D-man and vet presence for a good team looking to add depth or a young team looking for teaching/experience..the guy still has value or professional from 5 teams wouldn';t be bidding on him, fans like us be damned

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:48 am EST

Hospo: I totally get the experience component but the dude is slow as $#!t...

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:48 am EST

RF4L: SO next year when a bunch of RFAs hit ANA (Kessler and half their D are not signed past this upcoming season) and if the Rangers do end up with what I estimate 18-19 mil in cap space I hope you are going to point out how terrible the Ducks are with cap management and how great the Rangers are for having near 20 mil in space.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:44 am EST

WIOSA - but did it ever occur to you that Hags was traded with a long term vision in mind? Look, I'm no Sather apologist, but I'm really tired of the chorus here of people bitching about how screwed the Rangers are and how bad a cap manager Sather is when in fact he's juggled the cap well enough that he's brought the team to the conference finals twice and the cup finals once in a span of four years. The criticism simply doesn't match the results...and one other thing: who's to say he didn't try to package Hags and TALBOT for a first rounder? Look at what the Bruins traded just to get in the MIDDLE of the first round. As much as we all like Hags, he wasn't/isn't in the same stratosphere as LUCIC...and he islanders who were getting stroked off here ended up trading a fourth overall for a chance at 16th. I realize there's a lo of emotion here and that's fine. But don't mistake emotion for reality, which is we won't know what the Rangers were thinking until all the pieces land. We may never know...

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:42 am EST

PatrickDiv - Pretty simple, Beachmin is a UFA, only dollars...And contrary to what you read on here often, the people that really know hockey know that vet defenseman of 34-36 (not all, but some)can still be valuable contributors in the league and not only kids can play..

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:42 am EST

Hunwick is getting paid...5 teams are interested

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:42 am EST

Rishaug notes there are 5 teams interested in Hunwick. Too bad we dont operate likr other teams and traded his rights when we had them. Ciggy chomp sux

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:40 am EST

Anyone know what the heck Pitt even has on the cupboard to trade for Kessel? Kypreos reporting that a deal likleyhood is picking up speed

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:38 am EST

I cannot understand all the supposed interest in an old Beauchemin. KK must be of more value as a player and for cap certainty than that relic

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:37 am EST

Ducks have $20,000,000:in cap space....Sather sucks...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:37 am EST

If ANA discussions are serious we need to target that LW Ritchie. Big body, big shot..I just lit a candle at church that we at least trade Glass today

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:34 am EST

There are questions within the Sabres organization as to whether or not Cody Hodgson is even an NHL player anymore. I know it's hard to judge a player on a team that bad, but he was completely terrible. Arguably the worst defensive forward in the NHL . . . and he only scored six goals. Not a good combination.

Fivehole


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:32 am EST

Wild - we'll see. I am not so sure a major change is best now anyway (I think we are agreeing here) so I new voice with the same team concept and philosophy could be the tweak needed. Time will tell. I am definately anxious to see how other teams fare in free agency. Also, I am wondering if Klein is moved and would be thrilled if they could move Glass.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:30 am EST

NO to either SEMIN or HODGSON...Semin just not a Ranger player IMWO...Also don't think HODGSON is a risk to be takiing now after how was horrific he was last year-

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:28 am EST

Drew: No...but I think the basic idea of what they are doing is right on. Minor adjustments are needed to the idea they are using...the speed and skill game will become more pronounced in the NHL and will become more part of the Post season as well I am sure. Will that be now or in 5 years is the question...however, with a different final call on things we may see different outcomes of trades. Maybe Gorton would have jumped at the first deal he thought was good and not been so patient like Sather may have tried to be to go back and talk to the other bidding teams....or whatever may have happened. Or his style will be slightly different in negotiating and he may be able to talk guys into a bit more. A change may be good just for the shake up.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:24 am EST

Rumor of Ducks and Rangers talking again.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:24 am EST

Hodgson or Semin on a one year Pouliot contract

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:23 am EST

Wild - to be honest - not much would change. The team concept and philiosphy will remain and whether that is good or bad, I'll let you guys debate that. I am only speculating anyway. The big signings need to be occur before the Rangers can go bargain basement shopping. I think August is when this roster will be more or less when the roster takes shape.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:20 am EST

Anyone interested in taking a flyer on Cody Hodgson?

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:20 am EST

Drew: Ok with that. But I think they would want to pick a day in the middle of August...just to be the only team in the spotlight. LOL

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:19 am EST

That Dri(whateverhisnameis) kid from the Oilers is a guy that the NHL network guys think may have to be moved to shore up the back end if they can't sign a Dman.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:18 am EST

The Rangers in lieu of a free agent signing, will probably announce Gorton as the new GM, just to make a headline.

DREW


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:12 am EST

RF4L: Thats a guy the AVS want as well.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:11 am EST

JFC: I never said his agent lied...in fact I stated otherwise. He agent didn't lie. Hags didn't lie. There were no negotiations. HOWEVER Agents just send stuff to every team about every RFA and UFA that they have on each team. If the Rangers looked at it and thought "wow, thats starting a lot higher than we thought" they wont insult him by offering him half of what he is asking. For some reason you can't get ahold of what I am saying. No Negotiating, exactly what Hags said. But there is always info passed near the end of the season....every team sends stuff out, and agents send stuff in. Thats why at the end of the season there are rumors about team A doesn't want to bring player X back, or they do want to. Than numbers guys are looking for come out, but teams say negotiations haven't started yet or they haven't been talking with agents yet. OFFICIAL negotiations don't start until after info sharing like "yes we want your client back" and "this is who I tihnk my client compares to"

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:08 am EST

Oil targeting Sejkera...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:07 am EST

Trade: I think there would be a dozen team who would look at Klein as a guy to add....now the issue really is, where does Sather NOT want to trade him, do they really want to see him a bunch in PIT or with the Flyers? They would rather sent him out west I am sure. At the same time its out west that most reams seem to be looking for D. The AVS are looking, and have a list...AVS fans are calling for Moore....they would be better off giving with a trade for Klein...would be on their top 4 easily....they could do both actually I am sure Moore will not cost much, so they could improve their D with a cheap signing and a decent trade. Not sure what they could give...or who...but they are a team I look at as a trade parter wanting D.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:04 am EST

Wild -- you're "100% certain"? Why? 100%? You basically claim that maybe Hags is wrong because his agent LIED? His agent lied about receiving a request from management? He just decided not to tell his client? He'd risk his license to practice law/be an agent by withholding information from a client? Really? You make it sound like you're an 'insider' who KNOWS what happened and you have no clue, just conjecture or what you think is an educated guess. When someone simply posts that Hags was shocked that the Rangers never negotiated, he is being truthful.....it's a FACT. If it wasn't, the Rangers brass would refute that IMMEDIATELY. Why didn't they? They don't want to be seen as the bad guys so,they would,have said Hags was mistaken, we tried to figure out how to get it done but their demands were just too high and we saw way we'd be able to reach an agreement. Gorton said NOTHING OF THE KIND....he was right there in from of the camera with the a il its to spin it. Any way he wanted and he made NO MENTION of what Hags was asking.....NONE..just that they were cap crunched and someone had to go and it was Hags. But you're 100% sure you knw what went on behind the scenes and it differs from what came straight out of a representative of the Rangers mouth and the player himself.

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:01 am EST

PatrickDiv - Don't agree with the Damage part but we likely stand pretty pat for another close but no cigar year.....As for trading Glass and KK, can't see too many people wanting Glass..and trading KK is a risk given that two of our defenseman are already Boyle and Yandle and a 3rd would be a rookie Big Mac (if ready) or Summers..That's not how a team that prides itself on defense will succeed...JMWO...If they trade KK, Big Mac really better be ready to play and take the pressure

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:00 am EST

PatrikDiv: I think Klein may stile moved. But it doesn't have to be today. There will be some GM scrambling once the dust of UFA D has settled, and that GM will overpay for him. In fact there may be 3 or 4 teams without a Dman they wanted.....if thats the case Klein will be a hot commodity. Also, we are wondering who would be a 7th D, well a 7th Dman who is cheep may be part of the return, and then there would be room for a kid on D, and a forward would probably come back for Klein. Unless Sather uses the Klein cap (plus maybe Glass cap) to sing a UFA (if trades happened soon enough) and Klein would bring back prospects/picks. Lots of options...just don't know what the Rangers are thinking. And what they think and feel could change dramatically if they get a call offering a really good trade...

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 10:00 am EST

Its amazing how other teams property fetches top booty in return but a guy like KK is considered mince meat. Where can u find a top 4 d-men, tough when needed and a team player, with some offensive upside with a good contract? If the Rangers are gonna pay the other 5 D-men top dollar (McD, Staal, Girardi, Yandle, Boyle)......then you have to move a guy like KK to bring more potential scoring into the top 6 of the offense. So the oilers have 800 prospects and top tier drafted talent.....They already bent Sather over on the Talbot deal......now give us the common courtesy of a reach around with a taste of a egotistical lazy head case in Yak.....and let him become butt buddies with Buch next year

TradeStar28


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:57 am EST

WIOSA: Sure it has to do with the CAP, but it doesn't mean that if they had more cap space they would want to give him 3.5+ per, maybe they feel his ceiling is 3....and even if they had 5 mil in space left over after everyone else was signed this season, they wouldn't want to pay him more than 3 for more than 1 year. So yes a cap problem, but every team has those problems if they are being smart, if they just pay to keep guys they like, than they will have real cap problems later, or have to eat some of a deal to get rid of it. Regardless of the cap space, teams assign cap numbers to players that some teams will not go over, just like internal budgets that care little about the cap but about actual salary each fiscal year.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:54 am EST

Our cap is about as tight as Chris Christies Baseball Uniform Camel toe. Ciggy Chomp needs to move Glass & KK. He cant move anyone else without doing more damage than he already has

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:52 am EST

Trade- From your keyboard to Slats' ciggy!!! Then I'd go out and try to sign Fehr or Stewart on an affordable hit if possible.

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:52 am EST

Wild thanks for the information on McCillrath, didn't know about that.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:52 am EST

WIOSA - too funny!

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:50 am EST

Send KK and Glass to the Oil for Yak.......Please

TradeStar28


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:50 am EST

Hospo I know this is mean, but how apropos is it that he re-signed with the PREDATORS

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:48 am EST

Wild the Rangers clear out stated they wanted Hags, but unfortunately had too many players to sign. We view that as a cap problem, you and TD view it as they are saying they paid too much for him. Either way ...even if they did pay too much for him (the Ducks apparently don't agree) it was a Cap problem, not a performance problem or a player they coveted and regrettably had to trade Hags for .

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:47 am EST

WIOSA: Every team has sent qualifying offers to every RFA. If they chose not to that RFA became a UFA...well will be at noon. And McIlrath had s larger entry level deal, so it stands to reason he will get slightly more. And his Qualifying offer is larger to start with....and that's the negotiating floor.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:46 am EST

The Molester re-signing with Nash on a 2 year/3.5 mill per contract....

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:44 am EST

WIOSA: you are right. But if Hags agent didn't send stuff in that would be so out of the norm for what agents do as "housekeeping" type work it would be insane. And Hags should fire him....like now.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:44 am EST

Ducks already sent qualifying offers to their RFA for this season...good way to manage your bucks. They are definitely cup contenders. Boston saying they are NOT rebuilding, wonder if he kept a straight face when he said that....CBJ if healthy, with another year of experience under their belt, and the signing of Saad - great or not he's pretty good and has cup experience - 2 of them for that matter (Jayzus I hate the Hawks) make the CBJ better than last season. Where they'll be ? Dunno, who's their competition? Ward 2 for 2 sounds good to me. NHL.com has him ranked as a player ANY team can use - for the right price. Doubt he'll take 2 for 2 though. Miller I have a lot of hope for. MF is it you who keeps posting signing McCillrath at 1.25 and Miller and Fast at 1 ??? How is that working McC is an unproven AHLer, Miller and Fast have earned their stripes...or stripe as it may be.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:43 am EST

JFC: I didn't say that. Not even close. I said that those emailed go out. Every team does it. Every year. Every agent every year tells the team. Yes we are interested or no we are not. If it's yes they will send a few comparable players contract basics to set the tone. That's where all those rumors before the season is done come from. This is all real life stuff. So there may have been no negotiations. But the Rangers may have seen those comparable players and thought there was no way to get to where they were comfortable, and even if they had more cap space they may have had a limit for him...teams do that all the time. I'm not making an excuse. It's just how things go. People want to go all crazy and act like the Rangers didn't want him and the like. What I just described is normal...there don't have to be negotiations to know if you have no shot. Again. Just because I'm not bashing the Rangers doesn't mean I love everything about moving Hags, nor does it tell Anything of what I think. But reality is what I look at, and if I don't know I won't make up the rest.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:39 am EST

Impress me Sather, TRADE NASH and/or STEPAN....Please...ANd, at the least, please get a C/W that can WIN FO"s

Hospo


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:35 am EST

Surveyors = sure you're

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:34 am EST

Wild unless you are Sather, or Hags agent you are not 100% sure....

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:33 am EST

Hags absolutely was a cap dump. The Rangers needed to make cap room. They knew that even a MINIMUM increase for Hags was going to have I privations for signing other players they felt were more integral to,the success of the team. So, Hags became the sacrificial lamb. What's somhard to,understand about that? If he was going into,then3rd year of a 4 year contract at his current salary, would he have been traded? Much, much less likely. The CAP caused him to be traded. Wild -- guy, you really need to stop,coming up,with excuses for EVERYTHING that Rangers management does. Hags said the Rangers did not negotiate with him. You react to that FACT by saying you're sure Satherbor some Rangers rep must have sent an email asking what he's looking for and maybe he didn't respond. C'mon man, just stop. By responding to fact, with a made-up scenario that attempts to DEFEND the Rangers brass, you invite what you get thrown at you by others....that you're an outrageous apologist for,Rangers brass. Why the need to ALWAYS come up with some counter argument for every instance when someone comments about something to do,with Rangers management? Are you surveyors not on their payroll like those bloggers who corporations pay to go on the Internet and make positive comments about? Really.

JFC31


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:16 am EST

This is why I hate writers like Brooks. About Miller "he has to play for his qualifying offer or not play" is what the Rangers are saying. Really. So if his agent said we want a two year 1.9 mil deal they wouldn't find a way to come up with 100k or so extra in cap this year and have him cheap again next? Please Brooks. Stop with the bs trying to get a frenzy going.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:12 am EST

RF4L: didn't mean to imply you said that. Just that people acting like that put "there" and I don't think the Jackets are better. I think their top line is. But overall I think the forward lines just took a step back. If they don't do more up front they will be a 1-1/2 line team with a bunch of guys who while good players are not top 6.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:05 am EST

TD. I view the Hags trade as a salary dump. You don't. Who cares anyways? We can and should agree to disagree.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:03 am EST

Nn. Re Green to the Oil. Good call...

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 9:02 am EST

Wild. Either you simply don't understand many of my posts or you're itching fora quarrel - where did I say the BJs were good/great/cup contenders? I said I think the Saad deal makes them better. They finished where? 22nd overall? They have a lot of getting better room there. 2 top 6 forwards and a bunch of Bottom 6ers - I am not too worried about them. Yet.

RF4L


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:51 am EST

WIOSA: discussing / negotiating is different that letting a team know what your looking for. Sather said he had heard from every agent but hadn't started negotiations yet, that was like 2-3 days after the playoffs ended for the Rangers. Hags said he was shocked because they hadn't discussed a contract. Well if his agent was starting 2 mil above what they wanted to sign him for or twice as long there was no way they could get near their maxes they set aside for him. You are obsessed with proving something that isn't there. Hags agent I am 100% certain had told the Rangers what he was thinking heading into a new contract. 100% certain. Probably while the Rangers were still playing. That's normal. Agents don't care what's going on hockey wise, they have s job to do all year long. Hags wasn't lieing, more was his agent. It's semantics...

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:18 am EST

Wild, Hags said he was shocked, and that his agent had not discussed his contract with the Rangers. Now maybe hes lying, or maybe his agent is lying, or maybe you are having a problem saying 'hey guys, wow, I was wrong, guess we didn't have enough cap space to sign them all.' It's easy and for the record, you would not be saying that to me, as I didn't know or say one way or another whether there was enough cap space,

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:17 am EST

I am expecting the Oilers to sign Green as their big FA .

DOUBLEN


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:14 am EST

Hospo I was a left wing tyrant (you know the kind) dictatorically demanding the puck!

Nick


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:08 am EST

Rishaug reporting the Oil are seeking a top 4 Dman...KK anyone?

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 1 2015 8:05 am EST

WIOSA: Hags said they haven't really tried to negotiate or send an offer. But the Rangers and his agent spoke I am 100% positive, probably some time during the playoffs. I'm sure it was short Sather saying, we'll probably some office puke actuality sending an email on behalf of the org and probably a form letter to all the agents of RGAS/UFAs they want to keep saying "please let us know what your looking for" if Hags agent came back with 6 years 4.25 aav than it would be tough to get him down low enough.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:48 am EST

I still expect the NYR to move Klein to make room for a young D. There is some talk about SJ.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:46 am EST

TD semantics unfortunate but we have a few players to sign is a nice way of saying "we couldn't afford him with our Cap situation" For whatever reason, and no I don't think Hags is overpaid, they got rid of him to free up cap space. Obviously the Ducks don't think he was overpaid either. As for what he was going to get? Wouldve been nice if the Rangers had even contacted his agent to find out what he would take. They didntl Everything was relevant to the team Hags was someone we needed as well. Will Chicago forgo a cup because of Saad? No ,but they have to find someone to make up his points and play...they just made into the SCF against the Ducks...who coincidentally just added a PK specialist and speed demon who deterred quite a few icing calls with his speed. But I digress. As for Cam, no he wasn't a Cap dump, he was supposed to be packaged with a player for a top 6 forward.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:38 am EST

Vic - I wish you were right, but I wouldn't be so sure of that. A lot of you are forgetting where this team was last year with its cap...and yet they still managed to pull in a bunch of UFAs.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:38 am EST

WIOSA - Gorton never said anything about a 'cap dump'...He said they 'have a number of different players to sign' and admitted trading him was tough...which is true...but again, you can't be paying a third-line player in excess of $3 million...just doesn't work in today's NHL...very few of the top teams are doing that...you need to fill those spots with either solid young players or journeymen willing to work for less...Hags was neither of those things...he was a good core player but due to make far more than the Rangers could pay him...that's all Gorton said. Again, a 'cap dump' is what is happening with the Bruins and now Chicago. Those are KEY top-line players that NO team wants to trade being moved...Hags? Yeah, key player...indispensable? Hell no. I don't think there's anyone here who would argue that...again, you guys bitching about the cap put me in the awkward position of pointing out Hags' limitations...but believe it or not, he had them in spades...he wasn't and I don't believe he ever will be a top scorer or exceed 20 goals...doesn't and never did have the finish...and he scores the goals he does net by being such a strong skater...well...that's not going to last forever. The Rangers moved Hags because they didn't see him as a long-term option...and whether that was because of his cost or because they simply don't project him to get any better than he already is...well, you'll need to ask that...but cap dump? No. Not in the least. No more of a 'cap dump' than TALBOT was.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:28 am EST

Wildcard - While I'm not going to call Columbus a cup favorite, I've been saying for well over a year now that they're a franchise on the move. They got screwed with injuries last year and it's really one of the few reasons they didn't make the playoffs. They have a whole bunch of hurt in the lineup already...and a lot more on the way. Drafting WERENSKI was huge for them...probably bigger than getting SAAD in the long run...And their D...long a source of ire...is about to turn the corner in a big way...Even the kid they got back from Chicago is solid. I expect them to be a top-four team in the east next season. Barring ridiculous injuries, they'll be in the playoffs next season. Maybe even among the top seeds...and BTW...just an indicator of how deep their farm is, you don't shed players like DANO and REILLY with a shrug.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:27 am EST

TD c'mon Hags was a cap dump,,,Gorton said it was. Was it enough? Hell no...if they had dumped Nash instead it still wouldn't have been enough. But it was still a cap dump. If we had enough cap room, Hags would be here, Cam and MSL's salary along with the annual increase, would've allowed us a top six forward. Was it Gorton or Gordon.??? One of them sells fish. Anyroad, my .02 on the Saad situation is that it is EXACTLY like the Cam situation. How good will Cam be with a middle of the road, or less than stellar defense, instead of the best D in the league? Same with Saad, how good is he with 2nd line Center instead of world class linemates ? We shall see...

WIOSA


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:19 am EST

One good thing about July 1st this year is that the Rangers will be complete spectators. Even after the HAGS deal the Rangers don't have a penny to spend on UFAs without moving another roster player. That means no GREEN, no WARD, no FEHR, no MOORE(2), no STEMNIAK(2), no RICHARDS(2). Thank God!!!!

Vic


Wed Jul 1 2015 7:08 am EST

Can any poster with a legal bent tell me if I can subscribe to a Rangers only package with Direct TV after the recent class action suit won by fans.

gene_carr


Wed Jul 1 2015 6:55 am EST

RF4L - dude, you're like a broken record. Address my questions, don't just keep yelling that you're right. A "cap dump" is not freeing up $1.5-$2 million in space. And truth be know you have no idea how much "space" they freed up until Hags signs. So pardon me if I'm not buying your a-ha line. There were far easier options to relieve this alleged cap stress that would have brought greater returns. And yet you ignore them. Look, I dig your schtick: you don't like Sather and you don't like the makeup of the Rangers. Doesn't mean a whole lot of anecdotal evidence is truth.

tdchi


Wed Jul 1 2015 5:45 am EST

RF4L/Brooks: so how is CBus supposed to be so much better while being weaker at C and with their 2nd line. They have a great first line now...than a 2B. They are not as balanced as they were last year.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 1 2015 3:27 am EST

Lindberg was actually at the top of the SHL in face-offs, could even have ended his last year at the top I don't remember. But, there is a fundamental difference since you cannot kick the puck back in the SHL like you can in the NHL. I think he will become great at face offs in the NHL. It's about focus and mindset and reflexes, he obviously has them. But I am sure it will take a bit for him to adjust. Early on he was avg on FOs in HFD.

Ola


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:22 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2015/06/30/arizona-coyotes-to-move-to-las-vegas-under-new-owner/

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:16 pm EST

Moof it's moot

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:10 pm EST

DoubleN..... It's moot whether or not he's allowed to cross the border. He hasn't been charged with anything yet and it's a relatively minor offense.. This is purely a matter of LA/Lombardi wanting to get out of paying him his contract, nothing more. Unless he turns out to be the 2nd coming of drug kingpin Tony Montana, they are on the hook for the money owed to him. Deadspin put it best: "they didn’t terminate Jarret Stoll’s contract after he was arrested for possession of ecstasy and coke, or Slava Voynov’s contract after he was arrested for domestic violence." They also didn't have his awful contract.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:10 pm EST

Stevie: It's past your bedtime

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:09 pm EST

Moof does mrs Moof know what you're pulling and bickering around?

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:03 pm EST

MF - All a little far fetched to me, mainly becasue I think MZA (injury) and Glass(Glass) are just untradeable right now..But, hey, keep the fire burning because you never know..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:57 pm EST

Hospo, naturally I think we can win with my proposal... may need a legit #2 center though

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:57 pm EST

MF - It better not be for your sake..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:56 pm EST

you gotta really think MILLER is about ready to bust through big time to make an offer sheet for the guy and give up those picks...I don't see it except for a team that thinks it's close..MAYBE PITT because of the hometown thing

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:55 pm EST

Hey, this ain't Sather's pud we're talking here! ;-)

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:53 pm EST

mf - I keep telling you, that things gonna fall off with all the rosterbating you do! but it beats bickering!

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:53 pm EST

JFC: we may have to let him go & take the picks...... it won't be so terrible..... after I trade Stepan & Zucc for JVR (a Bob Favorite) & Kessel, me thinks we're gonna need a center....

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:49 pm EST

Ah good, the late night shift is coming on... Here's the scoop boys: We trade Stepan & Zucc to Toronto for JVR & Kessel... Toronto eats $1mill of Kessels salary for the term of his contract.... We'd then have $5.85 mill to sign Sheppard, McIlrath, Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Etem.... it would be close..... However, if we trede T. Glass too, we have $7,300,000 in cap space and we could sign Sheppard $1.25mill, McIlrath $1.25mill, Miller $1mill, Fast $1mill, Lindberg to $800K Trade Etem, and try to sign Chris Stewart to a 1 yr deal at $2mill or less........ I'm just a bit concerned with how the center position is going to pan out.........

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:43 pm EST

More appropriate..It's a Saad Saaad Saad World..Make for a great movie!

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:43 pm EST

JFC: All true but so far, the reality of offer sheets lives with the writers who love to ramp up the drama. When is the last offer sheet? I cannot recall. 5 years ago maybe? Fabulous fiction....reality? Not so much....

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:42 pm EST

I'm with JFC on SAAD..Good player..best of the three in the deal..but not by far,...and hasn't done anything fantastic AND has done it with 2 super linemates and the best team in the NHL..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:41 pm EST

It's a Saad Saad situation....and it's getting more and more obsurd. It's Saad, so Saad, why can't we talk it over? Oh it seems to me that sorry seems to be the hardest word.

JFC31


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:39 pm EST

There's trouble a brewin'! http://nypost.com/2015/06/30/the-biggest-free-agency-concern-for-cap-stressed-rangers If someone puts in an offer sheet for Miller, we are gonna be cash strapped and scrambling to get our roster together without depending on youngsters who may be ready but not for,the kind of roles they'd be forced to play. Looks like the cap era is taking away the restraints and the unwritten rule among GMs that you don't try to poach each other's players with offer sheets. Money scarcity is creating a more cut throat approach by some GMs.

JFC31


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:38 pm EST

Bicker!! It's hilarious

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:36 pm EST

It's a Saad Saad situation .................

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:36 pm EST

JFC: I think your take on Saad is wrong. We shall see, however. soon enough....

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:34 pm EST

And the Saad deal - IMO it's because the BJs have one legitimate top 6 forward and are desperate to add another. Saad, IMO, is another. This trade makes the BJs better. How better remains to be seen of course.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:33 pm EST

Are we gonna bicker or try to win a Cup?

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:30 pm EST

Wild/Cerny: I will give you this - at times your sarcasm on here is quite amusing; I wish you'd display at least a smidgen of that feistiness on your Blueshirts United offerings - those are sickening sweet dude....

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:22 pm EST

JFC, I don't say CLB is gonna be a powerhouse now. I just think Saad is a great talent, at 22 years old. Sure he had great linemates. Now, if the great Hags lights it up with Perry or Getzlaf or Kesler, I hope folks here will remember the linemate theory. :-)

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:22 pm EST

TD: The Hagelin move was motivated by the need to dump salary and you were one of the more vocal on here that there is/was no cap issues. And like your bro Wild, you are never wrong so of course turning things around like you are attempting to do is expected. Sooooooooo....whatever...

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:50 pm EST

Unless 2 teams from the East are going to go back to the West; the expansion will be in the West. They might save Quebec City or Toronto 2 for relocation.Right now their is no arena in Seattle; Portland has the arena but really no interest unless Paul Allen wants to put up$500 million for an expansion team. Vegas is the 41st ranked TV market; only market smaller is Buffalo.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:43 pm EST

If the NHL is going to expand to 32 teams, I hope Canada gets a good look.... The seven Canadian franchises in population order are: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Winnipeg.. Quebec City actually has a slightly larger population than Win-a-pig, and Hamilton Ontario (where have you gone HHH? :-) has just 1000 less folks than Winnipeg.... A good night of partying and Hamilton could overtake Winnipeg in 10 short months...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_100_largest_population_centres_in_Canada

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:42 pm EST

Nick -- who did Brandon Saad have as line mates? Two future Hall of Famers....Toews and Hossa. Doesn't get much better than that, along with the fact that the whole team was championship calibre. What will he do when he's not playing with Hall of Fame line mates? He sure as shit ain't gonna be this unstoppable force that suddenly turns CBJ into the beast of the east. His impact is being overblown. He's a nice player until he proves he can do it without the superb talent he was surrounded by.

JFC31


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:25 pm EST

Quick rumors about Arizone moving to Vegas quickly shot down by NHL and those who think no way would they give up 500 mil + in expansion fees. Speaking of expansion. I think if only 3 cities put their hat in , Quebec City, Vegas and Seattle (may be two groups for two different locations in Seattle) that Quebec City will have almost zero shot. Reason? The Canadian Dollar. The NHL makes more on each US team due to the exchange rate, a Canadian team needs to make more to over come that right now like 1.20-1.25 for ever 1.00 made in the USA. With two (at least) bigger markets (TV and population size) in the U.S. I can't imagine the NHL goes to a city that people still remember losing an NHL team already.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:20 pm EST

WIOSA: Yes USA is onto the Finals. Sunday. Against the winner of Japan vs England

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:18 pm EST

Good Going USA!!! They beat Germany 2-0 (what is it about that score?) and are onto the finals..(I think ) World Cup Soccer confuses me.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:11 pm EST

TD, good to hear. RF4L gave me the link to an article as well. It seemed more encouraging. I know nothing of the minors, I really don't follow them. So I have to weigh all the different views on the draft.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:07 pm EST

TDCHI - FEHR took almost 900 face offs last year, far from a "situational" basis..A natutral wing who can also play Center and win FO's..The Rangers could do a hell of alot worse if that's how they go....We couldn't disagree more on Joel Ward, but he ain't coming here so no use in arguing about it.....Where we do agree is that SAAD ain't all that and a bag of chips and the HAWKS got two pretty good players in AA and especially the very fast DANO..WOuld /Maybe could have done better without the cap implications......As for LINDBERGER, I liked him in the AHL..seemed ready for the NHL..but just seem like another little smart and nice little player that won't hurt you but never be much of an impact...He;ll get his chance this year

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:03 pm EST

RHET: From reading everything that has been made available, it seems that with the border incident, it would seem that Richards might not be able to cross the border.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:02 pm EST

No one even mentions if he's got a prescription? ....."NHL officials have been notified that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police investigation into ex-L.A. Kings player Mike Richards involves the prescription drug oxycodone … multiple sources tell TMZ Sports. Our sources say Richards was stopped while crossing from the United States into Canada on June 17th … and we’re told he was questioned about oxycodone pills, a powerful painkiller. For the record, Richards has NOT been charged with a crime."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:01 pm EST

Arc you speak 500 languages ? Wow didn't know that many exist unless you were in Star Trek .... As the evidence mounts there is always one juror that tries to get a hung jury ... Must be no reasonable doubt... I doubt that... Lol ... Wow... Alias Wild On Words ....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:57 pm EST

TD.... It was mentioned to be a border issue, so I kind of figured it was for a substance. He was also not charged for anything.When was the last time a player tested for illegal substances that an NHL team terminated his contract? Said player would enroll in the NHL/NHLPAl substance abuse and behavioral health program. It's been a staple of professional sports. BTW, I've read that Lombardi told Chiarell and Treliving on the Draft floor on Friday. I also read that it was after those two teams had reportedly wanted too much in a trade for Richards. There was also a rumor that Lombardi talked to Toronto about Richards on Saturday.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:56 pm EST

Arc maybe he should take notes or record conversations since his memory is not too good ... But maybe this and maybe that ....were you there ? .... Lol

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:55 pm EST

Lost among all this CBus love. For years the Rangers couldn't win due to no depth at Center. Now CBus trades a C for a wing and Dubi is number on their C chart and they are going to be a powerhouse? What happened to needing depth at C? Also their D was talked about last year as needing some improvements...did I miss something there? They are going to go into the season with the same D and less at center but now are even better....I don't see it...and they can't be done anyway.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:51 pm EST

Arc: English must your 500th language. None one not a single person from the Rangers have any kind of timeline. Just that there was an offer, and when they talked with that team again it had changed. No timeline at all. Could have been minutes, hours or days. I don't know. You don't know. Stop guessing. You are like so many others. Taking incomplete information and filling the blanks with you predisposed ideas of Sather and the Rangers. Using just the facts we KNOW (not rumors and half told things) there is no way to know how bad off it was from the Rangers side of things. Even the rumors we heard we have no real clue what the total package was going each way in those offers and requests.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:51 pm EST

Jones has proven he's better than talbot? ....http://www.tsn.ca/b-s-trade-g-jones-to-sharks-inks-3-year-deal-1.321957

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:50 pm EST

Stevie; That's was said in first min. Listen to the last question in the presser http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/jeff-gorton-after-nhl-draft

_Arc


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:47 pm EST

JFC31 - Count me as one who doesn't get all this SAAD lust. Good player, yes. Superstar? Changing the balance of power in the east?!? I even saw someone...one of the beat writers...moan about how bad this was for the Rangers because they're facing the BJs five times...gonna be a great young team if they stay healthy...will be one of the top teams in the Metro...but before we start calling them a dynasty and all and cowering in fear, let's remember there's an 82-game season...BTW...Hawks got an incredible player in Marko DANO. Strong players in ANISIMOV and MORIN...they could have done a lot better for Saad though.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:43 pm EST

RF4L - Broken clock is right twice a day, and that Sharks deal is one time for Sweeney. KURALY is a really good player. Probably will make the NHL next season. And of course, the first rounder...I don't for one second believe TALBOT ever would have brought that kind of a haul back.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:39 pm EST

PatrickDiv - LINDBERG was very good in the FO circle from what I could see and TBH, I think he makes the team this year...I'd say there's a very good chance he's in the starting lineup, depending on what moves are around the corner...re: FEHR - Last I knew, he's been playing wing...if his FO percentage is high, then it's probably because he's taking them on a situational basis.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:37 pm EST

Td- I think they were pretty high on this Gropp kid (Clark called him a 'top 5 talent'!!!!!! I don't know but if there's one guy in the front office that has some gravitas with me personally its Ckark so I'll wait and reserve judgement because the trade not a straight swap of Hags and Yum yum. Wild- Seriously dude? Is English you're second language? I DO KNOW because Gorton told everyone at the press conference in the same voice as if he had accidentally swallowed his left nut with the sack instant that the OFFER changed (once the other goalies moved). And you wonder why you've been labeled a sanger apologist. HE f'd up. Gorton knew it. Hell even slats knows it. You really should reconsider this one bud. Personally I don't hate the guy as much as some others here ; he's made some very good moves (which tend to be more nuanced and harder to project like Hayes move but he also makes completely boneheaded moves (which I think are relatively easy NOT to make like Boyle and redden signings). I'm not sure but I think that's a wash. Jmo

_Arc


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:36 pm EST

Bob and all the TALBOT boosters: Did it occur to anyone that other teams simply didn't trust that he's a genuine starter? I mean, 20 games does not make a career and let's just roll back the clock to January when Hank when down...how many people here or in the NHL thought Talbot would go on the tear he did? Prior to that tear, Talbot was nothing more than a very good backup. I think people tend to forget that.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:28 pm EST

Oscar Lindberg is ready for the NHL June 30th, 2015 3:35 pm Oscar LindbergJeff Beukeboom was on the Rangers Blue Line Podcast recently and said that Oscar Lindberg is a player that “everyone” is expecting to be in the NHL and with the Rangers next year. Gordie Clark said that Lindberg was the best player for Hartford in the playoffs and that “he is definitely going to be getting a crack at the NHL lineup.” (NYR) Lindberg has improved in each season since being traded to the Rangers and “is more active, engaged and shooting the puck a lot more than in the past.” (Dobber Hockey Prospect Guide) He is “very good” defensively, can win faceoffs and also add offense. He is a “legit NHL-ready prospect” and while he has shown potential top-six upside, he is “better suited” to be a bottom six player in the NHL. (Dobber Hockey Prospect Guide).....http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/oscar-lindberg/oscar-lindberg-is-ready-for-the-nhl/#more-149203

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:26 pm EST

Fotiu22 - Joel WARD can sling his gold-brickin' ass elsewhere. Bottom liner who is going to make $3 million plus...maybe even $4 million. Wasn't a bad player a couple years back, but you could see in the Washington series that his game has slipped, IMO, even if his stats didn't.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:23 pm EST

Wildcard - there were people here who wanted to sign SEMIN and bitched to high-hell when he had his one good season. That said...I would be interested to see if he'd take a Brad Richards-esque deal now that he's independently wealthy and unemployed. I'd be willing to be his ass lands on MALKIN'S wing next season.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:22 pm EST

they couldn't get more for Talbot, ask gorton.....fishsticks....who you going to believe your eyes and ears or you know who?.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:19 pm EST

LeoS - LOL...very true, re: NASH. Will be interesting to see whether the rumblings about him that sort of cropped up after the elimination re-emerge tomorrow after he submits his list of teams he'll accept a deal to...I suspect, however, that we're stuck with Nash for another two, unbelievably long years...And I know a lot of folks around here question 'where all the goals would come from' if we traded him...well, I wouldn't really care as long as we could limp into the playoffs with a bunch of bad-asses ready to crunch bones in the POs.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:19 pm EST

no way...way..... Jeff Gorton on the Cam Talbot trade and if the Rangers wanted more June 30th, 2015 6:39 pm TalbotJeff Gorton said that the Rangers wanted to move Cam Talbot because he is a UFA after next season and they could use him to recoup some of the picks they have traded the last few years. Gorton said , “we felt like it was something that we had to do. At the end of the day we got a deal that we are happy with the picks we got and who we selected. At times it looks liked it might have been a better deal but it didn’t manufacture that way. We took a deal that we thought was the best deal that we could make at that time.” Gorton said that the Rangers pushed for more and would have liked more but “I think we did okay too.” The Rangers traded Talbot to Edmonton for picks 57, 79 and 184 and then traded 57 to Washington for 62 and 113. Oilers management talked about how their patience led to a lower price for Talbot.

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:17 pm EST

here comes how do you know, maybe this and maybe that...... Oilers management break down the trade for Cam Talbot June 28th, 2015 6:49 pm Cam TalbotPeter Chiarelli said that he was always in communication with Glen Sather and “Slats was good to deal with. He was a little difficult but he was good and he was good to us.” (Oilers) Chiarelli said that the Rangers price for Talbot went down as time went on and after Robin Lehner and some of the other goalies were moved. (Oilers) Oilers assistant GM Bill Scott said that the Oilers patience paid off and that they think they paid “fair value” for Talbot. He said that they didn’t want to overpay because Talbot is a UFA after the season. He said that they will investigate extending Talbot when they are allowed on January 1. (Oilers) Talbot was traded for three draft picks and the Panthers reportedly thought they were going to get him. ..http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/cam-talbot/cam-talbot-trade-rumors/oilers-management-break-down-the-trade-for-cam-talbot/

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:15 pm EST

Rhet0ric - The word is RICHARDS was busted with oxycotin, which, if you've ever popped one, could really explain what his problem has been lately. Whatever it was, it was bad enough that both Calgary and Edmonton walked away from deals...still, unless the guy is facing RIBEIRO-like allegations, I'd still give him a sniff...no pun intended...my other thought is that I bet a good number of players in this league would test positive for oxys if you could pin them down for an honest drug test.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:10 pm EST

Vic - Strong words for a kid who just turned 23. How much have you seen of him?

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:07 pm EST

WIOSA - From what I've seen of the Rangers picks is that they strayed from their normal mantra of picking high-risk, high-reward players to grab guys that have a much clearer trajectory to the NHL. Hearing already that two of our picks are essentially locks for the WJCS is a big confidence booster IMO. Sucks we didn't have a first-rounder. I haven't seen any of these guys play, so I couldn't tell you what we got, but I'd stop dead in my tracks before saying they blew the draft. I would say we should come back to discuss this in two years...you simply never know...I know there was A LOT of belly-aching here in 2013 because there was no first or second round picks...but lo and behold, they grabbed DUKE, TAMBELLINI and BUCHNEVICH...all of whom are pretty highly regarded now...and here we are...two years out...We have SKAPSKI who has already pitched his first no-no and GRAVES who had a great post-season and is suddenly being heralded as a prospect...no one is bitching about that draft anymore. Funny how that worked.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:59 pm EST

And I'm not even going to touch your comment about BRASSARD...methinks you have a really inflated opinion of Hags...

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:57 pm EST

Vic - Cap problems is trading Brandon SAAD. Cap problems is trading Milan LUCIC. Cap problems ain't dealing Carl HAGELIN. And a "disruptive force?!" Dude. This is Hagelin, not Henrik Zetterberg. He's a very good player, yes...One I've always liked...and TBH, right now I'd rather have Hagelin back for a season than the return we got...But no matter which way you slice it, Hags was a third liner on the Rangers and it was all he ever was going to be. Was he important? Yes. Was he a good player? Yes. But ultimately, he was expendable. And if he wasn't he'd still be on the team. Oh and while we're on this 'a-ha' moment you're sharing with RF4L...explain this: If Hagelin WAS so vital to the Rangers...why didn't they at least TRY to sign him? Why, if the cap problems are so pronounced, did they not trade someone with a greater cap hit? Why not trade STEPAN? BRASSARD? Don't try to tell me that it was because teams wouldn't want them. So I'm a little bit stumped by your post and how you called this and that.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:52 pm EST

Wild- more like buyout in the KHL:)

jim9k26


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:47 pm EST

Eklund reporting it...must mean it's swapping 7th round picks with a western team.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:31 pm EST

RinkRat - You're not alone. I keep wondering what the hell these people are looking at/listening to when they say SKJEI is going to be anywhere in the Rangers lineup. Ordinarily, I'd say his stats or his one or two appearances in New York or his time in the WJCS or his play in college or his time in Hartford or something...but literally none of those things suggests him as a lock or even a strong contender for the team...I seriously think people look down at his profile, see he's a first-rounder out of the NCAA and just start running off at the mouth.

tdchi


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:29 pm EST

Could Ol' Chomp have one last load to blow? Here's hoping so, and hoping it kills him! RIP Glennie boy....

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:19 pm EST

For what its worth Oilers working on BIG deal stay tuned...told it's a 3 for 3 trade with Eastern team Source: Eklund Discuss | EDM Payroll

jim9k26


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:07 pm EST

This just in: The CJC is happy to announce that the NY Rangers have traded Derrek Stepan & Matts Zuccarello to the Toronto Maple Leafs for James Van Reimsdyk and Phil Kessel... Toronto has also agreed to eat $2mill of Kessel's salary for the remainder of his contract......

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:07 pm EST

Well Korporkoski to the oilers for Boyd Gordon of the coyoteys.Not the east but another trade.

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:06 pm EST

oilers got Korpedo for Gordon from AZ

jim9k26


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:06 pm EST

Tlats - about what?

DREW


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:01 pm EST

oilers in discussions with a team from the east

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:46 pm EST

Talts...They were all pretty much shut down in the playoffs., If you give them credit for being defensive and helping the team to fight off the opposition, despite not scoring...then the same goes for Nash.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:31 pm EST

To get off of hockey for a min good luck to USA women's soccer team!

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:29 pm EST

Just heard on NHL radio the islanders resigned Anders Lee for 4 years around 3.5.

DREW


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:25 pm EST

Crosby and Malkin have already won a cup Malkin won connie,Tavares had a really good round vs Washington he is still a young player and had an ot winner I think, Ovechkin was a beast in these playoffs and plays like a demon on skates. Nash not so much. I will give you Backstrom he is very nash like in the playoffs.

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:25 pm EST

And that trade proposal was just based on one teams roster. Who says one of the other 9 teams (if DAL is one) Nash lists wouldn't offer more.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:23 pm EST

_Arc - Once again, bingo.

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:22 pm EST

And how do you know it was days? How do you know before he was traded the day before the offers were not lower than what he went for, than they shot up for a couple hours oelr less than came down some? Well guess what. You don't. Neither do I. So just stop already.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:22 pm EST

WIOSA - Who's talking about "dumping" them/him?...Huge diff between a dump and a trade..the ONLY thing that matters in the NHL is winning the CUP..We haven't done that with NASH...you never stop looking to try and get better and bring in players that make the TEAM better..If it's not there, it's not there

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:21 pm EST

Arc: how long after was it? Was it LESS offered or more asked? He didn't say. You can pretend all you want that you know. But the info given is still vague..stop pretending you know what the discussions were.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:19 pm EST

Horton <-> Gorton

_Arc


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:18 pm EST

Wild- WTF are you blabbing about maybe this maybe that????? Horton himself said that when they went back to certain teams (after certain goalies moved) those GM's didn't exactly 'remember' the terms of the latest proposal for Talbot as the Rangers did. iE; THEY FRIGGIN went below the compensation that was already offered. So enough with the BS of 'well we don't really know what was offered'! IT WAS WAY LESS AT THE END OF THE DAY and that is because of sather dicking around For days on end without pulling the trigger. THAT is all on Sather ESP since he had to go back to Edm with his tail between his legs and take cents on the dollar. Why do you think he sent Horton out there post fiasco?

_Arc


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:18 pm EST

Wild- WTF are you blabbing about maybe this maybe that????? Horton himself said that when they went back to certain teams (after certain goalies moved) those GM's didn't exactly 'remember' the terms of the latest proposal for Talbot as the Rangers did. iE; THEY FRIGGIN went below the compensation that was already offered. So enough with the BS of 'well we don't really know what was offered'! IT WAS WAY LESS AT THE END OF THE DAY and that is because of sather dicking around For days on end without pulling the trigger. THAT is all on Sather ESP since he had to go back to Edm with his tail between his legs and take cents on the dollar. Why do you think he sent Horton out there post fiasco?

_Arc


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:15 pm EST

My first thought is to say "wow I hope the GMs of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Tavares, Stamkos, Cosby, Makin all feel like you guys do, and dump them" But then I remember, in your eyes, these players aren't worth their weight in gold either, they suffer from the same malaise that Nash does. SMH...totally amazed.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:07 pm EST

I also don't see Nash Traded...not yet. And if he was, Sather would have something else lined up first to help offset his loss.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:59 pm EST

With all that said I don't think Nash gets moved at all. Hopefully he puts a great playoff run together and I eat my words but I just don't think he has the heart. A guy like Brassard is a good example nowhere close to the talent as a nash but hi s play elevates in th playoffs. He had 19 reg season goals in 80 games and had 9 in 19 playoff games.

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:58 pm EST

Stevie: who are you talking about him bringing in?

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:55 pm EST

considering what sather has just done, I hope he sits on his hands......bring on the babies that need nurturing so veenknow can teach them whistle to whistle.....the brain rust does not know how to win 16 in the playoffs .....maybe if jimmyboy offered them 1 mil each to win the cup , they would try harder.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:53 pm EST

Ducks deal with Canucks 34 year old Bieska

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:53 pm EST

WIOSA - I hadn't really looked at his particular trade, but the trading of NASH/STEP is spomething i consider for the right return..I just don't think thye are the forwards to lead us to a Cup..Simple as that....WILD - I don't hate NASH and I don't blame the PO loss on him, but at his salary and what he produces in the POs on a consistent basis, I would love to see what I could get in return for him (and for Step)..Broken record, I can;t see them winning the Cup with them as the leaders

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:50 pm EST

WILD - True about GM propaganda but I like AA a hell of alot more than I like a floating kid that was sent down to the AHL last year..A hell of alot more...!

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:48 pm EST

I would argue that Nash was putting it together theses playoffs. Got points in the big games save the last one...but a lot went into why the Ranfers didn't get any offense towards the end there...would be a shame to have him have it figured out next offseason after getting 35-40 in the regular season for another team. Again...the "IFs" a GM has to balance out.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:48 pm EST

Nick - ah, your true colors coming out...sound more like a RIGHT wing wannabe....only caring about the goal/cash..no spreading the puck screw the teamates! :)

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:48 pm EST

Hospo/Wild, Interesting. If Im looking to move my top scorer, then his replacement is the centerpiece of the deal - I would think. Especially when I just dealt two others I still haven't made up for. The two he mentioned net us 17 goals. WILD the Ducks had 9 or 10 players under the age of 25 in their playoffs this year. That is a decent amount for a coach that isn't too good with young players.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:46 pm EST

Hospo: but at the same time...what do you expect him to say. "We traded Saad for a kid we hope will be as good and a 3rd line Center who won't hurt us" of course he will talk up every guy coming in...just like the Rangers are talking up Etem.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:45 pm EST

tlats - I'm with you..Ditto on Stepan.

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:45 pm EST

Left wing all the way ... and I didn't mess around with no stinkin' PASSING! Get puck shoot puck!

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:43 pm EST

The cap squeeze is going to make teams make some moves that they don't want to make. Nash is great in the regular season no doubt about that but 3 playoff runs in a row and he has shit the bed. I'm sorry but if I can get a really good young player with size and the ability to score with some other nice pieces included I do it. This is what the nhl has become.

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:40 pm EST

NICK - Hell, Bowman sees him as a #2 center not 3 (like me), And I think he knows a hell of alot more about hockey then I do...And you should like Bookem Dano....he can fly...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:38 pm EST

Nick - AH, lining up the explanations already..60 points is 60 points..But I would pay to see you doing your best Pilot Boy on LEFT wing!

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:37 pm EST

Never been a big AA guy. He's slow motion out there. Maybe I'm wrong. Hawks will still be good for a few years and as mentioned: three Cups buys a lot of goodwill from the fan base, understandably.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:35 pm EST

Hey if the Ducks play Hags with Perry and Getzlaf, this place will go nuts when he puts up 60 points. Play me (circa 1974) with those guys and I'll get 30.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:34 pm EST

NICK - Supposeldely CHI already have a four year extension wrapped up for Arty/AA..This isn't the incompetent Ranger mangement we're talking about here

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:32 pm EST

Stevie: what?

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:32 pm EST

Bruce "Professor Bunson Honeydew" Boudreau is one of a kind. There are 2 NHL teams who have lost 3 consecutive playoff home Game 7's in the history of the league. The Washington Capitals and Anaheim Ducks. The coaches of those 2 record setters? Bruce Boudreau.

Bob


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:31 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman &#10004; @FriedgeHNIC Bowman said CHI closing in on an extension for Anisimov

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:30 pm EST

Yeha, Maybe Etem's magnificient talents are drawn out by the great AV..but also maybe HAGS goes bonkers scoring 3o playing with the big phyical bodies in Anaheim..Who knows on either?

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:30 pm EST

WIOSA: it was a suggested move for Nash. Nash being traded wouldn't mean nothing else happens. There was no mention of anything further because that's a separate issue.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:29 pm EST

just what the nyr need more bottle sucking babies....almost have a monopoly.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:28 pm EST

Artie is a UFA next summer. There's that, too. Also I thought tendering an offer sheet was like ripping a loud fart in the NHL cathedral? Is this no longer the case? 'Fear of an offer sheet' a factor in this deal. As for the Hawks not wanting to match $6.5 million for six years ... if you think a guy is gonna be great, that locks him up for prime youth years. This is a league where we pay Rick Nash $7.9 million until 2047 or whatever, and Phil Kessel gets the same from the Leafs. If Saad becomes a 30-goal guy isn't $6.5 pretty good over that span? Of course if they think he's a 20-goal guy, then no.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:28 pm EST

WIOSA - It all depends on the returns, if you deal a NASH or a Stepan, you obviously aren't dealing for draftr picks but maybe 1or 2 young NHL players that are already estableished and may be able to help in diffefrnt spots......As peopl have said, there is decent reason to beleive that player like MIller, Hayes, Fast, Kreider, get better whie guys oie Brass, MZA and Step/NAsh remain the same...Put that together with the D and goalie, you still have a very good team just with some missing ingrdeinets that hopefully can be traded for...(It's not ETEM, that's for sure!)

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:28 pm EST

Wild errrr no. That was what Tlats proposed. No other move, no other suggestion on how we make up the points or defensive prowesss. Just that deal. Nothing was "clearly" stated

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:27 pm EST

WIOSA: he isn't all bad...but he isn't great at some aspects of the game. Nurturing young players isn't his strong point.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:26 pm EST

WIOSA: CLEARLY if that trade was made there would be other moves including a UFA signing with perhaps a spreading out of goals. Also other moves perhaps. Your too focused on one single move.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:25 pm EST

The Ducks have a bad coach now? They made it to the WCF, game 7. I think it was game 7. How do they have a lousy coach?

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:23 pm EST

Nick: was just going to point that out. I don't think Bruce has such a great track record with bringing young players along....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:22 pm EST

Tlats, so let me get this straight. We lost MSL and Hags points, and you now want to deal the third highest scoring Forward in the NHL, not to mention one of the top ten, (and the only one who is in the top ten in scoring and */-) + forwards, for a guy who scored 13 goals and another who scored 0, and are both - in the +/- category. And you still want to go for the cup? Do you really expect our guys to make up these numbers? Oh wait, I forgot, we did get Etem. Im not feeling confident here.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:21 pm EST

NICK - Sorry I am backsliding into the black hole of negativity that used to be my comfortable home before the last 3-4 years..! :)

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:21 pm EST

HOSPO: with Etem, we need to hope he pulls a Miller and finds his game. They really have been similar in their inability to put together a string of good shifts, good periods than good games. AV did well with Miller so hopefully he can find the key to this kid as well.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:21 pm EST

I'm waiting and seeing on Etem. I think his topside has Hags beat. And anyone saddled with Bacon Bruce Boudreau as a coach gets a slide until he proves himself a stiff.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:19 pm EST

Nick: I don't hate Chicago last real fans...it's the ones who about 5 or 6 years ago suddenly started to say they loved hockey and went to the NHL store online and got some Hawks stuff...but can't understand why their guy goes to the box because he didn't mean to hit the other player in the face with the stick...those I hate.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:19 pm EST

A bit more? How about ten tons more? It's one reason for my continued NYR bitterness. Christ ... Stan Bowman v. Glen Sather. Shoot me. I don't say CHI made a bad deal, just that I think Saad is big-time and given the wailing over Hags, and the assurances from so many that had only Mats Zuccarello not been hurt, we would have won the Cup ... man, you put on the NYR colors and you are suddenly great, except if we hate you, like D-Boyle and Yandle. Or you want big bucks, like Cally. We hate you then too. End of ramble.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:19 pm EST

EJ Hradek &#10004; @EJHradek_NHL Clearly, the real threat of an offer sheet pushed the @NHLBlackhawks to deal Saad to CBJ. GM Stan Bowman has more work to do. #capcompliance

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:19 pm EST

NICK - Saad is the best player in the deal..but ANismov AND Dano are not chopped liver...Hell, 2013-14, Saad and AA had similar years..lat year AA got hurt.....Unlike the HAGS-ETEM deal when the return is a floater that gpt sent to the AHL becasue he was bypassed by a host of other young players and wouldn't play "involved" enough...HUGE difference in the returns

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:15 pm EST

Of course our cap-suck players, Rick Nash and TGGOTP, are pretty good too! No Cups and all but hey! Man I hate Chicago fans. Actually that's envy.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:14 pm EST

NICK - Personally, I think people are going way overboard on Saad and undervaluing what CHI got in return...And, just on history, you have to trust Chicago's moves for their end results a bit more than the Rangers..Hawks have Cap woes AFTER winning the Cup and still have TOEWES, Hossa and Kane leading the way..Ranger have Cap woes and no Cup..and no real leaders up front.....THese things also kinda impact how you view deals unfortuantely..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:13 pm EST

This place kills me. Carl Hagelin is an epic loss but Brandon Saad, 22 years old, 42 goals his first two full years, 23 goals and 8 PO goals for a Cup team, is a "nice" player, easily replaced by Artem Anisimov?

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:11 pm EST

Your correct Wild it does feel like the trade deadline there might even be more significant trades done.

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:11 pm EST

almost got giddy- RealESPNLeBrun: Not even a full hour after sending Saad to Columbus, Chicago has just traded Patrick Sharp to the New York Rangers. now saying is fake account so ..

jim9k26


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:10 pm EST

Saad changes the balance of power in the East?? GMAFB! Nice player that got a nice haul for CHI. Anisimov in particular will thrive with CHI. Saad will do OK too but he is no big deal AFAIAC

JFC31


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:08 pm EST

And WE were pissed over dealing Hags? Saad, gone? I know the Hawks big money deals kick in for Kane and Toews but really. Saad is big-time, a player I hope Kreider becomes. Same number and all, at least. Of course Hawk fans can rest their heads on three Cups ...

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:04 pm EST

OLA - I hear ya..I think Saad's good, but not that good..The best player in the trade so I guess CBJ "won" but I still think CHI did pretty good given the cap sitiuation they were in...Anisimov and Dano will work well for them

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 5:02 pm EST

Bieska for a 2nd. Feels like the trade deadline

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:57 pm EST

Tlats: would jump all over that trade...but I doubt they would...probably have to add in Lindberg or Miller, Maybe Fast. Would be a MOSTER TRADE. Course we don't know if they would be on his list.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:56 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman &#10004; @FriedgeHNIC Bowman said he and Saad worked hard on an extension, but didn't think it could get done

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:55 pm EST

At least one rumor that the Rangers want to see list of teams Nash approves trades to tomorrow. Inclined to keep him. But I imagine they will make a few calls to see what's offered.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:54 pm EST

I think we are in for a busy night for some more trades to happen. Teams need to clear space and this Saad trade is just the beginning. I wonder if Glennie is getting some calls for Stepan or Nash? I would love to see a trade with Dallas for that Nichushkin kid he's 20, just had hip surgery but I think he could b a big time player. Maybe Nash and a 3rd for Nichushkin , roussel + a 1st for next year.Just throwing this out there but who the hell knows. This of course with Nash including Dallas on his trade list.

tlats


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:51 pm EST

lb are you still afraid to go to the bus stop ?....gmafb...wafj.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:44 pm EST

I think Chi has made a good job with Saad, but I always thought he was a bit overrated. Good speed sure, but how many speedsters is it out there in this league? No playmaking ability to speak of, no extraordinaire finishing ability etc etc... If he played for like STL or FLA or Carolina or Minnesota, I don't think there would be one bit hype around him...

Ola


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:30 pm EST

SAAD's a good player but guys like Larry Brooks and other columnists are already saying how bad this is for the Rangers and other teams in the East......I'm not getting the fear from a CBJ team...As for Chicagoe, they get ANISMIMOV to replace Vermette at 3rd C...and Dano will probably score 20 just like Saad...Can't say much about all the other players/[rospects

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:27 pm EST

According to BOB McKenzie, Saad may be looking for a six year 6..5 mill per contract after ONE good year..and that there may have been an offer sheet waiting for him..Can see why he's traded...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:20 pm EST

@Aportzline: #CBJ acquire Brandon Saad and two prospects from #Blackhawks for Anisimov, Dano, Morin, Troop and a 4th rd pick in 2016

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:15 pm EST

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline #CBJ acquire Brandon Saad and two prospects from #Blackhawks for Anisimov, Dano, Morin, Troop and a 4th rd pick in 2016

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:14 pm EST

Not saying this trade will work for CHI but it's the type of trade I want/wanted the Rangers to do with Stepan and/or NASH....ANd could have kept Hagelin...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:12 pm EST

Saad to CBus for Anisimov and picks...mayb Dano involved as well

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:12 pm EST

SAAD for ANISIMOV and DANO..Done.

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:10 pm EST

Saad to CBus possibly in the works....Hawks taking an unexpected route to cut cap.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 4:10 pm EST

HOSPO: bout counting on it working. Just thinking we may see that kind of signing inFA

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:48 pm EST

Okay Sqther screwed thettalbot deal for sure now.

York18


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:41 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - I hear ya, especailly with moving HAYES to Wing...but MILLER is probably the best FO guy we have and, after last year, I think Miller is ready for the center duties....Hayes not so much.....I would like a guy that could play BOTH wing and center...and the Rangers usually like that flexibility also.....Fehr is one of them...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:38 pm EST

WILD - Whatever with Hunwick..Like I said, if they go that route, hope they are lucky..but I wouldn't COUNT on it...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:38 pm EST

Stevie Legs: Great post... I would agree ENTIRELY the NYRs need some size/grit at 3rd line center and allow Hayes/Miller to grow on the wings... I like Eric Fehr if the price is right... solid player.. yet another the NYRs passed up in the 2003 draft for Jessiman...

schneidw


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:31 pm EST

Hospo: Whatever with Bourque...I am not so much meaning him specifically...just he was part of the system and sometimes teams go that route....but someone cheap like that. And yeah you get what you pay for, but keep in mind Hunnwick was 600K last season....so they are out there.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:30 pm EST

Rink: Everyone I know says he needs time in Hartford from what they saw there. I can't imagine he has figured it out off the ice. Maybe a little bit from watching video, but I would say even if he is close he will not be rushed...the Rangers have the ability to let him sit in Hartford all year if need be.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:27 pm EST

Here's the problem with the Rangers playing Big Mac or any rookie...With YANDLE and BOYLE, that leaves TWO D that kinda have to be covered for by a defensive D-man...That is not a job you like to hang on a ROOK..and you also don't want one of your top D getting 3rd pair minutes...WHy I think they may still try for a VET defensive D-man if they are intent on keeping Boyle

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:27 pm EST

I'm surprised every time I see Skeji getting mentioned for NHL minutes as soon as next season. I'm no NHL scout but IMHO watching him at the U of Minnesota, I didn't see him as ready but I have heard he did progress in his short time with the farm club. Just don't think anyone should have any lofty expectations on him.......

RinkRat


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:22 pm EST

WILDCARD - In that case, you usually get what you pay for like a Kostka..Hope they are damn lucky if that's the route they take..Personally, I don't want Borque anywhere near New York.an ineffectual gnat..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:18 pm EST

Wild. I know we disagree on tons but I sure hope you're right on McI.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:11 pm EST

Stevie. If the think he is ready but someone passes him they could trade him as well. But I get the feeling they want him, or else he would be gone already

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:10 pm EST

HOSPO: wouldn't be shocked to see them sign a 7th type D but for under 975k or whatever the limit is. For insurance. Probably a 575k type guy and that guy can be sent down with zero cap implications if need be. Might see a signing like that for a 4th line depth guy. Maybe C. Bourque is re signed or Muller. Or is muller still signed? Need to look at that. Anyway, guys who can spot fill but count zero against the cap when in Hartford

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:09 pm EST

I assume they have to go with big mac for the year or he could get picked off waivers.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:02 pm EST

So..leaving the Rangers 6th-7th D-man RIGHT NOW Boyle and either Big Mac or Chump Summers...I hope to God MCI is ready! We'll see if they go after a D-man in FA

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 3:00 pm EST

what evidence is there?.....5 teams were inquiring about Talbot...the old jerk forgot which ones they were.....and his right hand man used his left hand this time.....they are beyond pathetic without the facts...with the facts Dolan would fire him.....glen maybe your wife is looking for you to stay home , please oblige her ...go torture her....nyr have had enough...thanks for the good team...bye-bye......

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:59 pm EST

Hospo - LB just tweeted that 7th dman is now McI or Skeji or (gulp) Summers.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:57 pm EST

I wonder how far Ryan Graves is from the NHL..

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:57 pm EST

FWIW...SiriusXM NHL Network &#10004; @SiriusXMNHL Reports say that the New York #Rangers will NOT be bringing back defenseman Matt Hunwick #NHLFreeAgency #Offseason #NHL........Fine by me...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:56 pm EST

Sather would help his sinking reputation if he could swap out Girardi for picks and use some of the freed up cash to address the lack of grit upfront...

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:53 pm EST

Wild. Just putting 2 and 2 together. Sather is on a bad bad run. Surely you can see that...

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:52 pm EST

Stafford 2 years $7,800,000 total.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:51 pm EST

RF4L: You like to pretend you are in the know about things no one else is. The Talbot trade was mediocre. I would have liked more. But if more was not there than there is nothing you can do. If the more is pulled of the table 2 minutes after your told about it thats the way it is.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:50 pm EST

RE the Jones trade. I wonder how much talking there was before the trade between SJS and Jones. I mean, Talbot couldn't be extended until January, perhaps BOS let Jones talk with SJS in order to get the offer up from a 2nd to a 1st. I imagine if the Oilers could have extended Talbot they would have given up more than they did, or another team would have offered much much more. I really think the 1 year than UFA thing got things all tangled up.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:48 pm EST

Nick: There is no glass when it comes to this stuff. I try my hardest to look at what he actually does...and not in comparison to what we as fans think could have been done...or even what the "experts" think could have been done. Too many unknowns....I don't give him credit for "getting more than he should" either. I mean, unless its the Gomez trade, in hindsight that was crazy, but not at the time it wasn't crazy. I said he did "good" with that trade at the time....looking box...wow. These last trades. I called them both mediocre....but somehow I am rather stroker who thinks he does everything great. I don't know.....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:48 pm EST

And those of you who stroke Sather will.find ways to mitigate the stupidity of the the Talbot fiasco.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:46 pm EST

Hearing Kuraly is a valid prospect. Sather is a phucking phossil.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:37 pm EST

NN: thank you again

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:33 pm EST

Hospo you know I'm an "ageist" ... Ward as a deadline addition for a Cup run rental, I'm in on. But yeah a 2-year deal at that age is iffy and the guy's gonna want dough we apparently don't have. As for good ol' Slats? That SJ-Jones deal does not reflect well. Wild, I'll agree that no one knows what goes down during these trade talks but man, your Sather-glass is always half-full. :-)

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:28 pm EST

WIOSA - my beef with Playoff Nash isn't offensive production per se. It's what I perceive to be his offensive intensity/effort. Come over the blue and angle toward the boards while lofting a gentle wrister at the goalie's pads or his glove? That's just confidence-building reps for the opponent. I was halfway off the couch yelling at him 28 seconds into this year's playoffs when Fleury gifted us Brassard's rebound goal, which imo only reinforced the perimeter-type play. I will say his effort seemed more intense each round to the point where I opted out of referring to him as (Milbury's) Marshmallow, but how many times did we watch him be more or less even w/a D and NOT try to move inside? I think it was the Tampa series before I first saw him try (that move). Same result with beatly effort but just no finishing luck? Different story, to me. Then it just becomes part of the collective Rangers Woeful Lore. But so far, his body of playoff work suggests otherwise. Sorry this got a bit rant-y. G-rated rant-y, that is :)

LeoS


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:23 pm EST

Again with the idea that we all know whats happened here. IF Sather turned down that offer, he sucks, and the embarrassment alone should make him retire fully, not just from the GM post. HOWEVER what if SJS told him to pound sand when he asked for a 1st next year? What if once the dust settled they realized they screwed up and now gave up something the earlier said no to? There is no way we can know. Those of you who hate Sather will assume that he turned down the exact offer...or never tried for it. But there is a lot of evidence he tried to get as much as possible, and we have no idea what was offered in return for his actions.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:21 pm EST

Sorry. Late to the Jones trade party. Sather still sucks tho....

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:21 pm EST

HOSPO: Yeah on Ward its not his age, well not his age alone. I am not one that looks at a players age and decides its time to look another direction. Hell, want a PP goal scorer, Jagr might still help out there...dude will be playing hockey at 90. And look at Chellios. Yeah eventually it comes crashing down, and it seems worse for the guys who can keep a high level longer, their collapse is very fast, like there is a 3 day break of no games, and the guy is on pace for 30 and suddenly he gets one goal the rest of the season and ends up with 10...or they lose two or three gears in the speed department over a season. With Ward its his age mixed with the length he is rumored to be seeking. If he wanted just 2 years at a decent hit that would be great...but when he is looking to sign a deal that will NEVER come off the books (other than LTIR) until its over and he wants that deal for 4or 5 years...putting him a 40-41...no thanks.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:15 pm EST

Jones to SJ for 2016 first and a prospect. Sather sucks. Bad.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:07 pm EST

How is Lindberg on FO% Besides the other needs we have we still have yet to address that glaring one. Isnt there a FO guru the Rangers can hire to address this? I am still holding out hope that Sheppard finds a way to stick around as I see some good upside with him but all in all, I dont expect much NYR activity tomorrow. One player I am interested in is following tomorrow is Chris Stewart. He has a lot to dig out of (bad reputation and an awful year to boot). I wonder if he takes one of the 1yr cap friendly deals that are likely to be waiting for him in abundance or if someone will be stupid enough to throw a multi-year deal at him? The other guy is Eric Fehr. Good footsoldier, good size, great FO%.

