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Wed Oct 22 2014 5:09 am EST

I thought we would have lost this one. We are not quite there yet as a team and while NJD lack a lot of things -- they are extremely good at taking advantage of teams that "aren't there yet". Very nice to see us come through with 2 pts. I agree with everyone else, things aren't always pretty when we play. But that don't quite worry me long term. I see two main problems, we are a bit shaky at center with Stepan out AND our blueline can be pressured when Boyle is out.

Ola


Wed Oct 22 2014 4:34 am EST

Schedule looks a little strange the next 4, 5, 6 weeks. A couple of looking breaks between games... Then most of November looks like a game every other night.

hipcheck


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:31 pm EST

Montreal is tops in the league in the standings... It's a long way until Saturday Night with Les' Habs..... I'm not so quick to Malone out of the line-up, but he better wipe this, I'm so happy to be playing smile off his face, and start rubbing people out along to boards until it hurts.... If DuClaw must be in the line-up, it's a tough call who sits after a 3 day rest.... Don't underestimate this years Frogs, they've won the last 3 just as we have, except they're at the top of the chart...... Sprechen Sie Deutsch Froggy?

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:18 pm EST

As Old as they are Jags is still a horse even without speed man he's strong along the boards and still makes plays , this guy still makes ppl around him effective.

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:58 pm EST

Klein first D-man to score for Rangers this season. Aside from tonight, Moore has been pretty good in my opinion. Third on team in hits behind Glass and Girardi, Seventh on team in shots, behind only McD among D-men. Tonight he got something like three fewer shifts than he usually does, while top pair got about six more than normal, for whatever reason.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:53 pm EST

As for the individuals.....HANK played well again. I can't blame any of the three that went in on him and he was awesome when he needed to be. That breakaway by ELIAS was the game. If it goes in the Rangers are done. HANK kept them in it long enough for them to wake up. On D.....strong game for HUNWICK. GIRARDI is such a warrior. He is so unappreciated around here but the guy may be the toughest I have ever seen in terms of playing through pain and injury. McDONAGH is not playing well. I'll throw this out there with no factual evidence of any kind. Is his shoulder right? He never had surgery after the injury last year. I'm wondering if he should have because he doesn't look right to me. Centers.....HAYES didn't play as well as he did against the Sharks and he was God awful in the faceoff circle. He has to improve there otherwise he is going to see his ice time taken by others as happened in the 3rd period. AV even said it after the game. He put MUELLER in for the draws. But, HAYES had some nice moments in this game including the shot that NASH eventually scored on the rebound. Speaking of MUELLER....strong game. He did what they brought him up to do (bring life to the PP). He also was solid in the 3rd and in overtime. BRASSARD was essentially invisible until that nice pass to MUELLER on the PP goal. MSL and MZA started to show some chemistry. KREIDER did some great things and took two penalties that hurt the team. Mixed night for him for sure but the game winning play was a beautiful play that was created by KREIDER. NASH looks like a shark out there and he was pretty good all game long. He went right to the net and pounced on that rebound unlike what he would have done last year. He is a pleasure to watch this year. MALONE had the kind of game that gets you pulled out of the lineup in favor of DUCLAIR next game. I'm calling that switch right now. I like the idea of MALONE on this team but if AV is going to use him like he has so far MALONE really doesn't have a place on this team.

Vic


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:35 pm EST

Definitely a frustrating game to sit through for 2 plus periods. The Rangers had little energy or spark for most of the game. I've said it many times over the years that this team has a habit of sleepwalking through games. That is why I always loved guys like AVERY and CARCILLO on this team. They make it impossible for your team to sleepwalk through games. GLASS has done his job so far but the Rangers really miss having a guy who is a complete asshole to play against. A guy who starts scrums every shift. Part of the lack of any flow in the game is the fact that the Devils have a way of sucking the life out of a hockey game. They may be old and may not have great team speed but they can still clog a game up better then a 5 pound tub of butter in a fat woman's arteries. Before I get into individual performances I just wanted to make the point that wins like this matter. It matters that your team can come back from and win a game where they are down 2 goals in the 3rd period on the road. That is a rare thing in today's NHL. At the end of the day it was a road win against a division opponent who had them down and presumably out with under 20 minutes to go. I'll take it with sprinkles on top while telling those D-BAG Devils fans who were chanting at HANK to shove it up their rectums.

Vic


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:51 pm EST

Thought first was exciting. Lotta prime chances. Schneider was good. Some of our shots werent. Penalties disrupt flow & Devs never fun, Jagr apparently will never stop. Real nice for Mueller (2 big pts; guy is showing he can help in some form) & Klein. Better ending than last one for him.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:26 pm EST

PJ: Hunwick is playing a solid game. He plays with some balls as far as jumping into the "O" zone. He takes the body effectively also. Something that bothers me about our defense is the amount of outright storming of the King by the other team. How many times tonight did the Devs flip it to the net, send everyone in and get multiple whacks at Hank? We are not a very physical defense and the return of Boyle won't help. We will see. Rangers have a ton of games in November and the riding of McD and Girardi will not fly IMO.

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:25 pm EST

Got some surprising contributions tonight: Chris Mueller, 28 yr old in only his 48th NHL game scores his 3rd NHL goal.... Kevin Klein, scores his 1st of the season & 18th career goal in 440 contests..... cool

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:13 pm EST

Nash Math: On pace for 93.714282 goals this season... Nothing like round numbers :->

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:12 pm EST

John Moore is lucky Hunwick is a right handed shot and AV doesn't like to play D on the opposite side.....When Boyle comes back he could be odd man out....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:08 pm EST

Moof do the Nash math

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:07 pm EST

We're tied with Toronto for 3rd most penalized in the league with 28.... Easy math here StevieAbacus, thats 4 penalties per game. Got to get that figure down to 3..... jmho naturally..... http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLSAAAll&sort=timesShort&viewName=penaltyKill

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:59 pm EST

Klien scored two one for each team

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:59 pm EST

I LOOOOOOOVE winning, Lets go Raaan-gers. Woohoo!

WIOSA


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:58 pm EST

Malone had no shots, no hits, played less time than Glass tonight. Unless he was being rested, certainly a candidate for Duke to replace against Montreal.////// Girardi and McDonaugh each logged over 28:00 tonight. Cant keep that up going forward. Oddly enough it was John Moore playing the fewest, with >13. Hunwick got >16, Klein >15.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:57 pm EST

JFC.Maybe its too early to say its a sign of a good team that finds the way to win even when they play like shit or we got lucky against the oldest slowest team in the league . Man oh man lack of speed will comeback and bite the devils wonder if Lou is playing for the top pick lol

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:55 pm EST

If the Broadway Hat was white, Klein would look like a young Colonel Sanders!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:54 pm EST

Boys are starting to build something.

hipcheck


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:54 pm EST

MF... It's early in the season . We still have guys trying to find their game and guys trying to figure out what their role on the team is. Not to mention, we're in the process of developing chemistry. It takes time. Patience is key. That being said, we're still light years ahead of last years pace at this time. It's gonna be a bit up and down until the team hit's it's stride.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:50 pm EST

And no way we make it past second round last season without MSL.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:50 pm EST

Mule er took the d man past the goalie to leave Klien a wide open lane

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:49 pm EST

Always nice to beat the Devils....still doesn't excuse the fact we only played about 30 minutes and showed little intensity. Like the chemistry that seems to be de loping between Zucc & MSL....too bad Brass wasn't in on the fun. Lineup needs a shakeup,for next game. Methinks Duke will be in and Malone or Hayes sits. Duke is from Quebec, so I suspect AV was gonna play him anyway vs. MTL

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:48 pm EST

MSL is our second leading scorer just 7 games in, and our first is Nash- (who would have predicted that?) and no one on this roster put up as many points as MSL last season. I don't know how anyone gets third-line winger from those facts.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:44 pm EST

2 the hard way.... This damn franchise, it's like, they got to go the distance

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:44 pm EST

Nothing like dropping the Devils at the Rock......What a play by Kreider....Speed kills.....We need to use it for 60 minutes....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:43 pm EST

Step: whadda call! ;-)

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:43 pm EST

Great pass Kreids !

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:42 pm EST

The Great One does it again, KEVIN KLEIN ! yeah baby, 2 points & it counts!

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:42 pm EST

KLEIN IS FINE!!!!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:41 pm EST

KLINNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:41 pm EST

Klien line

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:40 pm EST

Stempi hit the crossbar late in the 3rd

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:39 pm EST

That is "we" will win

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:38 pm EST

We suck 4 on 4. There I said it now they will win.

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:37 pm EST

msl is and was a good player but what dies he do for this team? how has he made a difference. at least duke is 19 and jt miller is 21 both are young AND SHOULD GET BETTER.msl isnt getting better. he is no better than a 3rd lie winger n this team..zucc neds to start making a difference as well. he shouldnt be looked at for how funny or how much a wise ass he is produce

KIS


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:35 pm EST

Actually Stempniak has played well again....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:25 pm EST

Has Stempniak been seen tonight? Had to look at the boxscore to see if he was even dressed..

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:25 pm EST

Rangers de ode to start skating hard and they score 2 goals....what a coincidence!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:23 pm EST

Good forecheck by Nash....then he goes to the net and the puck finds him...when you're hot, you're hot!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:22 pm EST

Nash is in the groove..... 1 more for the win..... :-)

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:21 pm EST

Dickalletti bitching about call favoring Rangers???? Oh yes NAAAASSSHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:20 pm EST

As much as I wanted Malone in the lineup he needs to start doing something...Will be sitting if he doesn't....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:14 pm EST

good to have a RHS on the PP....... Mueller, good job.... 1 more for the tie

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:13 pm EST

Mule er

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:07 pm EST

Considering we don't play again till Sat this is completely unacceptable. No energy against the older team...WTF!

rngrsans


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:06 pm EST

Nash bowl the defender over instead of trying to slip between and hit the goalie grow a pair

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:03 pm EST

This kind of game calls for the 4th line to try and provide a spark

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:03 pm EST

Hank being outdone again. This Club needs a shake-up already. MIA performance by too many to mention tonite. No intensity.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:02 pm EST

Its a half assed effort by the Rangers. No one willing to take the body or play the man

rngrsans


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:01 pm EST

Brassard looks like sh!t

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:00 pm EST

Have to say Hags stinks also....no back check what so ever

rngrsans


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:59 pm EST

You people mean to tell me that Boyle meant that much to the fucking PK. what the hell does moore do on this team. AV better get this team going. MCD show some leadership because your team sucks right now as do you!!!!!!!!!!!

KIS


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:58 pm EST

Other than a few good shifts by Zucc & MSL, the Rangers have no spark, no spirit. Ridiculously bad effort...losing 3-1 to this team is a JOKE!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:53 pm EST

PJ.... The penalty kill is currently running at 87.0%... Last year with Boyle we averaged 85.3% for the entire season(3rd overall in the NHL). It's just different without him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:50 pm EST

this team just doesn't have it. their workers don't out work. they have no toughness. that midget line can skate all day but are they effective? No!!!! its a fuckin side show. I put the blame on AV. He should know the sound of a fart from each player. Its not like he hasn't been with most for over a year. he should know the strengths and weaknesses of each player. Hell I can see in 10 min if a person can play in soccer this guy has miler for 2 fuckin years and he dosn't know his ability. I expected a faast start to this team with th core and most players coming back. With the injuries I was willing to give some leeway but what this team is doing is horseshit. This over fuckin 40 team is beating them. unbelievable

KIS


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:41 pm EST

Game is missing sandpaper grit .... Have to pound the old guys or they play young...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:41 pm EST

PK not the same without Boyle.....Not enough offense in this game....Hayes and Hunwick best Rangers on the ice tonight....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:39 pm EST

If there was ever a case of embellishing, that was it. It was downright Plekanic-ing.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:34 pm EST

Hank... Please stop handling the puck, please just stop.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:34 pm EST

Bad call on Malone and Klein needs to block the shot or get out of the way....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:31 pm EST

Bs penalty call on Malone

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:24 pm EST

Haggerty was one of the last cuts and one of the highest praised kids in camp. If he didn't benefit from tagging along last season, then I'd hate to think how stellar the kid would have been had he played 82 in the AHL

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:17 pm EST

Jagr,Elias,Havlat, Cammalleri,Salvador,Clowe,Zubras ,Ryder, Zidlicky and list go on and on , bunch of over the hill vets, we should dominate the game !!!!

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:11 pm EST

Ilya's right....we should be skating circles around these clowns. Instead, we're playing down to their speed.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:06 pm EST

Hayes really takes advantage of his reach & big body.. The kid has good poise, confident calmness to him.... Thank you Jerry York

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:05 pm EST

Devils are one of the oldest slowest teams in the league and we're one of the quickest i dont understand how the devils were able to manage 11 shots on goals even , its Schneider who should be getting alot of work not Hank lol

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:01 pm EST

Schultzie: who woulda figured? ;-)

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:49 pm EST

I know NOTHING. Cause Zuc line with MSL is making some gorgeous plays. No one knows where theyre going except them.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:35 pm EST

That was a crap penalty call on Kreider.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:35 pm EST

Rosen & Micheletti are always homers for our opposition.. WTF!? Fire these two already...

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:04 pm EST

If they had to, the Rangers could do,what they did with Zucc early on in his Rangers career....spot on the 4th line and put him on the PP. That way he gets ice time and he also gets top-6 type minutes on the PP

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:52 pm EST

RF4L -- good point....if the Rangers feel Duclair is a top option on the wing, especially as a scorer and better than any option at Hartford, then the Rangers will try to keep him here so that he will be available in case of injuries. Once he goes down, he's gone until April. Again, if that's the case, AV is going to try his best to have his cake and eat it too...get Duclair enough ice to keep him sharp. If he can't do,that, then he'll have no choice but to return him

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:40 pm EST

AV's comments verify exactly what I stated....the Rangers are not happy with their only option being sending The Duke down to Jrs. AV does not think it's the best place for him....if he did, he'd be gone already. They would,rather leave him here, let him learn and get into as many games as possible....the only way he's going back,is if they are FORCED because things are not working out regarding ice time. Right now, they'd rather hold onto,him, see if they can spot him on a regular basis.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:25 pm EST

Hockey history..."Fastest three goals: Bill Mosienko, 21 seconds on March 23, 1952 Mosienko and the Chicago Black Hawks (that's how they spelled it in those days) appeared to be on the way to a season-ending loss to the New York Rangers at Madison Square Garden when Mosienko had the greatest shift of any player in NHL history. The speedy right wing beat Rangers goaltender Lorne Anderson at 6:09 of the third period … and at 6:20 … and again at 6:30. That's three goals in 21 seconds, an accomplishment that has never been approached (for perspective: Jean Beliveau is next with three in 44 seconds, more than twice as long). Mosienko's record-setting night in the Hawks' 7-6 win has overshadowed his career accomplishments. He and the Bentley brothers, Max and Doug, formed the "Pony Line," one of the great trios in NHL history. He finished his 14-year NHL career (all with Chicago) with 258 goals and 282 assists for 540 points -- good enough to earn him a berth in the Hall of Fame."

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:05 pm EST

“Obviously each player is different, each case you have in front of you is different,” Vigneault said. “In Anthony’s case, if we send him back to juniors, we can’t bring him up, we don’t have that leeway of sending him to Hartford then after a couple of games bringing him back up. I do think in Anthony’s case, my experience, because I’ve coached in junior before, coached in the American League and been coaching in the NHL for a couple of years, I’ve got a pretty good grasp of our time frame with him and right now he’s not playing tonight. He’s going to practice and we’ll see the next game.”

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:01 pm EST

IMO (and yes, this is pure speculation), the reason Duclair hasn't been demoted is that the Rangers don't like their depth and are concerned, down 1 forward already, if someone else gets hurt, there's no one they like on the farm to step into a top 9 position. What that says about the likes of Fast, Lindbergh, Haggerty and yes, Jitters Miller is rather deafening. I mean, to think that Duclair is better served not playing vs being the go to guy on his junior team is just plain foolishness IMO.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:53 pm EST

Please explain how Haggerty 'obviously benefitted' from watching on the side lines last year with the Rangers. And Sather's track record when it comes to forcing kids to turn pro prematurely is dubious, at best.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:53 pm EST

Earlier today AV said Kostka would get the call if necessary...soon after, turns out Girardi's playing. Gotta admit, AV is a master motivator!

LeoS


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:47 pm EST

are = are not

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:47 pm EST

well at least the nyr are the subject of disaster.....until they lose again.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:42 pm EST

Everyone take a deep breath. Haggerty obviously benefitted from training with a pro squad and not playing last season. Like AV said, once Duke goes down, that's it for the year. Not like Miller, who could and might be back next week. Stepan comes back from injury soon and someone will move. Until then, Duke is likely having the time and experience of his young life, and Miller is leading Hartford. so let's all just chill on the edge- of-the-cliff, ruining-our-kids hyperbole a whopping 6 (six) games into the season!

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:40 pm EST

Wait. You guys can't be serious that DUCLAIR is better off watching tape and practicing rather than playing in a game-time minutes, right? You realize he'd be practicing and watching video if he were back in Quebec...AND playing 20-plus minutes a night for a team with an 82-game season...C'mon people. I know we all like Duke, but really. Read the writing on the wall here. Tempo is getting faster. Hits are getting harder. Play is picking up...and if MUELLER is any indication of where the Rangers are with MILLER, than he's also a nice metric to show you were they are with Duke. Mueller in New York means Duke on the bench. That is, unless Zucc or MSL goes back to the middle and HAYES sits. How many here see that happening?

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:32 pm EST

York - Whoa, buddy...slow down...NEVER said the Rangers would 'move Hayes to wing to get Miller up'...never said it...said I don't think HAYES will be at center...certainly not second-line center...once STEPAN comes back...And let's not mince words here...Wallsters have been gushing over Hayes for the past three days...the kid has had ONE solid game and a couple other pedestrian ones...he's made good plays...he's made some questionable plays...I've said all along I think he belongs in New York...don't think he would have signed here if he thought he was simply moving his team from Rockford to Hartford...And I've been talking about this kid long before Brooks ever suggested the Rangers sign him...but before I say he's going to supplant Step or BRASSARD, I'm going to need to see A LOT more than a couple games...what I DID say is that I could see him sliding into the second-line winger's position...and THEN Miller would slide into third-line center...Frankly, I think that scenario is more likely than the Rangers moving MALONE up to second line...though that's an idea I would support myself...in no way do I think this organization will move one player out of a position he's performed adequately just so they can give a less-proven player a shot. Not my words and say what you will about my support for Miller, it's no where near the level of mania that would prompt that irrational thought...Now...Re: KREIDER...yeah...he potted goals...in the playoffs...then he came to Hartford and sucked...then he came to New York and sucked(actually, he and Miller both only scored 2 goals in 20-plus games)...He didn't look too bad in the playoffs under Torts..but even then, he wasn't looking like the player he is now...it wasn't until AV demoted him that the light bulb finally went on...Again, don't get me wrong...yes, they're two different players...but I think they've had similar adjustment issues...though I think in Kreider's case, it was more attitude...with Miller, I think there's a dearth of confidence when it comes to the NHL.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:24 pm EST

There is no room on the cup contender team to allow a struggling bubble player endless games to figure it out. Until MIller can actually show something on a shift by shift, period by period and game by game basis, he'll continue to be cut. I've seen him numerous times as a Ranger now, over the past 3 years, and save for a PO game last year, all he's done is underwhelm me. Obviously, Ranger management feels the same and that's why he's in the AHL. Again. In his defense, the Rangers have, IMO, mishandled him, clearly promoting him too early.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:22 pm EST

Actually RF, the (recent) track record with kids is outstanding.Need I run down the list? It's about 75% of the team. Not speaking just about, you but why must there always be hysterics with the kids? Forget it, please, I can take hearing about Mike Ridley even one more time LOL...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:11 pm EST

DuClaw will get plenty of practice time with the club.. After tonight, the next game is Saturday Night with Les' Frogs in Montreal... We need to win tonight... LGR

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:10 pm EST

The longer Duclair stays and sporadically plays the stupider the Rangers are, which, they already have a sordid track record on. For crying out loud, just send him back already.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:00 pm EST

V says not timetable as of yet for Stepan to begin skating; here are his full remarks on Duclair. " “This is obviously, every player is different, each case is different and in Anthony’s case, if we send him back to junior we can’t bring him up. We don’t have that leeway of sending him to Hartford and then bringing him back up. In Anthony’s case, my experience, because I have coached in junior and the AHL and NHL, I have a pretty good grasp on our time frame with him and he isn’t playing tonight, but he will practice and we will see the next game.” He is better here for the moment, “yes.”

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 3:55 pm EST

TD you can't compare CK and JT when CK had the puck he scored or made things happen his play away from the puck was horrible. Miller on the other hand has done nothing offensively and his play away from the puck has been worse. While miller has excelled at the ahl level he has hardly looked like he belonged at the NHL level. He had a chance handed to him and lost it. This team is not moving Hayes to wing if he's doing well at center to move miller up. Miller may just have to become a winger if he wants to play on this team. He also would have to beat out duclair and haggerty for spots on wing as well. Hayes doing well at center changes the landscape for miller and his worth and him getting top min in Hartford means zip because fact is he's a top level ahl player so why not give him top line min? Derek Armstrong was a top line ahler but a fourth line nhler

York18


Tue Oct 21 2014 3:26 pm EST

R47: I'm not so sure that Miller needs more minutes in the AHL than fewer minutes with the Big Boys. He seems to be a "tweener," because he's a little "Gagoots" upsatirs. :-) (like that one JFC/Hospo) .... For now, JT is sized out, there's no room for him, especially with Mueller up... In the event there is a vacancy for him to fill, I'd play him 4th line center with Glass & Moore, allow Moore to take the faceoffs, but allow Miller the responsibility at center. Miller would also be there if Moore gets waived from the circle.. 1) this would be a nasty line to face 2) I believe Dom Moore would be an excellent mentor for JT at this stage in his young career... This just may be the training wheels that work for the kid... I'd certainly try it in practice........

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 2:42 pm EST

Duclair says nothing to br ashamed of. Hes learning & praticing & watching tape. Sounds fine. AV said he has a good grasp of how much time they have from having coached junior, AHL, NHL and see what happens next game.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:57 pm EST

Obviously we are all hopeful that Hayes proves to be that #1 center we want. That said, with Step and Brass centering the 2a and 2b lines, there's no room for Miller at C unless you want to use him as your 4C (which we all agree is a waste since he needs top 9 ice time). Does a MIller success at C forebode a trade of Step or Brass down the road?

Ranger47


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:47 pm EST

mf -- lol...of course they would say that...they are thinking only about themselves and their league. Jrs. is like the Mafia, AFAIAC....they have "protection" via the rulkes that govern the future of their players based not on their skill level and what would be best for them, but rather on an arbitrary age limit and what would be best for their LEAGUE....so their opinion doesn't mean jack.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:40 pm EST

The thing with Duclair is he's already downloaded more high-end hockey info in the last month than he ever has in his life. He needs time to process & integrate it in his game. And im sure he'll be playing somewhere soon and they'll figure out where's best, but at this level the needs of the team come first.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:37 pm EST

On Duclaw, let me play "Ranger's Advocate" (don't want to advocate anything Devil's, especially today) ..... The CJC believes that DuClaw would benefit greatly dominating in Junior's, experiencing the playoff's on that level, and any tournaments afforded him.. Then if we need to call him up in a pinch for the NHL playoff's, he's primed..

