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Thu Sep 29 2016 6:09 am EST

Jimmy Vesey-Kevin Hayes-Rick Nash Nathan Gerbe-Brandon Pirri-Pavel Buchnevich Michael Grabner-Marek Hrivik-Jesper Fast Adam Tambellini-Max Lapierre-Nicklas Jensen Nick Holden-Kevin Klein Ryan Graves-Chris Summers John Gilmour-Dylan McIlrath Antti Raanta Mackenzie Skapski. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/28/three-of-rangers-motivated-world-cuppers-return-to-practice/#sthash.x7XishyD.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Sep 29 2016 4:00 am EST

Ola I hope the rumor is true , they need an improvement on d. Fishboy will have to figure out a fair deal that's good for both teams .

stevielegs


Thu Sep 29 2016 3:55 am EST

Hospo I hope pirri can play all 3 positions better than weeknow can coach all 3 coaches jobs.

stevielegs


Thu Sep 29 2016 3:39 am EST

Rhet- I heard no names, sorry. I do wonder what we might be offering? What do you guys think? The talk around Winnipeg is that they don't need anymore wingers or RDs. But from my point of view, a package of Kreider and Klein should be pretty interesting for them. Add Kreider to a group of Laine, Scheilfe and Wheeler and WInnipeg becomes very heavy up front. Klein gives them great depth on defense. Or what else is the option, Kreider and Skjei?

Ola


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:49 pm EST

TROUBA (some highlights) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHw4fACfx5U

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:33 pm EST

STEVIE - Just because players can play all three positioNs, doesn't mean they can play them all well...Pirri to me is not a center...more of a shooter/scorer then a passer...Hell, one year he had 2 assist and 20 G in 50 games....plus he's another subpar FO guy, NOT WHAT WE NEED...........I really don't know what AV is thinking........Maybe pick up Perrault from WPG if we do trade for TROUBADOR

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:12 pm EST

Vigneault said that in his discussions with the 25-year-old, Pirri stated he can play all three forward positions. And while that's always a positive, Vigneault is seeing how he does down the middle in the preseason before the regular season begins. "As far as in my discussions with him, he can play any position. When I hear that from a player, it's always a great thing. I love hearing that, that versatility, as long as you can play any of those positions well," Vigneault said with a laugh. "That's what we'll find out tomorrow.".... why not all 6 weeknow ?

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:10 pm EST

Notable players making their preseason debut Thursday at The Garden are Rick Nash, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey, Michael Grabner, Nathan Gerbe, Jesper Fast, Kevin Klein and Nick Holden. Pavel Buchnevich, Marek Hrivik, Dylan McIlrath and Nicklas Jensen will appear in their second game.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 9:32 pm EST

mf: I realize you love Stafford, but with his contract coupled with the realization that Trouba will get $6,000,000, there's simply no way the Rangers will be able to add that sort of cap hit. I think it's time to get over your man-crush on Stafford! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 9:05 pm EST

Rhet: would you add something to that trade scenario to try & land Drew Stafford back in return?? Do we want him, would they trade him? (Stafford has 1 yr remaining at $4.35 mill)

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 8:53 pm EST

Announcing last nights lineup @dylan_mcilrath big part of the locker room. #NYR..... https://twitter.com/NYRangerFanclub/status/781254452347011074

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:48 pm EST

Ola.... Did you hear any player names?

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:47 pm EST

Winnpeg will have no interest in Klein. They already have three defensemen they need to protect in the draft. IMO, Skjei would be of great interest to them as he won't have to be protected. I think we might be looking at Skjei and JT Miller (though I'd prefer Kevin Hayes).

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:18 pm EST

TDCHI - Damn, we actually agree on a kid----SKEJI! (I think we agree on VESEY also, not soo much on BUCH---yet,,,,,)

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:03 pm EST

td: as for what AV wants in the D. I think if you look at all the different things he has said, its about getting the puck up the ice. Not always by skating it, but a good first pass, and good defensive ability to stop the chance against in the fist place in order to get the puck. I don't think he is under the impression that you need 6 D who can skate and soot and make perfect passes. I think he wants balance, I think in a perfect world he would have a shutdown guy who can make a good first pass (how he described what he wants McIlrath to do to have an impact) paired with a guy like Boyle, a skating offensive Dman. That way you have different threats on the ice all at once without liability. Just MHO of course, but of you take all the things he says it "feels" like thats what he would want.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:00 pm EST

td: Ok so who gets sent down? Who gets cut. And I would be floored if he plays the 3rd pair, with those limited minutes or sits as a 7th. Not when he can be sent down with no waivers and be recalled whenever they want. If he doesn't outplay all the other D trying for the top 4 he will be sent down likely. There is no reason to force him into the lineup. He made the roster in the playoffs due to injury, he never would have gotten a sniff if there wasn't an injury....so don't read too much into that.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 6:57 pm EST

td: For me it seems Klein Skjei and a 1st is too much. A 2nd maybe, but not a 1st. I know everyone wants to anoint the next available young guy the next great player who will make big changes on the team....but lets slow down a bit. Klein would give them a very good D at a very good cap hit and Skjei would give them a future top 4 Dman, perhaps a top 4 guy this year if things go well for him. A 1st would give them ANOTHER top 4 D if they drafted a D with it or a top 6 F. I just think essentially giving up a top 4 D, another top 4 D or top 6 F, and a top 4 vet D with a good contract is a lot to give up for a kid still developing into a solid top 4 D.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 6:54 pm EST

CM - All very good points. I hear you on the spinorama...man, I saw PIRRI do that and was like 'What tha...' and then boom, was in the back of the net...but in a real game, me thinks that would have been an epic turnover.

tdchi


Wed Sep 28 2016 6:50 pm EST

Wildcard -I'd be floored if SKJEI is sent down...utterly floored...he's part of this team...he made it during the playoffs...it'd take an injury or just absolutely abysmal play for him to get squeezed out of the top-7. I'm not sold on this notion that AV wants this break-neck pace defense and think some of what he said is being taken out of context...but Skjei sure as hell sounds like the type of player he sees as the prototypical defenseman.

tdchi


Wed Sep 28 2016 6:50 pm EST

Hospo: I didn't dismiss him based on one game. HOWEVER I think he needs to be one of the best in camp the rest of the way to stick with the team. I don't think they want him to be the 6th best D and play him 10-12 min per night with little to no PP or PK time and against the lower competition on the other team. I think they would rather he get some big minutes on work on his game. I don't think that he would spend the entire season in the AHL, I just think that if he is not clearly one of the top 4 guys who can play in all situations that he will not be on the roster to start the year. If he keeps playing like the other night he will not earn that spot. You, if I remember, said to hold back saying so much great stuff about the young guys because it was against lesser completion and it is a meaningless pre-season game. By the same note, shouldn't Skjei have looked a little better against the same competition? I understand the next game he plays he may be the best guy out there, and even that would be too much reading into a preseason game. But again, I think it has less to do with his ability to be an NHL defensemen and more to do with what may be best for him from the teams point of view, and based on what they have long with him on D They have guys who are NHL level Dmen that can fill the top 6. He in not a 3rd pair guy IMHO based on the need to just play, so he needs to push into the top 4. Not sure if he has time to do that before the puck drops game 1....and that says nothing to the fact they need to send players down, and he can get sent without risk of losing him, like it or not that plays a role. I am not basing this idea on one preseason game, but when you are essentially a bubble player you can't have too much poor play during the decision making time.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 6:44 pm EST

Ola - I sure hope so ;) Seriously though...depending on the cost, it's a move that would make a lot of sense for the Rangers...aside from McILRATH, they literally have no good prospects on D for the right side...Trouba would also given them a young kid who can move the puck...guy who can hammer shots from the blue line...I just don't know what the Jets would take that could make the deal possible...They'd need to take salary back...and since GIRARDI is clearly going no where, then maybe it'd be KLEIN, a first and SKJEI? Who knows...but it sounds like they certainly want the sun and the moon for him...and the players basically add up to the sun OR the moon...not both.

tdchi


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:59 pm EST

I don't usually do this, but I heard something from this side of the Atlantic. I can't say what it is, but let me put it like this, Trouba to NYR in the near future could definitely happen. Will it happen? I have no idea, but it's a lot more than baseless speculation. Sorry for being so unclear, but thought I put this out there instead of saying nothing. :)

Ola


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:33 pm EST

If girardi flounders he better be pressboxed. But it going to be hard to trade him after that. Big Mac will be happy to take his spot.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:30 pm EST

Cm weeknow will do anything to keep his boy pet. Glass. He can do physical but not Big Mac.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:02 pm EST

HOSPO- Now a TROUBADOUR is just what this team needs! "a French medieval lyric poet composing and singing in Provençal in the 11th to 13th centuries, especially on the theme of courtly love."

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 4:15 pm EST

WILD - Disagree with you on SKEJI..The Rangers need to give him every chance to round into form and make the team from the start...You can't take one meaningless bull shit game and cancel out everything the kid did last season where he was basically one of the top 3 D-man on the team ovr the last mionth...Have some patience with kid ....:)...Past performance plus the Rangers needing his mobility and puck moving badly...or you'll have a guys like Girardi, Staal, Mcilrath and Holden as your puck mover for 2/3rds ofthe game....And yes, I'm not buying into the journeyman Clendennon as the Messiah yet.....Now, the Rangers make a trade for a Troubadoor or a Fowler, then my thoughts change...

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 4:12 pm EST

wild go kiss a horse's ass while spinning on that merry go round....get splinters .....Wed Sep 28 2016 5:47 am EST “I think about it because I definitely want to be in the top six this season,” McIlrath said of his situation, after having been in and out of the lineup in 34 games last season, his first with the big club. But when asked what McIlrath can do to make that a reality, Vigneault spoke about steadiness and responsibility and knowing his physical limitations.“If he’s going to play regular minutes at this level, he’s going to be a defensive-type defenseman,” Vigneault said. “That’s a guy that’s got good gap, doesn’t get beat one-on-one, whether that be on the rush or in the corner. When he gets an opportunity to beat the first forechecker, he can make a good first pass and get the puck out of our end. That’s how [McIlrath] can contribute on a good team.” stevielegs.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 4:11 pm EST

I looked further back and found the post were it was quoted. SO I didn't see that. Still no high horse...was just making a statement that we need to be fair about what AV is saying about McIlrath....and not just cherry pick statements. You need to cool your jets there, if I am "spinning" by putting out there what was said..than i guess you are as well right...I mean we both just put the same info out there....

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 4:07 pm EST

stevielegs: I read a couple posts about McIlrath, I saw the statement from AV about the style of D he wants but did not see the other quote directly about McIlrath. Did I miss it? Seriously, did I miss it. I know where the quote is from....I read the article myself....thats why I brought up the other part of it since I didn't see anyone else had. So perhaps its you thats join a high horse and needs to get back on the merry go round.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 3:57 pm EST

Wild maybe you should not neglect to read posts before you reprimand others. Get off your high horse of spin. Get back on the merry go round. The coach's quote is from the ny post.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 3:51 pm EST

BTW: Unless he totally blows away everyone else the rest of camp I think Skjei gets sent down. NOT becsaue he isn't capable of being an NHL defender, but he is an all situations type guy, he needs to play in all situations. He likely would be a bottom 3 guy, likely a bottom 2, so I think due to his waiver eligibility and his age, he will be better served as a top Dman in the AHL, and I would imagine the team sees the same thing. I mean 20+ minutes in all situations in hartford AT LEAST to start is better than 10 or so in NY

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 3:30 pm EST

RF4L: While that is true, don't forget Glass started in the AHL until there was an injury last season. It wouldn't be out of character even for a coach who plays favorites to send a guy down a second year in a row.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 3:07 pm EST

Water under the bridge but I wished like all hell that the Rangers would have sold Vermette on signing here.... With Step & Zbad RHS, Vermette is a lefty... He can be moved to any line as center in case of an injury, "Win A Faceoff," can play the PP, good role model for the kids, and has playoff experience with Chicago.... a 4th of Grabner / Vermette / Fast would have been great AND, you get Vermette out there on an occassional PP....... Lost opportunity.... just me venting & jmo

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 2:47 pm EST

I wouldn't write off Glass's chances as long as AV is behind the bench. Like it or not and for reasons that aren't always obvious, every coach has his favourites and some, like Glass, they like so much, when both are with new organizations, they push the GM of their new organization to acquire them, like AV did with like Glass.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 2:29 pm EST

RF: I think that they will pull the plug on G. And quickly. I don't think they're gonna give him a ton of room to get his feet under him. If he cannot show any kind of improvement from late last seasons failure I just don't see how they can keep him in the lineup. I think Mcilrath is gonna get long looks this preseason as Skjei might have some hiccups so the defense might be a little bit of an adventure early on.

E


Wed Sep 28 2016 2:21 pm EST

If you look at Girardi in the right angle that number in his back looks lot like a "6" and there you go Joe frigin Cirella or of course Richie Pilon

_Arc


Wed Sep 28 2016 2:20 pm EST

Little intrigue from last night. Sat in the Cox Cable luxury box at the Honda Center. Friend of mine pointed out that he thought that one of the scouts sitting in the box next to us were the scouts. Caught my ear when someone asked, "Justin, are you are headed back to NY tonight?" He responded that he had a team meeting tomorrow. We've gotta make our first cuts. So I went looking on my phone to see if the New York Rangers had anyone named Justin on the staff. They do. Justin Sather is a scout for the New York Rangers. So, run with your conspiracies but Fowler and Vatanen were the only defenseman of significance playing as far as I saw. And I watched the Duke and I cannot believe that he is not in a New York Rangers jersey. That's pretty brutal. But I found it interesting. I don't know who the other three scouts were.

E


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:50 pm EST

I thought McI was fine last night, especially since it was the first preseason game. I have to wonder if a young Beuk was trying to make the team if he'd also not be one of AV's favorites?!

Ranger47


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:48 pm EST

TD: Yes - It was Brodie who was there to (nit adequately) cover Chimera on his goal. Colorado: Did you also notice that Glass was wearing an A on his sweater? :(

Ranger47


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:37 pm EST

CM-- I think Grabner is a lock for 4th line ..and Fast will be also--if he doesn't make 3rd line ahead of BUCH....At the most, I see TWO openings at forward---------PIrri and Laperier fight for the C spot.....and Pirri, Gerbel,Jensen the main fighters for the other spot (if FAST isnt on the 4th line) with the losers being the 13th-14th forward

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:33 pm EST

CMARK - I think you have to start counting Laperiere as a possibility, just beacause he's a natural C, can Win FOs and the only competiton now is PIrri (who can also play wing)....I'll have a heart attack if GERBEL lights it up, he wasw god awful last year (ES)..Giving BUCH and Mcilrath the time to make their cases....I'm still not sure BUCK makes the team as a top 12 forward....What the Rangers and him figure out is another story..

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:30 pm EST

My prediction fort he bottom 4 or 5: Grabner-Pirri-Gerbe with Fast rotating in. But we know that Fast will play over Gerbe. I think if AV keeps 8 D, it's less likely he'll keep an extra forward with Lindberg on injured reserve. I just don't think there is anyway to keep JENSEN around. Gerbe is going to be on the roster for his versatility, offensive pop and experience. Even if he doesn't dress regularly, he'll be on the team.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:27 pm EST

VIC - It would also be nice if the 4th line C could take and win FOs like a 4th line Center should.....Especially when we have dead weight in that category with HAYES and STEPAN....That os not HRVIAK, but it is LAPERIERE...and JOORIS (but hurt) to a lesser extent....And Lindberger when healthy

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:23 pm EST

AS I mentioned in my earlier post, GIRARDI isn't just bad on his own, the negative effect on his partner has to be taken into consideration. Every guy he plays with struggles.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 1:22 pm EST

Interesting lineups tomorrow: G- Raanta and Skapski in net. D- HOLDEN-KLEIN, GRAVES SUMMERS, GILMOUR-MCILRATH. F- VESEY-HAYES-NASH, GERBE-PIRRI-BUCHNEVICH, GRABNER-HRIVIK-FAST, TAMBELLINI-LAPIERRE-JENSEN. My prediction: Top two lines light it up. Gerbe playing with talent against inferior competition, he'll be excellent. Interesting MCIL is back in right away. Tambellini gets his token appearance before being sent down.SUMMERS is still around? Gilmour needs to play as well as Clendenning to stick around a bit longer. LAPIERRE given another chance to show he can still play. But assuming (early, I know) Both Buch and Vesey are inthe top 9, that leaves: GRABNER, PIRRI, GERBE, FAST, HRIVIK and JENSEN (not counting Glass or Lapierre) fighting for 3, maybe 4 spots. And that's with LINDBERG and JOORIS out with injury.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:52 pm EST

tdchi/RF4L - spot on, the current anchor on this roster (from both gameplay and overall roster flexibility standpoints) continues to be #5. I was seething last night when they were going on about what a warrior G is, playing w/the broken kneecap...because if our damn coach had half the courage his players show, that would have been the time to tell him "You're platooning the rest of the way" (sugarcoat it with "I need you fresh/healthy for the playoffs" if need be). It would have helped 1) the team, since he was a pylon out there anyway 2) Wrath's development 3) G himself, as the rest couldn't hurt a guy with so many tough miles and 4) maybe G sees the writing on the wall and considers agreeing to move to a team that will give him more minutes. Everybody wins. End of rant.

LeoS


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:41 pm EST

CMARK: Nothing against GLASS but I can't see how he makes this team. There are at least 4 or 5 guys ahead of him that could better help this team in all 3 zones. I like TANNER but I just don't see how he makes this team over those other guys.

Vic


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:40 pm EST

HOSPO: Agree on BUCH. He may be a real good winger for ZBAD. I know folks thought he had a great game last night but from just watching the first period I didn't see it. He wasn't bad. Just wasn't that much of a factor. KOVACS was pretty much invisible. I see a lot of upside in STROMWELL but he needs to get bigger and stronger. A year or so in Hartford and he will be ready. As for HRIVIK. Yep, to each his own. But if we are talking 4th line center I want a guy who I can trust to play solid D. That will be the checking line for this team. I don't want a "banger" playing 4th line Center. And whoever it is has to be an excellent skater.

Vic


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:29 pm EST

Did anyone notice Glass played the most of any Rangers Forward? And he was playing center. Also, I'll be going to the Rangers 2nd game in St. Louis, going to visit my mom. Here is a local write-up from the Blues perspective. Some interesting comments from the outside. http://bleedinblue.com/2016/09/26/st-louis-blues-opposition-new-york-rangers/

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:29 pm EST

VIC - Sorry,I find HRVIK to be pretty much a player that brings zero to the table...Responsible and won't hurt ya, but that's it.....Also, I want centers playing center..To each their own,.,,

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:26 pm EST

VIC - Perhaps that is why BUCH (if he' ready), who likes to pass and setup others, is a good/best choice of a linemate for ZIBA ..The other centers (Step and Hayes) best skills are passing,...

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:24 pm EST

HOSPO: Don't count out HRIVIK for that 4th C spot (at least until LINDBERG is healthy). He can play wing as well and is an all around fundamentally sound player with size and skating ability.

Vic


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:21 pm EST

Oh and a few of us mentioned when the trade for ZBAD went down that he likes to setup in the left circle on the PP just like AO does. And man does he have a rocket of a shot as well......and not afraid to use it. I see many PP goals in his future with the Rangers if they don't screw him up and turn him into another pass happy prancer....

Vic


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:21 pm EST

CMARK - Good summary..and good words of caution on Clendenning and others. when considering the opponent....There's a reason why 4 teams just basically threw him away..It's possible for him magically find his game...but not likely....Stilll the test will be in the games that start next week....The same holds true for veterans---- remember when the jibbering Esa Tikanen earned his 3rd shot at the rangers with like 8 goals in the pre-season only to be worhtless----- such as Max Laperiere, who didn't look bad last night....Laperier's advantage for making the team is that with Jooris' injuty, theres's only him and Pirri for 4th C, and Pirri can play wing also..

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:18 pm EST

Have only seen the 1st period of the game last night so far. I'll watch the rest tonight. it was great to be watching Ranger hockey again, even if it was preseason. Just from that first period the guys who stood out most positively to me where KREIDER, ZBAD, PIRI, CLENDENING and HRIVIK. I thought LAFRENCHIE was good (better then I expected) and I like some of what I saw from BODIE in the offensive end. I was rooting for BROWN (fellow Flower Mound, TX resident) but he was invisible in the first period and from where he is at this stage of his career it doesn't look like he is going to be an NHL player. There were high hopes for him when he was in the American development program and he was drafted in the 2nd round (36th overall) but just never panned out. Too bad. I was most impressed with KREIDER. He definitely looked like a man on a mission. He was physical and skated with a purpose. Hopefully we see that KREIDER all year long. If we do he should have no problem scoring 30 goals in this league.

Vic


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:14 pm EST

The Jets don't think that Trouba is a 3rd pair D.They only say that because they have two guys ahead of him. in Meyers and what's his face. They could play him on the other side but that is kind of why Trouba wants out. Also, on SKJEI: Last year McDonough struggled. Who was his partner? Last night SKJEI struggled. Who was his partner? Co-inky-dink?

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:06 pm EST

If Trouba is only able to be a 3rd pairing damn for Winnipeg , why would we give a 1st or more than Rath. That's silly. Let's not over rate other players. If everybody thinks Rath is so good(and I do ). I don't give Rath a first and miller. That's crazy. Give them Rath and a young player that won't make this team and because of numbers may never. Winnipeg hasn't set this league on fire. They always have good names and never do shit

KIS


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:47 am EST

To be fair all, you shouldn't while talking about AV and the D and McIlrath bring up one statement by AV but neglect to bring up what he said directly about the kid. This isn't word for word, but if he has good gap control, keeps his positioning, and when he can beat the first forechecker use his good first pass out of the zone to start the transition that he is doing what he will need to in order to help a good team. AV recognizes that McIlrath is a good Dman, but he also recognizes his limitations and his strengths. If he plays to his strengths we'll he will likely be on the roster.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:33 am EST

And if Girardi continues to struggle, what a dilemma. Does AV (and Gorton) have enough balls to pressbox this guy? If I had to bet right now, the answer is no. We'll see how this plays.............

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:32 am EST

CoMark: It will be interesting if Skeji struggles all camp long. All of us had him pencilled in the starting 6 based on his play last year but in doing so tend to forget, perhaps, he's still got tons to learn.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:31 am EST

Z-BAD....lol...what a pimp name! LOL!

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:29 am EST

SKJEI- Almost forgot. He had a rough one, but I still think he's a lock. Unless he does the McDonough route and starts in Hartford and then comes up later. Especially since he is waivers exempt. Would allow us to not lose WRATH or CLENDENING. However, I think AV said the 5-6-7-8 slots were open. I think he's planning on 8 D.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:27 am EST

TD- I thought CLENDENING was as solid as anyone on D yesterday. I likehis PP work, but I'm wondering how well some of his passes would work against superior competition? The behind the back pass to the center of the blue line was spectacular looking, but I'm thinking of Hagelin picking it off and taking it all the way. It's especially one of those moves that might work once or twice before the opposition figures it out. I was a good skater and as a goalie, when I played out I loved to show off and do spin-o-rama's. It was fun the first few times, but then the beer league guys I played against would see it coming a mile away. Kind of like MOORE's spins the last two years. MCILRATH- I just don't see how AV can't see this kid is an important part of this club. Locker room presence, nuclear deterrent, massive frame, howitzer from the point, solid D. I'll be even more pissed now if we lose this guy. PIRRI- Always great to have a shoot first guy. I think he made a pretty good case for making the team yesterday. STROMWELL/KOVACS- Looked ready for a good year in Hartford. STAAL- Was much better than last year. GIRARDI- Sad, really. Still hoping he can rebound, but not a great start. Z-BAD (His DJ name) pretty electrifying debut! I think he's a different center than BRASS (or STEP) so gives us a different look offensively. Pretty good pick-up, I think. JENSEN- I though he was okay, but not sure he is going to be better than the other candidates for the 4th line. JOORIS- Injured early, and probably signed his ticket to Hartford. I was looking forward to seeing him play. But a groin injury is the worst thing you can get in camp. You feel like your better but then it comes back. I had no chance of making the Johnstown Chiefs in 1991, but I tried to play through a groin injury and I was cut by one of the Hanson brothers (Steve Carlson) the next day!). SKAPSKI- was excellent, but like CLENDENING, I wonder about how well his play goes against better competition. His rebounds were huge. I think he's #1 in Hartford by the end of the year though. Heir apparent to Raanta before SHERP gets enough rubles to leave Russia. HELLBERG is a big guy. Who was that ridiculously tall goalie we had in the system a few years back? GLASS- Feel bad for the guy. I don't see him making this team, but I don't hate his play like a lot do. KREIDER was excellent and I think that line could be something. BUCH stood out more inthese games than in TCT, I think because his play will elevate as he plays against better players. Still some adjustment, but I think he is NHL ready and primed to be a star for the Rocky Mountain Madness! BROWN- had some nice moments, but I don't think he is even call-up material. HRIVIK- The problem is he's not going to beat out some of these other guys and he will probably go through waivers safely. Injury call-up for sure. BODIE- Ok, but behind WRATH and CLENDENING. I'd just like to hear Goal assisted by BODIE -MILLER called at some point. Finally, LAPIERRE. He was better than I expected. I don't know if he can show his agitator attitude in these pre-season games, but I thinbk he starts in Hartford. Good depth invite. I enjoyed the game. It was fun to watch, especially since we usually lose to the %$%^*# Islanders. I was worried when they scored in the first few minutes, but Z-Bad lit up the place shortly afterwards!

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:24 am EST

TD: Can't see the Jets having much interest in Graves, unless he's a throw-in to balance out what other assets the Rangers might be offering. I concur Skeji is a possibility but if so, another significant player will have to added (like MIller or Kreider for example). McD straight up would probably get it done but that's too much give on the Rangers part. McD is established, a top pairing d-man and armed with a cap friendly contract. I want something else from the Jets if that's what the Rangers are offering (like a first or one of their many genuine prospects). Trouba and a first for McD is something interesting to ponder IMO.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:20 am EST

TD/MFred: Glad to hear it - I guess to a certain extent the spotlight is on McI because of his history and the fact that he seems to epitomize the apparent disconnect between how AV wants the team to play and how many of us would like to see some physicality added to the mix.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:18 am EST

Hospo: I actually said McI needs to play superbly to make the starting 6 although I did base that partially on Carp's observations and the Post's publishing of AV's comments about his defense needing speed, agility and passing strengths and downplaying the need to be physical. In other words, you and I agree on McI's chances which as you know, really bothers me. And really in large part because I don't think AV has given McI a real chance to make this club. Two years ago he elected to keep Kostagoal over him despite a spate of injuries (and where is Kostagoal now?) and last year he was only on the 23 man roster because he couldn't be farmed out and (I hope) Gorton refuses to trade him. If the latter is accurate, AV has his answer - play McI less than 42 games and the kid becomes an UFA next summer and will be snatched up by another club and if that's how it plays out, I hope the Islanders sign him and he haunts the Rangers and MSG for the next 5+ years. It'll look just fine on the organization if that's what happens IMO.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 11:03 am EST

RF4L - been saying that for over a year on Mcilrath..The guy is a top 6 NHL d-man,...But given what the Rangers have (actually, don't have) and what AV likes, he is behind the eight ball...and indeed, like lard ass Carpinello says, has to play superb to grab the sixth spot...He not only has to play the game he has developed over the years, he has to play the game like Clendenning to have a chance with AV/Rangers...Pretty hard to do...It's why I always seen his best value as a trade chip for a team out west (especially since he has to pass thru waivers to go down). that would use him better.....But, camp just started, we shall see...

Hospo


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:33 am EST

KIS – The only two blueliners I could see Peg taking in a TROUBA deal are SKJEI and McDONAGH. Maybe GRAVES…They’re looking for a top or potential top pairing D man on the left. I guess you could work something like McI, a first and one of the top forward prospects…but even that’s a stretch. They want someone ready to go on the left that can take over for Enstrom and is not going to cost them much $$.

tdchi


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:29 am EST

RF4L – I thought McILRATH played a pretty decent game. He wasn’t flashy like CLENDENING, but among the blueliners, I think he played just fine. Carp was bagging on him for leaving his guy during CHIMERA’S goal…but if I remember correctly, it was BODIE that left him staring at the yawning net…Of course, Mack might have wandered away from his guy, prompting Bodie to pick him up…but I don’t know…Frankly, I think McIlrath, regardless of what the NY Post or AV says about speed, has all the tools to be a very good blueliner in the NHL. He made some good plays…took a stick sweep from basically down on one knee to break up what would have been a very good Isles’ scoring chance(think it was Barzal)…and his boomer from the point…man, I think that’s what sells McIlrath right there…if he didn’t have that cannon, I could see shrugging and moving on…and while defensive speed is important, I think the first breakout pass is WAAAY more important…again…not a place where Mack suffers…We don’t need everyone on the blueline to be the defensive version of Hagelin as the Post seems to suggest…I think the more pressing problem right now is that we have a guy who looked very much like a third-pairing D man…maybe a seventh blueliner…making $5 million plus…the clear path to improving this team long-term would be to somehow ditch GIRARDI and acquire TROUBA…but that would take a lot of tricky maneuvering…so the Rangers have three guys who should probably skate –Klein, Clendening and McIlrath –and another that looks to be on his way out…I don’t know how you resolve this issue other than by giving G some real tough love…but here I am dissecting this situation after one game…read some reviews that said Clendening was far from solid defensively…so maybe he makes the choice for the Rangers…But at this point, I don’t see any chance that Mack doesn’t make the team as the sixth guy on D. First game impression, but I’m sticking with it.

tdchi


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:22 am EST

Oops. Same post essentially. When I hit spray for the first time it didn't come through on my phone sorry

KIS


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:21 am EST

I have bad feelings about McI playing here. I like the kid but I don't think AV idea of a player is Mci. With that in mind if AV is the coach. Maybe Rath should be moved. You guys talk about Trouba. Could a trade of Rath for Trouba be done. Or would it have to be McI. And maybe a hrivek or some other young forward for Trouba.

KIS


Wed Sep 28 2016 10:18 am EST

I hate to say it and my basis for say what I'm going to say is because I just think AV doesn't view McI game in a positive way. I really like the kid and I think you need a couple of tough players like him. Still If AV stays I don't think McI has a future here and not should he. You guys speak about trouba. Could McI be a player moved for trouba or would it take more? Could it be Rath and a young player like Hrivek?

KIS


Wed Sep 28 2016 9:52 am EST

Thought McI played a good game.....actually I fully enjoyed last night Exhibition. Very pleasantly surprised be Skapski and Hellberg? is that his name?

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 28 2016 9:51 am EST

A message that is

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 9:50 am EST

IMO AVishyssoise is also sending Buek and anyone else how he's going to stear this ship... You don't phuck with the ocean, you use it to your advantage (see sailing 101 froggy) coach to your groups strengths you moron, it could be years before we get the perfect player for how the game is played AT a point in time..... Fire this asshole.

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 9:39 am EST

If he can't adapt to his roster, what does that say for his ability to adapt to whatever the opposing coach throws at him? Ability to adjust during playoff hockey?

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 8:57 am EST

TD: Good stuff, but we missed 2 players - guess McI dropped a few f-bombs there!

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 8:55 am EST

BTW, more cap anguish heading Chicago's way next summer - Panarin is reportedly set to seek a long term $6,000,000 per deal next summer. Of course, his play this year will have to match (or better) his rookie season but if it does, it'll be interesting to see how Chicago handles it.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 8:49 am EST

https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/781122616102903808/video/1

tdchi


Wed Sep 28 2016 8:12 am EST

Carp stating in his review of the game today that McI needs to play better in order to make the team. For those who saw the game on here, I'm curious about your thoughts on this. Did McI struggle? Equally importantly, how was his play vs Staal and Girardi?

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 8:10 am EST

Send AV to Normandie Beach.

mf


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:51 am EST

TD: I am in Skapski's corner - I really like this kid's attitude and he's had a rough go of injuries stretching back to his junior days. This is just his 3rd professional season - his first year he started in Greenville but played just 1 game before being recalled to Hartford where he played very well, posting a 2.40 GAA in 28 games (of course, earning a recall to the Rangers where he allowed but 1 goal in 2 games against the Sabres). That season ended prematurely for him due to serious hip injury that required off-season surgery and the recovery basically took him all season last year to fully regain his playing form. Given his age and experience he's clearly got a step up on any of the 3 younger goalies in the feeder system and if he stays healthy and play up to his potential, he might be the first call-up this year if/when one of the King or Raanta get hurt. Injuries, of course, are basically out of his control, but playing well isn't. I gotta figure he's destined for Hartford, along with the Swedish veteran. I hope his play ends up having assume the number 1 spot for the Pack.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 7:39 am EST

I concur with those who are concerned about the NY Post story this morning citing AV's apparent lack of acknowledgement that he doesn't have a mobile puck moving defense, yet that's where he believes (rightly so mind you) the game has gone to and therefore, that's how the Rangers need to play. Is that a veiled message to his GM or just plain stubbornness. Of course he takes the opportunity to remind his team and McI in particular he doesn't want crushing hits and physical play in lieu of that sort of style. McI is gonna have to play superbly I suspect to get past AV's prejudice towards his style of play. I sure hope he's prepared to place the same defensive defenseman demands on Girardi (and even Staal) but somehow I doubt that. Gawd this man bugs my ass sometimes - I totally get why so many Canuck fans clamoured to have him fired the last couple of years he was there.

RF4L


Wed Sep 28 2016 6:20 am EST

Wild thanks for the split squad info...kinda stupid IMHO......the WIN,,yesssss. Especially against the Isles. HOSPO/TD, yes it was a meaningless game with the kiddie corps, but how would we have felt if we lost it? Just saying....

WIOSA


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:54 am EST

I only saw bits and pieces of last night's game, Nice first impression of Zibanajad as a Ranger, good effort and someone who actually shoots the puck from the off wing circle on the power play. WATCH AND LEARN, STEPAN! Would love it if Kreider finally busts out, I feel like every year I say "this has to be his year" so, we'll see how it goes with him but man, the dope's that there's still hope. TDCHI - haha, nice - enjoy the edibles.

Gibbo


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:47 am EST

“I think about it because I definitely want to be in the top six this season,” McIlrath said of his situation, after having been in and out of the lineup in 34 games last season, his first with the big club. But when asked what McIlrath can do to make that a reality, Vigneault spoke about steadiness and responsibility and knowing his physical limitations.“If he’s going to play regular minutes at this level, he’s going to be a defensive-type defenseman,” Vigneault said. “That’s a guy that’s got good gap, doesn’t get beat one-on-one, whether that be on the rush or in the corner. When he gets an opportunity to beat the first forechecker, he can make a good first pass and get the puck out of our end. That’s how [McIlrath] can contribute on a good team.”

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:45 am EST

“I look at today’s game … and teams that are successful are a combination of speed, skill, hockey-sense on the ice, and I want to see that competitive nature in the one-on-one battles,” he said. “Is that crushing hits? There are some hits sometimes in games that change the tempo of it a little bit more. But I do think there are a lot of other elements — the speed, the skill, the system, the hockey-sense, and obviously the competitive nature.”

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 5:01 am EST

Hospo bingo he is the wildcard this year . It's highly doubtful this guy can improve his philosophy and adjust to his players. They have to win in spite of his whistle to whistle predictable system and game plan. It will not be easy , and he will probably be gone by Christmas. At least they looked good last night and the pp and pk were better. He will find a way to mess it up . His goal is to make the playoffs. That's the wrong mindset. Ask Keenan and smith .

stevielegs


Wed Sep 28 2016 12:58 am EST

Of all Rangers last year, AV had the worst year and was probably the biggest culprit for the Rangers descent to nothingness.....Last year he had zero clue how to put a team, identity or game plan togther with what he had..The more I hear from him this year makes me kinda expect more of the same...Hope not for the players sake

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:37 pm EST

There seems to be a disconnect between philosophy and roster, leaving a glaring question about what Rangers coach Alain Vigneault wants and what he has on defense....... http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/why-vigneaults-strategy-for-d-may-be-problematic-for-rangers/

mf


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:36 pm EST

Couple thoughts: Yeah, for once, Hospo is right...meaningless game...counted seven guys on the Isles...maybe eight...who could end up on the final roster...Probably around the same for the Rangers...but also share the feeling that any time the Rangers beat the Islanders is a good time...I don't care if it's the goddamn New York State Park Rangers beating them...And there was also some real good snapshots at what various guys can do...CLENDENING: Really liked this guy when he was coming up with the Hawks and never really understood why so many teams passed on him. I never really saw him play at the NHL level, so I assumed it was that he simply couldn't/can't keep up with the defensive side of the game...but the guy has ice running through his veins on the PP. Just crisp, smooth passing from the point. Was very good breaking out of the zone too...granted, the Isles didn't have any of their big guns in the game...namely JT...but Clendening made a very good first impression...ZIBANAJED: As advertised. Right-handed sniper. Good centerman too...him, KREIDER and BUCH could be something special...PIRRI was another I liked in college and in the AHL...remember when the Hawks were jerking him around and wanting the Rangers to grab him then...and again, a guy who was basically given away by the Panthers...sure seemed like a solid signing in this game...Liked HRIVIK and JENSEN on the PK...and on the latter, it's going to be a real shame if we end up losing him on waivers...because we will...just so a vet can suck up a spot on the roster. I'm really hoping he makes a strong enough impression to at least stick around like McILRATH did...GIRARDI is sure making a case for the Rangers to get TROUBA...or at the very least, start KLEIN, McI and Clendening down the right side...SKAPSKI seems to have regained form...he had a very rough(and injury filled) year in Hartford. Was good to see him back in form last night, even if it was against a depleted Isles squad. He still faced plenty of good scoring chances and came up big. Think this kid could still have a future here.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 9:02 pm EST

On the same topic, very disappointed with the whole MSG cast in general. There is training camp going on, this a preseason. Not many people will be watching the game. So why not spice up the cast. What do you have to loose. Do clips from camp. Get a beat writer on the cast for a few minutes. Stop fucken interviewing Isles players, and even Rangers players, interview coaches instead for 5 minutes... Man.. no imagination. Is there a camp going on? Was there a World Cup competition going on? I sure did not noticed by the MSG feed. Crickets.. This is precisely why MSG is a joke network and which why hockey will never be popular.....

andrei


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:56 pm EST

Arc: I've bitched and moaned about that idiot Dickiletti for years. He is IMO, the worse colour guy I've ever heard. He truly offers nothing I don't figure out myself and oftentimes, I see stuff that he doesn't even mention, meaning he doesn't see it. And this is a man who played in the NHL and observes the game live. Incredible.

