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Mon Jul 28 2014 5:21 pm EST

Bob- Sounds very exciting. I recognize myself a lot in that description. I am 6'4 and played center and it always felt like I was a year "behind"/would have needed a years handicap when I was that age. Size is important, but it don't help at all when you are filling out and you need a stronger core than a smaller player to keep up. I got to play pro hockey when I was 15 which was awsome, but I was never close to getting drafted or being involves in any nat. junior team discussions. My skating just wasn't nearly good enough. Then something happend when I was 20-21, but most ships had already sailed and I took a really hard decision to quite. I can't just say that he gotta work hard, because there are no guarantees. I got to where I got because I worked harder than anyone else and it was far from enough (I played against the Sedins and they were on a diffrent planet). And it's real tough to go all the way. BUT a lot can happend in a short time. I went from being basically flawed at any level to being a pretty good player when I quite, I could have held my own at least on a lower line in the SHL. The last couple of years, when I was around 18-21, I trained extra a lot with the Greek roman wrestling team in my home town, and that really gave me the agility I needed. How easy is it to get ice time for your kid? I always practiced with both the junior team and pro team, amounted to around 10-14 hrs a week. It was pretty insane at the time, but nothing beats pure ice time.

Ola


Mon Jul 28 2014 5:09 pm EST

Idk on AV Hospo. He had tough teams in VC, but the game is also changing. Not enough in that regard to keep our guys from being senselessly attacked. But even if you don't believe having a few legit ruffians is a deterrent, it plainly wipes out any chance for retribution.... And damn right I want some when our guys are targetted. But the thing nobody ever mentions and was as clear as day to me,mix only for a day. That first night Ryan Close was here, you could just see guys playing bigger, then they get a Wolf pack mentality.. They need a focal point as a tough guy IMO. Otherwise they feel no one has their back and timidity creeps in. And buzz was pretty strong we were in on winnick & Carter, so they at least considered it. Sheesh. How many guys have to get assaulted? Championship teams don't allow that shit

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:29 pm EST

RABID - Obviously, what we feel means little but I get the feeling that AV doesn't see the need for more nastiness (especially full time) on the 4th line after Glass.....But, though we differ in opinion on whom, I think we agree the Rangers could use a bit more toughness as insurance for the team and/or a Glass injury

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:13 pm EST

I have zero faith JT Miller will provide the nastiness we need; it leaves all the dirty work up to Glass. And Carter is a quality 4th liner.Devs fans say he brought all that lines energy, he bangs, he fights, and he can play. We always hope a tough guy will be imported, and while we wait our guys get hair brains bashed in.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:06 pm EST

BOB - Wow, news to me..Shows the difference between sports. When my son was being recruited for Goalie in Soccer. many of the schools wanted to see if he could come in a half a year early!

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 4:03 pm EST

RABID - Maybe on Carter, but Why do we need CARTER when we might just have MILLER and GLASS flanking Moore or Lombardi for the 4th line? Now, maybe WINNIK in TOR, shakes free McLaren or Orr for a 30-40 game insurance package, unless they think TARNASKY has that covered

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:46 pm EST

HOSPO--Yeah. Unless they are coming from Shattuck St. Mary's or somewhere like that. When they recruit players from tier programs or high school, the college coaches have relationships with junior teams and they set everything up for the kids and send them there for a year. These days, it is rare that a kid goes into a division 1 school to play as a freshman right out of HS.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:37 pm EST

F*ck. Winnick to TO better mean we get Carter. Not hopeful. But suddenly day after Brass Winnick inks? Hmm...idk..maybe.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:33 pm EST

Actually RF I was babbling on Ryan based on talks this week & NYRs prior interest. But this a.m. dug up his remarks & posted he wants to stay, apparently. Still depends on ownership giving him a market deal, but guess they would ID he wants to be there. Anyhiw, cant let MF take the rap lol.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:30 pm EST

Winnik, Toronto, one-year, 1.3 mil

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:26 pm EST

BOB - Hey Man, congrats on your son. You should be very proud! Is that really true that most American DIV I Hockey players spend a year in Juniors first?

Hospo


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:26 pm EST

MF-- I am 6'2' and WAS the tallest guy in the family. I am not sure he is done yet. He is challenged to get his stride correct because each time he does, he grows again. I have bored the WALL enough with this. Thanks for the ind words.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:21 pm EST

The return for Staal would not be very good. he is set for UFA at season's end and has notable injury history. We would get something, but not anywhere close to equal value.

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:15 pm EST

Bob: Congratulations with your son.....BTW, What are you feeding this kid, I could use some of that. :>)

mf


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:13 pm EST

RF4L--He went to a "midget showcase" at the Air Force Academy and Baxter was there scouting. It was flattering to get the invitation. He was pretty excited. Of course, he was the youngest kid there playing with fully physically developed 20-21 YO's so he was in a little deep. Good learning experience as far as where he needs to get to be successful.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:09 pm EST

damn...parent = partner...

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:09 pm EST

Bob: Still an impressive achievement nonetheless. You must be proud. It's stuff like that that makes you realize all the hassles of being a partner just might be worth it after all. Know what I mean?

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:06 pm EST

Well, he is a 6'4" 16YO forward. NAHL is the level 2 junior league in the USA, behind the USHL. It is a major path for US kids to college, which is the point with my son. He is no David Backes! He is not even a Brian Boyle! He has one year of HS left and would like to play in college. All division 1 college kids down here play at least 1 year of juniors first. He has a VERY long way to go.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 3:00 pm EST

Bob: LOL, that's funny. And congrats on your boy dude. Very impressive. Or at least, it sounds like it is. How significant is getting that invite? I know nothing about NAHL (North American Hockey League I'm assuming). Obviously an amateur league, but what's the compete level? Are there kids in the pros who started there??

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:56 pm EST

RF4L--We oldsters will appreciate this. My 16YO got invited to an NAHL camp last week, the team GMed by Paul Baxter. We were talking about his career and he asked me if I was from Pittsburgh, where he played with Mario and others. I told him I saw him play at MSG and he says "oh geez, they used to throw batteries at me at that place." LOL.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:55 pm EST

Wild: Thoughts on who Staal could bring back?? I agree the return for him would be very good (assuming he doesn't suffer another serious injury).

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:52 pm EST

RR: Surprise, surprise - Ryan isn't on the block and doesn't want out of Ottawa, either. He's being discussed on here as if he might be because of mf's bong trades. LOL. Sorry mf, but it's true...see what you did? Guess it helps keep at least a little excitement on here - mid to late summer is the slowest time of the year for hockey. Not much 'new' stuff to chat about.

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:11 pm EST

Thing is Bob, the D is excellent, least of our troubles. Might even be better with Boyle and McD and Moore improving. You trade even Girardi, it creates problems. Going for a Cup and moving a top-pairing defender sounds nuts (and I'm aware I'm the one who said it lol), unless you had a crying need. We don't know we do, by we might (scoring and I think toughness). So its thorny.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:08 pm EST

Klein cant hold Staal's jock strap. I don't think any D are dealt. If any are this season, it will be Klein or Moore, and it will be because an AHLer is ready to step up. Barring drawn-out contract talks, injuries, I think our top six are set for the next few seasons.

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 2:07 pm EST

If given the choice of trading Staal or Girardi......I trade Girardi. Not sure that the choice is so easy. This shows the importance of McIlrath either making it or being a bust. If he is a bust, their flexibility is severely impaired. Cam Fowler looks awfully good right now.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 1:51 pm EST

Maybe the right question is do you trade Staal --- this year? Striving for a Cup is no time destabilize your D. If that's the conclusion signing him is secondary and must be done. eitjher way, I'd be highly surprised if Staal and Girardi and maybe both are here in 3 years. If a major piece of the D was going I'd list Girardi first based on his playoffs, wear & tear, and the fact he signed a reasonable deal and is easier to move. His NMC means little. But also having a decent in-house replacement in Klein makes him that much more likely, as does his skating, which probably fits AVs system the least of all the blueliners. but if they can't make a prospects only deal, I'd expect someone to be dealt off the D. Its where they are deepest, by could be robbing Peter if one of MCI or Allen can't step in.so, murky situation, wouldn't want to bet on what happens. Most sensible move for Rangers remains dealing futures for what they need .

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 1:41 pm EST

I have to agree on Staal. If he wants to stay, the Rangers should lock him up. Of course, that will require Sather changing his normal pattern of letting these guys get all the way to UFA before negotiating with them......costing the team big bucks like he did with Girardi.

Bob


Mon Jul 28 2014 1:27 pm EST

agreed. Hopefully some creativity can keep the cap hit to under 5 mill per, but you have to be ready to pay up to Girardi money before letting him walk or trading for less value than he brings. Too risky. Lock him up.

Messier11


Mon Jul 28 2014 12:59 pm EST

re: STAAL - Unless he says he's testing the open market or there's a deal for him that's too good to be true, you do NOT move Staal..Probably now the most underrated defenseman on the team right now...and a very good reason STRALMAN seemed so vastly improved from the days where he couldn't even get a job after a tryout...Staal's game has taken some lumps since his concussion and eye injury and I'm not sure he'll ever realize the full potential of what could have been a very good offensive game...but as a D-man, there's noone in the system now that can do what he does as well as he does it. He's part of the nucleus of this team and moving him would be a radical switch from the 'built from the net out' philosophy that has kept this team among the top in the NHL...He's gonna get his payday, no doubt...he'll get at least GIRARDI money...but he's worth it...the guy goes up against the top forwards in the NHL...and having him on the backline allows a lot of the other Ranger blueliners the latitude to explore other aspects of their game...if McDONAGH wasn't as incredible as he is, Staal would be a first-pairing defenseman...the Rangers depth at D is the only reason his contributions sometimes get overlooked.

tdchi


Mon Jul 28 2014 10:34 am EST

RE: Staal: "IF" we're resigning him to an extension, I'd offer 5 years, NOT six, and prefer not to pay more than the $5.5mill we paid Girardi...

mf


Mon Jul 28 2014 10:12 am EST

I have said it before, and I will say it again. Work with Staal/his agent during the season. Try to get him inked to a contract like McD has signed, or maybe even up to what Giradi has. (but if McD can take less than 5 per so can Staal) If he does not agree by the deadline sip him. ESPECIALLY if it looks like one of the kids is ready to take the next step. Klein could move up and play the Defensive mind next to Boyle if need be. Or perhaps part of the package for Staal would be a Dman that could fill in for the remainder of the year. But I would not toss him aside easily. If he will sign a deal something like 5 years 25 mil, or 6 years 30 mil you keep him. With teams paying their top guy 6-7 mil (especially when they are like McD) and 5 or so for the number 2 guy, and 4-5 mil for the number 3 guy you spend just as much if not more than the Rangers top 4 with Staal making 5 mil per or so, but its just that the Rangers would spread the money around the top 4 more equally. There are very few teams who's D would not be improved by adding Staal, so it will be a hard sale. The positive side of that is that if he doesn't sign, and they shop him, he will be "the name" of the deadline. The bidding will be high, and it could REALLY help the rangers. They could get that "true" number 1 center many have wanted, o a big time power forward. Teams would pay out the nose for him. Lets hope Sather doesn't hang onto him hopping to get a deal done, the offers may go down by the draft if he isn't signed.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:40 am EST

Reading up on it a bit, Sens also signed Legwand and Ryan said he loves it in Ottawa and wants to sign an extension.Next! Andrew Ladd might be a better fit for what Rangers need. Not the scorer Ryan is but bigger & meaner. Not a righty shot though.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:29 am EST

Totally agree with the earlier thoughts on Moore re: talent and upside. In today's NHL cap affordability is almost as important in some cases as the talent itself which makes Moore look even better. That said, if you can trade Staal for Ryan- do it. Something tells me Staal is going to overprice himself even with the cap going up the next two years. Great time to be a FA as there will be a boatload of teams working to get to the cap floor next yr

PatrickDiv


Mon Jul 28 2014 9:05 am EST

If theyre not resigning Staal you deal him for Ryan, both UFAs. Sens woyld love Staal with Karlsson as their top pair. Could probably get back one of their mediocre lefty Ds with a pick or prospect thrown in. Idk Moore is ready for Top 4 work, but reupping Staal is a tough call. Push to shove Id gave to vote no. Get a healthier player if you can.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 28 2014 8:47 am EST

FWIW, I concur with those who believe J Moore has some valid upside and shouldn't be tossed aside with the bath water. In addition, he'll come at a cheap cap hit and with the possible departure of Marc Staal this time next year, his value to the Rangers could rise significantly very soon. The only way you consider moving him, IMO, is if you believe he can be adequately replaced by someone within the system, such as Allen or McI.

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 8:43 am EST

IMO, Mark Fraser wouldn't last very long in AV's skating, puck moving system. He's simply too slow. If the Rangers feel compelled to have a physical d-man on the roster who can fight, then they should be looking within their own system for that. McI cannot be any slower than Fraser.

RF4L


Mon Jul 28 2014 6:48 am EST

http://m.sportsbreak.com/nhl/8-biggest-cheap-shots-in-hockey/?utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=sportsbreak_mobile&utm_medium=cpc

stevielegs


Mon Jul 28 2014 6:13 am EST

An armchair view as scout leads me to believe that More is a great skater, has not reached his ceiling, and fits AV's system. Frazier is slow footed, at his peak, and could not stay in the mix with Toronto. At some point he may be an asset but a more valuable one than he is now. Just saying.

gene_carr


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:32 pm EST

If Melnyk (Sens owner) wants to keep more cash I'm his pocket, yeah, theyll cut to the floor. They've progressively been doing that with the biggest names, dumping Alfie, Spezza, though they did re-up Michalek. Main thing with Ryan is does he want to stay there if they're not a competitive team? If not they have to move him. Guess thats why theyre talking

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:15 pm EST

Ottawa has $16,341,66 of cap room, they need to reduce salary more? I read that they're reaching out to Bobby Ryan's agent to talk money... I hope he tells them that he wants to test free agency, or to please trade him...... He's originally from NJ, maybe he wants to come East. (And not to the Debbies, G-d forbid)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 10:58 pm EST

Something about cap hits lessens nearer the deadline, can't remember what exactly. But don't even know if Ryan would be NYRs top target, though I'm sure they take him. Doubt OTT iinterested in absorbing salary, they're looking to dump it. But it is tough but possible financially. And I'd bet they discussed a lot of players last year when they were after MDZ.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 10:49 pm EST

Rhet: To acquire Bobby Ryan, unless we have enough on the farm in addition to JT Miller that Ottawa is interested in, I don't see how we can do a two team trade.... And, I'm thinking we could send them like 2-3 guys off the farm in addition to JT Miller, and ask Ottawa to eat $2.1mill of Ryans salary for this 1 season... That would get us compliant with the cap......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 9:25 pm EST

Well, in theory Rhet, if they end up with about $2m in space now, swapping McIlrath in for Klein saves you $2.1m. So with 4.1 plus ditching Millers 800k, youre right there, roughly 200k apart. Ryan makes 5.1. But a lot has to happen for that to occur. For one, sather and Murray have never made a deal.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 9:15 pm EST

How exactly do we squeeze Bobby Ryan onto this team? Also, which integral part(s) do we move to fit him? (MF... please no more 3 or 4-way trade ideas involving Nash:) ...MF...IMO, the defense doesn't need any more tinkering. We already did that when we signed Boyle. Also, Trading John Moore takes all of the speed off of the 3rd pairing. Speed kills. It was our big advantage in this years playoffs. I'm also more interested in winning games than fights. BTW, we already do have 2 second round picks in next years draft, as well as our 3rd, 4th and 6th round picks.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 27 2014 9:07 pm EST

BTW, Brass NYR leading playoff scorer last 2 years, 24 pts in 35 games. And he was banged up for MTL & LA this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:59 pm EST

Where'd that come from? HaHa....Ho-Sang was half black! Still is, actually LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:58 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOivt19dZz4

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:49 pm EST

I was watching a few of Frasers fights, our 2 guys are not 6'4" & 220lbs, and Fraser is the same price..... Winning is all that matters. Unrelated, I'd like to see the Rangers have a black player or two on the roster.....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:46 pm EST

Sorry MF, you won't like this. Problem with JA is same with Nosen, same with guys like Brent Musberger who nowadays apparently can't get thru a broadcast without groaning when they show the cheerleaders lol. They don't know when is time to step aside and give someone else a chance. Wish Kenny Albert did all our tv games.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:41 pm EST

Our Frasers names are Hunwick and Kostka. and thats if McIlrath isn't ready.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:41 pm EST

I'll take Winnick and sit tight thru late November, do a real thorough analysis and try to set up a killer trade for a scorer. You find a way to get Bobby Ryan or Ladd or similar the team is not just ready for war, its ready to win it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:40 pm EST

Brass will actually be getting paid about 7 mill per season: "While Brassard’s annual cap hit will be $5 million as the average of his total compensation, his salary will stagger from season to season, according to a source: $7 million this season, $6 million in 2015-16, $5 million in 2016-17, and $3.5 million in both 2017-18 and 2018-19. Brassard also, however, has $8 million of signing bonus money embedded within the last three years of his deal when his salary drops the lowest." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/derick-brassard-agrees-five-year-25-million-contract-extension-rangers-source-article-1.1882089#ixzz38itMEflF

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:40 pm EST

John Amirante can do no wrong, watch it fella! :>)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:38 pm EST

That's a wig? Amirante should go see his guy. Truth be told, I always kind of liked Bettman. He loves the game. Hate his referees and office of discipline with a passion. But not easy workin for 30 owners and trying to improve the game.league was a wreck when he took over, gotta say it's improved.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:37 pm EST

RR: these are the numbers: Current Cap Space: $1,332,500.... Send down FAST & bring up Miller costs you $89,167, so the Cap is then $1,243,333.....Adding Mueller ($600K) Kostka ($650K) Hunwik ($600K) + $1,850,000...... Add $1,850,000 + $1,243,333 = $3,093,333 Cap Space...... Thats enough money for JMOORE, MARK FRASER, & one of: WINNICK or CARCILLO or even reclaimation project SETOGUCHI...... I'd like us to add size & grit at this point, we have some size in the East, and we are generally a bit of a smaller finesse kind of line-up.... so my choices to sign Du Jour are JMoore/Fraser/Winnik.... My fickleness is still open to obtaining a 2nd round pick for JMoore...... quagmire-city :-)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:28 pm EST

The lower cap is hurting Philthy, Boston, Shitzburg, more than it's hurting us, so I'm cool with it.. Besides, me thinks that BungHolio the Socialist Midget wanted it at the lower end of the range, so he can flaunt more of an impact about the new TV deal with Rogers Communication next year, to show how great he is, & to stoke his ego, and put himself on a pedestal, (less folks can see his synthetic hair-piece that way)...... Ph_ck you ButtHead........

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:14 pm EST

Includes Miller but not more. So subtract another 800-1m. Correct? And Gorton said MCI close, time to find out. $2m difference on a No. 6 dman is a lot in today's NHL, and could be difference in adding a scorer later in the year. And I happen to like Klein a lot. Bit that cap not going over $70m like everyone thought fucked us. Its why they dealt Dorsett about an hour after they announced new $69m figure. And I think they wanted to try an upgrade.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:14 pm EST

Mark Fraser on Media Day with Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzEBA2EsSE

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:10 pm EST

If Miller makes the team they'll be around $2.2. I'd love to see one more bad ass. The depth chart is getting full lines 3-4 about now, dont know what they're thinking. Should know soon. Brass was last big RFA. But Carter and Winnick have obviously been waiting for something or would've inked a week ago.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:05 pm EST

CAPGEEK (updated) http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:03 pm EST

I left out that the $3,093,333 in cap space INCLUDES bringing JT MIller up to the big club.... sorry

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 8:01 pm EST

RR: Have any of us seen an article that Mc-ILL-Knee is anywhere ready to supplant Kevin Klein? ...... You know, if we send Mueller, Kostka, Hunwik & Fast down, we have $3,093,333 in Cap Space with JMoore still unsigned.... Bet its enough money to sign "3" of the following "4" guys: JMoore, Mark Fraser, Winnik, Carcillo........

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:56 pm EST

MCDAVID & EICHEL are looking 1 & 2 next year & I'm not guessing on the order.

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:55 pm EST

Oh. Gotcha MF. AVs got some ties to Moore & they really like him, supposedly. Isnt it more likely McIlrath moves in & Klein's $3m goes for a scorer?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:51 pm EST

McDavid wont be there in 2nd round. We can comfortably worry about the big league club for one year without hearing about the damn cupboard. Weve got a great (mostly) young team. Managed right, we should never reach the depths of 1998-2004 again.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:48 pm EST

RR: want a crease clearing D'man? I do.. Want someone outside of Kreider to protect Rick Nash? I do..... 6'4" 220lbs, LHS...... We have an opportunity to pick up a draft pick here.... I'll be the 1st to volunteer my limited hockey knowledge, but if signing a guy like Mark Fraser to replace JMoore just changes the dynamic of the defense & doesn't hurt it, it's worth investigating, and that's all I'm asserting by throwing the topic out here... Check this out: https://www.google.com/#q=mark+fraser+highlights

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:43 pm EST

McDavid!

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:29 pm EST

MF, we're on the verge of a Cup. Who gives a shit about a 2nd rounder when you're talking about our No. 5 Dman, and a young good one at that. Please don't do the asset management lecture. Please.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:26 pm EST

Thats right, generally within 10% of midway point on arbitration awards. Contracts are all crazy. But if O'Reilly is worth $6m, Brassard is worth $5. A few good years he looks like a big bargain.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:25 pm EST

Rhet: I've got nothing against John Moore, aamof, I like him.. What I don't like is not having draft picks to participate in a strong draft next year, and I think that JMOORE could fetch a 2nd round pick..... What are your thoughts about MARK FRASER ??? A totally different kind of defender than JMoore, I posted about him earlier "if" you read through the days posts... Here's The Hockey News review on the Fraser:... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5201

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:17 pm EST

Personally, I love Derick Brassard as a player , but I don't really care for the cap hit. He is now the 3rd highest paid Ranger forward. It is what it is in today's NHL. Amazing to think we were talking about $5.5 Mil for a Stepan extension last season. Keeping brad Richards prevented us from signing Stepan to a long-term extension. Now what are we looking at for him, $7 Mil per season? Great job Glennie boy. After we get get Moore re-signed we should re-sign Staal and then Stepan. Then Zucc in January ....MF.... What do have against John Moore? We have plenty of money to re-sign him. BTW, Paul Rangers's best days are behind him. Pass .....TD.... That's not at all how arbitration works. Players do not get awarded more than what they ask for. Usually, the arbitrator will award them with a number at the mid point of what the team is asking and what the player is asking.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:15 pm EST

I'd love to see Kreider pummel a few people, but truth is a lot of guys steer clear of him already. Word's pretty much out by now, any thing he hits he destroys lol.Even the Dmen dont take many runs at him. For one thing, you have to catch that cyborg first. Saw him ragdoll a few guys in college, he can get nasty, but he shrugs most guys off. Don't want him breaking a hand on a helmet either .

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:14 pm EST

Let's all hope MZA is locked up sooner than later.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:01 pm EST

Anyone else think KREIDER might be a bit of a "marked-man" this year after the whole incident with PRICE, and PRUST'S comments to the media? I would like the coaching staff to give KREIDER freedom to drop the gloves a couple of times early this season. A lot of the guys need to establish themselves physically around the league. KREIDER, MCDONAGH, GIRARDI, STEPAN, BRASSARD & even STAAL (I said it) need to drop the gloves and have at least one scrap. It show your heart, courage & willingness to protect (oneself & teammates).

hipcheck


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:01 pm EST

Ester = Sather. Lol.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:00 pm EST

Thrilled they've locked up Brass. Not sure what might rub some the wrong way; This guy is dynamic, passionate, he's been clutch in the playoffs, and he still has upside. Get a pure finisher on his line and his numbers could go way up. But even that misses the point. Our team is about the playoffs now, barring catastrophe. This is a guy that fits great into the core, fits great with Zuc, he can fly in top gear, and is one slippery sumbitch. Good job Esther now having Kreider at to years, Brass at five, and Zuc will be locked up long term before the end of the year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:47 pm EST

most convincing case for doing drugs Ive ever read... ;^) ... Touchee'

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:43 pm EST

I don't know what anyone thinks they're accomplishing by deliberately misconstruing my criticism for dislike. If I dislike a player, anyone here knows I don't keep it to myself. Saying Stepan isn't a number one, Brassard isn't a number two aren't put-downs. Hockey is a four-line sport. It's just being realistic.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:41 pm EST

Wild: I am not upset with this contract, it's obviously what the market commands... Actually relieved this is behind us, and we can move forward..... CAPGEEK, has NOT updated yet, but my calculations show we have $1,332,500 Cap Space, with J.MOORE currently UNSIGNED....moving Mueller down frees up another $600K, brings us to: $1,932,500..... bringing up JTMiller & sending down Fast costs us $89,167.... Kostka & Hunwik make $650K & $600K respectfully, if you send them down, we have a grand total of $3,093,333 of Cap Space, with JMoore still unsigned..... So, I ask again, would you rather sign JMOORE, or trade him for a 2nd round pick somewhere and sign an UFA to fill the void ???

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:40 pm EST

Topovsky- our lacking of a true number 1 center was mitigated by our two bonafide second-line centers, really good third-line center in Brass, and the overall stellar play of the fourth line. We've lost one of those top centers without yet replacing his production. It won't be the same scenario as was last season.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:25 pm EST

Brass apparently has a partial modified NTC. Probably keeps him in NY for a certain number of seasons unless his list of teams matches the trade. So a list of teams he will accept a trade to or more commonly a list of teams he will not accept a trade to.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:25 pm EST

mess 11 what is your point? rangers WERE contenders with Stepan and Brassard as much as you dont like them.

Topovski


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:23 pm EST

mf: they only gave him more than his demand for 1 season. I would bet if arbitration could take a 5 year offer the Brassard camp would have come in at close to 30 million...not 25.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:21 pm EST

Mess: so if a center gets 3 points per game but can only be healthy for 20 of them he is the best center in the NHL? Being healthy is part of the equation. And for you. You can't discount Stepan missing a big chunk of camp with contract crap. It's what a player actually does....not what they woulda coulda shoulda done.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:17 pm EST

No wonder Derick Brassard was so happy to be out of Columbus; while his former team continues to play hardball with Ryan Johansen, the New York Rangers just exceeded his demands in order to avoid salary arbitration. The Rangers and Brassard have agreed to a five-year, $25 million deal. The deal is front loaded, with Brassard earning $7 million next season, $6 million in 2015-16, $5 million the following year, and $3.5 million for the final two years of the contract…….. It was reported yesterday by Elliote Freedman that Brassard’s camp was looking for $4.95 million AAV, and the Rangers counter offer was for $3.825 million. 24 hours later, the Rangers met Brassard’s demands and even through in a little extra. Included in the deal is a LIMITE NO-TRADE CLAUSE; another victory for Brassard…….. Why were the Rangers so intent on avoiding arbitration and getting Brassard signed to an extension? With the Brad Richards buyout, and Brian Boylesigning with the Tampa Bay Lightning, the Rangers are looking pretty thin down the middle for the 2014-15 season. Brassard is currently slotted as the second line center. Next on the depth chart would be Dominic Moore, who put up six goals and 12 assists last season; a big step down from Brassard’s 18 goals and 27 assists. While it shores up the center position, the Rangers overpaid by giving $25 million to a player who has never reached 20 goals in his entire career. Brassard would be third liner on many NHL rosters. Fortunately for Brassard, the limited no-trade clause gives him some control, should the Rangers get buyer’s remorse. Brassard was a valuable player for the Rangers during the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs. He scored six goals and six assists, a 13.3 Sh%, a 51.6 CF%, and a RelCF% of +5.2. During the regular season, his RelCF% was +1.6%........ The New York Rangers have avoided salary arbitration with all of their RFAs this season, including Chris Kreider and Mats Zuccarello. After the Brassard extension, the Rangers have around $4 million left in cap space to sign defenseman John Mooreto an extension and build some depth on their bottom two lines.

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:08 pm EST

Brassard's contract looks high now but they did buy out 1 RFA/ 4 UFA years and $5 million seems to be the going rate for 45-50 pt centers. Also the contract is front loaded so it will be easier to trade the last 2 years when the actual salary is $3.5 million and hopefully their is no NTC.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jul 27 2014 6:05 pm EST

And if couture, stamkos, cammalleri, and koivu had healthy seasons, Stepan would be out of the top 30. Hell, even the mighty Tyler bozak almost matched steps production, in 24 fewer games! I've demonstrated the point amply. I can't force you to process the info. What you do with it is your problem.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:57 pm EST

Also you. Cany use an excuse for BRich not being better (pointed to Nash) than ignore Nash being on Stepans wing. So by your logic, Stepan is more productive with Zucc since Nash is an anchor to a center. Maybe he would have been top 15 only a couple points out of top 10 like the lockout season

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:54 pm EST

Yeah Mess. There are centers better than Stepan. But first line center doesn't mean "top 5 center". It's backward thinking. In your fantasy world only 1/3 or so of the NHL have number 1 centers. The argument doesn't hold water. Yes Stepan would be behind the Crosby and Getzlaf types...duh! Only those guys are at that level. Add to that...how many of those types made the SCF? Oh yeah....none from the east and like 1 from the West in Kopitar...sure sucks to have 3 centers in the top 50 scoring...would much rather have that one guy to carry the team like those other teams....oh wait

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:49 pm EST

ADD to that list Dallas & the NY Islanders

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:44 pm EST

Mess: there were not 25 center above him. MacKinnon played a few games, if not a few shifts at center and O'Reilly only played center when 2 guys were down with injury...and not always...that's why for 3 or 4 games the AVS top 3 C were Stastny, Mitchell and Cliche(sp). So with that if Stepan is not a 1st line center production wise than there are at least 9 teams with no number 1, and really more like half the NHL. You can't say 48th is a 3rd line center due to being a contender. That's reaching and using pure BS to make an argument. The Rangers had 3 centers in the top 50 points wise. If every team had an equally good number 1 and number 2 C that would be 60 players. The Rangers made the SCF partly due to having good production from the center position. Brass was 3rd in production on the Rangers yes, but would have been higher with more ice time, and would have replaced many number 2 guys in the NHL. Also...is it Brass had Zucc and Richards had Nash/Cally or was it more Zucc had Brass and Nash/Cally had BRich?

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:41 pm EST

more proof: a number of those 25 listed centers who out-scored Stepan last years are their teams'……….second-line centers!

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:39 pm EST

Hey Tiger, why stop there? Carolina, Detroit, Edmonton, Philthy, Vancouver.....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:32 pm EST

On what line would Step play in LA? Chicago? Boston? Anaheim? Pittsburgh? Colorado? TB? SJ? Washington? St. Louis? Second line, without a question. Thats is one third of the league.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:31 pm EST

TD: Brassards salary last year was $3.7mill, his "cap hit" was $3.2mill..... so his raise was $1.3mill.....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:23 pm EST

Cody Hodgson and Nick Bjugstad were their respective teams' top-producing centers last season. No one in their right mind would call them first-line centers on a contender. Thats not how it works.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:20 pm EST

Hey Im just being realistic

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:19 pm EST

if you are on the ECF championship team and there are 25 centers who scored more than you and your title is "first line center", theres your farce.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:18 pm EST

Yeah let's be more optimistic about this team. We have one of the greatest goalies in the world. Some awesome defense. Real sold forwards. And wild is right how many teams have a legit #1 center or a Lucic. We're in a good place right now. And let's continue to enjoy our summer. Drink on!

ref24


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:16 pm EST

Brass had MZA. Richards had Nash/Cally. Nuff said. //// Brass was 48th in points among listed centers. For a contender, that means third line. You cant be a contender and have your top-scoring center 26th (among centers) in terms of production. Most people would describe that as second-line production.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:15 pm EST

A $1.8 million raise for Brassard? Man...I understand why they did it...I mean, BOLLAND, who isn't even two-thirds the center as Brassard, got $5.5 million...and if you look at Brassard's stats, they're better...at arbitration, he'd probably get MORE than what he was asking for...but $5 million...man...that's a lot. He better be ready to wheel it next season...he's going to have to play like it's the playoffs for 82 games...cause if $5 million is what the Rangers give centers scoring 45-points per year...we're SCREWED when Step's contract comes up...incidentally, the more these contracts get wheeled out, the more I think this is Rick NASH'S last season on the Rangers...unless he explodes...and even if he does..It's going to be a tough business to keep that salary.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:12 pm EST

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6477/rangers-brassard-agree-to-terms#.U9V5JeNdXSs

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:05 pm EST

Mess: Brass had only 6 less points than BRich and did so with about 3 less minutes of ice time per game. Also as for Stepan...he was tied at 59th in the NHL for scoring...and amongst Centers he came in 26th, but at least 2 guys above him in the standings player little center if any at all during the year. Production wise, in TODAYS NHL he is a first line center. That is unless there are less than 25 teams with a first line center...hell only 8 teams had a center get more than 70 points. So let's drop the "no first line center" farce. Yes there could be upgrades over Stepan, but not much, and not cheap. Stepan in the NHL as it sits is a first lunch center...Brass had a good 3rd line production last year, and this year with some minor improvement production wise will the "right there" with the 2nd line centers in the NHL

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 5:01 pm EST

I think he's great as a third-line C. Thats been my position consistently and I think thats abundantly clear from my posts.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 4:58 pm EST

Oh well, guess not everyone likes Brassard. I do. He had a healthy season and was productive. I expect that he will be again. We'll see.

Bob


Sun Jul 27 2014 4:11 pm EST

Trading J.Moore continued: MARC FRASER is listed at 6'4" 220lbs (LHS) tirns 28 y/o this September..... With him on the back line with Klein, seems like Klein will become the more dominant puck mover of the pair. Not so terrible, Klein displayed plenty of mobility and eagerness to join the rush in the Play-offs... In the meantime, Fraser is reported to be a stay at home defensively sound defenseman... I'm lead to think that he and Klein together could be a crease clearing tandem many have pined for, for long time.... Remember: Probably get at least a 2nd rounder for J.Moore... Moore's still young, wonder if Buffalo wants him, I want a high pick.... :>)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:52 pm EST

M11:my opinion is that we need draft picks, next year's draft is deep. if JMoore & Paul Ranger are a wash, let's start accumulating 2nd & 3rd round picks whic we can bundle with a player next year for the draft....

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:51 pm EST

Not just technically. He was outproduced by both Step and Richards, despite having the highest-scoring forward on his flank for most of the season.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:36 pm EST

Well, they did not have many options. Brassard might have technically been the 3rd line center, but his line was consistently the best one over the season. If someone (Stempniak or Miller) can duplicate what Pouliot bright, they should be fine.

Bob


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:35 pm EST

what's the cap hit for brass-ard?

stevielegs


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:28 pm EST

I am starting to think that the Lombardi signing wasn't insurance for Miller, but rather for Brassard.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:28 pm EST

Brassard would probably have gotten more than 5 next season, but it probably wouldn't have been from us or another contender. Its also assuming he doesn't crap the bed in his bigger assignment this season. Basically were asking a second-line center in Stepan to be a first-line center, and a third-line center in Brassard to be a second-line center. And now were paying him that money before he demonstrates he's capable of that reach.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:16 pm EST

Considering the fact that the Rangers are buying 4 years of Brass' UFA, this a good deal for both. Brass would have commanded more than this next year as a UFA, and probably for more years. Sure seems like Brass really did want to come back to play in NY, which is always a good thing. Moore slots in at $800K to $1MM, and they are good to go unless there is a deal or youngsters who break through.

Bob


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:14 pm EST

Our D pairings are also set. Ranger and others like him are no improvement over our current third pair, and we have prospects and journeymen already locked up or in the system.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:10 pm EST

Our lines are pretty much set. Winnik or even Setoguchi is no real improvement over developing Miller, who can produce to that level currently and has potential to surpass

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:07 pm EST

IYO, then how about Paul Ranger ? (Bet he'd sign for $600K)

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:05 pm EST

Wow. That is a lot of scratch for Brass!!!! Seems to be too much to me..

Shaggy


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:05 pm EST

Moore to Jovo is like replacing a sailboat with an anchor. See the Hamrlik blunder just a couple seasons ago. Moore at 1.25 is a good deal, and you'll be hard-pressed to find a better or even replacement for much less.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:05 pm EST

Sather is not going to give Moore a big raise IMO. The guy has no leverage and every penny counts. $1 mil per is my guess. If Sather gives Moore the lowest he can give contractually, that could mean that Moore's stock in the organization is not that high. When a team makes the Cup finals and then refuses to give one of their regulars a raise, it does not speak well of their opinion of that player.

JFC31


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:01 pm EST

If Brassard is worth $5 mil, what's Zucc worth? Zucc lead the team in scoring and he has to play this year making $1.5 mil LESS than Brassard? Huh? The Rangers better not screw this up....they better do,the right thing and get Zucc signed LONG TERM as soon as the date arrives.

JFC31


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:01 pm EST

If they give J.Moore 1.3 mil per they can have : Kreider, Hags,stempniak, Step, Brass, Nash, Zucc,Mler, Glass, D.Moore Lombardi and Muller at forward with Giradi, Staal, Boyle, Staal, Klein, J.Moore and Hunwick on D. That with just over 500K in cap left. If Moore signs for 1.25 they will have just over a million. That "grows" as the days go by. So they could even go with 12 at and 6D for the home games early in the season since they will be only a quick train ride or drive from NYC to increase that deadline cap space even more.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:00 pm EST

mf - Unless Florida is planning on moving some of their other young guys, I think it's very unlikely they'll sign Kevin...and part of the reason Jimmy isn't signed is that he wants to play in the NHL and wants a one-way contract...The Panthers just signed a bunch of UFAs(JOKINEN, BOLLAND, McKENZIE, and THORNTON)...they also have a number of guys who will be challenging for roster spots...TROCHECK, GRIMALDI and HOWDEN are three that could make the team out of camp...and they've got 13 forwards under contract now....Unless he's better than someone in the top nine, he'd be AHL-bound with the Kitties...as for Kevin's ceiling...I'll say this about him: He was on the best line in the NCAA last year...and while Johny Hockey was a significant reason for their success, so was Hayes. He's got very good vision and has some nice hands...Do I think he could play on the Rangers? Most certainly. I think the kid is ready to go...I was reading somewhere that if he was in draft, that he probably would have gone in the top-15. That to me suggests that he'd be worth a roster spot, especially since the Rangers have frittered away so man picks.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 3:00 pm EST

Brass 5/25.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:58 pm EST

We could get a good draft pick for JMOORE, and sign Jovanofski or Ranger for 3rd line Left Defenseman and have enough to sign Winnik..... Just thinking out loud here, to see what the Wall's Consensus is.......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:56 pm EST

should sign Moore to 1.25

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:54 pm EST

Cap Room: If this 5yr-$5mill is fact, we now have $1,332,500 PLUS $600K by sending Mueller down, for a gran total of $1,932,500 to sign J.Moore & ?????? "OR" will they trade J.Moore ?????

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:50 pm EST

Agree on the NMC/NTC however with the Cap destined to increase next year & possibly the year after, AND the ability to eat part of a players contract in trade, we'll be OK.. jmo naturally

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:50 pm EST

Our FAs of note after this season: MSL, MZA, Hags, Step, Staal. Ouch

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:47 pm EST

Thats too much for a center with third-line production. We will have a hard time moving that contract. hopefully no NMC/NTC

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:45 pm EST

OLA: Wake up and translate this gibberish. ;^) http://www.suomikiekko.com/2014/07/rangers-kiinni-sentterinsa-25-miljoonan-dollarin-sopimuksella/

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:41 pm EST

Earlier article from around noon today: http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/07/27/why-derick-brassards-contract-is-double-edged-sword-for-new-york-rangers/

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:33 pm EST

5yrs/25 mil for Brassard

professa


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:19 pm EST

If the team in a tax-friendly state cant support a contender, the marginal savings in taxes won't matter much when the earning ability of the player is compromised by low performance. Florida is not the team to build towards a UFA payday. Dallas is looking better, TB maybe.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 2:08 pm EST

Last I read, Bjugstad was one of the handful of untouchables in Fla

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:45 pm EST

Considering the young stable Florida has assembled, no State Income Tax, and brother Jimmy already there, "maybe" The Panthers are the current #1 consideration for Kevin Hayes.......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:40 pm EST

IYO, what kind of potential do you see in Kevin Hayes ? t/y

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:33 pm EST

mf - Jimmy HAYES didn't do too much with the good look he got with the Kitties last year, but I think his ceiling is a little higher than fourth line...he's a big body, he has talent...actually, he could be a younger version of BOYLE...But yeah, the primary reason would be to give another incentive to Kevin to sign in New York come Aug. 17.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:10 pm EST

Now tell me this type of player wouldn't be a nice one to havae as our second line pivot: http://video.panthers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=587365

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 1:04 pm EST

davidsoc30 - I would start with BRASSARD and MOORE, just 'cause they'd fit with the Kitties pretty nicely...and they're the last two without contracts...I kind of doubt they'd be too interested in either MILLER or KRISTO, because they have a plentiful supply of young forwards...SKJEI might grab their attention...or maybe even McILRATH...they need D even though they did just draft Ekblad...I think both guys could be had and if there was ever a time to make a pitch for them, it's now...I think BJUGSTAD's poised to have a breakout year..

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:58 pm EST

Messier11 - I don't know man...I think BJUGSTAD, if he's not a number-two right now, will be one by next season. The kid lead the craptacular Panthers in points...and frankly, I'd be a little surprised if he was on the market...my thinking is that maybe...just maybe...they'd bite on BRASS because he is further along in development...but the key with Bjustad is adding size cheaply to a team that doesn't have any...and with the forwards competing for a job this fall, the right offer might get them moving...but I see Bjustad as a 50-point player next season. I'd put money on it. The kid is already 6'5 and 220 pounds. He's gonna be a beast when he fills out a little more.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:57 pm EST

FORGET THAT LAST YOUTUBE: TRY THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJZYG5qwHHI

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:50 pm EST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiB_DL_9818

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:29 pm EST

Well, we just may hear of a deal between Brassard & The Rangers prior to arbitration tomorrow. If not, I believe the arbitrator has 48 hours to make a ruling which could bring us to Wednesday........ Brassard turns 27 September 22nd.... If the Rangers are willing to go 5 years with this kid, which means he will be 31.9 yrs old at the end of this contract, I offer the following proposal for feedback: 5 yr deal, $4MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM, $4.5MM (this avg's to a $4.4mill cap hit per year.. We build in a $250,000 BONUS INCENTIVE for him to shoot for Next Season's play & the 3 seasons thereafter, and a second BONUS INCENTIVE for years 4 & 5 so the kid could theoretically make $4.75mill next year & the year after, and $5mill in years 4 & 5....... The bonus money counts against the following years Cap, and NOT against the "average cap hit per year..... Me thinks this is a creative "olive branch" which may be acceptable to both sides.........

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 12:14 pm EST

TD: What do you think it would take to land Bjugstad and Hayes? Any chance we could center a package around Hagelin and Moore with a near ready prospect such as Miller or Kristo?

davidsoc30


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:34 am EST

Bjugstad may someday be a number 2 center, but I doubt it. He isn't one now. Thats our problem with Brassard, except his potential is capped by age.

Messier11


Sun Jul 27 2014 11:01 am EST

Just looked at the 2010 draft sequence, Florida had 3 1st round picks, 3 2nd round picks, a total of 13 picks in the draft........ BJUGSTAD picked at 19, FOWLER at #12, Sather chose Dylan MC-ILL-KNEE 10th... Great job Slats..... As for this Jimmy "Purple" Haze, The Hockey News states that he's needs work on his skating, and parking him in front of the net on the 2nd PP unit is no endorsement of his skating or defensive game..... Would A.V. trust him? Maybe some skating lessons with B.Boyles lady skating coach is in order, all moot unless a trade can be made... ON the Rangers, looks like Jimmy Hayes would be 4th line RW, nothing wrong with that, AV roles the lines real well (IMO)......... Are you including HAYES as a lure to get his brother to sign here? I'm interested in the center BJUGSTAD............. Once this years signings are completed, and the talk turns to contract extensions for next year, perhaps Sather will focus on adding picks for next year......

mf


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:33 am EST

Speaking of Jimmy HAYES...The two Hayeses could end up going as a pair if this keeps up: " The Panthers and restricted free agent Jimmy Hayes were unable to come to terms so the two parties will settle their dispute at a hearing in front of a neutral arbitrator next week in Toronto, according to a source. Hayes, 24, is the last unsigned Panther on the roster, excluding rookie defenseman Aaron Ekblad, who's expected to sign before training camp in September. The 6-foot-6 Hayes,who was orginally drafted by the Maple Leafs in the second round in 2008, came over in a trade from the Chicago Blackhawks on Nov. 14, along with defenseman Dylan Olsen for forwards Kris Versteeg and minor leaguer Philippe Lefebvre. Hayes, who had been bouncing back and forth between Chicago's AHL affiliate in Rockford and the Blackhawks over the past three season, found a niche on the Panthers' fourth line this year. However, he was most effective when former interim coach Peter Horachek placed the 6-6 Hayes in front of the net on the team's second power-play unit where he blocked the goalie's view and cleaned up rebounds. Hayes played 55 games, 53 with Florida, and notched all of his career-high 11 goals – three on the power play - and seven assists with the Panthers. Hayes, who finished his three-year, two-way contract last season, was making an NHL salary of $687,500 and a prorated $65,000 in the minors. Including Hayes, the Panthers have 14 forwards on the roster, as well as young forwards such as Rocco Grimaldi, Vincent Trocheck, Garrett Wilson and Quinton Howden all vying for potential roster spots. The Panthers will be represented at the hearing by General Manager Dale Tallon and manager of hockey operations Mike Dixon, as well as a Toronto law firm. The arbitrator will decide how much Hayes earns this season. A player can not receive less than 85 percent of his previous salary."

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:20 am EST

Messier11 - I don't know about that...Granted, I don't think that trade would ever happen...But it'd actually drastically improve the Rangers...Bring in two righties...Bring in a large center with a HUGE upside...shed some salary...get a guy many are saying can contribute immediately...and then you move NASH to where he's got a physical presence on his line(GLASS/MILLER) and someone who can add speed(LOMBARDI/STEMPNIAK)...And Nash, as we've learned, doesn't need talented guys on his line. All he needs is someone capable of protecting his ass...So are those things likely? No...Yet they'd be good moves for the Rangers to make.

tdchi


Sun Jul 27 2014 7:14 am EST

mf - yeah, BJUGSTAD'S a player I've wanted since the 2010 draft...he was projected to go mid-first round and the Rangers were picking 10th that year, so I was hoping either they'd trade down or take a chance on him...seems like he's developing into the center that I figured he could be, namely a big, physical pivot good at both ends of the ice...I was thinking the Kitties with BARKOV and HUBARDEAU might give a thought of moving him...but that's just pure, 100 percent fantasy on my end...incidentally, Jimmy HAYES is also a righty...And if Moore was moved, they could always give MDZ another crack at making the team.

tdchi


Sat Jul 26 2014 9:26 pm EST

Brassard scored 18 goals and 45 points in 81 regular season games before collecting 12 points in 23 playoff contests last season. He’s likely to be counted on quite a bit more in 2014-15 after the team’s summer of turnover at the center position............“I tried to get away from the game a little bit, but now I’m back in the gym trying to get stronger and faster,” Brassard said on Thursday. “Just this week I was thinking about how excited I am about going back to New York and playing again......... http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/26/brassard-rangers-about-1-1m-apart-in-arbitration-requests/

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 8:32 pm EST

Stempniak sees Rangers as fit for his game... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727180

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 4:15 pm EST

most convincing case for staying off drugs Ive ever read

Messier11


Sat Jul 26 2014 2:54 pm EST

We could sign a guy like Paul Ranger for $600k - $1million to fill J.Moore's spot... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3095

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 2:51 pm EST

TD: You also solve the Rangers Cap Space issues, & center issues.... Florida is still being hit $1.4mill the coming season for Kuba, and $2.2mill for this season and the one thereafter for Versteeg.. Perhaps a pick off our farm & we pick up the Kuba charge of $1.4mill to sweeten to deal... Bobby Ryan who? :-)

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 2:14 pm EST

Here's some bong action for you. BRASSARD wants big money? So does MOORE? Trade them both to the Panthers with a prospect(let's say KRISTO for argument's sake) in exchange for BJUGSTAD and Jimmy HAYES...tell brother Kevin there's a spot for both of them on third line with Dom MOORE. Have BJUGSTAD anchor second with MSL and KRIEDER... Move HAGELIN up with STEPAN and ZUCC and have NASH on the wing with LOMBARDI and GLASS/STEMPNIAK/MILLER...bring ALLEN in for LD and if he doesn't work, we have HUNWICK. Next year, SKJEI will be challenging for that job anyway. Suddenly you solve the Rangers' size and righthander issues.

tdchi


Sat Jul 26 2014 12:37 pm EST

Hospo: Personally, I liked Carcillo's tenure with the Rangers, not sure about the Ranger Brass, nor if his Dick-Tatorship BungHolio midget socialist has put the hit out on Carcillo ie: we don't want that behavior in the league.. (the fact that they shortened his sentence last year contradicts this last train of thought of mine). ... Of the remaining players, this WINNIK guy looks good to me... (turned 29 in March) RHS, managed 6G's, 24A's,30pts, ..... According to the Hockey News... Assets: Can play any forward position and displays plenty of "DEFENSIVE ACUMEN" Has excellent size for the NHL game, as well as plenty of determination. Flaws: Doesn't always use his large frame (6-2, 210 pounds) to the best of his capability, especially offensively.(SO HE'S GOT TO USE THE BODY BETTER) Is prone to prolonged scoring droughts.(not a big deal, his role is a bottom 6 on our squad) Career Potential: Versatile veteran forward. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4856

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 12:14 pm EST

MF - Having a MILL is more than enough to get a good player as the Rangers have shown the past three weeks or so...Settling in the middle with Brassard sounds like the way to go to me..

Hospo


Sat Jul 26 2014 11:51 am EST

If Brassard is signed at $5mill, we have $593,333... Obviously, any amount below $5mill, gets added to the $593,333 figure.... SO, if Buzzard signs for $4.4 mill, we'd have $1,193,333 and a cup to beg for coffee money in front of The Garden.

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 11:47 am EST

The current Cap Space is: $6,843,333... This amount includes the following: FAST sent down, Miller brought up (difference of $$89,167) ...Mueller sent down (clears $600K) .... Yet to be signed: J.Moore & Derick Brassard.... "IF" J.Moore is signed for $1,250,000...we are left with $5,593,333...... So if Brassard is signed for less than $5mill per, theoretically, you can afford Carcillo at $6ooK per..... Then you can go in front of The Garden with a cup, & beg for coffee money.......

mf


Sat Jul 26 2014 11:38 am EST

Say the Rangers and Brass meet in the middle at 4.4 mi...SO, alomg with Kid K's 2.4 Mil. ANd ZUcc's 3.5MIll???..Does that leave 1 mil for a Carcillo or Carcillo type?

Hospo


Sat Jul 26 2014 10:17 am EST

Derick Brassard has asked for $4.95 million in arbitration. ( Elliotte Friedman) The Rangers countered with $3.825 million. Brassard’s arbitration award would only be for one-year since he is eligible to become a UFA next summer. The two sides can still settle before Monday’s hearing. Last season, Brassard had a cap hit of $3.2 million but had an actual salary of $3.7 million.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 26 2014 8:35 am EST

Marc Staal said that he is excited to get to know Dan Boyle and the team is excited to have him. (TBNews) Staal said that Boyle is still a great player, very talented with the puck and will be a “huge help” on the power play. (TBNews) It’s been speculated that Boyle will shift into Anton Stralman’s spot and skate with Staal but Staal said that he isn’t sure what the pairings will be. (TBNews) Asked about Staal, Boyle said “him and I played in the All-Star game a few years ago so I do know him a little bit but he had to deal with the eye injury but he looks like he has come back from it. As far as playing with him, any partner I have had in the past has kind of had to adjust to me a little bit more, I can play with anybody. I am a positive guy on the bench, I am hard on myself but when it comes to my teammates I am very positive and supportive and whatever he needs from me, I’ll be there. He is a responsible D man and allows me to go out there and do what I do best and hopefully it’s a good match. (Rangers)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 25 2014 5:23 pm EST

If you guarantee it JFC, I'll take it. But beers are in order should he fall short, OK? LOL. Granted, Zuc is in far better position once in the zone on his forehand for intercepting clearing passes & wraps, etc. I'd maintain his real magic comes off the rush, but whatever..... Forgot what I was gonna say haha.... Oh, main thing to me is he just never looked comfortable on LW; but when he's shooting up the right the little bugger looks downright dangerous..... And they almost never get to him before he gets off a great pass to a trailer or whomever.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:26 pm EST

jratelle19...great stuff, t/y

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:22 pm EST

Hello Wallsters! Been lurking for the last month or so but haven't posted much. Wednesday night I drove up to Stamford, CT for a charity game for the Big Assist VI for Mr. Obie Harrington-Howes, a hockey and lacrosse coach from the area who suffered paralysis from an accident at Jones Beach some years ago. He was Ryan Shannon's first hockey coach and Shannon has organized the event for the last 6 years. Anyway, MSL headed the blue team and the only other Ranger was Ryan Harrington from RPI. Kreider was originally listed to be in the lineup but he had to cancel due to what turned out to be an unnecessary trip to Toronto for the arbitration hearing. Other NHLers there were Kevin Shattenkirk, Matt Moulson, and Torey Krug. There were many college players from the area as well. Anyway, Marty was awesome and he stuck around for autographs and pictures. Here is a news report of the event with a video: (http://stamford.itsrelevant.com/content/19569/big-assist-vi-brings-together-athletes-for-a-cause). Anyway, it was a fun night and it was great to watch some live hockey in late July. Any Wallsters in the tri-state area who would like to attend the event next year, keep this website handy next year (http://www.ohhf.org/).

jratelle19


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:21 pm EST

Lombardi racked up 20g/30a/50pts last season...... Not that it's my 1st choice, but I believe Ryan could play center.... It should be our worst problem.... Can Stempniak play center?

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:09 pm EST

Yikes. That means Miller is the number 2 center. Or Lombardi!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:06 pm EST

MSL/Rangers from this morning on NHL.com ; http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727139&navid=DL|NHL|home

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 4:02 pm EST

RF: a little twist: If Brassard turns out to be a problem at, during, after arbitration, Brassard to the Jets, Kane to Ottawa, Ryan to NY Rangers.... we can make that lineup work too. and IF Nash has a good year, terrific......

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:58 pm EST

Bite your tongue young man, don't want anyone concussed... Hopefully the league is diligently phasing the head-shots and hits where the players are "leaving their feet" out of this game....... As for the L.T Disability Premiums, when you're serious, I can introduce you to a great guy at NorthWestern...

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:51 pm EST

Hash and bonging and mf Nash trade proposals. Peas in a pod! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:50 pm EST

So what would the premiums be for a policy to insure Zuke gets paid $6.5 million a year from 2015 to 2021 after he has to retire due to severe concussion suffered this fall?

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:49 pm EST

RF: Got some damn good H.S. hash stories..... Which brings us to, "Nash to Winnipeg, Kane to Ottawa, Bobby Ryan to the NY Rangers.... Krieder / Stepan / MSL..... Ryan / Brassard / Zucc ..... Hagelin / Lombardi / Stempniak ....... Glass / Moore / Miller .......

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:45 pm EST

Maybe you should start conjuring up hash trade proposals.....

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:44 pm EST

Mf: I think is less plausible than your Nash trade proposals! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:38 pm EST

seems like Lombardi is and was brought in to play center, that's where I'd pencil him in... As for Stempniak, if he doesn't fit on the LW with Brassard / Zucc, 4th line RW seems the logical spot....

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:26 pm EST

evets not an implausible lineup at all. If those top six are a given, I think the bottom six would be Miller/Lombardi/Hags, Glass/Moore/Stempniak. Lombardi is a much better center than Miller currently, and Stemp has good PK stats. Hags has previously stepped into his off-wing when called to.

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:18 pm EST

mf: I'm hoping that doesn't happen AGAIN... :)

Ranger47


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:16 pm EST

RF4L: Let's say you fell off your chair while you were Bonging away trying to stay young and you broke the arm you held your bong........... :-) ....... and it caused nerve damage..... and you ........ :>)

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 3:14 pm EST

Policies like that absolutely DO exists, look at Long term care & disability... (NorthWestern Mutual is a very good company)(http://www.northwesternmutual.com/ )... They protect one of your greatest assests, "your ability to earn." Naturally, the amount of potential earnings you insure for, plays a factor into your premiums. Your line of work would also be a factor......

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:58 pm EST

would be astronomical. If such policies even exist at all.

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:35 pm EST

RR: Not like I think you're thinking. I suspect the premiums to insure a player for a contract he doesn't have and hopes to get, especially when you're talking about way more money.

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:20 pm EST

Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello, Kreider-Stepan-St. Louis, Hagelin-Miller-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Lombardi, McDonagh-Girard, Staal-Boyle, Moore-Klein, Lundqvist-Talbot... I don't hate this roster and I think that Lombardi and Stempniak will bring a lot to the table for this team. Now, if one or more of Lindberg, Fast, Haggerty, Mueller (and to a much lesser extent Kristo, Duclair), etc. overtake some of the bottom six guys, the Rangers will be all the better for it.

evets1980


Fri Jul 25 2014 2:17 pm EST

RR -- if Zucc can take the opponents' clearing passes up the boards and intercept them on his forehand rather than his backhand, his options are much greater....he becomes more of a scoring threat and obviously he'll also be able to pass off of his forehand. When he pinches down towards the corner to block and/or start a cycle, he's starting on his STRONG side....he can whip a pass to the front with more accuracy or he can start a puck possession battle on his strong side. He can do more from his forehand than he can from his backhand IMO....more options. Yes, he's a wizard off of his backhand....he makes those passes look easy when they are not, but he could be even more effective making passes off of his forehand....he'll still be able to curl just as effectively IMO...he'll figure it out. I guarantee he'll be more of a scoring threat from LW....he'll be able to do his wrap-a rounds more frequently/effectively. I think he has 25 + G potential from RW. Just because we're used to seeing him mainly as a playmaker doesn't mean he isn't a hell of a lot more than that.

JFC31


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:30 pm EST

even that they can privately insure; and Im sure they have;

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:25 pm EST

RR: Or the agent is good and said to Zuke: "You believe in you and I believe in you. Therefore, if you're willing to risk playing on a 1 year deal for less money, you'll be a rich man 5 to 6 years from now because I'll get you a deal that will double what the Rangers will pay you on this 1 year deal. The only risk is you suffering from a long term injury that impacts jeopardizes your career."

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:12 pm EST

meant to say, sounded like they had the parameters of a long term deal, but they cant announce till jan. 15th. But Zuc's agent wasn't doing him any favors if he allowed a 1-yr deal to be signed without having a good idea of what they were getting back in term.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:10 pm EST

Totally capable RF. First time I saw him I swore he was a 75-pt guy; then Torts wouldn't play him for two years LOL; To me, there's a guy that can & should score points every night. Question is who's he playing with? A finisher, a real good finisher, can be the difference between 55 pts and 75. And it doesn't have to be a Reggie Leach type sniper. Kreider works for me. Id also like to see Zuke shoot more, keep the D honest. He scored a lot in Europe, won the gold helmet and everything LOL. Cracked me up, cause it's like a giant gold bullseye on your head haha...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 1:03 pm EST

Imagine if the Zukester has a great season - like puts up 80+ points (and finishes in the top 10 overall scoring)? He'll be looking at a long term deal next summer of over $6,000,000/per. IMO, he's quite capable of it, assuming the Rangers remain competitive. If so, it behooves Sather to start negotiating a long term deal with this dude now, rather than his usual wait until the last might crap.

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 12:42 pm EST

Think you're 180 off on that JFC; we touched on it last week but never exactly. Zuc needs to shake defenders coming up either wing, to buy time. Hes a lefty shot. Streaking down the left, his curl towards the boards leaves him on the backhand. Curlin to the middle subjects him to all kinds of back check pressure. Down the right, he spins 360 and is back on the forehand, and sees the whole ice. Very tough to do it from left . Not that that little'wizard can't, but I've noticed its just so natural on the right side, why mess with success? Let somebody else move. Anyway I think its Sather who needs to import a quality LW to replace the one we lost. Or it might be one of JT, Lombardi or Stamp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 12:27 pm EST

I would definitely try Zucc at LW before I tried Nash. Again, he has played LW in Europe and his skill set, creativity and vision will allow him to adjust much quicker than Nash. Also, since he is a left handed shot, Zucc will be able to get the puck off the boards on his forehand, rather than his backhand, which is what he has to,do,when he plays RW. This could be a very good for,Zucc and increase his goal scoring by having more chances to shoot quickly off the forehand rather than having to,dish off the backhand. Zucc's ability to cycle will also improve on the LW for the same reason....he'll be on his forehand more.

JFC31


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:40 am EST

Id consider all bets off when it comes to Torts experiments. The Nash/Gaborik treatment however was especially puzzling.

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:30 am EST

RF4L...yes but it was just Mr. Mister, mister

RF73


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:21 am EST

I think it's great that we have so much quality youth in the lineup & on the bubble. It wasn't that long ago, we had nothing. We are very young compared to many Ranger Clubs over the years. -- If NASH could prove everybody wrong & dominate (like we all know he is capable of) this year... WOW would that solve a ton of problems for this Team. -- CARCILLO must be resigned. Period. End of Story!!

hipcheck


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:12 am EST

Mess, in the other 20 games ha. Nah, under Torts & then very briefly AV tried Zuc on left early on and quickly abandoned it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 11:06 am EST

Wasn't Mister Mistered an 80's pop band?

RF4L


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:31 am EST

when and why was Zucc playing LW? I don't remember that, and I want to say that I watched 60+ games last season (not including playoffs)

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:30 am EST

bad jokes are off-topic wall content

Messier11


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:23 am EST

mf, so how can there can be something missed but not not something mistered?...sounds a bit sexist to me.

RF73


Fri Jul 25 2014 10:15 am EST

It's not what you missed, it's what you're missing. :-)

mf


Fri Jul 25 2014 9:25 am EST

Nash is far better on the right. Was invisible just about every game I can remember on the left. same goes for Zuc. BTW, Nash led team with 9 GW goals. Next closest was Hags with 5.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 25 2014 7:44 am EST

Stevie.... Nash is supposedly comfortable on either wing (listed as a Left Wing before he came here). Gaborik was also allegedly comfortable on BOTH wings. He played both at times in Minnesota.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 25 2014 7:35 am EST

Mats Zuccarello....“They have a cap, and then it was best to sign for one year. It makes me a free agent next year, but I am very happy to play on the Rangers. I feel it is my club and hope we have a good year.”

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 25 2014 7:14 am EST

is Nash a left wing or a right wing? if he's a left winger why has he been playing on the right? gaborik was pushed to left wing because of him. what did I miss? both coaches have played him on the right.

stevielegs


Fri Jul 25 2014 6:29 am EST

The key for John Moore is going to be what does he do with the puck? Too many times offensively nothing happened. Said several times he's a real interesting storyline this year, with all the experience he gained. And I think its something undervalued from the whole team, how much better are our younger guys going to be? It should be sizeable. Stepan in particular is a guy who needs to show more, should be primed for the best season of his career. If not, I've got little patience anymore for psuedo or supposed top centers that don't shoot the puck.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:44 pm EST

responding to the earlier banter between mf & stevielegs

RF73


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:38 pm EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-players-restricted-free-agents-salary-arbitration-file-reimer-subban-franson-eller-brassard/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:10 pm EST

RF73.... I'm lost, what does that have to do with Hockey?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:09 pm EST

Now allegedly, Brassard could get as much as $5.6 Mil per on a long-term deal(OJoe Pavelski makes ^$6 Mil pwe). Where does it end? That was the kind of money we were talking for a Stepan long-term extension last season. Brassard just hasn't put up the numbers to warrant such a cap hit. I mean he's been terrific in the post season, but where would the guy be without Zucc? JMO, but if his demands don''t come down the Rangers should take him to arbitration and explore trade options. Kadri is rumored to be available :) ....http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/brassard_could_get_56m_per_contract_door_not_closed_on_carcillo/16901281

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 24 2014 6:40 pm EST

All female things refer to men...menopause, guynecology, histerectomy, etc....women can only return the favor with herpes.

RF73


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:53 pm EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/07/24/new-york-rangers-should-let-derick-brassard-go-to-arbitration/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:17 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/7/24/5932917/financially-smart-extensions-leave-glen-sather-with-money-in-his

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:13 pm EST

http://rangersunlimited.com/2014/07/24/brassard-presents-tricky-situation-for-rangers/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 5:07 pm EST

Eller & Les Habs come to terms..... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=727112&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 4:09 pm EST

St.Legs: Questions which begin with the word, "why," are critical in their context... I have no idea "why" the word menopause is used and not a word womenopause in relation to a period of a womans life. It could be that men do experience menopause, we may just refer to it as a mid life crisis.... As for knowing any men experiencing men-o-pause, who allowed you to leave the off topic Wall ? :->)

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:57 pm EST

Mf why isn't it womenopause? Do you know any men with menopause?

stevielegs


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:48 pm EST

Totally agree on J.Moore.... Pay the kid $1.25mill, give him a raise, and keep him happy......

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:20 pm EST

John Moore is so underrated it is ridiculous. He skates like the f#cking wind. He has Size, Youth & Pricetag on his side. He needs a good, fair contract. This kid skates his ass off tracking down pucks. He has shown some aggressiveness in certain situations.. He went after WEISE with a bloodthirsty vengeance in the MONREAL' series. I love watching him skate. One of the most "pure" skaters in the league. J. MOORE will be a D Stud when he puts it all together. Sign his ass!!

hipcheck


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:12 pm EST

maybe you're going through menopause

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:04 pm EST

Current Cap: $6,843,333 ...... This includes: Miller, Kostka, Hunwik, ON the roster, Jesper Fast sent down...... Brassard & J.Moore still needing to be signed, & a cushion left over

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:00 pm EST

For some reason, I'm getting the strange feeling NASH will prove us all wrong & resurrect his totally dominant play.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 24 2014 2:59 pm EST

R2000: Enjoy, http://capgeek.com/free-agents/

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 2:38 pm EST

So, do we really have 6.3 million left? If so, maybe we should target a #1 center? I like Stepan but I'm not sold on him as a #1 until he scores 40 goals.Who's still out there we can sign?!

rangerfan2000


Thu Jul 24 2014 12:47 pm EST

Eller 56th in the league last season in number of FOs won. First on Canadiens in FO % among qualified centers. Was first among Canadiens forwards in hits, first among Canadiens forwards in blocked shots, and was sixth among all canadiens skaters in shots on goal.

Messier11


Thu Jul 24 2014 12:19 pm EST

Canadiens and Eller far apart on salary. Candiens offering 1.65 and Eller seeking 3.1. Eller scored only 26 points in 77 regular season games, but added another 13 in 17 playoff games, was in fact leading scorer among Canadiens forwards in playoffs. 25 years old, center, 6' 2" 215 lbs. Scored 30 points in 46 games last season.

Messier11


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:40 am EST

Rhet0ric/hipcheck - I'd bet a lot of the "non-interest" in CARCILLO has to do with the BRASSARD and MOORE contracts. Once they're out of the way, I could see the Rangers at least offering an invite to Carcillo for camp, if not a one-way contract in the $750k range. The Rangers actually need Carcillo...in a pretty bad way too. Sad they don't understand that, especially after the lack-luster start last year...when all the talk centered around the Rangers needing a spark. If for nothing else, sign the guy to play all the games against Philly.

tdchi


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:05 am EST

CARCILLO was an impact player for us. He can skate, he's smart, he fit in well, 2 huge playoff goals against our #1 enemy, he has ability to generate 4th line offense, he brings a swagger & he instills confidence in his teammates. He deserves another contract with NYR.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:05 am EST

Boyle wasn't about money he was about line duties. Wanted to pick his spot in the lineup. I just wonder how long until he's cruising TBs fourth

Messier11


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:05 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57562-NHL-freeagent-defenceman-Cory-Sarich-injured-in-cycling-accident-extent-of-injuries-unclear.html

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:00 am EST

$7.8 million

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 11:00 am EST

mf: I agree, Hank doesn't have to be at 8.5 per year. I love Hank and don't disagree with anyone that he is the face of the franchise. But imagine if he took 7.5 per year instead of 8.5? Maybe we have Boyle back or money to play with. I didn't like that signing/contract. I think it will hurt us.

davidsoc30


Thu Jul 24 2014 10:59 am EST

Quiet day, in Brooks article http://nypost.com/2014/07/23/rangers-kreider-agree-on-2-47m-deal-at-last-minute/ ..... he mentions trying NASH on LW with Brassard / Zucc.... I'd give it a whirl. Last year when Nash was on LW (believe during the playoffs) he was shooting harmless shots from the Leftside like 10 feet in from the blueline.. Don't need him for that, need him to carry it deep, set something up, or carry the puck around the back of the net to his strong side for a shot or pass, especially if he's drawing a defender out of position...... Better yet, trade his $7.7million Dollar ass to Winnipeg for Kane to the Senators for Bobby Ryan to the NY Rangers.. :-) ....... Esther's a hot Momma, Sather Sucks!

mf


Thu Jul 24 2014 10:08 am EST

Jeez, Semenov.Those were the dark old days. Stamkos talking like he's looking forward to free agency. sather thought he had him years back. If he's still around, you know that old dog is gonna go after him - along with everyone else.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 24 2014 9:29 am EST

Ryan Haggerty spoke yesterday at a charity hockey game in Stamford, CT and said that during his time around the Rangers in the playoffs he learned from players like Brad Richards and Marty St. Louis about how to conduct yourself, be a pro and show up to work everyday. (Stamford Advocate) Haggerty says that he has gotten to know the coaching staff a bit and how they work but understands that he won’t be given a spot on the team and that he needs to make his presence felt. (Stamford Advocate) He says that he is preparing to take the right steps to be the best he can be and ultimately play with the Rangers. (Stamford Advocate)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:58 am EST

Oh Rabid - Ruslan Fedotenko was a camp invitee!

DREW


Thu Jul 24 2014 3:56 am EST

Rabid - I am not sure if this is the level of "surprise" you were looking for but Alexei Semenov comes to mind. I believe he was offered a contract but signed with Dynamo Moscow. He was actually invited 2 years in a row......http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/semenov-says-wife-not-a-factor-in-his-departure-from-rang/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

DREW


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:47 pm EST

Think they'd prefer to move in a direction different from Carcillo, think they feel he's a marked man, and have other ores in the fire. Heard Carter wants to return to that swamp. That'd leave Winnick, all supposition on my part. Could be some $ involved one way or another. Hospo, remember Tik, that got ugly, the other one I remember oddly enough was Nedved, who was one of the best players on the team all thru camp, then cut loose. Ortmeyer snuck in. I can't remember anything from way way back, you never even heard about camp. They mostly just got together to drink some beer!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:38 pm EST

Per Larry Brooks.... "The Post has been told that though there are no plans at the moment to re-sign Dan Carcillo, the door has not been closed on the possibility."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:12 pm EST

HOSPO-Terry Kleisinger

Bob


Wed Jul 23 2014 9:20 pm EST

RABID - Not sure it fits your requirements, but the one that comes to mind is ESA TIKANEN Part III... Invited to Camp..lead the team in Presason..beat out kids and vets...Then went 40 games without a goal before being dropped....Other invites from the dark years that come to mind were ANDREAS JOHNASSEN who came out of nowhere and won a job and had a good year too..Probably others

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:44 pm EST

I was trying to remember some of the camp surprises over the years, guys when came from obscurity and won spots over the glamour boy of the moment. I know there have been a few last decade or so, but unfortunately my mind is just about gone. Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:28 pm EST

Stemp was actually a PKer and his corsi % has already been noted here. He's not my pick to be on the fourth, but barring a trade, AV is going to need offense with speed in a big body on the top lines and thats Miller. Good replacement for Pouliot. But lets see what happens with Brassard because if he goes all the lines are being re-drawn

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:21 pm EST

RABID - Sounds like your hearing what you want to hear regarding LINDBERG vs MILLER and Fast.???...Just busting your chops.....we'll see in camp..The Rangers are gonna need all these player over the year so, hopefully, we are all a little right..

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:15 pm EST

I agree I don't see Lombardi or Stemp or the 4th unit, but it could turn out that way for at least one, which means you've got a pretty deep hockey club. And while Lombardi doesn't have the physicality of a Dorsett, Stemp does, and BOTH guys would be HUGE offensive upgrades over the goose eggs DD notched. That'd be the AV recasting in his likeness in action. On the kids, the thing I look at is what they're saying, and these are two very understated men I'm AV & Cord Clark. I posted Clark's remarks on Lindberg earlier, but AV said more than once end of the year, we have young guys coming , we have to keep adding yoing guys. I don't think he's talking about Miller, though could be. And I can't for the life of me see what he likes about Fast other than he seems a conscientious player in his own zone. But offensively, and I did see some pizzazz from him at Traverse, but zilch at Hartford and even less in his cameos in NY. Who knows? These kids can surprise you, come up wit things you didn't know they had in their bag of tricks.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:38 pm EST

TDCHI - I just don't see Stempniak or Lombardi as 4th liners, which would leave Fast and Miller fighting for the 4th line postion next to Moore and Glass...And I really think Glass-Moore-Miller could be a real good 4th line to start the season..Then go from there and wherever injuries bring you..

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:30 pm EST

Hospo - I do think MILLER will end up with a spot, just because of the readiness he displayed in the POs and the utter dearth of physical players on the team. I'm just not convinced it'll be an assignment over fourth line. We shall see. I think the opportunity will certainly be there for he and FAST to make the team if they have a great camp...then again, that's an op I think any kid in Hartford could seize...those are the only two, though, that strike me as NHL-ready right now...lord knows what'll happen over the summer.

tdchi


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:22 pm EST

AV is going to decide to play Miller as a wing on the top three lines

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:17 pm EST

TDCHI - I actually agree with all of that on LINDBERG..But, to take it further,.I really don't see any of Miller, Fast, or Lindberg having an opening night spot except for an open 4th line spot or if there is an injury (not out of the question)...But, you are right, if they destroy in camp, while the new vets falter (I don't see that happening) then they should be in the lineup (2nd or 3rd line) by merit...Bottom line, both the kids and vets will get their chances this year and AV, not us fans, will decide who fits the team best (not us f

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:01 pm EST

sorry, I mean, top-six wings, not top-six forwards

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 5:59 pm EST

Miller will be a top-six wing on opening night.

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 5:53 pm EST

On LINDBERG - Here's the deal: The kid flies under the radar for the most part. He does everything good, but nothing spectacular. He had a very good first year in Hartford and, were I to make a guess, will return there and light the place up next season. In particular, he seemed to have real good chemistry with FAST especially the last time I saw the Pack play, which was at the end of the season. He didn't strike me as particularly fast(no pun intended) or physical. But he has a nose for the net and good playmaking ability...that said, if you're hoping to have him center a line for 15-17 minutes a night in the NHL --which is what AV needs out of his third line --you're pretty much throwing him in the deep end of the pool with weights on his ankles. Could he succeed? Certainly. But the probability of that happening at his stage in development isn't exactly high... Better for the Rangers to bring in a guy like LOMBARDI into the mix, set up the season with him and MOORE --two guys who are known commodities in the NHL --to fill the bottom-two center roles than to hope and pray a kid like Lindberg(or MILLER for that matter) can acclimate quickly to the fastest hockey league on the planet...the points I saw Lindberg score in the AHL were hard-fought. He worked for them...I'm not sure, however, how many of them would have happened at the NHL level...I don't have a doubt he'll be there one day...but giving him the reins of third line without having a backup plan is a big mistake...now if he comes into camp, wows everyone like STEPAN did a few years back and makes the team, it's an easy enough move to swap LOMBARDI to fourth-line wing and/or demote him to the AHL; or alternatively, demote Miller. But I would be surprised if that becomes the case. This isn't Muckler's Rangers. I couldn't say there's a vet on the roster that would hold a kid back from a spot he's earned with the team.

tdchi


Wed Jul 23 2014 4:57 pm EST

Again, the here & now meaning what exactly? I think in the context of the season & playoffs, because this year I don't care what they gotta do, bring me that frickin Cup. But I'd love to avoid that interminable wait of having vets and giving them their 20-25 to prove that yes, they really do suck. Remember how long the Pyatts & Lowe's and Ashams lingered. And all the while the team suffers, and the guy next in line suffers. But camp will tell the tale. Not much more than a month from Traverse so right back at it, what a nice change from the dark years missing the playoffs.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 3:52 pm EST

RABID - All that maters is the here and now. If he's not good enough to beat Step, Brass, Lombardi (or MIller if they switch), and Moore (the 4 I think will be the Rangers centers) for a center position at the beginning, he shouldn't play for the Rangers until one of them gets hurt or falls on their face..And believe me, at least one of those things are going to happen and if Lindberg does his job in the AHL like he did last year, he will get his chance to play, learn, whatever this year...Same for Fast and MIller....And then it will be up to to the coach to decide who keeps on playing.. ..AV won't ditch him if he thinks he's one of the 4 best centers...There really is nothing to worry about with any of the kids...and hopefully MERIT rules everything,,

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 3:50 pm EST

right now barring trade or injury theres no room for Lindberg or Fast.

Messier11


Wed Jul 23 2014 3:23 pm EST

RR: Sure hope you're right about Lindberg (that's he ready), especially you're also right that the Rangers are counting on him to be their third line center this year. Given Sather's apparent cup aspirations, that's quite a gutsy and of course, risky call. Essentially it would mean he's NHL ready, which in turn, means he. won't get yo-yo'ed thru the lineup for periods of time, maybe sit in the pressbox for a game or 2, or even get sent back down for a stretch, like most young players experience as rookies. Fabulous if you're right - not so much if not, in my opinion.

RF4L


Wed Jul 23 2014 3:12 pm EST

Think you raise a great if inadvertent point Hospo. Im with ya. The best & most consistent....BY WHEN? Start of the season? Start of playoffs? What if the best way to get a Lindberg primed for playoffs is having him with the team all year? But what is say, Lee Stemp has a small edge in camp? You can hinder a kid just as bad sending him back to an inferior level. Could end up Richards in reverse. Knew hed fade & wed be stuck. Maybe this year a kid blossoms there.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 2:51 pm EST

RABID - You can riff all you want about your self perceived misconceptions, but it ain't gonna change anything...Personally, I don't care about Lindberg's learning right now, he will learn either in the AHL or the NHL when he gets the chance,..To me, it's all about playng the best and most consistent player. th player that can help the NY Rangers the most...Yeah, I don't think he' ready to play consistent 3rd line NHL hockey BUT If he can beat out Lombardi for a 3rd C, by all means, let him play...If Lombardi is better for the Rangers, then Lindberg can play wherever the hell the Rangers send him until his chance comes, and it will..

Hospo


Wed Jul 23 2014 2:37 pm EST

The Mind Boggles; Pat Kane signs this huge deal, helps max Chicago's cap, then goes and plays in a Men's league somewhere in Buffalo? He must have gone mad. What happens if he got totaled (not like, out of the question being such a big mark; it only takes one idiot)? Think he'll be hearing about that one. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/patrick-kane-shows-up-to-buffalo-men-s-league-game--destroys-everyone-173919206.html

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 2:32 pm EST

Any chance that someone with skill on the smallish size (e.g. Kristo or Bourque) could be traded to a team with too much size needing (smaller) skill?

Ranger47


Wed Jul 23 2014 2:30 pm EST

Allow me to riff on something here, because I've seen it all over the internet, not just here. It's one of the biggest misconceptions Ive ever seen. Im talking specifically about Oscar Lindberg, but it could be anybody. What do you think happens if you throw in a kid who's a tiny bit green against higher competition? You think he breaks? Think he's ruined for life? Goes running back to his Mommy? Because he played 15 minutes against the Phoenix Coyotes in November? Gimme a break. When I was 13 I was playing against men, cops, sanitation guys, whatever, 27-35 yr olds. It ALWAYS made me better. Made me move my ass too LOL. Lindberg played a full year against men in the Czech league. He ended up playoff MVP. He is NOT small. the kid is 6-1/190 and moves extremely well. Take a look at him in this pic. Does he look frail, or like a young buck? Please; this kid took half a year to adjust to playing against more men in the AHL on the shorter 200x80 stuff. By January he was on a PPG clip. he will be fine. he needs to win the spot on his own merits of course. But the idea kids have to master anything in Hartford for 3 years is ridiculous. They need to LEARN. Only way to do that is by being CHALLENGED. Rangers didn't let Richards walk and not pursue another top center by accident (sure they brought in some backup incase, no prob there). They know what they have. Gord Clark says this kid is, "the best two-way center we've produced in a long time." He's ready to compete for a spot at least. And not bash Richards, but the difference in this team, without that lull every third shift (and hopefully an improved PP) is going to be night & day. http://norran.se/sport/oscar-lindberg-ska-ta-chansen-232883

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 2:14 pm EST

td: anything under 950K this season comes off the books completely. If a cap hit is over 950K (for one way contracts of course) the first 950K does not count against the cap.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:47 pm EST

NYR are going to have a chance to choose their cap destiny, to an stent. Think only 3-4 forwards signed past next year. MSL is $4+, he won't be here. The next big bucks group up for the decider (esther) is among Staal, Girardi, Nash, Klein, and if they opt to make any change between Step-Brass. And its not just the cap driving salaries, its the floor. Teams must meet that just like the ceiling, and they give out stupid $ in order to do so. Gionta was this years poster boy, think he got 4.5 X 3 from Buffalo, who had all that cash saved for Cally, and nowhere to spend it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:46 pm EST

archie5 - Here's how you have to look at the organization's confidence in Hartford: There's one, maybe two guys down there(MILLER and FAST) who could be on the opening day roster.. The rest? All longshots, IMO...KRISTO and the BOURQUES..perhaps...But all three are small and would be going into a lineup already lacking size...On D, Conner ALLEN is about as close as they come...but he's a lefty behind John MOORE...The rest? Not ready. There was some talk about LINDBERG jumping into third-line center...something that would fit him I suppose, since he's a talented and versatile player...but he's got one year in North America under his belt and do you really want to pin your hopes on that? I think the Rangers philosophy right now is that it's better to let these guys develop over a couple seasons and really gain a mastery over the AHL rather than thrust them into a full-time position where they might not fit...one thing I will point to is that most of these guys that were signed over the past 23 days are taking one-year contracts that can be swapped into the AHL with little difficulty...the only two guys I don't expect to see there are STEMPNIAK and LOMBARDI...and only the latter is signed past this season. I wouldn't take it as a knock on the talent down there...rather an surge protector to make sure that it's rushed along.

tdchi


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:36 pm EST

Wildcard - I'm pretty sure MUELLER is on a one-way contract. I'm pretty sure he'll end up in Hartford, but that also means whatever his NHL cap hit is will remain on the books.

tdchi


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:27 pm EST

...add to that, what cup contender isn't up against the cap every year? I don't know of any that have all that much space

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:26 pm EST

47: Unless more players are like McD. He could have commanded at least 5.5 per, but took 4.7 per. Brooks LOVES his high numbers and sees Staal at 5.5, perhaps he takes the exact same deal as McD...leaves a little more space. Everyone seems to think Zucc is going to run away from the Rangers if they don't give him 5.5-6 mil per, well maybe he takes 4.5-5 per long term to help keep the team together, and to stay in NYC. Same goes for Kreider on his next deal, and Brass may take less than is rumored to have a chance at the cup in NY. Everyone has this way of only seeing the highest contract values, the worst attitudes towards the team, and really how many players have left the Rangers due to money first? Add to that how many have taken less to play in NY who were UFAs? Until we see what happens its hard to say there will be issues.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:19 pm EST

Wild: You know what, whatever the cap upper limit becomes some owners will overpay (at a higher percentage than now) causing a ripple effect to the other teams. So, I think this year-in year-out problem of getting the Rangers barely under the cap will continue. JMHO.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 23 2014 1:13 pm EST

mf: SOmeplace I read, one of the TSN guys I think, an article about the cap situation for next year. With the average growth in revenue seen over the last 8 years. Along with the 5% kicker the NHLPA can use, the cap will go up by 4-5 million next year. AFTER that the new Canadian TV deal revenue is added making it a 6-7 million cap increase. If revenues are better than it could easily be 6, 7 or 8 million higher. and in two years many people see the cap being close to or over 80 million and someone said it 5 years if everything keeps going the same as the last 5 years it will be over 90 million.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:51 pm EST

With that great sacrifice comes, uprooting your family, changing your lifestlye, the possibility of lesser endorsements, a club that "may" not cater to their athletes like MSG does..... Everyone on this Wall should have to make such sacrifices.. The stress of these sacrifices killing me.... :-)

mf


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:48 pm EST

pete: unless the Cap increases by like $6mill next season, we can expect more of the same.... Staal, Stepan, Hagelin, Cam Talbot, all need to be signed... In addition, MSL is an UFA....

mf


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:46 pm EST

pete: you have to remember, he most likely "sacrificed" 1-1.5 mil per to stay with the Rangers rather than hit the open market. It was all over, the "experts" and some GMs and assistant GMs who couldn't be named due to tampering type rules said they could see him getting near max, and many said 10-10.5 per long term. SO 8.5 is a significant drop from that.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:44 pm EST

I wonder if The King would have agreed to take less money if he waited until this summer to make a deal after seeing this team get so close to the cup. I know most athletes are greedy but I have to think he would be willing to sacrifice a little $$ to help achieve the ultimate goal. We all saw how badly he wants to win during the finals, it would have been a good opportunity to prove it.

pete


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:41 pm EST

Rabid: For a goalie numbers are what matter, and they are at the same level, or above the level of his career average. He is just as good, and in some ways better. I don't give a rats what other goalies have done. If Roy didn't demand a trade from the Habs he would have won another there most likely. Also, goalies leave due to teams not being good, and they go to a team that is built. The Rangers just made the SCF, and there is a good chance they make it again at least once in the next 2-3 seasons. If hank is in net what will be the excuse to call his contract bad then? IN 3 years his deal will not seem as bad, the cap will be near 80 mil or more, and a few goalies will be at 8-9 mil per and there may not be a single one as good as hank. As for this next season, he is one of the best goalies in the world, and they are going to have a good team under the cap, and they will compete for a chance at the cup once again.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:37 pm EST

mf: He probably won't be playing in 6-7 years. When he retires the cap hit goes away. I bet, unless he is still at a top level, he plays until 35-36.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:33 pm EST

Haha RF

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:31 pm EST

I know WILD, agree with all you just said. Guess what irks me most is they gave elite $ and IMO hes not as good as he once was. They had little choice. Still. No goalie has EVER led his drafted team to Cup past age 27-28. Hanks 31-32 now, were still starved for offense. $ might have been better spent, but theyd never. Hank as face of franchise is important to them. That said, he cant handle the puck & puts too much pressure on our D.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:28 pm EST

Esther SUCKS!

RF4L


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:18 pm EST

Wild: With all due respect, BULL! He's 32 and signed for 7 or eight more seasons, & Sather has his hand in this too... I hope Henriks body & reflexes don't age / slow down over the duration of his contract... MCD could have held out for more, same as Zucc, eigth million per, and the perks that can be obtained by the exposure in NY City (read: endorsements, Wonder what Advil pays him? ) along with the machine that is Cablevision.... $8mill was plenty, and if that $500k coulda-woulda been the difference in a CUP, or G-d willing an additional CUP, ...... No way we can prove that though.....

mf


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:13 pm EST

Rabid: The only way the guy let go could have been signed would be if hank was playing for like 4-5 mil per. And thats crazy to think he would play for that, or that anyone would ask him to. He is a PRIME reason this team has hang success. Look at all the other teams with big money spent elsewhere, and not in net, and you see teams that fail over and over and over, they just do it with big jersey sales for forwards and D. There is always a top player on a team, for the Rangers it happens to be the guy in net. Pouliot is WAY overpaid at 4 mil, Strals wanted a full NMC for as long as possible due to family reasons, turned down more money from at least 1 team to get with the TBL. Boyle wanted more responsibility, sounds like he turned down much more from like 3 teams, and the Rangers were not going to give him what he wanted on the ice. 2 of the 3 guys that left had less to do with money than other stuff, and the 3rd was wildly overpaid (IMHO) so don't pretend that somehow this is the fault of one players contract.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 12:00 pm EST

haha MF. I am pissed at Hank, remembering how he was such a wreck over his contract. The guy was already loaded!!!! Look at our cap now, the guys we let go, the guys we couldnt sign. Look what Zuccy did for us.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:59 am EST

mf: but that was countered by getting McD long term for 4.7 per...so if everything wasps it "should" be Hank gets 8 , or 7.5 and McD gets 6...and you are no better off. Cant look at things in a void. Hank is only 1 contract, and they don't have to nickel and dime anyone. J.Moore is due about 1-1.25 mil, maybe 1.5, but there is room for that AND Zucc and another depth player. Nothing is happening badly due to hank making an extra 500K

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:57 am EST

Rabbit, you took the carrot.. :>)

mf


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:56 am EST

and I HATE Hank's deal.3-4 yrs and about $25M more than necessary. Am on another board doing battle with the Lundqvist fan club as we speak!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:55 am EST

ESTER. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:53 am EST

$8mill per wasn't enough for Lundqvist? Nope, had to be $8.5mill per... Now Esther is going to nickle & dime a guy like J.Moore over $50k-$150k per season.... Takes money to build a team around the goalie..... F-U Lundqvist !

mf


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:52 am EST

WILD, dont let it get to ya! We talked about it, remember? He gets it direct from the agents, start high as can be, you know the game. Sure, Brooksie comes off as a total ----, makes us think things are harder than they are. All part of the game..... meanwhile, we actually did lock up McD, Zuc and Kreider for around $10M total. Best trifiecta in the NHL!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:46 am EST

Again those numbers on Brass come from Brooks who was telling the world Hank would be had long term for no less than 9.5 and probably more like 9.75. He always reports the numbers that will get the worst reactions, and the issues that will get the worst reactions. Like yesterday basically writing off any chance of the Rangers and Kreider avoiding arbitration...like he KNEW it was a done deal they were going. The guy makes his living off getting people all riled up.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:33 am EST

O'Reilly (23 y/o, has played 5 seasons) came into the league as an 18 y/o, Stepan (24, has played 4 seasons) came into the league as a 20 y/o..... Looks like Stepan has never missed a regular season game, impressive...

mf


Wed Jul 23 2014 11:24 am EST

Hmmm, a little too rich for my blood..... The Rangers are trying to negotiate a long-term deal with Derick Brassard to avoid his arbitration hearing on Monday. If the two sides are able to come to terms on a long-term deal, the cap hit will be between $5 million and $5,5 million. (NY Post) If the two sides do go to arbitration or avoid it by signing a one-year deal, similar to Mats Zuccarello, the cap charge would likely be around $4.5 million for this season but he would be eligible for unrestricted free agency next summer. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:55 am EST

why thank you Archie.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:29 am EST

RR....well done....

archie5


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:26 am EST

If Mats is as good in the locker room as he is on the ice I'd like to see an A on his Jersey come September........Brooks has a point.....Signing all these stocking stuffers...Lombardi etc. makes one wonder about the confidence the brain trust has in the Hartford Wannebees.....Carr....I agree...

archie5


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:26 am EST

Sure Gene I'll try. My new tablet gets me nuts.if you don't check the post real careful it just inputs words for you! Keeps calling Sather Ester LOL. Computer things like that are why cars that park themselves and will soon drive themselves scare the he(ck) out of me!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 23 2014 10:09 am EST

RHET: LOL...seems mine has always been broken! You have to wonder as well. If a guy like Penner was still out there, with no decent offers from good teams, would he take less than 1 mil on a 1 year deal? I mean if Sather could get him as 950K (no cap hit if sent down) for 1 year, that would be a major low risk high reward move. Worst case he rides the blueseats or the bus in Hartford....best case he has 20 goal 20 assist season front he 3rd line and helps the PP. Would replace some of that size that was lost with Boyle...again, thats a bunch of big IF's but thats what this time of year is all about...am I right?