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:25 pm EST

Wild -- agree....AV said from Day 1 that Duclair was not going to play every game, so they were already formulating what they foresaw as his growth curve. Now, if he sits for 4 or 5 games, then I can't see that being good for him. But, I believe that the Rangers do not think the Jrs. are going to be good for his development and would like to find a way to keep him up here with enough games/minutes to help him continue to improve. If they can't make it work, then they'll have no choice but to send him back. But, IMO he is NOT going to improve being in Jrs....he won't get worse, but he won't get better and why would an NHL team want that if they felt that they had an option that would SPEED UP his development rather than stagnate it? As for Miller, I have seen him several times in Hartford and he can basically assert his will quite easily against that level of competition. !0 -12 minutes per game at the NHL level would be a hell of alot better for him thatn playing in the AHL, IMO. If HAyes continues his improvement at the center position, he fulfills a need that was illustrated when we lost to LA in the finals....it gives us a BIG center who can control and protect the puck vs. larger center opponents. He actually reminds me a bit of Tornton in terms of body type...lanky, but at 225 that's still alot of weight that can stand up against other big centers. The Rangers will keep him at C if he proves to be a consistent asset at that position.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:21 pm EST

And for those of you who follow the Yutes coming up the Pyke, once again, IMO, this is the kid to go after. 16 year old, LHS DEFENSEMAN 6'2"-3", 225lbs (depending on the size of lunch) SEAN DAY.... He's eligible for the 2016 draft... Foget McDavid & Eichel, we have Duclaw & Haggerty... This kid could be the next cornerstone of the franchise & "may" see ice time with the likes of Staal (if resigned) McD, Krieder, Hayes, MZA etc..... We have enough time, prospects & picks to accumulate extra picks for 2016..... http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/10/01/ohler_sean_days_sophomore_year_could_be_exceptional.html

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 12:46 pm EST

Edmonton is sucking bilge water for a change with 27 GA's after just 6 games.. Guess their forwards don't like the defensive side of the game.. In any event, they have 2 RHS defencemen which may appeal to the Rangers: MARK FAYNE 6'3" 210LBS 27Y/O.....JEFF PETRY 6'3" 200LBS 26Y/O.....I believe that Edmonton has 4 RHS Dmen, & 2 LHS Dmen in their top 6...... Anyone care to offer a comment on these two? thanks

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 12:28 pm EST

td: short term actually you can learn from watching, seeing the games live, seeing the video sessions after the game and getting on thrice for practice. Granted if it doesn't end soon it will loose its benefit. I always fear that a kid who can play at the NHL level will get a lot of bad habits if he gets sent back to junior. I am willing to see if he gets into the lineup again over the next game or two. He will get a good couple practice days in after tonight, and those will be good for him regardless.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 21 2014 12:22 pm EST

DUCLAIR projected to be a scratch...again...Time to get this kid back to juniors. This is exactly what I was worried about happening...like MILLER, he needs huge minutes. Sitting in the stands doesn't help his development.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:38 am EST

td: see I agree that the Rangers see Miller as a guy who will be in their top 9, and as a center. They see that NOW. Like I have said however, he has limited time to show something to prove it. Lindberg has 3 points in 3 games this season for the pack and is good away from the puck and in the D zone. If he shows he is a 3rd line center for the NHL then Miller will need to push him aside and/or one of Step, Brass and Hayes...that's not even bringing the next group of young centers in NCAA and junior who if all goes well for them will be pressing, so Miller doesn't just need to get the job from other current pros, he needs to keep it from the next set of pros. IMHO he has this year, camp next year won't be too late, but much harder. I think the Rangers will go into camp knowing they have 4-5 centers and they will not care if one of them is Miller or not. If he is not one of them it's going to take some (bad)luck of injuries for him to get a shot.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:17 am EST

Zip saying he's in. I hope his ankle doesn't snap a la Stepan

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:01 am EST

Alain Vigneault called Girardi a game time decision and said that it would take a lot to keep him out of the lineup. (NYR)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:45 am EST

Well, Hayes doesn't have Puliot's speed; tiny sampling but so far not much evidence Hayes possesses that little edge Ben had, that he can make himself an immovable object in front, or that he possesses a wicked wrister like Puliot. Not to say Hayes couldn't work there; for certain players RW-LW isn't a major problem. Here's how I see things stacking up once Step returns - and making the HUGE assumption off one game Hayes continues doing what he's doing and stays with Nash & Kreider. I dont see a place for JT Miller, but the lines look good, with one BIG/little exception. I just cannot see St Louis surviving & thriving too long with Brass & Zuc. And short of rotating in Malone, which AV hasnt shown he cares for yet, IDK what they do. Kreider-Hayes-Nash, Zuc-Brass-St Louis, Hagelin-Stepan-Malone, Glass-Moore-Stempniak. Who knows? One injury and the whole lineup gets out of whack anyway. Maybe thats where JT comes in.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:38 am EST

Garrioch posted Sunday that Carolina prefers to re-sign Sekera, but besides that I don't see why the Rangers would pick him up. Were down two righties, and I don't see us as unhappy with Moore's play. I think he's been a very good third pair D, and I could see him in a top-four role someday, even if not here.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:34 am EST

RR - never said anyone was going to be 'moved to accommodate' MILLER...but if you're looking for a guy on the team that has POULIOT'S attributes, it's Kevin HAYES. Simple logic.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:26 am EST

OK, I know we are in the beginning of a new season with all the excitement and promise that it holds. I know last season is history. And I apologize for dragging this poor dead horse in for another beating (well actually Nash brought him in). And I don't want (and won't) kill they guy because he did yeoman's work during the playoffs and we don't get to where we got without him. And he was obviously come off an injury that rattled him. BUT, in his own words: “In a sense it was confusing because I thought that I was on top of my game in every aspect except scoring, but scoring is something that the team relies on me for and that I expect from myself, so …“One goal. You never know how one goal could have affected the series,” Nash said, addressing the issue for the first time.......Limbo to self: OK, enough. Enough now. You (and Nash) had your say. Now turn the page. Nash is trying to, you should to.

limbo


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:22 am EST

stevielegs - You don't put a guy at fourth-line center unless that's where you see him playing...Fourth line in AV's system gets around 10 minutes of ice...and that's not enough for a kid like MILLER if they're expecting him to eventually be in the top nine...not to keep going back to the KREIDER situation...but he was sent down for the same reason...his game wasn't connecting and the options were to keep him as a bottom line winger(and mind you, that was when Tortorella was giving fourth line six minutes a night) or send him back to Hartford. Everyone here took it as 'Tortorella hates Kreider' and if you read some of the beats, they'll say that was the farthest from the case. As I always say, time will vindicate my position on Miller. He's with the organization because they see a future for him in their top nine.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:30 am EST

td I think jitters should have volunteered for the 4th center, instead of Mueller getting that job. it still leads me to believe there is a problem with veenyo on him, and him with himself. he could have turned up his sandpaper game, and possibly got that line to score with Malone on his wing. stepan gets back, his odds are worse at coming back, unless he really lights it up in Hartford .......

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:15 am EST

TD, The notion the Rangers would move Hayes to LW, where he hasn't played (he played RW & C at BC, because Kreider was at LW) to accomodate JT Miller sounds like a fantasy team, LOL. I think the front office is licking their chops right now at what they might have in Hayes, having signed this kid as a UFA, 24, 6-5, etc. He turns in a few more games like Sunday I think it'll be full-blown Hayes mania. Nor can they afford to remove Malone or Glass' physicality from the lineup on behalf of JT. You keep talking about all the sandpaper in this kid's game. If he does get the call again (unlikely for some time imo), he'd better get the shuttle driver to stop at Lowe's on the way in haha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:01 am EST

TD: I don't see that scenario with STEPAN's return at all. In fact, if the current first line with HAYES at center is putting up a goal or two every game I have to believe that AV will leave it alone. Especially with STEPAN coming back and having to find his conditioning and timing. I think it more likely that STEPAN is put with MSL and either HAGS/STEMPNIAK or MALONE on the wing. I don't see MILLER coming back up unless he is coming back on the wing. At this point HAYES is outplaying MILLER at Center and not by a close margin.

Vic


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:00 am EST

td: Agreed. I could never imagine being in that situation, and if I was, I would most likely lose my job (well, at least if found guilty) The only people who are "safe" from that kind of fall out have some kind of collectively bargained agreement. Like sports, or the big one is law enforcement, they have treatment programs for stuff like that (barring being found guilty and sentenced) since departments know that the job stress can lead to crap like that. This case seems much more cut and dry than the Varlymov case, that front he get go seemed fishy, and turned out to be just that, in this case there was hospitalization, and there is nothing coming from his side to make it sound like he is saying it isn't what it seems.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:55 am EST

SEKERA: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4791

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:25 am EST

On VOYNOV - I simply don't have sympathy for anyone who can get themselves in a situation where there's compelling evidence that they beat their significant other to the point of hospitalization...I know if I did that, I wouldn't be suspended from my job...I'd be fired...Cops and municipal/unionized workers would probably get away with a suspension...but what the NHL did was right. Sucks for the Kings. Sucks for me, because he was on my fantasy team...but overall, the right move.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:08 am EST

Rf4L - SEKERA is a good player, but I simply don't see how or why the Rangers would go after him. First of all, I'm pretty sure he's either on the IR or just coming off of it...and second, he's a lefty. I guess if they've finally had enough of MOORE...maybe...but I don't think Moore has done anything yet to really warrant him getting the boot...HUNWICK has also played a solid, if not unspectacular game as a seventh grinder...and on a related note, Conner ALLEN has been the Pack's top blueliner bar-none. The guy is flying out there...being used in all situations...I would only hope they would give him a sniff before looking outside the organization...Sekera is a solid player...probably a 35-40 point blueliner on some teams...but he wouldn't crack the Rangers' top four.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:02 am EST

stevielegs - sarcasm aside, my guess is that it's because AV doesn't believe MILLER is ready for third line center detail, which, in the grand scheme of the season, is where he ultimately belongs...and moving him to fourth-line center is giving him an assignment where he won't get the minutes the coach feels are necessary to develop him. Way I see the tea leaves is that when STEPAN comes back in a week or two, the HAYES-at-center experiment will end and, if Hayes is doing well, he'll slide onto the left with BRASSARD and ZUCC...Step line returns...you have a third line of HAGELIN-MILLER-ST. LOUIS...gives AV three lines that are very dangerous if Miller can pull his weight in between those two...Fourth line with MOORE and STEMPNIAK, with MALONE and GLASS swapping out depending on who's playing better...again, say what you will about the AV-Miller relationship...but if it were as sour as some like to make it out to be around here, he wouldn't be with the organization.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:31 am EST

Hearing that the Rangers are interested in Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Andrej Sekera...pending UFA...

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:38 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/20/nash-putting-goal-less-cup-flashbacks-behind-him/

stevielegs


Mon Oct 20 2014 11:03 pm EST

Sean Avery for league disciplinarian

Messier11


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:48 pm EST

Cally out for the rest of the game tonight against the Oil with a "Lower Body Injury" Love the guy but the way he plays coupled with his frame, this is likely going to be more of the norm than not. While I think he has some good hockey in him I am glad we didn't pony up the cash. Man does EDM need help on D! Taylor Hall is all over the place (what a player) and that kid Yakupov looks like he could really use a change of scenery...

PatrickDiv


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:47 pm EST

MF: Yea, I heard about the suspension first thing this morning. What remains to be seen is how the NHL will handle it. Are they terrified of being crucified like the NFL was over the RAY RICE incident? Are they going to come down on VOYNOV hard or are they going to slap him with a 5 game suspension? I don't know what the CBA allows for but my guess is that the NHL is going to try to come down as hard as possible. At least a year suspension and maybe a lifetime suspension if they can get away with it. Usually players can petition to be reinstated after a certain length of time. My guess is that VOYNOV would be KHL bound immediately if the NHL hits him with a lifetime ban. Should be interesting. I'm sure BETTMAN was dropping a few F-Bombs when the news broke. Not exactly the kind of attention the NHL needs......

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:26 pm EST

No Kostka please....Would it hurt to give Mac a game or two here early in the season....Could he really be worse than this turnover machine....Give me a break.....Devils playing well on top of it and will be up for this one as usual....

PJ


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:25 pm EST

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/slava-voynov-suspended-by-nhl-after-domestic-violence-arrest-1.2805838

mf


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:03 pm EST

Ok.....I had to laugh when I saw this tweet from AVERY:....."Do u think if u beat up your GF u should get suspended more than 6 games......6 games and Anger Management for making a rude comment @NHL".........I can't wait to see what the NHL does with VOYNOV. Should be interesting...

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 6:53 pm EST

Been watching a couple of Pack games on HockeyStreams.com(pay service) Dylan McIlrath is playing a very simple game and laying some big hits and missing on a few too. Until he is about 90% on those big hits he needs to stay on the farm. IMO

DCIGolfer


Mon Oct 20 2014 5:43 pm EST

E, I've more so been responding to TD repeatedly declaring from the highest mountain what a success Miller is going to be, when the evidence to me seems quite clear and to the contrary. 32 auditions and he hasn't gotten the gig. Not sure what else you want me to say. The kid in his NHL stints hasn't impressed me (not that he needs to) or the coaching staff of the New York Rangers (them he does need to impress.)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 5:18 pm EST

RR: You wrote a dissertation about all the problems you have with JT but you don't have a problem with him. I'm vexed. You don't compare him to other players you compare him to himself. He's a prospect. He's a young hockey player. That's all... He will bounce back and forth till he bumps someone and takes a roster spot and holds it. That's hockey. Nothing about his track is unusual, he isn't a bust as some have eluded to. He's a kid who is learning the pro game. Maybe he turns into something and maybe not. I'll say this, in my humble opinion he'll play many more games in the NHL than McIlrath will. Just a view from my suspect scouting expertise.

E


Mon Oct 20 2014 4:39 pm EST

Tried twice but not sure I followed that E. I dont have a problem with Miller except talking about him do much when hes not on the team.McD could be playing rt side tmrw, Malone & Glass, Hayes, Nash, Mueller (who played pretty darn well) , many more absorbing topics imo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 4:08 pm EST

No one has been harder on Miller then me. This kid is not a bust and trading him would be stupid. He's 21 and here is the thing some guys at 21 naturally have high hockey IQ others have to work on it miller has his work cut out for him he's not a natural. He needs a lot of work away from te puck. The Ahl affords him the chance to mess up and recover because his talent level is above most there the problem is he gets to the NHL level and his talent level no longer affords him that because everyone is that talented. I always aaid he would be a third liner who when hot could move up to second line he has all the physical tools now what's between the ears needs to catch up

York18


Mon Oct 20 2014 4:01 pm EST

Let's not forget that Stepan soon returns and all C will shift down one. Mueller would sit. Better a vet sits than a kid

Messier11


Mon Oct 20 2014 3:54 pm EST

there's something to veenyo sending jitters down, and bringing up Mueller for the 4th , while moving d moore to 3rd. why didn't he put jitters on the 4th line center spot?....guess it's a honing away he will go......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 20 2014 3:49 pm EST

RR: who cares who is in front of him? Is that the litmus test now? You're suggesting that he's behind developmentally then those guys and so what? Some of your argument points to star players. How do you hold him up to that level and use that as part of the crux of your argument? Should I also ask how many of those elite characters played in a Stanley Cup Final? No... Because it doesn't mean doodie. This is what 2-way contracts are for. Miller comes in during the Finals and played great. Came into camp and looked very good. Started to slip pushing him down the chart and gonna sit. Instead of sitting a young player go to Hartford where you get big minutes to work on your game. Where is any of this an issue?

E


Mon Oct 20 2014 3:09 pm EST

Here, change the subject. AV; "-On Hayes knowing what to do in his own end, “he does. For a young player like that, very responsible. The size factor helps him, he has a long reach on both sides, and a good stick. One thing that we keep telling our guys is stick on puck, stick on puck and he does a good job with that and it helps us defensively.”

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 2:32 pm EST

Let JT "Hone" away.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 2:31 pm EST

Difference is those guys are in the NHL, TD. But whatever. I was really looking forward to discussing the benefits of face-washing and right crosses after seeing Glass & Malone yesterday. Let JT away. Right now I could care less.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 2:26 pm EST

RR - You kind of highlighted my point with that list...and while guys like LENDESKOG, RNH and HUBERDEAU have already carved out nice niches for themselves...the rest of those guys aren't exactly lighting up the NHL...in fact, most of them are doing what 21-year-old kids do, which is slowly learn the game until having a breakout season...STROME is a great example...man...had the Islanders done what they normally do with prospects, he'd already be on another team...This is his first real season as an NHLer...and bring up LARSSON...the Devils now are facing a similar outburst from fans saying he's a bust and that the organization has soured on him...21-years-old...lots of time. Come back when he's 23 and still making the rounds in Hartford and I'll have no probably agreeing with you...but at this age, the only thing MILLER needs to do is keep honing his game. He's always been a project...just like all the other Ranger first rounders since STAAL.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 1:50 pm EST

21 and waiting to blossom turns to 24 and euro leagues real quick, E, especially with a stacked roster in front of you. JT turns 22 in March. But lots of the guys around him in his draft class are in their 2nd/3rd seasons already. 1. Edmonton-Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, C, Red Deer Rebels 2. Colorado-Gabriel Landeskog, LW, Kitchener Rangers 3. Florida-Jonathan Huberdeau, C, Saint John Sea Dogs 4. New Jersey-Adam Larsson, D, Skelleftea (Sweden) 5. NY Islanders-Ryan Strome, C, Niagra IceDogs 6. Ottawa-Mika Zibanejad, C, Djurgarden (Sweden) 7. Winnipeg-Mark Scheifele, C, Barrie Colts 8. Philadelphia (from CBJ)-Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville Voltigeurs 9. Boston (from TOR)-Dougie Hamilton, D, Niagara IceDogs 10. Minnesota-Jonas Brodin, D, Farjestad (Sweden) 11. Colorado (from STL)-Duncan Siemens, D, Saskatoon Blades 12. Carolina-Ryan Murphy, D, Kitchener Rangers 13. Calgary-Sven Baertschi, LW, Portland Winterhawks 14. Dallas-Jamieson Oleksiak, D, Northeastern University 15. NY Rangers-J.T. Miller, C, USNTDP

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 1:41 pm EST

JT Miller: 21 years old. (Scratches head)

E


Mon Oct 20 2014 1:04 pm EST

Well the other thing Wild, and nobody ever gets around to this, but Miller hasnt shown dick offensively, either. He has what?, 5 goals in 60 NHL games. Not the end of the world. Messier had 3 or something his first hear and is now 2nd all time. But I see a lot of low percentage attempts by JT, and really nothing standing out. Add that to an insufficient D game and youve got an AHL player, albeit an all-star at that level. IDK, and more so I'm at the point with him I don't care. He's aggravating me now, and TD with his blind ambitions for the kid makes it worse lol. But I think its AVs who's frustrated with him. He doesn't get why JT doesn't get it. Again, for my part he's not on the team and would prefer to concentrate elsewhere. But JT now has an even bigger obstacle, IF he ever figures it out. And that's everyone in front of him - at wing and at center- is now playing very well and it'll be even tougher to break thru. So if I'm a betting man I have to think his future isn't here.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:49 pm EST

Also on Miller, No one is asking him to be the most physical player on the team, or to be the best defensive forward in the NHL, or the Rangers, or hell, even his line! He just needs to NOT be a train wreck without the puck. He can't be the reason the puck stays in the zone shift in and shift out, he needs to be stable away from the puck and give proper puck support and get his butt back defensively and hep out, at least make it difficult on his man, sometimes when Miller is covering a guy its like the man is all alone and Miller is just lost on what to do. From reports he DOESNT do that in the AHL so it is 1) Mental, and he just needs to find a way to break through, maybe a sports psychologist or 2) he isn't capable, no matter how long he tries, he will never be capable at the NHL level.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:42 pm EST

I font think JR's light is wired properly TD, but as Ive said, these kids can surprise you big time. Hayes is a case in point. Looked pedestrian first few looks, his shoulder might have played a part too. Now he looks like a kid every NHL club put a bid in on. And Ive seen JT do some impressive things, up close, live. But what bugs the hell out of me was he didnt even try to be physical, the thing we need most from him (after some reliable D). Got to find ways to contribute when other parts of your game arent there. And being bottled up like that to where you cant perform is a major part too. IDK if he makes it or not, but its not dpeculative to say NYR didnt see what they needed. Ghey sent him down, for the tenth snd maybe final time.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:39 pm EST

i thought jt jitters came ready this season, and was a lock?....he had his serious face on and came early, and matured....someday, somewhere......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:38 pm EST

td: Hayes might be that guy. No one talked about him hitting, and he has done that more than a lot of other players. He is not out of place defensively, and offensively he is just fine, this is all early on of course. If Miller can't get his head screwed on right when he doesn't have the puck there is no way he could be a number 2 center, or a number 3 for that matter. Again, with the other younger (or maybe not younger but still in NCAA/AHL/Junior) who look to be 3rd/4th line type centers Miller needs to figure it out quick. He could be passed over on the depth chart by 1 or 2 centers in short order (meaning next seasons camp/early season) Like it or not he is starting to run short on time. Still has time to make a change and secure a spot higher on the depth chart, but so far I have not gotten the feeling he is doing that. He really fell flat the few games he played.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:30 pm EST

Wildcard - The day you can bank on the Rangers moving MILLER is the day they bring a player into the system with his skill set...they simply don't have that at this point..he's a unique player who, if firing on all cylinders, will be in the Rangers top-9...and I personally believe their top 6. Again...for the cheap seats...the kid is 21(!!)...Lot's of time to develop...You guys want to see the genesis of a bust? Go look at the Bobby SANGUINETTI story...kid drafted as a slick puck-moving defenseman...comes into the AHL...does well enough his first year to earn a callup his second year...plays five games as a Ranger...goes back to Hartford and is out of the organization the following spring...PERFECT example...team thought they had something in the kid...they watched him in the AHL...they watched him in the NHL...saw him as expendable and he was gone...no the Rangers' handling of Miller...though I don't think it was ideal in the beginning...I think is fine right now..waiting for the light to go on JUST like they did with KREIDER. It's gonna happen...just a matter of when.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:28 pm EST

Best played game of the year. I really liked what I saw with Hayes playing with K and Nash. There seemed to be great chemistry (especially for their first game together). Better than with Steoan on that line last year. I could easily see them staying together for the season and be our best line. When Stepan gets back he may end up on the 2b line - perhaps with MSL and Hagelin, since they appeared to play together quite well as a unit last year. That would leave a wing spot open on the Brass-Zucc line. Calling Haggerty? Malone looked pretty good there as well, but he's not the replacement for Pouliloit IMHO. With Moore probably back down as 4C, I do not understand why they keep pressing Miller to be a C. Perhaps he could fill the Poulliot role as W? Interesting days ahead. Hope they crush the Devils for once!

Ranger47


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:17 pm EST

RR - "crashed and burned spectacularly"?!? Can't trust anything AV says?!? C'mon dude. Seriously. I've said it before and I'll say it again...first 10 games...extended camp for AV...Miller had a missed opportunity. He'll be back soon enough. Just watch. Your narrative is wholly unsupported by anything other than your own speculation.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:14 pm EST

I think a lot of this Miller talk may be partly my fault. I said I was looking at him as a guy who may need to be moved. That was party based on the fact that the Rangers are looking at trying to win the cup this year, and or the next 2-3 years. Of course some seem to turn that into dumping him...I just though he could be used along with another piece or two to get a top 2 bigger center if one came available. And that I think that Miller looks like he has just not gotten better away from the puck. But anyway. I still say that, at the NHL level he is just not getting it, and he doesn't look all that much better after all this work for like 2 seasons, and 2 coaching staffs telling him the same things seemingly. If they can't get him to turn that corner at least some very soon they need to move him. Its either the system, the style of coaching or the pressure of being a Ranger, but if he continues on like this his value will plummet...

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:07 pm EST

TD, yourw outta control with this JT stuff. Its 6 games into the season, they neednt give Miller away if they dont believe he'll pan out. IF he's a chip theyll wait for the right deal. So thats proof of nothing, that he's still part of the org. Nor is anything AV says important. He's not going to publicly devalue a no. 1 pick if theyre looking to move him. Bottom line is Gorton very pointedly did say on record this was a major chance for him, and he crashed & burned rather spectacularly considering not one but two wide open spots before him. Sorry but the org.has to feel let down, and if nature takes its course here as usually happens with these things, he'll be an ex-Ranger.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:03 pm EST

JFC31 - MILLER needs to play the game with confidence. He wasn't doing that during the first three for whatever reason...Is it a vote of confidence sending him to Hartford? No. Not at all...but it's certainly not the death knell some here make it out to be...Bottom line is the place where HAYES is now vanishes in five games...everything changes when STEPAN comes back...And like with DUCLAIR, unless Hayes makes a really overwhelming argument to keep him between those two high-flying wingers, he's gonna be the guy to shift down to third or even forth line...possibly the bench...This is his shot...MILLER got his, he didn't do anything with it...AV's onto the next candidate...but the end of the Step injury, he'll have a good idea where the rest of the lineup is going to fall into place...but I'd be astounded if it has Hayes as the top-line center...incidentally...There were several points last night where Dom MOORE was centering the Nash line...Hayes finished with something like 13 minutes.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 11:55 am EST

RR - Not sure how you make that assumption given what has happened with MILLER so far this year...but in this case, I don't even think there's perfunctory evidence that AV or the organization have soured or no longer "trust" him...I don't think he'd even be in the system if that were the case...at 21, there are enough teams that would take a risk on Miller that he'd be gone by now if what you said is true...He certainly wouldn't be pulling top-line minutes in Hartford with a kid like LINDBERG down there too...fact is, Miller has something the Rangers want. That's why he's been with the organization for pieces of three seasons now...that's why despite his shaky play at times, he's still here...He's the only guy in the system that's gotten call ups three consecutive years...and they wouldn't keep sending him down if they didn't think he had much of a future a head of him...they certainly wouldn't keep calling him up...you don't see guys like McILRATH, BOURQUE, KRISTO, HRIVIK or even LINDBURG getting those kinds of calls...AV even said it: Miller would play the weekend and they'd work from there. Certainly how well HAYES plays will make a difference.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 11:51 am EST

AV talking about how Miller just needs to go down to Hartford and work on being a center because that's where the Rangers have a need, yet he has Hayes IN THE NHL playing the same position. Tell me how this is a vote of confidence for JT Miller? The more experience Hayes gets at center, the more comfortable he gets, the better he gets....and JT Miller playing center in Hartford is good for JT MIller in terms of eventually making it back to the NY Rangers? How?

JFC31


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:53 am EST

KOSTKA in? Really? I sure hope TALBOT is in net because I think HANK might kill him otherwise. I guess one way to look at it would be to say that he couldn't play worse, could he? I know I was having flashbacks of OZO when I watching him turn the puck over in the game against the Islanders.

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:51 am EST

Mess: Zip said (at least on twitter) IF Giradi can't go, Kostak will likely play. Not that GIradi is out, well, today he is out, but its just practice.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:49 am EST

Zipay: Girardi out, Kostka in

Messier11


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:39 am EST

...my call up candidate this year is Haggarty (sp). I think that kid is gonna' be good. Really good to see a good 60 minute effort from the team even if the Sharks had 3 games in 4 nights. Especially after watching the Giants....ugh!