RF4L


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:52 pm EST

I was okay with Sam when the other half consisted of Espo and JD. Shitaletti is just a friggin root canal in the ear. He's a g damned islander shill through and through. He's bad karma I frigin swear. Just like ex Devils on this team it's bad friggin karma. That cocksucker needs have a polyp or two comn as much he prostitutes himself to the company line.

_Arc


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:39 pm EST

ANDREI - Spot on...I hate both....I always look for the away feed becasue they bug me so much

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:37 pm EST

Like SKEJI...yes a rough night...but after how he played last year and what the Rangers need this year....he gets a mulligan or two..to round into form

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:37 pm EST

So nice to see Rangers on the MSG ice. I'm sitting, watching the game, and realizing that while I missed RAngers hockey, I sure did not miss Sam and Joe's Isles live fest in the first period. 1st preseason game, 1st period on about 6 month and these two picked up right where they left last season yaking about Isles changes, Andrew Ladd.. Gee, maybe, just maybe, I wanted to hear about, I don't know... a fucken training camp that is underway??? How about who stand out, how about prospects?? Crickets. Sam, Andrew Ladd was such a great signing.

andrei


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:35 pm EST

WILD -Actually, I wouldn't but I would call them out for a mistake or a bad game..just like a vet...And, I'll also guve them more mistakes than vets...up to a point.....differnt time..different team..different strategies..

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:31 pm EST

Wild- that deflection right in front on the pk. Wtf is Girardi doing there?????? He leaves the guy in front of the net for the deflection and Girardi is just standing there. The guy still looks like the same siphon

_Arc


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:23 pm EST

Wrath with the BLAST! cmon AV ; PLAY THIS KID!!!! And I agree Skeij is having a rough night too

_Arc


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:22 pm EST

I hope we keep this kid he is gonna be a good one

tlats


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:21 pm EST

Mcilrath with the bomb

tlats


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:11 pm EST

Nice save by Skapski...but WTF was Skjei doing there? His stick was up around his shoulders....cant defend like that. You will not be able to tie up a stick, chip a puck letting a guy have a free shot, or you will end up in the sin bin for a high sticking....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:08 pm EST

_Arc: Sorry but the last penalty was total BS. He was fighting for the puck, and did not move as the Islander ran into him and fell down. He has every right to the space he occupies. Interference is supposed to mean you move into the space another player has the "right" to. This was not the case. As for being a step behind...Staal has not been, a couple times sure, but its game 1 of the pre season, and overall he has been solid. Nothing has happened from his area of the ice...you don't hear his name, and nothing has come form any mistakes....so as a Dman thats exactly what you want...the same thing for a Klein type Dman, you don't want to notice him. But Staal has played better tonight than most of last year from what I have seen...Again, its early, so time will tell.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:08 pm EST

I agree Girardi looks horendous. Gets beat to all pucks loses every battle. Head up his ass. Get rid of him by any means necessary.

stepunmytoe


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:04 pm EST

Hospi- u want doom and gloom? Hear ya go; both Staal and Girardi still look like shot to me. Both a half a step behind. Girardis been called for 3 minors already? So much for being healthy now, it's a new year want to prove last year was an abbé ration playing with a chip on my shoulder bullshit.

_Arc


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:04 pm EST

HOSPO: You also know very well if a kid was terrible in one of these games you would be sure to say he should be sent down.....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:03 pm EST

HOSPO: I have tried to remember to qualify my thoughts with "its early" but the coaching staff is watching how they play, and will make decisions based on their play. Also I mean those who stand out in a good way have a better chance of making the roster vs those who are quiet or not good....so its worth paying attention to.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 8:02 pm EST

WIOSA: Split squad....strange to me they do this...but like 4 or 5 teams have split squad games.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:55 pm EST

Hmmm, checking NHL.com, they have the Isles playing us AND Philadelphia....at the same time. Can see where that might get tiring.

WIOSA


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:48 pm EST

Scrub game, preseason, Kids R Us game...anytime we can win, especially against Brooklyn, Im happy. Wish I could see the game...got a sick doggie, running back and forth to hospital. I see our Buffalo Slayer is playing..how's he doing?

WIOSA


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:48 pm EST

Clendenning having a good game. Good decisions, beauty pass on Kreids goal. Z, Pirri, Kreids look good. Girardi already limping after block- nothing changes. Skjei looks up and down, Big Mac solid. We have a lot of skill in this organization all of a sudden. Feel bad for Tanner, no room for him, playing his heart out for maybe a hook up elsewhere. All these 4th liners fight for their lives annually and sometimes literally.

puckyou


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:42 pm EST

wow, alot of conclusions being jumped too after two periods of scrub hockey...but it's better than looking bad!

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:36 pm EST

Am I in Shock here??? 2 Power Play Goals note beautiful than any all of last year. ZIBANAJAD & PIRRI. (butchering the names, my bad).

hipcheck


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:34 pm EST

Tell ya what: think Brandon PIRRI is a keeper.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:27 pm EST

BUCH looks NHL ready to me. SHEA has a very high ceiling. SKAPSKI with a wicked toe save. LAPIERRE size & can skate a bit. HVRIVIK has been my dark horse favorite for 3 years now. MCILRATH deserves to be a top 6 regular.

hipcheck


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:19 pm EST

A lot of size, youth and speed out there for us. I mean, my god, KREIDER looks like a hulk this year.

hipcheck


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:15 pm EST

JOORIS hurt...

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:14 pm EST

Skjei has not looked all that great tonight IMHO. Not bad but i was expecting more....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:14 pm EST

Something to not about ZIBANAJED is that he's a righty shot. Been a LOOONG time since the Rangers had a top-line righty that could shoot the puck like that...agree too that this line...Buch-Z-Kreider looks really good.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:06 pm EST

_Arc: Agreed on Buch. Made a nice little drop pass to Kreider...not things you teach to know when and timing and all that...he gets to the open areas, and doesn't seem afraid at all...all good signs for a young guy who is going through so much adjusting with moving to a new country, new language, smaller ice.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:58 pm EST

Z cocked and ready just like Bernie used to do. That second shot was a great save or he'd already have 2. Buch looks pretty good as well. I'm sure he has some butterflies but he does little things that you just can't teach to be able to get shots through. And he's a ghost out there just popping up in the right spot. Moved the pick very well in the first pp. just one period but it's pretty obvious that the kid can play. Will be very exciting to see some of these kids

_Arc


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:45 pm EST

VERY early, but Clandening doesn't look bad

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:42 pm EST

Buch is patient...waited for the player to slide, and tried to pick his spot....nice to see in his first game on NHL ice.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:36 pm EST

Wow.....Z likes to shoot.....thank fuggin G-d

TradeStar28


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:32 pm EST

If they can get Z set up like that on the PP often, it will become a weapon on the PP. It will at the least make teams have to adjust their coverage to watch that lane, and that will open up others. Lets hope he can keep that up...

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:23 pm EST

No prob hip! Yeah man that was a ripper! And Pirri has one hell of a pass on that play too.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:20 pm EST

OMG!!! That freakin looked like OVECHKIN right there, (((WOW)))!!!!!!! -- Thanks for the link tdchi!! Worked perfect, easy.

hipcheck


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:18 pm EST

Excuse me zinbad

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:17 pm EST

Purple haze ppg

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:55 pm EST

It's not on cable because the channels are still showing baseball

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:55 pm EST

Also, if anyone gets Gamecenter live, the game looks like it's in there. I watch through apple Tv

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:54 pm EST

Wild- I think the Rangers like to introduce all their prospects to the organization at the highest level. I think it isn't a bad idea. They keep the third group of no chances separate so I don't think it hurts anything. They will keep two full teams for the ridiculous pre-season schedule. I think Torts had a small camp one year, or maybe that was after the lockout. They also need a lot of guys for Hartford. If they invite these guys to the big camp, more likely they are willing to try out for the pack.

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:52 pm EST

FYI: this live stream seems to be working. Gotta close a few ads though: http://www.vipbox.sx/ice-hockey/414663/1/new-york-rangers-vs-new-york-islanders-live-stream-online.html

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:44 pm EST

stevielegs: How many teams have 40? The avs had 59 to start....others I have looked at had 50+ to start....why is it that you think the Rangers do something odd?

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:40 pm EST

Wild they do the sos every preseason. Not a great plan. Maybe 2 games with real roster.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:39 pm EST

COMark: Ahhh...there ya go...I don't remember seeing the injury....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:36 pm EST

TD- I'm betting injury is the reason Fontaine is still in camp. I think there is a rule that you can't be cut if you are injured. That would also be why he wasn't on the TCT roster. They probably want him in camp to give him a look over and make sure he is properly assessed. Just my hunch.

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:35 pm EST

stevielegs: There are less than 50 in full participation....its as if there are like 40-45 in camp due to injuries and guy at the WC or just getting back. I think if it wasn't for the WC they would have cut more, or likely had less in camp in the first place.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:33 pm EST

Doesn't need to be more than 40 ... but it's business as usual .. coach gm confusion clusterbomb.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:24 pm EST

Still 50 guys after today's cuts

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:13 pm EST

JETS: I am not convinced the rumours are true the JETS will only trade for a first pairing LH defenseman for Trouba... Mackenzie is full of shit more often than not....

schneidw


Tue Sep 27 2016 5:12 pm EST

Are NYR players UNDER-RATED? I keep asking myself why the NYRs players are NOT respected by the NHL trade rumormongers... For example.... Look at the JETS roster.. only 3 LW players and none has size or experience... https://www.nhl.com/jets/roster TROUBA was drafted 9th overall and has NHL proven skill.... But JT MILLER is 1 year older, drafted 15th overall, and can arguably be shown to have had a better NHL career so far.. Miller is 6-1 and 210 lbs now.. scored 22 goals last year w/o much PP time... I am not saying he a fair 1 to 1 trade (ala Johansson and Jones OR Hall and Larssen) but damn, they are close IMHO!! Am I crazy??!!!

schneidw


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:58 pm EST

td: at times its hard to know why a young guy is kept around. I know for a fact that last year the AVS kept a kid a bit longer for the sole reason that the AVS didn't like the conditioning staff with his junior team, so they held onto him longer to help him develop a good work out routine and a better nutrition program for himself in order to help him along better. It wasn't based on his good play or anything, but more the teams concern for their asset. So much can go into these decisions that you can spend all day thinking and guessing and never guess correctly.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:46 pm EST

There's a pretty big read-between-the-lines moment in those cuts that should be noted: Sean DAY and Gabriel FONTAINE are both still in camp. The former, while worth an eyebrow cock, isn't too surprising. Day was a beast in his last TC game...definitely one of the better players...but the big surprise for me is Gabriel FONTAINE, the sixth rounder drafted last spring. Not eligible to play in the AHL...wasn't on the Traverse City roster...and just generally an unknown. Don't know if there's something more to this or not, but it's bizarre that all the other juniors guys --and there's not a lot of them --got sent home. But he's still here. This is what was said about him at the draft: "Fontaine, who most recently played for Rouyn-Noranda Huskies of the QMJHL, is a 19-year-old who went undrafted last season. He's a cerebral center who plays a complete game. He was a mid-season acquisition for the Huskies and ended up becoming a big reason they won the QMJHL. He did play offensive minutes and get power play time, registering 20 goals and 25 assists in 63 games (plus 16 points in 20 playoff games). However, he was also relied upon by Rouyn-Noranda to be their shutdown center and play penalty kill minutes, and that's likely where his NHL potential lies. He's a cerebral, shutdown forward who is a strong skater and engages in the tug-of-war aspects of the game"

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:37 pm EST

Sorry to see OKSANEN not get a start, but the reality is he has zero chance of making the team and should really get settled in for a season in Hartford. HALVERSON still listed with the team....all the other guys were either on PTOs or are only signed to the Pack.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:35 pm EST

50 players remain...but what 5, 6 were at the WC and Lindberg isn't 100%. SO more like 53-54 players fully active right now....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:33 pm EST

SO 13 guys have been removed from the camp roster. Most of them were on PTO's or ATO's....some of those guys will goto th pack and be on tryouts there...so really, not guys who would be in the mix at all anyway....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:31 pm EST

Gibbo - I'm in and will be doing the same...but 200 miles away from the Garden. Got me some special brownies...

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:07 pm EST

Continued: Halverson, Oksanen, Duke, Carey, Joly,Chapie, Donnay, Noonan, Goulakos

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:07 pm EST

and becsaue FML....from Zipay : Judging from this morning's group practices, at least nine players at camp will be reassigned after tonight's game. They include:

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:03 pm EST

stevielegs: Don't forget this year is odd. Due to the WC there are guys who will not play this first game. There are more guys in camp because of that. Also, why would they basically announce that cuts would come after the game Thursday, save perhaps a junior players or two being sent back due to that teams schedule or some such only to cut guys tomorrow. AV basically said that he wants two full teams in camp until after the second game.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:55 pm EST

Again sos keeping 40 guys for preseason. Might cut some tonight or tomorrow down to 40 wafj and waste of time and space . Preseason will now as usual be the first 41-80 games... there should not be more than 30 ....excuse 4 games in 6 nights ... bfd...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:41 pm EST

Not really Rangers’ news, but kudos to the Terriers for broadcasting ALL their games livestreaming on the Internet. I know I bitched a lot about Traverse City not being broadcast until this year…but at colleges/universities…there’s even LESS reason to not stream the hockey games…ZERO reason…All these teams generally video-record games anyway.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:39 pm EST

WILDCARD - I agree they will take their time with the announcements...but I'm sure all of the easy decsions have been made based on TC and practice....and the next week is to see who of the 5-7 forwards and 2-3 d-men can play consistentlly well..in games and practices..OTOH, AV, like most coaches, probably has some preconceived favorites...We'll see..

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:19 pm EST

stevielegs: Word via Twitter is that AV is going to give everyone a chance to play, tonight and Thursday. I am sure he will have an idea of who will be cut before then but he isn't a guy who does things quick at all. I would bet that the first cuts will come after the game Thursday, but likely they will announce it Friday morning. Would bet they have off ice workouts Friday morning, and thats when they let the guys know who is being sent down/to junior.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:04 pm EST

Needs a bandaid..

RF4L


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:04 pm EST

Quite the boo-boo.

RF4L


Tue Sep 27 2016 3:04 pm EST

stevie: AV cut himself!

RF4L


Tue Sep 27 2016 2:52 pm EST

nobody cut yet ?

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 2:36 pm EST

I'm going to the preseason game @ MSG Thursday if anybody wants to get high and listen to some Dead tunes, let me know

Gibbo


Tue Sep 27 2016 2:32 pm EST

HIP - Let me know if you find something that works..

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 2:18 pm EST

Hospo, -- Thanks Man!! LOL, I did the same, I looked and looked & looked some more, but I just couldn't find/remember the old link. Yes, it was definitely blabseal something or other. I'm going to keep looking, and also play around with Reddit like you & TDCHI mentioned. Thanks Boys'!!

hipcheck


Tue Sep 27 2016 2:12 pm EST

HIPCHECK - I was gonna ask the same thing! My old computer died and I can't remember the streaming link (it worked real well)....Something like blabseal.de in in my memory........Did a search and found this page........https://www.reddit.com/r/rangers/comments/2i22le/blabseal/...not sure how it works though..

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 2:04 pm EST

Hey Hospo, -- What was that link you used for games last year? After hockeystreams.com disappeared, I had a lot of success with that link. Would really appreciate it if you don't mind sharing it again. Thanks! If not, no prob... totally understand. Just thought I'd ask.

hipcheck


Tue Sep 27 2016 1:54 pm EST

MF: it's all gap control, clogging the passing lanes, winning the battles, taking away time and space etc... It hasn't changed much. It's just you can depend less on zone play and more on individual ability to win those puck battles 1 on 1 so your offense doesn't need to play a third forward high. This gives them more chances on doubles screens etc... the game isn't being rewritten. Possession is nothing new but I think some people just thought LA and Chicagos ability to own the puck was just one way to go about business. SJ did the same thing. But PIT took it to another level completely. They literally spent periods with the puck on their sticks. You can't win if you can't get the puck back. You watched how their defense won puck battles hit the spread pass and came thru the blue line three across with no fear to commit a defender into offense as well. Seemed like Letang spent half the playoffs in deep behind the red line. He'd advance the puck and rotate out to the dot looking for that one timer. Havoc all based on posession. Frankly, the New York Rangers traditionally have been a pretty good possession team. Last year they just got exposed however. Badly. A testament to how good Lundqvist actually was.

E


Tue Sep 27 2016 1:28 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/pavel-buchnevich-is-playing-for-the-rangers-tonight/203640506

mf


Tue Sep 27 2016 12:40 pm EST

So, how do you defend against speed & possession? My thoughts are with ample speed with extraordinary positioning... We may see those who go for the big check, or those that miss their checking assignments, fail to follow through, or take themselves "out" of position as a result are going to cost their teams dearly on the score-board.....Another though which comes to mind is, will the Zebras be calling an abundance of interference penalties as a result of the change in the game? jmon.....

mf


Tue Sep 27 2016 11:30 am EST

I think that AV is all in on team speed. So, a guy like Pirri is going to have to bring something else. Right now, with some assumptions on the top-9, Hayes and Stepan are the slowest players. But the wings have a lot of size and speed. And AV clearly is trying to offset the way the Pens utilized speed and possession to win. As I look at the New York Rangers lineup, this team is very quick. Or at least ahead of the curve compared to much of the NHL. I make no secret that my belief the game is very much about possession and speed now. And possession is done in part by having the ability to get in deep and retrieve pucks. I think they have the horses to do this amongst the best teams in the NHL.

E


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:50 am EST

Rangers Current Cap room: NHL Numbers lists us as having $2.45mill HockeyBuzz lists us at $1.4mill

mf


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:34 am EST

OLA - I'm with you on Pirri as a 4th center--just not feeling it....and feel the same way on Gerbel......And I think you and I were the only ones that hated the Stool acquisition from the get go while others had him as the 4th or even 3rd line C that we needed big time....And all he did was totally eff up the 4th line from day 1..

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:28 am EST

I could be wrong on Pirri, but I kind of hope that he does "not" make the team, like it seems like a very bad sign if he does. Kind of the same way I felt about Stoll last season. In today's game speed and just an high overal ability to play the game with the puck trumps everything. Cullen as a 4th line C was big for Pitt winning and so forth. The Pirri I know has the release but very little else...

Ola


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:24 am EST

Tdchi- Thx!

Ola


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:16 am EST

People assume the PK is gonna be better becasue of the signings.of grabner and gerbel..I'd be careful about that,,,We had more than enough decent Pkers last year yet sucked becasue of the passive scheme and the horrid coaching (ARNIEL)...Why will that change?..............As for the Rangers this coming year, man, I think there are so many questions yet to be answered and the result could be any where from a Cup contender to a disaster.....Does NASH find his scoring game the Rangers need? Do ZIBA, MILLER, HAYES and KREIDER take the next step and play consistent (and better) hockey? Are VESEY and BUCH ready for the NHL? Is the PK fixed? Can this team learn how to possess the puck and draw more penalties? Will the worst FO men in the league hurt the squad? Can the current D move the puck and provide enough offense without a trade upgrade? Can previous solid vets like Girardi, Staal and MZA come back form sub par years? I hoenstly don't think anybody can really be certain about too many of the answers to these question....But it looks like it could be an interesting ride..

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 10:05 am EST

E -I have heard that from Flames fans about Jooris, But I have also heard how he goes from solid to invisible and why he couldn;t hold a spot in Calgary..never really impressed me.....But, his competiton is another inconsistent player in PIRRI with higher offense and Laperiere who's onky advantage is FOs...May the lesser of the evils win.......I'm more interested in JENSEN..after seeing him play some good games for Hartford,...Love to see him beat out GERBEL...I think JENSEN, though young, has to pass thru waivers if sent down...

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 9:56 am EST

E – I can vouch for JOORIS. Really solid player. Watched him for years at Union. But with PIRRI signed, I just don’t see how he makes the team.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 9:52 am EST

Oddly enough, I’m not as optimistic as I was last season…because the Rangers are a younger team and they really need some players to emerge as stars…I still think this team is a lock for the playoffs and, depending on how the chips fall, to go deep. I really like the lines up front…I think they’re faster and, strangely enough, tougher. ZIBANAJED, though you can make the argument that he’s not as skilled as BRASSARD, is the bull-in-a-china-shop they needed in the middle…VESEY, I can say I’m on board with this kid and think if he doesn’t make a splash this season(40-plus points), it’ll come soon after. And as much as a clusterf@ck as the forward ranks are right now, I think it’s pretty clear that they’re mostly competing for bottom-line spots…I also love what they’ve done with the PK…the Rangers getting back to even a decent PK would land them five or six more wins that last year…I get a little nervous seeing stiffs like GLASS and LAPIERRE taking the ice…but believe both will not make this roster…and I’m hoping that a guy like JENSEN, who has NHL talent, isn’t left to waivers so that one of these guys is kept…all in all, I think the Rangers’ retool has made them younger and stronger…but I also thing they’re one player short of reaching the finish line here.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 9:48 am EST

Preseason game... not concerned with wins or losses but chemistry and production. Lots of eyes on some interesting players. I think one of the biggest will be Jooris and Jensen. A Flames watcher I know claims that we'll like Jooris. Said he was pretty tenacious and finishes his checks well. We'll see. I'm also interested to see LaPierre. He was a player that I coveted many seasons ago when I felt that the team needed more character and abrasiveness. He is solid on face offs. Yet, his performance with PIT was pretty pathetic and he earned his way out of the NHL. Putting him side by side with Glass? Lots of hitting, physical play and almost no puck control. In short, it's almost inconceivable that both would be on the team and we might be hoping neither. Obviously, Buch-Chris Krieder-Z line will be interesting to see how that comes along. But the New York Rangers could absolutely use a line that's gifted offensively and has 2-big bodies that can bang. This time of year I almost like preseason more then regular games because you'll see some guys that will give you hope for the future that just aren't likely to be playing opening night.

E


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:47 am EST

here we go again....preseason 2016-2017 starts tonight....big question is the d, and weeknow, then the bottom spots ....cuts today ?.....or after the game ? ....so far i'm not excited.....

stevielegs


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:11 am EST

I don't think the TROUBA thing will last very long into the season. Certainly not to Dec.1. You saw how quickly teams have been lining up...I'm sure there will be a bartering period...but it doesn't behoove the Jets to sit on a kid who was going to be a third-pairing D man and who clearly has no interest in playing in Winnipeg any more. Suspect he'll be moved within the month. I think there are differences here between this and the DROUIN situation. For one, Trouba has essentially been saying the same thing all summer...and he's an RFA...Drouin basically didn't get the lineup spot he expected and then pouted. Trouba knows where he's going to be in the lineup...and there's really no where for him to go BUT third-pairing defensemen, save for a trade of Tyler MYERS. I don't see him lacing up for the Jets again...News coverage did mention the Rangers among the suitors...or rather suspected suitors...but now the Rangers' cap space comes into question...even if they were able to sell Trouba on a bridge deal...say $5 million...they'd need to clear about $4 million in cap space. If KLEIN was part of the deal, then that leaves another million to go.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 7:00 am EST

Couple things to remember about VESEY: The kid isn't all offense. He's a very strong player who doesn't shy away from the rough stuff. While I agree a guy like BUCHNEVICH is going to have his defensive gaffs, I think Vesey will be fine in his own end.

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 6:57 am EST

Ola - Not sure who's carrying pre-season, but I've had a lot of good luck finding decent streams through https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/. Sometimes have to weed through some crappy ones. But I don't think I've ever come away empty handed. Sure wish Hockey Streams didn't go the way of the dodo...

tdchi


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:23 am EST

Hospo- I agree, if any left D should be moved to right, it should be Marc Staal. Definitely not Skjei or Staal. I really followed Nik Hjalmarsson closely for Sweden during the WC, he is one of few examples of a successful LH D playing the right side, maybe the only, but you can definitely not think "he can do it so anyone can do it". Hjalmarsson's decision making is extremely crisp. He skates straight into the puck and is very very comfortable with his back-hand, either lifts the puck out, or a short pass to someone the relieves him of pressure. Only when he is under no pressure, he gathers the puck and turns up ice. Hjalmarsson is not the greatest skater, but he is definitely also very quick on his feets. Like he can cover the few feet from outside the net to the end boards in a short race to the puck as fast as anyone. Skjei is a much better skater overall, but also pretty big and racing 10 feets is maybe not his biggest strength. And overall a fluent skating puck-mover would be wasted under those conditions. Its probably a bit late for Marc, but I think (i) he has the skill-set to get it done, and (ii) he is "hurt" the least from playing the wrong side.

Ola


Tue Sep 27 2016 4:14 am EST

Anyone know where the pre-season opening can be watched on demand?

Ola


Tue Sep 27 2016 12:21 am EST

Interested to see how Mcilrarth does..Also of note is that CLENDENNON and BODIE, two players that can quicky zoom past Mcilrath because of offense, are also in the line-up......I put ZERO stock in the noise about how well Krieder-Ziba-Buch has looked in practice, do it in a game and I might take notice...

Hospo


Tue Sep 27 2016 12:08 am EST

(McIlrath Fans, he's penciled in for tomorrow, gives us an opportunity to watch him closely) ..... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/9/26/13058282/new-york-rangers-lineup-for-tomorrow-s-preseason-opener

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:58 pm EST

Interesting Note: Cheveldayoff has the luxury of time to make a trade, """BUT FACES THE DEC. 1 DEADLINE FOR SIGNING RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS."""" If Trouba remains unsigned by that date, he becomes ineligible to play the remainder of the season.

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:45 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/rumor-roundup-suitors-lining-up-for-jacob-trouba

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:44 pm EST

MF - Nah, not until or unless HANZEL gets hurt! I think BUCH and VESEY and HAYES in the top 9 will make us too suspect defesively and will be a no-go...Jesper will get the top 9 spot..

Hospo


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:43 pm EST

Gaborik suffers foot injury & will be out approx 8 weeks ( Gaborik has only played one full 82-game season in his career, and that came during in 2011-12 with the New York Rangers) http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/report-gaborik-will-miss-world-cup-final-out-eight-weeks-with-foot-injury

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:39 pm EST

That RFC draft was cool. Glad I stole your pick Hospo, Vermette for the FO's? ;-)

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:38 pm EST

RE:4th line: Grabner / someone / & Fast is my choice & I agree that we didn't need Gerbie if Fast is on the 4th.... So pencil in a center for that line & you have plenty of speed, defensive responsibility, and if we can find the right center to solidify some chemistry, maybe they can score too.. (Maybe Lindberg when he's healthy)

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:24 pm EST

Although I won't mind seeing it, I'm not sure AV is ready to move FAST off the top three lines and might indeen need him for some defesive stability up there-----Nash,Step,MZA,Kreider,Ziba,Miller, Hayes, Vesey are my bet for the first 8....If BUCH is ready to play the way NHL game on a consistent basis, then I guess he's the 9th and, yeah, poor Jasper moves to the 4th line.....But, I'm not sure he will be ready. (where he ends up is another story)...that leaves the 4th line with GRABNER as a given then something like Jooris-vs Lapiere vs Pirir at C.....and Gerbel vs Jensen vs Piri..Personally, I'm hoping for a Gerbel free lineup..there's plenty of forwards that can kill penalties....which was more of a problem of coaching/strategy then personnel anyway.

Hospo


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:13 pm EST

I see people mentioning Staal-Girardi as a pairing....I guess it's a possibility, but I can't see it in today's game ..Not enough offense or puck moving for a 2nd pair and Staal ain't ready to be dropped to a 3rd pair......I'd rather see SKEJI-STAAL..and the nthe three mainy defenicve guys fighting for the 3rd pairing...But, I'm not the coach...We'll see

Hospo


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:07 pm EST

TDCHI/CM - I was gonna draft BUCH at the end also to go with VESEY and SKEJI ! But didn't want to push my luck!!...I tell ya, the draft threw me for a loop at least three times when two of the players I had targetted with two picks remaining before me were BOTH picked up! I think TDCH and MF were a few of the culprits!!

Hospo


Mon Sep 26 2016 10:08 pm EST

Apparently the two lines that have looked really good in camp so far have been: Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich and Vesey-Hayes-Nash. Both lines are very intriguing to me. That would leave another line of Miller-Stepan-Zuccarello and a 4th line of Grabner-Gerbe/Lindberg-Fast. I think that makes for pretty balanced forward lines with a 5th line of Pirri-Jooris-Jensen. That's some pretty good depth.

evets1980


Mon Sep 26 2016 7:23 pm EST

CM - Was there to the bitter end and YES I saw you draft BUCH...Thought everyone was snoozing on that one and was gonna grab him with my last pick...Instead I ended up with Riley Friggin' Sheehan!

tdchi


Mon Sep 26 2016 7:10 pm EST

CM: that was awesome. That's the first time I drafted flying over St. Louis headed west. Too bad their internet crapped the bed and I got bumped off for the last .25 of it. Always look forward to the battle with you savages.

E


Mon Sep 26 2016 7:04 pm EST

I'm actually still hoping for a trade to upgrade the 1C position. Zucc and Step for RNH or Drai from Edmonton. Maybe throw in a Girardi or Staal to expand the deal. That would allow a little more 'balanced' team (get a guy like Jenssen or Hrivik a shot. This still leaves no room for Pirri or Jooris. Again there's way too much of a glut up front. G damned I wish we had somehow gotten into the Hall move over the summer. I can't believe we couldn't have done better than what they ended up getting for him.

_Arc


Mon Sep 26 2016 6:54 pm EST

CMark- that's three for the Graber- Gerbel- Fast 4th line. That's an awfully Wussified group of forwards tho man. That would most certainly necessitate Wrath being back there sometime. Maybe rotate in a Lapierre or Glass against the Degenerates from philly etc. I know we're moving away from the physical stuff but good lord that lineup makes me eeek a little.

_Arc


Mon Sep 26 2016 5:17 pm EST

I for one am more optimistic than most about this season. I like the competition in camp and I really doubt that Staal and Girardi are done completely. They are proud guys who are used to being counted on. I think the short off-season and the motivating criticism will be a big factor in their turnaround. I also think that McD will bounce back. I wasn't too encouraged by his WCH play, though. I agree with MILLER as third line center if Buch can stick in the top 6. That's a big "IF" but would be nice. Hopefully FAST bumps to the 4th line along with Grabby-Gerber and company. I think Vesey-Miller-Hayes might be an intriguing line combo, along with Nash-Step-Zuc, Kreids-Z-Bad-Buch,

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 26 2016 5:11 pm EST

So I'm finding the lack of training camp info on the Rangers website to be annoying. It used to be they would have a list of who was in camp and then when cuts were made, who is left. I know there are no cuts yet, but I'm having a tough time figuring out who is there. Just my frustration as I'm one of those nerds who likes to keep track of the roster on a freakin' spreadsheet! BTW- RFC FHL live draft was a blast! Not many stuck around for my last live pick: Buchenevich!

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 26 2016 5:02 pm EST

I will repeat - where did I say the Ranger defense sucks? Of course you cannot come up with an example but of course, you being you, you add to the stupidity by claiming I have said everybody sucks. Geesh...do me and the wall a favour: Skip by my posts.

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 4:51 pm EST

TDICHI- AGREED!!

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 4:50 pm EST

Now the BAD Top 3: (1) A.V will not have patience nor confidence to trust all the young players on the roster, (2) Nash will not rebound to score like he did 2 years ago, and (3) Henrik will continue to slide...

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 4:50 pm EST

Trading McDONAGH for a forward, IMO, would be like replacing your roof and then starting a campfire in your attic. We'll see about whether the STAAL-GIRARDI pairing can rebound...I know a bunch of the analytic folks have been pointing out on Twitter today(and all summer for that matter) that Girardi's decline did not statistically start last season and that his figures have been getting steadily worse for years now...I don't necessarily give a toss about these clowns and think they look WAY too much into these bizarre stats to try and make sense out of a sport they ultimately don't understand...but that said, I think the Rangers REAL problem on D is that they have no one capable of being a top-pairing guy on the right...Girardi gave the illusion of being one for a while, but I'm not sure he really ever was...KLEIN is a great second pairing guy...but top pairing? They need to shore up the right side and they could really use someone who can move the puck over there. TROUBA accomplishes both of those things...and if you can get him WITHOUT losing McD, you've suddenly gotten a phenomenal top-pairing with a very good second pairing(Staal and Klein).

tdchi


Mon Sep 26 2016 4:48 pm EST

NYRs 16-17 Season TOP 3 (GOOD): (1) most important, Staal and Girardi will be way better players this year, (2) Skeij and Vesey will be solid contributors as rookies, and (3) the NYR penalty killing will improve with Grabner

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 4:05 pm EST

"What's not been addressed, however, is the defense and the leadership core. If both perform as they did last year, then this team will struggle." Thats the type of stuff you say all the time....So you think moving McD for a Forward is the right idea. Likely you think it should be Duchene....Oh and By the way...I didn't get a chance to respond a while back. The reason I say these things about him is because people who know a HELL of a lot more about hockey than me, and know him directly that say this.....see I actually know someone from the AVS coaching staff....someone who is paid to work with this jackass who blows him off when he tried to show him what he is doing wrong...says things like "did you see that I scored that game?" as if the rest of the time on the ice didn't matter. You would likely Trade a top D for a guy who is a terrible team mate...making the Rangers worse overall. I will never think Duchene is anything but a selfish crap player who can only get points when he is feeling loved and appreciated....when the coaches get on him for his bad play otherwise he goes into a slump. This isn't my opinion.....its the opinion of the AVS...hence the reason the guy is in the rumor mill all the time and no one ever makes a decent offer.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 26 2016 3:53 pm EST

RF4L: You are the "everyone on the Rangers sucks" person on this wall along with a few others....with very few exceptions. You are always the one saying the Rangers will be in a fight to make the playoffs. That they are not that good, that player "x" "y" and "z" are not as good as players from other teams. Disagree? Well yeah, i disagree that the Rangers should be trading their top Dman for a forward when the Forward ranks are not hurting but the D is. Its not about knowing more than anyone else...thats the truth according to every single thing you can find about the Rangers out there be it bloggers or beat writers or the experts who work for the letter networks in the USA and Canada. SO everyone says the Rangers D is the biggest issue...somehow you decide that it would make sense to trade the top Dman on the team, who also has one of the best cap hits in the NHL at his position, for a forward...making the D ranks WORSE and creating a larger log jam on the front end.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 26 2016 2:55 pm EST

And show me where I said the Ranger defense sucks?

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 2:55 pm EST

Wild: What's with your inability to disagree with someone's point without getting all pissy about it? Do you really think you know that much more than anyone else?

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 2:48 pm EST

RF4L: You are one of the "Rangers D sucks" people and you say your would be open to move McD for a FORWARD. WTF?? I mean, the Rangers right NOW will be sending NHL caliber F to the AHL or trading them. They NEED D and you are OK with trading a top end D for a Forward................thats makes all sorts of sense......McD has one of the best contracts in the NHL for a top 4 D let alone a top 2 D. There is no scenario in which I would move McD for a Forward that wasn't a top 10 F in the NHL....You fall in this category that every single player the Rangers have can be upgraded by players from other teams and still be within the cap. I don't think you will even keep a player as good enough to not move....its asinine....

Wildcard


Mon Sep 26 2016 2:12 pm EST

CMARK - Almost sounds like we have our own version of Beavis and Butthead...But if they play good hockey, I'm fine with it.... SCHNEIDW - Agree with you on MCD...He would even be better if we had a good puck mover somewhere else in the top 6...but we don't.......Tries to do too much at times...but, unfortuantely, that "too much" is needed given the big hole in the lineup...

Hospo


Mon Sep 26 2016 2:05 pm EST

schneidw: I'd be open to move McD but I want a young highly skilled forward in return. IMO, Gorton may have missed the boat when Taylor Hall was made available.

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 2:04 pm EST

CoMark: At least Vesey didn't say 'he has a big tool for me...'. YIKES!

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 1:54 pm EST

Vesey on Hayes-Could have been written by a wallster! “He’s been a big tool for me to lean on this summer and in camp.” … Just drop the second half of the sentence!

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 26 2016 1:45 pm EST

TDICHI: keep in mind, McDonough has one of the most cap friendly contracts in the NHL... he is untradeable as far I am concerned.... he will have a bounce back season this year

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 1:41 pm EST

Schneidw- I think from what I gathered Cherapanov had Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) which has been treated with corticosteroids. But the dipshit team doc along with management decided they were going to treat him themselves (instead of sending him to a cardiologist) and erroneously treated him with some sort of anabolic steroid (which is why they were sued and sanctioned). If this were to happen here I'd lose my liscence in no time flat. But the point is that this was medical malpractice (along with morally corrupt) and then continuing to let him play hockey was just downright criminal. TD- that's a good point regarding Torts and we can disagree on his talent level (I thought he was more along the lines of a poor mans Kovachuk) but it's a damned shame that the poor kid lost his life. Don't forget he was breaking all kinds of records that were set by some pretty damned good hockey players (at the same age group). From what everybody was saying (Jags) he was the real deal. Also remember he prob would have been a top5 pick had it not been for the issues between the NHL and KHL at the time. To say that getting Lindberger for him is just downright depressing (I had always thought it was Step that we had gotten from that comp pick). Way to piss in my Cheerios again.