PatrickDiv


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:05 pm EST

mf: As far as I can tell. They take the total amount paid and average it out over the life of the contract. So if a guy has a cap hit of 2 million for 5 years and a year into a team trades him and pays 4 of the remaining 8 million, each year each team has a 1 million cap hit. Now I don't claim to be an expert, but thats the way I have seen it explained. It doesn't matter the breakdown or when money changes hands. Iodinate know what happens with real dollars, like paychecks and the like if they come from two places, or the league figures it out, and real money is different from cap dollars...so as far as cap goes its AAV.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:05 pm EST

MF: Here you go found your answer from the CBA... 8.0 Retained Salary The 2013 CBA gave teams the flexibility to retain a percentage of salary and cap hits in trades. In order for a team to perform a transaction involving retained salary, the following criteria must be met: SALARY refers to remaining base player salary and bonuses, including signing bonuses. The percentage retained cannot be more than 50 percent of the salary and cap hit. The same percentage must be retained for both salary and cap hit & cannot be altered. Teams are limited to 3 retained salary contracts per season. Teams cannot retain an aggregate amount of more than 15 percent of the salary cap upper limit. A player's contract is limited to 2 retained salary transaction per contract. If a team trades away a player and retains salary in the transaction, that team cannot reacquire the player for one calendar year after the date of the transaction; the player's contract expires or is otherwise terminated prior to the one calendar year date. The CBA also prohibits a team from trading away a player & then reacquiring that player in a retained salary transaction within one year of the original trade. If a contract which was involved in a retained salary transaction is later bought out or terminated, all teams with a portion of the retained salary will have cap implications based on the retained percentages of each team. If a player acquired in a retained salary transaction is sent to the minors, the original team must still include their retained percentages of the contract as part of their salary cap, regardless of whether the player is recalled or not. CBA REFERENCE: Section 50.5 (Document Pages: 271-274)

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:03 pm EST

Bob: Caps are also in "CAP" hell..... they can't afford him

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 2:02 pm EST

NN / WC: I'll ask agian: If toronto was willing to eat $4mill of Kessels contract for next season, and then say $2mill for years 2 & 3, will the league give us cap relief of $4mill, $2mill, and $2mill for the next 3 years as opposed to averaging $8mii over 7 years??? sorry for the ongoing back & forth, I just want to be absolutely sure so that we can attempt to mop up the current mess..... thanks boys & girls....

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:47 pm EST

But, at least we unfortuantely agree on the Goalie fiasco..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:46 pm EST

BOB - You want to talk salary and terms with Ward, no problem, I agree he ain't the man for the Rangers..But downside of his career or not , he's better than any bottom 6 forward we currently have or liekly will sign..It's like, oh, he's 35..he sucks...Not

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:43 pm EST

Delete Hagelin and add Joel Ward? Please. Spare me another guy on the downside. If the Caps cannot use him, neither can the Rangers. And............it appears that Peter Chiarelli got one hell of a deal on Cam Talbot. 2 lousy 2nds while Lehner and Jones got #1's plus! Sat her overplayed his hand and got hosed. What an embarrassment.

Bob


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:43 pm EST

NICK - That sounded harsher then intended at the beginning. sorry old chap..:)

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:39 pm EST

And the hits just keep comin'....Boston gets a 1stbrounder for some scrub backup goalie??? Unbelievable! We have a goalie who was lights out as a starter against TOP opponents in a PLAYOFF STRETCH and has a career GAA of 2, trained by the best goalie coach on the planet and we get 2nd rounders! Well, maybe Sather....wait for it.....

JFC31


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:31 pm EST

NICK - Unlike you, I don't care about age all that much, I just want the better player..Which Ward is....But, in Ward's case, I agree with you becasue his age along with his likely contract demands makes it a no go...Now, If it was for one year, i'd take Ward and his 35 year old body in a heartbeat over any of that 27-31 year flotsam and jetscum...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:27 pm EST

And, let me get this straight, SJ traded a #1 pick and a prospect For MARTIN Freakin Jones and Sather got crap for The Prince? As Mad Dog would say..Just Mind Boggling.....MIND.....BOGGLING

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:25 pm EST

CHIN - I understand..That's why I would have been looking to trade NASH and/or STEPAN form the beginning...OH well...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:23 pm EST

NN; we need to be sure... just maybe the league didn't think this aspect out, or, allowed for a graduated eating of salary in a trade...

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:21 pm EST

NN; that helps, t/y: So, we have $12,900,000 in current cap (someone please confirm that, I believe it to be accurate) subtract T.glass + $1,450,000 = $14,350,000.... Now Kessel costs us $4mill for next season, Stepan $5.75 mill, Sheppard $1.25 mill, McIlrath $1.25mill, Miller $1mill, Fast $1mill, Lindberg $750K, Eat Me $800k.... thats a totla of $15,550,000 so I'm over cap by $1,200,000..... i believe we can go over cap during the summer, and this does not consider someone going back to Toronto in trade.... Oh, how do you spell Dan Boyle? ;-)..... Oh yeah, that won't work...... well, we're gonna have to part with someone, so then the cap should work........ later folks.......

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:16 pm EST

Joel Ward turns 35 before the new year. I'll pass. Although I guess Slats is desperate for a few last gasps to win one of the many Cups he assured us was coming, back in 2000, once he had access to "Neil Smith's budget." If they want yet another third-liner the guy Matthias is 27 at least. Averages 12 goals a year. A Stempniak clone, more or less. Whatever. I can't work up any enthusiasm just yet. Maybe next March. Mostly I hate that we wasted 1998-2005 sucking along instead of flat out tanking for a few of those years. Worst thing you can do is finish 12th-20th. You get mediocre draft picks and spin your wheels. Pens, Hawks did it right. Oilers maybe also, now that they have actual management in place. Possibly Buffalo too.

Nick


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:15 pm EST

HOSPO: Unfortunately we don't have the cap space to get help at the top. If we can't afford Hags, we can't afford to sign a Top 6 guy. Hopefully Miller steps up this year. We'll need him to.

chinstrap


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:14 pm EST

MF: I don't think you can do what you want Toronto to do. Kessel has a $8 million cap hit and you want Toronto to what retain 50% for x amount of years and then say 30% another x amount of years. Doesn't work like that; it would be like 40% per year.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:11 pm EST

Thanks boys!

jkropp


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:05 pm EST

I could also see guys like SLATER, LETESTU and SANTORELLI being on the Ranger's list for t the bottom two lines even if the problem is ultimately the top few lines come POs.....Maybe a flyer VOLCHENKOV on D if they have zero confidence in Big Mac...

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:01 pm EST

FWIW I would pick Matthias, has more goals than assists...maybe not the best thing all the time, but on a pass happy team like the Rangers...a guy who shoots might not be a bad addition.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:00 pm EST

We Brooklynites call that, "gaming the system." :-)

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:59 pm EST

Wild, yes but, was that deal structured as "that amount of cap hit consistent over that period of time?" I'm attempting to graduate the cap hit in the 1st 3 years of the remaining 7 years of Kessels contract, where we benefit the most next year, then equally in yrs 2 & 3, or, slightly less in the 3rd year from the 2nd year (graduating downward) with the premise that the Cap will increase each year over time softening the hit.......

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:50 pm EST

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stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:49 pm EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-keeping-eye-on-free-agents-eric-fehr-shawn-matthias-and-daniel-winnick-1.10593211

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:47 pm EST

mf: nhlnumbers.com shows the Panthers were charged a 2.2 mil hit each year for Versteeg. Is that what you are looking for?

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:47 pm EST

guess sather missed that san jose is out west....do you know the way to san jose?......a 1st and a prospect genius......instead.....three picks to the New York Rangers for Cam Talbot. The Oilers sent the 57th, 79th and 184th picks to New York for Talbot and the 209th pick ....dinosaurs are extinct.....cavemen are on geico, and the nyr gm is a gecko that was gotten.....and then there's Gorton genius to may be.....maybe not.....the beat goes on....beaten again.....like an old mule that he is.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:47 pm EST

MF; 50% is the max that a team can retain the salary..see Phoenix and Yandle.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:42 pm EST

JKROPP - ZIPPAY says Eric FEHR, Shawn MATTIAS, adn Daniel Winnik..Don't hate any of them but we need help at the top..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:39 pm EST

gene_carr - Bingo. He needs to be gone yesterday.

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:38 pm EST

I can't find any article on who the rangers may try and get in FA...So guy's who do you think the Rangers will wind up with? Give me your top 3. Not that you want but who you think they'll get...

jkropp


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:33 pm EST

Boston got a first and a prospect for LA's back up unproven goal tender. Something is up with Sather's standing in the hockey community. To say he is out of touch is an understatement.

gene_carr


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:32 pm EST

WC: Can we confirm by looking at a traded player where cap was eaten by the players original team? thanks man

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:31 pm EST

WC: are you positive?

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:30 pm EST

SO, we try to structure a deal with Toronto, get a big cap reduction for next season, then Boyle is gone, then taper it down for the next 2 seasons as NASH has just 3 years remaining on his contract, then we crunch the numbers.... T.Glass will have to go, and were ever we can save a couple of $100K, we're going to have to do it. that means playing hardball with JT Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Yum Yum, Sheppard, and yes, STEPAN...... We'd probably have to pass on Hunwick and sign McIlrath as our 7th, but thats fine.......

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:25 pm EST

mf: They take it as a % of each year a team can retain. It may equal one season of pay, but its spread out.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:23 pm EST

Slegs: At $4.5 mill per, she'd keep me

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:22 pm EST

NN: I see your point, with all the head-cases on this wall, the NY Rangers may not want any more.....

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:20 pm EST

WC: well, Hags & MSL = 87 points last season..... If we compete for the historical all-time low in G/A's, I guess we'd need less goals.... in all seriosness, I'm gonna bang my head against the wall like I always do: OKPOSO gives you points a bit of Joel Ward, Kessel gives you a first line threat on that RW, followed by ZUCC, Miller, Yum-Yum Eat-Me..... I coud live with that..... Heres more thinking outside the box folks with a question: ...... IF, team was willing to eat salary which varied from one year to the next, does the League average that into a number and then adjust the cap hit as an average over the length of time remaining on the contract??? Here's an obvious example: Say we trade for Kessel and toronto is willing to eat his entire salary for next season and then nothing else, will the league take the $8mill, average it over the 7 yrs remaining, and reduce OUR cap consequence by $1.1428 million??? If they DON'T, we've got a little loophole in the CBA we can exploit.... See, it pays to eat drugs... ;->

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:20 pm EST

JFC - I love Ward like you do, but can't see it with out cap limitations...But hey, if he wants a short term contract with the chance to win the CUp..:)

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:18 pm EST

Plus, WILD has a good point about that "last" contract..I think the Rangers need to go "youngish (and Nash)" for "youngish" (while shedding salary)..and then fine tuning with a vet or two on a short contract...Not sure if any of that is doable though

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:12 pm EST

nn you trying to take someone's job here on the wall?.....you're in spin trouble..... ..........MOOF maybe the wife wants to trade you in.....were you her first round pick.. you might be her dan boyle.......lol....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:11 pm EST

Ola obsession? We're trying to find a guy to replace points, one that is not afraid of contact and wont cost us too much, as we don't have much. Personally Id rather have Johansson or Ovechkin when it comes to the Caps, even Backstrom - a good playmaker.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:10 pm EST

And the mishits keep on coming: Boston Bruins have swapped recently acquired goalie Martin Jones to the Sharks for a 2016 first round pick and prospect Sean Kuraly

PatrickDiv


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:07 pm EST

Joel Ward is EXACTLY the kind of player we need to import to this team. He would bring all the missing ingredients....great board work, goes to the dirty area (and STAYS there), can handle the rough stuff. If he is a UFA, Sather should tell his bean counters to figure out scenarios where we can get him in here under the cap. Seriously....JOEL WARD?!? I don't care if you have to dump salary to get him here ((Klein/Yandle for draft picks)...just do it!!

JFC31


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:04 pm EST

MF: You are also assuming the Rangers had any interest in Yakupov..maybe they don't. Maybe they think he does not fit into the culture of the team (just trying to play devil's advocate). Maybe they think he is another head case like Semin. As the song states..You can't always get what you want :)

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 12:02 pm EST

mf: I wont repeat it...just ask a question that the Rangers brass is asking. How much of MSLs production do they have to replace, meaning they will have some extra from other guys how much will they need to break even, and how much to get ahead. They don't necessarily NEED a 50 point guy, a 35-40 point guy may be enough to give them a step up.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:57 am EST

I cannot understand the obsession with the Caps worthless depth players lol. Wouldn't even want Ward, Chimera and co here on try outs...

Ola


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:55 am EST

NN: Edmonton is bloated down the middle, so a deal including The Yak, would somewhat organically call for a replacement wing as in Hagelin.... After a goaltender & D'man, Edmonton also needs a little veteran or experienced presence, and Hags provides that... Yak does not...... jmo naturally...... Folks forgive me, I'm reeling pissed from the weekends fiasco, I told my wife I was done with this team.... I think she panicked for her life :-)

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:50 am EST

Excuse me: KK - s/b -- CK as in Chris Kreider

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:50 am EST

Fotiu/Wild, at 34 a 6yr even a 4yr set in stone contract is a bit much for any team to chew on. I think he might possibly come down and do a 2yr.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:50 am EST

Ward is a RHS RW who goes where he wants to on the ice, like to the blue paint in front of the goalie, a good thing..... I'd kick the tires there; however, he aint top six point production..... So you have MZA, Miller, Joel Ward, & Yum Yum down the right side.... Joel Ward replaces the point production of HAGELIN, now where's MSL's 50-55 points coming from?? Wild, no need to repeat the improved production from KK, Hayes, Miller, etc....

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:49 am EST

Hospo: And if he really does get 4.5 for 5, I think thats too much for what he would bring. I think that you could get it cheaper, even if it cost an asset going the other way...like younger guy for a younger guy type thing. Not an "easy" trade but one that makes sense.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:47 am EST

FOTIU - Love Joel WARD..Now that would be a good replacement for Hags..But, I've given up on adding anybody with the CAP clusterfuck the Rangers (and, yes, other teams) are in before deals..Or do they have money to add a player or two without trading..?

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:45 am EST

Saw a rumor a while back, Ward is looking for his last contract. AAV of 4.5 or so for 4-6 years. SO he will be out of range, and I don't think I want him for that long anyway, so he isn't a good fit that way.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:44 am EST

Stevie: A Brooklyneese boy like you doesn't know if the chicken came before the egg or vice versa? Embarrassing to the rest of us Broolynista's, embarrassing.....

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:43 am EST

mf: A trade like that, a "Deal" like that rather would have to be a handshake...it can't be done under the current CBA. I don't think there are any optional years at all anymore...and surely not as a stand alone extension. Not fully sure when he can be extended...is it at any time? I know some RFAs have rules, and even UFAs have rules, but I don't know them all.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:42 am EST

Ward just came off of a four year, $12M contract so he was making $3M per year. Going to be 34. Definitely too expensive with our cap issues unless everybody else in the league has them as well. As you noted, doesn't get a ton of attention so maybe he doesn't get signed right away and you could get him on a 1 year deal for cheap.....

Fotiu22


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:40 am EST

NN: We could ask any potential trade partner to offer Boyle an additional year at at least "X" dollars, or X dollars if he reached certain personal goals, or the team reached certain levels.... "Big IF" the trade partner would agree to a 2nd year ""at the palyers option"" of at least $2,250,000 (half of this years contract) he might listen.... What I'm saying is twofold; you don't know until you have the conversation, and we don't know first hand..... All spilt milk, the bottom line as I see it now, is for us to brainstorm a way to get us the players we need to win the Cup!

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:38 am EST

mf: the Rangers were the 3rd highest scoring team last season...they don't need more, just more timely and more post season.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:36 am EST

Forgot he played for just 2mil last year. Would he play for 1 this year? Move Hayes to wing? Still I would rather a more physical center of they move Hayes to wing.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:36 am EST

Fotiue,,,you know, I was looking at him. He's a tough player, doesn't shy from the front of the net, was a royal pain in the ass during the playoffs. (Ward) I mean when you have Ovi, and Backstrom it's easy to overlook a Ward's contribution. (oh lest we forget Beagel - lol) wonder what he would want? Cost?

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:34 am EST

Stevie: Glass was 50% of the player he finished the season as before SHEPPARD came aboard.... The weight of the responsibility was too much for one man, especially when "Coach Surrender" has this team playing in panties..... F_ck that sh_t right now, mix a little Tortorella into the french connection, and fix this G-d damn mess.....>>>>OAN: We need scoring, "points," that would mean top six talent..... Get on the phone with the Iceholes and find out if Okposo is available!!! Yeah it may cost Klein if Boyle won't go or won't work.... Call up Toronto, and kick the tires on Kessel.... (Both are RHS RW's & if FAST can play the LW, it seems that we need a RW) call up every effin club and find out who or what may be available..... And please spare me the, this team will never do it, or, nobody wants this or that guy, because, you dont know until you try it!

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:34 am EST

As for BRich coming back...I could see it. He wasn't unhappy really I don't think, may not have liked how he was used...but when given the chances he wasn't playing like a top guy a lot. And the Rangers didn't get rid of him due to his play, it was cap stuff. So if he came really cheap I could see that. But I imagine multiple teams will offer him good money.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:34 am EST

LeoS hmmm, not many, I know *I* don't, would turn their nose up at 69 points, 42 goals. He's a good player and a 2 way player. I cant deny him that.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:33 am EST

Any interest in Joel Ward? Too much money? Or does he only play well against us in the playoffs? Seems like a grinder who can get the dirty goals come playoff time......

Fotiu22


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:32 am EST

MF: You are assuming the Oilers had any interest in Hags..maybe they didn't want to pay a 3rd liner north of $3 million; maybe if was signed and not a RFA to be. Boyle has repeatedly said he would not waive his NMC.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:30 am EST

RF4L: normal terms meaning it counts against the cap instead of how BRich was bought out with zero cap hit.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:28 am EST

MF - No arguement, but perhaps the old coot has something, anything left up his sleeve......STEVIE - I think that would help, but I also don;t think the forwards with the most ice time,NASH and Step (or any of the other guys yet), are the players to lead the forwards ito WIN the CUP...We are missing a key player that can help do that....Again, JMWO..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:20 am EST

HOSPO: IMO, the NYR totally blew it... the time to move Step & or Nash (who I would not have looked to trade at this point, maybe after next season) was before the Draft began..... Yeah I know, shoulda, woulda, coulda, anf hindsight is 20/20, we all know this, but when negotiating you most identify places where you can deal from strength...... Take Boyle for instance: he may very well have been open to a trade to Colorado with Hagelin, Denver's real hip, winter sports galore, pot is leagal :-), no-one on this Wall knows if he would have been open to such a suggestion, including RF4L. ;-) .... OAN, Sather couldn't parlay Talbot & something into YAKUPOV? WTF? He's a former first round 1st pick who some here say, "well, I can't see how he was a 1st pick overall." Well, his draft year wasn't the deepest in history, and at the time he was going top 3...... Edmonton said they wanted: a goaltender & a defenseman: Talbot / Boyle / Hagelin for YAKUPOV & a pick...... I think Chia-Pet would have taken the bait..... I believe Boyle is from Ottawa Canada, going with two other teammates he may have agreed... YAKUPOV is signed for 2 more years @ $2.5mill...... It was clearly obvious to anyone who took the time to add up the cap consequences of the players we have signed that more money needed to be moved in order to manuever.. In a deal like the one proposed you take less to undue a previously poor decision, signing Boyle to 2 yrs with a NTC..... Then you move T.Glass for a pair of theatre tickets to clear an additional $1,450,000...... The net result, we save whatever Hags needed to be signed to MINUS the $2.5 mill YAK gets paid, we shed Boyle & his $4.5mill charm bracelet, and we subtract the cost of the back-up goalie..... Missed, missed, missed, opportunities, now what? Trade Kevin Klein? Unfortunately he may now be a casualty of this mess.... Trying to look at this from a positive side, perhaps there is an available RHS defenseman out their to replace him at $1mill... But then still, what are you saving, $1.9mill? Big Woop..... in closing, I'd like to extend a big warm welcome to our new 4th line RW, Yum-Yum Eat-Me! ........

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:15 am EST

Wild: It would have arguably, Sather's worse decision ever if he'd elected not to buy out BR. There was no choice given that enormous penalty via the new CBA. That said, BR is an UFA again - would he entertain coming back to NY via a cap friendly deal?

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:14 am EST

NN: Right - it's not a front loaded contract where the hit keeps on hitting (like 10 years for Richards with the pain rising in years 4 and 5).

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:13 am EST

Hospo: Agreed. Wild: I am more concerned with the pending crunch due to the 6 high picks traded away. It's coming. The Hags deal is just the first tremor. Imagine, as I posted, Duclair had been left off of the Yandle trade. It's reasonable to surmise he'd be viewed as Hags replacement, not Etem, so Hagelin could have fetched a better 'future' return.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:12 am EST

Hospo if Glass and Big Mac watch their teammates' backs, and smash guys like malkinsteen, crybaby, slumpkos, and ovienoknobie , headman, liljohnson. callahandjob , etc ...those guys expected to score might do their jobs.....having a real 3rd line checking, and a 4th crash line forces the other 2 lines to be goal scorers......to me it's all about the playoffs and winning 16 games, the regular season is just post preseason.

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:11 am EST

Semin's buyout cap hit is $2.33 for the next 6 years.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:10 am EST

What do you mean by normal terms? They don't exist for players with front loaded contracts. To my knowledge, the only 2 who weren't bought out with that type of deal are Hossa and Richards (although I could be wrong there) and now the Kings are trying to circumvent that pain.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:08 am EST

RF4L agreed it is way too early to judge how they'll play in the AHL, of course I was judging how Etem will play in the NHL, not too much optimism there, but there is some. As for the article, thanks, it is a lot more encouraging

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:06 am EST

I can't imagine how this wall would be blowing up, if Sather decided NOT to use a compliance buyout on BRich last year, and than bought him out under normal terms this year. Semin is being bought out. Hell I would have lead the linch mob to go get Sather if he did that. How did these GMS not see what seemingly everyone else did. LA is trying to find away around it, the Canes are going to eat it for years, just mind boggling. Its not like Semin was playing at a 7 mil level before the last compliance bouts were there. Maybe I am not remembering something timing wise....but it seems to me his name was rumored as one who may get a compliance buyout....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 11:03 am EST

Piece of crap Semin on waivers....

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:55 am EST

RF4L: My point is made by you. Shaw is a 5th rounder...139th overall. And the other kid...well as I said, there was one who just recently had an impact, thats Teravaine, and yes he did very well with limited ice time in the regular season and did better with a little more ice time in the post season. Drafted in 2012...funny enough...the Rangers had a first rounder that year, Brady Skjei. But my point still stands, i all those drafts they have 3 players who have come up form the first and 2nd rounds. And in some of those years they had multiple second rounders. They have not continued to win due to a regular flow of young players from the top rounds. They have had a good team due to god overall drafting...something the Rgners have had as well. Since the Rangers have not had a first rounder. YOU SAY its part of the problem, and the fact that Chicago HASNT traded picks like Sather is why they have done well. SO lets look...since the Rangers first draft where they didn't have a first and the Hawks did...the Hawks have a whopping 5 games from ALL their draft picks combined...and its one single first rounder. In those same 3 years the rangers got 20 games total out of their guys. Of course one is Duclair. But still. You point to the draft picks being traded as part of a problem and point to the Hawks as how it should be done...but nothing, not a single thing points to them having a pipeline of young talent out of the first round, or to have had any affect of the more recent drafts. I have said it before, it will be a few years still, 2-3 before we will see any real impact of no first rounders...and thats if the kids picked i that 3rd round and other kids picked (along with signings like Hayes) don't work out as good as many hope. If they do it will not mater in the grand scheme of things really. But as of right now, the lack of picks has ZERO to do with any struggles the rangers have in any area.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:53 am EST

STEVIE - I just don't see guys like NASH and Stepan, and Hayes/MIller/Kid K for another few years, leading that charge up front..We need somebody to do that better..Keep in mind, I mean this in respect to WINNING THE CUP, not being a good team, which they are..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:50 am EST

RF4L - What that shows you is it's all about evaluationg your own players correctly, Knowing which ones you need to WIN and can't deal, and which ones you can let go/trade (even if they become successful elsewhere) in order to keep the trade chips flowing,and to be there when you need to fix your team for the PO run...The Blackhawks and The Patriots in the NFL do it like that all the time

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:45 am EST

Hospo I'm not sure which comes 1st the chicken or the egg. I think if this team became half the Broadway bullies, the goal scores might do a better job. ...bravery is really missing in the playoffs.....alias confidence.....the coach doesn't seem to believe that.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:40 am EST

Rhet: True and who hasn't enjoyed these runs, although this year's not as much as last time because they were expected to win. Different kind of pressure.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:39 am EST

Wild: Yes, the Hawks' foundation is built around Kane and Toews, drafted 1st and 3rd overall respectively, which highlights the merits of bottoming out and acquiring top end talent (but that's another argument/discussion that's raged on and off here for years and doesn't really need to rekindled - lol). But, look at 3 of the team's key contributors to the latest cup: Saad, Shaw and Teravainen - all 3 are origin Hawks, drafted and developed by them in the past few years. In addition, their organizational depth allowed them to easily trade away a first and Dahlbeck, a Hawk 3rd round pick from 2011 for Vermette, who played a key role in the cup victory. That first will likely be recouped with the pending trade of Bickel and/or Sharp.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:34 am EST

STEVIE - He won't, but he should..Already had three shots with them as the offensive "leaders"..Could be too late after one more failed attempt, which I think is likely..Composition and PO ability just ain't right..IMWO..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:31 am EST

Stevie.... They don't want to pay him out and this smack of cap circumvention to me, but they are the League darlings and I would never expect the League to ever investigate it.... RF4L... If NYR fans don't find any joy in the team doing well (ie. the last 4 years), then what is left?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:24 am EST

rf4l you can bet the house on it....it's the only way to get him to retire...he has to win the cup to prove he's a genius.....he's missing his coach's part in not getting it done......excuses are unacceptable, but he has accepted them year after year, and then he fires his coach.....the merry-go-round will continue until the brass ring is caught.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:17 am EST

stevie: I am, as you and everyone else knows, hardly a Sather fan. That said, I am not discounting the current wave of success the team has had. It's credible for sure. However, my concern is that Sather is desperate and losing sight of the bigger picture and as a result has been making unwise decisions, starting with the horrid MSL acquisition. Since then, we've seen Boyle vs Stralman, the Yandle deal and now these 2 at the draft (even tho the Talbot trade had nothing to do with the 'now'). All the while, the cap has been pushed to the max. Sather hasn't experienced a cup win in over 25 years and in his 15 years as the Ranger architect he's made bad decisions far more often than not. Those ones I just listed all for me, fall into the bad category. I now have this very uneasy feeling that more bad decisions are forthcoming as Sather transitions from desperate to panicky.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:07 am EST

Hospo do you think Sather would do that? he thinks he has a cup winning team and he might be right if he kicks veenknow's ass who in turn kicks Nash's ass....and gets his team to kick ass instead of playing nice....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:01 am EST

WIOSA - I agree Nash didn't "disappear"...because technically I don't think you *can* "disappear" if you never showed up in the first place. jmho.

LeoS


Tue Jun 30 2015 10:00 am EST

Deal NASH and/or Stepan..Build a Cup WINNING team..

Hospo


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:48 am EST

rhet sounds like another stoll problem....don't be surprised if the nyr sign one of them or resign msl......or brad Richards.....it's in Sather's dna......

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:31 am EST

It's been reported that Mike Richards had his contract terminated due to a "Border Incident." TSN 1200 legal analyst Eric Macramalla knows the details of the incident and says that the Kings will have a tough time getting this termination to stand. He expects it to be overturned in arbitration.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:28 am EST

Rf4l if they win it or get close like the last 2 years sather probably thinks he made the right moves. He has guys to promote Limburger and Big Mac . I think he should try to resign shepherd if the price fits. Hunwick I would let walk . He's in the way of Big Mac who will be lost on waivers if not kept up. Let Veenknow play 7 d like he did in game 7 . But use Big Mac correctly to bring him along. I'd like to see him get some 4 th line crash duty and some pp time either on the point or in front of the net . Not many will agree with that but he has to stay here and learn. Limburger will be able to do whatever is needed of him hopefully . That should fill the roster for next season as long as he can sign the rfas. ... Mr blank slate has to get a pp , faceoffs won, be hard to play against even if the ok has to be used more , and get this team really playoff ready....I don't care if they just slip into the playoffs with the last spot.

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:22 am EST

mf: You really already have decided that Boyle would be A-OK with being moved. When he signed he mentioned how important it was at his age to have stability, and the NTC being an important part. I think I even remember something about another team willing to pay more but no NTC (probably the Oilers or some other bad team) so why, just a year later would he be OK with packing up and starting over again? Thats the biggest issue. I am 100% sure, even at 4.5 mil if he had no conditions on his tradability that there would be 4 or 5 teams at least interested. They may not give up a lot, but he is movable, easily actually, but with that NTC it is nearly impossible.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:15 am EST

RF4L: see this is it where it goes off the rails for you. Chicago. Since they drafted Kane. Has had 2 just 2 first or second rounder have any sort of impact for them, and one more that has started to. So 3 at the best and two of them are in the last season or so and conbine for less than 82 games played. Outside of Saad they have had very little impact on those cups. You will argue this of course...but facts are facts. They haven't continued to win because they have steady flow of young players. They have had a couple. The Rangers have had a big impact from their system as well. Kreider is their own pick. But you can't discount McD being brought into the system, or Hayes. It's not just the draft of course, trades and NCAA UFAs count (especially those former first rounders like Hayes who go to UFA early) the Hawks have had the same if not more impact from later rounds...much like the Rangers. The difference of course is the Hawks had back to back drafts with just outstanding players (who now get paid 10 per) but the point is. The Hawks have not used their first and second round picks to have a steady stream of young players to continue winning cups. The facts do not bear that out.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:13 am EST

mf: Why on earth would either team want that package, unless they are looking to dump in return another crappy contract. Nah, methinks you're dreaming. Thank goodness Boyle was only signed to a 2 year deal. And hopefully, he plays next year like he did late in the POs. Hell, if so, he might be tradeable come the trade deadline...

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:10 am EST

Wild: Let's see if you can understand this: UFA is one of 3 ways of addressing a team need (drafting/developing and trading being the other 2). It is, of the 3, the least desirable but certainly not without it's merits provided it's done with intelligence and is recognized as avenue number 3 for team building (i.e. not number 1 or 2, which it was for Neil Smith and then Sather in the late 90s/early 00s). This team needs more grit up front and from what I can discern, Matt Belesky would help address that issue, with perhaps Chris Stewart or Joel Ward as secondary options. All 3 are out of bounds for the Rangers as it stands now because of poor cap management (unless Sather surprises us and today trades a big contract away for picks/prospects, which would indeed be a surprise - lol). However, given Sather's track record with UFAs (re Gomez, Redden, etc) it's probably for the better he can't go looking (which was my last point).

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:08 am EST

By packaging Hags with Boyle... There were two teams, Anaslime and LA (prior to the Lucic signing) we could have targeted... St.Louis was rumored to want to move Oshie & Backed... If Hag's agrees to a contract, St. Louis may have listened.. Yes of course Boyle has to agree, but when you sit a man down and tell him we can't keep you for money reasons, would you give us 3-5 teams that you can live with AV's?) He, Boyle, just might comply... Boyle & Glass still have to go... And Y18, as far out as the suggestion may seem, I have been tossing out some obvious names Okposo/Kessel to add to our point production

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:05 am EST

mf, mf, mf, mf: No one wants Boyle (except Glen Sather). No one. He's a Ranger and will stay a Ranger until his contract runs out. At least Sather jettisoned MSL. That couldn't have been easy for that egotistic buffoon, given the enormous price he paid to get him.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:04 am EST

RF4L: You are upset with Sather for having overspent for UFAs and are upset he has no money going into the UFA period. But that's not bad because you don't wanting him overspending on UFAs. Maybe you need to write things differently because that's what you wrote, and it's contradictory

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:03 am EST

stevie: Yes - the existence of a cap means you need to be able to promote from within (which is one significant reason the Hawks have 3 cups in 6 years). To promote from within you need young players worthy of that promotion. To have young kids worthy of promotion you need draft picks to acquire them, the higher the better. It's an extremely simple concept. I get going for it. I get trading away assets/picks in effort to go for it. But 6 high picks in a few short years? Dammit, you'd better win because the resulting fallout ends up being a downhill snowball. Some of us have been posting about this for a while now and sure enough, the Hagelin trade is a prime example of this. I fear this is only the start.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:00 am EST

It's now official they are in cap hell this year. Things change rapidly here....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 9:00 am EST

Vic, thanks for chiming in... You had plenty of company this past weekend, I morphed into Rambo.... You pinpointed another elementry missed opportunity blunder by the Rangers...Here's Boyle had to be moved... You take slightly less for Hags to get us out of the pickle that is Boyle.... Now, we're still left with "the pickle." Keep the faith brother...

mf


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:57 am EST

Wild/Cerny: You really need to either read my posts in full and/or take some time digesting what they contain. Either that, or simply ignore them.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:55 am EST

Vic: What bothers me about getting Etem is the fact that Sather surely could have moved Hags for a first (either this year or next year). However, I suspect he elected to add another perceived top 9 forward because he's still shooting for the cup (not a bad thing) and has no confidence someone of Etem's ability is ready to graduate from Hartford or the amateur ranks. If that's an accurate take on the motivation behind the Hags return, than that's far more disconcerting than getting Etem. It's also not unexpected - it's what you get when you trade away 6 high draft picks in a short period of time. Now think of this: Rumour has it Duclair was included in the Yandle trade because Sather's cap management was so poor he had to get Maloney to eat a bunch of Yandle's salary and Duclair was the offering to make that happen. Better cap management, in other words, would mean, potentially, Duclair is still Ranger property and Hags' top 9 forward replacement. If so, then Hags could have been moved for that first round pick, meaning you have a young top 9 forward AND a first. That is lousy asset management IMO. That old fossil needs to retire. NOW!

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:55 am EST

Vic/rf4l I understand your pick issues and cap concerns. Sather can't walk and chew gum. He needs to fix the nhl roster to be playoff able. Trading Hagelin was not the answer . I'm pretty sure they could have worked something out . I'm not sure they even tried. And there lies the problem none of us know enough facts and can only surmise . I guess the talbot deal was ok time will tell that . But limiting trading him to the west was not very bright. The cap is forcing teams to promote from within. Which means you better have potential nhl guys .and if they can move big dollar guys and replace with 2or 3 guys in exchange they might be better off. But the window is closing . They came close the last 2 years and should try this year again. They should not change course now. In 2 years maybe they will have to. Right now just go for it.

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:51 am EST

RF4L: you have always been the loudest about Sather overpaying for UFAs, well now you upset he doesn't have cap room for those same UFA's. Pick a way you want him to go. Or is it you just want him to pay less for guys and have millions in cap space? As for next years cap. 17-18 maybe 19 mil in space for 5-6 players is a monster amount of cap space for a top end team...this year only 9 teams have 17 mil or more in cap space. You can continue to increase the amount of money the RFAs will demand all you want. But this year is cap hell, next year doesn't seem too bad RIGHT NOW. If they only sign this years RFAs (or a few of them I think Step signs long term) than it will affect next year more. But right now it's a breeze next year so relax.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:49 am EST

In the past 2 to 3 years, in lieu of all those high picks traded away (4 consecutive firsts and 2 seconds), Sather has attempted to address that by signing a bevy of collegiate and junior unrestricted free agents. These include forwards Ryan Haggerty, Micheal Kantor, Chris McCarthy, Josh Nichols and defensemen Conor Allen, Troy Donnay, Matt Bodie, Tommy Hughes and Petr Zamorsky. Haggerty and Allen are now out of the organization and at this point, it looks like most will amount to nothing more than AHL fodder. The only one that looks intriguing at this point is Zamorsky, although I don't know enough about him to even confidently state that he 'looks intriguing'. When all of these kids were signed I figured one or two of them might make it. Given Chicago's track record with youth, I won't be surprised if Haggerty's second pro season is a good one. It will really suck if he ends up making the Hawks in a couple of years (and turns out to be the only one of that group that makes it).

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:46 am EST

One more thing before I head out. This EATME kid (my new name for the kid that simultaneously lets the organization know how I feel about this trade) is being touted as an immediate replacement for HAGS. I see stuff like "has HAGS like speed with better hands" and "a bigger, more physical version of HAGS". Sorry, not buying it. This is more BS thrown around to placate people and get them to feel good about a bad trade. If EATME was all that, Anaheim would have never let him go. They would have no need for HAGS as they already had a younger, bigger, and more talented version of HAGS who cost less, right? No, EATME is no HAGS. Maybe EATME will turn out to be the next POULIOT but I strongly doubt it. No, EATME has the stench of ENVER LISIN written all over him. Hey GLENN......EATME.

Vic


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:20 am EST

WIOSA: This is just one man's opinion but you might find this article interesting - a take on the Rangers weekend: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/6/29/8860209/new-york-rangers-draft-day-grades. He's got some decent insights on the kids that were selected and I tend to concur with his take on Gropp FWIW.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:16 am EST

WIOSA: IMO it's way too early to question any of the kids selected. I mean, geesh, it's been 4 days. FWIW, I like what I read about Gropp and Gordie Clark's track record isn't horrible by any means. Gropp has skill and size and more importantly, likes to use both to his advantage. I do get some of the consternation - he was rated below where he was selected by virtually all the so called experts. But IMO that really doesn't mean too much - it wasn't like he was totally off the radar. It'll be interesting to hear how he's faring in the current prospect camp - apparently no press is permitted until tomorrow.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:12 am EST

So I guess it's safe to assume the Rangers won't be making much of a splash in tomorrow's UFA pool. There are a few guys available who I think would be upgrades for the Rangers, but there's simply no money to do anything of significance. Any of Belesky, Vermette, Oduya, Stafford, Stewart and Green could help the Rangers. Of course, that's said realizing most, if not all, will end up being overpaid anyways, so best that Sather handcuffed himself anyways I suppose.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:04 am EST

RF4L I know. You know me long enough to know I haven't a clue on minor league players, but many are starting to question our choice of Gropp, who apparently other scouts passed on, or dropped down to a third round pick. Kovak OTOH they thought was a good pick up. I just don't see where our assets are to pick up a power forward - who can score at least 25-30. We need someone to take the pressure off Nash and to annoy the sh*t out of the opposition. It's a long summer (and getting longer by the minute) so maybe we'll do something. I, for one, do NOT want to see Kessel.

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 8:04 am EST

Melville- we have been a pretty good team the last 4 years or so- more playoff series than anyone- no cup, but got pretty close. The one blessing is our moronic owners- Dolan and his simpleton son- at least defer to Sather. When Slats leaves- and I'm fairly sure it will be in the next year or so- there are no guarantees the Dolans won't meddle with a GM they have less confidence in. And then, my friends, we only have to look at the other tenants in that building to see what happens then.thank God idiot James Dolan doesn't care for hockey- not like his beloved Knicks.

puckyou


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:47 am EST

WIOSA: Why wouldn't we be? No first and 2 trades with questionable returns. Another middling draft weekend led by Glen Sather. Roosting chickens....

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:46 am EST

Certainly not a Sather Fan but for me it's a little different....Until Ownership changes we'll continue with NO CUP. Chicago got good once that Fossil Ed Wirtz moved on. We need ownership that actually wants to WIN a CUP not just be happy to compete, sell out the Garden and make a bundle selling Jersey's and Cablevision.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:46 am EST

Vic: Ahmen bro. And now some are saying, just as they were with this year's cap, there will be no issues next year. Pretty funny. AFAIC, their current cap situation is hardly rosy - once everyone is signed, if no further roster trades occur, they'll be up at the top and that risks Sather making another stupid deadline deal that results in overpayment due to the opposing GM eating salary.

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:43 am EST

Vic,,,FWIW and sports illustrated is not exactly the last bastion of hockey knowledge, but they do rank the Draft/Trade weekend by Teams...in the East we are second from last, only passed by Boston....who truly had a WTF????? weekend, I guess ours was just a WTH????? weekend in many eyes,

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:41 am EST

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/29/rangers-carl-hagelin-talbot/

Vic


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:41 am EST

Wouldn't touch Richards with a 1 kilo bag taped to a 10-foot pole...

Rexi29


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:40 am EST

Vic ...good post. I was a little upset the way some people, not really here, but other boards, were dismissing Hags contribution. I love role players...the 'unsung heroes' of a team, and many, many times that described Hags to a T. He, like Nash, didn't "disappear" in the playoffs, they both were busting their butts putting in effort wherever they could. That said, it didn't kill us, but it didn't help us. And THAT is more upsetting. Im not one of the people that said we could/couldn't sign everyone with our current Cap, as I don't fully understand the cap numbers. That said I do remember you and especially RF4L saying NFW, something has to give. Anyroad, from where I sit, I do hope/pray/think we will get some more production out of Hayes, Fast, and Miller, to make up some of MSL's and Hags numbers. The speed and tenacity from Hags? I dunno..I still think we need a roster forward..no projects, no grey beards. Just MHO

WIOSA


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:38 am EST

The other thing that I wanted to say was I wanted to ask folks here how unreasonable a $3 to $3.5 Million salary is for a guy that averages about 17.5 goals a season and 39 points a season (all even strength or PK) while being a goto defensive player at the end of periods/games, a top penalty killer and a disruptive force on the forecheck? The answer for anyone who understands that level of value is that HAGS is a steal at that contract amount. That is why Anaheim was so thrilled to get him. And yet, we hear that he priced himself off the Rangers or that his contract was going to be more then the Rangers could afford. Why??? Why is HAGS a bargain for other teams but not the Rangers? The answer is that SATHER and crew have badly mismanaged the Cap and roster. So much so that they have to part with players that other teams would be eager to have, like HAGS and KLIEN, just so the Rangers can pay guys that nobody else really wants (certainly not at the amount they are making, like BOYLE and GLASS). I also find it interesting that folks are just fine with BRASSARD's $5 Million Cap hit yet his career numbers show that he averages a goal less then HAGS per season while overall scoring 8 points more the HAGS per season (16.5 and 47 respectively). And don't forget those numbers include massive amounts of PP time and top 6 linemates. Plus BRASSARD isn't exactly a defensive dynamo. Losing a productive and extremely important player like HAGS because of Cap mismanagement is almost criminal IMHO. And yet it is already being glossed over. Just another bad mistake by a management team that makes far more mistakes then positive moves......

Vic


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:32 am EST

LOL...

RF4L


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:32 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/former-rangers/john-moore/phoenix-doesnt-qualify-john-moore/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:16 am EST

I was so furious with the Rangers this past weekend that I wanted nothing to do with them, including The Wall. I've calmed down over the past day or so but my view remains unchanged. As I've skimmed through the conversation here since then a few things have struck me. First and foremost I wanted to jump right in and side with RF4L as he and I were the loudest when it came to the Rangers Cap issues all year. We were told by many here that we were just negative and looking for something to complain about as the Rangers had plenty of Cap space to resign everyone. Now, when it was clearly obvious that the Rangers didn't we see those same people changing their story. Interesting....very interesting. Second, I see a chorus people who are now dismissing the value that HAGS had to the team. If feels like folks are trying to make themselves feel better about the fact that he is gone by saying stuff like "he was just a bottom 6 player" and "he is easily replaceable", etc. Sorry, I like FAST but he is nowhere near HAGS league in terms of the disruptive presence that HAGS was on a nightly basis. The numbers that HAGS put up this year were not impressive. It was a down year for him for sure. I complained all year about how many chances HAGS had and he would either miss the net or put it into the goaltenders chest. He wasn't doing that in previous years. Two things jump out at me when you look at things like that. First, was the fact that HAGS was getting boatloads of chances. I think he was second on the team to NASH in that respect. The second is that he was down from his normal shooting percentage. That speaks to me of a guy who is going to have a great bounce-back year this year. That infers that HAGS is likely to have a 25+ goal year this year in Anaheim and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it.

Vic


Tue Jun 30 2015 7:11 am EST

Back to the play for the tie steal the point in ot... But it means zippo in the playoffs . The team needs to be built for the cup not the presidents trophy....and then the coach has to figure out how to win 16 games with what he has .... And how to cheat and deal with the refs and the pp and faceoffs and intimidation and grit and intangibles et al.... Until that happens sather stays....forget whistle to whistle ....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:56 am EST

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-deal-cam-talbot-carl-hagelin-etem-article-1.2273387

stevielegs


Tue Jun 30 2015 6:31 am EST

Sather is the devil he's the worst I wish he would retire blah blah blah I have bad news guys sather is not running this on his own. The moves he makes are done with his core guys and he can step aside tomorrow and things would work very much the same. Gordie is talking about building for the 3 on 3 which goes with what the team is doing. As pointed out sather isn't even there for deals only the sign off. I don't see things changing much when he steps aside. Talbot out west is something I get but don't get, if they faced him 5 times a year so what? Allaire knows where he's weak better than anyone exploit it, but the rangers obviously feel he's the real deal. Connor Allen went from top pair to second and third pair in Hartford he didn't progress and he is being let go. Now everyone who was thinking the rangers thought he was better then wrath can relax. I think tge worst deal that happened saturday was hags I'm not sold on etim but honestly haven't seen enough of him to know. This gropp kid was someone they wanted bad so this will be interesting. As someone pointed out the rangers obviously never saw hags as more then a third liner under two coaches now. Everyone was given a shot at the top lines this year accept him. Miller who was sent down was given a chance before he was. I think fast made him easier to move. Hags is quicker in open ice but fast is more physical and has better hands and is not slow by any stretch. The questions now become can miller step up and be consistent, can etim step in and produce and something being left out is as bad as he was in the playoffs who replaces msl regular season production? That's 50 points right there that needs to be replaced. Hayes produced and controlled play best at venter last year moving him to wing may not produce the same second half production because his production dropped off at wing. Lindberg should be ready but where do you play him if you keep Hayes at wing? Skeij is at least a dec/Jan call up away unless he does some sick training this summer and comes to camp with better reads.

York18


Tue Jun 30 2015 1:17 am EST

Dean Lombardi is always talking about the Kings as a "family." Right now, they look prescient in going away from the old purple and yellow to silver and black because they have become the Oakland Raiders of hockey.

Bob


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:47 pm EST

And Garth snow beat sather to the punch. Lemonlou was smart enough to step aside. The genius won't until he proves he can do it here. Thanks Veenknow for blowing 2 chances to get this old man to stop being the gm.

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:32 pm EST

RDW - The Bruins have been going steadily downhill since they traded SEGUIN...Chiarelli followed up his first act with a second, nearly as horrible one in trading BOYCHUK...then when he was fired, Sweeney picked up where he left off...the Bruins will struggle to make the playoffs next year...And were I to call it now, I'd say the Jackets and Florida will easily overtake them...They struggled mightily after losing Boychuk. Losing HAMILTON and LUCIC was the death knell for that team...The general tenor right now in Boston is that Sweeney went into the draft with HANIFAN in his sites...determined to get the guy come hell or high water...but then all the teams with the top five picks told them to screw off and when it came his time to draft, he simply choked...that's why I keep saying all the doom-and-gloomers here need to pump the brakes. Say what you will about the Rangers' cap management..there are teams in the NHL that are FAR worse(see: The demise of Pittsburgh and Boston).

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:57 pm EST

JFC - Damn straight with another Ranger mangement dumb ass like Clark..Yeah, be my guest and build for that 3 on 3..Hell, even bring back Eric Christensen for the SO...Or let's bring in the inconsistent and reluctant to use his size ETEM becasue he sure can dangle when there's plenty of space...Lord Knows that's better than adding players that can win tight physical PO games...Somebody to win FO's and control the puck migh t be nice also..

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:55 pm EST

What time is it on that sather broken clock? It's a broken record...Time to step aside....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:50 pm EST

RF4L: I have a feeling that the Rangers have said "we want you back" and made an offer, maybe not a very good one, to Hunnwick because he was a good foot soldier and don't want to just cut him lose without an offer that he can at least have a paycheck. Even if a team doesn't talk with him in UFA they may look to trade for a guy if they have some get hurt or play like crap in camp.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:49 pm EST

Breakdown of the Bruins lines and D pairings after last weeks moves: http://nesn.com/2015/06/bruins-roster-reset-projected-lines-pairings-after-nhl-draft-trades/ They don't look like they've gotten any better. Especially if Chara goes down

RDW


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:47 pm EST

RF4L: no it's just your narrow minded ways. Anyone who doesn't just hate everything Sather does automatically is a "stroker"

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:45 pm EST

Arizona did not qualify John Moore.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:40 pm EST

Rhet: If he was a RHS I would consider it.... Want Yandle resigned, and I'm still shopping for a foster home Boyle....

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:36 pm EST

Re: Mike RIchards... I have to imagine that the Players Association will be protesting the termination of his contract. A couple of things: 1-I guarantee you this is why the team did not use a compliance buyout.(and if there's proof that they knew of this "info" that long, they wont be able to terminate it); 2-The whole thing just seems so very convenient. Something smells in the state of Denmark.The fallout should be interesting. I will be interested to see what kind of deal Richards will settle for now that he doesn't have his bought out contract money to fall back on ......MF...... I'm kind of surprised you're not banging the drum to bring John Moore back to NY, considering he was not qualified by AZ and is now an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:11 pm EST

LOL...I dunno, but the endless all things Sather and Rangers is a little over the top and given MSG's mandate that all employees stroke Sather, it's possible.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:05 pm EST

Rf4l maybe zipay since he works for Dolan ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:52 pm EST

I'd rather McI be the 7th d-man that Hunwick. Good soldier but another in a long line of career bubble players. See ya!

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:50 pm EST

Wild - are you Jim Cerny??

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:39 pm EST

Just more proof its way past time for sather to not be gm and should retire altogether ... And if his entourage do not suggest losing assets for zilch is not good business they should go with him... Believe it or not sather is not infallible ... Blind loyalty is just being a yes man ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:29 pm EST

Stevie: I don't know. He probably could have. But those two have zilch to do with the two this season. A little desperate to have something to gripe about huh

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:04 pm EST

Was that the case with Boyle and stralman? He couldn't get a toothpick for them either before becoming ufas?

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:02 pm EST

Stevie: actually according to that's hockey's cap site Allen was to be paid 925 in the NHL but "just" 70K at the AHL level.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:00 pm EST

Stevie: also Sather isn't "letting" those two become UFAs. He has no control over it. And as for their rights. Maybe Hunnwick could have landed a 7th next year if he signed with the team who traded for those rights...but that's it, and Shepherd would have been for future considerations. Neither are great catches in FA so teams would be willing to risk not having a shot at them.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:56 pm EST

cooscoos on June 29, 2015 5:56 pm Allen was being paid $925,000 per year the last two years for stumbling around in Hartford. Riddle me that. Rick Carpiniello on June 29, 2015 5:57 pm hearing through grapevine that Allen’s development wasn’t going in the right direction. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/06/29/a-few-more-thoughts-on-the-rangers-talbot-trade/#sthash.XZL2zBo4.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:51 pm EST

Hi wick very possibly got himself a nice pay raise coming from someone. And if I'm him I would like to be somewhere that I can hold down a permanent roster spot. I don't think he's gonna get that with the New York Rangers. In fact, there is a good chance that the New York Rangers would like to see him played out of the lineup by one of their prospects. But you never know. I saw nothing about Hunwick that would make me dead set against bringing him back.

E


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:40 pm EST

mf - The Isles are more likely to sink OKPOSO in the East River with some cement overshoes than trade him to the Rangers. For anything.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:39 pm EST

Stevie: The Rangers have made an offer to Hunnwick and expressed their interest in him staying. He wants, or so it's seems, to test the market. There has been nothing about Shepherd out there...but that may not be Sayhers fault. His agent may have said he is testing the market. That's a UFAs right. Hunnwick for one I expected. He could probably get double the money per year from a bad team or a team in serious need of D and play every night than he could as the 7th for the Rangers

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:37 pm EST

Jarret STOLL pleads guilty to lesser charges stemming from his drug arrest on Thursday and the Kings move forward on information they received on RICHARDS Friday....well isn't that special.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:31 pm EST

http://deadspin.com/kings-release-mike-richards-under-mysterious-circumstan-1714791846?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

puckyou


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:30 pm EST

So sather is letting them become ufas and trying or not trying to sign them ? Guess he couldn't even get a toothpick for their rights....real man of genius...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:28 pm EST

Wildcard - You could probably find takers for both GLASS and BOYLE...problem is I see no evidence that the Rangers want to move either...and re: MATTHIAS - we already have a fourth liner making far more than he's worth. No need to add another.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:23 pm EST

kitchen1 - re: FAST, wouldn't dispute that assertion at all...Fast has a lot more offensive ability than HAGELIN, IMO. Might not be as fast, but can finish better.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:15 pm EST

Very interesting point made by Gord Clarke about the Rangers being intent on sticking with the blueprint of speed & talent for building their team. He pointed out that with the new 3-on-3 format, that there would be very few shootouts and he inferred that having guys with skill and speed would give the Rangers the ability to get more points by winning the 3-on-3 OTs. That's all well and fine but again, I don't give a rat's ass about another President's Trophy. LA barely made the POs when they won the Cup several years ago. If the Rangers need to change their style to a more PO-oriented style and if they don't have the personnel to playnthe thistle, they damn well better get it.

JFC31


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:15 pm EST

Hospo - Dude...non-PP goals?! Wasn't it the PP goals we were hurting on?! Seriously though, I'm not trying to minimize HAGELIN by any stretch of the imagination...He was an important player and one of my favorites. Loved his game and in a more perfect world, would have liked to see him get top-6 time...but that hasn't happened in at least two seasons...Hags reached his pinnacle with the Rangers really during the playoffs last year...and this year, it should be noted, that he was among the many Rangers who simply couldn't put the puck in the net...and when you back up to look at what happened when ZUCCARELLO went down, he wasn't among the guys promoted...AV tried FAST, MILLER and HAYES on the top lines...never went once to Hags...so does that mean Hags is a third liner? On the Rangers he was. Maybe like all the Ducks fans are saying he'll join the uber-line and be the straw that stirs the drink...who knows? I suspect they'll sign him for a multi-year deal in the $3 million neck of the woods and that he'll get that shot...but on the Rangers, he wasn't...there's no debating or arguing that...and really, when you boil it down, they got a player who brings a lot of what Hags does, is four years younger and has more finishing skill...Now were it me, I would have --just like many others here --packaged Hags with another player to see if I could have landed in the first round...but who knows? Maybe they tried that and it didn't work...I can say the return for what we got isn't nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:56 pm EST

Sheppard and Hunwick are UFAs. No offer needed.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:55 pm EST

Re: Conor ALLEN - No surprise there at all...maybe a little surprised he wasn't moved during the deadline, but the reality with this guy is that he's 25 going on 26 and is no closer to the NHL than he was last year...if anything, Allen regressed a little bit...SKJEI is here...I believe Ryan GRAVES comes into the fold this year and BODIE's already there...no room, no future...the likelihood of him making the team out of camp was very remote and at least now he'll get a chance to ply his wares with another organization that is far more shallow on defense...or in desperate enough of a cap situation to give him a chance...I will say this about Allen: He's another name that I see floated here and across the fan boards as someone who could/will be a third pairing defenseman, despite there being little if any evidence of that from his play in the minors...Rangers not qualifying him both opens up a contract and does him a favor. He wasn't going to have a spot in either New York or Hartford, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:47 pm EST

Was shepherd tendered an offer or told to walk on by ? Hunwick?

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:42 pm EST

Rf4l nothing like contrarians ...antagonists ... Protagonists ... Semantics ....I'm not sure which shoe fits the best....Amazing ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:39 pm EST

Hopefully one of the umpteen collegiate ufa makes it. Law of averages and blind squirrel and all that....

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:35 pm EST

Or maybe because they realize he's crap....

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:34 pm EST

Ahmen stevie. Ahmem.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:41 pm EST

moof born in bklyn, might make sense to go back to my ruths, roots, routes,....for the home team if they don't win it's a game...... 123

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:40 pm EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/06/29/a-few-more-thoughts-on-the-rangers-talbot-trade/#sthash.XZL2zBo4.dpbs

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:37 pm EST

Slegs: you're sounding just like the Ranger Brass on and after draft day.. Is this current mess your doing? I'll trade you to the Iceholes....

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:33 pm EST

moof maybe this and maybe that, you never know until you know...where you there? are you there? could be might not be ....you figure it out.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:23 pm EST

DREW: maybe...but with Kilngberg or whatever signing in the KHL, and MSL gone they are already a couple below....but I imagine they do like having those spots open heading into UFA.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:17 pm EST

Slegs: if you stop reading your own posts, you'll be sure to get different results.. ;-)

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:10 pm EST

it amazes me how some posters go on and on and on, and almost no one ever agrees with them...... day in and day out...day oh day ay ay oh....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 29 2015 5:02 pm EST

Saw Allen play three AHL games this past year, was not impressed one iota..No loss.Only depth D-man they have right now for the beginning of the year is , MAYBE, Big Mac and Chump Summers...

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:52 pm EST

Isn't there also a limit of 50 contracts? Maybe they anticipate signing another Undrafted player

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:38 pm EST

RF4L: they are going to have more money to sign less players. But in your fantasy land that's the same or worse.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:37 pm EST

RF4L: yes of course that was the only reason Sather signed a college UFA that year...no first rounder. Clearly if he had a first he wouldn't have tried.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:34 pm EST

Lololol. Yep they'll be fine. Just like this off season. Oh wait....

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:32 pm EST

And.another of Sather's hapless attempt to cover up his adoration of trading away first rounders bites the dust. Thank goodness he stumbled across Kevin Hayes.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:22 pm EST

Also shows you can't read too much into call ups and ice time once up. People had Allen ahead of McIlrath because he stayed in the NHL an extra game.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:21 pm EST

Would have thought his rights as an RFA were worth at least a 4th rounder or something to a team like the Oilers, or AVS. Or anyone who wanted a young D for depth or just their farm team.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:19 pm EST

WOW! No qualifying offer for Allen...

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 4:08 pm EST

Tried posting this once it didn't work. So. Next off season the Rangers need to sign Kreider, Hayes, Yandle, another D (to replace Boyle) and a 4th line C. They will have 14.85 mil before any cap increase. So let's say 17.85 with an increase as small as this years. And they could use a young D to replace Klein for less so let's say for the above list the could have as much as 18-19 mil. They should be absolutely fine.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 3:59 pm EST

I followed Lehners GP & WL last season... I would sum his year up as consistently inconsistent!

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 3:43 pm EST

FWIW I too read that was the reason we took the "lesser deal" from Edmonton,..because we did not want to deal in the East. Sather wanted Cam out West as a priority..if no team out West was doable then he would deal with an Eastern team. I think that is why Fla Gm was yapping his gums (not common) after Sather dealt Cam to Edmonton. BTW supposedly Edmonton was stalling because their first choice was Lehner, they like Cam but felt he played behind the best defense in the league, which they don't come anywhere near. Left a lot of questions about him. Add to that he is not signed and they went for Lehner.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 3:22 pm EST

MF-I hear you-just think they will always err on not doing it. think they only traded 5 or 6 times in history

puckyou


Mon Jun 29 2015 3:14 pm EST

.... but they don't reach out to us because the are of the mindset that the Rangers would not deal with a division rival..... I knew I forgot something...

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 3:12 pm EST

p/y: I am not saying that it is Not an issue... what I am saying is that if you see a way which may be a possible win win, and help your club, don't get stopped and not call because it's a division rival.... It could be that the other club (the Iceholes in this scenario) are of the same mindset, "oh Boyle may be just the guy to round us out on defense, we can play him on the 3rd pair to preserve him for the Playoff's where he has a history of coming through. He can mentor our younger D's, and can play 1st & 2nd unit PP.. In a pinch, we can always move him up a pairing in case of injury) and the Rangers are willing to eat $1.7 mill of his cap hit...... If you don't reach out, we'll never know..... Comprende' amigo?

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 3:03 pm EST

Well Don Sweeney is a total schmuck and I am not surprised by his lack of skills/brains. We can only hope he does as well as Milbury! LOL

NYStranger


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:54 pm EST

I'll get to my other comments later, but for now, suffice to say this is your example of bad GMing: Zac RINALDO to the Bruins for a third rounder. That is all.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:48 pm EST

MF-you can't tell me with a straight face that rivals have no problem dealing with each other. they play each other 4-6 times a year minimum-plus face the likelihood of playoff encounters if they are in the same division or conference. If you trade them to the other conference-your only risk is the SCF. So the Bruins traded Lucic to the Kings-We trade Talbot to the Oil and Hags to the Ducks-Hamilton goes to the Flames-it's a lot safer than your own division or conference (i would do conference before division). I posted a blog that discussed it yesterday also

puckyou


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:47 pm EST

RF4L: your so negative. I say 5-5.5 and to you that means 5.5.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:45 pm EST

Rinaldo just landed the flyers a 3rd from boston...2017 sure, but a 3rd. Quick Klein for a first!!

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:38 pm EST

Oh geesh...ok...$5,500,000, which will eat up 2/3s of the money freed when Boyle leaves. Of course, if Kreider does more of the same next year, then perhaps he's a candidate to be dealt at the draft for Etem II.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:38 pm EST

Again also, if they get a C, and Hayes moves to the top 6 on Wing. You will have Kreider, Zucc, Hayes and Nash for the top 4 wings, and Brass and Step as the top two C. Now that would push Miller to the 3rd line, and Fast there as well and Etem to the 4th, unless he outperforms Miller or Fast...SO if you can get a good 3rd line C than you have a well balanced team there....and not really a "need" for a top end guy for big bucks, because they are already there...in theory at least.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:35 pm EST

RF4L: There you go again...doom and gloom...an RFA DEMANDING UFA money....they never get it...or at least its rare. Kreider would have to go and out score Nash to even think of demanding 6 mil per. He will likely end up near what Brass is making at 5-5.5 per for 4-5 years.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:33 pm EST

DREW probably less than Nichushkin....but I am not sure.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:32 pm EST

Wild: If Kreider's game evolves like the Rangers appear to be desperately hoping it does, he could very well demand $6,000,000, which will eat up the bulk of that. IMO, unless something of note is made to add another high end talent up front, this team will be cupless yet again next spring without that happening.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:31 pm EST

mf: A lot of that comes from he idea that Florida had " a lot" on the table compared to the Oilers. Who knows if thats true or not, but one of the rumor guys said that Sather was willing total a little less to get him out West....again, who knows if its true.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:30 pm EST

What would it take to get Antoine Roussel from Dallas?

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:26 pm EST

p/y: do you have some substantiated inside knlwledge that the NY Rangers would not deal Talbot to any team in the East? there were rumors galore which included Buffalo, Florida.....

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:24 pm EST

Jim Nill wants to trade for D not use UFA to do it...I would gladly send him Klein for Nichushkin....but I don't know if he will help a lot NOW....but still...nice big skilled wing...even if they are not aggressive with their size, they still are hard to play against and defend. And he played both wing positions....nice to have options....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:21 pm EST

Not likely but they have talked trades in the past http://nypost.com/2010/05/26/rangers-islanders-make-rare-trade/.................http://www.nytimes.com/1999/06/14/sports/stanley-cup-finals-rangers-final-offer-for-palffy-sways-isles.html (Neil Smith / Mike Milbury)

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:18 pm EST

MF-the Isles/Rangers will NEVER deal with each other when there are 28 other teams. NYR just took a lesser deal with Talbot to keep him out of the East-do you really think they would deal Klein to Crooklyn-or they would risk giving us Okposo?? It's insane

puckyou


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:15 pm EST

RF4L: You mean a corner that has Boyle and 4.5 mil coming off the book after next season? Thats not chump change mind you. And if its close that one of the kids will move up on D this season, its near a pinch that at least one will after this upcoming season (or midway through) meaning Klein will likely be moved anyway. And he is worth a TON more now because of that cap friendly deal with the cap going up so little. SO if the Rangers are really confident in their young D, than they should move him....and if my little fantasy plan went through, they would have more than enough space to sign up what they need...

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:13 pm EST

Bet Mike Richards didn't do anything most other NHL Players do.... Hope the Players Union and the league have a full blown out war.... give us something more to discuss through the summer.... does anyone here know for sure that the Lindberg baby won't ride the JT Miller shuttle back & forth to & from Hartford a few times???? I f we can pull off this Okposo / Boyle trade, shitcan T.Glass, we should have enough to sign all our RFA's and even afford a depth player like Jarret Stoll if need be......

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:11 pm EST

David Pagnotta &#8207;@TheFourthPeriod 1m1 minute ago Kings took information they received on Richards on Friday and moved forward on it. They are very confident in their findings.

puckyou


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:11 pm EST

RF4L: But Klein and his cap friendly deal may be expendable...and another more cap friendly deal may be able to take his place. Thats the thing. With Staal/Giradi/McD/Yandle they don't "need" a top 4 guy on the 3rd pair...although it would be nice of course. And I would rather Boyle be moved even thought I expect more out of him from last year, and less offensively at least out of Klein...but Boyle may not want to move, and he has the final say....so....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:07 pm EST

Lindberg would be the "issue" If he is ready for prime time...than maybe he pushed Moore out. I know I get hate every time I say that, and I get the reasons, but that is why you draft/trade for young/and sign young UFA players, in order to have them develop so you can move a more expensive older player out for assets that you than use in the future to move out the very players that helped let you move a vet to get said asset.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:06 pm EST

I sure dislike the notion of moving KK's cap friendly contract. I realize additional moves of that nature are probably needed, but those are the type of contracts the Rangers need to try to hang on to. Perhaps Girardi and/or Staal should have been traded (winter 14 and winter 15 respectively) instead. Of course, with the Rangers going for the cup that wasn't about to happen. Man, all these moved predicated on winning the cup are slowly but surely placing the organization in a very tight and shrinking corner. Roosting chickens boys and girls, roosting chickens....

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:01 pm EST

Yep, that's what it means. LA is running away from that contract. So what did Richards allegedly do to allow that?

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:01 pm EST

Lets say the Rangers go and grab that C from VAN for 2 mil. As I said Hayes moves to wing. Now give Stepan 6 per, Etem will likely sign for his qual of about 900K. Than you give Miller and Fast matching 1.5 mil deals (I thin one if not both may sign for a little less than that BTW) and have R. Bourque as the 13th F. That leaves you 888K for a 7th D. Thats with Klein still on the roster. If you move Klein for "future assets" (not the most likable deal) and resign McIlrath even at a raise to 1.8 mil, that would leave 1.988 in cap space to sign a 7th D and for movement at the deadline...and the amount left over would "build" letting them get a larger full season contract by the time the deadline rolled around. Also, Fast may sign for 1 mil, or 1.25 thus adding 250-500K to the total left over, Miller may sign for the same 1-1.25. And who knows,Step may sign for 5.5-5.75. And I think McIlrath if it meant he was getting a good shot at the NHL would fall between 1.25-1.5, so really you could theoretically have almost 3 mil left over to sign a 7th D and for movement at the deadline. All in all it could work out well...that is IF they want Hayes on wing, or are at least OK with it for now, and if they sign a C for 2 mil. But again, we are all just theorizing right now.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 2:00 pm EST

It may not make sense to you, but it does to me. And yeah, if the Rangers are looking to push Hayes to the wing, then you need to find another center. Where does Lindberg fit in that case?

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:58 pm EST

RF73: I wonder what that means - are they trying to get out from under that ridiculous cap hit (not to mention the $14,000,000 owed)? If so, time for an NHL and NHLPA war. Now that would be funny....

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:52 pm EST

LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Kings have terminated the contract of forward Mike Richards, the club announced today. The club has issued the following statement and will not comment any further at this time: “The Los Angeles Kings today have exercised the team's right to terminate the contract of Mike Richards for a material breach of the requirements of his Standard Player's Contract. We are not prepared to provide any more detail or to discuss the underlying grounds for the contract termination at this time.”