MelvilleFred


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:04 am EST

Klein on ice, Girardi not. Probably cant get his boot on. AV said Klein probably lost his goatee. What a stupid thing, taking a puck with one second left. Rangers were lucky. Losibg both at once woulda been bad news.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 9:29 am EST

If you made a list of all the guys who seriously had a shot to make this team after the first few rounds of perfunctory cuts, I think AV trusts JT Miller out there the LEAST. He also has other guys now like Hayes and Malone & even Mueller who was fine yesterday, winning his trust. And I think that means its some time before Miller even gets a sniff again. As stated, rightly so. Kid's had every opportunity. And when you don't seize ANY of them - especially one where the team develops a crying need due to a buyout & an injury - you wind up in a lesser league. Just the way it is. It's difficult not get excited with what we're saying from Hayes, but as Step said, it is only one game. I've liked what I've seen for a few games, but Vladimir Vorobiev had a few good games too, and anyone know WTH he is? But the thing to remember with Hayes is, we're only trying to replace Brad Richards. We don't need a world-beater, just a contributor. Even regular season totals don't mean much, we're as much of a playoff lock as anyone. Can this kid hold down a job and produce in the playoffs? Off of yesterday's game, there's little reason to think he couldn't. Still, VERY long way for that kid to go to be considered entrenched. I mention him again only cause I see Thornton's name, and just for some perspective, we were FINE in the middle in the POs, even with Stephan & Brassard banged up. Richards was the weakest of weak links. So a competent center will do. And Hayes shows signs of being more than competent, but still, patience is in order and we dont need King Kong. Thorton yesterday? I must've seen him make 10-12-15 nifty passes, I lost track after a while. The guy can distribute like Magic Johnson. Problem I keep saying with him is that's ALL he looks to do. Talk about a pass first mentality. I don't see any ambition to beat defenders 1-on-1, 2 harmless shots, little physicality, and I know we destroyed SJ on faceoffs without seeing JT's numbers, so I know they couldn't have been great. Far as Im concerned, we've gotta fluid situation in the middle. The better Hayes (or someone else) plays, the less we need to go outside.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:49 am EST

td: Agree on miller. If he is not a Center in the NHL he is not a Ranger. Not that he would be a "Bad" wing, but there are other players in the system that play wing. I mean, you have Duclair of course, Buchnevich (who looks like a MAN in the KHL from what I have seen) and Tambellini on the left side, than Kristo, Fast, Haggerty, and Nejezchleb (course he is years away) on the right side, and of course there are others who are in the hunt for 3rd or 4th line roles if things go really well. Then you have other Centers (some who already have moved to wing at the AHL level) Bourque, Iverson, Fogarty, Nieves that COULD end up on wing, and of course Hayes and Lindberg but I suspect they will never see the wing unless they just turn into a can't play without player and they have other centers just clearly out play them. Basically, Miller needs to get going at CENTER at the NHL level, and he needs to really get himself into a 2nd or 3rd line role (well 1st if he could ever get there of course but I don't see that) Most likely a 3rd line role, but with Lindberg, and Neives, perhaps Fogarty are all up and coming, and they have "3rd line" written all over them. if 2 of the 3 become NHL calibre, and one of those 2 "fails" and only plays the 4th line, that STILL means Miller would have to outplay, at BOTH ends of the ice, the other. Then he would still have Stepan, Brassard and Hayes to deal with for nice time. So Miller needs to get his 2-way game top notch, needs to make it impossible for the Rangers to not play him, and force them to trade or let walk one or two of the top 3 centers as of today (Step, Brass, Hayes) or 1 or 2 of the young up and coming guys, AND unless he is only the 4th line center, to bump one of those top 3 currently to the 4th line. Tough tough tough battle for him to win.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:36 am EST

also...is it just me or do BOTH Hayes and Duclair have crazy long legs? It looks like they are all legs when they skate around out there

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:35 am EST

SO, I didn't get to watch the game live or listen to it due to a class I had to take, and I have watched a little more than one period so far today. I can say this about Hayes, something you don't see as much as you should. When the puck is on his stick, his head is up and he is looking around. He can still go full speed and stick handle while his head is up, far too many players need to look down more often, and that allows D to close quick and catch them off guard a little, and it allows for passing lanes to open and close with the player never seeing. hayes has the ability to keep heads up, and it seems to allow him to fact quicker and see more (well duh right lol) and that has allowed him to look better and better. When he has the puck he is not moving slow, nor is anyone else, but he really seems like HE and HE alone has more time to do things. I am sure he will have ups and downs as a rookie, but I could easily see him being a top 2 center on this team long term.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:22 am EST

Ola - IMO, that was a good description of THORNTON three years ago. Now? I don't think I'd go that far...He's a guy that CAN takeover games...the tendency of that happening, however, is getting less and less. If the Sharks were giving him away, sure....I'd take a flyer...not for what they'd want for that punk though...why? 'Cause more often than not, the Joe Thornton who shows up is the same one we didn't see last night...namely the listless cruiser eating up top-line minutes.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:18 am EST

Vic - Just my speculation of course, but I pretty sure the MILLER demotion is a short-term...to sort of get his confidence back to the level where he's playing like he showed he could in pre-season...someone from the Rangers(I think AV) said their design is to have him play center during the Pack's weekend tilts...and then see where things are at next week...With the win over the Sharks, MUELLER will stay in...no doubt in my mind...so the earliest I think we'll see forward line changes would be in Montreal...said yesterday that the organization's design for Miller appears to be in the middle...and that's where they have him playing big minutes in Hartford...if there's a center promoted to either take over for Mueller or less likely, take the spot of HAYES...I could almost guarantee Mills will get the first call...Lindberg, I believe, will be kept in Hartford for the year, barring a crazy rash of injuries.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:17 am EST

I'd like to see more of this guy: http://nypost.com/2014/10/17/why-hockey-fans-cant-get-enough-of-the-maple-leafs/

Rexi29


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:16 am EST

Malone was better than I expected last night. If he can play at that level he should keep playing. Arguments for why he shouldn't play: there is a risk that he don't contribute enough in relation to how much his linemates have to cover for him because he is so slow and don't really get in on the forecheck, don't really backcheck and don't really play around the boards either. What he contributes with would be net precense. When we signed him, I was hoping that he would come here trying to rescue his career and litterary play wtih a vengance on the ice. Become more of a older Gary Roberts type who always was pissed on the ice and recklessly threw his body around creating havoc. BUT, he has done the opposite. He has a smile on his face all the time and he just seem to want to play responsibly on the ice. In camp I didn't think that was enough, but last night at least he was able to still be a postiive factor on the ice.

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:13 am EST

Glass has been a positive suprise so far!

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:12 am EST

tdchi- When Joe Thornton is on his game he is as good as anyone else out there -- almost. If you wanna get Crosby or Malkin its going to cost you [fill in the blanks]. I can't speak for everyone else, but if we are forced to pay a bounty for Joey T I wouldn't even consider it. ALSO, we don't have capspace to take him on. It was one thing to discuss it before we got Dan Boyle, now we can't fit him in. HOWEVER, looking past the cap problems, JT just signed a new deal in SJ this spring and before the inc was dry SJ started to talk about rebuilding and they stripped him of the C. IF -- and I only mean IF -- he could be had cheap in a scenario where SJ wants to dump him and he only is willing to waive for NY, for example, he would of course help.

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:07 am EST

On Duclair, I think he has been fine. Its important to remember that we more or less has played like crap in most of the games he has played in. Its not easy for a kid to play in that environment. It would feel a bit so-so if we dropped him in the near future. The kid can do a few things on the ice not many others on this team, nor in this league, can do to be honest. He moves really really well. When he gets the puck skating against a D, he is litterary very hard to get a grip on. He forces most Ds to cut their losses and back down which opens up for him to fire the puck, and he does that real well too. He is nifty when he has the puck too. I am not saying that he is a lock to keep for the rest of the year, but I wanna see him get a few more chances....

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:06 am EST

Wow, I was expecting to log on here and read all about that AWESOME game Joe Thornton had just dominating the Rangers. Man, does he ever look like a find. How he just sort of disappeared into the game and managed to keep his stats on a nice even keel...almost all zeros...zero goals...zero points...zero hits...won two faceoffs and gave away the puck once...THAT is the center we need on this team...just a guy who can shift into that cruise gear and make everyone around him look mediocre...guy who can pull in a multi-million retirement contract and we can watch diminish rapidly...maybe we should start a petition for him...really the model this franchise needs...#sarcasm

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:04 am EST

Vic- I agree on Miller. To early to pass judgement, I hope at least.

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:01 am EST

One other comment for this morning. I wasn't able to post my comments on the MILLER debate at the time but I just don't understand the consternation over him and why some are so quick to want to dump him. The kid has all the tools. He is just 21 years old. It takes some people longer to figure things out. No way in hell to I dump MILLER. He still has the potential to be an impact NHL player. If he isn't ready now who cares? What is the rush? Why does he have to show you that he is a stud right now? In my book he still has 3 or 4 years before I would BEGIN to think of him as a bust. I have no doubt he will eventually get it and when he does he could be a tremendous asset for this team. Hopefully the Rangers have the same patience with him. There is no need to panic and move him.

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 7:57 am EST

Strong game last night. Yes, they took advantage of a tired team but that is what you are supposed to do. They wouldn't have been able to do that a week or so ago. While I still don't like the SMURF LINE I did think the team just looked better with four Centers playing in position. MSL looked much better playing on the wind where he belonged. MUELLER was fine. I think the Rangers really wanted him for his ability on the PP and they only had one opportunity last night. I think he stays with the Rangers until they can figure out if he can help there or not. if he can help he will stay until STEPAN gets back. If not I would expect LINDBERG to get an opportunity with the team. McDONAGH is starting to look like McDONAGH again. I said during preseason that I'm fine with HUNWICK on the 3rd pair. He had a good game last night and that game may be completely different if he doesn't make the play on the goal line. Nice to see three guys who really needed to score get on the scoresheet in HAGS, MSL and HAYES. I thought HAYES played his best game yet and put 3 very solid periods together. He controlled the puck and made plays. He was solid defensively and stole the puck from the Sharks on several occasions. He also played a physical game and used his big body more then he has done to date. All very nice things to see. He is seizing the opportunity right now. As I said last week you can see that this kid has the potential to be this team's #1 Center in the not too distant future. STEPAN is a good player and a solid 2nd line Center in my book. He just can't do the things that HAYES can do. He could never control the puck and dominate possession like HAYES can. HAYES has a long way to go to get to that point but you can see that all of the tools are there and most importantly he has the poise with the puck that few players possess. Finally, NASH looks like a completely different player this year. He looks like the NASH I thought we were getting when he came here. He is back to cutting to the middle of the ice. He is back to looking strong on his skates. He is back to having that look like he is thinking more about scoring then being hit. When he plays this way he is an impact player. He is also playing better defensively then I have ever seen before. I hope he is able to keep healthy and continue playing at this level. PIERRE was just on the Sirius NHL channel and he commented that he thought NASH looks like he has his equilibrium back. He things NASH was still recovering from the concussion issues last year because he had so much trouble staying on his feet. This year he looks so much stronger on his skates. There may be something to that but I think the issue was more what we identified. He was playing with a overall fear of getting hurt again.

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 5:34 am EST

http://www.therichest.com/sports/hockey-sports/top-10-most-lopsided-trade-deadline-deals-in-nhl-history/4/

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:48 pm EST

Oh and Glass brings plenty....Sticking up for a teammate after a cheapshot....Need more of this....

PJ


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:27 pm EST

Real good game today.....Rangers stayed with it for 60 minutes....Oh yes the Sharks were tired but the Rangers played a real strong game....Hope Girardi is ok....McD looked like himself today....Hayes may be an answer in the middle....Hunwick isn't bad....Growing on me....

PJ


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:57 pm EST

Really nailed that one, Stepunmytoe. It is one game, singular. But its also 2-3 now where we're seeing what Hayes has in his bag of tricks, and so far it's quite a lot, a nice mix of everything. Those heads up little defensive plays, the conscientious ones, where you help a teammate out of a tough spot dont show up in boxscores, just win columns. It was huge to see that from him imo, and he didnt look out of place at all with basically two all-star caliber players.Nash btw couldve had a hat trick in this game so easy, maybe a total half inch on two shots was the difference.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:11 pm EST

Don't like how many shots Glass doesn't seem to mind taking in a fight.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:08 pm EST

Glass with another six hits tonight, but Hayes right behind him with five. Staal and Girardi blocked four shots apiece. Hunwick and Kostka will have to log some serious time next game

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 8:32 pm EST

Oh and Malone cannot sit again ! Love what he brings to the team. Anyone see him face washing Kreids after the game ? LOl. He fits.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 19 2014 8:29 pm EST

"A good player plays where the puck is. A great player plays where the puck is going to be" My favorite Gretzky quote. I'm not saying Hayes is a great player or is going to be, but I watched him closely and this quote describes him well. He really sees the play develope well with great anticipation. The puck finds him often because of this. I have noticed this in the defensive zone also. He made some very nice plays in front of Hank and also getting it out of the zone. Fingers crossed on this kid. He had a good game.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 19 2014 8:04 pm EST

Ha. Zuc says Hank wears a suit at home. Thought I saw a few different wrinkles in Hayes' game. Would be interested to see what wallsters thought.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:55 pm EST

Probably clashes too much with the suit

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:16 pm EST

Girardi's blocked shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhaBG_8WKt8

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:14 pm EST

Hank gave hunwick his broadway hat for saving a goal in the 1st

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:13 pm EST

Hank with his 51st shutout

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:08 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1m1 minute ago AV says Girardi is day to day. Received stitches from blocked shot.

DOUBLEN


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:00 pm EST

I think you just give hank a hunting knife and tell him and kostka that he can stab kostka in the heart whenever kostka's play makes him feel like it

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:55 pm EST

did they send kostka down, or he's still here feeling like a heel?

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:54 pm EST

How about this stat..41-21 Faceoff Wins. Brassard and Moore were a combined 28-6

DOUBLEN


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:54 pm EST

Allen is a lefty , big mac a righty.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:47 pm EST

If Girardi is out, we are screwed. Nothing in the system to step into that slot, no way to juggle pairings to compensate. I'd move Moore up to first pair, put Hunwick with Staal, and call up Allen to play with Klein. Let's hope it doesn't come to that

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:45 pm EST

Stemkowsi crediting Malone & Glass with ferocious forecheck at end of 1st & disallowed goal with jumpstarting Rangers. Id have to agree.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:41 pm EST

That's one shift I'm sure Klein wishes he'd missed

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:40 pm EST

Kudos to the KING also tonite for a royal performance. Well done boys. Now bring up the big boy and all will be well.

pa.rangersfan


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:40 pm EST

That was some game! We beat an undefeated Sharks team.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:36 pm EST

I'll bet Hertl wishes he'd saved some of those goals for this season

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:29 pm EST

DOES MCILRATH get called up?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:26 pm EST

Girardi's out the rest of the game. Took a puck off the ankle or the Achilles

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:25 pm EST

Now we're short 2 right defensemen. No Kostka please!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:16 pm EST

Hayes really looking good....better and better each game. Who knows, maybe he's the "lightning in a bottle" at center I posted about earlier

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:14 pm EST

Purple Haaaazzzzzeeeee

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:14 pm EST

KEVIN HAYES!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:06 pm EST

Does MSL look relieved to not be playing center?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:57 pm EST

In 24 games last season as backup to Niemi, Stalock had a .932 and 1.87.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:47 pm EST

Nash is on pace for a 95.666 goal season..... If we can get Hank the shut-out, our GAA drops from 4 to 3.33, pretty substantial....

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:47 pm EST

Nice to see us work hard and get rewarded. We're taking advantage of a tired team and a dumb goalie....but we're earning everything we're getting.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:46 pm EST

That was pretty what Nash did there. The goalie never saw it coming.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:45 pm EST

I post as he lets in the flub

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:45 pm EST

slump top :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:45 pm EST

Stalock is a pretty good kid too. Had great backup numbers last season

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:44 pm EST

R U kidding me???? NASH's slum is over :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:44 pm EST

Nice to see MSL hug a line mate and not have his head in the other guy's chest! That line has looked good all game.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:43 pm EST

Few season-firsts come so hard-fought

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:41 pm EST

MSL!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:41 pm EST

He still needs to improve on his faceoffs. 56% is better, but it still needs to improve.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:40 pm EST

I'm seeing the poise in Hayes that I've craved to see in Miller.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:29 pm EST

Nice Hagelin

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:27 pm EST

Don't think veenyo would want Thornton's speed..

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:16 pm EST

Are we playing to win or not to lose, another scoreless first period prolly another low scoring game !!

ilya


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:58 pm EST

Klein would be a candidate to go the other way. almost 3 mill salary. hasn't been able to stick above the third pair, unlikely to add that element to his game this far in to his career.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:56 pm EST

I wonder if there were any chance to be in the Spezza bidding. He didn't go for all that much. Stastny seemed intent on St. Louis

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:32 pm EST

CAP Room: Stepan is on LTIR so we can subtract $3,075,000 from those figures. Once Stepan comes back, at least 1 player must go just to afford Stepan....

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:23 pm EST

AV better have this team pushing the pace today. Roll 4 and short shift em. Run the Sharks into the ground ! They're on long road trip and finished a game hours ago. Will be very disappointed if we lose this one ! Enough excuses. Most interested in Kreids game today. He needs to get to potting some. LGR !

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:07 pm EST

It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when" a big trade is going to happen....at least one. Unless We catch alighting in a bottle and somehow our center problems get fixed, we're gonna have to trade for one....I think there's a good chance we'll be watching him in today's game. 20 games max before a trade goes down...

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:59 pm EST

Send Kostka & Hunwick down & you have another$1250000 = $5,413,797....almost there.. And as far as affording a defenseman, if Klein is going the opposite direction, there's possibilities..jmhonaturally

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:52 pm EST

E.Staal: 31-32 y/o, $8.25mill 2yrs..J.Thornton 35 y/o, $6.75mill 3yrs.... I believe we have approx $2.79mill in cap space today.. Ship DuClaw to Jr's, Mueller to The Pack, gives you $4,163,797 in Cap Room.

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:52 pm EST

Mess: I think the problem is not just who the player is, but the cost against the cap - both in terms of this year (and the potential need to add a NHL-caliber D at the trading deadline) but also who it impacts signing our core RFAs/UFAs for next season. Not sure that either Thorton or Staal would be the wisest choice.

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:11 pm EST

As recently as 2011-2012, Staal was up there in the top-10 C list pretty consistently.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:59 pm EST

For all the criticism of Thornton, (and I share in some) only ten centers scored at least 70 points last season. He had 76.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:56 pm EST

R47: that would be Lindberg, Lombardi's gone. Agree on the center. Maybe Hayes becomes a key component..Long season......

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:42 pm EST

Mess: You are so right! :) I meant to say Lindberg...

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:36 pm EST

Lombardi is gone.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:11 pm EST

Aside from the problems we are having at C prior to the return of Stepan, there's no way you can go deep into the playoffs without considering what happens if one or more of our Cs go down with injury. We REALLY need to be sure that we have a bit more depth there at some point this season. Hopefully Hayes gives us one more solid center and then either Mueller or Miller or Lombardi show that they can fill in if needed. Still, IMHO trading for a top 1C would be a priority if I were Sather. Prefer it NOT be Jumbo (and especially don't want to see Buch go in the trade).

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 1:23 pm EST

We already have two great and good 2C and one of the best 4C in the league. Either we aim to underachieve and get/play depth 3C or aim to excel and get true 1C

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 1:12 pm EST

Didn't mean to imply that we go looking for a quintessential 1st line center...

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 1:04 pm EST

you're not going to 'discover' a 1C who has been masquerading as a 32-year-old 20 point scorer. You have to draft one, sign one, or trade for one.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:56 pm EST

JT Miller is no replacement for Glass, who as noted leads team in hits with minimal ice. JT is not the answer to anything right now, except most shuttled Ranger. I must note the little bugger did it again though. Everytime he's sent packing he scores his first game. Must be 5-6 times now. Its incanny. That said, I cant even take thinking about that kid anymore right now. Talk about not grabbing the brass ring. Sheesh.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:44 pm EST

Well, for the time being, Nash is finding the back of the net.....

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:42 pm EST

We can't afford a $6,$7,$8 million dollar 1st line center... I believe we can win the whole Enchilada if we "discover" a center & bolster the defense. Dom Moore & or Brian Boyle playing 3rd line center last year didn't get it done.......An upgrade over Kevin Klein, and an extensive 24/7 NY Ranger clinic for John Moore until he get's his reads down right "MOORE" (ha ha) of the time... My Rosy Ranger Glasses have me believing he's worth the investment & he will come around.... As for Tanner Glass, I could see JT Miller replacing him & saving us $500K "IF" we needed to find half a mill in Cap...... Back to center; in the inpatient interim, Hayes is the current experiment, I hope this kid succeeds, then we can have GAUSTAD playing 4th line center. :-) Yes, at $3.25mill

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:37 pm EST

No. We out-hit LA. They out-offensed us by a lot more. Toughness doesn't get pucks by Quick, and we had no match to Gaborik/Kopitar

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:24 pm EST

Reflecting back to the SCF against LA, Gaustad would have certainly helped the spine of this team. No?

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:20 pm EST

And before I forget, somebody knock Hertl on his #$%! ass today! That's right, I almost cursed. On a Sunday no less. I'm pumped. Let's get it on.....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:11 pm EST

Hospo, it's funny. They asked Sather about the advanced metrics, because the team has hired a guy and AV is a proponent. All Sather said was it helps the coaches cause I don't think he gives two shits and is old school. You can tell the real players by watching them, put together the puzzle and get them playing for each other. That's chemistry and thats what we have here. Took forever but no point going there. Pretty sure we've won more playoff games than anybody in the east last 3 years, just got to take the final step.TD should be along any minute to blare how Joe Thornton is not that step LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:08 pm EST

Gaustad's best NHL numbers barely substantiates a third-line role here. Need a true 1C that pushes Stepan and Brass down to natural production roles. 3C is perfect slot to audition kids like Miller, Hayes, Lindberg, like it was for Anisimov. Not an over-30 plodder who might never again crack 20 points.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:00 pm EST

RABID - The type of player I have wanted for years...GAUSTAD ain't gonna happen though.....But, IMWO, the Rangers will have to aquire somebody with those physical characteristis by the deadline.......RF73/JFC - The CORSI and FENWICK crap definetly have it's purposes for player evaluation but I remains to be seen, like with MONEYBALL and SABERMETRICS (WAR, BABIP, xOBP, etc..) in baseball, how many front offices (not the nerdy fans) will embrace it and begin to rley on it.....You Know, like the Oakland A's who haven't won a WS in ages when the SF Giants are one of the least saber-inclined orgs in baseball...Chemistr, character, ,roles and the locker room mean so much in every sport when talent is spread out everywhere

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:57 am EST

BTW MF, Gaudstad is 6-5 and quite nasty. He's only broken 30 pts twice but I'd sacrifice some offense to be tougher to play against with strength up the middle. Still, doubtful it happens, or Hanzel happens, though you never know what the future will bring. I think like it or not we end up with the guy who'll be at the Garden today. All around might be the best buy for the price, which I dont think will be anything we can't live with. Then again, wtf do I know? Buchnevich with another beauty, BTW.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:52 am EST

More than boyle and stralman combined, in fact

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:46 am EST

I'll tell you why Glass stays in. He is the team's hits leader, with about 150% of what the next most provides. He accomplished this despite being fifteenth in TOI.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:45 am EST

MF, Gaudstad is a guy Rangers were interested in when he was in Buffalo, but he signed a big deal that didn't make sense while we still had Brian Boyle. Might make sense now but don't think Nashville moves him. They're a very under the radar team.Had I think 94 pts without Renne a big chunk of the year.Trotz out, Laviolette in, think they look to add this year and make a run. That said who knows, we've got the pieces to trade for just about anybody.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:38 am EST

Or a turnover and breakaway

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:37 am EST

Good morning: On the heels of the HANZAL post, I went trolling through some rosters looking for a center and defensemen... Figured Nashville to be at the bottom of the barrel when lo & behold they're sitting in 5th place in the entire league.... Was figuring they may regret trading Kevin Klein for MDZ... In any event, the radar focused on PAUL GASTAUD as a center for the the third line behind a healthy Stepan & Brassard is very intriguing.. 6'3" 235lbs, way above avg on faceoff's, signed this year & next for $3.25 mill..(The Hockey News: Has a massive frame and an ""aggressive nature."" Is solid at both ends of the ice and a notable complementary forward. Can play both center and wing. He's brilliant in the dot.) ... One thing is, Stepan is NOT healthy, and we can not bank on the outcome of his recovery.. If Stepan does in fact make a full recovery, Gastaud knocks Hayes out of center, unless Hayes displaces someone else. It's not the worst thing in the world, it seems like itr would be more of the same "good dilemma" due to the current depth of the franchise....... Occupying a familiar seat in the cellar, are the Edmonton Oilers.. Can anyone here chime in with their evaluation of Edmonton's Defensemen, MARK FAYNE, JEFF PETRY? Fayne seems built like Marc Staal and Petry is also 6'3" on paper those two look like a potential awesome partners for MarK Staal......