_Arc


Mon Sep 26 2016 1:00 pm EST

schneidw – When I originally posted about maybe moving McDONAGH for TROUBA, we still had YANDLE on the roster…but yeah, I would still deal him for Trouba…not straight up, mind you. I’d want at least a very good prospect back in return…CONNOR would be a GREAT start…or ARMIA and LEMIEUX…would do that in a New York minute…Here’s the thinking: We’re stacked on the left…losing McD would be a blow, but not as big of one as you might think. SKJEI is ready for prime time…And he’s a very McDonagh-esque player…though I don’t think he’s nearly as mean…still, you have GRAVES who has all the trappings of a very good NHL blueliner and who is going to be ready for action in the very near future…And the hope is that Sean DAY will be ready to go on the left in another couple seasons…You may even have Getting Trouba would essentially move GIRARDI down to third pairing where he belongs…And there are some preliminary indications that REUNANEN is another bound for the NHL…so you get the picture…I’m not surprised at all to hear they’re basically asking for a Trouba-type player for the left side…and for the life of me I can’t figure out why they’re not marketing the hell out of MYERS…but Trouba is a special player. My ultimate fantasy would be to have him AND McD on the blueline..but if you could move McD, get even more prospects/picks back AND solidify the right side for the next 8 years(i.e. sign Troubs to a career contract)? For it 100 percent…As for moving McILRATH and MILLER for him…well, it might surprise you to hear me say I’d do that deal in a heartbeat too, and Miller is probably my favorite Ranger…but that’s not something Peg is going to do. They’ve got LAINE, CONNOR, EHLERS, SCHEIFFLE to start…WHEELER and LITTLE as vets…And that’s to just name a few. They’re so stacked on wing it’s ridiculous. You might be able to tempt them with a kid like NIEVES…but they have no need for any of the Ranger wingers…most would end up on third line…and they’re not going to move a guy like Trouba to stock their bottom lines…they want a top player.

tdchi


Mon Sep 26 2016 12:39 pm EST

Buffallo offered Evander Kane and a 2nd round of Jose Cuevo for Trouba... Maybe a few more rounds will do it.......

mf


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:45 am EST

TROUBA: NO WAY is Buffalo dealing Rutsaillenan for Trouba... the Finish player is superior

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:43 am EST

Cherepenov: His death was highly suspicious... the Russian doping program was in full throes... Many cyclists died in the 2000s of heart failure...too many red blood cells literally induced heart attacks because of slow circulation... I am no doctor and have no inside info..just mere speculation...conspiracy theory

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:41 am EST

Jets apparently in discussions with Buffalo for their Finnish d-man (although word is the Sabres aren't really interested plus he wants the sort of money Trouba wants so that doesn't really make financial sense for the Jets) and the Leafs, although the Leafs will not part with Morgan Reilly to get it down.

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:39 am EST

Bob MacKenzie saying the Jets want a 'high impact left handed d-man' in return for Trouba. They are looking at a one for one deal. They are arguing that yes, Trouba for them is on the 3rd pairing but really is a top pairing d-man. Is McD a left handed d-man? Not that I would do that deal one for one. I might consider it depending on what else the Jets are prepared to give up, but it sounds like nothing meaning Trouba will not be a Ranger.

RF4L


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:37 am EST

TROUBA: I am totally enamored with the 22YO defenseman with 1st line potential.... IN the spirt of giving to get.... I think a realistic trade would be JT MILLER and D McIrath (from Winnipeg) for Trouba and a low level prospect... The Jets biggest need is left wing, the NYRs have a surplus of LW and this trade also gives the Jets a replacement for Trouba who the NYRs are probably going to lose to waivers... this trade is a Win-Win...

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 11:31 am EST

TDICHI: McDonough for Trouba?? Seriously??! You are willing to trade the best USA bred defenseman, the NYR Captain for a 3rd pair defenseman on a team that can't even make the playoffs??????

schneidw


Mon Sep 26 2016 10:56 am EST

Really impossible to know what CHEREPANOV would have become with the Rangers, if anything. He and BUCH are different players…think Cherry was more of a pure goal scorer…but I’m not sold on whether he was a better prospect…another factor is that had it not been for his health issues, Cherry would have jumped into a Ranger mess, which was the first season Torts coached…and if we hop into the way back machine, there was ample evidence that Tortorella wanted nothing to do with Russians on his roster. Anisimov was basically the only one…not sure a player like Cherry would have done very well under Torts…and I could have easily seen a situation develop where Torts laid into the kid and he went back to Russia…FWIW, the Rangers DID get something out of the Cherepanov tragedy and that was Oscar LINDBERG. Originally drafted WEREK for the compensatory second rounder and then moved him for the Swedish centerman in what now looks like a fabulous deal.

tdchi


Mon Sep 26 2016 10:32 am EST

guess my name will be zinbad from sinbad ...or zingood ? . better than zibi or ziba which his team might nickname him.......so stepan, bazzokarella, and jitters .....hayes vesey nash, ....zin buch kid k.....

stevielegs


Mon Sep 26 2016 10:19 am EST

ERIC on SEPTEMBER 26, 2016 11:07 AM marchand deal done in boston 8 yr extension aav little above 6 per - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/25/mika-zibanejad-showing-why-rangers-love-his-upside/#sthash.LUdReB8H.wyrWBWrs.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Sep 26 2016 9:39 am EST

lineup.....Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich, Kovacs-Hrivik-Stromwall, Pirri-Jooris-Jensen, Glass-Lapierre-Brown. Staal-Clendening, Skjei-Girardi, Bodie-McIlrath. Skapski,Hellberg. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/25/mika-zibanejad-showing-why-rangers-love-his-upside/#sthash.LUdReB8H.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Sep 26 2016 9:34 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/25/mika-zibanejad-showing-why-rangers-love-his-upside/#sthash.LUdReB8H.dpbs

stevielegs


Mon Sep 26 2016 7:18 am EST

Dedication determination discipline

stevielegs


Mon Sep 26 2016 7:11 am EST

I'm not convinced buch will make it the NHL. I don't think cherry would have even without health problems. Talent and skill are only a part of surviving and flourishing in the NHL. ... need Dorsett's 3 d's ...

stevielegs


Mon Sep 26 2016 6:46 am EST

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich...hmmm...maybe that means MILLER pops down to center Hayes and Vesey...that's another combo that would really make sense...Think Miller in the middle makes a hell of a lot more sense than Hayes there.

tdchi


Mon Sep 26 2016 6:43 am EST

Vic/Hospo - Count me as one who is somewhat surprised HAYES made it through the summer without getting shipped off somewhere...I have my suspicions the reasons or reason for that begins and ends with VESEY...but nonetheless, I can't imagine he left MSG last season without getting read the riot act. The Rangers didn't sign Hayes to be a third or fourth line plugger...they certainly didn't sign him thinking he'd be his brother...who is basically just that: A bottom line plugger...you have to think someone in the Rangers front office basically said 'get your ass in gear or you're going to be on the first bus out of here.' I don't share the opinion that most have here...that WYSIWYG with Hayes...think he's got another level....don't think he'll ever be a superstar, but think he could be a very valuable piece of this team...I can almost guarantee he's going to get a chance to play with Vesey, which is a very good thing...they are very complimentary players...Hayes likes to carry the puck, Vesey likes to bury it.

tdchi


Mon Sep 26 2016 6:29 am EST

RF4L - I said a while back that I would move McDONAGH for TROUBA...wouldn't do it straight up...Winnipeg would need to throw in a prospect...maybe even two...but I would make that move. The Rangers are strong enough on the left side they can make that deal ESPECIALLY if they're solidifying the right side....but...as Rhet0ric points out with STAAL, that would put the Jets in the position of having to leave MYERS or ENSTROM exposed in expansion draft...I suspect if the Rangers were dealing with Peg, the deal would look like SKJEI, a first and FAST. Or maybe NIEVES. Would be tough parting with two good young players...but to get Trouba? Would be worth it.

tdchi


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:51 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-expecting-growth-mika-zibanejad-article-1.2805904

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:19 pm EST

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/123637-the-mysterious-death-of-the-siberian-express-rangers-alexei-cherepanov "The cause of his death was disputed. A regional investigator said it was chronic ischemia. Investigations of negligence revealed he suffered from myocarditis, a condition where not enough blood gets to the heart, and that he should not have been playing professional hockey." Sorry got my Russians all mixed up. The Yulia Zhukova report was the one which everyone initially sited but was later (2/2009) discredited.

_Arc


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:17 pm EST

Cherepanov died on October 13, 2008 after collapsing during the third period of a KHL game against Vityaz Chekhov. After finishing a shift, Cherepanov skated to the bench with his teammates, Jaromir Jagr and Pavel Rosa, where according to coach Wayne Fleming, "He just laid back, passed out and went kind of white." Jagr immediately shouted for assistance. Attempts were made to revive Cherepanov at the bench, and when they were unsuccessful he was carried back to the team's dressing room by his teammates, where doctors continued to work. Cherepanov was transferred to a local hospital but he was pronounced dead later that evening. Initial reports claimed that he had died of a heart attack..... In the immediate aftermath of Cherepanov's death, there were many conflicting reports and accusations. Early reports indicated that Cherepanov suffered from chronic ischemia, and many reports questioned Avangard Omsk's medical staff and why they were unaware of his heart condition. Other reports claimed that Cherepanov's autopsy showed evidence of myocarditis. Outside doctors, particularly in North America were skeptical of this early explanation, believing it unlikely that a young, elite athlete would suffer from an undiagnosed form of ischemia, particularly when considering the medical testing he underwent prior to the NHL draft. Further reports out of Russia suggested a hypertrophic heart, which would be more in line with other cases of sudden death in athletes. In addition to issues with the immediate cause of death for Cherepanov, Russian officials immediately launched an investigation into the emergency response by the team, facilities and paramedics on site. Initial concerns were raised as to why Cherepanov had been allowed to play, if he had a heart condition that should have been picked up by routine medical tests that he was believed to have undergone. The ambulance that is required to be on duty at all KHL games had already left, as there were only five minutes left in the game, and the defibrillator in the arena was non-functional...... The investigation into Cherepanov's death continued for several months. In December, reports out of Russia indicated that blood and urine samples collected from Cherepanov showed that he had been engaged in blood doping. This was later clarified, as Russian officials said that what initially appeared to be blood doping was actually an attempt by team officials and doctors to treat Cherepanov's condition surreptitiously. After this revelation in January 2009, the KHL suspended five Avangard officials and doctors for attempting to treat a condition which should have only been managed by experienced cardiologists. The investigation into Cherepanov's death was reopened in August 2009, after federal prosecutors ruled that the previously suspended team physicians were unaware of his heart condition, and had not prescribed the medications he was taking. Cherepanov's agent, Jay Grossman stated that tests conducted by the NHL prior to the 2007 Entry Draft had not shown any health problems.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:15 pm EST

NY Ranger Hockey in approx 44 hours..... It's been a long summer off......

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:08 pm EST

A regional investigator, Yulia Zhukova was quoted by the Associated Press saying that Cherepanov suffered from chronic ischemia, a rare heart condition that would have been easy to diagnose. """Many doctors have questioned the report,""" saying that it is unlikely a 19-year-old could have the condition......................... """Detroit Red Wing team physician Dr. Anthony Colucci, believes that, based on the reports he has heard, Cherepanov suffered from hypertrophy cardiomyopathy (HCM). “HCM would be No. 1 on my list for what was the cause of death,” he told TSN’s Bob McKenzie. “This is the leading cause of death in elite athletes who exhibit no other symptoms and then collapse during activity.”""" .............. http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/sports/October-08/Death-of-Russian-Hockey-Player-Causes-Concern.html

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:02 pm EST

Yulia Zhukova said Cherepanov, who died Monday playing for Avangard Omsk in a Continental Hockey League game outside of Moscow, apparently had chronic ischemia - a medical condition when not enough blood gets to the heart or other organs.....http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=386600

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:57 pm EST

Docjay- Can't get to copy the other links where it states specifically the myocarditis but a simple google search will get you the results of the ultimate findings from Yulia Zhuchova's report into the incident.

_Arc


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:51 pm EST

At the risk of sounding like a broken record.... if you're Marc Staal would you agree to waive your NMC to only then be left unprotected for the Expansion Draft? Especially when if you don't waive your NMC you get to stay in NY where you're happy. It's non-sensical. FYI, Lose-a-peg has to protect Byfuglien and Enstrom and will most certainly protect Myers.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:45 pm EST

_Arc: A wirefraudulogram has also uncovered severe buildup of treasono-pneumonia fluid all over, poor thing. I hear she's still a Chitown Blackhawk fan....... LGR! ..... (see it's a hockey post)

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:45 pm EST

Docjay- http://www.espn.com/nhl/news/story?id=3838563. You have the incorrect information based on the initial heresay. This is a retrospective from a little while after the event and clearly states that it was myocarditis (my bad calling it pericarditis). Make the long story short people were sanctioned heavily BECAUSE they tried to treat it with some cacackammie steroid themselves and didn't hold him out.

_Arc


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:42 pm EST

mf: Agreed that it's moot and I'd say the chances are slim because Gorton isn't going to give up picks now.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:37 pm EST

arc- google cherapanov hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, thats what caused hus arryhtmia , not post viral myocarditis . in other words a congental condition , which meant his hockey career was over regardless

docjay


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:29 pm EST

RF: we'd be getting back a proven NHL player for our pick and the player is a 1st rounder #9 overall. When was the last time we picked that low, look at Trouba's age, and look at how young the Rangers have become overall.... All moot, because our chances are slim & slimmer.........

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:29 pm EST

Docjay- don't think it was ever reported that cherapanov had HCM. The only thing that I remember was that he had pericarditis (possibly post viral) which is why he was apparently prescribed steroids for and told to keep playing. I remember getting into it with someone because they had suggested that the steroids were for muscle mass. Either way although I agree with you're assessment that his career would have been effectively over if the etiology was from cardiomyopathy but If it was due to a post viral pericarditis the kid would be preparing for his peak years on the first line on Broadway. Stevie- that's easy mate; called congenital liaritis.

_Arc


Sun Sep 25 2016 8:57 pm EST

mf: I sure do...as per usual, we can agree to disagree. I wonder if Staal would consider Winnipeg because it's the closest NHL city to his home town of Thunder Bay.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 8:03 pm EST

Arnie Palmer took his last putt. RIP

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 7:23 pm EST

VIC - You know I haven't been a Hayes fan, but I to love the fact that he's taking things seriously..can't ask for more as far as conditioning...Hope he got a little stronger also...Way too many times all it took was a brereze to knock him down but I'm sure conditioning was a factor there...Make his game a bit more straight forward (not totally) and we might have something....

Hospo


Sun Sep 25 2016 7:05 pm EST

Can't tell you how happy I am to hear about HAYES improved conditioning. That was one of my major issues with him last year as he had so little stamina it was ridiculous. He had one burst in him per shift and after that he was done. Hopefully his improved conditioning will show in his skating and in other areas as well. We will know in a few days when the preseason games start. He looked like shit from the very first preseason game he played last year so I'm looking to see if he looks like a different player in these games.

Vic


Sun Sep 25 2016 5:28 pm EST

This TROUBA saga is all about an ego manac money grubbing agent who loves to try and put the screws to teams and an impatient kid (TROUBA) who wants it the easy way rather then forcing his way up the depth chart....I hope Chevelday plays it like Yzerman did with Drouin and lets the kid and agent sit around with their thumbs up their ass until he's willing to come back and play....Then maybe they can work something out...from the various options..

Hospo


Sun Sep 25 2016 4:52 pm EST

RF4L... If we were going to move McDonagh in a deal for Trouba, I'm thinking it would have to be McDonagh and maybe Fast for Trouba and Kyle Connor.

evets1980


Sun Sep 25 2016 4:01 pm EST

A quick review of WPG's Defense and it looks like they are light on the LHS D..... They have Enstrom, Stuart, & then Strait......... If Marc Staal would agree to waive, I'd start my trade with him.... WPG could slot Staal on the LHS 2nd pair & push Stuart to the 3rd pair......... I'd let Holden & SKJEI compete for 2nd & 3rd LHS pair..... Bench Girardi until he agrees to waive his NMC or he can sit the season out... It's a harsh move, I like Girardi, but its still a business, OR, IF AV refuses to play MCILRATH, send him out West where we wont face him this season, and let McIlrath get some playing time on WPG's 3rd line, he's earned it....... RF: I have no problem giving them our 1st in a weak draft......

mf


Sun Sep 25 2016 3:12 pm EST

That said, given what AV has said lately, I find it hard to believe Gorton would even be interested in moving a proven d-man for someone who's not played anything but bottom pairing minutes. If the Rangers were rebuilding, yes but it seems obvious they aren't. For me if I'm moving McD it's for someone like Taylor Hall, not another d-man with way less experience.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 3:09 pm EST

TD: Would you do that deal? McD for Trouba? I'd ask for more than Trouba if I was Gorton. McD is proven - Trouba is potential. If you could get Trouba and a first I'd do it, although I think you'd have a tough time getting the Jets to give up a first. They tend to accumulate picks, not trade them away. Perhaps one of their many forward prospects could be possible.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 3:07 pm EST

Sweden eliminated in OT. The King will be in NY shortly.......

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 3:04 pm EST

Sarah McLellan ‏@azc_mclellan ...... Team Europe, featuring Rieder, takes down Sweden (Ekman-Larsson) 3-2 in overtime. Rieder played 10:40; Ekman-Larsson 19:10.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 3:00 pm EST

At least Lundqvist won't be getting embarrassed by the Canadiens..

Shaggy


Sun Sep 25 2016 2:58 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie .... Figure that Jets' ask for Trouba would be McDonagh...

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 2:05 pm EST

Per Tom Gulitti ‏@TomGulittiNHL ..... Lundqvist fell after making left arm save on Tatar's initial shot. Tatar backhanded rebound over him. Sweden in trouble.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 1:52 pm EST

AV said that Kevin Hayes really worked in his conditioning this sumner. They were extremely happy with his numbers(Treff).... First #NYR camp cuts will come either before of after Tuesday's game vs. Islanders. (AV) Will keep enough players for two teams(Zipay)..... “They were by far the best line and the three best players today in practice.” — Vigneault on Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich line. #NYRTC (NYR).... Team A will play in first game. But it's composition will be a little different than it is today. Will know more tomorrow(Treff).

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 1:46 pm EST

So Kevin's hayes was the most improved in the conditioning tests this year? Wow. Wonder if the Bing hits were curtailed, or perhaps he simply payed off the munchies this Summer.

Bob


Sun Sep 25 2016 12:11 pm EST

doc what's your distant diagnosis of Hillary ? ...you can put it on the other wall .....

stevielegs


Sun Sep 25 2016 12:09 pm EST

just imagine no cap like the not so old days....the nyr would have 120 mil payroll....and sather would be behind the bench trying to get another ring for his nose....

stevielegs


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:43 am EST

jacob trouba has a similair game and skill set to DOug Harvey and in response to those who say what if to chrapanov the liklihood is even if he had survived his arryrhmia and heart seizure he would never have played again because he had a congental hear condition hypertrophic cardiomyopathy . the rangers should have done better pre draft testing to uncover the problem but it would have slowly progressed in any event, even if he hadnt died , and robbed him of his stamina and once diagnosed he would gave been forced to retire .

docjay


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:29 am EST

Bob: What's ironic about this is that you know the Jets will be demanding a return equal to that of at least a top 4 d-man and probably a top pairing d-man. If that's what they believe he's worth, why the hell are they electing to keep Tyler Myers over him? Something doesn't quite make sense here IMO.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:28 am EST

Bob - haha none taken. Admittedly, I'm a HUGE TROUBA fan. Loved the kid ever since he helped us Yanks take the gold. He was an absolute MONSTER that year...was the same team MILLER was on...kid was just a force of nature in that tourney and I've wanted him on this team ever since.

tdchi


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:19 am EST

Jose Fernandez (Miami Marlins) has died in a boating accident. What a talent and a tragic loss regardless. Just got me thinking how different things would have turned out over last couple of years if Cherapanov had been there. For all the hype about Buch I don't think he comes close to what Cherapanov promised to be. And such a senseless death which could have been prevented with appropriate management.

_Arc


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:19 am EST

Jose Fernandez (Miami Marlins) has died in a boating accident. What a talent and a tragic loss regardless. Just got me thinking how different things would have turned out over last couple of years if Cherapanov had been there. For all the hype about Buch I don't think he comes close to what Cherapanov promised to be. And such a senseless death which could have been prevented with appropriate management.

_Arc


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:16 am EST

I think Drouin was/is a much better prospect than Trouba. I think the Jets let him sit and rot until he reports. Winnipeg's D is deep, so unless someone blows them away with an offer that includes a player ready to step in AND a #1 pick, I think he stays there. It may be that some people (one on this board) overestimate the kid's potential and that the rest of the league is not so enamoured with him. No offense intended TD!

Bob


Sun Sep 25 2016 11:07 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay ..... Regarding WPG D Jacob Trouba: Have to figure NYR and others East teams interested, but Jets will want young D ready now and high picks

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:32 am EST

TD: Well we do agree on one thing regarding the Trouba saga: The Jets should move Myers and keep Trouba.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:21 am EST

While recovering from hip surgery Oscar Lindberg is skating on his own during the first few days of training camp. (NYR) Lindberg has been skating for the past few weeks. Lindberg is said to be on schedule to return in November. (Cerny) Boo Nieves, who suffered an upper body injury in the final game in Traverse City, is being listed as day to day and not skating. (NYR)

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:15 am EST

And there are some distinct similarities between what's going on with TROUBA and what happened with DROUIN. I will point out though that the Drouin situation would have gone down A LOT differently where it not for the STAMKOS injury...Drouin would be on another club by now had Stamkos not gone down...And Yzerman's handling of that situation was borderline reckless. Drouin would have spend the rest of the season on the shelf...and instead, he was one of the main reasons the Lightning went to the cup finals...You have a kid who is saying 'let me show you what I can do...give me a chance...' and he's of a pedigree of Drouin or Trouba, you let the kid skate! If he fails, then you say 'we told you so' and get a massive discount on his contract...but guys like this don't fail too often...Jets are absolutely stupid. They're gonna lose this kid and he's gonna make a hell of a name for himself somewhere in the NHL.

tdchi


Sun Sep 25 2016 10:08 am EST

Well frankly I don't blame Trouba. The kid has the goods and he's skating behind Tyler MYERS? Organization tells him he's a major part of their future, but nickle-and-dimes him on a new contract? Basically the Jets are telling him they won't pay him what he's worth and then pointing to his stats as an evidence that he's not deserving of a long-term contract...but won't play him in the spot he needs to put up big numbers. The Jets should have never grabbed MYERS...Trouba is a better D man now and will be five times the hockey player when he reaches his potential...were I the Jets, I would have moved Myers at the draft and signed Trouba to the long-term deal he wants. But they're dicking around with him now...trying to low-ball him and basically telling him to wait in the wings...not what you do with a franchise player. Kid should be skating 25-plus minutes a game and be on the first PP unit...he was a MAJOR reason the U.S. took home the gold in the WJC a few years back...and unlike the Jets, their coach knew how to use him...this is a kid you stick on the blueline and feed him. Could easily be a 15-goal scorer from back there. Maybe 20. Grabbing a sure thing to anchor your D for the next decade versus grabbing a pick between 15 and 30 in a draft where the only real star-in-the-making is the first overall? Hmm...I think I'd part with that pick pretty quickly. And I think any GM in the Rangers situation would too. I have issues with dealing the pick for someone like SHATTENKIRK, who is already at his potential...but for 22-year-old kid who could possibly put up 50 points from the blueline? No issues at all with making that move.

tdchi


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:49 am EST

However, I do like the competition depth in the bottom-6 forwards going on. You're gonna see some moves being made coming up. And those maybe picks for upcoming drafts as they backfill and start getting this team back on good footing. Especially with the defense with a serviceable Skjei, Mcilrath and Graves and a whole lot of crickets behind it right now. Day?

E


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:45 am EST

Yes, I'll be live drafting, but I'll be somewhere over the Midwest when it happens flying back home so there is a chance I may be off and on. This has happened before to me so if suddenly I'm autodrafting you'll know my connection was interrupted.

E


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:37 am EST

E: Yes, that's the other side of it: What happens when Trouba doesn't like something about his new team? Put on a pout, stamp his feet and demand a trade? Pass!

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:35 am EST

TD: No way would I trade next year's first and second. Five consecutive years without a first rounder? Not gonna happen - I guarantee it!

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:21 am EST

Incidentally, the RFC Fantasy League live draft is this afternoon at 1 p.m. this afternoon, for anyone who didn't get the blanket email.

tdchi


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:20 am EST

The Trouba thing will probably go down similar to the Drouin play. I don't think Yzerman wanted to trade Drouin. I don't think he felt pressed to trade him (RFA.) I don't think he wanted to start a holdout culture with RFAs where they begin to use their limited power to get themselves moved somewhere else. And if they are highly touted and get traded somewhere they don't like? Is that team gonna have to deal with some punk who only plays when he gets what he wants or sits in the corner with his arms folded with a pouty face? So, Trouba may sit half a season, maybe a full season but if I'm the Jets I probably should just sit on my hands and tell Trouba to pound rocks. And see me when you're ready to play. Until that time the rest of the will salivate the thought of stealing a blue chip mobile defenseman with size, and physical play.

E


Sun Sep 25 2016 9:19 am EST

Strike while the iron is hot. SKJEI: Expendable with GRAVES in the system. Or if the Jets want GRAVES, even easier. Upcoming draft supposedly isn't very deep...especially in the first round. Give them our first rounder...then whatever else gets the deal done. The Jets aren't going to want a forward. They're beyond deep up front. Could probably make the deal work with a second rounder thrown in. Or maybe see if they'd want KLEIN...I sound like a broken record here, but TROUBA is EXACTLY what this team need. The guy is a stud AND he's a right hander. Feeder system compromised? Who gives a toss when you have your organization's needs covered for the next five years? People here bitch and moan about losing YANDLE...Trouba is Yandle, but can play D and...more importantly, shoots the puck. And if the Jets wanted Skjei and Kreider? Done. We've got a plethora of wings. Bottom line, if the Jets are honoring Trouba's trade request, then you have to put in an offer for him. He's the missing piece...A D corps with McDonagh and Trouba would be sick.

tdchi


Sun Sep 25 2016 8:40 am EST

IMO, Gorton did try to do more and wanted to do more but was handcuffed by 2 things: All those NMCs and the fact that those he wanted to move were under-valued on the market. A good start to the season and something may give. I concur with Hospo that the backline is in desperate need of a puck-mover and it's gotta be something Gorton wants to address ASAP.

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 8:18 am EST

AFAIC, even tho Trouba has asked for a trade, the price to acquire him hasn't changed. He'll still cost something like Skeji, Kreider and a pick IMO. That's simply too high for a club with a compromised feeder system and therefore, he won't be coming to NY. OAN, didn't what's his name from the Islanders want a trade to a Canadian western team? If so, it's reasonable to muse about a one for one swap, although it still means the Jets have too many top 4 d-men. If I'm the GM there, he's gonna fetch a legitimate young top 6 forward (re not Kreider who so far in his career is really a top 6/bottom 6 tweener).

RF4L


Sun Sep 25 2016 7:22 am EST

wtf 'building our team together'.....http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/24/gm-jeff-gorton-thinks-rangers-fortunes-can-turn-quickly/#prettyPhoto

stevielegs


Sun Sep 25 2016 7:20 am EST

half pregnant......http://nypost.com/2016/09/24/rangers-gm-why-only-half-a-rebuild-was-best-option/

stevielegs


Sat Sep 24 2016 11:14 pm EST

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/09/24/jets-respond-to-jacob-troubas-trade-request/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:53 pm EST

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2016/09/24/trouba-asks-for-trade-from-jets

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:51 pm EST

Jacob Trouba wants the opportunity to have a bigger role, and he has asked the Jets to trade him as he doesn’t believe he’ll have that opportunity in Winnipeg. ........ http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/jets-jacob-trouba-requests-trade-says-opportunity-not-money-is-the-issue

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 8:52 pm EST

TROUBA requests to be traded ( TD) article is on The Hockey News website

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 4:10 pm EST

Aside from Hank, when's the last time we had a low(er) round draft pick emerge as a potential Hall of Famer? Especially a F that emerged like that? The really good teams seem to have that happen (i.e. Detroit over the years).

Ranger47


Sat Sep 24 2016 3:14 pm EST

MF- Thought about that, maybe but I wouldn't bet on it to be enough.

Ola


Sat Sep 24 2016 3:13 pm EST

MF- Thought about that, maybe but I wouldn't bet on it to be enough.

Ola


Sat Sep 24 2016 1:28 pm EST

OLA: Could it be that we have some of "that" skill you speak of in Vesey, Stromwall, Buchnevich but that they are just unproven with the Rangers on the big team?

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 1:26 pm EST

Regarding our defensive make-up: 1) we still don’t know if Staal & or Girardi have agreed to waive their NMC / NTC’s … 2) I think Holden was brought in to solidify the LHSide and as a possible replacement for Staal & or SKJEI depending upon how the preseason & season unfold (Nick Holden: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/6564) … 3) I think that there is a tendency to quickly dismiss McIlrath based upon the perception that there is a rift between AV & him… McIlrath has rehabbed from a serious knee injury.. Think about just how much wear & tear there is on the knee at these levels & at 6’5”! This guy does NOT lack in the determination or character departments and IMO he’s not giving away his opportunity to crack into this line-up, someone is going to have to take it from him.. This guy stick handles in tight a lot better than he gets credit for, aamof, I bet it’s hard to find an article that even talks about that… Forwards fear his side of the ice, AND, he creates space for himself with the long reach, his first pass and vision are fine. Doughty & or Karlsson he will never be but that’s not his game. He is the straw that stirs the drink for the other players to get their “Mojo Risin” on the ice, and we’ve seen a whole different team attitude when he’s in the line-up…. 4) Injuries: both Staal & Girardi have quite a medical chart & sh_t happens … 5) Expansion draft to consider, are we protecting 7 skaters or 5 forwards & 3 D’men??? (obviously yet to be determined) … 6) The Cap: Staal & Girardi cost $5.7 & $5.5 mill or $11.2mill collectively, odds are that one or both are traded or that Girardi gets bought out before the end of the season….. Lastly: We see that the game is changing speed-wise & where the 3rd line is morphing into a more offensive role. The current spotlight seems to focus on more & more offense from the defense, but it’s still hockey in a contained space, and I think that the pendulum will swing back into placing high value on good positional & physical play by the defensemen, which make it real tough on the oppositions forwards to get back on defense….. all jmon

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 12:58 pm EST

We need more skill. To get it we have to give. I definitely think Gorton should be shopping JT Miller and Chris Kreider around the league. These guys are of course valuable, and have potential to grow, but somehow we just need more talent on the roster. Moving Brass for Zin made us less talented, and we where short at it to start with.

Ola


Sat Sep 24 2016 12:55 pm EST

Circa 1999 https://youtu.be/x3OiwLuBzTk

NV94


Sat Sep 24 2016 12:27 pm EST

Buch knows he might go to Hartford for part of the season after that he might bolt if he's not brought up. I think both sides agreed to that.

stevielegs


Sat Sep 24 2016 12:14 pm EST

Hasn't BUCH stated several times that he wants to play in the NHL? He's made it this far & IMO a detour to Hartford as part of his journey shouldn't be a deterrent. If it is, it will say a lot about his talent or his character..... "LGR"

mf


Sat Sep 24 2016 11:08 am EST

I would be interested in BUCH though..if he would agree to go to hartford rather then back to the KHL when all realize he isn't ready

Hospo


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:51 am EST

TDCHI - Althiugh looking better than lthe last two years, still a pretty uninterersting group in some aspects.....Can't say there is one player on the roster that should be able to help the Rangers this coming year....but...Hopefully, 2017-18....I was kinda interested in jensen but the Rangers signed alot of bottom line crap...Does JENSEN have to pass through waivers to get to the AHL?

Hospo


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:30 am EST

Take a look at the players forecast to start in Hartford: http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=83&status=stats...Seems to me the starting lines...if this IS in fact the roster, would be Stromwall-Nieves-Kovacs, Jensen-Hrivik-Tambellini, Gropp-Fogarty-Oksanen, McRae(former Blues standout and son of Basil)-Brown-Carey, with Joly and Chapie riding pine...and on D, Graves-Clendening, Bodie-Paliotta, Gilmour-Summers, with Donnay, Andersson and Hughes riding pine.

tdchi


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:27 am EST

Hers' my D-----MCD-Klein; Staal-Skeji; Holden-Girardi with Mcilrath fighting Clendenning.for 7th...It's still so obvious the Rangers need a Top 4 puck move unless SKEJI is it or develops into it..Either way, he has to be played like it (Top 4) and the only other top 4 is Staaal....Holden-Girardi or with Mcilrath..may be a good defensive duo...but with ZERO offensive contribs...but at least it would be from the third pair....Staal0Girardi and their sero offense woud be a 2nd pair---No thanks

Hospo


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:23 am EST

VIC - Exactly my thoughts on the defense, including the possible trading of Mcilrath..Have been sayng all that for months......E - I disagree, With the state of the Rangers and their total lack of puck movers, SKEJI IS A LOCK.....GENECARR - For a kid with FOUR YEARS at UM NEVES had better had dominted a bunch of ECHL readyPL ayers at a rag tag tournaemt... .His level of discipline, responsibility, and smarts were obviously uch higher., as they shiuld be...Good start for the kid and it looks like he and they know he has to be a bottom SIX player in the NHL...Smart decision...Niw give him the time (months? a year?) in Hartford to grow into one

Hospo


Sat Sep 24 2016 10:20 am EST

I think the Rangers will start with a HOLDEN-SKJEI pairing and McILRATH as the seventh D...but I also think a couple bad games with the aforementioned pairing, and Mac will be right back in on the right side. Something that doesn't get mentioned here is that there's a new sheriff in town on the bench, and that's Jeff BEUKEBOOM, who will be running the D corps. There are going to be some changes at D for sure and one guy Beuk knows VERY well is McIlrath. He leaned on Mac pretty goddamn hard in Hartford, so he knows exactly what he's got in him. Ditto with SKJEI, who played almost exclusively on the left side when he was with the Pack. Holden is the unknown in the mix...I can say I don't expect Skjei to sit very many games...in fact, I expect him to play the full season...and I do see him as a lock...I can't imagine a circumstance where he's either the seventh defender or in Hartford. It'd take an almost epic failure...and seeing as though he spent the summer busting his ass with McDONAGH and STEPAN...I doubt you'll see that...as for the chump change...CLENDENING is basically penciled in at Hartford. He'll have to have one hell of a camp to justify not getting sent there...and ditto goes for BODIE, a player I very much like, but who simple isn't in the cards for the Rangers right now...they wouldn't have signed Holden --and conversely, Holden wouldn't have signed --if they expected either of those guys to be in the starting lineup...ANDERSSON, after seeing him at TC, is at least another year away...he didn't have a bad tourney and Gernander relying on him pretty heavily in all four games...he and DAY were pretty much on the ice for more time than any other defender...but he's a project...anyway...Rangers are fully aware of the situation they're facing with McIlrath...and that if they don't get him ice, he'll be on Las Vegas or another club come the summer. I think we'll see Mac break in and solidify himself in the lineup at some point this season...and I think those chances increased exponentially when Beuk came aboard. He's a very similar player as Beuk was...and if there was ever a guy to mentor him, it's Beuk.

tdchi


Sat Sep 24 2016 9:47 am EST

On another note, nice to read Nash, G and Staal admitting they each need to play better this year. I mean that's stating the obvious, but it's a start. Talk is cheap however, so the real measuring stick will soon be out for all to see. I am hoping a return to form for all 3 serves to up their market value significantly. I gotta think if Nash is able to score 40 goals, he'll be a hot commodity next summer with just a year left on his deal.

RF4L


Sat Sep 24 2016 9:45 am EST

Gawd, the McI/AV thing continues to make my stomach turn at the thought of AV pounding the final stake into the heart of McI's rather tumultuous Ranger career. I al clinging to the hope that AV goes before McI but certainly I'm not holding my breath on that. If I recall accurately, McI will be an UFA next summer if he plays less than 42 games this year. If that's how it plays out, I hope he signs with the Islanders and then wrecks havoc in MSG for the next decade.

RF4L


Sat Sep 24 2016 9:36 am EST

82-games plus playoffs is a lot to ask of a kid like Skjei. I don't consider Skjei a lock. Personally, I think he's the best defensive prospect that the New York Rangers drafted since maybe Staal. But I just hear lock-rhetoric when it comes to Skjei and we will have to see what he'll be in the short term. As for McIlrath, I just don't see the tremendous upside. I do think he is a solid 5-7 defensive prospect or player. But I just don't see where the New York Rangers fortunes rise and fall with him. I'd like to see him be more impactful and I do think we are near the end of the road with the guy. He's either going to be in the lineup or they're gonna dump him as part of the "retool" that they are going thru. Either way it's really gonna force his way into the lineup or he's headed for a chance somewhere else.

E


Sat Sep 24 2016 8:22 am EST

HOSPO: Ever since we saw AV put SKJEI on the right side down the stretch and into the playoffs I've held the belief that the Rangers are seriously considering playing him there this year. If AV tried it for a game or two and said "No, this isn't going to work" that would have been one thing. But he didn't. He praised SKJEI's play on the right side and stuck with him there in the playoffs. And considering what the Rangers have in camp and in the system I think it makes even more sense going into this year. The Rangers have very little to no offensive,puck moving capability on the right side if SKJEI doesn't move over. By contrast they are much stronger on the left side. They already have McDONAGH there, plus STAAL. I think HOLDEN.gets the final starting spot on the left side. I expect the Rangers to carry a 7th D and at this point my guess is that it will be one of either BODIE, CLENDENING or ANDERSON. That is why I picked McILRATH as the guy who will be traded first in that poll question. I just don't think he is the kind of player that AV wants. It is a shame because I would really like to see what he could have done if he were given a real chance. He played really well with YANDLE in that long stretch before Christmas last year.

Vic


Sat Sep 24 2016 8:14 am EST

gene - as far as TC prospects went, I'd say NIEVES was either a close second or third among the Ranger kids. He has an incredible showing. Like VESEY, was noticeable every shift...but...in the first period if the last game, got injured. And I think on GROPP, you're right: there is no need for skepticism yet. If he bombs in Hartford and ends up in Greenviille, that's the time to ring the alarm...but I really don't suspect that will happen. In fact, I suspect he'll end up in a top-six position. In Hartford...maybe even with NIEVES...on a tangent, having those two big boys up front would be one heck of a line with TAMBELLINI on the flank...I do agree some what with RF4L that I wouldn't expect him to put up big numbers...but I don't think he'll have a bad year. Kid has the wheels, the size and the shot to play pro hockey. This isn't Michael ST. CROIX.

tdchi


Sat Sep 24 2016 7:36 am EST

gene: For me, there;s more focus on Gropp because he apparently was so highly thought of, Gorther coughed up Hagelin (and another 2nd rounder) for the ability to draft him. Given that, it would have been nice to see 1) a breakout final year of junior offensively and 2) something better than what was a lousy TCT showing. That said, you make a valid point and yes, it's way too early to write this kid off.