RF73


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:44 pm EST

http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=772865 terminated-not bought out. Drug related?

puckyou


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:34 pm EST

(non-hockey-related) TD: your comment about fans leaping to conclusions called to mind a parable in the book The Phantom Tollbooth - something like it's easy to get to the island of Conclusion - most people just jump there - but very hard to get (jump) back once you're there :)

LeoS


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:30 pm EST

RF4L: That makes no sense. If you sign the C from VAN he goes into a C spot, that would I imagine push Hayes to W on the top 6. So you would have a replacement for MSL for less than he was making and a C for less than Hayes was making. That would take care of one of the issues you bring up in finding a replacement for MSL.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:29 pm EST

I'll be honest, I don't think the Rangers win the Cup with Nash.and they don't win it with Stepan as the 1st/2nd C unless MIller really really turns into something....And yes, the crappy FO ability of this team still bothers me...Just my gut

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:26 pm EST

Yum Yum's cap hit was $810K last season

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:26 pm EST

Kitchen: I'm offering Boyle (and his $4.5 mill cap) and eating $1.7mill of his cap for Okposo and his $2.8mill dollar cap... Cap-wise, its a wash, they get a RHS D'man, we get a RHS RW.....

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:23 pm EST

Hospo/RF4L agreed. It was definitely a Cap move, but a drop in the bucket for what we're going to need if we're serious about getting a scoring winger. I had, unrealistic albeit, hopes that we could've done a package Cam/Klein for a roster player, but not to be. And no I don t mean a project.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:17 pm EST

RF4L - I try...And I know Hags was mostly moved for cap space but think the Rangers would have been better off clearing the space with other players (some with higher salaries)..

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:16 pm EST

That was funny.

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:13 pm EST

Oh and the Rangers were cap strapped and that's why Hagelin was moved and I maintain because he wasn't moved for picks/prospects (re Etem came back in return, albeit with a smaller contract), they aren't out of the woods yet in that regard.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:12 pm EST

Hospo: Oh, you're a sneaky one, aren't you? LOL... ;^)

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:11 pm EST

I like Mattias but 1) who would he replace and 2) there's no cap room for him (unless you're trading someone like Moore).

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:07 pm EST

KItchen - well, that convinced me! But, hey, I truly hope Quickie does

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:05 pm EST

WILD - By the way, since you have me painted into a corner, I'm gonna let you get in the last volley...and will agree to disagree on this point.

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:05 pm EST

Fast will make up for Hagelin's goals THIS YEAR!!

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:04 pm EST

WILD - If HAGS is a 3rd LIner and he scores more Non-PP goals than any other forward on the Rangers with less ice time, what does that make the other guys? Becasue really, the only thing that matters is GOALS and they don't have hags beat...and summarizes the Ranger's problems which is even made worse with the loss of Hags not better...

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 1:00 pm EST

No one in his right mind would take Boyle off of our hands given his cap hit.

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:57 pm EST

Wild, if we're dealing with a rival it's a two way street... They would have to face a NY Ranger team with Okposo, we'd have to face a NY Islander team with Boyle.... What's the problem? .... Kitchen1: I agree with you, I believe that FAST has move offensive upside than Hagelin. We may need two seasons for him to show it.... As for Yum Yum, Eat-Em-Up, a 4th line of Sheppard / Moore / & Yum Yum seems good to me.......

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:55 pm EST

WIOSA: Not sure what you mean by renegotiate.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:53 pm EST

Hospo: Sorry...I don't care if a guy get 40000000 shots on goal if he doesn't score with them. The tired old idea that any shot is a good shot is just that...tired and old. Good shots are needed, shots that have a chance of going in are needed. Not just a shot from the wall at an angle...I know at times I just want shots, but when a guy has a poor score % it is an issue. Sorry to disappoint you...but low score % is a problem and what stops a guy from moving up to being a top 6 player, and why HAGS will always be a 3rd line guy.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:50 pm EST

Wild, yes, if he would waive and renegotiate. The Avs would be perfect, As for Glass, I kind of like the guy ,hes not putting the fear of god into many, but hey, he's the only one dropping the gloves for any of our team.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:49 pm EST

any interest in Matthias from VAN? IS a UFA, made 1.75 against the cap (1.85 in salary) for a C? I don't know much about him...know he is big, and doesn't play that big...27 years old...18 G for VAN last season. Could have Hayes on wing if that is what they want. Not sure if he worth it at all.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:47 pm EST

WILD - Bullshit...His SOG are not a problem..They are waht the team needs...His Number of Non-PP goals compared to the rest of the Ranger forwards is as good as you can get for this team....What that shows is that he worked his ass off...was always near the net..and was always a threat..more so than any other Ranger forward except NASH...Now, yes, one would hope that Hags would score more goals with that many shots but he doesn;t have that ability...but what good is finsihing if you don't do the other things trhat Haglin does, and few Ranger forwards do?

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:46 pm EST

WIOSA: I am certain that if Boyle would waive there are teams who would take him, probably a few, young teams with cap space and little on the D side (Hello Oilers, AVS) but it wouldn't bring back a top 6 guy, and not from a rival. He would be shipped further away just to get more return from he other team. Same goes for Glass, I think ARZ would take Glass, as a vet and a 4th line guy, and to get them to the floor so they don't have to give a long term A salary deal to a C+ UFA.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:46 pm EST

MF, yeah they were banged up, but not weak, or poor on D, they - like us, were injured.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:44 pm EST

Hospo: Not counting on Brass, was just pointing out that he is a guy we may see more goals from. The ones I am counting on getting more over last year are the two kids Fast and Miller who only played part of the year. Kreider who I think will get a few more (especially if he gets good results from the head shrink) Hayes I also expect more from, since he did so much figuring out of the NHL in the first half.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:44 pm EST

As I recall, the IceHoles were pretty banged up going into the playoffs.... They just may want a Dan Boyle at $2.8mill per.. He can mentor, and is a PO performer.... The truth of the matter is, I couldn't care less why the IceHoles might want Boyle, however I'm pretty sure that if we don't ask, we're not going to find out........ Maybe SLegs can break out his ouija board and cypto gib and communicate with them on another plateau...... I'll give you 8 years of Community College... and NYStranger, you got one coming too. ;-)

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:43 pm EST

Have to agree with RF4L on Boyle. I loved his output in the Bolts series, and he did step it up in the playoffs overall (As did Hags) but I really cant see any team taking him. Too bad those two expansion teams didn't hit this year. Just MHO

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:41 pm EST

Hospo: I was and is a problem that he took so many shots and only found the back of the net 17 times. And it was 2nd most not 3rd most shots. He shot the puck 185 times. In relation, Step had 1 less goal on 30 less shots. That is a problem with finishing. It is no other way to say it. Now, he is a 3rd line player, not a 2nd line player...sorry....and guess what, all goals count, not just 5 on 5. He had 1 ppg and 0 shg last season. so yeah 16 5 on 5 is fantastic. But I would take a guy who will help the PP a little more, and get 7 PP goals and just 7 5 on 5 for 14 total...because the PP being better makes the team more dangerous. Add to that he played only 30 seconds less per game than Kreider who had less shots, but more goals and points. SO lets not act like Hags is something irreplaceable. We just need to see how they replace him.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:41 pm EST

KITCHEN - When, outside the PP, nobody else on the team did except Nash...Your problem in "finishing" were not related to Hags, it's all the the other guys we kept......

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:38 pm EST

WILD - But it's silly...Brassard has a well defined game, that's how he's going to play..Counting on changes is risky and dangerous..If he does, it's a bonus..

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:38 pm EST

Who said worthless? I simply believe that given Hagelin's ice time, Fast will produce more.

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:38 pm EST

Hospo that is basically how I feel. Moore, Stepan, Brass what you see is what youre getting, although theyre not terrible. Im just praying we see improvement from Fast, Miller and Hayes.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:37 pm EST

HOSPO: The only reason I put Brass on the list is for more goals...I think his assists would drop off a little though. He started to shoot more later in the year, and if he continues that I think he will get a few more goals....and on the PP where I think like 4 of his 6 came in the second half, again because he started to shoot more. But I don't think its a change or improvement so much as an adjustment, and players do that their entire careers...

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:35 pm EST

Kitchen - Um, take away the easy PP wit hthe extra man, and Hags scored more than anybody else..but, yeah, he was worthless..

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:35 pm EST

Don't expect much from Kreider? Oh boy!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's the case, we are screwed ; )

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:34 pm EST

WILD - So let's see, he's a crappy finisher but still had the 2nd most non-PP goals on the team? That speaks volumes for how good his ES and PK play really was and how important to the team he truly was....Much more than "3rd liner" would indicate....More non-PP goals than Zucc, Kriedrer, Brass, Stepp and others with less ave TOI...But go ahead, talk about his problems..

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:34 pm EST

mf: Why the hell would the Islanders do that? They had 5 Dmen with as many or more points than Boyle did last season. I know I expect him to have more this year, but thats with the Rangers because he will be better in the system than last season. (and he lead the NHL in D pp points in the post season) But why would the Islanders want even a slightly better Boyle, for a guy they would have to contend with against a divisional rival? I put that trade at about a 1% possibility....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:34 pm EST

Heart and soul type players. Really? Who may they be exactly? 10 million for Callahan and Hagelin? I'll take some scoring over heart and soul. We have plenty of heart on this team. Look at the injuries that our D played through during the playoffs. We simply DID NOT FINISH!! Losing Hagelin has zero impact on that assertion.

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:33 pm EST

Wild I considered each round - Pitt/NYR, NYR/Cap, Bolts/NYR a series, if I used the wrong term, I stand (sit actually) corrected., Now, I don't like Kreider so I don't expect much from him, any additional from him is a bonus to me. Zucc on the hand is my favorite, although he's more a catalyst than goal scorer. Fast is coming along nicely and youre right about Yandle, he needs more ice time though. And we lost two wingers and a back up goalie. The goalie no production it's the wingers we need to reproduce just to be status quo. However with the growth of our own crew we should be somewhat ok, although I would love that power forward - who can take fos. JFC again, thx.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:30 pm EST

And BTW: Ive got fast penciled in on the LW with his RHS and am looking for Right Wing... Preferably another RHS.... Okposo, Kessel......

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:29 pm EST

WILDCARD - If's and should's are a dangerous game to play in a game like Hockey where injuries happen all the time, skills fall off the cliff, and development can be in starts and stops..Young guys like MIller, Fast, Kreider, Hayes all SHOULD be better and more consisitent but..we'll see...I put less stock in trying to change the stripes of other older players like Brass...I'd rather just count on them reamining what they are...and hoping not to decline or have off years

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:28 pm EST

Hospo: Here is one problem with Hags...always has been...he had the 3rd most shots on the team. He had a hard time finishing. Yes, he will be missed...but he was a 3rd liner....not more than that....as I said over and over, a very good 3rd liner....but a 3rd liner. I keep seeing people say Fast will make up for him....I want to see it first, but I think he is different, he may be as good in what he does, but will not be Hags. You wanted to free up space in other ways, but as someone pointed out (was it td?) they may have been thinking about next years cap a little as well. If Hags got 3+ per and was only on the 3rd line it may have made it harder next season...they may already know Fast, Miller and Lindberg maybe even McIlrath are willing to take smaller 1 year deals to make this season work better so they want that room for when they need to bump them up more.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:28 pm EST

This is because management never has the balls to trade a marquee player. Plain and simple. We overpay for UFAs and to keep our own guys and have to continually lose our heart and soul type players to the Cap.

NYStranger


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:28 pm EST

Drew: regarding the possibility of moving Boyle.... He noe has a full year of living in the NY Metropolitan area. He has an idea of the local rivalries.. He probably does Not need to change his residence. Please tell me how you can conjure up any trade without an idea followed up with conversation & communication? .... Boyle just might fill a need the Islanders see, and a guy like Okposo just might fill a need that the NY Rangers see.. Again, we offer to pay the $1.7 mill differential... Go look over Okposos stats, excellent speedy skater, RHS! GOES TO THE NET. Just 27 y/o top six talent, cap friendly.,. This is an excellent candidate for consideration..... OAN: we all see how much of th e content covered here winds up in. Some schmucks articles, there's a good chance the beat writers are reading this Wall, and there's a good chance some of them are relaying. Content from. Places like this to the team, or that a he teams covers rags like this themselves... So, put your. Lab coatsd on you Einsteins of Hockey, and come up with some hypothesis..... Getting a little warm in the Kitchen is it? Maybe a little lemonade is in order?

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:25 pm EST

Fast, in the not so distant future, will turn out to be a MUCH BETTER player than Hagelin. JMHO

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:23 pm EST

TDCHI - Look, I belive Hagelin was not irreplaceable...But I would have cleared Cap space another way with a few other players before dealing Hags........Before trying to minimize HAGELIN's impact and labeling it as "3rd liner", it might good to notice that only one player on the team (NASH) scored more non-PP goals then Hagelin..One player....That's one important player, more so than I originally thought....ETEM is gonna be a huge drop down nor do I think Fast will be comparable..So, yeah, I think they have gotten worse so far..opposite of the task at hand..What other teams have done mean didley..

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:22 pm EST

of course on the down side, I wouldn't expect so much production out of Klein if he is still on the team or whoever replaces him. But Yandle should do more, and Boyle should as well if he can stay healthy all season...I know..."if"

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:20 pm EST

Oh...and Zucc had a horrific start to the season...he may as well have been in the stands on some nights for all he did on the ice. SO we should (we better) see more season totals out of him next year. He is overlooked, well his terrible start at least, due to how much he is liked by fans...but like it or not, he played like crap to start the year, so next season as long as he doesn't do that he will help makeup for the losses of MSL and Hags production wise.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:20 pm EST

tdchi........amen!

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:19 pm EST

Boo-hoo. Really? Please refer to my earlier post. LOL

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:10 pm EST

RF4L - Sooooo....the Rangers never talked to HAGELIN about contract(and it WAS rumored that he was going to sign for $2.6 million-ish), he's traded for a younger player and a pick --both of whom were allegedly on the Rangers' radar...and this is 'solely' a cap dump? Or evidence the Rangers couldn't sign all their RFAs? Sorry, but you're pointing to a bunch of anecdotal evidence and yelling "AH-HA" as if everything you've been saying is correct. I said we'll see...first, what the Rangers have in store for the rest of the off-season and second what contract they --and Hagelin ---sign. I suspect they could have gotten their team under the cap...one other thing...and don't take this the wrong way...but has it ever dawned on you that the Rangers are thinking ahead long term? We have know idea what they're thinking...maybe they're freeing up money to resign YANDLE...Maybe they don't want to spend that kind of money on someone who will never rise above third line(see: CALLAHAN; BOYLE). Maybe they're assured they have a cheaper alternative under contract. Maybe...just maybe...the Ducks were simply in the right place at the right time with the right offer. You and I just don't know. Bottom line is both teams got the players they wanted. Some of you are really quick to jump to conclusions when IMO, there are more logical reasons for the move. You want to see a cap moves? Go look at what the Bruins did. They traded a first-line franchise player and a top pairing defenseman because of their pinch. Look at what the Hawks are ABOUT to do. Then there's the Rangers. We traded a third line winger and out backup goalie.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 12:05 pm EST

Kitchen1 -- love the way you cruise in here and make personal attacks en masse....here's a newsflash son....this is a Rangers FAN board....not a strict analytical, just the facts, m'am site. Besides talking X's and O's and cap issues and stats, people,also come onto The Wall to express,their FEELINGS...and sometimes it gets emotional because of the blood, sweat and tears that a lot of folks here have invested in this team, sometimes over DECADES. SO if it annoys you so much that you need to call out out a judgement on the state of people's LIVES, go somewhere else.

JFC31


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:52 am EST

Another guy we may see put a few more in the back of the net is Brass. He had 19 last year, and it wasn't until late that he started to shoot more, and shoot on the PP. I think most of his 6 ppg came later in the season. He may get closer to 25 as well.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:51 am EST

RF4L: I am not back peddling. Before the draft I said Klein may have to be moved to make the cap work, along with Talbot and his replacement had to be 700K or so. I still think they could have done it. Perhaps they thought like any here do that Hags would not take a big enough discount, or Step....or they felt like it wasn't right to ask Hags to take less on a shorter deal. We also don't know the pecking order for RFAs in house and what the coaches thought about upside vs the scouts though about upside of a guy like Etem. Lots we don't know. But in any case...no backpedaling...I stand by what I said. Clearly the Rangers didn't want to try and do that and miss an opportunity of a trade (even though they could have traded Hags at any time..well unless it went to ARB than they would be stuck with him and be unable to trade him)

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:46 am EST

WIOSA: As for Fast and his goal numbers...I thought at first he may end up with 12-13, maybe even 15, but than thought that was quite the jump....but yeah, If Kreider only gets to 23 and Fast instead gets to 13, well it equals out....really I want them to pick up MSLs production as a group...thats much better than having them keep their numbers and add a guy who can brig it by himself. Makes them harder to defend. I still don't get why so many see it as hard for Kreider to got to 25g? He is still figuring the game out, and he played the second half at nearly a 40 goal pace or something like that. Don't forget, he went a month + with zero goals early on and didn't erat really scoring until January/February, and kept it up most of the rest of the regular season. To get 21 G while going over a month without one is a major accomplishment for a young PF.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:43 am EST

WIOSA: The Islanders haven't won a series....the Rangers have been to the SCF and ECF (more than once) over the last 4. SO there is a MAJOR gap there.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:42 am EST

In regards to Etem...one situation I am excited to see him in from all style reports...the new 3 on 3 OT. He doesn't have to be physical, and a guy who can dangle will have all sorts of chances....he may be our OT hero of the regular season....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:41 am EST

Wild, yes, the numbers you post don't seem far fetched. I would not bank on Kreiders, and would add to Fasts. This could work, but as you say, we still need a winger. I too would like to see a "feisty" stay at home Dman. BUT I like our D, really do. So, Ill settle for the winger. KITCHEN, JAYZUS, it is not what we lost, it is what we didn't gain. And fyr WE haven't won in 22 years. Or has that escaped you....does that mean we wont EVER? Did you happen to notice the lowly Isles,last year took the Caps to game 7 in Round two of those playoff series they never won?Im not satisfied with winning a playoff series, I want the cup - so yeah, the Isles, Habs, CBJ, and Bolts worry me.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:37 am EST

Lets also remember, the islanders had a guy in net who had his best numbers of any point in his career. He came back down to earth some, and by the end of the season there was some concern about them making the playoffs. He stepped it back up in the playoffs but they couldn't win partly I am sure due to the number of injuries they sustained....but that IS part of it. You can't brush off their injuries and say "but they would have won" or something like that, because than you have to do that for the Rangers as well...fully healthy I imagine they beat TBL since it was so close WITH the injuries to half the D and Zucc. If they can't stay healthy just to make the PO and through the first round, they will not make it deep. We shall see, I do not think they will be pushovers, but lets be real here, they were wining on the backs of a guy who usually is up and down in net, and a couple aging Dmen who played big minutes. They need to address those issues before they become issues. They may have the "old" guy in net who can't win consistently this year and have a mender of the top 4 on the IR more than off...and miss the PO all over again. They are where the Rangers were for some time, a playoff team, than with one little mister is on the outside looking in.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:36 am EST

And if I took your post out of context (re lucky to win 3 cups) my apologies.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:35 am EST

A few of us (myself and Vic for example) stated on here many times that the Rangers would not able to resign all their RFAs - there simply wasn't enough cap room. A few of us (you and TD for example) continually countered saying there was room, provided a couple took hometown discounts, which I still disputed, but to no avail in terms of your acknowledgement. Now look what happened? A trade that many on here are upset about that was nothing but salary reduced related. Now, of course, your back peddling. To be expected. Some people are never wrong in here. Ever.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:30 am EST

Hospo: I think, and it might be wise, that Sather has held onto Klein to see if they can make the cap work to get everyone re-signed and bring in any extras they need without having to move him. If they need to they can. I have this feeling they want to use him to get a player they need and you don't need to to do that draft weekend. A team that missed out on UFA defenders will be willing to give up a bit more once they feel that pressure than they would at the draft or right now. So while I don't think its likely he is moved, I think next week would be more likely than not...heck, maybe even during camp if the kids look good. I don't mind patience with this after it seems Hags was a quick decision.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:29 am EST

Yeah, let's worry about the Islanders!! They have not won a playoff series in 22 fucking years. A lot of you on this board must lead mundane lives. Get a grip. WTF did we lose exactly? A soon to be overpriced third line wing and a backup goaltender. OMG, we're fucked!!

kitchen1


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:27 am EST

WIOSA: Here is the thing. What will Fast bring. Miller, and how will Kreider and Hayes take steps? If they all do, I know I know a big IF, than we will not see it being so bad. Last year Kreider (21), Hayes (17), Miller (10) and Fast (6) combined for 54 goals. I think we could see Kreider get 5 more, Haues get 5 more, Miller should get 7-10 more, and fast 2-3 more, so 19-23 more goals from that group. Perhaps I am being overly optimistic. But Kreider at 26, Hayes 22, Fast at 8-9, and Miller at 17-20 doesn't seem so far fetched. I mean Miller and Fast didn't play a full season, Hayes was figuring things out for half the year and barely scored, and Kreider has gotten better each regular season and turned it on late in the season, so again, its not like I am saying Fast will be a 20g scorer, or Miller will find some magical game he hasn't had. If miller had played all 82 he would have had 14 if he scored at the same pace and Fast would have had 8-9 goals over 82. So to think Miller finally takes a step, and Fast can just produce as he did in his first NHL season isn't so crazy. That will make up IMHO for the loss of MSLs production....still need to bring in a LW IMHO and that guy needs to bring at least near the offensive production of Hags.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:22 am EST

Short and and to the point..Etem will be in Hartford midway through the season....IMWO of course..but love those draft picks....Who did we get anyway?....No trade of Klein for Cap purposes?...unsure of Big Mac?

Hospo


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:11 am EST

Drew. Most likely Hayes will be at around 4 mil He is just over 3 mil with bonuses, and as an RFA will only be Qualified at like 900K, so a 2-3 year deal with a 4 mil cap hit would be likely I bet....unless he really really explodes this season....so he will not cost THAT much more cap wise. Cruder will double or close to it....so 4.5-5 per I imagine. That will eat up the leftover from Boyle and Moore after Yandle is signed. It can be done. That and the cap will likely go up 3-4 mil or whatever....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:08 am EST

I am wondering (since I can't remember him as a player at all!) Andrei Kostitsyn is apparently on his way back to the NHL. I imagine he will not be able to command all that much, he cheap, would he be a fit for the LW? Or am I forgetting something about him that makes him toxic?

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:07 am EST

DREW: For next year, both Boyle and Moore come off the books. That's $6 million right there.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:04 am EST

Nick, they haven't traded my favorite yet...and again, it is not what a promising young winger can bring next year, I want a cup now. What was dealt was a third line journeyman for less than a third line journeyman. That is the issue. We are worse now than we were last Monday. Don't know about you, but if I cant stand the people at work, or if you've got some trouble maker stirring the pot, it's not a place I want to give my all to. No different in sports.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:04 am EST

mf - what are your thoughts on Dan Boyle being traded to the Islanders and then opted not to sign with them? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/dan-boyle-wanted-to-play-for-ny-rangers--leaving-money-on-table-205803795.html

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:02 am EST

Wild - the Islanders look to be in a SIGNIFICANTLY better position than the Rangers....https://hockeyscap.com/teams/islanders....they also have the space to extend Tavares and keep a competitive team on the ice. As bad as this off season looks, I am really frightened to see what happens next off season. RFAs Kreider and Kevin Hayes and what is Yandle going to ask for?

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 11:01 am EST

Drew: islanders have 5 defensemen signed, 3 LHS 2 RHS which Boyle is...... RF: where are you getting the figure of, "like $13.5 million?" I spelled out numbers last night, the current cap is $12.6 with Talbot out & Antti in.... As for trying to move Boyle, until the collective braintrust here decides that a trade with the Iceholes Boyle/Okposo & we eat $1.7 mill for the one yr doesn't have a scintilla of chance, this mad scientist will keep trying to figure out ways to make us whole & complete... Its better than reading about you said this,he said. That.. Who was wrong & who deems themselves right... Jmfhon...m

mf


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:58 am EST

Hey I know how it feels to have your favorites dealt; it's happened to me many times over the years. But Hags is simply not that good and all this 'locker room' stuff has always struck me as BS. What is this, fifth grade? Patrick Sharp, the 'poison'? Is there a little skull and crossbones next to his name on the Cup ... those three times? Anyway, Hags ... fast, good PK, can't score. Third-liner, and we have a bunch. I'll give Etem a year before I bury him.

Nick


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:53 am EST

JFC thank you...Im sometimes not that articulate.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:51 am EST

Rhett, I hear you about the players, not trying to compare the players, trying to replace the points and performance. Etem may very well come around...that would be cool. I'm worried about replacing Hags performance...NOW. I think we know what each other mean...just saying it differently

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:49 am EST

Do we have to go tit-for-tat with a counter argument every time someone makes a statement about how they feel after this weekend? The Rangers did not get better, they regressed. The only way you think that is not true is if you think Etem is as good as Hagelin. The Rangers SUBTRACTED from their lineup while other teams added. The process has only just begun for,the Rangers and I am assuming Sather is going to make at least 1-2 more changes to,the current roster before camp opens in September. That being said, RIGHT NOW we are not as good as last year....saying anything about the possible progress of young players is pure conjecture at this point, not fact. A FACT is that Hags is gone and has been replaced by Etem and Talbot is gone....and that makes the current roster weaker than it was.

JFC31


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:49 am EST

Wild I didn't say the Isles did anything at the draft that made them better this year. I said they are young and steadily improving, they were shy playoff experience. As for your disclaimer of being content with the team, THAT is what the whole debate/statement was about. Rhet had put forth that we were no worse off then the team from last season. My debate/argument is that is not good enough. Especially when you have two teams in your conference/division that are steadily improving with experience. DREW have no clue about the cap rules. Makes me confused.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:48 am EST

WIOSA... Etem just turned 23 this month. He played the 2014-15 season as a 22 year old(Hags turns 27 in August). Other guys will replace Hagelin on the PK. All Etem has to do is replace Hags 30-ish points and skate around the ice really fast and not finish(kidding). Seriously, if he doesn't get the job done, he's easily replaceable with his soon-to-be cap hit. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:45 am EST

Drew: once I knew how terribly beat up and injured the Islanders were I would have rather faced them. They had as many injuries as the Rangers ended up with....but healthy they would have been tough.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:43 am EST

So. Etem is young, so won't have much impact...but what the Islanders did at the draft makes them better this year....the Islanders also have to sign 2 F, 2D and a backup with 16 mil. That's 3.2 each and that could be done unless they want to get a couple of their UFAs back. They are not all that great under the cap either. And I didn't say I was happy with the team as is...but I am just curious what the islanders and CBus have done....since they have done nothing at all outside the draft.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:39 am EST

WIOSA - I wanted nothing to do with the Islanders in the playoffs last year.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:38 am EST

Admittedly, I am not sure of the new rules for AHL assignments, I thought that a Glass demotion to the AHL would only clear 900K. Who would need Tanner Glass or would take him at 1.4 million. As far as Klein goes. If he is truly going to be traded, I would think it would be a late July/August trade. Right now, the well-run, cap management teams are planning their July 1 signings. Then if a team is short a defenseman, Sather can offer Klein to that team.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:35 am EST

Drew, yeah, I know, they were no slouches last season, I dreaded facing them. CBJ are also starting to look scarey, Sigh, wish we would've won.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:33 am EST

Wild, if youre comfortable going into the season with the same team we had last year...minus the goals from MSL and Hags, minus the PK Hags provided and the screw ups MSL provided, Plus whatever Etem will provide, then Im sure youre a happy guy this week. Im not. I knew we needed another scorer to pull some of the defensive coverage from Nash. I also know we have to improve on Face Offs. Hey [[shrug]] wont be the first time I was wrong.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:31 am EST

As much as I am going to hate this, the Islanders will be significantly better, What they did at the draft and the cap space they have, by September, they will be stacked.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:28 am EST

The Isles - it was determined, needed only playoff experience, They had too many young players who did not know how to win in the playoffs. They took Washington to the 7th round, which many did not predict. That is what they added to their roster...experience that was sorely needed.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:26 am EST

The Islanders have a Hart Trophy finalist and the best player in the local area signed at 5.5 million per year. They had an amazing draft and unfortunately are going to leap frog the Rangers and be contenders for at least 3-4 years. Tavares isn't going anywhere and when he is a UFA, will return to the Islanders. Unfortunately, they are about to experience what we did. That is why I wanted the Rangers to win so badly this year because their success will be much more tolerable. I hope that the Brooklyn novelty wears off and they move to Quebec.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:20 am EST

Nope...the last Trades either of those two teams made for something other than picks was March 2, the deadline....they have done nothing this offseason at all...so I am not sure what they have done other than sit still and do nothing....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:17 am EST

Also what moves did CBus and NYI make this offseason? I can't recall anything...not brining anything in at least...what did I forget?

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:16 am EST

WIOSA: TheRangers are loaded with young players on the upswing. SO why is that what makes the Islanders better but the Rangers not?

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:11 am EST

TD, Staying status quo, because the Rangers do not exist in a vacuum, is a step backward. The Isles and CBJ did not stay status quo, and are loaded with young players on the upswing - the Isles in particular.....RHET you cannot compare apples to apples in this discussion, you have to compare apples to oranges. Is Etem at the level that Hags is at now? I don't think so. Its very nice that we have a work in progress, but we want a cup NOW. Our window is open now. Get what you mean, but for the 'Cup Now' fans, it is not a valid argument. PS he's 23....ALL Im borrowing JFC's and NNs philosophy, it is still early in the offseason. We - hopefully - will do some more.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 29 2015 10:06 am EST

I have seen most of Etem's games in the NHL. I have not seen any of his AHL games. I think he ends up with Glass and Moore on the 4th line. He had numerous opportunities with Getzlaf/Perry, and other top 9 players in Anaheim and could not cope. He will be a good 4th liner though.

Bob


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:35 am EST

Etem: former first round draft choice, good size, good hands, good moves, can take the body, skates well, shows flashes of brilliance but just hasn't put it all together and fulfilled his potential. Sounds exactly like the description of someone who is already on the Rangers.....James Shepard. If Etem could become that kind of player, bring some more consistency to his game and use his size to add soMe grit to this team, then he will be a good player for the Rangers.....that's a big IF.

JFC31


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:21 am EST

Als on Etem, the idea of a chance of scenery exists because it tends to work in sports. A new start can do a lot for a guy, helps them reset mentally. Again, nothing to predict, but with a Coach like AV who has a way of getting through to player without making them feel too down it seems, and his coaching style and system, Etem may FEEl like he has a shot, and if he feel that way he will play that way, and if he plays that way I think the Rangers will have a god young forward. Of course he could also end up as the 13th F and barely get in the lineup.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:17 am EST

RF4L: Fora guy who blows it on prediction over and over and over, you sure are quick to call out people about things you feel they got wrong. No one, not a single person said easy for re-sgning everyone....just that it could be done....not once did I or TD say it would be easy. We just countered your outrageous idea that every RFA would demand top UFA dollars without any regard for staying with the Rangers or losing team mates. I actually came up with numbers for each player that made it work...I than said but in reality it might be that both Talbot and Klein need to go. But of course, you conveniently forget that little bit. Still say, you move Klein and you have room to wiggle once the needed players are signed. And the DONT need a replacement for MSL...I think they feel they already have that guy on the roster in Miller....from what they have said, how they used him in the playoffs...I think they feel they need a replacement for Hags ice time on LW and they are set on RW. SO yes they need a LW, but not a top 6 LW. In their minds at last I think. Thats why I would love to see the Klein for King trade that I imagined up...probably about 1% chance either side has even thought of it...but still would love to see it.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:12 am EST

ETEM: Here is something I have noticed since the trade. While I can say this is no a prediction, I have no idea what the kid will do, I didn't get to see enough of his games to even guess, but anyway, a lot of things said sounded similar to things said about another guy who was signed by Sather. Benoit Pouliot. Lots of similar things were said, but the Ragners player guys said something along the lines of "we have had our eyes on him for a while now and had the opportunity to get him some jumped at it" Now they say something along those liens with Etem. Now, hopefully we are lucky and once again the Rangers courts see something, and have an Idea of what the player needs and can help him get it through the coaches, and in that way have a good player who helps the team. Again, I am not predicting he will have that kind of turn around, in my mine its 50/50 at best from what I have read here and other places, but the situation just brought back the Benoit Pouliot stuff in my mind.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:09 am EST

RF4L: You know where I got that line from? A chicago player...who said its amazing that they have 3 cups, because a few bounces the other way and they only have 1 if any, and that he was not overlooking how lucky he was to be part of that. I also said I don't take anything away from them, because you have to be good enough to overcome the bad bounces and take advantage of the good and there are only 3-4 teams every season (if not less) that are good enough to do that. That has nothing to do with Sather...just making a point to the less open minded self forces ignorance of some of you.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 29 2015 9:04 am EST

There were some pretty good players that went un-drafted in this years draft. Hopefully the NYR invite 1 or 2 of them to camp. They include Nathan Noel, Tyler Soy, Vladimir Tkachev, Kay Schweri, Dante Saliarto, Fredrick Forsberg, Sebastian Aho, Tim McGauley, Cameron Aske, Veini Vehvilainen, Matt Jurusik, Loik Leveille, Cavan Fitsgerald, Ken Appleby, Kameron Kielly, Dryden Hunt Tyson Baillie, Rihards Bukarts, Luke Philip and Alexandre Fortin amongst others. Tkachev was the kid that the Oilers signed but then had his deal voided by the League.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:49 am EST

And on another note, man did the Kings screw up not using their 2nd compliance buyout on Mike Richards. Apparently, Lombardi was contemplating it last summer but visited with Richards and got a verbal commitment from him that he'd dedicate himself to a rigid fitness regimen and come to camp in top shape and mentally ready to go. That didn't happen and now they are buying him out under prohibitive penalties that includes a pay out of over $14,000,000 and cap hits over the next 10 years that start at $1,200,000, rise to $4,200,00 in years 4 and 5, then come in at $1,460,000 for years 6 to 10. Yikes...

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:40 am EST

DREW: Yeah, I know. WIld is a Sather stroker supreme and that line is indicative of the sometimes absurd lengths he'll go to defend the man. That said, I realize at times some of us go overboard in our venting but stuff like that I find comical.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:35 am EST

If the Rangers come back with all 6 of their regular defensemen, McIlrath is likely done with the Rangers. I don't think he would play the Hunwick role as the 7th defensemen. I am a bit unsure how I feel because the Rangers did have a lot of injuries to their D, earlier in the year. Dan Boyle and Ryan McDonough were both out early. I remember a game or 2 where both McIlrath and Connor Allen were dressed. Klein and Yandle seem like the easiest because of the contracts and no clauses restricting trading. But those contracts are more of what the Rangers need.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:31 am EST

What should be pointed out about Emerson Etem is that the kid is not fully formed yet. Through the age of 22, he just finished parts of three seasons and played a total of 112 games. What did Carl Hagelin do by the age of 22? He hadn't even made the NHL yet. Maybe with this team, Etem will put it all together. Just a thought ....TD.... I would have felt better about the trades on draft day if we hit a home run with the picks we made. I don't feel like we did. Gropp is a wait and see, but could be a high reward type of player.I expect Kovacs to be an NHL'er and wish we made more picks like him. I really felt a lot of quality that dropped to later in the draft and that we should have done a better job of going after it. We seemed to pick more for need instead of the best player available. IMO, you always take the best player/biggest talent available where ever you pick. Especially with the way our drafts have gone the last few years. Just my .02 cents of course.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:30 am EST

RF - for the record, that wasn't me.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:27 am EST

'Chicago were a few bounces away from not getting those cups' is absolutely hilarious...

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:25 am EST

Boys and girls - just what are you envisioning happening over the summer? Unless there's a move coming involving 1 (or more) of Girardi/Staal or Nash or Stepan/Brassard, there are no more moves of any significance coming. The Rangers have something like $13,5000,000 to sign Stepan, MIller, Fast, Etem, MSL's replacement and 2 black aces. With that limitation they aren't about to address anything of significance, unless they are willing to move one of their big 3 defensemen....

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:22 am EST

The other thought that came to mind was that I brought up Chicago's 3 Stanley Cups and they are pressed against the cap as well. Wild mentioned that Chicago were a few bounces away from not getting those cups. So then I thought, well, the Rangers were down 3-1 in Pittsburgh and could have lost that series. Then, I believe they caught a break by not having to face Carey Price and then caught the wrong end of breaks in the LA series. They were also down 3-1 to the Caps this year and were down a goal with less than 2 minutes to go in Game 5. So as much as they were 20 minutes away from the finals, they were also 2 minutes away from a 2nd round ouster in 5. We have to look at it both ways. So what team do we really have. An elite contender or a 2nd tier team that caught a few breaks? Before I get killed, I am not being negative, I truly do not know the answer. I am not on the ledge, but I am also not confident in Sather and now Gorton has me nervous as he seems to be the guy who is transitioning to the GM.

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 8:17 am EST

For what it's worth, with all this talk about Etem "being a step-down replacement" for Hagelin, I'm not so certain that Etem makes the team even as a regular. We need to see what else happens over the summer and who steps up at camp.

Ranger47


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:50 am EST

mf: No one but Glen Sather wants Dan Boyle.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:48 am EST

TD: How come the Rangers traded Hagelin when they have no cap issues and everyone could be resigned? I believe you, along with Wildcard, were the loudest on here about the cap issues not existing and everyone could be resigned. IMO, the cap issues remain and once the roster is filled out, the Rangers will be facing the same issue as they did when they made the Yandle trade - having to pay extra to entice the opposing GM into eating salary. Sather needs to go.

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:45 am EST

Mf - the islanders traded for Dan Boyle's rights last off season and he didn't sign with them. Plus aren't the Islanders deep at defense?

DREW


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:41 am EST

Shanahan had an affair with Craig Janney's wife. What a scumbag...

RF4L


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:31 am EST

Well, I almost expected to come here and see a mass obituary for all the people who jumped off the ledge...hipcheck summed it up perfectly: As of now, we have essentially the same team that came one game away from going to the finals two years in a row...Do I like those trades? Not really. But are they the end of the world? Hell no. I've been a HUGE booster for HAGELIN, TALBOT and HAGGERTY since all three were in college...hurts to lose players you like...and I hate losing the homegrown guys the most, because it's like a piece of the team's identity is pulled away...but in all three deals, the only way to look at them is to see what we had and view what we got...not what we COULD have gotten...Seems like some have a very myopic view of deals, rumored deals and why they didn't happen...I mean, when the Jimmy HAYES rumor first surfaced, my first thought was, 'that's nice, but how the hell are they going to fit him into the lineup and under the cap? Sure, now he could slide into the third line winger position...but the guy is looking for $3 million, which is what the Rangers didn't want to pay HAGELIN...so we trade for a big winger and then lose him to an offer sheet...and then end up with essentially what we got for TALBOT...and though I don't agree with York's idea that Sather "overplayed" his hand, he's 100 percent right in that Talbot is, as we speak, a VERY GOOD backup goalie. No more, no less...and then the Hagelin deal...So Sather didn't put up a big neon light saying he was for sale...well....because he wasn't...the Ducks gave the Rangers what they wanted...they had their eye on ETEM at the draft and then at the WJCS...they had their eye, apparently, on GROPP...they managed to get both...And on losing HAGGERTY...much as I like the kid, he didn't take the step forward I thought he would and TBH, he regressed after coming out strong. I still wouldn't have traded him, but with the wingers the Rangers have in the pipeline, the bottom line is he's a 22-year-old player that was expendable...And lastly, this notion the Rangers are a 'weaker team now than before...' I simply don't get it. It's essentially the same team minus Hags plus Etem. Anyway, glad you're all still alive and some of you apparently are climbing back away from the ledge.

tdchi


Mon Jun 29 2015 7:06 am EST

christian hilbrich is a very interesting camp invite. led cornell in goals , 6'7 with long arms and throw em.

docjay


Mon Jun 29 2015 6:19 am EST

Higgy21, I don't think it's all that bad. We came into the draft/offseason needing to get a power forward - preferably one who could take face offs. We could also have used a solid, gritty Dman. Did we get either? No. We did lose a PK specialist, and speedy winger who gives us roughly 15-17 goals a year, and another winger, past his prime who netted us roughly the same. We lost a solid back up goalie. We picked up a speedy forward who has a bit of grit, and can probably make up for 15 of the 30-35 goals we lost. We picked up, from what Im hearing, a pretty decent back up goalie. That is on ice. Back office we cleared up cap space, with Cam, (Antti makes less) Hags (Etem makes less) and MSL (no replacement yet). That leaves the team - which for some reason people feel is not important. Uh-huh. A team that cant stand each other, or is fighting, is not a - errr Team. It's a cacophony of talent all wearing the same outfit. So, we have Etem, not known to be a problem with attitude. Antti, no bad news is good news. We lost MSL - rumored to be disliked by a couple of players, and Hags - that was the big loss in the locker room...he was a core player. So, where are we? Pretty much where we were when we started - on ice, better off fiscally, and a step backward in the locker room. Doing nothing when your competition is moving forward is not good...so we must get someone in the offseason. We need that forward. They say we have the Dman in Mcillrath - remains to be seen. The summer is still young, we shall see. BTW having Nash, Brassard, Hayes, Miller, Stepan, Moore, Sheppard, Zuuc, Kreider is not that shabby.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:57 pm EST

JFC: Kessels PO stats at the bottom of this link.... .95ppg in the 22 playoff games he appeared in..... Not too shabby..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4976

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:55 pm EST

Kessel didn't make this list......http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-worst-locker-room-cancers-in-nhl-history/?view=all

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:46 pm EST

This team is terrible. Nash, Zucc, Brassard, Stepan, Kreider, Hayes. That's it. That's our offense. Let's face it, Gorton is no better, picked up all the bad habits, and I'm sure agreed with all these moves. Need to start fresh, and clean house.

Higgy21


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:40 pm EST

Let's face it. McIlrath is ready. The fact that Sather isn't trying to trade Boyle or Staal is absurd, but he can't seem to stop handing out NMC, so it's gonna be difficult. Yandle and Klein are steals at their price tag. Sather never should've of traded many players, most notably Gaborik, and now Hagelin, even Haggerty. Hagelin fit in too well. I have a feeling we're going to see a Mike Richards signing in the near future. We need offense, maybe Staal for Sharp. He's supposedly poison in the locker room, but it obviously doesn't matter, moving Hagelin destroys much of the team chemistry anyways.

Higgy21


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:30 pm EST

If we did acquire Kessel, I'd want Nash on the roster... I feel they'd each pull attention away from the other guy whether on different lines or even the same line... If we make it to the playoff's and NASH has once again turned into, "PERIMETER-MAN," we look to move him with the two years left on his contract.... jmo naturally......

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:20 pm EST

WIOSA -- that whole team has been poisoned by LOSING and by the insane battering they take from their fans and the Toronto media. I care about results, especially in the POs. The guy puts the biscuit in the basket at crunch time. He has very very good speed and he can even play center if needed. Imwould even entertain the idea of sending Nash up North for Kessel,just for the simple,fact that he knows how to succeed at PO time.

JFC31


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:15 pm EST

RF: Cut that out..... I'll tell you what, "IF" Boyle would accept a trade to the IceHoles, I'd do Boyle for Okposo straight up and offer to pay $1.7 mill of Boyles salary.... This way the IceHoles get Boyle at the same price they're paying Okposo.. We get what we need, and perhaps they get what they need, and we get a bit better realigned under the cap.......

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:14 pm EST

JFC lots of rumors about him being a locker room poison. A Rod in skates. (minus the PED's)

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:12 pm EST

RF4L, you know, you may have a point. Someone on another site brought up an interesting point. the MSL trade. MSL was DEMANDING a trade and he only wanted the Rangers. The ball was in Sathers court, - and he didn't seem to recognize this. He acted like Bolts were doing us a favor, he should've went in acting like we were doing them a favor. The man doesn't realize who is sitting pretty in these negotiations. He always puts us in the "needy" group...leaving us with less.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:10 pm EST

Kessel = playoff wiz.....just sayin'. He's been playing with a disfunctional team for quite a while. If he can put the puck in the net during the playoffs that is a HUGE factor AFAIAC. He does look a little bit chubby at this point, kinda like Nash was but if he comes to a winning team, there's a god chance he'll get his act together. I would take him on this team without a doubt

JFC31


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:09 pm EST

Interesting article in NHL.com....apparently to Buffalo and Edmonton, it was Lehner that was coveted, not Cam. It wasn't just his contract either. Apparently Cam is a big question mark since he played behind one of, if not THE best defensive teams in the league. Neither Buffalo or the Oilers have a solid defense to start off. They were concerned. Well enough beating a dead horse..Im just trying to understand what happened, why we didn't get more.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:59 pm EST

Altzheimers = Sather could be

vcp1994


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:46 pm EST

RF4L yep you said it. Too bad garden management could give 2 shits what we think

vcp1994


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:43 pm EST

mf: Read my lips/read my words: NO ONE WANTS DAN BOYLE! NO ONE! NO ONE! NO ONE! NO ONE! Except Glen Sather.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:42 pm EST

Kaleta? Who the snot on here what's that piece of shit. With all due respect, phuck that.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:38 pm EST

Nash does get us into the playoffs no arguments there.......After that is NASH and CRASH.....Boyle no idea why hey was brought here.....he is awful....4.5 million for that crap..............Hags is one of those guys that doesn't score 20 or 30 goals but he is tope 3 speed in the league..............excellent defensively...........scores 16 or 17 goals and actually score some in the playoffs as many as NASH go figure FUCK YOU SATHER FUCK YOU SATHER

vcp1994


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:34 pm EST

Arc..exactly my point and Glass...GAS gets 1.4......in the playoffs I take Hags over Nash any day. Nash is gone in the playoffs 8 mil for that piece of shit..... Hags was a core guy scored some big playoff goals.....I don't get and this guy they got is worthless he is a fast skating 4th liner with brains in his ass several friends of mine who watch west coast games and have seen him were shocked that they got haglin for him I guess Boyle, Nash must blow sather pretty well. Oh wait he had his prostate removed.ahahahahahh

vcp1994


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:21 pm EST

Aside from being our best PK/ forechecker and Zuccs best bud, K Hayes has unequivocallystated that playing with Hags has been the most crucial part of his success last year. Infact, although we continue to classify him as 3rd liner, his speed alone can get him too line min and even improve a slumping line (see year before). I thought he was one of our most indispensable guys. To get this crap about the cap from Gorton while the toothless wonder that is Boyle collects $4 mil???? Go cufk yourself there Jeff

_Arc


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:56 pm EST

KESSEL: listed at 6' 202 lbs explosively fast... How out of shape do you think this guy is? You bring him onto a NY Rangers team and I'm leaning to believe that the rumors of his defensive lapses will diminish greatly... This guy has been averaging .78 ppg with Toronto, once again with Stepan or Brassard, or even Hayes or Miller dishing this guy the puck, 65-80 point production from this guy should be attainable... Kessel would also take a lot of the attention off of Rick Nash...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4976

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:44 pm EST

Rumored that the IceHoles want to move OKPOSO a RHS RW with one yr remaining at $2.8mill.... the Iceholes could use a Defenseman like Boyle (I say so :-) he would give them 3 LHS & 3 RHS D'men..... Okposo is in the mold of what we need, top 6, RHS, 18 / 33 / 51pts excellent skater who will go to the net.... You get him instead of Kessel and we can troll for a Mike Richards too...... Boyle just might agree, he could stay in NY.........

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:41 pm EST

Steve I agree. All, please light candles to the hockey gods...NO KESSEL. I mean nobody wants this guy. And there has to be a reason.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:39 pm EST

I would not mind having PA Parenteau back seeing Montreal has cut him loose.Always liked the guy

newfie2014


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:35 pm EST

have

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:35 pm EST

Forget about Kaleta for the same money we can hoe Downie who puts points up........Kaleta: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4632 ........ Downie: ......http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5180

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:32 pm EST

Wiosa if that's true gorton is a jerk . Which means he fits right in.

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:27 pm EST

We need to move Boyle ($4.5mill) and Glass ($1.45mill) out of here.... Glass because for the same price or less, we can get another 10-15 points out of his roster spot, and the same or more skillset….... As for Boyle, we need the Cap room plain & simple... Side note: IMO, as soon as Sheppard came aboard and helped with the heavy lifting, Glass' play improved noticeably.... We currently have $12.6 mill in Cap Space with Talbot out and Uncle-Antti in........Moving Boyle & Glass brings the cap room to $18.55 million to sign: Stepan, Miller, Fast, Sheppard, McIlrath, Lindberg, Yum Yum (made $810K last season) Hunwick? That group should be able to be signed for right around $13mill, which would leave $5.55 mill in cap…........ Names which are bound to come up here again: Kessel, Mike Richards was bought out, Jarret Stoll….

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:14 pm EST

Nothing against Hags but the guy was Grabner. Speed is good but it's not everything; if so sign Apolo Ohno. I think Etem has a chance to be a consistent 20-goal guy at least and is a bit younger. Also this was a cap dump situation. They still have to address the McIlrath situation, right? Won't we lose him for nothing on waivers if he doesn't make the team? And right now, he doesn't. So someone has to get shipped.

Nick


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:13 pm EST

Evets, unless Hags is lying, which I doubt. The Rangers never even contacted his agent/manager to find out what he was looking for...http://ducks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=772547

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:08 pm EST

The Rangers are in a cap crunch like lots of other teams in the league. I loved Hagelin, but he essentially priced himself off the team. No one can say that the Rangers got nothing back for him as we don't really know what to expect from Etem (he's got a summer's worth of development ahead of him, with the wake-up call of being traded to motivate him), and the Rangers were pretty high on Gropp. Until we see Gropp's development, we don't know if this trade was worth it. Getting Stepan under contract long term is the obvious priority. Nash was and is clearly going nowhere. As for free agency, with Hagelin gone and St. Louis most likely not coming back, (I'm sure I'm going to be ripped to shreds for this suggestion) I think the Rangers should see if they could bring in Mike Richards (about to be bought out) on the cheap. I really like Richard's grit and decent faceoff stats. Then, as much as I hate him, they might consider bringing in Patrik Kaleta. He's a liability, but he may keep other teams honest. If the Rangers feel that Oscar Lindberg is ready, I can see them moving Dominic Moore in the offseason and dumping Glass on anyone that will take him. Krieder-Stepan-Nash, Zucc-Brassard-Hayes, Miller-Richards-Etem, Kaleta-Lindberg/Moore-Fast.

evets1980


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:51 pm EST

Sather thought he was trading hank until he got the memo that the oiler gm read to him .... I think he gave him the slow you blow bumper sticker too...

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:23 pm EST

Nick, you called the Talbot fiasco...take the deal Slats, pull the trigger.....this isn't Patrick Roy

jnyr


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:22 pm EST

JFC, hopefully that will bear fruit. I would feel a lot better if the Ducks weren't such a physically powerful team. I mean in their playoff against the Hawks, they were borderline old Broad Street Bullies physical. So what was holding this guy (Etem) back? Im hoping it was a glut at his position.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:21 pm EST

Or maybe it's Sathers Fare Thee Well tour.

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:20 pm EST

25-11-3 not bad Talbot, too bad Sather did not get the memo. Some much for the Rangers core, trading Haglin for next to nothing puts Rangers in rebuild mode. Sather why don't you take the nuclear approach on your way out. He is leaving but wants to make sure the Rangers don't come close for years to come. It's the Caine Mutiny.

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:17 pm EST

Moof want to be treasurer of the ball club ? I'll send you $20 ...get a group discount send 50 sets ?

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:12 pm EST

Pick one and send to the nyr one for each in the entire organization to hang in the locker room and offices ....http://www.pickupspecialties.com/Truck_Nuts/truck_balls_trucknutz.htm

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:09 pm EST

Cannot believe we lost Haggerty for a backup Goalie

MelvilleFred


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:07 pm EST

The Hagelin trade has the feel of Korpikoski for Enver Lisen to me

jnyr


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:05 pm EST

JFC31: IMHO, grit and abrasiveness is "An Attitude." I doubt very much that there are many wimps in the NHL.... It's this coach! .... OAN, we need a taker for BOYLE... there are teams that need another defensemen with room in their cap..... The Ducks, Stars, Islanders, I really don't care where, just get the $4.5 million out of here....... Then we can pick over the UFA carcass and all yell & scream about the do's & don'ts about a guy like Kessel......

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 6:55 pm EST

Stevie touched on this earlier but ImthinkmitbindicatesII a pretty profound comment....we can talk about the "ingredients" we need, such as GRIT, and complain about the fact that it shan't been addresses, but if you really analyze the PK ayers we have and their capabilities, maybe the BIGGEST factor in changing out approach to a more PO-style team has to do with THE COACH, notnthe players! Maybe the GRIT is a,ready on the team and its simply not being emphasized enough. If this kid Etem has the size and had shown flashes of being more physically capable than Hags, then the coach needs to EMPOWER hi. And encourage him to emphasize that part of,his game. TELL HIM that they want him to bring a physical element to this team. The same way AV can DEMAND that his team plays a defensive style which emphasized THREE players going to the boards in the defensive zone and getting his players (especially defenseman) to,playnthe testily, why can't AV change the emphasis of "Rangers hockey" to a more PO-oriented approach? Can't Chris Kreider bro g big time hitting to,this team...a lot more than he has so far? Of course! But AV needs to TELL HI. THAT! Same with JT Miller....the kid can play physical hockey....no doubt about it. The TELL HIM that ismhis you want him to,play....DEMAND IT.....make it part of this team's mind set. Just like I said that Sather is like the CEO of the Rangers and therefore is responsible for every off-ice aspect of Rangers hockey, AV is responsible,for,every ON-ICE aspect of Rangers hockey. If the team isn't playing the type of style,that wins in the POs....THEN CHANGE THE STYLE! Doesn't mean you have to,tear the whole,thing apart, but you can mandate that your 3rd and 4th lines play a chip, crash and BANG style,throughout the season. You can demand that your top 2' lines play a speed/finesse style in transition but also DEMAND that they finish their checks. We have GRIT on this team if AV would bring it to the forefront.

JFC31


Sun Jun 28 2015 6:37 pm EST

RF4L- I don't know much about Bernhardt, big kid who scored a ton in the junior league in Sweden but still didn't get much attention from any junior national team which is the case for most good Swedish prospects. I've seen some reports about how he don't play defense etc, but I mean, the competition is not that high for the national team's so I don't know. Definitely a gamble pick, I am thinking we want to buy at the exact right time on a kid that for various reasons hasn't put it together already overall.

Ola


Sun Jun 28 2015 5:41 pm EST

And I looked. The Kid from Rusia played in the CHL so not the reason he will not be at camp....

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:58 pm EST

RF4L: does he play across the pond? If so maybe he couldn't afford the trip over...there are usually a few kids from overseas who are not in attendance and I think getting a trip planned for a development camp on such short notice would be tough. He may also be in a hockey off season camp someplace as well.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:50 pm EST

And who is Rasmus Bengtsson??

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:49 pm EST

He's at camp this week. So is Kovacs. Why that Russian kid isn't is confusing. Maybe he's hurt?

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:47 pm EST

Ola: Good call on the Swedish and Finnish kids just drafted (for WJC) - dunno why I forgot them. Perhaps Daniel Bernhardt is a candidate for the Swedish team, too. You've not said anything about him. Any particular reason?

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:40 pm EST

Rasmus Bengtsson is a good D. Probably better now than 50% of the kids drafted ever will become. But, not sure if he is good enough for the NHL. Very complete D, think Tyutin maybe without a bit of the hitting.

Ola


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:25 pm EST

and of course bullshit nothing for Talbot 3 fucking picks that may bear fruit in 2 or 3 years

vcp1994


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:24 pm EST

among other things that disgust me is that hags true is no superstar like Nash ...ahahahahahh.. He is one of the core players in my opinion and zucc who is another core player and really needed by this team lost a best friend. Yes they are pros but chemistry is critical and Boyle makes 4.5 million which makes me utterly ill. Sather is an asshole. Glass is worthless at 1.5 million het there is more than enough for hags who is defensively excellent and has brilliant speed and score 15+ goals which is more than boyle/glass

vcp1994


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:17 pm EST

What a blown opportunity… Someone send Sather over to ISIS; they know how to make heads roll…… We needed to get a roster player and clear cap, we can always restock the cupboard after addressing the higher priorities....... Hank wasn't getting traded much to my chagrin, the next cap clearing guy that needed to go was Boyle.... If that proved to be another dead end thought, we'd need to look at Klein & yes Hagelin... They should have offered Edmonton TALBOT, HAGELIN, & KLEIN for DRAISAITL... Edmonton gets their Goaltender, a top 4 defenseman (especially on their squad) who is signed for 3 seasons, a great 3rd line player in Hagelin, who is responsible enough to play on any line in a pinch…..If Edmonton won't bite on that, you try to massage that with something else that gets Chiarelli to accept....... If they say no to include DRAISAITL and counter with Yakupov, we pull Klein off the table and offer Talbot with Hagelin for The Yak straight up..... If they say STEPAN in place of HAGELIN, we counter with EBERLE in place of YAK………….. Hagelin (35points) MSL (52points) I don’t want to MSL back, however with whom are we replacing those 87 points? …………..We still need to move a salary to fit under the cap.... Wonder if Toronto would offer Dan Boyle another year after this at $4.5 to get him to accept, along with eating $3mill every year on the remainder of KESSEL'S contract.... At $5mill per, Kessel's a steal...........Depending upon how the NY Ranger Brass cleans up this fiasco, I think it’s fair to ask whether or not this team is worth following much more than checking the standings in the newspaper?

mf


Sun Jun 28 2015 4:16 pm EST

I don't know much but I know we're further from a CUP after this weekend than what we were going into it!

MelvilleFred


Sun Jun 28 2015 3:52 pm EST

Guys I agree on Etem. But there's a bit to like about him too. I think got an eye opener when we played Tampa. You do get another gear when a big portion of the players through a lineup has potential to finish plays and make them. Etem can skate straight ahead but is a bit square and can get behind the pace. Doesn't really have the feel for the game like someone like Hagelin who can stay on top of the puck all over. Kinda reminds of Kreider in that sense. But Etem can definitely finish plays.

Ola


Sun Jun 28 2015 3:47 pm EST

Our beloved Team was one period, one freak'n 20 minute period of hockey, from going back to The Stanley Cup Finals 2 YEARS IN A ROW!!!! This mass depression is way overblown. We still have a solid, really fun team to look forward to again next season. I'm very upset also, but seriously we have endured much, much, much worse as fans. I can't predict a Championship, but I'm confident we are still in a sustained period of annual trips to the playoffs.

hipcheck


Sun Jun 28 2015 3:27 pm EST

RF4L- Good news, the Finnish kid we picked must be as close to a lock to play in the WJC as a kid can be, played last year as a 18 y/o! I also think Kovac has a real good shot at playing for Sweden, think he is a lock basically unless the coach don't like "dislike" him.

Ola


Sun Jun 28 2015 3:18 pm EST

The J.Hayes thing, rumors I saw were he wants more than the Rangers can afford...I say open talks about acquiring him, make it work, move Glass that way or something. Klein? I don't know but figure it out. Move a player to a different team and trade assets for him. Would be a good addition. IMHOTEP but there is no point trading for a player you can't afford.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 3:16 pm EST

Two things. First: I love how people here will rip Sarher for the cap issues than say he should have gotten an impact top 6 guy, well the cap will not allow for that, also they then rip him for trading Hags due to his impact on the games and how him not being there will make getting into the playoffs harder....than say trade Nash, because removing him wouldn't have any impact on the regular season...right? Second: as for the return for Hags, he would have fetched a first + instead of a higher Second + if he was signed for 2 seasons. He is an arbitration eligible 3rd line player. Yes he is a very effective good 3rd line player but still a 3rd liner. So without a guarantee of a longer deal his value takes a big hit. It would have delayed the return, but I would have liked to see a conditional pick. A 2nd if he didn't sign past this next season and a first if he did. And also if he signed a multi year deal this summer it would be next years first, if not the deal would wait for completion until after next season....those kinds of deals are rare, but it would have been better.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 2:02 pm EST

Brad Richards is available too and Msl as a package deal ...

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:55 pm EST

And there is always Mike Richards and Scott Gomez on the free agent market ;)

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:55 pm EST

I wonder if someone could surprise in camp and make it to the big club in the middle. Tambellini maybe? I have no idea. There is a long way to go before the season starts, but a lot of work still remains for the Rangers. They need more size and skill up front. They need more goals during the playoffs so that weak backhanders through Henrik's legs do not doom them to failure. It's only June, and the Rangers did backfill the pipeline with some prospects and that is a positive. I still think they should have ended up with 2 first rounders out of the 2 trades or 1 and a useful player, but it is what it is. I have to think Gordon was frustrated by the way the thing panned out. He sure looked like it.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:50 pm EST

Hospo I'm of the mindset of keeping guys like Hagelin and talbot even if they walk like Boyle and stralman . Go get a replacement for Msl from inside or outside like jimmy Hayes . Promote Big Mac or lose him on waivers . See if you can get 2 nhl players for Nash or stand pat and kick him in his ass during the playoffs. I'd resign shepherd . Hunwick I'd let walk. Trade ahl guys for picks otherwise just continue to sign free kids and ufas. No matter what I repeat its up to Veenknow to change or he'd lose with an all star team .... What's done is done , too bad. The less sather does the better I like it . The guy looks senile . And gorton looks shaky . Hank better stay healthy and good or this team is in big trouble . Unless this new guy has what it takes . Good luck with that mr allaire.... Way past time to hire special assistants for faceoffs, fighting, skating et al.... And a team of shrinks....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:47 pm EST

MSL and a 2nd for Ryan Callahan and 2 firsts. LOL. Shameful and reminiscent of the McD deal.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:45 pm EST

Bob: That's depressing if it turns out to be reality and if so, then really emphasizes how poor the Hagelin trade is. A first rounder should have been had and if you read what Murray (Duck GM) says, he apparently overheard the Ranger talking about the possibility of moving Hagelin so they inquired about it. If that's true, then WTF? When you have a commodity like Hags available, you let everyone know. Very disconcerting. And perhaps why he didn't fetch better value. ANyways, I hope you're prognosis on Etem turns out to be inaccurate. What a depleted farm system the Rangers have.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:41 pm EST

BTW, FWIW Clark feels Gropp is in the top 6 of his draft class for pure skill. He will bare watching. I just reviewed the Canadian junior camp invite list and he's not on it. That doesn't mean anything necessarily but if he was on it, would be noteworthy. There are, of course, no Ranger owned kids invited. I think Halverson might be the only Ranger prospect with a chance at representing the Rangers in this year's WJC, which isn't to be unexpected, given the lack of high picks in the past 2 drafts.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:41 pm EST

HOSPO--Etem will end up playing with Moore and Glass on the 4th line or end up in Hartford. I have watched him for 3-4 years here, probably most of the games he has played in the league as i have season tickets to Anaheim. He won't be a consistent 3rd liner on the Rangers. Fast is far better than him. What he will do is prevent Ryan Borque from playing in NY. What he won't do is have the impact on games that Hagelin did. He is not a prancer, just gets lost on the ice regularly. For now, Lindberg had better be ready to move up and be productive or the Rangers need more help up front. Duclair's spot is now open. Who will fill it? Jimmy Hayes could have. Oh well.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:38 pm EST

Hospo: Let's hope the Rangers get lucky here and Etem finds his game due to the trade/coming to a new organization. It certainly wouldn't be the first time if it happens. 61 goals in his final junior season really stands out for me and if it can be harnessed, its something Hagelin didn't have in his game. Hags with his speed and forechecking, created lots of chances for himself but far more often than not, his lack of a quick and accurate shot meant a puck fired either wide or directly into the goalie's chest. Etem and Gropp, if the former takes and step and the latter is the real deal, would be more than an adequate return for Hagelin IMO. Yes, 2 significant ifs...

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:28 pm EST

The Duck GM on Etem.."He had some really good games, but in other games he stalled"..I mostly saw the "other" games and I would substitute "floated" and "pranced" for stalled and why he was passed by so many other young players and sent down to the AHL where he also flaoted....Huge risk in my eyes especially when you are trading the exact opposite in Hagelin, somebody that gives 200% every game....And then there's the TALBOT fiasco

Hospo


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:24 pm EST

Ranger prospect camp invite list announced - it starts tomorrow. Will be interesting to see how Tambellini looks and the Rangers top pick from yesterday Gropp. http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/rangers-announce-2015-prospect-camp-roster

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 12:25 pm EST

guess jimmy Hayes facing his old team didn't bother their gm...what a crock.....it's about the cap and signing hayes if they made that deal....the oilers have to figure out how to resign Talbot or they got a 1 year rental. hagelin has to be resigned too, or he goes to arbitration with a gm bs about the cap. ...sather has to go but that's not going to make it better unless veenknow gets it and his pp coach gets it.....that's where the real holes are , along with a team that 's too soft for playoff hockey.....they're close but so far show they don't have enough heart and soul.....I put that at the feet of the coaches and the gm.....relax have fun, dolan's happy he's making money.....keep up the good work, make the playoffs ...the fans will be back whether you win the cup or not......welcome to the nyr resort and hockey club.....eat em up......first class no matter what you do......I hope msl comes out and explains what he thought is wrong with the nyr even though his mirror is broken......I'm willing to bet he would agree with me......even the big easy would score more if he was put in the right spot on the pp despite his mental problems......it's a disgrace when a team is underachieving because of it's culture and leadership.....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 12:05 pm EST

https://twitter.com/ctalbot33/status/615191711506108416/photo/1

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 11:59 am EST

Wow. Jimmy Hayes. he would have made a team that was close to the cup better. Instead, we have Emerson Etem for Hags, with holes still remaining and the team is worse that last season. All because the Rangers did not want to face Talbot 3 or 4 times this coming season? Asinine.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 11:58 am EST

Interesting..hope he's just an idiot. DUCKS GM MURRAY : On how the Hagelin acquisition transpired "I didn’t know until I sat down yesterday. The Rangers were right beside us. I asked [Glen Sather] what he was doing, and he mentioned that name. My ears perked up a little bit. We could use that speed and tenacity, and the way he plays. We worked on it a little yesterday, and we managed to get it done today." .... On where Hagelin fits in "That’s up to Bruce [Boudreau], but I think he’s capable of playing everywhere, and he has. He can play both sides. He’s a really good hockey player.".... On Etem’s development " He was coming along. He had some really good games, but in other games he stalled. A change will be really good for Emerson. He came a long way under us, but I think a change will be really good for him right now. I think he felt pressure at times. Now he can get away, go relax and play hockey." RELAX AND PLAY HOCKEY????? RELAX?? What are we a resort? Maybe he's just spinning....please let him just be spinning. On Trades : ".. As for moving Kyle [Palmieri] and Emerson [Etem], we got ahead of the curve with all the young players. All of a sudden all of these contracts are going to come up, and you’re going to be in trouble. We addressed that. It’s no fault of their own, but we’re trying to stay ahead of certain situations when it comes to contracts and tagging." I think that is the best way to manage your Cap, just MHO

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 11:19 am EST

fun...http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/rangers-review-nhl-15

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 11:11 am EST

James Mirtle &#8207;@mirtle 11s12 seconds ago Kings place Mike Richards on waivers (buyout).