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 9:40 am EST

WILD.... It all depends on if he's still in the Rangers plans. I haven't read anything that lets us know one way or the other. Also, my secret decoder ring is busted :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 9:38 am EST

Larry Brooks..... O'Reilly 73-118=191 in 345 games, $6M per. Stepan 73-124=197 in 294 games. When he comes up for arb next year, $6M is his comparable.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 9:29 am EST

Rhet: (My second time typing this, don't know what happened to the first one) Carcillo made only 825K last season. He will WANT a RAISE but may get a CUT, its not like teams are pounding down his door to sign him. With Muller being sent down being likely, that frees up 600K in cap hit, Carcillo could be signed for a net loss of cap space from now at less than 400K. After the other 2 signings and demotions, there will be some space left still...maybe near a million (more likely 500-600K) but that will expand as the season goes on until at the deadline they could add a guy with a 2 mil cap hit. It really isn't looking all THAT bad right now.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 9:06 am EST

Per Tim Wharnsby .... Avalanche settle with Ryan O'Reilly, 2 yrs, $6M average.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:48 am EST

I should say they were hoping Kreider would fold first... WILD... I'm wondering if they're trying to cobble together enough money together for Carcillo. Pipe dream :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:39 am EST

The Rangers made the offer at the arbitration hearing. I'm guessing they were hoping Kreider would blink..... Per Larry Brooks... Kreider, Rangers avoid arbitration by agreeing to two-year deal worth $2.475M AAV. Great reporting Larry.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:36 am EST

My bad, two RFAs, forgot about J Moore. But they have time with him since he is not ARB eligible. SO about 6 mil left to sign Zucc and J. Moore. SHOULD leave a little space to add another player, a depth player of some sort.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:31 am EST

But wait...Brooks said they wouldn't be able to come to a deal! How could he be so wrong? wait...oh yeah...its Brooks, mr doom and gloom. So just 1 RFA remaining. I imagine while they have worked on each RFA the have focused harder on the them based on the order of their hearings. So now they can focus on Brass. Wonder how long before we hear some stuff leaking out.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:24 am EST

NYR Kreider settled 2 yrs @ $2.35 M and $2.60 M.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:20 am EST

JFC.... The cap hit would be the average of the two years, unless he signed a different 1-year deal for each year.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:18 am EST

Andrew Gross.... Chris Kreider arbitration hearing said to be proceeding as scheduled this morning in Toronto.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:09 am EST

Or does that kind of structuring have no impact on the cap hit?

JFC31


Wed Jul 23 2014 8:08 am EST

One of the big deals for Sather & the Rangers is the fact that they need every penny for THIS season in order to construct the best possible team. Zucc has shown a willingness to help out, yet Kreider (basically a rookie) is playing hardball. If this year is so tight, why don't they compromise by making this year LOWER and next year higher....in other words, if Kreider sacrifices this year, the Rangers will give him more next year....and more means more than they would normally have given him....ending up to HIS advantage in the long run.

JFC31


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:34 am EST

I should rephrase that, the arbitrator will have up to 48 hours from this morning's hearing to make a decision.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:24 am EST

What I don't understand about the Kreider negotiations is that the midpoint of the difference between the two offers would be $2.4 million, Which is probably what he will be awarded today. Except that the Rangers will trash him a bit during the hearing and that always ends well for both sides.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:11 am EST

Less than an hour away for Chris Kreider's arbitration hearing, I was hoping we'd have news of a contract by now. Get it done Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 23 2014 7:08 am EST

Meh - I read more than post, but I certainly don't mind a well phrased cuss every now and then. Pointless in fighting or other such nonsense is much, MUCH more annoying. I hope I didn't jinx anything - some good hockey discussion going on.

limbo


Wed Jul 23 2014 6:46 am EST

Rabid: I consider this a general conversation with all the wallsters. Some speak up more than others, some just listen for long periods before they say anything. With that in mind I may suggest that your language could be less vulgar and more respectful of your wider audience. Thanks.

gene_carr


Tue Jul 22 2014 9:48 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/07/22/new-york-rangers-give-back-mats-zuccarello/

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 9:28 pm EST

Sather. Fuckin tablet. Don't know why it does that.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 22 2014 9:27 pm EST

If John Moore held out Esther would have him on another team before the leaves turn. Unless his agent is a complete fool, they know he's low man on totem pole, take what they're offered and keep quiet. Moore's an interesting guy coming into this year, he gained so much experience. Same goes for the team as a whole. They reached a level they never had before, and I don't mean a playoff round level, I mean a level of quality, sharpness, preparedness. i expect theyll need some time to jell and get rolling, but if they start out anywhere near the pace they were at, try should be right near the top of the standings. One thing that's great about speed, it works against any style.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 22 2014 9:11 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/07/22/rangers-kreider-refusing-to-blink-as-arbitration-nears/

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 8:25 pm EST

WOW, according to Brooks the Rangers may be playing hardball with John Moore. Moore’s contract is expected to pay him close to his qualifying offer of $850,500. (NY Post) Brooks originally speculated that Moore would get a two-year deal worth $1.1 million for the 23-year old defenseman. (NY Post). I wouldn't be surprised to see Moore hold out since he has no arbitration rights this season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 7:26 pm EST

heart not hear

Hospo


Tue Jul 22 2014 7:26 pm EST

Good stuff by ZUCC.Man, that Nowegian pip squeak has wormed his way into my NYR hear with his plays and deeds..Talk about doing the org a favor!!...Hopefully, for his reward, the Rangers promised him the big and generous payday via the in-season extentsion for next year

Hospo


Tue Jul 22 2014 7:16 pm EST

Great news that Zucc agreed to that contract....Sather now has more important cap space because of it. All I know is that the Rangers had better act in an honorable manner with this guy...they better not cause him to or let him fly the coup. He should be signed long term ASAP. I have to think that with Zucc's earlier statements about security being more important than maxing out salary, that the Rangers have made it clear that they will return the favor he just did for them.

JFC31


Tue Jul 22 2014 6:48 pm EST

Rhet, thank you

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 6:36 pm EST

MF... That would be the case if they did do that, but Sather has made it a big deal the last couple of years that the 7th and 8th defensemen stay and workout with the team. That way when an injury occurs these guys are ready to go and are used to the system. I have to say that it seemed to work decently last season. That's not to say that if the Rangers needed to move some money around to make a deal or roster move during the season, they wouldn't send down one of the two of them.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 6:20 pm EST

Holy Sh#t!!!! Great news about ZUCCARELLO!!!! He just did the entire Organ"I"zation, and more importantly (lol) the Fan-base a major solid!! Cheers you little Hobbit looking B#stard!!! LMAO!!! Love this guy!!! Put an "A" on his Sweater!! :-)

hipcheck


Tue Jul 22 2014 6:00 pm EST

Rhet: I thought that if Kostka & Hunwick are sent down, their $1,250,000 comes off the cap, and it just counts to the amount of players allowed under contract.....

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:53 pm EST

Also, the Rangers need to have a bank of $700 K to $1Mil to make moves during the year.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:51 pm EST

MF...The Rangers carried 8 defensemen last year, I expect them to do the same this season. Especially since Sather has made a deal of it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:45 pm EST

Stated differently, the Rangers have $9,763,333 ...... This includes Mueller, Kostka, Hunwick sent down, & JTMiller brought up.... Left to sign: KK, Brassard, JMoore.......

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:42 pm EST

http://capgeek.com/rangers/ ........$3.5 million reflected on CapGeek... Zuccarello is a UFA at the end of this season.... Hope they do right by him... FYI, he turns 27 Sept. 1st

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:37 pm EST

With the Rangers coming to terms on a one-year deal with Mats Zuccarello for $3.5 million, the team has $8,807,500 in cap space. (Cap Geek) The $8.8 million includes Chris Mueller ($600,000), Matt Hunwick ($600,000) Michael Kostka ($650,000), Jesper Fast ($805,000) but not JT Miller ($894,167). The Rangers have 20 players on their roster, per Cap Geek and still need to sign Derick Brassard, Chris Kreider and John Moore. Kreider’s arbitration hearing is tomorrow and Brassard is next Tuesday. The Rangers can go 10% over the salary cap during the summer but Jeff Gorton didn’t think they would do that.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:34 pm EST

Zuccarello says that one year was the best thing for both sides right now. He said that he is glad he isn’t going to arbitration. (Nettavisen)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:28 pm EST

TD... I think clearly he is worth $5 Mil or more but arbitrators usually give awards at the midpoint of both offers. It's also a bit of a gamble for the Rangers as Zucc will be an UFA next season, though I'm pretty confident he wont be going any where and they may even already have a hand shake deal in place for the extension.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:23 pm EST

nyr, hockey, sports, needs more guys like bazookerella......

stevielegs


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:15 pm EST

WOW. $3.5 million? For Zucc?!? Man...Ranger fans better be kissing this little fella's ass, because this is the second low-ball contract he's taken to help the Rangers build a winner. He could have easily gotten $5 million at arbitration. Probably more. I don't care if its a bridge deal. That's highway robbery. Welcome back Mats, you are a true team player.

tdchi


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:11 pm EST

Zuc took one for the team to help out the tight cap situation. He is a man of his word.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:10 pm EST

he deal is for ONE-YEAR and the two sides will continue to work out a long-term extension. An extension can’t be signed until after January 1, 2015. (Larry Brooks)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:08 pm EST

The Rangers and Mats Zuccarello will avoid arbitration by coming to terms on a deal worth $3.5 million per season. (Darren Dreger) Zuccarello was scheduled for an arbitration hearing on Friday.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 5:07 pm EST

Initial reports that the Rangers were offering Kreider around $2.4 mil per season appear to be wrong. According to Brooks, the team's best offer to hims seems to be $2.05 mil per(and Kreider is sticking at $2.8). I'm thinking their nickeling and diming Kreider to make up for what they'll have to pay Zucc and Brassard. Mid point between the two offers would be about $2.4 which Kreider would be sure to get from an arbitrator. IMO, The Rangers will cave or at least mostly cave($2.3 mil). We certainly do not want this going to arbitration.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 22 2014 4:28 pm EST

Hospo: Stop looking at the glass as half full....This means we get a better chance to see how porous the Flyers D is and perhaps see Cindy get a season-ending injury. :)

Ranger47


Tue Jul 22 2014 4:02 pm EST

I know most people have there local cable or Center Ice package on net streaming but still interesting to see NBC's schedule for this coming year (released today)--Here are some of the appearance numbers: New York Rangers: 14 Philadelphia Flyers: 16 Pittsburgh Penguins: 19 Washington Capitals: 13 CHICAGO - 20 BOSTON 17...DETROIT 15 SHARKS/KINGS 13 and, get this , BUFFALO 11......The ramming down the throats of Crosby/Pens and the Flyers still bugs me..

Hospo


Tue Jul 22 2014 3:47 pm EST

TD: I agree with everything you say, but the fact is that as long as SOME of the owners are creating the problem, the fact becomes that if you want to win a Stanley Cup you either need to tank and build a Cup team on superstar draft picks (or get lucky/good using the picks you have) or you need to do the best you can with the players you have drafted and, while holding down their salaries, augment them with some selective trades or UFA signings of key players to long-term overinflated contracts. Since the Rangers CANNOT get to the Cup using the first approach, they are left with the latter approach (Nash, MSL, etc) with its related risks. JMHO..

Ranger47


Tue Jul 22 2014 3:33 pm EST

Booth to Leafs if not mentioned.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 22 2014 3:22 pm EST

Brooksie tweet: "No agreement in sight, Kreider and #NYR appear headed to arbitration hearing in Toronto tomorrow morning."

jratelle19


Tue Jul 22 2014 3:12 pm EST

Guys, that's some wishful thinking, re: players and their large-cap salaries...but you've got to look at it this way: There's nothing saying these GMs need to sign players for a decade...and there's certainly nothing to say GMs need to trade for a player signed for almost a decade...This is a self-created hardship by teams...ones that smart teams aren't making...and ones the Rangers seem to make with relative frequency(Lindros, Drury, Richards and now, according to some, Nash)...my views on NASH and his so-called diminished play are well documented here, so I'll step by my opinion there and take the dangerous position for a split second that he actually DOES play different because of injury...well...if anyone watched Nash play before he was a Ranger...I'd say the guy is a concussion waiting to happen...driving up the middle of the ice like he does(and still does, incidentally)...He is and was a buyer-beware player. No one here can tell me the Rangers were ignorant to the risks they took with him or a guy like RICHARDS. They have a whole medical team that pulls apart records...they have scouts who watch these guys' playing style...and they should get some sort of reprieve when they make a dreadfully bad decision(like trading four young players for Nash)? That's like someone buying a sports car at premium, driving it hard on the freeway for several months and then complaining they got ripped off when the undercarriage gets torn up on a pothole.

tdchi


Tue Jul 22 2014 2:31 pm EST

Totally agree with you Hospo but I don't think that the union (or the players) would agree to this since the unions primary objective is to ensure that the players are able to get as much as they can. Bob

boblink


Tue Jul 22 2014 2:08 pm EST

Ranger47 - Bottom line is the NHL needs to do what the NFL does...Do not make the yearly contracts guaranteed (as opposed to the bonuses)..,If the player performs poorly or has deteriorated for whatever reason, you drop him.....It would minimize the damage done by cases like this, lead to much less contract year performance as well as floating on long guaranteed contracts....Players would always be playing for their job

Hospo


Tue Jul 22 2014 1:54 pm EST

Helluva point, R47. It's not fair. Think we all realize there's no clear solution either, unless teams somehow get one challenge in front of an arbitrator or something to void the contract. Thing is, these baseline tests don't show a player in compromised form. He's either functioning at or below the level he was when previously tested. Yet its right in that gray area where most guys recover and end up, and their performance suffers.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 22 2014 12:42 pm EST

R47: Performance level due to post injury seems impossible to measure with certainty... Plenty of guys have a good year and sign an inflated contract. L take a look at Pouliot, lets say he gets injured, comes back, and he's half the player that he was with The Rangers... Is it because of new surroundings, new line-mates, new coaches, the injury, or a combination of all the aforementioned? Besides that, I in no way want Philthy to have any relief with the Pronger contract..... :-)

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 12:38 pm EST

TD: Stepan & Stempniak (RHS) may be the biggest beneficiaries of our PP this year.... Hockey G-ds make it happen.... :-)

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 12:28 pm EST

I know that I am dreaming, but I wish there was some way to get cap relief for players who return from LTIR and play at a decreased level of productivity due to adaptions they must make due to those injuries (like Nash pro-concussion). It's not fair to anyone in a cap world to have to honor pre-injury contracts for players whose production falls off merely due to those injuries. Neither the players (who merely want to play and make a living in spite of their injuries), fans (who begrudge the now "overpaid" player). nor the owners (who have to deal with the cap in an unfair manner). I know there is no easy answer, but when this happens in business outside the NHL the businesses generally (if they are large) HAVE to keep that employee (as long as they are meeting minimal standards of work) but can add to their pool of employees additional resources to meet their production needs. The cap prevents this from happening. Again, I know that there is no easy solution for cap-relief once a player comes back from injury and sub-performs, but perhaps someone smarter than me can come up with with some formula or arbitration for teams to get cap relief in these instances....

Ranger47


Tue Jul 22 2014 12:18 pm EST

TD: Stepan & Stempniak (RHS) may be the biggest beneficiaries of our PP this year.... Hockey G-ds make it happen.... :-)

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 12:14 pm EST

During this offseason while monitoring the free agent signings around the league and then finally here with the Rangers, I was wondering & hoping that the League will "really crack down on head-shots and high hits where the guys leave their feet." .... If the League does emphasize this to cut down on head injuries & concussions, I think this line-up gains a huge advantage..... The only way I see this happening is if the media keeps the story about "head injuries / concussions in sports alive & present..... I hope they do....

mf


Tue Jul 22 2014 12:10 pm EST

Wildcard - I think that's quite a gamble, even with the mighty Dan BOYLE coming on board...though it's the sort of gamble the Rangers seem to like to take...See, I look at the Sharks' powerplay, which finished 20th in the league and wonder how much better Boyle will be with another year under his belt, on a new team and one that doesn't have the firepower or size that the Sharks do...Though I do like the thought of having MSL and Zucc on the PP. We'll see I suppose. Not the type of team I would have built coming out of the Stanley Cup finals, but I admit, I'm intrigued by how this all unfolds. I think it'll go one way or another...either be immensely successful or an immense failure...and I hate to say it, but I think a good percentage of the team's future relies on the type of player that emerges in NASH...if he repeats his regular season last year, the Rangers are going to struggle. They need a big-game player to finally break through, not a cluster of goals every three weeks or so player.

tdchi


Tue Jul 22 2014 11:51 am EST

JFC - We're on the same page. That's a big concern here. POULIOT and BOYLE were good at working the boards. I'm not sure who among the new guys makes up for that loss...I will say that's a strong point in MILLER'S game if he makes the team...my other big concern is that the NHL regular season is like night and day with the playoffs when it comes to clutching and grabbing...Seems like it's generally tolerated in the post season, where as it's an automatic penalty during the regular season. Obstruction is the death of fast-paced hockey...and, IMO, the Rangers as they're currently laid out.

tdchi


Tue Jul 22 2014 10:35 am EST

td: I also think the Rangers are betting on an improved PP. I would think that a team playing the Rangers if they have a top 5-7 PP would not be so willing to risk sitting in the box, that could force opponents to play a more skill game, and that will favor the Rangers speed. If they try to play a hard nosed rough game they will sit in the box like the Flyers did in the playoffs, and if the PP was good in those games the Rangers don't play so many games. A TON is riding on that PP being good.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 22 2014 10:31 am EST

TD -- I like the idea of a fast, high pressure, puck possession team....and I think toughness, in terms of fighting, is becoming less and less of a factor in today's NHL. Toughness, in terms of ability to work the boards, is a big concern, however. Last year, the Rangers were a pleasant surprise to me in their ability to win board battles. Poo, in particular, surprised me with his board abilities. If the current Rangers team has added more to their speed game at the sacrifice of the ability to work the boards and cycle, that will be robbing Peter to pay Paul. The Rangers were very successful last year in gaining possession of the puck along the boards in the O zone, cycling, and looking for an opening back Dior, deep slot, point, etc. if their ability to gain and maintain possession is reduced due to lack of size/toughness, we lose a lot of what made us successful. I hope that is not the case.

JFC31


Tue Jul 22 2014 9:37 am EST

mf - I think unless there IS a HAYES sweepstakes, I think the Rangers have their team going into the season at the very least. Maybe even up to the trade deadline...unlike previous seasons, everything on the team and in the organization seems to be pointing to a specific model of hockey that seems tailored to the type of strategy AV deployed in the playoffs...namely a four-line team that is going to beat just about anyone in the NHL with speed...honestly, I can't think of a team with more burners than the Rangers...Seems he's replaced guys like BOYLE and DORSETT with STEMPNIAK and LOMBARDI...dials down the toughness, but really ups the speed...Another couple of dark horses to make the team are the BOURQUE Brothers..fast, shifty and hard working....and no matter which way you cut it, the Rangers are going to have a pretty lethal top-two lines on paper...I think the theory here is that the team won't have to worry about toughness if they're game is so up-tempo that the opposition can't pin them down...not sure if I believe something like that will work...I guess Montreal had some good success with that model last season...even the situation with right-handed shots is kind of addressed in some of the moves Sather has made over the past four months...mentioned this a little while ago, but FAST, Chris McCARTHY and Ryan HAGGERTY are all righties...Stempniak is also a righty....On defense, they signed two guys who could readily serve as seventh defender in HUNWICK and KOSTKA...a lefty and a righty....and then there's always ALLEN and McILRATH in Hartford...again, a lefty and a righty...I don't see the Rangers doing much before next year's deadline unless A. Hayes falls into their laps and they need to trade a pick/minor league player for him; B. If an arbiter decides BRASSARD is worth more than $5.5 million and he's priced out of the Rangers' reach; or C. AV's experiment with speed turns out to be a calamitous failure. Maybe they'll resign CARCILLO, but outside of that, I think we're looking at our 2014-2015 Rangers right now...I have to admit after belly-aching over the GLASS signing, taking a grim look at the Lombardi grab and having lukewarm feelings on Stempniak, I am starting to wonder if AV's thinking here might be crazy enough to work...I honestly can't remember a Ranger team with the level of speed these guys have. The question will be what happens when they face a team with size AND speed...

tdchi


Tue Jul 22 2014 9:15 am EST

Rhet0ric - When it comes to Kevin HAYES, I think anyone who isn't him or his agent who says they know where he's going is talking smack...Sure, maybe he wants to join his brother Jimmy with Florida...but big bro is actually unsigned right now and going through arbitration, with a hearing on the 29th...before I'd call Kevin a Panther, I'd wait to see what comes from that hearing...Also, it bears mentioning that they barely have room for Jimmy on the roster...Kevin would likely start riding the bus in the AHL...the Pens/Bruins? Also long shots, IMO...neither has even the small amount of cap space it'd take to sign him...The Pens perhaps...But they still have to get SUTTER and SPALDING under contract with only $6 million to do it...And the Bruins? That's a team in cap hell...$800k over and they STILL have to sign Reilly SMITH and Torey KRUG...Flames, maybe....I don't think the Rangers are a front-runner per se, but they've got every bit a shot as everyone else hovering around the kid...and up until the STEMPNIAK signing, I would have said they could even offer him a spot in the top 9.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:57 pm EST

Great MOVE. fuckin thing.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:56 pm EST

Yeah, don't know if I want Ryan locked up here long term either. Think they're doing about as well as can be expected. Bring back as much of last year's group as they can, try to bring in new guys that fit AVs mold, and I'm sure if there's a great love out they'll try to improve. But by next year, MSL will be gone, maybe Nash, maybe Staal, etc., and our young guys will be real close to their primes. If they disassemble some of these vets smartly, get a great young piece or two, they're in real good shape. Keep saying, gotta forget the big names /reps/salaries and even their (declining, in some cases)production. These older types are our support players. Its our young guys and Hank that need to be great and we'll be alright.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:28 pm EST

Trading NASH doesn't equate to robbing Peter for Paul..... Lets see: Krieder - B.Ryan / Stepan / MSL .... or .... Krieder - B.Ryan / Brassard / Zuccarello ...... Hags / Lombardi / Stempniak (with Stempniak on the RW..... With Ryan signed at say $6.75mill for 6yrs, ... we'd have $1mill to go to Staal, Stepan, Hags, MSL, Talbot for next year.... Sather, make this trade before summer camp starts....... Hey Brooksie, can you get Sathers attention on this? :>) thank you....

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:07 pm EST

Yeah, don't see any mega-moves right now MF. Think Sather has it where he wants it as far as a wait-n-see roster. And I think they evaluate a good 20-25 games and set up possible moves. Then a guy like Ryan, if you could swing the trade, you'd need to get near the deadline where you get some cap allowances, think you get some percentages you don't earlier in the year. Don't remember exactly, but also by that time, maybe you've moved some people off your cap, or they've played their way off. Other thing is you never know who's coming available, who isn't happy with their ice or their coach. So much can happen...

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:05 pm EST

REPORT: O'REILLY SEEKS ONE-YEAR, $6.75M DEAL FROM AVALANCHE..........http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=457639

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:52 pm EST

Sather. Once you click spray there's no turnin' back!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:35 pm EST

Who's Esther? ...... as for Bobby Ryan........ NASH to the Jets, KANE to the Senators, RYAN to the Rangers... Viola, a RH-Shooting LW/RW 27 y/o who just might sign for 6 years at $6-$6.75mill and save you some Cap $pace.......

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:25 pm EST

Kevin Hayes update: He's looking like a long shot for the Rangers even though he and Kreider were teammates.... Possible destinations were .... Calgary because his linemates at BC, Johnny Gaudreau and Bill Arnold, are with the Flames.... Florida because his older brother Jimmy was traded from Chicago to the Panthers.... Boston because he is from the area..... Scouts feel that Hayes could step into the NHL next season and then develop into a top-six forward who has quick feet and a knack for the net. (SI).... His max cap hit, per the CBA, would be $900,000 but he could be eligible for performance bonuses that would take effect on the cap the following season. (SI)..... The Blackhawks could trade Hayes’ negotiating rights or if he becomes a free agent, they would get the 54th pick in the 2015 draft. (SI).... As of today.... Florida may not be interested in Hayes and if not the favorites to sign him are the Bruins, where he is from, or the Penguins, where assistant GM Tom Fitzgerald is his cousin. Florida is/has been Hayes reported number one choice so that he could join his brother Jimmy. (CBC)..... This also conflicts with a report from Joe Haggerty of Sportsnet today that the Avs and Predators appeared to be the top candidates for Hayes.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:15 pm EST

Starting to wonder if Esther isn't longing for Bobby Ryan again. $5.1 cap hit, walk year. Only way I could see it happening is dumping off Girardi or Staal somewhere, robbing Peter stuff. And Ottawa is looking to shed salary, so they wouldn't want either. Our next logical dump is Klein at almost $3m per, so again Klein/Miller gets you close, about a mil apart. Ryan supposedly didn't buy a house in Ottawa , can't imagine he's too happy there. But Sather & Murray have never made a deal, and now Murray has cancer. Who knows, but I don't think we add a scoring wing until Xmas at the earliest.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 8:00 pm EST

Rhetoric: Bang on dude.....if E Staal is to be a Ranger its via ufa. And lots of cap crap has to occur first (including resigning Marc to a nice fat deal).

RF4L


Mon Jul 21 2014 7:56 pm EST

TD: I like Johansen too. He's the real deal IMO. His upside IMO is s top end number 1 centre. He's not for sale, in other words. Therefore, you want the BJ's attention so you'd better be ready to offer up something like Stepan and Kreider. And that makes no sense for either team. Alas, we gotta hope Stepan continues to grow and proves worthy of being the number one centre on a cup contender....

RF4L


Mon Jul 21 2014 6:18 pm EST

JMO, but Eric Staal and Ryan O'Reilly are pipe dreams and too expensive for us. O'Reilly will probably make $6.5 per on his next deal. IMO, If we decided to trade Brassard it would be for a more affordable player. Anyway, $5.5 mil is just Brassard's asking price, I'm sure he'll settle for closer to the $4.5 mil cap hit we're looking for.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 5:43 pm EST

Per theScore..... Wild's Thomas Vanek has reportedly been connected to a federal gambling investigation.... http://thesco.re/1qYUPw8

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 5:36 pm EST

Kreider deal all but done and expected to be around $2.4 mil per year on a 2 year deal. Basically what was expected. If not announced today, it will be announced tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 4:43 pm EST

Brooks says bet. $2.2 & 2.5 per. Whatever. Guy is worth about $6m a year.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 4:19 pm EST

Looks like Kreider close on 2yrs, around $2m per. Which'd make him the biggest bargain in the NHL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 3:47 pm EST

TD thats what cally was and really is a third liner with second line upside so I was right on with cally. The difference is I see more skill in miller than cally. I think his upside is second line but with production not as a fill in because we have nothing else. Miller can pass the puck when he's not caught up in his ego and that's where he becomes more than cally if and that's an if he wakes up. You seem to think being called a skilled third liner with second line upside is calling him a bust but it isn't I don't even think he's best served on the fourth line. I think he should be on the brass zucc line to be honest where he can use his body an go hard to the net and create space for the other two and the points will come.

York18


Mon Jul 21 2014 3:09 pm EST

O'Reilly 80gp 28g, 36a, 64pts..... 23.5 yrs old, we could do a lot worse.. AAMOF, if the AV's put him on the block this year, I'm interested...

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 2:51 pm EST

Ryan JOHANSEN would be one of my first choices if the Rangers were shopping for a center. Doubt there's anything they could trade the Jackets to get him though.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 1:54 pm EST

Brandon Dubinsky! He of the one goal thru January!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 1:51 pm EST

davidsoc30 - O'REILLY I see as a guy too similar to STEPAN to really go after...I think if Brassard's contract necessitated moving him that you'd have to go after a guy with some size and physicality in the middle...shame, because the guy who would actually fit that bill to a T is Brandon DUBINSKY.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 1:45 pm EST

York - That's your opinion, fine...you see the kid as a third-liner...We've had this convo before... just I don't agree with you at all...In his four games in the playoffs, I didn't see anything that suggested he was terminally out of place or pulling the boneheaded plays you speak of...in fact, I think he looked a lot like the player I saw centering the first line and helping the Yanks win gold medal at the World Juniors two years ago...I personally think you're mistaking youth for a diminished hockey IQ..The kid tries some pretty insane dangles...and I see that as a flaw of his age. The kid's game has swagger. If he simplified it a bit, he'd be a lot more successful. He did that in the playoffs and was an asset to the Rangers before his injury. What do I think his ceiling is? I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't be quick to call him a third-liner. The funny thing is, I'm saying I see the kid as a Callahan-type player and they way you're describing him as a "skilled third liner with a second line upside" is pretty much how you used to describe Cally...who's another guy we didn't really agree on, but I digress.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 1:18 pm EST

That's what I'm worried about JFC. going through all these permutations will take till January, and coming to same conclusion, they dont have the right parts. Its such a long year, not worried about making playoffs. And as someone said, theyre not going to have worst start in their history again. So I could see them getting a false sense of security, especially with a better PP. But this year showed, have to be at the absolute best to win.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 1:06 pm EST

RR -- if it ain't broke, don't fix it....that's a legitimate concern, without a doubt. But, the fact that Zucc played so much LW gives us the flexibility to experiment a bit, knowing he'd pick it right back up,again. I know the obvious concern is passing from the backhand instead of fore, but when he curls from that side, he'll be able to get the puck on his forehand often as he creates time & ace. This guy is so valuable for the Rangers, but his versatility is a nice extra that should at least be a pre-season experiment. The idea of Kreider on that line is interesting to me, as well as MSL. I actually have no worries about that line if Brass &'Zucc are together....lots of options that should work......Stempniak, Lombardi, Kreider, MSL...hell, why not Nash? That's what pre-season is for.

JFC31


Mon Jul 21 2014 12:53 pm EST

JFC, Zuc is the most consistent producer we have, he'd be the last guy I'd mess with. Its a big difference for him curling right to the boards and making passes off his forehand. Not that he can't make backhand passes, he makes some unreal ones. I'd move St Louis if anyone. I am not optimistic about the season he's going to have. Then again, he's been proving people wrong a long time, hope I'm one of them.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 12:01 pm EST

Franson signs 1 yr deal with Toronto $3.3 mill ...... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=726720&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:50 am EST

TD so his hockey IQ is good it's his ego and cockiness that cause him to make stupid plays? He knows they're stupid but does them anyways? Sorry his hockey IQ is his problem he is ready for the NHL in all areas but there and that's the most important. I never called the kid a bust I said he will be a skilled third liner with second line upside if he pulls his head out of his ass. I also didn't compare him to Kreider I said you couldn't. Kreider was a blue chip prospect drafted out of high school that is blue chip

York18


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:50 am EST

Zuccarello played a lot of LW when he was in Europe. We have not really seen him for enough of an extended period on the LW the last 2 years to see what he is capable of from that position. I see no reason why, with his skill set and ability to slow the game down in the offensive zone, he couldn't be successful there.

JFC31


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:28 am EST

tdchi: As much as I would want Eric Staal, wouldn't that be hard to make happen with his cap hit? Would pursuing a deal with Colorado for Ryan O'Reilly make more sense with a slightly less cap hit?

davidsoc30


Mon Jul 21 2014 11:00 am EST

No way, MF. If indeed Zuc said that, he proved himself wrong. Both Torts & AV tried him there and he's non-existent. Zuc's whole game works off curling on the right boards and finding guys. He, Nash & St Louis are all big zeroes on the LW. It's why they need a righty shot there, preferably one attached to a big mean body. They don't get this straightened out, they'll hover around .500 for the first 40 games while AV goes bald with worry LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:53 am EST

RR: during Torts "reign of insane" I remeber Zucc saying, "I'm happy to play anywhere, but I prefer LW." ... If this still holds true, & AV has no issues with it, we could try Zucc (LW) / Brassard / Stempniak

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:45 am EST

paid

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:40 am EST

He was paid that money as well :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:36 am EST

MF....I know Kreider was payed $90,000 of his signing bonus in both his 2nd and 3rd seasons. Other bonuses are hard to say. A lot of these guys get bonuses for winning awards. A forward would even have bonus clauses for winning the Vezina or Norris trophies, which as we know would be impossible for them due to the position they play.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:21 am EST

td: Now I have not seem much of Miller in the AHL..2-3 games total. HOWEVER at the NHL level he is about the same away from the puck as when he first got some NHL time...not all that much better. He is still a danger when he doesn't have the puck, He HAS improved in the offensive zone and with the puck coming out of the Dzone. As for McIlrath...his skating issues are a myth. He is a better skater than Giradi, and AV uses Giradi for major minutes. Granted Giradi is awesome positionally so he can overcome not being a great skater. McIlrath has been developing the same way, and he overcomes any skating issues by using his angles like a champ. Also, McIlrath has 2 pro seasons (same as Miller) McIlrather had a major knee injury that caused him to miss parts of two seasons, so He hasn't even had a full season healthy to develop. D tend to take a little longer to develop than Forwards, and the bigger the player at any position the longer it tends to take as well. McIlrath is 6'5" and 230 pounds, he is a monster playing on the back end. It is not shocking that after only his second pro season he is not a 100% shoe in for a roster spot, and thats BEFORE you account for time lost to injury. By the end of last season, he was by all accounts the second best, if not best Dman on the Pack, that remarkable since early in the year he was by all accounts the number 4-5 Dman on the team. Miller is not one of these "big" forwards. He is not a little guy either...He has developed very nicely offensively, and with the puck he is strong, and makes for the most part good decisions, although at times at least in the NHL games ttys to force passes, and I think that is what being in the AHL does to players like him, Dmen and defensive forwards tend to be not as good in the AHL so you can get away with forcing a pass, but in the NHL the Dmen are so much better his passes look stupid when he tries them, but that will be learned quickly (or should be) his problem is with out the puck he is still lost, he even looks lost. He tries hard, he doesn't suit on plays, but it seems like he has no idea. This is the type of thing that watching hours and hours of film in the off-season can help. Other players in the NHL have done this and talked about it and talked about how it helped their defensive game. If Miller is serious about making the team he will have done some of that, and he will be at "camp" early with the vets who show up that week before. To be fair, McIlrath needs to be in the house early as well...just to get some work in, and maybe get some pointers from the more veteran guys on the blue line and to see some of the forwards do some things that he can see, and learn to deal with. All the kids who have designs on an NHL roster spot should be among the first guys there....or never really like ala Kreider who is at the training center for his off season stuff.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:06 am EST

Matchups will be what they'll be MF' though I hear what you're saying. They take the approach to worry about themselves and not what the opposition is doing. But truthfully, a few days after exhaling because they addressed what could have been gaping holes (should the kids fail) by adding a few decent vets on the cheap, the thrill wears thin and we're left with what we usually have, which is a Glen Sather mess of a lineup. worse, he seems to be following his own recent trend of leaving his team almost totally unprotected. None of the fucking parts fit. I kidded BoB the other day about negativity, but I can take the cake if I put my pessimists hat on. Stemp finished the playoffs on the 4th line. lombardi was passed on by every team how many years running? neither is a natural LW. In fact, while hes a righty shott they badly need, I can't confirm Stamp has ever played there, with all the talk of how he can replace Puliot's points, never mind the physical aspect, and Puli was a big ornery fuck when he wanted to be. In Nash & St Louis, we've got $13m in RWs who can't play the left, don't hit much and don't score much anymore. So, wonderful. Whats worse, I'm afraid these latest roster-clogging moves may preempt their efforts to land Winnick or Carter, two rough & tumble types we need bad. I don't have time to lambast the rest of this shitty patchwork excuse for a fleet of NHL forwards, but trades are in order.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:06 am EST

Nash is the only guy in our line-up that I worry that the opposition may take some liberties with. With Krieder on that line, I'm not worried.. However, unless Kreider finds the open lane with some regularity, and Nash looks to draw coverage and then hit the open man, Krieder may be being under utilized. (jmo)

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 10:05 am EST

So here's some food for thought: If BRASSARD is really asking for $5.5 million, could this be the beginning of the end? Trading Brass would open up a BIG hole in the middle...But it could also narrow the cap room they'd need to get a big piece in the middle...perhaps someone like Eric STAAL...seems like the Canes are going into a rebuild/retool. That's a big salary they're keeping there...Not sure what they'd want for Staal, but a deal centered around Brassard could be a start.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:58 am EST

mf - I think Kreider has to come off the NASH line...or perhaps moving NASH off the line...maybe swap MSL with him...I don't think you can put MSL and ZUCC together, which means you either move Kreider or NASH, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:50 am EST

RF4L - I don't think anything is holding MILLER back...again, this is a 21-year-old kid who has gotten better every year since he was drafted by the Rangers. What's the downside to that? And for arguments' sake, it's tough to look at the guys who were drafted after him and see many players that have advanced past this kid. Miller was a solid pick who will soon be a regular NHLer...if there's a prospect that I'd be worried about right now it's McILRATH...I like Mack, but I'm wondering what his future is with the direction AV is taking this team...Not sure if he has the footspeed to play the type of game AV wants...and if Mack doesn't work out, that's one hell of a draft pick the Rangers will eat.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:44 am EST

RR, I'm guessing that last year the Nash, Stepan, Kreider line drew the oppositions top pairing coverage.. If we move Kreider to play with Brass / Zucc, are they going to draw the top coverage? As I type, I'm thinking that this may be a good thing for Nash & Stepan.....

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:40 am EST

Every $$$ is important now, especially if Brassard is asking for $5.5mill and you want to have some reserves just in case......

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:38 am EST

York - Oh please. The kid was a point-per-game scorer in the AHL and in the games I saw last year, he was the one guy down there who always stood out...easily the most talented guy on Hartford last year...only guys that came close to him were KRISTO and FAST...and neither has the size, physicality or ability to skate through traffic that Mills has...And re: his hockey IQ...the kid is 21! The mistakes I see him make are ones that have more to do with his age and his cockiness, not his understanding of the game(or lack thereof)...You want to say he's a bust, go ahead and put your name to it. I think the kid has a big upside. And re: Kreider...I don't think you can compare the two...two totally different career paths..two totally different players.....he spent three formative years in the NCAA...Miller spent one in juniors and now two split between the NHL and Hartford...Whether that stunted his growth or not is academic...regardless, Kreider was a more complete player when he came to the Rangers, sure....only that had a lot to do with where he was playing... And just to be clear, I don't recall anyone calling Kreider "blue chip" when he was drafted. All I heard was project...that he'd be three to four years out from the NHL...My take on Miller has always been he has an immense amount of talent and has an upward career trajectory since the Rangers drafted him. I fully expect he'll take the next step next season...and that next step, IMO, will likely be on the wing with fourth line...one other thing, you of all people should be well away AV skates four lines. Miller on fourth will get the get between nine and 11 minutes a night if he plays well, and I don't see any problem with that. And when the inevitable injury bug bites, he'll be ready for a higher line assignment. So if you want to say I'm wrong in my assessment, go ahead.. I Never said the kid was the next Wayne Gretzky though. And actually, the one comparison I have made is that he could be a bigger Ryan CALLAHAN.

tdchi


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:36 am EST

Wild: That's not always the case - it depends on the player's contract - you get him now you've got him the whole year, both for playing and negotiating. Furthermore, what if he has another concussion? His value drops without a doubt. Sather should be having preliminary talks now to establish Staal's desires and he feels they are too high, then seriously look at moving him now. Callahan fetched very little. The lack of prized youth in the Rangers feeder system behooves Sather not to repeat the Callahan return.

RF4L


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:34 am EST

Rhet, yu da man.... So, on Wednesday, we will hear the figures for Fridays arbitration, and I'm guessing that on Thursday (2 business days) we will hear the figures for next Monday's arbitration........ Do you know if Kreider made any or all of the $525,000 bunus money because I see different numbers on CapGeek for "last season." thanks again ......... http://capgeek.com/rangers/archive/

mf


Mon Jul 21 2014 9:23 am EST

Come on Rangers, meet the kid in the middle..... 9:46AM: Chris Kreider has asked for $2.8 million per year in arbitration. (Elliotte Friedman) The Rangers have countered with two offers of two-years, one at $1.9 million per and another at $2.2 million per. (Elliotte Friedman) Kreider’s arbitration hearing is scheduled for Wednesday morning. Per the CBA, the salary figures must be submitted 48 hours before the hearing. The two sides can still settle before Wednesday’s hearing. Last season, Kreider had a cap hit of $800,000 but had the chance to make up an additional $525,000 in bonuses.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 21 2014 8:43 am EST

RF4L: Your crazy if you think returns are bigger now. No way teams pay LESS at the deadline. Teams toss prospects and high picks around at the deadline like they grow on trees. Deals in the summer tend to be more even, less high paying than those done at the deadline during the crazy race for that last part needed to win the cup.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 21 2014 8:41 am EST

You all really need to stop using Brooks reported numbers as a starting point. He only gets the high number, doesn't care if it might be lower. Again, remember with Staal he said thats what Staal would get on the market...well he used that 9.75 mil per number for Hank, and while he gets paid a lot of money, its not 9.75 per. Said McD would be 5.5 per as well, if the rangers had a really great deal, well, they got him for less because he wants to be in NY. Now I am sure some will say "but Staal wants to play with his brothers with the Canes" well for one, we don't know that, and for another reason, Eric may get traded before Marc becomes a UFA. I am sure the idea of trading him is out there. Sather would be silly to trade him now, he needs to try to get him extended, if at the deadline he is not trade him. Thats when teams pay the most anyway, hell they overpay. So no matter what, you wait. As for 5.5 mil per. I have no idea. But I would bet Sather can get him locked up for less than that. More like McD at 4.7, It will be very hard for Staals agent to demand much more than that from the Rangers. Giradi makes more, but his contract was struck first. If its good enough for McD to take less than that, its good enough for Staal.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 21 2014 7:47 am EST

And I concur that Sather should be looking to move Staal now if he feels he doesn't want to resign him to a long term deal at the $$ LB is suggesting will be commanded. I say now because the return should be higher (vs at the deadline). An obvious choice is Edmonton, a team where he'd immediately be slotted on the first pairing and who has some high end young forwards to offer up. The problem is, obviously, how you replace Staal. Yeah, he's not the Rangers best defenseman, but he's a solid 2nd pairing with the ability to step into the first pair in a pinch. Not easily replaced.

RF4L


Mon Jul 21 2014 7:40 am EST

York/TD: Maybe a more apt way of summarizing Miller's NHL attempts to date is 'blue chipper - no brain'. Maybe he's not the brightest bulb on the xmas tree (which isn't to say he's stupid, I should note). I recall hearing a prominent agent on the FAN590 a few months ago talking about how some kids have all the raw skills in the world but not the brains and never make it. He didn't name names but referred to a couple of recent first round selections who he felt would never make it past the AHL despite brimming with skill. I'm not implying Miller is one of those - just wondering if that's what's holding him back more than anything else. To me, showing up the day before camp when everyone else has been scrimmaging together for a few weeks when you're 20 years old and hoping to find a spot on the roster isn't a very smart decision. Doing what both of you have said about hanging on the puck too long at the NHL level because he can do that at the AHL is another not so bright thing. Just musing here...

RF4L


Mon Jul 21 2014 7:40 am EST

Schneid- sorry, but Staal was NOT Our best defenseman In the playoffs. Invisible offensively, défensive Strahlman was better.. MCDONOUGH played hist ass off, scored Big goals as well. FIRST pair Is signed long term, Strahls Is gone. Do You want to sine 5.5 mm In à Long term deal for a Guy With 1 good eye and à concussion history who brings little or no offense to the backline? If he givres a hometown discount (he wont) i might consider , but as i said, If he goes The Callahan route, deal for a pick In 2015 draft.

puckyou


Mon Jul 21 2014 6:24 am EST

Schneid no problem with miller at all I'm just tired of the over hype by TD the kid is an NHL player but his hockey IQ is for shite. TD would have you believe this kid just owned the AHL but he didn't. The fact is a lot of the same boneheaded mistakes he has made here he still made there but his attributes allow for him to cover it up at the lower level. His decision making without the puck needs a lot of work and his dangle/bad passing as well. He fixes those things and he's a second line player he doesn't and you have a checking forward. You can't compare him to Kreider one was a blue chip player the other a project miller still needs a lot of coaching the good thing is he's eager and doesn't carry the same ego that held Kreider back. The real problem with miller is the ahl is not going to help him but neither is 7 min a night on the fourth line. Miller needs the min and you have to be willing to eat his mistakes and deal with the growing pains for him to get better and with this win now plan they aren't going to do that.

York18


Sun Jul 20 2014 10:55 pm EST

Haha...same goes for St Louis, not sesame lol. Damn tablet types what it wants!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 10:51 pm EST

The one thing I want to start a frickin campaign on right now is, I want to see Kreider on a line with Brass & Zuccarello. Waited all year and didn't see AV try it once. With Puliot gone and the rest of this lineup jumbled, no reason in the world not to. Reasoning is solid in my mind; they're basically our 3 best forwards by position. Dont think anyone argues CK is our top LW. and sure you can claim Nash is supposed to be out top RW, but right now Zuc outproduces him. Step may put up more points than Brassard, but Step has also had the better players to work with. But there's no question Brass & Zuc are our best tandem, and they deserve a go with our best LW. Those guys need that net presence to create room for them, and they'd better have someone finishing the great plaus they come up with. Not to mention, Kreider has one of the hardest shots on the team, if not the hardest, and it was really underutilized last year, most of his goals were from in tight. Think maybe we should try him with (clearly) our best passer (Zuc)? Don't think AV would ever break them up if he tried them and they got rolling. Other thing is, I can see the rest of these lines being tough fits. We don't even know the final roster, but pretty clearly Stempniak or Lombardi are going to have to shift to LW, or AV won't have much choice but to swap Nash or Zuc there, a BIG NO-NO for either, as both are less productive there. I'm also sick and tired of seeing them rearrange the whole goddamn lineup to get one player going, be it Nash or Richards or Gaborik or whomever. Those 3 are a slam dunk no-brainer, and you need a top u it. Brassard has a big 70-pt season in him, I can just feel it. And the rest, Nash is basically a solo artist, let him get himself going with mixture of others. sesame goes for Marty St Louis, who I expect a good start and very long slump from. Can't rearrange the team based on these guys reps and salaries.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 9:51 pm EST

NEWFIE-- WRT Carcillo- I am surprised he was let go too... I suppose his unpredictability and penchant for taking dumb penalties hurt his cause with Vignault.. Similarly, I was Pouilliot's biggest advocate, but he took some ridiculously bad penalties too

schneidw


Sun Jul 20 2014 9:49 pm EST

PUCKYOU- Did you happen to catch any of the NYR playoff games?? Staal was the NYRs best overall defenseman.. including McDonough.. not sure what you were seeing to suggest otherwise... the question that needs to be asked is what happened to Girardi... he gets a pass because of all the positives over the years.. but truth be told, he was awful in the playoffs...

schneidw


Sun Jul 20 2014 9:46 pm EST

YORK18- Tone down the negativity a bit on JT Miller... 21 Years Old, he has size 6-1 and 207lbs and aggressive attitude... he looked strong in the playoffs before getting hurt... give the kid some time... same negativity was stuck on Kreider.. patience@!!!

schneidw


Sun Jul 20 2014 8:43 pm EST

Tarnasky isn't very good at fighting. Iffy balance. Very willing, I'll give him that. Would rather have Carcillo, Atleast we know he's good and can play. The ea of the"GOONS" as you guys call them are kinda over. Get a scrappy tough d man with carcillo and glass. If not go way big and get big Mac from Edmonton he's a FA.

ref24


Sun Jul 20 2014 3:58 pm EST

camp granada........

mf


Sun Jul 20 2014 3:43 pm EST

looking forward to training camp

Messier11


Sun Jul 20 2014 1:26 pm EST

Yup Hospo, I still badly want a Winnick or Carter. As those won't be ridiculously low deals like Stemp, think it waits until RFAs are locked down. They may have agreements in place now for all we know, but it behooves them to wait announcing. The key you touched on is them adding these just-in-case vets, which they've never really been able to do. Maybe be a function of the new CBA where quality guys are scrunched down near league minimum. But the team cannot, as it relates to kids like Miller and even Lindberg, get into camp with no feasible backup plan. If the kids fall short they'd be left with nothing, the whole league knows youre desperate and there's not much to choose from. So I think they're in the appropriate place for a team trying to take next step but also just lost people. They've loaded back up a bit and can take stock, knowing they have competent NHL sticks should someone falter, and never knowing who comes available between now & March.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 10:25 am EST

Hospo; Your part - time tough guy is right in front of us. I was watching all of this guy Nick Tarnanskys fights from last year. Won't scare real heavyweights but is certainly more than game and able. Just a phone call away in Hartford. Big dude too !

stepunmytoe


Sun Jul 20 2014 10:08 am EST

RABID - Nah,good stuff....some of us may disagree with the lack of tough size on the top 12 but the moves the Ranges have made are good/smart ones for the type of fast, quick, smart skilled attack with a lot of flexibility they seem to be looking for..And, obviously, some of us differ on if and where the kids should be playing but the bottom line is that by using only 1.7 mill per year this is a much better and deeper team with the Stemp, Lombardi and the kids..compared to just the Kids...And the other bottom line is that all of them, including MIller, Fast, lindberg, even if they start in the AHL will get their chances sometime this year..Because of injury or poor performance,,,.AV doesn't strike me as the type to let the better player, vet or kid, sit.......And yeah, I hope we can still sign a low budget goon to help GLASS (or provide injury insurance for him) in protecting this team some nights..

Hospo


Sun Jul 20 2014 9:00 am EST

Sry for the eye-Burner Hospo LOL.Quiet Sunday morning and the mind is meandering. I don't think anybody knows on JT right now, AV has said that flat out. Is he going to be a real good AHLer or something more? And to be clear, I think what everyone is talking about is can he be really good? And I think the answer is definitely yes, he certainly has the tools, even now, to have a roster spot on an NHL team. But where will it be? I don't think there's anything wrong in saying you don't know, it remains to be seen. One thing that's really humbled my big mouth these past few years LOL, is these kids can surprise the hell out of you! And we all think we see or don't see certain things in these kids. Case in point for me was McDonagh. When he came up he looked okay to me, but there was very little to suggest he'd become something so special, a top all-around blueliner, because he was understated and being careful at the time, and he was processing. Just like Kreider was there for a bit. So you might see a guy floating around out there and make all kinds of misinterpretations off of it. Needless to say, McD eventually turned on the afterburners one night and the lightbulb goes off, holy smokes, this kid's got it! Same goes for JT. Dont know if people realize what a frickin tank he's built himself in to. Nobody's stronger than Chris Kreider but I'd betcha Miller is their 2nd strongest forward. Question is, does he become RJ Umberger? That's what he looks like right now, a mostly nondescript, hasn't put it all together player. Or does he take the leap and become rock solid, BrindAmour/Tonelli kind of player? Is he a wing or a center? I think he's definitely looked better at wing, but there are more responsibilities in the middle and he may need to grow into it. He's a brash kid; that's a good thing in my book. And he's still very young.So I just think he deserves, and the club deserves to see what's really there. Quit bouncing him around in different leagues and different positions, and find out. But do I think Sather is sold on the kid?I do not. Sather's not getting any younger, and he wants a Cup. He doesn't have the luxury of waiting 3-4 years for a kid to get it together, not when he may be able to deal for a better young player his team badly needs. And that may have been another reason for Stempniak, who played center quite a bit in Calgary if memory serves.'along with Lombardi and Lindberg, it seems they've tried to really fortify that spot.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 8:49 am EST

York - "bluechip no brainer" is an interesting way of putting what I said about MILLER, which is that I think he'll be fourth line wing, but whatever. I won't argue semantics. My opinion on Miller is that he belongs in the NHL, period. He has nothing less to prove in Hartford. He needs NHL minutes and when he gets them, he'll be successful. I firmly believe AV's comments were directed giving him the motivation to show he belongs and I think he did that in the playoffs. You can disagree if you want, but I do believe the Rangers themselves said he belongs...I'm not and never have penciled Miller into the top six of this team, but again, believe that he will work his way there. In fact, the only thing I've said about Miller other than that he'd make a great addition to the team's bottom two is that the Rangers could very well have him as their third line center depending on what Lombardi does. Never said I liked that idea...just that I could see it happening. So if you're characterizing my exuberance for the kid as blinding me, then perhaps you should read what I'm writing a little more carefully.

tdchi


Sun Jul 20 2014 8:40 am EST

I see Staall going the way of Cally at the deadline. He will get his $, but not from Slats. Between the multi injuries, concussions and the eye (which I believe has stopped him from being the top defenseman we all thought he would be). That said - he is still a good shut down D- just not sure the NYR want to give him a long term deal at that price. He might fetch a good pick in next year's draft with a deadline deal. It's a bit annoying reading Brooks' doing player's agent's bidding. The question is who can we replace him with if needbe- we can't let him walk for nothing to go play with hi brothers or elsewhere.

puckyou


Sun Jul 20 2014 8:35 am EST

MF/Rabid.... Glen Sather is all about carrying 8 defensmen on the roster in case of injury. We did it last year. So for argument's sake, our RFA's go over in money that we have slotted for them and one guy get's kept and the other get's sent down(carrying instead a total of 7 defensemen). Also, you need to have a bank of at least $700,000 to $1 Mil to make moves during the year(in case of injury, etc.). The more breathing room, the better. You can do it with less, but it's very difficult and it limits your choices on who you can bring up. We might be able to fit another "million dollar guy", but that's about it. Also, Miller is only making this team if he's at least on the third line. He's not going to get just limited minutes. I think they send him down first. If the Rangers are able to sign Kevin Hayes, he would be on the team next season and would likely take the spot on Brassard's LW. He would have a maximum cap hit of $900k. We will have a lot of competition for Hayes as he will be this season's Justin Schultz..

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 20 2014 8:04 am EST

TD your love of miller is really blinding your objectivity he played good, he belonged? He survived which is more than he has managed to do in his other chances. His time in the ahl is being way over hyped by you. You act like this kid had 50 goals and 70 assists or something. Sather had to play him who else was there? Rabid and I agree on that for sure. You want this kid to make it so bad youre not even being objective. This kid has not shown the skill to even stick as a third liner in the NHL yet and you're talking like this kid is a blue chip no brainer

York18


Sun Jul 20 2014 7:52 am EST

Just trying to keep up..................is Carcello gone and why ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 7:16 am EST

Gene_carr, think these were placeholder moves, but with an eye towards maybe one or both of Stamp & Lombardi being here for the duration of the year and really contributing. They're both such versatile guys that bring a lot to the table. But I got to thinking about their speed, because I was watching some clips of Lombardi, and I don't know if people realize what a rocketship this guy is; We're talking a Hagelin, good luck catching him burst. Now granted, youtube makes everyone looks great LOL. and some of that footage is from 2008, but sheesh, even if this guy lost a few steps he's still one of quickest in the league. And if you start going thru the roster, I come up with at least a dozen guys that can really motor, several of whom are asnquicker or quicker than anyone in the league. Don't think we'll realize till we see it. Its going to be a Ranger blizzard LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 7:01 am EST

MF, think the take a step back logic says we're going for the Cup and there's no way they trade their No. 4 dman, simple as that. I get the concern inking Staal long term, but believe they'll do it late in the year, like Girardi's. But if they ever did move Staal, they can trade him anywhere, doesn't have to be Carolina. And deviating from righty-lefty on D isn't something AV wants at all, unless maybe you were to get a guy who's real comfortable. Don't think cap is a concern next year at all. MSL is coming off the books, and we could well be looking to dump Nash's 7.8 by then if things don't change. Plus the cap's going up. That could be as much as $15m right there. BTW, Steven Stamkos is UFA in 2016.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 20 2014 6:15 am EST

The moves Sather has made are pretty smart. For bargain basement prices he filled the holes left by the free agents. I f a young one's play deserves to be on the big team there is no difficulty in doing so. In fact I think this may be a holding tactic that allows some deadline trades and another year of development if needed for some rookies. The moves made to strengthen Hartford will only make for better development. PS for someone who asked earlier, we have 2 second round picks next year.

gene_carr


Sun Jul 20 2014 1:11 am EST

RR: I think its going to cost $12-$13mill to sign all 4 guys.... Having McIlrath pushing for a roster spot would be a welcomed dilemma but has anyone heard that he's even close? I like the addition of Klein, he calmed our D down when he came aboard last year. With the benefit of hindsight, moving Del Zotto was addition by subtraction, and having Klein replace Del Zotto was like a shot of B12 for the Rangers...... I have an unsubstantiated prediction that our 3rd defensive pair of Klein / Moore is going to show significant improvement and production over last season, they have a season together and something like 21 playoff games under their belt. (I think Moore was suspended 2-3 games) ....Klein was joining in on the rush during the playoffs, seems like a good skater, and he and Moore played physical, I think he was a steel & don't think he's going anywhere......... Which brings me to Marc Staal & Brooksie's mention of signing him today...... (Like Staal hasn't been discussed here on the Wall since the SCF's, drive by anytime you need content Larry) next year we are Cap Strapped but good....... If Staal does in fact get $5.5mill per, I figure the Cap needs to increase by approx $4mill for Sather to get everyone signed, and thats taking into consideration that MSL is taking a discounted pay of $4mill...... SO, taking into consideration that 1) we need the Cap Space, 2) we have no 1st round pick next year (do we even have a 2nd?) and 3) Staal has had two major injuries during his early career, Do we trade Staal???? On a side note: Carolina has 5 LHS 1 RHS on last years squad and they had very similar point production as we did... I didn't get into the nitty gritty of special teams play.... but if we did trade Staal, and wound up with 4 RHS dmen, and 2 LHS d'men, would it be so terrible??? Klein is signed for the next 4 years at $2.9mill, that's a bargain, and in the cap world, we need these type of salaries......

mf


Sun Jul 20 2014 12:16 am EST

Right MF.So it looks like they'll have a few million in space after everyone's signed, which I was saying last week. So, changes still pending, but say they end up $2m under, and look to make a deal. Not based on his play which I think has been largely rock solid, but based on being on a 3rd pairing and maneuverability in trying to make a move (and maybe McIlrath pushing for his spot with an impressive camp), if they find a deal involving Klein and his nearly $3m salary, they can afford a $5m player, should they decide. And that's before the other team has to pick up any $. So they're in good shape in tat regard.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:47 pm EST

With Stempniak now on board, it looks like the Rangers have $14,068,333 in cap space to sign Kreider, Zucc, Brassard & J.Moore. This figure includes sending down Fast, Mueller, Kostka, Hunwick, & bringing JTMiller up.....

mf


Sat Jul 19 2014 10:12 pm EST

Larry Brooks says that the Rangers better get busy on a Marc Staal extension as the price is only going to go up. (NY Post) Brooks says that the minimum starting numbers for Staal will likely be six-years and $5.5 million per season. Staal would get at least that as a free agent next summer unless he were to sustain another concussion this year. (NY Post) He says that the Rangers will either need to pay Staal or start investigating what he might be able to get in a trade. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 19 2014 8:44 pm EST

Nick... I think I have to disagree. While the Rangers acquisitions this offseason are somewhat unconventional, I think the players they brought in compliment the style that Vignault implemented last season. Lombardi has speed and skill and plays a good defensive game. Stempniak is a solid skater with some offensive skill and finishing ability. They are really good complimentary pieces that cost next to nothing. Glass definitely replaces Dorsett/Carcillo on the 4th line. I guess the hope is that Lombardi and Moore can win faceoffs for them this year. I'm really happy with these moves.

evets1980


Sat Jul 19 2014 7:44 pm EST

"@Herman_NYRBlog: Amazing Lee Stempniak stat: He was the 16th-best possession player shorthanded (min 30 PK minutes) in the entire NHL. Boyle replacement."

professa


Sat Jul 19 2014 7:35 pm EST

This team will have a better record in the regular season you can book it. We're gonna avoid the poor start from last year now that the boys know the system and win with our speed. Love the Stempniak and Lombardi signing. He was playing with a pile of trash last year in Calgary, and once he went to Pit he was a 0.5 PPG guy. Will plug in nice on the side of Zucc and Brassard, replicating Benny's production nicely. I will bet Lee Stempniak outproduces Benoit Pouliot next year. Look at his career. Much better consistency. In the lockout season, he had more points than Cally and 2 less than Brad Richards. And we're paying him 900k. Gotta give Slats credit, did the best he could with the budget we had. I don't understand the negativity with some people. We went to the cup finals and now we're heading into the season in which we are arguably better in a handful of facets (All of which were a problem in the finals): We have a bonafide PP QB, we are faster down the middle, have better overall speed throughout our lineup. I'd go with Nash/Step/Kreider Zucc/Brass/Stempniak Hags/Lombardi/MSL Glass/Moore/Miller Fast as the Ex Forwars. Our only problem is lack of size, Which is why I could see Kreider moving to a different line, since two of our tallest forwards are on the top line, as well as Miller moving up eventually. Maybe Nash/Step/MSL Zucc/Brass/Stempniak Hags/Lombardi/Kreider (That line would fly) Glass/Moore/Miller. Be positive! Not a lot of teams can keep up with us in the East.

professa


Sat Jul 19 2014 6:41 pm EST

Once Carcillo was suspended, AVs only options were Miller or the taxi squad. That's no option at all. You put a kid who's never played an NHL game in the Cup finals and he makes a Girardi type turnover, you could ruin him for life. People bend facts till they break. I hope for the best for J.T, just haven't seen it from him. One thing that is odd though, if anyone noticed; anytime he shuttled back and forth, either with Hartford or the NYR, his first game was always a good one. even two years ago under Torts, think it was maybe his 1st NHL game, he played with Kreider against the Isles and think he had two goals. Can't figure out what if anything it means. But Sather saying JT would've played if not for injury? That there is some salesmanship.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 6:09 pm EST

BOB - We can only hope! :)

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 4:31 pm EST

Okay let's see: B-Boyle, Richards, Pouliot gone; Lombardi, Stempniak and JT Miller in. Dorsett=Glass; Stralman=DBoyle, more or less. Cut-and-paste; dumpster diving. Barring a deal for an actual top-6 forward, it looks like another slog to 8th. We should be used to it by now; it's been the same for every year but 2012 since 2006. Beats 98-2005 I guess.

Nick


Sat Jul 19 2014 3:40 pm EST

Bring back Jessiman! We can then have the smartest team in the east with 4 Ivy leaguers that misses the playoffs. The Dartmouth line! Lombardi is a good signing is he produces and allows Moore to center the 4th line. I have no problem with Glass. Boyle worries me due to his age and declining production, but then he is a typical Sather signing and as long as he can play on the 3rd pair and contribute to the PP, he should be OK. I do like the idea of having a fast team. Sure more enjoyable to watch than the Torts teams. Maybe the next wave of prospects (Buchnevich, Sheij, Duclair) are worth a crap, as the club clearly feels the current wave (Miller, McIlrath, Lindberg, Fast) is not. Maybe there is a significant trade coming featuring these guys and our #1's in 2016 and 2017 for someone like Jumbo Shrimp Thornton or someone.

Bob


Sat Jul 19 2014 3:24 pm EST

A coach always has options. AV had options and he went with MILLER. His comments during the season were much ado about nothing. Miller went down, crushed it in the AHL and came back for the playoffs. Then when he did get minutes in four games, he looked like he belonged. In fact, he looked good. I fully believe he would have stayed in the lineup had he not separated his shoulder...which happened, BTW, as he was driving hard to the net...something only a few Rangers do. Zucc, Kreider and Hags to be exact.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 2:17 pm EST

Obviously, I kid..but another link is that STEMP and GLASS were teammates at DARTMOUTH for two years (with Jessiman)..Rangers like doing those type of things....And, DAMN, 3 IVY Leaguers in the top 12 (More-Harvard)..Also likely that 8 of the Top 12 forwards will be from US Colleges...Just interesting..

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:58 pm EST

And is there any truth to the rumor that the Stempniak signing is actually a 2-for-1 deal and we also reaquire his ex-college teammate and good friend HUGH JESSIMAN?

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:56 pm EST

BOB - Oh yeah, and TOMATOE NOSE? Well, I awttaa!..But Rarely, with an Italian!

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:51 pm EST

The difference MF is who dishes it out? Who initiates? Our guys have proven they'll take the lickin & keep tickin. But they can only take so much. And its better to give than receive.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:50 pm EST

MF - Maybe..The defense is fine physically...POs are one thing where most players need to finally turn it up physically---Nash and Stepan finally seemed to get it, Brassard the previous year...But Regular season is always a little different during the drudge of the season..For a fast, skill team like the Rangers I think You need guys like GLASS and, IMO because AV will want to use Glass for much more (PKs, defense), maybe another big and/or tough guy not afraid to drop the gloves (not McI from the back) could be helpful....JMWO

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:47 pm EST

Pshaw! Totally soft, small, utter shit. Can't wait to sink like a rock in standings. Fire sather! McDavid! Just being a realist.

Messier11


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:32 pm EST

We're not a totally soft line-up: Kreider, Miller, Glass, McDonaugh, Staal, Klein, and Brassard & J.Moore did not shy away from any of the physical stuff.. Girardi doesn't throw highlight reel hits, but he's always in there, and for plenty of minutes........

mf


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:25 pm EST

Our arbitration days are this Wednesday the 23rd, this Friday the 25th, and the following Monday the 28th.... Certainly not looking to burn through summertime days, but am a bit anxious to see how the money & contracts play out......

mf


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:17 pm EST

JFC - Persoanlly, I think that' a perfect spot for him...He has the physical abilities..Playing with smart vets like Moore and Glass can be good for his game...Could be a fast skating banging line with Miller and Glass doing the skating and banging...Moore taking care of the C responsibilities....And maybe he moves up during the season..And remember, the Rangers have little depth and there will be plenty of injuries to vets..The chances will be there...

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:13 pm EST

was Miller brought in (the game) after Stepan had his jaw broken & Carcillo got suspended? I don't recall hearing him bumping a regular roster guy out of the line-up....ATOH, I do hope he wows the heck out of us this year

mf


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:10 pm EST

Miller should consider himself lucky if he gets a 4th line spot. It will allow him to get good minutes, get comfortable and concentrate on basics like playing hard along the boards and hitting hard on the forecheck. Plus, if he's on with Moore as his center, he's playing with a guy who is skilled and can distribute the puck well, giving him more opportunities to score than the average NHL 4th line does. Then, if he gets in a groove, plays consistently well with and without the puck, he gives AV the option to move him up. It would be a good place to start the season....less pressure too.

JFC31


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:06 pm EST

hahaha

Messier11


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:04 pm EST

TDCHI - The options were kinda limited in the POs don't ya think? He played over The non-descript do-little Fast and Career 4th liner Carcillo? Don't know if that shows Caoches think he's ready or more like last resort,,,,Either way, Now you have two experienced top 9 hockey players....JMWO, but MILLER will sit except for possibly the 4th line and I honsetly think that would be a good place for him (say with Moore and Glass)..But, I have been wrong before!!!!

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:59 am EST

Or unless you have no choice. Probably AVs harshest words sbout anyone all year were directed at Miller. Lets not make up confidence in the kid the coach plainly doesnt have to support a theory.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:49 am EST

Messier11 - Exactly. You don't put a guy like MILLER into the lineup during the EC finals unless you know he's ready for it.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:42 am EST

And Im not sold on thhe kid by any stretch, but one thing that needs to stop is jerking Miller up & down, LW to C, top 6 bottom 6. Assign a role & leave him 15-20 games.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:37 am EST

Nah, Mess. Teams dont commit many acts of aggression on the PP.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:37 am EST

Hospo - The only place where we're not on the same page is MILLER..him getting minutes in the POs wasn't on accident...shows an incredible amount of faith for a coach to put someone like him into the game. And honestly, I think Miller responded in kind. He had a great playoffs for a rookie. No, he didn't score any big goals, but was knocking pretty loudly on the door...he was a very effective forward and, had it not been for a separated shoulder, I think he would have stayed in the lineup. We'll see what other moves Sather makes, but I would be surprised if he starts the season in Hartford. If he does, it'll be like with KREIDER last year, IMO...couple games and then a promotion.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:29 am EST

Agree that our depth isn't what it was last season, but addition of Boyle is going to dramatically improve our overall game and our PP. ///// If Glass has the wheels to join Moore on the PK, then he will be on the ice to a significant extent.

Messier11


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:19 am EST

RABID----Yeah, it was. I like to tweak HOSPO'S tomato nose now and then. I am irritated that our prospect pool is so thin, that our genius GM throws away draft picks like popcorn, and that we are in cap hell led by a big forward who makes his priority avoiding contact instead of scoring goals. Other than that, I am good! I believe that this year's run was a fluke and the odds of repeating it are very long. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the run for sure. I just don't see it happening again. They are weaker now they they were last season.

Bob


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:13 am EST

Mess, agreed on Glass being a slight upgrade. Here's the problem as I see it. That toughness is nowhere in the Top 9 forwards or Top 6 D. It's rarely on the ice with our team, unless deployed specifically. Age old problem, not many Lucics to go around, but there's no shjoertage okf douchebags ready to run our guys, that's for sure. And as someone pointed out, being able to hide the 900k from the cap, its like a free played, and they got a good one, versatile with wheels and some finish, experienced but not too old. So, fine. But I'm getting deeply concerned this is becoming a bunch of white bread pussy boys, and we're coming to have guys attacked even WORSE than MCD, Nash, Stepan, Kreider & Brass were last year! I mean, what's next? I want Winnick, but now doubt that's on their radar. Maybe its why AV hasn't won, he wants to play by Queensbury rules. To my mind, they now need a guy like Kane as much for his physicality and his passion as for his scoring.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:10 am EST

http://www.youtube.com/embed/SeJYex1ojyg?autoplay=1.....http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/115656.....http://www.youtube.com/embed/cqddKdUKoLw?autoplay=1

stevielegs


Sat Jul 19 2014 11:01 am EST

it doesn't get more prime time than the stanley cup playoff finals. Sather, AV obviously think Miller is ready.

Messier11


Sat Jul 19 2014 10:56 am EST

Westgarth ? Just where do you put him in the lineup ? And who sits ? Glass and his contract ? Won't happen. There are plenty of teams doing just fine without a so called heavyweight. Glass will suffice. The copycat league says " depth and speed" these days. Look at it this way, if it don't work out and the Rangers get pummeled into submission , which I doubt, You can always trade for some toughness or simply start playing McI which I hope happens in the end. Even as a 7th defensemen to start.

stepunmytoe


Sat Jul 19 2014 10:50 am EST

Were fine in the goon dept with glass. Can play 12:00atoi which is an improvement on goons in recent memory, plus can throw better than Dorsett, Carcillo, Asham, prust, Bickel

Messier11


Sat Jul 19 2014 10:13 am EST

TDCHI - Of course, we agree on a lot but where we disagree is that, RIGHT NOW, I think MILLER belongs to be lumped into the not-ready -for-prine-timr player grouo with Fast and LIndberg.........BOB - The kids aren't ready? How about this.....Lombardi could not get a job in the NHL last year and Stempniak has bounced around more than Lindsey Lohan. Perhaps our prospects truly suck. They are being pushed back to Hartford by older guys who suck" You said it, not me........I don't think they suck but they afen't ready and they MAY be nothing more than 3rd-4th liners eventually....PLAYERS had go be brought in

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 10:09 am EST

Bob, that was a classic bit of negativity only found here. What if the new vets AND the kids play well? And where is it written a player must tulr ghe AHL to help in the NHL. I believe we saw with Kreider yhats not always the case, the ehole ferrari in traffic analogy, playing with lesser players, etc. Htfd, Miller rules down there and does squat ip here.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 10:07 am EST

Hospo - My concerns exactly...Couple guys I'd keep my eyes on with this lineup...Kevin WESTGARTH...and Matt KASSIAN...both heavyweights...both are huge...both would go a long way toward allaying my concerns about this team's size and toughness. the problem now is that the Rangers barely have enough cap space to sign the RFAs now, much less even a league minimum signing it would take to land the aforementioned.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:54 am EST

Hospo/Bob - My take on FAST/LINDBERG is they're NOT ready. Both have NHL ability...especially Fast...but neither has really owned the AHL quite yet. They'd be good fill-ins, but I think relying on them to carry your third line would be ridiculous...Lindberg could probably play well pivoting the fourth line, but Fast would be wasted in that capacity...both need to return to Hartford for at least the first half of the season and really master that level. If one of them breaks through, they could always move a guy like Stempniak or Lombardi for picks mid-season...I will say it's totally unrealistic to think either Stemp or Lombardi will be demoted to the AHL unless something catastrophically wrong happens...these are both guys that were brought in for full-time roles in the NHL. They leave the team the day they're traded or sign elsewhere...the one kid I think who has a spot waiting for him is MILLER...baring another signing like Stemp(i.e. PENNER or SETOGUCHI), I think you can pencil Mills into fourth line...AV used him and liked him in that capacity during the playoffs...that's a pretty big stamp of a approval from a coach who was raking the kid over the coals two months earlier...but in specific I think Mills really excelled during his four games on fourth. He was an asset there and will be relied on to bring some of the snarl the rest of the lineup is lacking...Said a few months back that my feeling is his style of play and readiness made CALLAHAN a bit more expendable.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:46 am EST

The kids aren't ready? How about this.....Lombardi could not get a job in the NHL last year and Stempniak has bounced around more than Lindsey Lohan. Perhaps our prospects truly suck. They are being pushed back to Hartford by older guys who suck. Meanwhile, there are big and tough guys that suck that we could bring in instead.

Bob


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:45 am EST

Nice- more "Moneyball" by Slats. Stempiak for Poo- goal differential = 3, salary cap savings $. 3.1mm

puckyou


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:44 am EST

And I'm not sure where this Legend of Poo narrative is coming from in terms of potential guys to replace him....the guy had 15 goals. Big whoop! Either one of Stempniak or Lombardi could match that and also not have his head up his arse on a regular basis.

JFC31


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:43 am EST

hipcheck - If I were CARCILLO and saw the Rangers line up as it is today, I'd up my salary demands bu $100k. The Rangers DESPERATELY need him...with every bottom-line signing they make, they're needing him more. Tanner Glass ain't going to protect these guys. Carcillo and him won't work either, but at least it's a slight step in the right direction...my fear is that he played his way off the team when he bumped the ref and got suspended...I'll say I'm not optimistic he'll be back.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:39 am EST

As for PO readiness....does it really matter at this juncture? If this team looks like it does now after the trade deadline, then it's time for concern. Plenty of time to analyze the team during the regular season and then adjust/acquire big fish and more toughness.

JFC31


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:32 am EST

Yep, the kids are gonna have to bring all they've got to supplant the imports if they want to play....because I don't think these guys are being signed so they can get the best out of the yutes....they're being signed because they are players that AV and staff know and like. It's their jobs to lose IMO....it's not a competition unless the kids make it so....AV. Will have no problem if the kids don't cut it. And I don't see why Stempniak should be a question mark.....his stats are similar to Poo's. He's shorter than Poo but the same weight. If he's on with Brass & Zucc he's gonna score as much as Poo did.

JFC31


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:29 am EST

TDCHI - Shooting R is important for Stempnkiak...But, Honestly, I'm more afraid of pounding and being taken advantage of during the regular season (when goons and thugs play, and lesser teams skate more untalented but physical players)....But you are alos right that this team is not strong enough to WIN the POs--the only thing that matters

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:26 am EST

I don't know, I'm just trying to be optimistic and real at the same time...A hard job!

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:26 am EST

Want the STEMPNIAK signing summed up succinctly? Well, here it is: Shoots: R. I look at this a little more favorably than the Lombardi signing, which is to say not that favorably at all...but I'm not going to say it's a bad signing either. I see him as a third-liner, no doubt. and really, this means the Rangers up the middle will be Step, Brass, Moore and Lombardi; the latter two possible swapped...On the positive side, this team is going to be lightning fast --the fastest in the league by a fairly large margine. Really, there are only a couple of guys on this roster that can't burn up the ice. AV is really going for broke when it comes to setting the Rangers ahead of the rest of the NHL when it comes to speed. They probably have four of the top 10 speedsters in the league...That said, they MUST be fast because if they're not, they're going to get creamed...the lack of size and physical ability does not portend well for these guys if other teams find away to contain or neutralize their speed...Stemp isn't a small guy by any means...but not physical at all...my shot at lines: MSL-Step-Nash, Kreider-Brass-Zucc, Hagelin-Moore-Stempniak, Miller-Lombardi-Glass. On D, McD-Girardi, Staal-Boyle, Moore-Klein...again, not a bad lineup, per se...but one that isn't going to win many shoving matches...and as I said, god help them if a team finds a way to slow them down...My gut instinct tells me they're going to get eaten up in the playoffs...of course, the other team that at least got to the conference finals with a relatively soft squad and a bunch of burners is Montreal...the managed to kick Bruin-ass and handed the Lightning a pretty savage defeat in the opening round with a team that could win all the foot races...Interesting tact, I'm just not convinced it'll work.

tdchi


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:24 am EST

OTOH - This is not a roster I would put together, it is in desperate need of size and toughness.....Totally devoid of it except for Tanner Glass...Do SATHER and AV think the game is changing to mirror what they tried to do in the POs? I don't know and I don't think so.....They will be nuts if they don't pick up a goon, not a Carcillo, but a true heavy weithg....The Rangers have veteran experience and moxie but still so physically weak...

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:21 am EST

BOB/JFC - If the Rangers thought MIller/Fast/Lindberg were REALLY ready, they wouldn't be making these signings of solid flexible vets fo ONE YEAR contracts...Biding time with some skill, speed, flexibility and experience till the kids are ready, if they ever will be..At these contracts, if the kids are the better players, there is no reason they can't play..If I were a Ranger youth, I wouldn't be depressed, I would be like :Holy SHot, I gotta my entire act in gear to EARN some ice time"

Hospo


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:06 am EST

Lee Stempniak? Hello Muddah,,,,Hello Faddah.....another washed up vet to block kids. This clown could not score playing in PITTSBURGH. Pittsburgh! HOSPO--are they any more washed up retreads we can sign out there? Maybe we can bring enough in that Fast, Miller and Lindberg have to play i Charlotte seeing s they are not ready for the NHL. By my count, we now have abut 6 4th liners.

Bob


Sat Jul 19 2014 9:04 am EST

hipcheck: couldn't agree with you more.....When Max Pac of Montreal slammed McD's head into the boards and everybody stood around and watched.......can't help but think more is on the horizon......there will be a day when we will pay the price for being too soft and too small

jnyr


Sat Jul 19 2014 8:47 am EST

Last season was such a joyous, unexpected "gift". Now it's payback time for us the fans. We are officially the smallest, softest team in the league. This is going to be painful. I'm stunned they haven't signed Car-Bomb. He fit in nicely, played extremely smart (never a liability out there), and he had not 1, but 2 BIG Playoff goals. WTF is going on here???

hipcheck


Sat Jul 19 2014 8:45 am EST

Good one WILD. And right its insurance against kids not cutting it, so good two LOL. I can't help notice though that both Lombardi & Stemp bring a lot of what Hagelin brings. After these playoffs he really won me over, and I wouldn't deal him, because every great team needs a great plumber, or handyman utility type, and has shown he can be that.and I think he's very ingrained in the team. But difference between Stemp and Hags is about $1.3, and they may make a move. Scoring and size were the two things they needed most, and they haven't forcefully addressed it IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 8:31 am EST

You all need to remember. 900K and less can be sent down or loaned to Europe with no cap hit. These guys are in case the kids can't take a spot. Frankly, if the kids can't be better than these lower end signings they don't belong in the NHL. Also, if kids are getting upset that a spot isn't left open for them...well they are probably not the right mentality for being a pro athlete.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 19 2014 8:16 am EST

Yeah JFC, but what if we don't like the purpose? Lol. Pretty obvious they're loading up on speed & skill best they can, but the lack of snarl is now ALARMING. And for a team that needed scoring, okay, I'll give them Lombardi as a reclamation project scored because he has some resume. But Stempniak isn't a scorer anymore. Why not use those two salaries to land a pirer scorer? IDK, maybe theyre looking to get to Xmas and alert it all out. Not that I don't like Stamp, good player & usually you take all you can get. But we gotta tool up here for the wars. Can't think you're going to outrun trouble in the NHL. These fuckers catch you.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 8:08 am EST

If I were the Rangers yutes, I'd be pretty depressed right now. For the time bring, at least, they are being blocked by imports and being given the message that the brass does not think they are ready for prime time. And yeah, it could very well be that Sather is setting up for a trade to bring in a bigger fish and is going to trade a young vet or 2 to land him. We have gotten speedy, VERSATILE forwards who fit AVs mold and are less expensive than what they are replacing. That versatility gives Sather FLEXIBILITY to make another move or two, if not in the near future, then at the deadline. Gotta give the Rangers brass credit for methodical, consistent maneuvering in executing these moves with a definite purpose.

JFC31


Sat Jul 19 2014 4:43 am EST

I'll ammend that only slightly. They desperately needed a righty shot on LW. If they're intention is to try Stempniak in Puliot's old spot, well, not terrible, not great.Stemp did score 27 goals once, but that was 8 years ago and I doubt that's what they're thinking. Maybe they're still looking to add A Carter or Winnick type for the 4th line, but this seems like redundancy to me.Both Lombardi and Stamp are smaller, speedy versatile types, not unlike Carl Hagelin. And maybe something is brewing to move Hags for a piece like Evander Kane. You'd have to throw in Klein to make the $ work, and again,this kind of clogs their roster up without a definitive move towards size or scoring. Also seems pretty obvious Danny Kristo isn't in their plans.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 4:12 am EST

Another forward under 6 ft? oh boy.....they're really intent on sticking with this whistle-to-whistle AV-inspired crapola... good hockey player, not killing the move. He likely replaces Dorsett who brought zero offense, and this is a fella with 30-something points.... But THIS is the kind of move, when Rick Nash is getting his brains bashed in and no one does a fucking thing about it, its because a roster spot & resources went to a guy like this rather than a Carter or Winnick.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:54 am EST

I would not have signed Stempniak for this team. Third-line output these days. Will be with Lombardi and Hags, Im guessing.

Messier11


Sat Jul 19 2014 12:24 am EST

Let's bring in TODD BERTUZZI to insert on our 4th line.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 18 2014 11:47 pm EST

the way I see the forward lines shaping up? Nash-Step-Kid K; MZA-Brass-Stemp;Hags-Lombardi-St. Louis; Glass-Moore-Miller/FAST/GOONTBD...Pretty much a small fast.smart quick veteran team..Hopefully kids like MIller, Lindber, Fast can help more and more as the season goes along

Hospo


Fri Jul 18 2014 11:23 pm EST

STEMPINAK for 1 year...Exactly what I was expecting to finish out the roster (well, either he or Winnik or )...A solid dependable flexible forward who can skate and has some skill...Again, fits in wioth what the Rangers are trying to ice...just like Lombardi.....Thankfully, the Rangers were not convinced that the youths could perform cocnisistently on the top 3 lines, of which I totally agree..This lets Miller and FAST fight for one 4th line spot and the loser join LINDBERG in getting morevexperience in Hartford and hopefully be ready to help during the season..Good move by the Rangers....Short term little risk..Alot of flexibility..

Hospo


Fri Jul 18 2014 9:53 pm EST

Lee Stempniak. One year deal.

Fivehole


Fri Jul 18 2014 7:48 pm EST

from yesterday:...http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/summer-2014-new-york-rangers-prospect-rankings-1-12.html

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 7:09 pm EST

Would I trade Nash for Bobby Ryan? Uh........no.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 18 2014 6:31 pm EST

stevie: Huh??? Sounds like blue microdot to me dude!!! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 5:03 pm EST

Thu Jul 17 2014 8:35 pm EST Going deep in the POs is indeed nothing to scoff at and being content at finishing 2nd (or 4th) is totally an individual choice. My choice? Winning it all. RF4L .... Sather is cup hunting..... Sounds like twins...fire both? .....you take the HIGH road, he'll take the low road....the tortoise and the hare....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 18 2014 4:36 pm EST

Kulikov re-ups with the Panthers ($4.333 p/y for 3 yrs) :http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=726641&navid=nhl:topheads ........ http://www.capgeek.com/panthers/

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 4:27 pm EST

Mf: You crazy man. Keep stuffing that bowl!! Lol.

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 3:13 pm EST

Damn, my "Trade Du Jour" post got effed up..... Should read: NASH to the JETS, KANE to the SENATORS, BOBBY RYAN to NEW YORK...... Simply Mah-ve-lous Dah-Lings..... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 3:02 pm EST

Rf: To simplify this, whatever Ottawa sent to Anaheim last year, the return is, or could be, 1 year of Bobby Ryan, and 4 years of Evander Kane.... Toke away, and get some milk & cookies.........

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:41 pm EST

Let me see, un-plug Nash, plug in Bobby Ryan......... "AHHH, No Cup Hunting Fo Yu !!! ....... Bullshit.......Lay off "the Haze" unless you're on tour with the band!" :>)

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:37 pm EST

Good for you brutha, keep on truckin....... Now, this trade can get done... Kane at $5.9mill for the next 4 yrs seems like a very attractive salary in "today's" market place.... Ryan at 27 isn't going to sign for that....... This is not a bad deal for Ottawa, nor is it a bad deal for the Jets.... I read that there's pressure on the Jets management to go much further in the play-offs than they have been with a fairly mature team... "IF" Kane has been somewhat of a distraction (& he has, he's on trade rumors every other day) & obtaining Nash, who is a damn good guy, Winnipeg may view this as very positive..... All jmo's

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:36 pm EST

How's this for a more plausible possible deal: John Moore and Danny Kristo for Jimmy Hayes and Alek Petrovic?

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:32 pm EST

And let me repeat: Sather is NOT moving Nash. No way, no how. Sather is cup hunting and he most assuredly views Nash, like it or not and rightly or wrongly, as one of the key centerpieces to achieving that goal. Now fast forward to this time next and still no cup (and perhaps a horrible year even), that stance will almost equally assuredly change. Nash will likely be shopped, or in the very least, made available. However, he'll be a year older and if his POs are yet again disappointing (or worse, he suffers another concussion), the return will be minimal, if he's trade-able at all. And for the record, I'm not disagreeing with the notion of getting either Kane or Ryan (although Kane is a tad worrisome because of his growing reputation) - just saying it ain't gonna happen.

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:27 pm EST

mf: Hell yeah - keeps me young!

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:26 pm EST

Evander Kane is a 1st round pick (1/4) turns 23 next month, is signed for the next 4 years at $5.9mill, and they gave up a 1st rounder in a not so deep draft... Ottawa took on risk, big deal, and if we have to send over something from the farm of OUR liking but also reasonable,,, get er done.... At your age, you're still smokin?

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:22 pm EST

RF: It's been over 30 yrs since bonging..... We most certainly CAN afford the return salary... Anything coming back at less than $7.8million is "Cap Room."

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:22 pm EST

BTW, Ryan cost the Senators last summer a first (the Rangers don't have one of those until 2016), a bonafide upcoming top 6 forward (that would be Hagelin or perhaps Zukester) and a mid-level prospect (that would Skeji). Ain't happening, but please, pass around that bong! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 1:19 pm EST

mf: You're bonging again dude. Nash ain't being traded and the Rangers cannot afford the return going the other way for Kane (or Ryan).

RF4L


Fri Jul 18 2014 12:55 pm EST

My thinking is Winnipeg may be listening to trades for Kane & if Kane is unhappy with Winnipeg, some aspect of Winnipeg is also unhappy with him..... Ryan is an UFA after this season, IMO he's going to test free agency, and want to play on a competitor.. I don't see him in a Senators jersey next season..... Therefore, he may be willing to commit long term to us before this season... H'es being paid $5,100,000 this year, if the Rangers were willing to go $6.25-$7mill for 5 or 6 years we'd have him tied up for the prime years of his career. He turned 27 this past March.... B.Ryan....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4985

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 12:44 pm EST

mf- objectively, why would Winnepeg move even inconsistent Kane for Nash? Why would Ottawa trade Bobby Ryan at all?

Messier11


Fri Jul 18 2014 12:41 pm EST

M11: This trade is simple compared to the last scenario... Last time I had Nash & Joe T. going to Ottawa.... San Jose is out of this. This is 3 teams, each moving 1 player... Nash to Winnipeg, Kane to Ottawa, Bobby Ryan to New York...... and BTW, Shaving Sucks!

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 12:37 pm EST

Rabbit: Would you trade Nash for Bobby Ryan? This is the end result and "the point")

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 12:09 pm EST

MF, you gonna do this all summer? Its unrealistic. They're not trading Nash, not now.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 18 2014 11:54 am EST

mf thats not your trade of the day, thats your trade for every day. Its starting to grow whiskers!