RF4L


Sat Sep 24 2016 7:15 am EST

td/RF4L:There has been lots of buzz about Neives at the TCT this year and from what little I got to see, it was merited. But, if you recall his first notice at a comparable age to Gropp, the reviews seem comparable to me. Agreed. We need another two or more years to see what his potential is.

gene_carr


Sat Sep 24 2016 3:39 am EST

“I can’t speak for (others) but I know for me, as I get to the tail-end of my career, and you see these young guys come in with high expectations, you just know you have to prove yourself,” Nash said. “Especially after the year I had last year, I’m here at camp to show that I belong on this team. “For me I truly feel that way. You look at the numbers and we have so many forwards and you know that there’s going to be big moves that are going to be made. For me, I want to be a Ranger, I want to be in New York, so that’s all I’m worried about.” Coming off a season in which he scored just 15 goals in 60 games, and missed seven weeks with a broken leg, Nash said, “I don’t think it was a very good season for myself personally. I’m looking at this as a fresh start and a chance to prove myself. We’ve got a lot of young talent in camp and guys are fighting for a job and I don’t consider my job safe at all.” … - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/23/girardi-staal-have-a-lot-to-prove-nash-my-jobs-not-safe-at-all/#sthash.b4r4pDwH.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Sep 23 2016 9:37 pm EST

SCHNEIDW -Mcilrath sure has a tough road ahead of him...I'm betting to keep Staal in the top 4--which AV refers to Staal as a 4th D-man--SKEJI will likely have to slide over to the right....And with Klein and Girardi already there, almost near impossible for Mcilrath wo win a starting spot.....&th might be the best he can hope for...And like last year, I'm afraid of that spot vs Clendenning (the Diaz of this year).........Now, if SKEJI stays on the LHS, Mcilrath has a shot at top 6 on the RHS....Just don't see it

Hospo


Fri Sep 23 2016 9:14 pm EST

McIrath: based on Veeno's quotes today.. sounds like Dylan is done with the NYRs./.. hardly a ringing endorsement....

schneidw


Fri Sep 23 2016 8:02 pm EST

TDCHI - If they indeed picked TORTS first then picked players that would ft his style (or Torts himslef picked the players) then I am wrong and I'll agree with you that Torts deserves big time blame for what transpired......But....the biggest blame still goes to upper management for picking Torts, deciding his style was the way to beat Canada, and allowing his inut on the roster composition.......You would think the leaders of the the US national team would have en..Enough hockey knowledge and experience to now how to put the best team together.....including the coach..they obviously didn't........But who the eff cares, means very little to me...just hope somebody beats Canada....and on to New York Ranger Hockey!!!..

Hospo


Fri Sep 23 2016 5:59 pm EST

The other goalie from Halverson's junior team was at the TCT and is at Ranger camp.

Bob


Fri Sep 23 2016 5:53 pm EST

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

stevielegs


Fri Sep 23 2016 4:58 pm EST

TD: I trust your comment about calling Gropp a bust wasn't directed at me because when I commented on his underwhelming showing at the TCT I made sure I included something about not writing him off. That would silly given his age and lofty draft position. For me last year's numbers weren't overwhelming and that caught my eye as a possible concern (and remember, he played on a fine team with a top end center so it wasn't as if he was alone offensively). Now this TCT showing sorta fits in with that. You mention your concern about the validity of Halverson being a legitimate prospect now - well guess what? He did not take the next step last year as top players usually do in their final year in junior. I expressed concern about that and basically got the same reaction I'm getting with my Gropp thoughts. Halverson was horrid in the TCT, which while disappointing, wasn't surprising at all. It's funny in that sometimes in here one cannot say anything remotely negative about perceived prized prospects. That reallity is, however, than the large majority don't make it, especially when you get past the first round, something Sather's stupid deals only made worse for this organization. Clarification: I"m not writing Halverson off yet, either.

RF4L


Fri Sep 23 2016 4:50 pm EST

And just it's clear, I am not writing Gropp off but I won't be surprised if doesn't accomplish much offensively this year.

RF4L


Fri Sep 23 2016 4:47 pm EST

andrei: With all due respect, who expected Gropp to compete like Vesey? On the other hand, who expected Day, an 18 year old, to compete like Gropp, a 20 year old? Well guess what, the 18 year old had a superior showing in what is arguably a tougher position to play. Colour it as you please but IMO, Gropp's display was disappointing and I'll bet the Ranger brass aren't brushing it off with that sort of logic.

RF4L


Fri Sep 23 2016 4:08 pm EST

This would have been my Team USA. And yeah, I know, some of these guys are on Team Not Applicable. But screw them They could suck my sloppy seconds. - Forward lines: Patrick Kane-Jack Eichel-Bobby Ryan, Zach Parise-Derek Stepan-T.J. Oshie, Brandon Saad-Paul Stastny-Phil Kessel, Dylan Larkin-Auston Matthews-Johnny Gaudreau, Bench: Alex Galchenyuk, James van Riemsdyk, Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller, and Vincent Trocheck Defense: Ryan Suter-Kevin Shattenkirk, Ryan McDonagh-Dustin Byfuglien, Shayne Gostisbehere-Jacob Trouba, Bench: Cam Fowler, Seth Jones Goal: Jonathan Quick, Ben Bishop, Jim Howard

tdchi


Fri Sep 23 2016 3:34 pm EST

not to shake hands after the game tells most of it....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 23 2016 3:29 pm EST

Well they were the clowns that hired Torts...

tdchi


Fri Sep 23 2016 3:06 pm EST

Torts is a meathead, but the blame for this fiasco rests on the shoulders of Dean Lombardi and Brian Burke. The same Dean Lombardi who traded for Milan Lucic in LA, and the same Brian Burke who has not been involved with a playoff team since 2007.

Bob


Fri Sep 23 2016 2:41 pm EST

Hospo - Wrong, wrong and wrong again. Torts was named in September 2015. Roster was announced in May 2016. You name the coach, he advises on the players. Would be silly to name the players and then assign a coach who has a system that won't utilize their strengths. I don't know how it could be any more clear that Team USA was one that, at BARE MINIMUM, was heavily, heavily influenced by Torts. What you're saying is akin to looking at a body with five bullet holes in it on the ground and asking for forensics when there a twitching guy in the adjacent corner with a still-smoking six shooter in his hands with one bullet left in the chamber...Blame who you want, but from every angle you look at this team it has Torts fingerprints all over it. The guy is a bum. USA screwed the pooch thinking he can to squat. And yeah, I'm pretty vociferous about my disdain for this puke because I have a fairly good idea the Rangers would have a cup by now if it wasn't for his ridiculous style of coaching...Let me also remind you the US wasn't too far away from beating the Canadians six short years ago in Vancouver...US program is plenty strong...perhaps stronger than its ever been...but when you have boobs like Tortorella calling the shots, the outcome is very predictable. I took one look at the US roster and knew they weren't gonna do shit. Surprised they sucked as bad as they did. Surprised with how classless they were. But that's it. Not surprised at all they sucked goat cock.

tdchi


Fri Sep 23 2016 1:33 pm EST

TDCHI - I think you take your hatred for TORTS way too far...Honestly, I don't think you or I know to which degree the roster composition was influenced by Torts ...but......IN most programs, it is the higher ups tht make the call on the rosters and THEN select the best coach for that team...ANd if that wasn't the case, the higher up still deserve the total blame for letting a coach decide (which I don't think was the case) which players to take..;..Also with this dumb-shit NA squad crap, who the hell were the US supposed to add for speed and talent....yeah, maybe Kessel but..a recovering Tyler Johnson?, Kevin Shattenkirk? Cam Fowle? Keith Yandle? they were gonna most likely lose o Canada if they tried to go step for step unless goaltending and chemistry coukd lead them...Instead of HOPING for that, they tried to beat them with Brawn and size....Obviously a mistake......but the Mistake of the leaders of the US Hockey Program, not Tortorella

Hospo


Fri Sep 23 2016 1:18 pm EST

I've been lurking lately, and just want to wish all my old buddies well! Let's get ready for some NYR hockey.

BONGO


Fri Sep 23 2016 12:33 pm EST

Bob - That's what you get when you have two dinosaurs like LOMBARDI and TORTORELLA calling the shots. And I'll even give Lombardi a bit of a pass...the Team USA roster had Torts' fingerprints all over it. No idea why or how he got that position.

tdchi


Fri Sep 23 2016 12:31 pm EST

andrei – Very good point. I forgot GROPP is basically on the cusp of even being allowed to play in the AHL…Don’t get me wrong: I totally agree the guy shouldn’t be bashed because of his TC performance..I’m definitely in the ‘glass-half-full’ thinking here. He’s got size, speed and a shot. And he’s stepping into TC from a weaker Junior league(WHL)…there’s gonna be an adjustment with him…and when he was drafted, the first thing out of all the scouts’/pundits’ mouths was ‘he’s a project.’ We’re looking at a full season in Hartford or maybe two. The guy is a solid prospect no doubt. Definitely in a category with a guy like, say TAMBELLINI.,,thing is, those types of guys are getting outshined now by VESEY, BUCH, KOVACS, STROMWELL and NIEVES, who are all players that played at level that is much superior to the WHL…even the NCAA…kind of a tangent, but I remember Tambellini was basically a fourth liner on North Dakota his freshman year…he left school and went on to be a firstliner with the Calgary Hitman that season…so I think it’s good to look at things in scale…Rangers said they targeted him in specific and that he was the piece that completed the HAGELIN deal...Calling him a bust after a non-descript(I wouldn’t even use the term lack-luster) TC tourney is jumping the gun…Even with HALVERSIEVE I think it’s a bit early to call him a bust…but in his case there’s a whole lot more smoke that seems to indicate there could be a fire…and I suspect he starts in Greenville…maybe even plays the season there…Gropp? He’ll have 82 games in Hartford to show us what he’s got.

tdchi


Fri Sep 23 2016 12:29 pm EST

The degree of fail on the part of USA Hockey is off the charts. These clowns continue to defend their 1980's approach to the roster in spite of the fact that they they shat the bed. They humiliate guys publicly (Brian Burke commenting on Bobby Ryan and Phil Kessel), then get butthurt when these guys comment on their failure. USA Hockey looks bush league for the entire world to see. After watching Pittsburgh win the cup with fast guys, USA Hockey goes to the WCH with 3 sets of third line checkers. Here's hoping the next WCH prevents players who have played for North America from playing for them again. Then the USA will have some new, higher level talent to play for them.

Bob


Fri Sep 23 2016 12:02 pm EST

tdchi, to your point about Gropp. He just turned 20 few days back. Coming from WHL, no one should have really expected him to play at the same level as 23 year old Jimmy Vesey. Hard to compete with more experienced older players.

andrei


Fri Sep 23 2016 11:28 am EST

Newfie, Shows you how much those guys cared about this money grab of a farce.

NYStranger


Fri Sep 23 2016 11:20 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/flames-smid-slated-to-miss-entire-season-with-lingering-neck-injury .... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/concussions-symptoms-will-keep-islanders-grabovski-out-for-camp-possibly-season .... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/red-wings-jurco-out-until-november-but-says-recovery-from-back-injury-offers-fresh-start

mf


Fri Sep 23 2016 10:41 am EST

(Yesterday's NY Post) http://nypost.com/2016/09/22/alain-vigneault-has-high-hopes-for-rangers-2-new-youngsters/

mf


Fri Sep 23 2016 7:04 am EST

So much for a show of sportsmanship at an International Tourn.............it was the final game for both the US and the Czechs and they couldn't muster up enough class to shake hands after the game. I always thought that is what seperates Hockey from the other major sports. Think about it, neither NBA,MLB or the NFL shake hands after a series is over ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Sep 23 2016 6:50 am EST

KIS haven't been around much popped in and read about PA tell him hang in there I know what he's feeling and my thoughts are with him sucks and it feels like nothing will ever get better.

York18


Fri Sep 23 2016 4:13 am EST

Who set up the worlds to conflict with the beginning of camp? And why was it agreed to? Typical Buttman....?.....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 22 2016 11:40 pm EST

RF4L - You are correct in that GROPP didn't stand out at all...pretty much just blended in with the landscape...but there's a couple different ways to look at that...first is the glass-half-full way, which is that he didn't stand out like HALVERSIEVE, who was just awful...and who didn't exactly impress on his way out of juniors either...Gropp didn't look overwhelmed or outmatched...he just didn't stand out in either a bad or good way...and for the most part, he played bottom line minutes...by virtue that he's a wing and player just coming out of juniors(as opposed to the NCAA, SHL or KHL), there was no real chance he was gonna get a top-line billing...and among the bottom six, he wasn't bad...RONNING was the best among that group, probably followed by FOGARTY...but Gropp held his own, IMO...He's going to have a lot of competition in Hartford and will likely start in a bottom six role...but at least in Hartford and not Greenville...Also, there's the notion that a bad TC tourney doesn't exactly portend bad things...and then there's the glass-is-half-empty approach, which is that this was his second TC tourney, he's a big-bodied power forward going into his first professional year of hockey and did little to impress anyone, much less his soon-to-be coach, GERNANDER...and that a kid like Ronning, who had three less goals than him in the WHL, looked a whole hell of a lot more complete...Still too earlier to tell with him...we'll see what happens when he pulls into Hartford...but, while I won't say the TC tourney won him any points, I don't think he fell out of favor.

tdchi


Thu Sep 22 2016 10:29 pm EST

BTW, Bobo has been outstanding so far - he alone Canada should be worried about.

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 10:28 pm EST

Hospo: Oh, ok. I sorta get that but there's so much talent on the Russian team, especially up front, that it would be foolish IMO to just write them off. They could very well knock off Canada tomorrow - it's a one game show-down. Do I expect that to happen? No, but I'm not at all gleefully anticipating a Canadian victory.

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 10:25 pm EST

BTW, lost in the attention Vesey deservedly got, plus the 2 Swedes and a few others was the poor showing by Ryan Gropp, who Gorther allegedly wanted so badly he coughed up Hagelin and a lower 2nd round pick. I was skeptical of this fact when that trade went down and Gropp did little last year (his final year of junior) to make me change my mind. His lousy showing in this TCT is only adding to my skepticism. I sure hope (and will be happy to admit it) I'm wrong but my oh my that trade is shaping up to be a fleecing.

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 10:11 pm EST

RF4L _ From what I heard/watched (mostly the NHL network) and read on the net, the Russianns and their "heartless" crew didn't have a chance..Then again, they mostly wanted Canada, USA and Team make it...NA..Too bad all three didn't..but CANADA was just too good//

Hospo


Thu Sep 22 2016 8:30 pm EST

Hospo: Russia, Sweden, Canada and team Euro in the final 4 - yeah, team Euro was hugely disrespected but who else??

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 6:58 pm EST

Hospo this coach better figure out he doesn't have many more kicks at the can like he told pirri.... talk is cheap .... I have a hard time believing him and having faith in him... he's a blamer ...

stevielegs


Thu Sep 22 2016 5:15 pm EST

First training camp story..https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-alain-vigneault-said-on-the-first-day-of-training-camp/202794668..Nothing new but still interesting...

Hospo


Thu Sep 22 2016 5:02 pm EST

Love that two teams given little chance and bad mouthed before the tournament made it to the Final 4...So glad Russia won and knocked the ridiculous NA squad out....Rooting for a never before and never after "rag tag" Team Europe to pull a shocker...Doubt it, but you never know

Hospo


Thu Sep 22 2016 2:36 pm EST

Only hours left to get in on the Texas Pick'em. Lots of regulars here still haven't gotten their picks in. Don't be left out in the cold! Get those picks in!

Vic


Thu Sep 22 2016 2:04 pm EST

Exactly KIS. It's pure hockey free of the emotional story side of the game. It's incredible talents showcasing their skills in contests that mean something. It just isn't producing something more visceral. I really enjoy watching it and as a fan of the game I just love watching the talent on display. Some of these teams are so stacked that you'd be facing 4-first lines and they would buzzsaw their way to a Stanley Cup. They are that good. Just got me ooing and ahhing but can't find that ole, "fux those ass-hats" element. And it's so important to me in hockey. So bring on the NJD and let's make hockey great again.

E


Thu Sep 22 2016 1:33 pm EST

KIS - Sorry to hear that about Pa..Tell him the Wall os with him and that he can come on any time and blast me for being a youth-hating old bastard!

Hospo


Thu Sep 22 2016 12:38 pm EST

KIS: Re watching the world cup hockey - yes, exactly. Regarding pa-ranger - that sucks. We wish him well and hopefully, time will ease the wounds.

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 12:27 pm EST

Hospo, parangerfan is going through a really tough time right now. He and the soon ex wife separated about two months ago and they are in the middle of what is. Becoming a nasty divorce. Wish the man well. He is in bad shape. He is extremely upset and he is a very sad person right now

KIS


Thu Sep 22 2016 12:23 pm EST

I understand hockey fans like to root for a team and like the emotional side of the game. It why not just appreciate the beauty of the skill of some of the guys and some of the great hockey being played. I'm loving some of the speed and skill being shown at this tourney

KIS


Thu Sep 22 2016 12:23 pm EST

E - Yep. no team to hate......I just root for the underdog and the teams the media and NHL Network/TSN aren't fawning over.....So, yep, rooting and watching for Canada and North America to lose whatever game they play..But. means nothing....It's more important if Girardo or Mcilrath or Holden or Clendenning is your 6th D-man!!!! :)

Hospo


Thu Sep 22 2016 12:09 pm EST

I think this tourney has been filled with some very good and yet some very early season out of sync hockey. You do have a lot of high end skill players who are going to be close to game ready-mid season form (if they aren't already.) it's been an enjoyable exhibition of hockey. Problem that I have in it is that I literally hate no team in it. It lacks the nationalism of the olympics. Its good stuff but no one has done much to get me out of my seat with vitriol one way or another. And I believe hockey (especially playoff hockey) is more then just a score at the end. It's built up animosity. Heroes and villains. No team gave me a reason to hate them. They're all pretty friggin' skilled and as a fan of the game it's shifted more towards an all star game except the players really want to win. And so they're going for it. But then I see Eichel and McDavid playing and I really like both players. And even Canada. I hate Crosby, Giroux, and Marchand. But I really like Duchene, Teows, Seguin, Thornton, Burns, Vlasic, and Logan. It's half the team. There is no one I hate on Team Europe. Sweden? Finland? Where are the villains? I like half of these teams for various players. That's the main problem with the tournament. No one has been able to bring out any passion in me. I appreciate the skill and the players but I just want to have something, anything to grasp on to. No one has to remind any of us when the Isles are in town. It conjures up all kinds of stuff from the rivalry. It's like trying to get the New York Rangers fans to get all full of vitriol in preparation for a series filled with bad blood against Arizona.

E


Thu Sep 22 2016 10:24 am EST

I don't know. Without having the Soviet Union as the bad guys to root against these international competitions don't have the same meaning or gravity. Count me as one with very little interest in this world cup. Just get the NHL season started!

NYStranger


Thu Sep 22 2016 10:18 am EST

OLA - too funny..I saw your posts over at HF the other day on the Buch-Gernander subject...Glad they were there and not here, somebody would have started a war..:)....Used to post at HF (dif name) but stoped quite a long time ago....Can't stand the threaded style....Also way to many know it all arseholes (KIAA).....OF course, we have our own KIAA but rather post with the KIAA you know then the KIAA you don't..:)......Speaking of that, Pa.rangers, York, CHINSTRAP and Nick haven't been around for awhile.. Just kidding guys...

Hospo


Thu Sep 22 2016 9:25 am EST

YES! The Wall back up and running! Thank you, ADMIN!!

JFC31


Thu Sep 22 2016 8:45 am EST

Joe Raaymaker has an invite to the Rangers camp. Of course, I've no idea if that was the original plan or his play in the TCT got him that. I'm not sure, either, if the Rangers have signed him. Based on his play vs Halversieve, however, Gorther is probably wishing he could swap those signings!!

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 8:21 am EST

Ola: Agreed on the NA team and I don't what I'd rather see more - Russia or the NA team playing Canada. The former because there's so much history between these 2 nations and latter because I simply wanna see that NA team again. The speed and skill is ridiculous. I am predicting, however, a Sweden/Canada 3 game final. FWIW, I think it's stupid to have a 3 game round robin and a 3 game final but a 1 game semi-final. Too bad we can't see a 3 game Canada/NA final!

RF4L


Thu Sep 22 2016 7:48 am EST

Update on this year's Texas Pick'em game. As of this morning we have 21 folks in the pool with picks in. Camp officially opens today with player physicals, and on ice practices start tomorrow. As a result I will be closing the survey at Midnight Eastern Time tonight. So, if you haven't gotten your picks in yet you have the rest of today and this evening to do so. If you want to change any picks you have the rest of today and this evening to do so. Remember all posters and lurkers are welcome to participate and that this is "contest" is just for fun. The link to register and submit your picks is: (http://rfccjc.com/survey/index.php/695154?lang=en).........Don't forget you should register your name as your Wall name otherwise I won't know who you are when we post the results. Use the First Name field only. You can ignore the last name.....For more details about how all of this works you can refer to my post on Wed Sep 7 2016 1:03 pm EST. Just search in your browser for that date and time and it will take you right to that post. If you have any questions or problems getting your picks in today you can email me at admin@rfccjc.com.

Vic


Thu Sep 22 2016 6:53 am EST

I still can't believe that Despo agreed on an undertaking in his prenup to never visit this place again...

Ola


Thu Sep 22 2016 6:52 am EST

svanberg1@hotmail.com I am at hfboards too, I think many of us are but I have never managed to identify anyone else not using the same nick (well RangerMan/RangerBoy maybe if he counts). I know you can reach hospo at larry.brooks@nypost.com (hehe j/k). I recommend that nobody contacts Despo because if his wife finds out he is in trouble, if any contact with him is to be made serious clandestine methods must be used.

Ola


Thu Sep 22 2016 5:59 am EST

I hope NA wins it....but i'm surprised buttman didn't get any from below the USA on the team, nor a south america or central america team ...guess he's saving that for his next expansion league...eventually he can rule the hockey world.....dr hockey.....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 22 2016 5:49 am EST

if Vic collects everyone's emails , then he can contact people if this place disappears. which doesn't look likely, and hopefully the admin would announce it beforehand. ....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 22 2016 4:07 am EST

RF4L- What a effin nightmare to play against that NAT team. It -- is -- the fastest hockey team ever, not even up for debate. Vic Hedman has a serious Charlie horse after Komarovs cheap shot, and couldn't move that well. These guys will dream nightmares of playing those kids lol. Don't know what I want more, Canada to play Russia or NAT in the semis. For me this is purely a matter of which team has the best chance to beat Canada haha. ;)

Ola


Thu Sep 22 2016 2:38 am EST

Glad this place is still online. Haven't been around for a while, but would really miss it if it was gone forever. Still remember that this site was one of the ones I visited when I went online for the first time in September 1996 ...

GermanBlueshirt


Wed Sep 21 2016 9:35 pm EST

VT Ranger, yes. Ive been reading and posting on this wall for over 20 some odd years. I would hate to lose track of you guys. Maybe one of us can create a FACEBOOK page called RFC alumni. This way well know where to go should this place crash. Of course the problem with that is the lack of annonomynity. (?sp). it's a thought though.

WIOSA


Wed Sep 21 2016 8:29 pm EST

BTW, Leon Draisatl is a stud (or one in the making). He and McDavid are going to be hell on the NHL for the next decade. There's no room in Edmonton for RNH who looks to me to be a superior Derek Stepan (and what makes him superior is he's got more offensive skill but is equally defensively adept). Gorton should be inquiring for sure. Imagine him and Z??

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 8:14 pm EST

Wild: Ahh...first, yes I do. I can want what I want. Second, I suspect if he was acquired, you'd soon enough be defending all he does because he'd be a Ranger. Third, your view clearly isn't one of many individuals with a tad more knowledge about these things than you - he's a regular on the Canada team for crying out loud. I mean if he was all those negative things you so vigorously and continually accuse him of there is absolutely no way he'd even get an invite for this team, let alone be in the starting lineup. You do seem to know the game and the players - not sure why you have such a passionate dislike of this player.

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:59 pm EST

RF4L: I have said it over and over and over. You do NOT want the Rangers to go after Duchene! He is a TERRIBLE hockey player. I can say that because Hockey is more than when you have the puck...he refuses to even listen to members of the coaching staff when they try to show him what he does wrong. That is NOT the kind of player we should want on the Rangers. He is not a good pro, not a good teammate, not a team player, not a hard worker. He is only happy when he is getting points, and has no desire to stop the other team from scoring.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:55 pm EST

BTW, before the Canada/US game yesterday, when the 2 anthems were played, the crowd sang along with the US anthem. So my friends south of the border, please remember that when some idiot nobs boo your anthem at other venues in the future.

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:49 pm EST

TD: You just said it - good hockey. Yeah, I get not being vested because you have no favourite team but let me say this: Obviously, I want Canada to win but guess who I'd rather watch? The NA team. I have no vested interest in them winning given that but because the team is made up of kids from both the US and Canada coupled with the fact they are exciting, it's been great hockey to watch. You, I think, are a hockey fan first - trust me when I say you've missed watching some amazing hockey. Unless, of course, you prefer Gary Buttman's/NHLPA's version of amazing hockey, which is fine - to each his/her own.

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:44 pm EST

If Matt Duchense is still available, Gorton needs to pursue him big-time...

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:31 pm EST

RF4L - speaking for myself, I'm not angry about the WC at all...just I can't think of a reason or motivation to watch it. Good hockey I suppose. But I'm just not into any of these teams...whole series for me is like a cross between the All Star game and the cup finals with the Pens poised to win. Bleh.

tdchi


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:18 pm EST

stevie: That OT was something else, eh?

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 7:09 pm EST

TD: I agree that the US development program is getting stronger. STEVIE: I actually started development on a "replacement" for The Wall last year after we had an outage of a few days. It is pretty much done with a few tweaks needed. I am going to finish that off and just have it ready should it ever be needed. I hope we never have to use it but if this site were to go away in the future I will volunteer to carry it on. Some of us have been here for 20 years or more. I appreciate everything that Kara and our current benefactor have done and I hope we have another 20+ years here in the future......if I don't drop dead first of course.....

Vic


Wed Sep 21 2016 5:10 pm EST

rf4l i caught the end of the 3rd and ot.....he made a save on mcdavid that had him looking into a daydream/nightmare on the bench ....

stevielegs


Wed Sep 21 2016 5:02 pm EST

The King BTW stopped 21 shots in the 2nd period alone and I'd argue half them were difficult. When he's on, he's a pleasure to watch. A combination of unbelievable positioning, reflexes and puck tracking.

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 5:00 pm EST

For those worried that the King has lost it, he hasn't. He was fabulous against the NA team, making at least 1/2 dozen vintage King Henrik saves. What a tremendous hockey game and an even better 3 on 3 OT (which the NA team on a series of ridiculous moves by Nate MacKinnon, who the King had stoned twice during regulation). I'm telling you guys who are too angry about the set-up to watch it, you're missing what might be the best hockey of the upcoming season.

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 4:52 pm EST

Hank looking like the King

stevielegs


Wed Sep 21 2016 4:43 pm EST

Vic you might have to turn your site into a wall ... or everyone to Moof's house !

stevielegs


Wed Sep 21 2016 4:33 pm EST

JT MIller playing for the NA team today. 4th line checker...

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 3:20 pm EST

Vic – Not sure of you can take anything away from this ill-fated series outside of Lombardi and/or whoever chose that team shouldn’t be in hockey and Tortorella is just a bad, ignorant coach…read somewhere that team was selected largely to shut down Canada…well…that didn’t turn out well...I expected them to do better than they did…but not by much…and truth is, any true national team from this country should have EICHEL and MATTHEWS on its roster, plus a whole host of others who got stuffed onto Team Not Applicable. Joke of a tournament. Doesn’t mean squat for US hockey, which is probably stronger than it has ever been before.

tdchi


Wed Sep 21 2016 3:10 pm EST

Not sure if anyone watched last night’s third-place game for our TC boys…Jimmy VESEY=BEAST. The kid had a goal last night that looked Kreider-esque, except that he 1. Didn’t crash into the goalie; and 2. Scored instead of winging it wide or right at the tender. Got the puck, carved up the boards, beat the backchecking forward, who he caught on his heels and went around the defenseman like a pylon…then roofed a nice backhand top-shelf. …possibly top six material now. There was a reason so many teams were after him and it’s because he’s the real deal...He dominated that tournament and ended up tied with the most points, was first in goals and first in shots on net. Teams simply didn’t have an answer for him. Best player I saw in the tourney…by far…HALVERSIEVE=waste of a draftpick…the best I can say about him is that he’s good moving the puck…sort of like a third defenseman…but along those lines, he’s essentially like what it would be to play with a third defenseman and no goalie. Just soft goals abound…think NIEVES was injured…didn’t see much of him after the first and FOGARTY took his place on first line…Sean DAY was another who put on a display…I don’t think this kid will ever be mistaken for a defensive defenseman…but he’s got a nice shot…ripper in the first was good…second goal looked soft on the Jackets’ tender. But he played a real strong game. Was impressive…GILMOUR is another I like. He’ll be on the Pack’s D for sure…not sure what his ceiling is though or whether he can make the NHL…but very mobile…sort of a hybrid defender that teams really like these days…RONNING, though held scoreless in the tourney, is like an energizer bunny. The kid never stops hustling. I’m really surprised he dropped as far as he did in the draft…all-in-all, a lot of bright spots landing in Hartford in a few weeks.

tdchi


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:53 pm EST

3 or 4 breakaways in the 1st period alone for NA team - the King getting ton notch training for the Rangers! LOL...

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:48 pm EST

NA/Sweden game is entertaining, to no surprise.

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:39 pm EST

Well done MF! Let the flame wars begin.

VtRanger


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:23 pm EST

Like Yorks house?

mf


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:20 pm EST

Perhaps we should have an RFC digital disaster recovery plan? A pre-determined place to gather in case the RFC lights ever go out for good without notice.

VtRanger


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:19 pm EST

Wow team NA is amazing. So fast

KIS


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:03 pm EST

Okay so while I'm being stupid who is keeping the site up now?

E


Wed Sep 21 2016 2:01 pm EST

Many thanks to RFC_Admin for bringing the place back to life! Was hoping it was something like a hack and not the end of days for the ol’ Wall...and total agree on the World Cup. Not a second of my attention devoted to it...

tdchi


Wed Sep 21 2016 1:42 pm EST

I wonder if Kara still has that Rangers jersey we bought her. Rangers hockey sucked but this wall was fun!!! When did Kara stop administering the site? Allsports.com/nhl/rangers <-- remember that URL?...Thank you RFC_Admin.

DREW


Wed Sep 21 2016 1:10 pm EST

E - Kara has long since left the building but this place would never b here without her and her years of work!

Hospo


Wed Sep 21 2016 12:33 pm EST

KaraπŸ‘

E


Wed Sep 21 2016 11:59 am EST

Great to see The Wall back up and running! As for the tournament, hopefully this will be a turning point for the US program. Out with the old and in with the new. The US will never have the depth of team Canada but they can certainly shine as bright in terms of superstar talent. There are more and more top players coming from the US. Hopefully that bodes well for the future of US International hockey. I'll continue watching the tournament to see how the NA team does. Once they are out I have no interest.

Vic


Wed Sep 21 2016 10:22 am EST

And, yes indeed, great to have the WALL back...That cold turkey shut down had me jonesing big time....Thanks for everything RFC Admin!!! and a tip of the hat to all Wallsters for making it though the doldrums of the summer without a major meltdown!.

Hospo


Wed Sep 21 2016 10:19 am EST

RF4L - Obvously, the plan by USA management to win with physical hockey was a total disaster...But, honeslty, I couldn't care less about the USA loss or the roster construction for this joke of a tournament....US obviously doesn't have as much depth as Canada and players like Matthews, Eichel and a few others could have helped the US team immensely as they should have instead of playing for some dipshit "North American" Squad...Still, you are right about the future being brighter for the US and maybe we'll see that in the Olympics, if the NHL lets the players go..

Hospo


Wed Sep 21 2016 10:16 am EST

Fire Torts !!! Haha. Just wanted to say it..... again

stepunmytoe


Wed Sep 21 2016 10:03 am EST

Whoohoo!!!

NV94


Wed Sep 21 2016 10:00 am EST

Whew! We're back - I was having RFC withdrawal symptoms this AM! And on another note, US world cup team architects getting ripped this AM for using an antiquated strategy (north/south, physical, shot-blocking, strong PK hockey) that not surprisingly, failed miserably. Consider who was bypassed in favour of skill challenged players like Dubi and Advocater (Kessel, Faulk and so on) and it's deserved. Time for US hockey to move past relics like Brian Burke (who's accomplished nothing in the NHL for over a decade) Dean Lombardi (who's LA Kings will be mediocre again this year) and Tortorella to guys with better vision. You US fans need not fret too much - you got guys like Matthews, Gaudrea and Eichel to anchor your national teams for the next 10 years - all highly skilled. And there's more coming!

RF4L


Wed Sep 21 2016 9:54 am EST

RFC_Admin: Thank you, thank you, thank you, for all the time effort and Deadication to this site....... Let's Go Rangers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PErUiAyVoGc

mf


Wed Sep 21 2016 9:38 am EST

HEY FOLKS! A different site on our shared hosting plan was hacked, as a result all sites on the server, including RFC, were shutdown for the past 20 hours or so. The issue has been resolved and we're back in business. As for hockey, I feel this World Cup Tournament is a farce and nothing more than a huge money grab, I refuse to watch. Keep talking hockey - thanks for visiting.

RFC_Admin


Tue Sep 20 2016 9:36 am EST

Hospo: Having spent a few years in Ann Arbor, I follow UM hockey quite a bit. Despite what others may say, I agree with you that Nieve's numbers at Michigan were somewhat underwhelming. As you mention, he was tied for 6th on the team in scoring last year. As a fourth year senior! A fouth year college player with his credentials should have been a bit more dominant. There was also a comment that his numbers were similar to Carl Hagelin's. Maybe in his first two seasons, but Hagelin put up big numbers in his junior and senior years while also taking home some hardware as the league's top defensive forward. Finally, Nieve's numbers did not improve year to year. He had a siginificant drop off during his sophmore year. All water under the bridge now--I hope he develops into a decent player for us. But I too was underwhelmed as I followed him over four college seasons, partucularly for someone drafted as hight as he was.

VtRanger


Tue Sep 20 2016 9:35 am EST

TDCHI - I don't know ..For a SENIOR forward on an offensive juggernaut team....6th in scoring amongs forwards is pretty meh....But..enough of that...,,,,,,You said it perfectly.....he was a solid 2nd line center in College..That type of player usually has trouble making the NHL....But with his size and FO ability,,and smarts he could become or transform into a 3rd /4th line C for the rangers no matter what the deal is with his offense/scoring/finishing...A year in Hartford should really help him develop into that player

Hospo


Tue Sep 20 2016 7:47 am EST

NIEVES- could become a serviceable 4th line center... we need to remember that Hagelin never put up big numbers at Univ of Michigan...

schneidw


Tue Sep 20 2016 4:47 am EST

The flaw that Nieves has is that he only has one gear. Always full speed. When you get up in levels, unless you can shift tempo on the ice you will just end up skating into the lap of Ds with that approch. And I mean, from the looks of it that is exactly what has held him back in College too. I think in terms of raw abilities, the kid is very talented. Great wheels, strong, good hands and so forth. But I have a very hard time seeing him becoming more than a 3rd/4th lineer in the NHL just because he doesn't at all have that ability to control the game. Its not fair to say that he plays with blinders, but he just never shifts gears...

Ola


Tue Sep 20 2016 3:21 am EST

pickle relish ?.....“I relish that opportunity,” said McDonagh, whose 14 goals in 2014-15 are the most by any Rangers defenseman other than Brian Leetch over the last 25 years. “I want to be leaned on more. I want to be depended on. “Last year was a frustrating one for me personally and for the team. I’m amped up. I think we all are. We want to get back to being the team we were the two years before that. We’re going to be ready. I’m going to be ready.”

stevielegs


Tue Sep 20 2016 3:19 am EST

capt fantastic parmenter on the spot......http://nypost.com/2016/09/19/rangers-moves-moot-if-ryan-mcdonagh-cant-revive-defense/

stevielegs


Tue Sep 20 2016 3:17 am EST

tutor time.....personal trainer, now personal coach......http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/sports/hockey/private-coaches-adam-oates.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

stevielegs


Tue Sep 20 2016 1:33 am EST

Hospo -re: NIEVES at Michigan. There was nothing sub-par about what he did there. He was a solid second-line center. He got overshadowed by some of the star talent on that team, true...but for where he was playing on a deep team his numbers were fine. I will say this: I have a bit of concern about his ability to finish. Seems like he does a lot of work that goes up in smoke because he can't burry the biscuit. But he and VESEY have been owning this tourney. Very good signs for the Rangers.

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:19 pm EST

I just saw Team Europes OT game winner...Great play by ZUCC..doing the unselfish things he wasn't doing or coached to do last year....backcheck covering his man in OT..getting the puck...looking up right away and springing DRAISTAL on the breakaway with a beauty of a pass....It's what Nsh-Zucc should be doing for the Rangers

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:14 pm EST

Zuke had a goal and assist today BTW....

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:13 pm EST

Hospo: They have a lot of good players - more than I actually figured they'd have.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:12 pm EST

Vic: Yep for sure, the biggest difference was the goaltending. I wonder if game 3 Gibson starts. A big decision for sure for McClellan (unless in the beginning it was a toss-up who he'd start - if so, Gibson gets game 3 for sure).

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:10 pm EST

That's what you gotta do agasint total speed..Hit them and hurt them when you can...How bout TEAM EUrope 2-0?Be pretty ironic if they won this silly tournament----and they do have some good players..

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:09 pm EST

RF4L: No kidding. Plus about 2 dozen high quality chances that they either missed, had blocked or BOBO saved. NA was the better team. They lost because their goaltender was a sieve and BOBO was brilliant. GIBSON was good but it was too late by the time they put him in.

Vic


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:05 pm EST

Hospo: Yemelin and he's noted for that. Someone got Droiun with a similar hit in the 2nd and Drouin didn't play much after that, although he stayed on the bench. I suspect that was Yemelin, too. Ekblad got smoked late in the Finn game is now out with a concussion. The NA team plays at such a hit rate of speed and are constantly moving offensively - they put themselves at times in very vulnerable positions.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:00 pm EST

Wow, quite the finish...Glad the Russians held on...BOB was the man...Who was that D-man that Oblitterated Eichel near the end? Loved it... USA-CAn should be crazy tomorrow,,Bodies will be hitting the floor...WILD - By now, you should get the exaggerations in my posts...Kid had a good career at UM but still was 6th in scoring amongst forwards on a college team----which usually doesn't translate to a guaranteed NHL player...Hopefully he works hard and excels at the other things--that will get him into the NHL

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 9:59 pm EST

Vic: Something else when Gotisphere hit the goal post, eh? Man can that kid shoot the puck. Amazing.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 9:52 pm EST

That was a hell of a hockey game! Very entertaining. That NA team has so much talent.

