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Sun Feb 1 2015 5:18 pm EST

hank and everyone else dodged a bullet yesterday....he couldn't breathe .....very dangerous situation, he was extremely lucky not to get seriously injured.....prince probably got nervous along with his dependent coach and his speed system. Without Hank veenyo's system would have to be adjusted...no knock on Talbot , more about the d and the team.....and what the coach thinks is so simple.....he takes his goalies for granted.....

stevielegs


Sun Feb 1 2015 5:03 pm EST

RF: Sounds like we need to part with 4-6 kids currently on the farm.. If some of them are borderline NHL'ers that won't make it to the Rangers for whatever reason, give them a chance where they may make it elsewhere..

mf


Sun Feb 1 2015 4:36 pm EST

puck: The Rangers haven't signed Tambellini to a contract yet. Not sure why. Could it be they weren't sold on him as a prospect? If so, I sure hope the year he's having has changed their minds. Are they at a signed player limit? If so, they're gonna have some issues with not just Tambellini, but Ryan Graves will likely turn pro. So perhaps will Skeji. And that Walcott kid looks like a valid prospect, too. That's 4 contracts pending....and there's probably someone I'm not even thinking about who deserves a deal, too.

RF4L


Sun Feb 1 2015 4:12 pm EST

Damn, should have bet the "over" for the Puppy Bowl."

mf


Sun Feb 1 2015 2:29 pm EST

Check this pic of where that puck caught Hank. Not pleasant. He's really lucky. AV was talking about an incident years back (forget who) and they had to do an emergency tracheotomy on the guy. https://twitter.com/HLundqvist30?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fsnyrangersblog.com%2F&tw_i=561949428307984385&tw_p=tweetembed

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 2:26 pm EST

Now Im losing posts. whatever, one more try. MF, he's attainable cause of that 3.25 ;) McIlrath for Stewart makes some sense to me. The whole right side is signed next year, he has nowhere to play, and a coach that doesnt seem interested even if he could supplant someone, which is highly unlikely. But thatd leave us Miller to deal to AZ or Carolina. What was weird on McIlrath was a story I read a few weeks ago saying he wanted to play a more well-rounded game. Offense is not what anyone thinks of when they think of MCI, but then he scored in two straight. Also, cant blame staff like Clark IF they continued to pump up a prospect after they decided he couldnt cut it - if thats the case. Thats their job. But generally Clark is pretty even-keeled, he really doesnt say much (nor does Gorton) and when he does its pretty low-key. Oh, and Duclair arrived in Quebec finally, 4 pts last night. Whoopdidamndo.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 2:24 pm EST

mf -- AV's defensive system is more man-on-man rather than a zone type of D and the Rangers also like to send 3 players to the boards in the D zone to win the puck, where a lot of teams send 2. I'm assuming if Boyle is not used to it, then it's going to be difficult to adjust. It took our D half of last season to finally get it down and Boyle's injuries have kept him from getting that many games in to figure it out yet.

JFC31


Sun Feb 1 2015 2:00 pm EST

Slegs: Thanks for posting the Zippay link... Zip mentions JAN HEJDA may be attainable... Seems perfect for the job, 3rd pair LS, except for the $$$$ $3,250,000 ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3863

mf


Sun Feb 1 2015 1:44 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/2/1/7959523/prospect-update-tambellini-dominating-whl-duclair-picking-up-where-he

puckyou


Sun Feb 1 2015 1:19 pm EST

Doesn't Dapper Dan Maloney still owe us one for the Huge Jessibust selection?? I hear that Connor Allen has unbelievable upside potential Danny Boy and will fit your rebuilding timeline perfectly........

mf


Sun Feb 1 2015 1:16 pm EST

vs the slower grind & shot blocking "lead to the same burnout to go the distance"...........As for Humwick, he can't handle big forwards, especially those that can skate well, get's physically manhandled just like Boyle, and if the coaches felt so confident with this "tweaner," John Moore would have been gone by now... The CJC's risk management dept. thinks this is high risk..

mf


Sun Feb 1 2015 1:02 pm EST

Hearing that a veteran such as Dan Boyle is having trouble with AV's system got to get you thinking, "which part of the system is so difficult?" Is it the part for a puck rushing D'man? PPQB? Other? Is his role in the system different from MCD's, Girardi's, Staals's, Klein's, or is he the only guy ballsy enough to say so because the other defensemen haven't said this, at least not publicly that I can remember.. I could see AV being the polar opposite from Tort's in the sense where he's peddle to the metal vs the slower grind....... OAN, Attempting to go the distance with Hunwick:::SCOUTING REPORT::: Assets: Has above-average puck-moving skills. Displays some two-way ability and some offensive upside. Doesn't make many mistakes when he has the puck on his blade. Flaws: Size and strength are a concern for his long-range NHL potential, since he can struggle when he's forechecked heavily. Isn't great at defending or when without the puck. Career Potential: Puck-moving defenseman.

mf


Sun Feb 1 2015 12:48 pm EST

Gawd, I find reports like Handy's (which isn't a complaint - we need more first hand - pun intended - reports on here I think, regardless of whether or not we like what's being said) on McI depressing. If McI is a bust, what a massive disappointment given where he was drafted, why he was drafted and how long we've been fed relatively positive reviews from Gordie Clark et al. I wish if they indeed feel as many on here do (like Handy), they'd trade him away so those who keep dreaming (like me) can move on.

RF4L


Sun Feb 1 2015 12:04 pm EST

MOORE and GLASS

Hospo


Sun Feb 1 2015 12:03 pm EST

Hopefully the Rangers don't think they are fine at C after a strong half a game over a dead tired team...VERMETTE and HANZAL have always been the way to go for me...And it's been obvious for awhile that MILLER is a or the piece they will have no problem giving away...Just get ti done already...:).....I thiught MILLER had some good shifts in the 2nd half of the game last night....He has been best all yerar with MOORE and MILLER...He's also best in a straight ahead forechecking/banging game reather then perimeter fancy pants puck possession game...ANother reason he'll go...I;ll be sorry to see him go, but it;s the best time given how he'll be used now and in the future..

Hospo


Sun Feb 1 2015 11:30 am EST

JFC Im sure they do. There are no secrets with Maloney anyway. He was in their bunker for years. Only question is if they like someone (Staal) more than the AZ guys. Hes my no. 1 but downside to Hanzel is morw offense obvious from Vermette or Staal. I dont think we finish enough which is why its a tougher call for me. If I know theyre adding a wing, even a struggling Stewart, its easier to go for Hanzel. Yes MSL h as been hitting crossbars but lack of finish hurts. Too many of his points arent impact points, down a goal, to tie, to take lead. And Stepans back to not shooting wide open. This angers me to no end.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 11:21 am EST

Oh right. Today Im supposed to make believe football is 1/10th the sport hockey is. It isnt but Ill pig out anyway. Fast has more PK ice without giving up a goal than any player in the NHL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 11:00 am EST

When does sather decide what to do with Big Mac? He does not really fit in to veenyo's d concept, even Boyle is having a hard time with it. He needs a speed skating coach and should be tried on the 4 th line as a checking forward in Hartford. It's the role that would possibly get him to fit on the nyr otherwise he should be traded. But if he could fit that role there probably wouldn't be a need to get a 7 th d or a neil. Than they would just need a hanzal and be able to trade j Moore and jitters or Limburger or fast . Sather needs to work over don Maloney and make a deal. Hanzal and Big Mac solve the nyr size problem and more. Otherwise they need a 7 th d and a neil along with a center.

stevielegs


Sun Feb 1 2015 10:53 am EST

I've been wondering if Don Maloney would actually reach out to his brother Dave and get opinions on Rangers players he might be interested in, like J.Moore and what the ex-Captain's opinion might be, especially since he was a d-man. Dave sees every Rangers game.

JFC31


Sun Feb 1 2015 10:50 am EST

And if the Canes are interested in J. Moore, he did us a solid by having a pretty good game last night....he seemed very confident and aggressive in his rushes and had several good chances and penetrations in the O zone

JFC31


Sun Feb 1 2015 10:48 am EST

Can't imagine none of Allan, McI, Bodie couldn't be a serviceable extra D-man...I mean, c'mon...especially Allan and McI....they can be spotted into,the lineup....ther'd better a lot of money to be saved....isn't that what the farm is supposed to,be for? They should have been shuttled back and forth this season to get them a look see intermittently to see their progress at the NHL level

JFC31


Sun Feb 1 2015 9:08 am EST

Instead, there's another worthy center in Arizona whom the Rangers should target: Martin Hanzal. The 27-year-old Czech has the goods: He's 6-5, 230 pounds, has eight goals in 37 games this season, has posted between 11 and 16 goals in five of the seven previous seasons, and carries a very reasonable salary-cap charge of $3.1 million through the 2016-17 season. With the Rangers too dependent on their top two lines and needing more size to battle heavier squads in the East and West, Hanzal would be quite valuable -- and importantly, not a rental. An offer of Miller, defenseman John Moore and a midround draft pick might be tempting enough for the Coyotes to bite. Acquiring a two-way center remains a top priority, and if Moore, an arbitration-eligible restricted free agent is traded, the Blueshirts will need a reliable, low-cost replacement as a sixth/seventh defenseman.

stevielegs


Sun Feb 1 2015 8:57 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-zipay/coyotes-antonio-vermette-would-be-nice-fit-for-rangers-1.9888945

stevielegs


Sun Feb 1 2015 8:43 am EST

Zippay has big story saying Vermette would be good (but not for JT) Bur Hanzal would be better (theorizes for JT-Moore-pick). Newsday charges luke $4 for Sunday edition. Coulda read that one here last month for free ;)

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 4:04 am EST

Mess: yeah. Positional errors are what haunt McIlrath. However...he has reportedly made strides from last season as well as during this season. Coming off his knee injury he had taken a step back (no big shock there) and it's taken him time to get his game turned around. Also. It's not like he is getting torn apart in the AHL. He is rarely involved in the offensive part of the game, and spent most of the season with Bodie who is really terrible....not surprisingly his numbers have improved since being with Allen, he was a minus 12 or 13 at one point, and now is a minus 5. Big turn around for that state, even if it is a shitty stat for the most part. The real indicator is that other teams try to keep their top guys away from him, and they don't get a lot of goals with him out there. The remainder of this season along with (hopefully) the playoffs will tell a lot about where he is.

Wildcard


Sun Feb 1 2015 3:41 am EST

Girardi and Mcilrath speed could be comparable but Id wager that Girardi's positional intelligence plays a huge advantage

Messier11


Sun Feb 1 2015 3:38 am EST

If McIlrath is getting top-pair minutes in Hartford and getting stood up the way he's been reported, then I don't know how more minutes at any level is going to fix that. We should be shopping him.

Messier11


Sun Feb 1 2015 3:28 am EST

Anyway Handy that was good stuff if not great news. Maybe McIlrath is a guy you trade and try to get back when hes 27-28. If someone gives him the ice eventually he'll be serviceable. And with the rough stuff thatll make him fairly valuable.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 3:11 am EST

A problem the Rangers have is they can only trade Miller once. They could have Stewart here tomorrow but they wont have JT to send to AZ /Car. Ive heard good/not so good on McIlrath(not for now) But hes still got high visibility among our prospects, a rare skill combo, and hes cheap. Hes also beyond huge and you cant not notice him (sometimes not in a positive way). But hes also mean & really wants to make it. Theres also often a two-year bounce back from bad knees like a rotator cuff for some pitchers and a sharp-eyed gm might try to take advantage and get himself a good depth dman for next year.long way of saying MCI could still be our 2nd most valuable trade chip. I thought last year Sather would eventually deal both and the stage is set. MCI has nowhere to play here anyway if Boyles back next year. Not that he'd man the PP LOL . Its Feb. 1. Anyone seen Marty St.Louis?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 2:09 am EST

handy: well I actually know a scout who says McIlrath has improved remarkably this season over last. How he can't sket well enough in the AHL but only positional issues existed his few NHL games would be a monstrous mystery. Most hockey pros say he is doing well....and while his +/- may not really show it, he is THE guy for shutting down top players. He does it more often than not and also according to a few people he usually is in the top 2-3 guys on the team for ice time. As for his skating. He wouldn't even be the slowest guy on the current Rangers roster. According to reports from camp/practice he was faster than at least Glass and Giradi. So if he isn't fast enough neither are they....and at least Giradi is fine.

Wildcard


Sun Feb 1 2015 1:00 am EST

Just got back form the wolfpack game up in Hartford where they beat springfield (Columbus Blue Jackets) a very good team. My first game up there which was a four hour round trip but was well worth it at 30$ a pop for three rows center ice from the glass. I am obviously no scout but, Maclrath is awful he really cannot skate he was a pole that they routinely went around. Allen was his partner who over and over again bailed him out and skated the puck out of danger with such ease. I spoke to a few season ticket holders as well and they confirmed that Maclrath is horrible game in and out and this is how he plays and they also have no idea why he was drafted. Maybe the injuries have slowed his development, I surely hope that is the reason Bodie can sure skate but needs to put on about 50 lbs. Kristo, Lindberg, AHL'ers. Malone was scratched, Chris Bourque very good AHL'er no more. (29 years old) Hirivik I think is the closet to NHL. Not that my opinion means anything. hehehehehe Haggerty not ready for prime time yet.. The rest all career AHL'ers I think since they are in there late 20's.

handy1994


Sun Feb 1 2015 12:37 am EST

Oh, and again cause Im guilty of taking him for granted sometimes, dodged a bit of a bullet with Lundqvist takin one to the adams apple. Jesus Christ that scared me. Reminded me of an incident with the Dodgers Steve Yeager years ago. Whew.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 12:30 am EST

And JT was invisible. Him as a centerpiece for Staal fits in more ways than one lol. They were both invisible. Staal had one good chance I thought we were beat on but Hank was there. And I noticed Staal wasnt taking draws. Hes on line with Jared basically playing RW. Weird. Also not to take away from him but I notice Hayes more against lesser teams & looser D's.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Feb 1 2015 12:23 am EST

Id come down on side of not taking chances for a Cup run. Hayes is a big chance. We need strength up the middle. We need some on wing too. But middle is essential. You have to beat a Backes or Getzlaf or Kopitar or Carter you must matchup. Now if you bring someone in you can shift Hayes to wing, gain size there. But if they stick to not moving him over, its one of three options. Stay the same, Hayes to pressbox, or deal him. I think they go outside & Hayes is mostly a part-timer in stretch & playoffs. Probably best thing (if they bring in a quality center its totally right) Also wouldnt be first time I eas wrong.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 11:26 pm EST

With that scenario, JTMiller & Fast are our 12th & 13th forwards...... I don't want to trade Miller nor Fast if we don't have to... Offer Buff 3-4 guys off the farm

mf


Sat Jan 31 2015 11:18 pm EST

Is E. Staal the piece that makes us a favorite to win the Cup? If yes, you deal with the salary.. With that salary though, we can have 2 players...... Lets say we keep Hayes as the 3rd line center the rest of the way and keep Hunwick & JMoore as is.... If we find new homes for Glass & Stempniak ($2,350,000 combined) and hypothetically went for Stewart & Stafford.... We'd pick up two big bodies, both are RHS, both UFA's after the season's up... Stafford can slot in to our 2nd line RW which moves one of MSL or MZA off the top six RW (something discussed here the last few days) Stafford has a nose for the crease and both guys can score... We are instantly bigger & stronger for matchups against the Bruins, Isles, Kings.... Since 3 of our 4 centers are average in stature, & 2 smurfs, a couple of wings like S&S seems good to me.. Wonder what it would cost?

mf


Sat Jan 31 2015 10:54 pm EST

Oshie WAS reported to be available. can play both C and RW. same with Berglund (LW and C) doubt thats the case anymore.

Messier11


Sat Jan 31 2015 10:44 pm EST

Idk MFie, what did you think , re; Staal. Mess they could try that, we've said it before. But gotta get some vet backup in the middle. Or OReilly, who can slide over. Hes the only versatile one from guys that are av available (that we know about). Kreider looked great to me tonight. Gotta give Shaggy some credit there. Not sure when AV juggled.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 10:36 pm EST

Don't know if anyone else has noticed but Hayes is starting to put a few games up with FO %s over 50. For what a mercenary would cost, I would opt to stick with Hayes as 3C with his new line mates and instead look for 2nd line wing depth. Id prefer to let Moore develop, but it seems much like with MDZ before, AV has decided he's out. Stempniak hasn't been nearly as effective as in preseason, and Glass is a liability as many nights as not. So again, Id look for a 2nd-3rd line RW (Stewart, perhaps, though there are others), and a solid LHS D (Sekera doesn't look like it for us). Nash/Stepan/MSL, Hags/Brass/???? Kreider/Hayes/MZA, Miller/Moore/Fast. McD/Girardi, Staal/Boyle, ????/Klein.

Messier11


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:51 pm EST

this guy dickaletti is a phony nyr announcer fan...he spends over 50% of his bs dialogue, talking up the opponent......he belongs on nbc not msg......

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:48 pm EST

Games like that ate why Staal is 4th on my list behind Hanzel, Vermette & OReilly. I just never see him do anything against. He gets his points, he must do it against someone. Theres only next year remaining on his contract or id worry. Cause I still think thats who we end up with.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:48 pm EST

Hospo I like lost boyle, but he freely admits having a hard time adjusting to this system, which to me is an unrealistic hockey system, that needs more ingredients besides speed.....it's way too easy to make mistakes, and for teams to slow them down......haste makes waste......

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:42 pm EST

they tried to lose this game in the 1st half of the 2nd period. But Hank showed his King's crown gutting it out, after blowing the last game, with help from the invisible men......and coach contemplator.....hopefully they get back to playing better, and scoring 4 per game......those goose eggs are contagious.....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:34 pm EST

Then we'll see...

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:33 pm EST

JFC - Was wondering why such a change in the Canes game in the 2nd half..Part of that was the Rangers changer but also just saw that they played 65 mins agasinst the Blues last night...Bottom line is that we desperately needed those two points and got them..And should get another easy two against FLA on Monday before the Bruins

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:30 pm EST

AV the genius...brilliant line combos.............let's remember who we're playing

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:27 pm EST

stevie - lost Boyle...Like that!

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:26 pm EST

STEVIE - second half of the game, the Canes hitting kinda stopped coinciding with the line changes...Rangers have been allowed to freely skate the rest of the game..and have looked darn good as they should...I'll wait till I see these lines agasint the Bruins on Wed to draw any conclusions

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:20 pm EST

must be an epiphany....gee wiz veenyo you figured out those two kids played together in college. Must have finally updated your line generator to 2015 version 31.....and lost boyle scores....pure genius....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:14 pm EST

Im going to go ahead and remind everyone that I said Kreider and MZA should be on the third line with Hayes like two months ago. Id have Miller with Brass and Hags, though, or Hags/Brass/Stempniak and Miller/Moore/Fast

Messier11


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:14 pm EST

KId K making things go with his speed and strength..good work by Zucc and a smooth pass by Hayes....Well done and needed big time

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:12 pm EST

Micheletti just wet his pants

mf


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:04 pm EST

so is this the 1st game kid k and purple hayes have been on the same line?

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:42 pm EST

JFC - It also startedd with the "4th" ine shift of Moore-Miller-Glass and the 4-on-4...But, they all are skating better..They need to

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:40 pm EST

Much better that last 5-10 mins by all four lnew old lines..Question: Do Rosen and Dickaletti have a mandate in their contract to slobber over Kevin Hayes? OTOH, kid had a few good shifts but..

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:39 pm EST

Micheletti credits AV with the line changes in the middle of the period with the Rangers picking it up in play....WRONG! They picked it up,after The King made the big save on Semin. Finally, they started playing inspired hockey...you'd think,they would have done it after he stayed in the game following the injury

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:27 pm EST

Boyle has his head up his arse tonight...Thank God for The King

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:25 pm EST

AV is flailing....not a good look at the end of January

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:24 pm EST

puckyou - that's putting it nicely..All four lines have sucked and been dominated...But somehow still winning...Nice shift by MILLER hope it turns things around

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:21 pm EST

Playing like shite

puckyou


Sat Jan 31 2015 8:03 pm EST

Ah, release The Kreider!!

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:59 pm EST

Is Eric Staal just bored? Or has he really fallen this far off?

THE Kreider


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:56 pm EST

Eric Staal is on pace for 54 points... That's $176,000 per point... Although Semin has him beat by a country mile...

mf


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:40 pm EST

THE KREIDER is a beast.

THE Kreider


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:39 pm EST

And Miller with a patented brain fart!like i said this afteronnon, hope AV doesn't bench him after a 1st periond mistake

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:36 pm EST

Damn, a stiff wind could knock Hayes down! But he didn't give up..

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:30 pm EST

Damn Kid K can accelerate!

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:28 pm EST

Ward didn't really react on either goal. Keep shooting

barto


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:28 pm EST

Wow, Rangers blow another FO,,Hurricanes almost score 4 times..but then a great individual play by Moore...Not how you draw it up..But still 2-0!!

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:27 pm EST

Umm.... the left? ;) but thats a horrible goal. Not complaining.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:27 pm EST

Beautiful move by Moore. Ward looks like crap.

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:26 pm EST

Shorty Moore

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:24 pm EST

I think there's something more than the C bug for Mc. No strength when he has to hold the stick with one hand also he seems to avoid contact more than I remember. Read Hartnell can be had for a few picks. Can't stand him but he has good net presence and size.

barto


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:23 pm EST

mf: AV must be thinking he needs Nash on the left side of the ice....even when he puts him on the RW Nash scores from the left

Wildcard


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:21 pm EST

good play by Nash but Bad goal let in by Ward..but you need those..pretty disorganized so far.

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:21 pm EST

They can keep,Sekara, LOL!

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:16 pm EST

And from where on the ice did he score that goal? NASH #29 tied for 1st again !!!!

mf


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:15 pm EST

Nashtimate

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 6:51 pm EST

Big change bazookerella with Hagelin and Hayes hzh line , jt jitters on left wing Nashhty moves to right..... Time to start using the prince a little more... Busy schedule ahead..... Need reinforcements ....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 6:48 pm EST

See and Ive never really liked Staal's game (but know hed help a whole lot) and couldnt care less about his contract or the package to get him; within reason. Sather will handle it. I misspoke saying they hadnt been linked. Zippay did last week in a story that basically hung a for sale sign on JT.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 6:26 pm EST

I have always liked Eric Staal's game and the thought of him being in a Blueshirt is tempting......until I consider his contract and seeming decline the past few years.

Bob


Sat Jan 31 2015 6:11 pm EST

I'm sure there will be a few AZ and Buff scouts watching JT tonight..Hopefully he doesn't have a bad shift in the first period and gets benched for the game......

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 5:24 pm EST

JT in, Stemp out. Moore in. Would guess a lot of scouting hoing on tonight throughout the league.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 4:50 pm EST

A bit more. (Stewart offense). He also beat the hell out of Fraser from the Devs a few weeks ago. Doesn't look so fat to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptPiQv2AQdo

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 4:46 pm EST

Watching some Stewart. He & Lucic? Good scrap, slight edge Looch. But Stewart gets Kassian pretty good here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iai57othQH0

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 4:45 pm EST

Huge game tonight - Need to stop the bleeding lest we start a long losing streak!

Ranger47


Sat Jan 31 2015 4:43 pm EST

Buchnevich SO goal & assist yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=JHovox65Y7A&x-yt-ts=1422579428#t=1272

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 3:49 pm EST

I'd watched most of that Isles V. Boston game, and noticed Isles gave them same trouble they gave us. Herky jerky offense, and Tavares is just sick sick sick with the puck. That said, let's get some upgrades and open their hole in the POs! LOL haha.....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 3:42 pm EST

BTW, Habs beat the Caps in OT 1-0 and Detroit leading NYI 2-0 after 2 (will be 2 losses in a row for them also)...East is going to be crazy going down the stretch and points will be a premium...In other words, SATHER can't wait until the deadline to fix the obvious problems..

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 3:33 pm EST

Personally, defense is the last position I would worry about....Yeah, I would like a physiocal D-man on the 3rd pair but we're pretty damn good with Mcd, Girardi, Staal and Klein gobbling up mist of the ES and PK ice time...Fix the forward lines first then, if you can, add some depth on D..

Hospo


Sat Jan 31 2015 2:28 pm EST

I think they need a turbo boost along those lines. Virtually no one has linked them to Staal but my intuition is they are all over it. There have been published reports of them after both Methot (who is a rock, very much like Klein but a heavier hitter) and Stewart back to last year. We'll see, but 3 positions, thats the right amount of upgrades imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 2:00 pm EST

Management clearly have decisions to make. But whatever they do needs to be based on factors which are quite different to me than what happened in 1994. Then we were arguably the best team in hockey and they were looking to make deadline changes to make that "best" team even better. Now, we remain one of many teams here able to either get bounced early in the POs (i.e. against Boston or whomever) or make it to the FInals again if things fall in place. 1994 was really "win a any cost while we are the best". Now, we're trying to maximize our chances of going deep while not destroying (in a cap world) our nucleus for a 2-3 year window. Tough decisions to come.

Ranger47


Sat Jan 31 2015 1:54 pm EST

Yup. How'd that turn out? :)

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 1:46 pm EST

That would be an overhaul, not a tweak. The last time they did something like that was 1994.

Bob


Sat Jan 31 2015 1:19 pm EST

RR -- the Rangers would have a different look, without a doubt. I have my worries about Stewart and his conditioning but adding those 3,would make us a better PO team and that's what it's all about. I'll bet that E. Staal would be rejuvenated if we get him....he'd have more support, better matchups, less pressure. Imagine him centering get Nash....not overly physical but damn big and very difficult to handle in the offensive zone

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 1:05 pm EST

Prancing.... LOL. So Methot, Stewart & Staal. That'd be 3 bigger, tougher guys, right? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 12:54 pm EST

Any of those 3 d-men would be an upgrade. Hard to believe that John Moore brings that return unless it is for a UFA.

Bob


Sat Jan 31 2015 12:53 pm EST

My choice would be Methot....good, solid d-man who hits hard and moves people. Not sure if he's the prancing puck-mover that AV favors...but we need toughness. Ifbtheyndo t understand that by now, it's ridiculous.

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 12:25 pm EST

Brooks speculates Moore could bring back one of Sekera, Hedja or Methot (ufa), in a package or whatever. The idea of strengthening the D even further is pretty awesome.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 31 2015 11:39 am EST

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4n-85jzhTM

JFC31


Sat Jan 31 2015 11:33 am EST

I would rate Miller over Hayes also. He's got skills and size and he's still so young. I don't dislike Hayes and I'm glad he signed but I don't get why he isn't sent to the pack for a stint in minors. I'd like to see Lindberg with Fast before they make a trade.

Pal17


Sat Jan 31 2015 9:24 am EST

Jasen Vinlove, USA TODAY Sports The strange background noises heard during the Predators-St. Louis Blues broadcast on Thursday night remained a mystery Friday. A Fox Sports Tennessee spokesperson on Friday said the station was still investigating and trying to determine the cause of the noises but that there was no further update. Fox Sports Tennessee issued an apology on its Twitter account Thursday after the unusual background noises were heard during a brief portion of the broadcast between the Predators and Blues. Starting with about 12 minutes left in the first period, viewers could hear at least three separate, short background instances of noise unrelated to the broadcast. The noises easily could have been interpreted as sexual in nature, and many viewers said on social media that the noises sounded like a pornographic movie. The noises stopped within a minute of game time and didn't return. The broadcasters could be heard clearly during the entire contest. Predators broadcaster Pete Weber, who was alerted by listeners to the situation during the game, apologized at the start of the third period, though he had no idea exactly what had transpired.

RF73


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:12 am EST

12) Once upon a time, a player would get automatically pummeled if he did what Brendan Gallagher did in purposely tipping the net on top of Lundqvist. Pummeled. No questions asked. In today’s pansified NHL? Be my guest. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/30/rangers-canadiens-in-review-13/#sthash.YyceT5XF.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:04 am EST

carp too.....First and foremost, apologies for the blog crash during the game and all the troubles we’ve been having since the changeover. Believe me, I am more frustrated than you guys are. But, also please believe me, people are working on it, and people care about it, and we’re just having a rough go right now. We’ll get it fixed. Hopefully soon. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/30/rangers-canadiens-in-review-13/#sthash.YyceT5XF.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 7:00 am EST

it's only game 47 tonight, there's 35 after that fyi veenyo. do you know what your team needs besides speed? how they doing with the puck? ....maybe you can get Staal to join your team before or after the game tonight. Try begging your boss for a center and a guy they might add another dimension to your system.......maybe another guy like glass but better, since you claim the other team keeps their head up when he's on the ice?.....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 6:37 am EST

Along with contemplating your navel veenyo ? Try analyzing yourself and your assistants....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 4:40 am EST

“I’m contemplating that right now,” Vigneault said after practice on Friday. “Any time you don’t get the desired results as a coaching staff, you always analyze the personnel individually and collectively.”.......“I think our process in the last few games, other than the first period on Long Island … has been good offensively and defensively,” Vigneault said. “We’ve been playing well without the puck. … The last couple of games have been a little bit more challenging. I’ve got a lot of faith and confidence in this group.”......

stevielegs


Sat Jan 31 2015 12:44 am EST

Vancouver beat Buffalo 5-2 tonight. Chris Stewart scored both goals for the Sabres.. Impressive

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:55 pm EST

At the Honda Center watching Ducks-Blackhawks. Richards is centering Kane and Sharp. Good spot for him. Kane is an amazing player.

Bob


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:36 pm EST

Boo Nieves has 5 assists in his last 3 games. Adam Tambellini with 2-2-4, a Plus 3 and 5 SOG heading into the third period in Calgary.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:13 pm EST

BOB: What I have been doing works fine every time. First, use Firefox as your browser. Whenever I go to the Wall it gives me an error. Just click Try Again and it goes through the second time. The same for posts. When I post something it gives an error. I just click Try Again and it goes through. I use Firefox on my cell and it does the same thing. A bit of an inconvenience but no big deal.

Vic


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:02 pm EST

Pavel Buchnevich with 1-1-2 today. Now has 3rd highest point total for player under 20 in KHL history.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:48 pm EST

OLA, is this you? https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/swedish-league-player-scores-ot-goal--celebrates-with-moonwalk--video-192140494.html

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:02 pm EST

I think The Wall was sabotaged by an Islander fan...

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:55 pm EST

BOB: Type your post in the window. Once done, copy the damn thing & then hit the "spray the wall button"... It's NOT going to post.... THEN get back to the window box where you'd type your post, PASTE your previous post & hit "spray the wall." It always accepts the 2nd time around... Good Luck..

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:09 pm EST

Stewart may be on his way out of the league. Im under nob illusions. By ive seen enough of him to know he sticks up for teammates & can inflict. We get in a series and Marchand is running around bring Marchand he'll strangle him. He & Lucic have gone a bunch of times. You get him eith Zuc & those cant miss setups you could have something rare. York actually im wrong. Its more like a full step for Nash. VERY unusual seein a guyvthat big quick & talented.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:07 pm EST

WTF!!!! I go away for couple days and come back to this place and Hospo's DEFENDING a kid. WTF. Granted it's at the expense of throwing another kid under the bus but still; damn.

_Arc


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:06 pm EST

sorry for spelling it meant " remaining"

ilya


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:05 pm EST

Steve.Almost 4 times if it wasn't for Hagelin goal against the isles with few seconds remaning !!!

ilya


Fri Jan 30 2015 8:36 pm EST

I assumed that this was a conspiracy by HOSPO, RR and RF4L to prevent me from defending Kevin Hayes and trashing the fat doofus Chris Stewart.

Bob


Fri Jan 30 2015 8:36 pm EST

Wild breathing down his neck? Duke had a bad wjcs hasn't done much since going back to jrs where he should be owning if he's ready sorry but the only reason he would be jumping over miller is the French connection. Buch hasn't shown hrs coming over so we are making room for a guy who has not been very good and another who may not come over forget about counting chickens before they're hatched you're counting them before they are laid. I know you love duke but your love is blinding your judgement......Rabid that extra step is also a huge help you are 100% correct as you are about your other points on Nash this is the guy I said would show up this year and net 50. He finally got a fire lit under his arse and I believe not winning the cup did it.

York18


Fri Jan 30 2015 8:32 pm EST

actually all 4 were shutouts.... in basic reality.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 30 2015 8:31 pm EST

" The Rangers have now lost two straight and four of seven. In those seven games, they’ve been shut out three times. "

stevielegs


Fri Jan 30 2015 7:58 pm EST

Trade talks between the Leafs and Kings are allegedly heating up and it may or may not include Mike Richards :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 30 2015 7:57 pm EST

probably makes sense if sather can get 1 or 2 guys for players in the ahl or below, and / or picks. Then send 1 or 2 kids down......to post .....just right click your mouse hit select all on post and then right click again hit copy...first attempt won't go but 2nd will....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 30 2015 7:35 pm EST

Messier.... I couldn't agree more. My internet provider(s) should only be as consistent as this site has been over the years.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 30 2015 7:23 pm EST

That post went thru first crack Bob; and obviously C&P before you hit spray LOL, which I don't think I said. Btw, just looked it up to be sure; Anthony Duclair has 2 goals in 8 QMJHL games. and he had one goal in what?, 18-19 games with us? 3 goals on the year and Im supposed to quake in my boots at the thought of moving this kid? Don't think so. Btw II, Brassard is on pace for 62 points, a career high. Funny thing is it isn't he & Zuc making the magic so much as its Nash. But Id still vote to rearrange lines if we get somebody decent-good.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 7:16 pm EST

Bob Ive been doing same thing on my cell & now PC & its worked. Write your post in See The Wall box, click spray; I get different stupid messages depending which Im using, but C&P you post, arrow back and paste and the 2nd attempt seems to go through.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 7:13 pm EST

In case this one gets through, none of my other attempts have the past couple days. Any advice on how you all get your posts through?

Bob


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:56 pm EST

WILD - Yeah, I was jut busting your balls about that "mistake free" statement...I knew what you meant..

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:52 pm EST

AV had plenty of patience with Pouliot who he referred to as, "dans la lune," but he can't extend a kid Millers age the same courtesy.. If accurate, send him to the Robertsons for frogs legs....

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:51 pm EST

Fix the damn site already!

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:48 pm EST

Don't get the vitriol over technical glitches with the site. This has always been a free service for fans, and I would assume by fans. We should be grateful it still exists, and patient when it temporarily doesn't.

Messier11


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:48 pm EST

"In My Opinion" ;-) Moving Hayes to the wing may actually help with his development.. It reduces some of his defensive responsibilities & frees up some bandwidth between his ears, so theoretically he can implement a little rough & tumble into his repertoire and maintain good positioning....

mf


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:37 pm EST

And Hayes does stuff. His positioning is good, his passes are good. Yeah he has dropped off, but he is still far and away better away from the puck than Miller. It's a glaring weakness in Millers game...I doubt he is ever strong there.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:34 pm EST

Hospo: should have written it better. I don't mean totally mistake free, just the brainfarts that Miller seems to have...like his last game dropping the puck back just inside the RANGERS a blue line. And I also said that would FOR E the Rangers to keep him over other young guys. To force that he does need to play above the average young players level. Again. Due to the other guys on the team and upcoming he is in a tight spot. He would be a big part in getting a player who could help down the stretch and in the PO. So if Sather feels at all like other guys will pass him next year, he would be wise to move him before his value drops. OF COURSE however they could wait till the draft, or any time in the summer but if there are good trades that would be "wins" at the deadline....in any case, it's why they make the big bucks.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:29 pm EST

On the other hand if they are concerned with the loss of MSL or Zucc they would probably retain Miller since it would be better than a rookie being there...or at least most likely

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:27 pm EST

WILD - Who are you, AV?.."That's why earlier I said if he can play the next couple weeks of mistake free hockey and dominate his area of the ice than he can force the Rangers to keep him over "..What 21 year old kid plays mistake free hockey and dominates his position for two periods let alone two weeks? That's a pretty high standard when a kid like Hayes is allowed to do jack shit every game and keep on geting praised..

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:13 pm EST

York: I don't for one second suggest Miller for Stewart one for one, and I suggested he be moved for Hanzel as part of a deal. Partly due to who he is up against to get ice time. Miller (if Nash stays on the LW) won't get the top two lines on the left and on the right he has Buchnevich and Duclair breathing down his neck...and that's if another young C (tambalini or others) doesn't get moved to wing and create even more competition. At Center with Stepan, Brass and Hayes along with Lindberg and perhaps one of those young C's still in the system make it hard for him there. That's why earlier I said if he can play the next couple weeks of mistake free hockey and dominate his area of the ice than he can force the Rangers to keep him over other young guys. If he can't do that his value may never be higher than this deadline. It's, at least IMHO, not his inability to become a second line guy or a 3rd line C, but more the fact that there are a few really good young prospects on their way that allow the Rangers to even consider moving a prospect of Millers ability and potential.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 5:54 pm EST

True York. To me the half step extra makes all the difference in Nash's game. D men hate to get beat outside, and if you cant catch him you have to back up. But thats just the rush. Its hitting the holes quicker, getting there with time to operate. And his stick has been better, and his shooting more varied. Its all better lol. And hes playin his ass off, excellent D, hes sticking up for himself and carrying his stick higher. All good shit. Btw thought it was cool a little Pg 6 blurb Hank went out, to his restaurant I think but then went somewhere else to meet Nash for a drink. Good to know the guys are tight.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 5:31 pm EST

ok so then don't trade any roster guys, but get a center and a neil......can sather get that done?..who can he trade?.......probably no trades will happen......then no discussion......this is it....now it's veenyo's problem......right now he seems to be lost again, as does his team.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 30 2015 5:24 pm EST

WiLd funny but Hayes was more coveted as a Wing who could play center before coming here and being moved to center. As for being rated I always said miller was a third line center with skill who could move up to second line to fill in or when he was hot. On wing he could be a second line player but you're talking about him like he's trade fodder which he hardly is and I wouldn't trade him for Stewart who has sucked for some time now.

York18


Fri Jan 30 2015 5:14 pm EST

Rabis Nash is playing better because he's going to the met with authority again. He's cutting to the middle hard and not fading back on his cut which is making it harder for goalies to track him and he's forcing dmen to back off again last year he did not do those things till mid pkayoffs.

York18


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:31 pm EST

That seems the case on Moore, Wild. I dont like dealing him. In a perfect world, hold ontovyour hats, Id be in no hurry to move any of these kids. But in a perfect world we wouldnt be feeble & in danger of getting run over and our 3rd line wouldnt suck. so choices have to be made. I too keep JT over Hayes but its close. Heres the thing; Sather measures kids by if they can be great, or excellent, if you prefer that word. I font know any of JT, Shaggy, Moore will be. I suspect not. Though Hayes might have the best chance of finding a home and growing. But on that basis theyre just players to Sather and he'll deal anybody, he doesnt give a shit.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:23 pm EST

WILD - I couldn't care less..maybe I'm right and they're wrong....You know..HAYES is a FULL YEAR older than MILLER..HAYES has had one VG year in BC, nothing else while MILLER basically had one VG year in Hartford of the AHL...HAYES has been coddled and nurtured by AV..MILLER ha been given the bum's rush too often...All hayes has shown me is that he has a long reach and can transport the puck,..nothing else....MILLER, otoh, has shown flashes of everything at one time or the other..Both have shown weakenesses,,,,Sorry, I think MILLER will be the better all around player when all is said and done....Well, that's when he gets away from AV

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:20 pm EST

Rabid: IMHO with Moore it's a couple things. 1- he hasn't been as good as last year, not as consistent. 2- due to other similar guys salaries he would get a big big raise as an RFA with arbitration rights. So moving him is both a hockey and business decision. If they can use him to get another D or a center, it makes some sense. I don't beleive for a second that they are sour on him...it's just the nature of a cap controlled NHL...

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:16 pm EST

Miller has to really step I. His next game. Make almost zero mistakes, and dominate his area of the ice. If he does that he will either force them to NOT trade him, or he will help the Rangers and Sather go get a top player to help this year. But I think he can make the Rangers forget about trading him...at least for now...with a couple weeks of solid mistake free hockey

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:14 pm EST

I like how Miller has handled himself this year. Idk if anyone caught it but a few weeks back he came to the bench after taking a big hit I think & AV said something to him & whatever JT said it cracked AV up. Point is it doesnt always have to be dislike or animosity. Teams have schemes & cycles and sometimes people dont fit. If for instance you sent JT for Stewart I think its an overpay. But if we sent a 3rd and got back a no. 1 (Buffalo has two) it becomes more palatable. Who knows. Nobody mentioned it but Brooks today said 'all but certain" Moore is dealt. Im not sure what happened there. Thought AV loved him & he hasnt been bad. But its that time of year. They put the word out, just like Zippay fid with JT a few weeks ago.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:13 pm EST

Hospo: you may be the only person that would rate Miller ahead of HAYES. Most hockey people see Hayes as a future top two center. Miller used to be thought of that way, but now it seems his future is at wing...and it may be as a 3rd line one....but I think if he continues the way he is going he will end up a 2nd line guy who pisses of his coach and the fans now and again with a brainfart in his own zone or with the puck.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:11 pm EST

WILD - Yep, been saying the same even if he is my fave prospect..

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:10 pm EST

The other issue facing Miller. He has been on the RW a lot it seems...but if he can't get settled in on the left (or center) he will have a tough go with Duclair and Buchnevich developing. So Sather may try and get good value for him now instead of later. Especially if they can get a good get center, or a nice big forward with some talent and has shown it at the NHL level, it would seem wise to do so.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:03 pm EST

As for MILLER, so many of us like him, but we also see how he might be the Ranger one big trade chip for this year because of how things have developed (or not) between him and AV..Personally, i'd trade Hayes first

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 4:00 pm EST

RINK - Man, I loved MALLETTE..thought he was gonna be a Ranger power forward for years...But Damn SMITH played SATHER like a fiddle in the whole signing and arbotration case for GRAVEY

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:56 pm EST

I like those "flashes" that JT Miller keeps showing and I think he could develop into a good power forward but I thought the same thing about Troy Mallette. So, if Miller brings the NYR's a proven NHL player, make the deal. We hardly knew ye, Troy.....

RinkRat


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:43 pm EST

Chatter has picked up a lot this past week from what Ive seen, and grown more specific. Again, could prove 100% accurate or someone made it up sitting behind their computer. But I have a pretty good b.s. detector and some people have been getting good stuff for years. I think based on what ive seen it wont be much longer. 2 weeks for their big move. They wont want to leave it all till the deadline ramp up. And just from amalgamated bits & pieces, seems to me one thing Rangers have done is found an appetite for Miller. Any of Carolina, Buffalo, AZ would be happy to have him. Marketed right, as a kid rounding out his defensive game but cheap, young big & very talented, hed go a long way toward bringing back badly needed pieces. The rest of those deals come together pretty easy. Except for $. Teams will always do all they can to max their positions. That could mean waiting. Or could not, if they think theyre going to lose an intetested buyer.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:41 pm EST

WILD - By might or might not I meant that their records over the next three weeks will determine if they become sellers..They tank, they sell,,,be stupid not too

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:32 pm EST

Hospo: TOR gives me the impression that they are trying to stay above the fray...and I have had the feeling that the draft is when we will see them active, or leading up to it. Nothing I have heard...just a feeling.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:26 pm EST

WILD - Those are the 4 main teams, and I think you can add OTTAWA. After that, we might or might not see teams like CBJ, TOR and even NJ emerge as sellers

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:26 pm EST

Rumors that just a couple of mid level prospects might get Stewart out of BUF. I know he makes a bunch...but the Rangers need to shed a couple contracts before kids graduate to the pros next season. Stewart on the 3rd line RW would IMHO be an improvement over Stemp. Just don't know how cap would work. But it would be interesting to at least look into

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:21 pm EST

RF4L: Yeah. It seems like it's been far to quiet on the trade front. Could mean it will be a slow deadline...or it will explode all at once. As for Arizona, as HOSPO a just pointed out. Everyone is on the block, save for Doan who has a full NMC and even if he didn't they would respect his wishes of staying there. That has been reported by multiple people, and not one person from the team has tried to slow that talk down. I think they and the Sabers will be part of at least 25% of the trades approaching the deadline with the Oilers and Canes right behind.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:21 pm EST

Hello?

Bob


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:14 pm EST

RF4l - The latest --see the Hockey tweets--from Don Maloney is that EVERYBODY but DOAN is available from AZ including Yandle, OEL, Korpedo and, I'm sure, Hanzal..

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:13 pm EST

Yeah, good point about the other beaten up topics, too. I think one reason they are getting rehashed so much is because we're all anxiously waiting for some deals to go down! Get antsy....

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:12 pm EST

RF4L - Honestly, like most discussions on here, they always get old..You try to stay away, then they pull you back in..:)..It's not just the trade discusssion, it's hayes, it's Miller, it's St. Louis, it's the toughness issue, it's this, it's that..Everybody knows where everybody stands already,,,Partly because of the number (or lack of) of people posting......Partly because the Ranges have been a fairly unaltered team all year.....Just not much new to be said except when there is a game or some new names start popping up...or sather does something..Here's to change!

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:09 pm EST

BTW, so much love for Hanzel and Gretal on here but when I read the (same old) rumour pages Hanzel is never mentioned as being on the block.

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:05 pm EST

Wild thats exactly the deal they should be trying to make. Youve gotten much smarter in just a few hours and I apologize for my earlier near-outburst. The asset-hoarding gets me crazy after 15 years when we have a stacked team on the cusp. Id take a waivet on a Stewart or Neil too for a couple of picks and/or B prodpects. Hanzel & Stewart and lets get it on. But I get a chance at a big upgrade, this year? One or more of those kids is in the dessert.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 3:03 pm EST

Is it just me or does this trade deadline seem to 1) have more pressure in terms of the Rangers needing to participate than experienced any year in the past and 2) does it seem ridiculously inactive to date? I mean, I'm engaging in them too but these arguments/discussions are getting old really really fast (WADR of course).

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 2:45 pm EST

WILD - That's your opinion, and it's fine..Of course, it' smart to look at all options to see if you can find an unbelivable bargain like the Miller-Hanzal one you mentioned,..It's the GMs job to do that......But there might be GMs (and fans) out there that really like Vermette (or whoever) over what else is available, feel he is the piece they need and they are willing to take the chance and pay the high rental price to try and win the cup...Both strategies can be winners,..Again, all depends on your point of view..Personally, I won't destroy the future, but i don't give a shit about 2 years down the road relative to now..Doesn't mean I won't take a younger player if he's the relative bargain.

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 2:33 pm EST

...and before any Miller fans jump on me....I am not necessarily advocating the trading of Miller. just picked a young player who fits the level of prospect/young player I was looking for.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 2:30 pm EST

IM not saying you don't trade young players. Im saying you don't trade them for a guy who will be gone soon after the season ends after getting into a bidding war to get him. While the bulk of GMs are focused on getting Vermette, or trying to, I say angle for Hanzel. He will probably end up costing less, just because the focus will be on the big name of Vermette, the guy people see as the more skilled. The Ragners don't need another guy like him. Sure he would help, but I think a guy like Hanzel helps MORE and will help into next season as well. He has more size, and strength, and plays a more simple game. . Rather could also try to get him for less than some think due to his injury history. The guy is hurt a lot.However, he plays 17-18 min per night in Arizona, in NY he would be lower, what 15-16 that may help ruduce injuries and there are some young guys who can step in for some games here and there. But this year, he is scoring at the same pace as Vermette, but has 11 less games played. If vermette costs a top prospect or top young player and a 1st. maybe Hanzel will cost that player and a second....or a lesser player and a 2nd. Would anyone do Miller/2nd for Hanzel/3rd? Can Arizona expect more than that? Maybe...maybe not. Depends on if the teams are focusing on Vermette and its getting down to the wire. I just think that there are other moves, that will be a better use of assets that going once again for the big name...it is a plan that has failed more often than not, not only for the Rangers but around the NHL.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 1:18 pm EST

RABID -Easy there fella.I know where you are coming from....Personally I've been the Wall's SCREW THE KIDS Go For It vet lover whipping boy for quite a few years..But, you know, .It's two different strategies and points of view ..Neither right or wrong..Don't get too worked up about it and just have fun

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 1:03 pm EST

ALWAYS WITH THE MIDDLETON-HODGE DRAMA...... PLEASE. "Trading the farm, mortgaging the future, emptying the cupboards", whatever incredibly tired old phrase you want to use for a hockey trade where heaven forbid you trade a prospect - or a draft pick - or both to try to win a Stanley Cup. Makes me SICK. I never said anything so drastic. And I told you already this year, FUCK the children. Im supposed to rest my hopes on Shithead Shaggy Hayes and Don't Hit Me Duclair? I think NOT.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:59 pm EST

And some say size doesn't matter....The little posts go straight through...

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:58 pm EST

RINKRAT - OK, got ya...And agree

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:55 pm EST

Rabid: Last year....really...you will say LAST year matters more than THIS year? I don't care what Nash did last year...or MSL, or Zucc. I am worried about THIS year. Meaning. NASH is coring from the LW. MSL is outplaying Zucc and out scoring Zucc (1 point in last 5 for Zucc vs 4 in last 5 MSL as well as the entire season) You also seem to think that giving up the farm for Vermette is smart...but he WILL NOT BE RESIGNED BY THE RANGERS. He will cost a million MORE than MSL does this season. SO great, you want to jettison both MSL and Zucc than, because there may be zero cap increase. You can't do fantasy trade half the roster and replace them with kids...wait, you traded them all for Vermette.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:23 pm EST

Wild, I have neither the time nor the patience right now to rehash all things MSL, except to say today you're leading the league in stupid. For one, Nash didn't score from LW at all last year. At least he scored from the right side last year, which figures. He is a better RW, a career RW. he might score even more there this year. He would be fine going back with Kreider & Step, and they would be better as well. But they have bent over BACKWARDS to accommodate St Louis and he hasn't shown up for two months. The guy gets his cutie-pie assists and NOTHING more. with OODLES of Prime Time ice. and IDK where you get off saying Zuc hasn't shown up for 10 games. Everyone knows he plays hard. On Vermette, you say for every reason other than what he'd bring ON THE FRICKIN ICE you would oppose his acquisition. More brilliance, and what a thoughtful internet GM to be mindful of the long-term budgetary implications of his acquisition. Except the published, quoted 'price' on players is never the actual price - not that it matters much this year imo. GM's put that out there, they start high. Should they start low instead? Duh. And you afford Vermette next year (and are 1-2-3 as deep as anybody in the NHL) when you JETTISON the fucking retiree loitering around RW & our PP.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:19 pm EST

HOSPO - Oh I agree that Vermette offers much more than Gaustad. I was more commenting that Vermette is now this "hot ticket" item and a team will most likely pay more than he is really worth hence the "The Paul Gaustad Syndrome". I feel Vermette could assist the NYR AT the right price (Insert "Duh!" comment here.)

RinkRat


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:03 pm EST

RinkRat - IMWO, there is no comparison between Gaustad and VERMETTE...Vermette is a complete player that can do a bit of everything..Score..PP...PK..Pass..play with an edge.FO...He is not just a FO guy.......And the Rangers need more than just a FO guy.....That being said, if the price is to high, you have to look elsewhere..All depends on how much, as an owner/.GM (screw the Fans, they will always complain) you think you can or want to go for it.......

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:59 am EST

I said yesterday, or was it two days ago...that Vermette is the guy I want LEAST. NOT because of his skill set, but because of his initial cost and the cost of retention. There are players to bring in that can help that will cost less, and 1- have a year or two left or 2- be less cap destructive to retain in FA.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:51 am EST

As for Glass and possessions numbers. I think the possession numbers can be VERY misleading. For guys on the top two lines they should be positive...but the bottom two lines it really doesn't show much. When you dump the puck down deep, and the other teams D gets to it and puts it around the boards, you DO NOT have possession, but a good 3rd/4th line will still forecheck and keep the puck down in the offensive zone for 25-30 seconds, than they might get a quick take away and a shot, or they change. The possession stats look like crap, but it was a great shift. The top line can't be doing their job without the puck, but still the possession time can be really false. If the change occurs while the other team is rushing up the ice, and the top line gets into the game on a defensive stance, and than gets the puck and goes up the ice quick and on a two on one scores a gaol, they may STILL have a negative possession stat for the shift. Well guess what...no one cares if they score a goal and play good D before hand. So whenever I see someone using 1 stat, or just 2 stats (like possession and shot attempts) I just shake my head. I have said, and always will say, that stats, all of them together tell less than half the story, you need to watch the game to know how well a player is playing. And its why while I use stats with Zucc, I also point out that he isn't playing well by the eye test. Stats just tell PART of it....and for a 4th line guy like Glass, stats tell like 10% of what he does or doesn't do.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:47 am EST

"A first-round pick and a prospect or a good young player for Vermette"?? That should end any NYR interest right there, IMHO. I harp on needing another good FO guy but, man, I have to think we can get someone else similar at a lower price. (Vermette has Paul Gaustad Syndrome written all over it)

RinkRat


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:45 am EST

RF4L/JFC - Hayes lacks the intensity because he's a kid and he' still not strong enough, and either doesn't yet understand how far and how hard you have to go in the NHL or is a bit intimidated to play that way....Totally natural for a rook and some kids take longer than others..He seems to be one of them.....JFC --And you know I've been saying for years, SCREW AGE just give me the players that make the team the best it can be..that is not HAYES at C this year but it sure could be with him at W or forward depth in NY..he can still help the team..He can "develop" again over the summer

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:35 am EST

IMO Hayes lacks intensity. I can only assume it's because he's a rookie and tired and overwhelmed. I truly see no lack of urgency in his game, even when there's hitting and crap going on around, like at times in last night's game. He seems oblivious to it. Why he simply doesn't drive a guy through the boards once in a while is beyond me. Wake up boy!

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:33 am EST

Hospo: Agreed on Glass. I posted last night that I don't get the heavy criticism he takes on here sometimes. He's the only guy who'll fight and he's not a liability on the ice. Furthermore I suspect he's reigned in somewhat in terms of fighting by the pacifist loving AV.

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:33 am EST

Wild -- I want the best available guy at each position in the lineup. If Hayes shows he is the best option at W, then that's were he should be IMO. Only way to find out is to try him out there. Don't see why he wouldn't be good there....he played there alot in college and it's just a simpler position to play. It's not just about trying desperately to keep him in the NHL....I could care less about that. If he goes to the AHL, so be it. My point is that he might be our best option at wing and if so, that's were he should be.

JFC31


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:31 am EST

Re latest on Vermette: 'Bob McKenzie claims Arizona Coyotes center Antoine Vermette is the hottest commodity on the NHL trade market, with Anaheim, Chicago, Colorado, Montreal, New York Rangers, Ottawa and St. Louis have expressed varying degrees of interest. The Coyotes could get a first-round pick and a prospect or a good young player. Teams seeking him as a rental, like the Rangers, could bow out if the asking price grows too steep, while some of the team McKenzie mentioned could try to re-sign him.'

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:31 am EST

I see Glass is getting slammed again in Ranger internet dweeb land beacuse of his puck possesion stats....I understand the value of puck possession but, You know, it's doubtful you are going to win in the NHL if all you have is four fineessey lines that try to hold on to the puck..You need at least a few players or preferably a cohesive line that can hit, bang, forecheck, change the momentum, disrupt the other team's flow. and, by doing all that, somewhat control the puck....What I'm saying is that it's not GLASS's fault but the total lack of chemisty and difference in playing style when he's paired with prancers like Hayes, Stemp, ..Something like Moore between two cycking/hitting/tough bodies might do the trick..You know, like last year.... .AV has to figure this crap out...

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:20 am EST

JFC/WILD - Thanks on Legwand....Defientely not my top choice buit I put it out there becasue I could see him being a possibility.....The Rangers need a top 9 player and they need a little depth, too bad Sather has mismanaged the Cap...Anyway, one big thing is that it's doubtful the Rangers "healthy streak" continues this season...Right now, all we got is MIller/Glass and maybe Lindberger in the AHL..for the PO wars....Not good...

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:14 am EST

Buchnevich now has the 3rd most KHL points for a 20 year old all time (not too many years of KHL but still very nice)

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:13 am EST

Rabid: First of all...most do not see MSL as fouling anything up. Thats just a minority of people. As for Nash. You don't move a guy who is near the top of the NHL in goals...he is playing well on the LW side, and he is playing confident from the RW side. Don't mess with it. You want to know who is fouling up the top 6...ZUCC! For crying out loud. He passes when he has a great shot, or shoots when there is a guy wide open...at last this year. If you move Nash to the RW side again, the guy who would move to the 3rd line would be Zucc. Only on the Wall would someone suggest moving the 2nd leading scorer on the team to the 3rd line over a guy who barely shows up for 10 games at a time.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:09 am EST

Legwand is 3 mil this year and next. He doesn't really score enough or use his size all that much, kinda like B.Boyle, bigger guy who doesn't aggressively use his size enough, but doesn't shy away from getting hit. From what little I saw this year of him, he still has his Dgame and skating is still good. Just don't know if he is worth 3 mil for next season. Maybe he would be....but I don't know.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:08 am EST

With Nash not hot it shows the problems with the offense. Good news is theres still time and again imo, most of the answer - to reset back to last year's lines - is in-house. If they bring in a wing & reboot youd have 3 of 4 lines set. Only questin becomes the 3rd and seems obvious to me those wings would be MSL & Hagelin. My self-imposed silence on St Louis is almost over with Feb. Approaching, but think its become obvious to most now how he fouls out the lineup (and the PP).. so I dont have to say much, but I then see a problem in bringing in an expensive center only to stick him between those two. So its not an easy fix. Btw Dreger says OReilly deal could be close but doesnt say hes coming here. But just for instance if he did Hags-OReilly-Msl doesnt sound like worst line ever. Itd give us quality time & improve us. But not physical at all. So again not an easy fix. But get the top 6 straight at least.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:03 am EST

And WADR, that's where Duclair belongs. He'd be getting bounced around by AV like Fast and Miller are I suspect. Hell that was happening to him when the team was playing reasonably well.

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:02 am EST

JFC: Sure, but to run for the cup you have to be ready for injuries. Hayes playing wing will make him WORSE at C if he had to step in, lets say, second round, game 5...its better for the team to have him ready to step in at Center. They have other guys who can play wing. Even bottom 6 type who are still in Hartford. But i think that depth is more important, than finding a way to keep Hayes in the NHL

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:02 am EST

I'b be in favor of Legwand but I assume his contract will be an issue. The guy has a great blend of skills...excellent defensively, good scoring touch but not overly physical unfortunately. Good on the PP too

JFC31


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:00 am EST

Hospo -- no, he's now stuck in Jrs until their POs are over....mid May I think

JFC31


Fri Jan 30 2015 11:00 am EST

HOSPO: Only in an emergency. That would mean, not enough guys in Hartford, or the ECHL under contract or available to sign in time for a game. So basically...not going to happen. He needs to finish his season, and that will not be until probably the middle of the ECF.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:59 am EST

Good points all around regarding Hayes. The one big caveat for me is that we're trying to win a Cup. If Hayes at wing makes us better for a Cup run, then development as a center will have to wait AFAIAC. I really want to see a set of 5 games or so with Hayes at wing just to gauge what happens. If he thrives, then he should stay there, as the Cuo run trumps the development at this point IMO

JFC31


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:59 am EST

Legwand benched in Ott..On the trade list with Phillips, Neil and others...Isn't he under a brand new multi-year contract?

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:56 am EST

Just curious, Can DUCLAIR be recalled any time between now and the POs?

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:55 am EST

This is all old news and arguments on on HAYES..He hasn't changed the last 25 games or so...Send him to Hartford already (or sit him) so we can stop talking about him and get good two-way NHL center in here that will make a lot of diffrtence on how this team plays and especially, how this coach coaches....That said, I look forward to a much better and hopefully stronger and more determined Hayes next year

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:53 am EST

Wild: Agreed. And I know neither of are saying because we think he's crap. He's not. He looks like he's got a bright future but enough is enough. He's not the only but he is one reason the bottom 6 is a mess right now. Lots of fingers are being pointed at the top 6 for not scoring and that's understandable but good teams get goals from all 4 lines and when the top 6 struggle, which happens to all teams, on the good ones, the bottom 6 come thru. This team will be out quickly in the POs IMO if it isn't addressed.

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:51 am EST

RF4L: The hits stats are such crap. There was one point last night that Boyle hit two guy on one shift....I was all "that was Boyle!?" because he hit the guys good and hard, now he is not big so it didn't do as much as if it was Staal hitting a guy the same way, or Giradi, but it was a good hit. And he ends the game with 0....what? Also after the 1st i thought the hitting was up, so I went and looked, and there were two Rangers and at least 1 Habs forwards that had 0 showing and I KNOW I saw at least 1 each. SO going by the official stats is kinda crappy....not that they don't need to hit more....but still, if the hits were counted right it would be easier to know what is actually going on.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:48 am EST

RF4L: I think Hayes is overwhelmed. Not just by the play, but fatigue. He is not used to this kind of grind for this many games in such a short period of time. He isn't being lazy, you see him work hard, but it just looks like he has no energy to bring that top game for more than a rush or two per game. By the 3rd period he is not visible, but in the 1st period he was have these little flashes that make you think he will have a good game...but its just a tease. For sure, Hartford is the best option for him...and it will allow him to get a lot of minutes 5 on 5, the PP and the PK and most importantly...taking lots and lots of draws. He doesn't take many in the NHL so he will not learn as quickly and will not improve as quickly. Lindberg has earned a shot at that 4th line. Also, they need to know if he will be able to step into that role as Moore gets older and closer to be 1- retired or 2- not retained after his contract is up. SO get Hayes down, get Lindberg up, and that will also let you know what you have and what trades to look for....there is about a month left, so its enough time to get a couple weeks of games in to help get things figured out trade wise.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:46 am EST

And 1/2 the defense (McD, KK and Boyle) with zero hits. Geeesh....

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:44 am EST

Stempnicrap and Fast with less than 10 minutes of icetime too. Meanwhile Fast, with 1/2 the icetime than many forwards, lead the forwards in hits (with 5). This kid needs to play more IMO. 4 forwards with 1 hit and 4 others with no hits. That's nearly 3 out of the 4 lines with minimal physical presence. Not acceptable, especially after AV went public with his desire to have his team finish their checks.

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:40 am EST

Vic: Hayes had another game of less than 10 minutes - he was absent for the most part in the 3rd. This is the norm lately with AV and Hayes. Without a doubt, especially given the stumbling play of the team overall, it's time to take a look at Lindbergh and let Hayes watch from the pressbox for a few games (or better yet, farm him out). I think Hayes needs a little more intensity to his game.

RF4L


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:39 am EST

HAYES: There are a couple reasons that I don't want him on wing...or think he will go there, and I don't care what he can do at wing at all. TO start the Rangers see him as a center, and a top 2 center at that. Moving him to wing would just go against getting him developed as a center. Now the biggest reason I don't want him at wing is this. Right now, if he is going to be getting the 4th line, send him to Hartford and let him replace Lindberg as the number 1 C there and call Lindberg up to be the 4th line guy. Lets Hayes take lots of draws and get ice time in all situations and work on his game at a lower level of pace and skill of opposition. There is a secondary reason for this. Depth. If there is an injury at C, and the Rangers need a guy to step in, would you rather have a young Hayes being callus up after playing 20 games as the top C in Hartford, or moving back from wing after 20 games having not taken draws or played the position for that time? It makes MUCH more sense to have him ready to step in playing the position, instead of trying to re-adjust to it. A week or so ago I called for him to be sent down due to hitting that rookie wall, I still say the same thing. I don't think he is playing bad, just not as good as he had been.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 30 2015 10:03 am EST

JFC: NASH is a finisher. He always has been. YORK has made the point here many times that NASH isn't a guy that makes his linemates better. He doesn't create offensive opportunities for others regularly. He creates them for himself. Nothing wrong with that. POULIOT is a skilled player that could do both but he also brought a physical aspect to that line. He created space for BRASSARD and MZA. He forechecked and retrieved pucks for them and crashed the net without the puck to draw defensemen and screen the goaltender. NASH is a different kind of player. If you can get NASH the puck in a position to score he will. If you can get NASH the puck in a one on one situation he can create his own scoring chance. This is my main beef with BRASSARD. He really isn't creating for NASH except on the PP where there is much more time and space. Even then he is really just getting NASH the puck and NASH is creating scoring chances. As for MZA, he has had chances. He just isn't scoring. He was getting more chances earlier in the season but lately he just hasn't been playing well. He came out this season trying to be physical. I don't know if he thought he had to be that guy on his line now that POULIOT is gone. Whatever it was he got himself hurt and has had an off year ever since.

Vic


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:53 am EST

HOSPO: I think I've been pretty consistent regarding HAYES. What you and I have argued about is that I really don't think replacing him with VERMETTE does much at all in terms of helping the Rangers win a Cup this year. It makes the Rangers better but not significantly and it doesn't address the bigger problems with the team that will prevent them from going far. If those other problems were already fixed then yes replacing HAYES with VERMETTE in the lineup would be a no brainer. On LINDBERG, I think we've seen enough of him at the NHL level to have an idea of what he would bring. He is a steady but unspectacular player much like FAST. Responsible. Good defensively. Good skater. Not particularly creative offensively. Right now I think he deserves a shot and a stint in Hartford would help HAYES.

Vic


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:46 am EST

Not making excuses for Zucc's lack of scoring, but I had not considered the point about the big difference between Pouliot and Nash on the line with Brass-Zucc. Poo was similar to those 2 because he enjoyed making a nice pass as much as scoring a goal and did so alot more often than Nash. Not that Nash should do more passing....if it ain't broke, don't fix it...but it would be a factor in terms of linemates' goal totals.

JFC31


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:41 am EST

Vic -- you might be right about Hayes hitting the wall physically....it's a big adjustment to these many games and the physicality. I don't think Hartford would be a bad idea but I want to at least see what he can do at wing. Straight north- south on the wing is less demanding than center and if we bring in another C at the deadline, I'd rather see him at 3rd line wing than in Hartford becauise I think he can contribute alot at that position with less pressure to carry the line.

JFC31


Fri Jan 30 2015 9:17 am EST

Vic - Well, it's about damn time on Hayes! Just kidding, no need to defend your timing...But, the Rangers indeed need somebody else at "3rd" C..and Dominic Moore needs to be the 4th/FO center (though get alot of time)like last year....And I really don't think Sather can wait a month for this move or we may end up figthing for the few bottom PO spots.....Needs to make his move soon or, in the absence of such move, at least give LINDBEGER a chance..The kid looked like he had a complete game when i saw him for HART......

Hospo


Fri Jan 30 2015 8:53 am EST

BTW, if anyone was wondering I thought HAYES had one of his worst games this year last night. It had nothing to do with his linemates. He rarely had the puck and when he did he didn't do much with it. He had more trouble staying on his feet then usual (and that says something). On a positive note I did notice him busting has ass to backcheck. But really, he should be in Hartford right now. He has clearly hit the wall in his first year. I'm sure he will get his 2nd wind in a few weeks or a month from now but right now him being in the lineup isn't fair to his teammates and it isn't fair to LINDBERG. There is no harm in sending him down to get his playing time and confidence up. I don't think moving him to wing is good for him long term even if he plays well in that role now. I'd rather they keep him at Center and send him to Hartford for a while. I still think he could be an important depth player in this year's playoffs if he can get his game back on track to where it was in early to mid December when I thought he was playing well (outside of the faceoff circle).

Vic


Fri Jan 30 2015 8:44 am EST

RR: Yes, I posted that I thought the Rangers would go into a downturn for a few weeks right after the game in SJ. However, I did not expect them to roll off 3 wins in a row right after the two losses to the Islanders and Boston. At the time I thought it was the Rangers righting the ship much faster then I had expected. Now they have lost 2 in a row again. It isn't just that the offensive output is down. Right now they just look disjointed again. There are still flashes of really nice passing and quick puck movement breaking out of the zone but once they get into the offensive zone it just looks like they aren't on the same page. I see open guys cutting to the net and open shots but then no pass. I see forced passes into coverage and I see a lot of disjointed play as if these lines hadn't played together much. The first 2 lines have been largely intact all year so this little lack of chemistry seems weird. We know they aren't as bad as they have looked in the these two mini losing streaks the last few weeks and we know they aren't as good as they looked during the long winning streak. They are somewhere in-between. The hard part for SATHER and Co. is figuring out just how good they really are and what they need for the playoffs.

Vic


Fri Jan 30 2015 6:03 am EST

MF-nash has 15 assist because the other two idiots never shoot, Zucc would pass on the goal line if he had the chance

puckyou


Fri Jan 30 2015 1:24 am EST

AV hides his cards well. His answers take downplaying to an art form. Hes had tough teams in the past. He had nobproblem using Carbomb last year. But he wants guys that can play, understandably. Sounds like most of guys theyre looking at are bigger, tougher variety, so theres some hope.think it was Vic who said this little rough patch was inevitable and it was. But not far from a monster win streak Im getting a creepy feeling for them. Callups are long overdue but they dont want it. So it'll have to be via trade and cant come soon enough.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 30 2015 12:31 am EST

31 days until the trade deadline so the end is near for all this guesswork ....... Would AV allow a guy like Stewart to play to the strengths of his game?? AV doesn't seem to allow players to play to their strengths and then massage their play into his strategies.. He seems to bench them instead…. Can’t see us going into the playoffs with the F/O situation as is, but if AV is being genuine about his comfort level with keeping Hayes as the 3rd line center, are we vying for 2 wings or 1 wing & 1 defenseman? .... If he's full of Frog-doodoo, they're going for a center & where do they play Hayes, RW 3rd line, 4th line, Hartford? Probably 3rd line RW since I can’t see him jumping to 2nd line RW… So if it’s a center they’re targeting, the damn center already so we can see Hayes performance on that RW & let them start to build chemistry... Who knows, maybe having Hayes on the RW turns out to be the greatest thing since Baseball & Big Apple Pie for us & the Right Side falls into place the same way we’re hoping that the addition of a Center causes the bottom six to fall into place.. … Then determine if we’re going for a wing, D’man, or holding pat…… ... Also, I would not quit on guys like JMoore & JTMiller, I'd bring in guys to work with them intensively until it clicked, I don't want these guys traded, they're obviously NHL players, they’ll catch on... I'd rather raid Hartford to make any trades happen, and YES, certain guys would be untouchable..

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:46 pm EST

MF I dont doubt your observations BUT check this angle; they went to the SCFs largely with those two lines. Substitute Stewart for Pouli & dont mess with success. This coach is proving to be an ass as many nights as not. He needs a better batting avg. This Nash will score from anywhere. This is ghe Nash the CBJs had and he was a beast - on RW. They were plenty creative anyway, he Step & CK. They can go wherever they want. But time to get this thing organized. We'll be down the stretch soon. Cant be getting nothing every night from Fast, Hayes, MSL and dporadic contributions from the rest.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:36 pm EST

RR: I've paid attention to the angles Nash has scored from this season, and they've been much more straight on and higher percentage than last years wide angle shots from the RW and originating from the right side of the ice..

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:27 pm EST

Nash is in better condition. Thats why hes scoring. Not from switching sides though i know you believe that. That was a good line with the old (italics if I could) Nash. Theyd be good. Consistently imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:26 pm EST

In an effort to protect NASH, and under the premise that it is best to get a big body RW for his line, I'd rather go for STAFFORD over Stewart.. Stafford can play top six minutes and instinctively goes to the net. He did it against us, & "The Hockey News says so! ;-)" Two strategic pieces could cause the bottom six to fall into alignment & at the same time align the order of our RW's.... MSL, MZA, Fast & Stempniak just doesn't counter balance what we have on the Left Side.. If we have to pay up for a center, Sather's going to need to negotiate a good deal on a wing..... He can probably do that for Stafford... If we do sign 2, Hayes or Miller or Fast are going to get pushed out & gone are Stempniak & Glass.. Casualties of the battle.. Boo Hoo

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:20 pm EST

Can't see shifting NASH back to the RW.. Are you playing Kid K on the RW ?

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:08 pm EST

Itvis a recipe for weakness! Been sayin that since Boomer broke MSL being traded here. Saw it coming. Get Stewart, stick him in Puliots old spot. Re-unite Nash-Step-Kreider. MSL backs up yo 3rd. He might be tutoring Kreids but he aint doin squat for him on ice. With Zuc neutered by Nash not passing (though he made a brilliant try tonight) snd Kreider hot & cold it really hurts. Brassard isnt in the flow much either. Then if you acquire a center youre figure a bit depending who it is. You MUST boost the offense. Youre never getting ANYTHING from the 4th. Moore & Glass could skate around till judgement day an dc not manage one.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:35 pm EST

RR: After reading today's posts, me thinks that 1 of MSL / MZA needs to be on the 3rd line & 1 in the top six... Both little guys in the top six seems like a recipe for weakness.. Nash still with only 15 assists

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:31 pm EST

Without Nash scoring every night, there really isnt much offense. They need a shakeup. MSL out of the Top 6.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:30 pm EST

BTW, Nash looked like he did too many times last year. Worse, it's clear the Rangers talked about being physical and it showed - lots of hits. Guess how many Nash was credited with? ZERO. The fact he was basically invisible is no surprise. I sure hope he's not about to rest of his first 1/2 laurels...

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:22 pm EST

BTW, more uneven play from Boyle and other than a post, invisible play from MSL. $10,000,00+ for the pair, so gotta keep their icetime up!

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:15 pm EST

RF: Type your post in the window. Once done, copy the damn thing & then hit the "spray the wall button"... It's NOT going to post.... THEN get back to the window box where you'd type your post, PASTE your previous post & hit "spray the wall." It always accepts the 2nd time around... Good Luck..

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:13 pm EST

Instead of embracing some of Torts shut down and force them to the perimeter defensive approach, AV looks to be embracing if the kids make one mistake they ride the pine... Only difference is, Tortorella is a loud mouth asshole & this guy is a mild mannered on the outside and a tyrant on the inside..... jmo snatcherally

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:11 pm EST

FIX THIS POSTING PROBLEM DAMMIT!

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:08 pm EST

Toronto is about to lose to ARIZONA, Kessel scored the 1st goal & then 3 unanswered by the Yotes.. SHG by O-E-Larrson, Hanzal, PPG- Gagner (Mrs.RF4L is not gonna be happy)

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:04 pm EST

mf: Didn't see the game, but I'll bet the Bruins went to the net and fed off Halak's penchant for rebounds.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:03 pm EST

RF4L: its becoming more & more obvious that it's AV crap.. We're faster & more physical with JMoore & JTMiller in the lineup, regardless of TGlass' effort tonight... WTH is with this coach??

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:02 pm EST

Stempnicrap stinks. Didn't like his signing and I knew he'd regress into what we are seeing now.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:02 pm EST

Sorry but, GET VERMETTE..put him with Hags and ??? Moore shiuld be a 4th line C..Hanzal would be fine also..a 4th line FO guy.will not be..

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:59 pm EST

JFC: I was hoping Kid K would embed Slewban into the sideboards

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:57 pm EST

Lots of positives tonight and some negatives. of course. First quick observation for me: J Moore is Jitters MIller II. Why this guy continually sits over Hunwick is beyond me. Yes I get Hunwick is a little more polished but he's 1) small 2) a fringe d-man 3) at his age never going to more than he is now. Moore is big and young and will hit and will fight. I mean, on this team desperate for a physical edge it really makes no sense. It's more AV crap I think.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:57 pm EST

Guess Boston matches up better against the IceDogs than we do, Bruins win 5-2, guess Halak spent himself vs the Rangers....

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:54 pm EST

What a complete punk Subban is....yaps in the box at Kreider and says he wants to fight, then tries to get Kreider a penalty by REFUSING to fight....and the REF rips him!! LOL! Tells him you don't offer to fight then don't fight! Even the ref thinks he's a punk!

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:52 pm EST

We really need Fast & Stempniak as the 3rd & 4th line RW's? Ship Stemp out of here & keep the kid for 4th line RW..... Wonder if Shittsburg wants T.Glass back, one way to find out, Glenny make the call... Get JTMiller back on 4th line LW....... And BTW, for all the Zucc traders, NASH has 15 assists !!!! Of the top 30 point producers in the league, he has the 2nd FEWEST assists.... Thats BS !

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:50 pm EST

Wow, did The King ever screw his mates tonight....The rest of the guys deserved at least one point...No problem whatsoever with their passion or physicality..Damn, Staal and Girardi were beasts..But, it shows that when you know you are the bigger or mor physical team, the things you will do..They did little of that against the Isles..But, I digress..Yes, The King let them down but, otoh, they couldn't finish..Need at least on more player with skill and grit

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:50 pm EST

we gave away a first line player in dale weise

newfie2014


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:49 pm EST

we gave away a first line player in

newfie2014


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:48 pm EST

we gave away a first line player in

newfie2014


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:48 pm EST

J.Moore is on the same leash as JT Miller... Utter BS if you ask me

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:37 pm EST

Wow... What a bad goal.....

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:36 pm EST

Unbelievably shitty goal let in by Lundqvist...are his team mates allowed to yell at HIM?

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:28 pm EST

Still 9 minutes or so to go and no score. A few things I like seeing in this game were the fiesty play of KREDER, the physical play of STAAL and STEPAN standing up for himself.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:47 pm EST

The Rangers averaged 30 shots per game last year.

RDW


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:45 pm EST

Zucc having a good game...involved and on the puck all night

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:43 pm EST

J. Moore playing nervous all game...he's feeling the pressure from being benched...not good

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:34 pm EST

I'd have to say the Rangers have gotten the calls in this game so far. Have done nothing with it though.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:33 pm EST

Very unimpressive effort so far still no hunger no snarl , last years team was averaging 35-40 shots per game , no desperation !!!!

ilya


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:24 pm EST

The Rangers are one of 10 teams watching the Leafs and Coyotes in Toronto tonight.(The Fourth Period) Other teams watching are the Kings (2), Vancouver, Ottawa (2), Edmonton, Detroit (2) Buffalo (2), Philadelphia, Montreal (3) and St. Louis. (The Fourth Period)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:11 pm EST

That was a goal. But it makes up for the goal that MZA scored a few weeks ago that didn't get counted.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 8:07 pm EST

Earlier talk about Kreider gatting a reputation for running the goaltenders, well PK Slewban has a reputation for embelishing & diving to go along with his Slew-footing & the Ref's are calling it... Good for them...

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:55 pm EST

McD is the new captain leetch .... Can't handle the job...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:54 pm EST

Toronto consistently stupid . That 's conclusive.... But It was a goal . screw the hab nots...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:51 pm EST

McD is just flat-out not playing well....

RDW


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:50 pm EST

RDW: that puck was in, however the way the Rangers are playing, I think they win this one....

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:47 pm EST

Toronto trying to find any way possible to call this a goal....

RDW


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:56 pm EST

Nick it was worse to me getting swept in MSG in the post lockout year.......Debbie fans with brooms that they rode in on.....needed to be shoved you know where, instead nyr fans got it.......a real disgrace.....I was there......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:52 pm EST

Hey Stevie I figured I hit the highlights. Man I hated losing to that crew in 2012 something fierce.

Nick


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:50 pm EST

REXI: Great website. Thanks! I love the adjusted Corsi representation of where a player falls in with respect to 1st Line, 2nd Line, 3rd Line and 4th Line. STEPAN shows as similar to BRASSARD but better. Exactly what I would say. BRASSARD and HANZAL are very similar as you would expect. HAYES isn't listed yet because he doesn't have enough minutes. However, I was crawling through stats.hockeyanalysis.com and looking at the raw Fenwick and Corsi info. Low an behold HAGS' numbers are very high. In fact HAGS is second only to NASH in shots directed at the net that were missed or blocked. I wonder how that could be since he has played the majority of the season with HAYES and HAYES has been criticized here for not making his linemates better because they aren't scoring. As I said weeks ago he had been setting up HAGS with a lot of chances and HAGS just cannot finish. ;-)

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:31 pm EST

Hospo sorry I missed OFFSEASON ...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:30 pm EST

Never said jt jitters is top line talent , he's in the bottom 6-7. I said sather can trade from bottom 6 down to ahl and beyond . If he becomes top line talent here or somewhere else, so be it.

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:20 pm EST

STEVIE - Good, then we are in agreement like usual..That's why I said anything like that type of move would be an OFFSEASON move....Was just saying it would be a hard, bold and ballsy move to make by Sather if he did it now..,,I'm with you, 3rd line C and maybe a little something else

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:14 pm EST

Stevie who says JT is top line talent? Its what we all hoped for but he hasnt proven he can even hold that job. By contrast Stewart has. And we cant blame the coach though his handling of JT has been suspect imo.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 5:00 pm EST

Nick you forgot FATSO.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 4:59 pm EST

Hospo I disagree on trading top line talent for size. It's not time to panic or upset team chemistry. Sather has bottom line guys, alhers, prospects and they oh don't trade picks . That should be good enough to get what you know I want..... A center and a Neil......that takes 2 bottom guys out of the lineup......a 4 player swing is plenty.....2 in 2 out.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 4:55 pm EST

OLA - I agree and disagree...Stewart has had 2-3 pretty darn good years even if he's the complimentary player (that's his role)..OTOH, he's very streaky where he goes long periods of doing nothing.Persoanlly, not my choice and I go elsewhere but it wouldn't be a surprise if he got traded here or anywhere and had 2-3 very good months to help the team big time...And that's what you are trading for..and taking the risk for

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 4:50 pm EST

Yahoo Sports asked, "What will you remember most about Marty Brodeur?" I posted: "Him banging his sister-in-law? His classy "Messier has lost playoff games too?" His vast overratedness on that skating soccer team he played for? The slavering adoration of a feckless hockey press? Yeah, that stuff. See ya, Uncle Daddy." I wanted to share. Yes, I hated him and his team more than any, ever.

Nick


Thu Jan 29 2015 4:05 pm EST

JFC I agree on Stewart. He has never really been good in the NHL. He is one of many forwards who has scored some pts on a top line in Colorado, Wolski is another. He was not good at all in STL and he hasn't been good in Buffalo. And if it wasn't for the fact that he will be real expensive as a UFA I might be more interested. Now we would get him for a few weeks.

Ola


Thu Jan 29 2015 3:24 pm EST

To bust Milan Lucic in his butt ugly mug?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 3:18 pm EST

Don't know that AV would want any part of Stewart. He's got all the same attributes as Malone, except younger. When I saw him in January, it looked like he was skating with bricks in his skates. Why would AV want him?

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 3:07 pm EST

Oh that's Ottawa Sun stuff down beloooooooow....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 3:06 pm EST

The Buffalo Sabres will hold on to winger Chris Stewart until GM Tim Murray is able to get what he wants. The Bruins, Senators, Flames and Kings have shown interest in Stewart, but the asking price is a high-end prospect and a top pick. Murray is ready to deal Stewart -- and as stated in the past he probably wouldn't mind the move either -- but not until the Sabres are able to get the right pieces for the future. That could change before the deadline, but Buffalo is holding the line. Part of the reason Stewart is valuable is there aren't many rugged wingers available this season ...

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:48 pm EST

Well if you wanted to look at it in terms of happy coaches & players, maybe Stewart & JT could both benefit from a change of scenery. This thing with JT took a weird turn imo, because to my eyes, when he was on the wing Miller was playing well. Some night very well. I cant not notice the giveaways though, and AV's policy might be one of zero tolerance. Stewart doesn't have an impressive line either, though I guess he's woken up a bit of late. 46 7 9 16 -23 47 2 0 0 86 8.1

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:39 pm EST

Then we start mixing, matching, and cloning. Call it "The Boys from Banff."

Rexi29


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:38 pm EST

Can we start genome-mapping the best hockey players?

Rexi29


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:37 pm EST

Worth a few minutes of your time. Thanks to Adam Herman sharing CORSI info from this website on Twitter: http://ownthepuck.blfor ogspot.ca/

Rexi29


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:28 pm EST

WILD - Yes, OTOH, he hasn't scored a goal in 10 games, so he isn't on that pace and he is frequently benched or sat for one reason or another...The other clubs will think this way not the way you laid out..Just my guess..None of this is about what I think of MIller but what his value would be in a trade.

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:17 pm EST

HOSPO: True, but 5 of those goals have come in the 24 games this year, and he is on pace for 61 games, 13g and 13a. That will make MOST teams feel that he will bring more than 3rd line production as he gets experience.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:09 pm EST

Hospo: I see your point, but will disagree. That said, he certainly won't fetch what he might 2 years ago because for sure, his reputation has taken at least somewhat of a beating due to the bouncing in and out of the lineup. That said, I've watched him closely in many of his Ranger games and even though some on here were lauding his play, until this most recent stint, I never saw it, save for an occasion shift here and there. What I've seen of him since his last recall has me convinced he's a legitimate NHL prospect who will indeed one day, somewhere play regularly in this league. Right now he's lining up to be a 3rd liner but I've seen enough good things on this stint to feel comfortable speculating his upside might be top 6. He just needs to play. Now why, given his size and apparent skill, not to mention skating ability, he keeps getting into AV's doghouse (for things we see that other players are doing as badly and frequently) is another thing and a tad disconcerting. If it's due to an attitude problem I guarantee possible trade partners will be aware and use that as leverage in their bartering with Sather. Players with suspect reputations everyone knows about - it just doesn't get discussed with the media (for obvious reasons).

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:03 pm EST

RF4L - I think you are over valuing and over-rating MILLER as far as realistic NHL trades go..I like the kid but .At 22 all he has shown is that he can be a 25 goal scorer in the AHL and has 10 goals in 80 NHL games...And a coach that benches him often...You don't strong arm teams with that...Just my opinion on his trade value

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:00 pm EST

Correction; It was Steve Zippay who raised the idea of JT Miller being used to obtain a forward. He then mentioned Staal later on.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:57 pm EST

Yeah Hospo, seems Miller's been offered around the league. Standard business. They need to know what he'd fetch. Brooks said as much a few weeks ago, and Im sure theyre further along with whomever theyre speaking with. RF, its nothing but trouble for me, honestly. I already know this stuff. If I think its pretty solid I put it here cause I know you guys might be interested. My suggestion is take it as utter bullshit LOL. and whatever happens happens. On KREIDER running the goalies, I did want to point out, yes, there are other fast guys (though very few that fast) but take even Hagelin by contrast. he may or may not be as quick, but Kreider is also 50 lbs heavier! IDK what that does in terms of physics, only Kreider knows. But that's a damn freight train to try to stop. That said, no question, he needs to either stop running goalies or run right through them and take the flag.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:52 pm EST

I could see Miller being moved if the right deal is there. I don't think AV dislikes him as much as some talk about, and I think there are some issues that the entire organization is tired of with him (seeing as how some of the same things have now been said by two coaches) If he is moved for Stewart it has to be a larger return for Miller, because while I do like Stewart, he isn't worth Miller by himself. On the other hand, AV warned that Miller would sit from time to time as he learned. What some on here call yanking his chain, may not feel like that for Miller, especially if AV and the rest of the staff are communicating properly with him.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:52 pm EST

So is what you're hearing Miller for Stewart straight up? If so, bad trade. Stewart, so they say, is out of shape and lazy and will be in AV's doghouse quicker than you can say Jitters Miller. It'd better be something more/bigger, like Stafford and Stewart for Jitters (and Barfalo keeps some salary, which won't hurt much - it's only until the regular season ends anyways).

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:46 pm EST

RABID - Can easily see the SABRES wanting MILLER for A Stewart deal..I can also see AV having no problem with it...Up to Sather maybe..We'll see...Don't let RF4L stop you, any rumor is a welcome rumor..All just fun boys

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:40 pm EST

RR: Friends in what sort of places? I mean you're quoting stuff the insiders aren't sniffing at and they're making their living being insiders! Look I wanna believe there's some validity behind what you're suggesting because it's better than the rehashing of the same speculation we're getting lately. Show me the money dude (or at least a few dollars worth).

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:39 pm EST

BTW, if AV's plans are to jerk Jitters' leash around indefinitely, then maybe it's best he get moved now, after he's played several encouraging games (compared to crap we saw last year and in October). I just hope he's not traded one up for a slug like Chris Stewart. How about Jitters, Hags, J Moore, MZA and Lindbergh to Barfalo for Stewart, Stafford and Myers?

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:38 pm EST

BOB - I was thinking Jagr! But seriously, I really like Miller and want him to play.....But, if the coach doesn't like him and is not his type of player, deal him when he has some value..Won't like it but.....

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:37 pm EST

Cmon RF. You know I immediately posted not official on Kassian & admitted I jumped the gun. Believe what you want, but in general I usually get stuff before its official (so do many others). Theyre called friends, and thats as far as Ill go. Its not like I dont post the 'fwiw'. But its crazy the rumor biz.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:35 pm EST

...decided NOT to retire...