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:24 am EST

I hope they show veenyo that line because the speed of the puck is faster than skatin. Even a 5 foot pass size to side can create those better odds of scoring.... Rocket science for dummies...play the Vegas way....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:23 am EST

Yankees teams in '77 & '78 won the World Series and by all accounts, the locker room was full of cliques, and guys who flat out disliked each other. No NHL hockey team would ever win a championship with that kind of team dynamic. That's because baseball is a bunch of individuals playing on the same field. "Team work" is basically a technical function (double plays, hitting the cutoff man, pitcher covering fist base on a ball hit to the right side, etc). Therefore, individual stats mean a lot. Hockey is a true team sportbwhete players are dependent on each other. That's why stats don't work as well.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:04 am EST

Mueller has some nice PP credentials. Mueller-Glass-Malone is another interesting look by AV. two big dudes snd Mueller is stocky and strong on his skates. That makes 3 of 4 lines today I kinda like the look of. But St Louis with Brass & Zuc is a Herb Brooks smurf lind I just cant get my head around.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:02 am EST

Oops...Ranger47, not 73....jeez, I am getting old!

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:56 am EST

RF73 -- it would seem that Corsi stats might be better applied to the top 6-9 forwards. Even the 3rd line would be harder pressed to measure up because they often play with the 3rd defensive pairing. I think there's a place for these stats, but the article you posted really illustrates the folly of drawing broad conclusions based on the stats. The stats should be just PART of the equation.... objective measures are not always as accurate as subjective measures in hockey so the stats need to be put in perspective

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:50 am EST

Hospo -- old school....guilty as charged! I find a lot of the new stats interesting but there's just so much more that goes into playing hockey. One very interesting analysis which I saw last week in the Rangers post-game show was really something that might actually change the way the game is coached and played. They have found that if you draw an imaginary line from the center ice dot to the goal, that imaginary line seems to be a key in how successful scoring chances are. They have found that if the puck crosses that line in the offensive zone (from right to,left or visa versa) subsequent shots on goal have a 1 in 3 chance of going in. When the puck simply stays on one side without crossing that line, the odds are 1 in 34 (?). And it makes sense because any time you get the goalie moving side-to-side, the holes open up tremendously. This might change the way players approach the game....they might be more willing to,try and thread a pass to a closely checked guy heading to the net on the other side of the imaginary line rather than shoot because the odds of shooting and scoring are so low. Then again, a shot that results in a rebound might have the same effect as the puck being passes across that imaginary line. But, I really can foresee a stat like this really changing the game and the approach in the offensive zone. Puck movement is going to be paramount. Perhaps, this is why a guy like Zucc seems to try to make "fancy" passes at the expense of,shooting. Who knows? But I dol think it's an important evaluation that will change the game.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:20 am EST

The dweebification of the game continues...gimme an effin break with these knobs behind their keyboards who never picked up a stick in their lives. Glass has been fine. Hes been banging people, what we signed him for. And hes been doing it with a cranky back. Hey, isnt Jumbos' audition today? Garrioch says its expected we'll be in the market for a center at some point. In the meantime, pretty sure today we ice the biggest line in NYR history, Kreider-Hayes-Nash. Interested to see what they do.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:14 am EST

JFC: You raise an interesting question. Is Corsi and other stats a better metric for a class of players (i.e. those expected to score goals. those who are given more time in the O zone with top D behind them) than others who are role players on top lines or who are paired with bottom D and expected to contribute in other ways than scoring? Obviously, their effectiveness in enabling other players and providing chemisty (or protection) to the rest of the team can't be minimized.

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:11 am EST

JFC - Must be us old guys hanging on to tradition! :)

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:04 am EST

TDCHI - Obviously, MILLER can do it in the AHL but not in the NHL..Hockey is loaded with these tyoe of players...BUt, Rangers need that to continue so they can keep his trade value high for their upcoming deal for a real center

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:01 am EST

RF73 -- seems to me that a lot of these metrics which are all the rage in the NHL right now don't even come close to accurately measuring a player's worth to his team....especially when these stats gurus go backwards into a players's career before such evaluations even existed. I guarantee that there are a lot of players who's careers are very well regarded suddenly are going to be besmirched by going back and applying these metrics....the stats geeks will conclude....jeez, this guy really wasn't that good....and they'd be dead wrong. I wonder what kind of Corsi rating a guy like Marty McSorley or Dave Semenko has? Does it really matter? Anyone who knows hockey will tell you that those guys were extremely important to the Oilers dynasty. Hockey is a sport of intangibles....how do you measure locker room presence? how a guy makes his team mates feel secure on the ice? how a guy goofing around on the goalie keeps a team loose and everyone grounded? How certain types of players are needed in a locker room to create that "All for one" attitude that is so important in this sport? I think trying to evaluate a guy like Tanner Glass to a guy like Jesper Fast ( who basically says very little and is a non-descript personality) using Corsi stats is really not productive. Higher end guys, maybe a bit more....but, still....this ain't baseball....much more going on than meets the eye or the stats.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:00 am EST

This douche again? How can you contribute LESS than JT MILLER and JASPER FAST? There is obviously a role for advanced stats in hockey as it is in baseball, but until these bozos realize that heart, chemistry, team make up, the locker room and roles mean something, they are not worth listening to..Yes, Glass hasn't been much of anything yet this year,,,nor as 75% of the team,,,,But he should be an important part of the the team chemistry, make-up,, etc..as the season goes along.....If not him, a player like him is needed..not a JYT MILLER or a JASPER FAST...All I know is that according to every baseball sabermetician, the SF Ginats should have never been in the POs anytime in the past 5 years let alon be in the position to win their THIRD..Be Objective and combine advanced stats with common sense, and maybe you have something...Not this hogwash

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:33 am EST

Rangers continue to keep Tanner Glass on roster, for some reason...Ben Valentine, Sporting News...Let me start by saying this: I don’t know Tanner Glass as a person. He might be the nicest guy on the planet. Maybe he’s Mother Teresa, Gandhi and Santa Claus rolled into one. Unfortunately, the first two people were not known for their work along the boards and the third’s slap shot is confined to an Arctic fantasy team. Likewise, Tanner Glass’ hockey game does not appear to be NHL quality. But on Friday the Rangers shipped two other players, Jesper Fast and J.T. Miller, to the AHL while Glass, a player who contributes far less, remained on the team. Glass ranks at the bottom, with Dominic Moore and Carl Hagelin, on the Rangers in Corsi +/- , which measures the shots on goal, missed shots and blocked shots that occur while a player is on the ice. Glass is minus-10. A plus is when the Rangers generate one of those opportunities and a minus is when the opposition does. Switch to Fenwick, which is a similar measure but without blocked shots, and Glass is at the very bottom. These are just fancy ways of saying the Rangers have given up far more shooting opportunities when Glass is on the ice than off it, which is a bad thing. Yes, he's physical. But that alone isn't enough. A bruiser and a fighter can still generate good puck-possession numbers. Just look at Patrick Maroon of the Ducks, who had the highest relative Corsi rating on the team last season. While the sample size is small, the lack of productivity isn't new for Glass. This has been the case his whole career. And given that Glass contributes very little in the traditional ways like goals and assists, it boggles the mind that he’s still getting ice time, though he did sit out the third period of Thursday's shootout victory over the Hurricanes. So why does Glass seem to have a guaranteed roster spot in the NHL, unlike Miller and Fast? Looks as though it's about money. Glass’s contract is NHL-caliber; he's in the first year of a three-year deal that carries a cap hit of $1.45 million. Maybe Miller and Fast aren't the answer, but at least they generated more positive results while they were on the ice and they have more upside. And with the Rangers (2-3-0) struggling at the start of their season, icing a veteran whose numbers have never been good seems to be far more counterproductive than hoping youth develops. Again, it’s nothing personal with Glass. He could be a pretty nice guy. And he’s certainly far better at hockey than I’ll ever be. But that doesn’t mean he'll help the Rangers win games, now or in the future. That should be a requirement of a player on game night.

RF73


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:41 am EST

From Page Six: Which team last year filed a complaint with the NHL, alleging circumvention committed by the Rangers when Martin Biron retired instead of accepting a demotion to the AHL and soon after took a job with MSG-TV?........http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/marty-should-retire-on-own-terms/..

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:31 am EST

tdchi the question is why? jt jitters can play in the ahl but has a hard time in the nhl?......the speed of the nhl game is what he needs to get accomplished both mentally and physically. kid k wasn't trying in the ahl, jitters wasn't in the nhl, or is just not ready and may never be with the nyr. he's putting himself with the help of veenyo to become a trading chip to get an nhl experienced center......

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:11 am EST

Watched the Hartford game against Portland(Arizona's farm team) and while the score makes it seem like it was a close, the Pack really dominated them for long stretches of the game...Pack look as good if not better than I've ever seen the team. There were times when they just kept Portland pinned in their own zone for minutes at a time. And that was 5-on-5...MILLER had a good game as I expected he would...played on a line with FAST and Chris BOURQUE that got the bulk of the minutes...His goal, which turned out to be the GWG, was pretty nice..worked the puck along the boards, chipped it past the defender and went 2-on-0 with Fast and just powered it past the Portland goalie topshelf waterbottle...LINDBERG was centering a line of HAGGERTY and Ryan BOURQUE...was thinking he was having a pretty quiet game until the third when he threaded Haggerty with a sweet pass...McILRATH was paired with ALLEN, which was the first pairing...BODIE with NOREAU...defense looked solid all around...DESJARDINS is the best thing to happen to the Pack since Talbot was promoted. Guy is solid...From my limited observations, I can say if this organization has soured on Miller or isn't thinking he's in their future, they've got a real funny way of showing it...He played huge minutes in the game. Top PP unit...took most of the crucial face offs...And like I said, he responded well...had a real solid game...Miller has the ability to work the boards very well. If he can stop someone along the boards, he's gonna come up with the puck. And that's something I think they want to see when he's playing in the NHL...but haven't really seen yet.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:58 pm EST

http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1013504

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:33 pm EST

Miller GWG for Htfd.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:08 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/rangers-coach-vigneault-still-waiting-for-miller-time/

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 7:59 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/rangers-continue-to-scuffle-at-center/

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 6:52 pm EST

Bathgate: good post. I agree, though I haven't seen a large sample McI, what I have seen is that his his skating is good enough to get by. He has other intangibles that this team lacks. There are plenty of defensemen who's skating is not exactly their strong suit. That's why a lot of them are defensemen. I sense a Torts like stubbornness from AV regarding him. Our back end sorely needs a physical presence that he possesses. I am praying he gets a look see but feel we won't see it happen.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 18 2014 5:43 pm EST

on not bringing up Mcilrath it is stupid on AV and the Rangers part, I believe that at this point he is a much better option and player than either Hunwick or Kostka I understand for the mobility and speed on the Defense, but I do not believe that either Hunwick or Kostka are N.H.L. caliber and will not significantly get better, and for what I have seen John Moore while quick and a better skill set does not really do much, remember the Bruins in 2011 and now are not overly blessed with speed on the backline and they won a cup and went to the finals with that group, also I understand sending Miller down rather than not dressing and Duclair while good probably needs to go back to junior, having D. Moore anything more than a fourth line center does not bode well, I would probably have let Miller play here and grow into the position no patience by AV here and Miller not going to learn more at the A.H.L. level, and I cannot see a trade until all hands are back as Emile Francis used to say on trades the best ones are made when the team is going good as opposed when you are not doing well.

Bathgate9


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:57 pm EST

MF, very true. AV had a lot of whittling to do. Still not so sure that wasn't a bit of a mind game with Malone, but he did have to give the kids their shot and it became very tight. At least he did it quick.3-4 games and JT & Fast were outta here.TD, again, you're on the JT bus full speed ahead, and that's fine. But seems clear to me a decision on Duclair gets made right about the time Step will be set to return. If any thing they'll be looking for a wing at that point, if Duclair is Q bound. And if so, sounds like Haggerty is next in line and rightly so. Give somebody else a look already, this isn't the JT Miller show(I'm talkin bout them, not you).Arguably a guy like Hrivic didn't fare much worse than JT in camp yet is forgotten. And if another center ever gets a frickin shot here, it sure as hell better be Lindberg's turn!! I'd bet anything he'd put up a better line than that -4 listless audition we saw from Miller.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:45 pm EST

This is pretty funny.For one, thought it was obvious Miller was more effective at wing. Said it all summer, even thought when they said Kristo was going to play center (which was apparently a short-lived idea) it was with the intention of replacing JT on the depth chart. Except the Rangers not only needed a center coming into the year, they may now want to market Miller as a center. We cant italicize text here, but if I could that word 'market' would stand out. Like if for instance you were trading for a center and your trade partner needed one in return to replace the guy they were giving up. Anyway, I can't blame the NYR, they drafts JT as a center and he had AHL success as one. But at this point,mJT Miller has garnered far more attention than his performance has justified, and I'd just as soon move on. Funny part is Hayes said he was more comfortable at wing, but here he is in the middle looking pretty damn good. Very interested to see how he looks tomorrow with Nash & Kreider.Talk about getting a turn with two premier wingers. Nash is NHL tally king right now and for Kreider (who Hayes is very familiar with) it's been a stealth like start but lookout. He is going to pop a few home soon and not a stop.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:24 pm EST

HOSPO: I did post: .. If & when he's recalled, I try him on LW with Brassard / MZA. At least in practice, give it a whirl.....

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:08 pm EST

E that may true, but what seems to also be true is the nyr play braver when a guy like clowe or big mac are playing with them to back them up. ....sort of like whiskey muscles.....speed speed speed the blue smurfs had, you need some size and physical grit....the blacknblueshirts only make cameos instead of always showing up for 60 minutes every game.....intangibles......

stevielegs


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:03 pm EST

TDCHI/MF - "Org said today they want MILLER in the middle...one of the beat reporters did say he's more comfortable on the wing..." Let's see, player says he's more comfortable on wing and basically fails every time he's put at C in the NHL.......I don't know, to me, those are two pretty big clues that the organization is being wrong and stubborn....There are alot of players, and I think JT MILLER is one, where the type of game they play in the AHL is totally diffetent then what they can play in the NHL becasue of the huge jump in talent, speed and responsibilities...Play him at wing..

Hospo


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:51 pm EST

I was cruising on by and one thing that I don't understand is, why the thought that in some way McIlrath is a savior. His footwork isn't there, his decision making is putting it mildly suspect. He just isn't an NHL player at this stage. He could be a goon but is that what you really want him for? The concept that McIlrath will in some way keep the head shots down on players like MZA or MSL is odd to me. For starters, MZA is a physical little asshole who gets his nose in everything. Of course someone is going to try to destroy him. That's the game. And people have been trying to stop MSL his whole career and he has shown himself to be pretty sturdy. I hate the concept of size for sizes sake. You need hockey players not fights. The NYR are built on a wicked transition game with defenseman very skilled at outlet passes that spread the neutral zone and enable the team to carry the puck into the zone with speed. As I see it there isn't much in the NYR pipeline right now that has identified serious NHL ability other than Skjei and Allen. I put McIlrath beneath both. I don't see him as part of the solution if at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up cut bait at some point. The only way to survive is team-wide toughness. You punish the other team with finished checks, take away time and space, push the pace, and draw the penalties. Fights? Who cares? Is that gonna get you wins the way things are going in the league. What I want is speed, speed, and speed. And a heavy team that controls the boards. Other than that? McIlrath can apply his toughness all over the NHL until he radically ups his game and becomes an NHL defenseman. I'm pulling for him, but right now? I see him getting the occasional cup of coffee. Yeh him. Get me Allen. Big guy, good skating, good stick, high IQ, developing. He's gonna be an NHL defenseman. And soon enough St. Skjei will be here to save the day (when he becomes a pro eventually.) peace out y'all.

E


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:43 pm EST

RR - success and talent are two entirely different things...MALONE has had success...POULIOT has a lot of talent...the latter has been an enigma since he was drafted...and while I wouldn't say Malone was a surprise, he certainly far exceeded any career expectations the Pens had when he was drafted.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:41 pm EST

mf - Org said today they want MILLER in the middle...one of the beat reporters did say he's more comfortable on the wing...I haven't seen much evidence of that...and every time I've seen him with the Pack he's in the middle.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:40 pm EST

stepunmytoe - It's there, trust me. It all depends on his comfort level...I see it in the AHL a lot...less so in the NHL...Actually, he played a very aggressive game during his cameo in the playoffs...that's really what I'm referring to...He's not a soft player and if he's playing a soft game, that's another reason why he's in the AHL right now.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:21 pm EST

No argument that Stralman got better defensively and can be a top four on a number of teams. But his offense never improved to that point for us, especially given the makeup of our other top-three. We had almost no O from D last season and that was evident from our PP problems, inability to match with LA. Boyle should solve that. Stralman wouldn't have been able to. Only other option was to keep him and move Klein but we'd pay so much more in tht instance

Messier11


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:05 pm EST

Miller may be substantially more comfortable playing aggressive on the wing as opposed to center..... If & when he's recalled, I try him on LW with Brassard / MZA. At least in practice, give it a whirl.....

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:03 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/you-go-down-and-be-best-player?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1413654697

puckyou


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:55 pm EST

TD; I am a fan of Millers and am pulling for the kid. However, the "sandpaper" in his game you mention has been non existent. I think that's what has disappointed me most in his performance this year. I can understand he may have been struggling in other areas, but jeez how bout playing a rougher brand of hockey to compensate for the slow start.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:53 pm EST

Cant get into all that now TD, but at least lets tone it doen eith the fabled superskills of Puliot vs Malone.one of the two has SIX 20 goal seasons and it aint Benny, who's never had one.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:53 pm EST

MZA / BRASSARD / NASH ... with ... (MCD - Girardi) & or ) STAAL & -KLEIN/HUNWICK

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:36 pm EST

I don't like MSL & MZA on the same line. Nearly every check thrown by the opposition will have potential to be reviewable as a headshot. I'd definitely want McI available to put out on D w/that line.

LeoS


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:36 pm EST

Count me as one that does really like HAYES centering KREIDER and NASH...I would have thrown MSL on the right, but the one thing Hayes really likes doing is controlling the puck, using his body to create space and then carrying it around the net...get two guys who have good shots buzzing with him and that could equal some goals.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:34 pm EST

TDCHI - Totally disagee. Last year is done. out of sight out of mnd. I only care about the team they came to camp with..They lost Stepan to injury..ONE PLAYER (forwards)..it should not be causing so much chaos, hesitation, and constant 24 hour reversals, as is happening with...Basically, the entire camp was a waste as it appears it gave AV no insight oif who to play.....Now he's just trying everything all over again....Poor job in my books....The team has talent and can fight their way through if if the players are put in the right spots..something AV shiuld have already learned.. ,

Hospo


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:27 pm EST

Good Morning.... Yakapov: the 1st Ranger that comes to mind is Hagelin, both the same size LHS, except The Yak probably has much higher scoring potential & is 5 years younger..... MSL is on pace to have 65.6 assists this year..... Line Bingo for 1000 Alex: Coach Aveeno Oatmeal needs to get something cast in stone.. If it can't be an entire line, let's settle for some pairs...... The CJC recommends establishing a 4th line & building up & out.. 4th line: GLASS / MOORE / HAGELIN ...... Another line, number it as it pleases you: MALONE / BRASSARD / MZA...... STEMPNIAK / MUELLER / MSL ....... KREIDER / HAYES / NASH ............ Of those 4 lines: I'd keep the 4th line set as stated: variations: (KREIDER or STEMPNIAK) / BRASSARD / MZA ........ MSL / HAYES / NASH (at lease try it in practice for G-ds sake) MALONE / MUELLER / STEMPNIAK........... If we need to break up MSL/HAYES/NASH....... We could try: MALONE / MUELLER / MSL....... STEMPNIAK / HAYES / NASH............... As far as beating up on AV, he did have to sort through a lot of personnel to whittle it down to where it is now.. I think the most obvious second guessing against the guy was benching Malone for the 1st 3 games... As for a trade, this next one has to be carefully thought out.. I'd rather experiment with MUELLER for the next several matches than screw up a trade..... jmho naturally..

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:23 pm EST

RR - Totally disagree. I know it's easy to point to what AV said last year and how Miller is getting shuffled a lot...but the fact of the matter is Miller is a unique player in this system. The Rangers don't have someone else with his size and skill set who plays a sandpaper game like he does...they simply don't...I know fans are frustrated --hell, I'm frustrated --that he can't seem to pull it all together...but the lightbulb will go on for this kid and watch out when it does...And I stand by my comparison to KREIDER...very similar situations...same ages...same long-term 'project' players...both USNTDP products...both with gold medals from the WJC....I don't want to get back into our arguments over Kreider...but the truth is, the player you say can bring people out of their seats was leaving butts in them for a full season before he turned it around. I remember watching Kreider during his final season at BC and then seeing him in Hartford and then NY. It was like night and day...like someone had blown out the candle...and I also remember people crying about how Tortorella "hated" Kreider because he wouldn't move him from third line to one of the top lines or give him big minutes...even though the kid looked awful in every regular season game he played that year...but lo and behold, the patience paid off...The Rangers have no need to move Miller right now...in fact, they have no need to move anyone...and now the talk is that Miller will play the weekend in Hartford and could be primed for a recall afterward...I would watch what happens with DUCLAIR very closely, because once he's on a bus back to Quebec, I bet we'll see Miller back in the lineup. Not a matter of if...matter of when.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:22 pm EST

td -- the loss of Step is a given and a definite problem....but on D, he has the same setup basically as he had last year minus Stralman, who for much of the year was bottom 6, so I dont give AV as much slack. We didn't have a PP quarterback last year and played well. The team just is not playing well right now and that shouldn't be happening considering the vast majority of the players KNOW his system and are comfortable with it.....they are just not executing and jumbled lines are contributing to the mess.

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:09 pm EST

Hospo - Not to make excuses for AV or the Rangers, but they're not missing JUST one player...they're missing their top center and their powerplay quarterback...and really, you've got to cut the coach a little slack here...He lost four integral players...and replacing them ain't easy, ESPECIALLY with two of your top guys out...Like it or not, the Rangers that left the ice after losing to the Kings were breaking up. There was simply no way to keep that team together...RICHARDS was the first one who was obviously gone...that means gone is your second-line center and pointman on the PP...even if you take a grim look at his performance, the simple fact was Richards contributed A LOT to this team...then we lose the free agents...Someone said here STRALMAN'S loss was really significant...I totally agree...perhaps the most significant of the three, really....he held down that top-four defensive position...and while BOYLE might offer a temporary solution there, he's out...And that's not to minimize the absence of POULIOT...Again, a player who's skill set is VERY difficult to replace. Some are saying MALONE is a 'no-brainer' to do it...I totally disagree...he's not even half the talent that Pouliot is on a bad day...then who else is out there? HAYES or MILLER are probably the closest in skill-set, but one is playing in the center to compensate for the absence of Step and the other simply couldn't hack it at this time...And that's not to trivialize the loss of Brian BOYLE...the guy was good at faceoffs, played huge minutes on the PK and, though he got somewhat of a bum rap here for being soft, he DID bang a lot. And while Tanner GLASS and Malone are good adds, they're still barely compensating for what we lost with the big guy...I totally concur with what AV is doing...he knows this team is a bit of a clusterf@ck because of the two injuries...and he knows he has four huge holes to patch...so he's seeing what works now so that he's not swapping around lines mid-season like his jackass predecessor was wont to do...AV's got a full plate. And I think he's doing a good job swapping guys around...He rightly canned the MSL-at-center move, rightly sent down Miller...is rightly giving Mueller a shot to hold down fourth line...and rightly giving DUCLAIR a rest, hopefully before he heads back to the Q. The only complaint I have with him now is that he's not calling for McILRATH.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:04 pm EST

I wouldnt take much comfort in those words if Im JT, TD. Feels like his goose is cooked this time. I know you compared it to Kreider last year, but CK had an ability to be dominant, to lift people out if their seats & leave an impression thats unmistakable. Not that JT cant impress with solid play. I just dont know when he gets chance again.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:00 pm EST

tdchi -- actions speak louder than words....AV can say whatever he wants about Miller....the fact is that he sent him down AGAIN and has a history of criticizing the kid in words and deeds. Of course he wants Miller to stay confident and play well in Hartford....he's not going to throw salt in the wound by taking parting shots at the kid....that would hurt the organization. But, I'd consider AV's words a backhanded compliment.

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:57 am EST

I can see AVs logic, just dont like it all that much. Some is not his doing entirely, square pegs. But CK-Hayes-Nash is HUGE and reunites BC linemates. He keeps Brass-Zuc together, mandatory imo. And I like Stemp with Moore, pure checking unit the coach needs to max by matching vs SJ. The rest is mish mash. Hopefully he gives Malone a few more turns with Zuc like the other night.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:54 am EST

I was calling for Brass-Zucc-MSL last year and AV did try it a few times but did not have enough patience to let them mesh....probably because he tried it much later in the season than he is now. Zucc should easily be able to switch to LW....he's a lefty, he played it in Sweden and he's simply a crafty player who sees the ice so well. However, I do worry about the lack of size on that line....I think it will be a killer on the PP but at ES they might take a lot of physical punishment. If AV is going to put that line together, he needs to BE PATIENT, use them on the PP as a unit and give them time to figure things out. Another worry is that line trying to be too fancy and passing too much, but I do like those 3 together.

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:54 am EST

And the Rangers should send the Duke down to Quebec. If he cannot get into the lineup ahead of Chris Mueller, he needs to play the big minutes in juniors.

Bob


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:52 am EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers AV confirms that Duclair will be scratched Sunday "the 12 other forwards right now give us a good chance to win" #NYR

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:50 am EST

I suspect the Rangers will be Shark bait tonight. I find it interesting that lines seem to be like a Boggle cube, whatever comes out after shaking it up and dumping it out. Most teams use preseason to establish lines and such. Saw the Wild live last night....now THERE is a team. Fast, skilled, tough and all over the puck. They lost a game 2-1 that they should have won 5-0 in Anaheim. There adherence to the system and moving the puck was exemplary.