Vic


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:48 pm EST

Oh man, this is turning out to be a fabulous hockey game...wide open and a bunch of great offensive plays and it's getting ornery. Just wild. The way hockey should be played!

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:43 pm EST

TD: You're gonna love this - 2nd consecutive weak goal by Murray...now pulled and Gibson in. Dunno much about Gibson, but he's now the number 1 Duck goalie. Will be interesting to see how he does.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:39 pm EST

HOSPO: Really...as much as you can point out people are getting to excited about the TCT...you are being as outrageous saying sub par years....I mean, he improved year over year all 4 years. He had 31 points and 35 games. Only 39 players had 40 or more only 9 had 50 or more. Its not like the NCAA is a big points league....add to that is NCAA wide. In the Big 10 he was 15th in scoring.....and 19th in +/-. Then he went onto 5 points in 8 AHL games to kick off a start of his pro level career. SO Please...PLEASE don't be equally as silly against him as some are for him. Yes he needs AHL time, if he can keep up his level of play at the AHL level near that of his 8 games last season he will be in the NHL soon enough...but I imagine the team wants him to get some playing time down there to have some ups and downs to learn how to be a pro.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:36 pm EST

3 1 - Murray let's in a puker.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:26 pm EST

2 1 Russia. NA team looking their age defensively all of a sudden.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:24 pm EST

Ha and right after i post that, the Russians do what they are so capable of doing - suddenly dominate with pure skill and then score.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:17 pm EST

BTW, the Russians doing in this tourney what they've done in the recent past, like the Olympics. Disjointed, sometimes downright sloppy play and an inexplicable lack of passion far more often than not. Weird. So much talent. Some of the analysis here is blaming the coaches - they are so old school. For example, OV on the 2nd PP unit. I mean, huh?

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 7:36 pm EST

yeah, that was a little rough on Boo..He's doing everything he's supposed to do and showing some real good signs...Just urging some caution and patience with the kid and let him develop..Although it wouldn't kill me if he beat out JJooris or Pirri or even Laperriere! as a true 4th center that can play the entire position:)

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 6:04 pm EST

Hospital hi ho silver lining rain on any possible sunshine... feel the hype .. wait until camp starts and that hype...

stevielegs


Mon Sep 19 2016 5:48 pm EST

LOL Hospo...

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 5:35 pm EST

Wow, people getting too hoppped Nieves...Looked pretty decent and has the size..but a freakin player with 4 years of experience at UM should be excelling against undisciplined ECHL level competitin at the rag tag TC tournament,..It's a good sign, but means little about his NHL readiness after his sub par last few years as a Wolverines,..Let him show his stuff in Hartford for a year,

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 5:09 pm EST

There was some posting earlier about Miller missing games as a "healthy scratch" after he was banged up. There was another guy from another team that I can't recall at the moment that has had the same thing go on. I think, this is just me spitballing here, that the players and the NHL teams have an unspoken/unwritten agreement that anyone banged up will sit in order to ensure they are OK for the NHL season. SO I think bruises that are more than a small nuisance will even hold a guy out. And how about guys like Crosby and Ovechkin playing near the bottom of their teams for forward minutes? It seems to me that these national team coaches don't want to be the reason a guy misses NHL time. I will only be worried about Miller if he isn't a full participant in camp....until then, there is too much that makes me think the NHL doesn't want players injured so they are being overly carful. HOWEVER I don't think its due to caring for the players, I think what they want is to ensure that there isn't a lot of bad press out of this tournament. If 2 or 3 star level players got hurt, or even just middle of the road guys got hurt and missed time, there would be fans wondering why this tournament should go on, and players that would opt out. This is all about protecting the dollars for the NHL.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 19 2016 4:43 pm EST

Agreed that Joseph Raaymakers was way steadier than Halversieve. Must bug Halversie, too - the same guy he competed with last year for SSM. Raaymakers is a camp invite - I wonder if he'll get a contract offer. I certainly hope he's in for the next game.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 4:31 pm EST

Nieves will have to blow the competition totally away to make the club - there are too many ahead of him. However, that doesn't mean if he's doing well for Hartford he won't get a call up, especially if injuries mount and/or the team struggles.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 4:27 pm EST

Gotta say I’m pretty high on NIEVES at this point. This kid has had an incredible tournament. Against the Wild, he was carrying the puck really well…he had at least three rushes where he penetrated the defense on his own…just muscled his way in…Has really good chemistry with VESEY too. It would not surprise me at all if he made the Rangers out of camp…though I have a distinct feeling they’re going to want him to get some AHL action under his belt…would be incredible if the Rangers have a 220-pound center who can move and win faceoffs…and that’s what he’s been showing in this tourney…and VESEY…man, I’m happy to be wrong about this kid. He’s a keeper for sure. Has been owning this tournament straight up…and again, the defense was just blah…I counted two neutral zone turnovers and a defensive zone turnover in a matter of less than 1 minute. The kid in net certainly did a good job for the Rangers…and fortunately enough, the turnovers weren’t to Alex TUCH or Mario LUCIA…just to the Wild scrubs who shot right into RAAYMAKERS.

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 4:17 pm EST

Vesey and Boo look like genuine prospects. How nice. Stromwall is not a little guy either.

Bob


Mon Sep 19 2016 4:10 pm EST

VESEY again!!

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:58 pm EST

This kid in net looks better than HALVERSIEVE.

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:55 pm EST

Looks like Dallas Star Valerie Nichushkin is signing to play CSKA Moscow this season..What have liked to take a shot at him...Oh well

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:52 pm EST

VIC - Yeah, STROMWELL and VESEY have consistently been the best players all three games..Like VESEY's size alot more though!

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:38 pm EST

TD: I tuned in a shift or two before the VESEY goal. STROMWELL (#84 if I'm not mistaken) was a huge part of that pressure and eventual goal. Slick player. And yes, that goal was sweet. I hope VESEY ends up being more then we expected.

Vic


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:29 pm EST

Invitee Turner OTTENBREIT mixing it up with invitee IVERSON...were teammates last year in TC.

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:22 pm EST

INCREDIBLE goal by VESEY. Rangers may have something special here.

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:17 pm EST

Incidentally, IVERSON...former third rounder...is playing for the Wild. He's number 71. Haven't noticed him at all...

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 3:06 pm EST

Buch looks like he's in cruise mode. Not encouraging at all.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 2:56 pm EST

I've mainly focused on VESEY and BUCH, the rest really don't matter right now...VESEY is doing whatt an NHL player should...Man amiongst boys and looking like he plays the game at a totally different level....BUCH on the hand has left me totally unimpressed...Nowhere near ready for the NHL.....hartford would do him wonders..BUt if he has the DIVA clause in his contract, where does he go? Screw his feeelings, it better not be NY,,,

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 2:46 pm EST

stevielegs: Minnesota.

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 2:46 pm EST

Some thoughts on the first: Think I was wrong about VESEY…the kid looks REALLY good. He was carrying the puck into the Minny zone and literally barreled through the defender knocking him on his ass like he was a pee wee or something…He’s mad strong on his skates and likes shooting the puck…Sean DAY…ugh on defense, but the guy can skate…NIEVES having another strong game…and said this the other day, but absolutely love the young RONNING. Kid is all over the place. Reminds me a bit of ZUCC…BUCHNEVICH made a few nice passes…but has been very quiet…Still don’t think he plays a day in Hartford…but he’s looking a bit like he needs too…

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 2:41 pm EST

who is the home team...HOSPO thanks for the link ...

stevielegs


Mon Sep 19 2016 2:32 pm EST

Gawd so far this looks like the Rangers offensively - all shots from the perimeter - Wild giving them nothing.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 2:21 pm EST

Doesn't look like Halversieve is in net. Some good netminding for the Rangers so far.

RF4L


Mon Sep 19 2016 1:57 pm EST

or....https://www.nhl.com/redwings/video/live-wild-vs-rangers/t-277437404/c-40472303

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 1:56 pm EST

9 MINUTES AGO --- CYMI here is the stream link for today's #NYRTCT game live now! http://nyrange.rs/2cT484I

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 1:48 pm EST

BOB - Beat you to that..at...Sun Sep 18 2016 5:50 pm EST...Still, decaying minds think alike!... I'd be worried if I was you! I can remember the song and LOBO but damn if i can find my keys every in the morning.!!

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 1:41 pm EST

Dog named Boo....... https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=me%20and%20you%20and%20a%20dog%20named%20boo&oq=ME%20AND%20YOU%20AND%20&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS574US583&aqs=chrome.1.0l2j69i57j0l3.7736j0j8

mf


Mon Sep 19 2016 1:21 pm EST

NY Rangers "Pre-season Schedule": http://rangers.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm?gameType=1

mf


Mon Sep 19 2016 1:21 pm EST

Me and you and a guy named Boo?

Bob


Mon Sep 19 2016 12:57 pm EST

TDCHI -Glad to hear about Nieves, always liked his name..It would be great if he focused on becoming a 3rd/4th center type....and I love Clarke's words about his size and especially FO ability...damn, are both ever needed down the middle........but.... .....l'll take his performance at TC with a grain of salt.......After 4 years at UM, he damn well better have the discipline, attitude and smarts to be playing well in a rag tag tournament like TC..Still, sounds like a good start this year after a few good games in hartford last year

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 12:41 pm EST

As mentioned earlier....NIEVES...220 pounds...looking real sharp...As I've mentioned before, I think the organization is really high on this kid...Gernander has him centering the top line at TC...paired with VESEY...think he's a longshot to make the team, but there's an outside chance he ends up being the Rangers' fourth-line center. From NHL.com: CAPTAIN BLUESHIRT: New York Rangers forward prospect Cristoval "Boo" Nieves is proud to be serving as captain during the Traverse City tournament. "I feel like I've been part of this organization for a very long time now, and to wear the 'C' with all these guys I've known the last few development camps is pretty cool," Nieves said. Nieves has centered the top line in the opening two games alongside left wing Jimmy Vesey (free agent signee). Pavel Buchnevich (2013 draft, No. 75) and Ty Ronning (2016, No. 201) have split time at right wing. "I think a lot of my skating improvement came this summer when I had a skating coach work with me," Nieves said. "I changed my workout and my whole diet, and feel like I gained a lot of strength. It's starting to show on the ice. I was in the gym every single day. I think I started the summer at around 208 pounds and now I'm 220 pounds, so I definitely put on a lot of weight and strength." Rangers director of player personnel Gordie Clark has been very pleased with Nieves' development. "He's a monster; we've been waiting for his body to pop," Clark said. "He's always been in great shape, but he's really put on proper weight in the upper body. It's also really awesome that we have a center in our prospect pool who wins a lot of faceoffs. He's got to be over 60 percent this tournament." Nieves, picked in the second round (No. 59) of the 2012 draft, will begin his first full season with Hartford of the AHL. In four seasons at the University of Michigan, he had 28 goals and 109 points in 144 games. "Being in college four years allowed me to learn the game and develop offensively, and more importantly, defensively," he said. "Obviously you want to become stronger and bigger. The first thing the Rangers said to me after drafting me was to return to Michigan and become a man, and then come to us when you're ready. That's what I've done."

tdchi


Mon Sep 19 2016 11:08 am EST

Hasn't JT been a "healthy scratch" ever since his injury in the first game and then claimed to "befine"? Hopefully it IS a healthy scratch....

Ranger47


Mon Sep 19 2016 10:39 am EST

Hospo. JT Miller was a healthy scratch

KIS


Mon Sep 19 2016 9:50 am EST

BTW, I watched a little NHL Network this weekend and 2and damn if this Bill Lindsay isn't the most unwatchable knob they have on--his style just irks me big time......Is JTMILLER playing for the North American squad?

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 9:50 am EST

HOSPO: The link is: (http://rfccjc.com/survey/index.php/695154?lang=en).........Don't forget you should register your name as your Wall name otherwise I won't know who you are when we post the results. Use the First Name field only. You can ignore the last name.....For more details about how all of this works you can refer to my post on Wed Sep 7 2016 1:03 pm EST. Just search in your browser for that date and time and it will take you right to that post.

Vic


Mon Sep 19 2016 9:33 am EST

VIC - If you have the chance, can you put the link up again????

Hospo


Mon Sep 19 2016 9:04 am EST

RF4L: You asked me a few years ago "how young do you want them?" in response to my statement that 25 or 26 is really the point where most players start to physically decline. My answer, IIRC, was "just out of diapers". But all comedy aside you can see the speed, quickness and off the charts talent of these kids. I haven't watched their first game yet (I have it taped) but hope to tonight. I would love nothing more then for that NA team or Europe team to win this tournament. It would be a kick in the groin to BUTTMAN and the NHL to have one of their abomination teams win the tournament.

Vic


Mon Sep 19 2016 8:59 am EST

LEO: Thanks! If you had a hard time making some of those picks then I did my job! ;-). Anyone that hasn't gotten their picks in please do. I'll be closing the survey just before camp starts, which I believe is this Thursday or Friday. Can anyone confirm that?

Vic


Mon Sep 19 2016 5:16 am EST

Worlds are all star games played for real. Veenyo told fish boy he needs a similar roster but with diversity from other countries ... And planets ...

stevielegs


Sun Sep 18 2016 11:42 pm EST

Vic - just finished your poll and I wanted to say thanks again for compiling this! For many questions I was torn between answering what I believed would happen vs what I hoped would happen!

LeoS


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:48 pm EST

opps...decided to ignore this tourney....

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:47 pm EST

KIS: Agreed. Those who have decided to that this tournament (and I get their displeasure) to the point where they refuse to watch any of it are truly denying missing out on some fabulous hockey. The skillset of the NA team is, at times, like artistry as it unfolds. If I had my way, what we are seeing from that team is what we'd see at the NHL level and yes, I understand with 30 teams it wouldn't be that concentrated, but surely is better than Buttman's mandate to dummy the game down so shitty teams can be perceivably competitive.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:31 pm EST

Love watching this team NA

KIS


Sun Sep 18 2016 7:14 pm EST

Moot here's to your football headball ....http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/i-played-stoned-some-nfl-players-love-getting-high-before-kickoff/

stevielegs


Sun Sep 18 2016 6:16 pm EST

MelvilleFred - Ditto..Means absolutely nothing......reading some other Ranger boards discussing TC..sounds like VESEY is the one that is indeed way above the competition....OLA's swede has looked very good...Groppy looking sloppy at best.....and .....alot of talk about BUCH being moved to the 4th line already....and why was Gernander doing it

Hospo


Sun Sep 18 2016 5:56 pm EST

I can't believe I totally don't give a shit about the World Cup of Hockey.

MelvilleFred


Sun Sep 18 2016 5:50 pm EST

RF4L - Good words on the dog named Boo..Give him a solid year in AHL and maybe we'll have the 3rd line/4th line defensive center for the next 5-10 after that..

Hospo


Sun Sep 18 2016 5:07 pm EST

Stevie. Russians losing again. The Swedish defense is superb. Probably best in tourney

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 4:40 pm EST

hank out sick

stevielegs


Sun Sep 18 2016 2:15 pm EST

And gotta say I really noticed his size in the bits of those TCT games I watched

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 2:14 pm EST

Gordie Clark singing the praises of Boo Nieves. Nieves says he worked hard all summer in the gym and with a skating coach. He's up to 220lbs, stronger and faster. Clark is encouraged by his FO prowess so far at the TCT. And lauded the shape he's in.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 1:43 pm EST

Non Hockey: I posted that I have boycotted the NFL this season as I do not wish to contribute to a single advertising dollar or Nielsen Rating.. Maybe the adults can learn a thing or two from the kids.... http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/this-boy-with-down-syndrome-td-is-heartwarming-and-heartbreaking/

mf


Sun Sep 18 2016 12:42 pm EST

Regarding the IIHF - the NHL has asked for decades that the world championships be moved from spring to the fall so NHL players can participate fully but they've continually been rebuffed. So shutting out those arrogant clowns ain't something that bothers me in the least.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 12:23 pm EST

I could have handled splitting the Canadian team into provinces...i.e. Ontario, Quebec, Alberta...but North America? Bogus. Very good points Ola. I think you hit the nail on the head.

tdchi


Sun Sep 18 2016 12:06 pm EST

Ola: Yep, like I said - it's a cash grab. That doesn't mean the hockey will suck or that the players don't give a shit. For the latter, quite the opposite and these are the best players in the world so there will be plenty of superb hockey for sure. That many aren't into it I get. It is what it is.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 11:49 am EST

RF4L- Lets be honest, its a effin disgrace how this World Cup has been designed. There is not many fans out there who likes this idea, its really quite insulting. In plain English, it is just downright disrespectful towards the fans. There is only one reason for why the tournament was designed in this way, and that was because you cannot put 8 teams on the ice without involving other parties than the NHL and NHLPA, it would be too many European based players on the ice for whatever other 2 teams they used. Its not about them being push-overs, that is BS, its about keeping the IIHF out of the tournament completely. Every cent from this tourney goes to the Owners and Players directly. Pure greed. Its a farce. It in no way respects the oirign and true principles of the game. There just seem to be no limit how far these clowns can take it to exploit the ones who pays the bill.

Ola


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:55 am EST

watch and replace veenyo as tom, fishboy as micheal, and the genius as brando......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESBg8PBCi64

stevielegs


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:51 am EST

don't really care about worlds except hopefully guys come in better prepared to start the new season. the kids in tc are getting good experience and exposure , but hard to watch trying to figure out who is who....good for all especially guys coming to camp to try and make the team....but all bs until preseason games and decisions on the starting roster for 2016-2017.....is veenyo coaching the tc team ?.....

stevielegs


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:43 am EST

BTW, is Lundqvist a lock for the HHoF??

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:41 am EST

FWIW, a story on the Swedish team and it's huge reliance on the King. It'll be worrisome if the King's troubles in the exhibition games carry over into the tourney because it'll basically be where he left off last year for the Rangers. I suspect he'll be fine, but...http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/world-cup-of-hockey/time-sweden-start-worrying-henrik-lundqvist/

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:34 am EST

Vic: That versus thing was Buttman's attempt to proclaim that he had facilitated an American network TV broadcast deal, something he wasn't able to do with any other broadcasters. Versus, however, was way down on the dial (to use old terminology) if it was available at all in many markets. At the time, it wasn't available in Canada and back then I travelled to the US frequently for work and I could never find the Versus channel in any hotels I stayed at.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:18 am EST

stevie: Agreed but Lombardi is the GM and it's his job to actually bring in the players. He loves size and intimidation. Both have their merits but you need speed and skill, too. The lack of the latter is the biggest reason the Kings have failed the last 2 years.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:11 am EST

TD: Ahhhh, the glowing puck. Now that brings back memories. As a side note on this stupid tournament I was surprised to see ESPN carrying it. The NHL will never admit that it was a mistake moving their broadcast rights to VERSUS from ESPN. They did luck out in that VERSUS was bought by NBC and turned into the NBC SPORTS NETWORK. But as I watched yesterday (again, only the first period) I couldn't help but think that the production and presentation of the game sucked in comparison to what NBC Sports does now. If this is ESPN's attempt to dip their toe back in the hockey waters my thoughts are "Thanks, but No Thanks".

Vic


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:10 am EST

I concur the makeup of the Euro and NA teams is odd but the thinking was to put together the best 8 teams from a competitive standpoint. I suppose dividing Canada into 2 teams could have been another way of accomplishing that but you'd still have the same argument - it's not a world championship. Also, remember the mastermind behind all of this, at least from a $$ standpoint, is that little weasel Gary Buttman, who is an American. The entire tourney is in Toronto where folks for decades have been shelling out ridiculous dollars to watch a team that's been the laughing stock of the league far more often than not. This is a guaranteed money maker for the NHL and NHLPA - millions of $$ will be made. Splitting Canada into 2 teams would be counter-productive from that standpoint. All that said, I am watching because it's good hockey - I won't be chest pounding if/when Canada wins because their biggest rival these days comes from south of the border and this NA team has prevented your country from icing what otherwise would have been a very good team. What they should have done was have 6 teams - eliminate the NA and Euro squads. But this format equates to more games and more $$. I hate Buttman - as I've said on here more than once, first and foremost on that asshole's agenda is $$$ - everything else comes a distant second.

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 9:10 am EST

Hospo - wouldn't say that BUCHNEVICH is invisible. His line is probably the best in the tourney. Big issue though is that the defense simply can't advance the puck, so instead of springing Buch on the breakout, he's left to essentially do circles in the neutral zone. Of course, the Rangers' D isn't exactly one that moves the puck well, so he could be facing the same situation.

tdchi


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:56 am EST

RF4L - Don't mistake my almost complete disinterest for anger and frustration! Seriously though...me and a few buddies were tossing around going to a few of these games and in hindsight, I'm beyond thrilled we didn't...yeah I know Canada and the US had a couple of hard-fought games...but whatever...I look at the rosters and simply can't justify how the U.S. built theirs...except by listing WAAAAAY too much to the likes of a couple of hockey dinosaurs like Torch and Lombardi...Frankly, it seems like yet another way to talk up Sid Crosby...Canada's captain leading the team to victory again...blah blah blah...My only hope is that NA hands that piece of shit his front teeth on a platter...what they SHOULD do is simply move the World Championship to the fall...when they first rolled out the cockamamie plan, that's what I thought they WERE doing...that way you get teams that have the best of the best...but this business with Team Europe and Team North America...it's just such a stupid gimmick...surprised they don't have the glowing puck for these games.

tdchi


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:40 am EST

And on Stromwell I was thinking the same thing. Looks like a man among boysput there. Can he translate that to camp and beyond? Still it's encouraging that he is dominating

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:36 am EST

TD. Your anger and frustration should perhaps be directed at US hockey who agreed to the format and didn't bother to invite guys like Ryan and Statsny and Shattenkirk and Okposo and Fowler and so on...

RF4L


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:33 am EST

step - Halversieve needs a good deal of alone time with Allaire. This tourney has made it pretty clear why the Rangers have Hellberg signed through next year...in his limited defense though, the Rangers' D has been deplorable...maybe even a basket of deplorables. Ola hit the nail on the head with that one...still, he's let in some softies for sure. No way that Dallas team should be scoring four goals against you...but a win is a win and the boys are still in the hunt. They need to beat up on a weak Wild team and hope for a Canes' loss...Chicago's team is filthy. They're taking this tournament, IMO.

tdchi


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:26 am EST

STROMWELL could very well be a sleeper for the Rangers. Very good chemistry with KOVACS. Talented guy...but to temper some hopes, he is a 22-year-old playing in a rookie tourney, where most of the players are younger and haven't played professional hockey.

tdchi


Sun Sep 18 2016 8:14 am EST

I think there was this sort of queer hope that because Tortorella's understudy was able to seize Lord Stanley's cup riding a hot team that the torch himself could capture lightning in a bottle...but truth is, he's the same old Torts...and while Sully adapted his styled, Torch is the same old POS coach he was with the Rangers...trying to hit and pound opponents into submission...shutout by Europe? Brought to you by the John Tortorella School of Offense...No matter...I simply can't bring myself to watch these games yet...I'm finding TC 100 percent more enjoyable --even the games that aren't the Rangers prospects --than the World Cup...and it is Mickey Mouse. Any time when you hamstring a team like USA by taking half their good young players and moving them onto some joke of a team...that's Mickey Mouse. That's the Disney-facation of hockey. Pure BS...

tdchi


Sun Sep 18 2016 5:43 am EST

Rf4l I would think their coach muppet sutter has some say in that too....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 17 2016 11:37 pm EST

Bob: My early take on things is that the US team was built on brawn as their primary tactic. Perhaps that's because the talent overall is lacking but OMG does that remind me of how the LA Kings are built and look at their last 2 years - brawny teams that fail. So yeah, Lombardi just might be the guy at fault here - he certainly is for the Kings failures the last 2 years (I mean the 13th overall pick and Martin Jones for Lucic when your team is already big???).

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 10:50 pm EST

Only watched the first period of the USA game today. My overriding thought was "OMG can it be possible that STEPAN is even slower then before?". He was aweful in the first. Beaten on the first goal and beaten on another 2 on 1 that QUICK saved. This team USA roster is not good. Mostly aging former good players. No game breaking talent outside of KANE. I have very little interest in this World Cup because of this BS North America team and Europe team. Call me when everyone is representing their own country.

Vic


Sat Sep 17 2016 8:57 pm EST

Have read in several places that STROMWALL has been the best Ranger overall in the first two games and BUCH gets the CLAUDE RAINS INVISIBLE MAN AWARD..Yeah, he's ready for the NHL...Damn, can we hurry up with all this TC stuff and the meaningless Wordl Cup BS and get on with Training Camp???

Hospo


Sat Sep 17 2016 6:47 pm EST

84 was Stromwall. Both his 3rd period goal and shootout goal were nasty.

stepunmytoe


Sat Sep 17 2016 5:04 pm EST

Here is all we can hope for: Live broadcast of the posit game presser with Brooksie asking Torts why he benched Buff and Palmieri.

Bob


Sat Sep 17 2016 5:03 pm EST

Don't know who number 84 was. He was not listed. He sniped top shelf from a bad angle in the 3rd and scored in the shootout.

stepunmytoe


Sat Sep 17 2016 5:02 pm EST

Well the Traverse City Rangers win in a shootout.

Bob


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:52 pm EST

Step. Day needs I think to work on his play without the puck...for sure he's got skill.

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:47 pm EST

The puck rushing skills of Sean Day is impressive and fun to watch. Jimmy VC is playing hard and well. Barely notice Buch.

stepunmytoe


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:38 pm EST

Bob. Agreed the NA team.thing hurts you guys more thsn Canada. And yesh that list of 'all-stars' is an oxymoron for sure. Dubi takes a stupid double minor basically eliminating any hope of a comeback...

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:24 pm EST

RF4L--Eichel, Gaudreau, Matthews and Jones should be on Team USA. What the heck are Dubinsky, Abdelkader, Backes, Niskanen, Jack Johnson doing on this club and what is with the corpse of Max Pacioretty? Canada will finish them and this tournament is history for us. You can tell that Hull and Chelios are pissed. Dean Lombardi and USA Hockey appear to have blown it.

Bob


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:19 pm EST

BTW McD so far in this game looks like McD of last year. Trying to do more than his skillset allows. He is not an.offensive defenseman. IMO it's the simple....

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:17 pm EST

Bob. Yeah. Think about it: 2 of your centers are Stepan and Dubinsky. Hardly overwhelming. And why did Torterella sit Bufajerk?

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:14 pm EST

Who is coaching this team ?

stepunmytoe


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:01 pm EST

RDW- I noticed the failure to mention Richter as well! They mentioned Chelios and Hull. I wonder why they promoted those guys? Who are their commentators again? Hmmmm

ColoradoMark


Sat Sep 17 2016 4:00 pm EST

Liking Boo Nieves. Our goalie Blows.

stepunmytoe


Sat Sep 17 2016 3:55 pm EST

Our prospects defense looks a lot like the NHL defense. Dallas up 4-2 now and it is a terrible as this team USA game. Of course, the Team USA club has no excuse for this pathetic display so far. There is simply not enough skill on team USA.

Bob


Sat Sep 17 2016 2:49 pm EST

Michael Joly looking really good so far. Fast and looks great handling the puck.

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 2:43 pm EST

Oh wait, I think that was shots!

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 2:39 pm EST

Rangers losing 2 1 to the Stars right now...

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 2:38 pm EST

How does ESPN mention the USA 96 World Cup victory without bringing up Richter?

RDW


Sat Sep 17 2016 2:21 pm EST

TD. Cash grab for sure. Mickey mouse? Mmm...subjective at worse. Players don't care? Ahh I don't think so. Obviously you saw none of the 2 canada / us exhibition games last week. Those 2 teams were trying to kill each other....

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 1:13 pm EST

RF4L - he attended prospect camp for the Rangers, who apparently tried to sign him after, but the Canes invited him to their camp and he signed with them before TC. Tolchinsky is a solid prospect for sure, and while his numbers were underwhelming in the A, it was also his first year there playing with bigger opponents. Wouldn't be surprised if he makes the Canes out of camp...re: the World Cup: it's a giant cash grab. I don't blame any newspaper for turning its nose up at it. The whole thing seems very Mickey Mouse to me...I mean, if you're gonna have a World Cup, invite national teams...not this BS with North America and Europe. Players don't seem to be taking it too serious either, considering how many have suddenly developed "injuries." I'd watch TC over the Mickey Mouse Cup.

tdchi


Sat Sep 17 2016 9:56 am EST

Want an excellent example of how the US isn't into hockey, save for certain niche markets? Larry Brooks is the only NYC hockey writer covering the world cup of hockey tourney. Looks good on Buttman, that's for sure.

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 8:59 am EST

The guy who scored the Canes OT goal yesterday is none other than Sergey Tolchinsky, turning Sean Day inside out in the process (that kid needs lots of work IMO). Didn't he play in this tourney for the Rangers before? His stats for the Canes farm team last year are rather underwhelming - 14 goals and 36 points in 70+ games.

RF4L


Sat Sep 17 2016 8:24 am EST

Yeah I think the mystery of which Hartford goalie is going to spend time in Greenville has been solved...Who knows? Maybe Allaire can do some magic with him.

tdchi


Sat Sep 17 2016 7:08 am EST

Mats Zuccarello has a message for his teammates in New York. “Don’t be friends with me,” the winger told The Post. “Or else you might be traded.”

stevielegs


Fri Sep 16 2016 11:45 pm EST

The Russian kid or Huska had better work out. Halversieve is weak.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 8:16 pm EST

HALVERSIEVE....And it was so Bwhahaa. Good call Bob.!

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 6:08 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/09/16/mats-zuccarello-doesnt-appreciate-rangers-trading-closest-friends/

mf


Fri Sep 16 2016 5:34 pm EST

at least they kept to the 2015-2016 script....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 16 2016 5:25 pm EST

And they lose it in OT as Vesey falls down in his own zone and a Carolina guy goes end to end through the Rangers D and past Halversieve.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 5:09 pm EST

3-3 after 3. 3 on 3 OT coming up.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:25 pm EST

The third Ranger goal was by Di Perna (D) not Stromwell. The list of numbers has them both as #74 - the goal scorer - but Stromwell is #84.

Ranger47


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:19 pm EST

I hope they put in the other SSM goalie for the 3rd period - that's what happened in the POs for SSM BTW - Raaymakers ended up replacing Halverson....

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:18 pm EST

Bob: LOL...this performance by Halverson is exactly what I was getting at when I posted about his not so great progress this past season - he did not build on what was a very good year previously. Good thing the Rangers have the Russian and Slovakian kids.

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:18 pm EST

Rangers 13-5 shots in 2nd and the game is 3-3.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:16 pm EST

Stromwell got the 3rd goal. Those 2 Swedes look fast and skilled. How fabulous is they can evolve their game to the NHL...

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:16 pm EST

Annnnndd......Halverson comes through again and it's 3-3.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:15 pm EST

3-2 Rangers on a goal by DiPerna, whoever that is.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:14 pm EST

Damn, feed hicupped as Kovacs came over the blueline and was set to pass - then goal when the feed returned!

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:13 pm EST

Kovacs I think, got that goal.

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:13 pm EST

Kovacs on the 2-2 goal.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:12 pm EST

2-2.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:09 pm EST

Rangers sloppy as hell after Halverson let in that stinker...

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:05 pm EST

Shitbox PP, too! LOL!

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:03 pm EST

Halverson. Woof.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:02 pm EST

Halverson is a fucking sieve.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:01 pm EST

Yes Vesey scored....

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:00 pm EST

Was that Vesey who scored?

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:00 pm EST

Tied...missed the goal...

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:54 pm EST

ANDERSSON paired with GILMOUR.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:52 pm EST

RF - They were up 10-7 until the PK!

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:51 pm EST

I don't think they looked bad. Actually, they started off really well. The top line really had the Canes pushed back...but the PK looked pretty dreadful...PP...eh....Calle ANDERSSON was out there for much of it.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:50 pm EST

BTW, the goalie backing up Halverson is Joseph Raaymakers, his battery mate from the SSM Greyhounds last year. I wonder if these guys are buddies...

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:49 pm EST

stevie: LOL...and outshot 15 to 12 to boot.

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:45 pm EST

TD - Thanks!

Ranger47


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:38 pm EST

Ranger47 - That's Tim GETTINGER. Late round pick last spring...sleeper supposedly.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:37 pm EST

Ice is slanted nyr like playing in their own zone... It's contagious...

stevielegs


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:37 pm EST

Looked like number 68 with some fine plays in the Cane end late in that period, but I don't see a 68 on the roster.

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:36 pm EST

Couple good shifts by Buch-Nieves-Vesey. Losing 1-0 to Carolina after 1.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:36 pm EST

Just saw Buch and that Andersson is #92....

Ranger47


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:35 pm EST

Terrible lazy pass by Gropp that just set up a decent Cane scoring chance.

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:34 pm EST

Thanks for the link to the jersey numbers. But who is 97? Is it Buchnevich? (Haven't seen his #89 as listed)? Noticed Kovacs a few times....

Ranger47


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:24 pm EST

I like Ty RONNING. Short squat kid, but he's got some moves.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:22 pm EST

Halverson beaten on a 30 footer. Nieves draws a penalty.

Bob


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:13 pm EST

BUCHENVICH-NIEVES-VESEY to start. Had a scoring chance thirty seconds in. Sean DAY has a ripper of a shot.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 3:08 pm EST

And here's a link to jersey numbers, since there is no announcer: http://www.theleftwinglock.com/2016/09/06/new-york-rangers-2016-nhl-prospect-tournament-roster/

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 2:59 pm EST

Also...haven't been able to get either to work on mobile. I'm on an LTE connection. Streaming at work...not smart, but who gives a F. Ain't seen any Ranger hockey since the last game of the regular season...and for those who ask, I don't consider that shit stain of a series against the Pens hockey in any sense of the word.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 2:56 pm EST

Likewise. Fox Sports Go sucks balls. Go to: https://www.nhl.com/redwings, then click on the tab for "Red Wings TV" and it should bring you to the Wild-Stars game, with a link to the Rangers game below it. Wild up 1-zip. Alex TUCH is a hitting machine.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 2:55 pm EST

The link on the Red Wings site works for me - but only on my phone and not my PC. Probably my company's fire wall causing the problem.

ges999


Fri Sep 16 2016 2:51 pm EST

Wait - good news. The Red Wing site is streaming the games - that Wild/Star one is one now and there's a countdown to the Ranger one underneath it. Here's the link: http://redwings.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=114329&navid=DL|DET|home

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 2:49 pm EST

And I cannot even access that fox site...oh well, guess I'll have to be content with reading the postgame stuff....

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 2:45 pm EST

Good afternoon. Anybody able to get the Wild/Stars game on the app? When I click the link using my phone i get "Media Error Cannot continue playback - This video is not available at this time." On my pc I just get a black screen where the video should be.

ges999


Fri Sep 16 2016 1:39 pm EST

According to All Things Google, NYC is 200 miles closer to Thunder Bay than Edmonton. As the crow flies. For what that's worth :)

LeoS


Fri Sep 16 2016 1:24 pm EST

Thanks, TD - Got it! I did scroll down to the bottom originally, but missed that there was ANOTHER separate scroll bar for the schedule. Thanks again!

Ranger47


Fri Sep 16 2016 1:09 pm EST

Ranger47 - Nah, you should be able to see it. Might need to scroll down a bit or refresh your browser. It's right on the schedule.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 1:07 pm EST

TD - I went to "https://www.foxsportsgo.com" using my computer and do not see anything related to the tournament. Am I doing something wrong (like having to download an app, sing in, or whatever)? Thanks!

Ranger47


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:54 pm EST

AND.... If we are near a position to trade Marc Staal; ie: Skjei, Holden, Mcilrath, Girardi, are all playing good hockey, me thinks that we must add to the trade and attempt to land a 1st forward line talent..... jmhon.....

mf


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:51 pm EST

RF - Just go to https://www.foxsportsgo.com...they have the games in the lineup...and they're the only ones unlocked. Supposedly, however, they're also broadcasting them on DetroitRedWings.com, though I couldn't find hide nor hair of where...like to echo Ola here…absolutely giddy about the game(s)....Some tourney news...think I mentioned before that Keegan IVERSON is on a try-out with the Wild...still kind of disappointed we didn't squeak this guy into a jersey even if he does turn out to be a grinder. Wild playing the laughable Stars squad at 3:30…Iverson will make his second appearance in the tourney…had a couple points in four games for a very bad Rangers’ prospect team…Aleks SAARELLA, the Ranger draftee sent to the Canes for Eric STAAL, is out of the tourney for minor surgery…which is good, because the Canes’ team is pretty bad-ass. Leslie Treff on Twitter is at the tourney and picks KOVACS, ZBOROVSKIY(defenseman drafted in 2015) and HALVERSON as the players to watch outside of VESEY and BUCHNEVICH…I reiterate again…very talented Ranger squad.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:50 pm EST

Rhet: When I read the Ference (his career is over) article I immediately saw a void for an LHS D'man.... 2nd thing I looked at was their current cap situation, must admit that I was lazy to research which players they may have to protect on the back line and who if any are still Rooks which may not require a protection slot... As for Edmonton as a landing spot, I think they will be greatly improved this season, and, Marc Staal would be way closer to his hometown......

mf


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:45 pm EST

RF: Curious, do you recall whether there was talk about an expansion draft when Chomp Sather doled out the NMC clauses? Even if the answer is Yes, the guidelines of which combination of players can or must be protected was NOT released at that time, and Sather could not have possibly known the quandry awaiting the Rangers.... I am not a Glenn Sather fan but be fair, hindsight is 20/20..... jmon

mf


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:40 pm EST

TD: Girardi's cap hit is much more palatable at the end of this season then it is now. IMO a buyout at the end of this season a viable option.

mf


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:39 pm EST

A couple of points of view; we’ve already turned over a significant percentage of our defense by losing Yandle and the retirement of Boyle. Although Skjei looked great when he got his shot, he has a very limited track record in the big league, and the addition of HOLDEN was a Good conservative and cost effective signing who can play 2nd pair minutes if needed… On the RHS, I see the Rangers going with Klein / Girardi / McIlrath In THAT order….. Baring another injury, or Frog-coach gets a toad up his ass, McIlrath should be given plenty of time to lose his full time spot on the D. As for trading M.Staal & or Girardi, besides all the reasons discussed here about keeping them, moving them, cap dollars, etc…. I’d like to add or repeat that with our new group of forwards, which are younger, have no history of playing together as a group, and basically 1 legitimate top 3 player in Rick Nash, I think it’s real prudent NOT to move Staal & or Girardi until we see this team on ice……. “That doesn’t mean O’l MF is going to stop hunting for trade opportunities, sorry Y18” …… Also, I think our D is very capable of making a good first pass and or skating 1,2,3, strides & then making the pass, and something that they should focus on……. One last thing, if the league continues to crack down on high hits / head shots and continues to move to a finesse style game, Rick Nash may be a beneficiary regular season. Unfortunately, come playoff time when the ice gets tightened up and the physicality increases, Ricky goes bye bye…..

mf


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:38 pm EST

RF - Just to clarify: Not bought out...No way they'd buy him out on that cap hit...but if guys like BOLLAND and BICKELL can be move, so can GIRARDI. It's just at what cost. I think if you dangled Girardi at a bottom-feeding team like Arizona along with a nice prospect...say GROPP or even GRAVES...he'd be gone....but we agree...This is Girardi's last season as a Ranger...even if he rebounds to his peak form.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:34 pm EST

Does anyone know exactly where on the Wings website the streaming of the TCT games can be found? I see nothing about that on their site - maybe I'm missing something??