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:34 pm EST

BTW, it's no surprise that Uncle Daddy, the media/attention whore that he is 1) called a press conference to announce his retirement and 2) took a senior advisor job with the Blues (to keep his name in the news) and 3) will travel with the Blues regularly (so the media all over the league has an easy opportunity to stroke his enormous ego. I wish this immoral prick would just go away. He must be rubbing his hands in glee anticipating the retirement ceremony in NJ, whenever it is. No doubt he's a tad upset that the NHL has decided to retire his jersey in every NHL city. What a nob.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:31 pm EST

RR: Where are you hearing this stuff from? It's nowhere on the internet. Surely you're not making this crap up, are you? I mean you posted last week that Kassian to Boston was done. I scanned the net and nothing. And guess what? Kassian is still a Canuck.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:26 pm EST

JT scratch might be a little different tonight. Heard its who Sabres want. NYR offered Moore but maybe they relented. Maybe. 3rd, 4th, 5th hand so who knows. Take it FWIW.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:21 pm EST

Miller scratched again? He of the very short leash. Maybe Sather can trade him to NJ for an AV type guy like Elias. Then he can haunt us for 10 years as he continues to develop.

Bob


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:04 pm EST

VIC - Even if some of the guys I had on my list the other day are pretty high on that list, I disagree...The Rangers have already built their team to follow AV's wants and whims...Now, it's time to fill in the holes with different types of players that the Rangers don't have and need..But I agree, everything else being close to equal, they will go with the puck possession guy.....

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:59 pm EST

Vic: Nope, Stone isn't going anywhere I suspect. Sens aren't PO bound (despite their wishes otherwise) and if not yet, will soon be looking to unload some veterans, like Neil and Philips.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:45 pm EST

BTW....if you are looking for possible names that the Rangers might be interesting in acquiring you might want to keep an eye on this list....(http://www.sportingcharts.com/nhl/stats/player-turnover-plus-minus/2014/)....Remember, for AV it is all about Puck Management. Guys who can control the puck and possession. Guys who can take the puck away from the opposition. I would bet any forward the Rangers target will be listed prominently there. One guy that caught my eye just before the break was MARK STONE. He impressed me in that game against the Sens. That is a big, strong, young and hard working RW that would fit the Rangers nicely. I doubt the Sens would consider moving him though.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:42 pm EST

Vic: I don't disagree but that's the way he's always played. He is, in other words, at best a 1B center and probably more suited to be a 2nd line center. As we know, Stepan is also a 1B center, although I'd pick him over Brassard if I had to (which AV hasn't done seeing as it's the latter who's centering the best Ranger forward).

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:38 pm EST

RF4L: BRASSARD's numbers make you think he is having a great season. But, the reality is that 1/3 of his goals and close to 1/2 of his assists are on the PP. At even strength he has been mediocre at best. He sucks on draws, turns the puck over too much and he is one of the worst offenders of the "lazy backcheck" and total indifference to picking someone up in the defensive end. The way NASH has been playing and scoring this year there is no way his numbers should be where they are at Even Strength. Remember, while the PP and PK are important in the playoffs there are less penalties called. More of the games are played at Even Strength. As for the SHAW rumors I've only seen a mention or two. Nothing reliable. There was one article that I saw that did speculate on a possible MZA for SHAW swap.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:27 pm EST

RF4L - Got ya..it's up the Master architect to decide what he thinks the team needs..it can range anywhere from "revamping" the top lines, jut bringing in a 3rd C, just bringing in a 4th FO C, both of the above, maybe a C and a tough guy?..And then there's the defense, and the Rangers have been connected to a few (i.e., Sekera)..Interesting times where injurie can also play a huge role....We shall see..

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:22 pm EST

Don't think he' anything better than Jesper Fats at this point in his carreer, but TJ GALLIARDI is on waves..Yeah, I think the younger guy might be better..:)

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:22 pm EST

How about this guy Emerson Clark on Greenville .He seems to be a pretty good player and a tough one,goes in the dirty areas and also can score.

newfie2014


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:19 pm EST

Hospo: I think you're missing my point. It's not necessarily to argue about what's missing in this lineup - it's about how many holes Sather perceives exist - if it's multiple he'll be more likely to try to engineer a bigger trade with 1 involving multiple players. If he thinks the team has 1 hole (i.e. 3rd line center), then he'll be pursuing 1 deal. Make sense?

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:15 pm EST

RF4L - As for physicality throughout the lineup? Dream on McDuffe! It jsut ain't gonna happen with the Rangers..It's not them...., they will have to do it like last year where they got pretty far, no? Guys like Step, MZA, Nash, Brass and others have to take that step forward in the intensity and nastiness required of ALL players in the POs...They made some strides last year..gotta go further..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:14 pm EST

Meant to say that dealing John Moore might be a fit with LA following up on the earlier post about Moore...

PatrickDiv


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:13 pm EST

I love Kassian and Hanzal but my wishe list doesn't matter for a hill of beans. That said, I just read that LA (who is up against the cap harder than a teenager without a prom date) is seeking to add a Dman to cover for the loss of bonecrusher Voynov. I have always loved Kyle Clifford and to a lesser degree King. They have a ton of size throughout their lineup and down on the farm. If I cant get Kassian, I wonder if there may be a fit out there in LA?

PatrickDiv


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:11 pm EST

RF4L - To each their own bullshit trade specualtion and desires!..I don't think VERMETTE solves the 4th line problem, I think he solves the 3rd line problem! The guy can do anything, offense, defense, FO,, check, score, to PK, to PP, the kind of edge you need in the POs...And would give AV with Hags and somebody else, a line he could throw out at any time...The one thing he doesn't give you is a big bad bone crusher...Get that for the 4th line and now you have a complete team..

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:03 pm EST

Hospo: Here's the thing: Vermette doesn't solve the lack of a 4th line and the lack of physicality throughout the lineup. If Sather believes upgrading the center ice spot is all that's required, then undoubtedly that's where he's concentrating his trade efforts. Like my post said, if he feels there are 2 or 3 areas that need shoring up, he's very likely talking shop with a team or 2 over a deal that will address (or attempt to) them all. It would be, therefore, a deal involving multiple players/picks/prospects. If that goes down I won't be surprised, given his track record and willingness to do deals. I'm not predicting it mind you because of the cap difficulties. I think a couple of smaller deals is more realistic, like the Kassian one and then perhaps something like a 2nd for Santorelli.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:47 am EST

RF4L - Your last sentence says it all.....It would/will be a bold/ballsy move if he does ..So much easier to just yell GET VERMETTE or proposes any trade from a keyboard...But, that's why he gets the big bucks...We shall see....One thing, last year it was supposed to be BOS and PIT tht were the monsters of the East...we beat one, avoided the other...This year I think there is more depth of good teams in the East, but BOS (and maybe TB becasue of their depth and skill) are the only teams I would really worry about in the POs...

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:44 am EST

How's this for trade number 1 (chronologically speaking, not importance): John Moore for Zach Kassian and McI recalled to fill Moore's spot?

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:44 am EST

“I always want to play these guys,” said Islanders goalie Jaroslav Halak, who was outstanding in making 40 saves in his first game back from his maiden All-Star appearance. “It’s a tight game, and it feels like a playoff atmosphere out there.” Halak has had his hands full in trying to outduel Henrik Lundqvist, yet it was Halak who was oh-so-close to making it two shutouts in a row against the Rangers. After 122:01 of shutout time — the longest the Islanders have ever held the Rangers scoreless in the two teams’ histories

Messier11


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:34 am EST

Hospo: I guess it depends on how Sather views the Rangers chances. I'd argue that if he felt they were one acquisition away from making a deep run last year (that one acquisition being MSL), a view I didn't share but was proved wrong, that very well could have been because he felt if the Rangers could avoid the Bruins, they'd have a good chance because they could beat anyone in the east (save for Boston). How is he feeling now, given the weakness of his bottom 6 (compared to last year's team) and the emergence of the Islanders and the Bolts, meaning, arguably, the Rangers have 3 foes they need to very concerned with (not to mention Montreal, who I feel they beat primarily because Kreider took out their number 1 goalie early in the series, and the Wings, who are leading the Atlanta division and tied for first overall in the east). In other words, the competition appears stronger this year compared to last. If Sather is of the same mind set, he'll more willing to make a bigger trade that churns up the roster. Of course, given the tight cap situation of the Rangers, that's far easer said than done. I will say this, however: If any GM is capable of it, both from a sheer ability to manufacture such a transaction and the balls to do it, it's Sather.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:21 am EST

Hospo: I do think that if the Rangers don't win the cup this year, that the offseason (starting at the draft) will be a busy one. There are a few teams who are in the same boat of wanting tome guys, but the offseason may be the time it happens (The AVS being one with O'Reilly) Some of the rebuild teams will be moving pieces at the draft for picks. Not that the Rangers should be giving up picks, but they could move mid level prospects for 3rd/4th rounders and flip those as parts of deals for players. If they win the cup, well, I imagine the only moves we see would be NEXT deadline (after this deadline of course) there would be no need to make bold changes if they win the cup.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:18 am EST

RF4L: I saw a few things over the last month, that due to Toews and Kane starting 10.5 mil per deal next year that there will be cap casualties. Shaw was listed as a guy they move this deadline since he has one year left at 2 mil than an RFA and he will get a big raise. The one year left will give them the ability to get more for him than other guys. Its not a sue thing he would get moved, but the arguments putting him on that list make sense.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:12 am EST

Personally, I have no problem with the Rangers making a BIG DEAL and trading some top line skill guys for some talent with more size..........But will Sather?...It's a bold move....I see it as an off-season move not deadline......It's one thing for us Internet bozos who just spout opinions to do such a trade, it's another thing for a GM of a Cup contending team..They get it right, chances for the cup go up...Get it wrong (i.e., chemistry; player failing in new surroundings) his goose is cooked..Us? we jut go on to the next opinion where we all think we're right.!.

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:04 am EST

BTW Vic, you've posted on here about the Rangers getting Shaw more than once; is he available? From what I've seen the Hawks have zero interest in moving him.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 11:01 am EST

Vic: I agree MZA has underperformed. Brassard, however, has not. In fact, from a career standpoint, he's on pace for his best year ever, to the point where his totals will best any other by 30%. The bigger issue is that the Rangers lack a true number 1 center and have since Messier's haydays (in the mid-90s). It's another Sather failing. It's also why the allure of Eric Staal remains - if acquired, he'd immediately be the best center the Rangers have had in nearly 20 years.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:56 am EST

RR: I don't buy it. There's lots of players just as fast (Hags being one of them) who are able to pull up. I do agree that he's trying to be aggressive and use the body (something Hags doesn't do) so there will be times when unintended contact occurs. But for me, it's happening too often. He's got a reputation now (that's earned) so he needs to learn to reign it in a bit, without losing that physical edge.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:55 am EST

Rabid: In defense of the refs the other night with Kreider. He did try to pull up, but it was really really late, I think he kind of lost his spacial awareness and didn't realize he was so close. As soon as I saw it I cringed because it looked like he waited to try and stop. His reaction to me, on rewetting it, was one of "Oh S@*t!" and he tried to stop but no way he could...TECHNICALLY that is a penalty....HOWEVER for Canadian radio to be crying about Kreider, when the Habs last year had the player with the most goalie interference penalties and the most of any team in the NHL, they shouldn't be saying anything. They also had a guy just the other night shove a forward into Price. I have seen that a bunch, in fact in the playoffs lsat year against the Rangers 3 or 4 rangers were shoved towards the net, in fact one of the games in NY the Habs complained and on the broadcast you can hear the ref yelling back that the Ranger was pushed. Its like they are not telling them to pay attention when they shove a F around the net.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:51 am EST

JFC: Sometimes where a guy is drafted is an indicator of what kind of player he is as a pro (CROSBY, MALKIN, TAVARAS, STAMKOS, etc, etc.). Sometimes it isn't (JESSIMAN, BRENDL, GIRARDI, HANK, etc, etc.). Where these guys were drafted 7 or 10 years ago has no bearing on the evaluation of the trades I proposed. BRASSARD and MZA have both underperformed this year especially at even strength. As I documented here BRASSARD (who you are now calling the #1 Center) and HAYES have almost identical points production at even strength per 60 minutes. You guys have been carrying on about how unacceptable HAYES' offensive production has been yet you are fine with the guy you see as the #1 Center being statistically about even at even strength with your rookie 3rd line center with 41 games of experience. That makes no sense. BRASSARD is a huge problem if you want this team to win a Cup this year. A MUCH BIGGER problem then HAYES. BRASSARD is an average 2nd line Center now getting paid at a $5Mil per year cap hit through 2017/2018. HANZAL is an average 2nd line Center with a $3.1Mil per year cap hit through the 2016/2017. HANZAL is bigger, stronger, more physical and much better on draws. They are statistically very close at Even Strength and HANZAL hasn't gotten to play with NASH and has played on a bad team. Considering what the Rangers have now, and need, a swap of BRASSARD for HANZAL makes the Rangers better and saves them some room under the Cap. As for MZA, he is feisty and finishes his checks. But, MZA is no physical presence. In fact, when the Rangers play teams like the Islanders and Bruins he usually struggles with the physicality. That is to be expected as at his size and weight he can't compete physically with guys like CHARA, LUCIC, MARTIN, etc. They manhandle him. He isn't able to use his higher skill set. I respect his feisty play but when he is trying to play physical it has hurt his game and gotten him injured. SHAW isn't as gifted a player as MZA but he is a smart, solid player who is difficult to play against. He would be a versatile player that could address the 3rd line Center depth issue this year. He is an RFA so the Rangers would control his rights. MZA is a UFA and the Rangers would have a hard time resigning him and MSL in the off season. Those trades make sense from a value perspective and a salary Cap perspective.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:44 am EST

Honestly RF, thought about it the other night, he's just too damn fast. He needs to use his speed as an advantage to beat guys, but even once he's in the clear even he cant stop the train on a dime if they angle him off. I don't think its an intelligence thing, and Ive never believed he was trying to run goalies. If he did he might kill someone. But you definitely want him being aggressive.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:43 am EST

And who cares about Montreal radio? Those Frenchies are obsessed with all things Canadien and have nothing else to do but bitch and moan and cry. How funny when the Canadiens are doing well, they focus their obsession on the outside hockey world; when they are struggling, their turn on their own team/players. It's a bunch of blah! blah! blah!

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:41 am EST

RR: Yeah right. And suspended. More realistically, he needs to start using his brain and stop running into goalies. If it was Max Pac running into Lundqvist (knocking him out of the POs with a knee injury) this wall would be livid. For a highly educated dude, sometimes Kreider sure does dumb things on the ice.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:38 am EST

Miller and Hunwick are the only skaters on the ice for this morning's NYR optional. Both players are expected to be scratches tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:35 am EST

Kreider pulled up the other night and got called anyway. If he's going to start getting reputation calls against him, he might as well knock these goalies to kingdom come.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:23 am EST

Montreal radio wants League to crack down on Chris Kreider.... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/chris-kreider/montreal-radio-wants-the-league-to-crack-down-on-chris-kreider/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:18 am EST

Wow Vic, dealing Zuc? The very thought upsets my morning. Not happening. One of AV's favs, not to mention one of mine, plus, the little man's got the magic! I do agree of course two mite sized top 6ers is not what you want in this (or any) conference. It's yet another reason MSL shouldn't be here next year. But Zuc stays, Id bet quite a lot on it (though I always could be wrong). And whats your beef with brassard? Listen, he's spotty, as are many guys. But Brass have proven to be a playoff performer. That is worth its weight in gold. Is Stewart here yet?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:18 am EST

BTW, just did a round of NHL rumour pages and there's nothing about the Rangers except older stuff we've been hearing for a while (Santorelli and Vermette). Eklund is predicting an arms race between the Islanders and Rangers, but that's the only thing I can see that's not old and WTF does Eklund know anyways (he's the perfect example of the old adages 'a broken clock is correct twice a day' and 'the blind squirrel sometimes gets the nut').

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 10:12 am EST

I wish whatever is wrong with this stupid wall would get fixed. Getting VERY annoying.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:45 am EST

'Yotes called up a CENTER yesterday, a wing and a d-man two days ago

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:44 am EST

Make that TWO forwards and a d-man

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:43 am EST

More AV double speak for you here: Dan Boyle has been a defensive nightmare most nights but that can be lived with because of what he brings to the team offensively, especially the PP. The fact that he's not done that very well is another issue altogether, but I get that logic. So why can't the same thinking be extended to McI in that his physicality would bring to the Rangers something they don't have anywhere in the lineup, let alone on the backline? I get to a certain extent the concern that you don't want to have 2 of your 6 d-men being defensive nightmares, but when Kostagoal got to play 7 games, Boyle was out. And is McI that bad defensively? He looked ok in his one game. More questionable decisions courtesy of AV.

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:43 am EST

Coyotes just called up a forward and a d-man from the AHL....could be a sign that a trade is imminent??

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:40 am EST

Also, why trade 2 top 6 players (MZA and Brass) for 2 #rd/4th line players (Hanzel & Stewart/Shaw)? Makes no sense IMO

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:36 am EST

So I disagree that talk about getting bigger up front is a direct inference that MZA is the culprit or candidate for a trade. Zucc for Stewart...that would be one of the most lopsided trades in Rangers history...I'd eat crow the size of a pterodactyl if that ever happens.

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:35 am EST

JFC: I sure hope you're right (that the Rangers are coming around to the wall's way of thinking). All I've see in that regard are some quotes on here from someone I've never heard of (probably another vague blogger who knows less than most of us on here). I will believe it when I see it. As I've complained about before, AV had an opportunity early in the season to see if one of the best answers to the Rangers softness, home-grown at that, could hack it on the big club and elected to play AHL lifer Kostagoal. Stupid decision IMO (because in the game McI did play, he wasn't terrible).

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:32 am EST

Moore to start as the 3rd line center. Sorry, but that's not where he should be, IMO. He's simply not good enough. Sather needs to address this ASAP as we are all saying. Let's hope they keep winning enough regardless of what he does to avoid giving Tampa a chance at drafting McDavid. That remains my biggest fear (well that and Sather trades more first rounders for another quick fix).

RF4L


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:32 am EST

Vic -- take your pick of Brassard, Haglin, Stempniak, D. Moore, and Stepan....none of those guys are big....not only by the numbers but by the way they play. On the other hand, MZA's height and weight may be small but he plays bigger than all those players...whereas guys who are 6'%" play like they are 5 foot-nothing. Nice to see that the Rangers are comoing around to The Wall's way of thinking....what took so long? The 1st line is not a problem....yeah, they've had a few bad ones but they have good chemistry and Nash is thriving with that combo. Again, when the other team only has to concentrate on the top 2 lines because the other 2 are no threat to score, that makes their job that much harder. The fact hat AV iis still tinkering in late January tells us all we need to know about the poor job he and Sather have done so far in assembling a cohesive team where all the parts work together. The bottom 6 is like the Land of Misfit Toys. Sather needs to get his ass in gear and make some moves so that the coach can stop the tinkering bullsh!t and get some consistency ouit of this lineup going down the stretch.

JFC31


Thu Jan 29 2015 9:02 am EST

RR: You do realize that the Rangers coming to the conclusion that they need to be bigger up front is likely a direct inference that they are looking to move MZA in return for a bigger body. Having both MZA and MSL in the top 6 is a mistake. A lot of us made that point last year and it hasn't changed. MSL is less effective then he used to be but is still better then MZA from a scoring perspective. I think they believe they can resign MSL to a reasonable contract (much less then MZA will probably get). It wouldn't surprise me if MZA was dealt for STEWART but I would rather get a guy like SHAW from Chicago. He is a really solid player who is still young. He can play the 3rd line Center role or right wing on the NASH line. That still leaves the BRASSARD problem. I could see a BRASSARD for HANZAL deal. That would make sense to me and I think Arizona might go for it.

Vic


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:50 am EST

can you feel glass' presence and pain?

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 7:28 am EST

On Glass’s last three games: “Probably three of his better games even though he’s still not 100 percent – he’s got an upper-body injury that we do not want to share with people. I thought he came in, he tracked well, finished his hits when he had the opportunity and kept the opposition – when he was on the ice, they knew he was there, and they obviously keep their heads up in that situation.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/28/rangers-lick-their-wounds-look-to-bounce-back-quickly/#sthash.fhIYrdYL.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 2:22 am EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25003380/blue-jackets-jeremy-morin-hospitalized-with-accelerated-heart-rate

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:56 am EST

Rhet: Last I read on Capgeek we had $2.6 mill @ the tradedeadline & Duclair was on the roster (+$772,750) = $3,372,500....T.Glass $1.45 mill, Stempniak $900K, Jesper Fast $800K, = $6,522,500 ...... Just need to find another $1,677,500....

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:43 am EST

Also from Ibob on Stewart; says NYR staff believes they need to be bigger upfront to compete with TB & Isles. Well.....amen! And just like anything rumor-related, believe what you will!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:31 am EST

MF... What integral parts of the team would you want to move to clear out the extra cap space for these rentals?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:07 am EST

Their Combined cap hit $8.2 mill, both are UFA's at the end of this season, 27 & 29 y/o, both RHS big bodies with a threat to score.... Voila.....

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:02 am EST

Drew Stafford: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4810

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 1:01 am EST

Chris Stewart http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5722

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:54 am EST

Veenyo needs to see what othe coaches are doing instead of thinking he knows it all already and is to keep trying it over and over again and again. Now he wants to tinker again . The guy is confused . He needs to get his act together. And it has to stop being a season or two long drama. Maybe he's been doing this too long and has not done it all.... If he thinks glass is his answer he's not that bright....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:54 am EST

Stewart plays both MF. hes played a lot of LW. And since Ive wanted a righty there for a decade, thats where hes playin...

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:46 am EST

MF - I think Miller, Moore, Fast and Hayes could all be trade "fodder" depending on the return

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:44 am EST

STEVIE - I hear ya...I had a hard time liking and watching this team earlier in the season..Not my type of hockey..But I know they are quick, good and skilled and can play with anybody on most nights si I've tried to put my personal preferences aside...But, as you get closer to the the POs, it's not about personal style anymofre..It's about winning against certain teams..and to do that, the Rangers need to be stronger down the middle and be able to play bigger, stronger and nastie, and that includes agasint the upstart Isles...Staying, coaching and playing as is, is not an option..still plenty of time to make the changes that I hope SATHER is well aware of becasue he's the one that matters..he can force AVs hand at any time

Hospo


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:29 am EST

FAST could be trade fodder

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:27 am EST

Stewarts listed as a RW http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5722

mf


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:22 am EST

one thing he better learn, nyr fans don't like losing to the fishstinks 3 times twice basically being shutout looking like a video tape replay....or he goes on the shit list, and gets whipped....especially with his wimpy concept.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:20 am EST

Mfie mostly on cell so no c-p but found first post wont go. Arrow back its still in box hit post again it goes. Idk.... one thing on Stewart, hes been beyond abysmal. Domething wrong eith him, BUF, or both. The hope has to be PO ice is always at a premium, meaning time & space. Sometimes those big bodies are more effective Iin thosev type games. Last nights game was hard & fast but it doesnt have that chess match quality . Now you get a big tough dude playing smart in those situations maybe something comes of it. Id throw Stewart on a line eith Zuc, let him one-time all day. Stewart-Brass-Zuc as a new 3rd line? Not bad. and Nash is playing first unit with Eric Staal. Maybe Hags shifts to right side. He could use something tobpep him up. And s omeone rightly mentioned McD being unspectacular, and I agree. But I can see him having a HUGE POs. Lets see the Isles deal with that!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:06 am EST

Veenyo needs to see what othe coaches are doing instead of thinking he knows it all already and is to keep trying it over and over again and again. Now he wants to tinker again . The guy is confused . He needs to get his act together. And it has to stop being a season or two long drama. Maybe he's been doing this too long and has not done it all.... If he thinks glass is his answer he's not that bright....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 29 2015 12:00 am EST

Not for nothing, but if we suffer an injury to a RHS D'man, our options are: 1) Hunwick fills in on RS and J.Moore plays the 3rd line LS 2) John Moore fills in RS 3) they bring in McIlrath..... whichever it is, Froggy beware... ribbit

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:53 pm EST

AV should try Miller(LW) / Moore / Hayes (RW) as the 4th line... If it proves formidable, we can chance it into the playoffs... Whatadyathink?

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:48 pm EST

AV take note..From the CBJ coach about his4th line and team..."But in a 4-3 victory on Tuesday over the Washington Capitals, the play of Corey Tropp, Mark Letestu and Jared Boll was impossible to ignore. “To me, they set the tone,” coach Todd Richards said. “Coming in, I think as a team we wanted to skill our way through the game instead of working our way through the game. Those guys came out and worked. They started it, and I think the rest of the guys got it going after that.”..........What the Rangers needed last night but we don't have that ingredient lately

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:42 pm EST

STEVIE - Sometimes I never know what my fingers will come up with!

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:42 pm EST

It was meant to mean that Miller & Moore have more experience on the NHL level. Hence they're better players.. IMO

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:42 pm EST

If veenyo can't win with this roster he has mostly picked than its on him ... He needs to get out of the pontius Pilate blame game.... He claims Players make bad decisions how about him?

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:39 pm EST

MF - Disintetested or not, MALONE flat out sucked...Noit the type of player or attitude I would want.....I have no idea what "Linberger and Haggerty are not Miller & Moore" means... I wouldn't be surprised if LINDBERGER isn't a more complete center right now than Hayes or Miller, but that's a moot point now..

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:34 pm EST

I like fats better for fast than quickie especially since he's not that quick....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:34 pm EST

MF - Could be..he actually was a bit more Physical ealrier in the season..Don't kniow what happened.I think he's a center but, like with Miller, not ready to be playing the two way game for a cup contending team like the Rangers are now...I'd have no problem running him and/or Miller out to center every third shift if it was a rebuilding year with no chance...We're not that lucky..:)

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:31 pm EST

Linberger and Haggerty are not Miller & Moore... Would think a guy like Malone would play his heart out to compete for the playoffs on an "NHL" squad... Bet he's disinterested in Hartford, that doesn't mean he shouldn't earn his call up...

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:28 pm EST

Hospo: I think if HAYES is shifted to the RW, we would not see a pacifist. As I stated, I think he is overwhelmed with fear of being out of position at center.. The trade off is not laying on the hit... jmho TD posted many a time that he felt Hayes is a wing, not a center...

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:24 pm EST

MF - Again, only 1 game, but I saw MALONE a few weeks ago foir HARTFORD and he brought absoluley nothing to the team...The best two up front--by far--wetre Linberger and Haggerty, but the latter ain't ready..Honestly, I would give LINDBERGER a shot between Fats and Hagelin to see if you can catch Lightening in a bottle..And sit Hayes pacifist ass for a game or two

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:21 pm EST

3M line for the 4th? & I'm not talking Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing, talkinf Miller / Moore / Malone & yes they can score a clutch goal... (NO Mueller!)

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:19 pm EST

Someone jog my memory, did Brian Boyle skate faster & better than Ryan Malone?

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:17 pm EST

Wabbit: copy your posts before you hit send so you can come back and paste it quickly & resend in case it's lost....

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:16 pm EST

IT seemed to me that last year we had established a 1st, 2nd, and then the 4th line which acted as a foundation for the entire offense, & then the 3rd line was completed with what was left... IF we're going to try & replicate that strategy, Coach-meal, needs to get the 4th line down pat... I'd start with JT Miller on the LW / D.Moore RW and lets look around for the RW on that line before we jump to conclusions.. Having 2/3rds of the line set is a good start....

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:08 pm EST

“If MY memory serves me correctly, John Moore played 3rd pair LSD all three games out West, not Hunwick… Even though he was only -1 last night, Hunwick can’t contain bigger & fast wings….. So T.Glass has an undisclosed upper body injury? PMS, as in Post Mumps Syndrom… the guy has 38 or 39 career assists, way to go defend your affinity for the signing coach… 3 years @ $1,450,000 WTF? ….. RR: your slipping ;-): Nash states that the Rangers were forced to play a perimeter game… IMO, RYAN MALONE would have probably had a significant influence on a game like last night.. The dude consistently goes to the crease and is hard to displace, his skating is no worse than Tanner Glass & he’s a threat to score or at least set up a scoring opportunity……. DON’T TRADE MILLER! He finally made it & this coach is going to cut the legs out from under him? Whoever said it earlier, Trade Frog-Coach first… (wonder if we can get a 1st round pick for AV in the McDavid-Eichel sweepstakes?)…. MZA & MSL should be shifted… MSL had several assists with NASH being the beneficiary earlier this season.. MSL is a playmaker but also commands being looked for… I believe NASH will be more cognizant of looking to set up MSL than he does MZA, and I have Zero, Nada, to substantiate that, except that MSL just has that Hockey IQ which makes all sorts of things happen… Also, MZA on the Stepan / Kreider line, makes MZA more of a go to guy for the shot, which I think he was last year with Dans La Lune POULIOT on the other flank… I don’t know why AV-Froggy hasn’t interchanged thos two with more regularity & inter-game situations…. Chris Stewart sucked Aunt & Uncle Chovie the last time we played… I remember thinking he was going to goon it up because it was so lopsided. (glad he did not) DREW STAFFORD was their star that game, and true to form, Stafford drove to our net & made things happen for the Sabres.. I think he scored their only goal or was instrumental in setting it up… On Hayes, I think this kid is so afraid of being out of position at center, that he wouldn’t dare allow himself to throw a check which might leave him a step behind defensively or out of position defensively.. The CJC believes they’re correct on this one. ;-) ….

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:00 pm EST

JFC - "What AV really meant was "our 3rd & 4th lines are similar as far as what they CAN'T bring to the table"....offense"....Exactly..I'm getting sick of AV and his neverending support of Quickie and Hayesy....Honestlly, the line with those two has contributed zero for quite awhile...along with Hayes' FO and backchecking troubles........The "Moore" line" only showed some life offensively when it was Miller-Moore-Stemp...AV doesn't know his team yet or have a clue.....Of course some will say, shut the hell up about the 3rd and 4th llines, it's the vets and stars up front that deserve the blame when we lose..I agree that is somewaht the case..But, in the NHL and particularly in the POs the 3rd and 4th lines have to chip in and bail the top lines out..We are nowhere near that..

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:51 pm EST

Well im like 10 lost posts ahead MF. You better make like a tomato and ketchup.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:47 pm EST

lost my damn post, sheezus

mf


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:09 pm EST

" Where last year we had three more balanced lines that had as better chance to score and a distinct fourth line, our third and fourth line are pretty similar as far as what they can bring to the table and how they can both chip in offensively and defensively.” AV is saying exactly the same thing as my comments on the 3rd line earlier in the day....the 3rd line is not a threat....they are not dangerous,,whereas last year they were. That's a huge difference and it needs to be fixed. What AV really meant was "our 3rd & 4th lines are similar as far as what they CAN'T bring to the table"....offense.

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:38 pm EST

so he now agrees with me somewhat.....must have read a Hospo post........I also think some of what veenyo says is bs...another coach that nothing is his fault or mistake........Alain Vigneault: “They’re definitely a team that likes to play a fast game, a team that obviously has had some real strong goaltending, and a team that we played last year in the playoffs that we know fairly well. We definitely know that any team that wants to play fast has to manage the puck well. We’re going to have to be better in that area.” “I don’t want to take anything away from the Islanders. They’re playing extremely well. They’re playing at an extremely high pace right now. And when they do have breakdowns they’re getting the right save at the right time. So I don’t want to take anything away from them. But I do believe we can play better than we played last night. If our intentions – and I know our intentions are to win two points, then we are going to have to be better.” On Dominic Moore and Carl Hagelin together: “I finished that way last night in the third. I felt both of them were playing at a good pace and making some good plays. They’re used to playing together. They kill (penalties), they communicate real well with one another, and again, like I’ve said on a few occasions this year, whether you look at it as line 1, 2, 3 and 4, there’s a distinct separation this year offensive wise. Where last year we had three more balanced lines that had as better chance to score and a distinct fourth line, our third and fourth line are pretty similar as far as what they can bring to the table and how they can both chip in offensively and defensively.” “What may seem fair to one may not seem fair to another, and a lot of times, some guys have earned, sometimes, a longer leash.” On Glass’s last three games: “Probably three of his better games even though he’s still not 100 percent – he’s got an upper-body injury that we do not want to share with people. I thought he came in, he tracked well, finished his hits when he had the opportunity and kept the opposition – when he was on the ice, they knew he was there, and they obviously keep their heads up in that situation.” “I would say all our lines – and I’m not big going back to games or piling through the stats – but when we went out West and we played against those teams, if my memory is correct, I think we out-hit all those teams. Finishing a check, taking somebody out of the equation, is something you have to do. It’s not just Tanner. It’s all our players.” “It’s just something that we need to keep emphasizing with our group, that when the opportunity is there … you get a rush team like the Islanders where their D’s are up — every time they get a chance those guys are jumping up in the play – well, if you don’t want them jumping up into the play, you’ve got to take them out of the equation. Obviously last night was very challenging. They were up in the play and made it really hard for us.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/28/rangers-lick-their-wounds-look-to-bounce-back-quickly/#sthash.YwfKWcuo.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:26 pm EST

this posting bs is a pain.....Rhet Hayes maybe got that promise, but handing him 3rd line center on a silver platter is not the best teaching experience. D Moore deserves the offensive bottom line, let Hayes be 4th line center, and sit 1 game already. Playing fast and soft is trying to make craps the hard way. Fast and hard makes more hockey sense. That's the problem with winning streaks. The coach somewhat thinks they're on cruise control. The other teams that win are beating them, rather than the NYR are not playing . They are getting outplayed and outcoached on too many losses.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:12 pm EST

scheidw -- I honestly don't know enough about Hanzel except that he's good on face offs and is probably a bit more consistent on offense than Boyle was. The reason so many people,are "giving up" on Miller is that AV seems to be making it very obviousnthatnhe just has no patience with the kid. If kids like Miller and McIlrath are not gonna catch a break with AV as coach, better to trade them. But, you're right.....it depends on the return. Miller is gonna be a good player for someone

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:10 pm EST

Man.... if they ever wanted Shaggy for Hanzel Id send'em Scooby too!!! Rooobie Doooo!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:07 pm EST

JFC- I do agree with you on your post about trading Miller for Roussel...good point, if you get a young player back in return, then by all means... I just don't want anymore 37YO Tampa Bay retreads..

schneidw


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:05 pm EST

JFC- sorry, I was comparing Boyle to Hanzel... I like Hanzel better but not at the price of Miller or Hayes... no thanks...

schneidw


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:04 pm EST

NYRs- certainly have some holes in the lineup... but the BIGGEST problem by far is that ST Louis, Boyle, D Moore, C Hagelin, and even McDonough have not played well for most of the year... hard to overcome when your top veterans and Captain are not bring their top game...

schneidw


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:03 pm EST

Damn spell check...Schneidw

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:03 pm EST

Schneider -- which center?

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:01 pm EST

Why would SATHER give up top prospects such as Hayes/Miller for a big, soft, slow center who averages 12 goals a year after letting that very same player (Brian Boyle) leave via UFA this summer????

schneidw


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:01 pm EST

Still think the PO turnaround had a lot more to do with the worst PO schedule ever ending. Soon as they got a day between games, after going 7 & back to back with Philly, they whipped some Pen butt. MSL better show more than he has lately or we'll have to take out another relative.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:00 pm EST

Say NO to trading Miller/Hayes!! NYR need to grown and develop these kids... especially because they have a bottom 10 prospect pool not helped by trading 3 consecutive #1 picks...

schneidw


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:44 pm EST

Someone mentioned him here last year, but if we're gonna trade Miller, better it be for a guy like Antoine Rousell. LW, hits, fights, scores pretty well, only 25, cheap contract...$2 mil/4 years. That's the kind of player Sather should target. I'd give up Miller and a 3rd rounder without blinking...especially since AV has no use for Miller

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:38 pm EST

If the price for Stewart is Miller itd be steep, more than Id want to pay. If theres competition its notvoutrageous. Stewart is a former No. 1 and has several 20 plus years Miller doesnt. Still would hope Sather could pull it off from among the Kristos Bourques and Allens, all whom deserve a chance they wont likely get here.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:37 pm EST

YORK: No question that possession starts with the faceoff. It is the worst part of his game. He knows it. The coaching staff knows it. I'm sure he has been working hard on it. Interestingly he has put together a decent little stretch on draws. Over the last 4 games he is 61%. That is weighed heavily by his 4 for 5 and 5 for 6 showings over the last two games. Clearly he isn't going to continue at that pace but hopefully what it represents is that he has improved to the point where he can be at close to 50% from here on out. As for last year, the Rangers were lucky in who they had to play. They were also lucky regarding the timing of the death of MSL's mom. I know that sounds horrible to say but it is true. They went from being a good team to being a very good team after that. Can they avoid Boston, The Islanders and Tampa this year? That isn't likely.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:22 pm EST

Stevie..... JMO, but Hayes is ahead of where Miller was in his first year with the team. Also,I'm sure he was given some assurances by management if he signed with the Rangers(such as not being sent down this season?). As far as Miller is concerned, I said it earlier in the year.... I think he is definitely an NHL player, but it might have to be with another team that he blossoms. AV just doesn't seem to like the kid.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:12 pm EST

The Devil's top line tonight is Henrique-Gomez-Jagr.... Oh the irony.... Doesn't Jagr remember his Rangers days where he absolutely could NOT play with the Gomez? Drama Queen.... Hospo.... I wasn't implying that you said "great" but when a player of Stewart's skill-set score 62 points in a season, IMO, that's a great season for him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 7:59 pm EST

I'm no big jt jitters fan, but if he got the royal treatment Hayes is getting, he'd probably be producing more than him at center with all his jitters......the coach has patience with whom he chooses. my patience is running out on hayes. he belongs in the minors learning, not in the nhl learning. He is as soft as melted carvel on a 100 degree summer day. when is he going to be scratched for ONE game? ....and my patience with veenyo's soft hockey is not far behind......even though they should have beaten la, the lessons still needed to be learnt on what they need to add to their game......and system......sather continues to give to much reign to his head coach especially when they are wrong.....it has nothing to do with his methods or the decent results.....they are not playing a complete hockey game, it's a rare occasion rather than the norm......not many teams are afraid to play the nyr......alias the wanta be Harlem hockey globe trotters.....that crap was done at the all star game.....it won't win the cup.......they have to be fast, smart and lucky, but also tough as nails and sandpaper......

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 7:54 pm EST

I was advocating for getting Stewart last year....for the same reasons we've been talking about this year...size, good in front of the net, can hit and throw down pretty well too. However, I was less than impressed when I saw him live at MSG in early January. He did nothing....did not seem interested in exerting himself, no back checking ( actually, no checking at all),gliding all over thence and only sped up when he had a chance to get to the puck. He looked pudgy and slow....but yeah, he was big. It was only one game, but I was very disappointed. If we could get him at his best, he'd be an asset....if he was energized by a chance to win the Cup and raise his UFA value, he could be an asset. But, those are BIG ifs. I would not give up anything more than a 4th round pick and a low-level prospect.

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 7:49 pm EST

RHET - I said nothing about GREAT seasons and I don't think the Rangers are looking for a GREAT player..But , in addition to the year you mentioned, he went 28G 25A in 2010-11 and 36 points in 48 games (basically 60 points in a full season) in 2012-13....Better than I had thought but I've read prone to scoring slumps...We'll see..You are right, the cost is the question..

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 7:49 pm EST

Stewart's cap hit is actually $4.150 Mil. With the Islanders involved, one has to wonder.... are we driving up the price on them or are they driving up the price on us?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 7:39 pm EST

I mentioned the Rangers were kicking the tires on Chris Stewart last week. He's only signed for this season, so he'd basically be just another rental (can anyone say Ryane Clowe?)l. The questions is how many picks do we trade for this guy? Also, with an annual cap hit of $4.125 mil, we'd have to move someone in the deal for him to fit... Hospo.... He's only had one great season where he had 60 plus points. He's never come close to it again.Personally, If he's not willing to take less money on a new deal, I'd pass.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 6:44 pm EST

My first thought was Stewart or Neil I probably take Stewart. Thats throwing a real wildcard into the mix. He can make things happen or be less than zero. As long as one of those 3 centers comes too, thats the small & big moves im talking about. A righty LW with size & some edge. I wont know what to do with myself.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 6:37 pm EST

Chris Stewart? Big boy..has had some good years...Stats say, surprisngly, he doesn't hit all that much but I have seen him pretty mean in front of the net......haven't watched him much the last two years so really can't say much except....DON'T SEND JT MILLER FOR THIS GUY.....CENTER is still my first worry..

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 6:28 pm EST

Ill take him.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 6:09 pm EST

From @incarceratedbob on Twitter: **NHL TRADE RUMORS** NY Rangers showing heavy interest in Chris Stewart trade talks starting to heat up. #Habs #Islanders also involved

evets1980


Wed Jan 28 2015 5:26 pm EST

Vic puck management begins at the faceoff dot and Hayes is one of the worst in the whole league forget just this team. So av is talking nonsense in respects to miller/Hayes because there is a 75% chance the other team will control the puck when he takes a faceoff. He causes line changes for defensive zone draws that's all over looked along with his slow back check........love it the opposition knows when glass is on the ice no shite because they're looking to get a mismatch when he's out there I swear it must be nice to be a player who av likes you can do no wrong.......Miller trading this kid big mistake I'd dump av first.......vic I forgot you made it sound like last year was luck. This team has won more playoff games then any other team the last three years and let's face it any time you make it to the cup finals luck is needed

York18


Wed Jan 28 2015 5:08 pm EST

See I believe one big move & one smaller one does dramatically improve thrir chances, chances that were pretty good to begin with. Without going through the scenarios again, we'd definitely be good enough to beat that putrid franchise known as the Islanders. Theyre having their fun now, but lets see them with the money on the table.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 5:00 pm EST

Ranger47 - No arguement on that. I had so many discussions with TDCHI about MILLER..We both really liked him because of that but, becasue of some turnovers and decisions, I never really thought he was ready yet, especially for C...He still makes some mistakes but never via lack of effort, intensity and defensive responsibility..all of which Hayes has been guilty of but never punished for..That's what bothers me....And, honestly, I don't see him ever rising past any other youngsters such as Buch and Duclair and the ho-hum Fast...Trade his skills now...

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:56 pm EST

Miller has also shown a willingness to use his body, go to the net, and appears to have a bit of "nasty" in him - things we are missing in most other players.

Ranger47


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:47 pm EST

Miller's the one I do not want to see traded. I can see him flourish under some under coach and become the power forward we've been itching for. I don't like AV's treatment of him, but would prefer to see him kept and hope that he finds a way to up his defensive side to get quality ice time. There have been times where he's been our best looking offensive threat - hate to lose that kind of prospect, especially since power forwards tend to mature slower than others.

Ranger47


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:42 pm EST

VIC - And like usual, AV ignores the lazy or invisible backchecking by Hayes (even once on a PP where he just quit) that never ends....Don't mind MIller feeling the bench now and then, other players deserve it also but never get it

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:39 pm EST

RF4L - The problem is, it's not only MILLER paying the price but also the team as it is unable to use Miller's talent... Doesn't matter if it's the way AV has been unable to develop him..or the way MILLER has been unable to develop under him......Trade him since AV is going nowhere

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:39 pm EST

_Arc and DREW: Good points. Keep posting! At this point I really do think it would be best for HAYES to go to Hartford. If this team doesn't go far in the playoffs (and I'm not expecting them to this year) it is going to be a toxic environment with respect to the media and some fans. I'd rather not see that kid have fingers (ridiculously) pointed in his direction as to why. As for MILLER, there is no doubt in my mind that he is out tomorrow because of the turnovers last night. PUCK MANAGEMENT is AV's most important issue. He talks about it almost every game. Again, it is the reason why he likes HAYES and doesn't like MILLER. MILLER can be a really solid power forward. He has size, speed and skill. He also makes some really dumb and unnecessary decisions with the puck. I was surprised he didn't get benched after his first turnover in the first period. He had the puck along the right boards in the Rangers end about two feet from the blue line. I don't even think he had pressure on him. But instead of turning and taking the puck out of the zone and up the ice he threw the puck along the inside of the blue line to the other side of the ice to.........nobody. There was nobody there except an Islander streaking into the zone to jump on that turnover. I don't know what MILLER saw. Did he see someone that ended up going for a change? Maybe, but all he had to do was skate out of the zone or poke it out if he was under pressure. Just a bad decision and an unnecessary one. He does something like that every other game. He had a few bad ones at the offensive blue line as well. Other then that he played a decent game but those turnovers put him in the dog house time after time.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:34 pm EST

And this treatment by AV is why I say MILLER is immenently tradeable..and possibly our best chip..Not because I don't like MILLER, I like MILLER alot and think he has the most upside of any of the players on the bottom 6, even for this years PO..But not the way AV screws him over for his pets...Get rid of him already before his trade value completley bottoms out

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:14 pm EST

Bob: Yep and we post our opinions based on what we see from afar. I've always said (even though I let my passions belie it) that things that go on in the room, practice, away from the media's prying eyes can have a huge impact on how the coach builds his roster and ultimately, the overall team chemistry. I gotta think there's something about Miller's personality that grates on AV and by that I'm not trying to say because he's quiet (or something relatively innocent like that) AV is hard on him. I suspect it's all about how a player, especially a young player, responds to the coach(es) direction and/or how he interacts with his teammates. Argue, push back, sulk, etc and in many cases, especially with a coach with a strong presence, which AV seems to have, you're gonna pay the price.

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:09 pm EST

It seems every year a coach has their wiping boy. I feel sorry for Miller. He is no better or worse than the other 3rd and 4th line forwards in a nightly basis expect maybe for fast who excels defensively. AV clearly has a bug for JT oh well.

handy1994


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:08 pm EST

Sorry to say, but that bottom 6 hardly reeks of a cup team. And agreed that Miller is AV's whipping boy. The longer we go in his tenure the harder I'm finding it to like the man. I'm beginning to see why now so much angry and displeasure emanated out of Vancouver during his last few years. It's tough to argue with his success year 1 in NY and for a few years in Vancouver but man oh man, can he be stubborn to the detriment (from where I'm sitting) of the team at times.

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 4:00 pm EST

Here is the actual quote, courtesy of Carp: AV: “What may seem fair to one may not seem fair to another ... some guys have earned ... a longer leash.”

Bob


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:58 pm EST

This bottom 6 is not....well, not good. And Miller is the odd man out again. AV "Some players have earned a longer leash." Glass should be on a leash because.....woof.

Bob


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:54 pm EST

What does everybody think about possibly going after JAGR?

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:51 pm EST

Supporting JFC's point, the latest from NYR practices-------"Vigneault also changed the look of two forward lines. He put center Dominic Moore in between wingers Carl Hagelin and Stempniak, and then had Kevin Hayes center for Tanner Glass and Jesper Fast."..Gee, what a surpise that MILLER get the treatment again..kid has ZERO margin of error...God forbit it happens to Quickie or Haysey!..still, the bottom line, is that these bottom two line leave alot to be desired.......BTW, those clamoring for a physical forward to ub in for GLASS, as I said yesterday, AV loves and trusts Glass and said today "I think these have been three of his better games," Vigneault said of Glass. "I thought he's come in, tracked well, finished his hits when he's had the opportunity. When he was on the ice, the opposition knew that he was there."

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:36 pm EST

Arc -- if a 3rd line center makes the 3rd line BETTER, then that is a big factor. LA came at us with 4 lines. Last year WE had 4 lines....this year we have 2. Don't tell me that getting a guy who makes the pieces fall into place and helps create a 4 line team as opposed to a 2 line team isn't important. One guy absolutely can make a difference if he allows the coach to try different permutations, juggle guys into different spots (Hayes to wing??) and get his 3rd and 4th lines solidified and contributing. Who's to say that if we get a center and move Hayes to wing, that HAYES doesn't suddenly become a beast because he doesn't have to worry about faceoffs, defensive responsibilities of a center and he RELAXES and becomes a highly effective wing, thereby making the 3rd line DANGEROUS. Thoise are the kind of things that can happen when you add the right guy. Will it happen? Who knows? But, it's not crazy to think it could.

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:31 pm EST

It is also tough for me to give the Islanders credit but I think it is their fan base that frustrates me. After several years of picks in the top 10 (sometimes top 5), they are finally experiencing success. I also agree with puckyou. The acquisitions of Halak, Boychuck and Leddy have been great. After years they are sitting ahead of the standings and the fans all of a sudden are a bit puffy chested. The Rangers have consistently qualified for the playoffs while not having the benefit of high draft picks. The few that they did have proved to be poor selections with a few exceptions. They also experienced the unfortunate fate of Cherepenov. Through all that, the Rangers have been fairly successful. The only non-playoff year since the first lockout was the Ollie Joikenen shoot out game. That being said, the Rangers still have always sat in that second tier of mediocrity. If not for this last fortunate run to the finals, I would be harder on them. I may get a lot of criticism on this. I think Henrik Lundqvist is fantastic. There were many a game that he single handedly won. However, (last night being the latest example), I don't have confidence in the TEAM as constructed. Part of this (my belief) is that Lundqvist occupies too much of the salary cap. I believe Rask and Pekka Rinne are the next highest paid goalies at 7 million per cap hit. To my untrained eye, Halak looked like the better goalie and is a cap hit of 4.5 million. Jonathan Quick makes is a 5.5 million cap hit, I believe. I am not a scout. On pure talent, Lundqvist may be the best goalie in the league, maybe not. My point is that Henrik’s cap hit is also a key contributor to our lack of ability to add a veteran player. This, unfortunately, is going to be an issue so long as Lundqvist is a Ranger. Every year, the Rangers seem to struggle keeping their own players and all those bridge contracts are about to expire.

DREW


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:27 pm EST

Ranger47: Yep and complicating matters is the fact that Sather already threw away 2 first rounders for MSL, including this year's. Doing nothing now makes that trade look stupid IMO, unless he and MSG are content with the appearance the team made in last year's finals. For me, coughing up 2 firsts for that return isn't worth it and in fact, would go down as one of Sather's dumber moves (of which he's had plenty over the years).

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:26 pm EST

Vic -- all the compliments you pay to Hayes are valid....I think just about everyone here thinks he was a great pickup for us and he's going to be good for many years to come. I don't think you're blind to his weaknesses....I think you're analysis is good. Yes, I think that some of the expectations are lofty for him but that's what happens when you feel your team is oh so close to a Cup....patience is not in big supply. However, I wuill say this....we came within 3 games of winning the Cup with Stepan and Brassard and #1 & #2. Are they ideal, no....that is why we need more support and offensive contributions from 3rd & 4th lines. How many times have we seen this year that the writers are writing about how the gamne was won by the 3rd and/or 4th lines? Usually you have that happen during a season more than has happened this year. How many times have I thought to myself, "Man, the 3rd/4th line looks good tonight." Not many at all....I'm not even talking about scoring....just looking like a threat, looking like they're sharp, looking like they are contributing shift after shift. I want to see that and feel that fairly often....to me it's a sign of a very good team. Not saying it's Hayes' fault...just sayin'

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:06 pm EST

Correcting my post Plan A was Messier. The Sakic offer sheet doesn't happen if Messier resigns with the Rangers...signed Captain Obvious

DREW


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:05 pm EST

Interesting dilemma...Sounds like there's no move which will drastically improve our chances of winning the Cup - which means you do not want to trade away any real prospects. On the other hand, it seems we NEED to get (even a little bit) better to improve our Cup chances and you have to give to get. SO, Sather faces a tough situation as the deadline approaches. It's important we get this right!

Ranger47


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:05 pm EST

Somehow I remember two weeks ago when Stepan was on an 80-pt pace. Guess thats not top center material. And im not his biggest fan. Keane & Skrudland where checkers asked to do something other than check.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:05 pm EST

Keane and Skrudland were signed with Plans A and B still in play. If I recall correctly, Messier leaving wasn't quite a foregone conclusion and Sakic was extremely close to becoming a Ranger. I am not sure the Rangers would have went that route if they knew neither was to happen.....http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/08/sports/rangers-open-the-vault-for-two-free-agents.html......."The addition of such significant support personnel to the Rangers might help persuade Mark Messier, a free agent, to return. Although Messier never complained in public last season, it was thought around the team that he might have been disappointed with the Rangers' failure to add quality depth before the Stanley Cup playoffs."

DREW


Wed Jan 28 2015 3:00 pm EST

_Arc - Somehow I remember that Keane and Scrudland were UFAs signed to long contracts in the off season..Also, that 8 out of the last 10 Cup Winners only did so by making smart deals at the Deadline...The Rangers are a good team..as good as their is in the East on most days..but could use a little hep..And yeah, one player can make a difference if it gives the coach the confidence to use a line in all situations which AV doen't have after his top 6...

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:53 pm EST

_Arc - Somehow I remember that Keane and Scrudland were UFAs signed to long contracts in the off season..Also, that 8 out of the last 10 Cup Winners only did so by making smart deals at the Deadline...The Rangers are a good team..as good as their is in the East on most days..but could use a little hep..And yeah, one player can make a difference if it gives the coach the confidence to use a line in all situations which AV doen't have after his top 6...

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:47 pm EST

Vic- you hit it right on the head. People act like a 3rd line center is going to put us over the hump. I gues most are too young to remember Kean and Scrudland. We don't have a true No 1 center!!!!!! Yeah we made the finals despite it but like they say even a broken clock is right twice a day.

_Arc


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:44 pm EST

Hanzal is 27, 28. A tired used-up old vet. Middleton for Hodge?!! The children!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:13 pm EST

Mike Richards will actually make more money playing in the minors.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mike-richards-will-actually-make-more-money-playing-in-the-minors/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:09 pm EST

RF4L - From what I've seen of Buch and from his expereince and success in the KHL, I 'm betting he is going to be the real deal...SKELJ is a differnt story...Here I'm trusting my Wall brethren that talk about how good he is for a postion where we have very little in the pipe line...And don't confuse my willingness to trade HAYES with me thinking he sucks...I only trade HAYES for a good young established NHL player ala HANZAL..

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:04 pm EST

Hospo I have a sneaking suspicion Buchnevich could be the best of the bunch, so Id try to keep him. But Id deal him in a heartbeat too to get what we need. Duclair & Skjei? Gimma a 3rd back with Hanzel and Id send that to central registry asap. None of'em are blue chippers anyway, so fuck the kids. There, I said it ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 2:01 pm EST

LA Kings assign Richards to Manchester

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 1:59 pm EST

Hospo: How come you're willing to move Hayes but not willing to move Buch or Skeji, both of whom we've never seen and may never even play a single NHL game. Meanwhile we know Hayes can. Are you that soured on his upside and/or overall ability?

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 1:51 pm EST

Lundqvist in goal tomorrow. AV said he's not sure about rest of lineup, but it appeared J.Moore and Stempniak in; Hunwick, Miller out today

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 1:46 pm EST

VIC - "They don't have that depth this year and they aren't going to be able to bring that much in this year in terms of trades. They have little they can afford to trade and little room under the cap" .......This is where I disagree...Cap means very little post deadline...and the Rangers have plenty of assets they can deal---Miller, Fast, Hayes, Moore, picks, any prospect not named Buch, Duc or Skej...for the hole(s) they need to fill and, I for one, won't miss any of them if they are traded..Sather jsut has to get the right bang for buck.

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 1:37 pm EST

Also, HAYES is being tasked with doing a job that he isn't ready for from a physical development and experience perspective. As a result he isn't excelling at all aspects of that job like everyone here would love to see. Again, before you jump on me for being a blind HAYES lover let me state my fundamental problem with the focus on HAYES displayed here................. If you focus on HAYES and say the Rangers can't win a Cup as presently constructed with HAYES as the 3rd line Center you are in essence saying that you believe they can win a Cup with STEPAN and BRASSARD as the #1 and #2 Centers. That is what I disagree with. The Rangers have bigger issues then HAYES. The games against the Lightning, Islanders and Bruins have shown that. And, I don't buy the line about the Rangers not being up for last night. They were up big time. They talked about how much they were looking forward to the game. They wanted it. The Islanders were just better.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 1:33 pm EST

JFC: That may well be but it could also be that we are watching for different things. For example, did you notice that every time HAYES touched the puck in the defensive end last night he transported or moved the puck out of the zone? Big deal? Actually it is a big deal. The kid rarely turns the puck over and almost never in the defensive zone. He also gets the puck out, which is something this team struggles with at times. In every case where he had the puck he got it deep into the offensive end from those breakouts. Did you notice the steal at the offensive blue line in the first period that setup a scoring chance? As for your comment about what you expect out of your 3rd line and 3rd line Center I think your expectations are lofty to say the least. There is no player that has been discussed here as a possible target for replacing HAYES that would ever be considered as striking fear in an opponent's coaching staff. No coach is going to spend 30 seconds considering how they would handle any of those guys let along lose any sleep over it. The Rangers had a lot of depth last year that allowed them to ice 3 lines that had the ability to score with some degree of regularly. They don't have that depth this year and they aren't going to be able to bring that much in this year in terms of trades. They have little they can afford to trade and little room under the cap.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:54 pm EST

Allegedly, the Flames and Jets are interested in Mike Richards..... Per David Pagnotta... the Hurricanes, Senators and Coyotes are all fairly active on the trade front. He says the Kings have interest in Phaneuf and despite previous reports, the Leafs have no interest in Mike Rchards. The Leafs are looking to do a competitive rebuild and will be both buyers and sellers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:45 pm EST

Vic -- your outlook on Hayes reminds me of that wierd expression about "what are yu going to blieve...the ststs or your lying eyes." The kid is a nice player and he's going to continue to improve, get experience and be a good player. But, he's not a THREAT when he's on the ice and his line isn't either. I don't think any coach in the NHL gives a single thought to, "how are we gonna handle the Hayes line." And that is the main issue, IMO. Our 3rd line has to be consequential....much more so than what it is now. will the problem be fixed by giving him different wingers? I doubt it, but who knows? But, I'm not willing to take that chance and the chance that he will be completely overwhelmed the the playoffs. I'd rather see him moved to wing or sent to Hartford to learn the center position. His stats mean absolutely nothing to me....it's what I see on the ice....which is very little in terms of pressuring the other team on a consistent basis and being a factor that can pick up the slack when lines 1 & 2 aren't playing well or are stifled by the opposing lines. We need a 3rd and 4th line that cause matchup problems for the other teama nd we don't have that right now. Being the center of a line is like being a CEO....those around you may be a part of the problem but the responsibility points to you.

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:45 pm EST

Stumbled across this site on NHL FO stats....sweet!! http://faceoffs.net/blog/

RinkRat


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:44 pm EST

VIC - Yeah, agree and disagree on things...Also, I am not blind to the good things that HAYES does..For awhile, almost every night he would do something in the offensive zone that impressed the hell out of me..Bright future, just not ready yet........RF$L _ Both the Rangers and Isles are good teams right now...Not sure I agree with the Isled being better up front, not when the Rangers are playing there game..But, true, passions and drive will be a huge thing whenever they need to play..The Rangers need to bring it!!..As well as a new center!!!

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:38 pm EST

Hospo/JFC.... I've said the same thing about the Isles, but I also include in that list Columbus and Tampa Bay. They get up for us like we are their hated rivals and we seem to treat them almost like they are beneath our notice. What is most troubling is that you'd think after this many loses against them we show some sort of pride and really get up for these teams the next time we played them. That has yet to happen. Such a Jeckyll and Hyde team.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:37 pm EST

Hospo -- nah, great minds just think alike! No reason to post or read what was posted last night....I knew what would be posted and I didn't want to get more annoyed by the loss than I already was. I hate looking forward to big games and have us not play well enough.

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:36 pm EST

I also think the Islanders forwards from top to bottom are better. They don't have a Nash but they have a Tavares. Their bottom 6 is better, especially the 4th line. The Rangers are deeper on the backline and better in net. Overall that may mean it's a wash, which in turn, means who comes to play will end up winning. The Islanders, for reasons previously cited, have come to play in the last 2 games while the Rangers haven't. The results, given the overall equality of the 2 rosters, is the result.

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:35 pm EST

HOSPO: Yes, we will see what happens or doesn't happen with respect to trades/upgrades. And, for the record, I have always agreed with a lot of your characterization of HAYES' weaknesses. But there are a few things that we have always disagreed on. The first is that I see the positives of what HAYES brings to the lineup and ice every night. Things that nobody else on this roster can do consistently, that with all his youth, weaknesses and warts he already does VERY well. It is those things that are keeping him in the lineup over LINDBERG, who physically is much more suited to be playing that role at this time. I see that those positives far outweigh the biggest weakness that he has had this year (faceoffs). As big as faceoffs are in hockey turnovers are much bigger to me. Lost faceoffs can turn into shots on goal and sometimes high quality scoring chances. Turnovers almost always lead to high quality scoring chances and shots on goal. MILLER was horrific again last night. He turned the puck over at least 3 times at his own blue line and offensive blue line. HANK had to make some great saves to keep the puck out of the net. The second thing that we disagree on is what to do about the Center position on this club. I've maintained that if the Rangers really want to go for it they should be looking at upgrading BRASSARD, rather then HAYES/LINDBERG. And if they really, really want to go for it they should upgrade both positions by moving MZA as well. MZA for SHAW and a draft pick from Chicago works for me. BRASSARD and McIlrath for E. STAAL works for me too.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:23 pm EST

Zuc said something Id definitely noticed. Isles attack has no structure, difficult to defend. Loss was far more about things like that than birth certificates.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:58 am EST

JFC31 - If you read my posts from last night, that's exactly what I have been saying..

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:57 am EST

Hey, but you gotta love the roller coaster ride! The highs after the sweep of the Big bad teams out west followed by the :We're soft and we suck" after the losses to BOS and NYI..followed by regained confidence after a win vs the physical CBJ and a rout of the Pens...Then back to the gutter of pansy and veteran hockey, everybod's better and we'll probably lose agasint Montreal! Hey, that's why we're FANS not professionals...

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:56 am EST

The reason we can't beat the ISlanders so far is very simple: the Islanders appraoch the games vs. the Rangers like they have something to prove....the Rangers don't. The Rangers play the ISlanders with the approach that it's just another regular season game....play your system, play whistle to whistle, blah, blah, blah. The Islanders play like it's a playoff game...they are HUNGRY to beat the cross-town rival, SC Finalists....it's a feather in their cap. Rangers don't have to play badly to lose when the edge in INTENSITY is so LOPSIDED. Hey, we need to make a couple of trades, a couple of tweeks....the kind we've been talking about on The Wall for quite some i time now. Most of us have identified the weaknesses we have and want to address them. But, if the playoffs were to start tomorrow vs. the Isles, I would absolutely think we would beat them in the series. Why? Because then the INTENSITY factor would be evened out. Our goaltending and defense is better and we have seasoned vets while the Isles inexperience would be a factor.

JFC31


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:43 am EST

Sorry, Echo and the Bunnymen again...

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:42 am EST

VIC - Just a few things..I agree that the Isles are playing better hockey than the Rangers..They are more cohesive, better coached, hungrier...But, come PO time when things change for youngsters, with no hesitation I would take the Rangers vets over the Isles THIS YEAR....As for the Gobbledeygook of dismissing the Rangers PO run last year...First,, for almost every Cup winner it has to be a "perfect storm" of a PO season becasue it is just that hard to win a cup....Second, the Rangers were the better team in every series that they won..They deserved to win the East...It' the finals, where I agree with you, they ran inot a team that was slighlty better, and partly becasue of the size up fron and down the middle..But 2nd in the NHL, not too shappy........As for HAYES, honetly, I don't think you have proven anything with your "stats"...Hayes is a totally different player relative to the leage now then he was during the first part of the season...He is much more ineffective in all aspects of hi game now realtive to the stiffned competition....But, you are right, HAYES is not at fault for anything.....He' a sof, still physically weak kid with huge offensive abilities and upside trying to learn the NHL game and intenity for a team trying to go for the Cup..It' the Rangers fault they don't have a bigger, strong, better 2-way, better on FOs center on their top 9 so hayes can be developing wither at Hartford, at W or with occasional restings in NY...Hopefully, this will alll be taken care of realtively soon!

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:39 am EST

Ive lost this 3 times, gettin worked up. NYR top 6 includes 4 guys under 27, all on market-friendly deals. Nash gets Nash $. Its St Louis who stretches them thin. Another no-show performance. But please, as soon as they lose, the 'youthers' come out in force. Youre always better with a team of 19-yr olds in their opinion. Not in mine.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:28 am EST

VIC - Just a few things..I agree that the Isles are playing better hockey than the Rangers..They are more cohesive, better coached, hungrier...But, come PO time when things change for youngsters, with no hesitation I would take the Rangers vets over the Isles THIS YEAR....As for the Gobbledeygook of dismissing the Rangers PO run last year...First,, for almost every Cup winner it has to be a "perfect storm" of a PO season becasue it is just that hard to win a cup....Second, the Rangers were the better team in every series that they won..They deserved to win the East...It' the finals, where I agree with you, they ran inot a team that was slighlty better, and partly becasue of the size up fron and down the middle..But 2nd in the NHL, not too shappy........As for HAYES, honetly, I don't think you have proven anything with your "stats"...Hayes is a totally different player relative to the leage now then he was during the first part of the season...He is much more ineffective in all aspects of hi game now realtive to the stiffned competition....But, you are right, HAYES is not at fault for anything.....He' a sof, still physically weak kid with huge offensive abilities and upside trying to learn the NHL game and intenity for a team trying to go for the Cup..It' the Rangers fault they don't have a bigger, strong, better 2-way, better on FOs center on their top 9 so hayes can be developing wither at Hartford, at W or with occasional restings in NY...Hopefully, this will alll be taken care of realtively soon!

Hospo


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:28 am EST

PUCK: When I used the word "prospects" in my first post I meant it in the context of the word "chances". I wasn't actually referring to the Islanders' prospects vs. the Rangers prospects. But, to answer your other point the Islanders can afford to make those moves because their lineup includes young Islander draft picks (most of them high picks) including TAVARAS, OKPOSO, NELSON, STROME, BAILY, DeHAAN and others. The rest of their lineup contains other good draft picks later in the draft, as well as some young high draft choices from other teams like HICKEY. That gives them the money to spend and the ability to part with other prospects and draft picks to obtain guys like BOYCHUCK, LEDDY and HALAK. They could make those deals without worrying about the salary Cap or depth of the organization because they are so young as a team. Clearly SNOW has done a good job of assembling this team and they are well coached.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 11:13 am EST

Vic-it's not the prospects. The Isles literally got 5 top players in the off season. A top goalie(halak), 2 top 4 defenseman in the same day-right before the season opener, and 2 $5mm+ free agent forwards. We lost at least 6 guys (Richards, Boyle, Strahlman, Pouliot, Dorsett, Carcillo) to free agency and bottom 6 shuffling. No doubt they have good prospects-but we beat them and their prospects last season. No NHL team adds 2 top 4 D in the same day-as they had the cap space and the picks to make it happen

puckyou


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:58 am EST

RF4: If there were no Salary Cap it would be really easy to put together a bottom 6. You could just overpay as much as you needed to. The Salary Cap makes it harder, not easier for teams to put together a solid bottom 6. In fact, it may be harder to put together a top tier bottom 6 then it is to put up a top tier top 6. The top 6 get all the money. Teams have to make due with what is left over to fill out the bottom 6. That is why it is critical to have young players filtering into your lineup every year. The best way to build a team is to have your superstar top 6 filled out with as many young, high-performing first contract kids as you can. That leaves more money to overspend for veterans to fill out your bottom 6. When you have a veteran filled top 6 making good money there is very little left for the bottom 6. That is where the Rangers are right now and why they need FAST, MILLER, HAYES/LINDBERG in the lineup. It is why I don't expect a trade for a 3rd line Center and why I think LINDBERG will be brought up to fill that role if the Rangers don't think HAYES can do the job they want in the playoffs. So far they haven't given that impression. They want him to be better on draws and he has been over the last few games. Lets see if that continues.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:46 am EST

I dont want to take anything from the Isles. Hank said last night, or acknowledged, theyre the best team they've faced. BUT, they havent won the most playoff rounds the last 3 years. We have. I am not at all prepared to concede theyre anything more than a bad matchup for us right now. That game was very close for a long time, and we missed some great chances to jump out front. The Rangers arent as good as they can be. Theyre still getting by with a 3rd-4th line setup that was pieced together out of camp. Even then everyone knew moves were in order, they we an unfinished product. Lets see what happens. But lets not get crazy. I wouldnt trade our team for theirs. I certainly wouldnt trade our goaltender for theirs. Halak has a history of being very on, and very off. its a long year. Theyve got our number, now. Plenty of times one team owns another all year, but the POs are a different story. That said, Id be happy to avoid them LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:44 am EST

Speaking of HAYES (who is 22 BTW and not 24)....I really wish the Rangers would send him down to Hartford. That way we could completely eliminate this notion that he is holding this team back from winning against the Islanders, Lightning and Bruins, or any other team for that matter. I've already shown that he has provided nearly identical even strength scoring as BRASSARD while playing on the 3rd line with mostly HAGS and FAST, while BRASSARD plays with MZA and the top goal scorer in the league in NASH. BTW, is MZA's lack of scoring BRASSARD's fault just like HAGS lack of scoring is HAYES fault? And I realize that HAYES' 4 hits per 60 minutes are grossly inadequate compared to STEPAN's 2 hits per 60 minutes, BRASSARD's 5 hits per 60 minutes and MOORE's 2.6 hits per 60 minutes. Things would be so much better with VERMETTE's 4 hits per 60 minutes, his -8 turnovers and -13 plus/minus rather then HAYES and plus 16 turnovers and plus 2 play......

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:31 am EST

Vic: IMO, it's a combination of all 4. Because Brassard and Stepan are, at best, 1B centers, the need for a strong 3rd and 4th line becomes more acute. It should be easier to build a bottom 6 than a top 6. I've been saying it since October - having a rookie who's a winger manning your 3rd line is not a recipe for a cup winner. We were all hoping Hayes development would fast track but not surprising, after some growth in November, we've seen him plateau. He needs to be farmed out. Why Lindbergh isn't recalled is beyong me, although perhaps that's reflective of what he's really all about - another career minor leaguer in the Ranger system.

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:24 am EST

Speaking of last year. As an old fortune cookie of mine says "Distance lends enhancement to the view". Looking back at that run in the playoffs last year it looks more and more like the perfect storm came together for the Rangers enabling them to go further then they would have otherwise gone. They got the Flyers (easily the worst team in the playoffs) in the first round and squeaked out a 7 game series. They drew the Penguins next and were going to get eliminated when MSL's mom died. That event galvanized the team and they played above their heads and won that series against a Pens team that they match up well against. They avoided the Bruins and got to play the Canadiens. PRICE goes down in game 1 and the Rangers win a 6 game series against a mediocre at best Canadian team. The Rangers put up a good fight against LA but LA's best players were better then the Rangers best players. I never thought the Rangers could make it to the Finals because their biggest weakness was right up the middle on their #1 and #2 lines. When they made it to the Finals at the time I backed off that thinking maybe I was wrong on that point. In retrospect I think I was right on that point and the Rangers only made it there through a perfect storm of lucky matchups and the death of MSL's mom. The Rangers don't have what it takes up the middle to win the playoffs and it is because of STEPAN and BRASSARD not HAYES and MOORE.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:12 am EST

On the team....The Islanders are better. They are better because they are younger, faster, bigger, more disciplined, and more talented. They have a true elite #1 Center. When it counts and where it counts they are better. They can play the Rangers speed game and they can play a physical game that the Rangers can't. The Rangers have lost each of these games against the Islanders not because the the Rangers bottom 6 is over-matched, but because the Rangers top 6 are over-matched. I remember having the same old tired argument with TD a few years ago regarding how to build a team. He used the Islanders as one of his examples that drafting high doesn't guarantee you anything. I said then that I thought the Islanders would win a Cup before the Rangers did and that I would swap rosters with them in a NY minute. The Rangers almost proved me wrong last year but from what I see the Islanders prospects are better this year and probably for the foreseeable future.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:06 am EST

stevie: Can't beat the Bruins, Fishes or Bolts - Russian roulette with the stakes jacked up. Sorta like that scene in Deerhunter, eh, where De Niro eggs those phuckers on so 3 bullets go in the cylinder...

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:02 am EST

BTW, if it wasn't obvious already, last night's game should reaffirm to Sather that the team desperately needs someone like Zach Kassian, who is available apparently. Just do it Sather and tell your pacifist loving coach Kassian gets a regular turn in the bottom 6.

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:02 am EST

On last night....First goal against was a bad turnover at the offensive Blue Line followed by BRASSARD deciding he didn't need to backcheck....at all. He lazily skated the entire way back. Had he busted his ass he would have been in front of the goal and in position to break up the play. We also had McDONAGH doing the old "Fart and Fall Down" maneuver. On the second goal STEPAN pulled the always successful defense of skating casually behind the goal when the puck wasn't there (and neither were any Islanders for that matter). He took himself completely out of the play for no apparent reason. The PP failed once again.

Vic


Wed Jan 28 2015 10:01 am EST

rf4l and that's why they can't beat the fish....Sather has to address the problem....' can never be tough enough'......

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:58 am EST

Up next is Montreal. Another loss looming?

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:51 am EST

stevie: Hayes' lack of a physical presence is probably part of the reason AV seems to adore him so much!

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:36 am EST

guess my post got jumbled....Hayes doesn't hit with any balls.... they need a better alternative......they need more grit and desire, get Neil .....and a center.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:31 am EST

if that's a hit

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:25 am EST

Hello everyone -- we are aware of the issues and are working with the host to resolve them. Thanks.

RFCAdmin


Wed Jan 28 2015 9:24 am EST

switch hagelin with bazookerella, his confidence is low...hayes is a joke of a hitter. he gives a guy an open ice shoulder tap and runs away. The guas a hit, then so should mosquito bites. ...this team needs morey was at the redline in the fishzone with the puck. If that was counted grit and desire.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:48 am EST

BTW, as much as I hate to say this, I'm starting to lose patience with MZA. One goal in 18 games is not a stat you want from a top 6 forward, especially a small top 6 forward. I'm starting to reach the point where I don't care if he's included in a deal at the deadline (provided I like the player(s) coming back of course).

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:47 am EST

Thats funny York, was thinking the same but different. I like Hayes too, but really, how much better is he going to get? IDK. A bit better more for sure, but thatd leave him in adequate/good territory. He's 24 already, I cant see him getting much quicker, and dont see him developing much of an edge. So what is he going to be exactly? IDK. He needs to play more, too. Hard to show your full game 10 mins a night. And he needs complimentary wingers. No question they need more from that spot now. after last night, they need more from everybody LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:44 am EST

York: IMO, Hayes should continue at center - his size is too alluring not to keep the plan in action. However, he should be in Hartford figuring it out and better yet, playing top 6 minutes because I'm assuming that's where the Rangers see him in the future (number 2 center man to be specific).

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:42 am EST

Nash is correct - most shots from the outside and rarely did Halek, who left a lot of rebounds, have to make a 2nd save. Gotta commend the Islanders for keeping the Rangers on the perimeter and criticize the Rangers for letting that happen. The Rangers cycle game was, for the most part, absent, too.

RF4L


Wed Jan 28 2015 8:41 am EST

Hayes I like this kids future but he should be on Wing and one of him or miller should be in Hartford. The tryout is over I thought maybe his learning curve would skyrocket but it hasn't. Don't miss read this he doesn't suck he's adequate the problem is you don't win cups with adequate, you win with excellence and Hayes is not there yet. Just getting by isn't good enoug, saying he will get better is great but if you're trying to win now then that's not the guy for this team today.

York18


Wed Jan 28 2015 1:04 am EST

Posts are still vanishing. Ah well. I was saying, Im not going to question it when the captain is saying it. I would differentiate it and say thats as inside as many of these guys go! And thats another reason I want a huge, reckless centerman.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 28 2015 12:29 am EST

RABID - The posts at 11:14 and 11:33 were whagt I meant that the Rangers weren't playing hard enough....RF4L - Sounds illogical but despite the losses I think the Rangers without or hopefully with tweaks beat the Isles in the POs..It's there, and hopefully before, the Rangers will match the passion and desire of the Isles

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:33 pm EST

Pat Leonard ✔ @PLeonardNYDN Nash: "Offensively we have to work harder to get to the inside. Their goalie made a lot of saves but saw a lot of shots from the outside."

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:31 pm EST

Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport Hey, Torts. Hagelin scored a power-play goal.

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:30 pm EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/01/27/super-bowl-nfl-king-devick-eye-movement-concussion-test/22431165/

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:19 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/27/as-usual-this-season-rangers-have-no-answers-for-islanders/

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:18 pm EST

NYR Alumni Reports @NYRalumni Best wishes to #NYRalumni Radek Dvorak who announced his retirement. @NYRangers (1999-2003: 256 gms, 65G, 99A, 164pts) @NHLPA

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:14 pm EST

Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport McDonagh said Rangers were "owned." That's good enough for me.

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:04 pm EST

Well my post are vanishing faster than the wetlands. Hospo, I know we agree on need to improve. Not sure if that was sarcastic or not. But since this post will vanish too, it doesn't really matter!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:01 pm EST

Hanzal has won 57% of the 580 or so faceoffs he has taken (24/50 on the pk, but looks like he is 3rd pk center based on total number of draws and toi) while Vermette has won 54% of the 1000 or so faceoffs he has taken (61/115 on the pk) Posted by Pete on 01/27 at 04:18 PM

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:54 pm EST

I think they should identify who they want, go get them, and let the new look start building it’s chemistry.. Barely time to wait!

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:45 pm EST

Hospo: What would be fabulous if those tweaks occur and the Rangers square off against those punks in the POs and win. That would be quite satisfying!

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:40 pm EST

STILL a good team..needs some tweaks..Hopefully losses like this will drive that point home to Sather..if he's a little unsure

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:31 pm EST

Wow, board sucks as much as the Rangers did tonight.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:28 pm EST

The islanders are bigger and better. Ranger 3rd and 4th lines are horrible. To many small players who can be easily pushed off the puck by a faster stronger team. Hope we don't meet them in the first round.

barto


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:25 pm EST

MF - It takes every second post...copy and paste

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:25 pm EST

RABID -Not trying ENOUGH..The Rangers need to be playing games against the Isles like they are PO games, giving their max effort and intensity, just like the way the Isles treat the game for 60 mins....Not 20 mins....JMWO.....And, hey, you got me pegged,,,just saying anything becasue I think the Rangers suck and we should just give up and wait for the future..Lord knows, you are the only rational fan here...

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:24 pm EST

RR: the website is screwed up... kind of like tonights effort. IMO

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:14 pm EST

I keep losing posts, so one more try. Hospo, so they were the better team two periods means we're not trying? I don't buy that, but people can and especially after a loss will say anything. Its a great chance for those who advocate not improving the team now and instead waiting for the Anthony Duclair 2018 tour. Makes me sick but that's what some believe.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:10 pm EST

Phuck the Blues man - we don't care. Don't they have board to post that meaningless crap?

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:10 pm EST

BOB/PARanger - I'm trying to keep this level...I'm really not against kids..What I want is the BEST players that give us a chance to win, and win the Cup....I like MILLER, I think he should be playing 4th line WING..I'm no fan of Hayes..I don't think he should be playing 3rd C..I think the Rangers need a center with size, some ability, some grit, some FO talent and maybe another player with toughtness..We do not have young players to offer that..The only place to look is vets...I want to win..I want to find the BEST players

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:04 pm EST

Blues just traded Lapierre for Goc. Maybe straight up? Thats a bad deal. Also lateral

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:03 pm EST

Sean Avery ‏@imseanavery 12m12 minutes ago Why didn't they ask #Marty's wife to be on #HockeyWives

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:01 pm EST

OK, I admit that was stupid. I am warming up to trade a couple kids, but not for what AV wants. I am willing to move them for some size and toughness. AV will trade them for more Ice Capades members. Ugh.

Bob


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:00 pm EST

hey dont worry. Weve got our secret weapon just waiting in Hartford: #24

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:59 pm EST

BOB - Who aimed grief at MILLER???

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:59 pm EST

Let's see.........trade Hayes to LA for Mike Richards, because VETS. Trade Miller for Chris Neil, because VETS. Trade John Moore for Colin Greening, because VETS. We need more VETS! We don't have enough VETS to beat the Islanders. Our VETS were great in this game, the young players sucked. If we are lucky, we can trade The Duke for Brian Gionta and Buchnevich for Stephane Robidas and we should be all set. Set with the VETS.

Bob


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:59 pm EST

Hospo.., saw your following post after I commented; maybe Slats can trade Hayes for Gordie Howe? You and I obviously disagree on the kids; I will continue to maintain they are not the issue. The Isles are the club our guys SHOULD be. Big, YOUNG, and very talented.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:57 pm EST

RABID - game is not 20 mins long,,thought the isles were better in the first and 3rd....Rangers stayed to the perimiter...Isles played bigger aqnd badder..Rangers not enough of either..I know it's not their game, but their better players--the Kreidrs, McD's, Step, Brass, MZAs, St, Louis, etc.. gotta find the extra level against the Isles like it's the POs becasue that's how the Isles treat the game...JMWO.

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:53 pm EST

Gotta say Hospo, think its lame to question their effort. They were clearly better team in 2nd, maybe you do/don't agree, but if you do, how was their effort then? Think they wanted this one pretty bad, they just can't get one to drop. And you know once trailing going into the 3rd it skews that period. I don't think its much more than that (in terms of effort). Personnel, well there I know we agree they need a good more. It doesn't bother me half as much its the Isles as it is every time they play a team that skates & has a stiff D they look like a perimeter team.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:50 pm EST

Pa.rangrs. fan - try reading a little my man....I am no fan of HAYES, true, but I was commenting on how AV uses them ..And I put the blame on the team and the vets......But don't let that stop you...

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:46 pm EST

Hospo.., you have no use for the kids, short-sighted, just my opinion; what was klein doing standing by and watching martin rough up staal, he of the mushed mind? No comments on the ineffectiveness of the redundant, small forwards in the line up? Big Mac a bust? How about the King being outplayed by the monster? Still the kids fault!

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:45 pm EST

True Dat. McD continues his struggle, nothing out of lines 1, 2 and 3 and all the grief is aimed at Hayes and Miller? Did Nash, Stepan, Zucc, and MSL play in this game?

Bob


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:45 pm EST

YOU CANT BEAT US,,,,,,,,,YOU CANT BEAT US,,,,,guess their correct---------terrible game,,,,,looked very soft,,,,,,,Joe says "it was a great game? what the fuck is he watching?........bad way to start the stretch run,,,once again the better goaltender in NY won,,,maybe the fans were right,,are Hanks best days behind him?

thedugster


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:44 pm EST

suck it, Nassau. ////// announcer with nice quip on Hags' goal: "didnt someone once say that Hagelin stinks on the PP?"

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:40 pm EST

But, make no mistake, MIller and Hayes played very little role in the loss..Once again, the inadquacies of the vets and big stars guys couldn't get anything done

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:39 pm EST

evets/jratelle: Get the frustration but don't dismiss the notion that AV reigns him in. In other words, he reacts with 2 minutes to go because it's meaningless if he gets a penalty. AV, IMO, corrals this team's reactions to intimidation tactics, to the point where they have no balls. And it shows in games against teams like this. And will be their downfall I'm afraid.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:37 pm EST

Bottom line is that, even after two losses, Rangers don't respect the Isles enough to give their best effort...As a whole, Isles hungrier..Isles with more Passion..Isles playing bigger..Just like last game...And, for sure, wwhen down the Rangers don't have a line, let alone a player that has the attitude and intensity to cahnge the momentum of a game with physicality....Glad to see, despite the limited succes on FOs, people are getting in line with Hayes..And the way AV uses and trust both HAyes and Miller both seem to be replaceable as well as tradeable (more likely MIller)..but probably for another finesse center!!

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:36 pm EST

RF4L... I think McIlrath would be a deer in headlights in a game like this. I think we have to face facts that McIlrath is a buts and will most likely be moved at the deadline.

evets1980


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:35 pm EST

Oh... and Tanner Glass should never play another game this year. He is an absolute waste on the ice. He brings nothing but a little physicality which has no affect on the game.

evets1980


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:35 pm EST

Ok now glass wants to play tough guy? Where we're you the whole f...ing game?

jratelle19


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:35 pm EST

Martin runs Staal and Staal takes exception. BRING UP McI YOU STUPID COACH. Idiot..

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:35 pm EST

Whole game looks different when they don't go in. They didn't and obviously we can't beat this team right now.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:34 pm EST

oh let them fight you idiot refs....

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:33 pm EST

I really like Mats Zuccarello and he has shown flashes this year of what he was last year, but at what point does AV take him off of the line with Brassard and Nash and put someone like Miller in there.

evets1980


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:32 pm EST

Wow.., guess Hayes is the new whipping boy; well done folks!

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:32 pm EST

Oh, they call Nash for a slash that happens 5000 times a game. Officials trying to match the Rangers for shittiness.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:29 pm EST

Ooops...Miller coughs up the puck at Islander blueline - guess AV will pressbox him, maybe call up a Bourque brother and make this team smaller and softer.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:29 pm EST

One motherf!?@ing goal....can they handle that? AV thinks he knows how much we hate the ice holes but what he doesn't realize is that being beaten by this f...ing team this many times will make us forget last year's success very quickly. This is so unacceptable!

jratelle19


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:27 pm EST

Remember when Dickaletti predicted that McD would win the Norris this year?

RDW


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:26 pm EST

UNREAL FO %s: Hayes, 75%. Brass, 25%. ///// hits are about even, but Rangers have poured on 40+ shots and none are getting past Halak.

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:26 pm EST

Deja Vu! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-S6md3LNgs

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:23 pm EST

: St. Louis, Boyle, Zucc all crap in this game. Stepan invisible. None of the D can get a shot thru. The D isn't moving the puck out quickly. Why do the Rangers move the puck backwards in their own zone constantly? Hayes better learn to use his body

puckyou


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:20 pm EST

The Islanders get a goalie that is not a total sieve and we cannot beat them. They lose Okposo and keep right on cruising. We lose Stepan and go into the tank.

Bob


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:17 pm EST

Islanders the better team across the board, in all 3 games. Outscored 12 to 3 so far collectively, outhit and overall terrible.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:10 pm EST

JT Miller gave JTavares a nice slash......The better JT didn't like that at all.

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:08 pm EST

Lets hope we don't meet the Isles in the playoffs....we will be swept! No one on this team can be physical........Glass stinks! Our 3rd and 4th lines are not as good as they need to be

rngrsans


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:05 pm EST

Screw this I'm changing the channel

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:53 pm EST

the fish will fit in bklyn, the nyr in France....metrosexuals....girly men....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:48 pm EST

Waive

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:48 pm EST

Get neil wave or break glass

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:46 pm EST

5 periods no tips no screens..:: what's glass' job to let clusterpuck do whatever he wants? ... Try imitating him instead saying excuse I'm sorry my bad please forgive me ... Drop your white gloves glass ...fire up your team... That's your job or don't play...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:46 pm EST

Could be (yikes) the Islanders are a better team?? Nah, say it so!

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:41 pm EST

One goal in 17 games for Zuk, not good especially if you're playing on the first line , i would include him in a Kessel or Eberle deal !!

ilya


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:39 pm EST

This is PRECISELY the type of game where McI is needed. Clutterphuck being a prick in front of the net and who responds (to his credit)? Brassard.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:38 pm EST

One goal in 17 games for Zuk, not good especially if you're playing on the first line , i would include him in a Kessel or Eberle deal !!

ilya


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:37 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 10m10 minutes ago Rangers haven't scored on Halak and Isles D in what, five periods?

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:37 pm EST

No second shots for the Rangers. Some solid shots from the point and getting the puck in, but not getting to the rebounds.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:35 pm EST

Agreed Hayes looks lost. Time to farm this kid out. For his own sake if not the team's.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:34 pm EST

Islander 4th line owning the Rangers. Best player for me for Rangers has been Girardi. Giving it as hard, if not harder, than he's taking it.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:31 pm EST

Willie Mays Hayes......Runs like Willie Mays.....hits like shit

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:31 pm EST

I hope chomper has a plan for some playoff grit. If not were in trouble.

barto


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:29 pm EST

Hayes looks like the new Brian Boyle....and not even as good....a bad imitation....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:23 pm EST

Hayes looks like the strawman

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:19 pm EST

Does Dominic Moore have an expiration date? Every year he does great ......then he expires and gets traded to a new team to get a better born on date............Looks like he is expired this year

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:16 pm EST

PER- I - ME - TER

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:15 pm EST

Nyr not playing with much urgency ....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:15 pm EST

Puck losses all over the ice avoiding the hits. Sather, are you watching????