Messier11


Fri Jul 18 2014 11:45 am EST

Today would be incomplete without a, "TRADE DU JOUR!" ....... NASH to the Jets for EVANDER KANE.... KANE to the SENATORS for BOBBY RYAN....(RYAN would need to agree to a sign & trade to Ranger Brass likings) .. This is perfect.... Jets lose their headache, pick up a great talent in Nash, and they have the CAP Space..... Ottawa continues to get younger, and Kane is signed for the next 4 years.... we "theoretically" would free up some cap space, pick up a RHS, get younger....... I have sold myself on this one, could it work? :>)

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 10:11 am EST

From what I have read, and who knows if its true. Nash has a NTC that takes over for his NMC after this season. (Cap geek has that same info) some place I saw that his NTC is a modified one, he gives a list of teams. Not sure if its a "I will accept a trade to X teams" or if its a " I will not accept a trade to X teams" however even if its not one of those, they can still ask him to waive it. Cap geek also says that his NTC/NMC may not be valid due to his last trade. I guess each and every one is different, and its based on the contract. I Imagine though his agent was smart enough to put the verbiage in there to make sure it remained active even post trade. SO really if Nash doesn't bring what the team likes this season he could be shopped at the draft next year, or leading up to it. But if he does what the team asks than he will stay. Also don't forget, the cap should go up 6-7 mil next season with out the NHLPA 5% kicker, 6-7 mil should be the growth and the new TV deal.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 18 2014 10:02 am EST

Glencross, your talkin Hospo's language of yesteryear, and the Jets can forget about it costing 12 assets because Kane has built a risk factor into his trade value due to the public hints of not being pleased with management (IMO) ....... Robbing Peter to pay Paul, "I see just one way out there, and most just can't go out that door!" :>) ..... and that would be, trading Nash... "IF" the probability that Nash will be moved after this season, then we would only be moving up the date...... Based on what his peers are asking for, Brassard may not be asking for too much.. Hopefully, it's standard bargaining where Sather low-balled the player & his agent, they countered high, and they'll meet in the middle..... if not, the arbitrator will, and we have Brassard for at least 1 yr, and this season to figure out what to do with his situation......

mf


Fri Jul 18 2014 9:54 am EST

Rabid: Yeah Brooks only gets one side of the story and doesn't qualify what he rights. If he said "is asking for" and made it realistic that they wouldn't get that much to would look better, but his stuff reads as if its facts. Player is asking for 4.5, so that burns 4.5 per of cap space.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 18 2014 9:47 am EST

Haha...true WILD. That's cause Brooks gets those numbers from the players' agents. Hey, here's something nice to see on a hot July day. Kreider working out http://instagram.com/p/qj-jc9OrCe/?modal=true

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 18 2014 9:42 am EST

When it comes to the contract values Brooks tosses out...let's look not so long ago when McD would not sign for less than Giradi at 5.5 and that Hank would not sign for less than 9 mil and would probably get 9.5-9.75 cap hit. Brooks is notorious for finding the highest possible contract number he can find rumor of and attaching it to said player as nearly a fact of what they will sign for. He than adds those numbers to the total cap hit of the team, but leaves 15 F and 9D in the calculations to show how bad the cap situation is and how stupid the Rangers are being. When non of it comes true as he writes mid summer no one calls him out, and the next summer he is quoted as if he knows something once again.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 18 2014 9:24 am EST

Ola/JFC - I agree completely. I think Kevin HAYES would help us forget POULIOT pretty quickly. He doesn't have the same edge as Pouliot, IMO. Skill-wise, I think that'd be a good swap though...and Jimmy HAYES-for-BOYLE in the lineup? Another good swap. If the Hayes boys can be folded into the mix, I'd be a lot more comfortable with those losses to the UFA market...on POULIOT - He's a solid, third-line player....that's what he's always been. You look at his stats and they're actually remarkably consistent. Is he worth $4 million? probably not. He might be in a couple years the way contracts are going...He's a big skilled forward who can play either a checking role or scoring role. That versatility is valuable...I think what you'll see from him is 15 or 16 goals and about as many helpers. He'll fit well with the stable of young kids Edmonton has and I think if there's going to be a downside to him going there, it will be that he'll get called overpaid. No one is going to think he's worth $4 million when he ends the season with 35-40 points.

tdchi


Fri Jul 18 2014 7:45 am EST

As for Brassard, he would be a fool if he doesn't back down from his reported asking price. He's found a linemate that he meshes well with in Zucc....other than last seasons playoffs and this season just passed, his career has been a disappointment for a 1st rounder. I have no problem trading him because Zucc doesn't need Brassard to succeed.

JFC31


Fri Jul 18 2014 7:38 am EST

Ola -- yep, Poo had good height, but he was a twig. Hayes seems to be a bit more solid, but at 205lbs he can still add some good muscle weight without slowing down. I have a feeling Edmonton is gonna regret giving Poo that long-term contract....he seems like the kind of guy who is going to lose his hunger now that he has a secure future.

JFC31


Fri Jul 18 2014 7:06 am EST

Boomer, who happens to be the fly on the wall when it comes to the Rangers, dropped a little hint awhile back when he said there is no way the Rangers would not sign Kreider and Zucc. He hinted that if Brass was unreasonable he would be traded. We seem to be looking to sign centers?

gene_carr


Fri Jul 18 2014 6:52 am EST

tdchi- Kevin has real good size too. He is listed at 6'3, the same as Pouliots highest listings, but he is easily bigger than Poo for example.

Ola


Fri Jul 18 2014 6:49 am EST

RF4L - Indeed...Jimmy and Kevin are brothers...I said a few weeks ago when I mentioned Kevin: Jimmy is actually the one more suited for what the Rangers need. At 6'6 and 225, he's a big forward who could one day have the size of a guy like Boyle, but who has wheels and good hands...he would actually be just about a perfect replacement...also as a product of the USNDTP, he has some history with KRISTO and BOURQUE, plus he played two full seasons at BC with KREIDER...I don't know what the Panthers would want for him...probably not a whole lot...he's going to arbitration now as an RFA...will probably get a slight raise...but the Panthers just signed a bunch of forwards for their top nine...and have 13 forwards under contract before considering what they have in the minors...And Kevin...not as physical...not as big, but definitely a guy who could chip in on the third line. I would love to see those two on a line with MILLER.

tdchi


Fri Jul 18 2014 6:12 am EST

9 Mill for Brass and Zucc! I hate the cap. Eric Staal makes 8.25, I would hate to lose Zucc but if they sign 1 year deals no way they both sign along with Marc Staal before next July. It's all about the $ for these guys.

Pal17


Thu Jul 17 2014 11:41 pm EST

Paul Bissonette is available. BizNasty. 2nd best player on Twitter after Luongo.

Bob


Thu Jul 17 2014 11:39 pm EST

rhet, just anticipating the next part of this, which prospects might they deal? Depends on what Calgary would want, but Glencross isn't the only attractive mid-range guy out there either. I'd count guys like Ladd from WPG, Perron fro EDM and even Chris Stewart as possibilities. Each brings their own challenges in making a deal. But if its a prospect & pick going the other way, I think NYR afford it rather easily. However, its going to STING a little bit, at a minimum You want to plug an NHL-ready guy into your Top 9 or Top 6 (what we're really looking for to replace Puliot), well, nothings for nothing. Prospects-wise, for me Lindberg is untouchable. High quality two-way centers are too valuable, being able to line Oscar behind Step & Brass for years is depth few teams can match. McIlrath is their most unique prospect, the guy I'd fight hardest to keep. But in the end we're going for a Cup here, can't be an asshole about it negotiating with other teams and say everyone's off limits. Depends on the deal. Danny Kristo is, to my eye, the purest scorer in the entire organization, including Rick Nash. But he's UFA after this year and 24. are they going to give him a real shot? If not, the kid deserves an opportunity for a career. They got him to be a goal scorer, he had 24 (and was a net EVEN, on a lousy team, which you never hear with all the talk of his D deficiencies). Idk what happens with him, but he's got to be in the mix. You already have the 3 No. 1s, Miller, Skjei, and McI, plus DuClair, Allen, this kid Keegan Iverson is a moose, Fast who Im not crazy about but AV seems to like, there are a few others, the Brody Duponts and Haggertys, etc,. Its not a bad stable, but we do need to make a little withdrawal for the here & now. This is a BIG year coming. Sather should be able to cobble something together and make the $ work when the time's right.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:42 pm EST

Not true. Listed 4 guys today counting agaist cap that are unlikely to highly unlikely to make team, combined $2.7. If, just gor instance, they were to ship JTs 800k that covers it right, before any savings Sather has after his chisels our RFAs. im not going to eorry about every penny now, too many variables.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:29 pm EST

We don't have the cap space to fit him. Miller makes a third of what Glencross does. You can't put a square peg into a round hole.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:15 pm EST

Flames wanted a good prospect & pick last year, supposedly. We have 3 No.1 picks in minors not even penciled in lineup, unless you count Miller, which I dont. Lots more where they came from. Sather should be able to make a deal like that lickity split.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:04 pm EST

MF... If Brooks is correct and Brassard is looking for $5.5 Million per, that throws a monkey wrench into our salary cap. Maybe we should look at trading him? I'm sure his demands are in no small part due to Dubinsky's deal. He's also asking for more than Stepan with less production. On the bright side, Kreider and Zuccarello seem to be around where they were expected to be.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 17 2014 9:52 pm EST

Rabid... With what assets can we make any move? Any part we trade now is pretty much an integral one. We'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 17 2014 9:06 pm EST

Glencross talking extension with Flames but no hometown discount. He'd be perfect mid-level wing to bring in. Wont cost 12 assets like Sharp or Kane. This NYR team has do many questions, from Nash to prospects, they may need wholesale changes if they cant go deep anyway. Would be a very reasonable move.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 8:36 pm EST

Optimist

mf


Thu Jul 17 2014 8:35 pm EST

Going deep in the POs is indeed nothing to scoff at and being content at finishing 2nd (or 4th) is totally an individual choice. My choice? Winning it all.

RF4L


Thu Jul 17 2014 3:01 pm EST

Me too! Im so sick and tired of the Rangers never making it deep in the playoffs….wait….what?

Messier11


Thu Jul 17 2014 2:43 pm EST

Hospo: Dude! I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist!

RF4L


Thu Jul 17 2014 1:22 pm EST

NICK - That's the spirit!...Believe me, it's not a roster I love or the way I would build it, but it has some good points..and they are going to be slick and fast....And NASH is gonna kick ass this year!! :) That is if all of them aren't pounded into the ice in the regular season!

Hospo


Thu Jul 17 2014 1:14 pm EST

Ah, Hospo, you know how I can be. I get cranky. Truthfully at this point with the squad, age etc. is irrelevant to me also. Nash is borderline done for as a big-time threat and is a playoff zero; Hank has 3-4 years before he gets average; MSL is already sliding. Might as well go for any gusto possible with yet another cut-and-paste job.

Nick


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:53 pm EST

http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/summer-2014-new-york-rangers-prospect-rankings-1-12.html

puckyou


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:50 pm EST

I asked this before but I'll ask again. Nothing impresses me, and who's our number 1 center now?

rangerfan2000


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:17 pm EST

WILD _ Exactly..Unelss the Rangers turn him into a 4th line forward, no, he's not what I'm talking about..A protector on the backline can cause too many line-up issues when he leaves the game...Much easier to cover for a 4th line forward then a 3rd pair D man and why you don't see too many D-men playing that role ...Actually, come to think of it, KLEIN is probably the Rangers 2nd best fghter right now

Hospo


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:09 pm EST

Not a goon, and not a forward, but if ready and if he can force his way onto the Rangers roster, MacIlrath can fill the role of protector at least to some extent, only issue is, thats NOT what you want him for...its a nice part of his game, but you want him roughing guys up playing decent minutes, not sitting in the box.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:06 pm EST

RF4L - WHy? because you are a Ranger pessimist who always thinks the worst is going to Happen!!..Kidding aside, you could be right...I get the feeling that MZA will be taken care..and Kreider will have to wait his turn after getting slpped down this go round.....But I can see that happening to BRASSARD who I think Sather will fight tooth and nail if he has to in arbitration..

Hospo


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:02 pm EST

There is always a difference between what we would like to have and what the Rangers can get or are likely to do..In trying to be reasonable, I think the RANGERS need and will get one more player to compete (with guys like Miller, Fast, etc..) for a remaining Top 9 opening...It could be a vet (Stemp, Winnik, whoever) could be a college kid like Hayes or, who knows, maybe Sather goes after Straka and Hollweg form Czech! (JK).....There's another move I think they should make but doubt they do..I'm fine with GLASS on the 4th line..AV loves him and he will profides some jam, hiotting, PK, defense, and even a little protection...Even with GLASS, I think the Rangers could use a QUASI-GOON for 30-40 games, but what if GLASS gets hurt, which isn't that unlikely? There IS NOBODY in the entire organization to help and protect the smallish Rangers...Hell, even the punching bags and wannabes are gone----Carcillo, DOrsett, Asham, mashinter, Beach, Haley, Newberry...Or does Hartford have some AHL goon on their roster?

Hospo


Thu Jul 17 2014 11:32 am EST

Why do I get the impression both Brassard and MZA will end up with 1 year arbitraded deals and be UFAs next summer? If that happens, it'll mean those 2 plus Staal will be looking for huge $$ then.

RF4L


Thu Jul 17 2014 11:25 am EST

Very true Wild; things tend to loosen up before rosters are finalized, if not before; also teams evaluate during their camps and get surprises and people go on the block; same goes for the Rangers, who need to be real careful with any deals involving their top tier prospects, because several have a high burnability factor if dealt; while ive seen enough of Jesper Fast(h), he of the cosmetic name change, to my mind they still have 3-5 others that need 15-20 games to guage them; Miller, Lindberg, McIlrath, Kristo, Allen. And it sounds like Bourque is pretty darn close to being able to help somebody.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 11:22 am EST

NICK--I can still remember Big Whistle Chadwick talking about Gene Carr......"this kid couldn't put the puck in ocean from the end of a pier." Classic indeed.

Bob


Thu Jul 17 2014 11:10 am EST

Rabid: Agree. They are not done. Once the RFAs contracts a set that will set the tone for what they do moving forward. Is it more depth? Is it a trade? Is it a "leftover" wing that has the ability to play on the 2nd/3rd or 4th line? It will also depend on what other teams have going on. A teams RFA gets more than they hoped and they need to move cap it, there may be "cheap" trades to be made. Lots of stuff can go on. But I really doubt we have seen the last move.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:30 am EST

100% agree on lack of toughness last year; that said, 100% they're not done. They know what's at stake after coming so close, they're supposed to take the next final steps here. They're right to be cautious at this stage I think, until they have a firmer grasp on where certain players (McIlrath, Miller, Lindberg, Kristo, etc) are, and only camp/preseason will tell. They have some maneuverability under the cap people aren't realizing, with Hunwick/Kosta/Mueller & Fast ($2.65M) all listed - and most if not all unlikely to make the team - and $13m in space left to sign RFAs. In addition, Sather will chisel out a few mil in negotiations or with some fancy bookkeeping, and they'll be real close to being able to afford a $4-5M player. Anything else, the other team may have to chip in and pick up $ome, but that also doesn't take into account any salaries we might be sending the other way.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:27 am EST

TD: I think Jimmy Hayes (all 6'6" of him) is Kevin's older brother. He was drafted by the Leafs and moved to the Hawks (in the Versteeg trade I think) and now is a Panther. He scored 11 goals and 18 points in 53 games but apparently is a big softie, putting up only 18 minutes. It would be cool if the Rangers signed Kevin and traded for Jimmy. At 6'6" perhaps he'd make a decent 4th liner....

RF4L


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:25 am EST

td: I won't try to say everything is perfect. However, I want to take a stab at some stuff. Production: IMHO Kreider being a year older along with some other younger guys like Zucc will be better (or should be!) that along with Miller added in most of the production that Pouliot and BRich gave will be made up. I also think if he makes the roster Lombardi will pick up the rest. Its not like the production lost was incredible...Stralls, BRich, Pouliot and Boyle combined for 42 goals and 76 assists. Or 1.43 points per game. Seems like a lot until you break it down. Boyle who I forgot to mention (Dan that is) will also help in this area. Each of the 4 "replacements" will need to average 10.5 goals, and 19 assists or 29.5 points (.36 per game) to equal what the lost players produced. Its not an insurmountable goal. With Kreider probably being a little more productive the replacements will need to do a little less to :break even" SO with that, production is not a concern to me. Size has been lost, even though Boyle wasn't aggressive, he was really hard to play against just due to how big he was, so that is a bit of a concern, and I know I want to see that change at least a little. Now BRich was not physical so there is no loss there, and if Miller gets in the lineup he will replace what Pouliot brought so I think that part of it is even. Also, HOPEFULLY Boyle brings some help for the PP, if he does the lack of physicality will be offset by teams not wanting to put the Rangers on the PP, and they will not need to be as physically imposing since teams will want to go a little less hard at them. Not that its OK to be smaller, but it can't be overlooked. I would like to see a couple moves made perhaps...of course it would mean trades, and I do like the players the Rangers have so it would suck to see them go. But for the right move it MAY be worth it. Still though, especially on the production side of things it doesn't look all that bad.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:25 am EST

td: I won't try to say everything is perfect. However, I want to take a stab at some stuff. Production: IMHO Kreider being a year older along with some other younger guys like Zucc will be better (or should be!) that along with Miller added in most of the production that Pouliot and BRich gave will be made up. I also think if he makes the roster Lombardi will pick up the rest. Its not like the production lost was incredible...Stralls, BRich, Pouliot and Boyle combined for 42 goals and 76 assists. Or 1.43 points per game. Seems like a lot until you break it down. Boyle who I forgot to mention (Dan that is) will also help in this area. Each of the 4 "replacements" will need to average 10.5 goals, and 19 assists or 29.5 points (.36 per game) to equal what the lost players produced. Its not an insurmountable goal. With Kreider probably being a little more productive the replacements will need to do a little less to :break even" SO with that, production is not a concern to me. Size has been lost, even though Boyle wasn't aggressive, he was really hard to play against just due to how big he was, so that is a bit of a concern, and I know I want to see that change at least a little. Now BRich was not physical so there is no loss there, and if Miller gets in the lineup he will replace what Pouliot brought so I think that part of it is even. Also, HOPEFULLY Boyle brings some help for the PP, if he does the lack of physicality will be offset by teams not wanting to put the Rangers on the PP, and they will not need to be as physically imposing since teams will want to go a little less hard at them. Not that its OK to be smaller, but it can't be overlooked. I would like to see a couple moves made perhaps...of course it would mean trades, and I do like the players the Rangers have so it would suck to see them go. But for the right move it MAY be worth it. Still though, especially on the production side of things it doesn't look all that bad.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:24 am EST

I dont think we are done by any means however, we are done for the moment. Nothing can really get done until we have the RFAs locked up. It would be insanity to further hamstring yourself going into those arbitrations/negotiations which is why I believe they are trying to get those contracts done asap before the arb hearings. Whether it is this Hayes kid and/or a trade (insert your flavor de jour here- Kane/Thornton/Clifford- please! even Carbomb) those things simply cant happen until the RFAs get done.

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:22 am EST

mf: Kane ain't coming to NY - bank on that! First, the Rangers can't afford his cap hit and second, what they'd have to cough up (Stepan, Skeji and a first - which would be in 2016), they cannot afford either.

RF4L


Thu Jul 17 2014 10:01 am EST

rabid......part of me thinks the job is done..... never imagined them going into last year as soft as they were. Part of me thinks that the signings of all the career minor leaguers is because we are between a rock and a hard place....we have to promote the likes of Miller, Fast and Lindburg and the recent signings are to replace them. I hope your right in that they are not done.......but part of me thinks they are

jnyr


Thu Jul 17 2014 9:11 am EST

You're welcome, Brooksie: "The Rangers have targeted pending free-agent winger Kevin Hayes, the 22-year-old Boston College graduate who was selected 24th overall by the Blackhawks in the 2010 Entry Draft, but who will be eligible to hit the open market on Aug. 16 if he does not sign with Chicago by Aug. 15, The Post has learned. Hayes, who is continuing to negotiate with the Blackhawks, is expected to be pursued by numerous NHL clubs. Several industry sources report they believe the Rangers will be among a handful of finalists in the bidding for the 6-foot-3, 205-pound left-handed shooting right wing, who played two seasons with Chris Kreider, should he become a free agent. A finalist for the Hobey Baker award given to the NCAA’s best player, Hayes recorded 65 points (27-38) for the Eagles as a senior while playing on a line with Hobey Baker winner Johnny Gaudreau, the center who joined the Flames for the final game of their season after having been selected 104th overall by Calgary in 2011. Several NHL talent evaluators told The Post they believe Hayes, who did not attend Chicago’s prospect camp last week after having done so in each of the previous four summers, likely would have been selected between 15th and 25th had he been eligible to re-enter the 2014 draft. He is regarded as an offensive talent perhaps a bit lacking in the ability to grind. Hayes, who is eligible/required to sign a two-year Entry Level deal regardless of whether he signs with Chicago or becomes a free agent, would have a shot to make the Rangers with a strong training camp. The Blueshirts appear to have vacancies on their third and fourth lines. Having traded their first-round draft picks in 2013, 2014 and 2015, the Rangers have been aggressive in attempting to sign undrafted college free agents in order to stock their system. Within the last 18 months, they have added defenseman Connor Allen out of UMass-Amherst; defenseman Mat Bodie out of Union College; center Chris McCarthy out of Vermont; and winger Ryan Haggerty out of RPI."

tdchi


Thu Jul 17 2014 8:59 am EST

I know those guys couldnt have been dealt Gene; just sayin imagine, because that was an awful lot to lose in one shot, mightve crippled some teams. We're actually in relatively good shape considering job isnt done.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 8:52 am EST

York - So in your words, explain to me how the team makes up for the off-season loses in a. production; b. physicality; and c. size. So far you've said Miller.

tdchi


Thu Jul 17 2014 7:15 am EST

For the first time in memory the team is being constructed as a whole and not a collection of names. I happen to think this is a good thing and that there are assets who will not make the cut but will be moved for more assets. Reflecting on the loss of Strallman, Puliot. and Boyle and what they may have brought back in trades, well, they could not be traded given the run we were on and consider what they cost: two free agent signings and one third round draft choice. Before the next playoff series begins there will be a trade or two and the emergence of a rookie or two that will change the composition of our projected line up. What I feel very comfortable with is that there will be an assembly of matching parts.

gene_carr


Thu Jul 17 2014 6:59 am EST

TD I think the loss of Boyle will be felt dorsett? Not at all, pouls I'm not sure he put up his same numbers he just didn't dog it away from the puck and the better question is was it brass and zucc who made him look better than he is? We didn't get bigger but we certainly haven't gotten worse. The loss of cally? Sorry this team didn't feel his loss, Richards? Liked him but was slowing down and this team brought out his slower speed so addition by subtraction and if your god miller can manage to play he should more than make up for pouls physical play

York18


Thu Jul 17 2014 6:51 am EST

One point on POULIOT......there's a reason he bounced around as much as he did.......when was the last time he put together 2 good years in a row.....or one good year in a row!!!!! Now with a lucrative long term deal he is going to show motivation???? Talk about playing with fire...

jnyr


Thu Jul 17 2014 6:49 am EST

York nyr won't make the playoffs . I predict dead last so they can tank . Just like this past season predictions from many here...The queens killed the king and the nyr in 3 ot games which they should have won in regulation but nhl got in the way. If they were shootouts like regular season or soccer they being hoisting and drinking from the cup. But why let some facts and opinions get in the way of the reality of to some it was pure luck and sather hasn't a clue . And veenyo didn't create a TEAM with chemistry and commraderie . And no way can they do it next season again. They can't even make ice, they lost the formula. ... Look at the playpen roster and their first place finish and what happened to them their gm and coach if you need proof that a great roster doesn't mean THE CUP. ... Opine about the lost guys and the ones still here and the new ones and decide before the season starts they're toast. ....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 17 2014 6:26 am EST

And for the record, no, I don't think the west 'walked all over us' in the finals. Never said that. In fact, I even said afterward the Rangers came three bad bad calls and several bad bounces away from wining it all. I personally believe that series could have gone either way, even though LA was the deeper, more-talented team. Only given the moves this past month, that series and its results are ancient history.

tdchi


Thu Jul 17 2014 6:22 am EST

York - So you think the absence of Pouliot, Dorsett and Boyle --three of the Rangers most physical forwards --isn't going to change that equation? Yes the Rangers get faster with Lombardi. I don't, however, see how anyone could say they're as-physical of a team as the one that lost in five. They've also lost a lot of size...and I know Boyle is often criticized for his speed...But he was a monster in the playoffs. I don't know if/how you can say with a straight face that the team they have now would fare BETTER against LA, which essentially has the same team...So faster? Perhaps. But more apt to win? I'd like to hear that argument.

tdchi


Thu Jul 17 2014 6:03 am EST

TD yeah we saw what happened in the cup finals we were out played in every game, we were blown out, and didn't look like we belonged in that series at all. Oh wait that's not what happened at all! If you just look at the wins and losses in the series it looks that way the question is dd you see what happened in the finals because the west didn't walk all over us.

York18


Thu Jul 17 2014 3:29 am EST

REVAMPING TO COMPETE IN THE EAST: 5 TEAMS THAT MADE BIG CHANGES ... http://fulltilthockeynetwork.com/2014/07/compete-in-east/

mf


Thu Jul 17 2014 3:25 am EST

Possible rule changes which may make their way to the NHL. (worth a read) http://fulltilthockeynetwork.com/2014/07/ahl-made-rule-changes-nhl-next/

mf


Thu Jul 17 2014 2:55 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/07/17/boston-college-graduate-kevin-hayes-on-rangers-radar/

mf


Thu Jul 17 2014 1:45 am EST

It's a damn quagmire, and its going to continue next year too unless we see another substantial increase in cap space........I like the Lombardi signing, very satisfied that the Org. is looking at foreign markets for talent, it's reassuring..... seems like there's an Evander Kane rumor every day, yesterdays was that the Jets were looking for a young center with potential, (JT Miller?) FYI, Kane is a Lefty..... Bobby Ryan (RHS) is an UFA at the end of this season, wrapping up a $5.1mill contract.. Ottawa is a ship taking on water, and Ryan may want out to play on a competitor. Seems like the top tier teams are right up against the cap ceiling, and our top 3 nemesis Philthy, Boston, Shitzburg are in Cap Hell. :>).... So landing Ryan (and signing him to a new contract), while a pipe dream, seems like a possibility..... My late night math figures we have approx $14.1-$14.2 mill to sign our remaing 4 guys.. If Sather can get them signed for $12.75 mill, we'd have approx $1.45--$1.525 mill for a rainy day.. (JMoore $1.5mill, Kreider $2.325mill (a $1million raise), Brassard $4.25mill ($1mill raise), Zucc $4.5mill ...... These darn possibilities are endless....... :>)

mf


Thu Jul 17 2014 1:19 am EST

See, the Lombardi signing isn't bad, per se...I just don't see it as something that adds anything the team lacks or lost. The Rangers can be the fastest team in the league, but if they're small and aphysical...well...they're going to run into some serious problems once they get out west...There's a very good likelihood that the top four teams out there will be LA, Chicago, Anaheim and St. Louis...all four are big...and all four are pretty damn physical...During the regular season, the out-run-em style could work...but in the post season? Well, we saw how it went versus LA...and that was before we shed three of our serious checking forwards...here's the other thing: The Rangers have an absolute DEARTH of capable right-handed shots up front. Here's who you got: STEPAN...Period...if Chris MUELLER makes the team, he's number two...That leaves you with four...possibly five righties on the whole team...an interesting side note: Rookies Jesper Fast, Chris McCarthy, Ryan Haggerty and Danny Kristo are all righties...keep an eye on that...now, when I'm thinking about lines, I don't see any way you can work things without shaking up the lineup...you can't put MSL and Zucc on the same line because then you have a dearth of size...so move Kreider down and have your top two be MSL-Step-Nash, Krieder-Brassard-Zucc...that's solid...then on third, do Fast-Moore-Hagelin and Miller-Lombardi-Glass...You pretty much have to have Mills in, because he's one of the few forwards that actually plays a physical game. He and Kreider would need to pretty much help Glass with the heavy lifting on the team...which I think would run you into trouble against a real physical opponent...As for whether Sather is done or not...He's painted himself into a corner. There's not much he can do at this point without opening up a hole in the lineup somewhere...any trade will require cap space going the other way...and if that's the case, then we're talking about removing yet ANOTHER piece from the team that just came back from the cup finals...He's between a rock and a hard place right now...and both are about to get a lot harder when all four RFAs sign.

tdchi


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:16 am EST

Nick, Lombardi's last good year was last year. Sure it's the Swiss Lg but he led it, did all he could. Stands to reason he can help us cause he already proved he can excel in NHL when healthy. Meanwhile, Sather's just waiting for right move for a bonafide scorer, then he'll pounce. Whoever it is, if he's got speed, this team is going to be a handful, maybe more exciting than last year ;)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:15 am EST

TDCHI - Great read...Thanks...NICK - I love you man but, jeez, sometimes things aren't as black and white.....Not Like Lombardi hit 28 and started the controversial Big Nick Descent...One hit and he was out for a year...then he hardly played the next two years...because of the same shoulder...If anything, the rest of his body (and his GREAT speed) should be well preserved...No reason he can't give the Rangers two good years at minimal cost economically and in trade chips...Doesn't meant I think he's a savior or know how he will help but gotta love his flexibility and abiiites...I easily feel more confident in him helping the Rangers compared to any of Miller, Fast or LIndberg...But, JT on the 4th line with Glass and Mooore or Lombardi could be rockin...

Hospo


Thu Jul 17 2014 12:05 am EST

Nick/Bob - You know...Rico Fata IS still active...and he's played last year in Finland...was on Geneve Servette two years ago in the Swiss league...same team as Lombardi...MAN...You guys could be onto something! SIGN HIM!!!

tdchi


Wed Jul 16 2014 11:15 pm EST

Bob that's a classic! I read it to the tune ... excellent! 'Signed another ... Rico Fata ...' You da man. So Lombardi is fast. So was Gene Carr (geezer reference alert). As with most players, Lombo was decent between ages 24-28, then hit the skids; last decent season was 2010. Slats had better have an actual move or two involving actual NHL-level forwards in mind, or we are good for 10th or so in the East.

Nick


Wed Jul 16 2014 10:04 pm EST

Been watching a ton of 2013-2014 NYR replays, and it pains me to say this, ... but POULIOT was 10 times the player NASH was.

hipcheck


Wed Jul 16 2014 8:55 pm EST

There ya go, nice bit on Lombardi. Most important part to me is he plays wing as well, not that I doubted he could if needed as he's a natural center. Sometimes cant ask wing to play middle but other way around is a lot easier. So this guy could end up anywhere in the lineup, even replacing Dorsett on 4th line would be huge skill upgrade (the grit issue another story) sounds rarin' to go, Gorton calling him elite skater...pretty interesting move.....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 7:15 pm EST

Per the Rangers: Matthew Lombardi and his family had such a great experience last season when he played in Switzerland that Lombardi, his wife, and two children all expected to return to Geneva again this fall, especially after he signed a multi-year contract extension. However the Lombardis had their life turned a bit upside down in the past day or so when the Rangers approached Matthew's agent with a contract proposal of their own aimed at bringing the 32 year-old forward back to the National Hockey League. After "a crazy 24 hours", Lombardi could not resist what he called "an amazing opportunity" and chose to opt out of his Swiss League contract while agreeing to terms with the Rangers on Tuesday morning. "The plan was to go back--I had signed an extension there, and my family was really happy there--and even though I had the out in my contract I didn't think anything was going to happen (in the NHL) so I wasn't thinking about that too much," explained Lombardi in an exclusive conversation with BlueshirtsUnited.com Tuesday afternoon. "With New York, it just kind of fell into my lap and I just felt like it was an opportunity I couldn't let go...I felt like it was a once in a lifetime chance, especially at my age, and it was a pretty cool opportunity to play for this team with all of the success they have had. I just thought it was good for me." After playing nine years in the NHL--the last three where he was slowed by injuries--Lombardi played in Switzerland a year ago and led the Swiss League in scoring with 50 points in 46 games. His 30 assists also led the league; and perhaps just as importantly he remained healthy and his confidence returned to form. "I had a lot of fun, got some confidence, and had a great experience," Lombardi said of his Swiss adventure, which included leading his team to a Spengler Cup with eight points in three games. "I found my game a bit again, and it was nice in terms of being able to play the full season and not having any major problems physically." With the Rangers seeking depth at the forward position, the versatile Lombardi seems to be a good fit. He can play center or on the wing, is responsible defensively and is a good penalty killer. Lombardi has played in Top Six roles as well as in checking roles and on the fourth line during his nine-year National Hockey League career. As last year showed, he has offensive skill, as well. In the NHL he recorded 53 points with the Coyotes in 2009-10 and reached 20 goals with the Flames in 2006-07. "Matthew is a guy we've always kept our eyes on because he plays the way we like--he's quick, he's versatile, he can play center or he can play wing, he can play up and down your lineup, he kills penalties--there's a lot of things he can do for a hockey team," offered Jeff Gorton, the Rangers assistant general manager. "We're excited at the opportunity to get somebody that fits right in with the way we play." When asked to assess his own style of play, Lombardi emphasized his willingness to try and fill any role the team may need. "My speed is obviously my strength, and I want to come in and chip in in all areas of the game," stated Lombardi, who has 101 goals and 262 points in 536 career NHL games. "I want to be a good two-way guy; and I realize I'm coming in to a team that has had a lot of success and has several amazing players already, so I want to come in and help out any way I can. Whatever it is the coaching staff asks of me, I want to help that way." The Rangers most definitely were intrigued by Lombardi's speed. Adding him to a lineup that already includes elite skaters like Carl Hagelin, Chris Kreider, Mats Zuccarello, Ryan McDonagh, and John Moore really helps mold the type of team into what head coach Alain Vigneault prefers. "We have a coach that likes the fact that we are fast with the puck and fast without it, and when you look at Matthew's game that's what he is--an elite skater," said Gorton. Vigneault, of course, knows Lombardi's game pretty well having coached against him for many years in the Western Conference; but it was another Rangers coach whom Gorton and the front office relied on even more when considering whether or not to sign the veteran free agent. Current Blueshirts assistant Ulf Samuelsson was a Coyotes assistant coach when Lombardi played in Phoenix for one full season and part of another. "Ulf's first reaction was 'Great skater, great guy'," shared Gorton. "He also said (Lombardi's) a guy who can play all over your lineup, and that he's just a good guy to have in your organization because of his character and his skating ability. From the first time we talked with Ulfie (about Lombardi) it was all positive." That was music to Lombardi's ears. "That means a lot to me, that he said those things, because I really hold Ulf in high regard," offered Lombardi, who has played for five different NHL teams. "When I left Phoenix he reached out to me immediately--just always was a great guy, and a great coach." Now Lombardi will be reunited with Samuelsson in New York, and the Montreal native is letting it sink in now that he is indeed back in the NHL and that he is a New York Ranger--and that his Swiss adventure has come to an end. "When this opportunity arrived, it was like Oh, wow, this is pretty awesome!," exclaimed Lombardi. "To come to New York--I mean what an amazing opportunity to play in Madison Square Garden as your home rink. It's pretty cool to be honest with you."

tdchi


Wed Jul 16 2014 7:12 pm EST

I like the Lombardi signing. Next, they should sign Roman Morrone to work on the broadcast. Farging corksuckers.

Bob


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:52 pm EST

BOB - As the Woofah Goofah with the Green Teeth said. "First I look at the Points!"...Really, age and style mean nothing to me, I want the players that will get the job done and help the team win this year..If the kids are good enough, they will rise to the top..

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:51 pm EST

The idea of a real offensive minded defenseman like Boyle back there weaving and hitting these guys on the tape in full flight wasn't part of their arsenal last year.Could make a major difference.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:37 pm EST

Hello Muddah.......Hello Faddah.... Signed another.........Rico Fata........Hospo's happy......no more youngsters........Just another set of retreads.....Kids in Hartford.

Bob


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:33 pm EST

Tell you what; might not recognize this team next year, in a good way. AVs Rangers 2.0. If they EVER add a Sharp or Evander Kane lookout. Mention that cause word is Thornton won't be coming to Broadway. Doesn't skate well enough anymore.could still happen, you never know, its just what I heard.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:29 pm EST

JT Miller is at an age and level,of experience where he has a chance to make huge strides if he's doing the proper training and is being coached by someone who knows what he was doing consistently wrong in game situations that got him in AVs chateau bow-wow. That a being said, I don't think he's a good fit for the Zucc-Brass line. I don't think his skill set fits with what made those 2 successful....I dont think JT thinks the game the way they do. I still think MSL would be a good fit with those 2....eecially of they have time to,work together in pre-season.

JFC31


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:19 pm EST

Hospo: Fair point, especially on Boyle. If Nash, Stepan, Brassard, and Zucc can improve 5-10 points tho, especially the former two, then I think we might have something. Plus you have MSL for a full year. I also can't see them starting the year like they did last season. Can see them anywhere between 95-105 pts if all goes right.

professa


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:02 pm EST

RABID _ LOMBARDI has always been a speed demon..The good thing is he hasn't had any injuries to his knees and ankles...And, really, if you think about his last four years, 1 out with Concussions, two out with Shoulder imnjuries, and then an easy year in SWTZ, there shouldn't be too much wear and tear on his body..He should be raring to go..Just hope his upper body isn't made of glass.....PRoFESSA - alot of assumptions there and what "replacements" might do..Persoannly I don';t think MIller, Fast or Linberg are reaady to contrivute much of anything.....And people say BOYLE will be rep;aced easily...I guess so when it come to the reguaalr season point production..But in other areas and in the POs Where he has consistently been one of the Rangers best, if not THE best, forward in the last three POs..he is going to be hard to replace ..And, really, the POs are the only thing that matters...

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:42 pm EST

Watching some Lombardi footage now; guys got real moves around the net and super speed. How much of that is left IDK, but I'd guess a good amount. PROF, you're right on. These are AV moves, he's casting the team he wants little by little. Most missed it last year, but when he said in preseason he wanted to change the culture, I knew Cally was a goner. All that contract talk was b.s,. dont think they ever made offer they thought he'd accept. IDK what it was that caused AV to feel that way about Cally, but my guess is it had something to do with the mutiny against the last coach.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:31 pm EST

Another point...For those of you who have seen Moneyball you'll understand where I'm coming from...The A's in 2002 had a better record than in 2001 despite losing key offensive contributors (Giambi, Damon) by replacing them in the aggregate with lesser players. I think that's what Slats is trying to do. There are 126 points to replace between Boyle, Richards, Pouliot, Dorsett, and Stralman. Fast replaces Boyle on the 4th line, and I think it's fair to say Fast will have at least 10 more points than Boyle's 2013 total of 18. Lombardi replaces Richards, and I think it would be fair to say Lombardi will get about 30 points by just having an average year. 20 points lost there (Lombardi could very well get in the 40-50 range, which would lessen the loss). Miller replaces Benny, and I think Miller can replicate Benny's production from last year (36 pts). Glass replaces Dorsett, and will equal roughly the same offensive production. D Boyle will outscore Stralman's 13 points by a minimum of 20 points. With these estimations, and even if the replacements have average years, they will roughly equal that production. Not to mention that every replacement has superior skating ability compared to their predecessor. We are building this team AV's way, and everyone top to bottom pretty much can fly.

professa


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:17 pm EST

Really like this Lombardi signing...epitome of a low risk high reward deal...I think you start him out in between MSL and Hags...If that fails, put him in between Moore and Glass...Gives you a 4th line with superb speed, maybe even an upgrade over boyle/dorsett/moore line of last year. Nash/Stepan/Kreider Zucc/Brass/Miller Hags/Lombardi/MSL Glass/Moore/Fast Mueller as an extra forward.

professa


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:06 pm EST

Well, the biggest edge to speed in theory is it allows you to get to more pucks, more possession time, takes pressure off your defense, should help pressure their D too, force some turnovers, etc. Depends if guys think as fast as they skate, know where they're going, etc. No guarantees. See Fata, Rico.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 4:40 pm EST

My train of thought has been extremely negative about this offseason in regards to getting our guys signed, who we see the other teams signing, and who we brought on board........ However, to put a positive spin on this, "IF" we are out-skating the opposition, theoretically we're going to draw way more hooking, holding & tripping penalties.... In a man advantage situation, the size of the opposition is marginalized, so we need to be on the PP a lot more often... It wouldn't hurt if all of our defensemen could step it up on the PP, collectively, it could make "The Difference." (jmho naturally :>))

mf


Wed Jul 16 2014 4:27 pm EST

Very good analysis and good points made by many folks the past few days....I enjoyed reading them. Rabid -- I think you're stretching it when you say Lombardi in place of Richards is a net plus...I don't think Richards was as bad a skater as you describe, though I suspect you're description adds more color to your post. I think it's telling that Chicago picked Richards up and I think it's telling that Lombardi was in the Swiss League while Richards was in the NHL. Doesn't mean that Lombardi won't do well and doesn't mean that it was wrong to buy out Richards(it wasn't)...I just think Richards is a better player than you're giving him credit for. Other than that, good stuff.

JFC31


Wed Jul 16 2014 3:40 pm EST

Rangers aren't near done with the off-season renovations, but here's my scorecard so far. Dan Boyle is an offensive upgrade on Stralman (should be worth at least 30 pts and much improved PP), and hopefully a is push defensively, though that may be a stretch. Still, net PLUS. Glass replaces some but not all of what was lost in B. Boyle. More hits and blocks, ok, good. But what we really gain there is SPEED. Glass can boogie, Boyle lumbered. But Im looking to see them replace the rest of what Boyle brought, by composite, on the other wing. Still a vacancy so cant say, right now its a net MINUS. Hmm, Brad Richards or Matt Lombardi? Ha. My thoughts on BR are fairly well known here. And a few points give or take may not make a huge difference either way. But again, SPEED is what's gained (to say nothing of Lindberg possibly making the team even with Lombardi here; just today Oscar interviewed in euro paper said he realized how valuable speed is on smaller rinks, and he's dedicating his summer to getting even quicker. and Lindberg can skate to begin with).So without going into how Richards may have been the worst excuse for an NHL skater Ive ever seen these past few years, I'd have to say net PLUS there. Losing Puliot, obviously a big blank right now on the left side, but they will fill that spot Im convinced from outside. So, net minus now, but who knows who's coming? Bobby Ryan? Pat Sharp? Chris Stewart? Evander Kane? Too many possibilities. Temporarily? Miller should bring good skating, a big strong body and some offensive skills and fill in rather well. But I don't know he ever makes it much past Xmas as Rangers property. So that comes out as two upgrades, two minuses, about even, but again theyre not done yet. Not terrible considering we lost 3 guys for nothing. Jeesh, wonder what a trade package of Boyle, Stralman and Puliot could have brought....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 2:40 pm EST

Wildcard - Dude, look: I'm not saying they'll struggle to make the playoffs only because of Lombardi...I'm saying they've made little effort to improve their team...and in fact, a very good argument can be made to suggest they're weaker...first of all, let's start with the loss of CALLAHAN. Now I know there's this notion that ST. LOUIS is a huge upgrade...and offense-wise, I don't think that's untrue...but the truth is, the Rangers, even though they went to the finals, never replaced Callahan's grit...rather they relied on guys like DORESETT and CARCILLO...and even Brian BOYLE to replace it...well...ALL those guys are gone now...so that deficit of grit is now a sink-hole. Yeah, we have Tanner GLASS. But do you recall much of him from the conference semis? I don't...and even if Glass does turn out to be a windfall...who else is going to bring that element to the team? Then you come to RICHARDS...now even if you take the minority opinion that Richards was worthless, he still potted 63 points for the Rangers last season...who replaces that production? Lombardi? Chris Mueller? The statistical likelihood of that is fairly slim, at best...even Dom MOORE...the guy best-suited at this point for third-line center, isn't exactly the type of guy who will land you 50 points during the regular season...and then the next question comes: Who is going to fill POULIOT'S shoes? Now I'm sure you're aware that I'm a huge MILLER fan...but even I'm not ready to say he's going to seamlessly take over from where Pouliot left off on the "second" line...so let's rejigger the lines...say you keep the Nash line together...and slide St. Louis into Pouliot's spot...now you have a third line of Miller, Moore and Hagelin...not bad...but is it going to produce the same offense? I kind of doubt it...and even if you say it WILL...then we're looking at Glass, Lombardi and take your pick for fourth line...again...not seeing it as an upgrade...Now let's say you make the unlikely argument that the Rangers are AS strong as they were last season...I think it's a deeply flawed argument...but let's take that stance for a second...Now look at what they have in Tampa this year...go through that lineup and tell me how the Rangers will fare against them...or Columbus...essentially the same team that softened up the Pens for us and just added HARTNELL...or Washington, which probably has a defense equal to or better than us now...or even the goddamn Islanders, which actually have a decent, younger goalie and a guy like Ryan STROME coming into the fold...And the greatest hope for the Rangers right now is that the rest of the east is so goddamn weak right now...when you turn to the west and look at the powerhouse in LA...what has developed into a similar powerhouse in Anaheim...St. Louis...and Chicago...sweet Jesus...I'll just say I wouldn't pick the Rangers for much higher than 13th or 14th in the league, which makes them a bubble team, IMO...and the sad truth is, there's a lot of this season riding on the shoulders of Rick NASH...if he CAN'T return to a 30-goal, 60-point player then the Rangers are done. They'll limp into the playoffs and then struggle to get out of the east...And that's if guys like STEPAN, ZUCC and KREIDER have equal seasons...and BRASSARD and St. LOUIS have a better seasons...and if the defense remains a rock...man...I appreciate your glass-is-half-full optimism...and I had that same optimism last season...But this year? I'm struggling to see it that way.

tdchi


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:39 pm EST

Ye of short term memory, "SATHER SUCKS!"

mf


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:35 pm EST

HOSPO: We will now more once the RFAs are signed. If they get them all under contract for lower cap hits that we expect (and thats not out the realm of possibility) than there will be room to go and sign some other player(s). It won't be some sure thing type player, but it will be a low risk/high reward type. There will also most likely be some vet players who are still unsigned, they will take much less in order to have a team to play for, so there are some options. Cant rule out other teams getting RFAs under contact and having it cost MORE than they thought and forcing them to move other players, Sather could trade for those types a little cheap. Lots of time for lots of things to happen.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:24 pm EST

WILD - I see that..And even if they saw the need, there really was no way to do it,,,Maybe Sather get a little inventive after the RFA signings as well as bringing in a another vet or two via FA (if possible)

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:24 pm EST

RF4L: In the past Sather was the type who would have gone after Stanstny and overpaid him, than traded Brass, J. Moore and Staal to make the cap work. I think there is more to it that just cap issues. But Sather haters start from "Sather is terrible" and work back from their building the story line that fits that ending....so even with Sather making seemingly low risk moves during the off-season and not trying to find a way to go after the biggest names out there he is still the same big spending go after the big names GM...

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:22 pm EST

AV and Sather both said that Miller would be playing in the Finals if not for injury

Messier11


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:21 pm EST

Hospo: What I meant by "this year" was the is off-season compared to others. This off-saeson has been about trying to keep as much of the core of players that made it to the SCF together, and to ensure that the proper amount of depth was there to help the team get back there again. Not that the entire season is about that, and not about the cup. I just don't think they saw a need to go out and go crazy.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:12 pm EST

you can win a Cup and play kids at the same time

Messier11


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:07 pm EST

And I still think Sather signs a WInnik or a Stempniak or a Booth or, for TDCHI, another MUELLER egg noodle. if this team as is gets hit with injuries coming out of the gate, there is verly little to play and the team can be crushed..

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:56 pm EST

WILD - "this year its about trying to keep the depth built up and to keep the core players in place." Oh gee, that sounds like a winner of a year!..migth as well putn the year now.........If that is what this year is supposed to be about, Sather never should have traded for St. Louis and giving up what he did...But he did, and .I still think it's all about the CUP, Sather just can't do anything about it right now and is trying to be as shrewd as possible with no money and no real prospect ready,,,,,but hopeefully he will be able to later in the season

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:38 pm EST

Wild: I'm guessing sather hadn't chased any big names because he can't fit them under the cap. He always drools over big names - no reason to believe he has stopped on his own accord.

RF4L


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:10 pm EST

RF4L: Honestly, Miller should be able to replace Pouliot. And as for BRich, This last signing MIGHT take care of that. I mean, maybe not quiet on the scoreboard, but in other areas more so, like the PK and with the ability to keep teams honest with speed. Course who knows till games start. Boyle is the hardest, due to his size and PK ability, and his face-off work. But the PK may be handled, just minus the size. There is time left to do more of course, but we shall see. I am glad the off-season signings have not been so exciting. That usually means Sather chased all the biggest names and we are all excited about the team being all that much better. this year its about trying to keep the depth built up and to keep the core players in place.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:02 pm EST

I, for one, am finding these off-season moves so far quite underwhelming. It wouldn't be so bad if the team owned their first rounder next year, especially if they are intent on icing 3 or 4 rookies. IMO, Boyle over Stralman is an upgrade (assuming the former's age doesn't take it's toll), but so far, I don't see adequate replacements for BB, BR and Poopoo.

RF4L


Wed Jul 16 2014 11:25 am EST

"That little shit"! LOL Frickin Torts, actually miss him sometimes (but not at all really LOL). Someone reminded the other day what he said about Wojtek Wolski; "We can't get him out of the tub" Hahaha....LOL.....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 11:21 am EST

Check the "Recent Hockey Tweets"..Dan Boyle really taking to being a New Yorker and a Ranger..Can only be a good thing!!........Also, BLUES signed ex-Rangers (Briefly) BENN FERRIERO

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 11:15 am EST

HOSPO: I think we both feel the someway. Yes, the expect he will be able to win a spot, why else would they have signed him? But he is not going to get the spot if kids play better and will help the team more. But that type of competition is needed, and the depth is good. Heck, I hope they found a good signing, I hope he can be good for the 3rd line and gets 50-60 points front there. If not oh well. They can STILL sign other depth guys as well. He was cheap, but I don't think it says TOO much about how they feel about the kids, you cant assume they are going to step in

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 10:51 am EST

See almost no downside to this Lombardi signing whatsoever..... he's not even going to crowd out a kid, be it Miller or Lindberg, because if those guys can contribute, AV says they must keep adding young guys to the team, and they'll be here.... but what I really like is this guy is a proven NHLer. There's no guess work with a signing like Mueller or any of the other countless AHL-NHL borderline guys theyve inked in recent years. If this guy is healthy, he can play & excel in the league. a 20-goal, 50-pt season is a real good year, one even Derrick Brassard has never managed to put together statistically. Now the health part, again we see a guy 2-3 years after a concussion maybe coming back to life. Lombardi led the Swiss league in scoring. Ok, it's the swiss league, but if the wheels are there - and Im sure they wouldnt have signed him otherwise, my guess is the guy can still play. Now, where he plays? WTH knows. Dont forget Dom Moore can easily switch to either wing, so even if a Lindberg makes it, you could have Glass-Lombardi-Moore as a 4th unit. Now the size issue? Im in total agreement, we dont have near enough. its why ideally I want Winnick signed, he's a mean SOB, and again, just another good hockey player. But we as fans tend to focus on the start of the season as The Team. it's not the team we go to war with. The wars start in the spring, and the rosters arent finalized for many many months. So I look at this as a transitional phase, they NEED to see what they have with 2-3 maybe 4 kids on the cusp, and just btw...... Lombardi's best yeas, 2009-10 & 2006-07? His numbers are almost identical to what Brad Richards posted last season. So for 800k, whaddayawant? I also like how it MAY lessen the desire for The Cigar to go all gaga over Joe Thorton's 70 pts, at least short term.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 10:24 am EST

WILD - " I in no way believe the Rangers are giving hims spot before camp even starts" I disagree. kinda...Yeah, they are not giving the spot to him but, IMO, the Rangers know what they have with MILLER, LINDBERG and FAST as consistent 2nd/3rd liners RIGHT NOW and find it lacking..I'm guessing they expect LOMBARDI wo easily win a spot over the kids, but, jut like counting on the kids is foolish, so is counting on him...having both is much better..

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 10:19 am EST

TDCHI - And I agree with you that the team needs some size but the Rangers just don't seem to think so...They did do some good things with speed in th POs..OTOH, the size of the KIng wore them down...and, during the regular season, teams will go qafter them physically (IMWO)

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 10:17 am EST

td: Well there it is! Same thing some (perhaps even you) said lsat offseason. "This team will struggles to make the playoffs, and if they do they will be knocked out early" Last year it was BECAUSE BRich was on the team, and BECAUSE Strallman was one of the top 4. Now its because they are gone or some such, or the depth isn't there anymore. Also as for the signing. How the heck do any of us know what he is thinking. Maybe he just wants an opportunity to get back to the NHL. He may understand he may end up in Hartford, or that he will be up and down. As for being on the downside of his career....he is 32, not 42, many many players have good years until 34-35, some beyond. He is fast, was always good on the PK, and a smart player. His speed is still there from all accounts, and his brain isn't shot I am sure, and he hasn't forgotten how to play hockey, so he should still be good on the PK and with out the puck. The biggest concern is injuries. Now if he gets injured, than you can look back as say it wasn't a very good signing, if he doesn't it will look pretty good for 800K cap hit. I would imagine, if the kids press him out of the way he is gone. He can be loaned to a club across the pond if he wanted that instead of the AHL, or traded of he looks decent. I in no way believe the Rangers are giving hims spot before camp even starts.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 10:16 am EST

York18 - agree with you on MILLER and on LOMBARDI.. But who the heck is this goon MACI you are talking about?.....TDCHI - Agree with you on McI..he may have to bide his time till laterin the season...Also agree on LOMBARDI as the 3rd-4th Center ..with Dom Moore being the other part of that pair...We know Moore is a very good FO guy so maybe he "Plays up" on the 3rd..We'll see.....As for Mcilrath, he will get there and I know he can be a protector but the 6th D spot is not a good spot to do that from, just cause in-game lineup problems...Maybe the Rangers might use him as 12th/13th forwaqr??? Somebody with some stones and fists of stone has to be brought in..

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 9:35 am EST

RF4L - I'd be absolutely floored if McILRATH makes the team out of camp. They're not going to keep him in NY as a seventh defender and there's no way he bumps anyone on the right. The Rangers at this point will struggle to make the playoffs. Which is really sad after all they accomplished in 2011-12 and 2013-2014.

tdchi


Wed Jul 16 2014 9:33 am EST

My take on LOMBARDI - He's either the Rangers' third or fourth-line center. I could be wrong, but I can't see him coming back from Europe to ride buses in the AHL all season. Taken THAT as a given, I won't say this is an awful signing, but it's not a good one...Here we have an injury-prone guy who sat out an entire season with concussion issues and hasn't done anything statistically significant since...26 points in 92 NHL games since his one career year in 2010...unlike a guy like Pete MUELLER, he's on the downside of his career..and while fast, I'm just not sure how he's going to fit...if it's between HAGELIN and ST. LOUIS, then we've got some serious issues...I suspect, however, he's the new fourth line ace and Dom MOORE is going to be penciled in at third-line center...I'm not a big fan of that either...Also...I keep hearing this refrain of how AV resurrected careers...and I keep scratching my head about it...POULIOT was the same statistically as he's been most of his career. Actually, he was a little better when he was in Tampa...and Moore...well, he was pretty much the same Dom Moore as when he left the NHL...maybe a little less productive even...Lombardi is a decent fourth-line signing...but he doesn't address anything this team needs...with guys like MSL, Kreider, Hagelin and Zucc, they didn't need more speed. What they need is size.

tdchi


Wed Jul 16 2014 7:43 am EST

Lombardi is fast. Really fast. He's also really small. And non physical. Sure hope McI makes the opening day roster ( and stays there)....

RF4L


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:41 am EST

Looks like Slats is doing his own version of Billy Beane's Moneyball with signings like Lombardi and some other non- descript FA's. He got some great value last year out of MZA and Moore with modest contracts, now gets a guy with speed that fits AV's system, a guy who has been a journeyman and has had injuries in the past but led the Swiss league last year and appears to be healthy. Hope Slats found some gold there- time will tell.

puckyou


Wed Jul 16 2014 6:19 am EST

Miller IMO isn't ready to take a regular spot with this team especially at center. He's less likely to hurt the team defensively at wing. If I were av and sather I'd sit miller down with tons of footage of foppa and say this is how you should be playing. Foppa was great with and without the puck could dangle, pass, score, hit like a truck miller has the talent to be that if his brain/hockey iq catches up with his body. Lombardi is a safe signing he has scored 20 twice well 19 once, he can play both ends of the ice and he's fast. He would look good with hags and msl and is a good bumper for Lindberg who is solid but unspectacular. He's just a guy that you won't notice all game because he's solid but at the end of the night is on the score sheet and you may have not noticed....Hospo I think your goon may maci he's a legit heavy.

York18


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:59 am EST

If Lombardi was signed out of the Swiss league you have to believe that the scouts have also seen their fill of that Meuller kid (the former 1st rd pick) as well. Depending on what they saw perhaps he could be coming over on a similarly priced deal?

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:29 am EST

Add to that, if all the kids take that next step and the Rangers don't need Lombardi but he has done well in the time he has player (deadline or next offseason) a cap strapped team would pay to get a guy with a small 800K hit. Really not a bad signing. He may not be good enough for the NHL any longer, but at the least he is a vet for the Wolfpack.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 5:06 am EST

800K per? That means if he is sent down he counts zero against the cap. I am sure he at least will have a shot to get a spot on the team, and at least to start may get that spot. But he is good insurance, if a kid isn't ready he can step in. If someone gets hurt he can be called up or he will be there as the 13th F. All-in-all can't be upset by the signing. I mean, it's for so little. Also I know it's the Swiss League but he lead the league in scoring...and more importantly stayed healthy. Let's hope his injuries are behind him.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:20 am EST

So now we have the aging and skill-diminishing Matthew Lombardi to block JT Miller's path? HOSPO-you must be loving this move. Lombardi is on the back nine and sucks these days, but he is not Miller or Lindbergh! Today is the day to celebrate NHL vets over youth! Ok, just busting chops. With the way the minor signings worked out last season, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Don't know where this dude plays on this club, but he used to be good before he got hit by trains a few times. There is a possibility that AV REALLY does not like Miller, in which case he will change addresses some time soon.

Bob


Wed Jul 16 2014 1:11 am EST

RABID - Ya never know, but I do think they got him to play C with his speed with somebody like Hagelin.....WHo knows, maybe they try MILLER at 2nd line W...or pehaps they move St; Louis up and Miller/FAST?a new guy get a choit at 3rd line? But, as I said before. I don't see any big trades or signings coming....and, really, would like to see SOME REGULAR SEASON PROTECZTION brought in for these speedy guys--and I mean something bigger than Catrcillo

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:57 am EST

I'd say that's a logical preliminary conclusion, Hospo. Like I alluded to though, you could end up seeing this guy all over the place. Right now we've got holes 2nd line LW, 3rd line C, and 4th line RW. And PK. With his wheels & scoring touch, he might be able to play all of them - even if Lindberg's ready.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:47 am EST

RABID - I don't think they signed him as insurance but to give the not-ready Lindberg at C some more time to develpop, even if he only needs a half a year//It shows to me that they like Lindberg for the future, but don't thiunk he's ready yet..Just my deduction

Hospo


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:22 am EST

gotta like this LOMBARDI signing at first blush. At a minimum, the guy has scored 20 & 19 goals in an NHL season, he's topped 50 pts once, had 47 another, so not a hope & a prayer thing. Good insurance move up the middle, and who knows, if they can't find a wing & Lindberg sticks, Lombardi has twice scored more than Puliot ever has LOL. Fits the system. Another one of those hand-selected low key moves like Puliot, Stralman, Moore that have paid dividends. And hey, we needed a few more good hockey players.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 16 2014 12:00 am EST

Im reading 1.6 mill/2 years, 800k per, Im assuming. If nothing else, its interesting. Slats must have wanted him bad to give out that second year.

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:20 pm EST

Lombardi: goods stats last year 46/20/30/50 ......http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=43804

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:09 pm EST

MF - Just MWO, But I don't think so..I think he was signed as a 3rd or 4th line C for The Rangers and to give LIndberger more time.....AT 32, I doubt he would sign a contract to play in Hartford..By ALL ACCOUNTS the guy can fly....SIgned a huge FA contract with Nashville in 2010..But got concussed in the SECOND GAME and lost the SEASON...Next two years were marred by SHOULDER INJURIES...But was healthy in the SWISS LEAGUE last year....Rangers like speed

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:59 pm EST

Was Lombardi signed for Hartford? .......http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2634

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:55 pm EST

I know we have tossed his name around but Kyle Clifford would be an ideal pickup for us. Big, young and on the last yr of a 1M contract. The kings are up against the cap and have a lot of yutes ready to come up and play with the big club. He's got some good hands and upside and good likely fit on the wing with brass and Zucc. Just a name on the wish list along with that kid Hayes out of Chi but a guy can hope can't he?

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:49 pm EST

So, MILLER for 2nd line W, Lombard/Lindberg for 3rd/4th C, Fast for 4th line? Guess I have to come to terms with it and hope......But sure seems like the team could be ripe for getting physically targeted during the regular season..I might spend what's left on a cheap dime-store goon..who can play 30-40 regular season games or so,.

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:47 pm EST

LOMBARDI: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8468695&docid=TeamPlayerBio:47703#&navid=nhl-search

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:38 pm EST

Patrick Kearns of VICE Sports reports the deal is worth $1.6 million total....Low risk...Guys is still only 32...If he's healthy and still has the wheels, he could be a cheap and good fit for what the Rangers are trying to do ---.....Cand skate and kill penalties, I hope to God he's good on FOs!

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:25 pm EST

LOMBARDI LINK - http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/15/report-rangers-sign-matt-lombardi-to-two-year-deal/..

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:23 pm EST

OH, does everybody remember MATT LOMBARDI! Honestly, I femember him for his speed at C...anyway......John Hoven of Mayor’s Manor reports the Rangers HAVE SIGNE FORWARD MATT LOMBARDI TO A TWO YEAR DEAL...Honestly, I don't know what to think...SPeeedy 3red line C for St. Louis and Hags?

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 9:00 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2130847-2014-nhl-free-agency-the-kids-are-coming-like-it-or-not

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 8:59 pm EST

If Kreider had only buried those both chances in 2 of the OT's.....

TradeStar28


Tue Jul 15 2014 8:50 pm EST

I think FAST will play with Brassard & Zucc. Zucc may end up on the LW. Fast certainly finished his checks during the playoffs, I like that part of his game, and he's an excellent skater.... I just read an older article on STAAL dated July 1st, should we resign him or trade him. Naturally, arguments both pro & con.... Could see Sather trading him, he's a top 4 on any team and a top two on plenty of teams........ As for the Centers, O'reilly & AVs aint getting it done, Johanssen and Columbus are still not at agreement, Staal for JoeT & a pick? Staal for Joe T and they eat 2mill of Joe T's salary? WhoT.F. knows? certainly not me..........

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 8:24 pm EST

I agree Penner and Setoguchi could help, but I also agree that they aren't necessary for this team to do well. I think its time to give Miller, Fast, maybe even Lindberg shots at lesser roles. Better deals if not better singings will still be out there.

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 8:11 pm EST

Funny to see; after years & years and countless cries to get younger, calls for guys like Penner, who couldn't produce with Perry & Getzlaf of all people, and Setoguchi, who, well, IDK WTH happened to him but he stopped producing at a high clip. Rangers are fine, repeat fine. They made the deal for Nash July 24 and pretty much concluded summer business before camp, and I expect something similar but smaller, likely one more FA signing, maybe a guy like Winnick, who'd be perfect. Sounds like Boothe won't be coming, NYR supposedly made two-yr offer but may have been priced out. Still, if they had a game tomorrow, Lindberg in Richards spot and Miller, who's bulked up yet again, at least temporarily in Puliot's slot, not worst thing.The real important games don't start for another NINE MONTHS. If they get a good deal to upgrade that spot next to Brass & Zuc Im sure they'll do it, but if Sather's not going buck wild for an expensive center you'd best believe he's going to bring back a high-end sniper for LW.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 15 2014 7:57 pm EST

RANGER LEAVES MAPLE LEAFS TO PLAY IN SWITZERLAND..........Paul Ranger is taking his game to Switzerland, agreeing to a two-year deal with Geneve-Servette HC. The 29-year-old unrestricted free agent played 53 games on the Toronto Maple Leafs' blue line last season, scoring six goals and eight assists through 53 games. He also scored eight goals and 17 assits in 51 games with the AHL Marlies in the 2013-14 season. The Whitby, ON, native was drafted by the Tampa Bay Lightning in the sixth round (183rd overall) of the 2002 NHL Entry Draft. He played five seasons with the Lightning, scoring 18 goals and 74 assists in 270 games.

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 6:59 pm EST

and Penner, just for shear size.....

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 6:58 pm EST

Rhet: Regarding Setoguchi: I'm willing to give most 27 year olds another chance. I have a lot of confidence in our coaching staff, and if they can help a guy like Pouliot turn it around, why not this kid? Lastly, perhaps Setoguchi is best suited as a 3rd line player (nothing wrong with that) and has been miss-cast after some seasons of playing over his head... IMO, we need Right Handed Shots, & should continue to build on our speed... As currently constructed, we're gonna get bounced around but good & from some newbies; The Islanders, Columbus, Florida, Tampa Bay, Washington are the first to come to mind......

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 6:28 pm EST

Nope, just a cat!

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 6:27 pm EST

OK, pretty freaking sneaky, I just made a post with the word Rabbitt (even if spelled wrong) in it and lo and behold, underneath the links in the constantly changing ad link is a joint TARGET and NICKELODEON ad with rabbits and Peter Rabbit....Lions and Tigers and Bears..O MY,...Let's see

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 6:19 pm EST

RHET/NICK - It does really seem that Sather is intent on going with the kids and the Swiss Cheese forward lines.........I still hope not,...PENNER and SETAGUCHI have been thrown out but I personally don't see Sather going that way..Neither are very dependable............of what's left, One guy that could really help any team on the 3rd/4th lines is Daniel Winnik but obviously not a C for the 3rd line....I could see SATHER taking a shot at STEMPNIAK but that's about it....BOOTH seems like a Sather special but seems too risky,.,,,,.Hopefully after all the RFA stuff, he pulls a late season rabbit out of his ass in a trade.... because the team sure needs it...

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 5:52 pm EST

Three of the four guys(Heatley, Roy and Ribeiro) I said could be signed for around $1 Mil, actually signed for around $1 Mil and we obviously had no interest in any of them. Why, who the Banff knows? Maybe the fourth guy also signs a $1 Mil incentive laden deal if it was from the Rangers. We are taking a huge gamble that three of our kids will be ready at the same time to help this club. Hopefully it works out. No to Setoguchi. The guy has had plenty of 2nd and 3rd chances with very little to show for it. Last year he had 2nd line minutes and put up 3rd line points (barely). Pass. ....HOSPO.... I agree, Fast is the most likely candidate for our 4th line RW spot. For some reason, AV loves the guy. The guy I still want is Carcillo and hopefully he's still in the teams plans. We'd have no agitator without him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 15 2014 2:04 pm EST

Hospo, as it stands now, we're replacing Richards, Pouliot and Boyle with JT Miller and two even bigger question mark 'prospects.' Glass = Dorsett; D-Boyle = Stralman, better or worse. But that forward situation is terrible and we had better address it, because that squad misses the POs.

Nick


Tue Jul 15 2014 12:49 pm EST

Professsaaaaah, I wouldn't be surprised if we could sign Penner & Setoguchi for $2.5mill or less... Sign them both. We need a big body on this squad, & Penner is that big body, Hockey News says he's good in front of the net, and he knows how to score......Sather is getting our 4 signed with the $14mill cap space. If we go over the cap 2 mill during the summer it's no big deal, we can send someone down....... Worst case scenario you have Penner/Moore/Glass as a forth line.... Brian Boyle who?

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 12:31 pm EST

I honestly think we're in a better place now than we were at the beginning of last season. I mean look at some of the trash that was playing on our roster...Pyatt, Del Zotto...Fast and MIller were both in our opening night line up...Sign SetoGOOOChi or Penner and work from there...we got a solid d-corps and a great goalie...solid top 6 forwards...There are worse problems to have than filling out the 3rd and 4th line...If it isn't working, Slats will upgrade, you can count on that. Imagine how good we'll be if Nash and Step rebound and become near ppg players...Our 3rd and 4th line was so important las year cuz half the time our top guys sucked...All we need is our 3rd and 4th lines to be positive possesion players and we should be good (might be tough with Glass, who was the worst possesion player in the NHL next year. Never thought there would be a day where Dany Heatly and Mike Ribero are making less than TG)...stay positive boys, watch the MTL-NYR game 6 highlights...Dom Moore's goal gives me the chills every time!

professa


Tue Jul 15 2014 12:29 pm EST

How would we be able to get Eric Staal ? I can't see it happening

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 12:21 pm EST

It's a long season, see how the Kiddies perform, Miller, OscarMeyer, Fast, if they shit the bed, there will probably be some trades during the year to ensure we make & are ready for the playoffs... Cause, Sather doesn't tank at the trade deadline for picks..... AND, Sign Setoguchi ! Bet we could have him for $1mill. (27y/o, great & fast skater, RHS)

mf


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:47 am EST

Roy in too.

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:45 am EST

I think he knows that his only chance at a retirement deal is to put up career numbers in Nashville this season. With the pieces they're acquiring that may be a good opportunity for him. He and Neal are going to find some magic.

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:43 am EST

From what I read, it was little more than being late to meetings and practices, got into a verbal once with the coach. Not exactly locker room cancer, maybe just growing pains for someone who recent came back into the lives of his estranged wife and children

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:26 am EST

Think Rangers add one more depth FA (thankfully neither of the ones signed today), look at deals while they evaluate their prospects. Sensible approach & they'll be FINE. Trade deadline isnt for 9 months LOL. More on Ribiero here. http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/27/ribeiros-behavioral-issues-led-to-buyout-says-maloney/

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:19 am EST

TDCHI - Like I've said before, if WYSIWYG is the Rangers plan, the team is screwed with the not ready for prime time kids....But, if that is the poison they choose, I think Lindberg is more likely to be the responsible 3rd center and MILLER and FAST will be fighting for the 2nd and 4th line wing spots....Scary stuff all around...Just my take.

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:13 am EST

I'm no fan of RIBIERO and kind of wonder what exactly soured between him and the Yotes. But $1.05 million for a year?! Man, that's worth a chance, IMO. You can easily bury that contract. I think Ribs' best days are behind him, but I would have bitten at that contract level...seriously guy, I think this means WYSIWYG with these Rangers. MILLER gonna be the the line center next year unless he blows it in camp and LINDBERG out performs him. Love the tools, but even I have some trepidation about the well-being of this lineup.

tdchi


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:13 am EST

I wouldn't put Heatly in the same class as Ribiero, Hospo. Rangers are essentially a happy hockey club. To take a chance on a guy with fading skills is one thing. But the more you read about Ribiero, the less there is to like; “Mike had some real behavioral issues we felt we could not tolerate going forward,” Coyotes GM Don Maloney said, per the Arizona Republic.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 15 2014 11:00 am EST

I'll say this about the RIBIERO signing, he is not the player I would want down the middle with Stepan and Brassard, but at 1 year for 1 million there is very little risk involved..Same as with HEATLEY and a few others recently....Get hose RFAs signed Slats and fill your holes!

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:56 am EST

Hmm..being speculated (RIMER) that Preds will be signing ROY in addition to RIBIERO....Some big changes in NASHVILLE! The great Tim ERIXON, once a prospect fave around here (never knew why). signing a 600K contract with the BJs...

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:50 am EST

strange deals this off-season

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:46 am EST

Id rather have Staal

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:42 am EST

WRONG..PREDS HAVE SIGNED RIBIERO

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:41 am EST

oops.."going with Roy"

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:38 am EST

As far as Crosby's non-surgery, love it..Hopefully come January and a miserable three months, tyhey realize they should have done the surgery and he's out for the year!!......PREDATORS were supposedly considering RIBIERO and ROY, among others, but seem to be going with RIOYS..MESSIER11 may still get his RIBIERO..

Hospo


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:36 am EST

Renaud Lavie reports that Ribeiro has narrowed down his selection of teams to sign with to two, one from each conference, and that he will decide this week. Sounds like he's been courted after all

Messier11


Tue Jul 15 2014 10:07 am EST

So wait...they're saying Crosby's wrist DIDN'T need surgery? Huh. Funny how drastically that narrative changed in the course of a couple weeks...before it was he just got surgery...now it's not necessary...but he's still injured, so it's still a good excuse for why he failed the Pens in the playoffs...Way to go media! From Twitter: " Rob Rossi @RobRossi_Trib Per #pens >> NO surgery for Crosby. @JoshYohe_Trib reported last week procedure was only a consideration on injured wrist.

tdchi


Tue Jul 15 2014 8:46 am EST

http://www.defendingtheblueline.org/donate/memorials/tributes/memory-richard-curadi/ I promised Luke Curadi's mom that I would help spread the information about this charity. This organization helps family members of military men & women to participate in hockey. If anyone finds this distasteful, please do not go to the link. For anyone else, it's a very special organization worthy of consideration.

JFC31


Mon Jul 14 2014 11:53 pm EST

Heres your laugh for the night: Maybe we had our giant-killer all along? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-EZebcqHnU

Messier11


Mon Jul 14 2014 9:10 pm EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/07/14/ryan-oreilly-on-borrowed-time-with-colorado-avalanche/?utm_source=RantSports&utm_medium=HUBRecirculation&utm_term=NHLColorado%20AvalancheGrid

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 8:21 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/chris-kreider-capable/

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 6:31 pm EST

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NTC AND A NMC? ... http://www.capgeek.com/faq/what-s-the-difference-between-a-NTC-and-NMC

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 5:02 pm EST

evets1980 - I could be mistaken but the NASH NTC is a limited one...NMC means they're not sending him anywhere unless he signs off on the deal...and as we saw numerous times lately, that seriously diminishes the value of the player...I was kind of hoping Sather would cut and run on Nash at the draft, but the more I think about it, the smarter it is to just ride this to the end of his NMC and hope for the best.

tdchi


Mon Jul 14 2014 4:55 pm EST

Thanks York (how far weve come LOL) & MF youre funny. I wouldnt call Nash my favorite player or anything, but I do respect a guy laying it on the line & trying to play, and trying to be smart about it. Its a tough situation right now. Id seriously wear Stepan's Namath cage F/T, become the 1st RoboCop NHLer.. Screw what people think. Look what they said about Jacques Plante. Winnick & this kid Hayes if he hits UFA, promote Lindberg & drop the puck.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jul 14 2014 4:04 pm EST

NN....oooooooooooooh....that explains it. Thanks!

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 3:57 pm EST

Holy Shit! If this ain't the Summer of Love!" :>) ......

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 3:50 pm EST

RF4L: The difference between Kreider and Stepan with regards to the arbitration is the age they were when they signed their first contract. Stepan was 20; Kreider 21.. "Most players must have four years of NHL experience before they are eligible for salary arbitration (the term is reduced for those who signed their first NHL contract after the age of 20).

DOUBLEN


Mon Jul 14 2014 3:49 pm EST

Rabid I personally like most of your posts and I understand your stance on player bashing to a certain extent, but it's going to happen and getting upset about it won't change a thing. There are players in the NHL I love to watch but would never want on this team. For me Nash was one of them, loved catching a bluejackets game and seeing him put on a clinic but would also tune in to see a disappearing act. His intensity level and drive has always been in question not to just me but even NHL execs. I know you like the guy but to me I cheer for the jersey not the player and Nash is not being unfairly picked on he is being called out on his lack of production. I personally never wanted him here from the start but he's here and that's life just dont get yourself tossed off the board because someone doesn't like him

York18


Mon Jul 14 2014 3:46 pm EST

Messier... Interesting. If Nash's NTC is voided once his NMC expires at the end of this year, you'd have to think the Rangers will move him regardless. I bet Sather is hoping for a bounce back year from Nash for multiple reasons, one of them being a maximized return for him next summer.

evets1980


Mon Jul 14 2014 2:48 pm EST

first time Im seeing this- on the capgeek rangers page there is an addendum to Nash's NTC: "subsequent trade may have voided clause". Maybe Nash doesn't have an NTC anymore.

Messier11


Mon Jul 14 2014 2:35 pm EST

TD... Why would it be Nash's last year as a Ranger if he has a down year? I'm pretty sure that his no move expires at the end of next season, but the no trade is in place for the remainder of the contract.

evets1980


Mon Jul 14 2014 2:27 pm EST

New CBA between those two contracts? just a guess.

Messier11


Mon Jul 14 2014 1:54 pm EST

Can someone explain to me why Kreider gets arbitration and Stepan didn't? I don't understand....

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 1:51 pm EST

TDCHI - I agree with all of that but, really,none of that is news and it is all pretty much common sense. It's been pretty obvious that he has been lacking as a Ranger and, what the Rangers need and will hope for, is the flashes of Nash to be consistent..Further failure and everybody from Sather to Pretzel guy will want him gone..

Hospo


Mon Jul 14 2014 1:31 pm EST

Only guy who doesn't have an arbitration hearing is John MOORE...and on NASH...look, I'm sure everyone is hoping for the miracle that this guy somehow pulls it all together...and if he does, guess what? The Rangers are going to be a contender...a Rick Nash circa 2008-2009 would be HUGE, especially if we get some of the home-growns stepping up too and a big season out of BOYLE...et cetera...but the reality is this: If you look at what the guy did in 2013, when he DID lead the team in goals and his point production wasn't markedly off his career average like last year...the guy went on vanishing stretches...long and pronounced ones...and then he essentially disappeared in the playoffs...this season, again...vanished for long stretches...disappeared in the playoffs...I don't care how many checks, shots and defensive plays he made...he simply didn't generate offense, and that's what he was brought in to do...We see another playoffs like last season and I will wager you anything that he's moved by summer...he costs too much and brings too little to the table...what the Rangers will get is another issue altogether...there will be a taker...there's always a team that's going to take that chance....but the Rangers simply can't keep a $7.8 million contract on board when it's not helping them get a cup...Nash is here for a year. If he plays like he did last year, it will be his last in blue.

tdchi


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:58 pm EST

Kreider filed for arbitration the same day as Brassard and Zucc. His hearing date is July 23rd- first of the three

Messier11


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:49 pm EST

RF4L - ah, got ya, so there's no "hearing" on Krieder. He'll either give in to Sather early...or his agent will sit him out and then give in for the same amount later!..Either way Sather will have a dollar amount and player (Krieder ain't going anywhere) he can work around...But BOTH BRASS and MZA have schedukled hearings, right? It's the Brassard case, IMO, that could have several endings but still likely a hearing (if not settled) that Sather "wins"....And bottom line, these should all be resolved by early August if I have the arb hearing dates right..

Hospo


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:41 pm EST

Kreider doesn't have the ability to file for arbitration (just like Stepan didn't) because he's coming off an entry level deal.

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:37 pm EST

Teams and players can negotiate all the way up to the arbitration date. Many times the teams & players reach agreements before arbitration... I believe that OTHER teams are NOT allowed to negotiate with players who file for arbitration. By filing, it gives both parties additional time to hammer out a deal...... I think I'm correct on this one... :-)

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:33 pm EST

RF4L - Serious question----Why should it go on till camp? Aren't the arbitration hearings over by the end of JUly?

Hospo


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

Roy White

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

Tommy Tresh

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

Joe Pepitone

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:31 pm EST

MF - Only ANCIENT guys like you would remember that, I remember WILLIAMS when he PLAYED for the Yanks in the early 70's..He and my man Horace Clarke!

Hospo


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:29 pm EST

Hospo, we're both correct: ....No Neck Williams,http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/williwa02.shtml

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:26 pm EST

Hospo: As equally convinced of no Nash trade, I am so with no more moves to add players until the big 3 are signed. Sather needs to know where he is in terms of cap room with those 3 fitting in. He can't add additional salary until then, meaning this in limbo stuff likely will go on until the start of camp (or even after if the Kreider negotiations mirror that of the Stepan ones last year). If the roster does change it'll be via a trade where the cap isn't impacted (or goes down). IMO, Sather erred greatly by having over 1/2 of roster experienced expired deals simultaneously. It makes me suspect he was as surprised as most of us were by the deep PO run.

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:26 pm EST

"No-Neck Williams played outfield for the White-Sox... He played for them in the 60's, and the Yankees played the White-Sox in an afternoon double header the day Mantle retired..... HOSPO, you're OLD!

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:20 pm EST

mf: Of course, but, I suspect, not in Sather's eyes. If he hadn't acquired him (i.e. a previous GM had made that trade), perhaps there would be a chance, albeit a slight one. But IMO, there's a zero chance currently. Unless, of course, a rival GM offers up him a package that is undeniable and that probably has a lesser chance of happening!

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:20 pm EST

By the way, have seen some of the CAPS recent press conferences about the new start/regime so, what the hell happened to Barry Trotz,s neck? Any of you oldsters remember Walt "No Neck" Williams from the Yanks??

Hospo


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:14 pm EST

RF4L - Agree with about NASH staying, at least for one more year..Part of me believes that Sather is cup hunting following the St. Louis move....but, if he wants to get a CUP, having Miller, Lindberg and Fast fill the voids on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines is no way to go about it,...I can also see SATHER trying to save every penny he can on RFAs Brassard and Kreider (not MZA) and deal with those consequences later....we'll see soon enough

Hospo


Mon Jul 14 2014 12:13 pm EST

RF4L: There's more than one way to "hunt for the cup," and trading Nash is one of them.... just another opinion naturally. :>)

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 11:57 am EST

MFred: Dunno if I agree, given the fact that Gomez got traded and with this new CBA the trading team can eat some $$ and cap. What I am sure of, however, is he isn't going anywhere soon (and I posted my stance on this a few weeks ago). Sather is cup hunting - trading Nash is totally contrary to that goal.

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 11:46 am EST

Who knew Dubinsky's contract was such big news? http://deadspin.com/todays-lebron-cover-of-the-new-york-times-sports-sectio-1603989001

tdchi


Mon Jul 14 2014 10:33 am EST

We will never get rid of Nash via trade....the only way he doesn't play for us is if he gets injured. I don't have a huge problem with the guy....with all his injuries over the last 2 years he was still our leading Goals scorer....and his playoff effort was commendable.....from what I saw he played hard and gave it everything he had. Nothing wrong with that. Did I read something about a Lawsuit.....Jayzussss we're going backwards.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 14 2014 9:49 am EST

Dineen: ... BLACKHAWKS HIRE DINEEN AS ASSISTANT COACH.......http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=457188

mf


Mon Jul 14 2014 9:21 am EST

It'll end quicker as a practice if everyone just ignores Drama Related Posts

Messier11


Mon Jul 14 2014 7:13 am EST

TD: It takes 2 to tango dude. Really, legal action or whatever - who the snot cares? It's a freakin' internet site. I'm not defending RR. Just saying it'll all end if one of you ceases and desists (and preferably both of you).

RF4L


Mon Jul 14 2014 7:04 am EST

RF4L - Don't get on my case. I'm not the guy logging onto a Ranger fan site and threatening legal action or to call the Rangers and have them threaten legal action(on a side note, you do realize how crazy that is, right?) just because I don't agree with someone. Of all the stuff I post here, 99 percent of it is hockey related. I know I sometimes get in heated debates, but I can at least understand and respect differing opinions. This spat has reached a new level of lunacy. And while I have no desire to be on here quarreling with people, I'm going to stand up for myself when this guy is spewing his vitriol. And Polis. If you want to put this long, ridiculous chapter behind us, then do it. The ball is in your court. Your passive-aggressive digs, however, are just going to bring us back to this same point.

tdchi


Mon Jul 14 2014 6:54 am EST

Nash, who played 17:55 in his return, said he is playing with a clear mind; unafraid and unencumbered by doubt regarding his well-being on the ice. “I’m confident. I know we covered every angle,” he said. “The organization made sure that I was checked by specialists, got all the time I needed and all the answers I was looking for. “A big part of my recovery and me feeling as secure as I do is because the organization was so supportive. I couldn’t ask for more.”

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:53 pm EST

Article I refered to earlier....""Concussion alters Nash’s perspective""......http://nypost.com/2013/11/21/concussion-alters-nashs-perspective/

mf


Sun Jul 13 2014 10:07 pm EST

Soooo, can we anticipate this silly bickering crap between RR and TD to FINALLY end? Cuz really dudes, while you write intelligently, the feud is childish and boring and downright annoying. Wth, of course, all due respect (which is dwindling steadily as this thing, despite both of you more than more saying you'd had enough, goes on and on and on and on).

RF4L


Sun Jul 13 2014 8:34 pm EST

Tell ya what, I'll try to really knock your socks off TD, and pay you a compliment. And not a backhanded smartass one, a real, hey tat was some good shit one. You know I tried to do something nice for you last week by it got screwed up. I was driving on vacation and saw a headline NYR had signed Mueller. Since it was the second Mueller signing in two days, or so I thought, I figured it was the brother who I knew you recommended they sign. So there I was driving 65mph trying to post it for you with one hand, except it turned out to be an update on the prior signing, so my good deed got screwed up, and you failed to acknowledge any of it. No biggie. But the other day you ran down this kid from Chicago Hayes, along with his brother Jimmy, and there you could well be onto something. kid had a major collegiate year, was Kreider's linemate, Neanpot MVP, 6-3 , C/Wing we, as you said, should be all over. You're darn right.Hawks have till the 15th of August or he's on the market and I costs you only a 2nd rounder.. Now THAT was an astute bit of analysis. So I offer these kind words as a peace offering, again, and hope you see the difference between that and the Nash-Bash style of posting. But you obviously, can say whatever you want. I just can't take any more of the bickering

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 8:11 pm EST

Actually I was ridiculing yet another doomed prediction for Nash TD. Why not try, you know, some new material?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 8:02 pm EST

Norton the underground engineer knows .... Hello ball.. Puck head . Captain video space helmets on .... The dog with a bone.... All bark... All talk..babble bs... Barbarino is so confused.... Call the lawyers...

stevielegs


Sun Jul 13 2014 7:58 pm EST

Polis, I;m sorry. Were you talking to me? I thought you were done with that. Huh. Strange how that works.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 7:55 pm EST

hipcheck - My gut on MILLER is that we're going to see him have the same breakout we saw in KREIDER this past season...McILRATH...man, he's a tougher read though. I think he's got another season in Hartford...and while I don't think he'll be a 'bust' per se, I have a feeling we'll see him intermittently over next season...but man...there's got to be a little buyers remorse on that pick..Cam Fowler, Jaden Schwartz, Vlad Tarasenko, Bjugstad...man there's a LONG list of guys that could already be helping this team...having seen a decent amount of Mack, I can say if he can do what he does in Hartford with the Rangers, he'll be a fan favorite and a huge asset...the question is, will that come to pass anytime in the near future...It's interesting because I look at the Rangers off-season moves and I take a lot of them(or lack thereof) have to do with the readiness of the kids in Hartford...in Miller's case, I think Sather's decision to NOT sign one of the cheap UFA centers(Legwand for $1.5 million, Santorelli for the same, Jokinen for $2.5 million to name a few) suggests they've got Miller penciled in there, especially after how he played in the playoffs...conversely, the trade for KLEIN and then signing BOYLE.. that says to me they think Big Mack, a righty d-man, is a year off.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 7:38 pm EST

Nash will never score another playoff goal. The bus driver says so.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 7:32 pm EST

mf - While I literally built the Trade-Rick-Nash bus and am already buckled into the drivers' seat, no way does he get moved this summer...and yeah, apparently it is three strikes and your out....pretty much...Sather won't move him at least until his NMC expires... I think there's also the sense with them(as with a general majority of the wall) that eventually the light switch will go on and suddenly the Rangers will have the beast of a power forward they've longed for all these years...in reality, I think Bob has it right...we'll see 20-30 goals from Nash, maybe 50-60 points...and then he'll vanish in the playoffs...I do, however, think this is the last season for Nash as a Ranger unless he lives up to expectations...once his NMC expires, he's vanishing schtick is going to get really old really quick...my prediction is he's moved by July 1 next year, barring a monster season.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 6:05 pm EST

No Stevie, you're not worth it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 5:15 pm EST

Polis want to try and threaten me too? You're the punk with the big mouth. Go cheer for your fishstink pick. Go ballistic on yourself . Have a nice meltdown.

stevielegs


Sun Jul 13 2014 4:38 pm EST

If MCILLRATH & MILLER make the Team, and contribute we are headed back to the ECF. Period. End of story!!!

hipcheck


Sun Jul 13 2014 4:11 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/are-nhl-teams-warming-up-to-advanced-stats-like-corsi-and-fenwick/

mf


Sun Jul 13 2014 3:49 pm EST

TD you don't talk hockey. You rip hockey players without foundation, and INVENT the foundation to do so.Two totally different things. Stevie the Unintelligible!! We're have you been hidin? On the other Wall spewing your right wing crap all day? Another who contributes nothing, in his own language no less, and that's how you chime, in punk style? Fuck off you freak.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 3:40 pm EST

stevielegs -I've wondered the same thing. Everyone deserves a second chance but this has gone on long enough.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 3:37 pm EST

Polis - you're a funny guy. I mean, REALLY funny! I still can't tell if you're seriously this crazy or if you just have a dry sense of humor that I'm not catching, so fire away, old hoss. I eagerly await your libel and/or slander case. But do yourself a favor and look those two words up before you make yourself look even more ridiculous. Look. I'd really like to stop addressing you period, but you simply can't help yourself from taking digs. Again, I eagerly await your forthcoming meltdown when hopefully the moderator drop kicks you out of this place for repeated violations of the TOS so we can all get back to talking reasonably about hockey, not which Ranger is going to file a slander suit against me....bwhahahahha. That still cracks me up. So funny dude.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 3:34 pm EST

Is there a moderator or administrator reading this nonsense?

stevielegs


Sun Jul 13 2014 1:13 pm EST

These are YOUR words TD, not mine. And they're libelous. I just c&p'd every one of yours, and they ABSOLUTELY are reflected here. Out of courtesy to others here who've had more than enough of this back n forth, I WILL NOT address this here again. I will do what I alluded to, youve been told. And hey, its your money! So keep it up, pal. Meantime, you keep slandering me, I'm going to come find you myself.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:54 am EST

RR: yesterday I watched the youtube of Lucic hitting Nash several times......... IMO, if the guy can hustle back and play stellar defense through most of the playoffs, and dial the defensive effort in the SCF's, why can't he do the same in & on the offensive side of the game, "IN THE OFFENSIVE ZONE?" Answer: cause he chooses not to... He won't put himself in harms way.... All the evidence I need is when I heard an interview where he said, "THERE'S LIFE AFTER HOCKEY." Sather, call San Jose, collectively speak to JoeT & Nash, get on the horn with Ottawa & then Winnipeg, get this fucking thing done.............

mf


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:53 am EST

TD- Sorry bout that! I now remember you mentioning him and then I saw an article on him. I totally agree with you that he could potentially slot right in and lessen the blow of losing those 1st rd picks in the St Louis trade by essentially picking up and NHL-ready 1st rounder for nothing! Sather better as shit be on the phone now or shortly to get this kid. Forgot about Teravainen! I guess CHI wants him to have a full year of AHL under his belt before slotting him in which is why the signed BRich...