DREW


Sun Jun 28 2015 11:04 am EST

Hey a question for the insiders...Tallon's reaction to a trade not happening is new to me. If there is genuine interest in Jimmy Hayes, would his (seemingly negative) experience in the Talbot negotiation have an affect on future dealings? I am not privy to the GM offices, I am just curious if there is ever any residual effects of a trade that never happens. I would hope these GMs are better than that. (more mature)

DREW


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:52 am EST

That is the third report (or maybe youre referring to one I read) that indicated Sather was adamant that Talbot end up out West, as long as there was an offer from a western team - that was the priority. If no western team, than he would've done florida. WILD, tell ya the truth, Gorton looks like he's at a funeral, not they aftermath of a successful draft. And if these were his selections, and his ideas, he would've looked a LOT happier. As always JMHO.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:38 am EST

puck: It's not as good as you think. Its just a delay. If the Rangers finish in a lottery pick position (which is any spot 1 to 16), their pick gets delayed to 2017. If the Rangers finish out of the POs again in 16/17 (which seems reasonable if they fall apart next year), Phoenix gets the pick. What that old fossil should have done was have Phoenix agree to the stipulation that they can only use the pick when/if it's not a lottery selection.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:16 am EST

So, I suppose that Dale Tallon is just lying to make Sather look bad? Can we now conclude that Sather had no balls and was AFRAID of Talbot coming back to haunt the Rangers, instead of just saying, "who cares....we're a a better team and we'll stay a better team and beat them WITH Talbot on their team." Instead, they went the easy route and sent him to the Oilers. If Jimmy Hayes was in the package, there was also,no balls displayed in that FLA took a chance they won't be able to sign Talbot, why couldn't we take a chance on Hayes. Maybe he and his brother become a dynamic duo, a phenomenon in NY...The Hayes Brothers....tearing up theleague, a feel-good story and J. Hayes shows he's worth trading a current roster player in order to make cap space to sign him. Well, maybe now,that Sather knows Hayes is available, he can go back to FLA with a different package. More likely, Florida will trade him somewhere else and he be available,to come back and haunt us more than Talbot ever would have.

JFC31


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:08 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/cam-talbot/florida-thought-they-were-getting-cam-talbot-but-the-rangers-wanted-him-out-west/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Sun Jun 28 2015 10:03 am EST

Interesting tidbit from Brooks article re:#1 pick from Yandle deal gets retained by NYR if they miss the playoffs- never heard that before

puckyou


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:57 am EST

C'mon Wild, Jeez! Glen Sather is the President and General Manager of the New York Rangers. He is essentially the CEO of the organization.....HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS.....even if it's done by his Asst GM......SATHER HIRED HIM SO HE IS RESPONSIBLE! Whatever happened on Draft Weekend....Sather is responsible for it, he is the LEADER of the adminstrative team. However the trades went down....it's on Sather, no one else. Period.

JFC31


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:50 am EST

Just watched this morning's SpaceX launch on NASA TV. It reminded me of the Talbot trade.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:40 am EST

Yep. Looks like a doctor sharing blood test results with an old guy in the retirement home.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:23 am EST

Bottom line sather took gambles and has not won the cup. To say he's not calling the shots is nonsense . He was talking to gms. Whatever happened it sure looks like he waited to long to make deals . That's why they changed. The other gms were talking deals to see which one was better and real. There is no right or best way to do it . He's not a likeable guy and maybe he was changing deals too. Hagelin was traded because of the cap . Talbot was traded because he didn't want to gamble with him . That insurance cancellation could backfire but that's the chance he's taking. The coach is not innocent in this nor are some of the players. I'm not happy because this team has not won it and if the coaches don't improve they won't win it regardless of sather and company , and the roster . They have not understood what it takes in the playoffs . And I'm not confident their style and philosophy will ever win it. Veenknow does not have a killer instinct for the playoff wars ....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:10 am EST

Bob: Take a gander at the picture...really kinda funny when you consider what went down.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:08 am EST

Chiarelli owned Sather this weekend. Just like Sather did Gainey in the McD deal.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:06 am EST

Finally, take a look at the picture Carp elected to include in his blog...(words keep dropping out of my posts it seems)...

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:06 am EST

Finally picture Carp elected to include with his blog covering this weekend's draft. Take a look. Chiarelli appears to be lecturing that old fossil - like a teacher barely holding his patience because he's got to keep telling his not to bright student the same thing over and over and over again. http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/06/28/rangers-draft-in-review/#prettyPhoto

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 9:02 am EST

BTW, 2 holes in the Ranger lineup remain unaddressed IMO: 1) Another top 6 forward 2) Grit. Hopefully, McI is being pencilled in (re the Rangers, AV specifically) and if he does make it, that will go a long way towards addressing issue number 2. Number 1, however, is far tougher and I suspect will come down Kreider - can he take his game to the next level (re pop 30+ goals)? If so, that will be a huge plus and arguably, mean there's no need to look outside the organization for this gap. I see no more moves of significance happening between now and opening day - the cap restraints simply don't allow it. Of course, if Sather retires and Gorton is key full control, that prediction goes out the window because I've no idea what his philosophy might be....

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:55 am EST

What the fuck trade Carlos but sign glass, Sather time to retire you old fool. The league is laughing at you. Who's next Zuc? Then gets nothing for Cam. What trash. So no more speed kills. Sather try not taking your meds for a week and don't tell anybody.

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:49 am EST

Sather did a commendable job building this team to be a legitimate cup contender. However, virtually all his moves since acquiring Nash are questionable, to say the least. The MSL deal has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster, the repercussions of which will be felt for years and years (and the organization is already experiencing it - re the Hagelin trade). The Boyle signing is hurting the club because, as many of us knew, his best days are behind him, he makes too much money and is untradeable (for those 2 reasons). I am not a Glass basher like many in here, but I do concur he makes too much money. Letting Stralman go is another significant mistake of judgement. Finally, the Yandle deal sure looks like its headed to be a lopsided one because no cup was captured this year and it's highly unlikely he'll be a Ranger in 16/17 so he either walks for nothing or just moved for what surely will be a lesser return vs what he cost. And then these latest 2 moves. For me, if that isn't enough evidence that it's time for this relic of a GM to retire, I don't know what is. If this continues, all the good we've enjoyed is going to result in no cup and then a bunch of years of hell. Where is this man's pride? I agree he ran from the media this weekend because he knows he was schooled - I hope it's enough bruising to his enormous and undeserved ego that he simply keeps running into the sunset. Please.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:39 am EST

My thoughts the morning after: One positive that stands out significantly for me: The Rangers upped their number of picks and regardless of what went the other way, that's important because the feeder system is drying up. The negatives are all being clearly vented out and they really come down to 1 thing: Poor return on 2 trades. Regarding those, I concur with those who feel Sather overplayed his hand and in the end was embarrassing schooled by Chiarelli. I'd be willing to bet all those beers TD talks about that there was an original offer of at least the 33rd pick and another high (like a 3rd). We'll never know for sure of course (I assume). For Hagelin, not for a second do I disbelieve a low first couldn't have been found. However, Sather wasn't interested because he wanted what he perceives as another top 9 forward in return due to the fact that his depleted his farm system via moving all those picks. And imagine if he hadn't done such a crappy job of cap management - it's conceivable he was forced to offer up Duclair to get Phoenix to eat 1/2 of Yandle's salary. Duclair, if still Ranger proprerty, could be that top 9 replacement and therefore, a first comes back for Hagelin.

RF4L


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:35 am EST

Rhet football is static soccer would be closest basketball is not because stars dominate ball possession in basketball. Soccer is closest and still not because changes on the fly do not happen in either sport. Hockey is a living thing changes on the fly line mix ups, five on four etc very unique compared to the sports.

York18


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:29 am EST

RHET-Exactly. He grinds every player. He should have signed Stepan to a long contract instead of the bridge deal. Same with Kreider. The Glass contract is stupid, as is the Boyle contract. The McD contract is good, and was well done. The Girardi and Staal contracts, not so much and the Lundqvist contract.......you mean Slats could not figure out that he was a keeper 2 years before the current contract was signed? In this cap world, you have to identify the keepers young and lock them up. Not easy work, but necessary.

Bob


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:29 am EST

Alex Nunn....... Semi-surprised that Lukas Bengtsson went undrafted after another strong year of production. Righty offensive D should get NHL camp invites.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:25 am EST

WILD.... Sorry, I should have said "Soccer" or do you like Basketball better? I know Hockey's unique and Analytics can't possibly apply to it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:23 am EST

JMO, but if Sather had been smarter and done less bridge deals with certain players (ie. Giving Stepan a long term deal instead of his bridge deal/ buying out Richards a year sooner) we'd be in a much better cap position. We'd also have a young center signed long term at a much more reasonable cap hit. It would make him that much more desirable on the trade market. If and when we decide to move him.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:19 am EST

Rhet: sorry football is nothing like hockey. There is almost zero transition from offensive play to defense. Changers are not on the fly and the play stops after every possession. Hockey is free flowing with limited stops, for football that would mean if there was an interception that a D lineman would come off the field and a running back would come on without the game stopping, take the ball and go all while the offensive players from the other team were trying to get off so the D guys could try to stop the running back. Have to say that would be pretty cool, but that's not the way it is. So stats work better there.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:13 am EST

Rhet: haven read up on it in length, and having spoken to an NHL analytics guy ( had the dumb luck if running into one where I work...guy made me feel like I had no brain, so intelligent it's unreal) and having had 3 of about 25 teams I emailed respond, the NHL feels analytics is a good tool, but they are still trying to figure out how to apply those stats because there are so many variables. In fact there was an article about Torts and Sullivan watching (since they were not working) every goal and non goal attempt for every team for an entire season and we're looking for a new way to apply the advance stats to use players better. Yesterday or the day before there was a blurb with Sullivan being an AHL coach or something again or in the running or whatever, that he was bringing some of those new ideas to the bench. Teams know they can't put analytics too highly because in hockey it's hard...for instance you have to basically remove any stats generated right at a line change....and any time a goalie screws up bad, those situations were two the Analytics guy I got to chat with pointed out. He said "can you hold a center responsible for a LW taking a shot from the far blue line and having the goalie let it in?" So there is a lot to look at. He spends 20-30 hours breaking down each player for his team. He puts in ungodly hours, just to give his boss a tool to use to try and decide if a player is worth keeping. But it's just a bit of it. They can't use it on its own. If they did, Giradi wouldn't be on the top pair, probably off the Rangers and the D would be much less great.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:12 am EST

YORK.... Analytics have been very successful in Football. I think that's a pretty fair comparison to hockey. Like any tool, it's only as good as the person using it and subject to human error.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 28 2015 8:00 am EST

WILD.... Teams not relying on them yet is largely because it flies in the face of everything they've known, or been taught their entire lives. You can't deny the huge impact it's had on other major sports. It's been an unqualified success. Hockey needs to wake up and smell the 21st century, but everything needs to be put in it's proper context. The Girardi vs. Hunwick comparison is not valid. Hunwick plays better in shorter increments. The more minutes he plays the less effective he is. IMO, analytics does show how overrated I think Girardi really is. Which is also something I've actually seen with my eyes as well. The comparison I actually saw a lot more of was Hunwick vs. Klein. In the case of Glass: advanced statistics that show how often the team scores when he's on the ice vs. how often the team scores when he's not on the ice is not valid information? How well his line mates play with him vs. how well they play without him are not valid? Despite playing pretty well for a stretch in the postseason, Glass is overpaid and doesn't make the team better(IMO). He can go for a used bag of pucks for all I care.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:57 am EST

WIOSA: from that one GM talking I got the impression that it was very unusual to never talk with the GM during a deal...for some reason I remember it being a bigger deal...and thinking about it I saw something that made me think Gorton was the primary talker with the MSL deal save a few things....if that is all true I think Sather is being very smart in one aspect, he knows he will be gone soon, and wants there to be a seamless transition instead of a sudden change. That's always better for an organization.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:53 am EST

York: no doubt if those bigger offers were on the table that he screwed up some, but there is this assumption that it's all Sather. He should have jumped at one of the first big ones, but if other GMs were offering stuff and than changing it shortly after that's pretty crappy. You need integrity and if there are GMs who didn't Sather should call them out by name. It's hard not to press when you have a couple GMs one upping each other and then when you go back to them they are like "no, the first isn't on the table anymore" I mean what's the point of negotiations if your talking to people who have no intention of following through? We don't know of course how extreme the pull backs were, so we can't know how bad Sather screwed up, but there is a rush to put the blame on 1 guy within a system not just from the Rangers side, but the other teams side along with media chatter that sets the mood of us fans. I always thought some of the rumors were too good and thought perhaps the Rangers were leaking those great ones.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:52 am EST

Wild, could be. Of course, I was in charge of purchasing on one of my jobs..I negotiated all the fine print, haggled, groveled, and offered. When all was said and done, the contract was signed, by my boss, the Comptroller. Nobody even knew he existed. I was doing his bidding, not his job. I was letting him know what the counter offers were, the competition etc. He said yay or nay. That didn't mean I was on my way to being comptroller, it meant I was doing my job and he was doing his. I imagine it MIGHT be the same here. Not sure though, you could be right.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:48 am EST

Leo AMEN ...so say Newfie_Ranger and I.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:47 am EST

Will add about Sather. I think the transition as someone said will be subtle and without fanfare. Essentially the bulk of the job has been turned over to others already. I am sure soon enough the change will be made official...in fact I kind of see it happening some random day in like January. That way Sather will have been the GM in 2016 so if they can win the cup he will have his name as GM in the cup year. Just a guess. Or, the other time frame is he retires within a day or two of the last game of the season and this is his last run. He may even announce it soon....

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:41 am EST

RHet analytics works in static situations like baseball but hockey is a living thing and as pointed out doesn't work for hockey because defense is as important as offensive output.......Wild uncle glen as I'm sure you call him screwed up this one not as bad as some claim but he screwed up. He has a couple months to right the ship and for the record I don't blame just him Horton is as much to blame

York18


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:14 am EST

Wow. Damn phone. And damn quick spray finger. IMHO and Ben = been

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 7:13 am EST

Not sure what IMHOTEP is. Should have Ben IMHOTEP

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 6:58 am EST

Sather not talking to the press....last year, no wait the year before, a GM said that during trade negotiations he never once spoke with Sather, the only time he ever heard his voice was on the trade call, and that's because the NHL wants the GM. But he thought it was odd. I have said it before, Sather is essentially a figure head who signs off on things. Some are assuming that teams moved on because Sather took too long, well maybe and if so that's terrible management, but what if it was an hour, a team usually puts a time clock on an offer, like, "this is good till 3 today,we have other things to address" if the Rangers called back at 2 and the deal was gone than well, IMHOTEP on his way out Sather needs to disclose that in detail (without player names cause that's not cool) and call out those GMs, because if you tell a team it's on the table, you need to call them back before you put it...who knows during that time how many deals didn't get don't because Sather had a better deal on the table and a team pulled out of the bidding. Maybe that's why Florida got back in it some GM pulled their offer and it reopened things. Again it could have been all Sathers fault, but we can't know. The other thing is how everyone is saying he passed on a great Florida deal. They base this on the Hayes rumor and the Florida GM saying he had a big offer on the table. What was it. Next years 2nd and a prospect with a couple roster players that the Rangers couldn't afford? Or was it actually a good for the Rangers offer? People assume the Florida GM is being 100% honest and that he knows better than the Rangers what's good for the Rangers.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 6:46 am EST

RHET: in order to use analytics you need more than 30 stay breakdowns. Did you know that? I bet you love the writers over a blueshirt banter....they use 2 or 3 advanced stats and run with them. But to use analytics you need to look at current score who's on the ice with a player, what the mix of players are for the other team. Where shots are taken from, who took them and on and on and on. Glass isn't the worst player in the NHL, and most analytics show you are bad unless you have an offensive game. You know the analytics community says Giradi isn't a top 4 D, and Hunnwick could replace him. That was the last thing I needed to know, save a few people with all the statistics possible and time to do it, no one can use analytics properly. That's why teams don't rely on them, it's not because they are old school, it's because they get results like Hunwick could replace Girardi.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 28 2015 5:23 am EST

How bad is it? Sather got close to what I expected for talbot. Reality a 28 year old backup who played great for a stretch who has one year on his contract. Sather got cocky and lost the best deals but I said that would happen. Sather has lost way more deals then he has won. From Gretz to yesterday he has lives off a legacy that was a lie and he didn't build. The hags deal was horrible and this team is weaker today then it was last week.

York18


Sun Jun 28 2015 1:41 am EST

I'm simply grateful the MSL remains w/us rumor was false.

LeoS


Sun Jun 28 2015 12:21 am EST

Dennis Bernstein..... Martin St. Louis next stop? Team exec "He's staying in the East. I think he signs Jarome Iginla type deal in Pittsburgh" ..... "Couple of more quick hits from a team exec: team that deals for Kevin Bieska will be disappointed "I think his best days are far gone".....League exec on Mike Ribeiro "great talent, legit top line player. Way too many red flags to deal with" .....On Michael Frolik "sleeper of free agent class, possibly best value. Could return to WPG or possibly go for the money to Toronto"

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 28 2015 12:05 am EST

VCP... NP, Water under the bridge. I'll give you my .02 cents and I'm the furthest thing from a Sather 'fan'. Did Sather screw the pooch this weekend? Totally. I know it will probably come out later that Gorton wanted to pull the trigger on some of the deals they were offered sooner but Sather wouldn't let him. His arrogance caused him to believe he could keep upping the ante. There were too many goalies out there to believe that none of them would blink first and do a deal before Talbot got traded to set the market. Well, guess what? That's exactly what happened. On the bright side, we still got a pretty good return for a guy who at 28 was one year away from UFA. His stats were based on a small sample size of only 36 games playing in front of a pretty strong defense. If we never heard guys like Dreger saying the NYR would hit a home run, I would have been very happy with the return we got today for Talbot. If you asked me a month ago, I might have even said it was wishful thinking based on past goalie deals. I wish we got more for Hagelin, but I really think the deal came down to him being moved when he was so we could pick Gropp. IMO, the NYR think he's the bomb-diggity. I think we did pretty well in the draft. I wouldn't have made all of the selections we did, but who ever agrees on draft picks? I really like Kovacs. He's the Super-bomb-diggity. I don't agree with Larry Brooks at all. I don't think we're anywhere near being a bubble team. Hagelin is really all we lost today and IMO what he brings to the table can be replaced..(Talbot doesn't even register when Hank's playing). So how could we possibly be so much worse like Brooks says? You're a drama queen Larry! Are we done yet? No, but I never expect everything to get done at the draft. IMO, We'll need to move one of our defensemen for a forward. Lindberg will be a big part of this team going forward and will replace some of what's being lost with Hagelin going to the Ducks. I don't know what to expect yet with Etem, but I'm hoping we get to keep Sheppard. I really like the guys moxie. As always, JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:08 pm EST

VCP a lot of us were venting earlier today. Then we remember we're Ranger fans and used to abuse - except Wild the eternal optimist :) - I know we have to do more..just not sure how we'll work it.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:00 pm EST

Well for what it's worth, I agree with you. Slats got worked by Chiarelli.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:43 pm EST

where else can we vent if not here

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:42 pm EST

JFC... The fact that Sather left Gorton to do the dirty work for him is why I was thinking that way. I think(hope) the kick in the teeth Slats took the last two days him realize that the game of hockey has passed him by and he needs to retire. Like I said, 'wishful thinking'.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:41 pm EST

Rhet0ric sorry you are correct I should not have reacted that way...I am just overwhelming disgusted cant recall when I have been so pissed at his asinine of a GM SHITHEAD ashhole

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:39 pm EST

Not yet I am too disgusted

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:38 pm EST

VCP... i was stupid for mistaking you as an adult and trying to have a conversation with you. My bad.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:34 pm EST

VCP, can you dial it back a notch? Thanks. Signed, The Wall.

Nick


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:32 pm EST

stevielegs so true Neil Smith destroyed Sahter on the messier deal...Sahter has sucked for 20 or 25 years now....DOLAN another fucking idiot who is telling him sahter is so wonderful

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:29 pm EST

Rhet0ric are you stupid my point was why was boyle even signed??? he was useless. no issue with yandle. DUMP NASH who the fuck needs him big pussy in playoffs should be ashamed of yourself. Although I will give him this he got his head rammed into the boards by boston I forget who did it......no one did anything....he had no protection... Okay I haven't been this pissed since ....maybe its time I dropped the knicks along time ago , dropped the Mets along time ago .....Maybe its time to stop wasting my time.

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:28 pm EST

The Gorton interview and the crap coming out just lead credence to what I said last night...The fossil Sather is in his own jurassic world..he has zero in common with the new GMs and more then likely they do not like interacting with the guy all that much anymore..Look, sather is plain and simple too damn old and slow to be a GM in today's game...It wouldn't surprise me at all if he botched the TALBOT trade and/or totally misread the market and which way the other GMs were thinking as time went on becasue he has so little in common with them......Anyway, the torch should have been passed long ago and especially before this weekend and then possibley the Rangers wouldn't have failed in two deals....As of today the Rangers, IMWO, are a weaker team in goal and up front then they were last year..Hopefully this can be reversed in the next few months..But I have little faith in Sather to accomplish that....Somebody else? Maybe...We shall see..

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 pm EST

Remember I could be said neil smith screwed him too. The guy needs to admit it's time to pass the torch and do it. Then take credit if they succeed and not the blame if not....that's his mo.... The buck stops in his bank account ....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 pm EST

OOPs forget hags and the chemistry this new Kid from ducks is nothing compared to hags he is a dumshit. Hags is excellent definesively...Oh I have an idea we can put Boyle (4.5 million) on the PK oh wait he sucks defensively oh and offensively tooo..interesting GLASS is worth his money are you fucking kidding me.....Watch zucc's play drop....I bet he does take less money if he knew hags gets traded Yes it is a business of course but really you sign boyle. I would take Rafael DIAZ, Hunwick over Boyle

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:23 pm EST

VCP..... Boyle's money is ear marked for re-signing Kreider, Yandle and Hayes. I like Hags a lot but you can't keep him with the money he is/will be making ...WILD.... In regard to Glass: I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Analytics show how truly flawed he is as a player. He has some of the worst stats in Hockey. The problem with Analytics is that most hockey fans are old school and only believe what their eyes tell them. Analytics causes you to not trust your eyes. That being said, it's more accurate than any army of scouts out there in the hockey-verse watching players. Every major sport uses them because they are so accurate. You can know everything you need to know about a player without ever seeing them in person. It's been a revolution ever since it was first applied in Baseball. Read the book or watch the movie Moneyball if you want a crash course.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:19 pm EST

Gorton fish looked not very comfortable with the media. Seemed to admit they didn't do too good today by saying they did the best the could . Hopefully he deals with the holes and sather goes fishing . If Veenknow doesn't improve the roster will be semi meaningless .he needs more passion grit blacknblue swagger . The blank slate needs to be filled in .... And passed it on to his team by leading them in a stronger direction. He needs to grow a pair and say they will win the cup next year.

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:18 pm EST

Sather gets fucked in the ass by Yzerman now Chirelli (oh yeah he did win a cup in Boston) Will the next GM please step up and fuck sather in the ass

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:17 pm EST

Clark must be getting tired of putting a positive spin on Sather's FUCKUPS

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:11 pm EST

...you could say, as one poster on another site said, "it appears Sather is rebuilding Edmonton again"

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:10 pm EST

I rarely say I told you so ... because I'm not right that often. But yes, in foresight and hindsight, I just knew Sather would be his arrogant dickish self and blow the Talbot deal all to hell. Almost unbelievable, but not really. What did we get, the 52nd pick? The other two don't mean crap. Ugly window dressing. Actually neither does the 52nd, barring some stroke of luck. Incredible.

Nick


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:08 pm EST

I may go the garden for 1 game bring a banner that reads FUCK YOU SATHER RETIRE GO BACK TO EDMONTON where you were lucky.......Will you had a high payroll for 10 years and you sucked...Where is neil smith at least he won 1 cup Gorton please take over. someone push sather in front of a car

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:01 pm EST

Rhet -- could also be that Sather didn't want to take the heat for not meeting expectations. Gorton also basically confirmed that all the rumors were based on reality....there was smoke because there was fire...thatnthey had multiple deals working, the action had peaks and valleys and in the end it just didn't work out. The one that kills me was when he referred to a team that went back on its word of what they had offered the Rangers for Talbot....that just means the other team went in another direction, most likely because they waited too long to get back to them. Gorton was not a happy camper.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:59 pm EST

If Sather would have hit a home run this weekend, he would have been available. he shat the bed, so he was not available.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:57 pm EST

Too bad Sather just didn't stay down in south Florida with all the other retirees.

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:54 pm EST

BTW, Jeff Gorton was available to the press today, not Sather. I could be mistaken but this seems to me to be the passing of the torch. I think it will happen quietly and without any fanfare. Maybe I'm just hoping :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:53 pm EST

WIOSA SHMUCK BOLYE was a free agent signing that we did not have to do not at that price

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 pm EST

Wild - your suggestion of trading Klein I agree with. When healthy we have one of the top D units, but if McIlrath is ready, Klein is likely out. If he is on the roster come opening night, then an in-season trade may be done for Skjei?

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 pm EST

ASSHOOLLEEE SATHER keep over paying for other team s players stupid shithead but don't pay your own players you fit in NY handle the media and the asinine questions, score 15+ goals do well in the playoffs score important goals or do we forget....SATHER SUCKS SATHER SUCKS SATHER SUCKS any other soft players that we can pickup from other team s and pay for why is tanner glass on this team? Boyle hey wow I just paid for hags salary I should be the GM. FUCKING ASSHOLEEEEEEEEE

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 pm EST

I will tell you something, though. As of right now I am not very excited about the upcoming season at all. No Duclair, No Buchnivich, no big return on Talbot, no Hags. More Nash, More Boyle, More Stepan loosing every faceoff to start the power play, more soft play, More McIlrath in the AHL. Prove me wrong Rangers.

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 pm EST

I did not realize how much I was going to miss Talbot until he was traded today. BTW, Chris Kreider is as big a goof as Zuc is. This is his goodbye message to Cam Talbot today. It will both make you sad and crack you up..... &#8207;@ChrisKreider...... . @ctalbot33 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWTaaS7LdU …

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 pm EST

VCP, Anaheim would not have accepted Boyle. It takes at least two teams for a deal,

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:46 pm EST

okay not finished yet. you overpay for NASH in salary, over pay for Boyle, Hags may not be a finisher, but he isnt soft by any means is good in playoffs (NASH Sucks but is getting better quote by AV Fucking JOKE) 7.5 or 8 million for this piece of soft shit big deal 40 goals in regular season PLAYOFFS is what counts... Should have taken action on Callahan sooner got SHIT for him too and have up a pick SATHER RETIRE YOU ARE FINISHED I am going to send a letter to MSG which will get thrown out of course.

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:46 pm EST

Gotta agree....Gordon's demeanor and his body language and his actual words indicate that the Rangers had better deals in the works and lost them. Even sounds like they went back to a team to agree on a deal and the other team misremembered what the Rangers were saying the deal was that they were offered and so,that one was lost too. Ya snooze, Ya lose. Yeah, Gotdon defintely was not happy over the return they got for Talbot, not at all.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:46 pm EST

I am still wondering why AV was so giddy at yesterdays draft. Did they have a great deal in the works and waited too long? Today feels like a kick in the gut. But at least it was not a kick in the balls like Bruins fans must be feeling. LOL. Although there is still plenty of time for Sather to truly F#@k things up!

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:39 pm EST

is lemon lou available I would take him any day over fucking sather. He had no money won 3 cups.....I keep HAGS over BOYLE the 39 year old any day of the week .complete asinine move getting him. there is haglins money BOYLE SUCKS YEP I am a bit disgusted. Sather don't you know when your finished step down you fucking dipshit

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 pm EST

Gorton in that video looks like he is trying like hell not to say what an idiot Sather is for overplaying his hand. He looked pretty down overall like us fans. Man they gotta promote him and retire Sather ASAP! Sather will never do it on his own, he needs to be shown te door.

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:35 pm EST

Gorton says it all on Talbot deal, Sather FUCKED UP it is that simple. His shoulders going up and down basically well what can I say we had a goalie who got us into the playoffs ( NY spotlight as well no PRESSURE) will be a number one and is only 27 or 28 and we could not do better than 3 shitty low draft picks SATHER GET THE FUCK OUT ....you can not hold lou lamirellos jock strap he said your self if I had smiths payroll you would win a cup every year. WELL ASSHOLE smith =1, fired, Sather 15 fuckin + years 0 cups and didn't make the playoffs for 7 years. Bobby holik, Lindros, gaborik, gomez, drury, lets pay NASH the big pussy 8 million that's OK, lets pay AV's Bitch Glass for 2 more years he must really blow you well and of course BOYLE 4.5 million yeah he is worth it .....SATHER sorry cup final = 00000000000000000000 FUCK YOU

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:28 pm EST

Stevie...here's a pic of him after he got to Anaheim today...http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5bcod4&s=8#.VY9baZjD-Hs

RF73


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:21 pm EST

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5bcoco&s=8#.VY9ZmlL3bCQ

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:15 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPlcU0khL6Q

RF73


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:52 pm EST

RF73 -- thanks for the memory....except I don't remember that plot at all, just the quote for some reason. I impressed myself by half-remembering it was the Little Rascals :)

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:50 pm EST

Isthmus, it must be our lucky day ....http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/jeff-gorton-after-nhl-draft

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:26 pm EST

This is going to be a long Summer.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:26 pm EST

Just so the record is straight....in the 1933 Little Rascals film titled The Kid from Borneo (1933)The kids' uncle George, whom they've never seen, is the black sheep of the family, and their father won't let him come visit. George is a promoter, and the kids mistake his Wild Man of Borneo for their uncle himself and bring him home. But the Wild Man has a sweet tooth, and his near-constant chant of "yum yum, eat'em up!" is predictably mistaken by the kids. Chaos ensues. Man from borneo lifts bed skirt (where some of the kids are hiding) and chants 'Yum yum eat em up'

RF73


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:20 pm EST

Read that article and tell me that Brooks couldn't have just cut and pasted most of it from The Wall!

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:18 pm EST

Larry's on the ledge! http://nypost.com/2015/06/27/rangers-disregard-of-needs-plunges-them-to-playoff-bubble/

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:59 pm EST

Correction: "yum, yum, eat 'em up!"....very important to get obscure quotes correct :^)

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:57 pm EST

Hospo -- yeah, I have no clue about the kid at all, just going by the couple of good reviews that were on here from Bob. Hell, I don't even know if his name is pronounced "eat 'em"....but if it is, I'm calling him Yum Yum in honor of some obscure memory of a cartoon or show where a guy was running around saying, "yum, yum, eat 'me up!"...Bowery Boys, Little Rascals? Dunno but it's gonna be Yum Yum....hopefull he plays well so will apply to the flavor of his performances.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:48 pm EST

Etem does hit, but rarely. He scores rarely. He has the ability.....good wheels, well built and strong with decent hands. Scored a beauty in the playoffs this year. He just hasn't done it anywhere near enough, which is why he spent most of the year in Norfolk. He is the perfect guy to be the new target of HOSPO. Someone who shows flashes of so much more but always leaves you wanting more. I do think a change in coaches might help him, as his ice time was very small under Bunson Honeydew. If he can establish some confidence and consistency, he might develop into a decent bottom 6 guy. I am not confident in this though because he has not done so yet.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:33 pm EST

JFC - Your Yum Yum Etem does not hit hard nor consisently..He floats too much and a bigger guy that likes to play a finessey game..Typical Ranger brings nothing new...Alot of this is why he was passed by by alot of other yo8ung players in Anaheim....I know BOB has a differrnet view point....I hope he's right ......To me the most interesting pick of the entire draft was the Islanders taking Andong Song to go with last year's pick of Hop Sing, Rabid Ranger's boy..Even going to Brooklyn, the Isles will never take New York but they might take Chinatown! Well, on second thought, if Sather keeps this crap up, maybe they do take New York in the not to distant future

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:07 pm EST

WIOSA: the Rangers were 3rd in the entire NHL for goals per game average. And had the best goal differential (I think it was the best) they don't need more scoring. Just constant scoring from each player. Instead of one guy like Kreider getting multiple goals in a stretch of 5 games than going 5 with none. As for Kreider, he went from .13 ppg, to .56 and last year .58, and he played better as the year went along and after not scoring for like all of December and barely before that ended up with 21 including 7 on the pp and 5 game winners. He has improved each season, and is taking steps to improve more this off season, and most importantly he is working with a sports psychologist and if that works his mental preparation should improve leading to more consistency

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:39 pm EST

NN thanks for the link,,,gonna check it out.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:39 pm EST

Seriously kreider is absolutely top player and particularly in playoffs already at 24!! He skates scores hits and is excellent passer. He's only getting better and has the work ethic to continue to grow, as will some of the other.young guys like miller and Hayes.

jim9k26


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:31 pm EST

WIOSA: Krieder is only 24, he can still develop. Actually I want all our centers except Moore to go to face-off school this summer. Here is the UFA list for wingers (you can filter by position). http://capfriendly.com/?p=fa-search&salaryMinMax=%24500%2C000+-+%2414%2C000%2C000&faType=UFA&teamID=0&pos=lw&pos=rw&year=2015

DOUBLEN


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:23 pm EST

NN, that should have said "of breathing easy'. No didn't see the list, lousy? Oh lord. I truly don't want Kessel or that headcase Thornton...although I doubt we could afford either. Sometimes it's nice to be broke. Would be nice if Kreider had turned into that power forward we need so badly. Oh well.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:20 pm EST

NN, didn't realize that, good, hope he's good. Although we are pretty good with goalies. As my last post said, yes JFC is right (as are you) the summer just started. I was disappointed today that we didn't turn our disadvantages to advantages. I hoped Sather could do more. That said, Im not on a cliff....but concerned. Would love the luxury or breathing easy.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:17 pm EST

WIOSA:One more thing..have you seen the UFA list..blech.

DOUBLEN


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:17 pm EST

Vic lol.......Wild, Ill give you Miller, Fast and Hayes will get better. I have no clue on Etem. Kreider I doubt, truly..Brassard is already good, ditto for Stepan and Zucc. .Im pleased with our D, I have no issues with any of them...even Boyle. We were a very solid team last year, no complaints. But you know the Isles will be better and so will the Habs and CBJ. I worry the most about the Isles. That was a really strong team last year, no playoff experience hurt them. I do not say we have an old team...but our window of opportunity is open now, NOW fully open for two years now and we are on the clock. We all know we need more scoring. We need another threat to help Nash. I don't think we have the assets for a trade for such, the threat in our system already (it should've been Kreider) or the cap money to sign the UFA to do that. But....as JFC said, the summer just started, we have to have some hope.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:14 pm EST

WIOSA: They did get a back up for Hank. They traded for Raanta from Chicago and his cap hit is about 1/2 of what Talbot's was. Like JFC said..it's only June 26th, Rome wasn;t built in a day.

DOUBLEN


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:04 pm EST

WIOSA: Kreider has a consistency issue...I don't think it's a want thing...and sorry. But the Rangers top players are just as young and still improving: McD is entering his prime, Kreider will get better, Step will be better, Brass is entering his prime and may get better, Fast Miller Hayes they have Skjei and McIlrath on the way, Buchnevich and Tambalini as well. Zucc will be just as good and perhaps a bit better...it's not like the Rangers are some old team fully developed and will not get better. Not to mention Yandle will be better this year than he was last just due to comfort within the system. He'll even Boyle may be a bit better in his second year vs his first. But definitely the kids are still growing and improving. Oh and Etem is what 23... He still has development to experience.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:01 pm EST

I think Kessell will end up in Pittsburgh or LA. Absolutely not worried about him coming to NY.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:57 pm EST

WIOSA: Exactly. I hate the guy too and would loathe to see him in a ranger uniform. That is why I know he is coming here.....

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:47 pm EST

Vic, omg, please don't even THINK that. What a locker room poison that guy is.....JFC agree the summer is just starting and we are a way off from camp, but I am looking at the cap, we both know not enough was cleared to sign a back up for Hank, or to sign our players AND a UFA who can put us over the top. Just holding my breath again....Wild I don't like Kreiders style, he plays when he wants to, he turns it on when he feels like it, he takes stupid penalties that cost. Nowhere did I say or should I have said (If I did, apologies) the Pens, Flyers, or Bruins improved. The Isles are improving by the week, they are young, strong, and coming on strong..they will only get better, that was a rebuild, and their window is opening not closing. The CBJ are also improving, younger players are gelling. We needed to get better to make sure we beat them. Best case scenario - even talents Etem/Hags we stayed status quo. With no trading assets to speak of. And NO, Vics proposal doesn't count.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:44 pm EST

Bob: Exactly. King is better than a 4th liner. And they like Clifford there I think. With Lucic at RW they can afford to trade from that strength...and the Rangers can afford to deal from their strength on D. Seem like a win win to me.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:35 pm EST

OK. I'm going to make the prediction right now. STEPAN will be dealt for KESSEL with TORONTO eating $3 Million in Cap space. After what SATHER did today I can see this coming next.......

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:28 pm EST

WILD--I would do that in a heartbeat. King or Nolan are the exact kind of player we need. LA has the ability now that they have Lucic. King, Nolan or pearson would fit the bill.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:22 pm EST

Would anyone entertain trying to trade Klein (keep in mind I was ecstatic when the Rangers aquired him) for King from LA? The Rangers strongest position is D, and they need a LW, and King is big even if he doesn't always play that big all the time. I know some will say "no Boyle" or Staal or Giradi...but they probably don't want to go...so they will just say not to a deal...so using a more realistic option is Klein. It would also work cap wise....at least at first glance anyway.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:05 pm EST

WIOSA -- I agree with what you're saying but remember what I said about our defense and goaltending....and remember that it's still only June. I think Sather did not do well this weekend I terms of the here and now, but I don't think he is done by a long shot. However, if we go into training camp with this same lineup, THEN I will grow very, very concerned. I want to see Wrath on the team, even if it's as a 6-7 defenseman, I want to see another forward brought in for more grit. Imthink our D is strong enough to handle losing Klein if we need to get cap space. I'm even willing to deal,with growing pains if Wrath struggles a bit for a few months....as long as he gets up to speed for the POs. I don't care about Presidents Trophies, I want the Cup.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:04 pm EST

Wild- Big risk for the cap being somewhat stagnant again next year, if we have cap space keep it until the deadline or a home run option becomes available. Look at what Bos had to do with Dougie Hamilton.

Ola


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:52 pm EST

WIOSA: curious what you don't like about Kreider. Also. They were the best in the entire NHL last year, it amounted to no cup. Also. The Bruins are not better, what did the Islanders do? The Pens? How bout the Flyers? CBus hasn't done anything. Where is all this other team improvement and so much that it will knock the Rangers down so far?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:45 pm EST

We replenished some draft picks and traded CARL HAGELIN, not the second coming.. Jesper Fast is more skilled and a lot cheaper. Step away from the ledge!!

kitchen1


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:39 pm EST

JFC, should've said Cam and Carl, but you know that

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:38 pm EST

JFC not on the ledge, the first half hour I was, but no longer. That said, again it is NOT THE LOSS OF CAM AND TALBOT, it is the loss of anything solid coming back. We needed to improve, we did not. We improved fiscally - nice, but Im a fan, I want to win. I can guarantee you that the Rangers - as one friend said to me - do not play in a vacuum, they play in a divisin conference, and there are at least three teams in that area that are not going back to bat the same team they were this spring. We needed to get better. We didn't, it was, IMHO an opportunity lost.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:38 pm EST

If "Yum Yum" Etem hits hard and hits consistently, then he will bring an ingredient that this team needs and could be evidence that the Rangers brass agrees with The Wall that we're not built tough enough for PO hockey. And since Yum Yum is not going to be enough to address that by himself, it also tells me that Sather is not finished with the grit injection and more deals are on the way.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:30 pm EST

gene_carr...Av was slow to make changes? He shuffled faster than a blackjack dealer. I don't understand that. We need scoring...we need someone to be a second threat to get the pressure off Nash. We need somebody to win Face Offs. I do believe Yandle will be better, he was getting better when we fell. Miller? Hoperully. MSL is addition by subtraction - on the ice - Kreider Im biased against, don't like that player. Zuuc being Zuuc will be good. Hayes keeps getting better Stepan hopefully returns to form. Kline too, Staal should, he was injured, I don't think it's going to be Mcilrath I think it's going to be Skje something (cant spell it). Let's hope Etem gives us more than he gave the Ducks, the Ducks were not a poorly coached team.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:28 pm EST

Bob: with more than one GM (anonymous of course) saying they would have gone max-max for Lundqvist, and with all the guesses from media of a 9.75 to 10 per deal I don't think you can say they overpaid. Guardian is one of 7 D at exactly 5.5 per...there are 19 other D who make more (McD isn't one) and there are only a couple teams who wouldn't take him on the top two...even less outside the top 3, so I can't think of any GM would say his price is too high at 5.5. Staal is another everyone thought would be far north of 6 closer to 7 and again what GM would say 5.7 is too much? Those guys are not the issue...they are not overpaid. For crying out loud Ryan Oreilly is looking for 8 mil per....yeah he told the AVS 8 per....

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:26 pm EST

Oh, and forgot to add....IT'S ONLY JUNE 26th!!!

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:23 pm EST

Ok ladies and gentleman, some of you really have to step away from the ledge....JEEZUS H! Yeah, today was a disappointment for the here and now but OUR CORE IS STILL ELITE!! Defense and goaltending are the most important parts of a winning hockey team and we are ELITE in those areas. We are no slouches in the offensive end either....we just need to change up mix....less finesse, more duress (for the opposition). WE WERE #1 IN GOAL DIFFERENTIAL THIS YEAR! We were near the top of the league in goals scored and that had very little to do with Carl Hagelin. Why does everything have to be so devastating and dramatic? THINK, don't just feel! This public service announcement brought to you by RSH (Rangers Suicide Hotline)

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:16 pm EST

Henrik, Girardi, Staal, all let run to close deadlines resulting in overpayment. All could have been proactively extended at a lower price, as many other clubs have done. Yeah, this is hindsight but still is the fact. Emerson Etem has been passed by repeatedly by younger players here in Anaheim. He is nothing special. he is bigger than Hags and can play physically. But there is little proof of his ever being a top 6 player. he has spent most of his career in Norfolk. If we dealt with the ducks, Kyle Palmieri, who went to NJ would have been a better choice.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:10 pm EST

@MGorton_9: Robin Kovacs (NYR, 3rd round, 62) had the most goals (17) by a junior in Allsvenskan. Filip Forsberg won that award in 2013 with 15 goals

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:09 pm EST

I believe Sather has lived off the credit card and it is catching up. A more cohesive long term development strategy could have been implemented and we could have possibly been in a position more akin to Chicago. But, we do not have a Bowman at the helm. That said, this team is not significantly worse than last years model. More should be expected from Kreider, Fast, Hayes and Miller. A full year of Yandle in the 4 spot will be an improvement. I think a Mclrath insertion makes everyone a bit grittier and my gut tells me Oscar will be a nice plus. Etem is a player whose development was blocked and could improve, worse case he adds size and more scoring potential. I think Kline is still in play and who knows for what. All told barring injuries to key players the team will be at least as good as last year. The key need for improvement is clearly in the coaching area.. AV is ridged and slow to make adjustments. Let's hope he reviews his body of work and looks to improve.

gene_carr


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:07 pm EST

Stevie: yeah in hindsight a longer deal a couple years back would have been great...but really, I don't think anyone foresaw him developing so well....2 years ago if they signed him 3 years or 4 years I imagine the response here wouldn't have been so great because it would have cost more against the cap. But yeah...knowing what we know it would have been nice to have him at let's say 800K for another year.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 4:01 pm EST

in hindsight if Sather had foresight he probably could have signed Talbot to a longer contract a couple of years ago...then he'd have something to get a top pick for......that's really what a big part of his job is.....his history here with contracts and retaining players leaves 'some' 'lots' to be desired......he misses his 80 mil payroll that would be about $150 mil by now if no cap......

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:59 pm EST

WIOSA: I said it earlier. On paper no. And as I just posted we need a LW now...bad. But the game isn't played on paper and the summer isn't over yet. So it's to early to tell if the Rangers will be a better team when it counts. As for the Talbot return. Well I can tell you from what I have read, BUF was kicking the tires on Talbot if they couldn't get Lehner, Lehner was their target and they overpaid. Big time. But they would not have gone after Talbot unless Lehner went someplace else, and I'm sure when other GMs were given a chance to match they declined with that price. So BUF wasn't a real option...

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:54 pm EST

all sather has had to do here is win the cup here ...regardless of picks, pipeline, cap, trades, etc.....but he hasn't and I'm not confident he ever will....same with veenknow, ...they are both good , but have not been good enough.....sure wish they could prove wild right...lol....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:53 pm EST

I think what the media and to another extent the fans worked themselves into a frenzy very quickly on this whole Talbot thing. But from my perspective the New York Rangers ended up parting today with Talbot, Haggerty, and Hagelin. Hagelin was too expensive in all likelihood for the current New York Rangers cap situation so he was gonna have to come off one way or another. Talbot needed to be moved because... So they ended up with a player in Etem that I think fits the NYR M/O (a player I like and fits right into that mold of a fast skating, big body.) a bunch of picks to replace the fact that they've basically been by-standing on the draft despite needing depth badly. And signed a guy who went 7-4 in the pipes from Chicago. A guy that admittedly I knew little about except what a friend told me and that was that he is a capable backup who could hold the line. So, did the New York Rangers make a killing? Nope. Did they get Yakupov or some of the other hysterical suggestions? Nope. Did Florida offer a serious roster player for Talbot? Never know... But I walked away from this weekend feeling pretty okay about what transpired. It wasn't earthshaking nor did I think it would be. They took care of some housecleaning and managed to get a kid with some upside who will most likely be dressing opening night and a serviceable, competent and inexpensive backup for Lundqvist. The rest of the gloom and doom? Why do people think that the New York Rangers have to make the move for the next great thing??? I'm glad that Sather is showing the patience not to react hasty and make sure that he has the cap to get Stepan under wraps for the long term. It's his 70-points you wouldn't be able to replace. And there will be space to add something else. Not a sexy day at the office but a typical Wednesday. Ho-hum. I think some New York Rangers fans are also going to be pissed that the New York Rangers will be fairly idle during the UFA period. But I'll take boring summers if it means I have good Mays.

E


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:51 pm EST

Wild, are we better? Not being sarcastic here, I am genuinely asking you ..in your honest opinion, are we a better team? We needed to get better. We were good enough to win the cup this year, a few injuries and bounces and we were out...next year, we have to beat an improved Isles, Caps, Bolts and CBJ to get to the finals. That is why we needed a top 6 forward, preferably a power forward good on face offs. We had talent to trade...was it good enough? I don't know, but I don't think we came anywhere near improving. I don't think we got better, I think we took a step back. Sather needed to do better. That's what good GM's do. Take advantage of their situation. When this draft week started, we had a valuable property in a 27 year old Cam. Don't tell me how he was acquired, Hank was signed in the gazillionth round. He was a tried and true goalie, better than Lehner. Sather needed Buffalo to take him, he didn't. Nor the Stars or the Panthers..I just don't think he did a good job this week. May be wrong,,,be nice if I was, Lots like Etem, the Ducks didn't...just hoping for the best, but don't begrudge us the right to be upset.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:50 pm EST

Stevie. That trade is so complex. Pro get only earns 575K with a 4.9 cap. The flyers retain 500K of grossmebs salary. And Gagner has a chunk being paid by TBL. I don't think I have seen a trade with so much salary info. Oh and a conditional pick is involved as well.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:49 pm EST

Bob: really we don't know what offers if any were better. Florida says theirs was better...but was it really? We don't know. He just said it was a lot. Every rumor was an unnamed team offered x-y-z. I mused a bit ago that it was the Rangers leaking that hoping to drive up the price. Other than Lehner (BUF overlays on every trade it seems) Talbot I think got the largest return...so did Sather really do poorly? I said mediocre, but maybe I'm wrong as well. Maybe the offers were actually worse....as for the cap management I don't fully agree it has been poor. He has managed to sign players for less than market value over and over again. That's good cap management. Like it or not.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:46 pm EST

Also allows PHI some off-season flexibility. Pronger counts against their cap in the summer. Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 42m Kevin Allen &#10004; @ByKevinAllen Pronger's contract and Grossman traded from Philadelphia to Arizona for Sam Gagner a conditional draft pick.

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:45 pm EST

Stevie: as you say there are wholes to fill. A LW for sure and perhaps a RW. Course this sort of depends on a few things. Do they want Nash on LW or RW? Do they think it matters all that much. If not it allows them to get the best F they can and plug Nash in. Hayes, do they want him at center (I think they do) or wing, R or L if they do. If they want Nash on RW they would have Nash, Zucc,Miller, Fast and Etem. But that leaves LW in even worse shape unless Miller moves over there (but I think he likes RW and they like him there) LW with Nash than has Kreider Glass and R. Bourque. Clearly LW needs to be a target of a trade or UFA. Does Fast play LW at all, can't remember if he ever did...and is Hayes a RW type of a LW type when not at center.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:44 pm EST

This day goes right along with how the playoffs went, a significant underachievement. The team is not good enough to win the cup, and is worse today than it was when the playoffs ended. the first 2 rounds were far more difficult than they should have been, and in fact the Rangers were lucky to get past Washington. The cap management sins of the Sather administration came home to roost, as well as the barren organizational depth resulting in the loss of a useful player. Glen Sather is far smarter than everyone else in hockey, just ask him. His practice of waiting to sign players he wishes to keep until the last minute instead of proactively signing them to longer, less expensive deals earlier results in overpayment. This in part results in the cap issues the club has. His playing fast and loose with draft picks while failing to win also has harmed the franchise. And these past 2 days, his arrogant approach resulted in a weak return for a very valuable trade piece, Cam Talbot. In fact, since the McDonagh trade, Sather has mostly been worked over by younger, smarter GM's. The end result is the likelihood that Ranger fans will look back on this era the way we look back at the 70's. Good teams, lots of playoff games, zero championships. And championships are what this is about.The game has passed this man by long ago. So we went on a magical run to the finals only to have the clock strike 12 after Pittsburgh choked up 3-1. Otherwise, nothing to see here.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:27 pm EST

the execution falls on the players, and more so on the coach....that's almost worse than Sather not retiring...pick your poison......there's not a 'lot'....gorton Groton whatever your name is, next time try ...they still have 'some' wholes to fill.....cya.....hole...

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:24 pm EST

for the record I stick up for Sather a lot on this wall and in fact those who want Gorton in place, The team philosophy will remain intact and I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing we just have some cap Trouble to deal with

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:21 pm EST

Wild - scroll down to my posts and please cite where I said "Sather sucks". For some reason you're just picking a fight with me because I wrote the heartfelt post that I don't have a lot of confidence in this team and for some reason that bothers you, I don't know why but it does . Why I am not entitled to my opinion or my feelings towards this team is beyond me and from the looks of it some agree with me. I have been a true fan of this team since 1980 and I am not questioning that you're not a fan but for you to attack people who are disappointed today. This I don't understand. I thought my post below was done so without attacking anyone Just my feelings on the current state of the team

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:21 pm EST

if the nyr got a 'lot' of bounces they'd have 2 or more cups over the last 6....but they didn't!.....so now they have not a ' lot' of holes.....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:17 pm EST

Drew: again each year there are 3-4 teams that are all good enough to win the cup. If the Hawks haven't that would mean their GM sucks? If the players had made a mistake or two more. That's the entire point. A GM only has so much he can do. This Rangers team was good enough to win the last couple years, no one would be able to argue that. Execution wasn't there, if it was they would have the cup, a GM can't now they will or won't. Anyway....this team is good and will be for a few more years.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:14 pm EST

And this may be shocking. But I hope Sather finally retires...at least stepping aside as GM. Although I really believe the people around him do the bulk of the work it's his final say on stuff. Would be good to get a change. At the same time I will not rip him just because. But he has run his course. He does still have friends in the NHL and a good amount of respect, so him still in the presidents office would be an asset, he could talk with the few old timers still around and the friends he still has when needed and let a new GM deal with the rest.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:12 pm EST

Wild - you're messing with me now? No kidding on the 3 cups? That makes their situation entirely different.

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:04 pm EST

Someone on Twitter made a good point. Its not just the Hags move we need to grade Sather on, if winning is the goal we also need to look at what he does with the cap space created. If he can keep a bunch of it after the other RFAs sign and gets a player who will make the 3rd or 4th line better that's is part of the deal. Still lots of work to do before his offseason grade is finalized

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:04 pm EST

drew I know nyr fans who come to read here, and say similar things.....and I get what they are saying....but not thinking it's time for Sather to go is like Chicago fans wishing old man wirtz was back....no televised games because he wanted them at the game.....pure genius......

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:01 pm EST

Drew: yeah no crap they have 3 cups...you do realize in two of those years one bounce and they don't make the finals probably. It's a game of inches....and I'm not taking anything away from the Hawks. But you can't use something as a reason one team WILL fail and say that same thing means nothing in regards to another team.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 3:00 pm EST

Wild - what about the 3 Blackhawks cups?

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:59 pm EST

DREW: so the Hawks in cap hell is ok...and they can still win but the rangers have less cap hell and it's why they can't. Right. Also my wording is wrong...they see what I'm looking at and laugh. I don't go running to show them or something. Poor wording on my part. The point stands though. They think some of you wall crawlers and other fan elsewhere are crazy and over the top negative

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:57 pm EST

Wild Chicago has 3 cups by the way

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:56 pm EST

RF4L: I said if the players wanted to stay and took the deals that way and the Rangers wanted to keep everything together.....I amended that to say they needed to move a little cap hit to get them under....but there was a good chance they did all that.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:56 pm EST

Wild Chicago invested their $$$ in different areas and no offense but this line " I don't live around Rangers fans, but they laugh at you guys when I show them your posts." Please say you don't really do that. You don't have anything better to do with your time?

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:54 pm EST

RF4L: that list of prospects usually comes out pretty quick. Did they draft any NCAA players? I know the last pick was a USHL player. Only wondering because it's hard for them (NCAA guys) to do anything due to the archaic rules for NCAA sports eligibility.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:54 pm EST

is mediocre like tepid?...is a lot more or less than a few or a couple?.....a cat has 9 lives...what is Sather a lot of cats?.....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:51 pm EST

Yet you insisted over and over and over that the Rangers have no cap issues and all would be resigned.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:50 pm EST

I get WHY they moved him...and why he didn't get his max value, if he was signed already he would have gotten more, and if he was signed for 2-3 years he would have landed a first I think. Just a bit ago (was it Gorton or Clark) they said they liked Etem from his draft year and up till now. I don't know if he is worth Hags even with the pick...they think so, and so far the Rangers scouts and player development people have been sound. A couple times this wall has been puzzled at a pickup only to be surprised. It better be that way with this trade Etem better show up, or it will go down as a terrible trade IMHO. Would rather they got a signed 3rd line player who cost 1.5-2 mil who has a track record over a potential top 6 guy. Hopefully however the change dose the kid well and he clicks with a centre and AVs system and we have a new scoring threat off the wing who replaces MSLs production and then some. Again. I like to wait and see, but early on I'm underwhelmed...feel mediocre just like the Talbot trade.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:46 pm EST

Looking ahead, I wonder which of Ranger selections will be the prospect camp next week....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:44 pm EST

Drew. You want them to win the cup. Me too! But what makes you think they can't? Cap constraints? So Chicago is done winning cups? the bulk of the team will be back, and the kids a year older, that's normally a sign of good things. They are one of the younger NHL teams 28.8 years old I think it was, can't remember if that was with MSL or not. But they just got younger with Hags and Talbot "replaced" with younger guys. The next two years is vital. After that the older of the group will start to show it more, it's up to the current and future brass to keep the young guys coming in. But I think we will be in the cup conversation easily the next two season at least, barring major injuries of course.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:43 pm EST

Wild: I assume you`re not going to explain the Rangers Hags move...you`re too busy stroking Sather and slagging those on here aren`t his fans.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:39 pm EST

And I still love the Sather totally sucks is terrible and does nothing right, and put right with talking about two ECF and a SCF in 4 years. I don't live around Rangers fans, but they laugh at you guys when I show them your posts. They can't believe that you consider yourselves knowledgeable hockey fans. There are a few of you who work really really hard at hating Sather, to the point of overlooking all the good just to concentrate on the bad. I also love the "no cup" excuse. Well yeah. That sucks, but a GM can only do so much. Did he assign the injuries this year? Did he force Zuccs head in front of that puck? Of course not. The other teams get paid as well and want to win. There are 3-4 teams every year that can win the cup...you need to be good enough to be in the mix. I guess you would rather be a Preds fan...people always go in and on about the great job the GM has done there and how great their players are....but wait. No cups. That seems to be overlooked.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:38 pm EST

Wild make that NOT trying to win or make you concede.

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:37 pm EST

Wildcard you don't get it my friend I'm trying to win the argument or make you concede. You don't think I want to be excited about this team ? When the Rangers acquired Mark Messier in 1991 that was exciting for me. That tree in my heart of hearts felt like it would put us over the top. This team is currently constructed with The salary constraints with the cap do not give me confidence. I don't want to WIN or lose an arbitrary argument I want the Rangers to WIN a Stanley Cup.

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:32 pm EST

Ok DREW. You win. A ECF team. Remove a failing MSL and Hags along with a backup goalie and they become mediocre. So it was those 3 that made the Rangers a top team in the NHL....ok. Sorry if I completely disagree. And don't forget people said the same things about the Red Wings right before they rattled off two cups in a row.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:31 pm EST

Drew very well and politely said.....it is sobering....must be time to have shots......they came close but no cigar for the chomper....please Sather go with msl. leave nyr fans to someone else....more than enough already..........

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:29 pm EST

Stevie. Guess what. Ifs exist in all of life. ESPECIALLY sports. They are a constant. There are always ifs about young players. There are Ifs about the latest first overal pick. Not as many but they are there. A GM plays the if game every time he makes a move. You clearly are living in a fantasy land of definites. You can't just say "they are not as good and if he does nothing else they will be worse than last season". That's total and complete guessing. You have zero clue. Your using "ifs" as well. Your saying IF the players all play the same and IF the young players don't get better than they will be worse. It's not set in stone. So don't act like me saying let's wait and see how it turns out is saying Sather did good. I don't know yet.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:27 pm EST

wild Sather doesn't need any help in destruction...he's a pro...no cup, screw him...end of story....he's a has been....I know all about the last few years, but I don't like him pulling my pud.....maybe you do.....there is no more rope...let him get lost already and hang with his wife.....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:25 pm EST

Today was just a very sobering is as a Ranger fan. The last four seasons have been great. I credit Sather and Gorton for getting the team to those games in May and June. The Marty St. Louis trade would've been an undisputed success had they won the Stanley Cup seen holds true for Yandle. And to a lesser extent the Clowe trade (although Boston was clearly a much better team that series). We are essentially now paying for those near misses and truth be told I don't see how this team can return to a third Eastern conference final let alone contend for the cup. I would love to envision another memorial day weekend and early June 2016 with Rangers hockey. It's why I wanted to win the cup so bad this year because I thought in my heart, win or lose this team was going to start to have to make decisions based on the the salary cap. And as much as everyone is frustrated with Glen Sather, Gorton is only going to be more of the scene. Whether that is a good or a bad thing time will tell. But in my heart of hearts I feel like we are back to the era pre-Messier 91. A mediocre team with some good players, nothing great. A very good goalie which historically the Rangers have iced since the mid-80s (Dunham being the likely exception). We will get to see some good players but eventually trade them off . Except it won't be Ridley and Miller for Bobby Carpenter or Carpenter for Marcel Dionne. We will have to make trades as we did this morning with Hagelin. It really saddens me as you were so close and I don't think this roster can be tweaked I think the Rangers have too much Money invested in the goalie regardless of how great he is. I think Rick Nash although a great regular-season occupies too much space as well. And those guys are here for longer-term so days like today are necessary and we will likely sit out any activity July 1. Maybe we make the playoffs as a six or seven seed but I just don't see how this team can be considered elite. Wildcard I am sure you disagree which I respect but as positive as you are in as much faith as you have in Glen Sather, I respectfully disagree and think we are entering an era of mediocrity not complete failure but mediocrity. The 2008-09 Ranger team is what comes to mind.

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:25 pm EST

Nick: I almost wonder if the Rangers were the ones leaking the "high second rounder and good prospect" and "first rounder on the table" stuff to try and make a GM panic and overpay. I really thought the rumors were going crazy.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:23 pm EST

back to ifs.....if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas .....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:23 pm EST

Stevie: yes. Plenty wrong. But you don't know any better than me if what they did today was wrong. Again. We have too see how it pans out. I just posted a while back I thought the talbot return was mediocre...I'm sorry I don't believe in finding every chance to destroy Sather even before we know the full outcome of the summer.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:21 pm EST

Couple errors on my part. Rasnta earns 800. Cap of 750K. Also looks like 14 not games last season according to Twitter.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:21 pm EST

WILD is there anything sather or veenknow have done wrong? I get loyal fan but you go way beyond that......maybe they should trade bazookerella to join his best friend hagelin ?.....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:19 pm EST

Antti Raanta, Uncle Raanta ... what's the dif? The Greatest Goalie on the Planet will play 65-70 games barring injury, and if he gets hurt we'll still make the POs anyway, for another year or two. Then barring any screened backhanders, we might challenge for the Cup. As for Hags ... I liked him but he can't score. Etem has possibilities and is bigger and younger. Also pretty fast. That was a cap move anyway to sign Stepan, most likely. The Talbot thing is the real downer. For all the talk -- and again, it might all have been bullshit -- you gotta get at least a player in there.

Nick


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:19 pm EST

Wasn't Haggerty making decent $? Another move to free up some cashe?

pa.rangersfan


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:19 pm EST

JFC: where they are now? Who gives a rats behind! It's summer. Sure on paper they are not as good as what...5 hours ago, but on paper plenty of great teams never show up when it counts. So yeah, not as good on paper. So as I said what this team really is depends on how the young guys evolve going into the season. Like I said lots of ifs, but that's the challenge of a GM, balance the ifs, so we get these kids to each take a little step and it will be ok and yeah. I love Hags as a player, and he will be missed. But we don't know what this new mix will do, hopefully it works better as a whole even when missing a part like Hags.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:15 pm EST

Andrew Gross &#8207;@AGrossRecord · 20s20 seconds ago Little bit surprised Rangers moved F Ryan Haggerty. Stamford, Conn. product out of RPI. Had 15 goals, 18 assists for Hartford last season

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:14 pm EST

Well he is a UFA after this season....so he may be short term.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:13 pm EST

If, if, if, if.....?,?,?,?....at least admit THAT is where we are at as a team and you won't get so much flack (fair or not) for seeming to be someone who is looking to defend Sather at every turn. And you seem to be forgetting that this is not just about making little baby steps in a vacuum....other teams exist too and we need to COMPETE WITH THEM. If they get much better and we stay the same or if, if, if, ?,?,?....then we are going to be a less effective team. Sather has A LOT of work to do before September.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:13 pm EST

Raanta: also he is 26, according to some stuff he has starter capability. Guess there will be another trade of a goalie when a Rangers prospect is ready.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:11 pm EST

For Haggerty. Raanta has an 800K cap hit. Decent numbers in every league he has played. .936 save% in 20 games for the Hawks last year. Don't know enough about Haggerty to know if this was ok. But Hahgerty was a college UFA right?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:09 pm EST

@reporterchris: The #NYR have acquired Antti Raanta from Chicago.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:06 pm EST

Really what this is....about being better or not, fully depends on Fast, Miller, Kreider, Hayes and perhaps Lindberg. They don't all need to take big steps, but each must take a step. If they do the loss of Hags will be felt less. Even Etem, if he can find another step to take and be better than he has it will be a great big help. If they don't the team is worse...if they do the team will be more balanced and likely better. Lots of ifs right now and we still don't know about other trades or signings. Will be a good 2 weeks before we have a better idea of what the team will look like in camp.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 2:00 pm EST

Of course they aren't as good. They lost a prime backup and starting top 9 forward.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:59 pm EST

@GeorgeRichards When asked what the #FlaPanthers offered for Cam Talbot, Dale Tallon spit “a lot. A whole lot.” Sounds like he thought Panthers had it. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/06/27/talbot-hagelin-traded-on-day-2-of-nhl-draft/#sthash.umMUJIXD.dpuf....guess LOT is today's keyword but it can't replace LOL......THERE LOTS OF THAT.....AND SOME TEARS AND FEARS....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:49 pm EST

Make that "pud" LOL

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:48 pm EST

Brooks: "....the Blueshirts don't appear to be as strong today as they were before the weekend." It's not appearance Larry, it's fact. That is my main objection right now and please don't try to conjecture that Etem is just as good as Hagelin and there isn't a drop off in this trade. Sather has another 2 months to try and make this team better. He's gotten a feel for his pus.....nah, just kidding....he's gotten a feel for what the other GMs are willing to make available (ex: J.Hayes) and if he is really interested, he can try and figure out how to work out a deal to get what he wants. But the bottom line is that he's going to,have to work even harder now because we need to get even with where we were and THEN try to get better.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:46 pm EST

New York Rangers &#10004; @NYRangers "He's an explosive skater and has a history of scoring..he's a guy we've liked going back to his draft"-Jeff Gorton on new #NYR

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:45 pm EST

Wild - Buchnevich is in the KHL, Duclair plays for the Coyotes and there are no guarantees with Tamballini. I was disappointed yesterday when I said we'd go into 2015-16 with the same roster. We have downgraded significantly. I'll wait until training camp but I'm not as excited for this season as I was in the past.

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:42 pm EST

wild he doesn't think there are a lot....define lot...more than a couple, a few? ...less than 5?.....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:41 pm EST

wild any of them in the nhl right now?.....when they are starters please let me know.....right now they are NOT!.....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:37 pm EST

Ola: well stated. The one kid lead his SEL-2 team in scoring. Any time a teenager leads a team in scoring it's a good thing.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:35 pm EST

Stevie. So Buchnevich is an AHL filler? Or Tambalini and Duclaire?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:35 pm EST

Re our first 3-4 picks, these kids are players with potential. Players, not kids. That sticks out. The Finnish kid has been a pro for many years already, and Kovac played most of last season in a men's league. Our first 2nd rounder sounds like a very well rounded player. I like this. Not always, but often there's something wrong with picks that never are close to a national junior team etc. the Swede and Finn will play for sure in the WJC (I think Kovac is a lock, no guarantees though, the Finn played last year and must be a lock).

Ola


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:34 pm EST

I was watching some highlights of Emerson Etem and see he wore #26 in the WHL. That number should be available this year, right?

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:33 pm EST

what picks they got today are going to pan out?. Getting a good pick vs picks is why I don't want picks ..ahl restocking day .. the holes are in Sather's head and fruit of the looms.....the asst gm needs to stfu instead of that quote....just go kiss the ring and play nice......maybe you'll be gm someday sonny if you keep kissing up.....welcome to Sather's world......

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:30 pm EST

Good getting extra picks. They were needed. Should have been some higher o es given what was traded away IMO.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:25 pm EST

In 2013 the Rangers picked Tambalini, Buchnevich and Duclair at 65,75 and 80. This year they had picks 62,79,89. Don't discount those picks. They also had 41 of course, but if the scouts did their homework well again they may end up with a good class. Who knows of course. But they have done well with those 3rd rounders of late.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:25 pm EST

rumor?...."ORR!! What Is It Good For!!?? on June 27, 2015 2:08 pm NYR getting Khudobin from the Quacks. I called it hours ago - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/06/27/talbot-hagelin-traded-on-day-2-of-nhl-draft/#sthash.n7oloD8Q.QcMUrvXM.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:21 pm EST

Stevie. What do expect him to say? Lol

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:20 pm EST

I have one issue with the "Sather overplayed his hand" thing. I would easily agree if the other teams searching for a goalie had gotten one....but they didn't. I can't imagine one of them couldn't have topped the oilers picks, either with this years or next years. Or by adding in a good young player. I have a feeling that a lot of the rumors were way off. It also shows how badly BUF overpaid for Lehner especially since they took on a bad contract to boot. Talbot went for the going rate of a top backup who might be a good starter but hasn't been the guy yet. If he can't handle the starter role Oilers fans will see it as a crap deal, if he can Rangers fans will. I think regardless, it was mediocre and rests solely on the scouting staff, if one of those picks turns out to be good it makes it a good deal.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:14 pm EST

That should read that I like Glass.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:14 pm EST

WIOSA: I like Goass. Would like him better 400-500K less against the cap. But he is a solid guy who for some reason otherwise intelligent hockey fans get stupid and only see his negatives.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:11 pm EST

On hags as well. Something I overlooked. He is arb eligible this year and a UFA after this season. So if you don't get him signed long term he could walk. Same issue as Talbot in that after one season you could see him walk. Lowers value of players....