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:13 pm EST

Passy cake passy cake fakers can't score

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:11 pm EST

Pp1-17 wow

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:11 pm EST

Rangers 1 for 17 in their last 6 games on the PP. Why did Dan Boyle get signed? Surely not for his stellar defense....

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:10 pm EST

OK, if you want to ice a pussy team and be successful, you'd better have a strong PP. Let's see how the Rangers respond.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:09 pm EST

4 th line scores what nonsense

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:08 pm EST

Islander broadcast here and these guys are pretty good. Insightful, calm and comments are fair.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:07 pm EST

Good pk

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:05 pm EST

Uh oh.....A KREID- BY

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:04 pm EST

Guess fish are allowed to take hand off stick grab kid k and not get a penalty with him ...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:04 pm EST

Shitty reputation call there. Big trouble if it goes 2 zip the way the Rangers are sucking.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:03 pm EST

Jim ( still remember that name :) Steve.They're playing scared against tough opposition like pussies except for Pens and Flyers (whom they were able to beat this season) but those teams Isles , Tampa,Boston and even Caps (whom the rangers were able to beat) were the better team!!!

ilya


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:03 pm EST

I don't watch any Icehole games other than when they play the Rangers..........Do any other teams go after John Tavares and try to stir the pot? Or is he an untouchable now and teams let him ice capade in the offensive zone?

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:01 pm EST

Here's where we swarm them.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:00 pm EST

Callahan -- Brian Boyle --- Benoit Poiliot -- Derek Dorsett --- Anton Stralman ........... Does this combination of 5 match up against Isles, Lightning , and Bruins better than Kevin Hayes, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Hunwick and Dan Boyle? I doubt that Lee Stempniak and John Moore are the answers either

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:57 pm EST

Giveaways fishstink 8 nyr 6... Guess sam nose and knows little dickaletti like to exaggerate . Probably their 8 in Nyr zone as were the nyrs...: puck it on a platter ...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:51 pm EST

A clusterpuck getting outmuscled and making apple turnovers. Hank had no business leaving the crease instead of hugging the post leaving the net wide open. Going to commit go get the puck otherwise stay in the net. they are not crashing the net. Making fishstink goalie their master. No goals 4 periods ... Pathetic ....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:50 pm EST

ilya: They are on pace for nearly 60 (yes SIXTY) shots against. Shameful and reason to believe they will be better next period.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:48 pm EST

Trade: I cannot understand why they play like they do against Tampa, but they are looking over their shoulders tonight and did the same when they played the Bruins earlier this month. I sure hope Sather sees it and jams down his coach's throat a couple of answers to this. It's gonna be, I fear, their PO downfall.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:45 pm EST

BTW, 17 Islander shots as the Rangers continually look over their collective shoulders for the next Islander hit. Better regroup for the 2nd.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:45 pm EST

Rangers Pussies against ----> Islanders ----> Lightning ----> Bruins

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:45 pm EST

Iceholes taking advantage of some lousy passing and bad decision making by the Rangers. Hank is keeping them in the game so far.

jratelle19


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:45 pm EST

Not really sure what McD was doing on the goal. He's been mediocre all year IMO

RDW


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:44 pm EST

Horrible period of hockey, led by the captain who coughed the puck up more than once and then for whatever reason, was flat on his stomach like a fish out of water on the Islander goal. Why the hell the coach doesn't move him to the 2nd pairing and put G and Staal together is beyond me.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:41 pm EST

Where is the sense of urgency

ilya


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:37 pm EST

Where is the sense of urgency

ilya


Tue Jan 27 2015 7:34 pm EST

If they think they gonna win a lot of games by playing like shit they're wrong ,being outplayed outworked and surrender over 30 shots on goal !!!

ilya


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:58 pm EST

Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport Rangers lineup still questionable: Vigneault, Kreider (who practiced) and maybe others are ill. Lundqvist in goal. Hunwick is 6th D.

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:44 pm EST

Kevin Allen ✔ @ByKevinAllen Martin Brodeur to retire, will join Blues' front office: http://usat.ly/1JBVY6X ...guess him and lemon lou aren't good buddies......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:29 pm EST

Okposo is on I R. Don't care what LB wrote, the NYR need to prove they can beat the opposition. I'm guessing that the sooner we land a center. The sooner we see Hayes on wing..

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:06 pm EST

marco....

Ranger47


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:06 pm EST

Stempniak isn't a prominent NY forward (and if he is, the Rangers are in big trouble - lol). Kreider will be missed - his size and speed and the way he's been using both will be sorely missed against a team like the Islanders.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:03 pm EST

echo

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:02 pm EST

kid k was sick yesterday, probably him.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:02 pm EST

kid k was sick yesterday, probably him.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 5:02 pm EST

Stepniak? :)

Ranger47


Tue Jan 27 2015 4:55 pm EST

Leonard with the tease.."we may see Glass back in tonight. Could be a prominent #NYR forward out due to illness. Everyone taking warm-ups".. NASH or KREIDER???

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 4:04 pm EST

Hospo just wish veenyo would come here and read our posts, and do what we tell them to do..but not some of the others.....lol...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 3:48 pm EST

STEVIE - Good, for a second I thought we were going in circles when we actrually think alot alike...!!

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 3:42 pm EST

didn't think you were.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 3:39 pm EST

Drop the puck!! LOL! We need some HOCKEY!!!

JFC31


Tue Jan 27 2015 3:25 pm EST

STEVIE - Jeezus Stevie, Not arguing with you..Again, it's what you (and I) think...it's what AV and Sather thinks that matter

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 3:14 pm EST

Hospo having both Glass and Neil, and a vermette 3rd line center is just what the dr ordered.....need the depth , size, grit, and edge....with a 23 man roster....more blacknblue.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:56 pm EST

STEVIE - I think he is also..but what you and I think don't mean jack shit...AV likes and trusts Glass, I don't see them spending money and a pick on a slight upgrade at 4th line W/Black Ace...But I wouldn't mind it if they did/could....CENTER FIRST! GET VERMETTE! then see what you can do if anything....

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:48 pm EST

Agreed in full R47. AV cited Hayes playing out west against bigger centers and said it was fine, but I expect him to say nothing less. It can be deceptive too. We might not face an opponent in a few rounds that have that big center. And in fact, your big lumbering center (if we get one) can get beat by quicker players. But if you come up against LA or STL, they can wear you out. Backes ran around like he owned the rink last time we played the Blues. I'd really like to be prepared for any eventuality; and win the Cup easy;) That'd be nice after the POs of the past few years. Its been really really hard.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:47 pm EST

sometimes I'm sick too...of veenyo's 1 track mindset......need to throw more than just fastballs, some curves and changeups, with a knuckler is a lot harder to beat......4 lines that can do what's needed......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:44 pm EST

Hospo Neil is a lot better player than Glass.....who can be a blacknblue ace.....that's sather's cap problems.......2 additions would make the 3rd and 4 th lines a lot better......a checking line and a crashing line......that would help the 1st and 2nd......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:24 pm EST

I also think you cannot use the recent road trip out west as an example of how we can match up as constructed against a physical team IN A SERIES as well as IN LATER rounds. In both cases we would get worn down to negate our speed. So, adding some size/grit could be critical to going deep. Relatedly, having more depth at center should Step or Brass get injured or worn down would also be important (not to mention the obvious discussion we've had about the need for a 3C).

Ranger47


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:16 pm EST

The problem is, you only get to ice one team. If your muckers can't score, then there is no more finesse game.

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:10 pm EST

Brodeur no more? Man that MFer was around forever. Never liked him. He couldn't carry Mike Richter's stick.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:08 pm EST

ESPN Insider says we're in on Vermette, which should surprise no one. Id bet they have plenty of mores in the fire. Guys likes Boyes & Stafford remind me too much of Stempniak (not that he's a bad player). I'm hoping for someone with a sharp edge. Neil fits the bill but dunno if he can skate a regular shift. It feels like Xmas when you're not sure what you're gonna get. BTW, Kreider is sick but skated this am. AV is sick too.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:05 pm EST

RDW - Why I asked about him...The Greening I remember from 2-3 years ago could skate and hit...But, from WALL reports, sounds like he's just lazy and overpriced now..

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:02 pm EST

Doesn't Greening have some serious wheels? Maybe he would fit well in this system?

RDW


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:01 pm EST

STEVIE - Center first..If Neil, even better..but, one thing, AV is not going to play BOTH GLASS and Neil, and he already likes Glass...So I just don't see it...but, you never know..

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:59 pm EST

stevie: Neil has gone with Lucic on many occasions and handled himself quite well. I'd take him on our 4th line

RDW


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:56 pm EST

Hospo that center and Neil would be perfect.....D is fine.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:54 pm EST

STEVIE - THAT center is indeed is the only thing that matters.....everything else will be icing on the cake, but perhaps very tasty icing

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:37 pm EST

good for him....he should coach goalies.....if he's so reclined.....guess he didn't want to get traded.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:26 pm EST

Brodeur announces retirement

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:22 pm EST

RF4L -- agreeing....the Rangers are lacking the ability to play physical hockey...to initiate that style in a game....and that is due to AVs overemphasis on speed & transition. It's one thing to say that the Rangers had width stand a physical onslaught, it's another thing to say that they can play a physical style of hockey. Great teams can play "pick your poison" with their opponents....the Rangers can't. They have only one type of poison and ifbthemotherbteam has the antidote, they are in trouble. I want the Rangers to have more than one way to beat them...when the finesse game is not working, they can get down and dirty and win.

JFC31


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:17 pm EST

Greening's cap hit is 2.65 million

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:11 pm EST

Neil would have no problem going after marchand except lucic.....but he would still be a good pest...and he can play hockey.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:09 pm EST

take Neil for the playoffs....he knows how to play in those.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:09 pm EST

JFC: Not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. AV's teams in Vancouver had some genuine cheapshot artists (LaPierre and Burrows led the pack) but neither would fight and both turtled if challenged by someone bigger and meaner when the opposition grew tired of their dirty tactics. I watched most of that Bruin/Canuck final a few years back and what Brad Marchand was allowed to get away with with ZERO response was shameful and a significant reason why AV cannot boast of a cup triumph. He's got the same team now, minus the cheapshot artists (thankfully).

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:07 pm EST

An alternative to Stafford who I like is Brad Boyes. Florida is said to be looking to clear room for youngsters and maybe he can be had on the cheap. Would add decent scoring ability to bottom 6. Righty shot. Makes 2.6. Not sure of contract length. As far as toughness/player, would love Chris Neil. I hate the contract Glass has. I think were stuck with him. Nobody in there right mind would take him at that price.

stepunmytoe


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:05 pm EST

BTW, apparently Chris Neil is available. He'll be 36 in June and has a lot of miles on him. That said, if he can be had for something like a 3rd rounder I'd consider it because he'd help address that lack of physicality. He's got a year after this on his current deal - $2,100,000 this year and $1,500,000 next year.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:04 pm EST

center has to skate fast too.....guess he can't have any weaknesses...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:03 pm EST

add a center with size and edge who can win face-offs...that's the only move Sather needs to do......no day off glen the phones work......take your time and hurry up......game is on for tonight ....catch some fish and gut them ......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:03 pm EST

RF4L -- not sure that AV doesn't care for physical hockey....rather, he likes/emphasizes the finesse part to the detriment of the former. The coach's philosophy goes a loooooong way towards creating the team's culture and identity. The players we what he prefers and they play that way. AV seems to show prejudices and have favorite players.....and those players are all about offense....even the defenseman. What does he value in his D-men?....moving the puck quickly through the neutral zone....not hitting, not grit....his philosophy is centered on transition. He also has a bad habit of putting down players who he doesn't care for while holding fire on others....hence, he criticizes Miller, compliments Hayes....McIlrath has a fight, gets awarded the Broadway Hat and all he does is publicly undermine the value of what McI did/does. He was always very complimentary of Duclair. He needs to cut that sh!t out. He should have given McI a better chance to show what he could do at the NHL level. He doesn't do it because McI is not his kind of player....because AV is not about physical hockey. Look at his team in Vancouver and their style and look at our team. Finesse is accentuated, physicality is not.

JFC31


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:55 pm EST

34 days until the deadline... If it's a buyers market and the sellers don't want to wind up with little for their assets, they're going to need to take the offers, OR "hit the bid" as they say on Wall Street.

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:42 pm EST

JFC: Agreed but I keep coming back to the one thing that the Rangers don't have: A physical edge. They can skate with anybody. They can forecheck as well as anybody. And their 2 way game is a good as anybody's. I realize I'm over simplifying but I wonder if this issue's answer is withering away in Hartford. I just wish AV had taken the opportunity in October/November when he was forced to use farmhands to see what McI was capable of over a stretch of games. Instead, he used Kostagoal over and over again - and to what purpose? He's not had a sniff since - can't even be the 8th d-man. Lost opportunity IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:37 pm EST

Hospo: Not a whole lot, but when I have lately he's invisible. And don't forget that there was a coaching change there and it had zero impact on him. He's not worth the dough, unless you can convince the Sens to eat 1/2.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:37 pm EST

The GREAT teams can win against ANY style of plat that is used against them. What has made the Kings a GREAT team is that is precisely what they can do. Ya wanna skate, we'll skate....ya wanna play physical, we'll match you hit for hit. A great team can also switch from style to style at will WITHIN a game to defeat an opponent...for example, come out hitting hard and forechecking hard, wear out the opponent and then use speed/skating/finesse to finish them off. Anyone on The Wall willing to state at this point that the Rangers are a "great" team and can do those things? I think they are a formidable team that can beat anyone when they are firing on all cylinders.....when they are offensively sharp, defensively sound and get great goaltending. I'm not willing to say that I'm co for table with that....that it's enough. I want them to be able to beat teams when they are NOT sharp....to be able to fall back on the less skillful, physical style when the passing and crisp breakouts are not there, when their finesse game is not working. They can't do that right now. If they want to be GREAT they need to stop being a one trick pony IMO

JFC31


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:36 pm EST

RF4L _ Was just asking!! We obviously remember him differently..I liked his game 3-4 years ago..Hit alot and could scores (stats show this also)..and I guess what earned him that contract....Was just wondering what happened to his game..Do you watch him much?

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:36 pm EST

mf: I like your call on Stafford but my fear is you'll only get a body out of Buffalo if you're prepared to overpay. That's Tim Murray's position so far. It's risky because he could end up making no moves but I think it's safe to say that if you aren't prepared to overpay, you'll have to wait until the deadline nears before that price comes down (if it comes down). The danger of that is having plans B and C evaporate because the guys involved get moved elsewhere while you wait for plan A with the Sabres to come to fruition. Many of the deals that go down at the deadline (or just before) occur after hours/days/weeks of GMs playing a bunch of cat and mouse games with each other. It's risky business and why making a deal now rather than at the last minute is often safer and wiser.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:33 pm EST

Greening's Cap Hit is $2,650,000..... Salary $2mill, $2.75mill, $3.2mill.....http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=OTT.

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:32 pm EST

oops...that was for you Hospo...

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:32 pm EST

MF - I think th Kings wore us down more along the side and end boards, cycling, and going to the net, beating our forwards.....Don't get me wrong, I would love a strong physical 3rd pair D-man--I always call for one-- but it's not AVs game andI think i can be satified withGirardi,McD, Staal, and Klein doing the heavier lifting defensively (More than likely Klein will see alot more Top 4 ES and PK iice time n the POs during the close games)

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:30 pm EST

evets1980, STAFFORD (UFA after this season) Stafford looked like the best player on the Sabres last we met.. He's a Big boy who's good on sides of the play, Right Handed Shot (we need a few of them) - RW, me thinks he'd be a great depth signing for a playoff run, could see him being the guy who scores or sets up a goal at a key point in a game or series... I don'\t know how much he'd command on his next contract, but you never know, maybe he'd agree to a cap friendly contract to play on a winning team..

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:29 pm EST

mf: Because he never was that good. Worse he's overpaid. I cannot recall what he makes exactly, but I believe it's around $3,000,000 and for a few more years and really, if he cannot make Ottawa, where would he fit on NY? At best, 4th line and that contract is silly for a 4th liner.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:27 pm EST

MF - Thanks for the link...Hopefully somebody (RF4L?) has more of a first hand account of why he has slipped so far and is on waivers

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:25 pm EST

deter guys from camping out in our crease... I need a coffee..

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:24 pm EST

We have a long history of not being able to camp out in our crease and then moving them out of there.. I think that's an endorsement for a big strong candidate for the 1 possibly 2 acquisitions... I think that's what beat us in the SCF's...

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:20 pm EST

Colin Greening: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5216

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:15 pm EST

What's the thought on the cOLIN Greening guy that Ott put on Waivers? Big boy and I remeMber that he used to HIT ALOT and had some skill but seems to have toTALLY DISINTEGRATED STAT'S WISE..

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:13 pm EST

JCF/Hospo: Exactly. IMO, the Rangers right now don't have the team to beat the Bruins in a PO series. The Islanders are also a concern, but to a lesser extent. The argument that the Rangers are able to handle the bigger western teams isn't strong in that 1) it's based on this year's regular season and we all know how the intensity increases significantly in the POs and 2) the Rangers faced a single western team in the POs last year and the series went a measly 5 games. My fear isn't that this weakness isn't addressable, it's that AV doesn't share that fear and prefers a turn the other cheek team. *SIGH*

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:12 pm EST

MF - I'm with ya, like to cover as many bases as possible,

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:10 pm EST

Just forwards..I'm not too keen on adding a D-man.

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:08 pm EST

I looked at the teams that were out of it and other teams that might become sellers as we move forward and here's a list of players that might or might not be available and have some interest by the Rangers----------AZ - Korp, Moss, Doan, Vermette, Hanzal;....EDM - Gordon;....CAR - Staal, Nash, McClement;-----BUF - Stewart, Stafford;...OTT - Neil, Legwand;....TOR - Bozak?, Winnik, Santoreli;.......CBJ - Anisimov, Letestu;.......DAL - Fiddler ;........NJ - Jagr...:)......And Sather does like dealing with AZ and CBJ.....Anyway,Just one man's possibiilities and It's more than likely Sather will find something totally different. from other contending team....

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:07 pm EST

Richards clears.

Messier11


Tue Jan 27 2015 12:07 pm EST

Hospo, definitely don't want to leave it up to leave it up to hope or chance over who we face.. We must be prepared for all aspects of the game.. AV can't ignore the "rough & tumble" stuff because he may wish it out of the game.. That stuff exists whether he likes it or not, although I think it's obvious to all the day of the goon is being phased out and other changes may come, but for now, we've got to answer any suspected weaknesses..... Do the fans and the coaches perceive the same weaknesses?

mf


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:47 am EST

I know someone brought up this name before, but I wonder what it would take for the Rangers to grab DREW STAFFORD from Buffalo. Maybe a prospect and a pick?? Then they can go out and grab SANTORELLI from Toronto to shore up their center position. Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello, Krieder-Stepan-St. Louis, Hagelin-Santorelli-Stafford, Miller-Moore-Stempniak/Fast.

evets1980


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:41 am EST

JFC - Good last point..OTOH, they did stand up to just about any physicality thrown their way in the POs last year....even if i thought it was the size of the KIngs in the o-zone that wore them down eventually....On the 3rd hand, I didn't think they had the size/phyiscality to beat the Bruins last year and feel the same this year..Just hope we avoid them again in the POs!..A better strategy then hope would be adding some of our own..We'll see..

Hospo


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:31 am EST

And at least you should concede that talking about "physical" play that the Rangers withstand in the regular season has no comparison to what occurs in the playoffs...none whatsoever

JFC31


Tue Jan 27 2015 11:28 am EST

Wild -- I'm not really sure where you're going with this argument. On one hand, you I claim you want a guy like Stewart because he's got size and could help increase the Rangers ability to hit hard and play physical,without fighting or gooning it up. RF4L, if I'm reading it correctly, stated that he doesn't think the Rangers as currently constituted are built to withstand a physical team like the Bruins. So,where's the big disagreement? You want to increase the Rangers' physicality and so does RF4L

JFC31


Tue Jan 27 2015 10:51 am EST

RF4L: Oh Ok...winning regular against physical teams is a BS argument against "this team can't beat physical teams" OOOOOOOOOOOOOkkkkkkkkkk.No...its not BS, its just not in line with the narrative you subscribe to. Again, show me proof. Not just two games that were badly played overall, and use "the other team was physical" as the reason, but that toss aside games the Rangers outplayed in every aspect against physical teams because of whatever excuse you can come up with to make it sound good. The Rangers went through physical teams during the winning streak, they have 2 losses in what 14 games, and those losses came because the other team is physical...so what, the rest of the teams they played were not physical? LOL OK...sure....and last season, when their physicality was the issue, they made it to the Finals....good thing they didn't have to play a physical team...like the flyers or something.....and they were right in there, in all but one game against a team that was so overly physical the Rangers couldn't handle them. But wait...the games were all close....sounds overwhelming to me. The argument that the Rangers CANT handle physical teams is well...baseless.The idea that the Rangers are small is...well not all that true...they are not aggressively physical...but they don't shy away from contact, they take hits and survive, they take hits and make plays, they use the entire ice surface and don't fear the physicality of the other teams. You can actually see that in games....what you can't see is any proof that more physical teams stop the Rangers from winning...unless of course...you take 2 games out of the entire season to "prove" that.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:52 am EST

wild: I think your argument is BS.

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:52 am EST

On the possible trades, and for more "known" guys, Like Vermette, Hanzel and Staal, probably the biggest 3 centers who are talked about, and 2 of them more likely to move from Arizona. I would put Hanzel on the top of the list by a long long way. He is signed to a decent deal of 3.1 per cap hit for next year and the year after. He would than be able to be moved as a pending UFA after next season if Hayes forces his way into the lineup at center...OR Brass or Step are gone...but I doubt that really. Hanzel of course COULD be moved to the 4th line if Hayes forces his way into the lineup, and since he in on an entry level deal he costs less so it would offset the cost of a 3.1 mil 4th line C. Vermette will be a rental, and the cost for him will be lost since they will not offer him what other teams will, at probably 6-6.5 per long term. And Staal just cost a lot. If the canes would pick up a big chunk of his cap hit he would be number 2 on my list. But not even close to number 1. But if its not Hanzel it still needs to be a face-off guy who has some size and skill...if not, that just don't overpay for a depth guy. I know AV said he would be fine with Hayes at center...but he has to say that for a couple reasons...first, if he goes out and says they need a center the price will go up. Second. The kid is doing everything he has been asked to according to reports, he is working hard on the ice, and while it isn't showing up he is really pressing with the puck to make things happen....by saying "we need a better guy, he wont cut it" you would destroy his confidence. I mean, I am sure he knows he needs to be better, but publicly bashing him wont help him get there.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:36 am EST

let me qualify the last by saying this. I am the person who has called for a guy like Stewart since last season. And although he isn't what many seem the think he is, Hanzel would be an improvement in many ways over Hayes....so I am not saying the Rangers would not be helped by some size and the defiantly be helped IMHO by more aggressive physical play. Not fighting, not retaliation, that losses more games than it wins, but active hitting, and finishing checks big. Good clean hitting, don't want to be in the box.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:32 am EST

RF4L: I think that is BS. They went out west and beat, and in some ways easily beat, physical teams. But of course the excuse that they didn't play physical wipes that out....because it doesn't fit the narrative that people want...that the Rangers are small as a team, and can't handle physical play. Im still waiting to see the Rangers get physically dominated in a game they show up for. Those two games you are talking about, the Rangers barely showed up...and don't tell me it was from the physical play, because if that was the case they would have at lasted showed up until the physical play took its toll...but they didn't have a good first shift, and actually, in at least one of those games they got better as the game went on, just not good enough. Again, I think the narrative is BS, its the string that has been grabbed onto for YEARS, even when other teams say the Rangers are tough to play against, the fan narrative is the coach doesn't like physical play and the rangers get pushed around due to being small.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 27 2015 9:27 am EST

mf: Not quite that much...sending Hayes to the minors and trading Glass and Stemp would only clear about 1,625,000, since half the seasons in gone, and they were on the roster, that means half their cap already counts. ON the other hand it kinda works because, the players being traded for have half their cap gone. But the longer Sather waited the better, because that cap space "grows" up to the deadline for how much they can add. I would think that a 5 mil player could be added and still leave that little bit of room to cover callus for injuries, and they need that unless a guy goes on LTIR, and thats something you want to avoid, so you think about IR and there will be some of that I am sure. So they need a couple hundred grand in cap space for that.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:34 am EST

So how important are the next Ranger/Islander matches I wonder. I don't like how the Rangers lost their previous match to the Islanders and liked even less their follow-up game with the Bruins. We've all discussed on here how the Rangers don't seem to match up well with physical teams with an edge, which most definitely the Bruins are and to a lesser extent so are the Islanders. I sure don't want to see a Bruin/Ranger PO series - I honestly don't think the Rangers, as they are built right now, would win. I'm not sure, however, is that's the case with the Islanders. Will Sather attempt to address the lack of a physical edge his team suffers from by the deadline? Alas, I'm thinking nom, seeing as his coach doesn't appear to like players of the ilk. IMO, going into the POs with cup aspirations and keeping your fingers crossed someone else will eliminate the Bruins (and perhaps the Islanders) is risky business, if not foolish. Guess we'll see soon enough...

RF4L


Tue Jan 27 2015 8:07 am EST

I'm getting some optimism that they'll play tonight. Watching Fox News late last night because they had a correspondent reporting from the Mausoleum parking lot. There were a ton of plows working through the night. The players are all there in the immediate area. News 12 is saying that the travel ban has been lifted and the NYC subway will be running again shortly. Waiting to hear on the LIRR. PLEASE get this game in!! Haven't seen a REAL NHL game in a week! Hate the "All Star Game"!

jratelle19


Tue Jan 27 2015 2:00 am EST

The Bruins play a heavy, hard forecheck, physical, puck-pressure game against the Rangers, who have been susceptible to teams that take away time and space on the first pass, whether out of their own end or in the neutral zone on transition. Boston has done it and the Islanders have done it. The Rangers are focusing on the next game, not the first round. And even as first place has its benefits, the first-round matchup may not be among them.

stevielegs


Tue Jan 27 2015 1:00 am EST

Whadda we need with both of them? Obviously if the choice was adding nobody or Richards Id take him, but that's not the choice at all. As someone pointed out, more than a few teams selling, looks like best buyers market in several years to me. I want them to bulk this team up. And not just physically. Whatever they can add to improve, do it & pay the bill and take your shot - strong. No need to go rummaging for scraps, unless it as a guy they really like for some reason.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 11:58 pm EST

If we could land Mike Richards & Hanzal we'd be PHOO-KING Deadly...

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 11:53 pm EST

Cap Space: I vaguely recall that we had approx $2.62 million in Cap room at the Trade Deadline when DuClaw ($772,500) was still on the roster.. So, that adds up to $3,392,000.... Add to that my earlier proposal of trading Glass, Stempniak, and Hayes to Hartford of $3,250,000 ..... gives us a total of $6,642,000 ....... We can afford 2 players on that, especially if the other team/s eat salary & cap dollars....

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 11:33 pm EST

MF - That's the attitude! I still think Hayes by deadline time can be of help as C depth or even wing, but it's all about the team/Cup not the individual..we'll see what Sather and AV think over the next month..Personally, i'd strike for VERMETTE (or whoever else the Ranges are kean on instead) sooner rather than later..We;ll see,,

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:57 pm EST

I couldn't care less if Hayes was in Hartford to finish his rookie year with us while we go for The Cup...

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:55 pm EST

Because if he does not, we move Glass + $1,450,000, Stempniak + $900,000, send Hayes to Hartford + $900,000 = $3,250,000 ...... then add in our other Cap Space & we've got, "Room to move." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANfqJk2rdNo

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:50 pm EST

Would Hayes need to clear waivers before being sent to Hartford ? t/y

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:46 pm EST

Take a look at MIKE RICHARDS career stats hear... If we can get "Smell A" to eat some salary & take Tanner Glass, we'd still have "chips" for HANZAL..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3483

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:41 pm EST

retained salary trade is better for us. If it gets to UFA, the only way he comes here is if we over-pay

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:28 pm EST

JFC/MF agree with you both...More than likley, RICHARDS gets a reality check down in the AHL and comes back this season to help LA in their PO run

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:26 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/cuts-to-khl-salary-cap-could-mean-nhls-rival-league-is-a-rival-no-longer/

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:12 pm EST

It would be nice if we could watch Hayes play the wing a few games..

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 9:48 pm EST

If we could land Richards as a UFA because he doesnt report to minors and agrees to a buyout, I'd take him over Hayes & Miller just for the playoff/Stanley Cup experience alone. You can't placeva value on that....it is HUGE in my book...much more of a sure thing than either of the kids, especially Hayes.

JFC31


Mon Jan 26 2015 8:42 pm EST

Per #NYR, Chris Kreider did not skate today due to illness. He and Rick Nash (post All-Star Game rest) the two Rangers not on ice today.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 8:40 pm EST

NHL Player Safety ✔ @NHLPlayerSafety Philadelphia's Zac Rinaldo has been suspended for eight games for charging and boarding Pittsburgh's Kris Letang.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:50 pm EST

LB: http://nypost.com/2015/01/26/why-winning-division-is-last-thing-rangers-want/

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:41 pm EST

Rhet; t/y

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:39 pm EST

That should read the remaining $23 Mil of his deal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:37 pm EST

MF.... His cap hit will be $5.75 Mil. As an FYI, he has one of those Cap Recapture contracts. His isn't too bad though as he will most certainly play to the end of his current contract(it expires when he's only 34). If Richards refuses to report, he and the Kings can agree upon a mutual termination of his contract and he'd be an UFA. That would require him giving up the remaining $25 Mil on his deal, though I'm sure he could find a taker for at least that much.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:30 pm EST

Overall game hasn't dropped except for this half-over season. That could be anything. Contract really isn't bad at all if enough salary is retained. 5 years is long but he is only 34 at the end, LA carries all the recapture risk for him retiring early or getting injured. If enough salary is retained, he's very easily tradable should Hayes or Lindberg step it up next season or later.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:15 pm EST

Salary Cap question: Say LA traded Richards after the season.. His average Cap Hit is currently $5.75mill for LA.... After this season, he'd have 5 years remaining and due $22mill in salary... Would the receiving club incur a Cap Hit of $5.75mill "OR" $4.4mill ($22 mill divided by 5 = $4.4) ?? thank you...

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:12 pm EST

VIC - While I would take Mike Richards over HAYES and LINDBERG In a New York second for the PO drive and the POS, I don't want to touch him because of the contract and, yes, decreasing all around game

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:09 pm EST

Depending on how much LA would retain, Richards would fit in fine salary wise. If you look at his points production, whether over his career or just the recent few seasons, he would be a good add to our offense, great for our FOs and not out of place with his hits. A lot of the people we've debated for 3C cost between 3-5 million. If we could get Richards for under 4, he'd be a good get.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 7:06 pm EST

Hockey Buzz - Mike Richards signed through 2019 / 2020 ...... (button on right side to toggle between salary & cap hits) ... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=LA

mf


Mon Jan 26 2015 6:58 pm EST

MIKE RICHARDS is a greatly diminished player from the days when he was with the Flyers. The Rangers absolutely cannot afford to pay him that kind of money to be a 3rd or 4th line Center even if L.A. agreed to eat half of that salary. From a player perspective both LINDBERG and HAYES give you more today and will give you more in the remaining years of his contract. Further, RICHARDS does not fit at all with respect to the type of player that AV is looking for. I strongly doubt the Rangers have ANY interest in him at all, let alone considering that contract.

Vic


Mon Jan 26 2015 6:36 pm EST

Buy-out payments extend out twice as long as the original contract would have, but only pay the player a percentage of the amount still owed to him, based on age. For those under 26, the buy-out pays 1/3rd. If the Player is over 26, he gets 2/3rds of that salary.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 26 2015 6:33 pm EST

Rabid: Buyouts have been part of every season for over a decade. It's just amnesty buyouts that were the last two seasons. A regular buyout is at 2/3 of the contract total. The cap hit is spread out over double the years. Or at least that's how it has been for years. If they waive and send to the minors a portion comes off, this year 925,000 the rest remains.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 26 2015 6:29 pm EST

12 - 7 = 5. 2015 + 5 = 2020.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 5:25 pm EST

Tsn"...A member of Cup-winning teams with the Kings in both 2012 and last season, Richards is in the seventh year of a 12-year deal that comes with an annual cap hit of $5.75 million per season. He's being paid $7 million this season, with $6 million, $5.5 million, $4.5 million, $3 million and $3 million in each year."

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 5:10 pm EST

Dozens of sources on twitter say 2020.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 4:45 pm EST

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/LAK?year=2015

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 4:17 pm EST

Nhl numbers says he's signed thru 2017-18 ....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 4:16 pm EST

Thank you Mr Rhetoric for putting my mind at ease, if a little. Hopefully LeBrun or whoever called the Rangers to see. Nothing against Richards (that one lol), but I want to see them really do something with that spot, and try to get that 3rd line cranking. It makes this team very hard to contain. Any line with Dom Moore on it isnt going to score; not to mention its not their job. But right now, lines 1&2 & the PP are working, as is the D, PK< and goaltending. So if you're looking for non-functioning items on this team, that 3rd not contributing a lot, some of the D-men not chipping in offensively as they might (Girardi,Staal, Moore/Hunwick) and general toughness/banging/physicality/checking/skull-cracking. I missing anything? Oh yeah, the coach. Not crazy about him all the time. But he'll do.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 4:05 pm EST

Per Spotrac.com, Teams that may look at Richards include the Calgary Flames, Winnipeg Jets, and Arizona Coyotes. Pierre LeBrun says the Leafs will not go after Richards.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 4:03 pm EST

The NFL had reportedly zeroed in on a New England locker room attendant in their "Deflategate" investigation. Do they really think anyone's going to buy this? What a joke.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:58 pm EST

stevie- signed to 2020, but that makes him 34. If LA retains 2 mil (no guarantee, obv) thats a pretty effective, physical, offensive 3C for less than 4 mil per.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:58 pm EST

Forget the Phaneuf trade rumors, he'll be out for a while with an injured hand.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:57 pm EST

Wild IDK club doesnt have the option to fully buy out a player any time. If they pay you they can cut you, unless the NHLPA did some fancy dancin and got a change in there somehow. That's a fundamental right of the owners. They can cut you anytime, as long as they honor the contract. The summertime 2/3 buyout periods are done. That was for two years only, at specified times only as I remember it. Think Richards' deal might have been the last that tried to circumvent the cba, though he couldve signed after it, not really sure.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:53 pm EST

Hmm, Okposo out almost 2 months...Phaneuf out week-to week..So many things can change the trade landscape..

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:50 pm EST

nyr will be stranded in the swamp sewer until Wednesday.......not a smart move.....guess they can rebond at the hotel bar.......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:44 pm EST

Richards II's cap hit. 5.75 .....signed until 2018.....pass......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:30 pm EST

Okposo out 6-8 weeks "upper body"

PatrickDiv


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:19 pm EST

We have instituted a February 1st Festivus in our home to chase away the blizzard blues. After I win the Feats of Strength, the only thing I will ask for is Hanzal and Kassian by the trade deadline. Keep your Vermettes et al. Its A FESTIVUS FOR THE REST OF US!!!!!!

PatrickDiv


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:15 pm EST

Rabid: They can buy him out in the offseason. But he will still count against the cap...i think its still a portion of the total cap hit, but for double the years. That may have changed with the new CBA however....

Wildcard


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:13 pm EST

Richards a good two-way forward, hits, good in the dot, still scoring a decent clip. He'd make a good 3C. Hanzal will cost, probably a lot.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:11 pm EST

Kings trying to make cap room to address their D problems. If they move Richards, they look to be big in Yandle sweepstakes.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:08 pm EST

RF4L - Devin Shore...The Los Angeles Kings' second-round pick went to the Dallas Stars as the result of a trade on February 16, 2012, that sent Nicklas Grossmann to Philadelphia in exchange for Minnesota's third-round pick in 2013 and this pick. Philadelphia previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on June 23, 2011, that sent Mike Richards to Los Angeles in exchange for Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and this pick.

RF73


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:58 pm EST

Kings cant just buy him out at 2/3s, right? That was buyout period, the final one. They have to swallow it all, 6 years. Then hes FA. Someone dissuade me from thinking we're getting another slow Richards, plz. I want Hanzel; bigger meaner faster better. Not waiver wire castoffs for the Cup run.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:52 pm EST

And has Richards' game fallen off that badly? Or is he a victim of the depth the Kings have on the forward lines? Where would he slot in on the Rangers? 3rd line center?

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:51 pm EST

Well it;'s actually the whole salary they'd pay but perhaps he'd bring value to the AHL club ala what Wade Redden did for Hartford.

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:50 pm EST

Richards with a 5.75 million cap hit through 2019-2020, when he will be 34. Id consider trading for him, if LA would retain 2 million.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:50 pm EST

So why didn't the Kings use their 2nd CBA buyout on Richards? There certainly were rumours last summer that was their plan. What has changed between then and now? Has Richards play deteriorated even further? Did they feel there would be a market for him so why spend all that buyout money? I think he's got 5 years left on his deal and he plays that out in their system, that's 5 x $4,750,000 which equals $23,750,000 of money and cap space. DOH!

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:46 pm EST

That said, Brayden Schenn certainly hasn't developed like he was projected to. Wonder who the Flyers took with LA's pick.

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:45 pm EST

IMO no way should anyone lament the trade for Mike Richards - he contributed to both cup wins, probably moreso the first time, but that's irrelevant.

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:38 pm EST

Ranger47 - And I would disagree with you 100%,..:).. just like I would with anybody who said a certain trade during the Cup year was not needed and the Rangers would have won anyway..But, we do agree there's no way of tellin!

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:34 pm EST

RR:Like the discussions we've had here about whether the trades we made at the deadline in '94 were good or not, most LA fans will probably say the trade was great because they won 2 Cups with Richards. Personally, I think they would have won them anyway and Simmonds, Schenn and a #1 would have been worth more long-term. But there's no way of being sure, is there! :)

Ranger47


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:29 pm EST

Kings supposedly had a few deals for Richards but they fell through. Kings originally gave up Simmonds, Schenn + a No. 1 for him. But they won two Cups (think he was there for both) so are they stupid or not?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:27 pm EST

LA only saves $975K against the cap by sending Richards to Manchester. If he bails and retires early, they get hammered with cap recapture penalties.

Bob


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:26 pm EST

finally. something actually worth discussing. Richards and his salary hit probably won't get claimed, bc the fact that he is on waivers broadcasts to the league that he could be had for less. Interested GMs will call LA and ask how much they're willing to retain for them to take Richards off their hands. ALSO, if claimed on waivers, the team claiming is barred from trading that player before the end of the season. They will pay something to get him and retain the ability to flip at deadline. A similar sitch happened with Derek Roy recently. He cleared waivers, but then Edmonton orchestrated a trade for him with Arcobello. That way, they could still move Roy if he didn't click or if he did but wouldn't sign or they became sellers.

Messier11


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:00 pm EST

Sounds like all guys named Richards should have been bought out last year.

Bob


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:35 pm EST

My son suggested a skills competition whch I thought was interesting (especially since many of the stars play the point on the PP)....Shooting pucks "out of the zone" and seeing who can stop them from leaving the O/PP zone.

Ranger47


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:34 pm EST

Pretty funny thing I just read, The LA Kings had one forward under 6 feet, and they just waived him..They sure like them big out there..

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:20 pm EST

Getting him after he clears is definitely advantageous. Idk, Sather gets me nervous with things like this. Supposedly we looked at him last year & were scouting LA a few weeks ago.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:18 pm EST

Next 2-3 weeks should be interesting in finding out which teams will be sellers..and how many players might be avaialble......Int he West , probably only AZ and EDM. but, in the EAST, you could have OTT, TOR, PHILLY, NJ and CBJ joining CAR and BUFF

Hospo


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:12 pm EST

Talk is that Richards is AHL bound once he clears waivers.

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:11 pm EST

I find it hard to believe anyone will pick up Richards - you'd think, given that contract, a team would be better off negotiating a trade to get him. That way you could barter to have the Kings eat some of that salary.

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 1:04 pm EST

Last storm had no juice for 10 days, so ill wish everyone a safe, warm storm now, cause who knows..... if TOR or any team looking for a center claims Richards (hopefully its not us) it helps NYR, once less bidder.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:56 pm EST

Rangers getting recognition from NHL coaches - check this article out: http://www.tsn.ca/rangers-blues-headline-tsn-s-who-s-best-nhl-coaches-survey-1.191758

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:44 pm EST

Throwback stuff... http://thehockeywriters.com/50-years-ago-in-hockey-trade-rumour-tuesday/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:31 pm EST

Should've read a Richards for Phaneuf swap, It will also be interesting to see how Jeff Carter responds with his boy Mikey gone.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:27 pm EST

Rumor has it that the Leafs are chomping at the bit to claim Mike Richards. A Richards for Phaneuf never made any sense to me. I guess it didn't make any sense to the Kings either.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:21 pm EST

WILD--you would think they could come up with something like tennis and soccer use for their close calls.

Bob


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:18 pm EST

Mike Richards is on waivers.

Bob


Mon Jan 26 2015 12:15 pm EST

_Arc: Loved the fried rice humor. As for the All Star weekend.....I recorded and watched the Skills Competition. It was ok. It could be done better though. One thing they need to do in the Skills Competition is remove the goaltenders from it. They aren't really trying for most of it anyway and there is no need to put them in a situation where they would try their hardest as that would risk injury. The events I like include the target shooting, the hardest shot, the passing and the stick-handling. I would change some things about them but in general they are good events. The speed skating is pretty useless IMHO. It should include some aspect of carrying the puck for half of it and having to maneuver around obstacles for part of it. As for the All Star game itself, I haven't watched it since I was a kid and I don't plan to in the future. I'd really like to see them do away with the game and just have the skills competition. Break it over two days if you want. Have big name musical performances. Instead of this stupidity of having at least 1 representative for every team they should have the best players in each event from every team there. There should be no way that CROSBY, MALKIN, HANK, McDONAGH, BENN, PERRY, THORNTON, and countless other star players should be left out of a weekend celebrating the NHL. Just stupid IMHO.

Vic


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:51 am EST

wild they are also working with go cam, they should have more camera angles to figure it out. but not all will show conclusively, but if 1 does it should be enough. they seem to think they need more than 1.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:13 am EST

"working month e problem" should be "working on the problem"

Wildcard


Mon Jan 26 2015 10:12 am EST

stevie: I can say for certain that the NHL is working month e problem of KNOWING 100% if the puck is over the line. Even if its under a goalie or in his glove. I know this because there is a tech company, a small one, here in Colorado who is working month problem of making a puck that acts like a regular puck, and knows where it is on the ice. The problem. The tech not braking under the pounding of a 100+ mph slap shot into the boards.And being accurate within millimeters, not inches. They are one of many companies the NHL has allowed to work on some stuff. Apparently there are many things out there companies can try to solve and create, and if they do it, they will make a fortune. Its not just the NHL, its all sports at all levels that want new things to make things more exact while at the same time not slowing things down. SO really...they are trying to figure the big problems out....and this silly stuff from the AllStar game is nice for non-fans who tune in for stuff like this. I don't mind it, I enjoy a few things about the weekend, but most of it I don't really care for. The game is not much fun...but its fun for the players, they enjoy it, they say its for the fans, but as a fan I say they earn it for themselves,and everything else is for the fans, so ill give them the silly Allstar weekend and all the stuff the bores me as a fan.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 26 2015 9:58 am EST

wild they play with unimportant ideas to educate and entertain, and not the most important........., is a goal or not?......it happened in their farce called an all star game......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 26 2015 9:26 am EST

Stevie:I would bet 100% that if they set the goal line int he system, and set the puck in the system, they would feel certain they could decide if it was over the line or not. The issue is, it would be 100%, so the NHL doesn't like it. What they need is a puck with sensors along the outer edge, and sensors in the ice and in the posts and crossbar, this would be the BEST way to see if the puck was in or not.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 26 2015 9:10 am EST

That's 'yup'.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 9:10 am EST

RF, uup. And Winnick was concussed. Few perfect trades or pock-free players this time of year. The AZ guys are the pure sell-offs that are he as lthy & playing well. Even Staal has ?'s surrounding him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 26 2015 8:42 am EST

RR: Winnick is another strong bottom 6 forward, but he's not a center. Santorelli is (or can be). Lupul is a very good winger - top 6 - but is hurt too often and carries a hefty contract. The only way I'd consider taking him is if the Leafs eat 1/2 his contract, both money and cap hit. He falls over at practice and ends up missing 7 games due to a sprain wrist (literally).

RF4L


Mon Jan 26 2015 3:20 am EST

WTF, I haven't seen a game in ages and now they are postponing the next one??? A bit snow? Don't ppl have skis?

Ola


Mon Jan 26 2015 2:43 am EST

Mildly interesting I guess, not as much a big trade. But among the guys the Leafs have on the block are Winnick who many including me thought they should sign. They also have Lupul whose got talent to be a Justin Williams in the POs. And theyve got Santorelli. Now AV said on his MSG show hes okay with Hayes in POs. Id expect him to say nothing less about both a young player & at this time of year. Rangers arent going to sound desperate for a center even if they want one. But LeBrun said theyre looking for a versatile forward too, in addition to Dregers pimping ( and Lebrun didnt name anyone specific & could just be echoing Dreger. Idk. ) So... itd just be different if they brought in a few modest wingers & maybe one can play center & win some draws. Id still bet on one of 3-4 'name' guys and a bigger deal, but it depends what guys bring to the table. And you dont find that out until after theyre here; for better or worse.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 11:02 pm EST

TUE JAN 27 RANGERS(away) ISLANDERS(home) ... THU JAN 29 CANADIENS(away) RANGERS(home) ... SAT JAN 31 HURRICANES(away) RANGERS(home)

mf


Sun Jan 25 2015 10:03 pm EST

Get in line.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 9:48 pm EST

Rabid, next year they should alter the shooting accuracy competition by combining it with the fastest shot competition. The object is to hit Pierre Mcguire's face, who will be tied up in the net with an apple in his mouth! Now THAT I would pay to see.

NYStranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 9:06 pm EST

Stranger I think we're all impatient. Im already pissed theyll look to cancel Tuesday cause we're getting some snow, which is a total joke nowadays. Theyre already closing schools. Gimme a break. I had one snow-related day off of school my entire life! Now its automatic (pretty sure localities have figured ways to save a few $ in such cases. So the kids are dumber. So what? lol. Yes, Kessel is funky looking but the little bugger scores. Idk what his deal is, but hopefully he doesnt land here when they trade him. And ive wanted a pure righty sniper since Pierre LaRouche. Enjoyed your post and even your brush with vulgarity, which Im all for (within moderation of course). The AS games? They gotta do something mid-season, no easy answers. They tried changing the format, captains picking sides, but theres not much to try. Thankfully nobody wants to get hurt so theres no Rose-Fosse shit, but the league wants to make money and can and does. I find it far less annoying than the Olympics, which really bugs me (and doesnt acheive anything re; growing the game). But irs a business, cant forget that.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 8:26 pm EST

And what is up with Kessel? He has turned into a fat hobbit.

NYStranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 8:24 pm EST

This was the most contrived, awful, unwatchable, ALL STAR (sort of) weekend I have seen yet. Even the players had a hard time keeping a good face during the god awful 'interviews'. Such amazing questions fielded by that douche bald idiot like, 'Jonathan, is there anything you would like to say to the Columbus fans?' Like, what is he going to say? You are all a bunch of fair weather jerkoffs? It is time these leagues just face it and scrap the all star games. They are a joke. The total lack of effort, the glaring lack of top end skill during the 'skills competition'. And no point ripping the 'breakaway challenge' again. That POS gimmick is so pathetic it needs not going over again. Man, start the effin second half already!

NYStranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 7:39 pm EST

They can measure pass distances but not if its a goal wafj

stevielegs


Sun Jan 25 2015 7:26 pm EST

Nash two ... They count for season right? Lol ... Why have a goalie ?

stevielegs


Sun Jan 25 2015 7:01 pm EST

This Is what the All Star game has come to???? Haven't watched one for years and turned to it by chance today and it's friggin UNWATCHABLE. I've seen beer league games better than this. It's a disgrace to the game and the league to put out this glorified warp skate. Wow

_Arc


Sun Jan 25 2015 6:49 pm EST

Rangers Report @rangersreport · 2h 2 hours ago Ahead of the storm, Rangers going out to Long Island tomorrow and will practice there at 4.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 25 2015 6:21 pm EST

probably the Tuesday game gets snowed out.....more rest.....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 25 2015 5:42 pm EST

Maybe it was 2008....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 5:41 pm EST

On the AS game, last one I warched was I think 2004. There was this very large freight train who scored 4 goals & looked like one of the best players I ever saw. A non-checking game or not, no one could skate with him. Rick something or other. I remember thinking this is exactly the kind of guy we always need & never get, except for Messier. Wonder what became of him...

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 5:33 pm EST

RF, Ive seen JVR in far fewer games but came to same conclusion; vanishing act. Besides, on LW we line up Nash-Kreider-Hags-Miller (or Glass). Hard to improve upon that & doubt they try, though if Miller's a goner itd create at least a semi-vacancy. That lead me to think they add a C/Depth wing. We'll see soon. I doubt the big move waits till deadline day.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 5:32 pm EST

They should both have 1 guy just hang at the blue line ala baby mario to get breakaways . All stars should continue the joke...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 25 2015 5:27 pm EST

I taped the draft and the skills what a disgrace of unwatchable supposed humor. The nhl is a joke.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 25 2015 4:47 pm EST

mf: The biggest knock on JVR IMO (and I've seen him in well over 100 Leaf games so this isn't an observation made from reading press clippings) is that he disappears for shifts, periods and games. I swear some games I have to listen for his name to get mentioned and/or look for his jersey on the ice it can be so bad. He escapes, for whatever reason, criticism for that - I can only assume it's because there are other more obvious targets that draw all the negative comments/thoughts/etc. That said, when he's on, he's without a doubt a pseudo power winger deserving of top line minutes (I say pseudo because he doesn't hit much - his presence isn't felt in the corners; it's in front of the net). I'd take him on NY and hope/assume that AV would coach the disappearing act right out of him. If he played with the consistency he should, 40+ goals would be the result I'm sure.

RF4L


Sun Jan 25 2015 4:41 pm EST

Sidney Crosby has been in the league for a decade, won scoring titles, MVP titles, a cup and remains the best player on the planet, as much as that might bug some of us. Guess how many all-star games he's played in? One! Yep, one. If that doesn't show you how meaningless the event is, I don't what would.

RF4L


Sun Jan 25 2015 4:18 pm EST

Bob: I believe that it was you who recently pined for guys like JVR & Simmonds.. Did a little reading up on each guy, and man how could you not want either or both these guys on your roster? .... Read that JVR aint the greatest on the defensive side of the puck, and the TML would want a boat load for him which would disturb too much of what we currently are, so I put that pipe-dream to sleep.. Which brings me to the slimbags known as the Cryers.. So I ask; is Pronger on LTIR? If we were to accept Pronger as part of a trade package, could we bury his contract on the LTIR List and not incur a Cap Hit ??? (Rhet, where are you? :-)) ... Even though Philly is owned by a rich son of a gun, Ed Snider, he may be willing to listen to unloading Prongers contract, then again I'm not sure if an insurance company is paying it so he may not care... So.. that would bring us to say Vinny Lecav & his salary, which I really want none of the player nor his salary, BUT if we could identify a team needing Vet presence up the middle like Edmonton which may have a piece or two that Philly would want (Yakopov, or Ference, Petry) (Philly is down to 4 defensemen) , and we had a piece that Philly would accept (I dont ever want to see McIlrath in a Philly uniform) "then" maybe we could pry SIMMONDS from them as they would be unloading just around 9 million a year in salary... Simmonds & Vermette would make us DEEP.... and then there was reality. :-(

mf


Sun Jan 25 2015 4:02 pm EST

Just what a team needs is for their "All-Star" to get hurt in this game ahead of the playoff drive.. yeah right.. ;-)

mf


Sun Jan 25 2015 4:00 pm EST

Agreed. I would like to see them all take a week off in the middle of the season......ALL of them. The "stars" begging out of the all star game says it all. It benefits no one except the home city and sponsors.

Bob


Sun Jan 25 2015 3:55 pm EST

It is a drag but players need rest. Lull before storm of back to backs, 3-in4s, deadline deals & playoffs non-stop.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 25 2015 3:48 pm EST

NHL all star weekend is a big waste of time. There was little interesting about the dopey skills competition last night and the actual game is even worse. On a Sunday with nothing interesting going on, it is STILL on NBCSN instead of NBC. Really, this is like a mid-season break. I went to one of these all star weekends once, in Colorado. I was surprised how disappointing it was. Much rather go to a real NHL game that means something.

Bob


Sun Jan 25 2015 3:34 pm EST

MF - Just about the worst"sports" weekend for me all year..No hockey, no baseball, No college football...Don't give a crap about the rest of the sports....But, ISLES on Tuesday night!!!!

Hospo


Sun Jan 25 2015 3:08 pm EST

Quieter than the "dog days" of summer around here... lot's of the same names circulating on the rumor-mill.... I find Buffalo's Drew Stafford (UFA after this season) interesting depending upon which hand Slather & The Org decide to play. Stafford looked like the best player on the Sabres last we met.. He's a Big boy who's good on sides of the play, Right Handed Shot (we need a few of them) - RW, me thinks he'd be a great depth signing for a playoff run, could see him being the guy who scores or sets up a goal at a key point in a game or series... I don'\t know how much he'd command on his next contract, but you never know, maybe he'd agree to a cap friendly contract to play on a winning team.. http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015/01/25/rumors-i-garrioch-roundup-leafs-and-blackhawks/

mf


Sun Jan 25 2015 8:16 am EST

Not sure if this has already been posted....Hockey 3D Projection Mapping..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YI6jCMmrr4

RF73


Sun Jan 25 2015 6:56 am EST

Idk what to think about that line MF. Usually having one of top goal scorers in the league makes for a good line, and Im not complaining. Nash has been making it look easy. I have no worries on Zuc & Brassard. Theyll be there for us. Nash btw said yesterday he was only just below his weight from last year. Id thought he dropped a good amount of weight, but he said he just did a lot of sprint training.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 24 2015 8:18 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/max-domi-does-the-unthinkable-for-breakaway-tally/

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 7:30 pm EST

No MSG!

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 7:05 pm EST

I think if the guys eat pork fried rice on tue nights we have a slightly higher chance of winning the cup. Maybe we can deal duke for a pint. Hell, since it's so hard to count them above 2, lets throw Buche in there for an even Quart. Wtf?

_Arc


Sat Jan 24 2015 4:56 pm EST

Let's count prospects for fun!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 24 2015 3:10 pm EST

http://prosportsdaily.com/articles/upset-over-escrow-nhl-players-consider-move-to-limit-salary-caps-climb-338797.html

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 1:57 pm EST

RR: Just looked at ZUCC's stats, he ranks 157th in shots taken. He isn't shooting enough, he had a rough start this season, suspect he was injured.... BTW, Rick Nash has 15 assists, Brassard is currently ranked 198th in shots taken.... Granted, these guys have not been together as a line all that long, but I'm hoping to hear them compared to the Blues line whatever their names are...... Brassard & Zucc have to get into an open lane when Nash has to dish it off... I guess we have to be patient....

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 1:43 pm EST

Let's see.....these geniuses screw Slovakia and Switzerland out of their spots in the World Cup with stupid all-star teams? Then they book Chicago in another outdoor game. Glad Minnesota got one, but it should have been against Dallas.....the former Minnesota. The NHL messes everything up.

Bob


Sat Jan 24 2015 1:34 pm EST

and love Zuc but even I cant see him reach the heights MSL did in his prime. St Louis was bullet-fast and finished, had some big years.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 24 2015 1:32 pm EST

Vermette's been linked to the Rangers for some time, through Bob McKenzie & Dreger & Garrioch & others. Dont know why the surprise.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:40 pm EST

From Jan. 22: How Rick Nash got his scoring groove back for the NY Rangers .... http://prosportsdaily.com/articles/how-rick-nash-got-his-scoring-groove-back-for-the-ny-rangers--338826.html

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:25 pm EST

Translated from French, for you toads: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.rumeursdetransactions.com/&prev=search

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:18 pm EST

;-)

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:17 pm EST

-- I agree.........I agree

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:16 pm EST

Do the Rangers "really" want Antoine Vermette? ... Mark my words, the first time he screws up, he'll be referred to as, "Vomit!"

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:13 pm EST

Do the Rangers "really" want Antoine Vermette? ... Mark my words, the first time he screws up, he'll be referred to as, "Vomit!"

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:01 pm EST

stevie -- I agree.........I agree

JFC31


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:00 pm EST

must be an echo

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:55 am EST

must be an echo

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:54 am EST

if sather can keep this team together this year and next, and add 1 piece , their chances will be very good.....both years.....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:54 am EST

if sather can keep this team together this year and next, and add 1 piece , their chances will be very good.....both years.....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:48 am EST

Ah..OK..the first EXTERNAL VVERMETTE-Ranger rumor rears its' head! :)....If you ask me, the team that really wants VERMETTE should get it done soon and set the market rather then waiting and letting it rise....

Hospo


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:46 am EST

JFC: Agree on Zucc: It doesn't take much imagination to think he could be the next incarnation of MSL.. I believethat MSL will be re-upped with a cap friendly deal (read: fits into the equation of what the Rangers have to work with) next season, which will afford MZA plenty of mentoring for him to excel in this league along the lines of Martin St.Louis......

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:39 am EST

McKenzie on Yandle and Vermette: “As far as Yandle goes, I don’t think he’s moving before the deadline. I think Vermette is.” “There’s 5 or 6 teams, including the Habs who would be in on the Vermette.” “Vermette is a guy that so many contending teams are interested in that the price of pick & prospect may escalate.” McKenzie added that Blackhawks, Rangers and Bruins as teams interested in Vermette..... http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015/01/24/rumors-i-habs-sabres-avs-wings-coyotes-oilers-and-lightning/

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 11:35 am EST

Hey, Wallsters you're not giving yourselves or TheWall enough credit when you say there have been no rumors concerning Vermette coming to the Rangers. The absolutely have been.....right here on The Wall. Don't discount the idea that these writers cruise in here and lurk in order to get material for some of their columns. MF -- very prescient article about Zuccarello. A pegged the odds at the Rangers trading him at 1000-1. We'll see. Amazing to see that Corsi stat indicating that Zucc is in the top 1/3 of the top 60 in the entire NHL. But, I dont need Corsi to clearly see that Zucc has ELITE skills combined with defensive responsibility, great vision, great passing ability. Add to that a fearless attitude, feistiness and hitting and he's exactlynthe kind of guy you need as part of the core of this team. If I remember correctly I once gave a contract idea of $4.5/4.5/4.25/4.25/4.0. That's very fair and I wouldn't be surprised if he just got a straight $4.5 for 5 years. He'd be worth every penny IMO

JFC31


Sat Jan 24 2015 9:42 am EST

Lindberg looking to be promoted? He had 2 goals and an assist in the Pack's win last night. McI with a goal, a +2 and a winning fight after he was challenged when he nailed some dude at center ice. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueFX_mKwPDU

RF4L


Sat Jan 24 2015 9:30 am EST

John Rosasco @JRNYR Oscar Lindberg with 2 goals and an assist +3, McIlrath a goal +2 and Skapski with 25 saves in 4-3 Hartford win. #NYR

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 9:22 am EST

, "It's a great day for baseball. Let's play two!"

stevielegs


Sat Jan 24 2015 2:51 am EST

Id take Stall just playing solid, playing well in the biggest games. We'd have a borderline stupid amount of game-breakers. And MALONE!! ;)

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 24 2015 1:02 am EST

Eric Staal? he's banged up plus playing on a losing team isn't helping either, if he gets his shit together on a good team he's a first line C , its a 35-40 goal guy !!!!!

ilya


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:05 am EST

What I've read about O'Reilly the last few days is that the AV's need a top 4 defenseman, and if they have to, they'll wit until July 1st to trade him.. Also in print is that any team he's traded to wants some certainty that he will re-up for a contract extension.. One guy stated that ROR could fetch $8mill in 2016 because he will be atop the 2016 FA class..

mf


Sat Jan 24 2015 12:03 am EST

And thats the thing you never hear amid all the bellyaching about the one good prospect we'll probably give up in this deal. Any one of those four guys makes us instantly better - a pretty exciting thought - over Kevin Hayes, no offense to him. Thats why youre taking one (Sather wont let it be much more before he issues a "Kristo, take it or leave it") good prospect and saying sayonara. You get a terrific player - all those guys can be impact players if theyre on - eho walks right into your lineup for the POs. Nice knowin ya, JT or Duke. Thats the way it goes.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:49 pm EST

From dribs & drabs floating around out there, if Im betting on who we DO get, it go Staal, Vermette, OReilly and Hanzal. My who we SHOULD get would be almost exact opposite, though Id have no qualms about any.... and I dont care about the deal, itll be something semi-reasonable no matter. Names like Santorelli are a fallback option imo, and good for pre-deadline misdirection. The team needs more than Santorelli.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:47 pm EST

http://network.yardbarker.com/nhl/article_external/why_keeping_mats_zuccarello_is_a_must_for_the_new_york_rangers/18141356

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:20 pm EST

RHET - Dreger is the "one guy" I was talking about with Santoreli..I have no prob if that's who the Rangers decide to target..I'd rather go for VERMETTE, but that;s my choice..And I'll even move a "player" like Fast or Miller for him, even without a guaranteed signing...Sekera doesn't interest me one iota..No D-man does until we take care of Center..

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:35 pm EST

HOSPO... Dreger has been talking about Santorelli a lot (he also has a pretty good source:). I think the attraction to Santorelli is that the Rangers could basically keep what they already have to add him. With Vermette, we'd have to move someone. I have no problem moving someone for the right guy, but he'd need to be re-signed as part of the trade, if he is that right guy(JMO). Also, the rumors about the Rangers having interest in Andrej Sekera have gone cold. Maybe we've moved on from him?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:14 pm EST

guess ricky doesn't know sather tried to get elias and chara.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:14 pm EST

guess ricky doesn't know sather tried to get elias and chara.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:01 pm EST

RHET- I haven't seen any written rumors connecting Vermette to the Rangers either but my bet is it has at least been investigated...Either way, obviosuly just a case of people/ranger fans finally just using common sense connecting a clear soloution to a glaring need......As for SANTORELI, the only "talk" i've seen is by one guy the past few ddays.......Things should starting getting real funny in a few weeks

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:43 pm EST

Will ""Antoine & The Creamette's"" be playing for us on Broadway? ... http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/teams/new-york-rangers/

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:42 pm EST

Rick Nash on drafting Patrik Elias: “Ranger fans won’t be happy.”

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:25 pm EST

MF...What is Fedyck talking about? I haven/'t seen one credible rumor linking the Rangers to Vermette. How does it get classified as a "Hot Topic?" All the noise seems to be them being hot after Santorelli. There is also a non-center rumor that the Rangers have checked in on the asking price for Chris Stewart.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:24 pm EST

MF - Thanks. But nit much new there except the outlandish (being nice) suggestion of including MZA in the trade...Ditto with Hags...for a UFA

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:11 pm EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2015/01/23/new-york-rangers-must-upgrade-at-center-now/

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 8:50 pm EST

Stamkos eyes long-term extension with Lightning ......... http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=36226&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 4:55 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Zucc: "It was not one of our best games. There were some tired bodies out there...A good team wins on a bad day. That’s what we did today."

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 4:52 pm EST

Rangers Report &#10004; @rangersreport Thanks to @RothmanHockey for finding this very cool video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&v=F1jpCBPiWS4&x-yt-ts=1421914688 …

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 4:37 pm EST

get somebody for 3rd or 4th line center who can win face-offs at least close to 1/2 the time.....or more......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 3:16 pm EST

GET VERMETTE!

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 2:03 pm EST

MF, cant see why not.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 1:13 pm EST

Lets say we went for E.Staal.. I believe that we could make the $$$ work for THIS YEAR year, but it would put the NYR in a straight-jacket for next year if Carolina did NOT pick up 1/2 his salary...... Here's the question; lets say we trade for E.Staal and Tanner Glass or anyone for that matter is part of what's going the other way going the way. Could we agree to pay 50% of Tanner Glass' or any player going their way salary for the season after next as part of the compensation for agreeing to take STAAL off their hands? Obviously its an attempt to pay it forward....

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:26 pm EST

RF4L - For the PO run and and POs, I don't worry too much about other teams getting tougher guys that really can't skate/play all that much....it's the ones that can play and play tough/dirty (I.e., for the Bruins--Lucic, McQuaid, Chara, Maarchand, others already) that I worry about...

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:17 pm EST

RR: In reality, the Bruins getting Kassian doesn't make much sense. They are already big and strong enough - if anything, they need more skill, especially on the top 6.

RF4L


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:13 pm EST

No. I shouldnt have posted. Its been in the wind for a while and prob happens. But until its real its not. Kassian has all of two goals. So does Neil. Ill take the latter.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:10 pm EST

Nothing on twitter from the usual suspects....

RF4L


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:08 pm EST

All-Star weekend and league frowns on distracting announcements. Not exactly earth shattering stuff. We'll see..

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:04 pm EST

Geesh...Bruins get bigger and nastier.

RF4L


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:04 pm EST

That is definitely NOT official on Kassian. I just caught a blast of emails but will wait for league word.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:03 pm EST

STEVIE - Except in the 3rd period of games where we are tied or up by one goal when HAYESEY and his linemates will just sit....Another reason to add to the 10 others to make a trade for a VERMETTE or another C that plays both ways ---it gives the coach a line he can play in ALL conditions, allows him to keep rolling four lines, doesn't wear out Dom Moore as the only FO center, and generally lets him coach differently and more consistently..

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:00 pm EST

Kassian to Bruins. Unofficially.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:56 am EST

DOUBLEN - Right on..I mentioned MCCLEMENT along with RILEY NASH and VERNE FIDLER the other day for people that just want to go for a FO specialist...along with BOYD GORDON

Hospo


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:46 am EST

DOUBLEN: I was wondering if the Rangers were interested in him. I know they have been scouting for Sekara(sp) but that wasn't a sure thing that he is being moved. Even if he was, I was wondering if they would expand the trade to get a C like that.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:22 am EST

My obscure face off guy is Jay McClement on Carolina..will be a UFA after this season; currently has a $1 million cap hit and is 55.4% on face-offs.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:09 am EST

larry it looks like sather and veenyo will go with gabby purple hayes at center until they get vet help in a trade......for the playoffs.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:05 am EST

hard to afford staal unless they eat up to half, vermette is probably just a rental, wont be easy to resign him. ...sather has to figure it out........that's why he gets paid the big bucks...$5mil a year......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 11:00 am EST

Brooks saying maybe we should give Lindberg a look at center. Hi Larry!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:56 am EST

ha... I picked Stajan too as my 'just some obscure guy' center lol . It just has the right ring!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:53 am EST

All good Wild but they do have to trade him because ownership decided before the season if they werent competitive theyd rip it down.the process started when they fired Ruthorford as GM. Ron Francis said he has very blunt conversations before the season with Staal & Ward. Big espn aryticle summed it up the other night. Staal Francis spoke on record. Nothing too revealing but theres not much to say. They dumped a Dman a few weeks ago for nothing. Francis said minus EN goals theyd lost 21 1-goal games. Tough situation for them & good for us.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:46 am EST

RinkRat -- I think you're right about the faceoffs....and I think AV thinks the same thing. His system depends on puck possession and winning faceoffs is how you get possession of the puck. You also may very well be right....we might end up with a guy out of nowhere who maybe isn't a "sexy" pickup but who is simply a solid FO guy who is defensively responsible and can chip in some goals. However, since we already have a guy like that in Dom Moore, I'd like to think we'd get a guy who is somewhat of an upgrade in the offensive zone.

JFC31


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:42 am EST

Rabid: AND if Staal decides to change his mind and allow a trade. Now IMHO he NAY do that to come to NY and play for a team that is really poised to have a chance at the cup for the next few seasons. I mean with 4 of the top 6 D set for many years, and the top 5 (Boyle) for another season. Hank making the net presence set for a long time....and a lot of young players who will be added in with skill...not to mention the guys like Stepan, and Kreider, Hags, Zucc(for at least this year) MSL(again for at least this year) and Miller...it gives a guy a good chance at getting to the cup...so the Rangers may be a team who could convince him to let the Canes make a trade. But salary dump or not, he will not be cheap. It will cost a second rounder for this draft maybe another pick next years draft, and a couple prospects and probably a roster player, Moore may be one, and they may even ask for Zucc (partly due to him being a UFA at season end) or one of the younger roster guys like Miller. Again, it wont be cheap. They don't HAVE to move him and he isn't demanding a trade.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:38 am EST

I am one of those guy who is driven bonkers by lost faceoffs, so the NYR's struggles in this area over the past few years has really been a sore point for me. So yeah, I do want another FO center to go along with Dom Moore, but I am not sold on Vermette. Most likely there is going to be a mini bidding war on this guy and whoever gets him, will overpay. I'm sure they are inquiring, as they should, but I am sure they are looking at others who are "off the radar"....Matt Stajan perhaps?? (Just throwing a name out there...not sure on his cap hit and such). I for one, will feel a lot better when we can throw two guys out on the ice who are strong in the circle for those big defensive zone FO's come PO time. There is my earth shattering 2 cents.

RinkRat


Fri Jan 23 2015 10:37 am EST

Maloney reportedly wants young NHLer & a prospect. Vermette wont be hard to land. Neither imo would Staal. Those are two teams plainly in salary dump situations. Just depends on which players they can agree on, and how hot bidding gets if other teams are involved.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:29 am EST

FWIW, I liked the KK acquisition from the outset (even tho I was disappointed to see the MDZ experiment end) and didn't agree at all with those who felt he was a bottom pairing d-man. In Nashvilled, behind Weber and for most of his career Suter, he flew under the radar. Anytime I watched the Preds I saw what we've seen since he came to NY (minus the goals) - a steady d-man who's not afraid to be physical and gets the puck up smoothly and calmly.

RF4L


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:26 am EST

Nothing earth shattering or overtly revealing, but a decent article on McI nonetheless IMO: http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/mcilrath-rounding-out-his-game

RF4L


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:15 am EST

the question is what is Maloney looking for. he's following rebuild orders. is it picks, prospects, and/or nhl players ?

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 9:13 am EST

the question is what is Maloney

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 8:55 am EST

Vic -- we're actually in agrement regarding Vermette....I said basically the same things about him a couple of weeks ago that you just posted....who the hell is Anton Vermette suddenly? Yotes are in fire-sale mode and stand to get nothing for him....they ARE going to trade him in a month. The only leverage they would have is if a bidding war started. A bidding war for Anton Vermette? Even if there were one, the bidding chips would not be very much. You don't give up a bluechipper for that or even a first rounder. At most, aybe a 2nd rounder and a lower level prospect....someone in Hartford. Another factor that colors trades (and may bvery well be the case for the Rangers) is when you have a glut of players at one position. Seems lie the Rangers have a good crop of wings coming along so maybe you splurge a little and give up a kid like Miller....but again, not for a rental. Gotta be someone who can help now and at least another season....someone like Hanzal,

JFC31


Fri Jan 23 2015 8:50 am EST

Wildcard: An excellent example of your post regarding smart smaller trades is the Klein swap. Clearly, it did not appear to be as significant as it turned out at first glance.

gene_carr


Fri Jan 23 2015 2:00 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/how-to-handicap-the-rangers-islanders-and-rest-of-the-east/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:49 am EST

There goes Dreger pimping Santorelli again!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:47 am EST

Stevie, youre my man. You get it, consistently. I dont understand some of the other stuff you post. I try lol. ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:44 am EST

4th, 50th, it doesnt matter what anyone says. April. That what matters. We played till June. Wonderful, but ... ill say ; this streak was 1st time all year they played like they can. Tiny bit more upside but that was close to all cylinders and we wiped ghe league out, save those 2 games. So a tiny bit more help.. . ?.... We'll see...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:43 am EST

The future is april may and June 2015 . That's what the gm's vision and priority should be. The competitive rebuild is over and done. With this bs cap crap they have to go for it now..... Until the next cba pushes for a luxury tax with welfare for the teams in palookaville ....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:38 am EST

Didnt realize Isles 2nd in NHL 3.15 goals per. Gotta put these guys down Tues. .

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:37 am EST

RR: Actually, right now I think that is pretty fair. The Rangers have been spanked by the Islanders and Lightning all year. The Bruins dominated the game last week. I think it is a fair assessment to put the Rangers 4th in the east right now.

Vic


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:34 am EST

MF: Trading for a #1 Center would definitely make this team much better down the middle and would increase its chances of winning a Cup significantly.

Vic


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:29 am EST

Just watched Craig Button rank us 4th in the east. Dumb canuck. I usually like him but stopped watching there. Didnt we just beat everybody? Welk, I saw he had Boston 3rd, thats when I turned away.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:28 am EST

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2015/01/22/the-sky-is-the-limit-for-new-york-rangers-chris-kreider/

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:25 am EST

http://myinforms.com/en-us/a/9953552-timing-is-perfect-for-new-york-rangers-to-sign-derek-stepan-to-mega-extension/

mf


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:19 am EST

They. Are. Going. To be good. A long time. There.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:02 am EST

When you argue about needing a 3rd purely offensive center Vic Im with you in saying its one way to go. When you make it about the future you lose me. The future is now. Ryan McDonagh is 24, surrounded by Step and Zuc & Kreider and great players. Theyee giung to be goid a long time almost no matter what. Somebody said today well need a replacement for Marc Staal. Its a Cup year. For heavens sake with the future already. Idk why u worry. Sathers no getting ripped off.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 23 2015 12:01 am EST

Vic: Sounds like we need to trade for a 1st/2nd line center to push Brassard to the 3rd line....

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:55 pm EST

Putting all of those things together is WHY you don't go ALL IN and trade important players in your team's future for a guy like VERMETTE. The risk/reward ratio is off the charts bad. Now, if you can get VERMETTE for MALONE and 7th round draft pick I'M IN!!! ;-)

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:38 pm EST

And that is where the issue of probabilities comes in. As a GM you have to do your best to assemble a team that can compete for a Cup. You have to do your best to improve it if possible, and within reason. But, you also have to have the fundamental understanding that no matter what you do the odds are that your team is not going to win the Cup NO MATTER WHAT TEAM YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Even the Kings last year. The odds going into the playoffs were stacked against them winning the Cup. There is no move that you can make, including adding GRETZKY in his prime, that would stack the odds in your favor over the rest of the league combined. If you don't understand these things that is when you are most likely to make a bad trade. People become so fixated on the perceived problem and solution that they can't see the forest for the trees. VERMETTE would make the Rangers better. But in the context of your chances of a Cup win adding any 3rd line Center isn't going to matter much when you already have a team that is considered a contender. The Rangers aren't going to win a Cup because of what VERMETTE does in the playoffs. They will win a Cup (or won't) because of what STEPAN, BRASSARD, NASH, KREIDER, MZA, MSL, McDONAGH, GIRARDI , STAAL, KLEIN, BOYLE and HANK do (or don't do). You might counter that VERMETTE might be the guy that scores a bunch of big goals in the playoffs. True, but so could LINDBERG. So could HAYES for that matter. Every year some guy that nobody expected has a big playoffs and scores some important goals. VERMETTE could come here and go pointless in the playoffs.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:31 pm EST

Actually Vic I reread your conclusion. I cant disagree, said all along theyd be fine with Lindy. Depends which way they wanna go. But for what they really is def. A legit way to look at it. Its why I want Handzel No. 1

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:28 pm EST

Hospo lol lol...Malone time! ;) Vic, Vic!! Maloney eould get Duke and say thank you. Maybe some scraps, but that is all. And cmon, im the biggest Lindberg booster but a 7-time 20 goal man (basically)? Thats a difference.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:22 pm EST

First, lets talk about this specific scenario where folks are proposing bringing in VERMETTE. We have no way of knowing what Arizona wants or would actually get in return but for the sake of argument lets suppose that the Rangers would have to send DUKE and a #1 draft pick. Some here on the Wall believe that the 3rd line Center spot is such a problem that the Rangers won't win a Cup this year unless VERMETTE (or someone like him) is brought in. They would say "Hell yeah I'd send DUKE and a #1 to get VERMETTE!". Here is the way that I would evaluate that trade. First and foremost VERMETTE is a rental. It is extremely unlikely that the Rangers could afford to pay him half of what he will be seeking on July 1. So the Rangers would be giving up a kid who most saw as 1st round talent in DUKE. A kid who was on Canada's #1 line at the WJC. The would also be giving up another #1 pick. Those are potentially two players that could be cornerstones of a franchise for 10 plus years. That is a huge amount to give up from a talent and asset perspective. It also represents two players where at least one of them is expected to be on the Rangers roster next year at a low salary. What would the Rangers be getting in return? They would be getting a 3rd line Center on a bad team. A guy who has never been a difference maker in his career and guy who up until this trade deadline has been an afterthought as a player. It is funny how his stock has gone up simply because he is available. If you would have asked me prior to the season "who are the top 50 centers in the league?" it isn't just that I wouldn't have included VERMETTE on the list. His name would never have popped into my head for consideration. And now because there is a perceived need at the 3rd line Center spot you are willing to trade away a potential top line winger and a #1 draft pick? If we really were talking about trading for CROSBY, GETZLAF, STAMKOS or TAVARAS I would be all ears. I would be willing to move DUKE, BUECH, etc, and draft picks. I would be willing to because those guys are difference makers. Those guys immediately upgrade your team not by a tiny bit, but by a lot. They immediately become your best forward. They are #1 Centers that are going to play 20 to 25 minutes a night in big playoff games in the most important situations. They are guys who will make your PP more potent. They aren't players who are going to play 15 minutes a night in a limited role. I've seen VERMETTE play. I've seen LINDBERG play. From the standpoint of what the Rangers really need in a 3rd line center there isn't much difference. Certainly not enough to consider trading away players and draft picks that can help this team compete for Cups for years.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:21 pm EST

MF - And I and others thought I was on drugs in the pre-season for saying NASH was going to have a great year and score over 35..He's gonna blow by that in 10-15 games! OTOH, I also had KID K with huge 25+ goal year...win some lose some

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:18 pm EST

RABID - I hear ya. I still think VERMETTE fits best with what the Rangers need, possible cost and how AV will play the game best...But if it takes a bottom forward like MILLER or QUICKIE as part of the package, the rangers will indeed need another 4th line forward..Ditto for higher priced players like Staal

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:15 pm EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/where-rick-nashs-rangers-goals-are-coming-from/

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:10 pm EST

Starting to think center & depth (tough guy)wing. Reason being if Miller is outgoing we might need a wing just like that for 3rd line. My guess is Sather wants Staal if he can get him. Logic doesnt always prevail, but a Hart trophy candidate ( maybe frontrunner), thered a guy whose line you dont usually disrupt. So nash-brass-zuc stays. Ok,who you giving Staal to play with? Kreider? MSL? That leaves Step Hagelin & Fast/Stemp, wastin your best playmaker. Maybe you pry Chris Neal and keep Nash line and go Kreider-Step-Neal, then Staal w/Hagelin& MSL? Do many possibilities but thats a crazy top 9. Idk if Neal can keepbup, not having a great year. Also wonder if his particular type of b.s. isnt a hinderance, much as we need bite. Just musing. If its Vermette who played eith Nash who knows..

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:00 pm EST

RR and JFC: I think you missed my points actually. I really don't care what a player does for another team after we trade him. That wasn't my point. Also, I'm not saying you make trades based on probabilities. Let me try a couple of posts to see if I can clear it up.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:48 pm EST

Ilya: my take is that AV should look past the 3rd for a minute and construct the 4th line.. use the leftovers to fill the 3rd line, analyze the 3rd inside & out, then go out and trade for the piece/s to make the 3rd a force...

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:37 pm EST

The bottom six need to be addressed not on wing but in center Moore does little for me not the same player , Hayes is a rookie looks lost most of the time Fast ,JT, Step , Hags i believe if we get someone like Vermette bottom six or atleast the third line will be dangerous !!!

ilya


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:33 pm EST

The New Avery Rule.....Jan 20 2015... SEAN AVERY... CONTRIBUTOR... In 2000, I walked into the Detroit Red Wings training camp, undrafted, and — to my huge relief– skated out with a professional contract for three years worth $1.275 million, which included a $125,000 signing bonus. I was 20 years old and I was rich. Actually, I was anything but rich. Now don’t get me wrong, it was a lot of money, but the NHL is not a charity. And that’s why I’ve come up with a new Avery Rule. I wasn’t a fan of the old “Avery Rule,” which the NHL invented after I screened New Jersey goalie Martin Brodeur in the playoffs in 2008 by facing him directly (it wasn’t against the rules and I thought it was quite inspired, but the league disagreed). In any case, in order to explain my new Avery Rule, here’s a little of my own rather scary financial history. I learned that my big $125k bonus shrinks awfully fast (the Feds take their taste first, so that saw $50,000 of the signing bonus go pffft! into the pockets of Uncle Sam). My agent took another 3 percent for getting me the bonus. So that left me with $71,250. The wildly irresponsible thing to do would have been to go out and buy a GMC Denali — everyone was buying those stud-sized, fully loaded SUVs that would set a guy back $70,000 (and leave me without enough money to insure the damn thing). No, I was not that reckless guy. Instead, I bought a Ford Bronco for $28,000. Did I need a new Ford Bronco that wiped out more than a third of my remaining bonus? No, I did not. I should have bought a used Ford Bronco for half that price, but what did I know? There was no one around to tell me what to do, and I probably wouldn’t have listened anyway. After getting my bonus and my Bronco, I played two years in the minors before I made it to the NHL with Detroit. My first NHL paycheck was for $14,500. And what did I do with that? I bought a Jeep Cherokee. Actually, I leased it, because I couldn’t afford to buy a Jeep Cherokee. I might not be playing in the NHL the following week, but I knew that I couldn’t park my Bronco next to the rides of the 12 future Hall of Famers on my team. I know now that they would have liked it because it would have said humility, and hard work, and honesty, and all those things that are good in the world. But all I knew was that I was now an NHL hockey player, and Things Were Expected. On my first road trip to Chicago I went with my teammates to this men’s fashion joint called Zegna, which I thought was pronounced Zeg-na (it’s Zeh-nyah — Italian). I found a pair of pants I wanted to buy, and the nice saleslady told me I owed $750.00. I thought she meant $75.00, but no, she did not, and this was not the kind of place where you bargained. I was too choked to ask the guys if we could go to Banana Republic so I could buy what I could afford, and more importantly, what I wanted. So I paid more than 5 percent of my first NHL paycheck on a pair of pants. You could say I was starting to learn my lesson, but you would be too kind. Shocking but true: In the first six years of my 12-season NHL career, I must have wasted $1 million on “stuff,” which is a very sobering thought. Imagine if I had that now as a do-over? I was lucky, though, because my best friend from junior hockey, Adam Campbell, became a money manager, and he has steered me through the flames. I’ve invested in bars and restaurants (I like to drink and eat), I own a really nice one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan and a modest house in the Hamptons (it’s not impossible — more on that later), I have a small fine art collection and a great book collection. And I like art and books and writing and writers — my pro writer buddy, Michael McKinley, helped me pen this story. So, financially, I’m OK, but that happened because of friendship, not anything the NHL did for me by way of financial planning. The New Avery Rule is based on two simple words: per diem. It’s the spending money the team gives you, and it’s about as free as money gets for a professional athlete. When I was in the NHL, we received $96 a day in per diem money during training camp (that’s 30 days, or $2,880) and for each day we were away for road games. The NHL schedule has 41 road games per team, and if you play out west, the travel schedule is brutal, so you could easily rack up 100 per diem days a season, plus training camp. That’s $12,480. All tax-free. Consider some misleading facts: The average NHL career is five-and-a-half years long and the average NHL salary is $2.4 million. So the average guy should have a total of $13.2 million at the end of his playing days. That’s more than enough to live happily ever after. In truth, it isn’t. Taxes take about half (if you take no evasive tax action), agent and management fees take 25 percent, and the NHL snatches another 20 percent to put in escrow, which the owners balance out at the end of the season. Sometimes, they use the players’ cash to help small-market teams. Sometimes we’d get a refund. But for The New Avery Rule purposes, consider it gone. So really, that $13.2 million becomes $660,000 — which is still a lot of money, but you have to make that last for the next 50 or 60 years because if you have a five-and-a-half year NHL career, you’ve retired at age 25 or 26. However, any player, no matter the salary, can think of per diem money as a savings plan to ensure he has a chunk of untaxed money at the end of his career. Now, you might assume the per diem is supposed to be used by the player to live while on the road to buy meals, go out to the movies, and so on. That’s its express purpose. But it’s also the very loophole The New Avery Rule skates through. When I was with the New York Rangers — who are the cream of the crop in looking after their guys — here’s how it went. If we had a road game, we were chauffeured to the airport in a town car, or, if we were hitting the road after a home game, we were driven to the airport on a luxurious bus with plush leather seats and snacks and drinks (same as in the town car). The team paid. At the airport, we boarded a chartered jet. No ticket needed. The flight attendants knew us, so they’d have my ice tea with two sugars waiting when I settled into a roomy leather seat. If I wanted champagne, I got champagne. I also got fed three fine meals with multiple courses if the trip was long enough. They also provided various snacks and sandwiches we could throw in our bags for later. All on the house. Once we arrived in the road trip city, we were driven to our five-star hotel. In the morning, we’d have a sumptuous breakfast of pancakes, waffles, omelet's, Eggs Benedict, bacon and sausage, cereals and fruit, whatever we liked. Again, all paid for. After the morning skate, we’d return to the hotel for lunch — a massive buffet with prime rib, salmon and pastas, an awesome salad bar, and a superb a la carte menu to order from as well. Then we’d nap. After the game, the training staff ordered us pizza and pasta as we got ready to fly to the next city. And then we ate and drank again on the plane, though some killjoy coaches would ban booze if the team lost. That’s motivation for quite a few guys! So what about that $96 per diem? Never had to touch it. If a player just banked that per diem, after a 10-year NHL career, he’d have $124,800. Sure, you can go buy that Denali, or you can put 20 percent down on a starter home in the Hamptons (yes, those Hamptons). There are bargains for $400k. You’d have to pay $10k in closing costs and you’d still have $34,800 to spruce the place up, then you could re-sell it for $100k more than you paid for it. And buy the next one. My point is that there are very simple ways to be smart about the money that comes your way as a pro athlete. The New Avery Rule is easy, and the payoff is about the only one you’ll get as a player that they don’t try to take from you. Call it the Money Game. And it’s one you can win. The original version of this article stated that agents take 25 percent of total salary. A clarification has been made to reflect that agent and management fees take up 25 percent.

RF73


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:10 pm EST

Interesting to see the change of management in Columbus isn't making a whole of difference. In fact, the best 2 players there - Ryan Johnasen and Sergi Bobrovsky - were added to the organization by the previous GM. In other words, JD is yet to have any impact, other than being very good at holding press conferences and waxing eloquent about how wonderful it is to live in Columbus.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 8:44 pm EST

Vic -- the question is, how does a GENERAL MANAGER evaluate those things and I'll bet probabilities are a very small part, if any at all. I gave examples of how I thought evaluations are done and why basing trades on probabilities and what amount of percentage points a trade increases a team's chances makes little sense as a rule. Yes, a team that has been highly successful like the Kings might be loathe to trade a bevy of young players or their best blue chip prospect for a player to help a Cup run because they don't want to risk the trajectory of,their organization....but they have that luxury because they have won TWO Cups and their fans and ownership would be less insistent on winning because they are not as "hungry" as a team that hasn't won in since 1965. Your saying that the way you judge a trade is by probabilities and that it's not worth making a blockbuster trade because it may not work and your team could be ruined for years to come. That's just not the way it works IMO...it depends on the team, the team's history/situation, the trade itself and what is being given up. You fail to mention what happens if you trade a blue chip prospect and he ends up being a bust for the other team or he gets hurt and his career is over....or if you keep him because you're afraid of what happens if he becomes a superstar but he doesn't....what about those probabilities? GMs make trades based on their hockey knowledge, what their scouting staff says, what the coach wants, what the owner wants and the team's situation past and present. If they think a guy has the ability to put them over the top, they don't think of percentage point increases in probability....they think of the guy as the missing piece of the puzzle and HOPE they are right, knowing there are no guarantees.