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:28 pm EST

Rhet: I think if a team is willing to cough up assets for Staal they'd also be willing to honour his NMC. I also understand your thoughts on Edmonton but don't under-estimate the allure a team on the rise, which the Oilers finally are (or will be this year IMO).

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 12:23 pm EST

TD: I agree that Staal is still a top 4 defender. I don't agree that if the Rangers felt Girardi is done, they'd have bought him out. I think they are hoping he'll rebound, at least a little, this year and be somewhat serviceable but I strongly believe they recognize that they have an albatross contract on their hands and unless he really rebounds, he'll be bought out next June because they will not want to protect him (which they'll have to do due to the stupid NMC Sather coughed up) and expose someone far more valuable because of that. If he does rebound well, then he becomes marketable. IMO, this is the last year Girardi will be a Ranger. I'm not rooting against him and realize the great service he brought to the club, but that contract is brutal, just as some of us predicted it would be when it was announced. What I didn't expect was that happening so quickly, which gives me hope last year was indeed, an anomaly. We'll find out in the next 6 to 10 weeks if he's able to bounce back (to be at least a bottom pairing d-man, which is ridiculous at his fat salary).

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 10:04 am EST

MF.... Put yourself in Marc Staal's shoes.... You agree to go to Edmonton (Seriously, who even wants to go Edmonton?) only to then be exposed in the expansion draft. Why would you agree to do that? If he doesn't waive his no trade, he get's to stay in NY. JMO, but if he agrees to go anywhere, he'll (a) want to go somewhere where he actually wants to go and (b) want to be protected in the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 16 2016 9:51 am EST

TDCHI - Pretty much the two options i see on defense..Either way, Rangers have a huge problem with puck moving and offense from the backline...Gonna hurt them big time...UNLESS ..SKEJI really moves forward...there will be alot of pressure on the kid because of GORTON's inability to fill the hole with a more experienced player...but ..who knows, maybe SKEJI is up to the task.......GIRARD has ZERO value now..needs to reomprove himself.....STAAL has been the same player for the last three years..a solid 2nd pairing non-physical Z(most of the teim) defenseive d-man....Could do worse ..Maybe he gets more protective and physical of paired with SKEJI.......MCD-KLEIN should be fine.....Gurardi-Holden-Mcilrath.....NO offense there from the bottom pair.....unless...........CLENDENNING.......who I still believe will have a chance under AV...Watch out for him

Hospo


Fri Sep 16 2016 9:34 am EST

RF4L – Well my point is less that they CAN’T move them now(because of prohibitive expense) than it is they’ve weighed the options and think the team is ultimately stronger with them than without. And part of that simply has to be they still see both as top six defenders…in STAAL’S case, there’s little disagreeing he’s still top six. He’s not the guy he was before his eye injury and he’s older now…but the guy can still contain some of the top forwards in the NHL. If they wanted to move Staal, they could do it and probably without having to retain much if anything in the way of salary...I bet if you dangled Staal for a prospect or a couple of picks…say a second and a third…there would be a line of teams ready to grab him…Hell, the Caps would probably bite just so they could get him off OV’s back…We agree on GIRARDI…no team is going to take him without a fair amount of salary eaten or a young player going the other direction...but it seems to me they think Girardi still has some life…enough that he can still play a top-six role with the team…if they didn’t, they would bite the bullet and move him…simple as that. He’s got one last year with the team and basically it’s an audition for his next job, because he’ll be bought out next spring, almost regardless of how he plays…In short, I see his future with the Rangers playing out much in the same way Brad RICHARDS’ career did in New York.

tdchi


Fri Sep 16 2016 8:22 am EST

TD: I suspect neither were moved not because the Rangers don't want to move but because (as you said) the cost to move them was prohibitive. For sure, retaining some of the cap hit for both would have to happen and I suspect Girardi would have cost them an asset, too. Now if both rebound, their perceived value will change. That said, if the team overall flounders, their value will likely only worsen.

RF4L


Fri Sep 16 2016 4:07 am EST

Wildcard- That is some GREAT news!! Wow. I was looking forward to a great weekend, that just got even better! Mrs. is away, Premier League games, World Cup and now the Traverse Tournament. I have promised the kids to eat fast food twice per day. Life couldn't be any better! :)

Ola


Thu Sep 15 2016 11:42 pm EST

Like it or not, the Rangers are going into next season with their D as-is. As much as fans grimace about the prospect of another season like last with STAAL and GIRARDI, there has been NO indication...I mean ZERO...that the club is, has or will try to part with either in the near future. Obviously, their contracts are an issue...but...if the Rangers wanted to move them, they could. Nothing is impossible in the era of salary cap...my impression is they don't WANT to move them. Or at least not for the cost it'll take to move them...so somewhere in the Rangers' brain trust, I'm sure an assessment was done and the conclusion is/was that the Rangers are a stronger team with both than they are without one or the other or both...And I will also remind that Staal is still a genuine top-four defenseman. He had a bad season last year, but so did the entire Ranger defensive corps...I think the real question on D going into the season...and the only question for that matter...is who will be number six and who will be number seven. I tend to agree that SKJEI will be slid over to the right, HOLDEN will slide into the bottom slot on the left and McILRATH will serve as the pinch hitter when someone goes down or needs a rest...or alternately, if Girardi really IS done...My coaching choice would be to keep Holden as the seventh, Skjei on the left and give Mack the minutes on third pairing...I think it's been mentioned too that Mack will need to skate a certain amount of games to avoid being exposed in the expansion draft. That could also play into this.

tdchi


Thu Sep 15 2016 10:44 pm EST

Rhet: I thought that "if" a player agreed to waive his NMC that it was up to the acquiring team as to whether they would honor the NMC moving forward to keep the NMC in force...

mf


Thu Sep 15 2016 9:59 pm EST

Pipe = bong....mf, put down that bong. Or at least, pass it around!!!

RF4L


Thu Sep 15 2016 9:11 pm EST

MF... Pipe dream. Who should they make available in the expansion draft? Oscar Klefbom or Adam Larsson? Just for the privilege of trading for Marc Staal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 15 2016 8:47 pm EST

EDM's 37 y/o LHS D'man Andrew Ference's carrer is over.... They have plenty of cap room for ""Marc Staal""........... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/oilers-andrew-ference-says-his-career-is-over-due-to-hip-injury

mf


Thu Sep 15 2016 5:48 pm EST

Im a little worried about Hank too. He does start slow. So that is one thing. He didnt look good in Zuuccs charity game over the summer either. Let's just hope it's Hankitis. Needs to work out the rust.

WIOSA


Thu Sep 15 2016 11:30 am EST

110 points? Wow...shooting high. I think we'll know what this team is all about in the first 10 to 20 games. If it's more of the same (from last year) we'll know AV hasn't adapted and we're in for a long year with the best outcome being a struggle to make the POs. The worse outcome would be a lottery finish, which I think I'd take vs finishing 17th overall, or even 15th and getting bounced early in the first round. A bad finish vs a mediocre one would surely spell the end of AV and perhaps others (such as Hank and Nash).

RF4L


Thu Sep 15 2016 9:19 am EST

hopefully hank starts slow and gets hot, instead of last year false hope start hot....then team went cold.....110 points should be their goal......goalies need real defense in front of them...all 5 guys on the ice working together.....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 15 2016 9:02 am EST

Melville - I'm a staunch Hank supporter and yeah, it's pre-season and all...but to Team Europe? Five goals? That is an ominous harbinger. They are a soft, slow team, IMO...softest and slowest in this Micky Mouse cash grab of a tournament. And there's a pretty strong D in front of him with Sweden too...But I tell you what scares me more: Hank playing 70-plus games by the time the playoffs roll around.

tdchi


Thu Sep 15 2016 8:36 am EST

Melville..........to be quite honest, I have an awfull sinking feeling in my gut this year about poor old Hank.I hope I'm wrong but I think he is "done".If he has a BAD start with this young team it won't be pretty. I still stand by trading him long ago and keeping Mr.Talbot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Sep 15 2016 6:09 am EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on SEPTEMBER 14, 2016 7:04 PM All games of the 2016 Traverse City prospect tournament will stream live on FOX Sports Go app and DetroitRedWings.com. Starts Friday. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/09/09/guest-blogger-jim-nasium-rangers-winter-is-coming/#sthash.SMG1ICnc.NKeSwaU1.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Sep 14 2016 11:47 pm EST

Wild - that's great news if it's true. But I find it a little strange the Red Wings don't have any mention of TC on their site, much less an announcement that they're going to stream the games. I'll be doing the happy dance if they are, because TC is good hockey. Young, hungry kids looking to make an impression. Maybe a little disjointed, but still good...still, I have a lot of skepticism about this announcement...Keep your fingers crossed.

tdchi


Wed Sep 14 2016 10:41 pm EST

"According to the Red Wings, all of the Traverse City games will be streamed on their website. " That is via Twitter from Leslie Treff.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 14 2016 9:03 pm EST

Hank looked 35 in tonight's tune up......5 against several very soft. I know it's only pre-pre-season.....

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 14 2016 3:15 pm EST

hmmm. with Fowler possibly the only offensive D-man that might be moved--and their are about 5 suitors---Looks like no more help will be found for awhile......The mnore I think about, and despite not liking it...besst bet might be moving SKEJI to the RHS .....and........McD-Klein;....Staal-Skeji......Holden-Girardi ..with Mcilrathe and Clenndennon fighting for the 7th spot......Goodbye Big Mac.

Hospo


Wed Sep 14 2016 1:43 pm EST

nothing like waiting for Godot....hard to figure out if this team will succeed or fail, along with their coach.....

stevielegs


Wed Sep 14 2016 1:40 pm EST

''Tis that time of year... zzzzzzzz

E


Tue Sep 13 2016 9:36 pm EST

WIOSA...that's interesting and you'd surely have more insight to that than me. Given that, IMO it's another example of Napolean Buttman's flawed vision of securing a lucrative US TV contract by bringing hockey to the south, something that phuck is still hanging on to.

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 6:31 pm EST

RF4L, regarding Hockey in the US. It certainly has grown in popularity since my younger days, HOWEVER...there was a window of oppoturnity for the NHL to grow with promotions, strengthening some teams, and advertising. A better TV package that would allow non Cable users (at that time) to watch...but we chose to go into the South. Not a hotbed of hockey. Just MHO...but a missed opportunity. I guess it was yesterdays best judgement.

WIOSA


Tue Sep 13 2016 4:56 pm EST

The interesting thing I find is that article is that I have a distinct feeling HAYES wouldn't be a Ranger today if it weren't for VESEY...

tdchi


Tue Sep 13 2016 3:53 pm EST

Hayes needs to stop gushing or he may find himself no longer teammates with Vesey.

E


Tue Sep 13 2016 3:04 pm EST

My apologies if this was already posted but a somewhat interesting article on Hayes gushing over Vesey choosing the Rangers. What I do find intriguing is Hayes insistence that Vesey is a power forward who's not really recognized as such. http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=892335&cmpid=rss-calamia

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:44 pm EST

TD: Because most Americans don't give a shit about hockey - IMO, it's that simple. Hockey in the US is a niche sport so yes, there are hot markets but overall, it's 'MEH'. The Leaf rookie tourney games BTW are all available on TV here (and it starts this Friday, as does the TCT). There are 4 similar tourneys, the oldest being the TC one (Detroit, Chicago, Dallas, Columbus, Minnesota, St. Louis Blues, Carolina and the Rangers) - there's the one the Leafs are in (Leafs, Sens, Pens and Canadiens) and another hosted by the Canucks (4 western Canadian teams). The Bolts host one, too and involved in that one are the 2 FLA teams, the Caps and the Preds. The Sabres are hosting, for the 1st time, a 3 team rookie tourney involving themselves, the Bruins and the Devils. SJ has a mini one with Anaheim and LA something similar with Phoenix. Most NHL teams are involved in otherwords - only Philly, the Islanders and the Aves are on the outside looking in.

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:42 pm EST

RF4L - Forgot all about HUSKA...He could be a sleeper. He faced A LOT of rubber at the world juniors. Gonna be at UConn this upcoming season, so he's probably two years away from turning pro...My thoughts on HELLBERG is that he's a very good AHL goalie, but he simply doesn't have the goods to be an NHL goalie...re: the tourneys in your neck of the woods...actually, that's what I was thinking about. I'm pretty sure they were being televised, because I remember seeing them pop up in HockeyStreams(RIP)...would absolutely love a tournament like that in New York...but I guess the thought is that people would rather watch football and baseball than putz around will watching young, hungry hockey. SMH.

tdchi


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:31 pm EST

And another thing: While it's nice to have this tournament and all...why the friggin' hell are they in one that features four teams from outside the goddamn conference and based in Michigan?!? Imagine the kind of fanfare you'd get if you did a tournament like this in Massachusetts or even upstate? Say like a prospect tourney between the Isles, Rangers, Jersey, Sabres, Boston, Philly, Pitt and Washington? Hell, even a tourney between the Isles, Rangers, Devils and Buffalo would get fan attention. You get any team wearing NHL jerseys in this market and you'll see fans by the droves turning out. So color me perplexed as to why the Rangers are sending their kids to the outskirts of Michigan for a prospect tournament...Do that shit in Glens Falls where the Phantoms once played and you'd sell out the arena for every game. Or even a New England Tournament in Providence, where the P-Bruins regularly draw six or seven thousand for minor league games...And not to send this diatribe on a tangent, but one of the biggest failings of the NHL is that the powers that be see absolutely no reason to market its affiliate leagues with any fervor. You look at the AHL feeds marketed by the league itself and its an embarrassment...They can find money to plant a franchise in the middle of a desert, but don't have a dime to give the AHL to broadcast in high def?!? WTF?!?

tdchi


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:30 pm EST

TD: Agreed and clearly an indication that MSG either gives not 2 shits about their fans or simply doesn't get it. Probably a combination of both. They have similar tourneys in SW Ontario that the Leafs get involved with. The teams are primarily Canadian based but the Penguins also participate, so it's not like it's Canada only. If the Rangers ever changed their minds and joined that tourney I'd most definitely take in a game or 2 and report back on here my thoughts (it's in London, about 90 minutes from me).

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:24 pm EST

TD: I concur and my position is that despite the number of young goalies recently drafted, given the King's age and Raanta's stature as a back-up only (and not exactly young himself), it could become a crisis in the near future. Hellberg is basically Raanta II and Skapski took a significant step backwards last year although 1) he did come off major hip surgery and 2) just how good is he anyways - 2 wins against the Sabres notwithstanding. Halverson is the highest drafted goalie of the Rangers since Montoya was selected 6th overall and did not make the next step I'm sure the Rangers were anticipating last year. Your citing of his inability to backstop the US junior team is something I forgot when I detailed his troubles last year. Of course, I'm not writing this kid off but his progress this year bears watching IMO. A clear choice to be farmed out to the ECHL won't be good. I have seen that Russian kid play a few times - I share your opinion that he might be the best Ranger goalie prospect at this point. That said, the kid they took last year - Huska - looked very impressive in the WJC last year, backstopping a very weak Slovakia team and handling a lot of rubber. He posted a 1.82 GGA and 931 save percentage for his USHL team last year. He was named the USHL goalie of the year, too. He's with the U of Conn this year - it will be interesting to see how he fares. He's not 20 until next spring so barring injury no doubt will be Slovakia's WJC team's goalie this year. Perhaps in the end, he'll surpass all of them.

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:19 pm EST

E/RF4L - I think I go on this rant every goddamn year, so might as well get it out of the way now...it's absolutely MADDENING the Rangers can't find it in their very limited means to broadcast TC games in some way, shape or form. Just a slap in the face to hardcore fans...Now ordinarily, I would rant on about how they could simply have an intern with an iPhone and a tripod to air these games live online at the Rangers' website or whatever that site was/is that Cerny worked for...but check it: ALL THE TC GAMES ARE RECORDED IN HIGH DEF. And from the press box vantage point too...it would be absolutely unconscionable from a team's perspective to NOT have high-def footage of your best prospects in action...So the Rangers, if they wanted, could at least re-broadcast whatever footage they're getting from the tournament after the games...and they do spit bits and pieces of them out through Blueshirts United...so not only do they have access to high-def feeds, they're already picking and choosing clips...EDITING THEM....to be posted on the team/NHL-run fan site. Makes zero goddamn sense and it's angering beyond belief. I razz MSG/Blueshirts United/Cerney every fall for not broadcasting these games. It's such a crock.

tdchi


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:08 pm EST

RF4L – Think the Rangers’ minor league goaltending situation will be an interesting one to play out because HELLBERG is the clear number one in Hartford right now and SKAPSKI, if he’s ever going to be anything, needs a whole boatload of ice time. I suppose either HALVERSON or the Buffalo Killer could go to the ECHL…but that does neither much good…from what I saw at the World Juniors, the Russian goalie SHESTERKIN we have is legit..more so than HALVERSON, who, if you think about it, should have been Team USA’s starter during the 2015-15 tourney…But he ended up playing second fiddle to DEMKO two years ag…and then he got beat out by the Canes’ draftee…and maybe that was injury-related…but I think it also says something for where he’s at development-wise…now I’d ordinarily say any goalie who has already pitched an NHL shutout would be my pick for the top tendy prospect…and I liked what I saw from Skapski in those games…but really, if there’s an heir to the King right now, I think he’s still in Russia…then again, perhaps Halverson is a kid Allaire can mentor…Rangers are going to need one of those kids in New York next season, because I highly doubt RAANTA will be back for a third year.

tdchi


Tue Sep 13 2016 11:41 am EST

Good article from blueshirt banter. I didn't realize Gorther had done so many managerial changes....http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/9/12/12597508/rangers-appear-ready-for-a-youth-movement-at-all-levels

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 11:07 am EST

E: I sure wish the TCT was televised. I know a few years ago MSG covered the Ranger games and the NHL network re-broadcast some of them. Mind you, those idiots Nosen and Dickeletti yapped through much of the actual play by play and it was infuriating. Not knowing the players well half the time I didn't know who the hell had the puck. Of course, Dickeletti knew very little about any of the players so wasn't able to offer even his limited insight most of the time, which is probably why those 2 wouldn't shut the phuck up. Still, that was better than what we have now, which is no visual and very few reviews after the fact.

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 10:40 am EST

Doesn't matter to me if they lose every game. Of course, winning is nice but you just wanna see good performances from the players. And you also want to see the guys that you are counting on to make the team walk away from the tourney injury free. There are a lot of young on the bubble players trying to make a name for themselves to get a shot at the next level and they'll play nasty and with heart to get noticed on the ice. Have to remember that the tourney isn't just for visibility on your team. It's basically a scouting forum for 8-teams, and good tape for the rest of the NHL. For many, this is the closest they're gonna ever get to a professional contract. No one wants to see their dreams squashed. But I think it's a great scouting tool. Last season, I went to a Ducks v. Sharks scrimmage. It was cool. Got to see some guys like Karlsson, Mueller, Ritchie, Theodore have at it. It's fun to watch.

E


Tue Sep 13 2016 8:01 am EST

It'll be interesting to see how Halverson does in this tourney - he missed last year's due to an ankle (I think) injury. Halverson didn't quite make the next step in his progress last year in his final year of junior. His number of appearances dropped as did his GAA and save percentage and struggled in the POs. IMO, with the Russian kid signing a new 2 year deal with his KHL team, the door is open for Halverson to solidify his position within the organization as the King's heir apparent. Hopefully, he's ready and capable of that.

RF4L


Tue Sep 13 2016 6:23 am EST

Ola - No disagreement there...I mean, four of the eight defensemen are tryouts...Then again, it's all relative. The only team that seems to have a pretty rock solid D is Carolina, who has FLEURY and BEAN back there, plus Glen Wesley's kid who they drafted recently. Chicago doesn't have a bad backline either. The rest of the teams though...very light. Most of the other teams have one or two guys on D who are bonafide prospects...but beyond them, it's all trash.

tdchi


Tue Sep 13 2016 12:55 am EST

Tdchi- The TC team is great up front and good between the pipes, but that blueline is weak from my POV at least.

Ola


Mon Sep 12 2016 8:31 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Very true. I couldn't remember how exactly that TOLCHINSKY business played out...and FWIW, it's not like the guy is a star or even showing star power. He had an OK season as a 21-year-old with Charlotte, but nothing that suggests he's going to be a sure-fire NHLer. Kid did have some very good moves though.

tdchi


Mon Sep 12 2016 8:20 pm EST

Ranger47 - Haven't seen anything about TC broadcasts. I can almost assure the Rangers aren't broadcasting any of the tournament, but one of the other teams might. We got a real nice feed a few years back when the Sabres sent a crew out there. You gotta think, though, there's gonna be a feed somewhere. I'll be scanning reddit for threads come Friday.

tdchi


Mon Sep 12 2016 7:35 pm EST

TD.....In fairness to the NYR,Tolchinsky hosed us... We tried to sign him after Traverse City (in fact I think we tried to sign him twice), but he instead accepted a tryout with Carolina and then proceeded to sign with them. He doesn't sound like a guy that wanted to be here.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 12 2016 6:55 pm EST

TD: awesome heads up, t/y......

mf


Mon Sep 12 2016 3:02 pm EST

td: Are the games being televised this year?

Ranger47


Mon Sep 12 2016 2:47 pm EST

For those who follow it, the Rangers’ team for Traverse City will be having its first game on Friday afternoon against the Canes, who have one of the better teams in the tournament…This year’s Ranger squad is pretty bad-ass…probably the best team they’ve sent to the rookie tourney since they started going…obviously, the two big names are BUCHNEVICH and VESEY…and really, the team is a who’s who of the Hartford Wolfpack…counted at least 10 players, not including Vesey and Buch…Also on the team is Sean DAY, the first pick this year…John GILMOUR, Providence College stand-out who was signed as a UFA…STROMWELL and KOVACS…NCAA grads NIEVES and FOGARTY…Ryan GROPP, who played in last year’s tourney…Ty RONNING and Tim GETTINGER…Future-Hank Brandon HALVERSON will be their starter…Looking at the competition, I gotta say the Rangers have one of the best teams in the tourney. Chicago and the Canes both have strong squads…with the Canes, we can get reminded of how bad the Eric STAAL deal was, as SAARELLA will be in their top six along with Sergie TOLCHINSKY, who tried out for the Rangers a few seasons ago but didn’t sign...The Wild aren’t bad either...Have a few former first rounders in their lineup…Keegan IVERSON, the kid the Rangers took with their second pick in 2014 but never signed, is on a tryout with Minny…also attended their rookie camp….again, I don’t think there’s another team that is as well-rounded as the Rangers in the tourney. Strange to see such a strong squad after so many years of not having top picks.

tdchi


Mon Sep 12 2016 1:08 pm EST

thanks tdchi.....

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 12 2016 11:47 am EST

BTW, Aaron Ekblad is a beast and I predict a future Norris trophy winner in the making.

RF4L


Mon Sep 12 2016 11:46 am EST

Ola: I saw a potential issue with the NA team last night in their 7 4 victory over the not very good Euro team: They might be prone to forcing plays offensively - rather than play it safe when in trouble and dump the puck in, their combination of youth, skill and enthusiasm might result in trying to force plays when they're not there and that means turn-overs. Also, I am seeing passes when clearly the better option is to shoot. It will be interesting to watch once they face better opposition.

RF4L


Mon Sep 12 2016 11:17 am EST

Melville: They've been showing the exhibition games on ESPNU, which is where they usually dump college games.

tdchi


Mon Sep 12 2016 9:59 am EST

Are the Games going to be Televised and where? Thanks.

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 12 2016 7:51 am EST

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jkropp


Mon Sep 12 2016 5:57 am EST

Sometimes players sneak around under the eye-test "radar" so to speak in this league and get great hype thanks to their highlights and stats. FILIP FORSBERG could be a player like this. Loui Eriksson when he was in Dallas was another player like that. Sure, good players. Loui is very smart and so diligent on the ice, always knows where to go. Filip Forsberg's shot should definitely not be underrated. Its so effortless, quick and his aim is something else. But like overall, FF is definitely not a very good player. Somewhat lumbering on his skates, not very agile. Not great with the puck. And so forth.

Ola


Mon Sep 12 2016 5:54 am EST

RF4L- Team NA can easily win their group. I think Russia actually will be more composed on smal ice, I've seen them some and they play a pretty simple straight forward game. But they don't have great Ds. Sweden, sure we can have our moments. But Zetterberg is hurt, the Sedin's are 36 y/o. Bäckström has never been a speedster. Not much speed up front. Great blueline and Hank. Could easily see us loose against just about anyone if we have some bad luck. Team NA is also really really good, so many good players that age right now. And like you say, their speed is amazing. The US has a shot against anyone. Canada? They have a effin CHECKING LINE with Bergeron-Crosby-Marchand. And the Seguin-Getzlaf-Tavares line is sick. Their blueline is really heavy. I would definitely put my money on Canada...

Ola


Sun Sep 11 2016 9:14 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/islanders-strome-still-without-contract-could-miss-year-if-not-signed-by-camp ........... Ryan Strome: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8964

mf


Sun Sep 11 2016 5:38 pm EST

TD, AB-SO-LUTE-LY....did people think he found god during the offseason.

WIOSA


Sun Sep 11 2016 3:35 pm EST

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/09/11/j-t-miller-isnt-playing-for-north-america-tonight-but-he-says-hes-healthy/

stevielegs


Sun Sep 11 2016 12:28 pm EST

And just in case any of you guys were wondering, Sid Crosby is still a flaming douche.

tdchi


Sun Sep 11 2016 12:19 pm EST

I mean, I guess this goes without saying for all teams, but the NA guys have a lot of international hardware. I think just about every one of those guys has at least one medal from international competition. We'll see...but I keep hearing them called a 'dark horse' and what not...I really think they're gonna be the team to beat outside of Canada...Europe is gonna get beaten like a red-headed step child. Finland is interesting. Russia is chocked full of choke artists...one word for Sweden: Old. Czech...bah...and US...though they gave Crosby's clowns a run for their money, I just have ZERO faith in Tortorella's ability as a coach...and their defense? Man...My picks for the finish first through fourth are Canada, NA, Finland and the US. Pick for getting mercilessly beaten is Europe. Poor F@ckers...

tdchi


Sun Sep 11 2016 10:47 am EST

E/TD: I watched some of NA/Europe game the other night and holy shit, the former are FAST. It'll be interesting to see how they fare against Canada.

RF4L


Sun Sep 11 2016 10:42 am EST

I think NA is a lot of fun to watch. But I do think as the tourney tightens and progresses you're gonna see the more experienced clubs take over. Talent is one thing but knowing how to close out is something different. But NA is my favorite team in this tourney.

E


Sun Sep 11 2016 10:30 am EST

TD: I don't disagree about the skill level, but suspect even if their goaltending is good, their collective lack of experience will be their downfall. One area where experience usually factors in is in the FO circle and that team's stats are worse than the Rangers!

RF4L


Sun Sep 11 2016 10:01 am EST

RF4L - Aside from the obvious --Canada --North America, IMO, is probably the best team in this tourney. Eichel, McDavid, and Matthews...on the same roster? Just filthy. And their D is out of this world too. Would not be surprised in the least if they won it all. Only question mark on that team is their goaltending...and that's not saying much... they've got one of four goaltenders in the tourney that has a cup ring...on a related note: It's quite the praise that J.T. MILLER is on that team...he's with some pretty good company...and I think that says volumes about where the hockey world sees him as a player. Would not be surprised at all of he has a hell of a breakout season this year.

tdchi


Sun Sep 11 2016 9:37 am EST

What is a North America team? USA Canada have teams so only country left is Mexico.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 11 2016 9:30 am EST

RF4L - there are only two things I hate in life: The Penguins and....well...never mind. One thing. The Penguins.

tdchi


Sun Sep 11 2016 9:16 am EST

BTW, I think it would be hilarious to see the NA team win this world cup thing. I highly doubt that's what the organizers are anticipating. They want Canada in the final against either the US or Russia.

RF4L


Sun Sep 11 2016 9:15 am EST

TD: Your hatred of all things Pittsburgh is pretty amusing! LOLOL....

RF4L


Sun Sep 11 2016 8:41 am EST

CROSBY...Maturity?!?!?!?! BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.....wait....did I just read that??!? The guy is a petulant little twit. Classless puke. Always has been, always will be. Was last season, just like the season before and the season before. He's a diving little bitch.

tdchi


Sun Sep 11 2016 8:10 am EST

https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/774952171762835456/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

stevielegs


Sun Sep 11 2016 5:59 am EST

Never forget ....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tjFOnyl4BeQ

stevielegs


Sat Sep 10 2016 4:46 pm EST

RHET - I had thought PIRRI was mostly a wing..guess i was wrong...He did take 150 FOs last year...Of course, like most Rangers, he sucks at it (46% lifetime)...but perhapts he can "battle" Jooris and Lapierre until or unless LINDBERGER iss healthy...Then he can play wing fterwards..wow, so many bottom of the barrel forwards

Hospo


Sat Sep 10 2016 11:31 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/09/09/police-unions-slam-goodell-promise-to-pay-players-fine-if-he-wears-911-cleats/

mf


Sat Sep 10 2016 10:26 am EST

I agree re: Crosby. Generally speaking Crosby skates off and avoids the BS nowadays and keeps it between the whistles. I chalked it up to maturity. Just learned that he could win on his talent alone and didn't need all the other stuff. This game was a throwback for him. He turned into that petulant pussy. Just being a bitch. I never minded Marchand. He gets his beak in there and you just have to be smart about it. He stirs the drink for sure. I'll state this. That USA v. Canada went from I mellow to awesome quickly. By the time this tournament gets up to speed this is going to be good stuff. Gonna make the New York Rangers preseason completely anticlimactic.

E


Sat Sep 10 2016 10:08 am EST

RF4L---LOL. Actually, Marchand bothers me less that Crosby does. At least when he sticks his nose in there, he does not run and hide behind his teammates. Crosby was the biggest sh*t disturber on the ice besides Abdelkader last night. Cross checking guys in the back then hiding behind Shea Weber. I hate that about him. Canada will win this tournament relatively easily. They are just far more talented than the other teams in the field, and they will be playing at home the entire tournament. While I am intrigued at the Team North America, a better choice would have been to have 2 teams entered from Canada as the 23 and under rule hurts Team USA a lot. Most of the American kids on Team NA would have been on Team USA if they were eligible, and their team would have been much faster, more skilled and not had to play the rope a dope 6 goalie garbage Tortorella game.

Bob


Sat Sep 10 2016 9:13 am EST

NHL has definitely transitioned to a four-line league. You simply can't win if you skate two top lines for the bulk of the ice time and then gingerly purse out minutes to the third and sometimes fourth line. It's why Tortorella failed in New York and ultimately went down in a blaze of glory...the bonehead simply couldn't understand why he needed to use four lines...And I think that's why AV was an instant success when he got to New York...because he could use four lines effectively...seems to me the key now is finding talented guys who are willing to skate fourth line and accept that role...those positions were really relegated to the knuckle draggers and guys in the twilight of their careers. Now teams...and I hate to use Pittsburgh as an example...are using younger, faster players on lines three and four...I think the Rangers are hell-bent on making their bottom three competitive and, at the very least, fast as hell...it's the only reason I can find that they bid farewell to Dom MOORE, who was their best faceoff man BY FAR and still had a fair amount of hockey left in him as an effective fourth liner...but Moore, though not a slowpoke by any stretch of the imagination, wasn't going to win any foot races against opponents...and certainly didn't have the stamina to take the occasional long shift...I think what we'll see on fourth line is going to be something more akin to what we have on third...and as gene mentioned...third will look a bit more like second...and the distinction between the top three could very well vanish...Not sure AV has the stones to put NASH down there...but that would make A LOT of sense, given that I'm not sure it's a good idea to have any two rookies on a given line.

tdchi


Sat Sep 10 2016 8:33 am EST

On behalf of my country, I apologize to all non-Canadian competitors and fans in the World Cup for the inclusion on the Canadian team of that piece of shit Brad Marchand.

RF4L


Sat Sep 10 2016 7:25 am EST

It appears to me that there is a wholesale change in the thinking and strategy of the game today. A checking line is a thing of the past. All four lines need to be able to play a two way game. The D is also changing to reflect the new reality. Soon every team will try to be the Russians of yore with coordinated five man units. Given Pittsburg success with Kessel on the third line I would not be surprised to see Nash on the "third" line with Hayes and Buch. He could compensate for defensive liabilities and go against weaker D.

gene_carr


Fri Sep 9 2016 8:30 pm EST

This game is nastier than a modern day Rangers-Flyers tilt

stepunmytoe


Fri Sep 9 2016 8:26 pm EST

Once agin, Ben Bishop is fine unless he actually has to move. If he does, 30 footers go right past him.

Bob


Fri Sep 9 2016 8:25 pm EST

Stepan has missed two wide open nets tonight.

stepunmytoe


Fri Sep 9 2016 7:25 pm EST

Stevie- Yes, ESPN south of the border! USA looking pretty good, frustrating Canada. Getzlaf, Crosby and Marchand all in mid-season prick mode!

ColoradoMark


Fri Sep 9 2016 2:59 pm EST

TD: I agree with you - though I would not be surprised to see the Lindberg line used as our third/checking line against the opponents top line with your "third line" actually used as a fourth line. Or more a 3A and 3B combination with the Lindberg used as a checking line. JMHO.

Ranger47


Fri Sep 9 2016 1:37 pm EST

My reading of the tea leaves is that Oscar LINDBERG will be the Rangers' fourth-line center and that if he can't make it back to the ice by the first month, either PIRRI or JOORIS will take the spot. They're not going to bump MILLER down there...I'd be surprised if he's not getting top-six minutes...and as ridiculous as it seems to me to have HAYES centering two rookies or centering to begin with, I suspect that's where he'll be to start the season...now that we're four days past Labor Day and not as much as a gentle breeze from the trade winds, it seems to me the Rangers have amassed a situation where they're going to let the cream rise to the top and send the rest packing to Hartford. I'm thinking PIRRI was brought in as both an insurance policy on VESEY/BUCHNEVICH not living up to their hype and/or to serve as fourth line center in the absence of Lindberg...and more and more, it's looking like it's make-or-break for a guy like JENSEN...he's going to get claimed on waivers, I have no doubt. So it's either make it in New York or get a chance elsewhere...which is good for him, but less so for us....HRIVIK, who is another that has an outside chance of being fourth line center in the absence of LINDBERG, has already made it through waivers...and were I to call the ball today, I'd say our fourth line come December will be FAST-LINDBERG-GRABNER. Ain't no way AV benches his Swedes...so Pirri, along with JOORIS and Hospo's favorite Gerbel better really make a case for sitting one of the two rooks...or perhaps get used to the bus down in Hartford.

tdchi


Fri Sep 9 2016 11:01 am EST

Hospo... Why isn't Brandon Pirri a center?

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 9 2016 10:23 am EST

Hospo....I just want him to leave the kid alone now that he's finally figured it out. Somebody posted (Hospo?) Vescey/Buc/Pirri.....Buc is a C???

MelvilleFred


Fri Sep 9 2016 10:10 am EST

Just checking in to see if anyone was having any questions or issues with the poll questions. For those who missed it you can check my posts from Wed Sep 7 2016 12:50 pm EST through 3:09 pm EST for all of the details.

Vic


Fri Sep 9 2016 9:18 am EST

CM: Whew....I think JT is in for a good year for the Rangers - obviously, that realization gets compromised if he's out for 3 months due to a broken hand.

RF4L


Fri Sep 9 2016 7:11 am EST

CM games are on espn ?

stevielegs


Fri Sep 9 2016 7:06 am EST

RF4L- MILLER returned shortly afterwards, so Rangertown could breathe a little easier!

ColoradoMark


Fri Sep 9 2016 7:05 am EST

HOSPO- Right!

ColoradoMark


Fri Sep 9 2016 5:23 am EST

a rose is a rose, is a rose.....just an echo in the valley.....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 9 2016 12:35 am EST

CM -Penny? Penny? Penny? right?.... Didn't even notice it..sorry all.......

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 10:05 pm EST

The NA team is young and full of youthful energy (aah, I sorta recall those days) 3) Chara anchored the Euro backline looked horrid 4) There was zero physicality - once the games mean something, the NA team will be vulnerable to physical play (I tihnk).

RF4L


Thu Sep 8 2016 10:03 pm EST

Watched about a period of the NA vs Europe exhibition game and saw Miller play well defensively and then block a shot with the open palm side of his glove and immediately leave the ice never to return. Hopefully, he didn't break some bones with that stupid move. As per the game, the NA team basically skated circles around the Europe squad who looked old and slow, which isn't surprising because 1) it's an exhibition game 2)

RF4L


Thu Sep 8 2016 9:28 pm EST

Hospo- that was very Sheldon Cooper of you!