PatrickDiv


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:52 am EST

Polis - I can't argue with someone crazier than a $hithouse loon, so please do. Alert the team and its attorneys. Tell them how delusional you are --you know, just give them the heads up --and then point to this site that reflects nothing of what you just posted. Then hopefully, someone will bring you some medication that will deliver you a moment of clarity. You've earned it.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:47 am EST

What is this, 3 strikes & you're out? Nash didn't dial it up the first 2 games of the SCF, it was the last 2 or 3 games that he did.... That's what I saw. (Just as I thought Staal didn't have a particularly good SCF's, ditto VIC) ......... Here's what I'd do, 3rd time: call San jose, see if they're willing to join with us by offering Joe T& Rick Nash to Ottawa.. Naturally, they'd need Joe T & Nash to agree to move there... Ottawa is looking for a center, they have the CAP, both players are from Ontario...... Ottawa sends us Bobby Ryan, and, some players have to go to WINNIPEG to induce them to send their "headache" aka: Evander Kane to San Jose... Complicated, you bet, likely, a long shot, possible, ABSOLUTELY! I see this as a 4 win situation..... Think it 5through befeore you blast me, and all critiques are welcomed.... Have a good one folks, of to the ma-cha-tun-nem.... Thats "in-laws" in yiddish... :-) have fun, play nice. :-)

mf


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:39 am EST

TD you admit you never even watched Nash get hit by Lucic yet come here and slander Nash every day, just like you did to Chris Kreider. Next time think Ill notify the team. Im pretty sure Cablevision has attorneys on retainer. Pity that!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:35 am EST

York18 - You hit the nail on the head...frankly, I think the real issue with NASH indeed is his intensity. People rightly gave him props for playing an improved all-around game in the playoffs...or at least the last round...what they forget is that his improvement brought him to a level of intensity most players have all season...we saw how he dialed it up in Columbus...the fact that he doesn't do that game in and game out says to me his bumps to the head have little to do with his issues right now...Why does Rick Nash suck in the playoffs so much? 'Cause he simply can't dial it up when everyone else around him does. He can't match that intensity that makes guys like BOYLE look good in the post-season...I think that, right there, is why we won't ever see Nash with the Conn Smythe...and I think it's why even if he does rebound to have a 60 or 70-point season, it won't make a hill of beans difference once the playoffs start...totally agree with Brooks too, that a Nash trade isn't on the radar for the Rangers, even though it's what they should have considered all along...But if we have a repeat of his performances from either of his first two seasons, I think Rick Nash will be the first one moved come draft day 2015...and unless something has improved dramatically, we ain't going to get back nearly what we paid.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:26 am EST

PatrickDiv - I mentioned HAYES the other day and if he goes UFA, Sather had better be on the horn with his agent come the stroke of midnight on Aug. 15...Not saying he's going to be a superstar, but he could very well help us forget that we haven't/won't have had a first-round pick since 20012...Hayes would be an incredible windfall if the Hawks do let him go to free agency...Size, skill, the Kreider connection and just an incredible senior year at BU...I kind of doubt the Hawks let him fly the coop...if they really think he's leaving, they'll probably try to at least get a draft pick for him...I'll say this though, there's a perfect storm brewing with Hayes...the Hawks are against the wall with contracts...they simply can't do him much better than a two-way contract...and he's pretty close to NHL-ready...I'd say he could make the jump straight from college...and if that's what he's looking to do, the Hawks aren't an organization he'll be doing it with...No cap space...no space on the top three lines at all...even fourth line is pretty locked in...and if there's a rookie they're going to keep around, it's going to be TERAVAINEN...the Hawks already have to find a spot in the top nine for him and I kind of doubt they'd move a piece like VERSTEEG or SHARP to accommodate a rookie who may or may not pan out next season...So if Hayes wants to be in the NHL, he's going to have to do it with another team...In my estimation, he'd fit rather nicely on third line...he'd actually be a great replacement for POULIOT, though he doesn't play with Poo's edge. Nevertheless, if he's available, he should be high on Sather's priority list.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:17 am EST

So who will win this grudge match? ...... http://worldcup.usatoday.com/2014/07/12/germany-argentina-2014-world-cup-final-lionel-messi/

mf


Sun Jul 13 2014 11:08 am EST

Polis - I was going to write something really snarky in response to your bat-$hit crazy diatribe, but decided against it. You're at a level of dementia that I simply can't fathom --one more to be pitied than mocked. Good luck.

tdchi


Sun Jul 13 2014 8:41 am EST

Kevin Hayes the 2010 1st rd pick of CHI (6ft1 200+lbs) is looking more and more like he will be the prized FA should he not come to terms with CHI. The kid is projected to be a top six fwd. In 2011-12: Hayes skated in all 44 games for national champion Boston College in his sophomore season. Playing both wing and center for the Eagles, Hayes was frequently on a line with New York Rangers' prospect Chris Kreider. Wonder if Krieder has made a phone call or two....

PatrickDiv


Sun Jul 13 2014 8:27 am EST

I think Nash will score 18-23 goals next season if he does not get his gourd wrecked again. Then he will be useless in the playoffs again.....if they make the playoffs.

Bob


Sun Jul 13 2014 12:26 am EST

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James-Tanner/Setoguchi-Rumoured-to-be-Arizona-Bound-Moss-Re-signed/200/61287

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 10:42 pm EST

a breath of optimism......http://bluelinestation.com/2014/07/12/the-youth-movement-new-york-rangers/

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 10:37 pm EST

and, these arbitration dates will help ensure slim pickins on the free agent table.........

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 10:35 pm EST

I don't have a good feeling about this years team, especially with what we're seeing on L.A., Anaheim, Chicago, St.Louis...... We are NOT an upper echelon team, and, have no cap room, nor 1st round pick..... http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/07/12/new-york-rangers-to-take-steps-back-this-upcoming-season/

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 10:17 pm EST

MF - Not that I think Brooks is very sage, but my reflexive and totally unsubstantiated opinion of his take on NASH is that he is spot on...and come March/April of next year we will be glad for it....Afer the POs might be another story...

Hospo


Sat Jul 12 2014 10:13 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2127194-how-much-will-2014-free-agent-exodus-harm-the-new-york-rangers

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 9:23 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/07/12/rick-nash-is-not-leaving-the-garden/

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 8:18 pm EST

Brooks says NYR has no intention of moving Nash.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 12 2014 5:44 pm EST

On Head injuries had someone close to me take a serious head injury and their balance was severely affected. Things normally taken for granted had to be concentrated on forget hockey. It took a long time to get back to a normal life and it wasn't easy. If Nash can't play hockey because of this he needs to move on not because of any reason then have some honor and don't take something you don't deserve and then shake your head and treat people like idiots saying you don't know what's wrong when you obviously do. Nash IMO has no intensity to his game and that's what the pkayoffs are he is not an intense player never has been and has never been a big game player he makes team Canada pads his stats in non medal rounds against weaker teams and disappears in meaningful games. Sounds familiar? Trade him, for what? We are stuck with him and I feel sorry for him if he's fighting head injuries but if you're going to play go out on your shield like Lafontaine and Lindros not hiding

York18


Sat Jul 12 2014 4:34 pm EST

JFC, at least you saw him coming at you...which, of course doesn't make it that much better, how about Cheapshot Lemieux, good ole Claude. Lord I hated that player.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 12 2014 2:59 pm EST

MF I never worry about $. Its acquiring the player. If Sather IDs a guy he already knows how to make it work.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 12 2014 2:26 pm EST

Hospo- I don't get your need to doom every prospect who gets the call from this organization before they skate one game. It doesn't come off as sage, just as reflexive and unsubstantiated.

Messier11


Sat Jul 12 2014 1:53 pm EST

Demoting Kostka $650k & Hunwick $600k= $1,250,000 ........Calling up JTMiller $895K....Lindberg $675K ..... will be a wash at best, may even cost us... IMO

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 1:27 pm EST

Klein makes almost $3m. Sathers got some wiggle room too. All these no name signings are listed against cap now. They be demoted as will Fast. Hospo, the kid has played against men and was playoff MVP. He was PPG 2nd half in AHL. Why inept & negativity? How about enormoys improvement over Richards?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 12 2014 1:21 pm EST

we could probably have Penner for $1-$1.25mill....... & if Slather gets our 4 guys signed to closer to his terms, Penner costs us nothing but Dollans. :-)

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 1:16 pm EST

Bickell is paid $4mill per we can't afford him..........http://www.capgeek.com/blackhawks/ ............ What's the latest on McIL-Knee ? (sarcasm) Hope he doesn't become McIL-bust

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 12:49 pm EST

RABID - But then who do you get for Lindberg after 10 games of ineptitude (Or, to be nicer, lack of readiness)? Gotta think ahead

Hospo


Sat Jul 12 2014 12:33 pm EST

Jofa

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 12 2014 11:55 am EST

And yet Gretzky never got concussed, despite a Joffa helmet made of swiss cheese. Hmm..Hawks might be shopping Bickel, who Id be all over for Puliots spot. Plug him in, Lindberg for Richards, go to camp. Itd prob cost a dman, maybe Moore or Klein. Promote McIlrath and we're substantially better, bigger, better PP. Unless we have serious shot at Sharp lol.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 12 2014 11:53 am EST

the Boyle reference was sarcasm

mf


Sat Jul 12 2014 11:41 am EST

Look at Cementheads fight videos on YouTube....he usually is throwing punches before the other guy even gets his gloves off....effin goon.

JFC31


Sat Jul 12 2014 11:37 am EST

Top --Dave Cementhead was a dirty, talentless goon who used to cold-cock guys all the time. If you went anywhere near Gretzky, he would just throw punches before even challenging the opponent. That clip is a perfect example....he rushed Kocur with the intent to throw punches and he caught Kocur before he could get ready. Dirty POS....could never stand the guy.

JFC31


Sat Jul 12 2014 11:20 am EST

here is how tough semenjko was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngBfaUkRKhk

Topovski


Sat Jul 12 2014 11:17 am EST

it was dave not wally semenko, and boyle is NOWHERE close to dave as a protector

Topovski


Sat Jul 12 2014 9:24 am EST

BD- HAS THE BEST AGENT IN NHL. CRAZY: Dubinsky’s deal has a cap hit of $5.85 million and includes no-move and no-trade clauses. (Pierre LeBrun)9AM: Brandon Dubinsky has signed a six-year extension with the Columbus Blue Jackets. (CBJ)-He had 16 goals and 34 assists in the regular season last year and 1 goal and 5 assists in the playoffs

schneidw


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:08 pm EST

Looks like MOSS may have signed a 1yr for $800K.... perfect RW for our 4th line....... Good job Glennie........http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8469664&docid=TeamPlayerBio:35016#&navid=nhl-search ......... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2498

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:08 pm EST

These players sure have to produce to make these huge contracts palatable at all. Nash needs to go because he is not productive enough. On another subject, anybody see Dubinsky's comments about the finals? He was really happy for Gaborik. and was not unhappy that the Rangers were beaten. He has a long-term deal at over $5MM per. Nothing like getting the last laugh!

Bob


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:05 pm EST

DAVID MOSS off the table, signs a 1yr with the Desert Dogs.....http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57512-Arizona-Coyotes-sign-steady-forward-David-Moss-to-oneyear-deal.html

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:01 pm EST

ERIC GUDBRANSON (22y/o) signed as an RFA with the Panthers yesterday, however the terms were not immediately released... Gudbranson, a 1st round #3 overall pick signed a 2 year worth $2.25mill this coming season, and $2.75mill the season after for an AAV of $2.5mill....... I though it could be a decent comparison for what to expect of the KREIDER negotiations........

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

I've been thinking about it a bit... If the opportunity came up and if Colorado would do it, I'd flip Stepan for O'Reilly. Stepan has basically been a 50+ point player since college. He would be a great second line center on a good team. O'Reilly had 64 points last year and should continue to improve on those numbers. Obviously, if the Rangers can make it happen without dealing Stepan, that would be idea. I read a rumor that there was talk of Phaneuf and Franson for O'Reilly. Perhaps Marc Staal, Derek Brassard, and John Moore for Ryan O'Reilly and defenseman Ryan Wilson. Thoughts?

evets1980


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:08 pm EST

math is off $25,000..... $12,750,000 with $1,250,000 to spend........ And this is why NASH must be traded, AND, I have yet to hear any creative ways of moving him "except" for my 4 team long-shot, which the Rangers should be all over.. It's a win, win, win, win, for everyone IF Joe T & Nash will accept a trade to Ottawa.......

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:03 pm EST

Rhet: I believe we agree more than we disagree on this subject. The bottom line is, Sather has $14,000,000 to work with: Brass $5m, Zucc$5m, Krieder$2.5m, JMoore$1.5m..... Will that get the job done? Will these guys take less so tha Sather & the team can sign another player?....IE: Brassard & Zucc each sign for $4.5mill, and give them "4" $250K bonus incentives.... The first two incentives can be real easy to obtain, like "lacing your skates 5 times" & making 5 Ranger Promotional appearances to the under privaleged. The next two bonuses would be for actual on ice performance, so they could attain $5.5mill each which is 1/2 a mill more than the $5mill I initially proposed... Same for Kreider, offer him a base salary of $2.25mill & give him "3" incentive clauses, 1 easy one like sign 10 autographs, and 2 bonuses performance related. The Kid could earn 3 mill per.... JMoore I'd just offer him $1.5mill...... So, you have $12,725,000 committed to base salaries, and a risk of $1.75 mill in bonuses you'd have to pay out next year, and you have $1,275,000 to sign another forward........

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 6:44 pm EST

MF.... Most guys will not take easily attainable bonuses as part of their salary, especially not in their prime years (they'd be screwed if injured). The one exception is St. Louis. At his age he may be willing to take a lower base salary(cap hit), with easily attainable bonuses. He is a team guy and he wants to win, so it wouldn't be a shocker to see him do it. We shall see. BTW, per previous reports, the cap is expected to go up next season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 11 2014 5:53 pm EST

if Sather uses the entire $14mill he has this year to sign "our" guys, and the cap stays at the same level as this season, Sather will have approx $18mill to sign: MSL, Stepan, Hagelin, Staal & Talbot.... This does not include any bonuses that may need to be paid as a result of this seasons contract negotiations....IMO, Sather should explore building in attainable bonuses this year and next year, and roll the dice forward & hope the Cap Increases enough to wiggle out of it......

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 5:40 pm EST

Sather is penny-wise and pund foolish. Stepan will be looking for Stastny money next season. Stepan's numbers are slightly better than Stastny's over the past three season and I'm sure he'll want to get paid. Add to it the ridiculous amount of money that Dubi just got signed to and we may be screwed with Brassard as well. Fun times.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 11 2014 5:05 pm EST

Our Semenko was Brian Boyle.. Unfortunately, this since 94 or so, this organization has a reputation of not coming to the defense of each other.. Maybe we should go after PENNER, he's still unsigned...... OAN, I've been all over the trade NASH bus... Most recently because of the cap, and the fact that we don't have a "big in stature" center to line up along side Nash......

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:48 pm EST

Thanks MF. Nick said last yr. Point is, it happens. Cant compare to Kane & Toews. Theyre doin all-time shit. At least I strive for some accuracy & understanding. Wish youse corrected some of the other crap I see here. Have a good weekend.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:31 pm EST

"Lunar-Tick" :-)

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:31 pm EST

Toews career POs: 94 games, 29-52-81. This past year: 19-9-8-17. Nash, career: 41-5-13-18. This past year: 25-3-7-10. Your stats a bit ... off.

Nick


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:27 pm EST

RR, you gotta stop with the Toews/Nash and Toews/Stepan comparisons. I mean come on. It's unhinged.

Nick


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:22 pm EST

Hey Rabbit, do you know what the 1st bug on The Moon was ?

mf


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:13 pm EST

Danny Kristo took his qualifier. A guy on no one's radar I'd LUV to see get a real shot.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:12 pm EST

Don't disagree RF. Nash had a flat-out bullseye on him that game, remember that helpless feeling all too well. No protection in sight. Another time my anger goes straight upstairs, because this stuff should be anticipated, 101. Its a nasty, dirty, often roller derby-esque league. You paid so much for Nash, where's his Semenko? I also think that's a big part of why we've seen Nash tip his toe back in kind of hesitantly.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 4:05 pm EST

RR: So was McQuaid. That asshole goes under the radar for nastiness because Marchand, Chara and Lucic are his teammates, but he's as nasty as any of those assholes.

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 3:58 pm EST

And I just saw something kinda funny as it relates to what's been going on here; Nash this year had one point less than Toews did in last years playoffs. Somehow the one guy is worth every penny of his 10.5 but we should dump Nash for a 7th rd pick.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 3:51 pm EST

I do RF. It wasn't good. The Lucid one grinds me, without be able to know for sure what was in his head, because it seemed obvious he was trying to put a lick on our brand new shiny acquisition, as we suddenly posed a threat to the then Cup defending Bruins. May/may not have been first game of season, but pretty sure it was first time they saw Nash.and it just SUCKED because Sather really did wait a long time to build enough assets to make a deal for a centerpiece guy, and Nash was the right guy, if a year or two older than I would've liked. Think thats another thing he's coping with (some nights). The confidence part is huge as always, and maybe a half step behind throws your game off too. And then the Stuart shot was like taking a cinderblock off the point of your chin at 30MPH. can't believe he a) stood up, and b) even came back.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 3:50 pm EST

evets1980: I agree, I think Colorado would want Stepan. I don't think they will want Nash and his cap hit especially since they signed Jarome Iginla. Maybe if Sather could work a three way trade. But I have a feeling Sather wants to keep Nash.

davidsoc30


Fri Jul 11 2014 3:01 pm EST

RR: Do you recall the McQuaid hit later in the game? That was equally nasty, if not worse IMO.

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 2:13 pm EST

Oh this is just CLASSIC, priceless! The person who comes on here everyday to blast Rick Nash doubts the existence of the Lucic hit? O-M-G. If such a person was even a half an observer of the game he would have spotted it, even though it was a subtle, sneaky, nasty, rotten fucking play. Why not take a moment from being a serial slanderer and go to YouTube and simply type 'Lucic Hit Nash ' before calling the man's integrity into question every single day?! The very moment it happened I strongly suspected 4 major NYR assets (and perhaps 5 if you beliwve Jonathan Audy Marchessault was part of the deal) had just gone in the garbage pail. I only needed to see Nash's face to see he was in a place he'd never been to before. And here some are daily trying to ascertain the overall trade and pounding their chests as if they knew all along, blah, blah?! Unless Nash somehow turns it around we will NEVER KNOW the true outcome of that deal, had everyone stayed healthy. Now what REALLY infuriates me is that hit began a string of what has to be an unprecedented series of calls & Non calls against the Rangers that IMO collectively robbed us of a Stanley Cup. Lucic on Nash. Prust on Stepan. Weaver on Brassard. King falling on Hank. And then the triple whammy, Zuc called for interference when he was interfered with - and the play embellished!!!NO CALL ON ANY OF THEM!!! Now, to show I'm not on some vendetta and I acknowledge other legit points of view, the one thing about Nash that has perplexed me is that one game in Columbus. He was so revved, we just have not seen that Nashin a Ranger uniform, and yeah, it TOTALLY went against the idea he was a guy playing careful, etc. , because hewas a MONSTER that night. The only thing I can think of there is his adrenaline was pumping so much to be back in his former home that it overcame his trepedation. But as I also said twice today, its his scoring touch that's missing. He can't new accused of playing soft in the playoffs, he was throwing some major bombs. Now whether that 'courage',(if we have to call it that about a guy playing with his career hanging by a thread every play) extends into carrying the puck across the slot where players routinely get wrecked, I can't say. I haven't seen him do it much at all, nor, as a recovering headshot victim, can I say he SHOULD just yet. He could, literally, be giving up the whole fucking thing at this point in his recovery. See what happens. JFC, I don't know why you're bent on of shape, I haven't directed any vitriol towards you. Sure you critique and ridicule guys all you want. However, when it is internet based & gets to a level of maliciousness that can be deemed hurtful and without basis, it has increasingly been challenged in courts with even a few successes. That idiot Bryan Burke has a case, don't want to get into it. But when I see this stuff from The Dimwit whom daily said here that Chris Kreider faked an injury and was dogging it (as opposed to maybe, you know, beinginjurd and trying to understand a higher level of play) I'm sorry, I throw my fist up in the air and shout it down. You're welcome to join me.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 1:53 pm EST

No one should be playing if they are suffering PCS. That's crazy if they are. IMO, Nash adjusted his game in fear of suffering a 4th concussion. All that said, TD isn't wrong about the stretches of invisibility we see from Nash. All goal scorers experience that, but when Nash goes thru them he looks like he's simply not trying. I guess part of that is his style: When he's on he's carrying the puck and driving the net, unlike more traditional goal scorers who find seams and are given the puck and fire it at the net. In other words, when he's off it really is obvious.

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 1:50 pm EST

Mess - Yeah, that's true...It just seemed to me like he lost confidence in his offensive moves and was just playing vanilla and straight up after the provious year's PO failure.....Hell, Boyle was the big guy doing the dipsy doodle stuff! But, maybe you're right, maybe he was keeping it simple to avoid backside or open ice hits?...OTOH, he was going behind the net and along the boars a lot, places where he had previously been rocked...Guess we'll have to wait and see..

Hospo


Fri Jul 11 2014 1:41 pm EST

Hospo- I thought about that too. But its a lot safer to play physically without the puck than it is to take risks carrying the puck in.

Messier11


Fri Jul 11 2014 1:40 pm EST

RABID - Just to clear things up.. I have zero problem with ya or your stance on NASH..The only point I was making was that if a poster attacks a player, it's just an opinion, don't attack or ridicule the poster, just go after or refute the opinion......My SIMPLE take on NASH? He knows he let the team down last year...Only he can say whether it was because of his actual health,or his hesitancy or concern for his health,,,,,But, what I saw in the POs was that concern or injury was thrown to the wind and he was as physical as any Ranger....and there was no further injury....This year he's gonna have to figure out why his offense left him but I think he will be raring to go and is to talented not to explode if he plays s hard as he did in the POs...35 goals coming up

Hospo


Fri Jul 11 2014 1:27 pm EST

If he's playing less than 100% bc of PCS, then he should sit out until he's ready to commit to his contractual obligation 100%. Thats what he owes the organization and the fans.

Messier11


Fri Jul 11 2014 1:21 pm EST

RR --are you Nash's lawyer? He doesn't need you to represent him her....he doesn't even know we exist. In addition, he IS a public figure and that means that taking/receiving criticism comes with the territory....it's actually protected by laws in the country....public figures can be caricatured, made fun of and even unfairly hounded by paparazzi. Wall denizens, on the other hand, are not multi-millionaire public figures....we're supposed to be people with a common interest who co-exist on The Wall in a (semi)peaceful manner. Again, Rick Znash is a big boy! he's a public figure and he doesn't have any clue what is said here. He doesn't need you to represent him.

JFC31


Fri Jul 11 2014 12:42 pm EST

TD-Documented concussions? He has had 2 with the Rangers at least. I recall him disappearing during his first year for stretches, but by years end he had decent numbers. This past year, he was simply a perimeter player, making dopey spinaramas in the middle of the ice and not going near the boards. He clearly did not want to be hit. Why is that? Beats me but I have seen it before with players who suffered head injuries. I don't think he is the player he as any longer. Now that is the Rangers' problem. Meanwhile, Dubinsky is becoming a star in Columbus. Who would have predicted that? Not me, for sure.

Bob


Fri Jul 11 2014 12:35 pm EST

Bob - If I had a brain injury that was noticeably impacting and/or was causing me to fear my job in a manner that was seriously impeding my performance...yes, I'd quit. LaFontaine did it. So did Lindros. Not sure if Pronger or Savard have formally retired, but they essentially quit too...I have no way of knowing the severity of the one documented concussion Nash had...I have some questions as to whether the "others" constantly referred to here(namely the Lucic elbow) even existed...what I can tell you is that Nash has and has always had a long documented history of disappearing for LONG stretches at a time...Look at his stats in 2013...here we have a point-per-game player...one who allegedly suffered a concussion on in mid-February...who comes back, still manages to maintain his stats(though they were padded during a few blowouts like the one in Buffalo)...and then vanishes in the post season...we got a similar Rick Nash last season, only with even longer and more pronounced dry spells...and then the vanishing act in the post-season...look, if Rick Nash plays like he did against Columbus last season, then I have no problem with him, the trade or paying him $7.8 million...my issue comes when he doesn't perform and people sit around and make excuses for him while simultaneously bashing a guy like RICHARDS, who at least gave 110 percent while he was here...and was paid $1.2 million less.

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 12:14 pm EST

Thanks KIS. I was trying to make same point earlier. 2-3 years seems about the average from all Ive read. Thing is, results are mixed, right? LaFontaine came back and produced, had a good stretch for us, Lindros too. But both were still very susceptible, as it it turned out. Crosby's come back (with the help of a machine some neurological experts say is revolutionary) Everybody's different though. What's the timeline? I said I thought it odd that guys like Nash & Booth, two sharpshooters, were no longer sharp. They're both back playing, hitting & getting hit, not enough ill-effects to sideline them again.But its a game of inches, milli-seconds So it's an unpredictable but very real thing.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:59 am EST

Newman... I've got to think that any deal with Colorado for O'Reilly would require Derek Stepan going back in return. The depth at center for most teams in the West has gone WAAAYY up with Anaheim bringing in Kesler, Dallas bringing in Spezza, and Stastny going to St. Louis. The Avalanche management will not weaken their position at center for Nash (a declining winger).

evets1980


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:58 am EST

rabid, I believe I have to agree with you. I think nash will have a better season this year. I think he started feeling better during the playoffs and felt less afraid. He started playing more physical. He played well defensively. He just couldn't score. I think he will put it all together this coming season. I was just reading an article on Brianna Scurry( US women's Goalie) and her head trauma It took her 3 years and an operation to her neck to just get rid of headaches. she is still receiving treatment to work on her balance. Crazy shit head trauma

KIS


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:44 am EST

RF; Cmon. Hospo, I believe in treating everyone respectfully, right until they prove theyre not worthy of it. But I cant do a whole thing on this today; I just can't. A 4-year old could understand the man is was/injured, he's having some issues right now. Certain people CHOOSE not to understand, because they think they have a big juicy target and they can show how knowledgeable and tough they are. PLEASE, already. How are you not offended when one of the players you root for is maligned so unfairly? Cause I never hear a damn word......

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:21 am EST

Anyone think that we should make a call to Colorado regarding O'Reilly? He's currently making 6.5? and is going to arbitration where he will most likely get a pay cut to 5.5-6m for either 1 or two years. If he elects for the two year option on the contract value given by the arbiter, he will be UFA in two yrs. Me thinks that he & Colorado mgmt have pretty much had enough of each other. Would they take Nash for O'Reilly & a player to offset Nash's cap hit? Colorado would still have Duschene & MacKinnon (who would move back to center). Worth a call, don't you think?

Newman


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:18 am EST

RABID - Curious, do you not see a difference between taking shots at a player we don't even know and doing the same with a person or poster we are conversing/hanging out with on the Wall on a dialy basis?

Hospo


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:15 am EST

RR: Who died and made you the omnipotent emperor of the wall....

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:06 am EST

Umm...repeated antagonistic hyperbole towards and (injured) player?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 11:01 am EST

Jeez, why the antagonistic hyperbole directed towards other posters' opinions? "Sick m-f-ckers"??? What the point of that? I don't get it.

JFC31


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:59 am EST

That's right Bob. And to his credit Nash stood there afterwards and took it like a man, said its not at all good enough, and hes as frustrated as anybody. That's all anyone can do. See how he comes back....if he can't get going, obviously, its problematic.Sather will eventually have to eat half his deal and ship him somewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:51 am EST

I`m not giving Nash a pass - he makes too much money for that. Just musing about what might have made him change his style somewhat. Bottom line is that change puts the team in a bind because of the cap hit and what he`s not doing on a team that desperately needs him for what he can do. Another reason why going outside the organization for top end talent is the secondary to developing it in-house. Another reason why bottoming out can have it`s pluses. Of the last few cup teams (Boston, Pittsburgh, LA and Chicago) only the former have won it without players taken in the top 5 in the draft playing integral roles. That is only going to become more important because teams are locking up their key players well before they are eligible to hit the UFA market. I am not saying you can`t win without those types of players; just saying it`s quite difficult and likely growing in difficulty. Of the past 6 cups only the Bruins qualify as a team that won without this - that`s a 17% ratio....

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:42 am EST

I don't think Nash should get a pass. I also don't think he should walk away from all the money because he has had a concussion. The rangers are stuck. It is not their fault that injuries have diminished the player. Would any of YOU walk away from $7.8MM per because you were worried about getting hit in the head? However, if he does not produce he deserves the grief he takes. With great salaries comes great responsibility.

Bob


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:41 am EST

Quit pickin on a guy with a brain injury! You see what Ho-Sang did yesterday TD?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:34 am EST

Stay classy, Wall!!

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:34 am EST

So they can get THEIR heads examined.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:32 am EST

I got it. Why don't we just take Nash out back & shoot him? He couldnt finish in POs, he makes huge money, he deserves it. He shanked a shot of a Dmans stick in Game 5, wide open net, woulda forced an epic Gm 6 at home that probably would've forced a return to LA for a Cup match. Fuck it. His head is injured already, he won't feel a thing. Lets get some real CIA-inspired triangulated crossfire going, it'll be a turkey shoot! That, or let's start a fund for any sick mutherfuckers who can't understand brain trauma.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:27 am EST

MORROW signs a one-year deal in Tampa, $1.55 million. Any doubt the Lightning are all in this year should be alleviated...

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:25 am EST

he also reportedly did not believe in video work, and apparently the players and assistant coaches developed a ruse to get him out of the room during the playoffs when they wanted to run over footage with the players

Messier11


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:22 am EST

Nash got paid $159,183 PER POINT last season. Just wanted to break that out for y'all in case you missed it.

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:20 am EST

Bob/RF4L - So...Nash gets a pass because of his concussions. Well, then shouldn't RICHARDS get one too? Seem to remember he had a nasty one right before the Rangers signed him. But some reason Ranger fans never bring that up...Look, it's all well and fine to point to a concussion and say that's why Nash doesn't perform like he used to, but even if you're his neurologist, there's no way to say that with any sort of certainty...foisting it up as truth is disingenuous at best...There are guys who suffered numerous concussions and continued playing...there are guys who suffered numerous concussions who never even realized they suffered concussions...and yet there are guys who suffer one concussion and their careers are done...I'd offer to you that if Nash has as much of a problem with concussions as some here think he has, then he should immediately retire. If THAT is the sole reason he's not performing, then he should leave the sport before he ends up like Pronger...But for fans to give him a pass for it is ridiculous.

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:12 am EST

jnyr - I hear ya'...I'm someone who was more or less ambivalent to the RICHARDS signing...hated the NASH deal and hated the MSL deal...I guess I can see cutting Nash a little slack because he was traded here, versus Richards' signing here...but after the playoffs? Nope. No slack at all...We'd be having a cup celebration if Nash did was he was brought in to do...and while I guess you could make the same argument with Richards, the reason I bring Nash up constantly is that he ALWAYS seems to slip off the radar of fans and even the media...There's always an excuse for Nash...even as I type, there's probably another three posts being made about how Rick Nash suffered all these horrible concussions that somehow dramatically changedhow he plays and thus make it excusable for him to get paid $7.8 million and score only 10 points in 25 playoff games, including long stretches of goose eggs in between each point...And that's not including the hilarious 39-point campaign he had during the regular season...Just to put that into perspective, Nash got paid $159,183 PER POINT last season...10 points would have paid ZUCCARELLO'S salary for a year...the funniest part was the media talking about how awesome Nash is at defense now...and how on Team Canada there was this revelation that he's an ace penalty killer...well...that's nice, but that's not why he's here and it's certainly not what he's the second-highest paid player on the team...second only too LUNDQVIST, who actually does earn his paycheck...Look, I know Ranger fans want this guy to succeed desperately...but at some point, people have to start looking at the reality that is and has always been Rick Nash. You don't hear anyone in Columbus pining for him right now...and there's a good reason for that.

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 10:03 am EST

From what I have read and saw, I thought Keenan was indeed imploding and out of control during the latter part of the POs and the team and the leaders is what made the Cup possible...But that should not belittle the buttons that Keenan pushed all year in helping form and mold the team and it's identity, and motivating the hell out many a player (even if hate driven!)

Hospo


Fri Jul 11 2014 9:49 am EST

Theres way more than a smidgen. There are books with first hand accounts. As some are sayin and others might remember, Keenan gad benchec Leetch during finals. It was Messier in tears who pleaded with Keenan to quit fucking up the team before Gm6. That very uncomfortable ly typed on my cell, some will still believe what they want rather than reading the record of what transpired.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 9:41 am EST

For all of you who still get excited about this subject, let me recommend you a book: http://www.amazon.com/Keenan-Times-Misadventures-Hockeys-Controversial/dp/0965384608 Apparently its available used on Amazon for one penny (ha) but its a captivating read with a lot of insider stories. Written by one of the main beat writers for the Blues back during his era.

Messier11


Fri Jul 11 2014 9:40 am EST

RF4L--I think you nailed it on Nash. The last concussion did not seem to be that bad of a hit. Remember a couple guys that ended careers of Rangers......Richter with a puck to the mask, Lafontaine running into a teammate. Neither of those were Savard-like head shots. It sure seems like Nash knows he is susceptible, and his perimeter play is understandable. On Keenan.....sorry STEVIE----he was out of control and the Rangers winning in spite of him is a testimony to Messier mostly. Do you think Messier enjoyed Keenan belittling his buddy Leetch? Negotiating a sweetheart deal elsewhere during the finals is the ultimate disrespect towards the organization he was working for. I, for one, don't give a crap about the KHL.

Bob


Fri Jul 11 2014 9:26 am EST

stevie: LOL...I concur that's it`s crazy to say the cup was won despite of Keenan. He was a master motivator in his prime. Did they win solely because of him....hell no. I recall those Leetch rumours, too and thought they were nuts. I also recall Keenan started singling out Leetch for his negative treatment, which is his MO and in the past he did so often to the point where the player he targeted was so negatively effected, he ended up being traded. The rumour was Messier and Graves approached him and basically strong-armed him and he backed off. My point is they won due to a combination of people, including Keenan.

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 9:09 am EST

Keep those opinions coming..... I didn't know...." that team won in spite of Keenan".... . Is there a smidgen of evidence to prove that? .....I call bs....but you are entitled to your opinion.......is that your opinion on his khl team too?.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:58 am EST

Wild: Agreed. And more importantly, Columbus must like him! That`s quite a deal for a guy who struggles to score 20 goals. Obviously, he`s a big part of that club from a leadership perspective.

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:56 am EST

RF4L: he must like CBus...that deal takes him to 34 years old. I liked Dubi, was sad to see him go but was OK with it because of the player he is...but 5.85 with NMC and than a NTC is too rich for my likening.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:54 am EST

jnyr: What people forget is that he actually had 3 concussions in less than a year. The first one, which isn't talked about much, occurred when he was playing in Europe during the lockout. He came home early and the talk was a shoulder problem. Word leaked out, however, that he was concussed. Then he got concussed in Boston. Some say it was the Lucic elbow but I think he was when McQuaid slammed him against the glass behind the Bruin net and his head bounced off the glass. Perhaps it's a combination of both hits (and what I recall vividly and it still annoys me when I do is his teammates all standing around with their fingers in their asses). Then this past season out in SJ (game 2 or 3) he took a high hit from Stuart. It was definitely illegal and Stuart targeted his head, but man oh man we've seen far more lethal hits that don't result in concussions to other players (i.e. Prust's hit on Stepan in the POs). For sure he's susceptible. And documentation on concussions indicate for most people once you have one, you're more prone to having another especially if the hits that cause them come close together. Also, he missed more time with the 3rd concussion vs the 2nd (who knows about the 1st, seeing as the NHL wasn't active then). I am not defending him because he's chosen to keep playing and keep cashing his paycheque, but no wonder he's reluctant to go to the high traffic areas. He did do that in the LA series and obviously came out unscathed. Hopefully, he starts the upcoming season with his fears at least somewhat eased. And really, it behooves Sather to ensure AV can ice a team that has some answers to hits like the ones that caused the concusssions. I say that understanding that it won't eliminate such hits (cuz we've been done that argument road too many times here) but it certainly will make some think twice and if that prevents even a single nasty hit, then that's a good thing.

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:45 am EST

Yikes...Dubinsky is gonna get $5,850,000/season on his new deal and has a no move and no trade clause. Geesh...

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:32 am EST

FYI.....I would have bought out Richards a year ago......did not like the Nash trade...and was totally against two No.1's and Cally for St.Louis.....

jnyr


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:30 am EST

td: I hear you on Nash......his 1st year here was the strike year....I gave him a pass. 2nd year he got a concussion 1st game of the season and still lead team with 26 goals despite missing significant time. The frustration of 3 playoff goals is warranted. Nash has 4 years left......I can see him at least having productive regular seasons......and us rolling the dice with him in the playoffs.......Not giving him a complete pass......just don't see him in Richards class Yet.....

jnyr


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:21 am EST

NEWSFLASH (for those living on the moon); Rick Nash has suffered multiple concussions.its takes time. Coincidentally or not, another pretty good sniper also lost his 'touch' after getting his brain rocked, David Booth. I mention him because rumors were NYR had offer on table to him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:17 am EST

Yeah, thought that went without saying on it being on management, almost always. That's why when I was killing Richards, I had Mark from Colorado sniping at me, hey, its never or very rarely a personal thing with me. Richards was/is by all accounts an outstanding human being. And I really liked the tone he set in the playoffs for a mostly young inexperienced team that needed it. They'll remember that.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:16 am EST

jnyr - I'd love to hear your thoughts on NASH. So funny how Richards takes the brunt of fan anger...and yet the guy who failed two consecutive playoffs in a row...the guy brought in to lead the team in scoring, but only leads the team in his cap hit...gets a free pass. Anyone who is going to point at Richards and call him a failure can't ignore what Nash has done in NY. His tenure here has been FAR more of a failure than Richards stint could ever be...And mind you, Nash has ALWAYS been on the top line....So funny that the Jackets just resigned Dubinsky for six years...I would wager a bet that if Nash was up for a contract next season, he wouldn't see nearly the love from the Rangers front office.

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:08 am EST

Let's go Rangers!!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:04 am EST

Brandon Dubinsky has signed a six-year contract extension with the Blue Jackets, a deal that puts him under contract with the club through the 2020-21 season. Terms of the deal were not immediately available. Dubinsky, 28, had 16 goals and 34 assists for the Blue Jackets last season, but really stood out in the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs against the Pittsburgh Penguins.

tdchi


Fri Jul 11 2014 8:00 am EST

Rabid: I couldn't agree with you more on Brad Richards......I wanted them to buy him out before the year started. 1st line center money for 3rd line center production.......Here is a joke for you.........What is the difference between Brad Richards and a bank robber??????? A bank robber wears a mask when he steals your money!!!!

jnyr


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:59 am EST

RABID - I guess one can always take that view...Unless the players are not obviously trying (i.e., Valbot Kamensky), you can easily look at the coaches and GMs for the blame..Take The Dark Years after say 96-97, where at one time or another we had players like Skrudland, Keane, Stifficus, Mclean, FLatley, Berg, Toms, Freaking Fedyk, Tool Taylor, the then rotting corpse of Tikanen, and others all playing prominent roles at times , playing with TGO..ad they were 4th liners (some exaggeration).......Yeah, the players sucked but who brought them in?..same for the Czechmatre years!..Anyway,it does indeed start at the top...but game by game, it's hard not to pick on the players even if we realizae they are SOMETIMES playing a role they shouldn't be in..But then, this place would lose even more traffic!! :)

Hospo


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:35 am EST

..... Was same frustration..... I'd pay for an edit button here.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:31 am EST

Wiosa, what Bob said is right on, that team won in spite of Keenan. Don't know I've ever heard of anything more damning of a coach than to be negotiating with another team during the Stanley Cup finals. I can't even dream of anything worse, except throwing a game. Most annoying? Hmmm....lemme see......Hana....anybody lately? Lol... Well, it'd be hard to annoy me more than Brad Richards has last two seasons. But what some might not get is my frustration is really directed at the management that put him there, or keeps him there. A guys skills are going, they're going. Happens to everybody. Kovalev was obviously maddening, yet always had a lovable quality to me, but in the end if wasn't same frustration, with the GM & coaches.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:09 am EST

Leetch for Tkachuk was mentioned on at least two separate occasions. That rumor had some legs.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 11 2014 7:03 am EST

Rabid, Kovalev for Shannahan? Hmmmm, I was a Shanny fan, NEVER a Kovalev fan. I dunno, you ever watch a player and every single thing about him annoys you? That's how I felt about 27. I could NOT stand that player. So, other than the years we would've picked up on that deal - I wouldn't have been too upset about that one. Leetch, though? There wasn't a team that wouldn't have taken Leetch, makes me seen the "miracle worker' Keenan in a new light. Thanks for the info.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 11 2014 6:59 am EST

Well, if this is going to be Chicago Central then I can say Ho-Sang had 3pts in Isles prospect game.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 10 2014 10:27 pm EST

I remembered the Leetc-Chelios nonsense from Keenan. he used to scream at Leetch that he was "no Chelios." That team won in spite of Keenan.

Bob


Thu Jul 10 2014 9:43 pm EST

Yup. And Kovalev for Brendan Shanahan. Ouch.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 10 2014 8:43 pm EST

Rabid, Keenan wanted to trade Leetch for Chelios? Seriously? I never knew that! I was always a fan of Chelios' (hated his good friend Roenick tho) but trade Leetch? Back in 93/94? Wow, learn something new every day.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 10 2014 7:59 pm EST

Not so fast Hospo, JT Miller may be part of my trade for BERGLUND... Don't you have some LOOOOOONG eyemelting posts to catch up on? :-)

mf


Thu Jul 10 2014 7:51 pm EST

TDCHI - "I suspect though he's banking on the rooks to fill at least two of the holes...and my gut tells me those rooks are MILLER and FAST." ..And this is what scares the beejeezus out of me and gives me visions of AV HAVING to turn to flotsam and jetsum like Mueller when they fail (add in Lindberg also)....OTOH, I don't mind either joltin jasper or Jesus in training on the 4th line with Moore and Glass, in fact it could be pretty decent,;;...But, still a lot of time left.....

Hospo


Thu Jul 10 2014 7:50 pm EST

So OTTAWA showed some interest in VinnyL..... This endorses my 4 team trade which would net the Senator's Thornton & Nash..... C'mon Sather read The Wall... Brooksie, deliver the message to corporate! :-)

mf


Thu Jul 10 2014 7:49 pm EST

Rf, this place is reminding me of when Keenan & Neil Smith had to go see then Gulf Western honcho Stanley Jaffe for a sitdown because Iron Mike wanted to trade Leetch for Chris Chelios and was driving Smith crazy. And Jaffe told him 'Mike, we're not becoming the New York Blackhawks!' then he added, knowing full well Keenan was their former coach, "because frankly, what have they ever won?" Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 10 2014 7:09 pm EST

Hospo - I think Mueller will be given a chance...and I suspect he'll end up right where he's spent the bulk of his professional career...the only place I could see him fitting is on the fourth line, and that means taking him over a guy like the still-unsigned CARCILLO, which is a bad move...or moving Dom MOORE up to third-line center and having Mueller pivot fourth line...which I think is an even worse move...I don't think Sather is done here...I think we see only four balls in the air that are left to drop when there are actually a few...the fact he isn't jumping on guys like HEATLEY or LEGWAND...guys who went cheap who could actually have fit pretty nicely on third line...suggests to me he's confident enough in filling those spots with whatever is left over when those four balls drop into place...Whether that means he's looking at the Hartford guys or that he's been in touch with some of the remaining UFAs remains to be seen...I suspect though he's banking on the rooks to fill at least two of the holes...and my gut tells me those rooks are MILLER and FAST.

tdchi


Thu Jul 10 2014 7:00 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Sweet Jesus, I hope that's not the case. So funny too...when I read your post on Mueller initially, ol' Crusher was the first to come to mind...but just playing devil's advocate here...even the Crushster managed a modicum of NHL success. Mueller has 8 points in parts of four seasons...I'm hoping we here at RFC aren't the only ones that know the ship has sailed on this guy.

tdchi


Thu Jul 10 2014 6:14 pm EST

RR - and they've lead the Hawks to 2 cups in the past 4 years. With perhaps more to come. Yes please!

RF4L


Thu Jul 10 2014 6:06 pm EST

Per Sam Carchidi of The Philadelphia Inquirer.... "The Flyers still are trying to trade Vinny Lecavalier, who signed a five-year, $22.5 million deal last season. Nashville and Ottawa are among the teams that have shown interest. Teams want the Flyers to pay a big part of his salary…There also are reports that teams want the Flyers to include a prospect or a draft pick in any deal including Lecavalier."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 10 2014 5:58 pm EST

TD... 2 words: Erik Christensen. Think of him as his clone :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 10 2014 5:06 pm EST

RF, Kane has scored 30 goals once in his career, and that was 3-4 yrs ago. Toews is to my mind slightly better version of Stepan, think he hit 70 pts once. What they are is phenomenal clutch players, especially Kane who is just off the charts with the OT winners already, its ridiculous. Thats what those contracts reflect. And I could care less, I want every team but us in cap hell. But they set a new ceiling, which is why all those FAs signed after the announcement and ended the lull. But that new ceiling ultimately costs us. Idk why I started about the contracts Lol...oh yeah, cause NYR have produced similar guys if you look at regular seasons. Font mind me Im bored.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 10 2014 4:03 pm EST

TD - You do remember how the Hawks got their 2 main stays. Right? Have the Rangers EVER had skaters like Kane and Toews that they drafted and developed? I guess Brian Leetch. But Damn he was drafted like 20 years ago....

RF4L


Thu Jul 10 2014 2:36 pm EST

Seems like Florida overpaid for Bolland.. BTW, Florida just came to terms with Eric Gudbranson on a two year deal, terms were not yet announced... As for my "4" team trade proposal, SATHER does not need to wait or be handcuffed by time, as Bobby Ryan's salary & cap hit are substantially lower..... If only Nash & Thornton would agree to go to Ottawa.... (see post: Thu Jul 10 2014 3:07 am EST)

mf


Thu Jul 10 2014 12:45 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/07/10/ex-ranger-in-18-million-dispute-over-gruesome-eye-injury/

mf


Thu Jul 10 2014 11:46 am EST

probably not worth it

Messier11


Thu Jul 10 2014 11:29 am EST

Sobotka's rights could be had. Sounds like he wanted more than 3 mill annually for a number of years.

Messier11


Thu Jul 10 2014 10:38 am EST

TDCHI - I am no fan of Chris MUELLER but why shouldn't he have a chance to make the Rangers? Right now, before the ARB hearings, you have question marks and not ready for prime time players like Fast, Lindberg and Miller in the Rangers Top 12 forwards (including two Top 9 slots), as well as Tanner Glass...Hell, the Rangers should have an open call for anybody that can skate!.........As for the ARB guys, I can really see SATHER digging in his heel against BOTH Brass and Kreider, given their regular season numbers,...I really don't think we will lose any of them, I just think 1 or 2 of them might not be happy with the results...

Hospo


Thu Jul 10 2014 10:02 am EST

Ott signs for 5.2, two years. 2.6 annual

Messier11


Thu Jul 10 2014 9:51 am EST

Ott was a Dash 38! , stupid penalties up the ass to boot. Thank God they passed on that knucklehead.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 10 2014 9:46 am EST

Sobotka signs with KHL, probably has an out-clause

Messier11


Thu Jul 10 2014 9:45 am EST

Strickland tweeted that there is "interesting news" regarding Sobotka in the next hour or so

Messier11


Thu Jul 10 2014 9:44 am EST

jesus

Messier11


Thu Jul 10 2014 9:34 am EST

Pierre LeBrun just tweeted Steve Ott re-signed with the Blues.

Gibbo


Thu Jul 10 2014 8:48 am EST

mf - I don't think anything happens until those four contracts are resolved...especially the three that are going to arbitration. The Rangers simply have no way of knowing what their cap space, if any, will be until at least ZUCCARELLO'S contract is inked...and I agree with the notion that a lot is hanging with BRASSARD'S deal...He had a good season and was an integral part of the team...BUT...if he's seeking BOLLAND money, the Rangers are in a jam...RF4L is right...the Rangers ARE the antithesis of the Hawks...So strange to think how what has already unraveled since game five could unravel significantly more if a few cards don't fall in Sather's favor...if the Rangers are forced into a situation where they need to move Brass, we're looking at a very LOOONG 2014-2015...and the more I think on it, the more I could see such a situation unfolding.

tdchi


Thu Jul 10 2014 8:47 am EST

TD - if you're right (and I think you are) its about freaking time Sather and company realized development is aided by playing on a successful team and hindered when a bottom dweller. Geesh. Development 101! Simply dont it when high priced managers are oblivious to the obvious...

RF4L


Thu Jul 10 2014 8:20 am EST

Rhet0ric - re: Chris MUELLER...outside of him pulling some sort of heroics in camp, I'd be floored if he ends up on the Rangers...Ditto with DESJARDINS, KAMPFER...HUNWICK, KOSTKA and Chris BOURQUE too, I would say, are all Hartford-bound, barring some sort of miracle...the latter three I'd say have a slight chance of making the team given what the roster looks like...Kostka just because he's a righty...Hunwick because he's a good seventh-eighth defender and BOURQUE just 'cause he's the most talented of the lot...The thing is, the Rangers are tired of Hartford losing. Last year was a bit of a joke, because in addition to having a team that could never get its offense going in any appreciable sense, they had one sieve after the next jumping between the pipes...and while it was nice for the prospects to practice with and experience the cup run, I'm sure everyone in the organization would have rather they played for the Calder Cup...the one refrain I kept hearing when signings like Mueller went down was that 'we need to improve Hartford...we need our prospects to have big-game experience.' Well, the only way to do that with a revolving lineup is to bring in ringers...guys who have a very good track record in the AHL. Desjardins will give them a good backstop, Mueller will give them a top-line center and Bourque a sniper. On paper, the Pack are looking like a very dangerous team...and I see 'one-way contract' highlighted in that link on Mueller's contract...well...sometimes you have to pay for results. $600k ain't going to push the Rangers over the cap in any appreciable sense...Maybe I'm wrong here, but I just don't see anything in Mueller(Chris, that is) that would suggest he's primed to challenge for third-line center...or even fourth-line center/wing. Not unless Sather has flipped his lid.

tdchi


Thu Jul 10 2014 3:11 am EST

"IF" Slather could somehow pull this off and have enough to land us BERGLUND, ............ :-)

mf


Thu Jul 10 2014 3:07 am EST

Dear Glennie Boy, It's time to think outside the box to get us back into the box... Here's a thought; 4 team trade. Call up San Jose and see if they have an interest in EVANDER KANE, it's going to cost them THORNTON. I think they'll say yes, as they want to transition younger, move Thornton, and promote Pavelski.. Next you orchestrate a conference call with OTTAWA, and offer them RICK NASH & JOE THORNTON (both are from Ontario, and naturally the key to this is they both have to approve the deal) but they have to send us BOBBY RYAN.. Next, some combination of players & or picks will have to go to WINNIPEG so they close the chapter on their Evander Kane Headache to San Jose.... Yeah it's complicated, but heck, it's creative....... BOBBY RYAN would have to agree in advance to extend his contract, he earned $5.1mill last year and is an UFA after this season, he is a RHS, 27y/o (3 years younger than Nash) he'd enable Slather to free up some cap dollars, get our RFA's all signed, and fill in with 2 low priced UFA's... Names that have already been tossed around here.. BOOTH, PENNER, SETOGUCHI, (ALFREDSSON IS A PLAYMAKER/FINISHER "RHS"), DAVID MOSS (RHS), STEMPNIAK (RHS), MICHAEL HANDZUS ...... Well, fire away with why it can't or won't work, and then maybe we can find out how to make it work...... :-)

mf


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:58 pm EST

I think Ribeiro cashes in at >3mill.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:56 pm EST

Mess.... You can offer guys cotracts with a $1 mil base and easy to achieve bonuses that can make them another few million. The $1 mil would only count against the cap. Think Iginla with the Bruins as an example.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:45 pm EST

No thanks.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:32 pm EST

Some David Booth rumors out there too. Sather was after him years ago.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:24 pm EST

Hockey Rumors... The 7 teams in on Evander Kane right now are the Sabres, Flyers, Pens, Habs, Leafs, Bruins and Canucks..... Also, after signing Toews and Kane to extensions, the Blackhawks are again shopping Patrick Sharp (even thought they deny it).

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:23 pm EST

but, agreed. We have no more moves coming up that aren't accompanied by a trade.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:23 pm EST

Ribeiro and Ott will sign for considerably more than 1 million. Roy had a very sub-par year, of those mentioned, he will be the closest to 1 million. Setoguchi is arguably the most attractive available for what he does, cant imagine why he'd sign for anything less than 2 million.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:52 pm EST

RF4L... There are still some bargains out there that can be had for a $1 mill, which is not that much more than a cap hit of one of these kids. Also, I would've felt better about these moves if we didn't almost completely blow up the 4th line for the 2nd time in three years. If we didn't trade Dorsett and re-signed Carcillo, we would've had a very solid 4th line. IMO, Less team upheaval. Glass on the other hand, is considered one of the worst players in the NHL by many people. I look forward to watching him play :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:37 pm EST

Rhet: This is Sather's MO. He's digging in his heels as he prepares to engage in 3 major contract battles. As he's done from the outset, he spends freely on players other teams have developed, but holds on to his dollars like Scrooge when it comes to his own players. And really, what choice does he have? He's paying, between Nash and Lundqvist over $16,000,000, which is almost 1/4 of the cap and his addiction to tossing away draft picks has resulted in a lack of cheap effective replacement pieces to fill in. Look at the players we are talking about to fill in the gaps next year: Miller, Lindberg and Fast. I've got nothing against any of these kids and would be thrilled beyond belief if they step up, but come on - we're talking about a team with cup contending intentions. Wow, it's a stretch and that's putting it mildly. In other words, until Sather can wrestle the RFAs into what he thinks are cap friendly deals, his hands are tied. And don't for a second believe that the agents negotiating on these players behalf wouldn't be aware of the restraints if Sather spent to the max now. Sather has created this mess and now he's got to work with it. He kinda sucks...

RF4L


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:37 pm EST

Hospo... I wish. It's Chris Mueller and he has all the ear marks of a Sather reclamation project... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/chris-mueller/read-who-is-new-forward-chris-mueller/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:34 pm EST

Also, for those of you waiting for the Rangers to make secondary move to fill some of the holes, there are none coming. There is no cap room for them to make any. The only way I see us possibly making any moves are if (a) one of our RFA's want too much money (b) they wont sign for multiple years and/or (c) AV feel's they don't fit his system. IMO, we need to watch the Brassard negotiations very closely.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:33 pm EST

RHET - I hear ya and I'm with you!..Where we differ is in the use of "just in case"..Don't think that qualifier applies, they AREN"T ready for full time consistent play..Oh well, Ok, whio the hell is this Mueller egg noodle you're talking about..Did I miss us signing Peter? or you talking the stiff from MSU?

Hospo


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:29 pm EST

IMO, being critical of what the Hawks have done lately when you're a Ranger fan is just plain ridiculous (with of course, all due respect). I mean, this is a team that's won 2 cups in the past 5 years and are already amongst the favourites to challenge next year and aren't acquiring 38 year olds in order to hope they are successful and have a feeder system that's in the top 3 overall - they are almost the opposite of the New York Rangers. Suspect, therefore, there's a little jealousy fueling that criticism.

RF4L


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:27 pm EST

Hospo.... I just don't get Sather's inaction here. There are other potential $1 Million guys out there like Ribeiro, Ott and Roy that the Rangers reportedly have no interest in. Far from my first choices, but it would give us some stability just in case a kid wasn't ready to take the job. It's a no lose scenario. If the guy sucks or a kid is ready, you just bury him in Hartford. The way it stands now, Miller, Fast and Mueller are making the team. Yes, I said Mueller. I have no problem with Sather letting go of the guys he did, but it looks like he has no plan again for the 2nd time in the past three years.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 7:44 pm EST

RHET - If HEATLEY can't find his mojo with that team and Getzlaf, Kesler and Perry, it ain't nowhere to be found!! Low risk/high ceiling move by their GM.

Hospo


Wed Jul 9 2014 7:39 pm EST

Tim MacMahon @espn.com..... Anticipating LeBron to Cavs, Bosh to Rockets, per source.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 6:52 pm EST

Lucky Duck....... Dany Heatley noted he's played with both Getzlaf and Perry, calling both "world-class players." On Getzlaf: "Best in the league."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 6:32 pm EST

SPEAKING of the Blackhawks and Kevin HAYES...he's not in camp with the rookies...first time in four seasons, apparently...and the reason is that he's still not signed...Now of the Hayes boys, Jimmy(former Hawks property) was always the one I preferred. More snarl...but Kevin? I'll take him on the Rangers in a heartbeat. We're wondering who might replace POULIOT? Well, here you've got a big, skilled kid who is considered among the Hawks' top-six prospects...guy who scored 65 points in the NCAA...and he's going to be a UFA on Aug. 15 if they can't sign him...obviously, the Hawks are under some cap pressure and if this kid could be exacerbating that pinch...could be they're waiting for a deal to clear space so they can sign him...could be he's asking for too much...I'd sign him either way...From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blackhawks/post/_/id/4684081/hayes-wont-attend-hawks-prospect-camp.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 6:13 pm EST

Strong rumors have it that Lebron James is going back to Cleveland. If true, he owes them another press conference :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 5:54 pm EST

Right, the great Hawks have so many options. That's why they're signing a center who can barely play in the USHL anymore and exploring trading a deadly sniper like Sharp. Why is everything so hard to understand for some? Dan Boyle provides way more offense than Stralman, Glass, who lead Boyle in hits AND A blocked shots does so again, for us this time. Lindberg, another kid we found magically since we have no plans to surround our core, is TWICE the player Richards is now. We sign Carter, which could be any minute now, and acquire a LW on par with what Puliot was when we signed him, which is a nobody-fucking- knows- but-he's-playing- with- a -goddamm-wizard & Brassard proposition and should match the 15 big fuckin goals, and guess what? We're just about as good as we were. Not to mention we had no Nash or Staal for long stretches last year, and Lundqvist couldn't stop a beach ball the first half... And te tool who fucked up every powerplay he got near is gone, FINALLY...So maybe this time, we're actually BETTER. I won't even get into how some bitch endlessly about a feeder system when finally, after 15 fucking years, we have a YOUNG TEAM!!! A great young CORE!!! Sather held onto those kids when he could've made easy deals years past for vets, and didn't. But he's just a clueless scumbag with a big checkbook, right? Boy oh boy.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 5:25 pm EST

Like I said, the Hawks have any number of options. They have the luxury of choosing who to move, waiting for the best offer and then making the choice to pull the trigger based on the best foreseeable outcome for the future...they'd have no problem moving a guy like Versteeg or Oduya when they already have guys to replace them...Here, we're talking about 'who do you sacrifice for XXX player' and what's the trade off? I mentioned BERGLUND the other day...well...who do we trade for him? Some of you were real hot on THORONTON...well...what kind of deal would THAT take? I'll say it again...I like our kids...I think the Rangers have a good feeder system...but the combination of bloated salaries --or rather salary...NASH --and a dearth of fresh talent is really making it tough for me to see a way where this team will ice a team that is better than the cup finals team...and more importantly, that can go head-to-head with LA and Chicago.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 5:14 pm EST

Or Sather's got bigger plans. Lou Lam says he wants Carter back but nothing to report at this point. We need that guy.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 5:00 pm EST

Dany Heatley cost $450K less than Tanner Glass and for only one season. You lose nothing by paying a vet $1 Mil for 1 season. A kid outplays, you just demote him. I read the NYR were interested, I guess Sather fell asleep at the wheel.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:55 pm EST

You weren't crazy Rhet; he had a good first round for anyone who bothered to notice. Fletcher raved about Heatly working with kids taking his job. So Sather better come up with something better.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:52 pm EST

The Ducks signed Heatley for $1 Mil, 1 season. Exact;y the deal I said the NYR should offer him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:52 pm EST

Odd after days of silence to get signing right after Toews/Kane announced. New ceiling? Rising tide lifts all boats.....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:31 pm EST

See MF, options dwindling; Versteeg looking better & better ha.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:19 pm EST

SoCal update......looks like Dany Heatley will be a Duck. Reclamation projects are now coming off the board.

Bob


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:19 pm EST

D.Penner: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4412

mf


Wed Jul 9 2014 4:07 pm EST

Dustin Penner to Isles? Must be true, says so on Wikipedia!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 3:53 pm EST

Think Versteeg would have to go near the bottom on the list of available wingers, MF, right near guys like Erik Cole and David Booth. He had some 20-goal seasons, Florida signed him to that deal, which was actually around $4.4 per, then he got banged up and fell off the map; Chicago picked him back up. What's interesting about him is that was the first deal where a team picked up salary under the new CBA and it was finally confirmed that could be done. Remember months where I had a dickens of a time trying to ascertain that, because it just wasn't clear in the CBA text.anyway, I remember asking a friend in Florida a while back when we needed a winger about him; he said not a heady player, disappears for long stretches, not very big, and not quick as he was. All that said, depends on how long we wait for a winger now doesn't it?lol. The longer we have JT Miller slotted in our Top 6, the better some of these guys look!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 3:33 pm EST

I think they're going to wait until the D market dries up and then try to negotiate a move with Roszival and/or Odoya

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 3:31 pm EST

VERSTEEG costs the Blackhawks $2.2mill per.... If they trade him, they're $16,795 over the cap... (On The Panthers CapGeek page, it shows that they have a "retained salary transaction" on Versteeg of $2.2mill too.) Don't know much about his game, butr his numbers aren't terrible @ $2.2mill, he's 28y/o, RHS. Out-side of our cap situation for a minute, Is he a good fit for the Zucc/Brass line?

mf


Wed Jul 9 2014 3:22 pm EST

case in point why getting Boyle (or someone like him) was so important for this team

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 3:12 pm EST

Messier11 - sorry to hear that about Richards not on the PP...means Hawks will have a good PP

RF73


Wed Jul 9 2014 3:03 pm EST

Tom Gulitti ..... Hearing 7 years, $6 million per for Cory Schneider. Those numbers were thrown around by some others earlier this week..... Also, in NBA News... Carmelo Anthony expected to re-sign with the Knicks tomorrow afternoon.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:59 pm EST

With Seabrook, Keith, and Leddy, I don't think Richards will see one tick of PP minutes.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:55 pm EST

Not to mention Rangers sacrificed those picks to try to win a Cup. We played for it atleast. Didnt see Chicago there. I give Hawks 10 seconds on the powerplay to regret signing Brad Richards, if theyre dumb enough to use him there. Yhey shouldve given the $2M to UNICEF.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:55 pm EST

Messier11 - My point in bringing up those three trades are they were "win now" moves...these teams that are building powerhouses aren't making those trades...they're moving players with one eye to the future...Hawks are a prime example. They've ID'd their core and are making the right moves to surround them long-term. I just don't see the same type of road map with the Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:49 pm EST

In no way, shape or form with the Hawks regret the Richards signing. Was one of the best moves they did in the off-season...one of the best bargains the league had to offer.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:49 pm EST

speaking of resurgences, Richards will have some combination of Sharp, Hossa, Saad, and Versteeg as his line-mates this season. I do not feel bad for the guy!

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:44 pm EST

I think the Blackhawks are a bang-up organization that really rebounded from that unforced qualifying offer error it made after their first Cup win. Bowman is one of only a few GMs Id take over Sather. I think the Hawks' prime weakness going into the POs was lack of forward depth. I think they've addressed that pretty effectively in Richards. Roszival was on their third pair all last season, and I think he's gone as soon as his contract expires this time next season. For what he's getting paid, I think Sharp stays at least another couple of seasons.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:38 pm EST

No Messier, no fairness when it comes to Ranger-Bashing, it has been decreed so!!! The Chicago Blackhawks front office is notjing short of genius, that any Bossa makes $5M+ through 2021!!!! LOL. Thats why Rosival, who was booed out of MSG, remains in their top 4, and why they had to seriously consider dealing Patrick Sharp, who's only one of the best snipers in the game, inn order to show the love to those two greedy pricks in Views and Kane, NEITHER of whom are worth $10.5 a year. Gimme a break!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:38 pm EST

and the 5th you have in that equation is a 7th. So what we are talking about is three 1sts and a 7th.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:31 pm EST

td- I think in that analysis you have to include the 2nd we got back in the MSL trade and the 3rd we got back in the Nash trade. You also have to consider that Gorton may have told Sather that he was confident in his ability to do as well as we did in the third round last year, thus making the higher picks expendable.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:26 pm EST

The Blackhawks are so deep they just signed the Master of Disaster himself, Brad Richards!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:17 pm EST

Man, I like the Rangers kids...but seeing the trove the Hawks have always makes me wonder what the hell Sather is doing every time he starts tossing off draft picks like they were coupons for free ice cream cones...MSL+NASH+CLOWE=three first rounders, a second rounder and third rounder and a fifth rounder. Given how well the Rangers have done in the draft, that's a really sad return we've gotten so far.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:14 pm EST

The NHLPA has announced the following dates for arbitration hearings: Chris Kreider: July 23...... Mats Zuccarello: July 25..... Derick Brassard: July 28

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:10 pm EST

I'd have ZERO problem locking KANE and TOEWS up for those contracts...Great deal for the Hawks...and you know what? They've got one of the league's top centers and one of the league's top wings locked up for their prime years..yeah, $21 million is a lot to give two players...but guess what? The Hawks are basically LOADED in their farm system...it has to be one of if not the deepest organizations in the NHL...just brimming with talent of all flavors...Hartman, Dahlstrom, Hayden and Motte last year...Teravainen, Fourneir, Hinostraza in 2012, McNeil and Clendening in 2011...They got Kevin Hayes and Jeremy Morin in trades...They got this Nick Schmaltz kid this year...Man, basically any Hawk who thinks he's worth more than the team can be shown the door...the only two that are(were) questionable were Kane and Toews and now they're locked up for life. The only thing stopping the Hawks from a dynasty is their situation in net and how long LA can keep its gang of pranksters together...but if I were to chose an organization with the star power and depth for a dynasty, it's the Hawks...Amazing what long-range planning can get you...everyone was writing them off as a flash in the pan when they won and immediately ditched Niemi, Byfuglien, Ladd and then Brouwer...Now those decisions are looking genius, since the Hawks have another cup...and I would be amazed if they're not right up there again this year with the sick team they've got in store for 2014-2015.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:07 pm EST

I wonder whats going on in Pittsburgh with Brandon Sutter. He's an RFA coming off a pretty disappointing season (26 points) and lacks arbitration rights. His cap hit this year was a little over 2 million but the qualifying offer according to capgeek is 2.7 million. Penguins have 7 million in space but still have to re-sign Sutter, Despres, Phil Samuelsson, and I would think they have other moves to make. You want to talk about talent lost? Neal, Niskanen, Jokinen, Stempniak, Orpik and other parts.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 2:02 pm EST

Capgeek Chicago: http://www.capgeek.com/blackhawks/

mf


Wed Jul 9 2014 1:07 pm EST

Wow. Chicago had better continue to draft well with so much cap tied up with 2 players for the next 8 years.

Bob


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:47 pm EST

Good rundown Mess. Just don't seem the need for them to give such term. Have to say thats something with Sather I always agreed with. He makes guys take less to show they want to be here. He'll pay a decent buck near market value and thats it. Not talking about UFAs, thats a whole other story. But think in general it keeps guys hungry and gives the club some leeway. Lundqvists deal would be a BIG exception, don't like it at all, 8 years and hasn't even started yet (think technically it kicked I'm July 1).

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:44 pm EST

TD: I dont disagree but signing Boyle makes sense when you factor in MSL in the lineup. And he will be in the lineup. The bigger question is this: Is Sather misreading his team? Thats where you and I agree. I didnt like the MSL deal when it happened and still dont. But it is what it is - may as well go for it all because the window is small. And in a few years the Rangers could be in the draft lottery. With their own picks!

RF4L


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:38 pm EST

are over cap at the moment by 2 million. A move should follow soon.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:36 pm EST

I think it ultimately depends on what the cap will be like over the next 8 years, but Hawks are in pretty good shape. Kane, Toews, Crawford, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Hossa all locked down to long-term contracts. Just added good, affordable second-line depth in Richards, just trimmed 4.2 mill by letting Handzus, Brookbank and Khabibulin walk. Will be able to trim even more after next season with Oduya and Roszival (5.5 million) while replacing from within or affordable market options.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:16 pm EST

So $168m in commitments to two players & no buyouts in CBA? Theyll regret those contracts.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:05 pm EST

Darren Dreger...... 8 year extensions for Kane and Toews. $10.5 mil aav each.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 9 2014 10:46 am EST

My guess is Sather & staff are looking at mid-range trade options for LW, and there are good if not perfect ones. $ome will require financial aid. Curtis Glencross, David Perron, Joffrey Lopul. Im fine giving Lindberg his shot at 3rd line C, and if they pull ones of these smaller deals and sign Carter theyll have made it over short term bump of losing 3 major fucking pieces to free sgency eith NOTHING to show for them. Theyd even stand a chance to be better, and still its8 months to deadline, you never know who is going to come available.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 9 2014 10:29 am EST

Being reported that the Jets are taking calls on Evander Kane. Looking/needing an NHL-ready player with a possible long future in Winnipeg. I would try to send Nash up there in a heartbeat- assuming they'd take him....

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 9 2014 10:23 am EST

Still hoping we go after Staal, but otherwise I stand by my projected lines of Kreider/Stepan/MSL, Miller/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Lindberg/Fast, Glass/Moore/Nash

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 10:02 am EST

JFC - Somehow I don't think that's gonna turn Lindberger, Fast and JT into consistent 2nd-3rd line NHLers..Perhaps MILLER will be a good 4th liner with Moore and Glass though.

Hospo


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:57 am EST

Hospo -- that's just agita! Take some Briosch!

JFC31


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:55 am EST

TD -- we do have a lot of question marks this early in the process, no doubt about it. I'd pencil in Boyle for 45-50 points, based on his history, the fact that he is energized playing for us, and the fact that (other than his -8) he actually had a good season last year taking into account that he had a serious concussion so early in the season. He has something to prove and your discounting his worth by not taking into account his ability to put up points on the PP. That's priceless for us. The idea of an all-Euro line with Zucc has possibilities. I had mentioned in previous posts that ZUCC-BRASS need either a Euro-style wing to replace Poo or a banger with skill. While not Euro, Brass plays that style well. My on,y caveat of putting Zucc with 2 Euros would be that the line needs a FINISHER, not just 3 playmakers who will drive us crazy with 1 pass too many. Who would that finisher be? Still, lots of time to experiment early in camp and then go into the season hopefully more settled than last year.

JFC31


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:45 am EST

TDCHI - To me, it's simple. The D is fine. The Goaltending is fine. Right now, the lines are in shambles...No 2nd line (last year) Wing....No 3rd line (last year) C.....Missing a HUGE component of the 4th line that at times drove the team...To expect the not ready for prime time "kids" to fill these spots is pure folly ..All MWO of course...In all, honesty, it's pretty nauseating as it stands,....I'm just hoping to God a move or two is made to find a solution to at least one of these areas...OTOH, my gut remains convinced that NASH is ready to have a monster year..OK, maybe just over compensating...:)

Hospo


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:16 am EST

Just to point out/reaffirm my bleak outlook...This is from Jess Rubenstien...not an endorsement by any means(I think he's dead wrong on Miller and off on Lindberg...but that's another thing)...He has a line of Fast-Lindberg-Zucc...Conner Allen as the seventh defender...Miller on fourth line...http://www.blueshirtbulletin.com/ibot/modules/blueshirt_mainblog/view.php?news_id=770

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 9:04 am EST

And one more thing...the 2014-2015 Rangers need to find a replacement for the following: Callahan, Richards, Boyle, Stralman AND Pouliot...that's 53 goals and 143 points...where do they make up that deficit with MSL, Glass and Dan Boyle? You might get lucky with MSL and wipe out 30 of those goals 70 points...and Boyle perhaps another 10 and 35 points....that's a VERRRY generous assessment too...essentially assuming they won't decline any from year to year...and rather improve...so where does this production come from? Glass? I love the rooks and all, but this lineup pretty much assumes one of them will pull together a 15-goal 40-point season.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 8:54 am EST

You CAN factor in the NASH deal along with MSL...it's part-and-parcel of the same faulty thinking that has Sather failing over and over again with one of if not THE best goaltender in the world...the Rangers were growing something organic here that I think would have performed well in the playoffs...Follow this logic...and BEFORE anyone chimes in to say 'this is all fantasy'...yes...I know...if that bothers you, stop reading right HERE...So let's say the Nash trade never happens...the Rangers end up with RYCHEL and keep the other three players...AND the Gaborik deal never happens...No Brass, Dorsett or Moore..But the Rangers still have Dubes, Anisimov and Erixon...moving into the next season with a real coach, the Rangers end up with Kreider-Step-Gaborik, Hagelin-Dubinsky-Callahan, Zucc-Anisimov-Pouliot and Moore-Boyle...who slides onto that wing is a good question...but let's put Carcillo there for now...D pairings end up largely the same: McD-Girardi, Staal-Stralman...then MDZ, Conner Allen and Erixon all fight it out for third-pairing until Klein comes aboard...Now here's a little more conjecture...but the more salient part of this equation: The Rangers at the draft table...clearly they would have taken either Kerby RYCHEL or Anthony MANTHA in the first round...both are projected NHLers this year...either could be a potential replacement for a guy like POULIOT, who the Rangers rightly walked away from...And with Dubes in the lineup, does the need for CLOWE arise in 2013? I don't think so...save the Rangers a second, third and fifth round picks in 2013; 2014...then move to this year...under the assumption CALLAHAN is resigning for a long-term deal, we end up with a first in this past draft and a first in the next draft...So the Rangers end up with a better, meaner, more balanced lineup, a star who can actually pot goals, one bonafide blue-chip prospect and the potential for two more...PLUS three other draft picks...hard to argue they'd be a better, deeper team than under the current circumstances...Sather's hard-on for superstars knows no bounds...and it continues to paint this team into a real nasty corner, where we're now relying on a guy who's tank is running dry and another who has played in the league for almost 15 years and has only ONE 40-goal season to show for it.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 7:52 am EST

Messier11 - That's a mighty bold prediction considering the teams that have improved in the Metro(Columbus and Washington)...Devils should be tougher too...Pittsurgh and Philly pretty much the same...And you forget that it's not the Rangers plus MSL, Glass, Boyle and minus JUST Callahan, Stralman and Boyle...they're also short RICHARDS and DORSETT...you can minimize the contributions of both, but they were integral parts of this team...so five crucial elements swapped out for two guys who are over-35 and one guy over 30 who has been a marginal NHLer his whole career...No matter what way you slice it, the Rangers are a softer, slower team than they were during the finals...If MSL and Boyle perform AT last year's level, I still don't see them as much of a dramatic upgrade over what was here last year...mind you, a team that was in the middle of some pronounced struggles until the KLEIN and, more specifically, the CARCILLO deals were done...I mean, I hopefully, guys like MILLER, FAST and others from Hartford step up...I just think that's overly optimistic even for someone who likes the rookies as much as I do.

tdchi


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:15 am EST

Boyle, even today, is the biggest D offensive threat for the Rangers since Leetch which is a sad thing, despite Roszival and Del Zotto, the failed experiments of Hatcher, Schneider, Berard, Malakhov.

Messier11


Wed Jul 9 2014 12:02 am EST

2014-15 Rangers with Glass, D Boyle, MSL will outperform the 2013-14 Rangers with B Boyle, Stralman and Callahan in the regular season. Both teams out-performed/will out-perform 2011-12. Nash, Rychel, Anisimov, Dubinsky, a separate matter not worth combining into the MSL/Cally move.

Messier11


Tue Jul 8 2014 11:43 pm EST

RF4L - Hell no..even AFTER a drag through the cup finals, I'm STILL not 100 percent on-board with the Marty ST. LOUIS deal. In fact, the trip to the finals and that we would have lost him anyway are the only things that make the whole deal more palatable to me...I was a huge Callahan supporter and was convinced they A. Wouldn't trade him while in the hunt for the cup; and B. Would work something out to resign him...and I was clearly dead-wrong on both counts...At the time, I was sickened by the trade...and in a sense, I still am...losing two first rounders ESPECIALLY after losing the RYCHEL pick to the Jackets was the insult-to-injury of the MSL trade. I'm somewhat relieved that one of the picks was a 28th overall...but I'm also not even remotely convinced the Rangers will be picking that late next season...and on BOYLE...man, I've ALWAYS been an opponent of acquiring the guy...If I remember correctly, he was on the Rangers' radar even before he went to San Jose and I wanted nothing to do with him then...now he's six seasons older...at least two past his prime...I sort of see him as a Sergei Gonchar-type guy...yeah, he's better than nothing...and I guess he's better than paying STRALMAN the huge payday...but was he the best they could do? MSL and Boyle just seem like guys who will come out of the gate like a shot and then slow down drastically to the point of ineffective...we got a little glimpse of it in MSL at the end of the season and even in the playoffs...His story was inspiring...But the reality is, he scored 23 points in 44 games --hardly a performance anyone would write home about...I know plenty will disagree...but I, too this day, believe the Rangers would have been better off keeping 2011-2012 together the best they could...forgetting about NASH...letting Gaborik finish out his contract...Keeping Dubinsky and Anismov on the payroll...giving Callahan his contract and having one hell of a team to grind down the opponents...I look at this roster and all I can think is that we're pretty goddamn weak compared to 2013-14 and 2011-12.

tdchi


Tue Jul 8 2014 8:56 pm EST

Glad to hear the Rangers Walked the Talk and didn't BORK the Borques......

mf


Tue Jul 8 2014 8:47 pm EST

TD: Sorry, cannot recall precisely, but weren't (and still are) one the MSL acquisition supporters? If so, IMO it's an oxymoron to dislike the Boyle signing. So many similarities, other than the fact that MSL costs the Rangers a ridiculous chunk of their future while Boyle from that perspective, was free.

RF4L


Tue Jul 8 2014 7:40 pm EST

JFC, no offense intended man. Just tried to steer things back towards current Rangers hockey, thats all. I didnt chime in. It was like 3 days I posted nothing but checked in to find some errant Noam Chomsky diatribe ( not that Mr Chomsky is wrong) and all that misery. Ive had more than my share, especially recently. Maybe thats why I seek refuge in my game & with my team.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 8 2014 7:30 pm EST

"Nieves missed the net as much as he hit it this past season..." --Sooo...what you're saying is he'll fit right in with the many clowns on this team that can't hit the broadside of a barn door? Gotcha. Not too worried about Nieves...last year was a bit of a stutter for him, but we'll see. He's in a good program and his stats, while definitely off, were not so far askew that I'd say he's a lost cause. Had 12 points in his last 10 games too.

tdchi


Tue Jul 8 2014 7:28 pm EST

Thought Dan Boyle came off as pumped up and rarin to get started. Said he wants to make a difference, and reports of his demise following his concussion were premature. Amazing how different people cull different meanings from same conference call.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 8 2014 7:18 pm EST

TDCHI/RHET - Thanks. .Don't know what to expect for Boyle but at the least he has to add to the PP and give it a different...Hopefully his wanting to play in NY means he will work his ass off both mentally and physically to be the most completer player he can be rather then meaning he wanted to experience the life style of NY before he quit! (kinda kidding)...I'm keeping my fingers crossed on him.

Hospo


Tue Jul 8 2014 7:17 pm EST

On Ryan BOURQUE - I've seen the improvement this kid has made over the course of three seasons...I know one of those years(I want to say last year) he was besieged with injuries...and really, he has always given all-heart, just he lacked the size and ability to carry the puck to really warrant being moved from the bottom two lines in the AHL, which doesn't portend well for your future in the NHL...well...that changed about a third of the way through last season...the kid had an impressive second half and at this point, I wouldn't rule him out for a spot on the team...the key with Bourque is that he's a pretty versatile player...at the lower levels, he was always a very talented player...he's also quick as hell, which is something that will endear him to AV's game...on another related note...I can't remember where I saw it, but there was an article about the Chris Bourque signing and someone from the Rangers organization basically said 'don't automatically assume Ryan and Chris will be playing in Hartford.' Wish I could remember where I read it, but it was a very long holiday weekend in more ways than one...either way, we could have the Bourque show on Broadway next year...I was initially thinking the Rangers might cut Ryan free...but the combination of him getting qualified and his brother signing suggests to me the Rangers might see a future for him outside of Hartford.

tdchi


Tue Jul 8 2014 7:04 pm EST

Hospo - Crib sheet on the Dan BOYLE interview: 'Screw the Sharks...I REALLY didn't want to play for the Islanders, since they're gonna be in HELL for another year, and..well..the Rangers wanted me...and well...they Rangers paid me...and I like to say 'per se' a lot.' I'm seriously trying to find something to like about this signing, but I'm coming up empty. Not a bad interview. Says lots of what you want to hear as a fan...but sorry if I'm not convinced.

tdchi


Tue Jul 8 2014 6:36 pm EST

Hospo.... 1) I'd expect Gorton to be a cheerleader even if the players suck, otherwise they'd have zero value as prospects.... 2) neither player makes my NYR prospect top 10 list (I might not even have 10 players on that list :)... 3) In a nutshell, Dan Boyle really really really really really wanted to play for the NY Rangers over anyone else.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 8 2014 6:32 pm EST

BASEBALL: Derek Jeter needs just 19 hits to pass Carl Yastrzemski at 7th place on the all times hit list.. Another 11 hits after that, he passes Honus Wagner in 6th place.. Had he stayed healthy and played one more season, he had a chance to move to 4th place overall... I'm glad he's hanging them up after this season, great career......http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&game_type='R'&season=2014&season_type=ALL&league_code='MLB'&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1404861217613&split=&playerType=ALL&timeframe=&sortColumn=h&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

mf


Tue Jul 8 2014 5:48 pm EST

Rhet - Three things: 1) I don't trust Gorton; 2) The best thing about Nieves is his first name!; and 3) Can U get the Cliff notes on the one post?!

Hospo


Tue Jul 8 2014 5:01 pm EST

Ryan Bourque's status.... Ryan Bourque set a career high in goals and points this season with 21 goals and 16 assists which more than doubled his previous high of 8 goals and 7 assists. In 74 games this season, Bourque took 158 shots, which was second on the Wolf Pack, and followed up 74 shots in 53 games in 12-13 and 120 shots in 59 games in 11-12. Bourque, 23, is an RFA this summer and is listed at 5-9, 178 pounds. Jeff Gorton said before the draft that the organization thinks that Bourque took some big strides this past season and added some scoring to his already reliable play and ability to kill penalties. Gorton says that Bourque can skate at the NHL level. (Rangers)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 8 2014 5:00 pm EST

RR -- actually, empathy means you know from similar experience how tragic the situation is, which you obviously don't or you wouldn't have chimed in, in such a manner. My original post actually WAS hockey related since the kid is a HOCKEY player who is on the Rangers' radar. The rest of the related posts were made by other people who responded in an adult manner. Like I said, certain things are really quite trivial compared to someone's dad/husband dying suddenly...a guy who served this country in the Middle East multiple times. You obviously don't agree...so be it. I now return The Wall to its regular programming.

JFC31


Tue Jul 8 2014 5:00 pm EST

Boo Nieves status.... After a freshman series where he put up 8 goals and 21 assists in 41 games, it was wondered if Boo Nieves could take a step this season and maybe lead Michigan in scoring, maybe make the USA World Junior team and possibly leave college after two seasons. (Coming Down The Pipe) In 34 games as a sophomore this season, Nieves had 3 goals and 19 assists. Nieves moved from wing to center in his sophomore season and while he had a down statistical year and didn’t make Team USA, he is still a good prospect who has the tools to be a good NHL player. He has good playmaking skills, is a good skater and has tools that will translate to the NHL level. (Dobber) Nieves missed the net as much as he hit it this past season and the Rangers are looking for him to be more of a “crash the net” type of player, where he has been succesful in the past. (Hockey’s Future) Nieves did not attend the Rangers prospect camp in early July because he was taking classes at Michigan. Nieves still has two-years of college eligibility left at the University of Michigan.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 8 2014 4:56 pm EST

Dan Boyle spoke with the media on a conference call yesterday about his decision to sign with the Rangers: Why did you sign with the Rangers, “That is where I wanted to go, it’s the simplest way to put it. Once I found out I was done in San Jose, this was a team that jumped out and has been a team I have been curious about. I have played in Florida and California, not traditional hockey markets so I wanted to experience something, those places were great but I wanted to experience something different. New York, Original Six team, it’s just where I wanted to go. The money…you could make more money elsewhere but you gotta be happy and that is why I chose to go there.” On the PP and the pressure, “I enjoy the pressure, you have to be prepared for it, I have been warned, I have been in pressure situations before, Stanley Cup Finals, Gold Medal games and I thrive on it. I didn’t want most of the playoffs because I don’t like to when I am done but I kept an eye on the Final, especially with Marty and Brad being in it I kept an eye on it. The PP was one of the spots where I hope to come in and help and something that I have been doing for many years now and hopefully I can help out and improve it.” On Marty St. Louis, “It was a big factor. Him and I kept in touch. Obviously, it started unfortunately with the passing of his mom but we talked through that and him going to the Final and afterwards me being a UFA, we kept in touch and yea, I’m not going to be oldest guy on the team and that is why I wanted to go to the Rangers, I forgot to say that. Marty was a big reason. Him and I have had very similar careers and it will be a great opportunity to play with him again here.” Where is your game right now, “Last season was unique, I had the concussion 6-7 games in and had a rough, I would call it three months probably, where I wasn’t myself. A lot of people were saying it was the age factor but I don’t buy that for a second, I keep myself in really good shape. I think down the stretch, anyone who watched the games saw that I was back to myself. As far as transitioning, I don’t look at it that way. I led the team in ice time, I have no problems playing minutes, that is why you put yourself in shape to do that. I am not looking to go out and play a few minutes, I won’t go out like that. I am going in to make a difference. I want the puck, I want to make plays, I want to play and that is what I am going for. Helping younger guys, that goes with the territory and I am happy to help but I am there to win hockey games and the ultimate goal is to win the Cup.” On Marty St. Louis again, “we spoke quite a bit actually. We talked when it started with his mom and I had to call him for that and he explained to me how it went and he and I have very similar backgrounds to where we got to where we were at it and we talked about all the pressure that he felt going on and how much of a struggle it was early and then once he got through that, we saw in the playoffs what he could do and there will be lots of talk about his age and my age moving forward but Marty and I will always thrive, that just fires us up and it will only doing the same for me.” On Brad Richards, ” I talked to Richie also, that was a little tougher of a conversation, one minute you are in the Final and a week later you are looking for a new team. That was a different conversation but he had nothing but great things to say about the organization and the team, not that he wouldn’t, I wished him well and that was a different conversation but he had nothing but good things to say and that was good to hear.” On coming to MSG as a visitor, “we have to do these questionnaires every year, favorite player, least favorite player, all of that and for 15 years they have asked your favorite arena to play in and besides that team that you are on, the Shark Tank was incredible for six-years, MSG was always incredible to play in. Being out West the last six years we didn’t get to play there that much but back when I was in Tampa I played there a little more and it’s a unique building and another reason I wanted to come here, to play at MSG. It’s a famous building.” On Dominic Moore (SJ) and Rick Nash (Canada) being former teammates, “I didn’t get to play with those two guys as much as Marty but I have played with them both and I am familiar with them. It will hopefully make the transition easier and it’s New York and a lot of pressure and some guys respond to that better than others and hopefully I will respond the correct way and those guys will help with that.” On fitting into the Rangers defense, “I think you need to earn your ice time, no matter what I have done in the past, you need to accomplish something on the ice and you need the accolades and be the best that I can be and hopefully that will be enough to earn the ice time that I want and the players are deserving of the same ice time. We want to win hockey games so if I need to play less, so be it, and certain games will dictate that. I am not a selfish person, I just want to win hockey games but ice time has to be earned.” On the Sharks making changes, “I have been motivated my whole career. I don’t know if they didn’t wan me per se, I had long, long meetings with Doug and Todd and there is a lot of stuff that was shared and has been said behind closed doors and that is where it will stay. I don’t for one second think that they didn’t want me per se, but they had to make a decision moving forward and as far as motivation, my whole career, it has been easy for me to get motivated. I am a competitive player and it’s not a problem for me.” How intrigued were you by the Islanders getting your rights, “It was a surprise but something I had seen in the past with other teams. Having never been in that situation, I didn’t really know that would happen. They had not contacted me prior to the trade. People are going to say you didn’t want to go there, it’s not that I didn’t want to go to some of these places, it’s that I wanted to come to the New York Rangers. It wasn’t that I didn’t want to go to the Islanders, they made a big push and a lot of effort and it wasn’t that I didn’t want to go there, it was that I wanted to go the Rangers. I have read that I wanted to go to a contender, there is no guarantee. You only hope that you will be and the Isles are an up and coming team but at the end of the day I wanted to be on an Original Six team and the Rangers were where I wanted to go.” On knowing his time was up with the Sharks when he got traded “I knew I wasn’t coming back before the trade. I had long conversations with the GM prior to that. That organization is going through a lot of different things and I knew that I wasn’t going to be there before the trade happened.” What are you most looking forward to coming back East, “I don’t know that I am looking forward to it, but the travel, the travel in the West is pretty tough. I know in the East it is easier moving forward. I don’t know, there wasn’t anything particular. I know everyone is talking about the Kings, Blackhawks and Blues and the East being a tougher conference but it wasn’t anything that I felt I had to go East about, it was just that I wanted to go to the Rangers and it wasn’t much more than that.”