JFC31


Thu Jan 22 2015 7:12 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/with-bobrovsky-hurt-time-for-columbus-to-trade-for-the-future/ ...... Don't know if this was posted here today, I have some catching up to do..... CBJ, with BOBROVSKY injured, this writer suggests that th BJ's start planning for the future and make some trades.. Mentions Anisimov, Hartnell (as a long shot) LETESTU a (RHS) 3rd line center for us, good on F/O's, good Hockey IQ, could be had on the cheap, size & stature just like Stepan & Bassard so nothing unique being brought in that category... CBJ leads the league in man/games lost, mangameslost.com’s Jan. 20 update, ........

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:56 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-ryan-oreillys-time-in-colorado-almost-up/

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:54 pm EST

If they get somebody I doubt veenyo would breakup his 2 top lines.... It's the bottom 2 that need to be settled and stuck with. Maybe staal would drop brassard or stepan otherwise any other center would get the 3 rd line job....they can still get high priced vets if they are ufas or want them here next year. The cap hit by the deadline is usually manageable ..:: next year would be a bigger problem..:

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:44 pm EST

Right now Im thinking how much does it matter to add Staal or Vermette only tobplay with Hagelin & Stempniak? Assuming its JT that goes who has offensive ability to make those guys worthwhile? Translation is lines would need reshuffling. And if Nash goes to RW MSL is back on 3rd like last year. Vic thats where I think you get hung up, on what a guy does after you trade him. It doesnt matter, hes gone. Your worried about won/lost the horse trade. All that really matters is what your new guy brings, especially a playoff mercenary. Thats how you judge such a deal, on the short term, because you intentionally made a short term deal.your not contesting the long term usually. Definitely not with a UFA.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:17 pm EST

JFC: You didn't really answer my question but that is ok. I was trying to get you to explain how you would evaluate a trade. Not just in terms of the individuals involved, but in terms of how much what you plan to add really helps your team in the short and long run vs how much what you are trading away really hurts your team in the short and long run. Also, you have to consider all of the players you have under contract and how you will manage your salary structure and Cap for this year and years to come. You were correct in saying that this isn't the old days anymore. Years ago teams could bring in high dollar vets for playoff runs because there was no Cap. You can't do that anymore. No team is strong in every position. Every team has weaknesses. That is what you get in a Cap world. You can't freak out because your team has weaknesses. No team is perfect and no team can be. Every team has to PLAN to have young players in the lineup because they are on Cap friendly contracts.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:13 pm EST

Jen @NHLhistorygirl On this date in 1962, Greg Gilbert was born in Mississauga, ON. Only player to win Cup with both NY teams #Isles #NYR #Blackhawks #STLBlues

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:12 pm EST

VIC - Good stuff. No wonder we have different perspectives and views!...We'll see what happens....Either way, it should be an interesting ride the next few months..More than likely Sather surprises us one way or the other!

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:06 pm EST

Sorry, I was out earlier. HOSPO: I just wanted to respond to your comments about the SF Giants. As a Texas Rangers fan I've lived the other side of the story. I watched the Rangers build a very strong team the right way. They sold veteran players at the top of their value off for monster returns that yielded a big part of the core of what would be the team that took them to the World Series two years in the row. The first year they made some deals at the deadline to bring in some veteran players to help with their playoff run. If they weren't the best team in baseball they were damn close and lost to a hot Giants team whose pitching was on fire in the post season (The hot goalie scenario). The second year they traded away more prospects in the off season and at the deadline to improve the team even more. They were by far the best team in the league and lost to the Cardinals after being 1 strike away from winning the World Series twice in game 6. They went for it. They were all in. And now they are paying the price for it. They hurt the franchise by dealing away too many prospects. They are a mediocre team now and they will be stuck that way most likely for a long time. Hopefully they can find a way to compete for a World Series again but had they kept the team they had together they could have had a nice 5 plus year run.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:01 pm EST

rf73 those 2 are more than a mouthful, and probably like to bite and get bitten......these guys are crazy not to wear a full cage.....probably will be mandatory in the 22nd century......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 5:55 pm EST

ilya veenyo plays stepan and brassard on one unit together....if they het a good faceoff guy , it will be a big help in all situations.....possession is 9/10 of hockey too......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 5:52 pm EST

Hospo I think he's a rare poster, unless he has a few ids......but if he comes here for info and ideas....he's a member ......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 5:38 pm EST

Here's the thing Vermette is an excellent faceoff man which insrease our chances to win because he can win draws in all zones however will he be on the first and second PP usnits to win the draw ? i mean we suck in that area and if he wont be part of our PP whats the point ?

ilya


Thu Jan 22 2015 5:16 pm EST

Ranger47 - A little shakey with the puck in the recent game I saw him...and nothing stood out either way defensively..Not better than Hunwick or Moore, for sure

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 4:57 pm EST

Allen looked good in the few NHL games I saw. Has he digressed so much in the AHL that we no longer talk about him as a 6th D prospect?

Ranger47


Thu Jan 22 2015 4:30 pm EST

Blood, Sweat and Teeth: Wild Nights with an NHL Dentist....http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2332368-blood-sweat-and-teeth-wild-nights-with-nhl-dentists

RF73


Thu Jan 22 2015 4:12 pm EST

Wild: All the stuff I've read on Skeji (which admittedly isn't tons) is saying he's almost for sure going to need to start in the AHL. The question is more how long a tenure down there he'll need. I think it's risky even penciling him in the top 6 next fall (risky for the Rangers because it could mean they don't have an alternate plan). Graduating this year will be Tambellini (if he's signed), Duclair, probably Skeji, perhaps Buch (we'll see if he actually comes over), Ryan Graves, perhaps Troy Donnay and perhaps Boo Nieves. Can even 2 of them make the opening night roster? That's big stretch IMO. Will McI make it? The only other Pack player that might have a chance is Lindbergh it seems.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 3:21 pm EST

Realistically Miller is probably the most likely, due in part to his age and experience. Both Buch and Duke are very young, and Miller while he hasn't been in the NHL as much as some would have liked, he has been playing pro hockey and seems to have figured "it" out, at last in part. So for him to come in next year, press for ice time and to get some PP time, could gets 20g 30a for sure. He has the skills to do so...its always been his head that gets in the way.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 3:13 pm EST

Hospo: Buchnevich could be that guy. I know he has issues defensively and some other issues related to his size and maturity(what 20 year old doesn't?), and that could keep him out of the NHL for a season give or take, but he is playing against men over there, and not out of place.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 3:12 pm EST

@JRNYR Buchnevich has the 4th most points by a player 20 or younger in #khl history. Only Kuznetsov (twice) and Tarasenko have tallied more. #NYR

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:36 pm EST

Rabid: I look at Skjei as a guy who may step in for Hunwick/Moore if he out preforms the other young guys. Or that maybe he will end up or one of the other Leftie D ends up on the right side after next year when Boyle will probably be done with the Rangers if not the NHL. There are possibly 2 openings within the next 2 years. Add Kleine to the list of guys who if he gets out played he may get moved. Not this year, probably not next, but maybe next year, and maybe for sure after next season. Skjei is a top prospect, and D is a VERY important position...so I would bet he is more of a "do not touch" type player than the forwards....I mean, if you are going to rank who you keep vs who you let go, he is probably higher than the forwards based on his position...and the Goalies are probably higher still, based on the position they play.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:35 pm EST

WILD - Watching the Blackhawks recently, it would be nice if next year one of Buch, Duc, ( or even MIller) does what 22 year old Brandon Saad has done...Went from nothing to a 40-50 point scorer...(three years in a row)

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:29 pm EST

According to the ESPN insider top 50 prospects list, Duclair is #12 and Buchnevich is #15. There is one person who says Buchnevich is too high not he list, but that means still on the list. There is a list of top 50 prospects done by anyone of any professionalism (Like ESPN even though they don't do much NHL stuff anymore) that has 2 prospects in the top 15, you shouldn't move those kids. he fact that the Rangers have 2 forwards that may be that good...wow....nice 3rd round.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:27 pm EST

STEVIE - Now, wheher he's an honorary member of participating member is the question! :)

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:23 pm EST

Staal?! We're worrying about replacing a guy who signed a 6-yr contract yesterday? !!! Omg. Listen, what I thinks happened is the dark years were so dark it scared all of us emotionally. There was literally nothing left to hope for but prospects it was so bleak. But some havent stopped counting lol. We have a terrific SCF of a team. Enjoy it. We can trade a few kids. Theyre going to. And I wasnt advocating dealing all 4, just sayin they coyld with little to no harm. That said, people should believe & say wha t they want. Who the hell am I to say anyone shouldnt believe otherwise?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:16 pm EST

Rabid: Trading all those guys away and you WOULD miss them if they develop....and even if they don't fully reach their potential they may still be able to step in and help. Also, its not just trade price, you need to look at cap price as well. As I said, and HOSPO said, if Sather is smart he can get a player who costs less across the board that will have a positive impact, maybe even a bigger impact than a more expensive player (trade and/or cap) You don't want a scrub just to get a guy, but if you do your homework, and have good scouts working for you, and make smart deals for good players who can help, you can get over that cup hump and retain all or at least most of your top prospects and picks.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:12 pm EST

moof all it proves lb is a member of the clueless jackass club.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:11 pm EST

RR: Won't miss any of them now is correct. Missing them in the future? Yes, because for sustained competitiveness you need a steady flow of young NHL capable talent (ala Chicago for probably the answer) due to the fact that the cap means you have minimal dollars to cover at least 1/3 and sometimes up to 1/2 your lineup. Paying dredges like Stempniak and Hunwick is acceptable when there is only 2 of them - having up to 5 forwards like Stempniak and up to 3 defensemen like Hunwick means you'll be lucky to squeak into the POs no matter how good the rest of the team is. You certainly won't be icing a cup contender with 5 to 8 players of that ilk.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:05 pm EST

no one would ever miss Skjei? Staal will have to retire at some point

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:03 pm EST

Rabid-Will this 4 together bring back Evander Kane and Zach Bogosian or Tobias Enstrom?

Bob


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:59 pm EST

More in their price range? Rangers have plenty of chips to play people. They could move Jt Duke Skjei and MciLrath in separate deals or the same deal and no one would ever miss them. Thats how deep we are. For Christs sake its not about prospects already.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:58 pm EST

Just read LB's article... It's nice to read content that's covered here on the Wall out in a well known venue.... It confirms that the conversations here are on the Wall are on the money..

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:47 pm EST

WILD - I'm not to agreeing or disagreeing but there's often a fine line between "looking off the radar" and "getting what you paid for (garbage ala Freddy sjoostrom and Christian Backman)".OTOH, you don't want the best player you want the player that fits in best!..All comes down to Sather and his staff making the proper evaluations and the best trade/decisions..It

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:20 pm EST

Rabid: We can't re-sign him. Thats the problem. He will cost MORE than MSL so you can't just say "let MSL walk". MSL being gone doesn't free up 6-6.5 per for 6 years. He also wont re-sign someplace that will have him as the 3rd line center. Also, a trade for him would be more like JT Miller, R. Bourque, one of Nejezchleb or Tambellini along with a 2nd or maybe even a 1st rounder. There are already rumors that 5 or 6 teams want this guy, you really think that all those GMs will be like "we will give you a young unproven roster player, and a 3rd/4th line guy who has only played in the AHL" uh-huh...OK. There will be a limited number of centers on the market, at least top 2 or very good 3rd line centers. Things will change and adjust before the deadline of course....but that COULD drive the price UP. If a team that is playoff bound loses a number 2 C, and they have a real shot at the cup, they will give up a LOT more than they would have before that. Or more centers could hit the trade market, maybe Staal agrees to a trade...or another team falls in the standings and decides to rebuild. But right now, Sather should look into Vermette of course in case none else decides to bid (highly unlikely) but for the most part, he should be off the radar, Sather should be looking into players that are more in their price range trade wise.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:19 pm EST

Vic -- you don't build a Cup winner with science and probability....you build it with common sense and knowledge of the game. No one expects to have a Cup winner on a regular basis...this isn't the old days any more. But, people would like a team that usually has a good chance of making the playoffs and provides good, entertaining hockey and players you can root for. When you get close to the point of the season we're at now, you evaluate your needs and you make trades based on those needs and then you hope for the best. I understand what your saying about risk aversion and "at what cost" etc but that's an instinctive/common sense call by a GM that will vary from year to year. If you have a team that hasn't won a Cup EVER after the fans suffering long and hard, you don't judge whetehr to make a trade that you believe could get you a Cup based on probability or statistical analysis. The factors whether to make a trade or not and what to sacrifice in a trade are not set in stone....there's no instruction manual that says you do A if B and C, etc. You do it instinctively based on the situation of the organizations, based on the OWNER and what HE wants and based on the premis that winning the Cup is very difficult and when you are very close, you owe it to your fans to go for it because you never knbow when you might get that close again. of course, there are limits to what a GM can/should give up....that's pretty obvious too but a team like the Kings, which right now is as close to a dynasty as we're going to see in the NHL any more, might be more averse to giving up a certain bounty or type of player because heyu, we've won the Cup several times recently so we've got to take care of the future so we don't go down hill. Other teams don't have that luxury and they might feel they need to go for a Cup when they are at the strongest they've been in recent memory. What if they are strong but they know they have alot of guys who are up for new contracts and might not be there after that year? The GM is supposed to say, hey the probability isn't that much greater if we make a trade so why bother? Probability and statisticalanalysis has some place but that's not the way I think you analyze whether to make a trade when you're trying to win a Cup.

JFC31


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:16 pm EST

what would subtracting Miller (his hits, playmaking, new chemistry with Hags, one of our better FO takers) do to that statistic

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:04 pm EST

Lol. IM not altogether comfortable giving up JT for a rental! Hehe. I strongly suspect wed resign Vermette. But if thats not enough Maloney can trade him elsewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:03 pm EST

If adding Vermette increases our odds to from 10% to 11%,,, thats an 10% increase in our odds to win. Pretty substantial in my world.

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:02 pm EST

Skrudland and Keane, anyone?

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:01 pm EST

I may be in the minority but the only two I want are Hanzal and Kassian. I fear we may only be as lucky to wind up with hansel and Gretel given our coaches disdain for anything physical

PatrickDiv


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:59 pm EST

RF4L - I was kidding about Boo! And I have Skej with Buch and Duc as a player I wouldn't want to trade in almost all cases this season

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:56 pm EST

Hospo: Boo doesn't have much value I think. He's regressed since his rookie college year. Skeji they might be interested in, however.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:53 pm EST

Vermette will not be cheap.We will be bidding against maybe a half dozen teams.

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:50 pm EST

Mess I dont think thats any kind of gotcha, but whats the point? Is Maloney supposed to sell to the lowest bidder? Hospo, it'll be JT gotta think. AVs just got a thing for this kid, idk. It's been going on since last year and though he's made strides it's been a bumpy ride. I started to feel for the kid, but this is also serious business. If we can get better, hey, JT & a Bourque gets you Vermette and away we go! We'd better beat the Isles Tuesday, that's all I know. They're starting to get that look, gotta putt'em in their place.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:46 pm EST

Its already been reported that Maloney is sending off Coyotes "to the highest bidder" (not a gotcha post)

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:44 pm EST

RABID - Thanks..OK...NHL player is either Fast or Miller..The prospect outside the top 3-4 deosn't really matter to me....maybe they can send my ex-favorite BOO!!

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:43 pm EST

VIC -" If the deal for VERMETEE was DUKE, BEUCH, HAYES and MILLER going the other way would you be in favor of it?"..You know the answer, not the reason..The reason is not becasue it screws the future but becasue I can probably make a better deal and get a better bang for chip trade/player that helps me this year...NOTHING is in a vacuum...Know your team, your farm system, your weaknesses and always strive to improve it especially for the near term with, of course, consideration of the future..It's pretty much common sense

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:42 pm EST

Darren Dreger said that the price he has heard on Vermette is a prospect and a roster player. (NHL.com)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:36 pm EST

JFC: The acquisition of GETZLAF and PERRY would ABSOLUTELY make a statistical difference in terms of the probability of the Rangers winning a Cup this year. It would take their chances from the about %10 or so to probably over %20. That means it would double their chances. The addition of VERMETTE wouldn't have much of an impact at all. I don't know for certain but I would expect that it would maybe add a half a percent at most. It would make the Rangers better, no doubt. But the addition is inconsequential from a statistical point of view because a 3rd line Center like VERMETTE is never going to move the needle from a statistical probability. I would be all for bringing him in, though, if the deal made sense. If the deal for VERMETEE was DUKE, BEUCH, HAYES and MILLER going the other way would you be in favor of it? I already know the answer to that question. But let me ask you why you wouldn't be. Is it because that is "too much" going the other way? What do you base that on? How are you making that value proposition?

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:34 pm EST

A steady stream of maturing (from amateur and/or the minors) young players into your lineup is a HUGE key to sustained success (one can define 'success' as one sees fit, of course), which is something Sather must be cognizant of or indeed, we'll return to the Rangers circa late 90s/early 00s. That said, there's something to be said for that if 1) you win the cup and 2) you subsequently bottom out and land top end talent via the draft for a couple of years. Of course, this being New York where most of the fanbase apparently lacks brains and foresight, one cannot initiate a full rebuild. Or so I keep being told. I totally dispute that and find it insulting but that's beside the point. In other words, trade all your assets and bulk up and (hopefully) win the cup. Then rebuild! I could live with that!

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:31 pm EST

Vic I have no idea what the heck you just asked me. But no, I dont understand women, since you mentioned. Sometimes not at all!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:30 pm EST

WILD _ exactly..IN most eyes, the Ranges need to improve in a few areas...It doesn't have to be Stars or 1st-2nd liners....just smart evaluation (of targets AND trade chips) and getting the best bang for the buck/chip for a player that helps complete the team for a PO run...

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:29 pm EST

Wild, if you're going to improve over Hayes - rather than just picking up a Santorelli for insurance - you do it the best you can. I'm not sure what you mean by biggest name; that'd be Staal, who's about 4th on my list of guys Id like to see brought in. I also just finished saying Vermette is likely cheaper due to UFA. He might also be a better fit chemistry-wise, he's played with Nash before and there's not much acclimation time. But a lot of this depends on what Sather has in front of him, what are the actual options. You have to be in the room to know. But unless something unexpected happens, they're trading a prospect, and a good one - at minimum. Id get used to that idea.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:27 pm EST

I mean if you think getting Getzlaf and Perry wouldn't make a satistical difference in winning the Cup, then the acquisition of lesser players is even more pointless, so why bother, right?

JFC31


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:26 pm EST

RF4L: LOL! I'm guessing that was a joke and you did catch the "Forget the Cap" line in my post. RR: Did you just say (in the same sentence no less) something to the effect of "I understand women but I just don't get why my wife gets mad at me when she asks me where I want to go for dinner and I tell her I don't care"......

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:20 pm EST

Vic -- so then what's the point of making a trade at this point?

JFC31


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:19 pm EST

Rabid: Sure, but improvement doesn't mean going after the biggest name at the deadline for a given positions. They can improve over Hayes with a much lower cost, and without giving up a top prospect. THAT is what most don't want them doing, going for the big name, the "in thing" and giving up the future to do it. There are PLENTY of good 3rd line centers that could be had, even from teams who may not even be on the radar for making a move like that due to a kid they want to move up, or redundancy or they know a guy will not come back to their team next season....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:19 pm EST

VIC _ I do value your opinions and like reading them, well when not part of a DESPONORMOUS post! (and like the one I'm goingto write!)..... We just feel differently.....I'm just gonna make one more post on it to show how I feel........I posted the other day thatt about 80% of the last 10 Stanley Cup Champs made a significant move or two before the deadline to improve....OTOH, other teams alo did every year and there were NO CUPS FOR THEM! So, there is no guarantee trades will work for the ultimate prize, but it could give you the extra ammunition and talents that you need to win it all...........I'm gonna give a Case example from another sport to show how I think it should be done......the SF GIANTS of the last 5 years...Every year, their GM puts together a pretty good team going into the season....They are never the favorites...They Never steamroll people..They have an average farm system..They have passionate fans...but every summer the GM looks at the PO contending team he has put together, their inadequcies and decides what the team needs to make the POs and try and win it all......In 2010, Sabean knew they need bullpen help (lopez, Ramires) and a bench bat (Burrel/Ross), they used 4 prospects to get them and WON the WS.....In 2011, they were contending, but with zero power, the GM traded Zack Wheeler to the METS for CARLOS BELTRAN, Beltrean did fine but the Giants tanked. Swing and a miss...In 2012, Giants had a great pitching staff but very weak at 2B and RF..so they traded 5 Prospects for PENCE and SCUTARO., and won the WORLD SERIES again....In 2013, they were out of it and realized it, and did nothing..But come 2014 after retooling in the offseason, they still needed a starter for the back of the rotation..They spent 2 prospects on PEAVEY who was lights out to get them into the POs and then they/MADBUM won the WOrld series.......It doesn't always work, you can miss big like they did with Wheeler and Beltran but if you idnetify the right additions and know your own farm sytem, the benefits could be huge for deadline deals and I applaud the balls and smarts involved in the hits and misses...That's how I want Sather to act.EVERY YEAR

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:56 am EST

and Brooks printing Middleton-for-Hodge for the millionth time, I mean Larry, just put your papers in already. It's time. Well past it in fact. Crap like that makes me wish Torts woulda went after you.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:54 am EST

By all means, lets list every team that ever failed and use it as an excuse to not try to improve haha; Vic, I understand probabilities a bit, but I understand common sense a lot more. You try to be the best you can, but there are no guarantees. You could trade for Vermette and he gets MUMPS and doesnt even play! This isnt a table game where mathematics applies. Vermette is a better player than Hayes, and theoretically if he plays to form your team is better for it. I dont think its any more complicated than that. Also, if you read the tea leaves, improvement is what the NYR are angling for; they think its the right thing. I respect contrasting opinions, I just wish I understood them better.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:52 am EST

"You keep trading away young assets and first-rounders in go-for-it-now deals and you eventually become the Rangers of 1997-98 through 2003-04. This, too: With cap space next year at a premium, the top-heavy Blueshirts will need production from young players in order to sustain their success." Bingo

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:36 am EST

Remember when Colorado added Selanne and Kariya to insanely cap friendly 1-year deals, and it got them nowhere

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:24 am EST

Vic: Rangers couldn't afford to put either under their cap, so dream on dude!

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 11:16 am EST

JFC: Yes, everyone understands that there are no guarantees. What people don't understand, however, is the nature of statistical probability. Most people don't really understand true probability. Let me give you an example. Lets say that for the sake of argument the Rangers were to trade HAYES for GETZLAF straight up and MILLER for PERRY straight up. Forget the Cap for a second. Most people would say, "holy crap the Rangers are going to win the Cup this year!. In fact, if they don't win the Cup it would be a huge shock and choke on their part." If you asked those fans what the odds were the Rangers were going to win the Cup they would say something like 90%. Statistical probability doesn't work that way. The true odds for the Rangers under those circumstances would be probably about 25% at best. That means if we were to play out the playoffs 4 times the Rangers statistically should fail to win the Cup 3 times out of 4. They might win it two or three times out of four. They might not win any out of four. And this is with a roster that is "super upgraded". Once you really understand that, it changes the way you look at building a team. If you already have a team that is a legitimate contender for a Cup that means that they have a statistically good chance of winning a Cup. There isn't much you can do to improve the probability of winning a Cup SIGNIFICANTLY even if those moves make you feel like you have a better chance. With that in mind it absolutely does not make sense to trade away draft picks, prospects and young players that could have a much more SIGNIFICANT impact on your statistical probability of winning a Cup in future years in return for a player that cannot SIGNIFICANTLY improve your statistical probability of winning a Cup this year.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:34 am EST

As much as Id think Sather wants a bigger center who is signed next year (Staal) rather than a rental, the fact that Vermette played with Nash & Brassard probably counts(I almost typed a bad word there) for a lot. Vic, now we're not leading children to slaughter but just crippling them?lol Just want to get a handle on what youre saying here.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:24 am EST

HOSPO: Yep, we have already had this debate a few times and I respect your opinion and point of view. We just disagree on some things and I don't think the gap is as big as you might think. Still, I don't mind rehashing arguments from time to time as long they stay civil. I think we've done a good job of that.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:23 am EST

Vic/RF4L/Hospo -- Isn't Brooks simply being a master of the obvious....don't we ALL know there are no guarantees...we could have key injuries, we face a super hot golaie in the POs, etc. Isn't that obvious? Who the hell here or anywhere is going to "guarantee" ANY trade is going to get us a Cup and/or deep PO run?

JFC31


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:21 am EST

RF4L: The Bruins would be a tough opponent for the Rangers but I'm actually most worried about the Islanders. The Lightning would be my second biggest fear in terms of matchups. The reason why I say the Islanders is that they can play it both ways. They have the speed and top end skill players to skate with the Rangers and they are a much bigger and more physical team. The Rangers have caught them at bad times this year but the Islanders look like a real bad matchup for the Rangers. As for Tampa, they are a bad matchup as well. Their top end skill has proven better then the Rangers so far this year and the Rangers have never been able to score on BISHOP for some reason.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:18 am EST

VIC - You're right..75 means noithing,.,To me, 20 YEARS without a CUP is bad enough...You go for the CUp when you have the chance....If A trade makes you a better team..makes you a better team in the POs..You go for it..Off ocures you try for the lowest price and best fit, but you go for it....You to take the chance instead of woorying if you will be a better team the next few years if you make the deal....And it's not like any deal I want would cripple the Rangers in the future.......OBVIOUSLY, you and I are going down the same road again..I see some of your points.....Just not my way..We'll see

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 10:06 am EST

be here now......go for it every year....que sera sera.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:55 am EST

HOSPO: The 75 year thing is irrelevant to me because it is in the past and it cannot be changed. If you make decisions based on the fact that they have only one it once in 75 years you end up making the kind of decisions that are only going to get you 1 more win in the next 75 years. I don't ever want to see the Rangers as a mediocre team again. I want them in the conversation every year as one of the leagues best teams. I want them to be a contender for the Cup. If they do that consistently they will win multiple Cups over a 10 year period. To do that you have to make decisions that make your team better now AND in the future. You can never lose sight of the future while you are looking at today AND you can never lose sight of today while you are looking at the future.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:53 am EST

Vic: True and FWIW, I don't see the Rangers beating the Bruins in a 7 game series, meaning they need someone else to do it first. In the east, they are the only team that worries me, with the caveat that the Bolts have proven to be worthy opponents this year.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:48 am EST

RF4L: Exactly. Nobody is saying that a move or two wouldn't make the Rangers "better". What we are saying is that those moves don't necessary give the Rangers a SIGNIFICANTLY better chance of winning a Cup this year. VERMETTE as the 3rd line Center would make the Rangers better. Mentally to a lot of fans he checks off a box that they have as a weakness. In the minds of fans a weakness means you can't win the Cup. In reality, none of those things is directly connected. Games and series are not decided by the abstract evaluation of players vs their opponents. Games and series are decided by how teams match up against each-other from a style perspective, how well each team's best players play, how much each team is able to impose its will and style of play on their opponent, how good each team's goaltending is, how are the games officiated, injuries, and how many lucky bounces go your way. There are other factors as well that we saw last year such as an emotional bonding event and team chemistry. The Rangers went to the Cup finals last year because so many things fell into place for them. Even with everything they had going for them it still took 3 game sevens to make it to the Cup finals.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:44 am EST

have to agree with lb, veenyo still doesn't know who should be where on bottom 2 lines......guy sometimes moves like a snail instead of a frog......or is he the tortoise or the hare?......does he yell ribbit from the bench?.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:38 am EST

RF4L/VIC - "Would that improve the Rangers’ chances of winning the Cup? Probably."..That's all you can really do with trades..You can't guarantee anything ..ever!..But the bottom line is a good Stanley Cup contending team gets even better....and an improved "shot" at the CUp for a team that has won once in 75 years beats dreaming about prospects in an UNKNOWN future every day of the week,,for me!

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:37 am EST

Hospo you got me. I'm lb you're not.. or are you ? ....lol.....but I think I know who is, mostly a reader not a poster. ....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:36 am EST

Hospo: I think, unless they are convinced he cannot cut it (and if that's the case he should be trade bait), Lindbergh should get a short looksee in the next couple of weeks. I realize that isn't exactly fair to the kid but that's life when you're with an organization with cup aspirations. I really think it's time to consider giving Hayes AHL minutes - he can slide into the number 1 center spot where he'll get PP and PK time, too. But not if you don't believe there's an adequate replacement for him. JMHO.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:30 am EST

Vic: Good post. It's a conundrum isn't it? For sure it's a lightening rod in here. Sather coughed up 2 firsts to get MSL. If all that's accomplished is one cup final appearance for me it was a bad trade. Is it reasonable to believe the Rangers have a decent chance at winning this spring without making another move that comes at the expense of the future? Tough call but IMO with the 3rd line center position as it exists today, I'd bet no. Can it be addressed by trading away say a 2nd rounder and someone from Hartford? Perhaps. Do you address it by trading Miller and a 2nd for Tyler Bozak? That would definitely be an upgrade and arguably make the team stronger than it was last year. So what do you do? My fear is Sather's plans are being impacted to a certain extent by what he already did (cough up 2 picks to get MSL).

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:27 am EST

most "likely" good trading chip

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:26 am EST

Hmmm, BROOKS, hopping on my VERMETTE bus?..And with MILLER who to me is the Rangers most "good" trading chip? .So surprising, right stevielegs? :)...BOZAK- I wouldn't mind him on the Rangers..Not even gonna think about the cost.and bodies...........RF4L - On Lindberger.....All i can say is that I liked his complete game the other night but still, for the most part, don't think he brings anything to the Rangers that isn't already there in spades from the top 4 centers...Would he be better than HAYES? I have no clue..I watched him against AHL players, I would have to watch him against NHL competiton for more than a few weeks..Now is not the time

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:16 am EST

JFC: I haven't read the article yet but it sounds like BROOKS is making the argument that I, and several others here, have been making. The Rangers could go out right now and deal DUKE, HAYES and BEUCH for E. STAAL, and then follow that up with MILLER and a #1 pick for VERMETTE and they still won't have better then a 1 in 5 chance (if even that high) of winning a Cup this year. They still could lose in the first round of the playoffs. There have been many dominant (50 wins or close teams), President's Trophy type teams that have lost in the first round of the playoffs over the years. I remember the Oilers losing in the 2nd round in 89' year sandwiched between a 5 year Cup run. Detroit got bounced out in the first round in 94', 01' and 06' (58 wins). Their 62 win team in 96' never made it to the Cup finals. There are many other examples. There are no GUARANTEES. That is why you have to understand that making moves doesn't necessarily improve your chances of winning a Cup SIGNIFICANTLY. Once your team is at a certain level the effect of any moves you make has a diminished return with respect to your chances of winning a Cup. Toronto could make some moves that would significantly improve their chances of winning a Cup this year. Chicago can't. Why, because from a probability perspective they are already just about as high as they could get.

Vic


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:15 am EST

And finally, I'm wondering why the Rangers don't give Lindbergh a game or 3 at center. Hayes can sit for a few, can't he? I see zero to lose here and lots to gain. Unless, of course, Lindbergh has been underwhelming in Hartford. Hospo, I believe you were impressed with his play last weekend. York/TD (if either of you are out there) - you guys watch the Pack; thoughts on this please??

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:13 am EST

I don't think the Rangers could fit him under their cap plus he won't come cheap, but if someone Sather could pry Tyler Bozak off of the Leafs, that would resolve the 3rd line spot immediately. Bozak is a strong FO man, isn't afraid of high traffic areas, is an excellent 2 way center man and has some offensive skill. He's probably best suited as a 2nd line center, but would be one of the better 3rd line centers in the league. He can also kill penalties. Suspect, however, Sather would have to give up a good asset (like Duclair +).

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:10 am EST

Regarding Hayes I've been saying it since October: Having him as the 3rd line center and expecting to go deep in the POs is a contradiction (IMO). However, I'm not keen on Dom Moore in that spot, either. Without a doubt (in my world anyways), the single biggest issue on the Rangers right now is the 3rd line center spot. IMO Santorelli would be an upgrade over both Moore and Hayes, although not by a whole lot. Vermette would, but he's gonna cost too much and is a pure rental (as would be Santorelli but he'd come cheap).

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:07 am EST

Also (and agreed LB could have pulled it from this wall because some of us having been saying it for weeks now), the article is accurate in assessing Kevin Hayes' impact on his linemates, which is minimal. We discussed yesterday how Hagelin offensively has been invisible, then scores the OT goal when suddenly slotted beside Derek Stepan. Hayes, at this point is his career, does not distribute the puck well.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 9:04 am EST

puck: I actually think LB's article is bang on and he's actually defending Miller, suggesting thru-out that Miller should not be traded (hell, he ends after speculating he could be the centerpiece - pun not intended - to land Vermette by citing the Hodge for Middleton disaster). I agree that if Jitters goes, what comes back better be good and NOT a rental piece - as a winger, he's offering strength, speed and ability on a far more consistent basis. All the stuff TD claimed about him (as an AHLer) I think we're finally seeing at the NHL level. He can and will, in the right situation, only get better.

RF4L


Thu Jan 22 2015 8:51 am EST

Brooks: "Could Miller front a package to Arizona that would bring back pending unrestricted-free-agent center Antoine Vermette? Maybe. Would that improve the Rangers’ chances of winning the Cup? Probably. Would it guarantee a long playoff run? No, it would not." Huh? If a trade improves a team's chances oof winning the Cup, doesn't it also improve a chance at a long PO run...which is HOW you win the Cup? AmI missing something here?

JFC31


Thu Jan 22 2015 6:47 am EST

Brooks once again gets his article from the wall- substituting JT for Duke, but essentially the same. Now Miller can have some sleepless nights for the next 5 weeks. Thanks Larry.

puckyou


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:14 am EST

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015/01/21/rumors-ii-sharks-jets-devils-kings-and-wings/

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:06 am EST

Not to talk to you!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:03 am EST

You're back? ha ha ha ha ha ;-)

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:03 am EST

moof they have lots of things present.....down there.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 2:01 am EST

IMO, this Bill Waters guy reads this Wall, bet they all do....... http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2015/01/21/rumors-iii-friedmans-thoughts-leafs-avs-and-coyotes/

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:57 am EST

Doan's agent said he wont waive nmc. Good. One less guy to track. Doan had his chance to come here.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:57 am EST

great,FYI, if you go to the D.R., you can't donate blood for a year because they have malaria present on the Island... and now back to late-night hockey......

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:51 am EST

Cam Talbot &#10004; @ctalbot33 Having an unreal time in the Dominican. Thanks to @LifestyleSEG for making it happen! #liveyourlife pic.twitter.com/NCjuQcS3f4 Retweeted by Rangers Report

stevielegs


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:44 am EST

My guess is that AV doesn't like Malone's skating speed.. If that's the situation, and Malone wants back in the NHL here or elsewhere, then he should be working on sprinting and getting his legs in shape.. The guy has the hockey smarts & experience, brings facets to this club that are not present, there's a lot of us fans that would like to see him take a roster spot..

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 1:00 am EST

I gorgotv what I was gonna say.... Oh, im not prepared to say that on Malone tilk I see him. Im goin soon. Mohegans been callin my name. But dont be surprised to see him in POs if soneone goes down. I think ALL those guys should get a look with this tough skdd upcoming. Night.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:54 am EST

Stempniak was one of our best players in preseason too, but he's in a rotation of 12th forward. Pre-season is against AHLers and junior players. Regular season is a whole other ballgame, and from the reports, Malone didn't (and still doesn't) have the legs to be on any line for this team.

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:51 am EST

If Im critical of an opinion, its because it isn't sustainable, empirically. When, outside of pre-season, has Malone done anything for us? Malone CLEARED WAIVERS with probably the most cap favorable contract considering his accomplishments outside of Heatley. Instead of taking his licks, he hasn't stepped it up, even at the AHL level. The dude is DONE. Recognize it.

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:47 am EST

But Mess, he didnt get a single game, if not mistaken. And one of our better pkayers in camp, the 3-4 games he wasnt hurt.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:43 am EST

I wouldn't have used that term ever, here, or elsewhere, but I don't get how Im trying to 'get' anyone and how I now have some personal animosity for a player akin to the personal animosity I 'had' for Torts. Torts was losing and running our players dry, running them out of town. I didn't like it. It had nothing to do with him. Malone just isn't cutting it, even at the AHL level. If he were riding shotgun with Step and MSL and laying the hits, chipping in redirections, he might be my favorite player. BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED HERE. So I don't get the hype, I don't get the criticism, except that these assessments aren't based on anything more than performances from a decade ago.

Messier11


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:39 am EST

No. I love you MF. what happened to the summer of love? It was great, everyone was happy. Now, pretty sure its best NYR streak of my life, but people are always jumpin at me. Its cause I dont stfu up (hopefully the girls arent up on THAT acronym!) But also cause they act like douches. Sry. Is that too much for you? Youre a fuckin hockey fan brutha, youre supposed to be tough! If someone says DOUCHE, man up LOL. And I realize this comes with the territory . I post far too much & it bugs people. It bugs ne!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:33 am EST

RABID - C'mon my man, no matter what was said, your language in a few posts was a bit out of hand and you know it......I read your posts..Not his......I stopped reading them months ago...Ignore him if they give you no fun,,.....And yes MF and I were weighing in on the WALL today, I'm guessing earlier tonight proved my point....AOAN....Man, Dazed and Confused is still a blast of a movie.......Check ya later!!!!!!

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:30 am EST

Would you want your wife, girlfriend, sister, mother ,daughter, or any female that comes here to participate in conversation about their favorite hockey team to be exposed to such trash talk? As an internet friend, if the answer is anything but no at this point in time, go cool off before you type.

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:21 am EST

What about it Hospo? Theyre little letters strung together to express an emotion. Mine run hotter than others on certain things, like peoplevtryin to SCREW with me on a damn forum. You guys were weighing in on newcomers today. Dont make me do chapter & verse on the greeting I got.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:20 am EST

Of course it's the language...

mf


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:15 am EST

Language?

Hospo


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:13 am EST

What?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 22 2015 12:07 am EST

Please

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:38 pm EST

Maybe he is washed up but Im not hoping for it! And id sure like to see a huge 7-time 20+ goal scorer with a nasty playoff pedigree get a decent look from this french cunt. And you know how few guys like him, oh wait, right, none! But you wanna play gotcha on a mesaage board. So hey, ahl malone . Fredo.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:32 pm EST

'Almost .5 per game' is great for what we expect from Malone at NHL level, but not in the AHL! Typically, grads have been putting up PPG or better before they get an NHL sniff. Does Malone get a special standard? Look you can make it into whatever you want it to be, but bottom line the guy should be doing as well as a college grad in an elementary school exam. When he contributes, I'll like him. Until then, a spade's a spade and Malone looks washed up.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:25 pm EST

It wont go away cause Dregers family has an interest, and hes the one reporting it! Lol. Mess, is that designed to make me look bad or something? Dont make me laugh. You say Malone- AHL-sucks, when you know .5 per game isnt bad (prob Malones career avg. . He was about a 40-45pt guy without looking it up)and you know he was hurt for a bit. I dont say you shouldnt dislike him, as u plz. There are sure guys I dont like (though theyve actually played for us; but maybe u always disliked Malone. IDk) otherwise thats awful childish. But thats your right!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:14 pm EST

Dreger talking about the Rangers and Santorelli again tonight. It's one of those rumors that just wont go away. I like Santorelli. He'd make us better, but he's really more of the same (of what we already have).

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:13 pm EST

Was that a quote out of Dale Carnegie's making friends & influencing people?

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:56 pm EST

as I like to say, the proof is in the pudding. Id love for him to come up and prove me wrong, but don't be shocked if he does more of what he's doing now…which is sucking…in the AHL.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:48 pm EST

Thats how it works for some with no feel Mess. They count stats & prospects & think they know, when they really know cock. Roll this around in yer mouth. They trade JT for Staal and Malone isnt far from coming back. What depth wings are there besides Glass? I wouldnt mind Haggert but Duke? BUch? Mueller? Maybe...not much in his way though.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:38 pm EST

dude has 8 AHL points in 20 AHL games but could score meaningfully for us, was robbed of opportunity by AV and Sather? So whats his excuse nowadays? If he's going to roll over and die, I much rather he do it in Hartford than here in the playoffs at the expense of someone like Fast who gives it all every night whether he's here with us or not.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:35 pm EST

hey, its not the Blues' fault that Toronto is having such a shitty last few seasons (at least, not much their fault)

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:30 pm EST

well, if you're trying to make a point…I guess you should

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:30 pm EST

Id like Malone a lot more if he scored more. Id like MSL a lot less if he didn't score so much. That's how a lot of this stuff works for me.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:29 pm EST

Who knows? Who cares? Phuck the Blues anyways.

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:28 pm EST

not retained after last years playoffs. Why would he pick Allen over Halak, Miller and Elliott?

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:24 pm EST

Jake Allen is the best goalie Hirsch has ever worked with? LOL. Lemme guess, Hirsch gets a paycheque from the Blues....

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 9:59 pm EST

Mess you dont like Malone. Got it. Anytime anyone mentions him theres a quip. But he coulda helped this team, still could. AV robbed him of his comeback momentum. He was groovin in camp. Think whatever pleases you but the dude is big mean & can score (and he can skate just good enough.avs a bitch with his speed thing sometimes.Fast aint all that and hasnt and wont give us any rough stuff nor much scoring) Shit, wonder what he woulda done with MSLs opportunities? Ever think about that? Did u ever once think about that?!!! I dub u Fredo ;) Did you

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 9:41 pm EST

Malone, btw, has 8 AHL points in 20 AHL games. Haven't been watching, but seems like he had about 7 a month ago

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:57 pm EST

a line mate for Malone in Hartford?

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:47 pm EST

'But' nobody good. And I forgot the Ken Hodge-Middleton part ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:44 pm EST

Bloated 35-yr old dinosaur of a vet in twilight of his career lol. I'd trade some C-level prospect by nobody good!!!lol. Then I'll go fuckin crazy when Neal comes in and gives us exactly what we need!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:28 pm EST

I would cut off my right arm to get NEIL. That is exactly what this team needs. That would be a huge, catalytic acquisition.

hipcheck


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:22 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/nhl-suffers-legal-setback-in-battle-against-ex-coyotes-owner-jerry-moyes/

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:14 pm EST

You mean he with the most young assets doesnt automatically win? Hmm. Learn something every day. Maybe these vets have some value after all? Maybe just maybe especially the special vets, the guys who've really given it up for a long time and played very well and been all you could have hoped for, guys like Girardi & Hank and Staal, maybe they're deserving of some help so they can hold a Cup once in their goddamn life (and I can say my team won one for only the second time in mine)? You might have to trade some 19-yr old with a questionable future to accomplish that, which, you know , makes the asset managers grab their fuckin' balls!!! The children! The children!!!!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:09 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-says-vegas-expansion-fee-could-be-450-million-or-more/

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:01 pm EST

My bad, wrong team....Oilers still suck, though:)

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 7:33 pm EST

I was advocating for Legwand when he was a UFA....Oilers are so messed up they think keeping all their young guys and getting rid of the older ones (I'd bet they'd love to rid themselves of Poo right about now...money well spent, LOL!) is the secret formula....they have no chemistry , no balance, no goaltending....but as long as they stay young and keep their draftees they'll be just fine...NOT!

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 6:48 pm EST

Pretty good interview this year (14:00) with Hirsch about all things goaltending: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11904405&s=espn Some tidbits: Jake Allen maybe the best goaltender he'd ever worked with (includes Miller, Halak, Elliot, Bishop, Gustavsson, Giguere, Toskala, MacDonald)

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 6:25 pm EST

coincidentally, Hirsch was most recently goalie coach from 2010-2014 (during Halak, Bishop, Miller, Elliot) and was criticized for having both Miller and Halak play deep in their crease. Not sure how fair that is

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 6:17 pm EST

That was a long time ago, and Talbot is not Healy. Healy was a starter for LA and the Islanders for several seasons before backing up Richter. Healy, was a replacement (like the one Im advocating we get if we got a great offer for Talbot) for when we lost Vanbiesbrouck and while Hirsch was still developing, the season before our cup run.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:55 pm EST

in 94 it took richter and healy to get there and in the playoffs.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993%E2%80%9394_New_York_Rangers_season

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:42 pm EST

Yeah Hospo, said the other day I wouldnt be surprised if Sather is still after Neil. He doesnt give up chasing guys usually. But that one is on neil, who never wants to leave Ottawa.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:38 pm EST

Scanlan from the Ottawa Citizen, after an interview with their GM Murray, is specualting that guys like NEIL, PHILLIPS, METHOT and LEGWAND (about 50% career FOs, multi-year contract?) may be on the block before the deadline...Just being a messenger

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:30 pm EST

I don't see Talbot beating out Scrivens but maybe he could make things interesting

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:27 pm EST

If we could get a decent return for Talbot, I would do it. Hank would have to be missing an arm (knock on wood) for Cam to see any time in the POs. promote Skapski or Malcolm, or make a KHL/AHL dive signing. However, I doubt that any of the offers will be worth the risk of shaking things up.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:26 pm EST

STEVIE - True, but The Prince is ready to play 50!! In time, I guess..And you are right, it seems a very close team...but winning does that..:)

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:19 pm EST

not to get too schmaltzy, but the NYR are a TEAM, and I would think the prince feels a part of them. he'll get his due, the king is not getting younger, the prince might get 25 or more games next year......hank needs to conserve just like msl for when it really counts.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 5:02 pm EST

Goalie market is always funny. Never seem to get much for them. Talbot Id probably use till the last minute, and if he walks, he walks. Not much you can do.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:52 pm EST

RABID - That's why I mentioned yesterday that I was surprised TALBOT re-upped with the Rangers to be The King's caddie..Either way, no way he stays a Ranger past the end of next year..The question is, do they deal him before then?

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:49 pm EST

Bastids; The Edmonton Oilers had Cam Talbot on their “radar” as a potential UFA goalie this summer and the Rangers were aware of that. (Sportsnet) Talbot signed a one-year extension to stay with the Rangers, for $1.45 million. Mark Messier, formerly a Special Assistant to Glen Sather, is “apparently a fan” of Talbot and currently working with the Oilers. (Sportsnet) He has also said that he hopes to be a starting goalie in the future.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:25 pm EST

If someone had asked why th kids were benched here is basically what he would have said. "They made a couple mistakes that kids will. But the reason they were not out there is OTT took the lead quick there after their first goal. I did not want to put them in a positio. That they could lose the game for us, that continued into the 3rd once we tied it." As to Stemp "I saw what Hags was bringing and he was creating problems for their D and I wanted to get him out there, and it turned out pretty good in OT". There you go everyone. The answer your looking for...well not really...but that's the way AV answers this types of questions. You want a guy who just says it regardless of who it pisses off or hurts...request Torts get rehired.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:15 pm EST

Bob: Watch on Blueshirts the little video clip where there are outtakes of Hags, MZA and Brassard doing some sort of commercial. Pretty funny and it's clear MZA is quite the character. I've watched a few clips where fans get to meet some of the Rangers and ask questions - MZA has lots of funny little quips he makes. Gotta figure his teammates love him.

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 3:41 pm EST

this is a pretty likeable group of players. Nice to read about Kreider today.

Bob


Wed Jan 21 2015 3:36 pm EST

That's good stuff, reading of MSL & Kreider. And not cause it's Kreider he's helping (he & Zuc as well) but it goes to show its not all about stats. So much happens that we're not privy to, but you can just tell to a man they al like & respect the guy. So I gotta say a few good words, lest my rantings be taken as unobjective or just plain mean. MSL is doin' what he can. it's become pretty obvious to most if not all now where his game is and why I was on him. it's a minimal, economic game but he'll still post respectable if not great numbers and carry his weight. He's so smart, he knows to save himself for the POs, cause thats what its all about. And it wont surprise me in the least he comes up big when we need it. In fact he'd better. That's where it's not okay to not play well. Not after you force a trade here, and your persona forces changes in our structure. But I have faith he's got enough magic left in him. The guy has been a great, great player, and that comes from between your ears as much as anything.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 3:10 pm EST

Josh Yohe &#10004; @JoshYohe_Trib Here's video of Rinaldo talking about Letang hit. Warning: Language is salty at the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tF4D707Hk …

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 3:07 pm EST

Zac Rinaldo &#10004; @RinaldoZac I didn't intend to hurt Kris tonight. I'm very sorry I did. At no point did I ever "joke" about such a thing. These reports are untrue. ..... Mike Halford &#10004; @HalfordPHT "It changed the whole game, man. (Expletive) who knows what the game would've been like if I didn't do what I did." -- Rinaldo on Letang hit

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:58 pm EST

msg has a body pc guard standing next to the coach....ask tough questions or real ones, and probably get the cold shoulder the next time. if not banned....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:50 pm EST

Could you envision asking Hot-Head-A-Rella those questions? You'd have to be behind safety glass.. lol

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:42 pm EST

No NY media person ever asks questions like that. Ever. They are muzzled. Look at the free ride Sather had from 2000 to 2005 (and beyond) - ridiculous. He would have been eaten alive in Canada (and was subjected to constant ridicule here during those years as he ran up the Ranger payroll and the team continually finished out of the POs).

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:41 pm EST

The smarter approach for the media would have been to approach it from the perspective that it was obvious that they were benched so..."Coach, what are the implications for FAST and HAYES moving forward after they were benched for nearly half the game? Will there be a carry-over moving forward with those players? Will you be cutting your bench down to three lines moving forward and if so, isn't that an indication that you may need to bring in some other players that you feel you can put out there in those situations? On STEMPNIAK, it appears his play has regressed some from where it was early in the year. Have you spoken to him about it? Was he benched in the game last night because his play has deteriorated the last few months or was it something specific that happened in the game last night that you didn't like? Moving forward will STEMPNIAK's ice time be reduced? Do you feel like STEMPNIAK gives the team what you were looking for from him?".........................I could go on and on with these questions. They are the type of questions we rarely see asked anymore.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:34 pm EST

RF4L: Yeah, but nobody pressed AV on it. Nobody asked questions like; "Coach, FAST and HAYES didn't get a shift in the 2nd period or 3rd period after they were on the ice for the Sen's first goal. Were they being benched? Were you trying to send a message to those two players? Did you talk to them during or after the game and if so what did you tell them? Also, it looked like STEMPNIAK was benched as well after he took a high-sticking penalty. Was that the case? Was there a message being sent to STEMPNIAK or the other two players not seeing the ice in the second half of the game?"

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:29 pm EST

Huh?

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:26 pm EST

RF: best 9 doesn't necessarily mean that players on the 4th aren't in the category that the coach considers the "best 9"

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:17 pm EST

Vic: I read something this morning where AV said he wanted to go with his best 9, meaning, I think, he wasn't happy with his bottom 3.

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:16 pm EST

HOSPO: Regarding AV sending a message or not with the benchings......there is no way we can really know for sure what he was thinking. In the end I think it is probably a little of both. Punishment of players for not playing well or making mistakes AND putting out the guys who were playing best last night to try to win the game. I wish somebody in the NY Media would ask AV why they were benched. I didn't see anyone even ask the question.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:01 pm EST

I sincerely doubt people are afraid to post. To me its the level of discussion that either attracts or repels posters. I know for me, I starting coming here because it was a time before twitter and really even google in its prime. I could always count on a link to every Rangers article every day, and a few people who were watching both the Rangers on a regular basis (I couldnt, from St. Louis. I paid a teammate on the HS hockey team to VHS tape the ESPN games, I still have a box of them) but also Binghamton, others who paid attention to stats and had informed opinions to share. You can go to anywhere and heat 'this player sucks, this player is great'. To me, this wall is at its best when its used, when its informed, and when it is objective.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:59 pm EST

I don't have that much to add to the future signings topic but I think one of the keys is what the Rangers have in the organization and how Sather views the short term future of guys like BUCH and DUC...On defrense, it's simple, we have nobody in the sytem with the potential 2-way abilities of Staal and, as a whole, D is pretty thin..We HAD to re-sign STAAL...As for Center, STEP is our best player but there is so much redundancy all th way down to Lindberger in the AHL,,And we have to admit that both HAYES and LINDBERGER are getting better..And then there's JT MILLER....At W, you would have to think BUCH is resdy for Top 9 duty...Will DUCLAIR be? I don't knwo..And what if we trade a prospect or two in the next few months? That could change everything..THinking about it now, I would think one of the wings (either UFA, RFA or somebody likes HAGS) would be traded or lpermitted to walk...Eh, who the hell knows..

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:53 pm EST

lets not forget his wife and Connecticut. I really cant see him wearing Isles/Devils jersey

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:53 pm EST

MF - I nominate you as head recruiter!..Honestly,it's up to all of us... the best way to add members/lurkers is too keep the place active AND Fun/friendly..We keep it like that, more people will particpate (just imagine if tdchi, E, RAYNGER etc.. were here recently)..we are all guilty at times but if we let it denigrate to a win at all costs know it all debate environment and it will reduce to a trickle..JMWO..

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:51 pm EST

Wild is that thin air getting to you? MSL is at a stage in his career where the question of hanging up the skates and retiring comes up.. In all likelihood the following topics also come up, ie:1) if we win the cup this year maybe I'll retire as a champion, 2) will my next contract be a 1 yr deal, reduced salary + more incentive laden.. 3) will I wait for the coaches to get key people signed so that we can ascertain the deal management can structure for the sake of the team....... MZA is the next MSL, and it's right before our very eyes... jmonaturally ..... Now I'm putting down my Ranger Pom-Poms

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:50 pm EST

There's also a certain "pay your dues" and pecking order aspect to contracts and such is the case with Marc Staal....lifelong Ranger, 3 more seasons with the Rangers than McD and 3 years older. it's a case of "your turn will come" with McD and getting more money than Staal. Whereas there's a good chance this will be Staal's biggest pay day.

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:45 pm EST

Just got a coffee at SBUX, saw a guy with a Ranger Hat, said, "excuse me," took out the cell phone to show him the RFC Graffiti Wall, he smiled and said, "that he used to view The Wall," then he smiled.... Anyone here up for recruiting some more participants on The Wall??? I'm game..... ges999, thanks for the input dude, or dudette. Sometimes I wonder what the headcount of the "Lurker Community" totals are..... Back to our regularly scheduled topic.... Let's get Stepan & MZA signed....

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:43 pm EST

What I'm saying is that Zucc would not dare ask for the same money Marc Staal just got. And yes, Mats Zuccarello's talent level is elite...his stickhandling ability, his ability to control/slow down the offensive zone, his vision and his passing ability are elite. His brekaway abilityu and moves are also elite, which is why he is a go-to shootout player for the Rangers. He is a hell of alot more than just an agitating winger....he has that quality, yes....but he is a rare package to me....feisty, fearless player who leads by example combined with great offensive tools and vision....a guy with his talent with the puck who also wins Steven McDonald Extra Effort Awards and has fans chanting his name when he touches the puck...not sure there's a hell of alot more I'd ask for in a player. If they let him go, they are nuts.

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:30 pm EST

IMHO I think that there is very little space between MSL and ZUCC when it comes to priority. I do however think they treat Stepan almost as if he IS a UFA, because if I remember correctly he is arbitration eligible, and they don't want to get to that point. SO really I think the team is looking at it as almost having 3 UFAs within the forward Ranks. Sepan will get his money before Zucc or MSL IMHO....well at least they will have an idea of what they want to give him and what he may take, so that will limit the amount the others can get.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:25 pm EST

Rather=Sather

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:25 pm EST

Rather might think there is life after MZA. If we let Staal go, were just giving up on our defensive game.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:24 pm EST

JFC- I like MZA and believe he is the priority UFA both to us and organization, but D like Staal are rare while scoring, agitating wings are great to have but not nearly so rare. Cant compare those contracts or the pressure on NYR to sign either player.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:17 pm EST

Steal = Staal stupid autocorrect.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:16 pm EST

Dreger whoring for Leafs again (GM is his cousin)about Santorelli. Hard not to lose all respect for the guy when he pulls that crap, but then no one cares. Last year he actually uttered the words Frandon & Kreider same sentence. Canadian Dick.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:15 pm EST

JFC: You think a player wouldn't try to get more than another player? Steal just asked for and got MORE than the tale about Norris winner in the future, CAPTAIN of the Rangers! What Sather SHOULD do is offer 3-4 years at 4 mil per. You don't start where you want to end. Than limit yourself to 5 years and 4.5 per. And also, elite talent? Really...elite players don't go full seasons with a half point per game production. Sorry. He is hard nosed, and has talent, but elite? No...sorry.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:44 pm EST

Miller did have a strong game (at wing; shocker) from parts I was able to see. Huge collision with Karlsson in which the initiator (Karlsson) got the worst of it. That was some power forward stuff. JT rang post too.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:38 pm EST

They just gave lifelong Ranger Marc Staal $5.7 mil for 6 years. If they think that Zuccarello is the kind of player to have as part of your team's "core", then Sather will approach Zucc about a contract and get a feel for what he's looking for....and I doubt after seeing that Staal got $5.7 that Zucc would EVER think of asking for anywhere near that, if he wants to stay a Ranger. This situation is all on Sather and I would have to think that Sather wants to make this work....if not, then he's a POS for leading it to this point with Zuccarello. If he was asking for $4.5 and Sather asked him to forego that for a year to help the team, I'd expect he'd make a good faith offer of close to 4.5 for 5 years....and he should do it soon. To me, this guy is an ideal player for NY....extra effort underdogs who play like he plays AND have elite skills are not easy to come by

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:28 pm EST

"..Why are the Blackhawks willing to trade us their no 2 center? They aren't out of the playoffs." .......just to aggravate some nyr anti-Richards fans?.......they like sather?......

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:23 pm EST

lets also not forget, Pouliot got 5 years 4 mil per after a season were he got less than half a point per game. and only had one season that was better, and just barely better. Zucc is at a higher pace than that, and had a MUCH better year than Pouliot has ever had. Pullout is seen as a third line guy with 2nd line upside when he is on, Zucc is seen as a second line guy who can be on the first line when he is on...so 5+ mil per wouldn't be out of the question on July 1st, heck, if two teams get bidding a little it could be closer to 6 mil when its all said and done if two teams see him as a 1st line forward.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:23 pm EST

WILD/VIC _ I was expecting AV, as he should, to go with Stemp-Moore-Hags in the 3rd with little time for the kids...And I did see Stemp out for the first shift and said ..yep.......BUt, after that, it was MILLER in for Stemp....Surprised me..But...MILLLER had a strong game IMWO

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:20 pm EST

VIC - still don't agree about this message stuff....All I think AV was doing was playing the players that he thought gave him the best chance to win last nights game..If the bad shift by Fast and hayes reaffirmed a previous opinion, so be it....Anyway, like a few game out west, trying to win meant little time for Hayes and Fast in the 3rd...Maybe why they got ZERO time was because the game STAYED tied until the end, much different than the other games,...A good strategy in my book with the only thing surprising me was MILLER over Stemp, unlike the other games....

Hospo


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:16 pm EST

JFC: Every year there is at least 1 UFA that is overpaid big time....Leino got 4.5 per from the Sabers, and most people would say that Zucc has been a better player than Leino was at any time. It all depends on who else is out there of course. But I could see another GM giving him 5.5 per....and its not just that he will get the money, its if he is asking that, he will hit the market, and the market will than set his price. It could be that the Rangers make a good offer, let say, 4 years, 4.25 per AAV,or 5 years 4.25 per. Those would be good offers. Another team could come in and say 5 years 4.5, or 4.75, or add on a 6th year to the deal, and the Rangers could lose out over a small amount in this cap world. Its very risky IMHO, and he while a part of the team, should not be on the untouchable list when it comes to the current roster.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:06 pm EST

Why are the Blackhawks willing to trade us their no 2 center? They aren't out of the playoffs.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:01 pm EST

and why would a team want to trade for a pending UFA whose stats are so "diminished" from last year?

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:00 pm EST

Wild -- but there's a disparity in what you're saying about his contract demands and what you're saying about his performance. Why would another team want to give him that kind of money if his stats are so "disappointing"?

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:53 am EST

JFC: He was looking for 4.5-5 per long term before he agreed to take 3.5...don't think he was all Rangers love early on. He wanted to get paid. He also realized his only other option was to go back to the KHL, and the Rangers would have retained his rights. KNOWING he can go to any team might make his go for the gold. His agent also MUST be telling him this is his ONE chance at a big contract. He is 27, not 23. most players are looking for their first big contract that will END at 27 or 28 not start at 27 or 28. yeah he ended up helping the Rangers because he wants to be a Ranger....but if the Rangers can only give him 3.75-4 AAV and other teams would give him 5.5AAV thats a big chunk of change. Also, like I said, IF he asked for 6 mil per they need to move him, because if he starts asking for that, I would expect the idea that he would be moving to a new team in the offseason would perhaps get into his head and interrupt his play even more than something has so far this year.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:43 am EST

I'd peg the chances of Zuccarello being traded at 1000-1. Not only is he the ying to Brassard's yang, but he's an integral part of this team's chemistry. You really think the Rangers are gonna take a chance at wrecking the chemistry of this team and detrimentally effecting Brassard's performance when they are trying to win a Cup? Really? If they decide that he's asking too much money, they simply won't resign him...and that doesnt seem to jive with Zucc agreeing to take less to help Sather out, does it? Once again, IMO you guys are judging like fantasy GMs....it's not just about stats and caps when you are going for the Cup. What does that article about Kreider and his relationship with MSL tell us? What does it tell us when we evaluate whether or not the Rangers will want to resign MSL and WHY they would want to resign him? It wouldn't be judged on his stats (although he's 3rd on the team in scoring). Same goes for MZA and his relationship with Brassard, with Lundqvist, with Hags and as the locker room guy who keeps everyone loose and their feet on the ground. There's more to the evaluation process than stats. Oh, and a guy who sacrificed for the team in THIS contract is gonna look at the cap situation and suddenly ask for an outlandish 6 mil per year....who is gonna give him that if his stats are supposedly so indicative of a a guy whose career is supposedly diminishing at 27 years of age and show that he was a one-year wonder?

JFC31


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:36 am EST

Rabid: If you wouldn't take a guy who is on pace for 15-20 goals, 30-35 assists, and winning about 50% of his face-offs I can't help you. Would there be a ton of guys on my wish list above him...sure....but Richards is currently winning more draws and getting more points than Hayes. If you would avoid a guy based on personal feelings thats silly. Richards is helping the hawks win...he isn't just getting some points on a crap team, or part of losing efforts. So lets get something straight here, Richards is still an effect player in the NHL. Just not a 6 mil top 6 guy. he is a 3rd line center, who can chip in. And he has won a cup and knows what it takes....again, Id rather take other guys off their hands, or other teams hands, but if he was an option, not thinking about it seriously would be a terrible terrible move by the Rangers.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:25 am EST

Wild, if Zuc wants a ton of men I really can't help him LOL. if you think Brad Richards is a good get, I cant help you either.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 11:00 am EST

Having msl and Boyle and when they had Richards are what I call guys that bring intangibles because of their vet leadership and experience. Guys like kid k et al learn a lot from playing with proven guys that they can't in the ahl. That's part of why sather signs those types even on the downside of their careers. They can teach a lot more than veenyo or sather. And they know what it takes to win in the playoffs. There aren't a surplus of those vets with rings that can still play that are available ..:

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:50 am EST

"he isn't not worth that"....now thats awesome! Should have been " he isn't worth that much"

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:48 am EST

Vic: My bad, I read it and thought you were speaking of that 3rd line...didn't even see Stemp mentioned...but I did read it quick. IN any case yeah, Stemp was not at his best last night. I wouldn't mind if they got an upgrade for him as well....but thats tougher since he is paid so little and has experience....so he can be useful.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:46 am EST

Rabid: Richards as a 2 mil 3rd line C who isn't counted on for the PP would be a good get. SO stop acting like everything he did was terrible. He was not terrible for a 3rd line C he was terrible for a 6 mil PP QB. As for Zucc, yeah you trade him in a heartbeat if he is looking for 5.5-6 per....because he isn't not worth that, he is right now, not worth more than 3.5...so if he wants a ton of men and a tone of years...so long....get the team "better" set for a cup run.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:40 am EST

KREIDER: Brooks did a nice little article about Kreider. He talked about he recent surge 5 goals (and I think 9 points) in his last 10 games. How KK said he couldn't focus on hockey and his heart wasn't in it after his Grandfather passed away. Another thing was the impact that MSL seems to be having on him. Spoke about how on the bench MSL is always talking to him, and at practice he is, and they stay after practice working not things. KK says that MSL takes and he shuts up and listens. Now, MSL doesn't know how to play like a big fast power forward like KK can be, but he knows hockey, he also has a work ethic that is impressive, so if he can instill that kind of work ethic at a pro level in KK, and can get KK to prepare like he has over so many years that is great. Makes it even more important to try to get him resigned to a decent deal for both parties after this season.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:34 am EST

WILDCARD: Correct, I didn't say HAGS was benched. It was STEMPNIAK that I mentioned was benched. The media said he had one shift in the third period but I didn't see him on the ice and I was looking for him. STEMPNIAK was benched because he was pretty bad last night. Turned the puck over a lot and took a bad penalty.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:29 am EST

we're still trading Zuc? And bringing back Richards?! Sounds like a terrific plan. See ya later!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:28 am EST

Vic: Yeah, I think that Zucc will be moved if as they chat with his agent they see he wants something ridiculous. Like 6 years, 5.5-6 mil per with a NMC or something crazy like that. (and don't put it past agents to oversell their guys to the guy! Look at Cally his agent had him seeing OV money) If thats what is going on, they will not be able to get him signed and he will at least test the UFA market, and thats a huge danger. If you can get Shaw for him, even 1 for 1 you might just have to do it....I know everyone loves Zucc, but the cup is the goal, and it MUST be balanced with the business side of things. As you said you can't have everything, and to get a guy who can play wing and center you will have to give something up, because those guys tend to cost more in trade and in cap. Not that I want Zucc traded...but he might be the "logical" choice due to his status as an impending UFA and lack of NTC/NMC.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:22 am EST

WILDCARD: They might want to have additional insurance but can they afford it? You can't have it all. If they do want some flexibility like that then an MZA for SHAW + deal becomes more likely as SHAW plays RW and Center. I still think that it is a distinct possibility that MZA is moved if they can't resign him before the deadline.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:20 am EST

VIC: Almost there on that 3rd line. Hayes and Fast didn't play int he 3rd, however Hags did. He played like 4 min (didn't add up the ice time) and had 6 shifts in the 3rd and of course the 1 in OT. So AV saw something from his game he liked and something from the other two he didn't. Also, Stemp only played 1 shift in the 3rd for 12 seconds. So clearly something about Stemp didn't make AV feel very good either.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:12 am EST

Rabid: On that part of it...if they DO bring up Lindberg and send Hayes down I would go for a wing who can play wing if need be, and has more experience than Miller. That way you have things in place in case of injury and again, have options and are not forced into things.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 10:11 am EST

VIC: While I will not disagree I will say this. The Rangers I think, don't want to be forced to rely on Hayes or Miller at center for a cup run. I feel that they will still try to go and get a center who can win around 50% of his draws and gets some points and still be ok in his own zone. I say that because if there is an injury at center, they would have no choice but to play Hayes or Miller there if they don't get a new guy in. So while it may be that they are, and have been thinking of sending Hayes down abut this time and even brining up Lindberg, I still think they want to go get more center depth. It goes them options and security.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 9:37 am EST

Thatd work for me Vic! Id like to see a rugged wing brought in if thats the case. But hed look great. Dunno if it happens, but Lindberg would nake us even sharper imo.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 9:30 am EST

BTW, regarding the 3rd line Center spot I think it is entirely possible that the Rangers go a completely different way then most people here expect. What if SATHER and AV planned to play HAYES in that spot until the All Star Break all along just to see how he looked in his first 40 games. That way they get a better idea on what they have in him for this year and for the future. What if their plan all along was to send him down to Hartford right now because they expected him to be hitting The Wall, as he has been over the last few weeks. He goes down with the message of ............"Great first 40 games Kevin. Now, here is what you need to work on down in Hartford for the rest of the season so that we can call you back up and have you be an option during the playoffs, and to solidify your spot on the roster next year." ............ What if the plan all along was to bring up LINDBERG and have him play in that 3rd line Center role for the rest of the season and possibly the playoffs. The Rangers know that they have a solid and reliable defensive Center in LINDBERG. He has played with the big club in the past and has played well with FAST. He is much better on draws then HAYES or MILLER. And he is cheap with respect to the Cap. I could definitely see the Rangers sending HAYES down after a few days rest to join the WolfPack this weekend and bringing LINDBERG back up to play with the Rangers starting on Tuesday against the ISLANDERS. I could also see LINDBERG replacing MOORE in the bottom 6 next year. The Rangers go after SEKERA at the deadline and address their 3rd line Center issue for this year from within.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 9:30 am EST

A bought out player cannot sign or be traded to his former team for one year. Who in their right mind would want the mutherfuckin Master of PP Disaster back anyway? Stevie are you retarded? Or just tryin to get under my skin? If so it worked, having to see the name of that NIGHTMARE with my morning coffee. Thanks.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 9:28 am EST

Vic - I found this: http://spectorshockey.net/blog/first-loophole-in-the-new-nhl-cba/

ges999


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:59 am EST

NIce story by LB on Kreider today. Kreider has indeed raised his game lately and I'd argue last night's was his best this year (or at least the best I've seen him play). If he can discover some consistency he'll really be something and a fabulous 1 - 2 punch with Nash on the top 2 lines.

RF4L


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:51 am EST

GES999: Not that I want RICHARDS back right now but I can't seem to find that particular clause. Do you have a link that states that a player who is bought out and signed elsewhere can't be traded back to the team that bought him out the following year? I know that teams can't trade a player to another team to have that team do the buyout so that the original team can resign him the following year. That loophole was closed. It would make sense that the NHL would not allow a trade back to the Rangers for RICHARDS this year but I just can't find where it explicitly states that.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:18 am EST

From what i understand any player bought out under CANNOT be re-acquired by that same team during the upcoming season, not by waivers, not by trade and not by free-agent signing

ges999


Wed Jan 21 2015 8:10 am EST

is there or is there not a rule on trading to get Brad Richards back, instead of all these schmagegees (sp?),,,,....? .....he could take Hayes under his wing, literally and figuratively.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 7:48 am EST

why keep MSL....?...because...." Watch whenever they go off the ice: St. Louis invariably is talking to Kreider. Watch when they are on the bench. St. Louis is invariably talking to Kreider. If you ever get the opportunity, watch when they are running through drills at practice. Watch when they stay on late following practice. Yep, St. Louis is invariably talking to Kreider. “It’s a give-and-take relationship,” Kreider said before pausing a moment to deliver the punch line. “He gives and I take. “He talks, I shut up and listen.”

stevielegs


Wed Jan 21 2015 7:26 am EST

On SANTORELLI.......no thanks. I'd rather have SHAW.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 7:25 am EST

HOSPO: Last night was different. In SOME of the previous games that were close AV did shorten his bench and the HAYES line got less minutes in the 3rd period. Basically the Rangers skipped them in the rotation at times during the 3rd. But they still played. Last night HAYES, FAST and STEMPNIAK never saw the ice again after the Sens scored their first goal in the 2nd period at the 13:38 mark. The goal that was started by the FAST turnover on their extended shift. HAGS was on the ice with them at the time. So they were benched for the final 26:22 of the game. Last night was definitely a message.

Vic


Wed Jan 21 2015 7:08 am EST

closer read of Dreger Santorelli mention: seems to be based only on the facts that Santorelli is available, and that we tried to sign him in the offseason. Well, maybe we did, but probably before we signed Hayes and Lombardi. Lombardi was deemed expendable, and I wouldn't be surprised if Sather's interest in Santorelli is a ship that already sailed.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 6:18 am EST

mf: the Rangers see HAYES as a long term solution at center. He will most likely be in Hartford not on wing. He only played RW in NCAA due to so many centers and not wanting him as a 4th line guy due to his skill level. The Rangers have a minor league team unlike college so they can keep him at center like they seem to really really want to.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:29 am EST

from this morning's NYPost coverage

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:29 am EST

“He’s played extremely well his last games,” Vigneault said of Hunwick. “He’s made some real good decisions with the puck and he’s competed real hard when he hasn’t had it. At this time, right now, I just feel he deserves to stay in.”

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 4:28 am EST

“The plays he makes, the things he sees before they happen; it’s extraordinary,” Kreider said of St. Louis, his 39-year-old linemate. “He is so cerebral … he is playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers. Isn’t that the euphemism?

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 3:43 am EST

He's not big, he's not young, he's not particularly cheap, was drafted late, hasn't played a single postseason game, has almost always been a minus rating for the season, was demoted to the AHL for a stretch two seasons ago, hasn't played a mostly-full season since 2010-11, his one mostly good season, scoring 41 points in 82 games for the Panthers. Next best output was last season's 28 points, which he is currently on pace to pass.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 3:33 am EST

Santorelli, having played in all 47 games for the Leafs this season, ranks (among Leafs) 19th in hits, 8th in shots, 11th in blocked shots, and 6th in face-offs taken, with a 47% win rate. (among top six for face-offs taken, that is 4th best or 3rd worst). Those same stats among Rangers would make him 11th in hits, 7th in shots, 11th in blocked shots, and 5th in face-offs taken (ahead of MSL, Miller.) His 47% win rate would be third highest among those top five. (not saying much). His 26 points would be fifth on our scoring, though he has at least three GP more than any Ranger, and 14 more than McD, 16 more than Stepan, 19 more than Boyle, 24 more than Miller, 29 more than Duke. His ATOI puts him 8th among Leafs forwards, the same among Rangers forwards (just between Moore and Kreider). Definitely he would be a third-line add, but he is not a hitter, (Stempniak has more) not a shot blocker (MSL has more) kind of a shooter (on par with Brass) but not a face-off specialist (Hayes has taken more this season, Santarelli's % is only marginally higher than MSL's). Surely this isn't the best we can do.

Messier11


Wed Jan 21 2015 2:07 am EST

Duclair came off that cap # too, its over $3m free unless something changed. Thats half the nut right there if my math's anywhere near right. I saw Zip say something like we only had 600k which was way off last I saw at Capgeek. Whatever. Sather will make it work, and Francis has to, if not gere elsewhere. They just need to agree on players.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:56 am EST

S & S ay? We have $2.6mill at the trade deadline, I remember from Cap Geek... Trade Glass +$1,450,000 brings us to $4.050mill.. I imagine JMoore is going the other way +$850K = $4.9mill... (that is unless they don't surprise everyone & send Hunwick who is paid $600K) Hayes gets moved to 3rd line RW, Fast or Stemp is riding the pine... Wonder just how far apart we are in the $$ situation that Carolina would have to eat and who else is going the other way?

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:46 am EST

Yes MF. Plus that hit gets to about half by deadline, though I cant remember or find the formula. And then teams can absorb 50%. Theres only one or two pay cycles by the deadline, thats part of the reasoning I guess. My gorilla math id say Sekara and Stall combined will be $5-6m and thus do-able

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:43 am EST

I'm back: Hayes played the RW in college, good to know which side he's getting shifted to if & when we acquire a center..... http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/08/30/kevin-hayes-works-system-choose-nhl-destination/AjfZFG3JnIeS86FQeLfQ6J/story.html

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:38 am EST

RR: you are right on the E.Staal cap situation.. I was counting the avg cap hit of the team that signed him. If a player gets traded, I believe the cap hit is the avg $$ of the years remaining on that players contract.. OAN, no Hockey for a week, & the countdown until the trade deadline is kind of gut wrenching.. g/n....

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 1:11 am EST

If Im GM in some shitty market, or a good one for that matter, Im looking at Moore thinkin theres still some upside there.He can surprise you, physically, and every once in a while with the puck. If somebody gives him more minutes theres no predicting... he skates kike a horse that can handle it. I was excited to see him thus year, he got great PO experience, but hard to bust out playing every fourth game.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:52 am EST

John Moore played 2 or 3 of the games on the West Coast sweep.. Really don't know what AV's rhyme or reason is with him & Hunwick.. Maybe he's just trying to give both guys minutes because he's planning on going into battle with these 7 D'men.. I'm disappointed Moore couldn't grab the brass ring and cement himself as the 6th D'man... ce la vie

mf


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:16 am EST

Oh and Kreider on radio said you hate to stop on such a hot streak but said a lot of guys are really banged up. The inconsistencies we've seen last week or so is usually a by-product. And how bout my man tonight burying it. Atta boy. Its maybe telling the guys who kook best, Kreids, Boyle, Step all missed time. Fucking sked is too long & all about the bucks.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:11 am EST

Few things; can remember next to nothing on Santorelli, but remember everything about NYR machinations as they head toward a big negotiation for Eric Staal - and a full week of quiet to do it - , and bi-lateral talks with AZ. So Dreger (who is a pigeon, if a very accurate one) coming up with the name of a center suddenly surprises me not. If they like Santorelli genuinely and (coinciding with what Id gathered on Hayes) see him as reinforcement, Im ok with that call. I do like Hayes, and not cause Shaggy netted one. But we'd 100% need insurance at minimum. If they go for more, great. John Moore dud not regress in the least imo. Played very well. Coach prefers Hunwick. Once guys are in & out its very hard to nail down where they are overall. Mf all bonuses are paid far as I know. Sked; lotta back to backs, 3 in 4 nights coming. Not good for us but then the train kepps rollin, dont it. Lay off MSL you hardasses ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:07 am EST

Vic.I have to agree i thought we were outplayed to be honest this game could've been easily a blowout by Sens i didnt think we were hunrgy enough , last 6 games including game in SJ two losses to the isles and B's and last three wins i felt we were outplayed in all 6 games 30 plus shots against not good !!

ilya


Wed Jan 21 2015 12:06 am EST

When there is no one in the sky box to replace guys in the lineup , they take for granted their spots. Just having glass sometimes is not creating enough competition . Hunwick is beating dinty Moore in making his presence felt more than invisible dinty Moore.... But veenyo rotates them and they continue to win. When will he sit Hayes for a game?

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:47 pm EST

Non hockey football....http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2336984-nfl-reportedly-finds-11-of-12-balls-used-in-afc-championship-were-under-inflated

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:40 pm EST

VIC/RF4L - Actually, AV did the same thing in two games last week,,while tied or trying to protect a close lead..He first went to Stemp-Moore-Hags like last week and just playing 3 lines...But for some reason tonight, AV switched to MILLER ( who did play strong IMO) instead of STEMP..Was Stemp hurt at all? Either way, while not a direct message,AV has shown he rather not use Hayes and Fast in the 3rd period of a close game when we are tied or up.........SANTORELLI was not a name I had ever given any thought...Haven't watxhed him much last year but remember liking him last year for VAN...Good (not great) on FOs, can skate, has some skill, good defensive player and also plays in the middle of things...A clear upgrade over Hayes at C (FOs being part of thepackage) for this season if that's the way Sather wants to go..But, depends on the cost..

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:24 pm EST

not sure whats responsible for Moores breathtaking step backwards in development from last season. Hopefully not just attitude over contract negotiations, bc it is screwing him, us

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:23 pm EST

Hunwick's TOI when compared to what Moore gets in his place makes me think that AV, maybe Sather have already made up their minds on him

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:21 pm EST

Whoah: FO %s tonight: HAYES 80%, Brass 70%, Step 54%, Moore 45%, Miller 0%

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:53 pm EST

RF4L: My gut tells me that MSL signs at a hometown discount 1 year at a clip just like someone posted here earlier. He'll work with Slather (unless of course we win the cup & chomp retires & MSL decides to go out on top too :-))..... OAN, Anyone know if we're exposed to having to pay out any bonus $$ which will count against our Cap next season?

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:52 pm EST

Overall this was a pretty bad game for the Rangers against an inferior opponent. I didn't think too many guys had good games, especially on D. STAAL and HUNWICK probably played the best of that group. For the forwards I thought KREIDER and MILLER played well. Otherwise it was a sloppy and uninspired game. I'm glad they got the 2 points but they were clearly already on vacation mentally.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:49 pm EST

RF4L: I don't think it was a message to SATHER but rather a message to those players. For HAYES and FAST the message was pretty clear. They scored a goal a few shifts prior and looked to overstay a shift when they had the puck in the NZ. FAST had the puck and HAYES stayed with him on the attack instead of changing. FAST turned it over at the offensive blue line and both were too gassed to be of any use in the defensive end when the Sens scored. I think the message was "Hey you dumb rookies. It doesn't matter if you score or not in a game but you better damn well manage the puck and not get scored on. And, you better damn well get off the ice when I tell you to.". It was a rare poor decision by both of them and AV was showing them no leash or leniency. I think he handled it perfectly and I am going to bet you that the message got through to those two. As for STEMPNIAK, he really has been as useless as a 6th toe over the last two months. He started out really strong with the Rangers in October but he has been less then impressive since. I sure hope he plays more like he did in October when the playoffs come around because otherwise it was a wasted signing for sure. STEMPNIAK was guilty of some turnovers in the first half of the game and I guess AV had enough.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:47 pm EST

Not against santorelli, but a second is too much. Besides faceoffs, could prove to be a lateral move from Hayes as 3C. Better options out there and if anything we should be targeting them.

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:47 pm EST

Condensed Schedule, sounds like Talbot's going to get some starts.. From January 27th - February 28th we're booked solid with a couple of back2backs.... TUE JAN 27 RANGERS(A) ISLANDERS(H) ... THU JAN 29 CANADIENS(A) RANGERS(H) ... SAT JAN 31 HURRICANES(A) RANGERS(H) ....FEBRUARY... MON FEB 2 PANTHERS(A) RANGERS(H) .... WED FEB 4 BRUINS(A) RANGERS(H) ..... SAT FEB 7 RANGERS(A) PREDATORS(H) .... SUN FEB 8 STARS(A) RANGERS(H) .... TUE FEB 10 RANGERS(A) MAPLE LEAFS(H) .....THU FEB 12 RANGERS(A) AVALANCHE(H) .... SAT FEB 14 RANGERS(A) COYOTES(H) .... MON FEB 16 RANGERS(A) ISLANDERS(H) ..... THU FEB 19 CANUCKS(A) RANGERS(H) .....FRI FEB 20 RANGERS(A) SABRES(H) ..... SUN FEB 22 BLUE JACKETS(A) RANGERS(H) .....TUE FEB 24 FLAMES(A) RANGERS(H) .....THUR FEB 26 COYOTES(A) RANGERS(H) ...... SAT FEB 28 RANGERS(A) FLYERS(H)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:33 pm EST

Pittsburgh and Washington both lose (in OT so they each get a point). Woohoo!!

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:32 pm EST

mf: MZA is often the most physical and agitating Ranger player on the ice (which is admirable for him but not so good for the Rangers). MSL never played that way. My beef with MSL isn't that he's on the team - I like that he is (even if I don't like what Sather gave up to get him). I just think he gets way too much leeway from AV in terms of icetime when he's doing his invisible act. I don't want him gone and I hope he resigns this summer (at a discount).

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:29 pm EST

RE: Zuccarello: Zucc is approximately 27 yrs & 4.5 months old. He has played 185 NHL games with 56 goals 70 assists for 116 points……. In Martin St. Louis’ 1st 187 games he scored 37 goals 56 assists 93 point and was 27 yrs old give or take a couple of months…… In my opinion MSL is the perfect tailor made mentor for MZA at this point in both their careers.. The obvious reasons are size & stature, and the fact that they’re teammates. Every time the Rangers win MSL is at the boards congratulating the Rangers as they leave the ice.. The last player is almost always Zucc, he high fives MSL, and MSL heads off the ice in front of Zucc…. Sometimes me thinks that MSL is teaching Zucc everything he possibly can knowing that he’s passing the baton to Zucc to carry.. Zucc is one of the best players to ever come out of Norway, and if he becomes ½ to ¾ the player that MSL is, we got a keeper…..

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:16 pm EST

Hayes and Stempniak less the 8 minutes each of icetime. Fast with just over 9. AV sending Sather a message as the all-star break comes about his bottom 6? Maybe. It needs an upgrade for sure and it's coming IMO. Question is this: Will Hayes be bumped to the wing or to Hartford?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:12 pm EST

Pierre Lebrun saying Sekera, if he doesn't resign with the Canes, will be traded. Suspect, however, he may cost too much for the Rangers, especially if they acquire Santorelli.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:11 pm EST

thank you, wanna discuss E. Staals Cap hit? ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:10 pm EST

Darren Dreger saying the Rangers interested in Mike Santorellli of the Leafs, citing 1) the Rangers tried to sign him in the off-season but weren't able, due to cap restrictions, to match the Leafs offer of $1,500,000 (they apparently offered $1,000,000) 2) he's a good FO guy. I will add this, watching him as a Leaf so far: He's strong on the puck, can stickhandle and cycles well. He'd be a good fit in NY IMO. I suspect, because he's a pending UFA, he'd cost a 2nd rounder.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:00 pm EST

Good job with those MF. Our streak coinciding with you posting them . Think they just said 66-33 weve outscored teams during streak.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:00 pm EST

mf: You were asking about Daniel Winnick - solid bottom 6 forward who'd be a nice fit on the Rangers. I'd take him over Stempniak, that's for sure.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:53 pm EST

Our Goals Against are 2.318 (season low even after the two 3-0 shutouts) and our goals for are 3.05 (not a season high, the two recent shutouts knocked this number down a few ticks) Great 2 points to wrap up the first half..... yeah baby ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:49 pm EST

Condensed sked coming out of break. Games in hand + cancelled game in Buffalo to make up.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:46 pm EST

Looked like a team playing it's 4th in 6 coming off an emotional win dominating the Sequins.. sloppy IMO, but we'll take the 2.....into the break

sjw


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:43 pm EST

Sweet 2 points going into the break!!

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:43 pm EST

Kreider with 7 shots!

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:42 pm EST

3 stars: The King, the Kreider, the Hags.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:42 pm EST

Hagelin needs to that stevie, instead of slapping the puck 20 feet out into the goalie's chest.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:42 pm EST

Carl Hagelin read The Wall today tooooooooooo !

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:39 pm EST

BTW, Hayes rewarded by scoring by being benched, along with his wingers.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:38 pm EST

Kreider with a fabulous game - glad he gets the goal to tie it up. Well deserved.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:37 pm EST

MSL has invisible games without a doubt. But he's the latest Messiah on here.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:09 pm EST

Staal must feel a lot better now so he's finally turning up his offense to show he's worth 5.7 ..... Want to dance you have to pay the band...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:05 pm EST

Yep MSL sucks with that pass to 5.7 staal to kid k.... When is Hagelin going to do what kid k and nash do with his speed?

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:02 pm EST

Ahhh...YEEESCH! Raise the puck and ya score! Beauty passing play started by MSL to Staal to Kreider. Now play hard and get the next one ya nobs!

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:01 pm EST

Best Ranger tonight is the King. By far.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:59 pm EST

BTW, the Sens have won 7 straight in MSG. Huh?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:59 pm EST

2 shots on goal for that entire PP stretch. And the Rangers start this period like they've played all game. Nice job boys.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:58 pm EST

Pitt-Philly tonight is like the old days. Fights with actual punches, gestures to the crowd, anger. Man those teams truly hate each other.

Nick


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:57 pm EST

Hospo: Small and oftentimes invisible. Not much offense. He does have heart.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:57 pm EST

@emptynetters If you didn't see the Rinaldo-Letang hit, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7nr2UlQZxI … Retweeted by Andrew Gross

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:56 pm EST

KIS: LOL...I had a post written complaining about yet another ineffective game by MSL and asking why he doesn't get moved down to the 3rd line sometimes, but elected not to post it, lest it look like I'm venting before the final results of the game are in. It's almost sacreligious on here (and other Ranger boards) to criticize MSL and I'm not sure why. For sure, his periodic invisibility is due to his age (and size). It's also why I posted recently that if it comes to who gets resigned MSL vs MZA I want the latter. Of course, that got contested on here.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:51 pm EST

I hate MSL. I don't care if he gets a hat trick in the third. He is too old. He takes away PP time from zucc. e isn't a first or second line player on a good team anymore. He stands on the line and they force him the puck to shoot from no angle. He is gonna take Ranger money that could go for a god helpful player. He is gonna take a space from a young kid next season. He is a cock block for this team. Get Wayne simmonds in his place and you would see the team take off. Guy was a very good player once. Not anymore.

KIS


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:47 pm EST

who's this guy Pageau with three hits and 10-4 on FOs? Any good?

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:46 pm EST

Id say some coaching is in order between periods. See how they come out. A weeks' worth of Wall misery hangs ins the balance LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:45 pm EST

Thinking about the sandy beach, blue water and babes. Not about playing this game.