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 8 2016 8:37 pm EST

MF - With VESEY/BUC/PRRI at wing, I think you can guarantee HAYES will be the 3rd C...The problem is ..other then his passing, he's nit a good center in terms of D, FOs etc..But he's an even worse wing...Too bad it isn't open ass pond hockey, Hayes would be a star....Bit maybe he pulls it together this season.....MELLVILE - I think MILLER will now succeed at wither wing or, his natural position which is center...I think he ahs the confidence and mojo now...Look for him to be a leader on this team

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 8:37 pm EST

MF - With VESEY/BUC/PRRI at wing, I think you can guarantee HAYES will be the 3rd C...The problem is ..other then his passing, he's nit a good center in terms of D, FOs etc..But he's an even worse wing...Too bad it isn't open ass pond hockey, Hayes would be a star....Bit maybe he pulls it together this season.....MELLVILE - I think MILLER will now succeed at wither wing or, his natural position which is center...I think he ahs the confidence and mojo now...Look for him to be a leader on this team

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 8:37 pm EST

MF - With VESEY/BUC/PRRI at wing, I think you can guarantee HAYES will be the 3rd C...The problem is ..other then his passing, he's nit a good center in terms of D, FOs etc..But he's an even worse wing...Too bad it isn't open ass pond hockey, Hayes would be a star....Bit maybe he pulls it together this season.....MELLVILE - I think MILLER will now succeed at wither wing or, his natural position which is center...I think he ahs the confidence and mojo now...Look for him to be a leader on this team

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 8:08 pm EST

Miller has found a home as a wing. Do NOT move him. Either Hayes makes it or he's gone.

MelvilleFred


Thu Sep 8 2016 8:02 pm EST

Hospo, seems like we may have Hayes or JTMiller at 3rd line center by default.. IF we can clear some of the clutter, push a guy like Fast to the 4th, I still have Hanzal on the Dopler....

mf


Thu Sep 8 2016 6:21 pm EST

TDCHI - But Pirri isn't a center either..It would be nice to have an actual center, one who can take FOS on the 4th line..At least Jooris has more experience..God forbid ZIBA gets hurt, which is likely the way he plays..

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 5:55 pm EST

Stevielegs.......thanks for the Link....ill just say that Stephen A is an asshole.....

MelvilleFred


Thu Sep 8 2016 4:55 pm EST

MSG does not abide honest criticism of any of their teams or properties by MSG employees. Whoever replaces Cerny will Behave just like he did or be fired. That's the way they operate there.

Bob


Thu Sep 8 2016 4:55 pm EST

MSG does not abide honest criticism of any of their teams or properties by MSG employees. Whoever replaces Cerny will Behave just like he did or be fired. That's the way they operate there.

Bob


Thu Sep 8 2016 4:28 pm EST

Guess my point, re: Cerny is that he had a lot of access, toed the company line all these years, but is now a free agent and can say pretty much whatever he wants about the team...re: GERBE - man, you're down on this guy! But I don't think Cerny meant that he'll play or is penciled into the center's position...just that he'll be among the top 14 still with the team come opening day. Honestly, I think PIRRI might be the guy to move to the middle on fourth until LINDBERG comes back...and that's assuming Lindberg isn't ready to go when the season starts. Sure sounds like he's optimistic about making game one.

tdchi


Thu Sep 8 2016 4:00 pm EST

Hospo- Yeah I know, but, like, Cerny was employed by MSG to do "puff" pieces. That was his job. There are a lot of other people who's job it has been to ask tough questions, call people out, investigate what really is going on and so forth. What should Cerny have done, uploaded a clip at NYR.com where he rants about AV playing Glass or Girardi despite being injured? That's like a security guard at a mall buying bugging equipment online to start a clandestine surveillance operation against a customer that he thought looked suspicious. I actually always thought that Cerny really cared about the fans and tried to give us a good product, kind of always liked the dude. Honest and hard working.

Ola


Thu Sep 8 2016 3:47 pm EST

http://usuncut.com/resistance/entire-seattle-seahawks-roster-will-protest-national-anthem-sunda/

stevielegs


Thu Sep 8 2016 1:57 pm EST

TDCHI - Honestly, I know CERNY has had the best access to the Rangers, but i rarley have found him to be right or have much insight...And I'll take him a little more seriously whn he puts somebody at 4th center who has on more than 5 FOs over the past two years...oh, ok, we'll just throw the GERBEL there!

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 11:35 am EST

Know some of you aren’t fond of him, but Cerny is arguably the “media” guy who has had the greatest access to the Rangers…and today on Twitter, he’s had some interesting(albeit not too surprising) insight into the Rangers for the coming season. His picks for starting forwards: F-Stepan, Zibanejad, Hayes, Nash, Kreider, Zucc, JT, Fast, Grabner, Vesey, Buch, Gerbe, Pirri If a 14th F-Glass, Jooris, Jensen, Hrivik…Picks for starting D: D-McDonagh, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Klein, Holden, McIlrath…re: Giradi and Staal: “I'd expect both to at least be much healthier to start the season this year, and that should help a lot…I'm not here to make excuses, but Dan Girardi pushed through injury and a ton of pain last year, probably played when he shouldn't have.” …On the D this season “Without hearing from AV or Gorton on this I'd say Skjei & Holden are solid additions and no big move is on horizon”…On if there was an issue with last year’s locker room dynamic: “No, I believe it was a good group...but it's good to shake up the mix when a group has been together for a while IMO”….On if McIlrath will get a shot at the sixth defender spot: “I would think he gets that shot, but that's a question for AV when camp starts”…On Pirri signing: “If Pirri can stay healthy--and that's been an issue for him in NHL--then I really like upside of that signing” …On the possibility of a Rick Nash trade: “I’m not in Gorton's inner circle so can't say for sure, but I think if Nash was to be traded it would have happened”…On who will break out: “I think I said this last year too, but Kreider is my pick to break out..his focus and intensity is improved” …On Jensen’s chances of making the team “at start of summer we thought either Jensen or Hrivik on team, now they are long(er) shots to do so.” On Tanner Glass: “Listen, Tanner played his role very effectively last season, starting with that game in Brooklyn after recall…not sure he is lock to make opening night roster because of improved depth up front.” On Buchnevich’s and Vesey’s prospect of staying with the team: “I think Buch may have more upside but more to prove, as well, so he's a ? I think Vesey is here”

tdchi


Thu Sep 8 2016 9:45 am EST

...and lastly this was an area that Boyle was also effective. It's just everywhere else.

E


Thu Sep 8 2016 9:42 am EST

HOSPO: for point of reference. It's not just F/O -/+ that we have to talk about. In the vacuum face offs winning is a useless stat. You can lose every draw against a horrible possession team and it would be a non-factor stat. What good is it to win a defensive zone draw if you pump it around the dasher and back to mid ice to the other team? I'd rather have a disorganized scrum on the walls then a team circling back at the redline for a set play as they enter the zone. One of the other reasons I am such a proselyte about possession. It's the name of the game. Win the F/O and exit the zone with the puck. Long stretch passes cause the other teams defenders to back out of the zone to stay in the lanes. The scary teams can win a F/O in the o-zone and quickly fan out, move the puck around, corral up your 5, and get those high % scoring opportunities. As was completely on display against PIT last spring. This is one area that the New York Rangers will miss Yandle in a big way. You could draw the puck back to him and use a set breakout and he had the skill and ability to find the seam and remove the danger. Who on the New York Rangers are going to be reliable this season? Girardi? Eegads! Staal? Even worse! Klein? Sometimes. McD and Skjei? Yes, but they aren't nearly polished enough to consistently tilt the ice the other way. So, long winded the F/O is crucial. Even though some stats guys argue against it. But those same guys always have a hard on for possession numbers. And they are frankly of nearly equal weight in my stupid opinion. So, you point out F/O and I agree. But I point out possession off the draw. Something that the New York Rangers defense May seriously struggle with big time this season.

E


Thu Sep 8 2016 9:07 am EST

Guess talkerella is getting some heat ...http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17486582

stevielegs


Thu Sep 8 2016 8:34 am EST

Problem is, there are too many damn forwards..A trade could make things much more manageable.....Another problem is both Vesey and BUCH have been kinda promised rolls on the squad and both are a waste on a 4th line...Vesey is the more important guy to please...BUCH MAYYY not be physically or mentallly ready to play/live in AMerica and the NHL surface...IFFFF that's the case I don't give a shit whether he goes back to Russia or just to the AHL for a few months like MOST players have done and have been rewarded..And if BUCH plays the DIVA shit and says he going back to the U...S...S...R., good riddance fuck face.....BOB _Yep, ias is, benn saying CLENDENNING for a long tim......ugh...And If GERBEL is in he lineup, it will be a diservvice to the rest of the team...The guy was ATROCIUS last year outside the PK.............y the way, Rangers have find anybody that can win a damn FO after ZIBA? Gonna be the worst in the League..really helps a team that is terrible in puck possesion and can't draw penalties..

Hospo


Thu Sep 8 2016 7:33 am EST

BUCHNEVICH has a clause in his contract that will let him go back to the KHL if he doesn't make the team...and that's exactly what he'll do. Player like that is pretty much gonna be stagnant in the AHL...keep in mind, he was a boy playing with men and putting up good numbers on a very bad team...the only reason I'd send Buch to the A is if he had a lot of difficulty switching to the smaller ice surface...but with his style of play, I don't see that as an issue either...what he needs is to adjust to the speed of the game...and he's not going to do that in the AHL...so if the Rangers do demote him, IMO, it'll be because they don't feel he can contribute regularly...the team has been on record that they thought he was ready for prime time LAST season, so I just don't see much or any likelihood that he'll get demoted(i.e. sent back to Russia) unless there's just a total meltdown of sorts. I don't think either he or VESEY will be taking a trip to the A unless there's a total cluster F...

tdchi


Thu Sep 8 2016 7:03 am EST

Yeah, AV has mixed youth and development success. But I think Buch is gonna get a wide lane to learn. There is gonna be some real growing pains for him. But his upside is also significantly higher then anyone else that's come down the pipe in a long time.

E


Thu Sep 8 2016 5:55 am EST

E supposedly they can send him down but he can leave if it's over a certain amount of time . Hopefully the kid is ready for the nhl and they stay out of a messy situation. But this coach has his own set of rules with kids. Only quickie fast fits his concepts of what he wants . ... That's why I doubt Big Mac gets 40 games so gorton will be forced to trade him , or possibly lose him and get nothing in return for a #1 pick.

stevielegs


Thu Sep 8 2016 3:49 am EST

Nice try HOSPO-but you newest man man Gerbel will be in the lineup most nights. you will likely spend less time complaining about Hayes when Gerbel and Glass are lineup regulars in the place of Lindberg and other yoots on the roster. Remember who the coach is? Donn Clendenon will be playing ahead of McIlrath too. Book it.

Bob


Wed Sep 7 2016 11:43 pm EST

TDCHI - As for Jensen-Lindberger-Grabner..Yeah maybe it's a stretch ..but here's my thinking...GERBEL flat out sucks and and will fall by the wayside early...Jooris is a ball of nothing and a black ace..Laperierre either sucks ort goes back ti Swiss....Vesey? Top 9.....BUCH? not ready for prime time...Rangers convince to go to Hartfrod for a few month...and there ya have it...Except,..Just like lbefore, I forgot we had PIRRI !!!!!...I still think there will be a trade or two including forwards to strengthen the D........As for TORTS, I just don't have the strength...He cnan be an ass but .....ove the guy..And I know he couldn't give two shits bout what the media or pissant fans think about him or the job he's doing with that team.....

Hospo


Wed Sep 7 2016 11:10 pm EST

I thought Buch was on basically a 1-way agreement. I mean he can just leave if the New York Rangers so that.

E


Wed Sep 7 2016 9:44 pm EST

tdchi.......that was brilliant thanks for sharing.

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 7 2016 8:41 pm EST

TD: Who's on 3rd?

mf


Wed Sep 7 2016 7:16 pm EST

Hospo - GRABNER-LINDBERG-JENSEN would be a very solid fourth line...and I'd love to see it together at some point...but for that to happen, we'd need one of three things to happen: A trade liquidating some of our excess forwards, GERBE and PIRRI to get cut(along with JOORIS, LAPIERRE and GLASS), or both VESEY and BUCHNEVICH to start the year in Hartford. Right now, I'm not sure any of those three things happen.

tdchi


Wed Sep 7 2016 7:12 pm EST

Thanks for the effort Vic, but some of us can't get through the impossibly tough mathematics questions required to register ;)

tdchi


Wed Sep 7 2016 7:11 pm EST

This is an great piece of sports journalism. Tough, emotionally jarring, but great: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnet-magazine-lokomotiv-khl/

tdchi


Wed Sep 7 2016 7:03 pm EST

Torts is a blowhard. All he's doing now is his usual deflection business. Truth is, the U.S. is going to have one hell of a time getting through 1. Canada, 2. North America, 3. Any of the other teams not named Team Europe or the Czechs. The North American team might have taken a player or two away from Canada...but the U.S.? They got shorted some serious talent...and with a coach like Torts? Good luck, boys. Torts is preemptively making the story about him so that when the U.S. gets slapped around, people will still be talking about how he'd sit a player for sitting through the Anthem. Truth is, I don't think there's a professional hockey player who would sit for any anthem...soooooo...much ado about nothing. Except that it's a miracle Tortorella is still relevant in hockey.

tdchi


Wed Sep 7 2016 6:33 pm EST

Vic....thanks for setting up the survey. I'm in as Melville..... 😎🍺

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 7 2016 6:10 pm EST

So one question from Vic to share. ...will Big Mac be traded.... My response is yes..... Not to be mixed up with my opinion of him.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 7 2016 3:10 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/lindberg-hip-its-starting-feel-pretty-good

stevielegs


Wed Sep 7 2016 3:09 pm EST

I see folks are registering. That is great but I just want to reiterate that you should register your name as your Wall name otherwise I won't know who you are when we post the results. Use the First Name field only. You can ignore the last name. If you have already registered with something other then your Wall Name in the First Name field please email me what it should be at admin@rfccjc.com. Thanks!

Vic


Wed Sep 7 2016 1:07 pm EST

If anyone has any questions or problems you can post them here or email them to admin@rfccjc.com.

Vic


Wed Sep 7 2016 1:06 pm EST

With all that said, the link to the survey is: http://rfccjc.com/survey/index.php/695154?lang=en

Vic


Wed Sep 7 2016 1:03 pm EST

Let me restate a few things for folks who missed it when I posted a month or so ago how this was going to work this year. First and foremost, I care about your privacy. The survey and site do not track your IP Address. I don't care who you are. But if you still aren't comfortable with that I can post the questions here and allow folks to answer here but I can promise you it will be much more painful for both of us. I would rather you go out and download the Tor Browser to anonymize your IP Address. The NSA may still know who you are but I sure won't. I will be posting the general link to the survey. When you go to that page you are going to have to register with a name (please use your Wall name) and an email address. Go get a fake address if you don't want me or anyone else to see what your real email address is. It takes seconds to register a fake gmail address. Once you register you will receive an email message that contains your personal link/token for the survey. DO NOT SHARE EITHER WITH ANYONE. Anyone who uses that link/token can edit your answers. You can continue to use that link/token to edit your answers right up until the deadline when the survey will be closed. The deadline will be just before the players report for camp. There are 20 questions in the survey this year. You don't have to complete the entire survey at once. You can save it and come back later to finish by using the same link/token.

Vic


Wed Sep 7 2016 12:52 pm EST

ESPN did a piece on this and this was their take. Kap plays in a league that is privately owned. So, like any job they have the right to ask you to do something along the lines of a reasonable person standard. If not, they are allowed to discipline you within reason. Given the very visible nature of the NFL they tend to tread lightly and minimally interfere with political stances so that they don't alienate viewers. But the NFL if they could would step in immediately if there was no flashback. What Kap is doing right now is to me the biggest non-story going on. A second string talent who is creating way more visibility then he ever would. So here is a clip board and an ear piece Kap. Enjoy the season.

E


Wed Sep 7 2016 12:50 pm EST

Ok, it is time to launch the pool questions for this year. Hopefully I've worked out all of the kinks and the system will work as I intended. I've implemented Lime Survey on the rfccjc.com site. You cannot get to it from the main site. I will post the link for it here so that you can register and fill out the survey. The reason why I did this was to limit anyone who isn't from here accidentally finding it and participating. It isn't that I don't want people to join in the fun. But the purpose of this thing was for it to be fun for our faithful Wall crawlers, both posters and lurkers alike. Everyone who is reading this is welcome to participate. If you want to share it with a family member or friend that is fine as well. It is all in good fun.

Vic


Wed Sep 7 2016 12:47 pm EST

Mellville...........that's because it's not about the "cause" ,it's all about HIM ! Trust me.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Sep 7 2016 12:26 pm EST

Kaepernick has a Constitutional right to sit. So what has he accomplished.....there is NO Dialogue about Police Brutality that I know of only thing anybody is talking about is Kaepernick. If he wants to make an impact let him start contributing the $1M he has promised and I would suggest working with the Police and inner city youth of Oakland. His stature there might actually have some positive impact. Also of interest is that he has found this spiritual awakening since dating his Egyptian hip-hop DJ.....just sayin'

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 7 2016 12:13 pm EST

Love to see Lindberger healthy and winning the 4th C over Jooris and Laperierre (pretty sure the top 3 C are spoken for). on a gerbel free line........Jensen-Lindberger-Grabner???

Hospo


Wed Sep 7 2016 11:45 am EST

So Torts is at it again. Fine by me. Freedom of speech and expression is precious and I don't care when people do stuff like Kapeaernick and Rapinoe. I will always stand myself and that is what I concern myself with.

Bob


Wed Sep 7 2016 11:28 am EST

Per Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown..... Team USA Leadership Committee duties: ....1. Leading ....2. Anthem-standing practice. ....3. Making sure Phil Kessel doesn't sneak in ....4. MORE LEADING

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 7 2016 11:22 am EST

Per SNYTV.... Oscar Lindberg is skating at the Rangers training center.... http://buzztap.com/-6dkA62

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 7 2016 11:07 am EST

Torterella's son is an Army sargeant (I think) and overseas currently - that probably is what prompted him to speak out here. It's as much to do with verbally supporting his boy as much as anything else I suspect.

RF4L


Wed Sep 7 2016 9:57 am EST

Same I love Torts. lol Man puts it out there whether you like him or not. He is no BS. He stands up for what he believes. He has always hide pride in the organization or his country.

KIS


Wed Sep 7 2016 9:30 am EST

stivielegs....interesting question, he's definitely put the higher ups in a quandry, I'm not sure why he went on record with this....he could have just done it once or if it happened.

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 7 2016 9:27 am EST

Gotta Love Torts..... it was a boring Hockey stretch so this is refreshing. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-says-hell-bench-any-player-who-sits-for-national-anthem.html

MelvilleFred


Wed Sep 7 2016 8:03 am EST

TDCHI, -- Thanks. Yup, thought I heard something about additional games being streamed for free this year... but, you're right, it's twitter, not youtube. I'll take what I can get, ... especially with the "hockeystreams.com" debacle from last season.

hipcheck


Wed Sep 7 2016 7:26 am EST

will he get fired ?...what if the whole team sits?........"If any of my players sit on the bench for the national anthem, they will sit there the rest of the game," Tortorella told ESPN's Linda Cohn on Tuesday.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 7 2016 4:24 am EST

Team USA hockey coach says he'll bench any player who sits for national anthem http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/09/07/team-usa-hockey-coach-says-hell-bench-any-player-who-sits-for-national-anthem.html

RF73


Tue Sep 6 2016 10:54 pm EST

VIC - From a non-professional, seeing Hayes play and looking at his chocken legs, I don't think gym work is secondary for him..Stronger legs and a stronger core will give him more power, better baance, better skating, etc. but, He needs all that other stuff also.....He's a goof but,Gotta admit, it looks like he's been working hard this summer....Thats' a good sign, especailly fr his attitude..........so, how many RANGERS in the WORLD CUP thang? 5??? MCD, The King, Zucc , Step and Miller?

Hospo


Tue Sep 6 2016 8:39 pm EST

https://twitter.com/BarSouthNCelly/status/773294315925897216

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 6 2016 4:18 pm EST

Girardi: Have you waived yet? Summer time has come and gone........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdPOAhBp2Ag

mf


Tue Sep 6 2016 1:54 pm EST

PUCK: Hopefully he has been working his ass off on his skating. He needs to work on his quickness, agility, balance, power skating and conditioning. Everything else in the gym is helpful but secondary.

Vic


Tue Sep 6 2016 1:45 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/kevin-hayes-summer-workout-video/199847848

puckyou


Tue Sep 6 2016 1:27 pm EST

hipcheck - think you might be getting confused...I know Twitter is going to broadcast select games...but I think that's the best we can hope for right now.

tdchi


Tue Sep 6 2016 12:43 pm EST

Sorry last link very old could not find any further links in regards to NHL games.

Louie


Tue Sep 6 2016 12:40 pm EST

Sat Sep 3 2016 2:44 pm EST Am I hearing right? All live NHL games will be broadcast for FREE on YouTube this year? That can't be right? hipcheck http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-02-22/google-s-youtube-says-it-s-negotiating-to-broadcast-live-nba-nhl-games

Louie


Tue Sep 6 2016 7:03 am EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/henrik-lundqvist-pain-puck-ribs-serious-article-1.2779180

ges999


Tue Sep 6 2016 6:23 am EST

lb on what he thinks about a good coach ..."The Mets play hard, and they play hard for Collins, a people person who not only refused to pile on Cespedes for playing a round of golf the morning of a game at Yankee Stadium (while nursing his quad) but endorsed his most important everyday player’s right to do so. A mutual trust flows between Collins and the playing personnel." The Mets have question marks aplenty at the top of the stretch. Collins isn’t one of them. There’s no quit in him or his team. No panic either."....http://nypost.com/2016/09/03/why-terry-collins-is-perfect-manager-for-these-mets/

stevielegs


Mon Sep 5 2016 7:29 pm EST

Versteeg will now be looking for a PTO..... Per theScore ‏@theScore ..... Kris Versteeg reportedly heading back stateside as Swiss deal falls through. http://thesco.re/2cuAoKp

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 5 2016 1:40 pm EST

yes sir m-007-oof ...dino.....not the flinstone one...yaba dabba don't....

stevielegs


Mon Sep 5 2016 1:03 pm EST

CryptoLegs: You playing "Matt Helm" again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqLVtMsTo8A

mf


Mon Sep 5 2016 8:45 am EST

butt off, canned, ass kisser.....anal eyes this or that....red eye.....freedom of depress....

stevielegs


Mon Sep 5 2016 4:44 am EST

I liked Cerny, can't complain too much on him for being a company man, since he like was a company man. Have bigger problems with reporters for stand-alone newspapers acting that way...

Ola


Sun Sep 4 2016 9:29 pm EST

Yes, he was canned. And yes, huge MSG kiss-up dude.

RF4L


Sun Sep 4 2016 8:59 pm EST

Been away and then working my butt off. Havent been on the wall that much. Did Jim Cerney get the boot? He's a typical insider, all over the Rangers and everything they do is wonderful, but he did an ok job at it. Anyone hear this?

WIOSA


Sun Sep 4 2016 3:19 pm EST

The Hockey Press® ‏@TheHockeyPress ........ #NHL NEWS: • Manny Malhotra retires and calls it a career. Canucks may offer him a job.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 4 2016 1:07 pm EST

Hip- I don't know, but it do sounds like you heard something wrong... ;)

Ola


Sat Sep 3 2016 2:44 pm EST

Am I hearing right? All live NHL games will be broadcast for FREE on YouTube this year? That can't be right?

hipcheck


Sat Sep 3 2016 1:24 pm EST

_Arc: McIlrath does have a big shot for sure. A friend of mine who watches the Pack all the time said last season at some point that McIlrath was good at the point when the puck was in the zone, and the Pack had control of the puck.The issue was when they had to transition to a defensive posture, he had issues dealing with the style of attack coming from the PKers and being the only Dman on the ice, also his acceleration isn't the greatest, he isn't the slowest guy out there, but he doesn't get up to speed quickly, so if he is set in the zone and the puck starts going the other way quick he is flat footed and not able to be as effective. If those things are still and issue, it may end up hurting to have him out there. he may however be really good for a 5 on 3...less chance of a team getting ahead of him and room to set up for a big shot.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 3 2016 12:21 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-former-predator-sabre-gaustad-expected-to-announce-retirement/

mf


Fri Sep 2 2016 6:51 pm EST

Ugh... It's so boring in the hockey world right now... So here are some of my fantasy trade proposals (if anyone cares to read them... I know fantasy trades annoy some people on the wall, so this is your fair warning to skip this post...)... #1. Girardi and Tambellini to Toronto for a second round pick. #2. Nash and a third round pick to Anaheim for Fowler and Nick Richie. #3. Zuccarello, Klein, and Fast to Winnipeg for Trouba and Kyle Connor. #4. Staal to Edmonton for Yakupov and a pick. Kreider-Stepan-Buchnevich, Miller-Zibanejad-Yakupov, Vesey-Hayes-Pirri, Grabner-Lindberg-Ritchie, McDonagh-Trouba, Fowler-Skjei, Holden-McIlrath. Wow... am I bored...

evets1980


Fri Sep 2 2016 4:56 pm EST

_Arc - Mac does have a good shot...so does Graves,(hardest in the AHL),,Unfortuantely, to me, Mcilrath doesn't have the lateral movement or agility to be a main PP point man,....Occasionally on the 2nd unit? No problem..

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 4:49 pm EST

arc if you are going to come here with logic and emotion expressing your opinion.....what's love got to do with it ?,....lol....SHOOT THE PUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....remember rozival.....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 2 2016 4:43 pm EST

Sather is also a prime example of an ex player.... Need a guy with some business sense and management knowledge... Scouts are for evaluating.... A NHL coach is more of a the natural progression to asst gm .... Not knocking drury the person . . I hope he can help the gm and coach get their jobs done a lot better...good luck with that...

stevielegs


Fri Sep 2 2016 4:34 pm EST

why the hell not try Big Mac at the point on the PP??? Before you go throwing up in your mouths just watch the kid shoot a couple of times. He's got a cannon back there, he ain't afraid to use it and most importantly he has a knack of Getting the puck through (especially the first guy) which is something sorely lacking in the rest of the options back there. Anyone that's played this game knows that getting the shot not blocked is a very unique skill. Just let him lose from up there. Sure as hell beats the perimeter passing hocus locus that were usually treated to. It's an option (when hell freezes over). Just sayin.

_Arc


Fri Sep 2 2016 4:16 pm EST

stevie: Well, there are many examples of players going directly to GM positions. At least Drury started where he started (forgot his title) and is now an assistant, not the GM. Sometimes it's done to help the individual career-wise. You gotta think that Gorton, unless the wheels fall off the Ranger bus, isn't about to retire, seeing as he only officially took over last summer. Therefore, one of two things could happen: Sather finally gets his incompetent ass out of the Ranger organization entirely and Gorton is promoted to president (or whatever Sather's role is now) and Drury takes over. Or Drury gets hired by another organization as GM (in a few years).

RF4L


Fri Sep 2 2016 3:57 pm EST

HOSPO: I do think a trade is forthcoming. But I also think it might not be the splashy kind. By the looks of things that may not be available. Or if it is the price tag is stupid. I also think Skjei will maybe have to stay on his offside. Kind of scary since the kid has how many games under his belt? Skejy. Up front there is good competition. Don't know how all that is going to flush out. A lot of mediocrity and frequent flyer mile guys.

E


Fri Sep 2 2016 3:51 pm EST

I think you gotta be a hockey guy. In the sense that you can evaluate talent and have good aptitude for the game. A step beyond a regular player but able to think and see more strategically. Have a good relationship with the GM, and be well connected in the league. I see AGM's far more often in teams boxes then GM's. So really Drury is just learning the business side of the NHL and do his time. And anytime someone mentions Messier my blood curdles. Not that I hate Messier or anything. I just really think the New York Rangers needed to purge themselves from that whole clique that made the NYR stale and forge a new identity. When I heard that Messier wanted to coach the New York Rangers after having not what drop of high level coaching I was pleading to the hockey gods to not let that happen. I'm sure Drury will be a fine AGM and may eventually be the New York Rangers GM or get a top job somewhere else. I'll say this. If I'm a new GM like Groton and I have a guy with the aptitude of Drury who I think is one of the brightest guys in the world of hockey I gotta be on my A-game because I think Drury has all the tools to be a very good GM.

E


Fri Sep 2 2016 3:35 pm EST

Just curious ... What qualifications does drury have to be asst gm ? ... Former Capt like messier ? ...reward for getting vesey to sign ? ... Officially in Good ole boys club ...

stevielegs


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:52 pm EST

VIC - More seriously, moving SKEJI over as a rook is almost setting him up for failure....Let him get a year under his belt before switching him to another side..

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:50 pm EST

VIC - as our old pal CHINSTRAP used to say....I just threw up in my mouth!!!!!...BODIE??? No thank you!! You been talking to TDCHI too much..:)..Now, if it was a year we were trying to tank and winning meant nothing....maybe..

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:38 pm EST

HOSPO: Don't forget about BODIE being in the picture on the left side as well. If they don't like any of the existing options on the right side and BODIE has a monster camp SKJEI could be moved to the right side with BODIE taking on the role of the puck mover on the left side. He can't be any worse then BOYLE defensively and the little I've seen of him so far I really like the way he joins the play in the offensive zone.

Vic


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:21 pm EST

RF4L - I can see that with Girardie, but even if it works he's only gonna be more of steady defensive D-man...Where does the Puck mover come from? Not Mcilrath...the two current otions are moving SKEJI over to the RHS (NO!!!!! and leavin Staal and Holden on the LHS--no puck movers there)) or trying to get it out of this guy Clendenning ( PLEASE NO!!! but I can see AV trying it)......They have to look..might not like what they see, but all avenues must be looked at

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:09 pm EST

Hospo: I am beginning to think Gorther is crossing his fingers and hoping Girardi's struggles last year were an aberration and he rediscovers enough of his former self to be a regular in the top 4. That may be asking a lot, but who knows. If he does manage to recover, it's also reasonable to surmise he becomes somewhat tradeable, too, although the NMC crap cannot be dismissed as easily as Sather dismisses the value of draft picks. I think if NMCs were that easy to circumvent, Staal would have been traded this summer. All that said, I do concur the issue about offense from the defense is a significant one with no easy answer hiding in the weeds. This may be something Gorther has no choice but attempt to address during the season. In some ways it might be easier because you have a better understanding on how the team and individual players are performing - right now it's pure conjecture and coming off a middling season I suspect the value on many of the assets Gorther would like to move aren't high (for obvoius reasons).

RF4L


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:04 pm EST

TD: You may be right about no trades coming. It just feel like another cluttered and unfocused camp and preseason if they don't make at least one significant move. Not good IMHO but who knows. HOSPO: I do have questions about opening night and there are questions regarding trades that could go down once camp starts. So I think all submissions have to be final before camp starts and before the start of the World Cup because injuries also play into this. I think what I'll do is test out some things and take it live by Wednesday next week. That would still leave a week for everyone to get their picks in and make changes. And if anyone has any more suggestions for questions please post them. I have 20 questions right now.

Vic


Fri Sep 2 2016 2:02 pm EST

TDCHI - And look how well that worked last year! Take awaay KIng's period of utter brilliance in the first 15-20 games, ans the Rangers were one of the poorer (.500) teasm in the entire...I would think a different strategy should be considered since the same moronic coach is onboard...Personally, I think they are still looking for a deal for a D-man....No way they want to go into the season with two of Girardi/Mcilrath/Clendenning in the top 6 RHS...or having to switch SKEJI over to the right side as a rookie....He's got enough facing him.

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 1:36 pm EST

Rangers go a B-grade From Dobber(down from a B+ last season. Of course, he's rating the team on "fantasy value" --a bit different than ranking the team's actually aptitude: "The forwards corps just got a whole lot more crowded because four regulars are gone but six have been brought in. To say nothing of rookie Pavel Buchnevich. And by the same token, the defensemen just got a lot shallower as they lost two regulars and only brought in one (though maybe Coach Alain Vigneault will like Clendening, who knows)." See: http://www.dobberhockey.com/hockey-home/the-dobotomy/dobbers-offseason-fantasy-grades-new-york-rangers/ The bottom line is that it opens the door wide open for prospect defensemen but shoves the doorstop under the crack when the prospect forwards try to get in. So while rookies Jimmy Vesey and Pavel Buchnevich – both very deserving of roster spots – will have a tough time getting the ice time they need, a rookie defenseman such as Brady Skjei will get a long look (not to mention almost-rookie Dylan McIlrath). The offense was disappointing for the Rangers last season as they managed just three forwards with more than 45 points, so the idea here is to create some hunger."

tdchi


Fri Sep 2 2016 1:33 pm EST

Vic - I'm not convinced anymore that they're gonna make a deal...remembering back to the beginning of last season and the season before, it was the same clusterf@ck of a camp...all kinds of detritus from other teams...marginal NHLers scrapping over the bottom line spots...seems to be the style with Sather/AV/Gorton...bring too many pieces in, throw them up in the air and see where they land...but who knows? Maybe it's the last gasps of summer that's tying things up. I know if my workplace is like a ghost town right now...everyone getting in the last of their summer vacay before the real work begins in the fall. My guess is the standard front office of an NHL team ain't much different. Maybe even moreso....lot of unsigned players yet...lots of high-ticket RFAs without contracts. Lots of question marks. And then the worlds just two and a half weeks away...

tdchi


Fri Sep 2 2016 1:23 pm EST

VIC - No problem in waiting...I'd wait til at least the start of camp or, better yet, opening night, unless you will have qestions about the starting line up..Otherwise opening night makes sense..

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 1:14 pm EST

So, I have been holding off on going live with the questions for this years' Texas Pick'em contest. I thought all along that once VESEY signed somewhere the Rangers would go ahead and make some deals because they would have more clarity regarding where they stand against the Cap. It hasn't happened and I've still got this feeling that there is going to be at least one deal prior to the start of camp. If I go ahead and publish the questions they are pretty much set in stone. Does anyone have a problem with that? There are about two weeks until the start of camp. I had planned to have the survey live well before now but......

Vic


Fri Sep 2 2016 1:09 pm EST

E: Yes Nash could escape say in Carolina easier than in NYC but NYC pales in comparison to the scrutiny NHL players get - especially star, big $$ earning players - in Canadian markets, from both the media and the fans.. There is just no comparison. Hell, look at the NYC media's collective gonad-less in virtually all angles of reporting when it comes to Ranger players and management. It's actually downright shameful. And many players have said they can enjoy the NYC nightlife without being recognized very often. Absolutely no way is that the case in Canada, especially in Toronto and Montreal. It's the opposite and actually at times borders on insanity. I actually don't blame Nash for wanting to avoid it. My point wasn't so much that, however, as much as it was to state it fits his personality from what I can see - he doesn't like pressure and that's one of the big reasons why I believe he disappears come PO time.

RF4L


Fri Sep 2 2016 11:17 am EST

Anf for any of you ulta Fockers posting Youngblood yesterday, ...... here's a non-hockey for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICr9lfWq3yY

mf


Fri Sep 2 2016 10:50 am EST

E: regarding your "time & space: post from two days ago..... enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J99HEY67hc

mf


Fri Sep 2 2016 10:41 am EST

I think 03 was the first year so it's been a longtime

E


Fri Sep 2 2016 10:32 am EST

BTW and speaking of General Managers...The RFC Fantasy Hockey League is getting ready to crank up what I think is at least it's 10th season. Maybe 11th or 12th...I'll be sending out the invite sometime either later tonight or tomorrow, so we can start to hammer out when the live draft will be...Not sure if we have any vacancies this year after last year's full deck...usually we always have a couple....but if you're a regular GM and you don't receive an invite from Yahoo...say by Monday...Chime in here and remind me that you haven't gotten one. Look forward to seeing y'all back!

tdchi


Fri Sep 2 2016 10:27 am EST

Kind of 'meh' news, but on a slow news day? I'll bite. Always liked DRURY, save for when he was eliminating us from the playoffs as a Sabre. Don't really know how big of a role he'll have for AGM or what he'll have his hands on, but Drury is a smart guy and well measured. He's loved the organization since he was a kid. Not sure how good he is at judging talent, but I don't think he's a bad pick for the position. Does anyone know who, if anyone, he's replacing? Is this a backfill of Gorton's position?

tdchi


Fri Sep 2 2016 9:57 am EST

WOW on DRURY...Supposedley he was a huge reason VESEY picked the Rangers...Good for him and Rangers, smart hockey guy...Can he teach somebody how to win a FO?

Hospo


Fri Sep 2 2016 9:42 am EST

RF: I'd agree with some of that if Nash played for a small market team that he could disappear. But he plays for the New York Rangers. And outside of TO or Montreal Canadians I'm not sure the media can excoriate you much more and on such a scale as it can in NYC. At least not in hockey. He ain't playing for the Panthers.

E


Fri Sep 2 2016 9:13 am EST

New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have promoted Chris Drury to Assistant General Manager. Press Release: http://nyrange.rs/2bQgK8N

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 2 2016 9:13 am EST

New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have promoted Chris Drury to Assistant General Manager. Press Release: http://nyrange.rs/2bQgK8N

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 2 2016 8:05 am EST

and none in over 30 years...... Dave Stubbs βœ” ‎@Dave_Stubbs Happy 73rd birthday to Glen Sather, winner of four 1980s Cups with #Oilers. @HockeyHallFame 1997, Builders category

stevielegs


Fri Sep 2 2016 7:59 am EST

This was to be expected..... Per Joe McDonald ‏@ESPNJoeyMac....... Chris Drury will be named assistant GM of the New York Rangers today, according to a league source. http://es.pn/2bYekXg

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 2 2016 6:52 am EST

Moofballs who did he state that too ? So far it doesn't look like gorton can find any team to trade him to and get a fair deal. That big easy name might be the problem . He needs a coach to kick him in the ass not wipe it.

stevielegs


Thu Sep 1 2016 10:14 pm EST

No Nash doesn't like pressure - doesn't like being the go-to guy with expectations on a winning club and/or where fan and media attention is intense. It's the opposite of less than zero. And it's why he disappears in the POs.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 7:42 pm EST

Trade- Don't forget wash down the duffs with sime sundowner action (or pure platinum). Those were the days!!!

_Arc


Thu Sep 1 2016 7:10 pm EST

Nash might've just wanted to pay for healthcare.