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:11 pm EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/mats-zuccarello/mats-zuccarellos-instagram-post-on-carl-hagelin-being-traded/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:10 pm EST

Stevie: every team has holes soemplace. It's a cap league

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:09 pm EST

Rangers about to acquire a goalie June 27th, 2015 2:03 pm The Rangers are on the verge of acquiring a goaltender to back up Henrik Lundqvist and replace Cam Talbot. (Larry Brooks)

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:09 pm EST

@NYRangers "I don't think there are a lot of holes in our team right now." #NYR Jeff Gorton .....one is too many ...another member of Sather's fruit of the loom ass kissing club......

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:02 pm EST

RF4L: Maybe if HAGS was signed and not a RFA to be , he might have fetched the low 1st and I am sure Sather wanted to trade him out of the division; Last I looked, the season is not starting tomorrow.

DOUBLEN


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:57 pm EST

WIOSA..........I don't know , but RF4L just posted that Elliott Freidman of CBC hinted as such and he is a good source...........nothing confirmed though.........to quote Murray Head.............." Say it ain't so Joe "

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:49 pm EST

All in all a very underwhelming 20 hours.....I wish Sather would retire.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:37 pm EST

No way MSL is coming back. Post reported he was pissed about his ice time in the playoffs. Really? So was every Ranger fan. You were on the ice too damn much, especially on the PP. Good riddance

Fotiu22


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:33 pm EST

SATHER PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RETIRE RETIRE you. Nothing for Talbot. Hags not a great scorer but plays a notch better in the playoffs......WHY....WHY... GLASS sucks, WTF is going on so glad I didn't buy season tickets fuck this shit stupid fucking asshole. 3 bogus picks for Talbot are you fucking kidding me. GORTON must take over holly crap

vcp1994


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:33 pm EST

And i find it hard to believe Hags wouldn't have fetched a low first. I can only assume Sather wanted an NHL forward back because he's got nothing in the system as a replacement. Which makes sense given all the high picks he's traded away. Roosting chickens and all that....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:27 pm EST

Newfie...say it aint so. Where did you read that on MSL?

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:26 pm EST

Rhett, for the record I like Sheppard too, can live with Boyle, glad MSL moved on, and I think RF4L and I are the only people on the planet who really like Glass.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:26 pm EST

Given what we were hearing yesterday and what Lehner fetched I concur the retirn for Talbot is disappointing. Sather it appears dithered too much then got desperate. Chiarelli schooled the antiquated Sather.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:24 pm EST

Jesus, Mary and Joseph....we trade Hags and keep MSL for another year...............WOW !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:19 pm EST

I missed all the bs thankfully . I knew sather was desperate and would try to save his ugly face , ass , and palmed pud. Not much fans can do but live with it and this pos until he goes.....what did he do for next season? Made the nyr weaker so far ... Great job stick your picks , trades, signings, etc, and deliver the cup or gtfooh.... Veenknow still smiling? He can't sit down because sather stuck it up his like he stuck it up the fans and the players with his playoff high jinks .. Lb seems to agree on sather ....http://nypost.com/2015/06/27/rangers-trade-cam-talbot-and-carl-hagelin/

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:15 pm EST

NICK - So right on about the minimal return for TALBOT..Ask FLyer fans about BOB..Ranger fans recently ridiculed the Flys for such a deal yet appplaud Sather's move....OK...And the real Bullshit will be the words coming out of the decaying fossil's mouth in the papers tomorrow..

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 12:01 pm EST

Really you gotta be kidding. You know what the odds are a 59th will ever play in the league? Something like 30 percent. The other two picks aren't even worth mentioning unless it's one of those lightning strike luck outs. "Five teams have made offers for Talbot!" Either that was utter bullshit or Sather is more of a fossilized ass clown that I even imagined.

Nick


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:57 am EST

We once had Cam ... But there Sather sat, slamming his ham ... The hours went by, Slats palmed his dick ... And there went Cam, for a useless pick.

Nick


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:19 am EST

RF4L- Not really on the Finn, I like the Kovac pick. Think a bit Erik Karlsson at forward lol. Cocky kid with a lot of potential. Delivers in big games etc. Real high reward potential pick.

Ola


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:16 am EST

Saw it posted on Carp`s blog, but cannot find the original tweet. Suspect it`s bogus (whew).

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:15 am EST

WIOSA: Simple - cap crunched. I knew such a move was coming but thought it would be Stepan or one of Girardi or Staal. And I still think another salary dump move will occur...

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:14 am EST

RF4L oh please tell me youre joking, or tell me where to buy some cyanide.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:13 am EST

Jesper Fast's and Miller's emergence this past season made Hags expendable . Like many speedsters, Hags wasn't a goal scorer, but a great fore checker - he was a depth player but not top 6 material. A victim of the cap. Good luck to him and Cam.

puckyou


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:13 am EST

Rhett, you may be right, and I like Hags, love his play, but if he could bring us what we need to get us a cup, then hell yeah. What Im upset about is what's coming back. Draft picks, especially late round picks don't do anything for now. So what did we gain? What do we have to deal for the top 6 forward we have to get? And wth is our backup goalie? Since Gorton said NFW is it Mackenzie. Basically not upset at the loss of one or two players, upset that we are in limbo. Hell if we cant put together a cup run, then do a Boston...and do it quick. JMHO

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:12 am EST

I hope it`s from a hacked tweeter account. MSL back means endless ineffective icetime for MSL courtesy of AV....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:11 am EST

MSL!!!!!! Really? WTF?!!! I dont want him for $250K or if he played for free. Holy crap this weekend is BS

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:11 am EST

I have seen Etem a lot. He could not gain a regular spot on the Ducks, and spent about half his year this year in the minors. Since he has come to the Ducks, guys like Maroon, Rakell, Silfverberg, Cogliano, Beleskey, Bonino have come in and played ahead of him. I really would not expect more than a bottom 6 performance from him going forward. trouble is...the work ethic, size, strength and skill are there, the skill in flashes only.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 11:09 am EST

MSL resigning with the Rangers for 1 year...according to Elliotte Friedman...

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:59 am EST

Pat: Agreed - Hags out doesn`t resolve the cap issues. It helps yes, but things are still going to be ridiculously tight.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:53 am EST

12 goals in 73 playoff games...no wonder there is no cup in the cupboard. I bet most rangers have crazy bad numbers as there is just not enough goals to win the cup these past few seasons in the PO's...not all Hags fault but I would have though he'd score more than that!

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:49 am EST

RF: I wonder if Stepan is in play especially after hearing of the Hayes offer this morning. Step held a gun to Sather in negotiations once before and ciggy doesnt forget that stuff. I still believe that someon on the D is headed out to make room cap wise and for big Mc. If they didnt project Mc in the starting 6 they would have dealt him before the 1st rd. Something has to give. Still not enough cap room, jam and O....

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:48 am EST

Hagelin - 12 goals in 73 playoff games 58 goals/130 points in 266 games Etem -6 goals in 23 playoff games. 15 goals/31 points in 115 games Hags played about 4-5 min more per game. Etem is nearly 4 yrs younger too. As much as love Hags and the effort -we should get effort from Etem and others to replace him. Prior to being drafted- Scouts Say:“Emerson is a great skater who opens up the ice real well. He is a real professional already. Everyday he prepares like a pro. His biggest strength is he wants to improve as a player. When you tell him something he is prepared to do it.” Comparison: Mike Cammalleri Season doesn't start for few months so lets see what else happens over course of the summer- Still think Rangers need to instill physical agressiveness into their game and that might require further sacrifices. Should be interesting next few months leading up to season.

jim9k26


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:47 am EST

WIOSA... I think Rick Nash's play on the PK really made Hags expendable. Just as fast and he scores. I also think that Zuc's deal put the writing on the wall for Hags. Sather seemed to be looking to trade Zuc until AV stepped in. If it came down to that I would keep Zuc over Hags any day of the week. I don't know where Etem fits. Whether he makes the team or get's traded, but I wouldn't mind it if we kept Sheppard, I really like his snarl.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:47 am EST

Vic, I think the Rangers are trying to win now but also not mortgage their future...this was/is a very deep draft. They have to make tough decisions...they had very little picks this year and they now have more which helps the future. Yeah, I want to win the cup this year too but remember what Neil Smith did to this team mortgaging the future...no playoffs for 7 years...

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:45 am EST

Ola - any insight on the Swede and Finnish kids the Rangers picked?

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:44 am EST

Pat: Tell your son the Stars already have Seguin and Spezza. They don't need to play a 3rd line center $6,000,000. If Stepan's in play, there are plenty of teams who'd be interested, I'm sure. Trade him to the Leafs for Kessel (and the Leaves eat 1/4 of Kessel's salary). Now you have 2 legitimate top 6 forward scorers.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:44 am EST

JKROPP: No, they needed to get back a player that could add to this team this year and beyond with the trading of TALBOT. They need to shed salary from one of their bloated $5 Million contracts. Instead, it appears they are planning to add one more bloated contract this year in STEPAN and another next year in YANDLE. TD: Nobody said the sky was falling. Nobody said the Rangers were going to be a last place team this year and beyond. What we are saying is that the Rangers have mismanged their assets and Cap badly over the last few years and are making bad decisions to help cover up the warts on previous bad decisions.

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:42 am EST

And now Finnish center Aleksi Saarela..........

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:41 am EST

My 11 year old just suggested shipping Stepan out to Dallas for Nichuskin and Roussel then Klein to FLA for Hayes. If an 11yr old can think that way why not an atrophied ciggy chomping dwork holding GM?

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:40 am EST

haaa...or open up cap space...you know what I mean : )

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:39 am EST

Rangers take Russian d-man (playing in the WHL) Sergey Zborovskiy............

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:39 am EST

VIC, they needed to shred cap space in deal with Talbot...don't you guys understand that???

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:37 am EST

And another point on ETEM. I don't know a damn thing about him and I'm not killing him as a player at all. If the Rangers wanted him why not deal TALBOT for him or someone like him. Again, deal TALBOT for a player that can help this year. Not for a bunch of 2nd round picks that most likely won't see the NHL for 3+ years. I would rather have ROUSEL straight up for TALBOT. This was handled very poorly. I cannot understand how an owner can sit back and watch this level of Cap and asset mismanagement and allow the GM to keep his job. It is stunning.

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:36 am EST

I am not going to malign Etem - I don't know a ton about him, but I do recall in his draft year he was highly regarded and in his final year of junior he scored a whooping 61 goals.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:36 am EST

Touchdown Chicago! Well said. Rangers fans love Hags because he is a good kid and fast as hell but he needs to score a lot more to warrant that salary...

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:33 am EST

Vic - what are you the Rangers' accountant now? C'mon. Every year it's the same story...Ohh...the Rangers are screwed...oh...the Rangers can't sign this player or that player...ohh...we'll have to trade this guy or that guy...whoa is me...And every year, Sather gets the team under the cap largely intact...and for the past four years, that team has hauled to the later rounds of the playoffs. So pardon me, if I'm not buying into all this 'sky is falling' business. My opinion is the Rangers opened up space, STILL have guys they can move, grabbed picks they desperately needed in a deep draft and will STILL ice a very good team next season...And the belly-aching over HAGELIN...man...I'm so over it already...Loved the kid, but as has already been mentioned here, he was a third-liner and you can't pay big bucks for a guy like that. Simple reality in the cap world. They got a decent return for him...ETEM is a more skilled player who won't cost much more than his qualifier...so sorry...just not too worried at this point. But bong on. All of you have a great day planning the demise of the Rangers.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:33 am EST

ola: I don't disagree. I like Hagelin but he's a 3rd liner. Yes, his speed and forechecking are valuable assets, especially on the PK, but replaceable IMO. All that said, if it was up to me one of Staal or Girardi would have been moved (yes, I get the NTCs may have prevented that). There's a lot of $$ tied up on the blueline.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:33 am EST

RF4L: Totally agree. They couldn't bring back a significant salary. But they could have traded for a guy on an entry level contract. And they could have packaged STEPAN/BRASSARD for a player that could help them now and later as both of us wanted.

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:33 am EST

Anaheim will be delighted to pay Hags for what he brings. And guess what, they have a competent GM so they can afford to. The guy was also a favorite of his teammates and a heart and soul guy. This is the second straight year one of those type of guys has been sacrificed due to the Rangers cap mismanagement.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:32 am EST

Rhett, for the record, Zuuc is my favorite. Now, that said, I don't know how many sh goals Hags has scored, how many has Etam? The job of the PK is to stop them from scoring, it's a bonus if you score while doing so. Our PK was 6, and Hags was a good part of it. He was not a brute, but never shied away from contact. A solid player with a great attitude. When we went into this draft we needed desperately a power forward or a brusing dman. That is what we needed for another cup run, PLEASE be aware that the Isles,Habs, CBJ, and Bolts are not sitting still, we have to beat them - we could not stand pat. Are you actually telling me we just got better? We're good to go now? I was hoping we could add something to our roster. Worst case scenario stay the course and hope for a trade later on. We just got weaker IMHO.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:30 am EST

FWIW, I have no problems getting extra picks in these deals (although if there was a first on the table at some point for Talbot, Sather screwed that up). There's no choice given the cap issues.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:28 am EST

Hospo- I get how you feel, but I am not that down. Here is why. I actually don't think Hags a great fit for AV. I love his attitude, and in the POs he could get more room. But I heard a good rumor privately that Hags was on his way out late this season, and when looking at him closely he really did not contribute much last 20 games during the regular season for example. He is just a bit weak on the puck. AND, Etem was one of this prospects all annoying kids loved at hfboards, who sucked on the big ice in the WJC when I saw him and I thought he was a big bust. I didn't like him at all. But, I've seen him a few times last year for Anaheim and he actually won me over. They had a real logjam on the wing with Silvferberg stepping up and performing well in a grinding role, and EE just got no minutes from them. He is a player I think we hope can perform somewhat in a Kucherov/Killroy role for us if you get what I mean. Real good scoring touch, size and has taken to playing a grinding style. Poor skater though in a high tempo game.

Ola


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:28 am EST

I wonder if Sather is considering trading Stepan. If he wants $6,000,000 (or more) it could happen. I highly doubt he traded Hagelin without anything but remorse, but as some are saying on here, it's the reality of a cap world.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:28 am EST

Gah...I can't take this place. Enjoy your dooming and glooming boys.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:27 am EST

TD: No, you are missing the point. The Rangers traded away a series of #1 picks and good prospects to obtain veteran high dollar players that don't play up to the salary they make. They are now loaded with veteran players who don't produce anywhere near what they command in salary either offensively or defensively. This has created a situation where they were forced to deal a player in HAGS who does produce offensively and defensively. At $3.5 Million HAGS is still very much a value signing for what he brings to the team. And trading away HAGS really doesn't give them a ton of Cap relief. it is the same kind of move that trading away KK would be. Both guys give you more then you pay them. They are the kind of player you can't move if you have a brain. Yet they are easy to move. Why? Because everyone who does have a brain WANTS them. So the Rangers move players that other teams would love to have to hold onto a players that other teams really don't want because they make more then they are worth. Great management SATHER. Great job........

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:27 am EST

Relax boys! Just trying to lighten things up here. For the record, Hags is not a difference maker at this point, Talbot got back-up value return apparently so I digress. Packaging Hags/Talbot though may have brought back something more significant. Was it an option?

pa.rangersfan


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:26 am EST

http://youtu.be/2J0ZKwLCLXE

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:26 am EST

There has to be another deal out there to address the scoring deficiencies and loosen the cap enought to resign the RFAs. Too bad the Buch kid is staying in the KHL. Seems like there is now room and a need for him

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:26 am EST

Asset mismanagement. Sorry to see hags go

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:26 am EST

Wild: Waiting to hear your explanation for the trading of Hagelin seeing as they could resign all without an issue.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:26 am EST

JFC: Ducks moved out Wisnezski so they could fit Hags. That's proper cap management. Tell me how the Rangers could fit the roster player you want under their cap? I don't get it.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 am EST

It's not cap mismanagement. For crying out loud. It's called great drafting/signing and development young players they aquired turned into guys who could demand a lot of money and in talbots case be a starter. That's a good thing, that means they are doing thing right. No team will ever Ina cap world get to keep all the important parts of their team. It's part of a cap world.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 am EST

WIOSA.... How many short handed goals has Hagelin socred in the last couple of years? JMO,but in the age of the cap, we as fans need to put how we feel about a player aside and think what's best for the team first.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 am EST

Vic/JFC/RF4L/WIOSA - carry on !

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 am EST

Vic: How could the Rangers fit another roster player under the cap, especially one who could actually make a difference? They couldn't. And still can't.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:24 am EST

td -- stop with the sarcastic hyperbole....today's moves have proven to do nothing for our team ON THE ICE than to add question marks, at best. We know what Hags could do, we don't know what Etem will bring. This team is not better than it was....I want a BETTER TEAM so we can have a better chance at the Cup. We don't have it so far and that's the truth of the matter. I hope Sather has a better plan than what he's shown so far because picks do not impress me when we have a core of players that is Cup,worthy but needs to get better....we haven't while other teams (like the Ducks)have.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:23 am EST

lesser extent TD.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:23 am EST

Rhet: Wild and to a lesser extent. Both have posted on here frequently that the Rangers have no cap problems and everyone will be resigned. Obviously, that's not how the GM viewed it. And IMO, the jettisoning of Hagelin hasn't eliminated the problem - just eased it somewhat. Stepan remains a significant issue.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:22 am EST

Kovacs...159lbs! haaa..at 6' tall...hope the kid eats some more!

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:22 am EST

PA.... Exactly! I bet that's how the NYR see him too.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:22 am EST

Just a story....My son just walked in the door..He's a huge Ducks fan..and Norfollk Admiral fan...Saw Etem all year.....I told him the Ducks got Hagelin...He said..No Way! He's fast! ducks could use him and his PKing! and aske who they got...I said..ETEM..He just laughed and said..Sorry...But then he said He's fast and has some killer moves..Oh well..

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:21 am EST

Vic/JFC I agree wholeheartedly. We just lost an important part of the team. A team player, well liked and fast as all hell. An integral part of our PK - which I might add was our ONLY shining star in our Special Teams area. We did NOTHING to improve our status for this upcoming season. We improved only by subtraction - MSL left. the Hags move was at best an even swap...and I mean AT BEST. It remains to be seen. This guy could not make the Ducks roster. We have no back up goalie, less speed, and lost a key ingredient on the PK. And we actually paid for the privilege. This team just rips you every single way.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:21 am EST

Gimme some Kovacs!A speedy winger that likes to agitate opponents and then strike quickly. Possesses great stick-handling ability and creativity, and is potent on the power play and penalty kill, as he recognizes scoring chances and is quick to act. Loves to play a puck-possession game and can pick his spot like no other when ripping his shots. All-in-all, an all-around winger that players hate to play against due to his skill level and the effectiveness of his agitation. - Curtis Joe, Elite Prospects

pa.rangersfan


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:20 am EST

RF4L... Who is your post directed to? I've been saying since the season ended I thought Hags would go(Not that I wanted him to).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:19 am EST

Right now team has more grit...by losing MSL, who was a waste in the PO, and was on the ground more than upright and by bringing in this kid Etem who is tougher than Hags we will be a tougher team. We didn't win with all the speed in the world the past 2 years.

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:19 am EST

jkropp - Don't be the sunshine on this parade raining... Stick with the message. Rangers suck. Sky is falling. We're not making the playoffs...

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:18 am EST

TD... Maybe we re-sign Sheppard and Etem get's traded or doesn't make the team. Who knows?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:17 am EST

Oh...ok...$1,200,000. $3,800,000 to sign 5 players. Aren't you one of the loudest on here about the Rangers having no cap issues? Explain the trade of Hags given that.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:17 am EST

Just drafted Hags again! A swedish kid with a hungarian last name. I love the kid already!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:17 am EST

Man...so...the Rangers suck because they trade away picks and have a 'barren farm system'...but they suck when they trade away a third-liner and the backup goalie for a bunch of picks in the deepest draft in recent memory? You guys want some cake? Want to eat it too?

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:16 am EST

and where is the scoring coming from again? Who can count on Nash hitting for 40+ again next yr? Where is the toughness on this team? Unless McI takes a regular spot in the D there isnt any bc Glass doesnt scare anyone...

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:16 am EST

VIC...the sky is not falling. Rangers have cap issues, you are not going to retain every player especially when you go to the finals and conf finals 2 years in a row. It's tough being GM, you want Hayes, so did I but they would have not been able to sign Stephan...

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:14 am EST

Hospo: Does Etem's sexual preferences really matter?

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:14 am EST

RF4L - Just watch.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:14 am EST

VIC - We often disagree but 100% spot on!

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:14 am EST

PatrickDiv.... You will never ever ever ever ever ever get me to defend the Glass signing, but his cap hit is $1.45 mil. He's an AV guy. I guess we're stuck with him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:14 am EST

RF4L: 2 mil!!! Holy crap. His qualifying offer is like 800-900K he will be a 1-1.25 mil guy on a 2-3 year deal. Where did you get 2 mil from?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:14 am EST

Rhet0ric - I was thinking that too at first...but again...If ETEM is on third with MILLER or HAYES and FAST...where does Buch go?

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:13 am EST

From all I've seen, HAGS is nastier and tougher than Etem, just not as big..but love those soft, bi guys..

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:13 am EST

First, this is a really bad day for the Rangers. They trade away an extremely important part of this team's core because of gross mismanagement. They traded away a guy that they have no replacement for (with all due respect to FAST who I like a lot). The team is now weaker then it was last week. It is weaker then it was when they didn't have enough to go all the way this past year or the year before. And Anaheim just got a lot better. They picked up a guy they coveted. That fat walrus behind the bench was envious of the Rangers speed and he just got a big part of it. Maybe the piece they needed to get past teams like Chicago next year. And in the TALBOT trade the Rangers failed to bring back a player that could help them this year. With all of the "win now" trades the Rangers have made over the last few years they have effectively shortened their window. Why they would now care about restocking the team for down the road when they are out of the window makes no sense. You needed to get back a player that could help this year and beyond. And you failed. Miserably.

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:12 am EST

TD: How? Do explain...Etem will get $2,000,000 and the new backup $1,000,000. $9,000,000 left to sign Stepan, Fast, Miller, MSL's replacement and 2 black aces. Stepan will be taking 2/3s of that....cap issues remain, just not quite as severe as 30 minutes ago.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:12 am EST

Etem puts fear into,opposing players? If so, then he'll be a good player for us. Methinks it ain't so

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:12 am EST

PICK: With the 62nd selection in the #NHLDraft the #NYR choose RW Robin Kovacs (Sweden)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:11 am EST

And Glass is an AV favourite - not going anywhere.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:10 am EST

RF4L - Plenty of cap space now.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:10 am EST

He plays hard but his checks are nothing...they need guys that can forcheck hard and actually put fear into some guys. You can't tell me there is anyone in the NHL that fears Hags hitting them...maybe stealing the puck but not hitting.

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:09 am EST

Rhet- You are correct, you dont pay 3M for a 3rd line player but then why are we paying 2M for a 4th liner like Glass? It makes no sense that the guy is still here and Sheppard likely being let go. Poor management all around

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:09 am EST

Why not roster player in return for Talbot? Simple - can't fit it under the cap.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:08 am EST

Jk -- HAGS is soft???! Wha? Have you watched the POs....he was a demon on the forecheck, put pressure on the D and become super adept at winning board battles. And most importantly, he raised his level of play during the POs while other guys SHRANK....it's all about the POs and winning the Cup for me at this point and this Etem kid doesn t mean shit because he is a guy who,is an unknown quantity who couldn't even crack the Ducks lineup. Maybe he is close to Hags in speed and will replace most of what Hags brings (as I said before many times, Hags' tools were not irreplaceable) but right now, I am looking at a Rangers team that is WEAKER for,the playoffs....until such time as Etem proves otherwise. He is an unknown.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:07 am EST

td.., spot o this morning! Hags was a decent Ranger and the speed is unquestioned for sure BUT invisible after the Pens Series if you ask me. This Team NEEDS size! As for Talbot; if Hayes was available with a little cap maneuvering; would've loved him but the return addresses the empty cupboard.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:07 am EST

Oh well, gents, totally hate the results but had fun...Enjoy the day.....

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:07 am EST

Too bad there is not NHL/KHL transfer agreement, because this would be a good year for Buch to try to make the team.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:06 am EST

ETEM is going to get his 10% qualifer and be making under $1 million;Hags will get north of $3 million

DOUBLEN


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:06 am EST

Rhet0ric - Exactly. And depending on who they get as a backup, I don't see the that the Rangers are for the worse. Hopefully, they parlay those picks into some solid players.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:05 am EST

JFC - But we got questiom mark prospects! TDCHI - ETEM wasn't good enough or played hard enough ot be in the NHL all last year...Has some issues...You can count on him for being this big ciontributor, noit me...not after I saw flaot through aboiut 5 games last year..Lies to skate and dangle though..whoopee..Just waht the Rangers needed

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:05 am EST

There's a lot of good players left. I don't know if Sather will pick any of them, but a lot of good ones still left.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:05 am EST

shonuff: that would be great if there wasn't a cap.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:05 am EST

Let's face it...and costs a lot less!

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:03 am EST

JFC31, I disagree...hags is too soft and doesn't score enough. I like Etem...he plays a bigger game and has better hands... we will see tho!

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:03 am EST

NYR get more picks. Trade down from 57 to 62 and 113. Gambling Bracco is still there in 5 picks?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:03 am EST

Sather finds ways to rip your heart out year after year. he is a thought...Why not package Talbot and hags for a top 6 forward if you are in win now mode ???????

shonuff


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:02 am EST

Keeping it in perspective: The NYR got a lot more for a backup goalie than anyone has gotten in years. If you asked me a month ago, it's more than i thought we would have gotten. Hags had to go. You don't pay $3Mil for a 3rd line player.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:01 am EST

WIOSA - ETEM is anything but an 'unproven AHLer'...the guy is solid. He'll be on the Rangers' third line next season and he won't cost $2.75 million-$3.5 million.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:01 am EST

Hospo/Bob -- we said it....unless he was going to get very high draft choices for the future, Satherbneeded to turn Talbot into a ROSTER PLAYER. I don't give a shit about second rounders, I give a shit about wi Ning the Cup in the 1-3 years we have left. Sather better stay busy and get this team another player or two because this is nothing but a plate full of horse shit. Man, I am pissed! Right now, with the trade of HAGS, we are A WEAKER TEAM than we were 24 hours ago

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:01 am EST

Hayes would have been nice but wouldn't be a smart cap move...

jkropp


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:00 am EST

Vic - OK. The Rangers traded a third liner and a backup goalie for three second-rounders, two late round draft picks and a third rounder. Is that better? Look, I love HAGLIN. Was one of my favorite players...I like TALBOT too...Spent many a day talking up both on this very wall...and sometimes to people convinced that they 'suck' or are an 'ECHLer'...but I'm not going to cry about the return they got. Rangers needed to replenish their farm system and that's what they're doing. Sucks they didn't get a first rounder, but neither did any of the other goalies outside of LEHNER.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:00 am EST

Were Talbot and Hags just dealt for 2 second rounders a 3rd and an unproven AHLer?

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 10:00 am EST

Rangers may be talking deal again.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:59 am EST

Please put Sather out to pasture NOW...Whatever his strategy with TALBOT was, it failed...CHiarellie plyed him like a fiddle....And if GORTON is involved in these moves, nothing will change in NY

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:58 am EST

hate to see Hags go, my sons favorite player and one of mine as i have been watching him since Michigan but it was inevitable when we have $$ tied up on backend and goal like we do. You don't lose a guy like Stepan over him he' s a much more replaceable part. Etem has excellent speed and likes to get in the forecheck and bang from what i have seen. I think Boudrou just didn't like him he was pretty good in the playoff games he played. Has much better hands than Hags too. Also helps open spots for other guys who play similar style/role to compete like Fast and Bourque, he's seems quite ready to ready to make the step.

jim9k26


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:58 am EST

TD.... Two Second rounders and a 3rd. 79 is in the 3rd round.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:58 am EST

There better be some other shoes dropping because this morning has been very underwhelming. Still need a second offensive weapon behind Nash. A roster player like Yak would have done that. Screw the EDM picks

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:57 am EST

By not getting a high pick for Talbot, the much better plan was to get a player that can help the team. So Chiiarelli worked Sather big time. If the Rangers truly had a #1 on the table at some point, and truly could have had Jimmy Hayes today for him, then Sather screwed the pooch and is sitting there with his dork in his hand.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:57 am EST

TD: Where they were drafted means little. Would you call HANK a 7th round talent?

Vic


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:57 am EST

How did these moves improve the team for next year ?

stepunmytoe


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:56 am EST

TDCHI - What TALBOT was yearfs ago means n0othing..Signing him as a UFA was a great move...trading him for shit and golden prospects is the opposite...WIll be worse than the Flyers trade of BOB

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:56 am EST

Etam

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:56 am EST

Unless this Rtam kid brings in a missing ingredient to,this team, thses past 2 days have been a fustercluck!

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:55 am EST

Zucc just lost his best friend on the team

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:55 am EST

TALBOT for GARBAGE...I'm sorry..SATHER fucked this up......One player better than three question marks..

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:55 am EST

Rangers traded a former fifth rounder and a UFA signing for three second rounders, a couple late round picks and a former first rounder...And they got fleeced? Not so sure about that.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:54 am EST

Joke return !!

stepunmytoe


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:54 am EST

I'm not pleased losing Hags...............why dos this team keep trading away MY favorte players ?................SHIT !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:54 am EST

BOB - I'll listen, but form what I've seen, he doesn't like to use his sizebut love to skate and dazzle more...I saw him in three games for tha ZHL team thius year---not impressed

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:54 am EST

The #Oilers have acquired goalie Cam Talbot and pick 209 from NYR in exchange for picks 57, 79 and 184

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:53 am EST

Rangers just opened up at least $3 million in cap space.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 am EST

Unless there is a LOT we don't know it sounds like Talbot went cheap. So unless that first was BS and those seconds were conditional next two years it's a step down big time. Or Talbot told everyone he was not going to sign anyplace until he tested the market next summer. Sather got screwed.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 am EST

Hags will like Cali- has the hair for it.seriously, one of the best skaters to ever don a NYR uniform. Best of luck Hags.

puckyou


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 am EST

Ola - We don't.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:52 am EST

OTOH, HAGS is a great player for the Ducks giving them something they don't have---opposte of Etem which just brings more of the same.....Rangers are correct that they do need scoring for the POs but they forget that they need dirty goals as much as anything...and they don't have the players for that still...

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 am EST

I like the pick. He's what the Rangers need. Size and willing to use it.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 am EST

HOSPO--He is not a pansy. He is very strong, but he has just not found his way. The kid has hands and does not shy away from the physical stuff. He also has good hands and a good shot. He will be more physical than Hags was. Still, I am pretty shocked that they moved Hags.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 am EST

Two seconds and the 189th pick.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 am EST

Ryan Rishaug &#8207;..... 57 79 and 184 the picks in return.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:51 am EST

Gotta be another deal.....this is fringe stuff. I always had the feeling Hags was a trade chip kinda guy....although I grew to respect his game a lot more in the past 2 years. Still always felt like his "tools" could be replaced easier than other players'.....however, his PO performances are important too and he showed up big time

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:50 am EST

Hm thought we didn't have any cap problems...

Ola


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:50 am EST

Jim Cerny retweeted New York Rangers Etem, a 2010 first rounder...then #NYR pick Ryan Gropp, 6'2", 185 pound left wing who was 30-28-58 in WHL last year

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:50 am EST

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Looks like NYR are trading Cam Talbot to EDM for three picks. #TSN

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:49 am EST

Three picks for TALBOT.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:49 am EST

Hate to see Hags go. He - and his speed/forecheck - was a key cog in AV's system. But the Cigar screwed the pooch with the cap and had to move someone. :( Could Grogg be someone AV wanted having seen him play in Seattle while AV was out west? Sure hope there's more coming on the trade front...

Ranger47


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:48 am EST

A lot of guys (including me) wanted Daniel Sprong.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:48 am EST

Did they need to move up for Gropp? Would have rather dealt STEP then Hags to free up sapce

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:47 am EST

ETEM is a good young skater...former first rounder...has speed, hands...good shot...but never could crack the Ducks lineup...and I'm just not sure how he'll factor into the Rangers lineup. Clearly a cap-cutting measure...and I suspect one that will mean another big deal is around the corner.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:47 am EST

Talbot to EDM deal coming.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:47 am EST

Gropp ranked late 2nd into late 3rd by most experts. Big kid who's got wheels and skill. Here's an excellent report on him: "Analysis: A big-bodied player at 6'3, Ryan Gropp is making a splash in the WHL and he is quickly becoming a fan-favorite with the Seattle Thunderbirds. A potential elite-level power forward, he has all of the technical tools, as well as the natural size that lets him bulldoze his way to the front of the net, to be a constantly dangerous scoring threat. He is a tremendous blend of work ethic and tenacity (digging in deep; never giving up on the play), hockey-IQ (creative and responsible mind for the game), and skill (skating, hands, patience, and vision). He has a presence around the net that makes it difficult for defenders not to chase or focus on him; what this does is it also creates space for his linemates, such as his current centerman, Mathew Barzal, and completes his package as a dangerous, hard-to-contain offensive winger. When you watch the Thunderbirds play, it isn't hard to find Gropp on the ice; this isn't simply a result of his size, skating and puck skills, alone, but he makes an impact as soon as he jumps over the boards for his shift. You notice a change in the game's pace because, through complimenting his linemates like a perfectly-fitting puzzle piece, he creates innumerable scoring chances. Gropp doesn't shy away from physical play, either, and uses his rangy 6'3 frame to his advantage along the boards and in the corners. He also has a very accurate shot."

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:45 am EST

So now what's next? Maybe they are getting someone from the oilers that will take up the cap space HAGs would have had....or hags was asking for a smidg too much. Cap casualties will happen...not real happy with this alone, and who knows about that pick...will have to balance it with any further movement.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:45 am EST

Gropp doesn't pass the "can you imagine his name being called by play-by-play guys" on TV test.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:44 am EST

Bob - Another big guy that doesn't really like to use his body...Often a flaoter from what I've seen..Noi thanks...I'd rather have the smaller but all guts Hags any day of the week...

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:44 am EST

Stunned. I liked Hags a lot. Provided great speed on the forecheck and underrated work along the wall but the emergence of Fast and his potential RFA asking price got him shipped out. Dont know much about Etem but isnt he a former first rd pick?

PatrickDiv


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:44 am EST

Trading Hagelin is one thing...........trading him for Emerson Etem? Not great. Hagelin is the far better player.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:43 am EST

Rangers pick LW Ryan Gropp of Seattle (WHL) with the 41st pick just acquired. Gropp: 6-foot-2, 30-28-58 in 67 games last season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:43 am EST

And they get Ryan GROPP?!? WTF man...

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:42 am EST

Wow. They traded Hags. Emerson Etem is a big kid that can skate, has shown flashes of potential but could not stay in the Ducks lineup. When the Ducks traded for Jiri Sekac, his spot on the team was gone.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:42 am EST

wow..Brutal deal for a 1-dimensionl talented but wimpy player like ETEM

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:42 am EST

Rangers pick Ryan Gropp Seattle WHL with pick.... Gropp?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:42 am EST

Done because Sather's lousy cap management....cannot afford all those pending RFAs, like Vic and I have been saying so often.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:42 am EST

Incidentally, the coverage of this draft is absolutely ATROCIOUS. Just awful. From start to finish.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:41 am EST

Who said Hagelin would get dealt to solve our cap woes? I did!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:41 am EST

I like ETEM...good young player...but man...to lose Hags is just brutal.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:40 am EST

WTF????

hipcheck


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:40 am EST

I would keep Klein over Beauchemin. Trust me, I saw the guy 25 times. The ducks would not let him walk if he was not deteriorating. They have Josh Manson coming behind him.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:40 am EST

LOL...all that wait for a fleecing courtesy of the Ducks.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:39 am EST

Hags the 59th for ETEM and 41st.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:39 am EST

Yikes

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:39 am EST

Arthur Staple &#8207;@StapeNewsday 16s17 seconds ago That's a trade right there: Etem/41st pick to #NYR for Hagelin/59/179.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:39 am EST

RHET - Beat you to it.....But Bob says I'm Nuts....No, I din't mean Beauchamin to the Rangers, just the Ducks getting KLEIN to replace Beachumin

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:38 am EST

Ugh..bye bye HAGS.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:38 am EST

He had been, but he was brutal the second half of the season and in the playoffs. He is on the downslope, no doubt.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:38 am EST

Would like GIBSON. He's about as solid as tenders come. But would much rather a young skater.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 am EST

Bob - But he had been a mainstay for them...Klein could be that..Just a thought.....

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 am EST

This is (((Crazy)))!!!! Is it too early to crack a cold one?!?!?!

hipcheck


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 am EST

Pure speculation, but I'm thinking Klein for their 41st

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 am EST

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...NO BEAUCHIMAN...NO...NO...NO...

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 am EST

A 3 team trade! Maybe maybe. Wonder if Gibson to the Rangers? 900k+ and an RFA after this year.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:37 am EST

Maybe a multi-team deal with edmonton?

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:36 am EST

Rangers gonna get the 41st overall?

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:36 am EST

Three team deal with the Oilers?!?

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:36 am EST

Beauchemin os worth losing. His game is on the MSL path. Ducks have young D coming, although they dumped Wisniewski too.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:35 am EST

Anaheim loosing Beauchimin in UFA...maybe KLEIN?? For Melville

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:34 am EST

This could be a trade to create cap space to get something from the oil.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:33 am EST

Rangers about to move up?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:32 am EST

Yikes...Rangers Ducks trade coming.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:32 am EST

OOps...another team out of the Talbot derby? Dallas acquires negotiating rights to Niemi....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:32 am EST

Stars settling for a different type of goalie than TALBOT..an older goalie for NOW and probably battle for number 1 or Co-number 1.

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:32 am EST

Arthur Staple &#8207;@StapeNewsday 15s16 seconds ago Looks like #NYR and ANA have a deal with Ducks about to pick at 41...

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:32 am EST

Rangers and Ducks talking...wtf could they be talking about.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:31 am EST

Rhet: Ducks? Or Oilers?

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:31 am EST

Ryan Rishaug &#8207;.... Ducks and Rangers deep in discussions.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:30 am EST

Well next year we have no #1 either, but that will probably end up being something to be dealt again. I am hoping for a player.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:30 am EST

I think it's the Oil and they are hammering out the deal. GMs don't chat this much unless they are close

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:29 am EST

Well Dallas is out. Niemi went there.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:29 am EST

Stars are out. Just acquired rights to NEIMI.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:28 am EST

Pierre LeBrun &#8207;...... Stars acquire rights to pending UFA Antti Niemi for pick 193

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:28 am EST

Suspect the Ducks would prefer to send Gibson east, like to FLA....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:28 am EST

Bob: what if it's for a non lottery protected first rounder from the oilers for next year?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:26 am EST

You too Rhet!!!

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:26 am EST

Wisnezsky the other way - cap space created by the Ducks. Then no doubt, strong assets when they move Gibson.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:26 am EST

Bob - Exactamundo!

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:25 am EST

Ah..Schoendeld probably being asked whether they should include Big Mac in the deal...:)

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:25 am EST

Well I hope it is for a player that can help now. No sense doing it for picks now.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:25 am EST

Too bad Sather can't trade himself back to Edmonton.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:24 am EST

Bob/Wild: Hey, no rulebook saying I can't dream - gotta figure out how to handle this Sather induced drama without going crazy!

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:24 am EST

Bob: could but Chirelli (sp) has been chatting with Sather for the last 5-10. Something is going on there

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:24 am EST

Adam Herman &#8207;..... Sather on the phone again. Schoenfeld has joined the group. I have a feeling something is about to happen.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:23 am EST

Reports everywhere saying a deal with the Oilers is forthcoming...

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:23 am EST

This oilers Rangers chat is something. It's not the oilers saying "never mind we are going with Gibson "

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:22 am EST

Anaheim is going to trade John Gibson? They are acquiring Khudobin. Gibson could end up in Edmonton.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:21 am EST

RF4L: You shot for the moon than get upset with Sather for not getting it done. You just listed a group of players neither team want to move and with NTC involved

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:21 am EST

Devils trade 36 for 42 and either 109 or 3rd rounder in 2016.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:21 am EST

Adam Herman .... Sather and Chiarelli huddled over a notebook. This is beyond just a chat.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:20 am EST

Thanks, Rhet....I'm cleaning coffee off my screen again!

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:19 am EST

BTW - Devils got a good deal with Kyle PALMIERI...Would have given up a second for him.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:19 am EST

Sather on the phone again.... It's believed he's trying to figure out why there's no rotor.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:18 am EST

RF4L fantasy island with Hall and Draisatl ending up in NY? Sign me up.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:17 am EST

Bob: apparently Hayes is still an option. Also, how do you know it's not that other GMs have forced the price too high so other GMs are going to the second option? You don't. Neither do I. And that's why you don't grade the weekend of Sathers before things are done.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:17 am EST

Looks like today is the day. This Jimmy Hayes thing seems to be doable even if both teams risk losing the player they get....each side would be in the same boat risking that they'll be able to sign the guy they get. From what I've seen if JH and the fact that his bro is on the team already, the kid might be more amenable to signing at a bit of a discount.... And the kid is very good.

JFC31


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:16 am EST

Get it done Sather...Stepan, Girardi, Talbot for Hall, Drai and next year's first. Do it!

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:15 am EST

HOSPO: that's all I've been saying. Wait till we know for sure what's up. As for Montoya, may be a part of the FLA deal that's unavoidable.....but Sather could force someone like Glass on them. I get why FLA would want him to go in the trade, don't want to have to deal with 3G

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:14 am EST

So the consensus top goalie available is still not moved, and we are supposed to think this bumbling boob did not overplay his hand? Who knows? Yakupov could have been a Ranger. Seems Hayes could have been. How low will Sather go? Chiarelli must be laughing is #ss off.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:14 am EST

OTOH, where's the fun in that! :)

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:13 am EST

FLA including the worthless Montoya and picks would be moronic.....People, including BROOKS, WIld, RF4L, Me and others acan have differeing views on the this Talbot-Sather thing, but let's remember they are ALL opinions...no need to keep hammering each other on it..Let's wait for the end result..

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:10 am EST

@StapeNewsday: Peter Chiarelli just had a convo with George Bazos, Cam Talbot's agent, then went straight over to Glen Sather at the #NYR table...

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:10 am EST

Mann, you guys were humming early this morning!....SO FLA and DAL my be the ones still interested in THe Prince?

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:09 am EST

Arthur Staple &#8207;..... Peter Chiarelli just had a convo with George Bazos, Cam Talbot's agent, then went straight over to Glen Sather at the #NYR table..

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:09 am EST

RF4L: again or the GMs still involved have driven the cost up. You really love jumping to conclusions. We will all find out soon enough if Sather has messed up...or at least think we know....

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:07 am EST

Seems like the rumor of Dallas and Florida being the big fighters for Talbot were true....and just to be clear, teams going elsewhere doesn't mean Sather missed out, until we know what deals are made it could be the other got bids higher than those teams are willing to go. Will be interesting once the dust settles.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:06 am EST

Talbot to Stars picking up traction.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:05 am EST

Lack to Carolina? Khubodin in turn to Naheim...and what's this about Gibson?...ANybody interested in TALBOT anymore?

Hospo


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:04 am EST

There ya go...Sather dithers and dithers and dithers. Clearly, he's asking too much so opposing GMs are moving on.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:03 am EST

Thanks to the Bruins going off the board and a few others picking guys rated lower I think early in this second round there will be some movement of picks....lots of first round guys still on the board.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:03 am EST

Alex Nunn &#8207;.... Gibson to Edmonton rumoured.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:02 am EST

if Jimmy Hayes ends up a Ranger, Ok because that is a Talbot rental for Florida. He will have to play behind Loungo, which would be a bummer for him. he would be better off staying in NY.

Bob


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:02 am EST

Rhet: To flip one of their 2 goalies to Dallas or Florida, thereby eliminating from Sather yet another possible suitor.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:01 am EST

San Jose just traded up to 31. Moved 39 and a 2016 pick.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 9:00 am EST

Why would the Ducks trade for the canes backup?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:59 am EST

Renaud Lavoie..... The #Ducks are trying to get their hands on Anton Khoudobine. It could finalize shortly.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:58 am EST

RF4L: also wonder if a 2nd is as high as it would get...like Hayes along with a 2nd if Talbot signs and a 3rd if he doesn't....well wait...Florida doesn't have a 3rd I don't think. So that wouldn't work.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:56 am EST

RF4L: I have thought a condition on Talbot signing like that was almost certainly in the winds. Teams biggest concern is that he is a UFA. That's a big reason BUF wanted Lehner, they have control for a few more years. So it's no shock teams are concerned, and rightly so. I for the record would be fine wit that kind of conditions on a pick.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:53 am EST

Anyways....just freakin do it Sather...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaase....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:53 am EST

Wild: COuld be conditional, too, based on whether the team is able to resign Talbot (such as Jimmy Hayes now and a 1st next year if resigned or a 2nd if not).

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:52 am EST

RF4L: oh absolutely, and Sather may have left that option open this entire time....that's something we don't know, these offers may have been mostly future picks along with a prospect/player. You just wonder would the first be conditional like the Rangers first they sent to AZ, lottery protected for the first year. Frankly I don't care, if it is so what...that would (unless the rangers are a lottery team next season and that's highly unlikely) give them 2 first rounders in 2017, seems like a long way off, but I bet Sather would be gone by then and a new GM could use those to help redesign the team a little if he felt the need.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:48 am EST

Wild: I'd for sure rather get a first next year, especially from a team like FLA or Edmonton because they could easily be lottery picks.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:47 am EST

The Stars have a 1st and a 2nd next year.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:46 am EST

RF4L: they also have a first and 2 seconds next year. Can't be overlooked. Teams are much more willing to give up future picks because they don't have a list of players in front of them they could draft.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:44 am EST

Dallas has the 49th....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:43 am EST

Sharks have the 39th overall pick to offer....

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:41 am EST

Steve Zipay ..... Lots of schmoozing around NYR table here early on Day 2. Sharks Doug Wilson & Slats, for example...

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:40 am EST

DREW: And it was discussed by the pundits less too! LOL

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:40 am EST

Sather also chatting a lot with Doug Wilson (sjs I think right) according to reports and pictures.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:40 am EST

So will Khudobin move before Talbot, as Lack, Jones and Lehner all have?

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:39 am EST

pulleese not Montoya . Is that the first round pick the rumors have been about... ?.... Throw jessiman in then it's 2 firsts...sanguetti makes it 3 .... Pud on... 3 reasons trading first round picks doesn't bother me...

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:39 am EST

Holy Jeezus, the Eric Lindros trade in 92 had less confusion.

DREW


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:36 am EST

Rhet: this is where rumors cross each other...saw something saying Hayes was still on the table. Montoya being part of it may be a cap thing or a "we don't want 3 G" thing. But the picks might be inclusive of the first rounder next season and who knows what they might take as well...maybe Glass to make the cap work.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:35 am EST

Adam Herman..... Sorry, let me amend that. It's the Calgary Flames' table.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:34 am EST

Montoya...that would be amusing. Then Sather can say 'see that 6th overall pick in 04 was a good one'....lol

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:32 am EST

Per Adam Herman &#8207;..... Sather just spoke with Jeff Gorton, notepad in hand. Just walked over to Panthers' table. In discusssions.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:31 am EST

There goes Jimmy Hayes..... "Harvey Fialkov..... Panthers dangling Montoya and picks for Talbot. #FlaPanthers"

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:31 am EST

And the Rangers cannot fit Hayes senior into the cap world - he is looking for a raise; he doesn't want a qualifying offer. Maybe he'll end up moving Talbot to the Oil for their 1st next year. Maybe he'll end up doing nothing. Maybe he needs to retire.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:30 am EST

That was a long completion for a deal.... Rich Chere.... "Devils' trade for Palmieri finalized. Ducks get 41st pick this yr and either Florida or Minnesota's 3rd round pick next yr. (Devils' option)"

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:29 am EST

Because this deal should have been consummated yesterday by capturing a first.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:26 am EST

Rf4l would you retire if somebody already gave you $50 mil and gives 5 more every year no matter what happens ? I have to agree with Hospo you have a Sather pud fixation... Just call him the jerkoff in charge ... Gm to jic ....standby he will make you eat your words....does that mean a pud? ... Lol

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:26 am EST

RF4L - I'm still not getting why you're so bent out of shape...look, it's not like we lost TALBOT for nothing or for garbage...I actually like the rumor that we might get HAYES...again, would have rather had a first rounder...but really, they weren't going to get into the top 15 with Talbot alone. And there's still a chance we get a first rounder for him.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:25 am EST

The Wild are close to signing Devan Dubnyk to a 6 year deal worth 4M+ per (via @TSNBobMcKenzie)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:21 am EST

Rhet0ric - I fully expected them to do the full-court press for HANIFAN when he dropped to fifth overall...and instead they drafted a bunch of second-rounders.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:19 am EST

The media tweeters must love Sather - his inexplicable pud pulling gives them something tangible to tweet about day 2 of the draft.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:16 am EST

Gawd, I wish that antiquated piece of crap would retire.

RF4L


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:15 am EST

Jimmy Hayes works. 6'6 225 20-25g. Plays with more snarl than his brother. Put him with Kevin and Krieds for a chowda line !!

stepunmytoe


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:15 am EST

The Dallas Stars and Florida Panthers are the leading candidates to land Cam Talbot. (Andy Strickland) The Panthers are circling Talbot and very interested. (Friedman)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:14 am EST

Td, sather didn't pick him because he can't pronounce his name!

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:14 am EST

Twitter is alive with Florida as the Talbot leader. If Sarher missed out on a first rounder that's not good. However, we don't know who's first or what draft, or if it was conditional on Talbot resigning and otherwise a 3rd or something. But the return better be good.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:13 am EST

TD.... It kills me, the Bruins picked 2nd rounders in the 1st round. Beat guys were saying at the draft that the Sabres and Bruins basically changed positions with this draft. Funny how things change. There goes that rivalry.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:10 am EST

Per Harvey Fialkov (The Sun Sentinel).... Panthers are frontrunners in talks to acquire Rangers G Cam Talbot acc to source #backup

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:10 am EST

NYStranger - BJUGSTAD is who I wanted us to pick when McILRATH was selected...Highly doubt the Panthers trade him...but who knows? They have a lot of young assets and forwards...that's why Zach HYMAN didn't sign there...'cause he knew he'd be riding the bus in the AHL for several years.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:08 am EST

gene_carr - At least we're not the Bruins...man, their fan base wants to tar and feather Sweeney right now and I can't say I blame them...I mean, sure, they brought some youth to a system that is in dire need of it...but if you boil down the Bruins' trades...they've moved KESSEL, SEGUIN, HAMILTON and LUCIC for what amounts to Zach PHILLIPS, Louie ERIKSSON, Reilly SMITH, Joe MORROW, Colin MILLER, Martin JONES, Zach SENYSHYN, Jake DeBRUSK and Jakub ZBORIL...I mean, imagine if that was the haul we got back for...say NASH, KREIDER, HAYES and McDONAGH?

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:07 am EST

NYR options/return for Talbot continues to shrink. I'm not sure how you could characterize this as anything other than Sather overplaying his hand. Yes, the 2nd round hasn't happened yet, but a lot of 2nd round picks have already changed hands. If we could still get a Yakupov or Jimmy Hayes in a deal for Cam, we need to get it done sooner rather than later (or now).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:04 am EST

And wasn't Bjugstad available when the Rangers picked McL or Miller or something like that? Ha!

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 8:02 am EST

We could always add in our 1st round pick....oh, wait

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:57 am EST

Canes likely to move one of their other guys.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:56 am EST

NYStranger. Sure so would I. But I don't think they would entertain that idea

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:56 am EST

#Canucks trade Eddie Lack to the #Canes in exchange for a 2015 3rd round pick and a 2016 7th round pick.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:54 am EST

Eddie Lack has been traded to the Hurricanes.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:54 am EST

Lack to the Hurricanes. Never saw that coming. Isn't he the other guy teams looking to Talbot were looking at??

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:53 am EST

I am interested in Bjugstd not Hayes. Could we get him for Talbot and Stepan?

NYStranger


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:52 am EST

Will be REALLY interesting to see what happens in Buffalo. In two years, MURRAY is either going to be hailed as a genius or the goat who continues to keep the Sabres mired among the worst teams in the NHL...Would not have traded LEMIEUX, ARMIA or COMPHER...and a first rounder for LEHNER? ZADOROV...another guy who I'm surprised the Sabres moved...but they walked away with KANE, BOGOSIAN, and O'RIELLY...add in REINHART and EICHEL and you have team that's about as strong as it can get up the middle...Both those trades took some balls...and frankly, I would have much rather kept that youthful core and seen what it could do...but no doubt, Sabres got a lot better yesterday...that's especially if Lehner proves to be a number one.

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:50 am EST

JIMMY HAYES PLEASE!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:37 am EST

are: most surprising thing about that is Brooks is a sensationalism type guy. Every RFA will get the max every trade will blow up. So of all writers I expected him to blast Sather this morning. That gives me hope if nothing else

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:27 am EST

Well at least Brooksie doesn't believe Sather screwed up: "SUNRISE, Fla. — So, Glen Sather was unable to parlay the interest in Cam Talbot into a first-round selection in the NHL draft that commenced with round one on Friday night. But that does not mean the Blueshirts’ general manager, whose backup netminder had drawn serious interest from six teams — the Flames, Oilers, Sabres, Stars, Sharks and Panthers — as the day began, necessarily overplayed his hand. Nor does it mean Talbot will remain a Ranger by the end of Saturday, when rounds two through seven will be conducted. Indeed, The Post has learned the Flames, who sent the 15th, 45th and 52nd overall selections to the Bruins for Dougie Hamilton in the afternoon, intend to go back at it and submit a bid for the Blueshirts’ incumbent understudy to Henrik Lundqvist. Additionally, The Post has learned the Panthers have offered 25-year-old center Jimmy Hayes, older brother of the Rangers’ Kevin Hayes, to the Blueshirts as part of a package for Talbot, who would then become Roberto Luongo’s backup, at least for the short-term."

tdchi


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:25 am EST

Rhet: exactly. This is why I preach waiting. We know the Rangers in recent drafts did a bang up job in the 3rd round...they are not afraid of picking in the 3rd. A lot IMHO depends on what the scouts have said and what players on their board are still on the big board.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:23 am EST

Stevie: was wondering if he had spoken with him/his agent as well. Perhaps that's part of the delay. Also who knows, maybe Sather did ask one of his NTC guys about a trade and was waiting for a reply, things were still being discussed later yesterday and this time of year guys are all over the place, vacation, family stuff. It can take time. Hell Palmari has been traded, or there is a deal in place for him to gonto the Devils, but they want to tell him first and couldn't get ahold of him over in Europe. So that stuff happens. I would love to know however, if Hayes did say he wouldn't play for the qualifying offer anyplace than I kinda get it, don't want to trade Talbot for a guy that holds out.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:23 am EST

WILD.... There are still a bunch of solid players left in the draft. Guys that could be sleepers. Maybe not help for now, but when one of our guys wants more money down the road they could be solid replacements( a la Chicago) for when we need to trade them... Florida still has two 3rd round picks, I might be willing to take both and Hayes(depending who's available at that time in the draft :) ....Stevie.... Brooks is making a lot of assumptions. If we got Hayes, I'm sure we wouldn't be done dealing. But then again, that's just me making an assumption.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:18 am EST

Did the genius bother to talk to j Hayes agent? ...it's fairly obvious Sather doesn't have a deal yet or it would have been announced. Hopefully he makes a decent one or doesn't make one ..... If what lb says about msl not being happy with how he was used is true , goodbye don't let the door hit you in your ass , it already hit you in the head. .... Assinity reigns ....maybe he should read the article and the numbers comparison of who he was traded for , never mind the overpayment that got steve y the award for pulling sathers pants down and exposing York's description of his fruit of the loom club...is veenknow still grinning for the cameras? Maybe he was named king of the loom last night ....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:15 am EST

That's twice my post has hit twice. Not sure why.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:14 am EST

Rhet: what about a 3rd this year and a second next year (the 3rd being payment to have to wait for the second round asset) as part of the deal? For me a 2nd rounder is 3 years away at least most likely, so will not have much if any impact on this current cup window, so in reality to me at least this years draft or next years draft is OK. Add to that if Sather does give up the GM role, it would leave the new GM with more assets to use for actually picking players or trades to build the team how he sees fit.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:14 am EST

Rhet: what about a 3rd this year and a second next year (the 3rd being payment to have to wait for the second round asset) as part of the deal? For me a 2nd rounder is 3 years away at least most likely, so will not have much if any impact on this current cup window, so in reality to me at least this years draft or next years draft is OK. Add to that if Sather does give up the GM role, it would leave the new GM with more assets to use for actually picking players or trades to build the team how he sees fit.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:11 am EST

Reading the article that brooks wrote makes it sound more like a Hayes offer from Florida is on the table, and Sather may be interested if Hayes would be willing to play next season at his qualifying offer (or I imagine 1 year very close to it but a little over) Brooks also says Calgary will be developing and submitting a new offer today. So here we go again.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:08 am EST

WILD.... I'm not sure how I feel about Jimmy. Sure, he'll drop the gloves every once in a while, but he's yet another guy that doesn't play very physical(just like his brother). IMO, these guys are too damn big to not be physical. JMO, but I would like a 2nd Round pick and Florida doesn't have one. .....Hospo.... I'm not sure what you saw about Hayes in the playoffs that makes you think he'd be a decent replacement for either Stepan or Brassard, but if you want to have a shot at winning a cup you can't afford to get rid of either player without getting a replacement at center. BTW, IMO, Hayes looked better on the wing in the postseason.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 7:00 am EST

Hospo: Your view that Sather is out of touch with most of the younger GM's in the league seems to me to be the most insightful and accurate analysis that has come out of this fiasco. Clearly Talbot will leave and there has to be some restocking because when the decline comes it will be steep and long. Today counts but it is responsible to plan for continued success. That said a young ready now player would fit that need. It appears we are left here holding an empty bag. That may change but I still think that Sather has reached his sell by date and a new face needs to be brought in. PS Does anyone believe Boston's moves advanced their team? They brought back Sathers pal Sinden for guidance. There comes a time when it is imperative that you turn a page.

gene_carr


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:47 am EST

Another thing. Sather could always re-visit a J. Hayes trade. Perhaps at the time it seemed like a nonstarter, but post day 1 maybe they decide one of their RFAs could be sent back to FLA or in another deal and they go that route. Not that it will happen, but for a trade like that there isn't really a deadline of a certain time yesterday or today.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:38 am EST

"Being so please heed in" should read "being so plugged in"

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:37 am EST

RHET: I wonder what J. Hayes wants. It its 1.5 I imagine it could be worked out...but if he wants 2.5-3 that would be a serious issue...I think I would move someone else to fit him however, just not sure who. Depending on how much he wants, that there may be the deal I wanted...well...and once a deal is made seeing the return from the actual deal may be better, but still, would have loved another big wing even though he doesn't bang around a lot it's still better to have that kind of size over not having it.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:32 am EST

YORK: more than half the rumors said they didn't think Sather would get a first. Most rumors said a second and one said 2 second rounders. Why is it after the first round is over we know he didn't get a good trade? It's insanity. I'm not kissing anyone's butt, I'm only saying to wait until the trade is made. This judgment of something before its done is asinine. So. Being so please heed in. How many times did the other GMs demand some added and silly, like Kreider or Hayes of Skjei? I am sure that happened. We have everyone saying if Lehner could get a first rounder Sather better get one, but that when he doesn't he overplayed his hand. So which is it? He was bad for not getting a first...or he should have jumped at one of the other trades?

Wildcard


Sat Jun 27 2015 6:19 am EST

The Florida Panthers offered Jimmy Hayes, the 25-year-old brother of Kevin Hayes, to the Rangers as part of a package to try and acquire Cam Talbot. (NY Post) Jimmy Hayes is an RFA who is seeking a “more expensive multi-year deal” over his qualifying offer of $971,000. (NY Post) Larry Brooks says that acquiring Hayes and giving him a new deal would likely not fit in the Rangers current cap situation but if he is willing to “play on a qualifier, there might be something there.” (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:55 am EST

I was starting to get as upset as others yesterday that we didn't get a first - then realized I never really wanted a draft pick for Talbot - unless we were going to trade it. I want a roster player, I want a power forward or a dman with "bite" for NOW. I want to go for the cup. What I wanted was for us to have a number 1 to deal for a tried and true center - one that could take face offs preferably. So I guess Im really not that upset. Still glad Im not Boston.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:43 am EST

Sather needs to stop thinking he is more then what he is, his trade record is not very good from Gretzky to MSL he gives way more then he gets back 90% of the time. Talbot is good yes but here is the reality hrs not Patrick Roy, he's not bringing back the huge haul we would all like and this BS coached by allaire is worthless because howmany goalies have cups without his help? A lot, you want to get a haul you move Hank not talbot, nit going to happen. Bottom line is the two seconds he was offered for a guy who hasn't even played a full season was rather good considering the fourth overall last year only brought back a first and a second. Finally my god bruins fans must be going nuts right now.

York18


Sat Jun 27 2015 5:33 am EST

Wild I'm dialed in enough and smart enough to know sather over played his hand and even his assistant is starting to call out his stupid moves in public. You need go stop kissing sathers butt with young there it's so crowded the fruit of the loom guys had to move out.

York18


Sat Jun 27 2015 1:07 am EST

Couple things: While I understand and agree with the disappointment over the Rangers not getting a first-rounder, they also apparently stuck to their guns. And in this case, it's a good thing. TALBOT is a proven commodity, a good goaltender and someone worth sincere deliberation. While it would have been nice to have had a soldier in this years' first round, I really didn't see anyone I really wanted too badly outside of the top-15. Go Islanders. Trade away the former 4th overall pick for a mid-first rounder and a second rounder? Way to go. Lastly, at least we're not Bruins fans.

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:27 pm EST

ANd I won't say the name of the first guy that strangely came to mind

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:17 pm EST

VIC - Good vid...I wouldn't classify him as a playmaking center! Guy is big, skilled fast and real strong on his skates..plays with emotion too....WOuldn't bother me at all...Love to watch him in some full games to get a real sense though

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:08 pm EST

Last year he was listed at 6'1" 210 lbs as a 19 year old. He isn't physically punishing but he is strong and doesn't appear to be afraid to go to the net. Here is a video of highlights from the 2013-2014 junior season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR-F14cK1Y

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:56 pm EST

We need size, with some nasty, and guys who want to shoot the friggin puck!

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:55 pm EST

Cap-wise and roster-wise the Rangers have painted themselves into a corner but so far have been too stupid or stubborn to go out by the open window. And overall Sather seems to makes all his moves in a vacuum and does not see or care how it affects other parts or things down the line. He must suck at chess.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:50 pm EST

VIC - If DRAI is a play-making center, I don't want any part of him....I think we already have three...A center that can score a little bit more with a two way game would be more up my alley..as would a winger that could scorte

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:48 pm EST

VIC - I can't comment on the this DRAI savior, I know nothing about him...But we agree on this other Stuff..I truly would trade Stepan (redundant with Brass and Hayes) and/or NASH..at least get one good younger and lower priced NHLer that could fit Ranger needs and loosen the Cap strings..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:47 pm EST

http://thehockeywriters.com/is-leon-draisaitl-the-odd-man-out-in-edmonton/

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:44 pm EST

Trade-able.........damn autocorrect.....

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:42 pm EST

HOSPO: DRAISAITL is the guy that many of us here wanted the Rangers to acquire in the TALBOT deal. He isn't being shopped and isn't necessarily available. What he is, though, is a young inexperienced playmaking Center in an organization that now has 2 others just like him. In fact, the two guys ahead of him were taken first overall in the draft (RNH and McDAVID). The Oilers don't need him and he is a very traceable commodity for them. A good GM would have used this opportunity to pry him out of Edmonton.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:42 pm EST

Wild....you really think if we stay with this roster we win the CUP, meaning we actually re-sign all our RFA's and Zuc makes a full recovery? That's delusional.....

MelvilleFred


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:41 pm EST

WILD - really, do you really give a shit about 2016 picks that might help by 2019? Not me...... this is a team that despite beign the richest and very desireable, has done jack shit in 21 years..It needs to win in the next few years while an admittiedly strong core exists, including a 32???? year KIng goalie who will start slipping soon...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:38 pm EST

HOSPO: I totally agree. You know my biggest beef with this organization for over 10 years now is the lack of an elite #1 Center. IMHO it is been the biggest reason that they have not been able to win a Cup. They don't have a CROSBY, TOEWS, KOPITAR, etc. player up the middle. That is why I want a guy like DRAI in this deal and am willing to part with STEPAN/BRASSARD. The fact is that the Rangers are up against the Cap pretty badly. If they resign STEPAN they aren't going to be able to resign HAGS and in my opinion it weakens the team instead of making it stronger. So, there not only isn't any money to sign a guy like SHAW (if he were a UFA) they can't even bring back the full team they had last season. Something has to give. And nobody is going to take GLASS or BOYLE off the Rangers hands even if BOYLE agreed to a deal.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:36 pm EST

By the way, why have so many peopled been mentiong this DRAI, whatever he is......Is he the current JESUS JILLSON? Was he ever linked to the Rangers or just a dream-virus run amuck? :)

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:33 pm EST

VIC: only one team in search of a goali got one...BUF, and by all accounts they got their top rated guy....the rest are still searching. And once again. There are plenty of 2016 picks left for them to trade for talbot.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:31 pm EST

Mfred I'll stick with nicks paper thin difference the last 2 years but my patience is getting real thin too.... I'd rather have no rumors than all this talbot bs...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:31 pm EST

And I fully expect if they can win the cup next year...and Yandle has a big part of it that all you Sather badgers will send him an apology? Probably not, most will gripe that it's just 1 cup and if he was smarter it could be 2 or 3.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:30 pm EST

You know, the only thing that dissapoints me more then this team is that as frustrated as we are as fans it lead to some of the posts here tonight. Let it go. Life is too short to bicker over things that are well out of our control. As for the current situation, TALBOT will be moved. I'm not sad to see that it wasn't for picks (at least not yet) if the return is what I wanted in the first place. STEPAN/BRASSARD and TALBOT for DRAI and I am as happy as a pig in shit. But I fear that SATHER spent too much time trying to undo the damage that he has caused over the last few years and the window on any deal for DRAI is now closed. TALBOT's value has dropped after the deals today. No other way to look at it. Either teams have acquired a goaltender or have traded away what the Rangers would have wanted in return.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:30 pm EST

VIC - "as they Stand" .I agree but...personally, I think this team needs to change (i'e', a significant player or two) if it really wants to WIN THE CUP..I don't see Brass-Step-Hayes down the middle winning the CUp, I just don't..Now, you wanna free up some moneyand change the dynamic/somposition with dealing players like Nash, Step , I'm all for it....Otherwise it's going to be another close but no freaking cigar!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:30 pm EST

Fred: Fact. You nor I have any idea if this team will win the cup. Young players another year older. New blood coming in. And who knows about injury "luck" next season. But TBL just LOST in the SCF....if that means they can win it, than so can the Rangers....oh and people said the same things about Detroit when the went to the SCF and list, the best year they went to the WCF and lost and people questioned if they could get over the hump...they went on to win back to back cups with largely the same team. The top 5-6 teams are so close any one of them can beat the other any given night.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:26 pm EST

Hospo Sather night think analytics is going to a shrink or checking his rectum ... Could be twins for him... Maybe he's nuts and stupid like almost all of us ... Except you know who....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:25 pm EST

Wild.....please refer to Bob's quote from Sather. "If I had the Rangers budget I'd win a Cup every year"! I could give a shit about trading picks as long as he had brought us even 1, as in 1 CUP. Do you see a CUP anywhere? As for Nicks comment regarding TBL they will be a force for the next several years. We will not win a CUP with this current team it's built like the Emil Francis teams good but not good enough.....fact

MelvilleFred


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:24 pm EST

Stevie: no not everyone is going off the deep End and saying Sather blew the talbot trade.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:23 pm EST

HOSPO: SHAW is an RFA. I posted back in early January that there was some speculation about the possibility of a SHAW/MZA swap at the deadline. Everyone here nearly had a heart attack. But, as it turns out the Rangers didn't have MZA in the playoffs anyway and had they had SHAW who knows how things would have gone for both the Rangers and Chicago. But, even if SHAW was a UFA now the Rangers couldn't afford to sign him as things stand. As much as I would love to have him on this team it isn't going to happen.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:21 pm EST

Wild yea everyone here is stupid and nuts but not you...go stamp your feet...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:21 pm EST

HOSPO: a good thing to ponder. I also wonder if teams really liked this draft and didn't want to risk a first on a UFA to be...that's why I have wondered about a conditional pick for next year. Who knows but if Sather wasn't stuck on a first this year he could still get 100% of what he wants...just with the pick/picks delayed a year. Not what was expected, but at the same time lots of rumors were that it may not get done today anyway so I'm not shocked, can't figure out why so many are.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:20 pm EST

I remember people bitching when Smith was here for 10 years and won just one cup. How good does he look now after 16 years of Sather? Come on, 7-8 years to make the team competitive again? B.S.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:20 pm EST

.....and for the love of God stop trading Klein....