Bob


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:42 pm EST

Bring on the 2nd unit. MSL & Boyle pass more than Stepan on the PP. Nobody moving, perimeter BS- can't lose to this team

puckyou


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:40 pm EST

Terrible outing overall. These guys are already on the all-star break.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:38 pm EST

5 on 3 and they move the puck on the perimeter ad nauseum

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:38 pm EST

Just looking at the game..My boy Scrappy Hayes with a goal and 4 of 5 on the FOs? Holy Moly!

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:37 pm EST

All standing around. As they've been doing lately.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:36 pm EST

5 on 3. Here's the chance to tie it up. Crappy PP lately tho.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:36 pm EST

We're about to hand Ottawa their ass!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:35 pm EST

Rangers look like shit here. Turn-overs galore and doing at the Sens blueline what the Penguins did against them Sunday. Ridiculous. They deserve being behind. Wake up before it's too late ya nobs.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:20 pm EST

Thata' Boy SHAGGY!!!!!!! &#128513;

hipcheck


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:20 pm EST

there you go hospo. haha team still needs a third line center

KIS


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:19 pm EST

Hospo, Hayes read The Wall today. ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:18 pm EST

WwwwRaggy!.... hahahaha.....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:18 pm EST

Purple gabby

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:01 pm EST

It was February 2016 !

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 7:56 pm EST

2 hits by nyr did they count jt miller's hit as 2?

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 7:54 pm EST

Well that JFC, is a point I was making in reference to Marty St Louis. He's getting what was Zuc's PP time. And what is he doing with it? Argh...... I have otherwise banned myself from commenting on MSL. But - and I think ive been pretty good about it - that was just till February, which is right around the corner :)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 7:46 pm EST

In addition, Zuccarello-Brassard-Pouliott was the #1 PP unit for much of last season. This season, Zuccarello is on 2nd PP with less quality time and different line mates. Quite possible that if Zuccarello was on the 1st PP unit with Brass & Nash, his stats would be much better. Comparing one season's stats to another is about more than just decimal points..

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 7:40 pm EST

what bothers me is that we're getting outshot alot lately last years team was averaging 35-40 shots per almost every game they dominated games , not this years team !!!!

ilya


Tue Jan 20 2015 7:26 pm EST

Wild -- you think parsing stats tells the story about what Zuccarello means to this team? Do you think your decimal points are how AV evaluates what Zuccarello means to this team? Is that all that Zuccarello contributes...decimal points of points per game? Do you see any other valuable traits to him? Hits? Leading by example? No effect on Brassard if Zuccarello leaves? Anything? You're evaluating lie a fantasy league GM who is only interested in stats. That's not how real hockey works

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 7:21 pm EST

Yeah, that line, no complaints LOL. Not sure how to describe it. I dont think of them as our No. 1 line, even though Nash leads league in goals. Its more like now you dont see it.... now you do! Nash scores!! Haha, lovin it. But they havent grinded out many goals. IDK. They werent together to start the year. Nash was leading in shots for a while, Im sure he's still up there. A lot of time this year, its his puck. Or he's in hot pursuit of whoever took it from him. That line is different than the Puliot version, but then Nash already has (I think) 11 more goals than Puliot all year.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:50 pm EST

if the nash line wasn't producing, then it would be a problem. last year poo was on with brassard and bazookerella.

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:39 pm EST

Okay that should be 'down' and he's. So no one has to guess. If anyone even reads some of my crapola....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:36 pm EST

Havent seen it mentioned anywhere, but one reason Zucs points might be fown is Nash lol. Usually when he gets it ges goin to the house! Hahaha....I wouldnt change a thing but its not like Zuc has seen a lot of return passes. lol... Also, he was able to move his neck last year. He was very slow coming out of the gate after getting banged. Little man is the least of my worries.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:35 pm EST

I really like Zucc. But if I could bet Andrew Shaw for Zucc I would do so in a heartbeat.

Bob


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:18 pm EST

On the other hand. If Sather and co feel he isn't worth the cap space he will take up...they need to move him for max value. Especially if he keeps up this current production. Because the longer its lower, the more last season looks like an aberration.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:15 pm EST

Remember guys. Zucc couldn't sign before January 1st....and maybe since he wants to be a ranger they put him below other guys who could walk...like Staal. Have understands he won't hear much from the team due to being an RFA and I bet they have a pecking order for the UFAs and Zucc was not going to be top of the list. Free agents of any kind probably were/are ranked Staal followed closely by Stepan. Than the rest are probably about equal.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:11 pm EST

Hospo: on the center thing. It only makes sense if they are going to send HAYES to the Pack. If they bring in a 4th line only guy it's almost a wash...although depth is never bad, it won't really help. As for HAYES, I like him, and your a little hard on him, but I agree he isn't the same as early in the year. I think its the rookie wall post NCAA shorter season. Send him to Hartford, they play mostly on weekends, would let him rest a little each week. To get stronger and be there if needed due to injuries. I just don't think the Rangers need a guy who is currently a 2nd line type center, sure it would be nice...but not a must. I have reservations about Hanzel due to his probable cost, but he is the highest rated guy I would go for.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:07 pm EST

if they try to and possibly win it all with bazookerella, and are dumb enough to let him walk for free, so be it. He should not be traded because he might not be signed at the deadline. that's on sather, the guy has been a nyr 1st with his contract. that was not the case with captain Callahan and his $7 mil for 6 year demand......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 6:07 pm EST

Zucc's production is not just down "a little". Scoring at a 0.56 per game pace is worlds away from scoring at a 0.77 (last year). It seems like just a little, something like 14,15 points on the season...but that's a point once every 5 games or so....when there are losses by one goal, those 15 points can be LARGE. So if the Rangers can get a strong 3rd line guy who can get them a half point per game and can replace Zucc with a half point per game wing they will be better off production wise and position wise. The argument that you need to give up whatever to win the cup can't be tossed aside for a guy who had one great season last year and is back to his career average this year. Let's also not forget...Zucc is 27, most likely he will not improve all that much more. If the Rangers people think he is what he is this season they should move him before others see the same thing.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:56 pm EST

RR -- I agree with that assessment....add in the fact that Zucc+Brass is what has absolutely worked best in the past 2 seasons and you'd have to think the Rangers will not want to mess with theossibility that trade of Zucc would also mess up Brassard's game....killing 2 birds with one stone would be BAD in this case.

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:40 pm EST

Vic maybe idiotic is toi strong a word. Crazy. Hows that? Zuc is maybe the coach's favorite player, hes integral to the team. Even if his numbers are down a little. Hes also our grittiest & fiercest competitor up front imo. He goes nowhere. Id bet anything on it. Assets? I dont know the magic words to convey it. They dont mstter this year. Even so, you think your the only one who cares? You really think the brass is going to do something so irresponsible? They havent behaved that way getting us to this point.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:34 pm EST

VIC - Again, Only one game, but the Haggerty I watched the other night in NORFOLK is nowhere near ready to play at the speed and physical level of the NHL. ot even close. However, the kid is smart and has some good moves and vision that will hopefully help NY in the years to come. Needs to physically develop a bit more

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:32 pm EST

VIC - What reality? that Hayes has scored 1 goal in 17 games, does not generate offense for his linemates, that he doesn't hit, that he doesn't win Face offs? You want to knock down other players in comp, fine trade them also, but that says nothing about Hayes...Like I said, he was much better earlier in the season. much more active....Why the change? Other NHLers just ramped up more than hayes? The game is a little too intense for hayes right now? He hit the rookie Wall? Any or all could be possible, but it doesn't matter..Only results matter..The one silver lining to me was that I thought he played his best game in a long time the other night in Columbus and perhaps for whatever reason, that can be a sign of things to come?

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:30 pm EST

RR: No, idiotic is letting a top 6 to top 9 UFA to be walk away without dealing him at the deadline. That is why CALLY was moved. I didn't like the deal but that is why he was moved. That is why STAAL had to be resigned now. Trading MZA for SHAW solves a problem that some perceive at 3rd line center this year for the playoffs. SHAW is a UFA to be but is a much easier singing in terms of Cap hit then MZA. Even if the Rangers didn't resign him they would still get have the draft pick so they salvage an asset moving forward. The Rangers have other options on the wing (HAGGERTY) or they could move HAYES to that wing.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:23 pm EST

JFC: I'm not against trading for anyone....if the trade makes sense both now and in the future. That is where I differ with HOSPO. If the Rangers feel it is best for the team and for HAYES to move to wing or to Hartford I am all for it. The only reason I am posting all this and have taken up the HAYES defense is because I completely disagree with some of the comments that have been made about him here. He is anything but a liability in the areas that the coaching staff values most. In fact, in terms of puck management and possession he is one of this team's best players. He isn't a defensive liability and he isn't an offensive liability. The numbers show it. The ONLY thing he really lacks is faceoff prowess. And, the reality is that if the STEPAN and BRASSARD weren't so bad on draws nobody would care. So the inability of the first two centers is held against HAYES. I also happen to think that the very people who are insisting that someone else be brought in to be the 3rd line Center because HAYES sucks on draws would still find another reason for a trade if HAYES was at 50%. They don't like him because he isn't what they perceive a 3rd line center should be. They don't like him because he is a gangly kid who isn't physical and doesn't play with an edge. And they are entitled to that opinion. What I objected to was were things being said that didn't jive with reality. The numbers bear that out.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:21 pm EST

I believe that Montreal was said to be seeking a defenseman (unsure which side) when mentioning Ellers name.

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:13 pm EST

No offense but its not interesting when we're even theoretically taking Zuccarello off the team during a Cup run and accepting futures. It's idiotic.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 5:03 pm EST

Moore is not fitting the bill. There is a definite dropoff in offense after the second line. Eller would work for me, but I doubt they would move him for nothing

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:55 pm EST

VIC - Those numbers mean little to me...GIve me those numbers for HAYES for the last 15 games when the NHL game has ramped up,...He's a different player than he was earlier in the season when he actiually threw a check and was generating some offense...He's not the same player, whether it' him or just relative

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:54 pm EST

Vic -- would you be against trading for a center if all it meant was Hayes moves to wing? Is your concern that the kid will get sent down/lose his spot or do you feel that he is our best option at 3rd line center going into the POs?

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:51 pm EST

WILD - the question is do we really want two of those type of players when we already have DOM MOORE fitting the bill? And I know MOORE is versatile and can move up a bit here and there but i'd rather not....Rather have somebody that can take FOs , play a 2-way game and replace HAYES

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:51 pm EST

Vic: especially the Hayes to wing part...he would be sent to the Pack before they move him from center. He is a center for the Rangers. Every statement about him by the Rangers makes it certain they see him as a center and the mo sing of Miller to wing makes it even more obvious since the reduced their centers by 1 by doing so. Any C comes in and Hayes will be sent down to play big minutes in the AHL.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:45 pm EST

BTW, one trade that I saw speculated was MZA for ANDREW SHAW and a 1st round pick in 2015. The speculation was that the Rangers can't afford to resign MZA and SHAW could slot in as the #3 Center moving HAYES to the wing. Interesting proposal that could help both teams but I doubt either will make that move.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:36 pm EST

And, in the continuing theme of blowing misconceptions out of the water lets dive a little further into those stats....shall we. BRASSARD is having a good season, no? He is on his best points career pace, is he not? He is playing with NASH and MZA so he has two, very creative and capable offensive players on his wings. And HAYES just doesn't cut it offensively for a 3rd line center, right? Let's take a closer look at the numbers. BRASSARD plays 17.76 minutes a night. He plays over 3 minutes a night on the PP. HAYES plays 12.18 minutes a night. He doesn't play the PP. Officially he averages 8 seconds per game on the PP. And, HAYES doesn't get to play with NASH and MZA. He gets to play with 2 bottom 6 players who cannot create offense, aren't playmakers and aren't finishers. With all that said lets see what the numbers look like when you subtract out the PP points for BRASSARD. Without PP points BRASSARD has 7 goals and 13 assists. And, subtracting out those 3 PP minutes per night he is still playing 2.5 minutes more a night then HAYES. HAYES has 5 goals and 10 assists. HAYES is playing at a 1.85 point per 60 minutes pace. If we take those 2.5 minutes per game over 40 games he has played 100 less minutes then BRASSARD. At 1.85 points per 60 minutes that projects out to a hair over 3 points. So BRASSARD has put up 20 points at even strength playing with NASH and MZA. HAYES, with the same ice time, projects out to 18 points playing with HAGS and FAST. Now, the kicker is that BRASSARD is an 8 year NHL veteran. HAYES has played 40 games. BRASSARD is a negative possession player per game. HAYES is a positive possession player per game.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:35 pm EST

Hospo: I had looked and found like 6 centers who would on many teams be a 3rd/4th line guy who was good on draws and playing for a team likely to move guys out. I think Sather will go that route if possible. Those guys are not a big cap hit and come for much less than the bigger names.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:33 pm EST

Over the last week or so, I heard Lars Eller's name mentioned... Les Habs are still licking their wounds over the Gomez/McDonagh trade, so trading with them again may take a generation, but ELLER is intriguing... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6418

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:25 pm EST

MF - That's an option..If you wanted to go that way, FO centers who might be avaialble could include GORDON (EDM), MCCLEMENT and NASH from CAR and Verne FIDDLER from DAL.There are probably others

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:11 pm EST

Edmonton's BOYD GORDON is solid in the face-off circle: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3143

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 4:02 pm EST

Hospo: I'm thinking along the lines of a lower tier center for our 3rd line and the possibility of bringing in a substantial wing....... The high profile centers bandied about here could get signed ahead of us, so we need a plan "B." ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 3:53 pm EST

MF - AA Would definitely be an improvement on what we have NOW at 3rdC but I would like to shoot a little higher in terms either offense or grit and FO success..

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 3:50 pm EST

Toronto's Daniel Winnick: (can we get a scouting report out of Mrs.RF4L? ...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4856

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 3:40 pm EST

Any feedback on ANISIMOV for a 3rd line center? t/y

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 3:23 pm EST

R47: Vermette is your man in that post of yours... He's playing 19:00 minutes per, and being on the Yotes just might have something to do with those lousy possession numbers VIC posted........... No one said this next move or two would be perfect science...

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 3:16 pm EST

If we got Staal, wed essentially have 1A and 1B lines with Brassard centering 3rd (getting ice time more like a 2nd). If you look at recent Cup winners, this is the kind of forward depth they had. Practically overkill

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:21 pm EST

JFC: I don't disagree. That is why I have been saying for weeks that MILLER should be on that line instead of HAGS. MILLER-HAYES-FAST and HAGS-MOORE-STEMPNIAK is how those two lines should look. MILLER can take draws in the defensive end for HAYES. Another option is to see what HAGERTY can add on the right wing with HAYES. I'd sit STEMP for a few games and play FAST with MOORE and HAGS. The point I am making is that HAYES is on an island on that line right now. He has nobody with him that can move the puck and/or score effectively. If you put VERMETTE in that same situation you aren't going to get scoring out of him either. I love HAGS as a player but he has been terrible offensively. He has had so many scoring chances and he either hits the post, misses the net or puts it into the chest of the goalie. He has been so snake-bitten.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:21 pm EST

WILD - And if you get a wing amd HAYES is still losing 65% of the draws? ...............................Look, I know it's not all HAYES' faullt that the bottom lines aren't scoring..BUT it's pretty simple...We need bottom two line scoring..bottom two line scrapiness and most of all, somebody that can help DOM MOORE take FOs and win puick possesion...More then likely, becasue of the critical FOs, that player should be a Center...and the player that should be replaced is HAYES..becasue of the needs..and current performance..I find it hard to see it any other way

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:17 pm EST

We also need to consider that we are very thin in offensive centers should either Stephan or Brassard get injured in the playoffs. Hayes isn't moving up and D Moore is not a reasonable answer either. That leaves Miller or a callup from the AHL. We could REALLY use a third line center who could step into the 2C role if needed....

Ranger47


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:15 pm EST

Vic _ the problem is, in addition to being horrendous on FOs (and frequently losing the puck possesion on them) and not good defensively,..he isn't doing a good enogh job distributing the puck..shooting the puck or anything with the puck..Numbers don't lie over 15 -20 games.....If he did, his linemates goal totals would be up..Personally, I think he has been failing in every part of the game..you look at it your way, the way I look at it, without a doubt, Hags and Fast numbers would go up with any other center on the team.....And hey, if Fast and Hags are part of the problem, slide them down or get rid of them also..They have produced NOTHING..But AV loves him some Haysey and Quickie!

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:15 pm EST

JVR, Simmonds, I'd like both.....

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:11 pm EST

I also agree that the 3rd line must be a bigger threat to score. However it doesn't have to come from center. If they can find a guy who can score goals from the wing that could work as well. Just tossing that out there.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 2:00 pm EST

Vic -- Hospo's point is very valid IMO....you can't go into the PO with the top 2 lines exclusively being the offensive threats. The 3rd line has to score way more than it has been and provide a lot more consistent pressure than it has been. The same goes for the 4th line, sans the need for as much scoring. When you get deep in the POs, the best teams will have enough defensive depth to concentrate it on the top 2 lines and/or on the top scorers. Without a 3rd line that can consistently take advantage of having lesser match ups and put the puck in the net on a regular basis, we won't make it very far.

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:42 pm EST

HOSPO: As the duly appointed spokesman for "Some People" I can only respond that your criticism of the lack of scoring of the 3rd line is unfair at best. First, HAYES is a playmaker not a scorer. His role on that line is to distribute the puck because neither FAST or HAGS can. FAST may grow into that a little more over time but I don't see great playmaker written all over him. HAGS has no playmaking skills. HAYES has been setting HAGS up often but HAGS can't finish this year no matter who he plays with. HAYES got to play with MSL for a period and a half in Boston and fed MSL with three glorious passes that should have been high quality scoring chances. MSL blew all three. I'll tell you what, you switch HAYES and BRASSARD in the lineup and I'm going to bet you $20 HAYES numbers shoot up and BRASSARD's drop off significantly. And even though that line hasn't been scoring it hasn't been scored on much either. They are all plus players so defensively they are getting the job done when they are on the ice. And finally, you need to keep in mind that this coach values puck management over everything else. In that sense HAYES is a superstar. AV called STAAL the best defenseman in the NHL after he resigned. Why do you think he said that? Was it a knock on McDONAGH and GIRARDI? Was he trying to get them motivated. Maybe. But maybe all you need to do is look at the turnover ratios of all three and you will see why. Both GIRARDI (-16)and McDONAGH (-13) have been awful. STAAL is +6. STAAL has done a much better job of managing the puck. He is the only plus Ranger Dman with HUNWICK the closest at -2 and KLEIN the worst at -18.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:34 pm EST

Wild: That's a valid point, but it's a 100% thing. For example, it's safe to say that the Kings likely wouldn't have captured the cup if they hadn't added Gaborik last winter. And how interesting to see he's been just ok in his first full season as a King (due to injuries - surprise, surprise) on pace for a 70 game 30 goal season.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:30 pm EST

RR: Re Talbot and the POs - let's agree to disagree. Meaningless really because we're playing GM here and as such, all pure conjecture. I think only 1 thing is a given: Sather will make a move (or 2) by the deadline.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:25 pm EST

WILD - I kinda disagree...Championships are extremley hard to come by, EVERYTHING has to come together that year be it trades , call-ups, breakthroughs, whatever...and I think it would be foolish to say something like "but, they would have won anyway without the rental they traded for and played in 25 PO games"....Of course, it's better to get a player that has a few more years, but then you have to consider the price...all about evaluation and cost-benefit analysis of individual deals.

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:21 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-coyotes-rumors-swirl-after-dubnyk-trade/

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:17 pm EST

Hank could get 7-10 days in the 2nd round. Talbot's your bridge. No tellin. Cant ask much more of your backup. Excellent last year, on-off this year. But when hes on the lights are out. Goal is no place to be taking chances.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:14 pm EST

Hospo: I tried this post once and it didn't go...so this is a shortened version.....I should have been more clear when I spoke about rentals. Its not that the TEAM can't do well, or even win the cup, but it is rare that the rental has a really big hand in it. Like you could remove them and the team would still win. ON the other hand guys seem to get much better their second year with a team. just look at MSL. post trade last season vs this season is night and day. MSL could have a major impact in this years post season, way more of one than last years post season. That is why I am against rentals, and would rather get a guy with a year or two left.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:06 pm EST

Great stats for Talbot, even as a backup.... 4-2-0, 1.42, .951 IN LAST 7 GPI

RF73


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:58 pm EST

Cam Talbot's stats: (which include 3 shutouts) ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7933

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:55 pm EST

No RR, I mean now and the end of the regular season. Talbot will only see game action if the King gets hurt or the Rangers are sucking. If it's the former, I've seen nothing from him to suggest he's got the ability to backstop a team deep in the NHL POs. He might, but it's a huge risk. IMO, the Rangers go nowhere if the King isn't playing and playing well. Talbot, come PO time, is an after thought. All that said, it's important that the King get some decent downtime over the next 40 games (preferably plays around 30). Does Skapski, at this point in his career, have the ability to play up to 10 NHL games at a reasonable quality? Dunno, but if there's a market for Talbot, it's worth exploring.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:51 pm EST

RF: seems like you're fine tuning with a wrecking ball... Talbot is your number one insurance policy, doubt he goes anywhere before our season concludes... I'd rather brainstorm how we can land a couple of wings than trade Talbot........

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:50 pm EST

Rf, you mean the risk is now till end of playoffs. No can do. After that, yeah hes gonna have to go. Wants to in fact.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:47 pm EST

RR: Talbot will never be more than he is in NY with the King around (which is a goalie who plays 15 games a season). The risk is between now and the end of the regular season. Can Skapski play 5 to 8 games at the NHL level? I've no idea but he's been very good in his first professional season with the Pack. It's a risk no doubt, but so is trading 2 firsts for a 38 year old small forward, just like trading away someone like Duke for a rental is.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:44 pm EST

That deal could perhaps be expanded to try to land Sekera (probably would have to be if you're losing Moore). So, perhaps Miller, Moore, Talbot and Buch for Staal, Brodziak and Sekera, with Ward going to the WIld.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:43 pm EST

Id give ya big points for creativity RF. But theyd have to pry Talbot from my cold hands!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:42 pm EST

Smells like a 3 team trade, how creative! ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:41 pm EST

WILD - Obviously there are at least several trades of rentals a year and only one CUP champion, so it's hard to say many "work"..But to me, it's worth the cahnce...Most CUP winners add the missing ingredient at the deadline--some rentals, some long term, some old vets on their last legs...2014 - Kings (Gabby); 2013 - Hawks (HANDSUZ as rental); 2012 - Kings (Carter); 2011 - Bruins (Kaberle, Peverly (rentals) and Kelly)...2010 - HAWKS - NOTHING; 2009 - Pitt (Guerin (rental)/Kunitz); 2008 - DET (Stuart); 2007 - DUCKS (NOTHING); 2006 - Caroline _ Weight and Recchi (rentals)...Bottom line, is you have to be smart about it and you can succceed with Rentals or longer term deals

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:40 pm EST

Yeah MF ;) Im trying to stitch together what is really a pretty simple narrative; one we've seen countless times in big$ NY.Sather has his team poised and is preying on those less fortunate. Everything else is scenery.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:39 pm EST

mf: IMO, Talbot hasn't shown he can carry a team like that.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:38 pm EST

How's this for an interesting, albeit far-fetched and rather significant trade proposal: To Carolina: Miller, Moore, Talbot. To Minnesota: Cam Ward. To New York: Eric Staal and Kyle Brodziak. Carolina would have to eat some of Staal's cap hit but they rid themselves of the Cam Ward contract. Minnesota gets a goalie. The Rangers get the cup.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:35 pm EST

RF: The Cup

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:34 pm EST

It's in the thread? Now you're a seamstress? ;-) His Cap Hit is $8.25million per ..... Hurricanes re-sign Eric Staal for 7 years CBC Sports Posted: Sep 11, 2008 11:57 AM ET Last Updated: Sep 11, 2008 3:13 PM ET……. The Carolina Hurricanes announced Thursday they have signed centre Eric Staal to a seven-year, $57.75-million US contract extension. Staal, 23, will earn $8.25 million per season in a deal that begins with the 2009-10 NHL campaign and extends through 2015-16………..http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/hurricanes-re-sign-eric-staal-for-7-years-1.744590

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:31 pm EST

If Eric Staal is acquired, who would be the 3rd line center?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:29 pm EST

mf: Win what? A game here and there? Or the cup?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:28 pm EST

On second thought, pass on Jordan - signed until the end of the 21/22 season. Yikes.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:28 pm EST

RF: Talbot seems untouchable IMO... This team is confident that they can win with him between the pipes... I wouldn't tinker with that.......

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:27 pm EST

Well lookit, Im not going thru the cap slide stuff again. Its in this thread about ten times. His actual cap hit is 8.5, salary 9.5. Wild you said it, MSL will be the casualty, next year.imwo. Im worried about this year first. Lets get him here & get our hands on the damn Cup, or at least hope to take our very best crack at it. RF Sekera maybe being involved expands and complicates it, but MONEY is like an extra player in this deal, in OUR favor. We'd be wiping over $10M off their books next year, that franchise is in distress and Francis got his marching orders. Based on what was a pretty obvious, strategic leak from Zippay the other day, sure sounds like JT Miller is the centerpiece going the other way. What else, could be a million combinations.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:25 pm EST

ERIC STAAL: Salary & Cap figures: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/cap/ .......... ERIC STAAL: Salary & Cap figures: HockeyBuzz salary this yr: $9.25 mill, next year: $9.5mill, Avg cap hit $8.25mill...http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CAR ...........ERIC STAAL: Salary & Cap figures: http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/CAR?year=2015

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:21 pm EST

mf: MMmm....maybe you can offer one up, seeing as Skapski is doing so well in the AHL this year. Keep him and offer up Halverson (because I think the Russian kid has more upside). Or include Talbot and call up Skapski? That's a risk but IMO if come PO time you're starting Talbot it's because the King is hurt or the team is about to be eliminated. Therefore, the risk is between the day the trade occurs and the end of the regular season because the King needs some games off. There are teams looking for goalie help including the Oilers and the Wild.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:16 pm EST

RF: if I may add, nor our goalie prospects

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:16 pm EST

BTW, what makes more sense from a Rangers need perspective is acquiring Jordan Staal, not Eric. Jordan would make an excellent 3rd line center - big, strong, checks well and has some offensive skill. The only negativity is he's not very physical and certainly isn't mean. He's also a little cheaper (but still overpriced at $6,000,000 so I think some salary has to be eaten by the Canes). He'll cost something like Duke and Moore, tho I think (if he's even available).

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:16 pm EST

Rabid: the Canes would have to eat at least 2 mil of Staals cap hit. He is at 9.5 mil this year and next, and it wouldn't work to have a guy making 9.5 mil next season. Even if you send Brass, his cap is 5 mil, for the next 3 or 4 years after this one....its a cap friendly deal, Staal coming in would mean that either one or both of MSL and Zucc would be gone unless the Canes eat some salary...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:14 pm EST

RR: And your trade proposal to land Staal?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:13 pm EST

Hospo: Agreed on Hayes and I've been saying that same thing on here for weeks about the lack of scoring from his line being in large part because he doesn't generate offensive chances enough. IMO, it needs to be addressed before the POs. Easier, however, said than done. I'm for acquiring Vermette but at the price of a rental only (like say a prospect that isn't McI, Skeji, Bush, Duke and a 2nd).

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:10 pm EST

A combination of things make me think Staal will be their choice, starting with his size & what Id call a slight but definite edge. None of the other possibilities we believe are on the market have that, excepting Handzel, and Staal scores twice as much. Hes probably the smartest guy, he & Vermette, and also I have that same slightly queasy feeling as when we knew MSL was coming. Hes not going to get rattled coming here, and youd think thered be no chemistry issues, especially with Marc here. Im not sure what itd fo to the lines but all around it seems most feasible. Hes a sure thing for a certain level of play(like St Louis) and Sather wisely recognizes that and will lean toward it imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:06 pm EST

JFC: I made that argument yesterday...trading picks is NOT the same as trading young talent that you have some sort of handle on.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:00 pm EST

RF -- yep, MSL was an elite return on the trade because he paid huge dividends in the POs, he's 3rd on the team in scoring this season, he provides great leadership and he most likely will sign next season at a cap-friendly figure. Also, trading draft picks is very different than trading actual young players who have shown thatbtheynare the real deal.

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:49 am EST

I would not like a trade for VERMETTE. Its so rare that a rental works out. Heck, even look at the AVS, they got Bourque, it wasn't THAT year it was the next season they won the cup. I would like a C they go for to have 1 or 2 years left. the WORST that happens is a kid like Hayes or Lindberg force the team to move a center next season....having a pending UFA come in means that you most likely give up assets for nothing at all.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:47 am EST

Are we going to split hairs with words? ..... In my clueless worthless opinion, "we're not strong enough" up the middle. Stepan & Brassard are finesse guys that don't impose physical fear in anyone.. As for Hayes, he of long & lanky who is still filling out, is another who instills zero physical fear in the competition..... SO, if we're staying put up the middle, my suggestion is we get stronger on the wing/s.......

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:45 am EST

Also, there is a point to maybe not having the redundnacy of BRASS and STEP, and really you can go even further to HAYES, MOORE and the top guy in the AHL, LINDBERGER..They ae all the same type of player, kinda non-physical, skillful, smart with the puck,, good passers and none except Moore are good at FOs.....However, dealing a BRASSARD or STEPAN is an off-season move

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:44 am EST

And for comparison, VERMETTE is at 55.6% on draws but turns the puck over at negative ratio. He is at -.49 per game. HANZAL, on the other hand, is better on draws at 57.5% and is a positive turnover ratio player at .7 per game. He is younger and bigger then VERMETTE.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:39 am EST

VIC: Right now I think the Canes have been using at LW...and he has never been great face-off guy....it might be a wash with Brass....hard to tell for sure because Staal would have better players around him in NY, but its not guarantee.....and he is in a set up role when at center in CAR, in NY with Zucc he could be in the trigger position more often. So it might work out well...but still....his point production has gone down two season in a row if you count this one. I know he has injuries, and a big one, but you have to worry he will never get "it" back.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:39 am EST

Just a few numbers for the Rangers "3rd line"..HAYES 1G in 17 GAMES, FAST 1G in 18 GAMES, and HAGS 1 GOAL IN 14 GAMES...A line is often fueled by it's center...Also, Given the offensive inadeqaucies of the 4th line/Moore line, which is still much better all around then Hayes' line, this is unacceptable....Throw in the Fact that the Rangers are 29th in the NHL in FO percentage and HAYES is probably the worst in the NHL right now...Well, I just don't understand how some people can say that the Rangers do not have a weakness at 3rd C that needs to be filled...IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE CUP.....GET THAT CENTER...be it a rental (VERMETTE) or a more long term answer (Staal, Hanzal, whoever)....it's all about the CUp, nothing else...ONE in 75 years folks...

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:38 am EST

BTW, BRASSARD is at 47% on draws and is a negative turnover ratio player. STEPAN and MOORE are positive turnover ratio players at .88 per game and .69 per game respectively.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:25 am EST

WILDCARD: I agree that calling what the Rangers have up the middle with STEPAN and BRASSARD a glaring weakness probably doesn't fit right now. It has been in the past and I still think when compared to some of the better teams it still is a weakness from a size and skating perspective. I also agree that STEPAN has emerged as a point a game player. Wouldn't the Rangers be much stronger if it was STEPAN and E. STAAL up the middle though? That is much more formidable to me then STEPAN and BRASSARD with a VERMETTE or MALHOLTRA type player centering the 3rd line. Every team shortens the bench in the playoffs. Your #1 and #2 are going to play the lion-share of the minutes.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:21 am EST

JFC: Therein lays the rub: The definition/interpretation of 'elite return'. Do you consider MSL as that?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:17 am EST

When you have promising young guys in the system as young as Duclair, Buch & Hayes are, there is no need to trade them....they can easily put in 2-3 years below the NHL level and STILL be very young when they permanently make the big show. Yes, sometimes you make a trade of a great prospect, but IMO it only makes sense if you're getting an elite return...something that you know is going to help tremendously RIGHT NOW and lasts at least a couple of years going forward

JFC31


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:10 am EST

RF4L: You make a good point with the NCAA UFA angle. No way to the Rangers trade Hayes, well, unless TBL offers up Stamkos and a first....that would be easy to explain away...but that wont happen....so Hayes is staying, and rightly so, he could in a season or two force them to move Brass, either to the 3rd line role, or to a trade. Hell if he really develops to his top potential he could move Step to #2 and Brass of the team....he has a high high ceiling...unfortunately many players never reach their full potential....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:08 am EST

mf: No they are not in any rush. Knowing someone who works within the org, and from the rumors out there, they understand that while their goal is the cup every year, that their top player are young and they need D. Even with 1 Dman coming in they know it may not be enough with the teams they would need to go through. They are in no rush. They would rather wait and get top value for ROR than move him for less now. The worst that happens is they miss the playoffs and get a top 10 or so pick....Sakic and Roy have shown that they will be patient, and not rush into things...they want a team that will be a threat to win the cup year in and year out, and they know they can't force that. So they will wait with ROR if they think they can do better in a trade in the offseason.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:04 am EST

Vic: Good points on Hayes. He looks like the real deal and should evolve into a top 2 center. After all these years of waiting for a big skilled center, trading him now makes no sense. And what message does that send to the next collegiate UFA Sather targets? I think at this point, Hayes is almost as untouchable as the King.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:04 am EST

VIC: Top two C is hardly a glaring need. Stephan is on pace to be one of a few Centers who gets a point per game for a season. Over the past few seasons its been 8-10 centers who get a point per game...thats good company. Brass, while isn't the best 2nd line guy in the NHL is on pace for 68 points this seasons. That would have tied him for 12th last season tied Towes (76 games played) and only a point behind Krejci and 2 behind Duchene and Kopitar. So really, a "glaring" need for an upgrade? Right now BOTH Stepan and Brass are in the top 20 for points per game and Brass is 13th (tied with 11th) with 14 PP points among centers. IMHO the top two are fine...unless you are getting one of the other top 10-12 centers to replace him, you will be downgrading the top 6. The 3rd line center however (you make a good argument for Hayes and I agree) can be upgraded, not by skill, but at the dot (hayes takes less draws because AV can't use him to take important ones) and with an overall game. A VERY god 3rd line center can have a big impact. Not that Hayes is bad, but I think going into the post season with a more veteran guy there would be good. AND it would give depth that may be needed, It would nice to have Hyaes available to recall if there was an injury at the C position, and not "just" Lindberg or to be forced to use Miller who even AV has now publicly said looks better at wing.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 11:02 am EST

Wild: Because Myers has the ability to be a number 1 defenseman for years to come.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:58 am EST

The AV's are 5-3-2 in their last 10, just lost 3-1 to the Blues in a division game.. They are -13 in the GF/GA differential.. They Suck! But they're in no rush....

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:55 am EST

The AV's have played 45 games, sit in 20th place overall in the league and 2nd to last in their division, "and" they're in no hurry? Do they want to make the playoffs?

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:53 am EST

One other piece of Food for Thought.....Analyzing The Average Age of Stanley Cup Winning Teams (http://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nhl/analyzing-the-average-age-of-stanley-cup-winning-teams.aspx).................BTW, in case you are interested the Rangers current average age is: 28.19

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:50 am EST

mf: AVS are playing hardball...100% sure if that was the offer they would say "Send your first plus a Dman, and we will send O'Reilly by himself" No way they will give up a high pick and ROR for a player...no way...they don't have to move him. And in fact they could get more if they wait until summer. Extensions can't be made until after July 1 for ROR due to his contract status. So a team like BUF who may want him, and want to extend him first thus giving the AVS more in return would be more willing to make a deal then. The AVS are in no hurry.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:49 am EST

MF: GLEASON isn't a AV type player. SEKERA is much more like what AV wants on D.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:46 am EST

IMO Toronto should be offering GARDINER or PHANEUF to the AV's for O'Reilly & their 1st or 2nd.... The Leafs need a center, must dump salary, and shake things up....

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:44 am EST

RF4L: That would probably get it done, but why would the Ragners want to do that? To have to face Miller, Hags and McIlrath perhaps many times in the season and the playoffs could be rough. We know what Hags speed does to teams, Miller is getting better, and McIlrath could turn into a terror that the Rangers could use. Myers is good, and big, no huge, but he doesn't play like that, he has a gentle style for his size, and I don't know if I would want to give up THAT much for him.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:43 am EST

I've argued for years here that the Rangers are weak up the middle. I don't see the glaring need for a 3rd line Center though. I do see a glaring need for an upgrade in one of the top 2 Centers. That represents a major change in chemistry though so I don't think a deal like that will happen. If it were going to I think E. STAAL would be the logical target from an age perspective. BRASSARD would have to be going the other way in that deal with other prospects and picks. Since a deal that big isn't likely I don't think we will see a move for another Center. I'll break down the numbers a bit to show you why. HAYES is horrible on draws, right? Quantitatively what does that mean? HAYES takes about 8.5 draws a game on average. He wins about 2.9 of them on average. He would need to win a little over 1.25 draws more a game to be at 50%. That is it. Not such a big deal when you think about 1.25 draws a game over the course of the game. Now, HAYES is currently 21st in the league in turnover ratio. He is averaging a plus 1.97 turnovers a game, meaning he takes away the puck from the opposition two times more a game then he has given it away. From a puck possession perspective HAYES is a net positive player. Couple that with the way he manages and transports the puck out of the defensive end and you have what the coaching staff sees as a VERY valuable player. This is why they like him so much RR. As I've mentioned before when HAYES gets the puck in the defensive end 9 times out of 10 any pressure the other team was applying is over. Done. Not only does he transport and move the puck out of the defensive zone so well, his line usually ends up getting the puck deep in the offensive end. This has been a huge problem with every other line when the Rangers are under pressure. The other lines just try to lob the puck out to center. Many times those lobs get knocked down at the blue line. Even when they don't the opposition has the puck at center ice and comes right back in the zone. That is what happened against the Islanders and Bruins. Also, at a +2 on the season HAYES has not been a defensive liability. He should have two more goals (one was wrongly disallowed and one was credited to HAGS in Buffalo that went off of HAYES before go in). He should also have a lot more assists but HAGS can't finish and the MSL was a zero in Boston when HAYES was playing with him and set him up 3 times. HAYES has created chances.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:40 am EST

All this SEKERA talk in the press, surprised that there is very little about TIM GLEASON.. UFA after this season & a LHS Dman.....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2485

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:37 am EST

MYERS is a RHS, who are you moving to make room? ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:37 am EST

Vic: While I agree Moore would most likely be in a deal for Sekera, it depends on what the Canes want. If they want a young forward and a pick thats what will go. I mean they may get focused on Fast or Miller and like a 3rd/4th rounder or something. It really depends on what they think of their players in the system who are ready for the next step. If they like their young D they may not want to get one back, if they feel they are perfect at Forward, they wont want that back. Its hard to tell though from the outside...they don't have much in any position up and coming....so really, they need everything.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:36 am EST

The Hockey New's take on SEKERA: Assets: Has excellent mobility from the back end. Likes to lug the puck up ice when confident. Is an excellent passer and usually displays plenty of cool under pressure. Can log big minutes. Displays a lot of offensive ability............. Flaws: Is not at all physical and can get manhandled by bigger forwards at the National Hockey League level. Could use a bit more bulk. Must become more of an offensive take-charge guy, but not too fancy............. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4791

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:35 am EST

I'd love to see Myers on the Rangers but suspect the Sabres will want too much in return. Would Miller/Hags/McI get it done I wonder?

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:34 am EST

mf: Or the Aves let the Sabres, ahead of the deal, discuss a new deal with O'Reilly and consummate the trade only if an agreement is achieved. The Sabres would be foolhardy to trade away Myers and risk having O'Reilly for a year and a half only. No doubt that trade won't happen without a new contract agreement in place.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:32 am EST

Sekera, BTW, will be 29 in June, is 6' 200lbs, strong his skates and has some offensive upside. He's decent in his own zone, too.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:32 am EST

RF: I read that AV/Sabre scenario yesterday.. Think the AV's will need to agree to pony up something in addition in the event O'Reilly does NOT resign with Buffalo............... Philthy down to 4 defensemen, are to call someone up from their farm

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:29 am EST

Vic: I concur that it makes sense Sather is looking Sekera. He would be a nice addition and a definite upgrade over Hunwick/Moore.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:27 am EST

mf: If the Rangers DO get a Dman and it doesn't cost them one of their current top 6, with the number of teams wanting D and the number of D injured Sachet could spin Moore for a 2nd or a late first. Teams get crazy at the deadline, if they have the option Sather should use it, because I just can't see the Rangers keeping Moore long term. With two kinds in Hartford who have had some NHL time and didn't look too bad (no worse than Moore on some nights) in Allen and McIlrath, and with Skjei on the way it seems like Moore will be pushed out or made the 7th (not good for a guy so young) as early as camp. I think Sather should shop him if they can get another D back, even if it is a UFA...not the same deal necessarily, but lets say, a mid level prospect for a UFA to be vet Dman who can be a number 5/6, and than trade Moore for a second or a 3rd. No use in keeping him if you wont use him moving forward. Not MUCH risk there either. Every FA period has a ton of 5/6 Dmen who can be had at a low cost....and you have the kids getting ready as I mentioned.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:26 am EST

Several things to think about this morning. I'll try to break them up into multiple posts for HOSPO's sake. First, I think the Rangers are looking to bring in an upgrade at the 6th defender spot for the playoffs. SEKERA has been rumored to be a target all year and I think that is probably the move that happens. MOORE will be going the other way in the deal and probably something else from Hartford would be my guess. HUNWICK will be the #7 for the playoffs. I think the Rangers are really comfortable with their situation in goal and in their top 5 defensemen. BOYLE is a liability on the ice defensively but he has helped the PP and is involved offensively.

Vic


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:21 am EST

RF4L: Exactly on what the AVS want in return. They would listen if Sather called and offers Staal...MAYBE Klien...but probably not. You want Moore to be the Dman, Allen or McIlrath would have to go as well, and Miller, and another prospect....far too much to give up, and too much risk down the road. Cant pay that much for a guy you get for a season and a half(or less)

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:19 am EST

Wild: Worse with O'Reilly is that he's an UFA the end of next season and will be looking for a raise, perhaps even as high as $7,500,000 on a long term deal. At that sort of money and with Stepan and Brassard already fixtures in the top 6, he makes no sense as a Ranger. It just isn't happening. And finally, he'll cost plenty in terms of assets. Miller and Moore won't get it done. There are rumours out there saying that the Aves and the Sabres have discussed a one for one swap of O'Reilly for Tyler Myers. Moore and MIller wouldn't fetch you Myers, either.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:18 am EST

injuries to defensemen may help teams look the other way, good ol supply & demand syndrom... .. Yesterday, TBL's Carle was reported to be out for up to 8 weeks..

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:14 am EST

RF4L: Agree once again. going and getting a center that already makes, or will make 6 mil to be the 3rd line guy will put us on a position the Rangers just escaped buying out Richards. It wasn't just his play slipping from his top level, it was the amount he was making as a 3rd line center. If there was no cap not tomalley would have had an issue if he was around another season as the 3rd line C.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 10:11 am EST

Yes, to think they could have done nothing and had Ben Bishop, or just retained Halak... //// Sobotka's award was pretty cap friendly. Armstrong said he liked the award. If Sobotka wants back in, they would take him, but now there's a log jam at center. Do they trade him, or Stastny, or Oshie? In any event, Sobotka hasn't indicated that he wants back in the NHL, and certainly other GMs may be leery of his attempt to counter team arbitration rights

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:44 am EST

O'Reilly's contract is like Vermette's will be and the Rangers cannot afford it, nor does it make sense to have your 3rd line center making $6,000,000 (or more). I strongly believe neither will be Rangers.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:38 am EST

Just looked him up. He has an arbitration award. If he comes back to the NHL he gets one year of 2.725. Than he is an RFA. So IF the Rangers wanted him, they would probably need to be able to negotiate before and agree to an extension (even if they can't sign it until a later date I think) so he would want to come back and play that one year at under 3 mil...he also had signed a 3 year deal in the KHL, I bet its for more money, and unless his team is one of those having a hard time making payroll I doubt he will see a value in doing so.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:30 am EST

PatrickDiv: I think that depends on the contract hangup. If he wants...I don't know...Staal/Giradi/McD money than he can stay in the KHL. If its over some kind of NMC or NTC that is workable, than MAYBE....but it all depends on what he wants and why he can't get it from the Blues.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:27 am EST

Any thoughts on looking into Sobotka from the Blues currently playing in the KHL over a contract dispute?

PatrickDiv


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:27 am EST

gene_carr: Thats FAR FAR too much for O'Reilly. He really had one great year and the rest have been OK. Yes he is a good player, but WAY overpaid thanks to that offer sheet from the flames. The rumors out here in Colorado, from the local sources (like A. Dater) say that the AVS and O'Reilly have agreed that there will not be another contract. The AVS are going to open the bidding at a stupid high level, because they can wait, he is under contract until after NEXT season. his cap hit is 6 mil, his pay is 5.8 than 6.2 mil. SO he will be looking for north of 6.2 mil on his next deal, and will probably want 6 years. Again, he is a really good player, but he isn't Nash, he isn't Stepan even, he is really good in all 3 zones, well save for this season and most of the AVS looks not so great this year, but he is not going to bring all that much more to this team. The Rangers need grit on the top 6, either from the existing guys or from a new guy (I think they can get some more in house from Kreider and Zucc on a regular basis) O'Reilly is a guy who almost went an entire season and never went to the box...he got some crap hook with like 3 games left or he would have had over 20 min per night with zero pims...zero. You can't play gritty in the NHL and never go to the box, they go hand in hand. So while I like him, I wouldn't trade for him. He will cost you up front, than cost you at the back end. Its going to take so much to pry him out of Colorado, than you will have to overpay to keep him...or rather pay the market value to keep him. Lets not forget, the AVS drafted him, gave him a shot as an 18 year old, kept with him when he struggled, and he thanked them by holding out and signing the first offer sheet that came his way. he has ZERO loyalty to anything but money. If another team was to offer him more than the Rangers or whatever team trades for him he will go. IMHO far too much risk with that guy.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 9:15 am EST

RF4L: I agree about the Blues. Elliot isn't "the guy" but he could always pull a Cam Ward or one of those guys who had his best career stretch of games starting with the first game of the playoffs and be the best for just a coupe months and get it done....but thats a dangerous dance for a team with cup aspirations.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:52 am EST

Mess: WIth the emergence of Tarasenko and now Schwartz, the Blues may finally be able to make some PO noise. I will temper things by adding that I don't see Brian Elliot as a cup contending goalie so it could ultimately be their downfall.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:50 am EST

Vermette will be seeking this summer a contract in the neighbourhood of $6,000,000 per, likely for 4 years. There is no way the Rangers can afford to fit that under their cap, especially with Stepan's pending RFA and desires for the sort of money. And Vermette would be the 3rd line center - that's silly money for that position. I don't think the Rangers are targeting him.

RF4L


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:18 am EST

My take is that our trade talk is misdirected. I think there is a consensus that our priority should be a versatile center. The AV's have one and will move him for the right price because they can not, for a variety of reasons, sign him. Ryan ORielly is the piece I would like to add. They need D. I would offer Big Mac ( and I like him more than most on the Wall), and one of Buccavich or Duke. Minor pieces could be added. Stall too expensive and too long a contract. Maloney wants premium prices and he is the guy under the gun, not us. Just a thought.

gene_carr


Tue Jan 20 2015 8:12 am EST

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nhl&id=34042&src=desktop

stevielegs


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:31 am EST

Phaneuf's skate-blades left the ice, he's a scumbucket.. Hope someone Michael Sauers him

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:26 am EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24979612/watch-dion-phaneuf-fights-eric-staal-after-hitting-jordan-staal

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:20 am EST

So Staal tangled with Phaneuf then blew obe past him to score. Big game with our scouts there. Maybe he was amped. Big article on all things Staal (actually paid 9.5 next yr MF. Cap hit is 8.5)with Francis quotes at espn. Cant link sry. Dont forget Toronto would luv to get their hands on him. Theyre like royalty up there.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:03 am EST

I know that the Rangers cannot afford Eric Staal, but nights like tonight remind me of how much I love his game. Unfortunately, he does not have as many of those nights as he used to.

Bob


Tue Jan 20 2015 1:00 am EST

Those two would be going above & beyond lol. Not enough P/T for everybody probably and way more expensive in chips than Staal. We really dont need that much (that Staal cant provide himself) but no doubt more bang for the actual buck. But I wouldnt object to it ;)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:57 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/19/is-it-a-trap-game-if-rangers-see-it-coming/

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:53 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/19/islanders-destroy-flyers-to-enter-break-in-fitting-fashion/

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:26 am EST

ARFIE: Vermette & Hanzal costs us $6,850,000 which is $1,400,000 less than E.Staal..... Although Vermette is an UFA as seasons end, I got to think we'd have 1st dibs on resigning the guy... Hanzal is signed for 2 additional years at $3.1mill .... Stepan, Brassard, Vermette & Hanzal up the middle with Dom Moore 4th line LW as a F/O alternate... where do I sign? ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:22 am EST

Hospo: I was refering to Paajarvi in generalities.. If we deplete the farm a big for deadline acquisitions, he's a guy I'd like to bring in...

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:19 am EST

MF - I don't understand..This is not the time for the Cup contending Rangers to be adding a reclamation project--hell, they already treat MILLER like one--or 3rd/4th line W..Off season is another story

Hospo


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:17 am EST

Yeah MF, StL is like us, they got high jopes! Lol. My prior flub. Those numbers for Backes line are almost impossible to acheive. Howd u like to have to beat THEM for a Cup?!! Better get a fuckin big center now hehe. But this is pure WasteLand time, rumaging thru remains of AZ & CAR imo. Toronto though is desperate to do something, and could shake up the league with the guys they have to move. They fired their coach, something gonna happen. A little steppin out party for Shanny the GM. jmwo of course.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:16 am EST

That's the Avalanche not our coach

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:15 am EST

AV's shopping for defense, Detroit shopping for RHS D'man..... Would like Sather to get Paajarvi at these prices, think he'd make a successful reclamation project for 3rd/4th LW, & PK

mf


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:08 am EST

No real trade talk out of St. Louis, especially now with that line doing as well as it is. I have to think that those Armstrong is most willing to move are Brodeur, of course, who has been excused from training with the team, Paajarvi, Jackman, Berglund, in that order. The latter two from salary concerns, and for Jackman, wear and tear.

Messier11


Tue Jan 20 2015 12:00 am EST

M11: any whispers about BERGLUND being shopped or available?

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:59 pm EST

Jesus...... that a typo?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:59 pm EST

ARFIE: E.Staals Cap Hit is $8.25mill per.......guess it all comes down to who's available and what are the costs.... http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/eric-staal/

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:56 pm EST

After lying dormant over the first third of the season, the Steen/Oshie/Backes line has combined for 53 points in the past 12 games. Schwartz/Lehtera/Tarasenko remains dominant most nights, that doesn't even consider Berglund/Stastny/Lindstrom and Ott/Lapierre/Reaves!

Messier11


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:46 pm EST

Forvyears & years ALL I worried about was personnel because there was no jope for this team without trades & signings.. I have to remind myself how good things are and focus on hockey lol. Weve got the Isles Tuesday after break and dont think weve beaten them this year. Smackdown time. Im sure we'll make a move to improve. MFie, 8.5 but think it means adios MSL so only a $3m add if so. Hes my 3rd choicr but no complaints if so ha....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:30 pm EST

JAKE GARDINER: read today that he has plenty of offensive talent, skates well, BUT leaves his forwards wondering when he's going to pass the puck..... I'll stick with John Moore

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:27 pm EST

Let the fantasies begin and continue . Jordan staal at a reduced eaten salary would sure makes this team strong at center. Time will tell how unmellow and driven sather is after coming so close last season.... He gave the cup to the Nyr in 94 now he has to win it here.... Time is not on his side.... That's a good thing...

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:25 pm EST

Rhet: I get the feeling that Slather made promises to Hayes to lure him into signings.. Perhaps that he would be a starter here, and perhaps contingencies regarding trades... Sather had to do anything creative to stock the cupboards, and signing Hayes was one option.. Bottom line, I don't know if Hayes is available to trade as per behind the scenes promises.. In time, Hayes "may" become a very good center for this franchise for a good long time.. Hagelin: yeah his offensive numbers could be higher, but he brings a lot more to the table.. For all we know he may be will to sign for a home town discount making him very attractive to retain... MZA: did give Sather a home town discount based on past production, and made Sather's job easy last year.. Perhaps MZA is also willing to sign at the lower end of the estimated salary range, giving the Rangers a home town discount.......... Eric Staal: $8,250,000 p/y through next season & on the downside of his career........ just don't know

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:16 pm EST

the problem is knowing who we were scouting. rumors have connected us in the past to Richards, Sekera, Staal, Franson, Gardiner, Bozak. Toronto is the team being scouted twice. Franson has no place here since Boyle. Gardiner doesn't disrupt much, as Hunwick and Moore are already splitting time as 6th D. Have to think Bozak, and certainly Staal would require a significant disruption to the lineup. Richards too, by way of clearing cap room. Sekera much the same as Gardiner in this consideration. Have to think the talk is over a # 6 D. Perhaps both Sekera and Gardiner on the radar. No harm in price shopping.

Messier11


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:07 pm EST

This btw is where someone usually tells me the $ cant work (though it can)....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:04 pm EST

Thats my thinking Hospo. But theyve been linked to Sekera for a long time. Back to last year. So, even im getting worn out ob trade scenarios. But....haha... Staal-Sekera 4 Miller-Moore and what else? Depends what Canes need most I guess, but itd have to be another nice chip.still, we do something along those lines we wont skip a beat. RF your prob right. But Id feel better ;)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:53 pm EST

One of the best D in the League, an improved Power Play..why even waste time worrying about a defenseman until you work on a center/FO guy?

Hospo


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:52 pm EST

Gardner is a guy you go for in the off-season..More likely to hurt rather then help this year..the only year that matters now..JMWO

Hospo


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:37 pm EST

Jake Gardiner is an interesting player - so much skill but so little hockey sense, at least in TO that's the case. If a team can harness the skills, wow...Brian Leetch II. If not, you'd better not give up much to get him!!

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:36 pm EST

RR: I am certain Duclair won't fetch Vermette and a pick. It's more the opposite - the Rangers will have to cough up the pick.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:19 pm EST

Eric Staal said before the game (how happy he is for Marc because) new york is a great team thats in it every year and went to the finals last year. Words to that affect. Just keep in mind if he were to join his brother hed be leaving a brother to do it. Jordan Staal said the memo about Narc joining then in Carolina mustve gotten lost in the mail. Idk but lotta Staals & Ranger scouts in Toronto.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:07 pm EST

MF.... I don't know if we're going to make a deal for a center by the deadline or not, but we do need a number one. JMO, but I think it's possible that both MZA and Hagelin could go in some capacity so we can fit that center under the cap. It's also just my gut, but I think MSL stays for as long as he wants. IMO, he goes to one year deals a la Selanne at the end of this season so we can afford him. As far as Hags goes, he's getting too expensive for the limited offense we see him provide. I expect one of the young up and coming players takes over his spot. MZA or Hayes and Hagelin plus could help us fit a Staal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:30 pm EST

Rabid... Yes, good point. I saw that NN mentioned it the other day. She's right(as always:), it's terrific. It's the best/closest thing to a daily breakdown of the cap that's out there right now.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:27 pm EST

I’m of the thought that Sather & Company better be pro-active going into this trade deadline. .. Ascertain the cost in terms of who & or what is going the other way, & don’t forget to factor in the cost of “what happens if our competition lands that said player ahead of us.”

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:19 pm EST

Rhet, I sent an email to the Hockey Buzz folks and requested that they update their figures,mentioned that there is a huge void they could fill since the demise of Cap Geek... No reply yet... Nick Foligno signed a 6 yr deal last month, they still haven't reflected it... At least they have most salaries posted and then we can break out the Ol' Calculators.

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:03 pm EST

Rhet I saw it mentioned a site called nhlnumbers.com has some of the cap stuff. Never been there but maybe decent.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:01 pm EST

The only reason to get a dman is if sather is trading j Moore instead of resigning him . The other 5 are here next year at least. He's not going to carry 8 with his cap hell. Guess there might be 8 Dmen ....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 8:51 pm EST

We were scouting Toronto last week too. Who knows. Lopol, Kadri, Bozak, the dman I forget his name, Kessel, JVR. Weve mostly said center to a man. Wouldnt it be somethin if they stick with Hayes ( which I'd heard, they really like him) and get a wing? Still, Sather's methodical with these things so Id guess Staal

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 8:33 pm EST

I have a strange feeling for some time that we are somehow going to end up getting Sekera.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 19 2015 8:22 pm EST

The Rangers reportedly have three scouts at the TO/Carolina game tonight. Make of it what you will :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 19 2015 8:00 pm EST

MF.... Thank you. I was meaning to ask you what you thought of the Cap Geek thing. Despite the health problems of it's founder/director, it's kind of weird they just packed up and shut the whole thing down. There is nothing else quite like Cap Geek. this guy really had his finger on the pulse of what can be a very confusing/frustrating part of the CBA. it will be missed. As an FYI, Besides HockeyBuzz Cap Central, I also like Spotrac for cap figure info. Even though they have Kevin Hayes figures listed incorrectly :)..... http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/cap/2015/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 19 2015 7:57 pm EST

food for thought: Dorsett's 14 points this season is more than Brian Boyles (12) and Dom Moore's (10)

Messier11


Mon Jan 19 2015 7:33 pm EST

“I think we need to continue to improve,” Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said after practice. “That’s a standard theme in the NHL. You’ve got to continue on a daily basis to strive to get better, strive to get your team to play better, strive to get your younger players to play better. “That’s a theme that’s always been in the NHL and that’s how we’re going to succeed. Our guys understand that. They work extremely hard at trying to accomplish that.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/19/despite-winning-15-of-18-rangers-have-room-to-improve/#sthash.3tMeIfAT.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 7:22 pm EST

RABID - Exactly. All depends on how bad you want to win when you have the chance or how bad you just want to keep on putting it off for another year and year until you have the perfect young team that will be too young..Hell, it's been 21 years and 1 in 75...Do it Sather,

Hospo


Mon Jan 19 2015 6:35 pm EST

Nice you to take time to say that JFC. Tryin to watch myself or MF gets mad at me lol. Damn just heard lsles record, 35-14-1. They smoked Filthy today though no big accomplishment. But they make a good trade and its gonna get interesting. And thats why we gotta give to get. Every contender needing a center wants Vermette, including Boston.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 6:26 pm EST

RR -- honestly didn't see anything you posted as being obnoxious....not at all. I actually was a bit cranky myself this morning....should have posted AFTER my cup of joe.

JFC31


Mon Jan 19 2015 6:04 pm EST

Missed the " not" .... Sather might too

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:39 pm EST

STEVIE _ Big mac falls under the "any prospect not named DUC, BUCH and SKEJ" category..I Like him and hope he becomes a Ranger but don't see anything special in him

Hospo


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:35 pm EST

Meanwhile, Henrik Lundqvist, the presumed starter against the Senators, was able to practice today after having his right fingers jammed in the third period on Sunday when David Perron’s skate landed on his hand during a scramble at the crease. “It’s a little sore but it’s fine, it should be good tomorrow,” Lundqvist said. “Ice and stuff and some treatments. But it’s nothing serious.”

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:34 pm EST

And just to clarify, I wouldn't object if Duke is in a deal for Staal or Hanzel, those guys are signed next year. Vermette slightly different story as a UFA. You'd want a pick back, though I get the sense if they did go for Vermette (its the simplest deal, probably; Duke straight up for Vermette and a pick) theyre going to want to resign him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:29 pm EST

Daniel Carcillo suspended six games for crosscheck on Mathieu Perreault:

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:29 pm EST

It occurs to me I was perhaps a bit obnoxious earlier lol, and should apologize to fellow Wallsters. Wasn't having the happiest of mornings and funneled my frustrations onto poor little Anthony Duclair. He's a nice kid,make I do like him. I stand by what I said, but think it applies to any kid. They can and, if the deal is right, should be dealt so we can get to the promised land. This is not kiddie time. Its big boy time. Sather & crew will make us a good deal. I'm not worried about that. At the moment I'm more worried we're going to meet the Isles(or TB) in an epic, death match of a series early and get the starch taken out of us (but not before we beat the former of those dirtbags).we'll see. But sry again.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:27 pm EST

Hospo you forgot big mac former 1st round pick......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:05 pm EST

I assume Maloney is looking for prospects and picks, so he can rebuild . only ufas are free.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 5:01 pm EST

RF4L - I want him to be leery but I don't want to be stubborn..You have to give to get...Again, the trade chip candidates I see possible are MILLER, FAST, 2nd-5th picks, any prospect not named DUC, BUCH and SKEJ..and maybe HAYES for a bigger fish with remaining years

Hospo


Mon Jan 19 2015 4:49 pm EST

I sure hope Sather is leery about entering into a bidding war for whatever players Phoenix is offering up (for sure it's Vermette because he's a pending UFA). I am assuming he's got other irons in the fire elsewhere - he usually does and I won't be surprised if he pulls something off no one is speculating about. Exciting, if not a patience trying time of the hockey season that only escalates as the deadline nears.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 4:45 pm EST

puck: Yes, but it's about taking calculated risks. The ones involving Amonte and Weight were done when the Rangers were clearly a cup favourite - the players they fetched put the team over the top (and it worked - they won). It was obvious to anyone with hockey insight that the ones made chasing after aging veterans with a team choke full of aging veterans, were foolish because rebuilding/retooling was needed. Which gets us to present day and the latest hot argument on here - do the Rangers make similar moves now? Complicating matters is the fact that Sather did so last year giving up 2 firsts to land MSL. Does it make sense now to suddenly say 'no youth for veterans trade, I have to preserve the future' after that trade, coupled with the fact that arguably, the team is doing as well as they did at this time of year last year (and has a deep cup run to build on in terms of experience)?

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 4:44 pm EST

"Bruce Garrioch reports Arizona Coyotes GM Don Maloney is ready to engage in a roster fire sale and is waiting for the highest bidders leading up to the March 2 trade deadline."

Messier11


Mon Jan 19 2015 4:14 pm EST

and if the 2nd rounder we got back turns out like the others we've drafted recently?

Messier11


Mon Jan 19 2015 4:08 pm EST

Doubt very much the condition of the Knicks, who absolutely suck has any undue influence on the Rangers..

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:59 pm EST

RF- MSL, as great as he is, could look like Kerri for norstrom if those picks turn into something. Always the risk- exactly my point.

puckyou


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:52 pm EST

puck: We sucked like that because for whatever reason (ownership meddling perhaps) Smith decided he had enough horses to a 2nd run (when he didn't) and proceeded to make all those asinine trades, like the one with LA that show Norstrom go for aging and by then useless veterans like Kurri, etc. Stupid as have been so many decisions for over a decade after the cup win, courtesy of Smith and then Sather.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:45 pm EST

That said- with the Knicks debacle- expect Sather to get a nice push from Dolan to go for it at the deadline.

puckyou


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:45 pm EST

puckyou: couldn't agree more......for years I couldn't watch the Kings play cause Mattias Norstrom was a beast......the 7 year stretch was brutal.....

jnyr


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:41 pm EST

Don't know if anyone here recalls the aftermath of the post 94 NYR- but it wasn't pretty. After losing in '97 to the Flyers, looking old doing it- we missed playoffs 7 straight years! We watched Doug weight, tony Amonte become all stars elsewhere, while guys like noon an, Matteau, mac T, Anderson Larmer , etc. Rode into the sunset- we sucked for a decade. I will never regret that Cup, ever, but I regret losing those young players. I wouldn't deal a player like Buch, or Duke or even Skjei. I would deal one of the bottom 6 forwards, John Moore, and other prospects in the right deal- but I say no to giving away a 19 year old kid who could haunt us for 15 years (see Ryan McDonagh and Habs)

puckyou


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:24 pm EST

mf: I think this is a pretty good trade, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbd1trNz9bY

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:05 pm EST

Buyers & Sellers as we approach the trade deadline.. The AV's dangling O'Reilly & looking for a defenseman... Since O'Reilly is only signed through next season, doubt very much that helps Arizona in a trade for Yandle, however, if Toronto wants Phaneuf gone, there may be an opportunity for them to trade Phaneuf for O'Reilly & the Leafs can offer to eat some salary, like 1mill per year throughout Phaneuf's contract... The Av's seem to have $6mill per year as the ceiling they have drawn......

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:31 pm EST

Skip to 1:30 into this youtube... This is my opinion of a good trade.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-adnOYdqJg

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:17 pm EST

smart trade...sather smart...there's an oxymoron in there.....no one will agree on the definition of "smart"......trades can take 5 years or 5 ny minutes to pan out....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:10 pm EST

I have got to believe that MSL wants to go out as a Stanley Cup Champion... To me that means this year & or next.. This place has analyzed the bajeebahs (there may be a spelling error there) out of this line-up and has identified Faceoffs, (center) , our 3rd pair LHS defenseman (J.Moore/Hunwick), & then a mixture of something like grit / nasty / team retaliatory reputation to discourage cheap shots against our players.... ... I ask, "where is the line drawn to how much abuse we have to withstand before we fight back?" (Because with this coach, I don't know)

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:56 pm EST

Are Clarkson & Clowe available?

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:53 pm EST

Im sure the front office is striving, burning the midnight oil, to make as dumb and reckless a trade as is possible. Empty the cupboards!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:50 pm EST

As for trades...depends on the player(s) coming in and player(s) going out. Sure a trade to improve the team is always welcome, but it has to be smart.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:50 pm EST

Glass is U/A tmrw. Staal maintenance day. Hes helping his brother find an apartment. Lol. The thing that irks me is who gives a shit about prospects this year? This year. Youse had 15 years to hoard & hope for prospects. Youve finally got a dynamite mostly young team. But rather than enjoy it & hope to improve it, we're gonna worry about the next round of prospects?! Its harder for me right now to think of a single prospect I wouldnt trade to win a Cup. And Wild, plz stop with how you cant deal a kid cause the incoming player MIGHT help you win, but ther es no guarantee so better to sit on your hands . There is no such a player, as I think youre aware.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:49 pm EST

mf: If the MSL deal I suggested was signed I think they could sign them for a total cap hit of 17.1 per. That's 2.65 mil per more than now. That would be MSL- 4.25, Hags-3.25, Step-5.25 and Zucc-4.25. Get rid of Glass and you open up most of that...

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:35 pm EST

Wild: How many dollars do you think it will take to resign Stepan, Zuccarello, Hagelin, MSL? I'm talking per/year & focusing on next season........ Would you trade for any players or go into battle as is? The trade deadline is 42 days (6 weeks) from today and lands on a Monday..

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:33 pm EST

no matter who gets traded, if they win the Cup, like they did in 1994 I will have no regrets.......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:30 pm EST

cuple = couple

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:28 pm EST

to add to the last, the reason I don't count draft picks as young talent ( I am sure some do) is this. Two years ago the Rangers had no first or second rounders. There were people on this very wall that before the draft started declared that the Rangers would have yet another terrible draft due to having their first pick not coming until the 3rd round, and they would be lucky to get an AHL player or two and maybe a 4th line guy, and there would be a hole in the organization because of it. Well, a cupel years later and it looks like PERHAPS the Rangers got 3 first round talents in that 3rd round. One guy made the NHL roster at 18 years old and did well (not great but better than most 18 year olds could do) and was a top line important player at the WJC. Another is a top line player (or was last I checked) in the KHL and the third is playing really well in Junior. Now there is a chance that all 3 fall flat and never really contribute at the NHL level...but for me, that would be a shock. At least 1 of those guys will make it, and I would think 2 seem to be top 6 material. So with that, trading a 2nd rounder isn't as bad as trading a guy you know more about. You can't scout a drat pick, because you don't know who will be there to select. I know its something that shouldn't be overdone, but its still different than trading a kid you have had a lookout and have some control over training and such.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:18 pm EST

Stevie: I don't count draft picks as young talent. The closest thing since 2011 with the Rangers trading young talent for a guy to help win the cup was the Nash trade...and that wasn't 18, 19 year old kids that went the other way....so it counts in a way, but not the way I was looking at. The really young kids with lots of talent for a guy who MIGHT help win the cup is not smart in MOST cases. Unless your expanding a trade out and getting a slightly less younger guy back as well....its just really really risky. Again, ask the Caps how that works our as they watch Forsberg heading toward winning the calder.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:04 pm EST

"You don't give away young talent for a guy who MIGHT help win the cup. MIGHT.... ,,,,,,,,sather has, does, and will....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:38 pm EST

I didnt even mention Duclair's play away from the puck. Well, now I gave LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:33 pm EST

RF4L: I don't think MSL will want to play past the point he can produce points. meaning I don't see him trying to extend his career as a 30 point player on the 3rd line with no PP time. People will FREAK at my idea because they will not see past the term. HOWEVER, most people think that MSL has 2 seasons left as a good player who will help much more than he will hurt. SO extend him. Give him a contract that PAYS 5.5, 5.0, 3.5, 3. that would be a 4.25 mil cap hit, saving the Rangers 1.375 per in cap space. Enough (probably) to get Zucc and Hags or Fast resigned. I mil to Zucc and 375K to one of the other two (cap hit BTW not actual pay) Or perhaps you could even get MSL to take less those last 2 years...in order to remain on the team. 5.5, 5.0, 2.75, 2. That would be 3.8 mil or 1.8 mil or so less. Enough to give Zucc and Hags raises, and apr of Fast's raise. Or if you prefer, call it enough to cover the Staal raise.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:33 pm EST

Im pretty sure that was a typo of some kind RF lol

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:32 pm EST

Inform your decision with this Wild; everytime Duclair got hit he stopped skating! Did he think no one would touch him? In the NHL? I like the kid, his hands, vision, skating are right there for a top line player. But hes also been concussed, was gun shy like Ive never seen (at least Nash threw the body in the POs, but Duke doesnt get that scrutiny) and I just think is replaceable. Im worried about THE TEAM. I know prospects count more for some. The children! The children!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:26 pm EST

Woooooo....RR is 'the most gifted person on the wall'? WTF? I thought I was!!!

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:21 pm EST

should be you "don't" trade or not trade prospects on stats.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:13 pm EST

Rabid: You don't give away young talent for a guy who MIGHT help win the cup. MIGHT. Also, watching more games of Hanzal than a lot of people here probably have ( I see a lot of their games for some reason) there are stretches during games, and for games in general that he plays more like Stepan....he is a lot like Boyle in some ways...yeah at times he uses all that size, but at other times you wonder if he is in the lineup. As for Duc not scoring....that is a yet type thing. You are the most gifted person on this wall looking at a short stretch of games and making career long determinations on a player. A 20-25 game stretch right after a trade of one guy, now a stretch of even fewer games on junior hockey for another...of course not counting WJC games because you can't use those AND say he isn't any good....so you pick and choose a few games here and there and say "id pack his bags". Its short sighted and you trade prospects, or keep prospects for that matter, based on stats. You base it on scouting their game and abilities and using an informed decision to make a determination on whether or not they will make an impact at the NHL level.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:05 pm EST

Agreed. Its crazy to want guys in sniper roles to......snipe. And its my fault Duke isnt scoring against high-schoolers. Why should I want to deal him for a 6-6 center that punishes people and wins faceoffs?! Theyre going to give us a Cup for being nice guys, not punishing anybody, and best of all for playing without the puck! We'll be fine with Hayes losing 6 and 7 of 10 draws and hitting no one! Id pack the Duke's bags for him!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:00 pm EST

Rabid: You are overly obsessed with that stretch after the trade last season. Get over it...move on...it is not the norm and the biggest reason of all, it was last year...it has nothing to do with this year or the future. Nothing at all.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:34 am EST

Dont know what I was thinking! If Duclair is being groomed to replace St Louis, hes got the 1-in-24 thing down and is perfect!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:30 am EST

Wild: Yes, I know MSL has put up more points than MZA and even at his advancing years is a more accomplished point producer. I am referring, however, to the entire games both play. Time and time again, when he's not in a scoring streak, I only notice MSL avoiding high traffic areas and physical confrontations along the boards. MZA, on the other hand, seems to relish the battles and at times, incredibly enough, is the Rangers most physical forward. I am not saying this because I don't like MSL or recognize his value. I'm just saying if it comes down to a decision due to $$ (because MSL won't come cheap on a resign), I'd prefer MZA.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:14 am EST

RF4L: Zucc has been invisible half the games this season. MSL had a 21 points in 23 games stretch...during which he had just 3 games with out a point. He has 3 points int he last 2 games...and Zucc has one in the last 4...so really MSL has 3 in the last 4 de to those 2 shutouts. You can try all you want to put Zucc ahead of MSL and use points and being invisible for games...but the facts and what actually happens in the ice says otherwise. MSL is over 0.8 ppg zoo is just over 0.5 ppg. I don't want either to be gone next season, but MSL should take less (1-1.5 mil less cap hit) and Zucc should be resigned....but he needs to play better for me, or anyone being honest can say that this season he is better. You want to bet he will be better next season, well, I would disagree, but it is a possibility of course. But based on THIS season Zucc shouldn't expect 4.5 mil per like some think he should get, you don't give a guy a raise when he plays poorly. He had me thinking that he has figured out his issues, whatever they were early, and turned that corner, played 8-10 games in a row where scoring or not he was making a BIG impact, he is back down to not so much....not as bad as he tarted the season, but not all that great. I will hold off final judgement until the season is done, but so far,....ehhh when it comes to Zucc. Of course we will know more come the deadline. If Sather trades him (this place will explode LOL) we will know that Sather and the rest of the Rangers brass feel he will not be better than he is now more often than not, f they keep him IMHO that says they expect he will get better like last year again.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 11:00 am EST

rf, i agree although if dreaming i would rather let msl go and trade jt, zucc and j moore for taylor hall. they could add lindburg into that package as well

KIS


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:57 am EST

I am hoping Sather's next target is MZA. If I have to choose who I want back next year MZA vs MSL it's the former. He's younger and feistier and seems to have less invisible games. MSL is in another one of his funks again IMO and I can only assume it's a product of his age.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:38 am EST

trader glen knows what he needs, and what he has, and who he's willing to trade.....but he does need to make a deal eventually this season......and he needs to resign the guys he wants here, asap......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 10:14 am EST

Another misinterpretation of the facts surrounding Duclair's time in the NHL is that he did his scoring early in his 18 game stint and then tailed off dramatically....and that makes perfect sense since he was playing top 6 and getting big minutes and then the numbers game caught up,with him and he was relegated to less minutes and bottom 6. It's actually a GOOD stat for Duclair because anyone who denies that he has the ability to play at a high level in the NHL with elite talent just wasn't paying attention, doesn't know hockey or is simply trying to get a rise out of people. Everyone on this Wall was all "oooohs" and "aaaahs" when Duclair was playing top 6 and showing the flashes of what his talent allows him to,do. When he scored, suddenly people were like, "wow, that's damn impressive," and were complimenting his talent. Then he gets demoted and suddenly this Wall myth arises in which the kid has sketchy talent and is an unknown quantity and was not impressive in his time with the Rangers. Feh! It all goes along with wanting to make a trade and then VOILA! Let's give them Anthony Duclair.....as if another team would want a guy who's getting the reviews that he gets here by some....questionable talent, mystery, blah, blah, blah....yeah, but another team is gonna want him. Which one is it? Does he have elite talent or not? If not, why would another team want him? Please.

JFC31


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:49 am EST

RF4L: I bet you he is! I know the Rangers would be intrigued by the opposite movement, but it makes little sense for the rangers so I doubt they go beyond wondering how well it would work. But if they want Duclair, and the trade is good for the Rangers do it. Good for the Rangers means you don't get a guy closer to 30 than 20 and a mid round pick. They want Duclair, they need to give up a higher pick and a prospect OR a first rounder THIS season and one of those older guys. Sounds like a lot...and it is, but Duclair has the ability to come into the NHL and within a couple seasons be a 30 and 30+ guy. Guys like that don't grow on trees and every team would like to add one or two.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:48 am EST

Wild: The Duke will right himself in Quebec; of that I've no doubt. I am anticipating him tearing it up by season's end and being a force in the POs. How he fares in the Memorial Cup we'll see because that tourney is the best of the best in the CHL. He should do well. If he can dominate, all the better. And it could be he's trying to pay attention to his play without the puck, which would without a doubt come to a certain extent at the expense of his offensive output.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:45 am EST

oh...and LOVE how you exclude games because they don't go along with your argument. Its nice to be able to cherry pick the negative to use against someone but ignore the positive. I haven't seen him play junior games this season, so I can't say why he isn't getting more production....but likely, he will settle in and get better as time goes on.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:45 am EST

RR: LOL...funny how one can twist facts to strengthen an argument. First, Duclair scored little in the NHL because he played little (which is why he needed to be sent back). Second, his junior team is struggling after making a bunch of trades to shore up for the POs and Memorial Cup. They will bounce back and so will Duclair. Now I'm not saying he's an untouchable but Sather needs to be careful IMO what he gives up in terms of the future IMO. Interestingly enough, if the Rangers believe Buch and Tambellini are the real deal, that makes Duclair a little more expendable. Not for a second do I disbelieve that Maloney isn't intrigued by the notion of pairing Max Domi with Duclair next fall. Anyone would. Just how intrigued is he is the question.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:44 am EST

Rabid: No we don't include him based on a handful of NHl games, the WJC or a handful of CHL games. And so he wasn't the best player on his line...that line was one of the best in the WJC and he would have been the best player on almost every team save the one he was on. With that, he should be as close to untouchable as they come. There are exactly ZERO players in the NHL who will guaranty a cup this season, or next. The constant pounding to go get a guy and overpay for them, for the feelings of the fans is what kills teams in the long run, and does nothing int he short run. I can't remember the last time a deadline or even mid season guy really had a big part in winning a cup. Usually if they do have a big part its the second year with that team.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:36 am EST

So excluding the WJC, where he wasnt even the best player on his line, Duclair has what, 2 goals in his last 25 games? Somethin' like that. And we're not supposed to include him if we can get help for a Cup hopeful team?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:20 am EST

IMO, the Penguins rely too much on their big 2 players. That's understandable given their supreme talent, but dangerous, too, for obvious reasons. What they should have done was stop the east/west stuff as they came across the Ranger blueline. The Rangers continually broke those rushes up - why they didn't start dumping and chasing is beyond me.

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:13 am EST

Dave Molinari / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette....Most of the ushers showed up on time Sunday at Consol Energy Center. Same with the vendors. The security staff, too. Just about everyone who was scheduled to work the Penguins game against the New York Rangers did, really. Except the home team. The Penguins fell behind early, giving up a goal to Rick Nash 26 seconds after the opening faceoff, and stayed there all game before time mercifully expired in a 5-2 loss to the Rangers. The defeat was the second in a row, both by three goals, and dropped their record to 26-12-6. They remain in second place in the Metropolitan Division, three points behind the New York Islanders and two ahead of the Rangers and Washington Capitals. The positives for them — the power-play unit scored for the fourth consecutive game, David Perron scored for the fifth time in six games since being acquired from Edmonton — were few. The biggest probably was that it wasn’t a doubleheader. New York’s victory gave it the season series, 3-0-1, and, in the process, left the Penguins 6-8-3 inside the Metropolitan. “We have to start hating those division teams,” defenseman Kris Letang said. “I don’t think we did that [Sunday].” Not because there was any shortage of things for the Penguins to seriously dislike, beginning with the pass that hopped over Letang’s stick on the first shift of the game, leading to the two-on-one break that culminated in Nash beating goalie Marc-Andre Fleury from inside the left circle. Nash’s goal stunned the Penguins, and the one Derick Brassard scored at 6:08 flat-out staggered them. The situation demanded a response that was quick and resolute. What the Penguins offered was neither. “For whatever reason, our emotion and our intensity level weren’t there,” center Sidney Crosby said. The Penguins have overcome — even fed off — similarly tough times more than once this season. This time, they were as resilient as a wet tissue. “We definitely got some bad bounces,” Crosby said. “But we never gave ourselves a chance to get back in it.” A Crosby power-play goal at 15:08 revived them for a while, but after Nash got his second of the game at 2:39 of the second — when Penguins defenseman Rob Scuderi deftly, but inadvertently, deflected his shot past Fleury — the only lingering suspense was about New York’s margin of victory. “There were times in the game when we pushed, but there were also times in the game when we were down and let them push,” winger Nick Spaling said. “We have to do a better job of getting momentum back when things happen.” Although the Penguins generated 34 shots on Rangers goalie Henrik Lundqvist — that’s actually three more than New York got on Fleury and Thomas Greiss — few were second-chance opportunities. Perhaps the only thing more scarce for them than rebounds were effective screens. “We had to make Lundqvist play off the rebound, and we didn’t make him play off the rebound enough,” coach Mike Johnston said. Most of the Penguins’ problems in the past four periods, in which they’ve been outscored, 9-2, have been self-inflicted and should be correctable. And, Johnston suggested, could benefit the Penguins in the long run, because coping with adversity can help a team grow and develop. Assuming it does so well, that is. “It’s going to help you get stronger, for sure,” Johnston said. “But you have to deal with it in the right way. “How you deal with it, how you respond, is really key. Now, we need a response.”

RF73


Mon Jan 19 2015 9:04 am EST

A prospect update: Duclair is struggling to put up points as he adjusts back to junior (1 goal, 4 points and a -3 in 5 games) but Adam Tambellini is doing well, scoring a hattrick yesterday that pushed him to 14th overall in the WHL for points and 3rd overall for goals (in 45 games 28 goals and 52 points). I believe the Rangers have yet to offer him a contract but I gotta believe if he continues to score like this he'll get one. If so, what a 3rd round the Rangers had 2 years ago (Duke, Buch and Tambellini).

RF4L


Mon Jan 19 2015 8:00 am EST

"This connotes mutual commitment and belief in a shared future in the immediate aftermath of a three-year run during which the Blueshirts’ six playoff series victories have been exceeded by only the Kings (10) and otherwise matched only by the Blackhawks...."....should 7 and the queens 9....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 19 2015 4:00 am EST

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Rick+Nash+boosts+goal+total+NHLhigh+Rangers+drum+Penguins/10739747/story.html

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:52 am EST

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nets-owner-mikhail-prokhorov-is-looking-to-sell-the-team-1421201576?tesla=y

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 3:49 am EST

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/sports/hockey/rick-nashs-stick-rekindles-the-rangers-fire.html?ref=hockey&_r=0

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:58 am EST

We need a center, you've identified the two main probabilities... Rumors all over that the Av's are interested in Yandle for O'Reilly... Can't see thatr cause O'Reilly is signed for only one year after this, which doesn't seem to fit the gameplan of a team looking to rebuild... So, I see Yandle going elsewhere, for an "A" prospect & a 1st round pick...

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:55 am EST

Forget Yandle, this isn't baseball, the Yankees, & the luxury tax... Right now the combo of Hunwick & Moore are suring up the 3rd pair LSD.. ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:53 am EST

Icshoukdnt, that's a beauty, take a bow. ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:50 am EST

Correction: Hanzal $3.1mill & Korpikoski $2.5mill = $5.6mill......... This is very workable in our cap situation....

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:50 am EST

Idk what that word is there. 'I sure wouldnt' is what I started to say ha.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:48 am EST

I seriously doubt they even try for H & V, even though Sather is the guy who inked Drury & Gomez same day. He didnt have to trade prospects. If it is AZ Icshoukdnt wouldnt mind Yandle & a center. Either one. If Staals in play we almost cant miss. Now Ive done it.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 2:37 am EST

I'm all for going for Hanzal & Vermette, but it’s a loooongshot at best:: Moving D.Moore to the wing to make room is easy choice ….. .... If we trade with the Yotes it’ll probably be for one or the other, not both… They’ll get more from two separate deals (teams) than we can offer for the two… (JMWO) …. Unlike others, I'm happy to send the mystery that is DuClair and his implied value in return since he played with their Max Domi in the WJC ... I'm also willing to send them McIlrath (the guy deserverves the opportunity to play in the the big leagues) . I'd rather not part with anyone named Haggerty, Skjie, The 2 goalie prospects, Buchnevich, & Hayes is untouchable.... Vermette will turn 33 at season’s end (July) and is playing for his last big contract.... SO, do the NYR's offer him anything more than a 4 year deal @ $5mill per? Hayes will need to be shifted to the wing.. With this 2nd half of the season experience under his belt, I can see Hayes as the 3rd line center to start next year… If this turns out to be a multi player trade with the Yotes, I’d like to see us get Korpikoski in the deal…… Maybe send them JT Miller, McIlrath, Ducliar, Glass & for “Hanzal & Korpikoski” (combined $5.9mill & both signed for two yrs after this one) I Would NOT do this deal for the rental that Vermette is.

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:59 am EST

Could always bring in Handzel & Vermette, shift Moore to LW, and trade AZ ALL the kids lol. Thatd go over great here. It wouldnt go over great with the rest of the league. Step-Brass-Vermette-Handzel would be too good lol. Whats more possible is Staal comes, or Vermette & they want to resign him, providing a perfect excuse to walk away from MSL next year.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 19 2015 1:02 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/18/rick-nash-cant-be-stopped-as-rangers-stomp-penguins/

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:48 am EST

Bringing us to $73,000,000 million... geezus

mf


Mon Jan 19 2015 12:47 am EST

Here are some late night numbers: The CAP is currently $69,000,000 and Bungholio stated earlier this year that the CAP could increase by approximately $4,000,000 bringing us to $71,000,000….. For this scenario I’ll use what I consider the worst case CAP scenario of $69 million… WE have $52,375,000 in signed salaries including Marc Staal…. This leaves $16,625,000 + I’m shit canning Glass = + $1,450,000 = $18,075,000……… Estimating the following: Stepan: $5,500,000….. Zuccarello: $4,500,000…… Hagelin: $3,500,000….. MSL: $3,500,000…. These total $17,000,000 & leave a balance of $1,075,000… (Note: I am not aware if we owe any bonus money which may tap into next year’s cap allowance) I believe that my numbers are fairly close & don’t believe that it will cost the NYR more than the $1,075,000 left over to sign the aforementioned 4 players….. This leaves the following unsigned: Stempniak, JT Miller, Fast, J Moore, Hunwick…. “IF” the CAP is increased by $4mill as The Munchkin mentioned, the NYRangers got this thing nipped…. IMO, for the Opinionista’s

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:52 pm EST

Nash's trade value has never been higher.. Factual opinion .. ;-)

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:49 pm EST

Personally, I would keep KId K, he's younger, but deal The King at the drop of the Broadway Hat...And try to package NASH and MCD (who sucked in the losses to the Isles and Bruins) with him...They will never lead the Rangers to a CUp

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:42 pm EST

So Rangers won. We should trade Hank now and probably Kreider. Now's the time guys. Trade both of them when they have a hot hand.

rangerfan2000


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:32 pm EST

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the last time the Rangers tallied a goal within the first 26 seconds of a game was on Apr. 1, 2013 vs. Winnipeg (Derek Stepan – 0:19). – The Blueshirts have registered five goals in a game three times in their last nine contests and nine times this season. New York also recorded five goals in a game nine times in 2013-14. As of the conclusion of today’s game, the Rangers are tied for third in the NHL in games with five or more goals this season. – The Rangers have allowed two goals or fewer in 13 of the last 17 games and in 17 of the last 25 games (46 goals allowed in the last 25 contests; 1.84 goals against per game over the span). New York has given up two team goals or fewer in 22 of 43 games this season, and has posted a 21-0-1 record in those contests. – The Rangers were 1-for-6 (10:57) on the power play in the game. New York has recorded a power play goal in seven of the last 12 games (11-for-37; 29.7%) and in nine of the last 15 games (13-for-45; 28.9%). – The Blueshirts have tallied the first goal of the game in 10 of their last 13 games, in 13 of their last 17 contests, in 18 of their last 25 games, and in 27 of 43 games this season. The Rangers have posted a 21-4-2 record when registering the first goal of the game this season, and they have posted a 16-1-2 record when leading after the first period in 2014-15. – The Rangers have posted a 20-0-1 record when leading after two periods this season. New York has registered a 134-1-9 record in its last 144 regular season games when leading after two periods. The 144-game stretch began with a 3-1 victory vs. New Jersey on Feb. 6, 2010. – The Blueshirts have posted a 3-0-0 record in afternoon games this season. All three contests have been against Metropolitan Division opponents (Nov. 28 at Philadelphia, Nov. 29 vs. Philadelphia, today against Pittsburgh). - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/18/rangers-5-penguins-2-post-game-notes/#sthash.qBBHA9ET.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:29 pm EST

carp....." The Rangers have won 19 of their last 25 contests (19-6-0), including 17 of their last 22 games (17-5-0) and 15 of their last 18 contests (15-3-0). The Rangers have also earned at least one point in 29 of their last 39 contests (25-10-4), including 22 of their last 29 games (20-7-2). – The Blueshirts have won six of their last seven road games (6-1-0), 10 of their last 12 road contests (10-2-0), and 11 of their last 14 road games (11-3-0). The Blueshirts have posted a 96-61-11 record in 168 regular season road games since the start of the 2010-11 season, and they rank second in the NHL in road wins over the span. – The Rangers have earned at least one point in 14 of their last 15 games against Metropolitan Division opponents (13-1-1) and have won 10 of their last 11 intra-division games (10-1-0). New York has posted a 13-3-1 record against teams in the Metropolitan Division this season. New York has registered a 17-3-1 record in its last 21 games against Metropolitan Division opponents, dating back to Mar. 21, 2014. – The Rangers posted a 3-0-1 record against the Penguins in 2014-15. It is the first time the Blueshirts have earned at least one point in every regular season game they have played against Pittsburgh in one season since 1996-97 (4-0-0). New York outscored Pittsburgh, 16-8, in the four meetings between the two teams this season, and recorded at least four goals in three of the four contests. The Rangers have registered at least one point in nine of their last 10 regular season games against the Penguins (6-1-3), dating back to Apr. 3, 2013. New York has registered at least five goals in four of its last 10 regular season games against Pittsburgh and has outscored the Penguins, 37-24, in those 10 contests. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/18/rangers-5-penguins-2-post-game-notes/#sthash.qBBHA9ET.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:28 pm EST

If I had my druthers, I would go with Hanzal. He brings something the Rangers don't have. He is a PIA to play against.