Bob


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:49 am EST

Well, I guess maybe all this 'AV hates Miller' talk was a little premature: Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV praises Miller's attitude/behavior as "very professional." Says Miller has "a lot of upside."

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:48 am EST

Told you guys MOORE would end up on third line...Say what you will about AV's coaching...the guy uses simple logic with his lines..he's doing almost the same thing he did last year, which is using the first month of the season like an extended camp...HAYES-KREIDER is a no-brainer if MSL comes out of the center and MILLER is in Hartford. MUELLER is a bottom-line center built like a brick shithouse. The kid is like 5'11 and 215 or something..gets another righty into the lineup...my only question now is how he gets MSL and ZUCC on the same line. That's like a munchkin line.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:43 am EST

Well, Stepan was a stretch for a number 1 center. Losing him means that we have a definite no. 2 as a no. 1, and nothing even close to a number 2 behind him. Just a rookie, an AHLer, and a great special teams C.

Messier11


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:34 am EST

The Rangers are missing one player, and everything crumbles? If it does, it's becasue of one person. AV...Look, we have a hole at Top 2 line center but this team also has talent..The problem is, right now, AV has zero clue how to use it and what to do with individual players...He's already jumping to conclusions, wasting players and jusut throwing crap on the wall...Hopefully he eventually gets it like last year but right now, the ho-hum play lies at him...Waht a difference between watching AV coach the Rangers and Bruce Bochy manage my Giants....!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:45 am EST

Been wanting Kreider and Hayes put together for obvious reasons. Hoping it lites a bit of a fire under Kreiders butt. Please try Malone with Brass and Zucc AV ! The problem that might keep rearing it's ugly head is that I don't believe neither Mueller or Moore are suited for 3rd line center. Got no choice now I guess. Hope for the best.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:45 am EST

You're right p.a. it befuddled me last year when they made the deal. Nash & Zuc are two damn good RWs in front of MSL. And now Stempniak's our best player lol. Idk, Step can't get back quick enough, settle this thing down!!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:39 am EST

R.R., just seems like AV can't find a spot for MSL.Throwin' shit at the wall to see what sticks.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:35 am EST

Just got off the phone my boy KIS. Completely out of his mind with trade scenarios! OV, Ladd, E.Staal, and anyone else he could think of. All for JT by the way. Told him to post his nonsense on here for all to see. F@#$% crack-pot!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:30 am EST

Mueller is between Glass & Malone. Moore with Stemp & Hags. MSL with Brassard & Zuc. WTH AV? He comes up with the weirdest sh!t.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:26 am EST

DuClair out of mix at practice. Hayes is between Nash & Kreider.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:17 am EST

Ordinarily JFC, I'd be with you all the way. I always want the team set by end of summer. This year's a bit different I think. Most of all, whoever they bring in has to be the right fit. So, any scouting that might be going on now is important. Like I was alluding to with MSL & Thornton, with the older guys especially you never know when parts of their game are going to leave them, entirely and permanently. Plus there were so many ? With the kids, dont want to be wrong there either and give up the wrong ones. So, important period of assessment here. But Sather's trigger finger usually gets itchy around Thanksgiving. So it may not be too long.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 9:38 am EST

I know that the season is very, very early but IMO it's pretty obvious where our strengths and weaknesses are. With that being the case, I see no reason for Slats to not make a deal SOON to address the issues....if, of course, there are deals available....who knows? But if there are, I'd like to see him pull the trigger on at least one deal to shore up a weak spot....center, in particular. Why wait if you can get a guy now and let him ha e basically the whole season with the team. I'll stick with my early prediction that a deal will be made by game 20. And yes it's early, but LB stole my line about being somewhat miffed at AV for not having this team more settled going into the season. It pisses me off to see the juggling and struggling when he had a FULL off-season and camp to get things sorted out. Yes, the Step injury put a monkey wrench into,the works, but that goes with the territory....no excuses, he needed to have plans A, B, & C ready to go to cover the "what ifs." Instead, it feels like he's making it up as he goes along and that makes for SH!TTY HOCKEY. Get it together AV! Make a deal Slats!

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 9:31 am EST

Brooks is all over the place in that column, though it is about how AV is all over the place as well lol. Doubt we see Mueller with Nash & Kreider as he suggests. Nash is on fire, leading the NHL in goals. why disrupt him? What Brooks is wise to point out is St Louis now with just one goal in 24 regular season games as a Ranger. Thats a pace of less than 4 goals for the year, and , while MSL Im sure will go on a bit of a goal-scoring streak at some point, I dont see it improving much.Oh boy. This is a guy who had 30 combined last year, TB-NYR. He's scored 30 or more 7-8 times if you count strike years. But all that seems left is his playmaking, which is substantial. A guy like that is so crafty, he can makes plays till he's on social security. It's just, the decline reminds me of another once big-time scorer, Thornton. He scored 20 or more 11 times, but last year just 11 goals. I point this out because finishing was among our biggest problems last year. And despite Nash thus far, still not sure we're out of the woods.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 9:15 am EST

RF, don't know about you but I don't like Yakapov's game at all. And we're wing-heavy already in prospects. If I'm trading Miller its for a center or a dman /prospect.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:58 am EST

Malone doesn't have Pouliots speed. That was a fast line.

Messier11


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:12 am EST

LB taking some veiled shots at the coach for the constant line juggling so far this year. He forgives AV for last year's similar behaviour, but not so much this time around. I agree. Yeah, the Stepan injury has caused some consternation, but does that mean you don't do the obvious and put Malone in Poo's spot on the Brass/MZA line? IMO, hell no. And AV``s fascination with icing a creampuff lineup is inexplicable and risking running into a spat of injuries due to his players being manhandled. IMO that`s inevitable - it`ll happen sooner or later. He`s bugging me right now.

RF4L


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:03 am EST

Yakapov in play - he's wasting away in Oilerville. Would anyone do a Miller for Yak swap?? I'd consider it, depending on what other interest Miller might be generating from other teams.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:10 pm EST

Loved this quote from Brassard on Nash, "As soon as I saw him (at camp) I knew he meant business."

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:32 pm EST

jesus

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:27 pm EST

I actually have an appreciation for Dancin' Larry now...http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=50701

RF73


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:30 pm EST

TD- honestly, I just don't see AV giving any of Moore Mueller OR Hayes 2nd line C. But we will both know soon enough.

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:20 pm EST

And on the MILLER-AV relationship...actually, Carp was saying fans are really jumping the gun saying that AV has soured on him or doesn't like his game...I agree with him too...I like the kid, but even I can't ignore the fact that Miller's game tailed off precipitously after the pre-season...and for whatever that reason was, he wasn't earning himself any chances on the top line, which, IMO, is where he basically needed to be to help the team...Miller wasn't doing them any good on third line...and he wouldn't be doing the much could as a fourth-line wing either...and as with DUCLAIR...who do you bump out of the lineup to put him in? He was getting outplayed by both HAYES and Duke, so it's not like he was firing it up...I personally would have STARTED him with a top-line assignment, rather than where he was...but the truth is, he earned himself a trip back to Hartford...I will say, however, a similar thing happened with KREIDER last year...he didn't stand out in camp...and in fact, he was outplayed by BOTH Miller and ironically, FAST...and there was a lot of hemming and humming when he went down...But lo and behold, Nash gets injured...Kreider plays very well in six games in the AHL...and BOOM. The light switch goes on...Kreider is promoted and quickly becomes a crucial piece of the lineup...I thought Brooksie's Tweet was kind of funny, but I also think any notion that Tortorella "hated" Kreider is total shite. Tortorella made the same observations of him that AV ultimately made, which was that the kid wasn't in the mindset to bring it...same is true for JT. The kid has talent. I've seen what he's capable of doing...but he's also got to pull together some consistency before he gets a chance at the big time...I no more see Miller as on the outs with this organization than I do any other player they've drafted over the past three years...rather, I think he's an integral part moving forward...but if he's not currently part of the solution, then he's part of the problem and off to Hartford he goes...would be a different story if he played like he did, got demoted, tore the AHL up and was left there to rot while MUELLER got a call up...but that's simply not the case.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:17 pm EST

Dont disagree & said as much TD. Unlikely I grant you. But I have my rays of hope. One thing Handzl isnt is a scorer, which in budgetary terms are way more valuable than 2-way centers. If Maloney things he can snatch say a Buchevich and even an MCI on ELCs, he'd have to consider it Id think. As opposed to giving up pieces for Thorton, Id prefer it. I wouldnt even mind losing MCI (not what Id want, as stated) if we're getting a monster back in the deal. Actually a Handzl would be on the ice more than a no. 6. Just my crazy mind running away...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:04 pm EST

RR - I would love HANZEL on this team, but that's really a pipe dream. I mean, he's a big part of Arizona right now...the kid is CHEAP too...$3.1 million over the next three years? And it's not like they have another center raring to go either...probably the best they have in the AHL right now is Ulfie's kid Henrik and he's just coming out of juniors...so not to burst any bubbles, but it ain't happening. Not unless the Rangers give them something that's too good to be true.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:59 pm EST

Agree & agree, PA. Id at minimum like to see MCI get the same 50+ NHL games JT did before any ultimate deciding of his fate as a NYR goes. But there have been some remarks by two normally reserved reporters that have me wondering if he even gets that. And big picture, MCI was an early cut, didnt even see the last two p.s. games, nor has he been one of first two callups after Boyle's injury. IDK. AV thankfully c as me around on Malone like we were all pleading for, and today they even sent his little pet down. Ifk if I should be hopeful or not on MCI.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:55 pm EST

Messier11 - Here's the deal: Literally every sign is pointing to the MSL-at-center era being over. Every sign. Start with the game last night, go to the Rangers' lack of scoring against an inferior team and then swing by the fact that they didn't call up MUELLER to sit on the bench. They're in the metro area at least until Friday, meaning they could pull someone into the fold within a couple hours...I would bet almost anything that Mueller makes his Rangers' debut Sunday and it's at the behest of sitting DUCLAIR...can't sit the big kid against the Sharks. My guess is they have lines that look a little like this: NASH-BRASSARD-ZUCC, KREIDER-HAYES-MSL, HAGELIN-MUELLER-STEMPNIAK, MOORE-GLASS-MALONE.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:12 pm EST

R.R., pure conjecture on my point regarding JT and Big Mac. I was only referring to Big Mac as the mistake part of the deal. I feel it is soooo...in the best interest of this Club for that young man to be in the line-up. They are gonna get crushed because this roster has NO deterrent. A view espoused by many here. As for JT; how many chances already? Time to move on while he has good value.

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:44 pm EST

I don't think Mueller is automatically in. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see MSL still at C. Kreider/Brassard/MZA, Duclair/MSL/Nash, Hagelin/Hayes/Stempniak, Glass/Moore/Malone or something like that

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:35 pm EST

Tell ya what, Bob. I like Duke a lot. He's got some special skill. But Buch is bigger & growing and has amazed me with some of the things he's been doing - against men.and not sure Haggerty isnt deadlier than either. And all 3 have nowhere to play. Nor does as monster named McIlrath. High class problems ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:26 pm EST

Maloney's been with Yotes since 07. No mention anywhere, Mess. Just what Id shoot for. 3.5 is a bit high for their structure for a 2-3C. Maloneys always looking for a bargain. Nobody wants to play against that fuck. Reminds me of Jaws from Bond.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:24 pm EST

Boy, I would agree on Hanzal. He is a guy I would spend young assets on. Young assets not named Duclair, of course! Buchnevich maybe, but not Duclair. Hags/Fast, JT and a prospect maybe?

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:19 pm EST

finding 2 centers to fill in for stepan and Richards has not been as easy as sather signing guys, and veenyo sending them down and losing Lombardi. it's become a major problem adding to their early season woes. they need to find at least 1 center who can handle the nhl. i sure hope Mueller is able to. jt jitters better light it up in Hartford if he wants to play with the nyr again.....I would move d Moore up and put mule on the 4th line for now. Moore was used that way in the playoffs, not sure why veenyo has avoided doing that so far.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:56 pm EST

Was Don Maloney with us when JT Miller was drafted? That might be a key....that Maloney is interested in guys he knows about from his stint with the Rangers and is here to talk deal with Sather. Figure out what players we have that were drafted during his tenure here and we might have any idea who Maloney might be interested in..

JFC31


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:55 pm EST

I think Hanzal would be a good add, but when has it been suggested that Phoenix is unhappy with either he or Vermette?

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:48 pm EST

Before even Thorton Id go so hard after Handzel Maloney might not be able to resist. Theyre going to have to replace Doan's scoring someday, and they always need good young guys on ELCs. Theyre also paying Handzel like $3.5 next few years. Handzel's been averaging about 200 hits a year, wins about 500 faceoffs per, and he puts up his 35-40 pts. A mean 6-6/230 ROCK like that behind Step & Brass could be perfect, better than adding Jumbo, who's basically just a good setup man nowadays. Just sayin. Doubt DM would do it but he'd be my no. 1 target.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:36 pm EST

Don't know that Vermette is available, and wouldn't want to pay a first for him if he were. Where does he slot in once Stepan is back? 3C? We have players that fill that role.

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:19 pm EST

Don Maloney at the Garden last night. Maybe Sather can deal our 2015 #1 to the Coyotes for Antoine Vermette. Oops....we don't have a 2015 #1. Do we still have a 2016 #1? 2017?

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:53 pm EST

Geez, I forgot all about Lombardi already lol. Shows how just 5 games in, that 3rd center spot is becoming clearer. I really think this demotion doesnt bode we ll for Miller. Its not like all the others, with the hype and golden opp to grab not one but two open spots. So if its not Lombardi or JT, once Step's back its fown yo Hayes, Murller, and Lindberg....... or Joe Thorton or Eric Staal.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:49 pm EST

HOSPO: In a perfect world I agree with you. However, the Rangers are in a bad position right now and even though he is very raw HAYES is needed on the roster.

Vic


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:42 pm EST

Mueller call up may be simply the tough decision that Malone has out-played Miller and that they feel more comfortable shifting someone like Mueller in and out than they would a kid like Miller. Same goes for Fast, obviously outplayed by Stempniak

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:37 pm EST

Stralman made regular mistakes through first 3/4 of last season, some lowlight reel ones where the camera cuts to Hank and he's ready to chop off Anton's head. He got really solid about a month before the playoffs and I'll bet he stays that way, but he is not worth that money and didn't fit into a team also carrying Girardi and Klein on the right side. He is not the answer to our problems. Staal is solid when Boyle pinches. It's a good, productive, dependable pairing.

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:29 pm EST

Actually, Stempniak has been special teams just about everywhere he's ever played. It's just that he's doing better at it here than he did in Pittsburgh and Toronto. Any team is going to be thin at center when they lost their top C. Our issue is that were also trying out two kids (Miller, Hayes) for the #3 slot, and our vet depth C (Lombardi) didn't pan out. Nothing to get hyperbolic about given how early it is

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:26 pm EST

Hospo: Therein lays the crux of the problem: Hayes is learning at the NHL level with a club who's GM feels in a cup contender, because there's really no choice. Hopefully, he takes advantage of that, to the point where when Stepan returns, he continues to take a regular turn at center.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:25 pm EST

The Rangers are so weak at center it's ridiculous. Chris Mueller? Oh wow, now the popgun offense will wake up. Stempniak getting a regular turn on the PP is evidence enough Sather has yet again failed to address this team's inability to generate sustained offense. Don't get me wrong - Stempniak's heart is admirable, but only in NY where the PP has sucked since before Sather's ridiculously long tenure started, does he look good.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:18 pm EST

VIC - I din't see enough of the game last night to see HAYES flopping around but that is what I noticed in him before the Islander game and why I wanted him in the AHL..OTOH, he was dangerous against the Isles....Offensively, yes, he can carry the puck and has vision, but I just think he can really use some mega ice time and leanring the 2-way game in Hartford....BUT..The Rangers do not have many options...If St. Louis is back to C, you need BOTH MMUELLER and HAYES......

Hospo


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:03 pm EST

OAN: Crybaby got called for tripping with 9 seconds left in regulation time last night with the score tied... Big Bird Spezza scored with 4 seconds remaining for the win..... ha ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:56 pm EST

IMWO: with JT Miller being sent down, HAGELIN owns the 4th line RW spot & perhaps 1st unit PK....... With Nash, MSL, MZA, Kreider, Malone, Stempniak, & DuClaw waiting in the wind, as our 1st,2nd,3rd line wings, and Hags 5gp, 0 goals, 0 assists, -5, that's were he belongs..... I concur with BOB/Hospo that JT Miller belongs on the forth line as a wing, and give the kid some time.. He's too young to give up on... Also agree that unless a no brainer of a trade comes falling into our lap, we may want to wait until Stepan & DBoyle come back before talking trade..... As for The Duke, the CJC feels strongly that at some time this season he MUST go back to JR's and get the experience of competing in their Post Season, & any WJC's he may qualify for; this way, if we need to call him up for the NHL playoffs, he's got that experience under his belt. That experience may be as much, or more valuable than regular season games with the men..... jmo naturally.....

mf


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:56 pm EST

I don't get why everyone is writing Fast off,he has 66 north American regular season and playoff (3 PO games) under his belt. Its really only his second year in NA (played 1 games in 12-13 for the Pack) Most people says it takes the first season just to adjust fully on and off the ice. He is just getting started here, to already have him as an NHL failure is a bit pre-mature. Miller is who is a bigger concern. I said it after 3 games, he still looks like he has no clue what to do at the NHL on many shifts. I would say, as someone said, hope he tears up the AHL and trade him, maybe with another younger player who is probably going to be on the outside poking in (maybe Fast even though I like him) and get some value back. A player or a nice pick. I just think that its a risk to keep him, if he fails to develop he will be a wasted asset...at the same time, I don't want to see him traded to a team the Rangers need to see a lot, because if he ever does figure it out he will be tough to play against.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:46 pm EST

Miller's line, 3.games; -4, 7 shots, 4 hits, 3.blocks, 9 of 23 on faceoffs, zero points, avg 12:06 TOI.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:42 pm EST

Finally getting a minute to comment. First, on HAYES. I thought he played better against the Islanders then he did last night. He was flopping a bit last night and I thought he made more mistakes last night then against the Islanders. I don't think his position in the lineup is safe at all and it would not surprise me if MUELLER is being brought up with the intention of sitting HAYES on Sunday.

Vic


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:36 pm EST

Bob, Kreider could be the answer to Brooks' question just the same. We know how BOTH turned out. Think it does AV a disservice to suggest he doesn't like Miller and therefore he's on outside looking in. He's a very professional coach. Would presume first its Miller's game he doesn't like.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:35 pm EST

I miss Brian Boyle a lot just because he bled Ranger Blue and did all the little things, but the biggest mistake the Rangers made was not re-signing Stralman. I'm sure Boyle will help our PP, but he's bad in his zone and our D was a huge reason we made the Finals last year. Stralman was our best Dman in the playoffs and probably our 2nd best to McD during the season. Not flashy, but rarely made mistakes and was physical when needed. Great puck mover, pretty good skater, and always calm - perfect for this system. And he wanted to be here. And for those who disagree, the stats bear out that he's really good, he was one of the best dmen in the league as far as the possession stats/analytics go. I'm in the middle as far as eye test/character and stats (meaning i think they're both relevant as opposed to JUST one or the other), but I think they definitely have some meaning.

chinstrap


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:32 pm EST

I don't think the Rangers will be making any deals until STEPAN and BOYLE come back...would be stupid to deal for someone when you're still not sure what the organization needs...re: MILLER and McILRATH...both these guys are YOUNG. Mac is 22...Miller is 21. Moving either at this point would be ill-advised.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:30 pm EST

MZA is the answer for the Brooks question. Sometimes coached don't like particular players. MZA is a goofball off the ice. Torts hated guys like that. AV does not like Miller, who should be banging people at wing on the 4th line. S now, let's hope JT tears up the AHL increasing his trade value. His NHL future does not appear to be in NYC. Fast's future appears to be in the SEL or the KHL.

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:08 pm EST

I've thought same myself many times p.a. . Seems to be the writing on the wall. Not sure on mistake part for either guy right now, time'll tell.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:05 pm EST

Lost post, dammit. If JT goes in am deal, and assuming Hayes locks down a center spot for a while at least, I'd love to see Miller bring back a young RHD to QB the PP. Its one thing the system doesn't really have excepting Calls Johansson .if in fact that's his last name), mid-to-late rounder we took. Would love to find a young Karlsson type, as would every NHL GM. But even the kid from Colorado try supposedly almost got for MDZ, umm...Barrie. Good-looking young D, nose for the net. We're a little too heavy in forwards, especially wings. Not that I'm complaining. They look good! Christ, if he doesn't stick, Duclair, Buchnevich and Haggerty all in the system? Thats some good shit.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:03 pm EST

My concern is that McIllrath is going in the package with JT; Miller is done as a Ranger. Big mistake if that happens.

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:49 pm EST

As for FAST, I have seen him as a non-entity since day 1 last year..Nothing wrong..but nothing really right.....belongs in the AHL so he can play rather than just sit as a bklack ace,.

Hospo


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:48 pm EST

RR - if the McILRATH promotion didn't happen today, it ain't going to happen before the Sharks game, IMO. Stupid decision.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:47 pm EST

This is what I meant when I said that it appears that AV has Miller on a short leash. Whereas he seems to WANT to have an excuse to keep Duclair, he seems to WANT to have an excuse to not have Miller. Ya gotta think Miller is gonna be packaged in a trade at some point. There no point in having a talented kid who the coach doesn't like....it's a waste of talent.

JFC31


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:47 pm EST

I tried watching the game last night, bit talk about boring and worthless...Ended up watching some Shark show with the Wife and that was easilt mor entertaining! Two things i got out of the game in my short viewing---STEMP is playing really well,,,and Sam and Michalette are unded an MSG editc to priase Kevin HAYES at all costs, even if he's able to get over the bench! Nah, he looked DECENT also......The Center spot is still a mess.....While MUELLER was the best out of the 5 in pore-season and deserve ice time over others, it's still a mess with Brass, Hayes, Moore and MUeller.....I think AV is an ass and the Rangers morons for not playing JT MILLER at WING...I was unimpressed with im as a C and a benching was no probleme, but demoting the guy already.? Can't see his life aqs a Ranger lasting all that much longer....Hopefully he mans up in Hartford and at least keeps up his trade valeue.

Hospo


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:45 pm EST

Mixed feelings on callups. Thank god AV has stopped seeing what ever the hell had him so enamored with Fast, who contributed about as little as any 'name' prospect I can recollect. JT, ahh.... Can't say he got the fullest chance, but they'd seen enough. As long as the bus is coming down the turnpike they could have had McIlrath board it. Damn.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:43 pm EST

And on a related note, some of the Rangers beat reporters are saying MUELLER in the lineup Sunday is a lock if MSL at center experiment is over...and that means someone must come out...DUCLAIR, they're saying, is the logical assmumption...and right there...if you're scratching the kid, then send him back to juniors.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:32 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie SAT question: Miller is to Vigneault as _____ was to Tortorella?

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:32 pm EST

The Miller demotion is ridiculous...but whatever...Gonna be interesting to see Dom Moore as our new third-line center...and I guess HAYES will be centering MSL and NASH.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:28 pm EST

JFC - If there's one thing I've been it's consistent on my opinion of DUCLAIR. Didn't say he's been horrible...just said he's becoming more and more invisible as the games go on...And really, what you said about MSL pretty much follows my line of thinking on Duke...there's no room for him in the top six...MAYBE...just maybe in the top nine...but here are your wings: Nash, MSL, Hagelin, Zucc,and Kreider...That's nine guys who have the ability or should be in the top six...who do you put to third line for Duke? There never was any room for Duke unless there's an injury or he lights it up like he did in preseason...neither of those things being the case, he belongs back in juniors. Two good games does not make a season...and the fact is, Duke has had as many mediocre performances now as he's had good games...kid needs to be with his cohort...he needs another year of seasoning and muscle building...When he gets here next year, he'll be ready for a top line assignment.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:25 pm EST

JT Miller and Fast to Hartford. Chris Mueller up. Looks like RR called it. The MSL at center experiment appears to be over, and Kevin Hayes is a keeper for now.

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:11 pm EST

The one thing with Duclair, he's been pretty good for Nash. Whether Nash would be doing this on his own or with his old line of Stepan & Kreider is debatable, by do you really want to mess with it right now? Idk, could be a factor in Duclair staying.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:04 pm EST

td -- Duclair did not have a great game last night, but he was not benched because AV thought he was playing badly....he got benched because they dcided that the MSL at center experiment was over and moved him back to wing. That forced Duke off that line and made him the odd man out. He had one excellent move on a different line where he burst around th D and went hard to the net but was stopped. It's amazing to me that you could tout JT MIller over and over again and then after 4 excellent games and one so-so game, you think the Duclair "experiment" is over and he should be sent back. Be consistent. If thata's your criteria, Miller was in the stands for the past 2 games....does that indicate his experiment is over and he should be sent back to Hartford? I posted on Wednesday, that part of Duclair's evaluation will be how he reacts to a bad/so-so game and/or time in the stands. He hasn't earned any additional icetime because of one game that you didn't like? He's got 3 points in 5 games, is a +4 and because he's the odd-man out when MSL gets moved back to wing, you think he should get sent back to Jrs? That's it?....5 games, one so-so, the rest excellent and you think he's proven he doesn't belong here?