MelvilleFred


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:18 pm EST

Nick for sure TBL is a great team. But the point I was making is that the second Sather trades a pick he is terrible...but Stevie Y trades 2 firsts and he's a genius for doing it. People just want to hate Sather, like I said he could find a way to a first next year that ends up number 1 overal and some would rip him somehow....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:17 pm EST

So, now that we still have Talbot I say keep him. We should try to pry Lucic from LA.

MelvilleFred


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:17 pm EST

STEVIE- Serioulsy, more and more there is a new breed of GMs in the league, just like in baseball, while Sather OTOH is a fossil...More than likley they don't like or feel comfortable dealing with Sather...It's well dcumneted in baseball with the stathead GMs and I see no reason why it wouldn't be so in the NHL...They need to make GORTON the man pronto

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:17 pm EST

Sather is living/working in a smartphone world but still trying to figure out his VCR and answering machine. How do you rewind the tape again?

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:16 pm EST

Stevie: oh ok sure whatever you say. So is that the same reason you pull the same childish be with others? Hmmm. I'm going to guess yes. I get tired of having little children start poking and prodding and ripping anyone who doesn't automatically rip Sather to shreds and wants to 1- point out a positive or 2- simply wants to wait to see the outcome of something before they decide. It's childish and immature beyond words. The total bs of how you and others treat anyone who doesn't agree is getting beyond old. And God forbid I say something to counter it. Oh no no no can't do that. Makes me a stroker or makes me someone who thinks the opinion is worth more. No my opinion isn't worth any lord than the next poster...HOWEVER when someone puts a final grade on something that's not even done...well that's not an opinion. That's just plane stupid. Again. When this is all figured out, and we know the outcome of this talbot situation I will decide how I feel Sather did with it. He may screw it up but until he does I'm not going to say he did or didn't.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:13 pm EST

RHET -And that SATHER couldn't get a deal done, when he really needed to, could possibly mean Sather has read the market wrong, doesn't work well/comfortably with with his trade partners anymore and just may not be adapting well enough (too stubborn) in the trade process...Doesn't really matter, it's his job to accomplish t a deal the team wanted done

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:09 pm EST

Hospo maybe he'll finally figure out its way past time for him to stop being the gm..... Pompous he will never give up....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:09 pm EST

Wild, you are more patient than most. Maybe Slats will turn Cam into something useful. As for Yzerman v Sather ... While no one can see the future (despite my post on the 2994 Cup) it would seem TB has a much brighter window right now, with Stamkos and Hedman, the kind of bona fide No. 1 center and d-man we lack. And a young goalie. Ours is approaching the downside apart from anything else I could say about him that few here will agree with.

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:09 pm EST

Craig Custance ...... Dallas still interested in Cam Talbot but have reached out on a few other goalies. Looking for a 1A, 1B w/Kari Lehtonen. .........Per the Edmonton Oilers ......... "There's a couple for trade and 3 or 4 available through free agency. We've got our sights on some guys." #Oilers GM Chiarelli on goalies

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:08 pm EST

Definitely something to that, Hospo. But Sather should have retired 10+ years ago and would have if not for Jimmy Boy.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:07 pm EST

Bottom line world. No championships in 16 years after declaring that "If I had the Rangers money, I would win every year." Days like this, and the past few years are perfect examples of why. This man cannot retire quickly enough. The stories of the absurd Rangers demands are already circulating. The league gave him the finger. Now that Bob Gainey has retired, Sather gets worked by every GM out there. Doug Wilson, Don Maloney, Steve Yzerman, and so on.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:06 pm EST

Wild when you stop being an ass calling people names . Just giving you a dose of what you sound like. You can be loyal just like all here are in their own way. But you start with the name calling like your 5 in many of your posts. Than you cry about it. Wan wan wan ....I'm not interested in being right I'm interested in the nyr being right.... So far no cigar cup ...maybe this maybe that ... Dream on....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:02 pm EST

OK,not a criticism of Sather's record over the years or even the Talbot situation (well, maybe a little),, but just looking at and listening to all the GMs around the League today.....Flat out, Sather is in a different world and from a different time....Maybe even too old and diffefrent to be effective as a trade partner? ---it happens...........Not a risk the vRangers should be taking any more and the.Rangers desperately need to get somebody else/a younger mind in total charge,,..even if the dumbass owner would never consider it

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:00 pm EST

So what was VeenYo doing all that smiling for? Did he drop some acid or was he hiding Sather's pud?

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:00 pm EST

RF4L: you just remember you said "when they go south" not if. Do t try to turn it around if they get s good haul for Talbot and win the cup next year. Oh I am sure you will. You can't even admit you were the loudest McDavid to the Lifhtning voice in the world all summer after the MSL trade.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:59 pm EST

Steve Zipay &#8207;...... BTW, the Rangers did try to swing deals, but couldn't get the right matches

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:58 pm EST

Stevie: the entire hockey world expects him to be gone. Quit with the child like numbers crap. And the other immature BS. Grow up already. Your making arguments that hold water as well as a butterfly net. Again. Let's wait and see what actually happens. Not what your narrow minded view of the Rangers and Sather makes up as future facts.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:56 pm EST

Luckily that part was left out, but he did try and score on the blue hair's five hole.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:56 pm EST

exposed? hell it probably fell off if he was doing all the pulling you said!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:56 pm EST

RF4L: there have been rumors all day that he wouldn't get a first in this draft for talbot. The idea of a second rounder and a prospect has been the most common. That can still happen. And he could still get a 2016 first. Would have the same impact on next season as a first in this draft...meaning none...again. Let's wait and see. If he gets nothing for him I'll start the fire Sather bus up and drive it over to MSG. But I don't jump to conclusions and act like an ass.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:55 pm EST

Wild your color so far is shit brown... And you're full of it.... Again screw picks .., results .... Guess you missed that. Like you probably missed I think keeping talbot is good insurance .... You claimed he's gone ... Will that be by tomorrow ? .... 30/60/90/120? .... Oh I forgot your opinion is better ....squirrel on ...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:55 pm EST

Hey, is SHAW of CHI a FA? Not that we have cap room for him...yet......TLABOT to DALLAS for a 2nd (do they have one?) and Roussel...Maybe throw KLEIN in on the Rangers end and something else on Dallas's end

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:54 pm EST

Wild: LOL....just be here when things go south (although I am willing to bet my LoC you won't be).

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:53 pm EST

NYStranger; Did they report if his pud was exposed?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:52 pm EST

Oopps...Sather's MO is to hide and say nothing.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:50 pm EST

Rhet: Hope Zipay is right but all day long those nobs tweeted shit that didn't come to fruition. Sather's MO the last few years, after being lambasted, rightfully so, by the hockey media for his futility as a GM for 20+ years (which includes making the Rangers the laughing stock of NA pro sports). All fine - but geesh man, how long are you gonna lean on the McD deal as evidence you know how to trade for assets? His track record for the opposite (youth/picks for vets) we know is terrible. He sucks....

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:50 pm EST

RHET - Thanks alot! What a haul to go to sleep on! Prospect proabbly a 5'11'' finessey passing center who can't take FOs..but has Ranger character! alright, i'm getting silly

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:48 pm EST

RF4L. Your showing your true colors. So are you Stevie. RF4L: you point to trading ANY first as bad. But StevieY trades two in one draft and it's A-OK! Nothing wrong with it because how great he manages the team...but part of Sathers mismanagement is trading first rounders. But TBL can trade 2 firsts a second and a 3rd in the same draft and be super duper. That's called a double standard.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:48 pm EST

This just in...Sather, cigar in mouth, was spotted in a bingo parlor somewhere in south Florida, a blue hair on each arm, throwing dollar bills around like 1st round draft picks.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:46 pm EST

Rhet these guys have so many rumors I might as well pull one out of my ass too... Guess reliable went out the window...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:45 pm EST

Should be Steve Zipay...

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:44 pm EST

Bob. Your ready to throw in the towel Because Sather didn't get a first for talbot...but the TBL having a bunch of picks on day two makes them good? What? So if Sather gets 2 seconds for talbot and they have 8 picks suddenly Sather is good? Come on...it's either trading away first rounders is stupid or it's not. If trading away 1 from this draft is dumb, than it's beyond insanity to trade 2 of them.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:44 pm EST

Which other NHL team has tossed away more #1's and 2's in the past 5 years? Stevie Y? Anyone? Sather's eff ups have made this a more critical issue. Happens when you trade picks to go for it and FAIL to get it done. The facts are what they are.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:43 pm EST

SNY thinks SJ tomorrow pick 39 plus a prospect and possible 2016 pick

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:42 pm EST

It is not trading just this first rounder for MSL that is the problem,wild, it is the accumulated firsts that have been traded. The genius gambled and lost. No Cup. Let us hope that he did not loose out with Talbot as well. The Cap will eventually force the Rangers into moves but that is when you get the shit end of the stick.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:42 pm EST

Wild I think Sather had a movement coming so he left the building with his entourage to find a toilet... Better than shitting the bed or his pants? Depends? ... I don't give 2 shits about picks . I'm interested in results ... Screw the pipeline .... All I know is the nyr better be in the finals next year and win them ....with or without talbot ....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:41 pm EST

Yeah and to compare the Tampa franchise to the Rangers and imply that the latter are in better shape/managed better is broaching the rarely experienced realm of asininity.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:41 pm EST

Chiarelli said it's 50/50 Oilers make a trade tomorrow, potentially for goalie

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:40 pm EST

I don't hide and change my story when I'm wrong. Not like a certain someone who talked about the Rangers first rounder this year being a lottery pick perhaps because the Rangers would only be able to sneak into the playoffs than later said they never actually said that.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:38 pm EST

Bob: without MSL the rangers are like 1 year older...the Rangers have one of the youngest vote groups in the NHL....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:38 pm EST

Wild: Like I just said - critique me all you want right now; if you aren't here when/if it goes to shit, shame on you and it'll be evidence about who you really are. I say if because being the gracious individual I am, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:37 pm EST

Stevie: so Stevie Y is great because he won the GM award...so trading not one but 2 first rounders this year is ok. Sather only came in second in the award voting so he sucks for trading 1 pick this year away. Ok. Got it. As long as a GM isn't names Sather he can trade a first rounder. You do realize 30% or so of the first rounders were moved. Some more than once.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:36 pm EST

WILD--Tampa has a very young team, and they have 10 selections tomorrow. You want to compare the Rangers to them? The Rangers may never beat them.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:36 pm EST

Hospo is peachy creamy off the board ? Far out man wild is far out ....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:36 pm EST

So what will LB be reporting/tweeting now/next?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:36 pm EST

I can see it now....Talbot goes UFA, we loose him for nothing, and he signs with the Iceholes! Too horrible to ponder.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:35 pm EST

RF4L: your constant drivvel of everything Sather does is terrible is getting old. If he was able to get a first in next years draft and it beefed up winning the lottery you wou find some way of saying how terrible Sather was for not getting the top two picks. The thing you have hoped and prayed for happened. That the first round would go past with no Rangers pick. Just like you prayed for no cup and MSL to be gone all so you could parade around saying how terrible Sather is. Again. Sather gets crap for Talbot I'll be pissed...but guess what genius...we have no idea yet. Let's things play out before you spout off.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:34 pm EST

Wild so Stevie y sucks too that why he got the award ... Most gms are fig newtons of their imagination...the nyr have left the building with the talbot card in their pocket...off to play pocket pool....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:34 pm EST

Wild: Your stroking all things Sather is really amusing. I will say this: I am here good or bad and absorb the sometimes deserved retorts from folks like you; given your endless defense of Sather, often to the point where you are rude, you'd better be here to continue that defense if/when the walls come crumbling down. Something tells me, however, you'll be nowhere to be found on here.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:34 pm EST

WILD - As some that criticize Sather are or should also be open to other and better possibiites, can you also be at least a little more realisitic too and not assume every move will work out peachy neato kean???

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:30 pm EST

When the oilers do something with all those picks let me know... So far not so good ... They need the prince... Sather has them right where he wants them....just ask him

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:30 pm EST

After the first round of the draft, Cam Talbot remains with the New York Rangers. None of the teams interested in Talbot, Edmonton, Dallas, Calgary and Florida, acquired a goalie in the first round. Edmonton traded the 33rd pick but still has the 57th pick in the second round. San Jose has pick 39, Dallas has pick 49 and Florida doesn’t have a second round pick.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:30 pm EST

Rangers left the table quickly because Sather is exhausted from all that pud pulling.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:30 pm EST

Well the good thing is that the next time the R angers suck enough for a low 1st round pick Sather will probably be dead of old age and not just playing dead

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:29 pm EST

RF4L: so what do you think of Tampa? They had 2 picks in this first round and have zero selections. Oh wait. That doesn't feed into your Sather sucks monologue so it's probably s good thing that they did right

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:28 pm EST

Um, why did the Rangers even show up tonight if not to do a circle jerk when the cameras were't watching..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:28 pm EST

Steve Zipay &#8207;..... Rangers vacating draft table fairly quickly....They'll be back at 10 a.m..... Per Andrew Gross &#8207;.......Perfect, NBCSN cuts back to draft after Arizona had already made 30th pick, just so Liam could send it back to track and field

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:27 pm EST

Bob. They will have the money to keep yandle...Boyle 4.5 comes off the books. B. Boyle left for a better opportunity at playing a bigger role he wasn't going to get that with the Rangers...and we STILL don't know what he will do trade wise

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:27 pm EST

BOB - But you still have one of the best teams in the game which should mandate that, if you are throwing picks away, at least do all you can to be the best team you can THIS YEAR.....EH, still holding out some hope TALBOT will be part of a Package deal becasie the Rangers have some tinkering/changing (roster wise and cap wise)to do for a better team

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:27 pm EST

Wild 30/60/90?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:26 pm EST

Second consecutive first round shutout experienced by the New York Rangers due to the Master Architect's ridiculously stupid acquisition of Martin St Louis. OMG, just retire you piece of shit.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:26 pm EST

At least some teams are trading .... Sather is chomping ....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:24 pm EST

ANA sends Kyle Palmieri to NJ for the 41st pick and a 2016 selection.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:24 pm EST

Where's rangerlou and the sharts?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:23 pm EST

RF4L - Dman you have a fixation on Sather's pud!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:23 pm EST

1994 was 21 years ago and counting. Sather has been the grand poobah for 16 years. Zero cups. He has mortgaged the future for the past few years. No cups. Defend him all you want, but the McD trade was a long time ago. He totally mismanaged Both Boyles and Stralman. The Clowe deal was silly. So was the MSL deal and now the Yandle deal, as they will not have the $ to keep him long term and they did not win. The prospect cupboard is very thin.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:22 pm EST

gene: And extensions for Sather's pud....

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:22 pm EST

NBC Sports Network cuts off the NHL Draft with one pick to go in the first round -- the Coyotes' pick.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:22 pm EST

gene_carr - I know..Every time you hear the "and we have a trade.......the New York..........ISLANDERS.." too funny..just rubbung salt in a wound

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:21 pm EST

stevi: Dreager reporting that Rangers ordering out for suppositories.

gene_carr


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:21 pm EST

Great job NBC.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:20 pm EST

Damn, I like the guy that announces the CBJ draft picks..Reminds me of ex wrestler Waldo Von Erich! Took my mind of the Ranger clusterfudge for a minute

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:18 pm EST

I think Snow is playing us. He gets #16 which we thought might be ours and then trades for our pick given up to Tampa! I think the heat is on.

gene_carr


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:16 pm EST

Is veenknow smiling and standing still? Or was that a grimace ? .... Maybe the players for players deal will happen but what are they waiting for a commercial ? Or a dramatic pause ? ... How's talbot feeling right about now? .... Sloppy seconds? .... Oh please don't give me an avery ban nsa....humor ....can your computers laugh ?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:14 pm EST

Columbus acquires 29 from TOR.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:14 pm EST

So does this mean TBL is worse than the Rangers? They traded 2 first rounders from this years draft....Sather just traded 1.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:13 pm EST

now Eklund fanning it with the "nash in play -huh??

jim9k26


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:13 pm EST

Arthur Staple &#8207;..... #Isles select Anthony Beauvillier from Shawinigan (QMJHL) with NYR pick

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:12 pm EST

JFC: You just hit the nail on the head..THE MEDIA hyping him up. We don't know what the other teams think he is worth.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:11 pm EST

I don't think Sather has left himself a choice but to trade talbot ...letting teams talk to his agent did what ? .... He will get desperate if tonight and tomorrow pass....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:10 pm EST

I sure hope my second theory is why this deal hasn't be consummated - it's bigger than a 1st round pick.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:07 pm EST

Considering that Sather signed Talbot as an undrafted free agent, ANY first round pick would be a great return. However, there is still the nagging feeling that Sather went into this with a valuable commodity that he could turn into a HOME RUN return in a deep draft. And he still is on the clock with Talbot....I won't kill him until he officially deserves to get killed (just an analogy,NSA, just an analogy!). Yakupov would be an impressive haul for Talbot, then again so would Rousell....it all depends on a lot of stuff that we're not privy to. But again, I'll hold my fire until I see the final return. Part of the consternation has been the buildup and excitement about Dreger, McKenzie etc talking up Talbot scenarios do we all tuned I and saw nothing.

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:06 pm EST

Nick next cup is 2994 ? Wow can't wait .... Wild the wizard is behind the curtain... Don't look.... It ain't over til it's over.... It's déjà vu all over again... Nobody goes there anymore it's too crowded... 90% is mental the other half is physical ....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:06 pm EST

See either = Sather

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:05 pm EST

Wild I really do appreciate your positive outlook . However you can't get on this board and criticize us for feeling disappointed. See either had an asset that could've help replenish some of the picks we had given up in the past. As soon as the teams that need goalies made their picks tonight or in the oilers case traded them, Talbots market value went down drastically. I agree with you no one including yourself and especially me has any idea of the conversations between the general managers. However sather probably left some deals on the table and now we shouldn't expect anything of significance for Talbot

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:05 pm EST

We have no clue but I am pretty sure Sather has no clue as well. We will see but I am think the longer it goes on the less likely the possibility of a big (and good) trade.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:03 pm EST

If it's just Sather...why is it the other goalies supposedly being sought haven't moved? Other than BUF none of the teams who want a starter have gotten one and there are still a couple guys out there. If Sather had totally blown if those guys would be moving.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:02 pm EST

Nick, 2994? Did you travel into the future and see the Rangers win their next Cup?

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:01 pm EST

Some of you are nuts. We still have no clue what's going on behind the scenes. Amazing how everyone seems to be grading a trade that hasn't even happened yet

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:01 pm EST

Yes Wild we are unreasonably demanding. One Cup in 75 years and we complain. And we had all that fun between 1997 and 2005.

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:59 pm EST

Bob: so when does the trade freeze kick in? Wait...wait a trade can still be made?

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:59 pm EST

I'm willing to eat crow but Sather is still stroking. He has to trade Cam because next year he has zero value as a UFA; the Worlds Greatest Goalie will play 70 games, and ... whatever. Thank God I saw 2994.

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:58 pm EST

The best thing about not having any #1 picks is that Sather cannot trade them away again. Teams need goalies, and he got NOTHING done. That is the long and short of it.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:58 pm EST

I know they haven't traded him yet...but I'm sure the reaction would be something like that if they got a first next year for Talbot b

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:57 pm EST

Rangers fans ----> "what Sather traded next years first rounder! He sucks that's worth too much!" -----> "what he traded for a first rounder next year! He sucks! He needed to get one this year! This years draft is the greatest ever he missed the boat!"

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:54 pm EST

JFC: Sather might have come in looking for a first rounder...but the year may not have been as much of a priority. He may not have cared if it's this year or next. A first this year or next has the same impact on this upcoming season, so if he can still pull off a first it's still a win.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:51 pm EST

Wild -- as Hospo states, unless Sather can get a 1st round pick, we're simply better off getting a player who can help this team win NOW. It was no rumor that Sather went into this with a highly coveted commodity in Talbot....analysts were all over Talbot scenarios for weeks for a reason. Instead, so far we've been completely marginalized without our team name even being mentioned by any of the MSNBC analysts. There was a build up involving Talbot that can't be denied and so far it has been a huge let down. Sather absurdly needs to come through with an obvious WINNING trade considering the leverage he had going into this

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:49 pm EST

It doesn't have to be this years picks. It could be a prospect and a pick next year....again. What we have heard is limited

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:49 pm EST

Sather just got 3 picks one from his left one from his right nostril and one from his ass.... No wild I didn't mean you....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:46 pm EST

Yeah two second round picks in the 2025 draft! Yay!

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:46 pm EST

Wild I agree Sather is holding his nuts ... So when ? 30/60? .... Oilers already traded a second round pick ... So 2 seconds from them is gone... 30 seconds over Tokyo ....is it possible you're nuts or just almost everyone else ? ... Just answer instead of your bs nuts ... 30/60? .... September March June .... What are you peddling pubic relations in public ? ....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:44 pm EST

Most rumors have been "2nd rounders" "1st rounder" not "the number whatever" pick. In fact MOST of those numbers mentioned have been "not the 16" "not the 9" or whatnot.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:43 pm EST

You guys do know they can get picks in future drafts right. Doesn't have to be in this years draft. Again. Let's wait to see how it plays out instead of jumping to conclusions.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:42 pm EST

Maybe jimmy Dolan has been running both drafts. Hahaha

KIS


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:42 pm EST

At this point, a prospect is the best option. Nothing has to be the biggest downer in a long time All week long the speculation was fun and in the end, the best laid plans of mice and men.......

gene_carr


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:41 pm EST

KIS - TALBOT is known. TALBOT is Proven. Exactly why he should have been traded Becasue the other thing he is, is gone no later that JUly 1, 2016 no matter what....and his value only decreases....So, his only value this year is if the Ranger lose thier best player for a long time, but not the POs, a very limited scenario that likely won't happen two years ago,..I*f TALBOT wasn't enough to get what they wanted, something cap reducing should havve been added

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:41 pm EST

For what it's worth. Zippy says Rangers still talking with teams about Talbot...and others say it's no shock due to Rangers high asking price.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:41 pm EST

Yawn, maybe Sather is trying to outdo Phil Jackson in disappointing respective fan bases. Who knows, maybe Sather thought it was a elks lodge meeting he was at.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:40 pm EST

Steve Zipay &#8207;..... Rangers continue speaking with the teams interested in Talbot...

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:39 pm EST

Or that Sather should say "never mind. We will keep him and lose him for nothing"

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:38 pm EST

Bob: if it's Yak and a conditional 2016 for Talbot would you say Sather was bad still?

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:38 pm EST

Hospo: or the reason Talbots agent was given permission to speak with some teams was because they said they wouldn't give up so much for a one year deal, and Talbots agent said he wouldn't commit to anything beyond this next season right now....if that's the case his value would plummet...but again it could be a 2016 conditional pick instead of one this year based on him signing. It's still too early in this draft weekend to know. In fact more than one rumor was that it was a second and a player...that can still happen before tomorrow...or later in the draft if it's a 2nd with a condition of a first if he resigns along with a player. I always let thing play out before I "grade" things.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:37 pm EST

I think they should keep Cam now. Let the season play out. Hard to watch all of the deals go down today and the super genius gets nothing done.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:36 pm EST

It is also possible that Talbot's agent told teams that he is planning on going to UFA.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:33 pm EST

KIS: Thank you, I'm getting depressed as hell here. Now, there's still a chance to trade HANK. Thank G-d..... later people

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:33 pm EST

Just stopped laughing enough to post...Unless Talbot is traded for players (which still might happen) Sather screwed the St. Bernard with a valuble trade chip that was seen as the unanamous top goalie on the market and the guy that would start the dominoes...what has happened so far maybe indicates that Sather might have been too greedyin his demands, too much a dick and/or read the market poorly...Eithe way he screwed up....At this point,you might as well just keep him as a cap draining piece of insurance rather then deal for some 2nd and 3rd rounders question marks..JMWO of course...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:33 pm EST

JFC: I'm on the fence about the possibility of Yak....like I understand he could be really good, but I'm worried he won't be.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:32 pm EST

Sometimes the deals that don't get done are the ones that are best for the team. These are all kids. They aren't known Edmonton has been picking first forever and they still suck. Talbot is known. He is proven. The king is 33. If he gets hurt who is going in the goal? Don't be in suck a rush to get rid of talbot.

KIS


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:32 pm EST

No movement at the Rangers' table right now. No flipping through notes. No talking. Just sitting silently.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:32 pm EST

Getting Yakupov would be like getting 1st round pick...he's only 21

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:30 pm EST

Yakupov could still be a possibility....Oilers still need a goali and could use another D-man....and the Rangets could use a scoring RW to replace MSL

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:27 pm EST

Chris Johnston..... The #Leafs are still discussing the possibility of trading the 24th pick. The clock is ticking.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:25 pm EST

JFC. It's up to Bettmen to announce picks...he could sit on it and if no one talks we wouldn't know. But I kinda doubt that's the case

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:24 pm EST

Rhet: that thinking the same thing with the Bruins. Everyone expected them to move up....and their 3rd pick was off the board some

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:23 pm EST

I can't imagine the Rangers have a done deal and wouldn't simply announce it....if you have a deal you're happy with, you call it in, you consummate it before anyone changes their mind.

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:22 pm EST

One thing is for sure, If I'm a Bruins fans, I'd be very underwhelmed after tonight.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:20 pm EST

Stevie. I'll decide once we see what happens. Deciding at pick 19 that he hasn't gotten a good deal for him is nuts.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:20 pm EST

There are other possibilities for the NYR: 1-we're trading player(s) for player(s) or 2-We traded Cam for two second rounders. There will be some very good players available in the 2nd round.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:20 pm EST

Well - this is the price of going for it with Clowe, St. Louis, and Yandle. There is value in stability and putting the same team out for next year may be best. We will have to go through some mediocre years or maybe take a step back by trading for picks next year. Anyway - for the short term - we should be ok. Should be

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:18 pm EST

RF4L: If. If it turns out he missed out I'll be pissed. But stop the high and mighty look at me I was write Sather sucks bs. You have zero clue what actually has been going on. A couple hours ago a late first was a great get...now at 19 Sather sucks. So what if he gets the oilers first rounder next year. Will he still suck? Let's wait to actually find out what happens before we pass judgement.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:18 pm EST

Wild sure looks like Sather got screwed.... Let's us know when you agree... The prince is still a nyr .... Want to wait until 30 picks are gone? Or 60? .... Maybe veenknow has hemorrhoids or he shit his diapers ... you can't sit down you can't sit down got to move move round and round.... How many rounds ?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:17 pm EST

BUFFALO overpayed for him and it was a trade made between UNCLE and NEPHEW. CHIA said he wasn't trading the 16 pick for a goalie; Guess the other RUMORED teams didn't think he was worth a first.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:15 pm EST

Whatever wild...stroke away. Signing off tonight....so disappointing. So Sather. So Rangers.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:15 pm EST

Louie DeBrusk......Steve Rice....and Bernie Nichols for Mark Mesier

jnyr


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:14 pm EST

BTW, sitting thru this anticipating the Rangers will get a first via the Talbot trade. How disappointing. How Glen piece of shit Sather. This, for me, mirrors all these PO runs - so much excitement and anticipation and then in the end, no cigar. Gawd, this antiquated piece of has-been is 0 for 24 when it comes to architected a cup winner. Go to hell and retire.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:14 pm EST

York. Again. How do you know? If your so plugged in what were the hard for sure 100% offers for Talbot.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:13 pm EST

RF4L: what would the Rangers have traded them. They wanted Lehner, they had him ranked above Talbot. If OTT said no maybe he could have...but you can't force a team to deal with you if your guy is t the one they want.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:12 pm EST

As I said earlier sather played the game too long and now he's sitting like a fool.

York18


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:12 pm EST

We don't knock w if Sather missed out or not...all we have is rumors.....if those were off or totally wrong it may mean The deal will still be going down.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:10 pm EST

Wild: Too bad Sather was too busy with his pud to notice that trend....

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:08 pm EST

LOLOLOL.....

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:08 pm EST

Bob. I've noticed a trend. BUF over pays in trades. Lehner than ROR.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:08 pm EST

Bob. I've noticed a trend. BUF over pays in trades. Lehner than ROR.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:07 pm EST

Sather appears to have overplayed his hand again. Maybe that's good considering the MSL, Clowe and Yandle deals.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:07 pm EST

Let's wait till the first round is over before we decide Sather did nothing. Also. If it turned out the oils 1st rounder in 16 was part of it would anybody really be upset?

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:06 pm EST

Gene... You missed it. They had a wicked round of musical chairs before the draft and AV was the odd man out. He now has to stand for the rest of the draft.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:06 pm EST

Yeah. Like Robin Lehner.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:06 pm EST

NN....please go back to a few hours ago and note that Robin Lehner (plus a stupid contract) fetched the 21st overall.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:05 pm EST

For those expecting a 1st rounder back for Talbot; please go back and look at what most goalies bring back in trades. 2nd-4th rounder and a player seems to be the going rate.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:01 pm EST

Yakupov and #57 to NYR :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:01 pm EST

Did AV sit down yet?

gene_carr


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:01 pm EST

Oh well.......those #1 picks are just not that important. After all, we will go 4 straight years without one. I say keep Cam to start the season. Imagine if he killed this himself by telling the clubs that he was going to be a UFA. Rangers should keep him........he has value and is insurance for a club making a cup run. Then he can go UFA after another 20 games played.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:00 pm EST

Well when the novelty wears off in Brooklyn, Quebec will have a good team. I kind of had a feeling the Rangers weren't going to make any trades.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:59 pm EST

Maybe the Oilers valued Reinhart more than Talbot. Absolutely nothing Sather could do.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:59 pm EST

The Isles biggest weakness is defense and they just traded more of it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:58 pm EST

BTW, that pick by the Islanders was great. Brooklin what the phucks will be running all over the Rangers very very very soon.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:57 pm EST

Oh, well....we could be the Bruins! What a mess that is!

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:57 pm EST

Oof. The Oilers really peed in our Cheerios. Not only did nothing materialize...they trade their next two picks to the Isles. Sather must have really been a prick to them.

Shaggy


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:57 pm EST

JCF: Maybe that's because Sather feel asleep due to too much attention on his pud.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:56 pm EST

Rhet: Yup, Mike Richards for a whole lotta money

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:56 pm EST

May as well hang on to Cam now.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:56 pm EST

More than one person wondering if the Rangers are going to end up with a 2016 first rounder....or I wonder if it will be a conditional pick plus. So s first if he signs a second if he doesn't type thing. Lots of possibilities here.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:55 pm EST

Darren Dreger........ Any speculation of the Bruins potentially trading Tuukka Rask should stop. Don Sweeney says emphatically he's not trading him. No surprise.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:55 pm EST

All the buildup for this??? All the activity being quotes by Dreger, McKenzie blah, blah, blah....and then from 7 PM on, not one mention of the NY Rangers....not even a mention!

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:54 pm EST

LA Kings are also rumored to be working on another trade.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:53 pm EST

OBVIOUSLY, most teams didn't think TALBOT was worth a 1st rounder as most goalies are not. Just go back and look what goalies have been traded for.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:53 pm EST

Rather should have retired before the draft. Wait.......maybe he did.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:52 pm EST

Great trade by the Islanders.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:51 pm EST

GRIFFIN REINHART: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9496

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:51 pm EST

What in the wide wide world of sports is goin in here??!!!

Shaggy


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:51 pm EST

@#$% of all teams...

WIOSA


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:51 pm EST

Edmonton's 16 and 33 to the Islanders and we still have Cam Talbot. Wonderful.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:51 pm EST

WOW..with the EDM/NYI trade.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:51 pm EST

Mutha Fer!!!!!!!!

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:50 pm EST

LOLOL....LOLOLOL...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:50 pm EST

So oilers trade First pick to New York,...islAnders

ColoradoMark


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:50 pm EST

we have a trade

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:50 pm EST

Arthur Staple &#8207;...... #Isles have acquired the 16th pick from EDM. Waiting for terms here.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:49 pm EST

Sat her out maneuvered by Gart Snow again.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:49 pm EST

That is a disasterous return for Hamilton and Lucic. Awful managment all around. They gave up a 22yr old potential stud Dman. Who does that? Thank god its the Bs!!!!!

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:49 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug ...... Oilers PR appear to be getting a sweater ready. I'm guessing a few guys they wanted recently fell a few spots to them somehow.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:47 pm EST

BTW... Boston gave up a lot for those three players? I'm a bit underwhelmed.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:46 pm EST

but, still question the trade cost...anyway lets see what happen with TALBOT

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:45 pm EST

Colorado - I have a VHS tape of Ranger fights from the early 90s and pre season #65 Louie DeBrusk is featured heavily. JD "DeBrusk is one tough guy....I mean tough, tough"

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:45 pm EST

Does that Debrusk kid have a mole? I hadn't noticed.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:44 pm EST

CM - The Mess deal....DOUBLEN - OK, I can believe that

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:44 pm EST

That's easy... Mark 'the Messiah' Messier.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:43 pm EST

Hospo: We don't have the Cap room to hold pat

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:43 pm EST

Debrusk was in the Messier trade.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:42 pm EST

Moley, moley, moley... I could really go for some guaca-moley

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:41 pm EST

Patrick Div - Every scout says that...More important to go for the CUp when you have the chance!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:41 pm EST

HOSPO: How about this..Bryan Murray is Tim Murray's Uncle. Could it be that Buffalo likes Lehner better than Talbot.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:41 pm EST

If the Rangers and Oilers had a deal involving 2nd rounders, why wouldn't they just announce it?

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:41 pm EST

No one seems to know. Either the Rangers cone of silence is working or nothing has/is going down.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:41 pm EST

Who here is old enough to remember Louis DeBrusk and what trade he was involved in?

ColoradoMark


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:40 pm EST

Bob: Close but no cigar....

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:40 pm EST

Clark stressed earlier today how important it is for the club to restock the volume of prospects into the system after trading away the 1's and 2's of the last few years

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:40 pm EST

DOUBLE - True,,but hasn't Lerner already had concusiion issues,,,and has he showed he could lead a team during a PO march...Also. the RFangers gave teams permission to talk to The Prince about extensions, etc.....NO matter, we'll see soon enough

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:38 pm EST

I am thinking its the two 2nds and Yak for Talbot and Klein

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:37 pm EST

Rhet: what's the delay in announcing?

Steve443c10


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:37 pm EST

well, if we are back to TALBOT and KLEIN, I hope we get more than YAK

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:37 pm EST

Could be the RF4L fantasy deal of Talbot, Stepan, Klein and McIlrath for Hall and Draisatl. LOL!

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:36 pm EST

HOSPO: Lehner is younger and is signed for four more years; Talbot is signed for 1 more year. That's the difference..Lehner is cost controlled,Talbot is not.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:35 pm EST

Possibly or more.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:34 pm EST

RHET - which would mean Talbot and Yak....No?

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:32 pm EST

LMAO

Steve443c10


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:32 pm EST

There is a rumor that the Rangers trade with EDM is players for players.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:32 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Given what the Sens got for Lerner, I find it a little hard to believe..although that will be what the Rangers try to peddle if Sather screwed the pooch

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:31 pm EST

Edmonton can keep their picks, I think we need a roster player and eliminate the risk that the pick doesn't materialize

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:31 pm EST

Hospo - we don't know (or at least I don't) what was being offered. Half the tweets are BS anyway. But we'll see.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:31 pm EST

With Boston up for the next 3 picks, the Rangers -Oilers have a chance to finish a deal. If there's activity at their tables while Boston is up, we have a shot at #16

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:30 pm EST

STEVIE - It depends..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:29 pm EST

Just maybe, their was never an offer of a 1st round pick and the two 2nd's are the best offer. After all, all we read were RUMORS.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:29 pm EST

DREW - If it happens, it's not for the best,,,it's a Sather clusterfuck pure and simple...that being said, there's still time

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:28 pm EST

Can Boston please make their three picks at once?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:27 pm EST

I thought Sather wears diapers and craps the bed every night

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:27 pm EST

Talbot still a Ranger. Maybe it's for the best. His value was never higher. Oh well - there are 17 back to back games and maybe he'll get some more games this year.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:27 pm EST

Very possible we could have overplayed our hand. Sather would have a ton of egg on his face for it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:27 pm EST

teams are loving themselves some big forwards!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:25 pm EST

I think Sather crapped the bed.

Steve443c10


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:25 pm EST

Now Chiarelli withdraws his prior offer and Slats gets boned.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:23 pm EST

Dallas has a jersey in their hands about to make the 12th pick...so no Dallas.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:22 pm EST

Dallas is up.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:21 pm EST

Did they let all of the panther fans in for free tonight??? You know, like they do in the regular season..........

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:21 pm EST

If this is a game of chicken, Chiarelli is winning.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:15 pm EST

Did you hear them counting down to it??

NV94


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:13 pm EST

RHET - Glad I wasn't the only who thought that.

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:12 pm EST

That McDavid thing was awkward and bizarre.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:11 pm EST

I'm guessing oilers get the prince

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:07 pm EST

Sharks making the pick...deal must be EDM or DAL

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:07 pm EST

One down.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:06 pm EST

Maybe he majored in stupid...;-)

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:04 pm EST

Moof 8 years in a community college is about right ... Lol.... What did you take up space ?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:01 pm EST

I VILL BREAK YOU.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:01 pm EST

Davidson's a class act

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:00 pm EST

Hextall saying they believe in building from the back line out, when was the last time they had a decent backstop? Pelle Lindberg? Bernie Parent? Hate Philly

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:00 pm EST

JimCerny... "Seven picks into first round of #NHLDraft2015 and Glen Sather just picked up phone at #NYR table for brief conversation FWIW" .... checking for a dial tone.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:57 pm EST

Just checked, Philthy still paying $4.941 mill for Pronger this coming season and the one after

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:57 pm EST

We should of had a drinking game where we took a drink every time they uttered the words 'generational talent'! Sheesh. Come on Chomper pull off one last great trade then walk off into the sunset to Banf,

NYStranger


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:55 pm EST

Taylor Hall may be on the move.... is he going to NY? :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:55 pm EST

me thinks hipcheck wants Joe Thornton..:)

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:54 pm EST

Maybe they're trading Sather back to Edmonton

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:54 pm EST

Not much longer now... here comes a major (((BLOCKBUSTER)))!!!!!!!!!!!!

hipcheck


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:53 pm EST

Is Eichel 12 years old?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:53 pm EST

if he's smiling probably means he's getting some help for this coming year ...which is big for him

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:51 pm EST

Steve Zipay.... "Just saying: Almost everyone on draft floor is seated. AV's been standing since McDavid pick. Smiling a lot. Now talking with Gorton".... AV does not smile. Something's up.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:51 pm EST

From Zip:Just saying: Almost everyone on draft floor is seated. AV's been standing since McDavid pick. Smiling a lot. Now talking with Gorton

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:50 pm EST

Kinda like the Devils pick

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:50 pm EST

It's going to be torture until we get through these first rounders.... San Jose 9th pick, Florida 11, Dallas 12th, Edmonton 16th.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:49 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjIH1jdx2_A

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:48 pm EST

This is the wrong board? Eight years of college down the drain???

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:46 pm EST

Yeah, sorry. Posted that on the wrong board.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:45 pm EST

Would love to see NJ screw Philly out of Provorov

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:44 pm EST

Reilly signed with Minnesota...http://www.startribune.com/former-gophers-defenseman-mike-reilly-chooses-the-wild/310110461/

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:43 pm EST

RHET - That's old..didn't REILLY sign with MINNY today?

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:40 pm EST

LA Kings and Mike Reilly May Have Hit a Serious Snag.... http://mayorsmanor.com/2015/06/kings-and-mike-reilly-may-have-hit-a-serious-snag/

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:40 pm EST

Look at MARNER'S #'s ...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9991

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:39 pm EST

Toronto passed on Hanifin? Duh.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:39 pm EST

BTW....AZ couldn't trade their pick. No one wanted to pay what they were asking.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:38 pm EST

Steve Zipay &#8207;@stevezipay.... Seems to be some activity at #NYR table at the moment

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:35 pm EST

Well if you get him and just plug him into MSL's spot, that has to be an improvement.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:34 pm EST

NHL Rumors &#8207;.... Trade Call between EDM and NYR still has not taken place.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:33 pm EST

BOB - I like the idea of a young player over a pic also....YAK not what i think we need but pehaps we get that another way..Like I said, I'll defer to guys like you if we get him and hope for PILOT BOY #2!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:32 pm EST

Funny, I don't remember Don Maloney having a Minnesota accent?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:31 pm EST

all wrong..holding on for Strome

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:31 pm EST

John Shannon .... Arizona not trading pick. Will take Dylan Strome.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:29 pm EST

RHET - i'M STILL guessing BOS..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:29 pm EST

If the rumors are true, where did the NYR get a first rounder to make the deal with EDM? And for whom?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:29 pm EST

I picked up on CHIA and that #16 pick comment. Is Boston now going to trade for that #3 pick.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:28 pm EST

HOSPO-I share your concerns, BUT the kid had a 40 point in 45 games stretch after the coaching change up there, he would be close to a slew of ethnic Russians in NY and he can put the puck in the net. I am more excited about getting a young player than a draft pick. We are supposed to be going for it.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:28 pm EST

I bet you Columbus trades for #3.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:26 pm EST

Buff now has Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart down the middle....

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:26 pm EST

BOB - which means i should want him and Nick shouldn't..but it's the opposite! YAK scares me in a bad way but if we get him, I will try to dfer to those Wallbangers who really like the kid

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:24 pm EST

Chiarelli thanked the "City of Florida!" What a doofus.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:24 pm EST

I would agree with you on that deal. Chiaapet was pretty sly when asked about the 16th a min ago...

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:24 pm EST

Chiarelli telegraphed that they're trading #16

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:24 pm EST

Zadornov is a stud. Grigorenko is going back to KHL.

andrei


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:23 pm EST

BUFF trading for O'REILY shows how with all the money involved in the game and fans teams really do not have thevdesire to take the slow road up, and it's totally understandable.......Beyond all common sense, I would love to see McDavid faiol someho0w and the OILERS vremain at a laughingstock of the League..Don't like the team or their new GM..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:22 pm EST

I'm thinking we're getting No. 16 and Yakupov #crazy

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:22 pm EST

The deal .....The Colorado Avalanche have trade Ryan O’Reilly and Jamie McGinn to the Buffalo Sabres for Nikita Zadorov, Mikhail Grigorenko, JT Compher and a 2015 2nd round pick (# 31).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:20 pm EST

Talbot for Yankupov? Pilot Boy Part 2?

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:19 pm EST

Nice work by Joe Sakic.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:18 pm EST

NHL Rumors &#8207;@NHLRumorsDaily 1m1 minute ago Talbot to Edmonton is now done

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:18 pm EST

What the hell is taking so long Edmonton?

WIOSA


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:18 pm EST

Buffalo paid a gigantic price for Oreilly. OMG- What the heck would Stepan get?

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:17 pm EST

If Bettman retires from being Commish, does the League get possession of his hair piece?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:17 pm EST

IMHO Sabers overpaid for ROR. AVS got a good package.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:16 pm EST

:)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:16 pm EST

Source: Oilers leaning towards McDavid.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:15 pm EST

This might be a wild draft with a lot of picks changing hands.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:12 pm EST

David Pagnotta &#8207;@TheFourthPeriod ... O'Reilly is a Sabre

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:11 pm EST

We'd like to announce a trade, the Edmonton Oilers have traded their #1 1st round pick to the NY Rangers for Cam Talbot

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:11 pm EST

NHL EXPERT PICKS ....&#8207; OFFICIAL: Ryan O'Reilly to the #Sabres.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:10 pm EST

C'mon Slats, knock it out of the park!

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:09 pm EST

So will McDavid be gift wrapped in NHL wrapping paper with a bow on top and presented to Edmonton?

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:08 pm EST

Not even a mention of the Rangers in the 1st segment? WTF?

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:05 pm EST

McKenzie ... Alot of people believe an O'Reily deal is close.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:04 pm EST

RF73 Duh, sorry, it was the other way around they pu about 5 picks I said they gave away...(Boston)

WIOSA


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:04 pm EST

YAK is a mistake..DON'T do it SATHER! Not the type of player this team needs to WIN the Cup.....Maybe Sather should just hold onto Talbot afterall.....I like the DALLAS possibilities though...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:03 pm EST

Dreger... Buffalo working to get O'Reilly from Avs

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:02 pm EST

Anyone breaking down the doors for Dan Boyle ??

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:01 pm EST

Is Sather sitting on a deal with SJ involving the 9th pick but likes a deal with Ed if the 16th is included?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:59 pm EST

Rhet. Cuz GMs can be morons....

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:59 pm EST

What if Rask is part of the package to get #3 overall with Smith coming back to Boston as Boston saves on the cap hit and the Yotes get a better and younger goalie and they need to hit the cap floor.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:58 pm EST

I now have fleetwood Mac - tusk stuck in my head

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:54 pm EST

Why would anyone want Mike Rusk?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:48 pm EST

RF4L: One guy reported his name has been heard on the floor...doesn't mean he is available...

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:47 pm EST

Guess what rumour is now surfacing? Rusk allegedly in play....

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:47 pm EST

WILD.... Sather has long been a fan of Yakupov. That and the fact that he thinks he can fix anyone mean it should be taken seriously. Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:38 pm EST

AV was out there in the huddle. Wonder if there were options for roster players and wanted his input before they sent a guy packing

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:34 pm EST

RF73 Boston has given up / traded about 5 draft picks - I think

WIOSA


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:32 pm EST

Reports of Chiarreli talking to slats on the draft floor...

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:32 pm EST

RF73. Yes for Collins, Jones and the 13th.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:31 pm EST

Frees up $4+ mill in cap space too

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:31 pm EST

Great little video on ROUSELL right here. I understand the enthusiasm for him now. ---- Watch "Antoine Roussel's Journey to the NHL" on YouTube https://youtu.be/9XyXvo2vWo8

hipcheck


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:31 pm EST

RF: Stephan for Draisaitl & #16 tg pick? Get er done!

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:30 pm EST

Did I just see Lucic to the Kings?

RF73


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:29 pm EST

@NHLRumorsDaily: I think the Rangers will indeed hit a home run with Talbot deal

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:28 pm EST

@BlueshirtBanter: Doesn't seem very likely, but that seems to be part of the holdup this afternoon.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:28 pm EST

@BlueshirtBanter: Doesn't seem very likely, but that seems to be part of the holdup this afternoon.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:27 pm EST

@BlueshirtBanter: So I'm just going to add that per a source NYR are interested in Yakupov and once they got the offer for a 1st they reached out to EDM

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:26 pm EST

Dreger-Chiarelli and Sather just broke from another discussion. Slats now meeting with his group. Has to be about Talbot.

jim9k26


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:26 pm EST

@DarrenDreger: Chiarelli and Sather just broke from another discussion. Slats now meeting with his group. Has to be about Talbot.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:26 pm EST

Oh lord, don't want Kessel or Thornton, lockeroom poison.

WIOSA


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:23 pm EST

NN; When I heard SJ involved I totally envisioned Thornton being a Ranger by nights end. Would not surprise me at all. I'm kind of expecting it.

stepunmytoe


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:22 pm EST

Everyone seems pretty excited about ROUSELL. I'm not that familiar with him. Could anyone compare him to another player? ... or describe his game & upside. Thanks.

hipcheck


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:18 pm EST

If the deal is with the Stars, I hope it's gonna be a package deal involving their 1st rounder and Rousell for Talbot + ?

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:09 pm EST

On NHL Network, @DarrenDreger said that he thinks Cam Talbot will be traded to the Stars

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 5:00 pm EST

Rumors that Montreal wants to get 2 seconds for the 26th overal. So if Sather can get 2 seconds he can try and move the later two and get the 26th. Not sure if that's worth it...just tossing it out

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:53 pm EST

RF4L: if the oil send that kid to the Rangers I will eagerly await your reaction LOL.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:42 pm EST

Nn. Yes. Then you flip Stepan to the Oil for Drai and the 16th pick.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:41 pm EST

Sather must have chomped thru a dozen today.... He's playing poker .... Liars....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:40 pm EST

RF4L -- not yet....if nothing gets done in the next 3 hours, it might be.

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:39 pm EST

For half price id take lucic and break glass ... B- ruins would never trade him to nyr....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:38 pm EST

Let's say San Jose is offering up the #9 pick,but Thornton has to come back with San Jose eating a couple of million of his cap hit, do you still do the deal. Thornton has 2 years left on his contract

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:37 pm EST

Sather on the draft floor. Good news - his pud is nowhere to be seen...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:35 pm EST

Hey Hospo - ugh I wish we were talking about a parade. Anyway. I hope I am wrong. We still have an hour and a half before the draft plus some time before SJ or DAL picks. Like I said before, I think Talbot's a Ranger next year.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:34 pm EST

E. Look at cerny's head. It looks like a softball that's been crushed outa the park.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:31 pm EST

DREW - I don't buy that at all...SATHER has been negotiating with at least 5 teams accoriding to EVERYBODY...He was looking to deal TALBOT..the only way he doesn't (based on what OTT got for Lerner) is if he fucked up and retreats with a bunch of lies...But, the night ain't over yet...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:31 pm EST

All you get from Cerny now is fluff. I love it how he now is in every presser serving up softballs to the players for soundbites. Almost good enough to be a politician.

E


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:30 pm EST

Rangers on the draft floor

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:30 pm EST

Hospo. Sooo negative. Lol

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:29 pm EST

Seems the Pitt Kessel tweet was a fake....

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:28 pm EST

I am not sure if it's a case of Sather overplaying his hand. He wanted to get the best deal he could for Talbot. Maybe (as Wild agreed earlier), he feels he could go into this year with a similar roster to 2014-15. Dallas and San Jose are still out there....I was at that Chicago game back in 2001 when Richter collapsed in the hallway. It was an afternoon game and Richter to St. Louis was a huge rumor. I remember the uneasy silence when Richter fell. One fan yelled "HEY SATHER, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!!!!"...for every Gomez/McDonough trade, I guess we have to deal with days like this.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:27 pm EST

E - Thanks....but sounds like a bunch of fluff to me..I hope some of them contribute, but not holding my breath!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:26 pm EST

Will Slats be a farging icehole, or will he get something constructive done?

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:26 pm EST

BOB - unless MALKIN goes for alot of defensive help???

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:25 pm EST

Gordie Clark did an interview on Blueshirts United. Gordie thinks that Skjei will be pushing for an NHL spot at some point within the next season or at latest next... Buch would've been playing in the NHL this season if he elected to come over. The New York Rangers wanted him here. But being in the KHL doesn't hurt his development. Lindberg was the best player in Hartford during the post season run. They think highly of Tambellini.

E


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:25 pm EST

BOB - Well, they need somebody like Gordon-(Tessio) to make sure he doesn't come out of the draft (bathroom) with only his dick in his hand!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:25 pm EST

Man, how horrid will Pittsburgh's defense be next season? Rutherford has made a real mess there.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:24 pm EST

I am wondering if there are conditional picks being offered for talbot. So next years draft....let's say a 2nd and a prospect this year and if he resigns a first next year if not a second type offer. That might be the best value overall but it would delay the reception of that value.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:23 pm EST

KESSEL to PITT??? The Broadway Hat @TheBroadwayHat Wut RT @DarnenDreger: Kessel to the Penguins is a done deal. Hearing Maatta involved. Details to come.

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:21 pm EST

Bob. The last time Sather played the waiting game with his goalie he ended up with zippo.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:19 pm EST

Bruins eating half of Lupricks sakary.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:18 pm EST

some further insight -Real_ESPNLeBrun: The Bruins retained close to half of Lucic's cap hit/salary in order to make trade work with the cap-strung Kings

jim9k26


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:18 pm EST

Will Sather reprise the scene from Johnny Dangerously, "I'm standing here with my dork in my hand?"

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:15 pm EST

Vic. Agreed. Dumb trade IMO

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:14 pm EST

RF4L: That is puzzling.....unless they aren't done.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:12 pm EST

As the game moves more and more toward being a speed game I have to wonder if the Kings are going to regret that deal. Sure, it may help them beat Anaheim but moving forward can they beat Chicago, Calgary and in the not too distant future Edmonton. We shall see.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:12 pm EST

LOL

jim9k26


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:11 pm EST

Guess a guy named "Dougie" is not tough enough to last in Boston.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:11 pm EST

Jim. His hand may be too busy playing with his pud...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:10 pm EST

Why the Bruins didn't deal Lucic first then use the resulting cap room to resign Hamilton is beyond me.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:04 pm EST

wonder if Slats overplayed the hand.

jim9k26


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:01 pm EST

RF4L - LUCIC will score enough in the more phyiscal WEST and, if right, can be a beast..Good deal...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:59 pm EST

LA is big and tough enough. They have issues scoring. Lucic doesn't address that. Dumb trade IMO.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:58 pm EST

RF4L - and Macilrath! ;)

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:58 pm EST

Bob - trade for.Glass?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:57 pm EST

The KIngs are easily a team that could rebound and make another run at the CUP with the moves they made at the deadline and this LUCI thing (they will BUY OUT RICHARDS now)...not a bad plan of attack IMO

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:57 pm EST

Jones to the Oil for the 16th. Giving Boston picks 13 thru 16.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:57 pm EST

I think they keep Jones....they need a backup for this year, the young guys need playing time.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:56 pm EST

Wow. Boston cleaning house. Guess the Kings did not like the physical abuse they took from the Ducks last year. Wonder what the Ducks will do in response.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:55 pm EST

Or Rask to the Oil for Hall. And Sather and his pud remain available ...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:54 pm EST

I know People hate LUCIC here and some consider him done...but the WEST is the plave for him...He'll have a big year....And then we'll sign him in FA!!!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:54 pm EST

And then Jones gets flipped to the Oil. Leaving Sather to pull his pud.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:53 pm EST

Nick Kypreos &#10004; @RealKyper Lucic is a #Kings pending a trade call. #NHLDraft..LUCI for a #! and Martin JONES??

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:53 pm EST

Bruins now have the 13th,14th and 15th overall.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:52 pm EST

Reports of 13th plus Jones to Boston. If true. Talbot just got more expensive. Well. Maybe.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:50 pm EST

A lot of ugly references to GMs and their man-parts on The Wall today....LOL!

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:44 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Thats the chatter in twitter land!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:43 pm EST

If CHIARELLI put in a big bid for HAMILTON as reported, maybe he's not THAT interested in The Prince....Just rambling

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:43 pm EST

HOSPO: Don't get me wrong, if HAGS needs to go with TALBOT to bring back DRAI I do it in a heartbeat. I love HAGS' game and think he is an important part of this team but the Rangers really need to get a young player with DRAI's upside who can contribute this year and into the future.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:43 pm EST

If Boston makes that trade with LA, do they bundle up those 1st rounders for Arizona's #3 and draft Hanifin

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:40 pm EST

Kevin Weekes &#10004; @KevinWeekes I can confirm @LAKings pushing hard at closing a deal for @NHLBruins Lucic....Does LA's #1 go the other way? Is Boston piling up picks ?

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:39 pm EST

MACKENZIE was saying how SJ was looking at BIESKA and LACK this morning....Obviosuly want a goalie, but do they want The Prince..maybe just leverage? One will never know.......gotta love tweets and rumors!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:35 pm EST

VIC - Never jump to conclusions..Could be the #9 and ??? for TALBOT and Hags..:)

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:35 pm EST

9 pick? Lawson Crouse Baby!!!!

E


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:33 pm EST

VIC - I love how hard he works, and his speed, but can't say I see HAGS as dangerous as you do...but , that's cool...still a good player

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:33 pm EST

I also have a hard time believing it because SJ desperately needs to get younger. They can't afford to pass up on the #9 pick overall in this draft. If that pick is on the table then there must be other players involved.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:32 pm EST

If SJ is actually offering up the #9 pick in a deal for TALBOT (straight up) it proves two things. First, there are stupid GMs that will always overpay. Second, it proves that SATHER is as big a moron as we have painted him for not jumping all over that the second it was offered. I don't think either GM is that stupid.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:30 pm EST

HOSPO: No, neither are irreplaceable. I just think losing HAGS hurts the Rangers more as HAGS represents more of what the Rangers identity is. He had a down playoffs offensively this past year but he was excellent in the run to the Cup finals. And he is a threat every time he steps on the ice. Teams cannot afford to take as many chances with risky pinches, etc. when HAGS is out there because all he needs is an opening. He doesn't even need a step.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:29 pm EST

RF4L - That's pretty high for TALBOT...do they have a 2nd 1st?

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:28 pm EST

Rumors about LUCIC heading to LA????

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:27 pm EST

VIC - And the moving of HAMILTON wasn't the surprise. the surprise was the low return and who obtained him...IMWO

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:26 pm EST

Hospo: Isn't SJ picking 9th overall? Surely Sather wouldn't turn that down (straight up). Maybe Jumbo Joe's involved in the return!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:25 pm EST

VIC - But he skunked in the POs last year just like STEP usually doe-s...Neither are irreplaceable.,..Hags is a 15-17 goal 3rd line PKer..Good to have, but replaceable

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:23 pm EST

SO, SAN JOSE is the team offering a number 1 for TALBOT? maybe.........Frank Seravalli &#10004; @frank_seravalli Re: Talbot offers - Told Florida's package does not include their 1st round pick (No. 11). The 1st on table is believed to be from SJ. #TSN

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:22 pm EST

HAMILTON getting moved is no secret or surprise. Everyone knew that was coming. The BRUINS are in even worse shape with respect to the Cap then the Rangers are. They could not afford to resign HAMILTON. This is the same issue that the Rangers are looking at with STEPAN right now but to a slightly lesser extent. If the Rangers resign STEPAN it means at least on other player won't be resigned or will need to be dealt to make room for STEPAN's contract. Before everyone jumps up and says "Big Deal, just trade HAGS" let me remind you that as far as the Rangers go HAGS is as much one of the team's "goto" players as STEPAN is. HAGS is out in just about every important situation, especially at the end of games. When AV shortens his bench he leans on STEPAN, MOORE, NASH and HAGS more then anyone else. HAGS is more irreplaceable to the Rangers then STEPAN is. And with the way that this has become a SPEED league, the over the top quickness and speed that HAGS brings would be a tough asset to lose. He is as disruptive a player as there is in the NHL on the forecheck.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:21 pm EST

Steve Zipay &#10004; @stevezipay Chicago's Kris Versteeg has nixed a trade to Montreal, I'm told by a trusted source..Good, SCREW THE HABS!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:20 pm EST

WILD - Why must you insist on pointing out rational and realisitc possibilities when people are trying to have fun with knee-jerk, Sather is a bozo, reactions? :)

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:20 pm EST

Or we're gonna see a trade of much bigger proportions, like the one I've been musing about. Go Sather Go!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:17 pm EST

We are all guessing here...Sather may be fixated on another 1st rounder from one of the other teams, and not the Oilers. Who knows at this point, but rumors say he has multiple firm offers, I imagine if things start to stand still for too long he will choose one...but again, as long as the other GMs are talking trying to figure out how to get ahead of the other teams there is a chance he can get more.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:15 pm EST

RF4L - you could be talking about ALOT of teams..!

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:14 pm EST

Wild/Hospo: Ahh...ok. Then that left the Bruins with just over $8,000,000 to sign 4 players and Hamilton at $6,000,000 left $2,000,000 for 3. That's why Hamilton got moved.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:14 pm EST

Rf4L - Hope not..Two blowhards blowing each other...I don't want anything to do with EDM prospects and I think Chiarelli will not deal that #1 fro TALBOT jsut to show how strong he is (and wrong)...Hopefully, DALLAS makes a good offer...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:13 pm EST

BTW, should add that $4,000,000 of the Bruins cap is tied up with Savard's deal and he's on long terms injury meaning it doesn't count (I don't think). Still, $11,000,000 to sign 5 players when one is expecting to eat up over 1/2 of it is a precarious position to be in and calls for drastic measures. Errr...wait - I forget what team I'm talking about....DOH!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:11 pm EST

RF4L: That signing just came across twitter like 5 minutes ago or so. Only one source so far that I have seen

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:11 pm EST

RF4L - Bob McKenzie &#10004; @TSNBobMcKenzie BOS agrees to terms with D Adam McQuaid. Four years, AAV of $2.75M. #TSN

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:10 pm EST

FWIW, I think Sather is fixated on the 16th overall pick and is now engaged in a risky game of bluff with Chiarelli. If so, the pressure is rising for both me - Sather because in the past few hours he has apparently lost 2 possible trading partners and Chiarelli because the Flames just stole a bunch of the spotlight he's been trying to hoard (and so far only succeeded thru no acts of his own - being able to draft Connor McDavid).

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:07 pm EST

Hospo: When did McQuaid get resigned? From what I can see, he's still not signed and about to be an UFA.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:07 pm EST

Nick. Its a little of both actually. From rumors we can see the bids are going up, but what exactly are they? What picks, what prospects? What teams are making the best bids. Since we don't know exactly we can't assume he has the best bid already or what exactly is going on, they may be continuously not he phone, with offers and counter offers and there may still may be 2 or 3 teams really making a run at Talbot. You don't pull the plug and take whatever you can right now if you have time to think and try to build the trade bigger.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:06 pm EST

Nick: Cap mismanagement to a large extent. The Bruins have $7,000,000 in cap space and Hamilton apparently wanted about 90% of it. He represented 1/3 of the backline looking for new deals. In addition, 2 of their young forwards are RFA. It's why I keep railing on here about Sather's dangerous practices in that regard and why pointing to other teams being in similar messes doesn't make it acceptable. Sooner or later, the chickens are gonna come to roost if it continues.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:05 pm EST

Nick I think they were afraid of an offer sheet. A big one would have gat them a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in return. SO this trade got them a better return than losing him to an offer sheet they couldn't match.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:05 pm EST

Which is it: he's "been getting competitive bids in" or "we have no clue what is really on the table"? I go with the latter. If the offers suck, then wait. If not, pull the trigger. I just don't trust the guy; I think he's a crap GM who's gotten lucky lately. Maybe he's bust polishing the rings from all the Cups he won since he 'got Neil Smith's budget.'

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:04 pm EST

Nick - That's what a lot of people ar saying...one of the best young offense D-men in the game and on the way up.....But they did resign toughie McQuaid......

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:01 pm EST

I thought Hamilton was the next big thing in Boston? What did I miss here?

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:01 pm EST

Nick: So if Sather has been getting competitive bids in, and currently is still getting teams to up the bid, and build to make the trade bigger, he should just stop and make a deal? I think not, his job is to get the most out of the deal...we have no clue what is really on the table, or what has been. Making a deal just to make it is silly. SO far, from the way the rumors have gone it sounds like he is doing well.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 3:01 pm EST

Sather trades #1's before they are picked, the Bruins trade them (Seguin, Kessel, Thornton, Hamilton) after! Well, at least theye hav one recent cup to show for it...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:59 pm EST

Slats thinks in 1985 and he's dangling Fuhr. Make the deal, you freaking nimrod. There are ten UFA goalies out there, and as much as we all like Cam, he's 27, has played fewer than 40 games and is a UFA next summer. What the hell do we expect to get for the guy? We meaning Slats.

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:58 pm EST

TD: Very true, although at least with all those picks the Bruins have a few chances at landing a replacement (or 2 or 3). That Seguin trade, however, was horrid. I thought the Leafs goofed in trading picks for Kessel but at least Kessel has produced for them. What on earth has the return netted for Seguin done for the Bruins? Not much. Meanwhile, Seguin's produced big time for the Stars and at 23 years of age, he's surely only going to get better. Amazing.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:54 pm EST

RF4L: Yeah very true....didnt remember how much cap space they have

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:51 pm EST

Wild: The Flames can match (and most assuredly would) - they have the cap room. And that situation only works if the player accepts the offer sheet. Surely Hamilton and his agent would give the Flames an audience first (unless he's totally opposed to going there, which likely isn't the case).

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:51 pm EST

First the SEGUIN trade. Now HAMILTON...the Leafs have Boston the chance to build a dynasty with the KESSEL trade and they have officially pissed it away. They're gonna regret that move almost as much as the Seguin move in the near future unless they can land HANIFAN...

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:50 pm EST

worst part of this is that the focus is now off Talbot, so the people who get the best rumors are not asking. SO things could be happening but we are not hearing about it.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:48 pm EST

wouldn't it be terrible if Calgary can't get Hamilton signed quick enough and a team send him an offer sheet and they can't afford to match....wont happen I image...but that would suck for them.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:48 pm EST

N2: BTW, Girardi signed his deal last year - it's Staal who reupped 4 months ago.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:47 pm EST

Read somewhere that CALGARY had the highest scoring D-unit in the league and now they also add HAMILTON?? May give them flexibility for another deal (not saying with the Rangers)

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:47 pm EST

Got to wonder if the Bruins are going to put their first, the Flames first and some other picks together to try and get the 3rd from Arizona.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:47 pm EST

So does the trading of Hamilton mean the Bruins' interest in Yandle will increase?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:46 pm EST

Hey Nick: That image of Sather and his penis you floated earlier today is steadily becoming more distinct. Yikes...making me uncomfortable! lol

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:45 pm EST

York: But we don't know what was going on back room. That deal the Flames just made may have been in the works...they may have had the weakest deals the entire time. I have thought the Oilers would be the front runners this entire time, and the other teams have been used to drive up the price...

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:45 pm EST

If you want to see irate..go the Bruins board at HockeysFuture on the Hamilton trade. That group has the pitchforks out.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:44 pm EST

BTW, yes it appears Hamilton going to the Flames takes them out of the bidding for the Prince, but it sure puts more pressure on Chiarelli to do something of significance for the Oilers. So far his hand sitting is remarkably (and horrifically if you're an Oiler fan) similar to the perpetually frozen McT.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:42 pm EST

The longer sather waits the less suitors he's going to have to play against each other and the deal will not be so good. I fear he's getting smug and will end up with an irate wall when the deal is done.