Bob


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:23 pm EST

meant--BUCH, DUCLAIR and SKEJ....ALso, FAST could be a chip for a bigger fish..Just guessing

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:19 pm EST

RF4L - Good summary on VERMETTE/HANZAL.Really like both players....Watched the game, VERMETTE was an absolute beast on FOs,,He indeed would fit into AVs system more than Hanzal even if Hanzal brings more size and tougness.....Both could help alot....Depends on what the Rangers want to pay and how much they value added toughness, if at all.....We'll see......Trying to think what chips I think the Rangers could or might deal and I start with MILLER, 2nd through 4th, Picks, Lindberger, any prospect not named BUCH or DUCLAIR...........But could also be that if the Rangers wanted HANZAL, the COYOTES would want HAYES in return...We'll see..

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:17 pm EST

E. Staal & his $8.25mill salary for this yr & next is difficult to imagine in a Ranger jersey... I just think he's priced out of the equation..... Without being a talent scout & just going on what's posted here and looking at the numbers, Vermette or Hanzal sounds just fine..... I'd love to see Sather figure out a way to get Simmonds here too, but I guess that's just a pipe dream.... Philly should offer Arizona VL & their 1st for Hanzal & a 2nd.... Sounds like Hanzal has Philly Attitude written all over him... 43 days untill the trade deadline

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:57 pm EST

Stall was the most critical. Next, IMO, is MZA, as he's UFA and has less incentive than MSL to stay. Then Step.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:27 pm EST

RR: What makes me like the thought of adding Hanzal over Vermette is his size and not so nice attitude, something the Rangers lack. Vermette would be more of the same in terms of physical play/pushback/etc.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:23 pm EST

Hanzel would still be my top choice RF. Hed anger a lot of fans from time to time, but hes ugly and you need some of that to win imo. Hes least likely to end up here of he staal vermette, also prob farthest from what AV wants. So ill take any of'em. We're honna be great if we stay healthy.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:05 pm EST

Watched about half of the Yotes/Jets game (because the NE/Indy game was so lopsided) focusing on Vermette and Hanzal (seeing as I so rarely see the Yotes). Vermette without a doubt (based on a half a game here please note) fits into AV's system way more than Hanzal does. And better yet, Vermette for this game anyways, was 75% on FOs. He's quick and solid with the puck and reminds me actually of Brassard. All that said, I like Hanzal, too - hits and checks. He reminds me of the departed BB to be honest. Bottom line is (for me) both would help, but Sather shouldn't over pay to get either.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 9:57 pm EST

Elliotte Freidman says that the Rangers have had “not much conversation, if at all) with Marty St. Louis (UFA), Mats Zuccarello (UFA) and Derek Stepan (RFA). (Friedman) ....... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/derek-stepan/derek-stepan-contract/

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 9:56 pm EST

Happy Staal'a re-upped, though thats about 3 years more than Id gave been comfortable with. Thats the tradeoff, for Girardi & Hank too. They took at or under market $ but got term. Whatever. Couldnt mess with Staal this year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 9:15 pm EST

Step's an RFA?

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 9:14 pm EST

Whoops

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 8:44 pm EST

Our UFA's are: MSL, MZA, STEMPNIAK, HUNWICK..... Our RFA's are: STEPAN, HAGELIN, MILLER, FAST, J.MOORE

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 8:42 pm EST

Wish we could skip these 40 games & start POs, while our guys are healthy & playing well. As long as we could make a trade first. Just give us our first round opponent & lets go.....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 8:41 pm EST

Gents: Kid K IS signed through the end of next season........http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 8:26 pm EST

Didn't kid k sign ? .... All the more reason to go for it this year and every year. The cap is a team buster....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 7:33 pm EST

Hadn't realized this- ALL of our wingers except Nash and Glass are either an UFA or an RFA at seasons end

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 7:11 pm EST

…through two periods

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 7:10 pm EST

Pittsburgh out-hit us 41-30, but it didn't look anything like with Boston, whom we out-hit

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 7:09 pm EST

FO %s: Moore 64, Brass 52, Miller 50, Stepan 50, Hayes 43. TOI: no one under Stempniak's 10:55, no one over Girardi's 22:38. Hits: Girardi 6, Hunwick and Klein with 4.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 7:00 pm EST

remaining free agents: UFA: MSL, MZA, Stempniak, Hunwick. RFA: Kreider, Hagelin, Moore, Miller, Fast (Lindberg, Allen, Bodie, Kristo, McIlrath, Hrivik of note in the AHL)

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:58 pm EST

NN, yup, thanks, same as M11's suggestion.....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:56 pm EST

MF: NHLNUMBERS.COM. it's not capgeek, but it's probably the next best site for cap and salary info.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:55 pm EST

Slegs: Doubt Chi-town would part with him, and unsure that the CBA allows for his return to the Rangers this season regardless of the amount of teams he'd may be traded to before landing here.......

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:40 pm EST

Mf for sheer chemistry and leadership I would take brad Richards .... He'd still be here if not for the cap and the cba ...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:35 pm EST

Slugs, here's some more centers to mull around & perhaps disgard:COUTOURIER, ANISIMOV, BERGLUND, BOZAK....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:33 pm EST

M11: got me thinking that stick handling the puck would also be a biatch once you changed glove and blocker hands...

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:07 pm EST

Rhet: Welcome ! back. I for one was at a loss by your absence.. With Capgeek gone, got any suggestions for Cap Data?

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:05 pm EST

Rhet they made it official today... Lb scooped everybody .... He has a good source....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 6:04 pm EST

I think the news is just that its been signed and is now official.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:59 pm EST

I'm at a loss on the Marc Staal 'news.' Brooks reported this 2 days ago. Maybe I'm stuck in a Groundhog Day time loop or something? ....http://nypost.com/2015/01/16/rangers-marc-staal-agree-on-six-year-extension/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:58 pm EST

"It's the place I want to be. I've had great time growing up in this organization & have a lot of respect for what they do"-#NYR Marc Staal...."It's been fun winning games with the guys in this room...this is the right choice (for me)"....Sather: “Marc has been one of the cornerstones of our team since he arrived in New York. His commitment and perseverance to the Rangers ...and the game of hockey, has been an inspiration for everyone in the organization, and he has become a role model for young players and veterans alike. We are excited that he will continue to provide that leadership in a Rangers uniform.”

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:54 pm EST

starting to get spoiled 15 wins in last 18.....losses are a pain and not fun......sather just needs to find a vet center, who can play both wings or right wing too, for cheap, to blacknblue ace for Hayes et al...kids.....that's a must to get to the postseason, and thru 16 wins need to win it all.......not asking too much?......

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:35 pm EST

CARP...."Staal’s annual cap hit is $5.7 million, which is fair market value, and would be a bargain if he’d hit unrestricted free agency. So GM Glen Sather has the Rangers’ top five defensemen now tied up long term — Staal through 2020-21, Dan Girardi through ’19-20, Ryan McDonagh and Kevin Klein through ’17-18 and Dan Boyle through ’15-16, with goalie Henrik Lundqvist signed through ’20-21. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/18/rangers-make-it-official-marc-staal-signs-six-year-deal-worth-34-2-million/#sthash.LhPa6tpB.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:28 pm EST

Your big three for the Rangers D will be Staal, Girardi, McD through 2021. Klein down for a decent amt of time too. Boyle probably stays, the way he's playing. That leaves one spot in the air.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:26 pm EST

ESPN reporting 5.7/year, full NMC first 3 years, modified NTC last 3

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:25 pm EST

great news on Staal. hopefully closer to the reported 5.7 side of the range.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:16 pm EST

I know, moot point. But watching Hank's blocking glove get run over had me thinking about injured goalies of the past.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:15 pm EST

well thats what I mean. Blackburn prevented from using glove from shoulder injury, so went to double blockers with Victoria Salmon Kings of the ECHL. Why not just learn to catch with the other hand? //// Gene, I get your point, but for a second he tried to stay in with the two-blocker formula. Why not try to catch with un-injured arm instead?

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:00 pm EST

M11: In addition to the technical considerations regarding Blackburn. By retiring due to the injury he received a pretty hefty insurance settlement. By attempting a return it would have been lost.

gene_carr


Sun Jan 18 2015 5:00 pm EST

Hospo....Agree on the status of current Rangers....A third line center capable of winning face offs with a litlle grit wouldbe my preference....I know many here like Hayes....Does little for me....

PJ


Sun Jan 18 2015 4:49 pm EST

Kunitz is a player I despise and is not often mentioned as a dirty player...Not in the Marchand sense but would love to see someone kick his ass....Great win today....Staal and Klein are playing better than anyone on the blueline....Nice to see....

PJ


Sun Jan 18 2015 4:23 pm EST

Was wondering whether the Marchant suspension had any affect on today's game... Lord of the Slewfoot Malkin, and Princess Slewfoot Crysby were relatively well behaved in that regard... Let's see if it has any affect on another of the NHL's love-fest, PK Slewban.....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:27 pm EST

you're comfortable with, "then" to change....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:24 pm EST

M!!: If my memory serves correctly, Blackburn reportedly sustained a a nerve injury in the shoulder area. Whatever is was, the shoulder is a funky joint / hinge with a whole bunch of soft tissue, tendons, ligaments & muscle group.. Now to address your point let's focus on the angles & positions. When a goalie uses the blocker, the arm is in a somewhat downward position & the back side of the fore-arm is facing outward and away from the body.. When utilizing the glove hand, the elbow is bent and likely held in an upward angle until reaction to a shot and preparing for the glove save... In addition, the glove hand is holding the glove's face outward which means that the glove hand is rotated almost a full 180 degrees.. The twisting of the arm in addition to the bending at the elbow places tension on the front part of the shoulder... I think that its easier to wear two blockers and maintain the stickhand that your comfortable with, than to change catching & stick hands....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:13 pm EST

Yeah, we're not out of the east yet Hospo! Those 3 TB games, idk, we weren't playing anywhere near this level, didn't even have lineup first one at least. Id expect a death match anytime we play them going forward (don't have to see PITTs ugly mugs rest of season thankfully). TB is a very good team, as are Isles & BOS. MTL wont be a pushover if we have to meet them again. No easy teams or games, but we make some moves as good a shot as anybody. At the halfway point, cant ask for more.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:08 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Marc Staal will speak about his contract extension after the game. The deal is officially done.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:03 pm EST

Also a game that shows just how much we depend on Stepan, Nash, team D and Hank. Need some support scoring, Kreider MZA.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:03 pm EST

Yep, this exciting and challenging 7 game stretch has shown that the Rangers are defiently a serious cup contender as is but also have a few spots (maybe just one player) they should bolster for the PO wars and a better shot at the cup....

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:02 pm EST

Big four-point game against a contender and the team delivered in almost every way.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:57 pm EST

RABID One team to worry about in the East for the Rangers, based on results so far, is Tampa Bay

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:54 pm EST

So once this is official, to go back to start of west coast trip plus the tough games when they came back, we will have beaten EVERYBODY but Isles & Bruins. Not bad. We get Staal or Vermette in we probably beat those two as well, though wary cause the Isles have that look this year. Thankfully we'd probably face only one of them in POs. I hope.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:53 pm EST

This is out of nowhere, but why didn't Blackburn just switch his catching mitt to the other hand instead of trying the very unorthodox two-blocker attempt, post-injury?

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:48 pm EST

Good team effort so far but would love to see one of the kids--Miller, Fast, even Hayes.:) score a gaol for some confidednce

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:44 pm EST

Zucc has no puck luck lately.....posts all over the place and robbed by Toronto

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:44 pm EST

PP starting to look dangerous, big part of that is Boyle, but also positional work

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:42 pm EST

I sure hope Boyle's wrist/hand is hurting because he's been horrible on his shots. Right in the middle of the net. Every time.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:42 pm EST

All's forgiven, back up by 3... Good to see Stepan taking shots

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:40 pm EST

hates a little dense between the ears? pp coming up he passes it to a playpen,,,,,

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:37 pm EST

step on them stepan

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:37 pm EST

Stepan - what a lazar!

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:37 pm EST

Hank of course parted the seas. Should've stood that one up

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:36 pm EST

And after 3 games in a short amount of time, AV is hardly using the "4th" line. Why?

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:36 pm EST

Faked out Girardi by starting down McD's side, McD didn't commit and Girardi did only too late

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:35 pm EST

WTF were G and M doing? Geesh. And Rangers standing around to start the 3rd. They'd better wake up or....

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:34 pm EST

WTF Hank !!!

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:11 pm EST

St Louis made one of the prettier passes you'll ever see on that PP.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:10 pm EST

RDW....Was thinhing the same about McD.....The Pens have had their best shifts against him and Girardi....

PJ


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:08 pm EST

And if the Pens had controlled the puck on a PP the way the Rangers just did, they would have been RAVING about the brilliance of their PP and their supreme talent. Rangers do it....crickets.

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:06 pm EST

Damn, we missed great opps on that last PP....Nash missed a huge rebound because he was standing still. We need to make them pay on the PPs....I don't care what the score is....helps our PP confidence and keeps the Pens from being too aggressive

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:05 pm EST

anyone think McD is hurt? He's just not playing that well IMO

RDW


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:04 pm EST

Our speed is forcing them to take bad penalties, and they are playing tired being in their zone on the PK all game. This is how AV wins games

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:43 pm EST

Pour it on boys!!! Don't let up....crush them!

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:42 pm EST

Bullshit on that goal call....nothing but another short side goal by Fleury. Kreider was not a big factor

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:39 pm EST

That's a BIG goal! Love the way Pierre blamed it on Fleury then covered it up after he saw that Scuderi tipped it in.

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:21 pm EST

Next goal huge....Stating the obvious....Need shots, shots and more shots.....

PJ


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:16 pm EST

Ridiculous penalty calls allowed the Pens to stay in the game....Rangers were in control....That said sloppy passing on our PP was not something we have seen in a while....

PJ


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:12 pm EST

All standing around looking at the guy with puck. Again.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:10 pm EST

Oops...my bad

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:10 pm EST

This PP stinks again. WTF?

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:10 pm EST

We absolutely need to score on the 2man adv....or the momentum will change

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:05 pm EST

gift #1 out of 3

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:05 pm EST

If you go anywhere near one of these wusses, they go down....Sid has taught them well

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:02 pm EST

refs continue to try to help their team

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:58 pm EST

Doc malpractice nyr completely healthy .... How's glass doc?

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:49 pm EST

Rangers are sharp and fast! Great start!

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:48 pm EST

Nash is in BEAST mode! That line is flying!

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:48 pm EST

brass-ard

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:39 pm EST

monster N ash

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:33 pm EST

McIlrath should be trying to stand out in a Marc Staal-type way…making the deft poke check time and time again to bail out his goaltender. Thats what will earn him a spot on this club.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:29 pm EST

Hospo: Thanks for the report. Been noticing Haggerty on the scoreboard more often lately. Nice to see McI didn't stand out - he's not supposed to unless he's fighting. How did Skapski look? Only 19 shots but a SO...

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:27 pm EST

Ooh...he's injured. AV is still wimpy...

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:26 pm EST

Glass pressboxed? After 2 strong games? AV hates physical play....what a wimp.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:26 pm EST

VIC - I know, but just this fan's opinion is that AV is wrong...especailly when you have a kid that had been defensively negligednt too often, sure as hell isn't scoring or adding offense, and is about the worst in the NHL in FO's....But' I'll say this, I think he played a real good game agasint CBJ...So the condfidence helped him...Do the same with MILLER!...Well, all this until we get a real complete center

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:10 pm EST

HOSPO: No doubt that all three need to learn and grow. But from AV's perspective his priorities are different then yours. AV wants to play a fast, puck possession game. If a player can't be trusted to make good decisions with the puck then it becomes difficult to put him on the ice. You can look at a missed backcheck and teach that to a guy on video. You can work with a guy on draws to help him get better. You can't get inside the head of a guy who makes bad decisions with the puck when under pressure. Either you have that calmness with the puck or you don't. MILLER doesn't have that right now. And, AV has seen this from MILLER for two years now. You don't like the warts in HAYES' game but to AV HAYES' strengths far outweigh his weaknesses. The fact that he is fantastic with the puck in his own end alone puts him head and shoulders above MILLER right now.

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:59 am EST

Glass injured, Miller in. ///// not calling up Lindberg wasn't cap related. We have the space to call up Lindberg. AV felt better with Miller in top 6 than he did with Lindberg. No knock on Lindberg. Has always been projected as bottom 6. Obviously, AV glad Step back. ////// if Staal isn't available then Carolina front office has done a terrible job dispelling the very persistent rumor that he is, these past few seasons

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:59 am EST

Glass hurt. JT in. Vic. No. And I see some grey with Staal where you see black & white. We'll see. Hospi, one question. Would Lindberg help more than Hayes?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:57 am EST

VIC - I know MILLER makes a few bad decisions with the puck...Hayes on the other hand had been making bad coverage/backcheck decisons and is worthless at the FO circle,,has 1 goal in 17 games...Fast is good defesively and banfgng, little else.....All three kids need to grow and get better playing through their mistakes....Hayes is getting that chance..which is good...But it just seems like Only MIllers gets called out or held accountable..

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:51 am EST

OK, had a great evening at the WOLFPACK-Admirals game last with my son...Kid just turned 21 recently and it feels wrong buying him the Beers while I'm drinking Coke!!!.......Anyway, a quick amateur scouting/fan report....AND ALL BASED ON ONE GAME!!!.The way I looked at the game was not to see who sucked but who really stood out doing things on the ice..First off, after beating the Admirals the night before in OT, the Pack were completely the better team, quicker, winning puck battles and much better positioned/coached.....That being said.......the best player on the ice for the Pack was..........rabidranger drumroll....OSCAR LINDBERG..So many times during the game, be it a pass, a move, a backcheck, a FO win, even a check, I said good play and found out it was Lindberg....The bad news is that Lindberrg doesn't really bring anything new to the Rangers to force a call up IMWO...There was only one other player that opened my eyes in the 2nd half of the game and that was HAGGERTY..I heard he had a real good game Friday night and late last night was all over the place offensively with some good speed and attack....Not ready yet but a keeper......everybody else just seems like what they were last night----AHL players!!! BORQUE has speed but showed nothing else...KRISTO invisible.....The D were untested mostly but ALLEN did not impress me......Two other players that are often called for on the WALL......MCILRATH and MALONE.....The only thing I can say about McCILRATHis that he is fast and agile enough for the AHL....He was never tested, rarely had the puck..The Pack were usually in the offensive zone when he was on and he didn't have to do much...But he got alot of ES and PK ice time.......And then there's RYAN MALONE....I was hoping I would see him and say, damn, this is just what the Rangers need and call his ass up...The exact opposite..he was a zero..not quick enough..and noit really forcing things in the offensive zone....LIke DANY HETLEY, he looks done regarding the NHL...Again, just thoughts from ONE GAME....

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:46 am EST

RR: STAAL isn't part of the problem in Carolina. They aren't trying to get rid of him. That is why they wouldn't eat part of his contact. SEMIN is a different story. They might eat part of that contract just to get rid of him. Do you want SEMIN?

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:35 am EST

Actually Vic, there are reason for Carolina to eat salary. 8.5 million of them. They don't want to pay it next year. Its worth a few million now to avoid it. They also need to restock, they're bloated and going nowhere. Francis knows and he'll have to recast the franchise as best he can. Think they're going to go blue collar, like CBJs. What else to do? Last Id seen, before CapGeek demise, Rangers had $2.4ish M in space, before they cut Duclair. Thatd put them with $3m free to play with. Staal's cap hit at the deadline will be a 3rd less of 8.5, at least.So even in the $5-6m range its within reach. We may have to dump Glass, who I think becomes the logical cap casualty if the deal is really tight. Though id like to keep him. But its possible to do the deal without ripping out a key player.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:31 am EST

HOSPO: I think the difference with AV regarding the kids comes down to one thing. MILLER is a nightmare with the puck at times. He makes really stupid decisions and turnovers. HAYES and FAST are both very reliable with the puck, especially in their own end.

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:28 am EST

RR: There is no way that VERMETTE is a better skater then STAAL. Maybe if STAAL was injured but healthy, no way. Also, the ONLY way a deal involving STAAL can work is if BRASSARD or STEPAN are going the other way because of the money involved. The Rangers are so badly up against the Cap they can't even bring up a guy like LINDBERG when STEPAN goes down. They are trying to squeeze Cap space on a day by day basis. STAAL makes big money. Big money needs to be going the other way in any deal where STAAL comes to NY. There is no reason for Carolina to eat salary. Why should they? They aren't looking to unload STAAL. He is their marquee player.

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:27 am EST

JFC/RABID - Been saying for the last few days that JT Miller gets treated different then the other youngsters HAYSIE and QUICKIE..MILLER has ZERO margin of error..It just seems like AV does not like the kid and why it is best for Ranger management that he is the one involved in any deal.....(Mistake in my eyes)....STILL THINK VERMETTE is the PERFECT player (Of whom might be traded) for the Rangers and their needs right now

Hospo


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:21 am EST

Vic LOL. Im not going to complain if we get Eric Staal! But Id be stunned if they traded Brassard. Makes no sense. The whole purpose to me would be to line up Staal-Stepan-Brassard, in any order you want. That's strength up the middle. And I agree Staal's size and the little edge he has (though the hardest hit I ever saw him throw was against his brother) as something Vermette cant bring, obviously, though Vermette is scrappy. Also, Vermette might be a little quicker (he definitely is) and come slightly cheaper, as a UFA. So IDK....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:14 am EST

OLA: I hear you on the concerns over STAAL and the future. You might be right. However, moving to NY and getting healthy could go a long way toward rebounding his game. Everyone thought JAGR was on the downside when he was in Washington. Coming to NY jump-started his career again. STAAL is still 29 so I have to think he has more left in the tank. RR: The problem I have had with this roster for years is that it hasn't had a true #1 Center. The last few years it has had a 2A and 2B center. Neither is big enough to be a #1 IMHO. BRASSARD is a better skater then STEPAN but STEPAN is a better player in both ends of the ice. BRASSARD has a better shot but STEPAN is a better passer and playmaker. This year STEPAN is starting to play at a #1 Center level but he physically cannot match up against the better #1 level guys in the league (CROSBY, MALKIN, TOEWS, GETZLAF, THORNTON, etc.). Both BRASSARD and STEPAN suck on draws. STAAL sucked on draws early in his career. Since 2011 he has been better then 50%. IMHO if the Rangers had STAAL and STEPAN as their #1 and #2 with either HAYES or LINDBERG as the #3 Center their chances of winning a Cup are much better then with STEPAN and BRASSARD as their #1 and #2 with VERMETTE as their #3 Center.

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:11 am EST

That's fine Vic. All the statistical data would certainly suggest so. Vermette never sniffed a 100-pt season. But that's also a long time ago. Gotta see what he's got left. People who watch him all the time say Staal's slipped, but as I was saying, even slipping down into the 50-70pt range is very good, great for your 3rd line. Now if you say 'first-line', that has all kinds of connotations to it. If Eric Staal comes here, are we re-casting all the lines? If not, and he plays with Hagelin and one of Stempniak/Fast/Miller (if hes still here), is that best for Staal? Like I said, I cant say - and I definitely cant say what AV would do - gotta see.....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 11:02 am EST

RR: There has never been a day that VERMETTE was a better player that E. STAAL. Even concussed and injured I'd rather have STAAL. Since 05' ignoring both of their rookie seasons there has only been one full season where E. STAAL hasn't put up 70 or more points (61 last year while injured and playing on a very bad team). Since 05' there has only been 2 seasons where VERMETTE put up more then 50 points (53 in 08' and 65 in 10'). STAAL is also 3 years younger. BRASSARD is having a career year this year and is two years younger then STAAL. If BRASSARD continues at the pace he is on he "might" just edge out STAAL's worst season in terms of points. STEPAN is playing at a point a game this year when healthy. As good as he has been at times in the past he never was anywhere near as good a STAAL in terms of points per game. But STEPAN is just 24 right now and is coming into his own. If STAAL came to NY there is a strong argument that he would immediately become the Rangers #1 Center. The only reason why that wouldn't be the case this year is that he has been injured most of the last few seasons and is playing hurt this year.

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:59 am EST

Oopps...weren't list as sure negatives...

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:58 am EST

Ola: I read some old scouting reports on Kassian and the 2 negative things that stood out were questionable hockey sense and skating. Now these were listed as sure negatives, but possibilities in holding him back. For sure, trading him for say Hagelin we'd see a drop in speed if one replaced the other. But Kassian brings to the table other assets - he's strong along the boards, plays with an edge and can score in close. I'd argue his got more offensive upside than Hagelin, who fires pucks right into the goalie's chest more often than not.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:54 am EST

Im not so sure Vermette isn't a better player than Staal right now, or which would be the better deal for us, or which player's style will fit best. Most of those things we cant know until there's a deal and the guy is here. So Id just be making stuff up. But on balance, have to think the Rangers are better off with either, that's the main thing. Anything going the other way will be largely futures, I think they'll stop short of disrupting the team. Even if its Staal and he's not what he was, as a 3rd center which is how Id see him (until he proved otherwise) that's pretty darn good.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:53 am EST

Ola: Agreed on Jordan Staal. He's a 3rd line center making 1st line center money. No thanks. Eric is alluring but fearing his best days behind him isn't unreasonable. If I was Sather I'd keep my offers low (like Miller and McI with the Canes eating at least 1/3 of his salary. Even that makes me nervous - if both Jitters and McI blossom there, Staal had better be the catalyst that puts the Rangers over the top.

RF4L


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:48 am EST

I love the idea of getting a "Kassian" whilst struggling to adjust to the NHL and have him flourish here with support from smart players like MSL and Zucc. But when I've seen Van, darn Kassian has looked sluggish on the ice. Makes Glass look like a speedster...

Ola


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:47 am EST

I am very afraid of E Staal. And I usually got a pretty good feel for these things. He is putting up stats for Car -- but he is not playing very good hockey at all. Reminds me of B Rolston before going to NJ and B Richards before coming here. With a team built around them they could keep performing in Minny and Dallas, but they couldn't adjust and perform in a new environment. A big reason for why Car sucks tremendously year after year is that neither E Staal not J Staal are that tough hockey players to play against. J Staal makes why too much money for my liking and E Staal just isn't nearly moving well enough for the type of game he wants to play ...

Ola


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:46 am EST

RF4l: Reading the inferences of the "Insiders" Kassian appears to be a negative locker room presence. AV would know and may be the reason the Rangers are not that interested?

gene_carr


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:45 am EST

I am very afraid of E Staal. And I usually got a pretty good feel for these things. He is putting up stats for Car -- but he is not playing very good hockey at all, but they couldn't adjust and perform in a new environment. A big reason for why Car sucks tremendously year after year is that neither E Staal not J Staal are that tough hockey players to play against. J Staal makes why too much money for my liking and E Staal just isn't nearly moving well enough for the type of game he wants to play ...

Ola


Sun Jan 18 2015 10:15 am EST

The crew in Toronto are a bunch of cowards and hypocrites. What other league hires a Dean of Discipline based on no qualifications other than being a former player? Stefan Quintal? Brendan Shanahan? What makes them qualified? It's just a stepping stone position....an excuse to pay someone good money as they make their way up the ladder. That's no way to run a league...especially when that position helps create the direction of the league and the safety of,the players. That's why you get so many inconsistent, contradictory rulings....former players, who at most graduated high school, making it up,as they go....complete with past prejudices and experiences as a player in a different era that color their judgement. As for,the call on Zucc's goal....they make themselves look like fools and cowards. Anyone with a brain knows that's a goal.

JFC31


Sun Jan 18 2015 9:31 am EST

“The refs’ call was ‘no goal,’ so we have to find conclusively that the whole puck was over the goal line,” Senior VP of Hockey Operations Mike Murphy told The Post in an email exchange. “This was extremely difficult because we couldn’t see where the puck was in Niemi’s glove. “There are angles that the puck appears to be in, but there are also angles where there is doubt,” Murphy said. “Inconclusive was the result.” ....absurd, it's a goal....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 18 2015 3:48 am EST

Brooksie has a lot to say in this article [http://nypost.com/2015/01/17/the-nhls-added-camera-solution-for-improved-instant-replay/] but these last lines really got to me: "In the corridor outside the Bruins’ room in Boston hangs a picture of Jean Ratelle, No. 10 wearing the spoked B. Sorry, but that’s just wrong. On so many levels, that’s just wrong." From people that I've met who know the man, Ratelle could never forgive the Ranger organization for that trade. The Rangers owe it to Ratelle to do everything they can to mend that fence and retire number 19 once and for all. His 109 point season stood as a Ranger record for over 30 years until Jagr finally broke it in 2006. And Ratelle did it in 63 games no less. Just a travesty IMWO.

jratelle19


Sun Jan 18 2015 2:07 am EST

Eric Staal is a better player than Vermette.

Messier11


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:52 am EST

I'm not so sure Vermette isn't a better player than Staal right now. Injuries have slowed Staal, he also took at least one nasty headshot a few years back. Hey, his stats and a shiny Cup don't lie. He's quietly effective, kinda like an offensive version of his brother. But Vermette has some sick skill & he really gets in there & plays a passionate game. Reminds me of Brassard but probably better. But I don't get to see either guy a lot so trusting Sather & Co to get it right. Don't think we can go wrong either way, either is a big upgrade. Doubt we're trading Brassard for either imo.it'd defeat the purpose. Doubt they can't make the $ work. Not opposed to sending Miller for a UFA IF we get back a decent prospect or pick to mitigate the age difference a bit. Nothings for nothing though.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:09 am EST

We may be able to afford Jordan Staal at $6mill per.. He's signed for 7 years after this one.....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 1:01 am EST

Vic you're spot on about the dollar$....

mf


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:54 am EST

Before I go to bed I just want to say that I'm not opposed to bringing in E. STAAL. I think he still has mileage left in him. However, to bring him in BRASSARD has to be going the other way, amongst others. The only way to make that deal work is if someone who is making at least $5 Mil or more goes the other way. Carolina isn't going to eat salary in any deal so you can forget about that. As for trading MILLER for VERMETTE. My answer is HELL NO. That is exactly the kind of deal I DON"T want to see the Rangers make. If the Rangers want to trade one of their AHL prospects like HAGERTY or LINDBERG for VERMETTE then fine. I don't think that is enough to get a deal done but I wouldn't give up much more then that for a UFA rental.

Vic


Sun Jan 18 2015 12:08 am EST

Zip also worded things in such a way, "if the NYR go after a star forward' & JT would be in demand by teams. He's putting the word out not just to Canes but AZ too. We talked about it today. So Zip owes you royalties too.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 11:55 pm EST

RR -- that seems like a plausible trade to me....some type of package involving those 2 would make sense....Carolina is dead in the water, they don't want Staal's salary any more and AV doesn't give JT a break. Salary has to be shed by the Rangers though. E. Staal seems like a perfect candidate for the "change of scenery" theory. Very interesting....

JFC31


Sat Jan 17 2015 11:51 pm EST

Me on Jan. 5: ""the 3rd & 4th lines are not even close to what we had last season....I've been saying all season, we don't have a 3rd & 4th line just a collection of bottom 6 players....it can't continue that way." Me on Wednesday: "Enough with the flock of bottom 6 forwards....set up,a 3rd & 4th line with minutes that go according to those designations." Larry Brooks today:"Last year, the Rangers featured three scoring lines and a defined fourth unit. This year, they have two scoring lines and six other forwards whose roles lack definition. Sometimes having an interchangeable flock of forwards can be a blessing. Other times, not so much." Where's my royalty check? :^)

JFC31


Sat Jan 17 2015 11:33 pm EST

Zip in Newsday says Staal's resigning coyld help lure Eric, the big center they need, to come here. His words not mind. Presume hes talking about ESs NMC Doubt itd be a hard sell. Next paragraph he says every team that talks trade with Rangers asks about JT. Read like an advertisment to me.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 5:59 pm EST

I'd be ok with Miller being traded in a deal for Antoine Vermette. Vermette is what this team needs right now: 55% on draws for the season. Is on pace for a 50+ point season, is defensively responsible, has Ranger-speed and would take some pressure off of Hayes. Furthermore, if he could be had without giving up Hagelin, a line of Hagelin-Vermette-Fast would be uncatchable!

evets1980


Sat Jan 17 2015 5:48 pm EST

Doubt it and would bet against that being the case..

mf


Sat Jan 17 2015 5:39 pm EST

https://twitter.com/realkyper/status/556570925647548418 AV's supposedly dangling O'Reilly for defensive help

puckyou


Sat Jan 17 2015 3:43 pm EST

maybe it was TD's tone & responses.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 3:34 pm EST

We are loaded at wing, but 3 in top 9 are UFA and another two are RFA.

Messier11


Sat Jan 17 2015 3:05 pm EST

IMNSHO, the tone & responses to others over time are the #1 reason people like TD packed it in.

mf


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:37 pm EST

There's a lot of ways of looking at JT. Now you could be giving up a pretty good player.before it was forecast for him, but he never put together as many good NHL games as he just did at wing.Its not a projection anumoremwhen he's done it across 8-10 games.he did it,was one of the best players on the ice a few times too. Same time, you could look and say early in the string he player well against some lesser teams. But as we went out west and the teams got better and came back for NYI/BOS he struggled. They shifted hjis position of course.make he didn't even dress for one, but that was last night unless I'm missing one.mso its murky and dangerous and maybe stupid not to deal him, very hard to say. this handling of him also may have led to the disappearance of TD.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:29 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/khl-player-makes-insane-two-zone-lob-pass-for-breakaway-goal/

mf


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:26 pm EST

LeoS: Agree! Slegs, not a very good piece of evidence towards the prosecution og, "The Cook." ;-(

mf


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:24 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/goalie-reto-berra-scores-skates-along-the-handshake-line-to-celebrate/

mf


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:14 pm EST

On that Cooke/Weber thing, I see Weber coming in with seeming intent to crosscheck Cooke. Cooke just got his (advance, yet retaliatory, hah!) shot in quicker and higher, not unlike what some here would like to see from Rick Nash (not that I disagree, either). Then Cooke got pounded.

LeoS


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:12 pm EST

I'm fine with JT getting moved, but Sather had better get fair value in return.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 2:06 pm EST

True JFC. Im really starting to feel for JT. This is why I was hootin & hollerin" about calling up a center the other day. JT was playing great (at wing). They had to fuck with him. I just dont get it. But if this becomes yet another failed trial how could anyone be surprised if he gets moved?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:59 pm EST

Drew -- glad you liked it. Sharp looks like a genuinely good, warm-hearted person.

JFC31


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:59 pm EST

The fact that AV thinks JT Miller is a better forward than he is a center is probably dangerous tombs Rangers career. The Rangers are loaded with wings throughout the organization. If Sather goes after a center, he's going to be more willing to,part with players who play a position in which he has a glut. Add to that the appearance that AV just doesn't care for the kids game all that much and I don't think Sather will hesitate to,include him in a deal. .

JFC31


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:56 pm EST

Dont think Kassian is anywhere near the player Foligno is. Also hard to see AV integrating someone slower into the lineup, though supposedly he liked Kassian in VC

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:45 pm EST

JFC - that Patrick Sharp video was great! Thanks for sharing that.

DREW


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:29 pm EST

BTW, looking at Foligno's career numbers at Kassian's age he was putting up similar numbers, albeit less PIMs.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:28 pm EST

NYRanger - yep; always liked Foligno and thought he'd be a fine addition to the Rangers. Guess what? Zach Kassian is a similar sort of player, but I'd say has more of an edge to him. He's also bigger (by 3 inches and 15 lbs) and younger (by 4 years) than Foligno. Last year in 73 games Kassian had 14 goals, 29 points and 124 PIMs. Could he be had for Carl Hagelin? Would anyone do that? Hags's speed would be missed, but I'd argue Fast's emergence might be making Hags a little redundant?

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:24 pm EST

JFC: Agreed 100%. Imagine having Glass, Kassian and McI all in the lineup regularly (and of course playing reasonably well). There goes any concern whenever you're facing a team like the Bruins. That that slewfoot on Brassard by Marchand went without even a hint of a challenge by the Rangers highlights for me how understaffed in that regard this Ranger club is. That move by Marchand and the opposition's total lack of response was exactly the sort of crap he pulled against the Canucks in the final that helped the Bruins win. AV cannot boast of a cup victory and that's one of the reasons why. How he cannot see that and how he's an icing a team with the exact same turn the other cheek philosophy is beyond me. He's either stupid or stubborn or both.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 11:32 am EST

Ive been working a lot lately so I have missed the last 2 games. saw Low lights of kreider fighting chris Kelly. somebody needs to teach the big boy how to fight. big kid like that should be kicking ass not getting his ass kicked

KIS


Sat Jan 17 2015 11:08 am EST

Always liked Foligno but hes a LW we have no room for. Unless their patience is wearing on Hagelin. I admit mine was a bit because he was so good in the POs I hoped hed carry it over. Thought he found another level. But hes playing with Hayes, and again not to knock the kid but dont see how theyve been great for each other. And no one took my bait so ill put it another way. Why is Staal talking about the csp & what to do going forward? Hes signed now longterm. Is he the new GM? Ahem.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 10:56 am EST

RF, Nick Foligno should have been a Ranger, but Sather did not seem to be interested. I don't think he cost that much when he got traded?

NYStranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 10:51 am EST

I am always for getting 'team' tougher, while none of our guys are cowards who shy away they are for the most part a turn the other cheek bunch, who IMO can be pushed around too much but certain teams. If we want to win the Cup you have to be able to beat anybody in the playoffs. You can not just hope to avoid the Bostons of the world and get lucky like last season. BUT that said, the number one priority for Sather is to get a center who can win. Some damn face-offs. If he can only do one move, that has to be the weakness that is addressed.

NYStranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 10:49 am EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24964564/video-patrick-sharp-blackhawks-give-blind-fan-best-day-of-her-life ....this is fantastic stuff. If this doesn't touch your heart, you don't have one. Wow....

JFC31


Sat Jan 17 2015 10:31 am EST

RF -- I must admit, I don't know enough about Kassian to make a useful judgement, but I like the theory of getting him based on the descriptions I've read here on The Wall. I find the discussions on "tough guys" and fighting very interesting and I agree wholeheartedly that "goons" were, are and always will be a joke....but guys who can skate well, hit, chip in goals,and fight too....now THAT is the kind of,guy who is valuable. If Kassian is that type, and if he might be had at a discount because he's out of favor in Vancouver....well. That's themkind of,situation where you can hit the jackpot in a trade. What is amazing to me is that some folks just don't seem to understand the team dynamic and the psychological factors that influence a hockey team. when Kreider boarded Sidenberg and was confronted immediately by a Bruin sticking up,for his team mate...to say that it meant nothing to the Bruins and that it changed nothing indicates a lack of understanding or appreciation for how that helps bond a team and create a cohesive unit....you can't overstate the importance of that IMO. They talk about football being the ultimate team sport but to me, it's hockey. Last night, Glass was challenged by Bole (?) and he answered the challenge and fought well.....was that meaningless? Methinks not....the Rangers immediately upped their game after that and scored. Their overall team hitting increased and continued for the remainder of the match. Coincidence? No way. It may not have changed the outcome for the BJs in THAT game, but it doesn't mean it's not valuable to the team culture of,the BJs in the long run....the other guys feel that if another team starts running us out of,the rink, there are guys on this team who will stand up, put their well-being at risk to stop it so that the team can recover. If Lassian is that type of player, of course he would be welcomed here by myself and most fans. I hope,the NHL goes back to the old days when even the best players would fight....no need for goons, just the culture of every player knowing that if yountabackchcking liberties. There are guys on the other team on each line who can make you pay PERSONALLY...not two talentless cavemen symbolically fighting the fight

JFC31


Sat Jan 17 2015 9:42 am EST

We've chatted about this before and no one seems to have found any indication that the Rangers are interested, but it appears Zach Kassian is definitely on the market. Did AV like or dislike him? Can anyone recall? If it's the former I like to think Sather has at least discussed a possible deal with the Canucks. What it would take, however, I've no idea. I do like the notion of Kassian in a Ranger uniform. I think he's got enough skill to play on the 2nd line if/when he rediscovers his game. I'd like him on the 3rd line in the meantime over Stempniak.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 9:36 am EST

I guess I'm being a little unfair to Foligno, although I'm willing to bet he'll struggle to hit 30 goals by year's end.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 9:34 am EST

BTW, interesting to see that the BJs are 26th overall in the league. All the hype about them is proving to be just that - hype. They lack overall top end skill and IMO, other than the goalie (who's very good) and Johansen, they are all average players.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 9:09 am EST

stevie: It was Shea Weber that phucker crosschecked then turtled when a very angry Weber went after him. What a phucking punk-ass coward (like Marchand). Watch the clip - pretty funny (where is that man's integrity anyways and why do teams pay assholes like these): http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-see-it-cooke-cross-checks-weber-gets-scared-turtles/

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 9:05 am EST

rf4l cook? no wild says he's changed. Did you see him crosscheck a guy to his jaw the other night?...and no suspension....because he claims he's changed, and wants to give advise to other players...wafj.....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:59 am EST

BTW, another win for the Islanders as they beat the Penguins. Methinks they are the real deal...

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:55 am EST

What Carcillo did to Perreault yesterday is why I didn't like him coming to NY and why I'm glad he's gone. What an a-one asshole who, like Matt Phuckin' Cook, should have been suspended out of the league years ago.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:53 am EST

As long fighting is permitted in the game, IMO a team needs at least 1 guy and preferably 2 or 3, who are willing to drop them and are good at it. Fortunately, NHL hockey for almost every team, has moved away from the goon players - that stuff I hated. It's contrary to why the advocates to allow fighting (a pressure release, a way to let off angry steam) to see fighters patting each other on the back after a bout. That, too, is starting to disappear. I digress. I remain convinced part of the reason the Rangers lost their previous 2 games is they were looking over their collective shoulder, waiting for the big hit, the cheapshot, especially against Boston. Watch some of the games last night and you see people stepping up in defense of their teammates when they see what the consider a cheapshot. Hell we saw it in the Bruin/Ranger game when Chris Kelly beat up Chris Kreider after Kreider's hit from behind on a teammate. Kudos to Glass for stepping up. I so desperately wish AV would give McI a decent chance to play - he would bring so much to the Rangers in that regard.

RF4L


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:42 am EST

wild you must be smarter than guys like Duguay, a former player and coach, and Valliquette, to name just 2 who disagree with you. They said it last night in the post game show. But what do they know being former nhl players mentioning Nicky Fotiu and Colton Orr their teammates, and their affect on the team and a game when they fought. And giving Glass credit for doing it, and the NYR scoring shortly after. Do you need 19 more pros saying it ?.....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:31 am EST

Stevie: no. You and people like you have lost track of what hockey is. It's not fighting. How much of a moron was that guy the other night who went at Kreider? It was only 2-0 against one of the top scoring teams in the NHL and he gives away a PP to prove how tough he was and how tough the team is. Guess what. NOTHING CHANGES! Bet the house Kreider will still hot guys, and will not be afraid of anyone on the ice. It's brainless stupid and not needed in hockey. AV is NOT against fights...just stupid brainless needless will do noting to change anything fights that are about 95% of the NHL fights now. If a guy is over and over doing something he is ok with it...even said so....if a guy does something once it's beainless goonery. And glass was out because the team was winning. How hard is that to see?

Wildcard


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:15 am EST

wild so has your defending anything .....why was glass sitting for so long?.....coaches like talkerella and veenyo tend to send a message to players not to take penalties, so they don't fight....is that possible?.....I wanted jt in over glass because he wasn't standing up for his teammates while playing hockey , which is why he was signed....I was wrong.....not sure you ever think that the coach is wrong or you are.. again .....is that possible?

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:08 am EST

T Mac @Timmac66 @rangersreport the "NHL situation room".. pic.twitter.com/NreHAnJyvi Retweeted by Rangers Report

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:07 am EST

The only fighting AV doesn't like is the staged stuff. He said it...he even said about McIlrath that if he thought a guy was running the Rangers players than the fight was ok. But if not he didn't like it. Also if he hates fighting so much why was glass in the day after a fight and why did he get the same amount ice after both fights? This idea AV doesn't lik physical hockey has taken on a life of its own

Wildcard


Sat Jan 17 2015 8:06 am EST

Marc S. Posner @marcposner Don't watch if squeamish. RT @GoJetsGoDmo: Carcillo breaks Perreault's arm with a crosscheck. https://vine.co/v/OjeWBqrmlI0

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 7:52 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/16/rangers-offense-wakes-up-lundqvist-slams-door-vs-jackets/

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 7:50 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/16/rangers-marc-staal-agree-on-six-year-extension/

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 7:24 am EST

It's not about winning the fights as much as getting the team fired up. I'm not sure why veenyo has forgotten the purpose of fights. Something Big Mac has to learn but it's part of why the coach doesn't like him and why the team gave him the hat. Even the nhl somewhat understands it . Some fans are like veenyo and some are worried about the penalties or the pc nonsense. .... Alias the wussification ... It's psychologically bonding and inspiring for teammates.... It's a necessary part of a teams' success ... The nyr might have finally figured it out. . I doubt veenyo has and he use to fight as a player. Even jimmyboy and sather know it. " you can never be tough enough".... Not to be mixed up with broad st bullying ... But that's better than wearing a dress / girlieman metrosexual ....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 17 2015 5:53 am EST

Staal "with the cap its not easy to know about salaries and what to do going forward." Ahem. I wont ready anything in to that. But you can. And AV on whether JT better at wing "without a doubt "

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 1:39 am EST

People minimze fights nowadays, and no argument on the staged stuff we were seeing as lot of not very long ago. Ridiculous. But the real stuff can be vital, like it is for the Rangers now Imwo. Theyve had 3-4 these last few games, win or lose its important to answer the bell. It gives a boost at a time theyre mentally tired, imo. Was expected in these games, but theyre better off for it. Let'em get knocked around and fight together. Then you either become a team or not. These guys are a real team I believe. But I dont think we see their best till the POs. Think all these guys view the season as a nuisance & just want to get back.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Jan 17 2015 12:47 am EST

Liked the Klein fight. Glass', eh. Seemed to run out of gas and hold on pretty soon in. Got his shots in early, still left himself open for Boll. His hits on the other hand, totally solid.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:29 pm EST

Won 26-51 faceoffs

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:24 pm EST

Didnt see it but Maloney was raving about Glass popping 3 good shots early in their scrap and handled himself well. Thats a good job by an unsung guy everbody on the internets has been killing since before he played a game for us. KID K with winner, just saw it. NICE.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:22 pm EST

So duguay and valiquette claiming glass the hero got the team fired up along with Klein by fighting.... Wonder if veenyo agrees....guess jt will hope not...

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:15 pm EST

MF - They are playing back 2 back games tonight and tom night...Going tomorrow night...Watching a real feisty game between Win-Chi right now..Make the Ranger-CBJ game look like a Lady Byng fest...And Dan Carcillo being Dan Carcillo

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:58 pm EST

Trade no BB one. Sather Sucks.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:57 pm EST

Hospo, I thought we were getting a Wolfpack update complete with photos, footage & souvenirs.....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:52 pm EST

Must WIN! Islanders pounded the Pens.....they are scary good. I think we would be a cup contender had we added Hartnell and Orpic. Time to package Haglin for a physical winger. And I can't believe AV sat Miller instead of that stiff Stepniac. At this point I'm hoping he pulls a groin.

MelvilleFred


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:43 pm EST

I know alot has to do with what your opponent lets you do, but compared to the last two games the Rangers were quicker, faster, and played with more passion and balls/physoicality..As a team...Well, at least for 45 minutes or so then kinda held on..Team effort..for the most part..And I agree that Glass's energy helped at least a little.........And in the category of hell freezing over....The Rangers won the FO battle and when I turned the game back on in the 2nd period..I heard the words...."Hayes with a Hit!"..I shit you not.!..Kidding aside, I though HAYES and his linemates played a good, involved game..the best from him I've seen (in a two way fashion)..Maybe prasie helps a players Confidnece? Maybe AV should try that with MIller for a change?

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:19 pm EST

and no Ranger comes to Staals defense.....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:02 pm EST

I think Don Maloney is the trivia answer.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:51 pm EST

Overall, the Rangers have been pretty physical tonight and it has made a huge difference

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:50 pm EST

Good chance Glass will get the Broadway Hat if we win this one.

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:49 pm EST

By far Tanner Glass' best game as a Ranger....he set the tone with multiple effective hits and then answered the bell for a good scrap. Rangers seemed to feed off of it and raise their level after that

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:23 pm EST

the good guys showin' some scrap; gotta say i love it!

pa.rangersfan


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:18 pm EST

WOW..KID K!

DOUBLEN


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:17 pm EST

Marty missed, Staal credited with the goal....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:12 pm EST

No miss marty

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:10 pm EST

Miss Marty with the goal.....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:10 pm EST

How about that, two teams in two nights come to the aid of their mates.. The NY Rangers, no....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:43 pm EST

Callin' him Marty Miss from now on.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:42 pm EST

9 periods

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:40 pm EST

Glass set up a good scoring opportunity, mark the calendar... Geoffrey the giraffe with at least two hits this period....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:38 pm EST

Staal back, thank God. NICK: Donnie Baseball is my favorite baseball player of all time so you can't completely cut me off, old man :)

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:36 pm EST

Hospo, Chin: As a Dodger fan, you are dead to me. :-)

Nick


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:36 pm EST

No Staal on that PK. Not good, unless it's an equipment issue.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:34 pm EST

Time to turn big Mac into a wing. He can't be any worse than glass, Hayes.

barto


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:27 pm EST

Need water for the drought

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:25 pm EST

Gotta say, Step's got the hands that settle down the entire offense & PP. Whether they scored or not...... which they didn't.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:16 pm EST

That was a nice giveaway by Stepan. Good thing JT Miller didn't do it he'd get sent to Leavenworth.... Rangers are playing like they want to lose 3-0 a 3rd game in a row... VIC, what are the odds? ;-)

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:10 pm EST

got it. all good NN.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:10 pm EST

What's hattnin' with the magic link NN?! Im lookin' at Bryan Trottier in an Islander jersey, or all things!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 7:05 pm EST

One thing with Glass is that you can't even count on him to get an assist. That said, it's up to the 2 other 4th liners to figure how to score if you're expecting any offense from that line.... So, if Glass is in the line-up, if the 3rd line doesn't put up any points, all the offense falls on the top six.... That's some damn good gibberish!

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:54 pm EST

But, at the drop of the puck, gotta root for the kid...Love to See a Ranger onslaught in the first period..They need it

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:53 pm EST

So veenyo thinks glass should be in after scratching him and his stand in 2 Nd line center should be out...: I disagree .... Miller is better than glass for a team that has no goals for 8 periods....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:53 pm EST

Hey AV, the guy you praised has 1 goal, 1 hit and 1 FO win in the last 15 games..Miller makes a few mistakes but has done almost everything else better..Oh well

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:50 pm EST

CHIN - Yeah, I like MIller on Wing also and he does make his matakes when playing C, but Hayes is just so dam soft, recenlty ineffective as worhtless on FOs.....And Honestly, if the Rangers are going to trade a kid for some vet talent, it might as well be MILLER the way AV treats him compared to younguns like Quickie and Haysie

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:47 pm EST

HOSPO: I hear you on Hayes, but like I just posted it doesn't seem like Miller plays well when he plays center. He's been really good most games he's played on the wing. So I doubt AV sees JT replacing Hayes in the middle as an option unless there's an injury.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:46 pm EST

JFC: And that's why I think it's insane that Miller gets scratched every time he doesn't have a really good game. He's our best shot at secondary scoring in the bottom 6. Unfair to use a less the stellar game at center, where it's become obvious (to AV as well, based on his comments) he's not as well suited. I like grit and value it, but give me JT Miller over Tanner Glass every day of the week. Obviously some have Stempniak and Fast in this convo as well, just not sure if AV does.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:45 pm EST

JFC - Forget two games, try the last 10-12 games with the Hayes line...

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:43 pm EST

STEVIE - Gee, what a surprise..As i said at 2:02PM "If Step can play, my bet is it's MILLER out and GLASS in...Lord knows we need the 0.162 hits pr game that Hayes brings against the BJs.."....Prove me wrong Hayes, hit somebody!

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:41 pm EST

BTW, another continuing disappointment/weakness that has been exposed the last 2 games is lack of scoring from the bottom 6. Basically, if the top 6 don't score, we're gonna lose and that should not be a consistent occurrence. Every once in a while you need to be able to have the 3rd/4th line guys pick up the others and win some games for us and that is not happening this season. You can't allow the other teams to load up against our top 6 and not have the bottom 6 pick up some of the slack

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:38 pm EST

Rangers Report &#10004; @rangersreport Looks like Miller out and Stepan (and Glass) in, per @AGrossRecord.

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:36 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord By the way, Stepan has an A on his jersey. Pretty fair indication he'll play tonight.

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:29 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Stepan will take warmups, be a game-time decision. No word yet on who might come out (IMO, it would be Miller, we'll see).

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:18 pm EST

HOSPO: Pence is awesome, but also a crazy person, in a good way. Actually became pretty tight with Bum this year which is hilarious. He introduced me to his family as his "New York Jewish friend", so that was fun. Don't want to get yelled at for off topic stuff, so let me know your email addy and I can fill you in more.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:13 pm EST

CHIN - Sounds like alot of fun, that PENCE is some ball of energy...neded to offset the Posey's and Madbum's

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:13 pm EST

I hear ya, just don't think guys like Glass and Stempniak, who are a dime a dozen, have much trade value. At this point, not sure how much John Moore does either. You have to assume they'd ask for at least one good young player with upside. All I really care about is Stepan being healthy, because as we've seen he's pretty vital to the team. Disappointed in Brassard the past few games, but everyone's entitled to a little slippage. Hope that line brings it tonight, they need to.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:08 pm EST

again, chin, Im calling that a base to build a deal from. Maybe a base of Hags, McIlrath, picks doesn't get it done. Maybe something close to that does. I honestly could only guess. Pressures on Carolina also play in our favor.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:59 pm EST

At least we can agree that ref is a moron!

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:58 pm EST

MESS: Agree to disagree, as to me (and RF4L, apparently), that trade is very Rangers-centric from both value and the viewpoint sides. I have no idea why any team would trade a good player with some value (understanding his contract is a bit of an albatross) for basically nothing. 3rd and 4th liners and 3rd pair defensemen aren't what rebuilding teams are going after. Hope you're right though. HOSPO: Hope all is well, fellow clueless jackass. Not going to be imbedded with the Giants 24-7 style like I was a few years back but been spending a lot of time with those guys the past few years. Actually going to be shooting with Affeldt and Pence in the coming weeks.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:57 pm EST

jfc the ref told brassard it wasn't a penalty when it happened....they should suspend the ref too....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:55 pm EST

biggest bullshit non call of the night. Second was that slash on Mcdonagh behind the net that led to his turnover and the goal

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:54 pm EST

Oh, actually it was stevie quoting Rangersreport

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:51 pm EST

My son just texted me about Marchand being suspended and Imcame on to post and saw stevielegs beat me to my own opinion...LOL! Freakin' ref was looking RIGHT AT IT! Not only was it a slew foot, it was also INTERFERENCE....the puck was in the corner and Brass was going for it....and the ref called NOTHING! Basically it's the NHL saying the ref doesn't know what the fudge he's doing...but what else is new?

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:47 pm EST

I take it back: in 2012-13, Boyle was in our top five in playoff scoring, in our two round playoff drive. Still, 19 PO points in 58 PO games. Not a solid source of offense in the POs. Contributory, at best. Defensively, another matter entirely.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:45 pm EST

if they eat some dubi salary, it might make sense...... I doubt the vindictive genius wants him back.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:43 pm EST

Boyle never really scored above a third-line level in the POs. He became more tenacious, hit more, blocked more shots, was rougher in the corners. Maybe he scored a little more. Not a whole lot either way. Not more than most third liners, in the playoffs.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:43 pm EST

Rangers Report &#10004; @rangersreport So Marchand commits slew foot five feet from ref, who is looking at it, and gets no penalty, but a suspension. NHL refs: Hey, ya never know!

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:42 pm EST

VIC - Damn straight.Brass came that close to slamming his head agasint the ice, not to mention the shock to the back......but according to the Bruin announcers it was clean and pure upper body leverage!!!!

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:39 pm EST

always was a fan of Dubinsky but after next season he is locked up at 5.8 mill until 2021. He doesn't do enough point-wise to deserve that cap hit, IMO. Otherwise, Id love to have him back.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:38 pm EST

Id say no thanks to Dubi, speaking of blockheads. I would say one of the reasons Boyle left is he wanted a shot at the No. 3 center role. If he were here now, we would have the faceoff help and at least some of the physical play (he was never a world-beater but he wasn't easy to play against). So besides the cash he wanted, which wasn't crazy, it came down to offense. Offense which he showed one year, didn't for 3 years - but did show in two playoff years. IDK, he's got to be looking at us saying I told you so, at least a little. I know he was on TBs 4th, but that doesn't mean its where he'd have ended up here. For the whatever file.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:37 pm EST

Vic just an indication to the quality of some refs

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:37 pm EST

great news on Marchand. Too late to help us, but right move. End dirty shit from classless punks like him.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:33 pm EST

Funny how that obvious Slew Foot wasn't worth a penalty in the game but was worth a 2 game suspension today. That should have been a 5 minute major and game misconduct. It is one of the most dangerous things in hockey and if you want to see me go berserk on the ice just slew foot me.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:32 pm EST

maybe they want to trade dubi back......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:31 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Per @Aportzline, Brandon Dubinsky out of the top six tonight and will start centering the fourth line for the Blue Jackets.

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:30 pm EST

NHL Player Safety &#10004; @NHLPlayerSafety Boston's Brad Marchand has been suspended two games for a slew-foot on New York Rangers' Derick Brassard. Video: http://ow.ly/3vMzFz

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:23 pm EST

I would guess Francis appreciates a playmaker, and Hayes is good young & big. Vic will hate me. Id say Hayes McIlrath pick for Staal Isnt unreasonable considering remaining $ on Staal's contract (which is I believe 8.5 thru next year) If they want to swap Sekera for Moore maybe thst gets added in.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 5:19 pm EST

Pat Leonard &#10004; @PLeonardNYDN Vigneault says Stepan skated this AM and is a game-time decision vs the Jackets tonight

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 4:52 pm EST

CHINSTRAP - Hey you CLUELESS JACKASS! Welcome back! Are you gonna cover my dynastic Panda-less SF Giants in the spring?

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 4:47 pm EST

Don't know if this was posted yet: http://nypost.com/2015/01/16/rangers-marc-staal-closing-in-on-six-year-deal/

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 4:25 pm EST

might end up being more, but I think a deal could be formed from the available group of Hags, Moore, McIlrath, Glass, Stemp, picks

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:50 pm EST

Chin, cmon. I understand the CBA which allows teams to eat up to half, and mostly understand the sliding scale on cap hits at the deadline, where you wont have to fit Staal's whole whack even if Canes didnt divey up. And think we have almost $3m in space now. They fit him in easy. If its Sekera too might be why theyr waiting.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:50 pm EST

Staal can determine his destination just like anyone else with NTC. Carolina must pare salary and he's been on market for awhile

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:50 pm EST

Moore is currently a 6th/7th d-man, Glass is a 4th liner and Stempniak is a journeyman 3rd/4th line 'tweener. No way would they fetch anything near an Eric Staal IMO.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:48 pm EST

chin: That's why I said what Mess proposed likely wouldn't get a sniff. He's their franchise guy, even if he's not delivering lately like that (who is on that team anyways)? He's a fan favourite. And if he is willing to accept a trade, he can be shopped for more than Hags and Ranger throw-aways. Realistically, Hags, JT and Skeji might get their attention. Might. It depends on what else is out there for him.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:44 pm EST

they all have value. Moore, Stemp, Glass can all play today. McIlrath maybe soon.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:39 pm EST

Rabid: You don't seem to understand that we can't trade 2 young guys making little money and a pick for a guy making big time money, we're close to up against the cap and need to have the salaries match fairly closely to make a trade.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:38 pm EST

And add Moore into D mix. Forgot.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:37 pm EST

Of course you can add up 3 or 4 players to equal $7 mil, but the only one of those guys who has any value is Hags, and he's a 3rd liner who can fill in on the 2nd line so not exactly the centerpiece for a good player. In theory John Moore has minor value, but that's what John Moore has been in his career - potentially pretty good in theory. I'm fine with him as a #6 but teams don't trade their franchise center (even if they want to get out of his contract and he's no longer a true #1) for a 3rd liner, a 3rd pair D man, a 4th liner with the worst possession stats in the NHL the past 2 years and another 3rd/4th line veteran who's no great shakes.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:36 pm EST

I didnt want to start another brouhaha but I think Canes jump at one of each from F-D; Miller/Hayes, MCI/Skjei. Throw"en a pick & its done.Francis got the order to cut like Maloney. They already ditched a D a few weeks ago. Ward is next if they find a taker. Semin too but doubt they get lucky. Even I wouldnt want him on a sweetheart deal anymore. I think the fans know its time for a change. Some good fans, transplants down there. Theyve seen this act play out before. To me Staal is a classic franchise guy, got worn out toob young. Plenty left to help us. We dont need that much.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:24 pm EST

stempniak moveable also

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:24 pm EST

depends what Carolina is willing to retain. Hags, Glass, J Moore cover a good chunk.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:14 pm EST

Eric Staal makes around $8 mil a year. He's not an option with our cap situation.

chinstrap


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:05 pm EST

Hospo: LOL...I see your point. But bonging does produce what the bongie believes are profound revelations that more often than not, aren't!

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:04 pm EST

Mess: Of course, that's possible. He's got a ton of raw skill - just cannot seem to harness it. Sort of like Kreider, except instead of hitting guys from behind into the boards too often, he gives the puck away. When he's on offensively, he controls the puck ala Brian Leetch.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:03 pm EST

RF4L - Becasue many a time around here it's used in a way of calling the person an idiot for having that opinon..key word OPINION..Just me.

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:03 pm EST

Have already been talking to Carolina about Sekera, probably also based around Moore. Perhaps deal could be expanded. Great if they took Glass and his cap hit off our hands.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:57 pm EST

RF-maybe playing with Klein , learning from Ulf settles him down. Both teams seem ready to move on from their project Ds. Both are getting to the age where their ceiling is more determinable. Toronto has other kids I'm sure they'd like to get time to.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:56 pm EST

Eric Staal is intriguing and I think he's still got gas left in the tank - probably a change of scenary would do him wonders. Can he be had for McI and Hags? I think not a chance. Remember, he's the premier name for the Canes so the fanbase might not be overly receptive to having him traded away, especially if you don't fetch much back. I think

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:54 pm EST

Wild it's a crunch in the respect that it forces a decision on Hayes. Demoting him is one solution to the crunch.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:52 pm EST

I was pushing for Staal last season before Step turned the corner offensively. It still makes sense, but only if he still has legs, if Carolina would retain major salary. Also helps us re-sign Marc, potentially for a cap-favorable deal. Does McIlrath, Hags pick get it done? Not sure about that. I like Hags a lot, but with our depth at wing we can easily absorb the loss. Step/Brass/Staal makes us deepest in league. Kreider/Step/MSL, Miller/Brass/MZA, Nash/Staal/Hayes, Glass/Moore/Fast. Next season sub Duke into third line and Miller Hayes in for Moore Glass on 4th. That is a dangerous team.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:51 pm EST

Hospo: Why don't you like 'pass the bong' comments?

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:49 pm EST

If Gardiner becomes a Ranger he'll quickly become the favourite whipping boy on here, unless he does a miraculous career turn-around. He is very talented but I think just plain dumb. Time and time he makes boneheaded decisions on the ice, is terrible 1 on 1, is out of position more often than not does inexplicably stupid things like batting the puck out of the air way over his head in his own zone, mindless of where the puck might land (which results in a FO in his own end if it's a teammate or utter chaos if it's the opposition). I'd trade him 1 up for Moore, then immediately look to move him elsewhere in a larger deal.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:49 pm EST

HOSPO: Poor choice of words on my part. Heat of the moment. My apologies.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:48 pm EST

Mess: I don't see a C crunch. Hayes is young and showing that he is a rookie, and he is hitting the wall. So if Sather goes out and gets a 3rd line C Hayes will be just fine in Hartford. So its an easy fix to the teams needs, a good 3rd line C who can win draws, and maybe have some more gritty style, and Hayes still gets to play a ton.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:37 pm EST

You're right Mess. Bit of a low blow on Boyle. Im pissed at him because he should be here. Whatever. Nah Im thinking its gonna be Staal, who might be cheaper to trade for. His contract isnt cheap but Id think two good not great pieces gets him. Theyd probably rake Hagelin & McIlrath & a pick. But I wouldnt trade Hags.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:31 pm EST

Personally, I think Boyle is a smart player, could keep an uncommonly (too) cool head. Carcillo was our last blockhead. Blockheads get goaded into more penalties than they can draw. Liked his play though.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:28 pm EST

Could see them going after Bozak also, if the price is right, and if they're ready to either demote Hayes or move him to wing. Until he can improve in FOs, we can't move Dom Moore. Crunch at C if we acquire another.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:27 pm EST

Flyers arent trading Simmons here. Maybe Winnipeg. Hospo, yeah Hanzal's a blockhead sometimes. I normally detest that, but thats how bad we need what he brings. the big nasty types arent usually the brightest bulbs. Look at Boyle, he was no genius. Especially if you gave him a puck.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:21 pm EST

Speed is a quality; there's no cap on it. Wing is a position; we can only ice 8 of them each game. If we acquire a wing, another comes out. So, Simmonds in, maybe Stempniak out. Are we a better team with Simmonds playing 2RW, MZA playing 3RW? Maybe. But depth at wing isn't our weakness.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:13 pm EST

RABID - HANZAL does bring what we FANS would like to see, a bit of the nasty, big and strong but he's also talented and can take FOs...OTOH, he's more of a free-lancer and a bit loose/selfish regards to team play..I just do nt see him being somebody AV or even Sather would want..But I wouldn't mind if you're wish came true

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:07 pm EST

Just watched Richards vs. Hanzal; not much of a scrap, though Richards is fearless. But this is from last week; check out Hanzal take out 3 Canucks within 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC7ga8h3C6o

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:05 pm EST

Speed is not our weakness either, and I'd gladly add more of it..

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:02 pm EST

If Step can play, my bet is it's MILLER out and GLASS in...Lord knows we need the 0.162 hits pr game that Hayes brings against the BJs..

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:56 pm EST

My guess is that they're looking at 24 yr old Jake Gardiner, who played with McD and Step at U Wisconsin. Maybe a Moore for Gardiner swap

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:53 pm EST

Rangers Report &#10004; @rangersreport Brad Marchand out collecting refund bottles to pay the anticipated fine from Dept. of Player Safety. That'll stop it.

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:51 pm EST

gross..."The NHL’s Department of Player Safety announced that the Bruins’ Brad Marchand will have a hearing this afternoon for his slew foot on the Rangers’ Derick Brassard (more on that below). - The Rangers have not called up anybody from Hartford (AHL) for the second leg of this three-game road trip. That would seem to increase the odds that Derek Stepan may be able to return to the lineup after missing Thursday’s loss at Boston due to an upper-body injury. However, that’s pure speculation. Coach Alain Vigneault addresses the media at 5 p.m. today here in Columbus (just landed) with the team not having a morning skate today. "

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:47 pm EST

wild so why haven't they called limburger or Mueller up?.....take another shot at defending their decisions and indecisions....it may make sense to you, but it doesn't to me......you can agree with veenyo and or sather, .....on just about everything, I try but can't all the time......is that ok with you?.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:45 pm EST

earlier point correct: wing not our weakness.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:38 pm EST

Sorry Mf. I looked as well they have him listed right wing for Schenn. I thought he usually plays left wing for Schenn and sometimes with Giroux. I kow when they push they have Vorecek on right , giroux at center and simmonds on left. My apologies

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:37 pm EST

KIS, apologies then.. when I checked he is listed as a RW, and every time he wreaks havoc on us he seems to be parked in front of our crease on the right side.... If Schenn sucks, F him.. some times got to throw someone against The Wall to see if he'll stick....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:33 pm EST

Sorry Mf. I watch a ton of Flyer games being in the Philthy Market and that guy plays on the left.

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:32 pm EST

No to Nraden schenn. He sucks. He is not better than any Ranger center Period.

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:32 pm EST

KIS: Simmonds is a RW....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:31 pm EST

Stevie: I said ZERO about call ups. but HOLDING an extra player is just stupid in a cap world. I just posted a bit ago that Lindberg should be used at center and that Miller needs to moved to win ASAP. So I agree with that. As for camp. MSL did better that any of the centers they sent down would have as a top 2 guy. The guys they sent down were not worth anything.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:31 pm EST

RR: Let's see Philthy is cash strapped but good with a roster that's not making the playoffs... BRADEN SCHENN & WAYNE SIMMONDS would change things up for us... Combined cap hit $5,975,000..... As others have stated here, it's time for Sather to earn his pay.. It's time to, "pull a Gomez!" :->

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:31 pm EST

MF, as much as I would love Simmonds on this teamit wont happen. Yes he would bring some toughness and physicality. Yes he is great in front of the goal especially on the PP. Who are you gonna move? Nash? Kreider. Both play on the left like Simmonds. I would love to move MSL ( he is to old. Good leadership but to old) thats not gonaa happen. You gonna move Zucc (maybe and put Nash back on the right? ) I don't see it. If they are gonna go for a top 6 winger I go back to Ladd. Neither are gonna happen. This team will be looking at center.

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:27 pm EST

wild nice try, but veenyo doesn't seem to have that option. why would he play jt at center if they believe he's a wing, instead of calling someone up to fill in at center while stepan is out? he made the genius move last time of putting msl at center. they signed centers and sent them down instead, full knowing they were weak and injured at that spot since preseason.....is it possible they make decisions that are not infallible?......and continue to do so in the name of the cap, while points are lost?.....you can justify it, but I can disagree with it......I go by their actions.......and inactions.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:25 pm EST

Flacid, that's how the Rangers played the last two games.. ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:25 pm EST

Hayes isn't SUCKING in his rookie season. I don't think we were scouting Richards, don't know how we would fit that cap hit. I think we were scouting Toronto.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:14 pm EST

youre getting Staal, MF. Or Mike Richards (we were scouting LA-TOR). Let's accept it and move on.....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:07 pm EST

Hey Glennie, come on here Boy have a cigar you're gonna go far, & don't forget the Ol' 3 team trade play, to get what we need.....

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:04 pm EST

Was looking at WAYNE SIMMONDS #'s yesterday (Bob), and this guy scores a lot of his points on the PP..... Signed for this year & 4 more after @ $3,975,000 & IMO if we were going to bring in 2 forwards Simmonds' would be perfect to balance out the wings.. RHS - RW, 26.5 y/o...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6472

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:01 pm EST

Stevie: IMHO in a cap world and with no more re-entry waivers filling a final roster spot is silly. They can recall a pack player to anyplace in the country withing 12 hours....there is no need to have another guy sit.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:53 pm EST

stevie: I will be very (pleasantly) surprised if the wimpiness of the Rangers is addressed. That would be contrary to how AV likes to put together a team from what I can see and understand.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:30 pm EST

I would hope sather and veenyo see what they need and can afford to get.....but most times they just stick to the cards in their roster deck...unless something falls into their lap...way too many green kids for a playoff run.....and not used to the grind of a 82 game season, and the post season endurance run.......they have no blacknblue aces except for glass, and hunwick/j moore.....they refuse to fill that 23rd roster spot......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:21 pm EST

No RF, I was just sticking my nose in as Hospo & Vic are debating Hayes. The notion Vermette wouldnt be an improvement is a boggler. But whatever. He's basically a 7-time 20-goal man if you cant two 19-goal efforts and a strike-shortened year; he's been a 65 pt player. He's what Hayes aspires to be statistically. I have empathy for a kid like Hayes. he's trying to do the right things, he just needs to shoot, more, lose faceoffs less, and get himself some edge, all do-able. Let him get knocked around in the league a few years, you find out what the young man has inside. I wouldnt trade him lightly, but Id deal him as I would almost anyone else. I only have 3-4 untouchables. But he cant be one. Not when we have needs in a Cup year.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:16 pm EST

HOPSO: I really looks to me like he has hit that wall. its normal fore most players so its no shock. And with the speed the Rangers try to play with it is probably worse.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:14 pm EST

RR: Was that Hayes post of yours meant for me? If so, I'm confused. For the record, I get the concern about him and at the same time understand and agree that he shouldn't be traded. There's a fine set of skills there but he needs time to mature and that's not on a team with cup aspirations IMO.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:09 pm EST

WILD - Good to know that he once played more physical in collefe..He also played a bit more physical ealrier in the year..he has totally stopped..and i think it hurts his game..

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:07 pm EST

VIC - OK, time to end here...that " fantasy" line is like when somebody uses the "pass the Bong" quote ..pet peeves of mine.....Let's see what happens the next few weeks...Like I said before, love to see the Rangers regroup tonight

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:05 pm EST

Hospo: I mentioned it before with Hayes, if you watch his NCAA games he finishes more checks and is more physical. I think (its just MHO of course) that he is focusing on not going for a hit and being out of position. He seems to be really focused on being ins proper position and not making mistakes. Not a bad idea for a rookie, and when he seemingly had more energy early on it worked out for him because he was able to out work everyone else. Now he is hitting that rookie wall (worse with NCAA players due to a short season) and he can't overcome is lack of experience with energy. SO send him to Hartford let him work on things at a slower pace.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:03 pm EST

VIC - We lost the past two nights becasue the top players sucked and the bottom players weren't good enough to bail them out........As for the POs, deep teams win..If you don't think a 3rd line with Vermette at C compared to Hayes gives AV much more ammunition or significantly change how AV will coach and use his lines then you are living in your own "fantasay" (why would you say a sophmoric thing like that just becasue we disagree?).But like you said, it's not up to us

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:03 pm EST

Just to weigh in where I was neither asked nor particularly wanted lol... As long as we're sending Hayes to boot camp maybe we can send Evengy Grachev wifh him, do a two-fer and have two big players in about 3 years. I call him Shaggy, and I like Hayes. Hes gonna be a good player someday. But his timeline & the NYRs arent a fit right now RF, and thats all I ever said. I was roundly abused for it.You cut his goal totals in half hes a 50pt player nowadays. Irs what he does in POs. Just gotta live with it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:03 pm EST

HOSPO: I understand and don't disagree that in a perfect world the Rangers could find someone better suited to help their Cup chances in that spot this year. That has never been the issue. The issues for me have always been can the Rangers afford it with respect to the Cap this year and down the road and what would they have to give up to get it? I also objected to HAYES being labeled a liability because he does do so many good things on the ice that don't seem to be appreciated here. But yes, he is a goofy looking bastard and has a lot of ELI MANNING's "Dumb Face" look to him. ;-)

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:57 am EST

VIC - But, plain and simple, i think the play we are getting from his spot is hurting the team and will continue to hurt the team..Call it a witch hunt if you want, I( couldn't care less, but it's all about making the team better....and to do that I think the Rangers have to move HAYES out of center this year--to the bench or the wing...JMWO...

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:54 am EST

And yeah, I know I go a little overboard on Hayes but I need a target to unleash my frustrations now and then..Plus, he's a goofy looking bastard..:)...All that being said, if someoone can work with him and instil a little jam as well as teach him how to take FOs, the Ranger will have a good player for quite a few years...Just not this year..!

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:54 am EST

HOSPO: You are free to do and say whatever you want, of course. I don't come on here every day and talk about how wonderful HAYES is. I only posted in response to what I see as an obsession that some folks seem to have with him, you included. It is growing to witch-hunt proportions. I get you don't like him. He isn't a physical player, sucks on draws and he isn't silky smooth to watch at this stage of his career. However, he has been far from a liability and to suggest that he is a liability is inconsistent with reality IMHO. If he was so much of a liability last night why was he on the ice every other shift in the second half of the 3rd period? If you want to convince yourself of the fantasy that replacing HAYES with VERMETTE somehow changes this team from what it is to something significantly more so be it. I'm having none of it. I don't care if the Rangers send HAYES down to Hartford. Whatever is best for his career. The reason why this team has had its ups and downs has nothing to do with HAYES. The reason is that of its top 6 forwards only 1 has been consistently showing up every game. One has been hurt (STEPAN) for much of the season and the other 4 have been inconsistent at best. They have each had their streaks of good play from time to time but have been invisible no-shows on too many nights. Defensively, McDONAGH has been sub par on most nights. If the Rangers are going to win a Cup the onus is on those 5 players to bring their A game every night. If they do that, and if STEPAN can stay healthy, and if NASH continues to play well, and if they get excellent goaltending they can win a Cup. I'm not even going to mention the rest of the forwards and D because it really goes without saying that they are going to need all of them to step up. But, it really comes down to the 5 guys that I pointed out that are hurting this team's chances. VERMETTE doesn't even come close to helping that in any way, shape or form. But whatever.....it isn't up to us.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:53 am EST

RR: LOL...nah, I like the guy and have zero against him - it's not his fault Sather overpaid to get him (hell, Sather had no competition but himself when negotiating that deal). Given what he cost, I want more from him but at his advancing years (not to mention diminutive stature) suspect that's a pipe (bong) dream!

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:49 am EST

RF youre continued bashing of MSL has I believe grown personal ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:41 am EST

KIS - I love the PO Richards.....but not having a very good year in LA and in Sutter's dog house...ALso has a horrendous contract....something lik 5 MIll over the next 5 years for a 3rd -4th liner..tough to do..............................We all have our favorite targets, but I think we all know we need a guy down the middle that can play with some grit and some FO ability....It shall be interesting to see what Sather does

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:41 am EST

I wonder if there are stats on missed goal scoring opportunities because if there is, I'll bet MSL is way up there. 3 more last night. I wonder if he missed this frequently 10 years ago. Or even 5 years ago.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:36 am EST

RABID - Hey, to each their own double standards and who we want to blast to make ourselves happy :)..! I too think MSL has been particularly awful the past two game and in Anaheim, but i had no problem with him other then even if the PP was a big part of his contribution.., .....One guy that has been much worse is .MZA, who has also been pretty much a zero the past 10 games....Yet with this criticism of various players the team was winning until the past two games! However, I think the last two games show the Rangers the need to bring their A game and where they have weaknesses if they want to win the CUp...Be nice to rebound in CBJ land

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:32 am EST

rangerfan2000 -- no one here is "panicking" because we lost 2 straight. These things have been talked about consistently throughout the recent 12-out-of-13 streak....not sure how you could have missed it. Folks on here are pretty saavy about the Rangers' shortcomings and passionate about how they should be addressed....and the opinions of the shortcomings have simply been reenforced in the past 2 games while the opinions on how they should be addressed have remained.

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:28 am EST

Looking for a player that can help make a cup run, Why not look at Mike Richards? I watched that guy play forever with the flyers and many times with LA. He is very good on the FO. has cup experience. Heard LA might be looking to move him. I don't think the Salary is crazy and he is only 29. He can slide in to the 3rd spot and if step or somebody goes down he would be a great fit for a minimal time on the 1st or 2nd line. Helluva competitor. I could see moving a J Moore and a JT miller for him. I would also kick the tires with SJ. They are starting to get older but have many good centers. I don't neccessarily want JT but Coulture or Pavelski would be great additions. We can't have both age and experience. We are gonna have to give to get. Thankfully there are plenty young players with the Rangers right now.

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:27 am EST

You hear that MFie? We'rw getting Eric Staal. It is so decided. Everyone wilk bitch & moan, bloated vet, Kenny Hodge. But hed probably play very well with some adrenaline and he does fit the bill for what we need. Id prefer MH but it is so decreed.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:18 am EST

More I think about it, especially with Marc reupping today, I can see the big move Sather makes being for Eric. One thing Sather likes to go for is sure things, or as sure as he can get. He did it with MSL.you know you're getting a certain quality of play, a certain level. A few warts but a very professional player,whether he's hot or not. I also don't know if Sather is aware who Hanzel is lol. I can see Eric coming now, idk for what. McIlrath plus maybe.theyve got to eat some money. Classic small market dump scenario. They just put out how theyre not moving him.So,many day now lol. I think by Feb we'll have a different team anyway.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:09 am EST

Hospo, you want to talk about AVs double standards, what about St Louis? The guy sucks for weeks at a time and never misses a shift, never misses a first unit PP assignment. I suspect its some kind of French connection....;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:07 am EST

As far as effective toughnes coming this way, I won't hold my breath...I think the best that can be hoped for is somebody along the lines of Vermette who can play the game with a little grit...We desperately need help up the middle...But, we shall see..

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 11:04 am EST

VIC - I'll blast HAYES and not feel an iota of regret..I think the kid has SUCKED for the last 10-15 games or so...SUCKED....ANd both last nigh and after the Isle game, I opened my criticsim of the team BOTH nights in saying that it all started with the crappy play of the vets and stars (Brass, Nash, MSL, ZUCC, Girardi, McD,Staaal, etcc) and that the kids and role players just followed suit mostly...But you conveniently skip over tha to hone in on protecting a kid.....Now, My criricism of HAYES is not just a one game thing but a collection of the crap he has shown recenty (outside of a few good offensive zone plays each night), the liability he is otherwse and the soft pansy way he plays the game....And JT MILLER makes a mistake here or there, and he will, and gets benched or even called out by AV when Hayes does nothing and gets nothing,...

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:48 am EST

Vic I'll take stempi over dorsett, and agree carcillo over glass.....except glass will go with heavyweights, and get his ass kicked.....but carcillo helped them win, glass is mostly no help......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:47 am EST

KIS, you're mostly right.it scares me we agree so much. By idk what centers you think theyre getting. There just arent many out there. You want Erik Staal? The Marc to Carolina rumors can officially cease todaymwith the news of his deal & nmc. Maybe that's the way they go. Friends in NC say Staal's game has slipped dramatically. But even so, he could still help as a 3C. Guy was a terrific player,ma Cup winner. But Ive never really liked him Haha...depends on the price.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:43 am EST

Those saying don't panic, it isn't panicking, its preparation. If this team is truely going for the cup, it needs to reconfigure. It is not made properly to win a cup. You may need to give a few pieces to get the right player but the organization has many multiple players that have talent but are not ready to be on a team trying to win a cup. PLain and simple. The Rangers can afford to make a package of player, still have depth and get a very good player to help for a run. This team can be built to win now and alter. There is enough in the organization.. Earn your money Slats.

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:42 am EST

Lindberg should've been here from the beginning! The only reason Hayes got the nod is his size, which he does not use. Front office intent on shoehorning him into am center. Makes me sick. Lindberg is better than Hayes and might be better than Miller. So it's not all about the 'big names' for me. But AV I think has a bug up his ass about Lindberg, hardly gave him any reps in camp. So I haven't been hopeful he'll get a chance. Im afraid he might go back to Europe if he doesn't. And I'll add Moore to that group.never been a big fan of his. theres a reason that guy's been on 7 teams. That's right. Lindberg is better than half our centers lol.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:38 am EST

couldn't agree more Wild but I think there are a number of redundant type players. After Stepan going down twice this season and seeing the effect it has on the team, this team needs another GOOD center. With step out it effects the whole line-up. The Rangers have a tough tinme scoring when he is not in the lin-up. Look at the stats. I believe the team is 500 with him out of the line-up. A third center would or should help the faceoff problem as well. I don't think Handzel or Vermette is the answer. If they are going to trade and have to package some youth, make the trade worth it. Don't get held up for a fringe player. Look at the centers for LA. 4 very strong down the middle. This team needs a center

KIS


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:35 am EST

RF2000, you make 'monster' trades because you need to make a trade. I wouldn't characterize the deal I laid out as monster, except for the guy coming back.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:32 am EST

As for the 3rd line center position. Everyone here knows I like Hayes, but he is hitting the rookie wall hard right now. He is getting to that point of game numbers that young NCAA players seems to have to break through and rarely do their first full season in the NHL. So with that, I say send hayes to Hartford. The pace is lower and it doesn't hurt the Rangers if he makes mistakes as he fatigues. I would give Lindberg a shot at center until/unless there is a trade (and there should be). I am not one that is calling for one of the bigger names to be brought in at center. There are a ton of good face-off guys who are good 3rd line centers who will come much much cheaper. Thats what Sather needs to do. Also, Miller needs to be back at wing ASAP. Yeah he hasn't don't bad, but he looks SO much more impactful from the wing, and brings so much more to the team. Hopefully Stepan is OK to go next game, and like I said, I would send Hayes down and bring Lindberg up. Not only will it bring in fresh legs, but it will give Hayes time to develop some of his game, and maybe get better, and be useful in the playoffs if they need him.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:30 am EST

We lost a game... we're what, 10-3 in the last 13? Maybe my numbers are wrong, I have no looked. Everyone can put down their crack pipes and stop panicking. No need to make monster trades over one loss. Some times this place cracks me up. Nothing changes.

rangerfan2000


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:26 am EST

Hanzal is 'aging'? Lol. He's 27. We're all aging, Wild. I'd want something back in that deal, but it couldn't happen fast enough IMO. The rest of your post was borderline hysterical (& snarky as usual). I won't be responding to it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:25 am EST

RF4L: If you are referring to McIlrath than yeah, the physicality is there...HOWEVER he is still learning postings better, and is just getting that part of his game in line with where it should be. He missed a big chunk of time with the knee injury so its expected, but still, AV was pretty clear about saying that he needed work in that area. No point in having a tougher lineup if you lose due to less D. Of course, I can't imagine he would be much worse than Moore defensively. Still though, that would also mean either he or Klein play on the other side than normal, AV doesn't like to do that, and it may lessen their effectiveness so its a bit of a risk to do. Klein has had such a good year I would be hard pressed to say move him to the other side, and you don't want a rookie learning a new side on the job.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:20 am EST

Duke AND Hayes for Hanzal? What...one of those kids would get him PLUS. Thats what you don't seem to get. Rather would be nuts to trade either of them for anything other than a top 6 player...both better be bringing a top line perennial all-star who is still in his mid 20's. BOTH those kids have the ability and potential of being all star calibre players within a season or two. Duclair has the potential for a Calder next season. You don't trade 2 top 6 type prospects for a aging 3rd line center. Don forget, handle is a half ppg player for his career...and doesn't use his size all the time. Kinda like Brian Boyle, but not as lacking in the use of size, but still, Both Hayes and Duclair in the firs NHL action are .39ppg players. Both look as if they will be closer to a 1 ppg than .5ppg. You give up a young guy for Hanzal who is 27, it will be at the best Hags, and more like Lindberg or maybe one of the young D who was signed as a UFA along with another mid level prospect or two. Rather has done a good job getting a bunch of young guys in the AHL who are good AHL players and could be good on the 3rd or 4th line someday, there are kids in the system that may turn out really good but not top line material. IMHO of the kids, (while no one is "untouchable") there are a handful that Sather should not touch in trade talks. Both net minders who played in the WJC, can't risk that position. Declare, Buchnevich, Skjei and slightly lesser are Tambellini. On the list of "think really really hard" are McIlrath, Nieves, and Lindberg. There are other kids who have done well, or are doing well and have good value. Oh wait...forgot Allen, he is a think really hard about it guy as well. Not that you can't move these guys, but the teams that win now and "from now on" don't trade their top prospects. Ask the Caps how badly they want Forsberg back instead of a chance at a playoff run that didn't work out....the Rangers could be looking at the same thing if they trade away these young guys.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:02 am EST

No no now Vic. Dont make it like im going all .. idk, rabid on the kid. That was a DUMBBELL play, period. Seen it a million times from a million less-than dumbells. Hayes has BEEN on the bubble for me at least as soon as I saw his full game. Good player but no one we cant live without if right deal comes along. If that deal if Duke & Hayes for Hanzel Hayes is a Yote imo. Sorry I know you like the kid. Just my 0.02.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 10:01 am EST

Staal resigning confirmed - 6 year deal in the neighbourhood of $35,000,000 in total. Good to get that concern out of the way. Now to address 1) the 3rd line center spot and 2) the pure wimpiness of the lineup overall. Will Sather do anything about either? The answer to the 2nd issue is within the system - someone needs to convince AV of that, however.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:57 am EST

The Stepford Wives, hmm hmm, Rangers have been woosified for far too long..Enough already..