JFC31


Fri Oct 17 2014 12:28 pm EST

yes

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:52 am EST

Team has to play approx. 100 more games to win it all (and played as late as anybody last year). Really want to begrudge them a day off cause they're a game under .500?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:33 am EST

stevie: Could be a CBA mandated day off...

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:05 am EST

I hope it's video and popcorn day at least today.....don't deserve a day off with 4 points out of 10....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:04 am EST

Should have said vitally important, re; no- tolerance policy. Nothing more important in fact, not even the PP. If teams (again) start running Nash, McD, Hank, we're done.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:54 am EST

On GLASS...I think a lot figured he was(is) the Rangers goon...but I don't think the guy has ever been a serious fighter...hasn't had double digits in fights for three seasons now...DORSETT, though he often got thumped, fought a hell of a lot more...ditto with CARCILLO...Glass is a tough guy, but he's not much of a pugilist, IMO...and while he's been OK...I still don't see how he's an upgrade over what we had before on fourth line...Rangers had a very good fourth line last year and I was really sorry to see it dismantled. And while I'm more concerned about the other three lines, I don't think our fourth is nearly as good as it was last year.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:41 am EST

how much worse can big mac be than kostka, hunnwick, j moore, or klien? ....what he adds is missing...glass must be broken.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:24 am EST

Agreed with the promote McI chant. AV is starting to bug my ass....

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:24 am EST

I could see McIlrath giving us a nice jolt like he did vd. Calgary last year, taking on I think it was McGrattan. That said, doubt they do it. But its important while still early on here to set s no-nonsense policy, but we dont have all the horses. Teams tend to notice things like guys leading the league in goals.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:16 am EST

stevielegs - agreed they have no business having a day off...but on Mac...his skating isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be...he ain't going to beat Hags or Kreider in a foot race, but it's not like he's a stump out there...and the rest of his game? I don't think it's that bad either...the only reason I see to keep him down there is if he can't get regular shifts in New York. Obviously, that's not a problem right now...promote the kid...get him minutes.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:12 am EST

RF4L - Amazed SCOTT even has a job in the NHL...but indeed, count me as one who is nervous for the results of Sunday's game...There was never a better time for McILRATH to come into the mix...between Scott, Burns, Burish and Hannan, they're gonna end up the black and blue shirts if they don't man up.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:05 am EST

if scott can play for sj and score a goal, so can big mac...I'd rather see him as 7th d or 4th liner, sitting in stands as veenyo gets enlightened as the nyr get lit up.....time for him to learn in the nhl, or trade him.......he need a personal hockey trainers for skating, passing, etc....but not in the ahl.....let him be the next kid k to figure it out, even if he goes up and down, or sits some out.....time to grow up.....veenyo has a blind spot to that part of hockey, and it's costing them points.....gonads lead to confidence.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:00 am EST

Well here's a little good news: John Rosasco @JRNYR Brandon Halverson turned aside 30 shots last night in 5-4 SSM win improving to 7-0-0 with a 2.57 GAA and .920 sv %. Leads OHL in wins #NYR

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:00 am EST

One guy Rangers should be on the lookout for Sunday vs. SJ is Scott. That big stiff totally nailed someone from Isles last night. Late but mostly clean hit, the guy was on queer street. Not sure last time I saw a guy take a concussion on a shoulder hit, but that's what it looked like (in a crowded bar at least). So, maybe not a bad time for the McIlrath audition. In fact, its getting about time to rev up the NY-Htfd shuttle. JT & Fast haven't played last two games. Hunwick's not awful, pretty creative but makes me nervous. If Duclair is getting phased out just get on with it. Maybe he gets one more game but if he's not top 9 he's out, by AVs own admission. Thing is, if Haggerty is recalled, which I would LOVE to see, he's a RW on a full right side. Idk what happens there.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:55 am EST

TD: You spent way more time putting down your thoughts and FWIW, I concur with most of them, the key one being the inferior opponent. I also disliked the Rangers continued lack of physicality - they are a bunch of creampuffs, with a couple of exceptions. Look out for SJ. Check out this hit from last night's SJ/NYI game: http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/10/16/6991511/mikhail-grabovski-injured-john-scott-hit

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:55 am EST

wild why are they off today, no practice? ....nhl schedule is lopsided.....and veenyo needs them practicing.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:50 am EST

The only positive to be gleaned from that win was that it was a win and two points...I'd love to say Hank played a strong game...that NASH was dominant...but they were playing a team with a roster half-filled with junior players and AHLers...I counted about eight guys that probably shouldn't be in the NHL right now...I tell you, I was more impressed with the first two periods of hockey they played against the Islanders than all four periods they played against Carolina...that game was a mess...and that's before taking into consideration that it was against a REALLY weak opponent...couple thoughts that don't differ much from once I had after the Islander game...ST. LOUIS at center...Holey schnikies, it's got to end. I don't care if it's MILLER, MUELLER or LINDBERG...the guy ISN'T a center...never has been...putting him at center is basically taking one of your top scorers out of position and putting him in one where he's not nearly as effective...can he play center? Sure. Is he good at it? Nope. Stupid move and it's got to stop, especially when the Rangers are struggling to produce points...DUCLAIR...OK...experiment over. Time to let the big boys play hockey...I don't think he had a bad game per se, but what I suspected would happen is happening...he's starting to have more and more shifts where he's invisible and that's something that simply CAN'T happen on the Rangers' top line...I would send him back to juniors and promote HAGGERTY...I'm rapidly souring on KLEIN...Liked the guy when he came here last year...though admittedly I didn't like the trade, he seemed to really settle the Rangers' D down...but man...this year...I don't know if its because he simply can't play a top-four role or that he's having a rough start...but he SUCKED last night. Sucked against the Islanders too...I don't mind HUNWICK. Actually, I kind of like the kid...but having him play the off-side is another thing that is not a long-term or even short-term solution...it's time to bring of McILRATH. I don't know what AV's hesitation is. Pair the kid with STAAL and let's see what happens...If there's one thing I do like about MALONE being in the lineup is it's that he brings a high degree of snarl with him...If the Rangers could have him AND Mac in the lineup, I think they would really change the dynamic of the team...they're going to need it against San Jose. That team will absolutely barrel over the Rangers without at least one other big banging body in the lineup...On another note...if there are two constants with this team its that they SUCK on the PP and that they can't win faceoffs if the season depended on it...in fact, with those to constants its really almost an oddity that the Rangers win at all...those are two CRITICAL elements of the game...I just don't understand how after two dynamically different coaches and the roster turnover they've had that they STILL can't correct these elements. It's really a curiosity...Last night they won 23 faceoffs and lost 44(!!)...and while I can understand losing against a guy like Jay McCLEMENT...Victor RASK? Riley NASH? C'mon...and then the PP...Zero for five?! Sweet Jesus.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:36 am EST

5 games in we only have 4 goal scorers. Nash (6), Brassard (3), Stempniak (2), Kreider (1). That'll change too.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:26 am EST

WHy the 5PM start time, I assume.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:13 am EST

stevie: Why what?

Wildcard


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:10 am EST

Hard fought game, no reason to get too high or low IMO. This was a game where you could see the players still arent 100% sharp, certain plays weren't clicking, for both sides. But thought Carolina played very well. Easy to say they're a cellar dweller and we should've blown them out, but Rangers stayed tight on D most importantly. The lines still aren't fitting seemlessly. Hayes was far more involved, now I'd love to see him post some points. That should come, the game looks like its starting to slow down for him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:00 am EST

“I thought defensively we were safer and more dependable with the puck. We can still play a little bit faster and, offensively, find ways to get our shots more on net with proper traffic. But it was a step in the right direction,” Alain Vigneault...........................The Rangers are off on Friday and will practice on Saturday before hosting the Sharks, who lost to the Islanders, 4-3, in a shootout tonight, Sunday at 5.....why?

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:53 am EST

RF4L: The games prior to last night had more energy, more flow and such, but bad luck or bad plays lead to blowouts. Last night I got the feeling that they were REALLY concentrating on NOT giving up goals. They seemed to really want to keep the score down, it hurt them offensively for sure. Once they were down by one and didn't give up a second third and fourth they seemed open up to get back in the game and had a bunch of really good chances and it looked like a better game. I hope that they will feel better, and after a couple days of practice to build on a better defensive game that they will balance things out.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:48 am EST

The Boston Globe ✔ @BostonGlobe Milan Lucic was ejected after losing his temper during tonight's #Bruins game vs. Canadiens http://ow.ly/CTEZU pic.twitter.com/th2i8Qoiaa

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:11 am EST

boston 2-4, nyr 2-3, some teams only played 2 or 3 games so far....nhl parity?......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:09 am EST

mf: Oh, it's not all negative - allowing only a single goal is a good thing. But they only scored one, too and at times the game was just crap - no flow, no passion, etc. I'm not convinced it's the start of the turnaround so many keep talking about in here. We'll see....

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:56 am EST

The GAA fell to 4 from 4.75, that's a positive......

mf


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:32 am EST

Ola: Because the Rangers, for the much of last night's game, looked like crap and against one of the weakest opponents in the league. They play like that against the Sharks on Sunday and it's a guaranteed loss.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:37 am EST

KIS- Hehe, I am trying to lighten the mood some! I've never seen the wall this down after a W. ;) I've not seen the game yet, nice to hear that Hayes is starting to find more of a fundamentally solid game.

Ola


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:14 am EST

Ola is our Swedish cowboy. Yiiihaaaaa. Lol

KIS


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:33 am EST

TWO POINTS BABY!!!!! YYYYiiiiiiihaaaaa. Exactly what the doctor put on the recepie.

Ola


Thu Oct 16 2014 11:09 pm EST

Nash is playin like its his puck. Jesus. Lost two posts, cant do it again. But he never got untracked in NY . If you think this Nash wont score in the playoffs I would respectfully have to disagree. Even when theyre stopping him it is just barely.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 10:08 pm EST

If Duke is not going to play....if the coach is going to "lose" him to the bench like that, send him back by all means.

Bob


Thu Oct 16 2014 10:07 pm EST

More likely that because the game remained so close for so long, AV wanted to tighten up defensively and thus keep Duke on the bench. If he goes down at any time this season, it'll be because of egregious defensive lapses, or because he simply stops scoring

Messier11


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:51 pm EST

Bob: Hopefully soon. Enough already. He's got skill and looks impressive, but time to err on the side of caution. For a change with this stupid organization.

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:43 pm EST

Duc being benched for most of the third not a good sign for him....That is for sure....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:29 pm EST

So the Duke heads back to Quebec City tomorrow?

Bob


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:19 pm EST

Actually thought MZA played a good game tonight.... Stempniak playing well is a good thing....He has been one of the better players on the ice for either team....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:18 pm EST

PJ: Hope you're right - can't make things worse, that's for sure. It's, for me, given the fact the problem existed pre-Sather and remains unaddressed since that incompetent man came aboard 12 years ago, hard to overlook.

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:16 pm EST

MFred: Concur about Stempniak. Nice signing and kudos to him for his hard work, but this is a journeyman bottom 6 forward who can skate and check and has a little offensive upside. Meanwhile, in NY he's getting regular turns on the pathetic PP and on the ice late in the game when the team needs a goal. I mean, really? BTW, where did MZA's offensive game go? Gone with Poo???

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:14 pm EST

RF...I believe Boyle and Malone will at some point really help our PP....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:07 pm EST

Been on the road so this was the first game I've actually seen....we suck....this was Carolina for god's sake and when Lee Stempniak is one of your best players you're basically screwed. McDonough 0 points, PP 0-fer 2014, StLouis at C is a disaster.....face offs where a million to 1. It looked like a bad AHL game. The only NHL caliber player on the Ice was Rick Nash. MZA, Haglin, Duclair, Kreider.....all invisible.....Hayes looked like he had a clue at times. The back 6........Jayzus. Well at least our GA went down tonight. Anyone optimistic about Sunday????? No CUP this year...sorry.

MelvilleFred


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:05 pm EST

PJ: Meaning the talent wasn't there last year?

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:02 pm EST

The talent is there for the PP....They will get it going...Boyle out doesn't help...

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:00 pm EST

Kudos to Nash for another strong game. I hope he keeps it up. Shame on Sather for yet ANOTHER year with a pathetic PP. 0 for 16 to start the season. I get why this incompetent idiot has a job, but why he's defended on this board time and time again is beyond me. He SUCKS!

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:54 pm EST

Nash on fire....Hank a strong game....It was the Canes but liked the D tonight...They needed this....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:54 pm EST

Has Nash ever had the broadway fedora?

Messier11


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:53 pm EST

RANGERS WIN.....THHHHHHEEEEEEEEEE RANGERS WIN!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:52 pm EST

NNNNNNAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:40 pm EST

Gotta love Dickletti stroking Rod Brind'amour's conditioning. Who cares. Now let's get the winner in overtime and go home happy.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:25 pm EST

Kevin Hayes name has been called quite a bit tonight(in a positive way:). He's looking more and more confident.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:20 pm EST

Or Brassard. I would not be surprised to see that credited to Zuc later.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:18 pm EST

Thank goodness for Zuc, Now we just need Nash to get one.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:07 pm EST

WOW, Nash has done everything and I do mean everything, but score tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:51 pm EST

Ill say it again, just likecthe other night. Theyre playing mostly great, sansv shot selection. Another goal Hank doesnt flinch. Oy!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:49 pm EST

AV needs to let that Zucc-Brass-Malone line ride. They've had the best shifts of the game. Unfortunate deflection on the goal, but they look dangerous. Malone is like a bigger and stronger Pouliot - with good hands to boot. I hope he gives them a chance. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:33 pm EST

Man, this is one of those kind of games where one goal may be enough to win it. I want to be wrong and hope that I am.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:30 pm EST

On the upside Nash looks like a beast all over the ice.

barto


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:18 pm EST

Our pp looks blah as usual

rngrsans


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:07 pm EST

I'm really beginning to hate the nhl. All the parity has made it so boring to watch. Thanks buttman.

barto


Thu Oct 16 2014 6:48 pm EST

I only caught the last half of that Period, but man did it cure my insomnia.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 6:11 pm EST

Carolina's one banged up bunch.... It would be nice to hold them to 1 goal or less............ The Rangers have allowed 17 goals in their past three games after opening the season with a 3-2 win at the St. Louis Blues. Forward Carl Hagelin said the forwards and defensemen have not been on the same page and it has led to prime scoring chances for the opposition. "It's probably a mix of forwards not coming back as hard as they should, so the [defense] is looking up and not seeing anyone, and it allows the other team to come in on the forecheck instead of backing off," Hagelin said. "It then feels like they have seven guys on the ice instead of five. If you make a mistake and you have a teammate close to you he might help you out, but right now if we make a mistake it's wide open for the other team. We're not really collapsing and we're getting beat off the wall so it creates a lot of room for them to get Grade-A scoring chances instead of just shots from the boards." Here are the projected lineups: HURRICANES Jiri Tlusty - Riley Nash - Alexander Semin.... Nathan Gerbe - Victor Rask - Elias Lindholm.... Chris Terry - Jay McClement - Zach Boychuk Brad Malone - Brody Sutter - Patrick Brown.... Jay Harrison - Justin Faulk.... Tim Gleason - Ryan Murphy Ron Hainsey - Brett Bellemore.... Anton Khudobin.... Cam Ward..... Scratched: none..... Injured: Eric Staal (upper body), Patrick Dwyer (lower body), Jordan Staal (leg), John-Michael Liles (upper body), Andrej Sekera (upper body) RANGERS.... Anthony Duclair - Martin St. Louis - Rick Nash.... Chris Kreider - Derick Brassard - Lee Stempniak.... Carl Hagelin - Kevin Hayes - Mats Zuccarello.... Tanner Glass - Dominic Moore - Ryan Malone.... Ryan McDonagh - Dan Girardi.... Marc Staal - Matt Hunwick.... John Moore - Kevin Klein..... Henrik Lundqvist.... Cam Talbot.... Scratched: Michael Kostka, Jesper Fast, J.T. Miller.... Injured: Derek Stepan (leg), Dan Boyle (hand).... Status report: Sutter will be making his NHL debut. He was recalled from the Charlotte Checkers of the American Hockey League on Wednesday. His father is former NHL player Duane Sutter. … Bellemore is making his season debut after being a healthy scratch for the first three games. … Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said Malone would remain as the net-front presence on the first power-play unit Thursday after playing 2:40 on the power play in his season debut Tuesday. The Rangers are 0-for-11 on the power play this season..... Who's hot: Nash leads the NHL with six goals. He is the first player in franchise history to score a goal in each of the first four games of the regular season.

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 5:53 pm EST

When they asked AV who was hardest to send down after camp he named Haggerty. Tells you who the first recall might be. Still think only reason Duclair stuck & Heggerty didnt is Duke is a LW.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 5:10 pm EST

RF4L - I think they really figured SEGUIN was headed down the wrong path and that if they didn't trade him soon, they weren't going to get much for him...The other thing is I think they wanted to move beyond the HORTON affair quickly...get both players the hell out of dodge before rumors began to wear on the team...Seguin was traded on the 4th...Horton signed in Columbus the next day...Certainly, I'm not saying the Bruins are going to be a push-over team...they're facing some of the same problems the Rangers are because they DID have significant turnover...but what I am saying is I can see the beginning of the end for them...they got some decent assets in the minors/juniors...and the pick they made in the first last summer is starting to look like he could be blue chip...but they really lost A LOT of their depth last summer. And unless some of their young guys step up, they could be in a world of hurt soon...so funny how they parlayed KESSEL into such a windfall and now that deal is actually not looking so hot...Eriksson is sure looking like he's done...Morrow and Fraser...not sure if they'll ever make it...and Reilly Smith is good, but I'm still not sold on him being much more than a second line player...

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 4:12 pm EST

Just yo chime in, Ericsson was a damn good wing before the headshots. Smith is real good already. Goes to show how hard it is to get value, even on a guy talented as Seguin. Thats why if & when, prices on some of these centers wont be anything we cant afford. And the bigger the $ you take on, the less talent you should expend.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:56 pm EST

Oh and that said, the Seguin trade remains to me a head-scratcher. Yeah, perhaps they felt he needed to be moved, but you gotta question the return they fetched. Nothing against Smith and Erikson, but was that really the best they could do?? I find that hard to believe....

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:54 pm EST

TD: Unfortunately, I think it's a tad premature to run down the Bruins just yet. I mean, I sure hope you're right because I truly loath that team, but the core of their offense remains (which isn't to say they have a superb offense because they don't - they are sorta like the Rangers in that they tend to score by committee) and yeah, the loss of Boychuk hurts, but they still have Rask. It's also too early to say for certain Hamilton won't step up. I do agree, however, they aren't as strong as last year, nor the year before. Chara is getting up there and even last night, just 5 games into the season, against the Wings he looked a little slow and got hit a few times, something we (finally) started to see more of the latter 3rd of last year. Lucic is slumbering, but that's what he does. Boston against Montreal tonight - the first game since Lucic threatened Weise and Emelin during the handshake ceremony after Les Canadiens had eliminated them from the POs. Could be fireworks.

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:51 pm EST

TD: Maybe, but STEPAN was healthy last year and just missed camp. It took him a good two months to get back to form. I don't think we should assume anything less in this case.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:48 pm EST

Vic - I think you're greatly over-estimating the extent of STEPAN'S injury. Certainly, he ain't going to jump on the ice and be perfect at game 11...but if his injury was going to keep him in the dumps until January, they'd be talking more in terms of Jordan STAAL'S injury.

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:35 pm EST

Stepan"s been swimming. That"s the prescribed rehab till he can skate.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:26 pm EST

I know we all want STEPAN back ASAP but folks need to keep in mind that it is going to take STEPAN a while to get back into shape and then back into game shape. He hasn't been able to skate or probably do much of anything else like run or ride a bike. He is going to need time to get his game back to a productive level and get his timing back. He may be back in 3 or 4 more weeks but I don't think he will be back into game shape and have his timing back until some time in January.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 2:56 pm EST

JFC31 - Totally agree...But it was more than just KOSTKA. The Rangers flat-out collapsed in the third...in a sense, the Isles played rope-a-dope with them for two periods...let HALAK bear down and bail them out...and then waited for the Rangers to lose a step...and they did in the third...I keep saying once this team clicks just a half-step more and the minute they reach peak-conditioning, they're going to take off...the problems now are ones that will quickly evaporate when they start firing on all cylinders and Stepan comes back.

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 2:49 pm EST

Messier11 - GAGNE has been in camp with them for a while, but they didn't have the cap space to sign anyone until the BOYCHUK deal...I believe he had a handshake agreement to stick around and continue to practice with the team until they had space. He signed a couple days ago...Things are looking REAL grim in Bruinland...Team is in a free-fall of sorts...they moved Boychuck to help with their cap hell, hoping Dougie HAMILTON could step up...well...he hasn't...and then their offense...they started the season dressing a clown like Bobby ROBINS to compensate for THORNTON(who they also couldn't sign)...can't find anyone worth their salt to replace IGINLA...and on top of it all, they've scored like six goals this year...LUCIC is a shadow of himself...and they have a revolving door of people from Providence rolling through their lineup...Chiarelli seemed like a genius when he built that team...but the more and more they fall apart, he's really starting to look like a jackass...Trading SEGUIN and now BOYCHUK...ugh...but that's a bonus for the Rangers...

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 2:16 pm EST

Didn't see this posted anywhere- Boston signs Simon Gagner for depth

Messier11


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:30 pm EST

So in Nick's parlance thatd mean the gangly novice Hayes will be back in, and maybe he'll share a line with Malone, that reclamation project. Except Malone doesnt like to share. ;)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:28 pm EST

The Rangers actually played very well for the 1st and 2nd period of the last game....they completely dominated Period 2 and actually looked like they were starting to click...they had something like TWENTY shots on goal....Halak kept the game close and then NotSpecial K completely killed them with 2 straight untimely touch pass attempts to the front of his own net. No excuse to not get back to what they were doing in Period 2 and beat up on the Canes tonight.

JFC31


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:08 pm EST

Yup. Same lineup except Hunwick in for Kostka. Sorry bout that.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:01 pm EST

StevieLegs with the "Comeback Post of the Year".... From the bowels of ice cream & cookies all the way up to "PUCK SUPPORT" in less than 24 hours... Can't Scratch that! :-)

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:47 pm EST

Guys...same lineup as Tuesday(because THAT worked good), except for KOSTKA, who is probably somewhere around Moosejaw looking for the IHL team he was shipped to...HUNWICK in for him...means we'll get to see a double dose of KLEIN...Can't tell you how much that thrills me...#sarcasm

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:27 pm EST

NY Rangers Individual Stats off the Team web-site: http://rangers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:26 pm EST

Yeah...Scratch those earlier scratches. Ha!

Bob


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:22 pm EST

Scratch that ? hahaha

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:22 pm EST

R - JT and Fast in...Who is out? Malone, Glass...

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:21 pm EST

Jt/Fast NOT in.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:17 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?season=20142015&sort=standingsGoalsAgainst&type=LEA

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 11:59 am EST

Hunwick in. JT & Fast in.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:46 am EST

Vic: Yeah, you need to recognize the issue before you can work on it. Its one thing that the coaching staff and leadership of this team last year and now early this have been able to do, they make sure the entire team is on the same page, they don't seem to just tow the line, but they really seem to buy in to what is being said. I think that is why for the most part problems don't seem to last, the PP issue is still there, but its not from a lack of trying, the PP looks better, but needs to score of course, but issues like lack of support with out the puck, and lack of support with the puck don't last to long, other issues may crop up, but they fix them as a unit. Tonight they SHOULD be better in the defensive area, they KNOW its an issue, and you know Hank will get on them if they don't get it cleaned up in front of him.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:42 am EST

STEVIE: BINGO!!!! Give STEMPNIAK and BRASSARD a cookie! At least they see the problem. If they can see it they can fix it. Hopefully that does start tonight.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:36 am EST

I would be hard pressed to break up that top line, I know MSL is not a natural center, but he has done well, and that line seems to have something clicking. Not just MSL and Nash as some have pointed out, but Duclair has found Nash a few times with great passes, and they always seem to be positioned well in regards to each other while the Rangers have the puck. They don't get bunched up much, it seems one of them is always open for a pass, and all 3 can handle the puck in traffic and make good passes and all have good shots. DOnt know what that does later on, and if MSL is better on wing (probably the case) but that line has really looked good.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:27 am EST

“I think everyone relies on, for the most part, layers in the defensive zone,” said Stempniak, along with Rick Nash the two best Rangers over the first four games. “You try to outnumber the other team and have safety valves in case there’s a breakdown. That’s probably the big issue right now. It seems like we don’t have that safety valve. It seems if one guy gets beat or there’s one mistake, it seems they get to the net and get a great scoring chance. I think we just to be a bit tighter on the puck, have all five guys on the puck a little bit more and we’ll eliminate those chances.”........“We know what we have to change in our game,” Brassard added. “I think one of the biggest parts is how we manage the puck everywhere on the ice, how we support the puck whether it’s on breakouts, the forwards supporting the D or the Ds supporting the forwards on the forecheck. We have to be better as a unit. We know what we have to do to be successful and it starts tomorrow.”