York18


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:40 pm EST

By appealing to his sense of gamesmanship. By letting the new Oiler coach tell him how he would be an integral part of an exciting new chapter in Oiler history. By giving him the C. Obviously, I don't know the man personally, but by all accounts he's a stand-up guy and I'll bet if he's propositioned in the right way, he'd agree. All that said, I agree it's not gonna happen, but for me anyways, it's fun to think/muse about.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:38 pm EST

BOB: only thing I could imagine would be a top prospect, their other second and a first next year. But that would be a lot, but I think the only way it would work now.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:37 pm EST

RF4L: So how are you getting Girardi to waive his NMC on his new contract that he signed 4 months ago.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:35 pm EST

Calgary still needs a goalie. But their 15, 45 and 52 picks now belong to Boston. Can't see what they would trade that the Rangers would be interested in now.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:32 pm EST

Does this Calgary trade help or hurt the Rangers?

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:30 pm EST

@NHLRumorsDaily: #15 and 2 seconds going to Boston for Dougie Hamilton. Takes Flames out of contention for Talbot

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:27 pm EST

CAL gave up the 15 plus other picks.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:18 pm EST

Looks like Boston got a 1st for him. Not sure what else

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:16 pm EST

Dougie Hamilton trade call on now with Calgary

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:16 pm EST

RF4L- fantasy on the Rangers part. Edmonton would be morons to trade Hall. Is Stepan untouchable? Of course not but his value to the Rangers means he would have to bring something back that another team would not be willing to give up..

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:13 pm EST

Obviously, Buffalo coveted Lehner. I believe it took so long to complete because the Sens didn't want to trade Lehner to an eastern team and worse, one within their own division. Murray tried to get one of the 3 western teams allegedly in on Talbot (SJ, Edmonton, Calgary) to bite, but obviously they all prefer the Prince.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:11 pm EST

HOSPO: Agree on Stepan. For instance, I would take a big center like the kid from Florida, starts with a B, has a j in his name don't feel like looking him up in Stepans place, not that I dislike Step, or think he doesn't help the team win, but the Centers are all very similar, and I think the change up would be good. In no hurry to try and trade him, but if it came along I wouldn't be sad.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:08 pm EST

RF4L: I agree on BUF overpaying. At first I expected to see that Legwand came at 50% of his cap hit, at least than it would make some sense, or that another pick, like a 2nd was going back to BUF, kind of a trade up in the draft involving players as well. But I was floored to see it was just the way it is.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:06 pm EST

FWIW, I think the Sabres overpaid to get Lehner, just like I thought they overpaid to get Kane.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:04 pm EST

Wild: Of course, but the Rangers strength is their backline. Staal moves up to play with McD and Yandle with KK - having Yandle getting 3rd pairing minutes is just plain dumb IMO. That leaves, hopefully, McI with Boyle. In other words, filling the gap G leaves is easier than the one created by Stepan. However, you wanna get, you gotta give. All that said, I realize it's not gonna happen, in large part because G can block it. Also, I suspect the Oil would consider it a lopsided deal in favour of the Rangers (I don't for reasons stated).

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:04 pm EST

SO this morning, we have gone from 1 2nd and a prospect, to 2 seconds, to 2 seconds and a prospect, now a first rounder. Seems like Sather is playing his cards correctly...that is of course dependent on what those picks and prospects are...but overall it sounds like teams keep upping the offers.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:03 pm EST

Bob/RF4L - I'd trade Step in a New York second...bit only for, at the least, a good young NHL player that would fit a different role (or play a diffeent game then Step) on the Rangers...Probably too hard to find..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:01 pm EST

Bob: Fantasy on who's side? The Rangers? Or just the size of the trade overall?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 2:00 pm EST

RF4L: You so a LOT with losing Giradi...he is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated Dmen in the entire NHL by fans. Whenever you hear coaches, GMs or players talk bout him its with much higher regard. That could be as much of a blow as Stepan leaving. Would rather give Klein, and a little something further than Giradi.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:59 pm EST

RF4L---Of course I would. But that is a fantasy and never going to happen. That looks like something from Hockey's Future trade proposal board.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:57 pm EST

RF4L: If it was 1 or the other than yes of course I would want the 21st. But its not one or the other. Its 1 or the other PLUS something. Or 1 plus something or the other plus something better. Its not as static as one or the other. If its the 21st with a Bourque level prospect vs the 33rd with a Skjei level prospect I think I take the 33rd. And really, if the scouts think there is not difference, than it would be silly to take the higher pick with lower prospect to get the same quality player out of the draft. A LOT rides on the ability of the scouting staff in that case....something that Sather needs to figure out. But again, if its just the pick, or the pick and equal players, than of course you take the higher...however I am sure it is MUCH more complicated than that.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:56 pm EST

Bob: Would you do this (and I realize it's pure conjecture on my part) - Stepan, Girardi and Talbot for Hall, Drai and the 16th overall pick. That's supreme value going both ways. The Oilers address their goaltending, get a rock for their D who can help lead the way out of the organization's defensive doldrums and a young experienced 2-way centerman (who, arguably, could eventually line up behind McDavid as a prototypical 2nd line center, which in reality is probably where he's best suited - that would leave RNH as trade fodder in a couple of years). The Rangers would land themselves a bonafide top 10 talent to compliment Nash (and take some of the spotlight away from him), a potential number 1 center and a fine young prospect. Stepan would be missed the most of those 3, but hopefully Hayes proves worthy in camp or Drai is able to step into the number 2 role. And it shaves something like $5,000,000 off the cap. IMO, it's a win-win.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:54 pm EST

Perhaps Don Maloney is dangling the #30 for Talbot? Mike Smith is getting older and their top goaltending prospect missed all of last year with ankle surgery. He may want Cam to split time with Smith for the next few years until their youngster is healed and ready to play big minutes in the NHL. Pure speculation on my part.

VtRanger


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:54 pm EST

Lb "On other news, told that Marty St. Louis not ready to retire. May be some mutual interest in/from Devils, Penguins. Not coming back to NYR. 1:26 PM - 26 Jun 2015

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:51 pm EST

Trade Stepan? Really? Who thinks that will happen? Why would anyone take a chance of afraid ark when Stepan is the goods now? Make little sense.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:46 pm EST

Wild: I know what you're getting at but saying that the 33rd overall is as good as the 21st is simply not true. Surely you're not gonna say if you were given the choice of one or the other you'd not care. Surely...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:43 pm EST

VIC: If we're giving up STEPAN & TALBOT I'd hope to get a draft pick along with DRAISAITL...... I'd still look to move T.Glass, and I'm with you on having DRAI up with the big club to start the season and hopefully the entire year..... We could move HAYES to the wing..

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:39 pm EST

VIC: I think the biggest hang up is if Talbot would sign an extension come January...if they could extend him now he would be worth more. And again, I understand that concern from those teams. A lot can happen in a season...what if lets say MAF in PIT has a career ending injury and they decide Talbot is the guy...what's the better situation for Talbot, rebuilding oilers or a stacked PENs? I think that fear is the biggest hang up to getting full value as we see it for him.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:36 pm EST

Talbot can not be signed to an extension by anyone until January 1st according to CBA rules. Not sure what rule or what it says, but that's the way it is.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:31 pm EST

If there is a question concerning Talbot signing long term with his new club, is there anything to stop the Rangers from resigning him (i.e. today) and then trading him?

Ranger47


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:29 pm EST

Shit...Lucic on Isles...that's no fun.

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:28 pm EST

I personally gotta think Sater wants no part of draft picks, I think he wants a young stud forward that addresses our weaknesses, more goalscoring, creating havoc down low , physicality, help power play and maybe even a right hand shot for set plays, if he good on face offs even better. If Sather has to give up more with talbot he will but I dont GMS like to give up what sather wants.

giacomin


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:14 pm EST

WILDCARD: You know what, that is a reasonable trade if Edmonton can resign TALBOT. There is no reason why a trade like that couldn't go down. It helps both teams and really hurts neither. Both would be giving to get. This is the kind of deal SATHER should be after and CHIA-PET should jump at that kind of a deal if he is offered it. I would help that team in all three areas giving them experienced players who can teach those young kids and more importantly help them win games.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:14 pm EST

JFC - Unless his idea is to get a package with multiple 2nd, 3rd and 4th round maybes..No thanks...That's what the Flyers did with BOB

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:12 pm EST

WILD - It may, but it's bad business! The 21st pick has to have higher or maybe even much higher TRADE value in terms of trade reccoup then the 33rd, if not you are doing a horrible job,, (which isn't to say the 33rd pick won't work out as well as the 21st pick)...

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:11 pm EST

Okay here's my deal: Cam & KK for Nail the Yak and the 16. I think we could only pull that heist on MacT, though.

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:10 pm EST

off the last post...no way that happens though...just a nice dream

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:10 pm EST

DRAI a mid level prospect and the 33rd for Talbot/Stepan/Klein if you go that route....get a good player who can step in now, cap relief, and a good pick that will help the future even more. I think Klein is on his way out anyway....a big deal...but Talbot is wanted by many, Stepan is a good center, as you said from a cup competitive team, and they need D like no other team save maybe the AVS, so force them to give up a lot. It would be a good trade for them, and I think for the Rangers as well. I know some love Klein, but again like Talbot, I think he is gone after this season regardless de to the young D who are knocking and his lack of NTC. and that I feel they want to keep Yandle long term...

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:09 pm EST

I'm kidding guys....5 teams still involved...can't tell sarcasm on internet...

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:07 pm EST

BUFF...out of the running...Talbot's value just decreased a bit?

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:06 pm EST

JFC: Agreed I don't want him to drop way down the draft board and take a late 2nd and a young player (again unless that young guy is a top end guy) but giving a few draft selections to get more overall value that will help he team more as it moves forward is ideal. Thats why you move assets, as Joe Sakic and Patric Roy said last year about the AVS, "not just to win now, but to win from now on" Didn't work out for them yet, but the idea is sound. Sather seems to be wanting to win "from now on" and thats a good mentality to have. Also, the more assets he gathers before he steps down as GM, the more the next GM will have to retool things if he needs to without a massive rebuild that takes 3-4 years.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 1:04 pm EST

RF: I'm still hanging onto the hope that DRAI will be coming back as well. I agree with HOSPO and the "NOW-sayers" that would like a roster player back that can help win this year. But, you and I both know how important a guy like DRAI could be for this team to build around over the next 5 to 10 years. DRAI meets both criteria in that he is ready for NHL duty now and would add skill and power to the lineup. We've both tossed the STEPAN/BRASSARD scenario out there and I still think it makes the most sense from the Oilers perspective. They don't need another young Center with no real playoff experience like DRAI. They already have RNH and McDAVID will be there this year as well. Wouldn't it be in Edmonton's best interest to have a guy like STEPAN (who has been a #1 Center on a Cup Contending team) to teach the young guys how to be effective 2-way Centers? I can't believe that Edmonton wouldn't be willing to give up DRAI if they were getting STEPAN and TALBOT in return. Forget the 16th pick. It clouds the issue and the Rangers wouldn't be able to draft a player that is likely to be able to help out at the NHL level for at least 2 to 3 years.

Vic


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:59 pm EST

Hospo: I have never heard it so much as I have heard it about this draft...and for such a long time....I man since before the last draft. I tend to think its more likely that way this time around (and will be more like this for a few years until more top end players start to emerge) But the real issue is, what do the Rangers scouts feel...are there 25 guys they have rated about equal? If so than any pick in that grouping, along with the best added pieces will win out...not the individual pick number.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:57 pm EST

What Dreger is posting about Sather looking for re best package not just the best draft pick is exactly what I was hoping his approach would be....not just intent on getting draft choices but looking for more

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:52 pm EST

WILD - I have heard those kind of sentiments in many drafts but not sure I really believe it..nor that teams never target individual prospects and only go for the BPA....also, it's the value (or even perceived value) of the 21st vs 33rd..no way in hell should they be treated anywhere near equal

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:38 pm EST

Hospo: from all accounts the 33 and the 21st are equally valued in this draft....now if it's a 2nd and prospect vs a top 10-15...that different unless it's a killer prospect

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:36 pm EST

Reilly to Minny. He jerked all teams involved around enough to make them think that he wouldnt go to his daddys team and just announced that he is headed there after all

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:35 pm EST

@NYP_Brooksie: Rangers have not been offered 9th, 11th or 12th overall pick straight up for Talbot. NYR would have to give up more... -------and I don't doubt that. Talbot isn't worth that much IMHO especially with just one year left on his deal.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:35 pm EST

If its Dallas, I can only hope somehow either Nichuskin or Roussell make it into the equasion. Pure fantasy but one can hope cant he!!!!

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:32 pm EST

Good to hear on MSL..we need to free up the money....But I still like the guy and hope he has one good year with somebody else..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:31 pm EST

If BUF got a 1st for Lerner and his concussions..the RANGERS better be getting AT LEAST a #1 of equal value for a goalie in his prime that showed he can carry a team......two 2nds and a prospects would be a disaster, hopefully that is old, old news..

Hospo


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:26 pm EST

Larry Brooks: On other news, told that Marty St. Louis not ready to retire. May be some mutual interest in/from Devils, Penguins. Not coming back to NYR.

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:24 pm EST

Wildcard, my sources say Sather turned it down, spit in his face and walked out! Haaa...kidding. I'm just throwing stuff out there...nobody really knows except the GM's on the phone...

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:22 pm EST

Trade Talbot, Klein, & Hagelin for DRAISAITL & a 2nd.... Trade Glass for whatever you can get

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:18 pm EST

jk: doesn't mean he has turned it down, just holding until other teams have a chance to match and out do that offer. We don't know what pick it is.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:17 pm EST

jk: let me amend that...when it comes to the 10-16 pick I have a harder time...I just don't know the line when the players drop off and level off. Have heard it's after 15, after 20, and even after 10.... So a lot depends on that.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:16 pm EST

Sather turning down 1st round pick... I wonder if he is looking to make a bigger trade? #KK

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:12 pm EST

Dreger now saying the Rangers HAVE been offered a first rounder...not from the Oil or Flames.

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:11 pm EST

jk: would like a high second and a good prospect unless it's a top 10 first rounder.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:11 pm EST

Darren Dreger: NYR have been offered a 1st rounder for Talbot. Not from Oilers or Flames. Dallas, SJ and Florida still involved. 1st isn't a deal maker.

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:10 pm EST

Darren Dreger &#8207;@DarrenDreger 17s18 seconds ago NYR are looking for the best overall package, even though a 1st round pick for Talbot is attractive.

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:10 pm EST

@DarrenDreger: NYR have been offered a 1st rounder for Talbot. Not from Oilers or Flames. Dallas, SJ and Florida still involved. 1st isn't a deal maker.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:09 pm EST

Would you rather have 1st and 4th or high 2nd and solid prospect???

jkropp


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:07 pm EST

Wild this makes me feel better from brooks @NYP_Brooksie: Told that Talbot Derby still includes five teams--Edm, Calg, SJ, Dal, Fla.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:06 pm EST

@NYP_Brooksie: Told that Talbot Derby still includes five teams--Edm, Calg, SJ, Dal, Fla.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:58 am EST

Wold = wild

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:58 am EST

Thank you wold I sincerely appreciate that and I will be the first to post if I'm proven wrong and I hope I am

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:56 am EST

Sounds a little less likely Jones is traded by the Kings.....could happen, but not for sure...so Talbot is really the top G left at this point I think

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:55 am EST

whoop...read it too fast....sorry bout that...Ok...you are not on some other planet. And as for affecting the roster...yes it would. Step more than Hags I think...but it also depends on who comes back...because they are not walking away, they will be traded if it comes to that...likely a sign and trade during this summer, unless they know for sure they can't make the cap work...and I think its too soon to KNOW that.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:53 am EST

Also wild I would appreciate you do not use a condescending tone when posting directly to me I believe I treat you the same respect I would like it back. We are both adults and the "what planet are you on?" comments shows immaturity in your part.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:52 am EST

Wild if you scroll down, I believe I used the word "or"

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:48 am EST

Drew: Hags AND step are LIKELY to be lost? What planet are you on? If Stepan is lost due to contract numbers Hags will be an easy signing. And there is more chance they BOTH are retained than even one lost. How you get about saying they are both likely gone is beyond reason.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:47 am EST

td: exactly. Talbot will get moved if Sather wants. I think Sather is perfectly happy with 2 seconds and a mid prospect for him, or just two good seconds. HOWEVER he will let the other teams worry that they will not get him, thus forcing their hand to offer more. And as they get ready to make a selection they will have to worry that the teams behind them in the draft will punch and offer their 1st rounder and they will be unable to match...Sather has the strong position. And more and more it sounds like Lehner was the Sabers guy the entire time, and talking to the Ragners about Talbot MAY have been to get OTT to give in in some way.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:45 am EST

Wild - no I am joking because this organization has never disappointed me. So losing Hagelin or Stepan wouldn't hurt the roster? Because that's likely to happen. Also Wild, I don't know why you get so offended when there is an anti-Ranger sentiment. I want to be wrong - I feel like I wont be.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:44 am EST

DREW - Back of the ledge, dude! I have no doubt the reason nothing has happened with TALBOT is that Sather isn't going for a pair of second rounders. I'd be willing to bet the price is mid-first round or top prospect. He's the best goalie available and what the Sabres did was something predicated on them taking on a bad contract. And really, Sather doesn't have to do squat. He will, because some team is going to pay for Talbot. Worst comes to worse, the Rangers have the best goaltending tandem in the NHL and Talbot gets dealt during the season when one of these lesser goalies shits the bed(see Lehner). But also keep in mind if the rangers DO end up taking Chiarelli up on his chintzy deal, they'll STILL make out like bandits, since Talbot was an unsigned free agent they got for nothing. Really, any worth-while piece we get for him at this point is a coup. Now the question is how much of a coup.

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:44 am EST

Hall, Drai and the 16th pick for Girardi, Stepan and Talbot...do it Sather!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:41 am EST

Drew: Seriously? At the worst there is one RFA that will be lost due to cap constraints. Its not like the top 5 players are all leaving via UFA....this team will remain largely intact going into next season.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:35 am EST

I am not a Sather-basher here. He has made some great trades, some still in question. There is so much of a mess on this current roster. (Cap space to fit our RFAs). I just fear that 2008-2010 ish mediocrity feeling. I am just basing it on my expectation of this team.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:32 am EST

And just because it goes into tomorrow morning doesn't mean the 2nd rounders will be pulled off the table....Sather could go through most of the night, and once the pick he is hoping for a team to finally let go is past he can accept any of the deals for 2nd rounders. Nothing is changing as of yet

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:30 am EST

Soooo...tomorrow is the second round....not tonight. Also someone brought it up again. BUF had Lehner rated higher for multiple reasons. They were NOT going to move a first for Talbot. As I said earlier, BUF always felt like they were kicking the tires on Talbot and not a serious contender.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:25 am EST

So is the sather wind going to blow this? He blink with buffalo? .... As the bs turns so do the days of hockey trades ...stay tuned .... More rumors to follow....twitt on....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:23 am EST

Wild here is one...Unless someone offers NYR a 1st rd pick for Talbot, which I doubt, that deal may wait 'til Saturday. Sather will try for a 1st tonight. — Mark Spector (@SportsnetSpec) June 26, 2015....If the Rangers wait until tomorrow, then the price will just go further down...unless Sather is negotiating 2016 draft picks?

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:19 am EST

WIld - I am following Twitter on my phone (blocked at work). Teams are dropping. There are 2 scenarios I can forsee, 1 - Sather gets a lesser deal then we all expected or 2 - Rangers keep Talbot for next year.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:18 am EST

Lenher has concussion problems, big ones, and is not as proven as Talbot. Ott got a first for him...

Ola


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:17 am EST

Would love to get Jimmy Hayes from Florida...

Ola


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:16 am EST

Drew; What sources are you looking at? All the more reliable ones still say multiple second rounder and prospects....there is no way the offers are all dropping now that there are LESS goalies on the market....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:14 am EST

From the tweets and other sources, it looks like return for Talbot is lessening. 3rd rounders and marginal prospects are now being rumored. Calgary and Florida look to be bowing out. It is very realistic that the Rangers do not make any trades and just pick in their slots.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 11:04 am EST

The regional and local sports people who are "in the know" according to others, all have similar, but contradiction thoughts about Talbot and their team. its 1- "my" team wants him very bad, and will get it done, but the cost will be high. or 2- "my" team wants him but the other team has a better offer. Seems no one is really sure whats going on, that means A- there are a lot of smoke screens out there, or B- things are changing that rapidly, as one team outbids the next.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:23 am EST

"Lehner has for more years" = Lehner has four more years

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:23 am EST

NC: The biggest hang up I think isn't so much the age as Lehner has for more years, and 2 years of RFA after that I think I read....Talbot can't be extended until January, and is a UFA next year. A team rebuilding will want a guy for longer if they are giving up a good assets. Thats why I think the Oilers are "stuck on their 33rd and a good prospect/young player. They don't need the younger player right now, they have enough, but a first rounder that will take a year or two to get to the NHL is perfect for them, hence why they want to keep the 16th overall....and why they are probably concerned with Talbot being able to bounce...that would set them back...I get the concern...

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:20 am EST

NCRanger: I have been saying that for a couple days. If the return for a Talbot/Klein deal isn't big enough, deal them separately. Other teams like the AVS would be in the bidding for a D like him, and if you are going to move him, maximize the return that way. Don't give up Klein just to move up 10 picks in the draft...seems like a lot, but Klein could bring back a high 2nd and a prospect, and those could get you into the 1st round if you wanted, and move you up more like 15 spots...maybe not as high up, but still...Klein has value, he shouldn't be a throw in for a few spots in the draft.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:17 am EST

stevielegs: Sather needs to get the best deal. The lets say...25th pick or some such isn't much better than the 33rd. If its JUST the 25th or the 33rd and a prospect...you take the 33rd and the prospect and its a better trade. every drat is different, this one has the same quality player from mid first to mid second round according to all those scouts out there, and according to a couple GMs who have spoken about it. So as long as its a high second rounder it will be good...unless its vs the 16th overall...I think that pick or one higher would be better...but if its a pick int he 20s....its not that much better.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:13 am EST

Screw Chiarelli-pet and his stance...it's all conjecture and heresay. You won't move the #16 for the top goalie available unless it's part of a broader package? Fine...send KK and Talbot packing and bring back the #16 and Draistatl in the deal. End of story...you don't like it? Then take a 1st and 2nd or future 2nd from Calgary and look to possibly package KK seperately for additional picks. This team can go a long way in this draft to re-stock the empty cupboard and make up for the dismissal of our young assets/picks used in the Yankie Doodle Dandie deal. In fact, I would look to trade him as well if the package/deal is right...I've never been a big fan and he may command a similary haul in terms of what we gave up. Sather - you have a big opportunity here...Rangers fans are waiting on pins and needles...don't screw it up! I actually think it's good the Lehner is off the market....a 1 and they dumped the Legwand contract...if that deal sets the market, I don't see how Talbot doesn't net a first at a minimum. I would be shocked... so what he's a bit older...he'll be in his prime for the next 5-7 years and by far is the best goalie available, contract not withstanding. Get er done Sather!

NCRanger


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:09 am EST

So will it be talbot straight up or more? Whatever doesn't happen sather will say he had other deals but.... Some of he claims are from his imagination ....if he doesn't get a first he blew it....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 10:01 am EST

DOUBLEN: Me neither...so their picks wouldn't be enough. Unless its their 2nd this year and a first next year....not ideal, but still good...and I would gladly take Bjugstad off their roster...but that aint happening...

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:59 am EST

After #11,the Panthers next pick is 77 and the draft is in Florida; don't see them trading their #1 pick.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:59 am EST

Apparently Florida has tossed it hat into e Talbot ring.....sounds like BUF had a different pecking order of goalies...for either the reasons already listed (age contract and such or they see him as better) or the Talbot talks got too rich for them. Hopefully its the Later.....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:58 am EST

Wild -- they're saying the Buff deal is done....I'm talking about what sather should say to the rest of the suitors regarding Talbot

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:57 am EST

From Zip: Calgary has picks 15, 45, 52, 53. Oilers 16, 33, 57. SJ 9, 39, Dallas 12, 49. Guessing Flames, then Oilers could be Talbot's destination

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:54 am EST

Kevin Weekes &#8207;@KevinWeekes 1m1 minute ago On that note,I'm told @FlaPanthers have considerable interest in @NYRangers Talbot as well.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:48 am EST

JFC: When it comes to BUF, they are not concerned with winning hockey games this upcoming season. I mean, they understand they are rebuilding, and their goal is to have a team built to win together. SO they get a young net minder, to go along with their number 2 overall pick, Kane, and whatever else they scare together this year and next through trades and draft, and the season after next and the years following will be looking to start winning more and make the post season. I think the Oilers and Flames, Sharks, and Stars need to win sooner, and that is why Talbot is of more interest to them. Always got the feeling that Buf was just kicking the tires on Talbot, and that those western teams were the real bidders.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:43 am EST

Age could be a reason as well...Talbot 28, Lehner 23

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:39 am EST

I don't think a first was coming from Buf for Talbot...more than one person reporting they gave a first because of contract situation. Talbot could walk and it scared these GMs a little.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:38 am EST

Again. If the Rangers get a top 5 of the 2nd round it's like the bottom 10 of the first from all reports. Basically there is no consensus in order of prospects from 15 or so until mid second round.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:38 am EST

Looks like NICK had this one nailed. Sit and dick around, and no first rounder incoming.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:38 am EST

Value-shmalue....do you watt tre BEST GOALIE AVAILABLE? Do you want to save money or win hokey games? That should be Sather's response. I think the key to Talbot's high regard right now is that he was trained by Benoit Allaire....he has gained Allaire's knowledge and incorporated it into his game. That won't go away and Talbot is the only goalie out there who can say that......and all the other Rangers goalies are going to have that too. Allaire is the NHL's go.aie guru and as such, he has I parted great value to Talbot and the Rangers. THAT is true value!

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:38 am EST

DREW - I don't think so at all. If anything, I think it helps the Rangers by first, setting the price, second, by removing one team with ZERO cap constraints, and third, by finally whipping up the trade waters from the standoff that started earlier this week. If I were Sather, I'd take this one to the floor. Longer he waits, the better value he's going to get. What COULD screw the Rangers is if LA wakes up and decides its trading it's backup...or worse, if the Sens move ANDERSON to Edmonton...now sounding like Calgary is the most likely destination for TALBOT according to rumors...

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:32 am EST

Lehner is signed for four more years; Talbot only 1 more year. That;s the big difference. “@TSNBobMcKenzie: NYR have offer(s) of two second-round picks for Cam Talbot. Waiting to see if they can increase that yield. CGY, EDM, DAL amongst suitors.”

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:31 am EST

Word is two seconds and a prospect from Edmonton for TALBOT. Speculation is that LEHNER's value is higher because he's essentially signed for four years...two under current contract and two more as an RFA...now they're saying there are TWO teams offering two second rounders for Talbot...F-that. Hold out for the first. Better goalie, better deal.

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:27 am EST

I think this Lehner deal actually hurts the Rangers. I hope I am wrong but I feel like whoever gets Talbot, will get him on the cheap or we will just hang on to Talbot. I need Pierre10 back on the boards to get the positive vibes.

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:26 am EST

Wow. Why would Buffalo do that? Pretty surprised. I hope Talbot ends up in Calgary and that they wreck Edmonton regularly.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:24 am EST

McKenzie saying Legwand + Lehner for Buf 21 is done

jim9k26


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:18 am EST

Dreger: NYR are meeting now. Flames are pushing hard for Talbot. Oilers, Stars and Sharks still in mix. Two 2nds plus get it done?

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:18 am EST

Lots and lots of people saying the 21st is no big deal, that a high second is the same. So maybe it's still the 33 involved....don't know. And we won't know for years if that's true....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:18 am EST

Peter Chiarelli said on TSN1260 that he will not be trading the 16th overall pick for a goalie. That said, he has previously stated that he might package that pick in a broader deal including a defenseman...Seems if we want that pick KK is going that way.

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:03 am EST

Dreger saying EDM, SJ & CGY very much in the bidding for Talbot

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 9:01 am EST

If Sather did indeed alert other teams that there is a deal in place and provided the framework to them then what Buff paid to OTT is very telling (I can only hope!!!) because that is a stiff price to pay for an unproven commodity. If Buff felt they got a great deal there they hopefully were blown away by what they may have heard was the price for Talbot

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:58 am EST

Wild if buff is giving a first , the genius better be getting one ... This is suppose to be his forte but that's not saying much.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:57 am EST

I wouldn't put too much stock in what Clark is saying, in terms of what we do tonight. He could simply be stating that the Rangers won't be TRADING AWAY picks in the near term....doesn't necessarily mean they are going to solely acquire picks tonight. Could be a combo of picks and player(s)

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:56 am EST

Guess sather couldn't swing with buffalo. Slow you blow ... In more ways than one...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:56 am EST

Nick: It is a fine line ain't it! I too hopes Ciggy Chomp doesnt overplay his hand and come out looking like Peter Boyle's character Jocko Dundee in Johnny Dangerously and is left "standing here with my dwork in my hand!"

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:55 am EST

@NHLRumorsDaily: Talbot to Edmonton close to done. GMs hammering out last min details. Makes sense as BUF is about to land Lehner....maybe Sather told everyone else it's the oilers.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:53 am EST

From Dreger a min ago: With Lehner to Buffalo, things heat up on Talbot. Oilers and Sharks still keen. Calgary also revisiting Talbot trade this morning.

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:52 am EST

RF: My thoughts exactly!!! A number of teams strongly seeking and interested. Buffalo (assuming this is correct) just blinked and set/ validated the market price Sather has been seeking for the player deemed to be the best G available. In a perfect world we get that #1 and a roster player to fill a need like a Roussell, etc...

PatrickDiv


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:52 am EST

The fact I've hated Sather since 1970 colors my view but I predict he will be left holding his pecker while teams get on with it, and he'll wind up with a third rounder for Talbot.

Nick


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:48 am EST

Bob: Good, that means Talbot's worth a first and a second.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:45 am EST

Buffalo dealing a first for Lehner? Really? Robin Lehner?

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:36 am EST

“@SunGarrioch: #Sens are closing in on a deal for Lehner with the Sabres. Expect a No. 1 pick to be part of the trade and perhaps David Legwand.”

DREW


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:29 am EST

BTW, Soderberg, who is 30, has 3 years of NHL experience and hasn't scored more than 16 goals in a season yet, just signed a 5 year deal $23,750,000 deal. Do ya think Stepan's agent is rubbing his hands in glee over that one? What the hell is Stepan worth compared to Soderberg? There is no way Stepan won't get over $6,000,000/per if that's what he really wants - either with the Rangers or elsewhere.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:25 am EST

LB tweeting he's been told 50/50 chance Talbot talks 'go to floor'. which is precisely what we've been posting about the past couple of days. Sather is either holding out for the best deal or working something bigger (if so likely with Edmonton) and it's going down to the wire because it involves a first round pick.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:25 am EST

The need is players, just players," said Rangers director of player personnel Gordie Clark, who will be running his eighth draft for the organization. "We made these moves to give ourselves a shot. The last two years we were really close but it means giving up firsts and seconds. We’re not going to keep doing that."

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:19 am EST

Nx2: Ooh....then you know of what I type!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:13 am EST

RF4L: We see McKenzie every year during the draft, even when it was on NHLNET. I wait to see who Pierrre's mancrush is. For those who do have NBCSN, watch the special they did on Derek Sanderson..it was very good.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:04 am EST

BTW, my American friends on here who get NBCSN, you get the pleasure of listening to Bob McKenzie during the TV broadcast of the first round tonight. I can't say enough about that man's work - he's actually a pioneer when it comes to reporting on draft eligible kids. He started THN draft preview issues years ago when he was the editor there, before any other publications did that and prior to the exposure this gets now. He knows his stuff. TSN, who employs him here, has been shut out of the draft coverage due to that huge contract between Rogers and the NHL (Rogers owns sportsnets, TSN's biggest rival up here). I've always appreciated his draft coverage work and am sorry he won't be heard up here this time around. For those who plan to tune in tonight, I hope you enjoy the work of a true pro!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 8:01 am EST

RF4L: They have to now or they won't have cap space for D...and they need D. Hell Nick Holden is their number 2 at the moment.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:56 am EST

Throw in jocularity ... Bring out your dead....it's only a flesh wound....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:55 am EST

Wild: Gotta figure next big move there is trading O'Reilly.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:53 am EST

I forget who posted about Evgeny Svechnikov, but here's a story on him and a couple of his goals to boot: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/6/25/8840073/2015-nhl-draft-evgeny-svechnikov-prospect-profile-and-scouting-report

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:53 am EST

AVS signed Soderberg(sp) who they got the rights to for a 6th. 4.75 per for 5 years....the AVS love to spend

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:52 am EST

Phil Kessel a Penguin possibly? It makes sense IMO that Pittsburgh would be interested, but how the hell do they make it work cap wise? The Leafs would have to eat, I think, at least 1/4 of that ridiculous salary, meaning they'd have $2,000,000 black hole in their cap for the next 7 seasons. Even then, salary of some kind would have to come back to the Leafs.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:47 am EST

The Stars are apparently looking at Sharp (why, with Seguin and Spezza there, I don't know) and the Hawks want Roussel in the package back.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:45 am EST

TD: Murray is just posturing. That said, he gave up Bishop for what basically turned out to be nothing - he's probably hoping to make up for that mistake. I concur the market for Lehner cannot be high - if he's looking for the best return he has to move Anderson. Doing that, however, risks having no goaltending next year because it means the Sens twosome would be Lehner and the AHLer named after a freakin' McDonalds character. If so, they'd better hope O'Connor is ready for primetime!

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:42 am EST

IMO, if Hamilton is moved (and I find it hard to believe it'll happen) it's only because the Bruins decide they cannot afford his contract.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:41 am EST

Bob: Gordie probably wanted to throttle his boss after both the MSL and Yandle trades. Hopefully, Sather gives him something more to work with starting tonight than 5 freakin' picks, the first being number 59.

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:40 am EST

Alex Nunn - thanks for that astute piece of insight. Geeesh, do they pay people for such brilliance?

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:36 am EST

Rhet: I think that's part of Anisimov thing. AZ need to reach the floor...and at least AA could help the team as well

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:23 am EST

JFC--agreed. In the AA lounge at Heathrow and read acinicity, burst out laughing and had people staring at me wondering WTF my problem was. RF4L- you are on a serious roll bro. Interesting to read the interview with Gordie Clark admitting that giving away so many #1's to go for it has become problematic relative to the system. He says they need to add talented players to the system.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:19 am EST

Alex Nunn..... Important that Talbot is the first goalie to move today. Bidding war takes a significant hit if someone else is traded before him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:13 am EST

Joe Haggerty..... Most interesting thing I heard yesterday: Marc Savard contract could be in play w/Arizona trade for No. 3 pick. Coyotes need to take on $$$

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:12 am EST

Elliotte Friedman...... Good morning. Word today is Kevin Bieksa has informed VAN he would accept a trade to SJ. Now up to the teams to work out a deal.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:09 am EST

Aaron Portzline.... Per #CBJ - #Coyotes rumors(no. 3 Pick) ... Artem Anisimov seems a strange piece of the offer. Fine player, but 27 years old and one year from UFA.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:08 am EST

tdchi -- I just finished cleaning coffee off my screen after reading RF4L's "asininity" comment and then I read, "Brian Murray is either retarded, drunk or drunk and retarded" and I'm cleaning it again! Thanks a lot!

JFC31


Fri Jun 26 2015 7:03 am EST

re: Dougie HAMILTON - Another deal I just don't understand...man, if Edmonton wants to lose THREE first-rounders for this guy? F-it. He's yours. Bright future...but future hall-of-famer? Meh...Future franchise keystone? Meh...And even with McDAVID, plus (insert goalie name here), I don't see the Oilers going from worst to first next season...B's would probably get something like a top-10 pick, plus two mid-first rounders. Like HANIFAN and he'd make a great story for the B's to tell...but screw that...if Hamilton wants to put them over a barrel to play in the great white north...good luck to you kid. Enjoy your new life mired in the tar sands...low taxes though from what I hear ;)

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:59 am EST

Brian Murray is either retarded, drunk or drunk and retarded if he thinks someone is going to pay TWO picks(a first and a second) for LEHNER, in addition to taking GREENING or LEGWAND off his hands...And that's the popular rumor right now...I mean, I question whether TALBOT can repeat his success last season with another club...but when you look at the stats...when you look at the goalies' play themselves...man, there's just no question that Talbot's the better, more-refined goalie of the two...and teams are allegedly shying away from giving anything more than a pair of second rounders for him?! I mean, Lehner WAS the more valued of the two...but the guy is hovering precipitously close to the 'bust' category of goalies....The Sens traded Ben BISHOP to give that hack a chance at being the starting goalie and he's done zilcho since that time. I just don't get why a team would be that interested in him.

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:51 am EST

Friedman: "I know Pittsburgh's interested" in Kessel. #Pens #Leafs

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:48 am EST

RF4L - re: RYCHEL...less about the Jackets not liking him than it is about them building the team they want, IMO. I think he become expendable because of Boone JENNER...Rychel is a very good young player...bright future somewhere. Not sure why the Yotes would do that deal though, unless they have someone they think is a sure thing later in the draft.

tdchi


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:42 am EST

Darren Dreger ..... Trade interest in Boston's Dougie Hamilton is significant. Some see the Bruins offering Hamilton to Ariz for #3 pick. So much speculation...... Boston-Arizona makes sense if the Bruins use the pick to draft Hanifin who is a local Boston boy.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:32 am EST

Bob McKenzie.... All those teams also monitoring negotiations for pending UFA G Devan Dubnyk and MIN. In any case, Talbot deal likely catalyst for run on Gs.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:28 am EST

Bob McKenzie..... Goalie trade mark percolating but with multiple teams in on NYR Cam Talbot, sense is that deal needs to happen for others to follow.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 26 2015 6:11 am EST

Wild - that's not the first time I've heard Rychel's name being dangled. Guess the BJz aren't enamoured with him. He was picked with the Ranger first in the Nash deal...

RF4L


Fri Jun 26 2015 4:57 am EST

Just an FYI CBus in an attempt to move to 3rd overall is dangling their first round pick (number 8) and Rychel. Now I don't know if there was more involved, but that is the type of return the Coyotes are expecting...for the Rangers to match would be very difficult....and would tear the roster apart

Wildcard


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:22 am EST

Well it could be worse. This could be a Knicks board.

Bob


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:14 am EST

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/asininity

mf


Fri Jun 26 2015 12:08 am EST

LOL @ asininity! Awesome.

Bob


Thu Jun 25 2015 11:57 pm EST

'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there; The children were nestled all snug in their beds; While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads; And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap, Had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap, When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash. The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow, Gave a lustre of midday to objects below, When what to my wondering eyes did appear, But a miniature sleigh and eight tiny rein-deer, With a little old driver so lively and quick, I knew in a moment he must be St. Nick. More rapid than eagles his coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name: "Now, Dasher! now, Dancer! now Prancer and Vixen! On, Comet! on, Cupid! on, Donner and Blitzen! To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall! Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!" As leaves that before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky; So up to the housetop the coursers they flew With the sleigh full of toys, and St. Nicholas too— And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof The prancing and pawing of each little hoof. As I drew in my head, and was turning around, Down the chimney St. Nicholas came with a bound. He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot, And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot; A bundle of toys he had flung on his back, And he looked like a pedler just opening his pack. His eyes—how they twinkled! his dimples, how merry! His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And the beard on his chin was as white as the snow; The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth, And the smoke, it encircled his head like a wreath; He had a broad face and a little round belly That shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly. He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself; A wink of his eye and a twist of his head Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread; He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, And filled all the stockings; then turned with a jerk, And laying his finger aside of his nose, And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose; He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight— “Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!”

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 11:07 pm EST

asininity????..a new candidate for the Wall dictionary!! :)

Hospo


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:52 pm EST

If our guys were as good and coveted as many seem to think, we'd have won the last four Cups. Who the hell is gonna trade the No. 3 pick in a good draft year for a couple of our boatload of 15-goal second-and-third liners?

Nick


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:08 pm EST

Rf: Nope, cause I'm trading Hagelin and Glass, not resigning MSL... There's going to be 13 forwards and if someone is bruised up, give him a maintenance day..... There are plenty of minutes to distribute to 13 forwards .... jmho snatcherally

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:48 pm EST

Rhet; OK, be prepared to give up one of Kreider/Hayes and then Miller and at least a 2nd. I mean, it's really asinine to think that there's even the remotest chance Sather is talking with Maloney about the 3rd overall without a top 10 pick to entice him with. Now multiple the asininity with the notion of Maloney being enticed by the notion of getting Yandle back.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:44 pm EST

RF4L.... Maloney has said that he doesn't need a 1st rounder back. It depends on the quality of the player he's getting.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:44 pm EST

mf: Which means you jettison Moore and keep Lindberg on the farm. Yes?

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:42 pm EST

Fine: Jarret Stoll (RHS) for the bottom 6, probably land him for $1.5mill.... There's dept, FO's, leadership, playoff experience.... costs nothing but money.... Save the few bargaining chips we have

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:39 pm EST

mf: Downie is another embarrassment. Please, just say no.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:36 pm EST

We can have Steve Downie a RHS for $1-$1.5million and have the best 4th line in the league too.. We just need to coach him a bit, so he doesn't wind up in the box without taking one of their guys to the box.... 72gp/14/14/28 --- 238 PIM's http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5180

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:32 pm EST

Maloney will NOT trade the 3rd overall pick without getting another high pick (likely top 10 minimum) in the return package. It's asinine to think otherwise.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:53 pm EST

TD -- that's the kind of deal I'm talking about...

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:46 pm EST

Wild -- if the Rangers make a trade like Talbot/Klein I don't want to just get back draft picks. I would want a draft pick(s) plus a roster player. If we want draft picks, Talbot by himself could get us that....no need to throw in roster players.

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:44 pm EST

TDCHI - I like that trade! Would love Roussel on the Rangers...pie in the sky....As for the draft and prospects, can we please hurry up and get this crap done?

Hospo


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:39 pm EST

TODAY Gorton said that Skapski was hot or miss for the start of the season and that they want him playing in the AHL not backing up in the NHL. I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt he will back up Hank.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:38 pm EST

And if the Yotes are serious about trading the third-overall, I'm on the horn with them to see what it's going to take to get it done. I like HANIFAN, but my target, without a doubt, would be Dylan STROME.Lord knows what it'd take to get that deal done though...I suspect Maloney would want to fleece more roster players from the Rangers...wonder if they'd take YANDLE back...

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:35 pm EST

stevielegs, -- You are so right, Slats that arrogant crusty relic, is so egotistical & unpredictable. He'll probably trade KREIDER & the 2017 1st rounder to Toronto for KESSEL, and then throw HAYES into the TALBOT deal at the last minute for something unexpected.

hipcheck


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:33 pm EST

I was reading somewhere a couple days ago that SKAPSKI's injury won't take as long as some were initially saying it would and that he is the guy the Rangers will tap for the backup...I do think the Rangers will target GUSTAVSSON though, depending on what he wants for salary.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:30 pm EST

JFC - Agreed. ROUSSEL has a rather rare blend of toughness and skill....an agitator who can fight and win...sticks up for his teammates...has size...and his cap hit ain't bad at all...If he were to come to New York, he'd be a fan-favorite overnight...no f'in way the Rangers would be "dumpster diving" for someone of his ilk. Actually, if they put him MOORE and SHEPPARD on a line, that'd probably be the best, toughest fourth line in hockey. I'd take Roussel and Dallas' second rounder for TALBOT in a heartbeat.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:25 pm EST

JFC: fine. Go get him. But not with Talbot and perhaps Klein. There are other things to trade...not all the prospects in the system will have room to make it...figure out who to move...maybe it's Miller if they don't see him taking the next step, or Fast, maybe it's Hags if he will be too pricy...but unless this kid is worth a high pick (and I don't think he is) you don't take him over the high pick.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:22 pm EST

Rousell was given as an example of a guy who can improve our team without costing what you said it would cost. Period. My original post agreeing with Hospo about wanting a roster player back if we're going to lose two roster players is not as outlandish as you tried to make it appear and I did not say the trade would be a "failure" if that did not happen, so you exaggerated that, too. You think it's easy to get a player who can score 15 goals a year and bring the kind of energy, grit and fighting ability that Rousell does by DUMPSTER DIVING? Really? I'd take Rousell on this team in a heart beat. Bottom 6 is an important part of our team and one which fell much shorter than it had when we made it to the SCF....it is one of the important areas we need to improve. Too much finesse, not enough grit

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:16 pm EST

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/25/report-rangers-have-given-five-teams-permission-to-speak-with-cam-talbot/

stevielegs


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:06 pm EST

JFC: I said a "sure thing" to make the team better needs to cost less than the cap sent off. If it can't than that causes a domino effect of changes. You gave the name of a guy who is a bottom 6 grinder...those are easy to find.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:04 pm EST

Stevie: a UFA backup who will be signed.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:00 pm EST

Wild -- you claimed that we'd need 4-5 mil in cap space to get a guy in a trade for Talbot who could make,the team better and you're exaggerating and obfuscating the issue. People who support getting a ROSTER player if we are going to trade Talbot PLUS ? want to get back a roster player who,is going to make us better. Your premise of $4-5 mil to get such a player is simply inaccurate.

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:46 pm EST

Wild who's the backup if he's traded ? That nhl goalie in Hartford Davi ? When he pulls the trigger I'll believe it. Sather is not predictable . His ego rules.

stevielegs


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:42 pm EST

Stevie: he is letting talbots agent talk to the teams...he is trading him.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:41 pm EST

That Awards show last night totally embarrassing. There were parts like Bettman with whatshisname's daughter reading her letter about getting him traded that made me cringe and change the Channel. That was not the only time.....that show was unwatchable-able.

MelvilleFred


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:41 pm EST

He's a bottom 6 player with limited offensive ability....there are a dozen of those gritty bottom 6 guys in UFA every year...why use an asset to trade for one?

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:40 pm EST

I get the feeling sather doesn't really want to trade the prince. Maybe he feels he needs the insurance more than what he'll get and will wait to the deadline or even let him walk . .... What I want to see is the nyr get a hardnosed player who can play like lucic . .... They are missing that ....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:38 pm EST

JFC: if you don't have less cap hit coming back. You need to remove other parts of the roster. Bringing in one sure thing and removing a known thing that for sure showed up last season does nothing but move the team laterally

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:38 pm EST

Here's an example of a guy who has the ingredients to fill a need on the Rangers and wouldn't cost crazy money: Antoinne Rousell Dallas Stars $1.6 mil salary

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:31 pm EST

Per Frank Isola..... June 25, 2015: Knicks president Phil Jackson drafts Kristaps Porzingis...... February 20, 2016: Knicks president Isiah Thomas trades Porzingis

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:28 pm EST

Wild -- a sure thing doesn't have to cost crazy cap money....I want a player that is a sure thing to fill a need for this team. The original premise for your comment was based on Talbot + a roster player....well, both of those ingredients remove $$ from the cap so there wIll be money freed up but again, the main point is getting a roster player who will be SURE to make the team better via filling a need.

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:27 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun..... Increasingly hearing name of Milan Lucic out there on trade market. Doesn't mean he'll move but Bruins listening...

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:21 pm EST

Is it a bluff?? Per the Edmonton Journal.... Reports: Craig Anderson expects to be dealt to the Edmonton Oilers, even as team interviews Cam Talbot.... http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2015/06/25/craig-anderson-expects-to-be-dealt-to-the-edmonton-oilers-even-as-team-interviews-cam-talbot/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:21 pm EST

Can the Latvian screen the goalie for the Rangers PP?

pa.rangersfan


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:10 pm EST

Kristaps Porzingis. Every time the Knicks take a white guy with the first pick it never ends well. Retire Phil.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:09 pm EST

Wild.... Yeah, I also think they both have a handshake agreement.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:08 pm EST

Rhet. Honestly I think the NHL wants it all tomorrow evening. To get people buzzing and talking NHL and more interested in watching the draft to hear any further trades live.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:01 pm EST

I could be wrong , but I don't expect any big NHL trades during the NBA draft.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:45 pm EST

JFC: ok sounds great. So. You think there is a sure thing that could be had that didn't cost 4-5 mil against the cap? Because if they cost that much you start a domino effect of roster change...and the roster needs tweaked not changed over.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:40 pm EST

Dreger on Maloney, No. 3: "I'm 60/40 now leaning towards him moving the pick just because of all the teams throwing things at the #Coyotes."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:33 pm EST

Tom Gulitti ..... Qualifying offers are due by 5 p.m,. Monday or RFA becomes a UFA instead.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:22 pm EST

Wild -- the Rangers need an infusion of grit and a player or two who plays a style that is compatible with PLAYOFF hockey....a player who can get to,the net, fight through the obstruction and play hard on the boards.....WE DON'T HAVE IT and the last 2 POs have proven it. THAT is why we need to bring in players who will be in the starting lineup....hopefully to bring the ingredients that we lack. If they were on the roster already, as you seem to be conjecturing, they surreal hell didn't show it for past 2 POs and I don't see it suddenly appearing. McI can provide size and hitting but it is at FORWARD that we need to IMPORT what we now lack. That is why it will be a waste of resources and opportunity if we trade Talbot in a package involving a roster player and get back nothing but POTENTIAL. We have that in Miller and Kreider....I want a sure thing.

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:15 pm EST

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=flying+pig&gbv=2&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=XX2MVafTE4u3yATsiZjYCQ&ved=0CBQQsAQ&tbm=isch

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:13 pm EST

Rumor has it that the Coyotes are listening to offers for the Third pick. If we can get the 16th from Edmonton for Talbot, I would try to flip that with a player for number Three. I would love to see us pick Noah Hanifin.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:08 pm EST

Hospo: I know. That's my point. I was writing that due to the "they better get a roster player who will start day one" when they talk about trade returns...so they have decided if they don't get that it's a failed trade...but that's silly if they already have "that guy".

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:52 pm EST

WILD - IF, If, If ,if, if.....if pigs could fly..but seriously, the same can be said for any team and a team's evaluation of their own players should indeed guide any trade strategy..We'll see soon enough how the Rangers value their younger players and their needs.

Hospo


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:43 pm EST

If the Rangers feel they have a guy who will start day one already in the system...why would they go trade for a guy ready to start day 1? If they are 100% confident in the young D, that one of them will be there from the start that if they trade Klein it will be for assets...and if they feel Miller will take the next step and Kreider will take another step than they will feel that they don't need to get a guy for that either. They will not get what they feel they have already....that would be silly. We just have to hope they make the right reads on what they do and don't have.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:39 pm EST

Nice little write up on the Ranger's needs going to the Draft at http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/2015-draft-preview-rangers-can-take-first-day-off/..I think the writer hits the nail on the head regarding the Rangers overall success despite lack of number 1's, their short term needs (I think Shaw and Clifford would be two players almost everybody would like) and long term needs...

Hospo


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:09 pm EST

Hip: you're probably drooling because no one in their right mind should have to make facial contortions in an attempt to pronounce that name... :-) can we rename him "Jones?"

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:07 pm EST

OMG the first (pre)draft trade just went down: The rights to Sodoberg for a 6th. Let the dominos fall!!!!!

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:07 pm EST

Jfc: moneywise, I believe that in addition to Talbot, we need to part with Glass at $1.45mill and 1 other roster spot salary.. The amount of that other salary is going to dictate the caliber of the player we can hope to bring in... ie: a $3,$4,$5 mill contract or more & a slight rainy day fund...

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 4:06 pm EST

Rights to SODERBERG traded to the Avs for a 6th rounder. O'REILLY trade coming soon...

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:58 pm EST

Oh and Skapski needs a full year in Hartford....

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:57 pm EST

Gross has some thoughts from Clark.on his blog. Hilites for me: No mention of McI. Musing Skeji could make the team sometime next season. Fogerty is on the radar (of course so are Buch and Tambellini). Trading of 1sts and 2nds hasto stop .

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:52 pm EST

PatrickDiv, -- You have me drooling over that kid you mentioned, SVHECHNIKOV!! I wish the Rangers would draft that-type-of player ever single year. Exactly what this Organ"i"zation needs.

hipcheck


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:44 pm EST

LeBrun: Coyotes have two "firm" offers on the table for the number three pick outright, plus a couple others for players and the pick....whoah...no surprise here: Rangers have four "solid" offers for TALBOT from the Oil, Stars, Buffalo and San Jose.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:41 pm EST

Hospo -- agreed....if the Rangers part with Talbot + a roster player, they damn well better get back someone whose going to be on the lineup on Opening Day

JFC31


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:35 pm EST

RF4L: I want Klein to be shopped separate if they are going to trade him. More teams will be in the bidding for a D than a goalie. There are teams like the AVS who are fine in net, but need D in a bad way. The return would be larger than if he is tied to Talbot because there are less teams bidding.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:25 pm EST

TD: IMO comparing Edmonton now in terms of who they might be willing to move and the Rangers when Kreider showed up is akin to comparing apples and oranges. Without getting too deep, essentially the difference is this: The Oilers are brimming with young talent (and about to land the Next One), but have sucked for years and the pressure is on to start turning the corner NOW. The Rangers didn't at the time have near the talent and weren't coming off years of futility. Totally different motivation factors. That said, I'm not saying Drai is available but something of real value needs to be offered up over there is they want to make some moves this summer to turn that organization around. Talbot alone will help but isn't the sole answer. That defense is horrid - it needs to be addressed as badly as the netminding issue.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:22 pm EST

All I can say is that the Rangers better get something more than somebody who MIGHT be able to help in three years for two players (Th Prince and Klein) that helped make them the best team in the League last year..But, hey, if one wants to watch the Rangers slide backwards just so one can dream about some future that may never be, well. not my cup of tea..But, all up to Sather....

Hospo


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:20 pm EST

RF4L: With you on Meier. I was looking through the top 1st round potential picks and he stood out to me as well.

RDW


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:13 pm EST

RF4L - rumor I heard was the Rangers are dangling KLEIN with TALBOT for the first...and that Monster rumor? F'in Ecklund pilfered that from me! I mentioned that about a week ago on these very bricks...

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:04 pm EST

Vic - I just don't see the Oil moving him or the Rangers offering what it would take to get them to consider such a move. I mean, look at it this way: do you think the Rangers would have traded KREIDER a month after his debut in the playoffs? Sure...if the offer was right...but what team would have overpaid for him? None. And re: YANDLE - we agree that he will likely be moved, but I think you're being a little tough on the guy. Doubt he wins a Norris anytime soon, but he was badly miscast by the Rangers and paired with guys he really had no business being beside(BOYLE/HUNWICK). I'd be interested to see what happens with him and KLEIN if they're both still Rangers or McILRATH...but I doubt we get that chance....as for DUCLAIR...realize the Rangers have zero spots in their top nine without tradin a forward...FAST and MILLER are projected to stay in the top 9, Duke would have likely stayed at fourth line or in Hartford absent a real strong showing in camp, IMO. It's the same reason I suspect our other third rounder from that draft year --BUCHNEVICH --is staying in the KHL.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 3:00 pm EST

Meier this year for the Halifax Mooseheads: In 61 games 44 goals and 90 points (59 PIMS). DeBrusk for the Swift Current Broncos in 72 games, 42 goals and 81 points (40 PIMS).

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 2:57 pm EST

Here's a kid who could be available come the 16th pick who looks quite enticing: Timo Meier, a Finn: "A physically dominant winger with the ability to play in a skill or character role. In the offensive end, Meier is very aware and gets himself into spaces where he can easily make seeing eye passes or snap hard, accurate shots. Can impact the game in a number of different ways, and is very consistent in his efforts. All-in-all, the kind of versatile player that you can put on a skill line, and trust to create dangerous chances, or on a shutdown line, and trust to help stop pucks from going into your net."

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 2:52 pm EST

AOON - Louie DeBrusk's son is slotted to be selected mid to late first round and it's conceivable he'll be available come the 21st pick (Buffalo's 2nd first). Unlike his dad, however, Jake isn't huge (6'180") and isn't devoid of hockey skills. Here's a scouting report on him: A two-way winger with good mobility and scoring ability. Willing to battle in the dirty areas and can always find the puck and make the smart play below the hashmarks. Shows good creativity and deception with the puck. Good individual skills and makes good use of any time and space found. DeBrusk won't beat you up physically, but he can definitely beat you up on the scoreboard. All-in-all, a competitive two-way winger with the natural goal scorer's instincts."

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 2:37 pm EST

I would love to expand the potential deal with EDM to maximize the return but here's hoping Slats can win the game of chicken he is currently playing and at least pry #16 away from them. There is a Russian kid named Svhechnikov who is ranked 18th on McKenzie's list who looks very appealing. 6’2” 200lbs (55GP, 32-46-78 with 70 PIMs) & got nailed with a 3 game suspension for two-handing a player in the neck! A big ball of skill and nasty at #16...

PatrickDiv


Thu Jun 25 2015 2:30 pm EST

FWIW, Eklund predicting the Rangers will look to sign the Monster to replace the Prince.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 2:23 pm EST

So prospective Talbot teams are allowed to chat with his agent to gauge the Prince's desire to go to their respective city and team. Apparently, no discussion on salary expectations are permitted. Yeah right! I wonder if Talbot is prepared to rule any destination out at this time. From a nice city perspective, I'd think he'd prefer SJ or Dallas over Buffalo or Edmonton. However, the latter 2, arguably, have more young talent than the first 2 and are on their way up (especially, I'd say, Edmonton). Dallas has a ton of forward talent, although their backline needs work. I can't figure out what SJ is doing - retooling? Going for it? Rebuilding? Hopefully, Talbot has instructed his agent not to disrespect any team/city - the bigger the net, the bigger the return. I will say this: If I were in his shoes, the Oilers would be very alluring given the array of talent there and the imminent arrival of the Next One.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 2:02 pm EST

RF4L ..youre right about Bettman, I thought it was more like 15 teams, it was only 6. (2 were in the works) He did however explode the revenue by exposure in the South, TV deals etc. He is working for the owners, so of course he is biased in their favor.

WIOSA


Thu Jun 25 2015 1:48 pm EST

LB tweeted Rangers are pushing for a 1st for Talbot....HUGE news!

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 1:39 pm EST

TD: Does it matter if DRAI is being shopped or if the Oilers are looking to deal him? When you are the guy holding the goods the other guy wants you set the terms. You want TALBOT then DRAI comes back in the deal. Now, lets talk about what we are going to add to TALBOT so that you are going to feel good about it. Remember, you have to give to get.

Vic


Thu Jun 25 2015 1:36 pm EST

WILDCARD: I don't know where you got the notion that I am linking YANDLE to the Cap issues for this year. I've talked about both but not for the reasons you seem to believe. What I've said about YANDLE is that obtaining him was outlandishly stupid given what the Rangers had to give up to get him. I've said that given the Rangers Cap woes it would have been really nice to have DUCLAIR on an entry level contract as that 12th forward and a guy that can provide the scoring that MSL did in terms of points but that option is gone now. For that reason obtaining YANDLE was negative with respect to the Cap for this year. I've also said that moving YANDLE saves them little against the Cap this year as Phoenix is eating half of his contract. I've said that I don't believe the Rangers can resign him for a dollar amount that is acceptable as he is likely to go for $7Mil on the open market. I've said that I have a hard time believing that the Rangers are going to go into the 2016-2017 with 4 D making over $22 and 3 of the 4 being over 30. I've said that while it is possible for the Rangers to resign YANDLE doing so would hurt the team badly in terms of Cap dollars available for the rest of the team and the much needed top end talent infusion. I['ve also said that YANDLE is a damn liability on the ice and doesn't score nearly enough to offset that. As for this year's Cap troubles I have been probably the biggest blowhard on here ALL YEAR about how the Rangers were going to be up against a wall Cap wise and were going to have to move someone they didn't want to. Starting in November I speculated if it would be one of STEPAN/BRASSARD with HAYES being targeted to replace the one that goes. That was well before the asinine trade for YANDLE. As for who would I rather have on my team, KK or YANDLE I would take KK every day. I don't like YANDLE's game. I think he causes more chaos in his own end then he is worth. And, he doesn't add much of anything to this PP.

Vic


Thu Jun 25 2015 1:32 pm EST

TD: The only name I've heard on the Oiler side is that fringe defenseman. Him and pick(s).

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 1:02 pm EST

Another rumor is Murray is asking for a "top-6 forward" or equivalent in prospects/picks for LEHNER or ANDERSON.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 12:57 pm EST

BIEKSA asked to waive no-trade clause...canes apparently shopping SKINNER...

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 12:49 pm EST

Vic - again, I haven't read/seen anywhere or anyone suggesting DRAISAITL is available, much less being shopped. I know it's fun to muse, but I think that's a nonstarter with the Oil just as much as Taylor HALL is.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 12:48 pm EST

Just make the deal, Slats. Talbot isn't Patrick Roy 1986. Get it done before you sit there like a dope and get left over a barrel. Then retire.

Nick


Thu Jun 25 2015 12:31 pm EST

Seems like the combo deal (Klein & Cam) is off and it's strictly the best deal for Cam-think they will be dealt seperately. It could happen on the floor-if a team like Edmonton/Calgary, or SJ loses the player they want by the time they pick-they might swap for Cam. Should be fun.

puckyou


Thu Jun 25 2015 12:20 pm EST

WILD: or perhaps they are in Palm Springs for 18.

E


Thu Jun 25 2015 11:55 am EST

RF4L: Even if one team thinks another guy is better, and they had the best offer...I would bet the second best offer will still be damn good. Sather may have 3-4 offers on the table, the least of which he may have been happy with if it was the best offer. This could be win-win-win for the Rangers.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 11:38 am EST

Don't be surprised if the Talbot move gets delayed to the point where it happens on the draft floor Friday night. How gutsy is Sather is really the question - is he holding out until the last second in effort to get maximum return? If he believes he has the best goalie available and it certainly seems that way based on everything we're reading, then the risk of holding isn't high - it's not like the deadline where you run the risk of the asset getting hurt (like what happened with Richter when it looked like the Blues were after him and he suffered that concussion).

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 11:00 am EST

Stoll had his felony dismissed...now it is 2 non-drug related misdemeanors...so no visa issues...

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:55 am EST

Rumors all over this morning....looks less and less likely Talbot gets moved today....even sounds like new teams are jumping in, or perhaps its more like teams that were in before than went quiet have rejoined the conversation....like Calgary for instance, haven't heard boo about them in days, now they are right back in the mix. Sather is going to have his pick of deals during the day today and into tomorrow.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:55 am EST

That's pretty much why I asked.

thedoc85


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:54 am EST

I would bet Sather is already in Florida, I am sure his jet left Vegas within an hour or two of the awards being done. Got to wonder...did he give a ride to any other GMs who may have been there, and talked deals on the flight?

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:52 am EST

And to give each guy what they want, or what they deserve, the Rangers would need to clear about 2 mil after they trade Talbot, and if they trade Klein. Why everyone is so against trading Klein I will never understand, he is good, but not that great....dont forget now, there were 5 D who averages over 20 min her night...Klein was not one of them....he average 18 and change. Not that he is easily replaced, but he is tradable and the best option of all the D to move. He will most likely never have a year like he did last again in his career. Some GM will overpay to get him. Goo around the NHL and I guarantee than every GM would rather have Yandle that Klein...but for some reason you want to jettison Yandle in order to keep Klein. Makes no sense.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:50 am EST

Do we know anything about Chomp's ETA in Florida??

thedoc85


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:48 am EST

Also, even if they extend Yandle right now, today, his cap hit doesn't change a lick for this upcoming season...so still...it matter zero when it comes to this years cap.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:47 am EST

Vic: This year and extending Yandle have NOTHING to do with each other. You combining things that matter ZERO to each other. I also said they COULD sign them all if the players wanted to stay, and the proper moves were made...but yes one of those guys may need to move...but that has ZERO to do with Yandle extending AFTER this season. Because once again, if they can get everything under this years cap, they can do it again next year since 4.5 mil of Boyle comes off, 1.5 of Moore comes off. Both can be replaced for less, and part of Boyles Money goers to Yandle, and the cap increase covers the re0signing of RFAs since I doubt as Brooks and others talk, that there will be any 1 year deals singed this season. Rather likes 2 year bridge deals, and the other guys will sign team friendly deals or be dealt. But Yandle resigning has ZERO to do with the RFAs this season. Stop combining it as if one matter to the other.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:15 am EST

WILDCARD: Didn't we just do this yesterday. Don't you recall admitting that the Rangers couldn't resign STEPAN, HAGS, MILLER and FAST, find a 12th forward, have a 7th defender and/or 13th forward and leave cap space for the year and deadline? The only way to keep all of those guys is to shed a big contract THIS YEAR. Shedding KK is not a viable option for a GM with a brain. Obviously to keep STEPAN someone else in his price bracket would have to go. Otherwise it could be STEPAN going. But someone has to go to create the Cap space for this year. As for YANDLE if you can't agree to a contract with him in the off season you aren't going to resign him. You can't wait until the deadline as we've discussed before. If this guy is so enamored being on this team with talent around him instead of being the big dog on a pile of shit he should want to resign here and get a contract worked out now.

Vic


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:04 am EST

DOUBLEN: The owners just voted (was it last season?) to extend his contract with the NHL. It was unanimous....of course I expect it will always be 30-0 one way or another....being the outlier would be bad for an owner....

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:03 am EST

Well per Brooks, it sounds like Talbots agent is being aloud to talk with teams to see if Talbot would be willing to extend his contract, can't until January 1 but I guess to figure out if he would. That is nothing but good news, if he says he will extend with a team than that team would be more willing to give up more to get him since it would be more long term than just one season.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 10:01 am EST

RF4L: Doesn't Bettman act on behalf of the owners..and he is making them a boatload of money and that's all that counts, otherwise if they are unhappy with him ,then wouldn't they vote to get rid of him.

DOUBLEN


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:54 am EST

Vic: I will say it again. The space ALREADY exists to sign Yandle once this deal is over. They don't need to move a 5 mil player to clear the space for that.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:50 am EST

Personally, I don't want the 16th pick, or any pick in a deal that the Rangers make for TALBOT (and another player). I simply don't trust the Rangers with the pick. I don't care that their track record has been better over the last few years. I just know that we have seen previous deep, can't miss drafts where the Rangers made the only pick that didn't pan out (JESSSIMAN anyone?). And even though they have drafted some decent players more recently there have been times where a solid blue chip player was passed over for a long term project (as in BIG MAC). The Rangers need to strike gold on this trade. They need to land a blue chip prospect that will help this team this year and moving forward. The Rangers are almost never in this situation where they are dangling a player that is highly coveted around the league. SATHER can't miss this chance to score big. IMHO he has to bring back DRAI in this deal. And he needs to trade one of his $5 Million+ guys along with TALBOT to get it done. By trading a high dollar roster player the Rangers make it possible to resign their existing RFAs and clear space to sign YANDLE. It is the only way to make it all work for this year and for the next several years giving them a potential elite player. We've already talked about who could be included in the deal but it really needs to be either one of STEPAN/BRASSARD or GIRARDI/STAAL. Time is running out GLENNIE BOY. Once other dominoes start falling it may be too late. Make the call to CHIA-PET. Get it done!

Vic


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:25 am EST

will face Philly and Washington 5 times, and will play 4 games against Carolina, Columbus, NJ, Islanders & Pitt

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:24 am EST

#NYR do not have a homestand or a road trip longer than 3 games during the 2015-16 regular season. First time this has happened since 41-42.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:20 am EST

"The Rangers have 17 back-to-back games in the 2015-16 regular season. #NYR will play 14 games in the months of November, February and March." Thats not very nice sounding now is it.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 9:11 am EST

If the Rangers have decided to move Klein I wonder if they can get the 40th overall plus for him from the AVS. They need D, and are about to go after UFAs who I'm sure will cost 3-4 mil the way the UFA market is. They won't get a top 6 guy for him I don't think...at least not one who makes as little as he does. Just musing, I mean, I don't WANT him traded, but if that's the course they are taking...

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:59 am EST

moosing.... Once again, LA is losing Regeher to retirement, Voynov is suspended indefinitely, Anaslime has the room in cap and roster spot

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:56 am EST

mf: Do you have insider knowledge on whether either team wants Boyle? Or you're just musing here...