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 8 2014 4:00 pm EST

Cmon JFC. I have empathy, but how much morbid shit already? Any thoughts on, you know, hockey?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 8 2014 3:12 pm EST

Sorry to interrupt your your reverie with news of the real world, RR. You obviously failed Sensitivity 101.

JFC31


Tue Jul 8 2014 2:15 pm EST

That's better Hospo!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 8 2014 2:11 pm EST

Rangers new 4th line candidate...https://twitter.com/Hilary_Knight/status/486579347554201600/photo/1

Hospo


Tue Jul 8 2014 1:33 pm EST

Jeez its like the obits in here....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 8 2014 12:39 pm EST

TD -- Thanks for posting that. Yeah, that pretty much sums up what kind of kid he is and what kind of family he comes from. What a loss...but Luke and his mom will carry on and honor their /father/husband by being strong and livinmg their lives. That's what Rich would want...he was a tough guy and my friend says he wouldn't want them to spend their time grieving.

JFC31


Tue Jul 8 2014 11:26 am EST

JFC - awful news man... Here's a story on Curadi and his family: http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Curadi-s-tough-tradition-5166644.php

tdchi


Mon Jul 7 2014 8:51 pm EST

Canucks add a puck-mover: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456672

Messier11


Mon Jul 7 2014 8:29 pm EST

Can RICK NASH play center??? ....http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mike-fisher-out-four-to-six-months-with-ruptured-achilles-tendon-who-are-nashvilles-top-centers-now/

mf


Mon Jul 7 2014 5:06 pm EST

JFC - Sad stuff for the boy and his family....on a hockey note, looks like the Preds signed VOLCHENKO and lost FISHER for 6 months (some might say TWO bad things) with a ruptured Achilles (some might say TWO bad things)......At least he has more time to stay home with that Country singer!..

Hospo


Mon Jul 7 2014 5:01 pm EST

mf: Yes, they can order some and generally, you go to a health lab for the tests.

RF4L


Mon Jul 7 2014 4:07 pm EST

RF: Whats the deal up North of our Border by you CanAmericans? Do the primary care physicians order precautionary / preemptive tests such as EKG's, & ECHO's?

mf


Mon Jul 7 2014 3:45 pm EST

Wow...what crappy news JFC. Makes one wonder, when one hears about someone having a 'surprise' massive heart-attack, how that could be with all the early detection equipment and subsequent treatments available now. I guess some simply don't take advantage (or cannot afford to or in the case of Canada get stuck in a testing/specialist waiting nightmare).

RF4L


Mon Jul 7 2014 3:33 pm EST

JFC: Terrible news, my condolences to the entire family........... Wallsters, Heart Disease is the #1 killer for both men and woman.... Get your hearts checked, EKG's (electrocardiagrams) & ECHOcardiagrams.... The EKG measures electrical, The ECHO measures the plumbing... While you're at it, have them do a sonogram on your Carotid arteries which go up the neck to the brain. (Don't want any strokes either)....... Don't F_ck around with this stuff, especially if you have insurance.......

mf


Mon Jul 7 2014 1:16 pm EST

Some really sad news....the father of Luke Curadi (who plays for RPI and is in the Rangers Development Camp) died suddenly 2 days ago. I never met him, but I know Luke's mom from high school and reconnected with her through Facebook. She shared the awful news today. She was at the track with him running and he collapsed. She knows CPR and administered immediately and ambulance was there in 5 minutes but he never revived. A terrible, sudden tragedy. Every day is precious and so many things so comparatively trivial.

JFC31


Mon Jul 7 2014 10:10 am EST

This (with the Blues or otherwise) may be a way for us to move Nash: we were three games away from the Cup, we are located in NYC. We could be one of a handful of teams that NTC holders would waive to join. Teams that have NTC/NMC they want to move, may be willing to take Nash in order to do it. Of course, Nash would also have to waive his NTC as well.

Messier11


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:56 am EST

They'd love to move both Jackman and Leopold, but both have NTCs

Messier11


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:55 am EST

they're not going to sign Roy. Sobotka and Schwartz will cost over 3 mill.

Messier11


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:46 am EST

St.Louis has $6mill in Cap Space: Sobotka, Schwartz, and Roy are going to cost how much? Anyone else they need to sign?

mf


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:40 am EST

The Blues would only trade Berglund and/or Sobotka if it were at worst salary neutral. They need to trim payroll. We cant really take on salary. Any ability to trade with St. Louis would have to be preceded by us spinning off Nash.

Messier11


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:29 am EST

last season, I think the Blues would have taken Nash had we retained some salary. I doubt that could happen now.

Messier11


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:25 am EST

and we are going to trade who in return?

mf


Mon Jul 7 2014 9:25 am EST

On defense: Someone mentioned why not land BOYLE on a pairing with MOORE...well...that kind of move really wouldn't surprise me all that much...one thing Boyle didn't come with is a rep for playing good defense. Can't remember where I was reading it, but the gist was that his defense is just a shade off of horrible.

tdchi


Mon Jul 7 2014 8:48 am EST

If the Blues are shopping BERGLUND, I'd keep them on speed-dial. He'd solve a lot of what ails the Rangers up the middle, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Jul 7 2014 12:03 am EST

Blues opt for arbitration against RFA Vladimir Sobotka. unexpected turn. Could get moved, but Berglund was rumored to be on the block already. 2/3 of a great third line for somebody.

Messier11


Sun Jul 6 2014 8:28 pm EST

No apologies needed !

stepunmytoe


Sun Jul 6 2014 7:22 pm EST

Apologies...meant for Off-The Wall

RF73


Sun Jul 6 2014 7:22 pm EST

Verified TRUE on snopes.com...I have a plan to destroy America by Richard D. Lamm former Colorado Gov. I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that “an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.” Here is my plan: 1. We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: “The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and Corsicans.” 2. I would then invent “multiculturalism” and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds. 3. We can make the United States a “Hispanic Quebec” without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently, “The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved, not by tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically, and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.” I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences, rather than Americans emphasizing their similarities. 4. Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school. 5. I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population. 6. I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would “celebrate diversity.” “Diversity” is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other–that is, when they are not killing each other. A “diverse,” peaceful or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together, and we can take advantage of this myopia. Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf’s “World History” tells us: “The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games in honor of Zeus, and all Greeks venerated the shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet, all of these bonds together were not strong enough to overcome two factors … (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions …)” If we can put the emphasis on the “pluribus,” instead of the “unum,” we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo. 7. Then I would place all these subjects off-limits–make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to “heretic” in the 16th century that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like “racist”, “xenophobe” halt argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of “victimology,” I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra –”because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good.” I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact. 8. Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson’s book “Mexifornia” –this book is dangerous; it exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please–if you feel that America deserves to be destroyed–please, please–don’t buy this book! This guy is on to my plan. He’s a true maverick–a Democrat who has long presaged the self-destructive impact of open borders. In 2004, Dick Lamm gave a now-famous speech at one of the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s conferences. “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” –Noam Chomsky, American linguist and U.S. media and foreign policy critic.

RF73


Sun Jul 6 2014 7:17 pm EST

Professa, cool story, thanks for sharing it.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 6 2014 6:04 pm EST

professa: FYI, all the names I listed were for LHS defensemen..... thanks again

mf


Sun Jul 6 2014 5:58 pm EST

profes-sah: yu-da-man! thanks

mf


Sun Jul 6 2014 5:11 pm EST

mf: Happy to help. Glad you're interested in the site. On the Extra Skater homepage, enter the player name into the search bar (i.e. Paul Ranger). Once you get to his profile, click "compare" (Right above the "Dashboard" section. Once it directs you to the compare page, you can add any player you want. I included a link with a comparison of the players you noted. http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard?players=1147,261,483,48,685,536&sort=cf_pct_rel Now to compare those selections with the rest of the league, the only way I know how is by creating a new tab, go to the ES homepage then clicking "players" and "dashboard" where you can refine your search by position, games played, ect. Then you can just go back and forth. At least that's the way I do it. Unfortunately, I do not believe you can organize by RHD or LHD. I hope this helps!

professa


Sun Jul 6 2014 4:48 pm EST

that should read; LHS Left Handed Defensemen.........

mf


Sun Jul 6 2014 4:33 pm EST

profes-sahhh cool story dude..... I went to the website you shared, ...http://www.extraskater.com ....... Is there an easy / user friendly way to rank players one vs. the other? Example: I want to rank about a half dozen RHS Defensemen against each other, and then compare them to the rest of the leagues D'men: Paul Ranger, Scott Hannan, Henrik Tallinder, Marc Metho, Shane O'brien, Tim Gleason..... If you'd be willing to instruct on how to utilize this website, I would greatly appreciate it.... thanks in advance....

mf


Sun Jul 6 2014 3:16 pm EST

Nice, Professa. Always love to hear about guys who make it unconventionally, if thats a word lol. The Girardis & MSLs, etc. Those guys go through a lot to make it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 6 2014 3:06 pm EST

RR Debs too. //// My favorite Zombo play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awqw4TUirg8

Messier11


Sun Jul 6 2014 2:54 pm EST

Sort of a cool personal story I'll share...So this kid Daniel Walcott that the Rangers drafted in the 5th round, I've played against him my whole life. Both of us are from Chicago, and in High School he played for New Trier, a perenniel powerhouse.He was a dman and I was a goalie. My senior year we played against e/o twice and tied them both times and I also nplayed against him in the all state game. Then the next year we were both freshman in college, he was playing for Lindenwood, I was backing up an all american for the University of Illinois (That was my first and only year, wasn't gonna spend my time in college backing up). Big, nasty rivalry between the two clubs. Both are ranked pretty high in Div 1 ACHA, the top club league in the US. It's actually pretty good hockey, doesn't get the credit it deserves; a couple years ago Arizona State's ACHA team beat Penn State's NCAA team. Anyway, the guy ahead of me got yanked and I played a couple periods against Walcott, stoning him a couple times, naturally. What's more interesting is how he jumped from playing club hockey to playing in the Q. A lot of it I think has to do with Lindenwood's coaches, Rick Zombo, who played over 10 yrs in the NHL, and Teddy Sator, who we all know was a coach for NYR (Quite the all star coaching staff for a club team). The kid must have worked his ass off though. No one goes from Illinois High School hockey to college club hockey to the Q to an NHL draft pick. Just doesn't happen. Anyway thought I'd share thought you guys might enjoy.

professa


Sun Jul 6 2014 2:51 pm EST

Detroit, Isles others talking to DZ. D market always thin, he"ll catch on.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jul 6 2014 2:49 pm EST

Well, unlike all other UFAs who could negotiate with teams starting June 25th, MDZ was only a UFA starting July 1 at noon., and it was not announced prior to then that he wouldn't be qualified. I expect he gets signed soon enough.

Messier11


Sun Jul 6 2014 2:31 pm EST

Had no idea that MDZ is a free agent and that NO Teams have made him an offer.....speaks volumes.

MelvilleFred


Sun Jul 6 2014 12:43 pm EST

3) when the players go to arbitration, other teams can't tender an offer

mf


Sun Jul 6 2014 10:43 am EST

Some interesting kids still available as UFA: Zac Dalpe, Jordan Schroeder, Andrei Loktionov, Peter Mueller, Del Zotto, Yann Sauve, Alex Grant, Jamie McBain, Anton Belov, Raphael Diaz, Connor Knapp

Messier11


Sun Jul 6 2014 10:13 am EST

Well all three go to arbitration sather usually takes that personally and guys don't last long after. It will be interesting to see how this turns out since 1) they are a part of the core and 2) how this goes against the cap space remaining.

York18


Sun Jul 6 2014 9:50 am EST

John Moore only RFA not going to arbitration (he lacked rights).

Messier11


Sun Jul 6 2014 1:19 am EST

http://nyrnation.net/the-replacements-welcome-to-the-club/

mf


Sat Jul 5 2014 6:31 pm EST

MESS, I didn't get a chance to read through everything yet, but saw what said.They let Stralman walk primarily because they needed OFFENSE from the D, more than just McD provided. They needed a point man. Nashville was always a real good defensive team under Trotz, but the notion Klein's worth is somehow related to Del Zotto's present or future is silly. If DZ blossomed in Nashville, would Klein be any better, be considered of a higher caliber? Everyone knew DZ had upside as a real good two-way defender IF he could put it all together. Obviously the Preds think he hasn't & thought he wasn't worth qualifying at that number, doesn't mean he's finished. But the real tradeoff between Stralman and Klein is money. One makes about $2m, the other now $4m÷. Since we now have Boyle in the 4 spot, no way Sather could pay a no. 5 that number in a cap world.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 5 2014 3:54 pm EST

Also, all of Kleins second-pair seasons were behind the minutes-gobbling tandem of Suter/Weber, minus last season behind Josi/Weber which played the same minutes. All of Kleins seasons as a second-pair (2008-09 through 2012-13 with Nashville), he played 18:45-20:45 ATOI. Again, for Nashville. That team made it to the 2nd round twice, the first round once, and twice were out of the playoffs altogether in that span. Not exactly hot shit.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 3:21 pm EST

It's all about limiting liability; If you move KK up with Staal, then that 3rd pair off Moore/Boyle becomes a defensive liability. Leaving it McD/G Staal/Boyle, Moore/Klein is much more balanced. That's what I think we're gonna have to do up front too. We can't front load the top two lines like we did in the torts era. A more balanced approach will work best with us especially considering our drop off of depth compared to last year.

professa


Sat Jul 5 2014 2:37 pm EST

Boyle was 9th in the league among defenders with power play goals, 17th in power play points, and 33rd in overall scoring, all while playing >21:00 ATOI. He can handle the second pair just fine. Playing him with Moore would be too risky defensively and playing Klein with Staal waters down our offense considerably. Besides, Klein didn't cut it (for whatever reason) with Staal last year against Stralman as has even less of a shot against Boyle. And Staal is going nowhere.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 2:32 pm EST

I think you have to assume a little more to believe that AV thinks Klein was better than Stralman at handling second-pair minutes than you have to assume otherwise. Done splitting hairs.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 2:28 pm EST

Might we not see Klein paired with Staal and Boyle with Moore? Probably better D on the 2nd pair, and lets Boyle be used on the PP without overwhelming him with 2nd pair and PP minutes...

Ranger47


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:57 pm EST

Mess -- saying a guy raised his level of play in the POs isn't an assumption, it's an observation. You may think he didn't and that's fine, but making an observation that a guy played better and played at a level that indicated he was cable of more than 3rd pair (combined with the fact that he has played 2nd pair previously in his career) is different than saying that AV doesn't think he can play 2nd pair because he didn't use him there

JFC31


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:52 pm EST

And who says that AV wanted Klein to "unseat" Stralman or that is what team building is about? Team combos in the NHL are not about a guy being "better" than another and therefore replacing him. One player can be just as good/better talent-wise and yet be a better fit playing with a different partner/line.

JFC31


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:52 pm EST

JFC- those are all, also assumptions. One clear indicator that Klein won't be second pair? AV believes in LR tandems and Girardi and Boyle both under contract. Regardless, Ill bet Staal goes nowhere.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:47 pm EST

Mess -- there was no way for Klein to usurp a 2nd pair position in the playoffs. That is not when a coach changes his pairings. Klein raised his level of play tremendously in the POs....it looked like he put it all together and, seeing the full package of what he can do when he's at his best, convinced me that he is cable of being a 2nd pair d-man.,,,and that is good because, although I do not advocate it at all, Staal could be traded if it becomes apparent that Sather can't/won't sign him....Klein can slide into 2nd pair minutes without a problem IMO. Again, remember that he has JUST arrived via trade when he was tried at 2nd pair minutes....not an accurate measure of what he can/can't do....new team, new coach, new system....he fit nicely on 3rd pair and we have one of the strongest D units in the NHL.

JFC31


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:21 pm EST

MF -Sorry, but that was just too big tackle!..Yeah, that's what she said! Anyway, I gather you were agreeing??

Hospo


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:10 pm EST

on the playoffs- you said that Klein showed you he was capable of second-pair minutes. Well, how did he do that, if he wasn't given second-pair minutes in the playoffs? Aren't you doing a little assuming yourself? To say that he wasn't given second-pair minutes because he was a third-pair defender just makes my point. He was a third-pair defender behind Stralman, despite chances to unseat him.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 1:07 pm EST

JFC- I am making an argument. A counter-argument in fact. To support my counter-argument that Klein isn't capable of second-pairing minutes on a nightly basis under AV, I use the fact that he was tried in that slot during a handful of games right after he was acquired. This is when Stralman's play was shaky and I think its safe to assume that AV wanted Klein to give the second pair more stability. Only, the experiment was cut short by AV bringing Stralman back to the second pair. You can argue this is evidence of nothing; I argue that its evidence of AV's opinion on Klein. I think that is a reasonable read of those events. The point is moot, in any event. Klein won't be seeing any second pair minutes while Boyle and Girardi are healthy. He won't be playing his off-side either, so long as McD and Staal are healthy. Staal won't be moved unless the return is a lefty who could replace Staal's presence. As noted by others on here today, replacing Staal's presence is easier said than done. It won't be Moore or Klein stepping into his role. Now: what wrong with being a good third-pair defender? After all, this isn't last season: the third pair plays about 13:00 a night, and we need those minutes to be safe, effective ones. Im glad we have Klein, and I am interested in Moore's progress, but neither make Staal expendable.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 12:49 pm EST

Mess11 -- man, you're making a whole lot of assumptions and innuendos that you're presenting as facts/proof about Kleins ability and position on this team. Why the heck would Klein gave 2nd pair minutes in the playoffs? That wasn't his position on the team....he was 3rd pair with Moore. Suddenly he's gonna start plating on the 2nd pair? Wha? And the idea that he was given some time with Staal and AV ended up not using that pair means that Klein is not capable of 2nd pair? Wha? Maybe it means it was not a good match with Staal. Maybe AV liked the pairing of one defensive D man with one offensive D Man and Staal-Klein did not fit that criteria. Maybe when the D is the strongest unit on your team, the coach has the luxury of using guys that are 2nd pair cable on the 3rd pair....an "embarrassment of riches" so to speak. You speak like you know exactly what AV was thinking (ie; Kleins not good enough for 2nd pair) when it's quite possible that now that his options have changes on his D crew, there's no way he'd think of putting Klein on the 2nd pair, when in fact none of us has any clue what AV might do. I think he is capable of playing 2nd pair and you don't, simple as that. Neither one of us has any clue what AV thinks or might do next season.

JFC31


Sat Jul 5 2014 12:40 pm EST

Pashnin has been playing KHL, but we may still own his rights

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 12:37 pm EST

PASHNIN: I believe played in the KHL.... http://www.kennros.com/khl/2013/12/08/khl-2013-14-mikhail-pashnin-banned-for-8-games/

mf


Sat Jul 5 2014 12:26 pm EST

Was Pashnin even in camp the past couple of years? Im all for all Rangers property being in camp each year despite expectations, but at 25 I think the Rangers have probably decided on Pashnin, as they did with Valentenko. Hope Im wrong. //// From the reports of his original signing, Malcolm was signed by Hartford and not the Rangers. He isn't listed on the Hartford roster, but he is on Greenvilles. However, that roster hasn't been updated since the ECHL playoffs

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 12:12 pm EST

Hospo, got your reading glasses on? Scroll back to: Fri Jul 4 2014 4:06 pm EST ....... Cheers

mf


Sat Jul 5 2014 11:38 am EST

TDCH - Not sure I agree on thew completion for MOORE this coming season...IMO the Rangers have their TOP 6 with Boyle replacing Strals...And backup/blackace will be HUNWICK and maybe this guy KOSTA...Perhaps MCI and ALLEN ( I wasn't too impressesd but SSS) dorce the issue but more than likely get more seasoning in the beginning...Now, the following year could be different..

Hospo


Sat Jul 5 2014 11:30 am EST

TDCHI - Was thinking the same..We know KRIEDER has excelled in the POs and Brass has had some good POs but based on regular season numbers and comps,Sather would grind them down big time..Hopefully, thing with ZUCC go smoothly and Sather realizes how important he is going forward

Hospo


Sat Jul 5 2014 11:27 am EST

Tucc - I don't think any of those three will go to arbitration, but if they did...we'd get pretty favorable deals with KREIDER and BRASS...ZUCC, OTOH, we'd get screwed.

tdchi


Sat Jul 5 2014 11:16 am EST

Brass, Zucc and Kreider ALL filed for arbitration. Yikes.

Tucc


Sat Jul 5 2014 11:14 am EST

On the right side, coming over next year is Calle ANDERSSON, a fourth rounder from 2012...righty shot and was apparently drafted for his offense. He'll spend the season in Hartford next year, but could be on tap for a job at some point.

tdchi


Sat Jul 5 2014 11:09 am EST

The Rangers do have an impressive lot for the left side if STAAL does dither on signing a contract with the Rangers...first and foremost, SKJEI...we haven't heard a lot about him...and to be honest, I wasn't all that impressed with him at the WJC, but the word out of Minnesota is that he's really improving and that the Rangers want to sign him to a pro contract now...the other guy who is still out there that we never hear about...Mikail PASHNIN...also a lefty...And then there's Conner ALLEN....and BODIE...I'll wait to see him in Hartford, but he's a kid that could be NHL-ready. Could be the Rangers' Torey KRUG...One thing is for sure, John MOORE better be training hard this summer...he has some competition next year.

tdchi


Sat Jul 5 2014 10:56 am EST

Messier11 - I could be mistaken but I think MALCOM is Pack property. He might not be under contract with the Rangers.

tdchi


Sat Jul 5 2014 10:54 am EST

I like KLEIN, I wanted him in NY before the DZ deal..Was impressed with him as a solid 2nd-3rd pair D-man on the tough Pred teams in 2010-12 with Suter and Weber..Loved how he played in the POs especially one year..I thought he could be a 2nd pair D-man in NY but am not so sure now...I think he solidified the NY Ranger D in the regard that it gave them three soild dependable pairs...But, at times when Klein played a bit too much or up, he did have some strugglres..Bottom line is I hope we keep him, but best on the 3rd pair and emergency move up..

Hospo


Sat Jul 5 2014 10:47 am EST

td Ill take your analysis an additional step: Stralman owes Staal a big thank you for being the anchor that allowed Stralman to take more risk, and without Staal, Stralman would have done a lot worse this season. Well, Klein was the one AV wanted to benefit from Staal, or vice versa, and replace Stralman on the second pair. Only after a few tries, AV decided that Klein couldn't cut it on the second pair and instead kept Stralman there. I don't think Klein will get another shot there. He will be bumped up due to injury, when AVs hand is forced. Otherwise, he's where he belongs, on the third pair.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 10:40 am EST

I was of the mind that the KLEIN trade was a stinker for the Rangers. Thought we have up a guy with an immense amount of talent for, as Messier11 says now, a third pairing guy with no upside. Well I've done a 180 on Klein. Firstly, remember he was brought on board largely as an insurance policy if GIRARDI wasn't signed and had to be traded at the deadline. Not sure who would have bounced up to first pairing, but its safe to say the Rangers felt confident enough about Klein to keep him in their top four. Then we have the playoffs. Klein was stupendous. In fact, I was rather astonished to see him blaze in on the rush numerous times. He fits this team like a glove. He won't be second pairing obviously with BOYLE signed. But make no mistake, he could be there and I wouldn't doubt that AV would slide him in that spot if there's an injury to Girardi or Boyle...on STAAL...someone intimated this a little while ago and I'll reiterate: STRALMAN should send Staal a gigantic 'thank you' card...because if it weren't for him, Strals would be begging Sather for a job right now at his salary from last year. Trading Staal is NOT an option unless he makes it clear he first want to be in NY any longer. A first and a second? Just about every team in the league would jump on that deal. Staal played very well. The only reason we don't talk about him more is that he spent a lot of time covering Stral's ass and future captain Ryan McDonagh is that good. Otherwise, we'd be saying Staal is up there in value with Lundqvist.

tdchi


Sat Jul 5 2014 9:54 am EST

I think Klein is great for the third pair, but without Staal there is no second pair. You need an anchor to play with Boyle. Klein couldn't even do it with Staal. Staal/Boyle is going to be a sick pair. you don't move Staal unless he refuses a reasonable offer.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 9:52 am EST

Nashville, who traded him for a player whose rights they wouldn't even qualify a few months later.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 9:51 am EST

top 4 for the powerhouse that is Nashville.

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 9:51 am EST

uh, if Klein solidified our whole D, why did we let Stralman walk and sign Dan Boyle? Why couldn't he catch on as Staal's partner on the second pair?

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 9:45 am EST

Klein was a huge net positive for the Rangers, solidified the whole D upon his arrival. Not sure where suggestions to the contrary come from, but no question the guy can play Top 4, because he already has for Nashville. Also no way Rangers take such a stance with Stralman, and that stance included no negotiation whatsoever if you saw what Stralman said. That they could do that and still line up Girardi, Boyle, and Klein on the right side wit McIrath coming tells you its one of the deepest if not the deepest area of their roster. Gordie Clark BTW says MCI only has 100 games + playoffs in Htfd, didn't sound like he's quite ready in his estimation. Jeff Gorton sounded a different note, said both MCI & Connor Allen are both right there, only way to find out just how ready is give them the 15 games or so it takes for a good evaluation, and find out.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jul 5 2014 9:22 am EST

A good read this morning: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/trending-topics--nhl-free-agent-value-system-is-still-broken-184425106.html

Vic


Sat Jul 5 2014 8:58 am EST

When did Klein have 2nd pair minutes in the playoffs? He struggled on the second pair during the regular season, but that was with Staal as a partner. I don't even want to think of Moore/Klein getting second-pair minutes as a tandem. I think Staal gets re-upped, and if any D are moved it will be Klein and/or Moore, once kids like Allen, Bodie, McIlrath, Skjei are ready

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 8:46 am EST

AAMOF, I think if a Staal does not get signed in fairly short order by Sather, that could mean that Sather will trade him and Klein will move up to his spot.

JFC31


Sat Jul 5 2014 8:39 am EST

Mess11 -- a little harsh on Klein and Moore, no? They're not even great 3rd pair D-men? Klein showed me in the POs that us is quite capable of being on the 2nd pair. Moore is improving but not yet ready for 2nd pair because he still does not defend well enough, but he is a very good 3rd pair D-man IMO. Klein was a terrific pick-up by Sather....though not flashy, he was steady, reliable and defended well. Don't forget, he came into a AV's one-on-one defensive system when he was traded....the rest of,the Rangers d-men had tons of trouble with that system for the 1st 30 games of the season. Klein had to,learn on the job. I think he put it all together in the POs this year....he even showed that he can be aggressive offensive land move the puck through the neutral zone when needed. I think he is capable of being a 2nd pair D-man for us....my only concern would be could he maintain 2nd pair performance over the course of a season, or would he become exposed at some point.

JFC31


Sat Jul 5 2014 8:05 am EST

anyone have a clue why Jeff Malcolm is absent from the teams "in the system" page and from capgeek?

Messier11


Sat Jul 5 2014 7:56 am EST

Even in the limited instances where our fourth liners or third-pairers temporarily stepped up with the full support of the rest of the roster, they weren't good there. Moore is great, I am glad he's back in the fold. To me, he was our most important UFA. He's not a great third liner, he's a great fourth liner. Klein was a good pickup, John Moore made some maturation strides late this season/post-season, but neither is a great second pair defender. They're not even great third pair defenders. Having either bumped up to facilitate Staal being moved is suicide. Setoguchi would be a good pickup for the fourth, he's probably the best out there for us right now. I think our money is better spent letting Fast have that slot or Nash until he can be moved. Barring a deal for a first line center: Kreider/Stepan/MSL, Miller/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Lindberg/Fast, Glass/Moore/Nash. Staal/Boyle, McDonaugh/Girardi, Moore/Klein.

Messier11


Fri Jul 4 2014 10:47 pm EST

And sorta oxymoronish....which I've been accused of more than once!!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 4 2014 10:45 pm EST

mf: Hell if I know. But I do know this - I totally concur with like 90% of your trade proposals from a Ranger point of view in that what you speculate in terms of their needs I so rarely disagree with. Yeah, run-on sentence, but it's true!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 4 2014 8:15 pm EST

The thing is, none of those D could replace Staal

Messier11


Fri Jul 4 2014 5:48 pm EST

Eric Cole, 1 yr remaining, $4.5mill

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 5:42 pm EST

busted heel

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 5:41 pm EST

Other Available LHS UFA Defensemen to replace STAAL: ……. Ed Jovanovski, Henrik Tallinder, Paul Ranger, Aaron Rome, Andre Benoit, Shane O’Brien, Chris Butler, Douglas Murray, Francis Bouillon, Joni Pitkanen (busred heeal out last year) Mark Fraser, Scott Hannen, Ryan Whitney, Carlo Colaiacovo, Keaton Ellerby

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 5:32 pm EST

RF: got ya on getting the two picks ay?

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 5:23 pm EST

Fire Sather. Hire mf.

RF4L


Fri Jul 4 2014 4:34 pm EST

Stars pushing to move Erik Cole per Dreger. Pick $ but at 50% should be around $2m I think.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 4 2014 4:21 pm EST

Actually, my math error was stating that after we had committed a maximum of $8.5mill to Brassard & Zuccini, that we would have $6.5mill in Cap Space available... Thats wrong, we'd have $5.5mill available the other numbers are right , and at the end, we'd save $975,000 in METHOT over STAAL + $7500. for a grand total of $982,500 in cap room..... Happy 4th everyone... :-)

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 4:12 pm EST

MY math is off by one million, we would not have any room left over, but We Would NOT be Over The Cap either. :-)

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 4:06 pm EST

Looking at who we have and what we have to work with, here’s a different twist on the situation.. For starters, instead of focusing on a center for us to import, pencil DOM MOORE in the 3rd line center position, and JT MILLER in on the 4th wing center postion.. This shifts the spine of our lineup and creates different options… Next, reviewing the possible line combinations which tend to align by themselves.. STEPAN paired with MSL because STEP is a playmaking center & MSL calls for / commands a higher hockey I.Q. than many players.. BRASSARD & ZUCCARELLO is a no brainer due to last year’s chemistry, and they already lost one component of that line.. NASH with DOM MOORE by default and because (a) MOORE is a very smart hockey player, which may help expedite the chemistry development over say, JT MILLER (b) NASH is going to do his me against their whole team act, and I feel DOM MOORE will learn where to be on the ice to score junk goals off Nash’s failed attempts without sacrificing defense.. NEXT, on the 4th line, we have JT MILLER with TANNER GLASS.. This reduces the pressure on JT MILLERS head of stepping up and having to perform with any of the aforementioned and allows for him to transition onto the big club in increments that will more likely ensure success…. Now to fill in the 3rd player on each line…. Starting with BRASSARD, move ZUCC to the LW (once upon a time I read that he prefers the LW but he stated that he was happy to play anywhere. This was under the prior “roach,” I mean coach) Joined by JESPER FAST on the RW.. FAST is an excellent skater, finished his checks with authority in the little we saw of him last season, is a RIGHT HANDED SHOT (very important) and has excellent hockey I.Q. Next Line: NASH / DOM MOORE / with KID KREIDER… At the tail end of the playoffs, it was clear to anyone with a pulse, that NASH picked up the physical part of his game, and was excellent transitioning to the defensive side of the game, and again playing defense. We saw him on more than one occasion hustling back on odd man rushes to break up the play.. With KK on his line, we have excellent skating on the wings, and KREIDER’S “size and strength” as a deterrent for any cheap shots or high hits against NASH.. This “may” help NASH to continue to play a more physical and less peripheral game….. STEPAN / MSL / HAGELIN; certainly not the most physically opposing line in the league, however, it could become lethal.. With STEPANS playmaking and vision on the ice, MSL’s experience and hockey I.Q, and HAGELINS speed and “”continued development, ”” we may have something special here.. HAGELIN’S is a natural distraction because of his speed, and willingness to go into the corners and retrieve pucks.. He at times pulls a 2nd defender out of position because he beats the primary coverage. Obviously one of our guys are going to be open, and STEPAN & MSL are going to exploit it. WE saw STEP thread the needle from the left side of the ice to MSL 10- 15 feet out for the one timer in the playoffs.. If they stay healthy, they’re going to pull this off over and again.. AS HAGELIN develops, he will learn where to be in relation of his line-mates and become more of an option to get “HIM” the puck too… 4th LINE: TANNER GLASS / JT MILLER / DEVON SETOGUCHI ($1-1.5MILL 2 year deal if possible) gives us a 3rd RHS out of 12 forwards, builds on us exploiting our speed and quickness throughout the lineup (remember, we adding FAST, JTMILLER, and Setoguchi) if we were hard to keep up with last year, “FUGGETABOUT-IT” the opposition are gonna be huffin & puffin to keep up with us…. CAP SPACE: we have $14,000,000 (fourteen million) To sign KK, BRASS,ZUCC, JMOORE, not a problem: BRASSARD: we offer him a base salary of $4 or $4.25 mill, as we don’t know what he & his agent are asking for, with 3 or 4 different $250,000 performance goals so that he can earn up to $5mill per year. If we sign him to a $4mill base, 4 $250K realistic bonus potentials, if we start his base at $4.25mill (a $1million dollar raise from last season) he gets 3 attainable bonus incentives to strive for.. ZUCCARELLO: same deal….. “SO this far we’re committed to a maximum of $8.5mill in base salary, leaves $6.5mill in CAP SPACE… KID KREIDER (earned $1,325,000 last year) offer him a base salary of $2.25 - $2.5mill with 3 or 4 $250,000 incentive bonus clauses which can bring his possible earnings to $3 to $4millon, and lock him up for as long as possible….. That bring our max total total of committed base salaries to $11 million… JOHN MOORE, I’d offer him $1.5mill, $1.75mill maximum & if you want to be generous, throw in 1 bonus incentive for $250,000…. Grand Total: $12,750,000 in committed salary, with potential bonuses to pay out of $2.75 million spread across 4 players.. The likelihood of all four attaining the bonuses is unlikely, and the probability of the CAP increasing next year with the Rogers Communication Deal, is likely… So we’re left with $1.25-$1.5mill to sign SETOGUCHI for our 4th line Right Wing… Just like JT Miller, this is the proper placement for a guy who needs to get back in the water, or back on the horse, and practice the scales.. Placing him on the 4th line is step one, and if and when he starts to excel, AV will handle it.. It’s a low risk high reward signing and he adds the high octane to our speed game…….. NEXT: WE DANGLE STAAL TO CAROLINA for their 1st and 2nd rounder picks for next year.. This frees up $3,975,000….. So we are now back under the Cap by that amount…….. “IF” they bite, we either move JMOORE up to 2nd pairing him with DAN BOYLE; move KEVIN KLEIN up with JMOORE to 2nd pairing, pushing Boyle down to 3rd pairing, or we start shopping for a true top 4 defenseman to replace STAAL…. SO, I started looking for defensemen, and I encourage you all offer possible “LHS” defensive replacements. VOLCHENKOV has a history of injuries and has never completed a full season. ED JOVANOVSKI is 37 or 38, could probably be had for 1 yr cheap and be adequate for the 3rd pairing with JMOORE up on the 2nd line. If JOVA has enough in the tank we could slide him up.. He & Boyle could be our “Geritol Boys.” …. Marc Methot on Ottawa, this guy looks perfect for the 2nd pair… Big boy, stay at home type, and he’s earning $3mill this year and becomes a UFA at season’s end…… CONCLUSION: We get all our RFA’s signed, we pick up a 1st & 2nd round pick for next year which is thus far reported as a deep draft and gives us some chance at MCDAVID & EICHEL regardless of how minimal. We have $1million left in Cap Space, we get younger, and a whole lot faster……

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 3:45 pm EST

Ribeiro head and shoulders above Legwand. Still, our best option is via trade, depending on return.

Messier11


Fri Jul 4 2014 2:46 pm EST

With Legwand off the UFA board, there's no one of significane left I can think off, unless you want to count Penner, Heatly, and Steve Snott, who was a whopping -38! I forgetting anybody? Theres always a sleeper who has a good year...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jul 4 2014 2:00 pm EST

Re: Legwand, good for the Senators.....

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 1:39 pm EST

Legward a Senator. ///// Vancouver poised to return significance with post-season roster/front office changes

Messier11


Fri Jul 4 2014 12:47 pm EST

Happy Birthday America!

PJ


Fri Jul 4 2014 12:38 pm EST

Stevielegs- thanks for sharing. Amazing story.

puckyou


Fri Jul 4 2014 11:17 am EST

Pens' GIBBONS signs in Columbus.

tdchi


Fri Jul 4 2014 10:47 am EST

mf - Couple thoughts...I just don't see the Rangers looking outside their organization for a wing, unless it's one with size(i.e. HEATLEY or PENNER)...or snarl(WESTGARTH)...SETOGUCHI...hmm...speed, yeah...but this guy is reminding me more and more of another San Jose flash-in-the-pan by the name of CHEECHO..good prospect, landed a break-out season and has been on a downward spiral ever since...I think there's a reason why 30 teams have passed on him to date, and I don't think it's because he's a diamond in the rough...on MUELLER: I saw both the Bruins and Flyers were/are looking at him...of course, in each case, the 'news' was coming from fan sites and was totally unsourced...Basically writers saying 'our teams are cap-f@cked and this guy might/is a good alternative'...and that's EXACTLY what I'm saying...Mueller last made $1.7 million with the Panthers. My guess is he'd come in even cheaper than that...of course, he hasn't been signed either, which tells you a little bit about how high he is on teams' radar at this point...I continue to bang the drum for him and DAUGAVINS, because they could both be signed for under $2 million and would fit perfectly...both could be shed pretty easily if one of the kids proved better...both could have tremendous upsides...and both will be signed by other teams because Sather never goes after the guys I want...with relatively few exceptions.

tdchi


Fri Jul 4 2014 10:06 am EST

A Reminder of What Matters Today we put our politics aside. You'll read the story of two young men that became closer than brothers because they took an oath, and because they lived true to their word, they saved the lives of many others. No matter what you are struggling with in life, you will be reminded of how easy you have it. I hope you will take this lesson and do two things. First, have enormous gratitude over this special weekend. Second, come back stronger and more persistent than ever before. We have easy lives. Celebrate it, and then commit to making it even better. It is our duty to honor those that have lived by example by living great lives of our own. For now, to honor Independence Day, Lt Gen John Kelly will tell you the story about these two young Marines. One was dirt poor, the other from a background of abundance, who put their lives on the line because of a promise they made to one another and to their brothers. In just six seconds they left their legacy. Craig Ballantyne “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” – Winston Churchill ________________________________________ The Story of Two Marines in the Path of a Truck Bomb By General John Kelly Two years ago when I was the Commander of all U.S. and Iraqi forces, in fact, the 22nd of April 2008, two Marine infantry battalions, 1/9 “The Walking Dead,” and 2/8 were switching out in Ramadi. One battalion in the closing days of their deployment going home very soon, the other just starting its seven-month combat tour. Two Marines, Corporal Jonathan Yale and Lance Corporal Jordan Haerter, 22 and 20 years old respectively, one from each battalion, were assuming the watch together at the entrance gate of an outpost that contained a makeshift barracks housing 50 Marines. The same broken down ramshackle building was also home to 100 Iraqi police, also my men and our allies in the fight against the terrorists in Ramadi, a city until recently the most dangerous city on earth and owned by Al Qaeda. Yale was a dirt poor mixed-race kid from Virginia with a wife and daughter, and a mother and sister who lived with him and he supported as well. He did this on a yearly salary of less than $23,000. Haerter, on the other hand, was a middle class white kid from Long Island. They were from two completely different worlds. Had they not joined the Marines they would never have met each other, or understood that multiple Americas exist simultaneously depending on one’s race, education level, economic status, and where you might have been born. But they were Marines, combat Marines, forged in the same crucible of Marine training, and because of this bond they were brothers as close, or closer, than if they were born of the same woman. The mission orders they received from the sergeant squad leader I am sure went something like: “Okay you two clowns, stand this post and let no unauthorized personnel or vehicles pass.” “You clear?” I am also sure Yale and Haerter then rolled their eyes and said in unison something like: “Yes Sergeant,” with just enough attitude that made the point without saying the words, “No kidding sweetheart, we know what we’re doing.” They then relieved two other Marines on watch and took up their post at the entry control point of Joint Security Station Nasser, in the Sophia section of Ramadi, al Anbar, Iraq. A few minutes later a large blue truck turned down the alley way—perhaps 60-70 yards in length—and sped its way through the serpentine of concrete jersey walls. The truck stopped just short of where the two were posted and detonated, killing them both catastrophically. Twenty-four brick masonry houses were damaged or destroyed. A mosque 100 yards away collapsed. The truck’s engine came to rest two hundred yards away knocking most of a house down before it stopped. Our experts reckoned the blast was made of 2,000 pounds of explosives. Two died, and because these two young infantrymen didn’t have it in their DNA to run from danger, they saved 150 of their Iraqi and American brothers-in-arms. When I read the situation report about the incident a few hours after it happened I called the regimental commander for details as something about this struck me as different. Marines dying or being seriously wounded is commonplace in combat. We expect Marines regardless of rank or MOS to stand their ground and do their duty, and even die in the process, if that is what the mission takes. But this just seemed different. The regimental commander had just returned from the site and he agreed, but reported that there were no American witnesses to the event—just Iraqi police. I figured if there was any chance of finding out what actually happened and then to decorate the two Marines to acknowledge their bravery, I’d have to do it as a combat award that requires two eye-witnesses and we figured the bureaucrats back in Washington would never buy Iraqi statements. If it had any chance at all, it had to come under the signature of a general officer. I traveled to Ramadi the next day and spoke individually to a half-dozen Iraqi police all of whom told the same story. The blue truck turned down into the alley and immediately sped up as it made its way through the serpentine. They all said, “We knew immediately what was going on as soon as the two Marines began firing.” The Iraqi police then related that some of them also fired, and then to a man, ran for safety just prior to the explosion. All survived. Many were injured … some seriously. One of the Iraqis elaborated and with tears welling up said, “They’d run like any normal man would to save his life.” What he didn’t know until then, he said, and what he learned that very instant, was that Marines are not normal. Choking past the emotion he said, “Sir, in the name of God no sane man would have stood there and done what they did.” “No sane man.” “They saved us all.” What we didn’t know at the time, and only learned a couple of days later after I wrote a summary and submitted both Yale and Haerter for posthumous Navy Crosses, was that one of our security cameras, damaged initially in the blast, recorded some of the suicide attack. It happened exactly as the Iraqis had described it. It took exactly six seconds from when the truck entered the alley until it detonated. You can watch the last six seconds of their young lives. Putting myself in their heads I supposed it took about a second for the two Marines to separately come to the same conclusion about what was going on once the truck came into their view at the far end of the alley. Exactly no time to talk it over, or call the sergeant to ask what they should do. Only enough time to take half an instant and think about what the sergeant told them to do only a few minutes before: “ … let no unauthorized personnel or vehicles pass.” The two Marines had about five seconds left to live. It took maybe another two seconds for them to present their weapons, take aim, and open up. By this time the truck was half-way through the barriers and gaining speed the whole time. Here, the recording shows a number of Iraqi police, some of whom had fired their AKs, now scattering like the normal and rational men they were—some running right past the Marines. They had three seconds left to live. For about two seconds more, the recording shows the Marines’ weapons firing non-stop…the truck’s windshield exploding into shards of glass as their rounds take it apart and tore in to the body of the son-of-a-bitch who is trying to get past them to kill their brothers—American and Iraqi—bedded down in the barracks totally unaware of the fact that their lives at that moment depended entirely on two Marines standing their ground. If they had been aware, they would have know they were safe … because two Marines stood between them and a crazed suicide bomber. The recording shows the truck careening to a stop immediately in front of the two Marines. In all of the instantaneous violence Yale and Haerter never hesitated. By all reports and by the recording, they never stepped back. They never even started to step aside. They never even shifted their weight. With their feet spread shoulder width apart, they leaned into the danger, firing as fast as they could work their weapons. They had only one second left to live. The truck explodes. The camera goes blank. Two young men go to their God. Six seconds. Not enough time to think about their families, their country, their flag, or about their lives or their deaths, but more than enough time for two very brave young men to do their duty … into eternity. That is the kind of people who are on watch all over the world tonight — for you. *** Happy Independence Day, America. Be thankful. And then be prepared to be better. [

stevielegs


Fri Jul 4 2014 7:49 am EST

Happy Independence Day to all!

RF73


Fri Jul 4 2014 1:43 am EST

While the Blackhawks built heavy on defence and down the wings and relied a lot on Toews, the Kings made it look absolutely necessary to have depth at centre. Kopitar had 26 points in 26 playoff games and Carter had 25. Murray said he knew right after his team lost in seven games to Los Angeles that it had to have a better No. 2 centre. So he traded Nick Bonino, Luca Sbisa and a first-round pick for Kesler..........http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57466-NHLs-Western-Conference-has-become-an-arms-race-for-toptwo-centres.html

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 12:48 am EST

Zack Kassian re-signs with Canucks: .......http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=725391&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Fri Jul 4 2014 12:47 am EST

AK27 announces retirement: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=725288&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:40 pm EST

LOL: Giroux, 26, is known for his crack offense, always finding a hole, and firm defense, always applying backside pressure. He’s beloved by Flyers fans for his cheeky disposition and for always giving their opponents a handful. As one of the NHL’s brightest stars, hopefully this is just a rump in the road. It would be a shame if he suddenly hit bottom. A bit of a bummer, actually. by Blueshirt in Paris on Jul 2, 2014 | 3:00 PM up reply

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:38 pm EST

So much for a day of big deals. Only thing I expect now is one forward spot (center) addressed by July's end. The front office, for the most part, usually takes August off, and as opposed to previous years I howled from the inactivity and thought they were sitting on their hands, this year, the brass & coaching staff really haven't had a break in a very long, intense year. So I can see them swinging their big move and taking a breather. The opening on wing, who knows. Could be a camp invite, they could see what camp competition among the kids brings, a signing, a trade..... I've seen Steve Ott's name thrown around again and hope NOtt.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:04 pm EST

maybe it's half empty! ...... http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/zuccarello-knows-rangers-are-in-cap-squeeze.html

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:48 pm EST

RF: The Glass is Half Full. :>)

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:47 pm EST

TD: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ty-Anderson/Peter-Mueller-on-Bs-radar/141/61136

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:46 pm EST

Vic - I think you may be getting some of your prospects mixed up...I don't know if KRISTO played center in college, but he was almost exclusively used at wing with the Pack last season, from what I could see...MILLER, LINDBERG, BOUQUE and POWE were the guys I most recall in the middle...and I really don't recall the team every giving Kristo a serious look for a promotion...I think he was even among the first cuts from camp at the start of the year...Kristo, though, has a boatload of talent...outside of Miller, he's probably the most skilled guy down there...and I just noticed, he's also a righty. I do think his time to make the Rangers is this season...I was a little surprised he wasn't traded during the draft, just because he's not very big and not a physical...given the guys in our top three...and the players in the system...I'm just not sure where he fits in.

tdchi


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:21 pm EST

mf: Well there is another more obvious reason he's not a Ranger: He's not signed by 29 other teams either, despite all those glowing attributes you gleefully list!

RF4L


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:03 pm EST

The Setoguchi bus could be a unicycle for all I care. This kid is available at a discount, and the only negative from "The Collective Wall Opinion" I hear is that we're Cap Strapped, Sign Him, we'll worry about the money later..... I have a lot of confidence in this current Ranger's coaching staff, and believe they can help a guy like this turn his production back up. ........ The coaches deserve a lot of credit for how far we went this past year...... OAN, I would like to see the team defense continue to tighten up this year, without sacrificing any offense....Not an easy task, but with most of the team returning, their playoff experience, and if we continue to exploit our "'speed game," I believe attainable..... With JT Miller, Fast, & Setoguchi we can cover more ice in a shorter period of time........ Could be a very exciting & entertaining season .....

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:55 pm EST

Bob: Bang on. And as Vic astutely pointed out earlier, the higher those picks are, the better chance they mature and the earlier they mature.

RF4L


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:48 pm EST

Picks are a crapshoot. The more picks you have, the better the odds you come up with players that make the NHL or can be used in deals for other players. Pissing away draft picks is not the way to build a consistent winner in a salary capped league. Mortgaging the future is fine if it works. We shall see.

Bob


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:31 pm EST

Wild: Good stats and guess what? They back what the keep the picks brigade keep saying. The Rangers have been competitive lately because they kept their picks. In the past 2 drafts in rounds 1 and 2 they've had but a single pick. Next year no 1st round. I mean, surely you get where I'm going with this. Sather is clearly mortgaging the future for the now. Cool if it works. Of course, 'if it works' is quite subjective, but logic suggests a fall is coming (and your statistics only emphasize that).

RF4L


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:23 pm EST

docjay: Wow, that's quite the proclamation and if true, indicative of Sather's crappiness.

RF4L


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:22 pm EST

mf: With all due respect, I think that Setagouchi train is more like a mini-van! ;^)

RF4L


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:42 pm EST

2 observations on signing dan boyle - the rangers have not had a defenseman who combines skill and toughness like this since brad park. i just hope he has something left in the tank - if the 2013-14 rangers had dan boyle on their roster, they would be stanley cup champions right now

docjay


Thu Jul 3 2014 6:56 pm EST

Did NOT mean to type 5th. Meant to type something about a 5 pick range and saying Rangers pick 9th or 10th and another team picks 7th or 8 th or 11th or 12th...I got interrupted and totally lost what I was doing.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 6:04 pm EST

Enough is enough is enough. The myth that the Rangers have not had 1st round picks. 10 of the last 14 drafts (2 without have come the last two so those drafts wouldn't affect this year most likely anyway since both would have been mid to late first rounders) and a total of 11 first rounders over that time. Add to that 17 second rounders and you have enough picks. This constant drumming of "the rangers never have early picks" or "this is what happens when you trade all your picks" is a bunch of crap. Also if you REALLY look I mean REALLY look you will see that the rangers have about the same success as every other team who picks in about the same pick (like if rangers picks 5th and another team picks 7th or 8th)

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 5:33 pm EST

Here are a few guys I wouldn't mind seeing the Rangers take a flyer on to round out their roster: DEVIN SETOGUCHI - great skater with good hands and offensive instincts. DUSTIN PENNER - Great size with good hands. I know there have been questions as to his character and desire, but he might be an inexpensive replacement for Pouliot. He only made 2 million last year. Maybe he could be signed for 1.7 mil. JAMIE MCBAIN - Buffalo did not qualify him allowing him to walk. He was once pretty highly touted and is only 26. He might be a good reclamation project and may pan out. He made 1.9 mil last season and could probably be brought in for less. PAUL RANGER - could make a really solid # 7 defenseman. Had a 1 mil salary last year and could probably be brought in for around the same. As far as a center goes, the ONLY available free agent center that I would want lining up on our third line would be DAVID LEGWAND but there's no way we can afford him. I want no part of STEVE OTT for the third line. DEREK ROY intrigues me, but he's so small. Still, I'm sure he'd be affordable.

evets1980


Thu Jul 3 2014 4:55 pm EST

Yeah I tried MF....that I get for text in/driving.... New dude nicknamed Nasty....I'll take 10 more just like him...

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 4:47 pm EST

HOSPO: You might be right on KRISTO. I always thought he was a Center but I maybe saw him once or twice. If that is the case then LINDBERG would be the guy. Also, I totally agree about the kids but I do think they will get the chance to fail before the Rangers bring in any vets. MF: Maybe on SETOGUCHI but only after the kids get a shot to fail.

Vic


Thu Jul 3 2014 4:20 pm EST

VIC - Whie I agree with you on the marginal state of our prospects..and the reasons for it...Not sure that it ensures the three kids will make the starting team...Yes, the Rangers might want then to...but if they figure out a way to bring in a vet or two, they will......and if they see in preseason that adequate progress hasn't been made, they will scramble...I think either are as likely scenarios as the kids making it....Also, one thing you mentioned about KRISTO playing with hags and St. Louis (over Lindberg)..Isn't KRISTO a RW??? It's bad enough, right now, our top two center have FO% in the mid 40%,, throwing in a non-center or even a rookie can only help us lose points..

Hospo


Thu Jul 3 2014 4:00 pm EST

mf: I'm with you on the Setagouchi train!

Ranger47


Thu Jul 3 2014 3:51 pm EST

VIC: The way I see it, you just endorsed SETOGUCHI a former 1st round / 8th overall pick... We need top 10 talent & although he's not performing like one now, some team thought he was. A little investment in him just might get him back on the track, and pay big dividends..... Considering the pickle we're in, we must continue to be creative.....

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 3:48 pm EST

Vic: Well stated (and disconcerting!).

Ranger47


Thu Jul 3 2014 3:19 pm EST

WILDCARD: I had a long response but the Wall ate it. Summary version was that even though LINDBERG got a chance with the Rangers this past season it would be a mistake to assume that he has the job over KRISTO. KRISTO may be a better fit with MSL and HAGS, especially from an offensive perspective. AV isn't like TORTS. AV wants three lines and can skate and score. Two of the other prospects are going to be moved up to the big team this year (most likely MILLER and FAST). McILRATH and/or ALLEN may be up as well. Next year MSL and STAAL may come off the books but they both could be resigned as well. If MSL is resigned it would be for less money but if STAAL is resigned it would be for more. That will be a wash. If one or neither is resigned then the Rangers will have to replace that roster spot. We aren't talking about 4th line or 7th defensman spots either. The Rangers have nobody in the system that is going to replace either of those guys, especially if the most ready guys are already with the team this year. That means UFAs would need to be brought it to replace what you lose with MSL and STAAL. As for the Rangers not being in as bad a shape Cap wise as some other teams, that may be. However, the Rangers still have yet to resign 4 RFAs and have to replace 3 other spots (minimum) on the roster. Again, if from the farm team all of those who are possibly in the mix as of September 1 are either free agents now (KRISTO) or will be by the end of the season. This is another result of not drafting in the first round and not drafting high up. You end up getting a lot of players that play out their entry level contracts without making it to the NHL club. The Rangers don't have much of an idea if any of these guys is a viable option, and if they have a future. Contrast that with someone like KREIDER or McSSIAH and you see that the Rangers knew what they had very quickly. In the case of McILRATH the Rangers took him in the first round knowing he was a project. If he hadn't been injured he would have probably had a shot with the Rangers by now. When you draft a lot of 3rd 4th and 5th rounders you end up with a lot of guys who don't crack and NHL lineup in their 1st 5 years.

Vic


Thu Jul 3 2014 3:12 pm EST

Ranger47 - Gotta be a Pack signing for toughness and protection....pure and simple,,,.guys like Haley, Asham ,Bickel (Minny) and others must be gone...Tarnasky has had an interesting career..In the NHL for 5 straight years but not one NHL game in the last 4 years..

Hospo


Thu Jul 3 2014 3:07 pm EST

these are always the signings I have no stomach for.

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:55 pm EST

I assume its addition of some grit for the Pack with Tarnasky?

Ranger47


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:49 pm EST

Rangers have signed Nick Tarnasky

Gibbo


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:18 pm EST

""RJ"" too.....

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:17 pm EST

RR: Is this a flashback to the 60's "Summer of Love" or something? The heat getting to you? A peace offering? That's Beautiful. :-) This shit keeps up, maybe "EEEEEE" come back to play.... Hint, hint, hint......

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:10 pm EST

WILD - You mentioned PETR KONTIOLA the other day as a ppossible cheap option..Someboy else mentioned SANTORELI...BOTH signed with the LEAFS for one year

Hospo


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:02 pm EST

Was eondering why I didnt see it here!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 2:01 pm EST

Aw shoot.check that again. Danm site I was lookin at updated old story, thought it was other guy.TD will never believe me. Really thought it was other guy.sry.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:58 pm EST

Peter is still unsigned, I believe

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:57 pm EST

Check that.signed CHRIS Mueller. Signed Peter other day. So...two Muellers.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:56 pm EST

RR- don't you mean Chris

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:55 pm EST

TD consider this a peace offering. Rangers signed Peter Mueller, who im pretty sure you eere salivating over. And im on vacation & took time to post ip cause I thought youd wanna know., So you know its sincere.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:33 pm EST

Good point, puckyou....he has 100 pts in 132 playoff games. It's not like he's not producing. I mean, is the guy known for choking on wide- open nets? Does he trip and fall on penalty shots? Is it something he is doing specifically that people label him a "loser" or simply the fact that he has not won a Cup? Because if that's it, then you, York18 and others who rail against the way he's being labeled are correct....because it's a TEAM game.

JFC31


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:31 pm EST

http://www.capgeek.com/rangers/ ...... We have $14,007,500 in Cap Space...... Big Joe T has 3 years remaining at $6,750,000.. If we acquire Joe T, we're left with $7,257,500, with Brassard, Zuccini, Kreider, and J.Moore left to sign. (Carcillo unsigned too, NBD) Unless Sather is rolling the Bonus Incentive Dice big time with those remaining contracts, I don't know how he's getting under the Cap.. What are we going to do, bring up trading Staal or Girardi? Girardi has a NMC, and the thought of trading Staal is somewhat of a mindph_ck..... Personally, I'm for Joe T coming to the Rangers, if the numbers work, and we don't give up too much... Since I don't know much of the performance levels or promise of the kids on the farm, trading them doesn't feel like much of a loss... (Sorry TD / RF) .........Although Trading Yutes doesn't get us under the Cap.......

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:24 pm EST

JT has played 1200 NHL games- is a handful of points shy of a point a mame player career- but he's not a winner. 100 playoff points.. Carcillo has a Cup- I guess he's a winner, JT not as good.

puckyou


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:16 pm EST

RF4L - Not confused. I know he is with Anaheim, I thought he had one year left sorry. The reason I brought MTL into the discussion is because of his past there and how he has said on multiple occassions that he would be interesting in ending his career where he started. However, it seems as if MTL is passing on him because of their need to sign Subban and Eller.

sportyplaya1188


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:09 pm EST

Yorker I'll add Patrice Bergeron to the loser-until-they-won list; Chara also. I'm all for Thornton. I'm usually a youth-guy, but with the sorry prospects we have, 38-year-old MSL, Nash, and Hank locked up until he's 40, it's lightning-in-a-bottle time. Fell 3 games short this past year. Tough to get back but making believe JT Miller, Kristo and Lindberg are part of a Cup contended -- Stanley not Calder -- isn't a plan.

Nick


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:09 pm EST

VIC: I understand all your points. GOC is signed, so it's moot.... I'm fixated on Setoguchi. We can tap into the CAP OVERAGE allowed during the summer months, if we go over once signing all our RFA's is complete.. We can probably sign him for $1mill, with a couple of $250,000 dollar bonus incentives... He attains the bonuses, tyhey count against next years Cap, BFD. I would like at least 1 RW on every line, and especially on the PP..... We just lost B.Boyle our PK go to guy. Setoguchi & Hagelin, a LHS & a RHS on the PK could lead the league in Short Handed Goals with their combined speed.. Big "IF" Setoguchi / Brass / MZA mesh, look out, I just have this gut feeling they'd be better than last years line with Pouliot...... Besides, we're not breaking the bank to sign Setoguchi, and the Ranger Brass will figure out some way to get under the Cap............. As for Joe Thornton and the trade deadline, if San Jose is playing well & competing for the playoffs, why would they trade JT before the deadline? If we are in danger og not making the playoffs as the deadline nears, we're gonna trade for JT ?

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 1:05 pm EST

Ranger47 -- rangers announced that they signed D. Moore

JFC31


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:54 pm EST

Vic: Gotta go for it this year, but I say wait till the deadline. Gotta see what the kids can do. See what Miller/Fast can do in a top 9 role. Wait till the deadline when you can evaluate. If Miller puts up 40 pts as your 3C and maybe Step puts up #'s like he did during 12/13, and Brass gives you around 50 pts again then there is very little need for Joe Thornton. Use the remaining $$ to sign our RFAs and use the leftover million or two and sign a cheap winger with some upside. Nash/Step/Krieder Hags/Brass/MSL Zucc/Miller/UFA Glass/Moore/Fast

professa


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:48 pm EST

I saw on the Wall that the Rangers had signed Dom Moore, but then saw some conflicting info which indicated that the deal may have fell through. Anyone know the actually status?

Ranger47


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:42 pm EST

Kristo wont mean jack to the cap this year or next unless he makes the team. There is enough cap space to get the current RFAs back on board with 3-4 mil left over. Most of the players you listed cant count against the cap unless another player is not on the roster, so there will be more room capwise of them to fill. The Rangers are tight against this years cap, but are hardly in the cap hell of the Bruins or Flyers. They are forced to use LTIR to fill their rosters...the Rangers will do so with a little room left over. They can also NOT carry the spare forward and soar D for a while since they have so many home games to start, that will "create" more cap space as the season goes on.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:27 pm EST

sporty: Methinks you're a tad confused. Koivu hasn't been a Canadien for like 4 years and is an UFA out of Anaheim and in fact, may be retired now.

RF4L


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:24 pm EST

MF: The Rangers don't have the Cap space to sign anyone else or bring on any more salary without getting rid of contracts. They don't have much Cap space left for 2014-2015 and need to get a number of important RFA's signed now including MZA, BRASSARD, KREIDER and J MOORE. Added to that list is KRISTO and RYAN BORQUE unless they plan to cut bait with either or both. I don't see the Rangers letting KRISTO go when they may need to see if he can be that 3rd line Center this coming season. But, don't just look at this year. The Cap issue is one that must be evaluated on a multiyear basis. Signing somone like GOC has an impact into the future even if he only signs for a year. This is true because that would mean one more roster spot to fill next summer along with having to resign next year's crop of RFAs that include: STEPAN, HAGS, FAST, MILLER, LINDBERG, ALLEN, McILRATH, and HRIVIK. Not to mention the UFAs of STAAL, MSL and TALBOT, Some of those RFAs will be Rangers roster players either this year or next year so those contracts will need to be worked out. The Rangers really are in Cap Hell. There are two ways out of this. You trade NASH for prospects and picks and use that Cap money toward being able to resign some of the current and future Rangers. OR, you trade some of those prospects away, along with someone like STEPAN or BRASSARD for an aging player that can help you win right now. Basically, the Rangers either have to really go for it this season, or pull back.

Vic


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:09 pm EST

SPORTY: No to SAKU.

Vic


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:07 pm EST

good point.

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 12:02 pm EST

Our Goc is Moore.

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:58 am EST

Our farm system could not produce a center & a wing..... Goc couldn't play 3rd line center for us? He signed for ($1.2million) half a mill less than he made last year, did we even kick the tires on the boy? From "The Hockey News," "Has good speed and two-way instincts. Is a capable player in all game situations and displays plenty of versatility. Is also a good face-off man." ........ Last year we saw a side of the game that we barely remember seeing from a Rangers team, "SPEED." Had we signed GOC, he's faster than Brad Richards, Let JT Miller start on the 4th line, he's pretty speedy, and let FAST start on the Zucc/Brassard/ line...... I'm pissed we didnt sign GOC as an insurance policy, and Setoguchi is still out their and I think we should take a chance on this kid, work with him and help him turn his game around.... Again from "The Hockey News" what they list as his assets & flaws...Assets: Has blazing speed and goal-scoring instincts. Can separate himself from checkers and unleash a surprisingly heavy and accurate shot. Can be used in all game situations when on top of his game. Flaws:.... Inconsistent, he needs to keep the work ethic and intensity levels on full throttle at all times in order to fully exploit his gifts as a scoring winger. Also, he isn't always engaged enough defensively.......These flaws can be remedied with coaching and training.. He's listed at 6', 205lbs, RHS, very fast skater.... you cant teach speed... end of rant

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:58 am EST

It seems as if Saku Koivu is being shopped around and the Canadiens have already made it somewhat clear that they are done making moves until Subban and Eller are signed. What would you think about trading for Koivu as a 4th line center? He had 29 pts last year, is a known leader, a good two years out of him might be good.

sportyplaya1188


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:45 am EST

Missiaen locked down. Whew!

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:44 am EST

Joe T is not a winner? No one is a winner till they become a winner ray bourque wasn't look how long before Stevie y became a winner.

York18


Thu Jul 3 2014 11:37 am EST

Blues bring their big prospect center Phil McRae back from the Finnish league. They are up against the cap, but they have added a lot of offense with stastny, lehtera, lindstrom, mcrae and gunnarson. They can get a little room by moving Leopold and/or Jackman.

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:48 am EST

Also, If Staal and the Rangers cant come to a deal he will end up leaving and the Rangers get nothing. They need to extend him before the deadline, I would like that extension to happen this summer before camp kicks off. He could bring back a top 6 forward and a good pick if not more. There are few teams that wouldn't look and see if they could get Staal in trade. Cant lose him for nothing.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:45 am EST

Mess: Yeah, however if you use another asset (wing or center, maybe a prospect or two they see as redundant) to get another top 4 D who is signed for a deal that fits the cap structure the Rangers want it is not such a big drop off.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:35 am EST

If we move Staal, Hank faces 10-15 more shots per night

Messier11


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:34 am EST

WILD.... I think the only way that Staal leaves here is if he decides he wants to play with his brothers. Otherwise, I see him taking a deal very similar to Girardi's. On the bright side, everyone keeps talking about how NHL-ready Brady Skjei is looking these days. He'll probably be returning to college for his junior season and make a strong push to join the team for next season. Hopefully, he's following the Ryan McDonagh path to NHL success.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:28 am EST

There is also the possibility that Staal and the Rangers end up too far apart and Sather feels its best to move him. He could be moved for a center or wing (with size and skill) and that could open (depending on what the kids show) to trade a center or wing (Hags, Brass, Stepan, or others) for another top 4 Dman to replace Staal. Staal could land a major haul, Fans here seem to think he is some kind of not so great, but there would be teams lined up to get him in trade.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:23 am EST

WILD, youre making too much sense. Wont matter, some will just continue to ding the same OLD tune about age and Kenny Hodge & Bobby Carpenter. They know everything, even though AV says talent has no age & the team is driving for the Cup. We're supposed to hoard bubbleheaded prospects ad infinitum, because he with the most prospects wins!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:22 am EST

My .02 cents on Joe Thornton... I really don't see a match. If there was no cap or he got bought out that would be one thing, but neither is reality. With the cap being what it is, I really don't see us making any trades. Also, The Sharks are getting old and there's no one going to help them get out of their contracts... I know the Rangers want to focus on their RFA's but the agents for said RFA's are probably still focused on their clients that are still UFA's(per Gross). Perhaps the Rangers should shift their focus to Mike Ribeiro. Is he my ideal choice for a center? No. But he should come relatively cheap on a one year deal and maybe we can sweeten it with some incentives. If possible, I'd offer both Ribeiro and Heatly 1-year, $1 million deals with incentives. This way if one or more of our young guys "win" a job, it's still theirs for the taking.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:18 am EST

td: At the same time I agree with an earlier post of yours. I would rather take a shot (at least now) at some returning from across the pond players. If they don't work put, waive them, trade them for future considerations or whatever, than if all else fails go after a guy like JT from the Sharks. Perhaps after camp they will have a better handle on some of the kids, and after some games this season in the AHL to have the team figure out who they see as having a future and who can be used as a trade asset. Like you I think the core needs to be solidified contractually and than fill in around it. Also on that. While Strallman is out on D and Boyle is in, I think the disruption will be minimal there, Boyle has been around long enough and a leader type mentality to not make waves, Glass is not some guy who hasn't been around, so I think he just comes in and does his job. The young core and MSL as well as the more veteran core like Giradi, Staal and Hank will be the center of the team still. But too much more movement and there may be some issues,

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:15 am EST

Joe Thornton would of course be an extremely good fit between Kreider and Nash. Soft and not a winner? Who cares, he is a strong hockey player. BUT it all of course depends on the price and if we can fit him under the cap. Right now, we can't e ven remotely afford him under the cap. At the deadline? Next summer? Possibly he is an option then...

Ola


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:14 am EST

That Hayes kid from Chicago, who becomes available on August 15, could be a good option. 6'4 LW/RW option who scored 60 pts in 40 games in college. Could slide well into Pouliot spots next Brass and Zucc.

Ola


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:08 am EST

also, "soft" I don't get that, he isn't soft as much as non aggressive. He takes hits, he goes to the slot, he works the boards. And his size makes it so defenders need to work that much harder to try and contain and stop him. Again, upgrade over anyone on the Rangers or in the system who will be around in the next 1-2 seasons. And if his list of teams he will go to is "NYR" and no one else, he will cost less than trying to land a different center.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:05 am EST

TD: He is a set up man...always has been. Also 56.1% on face offs would be nice. He and Nash have always had chemistry when together. More points than any Ranger last year. 35 is just a number, MSL is 38 should we dump him due to that? Jumbo Joe would be an upgrade over any NYR center on the Roster and is better than anyone they can get in UFA and will cost less than others

Wildcard


Thu Jul 3 2014 9:01 am EST

Thornton's soft but Stepan is not?

mf


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:58 am EST

If acquiring Thornton means the end of TD with the Rangers, I'll contribute BIG cash to the deal!!!!!!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:54 am EST

JFC - See, the problem with Thornton is that he really doesn't address anything IMO...size? Yeah, but the guy is soft as the day is long...and he's 35...his goal production has been steadily declining...and there's no denying the fact he didn't exactly show up for the playoffs...I think Joe Thornton would be my end with the Rangers. I simply couldn't take that kind of abuse. His acquisition, IMO, would be a return to the late 1990s-early 2000s, when acquiring high-priced retreads was the way forward, not building a champion.

tdchi


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:40 am EST

Puck... When I saw the 1-year deal he signed with Chicago, that's the first thing I said.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 3 2014 8:02 am EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/brad-richards-deal-purpose-rangers-return/

puckyou


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:52 am EST

Darren Dreger...... As of last night, Toronto among the interested teams awaiting word from David Legwand following contract offer.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:50 am EST

50 pts, not 60

JFC31


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:47 am EST

TD -- at some point, the Rangers will gave to address the issue at center....the issue being that it is the weakest part of this team. I like JT Miller....he's only 20 years old and has all the tools needed to be a success. But, if he's gonna be a regular on this squad, I see him more on the wing than at canter. We are so far away at center from a team like LA that it's not even funny. We need to get bigger at C and more point production from whomever the next center is, is very important. Who do we have that can produce Richards' 60 points? So, whether it's Thornton (and I think he fills all the needed criteria) or someone else, we need to get a legitimate center to replace Richards.

JFC31


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:32 am EST

My take on the Rangers is that they've identified their core and are making moves accordingly...the one piece I really don't get is Tanner Glass for three years...but that's another story...provided they don't get embroiled in some protracted contract disputes with the RFAs, their core is Step, Nash, Kreider, Hagelin, Brassard, Zucc, Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, Klein and Lundqvist...Like it or not, these are the guys I think they're trying to keep in NY long-term...I even leave St. Louis off this list, since I don't think he's going to be around much past a couple years...And the verdict is still out on John Moore...The moves they made seem all designed around infilling with guys like Miller(who I actually think is part of this core), Kristo, Fast(another core player I think), Lindberg and to a lesser degree, Skjei, McIlrath, and Duclair...possibly Haggerty and McCarthy...and then sort of sprinkling guys like Boyle, Carcillo, Glass and Dom Moore in as character guys...Until they have that core locked up, I think this is very much a roster in flux...and I don't think we'll see any serious moves or signings...The roster turnover here was VERY significant...there's no denying the fact the Rangers lost four VERY important cogs and I think we'll suffer for it early on. That said, 15 returning players is nothing to sneer at...and I think any move that is made will be to compliment these guys, not make some sort of crazy splash(i.e. acquiring Joe Thornton or even Mike Green when he goes on the block soon)...that's why I'm a big advocate of getting European exiles like Daugavins and Mueller...guys that could be brought in on the cheap and who could fill the roles respectively of Pouliot and Richards if the kids aren't ready...I don't think either would be looking for LT deals...but again...until the RFAs are signed, they have no idea what's left in the till, so everything grinds to a halt. Gonna be a long slog through July, me thinks.

tdchi


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:24 am EST

The more I think about it, the more it seems inevitable that we'll get Joe Thornton....it's just a matter of "when", not "if". The situation fits the same pattern as MSL...Bad blood (do run do run do do do-do run-run) between player (and his brother/agent) and management....no trade clause....player says he'll accept a trade to Rangers. He fits what the Rangers need, size & position wise, and he's still got skills. He has a lot to prove in the POs but so does his friend Nash...is it possible the two of them could really rally together in the POs to prove their critics wrong? Why not? So, IMO it's gonna be Thornton coming here by the deadline. If Sather waits until last minute, or until somehow it becomes apparent that his attempts to fill the C spot from within are a disaster, it's gonna cost more. I'd rather just see the deal done before camp opens. Again, I don't want to see a repeat of last year's musical chairs start of the season.

JFC31


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:11 am EST

This Joe THORNTON rumor is simply HILARIOUS. There's just no sequence of moves in which it would make sense. And that's before you factor in the notion he's a loser.

tdchi


Thu Jul 3 2014 7:07 am EST

newfie2014 - Curadi is just in camp..he's going back to RPI this fall...He's among the non-roster players there...RPI's Neal and Union's Stevens are two others. Stevens is wheeling down to the Panthers' camp later this summer...on McCARTHY - I know he didn't do much statistically for the Pack in his limited stint there, but he's a guy I've got a good feeling about...he's got some good skill and really helped Vermont team that wasn't very good overachieve last year...was his injury in 2011 that really sort of pushed him off the radar...my barometer with guys like him and HAGGERTY is how they show consistent improvement in the NCAA. I think both will be in Hartford to start the season, but will have a future with the Rangers.

tdchi


Thu Jul 3 2014 6:10 am EST

Dan Boyle vs. Brassard- as Nash looks on. http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/derick-brassard/watch-that-time-dan-boyle-fought-derick-brassard/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:07 pm EST

SCHNEIDW: Actually, I thought STAAL had some real rough games during the playoffs. He isn't the player that we were all hoping he would be at this stage of his career. The injuries and lost seasons have hurt his game. That said, I still think he is excellent defenseman who is either a 1st pair or 2nd pair guy depending on the team you are talking about. In a perfect world I would love to have him stay a Ranger. However, I don't think that is going to happen. Unless the Cap goes up significantly I don't see how the Rangers can afford to resign him. He will get huge offers if he goes to free agency. Even if the Rangers could match or pay more he may choose to take less money to play elsewhere with his brothers. If the Rangers haven't resigned him by the deadline SATHER will have no choice but the trade him like he did with CALLY.

Vic


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:48 pm EST

Oh, Isles did get him. Missed that somehow. And they finally got a goalie, and will still suck.....until he arrives hahaha...

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:40 pm EST

Schneid, have you seen the news? Hahaha... For today at least think you have to be happy with Jessiman LOL....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:34 pm EST

Sanguinetti.... OUCH!! Almost as painful as Jessiman since NYRs passed over Girouex...

schneidw


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:33 pm EST

VIC- Was just reading your post and nodding in agreement.. good points... but then you close out with suggesting trading Marc Staal and I am still shaking my head in disbelief... did you miss the playoff games or something?? Staal was the best NYR and should be signed long term ASAP

schneidw


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:31 pm EST

Did they lock him up Rhet? Snow's been dying to spend that $, no one would take it. Has to be very frustrating....not that I feel too bad lol.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:21 pm EST

Carcillo is out, he and Glass both play left wing.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:21 pm EST

Winnipeg has the Cap room @ $13,582,000 and looks like they are shy a forward or two..... http://www.capgeek.com/jets/

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:19 pm EST

Jeremy Roenick..... Way to go islanders!!!! Making a 40pt guy a 5 million dollar player!!! Grabovski?? 5 million??? I'm going back to the gym!! Good god

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:18 pm EST

I've had some time to reflect on what the Rangers have done and not done with the roster. At this point, given where the Rangers are vs the Cap, I think the Rangers are done until camp unless some kind of big trade goes down. Assuming there is no big trade I really do believe that the Rangers intend to go into camp with prospects competing for the open spots on this team. I think MILLER will be the guy that is looked at to replace POULIOT on the BRASSARD-MZA line. He skates well, has size and plays an aggressive game. We've seen glimpses of the hands and skill that he has. I think he is given every opportunity to seize that role in camp. I think LINDBERG and KRISTO will be competing for the Center spot on the 3rd line. KRISTO would bring better offensive and playmaking skills. LINDBERG would be more responsible defensively. If either one of them clicks with HAGS and MSL I think they get the job coming out of camp. I think FAST and some of the other kids are going to compete for the wing on the 4th line. It is possible that CARCILLO could be resigned but at this point I just don't know if they will. On D I think DM and ALLEN will get an opportunity to win a job. One of them will stick with the Rangers. If both impress we could see MOORE or STAAL moved. I think the Rangers are planning to infuse some of the guys pushing from Hartford early in the year so that they have a full season under their belts before the playoffs. If it works they could be in good shape. If not we could see some of those young guys moved for vets at the deadline.

Vic


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:17 pm EST

Trade chatter way up as of about 10pm. Didnt see any new ones involving us, but many saying GMs needed day to regroup after the UFA orgy and are ready to roll. We'll see. Lotta business still needs to get done.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:10 pm EST

I think Carcillo is out. I think we can get by without, also, bc Glass fulfills a cross-section of Boyles and Carcillos abilities. Save that spot for a kid who can keep that line mobile and offensively creative. Or for Nash as punishment until he agrees to leave

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:08 pm EST

I do think its possible to move Nash and we have the GM that moved Gomez, that moved Rupp that moved Malakhov, etc. The creative part will be finding the place with the room, that want to take on that kind of contract, where Nash is willing to go. I wonder if he could be convinced to move on over to the Barclay Center, where Snow has been struggling until very recently to attract talent.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:54 pm EST

We need to trim dollars somewhere, even if we're counting on Fast, Miller, and Carcillo in the lineup.

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:40 pm EST

mf: Time to stop puffing on that Nash bong of yours dude. Really, it is. There's a lot more exciting things you can stuff into that bong you know...

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:39 pm EST

mf: Ahhh...NO!

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:22 pm EST

No you cant MF. Cause SJ is rebuilding. Or retooling. Taking step back to take two forward Wilson called it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:19 pm EST

SJ has the Cap Space, $14,320,000

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:18 pm EST

If Thornton would waive his NTC to play with his "good friend" Nash, Nash would probably waive his NTC to play in SJ. Could we get San Jose's 1st & 2nd or 1st and a player for NASH?

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:16 pm EST

SJ is gonna take JT Miller and a couple of dreg picks Sather has left for Joe Thornton? Doubtful at best. Or $7.8 million epic choke artist Nash? For anyone? The only place I've ever seen or heard Nash mentioned as trade bait is right here. NO ONE is taking this joker. He's all ours. Get ready for some November and February highlight reel goals, then contact the FBI to find him in April.

Nick


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:49 pm EST

Canucks signed sanguinetti also

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:41 pm EST

Thats right JFC. Sather wouldn't do it & AV definitely won't have it. He loves tandems and that's his best one. Those guys will end up with a Dany Heatly type on their flank, probably on a 1- year deal, and with whichever center they spring for, that'll be the team. That'd leave open a 4th line wing spot, or maybe Moore shifts over, depending who makes it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:34 pm EST

Not a big fan of Jumbo Shrinp. However, if he makes Nash effective, they might have to consider making the move. San Jose does not really need to get a center back, and would probably want prospects and picks. That would mean the Rangers moving some money out. I would rather see the Rangers send Nash to San Jose and bring Pavelski or Couture to NY.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:22 pm EST

Professa. GLASS is hardly a goon. He's a 3-4 line player that plays with an edge blocks shots and hits everything. And will fight when it's necessary.

ref24


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:06 pm EST

I don't think it makes sense to trade Brassard in order yo get Thornton. That's robbing Zucc to pay Nash....taking one step forward and another one back. Would make more sense if it were Miller + ? + ?. Why would Sather want to take a chance at completely dismantling one of his best lines. The loss of Poo is easier to fix when you have Zucc & Brass not skipping a beat. Add in a creative wing or a board banger with skill and it should work out fine. Trade Brass and suddenly Zucc has no line at all. Sather/AV have to construct an entire new, unproven line and most likely we have musical,chair lines for the 1st 30 games. Zucc-Brass-? has a better chance of providing go the Rangers with so e continuity and stability. Do we want another disjointed start like last year where we leave camp,still guessing and hoping the combos will work? I don't.

JFC31


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:05 pm EST

Darren Dreger....2-years, $5 Mil per for Vrbata

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:51 pm EST

Canucks sign Vrbata

professa


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:49 pm EST

Just playing around on cap geek, there's a very small chance we're getting Thornton without giving up either Brass or Zucc. Both of them are gonna get at least 4 million. With Kreider getting at least 2 million and J Moore a million and change, there's just no room. Shows how f***in stupid that Tanner Glass deal was. 1.5 million cap hit for a goon. The only way we get Thornton without giving up Brass is if they retain a % of Thornton's contract, and with SJ's cheap ownership, I doubt they do that. Offer them Brassard, Fast, and a pick for Thornton and Andrew Desjardins(cheap, fills hole up middle). The cap is very very tight.

professa


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:33 pm EST

BTW, Full Tilt magazine, whoever the heck they are, has a not too inadvertent home page pic of Claude Giroux shooting pool and a....er....friend crosschecking him from behind with a cue. LOL.. I can't believe more wasn't made of that story here!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:20 pm EST

Think Marleau's headed to Beantown MF. Thats why they let Iggy walk. Marleau or Evander'Kane. But Cheveldae just can't pull the trigger

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:16 pm EST

That's Mr Ho-Sang to you; and while I'm at it, Mr Oscar Lindberg and not Lindburger LOL. Yeah the Odjidk thing is awful. Great how people rally around , and hes got such a brave face on. probably some awful PED related stuff. Terrible. 43 yes old.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:10 pm EST

Rabbit, if they'll eat enough dollars, tell them to send Marleau too :-)

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:06 pm EST

RABID - Must have been among your Hop-Sing pyrotechnics of yor battles with your buddy..:)....but, my bad, I missed it......Still, it is a story that is special and worth repeating

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:00 pm EST

Jesus Hospo put your glasses on. Posted about Odjick last week. Weve been nibbling around Thorton here since gm 5. And it wont be Brass going. Everyone including Doug Wilson needs to get that through their head. Theyre getting Miller (and a few pieces) and theyll like it. AND theyll eat a huge chunk of $.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:51 pm EST

Another Wow, and a bit more important, did you guys see this story about Canuck fans and dying ex Vancouver forward/enforcer Gino ODJICK...http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/07/01/vancouver-fans-grant-a-former-players-dying-wish/?wpsrc=AG0003360

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:45 pm EST

RHET - If true, Wow,,I should never put anything past Sather when it comes to Big Kahunas,,..Here I'm thinking Slats might be fine going with SStep, Brass and another C of equal or lesser talent...We shall see,,

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:43 pm EST

Carolina gets mcclement, 1 year, 1 million

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:41 pm EST

WILD - I hear ya..Personally, I think Nash is gonna have a huge year for the Rangers offensively...He's too talented not to figure out his offensive woes if he plays as hard and physical as he did in the POs without any harm....Mentally, he should be ready to kill......Unfortunately, the last time I said that, he Didn't have a big series agasint Pitt, but the Rangers did win!!

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:39 pm EST

FTHN Magazine is reporting that Glen Sather has contacted the San Jose Sharks in an attempt to trade for 34-year-old center Joe Thornton. “Jumbo Joe” has made it known he doesn’t mind a trade to the Big Apple. Thornton’s been saying to friends close to him that he has desires to waive his no trade clause only for the Rangers (sounds similar to Martin St. Louis earlier in the year). Another reason why he wants to come to New York is to play with one of his close friends, Rick Nash. Thornton still has first-line center potential for another year or so, as he tallied 76 points during the 2013-14 season. One of the biggest question marks regarding this possible trade is the salary cap for both teams. The Rangers will probably have to move a few pieces and draft picks just to acquire Thornton. A name that’s been thrown around as trade bait is Derick Brassard.... http://fulltilthockeynetwork.com/2014/07/rumor-new-york-rangers-aggressively-pursuing-joe-thornton/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:19 pm EST

WC: I hear you..... think we can lowball Setoghuchi with a 1 or 2 yr at $1mill ?? Some of the guys are signing on the cheap.

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:16 pm EST

professa: welcome aboard, and thank you for the link to the stats...

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:06 pm EST

You all realize you need to win in the regular season to make the post season...and to win you need goals...and Nash in limited games in a clearly bad year led the rangers in goals. Right. So trade him after buying out the second (or was it 3rd) highest goal scorer in Richards.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:02 pm EST

mf: Vrbata would be ideal for us on the Brass/Zucc line and would even be an upgrade over Benny. He had 51 pts last year, same as the great Brad Richards, and he was playing with crap in PHX. However the $$$ is gonna be too much IMO. If Kulemin got 4+ from the fishstix after putting up 20 points last season, Vrbata has to be asking for at least 4.5/5. Won't fit under the cap for us unfortunately .

professa


Wed Jul 2 2014 5:15 pm EST

Montreal obviously looking for another RW in VRBATA... wonder what kind of #'$ he's looking for.... We should sign him with bonus incentives and get him off the market, then try to move Nash.... Wonder if Montreal will ever trade with the Rangers again.....

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 5:14 pm EST

Montreal obviously looking for another RW in VRBATA... wonder what kind of #'$ he's looking for.... We should sign him with bonus incentives and get him off the market, then try to move Nash.... Wonder if Montreal will ever trade with the Rangers again.....

mf


Wed Jul 2 2014 5:14 pm EST

On brad Richards I think if he was making 4.5-5 mil he wouldn't have been bought out and probably kept on for leadership but his cap hit was too high. I don't believe the guy dogged it for one second. I think father time has caught up with him and I don't mean so much that he cant play just so much of a major role. I think he's going to do well in Chicago and hope he does just to prove when used properly he's still damn good

York18


Wed Jul 2 2014 5:02 pm EST

Sorry Bob, wrong addressee. Meanr COBob...So Dan Boyle is following his fav band, Faith No More, around Europe. So thats what millionaires do-..

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:58 pm EST

TSN NHL Feed..... New: Flyers sign defenceman Schultz to one-year contract TSN NHL Feed ‏..... New: Sharks acquire McGinn from Flyers for third-rounder

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:54 pm EST

Yo RABID--------I have never called you out personally, and never did regarding CO MARKS' Richards comments. I honestly don't know where you are getting that from. I made an observation out of frustration about things deteriorating around here sometimes, but never called anyone out about it because I am not interested in doing so. I don't believe that Richards ever quit on the Rangers. Did he have problems? Sure. Who doesn't?

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:50 pm EST

Hospo, its posturing, tat all LOL. They're waiting doe these teams, SJ & maybe CAR, to come to their senses and realize they have players with NMCs who want to come here. BOB, I posted something longer but lost it. Its cool you stand by your guy. I likes the tone Richards set I'm the playoffs, for a young team that needed it. But so did a lot of other guys. And fact is NYR just paid Richards $27m to play against them. Again, not my fault.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:45 pm EST

Hey PROFESSA, great to have you here..Can only speak for myself,, I only know a little about CORSI and stuff but if you stick around, you'll have to educate me on the advanced stats ..!

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:34 pm EST

Bob, I never attacked Richards personally. I leave that to others, and fight AGAINST it. You seem anxious to paint me as a flamethrower, but if anyone bothered to notice, I only go into battle mode with one poster here. That said, you can't blame me when two separate experienced coaches send Richards, deep in the playoffs, to the 4th line and the pressbox. and please, this notion the NYR made it to 2-of-3 ECFs is somehow a testament to Richards leadership is the biggest joke. They made it in spite of him. Especally on the PP , where he was a one-man wrecking crew. At least I know when healthy, LeCavalier can pass to a man 10-ft away & stand on his fucking skates.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:27 pm EST

I was to a game in St.Johns between the ice caps and Hartford and the two players that stood out for Hartford were Chris McCarthy and Ryan Bourque.Big Mac did not impress.

newfie2014


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:22 pm EST

Did we sign this guy Luke Curadi ?

newfie2014


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:22 pm EST

Killer site btw, most intelligent Ranger discussion on the internet. Been reading since I was in 5th grade (in college now), glad I could finally register.

professa


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:22 pm EST

On a side note, don't know if any of you are into advanced hockey stats, but I thought I'd pass this site on: http://www.extraskater.com. Say what you will about advanced stats, but they're gonna be a huge part of the game in the next couple years (Already a big part of the game today in some respects).

professa


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:19 pm EST

Someone please explain to me why a 30 year old finesse center with second-line output and 19 hits on the year (a physicality race with Stepan) would be "perfect" for a team that needs a physical, first-line center?

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:16 pm EST

Per Creasy.... Habs latest offer for Radim Vrbata appears to be a 4 year deal worth $4.125M per season. Initial Habs offer was 3 years.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:08 pm EST

RHET - Yeah, that's what Gross has been tweeting (probably the orig. source)..I agree that re-signing the RFAs should be the priority now but haven't these guys ever heard of multi-tasking or working in parallel? No reason the 20 guys in the Front office can't be doing both..

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:04 pm EST

Per NHLRumorsDaily...... I was just told NYR are done for now (focus on RFAs) will revisit UFA market at a future time

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:02 pm EST

I am glad we didn't have the money to sign either guy. Stupid deals IMO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 4:00 pm EST

GRABs would have been perfect for this team but understand that there is zero money for it....Hoepfully there is a bargain (FA or trade) down the line and the Rangers aren't forced to settle for Miller or Lindberg in the middle..