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:18 am EST

STEVIE: You mentioned the magic words in my book. PUCK SUPPORT. This is what I have been harping on with this team. They have a little success with stretch passes (like in St. Louis) and they fall in love with it and forget the most important things. Puck Support is critical in all three zones. You can't have guys flying the zone or not coming back all the way looking for stretch passes. Right now the gaps are too large between the forwards and the D. Hell, even the gaps between the forwards are too large. They are spreading the ice looking for open ice and long passes (even East/West passes). That play is only there when you demonstrate consistent puck support. When you are constantly supporting each other in the defensive end and the NZ it forces the D to step up and try to break up the rush and short passes. That opens up the stretch pass. This is similar to what we see in football. When a team demonstrates that it can run the ball effectively it forces the defense to bring numbers and play up to stop the run. That opens up the passing game. When I watch the Rangers right now I don't see enough close support. I don't see 2 or 3 guys within 10 feet or so of the Ranger with the puck. They need to attack in numbers and control puck possession. When they are forced to dump in they need to be attacking the zone in numbers so that puck retrieval is possible. They spend too much of the game conceding puck possession by using the long pass to a guy near the blue line who deflects the puck in. There is nobody entering in the zone to try to forecheck and retain possession. The "5 guys in the frame" mantra isn't just important in the defensive end. This is what is missing when I watched these last 3 games. When they get away from playing the puck support and puck possession game they get in trouble. When they let the gaps between the D and forwards get too big they turn the puck over. That was the biggest positive I saw in the game HAYES played the other night. He played a puck possession game. MSL, BRASSARD and MOORE did not and that is a critical element of the Center position IMHO. It is one of the big reasons why they are struggling right now in my opinion.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 6:14 am EST

ola I understand what you are saying. in that the nyr don't really have what you think is needed from the blueline, which the coach wants from his blueline. their job is to get it out of their zone without giving up possession. it would be nice to have end to end rushes, but the centers and wings still have assist in getting that puck from one end to the other, and holding on to it. ...what's the solution?....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 5:55 am EST

Stevie- In this case I respectfully have to disagree. From my point of view, if you cannot have a blueline that moves the puck better than what McD-Girardi, Staal-Klein, Moore-McI would do -- I don't see why you should bother to try to compete during a NHL season. I litterary and seriously belive that. From my point of view its very simple, you just -- must -- be able to take the game to the other team in the NHL today. To accomplish that, you need to be able to place the puck at the other side of the rink. And to do that -- you need a blueline that can move the puck up ice. Please, do not misunderstand me. I am definitely -- not -- saying that there aren't room in the NHL for someone like McIlrath. Or power forwards up front. The PROBLEM is NOT McIlrath, its the other 5 guys who aren't good enough at moving the puck EITHER.

Ola


Thu Oct 16 2014 4:18 am EST

Did gomez make the Debbies ? That was worthless speed to me. But he could carry the puck and get it into the o zone ....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:59 am EST

OLA him not wanting to fit Big Mac in tells a lot . Speed is great but you need size and brute force to go , and stop the other teams speed. He was more than willing to let Malone rot because of this speed addiction... To me he's a bigger callahan ... As frank Zappa once said speed rots your teeth rots your mind Cocarotchya ... Speed kills....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:48 am EST

OLA what Veenyo wants and what he has is his reality. Him talking about the wrong side of the puck is like the dark side of the moon. He wants puck possession , then there has to be puck support. Short passes help accomplish that along with center men who help the d. He can want to have all he wants, but he has to live with what he has. Which means either they learn or he learns to adjust his concept. But if he can't get a pp that scores there is little excuse for that . It's early but there seems to be an unrealistic Santa claus wish list . He's making this mess than complaining about it. Until he gets set lines and sticks with them the results will be less than desirable .

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:04 am EST

Rabid- I think the answer to your question is pretty obvious, AV requires a certain amount of puck movement from his blueline as a whole -- our blueline is short in terms of that. Under Torts, these guys were just ordered to more or less fire the puck up along the boards as soon as they got it. Guys like Girardi for example really is not making that sharp of a first pass, nor is he able to skate with the puck in any sense. Staal is hardly labelled as a PMD. McD has stepped up a ton under AV, but he isn't Phil Hously II with the puck. So to answer your question, I think AV sees our blueline as a problem area because its short on ability to move the puck. Even moreso with Stralman gone and Boyle hurt. Hence, guys who are better at moving the puck than McI is given first shot.

Ola


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:31 pm EST

Good stuff & agree MF, re; comraderie. Talked about AV in VC with a bud of mine the other day. Those teams led league in PIMS. AV took Bieksa from nobody to big-time nasty prick. We thought for sure he'd do likewise with McIlrath. Sather's given him a few if not enough rough & tumble types. So has AV just done a 180 on toughness or does he believe wholeheartedly in new NHL its all speed & skill all the time? Or is he trying to balance it (which'd be my guess if forced to choose)?

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:05 pm EST

mf - you're killing me. Check you nyc.rr email for the love of all that's holey and unholy and everything in between.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:00 pm EST

je ne sais pas!

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:59 pm EST

Glass has 37 playoff games under his belt.... TD no surprise we came out looking a lot different against the Isles, Malone was in the line-up.. He should have been in against Columbus & Toronto..... And to beat a dead horse, when Stepan comes back, I'd start with Hagelin on the 4th line RW with Glass & Moore... Glass needs a night off, I'd slide JT Miller in there with Moore & Hagelin...... I'd like to see both Stempniak & Malone play the LW with Brassard & Zucc, and then again see Stempniak & Malone on the LW with Hayes & MSL......... This does nothing however for continuing the chemistry that MSL & Nash seem to have....

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:48 pm EST

Du se bots? Is that the same as tu sei pazz?

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:45 pm EST

mf - before you type another thing on RFC, check your email. I do believe I've figured out our issue with the Yahoo fantasy league and you should be all set with logging onto your team.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:40 pm EST

Nash & certain other guys (Zucc, MSL) may get run at, but I really believe this squad is going to hit & retaliate right back at them all the way down the roster to Girardi.... We have the same squad as last year with the experience of what it takes to go deep into the playoffs with this group. There's plenty of comaraderie on this roster, and yeah we're minus 4 guys, but the 4 replacements are Malone (43 playoff games), Stempniak (24playoff games), Glass (playoff games) and eventually Dan Boyle (107 Playoff games) ..... We recently saw Kreider come to the aid of MZA, & I think this is just the beginning of "this side" of Kid K we're gonna see.. The guy is a beast.. Malone seems to goes wherever he wants to on the ice, he picks a destination and its his.. Glass keeps his legs moving, seems willing to hit anything, so the opposition has to skate with their head up.. Kevin Hayes, 6'5" 225 he turned 22 in may (probably going to fill into his body some) and he's still wearing his NHL training diaper.. The kid is going to be menacing... Then there's JTMiller, okay, a slowish start no highlight reel plays out of the guy, give him a chance, this kid will play the body, and he's intense.. I bet he's a little "du se' bots" upstairs.. Bottom line, this team aint going to get pushed around for too long regardless of Froggy, NY fans won't stand for it, I don't think Sather will either....... jmho naturally

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:22 pm EST

Just trying to post something of interest Stevie. You should try it sometime!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:20 pm EST

Nick- While I appreciate your pessimism and understand how any fan could be squeamish after the past three losses, I gotta say...if you watched last season's progress, we are MILES a head of that...Last season at this time, this team was a unmitigated TRAINWRECK. The whole team sucked...lots(including myself) blamed it on the crazy pre-season schedule...roster turnover...new coach...et cetera... but now that I'm seeing them play this year, I'm realizing that this is the MO with AV's system...the guy plays a crazy up-tempo game and unless you have players firing on all six cylinders, you're going to have breakdowns...All three losses started out with some pretty dominant play by the Rangers in the first...especially against the Isles...then midway through, the wheels come off the bus...why? because these guys aren't honed or toned enough to play that kind of game for three periods. The breakdowns are stupid mental mistakes...and one begets another, which begets another...I don't care what you say, this is a GOOD team...one of the best in the east...having HANK in net automatically gets you to the playoffs in most cases...it takes a special moron to miss them with that guy back there...having McDONAGH, GIRARDI and STAAL as your top three defensemen gives you one of the toughest bluelines in the east...and then, if in fact Rick NASH got that off-season surgery to extract his head from his ass...well....look the F out. Duclair? Miller? Malone? Hell, these are support players...Rangers are a deep team with a very competent AHL team for once...probably the first time in years...the two knocks you can make on this team are its strength up the middle and its toughness...and frankly both of those things are subjective.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:57 pm EST

did veenyo serve ice cream after practice today, or milk and cookies? ...that's nice......

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:49 pm EST

AV said theyve been getting caught on wrong side of puck, a correctable thing. Have to have some faith on that if only because 5 of the 6 D did it very well for the better part of 100+ games last year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:55 pm EST

Wonderful, Leo.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:51 pm EST

Now that Zucc has been successfully targeted and injured, how soon before someone takes a run at the guy who so far has scored half of our goals this year? How's that for pessimism? :)

LeoS


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:15 pm EST

Hospo, I'm off my game a bit (as is the squad). Back from Las Vegas a few days ago. Had I stopped 'gaming' the afternoon of my last day, I'd have left fifty bucks up for the week. I didn't stop. It didn't end well. Anyway ... we have some good guys and I'm a K-Man fan. Just thin in my view. But we'll be in the hunt. At least we don't have the Flyer sked this month ... it's killer and gee, I feel bad for them ...

Nick


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:10 pm EST

Yeah I know JFC. But he didnt even mention our new captain crumbling under the weight or our coach's newfound penchant for cluelessness! Thats alll before our goalie, if thats what you call what hes been doing. They have to give him another $60m to play good this year? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:47 pm EST

RR -- that's Nick's all important job on The Wall....keeping us all grounded....and he's been doing it very well for a loooong time! :^)

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:45 pm EST

td -- i appreciate your counterpoints and it's definitely not a slam dunk that Duke stays. My odds of him making this move permanent are certainly much higher than yours. Look again at Diclair's icetime... it's been moving up each game, and he has been in the top 3 in icetime for forwards the past 2 games. Time will tell. We'll see how he handles his 1st inevitable 'off' game when that comes, and/or subsequent seat in the stands. That's important, too.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:40 pm EST

I can dig it Vic. Thats basically last years but revamped, Malone in for Puliot, etc. Either are better than what AVs thrown together to date.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:35 pm EST

Why reach to be pessimistic Nick? Kostkas not really on this team. Neither is JT I dont think when alls said & done. But Malones had a heckuva career. Hes healthy, happy, motivated. Looked menacing to me last night. I like realism more than blind optimism, but I love this team healthy. I really like these kids too. Any teams got problems it loses its No. 1C, PP QB, etc.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:30 pm EST

C'mon Nick--you can pee better than that! Nothing about the aging and decrepit St' Louis? the vastly over-rated Kreider? the tutu wearing Stepan and Brassard? the Norwegean pipsqueak who has done nothing this year? Nash and his meanigless 6 goals? the broken body of Girardi?

Hospo


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:29 pm EST

RR: My "ideal" lineup is close to yours but a little different based on what we know right now. First line is KREIDER-STEPAN-NASH. Second line is MALONE-BRASSARD-MZA. Third line is DUCLAIR-HAYES-MSL. The fourth line is HAGS-MOORE-STEMPNIAK. I keep MILLER and GLASS with the Rangers and rotating in to give guys a rest and for injured players. MILLER can jump in on the wing or at Center.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:28 pm EST

JFC - I don't think anyone here would dispute DUCLAIR can play in the NHL now...looks comfortable...doesn't look particularly out of place...meshes well with the top-end talent. And yeah, there's always a chance he starts lighting it up so that he gives the Rangers no choice but to keep him in the top-6...but realistically speaking, we're four games into the Duclair experiment...and while we see flashes of what could be, I'm just not seeing anything yet that would sway me toward keeping him much longer than after STEPAN comes back...I guess my three biggest arguments against it are that a kid like that needs to play big minutes...not 12 minutes a night...and he needs to be a leader on the team...Duke isn't getting either of those things now and when Step comes back, they're goals that will be even further out of his reach...he also needs to be stronger...again, granted NELSON is a big dude...but he bulled through Duke's scrambling attempt like he were a pee-wee player trying to back check...Because he's been good with his position, he's been able to compensate for the fact that he's no where near as strong as some of the guys out there...but as time goes on...that's going to be more and more of an issue...and that brings me to numero trois...which is that it's one thing to play 82 games in the QMJHL...it's an entirely different thing to play 82 games in the NHL...I think on Ranger teams of the past, a guy like Duke would be here for 82 simply because they weren't nearly as stacked both at the NHL and AHL level...but with the caliber of players they have between those two leagues, it only makes sense to put the kid where he stands the BEST chance of developing properly...unfortunately, I think that's in the Q...but fortunately, if he comes back soon enough, he's the type of player that could almost single-handedly lead that team to a Memorial Cup...on an aside...I do think AV is putting him in different situations to get a good handle of what he can do...I'm not, however, convinced that he sees Duke sticking around as a flank for MSL and NASH...as he showed last year, AV basically uses the first month of the season as an extended camp. It's why MILLER and FAST stuck around for a while last season before getting assigned to Hartford...and I think that's the case again with FAST...definitely Duclair...Miller, I think his place is here or outside the organization.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:26 pm EST

JFC: Yes, those are the line conbos I see after Step gets back, with Miller either sent down, traded or - more likely - being a black ace along with Glass.

Ranger47


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:23 pm EST

SOMEONE has to pee in the already-befouled Cheerios here. I shall step up. The overrating of this squad continues apace. Half of these guys are reclamation projects, rookies and never-wases like the Hags (or, "Trade Bait" as I like to call him). I mean come on: Ryan Malone? JT Miller? A 19-year-old junior with flashes? D-man depth that gets exposed when one guy gets hurt and we come out there with Hunwick and Kostka? Hey I'm all for bringing up Jessim .. er, McIlrath ... but really gang! Another scuffle for eighth and hope we catch fire! Fine by me, actually, after 1997-2005.

Nick


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:42 pm EST

Yup. But its getting way ahead of ourselves, for a few reasons. Duclair not only hasnt scored his first NHL goal, but the assumption would be he could maintain production thru 78 more games + POs. And if Hayes, with only 2 NHL games, proves a good 35-40 pt center, it lessens the need to rip key guys out for a Jumbo type. If if if.... I for one would be way leery of moving Hags after how he stepped up last year. Time will tell I guess.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:36 pm EST

Glad it's the same lines in practice today..I swa some good things and some chemistry from all four lines last night (but not consistenty)....Still, The lines generating offense wasn't the problem last night...The forwards working together with the D was, and the team defense was, especially in the late 2nd and third...We all get caught up in the individual players, our pets, our whipping boys, but it's all about putting the best TEAM out there which isn't always the same as the 12 best forwards (up front)...Hopefully, with the only change being kostka, there will be a little bit more stability on Thursday after a few TEAM practices..And it will help that it will be CAROLINA!!

Hospo


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:28 pm EST

RR -- I would definitely want Malone to stick in this lineup somewhere. Those lines do look pretty good, but, as you said, not physical. Stemp has been a very nice surprise indeed....could make him a trade chip. I also think Hag is aguy who would attract alot of interest from other teams. Not that I'm advocating it, but he's a guy who other teams would want and who could be part of a package for a guy like Thornton. As I said, if he impresses enough to make it obvious that he'll simply be wasted in the Q, they will make room for Duke....the only real way to do that is with a trade....which they're going to need at some point regardless in order to shore up the holes.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:23 pm EST

So in other words JFC, imo the best lines you could come up wit if Duke sticks around would be Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, Duclair-Stepan-Nash, Malone-Hayes-St Louis, Hagelin-Moore-Stempniak. That's a deep team. You could always swap Hags & Malone, but I don't see how it fits much better. And just a word on Stempniak; someone called him a puckhound before. Man, there was a sequence last night where he just wouldn't not stop,a total pit bull on the puck. Great stuff from him so far.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:16 pm EST

Brandon PIRRI, a kid I've always liked since he was with RPI and then the Chicago organization, has been scratched in three consecutive games by the hapless Panthers. The Hawks traded him for a third and fifth rounder...I bet the Panthers would probably deal him for less at this point...He'd be a good pickup to fill in the void at center, especially considering that we have another six games AT LEAST without STEPAN.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:13 pm EST

Yeah JFC, I don't want to see him going back to play against high schoolers either. The A would be a perfect fallback but is u/a, so IDK what happens. One way I could see it working out without a trade is essentially moving people back, and a guy like Glass to the press box ( though we badly need the muscle). If Malone became a 3rd/4th liner, maybe. But Duclair is a scorer, period. He either would have to supplant one of Zuc, Kreids, Nash MSL - NONE of whom I see being traded - or settle in top 9 with Hags-Malone-Stempniak all 3rd-4th liners.OR MSL has to be a 3rd liner, which I think he should be anyway. If so thats a deep and damn good-looking lineup, if a little light. But it also means no one else gets a shot barring injury, not Haggerty, Fast, no one. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 11:54 am EST

RR -- I agree with what you and td and others are pointing out regarding the numbers game....they do have an effect on Duclair's viability on this team. However, we shouldn't discount the possibility of him playing so well that AV becomes dead set on keeping him. The same way they made a 2-for-1 trade to open up space at the start of the season, Duclair's possible emergence as a top-9 winger on this team might just set off a BIG trade for something we need (center?) that would involve enough starters going the other way to open up a permanent spot for The Duke. I posted when the season started that a big trade would come after a 15-20 game evaluation by AV and I still think that's a good possibility. It could come down to the Rangers simply thinking it would be a waste to send him back to juniors, which is what I think. He's 19 years old, he's had enough ice time in his life to not need more just for the sake of icetime. He shreds the talent in the Q already....I honestly thinkthat his development will stagnate if he spends another year there whereas he will actually improve up here. If the Rangers think the same thing, they will do something to make room for him.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 11:29 am EST

Same lines at practice. Hunwick is with Staal. Did something happen with Kostka? Lol

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 11:25 am EST

I'm right where I have been on Duclair, that they gave him this look to hopefully make up for some of Stepan's lost offense. AV said he'll have to play top 9 to stick. And while he hasn't done anything to hurt himself, who does he move out from among the six wings on the first three lines? Nash, Zuc, Kreider, MsL, Stempniak, Hagelin? Thats six, and Malone absolutely must be in there IMO,' making it 7. The kid has true high-end skill, makes plays at top speed with great touch, anticipation and good vision. All the little things you want to see offensively, passing over sticks, leading teammates properly, getting open, are there. As I think TD said, maybe this glimpse followed by juniors and the Memorial Cup and then rejoining us for the playoffs would be best for everyone. I'd like to see his kid about 10lbs heavier and then LOCKED into a Top 6 role. But I just don't see that spot opening until St Louis is gone next year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 10:54 am EST

That should have read "I'm NOT saying DUCLAIR can't play...."

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 10:53 am EST

JFC: I'm saying DUCLAIR can't play. Far from it. In fact, I have no doubt that he could play in the top 9 for this team this year. He doesn't look like a 1st line player to me right now though. If the Rangers feel like he should be with the team this year so be it. I won't complain. However, would it be better for DUCLAIR in the long run to play a more meaningful role in Juniors and at the WJC? RR: Yeah, watching HAYES reminds me of Big Bird on skates but he gets where he needs to go and keeps up with the play. Like I said, though, he needs to work on his quickness and his first step. I have to believe that he is or has been working with a power skating coach. If not, he should.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 10:45 am EST

York - Give it a rest. Different players. Different circumstances. Are you just looking to pick a fight? I'm not biting. Go back and read what I've written. I don't need to rehash it here, especially given how incorrectly you're characterizing everything I've said about both players.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:58 am EST

JFC, lost post (dammit), will try again. Once in preseason Hags had the warp speed going, looked quicker than ever to me. But yeah, he's been real flat since. Don't know if something's nagging him, but it was same last year, he didn't explode till around Xmas. He really suffers w/o that top gear, which is why I'd back him up and slide Malone in. And Poo? Haha...there he was, taking those offensive zone PIMS last night for EDM. BTW, seeing NYR PP @ 0-11, which I definitely believe. But PK numbers are 3-17. Feels much worse.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:51 am EST

Mats Zuccarello told BT in Norway that the Islanders were a “bit lucky” last night since the Rangers gave them some easy goals. Zuccarello said that it’s bothersome to lose like that when the team feels they are playing well. (BT) Zuccarello said that the Rangers started badly last year so they can look back on their experience with that but added, “we have to get out of the swamp rather quickly.” (BT) Asked about his return to the lineup, where he played 16:22, was a minus one, 1 shot on goal, 2 shots that were blocked, 1 takeaway and one hit, Zuccarello said that his shoulder was no excuse and that other players are playing hurt as well. (BT)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:39 am EST

Something that I notice this year about Hags....not once has he looked FAST....not once. He has not pulkled away from any checker, he has not beat people wide.....he just doesn't look like the speedster that I've grown used to seeing.... that , "wow, is he fast" kind of play has been non-existent so far and I wonder why? Mismatches with line talent? BTW, speaking of lines, last season AV put together Zucc/Brass/Poo in preseason and carried it through into regular season. After just a game or two, he broke up the line, only to reconstitute it later in the season. I'm guessing that the same thing will happen with Brass-Zucc.....the other line mate is the only question outstanding.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:34 am EST

Unsung best player so far, for me, has been Stempniak. He hustles and is a puckhawk. Throws the body and has very good speed. Pleasant surprise amongst the misery.

DCIGolfer


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:22 am EST

Vic, glad you described that Hayes play so I didn't have to. He didn't waste the opportunity is right, its the second best option after you pass up the shot, that's the sign of a mature offensive player. I too watched the players around him and they're not catching him. Long lanky bit awkward stride but he's getting where he needs to go. He had a great point blank chance late and I think tried to beat Halak 5-hole, Not a bad idea as he'd stopped everything else. That's all I want from these kids, play your game with out squeezing the stick too tight.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:15 am EST

MFer's is not a term to be used casually. :-)

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:05 am EST

Whats with the bed shitting metaphors all the time? Get some new material, nasty MFers.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:40 am EST

The only person who is gonna determine Duclair's ultimate destination is AV....and IMO the way he is using Duclair indicates that he WANTS the kid to stick....he's giving him every chance to succeed and he is not disappointing. Duclair fits very comfortably with first line talent...all 3 of his assists have been PRIMARY. His ability to play top 6 gives AV so many more options to maximize the wing talent on the other 3 lines. IMO, all signs point to AV keeping him, but my opinion means nothing. The proof will be provided by AV and Duclair.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:38 am EST

TD when duke makes one mistake it's damning but miller makes tons and it's never his fault and he should be given top line? Like I said take the blinders off already

York18


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:36 am EST

JFC - The flipside is that he'll learn bad habits from the vets...whether that was his man or not, he literally WATCHED Nelson bull his way into the crease without even taking a stride before it was too late...I will give him credit: despite doing nothing until it was too late, he STILL almost caught up with Nelson...which brings up another problem...He DID get a stick on Nelson's stick, and Nelson basically shot right through it and scored anyway...kid needs some upper body strength...and FWIW, Duke has racked up a sizable amount of time on the PP and as of last night, was on the top line...of course his +/- is going to be positive...My point with him is that he can't be in the top six when STEPAN comes back...and that's the only place he's really going to help these Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:28 am EST

Another point in Duclair's favor is that, on a team that is 1-3, he is a +4. On the goal last night that Duclair was on the ice for, the guy who was lax in defensive coverage was MSL, not Duclair. Brock Nelson is a center and that guy should be MSL's responsibility. Either way, overall, there is no denying that Duclair's positive contributions to this team so far have waaaay outweighed the mistakes he has made....mistakes which are part of the maturation process. The same mistakes in coverage are being made by VETS on this team...why should Duclair's be seen as a possible reason for him to be sent to an inferior league for a season, WJC's or no WLC's....it's not even close to being NHL. He'll learn from his mistakes and get BETTER, wheras in Jrs. there will be very few mistakes he can make that his speed and talent won't erase....he won't learn a damn thing in the Q, IMO.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:28 am EST

JFC - C'mon man...If you're gonna laud DUCLAIR, you also have to see his warts...he made some good plays...great ones if you consider that he's 19...but the reality is, he made at least one big stinker, which lead to what was ultimately the GWG. Now in his defense, he wasn't the only one that left a nice brown skid mark on the bed...STAAL and MOORE let the whole play develop...but Duclair literally watched NELSON take three strides towards the net before he turned the jets on to try to lift his stick...Now it's a rookie mistake...a subtle one too...but what concerns me is that it's one I see his linemate last night make ALL THE TIME...NASH loves to cruise back into the zone and loaf around by the top of the circle...it's by design in part, because if a rebound comes flying out, he'll be there for an odd-man-rush...but on this team, it's not the right play...and Duke, for whatever he did right last night, that one wrong was damning...and Vic is right...at 5-on-5, he WAS invisible for most of the game...this is despite being paired with the two most potent offensive players on the team...Kid is good. Kid could be better. Kid SHOULD be in the AHL...but that not being possible, he needs to go back to juniors.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:22 am EST

Good

wenner


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:08 am EST

Vic -- gotta disagree with you regarding Duclair being "invisible" most of the game....he was dynamic on the PP and took several wicked wristers that Halak had to make great saves on. He is actually doing really well on the boards and is able to control the puck by spinning away from checkers. There were several times last night when he was open for passes but St. Louis did not pass to him....one time in particular, MSL shot and I thought it was a selfish play on his part. Unless he suddenly falls off a cliff performance-wise, he's going to stick. He's on the 1st PP unit and the 1st line...why would AV put him there and then send him back to Jrs? He would be absolutely wasted in the Q....up here, he is rising to the challenge and his development will be exponentially quicker playing against NHL talent. In the Q, he will not advance at all. Not only is the Duke not hurting this team, he is helping and playing an integral role. There's no reason at all to send him back, IMO.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:48 am EST

be nice to have a pp goal instead of none....great job by arneil sully imitation.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:36 am EST

BTW, the excuses I'm hearing for the Rangers chaotic start is because of all the new players (2 defensemen and 4 forwards). The Islanders have the same number of new players, including 1/2 of their defense. Therefore, I don't buy it. This is on the players (save for a precious few who are playing well) and especially on AV. Get your acts together ya nobs!