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:53 am EST

Anaheim and L.A. are potential targets for Dan Boyle, we just need Boyle to agree.

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:51 am EST

Stevie: absolutely.. You have a system in place to comb the rags for ideas.. Better to have many eyes on a situation.. "If you see something say something mentality." However, it gets to the point where you have to have conviction, make choices & decisions and stick to your guns.. Otherwise you liable to get lost in opportunities... Jmho

mf


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:46 am EST

That's almost as many lock-outs he's orchestrated.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:44 am EST

BTW, Buttphuck didn't explode the league. When he came on board there were already 24 teams with 2 more set to come onboard (1 year after he was hired). Under his watch, the league has added 4 teams.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:32 am EST

And FWIW, I like Neil Smith and always have. And he was the architect for the cup team. For that, I have nothing but gratitude towards him, even despite the fact he let the team slide into a giant fustercluck a few years later.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:31 am EST

WIOSA: I hate Buttphuck because he's all about $$ and gives 2 shits about how the game is played. Meanwhile, he puts his smarmy face all over the media lauding the league and how fabulous it is. For sure, he's a very clever businessman - he makes like $9,000,000 a year, which puts him near the top in comparison to player salaries. That's what counts for him. Nothing else. Prick.

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:27 am EST

Ola: FWIW I am against the trade (if it's actually there). I want the 16th for Talbot solo. Or the 21st (from Barfalo). Or I'll offer KK solo for one of those picks. Together, I want more than the 16th. Like the 16th and Drai....

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:25 am EST

Sens resign Zibanejad to a 2 year deal at $2,650,000 per. He's coming off his first decent season (20 goals and 46 points). He was drafted 6 overall, 9 picks ahead of JT Miller, who himself seemed to have a season where he's finally showing why he was selected where he was selected and could/should evolve into a top 6 NHL forward. In looking at his stats, however, Miller has never scored more than 25 goals in a single year (no stats available prior to him joining the US development team in 09). What is this kid's offensive upside? Would you include him as part of a mega-deal if it helped bring back someone like Taylor Hall (of course, salary cap concerns notwithstanding)? Just musing here folks - not advocating shopping him. What if there's a deal out there like Hall, Drai and a 2nd for Staal/Girardi, Talbot and Miller. Would you do it?

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:25 am EST

Stevie tend to agree. Our last cup we didn't draft most of those payers, they were calling us the "oilers east". Sather is disliked, Smith was too. Sather I understand because of the initial years of futility, but give the man credit where its due. Smith Ill never understand. Many said it wasn't him it was Keenan. Hello? Who hired Keenan? Who got Messier? Graves? A whole host of players. Yet they prefer to say it was Keenans doing. Go figure. To a certain extent I don't understand the pure hatred towards Bettman either. I don't understand, did they prefer only 6 teams with no national (USA) coverage? He exploded this league. Does he do things to favor owners, errr yeah, who hired him? Curious.

WIOSA


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:24 am EST

I lol at talks of how Talbot almost get us 16 OA from EDM, but If we add Klein we will get it??? People are obsessed with the draft if they think it's worth to give up Klein to move up like 15 spots or whatever....

Ola


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:10 am EST

I'd rather get brassard in a trade than pick him in the first round then trade him ... All this hockey purist theories on building a winner and that's the only way is rarely realistic in practice.... No matter what sather does many will disagree just because it's him ....even if the nyr win it all next year he will get the neil smith treatment ..woulda could a shoulda .. What have you done lately ? .... So if lb reads the wall does sather and veenknow and the players? ...

stevielegs


Thu Jun 25 2015 8:01 am EST

Ahh, Michael Sauer. What could have been, eh? Why that dude didn't wear his helmet securely strapped to his susceptible noggin still baffles me. I wonder what the Ranger defense would look like today if he'd remained healthy. And for his sake, I sure hope he's recovered to the point where he's able to lead a normal life. Interesting that the Rangers have never bothered to let its fanbase know how Sauer made out. On purpose or they just don't care?

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:52 am EST

York: Yep, I'll give Sather credit for the past few years but I ain't about to start stroking the man - he's not captured the cup yet and some of his most recent moves and signings are very questionable. Besides, someone has to counter all you Sather strokers in here!

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:50 am EST

Rhet: No wonder Sather is holding out for a top return - that's rather pompous of Murray, don't you think? That return PLUS take a bad contract?

RF4L


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:40 am EST

TD what Boston lucked into doesn't mean the rangers would be that lucky

York18


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:30 am EST

Per Bruce Garrioch, Bryan Murray is reportedly looking for a top six forward or two top-end draft picks (in the first two rounds) along with shedding either David Legwand or Colin Greening's salary in the deal for either goaltender Robin Lehner or Craig Anderson.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:23 am EST

Well it would be Talbot and Klein, but just for the 16th. Taking what Klein could get you on his own and what Talbot could get on top of the 33rd than you are essentially trading Talbot 2 seconds and a good prospect for the 16th and losing Klein in the process. Far too much.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 7:18 am EST

td: I am pretty sure the oilers will not give up the 16th pick unless Klein is involved. Now perhaps they can get one of the other teams first rounders that's in the 20's but probably not a prospect that's any good along with it. So if the oilers will give a good prospect and the 33rd pick your only moving back a tiny bit, and you get a good prospect. Klein than could get a pick in the first half of the second round, all be it closer to the middle of the round and another pick or prospect, maybe a2nd this year and one next or something like that. The Rangers haven't picked that high in the second round in the last 10 years, and in this draft there is little to no difference between number 20 and number 30. But to give up 2 second rounders (essentially) to move up 10 spots seems like too much, or two seconds and a good prospect to get to number 16. Because that's what your doing if you add Klein to get a first or a mid first.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:31 am EST

TD truth is I would rather a blue chip prospect over a pick in any round ala McD or Hayes, that's just me. I don't get excited about the draft like everyone else. RF you keep beating this drum about a future YOU have made up in your head of doom a gloom and bash sather for it but the truth is right now and for some time sather as much as I couldn't stand him has been a very good GM and has done right by this team.

York18


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:25 am EST

TD so now you're discounting someone you counted to once again further your point if they counted before they count now which means it is above 60% and the nonsense of have two in case if injury is silly there is nothing saying both second rounders don't bust or become NHL players. Just keep what your saying fair and don't fudge the numbers to prove your point.

York18


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:22 am EST

Re: STOLL - Great player, he'd be good at faceoffs, he's a great bottom line player, but we have Dom MOORE already and he's NOT facing felony drug charges in Vegas. NTM, depending on what the outcome of his case is, there's a chance he'll have trouble crossing the border...If I recall correctly, that was the case with PROBERT...Don't have a problem with him coming here on a try-out a la MALONE, but I just don't see a spot for him here anymore. Good player though.

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 6:16 am EST

York - Never said he wasn't. But if we're gonna say 'better to have two picks than one because that one may get a career-ending injury"...well....we got one and a half seasons of SAUER and he ain't coming back...I'd say that counts as one in the career-ending injury side. Even if you DO add Sauer in and then figure NIEVES becomes a contributing NHLer...with Dubinsky, Anisimov, Stepan and Cliche...well, that's six of 12 second-round picks that 'made it' and that's STILL no better than the 60 percent they're averaging with first rounders. Keep in mind too that if McILRATH makes it like I believe he will, that's 70 percent...and at this point, I have no reason to believe SKJEI won't make the NHL eventually in some capacity...that would bring use to nine out of the past 10 Ranger first-round picks making the NHL...Look, I'd be an idiot to argue second or third rounders aren't valuable...actually, the QUALITY of player the Rangers have gotten with their second rounders that did make it is VERY good...Step, Dubes and Anisimov were great second round finds, as was Sauer before he went down...but the point is, if you're between taking someone in the first or two guys in the second, I'll take the first every day of the week and twice on Sunday...even in the case of our last first rounder...the 28th overall which Tampa parlayed into a pair of second rounders...I think they would have been better off drafting...I mean, the Bruins took PASTRNAK with the 25th overall and he's already playing in the NHL...And its better for us to take two second rounders instead? C'mon. You're not going to argue that are you?

tdchi


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:55 am EST

mf I had the same thought STOLL could be this years MALONE. Righty Center with something to prove.

Pal17


Thu Jun 25 2015 5:53 am EST

TD of course you count sauer he was a top 4 pair on a juggler basis he didnt bust he was a solid pick saying you're not counting him due to injury is just serving to fuel your purpose of firsts bs seconds and nothing more. He was a good pick

York18


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:46 pm EST

With all the hardware that Price won tonight, I guess they forgot the trophy for biggest postseason choker.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:21 pm EST

Rhet: thanks, I'm reading about it now on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offer_sheet

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:13 pm EST

MF..... There is no difference. RFA's can only start talking to other team's on June 29th.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:50 pm EST

Top 15 NHL unrestricted free agents of 2015.............http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2015-nhl-unrestricted-free-agents-contract-years-cody-franson-mike-ribiero-antoine-vermette-mike-green-justin-williams/

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:18 pm EST

TD: Your analysis of how the Rangers have fared first vs second vs third is very close to the overall average in general when it comes to comparing success rate round by round. It's what I've been pounding on in here for years but is ignored by many who are so set on defending Sather and all things Rangers. Some people argue just to argue methinks...

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:17 pm EST

Rhet: if a team tenders an offer to another team's RFA before July 1st vs. after July 1st, is the compensation due to the team losing said RFA greater??? thanks man

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:11 pm EST

Per Ken Campbell...... &#8207; Kessel submits a list of 8 teams to which he'd accept a trade July 1 of every year. That list lasts until the next July 1.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:52 pm EST

Pat Leonard..... Tough for #NYR's Rick Nash to have a better regular season than he did & still not voted to 1st or 2nd team all #NHL. Ovechkin, Benn at LW

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:51 pm EST

E - First of all, you're more likely to hear Ranger fans say McILRATH is a bust than that he's a shoe-in for the team...I mean, some boobs out there are saying SKJEI is higher on the depth chart...the reality is, only the Rangers know where Mack is in the grand scheme of things...I think the people who have seen him play agree that he's ready for a regular shift in the NHL...and here comes the next caveat: Mack has to go through waivers next fall so I'm pretty sure that if he DOESN'T make the team, he has to go through waivers to report to Hartford and frankly, I believe there's at least one of 29 teams who will decide he IS ready for the NHL...so the choice then becomes keeping him as a seventh defender or letting him take a stab as a regular spot in the lineup. Sure, the safe bet is to keep KLEIN...but then you have to start talking cap...Either he or YANDLE has to go...and if you trade the latter, then the discussion switches to who you're going to play in his spot...HUNWICK? Hmm...I suppose the return for Yandle could bring a good serviceable blueliner for the left side...but then what do you do with Mack? Sit him on the bench until the injury bug strikes? All this will play out soon, but my hunch is that Klein starts the season on another team.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:40 pm EST

Wildcard - No way would I forgo a first rounder in the top 20 for a couple of second rounders or three third rounders or whatever...especially not with Gorton on board...check this out: Of the Rangers last 10 first-round picks, six are regular NHLers...one tragically died...and two others (McILRATH and SKJEI) are waiting in the wings...so even if you consider those two busts...and not to sound callous, but Cherepanov's death 'a career-ending injury'...they're running s a 60 percent chance of drafting a roster player...of those last 10 picks, only SANGUINETTI is proven to be a bust...now check out the second rounders since 2004...there have been 12...Verdict is still out on NIEVES...but the rest? You have STEPAN, DUBINSKY ANISIMOV and if you really want to push it, CLICHE...Can't count SAUER cause his career is done...and the rest? Busts. All busts. That's 33 percent. The percentage gets even worse when you start tallying up how many third rounders have panned out...Sure, you have a guy like CHERNESKI or Cherepanov...but you stand the same chance of losing your second rounder to injury too(see Sauer)...Rangers are foolish if they take anything less than a very good prospect or a first rounder for TALBOT.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:21 pm EST

Jarret Stoll has been in trouble with drug charges (sniff sniff) in Vegas.. There are reports out that he may sign for as little as $1mill on a 1yr deal to prove he's a gamer... Hey, for a 3rd line depth center, it could be worse

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:15 pm EST

Can anyone remember anything about MCILLRATH's very, very first NHL shift? He did something that I respected, (albeit he made a mistake on the play, he got a-talking-to on the bench & I'm sure it limited his ice time a llitle). But I loved what ne did nonetheless, and I think it showed a lot about the kids personality & the edge he brings. -- Love the thought of him as the regular D6. That's like a great off-season transaction.

hipcheck


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:02 pm EST

Hospo- Love the Beastie Boy reference!

ColoradoMark


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:55 pm EST

E MCL is not the savior, he's not a Chara part 2, he's going to be a 5-7 guy his first year and thinking anything else would be unrealistic. The guy is tough, but this isn't the 70s and 80s he hits hard and he will fight but I don't know what else is being expected. I haven't read anything crazy in expectation, I have read people stating his skating isn't an issue, he throws hard hits, and he has a good first pass out of the zone, and TD and I both on different occasions spoke about how he has a really hard shot from the point and were surprised he wasn't given more of a chance to see where that may go.

York18


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:25 pm EST

I was suprised Hedman did not get a vote for the Norris even though he played 59 games, he did have 38pts. The Norris is basically the best offensive D-Man anyway.Hayes wound up a distant 7th in the Calder voting;Nash 16th in Selke voting.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:43 pm EST

Hartley beats out veenknow

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:42 pm EST

Glen Sather loses the GM award! Yzerman wins it!

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:34 pm EST

Drew... Yeah, nothing will get done/announced..... Ryan McDonagh finishes 11th in Norris, Stralman finishes 13th... Dan Girardi... no where to be found.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:28 pm EST

With the NHL awards going on, I guess all negotiations are going to be on hold,

DREW


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:25 pm EST

Analytics, stats making way into draft process Tuesday, 06.23.2015 / 3:00 AM Adam Kimel

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:21 pm EST

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2505678-nhl-authorizes-formal-process-for-league-expansion-latest-details-and-reaction?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nhl

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:19 pm EST

Coyotes GM: 2 teams aggressively pursuing 3rd overall pick

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 5:48 pm EST

Eichel could stay at school for a few years and become a FA at the end of it, so it's basically a threat/demand.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 5:48 pm EST

I've mentioned this awhile back but I'm surprised Montreal doesn't put out feelers for Dustin Tokarski. Took us to 6 games in the eastern conference finals

DREW


Wed Jun 24 2015 5:37 pm EST

STEVIE aka MCA - And, man,..... livin at home is such a drag...now that your Mom threw away your best prospect Mag..

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 5:20 pm EST

So stay in school and be a fool... Go to work and be a jerk....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 5:02 pm EST

Jack Eichel says if he signs deal w/ #Sabres (presumably) he wants full-year guarantee 'I'm not signing to leave school & play major junior'

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:59 pm EST

RF4L.... Who is telling you this now? Dreger reported it like 5 hours ago. The Kings went from being close to re-signing him to now wanting to trade him because they can't get him signed. May be a ploy. JMO, but Jones is another 'maybe' goalie flooding a market full of 'maybe' goalies.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:54 pm EST

Moof have a few Mai tai umbrellas ?

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:42 pm EST

I have no hate for McIlrath whatsoever. My objections have more to with a fan base obsessed for his "unique" skill set to the point of irrational expectations for impact on the ice. Some of his traits are vastly overrated by fans. That's by no mean to infer that toughness is not required Or anything like that. My other issue is related. It's in this need to a joint him as ready. Sure his skills maybe there and by all accounts he is a very hard working kid. All good signs. But the idea that someone is going to step in and stick??? Now that's another thing altogether. It's an 82 game season played against the best in the world. History says that he probably won't hold that position full time without a curve. I say bluechip because for example, Connor is gonna get drafted by the Oil and he will be in the lineup on opening night. And some players can do it. Obviously, a guy like Hayes could do it. Miller and Chris Krieder couldn't. The idea that he is just anointed when he hasn't even played meaningful hockey and we just can unplug KK and dump him for some picks and insert McIlrath is ludicrous to me. Being ready for the NHL by no stretch means ready to stick, hit the ice and play meaningful hockey. It's a process. I don't consider him a goon but many fans talk about having this take no crap who will be a fan favorite. And granted hockey is entertainment ultimately and he may become that guy. I just temper my enthusiasm for any guy till he does it. And I feel the same about Skjei or any other prospect. Just find the enthusiasm hyperbolic and setting a ridiculous expectation. Just give me a hockey player. And the rest will take care of itself if it is to be. I root for no one to fail. And I certainly don't hate a guy who hasn't given me any reason. I also think there is an unfair expectation laid upon him by the fans. Reminds me somewhat of the Los Angeles Kings when the fans were completely dejected that their superstar center Brian Boyle wasn't a superstar but he's just a guy who's offense never matured and they were labeling him a bust but became a servicable NHL elsewhere. False expectations.

E


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:36 pm EST

Hearing now LA might make available goalie Martin Jones. Is he regarded as gighly as Talbot? If so Sather may be asleep at the wheel. Again...

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:22 pm EST

According to Damien Cox, the Toronto Maple #Leafs are asking for a second-round pick for Tyler Bozak..... Elliotte Friedman..... One non-expansion note: NHL was hoping for a new transfer agreement with KHL. May not happen now. Both leagues will continue to respect each other's contracts, but will prevent NHL clubs from "purchasing" a KHL player's deal and bringing him to North America.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:19 pm EST

Nick sounds like lucic is perfect .... Hopefully he wouldn't nail Nash if he came ... Just capt parmenter for payback due to his injuring prowess ...a sather no brainer .. Lol

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 4:02 pm EST

Lucic? $6 million and a UFA soon? Christ. And for Yandle? Why not get a phony doctor's note for Ryane Clowe? I have to believe this is someone's overheated imagination. I sure hope so. Some 15-goal plowhorse on the downside, and a freaking dildo to boot. Yay team. Can't happen.

Nick


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:54 pm EST

If the cap is the concern this year and you move a D, since there are so many NMC/NTC like it or not, you move Klein. He makes more than Yandle. And as York said Yandle picks up some of Kleins ice time and McIlrath gets 3rd pair ice.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:53 pm EST

TD -- of course not. I'm comparing shitty goals in huge spots. The relative ability of the goalies doesn't matter. If King Fashion lets in two crushers in 2 Cup Final games, they are still crushers, as they would be if some stiff was in the net for some other team.

Nick


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:48 pm EST

I'm not sure how long "Boy on Ice: The Life and Death of Derek Boogaard" has been out but just saw the cover for the first time and surprised to see a pic of him wearing the Ranger color's and t-shirt after being with them for such a short time..Just a curiosity..

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:40 pm EST

York18 - I would definitely take his opinion into consideration! Good to hear

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:38 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun....... Jeff Skinner's name out there quite a bit. Four more years at $5.725 M cap hit ($6 M salary). Carolina definitely open to moving him...

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:37 pm EST

Hospo Beuk aaid his skating was fine and he's ready is he professional enough for you

York18


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:32 pm EST

MFred mcL won't replace Klein moving Klein allows Yandle to move off the third pair and get him more ice time which increases his value to the team......E forget what people are saying listen to what Beuk said he said hrs NHL ready you don't think he knows what he's talking about? So unless you're a blue chipper you can't be NHL ready after time one the AHL? How does everyone else do it without being a blue chipper? You seem to just have this hate on for MCL for some reason.

York18


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:31 pm EST

I do not get the "Klein is easily replaceable" remarks. Kind of reminds me about comments made before Stralman left (though I think he is a better player than Klein). The problem is the cap and the fact that we cannot move Boyle or squeeze Yandle in long-term. It probably means that we move a solid Klein forcing Boyle over Wrath on the right side D - which could prove problematic. I'd love to keep Klein even of we have to move Yandle (oe even better - Boyle!).

Ranger47


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:31 pm EST

RF; haven't read LB's article, how much of the content dovetails the wall ?

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:30 pm EST

Can't one of you guru's invent a cereal bowl umbrella ?? Maybe with your favorite sports team logo....... c'mon now...

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:29 pm EST

STEVIE/E - I'm with you guys one the return from trades..WILD - You have no clue knowing if Mci's skating is just fine, either do I...The only ones with a clue to it are the professionals who have watched him every game and they will be the ones deciding if he is ready for the challenge..And that's only step 1, then he has to prove he can skate with the big boys in the NHL on a consistent bases...Let's hope he can..

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:21 pm EST

Good article by LB summarizing the possible moves, signings and cap constraints. And he adds in musings about Nash. http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/sizing-up-a-very-active-cam-talbot-trade-market/

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:15 pm EST

Forget my dubious scouting ability for a moment. I don't know how anyone considers anyone "ready." Excluding of course sure fire blue-chip characters. Most are developmental. Now maybe Wrath steps up and in and locks down a slot. More then likely that won't be the story. I'm glad that some have such confidence in the guy. And maybe they are right, he steps in at camp and turns into what was hoped when he was drafted. Maybe... But historically speaking jumping to full time status is a big jump. And to think Klein or whatever out and McIlrath in? I was thinking more along the lines of Hunwick out and a platoon of players fighting for his spot and the cream rises up.

E


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:03 pm EST

Oh...and McIlraths skating is just fine...its been an overblown made up thing that he can't skate well. He had problems not loosing his edges and that has been solved....

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 3:02 pm EST

MelvilleFred: Best defensemen? Maybe...but only becsaue of how poorly the other Dmen were playing. Yeah he was getting points, but he will not do that again, he wont be shooting at like a 24% shooting percentage like he was early on int he season. He cooled way off late, and was a good defensive defensemen again. McIlrath is young and unproven yes, but with the top 4/5 D the Rangers have Klein will be getting less and less ice time anyway....Klein is far from irreplaceable.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:58 pm EST

So Klein who was our best defenseman until he got injured an be replaced by McI?! Based on what, the fact he can't skate as well? I know we all like to speculate but this McI love fest is certainly premature.

MelvilleFred


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:50 pm EST

We also don't know what they will get in the Talbot trade, they may get a kid that makes a Rangers prospect expendable, and they may move that kid along with lets say Klein, who will be replaced by McIlrath, for a top 6 forward with some more grit. Lots can happen, but until all the trades are done we will not know the full vision of the team...and even then we will have to know what trades they couldn't get the other GM to agree to to really understand the direction.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:46 pm EST

E there you go again pissing in the pick people's Cheerios . I agree they have to make moves that go for it that improves the team now . And get some intangibles not tangerines ...

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:41 pm EST

I also think that Klein just had his best season, and he wont have one like it again. I know he is good, I was excited to get him and like him as a player. He will either be gone this year or next IMHO, the kids will be ready eventually, and he wont survive all of them coming onto the roster....

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:39 pm EST

E: If they feel McIlrath is ready and want him playing Klein is the logical choice to move. They want picks not roster players, so thats why I said that. I was saying if you would add him to a Talbot trade, that I feel it would be better to trade them in separate deals to get more total out of them. If they don't want to move him, i.e. don't trust McIlrath will be ready than I wouldn't advocate the trade at all. I was doing a " if your moving him" one way vs another.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:36 pm EST

WILD: you wanna move two roster players for picks with no clearly defined replacements? I understand Talbot. To be sure his value and status makes him attractive to move. But Klein? The guy stood in big minutes when his teammates were limping just to take a crap. That in and of itself make him untouchable, but for as much as they need picks they also are a contending team. And you don't stay a contender by wholesaling your team for picks. So, I'm not against moving a Klein because I dont think he is untouchable. You need to get a roster player with upside when you trade an asset like that. I'd trade Glass for a late pick just because I can find 100 more Glass or Moore for that matter. No one is untouchable but I think it's tempting to go draft happy just because your cupboard isn't full. It's a massaged in balance. You need to start restocking your assets but you are also so close to closing the deal. You need to cover the team and the assets for sure. But right now the priority remains trying to get this roster over the top. And if a rebuild is coming or even a retooling for that matter let it come because they won a cup or at the minimum continued to have cracks at it. I don't want to hear too much on prospects because I don't care what they did in another league. No one gets penciled for a roster without experience. Maybe McIlrath makes the jump... Maybe he does the JT shuffle this season and the light finally comes on next season. I have no idea. Maybe Skjei improves and adapts very quickly to professional hockey. Can't count any chickens that haven't played 82+. And what of sophomore slumps? Maybe Hayes ends up way down the chart because of it? Lots of unknowns and that's why you have to make sure your bases are covered. And you don't get to cover them with picks and dreams of glory 5-years from now.

E


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:31 pm EST

Moof I'm all for keeping talbot , he's cheap insurance . He earned his stripes . I don't like him being gone. Could come back to haunt ...

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:26 pm EST

Stevie: Ph_ck em: Trade Hagelin, & glass, slide FAST into Hags spot, we have enough money to sign all our RFA's & to keep the defense intact, promote McIlrath to the 7th, sign Hunwick as the 8th, slide Hayes to the wing, and play Lindberg at 3rd center... We'd have the deepest best defense in the damn league, and we go for the CUP, we lose Talbot for nothing at the end of the season.... Not so terrible...... Ph_ck em All ;-) cheers

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:20 pm EST

TDCHI - You could be right or, if he was really ready and could help with all those injuries, he would have been up...But, I agree, who knows?...what happens with him over the next three months will be the pudding that the proof is in..

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:14 pm EST

Wild: The problem with that is then those watching will leave their TVs to go to websites and chatboards to read about and discuss the trade. Buttphuck doesn't want that - those awards are a massive snoozefest and already have trouble attracting and maintaining viewers. I know I won't be watching - never have, other than a few minutes here and there.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:12 pm EST

Funny, I was just thinking after all this hype and wait, the trade will turn out to be something like the 33rd and Marcinan (or whatever his name is). LOL.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:11 pm EST

Gms probably in collusion on talbot . He is a ufa after next season unless sather lets them talk and raise his price if he signs now or before the deadline . Who knows how much convulution is going on . About compensation or a bigger deal. Pure speculation and rumor . They throw it against the wall and hope. Sather plays too hard he might miss the best offer and have to settle....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:10 pm EST

Shaggy: They should get traded approved, and at a certain point at the end of the awards, but not the very end, start to announce them from the stage.....that will get people to tune in. It would be like the draft " I have a trade to announce"

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 2:07 pm EST

For a league so few people care about...having a big deal announced today would only heighten awareness of the NHL & the Awards ceremony tonight...no? Stupid Buttman..

Shaggy


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:48 pm EST

SO from what the rumors are looking like. Talbot will get the Rangers a 2nd rounder and a prospect, or a coup;e picks, 2nd and 3rd, or 2 seconds, depending on where they are. Some say "add Klein" to increase the return, but I think IMHO it would be better, if you are going to move Klein, to do it in a separate trade. I would rather have two good 2nd rounders and a prospect than 1 mid/late first rounder. Klein on his own could land a high 2nd rounder, and maybe more, like a 2nd and a 4th or a 2nd and a mid level prospect. SO move Talbot for a high 2nd and prospect, and move Klein for a mid or high second and a 3rd or prospect. Thats how you restock the system, by spreading it out, not by going for the knockout...I mean so what you get the 16th overall, and you take a sure thing pick...and he blows out his knee 15 games into his AHL career....wait, didn't that happen, maybe not the sure thing, but a kid blew his knee out, never recovered...thats right Stefan Cherneski, 19th overall in 1997 played 11, 1 and 28 games at the AHL level. Just remember he destroyed his knee when he got hit. Thats why its better IMHO to get multiple good picks instead of one very good one.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:45 pm EST

Hospo - my opinion is that McILRATH was left in Hartford to get big-game experience and that the team felt he and the Rangers were better served with him doing that with the Pack. I know teams will throw young players in the mix in tough playoff matches, but I think in this case, they went with the known commodity while KLEIN was out and that was HUNWICK. But who knows?

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:44 pm EST

Rat: while I'm sure it's fine to discuss things on the phone there is a lot going on with the draft coming up. Leaving the amateur, pro scouts, Groton, AV, the Hartford team all in one room together. There is still nothing like being in faces. If it was true then I wouldn't have so many miles. I think it's gonna be a very active draft and I think the New York Rangers might be very active. We know the New York Rangers want to find a top-6 player and increase the team's ability to score in the post season and AV has all but admitted that his squad needs more grind. If that was to happen the 7-days are the big chance. History shows us that making big splashes once the season starts doesn't look nearly as good. A lot of ether going on this week.

E


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:42 pm EST

The Rangers are not expecting to seek a roster player for Cam Talbot and are instead looking to “restock” the team with draft picks and “perhaps” a prospect. (NY Post) Neither the Oilers (16) or the Sabres (21) have offered the Rangers their second first round picks for Talbot. (NY Post) The Sabres, Oilers, Stars and Sharks are believed to have either submitted offers for Talbot or are going to. (NY Post) The Rangers have not yet packaged Talbot and Kevin Klein and/or Keith Yandle to potentially increase the return on Talbot. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:40 pm EST

Chris Nichols.... Per @NYP_Brooksie: #Oilers, #Sabres, #Stars, #SJSharks believed to have submitted offers for Cam Talbot, or are on verge of doing so ....RF4L... I'm always serious about Sather and his ego.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:38 pm EST

RF4L:Don't forget. The more people watch the awards the better the ratings and the better the ratings the more advertising costs and the more money the owners end up making. So the GMs will be told by the owners to not mess it up since its in their own best interests to keep the awards the top subject of the NHL for the day.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:37 pm EST

Bob - Touche...Leighton=Boucher. Both sucked. Neither had any business starting in that series. Both belonged in the AHL.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:25 pm EST

Wild: Re award focus. You raise an excellent point. Buttphuck is very conscious of conflicting publicity and most assuredly has requested teams not to announce any deals during the awards and probably prior to them (which could be as far ahead as all day today). Does he have the power to hold the processing of any trade up in the NHL offices, which would serve to delay official approval of any trade and that in turn, means the teams involved cannot announce it? Maybe not - but he's got enough balls to ensure all the governors and their GMs won't be looked upon very favourably if they send any trade requests today and tonight.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:21 pm EST

Rhet: Re Sather and the spotlight. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not but unfortunately, there is some truth to that. Let's hope that ego doesn't ruin what could be a fabulous opportunity here. It would truly suck if Buffalo suddenly decides they've had enough of Sather's diddling and trades for Lack. If so, there goes some good leverage Sather currently has.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:21 pm EST

RF4L: I brought that up earlier. I think more likely is two things together, he is hoping to squeeze out a little more from a team. 2- The NHL wants the focus today in the awards. Heck the full schedules don't even come out until tomorrow, with that they may have asked GMs to not call in trades today, or at least until after the awards ceremony is over.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:19 pm EST

Rhet: Re Buttphuck - you got that right. First and foremost is how much money can he make and when he demands increased pay there is zero doubt in my mind he points to revenue generation, not quality of the entertainment. That little phuck probably never watched hockey as a child (let alone play it). He's got zero ties to the league's history and more importantly, the sport itself which truly is one of the most wonderful in the world (to play and watch, the latter of course when it's played as it should be). The sight of him makes me wanna puke.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:15 pm EST

RF4L.... You know Sather, he wants to make a big deal at the draft for the biggest attention/spotlight on him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:14 pm EST

RF4L... Bettman never looks at what's best for the game in the long term, just how much more money he can line the owners pockets with now. This is why our sport is the 5th or 6th most popular in all of major sports.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:10 pm EST

Dreger saying no deal for Talbot until Sather gets to Florida to discuss the matter with his management team. WTF? I realize Sather is ancient but surely he has a cell phone? How is he discussing trade parameters with Chiarelli? In person? LOL

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:09 pm EST

I'd take LUCIC in a heartbeat. Only one problem: The Bruins would never trade him here. I don't know what Joe Haggerty is smoking, but that's the sort of trade that would have heads rolling within a year on one team or the other. If Looch is going, he's going somewhere far away.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:07 pm EST

Rhet: There's someone named Patrick Sheepwash who posted a comment. Sounds like the sort of Canadian guy Nick is always posting about - no doubt a standup dude who'd never put his selfish interests ahead of his team's!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 1:03 pm EST

Some NYR fans are already speculating about leaving Girardi unprotected..... "fPer Sportsnet: NHL to announce opening of expansion process".... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-to-announce-opening-of-expansion-process/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:40 pm EST

WIOSA......no doubt, that's what is going on ..........................but I think the fans will be very pleased with our " Prince "

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:35 pm EST

Just say NO to Lucic. He has started down the slope already.

Bob


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:34 pm EST

NICK--The Kane cup winner was a weak bleeder through the legs of Leighton, in case you had forgotten. LOL.

Bob


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:34 pm EST

NICK--The Kane cup winner was a weak bleeder through the legs of Leighton, in case you had forgotten. LOL.

Bob


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:33 pm EST

mf: T'isn't a rumour my friend - it's a fact!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:32 pm EST

Wild: Come on dude, you're the resident Sather can manage the capologist in here - find a way to fit Lucic in! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:32 pm EST

Rumor has it theres oil in those tarsands!

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:30 pm EST

Lucic carries a $6,000,000 cap hit and is a year away from UFA and apparently will be seeking a raise of significance on his next deal. Ahh, no thanks unless the Bruins kick in something else, like a 2nd round pick.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:28 pm EST

Wild/Wiosa: Certainly something would have to be done money-wise. Not sure if it's really realistic considering where we sit against the cap now. That being said, Lucic is an asshole, however I'd prefer him being our asshole. Maybe put him on a line with Nash? Just throwing it out there...

RDW


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:26 pm EST

also on Lucic, the article mentions the nice cap hit of Yandle, but fails to mention the 6 mil hit of Lucic, so unless BOS wants to eat half his cap hit there is no way it would even get close to working.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:23 pm EST

RDW, yes, I posted it a couple of weeks ago, problem is, he's really a hated SOB. Cant stand the guy.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:22 pm EST

Newfie, hear, hear. I have been reading non stop how Edmonton has no use for more rookies, they have had plenty of 1st round draft choices. They need to start building a core, and want to build from the goalie out. I don't know why they are balking at their first rounder, unless of course, this is the new management trying to play his hand the best way possible.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:20 pm EST

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/boston-bruins-milan-lucic-coming-up-in-trade-rumors?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo Not sure if anyone saw this but they're talking Lucic for Yandle

RDW


Wed Jun 24 2015 12:17 pm EST

Rhetoric.........on Talbot to Edm...........I don't think Edm should worry about giving up #16, when they have had FOUR #1,s ( not just 4 First rounders).This franchise NEEDS a goalie of Cam's ability and giving up a #16 is a joke. Talbot is just what the Dr ordered in EDM................JMHO

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:59 am EST

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but DRAISAITL ain't getting moved. I'd be floored if the "splash" Chiarelli makes is to move a 19-year-old power forward with sick hands coming off a monster playoffs and who already has a taste of NHL action. That's a kid you put on a line with McDAVID and then watch it fly. No doubt, YAKUPOV's days are numbered. But Draisaitl? I'd be shocked.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:52 am EST

Hospo: We don't know that. You don't know that. Keep in mind they were very honest and said they wanted and expected him to spend the entire season in Hartford and they hoped for a deep playoff run with him having a full healthy season. McIlrath said he expected to be down all season,so their feelings about him may not reflect what they did with him in order to help his development.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:50 am EST

On McIlrath being brought into the lineup. He brings a different type of tough. There is NO DOUBT that Giradi, McD, Staal, even Boyle and Yandle and Klein are tough. The injuries they were playing through....and the punishment they take, its amazing they keep at it like they do/did. HOWEVER McIlrath has more of an aggressive toughness, something that isn't part of the other guys games...Klein a little but not a lot, and Boyle a little, but not much he can do with it due to his size and his skill set. McIlrath would bring aggressiveness to the back end, and some of that might rub off on Giradi and McD, and even Staal. It could make them play a little bigger , not because they feel safer that the kid will pummel anyone, but its that styles of play can be infectious.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:47 am EST

TDCHI "He's an easy slash of $1.5 million if they feel like I do, which is that McILRATH is ready for the bigtime"..They obviously didn't think he was ready late last year and during the POs, why should their opinion change? But, YOU ARE RIGHT, if they have no problem dealing KLEIN, it indeed might signal that SCHOENFELD and other Ranger evaluators (the only opinions that count) feel Mcilrath is ready for 3rd pair NHL duty...If so, bring him on....OTOH, if they feel otherwise, I expect him to be dealt this off season..

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:43 am EST

I like Klien but if moving him gets Big Mac up ... Bye... The nyr need more of an edge to smash guys like ovieone and slumpkos....something done to the nyr and hardly done by them... Let them try with Big Mac what's been done to capt lil mac ....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:35 am EST

Nick - please tell me that's not a sarcastic way of comparing BOUCHER with Lundqvist...please, please, please don't tell me that...

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:35 am EST

If both edm and buff regarded the goalies the same they wouldn't be waiting and hoping to get him they would get the deal done for either or and shore up their goalie position.

York18


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:32 am EST

Vic - didn't mean to suggest I think trading KLEIN is the RIGHT thing to do...but rather that its the EASY thing to do. The Rangers could fart his name out into the trade winds and probably have 29 suitors tomorrow, depending on what they're asking. He's an easy slash of $1.5 million if they feel like I do, which is that McILRATH is ready for the bigtime. As much as I'd like to trade BOYLE, let's be honest: Neither he nor anyone else on the team with a NTC or NMC clause is going to be moved. Just not the move any GM wants to send to a tight knit and successful team like the Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:16 am EST

add to that, the Oilers probably want a Dman with some experience, not a guy who is more unknown to them. The Rangers have the best handle on mcIlrath other teams will have limited knowledge of him.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:15 am EST

Klein due to the cap issues. He makes 2.9, McIlrath will be in at 1 mil or a little over on a 1 or 2 year deal.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:14 am EST

Hospo.... Yup, Now it's all about who blinks first.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:14 am EST

Hospo: All the rumors I see have every GM with Talbot on top of their list...but that if they don't get him they don't feel its the end of the world. I get that. If they really didn't care they would have made a move already....but everyone knows this year, Talbot is the guy that is going to set the tone for Goalies.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:14 am EST

What d man are sather and veenknow most likely to let go? My guess is Calvin Klien ...or Big Mac ...to package with the prince ...

stevielegs


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:13 am EST

New York Rangers regular season home opener at MSG is on 10/10 against the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:12 am EST

RHET - Thanks for passing the stuff along..but it makes me laugh...So now Chiarelli and Buffalo's GM don't really care what goalie they get between TALBOT, LACK and Lerner and that they (or at least two of them) are all rated as equals? Fat chances...you can bet they have their choice identified...But.you gotta love the leaking and passing along of rumors by "experts" to try and help their cause

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:11 am EST

Someone on twitter brought up a good point...that we may not hear a Talbot trade until tomorrow. Its likely the NHL asked all GMs to wait until after the awards tonight to call in trades in order to make sure a trade doesn't become the talk of awards night.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:08 am EST

Rangers open Oct. 7th vs Chicago, when they raise their banner.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 11:05 am EST

Aaron Ward on TSNRadio says Buffalo values Lack as much as Talbot (1 and 1a) but the Talbot trade has to happen first, before the Lack one will happen.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:58 am EST

Per Sportsnet.....On Talbot: Edmonton is first in line, but let’s face it: Peter Chiarelli isn’t giving up the No. 16 overall pick for Talbot, unless he can forge a deal that brings a defenceman to Edmonton as well. Forget the Flames and Talbot — this is a game of chicken between Edmonton and Buffalo

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:47 am EST

Re Kane's 2010 winner: "A real stinker of a shot that most beer league goalies would have stopped." Hey, maybe he was "screened." Or maybe he "didn't pick it up in time." I've heard that happens.

Nick


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:19 am EST

add to everything else. If the Rangers brass still feel Miller isn't going to get to the level they want him to achieve, he could be shopped, or Fast if they feel he is redundant, or Hags if he costs too much, and even though some people scoff at it big time, they may feel they can get the same quality of less at 4th line C and move Moore to save some cap space. Lots of options really, and we do not know the feeling internally about each player....not the stuff they put out to the media, but real ideas about each player.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:17 am EST

Friedman is the one who said the Rangers want the trade done today.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:16 am EST

We also need to remember, they can use the bonus cushion from Hayes (2.85 mil) and risk losing up to that much the season after next (not the best move admittedly) in order to get things done this season. I would guess they don't want to do that. But to carry Bourque and his 575K in bonus cushion wouldn't be so horrible. Another thing, can he be sent down and recalled at will or does he need waivers? If he can be, they could send him down when at home and recall him for trips, thus making his actual cap hit closer to 200-250K on the season. Its a lot of work, but can be done.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:16 am EST

Sean Hartnett..... I expect Cam Talbot to be the first domino to fall in the goalie trade market. His trade will dictate returns for Lack, Lehner.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:14 am EST

Also some conflicting reports today. Dredger says Sather will not decide until he gets to Florida and talks with his people (not sure why he can conference call with them via Skype or something) another guy (can't remember who) says the Rangers want the Talbot trade done today at the latest. Will be interesting to see what happens...and who has a better line on whats going on.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:05 am EST

Anyone know how the tax situation is in Alberta?

Ola


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:03 am EST

HOSPO: Agree on Hags. He sint irreplaceable. You want him because he is a big part of the PK, his speed is something that puts other teams back not heir heals, and he can ship in offensively. He is a solid all around guy. But as you said, not at the expense of a guy who may be able to bring more, like Miller, thats a bad tradeoff. Not that I want Hags gone, but if he demands too much, well, I would rather keep Miller and Stepan, than one of them and Hags.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 10:01 am EST

Vic: I think if the players want to stay they will get them signed. I also feel Klein will be moved freeing up the money to re sign Miller and moving McIlrath up and that will wash. So they will need to sign Step, Hags, and Fast along with Lindberg if they move Hayes to wing in the top 6. Bourque at 575K would be the 13th F.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:59 am EST

oh yeah...I am SURE that Giradi will want to finish out his career in Edmonton instead of NY with the Rangers. He isn't a kid anymore, he wants to win a cup before he retires in a few years, I highly doubt he will want to uproot his family, and leave everything he has known for all these years to go play for a team that if he is lucky will have a shot at the cup when he is no longer the player he is now, and hope they can win it in one of his last 2 years. or whatever. Sure...I think its safe to say that there are only a couple players with NMC/NTC in their deals that would even consider waiving. Nash and Boyle. I doubt they want to move Nash, and Boyle they probably want to keep as well...but he would be the most likely guy with a NTC that would be asked to waive. And after he lead all NHL defenders in PP points in the playoffs I think they will want him around again. Right or wrong. So if you think a D will be moved, it most likely will be Klein, highest value vs ease of movement. He and Talbot are the most likely to be move IMHO. And perhaps a F as well, just don't know who...that will depend on negotiations. If as someone said, Hags demands 4mil or more, he will be gone...and I don't expect him to do that after he watched his best friend take less to stay...that would be Zucc who everyone was talking about at 5.5+ "minimum" to keep him, Hags knows he isn't worth as much as Zucc, so I would imagine he will be "happy" with 3.5 or so. Not as if that is cheap, but still, he may sign for a little less than that even if he really wants to stay. And thats what were really don't know, how bad do these guys want to stay together as a team?

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:57 am EST

WILD: Ahh! Of course they will have a full roster. But, you finally admitted that there isn't enough money to resign the guys they have, have a spare forward/Dman and have some maneuvering room left over. Something has to give.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:54 am EST

RHET - getting interesting with the goalie rumors...Wonder who's getting paid by which team to start them or pass them along!

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:53 am EST

RDW - I'm with you on HAGELIN..A nice little player/solid 3rd liner/PKer to have , but another Ranger forward who skunked in this years POs...and not an untouchable or must resign at the expense of others (IMWO)

Hospo


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:52 am EST

RF4L: I strongly doubt that SATHER can get both DRAI and the 16th overall pick for GIRARDI and TALBOT. If he can he needs to jump all over that like a fat woman on an apple pie. That pick represents value for Edmonton either in the draft or in a trade. They can get a good return for it.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:52 am EST

NYR need to be careful..... Per Aaron Ward..."Much like NYR and Talbot, VAN has multiple offers on Lack. Hearing BUFF among most interested. #TSN" .....RF4L.... In regard to Klein, I think I remember Buffalo and/or San Jose.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:46 am EST

THIS JUST IN FROM RF4L-LAND: Taxes aren't as bad in Alberta - no provincial tax due to all that oil in those tarsands!

RDW


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:46 am EST

Vic: They WILL have a full roster. Maybe not the players you spoke about, but they will...I am 100% positive of that. That means going into next season they will have more than enough to resign everyone and keep that same roster if they so choose....They wont go into the season with 11F and 6 D and 1 G. They will carry at least 12/6/2, most likely Bourque will be the 13th F at 575K. and a 600K or there about guy for a 7th D. Somone will be moved other than Talbot, I think Klein for one. And you know what, if Miller think he deserves as much as Kreider...well I would image he will be moved....he doesn't deserve 2-2.5 mil, he has not earned that, not yet. He will probably end up just about where he was, 1.25-1.35 mil for a 2 year deal. Again, Sather loves those bridge deals. Fast will end up at 1-1.15 mil for 2 years most likely....and Lindberg will end up at about 1 mil. These guys are RFAs with no arbitration rights, and will be qualified at BELOW those numbers since qualifying offers are based off of salary, and do not take bonuses into account. So all 3 of those guys have qualifying numbers at about 1 mil or just below that. So a 2 year deal at over their 1 year qualifying amount I bet they would jump at. OR they will take the one year qualifier and prove they should get more next season, and that would be better short term for the Rangers because they would count less against the cap.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:46 am EST

Rhet: Yeah and perhaps if we post enough that Talbot has been traded to Edmonton for the first overall pick enough, it'll be true! lol

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:45 am EST

If Hags wants 4 mill per year they should tell him to go screw.

RDW


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:39 am EST

This just in.... Taxes aren't as bad in Alberta - no provincial tax due to all that oil in those tarsands!

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:39 am EST

Oops...sorry about the quadruple post!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:38 am EST

Vic: Taxes aren't as bad in Alberta - no provincial tax due to all that oil in those tarsands!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:38 am EST

Vic: Taxes aren't as bad in Alberta - no provincial tax due to all that oil in those tarsands!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:38 am EST

Vic: Taxes aren't as bad in Alberta - no provincial tax due to all that oil in those tarsands!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:38 am EST

Vic: Taxes aren't as bad in Alberta - no provincial tax due to all that oil in those tarsands!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:37 am EST

Vic: How's this sound: Talbot and Girardi for Drai and the 16th pick overall? The Rangers shave enough off the cap to resign Stepan, acquire a top 6 forward talent (who could end up developing into the prototypical number 1 center) plus what surely will be a nice young asset. And hell, who's to say Sather couldn't and/or wouldn't trade the 16th for a lower first and a second?

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:37 am EST

RF4L: I have seen a couple things that Sather is taking calls in regard to Klein. He has been linked with Talbot, but that doesn't mean there are no other conversations going on about him. Also, as for Glass....he is seen with higher regard around the NHL than he is seen here on this wall or by fans in general.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:34 am EST

RF4L: I agree and that is the kind of sell job that the Oilers and Rangers would need to do with GIRARDI. But the other factor is the money he loses by going to a Canadian team (TAXES). The Oilers would need to figure out a way to make that up to him.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:32 am EST

Vic: I could see Girardi waving his NMC after a long conversation with the Oilers' new coach (Todd McLellan I think) who strokes G's ego saying (rightfully so) he'd be the cornerstone of the rebuilt Oiler backline, he'd be one of the team's leaders, he'd be a key component in the creation of a new Oiler dynasty and he'd get to help develop budding talents like Darnell Nurse (who's gonna be a good one - mark my words) and Connor McDavid. I could think of worse places to be in the NHL, that's for sure.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:29 am EST

WILDCARD: Again, they can't do it this year. Go back and read my posts please and tell me how the Rangers can do it this year from a Cap perspective. Also, I think the Oilers are gong to move DRAI this year. CHIARELLI will make a splash this off season and DRAI is expendable. RF4L: Yeah, you and I see the GIRARDI/STAAL move the same way but there are so many moving parts there that it is difficult to see it happening.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:26 am EST

Wild: Sure, but Maloney's gonna say something like Vic posted: Give me Glass and your 6th and you can have my 7th'. If not, he can simply sign a bunch of UFAs to get to the floor.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:26 am EST

My other alternative is to move one of GIRARDI or STALL with TALBOT to get DRAI. Now, both have NTC contracts so there would have to be significant selling to get them to agree. I don't know how the Oilers and Rangers could sell it to GIRARDI but there is an avenue with STAAL. If the Oilers can acquire JORDAN it might be enough to get MARC to want to go play with his brother. He would be the Oilers #1 D and would be the guy to groom NURSE. This scenario is obviously much harder to see happening because there are NTC contracts involved and another deal that would have to happen to entice MARC.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:25 am EST

Vic if they can do it this year. They can do it next. They need not worry about next year. Just this year.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:25 am EST

Rhet: Fair enough, but in multiple destinations? Or just Edmonton? If it's the latter than I'd argue it's because scribes are theorizing about what the Talbot move could entail. The only consistency I've noted in all of this is the Prince, which makes sense - it would be foolish indeed for Sather not to trade the goalie now because I can't see his value increasing once the season starts and he's gonna bolt next summer because of the King's presence.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:24 am EST

Who will take Glass? Well Arizona for one. They need to spend like 18 mil to get to the cap floor.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:23 am EST

Vic: Makes sense from a cap management perspective, but I suspect Sather, who is still desperate to retire with the boast that he architected a cup in NY, won't like the notion of stepping back at the center ice position by going with 2 centers with little experience. I think a more reasonable expectation is he convinces Staal or Girardi (likely the latter because the former's contract is so recent) to accept a move to Edmonton.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:22 am EST

RF4L... I have seen Klein's name mentioned in several rumors. IMO, He is being traded to clear out money to re-sign Hagelin(another AV favorite).

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:19 am EST

The only way I see the Rangers being able to meet the Cap this year and set them up to do so next year is to move a $5 to $6 Million dollar Cap hit along with TALBOT. There are a few ways you can go with this. The easiest way is to package STEPAN with TALBOT in a trade to Edmonton. If the Rangers can do that can they get back DRAISAITL (henceforth to be referred to as DRAI because I am too lazy and spelling challenged to worry about the rest)? With RNH and STEPAN locked up for years, and McDAVID on the way the Oilers don't need DRAI. That would give the Rangers the Cap space to sign the rest of the RFA's and make it possible to resign YANDLE but they would have to get that negotiated before the deadline. It hurts the Rangers a little now as they lose STEPAN but BRASSARD would slot in as the #1 Center this year with either HAYES or DRAI taking the #2 spot. HAYES can move to wing if DRAI blows the Rangers away in camp and LINDBERG is brought up as the #3 Center. Long term it gives the Rangers DRAI and HAYES down the middle over the next 5 years as BRASSARD moves out of that spot. or DRAI and BRASSARD if HAYES goes to RW for good. IMHO this trade scenario HAS to be explored by SATHER. I have another one that I will post separately.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:14 am EST

To be honest, the only name I've seen as being shopped by the Rangers is Talbot. All other names are more musings by those analyzing what the trade involving Talbot might consist of. I get the reasoning behind the inclusion of KK's name, which is primarily because the Rangers strength is the backline and he's the only defenseman without a NTC/NMC. Yandle is another of course, but like KK, IMO it's all speculative. I sure hope the Talbot trade goes down soon - let's see if all those talk is worth it! lol

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:11 am EST

WIOSA: And if the league caught wind of it, the Rangers would be fined to no end.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:09 am EST

...we're a huge corporation, with a LOT of other interests. I wonder if there is any way we could pay a player for 'outside work' - representing us in a charity, or a sales pitch for cable tv. You know, like Ill pay you 3million for playing hockey, and as long as you are employed as one of the Rangers, another 3 million to be our Corporate spokesperson. Would that be a way of getting around the Cap? Of course when the player becomes an UFA technically his salary is 3m which might affect his asking price. What about bonuses? Do they count towards the cap? Just curious. There is a Duck LW that looks pretty good that is refusing to resign with them. Belesky I think his name is.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:04 am EST

RF4L: On GLASS, exactly. The Rangers have shown no desire to move him and who would take him anyway? And for what? What do you have to throw into the deal to get someone to take GLASS's salary. Do you have to trade GLASS and a 6th rounder to get back a 7th rounder? WILDCARD: Go back and reread my post. There is $11.9 Million in Cap space this year. With that money you need to resign STEPAN, HAGS, FAST, MILLER and find a replacement for MSL's numbers to round out your 12 forwards. That still leaves you with what you are going to do in terms of a 7th D and a 13th forward, plus how much money do you leave in Cap space for the season and deadline. And as for MILLER and FAST I think you are greatly underestimating what they are going to sign for.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:02 am EST

I am sure a bunch of names are out there...but Glass isn't a sexy enough name to report on...not with Talbot and Klein on the market apparently

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:01 am EST

RF: budget is going to decide many of the moves... Glass served us well, however, a guy like Sheppard may too, adds some scoring potential to that roster spot, and save you a couple of hundred thousand

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 9:00 am EST

Messed up and lost a post...so I'll try again. Also add that Klein looks like he is being shopped. If the Rangers think McIlrath can replace him he will cost close to 1.5 less. You can use that 1.5 for a 7th D and 13th F. They used Bourque as the spare F during the playoffs, so likely they see him as that kind of guy. Also he makes 575K so he is very cap friendly. That means a mil or so for a 7th D, since they run cheaper than that you have a couple hundred K leftover. Maybe you move Glass since McIlrath could handle the rough stuff and put a guy at 1 mil in his spot saving another 400K. So about a mil, little less of cap space. There. Done. Good to go.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:59 am EST

Elliotte Friedman was on Sportsnet 960 last night and said that the sense around the league was that the Rangers wanted to make the Cam Talbot trade yesterday (Tuesday) or today (Wednesday). Friedman said that he isn’t sure that will happen but that is what the Rangers wanted. Darren Dreger has said that based on info he gathered last Thursday, he thought Talbot would have been traded by now.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:54 am EST

I see so many calls for Glass to be traded, yet there's zero evidence that's even on Sather's radar. Glass is an AV favourite and is likely going nowhere.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:52 am EST

And FAST may have a higher ceiling on the offensive side of the game than Hag's...Hey, no stones left unturned...

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:47 am EST

.. Here's my take: obviosly we need to free up dollars.. We have $11.9 mm in cap... Gone are Glass & talbot, +$2.9 mill..so much for the no brainers...Next: WE TRADE HAGELIN ALONGSIDE TALBOT! ... We slide FAST into Hagelins spot, we have speed, sound 2 way game, a RHS potentially on that LW, and a savings of $2-$3million... Imagine the return folks.. Draisaitl as an example.... Once this money stuff is worked out, anyone here up for a 4th line of Sheppard / Moore / Downey (RHS) ???

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:46 am EST

Anyway. If they decide to use Hayes as a F instead of a C than that's MSLs replacement already signed. Lindberg could step in at C for around 1 mil. Miller will get about a mil along with Fast. 3-3.5 mil.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:44 am EST

RF4L: if that's true. There isn't a contender who has good cap management. Not a single one I can think of.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:43 am EST

Also. Miller will be lucky to get 1.5 and Fast 1.25....lucky. They have zero leverage and little to no history at the NHL to demand Kreider money. Kreider had a great post season and then was a much more regular part of the team. Miller was a yoyo and Fast has barely played in the NHL. Miller has not earned 2.5 mil...not even close.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:30 am EST

If that goes down the King better be ready to plan 70+ games this season!

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:28 am EST

$12,000,000 to resign Stepan (cap friendly, which remains to be seen, of $5,500,000) Hagelin (cap friendly, which remains to be seen, of $3,500,000) which leaves $3,000,000. Savings of $500,000 should be realized via moving out Talbot and replacing him with a stiff, meaning Sather has $3,500,000 for MSL's replacement, resigning Fast and Miller and 2 extra skaters (5 players, including, potentially, a top 6 forward). That's ridiculously tight and poor cap management IMO, especially if you consider yourself a contender because you need room to add pieces during the season to strengthen your team. Now what happens if Stepan's camp won't budge from a minimum of $6,000,000 a season? Or Hags wants $4,000,000? Or both? $2,500,000 for 5 players and 0 cap space? LOL....

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:22 am EST

Vic: than you move Klein because he makes more than Yandle. And that still doesn't matter in regards to resigning Yandle after this season.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:19 am EST

WILDCARD: That is the rub. The Rangers DO NOT have the money to resign everyone this year. I just don't see how you get that done. They have $11.9 Million to resign STEPAN, MILLER, FAST and HAGS. If they don't resign SHEP they will need a 12th forward (assuming that MSL isn't resigned) so you can probably pencil in $1 Million there at a minimum. That doesn't count an extra forward if the Rangers go with one (figure $750K) On D they will need to resign HUNWICK or promote either BIG MAC and SKI POLE. Either way that is probably another $1 Million. Unless the Rangers are going to completely spend that cap space going with no extra forwards and no cap space in season. So realistically even going with no extra foward and no 7th D they need to leave about $2 Million in cap space just in case. So figure they have about 9 Million to resign STEPAN, HAGS, FAST and MILLER. Throwing numbers off the top of my head I would guess that STEPAN goes for $5.5 to $6 MIllion, HAGS for $3.5 to $4 Million, FAST for $2 Million and MILLER for $2 to $2.5 Million. So even going low numbers I come up with about $13 Million needed. Again that is without counting finding a 12th forward (at $1 Million), no extra skaters and leaving a little less then $2 Million in Cap space for the season for call ups and moves. How do you see them covering that $4 Million gap?

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 8:13 am EST

Vic: on my last post. Let's for arguments sake say. That this offseason the Rangers get their 13 F and 7D withe 2 G all signed to deals that bring them to EXACTLY the cap of 71.4 mil and all the signings are for at least two years. That means you have Hayes, Kreider, Moore, Boyle and Yandle who will need new deals next off season. If the cap goes up 3 mil (not crazy at all) they would have 16.35 mil not including Moores money. So 4.5 for Hayes, 4.25 for Kreider, and 6.5 for Yandle. Add in Moores money and you now have 2.6 mil to add a 4th C and a Dman. Two young kids for those roles and your golden and under the cap. The cap goes up more than 3 mil and you have even more room. If they want to they can keep him. Now longer into the future who knows.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:54 am EST

VIC: ""IF"" LA would guarantee him another year after this one, he just might go for the dough... LA has a good core of talent, a few good moves and they can be competitors this year... jmo

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:53 am EST

Re Boyle:. Lots of us want him gone and there's a reason for that - he's old, declining and makes too much. Therefore, what makes him tradeable? I suspect the only way a rival GM would entertain taking on Boyle is if it's treated as a pure salary dump, meaning the Rangers would have to sweeten the pot. His signing was another desperate move by Sather to try to win a cup (ala MSL, although at least Boyle didn't cost any assets).

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:50 am EST

Vic: Oh I get the concerns about Yandle re his playing time, pending UFA, etc. I am just not so sure Sather would consider trading him so soon after giving up so much to get him. I suppose is a team purposely contacted Sather about him and offered up a fine return he'd consider it - I find it hard to believe, however, Sather is actively shopping him. Also, I share your concerns about the cap this year and next - if Kreider takes a big step next season like I think he's capable of and the Rangers probably need him to do (especially if they don't land a legitimate top 6 forward this summer), he'll be seeking a long term $6,000,000 per contract next summer.

RF4L


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:43 am EST

Vic: all but a couple of those guys will be under this years cap. With Boyle and Yandle making more combined than if you signed Yandle to 6.5 mil. And the cap will go up. If you can get them all under this upcoming seasons cap all those guys will fit the year after.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:42 am EST

MF: You can forget about trading BOYLE. He has a NTC. He came here because he wanted to be here. He is going to play out this last year in NY and then who knows. He may retire or try to sign on with someone for another year. I highly doubt that BOYLE would agree to a trade.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:38 am EST

WILDCARD: I tried to make this as easy as possible to see. In the list of 9 players that I gave the only assumed signings were STEPAN and YANDLE. Those were the only two that I included specifically because folks like you insist that they can and will be signed. You insist that there is plenty of money to go around. I disagree but really don't want to beat this dead horse again. Instead I just pointed out where the Rangers will be at the start of the 2017 season. Assuming no other resignings the Rangers will have 10 players under contract (including KLEIN) at about $57 Million against the Cap. Now, you have 10 roster spots left to spend between probably $18 Million to $23 Million. In that group of roster spots the Rangers will need 1 goaltender, 1 D, and 8 forwards. That, of course, doesn't count a 7th D and 13th forward. So, assuming that the Rangers resign everyone that means that sharing that pool of $18 Million to $23 Million would be HAGS, FAST, MILLER, KREIDER and HAYES. That is 5 of the 8. Assume that LINDBERG is in that mix. That leaves you with 2 more spots to fill. On D we can assume it is either BIG MAC or SKI POLE. In goal, who knows???? Good luck trying to make that work. Obviously the roster will be changed significantly by then but I just wanted to show that there isn't enough money, especially when you consider that with those two unfilled forward spots people are already clamoring for Top 6, big and talented players. There is no money for those kind of guys without significant changes. There is no money for a significant UFA signing like BOYLE. There is no money for even a dumpster dive signing like POULIOT.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:38 am EST

Klein played very well for us since he came over... People here were saying things such as, "he has a very calming affect on our defense." In addition, he scored quite a few key goals & game winners.. He skates well and gives and takes the body, all for the not bloated price of $2,900,000 with 3 years remaining.. IMO he is every bit as good as Stralman, and moving him reminds me of how we moved Stralman & regretted it in hindsight......At this stage in his career, I don't think Boyle can handle a long season and the playoffs.. Didn't he break a hand or arm last year? Yes, anybody can have bones broken, but I'm only interested in NY Rangers. Moving Dan Boyle saves us an additional $1.6 million over trading Klein, & we give up a player who turns 39 this July in favor of the 30 year old.. I'd be on the phone with the L.A. Kings to gauge interest, Robin Regeher is retiring, Slava Voynov is suspended (anyone here know if the Kings will get any cap relief for his suspension?) and they have cap room... LA is not that far from San Jose & Boyle probably has roots & connections there and just may be open to a return to the West Coast... We're more than likely going to need the cap dollars every year, so keeping Klein makes a lot of sense..... For me, moving Klein keeps reminding me of the Stralman situation......

mf


Wed Jun 24 2015 7:22 am EST

TD: I understand what you are saying but take a step back and think about it. In KLEIN you have a guy who is making very little money and his level of play is well above what you are paying him. You don't have to worry about KLEIN's ice time. You don't have to worry about him not justifying his salary. He is exactly what the Rangers need more of. I'd like to see BIG MAC up with the Rangers this year as well. They need a young guy with a low contract in that mix of defensemen. But moving KLEIN out isn't the right way to go IMHO.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:54 am EST

Vic - Two reasons you trade KLEIN: First is he's the easiest guy on the blueline to move contract-wise and second because you open up a spot for McILRATH. Also, I think Klein's trade value is probably at an all-time high. Up until his injury, he was looking like an all-around great defenseman. NTM, Klein-for-Mack also opens up something like $1.5 million in cap space.

tdchi


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:36 am EST

BTW, I don't know if this has been posted here but a good site for Cap info is https://hockeyscap.com/. I heard about on NHL Radio this week. I have been using nhlnumbers.com but I think hockeyscap.com is the new capgeek.com.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:34 am EST

YORK: I agree 100% on YANDLE. That is one of the many points about why the YANDLE deal was absolutely terrible for the Rangers that I've made since day one. However, keep in mind that BOYLE and STAAL have No Trade Clauses. GIRARDI has a full No Movement Clause for the first 3 years so really he can't be moved unless he agrees to it as well. I don't see the Rangers trading McDONAGH unless the Rangers feel that his chronic shoulder problems make him damaged goods. Moving KLEIN solves nothing as the guy is making half of what the others are making.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:34 am EST

VIC: after signings this summer all but a couple players will already be signed for the '17 season. So again. If they can get under this years cap they will be 100% ok even with Yandle at 6-6.5 if they want to go that route.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:24 am EST

RF4L: On YANDLE, someone has to go. I have a hard time believing that the Rangers are going to be paying 4 defensemen over $22 Million against the Cap in the 2017 season. Considering they would have another $32 Million tied up in NASH, BRASSARD, MZA, STEPAN and HANK. That would leave about $20 Million (assuming Cap increases) to fill out 11 roster spots, not counting a 7th defensemen or extra forward. The worst part about that scenario is that of those 9 players I mentioned all but STEPAN and McDONAGH would be 30 years old or older then. When you look at where this team is headed it is hard to be optimistic beyond this year and maybe next year.

Vic


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:23 am EST

Couple quick things Hank on Ovie first name me one guy in the NHL who would say they wouldn't want OV on their team, with that said Hank has called out Nash for the third time this year if you consider that a call out. I don't know but it seems Hank has Nash questions a well......talbot to buff does sather really want him in the east? I wonder if sather has any real intention of trading him to buff or he's using them to up the price. I don't think he wants to face talbot a bunch of times each year but time will tell. I just hope no trade with the sharks they are going to give the rangers their trash and sather loves projects. Chiarelli is kidding himself and fooling no one, if he believed one word of what he said he would not be waiting on talbot and went with a lesser available goalie. TD yak has skill and talent you don't score goals in the NHL because you're young and in shape if that were the case every 18 year old would make the jump and be netting 20 goals. The kid has skill and talent now it's just a matter of where his head is at. I personally don't think he's a good choice because he is such a wild card and I don't see him meshing with AV.......3 on 3 so OT will be pond hockey it will be like that in-between periods lebatt 3on3 pond hockey they did on HNIC back in the 90s with the pros. Lots of goals and open ice, guys like Kreider hags fast should have a field day with their speed.......I wish they would trade talbot and get it over with already all this posturing and I'm betting they end up with exactly what has been on the table all along........Yandle I think the problem here is ice time he can't get the amount of ice time he requires to produce the points to justify his contract. He was rented in hopes of a cup it didn't happen now reality sets in, sather can't afford him and can't afford to lose him for nothing, the question is who, or what are they opening up a spot for with names like KK, Boyle, Yandle popping up in rumors. They are obviously trying to free up cap space but also vacating a roster spot in the process. I don't see girardi being moved despite having the worst puck possession ratio on the d, he's the anchor amd would be a number one pair almost anywhere he goes and he faces the top lines every night. Stall was just signed and I don't see them moving him but stranger things have happened. McD is going no where which brings us back to the three names that keep popping up.........Glass needs to go for the cap hit only liked the guy but not worth the $$$. Friday should be interesting if things drag that long.

York18


Wed Jun 24 2015 6:18 am EST

Re: BOBROVSKY - I got to see what I suspect was the turning point of his career as a Flyer... it was during a 'special' time in that franchise's history...a little background, the year before was when Clarke and co. inexplicably platooned BOUCHER and LEIGHTON --two goalies who clearly had no business starting in the NHL --going into the Stanley Cup finals...the result was Patrick KANE'S OT winner...a real stinker of a shot that most beer league goalies would have stopped...With absolutely ZERO in the pipeline...hell, I even remember the procession of dogshit they had in Adirondack keeping me laughing that season...a desperate Philly then turned to the KHL, where Bobo was putting up some impressive numbers for a very bad team(actually, not unlike TALBOT used to do at Alabama)...Bobo comes over and impresses right out of the gate...but about midway through the season, he hit the wall...then come playoffs, the Flyers inexplicably started swinging between him and Boucher, who had ABSOLUTELY no business in net...so basically, Bobo's confidence was nil...pan to game four...elimination game...Bobo lets in a first period goal, but the game stays close...Flyers tie it in the second...then in the third period, he gets SHELLACKED...just stomped...four-goal period...good night Flyers...swept by a team they beat the year before because a nervous goaltender couldn't stop a beach ball in the closing period of the game...I'm sure Clarke was beating the piss out of a press box somewhere watching that game and swearing the kid would never start for the Flyers...they had two years of poor goaltending and their eye was on the real "prize" --BRYZGALOV...And instead doing the smart thing, which was to let Bobo develop in Adirondack from the start, he threw him