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:53 am EST

RR: Yep, he did. I saw that pass as well. There were a few others that he tried to force in the offensive zone as well. That is an experience and maturity issue. Maybe he gets away with those in College. Not in the NHL. Still, think about what you are saying. You are jumping on a rookie for an offensive zone turnover. That puts him on the bubble for you. Yet, you ignore the fact that he is one of the few true playmakers on this roster who handles and moves the puck as well or better the just about anyone on the roster. Put that in context with how poorly the rest of the team handled and managed the puck last night not only in the offensive zone but in the defensive zone. Notice HAYES doesn't try to make the risky pass in the defensive zone. Are all of the veterans who were aimlessly throwing the puck to middle of the ice in the defensive zone last night on the bubble with you as well? Be consistent.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:50 am EST

Didn't predict the scores, but I knew coming into these past 2 games the Rangers were going to absorb a whole bunch of punishment with little or no pushback. And that's exactly what's happened. Worse, they haven't scored a single goal and gave up 2 points each to teams they are battling for PO positioning. I am hoping tonight they come out of their scoring doldrums but expect them to be physically punished from the moment the puck is dropped right thru to the game's end. Stepan is out due to slash in the Islander game and the Rangers are lucky Brassard isn't gone for 6 months after last night's game. Who gets hurt tonight I wonder? This edition of the Rangers is butter soft and it's sickening to watch. I don't understand how AV can stand back there and let it happen. Mind you, he did so with the Canucks, so I guess he's blind to it.

RF4L


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:42 am EST

Vic, Hayes also made one of those horrible passes into the middle of the ice, when everyone knew what he was trying, which became a direct turnover and started the Bs up the other way. Ive always hated those forced passes and believe it tells you something about a player. The real real good distributors never make those amatuerish plays. Just sayin. Hayes is very much on the bubble for me & prime bait.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:42 am EST

JFC: I totally agree with that and will double down on that sentiment. The Rangers really couldn't afford to resign BRIAN BOYLE, POULIOT or STRALMAN. Those contracts would have killed them. However, DORSETT and CARCILLO were important players who would have commanded less money then GLASS. Further, both of them were better players. CARCILLO actually had skills and I loved the sandpaper element he brought. I'd rather have a 4th line of MOORE, DORSETT and CARCILLO right now. I'd take both of them over what STEMPNIAK and GLASS have brought.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:38 am EST

end of the video...guess who...pos marchand.....he has patented the move so the nhl can't call it?.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:37 am EST

RR: Just to respond to your post about defending HAYES. I'm not a stat monger. I don't measure games or players solely on stats. I don't give a crap that GLASS had 8 hits last night and HAYES had 0. If you watched the game last night and watched what each player contributed you can't honestly tell me that GLASS did a damn thing that had any kind of positive impact on anything that happened on the ice. The only positive thing I can say about GLASS from last night is that when he was on the HAYES line at the end of the first he did a good job of creating some space for his linemates. That indirectly lead to some pressure that the Rangers were able to apply. On the other hand HAYES had a solid game last night particularly with the puck. He was a playmaker last night except nobody on the ice with him converted. Is that his fault?

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:36 am EST

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=464956&catid=995

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:36 am EST

In some ways, the Rangers unlikely run to the Finals (fueled largely by a lightning-in-a-bottle cohesion and sense of purpose brought on by MSL's mom passing) has been a curse for the Rangers....a curse because it allowed the team to mask its weaknesses....it enabled AV to not face up to the weaknesses of his ideology. The Rangers were firing on every single cylinder after AV's mom passed.....offense, defense, goaltending....even the PP was greatly improved. Therefore, AV's attitude was to only ask Sather to improve the PP....thus, the signing of Boyle. There appeared to be no need to team toughness. Why can't a team be fast AND hit people on a regular basis? Where does it say that those two things are mutually exclusive? Making it to the Finals has enabled AV to say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Problem is, it has ALWAYS been broke....it's just that playing fantastic hockey from Game 5 vs. Pitt through the Finals allowed the team to cover up what was broken. If AV thinks that the same situation can repeat itself 2 years in a row, he is delusional...he needs to recognize that we got 'lucky" last year and THIS YEAR we need to actually address our weaknesses and not depend on kismet.

JFC31


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:31 am EST

gross..."The NHL will surely review Marchand’s actions just as they’ll take a look at Kreider’s play. Kreider, after dumping Soderberg, fought Chris Kelly. Kreider received two for boarding and five for fighting and Kelly got two for instigating, five for fighting and a 10-minute misconduct. “Spur of the moment,” Kreider said. “Obviously pretty bang bang play. It wasn’t something I was trying to do. I’m just trying to press him off the puck. I understand why they’re upset. It happened earlier to me when I was at the boards. Physical game. They way they play, too, there’s going to be confrontations all over the ice, they’re trying to limit your time and space, if you’re going to make plays, if you’re going to take zones, you’re going to bump into people. Probably something we didn’t do tonight enough in general.”

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:30 am EST

RR and STEVIE: MILLER got rocked on the one hit where he was checked into STAAL in the first period. You could see he came down hard on his back and banged his head on the ice. He got up real slow and didn't play well the rest of the game. He may not be "injured" but he took a hard shot that hurt him and pretty much rendered him useless for the rest of the night. HAYES went in for MILLER on that line starting in the 2nd IIRC. He made a number of great passes and if MSL's head was in the building last night he could have had a hat-trick. HAYES had several of his passes knocked down by a skate or stick in the offensive zone. He needs to either move the puck a tick sooner or change the angle of the pass just prior to release to cut down on that. They could have had more scoring chances if he could have gotten those passes through.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:29 am EST

Katie Strang &#10004; @KatieStrangESPN Contract details for Staal still being finalized but deal will have full no-move clause 29m Elliotte Friedman &#10004; @FriedgeHNIC On Staal -- agreement in principle is in-place. Now the lawyers get paid.

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:27 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/16/rangers-bruins-in-review-7/#sthash.3ref998G.dpbs

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:25 am EST

"J.T. Miller, who opened in Stepan’s spot between Chris Kreider and Marty St. Louis, was benched for a spell before switching places with Kevin Hayes, who opened on the fourth unit. Coach Alain Vigneault made a point of saying Miller, who absorbed a couple of heavy blows in the match, was not injured."....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:23 am EST

The Rangers lost last night because they got outskated and outworked again. They are playing in slow motion right now and that really has been the case since the beginning of the San Jose game. They are off their game right now and it is the VETERANS that are the primary problem right now. MSL, MZA and BRASSARD in particular are playing like shit. HAGS has had about a dozen prime scoring chances the last few weeks and can't hit the broadside of a barn right now. D. MOORE hasn't been great and doesn't handle the increased ice time that AV is giving him well. STEMPNIAK is playing like a 4th liner but at least he gives an effort. MILLER has made some boneheaded passes and has gotten away from playing the PF game he needs to. KREDIER has played decently and somewhat more physical but hasn't been cashing in on the scoring chances he has gotten. NASH is trying but his linemates are hurting him right now. FAST has been consistent. He plays good defense and he finishes his checks. I don't expect much more out of him right now and he isn't responsible for the team's issues either. McDONAGH has been putrid the last few games. GIRARDI, STAAL and KLEIN haven't been bad but they have been under a lot of pressure with the way the first two lines have been playing. HANK and TALBOT were both very sharp in the last two games. They simply couldn't hold back the onslaught forever.

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:20 am EST

Vic your analysis & defenses if Hayes are admirable. Ill say that much. Dont know if anyone noticed but its Miller who's coming back down to earth. That he was in middle last night probably not coincidence. MSL played last night? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 9:13 am EST

Sweet Jesus you guys are too much. Anyone who comes on and wants to blast HAYES after last night's game simply has an axe to grind. If I had to pick one forward who had the best game last night it would be HAYES. Outside of the high-sticking penalty he had a solid game. He setup MSL at least 3 times with beautiful passes that should have been high quality scoring chances. You would think that after the first two MSL would have been ready for the next one........but you would be wrong. He also started the Rangers push back in the second half of the first period with a great shift that kept the Bruins in their zone. HAYES wasn't on for a goal against. He wasn't responsible for any of the 2 dozen or so givaways. He did a great job of getting the puck out of the Rangers end when he got it. He wasn't on for even 1 second of the any of the 3 failed PP chances. He was bad on draws as usual but so was every other Center except BRASSARD. However, BRASSARD seemed to lose every important faceoff that he was on for either in the defensive end or on the PP and then stood there and watched BERGERON get the rebound and score the first goal instead of picking him up after he lost that faceoff. BUT, HAYES was the problem last night, right? And the 8 hits from GLASS and the staged and useless fight were meaningful, right?

Vic


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:54 am EST

A well-placed source said there had been “a productive meeting” here on Wednesday between assistant general manager Jeff Gorton and Staal’s representative, Paul Krepelka. It is believed the sides are discussing a six-year deal between $5.6 and $5.9 million per season ....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:53 am EST

if they are going to turn the other cheek, they have to score, not get shutout for 8 periods....or they'll run out of cheeks.....face and ass...they have no balls.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:52 am EST

Maloney (Don) btw said Yotes not waiting to deadline to deal. Sounds anxious actually. And didnt even bother to deny full rebuild was ordered. Im ready too ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:45 am EST

Anyway, that theyre ready to move on Staal tells me theyre ready to do their 2nd half housekeeping, leading up to the deadline March 2nd. Last year there was a long period of front office silence and then they started the signings(I forget who beyond Girardi: maybe Zuc?plus thry tried to get Cally done). Columbys fave up 3 third period goals last game. They are beatable & I expect the NYR to be much better tonight after the ultimate nightmare of back to back shutouts to NYI & BOS shitbags.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:44 am EST

Anyway, that theyre ready to move on Staal tells me theyre ready to do their 2nd half housekeeping, leading up to the deadline March 2nd. Last year there was a long period of front office silence and then they started the signings(I forget who beyond Girardi: maybe Zuc?plus thry tried to get Cally done). Columbys fave up 3 third period goals last game. They are beatable & I expect the NYR to be much better tonight after the ultimate nightmare of back to back shutouts to NYI & BOS shirbags.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:40 am EST

just call up big mac and put him on the 4th line......otherwise trade him.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:31 am EST

I havent given up all hope theyll address the toughness issue. Last year when it became (incredibly) obvious they brought in Carcillo. Maybe tjis year Sather finally pries Neil out of Ottawa (who seems farther out if ut than years past). Hes been after him forever. Get rid of the Stemp/Fast redundancy and its a start. Get me my monster in the middle and things start looking up. It can be rectified. But we said these games would expose weaknesses, and - yo the surprise of no one - its been on full display

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 8:05 am EST

Lack of team toughness was one of the items I was left with last eve after the loss. Lucic, Campbell and Slewfoot running around all eve without a thought to it. Kudos for Glass for trying to make an impact but he ain't enough. Where's the clarion call for Kassian and a Big Mac call up? Can't wait to see Dylan Prout and company running out boys all night tonight

PatrickDiv


Fri Jan 16 2015 6:20 am EST

Rangers, Marc Staal closing in on six-year deal as per NYP

kitchen1


Fri Jan 16 2015 3:54 am EST

I don't waste breath on urging the Rangers to get some big tough players becasue it won't happen, they want to do everything with discipline and quickness...If you're doing that, how can you keep Kevin Hayes (1 goal in 15 games along with horrendous defense and FOs)) in the lineup without giving him a well earned breather.....Ditto with Fast (1 G in 15 games) but at least he plays physical ..Hell even Hags has been reduced to an offensive afterthought.........Maybe DUCLAIR shouldn't have been sent to JUniors? Plain and simple, they need another forward for many reasons..Sorry, can't sleep.

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 2:33 am EST

And while I know keeping one's composure is a good trait, do any Ranger palyers ever ge tmad? Are they allowed to? The pointed out example of the wicked Marchant slew foot is a perfect example (which asshole Edwards and his partner had the audacity to call LEGAL)...Nobody went after him, clean or dirty, at any point of the game...Not Brassardrd..Not his teamates..so many teams and players would see red and do SOMETHING..Not the Rangers, to a man...Not even Glass..Not even Klein..Not even an inexpereinced youngster..A team state of mind fostered by AV...Has to be, right? has it's good points and bad points.

Hospo


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:27 am EST

Chime in more Ref. Any friend of Tarnasky is a friend o mine! Serious, theres a psycho we signed, not a shift. Not much a player supposedly but never even got sniff. Read Brassard (who was atracked in the POs) on Marchant post game. Thought his season was over. But I know, you cant do anything about it ( per some) . I reiterate my position. Fuck that. You fight back anyway you can. I dont care if its Fotiu chasing Durbano under the stands. This league is a joke. Do what you gotta do.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 1:06 am EST

I don't chime in much but, we are a soft team, we're fast, can score, good defense and great goalie. But we get pushed around, that being said, now we need toughness? Agreed. But 2 games later we'll hear how come mcilrath didn't score? Or why didn't tarnasky win that face off. Yeah I know those guys aren't on the team but you get the point.

ref24


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:26 am EST

out of a long list of suitable candidates, Marchand is still the Bruin I most want to see tarred. Plays dirty, attempts to injure but counts on getting benefit of the doubt, always the first player to whine to refs, reporters. I think I caught a few Lucic embellishments also.

Messier11


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:21 am EST

Marchand cross checks and slew foots , and nobody goes after him or anyone on the b-ruins. Kid k hits one of them and another goes after him sticking up for his teamste. Who's watching any nyr backs ? .... Nobody and the other teams know that. That's how nash got a concussion and nobody on lucic 's team came close to getting one...and none ever will....from a nyr as coached now... It rarely succeeds in the nhl....any way too many nyr have been hurt in the process....good luck mr veenyo...

stevielegs


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:14 am EST

RR: consider yourself fortunate, no need to sit through 60 minutes of this "lack of effort."

mf


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:07 am EST

Holy smokes what an abortion of a post. Sry.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Jan 16 2015 12:05 am EST

Only saw period & a half (NN wuzzup withe our magic stream crashin?) Listened to rest. But I can sum it up; when they dont finish theyre finished. At least against a tougher team. Theyre trying tobplay around them. They did it vs Isles too. If they cant score early & have teams on their heels its trouble. Didnt see Kreider 'fight' but uf its what I reading, unacceptable. Gotra dtickvyour nose in there.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:48 pm EST

I don't dislike Hunwick but saw him get pushed around in our end enough times to notice earlier in the season, he's fine for a 6/7 but I'd rather JMoore was in the line-up getting the minutes.......... Honorable mention Marc Staal -2 tonight

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:35 pm EST

an interesting six: Miller, Hayes, Glass, MSL, Kreider, Hunwick. Everyone else was on for at least one goal against.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:33 pm EST

If Hunwick was a 0, that means he wasn't on the ice for any of the three goals against. Only six of our players managed that tonight. I watched him corral larger players, and break up what would have been easy scoring chances. That, from a third-pair, says a lot to me.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:26 pm EST

Hunwick was +-/0 ...... The guy gets manhandled easily by big forwards in our defensive corners.. you'll see it for yourself in time..... Marc Staal, back to back games of weak slow passing in our defensive zone, is Rorer making Quuaaludes again? ....... Columbus plays a physical game, wonder what the Vegas odds are that we lose 3 - 0 tomorrow, VIC ? ;-)

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:05 pm EST

I thought Hunwick had a good game. Glass too, in a way. Bruins definitely managed to slow our whole game down, though

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:55 pm EST

No way I could have come on here during the game or right after...I was sick to my stomach..It wasn't what the Bruins ddi but what the Rangers didn't do..A second night with far too little passion far too little fight, and far too little hunger..And it was led by the vets and stars--- Zucc, Brass, St; Louis, McD Girardi, Nash to name a few....And the youngsters and role players followed suit....Nobody to praise everybody to criticize..Do I think, this was the real Rangers..No...But the last two games indeed confirm that this team needs some tweaking for the PO run.....A centerwith som size, a center who can win FOs, a forward that can play gritty hockey...If you're lucky and pay the piper, maybe you get that in one player not two..We'll see...And two things that made me sick to my stomach....KREIDER was an emabarassment..It's not that he can't fight (well, he can't) but he had no desire to protect himslf and looked scared shitless to fight....And I have had it with HAYES, just thesight of his goofy face makes me sick becasue I know it will be soon followed by a 35% FO percentage and some of the most pansy hocey you will ever see...The kid has like 7 hits in the last 25 games...He should do bettger than that by accident...He was much more involved earleir in the season, does he think he's too much an offensive weapon now (what, 1 goal in 15 games) to hit......Hell, one time he had like 10 feet to come out from behind the net and chalege the goalie but he just stood there looking for the perfect pass instead of Jamming..OK, I'm venting

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:51 pm EST

And veenyo stayed at a holiday inn express . He should have taken the local instead of passing the logic and deductive reasoning stops . The nyr are a 500 team without stepan this season.... Turn up the line generator to warp 9....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:27 pm EST

….I did see Hayes win a face-off though

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:24 pm EST

Hard to be a CUP contender in the long run if you're 29th in the league in face offs and do not have the grit needed. They will however start another winning streak to mask the problems......

MelvilleFred


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:21 pm EST

take Glass out and the hits are even. Like I said though, we didn't lose on hits.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:19 pm EST

Hits 33-25 US. Hayes in fact with zero hits. Glass with 8. I think that is a season high for him.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:17 pm EST

Could've used our No. 1 center, for sure

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:15 pm EST

BTW, I see one reason AV loves Hayes - he won't hit a fly!

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:12 pm EST

stevie: Gotta do something - Jitters is regressing bigtime, passing the puck to no one and getting run over by the opposition because he doesn't know what to do. Agreed AV looks totally lost sometimes.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:09 pm EST

Help me follow veenyo's logic... Jt is a 4 th line wing promoted to 2 Nd line center . That means your 3 rd and 4 th line centers can't move up and make jt your 4 th line center? ... So stepan for jt and glass... Not a good trade....call up mueller for tomorrow for 4 th line centeri if stepan is a no go... And move Moore up to 2 nd line center. ... These points count veenyo and sather wtfu...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:07 pm EST

Bob: Agreed other than the year they went to the final four under Tortorella, who inexplicably muzzled them in the POs (remember BB getting beaten up against the Sens and no Ranger responded?). I simply don't get it.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:05 pm EST

BTW, Kreider needs to take some sort of fighting/boxing lessons. He hit another guy from behind and gets challenged by Chris Kelly and loses the fight. How embarrassing is that? Chris Kelly?? More limp-wristed Ranger hockey courtesy of AV the pacifist.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:05 pm EST

RF4L--Other than the cup year and a few years around it, for our entire lives. The Gilbert/Ratelle/Giacomin rangers got pushed around. The John Ferguson Rangers were tough with no talent, and since the first lockout they have been passive as heck again. Unless they play with the lead, they are toast against teams like this.

Bob


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:56 pm EST

Bob: Yep, and frustrating to watch. How many years have we had to endure a pacifist Ranger club? I simply don't get it.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:54 pm EST

Bruins took away the long breakout pass. Made the Rangers shorten up their breakout and took it to the boards. Defense with a ton of turnovers.

stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:47 pm EST

Turrible effort. Hard to believe this style works in 4 rounds of playoffs. When they are skating, great but they get the crap kicked out of them with no response.

Bob


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:45 pm EST

Just keep hitting them and they slow down ... Veenyo with his deer in the headlights look....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:45 pm EST

Last actual goal Kreider 1st period vs. SJ. Nash ENG last goal. Nice.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:44 pm EST

Bruins now ahead of the Rangers for the 2 wildcard spots and FLA 1 point behind. Sather SUCKS!

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:43 pm EST

See, we dont need any help. Take joy tonight knowing elite Ranger prospects throughout the world will someday arrive & make everything alright. Revel in it.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:42 pm EST

mf: As he's swallowing fishsticks...

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:42 pm EST

Two shutouts in a row!!! UGH

rngrsans


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:41 pm EST

Horrible game with a ton of give-aways as result of avoiding hits. Rangers lucky there aren't down their top 2 centers - not sure how Brassard didn't sprain (at least) his knee on that slewfoot from Marchant. Gawd it's tough watching this turn the other cheek philosophy AV adores. Gonna be more of the same tomorrow night too I suspect.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:32 pm EST

Cant afford a slump

rngrsans


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:28 pm EST

Post streak slump......meant to say.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:27 pm EST

Thus is all part of the past streak slump. Expect it. Expect to see more of it over the next week or so.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:26 pm EST

2 dreadful games......back to reality

rngrsans


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:25 pm EST

night again

rngrsans


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:25 pm EST

Its absolutely disgusting listening to Rosen & Micheletti game in and game out get so excited about our opposition... Rosen should be forced to resign and Micheletti can go have Lucic baby's.....

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:24 pm EST

Not too many times can you say that you goaltender has been the best player for your team by a mile even though you are down 3 to 0.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:24 pm EST

Not even competitive.....

PJ


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:21 pm EST

over

jratelle19


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:19 pm EST

Wake the hell up!!!!!

rngrsans


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:14 pm EST

G--l need to buy 2 vowels an o and an a ....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:59 pm EST

Slew footbg is no longer a penalty in the NHL?

Bob


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:34 pm EST

That Los comes out of box and slew foots and no fin call great refs

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:33 pm EST

Slew foot and interference....no call!

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:30 pm EST

Gotta bury those chances.

jratelle19


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:27 pm EST

Should be 6 minutes for 3 cross checks

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:23 pm EST

Dickaletti knows way too much about the other teams and talks them up like he's their announcer....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:21 pm EST

Somebody tell glass that's old school not the new nhl... When was the last time a nyr dropped their gloves?.... Good for glass maybe they'll wake up and battle...for 2 points....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:15 pm EST

Should have stayed on the left coast

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:09 pm EST

Stemp & Boyle chase same guy, leaving Krejic wide open. Flat, flat, flat....

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 7:46 pm EST

Not their usual flow but 2-3-4 real good chances. A real goalie in there, theyll have to find a way.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 7:40 pm EST

Rangers have no flow at all....flat. They better wake up

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 7:16 pm EST

lose fin face-offs and let them shoot...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 7:05 pm EST

Thought they were home. Good. When's last time they lost on road, November?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 6:44 pm EST

HUNWICK played for Boston....That is why he is in.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 6:38 pm EST

If he cripples any of Chara Marchant Lucic, I wouldnt care if Moore got suspended for life.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 6:31 pm EST

don't feel great about Talbot in net tonight. Then again, Hank played the Coliseum...

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 6:24 pm EST

despite difference in size (4" and 12 lbs) physical disparity between Moore and Hunwick is marginal at best. Hunwick has 30 hits, 10PIM in 29 games. Moore has 36 hits, 12 PIM in 27 games. Moore has been suspended more, however. Thats not exactly something we're shooting for right now. Hunwick has played strong and Moore has failed to distinguish himself meaningfully. Having Hunwick play games may be all that is keeping Moore honest. AV seems ready to move on, perhaps. There is also a contract decision looming for each.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 5:55 pm EST

Hunwick in for Moore. Don't get that one either. Moore is the bigger & the more physical of the two. Thought he was okay the other night too. AV is a puzzle sometimes.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 5:41 pm EST

That's fine JFC. I think guys like him come along every draft. High skill guys who could or could not bust out. The true test for them will be can they make the jump & keep improving? I wasn't too encouraged from some of what I saw from Duke in that regard, but leave that for another day.. you're still judging it TOTALLY the wrong way, imwo. The Rangers, if they make such a move, will be making a deal for the here & now. And that's all that matters from their perspective, do they get what they need here & now? You can't worry about who 'wins' the trade in the long run, its almost always going to be a loser if you trade away even a serviceable NHL who plays 15 years. Meanwhile the 30-yr old you dealt for is retired. I didn't say that cause I figure a 4-yr old understands that going in. And I'm not trying to insult, its just beyond obvious. For the record, I wouldn't feel nearly as comfortable dealing Duclair for Vermette as I would Handzel. We'd have to get something else back with Vermette. But I see people stating with out a doubt Duke is going o be better than Hanzel, and my question is, better at what exactly? Let Duclair make the frickin league first.cause I'll tell you this about Hanzel, and its one of the reasons I want him here so bad ; absolutely nobody wants to play against this guy.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 5:35 pm EST

VIC - Where we disagree is I firmly believe we need to make a trade and I don't think the trade we make has to make us better next year or the year after..Just this year..That's what the Rangers can control most now.....OTOH, I'm not campaigning for the the future to be ripped apart...For what I want, the team will be in fine shape for years to come and BETTER SHAPE THIS YEAR,,,And that's what matters most when you have the chance to win a cup..

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 5:26 pm EST

HOSPO: The Rangers are already a contender this year. They are already in the conversation. They already have as good a shot as just about anyone. And, like everyone else they could lose in the first round with or without VERMETTE. They nearly lost to the Flyers last year. THE FLYERS! Again, I get where you are coming from. And, I am willing to make trades that make sense. To me those trades have to not only make this team better now, but for at least a few years to come. A UFA rental in VERMETTE doesn't meet that requirement. HANZAL is still young and is under contract. I'd be fine with trading for him depending on what went the other way. I'd love to see McILRATH play for the Rangers but this coach doesn't see the benefit or value. If that is the case then he should be moved and I could live with a McILRATH for HANZAL deal. DUCLAIR for HANZAL? No way. DUCLAIR will be a much better player they HANZAL ever was, is or ever will be.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 5:26 pm EST

RR -- one of the top 3 forwards on the Jr. team that is the best in the world, made the NHL at 19 and played very well with top 6 talent, has speed to burn, a great shot and great moves. But those are just words....it's what I saw that shapes my opinion. Seriously, he showed flashes of elite talent that were undeniable. Does that mean he's a sure thing? No....but that's why they call them "prospects". He absolutely has elite talent...absolutely. And that makes him an elite prospect in my book

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 4:40 pm EST

VIC - The only way you can contend every year is if you start contending this yea..And the BEST way to do that this year and MEAN IT is to fix the hole we have and present the best team possible..Or you can be part of the wait till next year club where every year you are more worried about the next year and the potential of the next year..and you never win.....screw that ...IMO!

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 4:40 pm EST

Where does it say if you trade Anthony Duclair you have no future? Goodness. Only at RFC. Mention something like that, all of a sudden like clockwork you'll see all the names, Kenny Hodge and Mike Ridley, gimme a break. Really. SO tired. And stop calling Duke an elite prospect. If he was, he'd have played like one. You make a trade, it's a gamble for both teams. That's life.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 4:32 pm EST

JNYR: Yep, I agree. And look, I get that some people just care about winning a Cup this year. I understand that, I really do. For me, what has happened with this franchise since 94' is 10 times worse then the joy I felt after they won it. The anger and frustration far outweigh the joy. Maybe I just consume sports differently then others. For me it is HOCKEY, FOOTBALL, BASEBALL/SOCCER in that order with 3 and 4 being a tie. But, I'm pretty much only interested in watching the team that I root for. If my soccer team (ARSENAL) is playing and none of my other favorites are playing I would watch that over any hockey game. When the Rangers are eliminated from the playoffs Hockey season is over for me. The same goes in the other sports. I stopped watching football the week after Thanksgiving when the Giants were done. I stopped watching baseball in late July when the Rangers were done. I stop watching because I can't stand the frustration of watching a shitty team with no hope and nothing to play for. I have no interest in watching other teams play. It bores me and frustrates me even more because my team sucks. I'd rather watch a movie or read a book or do something more productive with my spare time.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 3:40 pm EST

Thank You Vic...couldn't agree more.......if we make all these proposed trades.......we have no guarantee of going all the way......but in essence there is a good chance we may suck for a long time ....harken back to 94.....I never knew what my reaction would be if I ever saw a Cup.....would i jump for joy.......shotgun a beer....sit stunned or a combination of all 3. What I did was lean back on the couch...smile and say to myself....."now we can just play hockey"......no more chasing it.....no more Middleton for Hodge.......No more Ridley and Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter for Marcel Dione......we dont have to chase it....we can just play hockey......not onlydid we win but we had a young lineup......Richter, Leetch, Zubov, Beukaboom, Kovalov, Graves.......plus we were bringing in 38 goal scorer Nedved cause Keenan left........three years later we were the oldest team in the league.......Zubov gone.......bad trade after bad trade...plus poor drafting brought the darkest time in ranger history......so bad we were gut wrenching ...then irrelevant...I have season tickets...couldnt make a game and could not give the tickets away......YES the cup was great but watching Almonte, Weight, Marchant, Kim Jonsson, Mattias Norstrom, Ian Lapierre etc, play for other teams while we sucked was unbearable.....the low point for me was when we had a young tough d-man in Thomas Kloucek who hit everything in sight, he gets into a scrum with the Islanders, one Islander (dont know who he was) holds his hands while Yashin punches him in the face....and no one came to his aid...makes me sick thinking of it......if you make these trades you better be right...cause 20 years of shit hockey is so f&*^%$king bad I dont want to imagine it......and once the bad trades start it seems all management tries to do is chase it...so it becomes bad trade after bad trade......look who we acquires...Bure on his last leg....Lindros with concussion after concussion,Kamenski, Karpa, Ulinov, Bill Berg, Pat Flatley, Stephan Quintal....does anybody really want to go thru that again...does anybody really trust Sather .......

jnyr


Thu Jan 15 2015 3:00 pm EST

To close the door on the probabilities discussion the Rangers are exactly where they need to be IMHO. They are at about the 10% mark in terms of chances of winning a Cup this year. That means they are one of the favorites....one of the contenders. If they can ice a team like this for 5 year to 10 years they should win at least 1 Cup. Even if they were to trade away MILLER, DUCLAIR, HAYES, BUCH, McI, and any other prospect you can think of for a run this year they statistically wouldn't have more then a 15% to %17 chance to win this year. Call me greedy but I want this team competing for a Cup every year. Winning 1 and then being a joke of a franchise for 20 years doesn't work for me.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:48 pm EST

Hospo -- yep, that's the point I'm trying to make...get guys who are proven PO performers and/or experienced and proven at the skill set you need to get you over the top. Young guys are always a crap shoot IMO...never know how they are gonna react to PO intensity. That's the only way I'd feel comfortable trading high end prospects....wow me.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:41 pm EST

SCREW the KIDS..You wanna win the Cup, bring in the right Vet!

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:26 pm EST

Taylor Hall for Duclair, McI, Miller and a pick? I drive those guys to the airport. But unless you mean McD and not McI, this is a pipedream. Even MacT isn't that out of it.

Nick


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:12 pm EST

JFC: IMO, Hall is the real deal. This kid finished in the top 10 in scoring last year, playing on a crappy club. He's as good as Tyler Seguin I think - he needs to get away from that organization. My biggest fear of getting him is his injury record. He plays at breakneck speed and has no fear of the danger zones in the opposition's end - it's the primary reason why he keeps getting hurt. Other than that, he'd quickly become one of the more lethal players on the team, up there with Nash, if he was acquired.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:09 pm EST

From an Oiler perspective, imagine if McI does prove NHL worthy and they make that deal. With Darnell Nurse right around the corner, they'd have 2 of the more physical, abusive d-men in the league on their backline. Yikes. Tempting, if you feel McI is a legitimate NHL prospect.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:06 pm EST

Pat: I highly doubt it. You really only giving them one valid asset (the Duke, who's still not proven). The other 3 are bottom half players, at best (assuming McI can even play at the NHL level away from AV's discriminating eyes). I think you'd have to amp that up to be Duke, McI, Miller and a draft pick to get their attention. Look at what Nash cost. Hall hasn't done in his career what Nash had accomplished for the BJs but Hall is in his stratosphere in terms of talent. Nash costs 2 established young NHLers, a prized (at the time) prospect and a first. The haul I'm citing doesn't have a single established young player. Miller is the closest but is still a big time work in progress.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 2:02 pm EST

PatrickDiv -- love the talent of Hall, but as opposed to the type of guys that helped get us a Cup in '94, Hall is pure speculation....a kid with alot of talent who hasn't won didly and in fact, is immersed in a losing culture. I don't know if trading for talent for the sake of talent is how you go when seeking to get over the top for a Cup. I'm not saying it wouldn't work out great, but I'd be really nervous with a trade like that. On the other hand, maybe it would put us in better Cup position for more years down the road. Jeez, I think my head is gonna explode!

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:55 pm EST

Reported by McKenzie that the oil not shopping Hall but not shooting down callers either. He also states that while a move (if it were to happen) likely to be after the season. I wonder if McIlrath (I love the guy but he seems to be out of favor with veenyo) duclair, Moore and glass might pry him and Matt Hendricks loose?

PatrickDiv


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:54 pm EST

RF4L -- " While I think he'll help, I don't know that Vermette is a difference maker for this club." That's exactly what I think and why I want to be more comfortable with any trade of an elite prospect. I want to be able to see very clearly how the player is not just a band-aid for a problem, but a difference-maker....like Tikkanen was, like Larmer was, etc. Those seemed much more justifiable when they were done, even though I really liked Weight & Turcotte (and James Patrick)

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:36 pm EST

FWIW, I wouldn't be opposed to giving up any of several names that have been mentioned, including Kreider, depending completely on what is coming back. While I think he'll help, I don't know that Vermette is a difference maker for this club. Now imagine the Bruins offered Lucic for Duke and a first. I'd do that (as much as I hate Lucic). Just citing an example of where I think it's plausible you give up more of the future. I want a surer thing than Vermette.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:32 pm EST

JFC: I get your argument but logic says if you're happy with trading away 2 firsts for a (then) 38 year old winger last year and the team this year appears to be in a better cup contending position, then you shouldn't be opposed to another give up the future for now deal. Should you? That said, I understand it's a balancing act to a certain extent - just how much of the future is one prepared to sacrifice in this case? Just how confident are you that the Rangers are a legitimate cup contender? If one believes a Vermette (or whoever) puts them over the top, then you do it. If you're not sure, you really need to think about it. It's why Sather makes the big bucks...

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:26 pm EST

And when we traded Weight for Tikanen, Tikanen was PROVEN to have his best performances during the playoffs, in addition to being a great defensive player and super pest. Again, this was a guy who we could at least say, "WOW!" when we got him because of his reputation as a WINNER. What's Vermette's reputation? Hanzal? I dunno.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:17 pm EST

But, at least when we got Steve Larmer, he was a GREAT player....very well regarded throughout the NHL and it was widely viewed as a HUGE step towards veteran, experienced player who was going to greatly improve our chances. THAT'S the kind of trade I'm talking about....is that Anton Vermette? uh-uh.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:11 pm EST

RR -- I hear ya....but despite the fact that we won The Cup in '94, it STILL killed me for all those years that Weight and Amonte were tearing up the NHL while we were floundering with Valeri Kamensky and the other pondscum we stupidly picked up to try and fill the void. I understand that we may have to swallow hard on a trade to try and get over the hump, but I want some THOUGHT and hard-driving bargaining going into this stuff....not just treating our best, elite kids like throw-away chips. I want a GREAT return for an elite prospect....not a guy who we'll have for 3 months. Yes, if that guy should somehow be an integral part of winning a Cup, then it's inarguable.....but, that's a tall order. I want to be satisfied that we had to give to get....and we didn't "get"........screwed.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:02 pm EST

RABID- if you don't want to be 'got', try reading your own posts for accuracy and consistency. I'm getting a little tired of doing it all by myself!

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:01 pm EST

RF- don't worry, time will prove me right!

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:57 pm EST

Jfc youre one of the sharpest guys around. You know full well you cant long-term judge a trade you need in the short run.thats the tradeoff. Cost of doing business, whatever.I think we should be happy to be in this position.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:52 pm EST

Seriously, Mess; all you look to do is play word games & gotcha. No time for it anymore. Obviously it depends on the deal as to what you part with. Duclair had an assist in the QMJHL last night. Hes a 3rd rd pick who scored once in 18 games when he had an NHL opportunity. So the outlook is great, maybe ....for the 20-21 season LOL. But the whole franchise doesnt hinge on Anthobu Duclair.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:50 pm EST

Now, ya wanna talk about trading a guy like Wrath who seems to have a slim chance of making it here and I take a different view. He's a 1st round draft choice who has a unique skill set that many other teams might find valuable. Trade him for a guy like Vermette and it STILL may be lopsided but it's tempered wiith the fact that he wasn't AV's cup of tea anyway.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:48 pm EST

If we trade an elite prospect, we better get an elite return. Think about the other team and how they'd be screwing us in our desperation....that's how I would look at trading Duclair or Buch for gritty 2-way center who maybe, maybe will give us a "better" chance at winning The Cup. The other team would be taking advantage of our desperation to win a Cup and end up winning a LOPSIDED trade. Trade one of those guys and I better say, "WOW! Now we've got a GREAT chance at winning The Cup." Vermette doesn't do that for me but tutti i gusti sono gusti...to each his own.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:47 pm EST

Whatever dude. BTW, seems to me you were on here last year gushing about how wonderful the Blues are and how they were cup contenders and poised for a deep PO run. I tried to educate you then and of course, like now, you refused to listen. How'd that turn out?

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:34 pm EST

RABID- you're the one saying one prospect doesn't get it done, that'd you'd trade Duke "and anyone that looks like him" . Seriously, just earlier today.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:32 pm EST

RF: @stevezipay: NHL announces Fluery, Halak to replace injured goalies Howard and Rinne for All-Star festivities //// that's HALAK- not Lundqvist.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:32 pm EST

HOSPO and RR: This is pure statistics. It is what odds makers base their lives on and before you snicker at Vegas Odds Makers remember that those guys make money by the truckload. They know what they are doing. There are teams that have better odds and teams have worse odds. For the sake of argument lets just assume that the Rangers, Islanders, Pens, Caps, Tampa, Montreal, Boston, Red Wings, Anaheim, L.A., S.J., Vancouver, Chicago, Nashville, St. Louis and Winnipeg all were 100% equal teams. This, of course, eliminates other teams that are currently in the playoff hunt so you have to keep them in mind as well. But, assuming the 16 I mentioned were equal the Rangers would have a 1 in 16 chance of winning the Cup. That is a 6.5% chance. Go to the site I linked earlier and click on the 50/50 link at the top left. Those are the raw, pure statistical chances. The weighted numbers take into account that the Rangers are a damn good team and their chances are better then other teams that are playoff bound. And still they have less then a 10% chance to win the Cup. The Rangers were a sucker's bet at this time last year (between 2% and 3%). Nobody even knew if they were going to make the playoffs. At the start of the playoffs their odds were still around 5% because most people considered the Rangers to be the second worst team in the playoffs in the east ahead of only Filthadelphia. Putting VERMETTE in the lineup and taking HAYES out is so statistically inconsequential it isn't even worth mentioning.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:27 pm EST

The NYR's made to the Finals last year and FO's at that time were a BIG weakness and that was WITH Boyle and Richards! So without them, everyone knew FO's were going to be an even bigger issue this season. They are doing pretty here through the regular season, but the PO's are a whole other animal as we know. Its the little things that make a huge difference. Myself, if The Duke is given up for a good two way center that can win FO's and solidify those bottom two lines.....sign me up. Still like to add someone like Eric Cole as well. Thanks for listening and now back to the Lurking Lair.

RinkRat


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:09 pm EST

We've got a terrific young team and several real good prospects coming, though theres no clear spot for them to play. Why on earth are you talking about bare cupboards for Mess? Cause thats all some internet asset managers know how to say. Hello? Its not 2004 anymore. This is mindless drivel I have no patience for today.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:02 pm EST

VIC - Are those VEGAS odds? What were the odds the Rangers were going to make the Finals last year.? or that the Bruins were after being in 1st all year? ..I totally disagree with your stance there ..The Rangers are getting destroyed on FOs as a team, leading to a loss in puck possession that will start biting them in the ass more and more, and HAYES and his line ahave been a offensive nothing for quite a bit..And let's not even talk about his defensive inadequacie which makes the coach shelter him and play them less.....ONE PLAYER like a VERMETTE can make a huge difference..You give the coach a line he is not afraid to play at any time...against any body....and a line that can function both offensively and definsvely.....And you give Dominc Moore some help so he doesn't wear out..One move can hlep so much...Since we disagree there,,,we disagree on the rest.........And in the age of FA and Salary Cap, I think a GM of the New York Rangers owes it to his team and fans to just about go for it every year (with in reason, and I think he can do it this way this year)

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:00 pm EST

or, what Vic said.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:59 am EST

Probably more like one unsuccessful try, and then a bare cupboard. If winning a Cup were as easy today as adding one spare part late in the season to an unfamiliar system, then there'd be a lot more competition in the finals than there is.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:57 am EST

Vermette is my 4th choice, btw. And we should get a pick back in a 1-for-1. But Vic, where are you getting these probabilities from, Vegas? I think we're as elite as anyone with one good trade, and odds are real good we can win this thing. The idea of prospect hoarding at a time like this makes me crazy. Hayes is untouchable? He hirs no one, doesnt shoot enough & cant win a faceoff. I guess I should hope he figures it out 5 years from now, maybe then we can win. Except Hank will be presiding over Sweden by then.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:46 am EST

HOSPO and RR: The point is this. The Rangers chances of winning a Cup right now are %9.5. Bringing in VERMETTE and sending HAYES to Hartford doesn't even move the needle above %10. One 3rd line player on a 20 man roster is inconsequential unless we are talking about an Elite #1 Center. Sacrificing talent and assets to make moves that have a negligible effect on a team's Cup prospects is horrendous mismanagement. It is extremely difficult to win a Cup and even the best team's odds are less then 20% in any given year. Look at Detroit. They made the playoffs for 20 years and had very good teams over those years. They were Cup contenders for most of that time and they made deals to improve themselves at the deadline. In the last 20 years they won it 4 times. They didn't win it 16 times.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:43 am EST

If I was GM you'd have a helluva lot more than 4 Cups in 90 years, or whateverthefuck we're up to. Go count your prospects, Mess.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:40 am EST

Im glad you're not GM. Duke for Vermette alone is a lousy trade.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:27 am EST

Vic, told you there wasn't a polite way to say it LOL. And as much as I love the roulette scenario, we've been rebuilding for 15 years under Sather. When exactly do we get to go for it? We shouldn't because of Anthony DuClair? Ill trade that MFer this afternoon and everyone who looks like him. Duclair? What about LUNDQVIST?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:25 am EST

VIC - When you have a team this good, healthy (i.e., The King and the D) and together, you go for it, because the opportunity may not come around for a few years, if then....And if a move and injury like that happened, I would applaud SAther for trying to win when he had the chance...THings don't always work..Can't go through life or a season beaing a chickenshit of what bad thing might happen......And let's not be overdramatic about how "going for it" this year ruins chances for the future..We're talking one damn trade...and of guys that may or may not ever do much in the NHL

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:20 am EST

VERMETTE is the perfect flexible, at times gritty, two-way, FO winning fit for the Rangers and AV.....Hanzel is good at FOs, bigger, dirtier but selfish and oftrn irresponsible on the ice....But I'll take either.......No Ranger prospect is off limits in my eyes but the return has to be worth it-----i.e., not Buch or Ducllair for Vermette.............As for tonight, the BRUINS are going to play their game leading to a few fans on here poppin blood vessels......The Rangeres will never be afraid of the Bruins..they will play as physical as their game allows,,,but the dirty hit will never come from the Rangers....Just how it is.....ANyway, the Rangers just need to play their game, unlike the other night against the Isles...

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:16 am EST

RR: Am I nuts? Maybe, but I don't think so about this. It is bad business and just incredibly reckless to go All-In on this year. Lets use your big fear as an example. Lets say the Rangers go out and trade DUCLAIR and draft pick to land VERMETTE this afternoon. Four hours later NASH gets concussed by LUCIC and is done for the year. Now how do you feel about the trade you just made? With half the season to go there are so many reasons why this just might not be a year the Rangers have a chance at a Cup. Even if that doesn't happen the Rangers chances at a Cup win are less then 10% right now (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html). Before you go objecting 10% is pretty damn good. Last year it was 3% at this time. The analogy here is that you have $1000 in your pocket and you are walking into a casino. Do you really think it would be wise to walk right over the roulette wheel and plop $800 on one spin covering 3 numbers on the wheel? That is a sucker's bet. You are going to lose 9 times out of 10. Sure, you still have some money left to bet with but your chances of walking out of that casino as a winner are now remote at best. That is what it is all about. I look at the next 5 years and I want to win 1 or more Cups in that span. It isn't going to happen if they go All-In this year and fail.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:09 am EST

MF; No.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 11:08 am EST

Oh, I gotcha JFC. Cant let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If they'd chronologically preserved a 24-yr old Gretzky (and I don't know that possible when the guys still alive - God-awful analogy:) still no guarantees. As to 'elite' prospects, in general they should get you more than a UFA. But are these guys elite? I tend to think no, a rung or maybe two below. So they get you something good when you need it, convenience tax and all that.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:48 am EST

As for the Bruins, Nash needs to be aware of, and angry about, the injuries that those pricks gave him and since AV gives no protection to him, he needs to be prepared to protect HIMSELF....stick up in the face area when someone is gonna check him hard....do a Messier on them....stick to the teeth would be more than worth it and put people on notice that the shit is gonna stop one way or another. If Nash is not willing to match brtality with brutality, then there's nothing else to say. AV ain't gonna help him.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:44 am EST

RR -- because I don't think it's a slam dunk that he is THE answer. He's Anton Vermette....other than the fact that we need to improve our faceoffs, would we ever talk about this guy in general like he's a guy who we'd all love to have? Elite prospects should get more than just a UFA center. To me, our elite prospects are Duke and Buch, Kreider is a budding power forward and JT Miller is on the cusp of becoming an NHL regular. If one of them goes, we better get someone who we're as damned certain as possible is gonna make a difference towards winning us a Cup AND stay here longer than 3 months when he walks away for nothing.

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:43 am EST

All hail Lauri Korpikoski the compromise choice of one....

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:34 am EST

JFC, You're veering too brother ;) By your own logic, we could use Vermette (who incidentally is Arizona's No. 1 center; yeah, he'd be our 3rd, but not by much), we need help on faceoffs, we have a chance to win a Cup and..... why wouldn't we trade a prospect? or 3?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:29 am EST

MF, the Bruins can't skate with us but it wont lead to many penalties, cause they're very good at being sneaky. and dirty. Vic, it's a Cup year; we're declaring all the prospects off limits? Id call that backwards thinking but it sounds a little harsh. So..... are you nuts? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 10:14 am EST

RF.. I'm hoping the Bruins can't skate with us & it leads to penalties.. That should perpetuate their inability to keep up.. Chara got away with a mugging a few days ago, so why should they think anything different? That's the signal the league just gave them.. Imo

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:22 am EST

Look for Marchant to pull some of usual cowardly cheap tactics - he's notorious for doing so against a team that doesn't retaliate, which describes the Rangers to a T.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:20 am EST

Adam McQuaid is back, too. Two years ago, when Nash got concussed in a game against the Bruins, it was due to the combination of 2 hits he took. The first one was an unpenalized elbow from Lucic and the second an unpenalized boarding penalty that occurred behind the Bruins net courtesy of McQuaid. The latter caused Nash's head to bounce off the glass. Of course, neither were responded to by the meek Rangers. I guarantee all on here that the Bruins will be hunting Nash like a bunch of predators.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:14 am EST

Here's what the Rangers need to be wary of tonight - this whole episode is precipitated by Chara, one of the biggest assholes in the game, when the Bolt player bumps him slightly. Gawd I wish someone would take one of Chara's eyes out so has to retire. And look at Lucic looming in the background, just itching to injure someone. Nash had better keep his head up. http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/you-dont-mess-with-z-the-moral-of-a-one-punch-hockey-ko/

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 9:08 am EST

RF/Vic -- all I know is that if one of our top prospects get traded, it damned well better be for a player who is gonna make a HUUUGE impact on our ability to win The Cup. Anything else would be unconscionable. I mean, we could use a guy like Vermette for obvious reasons, but are we gonna trade one of our top prospects for a potential UFA 3rd line center because we can't win faceoffs?

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:58 am EST

Vic/JFC: Re trading young assets. Yeah maybe, but I also get the notion of going all in. All those high picks Sather has moved and no cup is like going into the ring with 1 hand tied behind your back. What's the point?

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:54 am EST

“I don’t think that whether Kevin or Dom, those two lines have played about the same amount of minutes,” Vigneault said. “The only difference between Kevin and Dom is that I’ve asked Dom to take more defensive zone faceoffs.”

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:51 am EST

Vic: Agreed and it bugs the hell out of me (and I maintain will be the team's downfall in the end, just as it was with the Canucks when they managed to get to the final). Why that stubborn goat AV cannot get that in his head is beyond me.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:49 am EST

JFC: I totally agree. DUCLAIR, BUCH, MILLER, KREIDER and HAYES are all untouchable to me unless they are part of a deal to land McDAVID.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:49 am EST

JFC: Because we're passionate fans and sometimes lose sight of the bigger picture? And sometimes, some of us simply don't know what we're talking about! LOL...

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:48 am EST

Hospo: There's a ton of pressure in MInnesota to make the POs due to their ridiculous double contracts with Suter and Parise. No way to they sell off unless they believe there's no chance of a PO spot, which isn't the case now. Easily their biggest issue is in nets - they've lacked solid goaltending all year long. Obviously, not an easy problem to solve.

RF4L


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:43 am EST

As for the topic of will AV neuter someone like HANZAL the answer is two-fold. If someone who played a mostly physical game were acquired I have no doubt that AV would lay down the law and say "stay out of the box at all costs". That means tone down your physical play so that you don't take unnecessary penalties. Don't start scrums and don't interfere with the flow of the game. So yes, anyone like that would have to tone it down. It is a big part of the reason why DORSETT and CARCILLO aren't here. GLASS doesn't play that way. He is physical but not abrasive. The second part of that answer is that if someone plays an abrasive game I doubt the Rangers would even consider bringing him in at all. So, if you are targeting abrasive players you might be wasting your time. I base this on the decisions that were made between last year and now. SATHER, and more importantly AV, seem to have no interest in anyone that plays an abrasive game.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:33 am EST

I find it kinda strange that over and over again, from various posters, I keep reading about Duclair getting us this and Duclair getting us that in a trade. Why? Yes, we need to go for The Cup in the next several years and if a team were to ask for Duclair in a package that would get us a chip that would possibly put us over the top, then fine. But, I'm not talking about that....I'm talking about folks SPECIFICALLY saying Duclair over and over again in terms of what he could get us. Does anyone here think there's a reason why he ended up making the team this year out of camp? He is undoubtedly one of our TOP prospects....a dynamic sniper in the making and we talk about him as if he is just a chip to get someone else. This kid was a consensus first rounder who only dropped because of fears about his "attitude", his "cockiness" etc....we got a first round talent with a 3rd round pick because the old greybeard NHL has a thing about certain kids who "show off" and as I mentioned earlier in the season, the reason for that is obvious but is fodder for the Off Topic Wall. But, again, I think many here are showing the same lack of respect for what Duclair accomplished this season and the bright future he seems to have in an AV system that seems custom made for him to be the SNIPER that will fill the net long after Nash stops doing so. Why?

JFC31


Thu Jan 15 2015 8:32 am EST

Why would ANYONE want to touch KESSEL and his contract with a 10 foot pole. He will never be a Ranger and for that I am glad. This team doesn't need anyone who doesn't know where the defensive half of the ice is. I don't care how many points he scores he has been a minus player every year of his career except one. At least when NASH wasn't scoring last year he busted his ass defensively and tried to be a complete player. KESSEL will never do that.

Vic


Thu Jan 15 2015 7:16 am EST

a couple of questions...why did veenyo play a hurt stepan on the pp, and why didn't stepan say he couldn't go?. Besides the posts, his bad pass to set up the shorty was the back breaker. If it was another player there would have been plenty of rocks thrown. Because he was hurt, he gets a pass? That decision was the final nail..... coaches can affect the outcomes of games.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 15 2015 1:35 am EST

Besides the kids that they're going to hold on to, Yandle is the only 'Yote that I'm interested in, and only if the price is right.

Messier11


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:52 am EST

Its like a time warp sometimes with the deadlines; same names recycled. But Hanzel would be new & exciting.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:43 am EST

I read that Minny just signed Dubnyk from Arizona..... doesn't sound like sellers just yet

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:38 am EST

MINNY might be selling off parts also...ANybody there for our weaknesses?

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:32 am EST

Oh I meant to give Jumbo a mention. Think he was -3 vs us. Weird game that guys got. 100% passes. All of them good but thats all there is. Sj is crazt if they dont blow that up. Marleau's name is out there again.....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:27 am EST

And then there's always enticing Keith Tkachuk out of retirement! :)

Hospo


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:20 am EST

You keep these Doan posts going & "E" just might drive by... ;-)

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:20 am EST

Hanzel will cost more than just Duke. Id guess one of Moore MCI Skjei. And a early pick. Jmwo.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:18 am EST

Except gor the skating part.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:17 am EST

Watch Sather convince Doan to finally take a 6-week cameo before that franchise ends up in Nome. He'd actually fit well.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:15 am EST

RR: IMO we can't carry Kessel. Nash = $7.8mill per, Hank = $8.5mill per..... I don't understand your last post. sorry....

mf


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:08 am EST

And no dont think do MF. That guy will bring back a haul cause every team wants that and do few do.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Jan 15 2015 12:04 am EST

Lets get'em all MF & find out! We were scouting LA-Leafs. Id have yo vote no on Kessel. Though id take him over St Louis any day.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:58 pm EST

Well then, will DuClaw alone get us Hanzal ?? BTW, Skjei is off the table afaic....After last nights game & today's posts I'm concerned... Big aggressive forwards have been beating us since I can remember and I believe that those players are what ultimately won it for the Kings last year, and they won it in front of our net... Naturally, that's just one fan's opinion... My concern about AV's coaching strategies is that he doesn't seem to ever allow the "TEAM" to dial up the traditional aggressive play.. So will he neuter a HANZAL, a Kassian, a Simmonds (Bob) , etc, if or when we acquire them? ...

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:50 pm EST

IMO the Oilers have the pieces to engage in a Kessel deal......

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:31 pm EST

Bob McKenzievsaid Maloney instructed to do full rebuild. We should definitely get one of their big 3, at keast. Kessel on block too, Leafs are listening.. Things are heating up

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:16 pm EST

MF - Wow, I don't agree with that take one iota..The Rangers top 4 D-men afre rock solid (well, I'm considering Klein as a 4th D-man)...Moore played pretty damn well in last years POs and yes, BOYLE has his defensive liabilities but his impact on the PP is key and his expereince will help him inthe tight defensive games of the POs.. You want to shore up the D, OK, but AFTER you fix the problem up the middle and in the FO circle

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:01 pm EST

http://blueseatblogs.com/2015/01/14/massive-trade-deadline-decision-awaits/

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:54 pm EST

RF4L - Not me, win the Cup (only thing that matters) with Mark Staal whether he's coming back or not..It's in reach with him...not without him..worry about next year (after we win the Cup) next year.

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:32 pm EST

""IF"" keeping an unsigned Staal and risk losing him for nothing gives us a better shot at winning The Cup than the return we can get in trading him......... "pick-em folks!"

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:11 pm EST

mf: Then he should be traded....

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:18 pm EST

Keep reading that Eric Staal will NOT waive his no trade clause which always leads me to thinking Marc will not resign by the trade-deadlinr

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:13 pm EST

4th line is where he ended up, but not before picking up the "Mr. Everywhere" moniker. He just couldnt outplay Hags, Kreider (debatably) and Nash. No crime there.

Messier11


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:50 pm EST

It's fine with JT. His learning curve shouldn't stop just cause he secured (what was) a 4th line spot. He's been good there, and okay when shifted. So good for him. he's been playing about as well as anybody. I do think they need to give other people a look, to see what they have for emergency, or even guys theyre thinking of moving, just in case. But 40 games left and no callup, guess theyre confident in what they know.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:38 pm EST

He no ideal fit, but I think its pretty telling that Miller is getting the chance at 2C, not Moore, not Hayes, not Mueller, not Lindberg. I think its the right call.

Messier11


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:14 pm EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/columnist/allen/2015/01/13/nhl-second-half-pressing-questions-trade-deadline-coach-firings/21719369/

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 7:20 pm EST

http://hockeyinsider.com/2015/01/14/rumors/rumors-iii-friedman-30-thought-roundup/

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 7:03 pm EST

Are we playing for the 2 points in each of the immediate games? Sure hope so......

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:46 pm EST

be better off calling up Mueller for 4th line center....but veenyo and sather know better....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:13 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord So #NYR lines sans Stepan: Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello Kreider-Miller-St. Louis Hagelin-DMoore-Stempniak Glass-Hayes-Fast

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:00 pm EST

The day after a loss sucks..... I'd like to see Hayes play wing for a few games as soon as possible to hear the collective opinions here on the Wall.... Just a reminder, we're just about half way through our regular season & 47 days until the trade deadline.......... Who to target in trade? what is the organization looking for? Who are the Rangers willing to part with? As stated, it's all up to AV, Sather & the brass, and will AV play them to their strenghts??? What a mind-trip........

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 5:49 pm EST

Mr. Hospo, we'll be expecting a full scouting report with pictures, footage & souvenirs ..... :->

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 5:47 pm EST

yeah, Mess, and didn't ya hear? Glass is going to the All-Star Game!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 5:44 pm EST

RABID - Who knows if you were/are right or wrong...As always, Only matters what AV/SAther want to see rather then you or me...Going down to watch the Norfolk-Wolfpack game this weekend, so I might actually have something to base my opinion on!

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 5:32 pm EST

Malone is on his way to the glue factory. ///// Strickland speculating the LOA means a deal is around the corner for Brodeur. To whom and for what, I wonder.

Messier11


Wed Jan 14 2015 5:29 pm EST

Ive thought all along there was a good chance we were better with Lindberg & Malone than Glass & Hayes.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 5:09 pm EST

Brodeur has asked for, and received, a one-week leave of absence from the Blues

Messier11


Wed Jan 14 2015 4:53 pm EST

RABID - I think MILLER does best at Wing also, but for a 1-2 game injury replacement I'd rather have him as a Top 9 C, where he is actually pretty decent on FOs (a HUGE Ranger weakness) and give much less time to Hayes and bring in the physocal Glass for two physical team......I don't want anything to do with LIndberger at this moment in time but I hear ya on MALONE ..

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 4:46 pm EST

Hospo, I don't think its a small thing to just say shift JT. Leave the kid alone with the bfuglyein switches already. He's shown beyond any doubt imo this time around he's better suited at wing. So you get a center hurt, you recall one. And dress Glass over Fast or Stempniak. And yeah I wanna see Lindberg get 1-2 games. But I think a lot of guys, or a decent amount lets say in Hartford should've gotten a look. That includes Malone, who I also wouldn't mind seeing against Boston. AV's too fucking uptight man.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 4:43 pm EST

Or because Linberger isn't very good. As I posted earlier this week, there's nothing down there AV is interested in, save for perhaps Skapski (if one of the King/Prince go down). Like it or not, the Rangers aren't exactly brimming with quality prospects, which is to be expected when 3 of the past top 4 draft picks (2 firsts and a second) have been traded away.

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 4:39 pm EST

No problem with No Call up ..if it's a 1-2 game thing....let's be real, they are not sending down Hayes----yet......So, I'd rather have Miller at 2nd c with Hayes at 4th C and Glass (for the Bruins and BJs) then both Lindberger and Hayes in the lineup down the middle and no Glass....

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 4:33 pm EST

Nope. No callup per AV. Because he's a genius.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 4:20 pm EST

Nothing yet but I'll be checking the AHL wire until 5. One of the writers mentioned Rangers may try to save a day of cap hit by not making move till close of business. This SHOULD be a perfect time to look at Lindberg. He's better than Hayes by a good margin. Thats right, I said it, cause he is. I was also wondering all this time if they weren't hiding him from Maloney so to speak. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 2:34 pm EST

WILD - I started eating my crow on Fast awhile ago Used to see him as a "no harm no help" player but he does all the little things, is smart, physical/not afraid to use the body, and can check and forecheck, and kill penalties A solid 4th liner...Hopefully someday he opens up on offense because it's obvious he can skate..may take the right combo of linemates whoever that may be...or AV letting him open up

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 2:21 pm EST

Yeah, he's a real terror Wild LOL; IKidding. I know what you mean. that comes from balance, and Fast's is real good.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 2:20 pm EST

Sounds like Step not too serious & not out long; 1:39PM: Larry Brooks says that Stepan may play on Friday or Sunday. (Brooks) 1/14/15 | 1:23PM: Derek Stepan will travel with the Rangers to Boston but he is unlikely to play against the Bruins tomorrow. (Cyrgalis) Alain Vigneault said that Stepan is being listed as day to day. (Cyrgalis) The Rangers play Friday in Columbus and Sunday in Pittsburgh.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 2:19 pm EST

FAST: The more this kid plays...the more I like him. Someone mentioned his hitting. I knew he did hit ( read it from some scouting report) but I have noticed his hits look like he is bigger than he is. Meaning when he hits a guy the reaction is more like Brian Boyle put his full size into it not a about 6 foot about 200 player. He has a powerful biting style and finishes hard. A pleasant suprise from him

Wildcard


Wed Jan 14 2015 1:49 pm EST

Arcobello, traded last month to Nashville for Derek Roy, claimed off waivers by Pittsburgh, joins ex-oiler Perron.

Messier11


Wed Jan 14 2015 1:43 pm EST

JFC - A few things..Miller made some good plays but alsi did make a dangerous pass last night but he was hardly alone...It was the Ranger vets who were making long, soft and lazy passes (often cross ice) all night.....As for the bottom 6 forwards, I guess all that goes on the back burner with Step out and Miller moving forward...I think HAYES weaknesses in tight games are becoming too big to ignore...and when we get a healthy team back, I hope AV seriously reconsiders his ice time or even top 12 status..

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 1:31 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-brad-ross-suspended-20-games-for-violating-performance-enhancing-substance-policy/

mf


Wed Jan 14 2015 1:13 pm EST

Last night was a game that really illustrated alot of things about this team....mostly bad, but it's just one game after a great streak. The FO problem we have been yapping about for quite a while showed itself quite clearly last night, as well as an inability to depend on younger players in high pressure situations. Hayes was a huge contributor to horrible team FO % and he simply did not play well in any aspect of the game. JT MIller made a couple of passes that were absolutely CRAZY and would have led to disaster in a PO game....inexplicably throwing the puck right in front of his own net in a panic move makes me think he still has a long way to go mentally. We need to try Hospo's Kid Line of Hayes-Miller-Fast and play them as the 4th line....leave the inexperience where it won't huirt as much and let them grow together while Stemp-Moore-Hags (who are dependable vets) take 3rd line minutes and responsibilty. Miller can juimp in for Hayes on FOs when he gets tossed and save the Hayes FOs for the offensive and neutral zones only....like a 4th line usually gets. Enough with the flock of bottom 6 forwards....set up a 3rd and 4th line with minutes that go according to those designations. If the HAyes line gets 8-10 minutes, so be it....until they start showing they are maturing and winning faceoffs on a regular basis, that's what they should get.

JFC31


Wed Jan 14 2015 1:01 pm EST

If Glass plays to form, that line could account for 12 hits/game. (Im giving Hayes 1). However, Id have Hags/Hayes/Stemp, Glass/Moore/Fast. You want the hitters on for defensive zone draws and Hayes won't win the face-off.

Messier11


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:51 pm EST

According to Gross: Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello.... Kreider-Miller-St. Louis ......Hagelin-DMoore-Stempniak .....Glass-Hayes-Fast....Not even sure I would try to play the HAYES line all that much agaist the Bruins....Hayes if we are behind.....Glass hits (and actually so deos Fasth--who has grown on me) but how much diff will it make? It's the other lines physicality that matters....Klein, Staal, Gorardi and Mcd need to put their big boy pants on also

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:45 pm EST

Jeez, could Oscar finally see a shift? maybe, m-a-y-b-e? I maintain what I said in summer; if this kid gets in the lineup he's not coming out.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:38 pm EST

KIS -Could be, they mentioned back on one of the telecasts last night....RF4L/VIC -The only time i like watching HAYES is when we have the puck in transition or in the offensive zone..At those times he can help the Rangers...OTOH, I hate his meakness, weakness, defensive lapses and FO incompetence....However, I also understand alot of this is mainly a result of inexperince and youth...He will get stronger and more intense and become a more complete player...Just don't see it happening over the next few months!...with Stepan out, it would be a good time to prove me wrong starting tomorrow night in his familiar Boston...

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:16 pm EST

I think its Steps back. He played a shift or two but wouldn't bend over to take a FO. I think back

KIS


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:15 pm EST

RR i agree with you on the beating everybody 7-2 if we had th horses. This has been my concern that although the kids are talented, there are to many playing without the experience to win a cup. JT Miller inevitably makes a dumb play. Hayes cant win a FO. Fast is Eh. Yet we still have a young Kreider than comes and goes. J moore trying to find his game. A lot of ifs. On the other hand you have MSL, who to me doesn't do much and he gets lost for stretches of the season and is an old timer. IDK thats why im here and not a Ranger brass

KIS


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:09 pm EST

Just to Update; Derek Stepan is not on the ice this morning at Rangers practice. (Zipay) JT Miller is skating between Chris Kreider and Marty St. Louis this morning. (Cyrgalis) The Rangers have not yet called someone up from Hartford. The Rangers may wait until after 5PM to make a call up so that the player doesn’t count against the cap for today. Stepan played limited minutes after the first period last night due to what the team called an “upper body injury.”

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:05 pm EST

Wild, on radio they said it was Step's leg. The Post says arm, you say back. Only thing that seems clear to me is an Islander hurt a Ranger, shock beyond shocked. An attitude of appeasement not only loses you hockey players and thusly hockey games, it would've lost you a little thing called WWII too. So maybe go to your bridge and try taking a dip to wash off that BULLSHIT once and for all. In my lifetime the Rangers have basically been hockey yellow all but twice, the Cup years,and to a lesser extent the Torts years, where they really developed a mob mentality. Two successful teams and not a coincidence. Last year's team was successful, a bit tougher than the present version but was still bruised & battered badly - and it may well have cost them a Cup. But here's how you know AV is off the mark; if he had the horses for a big-time scoring 3rd line, then Id say fine, let's beat everyone 7-2 and we'll rely on the refs, who've been so great to us try the years, to handle justice.I would. But we don't. We have Hagelin and Hayes and Stempniak and Fast and none score with any frequency. And so there's no logic to it. It is a SENSELESS aspect of the game, but you cannot ignore it.Dan Boyle had his nose broken twice and the Isles go right after it. Bloodsport shit. Not every shift, but it rears its head and you'd best be prepared to COMBAT it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:10 am EST

RF4L: I've not made it a secret that I am big HAYES supporter. That said, his improvement has leveled off from the rate we saw last month. To be expected of a young player. Two steps forward and one step back.... However, I don't think you can expect him to play a physical game at this stage of his career (or maybe ever). First, I don't think that is his game. He looks like a skilled player that just got tall all of the sudden. Besides that he definitely doesn't have the leg strength yet for that type of game. His body weight distribution is definitely very top heavy and that hurts his balance. He also doesn't use his legs for leverage properly. I'll give you an example of a play from last night. He was on the ice and the Islanders were threatening. The puck was right by the right side of the net and an Islander was trying to get it. HAYES came in and put his body between the ISLANDER and the goal and kicked the puck behind the net. He used his body to shield the puck and kick it out of danger. BUT, you could see that HAYES came in upright and tall with a narrow base. There is no way he could knock that Islander out of the crease or away from the net. He just doesn't get the leverage. BUT, he made the play. Not the way you want but he made the play.

Vic


Wed Jan 14 2015 11:01 am EST

HOSPO: I'll try...;-)

Vic


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:54 am EST

Agreed that Hayes doesn't hit. Frustrating as hell seeing as he's one of the biggest forwards on the team. Time and time again he has chances to take a man out and either elects to stick check or turns away. I'm not expecting him to drive guys thru the boards (as nice as that would be) but a little physicality is in order. It would serve to make him more effective. Hopefully, this is a product of his inexperience (and no doubt personality) and over time he'll come to learn the importance of bringing some physical presence to the ice.

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:44 am EST

VIC - The WALL did not explode into doom and gloom..two or three people just let their passion get the best of them...No biggie......And VIC maybe I'm alone but those long DESPO-like posts scare me away from reading them! Too much brainwork needed! :), Can you break them into digestable chunks

Hospo


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:41 am EST

the real problem seems to be the NYR lack of size and push back. In the playoffs it becomes more glaring.....they are open to being slowed down from hits and guys leaning in on them....without the sticky to the waist bs the nhl thinks is a big penalty.....they keep 2 hands on their stick with their elbow and body doing what the stick is not allowed to do.....the nhl's concept of interference and pick plays is still mostly in the stone age......Hayes is trying to be the new Brian Boyle, and not doing a good enough imitation......and he was at times a big p..sy......but he was aces in the playoffs.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:38 am EST

Rabid: Stepan was having his BACK worked on not he bench during the first period. I don't think it was the slash...and also for all those who think anything would stop a slash, I have a bridge to sell you and this awesome land in South Florida. Because slashes happen all the time, and nasty ones too, but no amount of responding will ever stop it. All you can do is ratchet it up, the back and forth until the refs step in and put guys int he box, and than it starts back up again from he beginning. The way to handle it is by scoring on the PP...the refs last night for whatever reason decided that they should not under any circumstances give a team a PP....than decided a couple calls would be OK. That game was dirty from both teams, there were so many slashes and holds and cross checks and trips, in the first alone I counted 5 uncalled against the Rangers and 6 against the islanders....and not just minor things, but things that get called 99% of the time. If the Rangers had 3 or 4 PP int he game instead of 1 broken up by a period break maybe they get a goal or two and have some extra jump because of it. Who knows....but that game last night was a mess for everyone.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:35 am EST

Vic: No, not you specifically, but there are some on here who seem to enjoy the lack of physicality of this team. I hate it - always have and always will. It's my opinion that you can have both (speed/cycling ability and the ability to push back). I see other successful teams who've managed to incorporate players with an edge without losing their overall speed and skill. Like most successful coaches, AV is stubborn and from where I sit seems hellbent on not having anyone with a physical edge play on his team. I keep citing this as an example, but the time to see what McI could do over a sttretch of games existed earlier this year and AV elected to keep Kostagoal in the lineup. Maddening.

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:29 am EST

My take on last night. It was a crap game....just about every player played 90% or more of their shifts like crap. I can't think of anyone who played well more than not...maybe MAYBE Fast, he kind of looked like himself, but otherwise everyone played poor with a lack of energy. I not know if they lacked effort or not, thats hard to see, but they were not getting going in any way. A couple things stuck out. For one, I was very happy with Millers play since his call up. last night was an exception. He made at least one really really bad turn over and a bunch of other not so great plays away from the puck. Its like he was either not think at all or overthinking. Most of the team looked like that though, but he stood out. Its hard to point to one thing, but tired is the word that came into my mind early. They had 2 days off, but after a west coast trip its expected they would come out a little flat, that happens to just about every team. But even with they had a good apply, or a big hit (Miller had a big one) the boost it gave them was short lived. It felt like the second game of a back to back set and the end of a 5 games in 7 nights type thing....not a first game home after 2 days off. Now, this team has normally bounced back well form games like this. Hank usually does as well after a poor game. The next game, if they come out and look like the team that WON 13 of 15 and not the team that lost the last game that we know it was a blip, and "just one of those nights" because I don't think the Islanders played all that well. They played well enough, but the Rangers had 3 posts. It could have been EASILY 2-0 after 1, and 2-2 or at the worst 3-2 Islanders after 2 and that changes the way BOTH teams play. I will not excuse the performance in any way, but again, if they bounce back than well...you can't win them all, and as long as they win at least 2 out of 3 on the island than all is well IMHO.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:26 am EST

RF4L: I hope you weren't inferring from my comments that I am a "backer" of a pacifist system. Nothing could be further from the truth. However, I am a realist and I see what this coach and management team are trying to do. I see what they are trying to accomplish and how they are going about it. I also admit that when they have it going on all cylinders it is awesome to watch and they can beat anyone regardless of the size or physicality of the opponent. However, when they aren't playing at the top of their game it quickly falls apart and looks like last night did. The same was true in the playoffs last year and in particular the Finals. When the Rangers had it going the Kings were blown away. They had no answer for the speed and quickness of the Rangers team and the way they moved the puck. When the Rangers didn't have it going the Kings dominated possession and outworked the Rangers in the Rangers end. One thing for sure though, if the Rangers do end up winning a Cup this way there will be other teams trying to imitate it just like always.

Vic


Wed Jan 14 2015 10:11 am EST

RR: Agreed but hopefully the backers of the pacifist style are correct and the Rangers speed will counter any intimidation tactics/physical edge the opposition had. In their defense, it wasn't an issue in California where each team is big and bruising. That said, I didn't see nearly the amount of nastiness in the 2 games I watched (LA and SJ) as I saw last night and I suspect we'll see in both Boston and Columbus. Guess we'll find out soon enough who's right!

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:52 am EST

I think AV is batshit crazy. We were lightweights last year but at least the 4th line had carbomb boyle dorsett. This is just..... upsetting. Step down from a slash, niw here comes Boston with god knows what.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:38 am EST

Vic: Not seeing the explosion of doom and gloom...just some concerns being expressed.

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:36 am EST

RF4L: NO to MYERS in general and certainly NO to trading DUCLAIR, MILLER and a 1st for anything less then CONNOR McDAVID.

Vic


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:33 am EST

Wow, one loss after weeks of brilliant hockey and the Wall explodes with Gloom and Doom. I guess I should have expected it as that is the way that it has always been around here. The worse the Rangers do the more people post. Regardless, please don't read too much into last night. In fact I'm going to come out and make the prediction that the Rangers lose 2 of the next 3 games. This is generally the way things go when streaks come to an end. It was obvious to me that it was ending in SJ. The Rangers were outskated by the Sharks and I knew they were going to get outskated last night. You have to expect a little down streak now. This is almost always how these things go. The timing is unfortunate as they are playing all conference and division opponents right now but it is what it is. If the Rangers do have a little down turn here it doesn't mean they suck or aren't the team they showed they were over the last few weeks. There is no way that they could keep that momentum up from now through June. AV knows what this team can do when it is firing on all cylinders and they just need to get that momentum going toward the end of the season. For all of you who are clamoring for a more physical team or some more grinders you are going to be disappointed and frustrated for years to come. AV doesn't want that kind of team. He wants fast, skilled and disciplined play. He doesn't want them responding to what other teams do physically and he certainly doesn't want them to initiate. He wants them to play their game and play through other team's attempts to get physical. Neutralize excessive physical play with their PP and fight through the rest. You aren't going to beat Boston by playing their game. You aren't going to beat Anaheim by playing their game. You beat those teams by playing your game and forcing them out of theirs. That is AV's approach and when the Rangers are on their game it works. When they aren't you get what you got last night. As for the Faceoff issue, yes it is a big issue for this team and it is not going to be resolved this year. End of story. The reason for that is that the #1, #2 and #3 Centers SUCK on draws, and the #4 Center is decent. Having MILLER take draws for HAYES would give you average faceoff ability on the 3rd line. That still won't fix the biggest part of the problem. That doesn't fix the fact that the two guys that are going to take the most draws for the team (STEPAN and BRASSARD) are going to lose far more then they win. VERMETTE doesn't fix that or help it. As much as the faceoff issue hurts this team I am going to again argue that these soft clearing attempts that the Rangers are letting creep into their game is an absolute killer. The Rangers didn't have the puck much last night and everyone wants to jump on the faceoffs as the cause. It was one of the causes for sure but a much lesser cause then two other ones. 1) they were outstaked and outworked. 2) they surrendered possession to the Islanders all night long. What I mean by #2 is that when the Rangers did manage to get the puck last night they more often then not just flipped it out of the zone to the Islanders. THIS SIMPLY MUST STOP! They did it a lot in SJ and they did it all night long last night. You cannot surrender puck possession like the Rangers do when they are not on their game.

Vic


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:17 am EST

step: He's one of my most hated players - ever. He'll be doing it against the Rangers without a doubt. I also think Nash will be targeted. It's the Bruin way. I'm concerned and can only hope it's my Ranger fan paranoia kicking in.

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:14 am EST

JT to center and dress Glass for Bruins. BTW. How the hell does that POS Chara keep getting away with the crap he pulls. I have never seen a guy get so many crosschecks and free punches in. Anyone see the mugging he pulled last night? God I despise that goonie bird !!

stepunmytoe


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:13 am EST

I know JFC. But I gotra give Glass a tiny bit more leash cause we need ehat he can bring. He started year hurt, then got mumps. I also dont know exactly whats in that -12. I remember him saving a goal with a heads up play. But dont remember a game where his check lit us up. I could always be wrong too. But he also shouldnt bethe only guy in the lineup with any grit.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:05 am EST

Tyler Meyers would apparently cost a first round pick, a top prospect and a solid young NHLer. Are the Rangers interested? Duclair, 2016's first rounder and JT Miller?

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 9:02 am EST

RR -- One of the BIG problems with Glass is that he is a liability....he is -12 on a team where the 2nd worst +/- is -4. That is AWFUL....and whatever hitting he does, and it hasn't impressed me at all, does not make up for the fact that when he is on the ice, the other team has a better chance of scoring. He's a liability and I think AV finally had to give up his blind faith in the guy and face the truth....he's not very good this year.

JFC31


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:56 am EST

RF, they have to win their 3-4 games in hand or that streak will do little for them. It as ridiculous, or seems that way now. 13 of 14 + .500 hockey should get you right near 94 pts, which I think was the 8th place marker last few years. But I'm not going to sweat a PO race. That's crazy after what they just did.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:41 am EST

Mueller was solid imo, Stevie.Helped the PP too. It's not going to take much to boost that center spot. I don't think too much should be made of it. The rest of the team is mostly excellent. The physicality stuff though, obviously, you can't swap out the whole team. KIS was right on, Glass shouldve been in over Fast last night. Should mention I saw JT put a nice lick on someone. Kreider was circling trying to line someone up. Not sure I ever saw him do it though. But unless they bring in Handzel, I can't a big upgrade in the physical department. Vermette sure isn't it. OReilly is solid but he's not scaring anybody either. Another guy without a mean bone in his body, another reason I think they'd like him.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:33 am EST

After sleeping on yesterday's bad outing against the Islanders I realize the argument that it's one game and to boot a game after an impressive western road trip so one should keep his/her conclusions to a minimum. I do think this is realistic: The hungrier team won to the point where the Rangers were totally ineffective for large stretches of play, including most of the 2nd period. Also, the Islanders were considerably more physical and that worked to their advantage. Finally, the pathetic FO efforts hurt the club. If this game is the start of a string of sub-par efforts the Rangers will be physically pummelled by both the Bruins and the BJs (that may happen regardless). The east this year is tough. The Rangers are tied with the Bruins for the 2 wildcard spots, 3 points up on Florida and 5 points up on the Leafs. That's amazing when you consider they just finished a 13 and 1 tear - that's how much better the top end clubs of the east are. In other words, there's not a lot of cushion room and an extended period of mediocrity could easily result in the Rangers looking up at a PO spot again (which they did on and off prior to their big run). Finally, for me, besides the incredible FO numbers, I worry about the Rangers lack of physicality and remain convinced that will end up being their demise, whenever that happens. I hope I'm wrong...

RF4L


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:27 am EST

I have watched pretty much every game this year. No team has taken the body as well, & as hard as the Islanders did to us last night. -- I have been trying hard to give BOYLE the benefit of the doubt this season, but I'm done with him. He is a weak AHL small defenseman in his own end, its laughable how bad he is.

hipcheck


Wed Jan 14 2015 8:09 am EST

a call up for Mueller might make more sense for the present.....and glass probably needs to be in against the b-ruins......

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 7:52 am EST

Trade, no. I wouldn't trade anything more than Duclair for Vermette, jf that much. But Sather probably will.He might not have much choice if he wants a quality center man, other teams in need will drive up the bidding. My order of preference would be Handzel, OReilly, then Vermette, but any would be a nice upgrade. Truth is only they know what's possible on the trade front. For all I know they come back with a Matt Stajan type. But that need is growing obvious to most now. Again not knocking a rook in Hayes. Funny thing is if that idiot Lombardi stuck around we might be okay with he & Hayes. Now they gotta go outside & get something.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 7:50 am EST

Event_Summary....http://snyrangersblog.com/

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 7:11 am EST

"There has been no mystery to the Isles’ revival this season. The acquisitions of Nick Leddy and Johnny Boychuk have made all the difference to a tattered defense, and Jaroslav Halak has shored up the crease. Tavares is Tavares. The offense has been there for a while and explodes on a moment’s notice. The Isles are now seven points ahead in the standings, although the Rangers have three games in hand. ".....instead of 3.......

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:14 am EST

. Three posts on one play. What’s the record? “It’s kind of discouraging when you get three posts in two seconds, especially in a game like this,” Nash said. “Those are the ones that you need to go in.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/14/rangers-islanders-in-review-16/#sthash.XsIMERZ4.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:13 am EST

10) Faceoffs. Hideous even when Stepan was available. The Rangers lost 32 of 59. It only seemed like they lost all of them. And so many of them, by Stepan and Brassard, were just clean losses, as if the Rangers didn’t have a center in the circle. Brassard somehow ended up winning 12 of 20. Stepan won two of seven. Dominic Moore five of 13. Kevin Hayes four of 12. Miller won four of six. No wonder they had so much trouble gaining possession. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/14/rangers-islanders-in-review-16/#sthash.XsIMERZ4.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:09 am EST

what came first?. Guess lb missed the 1st period, and is confused by hit the Post........http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/why-rangers-have-no-excuse-for-laying-an-egg-vs-the-islanders/

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 6:03 am EST

time for limburger......http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/slash-sends-rangers-derek-stepan-out-of-the-game/

stevielegs


Wed Jan 14 2015 2:05 am EST

Rabid.....you would trade the Duke and a Sjkei for Vermette? Zion's

TradeStar28


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:43 am EST

4 posts per Dave Maloney, but I only saw Zuc, Nash, Brass. They get one or two they do their shutdown thing and probably hold on. That's been the formula.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Jan 14 2015 12:11 am EST

The nyr psyche themselves out by hitting the post 3 times instead of getting 1-2- or 3 goals which probably would have changed the outcome of the game. But there is no excuse for Hayes standing there at the end of the game as a spectator . I doubt the refs or whatever they were substitutes would have called a 3 rd man in. The game was over. At least fast got his hair mussed up. If Hayes thinks what he did and didn't do was correct, he should be replaced asap . He needs to grow a pair. And learn how to win more yhan 1 of 3 faceoffs. He's becoming the weak link.

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 11:47 pm EST

They had no energy tonight. A half step makes their game look pedestrian. Ulfie was complaining about it between periods. Gt hey tried to tip-toe thru as n opponent that hates them. When their shots didnt fall they were done. The Garden crowd is a bunch of pussyboys. Fuckin faggots. Back in the day....eh, why bother? Call Maloney. He gets Duclair and one of Moore, Skjei or McIlrath. We get the 6-6 czech cross-check machine that wins faceoffs. He can keep Yandle if we cant get a good price.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 11:26 pm EST

hospo agree fully buddy. As much as I like the speed there shuold be a bit more balance. I hate when a team can only win one way. Right now for the Rangers thats speed. I don't understand why there can be at least one big strong physical line.

KIS


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:44 pm EST

I was thinking about this while watching the Ducks-Jets the other night. Guys get strafed across their hands and arms and there is no call. But if the guy's stick gets slashed in half it is a penalty. Doesn't make a lot of sense. I was within one foot of Gary Bettman the other night before the game. Dude is a midget. One of the kids in the long receiving line for Teemu says "Mr. Bettman, the all star jerseys suck."

Bob


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:43 pm EST

KIS - My thing is that it I think it looked like the Isles manhandled us not because they were the big bad Isles trying to hurt us but becasue they were faster, quicker to the puck, hungrier, better positioned and just plain better...It's how the Rangers looked all last week...You know I have always wanted one more big forward on this team, especially at C..but I just don't see it happening.......VERMETTE is my choice....As for HAYES, I;m just not a huge fan of his readiness right now..He absolutley blows at FOs even if Step also sucks..Also find him unpfrepared to do waht it takes in the defensive zone at this time in his career...That can really bite the Rangers in the ass in the POs

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:43 pm EST

Zip says he thinks it is hand. //// Miller FO 67%, Brass 60%, Moore 38%, Hayes 33%, Stepan 29%

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:31 pm EST

Bob: 'Upper body injury' for Stepan. Scribes guessing it's an arm or hand. Didn't see the play - guessing it's a slash? Probably goonery on the part of the Islanders.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:26 pm EST

hospo many aspects your right but AV had to know Isles would come out hitting. why not have glass in the game instead o fast. They have a big roster. Use it. people shouldn't keep beating up on hayes with the FO all the centers suck on The FO. I still would like to see a more physical Dman. Looking at Vermette today. he would be a help. very good on the FO and very good in the soot out. gonna need somebody to be money in the shoot out down the line. Last month and a hlaf it could make a difference.

KIS


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:24 pm EST

Boston is next bring up ogie oglethorpe NOW!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:21 pm EST

Bruins 2 points behind the Rangers (they are holding last wildcard spot and the Rangers the other one), but the Rangers have 4 games in hand. Bruins are 6 - 1 - 3 in their last 10 and have made up significant standings ground because of that record. McQuaid is back and he and Lucic will, no doubt, be hunting for Rick Nash's head Thursday night.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:19 pm EST

Ditto! Tired of watching it since Dale Rolfe took a pounding. That's a long time..

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:14 pm EST

Sorry Hospo - what can I say? I hate my team getting pounded. HATE IT!

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:04 pm EST

or as Denny Crane said..hope springs a kernal...I'm just a bit confused..hadn't this Ranger team won a few games in a row before this one? Is it not worthy of any hope?..Listen I'm just as frustrated as you guys but not becasue of the macho BS and the Rangers not being the more aggressive team-----this will never happen---just look at our centers---it;s becasue for one of the few games in a olong time these guys were nowhere near as hungry, tenacions,, hard woorking or persistent as the other team..Hell, did you see the number of lazy and weak passes??

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:01 pm EST

hope springs eternal for some...We'll see.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:59 pm EST

No need to get exited.....it's a West Coast Hangover.....we may even loose Thursday but then will right the ship. The 3 games at the Mausoleum will be quite different......although we better do something about these face offs. And what's with Stepan....made of glass I fear.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:54 pm EST

RF4L - C'mon, really? The Rangers just played the most physical team in the west--The DUcks-and destroyed them...Then they played the physical KIngs and made them look like fools most of the night...And you go bonkers becasue of one night where the Isles threw the heavier hits? Look, we arfe never gone be the more aggressive pounding team, it just ain't the Rangers

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:54 pm EST

How serious is Stepan's injury? Glass will be in no doubt against the Bruins.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:53 pm EST

mf.., all fine my friend; hope you are doing well yourself. very frustrated with tonite, gotta agree with RR but that still doesn't excuse the boys for shittin' the bed. Hospo..what game were you watching!? Come on man!

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:51 pm EST

While I do wish the Rangers could be more physical, it's not why they lost...Again, a nice gritty C who can take FOs is top of my list....Like others I did like what Stem and Boyle did at the end..Unfortuenately, it's never proactive and the Rangers sure aren't a team, like some others, that can change the momentum of a game with their hitting..