E


Thu Sep 1 2016 5:25 pm EST

Mf. No. He had that stipulation 4 years ago when Sather got him. The Canadian $ was fine then.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 5:03 pm EST

Probably because of the Canadian dollar.......

mf


Thu Sep 1 2016 4:37 pm EST

Re: NASH -All moot, since what Winnipeg wants is either a righty defenseman to take TROUBA'S spot on third pairing or prospects/picks they can use when some of their studs get too pricey.

tdchi


Thu Sep 1 2016 4:04 pm EST

Ranger47: No, he hasn't. I suspect he's got no desire to face the intense media and fan attention that comes with playing for any Canadian NHL team, especially when you're considered one of the team's top players and get paid that way. It's not surprising when you see how his offensive game (which ultimately is why he's making all those $$) tends to disappear when the stakes are high (i.e. the POs). Some people just cannot handle the pressure that's associated with such situations. That he's so aware of it is actually quite interesting - I wonder if he ever experiences any guilt when he cashes his large cheques all winter long.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 3:07 pm EST

TD: Yep, the same with the alleged Pronger salary. And Datsyuk is an empty salary - a cap hit but because he fled to Russia, no actual wages being paid.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 3:06 pm EST

Has Nash ever stated WHY he won't go to a Canadian team? I mean he has represented Team Canada. It kind of makes no sense to me.....

Ranger47


Thu Sep 1 2016 2:52 pm EST

Legs4Brains: Nash stated he would not go to a Canadian team.....

mf


Thu Sep 1 2016 2:30 pm EST

Sooo....Yotes just got CROUSE for the price of putting BOLLAND on the LTIR....possibly into the foreseeable future...See: "Bolland is dealing with a pair of significant injuries, one to his ankle and the other his back. The ankle injury was sustained during his time with Toronto in 2013 but requires a lot of daily maintenance and the back issue is preventing that maintenance from happening. Bolland’s agent, Anton Thun, commented about the process: “There is a vertebra that is pinching a nerve so it’s not sending an electrical signal down to the ankle to provide that impulse to activate. Until his back is fully healed, it’s difficult to rehab the ankle. There’s nothing nefarious about this. It’s just a long process.” While the Coyotes have assumed the remaining three years of Bolland’s deal which carries a cap hit of $5.5MM as part of their acquisition of prospect Lawson Crouse, he will be placed on Long-Term Injury Reserve to start the season; as a result, they will only wind up being responsible for 20% of his actual salary.

tdchi


Thu Sep 1 2016 11:45 am EST

TD: So a first, a second, Klein and Graves for Trouba? That's waaaaaaay too steep a price to pay IMO. I'm glad you're not the Ranger GM!! ;^)

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 11:32 am EST

Klein was the most consistent and best all around D-man on the team, he shouldn't be traded for anything,...unless the Rangers tank..Personally, I think he's the type of D-man that can play at a high level for quite a few more years...Instead of dealing, I'd be exploring ways to resign...The guys you get rid of by next season are Staal, Girardi and maybe Mcilrath (if AV sticks)..

Hospo


Thu Sep 1 2016 11:27 am EST

TD: The Rangers simply cannot afford to trade 2 firsts and a second and I'm convinced Gorton won't do that, regardless of what assets might be attainable.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 11:15 am EST

RF4L – Still I bet the Jets would bite at a package very similar to the one the Flames paid for HAMILTON(two firsts and a second)…and while that sounds like a lot for a ‘compromised feeder system,’ the Rangers are a very young team and if you think like I do that TROUBA is a cornerstone defenseman, it makes sense to pull the trigger on that investment…that also gives you KLEIN to move to recoup a pick…or maybe add into the pot with someone like GRAVES to recoup a first rounder…Steep price to pay for a kid who hasn’t cleared 30 points from the blueline, but I really believe he’s going to be a star…If Gorton could get ahead of the curve on this kid, who gives a toss about the feeder system?

tdchi


Thu Sep 1 2016 10:39 am EST

IMO, a more realistic trade target is Ryan Ellis or Matt Dumba....

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 10:38 am EST

No way is Nash Winnipeg bound. First, I'm betting the Jets are on his no-trade list and second, the Jets don't want his contract. And even if he did agree to go there, the Rangers would probably have to eat $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 of his deal. Can't do that if they're gonna turn around and give Trouba the $$ he's apparently expecting.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 10:21 am EST

so nash for trouba ?....who replaces nash's points ? ...what d men have to go ? and how ? ....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 1 2016 9:40 am EST

TD: I see nothing as changed given that update. Trouba remains unsigned for the same reasons today as yesterday and what the Jets would ask in return should they move him is likely unchanged, too. He will cost plenty and more than the feeder system compromised Rangers can afford. I will say this, given Friedman's musings that getting Laine means a perceived hole in the offense has now been closed: The Jets demands may now be more focused on futures vs present, meaning perhaps they would ask for something like Kreider, Buch and a first. That's way too much for someone who's not yet proven his ability to play top pairing minutes and for a team that simply doesn't have a lot in its feeder system.

RF4L


Thu Sep 1 2016 9:28 am EST

Well, the hope for TROUBA to pull on a Ranger jersey went from non-existent to...well...non-existent...Of course, the one thing the Rangers DO have is a pair of very good young defensemen(GRAVES and SKJEI): The Winnipeg Jets and the camp for Jacob Trouba have still not been able to come to terms on a new contract for the restricted free agent, and NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman shared his latest intel on the situation during a Wednesday evening appearance on NHL Network. “I still think there’s some roadblocks there with Trouba,” said Friedman. “They announced their captains today. It was three guys there who signed long-term extensions with the team. Wheeler did it three years ago. Byfuglien did it last year. Scheifele did it this summer. I think there’s some question about Trouba too and this year. I don’t know where it’s going to go. “The one thing I do think is this, and I’ve been told this. Some teams that were trying to potentially talk trade with Winnipeg for Trouba… You know, when Winnipeg got Patrik Laine in the draft – they ended up second – it complicated the whole process. Because Winnipeg at one point in time was looking for scoring. Well now, they’ve got a tremendous young scorer. A guy who is going to be a stud in this league. So Winnipeg is looking at it and saying, ‘We don’t necessarily need that now.’ So a couple of teams have told me that Winnipeg getting Laine has complicated the entire process of getting a deal done there. “I’m not sure where that one’s going to go. But Winnipeg, I think, is looking at it and saying, ‘Hey, we don’t have as many needs now, so if you want to get Jacob Trouba off our hands, it’s going to have to be a great offer. We’re not just giving him away.’”

tdchi


Thu Sep 1 2016 7:50 am EST

Now I know why nyr put lady liberty on their jerseys...."Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

stevielegs


Thu Sep 1 2016 7:01 am EST

Well in other careers-that-went-off-the-rails news, the NHL won't have Scott GOMEZ to kick around any more...at 36, he's officially retired. I don't know what's the most surprising about this guy...how badly his career plunged after 30, the fact that a team actually traded FOR him...or that he put up 34 points in 58 games for the Devils a few seasons ago. Good luck, Scotty. Thanks for the memories...or rather thanks for McDonagh.

tdchi


Thu Sep 1 2016 6:50 am EST

Hospo - Hahaha...So you remember my soft spot for him too, eh? Tell you what: I'd extend a PTO to MUELLER long before LAPIERRE...but that said, he's a guy who couldn't make the Blues in 2014... and in a touch of irony, that was a team that featured Lapierre...so that right there says a little to me...his numbers in Switzerland weren't exactly great either last season...Put up some goals in SEL, but didn't exactly have the production I would expect from a player who still has some NHL games left in him...that said, he's supposedly willing to take a two-way contract now to prove himself...and if that's the case, I would absolutely love to have the guy as a fall-back in Hartford...though as it stands now, Hartford's roster is pretty jam-packed with players too...

tdchi


Thu Sep 1 2016 6:07 am EST

More gossip from my side of the Atlantic, Maxim Lapierre left Modo last season on a bad note. He played a lot and didn't perform and his coached called him out in front of the team. ML fought back and the coach gave him two alternatives, do as I say or get the hell out. ML stood up and walked out. Teammate Byron Richie got really pissed at him and went to the press and tore him apart. In Swedish: http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/sverige/shl/article22123583.ab

Ola


Thu Sep 1 2016 2:53 am EST

Hospo- I wish him the best, but I saw him a lot in Sweden and to be honest he shouldn't be in this league. Floater.

Ola


Wed Aug 31 2016 11:28 pm EST

Flash for TDCHI........heard on NHL Network that Peter MUELLER is looking to come back to the NHL after a few years in Europe,,A few teams are interested (don't know who) but he wants a one way NHL contraact...

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 10:13 pm EST

RF4L....I originally thought Niagra Falls....but then I figured that the first game in Vegas would be cool. If that doesn't work we can always catch a Rangers / Sabres game.....and then hit Duff's for some wings.....or maybe get a garbage plate

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 10:00 pm EST

E: Why would your wive attract orangutans???

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 9:59 pm EST

Trade: Sounds fab, except that when you floated the idea, you said Niagara Falls! That said, LV is a decent alternative in comparison.

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 9:17 pm EST

Orangutans spend up to six hours a day eating or foraging for food, could bring a smile to her face.....

mf


Wed Aug 31 2016 9:07 pm EST

E...I don't blame ya.........but in all seriousness...with the talent i will bring in.....i don't think anyone will want any wives there.....

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 9:01 pm EST

No, I fly... But I'm not letting you orangutans within 20 miles of my wife.

E


Wed Aug 31 2016 8:41 pm EST

E...u would make the drive through the desert for some dessert? ;-)

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 8:29 pm EST

Holy shite, That would be, not we be.... serves me right for being a wise-ass......

mf


Wed Aug 31 2016 8:28 pm EST

That we be Desert, not Dessert...... Count me in! ;-)

mf


Wed Aug 31 2016 8:13 pm EST

Sounds good but Ola is in Deutschland. Although he's pretty well traveled.

E


Wed Aug 31 2016 7:50 pm EST

RF4L.....I will be happy to organize the 1st Annual NY Ranger Fan Central Ball.....Here are my thoughts.....Everyone on here is invited.....(hopefully Ola brings 10 hot Swedish blondes).......It will be in Las Vegas and we will meet up 1 day before the first NY Rangers @ Las Vegas Dessert Knights game. Hopefully that game is scheduled in the Fall so we can get some football action in. I will host this shindig at The Wynn Encore Hotel in a 1800 sq ft Salon Suite. I will provide all of the talent/food/liquor for that night before the game and lets put it this way.....You do not wanna miss this NY Rangers party. Ofcourse the game the next night will be fun too.....we get to all watch the Rangers together and don't have to type on the Wall.....just yell it out!

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 7:06 pm EST

Cerny is a fine human. I even talked with him a few times. He just became too much of a company tool to have much a purpose for me. I know why he is every presser. It's just steering everything into rated-G lovefest regardless of what happened on the ice. So, as a fan I'm glad he's gone. But reality is they're just gonna replace him with someone else. And it wouldn't surprise me if they added some eyecandy with a mic to replace him.

E


Wed Aug 31 2016 5:29 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Agreed. Problem here is that folks expected him to be/thought of him as a journalist, not a PR guy. Did his job well. Supported the team. And besides, it always sucks to see a guy lose his job. I'm kind of curious what happened. Sounds a bit like he got laid off.

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:51 pm EST

Thank God we still have Schmoe Micheletti...... Damn that was close....

mf


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:49 pm EST

E - Exactly..good riddance ...I know he was just doing his job the way they wanted but he could have at least pushed the envelope a little,,

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:45 pm EST

Whatever you think of him, Cerny was a nice guy who was really good with the fans. JMO of course.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:33 pm EST

Good... Cerny was useless with no personality.

E


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:22 pm EST

Wonder what Cerny will put on his resume....

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:21 pm EST

That media business can be tough. Lots of turnover this season.

Bob


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:11 pm EST

Hospo - Sure we'll agree to disagree on this, but a healthy STAMKOS and there's no cup in Pittsburgh.

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:10 pm EST

Jim Cerny is now looking for a job as he will no longer be covering the NYR. It's kind of odd this offseason that so many of the guys that have long covered the team are no longer doing so.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 31 2016 4:10 pm EST

Small news: Jim Cerny got canned for whatever reason...

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:46 pm EST

I know that Zezel was the "skating double" for Rob Lowe but I don't know what Thomas did. Fun movie to watch though.....

RinkRat


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:36 pm EST

TDCHI - And what do those 4 guys (Gerbel, Grabner, Pirri and Jooris) all have in common? None of them came close to those "lofty" numbers last year...Just as likely to expect more of the same...

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:26 pm EST

Rinkrat - Bingo!

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:26 pm EST

TDCHI - The west team was inferior for one reason---because the Pitt team was superior and better than anybody...Nobody was going to beat Pitt last year...nobody...One of the best jobs by a coach and star player in a long time...And probably this year too...

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:10 pm EST

HOSPO - I know Eric Nesterenko played the Father in Youngblood. As mentioned earlier, Zezel was in it and I want to say another was Steve Thomas(??)

RinkRat


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:04 pm EST

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2016/08/role-call-brandon-dubinsky.html

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 3:00 pm EST

E - I don't think you can look at the Rangers' addition and say all they bring to their game is speed. They're all quick players...but I think the more important key here is that they are all quick two-way players. GERBE has two 16-goal seasons...GRABNER has a 30-plus goal season...JOORIS had 12 his rookie campaign...PIRRI had 20-plus...We shall see...I'm optimistic about this team and think they'll easily outstrip expectations....but I pretty much said the same thing last year at this time, so...But my gut feeling is that no team in the east or the NHL will match Tampa...outside of injuries, I just don't see a way around that team...this is their year to win...and it's the same EXACT team that has going to the conference finals two seasons in a row...I think if you're building a team, it's got to be equipped to go through them. And taking my optimists hat off for a second, I don't how the hell this Ranger team does that unless they get 180-degree turnarounds from GIRARDI, NASH, and STAAL, plus career seasons from KREIDER, MILLER, HAYES and ZIBANAJED...and then massive rookie campaigns from BUCH and VESEY...then all bets are off...Don't think they're one-and-done. Don't think they'll be fifth in the east as many are picking them(behind Pitt, Wash, Brooklyn and the Flyers).

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:50 pm EST

The 'key' to Pittsburgh's cup was facing a vastly inferior opponent from the west --one that had no business being in the finals --and not having to face STAMKOS in the east...

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:39 pm EST

That said I wonder if wives and girlfriends would be interested in a ball trade?!?!?

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:38 pm EST

Hospo: LOLOL...stop reading things so literally!

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:37 pm EST

E - part of the reason the Pens always had the puck also was their positional team defense..They were well coached and responsible, as well as quick to the loose puck..There is more than one way to win...and it starts with coaching and team play..The Rangers had neither last year

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:34 pm EST

Hospo, --- Pretty sure Peter Zezel was one. Not sure about the others? Youngblood is actually pretty decent. Obviously tons of 80's cheese, but it's a fun flick. Coach's daughter has a legendary rack! lol! ;-)

hipcheck


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:32 pm EST

HOSPO: Skilled, fast, big. The three traits. Speed only works if you are capable of possession. Without possession it means dick. I think speed is all the rage since the PIT win when all they could do is not stop blabbering about the speed of the Pens all night long in the media. But the key to that team was possession. It seemed like they played keep away the entire playoffs. They always had the puck. Then speed becomes dangerous. Who gives a flying unicorn if a guy is fast just for the sake of being fast. I'd take a slow guy who can never be separated from the puck any day over a fast guy who can't do anything once you put the puck on his stick. But I still advocate that the key to winning is to have a very big, fast team that takes away time and space all over the ice and maintains possession. But some advocates of speed only see half the picture. You can have the fastest team in the NHL that never touches the puck.

E


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:22 pm EST

what the hell is a "ball trade"?

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:21 pm EST

Speaking of Youngblood, without googling, name three former NHLers that were in the movie...

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:18 pm EST

BTW, are you organizing the first annual RFC ball trade? If so, are wives and girlfriends included?

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 2:09 pm EST

Hahaha......tru tru

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 1:54 pm EST

Trade: That's an incomplete quote I think...more accurate is 'do you wanna go for a pint pretty boy'.....

RF4L


Wed Aug 31 2016 1:45 pm EST

"do you wanna go, pretty boy?".........Hospo to RF4L at the 1st annual RFC ball up in Niagra Falls in 2020

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 1:44 pm EST

Hospo ...... Maxipad Lapierrere is a garbage can.....I would rather see the Rangers sign Racki from Youngblood than him.......

TradeStar28


Wed Aug 31 2016 12:41 pm EST

TDCHI - Don't get me wrong, I'd take Grabner and Jensen over ML..and I'd take a healthy Lindberger over him..But neither means anything bcasue the first two are wings and Lindberger is hurt....Gerbel flat out sucks but is a wing also so he doesn't matter..I'm not enamored with ML, I just think we need an alternative at CENTER to JOORIS...and given the rest of the Centers, preferably someone that can win FOs,.And there's nobody else right now..That's the only reason I kinda like him..give me somebody else and ML is out the window.

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 10:32 am EST

mf - I truly thought the Rangers were going to part with Rick NASH...really right up until the first few days after they signed VESEY...but every day that has passed since that time, it seems more and more likely that Nash will stay a Ranger at least until the trade deadline. Moving Nash now would be selling low...I don't know what they could get for him really...he didn't look bad last year, but his offense absolutely dried up...and the last thing a team is going to want is a guy making $7.8 million and struggling to net 20 goals...I think the Rangers are banking on him to turn it around...and then re-evaluate the situation around the deadline. If they're not in serious contention as many are suggesting, they'll probably move him then...HUDLER is a good player, but for Nash? That's not much of a stop gap. You know I'm no Nash fan...but the guy is at least a two-way forward. Hudler? Not so much...would have sucked to trade Nash for a second rounder and a mid-level prospect, have Hudler fill his shoes with his lack-luster defense and then watch Nash rebound with a 40 goal season...I'm hopeful the Rangers' young forwards step up this season and make Nash an afterthought...that way he CAN be moved...but moving him now...at this juncture in the season? Only if by moving him we're correcting an even bigger problem in the lineup.

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 10:23 am EST

Hospo - Certainly. But you're not going to sign a guy just to take faceoffs...and if the Rangers let Dom MOORE go, I just can't see why they'd sign LAPIERRE, unless his career has done a very abrupt 180. The guy is basically an agitator model of STOLL, which is one of the reasons why I can't wrap my head around why you'd want him...GRABNER, GERBE and JOORIS might not be agitators, but each is very defensively responsible...and each can put the puck in the net...I'd also take guys like JENSEN and HRIVIK over Lapierre...I don't think it's a coincidence the Rangers signed a bunch of bottom line guys who can contribute offense. We shall see.

tdchi


Wed Aug 31 2016 9:36 am EST

TDCHI - While speed is crucial, it's not everything..and you need players to do other jobs and that know how to play hockey..Otherwise you would have a roster a full of Rico Fata and Josh Jooris..

Hospo


Wed Aug 31 2016 7:54 am EST

E if veenyo incists on those 2 guys it will hasten his demise ...

stevielegs


Wed Aug 31 2016 7:01 am EST

I think the roster moves thus far and to date signify a dedication to getting a younger, faster roster, as well as a realization that this is a young man's sport. The Rangers tried Stoll, Paille, Moore, Glass, Etem and Stalberg on fourth last season, and the only one of those players still here is Glass...and that's because he's under contract...obviously Stalberg didn't have any problem with speed and Etem was no slouch...but the rest? Every bottom line player they've signed is fast. JOORIS is probably the slowest among them and he's above average speed for NHLers today...he'd blow the socks off of guys like Stoll, Moore and Glass...I think the best a guy like LAPIERRE can hope for is that he puts in 110 percent and the scouts in the stands see his effort and some other team signs him as a stop-gap...even GLASS is going to find himself in an uphill battle for a roster spot. There are just too many guys with skills the Rangers can use who can also score...the days of one-dimensional players are pretty much over.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:54 pm EST

I like the moxy that LaPierre brings. He can create waves. Although I don't think he is an NHL player any longer he is one of AV's pets like Glass. I'd expect him to be equally useless. But you never know. Get ready folks, the Glass and LaPierre line comes over the boards to never touch the puck.

E


Tue Aug 30 2016 6:03 pm EST

TD, I have posted that Hudler could be a stopgap if we were to trade Nash... IMO, Nash's days are numbered as a Ranger, I would be very surprised if he plays 1 game next season as a Ranger... We will see, tough to be patient... As for Lindburg, I think this kid has to play himself back into the lineup. May be easier said than done after dual hip surgery

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 6:02 pm EST

TDCHI - I agree that ML looked bad during that last PO, but I liked him every other time I saw him...Given that I think JOORIS is a small gob of nothing, it;s worth taking a look at Laperierre, if only for the FO ability

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 5:40 pm EST

Hospo - I think I can safely say 'WAS' a major thorn in LaPierre's case. My recollection of him from that playoffs was that he was an embarrassment. Just jawing...not even playing tough...taking a few cheap shots where he could. Maybe he found his zen in Europe, but I'd be very surprised if he did. I'd love LaPierre circa 2009. But man, the guy is a shell now. Doesn't have the speed to hit people like he used to...has absolutely ZERO offense left in him...40 games with the Pens, he had 2 assists and was -15. Sorry, but the dude will be luck if he gets a spot centering Hartford's fourth line. If the Rangers passed on Dom MOORE because of his speed, LaPierre is pretty much toast.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 5:33 pm EST

mf - Here's the thing with HUDLER: Where are you going to put him? This is a guy who is going to sign with a team that will skate him in the top nine. There is/was almost zero chance of that in New York, even before the VESEY signing. Like it or not, the Rangers' top six is pretty much cast in stone. I can't think of any of those players getting a different assignment, save for maybe MILLER if they decide HAYES and/or LINDBERG won't hack it as a third line center...but with the way Miller fit in with this group last year, I don't see that happening either...so then if you're Hudler, are you really going to want to sign with New York when you're seeing that there are basically three top-nine positions open...all of them are on third line AND there's a good chance that those three third-line positions are going to get eaten up by guys who the Rangers have already promised a roster spot(i.e. BUCHNEVICH and VESEY) AND three regulars(HAYES, LINDBERG and FAST)...if I'm Hudler and the Rangers offer me the same as Dallas, I sign in Dallas every time...PIRRI is a reclamation project, plain and simple. The guy looked like he was on the verge of breaking out in Florida...but then has a mediocre season, is let go for pennies on the dollar and then is ultimately scratched by the Ducks...in other words, his options were limited...a lot more limited than someone like Hudler. The only way Hudler made sense would be if NASH was dealt.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 5:26 pm EST

Hospo/mf: That's the only way I'd have been fine with Hudler's signing - if MZA had gone in a trade to address the defense/compromised feeder system. There's no need IMO for 2 players of the same ilk/size.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 5:22 pm EST

mf: Well obviously, Gorther doesn't agree with you....

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 5:21 pm EST

RF4L - I'v said for months, this team needs a higher asshole quotient! Sign Huddler, trade MZA! a good forward has to go for aq good d-man...

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:56 pm EST

Torts signed Stool to a PTO.

Bob


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:53 pm EST

moof veenyo does his duvall in the locker room...and during games.....he''s made an art form out of gum chewing....not going to tell you what smell he likes....it's not victory....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:52 pm EST

HOSPO: oh, im not one of those draft/youth cultists. They're all currency to me. I do like watching players breakout though. It's just one of the side stories that keep me interested.

E


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:40 pm EST

RF: we still have some cap room, Hudler would not have been difficult to fit..... And his 40-50 points would have been welcomed... OAN: We need to turn Nash into that PMD and turn Girardi & Staal into at least 1 top 3 forward and some picks.....

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:34 pm EST

Hudler is more than twice the cap hit vs Pirri. We already have Hudler - he's called the Hobbit.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:33 pm EST

Hospo: You do know it's Maxine Lapierre, not Ian Lapierrier, right? If it was the latter (and he was capable) I'd be all in. It's not - it's that asshole Maxine and I hope he's among the first cuts.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:32 pm EST

Dom Moore signs with the Bruins. Good guy - I care not that he's no longer a Ranger but nice to see him extend his career another year.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 4:25 pm EST

TDCHI- I have also seen Laperierre be a major thorn in the side to his opponents...he can also play defense and Take FOS,,But Saying I'll take him over Jooris is no big deal, the lesser of two evills.....And Stalberg I hated before last year but he won me over totally like no other Ranger in awhile......tenacious, could fly, could hit, always played D and backchecked, and could generate offense...Just had trouble puttiing the puck in the net....we lost a good playe,,a better all around player than Grabener IMWO...r,,,,and maybe the PK problems were more of a resuklt of scheme/coaching not players..and making thes focusing on PK a but absurd...We'll see...And Hudlr over the the apatheitc Pirri is a no brainer...But wait, he has a chip

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 3:25 pm EST

Smells like Victory!

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 3:24 pm EST

You guys are no fun..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jts9suWIDlU

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 2:55 pm EST

Hospo - Man, you're just longing for the Rangers to go geriatric! Seriously though, I don't know why you'd take any of those players over the ones the Rangers signed...I mean, do you remember LAPIERRE in the 2015 playoffs? The guy was an absolute joke...just flapping his gums at the Rangers as they blazed by him...I understand why he got an invite, but unless he discovered the fountain of youth over in Europe, I can't see him getting anything more than perhaps a contract from Hartford...mf - GAUSTAD?!? Bleh...He would make Dom MOORE look like a speedster.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 2:51 pm EST

E - Honestly, watching youth grow means little to me..I jsut want to watch a team play strong and winning hockey all year, doesn't matter if it's vets or kids....I long ago gave up on the concet of "home grown Ranger" or "career Rangers"...it's a business, these guys leave at the drop of a hat,..I just want winners..

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 2:42 pm EST

Oh and since 2012 I've found the regular a painful slog waiting for the playoffs. Now? 82 seems more interesting.

E


Tue Aug 30 2016 2:41 pm EST

HOSPO: I also hate the concept of "retooling" because I think that's just a nice way of saying rebuild and that infers you are setting the bar low and tempering the expectation that you're going to win. Some teams like SJ retooled on the fly. But they didn't commit to a retool until it was clear that they weren't going to win and even miss the playoffs. A year later? SCF. PIT retooled on the fly and were right back in it. So, unlike other seasons where the talk was strictly cup, now the talk is backfilling to keep competitive for the short and long term. Frankly, despite media and fan static that this team is a mess I think on paper they stepped backwards but I'm also not convinced that we are near the apocalypse. Just a year of deeper questions. I'm pretty excited for this season. I enjoy the process of watching youth grow.

E


Tue Aug 30 2016 2:11 pm EST

Would have taken Hudler over Pirri in a heartbeat, Stalberg over Grabner anyday, Laperiierre over Jooris, the Gerbel/Lemmiwinks totally not needed......But I did like the ZIBA trade and the signing of Vesey..which are th bigger moves

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 1:53 pm EST

We have Jesper Fast, didn't need "the Gerbel." Tanner Glass needs to go.... LaPierre can go too.... Jooris, let's see what he's got.... Pirri put up 29 points in 2/3rds of a season, a 40 point pace, and he shoots, so ok..... They could still have Gaustad for the 4th line center flanked by Fast & Grabner so we could win a defensive zone faceoff and those two wings can compensate for Gastaud's lack of speed.... Gastaud & Hayes arte listed at 6'5" 217lbs, maybe Hayes could learn how to win a FO.... Then Hudler was dying on the vine...... SO, Gaustad & Hudler & perhaps we'd be contenders & not pretenders.... end of rant.... ;-)

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 1:00 pm EST

http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/forward-ahti-oksanen-signs-with-pack

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 1:00 pm EST

Rangers sign another College FA forward in Ahti Oksanen..a four year player from BU..Some nice stats...a convetred D-man.....Can't hurt.........:Also Sorry Higgins ---Chris Higgins with a PTO to CALGARY...and RAFFI TORRES gets abother shot with CAROLINA

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 12:45 pm EST

WILD - Girardi ain't goin anywhere until the deadline, too many questions (there's that word again) about his play and health...Maybe at the deadline if he recovers and the Rangers want...or he gets bought out ...Staal is what he has been the last three years..an overpriced but solid 2nd paor d-man.If he waives, I think he can be dealt..

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 12:00 pm EST

TD: Simply put, unless one of their over $5,500,000 d-men are moved, the Jets cannot afford to pay Trouba the money he's seeking. They are not a cap ceiling team.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 11:59 am EST

as usual it will take at least 40 games for this team to gel, but they will make the playoffs.....what gorton does from now until the deadline will determine how far they might get....you all know my weeknow prediction.....

stevielegs


Tue Aug 30 2016 11:58 am EST

As for Giradi. his ACTUAL pay this season is 6 mil. Next season its 5, than 4, than 4 finishing out the contract. His CAP hit is 5.5 mil...G may waive his NTC after this season, and could be moved, even at the deadline since the actual cost will be lower. Some teams have internal caps as well as the NHL cap. Paying above that NHL cap may not be an option, and Giradi making 6 mil this season could have hampered teams really being serious. Staal is in the same boat the next couple seasons, making slightly more than his cap hit. After this year is done (or at the deadline) the Rangers can pick up part of his cap hit, and teams will have him "cheap" for the last 3 years of his deal. Staal I think goes no place due to his dollars paid over cap hit issue...at last not this season or next.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 30 2016 11:48 am EST

E - I hate retooling..I hate not trying to win it all .If you don't win, you're last! .But yep, it seems likethe Rangers are retooling on the fly and it's hard to win it all that way..........But maybe...........I disagree with you about the impact of a good PMD/PP D-man and what it could mean to the team....I think it will mean an awful lot...Obviously, it will take at least one good forward and a d-man not named MCD or Klein, but there is depth to deal from......And IF the kids and youngsters break right (with or without the PMD), then maybe you revisit around the deadline.....It's not like there are that many great teams in the NHL any more..........Yeah, the Pens caught lightening last year and rode coaching/team play and chemostry to the CUp....A team like the Rangers could do the same....OOOPs, I forgot, we still have AV which may be the biggest retarding factor on the year..

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 11:47 am EST

E: I have been saying that same thing. From the standpoint of what the TEAM thinks...not the players but the coaching staff and the management level people. If they think this year is a retooling year, that winning the cup would be a surprise, or even going past the first round of the playoffs, or perhaps making the playoffs (although I think that with Hank in net and the top holdovers from previous years that they will be good enough to make the playoffs). If they feel like this season is one of those years, and playoffs are the best outcome, with a first round exit, or a fight to win the first round and going out in the second with not much fight, than it wise to hold off and see what options exist later in the season at the deadline, or after the expansion draft is all done. Keep in mind, Shattenkirk will be a UFA and likely will at least talk with the Rangers, and may even give them a better deal than other teams.Other players may become available after other teams make other moves....they have time. If they feel that they can win the cup this season, they will likely give up assets to try an improve. But since that has not happened as of yet, this late in the summer, I doubt they feel that way internal, externally of course they will say cup or bust, but every team says that crap.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 30 2016 11:15 am EST

An interesting thing to ask. Is this team a contender? Are they one or two players away from being one? I think that this is a transition year. A retool year. You have 4-main cogs who have almost no experience with the team. Skjei, Buch, Vesey, and Zib. So, I'm not sure I'd make an asset sapping move. I'm more prone to sitting tight, growing the team, and if that all elusive defender comes loose then sign them as a UFA if it's the right guy. But it isn't a contender. And I don't think it's a contender with one puck moving defenseman. I of course assert this having not seen them play a single game. I don't think that they are likely to be on the playoff bubble. I do think this is a 1-done type playoff team. Maybe 2 if it's the right matchup. But a serious full on cup run? Not unless they get that PP clicking at 25%. Lofty proposition.

E


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:15 am EST

Enstrom is an LHS D'man, Troubadour RHS: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3735

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:13 am EST

Time for another episode of, "has Girardi & or Staal agreed to waive there NMC's?" Brought to you by, Quagmire, that special sinking feeling Ranger Fans experience when pondering Stanley Cup aspirations......

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:05 am EST

RF4L - that's the conundrum: Trouba wants more than just a big contract. He wants top pairing minutes. The only way he gets that is if ENSTROM is moved AND the Jets are comfortable having him on his off side...or if they trade MYERS. Neither will be easy for the Jets...and I don't think they're comfortable giving him a payday contract yet either.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:05 am EST

Trouba vs MF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c03d0NAK3vk

mf


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:04 am EST

I read the PIRRI interviews, looks like we have another member of the Team "Chip on the SHoulder".....That should last untill, say, the end of camp forPIRRI and all the other Chipsters and when true character, effort and talent takes over

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 10:03 am EST

Bob - yeah and admittedly, I've had a soft spot for TROUBA since he help MILLER and co. win the gold at the World Juniors...might not exactly have an objective opinion here ;)...it was that series that really sold me on this kid. But like RF said, I don't think either Trouba or Lindholm will be coming here....or rather I'd be surprised if they did.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 9:23 am EST

Trouba vs Lindholm? I ahve seen both play and been totally impressed with Lindhol MANY times...OTOH, Trouba has not made a single impression on me..ut, sounds like two good players..Who knows?.....What I THINK, is that the Rangers won't get either....bothe Shattenkirk (despite the A) and FOWLER seem more likely....or there might be a trade for a much safer/steady pick somewhere......Or they try and make do with offense from MCD, SKEJI and KLEIN until later in the season..As with everything else with the Rangers this coming year, so many questions and mystery,,,

Hospo


Tue Aug 30 2016 9:06 am EST

TD: My prediction is that Enstrom will be moved if the Jets give Trouba the $$ he's seeking.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 8:48 am EST

Hampus Lindholm is excellent in all 3 zones, on the PP and the PK. The Ducks will not let him escape excepting a silly trade offer from someone else. They are still searching for a taker for Cam Fowler. TD--We agree to disagree, so it's all good. If this guy proves himself to be what you say he is, I will once again have been proven to be a clueless jackass. For people new around here, that is definitely not breaking news!

Bob


Tue Aug 30 2016 8:24 am EST

Bob - Totally disagree. The guy is a beast. If the Jets can't figure it out, I'd capitalize on their mistake. The guy is going to break out.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 8:22 am EST

RF4L - That's not as much a prediction as it is likelihood. I have no real faith the Rangers will get either LINDHOLM or TROUBA, but rather target someone like FOWLER...I'm just saying what I would do if I were GM and that's go after Trouba with the same veracity the Flames went after Dougie HAMILTON...frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Trouba is dealt for a haul similar to the one Hamilton fetched --a first rounder and two second rounders...and if that were the case, I would pay that eagerly for him...we shall see...but the more stories that come out about the Trouba situation, it sounds more and more like he could hold out and force a trade...holding out for money is one thing...but the guy wants playing time...and that's not something the Jets can or are willing to give him as of yet...either he or MYERS will have to go.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 8:10 am EST

Lindholm is far superior to Trouba, IMO. I would not offer sheet either of them. I continue to smile every time I hear all of this Trouba love when the guy cannot get off the 3rd pair in Winnipeg. He actually is using that fact as a reason to avoid signing there. If you have to take a contract stand to move up on the depth chart, perhaps you are overvaluing yourself. So far, there does not appear to be a line of 10 GM's clamoring for Trouba. Would he be an upgrade over Girardi? Sure but so would Nick Holden be. That is not saying much.

Bob


Tue Aug 30 2016 8:09 am EST

Strange to say given the generally glower reviews the Rangers' farm system has gotten lately, but the Traverse City team is probably the most talented the Rangers have sent in some time...of course, none of the games will be televised or streamed, so we'll have to rely on people actually attending the tourney to see one iota of it...but my story lines, aside from the obvious ones with VESEY and BUCHNEVICH, would be as follows: The KOVACS-STROMWELL connection. Keep reading really optimistic things about these too and how they play excellent together...and that among them, that Stromwell could be every bit of a find as Kovacs is/was when he was drafted in the third...Sean DAY - Just really curious about this guy...another one who could be a total coup for Gorton if he can somehow get back on track...NIEVES - Will he build on his late season push with the Pack?...Ryan GROPP - Another guy who, buy most accounts, could be an absolute find...but playing in the WHL...be interesting to see if he can dial it up to be a force against must stronger competition...Ty RONNING - Still think this kid could be a steal where we got him so low in the draft...small forward, big wheels...and last but not least, this kid JOLY...he looked really impressive last year for the Leafs..could be our 'Tolchinsky' signing...John GILMOUR - The guy was a significant part of a very strong Providence College team lead by Nate Leamon, who is an incredible coach in his own right. Interesting to see if he can hold a very young blueline together....and Calle ANDERSSON - Right-handed Swede...had big hopes for him last season and he had a real mediocre year in Hartford...see if he rebounds.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 7:48 am EST

TD: Here's 2 predictions: Gorther doesn't move 4 firsts for Lindholm - in fact, Grother's collecting high picks. The days of the Rangers trading away high picks like candy are gone (thank goodness). On Trouba, no offer sheet is coming. No Trouba either for that matter because he will cost, in the minimum, Skeji and Kreider and Gorther isn't going to do that, either. I get why both players are alluring but the Rangers don't have the assets to acquire either - too many high picks traded away and a compromised feeder system are the reasons.

RF4L


Tue Aug 30 2016 7:37 am EST

re: TROUBA - The guy is a game changer. Again, not sure what it would take...but if the Rangers had or could get their second rounder back from the Canes...maybe even try something crazy like moving GIRARDI and a prospect for it...then I'd wheel around and sign Trouba to a $7 million offersheet. Jets have just enough cap space to cover that by sending some guys to the minors...but then they'd be committed to roughly a third of their cap space tied up in three blueliners...I could see them dealing him for a replacement on the right(maybe KLEIN), certainly the Rangers' first rounder, one of their top six not named Nash and a prospect...that might be enough to get them to bite. But the situation in Winnipeg, it seems, is an untenable...they're not going to move BYFUGLIEN and it doesn't sound like there's any will to move MYERS...so Trouba plays third fiddle until one or the other leaves town. Kid wants the limelight now...and having seen him play, he deserves it.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 7:20 am EST

re: LINDHOLM - I've been hearing speculation...largely from one Twitter account...proposing some pretty off-the-wall trades...one suggested we do essentially what the Flames did with Dougie Hamilton...pressure Anaheim into a deal by discussing a ludicrous offer sheet...one that would pay them four first rounders...then move Rick NASH and McILRATH to recoup some picks/get cap space...another was ZUCC and NASH for Lindholm...both sounded ludicrous to me...haven't read anywhere that the Ducks are looking to move Lindholm anyway...And I still think the shoe to drop will be FOWLER, once Lindholm is signed...but with MONTOUR and THEODORE both expected to be in their lineup, the thought is they will move one of their top four...Lindholm does remain unsigned too.

tdchi


Tue Aug 30 2016 6:59 am EST

Ola what's logic have to do with it ? Let the nyr get both of them ....

stevielegs


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