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:58 pm EST

And Vinny has been a flat-out DOG for years. There is no comparison between the two. Sheesh.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:57 pm EST

Nothing wrong with being a loyal person. Richards gave it his all every minute in NY, though some very difficult times. he handled his exit with total class, even before the check cleared ;). Someone always gets dumped on. He was the whipping boy often. But I remember him scoring the winner in the Winter Classic in Philly, the tieing goal against the Capitals a couple years ago, the goal with less than one second remaining in Phoenix. He brought legitimacy to the team, who BTW performed a lot better once Callahan was gone and he was the "de-facto captain." He landed with an excellent team that has a chance at the cup. Good for him. I hope he does well.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:56 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun..... Isles sign Kulemin 4 yrs/$16.75 M and Grabovski 4 yrs / $20 M

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:56 pm EST

Good. I wanted neither, and maybe the isles/rangers games can be halfway interesting now

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:54 pm EST

And take intangibles out of it and BR still outplayed VL statistically.

ColoradoMark


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:52 pm EST

Per Arthur Staple .... Isles have signed F Nikolai Kulemin and C Mikhail Grabovski to 4-year contracts.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:52 pm EST

ISLES signed BOTH KULEMINEN and GRABOVSKI to 4 year deals....

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:52 pm EST

I have tried to wait and calm down before posting, waiting for RR to go a few days without shi--ing all over Brad Richards, and yet you find another way to slam him, having the audacity to say V Lecav is a "far better" player than Richards at this stage just pissed me off again. I get it, you hate Richards, but the disrespectful comments you have made about him are over the top. Yes, I have a personal bias about the guy, but he came to New York (for less than he was offered elsewhere- still over paid- but I guess you expected him to turn down the money!) and delivered as advertised. Yeah, he aged and his skill set eroded especially as the playoffs wore down, but he played an important part of getting the team to the Finals, and he was on a team that won 6 playoff rounds in three years. He more than paid for his contract by his playoff influence alone. I was going to ignore it, but I await your flame response as you enjoy that type of posting as demonstrated over the past few months. I apologize to everyone else for continuing to stick up for my guy, but I'm a loyal person and I know that he doesn't deserve (most of) the crap that has been said about him. I'm thankful that Brad was bought out because I just couldn't stand coming to the wall and reading this stuff.

ColoradoMark


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:35 pm EST

Penner is an absolute slug. I in no way would want him anywhere close to this team and that includes Hartford. There is a reason why he has bounced around as much as he has and why Washington scratched him repeatedly late in the year (during a playoff push) after trading for him at the deadline.

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:32 pm EST

Penner? 4th line only for no more than 1 or 2 years. I would take him in that role instead of Carcillo. The Rangers could use a big guy like him in the lineup. He could fill in on the 3rd line occasionally. 3rd line center is the bigger hole right now, IMO.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:27 pm EST

RF4L--Exactly. I wondered why I continue to get called on this concern. it would be just like the Rangers to miss the playoffs and win the lottery for Tampa Bay. Trading first round picks is one thing. Trading them for a 38 year old when the draft is very deep and includes 2 players that can be "franchise changers" is quite another. I said it since the St. Louis deal.............one of Henrik's knees gets wrecked and where are we? Not in the playoffs. We could not be in the playoffs with him the way this club is currently configured for next year. I don't want to take a completely pessimistic view and I enjoyed this years' run for sure, but don't say it can't happen. With Ovechkin, Corsby/Malkin, Taveras already in the conference, does anyone truly want Eichel or McDavid, or both in the conference, one of them on our dime? I think the Rangers need to find someone who will take Nash off their hands. Hard to fathom anyone doing so except maybe for RF4L's second favorite team, the Toronto Maple Loafs ;)

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:26 pm EST

professa - I think PENNER would be a good signing for the Rangers, but on that line? Nope. He'd be like an anchor tossed overboard on a speeding cigarette boat.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:24 pm EST

Bob - it's worth, it's pretty clear to me at least that it's a race to the bottom between Buffalo and Vancouver...Calgary, Ottawa and Nashville will take a stab at the McDavid sweepstakes, but that's a long shot, IMO. Best the Lightning are getting from us is a 15th overall, IMO. Unless we have a rash of injuries on our blueline(knock on wood).

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:23 pm EST

If you guys are balancing success against a less-than 20% chance of drafting 1st overall, then maybe your priorities are a little skewed. Getting to the SCF against the chance of a <20% chance to draft McDavid? I take the SCF every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 3:03 pm EST

SJSharks have signed John Scott to a 1 year, $700K deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:49 pm EST

Oh, and supposedly NYR reached out to Mike Santorelli, 6-0 center, 29, scored 10 goals last year for VC. Not sure if AV is familiar with him , if they crossed paths or not. But one thing not discussed has been AVs role in yesterday, in how it's maybe his turn to really shape the roster to his liking. he didn't really have that opportunity last year though he was hired in June, because he wasn't familiar with what we had here.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:48 pm EST

Bob: You finish out of the POs are you are in the lottery. It's that simple.

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:47 pm EST

Not sure why some continue to miss the fact that as of the latest CBA, all teams finishing out of the POs have a shot at landing the first overall pick. The last place team has a 25% chance and the 17th something like 0.5. Yeah, the odds are slight but the fact remains, you finish 17th overall you can land the first pick overall. And just to help prove TD's take on Jake Eichel is accurate, the NHL is now looking at making the positions 2 to 5 lottery-available, too, starting next June. Apparently, the governors agreed - now the GMs need to, too.

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:45 pm EST

How about a guy like Dustin Penner to play the wing with brass and zucc? Would be a lot similar to the Pouliot signing last summer. A big body who has shown the ability to score in the past. Low risk signing. Then resign carcillo and you're golden.

professa


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:44 pm EST

Nashville had deal for LeCavalier a few days ago but it fell through. They were willing to take 2 yrs of his cap hit but not all four. Flyers just paid Vinny $2M bonus yesterday. That should make him moderately more attractive to teams. But you call it what it is; the guy's been breaking down, he's no sure thing. If he's healthy on the other hand, he can still skate, can still score. Far better player than Richards at this stage. If they're eating max 50% salary he costs you about $2m a year, for 3 years you cant get hurt. he probably never makes year two, let alone year three. it's for this year, maybe just the first half, maybe some playofs. To my mind he's a part-timer at this point, but absolutely worth more than the dregs that are left. Main thing is you don't give up any young chips. And I don't for a minute think PHI-NY couldn't get together on a deal. They've done it before. Sather doesn't give a shit. We help them, they help us. And they cant do anything until they unload that contract. Only other center options besides a major trade would be a guy like legwand. But he's going to block Miller & Lindberg for at least 2 years, maybe more. So, no easy answers.... and no bones about it, always loved Vinny.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:34 pm EST

Sather passed on Olli Jokinen?

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:23 pm EST

MESS-meaning that I am hoping our pick does not end up in the lottery.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:07 pm EST

Grabovskis going next Hospo.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:07 pm EST

Somewhat true Bob. if things keep going like yesterday they might have to consider a Weekend at Bernie's strategy haha... But we'll find some help & our young guys are getting better.... this was some experience for them, its bound to pay dividends....

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:07 pm EST

Maybe most teams have already spent close to what they think they can or wan to spend this....Could still be some bargains..

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 2:05 pm EST

OLLI Jokinen to the PREDS for 1 year at 2.5 mill....Was just going to comment on the quietness out in UFA land

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 1:56 pm EST

Bob you mean you hope were not deal last this coming season, which is where we'd practically have to be in order to draft McDavid. We have to be the only fan board outside of the worst five teams even talking about McDavid. I don't know how the misunderstanding that we ever had a chance of drafting McDavid started, but it has been the most tenacious and long-lasting misunderstandings.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 1:47 pm EST

NICK--I have to agree. they caught lightning in a bottle this year. Came together after Mrs, St. Louis passed away. They overachieved. No guarantee that everything falls the way it did this year. I will give them that they were near the top of the league for the entire second half of the season. I will be surprised if they get to the conference finals again. Actually, I just hope they get to the playoffs so the pick we sent to Tampa does not end up sending McDavid to Tampa.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:57 pm EST

Rhet: Yeah that's someone guessing at what they will get. Yesterday a bunch of people went nuts because someone quoted an unnamed source from an overseas newspaper saying its what Zucc was asking for...like currently asking for. The guesses if contract values is just that, and no one really takes much out of that, but when people say a player is asking for or being offered such and such I don't really listen until its sourced OR if its from one of the people who don't toss out big rumors for fun.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:38 pm EST

WILD... I'm not sure what you're really talking about. That source does have a name and it's Larry or Brooksie. Brooks had a column weeks ago on what each RFA would probably get based on comparables to other like players. I checked them out and he is pretty much on the money. Zuc has been quoted of late as saying that he would be willing to take less with a longer term so the team can remain competitive(I'm hoping he's a man of his word).... http://nypost.com/2014/06/15/breaking-down-the-rangers-offseason-options/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:38 pm EST

Canes still looking for a D. Need to trim salary, don't think they want to part with Jordan. He's under affordable contract long-term. They know they're losing Eric.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:27 pm EST

And, I also realize that the Rangers aren't alone in this situation but no sense in bitching about them, let their fans do it..:)..Life with the Cap

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:27 pm EST

Opps..MSL takes up $5,600,000 of that....now down to just over $13,000,000 for 11 players, including 3 looking for raises.

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:25 pm EST

What if somehow Sather was able to pry both Staals from the Canes? That's a $14,500,000 contract hit, meaning for 4 players (them plus Nash and the King) nearly 1/2 the cap is eaten up. Then add in nearly $19,000,000 for your top 4 d-men ad you're up to $50,000,000. Guess $19,000,000 isn't enough for 1 backup goalie, bottom D pairing and 9 forwards. LOL...oh well, nice try!

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:24 pm EST

RHET - Yeah, some of us have brains and do realize things like that...And we realize the position SATHER has put the club in where it doesn't have money to keep Succesful top-9 and role players or fill the existing or resulting holes and might ensure that we have to hand top 12 forward spots to kids that aren't ready because he hasn't drafted well,.....OTOH, I'm hoping that Sather somehow finds a way out of the mess and creatively finds a solution...and that somebody like JT MILLER can miracoulosly put it all together this preseason

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:22 pm EST

Hahaha....pretty funny. Add McD & yeah, thats it. Plus two more guys, McIlrath & Lindberg. Whether midseason or to start. Gord Clark says theyre just about there. Thats who I listen to.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:20 pm EST

ZUCC: I think everyone needs to step back with Zucc. It has been talked about as fact that he is looking for 4-5 mil per. That rumor came during the rush of news yesterday. I looked at who tweeted it...it was a guy with (when I looked) like 3000 followers, none of the big hitters from TSN or anything that I could find, who was reporting what was written in a Norwegian newspaper. That newspaper had an unnamed source. Now, if it was Zucc or his agent I would be thinking it a fact...but an unnamed source in a foreign newspaper reported by a guy I have never seen report a single rumor before yesterday...makes me wonder how true it is. Now it may be 100% correct...lets not forget though, rumors were that Brian Boyle had multiple 5year offers....did he really turn all of those down for the TBL offer? Maybe...but rumors have a way of cropping up from nothing. Zucc said he was willing to take less, his agent said he was going for a fair market deal before that, I don't think Zucc or his agent think 4-5 for 5 years for him is fair market or less. So maybe his first offer to the Rangers was 4-5 over 5 years, and the Rangers was probably 1.5-2 over 2 years or something, neither side expects their offer to be taken, so its just the starting point.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:19 pm EST

Nick: I think the young core is Staal, McD, Stepan, Kreider, Zuke, Hags and Brassard. The King, too, obviously, but at 32 he's not so young anymore. It's decent but doesn't exactly ring of cup contention. You're right in that 2 mercenaries - Nash and MSL - must produce if this team has any chance at another deep PO run. A third new mercenary - Dan Boyle - must also produce. Would you do say Stepan and JT Miller for E Staal, assuming some of Staal's salary was retained by the Canes AND if as part of the deal, Staal agrees to a contract extension?

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:13 pm EST

I forgot Kreider. But I stand by my rampant pessimism ...

Nick


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:12 pm EST

RR: What 'young core'? If Nash and MSL don't score, this team misses the POs. McD yes; Stepan is a No. 2 center at best; Zuke's pretty good; Brass is okay; Hags the same. This is no 'core.' I realize there is more to come this summer -- there HAS to be -- but this squad is the same as they've been since 2005: scuffling in and hoping to get hot. Beats pre-2005 for sure but still.

Nick


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:06 pm EST

Yeah Hospo, well if we gad Ho-Sang on his ELC wed save about $2m versus what itll take to ink Radim Vrbata, if theyre even in on him. And Sang is about 3 times the sniper. Im just ahead of curve & freak out in advance LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:04 pm EST

You guys do realize that we couldn't afford to bring back two of the players that left, let alone all three. Brassard and Zuccarello are due for raises this season, both will cost the team between $8-9 Mil combined(hopefully Zuc will take less like he has said). Kreider will probably make between $2.1-2.5 Million per and John Moore will probably get between $1.3 and $1.5 Million per. Last season Brassard made $3.2 Mil, Zucc $1.15 Mil, Kreider $1.325 Mil and J. Moore $965 K. That's where all of our money has gone. I'm guessing that Carcillo wont be back with the signing of Glass, so that would leave us with approx. $2 Mil for another forward. Maybe we can get a center like Grabovsky to take an incentive laden deal. We shall see. Anyway, it looks like at least 2 young players will probably make the team this coming season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:00 pm EST

Point is you cant replace 3 major contributors in a few hours, in a marketplace going bonkers. Theyre lucky they filled one hole. BUFF offered Boyle a blank check cause they need to hit the floor, TOR offered more term & $. Maybe they hot a headstart on replacing Dorsett if not Boyle. Theyll get a wing, get a center. Plenty of kids to integrate or trade. Theyll be ok, its a long year & long road back. It is frustrating to look at budget, but we werent paying those guys what they now earn. And Richards money goes towars raises. Theyll find a way.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:58 am EST

downie -1yr 1M -pretty cheap..guy must have some baggage..

jim9k26


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:50 am EST

RABID - I'm sorry, But I'm having a hard time believing that the person who made RABID RANGERS last post is the same one that had the Hop-Sing Meltdown.....Just kidding with ya RABID...But, honestly, it's justifiable to be concenned about where the team stands now based on the empty spots and all of Sather's whining about lack of money and all the RFAs...OTOH, there is still a lot of time left and Sather has been know to pull those rabbits out of his arse....Interesting days...and interesting discussions...

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:47 am EST

Downie a Penguin

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:45 am EST

RR: Yep Zubov left like 20 years ago; isn't that when Boyle broke into the NHL!? ;^)

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:44 am EST

2nd and 4th the two years prior to that. so- 2013-14: 20th, 2012-13: 7th, 2011-12: 2nd, 2010-11: 2nd, 2009-10: 4th.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:41 am EST

2nd the season before that.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:41 am EST

SJ 20th this season in PP%, 7th last season.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:41 am EST

Jeez, the uptightnes level is almost off the charts here. Chill. Age not withstanding, we awoke this morning with the best righty point man weve had since Zubov, which is almost 20 years ago. And Boyles got edge to his game. So job one is done. Not perfect but not bad. The 3 guys we lost, and I wanted them all back, but all 3 didnt total 20 goals last year. Glass had more hits & blocks than Boyle, and AV said hes much improved from when he had him. The staff was unanimous on signing him Have some faith, this braintrust fared quite well last year. Sather isnt going to let his Cup finals team be ravaged, and the real core is still young & VERY good. Givem some time to set up the next moves.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:31 am EST

RF73 - HARTSY!!! The glue holding the Flyers together! LOL

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:29 am EST

Power play team stats last season: NYR 15th at 18.18 percent. Sharks 20th at 17.18 percent. But D-Boyle has the rep as a QB and reps, good and bad, die hard. Of course he had to deal with stiffs like Pavelski, Thornton and Couture up front. Christ.

Nick


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:29 am EST

Boyle's PP points last season more than Niskanen, Chara, Doughty, Fowler, Franson, Suter, Green, Streit, Goligoski, Hedman, Gonchar, Ehrhoff, Schultz, Campbell….and McDonaugh

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:29 am EST

Per Brad Richards on Twitter.... I can't thank the @NYRangers, their fans and NYC enough for an amazing experience. Tough to not finish the job but it was a great ride

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:29 am EST

Lot's of great things happening here in Flyer land...Here's an example...Flyers center and captain Claude Giroux reportedly spent Tuesday night in a police cell in Ottawa after he was arrested for “repeatedly grabbing the buttocks of a male police officer.” According to a report by the Ottawa Sun published Wednesday morning, Giroux was at a bar in Ottawa’s Byward Market shopping district with friends to celebrate Canada Day. The Sun’s story stated that “alcohol was believed to have been involved” in the incident. A spokesperson for the Ottawa police department told Philly.com that because of Canadian laws, the department could not make an official confirmation of a reported arrest unless the person is charged. But the spokesperson added that there will be no charges filed. That offered at least an implicit acknowledgment that the department was aware of the report and the buzz it has created. Flyers general manager Ron Hextall issued a statement Wednesday noting that the team is "aware of reports" of Giroux's arrest....I guess he's having a HARD time adjusting to life after Hartnell?

RF73


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:25 am EST

Dan Boyle in the top 15 defenders last season for PP points. Like I posted earlier, Glass FIFTH among all forwards in hits last season, 30th in blocked shots.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:24 am EST

Cap stuff bores me to death; still it's the bottom line. How does the cap go up; we jettison Richards, lose B-Boyle and Bennie, and still have no money? Dorsett-Glass is a wash, as is Strals-DBoyle. We are okay on D but need three forwards replaced, and have only our sad group of 'prospects' to do it? This is a smaller version of the Hawks after 2010 with one huge exception, if you can spot it. :-) Man that group of 12 forwards is gonna have us looking up at the Sabres and Islanders. When you pay a small group all your dollars -- Hank, Nasher the Invisible Man, MSL and a few others -- you need to have drafted well to fill. With our lack of picks and track record, I'm seeing a replay of 1998-2005 coming up fast. A couple more years of fake contention and then the cliff.

Nick


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:19 am EST

Wyshinsky is not impressed with yesterday's developments: What they got back was, uhh, iffy. I don't know how everyone else feels about Dan Boyle but if he can't make things work on a team with the Sharks' power play — and he really couldn't — then how is it going to go in New York? And how do you give Tanner Glass three years and $4.35 million? Another candidate for worst contract of the day. Just mystifying. Dominic Moore's deal is okay for what it provides, I guess. But overall, this team seems poised to take a serious step back. They're the 2010 Flyers of 2014. Made it to the Cup Final, now they're an easy out in the first few rounds.

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:18 am EST

Who said they have? I'm not disagreeing with anything you just said, about IDEALLY what the Rangers SHOULD do.....what they WILL do is another story...I'm not so sure they will go after a true #1 C, but I won't mind if they do.. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with three #2 center types, two already here

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:12 am EST

Brass and Step haven't ever exhibited first round output either. While it is still possible that Step could mature into a first line center, he had some great wingers last season and didn't make the jump. I think We have to be happy with Brass being in the No. 2,3 C range. Since we don't have a first-line center in Step or Brass, the C we acquire should ideally be capable of that role.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:08 am EST

As I said, "A shame we don't have the money".....Wasn't considering him for first line C..I think the Rangers are going with Stepp and Brassard for that.......GRABOVSKI would be a perfect fit in Richard's most recent spot....But, I also agree that a trade is a more likely way to fill the spots, although they may choose to fill the Wing spot that way and not the Center opening...We'll see

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:03 am EST

Giroux, you can't make this story up. So he loves playing with man's ass. Priceless. What did Arnold called them? Girly-man? Just like character from "Cruel Intentions", he loved to body check players on and off-the ice. G-man. You go girl!!!

andrei


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:03 am EST

Grabovski would solidify the C position, but doesn't have, hasn't had first-line output. That, and I doubt he'd come cheap at this point. I think Ribiero would be an okay way to go if via FA, but I think our best bet at this point is via trade. Getting someone like Staal or Thornton would be conditional on us moving in that deal or one immediately preceding, one Rick Nash

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 11:02 am EST

OLA - Thanks...Whoever the Rangers use in that last C spot, FO ability is needed ..Losing 53-55% of the draws (except for Moore) will only lead to less possession and squandered points which could be important

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:58 am EST

Lindberg was top 3 in FOs in the SHL, but the rules are a bit diffrent here (you can't kick the puck). He wasn't that strong in the AHL, but down the road he should become good on FOs in NA too.

Ola


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:58 am EST

One Man's (Lyle RIcahrdson/Spectors) take on the best available UFA at every position...http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2116517-nhl-free-agency-2014-ranking-the-best-players-left-at-every-position/page/6..........A shame we don't have the money because the more I look into him, GRABOVSKI is the perfect fit for this current Ranger team and what they want to do...Could see him, St. Louis and Hags buzzing..Oh well, moot...

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:57 am EST

rangerfan: Same as last year: Derek Stepan....

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:57 am EST

Gotta love those Flyers huh! LOL!

Bob


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:57 am EST

Then not doing much. The other 2 3rd rounders from last year apparently are, however.

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:57 am EST

So ummm.. who's our number 1 center now?

rangerfan2000


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:53 am EST

DuClair is in camp.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:47 am EST

Ha..... unreal; Giroux is going to have to live with that one for a while! LOL

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:45 am EST

Haven't seen Duclair's name mentioned - is he in camp or still concussed If it's the latter, not good...

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:39 am EST

From TSN.ca According to a report from The Ottawa Sun, Philadelphia Flyers star Claude Giroux was arrested in Ottawa on Tuesday night. Giroux was reportedly arrested for an incident involving a police officer in which he repeatedly grabbed the buttocks of a male police officer. Ottawa Police have not commented on the incident and The Sun reports Giroux will be released without any criminal charges. "We are aware of the reports surrounding Claude Giroux," said Flyers GM Ron Hextall in a statement on Wednesday. "Until we have more information we will withhold making any further comment." The two-time All-Star had 28 goals and 86 points for the Flyers last season.

tlats


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:38 am EST

DOH! More FlyerLand trouble! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2117067-claude-giroux-arrested-latest-details-and-updates?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nhl

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:28 am EST

For TDCHI and other prospect hounds, Leslie Tref giving a running commentary on the Ranger Rookie Thing going on right now at https://twitter.com/HFNYRangers...probably has a blog somewhere too..

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:22 am EST

Ranger47 _ if the Rangers stick to what they are saying now, and depending on RFA negotiations, I can see up to 3 yutes in the top 12 forwards (we know the three)...Don't like it, but If management can't afford anybody else or wants them to make the team, they will....Where they might be at, say, GAME 20-30 is the part of the story that really matters..I have severe doubts but will also hope for the best..

Hospo


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:15 am EST

While I'm all for letting some of the kids finally make the jump to the NHL,even of they do my concern is our lack of depth behind them in the event of injury. Guess Sather will try to decide if the kids are ready and some possible backups need to be added to the AHL, or whether he needs to give the kids another year and get vet starters added to the NHL squad. IMHO I think we will see at least 2 kids start this year and 2 more called up during the season as needed.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:14 am EST

imagine a future defense pairing of dylan mcilrath and luke curadi . opponents would be afraid to cross the blueline

docjay


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:13 am EST

is: He has been VERY up front saying if the Wings don't want him back he is done.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 2 2014 10:08 am EST

i'd like to see alfredson picked up at a veterans contract. he would fit in good with brassard an zucc. this way no need to rush some of the kids or you could use a couple as trade chips. I think he fits in good with the other swedes as well.

KIS


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:54 am EST

Wonder if the Rangers are one of 5 or 6 teams talking with Petri Kontiola. There is some risk of course, but with a tight cap and a need, this guy may be worth a shot, worst that happens is he gets sent down or shipped out...of course if he doesn't work out it could create problems down the middle, but you have to wonder if the Rangers are interested.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:20 am EST

the new ferraros

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:20 am EST

bourque had better stay with his brother in hartford

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:19 am EST

NJ getting both Cam and Havlat really helped themselves

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:18 am EST

our smurfs are our best players. Cammelleri is a pure offensive threat but I don't think we needed him. Not sure what we saw in bourque

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:13 am EST

Wouldn't mind so much they signed 5-8 Chris Bourque, Ryan's brother, except they also apparently made an offer to 5-8 Mike Cammaleri yesterday. How many frickin smurfs already? Jeez Louise! Thankfully Devs outbid us. And HIPCHECK, how right you are.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 9:02 am EST

Here's Curadi fighting a legitimate goon who is actually bigger than he is. Fought the guy well and landed some bombs. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkvbwo8a8Zc

JFC31


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:55 am EST

Td -- I think he was involved in a dust-up just prior to that and got tossed & suspended a couple of games. He's not a goon, but he will stand up for team mates and perform payback when needed. Here's another short clip: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PulRIvZfChQ

JFC31


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:52 am EST

TD: I know you're likely to disagree but I gotta say in the brief time I saw Fast as a Ranger I wasn't impressed. That said, I'm by no means writing him of; instead, given the hype and the comparisons to Hagelin I kept reading, I was expecting more. Hagelin impressed from the first time I saw him as a Ranger, using his speed to his advantage. Fast didn't look 1/2 as quick as Hagelin. Hopefully, it's rookie jetters.

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:39 am EST

RF4L - I think it's a real mistake to start LINDBERG in the NHL...That said, Messier11 did post a line that is very intriguing to me. Get him with FAST and HAGELIN...they'd likely get the tar beat out of them by a team that could catch them...but Fast and Lindberg work real well together. I don't recall them being on a line consistently, but I do remember them getting special teams time together and being very effective.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:28 am EST

I'm saying this without seeing him play, but to me Lindberg as the starting 3rd line center and cup contender seems like an oxymoron.

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:27 am EST

JFC - That's awesome man! Curadi was one of four players handed DQs in an ugly fracas that broke out against Union at the Mayor's Cup last winter. Stirred up big news in these parts because it was really the one very minor blemish on Union's killer championship season...Union's coach even got in on the scrap...got suspended for a while...Now are you ready for the weird stuff? The six degrees of seperation? Who is Union's coach? Rick BENNETT, former Ranger prospect from the 1990s(sick player too and just an awesome guy)...who was he fighting with? Ryan HAGGERTY...who was one of the first players to get involved in the scrap? Mat BODIE...also on that RPI team with Hags and Curadi(who I confess, I know very little about) was Matt NEAL, who also happens to be in camp with those three...and...Colin STEVENS, Union's losing goalie of that Mayor's Cup game...he'd go on to finish the season 15-1-1 after that loss...and of course, undefeated in the tournament and frozen four...you could say that loss was a motivator...anyway, here's the scrap. I couldn't find Curadi, but Haggerty is #39. You'll see him jawing at Bennett toward the end of the scrap...and Bodie, you can see him in garnet and white...he's one of the first to trigger the whole thing with a nasty crosscheck...side note on Bodie: At 165 soaking wet, he shouldn't be fighting anyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-AzBqb1h1g

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:22 am EST

IMHO Lindberg should start the year in Hartford. If there is a need to fill in a C spot on the 3rd of 4th line call him up, let him get a game or two while a player gets over an injury, than send him back to work on his weak points. If he forces the team to keep him in the lineup than that is great, and they can trade a center for someone else, or picks or whatever. But going in with him penciled in for a 3rd or 4th line role could backfire and hurt not only the team but him as a player.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:06 am EST

PatrickDiv - Would LOVE to get either one of those guys...CLIFFORD especially...NOLAN would suffice. I bet the latter could be coaxed with a mid-round pick...Clifford, I think they'd ask for something more substantial. I'll throw another name out there: Dwight KING. He's and RFA...still unsigned...Not sure the Rangers could afford to pay him what he's owed...but he's another I'd take readily.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:03 am EST

sportyplaya1188 - SHARP, I would think, would be the guy to go...the Hawks are $2 mill-plus underwater in the cap...The key, though, is that the Hawks are absolutely LOADED with prospects...the fruit is literally falling off the tree(see: all their trades to Florida last season). They could shed any number of ancillary players and still have no problem finishing among the top four or five in the NHL...so they could very well keep Sharpie. He had a very good season last year and is the type of player you want in the lineup in case one of your big guns goes down...I could see them getting rid of VERSTEEG and say someone like ROZSIVAL to get under the cap and then promoting any number of solid players they have in Rockford. They have this kid Clendining who ripped up the A last year...Kevin Hayes, a kid who scored 60 points in the NCAA with Johnny Hockey last year...Marc McNeil, a guy I wanted the Rangers to take in the first a few years back, is probably ready too....Chicago literally has no shortage of options...If there was a team in the West I'd pick right now, it's them. The only way I see them trading Sharp is if their partner is willing to move a very alluring combo of picks and prospects...it's the Hawks' MO pretty much...as soon as they see a guy is expendable, they move him for something that will help them in the future...I simply don't see the Rangers putting together that kind of package...maybe SKJEI, DUCLAIR and a second rounder or something...but then you have the Rangers needing to clear cap space..Longwinded way of saying it won't happen with us.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 8:00 am EST

This morning I will reverse myself on the Glass signing. Even though he only played 8:00 ATOI against us in the playoffs, he was more like 11:00 ATOI in the reg season. Last season, he was FIFTH in the league among forwards in hits (Boyle was 48th), was 30th among forwards in blocked shots (Boyle, 40th). Plus he wins fights that Boyle would never dream of engaging in. What we lose, is a face-off specialist. Moore was better than Boyle in that regard this season. For now, I see our only gap as first-line center.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:56 am EST

One youngin' who I think might be a good fit playing with Zucc & Brass is Jesper Fast. He's vey so.id on his skates, deceptively strong and well, um....fast! His career experience makes him very familiar with the creative style those 2 play and I think there's a chance he could slot in there quite nicely. I think,those are the kinds of possibilities that might make Sather hold off until late in training camp to make a deal to fill that spot. Center is another story, though Sather might do the same thing to see if Miller can step up. I just think,that if a deal gets made this summer, it's more likely for a C than a W.

JFC31


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:48 am EST

Sporty -- yep, that be him. TD -- I know Boyle is older now, but one of his strengths has always been moving the puck, getting through the neutral zone.i think that ability is as much a product of good instincts, seeing the ice well and making the right decisions as it is speed. On the PP, we'd lose so much O zone possession time because we just couldn't gain the zone cleanly. I think he knows how to do that well and it's going to result in a much better PP.

JFC31


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:45 am EST

Hospo - If I remember correctly, LINDBERG is pretty good in the faceoff circle. That doesn't change the fact that he's not ready for primetime, IMO. He had a good season in the A, but if you're of the RF4L mind that you don't rush prospects, he's certainly a guy who would be better fit building on his successes rather than being forced into a position where he's simply not ready to play. Unless, of course, we're talking about moving him into the fourth line center's spot and letting Dom Moore center third line...I don't think that's a good idea either, but Lindberg could pivot the fourth line well. He's very sound defensively.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:35 am EST

TradeStar - My only rational on GLASS v. DORSETT is that Glass is larger and they figured they'd need to get someone to fill in for the lack of size coming with Boyle's departure. Outside of that, I'm with you.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:33 am EST

Rhet0ric - "Playing with Dan Boyle, he can get back to being that player. IMO, when he is playing to his strengths, instead of covering for Anton Stralman's weaknesses it only makes us a better team." Agree 100 percent with the second half...I think Tampa is going to get a rude awakening on that end...but the question is, how good defensively is Boyle? Didn't the Sharks cut him loose in part to become quicker? My dread here is that Boyle slows down that pairing and essentially turns into a special teams guy/third pairing for $4.5 million.

tdchi


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:15 am EST

I don't see how the Rangers can fit E Staal's ridiculous salary ($8,500,000) under their cap unless the Canes eat like at least 1/4 and perhaps a 1/3 of it. And then there's the problem with tenure - he's got 1 year left and voila UFA. If you trade for him, you don't give up a lot (relatively speaking of course). So, using the Spezza deal as an example, he'd cost something like a 2nd rounder, Miller, Tambellini and Ryan Graves). If so, maybe...

RF4L


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:15 am EST

JFC - Im assuming your son's friend is Curadi? Kid looks like a monster. Definitely would be interested in him coming up to the bigs. It's about time we had someone developing that could scare the sh*t out of Chara

sportyplaya1188


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:08 am EST

JFC: Holy crap!!! That is awesome for the kid! He must be absolutely pumped! Wish him all the best- keep us posted on any inside perspectives... A buddy of mine who lives out in LA was conveying the talk radio chatter about how they are totally up against the cap and needing a bit of room. Does anyone see any remote possibility that we could pry Kyle Clifford or Jordan Nolan away from them? Clifford is a cap hit of approx $1M and would bring a bunch of what we lost and then some to our group. Wondering what day 2 will bring...

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 2 2014 7:03 am EST

PatrickDiv -- I know someone whose son played with Haggerty on RPI....says he is a quality/character kid whose game is NHL-ready. Biggest asset is his shot/release that he let's go coming down the wing and from the slot. Will be curious to see what he brings to the table...Sather & Co. Must have seen something big in this kid's ability to give him the deal he did. BTW, my friend's son is in the Rangers development camp...defenseman, 6'5", 265 lbs!! LOL! He's a beast! Going back for senior year at RPI and then will test the waters so to speak.

JFC31


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:41 am EST

Anyone think the college kid Haggerty can make a push to fill puliots spot? Have no idea of what his game is like but folks have written a lot about his release and shooting ability. Chicago is up against it cap wise and will need to do something ahead of the big two re-upping...

PatrickDiv


Wed Jul 2 2014 6:27 am EST

Good morning all - just finished reading a Blackhawks blog post (On hockeybuzz so take it with a grain of salt) about B-Rich. Jaeckel said that Hawks personnel sources made comment that Richards was worth a shot in a secondary role because he may have gotten stressed with the big contract expectations. There was also a comment about Richards bringing something to the game being a point man on the PP " (au revoir, Monsieur Sharp?)". I would be totally ok with trading for Sharp. Currently, the hawks are very close to the cap ceiling and will probably need to make some moves to not only fit Richards but also if they want to make another move at some point......So what does it take to pry Sharp away? is there anyone else on that team (aside from Kane and Toews) that is worth a shot? Someone get Slats on the line and get something done!!!!

sportyplaya1188


Wed Jul 2 2014 5:47 am EST

Hip- You could be right. But, like I said before last season too, we may not be great but neither are Chi, Bos, Pitt, LAK and co. Far from all teams compete for UFAs and so forth. Others have self imposed caps (STL is one example, right?).

Ola


Wed Jul 2 2014 5:11 am EST

You're crazy if you don't realize every single team in the league is "forced" to insert & really use some unproven (possibly not quite ready) youth into their everyday lineup. I love when a young'n gets an opportunity & then surprises in a positive way. I have major confidence in MILLER, FAST, MCILLRATH, etc.. Look, let's be real... this past season was a special treat. It ain't happening like that again. That was as close as LUNDQVIST will probably ever get to The CUP in a NYR uniform. I haven't given up hope, just tempered expectations. The Team that surprised everyone, but also which deserved better is already long gone, the personnel & chemistry is already completely different. We still have a lot of great positives & plenty to be confident in, but this idea that we need to construct a perfectly well balanced team on July 1st is just an emotional response & very unrealistic.

hipcheck


Wed Jul 2 2014 1:58 am EST

Rabid.... You're idea is brilliant, except for the following reasons: 1-We can not afford Lecavalier's cap hit ($4.5 Mil is just too much for us); 2-The Flyers will never make a trade with the Rangers; 3-The Rangers will not be helping the Flyers get out of cap hell; 4-Lecavalier was a huge disappointment in his first season with the Flyers as he only managed to muster 37 points in 69 games, with a minus-16 rating. Also, we really can't afford to sign more than one free agent which is why I suggested an incentive laden deal to Alfredsson.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 2 2014 1:06 am EST

My idea is so crazy it makes sense! Its the 04 TB connection, Sather can't get enough LOL. But I'd rather keep the 3-4 prospects/picks it'd take to land Staal, if it didn't cost Brassard ( out of the question IMO), and take a flier on VL. You bring in Thornton or Staal, the middle is locked the next 2 years minimum. Miller, Lindberg they never get a chance.and hey, some even wanted Richards back. Well, here's the next best thing. In fact, LeCavalier was always better IMO. Might even get away spotting him at wing if needed; he can still shoot it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:42 am EST

I've just never been excited about Eric Staal as a player. Maybe because I've never seen him really play nasty, except when he decided to deck his own brother and almost end his career. Genius. But I'll throw out this far cheaper idea for center depth which will be almost universally panned, for a specific reason.If you think a kid like Lindberg needs another 40 games in Htfd, then the perfect guy might be Vinny Lecavalier- Big, Cup experience, scored 20 goals last year, on his way out of Philly, they gave his agent permission to find a trade, but here's the best part LOL.He only plays about half the games!!!!! Hes always hurt!! HA! so you spot him until Lindberg gets his feet wet, then phase Vinny out! Unless he's playing great, then you slide Lindberg back, shift Moore to wing and press box HOFer Taylor Glass. Hey, Comcast has loads of dough & Flyers are capped out.It'd cost about $2m a year, but you probably get him for a few mid round picks.... And youd get AV another nice French Canadian boy to work with.He'll be bored without Puliot here breaking balls. I'm half-kidding, but that's because only the powers that be know the real prices and options. One drawback is Vinny wasnt good in the circle, but then he had a bad back on top of everything else, broken jaw, ankle, etc. He really had a miserable experience this year. But I'd absolutely look at Vinny as a 3rd line C before I considered a dreg like Ribiero. That could work like a charm. And I know Sather really liked him at one time, though that was about ten years ago ha. I'd also like to spend the bigger remaining bucks on a real good sniper for the Top 2 lines. Ok, go ahead, kill me ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:36 am EST

Oh ye of little faith. At this time last season we thought the same of the very forwards we've lost, and look what happened.

Messier11


Wed Jul 2 2014 12:21 am EST

Mess 11: Good thing we have till October. That forward roster misses the playoffs. My God.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:41 pm EST

I think that, if Miller does not work out they can always go find someone. What I am curious about is the possibility of trades. Is Erik Staal really available? Nash would have to go to bring him in due to the salary. Not really interested in any of the UFA centers, with the possible exception being Grabovsky. I was very interested in Perrault.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:36 pm EST

Grabovski: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4874

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:35 pm EST

If we started today, Id ice Kreider/Stepan/MSL, Miller/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Lindberg/Fast, Glass/Moore/Nash.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:35 pm EST

mf - or the 2nd line wing situation! :)

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:33 pm EST

He will either be third line C or 4th, 2nd line LW. It depends mostly on who else is coming in. A UFA/trade? or Fast/Lindberg

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:33 pm EST

I have been against GRABOVSKY as a cente option but after reading the following at SCORE perhaps I should change my tune about him playing with St. Louis and Hags IF THEY GO EXTERNAL...."Grabovski scored 12 goals and added 22 assists in 58 games with the Washington Capitals this past season, while winning 54 percent of his faceoff attempts and ranking first on the team among all forwards with a 51 percent Corsi rating at even strength"..Just sayin.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:32 pm EST

Sather may have to accept JTMiller or Fast playing wing with Brassard / MZA......... Fast has good legs, finishes his checks, and is a RHS.... I'd try MZA (LW) / Brassard / Fast (RW) & see if they're comfortable..... Doesn't solve the center situation

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:31 pm EST

injuries created a slot for Miller in the playoffs, one Sather said he would've kept if he hadn't of separated his shoulder. Miller will earn a spot out of camp.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:26 pm EST

BOB - I whip JT because I think people are rushing him when, IMO, he's not ready for consistent play...I love all of his physical attibutes and when he puts that together with the mental aspects, we have ourselves a hockey player!!.....MF - I wouldn't go with Lindberg or Miller either, and I think Legwand is a very good choice, but it sounds like Sather wants to fill the 3rd C spot internally..we'll see

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:21 pm EST

HOSPO---Hey, we are all entitled to our opinions. Miller is your latest whipping boy up here. Mine is Nash. The Super Genius Sather himself said that Miller would have been in during the finals if not for a separated shoulder. Apparently, he has not given up on Miller and is counting on him to some degree, or he is going to trade him and is trying to build up his value. Miller had good runs at the WJC 2 years ago and a good run in Hartford since. He also found a way to piss off the coach. Will he make it? I don't know but given his path, this year is the year to find out.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:20 pm EST

Cant see lining JT Miller or Limberg with MSL..... The Hockey News says Legwand is good on face-offs...http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?1615

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:16 pm EST

OK......Question about Lindberger, how good of a FO guy is he.?..Dom Moore is of course good but right now our top two centers had FO% of 44-48% last year...whoever that 3rd guy is needs to have the ability, otherwise points get thrown away

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:15 pm EST

Canes do have a few more high priced guys.hell, Jordan Stall is owed another $42m, he's already earned $30m, and has never accomplished much of anything. Unreal. Funny thing is some of these owners would completely clean house but cap floor prevents them, they must spend. Gionta got a sweetheart deal today in Buffalo.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:03 pm EST

Ive taken pains to attribute when notable. Otherwise I attach "rumor monger" to denote a lesser source. I consider Eklund to be a low-level but popular rumor monger.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:00 pm EST

Staal's name has been out there - published - for quite some time. Zippay & Brooks both mentioned him again recently. But that stuff, depends who & what you choose to believe. I start by following the $ almost always. 8.5m, and that franchise is nearing Mickey Mouse territory. They're dying to dump Cam Ward at over $6m, and he, Staal, and Semin are the last big ticket items left. They fired Rutherford , and Ron Francis is going to do the cleanup - no matter what he says publicly. The key is a NTC, and Staal has it. Today showed again with Spezza guys are exorcizing their right to control their destiny. Spezza was dealt to Nashville the other day & rejected, today he's a Dallas Star.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:00 pm EST

As they should, I never heard of anybody on here claming to have sources..Nor do I see any evidence of any

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:52 pm EST

They seem to have at least a little more credibility than people on here. Thats not saying much.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:50 pm EST

These guys twittering about Staal and Ott, do they have any credibility or just fans like us?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:48 pm EST

BOB - Totally doubt MILLER will fill anything...I think he has an uphill battle to earn a spot on the team,..If anything, Lindberger is smarter and probably a better fit for St. Louis and Hags...Not that I think he's ready

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:45 pm EST

RHET - Nick already chastised me for mentioning ALFERDSSON this afternoon!...RABID - Not everybody has to have jets..smarts and postioning make up for a lot..Not saying he is, but every team can use a little asshole

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:41 pm EST

Avs landed Iginla today; think their happy with their vet/scorer/leader situation. They're building a real nice team, getting closer.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:38 pm EST

I hoppe Sather is keeping an ear to the ground with Ryan O'Reilly.... Naturally, Nash would have to go.

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:36 pm EST

E.Staal would be nice -would love to see him here, competes extremely hard, good enough wheels, and good size down the middle Rangers can clearly use.

jim9k26


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:29 pm EST

Seems like a good guess, Mess. Ward didn't ink today, did he? Lotta guys still out there, gotta read up. Not even sure where everyone landed, it was such a burst of activity. Good news is except for TB, don't think anyone in conference improved dramatically. Caps helped their D, but still aren't very good.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:28 pm EST

a few twitter rumor mongers also saying we are in heavily on Eric Staal. That'd be my choice. Hopefully they take Tanner Glass as part of the return

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:26 pm EST

I think the Rangers will find a reclamation project somewhere to fill one of the holes (with Brass and Zucc). Miller fills the other (with Hags and St. Louis). Trades are always a possibility. Sather has 5 more future #1 picks this decade to trade. Perhaps they could do a deal with Toronto for Lupul. They could trade McIlrath and get something decent back for him. Skjei does not appear to want to turn pro which lessens the possibility of McIlrath being dealt. Maybe Kristo amounts to something. Lots of time to make more changes.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:26 pm EST

lost some words on that last post....

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:25 pm EST

Rhet: I don't think San Jose can afford to trade Thornton with how close they came to advancing last season & with Anaheim adding Kesler to compete with L.A.... San Jose seems to be caught between generations of the old guard & new guard and with what little they did today, I think they're holding pat..... They have four contracts over $6million, and one at $5,760,000 so I cant see them taking NASH since his chemistry with JT is rumored to be good.... However, I hope SJ takes the plunge for Nash just to compete with Anaheim & L.A..

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:20 pm EST

We just got Boyle, but after DC paid so much for Orpiik and Niskanen, Green is going to be moved for pretty cheap, I think.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:17 pm EST

Rhet, not at all hungry.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:15 pm EST

Hospo, Ott can't skate with our guys, and worse, he's a total asshole. Ever hear this guy mic'ed up on NHL NET?Trash-talking moron, won't get in circle cause he's too busy intimidating his opponent how he's top 5 in faceoffs, them gets in and loses clean lol. Idiot. Things would have to get pretty grim before I'd look to him for answers.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:15 pm EST

Food for thought.... How about signing Alfredsson to an incentive laden deal?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:11 pm EST

Still early lot of time to go some things may break loose that didn't seem possible. I do like Moore coming back, would have liked BB for the price tampa paid, but understand may not have been all $$ and role related, Stralman great job here out of nowhere few yrs ago, but Boyle is better on PP and offensively overall, although price is kind of higher than would have thought. Need some size and grit that plays regularly, team is even smaller now. who's this yrs. reclamation Downie, Setoguccii, Booth? Didn't score enough last yr and with Brich & BPoo gone, who's replacing those points - no one from Hartford likely so will be interesting summer.

jim9k26


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:09 pm EST

People can defend the signings if they want but the bottom line is, and as I mentioned it this afternoon, the forward lines of this current team right now are, Nash-Step-Kreider; MZA-Brass-Fast/Miller (down); hags-Lindberg-St.Louis(down) ,Glass-Moore-Fast/Miller.(down)..Heinous and pockfilled with question marks..At best, I'm willing to give Sather an INCOMPLETE and keep the fingers crossed.....OTOH, I still like the structure of the TOP 6 on defense..Agree with RHET that Boyle-Staak can be a pretty decent 2nd pair and HOPE (not expect) Mcilrath can be ready.......And I'll still gladly take OTT at C over Lindberger...Hey Moe!!!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:04 pm EST

Pretty interesting day, but sometimes the ensuing days at even more interesting, as some of what happened starts to dribble out. Got sent a load of emails and tweets I'm still sorting through. All kinds of stuff I wont post unless I find it elsewhere and can comfortably call it double sourced. One blurb is Rangers allegedly made a strong offer for a scoring winger but were outbid. Thing today was the prices were just stupid. So if they deemed something unrealistic, I have to trust it.I dont begrudge him, though I may question the wisdom of his decision because he seemed to have such a good thing here, but Benny Puliot is one lucky MFer.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:00 pm EST

I wouldn't sign Ott for the third, Id sign him for the fourth.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:53 pm EST

IMO, the Rangers replaced Stralman with Boyle and from a defensive standpoint one could argue it's a wash. Given Boyle's offensive abilities, they've upgraded the PP point position (vs the departed BR). Moore is back so that's a wash. Glass replaces DD, another wash. What''s not addressed yet are the holes created by the departure of BB, BR and Poo. I cannot believe that Sather and company are looking to promote from the Pack players to fill all 3. In other words, additional moves are coming.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:49 pm EST

Glass is a little cheaper and is locked up at that cheaper rate for 3 years. DD is 200K more and becomes an UFA this time next year. That, IMO, is why Glass is a Ranger and DD isn't.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:40 pm EST

Trades and signings that is.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:35 pm EST

MF... With all the trades today, who is left to trade for Thornton?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:33 pm EST

I'm not sure why everyone is so upset. The Rangers started the process of replacing the players they lost. They brought Moore back in, got some toughness in Glass, and brought in Dan Boyle as a stop gap replacement for Stralman. Moreover, Boyle (who scored 12 goals and 36 points last year) will be able to man the point on the power play. They also added some pretty good depth on defense and for Hartford. They certainly aren't done. I'm sure they'll be adding one or two more pieces either through free agency or trade this offseason.

evets1980


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:17 pm EST

VIC.. That's fair and you may be right. As far as options go, I like him the best right now. Unless something better comes along :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:12 pm EST

Teams can absorb up to 50% salary & hit in deals. Thats what I think we're waiting on. Bigger the $ could mean longer the wait.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:11 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun &#8207;.... Brodeur camp did talk to likes of TB and Pitt but obviously no deals there... Will be very patient... even if it takes all summer.... Trade.... because Sather likes to drive us nuts every damn season with that one head scratcher.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:10 pm EST

RHET: The OTT of 5 to 7 years ago could have. Not the OTT of today. He is just a name now. He isn't the guy that you remember.

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:09 pm EST

Why in the world would this team sign Tanner fuckin Glass? He is a nobody.....they coulda kept Dorsett at the almost the same price....Ridiculous

TradeStar28


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:07 pm EST

VIC... With what we have left to spend, there are few choices left. I also have to disagree about Ott being able to fill the 3rd line center role. He would add some much needed physicality to the team.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:01 pm EST

OTT made sense if MOORE wasn't resigned. OTT makes no sense now. Neither player can center the 3rd line. They are both 4th line centers at this stage of their career. Neither fits in as a full time center between MSL and HAGS.

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:53 pm EST

twitter rumor that we have contacted Ott. The rumor was posted some time after we signed both Moore and Glass. Same account also said Carcillo was likely.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:42 pm EST

Schneidw... Before you criticize why don't you ask what I meant by my comment? I am not one of the guys that heavily criticized Staal at all, with which you seem to get so offended. In AV's system, one defenseman is the last to leave the defensive zone. Staal was not that guy (which IMO, is his greatest strength). Playing with Dan Boyle, he can get back to being that player. IMO, when he is playing to his strengths, instead of covering for Anton Stralman's weaknesses it only makes us a better team.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:35 pm EST

Rhetoric: Dude, did you happen to miss the playoffs or something? Your comment that "Staal can get back to being Staal" is borderline ridiculous (sorry no offense.. just saying)... Staal was the best NYR overall in the playoffs, including McDonough.. he was unbeatable and the only reason Stralman is getting paid $25M... Stralman is so over-rated... good luck Tampa...

schneidw


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:33 pm EST

Hopefully, year 2 and or 3 post concussion allows for an individual to regain what was lost, and for us, both Staal & Nash continue to improve... Obviously not always the case as we witnessed first hand with Michael Sauer.. I hope Sauer's situation has improved and the same for his quality of life.

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:29 pm EST

I would like to see Steve Ott and Carcillo both signed. Sather signs the same guy every year, year after year. Glass, Asham, Rupp, Boogaard, Brashear, who am I missing? That is the literal definition of insanity. On the bright side, I really like our Defense. I think Boyle will help Staal to get back to being Staal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:23 pm EST

Today feels like a funeral. Hopefully tomorrow feels better..

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:29 pm EST

I'm not sure where things stand with Carcillo. Word early today was they were talking, then all hell broke loose. Not sure if they were deciding between Glass and Carbomb, or if Carcillo will still resign. But if you figure he's there if we want him, and you slotted Miller in as a LW or 3rd line C, we're only missing one player right now. Don't have any depth, but if for instance we had a game tonight lol.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:28 pm EST

I guess Tampa is as good as in the Finals....kind of like the Bruins last year......oh wait....the sky is falling, right?

RDW


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:20 pm EST

We need a youngster to make the team at a LW spot. We are also short a center unless it is JT Miller.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:19 pm EST

Is everybody stuttering?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:18 pm EST

Dan Boyle replaces Stralman. Tanner Glass, Dorsett. Dom Moore slots in for..... Dom Moore. So we're behind filling two spots, BB's and Puliots, 4th & 2nd line LWs. Was arguably deepest part of team, but not anymore. Richards spot is a separate matter, but has to be filled none the less. Mynguess is they don't wait 48 hrs to address at least one of the 3 holes.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:18 pm EST

Dan Boyle replaces Stralman. Tanner Glass, Dorsett. Dom Moore slots in for..... Dom Moore. So we're behind filling two spots, BB's and Puliots, 4th & 2nd line LWs. Was arguably deepest part of team, but not anymore. Richards spot is a separate matter, but has to be filled none the less. Mynguess is they don't wait 48 hrs to address at least one of the 3 holes.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:15 pm EST

Really hard to see why we have glass at 1.45 instead of Boyle at 2

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:15 pm EST

Really hard to see why we have glass at 1.45 instead of Boyle at 2

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:11 pm EST

Boyle's new wife is from Tampa. In fact hes still on his honeymoon, which is some strange planning. He turned down bigger offer from Toronto.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:09 pm EST

We lost Richards, Pouliot, Dorsett and Boyle; added Tanner Glass. Forward depth utterly gone. Our 'prospects' are -- let's be honest -- iffy at best.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:08 pm EST

I really like the fact that Dan Boyle wanted to be a Ranger. When his agent basically tells other teams that if the Rangers make an offer, the money isn't the deciding factor,thats pretty ballsy. Always good to gave guys who are prouder of the name on the front of the uni than the name on the back. Hopefully, he makes it his personal mission to fix the Rangers' PP.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:06 pm EST

You would have to think a trade or 2 is coming. Not at all likely, but I sure do hope one of the guys involved is named Nash.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:00 pm EST

Fighters are yesterday's news. There are no fights in the POs and no player in this league is "intimidated.' If Glass can play hockey that's fine. Ditto McIlrath. Hospo that forward lineup you listed sucks out loud. There had better be a trade coming.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:00 pm EST

Based on rosters as of today, you would have to assume the Lightning will end the season ahead of the Rangers. The Rangers had better finish 8th or better.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:59 pm EST

hospo- thats the first time ive heard you say something positive about colton orr maybe its time to bring him back.. just kidding

docjay


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:52 pm EST

Bob. Yeah and they could be picking McDavid. DOH!!!

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:52 pm EST

On Brian Boyle - I think he made it apparent that he wanted a bigger role and was probably looking for the best deal out there. Already be pointed out about the $$$ in TB and the lack of taxes. I'm sure it made a difference. Brian is a 4th line player on the NYR - period. He might be that in TB as well, but the grass is always greener and maybe there is a chance he moves up... ... ... Basically, I think Boyle is going to end up on the 4th line I. tB as well, but is probably going to make 500k more a year because of the tax break - which is what he was looking for. Listen, this is a Prust situation... How many opportunities do guys like this get to take care of their families financially? 1... 2? I wish we could have worked it out, but Brian isn't a dumb man - for us it would have had to be 3m Per... Not happening, not for the role he would have on this team. Kudos to him... He was a damn good Ranger. I wish him the best, but it just wasn't going to work out.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:45 pm EST

As for Orr, guy could always fight,,,just never liked the way he skated (tri-pod) or played.although he did improve.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:43 pm EST

Docjay - Obviously, loose with the facts!....I was thinking of a fight Hollweg had with him when he was with Phx/San ANtonio,,,And since Hollweg won so seldom I tended to remember,,,..but...I didn't...bcause it was Triston Grant...not Tyler Glass.....My bad...Still doesn't change my view of him as a player.all that......But I am glad that he is a better fighter than I thought he was...That helps because Dorsett and Carcillo can be punching bags at times.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:43 pm EST

hospo- you either are playing loose with the facts or your memory fails you, the glass- hollwig fight which occured in 2004 was a clear decision for glass and would have been worse if hollweg wasnt holding on for dear life, anyone who doubts me can look it up . glass is a legitate heavyweight who has held his own with chris neal( you can look it up) and adam mcquaid( you can look it up) i dare say the rangers have not had someone of that caliber since colton orr , but then again you never had anything good to say about colton orr either

docjay


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:39 pm EST

Bob -- Boyle said he wanted a bigger role on the team...ie; more ice time/more responsibility. Is Boyle a 3rd line player on this team? He doesn't fit that role on the Rangers up-temp system at all. How can we sign a guy based on demands for more ice time? Do we put a clause in that says, "if you do not play well, we're allowed to give you less ice time?" I'm being flippant, but really....you can't meet a demand like that from a player.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:23 pm EST

hospo- you either are playing loose with the facts or your memory fails you, the glass- hollwig fight which occured in 2004 was a clear decision for glass and would have been worse if hollweg wasnt holding on for dear life, anyone who doubts me can look it up . glass is a legitate heavyweight who has held his own with chris neal( you can look it up) and adam mcquaid( you can look it up) i dare say the rangers have not had someone of that caliber since colton orr , but then again you never had anything good to say about colton orr either

docjay


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:15 pm EST

I think Boyle was a goner once AV spoke about his role on the Rangers. AV is quite up front and honest about stuff like that. Rangers could have afforded this deal. Instead, they signed 3 useless back up defensemen and Tanner Glass. At least Dom Moore will be back. Tampa will probably be in the finals next year with our #1 pick.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:02 pm EST

Patrick: was wondering the same thing. He may come really cheap. 1 year, 1-1.5 mil. May not work, but if it does he could be a steal.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:58 pm EST

Hospo| Kristo might also be in the mix of Fs. I would also not presume what we saw in Hartford last year is a good measure of how these guys can do with better players around them. And, as a long-time fan I'm sure you are aware that some players who didn't do much at the AHL level suddenly blossom when they make it to the NHL Not to sound like a Pollyanna, give the Rangers and others a chance to see what their teams look like before deciding on mutually beneficial trades. And, of course, after the first day UFA frenzy some Unsigned players may decide to take less - and having a little cap space may help. The Rangers also need to resolve their RFA contract situations to better understand the cap issue or opportunities they may have as well as to clarify their trade needs. We never should have had this degree of uncertainty, Sather should have signed some of these guys to longer term contracts last year or the year before. But, I honestly think last year's team surprised Sather who expected to have to turn over a greater number of players today. And, he probably needed to see how AV worked out and what players and system he needed. AV managed to get the team he inherited on board with pretty much the personnel already here. I doubt Sather expected that either. And so, we are where we are and. As fans we'll have to hope the genius, AV and his staff can repeat or surpass last years result with what we now have with some key tweaks now or at the trading deadline. Like most I'm not overly optimistic, but we need to give them a chance. Remeber that none of us expected last year's team to exceed our expectations. Just saying......

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:53 pm EST

Forgot who mentioned it but I do love the idea of bringing that Mueller kid back to the NHL in Puliots place...wont likely cost much at all...

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:46 pm EST

Hospo: not missing anyone current...rangers did say they want to add a forward either from FA or trade. So I expect to see at least one more move made

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:42 pm EST

Chris Wondolowski=Rick Nash. Game on his foot and he chokes.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:33 pm EST

Freaking Belgium!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:30 pm EST

I know this will destroy everybody but STU BICKEL signed with the Wild! Thank Goid we got Hunwick!!,,

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:19 pm EST

so, as it stands now, the team is....Nash-Step-Kreider; MZA-Brass-Fast/Miller; hags-Lindberg-St.Louis ,Glass-Moore-Fast/Miller.....Am I missing anybody? If not, that's scary..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:12 pm EST

Not too upset about the signings, and those UFAs we lost to stupid contracts. Not one of those deals will be worth it. I am a seer! The Poo deal really is the interesting one. 5 years, reall? Huh. D. Boyle should be serviceable for the two years..but ya never know in NYR-Land. Glass is the one that I scratch my head. What does Sather smoke in those cigars anyway? Whatever, another 4 liner who will barely play. Not the first. Will not be the last. Should be interesting to see if the chomper can pull off a deal when it becomes apparent that he can not afford to ice a full roster because of stupid contracts he handed out in the past or becasue of Nash's 7.8mil. Just getting started with the summer re-tooling but the interesting thing is the last time the Rangers were left for dead and picked to be last was after the '04 lockout and the lame signings and piece meal roster. But that team played pretty damn well until the post-Olympic burn-out. Never expected a splashy July first but maybe we will be surprised.

NYStranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:07 pm EST

Tough to say what went on with Boyle, except think its pretty clear Sather doesn't want to pay ANY depth guys much more than a million per. Think he wants that $ for a big ticket item up front instead. So within 3 months, TB got Callahan, Boyle, Stralman, and two of No. 1's. And we get St Louis for likely last year of his hockey life. Oy. Its not that simple of course, but now we gotta plug holes & worry about TB.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:07 pm EST

Goc, 1 year at 1.2 mill for Pitt

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:05 pm EST

Ranger47 - From what I saw of MILLER and FAST in the NHL, they just aren't ready for consistent play except as a 4th line piece..I was totally unimpressed with Lindberg in pre-season and he far from dominated in hartfdfod( I saw two games and wasn't wowed)..Sounds like a player that needs more time instead of being rushed,,,

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:03 pm EST

If Boyle's agent made demands based on Ice time that AV was unwilling to give, the money was not the issue.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:00 pm EST

And I, too, wanted to see another center or top 6 forward signed today. But, if they are looking to the kids to fill those roles they must think they are ready. And, unlike most of the Wall who think our kids are mostly for trades, in today's cap world you have to have some kids move up every year to the NHL to be competitive. So, perhaps its for the best (fingers crossed). OK - optimism over.....

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:59 pm EST

Rhet -- so Boyle joins his pal Cally who did the same thing.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:58 pm EST

JFC - Totally agree.......MF - Sorry, but GOC just re-upped in Pitt

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:57 pm EST

I, too, am disappointed with not resigning Boyle - especially given the contract he took with TB. But, you may recall that he was adamant he wanted a bigger role than AV and the Rangers were willing to give him (since when he had that bigger role he did not deliver). Perhaps TB guaranteed him a top 3 lines role so he took the lesser amount. Who knows?

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:57 pm EST

Hospo -- I think Legwand would be a damned good pickup at C....big guy, knows how to play both ends of the ice, nice scoring touch. I mentioned picking him up at the trade deadline. I'm guessing that Sather doesn't have the $$$....yet. If he's really gonna take a chance on getting a center in house, I think it's a mistake. He's gonna have to get. Wing so,perhaps he pulls of a move that sheds salary and gains him cap,space. who knows? But those weaknesses are now GLARING AFAIAC.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:56 pm EST

3 years $2.3 for Boyle? Rangers blew that. Big.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:56 pm EST

Hospo... If' Boyle's reps tell Sather they've been offered so many dollars for so many years and Sather can't compete with it, what choice does he have but to move on? The blame is squarely on Boyle and his rep's shoulders. They screwed themselves out of town by looking for that big payday that never came.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:56 pm EST

Hospo.., there is a soccer game on, you know! Don't get too upset over the big stiff. I know I'm not. This Club will be just fine. The young guys are gonna step up.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:50 pm EST

RHET - Seems like BITH sather and Boyle read the market wrong! All I know is one iof the palyers Sather signed is really gonna be useless in the POs, the opposite of Boyle....4th liners that can only hit and skate are the ones thta should be replaced by hard working kids making the minimum. and not costing 1.5 mil.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:46 pm EST

Boyle's cap hit is actually $2 mil. It seems like Boyle's options dried up and he went to a place where he had some friends.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:44 pm EST

The market for Boyle shrank with all of the quick signings. I read somewhere that we did offer him 3 years at $3 Mil per. I bet you he'd like to have had that offer back. Still, we signed 2 players for that price.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:42 pm EST

VTRAngers - Or he thought,, these schmucks think that JT Miller and Oscar Lindberg are ready tp play 3rd line C in the NHL?? get me the hell out of here

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:42 pm EST

The only thing SJ did was trade Stuart today. For a team looking for a rebuild with plenty of cap space, not sure what they're up to. Maybe Nash will be moved!

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:39 pm EST

Losing Boyle for under $3mill per on a 3 yr deal hurts.... Is it official?

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:39 pm EST

WTF??? Brian Boyle's deal with TB was more than reasonable. Don't get it. Only thing I can think of is that BB said don't offer me if I'm limited to a 4th line role.

VtRanger


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:35 pm EST

Wang continues to torture Islander fans. An absolute shame... Buff, Isles, Calgary, Vancouver, could be the bottom 4. Pick em!

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:35 pm EST

TDCHI - Ah, OK, then we agree....As for WASH, Gren leaving is another reason they had to sign two quality D-men, and they did.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:33 pm EST

The person that should be regretting that is SATHER...BOYLE's play in the POs alone is worth the 3 years at a paltry (in today's NHL) 2.3 million...Oh but we got Tanner Glass for 1.5 mill, a player who's coach didn't think he was good enough to play agasint us I n the second round..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:33 pm EST

Hospo - they ain't gonna be able to keep GREEN. He's a goner soon.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:32 pm EST

And by big regret, I mean on the Rangers end.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:31 pm EST

TDCHI - I don'tthink so...yeah, like 90% of the UFA signed today, NISKANEN got over paid, but the guy is a solid D-man right now coming into his own and expanding his offense...He's also only 28...I think it was a good signing..The one to have a problem with is ORPIK...Still for the next 2-3 years the Caps really improved their defense whuch was Green, Carlson, Alzner and a mess...They had to do it,.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:29 pm EST

And another in the soon-to-be-a-big-regret category: Brian BOYLE to Tampa...three years, $2.3 million.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:21 pm EST

Damn it, I'm gonna agree with Messier11...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:19 pm EST

And in the soon-to-be-a-big-regret category: Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Seven years, $40.25M for Niskanen in WSH. $5.75M AAV.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:19 pm EST

Thanks Rhet....MF....very happy with that signing.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:10 pm EST

I don't like these depth signings, and I hope AVs need for Glass didn't cost us Boyle and/or Ott/Setoguchi

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:06 pm EST

Willie Mitchell Signing With The Florida Panthers: Willie Mitchell and Florida Panthers agree to terms

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:01 pm EST

I took it to other board like I said, Sporty. he refused. Fine. here I gotta ignore him. It is pretty fuckin inconsiderate and I apologize.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 4:00 pm EST

Nervous...lots of work left on the table to be done with the RFAs and the C slot to fill. CHI is capped out; Andrew Shaw? Might they be willing to part with him?

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:57 pm EST

TD/Rabid - I understand that you are both "passionate" fans, but please can you guys give it a rest. You both make it very difficult to enjoy interacting on the Wall. I know a few before me have commented on it, but it is time to give it a rest. Just ignore each other.

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:56 pm EST

Patrick Sharp would fit like a glove. Speed, Cup experience, righty, scores huge goals. man him on a line with Brass & Zuc would be AWESOME. Evander Kane. Bobby Ryan will definitely be available, if not right this moment, during the year. He's UFA-to-be and not staying in Ottawa. Vrbata still out there, a few others if I think. And those are just the wings. JT & Staal still on the block. But Id like to get one locked in asap, and figure out the other open spot going forward. The Heatlys and Penners should be there a bit longer if nothing else materializes

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:56 pm EST

Craig Custance.... Niskanen closing in on a deal with the Capitals.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:52 pm EST

In all seriousness, Chicago is now over the cap by more than 2 mil, now is the time to make a reasonable trade including Miller, Skeji, KRISTO, or whomever for one of their top six forwards, especially with what KANE & TOEWS want.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:49 pm EST

The Rangers have signed goalie Cedrick Desjardins.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:47 pm EST

Maybe Brad wants his name on the Cup again :-)

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:46 pm EST

1-year $2 Mil for Richards. Maybe Brad wants to come back to NY next season?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:44 pm EST

They couls have made the 4th line a speed line: JTMiller on the LW, Dom Moore Center / Setoguchi on the RW... As long as we control the puck, they cant score.... Setoguchi finds his game, we could move him up..... Can we still trade Tanner Glass ?

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:44 pm EST

Already rich B-Rich takes home another $2 million. Congrats for him...GREAT for the Hawks...great for Richards too, who deserves to carry on his career with a winner.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:42 pm EST

RICHARDS to CHICAGO. Good signing for both.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:42 pm EST

Think all will feel much better once they acquire a forward. This day is not a total wreck. But about 5 teams after Vbata last I saw; and what if they're trying to trade for one instead? I'd rather land Bobby Ryan tomorrow than sign Vrbata today. NO WAY in the world Sather let's his Stanley Cup team be dismanted like this. Just gotta be patient. Long summer.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:42 pm EST

Hospo: We got D-Boyle, MSL; you wanted Iggy; mentioned Alfredsson ... are you a senior-center pudding salesman looking to branch into locker rooms? :-)

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:41 pm EST

MFRED: 2yrs, $1.5mill per

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:41 pm EST

Fred... Moore re-signed on a 2 year deal... MF... You can exceed the summer cap by 10%.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:40 pm EST

RHET: No Secret I have been promoting using the "bonus structure" to circumvent this years cap." Now I believe the league has to sign off on all contracts, but with the cap almost guaranteed to go up with the the new TV deal, Can we sign a player to a contract that read $1mill base, $1mill bonus if you play in 10 regular season games, $500K if we make the playoffs? Then, if the player earns the bonuses, we just risk money versus next years cap, and if we run into a small amount of Cap Trouble next year, implement some small bonus structure into the guys we need to sign next year such as STEPAN, HAGELIN, & STAAL...... ?

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:39 pm EST

@PLeonardNYDN AV says Lindberg, Miller potential fits as center to step up but I see pressure on Lindberg since Miller struggles w D responsibilities

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:38 pm EST

@DarrenDreger: Brad Richards going to Chicago as per source.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:37 pm EST

BTW....I wish Pouliot all the luck in the world......but 5 years?! No wonder Edmonton is in the shitter.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:37 pm EST

From the conference call, it indeed looks like Well has run dry (after RFAs) and MILLER or LINDERG will be foolishly looked at for the 3trd C spot..And with no real [prospects for the the other top 6 wing..Forgot, Jumpin Jasper!..Sather better vcome up with something ingenious because this has Doom written all over....Good cap management Slats....One step up, two steps back..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:36 pm EST

LAte to the party....like the Dan Boyle signing......and wouldnot mind Vrbata (sp). Did we re-sign Dom Moore?

MelvilleFred


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:35 pm EST

RHET: Can you go over the cap by signing UFA's ? t/y

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:33 pm EST

Andrew Gross &#8207;..... Rangers still need a center past Brassard, Stepan and Dom Moore. AV mentions both JT Miller and Oscar Lindberg as candidates......Steve Zipay.... NYR asst GM Jeff Gorton: Still looking for F, not necessarily UFA. Leaves door open on using summer cap cushion to go over $69 million.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:32 pm EST

Hockey News: ALFREDSSON: (RHS, & Hagelins favorite) ...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?441

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:28 pm EST

mf: Big, strong player who, when he's on his game, hits and works the corners well. He's got a deceptively hard shot - it's why he scored 30 goals 3 years ago. He might be a decent fit on the Brassard/Zuke line.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:28 pm EST

Top remaining scorers on the UFA list are.....VRBATA, RICHARDS, LEGWAND, RIBERIO and...Daniel ALFREDSSON..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:27 pm EST

Hockey News Link to SETOGUCHI ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4990

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:26 pm EST

Polis - You'll be waiting a long time. I'm done with you. Please leave me out of your flaming posts. And I'd again implore the moderator to take some action here.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:25 pm EST

Hockey news link to : MARCEL GOC ... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2420

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:24 pm EST

MF: VRBATA might be a fit with MZA and BRASSARD. Maybe it could work. No to SETOGUCHI. KULEMIN had 1 career year but hasn't been the same since. Was that a fluke?

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:24 pm EST

Hockey News Link to VRBATA: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2231

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:22 pm EST

(RF: Bet you've seen this kid play a few games, thoughts ?) hockey News Link for KULEMIN.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4656

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:22 pm EST

I'm not gonna piss all over Humwick, but makes you wonder what Sather' focus was today with some of his signings..OTOH, there I still plenty of time...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:21 pm EST

ref24 - big difference between DOWNIE and Crcillo..DOWNIE has scored between over 40 points twice and over 30 another time while Carcillo has topped 11 points only once (22 points)...Carcillo is a 4th liner..DOWNIE can play on other lines...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:16 pm EST

VIC - I agree, I have always wanted size for those two spots but, as the Rangers showed this past year that it's not absolutely necessary.....I just wonder if Sather is even thinking about filling these holes.....I think it's a AHUGE mistake to gow with the Miller/Fat/Lindbergs this season..Hige mistake..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:16 pm EST

VIC: IYO (in your opinion) does, Kulemin, Setoguchi, Vrbata fill that void?

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:15 pm EST

Some veteran players signed for the Pack today. At least that's how the last 3 signings look to me. Maybe Sather is finally grown weary of icing an AHL team that struggles to make the POs. Development 101 includes the notion of having a strong farm team to creates a winning environment for the prized youth. Constantly losing is not counter-productive.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:15 pm EST

Ill go to other Wall for you MF. Important day today. Im waitin for ya TD!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:15 pm EST

Rhet0ric, another Hartford signing.

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:15 pm EST

DOWNIE had 4 goals and 20 assists. 3-4 line guy. Definitely a gritty player. But I would just keep CARCILLO. We know he can play.

ref24


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:14 pm EST

RF4L/mf - Don't look at me. I keep trying to ignore this troll.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:13 pm EST

NYR sign Matt Hunwick to one year deal worth $600K.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:12 pm EST

Hunwick signs a one year deal.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:12 pm EST

HOSPO: I agree with that but with a few caveats. Yes, the Rangers need to find a winger for MZA and BRASSARD. That, in my book, is a top 6 player. You need to find a power forward that can replace the skating, size, grit and hands of POULIOT. BUT, most of all you need to find someone who can mesh with those two. MSL sure didn't. Maybe MILLER will end up being that guy but it is way too much to expect him to go from not being able to make the lineup to playing wing on what was the Rangers best line. The other top 9 spot is the Center of the 3rd line. Again, that needs to be a guy who has size and can skate. I would love to see a guy like SUTTER take that spot but he isn't available and the Rangers couldn't afford him if he was. I've seen nothing out of any Rangers prospect that tells me they can jump in and fill that role. I'm not a happy camper so far.....

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:12 pm EST

mf: Agreed - waiting to see which one of those 2 will show some maturity and STFU. Please.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:12 pm EST

McKenzie: NYR sign Matt Hunwick to one year deal worth $600K.

evets1980


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:12 pm EST

Interesting... NJ signed backup G Clemmensen, Scott. Looks like Fatso will be playing somewhere else next year.... Nice...

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:09 pm EST

TD / RR: Please take the bullshit to the other Wall or anywhere else for that matter. Thank you.

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:06 pm EST

VIC - My typing sucked and my explanation wasn't that clear, but I hope you got my point..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:05 pm EST

Higgy21, you need to put down that crack pipe.... slowly step away... it will be allright, i promise.

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:05 pm EST

BOYLE 75 games 12g 24a. -8 STRALMAN 81 games 1g. 12a +9 if anything we saved a lot of money and added goals. I know his weekness is his own end and our weekness. Is the PP

ref24


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:04 pm EST

VIC - Arguably, if Stepan-nash-Kreider is your first line....BRASS-MZA play fine like 2nd liners..And then we have St. Louis--Good enough to be a 1st -3rd liner...and the we have Hags who ex-plodded in the POs....It would be nice to sign twocertified second liners but even 3rd kliners or 2nd/3rd liner tweeners will be fines..FOrget my labeling, the point is we have flexibility and leeway but the holes still MUST BE FILLED..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:04 pm EST

"This (completely obscure guy) would be Perfect. Hits like a MACK TRUCK. Hes just had a really hard time breaking into the NHL" LOL HAHAHA... This from the resident surgeon, psychologist and chief scout, TDCHI!!!! Hehehehehe...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:00 pm EST

Let's throw an offer sheet at Brandon SUTTER, one that is just to high for Pitt to match

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:00 pm EST

VIC - I agree that the D got a little weaker and the PP got better....Where does the balance lie? IIf we have sacrificed too much D, we will have to get a more defensive D-man as the season moves along (or McI if he I ready)..If we still have a problem with a PP, we have NOBODY to move up and we will have o pay through nose as is usual around the deadline for PP specialist..For those reasons, I'll take Boyle over Stralman..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:00 pm EST

The Rangers have signed defenseman Steve Kampfer to a two-way contract. (Bob McKenzie) Kampfer, 25, is 5-11, 196 and spent last season with the Iowa Wild. He played 69 games and had six goals and 20 assists and was a minus nine.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 3:00 pm EST

HOSPO: Agreed, and the Rangers have done nothing to help the Top 6 or Top 9. In fact, the only thing they have done is lose a Top 6 winger. AND, there isn't a player out there that I am aware of that I would consider a Top 6 player the Rangers should target. DOWNIE would be a Top 9 target and one of the few that I would take a chance on.

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:55 pm EST

Polis - You just can't help yourself. That's OK. Continue to make yourself look like the petulant child you are.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:54 pm EST

JFC and REF: There is no way that BOYLE is a better skater or better in his own end then STRALMAN. That is simply not the case. Sure, he is better on the PP and he will help there. Defensively the Rangers got weaker.

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:52 pm EST

Steve Kampher. Oh boy....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:51 pm EST

RABID - Can't say I agree with you on LINDBERG and I think one day, if his mental game permits, JT is gonna be a good Ranger..Of all of them, I think FAST is the most ready to play consistently , even if only a 3rd-4th line capcity...Just from what I have seen and MWO

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:48 pm EST

Sami Salo? Willie Mitchell?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:45 pm EST

NYR can send staff home Hospo. TD decides when guys are ready LOL. Ill tell ya something pretty incredible that happened. They bought out a 50-pt centerman & lost galf their fucking team to free agency! That creates OPPORTUNITY.especially for PPG kids the front office us very high on according to published reports. And Lindberg will get & seize that oportunity while JT is still at ACE looking for a toolbox.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:45 pm EST

NYR have a 4pm conference call.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:45 pm EST

I don't mean BOYLE either

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:43 pm EST

What a signing! Just signed a cup winning Defenseman.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:40 pm EST

And here's another name for 3rd C from the UFA list --David Legwand...Just throwing it out there.....

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:40 pm EST

Hospo - heh, yeah...I see a lot of them with RPI/Union...used to be 10 years ago, only a few here and there went pro...now a lot of them are making it.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:37 pm EST

Dany Heatley is still out there :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:35 pm EST

Panthers are going to be heard from they keep this up. They got Luongo too, right? Meh. Guess the Tim Thomas experiment is over....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:35 pm EST

Vic. I don't see it that badly. Boyle is easel too if not better than Stralman. And Glass is an improvement on Dorsett. And we signed moore. Now sign zucc. It's not that had

ref24


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:34 pm EST

JFC- it was.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:32 pm EST

Vic -- what minus(s) negate Boyle's ability to improve our PP? It was our most glaring need AFAIAC.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:31 pm EST

TDCHI - You and these obscure names! :) you should write the Ranger personell staf and tell them about your players

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:29 pm EST

VIC - You're last two question are exactly why it would be pure folly to not fill the two top nine forwards spots and/or count on a host of prospects that arent' ready (Fast , Linberg, Miller, Kristo)..Hey, they can all take turns on a 4th line spot and see who runs with hit......GLAS is not a fave of mine, but I bet he workls out well just with his skating and hitting...Obviously, he already has the confidence of his coach

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:29 pm EST

Florida Pantheres Signed JJokinen 4yrs $4mill, and Dave Bolland 5yrs @ $5.5mill....With the #1 pick of EKBLAD, I bet they make the playoffs.....

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:28 pm EST

And the Rangers lost out on Jerry D'AMIGO. Jackets got him for a plugger in Frattin...Rangers should have snapped him up. Really talented player who has struggled to break in to the NHL...Ties to Team USA from 2010...Just a beast on skates...would have been a great bottom-line signing.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:28 pm EST

Yes, Jokinen signed hours ago.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:27 pm EST

Right now we have approx. $3-4 Mill left to sign a forward or a center. That is unless we make a trade :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:25 pm EST

Jokinen signed somewhere already. Wpg? Saw 4yrs, 16m or something like that.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:23 pm EST

from what I was able to find on the web, GOC, VRBATA, SETOGUCHI, can all skate.....

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:23 pm EST

Pretty disappointed with the day so far. Not interested in DAN BOYLE at all. Ten years ago YES! Now, NO! I don't care how much he helps the PP. His minus outweigh that plus. GLASS is a wasted signing. I'd rather see anyone from Hartford over GLASS The Rangers are a lesser team today (so far) then they were yesterday. Seeing what is left out there to be had I don't see how next year can be anything other then a step backwards. It makes no sense to me. If you were going to do this (i.e. less then nothing) you should have blown the damn thing up. What was the point of bringing in MSL if you weren't going to try to win it this year? Why blow those 2 #1 draft picks?

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:22 pm EST

sleeper signing prediction: jokinen from pens.

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:22 pm EST

Hospo - LOL. It was only a stress fracture.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:20 pm EST

LINDBERG ain't ready. Or at least he wasn't a couple months ago. Unless something incredible has happened, he starts the year in Hartford. MILLER, FAST and KRISTO in that order, with a footnote on Ryan BOURQUE...those are the guys I would say are most ready. On Bourque, he's ready...it's just where he'd fit in...I don't see him playing over the fourth line, but he's a heart-and-soul guy who deserves a shot. Could be the Rangers' Stephen GIONTA.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:19 pm EST

TDCHI - But I hear MUELLER broke his toenail and is out for 5 months...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:19 pm EST

Oh, I still want two forwards Hospo!! I also look at Moore as a guy who can pivot to LW ON 4th, if, for instance, Tanner Glass busts! Or carcillom struggles, e If he even resigns. But 2nd line LW, gotta have one(though don't think Ott can skate with brass, Zuc) And I'll take a top flight center and back Lindberg up to 4th, swivel Moore over. I'd wouldn't even speak of Lindberg in same breath as Fast and Miller.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:18 pm EST

jnyr - You tell him! actually, during his best seasons. Downie could be a good replacement for what Pouliot did last year (thiogh not as good a skater)

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:17 pm EST

Ranger47 - Of my top three right now, two are in the Swiss League: Peter MUELLER...perfect center to bide time until MILLER can take it full-time...could also replace POULIOT on the Zucc line...and Kaspers DAUGAVINS. Perfect guy for the bottom three.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:17 pm EST

Ranger47 - Glad I could be of service..Me, I got Elmer Fudd's laugh stuck in my head right now!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:16 pm EST

I knew there was something funky in the tax laws for athletes... NN: How does the "Jock Tax" affect female athletes? :-)

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:16 pm EST

Who the heck is Mike Kosta??? Sign Steve Downie

jnyr


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:15 pm EST

NN... Also, it's arbitrarily enforced. States(not all) usually go after the guys making the most money because they want their "cut" of the pie. Not all hockey players rate.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:12 pm EST

RABID - I have seen nothing in my limited viewings of MILLER, FAST and LINDBERZG that gives me any confidence they can get the job done CONSISTENLY in the top 3 line RIGHT NOW. At least ONE and preferably two forwards need to be brought in...In the optimum scenario..IMWO of course.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:10 pm EST

Reportedly 5 teams in on Vrbata.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:10 pm EST

NN.... Yes, It all pretty much washes out in the end.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:09 pm EST

Hospo: Somehow that image made me think of Bugs pointing at Elmer Fudd's head with the image of "Screw + Ball"! :)

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:09 pm EST

VRBATA: I know he plays wing, but, Can this guy play center??? OR, he could be Pouliots replacement with Brass/MZA..... He's also a RHS....... Mess11, you seem down on him, sorry to put you on the spot but, care to elaborate?t....... Vrbata put up identical #'s as BRichards last year, and is a way better skater... 20/31/51 points -6 (Richards was minus -8)

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:09 pm EST

Unless its some heavy hitter, want Lindberg in that spot; Definitely over a guy like Steve Ott. Thing with Ott is he can slot LW as well, and now we need one of those too!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:07 pm EST

OK, Sather, time to pull out that wabbitt!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:04 pm EST

Might there be anyone available from the KHL we might consider signing?

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:03 pm EST

For example, Setagouchi....

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:03 pm EST

RHET: Their is a jock tax for athletes...http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/04/15/pro-athlete-tax-returns-illustrate-complexities-of-u-s-tax-code/ This is from the Hockey News...Players pay Federal, State/Provincial, and local income takes (if any) on their entire earnings based on the city they play in. In addition, they have to pay non-resident income taxes ("Jock taxes") on income earned during away games - based on a patchwork of state and provincial tax laws - however, in general, they get to take tax deductions on their federal taxes for state/local taxes paid and tax credits on state taxes for state/local taxes paid to other jurisdictions.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:03 pm EST

WOLF PACK NEWS: NYR sign Chris Mueller. He had 25 goals, 32 assists for 57 points! What a great move for the pack!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:02 pm EST

It could be that they think Lindberg is ready for that 3rd line C spot at a lot less money and might be looking to upgrade elsewhere (or for a trade involving some other position)...

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:01 pm EST

HAH, for a second I thought TCCHI was having a hear attack and we got his boy MUELLER!!!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 2:00 pm EST

Were't the Rangers linked to Grabovski and RIberion? If so, I hope they have thought better and this isn't a consideration....WHo started the rumors about OTT? Would love to have him..3rd C..But would mean Step and Brassard need to step up BIG

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:59 pm EST

Well if he scores like that Rhet, he's not going to make it lol....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:57 pm EST

Mueller was signed for the Wolfpack.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:56 pm EST

Boy, Mueller's got some stellar offensive numbers.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:55 pm EST

rhet: t/y...... I'm moving to Florida

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:54 pm EST

C. MUELLER: listed at 5'11", 210 lbs, probably built like Clutterbuck, "a brick shithouse." ....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5321

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:53 pm EST

MF... Again, you pay the taxes to the state where you have your primary residence/work. No one pays taxes for visiting a city on a 'business trip.'

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:53 pm EST

Suspect Chris Mueller is Hartford-bound. Can't see him making the Rangers even without BOYLE and RICHARDS.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:53 pm EST

OK, Slats got us 2/3rds of a 4th line again. Now get me some offense! Dan Boyle should be worth 20+ pts more than Stralman, the PP help is invaluable. Now get us a damn center that can score more than Richards and we've upgraded. I have to assume Puliot's offense is replaceable, though I do worry a bit about chemistry on what's left of that line. All's not lost here.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:52 pm EST

TD Too Funny. They Petered Out ! :-(

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:51 pm EST

New York Rangers..... OFFICIAL: NYR have agreed to terms with free agent forward Chris Mueller.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:51 pm EST

WRONG MUELLER, NUMBNUTS!!! OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with free agent forward Chris Mueller.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:51 pm EST

Rhet: means he retains "at least" $281,250 every year for the home games he would have played in NY.. I am NOT SURE if athletes are taxed at the State Rate they are playing in when they're on the road.... Any CPA's here? .... "IF" Stralman is taxed at the Florida Rate for all 82 games, he retains $562,500 per year in taxes NOT PAID to NY City & NY State... Most of us could live on $562,500 per year......

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:46 pm EST

Iginla got 3 yrs? No tnx.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:45 pm EST

The AV's have $11mill in Cap space, still need to figure out what to do with O'Reilly, & a d'man...

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:45 pm EST

hipcheck, Bruins have no money. it won't be them. I understand the love for BB, good 4th line player in the playoffs, but during the regular season, he is just average. Seems like everyone has a short memory. That is the same Bryan Boyle that has hands of cement, slow skater and soft as shit. i like the guys, but if he was looking for $3.5 per, good luck Brian... Glad we resigned Moore. More valuable to the team then BB.

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:44 pm EST

I'm thinking the "Rangers contacting Ott" rumors might be Sather trying to get Boyle to come back for less money. Who knows, I would love to have him back however there is only so much cash to go around.

RDW


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:44 pm EST

Stralman deal is actually $22.5 Mil over 5 years.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:44 pm EST

As per @Real_ESPNLeBrun, Stralman deal is $22.5M over 5 years, not $20M.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:43 pm EST

Liked Stralman and he was a real bargain for us over the last few years. That being said he wasn't very physical in the regular season and is one of the worst d-men I've ever seen at getting the puck on net or through traffic.

RDW


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:43 pm EST

Liked Stralman and he was a real bargain for us over the last few years. That being said he wasn't very physical in the regular season and is one of the worst d-men I've ever seen at getting the puck on net or through traffic.

RDW


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:42 pm EST

There's also no saying if Stralman would've taken $4 Mil per season from the Rangers. Please remember, there is no City or State tax in Tampa.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:42 pm EST

Want no part of Ribiero.Better options.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:41 pm EST

Hipcheck: after Philthy, Bruins, Shitzburg, Montreal, Devils,

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:40 pm EST

NYR have contracted the Steve Ott camp

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:40 pm EST

I'm sure with STRALMAN is was the length of the deal he was seeking, not the cap hit. Rangers don't want to commit to that length until the know what's going to happen with McILRATH.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:39 pm EST

Just curious, where would wallsters' "least" like to see B. BOYLE sign? My answer is always Philly. But it would also suck if he landed on The Bruins.

hipcheck


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:39 pm EST

To me, only UFA option for center is Ribeiro. Knowing that, I think management is looking at trade options instead. Hoping for Eric Staal.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:38 pm EST

They're rollin with punches OK; tough day. Keep in Moore, maybe Carcillo. Replaced Dorsett. 1st point man in eons, if he can still play point LOL. Offensive moves to come, guys available.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:38 pm EST

Happy for Stralman. Going to a good team in a good place to live. He was a good soldier here. Good Luck to him.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:38 pm EST

Man, wish they'd sign Brian BOYLE and call it a day...

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:37 pm EST

Higgy: What?? Iggy to the AVS has been rumored since 2 days ago...AVS did not panic...they were talking like they knew Stastny may be gone as of last week.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:35 pm EST

5 years at 4 Mill for Strals..Good contract for him and when you consider the money thrown at other D-men like Orpik, Nikitinm etc..not bad for TB either,,

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:35 pm EST

5 years 20 mil for stralman...cap hit ok, term not so great. No word on NTC or NMC yet

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:34 pm EST

Colorado obviously panicked after losing Stastny, and I would guess Niskanen to Detroit.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:34 pm EST

$4 Mil per on Stralman

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:33 pm EST

With no State Income Tax to boot..... Tampa's nice, the kids will like Orlando & the beaches.. :-)

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:33 pm EST

5-years deal for Stralman.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:32 pm EST

4th line seems done...2nd/3rd W and 3rd C open...--RIBERIO, GRABOVSKI, OTT for C?? JOKINEN, DOWNIE, K, I'm stretching here...for 2nd/3rd line wing..Just throwing out possibilities

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:32 pm EST

Stralman signs with Lightning.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:31 pm EST

Rumor floating that Stralman signs in Tampa. Source is a little dubious though.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:31 pm EST

RHET: Not when your team has an internal cap BELOW the NHL cap. AVS will not spend to the cap the next few years...and if he is hurt he can go on LTIR ala Pronger.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:31 pm EST

agreed Glass, Moore means Boyle is out. amount for Glass maybe even more than market value in effort to shame Boyle. //// so far, Dan Boyle has shown more commitment to this team than did Pouliot, Brian Boyle.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:30 pm EST

NIKOLAI KULEMIN still unsigned, Marcel Goc (center)

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:28 pm EST

TSNBobMcKenzie: Tlusty signs in CAR. One year deal $2.95M.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:28 pm EST

docjay - All I know is I have seen Ryan Hollweg kick the shit out of both Tanner Glass and Derek Dorsett....Neither is a good fighter but will fight..Both are hitters and good team players. Niether is that talented. But, I'll trust AV on this one

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:28 pm EST

Has VRBATA signed yet? I don't see it as official. thanks

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:27 pm EST

See Hospo. Slats wanted no part of Iggy again. 30 goals. Its not like we gave an age limit lately...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:27 pm EST

VAN signs D Bobby Sanguinetti $600,000 if in NHL.... IGGY deal is nut. $5.5, 5.5 and 5 Mil for a 35 plus player? Crazy if he gets hurt.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:27 pm EST

HUGE NEWS: VAN signs D Bobby Sanguinetti $600,000.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:26 pm EST

RHET- Crcillo/Glass I Dorsett's replacement. Fast will be Boyle's. That's as factual as yours,.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:26 pm EST

Jay McClement has been an assistant captain on the St. Louis, Colorado, and Toronto. Must be doing something right. Sign him and trade for Sharp.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:25 pm EST

Hospo, yep, agree. i corrected myself. We now need a forward to replace Poo and center to replace Brad Richards. Let's see. $15 mil to resign Zuk/Brassard and Krider. Krider will get 2 years $3 mil per. Brassard will get 2 years at $3.5 and Zuk will get 4 years at $4 per. That is $10.5 mil. we got some room still...