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:46 pm EST

Just off an airplane. What happened to Stepan?

Bob


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:45 pm EST

KIS: Agreed 100%. Bruins and BJs up next and both will try to run the Rangers out of the rink. Then Pittsburgh who are hardly shrinking violets. Four physical teams and after the first game 1) outhit all over the place 2) shutout loss 3) key player hurt (Stepan) 4) semi-melee at the end of the game and on the ice are Ranger heavyweights Dan Boyle, Jesper Fast and Lee Stempniak - only heavyweight missing was MSL!. What the snot does AV need to see?

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:45 pm EST

WHo gives a shit about McI and the Bruins? Not me...What this game was about was the Isles doing to the Rangers what the Rangers did to the Ducks/Shartks/Kings...The Isles were quicker, more tenacious, more determined, smarter and more hungry to win...Plain and simple...Part of this was the Isles being so good..part of this with the Rangers just not wanting this game for whatever reason........The guys that really were guilt were the vets and "stars" both on D up front..and mostly a team effort.....The silver lining is it shows the Rangers what they might need or how they need to play ALL THE TIME......They all can't be wins..But I'll tell you, this FO thing, which was obvious from pre-season is getting freaking old......And while I don't think Hayes had a bad game, he was spot on again with his 33% FO ability

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:43 pm EST

who came to boyle's rescue....NOBODY......that's pure bs, the guy has a broken nose....STICK UP FOR YOUR TEAMMATE.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:42 pm EST

Shaky Halak with the shutout against the hottest team in the league

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:42 pm EST

Rivalry my ass!

rngrsans


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:41 pm EST

Look at that shit at the end of the game. Islanders pounded the Rangers all night and kudos to Stempniak for putting Harmonic on his ass when Harmonic tried to do what he did all night. Kudos to Boyle for coming to Stemp's aid when asshole Clutterbuck comes in. And I absolutely love Boyle's fired up reaction when he missed that punch from Clutterphuck who knows Boyle's nose was broken twice on Saturday. Did anyone see Martin pulling Fast's jersey over his head was Fast smartly kinda turtled. This is why McI is needed IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:40 pm EST

Islanders shut us out....Loud chants of, "Let's Go Islanders" fill The Garden...Hamonic takes a hard shot at Stemp with one second left, Clutterbuck throws a punch at Boyle. I hope this helps the Rangers remember that hockey is a sport of emotion and controlled anger....not just speed and pretty plays. They should be very concerned about how the Islanders just dusted them and went out to bury them up,until,the final horn. They showed no deference or respect for the Rangers. It's on...

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:39 pm EST

Shutout at home by the Fishsticks....Ugh....Hamonic needs his ass kicked...Good shot by Boyle on Clusterfuck....Team needs some tweaks but we are still damn good...Just a frustrating night....

PJ


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:38 pm EST

Fuck sather and Fuck AV. you let a shit organization come into your building and kick your ass both on the scoreboard and physically. have some fucking respect. This is still a contact mean sport Have some guys that can kick some ass. No need for a jesper fast in a game like this. tanner glass should be in there. I don't care what anybody says. McI should be up with this team. If he isn't ready get rid of J moore and Hunwick and find a boychuck type nasty strong defender.

KIS


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:38 pm EST

EZ/PA: Good to see you, hope all is well.....

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:37 pm EST

RF- glad you figured I can count. What's your excuse?

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:35 pm EST

Tucking Hayes stands there like a chicken ... Big overgrown baby

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:33 pm EST

Yep....Bruins are watching this gleefully. BRING UP McI AND PLAY HIM!

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:32 pm EST

Over 40 shots against, 1st time all year. But Step hurt is bad newd.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:31 pm EST

So Talbot makes another great save and what comes out of that fishsticked stuffed mouth of Shitiletti? Great stickhandling by Tavares. What an ass.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:31 pm EST

One NYR didnt grab early lead writing was on Wall. First game back is historically terrible for almost any team in any sport for whatever reason. Isles anxious to show theyre no fluke. If I was a betting man Id never have bet Rangers tonight. No one cares about standings. Rangers on high profile streak. This one had all the makings.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:24 pm EST

not much to add, all been said; a total shit-show for sure. RF..is spot on about a week-end of beatings. this game is the blueprint for the opposition.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:24 pm EST

Sure wish AV didn't hate McI. Would love to see him pound a freakin fishstick right about now.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:23 pm EST

How Michelletti remains on our broadcast is beyond me...He came alive in this one when the Isles scored....I find myself happy when forced to watch on NBC or NHLN just to get away from this jackass....

PJ


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:20 pm EST

Wow, it's been a while since all I wanted was to avoid the shutout. I'm surprised at the discipline of the fish sticks. Reminds me of my painfull youth growing up as a ranger fan in the 70's on Long Island...cup after cup after cup after cup. I want to return to a reality where the islanders suck!

nyfans


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:16 pm EST

Oh yes we have been more physical team in this game....Ok....

PJ


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:10 pm EST

LOL...figured YOU'D pull that stat. What game are you watching? Are you Shitiletti's buddy? Probably....

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:09 pm EST

Hits are 22-21 US.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:07 pm EST

And Shitiletti needs to get that damn fishstick out of his mouth.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:06 pm EST

I sure wish Hayes would throw a body check or 2?

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:06 pm EST

For face -off help,.i was perusing the face off leaders and specifically looking at the non playoff teams and besides Vermette, the only other good faceoff guy who will be a UFA after this year is McClement on Carolina..doesn't score but his faceoff percentage is 55%; . He would be much cheaper to acquire than Vermette.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:05 pm EST

Good to learn what strategies can be dloyed against us. Not complicated....go hard against our leading scorer, get in front of Lundqvist. When that happens, we need to be able to target THEIR best player and we just don't have that component available

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:02 pm EST

Good call RF4L....Talbot in for the 3rd

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:02 pm EST

They are pushing everyone around. Nash got thrown like a rag doll.

rangerlou


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:01 pm EST

Their physical play is so obvious.Our speed is non existent and we are getting outplayed

rangerlou


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:01 pm EST

The Rangers have been terrific, and I wouldn't be happy for them to suck against any team....but this team? It's like salt in a wound. Ouch...I really, hate the Islanders.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:59 pm EST

Why is this a bigger game for the Fishsticks?....We are at home and trail them in the standings....They also blew us out earlier this year....Huge game for us....

PJ


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:59 pm EST

A disgraceful period.... Jt jitters bad pass and bad d by him leads to goal #2... Stepan with his head up his ass pass on pp gives up a shortie assist from hank on #3 ...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:54 pm EST

Either the rangers are on empty tonight or the fish are that good. Hayes has become frustrating to watch. Has a big body hits nobody and can't win a face off. Rangers need to get bigger up front. New this one was gonna be a shit show. Wish I was wrong.

barto


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:54 pm EST

Hard too watch this game....A prick like Hamonic pushes us around and we do nothing....No push back at all....Faceoff issue will be addressed via trade without a doubt...This can't go on.....Just one game but why against the f'ing Fishsticks....

PJ


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:54 pm EST

Didnt finish early chances (two posts on one play), perimeter offense. Predictable. Its good they get their ass kicked, in a way. Hate that its against the Isles. But this was a bigger game for them than us. And theyre playing like it.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:53 pm EST

How does the Preds continuously win? I look at that lineup and it is far from lights out? Unless Peka Reka stands on his head every night between the pipes

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:51 pm EST

Shitty period and a bad game from the boys overall. To be expected after a long road trip and the success they had. I hate that it has to be against the Fishsticks but not surprised.

DCIGolfer


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:51 pm EST

All that said, Halak is shakey - a strong 3rd period could result in some goals for the Rangers.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:48 pm EST

mf: LOL. For me the biggest concern, after the continued FO shittiness, is the fact that the Rangers are getting physically pounded all over the ice.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:47 pm EST

FWIW, Talbot should play the 3rd. Rest the King for the Bruins and then let Talbot play the BJs.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:46 pm EST

Just tuned in, this sucks, soup sucks, & Sather sucks.!!!! What are the odds of us scoring 4 unanswered goals in the 3rd?

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:46 pm EST

Trade: And someone who can win a FO regularly. Coming into this game the Rangers are only ahead of the fabulous cup contending Buffalo Sabres for FO supremacy.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:45 pm EST

Need a piece of the puzzle on the front end and a piece on the back end before the trade dead line.

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:45 pm EST

Sather SUCKS again.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:45 pm EST

JFC.Stepan is on the ice so he's ok, Rangers arent sharp at all seems like Isles showed up for this showdown , we look tired indeed !!!!

ilya


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:45 pm EST

Bruins and BJs up next. More battery. How many on the disabled list come Saturday morning.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:43 pm EST

I guess I should have specified which team needed to score on that PP....

Vic


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:43 pm EST

What an absolutely horrible second period. Rangers being beaten in the alley and on the scoreboard.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:43 pm EST

Bye Bye

rngrsans


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:43 pm EST

Add in a shit goal by Hank...ugh!

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:42 pm EST

Need to score on this PP!

Vic


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:39 pm EST

We had no puck luck in Period 1 and now we just look tired and not sharp. Add in the Stepan injury and were in trouble. Need something to get us back in it and get some adrenaline flowing again.

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:39 pm EST

Complete non compete......You knew it had to end but by the Islanders????

rngrsans


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:39 pm EST

Trade Everybody.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:29 pm EST

Pretty much the game I feared we would see when I posted about it yesterday. The SJ game was the signal that the streak was ending. Couple that with this being the first game back after a successful road trip. All the signs were there. Hopefully they still pull this out. Still only down by 1.

Vic


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:08 pm EST

We need some face-off help!

rngrsans


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:50 pm EST

Stepan's knee buckleed at the 13:00 min. mark. He looked to be in pain and not skating well after that. Hope it is only a tweek. Great game so far.

NYStranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:48 pm EST

I think Brassard's shot hit 2 posts? Thats what it looked like in msg?

hipcheck


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:40 pm EST

4 posts on 3 shots

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:38 pm EST

MILLER is throwing some heavy hits out there. KREIDER looks like he ready to go off on somebody.

hipcheck


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:33 pm EST

This is an absolutely great, fun game so far. A New York brand of hockey being played. Love it!!

hipcheck


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:30 pm EST

Eff the fish sticks, it's obvious who the better team is. We will come out on top of this one.

nyfans


Tue Jan 13 2015 7:18 pm EST

Rangers seem to have heavy legs so far....hopefully they'll loosen up and start flying.

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 6:39 pm EST

I think AV playing to the flexibility those six offer, their versatility. I like Hags/Hayes/Stempniak, Miller/Moore/Fast. Late in the game? I understand Hags/Moore/Stemp, Miller/Hayes/Fast.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 6:32 pm EST

STEVIE - I guess you can go many ways with those bottom six forwards...How I see it for now is that MOORE and his linemates (whoever they may be) will get the most time in close games..And the two best wingers are Hags and Stemp..That was the line AV used at the end of the Shark game...Well see

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 6:07 pm EST

it would be nice if veenyo addressed it for right now....Carl Hagelin-Kevin Hayes-Jesper Fast J.T. Miller-Dominic Moore-Lee Stempniak, ....why not miller hayes stempi, hagelin moore fast...?.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 5:45 pm EST

Hospo: Agreed Hayes is a problem. It will be interesting to see how Sather addresses it. If he does...

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 4:29 pm EST

Wild Sather has been doing from ' now on'. they have made the playoffs for awhile, and gotten past the 1st round. they have one more hill to climb, and need to go for it this year. Msl and Boyle aren't getting younger, and are not easily replaced. ....HOSPO I agree Hayes can continue to develop in July along with the other kids. While they drink from The Cup......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 4:25 pm EST

BULIN won a Cup and two Olympic Golds. BRYZ has a Cup and an Olympic Bronze. NABOKOV took the Sharks to the WCF twice and was barred from representing Russia for most international play because he represented Khazakstan when he was 19. The RF school of goalie appraisal could use some fine tuning.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 4:18 pm EST

RF if your argument is that no other great goaltender has been on exactly four teams in exactly six seasons, you may be right but thats a pretty silly argument and one that Im not interested in. MILLER has been on THREE teams in TWO seasons, you can make the case that is worse than FOUR in SIX. HALAK played for Montreal for FOUR seasons and the Blues for another FOUR. You're trying to paint a picture with skewed numbers, but anyone who has actually watched Halak (as we'll all get the chance tonight) would say its just not accurate.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 4:03 pm EST

OLA - I see what you are saying....And I am open to a number of solutions....But, just a few things, I am not a fan of the current KEVIN HAYES outside of the offensive zone..And I don't worry one iota about his development..It could begin again in July!...I also don't see a kid that has been consistently at around 33% (home and road) getting any better THIS YEAR especially when the coach will be afraid to use him in tight games and the games get tighter the rest of the way...My current stance is that the two-way improvement at C and especially FO ability will have to come by removing HAYES (at least, strategically) from FOs and/or C...Be it MILLER, Stemp or external options of various degree...That remains to be seen

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:52 pm EST

Not sure how valid your examples are. Miller is on his 3rd team, but only after spending the bulk of his career on one team. Belfour played for 3 teams in 14 years (and that includes a single stop in SJ for 13 games). Hasek, after Chicago traded him away, played for 3 teams for 18 years. Barrasso 2 teams for 15 years. Vernon, 13 teams in 13 years. Yeah, Vernon and Belfour bounced around a little at the end, but that;s when they were aging and not the same, not like Halak, who's in the prime of his career age wise. And of those 3 Russian goalies, none I consider elite. Bulin did win a cup but did nothing after that. I'd be more inclined to compare Halak to those 3...

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:38 pm EST

get=vet

Ola


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:37 pm EST

I agree with Hospo that we should go for it, but I am not sure if upgrading Hayes is the best way. To put it like this, if we get a get we know what we get. But, I am sceptical that will be enough if you get what I mean. I think we will need both Hayes and Miller, maybe even Fast, or 2-3, to really step up for us down the road and play like good top 2 lineers. A kid has potential to do that, whilst a vet can get by without screwing up. I doubt the later is enough. I also like the lines, Hags-Moore-Stempniak, Miller-Hayes-Fast. One line that can be trusted at all times and one line that has potential to find it way and score goals. Like the 70s line for LA. I also agree with RF4L that u can't loose more than 52-55% of the FOs in hockey in the long run. But I dont know, can't Hayes improve? The reason for why Miller aren't taking them is easy -- we want Hayes to get the practise... There is a lot of "practise time" left until it matters. However, getting a 4th line expert won't help since Dom Moore is real good on FOs, that's only a lateral move. Step should pick it up too.

Ola


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:30 pm EST

speaking of goalies on the move, Bernier must be praying that his third is around the corner!

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:25 pm EST

VANBIESBROUK another great goalie always on the move. No one would deny him his legacy, though. I hope.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:24 pm EST

RF- well, RYAN MILLER, for starters. HASEK is another. BELFOUR. VERNON. BARRASSO. BRYZGALOV. NABOKOV. KHABIBULIN. Great goaltenders are a valuable commodity. Positionally, they are easily substitutable. Not everyone is as lucky as us to draft great generational goaltenders that stay with us their entire careers. Washington was a rental, was their best goalie by every measurable stat. Obviously. Montreal had controversy and went with PRICE. Islanders plucked best goalie off the market, traded the pick that became our own promising SHESTERKIN for his rights. Don't worry, you'll catch up on Halak. Hopefully not tonight.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 3:14 pm EST

TradeStar28 - I can only assume your "Mcilrath is a terrible fighter" was meant to be funny. I'm sure you are not ignorant enough about hockey fighting to believe what you wrote. .... First Gallant may not be as big as Mac but he is one of the top 3 AHL fighters over the last several years. Of the 3 fight they had Mac fought him to a draw in 2 of them or possibly even beat him in one of those. Even in their first fight that many considered a loss for Mac was very close. In that fight Mac had just come back from being out a very long time with a knee injury and was very rusty. However, I do agree with you on wishing he would stop the sweetheart after the fight.

GaryRanger


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:37 pm EST

Who is 'much' in the 'much of the hockey community already realizes his accomplishments? Montreal traded him. St Louis traded him. Washington didn't resign him. Now he's an Islander, making them his 4 team in 6 years. What other elite goaltendings get bounced around like that? Let's see...how about NONE!

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:33 pm EST

RF, I don't know I am over-rating anybody. I called the AHL lifers just that. But usually a guy is having a big year, he'd get a look. Not happening I don't think, and I didn't even mention DuClair, whom everyone knows is near or at the top of the prospect heap, because he was just with the team two weeks ago. And still, there's nowhere for him to play. It fills up fast (no pun) if all we're really talking about is 6 NHL wingers for the top 3 lines, assuming some mix of retreads or whatever word youd like to use for 4th liners which are usually versatile vets. If your point is we shouldn't deal prospects for help now I cant even respond, though Im pretty sure you've voiced opinions to the contrary, and it depends on the deal; same as me. But this year especially I am not concerned in the least about shipping out a few kids. We can definitely afford it imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:31 pm EST

Halak played in all but one game for the 2009-10 Canadiens that made it to the ECF

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:27 pm EST

But Im sure Halak will breathe a sigh of relief once he's proven himself to you. Much of the hockey community already realizes his accomplishments.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:26 pm EST

Miller's non-impact for the Blues should be enough to impeach the reasoning behind trading for him

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:23 pm EST

Mess: I'm not sold on Halak yet. Other than an impressive PO run with the Canadiens I haven't seen consistency out of him. There's a reason the Blues went for Miller - it's because of Halak's (and Elliot's) inconsistency. This is an excellent opportunity for Halak to firmly put his name in the eyes of hockey insiders where you have it: Backstop the Islanders to a PO berth and some series wins.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 2:20 pm EST

RR: You are, I think, over-rating some of those players. Haggerty, signed for his goal scoring prowess, has a measily 6 goals in 37 AHL games. That's lousy and translate to like no goals at the NHL level. I am not writing him off - he's a young collegiate UFA and it's first year of pro. I suspect he's way down the list of possible recalls at this point. And you're really stretching when you name Mueller and Bourque - both are AHL lifers from where I sit. They are valuable players at that level because icing a team that never wins is not good for the overall development atmosphere for those guys who remain prospects. Nope, I will reiterate: I suspect currently, there's nothing down there the Rangers are itching to recall for a looksee. From what I can discern the top prize at this point is Skapski. Buchnevich is a wild card for me - he sure looks to have some top end skills, but hardly overwhelmed against his peers in the WJC. He's full of questions. Can he manage on the smaller ice? Can he manage in the more skilled NHL? Does he even want to come over? Will he balk at being farmed out? Duclair I'd say is the organization's top prospect but until he figures out his non-puck play, he's AHL bound.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:44 pm EST

Bob- fair. 'stop' tanking, as opposed to 'not' tanking

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:28 pm EST

I always felt that way too, you can never have enough, but I think we're just about full now, RF. AV said Haggerty was the closest guy to making the team out of camp, was the toughest cut. 40 games in he hasn't gotten a sniff. I think it's because Fast & Miller grabbed the last two spots that will be available for some time. A guy like Buchnevich isn't even going to come over if he doesn't have a realistic shot at making the team. Already I picked up some rumblings about a top prospect who might go back to Europe because there's no clear path . that's the thing with prospects, they want to have careers. The franchise has never been in this position in my lifetime but IMO we're right there now. A guy like Chris Bourque, admittedly an older signing, but he's leading Hartford by a good margin in scoring, but we'll never see him. His brother is a dynamite energy guy/PKer who scored 21 goals last year, hes not getting a look either unless someone gets hurt. Mueller came up and was good,real good a few games.he's likely never to be heard from. Nash, Zuc, Kreider & Hagelin are four guys among the top 6 wings all under 30. JT & Fast are two more kids, they've both played well enough to be above 4th line deployment. And as far as drafting, no this team won't have the drafting position to have an nhl-ready top 6 forward in all likelihood. But they could easily go for a depth player, a big banger for instance, who is ready to be a walk-on.so I think its time for a little housekeeping. Then prospects are here to serve the team, not the other way around.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:25 pm EST

You mean after you already tanked resulting in players like Okposo and Tavares?

Bob


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:24 pm EST

Halak, Leddy and Boychuk also not the biggest names available that year. Snow could have made the same mistake as Armstrong, gone for Miller, maybe also Niskanen, Orpick who haven't been as big for Washington as Leddy Boychuk have been for the Islanders. Speaking of streaky, Miller in Vancouver.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:20 pm EST

Islanders also a pretty feel good story and a lesson to GMs and fans everywhere. If you decide you don't want to tank, you can add a good goaltender and a good first pair of defenders, go from bottom five to top five in the league practically overnight.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:17 pm EST

RF- that was his MO in Montreal (along with Price's) but not in St. Louis and not with the Islanders. The last three seasons Halak was in St. Louis, they finished 3rd, 6th and 4th overall in league standings. You don't do that by sucking for stretches. In that same stretch Halak also backstopped an aging Slovak national team to a very unexpected Olympic 4th place, their highest placement in Olympic hockey history. Now the Islanders have gone from 26th to 5th in league standings after adding (albeit also Boychuk and Leddy) Halak. Its no coincidence. Halak is one of the elite goaltenders in the league. Dealing him for the hot name Miller exposed Armstrong as a GM very much inferior to his predecessor JD.

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:40 pm EST

Ranger47: Agreed that it would be fabulous to get to Halak early on. He's a strange goalie - capable of stringing a series of unbelievable games together, then suck for a few. It's his MO and the biggest reason, I suspect, the Blues elected to get rid of him. That pattern is not how you advance deep in the POs. If he can figure out how to reduce/eliminate those flat stretches, the Islanders will be dangerous come PO time.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:38 pm EST

IMO, you can never have enough guys. And of those picks coming in June, it's reasonable to project that none will be pushing for a roster spot for at least 2 years and it may take 4 to 5 to see even 1 make it. In addition, I see none imminent, save for perhaps Duclair, but unless he figures out how to play without the puck, he'll be in Hartford next fall. I don't see anyone else pressing for a spot on the Rangers roster.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:32 pm EST

RF4L: I actually think we are lucky that tonight's game is against the Isles since any other opponent might lead to a slow start after a road trip. But, I think the Rangers will realize the important for a high energy start against a heated rival who is ahead of them and on the rise. I think the bigger concern will be how the handle the Isles forecheck in their D zone coupled with how well Halak plays. I think it's important we score early and often to get into his head for future games. Might even send him reeling against the Isles next opponents.

Ranger47


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:30 pm EST

Umm... The draft? And if we're missing a few picks, and I know we are missing the no.1, I don't care. We've still got too many guys.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:25 pm EST

RR: Who are the '8 more prospects'?

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:22 pm EST

Question tonight will be do Rangers finish their chances? Doesn't matter what Isles do. Isles will try to slow them down like everybody does, they won't be able to. But is it a game where we get boxed out of the slot and only launch wristers from outside? You know the one....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:19 pm EST

I like that too, Wild, from Elway. From now on.Was about to say after having read through yet another foray into the pre/post 94 deals(most of which I was against), we are not into a similar situation.its not all or nothing. We can very easily make a significant trade, or two, and not damage our chances going forward. Its why I make fun of 'asset managers'. That game went on for years & years, because we had nothing, no one. barret Heisten. . But now, we've actually reached a point there is no room. Is McIlrath any closer to cracking this squad next year, even if he plays great? Nope. I shit sure wouldn't move Klein to make room. And what about Skjei? Nowhere for him either unless you move Moore, a 23-yr old who's done nothing to deserve it. Duke & Buchnevich? As discussed, with MSL returning theyre skill guys who'd be lucky to fight for one 3rd line spot. We've got a dynamite backup goalie who's never going to see the light of day and would only sign for one year cause he's leaving. It's time to do some house cleaning. We've got 8 more prospects coming in a few months, and that's if we don't sign another UFA in the younger, Zuc-Hayes mold. And idk who hits the market as far as big-time unrestricteds go.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:18 pm EST

Ranger47: Could be, although I'd argue the biggest pressure facing the Rangers is not coming out flat for this game.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:16 pm EST

For those who like him, Zach Kassian is apparently on the trading block. Not sure where he fits on the Rangers - likely the 4th line. Is he good enough to play 10 to 15 minutes a night, however? Who does he replace?

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:11 pm EST

RF4L: Good question. I actually think the pressure is more on the Rangers to win tonight's game. It's at home. They trail the Isles in the standings and though they are in the POs at this point in time all it would take is a minor losing streak to be fighting for a PO spot. The Isles are young and have overachieved thus far to exceed expectations. A loss tonight would not be devastating to them while a win would retain their "elite status" this far in the season. Should be a really interesting/good game tonight. LGR!

Ranger47


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:02 pm EST

RF4L - Another great game to look forward to...Expect the Isles to try and skate and bang to open it up for their skill players while the Rangers will rely more on quickness and movement as they always do (but almost always playing the man if not with malice)....Expect it to get amped up a bit, but stay clean unless somebody from either team does something stupid....Bring it on..

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:02 pm EST

MacTavish played three more seasons after the cup. Just not for us

Messier11


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:48 am EST

mf: Surely their record means they have more than a couple of good skaters and the rest hit. In fact, I'm certain that's not the case. If that's how the Rangers feel, they are about to be overwhelmed. Their goaltending is solid, they have a decent top 4 and a decent top 6. What I don't know is how good their bottom players are (bottom pairing on the backline and forwards 7 thru 12). On paper the Rangers are superior in net and on defense. Do they have better depth on the forward lines? I'd say yes. With the play of Nash, they can boost they match the Islanders and John Tavares. I'd also say with Stepan and Brassard they get the edge at center, too. All that said, it looks to me like there isn't a whole bunch to separate these 2 clubs. The game should be interesting and like I said earlier, it's more of a game to indicate how real the Islanders as opposed to the Rangers (and therefore, there's more pressure to play well on the Islanders).

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:35 am EST

There has been discussion about weather to go for it and to hell with next year, or worry about the future and to not give up to much for cup run this year. I am going to steal from John Elway here in Denver. He said of the Broncos, he is not making moves "to win now", he is doing things "to win from now on." I like that, no love that, and thats what I want Sather to do. Make moves signings and anything else to win FROM NOW ON. Not this year, not next year, but this year and every year moving forward. I know that is tough to do. But if you have to trade a pick and 5 mid level guys to get one 3rd line guy...you do that if it means you keep one per level guy for the next few years. (i don't mean a first or second rounder by the way) so the arguments from both sides should meet in the middle and look t the trade market in a way of win now and tomorrow.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 13 2015 10:29 am EST

Isles have a couple of good skaters and a bunch of guys that like to bang the body. Hopefully we come out with an overall better effort and take the two points.

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:50 am EST

Vic: Totally concur that those deals post 94 were horrendous. It was obvious to all, save for Smith and his bosses, that the Rangers were done and needed to rebuild. It's why I have so little patience with Sather - we watched Neil Smith make a series of inexplicable blunders after winning the cup due to being unable to see the obvious. Sather's moves more often than not were equally ill-timed and reeked of someone over-estimating what he actually had/has. That's one big reason why I was opposed to the MSL deal. Right now, however, I'm being proven wrong.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:43 am EST

stevie: Unless Glass dresses, likely be no fights on the ice! KK, however, could drop them if something stupid is initiated by the Isle-holes.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:42 am EST

RF4L: I understand what you are saying regarding the 94 Cup and I know most people tend to agree with you. Yes it is all conjecture including those who say the Rangers wouldn't have won the Cup that year (and possibly other years) had those trades not been made. Nobody knows what would have happened. In hindsight the trades after the 94 Cup are considered horrible because the Rangers didn't win a Cup after those deals were made. Ask yourself this. If the Rangers hadn't won the Cup in 94 how would you feel about the trading away of WEIGHT, AMONTE, GARTNER and MARCHANT (and others including PATRICK and TURCOTTE)? I know you well enough to know that you would be pretty darn upset at the thought of all of those players being dealt for the post 94 return of TIKANEN, NOONAN, MATTEAU, KYPREOS and BARRY RICHTER.

Vic


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:33 am EST

rf4l ticket prices for tonight are higher than the playoff games against the playpens.....79 playoffs is when the real rivalry got wind in its sails......probably be some fights in the stands tonight.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:26 am EST

What's everyone's feeling about tonight's game? I think the pressure is more on the Islanders than the Rangers because it's the Islanders who need to win this game to show that their record and position in the standings are real. This is different from the situation in the past several years. How will the Islanders respond?

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:19 am EST

Vic: We've discussed this numerous times - I really don't get lamenting the trades done up to winning the 94 cup. Saying that the Rangers would have won if some/all weren't done is pure conjecture. What is pure fact is that those trades were done and the cup was won. I don't have 1 regret over what was done because of that.

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 9:15 am EST

Vic: Fair enough - I had the same displeasure with the trade and while I knew a few were on my side, I couldn't remember who. I think the other person against the trade was Nick. I was lambasted on here for my opposition to it. In hindsight, my feelings on have softened somewhat because the team did go to the finals and sure looks right now like they have a chance to be a dangerous PO team this spring. It's impossible to say how much impact he's having, although I do concur that without his tragic death of his mother last year, it's reasonable to suggest Pittsburgh would have eliminated the Rangers. And don't discount the impact of Price being taken out of the series by Kreider - it's also reasonable to suggest if that hadn't occurred, Montreal would have won (it's akin to the Rangers chances dropping if the King couldn't play). All that said, my biggest beef with the trade was the fact that it included their first rounder in the Connor McDavid draft and that trade was made without knowing where they were selecting (in other words, they were risking giving Tampa the first pick overall). At least that appears to be a non-issue now....

RF4L


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:56 am EST

That's funny Tradestar....Wrath fought twice in the NHL against very good opponents and did well both times. In fact, the Rangers gave him the Broadway Hat after the game where he fought Peluso. I guess they don't think he sucks at fighting and actually respect him. Sucks at fighting? LOL!

JFC31


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:37 am EST

R47 and IYLA: I tread lightly around the arguments concerning the 94 trades. The mere mention of any questions regarding those trades causes Ranger fans' heads to explode. Most argue that it was the trades after the 94 season that were the problem. My belief has always been that those trades were a mistake but I take it back to the previous year as well when WEIGHT was moved. Had the Rangers kept WEIGHT, AMONTE, GARTNER and MARCHANT they not only could have won the Cup in 94, but could have been a Cup winner in subsequent seasons as well. We will never know. Most Ranger fans respond that without those trades the Rangers couldn't have squeaked by the Devils and Canucks in 7 games. My counter is always that had those trades not happened maybe the Rangers win those series in 5. You can't prove it either way. The Rangers went for it all and made all of those deals......and they won the Cup. That makes those deals defensible. However, those deals absolutely turned their window from being a 5 year window (or more) to a 1 or 2 year window. LARMER, ANDERSON and McTAVISH all retired. In an effort to extend the window the Rangers moved ZUBOV and NEDVED for SAMUELSON and that waste of flesh ROBITAILLE. The final nail in the coffin for the window was the deal that brought in McSORLEY, KURRI and CHURLA for NORSTROM, FERRARO and LAPERRIERE. People still say it was all worth it because the Rangers won a Cup. Maybe. But to me the near 20 years of futility and mediocrity that followed were more painful then the joy of the Cup win. After all, I was 27 when the Rangers won the Cup and had been a fan since I was a kid. I've "suffered" as a Rangers fan far more since the Cup win then I did before it.

Vic


Tue Jan 13 2015 8:14 am EST

RF4L: Just replying to your question yesterday. No, I didn't like the MSL trade last year. Yes, I was one of the most vocal people here that CALLY needed to be traded because I didn't think it was wise to resign him for any duration with a salary anywhere over $4M per year. That said I wanted CALLY moved for either a young player, prospects or picks. The last thing I wanted to see was the Rangers trade him for a guy at the end of his career and trade multiple #1 picks away at the same time. I was very vocal that I hated the trade then, and I still do. Yes they get a #2 back now but the entire philosophy was wrong IMHO. There was absolutely no indication that the Rangers were capable of going deep in the playoffs last year. And, as I said yesterday the struggled to win in 7 games against a shitty Flyer team and were well on their way to being eliminated by the Pens when MSL's Mom died. Who here beleives that SATHER made the deal for MSL because he knew his Mom was going to die and it would be the event that galvanizes the team? In evaluating that trade I said that it only is defensible if the Rangers win the Cup last year or this year. Well, it didn't happen last year and really without the tragic death of MSL's Mom the Rangers would have been eliminated early and MSL would not have been a factor. At the time of his Mom's death the Rangers had played 10 playoff games. MSL had 1 goal and 4 assists and had not registered a point in his previous 5 games. I don't dislike MSL. In fact, I have always liked him as a player. My problem with the trade is that it is philosophically 100% opposite of the way teams should be run IMO. NHL teams still don't understand how teams need to be built and structured in a salary cap environment. Every other league seems to get it. The most critical assets that a team has are draft picks, especially high ones. As players age and get more expensive they need to be moved for as much youth, prospects and picks as you can get. You don't give large, long term contracts to players that are 30 and older. These and other "general" rules are the basics that you need to structure your thinking around. NHL teams still don't get it.

Vic


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:41 am EST

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/sports/hockey/rangers-and-islanders-having-rare-mutual-success.html?ref=hockey

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 1:20 am EST

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-rangers/a/As-IslandersRangers-games-go-this-is-a-big-one-0-11001210

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:40 am EST

Mcilrath is a terrible fighter.....This schmuck Gallant on bridgeport has beaten him 3x now (2012, 2013, and 2015)......Then Big Mac truck likes to pat the opponent after the fight as i sign of respect? Give me a break.....he should take his skate off and go for the opponents jugular........We drafted a big puss in this guy....hope he never sees the big team and gets traded for a used puck bag.....Go work on your fighting skills and learn how to dodge a fuggin punch

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:36 am EST

Moof or was it " what's my line"...?.... Before they trade Hayes I would think j dinty Moore , miller , fast, are closer possibilities ...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:33 am EST

Richards doesnt excite me in the least. La can only pick up so much of yhat burden. We need depth but idk whats so great about Richards. I like Hayes more & more. And id trade him for Handzel so fast itd set a world record.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:29 am EST

That would be 5 yrs after this season @ $5.75 mill p/y..... Then we can have a 1A, 1B, & 1C line centers

mf


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:15 am EST

BOB/RABID - yeah, I would like STOLL, but i would think the Kings would want to trade RICHARDS first..They are very unhappy with him and have decreased his ice time..Why I want nothing to do with him and his 5 years remaining on his contract....Unlike most on here, but it would have to be for somebody good, I have no problem giving up Hayes.......

Hospo


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:10 am EST

Me too MF. But u start waving snipers under my nose.....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Jan 13 2015 12:05 am EST

I thought we are in the fine tuning phase......

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:46 pm EST

moof.... want to bring back Cullen?....not bill Cullen...who do you trust?......password.....?......door 3 no 2 no 1......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:46 pm EST

I always want a righty sniper left side, so I'd be stupid not to want Kessel (if there were a reasonable deal). He might be the best of them. But I don't want Kessel. Especially if he's not playing hard all the time. He'd come back to his locker and find Nash & McDonagh waiting for him lol. Not how we do things....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:42 pm EST

Hanzel ;) and Yandle. To euros who will pump you up! Actually, pretty sure Yandle is Canadian but that'd take the fun out of it.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:41 pm EST

Hanzel ;) and Yandle. To euros who will pump you up! Actually, pretty sure Yandle is Canadian but that'd take the fun out of it.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:38 pm EST

Leafs need to cut Salary, Phaneuf to Edmonton?

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:37 pm EST

It's not necessarily a "who," but if you like you can trade for the box Jay is bringing down the aisle...... what's it gonna be?

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:36 pm EST

could really be anyone on that roster. Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Franson, Bozak….rumors have been on leafs like stink on a monkey

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:35 pm EST

Kings wont trade Stoll while defending a Cup, I wouldn't think. Its probably Richards. Fate says I must have an old Richards on my team.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:34 pm EST

given background with Sather and Shanahan, only a matter of time before they started talking trade

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:33 pm EST

the google cache capgeek pages are drying up. I should have printed them all out while they were up.

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:32 pm EST

moof ....let's make a deal .....who's behind door #2?.......

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:26 pm EST

Geez, trade with the newest enemy? ... OK, Stoll fills a need, big strong guy, can win a FO & a RHS to boot... He's an UFA at the end of this season and carries a Cap Hit of $3.25mill..... I would not lose Hayes for this guy.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2184

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:25 pm EST

We suposedly were looking at Richards earlier. Think Leafs were other team trying to sign Glass. Really hard to guess what could be in the works. Yeah Bob, I liked all of LAs big mean depth guys, King, Lewis & Clifford. Collectively they were a load to handle.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:18 pm EST

HOSPO--I hear the Kings would much rather move Richards than Stoll. I agree that Stoll would be a great add. I just don't want to surrender Hayes for him.

Bob


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:15 pm EST

Guy I would want from the KINGS is STOLL at C....Fills a Ranger need..Don't know if we have a LW to give them..Maybe Stemp who can play anywhere plus a little something else?

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:06 pm EST

I am fine with Clifford if it makes Glass irrelevant. I have always liked Clifford's game. They lost Pearson for an extended period with a broken leg that needs surgery. They could be looking to get a forward, not trade one. What about Nolan Jr? He is big and has some skill. Think John Moore is on the block?

Bob


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:00 pm EST

Clifford's another guy I wouldnt mind seeing here. Had concussion problems but was a beast two years ago in POs.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:52 pm EST

Cant see a big deal for a LW. JVR is big & manages to get his numbers but never notice him when I watch Leafs, which is infrequent. Lupol is a guy I like for depth. Righty LW that scores, good energy. When healthy. Anyway its Kehoe & Riseborough so must be something semi-serious.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:44 pm EST

Hey guys I just checked the link and the Orange donation box on the upper side of the page seems to be working. Maybe I typed the link wrong? Www.crowdrise.com/dopeyforkmf try that. If interested and it doesn't work please email me. Ccropanese@kissimmee.org

sportyplaya1188


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:34 pm EST

RR-let the speculation begin. I nominate JVR for Rangerhood.

Bob


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:32 pm EST

Rangers have two scouts @ Leafs-Kings game.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:16 pm EST

Philthy 7 - TBL 3 final

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 8:22 pm EST

The NHL is really odd now - Flyers crushing the Bolts 6 to 1 with 1/2 the game remaining to be played...

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 8:21 pm EST

sport: The links aren't working properly - check out the link after you make a pledge...

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 8:01 pm EST

ilya: Yes, I share your viewpoint that we might have had an easier road to the cup in '94 with Gartner and Amonte's scoring touches. We Definitely had a better chance to repeat (or create a dynasty) had we kept them.

Ranger47


Mon Jan 12 2015 7:21 pm EST

sportyplaya1188: Thank you for your generosity and sharing....

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 7:13 pm EST

Hey everyone!!! Hope you all are doing well and are enjoying the way we have been playing right now. Sorry I have not been posting much, I was busy finishing up graduate school and enjoying the holidays. I am not sure if this is the right wall to be posting this on and if not, please let me know, but this past weekend I ran in the Walt Disney World Marathon Weekend Dopey Challenge which consisted of 4 races over 4 days - a 5k, a 10k, a 1/2 marathon, and a full marathon - which totaled 48.6 miles. I was blessed enough to have mine and my girlfriend's race admission fees covered by the event sponsor and we decided that in turn we would run the event to benefit a charity. I decided that the charity that I wanted to run for would be The Katie Moore Foundation which works to bring awareness and funding for the fight against rare cancers. As you all know, this is the foundation started by Dominic Moore and whether you love him or hate him, the charity has been responsible for the funding of some great research and helping to improve the lives of those suffering from rare forms of cancer. I am not sure if anyone on here is interested, but I am hoping that if you are, please take the time to read my fundraising page and if you have the means to do so, please donate!!! Remember, no amount is too little and rare cancers affect thousands upon thousands of individuals each year! www.crowdrise.com/dopeyforkmf

sportyplaya1188


Mon Jan 12 2015 5:49 pm EST

True Hospo. thats the point about improving the team too. Playoff games are oh so close, everything is magnified. If you have some holes, or MIGHT have weaknesses, youd best get busy addressing them. A kid like Hayes does look fine - now. But no one can say in April, through you'd hope he'd be even better,he'll also be at the end of note longest & toughest year he's had. So some insurance (for Hayes & Moore) is needed at minimum. If they make a bigger move, fine. But if not, at atleast get Lindberg or Mueller a few games, unless theyd move JT as a first option. Think you have to look at the schedule a bit different after this streak. Barring catastrophe, they're a playoff lock if they just stay around .500. So they won't play a real meaningful game for months. so start getting ready.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 5:38 pm EST

"Boyle, by the way, said he is still having trouble breathing after breaking his nose - possibly twice on separate hits - in Saturday’s 3-1 win at San Jose. Boyle was bleeding profusely after getting smacked both times. “It’s pretty stuffed, it’s tough to breathe,” Boyle said "

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 5:18 pm EST

I don't think the lousy FO stats is making a mountain out of a molehill. I think it could actually result in a PO series loss - losing 60+ % of your draws game in and game out is not something a championship hockey team does.

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 5:05 pm EST

Derek Wasiak @dwazWGBB @rangersreport I know this much from my research…..first time both teams have more than 50pts before midseason. #wazfact It should be a good ...isles 57 points nyr 52 but have played 3 less games .....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 5:01 pm EST

Dan Rosen &#10004; @drosennhl What's more remarkable is neither the Pens nor Isles have slumped. Since Dec. 8, NYI 9-5-1; PIT 7-4-4. NYR are 13-1-0, Caps are 10-1-4.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:58 pm EST

I can only hope veenyo and sather will address getting better at center/face-offs by the deadline. I'm pretty sure they are aware of the situation. Too bad Lombardi didn't pan out, and ran away. I liked Mueller when he was here.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:48 pm EST

STEVIE - Either way, MILLER has to start taking more than 2-3 FOs a game to see if he can be an internal solution to a potentially big problem.................And some might say this FO thang/bottom 6 C is a mountain being made out of mole hill..Maybe....But.I don't see it that way not when there are going to be tough series against some very talented teams like MTL (with Price), BOs (getting better), TB (we can't beat them), PIT, maybe even the Isles..I like our chances against most, but want to improve them..You know some of those teams will be improving before the deadline..

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:38 pm EST

Hospo I don't think Miller will be put at center. I just hope he gets to take some face-offs for Hayes.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:37 pm EST

SLegs: Once the 1st & 2nd lines are set, I'm more concerned about the establishment of a shut down 4th line ahead of assembling a 3rd line with who's next..... Hags / Moore / and Stemp or Fast will give you that 4th line..... This achieves your point of Miller alongside Hayes..... Wildcard: I should have read through before repeating some of what you posted, no harm though.... cheers

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:35 pm EST

RABID - Agree on the more even rotation on games when we are safely up or trail..But if I'm expecting the Rangers to go far in the POs, there are gonna be alot tight games and alot of small leads that need protecting and that's where DOM MOORE will become one of the most crucial Rangers out there and when Hayes' more offensive game (and defensive errors) isn't of much help. MOORE could/will probably use a little help and you also don't want to wear him down before the POs...If the answer is going to be MILLER more at C, we should find out soon..

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:33 pm EST

Wild -- I didn't say that Wrath was slow or couldn't make a tape-to-tape pass...that is simply how AV defines his ideal defenseman....quick, good passer, moves the puck,through the neutral zone quickly....and he doesn't think that is the definition of McIlrath. I think Wrath should have been given more of an opportunity and think AV has blinders on to anything other than what HE envisions as ideal....and Wrath is not it.

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:30 pm EST

moof whatever way the bottom 2 lines get changed, veenyo needs a guy next to Hayes who can take some face-offs. the simplest is to exchange hayes and d moore. ....he only seemed to do that near the end of the game on Saturday , but I don't think Hayes was even put on in the foxwoods 5......not sure....I'm not a big fan of an all kids line. the opposition coach would try to get his top line out there when they are on.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:26 pm EST

Hospo, yeah, in close games that Moore line is every third shift; has to be to protect what have frequently been one-goal leads until late; THAT'S where I love what they've been doing, which is once they get the lead they absorb the push of the other team until they break thru for the nail in the coffin goal. And that's where I gotta give Dom Moore credit. With different linemates his line has withstood whatever has been thrown at them. When they get early leads like against Buffalo, I think the icetime would show more of a straight rotation where Hayes' line gets a bump.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:20 pm EST

Brady Skjei is a LHS, McIlrath is a RHS......... turn the clock back 35 yrs then pass the bong! ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:16 pm EST

Hospo, great minds think alike, and occasionally a not so great mind gets it right! ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:14 pm EST

SLEGS: regarding a "kids line" of Miller / Hayes / Fast; I like the fact that there is an RHS (Fast) on that line and love the potential energy of the 2 wings, I'm not overly concerned about their defensive play, but for some unsubstantiated reason, I'm worried they will commit some boneheaded rookie mistakes like take stupid penalties.... Just my Ranger Fan paranoia..... A line of HAGS / D Moore / Stempniak gives you a backup face-off guy in Stempniak, a RHS, Speed on the wings & a threat to score..... I think this is the way to go .......... along with the "acquisition Du Jour" being, "LAURI "THE KORPEDO" KORPIKOSKI, KORPIKOSKI!!!! :-)

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:07 pm EST

Ranger47, in 94 in jersey series I thiugh we had Trouble scoring goals thought we could've beat both Devils and Canucks easily with Gartner and Amonte, yes we won the cup but could've won more cups with those two, that's why I'm reluctant to move guys like Miller and Duk or Zuk unless of course we're getting back a scorer !!!!!

ilya


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:06 pm EST

RABID - He had no matchup problems because he was using MOORE as the 3rd center (and his line as third line) while Hayes and his line were more of a 4th line and got less time when protecting a lead..And probably becasue he saw the the defensive errors by Hayes...For some reason, Hayes does not get the same treatment and criticism from AV that JT does....And that's a good thing...........

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:06 pm EST

RF4L: AV likes to play D on their "proper" side so to speak. So Skjei will have little impact on McIlrath. Skjei is a lefty, McIlrath a righty. It also wouldn't be a shock if McIlrath gets cup from camp again. Unless you think he will win out against Giradi, Boyle or Klein. On the other side if Staal resigns he and McD would be the top two and there could be competition for that 3rd pair role...but AV would look for a lefty, and that's not McIlrath...but that doesn't mean AV thinks he is no good, just shoots the wrong way. So simply being sent down doesn't tell enough of the story for fans to really know what the org is thinking regarding a player like that.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 12 2015 4:05 pm EST

Let's have a little faith in the Coach & the Organization, they're doing some things right.... Miller / Hayes / Stempniak give you "3" guys that can take a FO, a RHS on that line, & an experienced Vet to babysit the 2 kids, HOWEVER, a line of Hags / DMoore / Fast does not afford you an experienced back-up FO guy unless Fast & or Hags have a trick or two we don't know about............ As far as our defense, John Moore, & McIlrath are concerned: it's obvious to me that they have been working John Moore intensively to groom him for the playoffs.. My opinion / leaning toward accepting this "as factual" is the "fact" that John Moore played in all 3 West Coast games on this trip & HUNWICK served as 7th D'man..... NOW, as for McIlrath: we don't have the roster room to carry him and Tanner Glass, so hopefully (and I can't substantiate this) they are grooming him TO THINK breakout pass and fast rush WITHOUT sacrificing his strengths of shut-down & stay at home kinda guy..... So I ask, "who is our Right-Side defensive replacement in case of injury? Hunwick? McIlrath? John Moore with Hunwick playing the Left Side? Other? .......... As for bringing in 1 depth guy and not disrupting the CHEMISTRY, I believe that at a least, we're moving T.GLASS and Stempniak & or Fast are going to ride The Pine..... That in and of itself will disrupt the chemistry.... AND since much mention has been made of picking at the carcass that is the Desert Yotes of Arizona, and with the intention of luring TD out of his reclusive hiding place, "LAURI "'THE KORPEDO"" KORPIKOSKI fits like a glove for the following reasons.... 1) FAST skater who adds to our strenths (this is huge IMO) 2) CAP HIT $2.5mill this year & two more... 3) This should prove advantageous when trying to get everyone signed next year 4) He can line up in all 3 forward positions (read: he can take a face-off) 5) He's 28.5 years old and in prime years of his carreer 6) defensively responsible 7) has 2nd line experience due to the weakness of Arizona's stellar depth 8) His cost should theoretically be less than Hanzal & Vermette 9) He would not be a rental to offset what we need to give up for him 10) TD is going to come out of hiding with #10 ....... ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:49 pm EST

AV talked about Hayes today, said he thought he fared well against west's big centers & had no matchups problems. But he also talked about what we said during the summer, or at least I did, and thats continuity of lines. That goes to Richards, and Id said any competent center was going to help our flow. Were allowing teams to catch their breath, because the 3rd line was a series of hideous turnovers, errant passes, and tripping over the blue line. So I definitely give Hayes that much; we're solid defensively and they're trying to make some things happen offensively. Our pace is better. Any faster in fact I think it might be unsafe for the players. And as far as the offense from the 3rd line, we see a bit more from Hagelin in that regard.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:47 pm EST

So where were all the am McIlrath experts the 5 previous games where he averaged 3 PIMs per game (1 game he had zero) along with 2 goals (back to back games) and an assist? He has 1 game when he has a fight that both guys also get an extra 2 (7 min) and two other penalties.(4 min) and suddenly he is talked about like a guy who spends half every game in the box. He is also suddenly the slowest guy in the world and can't make tape to tape passes. Interesting. Since his first pass out of the zone can be one of his strongest attributes...and in a foot race he would probably beat Giradi who AV loves but AV wouldn't use McIlrath due to his foot speed.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:46 pm EST

And further to that point, undoubtedly Skeji will turn pro this summer - depending on how he fares in camp, it's not unreasonable to envision him nudging McI further down the list if he hasn't already.

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:44 pm EST

stevie: Totally concur that if McI is still around next fall and is yet again cut by AV then, it's time he's shipped out regardless of what he might fetch (for his sake more than anything else).

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:43 pm EST

STEVIE - That would be my move if the rangers don't go outside for improvement......with one caveat..Fasth can stay on the 4th line with the other kids, I like Hags-Moore-Stemp better

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:41 pm EST

Ranger47 - I think the Rangers are one of the top three talented teams in the NHL ..And they have almost everything......Offense..defense..Goaltending..Chemistry..If there is any year to go for it, to make the team complete, this is the year....And the only wweakness I see is FOs/3rd C as it pertains to PO hockey where both are of maximum value in the POs.......I COULDN'T care less about next year .......but if I can get by with a "tweak" trade..Fine.......If I gotta pay a little more...fine also...This team will still be good the next two years..

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:13 pm EST

Hospo as some know, veenyo is a little stubborn and slow on some ideas......putting d moore with hagelin and fast in place of purple and green Hayes makes sense to me. That way Miller is on with Hayes to show what he can do on some face-offs. And he would have Stempi with them so it's not a all rookie line. ....someday....soon?.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 3:10 pm EST

Hospo: I get your point of view on the win the Cup now stance, but I'm not sure we are a player or two away from a reasonably sure Cup Finals again. And if we don;t make it after trading players like Hayes, Duke, whomever, we would be in cap hell next year losing core players for another run in 2015. I have to tip my hat to the late trades in '94 since we won the Cup that year. However, I'm not convinced we would not have won it more easily without the trades of Gartner, etc. It's why we dipped in '95. And, we were a goal away from losing to the Devils in '94 and our trades would have hurt us moving forward for another shot in '95. I tend to side with the others on the Wall who wan a "teark" trade which does not strip the team of a shot next year and the one after. JMHO and 2 cents.

Ranger47


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:58 pm EST

they should trade big mac if he has value, and can get back something the nyr need... a vet 3rd line center who can win face-offs and skate like the wind , and score 30 -30 ? .call the north pole......or maybe he follows in jt jitters footsteps.....who veenyo doesn't really seem to like, but has kept in the lineup, over his boy glass.....they should not wait beyond next season's cut.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:55 pm EST

Tomorrow night should be another great game to watch....Now back to beating a dead Hayes...Like I've said, it's MWO RIGHT NOW that the Rangers will eventually have to bring in a strong FO guy and likely replacing HAYES at center for this years POs because of his various inexpereinces/limitations...OTOH, everybody else is making good points, it's not unheard of that I am wrong :), and thus I remain open.....I started looking at the FO a little deeper and some on here are right that JT MILLER actually has not done a bad job in FO's...Take away the FIRST game of the season and he is at 33-36, basically the 2nd beast on the team...And take away that first game, Miller is almost 55% at home and 44% on the road (BTW HAYES is a horrific 33% at home and the road), the difference likely due to the matcups controlled by the other team..but still pretty....However, does or will AV have the faith in him down the line to take more FOs if the lines are shuffled to move MOORE up with, say, Hags and Stemp....Just trying to keep my eyes on the prize and look at all the angles while enjoying one ofthe best teams in the League,.

Hospo


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:48 pm EST

I noticed them on radio & tv Leo. Quite clearly;) fwiw think MCI has goals in two straight.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:46 pm EST

RF4L -- unfortunately, I think you are right....AV will not give McIlrath a fair shot unless he suddenly becomes a fleet-footed, tape-to-tape passer who can move the puck through the neutral zone with speed. AV seems to be set in his ways and his ideology....and when the team is performing for him the way it is and has, who's going to argue with him? Odds are McI gets sent packing in a trade, IMO.

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:38 pm EST

Just wanted to pop in to offer kudos to those Very Vocal Rangers Fans at the SoCal games - you could hear several "Henrik" and "Let's Go Rangers" chants throughout both games. At least the LA fans bothered to drown them out with chants of their own, unlike the Duck fans who just sat there like, What...Everrrr.

LeoS


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:34 pm EST

JCF: Yep all true. But I think my point is valid: It's looking quite obvious McI isn't an AV player and if that's true, McI will surely be aware of that and that's gotta be tough to deal with mentally, especially when you look at his job. Protect his teammates indeed and he does to his credit Meanwhile, when he does that in a Ranger jersey, he gets demoted. I mean, he must be asking himself, what does the organization really want of me?

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:27 pm EST

It was also the 3rd game in three nights for the Wolfpack and the game was LOADED with penalties on both sides....very chippy game.

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:24 pm EST

7 of those penalty minutes were for a fight plus 2 minutes for unsportsmanlike consduct because both he and Gallant took off their helmets before the fight. Do you really think AV is going to use his penalty minutes as a way of judging whether he wants to bring him up or not? Or is he going to listen to his pro scouts, staff and coaches from the Wolfpack? BTW, he was also a plus 2 in that game.

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:12 pm EST

lost to Bridgeport 4-3 and Bridgeport scored on the PP with McIlrath in the box.

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:09 pm EST

Gernander is supposed to implement AV's system so unless last nights rash of penalties was a special case, I'd say McIlrath isn't playing to expectations by spending a quarter of the game in the box.

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 2:01 pm EST

McIlrath vs. Gallant: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/127134

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 1:59 pm EST

We need to be careful about trying to draw broad conclusions about what goes on with one of our AHL players based on a weekend or a game....kinda ridiculous IMO. Anyone who knows the AHL knows that there are games where it's just a slugfest....and the AHL teams don't neccessarily discourage it either....it's just as much about entyertaining the crowd as anything in the AHL. If one team is out for blood, why wouldn't McIlrath have a bunch of penalties? I'd be more concerned if he DIDN'T. As for the fight, he fought Gerard Gallant, who is a former NHL er who knows how to fight and is big to boot. And if you watch the fight, it was a great one, with both guys landing solid punches. Did McIlrath "lose"....who cares? He went toe-to-toe and did a good job. Right now he plays for the Hartford Wolfpack and not the NY RAngers and his job is to do whatever is needed to help THE WOLFPACK....even if that means protecting his team mates, answering challenges from other heavyweights and dishing out hits. Here's an opinion that maybe holds a little more weight: “He has become more reliable by playing a more even games this season. He still has an edge to his game and he always keeps the opponent aware of his physical presence. He exudes character and is a great team player.” – Kevin Maxwell, Rangers Director of Professional Scouting. Some more objective news: "Dylan McIlrath tallied a goal in each of Hartford’s first two games over the past week, and recorded the game-winning goal in overtime on Jan. 9 vs. Syracuse. By recording a point in each of those two contests, McIlrath extended his point streak to three games (two goals, one assist over the span)"

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 1:57 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV says no concerns about Dan Girardi's availability tomorrow night vs. Isles. "Just a maintenance day." 45m Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV says Rangers-Isles tomorrow night at MSG will be "a New York classic. It should be a lot of fun for both teams."

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 1:35 pm EST

And McI lost the fight to boot. I haven't seen him play this year in Hartford but statistically, he's taken a step backwards. And losing fights, too? Like us, he's gotta be realizing that he's likely not going to get a shot as long as AV is the coach. That must be demoralizing given where he was drafted, the fact that no one else in organization can bring to the table what he's SUPPOSED to bring, and how hard he's worked with absolutely zero complaining/controversy. Plenty of what he's done on the ice not many are wiling to do anymore. That fighting edge he might be losing a bit. Can't blame him. If indeed, AV has no interest in using him, Sather should do the kid a favour and trade him. He's earned that right IMO.

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 1:18 pm EST

Interesting point, and in every battle one looks for their opponents weaknesses.... Currently, ours seem to be FO's, backup at center, backup for the RHS defensemen, & nastiness?

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 1:16 pm EST

If you think AV likes playing one man down all game, I don't know what to say

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 1:16 pm EST

Wild- not necessarily the fighting, though I do think AV isn't impressed by McIlrath's fighting. In that one game, McIlrath had fighting, roughing, elbowing and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. Not sure if how he made it out of the box during regulation

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 12:59 pm EST

On one hand youd have to be nuts to fiddle with this lineup in a significant way. But Cups arent won in Dec-Jan. Yes the healthiest team thats on top of their game frquently wins, but to get through 3 rounds just to play for the Cup usually means being healthy & sharp and being able to play all styles because every opponent is different. So every part of your game needs to be strong so yoyr strengths shine through. I dont see this team being strong enough in the circle, and I dont think theyre nasty enough. Think its an achilles heel teams will try to exploit., because how the hell else do you beat this team? As to what they might do, all depends on the specific deal. But Sather has PLENTY of chips to play without missing a beat. I dont believe there is such a thing as overkill. Theres still room for improvement.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Jan 12 2015 12:50 pm EST

Stevie: I think the lack of Miller on face-offs has to do with bringing him into the game more and more at a very slow pace in order to not have something set him back. In the past Miller has been brought up and tossed rightist the action in important roles, and has faltered. I give them credit for bringing him in much more cautiously. He did good with limited minutes, they gave him some more. Than he did good with that, and looked even better, so he got some PP time. He has continued to look good and I would bet we see a little more use out of him as the season rolls on. maybe later on they try him at center again for face-offs, and maybe he forces his way back to the middle, but I think he looks better at wing, so I hope he stays there.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 12 2015 12:47 pm EST

Mess:I find it amusing that you think AV looks fighting as something that should not ever happen. I assume that is why you made that comment about McIlrath. AV is OK with fighting, just not the sideshow aspect of the heavies going at it, just to go at it. He has said as much, the last McIlrath fight he acknowledged it, but the media types didn't blast it out there so it looked like AV didn't like fighting. But he actually said about the same number of words FOR what McIlrath did and AGAINST sideshow fighting. Being a rough and tumble tepe player will not make AV decide against him....for crying out loud, this wall is awash with the hatred of using Glass and how AV keeps trying to shoehorn him in the lineup. If he hated players like that so much Glass wouldn't ever see the ice. McIlrath is not on the team for one reason. He is not solid enough positionally yet to be trusted at the NHL level with regular minutes.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 12 2015 12:40 pm EST

McIlrath has lost it if he thinks that racking up 15+ PIM in a game is going to endear himself to AV

Messier11


Mon Jan 12 2015 12:18 pm EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/chris-bourque/statswatch-wolf-pack-lose-in-ot-oscar-lindberg-goal-dylan-mcilrath-fight/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:51 am EST

don't know

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 11:36 am EST

Slegs: Was that our very own, "Uncle Auntie" that won?"

mf


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:55 am EST

"Hands please, if you’d vote for sending Nash to the Blue Jackets for Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, a first-rounder and the equivalent of Tim Erixon. Hands please, if you believe general manager Glen Sather got it wrong." LOL! Sounds like he was writing to members of The Wall!

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:39 am EST

carp..."....Due to circumstances too complicated and beyond stupid to even attempt to explain, the Festivus book contest results originally announced were incorrect. The new winner is RabidNYR, who had the final score (4-2), the GWG (Rick Nash) and the third tiebreaker (Capitals shots, 32) on the nose. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/01/12/upon-further-review-mats-zuccarello-dez-bryant-the-book-contest/#sthash.vNSasdLT.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 10:19 am EST

Five Minute Major @travjax71 In light of the no-goal call in last night's #NYR game, the NHL is contemplating changing the crease. @rangersreport pic.twitter.com/Vz5K3q0AF8

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 9:33 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/12/why-rick-nash-deserves-to-win-the-hart-trophy/

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 9:21 am EST

the bottom line is veenyo wants to play a possession game. They can't have possession by losing faceoffs. They have to chase the puck to get it back . 2 goals were scored against san jose off winning the faceoffs. it's the nyr Achilles heel. it's not just Hayes, but not trying jt miller is a head scratcher. Maybe they have tried him in practice, and he's not winning them? Or veenyo might have an epiphany and try him and others.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 12 2015 9:02 am EST

Vic -- good thoughts....and I actually agree on just about everything you're saying. Hospo's idea of a Kid Line could solve a lot of problems if they: 1) had chemistry; 2) started out with 4th line expectation; and 3) were given the time to build that chemistry and comfort. But, if the Rangers continue on this path were they try to patchwork the bottom 6 in favor of solid 3rd & 4th lines, I think it's a mistake.

JFC31


Mon Jan 12 2015 8:29 am EST

Vic: What was your take on the MSL deal last year?? That's giving up the future for something right now, without a doubt.

RF4L


Mon Jan 12 2015 8:14 am EST

HOSPO and JFC: I get what you guys are saying. We've all been around here long enough to know where each other are coming from. In a general sense I agree with you that teams should be looking to address whatever shortcomings they have at the deadline. However, I definitely do not agree with an approach that puts going for it all this year over making sure the team is in a position to compete for a Cup for several years to come. What does that mean? That means I don't support any moves that weaken the future substantially especially when there is no guarantee of winning a Cup. I take more of a BILLY BEAN approach to the playoffs. All a GM can do is put a team on the field/ice that can compete for a Championship. What happens after the playoffs start is really a crapshoot. So much depends on so many factors that are out of a GM or team's control. The team's that win it all are generally the healthiest teams that are playing their best at the right time. Another huge factor ends up who you play and how you match up against them. You can build your team to prepare for one opponent and lose to another. But, you also need a lot of luck and bounces to go your way. The Rangers last year are a perfect example. Everything fell into place during the playoffs. But even with all that the Rangers were on their way to being bumped out in the 2nd round when MSL's Mom died. That changed everything and brought the team together in a way that took them further then they were otherwise going to. Think about that from the Pens and Canadian's perspective. All the moves they made to ramp up for the playoffs were meaningless. There is no way a GM can prepare for, or overcome those kind of things. At least half the league made moves to improve their team for the playoffs last year. Only one team can say those moves helped them win a Cup. The percentages are not in your favor. So, would having VERMETTE help this team? Yes , it would but at what cost? Not only now but in the future. VERMETTE would be a rental. Is he going to be resigned? Does resigning him make it impossible to resign STAAL, MZA, HAGS and others? What do you have to give up to get him? Again, if the Rangers were in Boston's position (an aging team trying to extend their window) I would be in favor of a move. But, the Rangers aren't in that position. Their core is young for the most part. Their window started last year really. To me it is more important to increase the length of that window right now because the odds of winning a Cup during a long window are much better then trying to go for broke in one particular year. Then, on top of all of that I consider the fact that the Rangers have just put together a streak like they haven't done in over 40 years. The accomplished something nobody in the NHL has been able to do in 18 years. This team is already as good as anyone right now. They can beat any team in the league in a series. Are you ready to risk that team chemistry for a move that can't possible improve your chances at a Cup win in a significant way? The answer to the team faceoff woes cannot come this year in the form of adding one player. But, the Rangers already have a guy on the roster that is an improvement over what HAYES does in the circle and that is MILLER. If MILLER is 10 percent better that is all they need. The Kid Line has to be put together and when it is I think you will see that lines' offensive output increase significantly. HAGS doesn't fit with HAYES. He isn't a finisher. MILLER is a much better fit there and is a better playmaker. I don't think the Rangers need to make any moves at the deadline based on what I see this team doing right now and the personnel that are here. Obviously you guys disagree and that is fine. It will be interesting to see what approach SATHER and AV take.

Vic


Sun Jan 11 2015 11:25 pm EST

Steve Zipay &#8207;@stevezipay 3m3 minutes ago #NYR rocking, enjoying run, longest streak since 1973. Lundqvist: "We feel like we can beat anybody." http://nwsdy.li/1y1KHJl

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 11:05 pm EST

Heatley has 2 points in 7 games with Norfolk. Sergei Samsonov is a scout with Carolina. Jonathan Cheechoo is lighting up the KHL with Minsk (40 pts in 39 games)

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 10:16 pm EST

Not sure I saw it mentioned here, but last night Hank became 1st in history to win 20 his first ten seasons. Im someone probably guilty of taking Hank for granted sometimes do gotta give props. Also itd mean we set or tied two all-time records in one game (the other being the west coast ass-kicking of a sweep) which id think is extremely rare. But forHank, hes got that whole other 'never won Cup with drafting team past 27 hex', sobif theres a guy to do it, he has now set a major goaltending mark. Im also just babbling.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 9:53 pm EST

Hospo -- I like the idea of a Kid Line if they're only pressure is to go out there, play hard, buzz around, hold the puck in the other teams end for as long as possible....4th line -type duty that could evolve into something special if they happen to develop chemistry...because we know they also have offensive talent. I just don't want to FOs and the goal scoring to be critical....I would want them to go out each shift and have fun with no pressure to score....because without that pressure, they all might relax and let their talent shine through....maybe Hayes starts winning more face offs with less pressure and they start scoring goals too. Could be fun to watch and become special. Still think having D. Moore at 3rd line C would not be the answer either but if a Kid Line develops, maybe they move up to 3rd line minutes.

JFC31


Sun Jan 11 2015 8:31 pm EST

Jt miller can take the faceoffs with Hayes and move to wing after the puck is in play , and glass can be put in for fast and or stempi every few games . Veenyo needs to take those 7 players and make the bottom two lines each game and in games. Eventually he will figure out who and how to use those players. And the roles those lines will have . The opponents will be as confused as he is. They will key on the top two lines giving the bottom six a chance to be sneaky heroes. Just roll 4 lines giving the top two more minutes than the bottom two. He's been doing it to some extent already. I'm just not sure why he hasn't use jt on any offensive or defensive faceoffs..... He can't be worse than Hayes on them.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 8:18 pm EST

MF back in the day there were rovers, who had no strict assigned role upfront. I think one of the Cook bros was one but dont quote me.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:45 pm EST

OR,,,,,, if JT Miller's competence keeps evolving, perhaps he takes over the center slot on a line with Hayes..... I've got a question, in Hockey, are there ever scenario's where a player will play center on the offensive side of the game and then switch to the wing for the defensive side of the game? .... For instance: let's say that JT Miller is better on offense playing center but better on defense playing the wing, "AND" Kevin Hayes is better at the Wing on Offense but more responsible and or a better defensive player at the center position while playing defense... Can we have those two interchange to our advantage without creating a catastrophe???

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:27 pm EST

There is one other option and people have talked about it on here....Face it, if the team doeswn't make a big deqal, Dominic Moore due to hius FO acumen is going to be the 3rd C, and likely with Hags and Stemp...Leaving a 4th line Kid-line.....Do WALLSTERS feel comfotable with this set up...? One thing is Dominc Moore will be run ragged replacing every single center at the FO dot at one time or another ...wshich means to me, maybe a smaller deal for a pure 4th line C/FO specialist to be there to either replace or alternate with Hayes (o Hayes plays W)......Now if we're just talking about the Rangers icing a good, exciting team, just leave at as is...You want to do everything you can to win the Cup? Bring in a center..One way or the other

Hospo


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:20 pm EST

VIC - You know, I just don't think we are thinking about the same things regarding the Rangers and Hayes..As is, i think the Rangers are as talented as any team in the NHL..and a good chance of winning the East. But, the only thing I think of when talking about the Rangers is not NOW but winning the FOUR series to win the Cup........ nothing else. I look at the Ranger and I see weakest link being team FO incompetence and the production of the 3rd line (say, the last 10 games or soemthing)...To address that, I repalce Hayes plain and simple if I can find somebody like a Vermette ,,,,,without a moment's hesitation..........

Hospo


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:11 pm EST

Id rather be carrying Kassian than Glass, for sure

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:08 pm EST

at the expense of their playing time, I mean

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:01 pm EST

I get the appeal of Kassian, but he would come in at the expense of Fast or Stempniak. Both are playing well, both make less than Kassian. Fast even throwing the body very well. Maybe next season if we are moving on from Stempniak, or this season if for or as replacement to Glass, willing to sub in/out as need dictates

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:00 pm EST

Vic -- Hayes is a terrific young player with excellent skills but I just don't think he or his line are "dangous" on a consistent basis and that's a problem AFAIAC. HE/they show flashes of nice plays, excellent skills but it doesn't translate to,providing a line that the opposition has to worry about stopping or providing consistent pressure on the opposition shift after shift. The fact that AV operates that he doesn't have a 3rd or 4th line, just an interchangeable bottom 6, speaks directly to,the problem. When D. Moore gets 14 minutes and Hayes only gets 9, despite the fact that the 3rd line needs to be one that needs to put the puck in the net and put heavy pressure on the other team shift after shift....it means there's a problem. I don't think k we can continue with this nuveau approach of having a bottom 6 whose icetime varies game to game. We need a simple old-school,approach....we need the top 3 lines to be dangerous offensively and put heavy offensive pressure on the other team with a 4th line that checks, cycles and puts in the occasional goal. These lines need to be set and get into a groove and perform consistent for us to be successful in the playoffs. Unless Hayes can get to,thempointnwhere he looks like a 3rd line center who,we EXPECT to score goals,and win face offs, we need to go get one IMO.

JFC31


Sun Jan 11 2015 6:59 pm EST

I haven't seen anything written of any interest in Kassian. I only wish there was. Yes, AV would know exactly what he would have in him and how to handle him. Funny coincidence that he makes the same amount as Tanner Glass!

PatrickDiv


Sun Jan 11 2015 6:01 pm EST

PatrickDiv: If anyone knows about Kassian's play, wouldn't it be AV? ... I don't recall anyone hear quoting AV or a piece of news about any Canuck that AV has his sights on, do you? .... Kassian, signed at a Cap Hit of $1,750,000 this season & next .............. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7143

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:56 pm EST

Philthy is starting Emery, Mason pulled his pecker....

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:56 pm EST

MF: As with the Ottawa clipping, I have said it before...GET KASSIAN!

PatrickDiv


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:55 pm EST

jnyr: we went to the SCF for the 1st time in 20 years.. We just won 13 of our 14 last games. Thats a winning percentage of .9286 % which is rather stellar in any sport... We are tying and breaking records that have stood for 30+ & 40+ years, and you're unhappy with the trade... Oy Vey! .... What's wrong with this picture? :-)

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:51 pm EST

they're winning, but that's more about Oshie/Backes/Berglund/Steen coming alive. Brodeur is just a reliever. Not used much since Elliott came off IR.

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:50 pm EST

Detroit or Toronto

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:49 pm EST

M11: You're Blues are winning aren't they? .... When you're done with him, send him to Ferguson.........

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:48 pm EST

VIC: A few things to recap & share from last night’s Ranger / Sharks match-up.... San Jose came into the match a desperate squad after the drubbing they took from St. Louis Thursday night.. The Rangers confidence has been in a growing uptrend, Staal & others have stated they feel they can compete with any team in the league.. The Rangers team defense has been improving measurably, as in their GA's have been decreasing since early December, and the odd man rushes against have been rather minimal….. The announcers stated several times that SJ is basically a 2 line team, so can a two line team maintain top level intensity long enough to overcome a top end defensive effort to win a majority of the time?? …... Next: One of their top two lines center Big Joe T was playing his first game back from injury......... The Sharks definitely took it to the Rangers the first 8-10 minutes but Hank staved them off for the most part……….. After that whenever the Sharks gained the zone “and tried to set up or cycle” the Rangers seemed to push them out & make them play a perimeter game…. It reminded me of some of the defensive play during Torturella's tenure... Spreading out the oppositions offense like that with a backstop like Hank is fine by me and I believe it frustrates the heck out of the opposition….. I'm psyched at the thought that this team may be incorporating some of the shut down defensive style we played during the Torts era (sans some of the high risk going down to block a shot during these meaningless regular season games), combined with the high octane breakout mentality…. I think that we are also seeing more consistent safe play with short passes & chipping the puck up along the boards to get out of our own end while at the same time mindful to seek the open man to accelerate the breakout.. Add in the reduction of boneheaded plays by the likes of John Moore, which is addition by subtraction, and we’re a Steam Locomotive! (Ay, Jerry G? ;-)) ….. Now for the Islanders, no doubt they’ll be up for this one, but if complaining about Hayes defensive game is what this place has been reduced to, we’re in good shape…. I think that the experience of last years run has shown our Rangers not to take any team or game for granted, and we need to show up for every match….. All just my psycho-babble worthless opinions snatchurally….

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:44 pm EST

perhaps Detroit will relieve me of the odious distinction of being from a city with a sports team that employs Brodeur

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 5:05 pm EST

A few points here: I love the sweep but I told myself I would not pass judgement until they got thru the 7 games, so with games coming up against the Islanders, Bruins, Columbus and Pittsburgh....it will give us a better picture of where we stand. I do not like the softness of the roster, but the power play is a wonderful deterrent. Looks like Kreider has regained form. Even if you somehow overlook Kleins 8 goals, his play in the defensive zone has been amazing. JT Miller is playing like the beast we always hoped he would become. he has nicely rounded out the 4 lines. Stemp's goal was a result of Milller parking his butt in front of the goalie. Some how...some where the face off issue has to be addressed....if that means Lindberg to center and Hayes to wing thats what it means........you can't loose two thirds of draws and be successful in playoffs......ok...maybe you can Does it appear that every time St.Louis scores.......he scores into a half open net off a good pass.......I welcome the goals...but still don't like the trade...never have never will....would undo it in a heartbeat and take back Cally and pics...its alot of fun being a Ranger fan these days...........one other note...did hockey night live go downhill or what....Maclean and larroquete are brutal..pretty bad when I pine for Daneko.....enjoy the run everybody...it doesn't happen to often

jnyr


Sun Jan 11 2015 4:00 pm EST

KIS they are still huffing & puffing from their sheer DOMINACE before the stoppage lol. Im only half kidding.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 3:34 pm EST

can somebody explain to me some intricacies of the face-off. Is there a reason why the Rangers are so bad on the draw. do they not anticipate. Poor hand eye. bad balance slow twitch fibers. what is the deal. Anybody? yorkie, ola you guy have any thoughts. I dont understand why all the center seem to be poor

KIS


Sun Jan 11 2015 2:41 pm EST

I hope so Jerry but I fear the letdown game. As I mentioned there are some signs and trends that say it is coming.

Vic


Sun Jan 11 2015 2:38 pm EST

The other thing that I wanted to chime in on was this notion that HAYES is a problem on this team. Reading here I get the sense that you guys see HAYES as some kind of a defensive liability. That simply isn't true and hasn't been the case at any point this season. Yes, he SUCKS on draws but that is the only part of his game that is sub NHL level. At worst the other parts of his game from a defensive perspective are NHL average. He is responsible in his own end and usually picks up his man. He absolutely does have room to grow and his game will get better as he matures. He will fill out and his skating will improve. I remember LINDROS looking awkward like HAYES when he first started playing the NHL at 17. It will come and I know you guys agree with that. But I don't see how he is a liability right now. Especially considering the things he does do in the defensive end that you guys don't seem to give him any credit for. First and foremost if HAYES is on the ice and the Rangers get penned-in in their own end the pressure ends 9 times out of 10 as soon as HAYES gets the puck. He is so good at transporting the puck out of the Rangers end either himself or by moving it to an open man. He did it at least a half a dozen times last night. The Sharks were either applying pressure or were about to and it ended as soon as HAYES got the puck. Don't think for a second that AV doesn't see this and doesn't value it highly. Especially when so many of the Rangers are guilty of these lazy lobs out of the defensive end that get knocked down and kept in. I screamed at the TV repeatedly last night as the Rangers did it over and over again. Then, add it what HAYES does in the offensive zone. EVERY game he generates at least 1 turnover that turns into a fantastic scoring chance. The last 2 games it was HAGS failing miserably on open shots with nobody on him right in front of the goal. Again, as I called for a few weeks ago HAGS needs to be with MOORE and STEMPNIAK while HAYES needs to be with MILLER and FAST. I don't care what you call the lines. It doesn't matter. HAYES, MILLER and FAST will score and take care of their own end at an acceptable rate. MILLER can take the draws for HAYES to alleviate that problem to some extent. HAGS, MOORE and STEMPNIAK are a solid defensive unit that gives AV what he wants especially in the closing segments of the game. If he wants to cut down the 3 lines at times he can skip the kids in the rotation. He does that already when he moves HAGS with MOORE and STEMPNIAK late in games. He should just play the entire game that way.

Vic


Sun Jan 11 2015 2:25 pm EST

Vic: Have no fear Rangers win big Tuesday against fish sticks. Islanders only winning against bottom feeders.

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Jan 11 2015 2:11 pm EST

First of a few posts. First and foremost WHAT AN AWESOME STRETCH OF RANGERS HOCKEY!!!! It has been unreal. This team is as much fun to watch as any Rangers team I've ever followed. All that said, I am expecting a loss against the Islanders on Tuesday. Before I get drawn-and-quartered let me explain. Streaks are funny things. Good streaks and bad streaks are different, of course. but the one thing they have in common is the way they usually end. Right before the end of a streak (either kind) there is a game or two that can be called (fortunate or unfortunate). When on a losing streak there is usually a game right before the end where you actually outplay the opponent and deserve to win but come up empty. Conversely, on a winning streak there is usually a game right before the end where you get outplayed by your opponent but somehow manage to win the game anyway. I fear that was the case for the Rangers last night. SJ was the better team. If it wasn't for HANK and a few opportune goals the Rangers would have lost and probably should have if you look at who controlled the puck and had the better of the chances. Also, throw in the fact that Tuesday's game will be the first game home after a successful road trip and all of the elements are in place for a let down. I hope I am wrong but my fear is that the streak ends Tuesday and the Rangers may retrench for a few games. No big deal. It can't last forever.

Vic


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:44 pm EST

NN! Lifesaver ;) and only one other NHL team has never swept the west coast like that, and it was a Vigneault team too, the Canadians in umm...forgot.... whenever lol.The 90's sometime. Not sure if that means something, but achieving all-time stats is very good!

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:40 pm EST

Boyles fav D man is Brian Leetch: http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/one-ranger-made-the-all-star-team-and-its-not-who-you-think/

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:32 pm EST

Black glove hides puck easier, but a black glove is also easier to shoot around, against a white backdrop

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:32 pm EST

Anybody else going to this...http://www.92y.org/Event/Defending-New-York

DOUBLEN


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:31 pm EST

And not to start trouble lol, but it is what I do from time to time..... ;) Speaking of respective passes, Kreider & Miller? I haven't seen JT do that!! What a frickin play by Kreider - and a great finish by Martin St Louis. Then Kreider becomes an immovable object on the 2nd goal. MONSTEROUS shit. And Im glad JT is okay, took a nasty tumble head first.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:31 pm EST

thinking back to when Hagelin first came up, then Kreider, and I think there was a 3rd guy, how in awe many of us were to see the "speed" on this roster.. Gotta confess that over time, I've taken it for granted, but the fact remains, other teams just can't keep up over 3 periods... IF we can't land a "Vermette type, or a Hanzal type" perhaps we look for more speed and target "Lauri Korpikoski." The guy is fast, can play all 3 forward positions, defensively responsible, his Cap Hit is $2.5mill for this season & 2 more after this, and can twin a face-off draw.. Got to also think that his pricetag would be palatable .... Our 3A or 3B line could be HAGS / KORPIKOSKI / FAST (or) STEMPNIAK ....That's a fast, defensively responsible, forechecking line with offensive threat...... It could be worse........ Due to Arizona's line-up, KORPEDO has some 2nd line experience too....

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:19 pm EST

Tucc, what's funny is Hagelin hasn't slowed down but now doesnt seem as noticeable flying around out there, because everyone is just zipping all over! Its unbelievable when they start to smell a goal. I'd noticed very early in the year They would get to buzzing so much it was like they were possessed. They've built on it. Real offensive momentum from game to game. Finally. THAT is having confidence in goal scoring. And not that he was flying, but Klein was doing his Zubov imitation, taking it down low.' There's a guy who is feeling it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:16 pm EST

http://ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/local-arts/history-museum-pays-$300,000-for-worlds-oldest-hockey-stick

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 12:10 pm EST

Well balanced team right now, scoring across the forwards, Nash tied for lead in goals, defense pitching on the scoreshee, power play clicking, Hank playing at top form and speed is better than any team in the league. Really fun watching these guys play hockey!

Tucc


Sun Jan 11 2015 11:59 am EST

There are FREE downloadable applications for just about any device that can take a picture........ However, the NHL's equipment did not show "zoomed in" frames on the goal which was not credited to the NY Rangers...... Is the league in such poor financial shape that they cannot employ state of the art cameras ??? Bung-Holio strikes again.....

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 11:53 am EST

From the Ottawa Sun............ The Winnipeg Jets are looking to move a defenceman or two before the deadline. The club has 12 under contract and is suddenly starting to get healthy after being banged up. They aren't moving D Dustin Byfuglien, but teams can likely have Adam Pardy. THIS N' THAT Don't think the Maple Leafs wouldn't be able to move winger Phil Kessel if they wanted. There will be plenty of interest in Kessel because whether people like him in Toronto or not, he's been one of the most steady, consistent scorers throughout his career. His $8 million cap hit would be manageable and the thinking amongst league executives is either Kessel or captain Dion Phaneuf will be getting a change of address next summer .... If the Oilers are going to move C Jordan Eberle, don't expect it to happen during the regular season. GM Craig MacTavish has listened to offers for Eberle, but Edmonton wants to see where it finishes ... Even after acquiring winger David Perron from the Oilers, the word is Penguins GM Jim Rutherford is still trying to acquire one more forward. AROUND THE BOARDS Montreal GM Marc Bergevin has been working the phones to try to get help up front. Yes, the Habs have had a great first half, but they'd still like to get a little more size among their forwards for a long playoff run. They waived blue-liner Bryan Allen and his $3.5-million contract. He was sent to the club's AHL affiliate in Hamilton and the Habs are hopeful someone will deal for him ... If a team is looking for experience, a possible option is Colorado C Daniel Briere. A UFA with a $4-million cap hit, he's being used in a fourth-line role by the Avs. Briere, 36, could be a nice fit for a team in the East and the Avs wouldn't want much more than a draft pick in return. The Islanders could use a guy like Briere. They have little experience ... A possible fit for the Wings: Oilers' D Jeff Petry. Detroit GM Ken Holland was on Edmonton radio last week and indicated he needs a right shot. Petry is a UFA and a Michigan native. RUMOURS DU JOUR Flyers GM Ron Hextall is getting antsy to make deals. Philly has virtually no shot at making the playoffs, coach Craig Berube is on the hot-seat and Hextall wouldn't mind clearing out cash. While the Flyers would like to move blue-liners Nick Schultz, Carlo Colaiacovo and Michael Del Zotto, the guy teams really covet is Braydon Coburn. With a $4.5-million cap hit through 2016-17, Coburn is highly regarded and could bring a good return. There's also interest in centre Brayden Schenn, who has a cap hit of $2.75 million through next season ... A report said the Minnesota Wild held discussions with the Hurricanes about G Cam Ward. He has a 'no-move' clause and would be in control of his own destiny, but the belief is he'd waive it if given the chance to go to a good team. Carolina is in full rebuild mode. The club has held talks with D Andrej Sekera and F Jiri Tlusty about extensions before they become UFA's on July 1. If neither signs new deals by the deadline, then they'll likely be deal ... The Blackhawks are looking to move a blue-liner. It makes sense to see what they can get for UFA Michal Rozsival ... The Canucks are looking to move winger Zack Kassian ... The Ducks may be shopping defenceman Mark Fistric.

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 11:48 am EST

Carp has a good point. All goalies now should use dark or black gloves so there can never be any conclusive evidence in these cases. Just rediculous! Why have the super sophisticated, bunker, war room, if they can't use common sence to make decisions? So far all they have shown us if that they roll some dice or make up decisions based on Buttman directives. Really shady. The Rangers have been on the short end of way too many of these calls over the last few seasons.

NYStranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 11:45 am EST

@andystrickland: Few #NHL teams run California the way the #NYrangers did this week.

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 10:47 am EST

So if uncle antti's glove was inside the back of the net but torrondontknow can't see the puck it's no goal and when he pulls his glove out the puck is in there?... An amateur illogical lawyer run league.... Buttman ..... Why didn't they ask the ref where the puck was ?

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 10:16 am EST

jratelle: LOL - maybe vent about the Rangers lousy FO prowess. It's gotta be addressed IMO - it could be the difference between winning and losing a PO series.

RF4L


Sun Jan 11 2015 10:14 am EST

And right now, Sather doesn't SUCK!

RF4L


Sun Jan 11 2015 10:14 am EST

Wow, what a run, eh boys and girls? And see how important it is that MSL and Kreider come to play, as they have the last 2 games? Takes the pressure off what I consider the number 1 line and makes it so much harder for the opposition to shut down the Rangers.

RF4L


Sun Jan 11 2015 9:33 am EST

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-who-are-you-going-to-believe-me-or-your-own-eyes-groucho-marx-120930.jpg

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:27 am EST

Coach Alain Vigneault was asked his opinion on the no-goal video review on Mats Zuccarello’s backhand at 4:24 of the third period that Antti Niemi snared across the line. “The puck’s in the mitt, the mitt’s in the net,” said the coach. I’ll let you use your common sense.”

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 7:22 am EST

The team's win-loss record trumps all individual stats AFAIC, but, I really want Nash to lead the league in goals instead of being tied with another player for this simple reason: the fucking NHL website, every time that Nash has been tied for the league lead, be it with Corey Perry or Tyler Seguin, puts one of those guys' picture up but not Nash, even though Nash has played in fewer games. My God, it seems like it would absolutely kill the Bettman NHL to recognize a Ranger for anything. Just wanted to vent about something pretty insignificant. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

jratelle19


Sun Jan 11 2015 6:54 am EST

Almost forgot. Sather SUCKS.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 6:42 am EST

they are tanking...thank God......http://nypost.com/2015/01/10/how-a-changed-phil-jackson-could-save-the-knicks/

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 6:38 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/10/knicks-losing-streak-is-driving-fans-to-drink/

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 2:26 am EST

13 of 14 & still 3rd, gotta hear how asshole Pens are in front of us(games in hand). Unreal but whatever. This streak - which the 94 team never accomplished, nor last years team, nor either of the recent ECF teams 97 & 2012?) IS a statement as I saw someone say. You have to go back to 73-74 for the last time, over 40 seasons ago. Its the kind of thing the 86 Mets did after they had the door slammed in their face the year before.didnt think they were great tonight but found a way to win. Thats what real good teams do.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Jan 11 2015 2:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/rangers-accomplish-a-franchise-first-with-win-over-sharks/

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:56 am EST

Mar-Tan Hanzal: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5221

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:54 am EST

Aunt Juan Vermette: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2130

mf


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:26 am EST

Great trip. Sweeping Cali is a message to the rest of the NHL.

Bob


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:12 am EST

Pat Leonard &#10004; @PLeonardNYDN Dan Boyle's nose is broken. Says was gushing blood BADLY: "I broke my hand the 1st game I was here (w/ #NYR). So why wouldn't this happen."

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:10 am EST

there is no reason not to have a nyr postgame show, then have the idiots do hockey night live bs....I don't want to see fishstink interviews, nor the debiees, nor their announcers....keep them on msg 2...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:08 am EST

Boyle had his nose broke and returned to play the rest of the game

Messier11


Sun Jan 11 2015 1:06 am EST

Our GF(3.13) / GA (2.33) differential is .8 GPG.... I believe that we are leading the league in this department.....