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:24 pm EST

One thing to also look at , is how the completion is fairing..have the Bruins, Pens, FLyers gotten stronger? has anybody really improved themselves 6yet? Still early

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:24 pm EST

Pouliot on NHL Network Radio said Brass and Zucc called him trying to get him resign. NYR would not give him multi-year deal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:23 pm EST

tanner glass is a clear upgrade from derek dorsett . he is capable of playing a regualr shift and can stand in with some of the toughest fighters. when was the last time derek dorsett won a fight . tanner glass is well known to av and he would have not been signed eothout av's endorsment. check out his fight with wayne simmknds in 2013. simmonds quit on him did not want to continue . we need talent but we have been sorely lacking in the toughness dept particularly the ability to answer the bell , this signing will in part remedy that .

docjay


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:23 pm EST

Hospo... Glass is Boyle's replacement. Carcillo is Dorsett's replacement. Anyway, it's just picking nits.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:22 pm EST

There goes one, IGINLA to the AVALANCHE

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:20 pm EST

ANDREI - I can see the 4th line being done with Fast, Carcillo, Glass, MIller..but, right now, huge holes wher RICHARDS and POULIOT were...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:19 pm EST

Still a bunch of decent players out there although Sather and his great cap management is probably maxed out after the monetarily huge Moore and Glass signings!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:19 pm EST

sorry, Center to replace Brad Richards

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:18 pm EST

still need a 3 forwards. RW to replace Poo, Center to replace BB and 4th line winger. Guess Carsilo will resign. Only option i see is that Rangers expect Miller and Fast to make it.

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:17 pm EST

Rabid: Flyers get a big cap break when Pronger goes on LTIR

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:16 pm EST

RHET - Can the Caps sign BOTH Orpik and Niskanen? That would be nuts..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:16 pm EST

Hospo: I don't think they want to lose him, HE wants to be a bigger part of a team. Maybe they still get him back in Pouliots spot....not sure on cap...depends on RFAs

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:15 pm EST

Niskanen reportedly down to TBL and #Caps. Maybe Stralman goes to the loser :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:14 pm EST

Higgy: If you have REALLY been paying attention, you would know that Strallman is more interested in KNOWING he will be in one place longer term. I bet he signs fore less AAV than people think, but with s NMC.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:14 pm EST

Rhet - Personally, I think Glass is Dorsett's replacement,,,,,unless Glass will be killing penalties and taking FOS out the yin yang....JMWO, buit the Rangers are gonna regret losing BOYLE come the POs, the only thing that matters in the NHL

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:14 pm EST

Stralman supposedly courted by Edmonton, Philly, though IDK where theyd get cap space from. Detroit, others. Speeza dealt but E. Staal, Jumbo not yet. Need a break. Crazy few hours.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:13 pm EST

Darren Dreger.... Nick Drazenovic resigns with Pitt 550/250 300.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:12 pm EST

JFC - Regarding the 4th line, I don't think you'll see BOTH Carcillo and Glass on it....My bet is FAST will join Moore while Glass or Carcillo take turns providing the lone physicality, although Fast does hit a little,.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:12 pm EST

Brian Boyle is done with the NYR. Glass is his replacement. There is no money left for him. Stralman's list of interested teams is shrinking. Edmonton is out on him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:12 pm EST

Where is this so called long term, big money contract for Stralman?

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:11 pm EST

insult to Moore, Dorsett, Boyle, Carcillo.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:10 pm EST

Vanek must like Minneapolis. It's way nicer than Long Island, I know that. Plus he stepped on his dick in the POs. Moving on ... it's funny here to see the B-Boyle love. We roasted the fucking guy for six months, now he's the new playoff key, a latter-day Pruster, until Pruster became the enemy. If B-Boyle is your difference maker, you've got troubles.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:10 pm EST

If we don't sign BB I assume it's because Sather felt he couldn't even afford tony him what THIS years salary was, so why bother. But, if that is the case, then have the respect to tell a loyal soldier that up front....don't just not answer him after his agent shows Sather what he THINKS a contract offer should be. I think Sather is doing just fine today.....maybe the 4th line becomes more of a BANGING line than it was before....less cycling, less offense but more HEAVY hitting and more fighting ability (Carcillo &'Glass). I think as long as AV can give them the minutes he wants to, he doesn't care about offense so much as long as they can "body punch" the other team and wear them down, while being defensively responsible.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:09 pm EST

IDK Rhetoric, but said the other day, Id be real interested in Lupol if Puliot walks.... which, he RAN to Edmonton for a fucking Brinks truck loaded with cash. Sick. Anyway, if we could find a fit. we need a LW, preferably a righty. Lupol makes big $, so maybe you can scoop him up cheap talent-wise. Sather not done supposedly;

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:09 pm EST

Rangers have $15,207,500 in cap space....... Brassard, Zucc, Kreider not inked yet, Carcillo not inked yet

mf


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:08 pm EST

Hmmm..MOULSON to BUFF for 5 years and 5 MILL AAV

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:08 pm EST

NJ Devils sign Martin Havlat for one year, $1.5M

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:07 pm EST

Glass at $1.45 million v. Havlat at $1.5 million...hmmm...

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:07 pm EST

Matt Moulson is going back to the #Sabres. He has signed a 5 year, $25M contract

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:06 pm EST

Ill trust AV on Glass; he had him for 2 years. we need bangers; cant expect them to be artists on the ice. Probably had to give him 3rd year cause others were after him for same reason.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:06 pm EST

You know, to me Glass and DOrsett is a wash, and that's fine..especially since AV likes him...One thing to remember,near the end of the Ranger Pen series, the beat writers in Pitt were giving the Pen players and coaches hell fore the selfish way they were playing and one of their big complaints was that Bylsmaa stopped playing GLASS until the final gme (I think)...Just some bitt ends.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:06 pm EST

A good day so far.......

kitchen1


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:05 pm EST

Per Hockey Insider.... Leafs are actively shopping Lupul I'm told... Anyone think the Leafs would be interested in Glass?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:04 pm EST

Let's get Carcillo re-signed, find a 2nd line center and call it a day. On day 2, we focus on the RFA's.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:03 pm EST

Mess: That's in part due to Bylsma thinking that you can win by playing the 1st and 2nd line every other shift and win the cup.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:03 pm EST

All you need to know about GLASS: he's signed for three years too many and did NOTHING to earn $1.45 million(which is $50,000 less than we're giving the Masterson Trophy winner).

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:03 pm EST

BOB - No, I don't think either is that talanted..Skaters and hitters..nothing more.

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:02 pm EST

HOSPO--so you think Dorsett was talented? He could skate, yes. That was about it.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:01 pm EST

Would Glass be our 4th line RW (or can Carcillo play either wing if we resign him?).

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:00 pm EST

Great to have Dom signed!

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:00 pm EST

My only recollection of Glass is him slamming people; Ill wait till he takes his first shift before I abuse him.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 1:00 pm EST

Moore at 2 years with 1.5 AAV? Good deal for the Rangers..and hats off to MOORE if he could have gotten more elsewhere

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:59 pm EST

remember this next time a GM complains about salaries; "$285M in first 90 minutes… RT"

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:58 pm EST

RF4L: Lets McI start for the Pack. If he does really well, there's no problem trading Klein away at the deadline next year or keeping him for real depth on D for the POs...

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:58 pm EST

Glass averaged less than 8:00 against us in our PO series

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:58 pm EST

Dom Moore at $1.5 Mil for 2 years is a terrific deal. Money well spent. Glass, not so much.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:58 pm EST

Could Moulson fit alongside Brassard and Zuke??

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:58 pm EST

Tanner Glass immediately becomes the new Wall whipping boy with that deal

Gibbo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:57 pm EST

RR: That Isles offer came last winter - could be this time around, no such deals were being offered, especially given his horrible PO showing with the Canadiens. It's still a lot of money....

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:57 pm EST

BOB - I'm ok with Glass, nothing more, but let's not go overboard with his more talented then Dorseett stuff..the guy has 18 goals since joining the league in 2007..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:56 pm EST

Wonder where Matt Mouslon and Brad Richards end up today...

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:56 pm EST

Glass is an AV guy obviously. If we gave Glass $1.45 per, why did we trade Dorsett again?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:56 pm EST

OK with the Moore deal...a little higher AAV than I would like but fair, HATE the Glass deal. 1 year OK, and for less, too much...too long. Hope I am wrong about it, but first impressions are that it sucks.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:56 pm EST

Hospo: Pure 4th liner who can skate and hits. He's a slight upgrade over DD I think, although he's not as likely to drop the gloves. Gawd, I hope McI makes it, but right now there's no room for him. Swap Stralman with Boyle and it's the same 6 as last year.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:55 pm EST

Next up- say hello to Steve Ott as your new 3rd line C....Not sure how I would take that but I am willing to bet on it...

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:55 pm EST

Id say the front office is hangin in so far today; taking some hits, looking to make a play. Still guys out there we can REALLY use. So Vanek ($19.5) walked away from 30.5 million to sign with Minnesota rather than the Isles ($50m)?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:54 pm EST

I know he can hit, but not understanding why te Rangers zeroed in on GLASS..They, including AV, must really like something about him.Oh well, better than no toughness!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:54 pm EST

Glass is a bigger and more talented version of Dorsett. So long as it is for the 4th line, I am fine with it. Still need a center.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:53 pm EST

I am ambivalent about the Glass signing. Wait and see attitude.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:53 pm EST

Glass likely an AV ask. coached him two years in Van.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:53 pm EST

Mess- Asham hit the bong more than anyone else on the ice. Glass had well over 200 hits last season and will PK and drop the gloves too. He, Moore and Carcillo on the 4th line is a good looking group. Replacing Brian Boyle will be tough however...

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:53 pm EST

Tanner Glass=Waste of space. Should have thrown that money at BOYLE. Not Dan either.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:52 pm EST

Good to have MOORE back on the 4th and fir two years.. and Glass is a hitter and team player (replace Dorsett I guess)..but neither move excites me all that much,,,

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:52 pm EST

damn it. just as Asham's contract expires, we actually pay more for Glass.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:51 pm EST

Glass.. 3years $1.45 Mil per

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:50 pm EST

DOM MOORE a NYR.... 2YEAR DEAL

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:50 pm EST

Bob: If true- I love it!

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:50 pm EST

Rotter saying we signed Glass to 3ye. deal

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:50 pm EST

AND TANNER GLASS at 3 years 1.5 mill AAV

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:49 pm EST

Dom Moore and Tanner Glass are Rangers

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:49 pm EST

Brooks saying we resigned Dom Moore

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:49 pm EST

ROBIDAS to Leafs--Didn't he have some nast injuries the last few years?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:49 pm EST

Dom Moore resigns with Rangers....

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:48 pm EST

The Dan Boyle deal is almost looking like a steal as the day goes on.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:48 pm EST

RHET - No argument there..At least they didn't go over 3 years

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:47 pm EST

Vanek's deal is not bad compared to Orpik, Pouliot and Cammalleri. Wow!

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:47 pm EST

Stephane Robidas to Leafs, says TSN

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:47 pm EST

Wow... Vanek to Wild - 3yrs. $6.5m per!

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:46 pm EST

so 19.5m for 3 yrs to vanek? Not crazy THIS is crazy; what Sather was talking about when he said teams intentionally overpay guys to reach cap floor; essentially giving away millions & inflating market; "Brian Gionta's new deal break down w/@BuffaloSabres : 3 yrs @ $4.25m AAV, full NMC in 1st 2 yrs, limited NTC in final season

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:46 pm EST

Hospo... After how invisible he was in the playoffs. He made Nash look like a star. 3-years, $6.5 per for Vanek.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:45 pm EST

Glass would be a Torts-era, Asham-like signing. abrupt departure from have a top-flight fourth line.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:45 pm EST

RHET - Given his time as a GOPHER, that one seemed ineveitable!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:44 pm EST

Staal and Nash to Toronto. Brodeur to the KHL!

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:44 pm EST

MDZ to Leafs?? Vrbata, too.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:43 pm EST

Vanek to Wild

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:43 pm EST

Hoping to jinx them--RIBERIO?? GRABOVSKI???

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:42 pm EST

Damn it BOB, I didn't want to jinx it with OTT...!!! :) Would love it...Ain't happening..:)

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:42 pm EST

i like Ott a lot, but I am not sure I would drop that kind of money on someone who really struggled last year

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:42 pm EST

Nick Kypreos ... Also hearing Redwings, Leafs strong interest on Robidas

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:41 pm EST

Wouldn't it be ironic if Iggy signs in Tampa? didn't he curse the nhl and the lightning after being robbed of a cup lol

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:41 pm EST

Steve Ott is still out there.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:40 pm EST

RHET - Really...That's a great paxckage for Chicago..12,5 mil per year for BOTH?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:40 pm EST

Per Larry Brooks.... (Dan) Boyle agent George Bazos tells Post: "We told teams that if Rangers made offer, decision wasn't going to be about money."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:40 pm EST

Nashville supposed other team after Vanek; But who knows... TSNBobMcKenzie; COL, MIN, TB, VAN still in on Jarome Iginla

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:40 pm EST

According to Brooksie - Boyle agent George Bazos tells Post: "We told teams that if Rangers made offer, decision wasn't going to be about money."

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:39 pm EST

I would love it if Sather was trying to trade Nash. Toronto is striking out today. Maybe they want to make a splash.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:39 pm EST

Interesting that the Defensive Defensemen (Orpik, Stralman) are getting the big money. Years ago, only Offensive defensemen commanded big bucks. I think Poulie got great $$-a guy who played 5 yrs on 5 teams-but may never play that well without the chemistry he had with Zucc & Brassy. Chemistry is absolutely huge in hockey.

puckyou


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:39 pm EST

Kane and Toews are apparently "really close" to finalizing a deal that will earn them a combined 88 mil over 7 years

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:38 pm EST

Hiller to CGY.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:37 pm EST

Per Sportsnet... VANEK down to two teams.. Minnesota and another team. Chicago or Leafs believed to have some interest in Brad Richards.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:35 pm EST

Keith Aulie...800K...1 Year... In Edmonton..... Fedun signs w/SJ Sharks

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:35 pm EST

RHET - I love IGGY..Had a real strong year last year too...Could do worse, bit I think right now a center is more important....Right now, from the top 3 lines that went to the Cu[p finals we are down 2 players and the entire Moore-Boyle-Dorset line....Hmmmm

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:35 pm EST

Gotta say today is living up to it; just wish we'd get some forwards, cause we're missing two in Top 9 right now....plus BB/DD holes..... lot of big name forwards still haven't signed; probably some fierce bidding going on....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:34 pm EST

Well too bad about Perreault. Sure do not want JumBlo Joe. Rather send Nash there than bring him here. Get me Pavelski.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:33 pm EST

David Pagnotta .... Blue Jackets trade Frattin to Toronto for D'Amigo

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:32 pm EST

IGGY has said that he will be listening to offers, but will only accept 2-year deal. He said the only club he will do a 1-year incentive laiden deal with is Boston.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:30 pm EST

Holy shit that Orpik $$$ is ridiculous!

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:29 pm EST

Hospo: Hows your Cigar-chomping skill? Get in the GM seat will ya!!!! ;p

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:28 pm EST

I hate that twerp Gionta but a good vet-leadership move for Buff, who could be historically bad this year but have multitudes of yoots and picks, with McDavid waiting. I hope to hell Slats gets Joe Thornton because we have zero offense right now, with Nash a shadow and MSL a safe bet for Rangeritis.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:27 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun &#8207;@Real_ESPNLeBrun · 1m Winnipeg Jets sign Mathieu Perreault, 3 years x $3 M per year

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:26 pm EST

Im wit ya on BB over DB Hospo. practical no-brainer, don't give a hoot about the $. were plenty of other monies to move around....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:25 pm EST

Orpik deal is old, money is not ....Brooks Orpik 5-yrs, $27.5M.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:25 pm EST

PATRICK - Gladly!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:24 pm EST

Steve Downie anyone?

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:24 pm EST

Pens sign Blake Comeau to a one-year deal at $700K.... Perreault to Jets

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:24 pm EST

GLASS is the TYPE of Player we need, niot sure he's the right individual though...Please sign BOYLE instead of Moore for 3 years

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:22 pm EST

Also liked Diaz. This Kosta move replaces Falk. Also seeing people say, if you had a Boyle No. 22 jersey you're still in luck. Ouch. Hurts losing the big guy.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:22 pm EST

ORPIK a CAP, or is that old news....Where di NISKANEN end up?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:21 pm EST

Blake Comeau for 700K to the Fing Pens!!!! Damn I like that kid. Would have been a great fit for us

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:21 pm EST

3-years $4.25 per for Gionta... Oilers agree to terms with defenceman Keith Aulie on a one-year contract.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:20 pm EST

Hope the Moore post is true and the glass post is fake.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:20 pm EST

RF4L - Exactly with the Pysie comparison

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:20 pm EST

Don't want Vrbata. Would rather have kept Diaz than Kostka.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:19 pm EST

Gionta signs in Biffalo....RR... A pretty solid rumor guy I follow on twitter. Again, nothing confirmed. It could be Sather just kicking tires. I think we're going to sign Grabovski, but what do I know.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:19 pm EST

see people saying DMoore resigns, 3yrs, NTC. but NOT official. Maybe Glass too.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:18 pm EST

Gionta signs with Buff

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:15 pm EST

RF4L, simple. we don't resign Brian B. we have about 4mil for the center. i have a feeling that Hags might be going to SJ

andrei


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:13 pm EST

wheres that from Rhetoric? the Thorton thingy?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:13 pm EST

PIT signs Blake Comeau to 1 year @ $700K and Thomas Greiss, one year at $1M

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:12 pm EST

Per Nick Kypreos.... Leafs in on Dom Moore. Leadership a priority.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:12 pm EST

Kypreos reporting Leafs are in on Dom Moore...

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:12 pm EST

Rhet: How could Sather fit Jumbo Joe's contract under the cap, especially with the addition of Boyle's?

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:11 pm EST

only half believe it.... New York Rangers Rumors: Joe Thornton Trade Picking Up Steam

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:10 pm EST

Dallas tryin to do..... somethin'...... the kid they have I love is Nishkushkin. 6-4 and looks like Rick Nash,,, you know, used to look.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:10 pm EST

RR - Vrbata would be a nice signing to replace Pouliot. Seems like Rangers have taken care of the D, already set in goal so now can focus on what to do with the forwards

Gibbo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:09 pm EST

Harvey Fialkov ..... Panthers have signed backup goalie Al Montoya and enforcer type Shawn Thornton acc. to source..... Coyotes sign Joe Vitale for 3 years, worth $3.35M

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:08 pm EST

Hospo: Kinda like Pysie....no??

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:07 pm EST

R Miller gets 3 years 5.5.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:06 pm EST

Stars have signed G Anders Lindback to a 1 year deal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:06 pm EST

id like to grab Vrbata on a 1-2 yr deal right now. Throw him on LW. Don't want to start year short-handed. but some of this may take till deadline to fully address.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:05 pm EST

Hemsky signs with STARS

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:05 pm EST

RHET - David MOSS sounds like strong possibility if only because I can't stand his game...Big, not neccesarily fast, and doesn't hit much at all.,,,,Can cyle a little, and the Rangers like that..Kinda like when Boyle was Boitano..So, who knows?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:05 pm EST

SJSharks trade Brad Stuart to Avs for a 2nd and 6th round pick.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:05 pm EST

Oh, this is encouraging LOL; "Kostka, 28, is 6-1, 210 and has played 63 games in the NHL in his career with 4 goals, 15 assists and 35 PIM. He is a right shot defenseman. The Hockey News says “Journeyman puck-moving defenseman with a little upside.”

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:04 pm EST

Ryan Miller to Canucks is now official

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:03 pm EST

Hospo/Ranger47 - Would LOVE to see us resign BB AND Moore... but yeah, the numbers swirling out there have to be nuts. In Boyle's case, he has to know he might never EVER get this chance again. How often do you get lauded on a national scale like making a cup run - especially when you are not a scorer? You have to think he is looking for the best contract he can get at this point. Too bad, though, once of my favorites - tons of heart that does so many little things that are going to be hard to replace.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:02 pm EST

NMC for D Boyle with NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:02 pm EST

Stepan was the Rangers number 1 center this year and they went to the cup finals....

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:02 pm EST

Hospo- Same page buddy!!!! I am worried this team will get sandpapered off the ice. We'll never be able to clear the crease in front of Hank unless big Mac is ready... Still no face off % guys and no grit...how much are we going to have to pay for it is the question....

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:01 pm EST

Rangers are rumored to be close to re-signing Dom Moore.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:01 pm EST

didn't have time before but glad to hear Carcillo probable to return. need him.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:01 pm EST

Boyle played 19:00 this season and did fine. No need to limit.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:00 pm EST

Rangers are talking to David moss maybe he signs for cheap a nice 3/4 liner with size

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:00 pm EST

PATRICK - Lets hope the hell not with Lindberg or the Rangers will be scrambling two months into the season..Agree on all the rest....Still a bit soft and unbalanced up the middle..and no grit on the 4th yet........Maybe there is still some thought for a significant C?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:59 am EST

That center corps is a corpse. Slats has to have a deal planned for Thornton or somebody. I hope so. Derek Stepan your No. 1 center?

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:59 am EST

JFC- no, I mean it's a joke that strals wants the same amount that got us Boyle. They are night and day in terms of game impact.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:59 am EST

If you missed it.... Isles solidify goaltender, ink ex-Bruin Chad Johnson to 2-year deal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:57 am EST

Ryan Miller to Van makes sense for all.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:57 am EST

Mathieu Perreault next up for Splats.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:57 am EST

Ranger47 - I'm still hoping on BRIAN BOYLe, he' the one UFA I thought the Rangers had to ressign...I still do..But those bucks must be crazy!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:56 am EST

Lindberg likely going to be a 3rd line C. Hopefully Moore is back on as our 4th line C with Carcillo, Hopefully Glass and a Tootoo/Westgarth 1yr signing. We have ZERO grit...our boys will get run all year long and never make it to the playoffs...Step is our 1st line C. He better STEP UP!!!!

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:56 am EST

Orpik has signed with the capitals

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:56 am EST

If you're limiting Dan Boyle's ice because he's 1,000 years old, this pushes Klein or J. Moore to the second pair and that's not good. And who knows about McI? So we have McD, Girardi, Staal, Klein, J. Moore, D. Boyle, McI.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:55 am EST

Ryan Miller looks to be going to the Canucks.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:55 am EST

RF4L - true, but I don't even get wasting a penny on him right now..Oh well

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:55 am EST

Time to resign Richards and trade for Lecavalier. Then we will have the entire TBL Cup team...I think Dingman will come out of retirement and Khabi would be a much better improvement over Hank :p

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:54 am EST

As with POULIOT, amazed that BOLLAND got 5 years at 5.5 mill AAV!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:54 am EST

And...Brian Boyle was arguably our best PK man - so the loss of his FOs in the defensive zone will doubly hurt us....

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:54 am EST

James Mirtle..... Canadiens sign free agent forward Jiri Sekac. Had solid year in KHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:54 am EST

Kostka's deal is 1 year at $650,000. Pure depth.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:54 am EST

Ranger47 - Oh, I'm with you... we need to resign Dom Moore, IMO. I think Boyle is going to get max dollars somewhere else, TBH. I don't think we have a shot... but hopefully Dom... hopefully.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:53 am EST

D Boyle replaces Stralman AND Richards (on the PP).

Ola


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:53 am EST

RF4L - Yep, those are the two players I'm talking about...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:53 am EST

So Boyle replaces Stralman, but where are the replacements for the 4th line, not to mention the 3rd line center spot....

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:53 am EST

With Boyle and St. Louis, the rangers have all their BIG PIECES in place..it's now about the 1 or 2 players to make it a complete team..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:53 am EST

Z: True. But Boyle and Moore took a ton of key defensive zone draws which need to be replaced...

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:53 am EST

Bolland 5yrs. at $5.5mil to Florida

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:52 am EST

Bolland gets $5.5 for 5 years from Panthers

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:52 am EST

Who plays center for the NYR these days? With BR and BB gone we're a bit thin. Just a bit. Also 35 goals leave with BR and Pouliot, not that I'm lamenting their departure, but Hank better have a 1.25 GAA this year.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:52 am EST

Pierre LeBrun &#8207;@Real_ESPNLeBrun · 2m Dan Boyle left a lot of money on the table elsewhere, really wanted to be with Rangers / Sharks deal Stuart to Avs.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:52 am EST

Mess11 -- yeah, but Strals was not going to help our PP. I think it's a good/needed signing....it helps dress and open wound on this team that has cost us dearly in the past 3 seasons. If Boyle raises our PP % a few points, he'll be well worth it.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:51 am EST

Ranger47 - Taking Richards out of the FO equation is addition by subtraction. ;-)

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:51 am EST

Dan Boyle also wears 22... so at least NYR fans with Boyle jersey's wont have to change.... WINGS offered D Boyle more money.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:51 am EST

One thinhg about KOSCO, it gives MCI an easier path to the show..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:51 am EST

Pierre LeBrun &#8207;@Real_ESPNLeBrun 1m More Dan Boyle left a lot of money on the table elsewhere, really wanted to be with Rangers

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:50 am EST

Stralman's getting 23-25M....definitely, if Niskanan is getting 49! different types but both RhD men. crazy crazy....Hey, we're still missing two 4th liners.....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:50 am EST

Want Dom Moore resigned. If we lose both him and B Boyle we lose our 2 best faceoff men (an area we were not great in even with them). Is Glass (or someone else you think we can get) good in that area?

Ranger47


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:50 am EST

To me you can't dislike the Boyle signing and like the MSL acquisition. They are similar moves in terms of where Sather is pushing the Rangers. Said it before, will say it again: I sure hope McI makes the club this fall. What he brings to the table is needed now more than ever for the Rangers IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:50 am EST

So far I am OK with this day. Boyle has something left in him. Don't get wasting anything on Kostka but maybe he replaces Falk on the pine.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:49 am EST

Patrick- That many, OK, I'll reconsider! Just every time I saw him play, he was meh....But we do need some banging ond toughness Agreed.,

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:49 am EST

I bet Stralls gets more years and more $$$.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:48 am EST

I'm ok with D Boyle. Not crazy about the money but that's the name of the game today. Only 2 years and it completes the top 6, replaces Stralman & replaces Richards on the power play point. Hopefully he's got enough left in the tank to be productive.

Gibbo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:48 am EST

Glass had over 200 hits last yr....who is doing the hitting on this team again? Zucc?

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:47 am EST

I think Kostka is our new #8

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:47 am EST

Yeah.... especially manage his icetime.... LOL... hey. a pure BLESSED Rhd pointy man for the first time since Sergei Zubov (honorable mention to Rosie, he wasn't awful). I don't give a shit how old he is, run the PP!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:47 am EST

SCREW GLASS, can fo better then that...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:46 am EST

Boyle great signing. We are set at D now. For same or more money we could have stood pat with Stralman? What a joke. Kostka a waste.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:46 am EST

Panthers sign Dave Bolland

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:46 am EST

I think Kostka is some stiff who couldn't make it on the Leafs blue line. Oh well. Another year fighting for 8th, with a crap offense. Comforting consistency I guess.

Nick


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:46 am EST

It feels like BRYAN McCABE all over again.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:46 am EST

Thanks RABID? Defensive type or Offensive?..Yes, I'm too lazy!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:45 am EST

Resign the RFA's & Moore and sign Glass then close up shop

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:45 am EST

Brooks saying Boyle left significant amount of money on the table to sign with us...

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:45 am EST

I guess "where there's smoke there's fire" finally applies to Sather-D. Boyle. Lots of folks poo-pood the idea around here.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:45 am EST

BOYLE at 2 years and 4.5 per? Not a horrendous risk..manage his ice time and let him run the PP..It could work out well

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:45 am EST

depth dude Hospo. 63 nhl games, 6-2 Rhd d-man. from TB

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:45 am EST

Jussi Jokinen to Florida, 4 years for $16 million.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:44 am EST

Boyle left a significant amount of money on table to sign with NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:44 am EST

Well, we got our PPQB....let's hope his walker is oiled! ;^)

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:43 am EST

OK, what is a MIKE KOSKA?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:43 am EST

Saying Mason Raymond to Flames for 3yrs. $9.5mil overall.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:43 am EST

2 YEARS 9 MILL

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:43 am EST

Z - I think you have to sign vets instead of counting on questionmarks like Fast, Lindberg and Miller..It's great if the get "it" this year..but you count on them and all three don't (a possibility), the Rangers are screewedd

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:42 am EST

is it real this time? everyone has it. guessin so. had to be done.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:42 am EST

Saying Boyle is 2yr $4.5 per

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:42 am EST

brooks confims BOYLE TO NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:42 am EST

Dan Boyle is a Ranger.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:42 am EST

Zipay saying we signed Boyle

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:41 am EST

Billy Jaffe...... Mike Kostka to NYR too

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:41 am EST

wont even post on jussi. itll be up there before I hit spray haha.... quite the flurry....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:41 am EST

Dan Boyle a Ranger

puckyou


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:40 am EST

GILBERT almost 3 MILL per year for two years....UFAs ain't cheap...Gotta pony up

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:40 am EST

GILBERT almost 3 MILL per year for two years....UFAs ain't cheap...Gotta pony up

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:40 am EST

Hospo - Ah, but here we are - do you sign schleps or give kids a chance? Could Klein step up and Mcllrath work his ass up to a 3rd pairing spot? Could Miller find consistency? Could Fast play with Brass and Zuch? All questions we might end up having at the end of today at these prices.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:40 am EST

Capitals sign Matt Niskanen to a 4 year/$20 million dollar contract.”

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:40 am EST

Blowhard Burke would not deal Cammalleri at the deadline, so now loses him for nothing. What a clown.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:39 am EST

Elliotte Friedman &#8207;@FriedgeHNIC · 1m Mike Cammalleri to NJD, 5/25. Now I see Statsny got 7 yrs. ?!!More crazy.....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:38 am EST

Tom Gilbert to MON

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:38 am EST

Thought Lou would have learned from the CLOWE contract last year. Now CAMMALLERI. Oh well, let's sign ORPIK.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:38 am EST

Blues already a lot better letting Roy morrow go, getting Stastny, the two euro leaguers. Still have to move a D, either jackman or leopold

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:38 am EST

Cammaleri to Devils and Tom Gilber,err, not to NY!!

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:37 am EST

5x5 for Cammalleri? Really? Wow!

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:37 am EST

David Pagnotta &#8207;.... Cammalleri signs a 5-year, $25M deal with New Jersey

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:37 am EST

Cammaleri 5 for $5 to the Debs...

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:37 am EST

Per Brooks,...Rangers continuing talks with Dom Moore... Pens were in on POO

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:37 am EST

So did Toronto, Hospo! LOL. Boyle mustve used the old Mike Keenan-fax trick ...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:37 am EST

Z - frightening yes, but it happens every year..You either have the money or the prospects..It's looking like the Rangers don't have the money,,and I don't think they have the prospects (Miller, Fast, Linberg) for this year..They have to sign some schlepps

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:35 am EST

Stastny 4-years 7 mil...Hospo... erroneous call on Boyle

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:35 am EST

shit yeah Rhet? Ok hey, whatever..... that was quick....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:35 am EST

4 years for Stastny..Good term

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:35 am EST

Hospo man... Sadly, I don't know if we are going to end up having that much of a choice... some of these numbers are frightening to say the least.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:34 am EST

RABID - it could have been something a lot worse tan "bicks" :)

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:34 am EST

Stastny to Blues

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:34 am EST

Wait, I thought BOYLE signed with TOR?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:33 am EST

Capitals signed Justin Peters per @andystrickland

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:33 am EST

I still think Dan Boyle will be a Ranger.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:32 am EST

that is a lot of bicks Hospo!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:32 am EST

Habs trade D Josh Gorges to the Sabres.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:31 am EST

$49m for Matt Niskanen? Uh, no thanks. That's where youre better off signing a Dan Boyle (and another aging vet 2 years later to replace him). And TB is apparently out of that race. Leaving NYR-TOR?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:30 am EST

Is NISKANEN THAT good? never thought of him much offensively until this past year..and coult it be the Penguin effect? That's a lot of years and bicks

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:28 am EST

MacTavish must be as clueless as Kevin Lowe. No more buyouts, so they are stuck with Pouliot regardless of his performance.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:28 am EST

Amazing what one year can do for your value...5 years??? I just don't trust the guy and his conssitency

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:28 am EST

Hearing lots on Matt Niskanen right now. Can confirm was offered 7 yrs $7 mill by Lightning but @Real_ESPNLeBrun reporting he signed w/Wings

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:27 am EST

Edmonton now has all their key players locked up for long term..........Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Hall and BENOIT POULIOT!

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:25 am EST

Z - I don't think we have it from within...JMWO

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:25 am EST

Ok, gettin' a little crazy now haha.... we gonna, you know, fucking sign anyone?!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:25 am EST

It looks like Brian Boyle will be getting a 5-year deal as well. Could POO have gone to a worse team for him? IMO, he'll be bought out within 2 years after he reverts to his former self.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:25 am EST

Michalek 4 Mill AAV..crazy but real

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:25 am EST

Hosps - I don't know... I, for one, never thought Stralls would do what he did until he got a chance. I see similarities in their games. For me, I would just don't see how we are even going to get a sniff with prices like these flying around. We might have to learn to step up from within.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:24 am EST

The money is nuts, but it's also reality...I hope Sather realizes that and doesn't hurt the Rangers with thumb up his ass stubbornness..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:22 am EST

So long Poo... what a ridiculous contract, as was Callahan's in Tampa....Both teams will regret these... OIlers sooner I suspect

sjw


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:22 am EST

Dan Boyle gone to Toronto-not gonna see that PP defenseman

puckyou


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:22 am EST

Z - I was a big fan of KLEIN's deal, but I think he leaves something to be desired as a 2nd Pair Dman

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:22 am EST

Boyle: ouch. //// Blues in hard on Stastny. Lehtera as a frmr 3rd rounder of theirs who lit up KHL last few seasons.

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:21 am EST

Dan Boyle to TO NOT CONFIRMED. Still available. Bogus report.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:21 am EST

2 years and $9 Million for Boyle. Hard to believe Sather was not in on that one. They will be putting the full court press on Brady to sign for sure.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:20 am EST

We might be better off moving Klein up to the 2nd pairing with Mark and looking for one of our kids on the third - this shit seems a little nutty today.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:20 am EST

There ain't much out there for offneive D-men in UFA....if Sather wants one....NISKANEN is about it....Now, defensively, you have ORPIK......Unless he pulls that rabbit in a trade

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:19 am EST

No Dan Boyle either? Now this gets interesting. You had to figure Dan Boyle, Fayne were 2 fallbacks after Stralman. Not anymore.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:19 am EST

wow, he passed on Boyle too? here comes Tom Gilbert (or similar) LOL; unless they go nuts for Niskanen...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:18 am EST

Bob - probably on the Oilers at 6 yrs. $36mil - 6mil per... lol.

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:18 am EST

2 years $9 MIL FOR D Boyle

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:18 am EST

WOW, and no Boyle on D either..Hmm...what's Sather thinking?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:18 am EST

and that's why we were out. cant kill Sather with #'s like these...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:17 am EST

Er $4 million. Still too much.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:17 am EST

Wow... have a feeling this is going to be a friggin' insane day...

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:17 am EST

Good for Pouliot. $20MM! Big time wow. Oilers throwing money around so far. Wonder where Stralman will end up.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:17 am EST

Dan Boyle to Leafs

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:17 am EST

C'est La Vie, re: POULIOT. Five years at five million? That's something they'll come to regret. Good riddance to Mark FAYNE too. Even after 20 years, the Oilers are still doing us favors.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:17 am EST

Always thought we would sign just ONE of our UFAs...Moore or Boitano? on neither?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:16 am EST

4 mil per for Poo...crazy.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:15 am EST

Hospo: Not all to do with money. If he wanted a full NMC for 4 years...WOW Pouliot 5 years 20 mil....yikes did he cash in!

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:15 am EST

And fpr 4 M<Ill AAV...Crazy

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:15 am EST

Double holy shit - 5yrs at $20mil - $4mil per... WOW! Good for Pouls!

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:15 am EST

Wow, 5 years for POULIOT..risky, risky, risky...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:14 am EST

Holy shit - they are saying Pouliot signed a 5 year deal with the Oilers!

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:14 am EST

EDM signs POULIOT and FAYNE

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:13 am EST

Oilers agree to terms with defenceman Mark Fayne on a four-year contract and winger Benoit Pouliot on a five-year contract.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:13 am EST

Rangers would avoid extra 3 years going Boyle over Stralman. Oilers after him. He's getting 5-yr deal somewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:13 am EST

Not a bad price for Erhoff....CAPS looking hard at ORPIK...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:12 am EST

Polis: I'm perfectly content to let you dwindle into anonymity. It's when you post BS when you're going to hear it from me. Keep it clean, keep it logical and keep me out of it and you'll never hear from me again. In fact, I'd prefer it that way.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:12 am EST

Stralman just got too high..But how much more will Dan Boyle cost?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:11 am EST

1 year, $4 mil for Erhoff.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:11 am EST

yeah. Pens are losing Niskanen.....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:10 am EST

Stralman just got too high..But how much more will Dan Boyle cost?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:10 am EST

Erhoff and Letang?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:09 am EST

Pierre LeBrun,,, Stralman's agent Marc Levine says Rangers are officially out on his client.... Blues sign Jori Lehtera on a two year deal per Darren Dreger

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:09 am EST

ok Rhet, its all yours :) No sense both of us doin it LOL

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:09 am EST

Good for St. Manny..I forgot about him..still a very solid FACE off man and 4th liner..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:08 am EST

Rangers out on Stralman per PLeonard; Penguins sign Christian Ehrhoff

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:08 am EST

So would Dan Boyle get third pair minutes and first pair PP minutes / increased minutes if the Rangers are down late in a game? Is that the play here with Dan Fuckin 38 Special Boyle?

TradeStar28


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:08 am EST

As per @TSNBobMcKenzie, Penguins sign Christian Ehrhoff

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:08 am EST

Hospo - With you there, but this is a strange time of year... we went to the cup - teams love thinking that it becomes a blueprint on how to make a run. Now, I bet you A LOT more teams are looking to construct a more capable fourth line that can be counted on in all situations. I'm up here in Boston and they cut loose a fan-favorite in Thornton with the explanation that they needed to do exactly that. Makes you wonder on the numbers that will be hanging around there. Not to mention, Moore was a great story. He's in the collective consciousness. You have to think that it is going to take him (not his agent) showing some loyalty to the sweater in order to pass up some of the numbers that I bet will be hanging around out there. Wouldn't blame him - guys like him (and Boyle, and Stralls, and Pouls) will probably never get a better chance to take care of themselves and their families financially. At that point, you just never know and better not get caught with your hand down your pants (SLATS).

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:07 am EST

Canadiens sign Malhotra

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:07 am EST

I have a feeling that we will have a 38YO d-man soon. I bet the Rangers have decided to let Stralman walk in favor of Dan Boyle.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:06 am EST

NYR making Push for Dan Boyle as per Larry Brooks

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:04 am EST

_Brooksie Told that Rangers will make significant push for Dan Boyle…

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:02 am EST

Oops, "rabbit ot of his hat" :)....No problem with Carcilo, but I sure wouldn't mind a legitimate big tough fuy for 40 games or so during the season...maybe closer to camp..

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:02 am EST

Hospo, saw where Ott might head back to Buffalo (and Moulson back to Isles), since they never got a crack at Callahan.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:01 am EST

TRADE - I hear ya, but couldn't disagree more on the feelings towards the UFAs..That's how the NHL operates and if the GM leaves himself unable to compete and can only play the bogus winning/loyalty card, the blame is on the GM..But, Sather is not alone.....still wouldn't be surprised if he pulled a rabbit out of his ass for an unexpected trade...

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 11:00 am EST

11:55AM: Dan Carcillo’s agent and the Rangers are in negotiations but as of now they are not close to a deal yet. (Pat Leonard) Carcillo is expected to return after the Rangers traded Derek Dorsett. He will be a UFA at 12PM and had a cap hit of $825,000 last season with an actual salary of $850,000

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:58 am EST

Rangers are negotiating with Dan Carcillo.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:58 am EST

Z - Perrault is indeed descent (I watched him a lot in Washington)..very good at FOs and the little things..Could be a replacement for Moore? (oops, shouldn';t have said that!) But might as well sign Moore, no?

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:57 am EST

Screw Boyle, Poiliot and Stralman.....if they don't want cap friendly deals and to build upon last year then the hell with them,,,,,,,,At the same time, the Rangers inherited that tug boat contract of Nash's and I am sure that is what motivates the rest of the schmucky player agents to use as a bargaining chip since Nash hasn't done DICK in the playoffs when needed. Even Henrik was probably like, "Fuck this dummy Nash gets $7.8MM a year? How can I ask for only $8MM?"..........Even when the Rangers lost the SCF finals game 5 and were eliminated in Double OT.....Henrik was crying in his stall after the game because guys like Nash, MSL, and Richards couldn't bury the fuckin chances..........Even Kreider has a ton of opportunities in the 3 OTs games......but he went limp dick once he started to get labeled as a goalie runner by his the league and writers.....so what does he do? He fuckin takes snap shots on the goddamn breakaway to the short side every time instead of making a move........Oh well.....This is life (as a Rangers fan)

TradeStar28


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:56 am EST

Happy Canada Day to all my friends across the border :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:55 am EST

And so it is set to begin--again,,,I have no doubt that the Rangers will sign players that I do not like/want (Tanner GLASS comes to mind) but that doesn't mean the moves will work out bad...We shall see....GIBBO and I were talking OTT yesterday, would love to have him..Not sure of money and years though..Don't begrudge any of Moore, Strals, Boyle and Pouliot playing the field..This is their Golden Ticket and what they have worked hard for (well, at least three of them).....

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:53 am EST

Would be thrilled if Slats went out and got Mathieu Perreault. He never really got a fair shake in Washington and I saw a lot of him on the Ducks (Getz was on my fantasy team so I found myself tuning in.) He is one of those players that maximizes his time on the ice. He is always 'in' the play no matter what. You just end up hearing his name a lot more than you would expect when you see his time on the ice. 43 pts for the Ducks last year isn't anything to sneeze at, especially since they tend to ride the Getz-Perry pairing in just about every situation. I think the Brass comparison is pretty legit, but Perreault is sneaky - not as pretty. He just 'appears' in the right spot and usually finds a way to do something with it. Regardless, would provide great value and a nice add even if we wanted to flip him somewhere down the line if we find ourselves a little one-dimensional. His type of talent flies under the radar and there is always room for that. Let's Go Rangers!

Z


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:51 am EST

Ottawa still actively looking to deal; Bobby Ryan anyone? Not an awful replacement for Pouliot.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:44 am EST

Pat Leonard &#8207;@PLeonardNYDN 1m More #NYR's web site has erased Pouliot, Boyle, D. Moore and Stralman from its 2013-14 stats page. Weird. Can you do that? http://rangers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?gameType=2&season=20132014 …

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:41 am EST

Stralman agent Marc Levine: ``Anton will head to FA market if we do not hear from Rangers within next 10 minutes.''

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:38 am EST

Rangers traded their first rounders for rest of history. Not today TD, okay? Not now.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:35 am EST

Mathieu Perrault? Would be nice value, very talented, great skater and a puck possession guy. Ducks don't need him anymore with the Kesler acquisition. A lot like Brassard, but I bet he would at least replace the points lost with the Richards buyout.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:34 am EST

Rangers dangling Miller? Yep. They were dangling Kreider too. And Lundqvist. And the rights to all their first rounders for the rest of history. I see someone on the wall is connected! Bravo!

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:33 am EST

Bob: There are many reports that Stralman was offers a 3 year, 9-10 mil deal and said no. His agent came out later and said it wasn't true...but it was a cryptic saying it wasn't true, like "no official deal was offered" so that leaves room that there was talk and he was a no go for it. Pouliot was made an offer as well right after the cup finals, and I read someplace that he was set on testing FA. Boyle I imagine would have turned down any deal until after the playoffs....if they won the cup the world changes, and making the finals changed things for him, and he wants a bigger role. I do not think Sather could have extended them during the season, he tried with Strallmen it seems and was shot down, and I don't think anyone was fully sold on Pouliot, or if they wanted Boyle back until the playoffs showed he is of more value, and even Moore, mid season could anyone have been SURE you wanted him for 2 more years? In truth, Sather didn't mess this up...

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:24 am EST

JFC - Liked PERREAULT with the Caps, but he's WAY too small for the Rangers...not if they think FAST and KRISTO have futures with the team. Rangers need size and more importantly, GRIT if they're losing Bolyer and Pouliot...plus the loss of Dorsett.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:24 am EST

Chiasson is huge, started season with 9 goals 9 games, something like that. Not sure what happened to him after that. Pretty big for OTT considering box they were in. No wonder us dangling Miller didnt get it done.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:21 am EST

RF4L - Agreed, re: KOMAROV. He's what the doctor ordered. Not sure if they could get him on the cheap or not though.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:17 am EST

Wouldn't mind BERTUZZI on the fourth line. I would take any guy from Detroit.

Higgy21


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:14 am EST

Agreed Spezza ups the Stars potential considerably. There he won't be the focus - it might help him a lot. Not sure about their backline, however. Apparently they are looking at Boyle (Dan), too.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:14 am EST

Gotta say, the Starts didn't pay much of Spezz...CHAISSON, GUPTILL, Nick PAUL and a second...Chais and Guptill are the only ones at risk of being regular NHL players.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:14 am EST

11:06AM: Dallas sends Alex Chiasson, Alex Guptill and Nicholas Paul, with a second round pick in 2015, for Spezza. (Bob McKenzie) 11:03AM: Pending a trade call, Jason Spezza has been traded to the Dallas Stars. (Bruce Garrioch) The deal is reportedly three forwards and a draft pick. (Mike Keika)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:14 am EST

"The 26-year old Perreault had 18g, 25a last season (4g, 5a on the power play), while averaging just 13:25 of ice time in 69 games. Perreault has averaged a Corsi % in the low 50s his entire career (was in Washington before Anaheim) so he fits the mold of an AV player. He’s also very comfortable in the faceoff circle as he had a 52.7% success rate last season. He’d likely come cheap as he just finished a two-year, $1.050 per contract." This is exactly the kind of guy Sather should be able to come up with to replace a guy like Pouliot. Yeah, I know this guy could possibly replace Richards but his stats were accomplished with less 14 minutes if ice time per game....not bad at all. If Zipay is correct, then Sather is doing exactly what I hoped for....simply filling in on the 4th line....and he'll be able to find a replacement for Poo too. Really, heat is Poo a legend now....he had a nice season....that's it....nice. Not great, nice. Save money with guys like Perreault, Glass, etc. and splurge on a PPQB.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:13 am EST

My 4th line list: Ott, McClement, Tootoo

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:09 am EST

Forgot about Leo Komorov - he played 2 years ago for the Leafs then went back to Russia last year, but wants back for next year. He's an UFA and would be a good fit on the Rangers 4th line. He's a relentless hitter who drives goalies nuts. I've no idea what sort of contract he's looking for, however.

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:09 am EST

I meant to say with SPEZZA as their #2 behind SEGUIN....

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:08 am EST

Steve Zipay &#8207;@stevezipay 4m More As mentioned in Newsday, NYR will rebuild fourth line with FAs, prospects

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:08 am EST

If the SPEZZA report is true that is a great place for him. Depending on what the Stars gave up I would say that landing SPEZZA would be a huge addition for them. With SPEZZA as their #1 behind SEGUIN the Stars all of the sudden look good up the middle. Their lack of a #2 Center hurt them last year. This gives them exactly what they need and puts them in the mix moving forward in the West. They are a young team with a lot of talent in their system.

Vic


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:07 am EST

The Rangers NEED Miller to work out. I don't think there is any question about it. Sad to lose our guys, but as it appears the Rangers remain committed to Nash, there is no other alternative. Too bad. Again, all 4 should get all they can. That's how the game is played. Sather chooses to let guys get to UFA or close before signing them, guaranteeing that he pays more. Look at Girardi, Dan. He could have locked up Stralman earlier, probably all 4 of them but chose not to. He will play hardball with the RFA's again. That's his MO. So we'll see how adept he is at plugging the leaks his approach causes. Last year was good. We'll see how this year turns out.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:06 am EST

Mess - A powerhouse of what? Underachievers? Maybe we should tell them NASH is available.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:04 am EST

And I'd rather move Stu Bickel to wing than sign Tanner GLASS. If we're reverting to the 2012 Rangers with only two lines, he's a good signing.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:02 am EST

stars building powerhouse

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:01 am EST

Messier11 - hah...Seguin and Spezza...good luck with that, Dallas!

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:00 am EST

This is actually really good news. Colin is a great goalie and a good kid: "Minnesota lost to Union, 7-4, in the NCAA title game. Ironically, Union's goalie, Colin Stevens, is at the Rangers' camp as a free agent."

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:00 am EST

lebrun saying moore boyle stralman pouliot all going to market

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 10:00 am EST

spezza to stars

Messier11


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:58 am EST

newfie - That was my take on MDZ - dumber than a box of rocks. I think Hospo said it yesterday: Could also be he wasn't properly preparing himself for the games mentally. There are plenty of things you can do with your late nights in NYC that can lead you to a mental fog the next day...and that's how MDZ seemed to play all the time...just making boneheaded moves even a kid in Mites wouldn't make...I'd still give him a chance as our fourth defender on the left.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:55 am EST

Wild - I understand what you're saying...I just think you're taking AV's comments a little out of context. I think it was RF who mentioned he showed up to camp the day of camp or something...I don't know...what I do know is I haven't seen the kid dog it at any level. Actually, the opposite...when KREIDER was resting on his laurels from an NCAA championship and a big professional splash in the playoffs...Miller came to camp and busted his ass...The Rangers could have very easily sent him back to juniors had he arrived out of shape or took shifts off....and rest assured, that's what would have happened...but instead, he was in Hartford's opening night lineup...and when I saw the two of them in the lineup together a couple months later, it was clear who was more ready for the prime time...Unless something drastically has changed in his life, I really don't see the kid as someone who has issues that would cause the Rangers to move him out of the picture...and I'd use the same draft-day litmus test with has I do NASH...the fact he's still on the roster is more of an indication where the organization stands with him...they could have probably gotten a first-rounder for him...probably something late round, but still a first rounder...if they had soured, they wouldn't wait until mid-season to move him, when his stock could conceivably plummet.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:52 am EST

RF4L: Aldo what they sign guys for...if they get guys signed for 900-950K those guys can be sent down with no cap hit, or moved for 6th-7th round picks to teams who want a body for injury replacement. Those would be safety net moves if they feel a kid or two will make it. If they sign 3rd/4th line guys for 1-2 mil that wont work as well and I would take that as they are not too confident that more than one kid will make it.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:49 am EST

Newfie_Ranger: that or attitude...he was left of team Canada for the WJC and I remember someone saying it was due to attitude type stuff. Maybe he is just "that guy" who has a bad attitude and it makes being on a team tough. One thing for sure, his value cant be much lower than it is right now. Would not be shocked to see him land in Edmonton or Colorado...two teams with cap space and a need for D. 2 years 7-8 mil...he would have to sign or risk being a leftover UFA and its low risk high reward for those teams.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:45 am EST

http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/stralman-has-long-term-5m-per-offer-pouliot-meets-with-senators-rangers-call-about-glass.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

puckyou


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:42 am EST

td: I agree with you in part with Miller...HOWEVER he needs to show that improvement...like I said, not necessarily something 'we" will see, but the coaches see. If they see him trying to do what they want than they will feel safe keeping him, but if he doesn't it may not matter how much he improves stats wise. Two coaches have now pointed to the other parts of the game and off the ice as issues. If that looks to be the same or god forbid worse, they may shop him. In fact there were rumors that he was being shopped. I don't think they feel for 1 second that he is going to miss out being an NHL player, but I get the feeling they may not think he is a NYR type NHL player. At least under this coach and in this system. I don't for one second think he would be dumped. More like traded for another player close to the same age, maybe a pure wing, or a young Dman who can man the PP point. I just think he needs to, in the teams eyes, show improvement. I think it will be camp, but perhaps it will be a chunk of the season. Of course, we can never know if anything like this is really true...him being shopped and moved could point to me being correct but not for certain, and him staying could just mean they saw enough to keep with him. I for one hope he turns that corner and becomes a better all around payer right out of the gate. He really is a type of player that when playing well brings a lot.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:40 am EST

Boy,Delzotto on the move again..........what happened to ALL his promise. He always came across to me as "not very bright " ? Could that be the problem ?

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:40 am EST

TD/Wild: For sure (IMO), the Rangers are hoping Miller makes the team this fall. They are probably hoping one of Fast/Lindbergh/Kristo/Haggerty make it, too. The number of NHL retreads they sign between now and then will be telling in terms of what they are projecting that way. A full line up gets signed signals, IMO, they aren't counting on any kids to make it (including McI).

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:38 am EST

The Rangers need some of their young players to step up this fall, probably moreso now than ever before. Why? Because they are cap strapped. As we've discussed on here previously, the need to have developing youth steadily flowing onto the big roster is a significant aspect of having a team stay competitive. Without that, you end up with NHL retreads, meaning a 4th line and 3rd defensive pairing the coach is reluctant to use. I suspect that's why the Rangers are looking for Skeji to turn pro. Not necessarily for this fall, but probably for the fall of 2015 (after 1 year of minor pro).

RF4L


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:34 am EST

Wildcard - You're 100 percent wrong on MILLER. The Rangers are working through his growing pains right now and if there was any indication he was on his last legs with the team or that they don't see him progressing, he would have never been inserted into the lineup during the cup playoffs or more specifically, the conference finals...those aren't signs of an organization souring on a young kid...and given how he played before getting injured against Montreal, his little public pep talk from AV sank in pretty clearly...I'm not sure the other coach you're referring to...if it's who I think you're speaking of(Torts), then take whatever he said and erase it from your mind...his season as a Ranger coach was spent in desperation...Unless the Rangers seriously do land a high-priced UFA like STASTNY, I could almost guarantee Miller will be in their opening day lineup...on the roster at the very least...He's a rare breed in the organization in that he has size, he's skilled, he plays a hard-checking game and can play the corners very well...the kid is in the PF mold...is it his 'last chance' with the organization? Hardly. He's just beginning. Need more evidence? Look at his stats from juniors on...at every level, they've improved one year after the next...People like to take AV's comments last season as though he's down on the kid...doesn't like him..or that Miller is a bust...but that's putting an awful lot of weight into one interview when he simply lit a fire under the kids ass...one that apparently worked quite nicely, given his play in the playoffs.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:33 am EST

td: I think more than long term for Stals is security...he talked about 4 teams in 7 years, I think he signs for less with a NMC on a 4-5 year deal. If his family really wants to remain in NY he may take a lesser offer with some controls over trades, to ensure he can keep his family in a good place. As for Nash. There is literally no one on the market this year who could replicate what he brings during the regular season, and the threat he brings to the ice to keep top D occupied. HOWEVER next year with the cap going up again (maybe close to 6 or 7 mil due to the new tv deal) there may be more options to overpay for a guy...and if Nash has a bounce back year it would be sad ti see it on another team. Also with a higher cap, that will also mean a higher floor, could get Nash to waive to a younger team like the AVS who have cheaper players due to age and could use some veteran types. Or a contender who this year cant add much, but with the room next year may love to add Nash as their secondary guy. I just don't think this year is the right time to move him, if they want to I think next year is the proper time.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:22 am EST

The way I see it is the Rangers, if they wanted, could ink up at least three of the four UFAs they have...probably all four...but there are issues that extend outside of the money that will prevent three of the four from signing...in STRALMAN'S case, he wants a long-term deal. The Rangers, with the guys they have coming through the ranks, aren't interested in keeping him much past two, if that...The reality is, this is McILRATH'S year to break into the NHL...KLEIN is a serviceable second pairing righty...and there's always the chance a righty PP quarterback surfaces in the ensuing fray here. Remember, they also need to replace RICHARDS on the PP point...which means they either do that internally(doubtful) or they look outside the organization...If Strals was seeking a LT contract with the Rangers next season, he might just get it...but not with the dynamics the way they are...On POULIOT...it's incredible how the narrative of a guy's career changes when he plays a full season and his team goes to the cup...Now, I've ALWAYS like Pouliot...I was one of the few here that wasn't bashing him up and down when he struggled early on...but the truth about him is he's a 40-point player with skill and size...and while those types of guys don't grow on trees, he's in the same boat as Strals in that he's ultimately replaceable...likely at a discount too...Truth is, you put anyone on a line with two dynamic playmakers like ZUC and BRASS and they're going to play well. Pouliot didn't have a 'career year' by any stretch of the imagination...and if he wants a five-year deal worth $4 million plus, he can wheel his ass over to Pittsburgh or whatever team that is going to pay him that...now the tricky part comes with BOYLE...I don't think Boyler's signing will come down to money...I think it'll come down to role. I DO think the Rangers would lock him up long-term and likely at market price...But I don't think they can promise him what he wants, which is to be a top-9 forward...I honestly think he CAN be that kind of player and that ultimately, the Rangers will REALLY regret losing him more than any of the other four...but that's the writing on the wall I'm reading...that he's going to chase a dream and a long-term contract, not the money...And on MOORE...I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'd be dumbfounded if he leaves and equally gape-mouthed if the Rangers let him walk...For Moore, I think any hold up comes back to what their plans are for the other three AND the RFAs...Some here have wondered why Sather didn't lock these guys up mid-season...or even before this point...well, again, it's the reality of the situation and as important as all four were/are, they're not part of the team's core...And truth is, only FIVE players are signed beyond next season...STEP, HAGELIN, and STAAL...all critical components of this team, are going to get big payouts next season...my PERSONAL move would have been to move NASH so that there are no looming concerns about future...but Sather wants to give him one more chance to blow...That's another move that will come to haunt this team almost as much as the fated day they traded for that worthless sot.

tdchi


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:21 am EST

jnyr: On Miller I disagree. two coaches have now said things that to me imply that he is not willing to do what he is told. Sure someday it may change, but this team is in a win now mode, and rightly so. If he cant step in and help when needed, and be trusted in the ice, than move him for a player who can. I know the player may be a little older, but not old, and if Miller is not able to make the team out of camp due to not doing the things when he isn't in a position to create offensive pressure, of he doesn't put the effort in away from the puck like I saw so much last year and before, than he is a big risk to keep.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 9:13 am EST

Rangers want Skjei to turn pro now http://www.northjersey.com/sports/hockey/rangers-try-to-sign-former-first-rounder-1.1043984

puckyou


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:19 am EST

So what, no one is pumped for UFA season? Everyone still rest in up? Saw where last year, 18 players signed day one (July 5th). Think it'll be more this year, plus some juicy deals.... Few hours away now, though there are always some signings that take days, even weeks.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 8:17 am EST

Whatever the 4th line ends up being, I think it will be just fine....AV depends on that line a lot and he's not gonna let Sather construct a half-assed unit. IMO, Moore is a very important player because of his ability to move up for short stretches and fill in on the other lines. He's also an excellent FO guy. He'll make the 4th line go as long as Sather gets him 2 good wings who can skate....they can't be slugs or the 4th line will suck. Moore can skate, so can Carcillo. Boyle has improved his skating enough to keep up with the flow. Dorsett also could motor. That's the model,Sather needs to follow....grinders who can also skate.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:31 am EST

Big part of that was Sather, JFC. He was calling Moore the previous season to offer support and let him know whenever he was ready to return they were interested. Moore said it meant a lot to him. Don't think he had any intention of leaving if $ was close. So is Glass-Moore-Carter the new 4th line?

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:23 am EST

I remember there was hope AV jumpstart Pyatt, as he'd had good years under him in VC. Alas, there wasnt much left in the tank. When you can't score in Pittsburgh.....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:20 am EST

I'm gonna take a semi-educated guess and say that Dom Moore really has no intention of leaving NY. The tragic death of his wife led him back to NY....he wanted to be where 2 of them 1st started out in his pro career. It was a decision based on emotion, respect and honor. His year really could not have turned out much better....he became an integral prt of the team, played well in the POs and almost won a Cup. It's like his heart guided him to the right place. Yes, he's trying yo get as many years as he can, but I think his heart is here and after what he has gone through, the heart rules. Only other place that could honor the heart for him would be Boston. Again, just conjecture on my part, but based on what I viewed in his life story.

JFC31


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:19 am EST

Where are the annual Zenon Konopka rumors? Great face off guy, 4th liner, etc. (please don't take seriously)

DREW


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:13 am EST

Rabid: the same Pyatt who scored 3 goals in the first five games.....I thought we had something there.......

jnyr


Tue Jul 1 2014 7:05 am EST

Wild: I don't see this as JT Millers last chance. He's only 20 years old. Remember Kreider started training camp on #1 line last year. Didn't make the team.....started the season in the minors...was a call up from Hartford and turned out to have a good year. I don't give up on 20 year olds. Anisemov spent a lot of time in Hartford......some just bloom late

jnyr


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:57 am EST

Sporty, I'm not familiar enough with White to say, but I agree Boyle's presence is a big part of what he brings to table and will be missed. Seems obvious to me this morning this is going to be a process, replacing 3 guys. Even if they ink 3 guys today that appear to fill any holes, chances are they won't all fit seemlessly. Not the end of the world. We started last year with Pyatt, Asham and a few other malfunctioning parts and got straightened out. I'm more concerned with what they don't center and replacing Stralman.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:37 am EST

Supposedly they called Tanner Glass.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jul 1 2014 6:33 am EST

Looking into FA today obviously there are a lot of rumors that most likely will not come to fruition. But, if Sather cannot find a way to sign BB, what would you guys think about making an offer to Ryan White (MTL). They barely used the guy down the stretch and he is a good fourth line guy. Listed at 6'0, 201 he is obviously much smaller than Boyle, but the guy is gritty and can win face-offs. I think Boyle's playing ability is much more easy to replace than the heart that he brings to the locker room. Thoughts?

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:37 am EST

Hospo: I think Camp is Millers last chance to solidify a spot on the team. HOWEVER it's not something we as fans will necessarily see. It could be the coaches see more effort defensively, or in the off ice sessions. Heck it could be ongoing now with offseason training and video stuff. But I have this feeling, that if he is the same guy as last season that they will shop him not wanting to risk having a player who will never turn "that" corner.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 5:02 am EST

Bob: you can't point to Chicago as getting it done...than say the Rangers will be hurting to to a lack of prospects. Do the facts a favor, look at the list of Hawks draft picks after the Toews and Kane drafts they have produced like 5 or 6 guys who have played for them...and like 2 or 3 that have done very much at all...mostly bottom 6 guys. The Rangers will have the same impact of prospects competing up. Let's not pretend the Bawks have had some special drafting. They did draft a first rounder the Rangers just let walk unqualified after they dumped him to the Rangers. Point is...there is zero corolation between prospects and the Hawks continuation as a top team.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:12 am EST

BOB - With the last with the only real chance of helping this team the coming year...I have a gut feeling that MILLER gets traded sooner then later

Hospo


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:04 am EST

RR-ya liked that one huh? Feel free to use it at will. I am having a very difficult time being a fan of a team that cannot do much tomorrow. I hope all these guys get whatever they can and don't take home town discounts. This happens to teams that go deep in the playoffs all the time. The players would be fools not to cash in....especially guys like the 4 Rangers. They will not carry more value than they do this Summer.Slats can position himself all he wants. He can grind the RFA's and the bridge contract guys. But the UFA's can, and should flip him off if they get better offers and more years from states that have lower taxes. Chicago got it done. Their prospect pool helped them a lot. Now we will truly see how bad off the Rangers are due to the quality of their prospect pool. Somehow, I have a feeling we will end up with JT Miller, Fast, Lindberg and Dan Boyle.

Bob


Tue Jul 1 2014 12:04 am EST

Last things from me, by morning we should start to see what's what. My guess would be, with Sather taking a shellacking in the free agent market, one not entirely of his making, he turns to where he's most comfortable and makes a deal tomorrow. I can see a secondary or peripheral signing, a Galiardi or Carter from NJ, but my guess is once the bell rings we get greeted by the news guys are leaving. And I do expect them to announce Moore reups on a 2 yr deal. But I think the big news comes via trade.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:46 pm EST

Nevermind....

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:43 pm EST

Hey, is the "RECENT HOCKEY TWEETS" tab/link working for everybody else?

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:41 pm EST

And To spare others, i'll let you have the last shot on this worthless endeavor...but I'm sure something will pop up in the the next day or so we will disagree on!

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:41 pm EST

if I ignore a clause, the other clauses work? OK, that's clear enough for me!

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:37 pm EST

As DESPO would say Poppycock......all you need to do is to ignore the parenthetical statement.....the meaning is obvious...and you know that..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:36 pm EST

If you're dumbfounded, then revisit ENG 101

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:34 pm EST

Hospo- now that you point it out, I can see what you were trying to say. HOWEVER- once you adjoin a clause to another clause, you modify the clause immediately preceding. Hence, you mention Moore, then qualify as a bad replacement for Boyle.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:33 pm EST

Taking the whole body of work into account, and being one of the few Ranger forwards that competed in all 50 games or so, yeah I think overall he has been...I have no problem if you think he hasn't or that if you think somebiody else was..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:31 pm EST

Mess11 - FOrget our differences..re-Read the following statement."TJ Galiardi? You're kidding me right? Had ONE good year moons ago but since has been pretty inconsistent and often injured...Can skate, about it..At his best, a poor man's DOM Moore....(who I hope the Rangers don't cave and give three years)...noit a replacement for Boyle by any stretch"..Do you HONESTLY think I was talking about Moore replacing Boyle?? It dumfounds me if you do...

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:29 pm EST

Boyle has never been our best forward in the playoffs. I don't know how you could ever quantify such an assessment. Certainly not by points, goals assists. Perhaps by hits/blocked shots, but not all three seasons by even that measure. He's been just a good forward in the playoffs, often.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:24 pm EST

Hey, I was just making a joke. Its what Bob wrote to me yesterday. I ain't getting dragged into nuthin'. Got my own problems in that regard lol. Speaking of which, look how cool I am when he ain't around doing what he does lol.... Just hockey, its all I need.....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:23 pm EST

part of it..obviously..try rereading and pasting the entire post and the context..but nah...

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:22 pm EST

Anyway, Higgy, that took some balls suggesting Spezza. About twenty guys here will jump on your head, say he's finished or we don't have the pieces or he's another mercenary. But I'm not one of'em.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:22 pm EST

not a personal attack. I don't know Hospo and I wouldn't ever denigrate him as a person. I disagree with a number of his assessments, however. That is one function of a sports discussion board: disagreement.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:20 pm EST

my opinion on your opinions is that they are more often than not stretches. Is that an allowable opinion?

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:19 pm EST

Hospo, I literally cut and pasted your post. You should look up a little on subject object agreement in sentences.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:16 pm EST

And once again the Wall devolves into a cesspool of personal attacks hahaha.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:16 pm EST

Not a stretch, just an opinion...Arent they allowed? Hell, if your constant lies are, my opinons and tales should be, don't ya think?.

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:13 pm EST

"At his best, a poor man's Dom Moore ....not a replacement for Boyle..yadda yadda" ..But, keep on putting words in my mouth and changing statements in your rush to disagree..My bet is 99% of the Wall knew I was talking about Galiardi..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:07 pm EST

I bet we sign CAMMALLERI to center those two other smurfs on this team. BTW, OTT would be a nice addition, and if we have the pieces to land Spezza, we have to do it, he has more size than Stastny.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:07 pm EST

eriksson and maybe marchand too, if not iginla. Bruins will tamp back a bit next season.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:06 pm EST

Boyle 'best forward for three playoff seasons' is just another Hospo stretch. Got any more tall tales?

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:05 pm EST

Yeah Hospo, not many bigger Iginla fans than me. Knew he'd have a good year there too. But last time we were known to have even tried for him was in Calgary, before he was dealt to Pittsburgh. But for some reason as a UFA there hasn't been a single mention anywhere of Sather going after him. Doesnt mean they didnt make a call, but its kinda strange. But I think he really fit with B's. They'll bring him back. They're going to dump Louie Erikkson, who makes about $4m+, at some point to make it all fit.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:05 pm EST

Separation Anxiety sucks

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:04 pm EST

"...DOM Moore....(who I hope the Rangers don't cave and give three years)...noit a replacement for Boyle by any stretch."

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:01 pm EST

Who said Moore was a replacement for Boyle? As for the rest, disagree...Boyle was basically the best Ranger forward in the POs for THREE YEARS...Moore joined him last year

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:58 pm EST

I've already envision next years ECFs vs Boston, if we're fortunate enough to get there, where we have to go through Chara, Lucic, and Boyle..... With MsL, Zuc, and whatever other smurfs they import. Oh boy......

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:58 pm EST

Moore isn't a replacement for Boyle. We had Boyle for seasons without having a fourth line. Moore is the fourth line. Boyle is just a great compliment to him. three years for a smart and effective player like Moore is a steal.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:56 pm EST

RHET - I suggested Erhoff the other day and said that AV (his former coach)could be the perfect judge of whether he would be worth going after...but most shot that down...We'll see...STRALMAN sure as hell is asking for and seems to be getting a lot of money...Somebody mentioned IGINLA? Would LOVE to have him

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:51 pm EST

TJ Galiardi? You're kidding me right? Had ONE good year moons ago but since has been pretty inconsistent and often injured...Can skate, about it..At his best, a poor man's DOM Moore....(who I hope the Rangers don't cave and give three years)...noit a replacement for Boyle by any stretch...Rangers need to remember that you do need a little toughness for the regular season grind, if not the POs.........

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:51 pm EST

I get the appeal of Ehrhoff, really. I was for him when he was last available as an UFA. Volkenkov too. but neither is an upgrade over Staal, and I am willing for the money and the promise, roll the dice on Moore for third pair lefty. ///// Rhet- not to sound cynical, but where is this stuff coming from about Ehrhoff and Gagliardi?

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:43 pm EST

They're getting sorted out, MF. They have until October to get to the cap. They haven't committed to Iginla yet either, who had 30 and will take a one year deal. A cynic might say its better to look capmaxed when FAs come calling, better to chisel them down, and move out the dead weight after the UFAs sign.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:40 pm EST

Anyway, think that's why Boyle has taken this bit of a hard line approach. More than one team will offer him big $, supposedly Winnipeg and a few others. But he's from Boston, went to school there, and he knows he's still got a great chance to win.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:37 pm EST

RR: The Bruins have $1.67 million of Cap Space..... They only have 10 forwards signed...... They're not doing much without trading something away........ http://www.capgeek.com/bruins/

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:18 pm EST

Yeah, thought I saw some clips today of Erhoff on right. Good, we need options, so thank god he got bought out. But - and I didn't wanna have to say this - but my secret reason for preferring him over Moore, in addition to what I said about Boyle earlier, is he's gonna end up on the fucking Bruins man. And they're already too big to handle. Damn....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:17 pm EST

If we trade for Erhoff, we could theoretically trade STAAL, move Ehrhoff to the LW and find a RHS defenseman... Net net, we'd probably save some money.....

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:12 pm EST

The Rangers better be computing the probability of whether or not the CAP will go up next year... Because if it is, this could be an ideal setting to go over the Cap by utilizing Bonus Incentives, and rolling it (the compensation) forward if the goals are attained ....

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:11 pm EST

Rabid... You're right, Erhoff is a left that plays the right side and he plays it well.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:06 pm EST

IDK where that's from Rhet; if they like Galiardi, fine. I'm guessing they're basing it on some knowledge of the player, not throwing darts at a board. Im only familiar with his name really. But I can't see AV slotting a lefty in Erhoff for Stralman. hes real rigid with that, but then again, not sure what side he plays, think it may be right, and AV certainly familiar with him. And beggars can't be choosers...

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:06 pm EST

MF... If we do go after him, hopefully it's on a 1-year deal. I'd like to give J.T. Miller every opportunity to win the job from him in camp.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:00 pm EST

Rhet: My intention was to show a way to make up for the offensive production incurred by the BR buyout.... I DID however ask earlier if anyone knew if Vrbata can play center..

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:00 pm EST

JFC, you couldn't be more correct on the PP. It's why we need righty shots, especially if Puliot goes. Narrows options a bit. Halfway decent one in Parenteau went today, but he makes big money I'm pretty sure. Vrbata, Iggy, Vanek, maybe a few I'm forgetting. If Spezza arrives, thats where he'd be camped out on PP, left circle. I had some piece of mind with Boyle, D zone draws and it was like a giant octopus coming out at pointmen - and the guy really gave it up for the team with blocks... Oh well, see what tomorrow brings.....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:56 pm EST

Reportedly, the NY Rangers are looking at T.J. Galiardi as a replacement for Brian Boyle. T.J. Galiardi was not given a qualifying offer, so he will be a free agent on July 1. The ex-Calgary Flame was described by The Hockey News as a forward that "skates well and is always a bundle of energy. Has a projectable frame, as well as the ability to play both wing and center. Is good defensively and effective on the penalty kill." This description suggests that the versatile and speedy forward can use his size to kill penalties and is competent in his own zone. He is also relatively young, and he is coming off a deal that last paid him just $1.5 million. The Rangers are also possibly interested in Christian Ehrhoff as a replacement for Anton Stralman. Ehrhoff is a smart hockey player and an amazing skater, and he can handle upwards of 20 minutes a game. He is a skilled puck mover, he can quarterback a power play and he is competent in his own zone. He also has a history of success playing under Alain Vigneault with the Vancouver Canucks, so Ehrhoff would be able to step right in to the Rangers' lineup without missing a beat. He might cost a bit more than Stralman, but he fills a variety of needs that the Rangers have.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:53 pm EST

If Brooks is right, then Sather should do what I suggested yesterday....splurge on fixing the PP with Boyle or Ehrhoff and fill in with Dom Moore, and any of those guys he mentioned in the article....Dustin Penner could fit the bill quite nicely. lLook, there are other Pouliot's out there.....probably some that will "get it" way before Poo did and be very productive....Sather just has to figure out which ones and/or get lucky. Isn't that what happened with Poo? We need one good winger to fill in with Zucc & Brass...I'll bet one of the guys available is CHEAPER and fits in just as well if not better than Poo. Could be a more bruising winger who does the board work and gets to,the net while Zucc & Brass work their magic.....or it could be a Euro type veteran who knows how to play the creative game those 2 do. The guy is out there....just get him Sather...You'll save money too! Same with B. Boyle......since when do we as fans panic over losing a 4th line PKer?....because that's what he is. I rue losing his PO prowess, but his skill set is out there and available too. Just fox the damn PP, get our 4th line center back and fill in. I really don't think it's gonna be as hard as many are thinking. Yeah, chemistry is tricky, but that's where our scouting guys have to earn their pay and we have to get a little lucky.

JFC31


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:42 pm EST

They were all pretty good, which is why we didn't really want to lose anybody, though everyone has their likes & dislikes. This is the sucky part, losing people, and who knows, they're not elsewhere yet. But hopefully tomorrow we start seeing reinforcements, seeing the makings of a plan. Hopefully LOL....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:41 pm EST

MF... Vrbata would be a replacement for Pouliot, not Richards. We'd still need a 2nd line center. He would be an improvement offensively but the knock on him vs. Poo is his defense.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:39 pm EST

Dom Moore was the spark plug of our fourth line. Not to mention that he also filled in on two other lines in a pinch in the playoffs. I'm not sure how we'd replace that. Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:33 pm EST

VRBATA and Brad Richards had the same amount of points during the regular season; 20g / 31a / 51 points..FYI: Vrbata is 1 yr younger, RHS, and a good skater

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:32 pm EST

Yup, I know Rhetoric. But you also usually get what you pay for. Just felt Boyler deserved it more, been here longer, important in room, and we need the size. We'll have to see what else they do......

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:28 pm EST

RR: We currently have $23,307,500 in Cap Spending room....I have been tracking UFA's and their last year salaries... This is not going to be easy, and may force us to dress JT Miller opening day......IMO, Stralman will be the 1st guy the Rangers give up on...

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:26 pm EST

Rabid.... The difference is that Moore is affordable, Boyle is not.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:25 pm EST

Not sure if this was mentioned, but..... The Montreal Canadiens traded veteran forward Daniel Briere to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for forward Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau and a fifth-round pick in 2015 draft on Monday.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:24 pm EST

I would've kept Boyle over Dom Moore.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:23 pm EST

Vrbrata-Brass-Zucc

stepunmytoe


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:19 pm EST

Good news is if 3 of the 4 walk there's plenty of money to spend. Bad news they're really upsetting the apple cart. Shoot, losing top PKer, top 6 LW, TOP 4 D. Righto whomever said it, it is weird cursing free agency.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:19 pm EST

Last year Iginla signed for something like $1.8mill & bonus incentives (which he met) at like $4mill...... Including bonuses seems like a great way to pay it forward and get around the Cap...... Too bad for Boston that the play went against them with the cap being set at the lower end of the range and they over-leveraged... Fuck them! .......... I'd offer Iginla a base salary with bonus incentives on a 1 or 2 yr deal "IF" MZA would be comfortable playing the LW in the event we can't/don't sign Pouliot 2) we can move NASH........

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:18 pm EST

That last post is about Dan not Brian.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:17 pm EST

9:40PM: The Rangers are trying to determine how far they can/will go to try to get Boyle. The Rangers would have “loved” to get Boyle on a one-year, bonus heavy deal but he is seeking two-years around $5 million and is “sure” to get it. (NY Post) Boyle’s top five is reportedly Tampa Bay, Detroit, Toronto, the Rangers and Montreal. (Darren Dreger) Dreger adds that Tampa Bay is “high, high on Boyle’s list” and maybe the top spot on his list. (Darren Dreger on Leafs Breakfast)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:12 pm EST

I hope Jarome Iginla gets zero interest from any good teams, and ends up in a forsaken market like Florida or Calgary.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:11 pm EST

So strange to be likely losing players instead of adding them. I fear the Boyle........DAN Boyle at $5MM per for 2 years replacing Stralman. Pouliot going, replaced by who? Moulson? Moulson cannot skate like Pouliot. Wonder where Brian Boyle will end up. I hope that nobody I like from our team ends up within our division.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:10 pm EST

MF: Wrong Again! Free Agency begins at 12 Noon tomorrow..... :-)

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:08 pm EST

Anyone want to stay up late tonight? There may be some quick signings at midnight :) The Rangers are reportedly set to lose Stralman, Pouliot and Boyle. Hopefully Boyler has a last minute change of heart and takes less money to stay (though probably not). Fingers crossed that Dom Moore's deal get's done before midnight.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:03 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun, Darren Dreger, Bob McKenzie and Gino Reda discuss the latest rumors on Insider Trading: (TSN) On Paul Stastny, “They were contacting teams and telling them they were out. Winnipeg is out and now it comes down to fit and money and I think it comes down to three options, 1) re-sign in Colorado which is still what I think is the strongest move if the Avs raise their offer and I think they will in the next 24 hours. 2) St. Louis is very intriguing, he still has a home there, I think they will push hard and I don’t think they will offer him term but they will offer him top dollar on a shorter term deal, 3) is hitting the lottery and going for the longest term and most money.” On Jarome Iginla, “Boston would like to have him back and he would like to go back but Boston has cap issues and they don’t know if they can do it to the point that they have started kicking tired on Radim Vrbata. As for Iginla, he will sleep on it and whittle down his list, Detroit, Tampa, Minnesota is interested and there are more than that and is it a 1-year deal or 2-year deal and Iginla is drawing attention.” On Matt Niskanen, “He is the most sought after, righthander and put up a lot of points but it is going to cost you, 6-7 years and likely between $6 to $6.5 million. Tampa will make an offer, they cleared up space, need a righty, I don’t think Tampa will offer the most but they will make a big push. His list is being cut down.” On Dan Boyle, “Tampa is in the market for a veteran and Dan Boyle has been popping up. His list is down to 5 teams and we know that he wants a two-year deal and will probably get a two-year deal, probably at $5 million or better but list includes Tampa Bay, Toronto, Detroit, Montreal and the Rangers.” On Anton Stralman, “Stralman is not close with the Rangers and the Rangers are going to make one last push with him whether it’s Monday night or Tuesday morning. At the end of the day he has more term and more money, between $4.5 million to $5 million elsewhere.” On Christian Ehroff, “he is a left shot who plays on the right side and he won’t be looking for as much money or term as Niskanen but probably in the five-year range at $5 million plus per year, he wants to play on a chance to win. He is looking at Anaheim, Tampa or Pitt or Detroit.” On the Flames, “full credit to Brad Treliving who made a few interesting offers where Carolina would send Cam Ward and their first round pick, seventh overall, he also made a pitch to the Coyotes to where they would take Ribeiro for the 12th overall and that wouldn’t go because Ribeiro wouldn’t waive to go there.”

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:01 pm EST

8:09PM: Stastny will be a free agent as he and the Avs couldn’t come to terms on a deal. (Renaud Lavoie) 5:08PM: The Winnipeg Jets did not make the cut as one of the teams on Stastny’s short list. (LeBrun) 4:59PM: The Avs are still int he hunt to re-sign Paul Stastny (Denver Post) but his agent was aiming to trim the list of interested teams to a more manageable group. (Pierre LeBrun) It’s been noted that at least half the league expressed interest in Stastny (ESPN) though there are conflicting reports about whether the Rangers did. Scott Burnside says that he is guessing Stastny ends up a Ranger though Chicago and St. Louis are also teams looking for centers. (ESPN.com)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:00 pm EST

9:36PM: The Rangers believe that the deal Stralman will get will be out of their price range. (NY Post) 8:53PM: Anton Stralman reportedly has a long-term contract offer worth between $4.5 million and $5 million coming from another team and that is why it’s “going to be hard for the Rangers to retain him.” (ESPN)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:00 pm EST

Two Hour Warning: In Two Hours the UFA market opens, please have your tranquilizers and alcohol close at hand..

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:59 pm EST

6/30/14 | 2:22PM: The Rangers are in talks to keep Dom Moore. (Brooks) 9:30PM: Moore is seeking a three-year deal worth $1.7 million per season while the Rangers are offering two-years at slightly less money. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:55 pm EST

For starters: Kassian & a pick for Rick Nash, throw in something from the farm to get their 1st rounder.....

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:49 pm EST

I wonder how much our RFA's are asking for ..........

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:47 pm EST

PatrickDiv - I'd hesitate to go for any defenseman on last season's Oilers not named Justin SCHULTZ.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:33 pm EST

I agree. See what little Kassian could be had for.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:24 pm EST

Dear Glen Sather, Please execute the following directions: Pick up your phone, make an offer for Zack KASSIAN, and get it done. Yours truly, all Ranger fans. PS, enclosed is some reading materials for your edification: "Restricted free agent Zack Kassian, 23, has reportedly turned down his qualifying offer, which means the winger is looking for a sizeable increase on the $870,000 US he earned last season for his 14 goals in 29 points in 73 games...Without arbitration rights and little leverage, Kassian wants to be paid like a player expected to play a much bigger role on the revamped club and possibly work his way into the top-six mix. The qualifying offer is valid until July 15 at which time the Canucks can remove it and keep negotiating with Kassian’s agent through the summer."

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:04 pm EST

Anyone have any thoughts on Jeff Petry? EDM seems to be shopping him. RHS 26 yr old and throws the body around...possible replacement for Stralman?

PatrickDiv


Mon Jun 30 2014 7:03 pm EST

Hey let's not forget that MDZ was moved after playing his off side all season where he was terrible. Of course, he played the left in Nashville, so.....

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 6:21 pm EST

Del Zotto sucked. I find it amazing how people can be so critical of others, but overlook someone who was absolutely awful. He was a disaster on the 3rd pair!! The worst defenseman on the team this season by a mile.He gave away the puck constantly, overpassed on the power play and caused more breakaways and odd man rushes than I care to remember. This team would never have gotten past the 2nd round with him, never mind made it to the finals. That said, I hope he finds a place in the nhl. Just not on this team.

puckyou


Mon Jun 30 2014 6:14 pm EST

EVETS: I hope to God that isn't true. The Rangers have nothing of value to trade that I would want to trade for SPEZZA except NASH....and there is no way in Hell SATHER is going to trade NASH if he is bringing in SPEZZA. You can bet that he wants to bring in SPEZZA to center NASH as the answer to reviving NASH's scoring woes. As much crap as I give STEPAN I wouldn't trade him away to bring in SPEZZA.

Vic


Mon Jun 30 2014 6:08 pm EST

Not sure where he got his information, but on NHL Network Radio today a caller asked the hosts, Scott Laughlin and Phil Esposito who the Rangers would be going after if they failed to resign their UFAs. Esposito chimed in immediately saying he's convinced that the Rangers are pushing hard to trade for Jason Spezza. He went on and on about it.

evets1980


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:24 pm EST

tdchi, i think if you offer Vancouver Stepan and Nash, they would listen, maybe one borderline prospect as well. i was thinking about same thing. Krider on the line with Sedin sisters will be a monser. We might not even need that 2nd line center anymore. Poo can hit the road. Brassard will center two hobbits and let Miller center Hags and Fast. Speed line.We just might have enough to absorb sister's salaries..

andrei


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:23 pm EST

On MDZ, I always liked him when he was here. I thought he might find his game with the Preds but I guess not. Regardless, I don't want him back. Actually the one thing that used to drive me crazy about MDZ is that he was slow. I think GIRARDI could outskate him. Given the evolution of this team he doesn't do enough to outweigh that big negative.

Vic


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:18 pm EST

I don't know there are club options anymore, to renew a player for a year or extend a contract, pick up the following year by such and such a date, etc. There used to be options, but IDK if they're outlawed in the CBA now or what....anyone know about options?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:13 pm EST

TDCHI - I really didn't mean laziness ON ICE but OFF ICE and not taking it seriously enough...or doing enough..thiough just my speculation on what I have read,,....Defientely stupidity, decision making, awareness was the problem on ice...but a lot of it can all be part of crappy preparation and tape study...

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:10 pm EST

VIC - Quite a few have posted those terms for POULIOT, sounds reasonable..I myself wouldn't do it..Just don't like the Player enough...That's a hell of a lot of Money for Stralman, though not saying he won't get it..I'd sign him in the 3-4 mil range...Sounds right about Boyle, I guess...I don't go three years with MOoore, two years and an option is about it for me....But again. all that matters is what Sather thinks..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:10 pm EST

Hospo - Not sure it was laziness as much as stupidity with MDZ..Kid always looked like he hustled...but you can't fix stupid.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:09 pm EST

I have no problem resigning DZ & sticking him in Htfd as insurance, but really dont want him on team; and I'm sure he's hoping for a better deal somewhere. Tough to believe he was one of our best players on march to ECFs two years ago, the one guy who finally got to that maggot Chris Neil. Has a thing for Neals in fact. Walloped the other one, James on Pitt, and concussed him. Maybe the most perfect elbow I ever saw. Neal still isnt right. Don't think its partying problem; more likely he just got off his game and isn't worth the bigger bucks a regular would command in the cap world, though Nashville definitely had room last I checked.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:06 pm EST

RF4L - I was thinking the same thing on both counts..re: SEDINS and Del ZOTTO...On the Sedins, $14 mil is a tough cap lump to swallow...and you know neither would come cheap...NASH would have to be part of the deal...and I guess if you sent GIRARDI packing too...maybe you'd have the start of something for the sisters...and Del Zotto...I really doubt he lands here, but hey, why not? I'd be all for having him and MOORE as the third and fourth lefty.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:06 pm EST

RF4L - Yeah, it'a all about the mental part of Del Zero's game......preparation before and his awareness during the game....Ability can only cover up for so much laziness/supidity...Such a waste now but.Hopefully, he finally gets it with this smackdown..If he does, somebody will have themselves a bargain...Hell, how could it hurt for a team like Bufflo or whoever has tons of cap space to sign him and put him in the AHL under the right coach for a year or more

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:03 pm EST

MF: I posted this a few days ago.....POULIOT will go anywhere from 3 to 4 million and 3 to 4 years. If the Rangers can sign him for 3 and 3 that would be a huge bargain. IMHO MZA should be looking for something in the 5 to 6 per year range and BRASSARD in the 4 to 5 per year range. STRALMAN is going to get around 4.5 or 5 per year. BOYLE will probably get 3 to 4 per year. MOORE may get 3 per year on a shorter term deal.

Vic


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:02 pm EST

As for MDZ........I hope he finds a job. He can always have a nice career in Europe if he wants to. More money and more dangerous airplanes in the KHL.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 4:00 pm EST

Jordan Schroeder not qualified. Goes to show that most of these guys.....even the high picks, don't make it to the show and stay there. On Stastny......if he is not in Colorado, I think he'll be in St. Louis. They have always been his preference. It is his home town. His father still lives there.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:59 pm EST

Would the Rangers be interested in resigning MDZ (at a reduced rate) I wonder? Boy, did he fall off the map (after having such a fine first 2/3s of a season 2 years ago). What a shame. So much raw skill. If it's his love of partying and unwillingness to commit himself to the physical rigors so many successful hockey players do, then shame on him. Not saying it is, but the stories that he loved the NYC nightlife have never completely gone away. I know that's what I heard from a very reliable source, too (and it wasn't said with any visciousness or ridicule - just a remark that perhaps he liked that side of NYC a little too much).

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:56 pm EST

TD: Wonder if the Canucks are entertaining the notion of shopping the Sedin twins? Fortunately the Rangers cap situation, coupled with all their unsigned players, likely means they wouldn't be involved if so (because I'll bet Sather would be in if he had cap room - they are sorta the over 30, best days are behind them, high-priced mercenaries he seems to be unable to stay away from).

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:55 pm EST

DEL ZOTTO not qualified...

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:53 pm EST

Wow, 2 ends of the spectrum - can't make LA and gets cut by Florida. Ouch!

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:51 pm EST

mf - yeah, I think the only place Vancouver is going is racing is for first place in the Conner McDavid/Jack Eichel sweepstakes. Right now, they're the odds-on favorite. Stastny would never sign there unless he wants to have a really brutal first year.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:50 pm EST

Keaton ELLERBY, Florida's first-round bust from 2007, also not qualified. Beast of a defenseman, swiped off waivers a few years back by LA...Interested...but alas, a lefty.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:50 pm EST

mf: No....

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:45 pm EST

Think Vancouver is in the STATSNY SWEEPSTAKES ?

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:39 pm EST

Meltdown in Vancouver continues...Jordan SCHROEDER not qualified...He was picked two spots after Kreider, right behind John Moore in the 2009 first round...was a member of the gold medal US team with Ryan Bouque, Kreider, Danny Kristo and Derek Stepan in 2010...I'd take a flyer on him, though he's waaay too small for a Ranger team that already has a couple of smurfs.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:31 pm EST

Line numbers aside. I always thought Stephan fit better with Hags and MSL - so a different/new center for K + Nash would make sense to me.

Ranger47


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:21 pm EST

or a center for KK & NASH

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:20 pm EST

VIC: I hear ya loud & clear, no offense taken... Just want to find something that makes sense...Do you mind penciling in the $$$ you think would work? ..........OAN, Anyone know if VRBATA can play or has played CENTER? He skates well, is a RHS, scored 20g/31a/ 51 points last season.... Looking for a center for MSL & HAGS

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:16 pm EST

The feeling is that Josh Gorges is being moved by Montreal to free up cap space that PK Subban's pending new deal will eat up. Gorges is around $3,700,000 and Subban's likely is going to push $8,000,000.

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:16 pm EST

What about moving Staal instead of Nash-and promoting a kid to the 4th line like Fast instead of signing a more expensive player? Is it even conceivable we could squeeze Stastny in like that?

puckyou


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:07 pm EST

MF: I think your numbers are way too low. It is going to take more to resign some of these guys. Remember, we are talking about productive playoff performers on a team that went to the Cup finals. Everyone was watching and thinking "Man, if we had a guy like XXX it could really help our team next year. " You can plug in BOYLE, MOORE, STRALMAN, POULIOT, etc. The other thing I get riled up about is when folks start throwing out names like IGINLA and HEATLY. I'm not pointing at you for this but just wanted to mention it in general. Why are folks fascinated with what a guy has done in his career in the past when he was a young player in his prime. Those two can barely skate. Why would anyone have any interest in either, especially the Rangers who need to build on the one advantage that pushed them deep into the playoffs.....their team speed. The same goes for MOULSON and VANEK. WHY? VANEK scored 40 goals twice in his career. So what. He isn't going to score 40 ever again and that is what is important. Certainly not with the Rangers he won't. The ONLY name I've heard in the UFA market that might actually add something to the Rangers is STATSNY. I don't love the guy's game and I don't think he is or ever was a #1 Center. However, he skates well and is a good option at Center where the Rangers now have a hole. Unfortunately there is no way the Rangers can afford him without moving NASH's contract.

Vic


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:06 pm EST

MF-I think you have traded Nash more times than anyone on the board-lol. Doubt it happens-but we shall see.

puckyou


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:02 pm EST

The Fickle Finger of Rosterbation: BOYLE $3M, POULIOT $3M, BRASSARD $4M, MZA $4M, KREIDER $2.25M, J MOORE $1.75M, D MOORE $1.75, MARK FAYNE $1.5M, MARCEL GOC $1.75M……. Leaves $307,500 cap space

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:55 pm EST

Vic, I totally hear you and respect the perspective. Sure it would be an adjustment but I dont think replacing him would be impossible especially at his supposed asking price. Perhaps looking into a guy like Trevor Lewis or even trying to swing a trade for anyone named Dwight King, Kyle Clifford or Jordan Nolan or picking up Blake Comeau as a UFA? The Boyle loss will hurt more....

PatrickDiv


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:50 pm EST

This Cap Shit Sucks!

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:48 pm EST

Heres a scenario we can afford $$$$ wise.... Sign MARCEL GOC (C) $1.75MILL, Sign IGINLA $2.5MILL + $2.5MILL BONUS......Brian Boyle $3mill, DMoore $1.75mill, MZA $4mill, Brassard $4mill, Kreider $2.25mill, JMoore $1.75mill,.... MARK FAYNE $1.5MILL ...... JTMiller plays 4th line wing in place of Dorsett, MZA plays LW with Iggy & Brassard...... No room for Setoguchi..... I think lines 1,2,3 should have at least one RHS but thats life.....

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:45 pm EST

PatDiv: I don't disagree about POULIOT but the thing that isn't being taken into account is that BRASSARD and MZA suffered as much as POULIOT did when that line was broken up after MSL was brought in. A lot of folks here seem to have no problem letting POULIOT go but in doing so what is the impact to BRASSARD and MZA? Remember, it wasn't only POULIOT's season that rebounded when that line was put together. Chemistry is an impossible thing to predict or plan. Those 3 had it in a way that none of them has ever had with other players in their careers to date. I don't dismiss that or take it lightly. That is why POULIOT is my #1 priority to resign. Not only do I want his production back in the lineup, I want the Rangers best line back and intact. Maybe BRASSARD and MZA can find chemistry with someone else. Maybe. Maybe not. How much do you really lose when you let POULIOT walk away? And for what? Are we really going to push POULIOT out the door over a difference of $500K per year when we keep others who make much more and do much less for the team. That is penny wise and pound foolish. And, to compound things if POULIOT goes to the Pens it will be a double kick in the groin.

Vic


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:10 pm EST

total ...... maybe

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:09 pm EST

K1: if we trade Nash for some picks, we can afford Stastny..... If we trade any two players where the salaries toal approx $8mill, we can afford Stastny..... May Nash likes Colorado? Just dont see Sakic & Wah paying up for Nash... Please San Jose, call for Nash......

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 2:07 pm EST

like Pyatts?

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:56 pm EST

Pouliot in Pittsburgh, playing with Crosby or Malkin? That should inflate his numbers.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:53 pm EST

Nonetheless, I think he will be wearing a Ranger uniform.

kitchen1


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:50 pm EST

We cant afford Stastny... A team like TBL or Dallas could offer the same money and the guy would keep an extra 12.5 cents on the dollar for every game he played at home. NY State & City taxes.....

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:43 pm EST

a year & a half ago or so, I read that Zucc prefered playing LW, but is happy to play anywhere... We could move Zucc to LW & sign IGGY to play the RW with him and Brassard...... (and we can make the numbers work)

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:42 pm EST

Have a strange feeling will we end up with Stastny.

kitchen1


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:39 pm EST

I like Pouliot just as much as everyone here but I want to offer a contrarian view- given the playmakers on his line Zucc primarily and Brass all his job was made very simple. No question, he did a good job but was it stellar? Absolutely not. The guy didnt crack 20 goals, took an inordinate amount of offensive zone penalties and didnt crack 20 goals. The guy - despite a good season- will regress back to his mean and never find a coach and "under the radar" circumstance like last season ever again. Upon signing a longer term & more lucrative contract, the spotlight will burn on him brightly and he will once again revert back to the journeyman form he had prior to joining the Rangers and once again be known as Cess-pouliot. Buyer beware....I'd love to keep Moore/Stralman and Boyle and avoid the room turning over once again but we'll see...

PatrickDiv


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:38 pm EST

MF - good aal around player, very versatile, good in the clutch,,,Wouln't mind having the task of deciding if he should play C or W..Expect the bidding to be relatively high for him

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:37 pm EST

Read that Jussi Jokinen can play both Center & Wing... What do you folks think about using him at center?

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:35 pm EST

puckyou - Why shouldn't they go to UFA, they earned the right to make the money that somebody in the NHL thinks they are worth...Hopefully Sather can find the money to sign one of them.....Even than, I think we can survive losing al four, but defeintely not by just filling from within...

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:28 pm EST

Fuck em

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:28 pm EST

good deal for Montreal.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:27 pm EST

Adam Rotter @AdamRotter Buzz: Benoit Pouliot, Anton Stralman and Brian Boyle all expected to go to free agency on.sny.tv/1mNOAvw. Pitt rumored to make a big run at polio boy-maybe to replace Neal

puckyou


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:27 pm EST

ah, for PAP. nm.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:26 pm EST

means they expect Stastny or O'Reilly or PAP to be on the move

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:20 pm EST

Briere to Avs

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:17 pm EST

Slower than s low is Heatly nowadays. Watched him a few games near deadline cause I thought Sather might not be able to resist then. In reading remarks from Puliots agent, feel its more likely he dies come back. $ has to be thete, obviously

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:16 pm EST

not really into those lightning in a bottle reclamation projects but Sather does love them, Heatley wouldn't surprise me

Gibbo


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:11 pm EST

HOSPO - I'd be happy with Dan Boyle and letting Stralman walk. Boyle is still decent on the power play and that's been a BIG problem for years now.

Gibbo


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:11 pm EST

I hadn't thought of him previously, but DANY HEATLEY Could be the epitomy pof a Sather special....I hionestly couldn't say anything about his game last year but, going on the past, could a short term incentive based contract with him be something worth a risk? Of course, I'd rather have IGINLA for a year too, but that ain't happening..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:10 pm EST

I would not mind Setoguchi. Not excited about the other reclamation projects though.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:07 pm EST

BOB - That first part I agree with..GIBBO - I keep hearing the Rangers and Dan Boyle linked togethere....hmmm..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 1:05 pm EST

Brooks mentioning Heatly, Penner & Setoguchi (mf) as possible reclamation projects if puliot walks.let the fun begin!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:58 pm EST

HOSPO---YOU and ME are the only vets that I know for sure are done. I want them to give McIlrath a shot to see if he can make it on the 3rd pair. No more worries about bringing young players in....as they have to because of the cap, and because they are paying Rick Nash $7.8 to kill penalties and play the equivalent of 2nd/3rd line wing.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:52 pm EST

yeah HOSPO no idea how to make it work, but gritty, not a liability and solid faceoff guy... would be great addition. Hoping the priority is finding a better first line center than Stepan and seeing if Dan Boyle wants to run the power play... dude is old but better option than anybody the Rangers currently have. Like you said, we'll see.

Gibbo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:51 pm EST

Wait wait wait....you know whats absolutely hysterical about that? That "other" poster who signed on was never me!!!! It was some poor prick who actually disagreed with TD & York, agreed with me (believe it or not) and got himself banned after about 3 posts!! He didnt even say anything wrong!!! And he said hed been reading here a really long time LOL. And yet the slanderer stayed. Thats when I knew it was truly a kangeroo court.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:44 pm EST

Right. An insult. Par for the course with TDCHI. Here come the mystery posters..... Ahem....from the woodwork. CMON TD, youre a hockey know it all. Gimme your Top 3 UFAs to sign (non Nyr). Gimme few deals they should make and why..... How much is Puliot goin to sign for, in $ and term. Where? Anyrhing but the SOS 3rd grade rank-out crap u shovel would be SO refreshing....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:43 pm EST

shonuff - it's happened before. And TBH, the wall is pretty good at moderating itself, sans a few flare ups now and again. Kind of nice that it's allowed to go as-is. That people can come back if they want.. Everyone needs a second chance.. In this case, however, there's one guy who brings this place to a new low any chance he gets. Polis had no problem lighting this place on fire last year(actually, twice, because he logged on with a new name after he got booted and then got drop-kicked again)and he's shown no indication he won't do it again. Just watch.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:41 pm EST

GIBBO - Me too,Love Ott also but I didn't want to bring it up..and I really don't know what the Rangers want to do with their C's next year..We shall see

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:40 pm EST

BOB - To you, every vet is done! I don't agree, but you have to do your homework and be selective...Plenty of vet D-man that are 30-32 can contribute for many years,,,,As for McI, the onkly way I want him on the ice in New York is if he earns it..Which he will, I just don't know when and I think iot would be foolish for a team that wants to be good to COUNT on him at the beginning of the season..,

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:39 pm EST

um, missed a word... i would love Steve Ott on the Rangers

Gibbo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:36 pm EST

Probably never happen but I would Steve Ott on the Rangers

Gibbo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:31 pm EST

And as a person who posts a few timea a year but has lurked for over 10 I say this...what the bleep happened to this board when people get kicked off but come back under different names ????

shonuff


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:31 pm EST

Volchenkov is done. So are Gleason, Jovocop and most of these other retreads. Give me McIlrath. Time to let the kid try to make it. With all these vet guys becoming available for free, Stralman's price might be dropping enough for the Rangers to afford him. That would be nice. With as bad as Montreal's defense was in the playoffs, I am surprised they are dumping Gorges.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:30 pm EST

Polis - here's some insight for you:: This site is 100 percent better without you or your so-called "insight."

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:29 pm EST

Like it or not the skinny on nash is simple...Rangers need him in the regular season because he will be good in stretches and be the difference between a 3-6 seed and a 8th spot. He will always fade away towards playoffs and a core player will always have to step up and get him off the hook. If the rangers traded nash tomorow for a 2015 #1 pick half this board would flip and want the rangers to sign a Ufa to replace him.

shonuff


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:21 pm EST

A troll? Ha....one who ourclasses you in every way ehen it comes to hockey lol. And thats what this is. You feel threatened cause you cant run around like the LOOSE CANNON you are eithout me stomping you. So youre reduced to checking terms of service as youre only hope haha...how sad. Except I didnt post porn, though I did mention your slit lol. Why cant u chill already? Crazy Busy 24hrs comin up for Rangers. Surely you have something insightful to add.....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:21 pm EST

TDCHI - yeah, my type of player, but the wear and tear factor of VOCHENKOV is really high..But, god, I hope we are not relegated to using Connor Allen.!

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:19 pm EST

docjay - Was a HUGE advocate of VOLCHENKOV a few years back...desperately wanted the Rangers to sign him before he went to NJ...but he's a lefty and he's been breaking down at an alarming rate. I'm not sure what his salary demands would be, but I'd be more comfortable using Conner ALLEN as a fourth lefty at a bargain price than to pay Volchenkov a couple mil.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:18 pm EST

BOB - Hah, that's exactly what I called him..That or "Fat Tub of Goo"..Anyway, I rtust you know I was kidding about letting all four walk..But don't think keeping more than two is likely and one seems probable..Spin the Wheel Make a Deal..Four men Enter Thee men Leave...

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:15 pm EST

HOSPO------I don't remember back that far, but I bet you loved Lardass Espo when he was our GM. Remember "enough waiting?" He traded for every clown and loser available trying to win. The roster turned over more than Miley Cyrus back then.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:12 pm EST

Polis - I'd have levity with you if you weren't a troll. That not being the case, I'll just continue to call you out whenever you violate the TOS here and throw out your usual screed. You did a great job over the weekend. I could only count a few points that you didn't violate...namely you haven't posted porn and aren't trying to sell something. What gives?

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:11 pm EST

volchenkov is whats missing from this ranger d a mean punishing hitter that forces opponents to hesitate and keep their heads up . i would look to sign him up hes only 32 and still has some mileage left

docjay


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:08 pm EST

RF4L - Just to play devil's advocate here, since I agree NCAA are a bit of a crapshoot...Kyle JEAN was a big crap shoot. He had one good year at Lake Superior State...had size and liked to drive to the net...but outside of that, played a pretty pedestrian game...In terms of long shots, Jean was pretty much a 100-1 odds. Rangers thought they could work with him, bulk him up a bit and maybe he'd make it...but he regressed after a hot start...finished pretty piss-poor and then couldn't even crack the Pack's lineup by season's end...the difference between a kid like this and say HAGGERTY or McCARTHY is the latter two are much more developed players who actually have a good track record, not flash-in-the-pan seasons...yeah, I wish we had our first rounders too...but instead we have Nash and MSL...and the bargain bin is the only place we have to sort of in-fill from those trades...but I'll say this: Guys now who have successful NCAA careers are more of a sure thing than they were before...Not saying any of the four we signed will make it, but we're looking at 15-1 and 20-1 odds as opposed to the chance we took on Jean.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:07 pm EST

Hospo: Unfortunately with Sather it's neither shiny or lumps of coal - it's more like him holding out his hands saying "look what I stepped in". :)

Ranger47


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:04 pm EST

Bob: Indeed. And used-car salesmen. No offense to anyone here who might be a cop, pol or lord of the lot.

Nick


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:00 pm EST

BOB - Tht's why I want Boyle, Stralman, Moore and Pouliot to go elsewhwere...So we can see what new shiny toys or old lumps of coal we get..! :)

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:56 am EST

How weird is it that we approach free agent day and we are more concerned over who we will lose than who we will be signing?

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:56 am EST

A litle levity TD? No, of course not. Youre far too serious when it comes to hockey. I forgot.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:56 am EST

Is 13 mins a night typical for 4th liners in the NHL? I don't know, seems to me it isn't but I couldn't be wrong...and why I called him more than just a typicl 4th liner...maybe not on the Rangers..but maybe in the NHL..And the over 16 mins a night the previous two years kinda cements him as having been much more thean a garden variety or , ahem, pedestrian NHL 4th liner.. ....And I'm sure Boyle sees it this way also....which is an important part to all the nnegotaitions..

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:54 am EST

Polis - Just can't help yourself huh? The day you finally melt down and get booted from this site will be a sweet one for all of us.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:49 am EST

nm, just listened to the interview. Misleading TSN headline, Gunnarson comments on unfairness of Phaneuf criticism

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:48 am EST

NICK---I love how you cut to the chase and get right to the issue. Penner does suck, but he is a very large waste of talent. As for the police................they are ALWAYS right and virtuous. Well, at least their character is above that of politicians!

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:44 am EST

Ok. If theres no 4th line, I guess Boyle was on the 3B line as opposed to 1st, 2nd, or 3rdA? I think everyone else in the universe would say fourth line. If you reduce special teams time, the berth between 3A and 3B is even wider than the 2:00 it is otherwise. In practical terms? Boyle played 4th line minutes almost all season, and in the playoffs. Does AV play his 4th more than recent coaches? Sure.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:39 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456066 Gunnarson rips into Phaneuf?

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:35 am EST

Shane O'Brien and Tim Gleeson also "waived"..MTL trying to work out a way to get rid of Josh Gorges,,,,,ANy Ranger rumors from the beat guys?

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:33 am EST

Hmmm, Devils waive and buyout Volchenkov..Guy can hit like a mack truck at times but was overpaid.....He'll catch on somehwere

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:29 am EST

BOB - I see what you're saying...... I kinda agree/disagree....Of course he's not a 2nd liner,,,But when we saw him thriving in the POs the last three years it wasn't as a "4th liner".. He averaged over 16min, 18 min and 13 mins a night in the POs....It's true that AV's 4th line this past year was more of a 3B line...I could live with that...But Can Boyle live with the ice time and the money that's gonna be slotted for it in NY? I don't think so..We'll see

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:05 am EST

Rhet: I didn't think Kreider was arbitration eligible...oh well...no matter. I think the Rangers get him signed for 3-5 years at a nice cap hit. Perhaps he decides he is ok with a shorter deal with hopes of getting a much bigger one in a couple years after he shows he can improve and keep at a higher level. But both he s zucc I am sure know that the limited time they have played well will be used against them, and rightly so, in arbitration. I don't think either will be stupid with what they ask for.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:03 am EST

Boyle's ATOI in the playoffs was virtually the same as Moores, and less than 9 other forwards'. It was 4th line + PK time.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 11:00 am EST

The rap on Penner is that he sucks. The 'rap sheet' on Buff is a 'mile long' and he's '75 pounds overweight' and a 'girlfriend abuser.' I looked it up: a 2011 arrest for boating while drunk; passed a breathalyzer. Cops said he was 'hopped up on drugs,' and they always tell the truth. Whatever. We only want boy scouts like Nash with his 4 goals in 30 playoff games. I know I feel better about that as a Ranger fan.

Nick


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:58 am EST

RHET - Good for Zucc...Hope his agent is as flexible..At RFA, it seems like the players and even management give and take more to get it done for many years (except Sather--see Stepan last year)..But once they get to the UFA it's all about showing the money....So, Rhet, you are correct..much better to get it done now...Sather and his staff sure have a lot of work to do!

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:54 am EST

HOSPO-----IMO, Boyle thrived in the 4th line role because that is the right role for him. He is effective and very good on the PK. Torts was in love with Boyle and had him playing second line minutes, the OK and the PP and that resulted in his HOSPO-created moniker of Boitano. No problem with Boyle wanting more responsibility and the $ that goes with it, but results have shown that is a poor bet. For me, I would love to have him back in NY but he needs to get all he can on this contract. This is his big opportunity to cash in.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:52 am EST

I know everyone is mostly focused on our UFA's at the moment, but the Rangers are having a more precarious time with their RFA's this season. Both Zuc and Kreider could take Sather to arbitration and become UFA's next season. Where they could then go after a lot more money. I'm glad to read that Zuc is being the total team guy. Hopefully, Kreider will follow suit. There is no future without these two guys. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:49 am EST

BOYLE was pretty much played like a 3rd liner during the entire POs and look how well he did and look how well the team did...Rangers may not need him or any of the individual "4th liners" as much during the regular season but they sure as hell need him big time in the POs.where BOYLE has stepped up like no other Ranger in the last three years..He is far from my favorite player but talk about getting the job done in the POs!....Which to me is much more important.....Maybe try and have a sit down with the guy, if you can or want to say that you can give him 3B type minutes along with Speciality teams, maybe he stays...Even then, that has to be accompanied by the money because afterall, no matter what a GM in a weak bargaining position and who hasn'[t managed his cap well will say regarding "winning is more important", it's not, it's about money and family and still having the possibility to win...But money first

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:47 am EST

Glennie boy, Lock up Zuc NOW..... Mats Zuccarello said today that he wants the Rangers to remain competitive so he won’t “push” his salary to the maximum and it’s more important to him to be locked up in a long-term deal and that the Rangers can challenge for the Stanley Cup every year. (Nettavisen) Zuccarello said that he hopes for a 3-4 year deal and thinks that he has become part of the core. He said that a long-term deal would show confidence from the organization and help him play better. (Nettavisen) He added that he will listen to what his agent said but that a deal could be done in days or end with arbitration. (Nettavisen) Zuccarello’s agent said that his client will receive a salary based on the market. The Rangers sent Zuccarello a qualifying offer of $1.15 million and Zuccarello has arbitration rights. He is eligible to be a UFA next summer.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:46 am EST

Kyle Jean is a perfect example, IMO, of how much a crap shoot it is chasing amateur UFAs (be it college or junior). There's a reason most were never drafted. That's not to say occasionally it does work out, because it does. It's a rarity, however. Keep those draft picks going forward Sather, you dumb ass!!

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:44 am EST

I would love to see the Rangers move Nash, but like everyone else, I don't think they have any desire to. Too bad, because I would like to see the free agent 4 return and they probably cannot with Nash still here. It will be up to Vigneault to build a new, effective 4th line using the players in the Rangers system. This is why coaches get the big bucks. Let's see what he can accomplish.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:43 am EST

Bob: Strongly suspect Duclair will be returned to junior and that's already the plan, seeing as they talked about the fact that his team will be in the Memorial Cup next year, plus hoping for a WJC Canada team invite was mentioned. Of course, if he blows everyone away at camp, there's a chance he'll turn pro, but he'll have to really blow for that to happen!

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:41 am EST

Mess, I dont disagree with some of that, quite a bit even. The biggest problem is itd be turning over 1/3 of one of the better defenses in the league (not to mention handing 1/6 of it to a rookie in McIrath). But they may not have a choice with some of it. Few things; one, as much as I love Girardi, he was starting to remind me of Chuck Wepner by playoffs end. Buff & Girardi contracts are similar, 5.2 & 5.5. Girardi has a modified NMC, but that can be overcome. Buff doesnt want to play forward anymore, though id sure love to have the option for even an OT playoff game like we just went through. The guy was huge up front for the Blackhacks a few years back. As for him on D, the biggest problem from what Id read was he was severely overused and got sloppy. 25 minutes plus the PP time - and in a real hostile environment where theyre all over him. I suggested a few weeks ago shipping Klein + for him, but dont know if WPG would go for it. But Girardi's contract to me seems a lot like the ones Marleau & Thorton got. essentially sign & trades. Could you imagine, with all the UFAs we're possibly losing right now, if we had Girardi hanging in the balance too?!! So I think Sather locked him up to deal with it later. Now, those serious notes aside, Id like to give you TDCHI's take LOL; ahhh.... Polis.... LMFAO..... Dustin Bfuglyein?! ..... your wonders never cease! Big Buff is a PIMP! he has a rap sheet a mile long & you want to trade half our top d-pair to bring in a guy 75lbs overweight who's a serial GF-abuser? The guy the Rangers should be all over is UND's Brock Zoolander.... reminds me of Shea Weber but a better skater..... 6-4 and led the Fighting Sioux in hits, points and fighting majors! (never mentioning the guy wont be NHL-ready for 3 years and we're chasing Cup) This is the kind of young stud we need, not some bloated Huggy Bear of a defenseman who can't play defense! Youre irrationality has me trembling with laughter. :)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:40 am EST

Guess Penner isn't a Saskatchewan farm boy!!

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:40 am EST

Dion Phaneuf in NY with Elisha Cuthbert........and Sean Avery? Could be good for Page 6 but not for the Rangers. On DUCLAIR------I asm going the RF4L route and am hoping he ends up back in juniors for one more year. Big jump from there to the NHL.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:37 am EST

schniedw - I don't think it's a matter of not finding a partner for NASH...If the Rangers put him on the market, they'd have at least a few takers...there's just no will to move him...the time to cut and run from him was at the draft...the fact that they didn't suggests they're all in with this guy. My prediction is that he'll light up the first couple months of the season, then slowly creep back into obscurity and ultimately finish somewhere in the 25 goals, 20 assists range before riding a nice pointless streak through the playoffs. Then the Rangers will try to move him. Of course, at that point he won't be worth very much.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:37 am EST

Dustin Penner---------huge kid. Has some skill. Has been given top like status in 4 cities now, and quickly worked his way down to a healthy scratch. The Ducks let him walk when he signed an offer sheet with Edmonton and he was replaced by Matt Beleskey. He underachieved in Edmonton. He had been a healthy scratch in both cities. He lost his spot in LA to Dwight King, and was sent to the Capitals where he did not last either. His biggest issue when he was out here is SoCal? Out of shape. I don't see him as a Vigneault type of player, and he will be too expensive to play in the 3rd or 4th line.

Bob


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:36 am EST

IMO, there's ZERO chance Nash gets moved for picks. That is totally contrary to the MSL acquisition. For that matter, I strongly suspect that's an almost ZERO chance Nash gets moved at all. I would be very surprised to learn that Sather is even shopping Nash at all. In other words, the only way he's traded is if another GM comes calling and puts a fabulous offer on the table (and why would that happen given his lousy PO, concussion injuries and fat contract?). I strongly believe Nash won't be going anywhere anytime soon. And looking further down the road, I wouldn't be surprised to see him bought on in 3 summers, when there's only a year left on his deal.

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:34 am EST

On Big Buff, according to the HNIC guys, he is a team guy who when a new Jet arrives, is the first to welcome him aboard and make him feel part of the team. This seems like another bullshit rap because he's not a Saskatchewan farm boy.

Nick


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:33 am EST

Via Strang: "Today is deadline for teams to submit qualifying offers. Only players the Rangers did NOT QO: Falk, Jean, Stajcer, Wilson, Beach." Shame on Kyle JEAN. He looked pretty good when he first came to the Pack, but never could ratchet up his game from his first incredible month with the team...was a bottom line plugger the last time I saw him play...Kyle BEACH too...Just a shame the light switch to pop on with his change in location...But really not much of a loss given the influx of talent coming to the Pack.

tdchi


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:33 am EST

now=no

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:33 am EST

Agreed Duclair is an exciting prospect. I am leery, however, of the words 'if he's injured'. That implies he's still suffering post-concussion symptoms and if so, that's scary because he suffered that injury 4 months ago.

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:32 am EST

schneidw: That is about the only way I say trade Nash. Otherwise its silly to move a 30 goal scorer. He may have disappeared offensively in the playoffs...but you need to get there. The division will be tough, and the wildcard spots will be tough to get. Every point is vital, and some want to move Nash for picks...and I think that would all but guarantee a playoffs with now Rangers.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:32 am EST

NASH TRADE_ I am NOT endorsing this trade scenario, but TOR is looking to rid itself of Dion Phaneuff and his comparable salary to Nash... Nash was born near Toronto... Point being, Nash is tradeable... just not for assets of any value...

schneidw


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:31 am EST

Just say no to Byfuglien. There's a reason he was traded by the Hawks despite his strong 2010 PO and why he's constantly in Jet trade rumours. He can be and sometimes is a dressing room distraction and is tough on coaches (his inept, indifferent play helped get Claude Noel fired last winter). I'll bet the Jets would happily trade him straight up for Girardi. IMO, if you're prepared to move Girardi, you do so for a mid-20s established top 6 forward, like Jordan Eberle, for example. And beware of moving him in the first place - he gets maligned on here (and elsewhere) quite frequently and quite unfairly (IMO). Lots of minutes and a steady partner for the improving McDonagh. He won't be easy to replace. If G does go, I can only assume AV would be looking for Marc Staal to move up beside McD. That would leave a big hole on the 2nd pairing, especially with the anticipating pending departure of Stralman.

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:27 am EST

Rangers did NOT qualify Falk, Jean, Stajcer, Wilson, or Beach. No big shockers there. Thought them may Qualify Falk than try and flip him for a pick to a team in need of D depth or some cap hit to get to the floor. 2 or 3 teams will need to spend some $$ to get there...an extra Dman is always a smart way to take up cap room.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:26 am EST

NASH TRADE- Heck, if Scott Gomez and his contract could be traded, then certainly Rick Nash can be dealt under the right circumstances. One possibility, Ottawa Senators need to trade Spezza and could absorb Nash's salary. Nash may waive his NTC since he grew up near Ottawa who have a hard time luring free agents and may be willing to gamble... NYRs can let Spezza walk after next year... win-win trade!!!

schneidw


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:03 am EST

Mess: Agree with that last post. The big guy isn't even a D man full time with PEG, but next to Staal, allowing him to be defensive first, and Byfuglien could help the Offense...OR you could even trade for Byfuglien to be the 3rd line RW....costly for that spot, but would bring some "O" and size and could play the point of the PP as well. Add to that you would always have an extra Dman in case of injury during a game. But the versatility and PP help may be worth 5.2 per for 2 years. Well depending on what the cost of other players is and what the cost of the trade would be of course.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 10:02 am EST

Anthony Duclair has one season left of junior eligibility and can either spend next season with the Rangers or return to Quebec in the QMJHL. Duclair had 50 goals and 49 assists last season for Quebec. Asked about Duclair, Gordie Clark said, “we saw him a lot in the season and he just ratcheted his speed up to another level in the second half and that is what caused a lot of those goals. We are hoping for a World Junior invite for him and let him get that experience but they are also in the Memorial Cup so he will go deep into the season next year which is good for him.” (Rangers) Rangers assistant GM Jeff Gorton said, “he was good last year when he came to camp and he took off when he got back to Quebec. We are always looking for a young guy to make the team, it’s good for everything, the room, the cap, there are a lot of reasons why we want young players to make our team. Will he do it, I don’t know but we are never in a situation where we will say that he is going back to junior no matter what, we would love for a guy to come in at 19 and make our team, a guy with speed like that, with the way we play, I think he would be a good fit for us. Cross our fingers that he is healthy but if he isn’t he will go back and hopefully score 60 goals instead of 50.” (Rangers) On Duclair, Craig Button said during the NHL Draft, “Duclair was a third round pick last year….steal. It’s so interesting, we heard a lot about Anthony Deangelo and Josh Ho-Sang in this years draft and can they fit in with a team, maturity issues, same thing with Anthony Duclair going in the third round. It’s a steal, he should have been a first round pick. He is a big time, outstanding athlete and really good player. He got in the cross-hairs of Patrick Roy with the Quebec Remparts but people might say, he listen, that is is the lightning rod that got him to mature a bit but at the smae time it’s what allowed the Rangers to get him in the third round.” Rangers prospect camp starts today

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:44 am EST

Rabid- I don't think that is a great option, and let me tell you why: Girardi costs much less than Buff, and he is a great complement to McD and/or Staal. Having Buff and McD waters down McD's output, as Buff's D is exceptionally bad. McD is forced into an almost exclusively defensive role. I don't think you come out ahead in that scenario. If you were to put Buff with Staal, it would be much better. HOWEVER, then you have no one who can play McD's minutes as his partner. Staal-Buff becomes first pair, and McD-Klein becomes a decidedly lopsided second. Girardi is just too good a partner of McD/Staals to move. Staal and McD are too good to move. Klein is good, but we can improve. If you can get Buff without moving Girardi, then we have two very solid pairs, balanced O and D. If Klein could be part of the package and McIlrath is ready to step up, even better.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:31 am EST

Actually Wild, there is one way to do it. Hate to say it cause I love the guy, but IF McIrath is ready, deal Girardi to WPG for Bfuglyein, let Stralman walk, and promo to McIlrath. Now you've added offense/point man, and are way bigger on that rich side. MCD/Buff, Staal/Klein, Moore/McIlrath. Probably never happened though...

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:16 am EST

I think Klein is a good match for John Moore for the same reasons. It will be up to McIlrath to show he can provide as much protection for Moore as does Klein. Probably McIlrath travels with the team a la Falk, barring injury, and plays the forecastable easy games. Not sure where McIlrath is on depth compared to Allen, Bodie. I guess that's what training camp is for.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:11 am EST

Klein was never first pair D in Nashville. Weber has always been above him on the depth chart, for obvious reasons. And a second-pair in Nashville does not equal a second pair D for the Rangers. His ATOI in Nashville for the past three seasons was betw 19:00-20:00, behind the Weber pair's 25:00. You're right in that he's not a good match for Staal, but its because he cant contribute offensively to justify Staal staying back, and he cant defend anywhere near as capable as Staal. So Staal floats, Klein gets exposed, Staal has to hustle back, goal against. That's why Klein hasn't clicked with Staal. Its why Stralman didn't click with Staal at first, until AV had Staal staying back and Strals floating, which is something that he can do only a little bit better than Klein. Both Strals and Klein are great third-pair, but neither is good second-pair on championship team, particularly when paired with Staal. Need a passer who is obviously more offensive than Staal, allowing Staal to focus on D.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 9:07 am EST

wild I'm right with you on McIlrath, every word. Been waiting on this kid forever. Here's the thing I can't figure. Even IF they let Stralman walk, they have to import an O/dman, let's say Boyle just cause its in the air. He wants 2 yrs. Klein would still.be here, MCI is crowded out. Maybe they move Klein eventually, but that's only way I see him getting in. They MUST add a righty point shot and the right side is SRO.Same time, we're about to have some real needs, we're losing people starting mid night. Depends what's on table, but this is a go-go year if ever there was one.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:57 am EST

Mess: Yes Jones took Kleins spot on the roster....Just like Jones would push Dmen down the chart on most teams. And He STILL played 3-5 min more per game with Nashville than he did with the Rangers last year. Add to that, he got parts of Games with Staal, it took Staal/Stralman half a season to start to really click well. Klein given as much time would be much better there as well. But as I said, a offensive presence there would be preferable to Klein...he and Staal are too similar. Would be hard to score on them, but with the lack of offensive game from the blueline there would be more chances against than if one of the pair could help keep offensive pressure on....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:50 am EST

Plus, Klein's ATOI this season put him fourth on Nashville, after Weber, Josi and Jones.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:50 am EST

Rabid: Yikes, already to cut McIlrath loose? He isn't just a Dman, he is a monster, even longer to develop in most cases. Also, Don't forget, while he played a couple games on ATOs and played in some playoffs games 3 and 4 seasons ago, he only has 2 pro seasons under his belt, and he had that knee injury in the middle there. When he came up for those 2 games he didn't look terrible, he looked like a kid who moved up to a higher level and was adjusting, but he wasn't lost or anything. He also from all reports went back to the AHL and was a better player, like he learned something in that short stint and applied it, or just decided he really liked being with an NHL team and redoubled his efforts. In any case he got better as the season went. Coming into camp healthy and driven may force the Rangers to shuffle the deck, and that is a very good thing...and would not shock me in the least. The Rangers could use a kid with that size and energy on the back end.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:47 am EST

Wild- Nashville sucks. They were in the bottom third of the league in goals against. The coach that played Klein that much doesn't work there anymore. Plus, they traded him to us for someone whose rights they won't even qualify a few months later. AV tried him several times with no less sturdy a defender as Staal. It didn't take. Not exactly a strong case for Klein as second-pair.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:36 am EST

Messier11: Klein was the number 2 or 3 Dman for ice time in Nashville, he was the guy who was out against the Crosby and Ovechkin types. Don't underestimate what he is capable of. He is not McD, Giradi or Staal, but most teams have 1 or 2 of "them" not 3. Klein with a regular shift on the second pair and time to get comfortable with his partner would be good. HOWEVER, if a more offensive guy can be had for that 2nd pair, and McIlrath is ready for a 3rd pair role than I agree on Klein. But since depth is so important, might leave the kid in the AHL to start the season and make sure there is proper depth. Can always move a guy at the deadline to get another need, or to get more than you should...a desperate team may overpay with a first rounder if they have 2 or 3 D men down and are looking at slipping in the standings.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:31 am EST

BOYLE: Here is my take for what its worth. Boyle says he wants to be a bigger part of a team...basically he probably wants some offensive zone starts, some PP time and to not be the defender only forward. Well, my though it, he had the chance to get that with the Rangers. If he took advantage of his chances, I know he didn't have many, but the ones he did have in close, he missed the net, he did that a lot over the last 2 seasons. If last year he was able to bury just half of those in tight chances or at least forced the goalie to make a save, AV may have plugged him in front on the PP. I cant imagine an NHL coach leaving a 6'7" 245 pound forward who can get the puck on net from in close off the PP. Boyle is the reason that Boyle is not used in more situations. He had a great year, and it got him a good deal, and he was not able to reproduce it...even when he had chances to score and really force AV to use him more.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:24 am EST

if we got Boyle and McIlrath is ready for full-time minutes, we'd trade Klein. Neither Klein or McIlrath are capable of second-pair minutes at the moment. Klein, unlike McIlrath, was given a few bites at the apple last season. Need a second-pair passer, and when McI is ready that makes Klein expendable.

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:24 am EST

BTW, MDZ may not even get a qualifying offer from the Predators. The Rangers qualified everyone except for Falk.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:19 am EST

NN...We've had BB on the 3rd line before and he wasn't very good. In fact, he's had his playing time reduced the last couple of years playing for 2 different coaches during the regular season. What makes anyone think any of that has changed? Our best course of action may be to let Boyle sign elsewhere and then trade for him when his new team realizes their mistake.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 8:10 am EST

Boyle said he wants more responsibility aka don't want to be a 4th liner and in AV's system he is a 4th liner where he belongs. I think he is going to be one of those players..the grass is not always greener on the other side.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jun 30 2014 7:56 am EST

Dan Boyle will have “multiple offers” tomorrow on a two-year deal when Free Agency opens. (Darren Dreger) Boyle’s top five is reportedly Tampa Bay, Detroit, Toronto, the Rangers and Montreal. (Darren Dreger) Tampa Bay, with their new cap space, is expected to make a push to bring Boyle back to Tampa. (Garrioch)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 30 2014 7:42 am EST

Dunno if it's been posted here, but Dan Boyle's camp has indicated that the Rangers are interested in him and are in his 'top 5'. Hope McI is able to make the Rangers this fall!

RF4L


Mon Jun 30 2014 6:53 am EST

Tampa saved all that money last night trading Purcell, then Gagner. Now they're going after Dom Moore. Gotta expect a lot of this, annoying though it as gonna be. Tough to compete with teams that need to spend to hit cap floor or have lots of room. Confident Rangers will make guys decent to fair offers, they'll have opportunity to stay. But its up to them, the players. Also expect more trades today. Teams should have a good sense buy today of the landscape. I'd love to see us make at least one to address an impending hole, take some pressure off.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 3:36 am EST

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/Canucks+pesky+winger+Derek+Dorsett+loves/9985634/story.html

Messier11


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:58 am EST

NFL Concussion Settlement article from 3 days ago.....http://nypost.com/2014/06/25/nfl-agrees-to-blank-check-to-pay-out-concussion-damages/

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:37 am EST

Dustin Penner is another UFA... He earned $2mill last year, listed at 6'4" 247lbs.....67gp/14g/21assists/35points...... Wonder if this guy can skate.....

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:34 am EST

On McIlrath: As impatient as I am with this signing, the kid deserves approx an 18 month grace period in his development time due to busting his knee cap...... It'll be a shame if he can't compete on the big club and on a "play-off" level......

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:28 am EST

They can live with losing and replacing each of the four....All of the four is another story..I'd rather not...but still doable with smart pickups.....RABID - I think MCI has a good future with the Rangers..but he MAY still need another 3-5 months...I don't want to rush the kid..or give up on him..o, really, trade him given the singular characterisitcs he would bring to the Ranger....sooner or later

Hospo


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:15 am EST

Rabbit: :-) Mark Fayne's name was brought up earlier.. He's 27, 6'3", 210lbs and earned $1.3mill last year... He had 4 goals & 7 assists last year.. Stralman 1 goal 12 assists.... I'll take the goals & the savings.........http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5435 ................ JOE CORVO is also an UFA and can probably be signed 1YR at $1mill or less....... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?879

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:06 am EST

Right there think you're touching on key point. Dylan McIlrath could be as big in this equation as any offers our guys may get. I think many feel Puliot risky long term, and we should be able to replace his offense rather easily. Any offensive forward carrying his weight should match or exceed his production with Zuc & Brass. Does not replace his size or work in the crease, but not the end all. To my mind, Stralman is the most important UFA we have, because the D is still the strength of our team.Staal and Girardi arent the sire things they once were. Same time, if he goes, Klein moves up and maybe its not a crushing loss. But can MCI step into a regular role? He cant be doing ice angels in the SCFs. And if he's not ready this year, and Beukeboom apparently said during finals he is, OK, maybe they get by. If not, McI should help fetch you a pretty nice player on the trade market, and really, how much longer is the wait for this kid anyway. Dmen take longer, but its like 5 years since he was drafted. I think they survive the loss of Boyle, but it'd suck. Can survive losing Moore too, but to lose both, and have our best 4th line in years completely gone, that'd be bad news.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:04 am EST

Jussi Jokinen

mf


Mon Jun 30 2014 12:03 am EST

I'm confident Stralman is gone..... he's easily replaced when factoring the dollars he'll be shown on the open market and what it would cost us...... Next Pouliot, while I don't want to break up that lines chemistry, if he expects too much from us, let's say more than $2.75-$3mill py for 3yrs.... he's got to go... I hope Boyle doesn't ask for the Moon & the Stars... On a competitive team, he's a 4th liner. Does he want to be a 3rd liner on an inferior team...... There are several excellent skaters available if we have to add a 3rd line wing and 2 4th liners..... Mason Raymond, Setoguchi, Vrbata, Kulemin, Marcel Goc, Tanner Glass

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:47 pm EST

Ranger47 -" I know Hospo will not like to hear that, but given the cap situation coupled with our failure to sign enough of our core players to longer contracts last year...we may be backed into a corner on our options this year until the trading deadline." Add in the lack of any impact making propsects and I think you put forth a good summary of the Ranger situation this off season (and yes, I'm not crazy about being limited to that)..............so much depends on what the other teams are offering our FA and if Sather will give in at all and for who (Stralman? Boyle?)....I'm trusting/hoping Sather already knows and has identified the FA or trade (he can be sneaky) options for replacements...We'll know soon enough

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:28 pm EST

My theory is that if done before the playoff success, Boyle et al would have re-upped for less. Maybe 2.25 for Boyle, Moore reportedly seeking less than 2 right now. Stralman may have been happy to be wanted last year. //// If I were Y, I would have held Gagner. He is 24.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:25 pm EST

Don't agree with idea we're going to lose everyone, as many have suggested. Think Boyle most vulnerable. Canadian papers saying Puliot should expect plenty of interest. Sather will fight to keep guys he wants most, he's crying poverty more than situation calls for. We did just lop Richards $6.7m off books and cap is rising by $5. But ball's in the player's court here. Problem way I see it is if we were to lose BB, Puliot and Stralman, we lose two of our biggest forwards and the hardest hitting Dman we had in the playoffs at least. Being barely physical enough, this doesn't bode well. And there aren't many rough & tumble types available via FA, though there might be via trade. Still, feels like we're about to get raided. Its a compliment in a way cause we won our conference, but it won't feel so. good Tuesday of these ghuhs all go.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:21 pm EST

Nobody would have given Boyle $3M+ mid-season.....Without that playoff many would be saying see ya later....I can't get on Sather too bad as nobody predicted the playoff run.....I still say someone will be very sorry if they overpay for Pouliot.....We shall see.....

PJ


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:19 pm EST

Yzerman pretty busy today -- "@Real_ESPNLeBrun With the 3 trades tonight, TB saved $5,583,333 in cash and $5,650,000 in cap space; plus added a 4th, a 6th and a 7th round pick."

Gibbo


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:15 pm EST

To me, Moore was pretty good all season long. We knew what we had in Pouliot by olympic break, Boyle has been consistently, well…Boyle. Could have done something then for cheaper. You have a point on Strals, but reports were saying that Slats wanted to keep him even when he was sucking.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:11 pm EST

Easy to say Sather should have locked these guys down mid-season....Not many were happy with Boyle, Pouliot or Stralman mid season....All three got better as season progressed and Boyle, Moore and Stralman made themselves some money with their playoff performance.....Pouliot had a good second half and a decent playoff minus the dumbass penalties.....

PJ


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:32 pm EST

And BTW, Nashville looking to dump Del Zotto, may not even qualify him.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:30 pm EST

Check that JFC. was thinking of Buffalo'S Tyler Myers, who is a righty. Erhoffs not. AVs insistent with righty-lefty. They won't go for him unless they look to move John Moore. And assuming they don't move Staal, which I can't see happening.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:20 pm EST

Agree JFC, Erhoff could now be in their mix. Had his 44&50-pt years under AV, who's bound to remember that fondly, especially compared to what he had to work with this year. Same time, AV presumably had a say in him being moved out of VC, so who knows.....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:17 pm EST

Looks like Tampa retained almost 2 mill of Gagner's salary.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:02 pm EST

They just picked up Garrison and they have carle, hedberg. Don't think they're in the market for any more D. They're trying to replace the O they've lost in Lecav and MSL.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:59 pm EST

Vrbata would definitely be on my radar if things really go south with Puliot. Plays both wings, right shot, 6-2 and crafty. Streaky but then no one's perfect. Closer to perfect costs you around $6m per Haha

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:59 pm EST

M!!: I think you hit the nail on the head, the TBL have $9.5mill in Cap Space for STASTNY and almost the entire roster is signed... Reminder: No State Income Tax in Florida, that's substantial.

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:55 pm EST

Crombeen @ $1,150,000 is $850K less expensive than David Moss ($2mill) an Arizona RW UFA........ Vrbata a RHS RW is also an UFA... Earned $3mill last season

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:48 pm EST

Wow. Talk about cap dumping! Crombeen and Gagner to Arizona for a 6th round pick! Wonder if Erhoff or Stralman will end up in Tampa. The Sam Gagner market sure dropped off precipitously. Last deadline the Oilers thought they were getting a #1 pick for Gagner.

Bob


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:44 pm EST

Ehrhoff.......Come to NYR.........give our power play a chance! BTW......as much as i like Stralman....if he is looking for crazy money....fuck him......1 goal in 81 games of regular season......0 fuckin goals in 25 playoff games.......Who the fugg he think he is? Paul Coffey? Say yes to Christian!

TradeStar28


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:44 pm EST

head is spinning

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:43 pm EST

TB making a pitch for Stastny probably.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:43 pm EST

Speaking of Tampa, their D Man Andrej Sustr (6ft8 225lbs) R handed shot- we had him year before last in Traverse city and decided to pass on him...

PatrickDiv


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:42 pm EST

WHAT McKenzie reporting Gagner and Crombeen for a 6th???

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:37 pm EST

Bob, how'd you get that news so quick? GAGNER is listed Arizona's roster on CapGeek..... http://capgeek.com/coyotes/

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:35 pm EST

$4.5m for 12 goals from Purcell? I would have minded him on NYR.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:25 pm EST

The REAL failing of Sathers was not locking these guys down mid-season when modest raises would have been a beau geste. Then we trade Strals.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:25 pm EST

Sam Gagne was not a Lightning for long. He is now a Coyote. Sure would not have minded Purcell on the Rangers.

Bob


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:22 pm EST

I wasn't even counting Carcillo although with Dorsett gone I sure hope we keep him....This guy got screwed in what was otherwise a good playoff for him....Scored one of my favorite goals of the playoffs vs the Flyers and the celebration was classic....

PJ


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:20 pm EST

I think we lose three. I think Boyle and Strals are gone, I think we keep one or two of Carcillo, Moore and Pouliot.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:20 pm EST

Wanted us to sign Ribeiro a couple of years ago but certainly don't want us bringing trouble to this team....I believe Maloney....

PJ


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:17 pm EST

Don't believe for a minute we lose all four of these players...Ranger47....Agree the big reason for the Ranger success was the chemistry on this team....They appeared to play for each other and just found a way to win.....All four of these guys were a big part of that....

PJ


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:10 pm EST

@TSNBobMcKenzie EDM's trade of Sam Gagner to TB for Ted Purcell doesn't necessarily mean Gagner will stay in TB. Buyout a possibility but so is a trade.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:56 pm EST

TD: I re-read that article and did not walk away with the same conclusions.. My take is that Sather was rather practical and accurate on the points he brought forth.. Naturally, he's going to play the angles which most support his objectives..... If this group wants to keep the core together, they're all going to have to concede something.......

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:49 pm EST

Nash would never agree to go to Edmonton, the salary is about double Gagners or Purcells.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:49 pm EST

Gagner signed for the next two years at $4.8mil, 3 mill less than Nash and 1 less year. Would have pushed Miller to Dorsetts spot, and we offer IGGY the same Contract I propose we offer DAN BOYLE, and your roster turnover is a whopping 3 players to boot......l

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:45 pm EST

If they took Purcell, why not NASH?

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:44 pm EST

Wallsters: I think this is a good time for Sather to offer one or two contracts with Bonus Incentives. 1) we're CAP strapped 2) In all probability the Cap will increase next year with the new TV deal 3) Sather is going to have half the contracts to deal with as this year, MSL, Stepan, Hagelin, Staal, ............. I re-crunched the numbers, and please critique: Brassard $4.25mill (thats a $1mill raise) Kreider $2.25mill, MZA $4.5mill, Brian Boyle $3.5mill, Pouliot $2.75mill, Dom Moore $1.75mill, John Moore $1.75mill, "DAN BOYLE $3MILL WITH AS MUCH AS $2MILL IN INCENTIVE BONUSES........ THIS TOTALS $23,750,000 (just $24,167 over our cap, so we're good) ......... Next, this from Capgeek pertaining to Bonuses: WHAT'S A BONUS OVERAGE? When the bonus cushion is in effect, teams can exceed the salary cap in performance bonuses by up to 7.5 percent of the salary cap's upper limit. Should performance bonuses actually earned at season's end push them past the salary cap's upper limit, the excess bonuses earned will be carried over as a penalty to the team's cap payroll the following season.... FOR MORE ABOUT THE BONUS & CAP RAMIFICATIONS: http://capgeek.com/faq/how-do-performance-bonuses-count-against-the-cap

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:31 pm EST

If they took Purcell, I think they would've taken Pouliot if he'd been under contract. I guess they'd take Hags also, though I cant say that I would've made that move.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:27 pm EST

Rick Nash for James vanRiemsdyk. Every Canadian kid wants to play in TO, right?

Bob


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:19 pm EST

wow.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:19 pm EST

Oilers' GAGNER finally moved...Tampa takes him for PURCELL.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:58 pm EST

Love Boyle and what he brings to the ice at playoff time.but, there is no way that he's going to fit the AV style as a "3rd line" player....he is simply not fast enough and not skilled enough....and he doesn't get it done during the regular season the way he does in the playoffs. If his agent negotiates with Sather and one of his bargaining points is playing time (ie; "my client wants 3rd line ice time, as well as PK), then he's a goner...as he should be. If Stralman plays "can you top this" with salary/yrs. then Sather should see it as an opportunity to get a PPQB like Boyle or Ehrhoff. Not for anything, but you'd think,that a guy like Ehrhoff(who just got paid a cool $12 million) would now be willing to take less $$ to play for a contender. We NEED to improve our PP.....it was one of the factors that kept us from winning the Cup. It has been an open wound going on 4 seasons now. If we improve the PP to top-10 level, then it will more than compensate for disruptions caused by our UFAs possibly flying the coup. FIX THE POWERPLAY! Spend the money there and fill in elsewhere

JFC31


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:33 pm EST

I think we can move him.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:24 pm EST

MelvilleFred/mf/Ilya - As the wall's resident NASH critic, I totally agree he ain't going anywhere...I also think its an absolutely horrible move by the Rangers...but the time to move him was at the draft table and that didn't happen(not that it was a surprise in the least)....Easiest move is to ditch Nash, dole out his contract to guys who actually perform and try to infill his vacancy from the prospect/pick you get back for him...but that didn't happen...and now the reality is, some....or maybe all...of our UFAs are toast. Kypreos posted something the other day saying the big four were all but gone...and the more I think about it, the more I agree this is what is going to happen...the key will be how Sather fills those spots...he's between a rock and a hard place with the cap. He can't spend like a drunken sailor...remember: Next year is going to be almost, if not more difficult than this one....the right move is to cut and run on Nash...the move the Rangers will make is to give him another chance.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:19 pm EST

Ranger47 - Sadly, that's apparently going to be the MO...sounds to me that of the four UFAs(Pouliot, Stralman, Boyle and Moore), three will be gone...Reading Sather's comments, I take away the message he's telling these guys if they want to stay in NY, they're going to have to take a hometown discount and suck up a two- to three-year contract...It's the reality of the Rangers situation as long as NASH is on the payroll...the reality is, the Rangers have NO money for a high-price UFA like STASTNY and probably couldn't even afford a mid-range guy like RIBIERO or BOLLAND without casting away all four...And signing all four doesn't seem like much of an option either...mf gave what I'd call a pretty accurate guestimate of next year's salary strata a few days ago and basically, the Rangers are still over where they need to be...we have $23 mill and the aforementioned numbers suggest something to the tune of $26 mill...Dorsett being moved helps relieve a little pressure...but in the end, some tough choices are going to have to be made...I think Pouliot is the first choice and Strals will be the second...who infills those spots? Well, Pouliot disappearing would give Boyle a chance to move up the depth chart, I suppose...infill his spot on fourth with a cheap contract to Carcillo...maybe sign WESTGARTH at a minimum...slide KRISTO or FAST into Pou's spot, McILRATH into the third-pairing and end up with something like this: Kreider-Step-Nash, Kristo/Fast-Brass-Zucc, Haglin-Boyle-MSL, Miller-Moore-Carcillo/Westgarth...McD-Girardi, Staal-Klein, Moore-MacTruck....you take a hit losing two really solid guys...But something needs to happen soon with Kristo...and Bolyer, perhaps, IS ready for a larger organizational roll.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:10 pm EST

I love the humor on the Wall......trade Nash.....move Nash....LOL like that could ever happen. Absolutely hilarious!!!! He's ours.....end of story! Deal with it and let's hope he's at least Gaborik.

MelvilleFred


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:02 pm EST

IGGY Plays Guitar................... :-)

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 6:57 pm EST

Trading Nash right now would be bad idea since we don't have snipers or gamebreakers other than Nash , 40 goal scorers don't grow on the trees !!!!

ilya


Sun Jun 29 2014 6:57 pm EST

Trading Nash right now would be bad idea since we don't have snipers or gamebreakers other than Nash , 40 goal scoters don't grow on the trees !!!!

ilya


Sun Jun 29 2014 6:50 pm EST

Polis - You are a funny bird...I'm not going to rehash everything I did with you last month re: KREIDER. Suffice to say, I never said he was "faking" an injury. I said the Rangers were looking for a way to quietly shuffle the kid back to the minors for an attitude adjustment before the rest of the planet caught on to what we Hartford fans noticed from the start, which is that Kreider was dogging it something fierce in the AHL and clearly was not giving the effort he needed to be the player everyone --both fans and coaches alike --knew he could be. The injury they listed for him was one that guys play through all the time. What was slowing him was attitude, not a few small bone spurs that miraculously were missed by all the Ranger docs during his exit physical...during camp and in the months before the lockout ended...Now, my concern isn't Kreider, since he clearly learned from his mistakes...it's you, since you do not. You're language here is almost as foul as your demeanor --neither of which comply with the TOS. And while I would never expect Kara to wield the ban hammer every time a four-letter no-no appears on this site, I can only hope that SHE reads your latest screed and comes to the same conclusion SHE did last spring.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 6:40 pm EST

Who cares enough, or is narcissistic enough to spend time trying to win arguments on an anonymous posting board about what someone else said when? I just don't get it. Opinions are fine to share, personal attacks are a waste of everyone's time. I bailed from here for months....but weakened and returned during the entertaining playoff run this season. Oh well.

Bob


Sun Jun 29 2014 6:34 pm EST

RR I honestly cannot see why one cannot deride or "slander" ' a player or prospect, that is what these boards are for - honest debate on the Rangers. The line should be drawn on posters. Nobody should be harassed or bullied into not giving their opinion. IMHO.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 29 2014 6:21 pm EST

Once again Bob (and others, including the off-on moderators of this place) sit by silently while players, prospects and posters are slanderd daily by a minority of one, only to then piously bemoan conditions when someone decides to fight against it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:51 pm EST

we'll drum up some interest

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:46 pm EST

NN: What's the cost for advertising on your stations? Can we get Dolan a home town discount? :>)

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:41 pm EST

MF: Here is what I meant to post..maybe the supposed lack of interest in Nash could be his $7.8 cap hit and the NMC.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:38 pm EST

MF:

DOUBLEN


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:38 pm EST

MF:

DOUBLEN


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:19 pm EST

Dear Glenn Sather, I heard it through the grapevine that Rick Nash and Joe Thornton had and may have chemistry playing together.... Now I know that San Jose's management has claimed they're leaning toward a rebuild, however, they just may be able to compete with L.A. & Anaheim with the addition of Rick Nash.... I think it's worth planting the seed in San Jose's brain, and odd's are Rick Nash will waive his NMC/NTC to go there.....

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:15 pm EST

And once again, this place devolves into an annoying cesspool of personal garbage.

Bob


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:02 pm EST

McClement is one of the best out there. Id take Boyle and Moore over him, but in the nuclear option of losing everyone he'd probably be the best replacement UFA for that role. Malhotra and Ott being the other two. No money saved on Ott, however. He's coming off big contract.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 3:01 pm EST

R47: The way I see it, we can not go after STASTNY without a taker for NASH....I have heard nothing as far as interest in NASH.........This year with Miller at center we are average down the middle but certainly not top tier down the middle. IMO, there's room to improve our wings and Stralmans spot.. This may prove the route to the least amount of roster turnover.....

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:55 pm EST

Jay McClement would be a good replacement for Boyle as our 3rd line Center, and still have to assume Moore will be back as our 4th Line C.

Higgy21


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:49 pm EST

I think by now Sather has fielded the range of salaries from all of our UFA/RFA & has an idea of what everyone thinks they're worth; unlessof course certain players are holding out for free-agency entirely........(not sure if thats the way it is, I would think a guy like Boyle & Stralman would have their agents throw out numbers to the Rangers) .......I'm cautiously optimistic Pouliot will sign for 3yrs at $2.75 p/y or something like $2.75,$3,$3.25... give or take a couple hundred thousand, but something that averages out to a cap hit of $3mill or less per year............ NASH: My mood Du' Jour thinks we're going into next season with him... To sign a complete roster, I believe Miller is moving to 3rd line center OR to Dorsetts spot on the 4th line... So, either we find a 3rd line center at the right price, or, we find a Wing to fill Dorsett's place......... I figure Stralman is the easiest guy to let go in order to manage the Cap, & easiest to replace.

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:41 pm EST

It also sounds like our cap situation is such that in order to keep a reasonable core in place this year and next, we may have to rely on some of our youngins. Maybe as Ranger's management you have to "assume" Miller and Lindberg will be on the team along with McIlraith. Maybe only one first line addition (like Stasny) is all you can "afford". And, if the chips fall right and the hockey gods smile on us, maybe those youth movement steps pan out. Given that we were so close to the Cup this past year, I'd love to keep as much of our team in place as possible, but perhaps you let some players walk, tweak what you have with youth and one or two signings and hope for the best this coming year with an eye on an even better team the following year. I know Hospo will not like to hear that, but given the cap situation coupled with our failure to sign enough of our core players to longer contracts last year and those year before we may be backed into a corner on our options this year until the trading deadline.

Ranger47


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:34 pm EST

When considering their options (including Ribeiro, Spezza,Stasny or whomever) the Rangers need to keep in mind the team chemistry/mindset. From all accounts, this last year's team liked each other and had a lot of comraderie. Losing a Boyle will hurt. But adding the right kinds of players in terms of locker room fit to what will be left of the core may be as important as choosing based on size or skill. JMHO

Ranger47


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:33 pm EST

don't know if you guys watch much TV…there is a new series called 'Fargo' based on the Coen brothers movie of the same name. One of the supporting characters is a retired Oilers enforcer named Wally Semenko. You'd think people would have learned about this kind of stuff from the multi-million dollar lawsuit from Tony Twist on the comic book mob-boss character named Anthony Twistelli

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:20 pm EST

We don't have Pouliot under contract yet, and still should move Nash. There is more than one hole for Utter-Shit Miller to fill. I don't think Ribeiro is the best option. He's not my first second third or fourth choice of who's available. But he may end up being the cheapest and the most bang for our buck.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:16 pm EST

Hipcheck, feel your pain. Been doing same but only in bits & pieces. Its actually way worse than first time around. And I can't even bring myself to look at Gm 2 again, not yet anyway. TDCHI, oy. This is as far as we go. Now your denying or ignoring you said Kreider faked injury? Because you said it at least 10 times, And right there I should've got everything off with you, because no serious hockey person would ever do such a thing. Tried to be nice, tried to reason, tried beating the hell out of you, but this is how you get your kicks. It makes your funky little pussy wet. Good for you. You'll keep reading my posts, hanging on every word, because your next original thought will be your first.You're nothing to me now. The Wall deserves better than this shit, so I have to do what I can, which is IGNORE you.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:12 pm EST

And who cares about Mike Ribeiro? He'd basically pick up where RICHARDS left off in his decline...would he be adequate for third line? Maybe...but the fact remains he's on his third team in three years...we have one of his coaches...a guy pretty respected in the league...saying he knew of his problems, but figured wrongly he could manage them...We want that in the lockerroom here? I don't think so. I'd be more comfortable taking a chance on MILLER than a risk on Ribeiro...and Hospo - You're 100 percent correct: I'd rather sign a concrete pylon than Ehrhoff.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:07 pm EST

this is what I am saying about tempering. You could have just as easily said 'leaves something to be desired' and most people would agree with you, or at least find it hard to disagree. And with Ribeiro, you could say that his numbers this season suggest that he's more of a second-line center instead of a first, if not considering any other season. That's a true statement. Instead, its 'pedestrian', and 'utter shit'

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:06 pm EST

GaryRanger - Just an educated guess, but I'd think it's because the Rangers know what they have in GRAVES...He's signed and will be in the pro camp this fall...just looking at the rest of the roster in camp and it looks like guys that are either heading back to juniors, college or are bubble players(NORREAU and ST. CROIX for instance) that need work...incidentally, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Graves...and ditto with Noreau...there are some HUGE blueliners in Hartford right now...Graves at 6'4, 220...Norreau at 6'5, 225...McIlrath at 6'5 220...now Mantha at 6'5 225...the latter three are all righties too.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:04 pm EST

unfortunately, the wall doesn't go back more than a month. But you said you didn't blame Tortorella for only playing three lines and not playing kids because his other options were 'utter shit'

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:03 pm EST

like when you pick the lowest season out of ten to justify a still-untenable description of pedestrian

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:00 pm EST

no, it would be like calling JT MILLER utter shit...But keep making things up..which has been your calling card with me...Lord knows I put my foot in my mouth often enough withoiut having toi deal with your lies and made up statements (the KREIDER one comes to mind)..Oh well...

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:57 pm EST

I don't kniow, a 16G 31A -15 for a second line center is pretty unispiring and unexciting to me, or pretty much pedestrian..But you can make up any words you want..Time to cut the grass......

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:55 pm EST

that'd be like calling our fourth line or kids 'utter shit'

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:52 pm EST

uh, one thing I wouldn't call it: pedestrian. Not with a straight face.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:49 pm EST

And iu did stick to the stats..You're the one that needs to look at them again for last year and the trends over the last 3-4

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:45 pm EST

MEssier11 - Then be concise instead of making things up......If yo uwant to criticize me for calling his seasom pedestrrain, do so,,Don't make something up....And, quit playing to the crowd, you know for sure talking about a top 2 line center here in Riberion not a 4-liner NHLer..Anyway--- 16G 31A -15 in 80 games ain't nothing to crtow about. for that..nor his his trend over the last 4vyearfs...Call it whatever you want....

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:39 pm EST

47 points is more than adequate, and it is not pedestrian. No twisting about it.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:39 pm EST

Hospo you'd have an easier time rectifying your predictions and assessments with reality if you tempered them beforehand. 47 points is not pedestrian by any objective standard. It does put him above Brassard, and it is an outlier to his entire career. You could call it a drop-off, but not when the previous season was PPG. Just do yourself a favor and stick to the facts instead of justifying prior bad statements

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:36 pm EST

http://milehighsticking.com/2014/06/29/paul-stastny-two-sides-story/

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:36 pm EST

RF4L , yes, thanks. Do we have a time limit when we have to sign our draftees to a contract? Just curious.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:33 pm EST

http://msn.foxsports.com/arizona/story/coyotes-buy-out-ribeiro-citing-behavioral-problems-062714 missed busses, meetings, late for practice, verbal altercation with Tippett. Could just be isolated to Ribeiro/Tippett.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:32 pm EST

yep..so?..it was in referce to his season last year after somebody called it "more then adequate"..Nowhere was he called a pedestrian NHLer...but keep twisting

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:31 pm EST

http://guardianlv.com/2014/06/arizona-coyotes-mike-ribeiro-buyout-continues-to-confuse-fans/

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:29 pm EST

Hospo- "And RIberio was pedestrian at best" you do read what you post, right?

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:28 pm EST

blackhawks have contacted Ribeiro. But Id be surprised if we and ten other teams haven't already.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:28 pm EST

Can you read? Where did I say that....

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:27 pm EST

Hospo- if you think Ribeiro is a pedestrian NHLer, then you are a poor judge of ability.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:25 pm EST

I've been rewatching every single minute of the LA series. It is utterly amazing how we outplayed them for looooooong stretches, and came within an eyelash of blowing the doors off of them a few times. The amount of bad breaks/bad luck against the Rangers is almost BIZARRE. This is painful, we were so unbelievably f#cking close to the Chalice. :-(

hipcheck


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:24 pm EST

Mess - are the hawks bringing in Ribiero? Rabid - I would love to grab Wheeler but youre right, the cost in assets would make it counter productive.

DREW


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:24 pm EST

Good for the Blackhawks....And RIberio was pedestrian at best ..And you look at trends and how he has declined in the last three years...Stay away Sather..

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:22 pm EST

Surprised Ryan Graves was not invited to the prospects camp. Anyone have any info or opinion on that

GaryRanger


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:22 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-gm-glen-sather-playing-hard-puck-article-1.1848262

mf


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:20 pm EST

blackhawks don't give a shit about Maloney, apparently.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:19 pm EST

if anything, the maloney comments make him more attractive, as he will get lower offers because of them. Maybe Ribeiro burned Maloney and the only way Maloney could get back was to hurt his earning ability. We don't know.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:18 pm EST

except you don't get a veteran on how they performed last season, which was more than adequate in any event. For the same reason you don't give big contracts to pending UFAs who did well last season but not the seasons prior. You look for consistency, and trends. you don't build a championship roster in a vacuum, and you don't build one by blindly trusting other GMs, obviously.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:06 pm EST

Nope we don't know, but I'll trust Maloney

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:05 pm EST

Screw two years ago, what was he last year compared to Step and Brass..And what are the relative ages? And which one is more likely to decline at their respectivve ages.....

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:05 pm EST

Wheeler hasn't taken regular shifts in the center since he broke into the league...and am I missing something here? The Jets want to trade one of their top scorers while it's becoming clearer and clearer that they're about to breakup with Evander Kane? If we're picking names out of a hat, I'll give a laundry list of guys who I'd go after as GM...but in Wheeler's case, it's highly unlikely he goes anywhere...he's another guy too who has a habit of disapearing for long stretches..I like Wheels, but that's what bought him a ticket off the cup-winning team in boston.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 1:01 pm EST

Ribeiro was PPG one season ago. And what his issues? no one knows. He just got re-married to the mother of his three children. Maybe they're marital issues. MSL has marital issues and I don't think that prevented him from being a force for us. The point is, WE DONT KNOW because no one other than Maloney has said squat.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:54 pm EST

Polis - Man, you're funny. I didn't know you did stand up.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:53 pm EST

And RIberio WAS better then Step and Brass ..He isn't any longer....Forget Internet opinions, just use stats...ANd that's not even taking into account his issues

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:46 pm EST

well, except for odd ones like Avery

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:41 pm EST

Thanks..DREW

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:37 pm EST

What we need to win a Cup is primary line scoring and a threat from the point. Ribeiro is better than Brass, better than Step. Sather will make a call.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:36 pm EST

former teammates always stick together? really??

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:32 pm EST

Drew, I'm not sure just how long Wheeler played the middle for, think he's a natural RW. They have Little and brought in Ollie Joikenen, might've just made sense to keep Wheeler Top 6 and shift him. Not sure. The trouble with trading for him is the same with the other big men; it's painful, itll cost chips to get them. Statsny is the only high-quality center out there they can get for just money, and maybe that's what they do, write him a huge check. But he's also only about 6 ft., not much edge that I know of. Wheeler and Winnipeg in general are real interesting because they have a lot of talent other teams would love to get their hands on, and Chevaldae is under huge pressure to make the playoffs this year. he already fired his coach last year, so he's next if they don't change the mix. Everyone's after Evander Kane, but I want Bfuglyein. They're back to shopping Bogosian, still have Ladd, even have a depth guy like Peluso who hits/fights/ can play a little. The kid Trouba on D looks outstanding, but he's not going anywhere. The other thing is, they have big money they want to move off their books. Wheeler is owed $28m the rest of his deal, but he was also 4th in points for a RW, so he's not coming cheap. Buff has 10.4 coming to him next two years, and he and the coach are at odds where he should play. So I do expect bodies to start flying out of there soon. There were reports of Wheeler being available early last season, but then he finished strong. They brought in a wing, Frolik last year, he saw some 1st line time. A few of their top prospects are wings and might be ready, so its not inconceivable. What I love is he's a righty shot, great hands, 27 & fast, and he can do everything, PP/PK, score from anywhere. But could/would the Rangers make a huge deal to get him and shift him to the middle, ala Juan Samuel? LOL. IDK.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:21 pm EST

Newfie, Scott Stacier, I believe

DREW


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:17 pm EST

I am...Former teamates always stick together..input often means jack...Plus he's nott what we need to win the CUP..So I hope Sather says SCREW RIBERIO ...

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 12:12 pm EST

Who is this guy with a bad hip on our team that Sather says won't be back ? In Sather's interview on the Ranger site, you couldn't hear the question put to him.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:54 am EST

Anyways, if you want to know about Ribeiro, you don't ask Maloney. You ask Richards.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:48 am EST

AV believes strongly in LR defense tandems. Ehrhoff is not coming to New York to replace Staal, or Moore (he will fetch more $ on open market than to be third pair here) hence Ehrhoff will not be a Ranger. //// Im not willing to write off someone who has scored 40-70 points per season going pack ten seasons (including 49 points in 48 games last season) on the bare, conclusory allegations of a GM who has had him for one season.

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:37 am EST

TDCHI - I see you are strongly anti-Erhoff for the Rangers....I'm not sure either way..But one guy that will be is AV who had him in VAN..If he likes him much more than Stralman, Klein and Moore,some juggling might be had...I expect AV to have significant influence on the personnel moves

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:20 am EST

This was June 2008 - pre Tortorella. Wheeler actually narrowed his choice of teams down to the Rangers. Is there a reason he does not play center anymore? http://nypost.com/2008/06/12/rangers-eye-wheeler/

DREW


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:16 am EST

Rabid - when he became a UFA a few years ago, If I recall correctly, the Rangers were making a push to sign him but he ultimately decided on the Bruins. So there was interest. I am trying to google it but I think I remember a slight negative feeling on Wheeler's part towards the Rangers. This was a few years ago.

DREW


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:16 am EST

RABID - Just going by rumors others have reported here...I hope you are right about the strategy...We'll see...Things change daily this time of year

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 11:13 am EST

Hospo, what makes you think they want a finesse center? Sather wants a big center man, has for the longest, with good reason. That narrows the field IMO to only a few guys; Staal, Thornton, Spezza, and I'll throw one more name out, a guy who's primarily a RW but has played the middle before and is huge, Blake Wheeler. None of these guys are killers, and Staal probably has the most remaining edge. I say remaining because Jumbo was a nasty fuck when he came up, but his back has seen better days. But of all those guys, the one who fits this team's speed & skill game best might be Wheeler.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:58 am EST

DOUBLEN -Thanks,,That puts RIBERIO in the far from safe cartegory...I didn't wamt him in the first place, this cements.it....Can you dig up some info on Grabivski (actually, there;s past stuff on him) and other finesse centers the Rangers might be interested in???

Hospo


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:58 am EST

I am going to take a page out of my friend, Wildcard's book and remain super positive! Look, this cap situation puts the Rangers at a disadvantage, we were so close from maximizing on an opportunity that not everyone is able to get. Had Pittsburgh finished us off in round 2, we would find it a lot easier to say goodbye to some of these guys, These guys captured our hearts and I am sure the run caused these guys to bleed a little more Ranger blue. Since the cap's introduction, the Rangers made the playoffs all but one year and the one year they did not was down to an OT shootout, the last game of the season. This includes contracts to Drury, Gomez, and Redden. True, we never had that dominant team that are perennial favorites, but it has been a fun time as a Rangers fan. I love debating and playing GM but realistically, we are going to have to part ways with a few favorites but I am willing to see how the roster shapes up and see what this team looks like come fall. I have questioned this front office (which includes Sather, Gorton, Clark, Schoenfeld, et all) and have been wrong, I have also loved certain moves that didn't work out. I don't know if I said anything worthwhile or opened anything for debate. I sense some panic and it shouldn't be. For the first time in a while, the Rangers are a team that are considered serious cup contenders. Even if we have to lose Stralman or Boyle. Next year, I am sure Callahan is going to score a big goal for Tampa Bay or Brad Richards is going to have a stretch where he looks like his old self, same goes for another departing free agent. It happens. (see: Gaborik, Marian) I'm riding shotgun on Wildcard's Ranger bus!

DREW


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:50 am EST

Don't see the interest in Riberio due to off ice issues and that is why he was bought out... Maloney on why Riberio was bought out.. Maloney said this move was purely about behavioral issues and not cost-saving move. Ribeiro has been seeking help this summer, Maloney said. Maloney: "Mike had some real behavioral issues we felt we could not tolerate going forward." Maloney said this decision doesn't necessarily make #Coyotes better team next season but better organization in long run. #Coyotes weren't naive when they acquired Ribeiro last summer, but Maloney thought they could manage. Called it "mistake" now.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:50 am EST

That's cool, TD. I'd actually prefer you slander me than innocent Ranger prospects like Kreider, who you SWORE was faking an injury. Nice.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:40 am EST

TD: Agreed - if the colleges were producing inferior talent, the NHL wouldn't be drafting kids from there regardless of how long those kids stay. The US in general is doing a very good job at developing their hockey youth and you guys are only going to get better and better from a country perspective. What I do find interesting, however, is the phenoms continue to be primarily Canadian. I am only guessing here but perhaps that's because the truly talented kids in the US are funnelled into one of the big 3 sports - football, basketball and baseball. Then again, are your best athletes most often black? I don't know but if that's the case I can only surmise that they are in one of those 3 vs hockey because of the cost? Hope I'm not sounding bigoted because that's not the intent. Just theorizing, perhaps ignorantly (and if so I apologize if I've offended anyone and if so, please educate me!).

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:37 am EST

TAMBELLINI is an interesting case and kind of an illustration of how far the NCAA has come...the kid joined a talented North Dakota team and instead of ripping it up, basically floundered and ended up in a bottom-line situation. I'm sure there was a discussion somewhere about whether it would be good to have him bide his time and potentially stunt his development or whether it'd be better getting him in a league where he's skating against his peers...I would find it hard to believe the Rangers didn't have some sort of input in his decision to leave college and join the Hitman...And from the immediate results, it sounds like the move paid off. He was scoring some pretty nice goals there.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:30 am EST

RF4L - I think some of that is true, re: the Rangers picking Americans...but I think a larger part of it has to do with what the USNDP is producing these days and the brand of hockey they're instilling in players...Chicago is another NHL club that's sort of adopting the program as a feeder system...for a while now, it's been producing players that are very well-rounded that play a solid team game...as for the NCAA, I think a lot of teams see the quality of play there as improving greatly...Letting these guys develop in college is a little bit like free-ranging...kind of let the college programs take care of the heavy lifting and tweak them once they've graduated...the level of play in the NCAA has improved significantly IMO, and even the skilled NHL-bound players aren't able to dominate like they used to a decade ago. In part, it's because some smaller colleges(like Union, for instance) are bringing in guys who are in their early-to-mid 20s...guys who already played a few years in the USHL or other lower-tier junior programs...guys who get passed in the draft and have aged out of juniors...so now you got teams like Union's Dutchmen who are essentially dressing grown men against much younger opponents...there's sort of a dichotomy in college hockey, where you have the big scholarship universities drawing in top-talent...North Dakota, UMinnesota, BC, UWisconsin, UMichigan et cetera...and then you have the smaller guys who are pulling older, better-rounded players...Quinipiac, Yale, Union, St. Lawrence, and so forth... seven or eight years ago, the smaller guys were getting the dregs from the under-21 crowd...now they're taking the over-20 players that don't yet have what it takes yet to be in the AHL, but are solid, skilled and most importantly, mature players. Therein lies the benefit of having a kid from the US national program and playing in the NCAA.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:07 am EST

Polis - There you go again. I started ignoring you LONG before you got booted...and for just this reason...you're irrational. And you don't come in peace. Actually, you came on here with your new screen name and immediately started throwing jabs at me...now you want to talk hockey? That's fine. I'll just continue to call you out for what you are.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 10:04 am EST

RF4L: I read something at one point that an NHL team had pressured a CHL team to get their prospect on the PP. The CHL team did in less critical situations. I imagine there is a lot of that stuff goes on all the time.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:59 am EST

Wildcard - I don't see Ehrhoff in the Rangers' future unless they're going to move John MOORE...lefty...and frankly, I wouldn't want this guy. Didn't want him when the Sabres threw lots of money at him...don't want him now...

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:59 am EST

Bryan Murray is a nob - leaking that stuff to the press like a big sucky woe-is-me kid. Yeah, it's annoying but it's within Spezza's contractual rights to say no to any possible destination because he's got a NTC in his contract. That contract was negotiated by Murray. He needs to keep his big-mouth shut.

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:56 am EST

Boys boys boys - for the love of God, please stop the schoolyard bickering. It's very tiresome.

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:55 am EST

@imseanavery: No SH$T #Spezza said NO to living in that dump city #Nashville

Messier11


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:55 am EST

Rabid: wait. All I ever saw was you swearing up and down you were not someone else....must have missed when you changed that before now.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:53 am EST

An interesting sidenote to all of that is something Craig Button said on TSN yesterday that I heard: One reason the NHL clubs like to pick college and European kids, especially in the mid to late rounds, is that kids in junior have to offered pro contracts at 20 (usually 2 years after they are drafted) or else the team loses the rights to that player. These restrictions don't exist for kids in college and Europe - no contract needs to be offered until they are finished their tenure there, meaning clubs have longer to monitor their progress, which allows them to make more informed decisions on whether or not to offer a contract. Those kids, in other words, are more NHL ready (or not). I think that may be why the Rangers have been picking so many Americans in the past few drafts - most end up playing in the US for colleges.

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:50 am EST

BTW, I suspect at times an NHL club will discuss with the kid's CHL club his progress but not to the point where they try to influence where he plays, on what line, etc. The CHL is a well run league with many owners who are trying to turn a profit. They are business folks, in other words, and would likely tell the NHL club to take a long walk off a short pier. That said, I do believe they occasionally get involved if there's issues going on. For example, the Rangers likely were at least involved in the background when Tambellini went from college to Calgary of the WHL last year.

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:48 am EST

And must I remind you TD, it was me - and me alone - saying Gaborik would be dealt here that was met by universal derision and all the name-calling you & a few others could muster. That's what got me unfairly bounced while you guys somehow got off Scot free. I also told you Torts was going. For some reason, this drives you nuts. Just be cool. I come in peace. I just like to talk Rangers hockey, respectfully. You needn't know more than that.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:46 am EST

Polis - again, there are opinions and there are facts. You blend them both together for some pretty incredible statements AS fact...like Ho-Sang is the most talented player in the draft...and that Miller is going to get traded during the draft. You don't need to tell me any more than you've already told me over the past year and a half... I simply feel compelled to point out how irrational you are. And frankly, the only reason I'm curt with you is because you've literally ripped into me over and over again. Remember: Changing your screen name doesn't change what you've said in the past.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:45 am EST

WIOSA: It depends on several factors, including where the kid plays and when he started playing there. Generally, kids picked from Canadian junior teams cannot play anywhere but the NHL (ie no pro minor leagues) until they are 20. If, however, the kid is European and drafted before he plays in the CHL, he can play minor pro (such as what the Rangers did with AA and Grachev). College kids can turn pro at any time and play in the minors (I believe) but rarely, if ever, do because they aren't ready and usually the kids that are in the CHL and already have played there since turning 16 (when they are eligible to play in the CHL - the CHL drafts kids in their 16th year). Most college age kids play at least 2 years for their schools; many play the full tenure (like Hagelin). Kids in Europe and Russia I''m not totally clear on but I think they can turn pro and play in the minors anytime, but often there are contractual issues with the teams they play for over there. Does that help?

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:45 am EST

TD, Wild,,,,thanks much

WIOSA


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:42 am EST

WIOSA: draft picks from Canadian Junior can only play in junior or the NHL until 20 years old. (I think it's 20). US or European drafted players can play in any league.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:41 am EST

WIOSA - Most will go back to juniors or whatever program they came from after prospect camp...in a rare instance the Rangers feel a kid is ready to make the jump, they'll sign him and bring him to Hartford...Those going or already in NCAA will pretty much be outside of the organization until they sign a professional contract...college kids can't have much of anything to do with the organization until they graduate and sign or leave college and sign...the guys in juniors can be signed, appear in Pack or even Ranger games and then get sent back to juniors.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:38 am EST

So the Sabers are going to buy out Ehrhoff. He was on a 4 mil per deal...sounds like the Sabers are in the same boat as Rangers with BRich, it's not all play it's recapture penalty worries. My question, since he will be getting a big chunk of money from BUF and may be willing to sign for less than he was signed for. If he could be had for 4 years 12-13 mil would you do it.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:30 am EST

docjay - interesting stuff...I posted a tweet from Anthony Duclair yesterday...he seems pretty psyched walcot got drafted too...https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/buzzing-the-net/blainville-boisbriand-armada-daniel-walcott-turns-heads-19-135951264.html

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:28 am EST

Super ignorant on draft picks. Can anyone tell me what happens after we draft a player? Do they continue to play on the same team they were on? Do we try to bring them into the AHL Wolfpack? Do we have any say on their development? eg: I need Blanky Blank to play more, or move up a line, etc. Thanks..

WIOSA


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:26 am EST

TD, no one wants to read us going at it. So stop. And I never promised Miller would be dealt at or by the draft. But my sixth sense says he's not long for NY. I might tell you more if you were simply nicer, but you're not. And Ho-Sang? Difference of Opinion. Capital O. About the 5th time I've said it. No one can say anything definitively, not Garth Snow or Sather or Rychel or you. Why you can't get it through that head of yours, IDK.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:13 am EST

Polis - No names. I just show how irrational you are and that you're the same guy who went on a profanity-laced tirade to get drop kicked out of here just over a year ago...like for instance, you promised me last week MILLER was going to be traded over the draft. No real evidence to substantiate it...and now, you claim he's being shopped, when frankly, nothing could be further from the truth...Then your whole Ho-Sang kick... you have the temerity to say that I'm posting nonsense about the guy...that my posts are error ridden...when actually the opposite is true...that I can dissect all the flat-out nonsense you're posting about the kid in a very clear, concise manner...yet, I'm somehow calling you names and calling Ho-Sing names and calling everyone names? Tres interessant.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 9:03 am EST

doc: Apparently that kid came on the Rangers radar because he plays with Duclair and during progress scouting missions on Duclair his play stood out. He could turn out to be one of the draft's biggest sleepers. The Rangers intend to send him back for an over-age junior season, which seems logical given his lack of experience.

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:55 am EST

Re prospect development camp: I'm curious to hear about Adam Tambellini, Anthony Duclair, Richard Nejezchleb, Pavel Buchnevich, Ryan Haggerty, Keegan Iverson, Josh Nicholls, Calle Andersson, Mat Bodie,Troy Donnay, Ryan Mantha,, am Noreau, Brady Skjei, Daniel Walcott, Brandon Halverson and Mackenzie Skapski. Could the latter 2 be battling for the number 1 position in 5 or 6 years??

RF4L


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:54 am EST

my favorite pick was daniel walcott. love his atitude, touhgness and skating and versatility. also has a lot of upside inspite of his age , due to his lack of experience in organizd hockey. what he accomplihef last year by stepping into major junior a and dominating after essentially a year in us high schooland then playing on a low level us college club team . has some growth pitential and even at his current size he delivers crushing hits ( strong core , strong skater and literally plays with no fear)

docjay


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:39 am EST

TD, always a nasty word, for players, who you savage without foundation, & for lucky posters like me. Why be such a hostile prick? You love engaging me. Why not just admit it?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:30 am EST

Wildcard - because he's crazy. Plain and simple. This is why it's hardly worth engaging Polis.

tdchi


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:03 am EST

In reality talking up miller is probably more for Pouliot or Boyle. Make it sound like they are not NEEDED so if they want to stay they can't expect huge money. No one needs to talk up such a young player who has done so well in the AHL. GMs would pay up fairly big for Miller

Wildcard


Sun Jun 29 2014 8:00 am EST

Rabid: so they are trying to trade Miller? But there are no rumors out there...how could you even come up with that?

Wildcard


Sun Jun 29 2014 7:55 am EST

TD, since you read my every word so carefully, how is it you always come away with a meaning that's the opposite of what I said? For one, nobody here wants to keep seeing stuff on Ho-Sang, the New York Islander property. So I said I was trying to cool it. Besides, you already said the kid is going to get creamed and have a short career, so what's the point? It has been determined. I also specifically said no one can say with any certainty whatsoever with these kids, including the clubs that draft them. They're trying to pick the best doctor from the 5th grade. Somehow this all escaped you.and the Rangers only drafted that big center yesterday because they're shopping your boy, JT Miller. That's why Sather was out there talking him up yesterday.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jun 29 2014 2:26 am EST

Polis: Were you there to weigh him? Combine says 175. Spitfires list him at 166. Playing weight? Likely somewhere in the middle... Irrelevant anyway. Even if the Islanders make the egregious error of overlooking his weight difference in some hope he'd make up for it with talent, I see nothing in him that suggests he wouldn't get knocked into a short career by any number of hard-hitting NHL and AHL defenseman, not withstanding the elite ones...Now ..His suspension...yes, 15 games was excessive. Well, the league agreed. Ho's down to 6 games for a dirty play that basically ended a kid's career. I will say, it wasn't a play other guys get away with all the time...but it was enough...and the kid suffered a horrific injury...now you mention the Globetrotters comment...and yet you also say Rychel said he was "one of the best forwards 1-on-1"...Now...you say he's so good...and yet I can't find him in the top-10 of any stat in the OHL...I watch him and I see a kid who has talent...can pull a few nasty tricks....has good vision...but when you compare him to the highlights from everyone before him? Sorry...nothing that special there. He might be one day. Who knows? You speak like you KNOW HopSing will be superstar and the Rangers frittered away a chance to grab the next big thing...well, unless you have some sort of magical vision into the future, you're talking out your ass. I could understand your fixation somewhat if you went to see him in a game and were dazzled...but that's obviously not the case here....your comment about the team being "too vanilla" is just weird in context of Ho's story...maybe a Freudian slip? And it's funny too...because all those things you said about a "rough nasty dangerous game?" Yeah, that's Keegan Iverson. Guy is huge. And guess what? He ain't vanilla in any way, shape or form. And if you were wondering the last time the Rangers drafted a sniper? Well, it was last year. His name is Anthony DUCLAIR...he scored more goals, more points, and played fewer games than Ho last year. He's also at least a step closer to making the NHL..probably a year out...maybe less...and he ain't vanilla either.