RF4L


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:31 am EST

Rangers, after their latest debacle, are now 26th overall in the league. Nice. Wonder if Stevie Y has his fingers crossed.

RF4L


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:22 am EST

On HAYES, another good game in my book. I saw what I wanted to see from him last night. I wanted to see him settle down a bit and play a more relaxed and confident game in his second game and he didn't disappoint in that respect. He is tremendous with the puck. He made at least 10 to 12 really nifty passes last night. I'm talking about passes through defenders that hit guys in stride. More importantly they were short, touch passes. If you noticed that line spent a lot of time in the offensive zone. They did so because their Center wasn't trying to hit 60 foot stretch passes every time he got the puck. Instead he was making short passes to guys on the move and they were attacking in numbers. His ability with the puck at this level is really amazing. I believe he will be this team's #1 center soon. If not next year then by the year after. I know some are on him for not shooting on the rush when he had a chance. I thought he should of as well but I was more impressed by what he did after he didn't shoot on the second one. Instead of throwing the puck blindly into the slot or at the net he maintained control of the puck and kept possession. He took the puck behind and around the net and hit an open D coming into the zone. The Rangers ended up with a very high quality chance and stayed in the zone for 30 seconds after he didn't shoot. Smart and calm. On his skating, don't get sucked in watching him skate. Instead, pick a reference player on the ice near him. Watch that guy and keep and eye on HAYES out of the corner of your eye. HAYES has no trouble keeping up with the play. He needs to develop more quickness but he doesn't have a problem with speed. Now, he needs to keep getting better period after period. He needs to keep building confidence. If he can do that over the next 10 games I would say the Rangers have found their #3 Center for the season.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:13 am EST

On the forwards. I love DUCLAIR and was one of the most vocal here to give him a chance to show what he can do. He has looked great at times but at this rate I would send him back to Juniors. I know some of you are saying "Are you nuts"???? My feeling is that if DUCLAIR stepped in and was a dominant force then he should stay. This team really doesn't need him to stick on the wing right now. They have enough depth at wing and probably two players that can step into the lineup right now (HAGGERTY and HRIVIK). DUCLAIR was mostly invisible last night until that great pass to NASH at the end. Playing on the top line with NASH and MSL he didn't look nearly as good as KREIDER does in that spot. On KREIDER, he needs to be on the #1 line. Yes, he made a great play on the goal but he looked disjointed and out of place with BRASSARD. I HATE HATE HATE MSL at Center. It was clearly a mistake when it was tried and yet AV keeps rolling it out game after game. MAKE IT STOP! I don't know what you were watching OLA but MALONE looked great to me. Played well along the boards and in front. Played physical and a bit nasty at times. Drew a penalty and had some scoring chances while playing on the 4th line and on his off wing. He needs to be put with BRASSARD and MZA and left alone for 20 games. Unfortunately COACH STUBBORN refuses to put together that combination together. Why??? Is it because everyone else sees it as ridiculously obvious? Not sure why some are down on GLASS. His role is to be a 4th line energy player who hits, plays good D and brings toughness when needed. He is doing his job. I know when the team is struggling it is a tendency for people to look up and down the lineup and get on guys that aren't scoring or making a difference in the offensive end. I refuse to do that. The onus for scoring is on the first 3 lines. More specifically, the first two but in AV's system the first 3 are counted on for offense. MZA has been a disappointment so far. BRASSARD is supposed to be a playmaker and not a finisher. He isn't making anyone around him better right now. KREIDER was the playmaker on that line last night and while KREIDER is a really good passer it isn't what you want him doing as his primary role. That negates the physical things he can bring to the game.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:56 am EST

Now that the KOSTKA era has come and gone (in 1 game) I'm really hoping that DM gets the call. This team so needs a menacing, crease clearing, stay at home D like him. From what I've seen so far HUNWICK should be in over KLEIN and MOORE. I'm willing to give ALLEN a chance as well. AV isn't going to make drastic changes so I guess the point is moot. I really don't want to see anyone making the excuse that they have kids in the lineup so they aren't playing well defensively. That is BS. The Vets on this team are some of the worst offenders in terms of coverage mistakes, poor decision making and sloppy play. McDONAGH and GIRARDI have played like crap in the last two games. HANK isn't playing awful but he his last two games haven't been his best either. He has made some good saves but he hasn't bailed out his team when they needed it most. That is unfair as hell to pin on him, of course, but for this team to win he has to make those unreal saves at critical times. He hasn't been able to do that the last two games and he has been the victim of some bad bounces as well. That isn't going to help his frame of mind or confidence because I'm sure he is getting that feeling that no matter what he does something bizarre is going to happen and the puck will be behind him. I'm not too worried about HANK. We've seen this in the past and his game will come around when it matters most.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:42 am EST

One thing thats becoming obvious is theyre missing Brian Boyle on the PK. That giant octopus at the blueline disrupted plays & blocked a load of shots that are getting through and going in, rebounds or not. Ill add up the ST numbers later. Right now I just know theyre not good and theyrere skewing the score (and the perceptions a bit). Otherwise I look at last night as when they started getting the forward ranks straightened out, significant improvement there.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:31 am EST

York he has his wagon hitched to jt jitters...and nash is not cooperating......I could care less about jitters, slow fast, gabby hayes, and duke éclair et al .....they get their chances again, but this is not the time or place unless they prove it...time is not on their side........bring up new experiments, while putting lines back together, and just replacing stepan, Richards, and d boyle.....find a center for nash and kid k, find a winger for brass and bazooka, find a center for hag and st Louis, glass moore and Malone should be ok.....I want big mac with moore or hunwick, what veenyo does with c mcd, girlie, stall, and calvin Kline is another experiment.....and put the prince in on Thursday .....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:06 am EST

TD what are you talking about? Miller was horrible last night I saw him twice pas the popcorn in the press box dropping the bag sather told him to follow one of the isles players to see what they were going to eat and he lost his man and when he came back with hot dogs he forgot the mustard horrible game by him can't even get being benched right and instead of watching the game he was playing nintendo ds. The team sucks right now but millet has shown zero during that time hasn't even used the body the excuse wagon is full for him. Jerked around? He's not being jerked around wing takes less thinking it's not jerking him around it's allowing him to settle down........last night was a disaster kostagoal sucks send him down Mack should get the call up he is better than that and will hit and fight. Klein is also nothing special and Mack can't do worse. I said it when he came here jmoore is nothing special great skater ends there. AV better stop the we will lose using my system adjust for the love of god. The d is lost out there use a zone and let them settle down. Nash will score 50 as I said before the season started he is on a mission. Stepan is important to this team and it shows and Boyle as well to head man the puck. Hayes showed me more last night than jitters has. Duclair is a great story but he losses his man at least once a game for a goal or a huge scoring chance has to stop. Glass this guy has shown me nothing since coming here. Malone is going to do his thing give him a couple games.

York18


Wed Oct 15 2014 5:30 am EST

mistakes are being made by the coach, and the players respond in kind......kostka didn't belong with staal, bazookerella belongs with brassard, Malone is a lot better than fast, ...the rest are ideas by the coach and decisions that aren't working....hank should not be in Thursday, but probably will......and the players starting with the captain should stop talking, and start doing.....nash would be the whipping post, but he has done his job....most of the rest are the posts.....if the coach can't get his act together, then he can't expect his players to.......it's going to be a long and painful first 20 games......unless mistakes are corrected by non mistakes not more mistakes......stepan and boyle's replacements are where it started, and the ripple is a wave.....solutions are getting harder to find.....hang 10......or 20.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:38 am EST

tdchi- Kevin Klein is more or less forced to substitute for Anton Stralman, and I mean he just don't even remotely move the puck as well as AS did. We have subbed Stralman with Hunqick/Kostka or Klein lately and it shows how PMDs really are a weak spot for us. Many say that we played well for 2 periods last night, truth to be told -- did the Islanders play well against us during those 2 periods? Not IMO. We matched the Islanders game during 2 periods where you can question if they showed up... I counted numerous sloppy passess from our Ds that a good team would have made us pay for at least in terms of lost momentum.

Ola


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:09 am EST

As for the game, this team is showing that it needs to really develop some intestinal fortitude...there was actually two INCREDIBLE periods of hockey out of the team...But they simply weren't enough to compensate for all the f@ck-ups...And while it's easy to pin things on KOSTKA, the reality is, only two of those six goals were his fault...put BOYLE in that game and it might have ended 6-4 or 6-5...But it still would've been a loss...first up, the Marty ST. LOUIS-in-the-center experiment has got to end. Sorry, but there's just no reason to have this guy in the middle...better on the wing...better to have someone who can take faceoffs in the middle...better to let him stay on the wing, where he can score and distribute the puck...HAYES looked good...still needs work, but you can see he's starting to come on at center...on NASH...who knew the only thing the Rangers needed to do to get him to start scoring again was to string together a bunch of losses? Anyway, good for him. Like I said, I'd love him to prove me wrong...St. DUCLAIR looked OK...made a nice pass on one goal...but he also let his man go and it lead to a goal...I wouldn't say he's solidified his spot on this team quite yet. Promising, yes. A lock? No...Another guy who is starting to really grate on me is KLEIN...he's strung together a nice succession of garbage games...tonight's was no different...MALONE...What I do with him is throw him in for GLASS...Tanner isn't nearly the disaster I envisioned him being, but he just doesn't bring enough to the table to maintain a spot in the lineup...reminds me a bit of a larger, more physical Darrell POWE...zero offense, good player...but just not enough...And this business with Hank sucking...c'mon people...all goalies suck when they get hung out to dry like he was on just about every goal last night...Agree with the notion McILRATH couldn't do any worse...and if I were AV, I swap him in...swap Malone for Glass and get MILLER back in at center. Makes the team faster, tougher and better all around.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:54 am EST

Malone did fine in the role he was in. But guys come on, he has been a huge passanger so far every time he has hit the ice. Especially in pre-season. A lot of players need to do a lot of extra work to get a unit with Malone on it to work. If they can do that, Malones hands around the net will come to use. But I am not sure if thats optimal in the situation we are in.

Ola


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:54 am EST

Man, was I wrong about MILLER...he sure blew that game...we should trade him...oh wait...that's right...he didn't play...

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:50 am EST

NYStranger- Yeah. Also, the collapse in the 3rd period is one thing. Thats one for the headlines. BUT, we also in period 1 AND period 2 give up a lead. We were a team that really needed pts last night. Very rarely does a solid team in big need of pts give up a lead TWICE in this league. That bugs me a lot.

Ola


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:56 pm EST

John Moore had 6 hits tonight

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:32 pm EST

This has been a shitty start. But we do have several rookies, new faces, and many guys playing out of position due to injuries. AV's system seems to take a while with these characters. I really hope not too long and the hole becomes deep early! I gotta sit tight and see how this team gels, give it some time. They looked a hell of a lot better for the first two periods tonight than most of the previous 3games, even the win. Just pulled a classic Ranger move of making the opposing goalie look like a lock for the Vesina. I think they get it together in the next few. Am I happy? Not at all. Am I totally freaking out? Hell no.

NYStranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:21 pm EST

Hospo: I'm in total agreement that Hayes would benefit from top line minutes in the AHL. However, the kid is not playing tense, he needs to shoot when he has the shot, and he has the size where he probably isnt intimidated too easily..(For some reason he reminds me a little of Holik, better hands though.. This kid is "long & strong" as opposed to "long & lanky," & still may be filling out) As for JTMiller, I'm in the camp of putting him on the wing & let him do his thing. Play physical, take the body, keep it simple, be patient with him.. (no trades tonight) I like Hagelin on the 3rd & 4th line wings too, i think he's best suited there but can be moved up where & when needed.. This team must pull together defensively, they will.. We really need John Moore to put it all together and grow into a solid all around defender... ULF are you reading?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:11 pm EST

Glass & Hagelin are -4 & -5 with zero points... I'd consider Hagelin on 4th line RW considering to balance out the size on the lines a bit.

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:09 pm EST

RABID/MF - Personally, I'm not ready to concede a spot to HAYES nor give up on MILLLER nor assume DUCLAIR is being sent down after 4 games filled with chaos....... The problem is, you don't need just 12, you need 14-15..It's a long injury filled season..The Rangers aren't perfect, but thay have the talent and bodies...what they don't have yet, due to AV and some injuries, is stability and chemistry

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:01 pm EST

I'm with ya MF. Long year still but solid group tonight upfront. Best theyve looked. Pop Boyle back in & everybody settles down itll be ok. Do we have a PP goal yet? Our PK, as noted, is killin us. Oh, and Hayes also reminds me of Ryane Smyth. Vic I think it was said Hayes was sjowing signs. I didnt really see it till tonight. Even a loss to Isles pales compared to finding a young 6-5 forward.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:58 pm EST

Check this out: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?navid=nav-sts-indiv#

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:49 pm EST

well if DuClaw gets sent to Jr's when Stepan comes back, and Hayes displaces Miller to the AHL, the top 12 are in no particular order: Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Stemp, Brass, MSL, Malone, Hayes, MZA, Glass, Moore, Hagelin...... If all are healthy, this is pretty much the group I'd take into the battle....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:37 pm EST

He looks like Gresch, Hospo. The no. 13 is still throwing me for a loop though. And that composure is the difference between he & JT right now. Just God plz kid, can the aw shucks unselfish shit and fire the puck. We've already got a Stepan who wont shoot. A- game for the kid. Impressive. Duclair Im no longer sure on. Something's missing.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:18 pm EST

No sense pouring any more dirt on the grave of Kostka...I'll deal with the guys that matter...Starting with the Captain..What the hell has happened to him? Shitty and selfish, set the tone for the entire D..Staal following suit into suckdom...The rest not far behind.....As a team, there is little chemisty between the D and forwards....And that all lies at the feet of AV....Some of the lines are showing chemistry offensively but it's like nobody gives a damn about the rest of the game, especially team defense.....Love the way Nash is playing, my 35 goal forecast is gonna be way low!! Some good things from Duclair....and Malone....who adds so damn much...and Glass...Finally, I have to comment on HAYES given my previous comments...The best I've seen him look so far.....Other games I saw him, he always did something very noticeable offensively butstruggled otherwise.....Tonightt, I thought had he had a few fantastic shifts and looked dangerous offensively on most shifts...Watching him carry the puck with the long reach and taking his time..The Kid is gonna be a good......trying to think who he reminds me of...I still question his all around game and physical maturity and still believe some AHL wquld behoove him but, for now, he means JT and JASPER WHO?

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:15 pm EST

As impressive as St. Louis has been in the middle, I think that experiment has to end. He needs to go back on the wing, potentially with Zuccarello and Brassard. Maybe give Hayes a chance with Nash and Duclair. Duclair-Hayes-Nash, Zuccarello-Brassard-St. Louis, Kreider-Miller-Hagelin, Malone-Moore-Stempniak. As much as I would like to keep Glass in the lineup right now, we just have a glut of good wingers and someone would need to take a seat as Miller needs another chance. I don't think we are at that point where it is time to start dealing for Thornton. I think a solid move for a dman would be good (if there is a move out there to be made). But knee-jerk reactions will come back to bite us later.

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:15 pm EST

BTW, Dregar speculating that E Staal would cost the Leafs, who are apparently interested, something like a first, Bozek and Gardiner. That translates to Brazzard, Hagelin and someone like Skeji I reckon. If so I think I'll pass...

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:11 pm EST

evets: And if missing the POs results in Tampa winning the McDavid sweepstakes, Sather's wrinkled and incompetent ass should be canned, too. Violently.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:10 pm EST

I cant go nuts. Rangers gave up very little, way betterreads in D zone for two periods, had the middle locked mostly. Couldve been up 4-1 easy except for Halekemwhatever. A guy who shouldnt even be playing giftwrapped one, and they unraveled. Hank is flat out not reacting to some shots, IDK why. AV hotseat? Cmon. 5-yr deal, he could lose 10 more like this, he'll still be NYR coach. Try watching that with a bunch if Islander fans in suffolk county if you wanna complain. THAT sucked.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:07 pm EST

ilya... I'm pretty sure that at this point, AV is as far from the hot seat as you can be. The Rangers had a rough start last year and went to the Stanley Cup finals. Now, if the Rangers miss the playoffs and have a rough start next year, then AV could be facing the ax...

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:59 pm EST

If this continues those kind of performances , im talking about few more games like this could AV feel some heat, hot seat ?

ilya


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:55 pm EST

Gotta admit, I found the insertion back into the regular turns Koska after his ridiculous (and forecastable) gaffes both astounding and amusing). My take? AV have given up on the game.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:53 pm EST

I am not liking the coach very much right now...he's as much to blame as anyone else for this embarrassing start. There's really only a single positive and that's Nash's start. Everything else is x degrees of negative. Sather SUCKS!

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:50 pm EST

5 unanswered against, again. What a habit to develop. Malone excellent like everyone but AV thought. Hayes plays like that, might be only center we need is Stepan.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:36 pm EST

Glad I had to bail for a work meeting at 2-1 Rangers.

Bob


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:34 pm EST

I think Glass has been a very positive player for this team. I think St. Louis has been pretty disappointing offensively. Let's start the Brassard+Hagelin for Thornton talk. I'll even throw in Zuccarello for Braun or Demers. Imagine how great Nash, who is scoring like he did back in Columbus and inserting his buddy Thornton.

Higgy21


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:22 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/14/rangers-ravaged-by-rival-islanders-in-msg-beatdown/

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:19 pm EST

Not a perfect solution, but I would shift Moore up with Staal and bring up Allen to play with Klein.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:06 pm EST

Rhet...Moore can skate but what offense does he really provide?.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:05 pm EST

Well that was a kick in the koska. I heard an interview with av and he was sure it was gonna take some games to figure out personnel. I'm sure all the injuries aren't helping. There's allot of positives on the roster by game 20.they will turn it around.

barto


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:05 pm EST

Well that was a kick in the koska. I heard an interview with av and he was sure it was gonna take some games to figure out personnel. I'm sure all the injuries aren't helping. There's allot of positives on the roster by game 20.they will turn it around.

barto


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:48 pm EST

Evets.... I thought Moore has been better for much of the last 2 games. The other problem with him is that we don't have anything to replace him with. All we have in the pipeline is more shutdown defensemen. He is one of the few offensive options we have for AV's system.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:47 pm EST

PJ ..if he doesn't play Malone he is a fool !

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:44 pm EST

Why am I afraid AV won't keep playing Malone?....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:43 pm EST

I'm not sure what the answer is here. Maybe it's time to use Miller and some other pieces to get a steady defenseman. Also, watching John Moore these last few games, it doesn't seem like he is going to be any more than a #6 dman. However, they won't trade him because of his low salary at this point. Kostka's got to go back down and Fast should go down as well. Perhaps Connor Allen and McIlrath should get a shot with Klein moving up to play with Staal.

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:42 pm EST

The positives.... We looked really strong for 2 periods. I expect Malone to play every game for the rest of the season. I also expect Kostka to be gone and never heard from again :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:42 pm EST

Mess....Agreed on the Blues moving Halak....Miller was not the answer....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:41 pm EST

caperanger: not one defenseman made your positives list

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:40 pm EST

This Fishstick team forced the turnovers, me thinks they're through being Cellar Dwellars....... It's time to bring up McIlrath and let him develop some confidence with the big boys.... Me thinks AV needs to coach to the personality of this roster & play to their strengths.. It's still early, but we're giving up 4.75 GPG's, can't win that way, even the CJC knows that. :-)

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:40 pm EST

The positives : N,ash , St. Louis ( plays like a 20 yr old) , Duclair , Hayes , Malone , Stempniak the negatives : everyone else

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:39 pm EST

i don't think this years swoon will last as long as last seasons.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:39 pm EST

Said it the night it happened, and I will say it again- Blues moving Halak for Miller was a blunder of epic proportions

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:38 pm EST

Hank 2013 redux

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:37 pm EST

You know skinny jeans is seething.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:36 pm EST

Mood if he wasn't he'd be getting the blame for this mess

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:36 pm EST

Duclair almost looked like Marty on that pass. A lot of poise there. This kid ain't going back to junior.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:35 pm EST

Nash catches fire and our D falls completely apart....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:35 pm EST

RICK NASH!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:34 pm EST

MathLegs: now Nash is back to a 123 goal pace

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:33 pm EST

So me Veenyo when is Big Mac getting called up? This team needs gonads.... Hank needs protection and contacts...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:32 pm EST

MF... I agree, but unfortunately, we can't release him unless he refuses to report and it's mutually agreed upon.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:30 pm EST

Again. Diaz didn't want to be a 7th D. He wanted more playing time. Right now, he's at least playing every other game. You can't blame the guy. You can't depend on injuries to happen.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:29 pm EST

Rhet, I don't even want him tying up a contract spot

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:28 pm EST

Diaz is looking better & better... should have kept him, the kid had some wheels

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:26 pm EST

Maybe this is AV's way of saying to Sather, "get me a damn defenseman" Kostka needs to be sent down after the game, Hunwick put back in until we decide on a better option(FA or Rookie).

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:26 pm EST

Hank certainly didn't bail us out but that is some horrific defensive play.....Agree we are terrible in front of our net....Nobody is afraid to go there....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:24 pm EST

Hank is no halak tonight

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:24 pm EST

40 shots on goal , guess that's a positive . However , their goalie stopped the big shots when it counted ...

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:24 pm EST

Rhet...Agreed this is not a rookie that needs a confidence boost....He is 28 for crying out loud....AV needed to limit his time in the third....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:23 pm EST

We are so soft in front of our own net....

RDW


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:22 pm EST

After those first two turnover that led to goals, you could see Sunday crawl back into the Rangers psyche.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:22 pm EST

This game is on AV...he chose to put Kostka in and it kostkad us the game....he should have left Atilla the Hunwick in.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:21 pm EST

6-2.....This is like last year's start....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:19 pm EST

Most of our turnovers have come with Kostka on the ice(DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY). Is AV really this stubborn? It's not like he's a kid with a future.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:18 pm EST

No D at all....Sad....Thought this was a mentally tough team....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:18 pm EST

Just to preempt the moaning of the next few days, Rangers played very well for a long time this game.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

this Ranger defence is scaring the hell out of me....was Anton Stralman that good ?

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

I'll guarantee you that McIlrath would never try a touch pass in front of his own net....TWICE!!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

It's time to call up McIlrath, and if JMoore is suckin wind, pair the big guy with Hunwick... Lastly, half our face off guys need to turn their lower hand around and pull the puck back on the faceoff....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

AV

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

If A doesn't send him out there for the 3rd period, it's most likely a completely different game right now.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:15 pm EST

What a steaming pile of BS this game is....GARBAGE!!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:14 pm EST

Most species of frogs are nocturnal

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:14 pm EST

soon time for Hank to skate to the bench again

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:13 pm EST

Never fear, Kostka is here.... again.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:13 pm EST

Humiliated by the Fishsticks in our own building....Killing me...

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:12 pm EST

Time fucking out coach sleepy

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

Wow... I'm sitting here laughing. It's absolutely comical what has happened the past two games.

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

John Moore a such a joke....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

Was that a KOSTKA ?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

Say goodnight Gracie.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:10 pm EST

Is goalie interference not a penalty tonight? .... Time out Veenyo

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:10 pm EST

Wow this is awful....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:09 pm EST

The second turnover worse than the first....Now we are letting down....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:06 pm EST

If we lose this game, it's due to one person. AMAZING.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

at a boy , AV , put him out there some more ....why not just leave him on the ice , he'll figure it out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

Ugggghhh.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

He shouldn't see the ice again....a-hole!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

Rhet; Did he pull a Kostka?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:57 pm EST

Don't Rush sether and veenyo they are making mistakes as fast as they can ... They'll get it right soooon...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:51 pm EST

I've refrained from commenting on Koska because I didn't see how he played last year. I did see how he played the year before that and once the rest of the league caught up to him (because it was the lockout year) what we saw this period is what he was doing more often than not. And remember, in the lockout season, the pace wasn't like it is now. Hopefully, that's it for him. I cannot believe McI wouldn't fare better. In fact, I'm certain he would because he would play it safe with the puck and run guys over no and again.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:48 pm EST

I say Sather needs to make a call to Sami Salo. Even at 50, he has to be better than either of these dimrods we have on this team. He's still sitting at home.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:48 pm EST

the isles are lucky to be coming out of this period tied . Love those 2 kids , Duclair and Hayes ..leave Miller where he is for now . Malone should have been on the ice the last 3 games , AV said he didn't have a spot for him ?? Really ???

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:46 pm EST

Anyone still think Duclair is halfway to Jrs after 4 games? His confidence is increasing, he's taking great shots, he's on the 1st PP unit....he ain't going anywhere. On every shift Malone showing why he should play

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:46 pm EST

AV needs to shorten the bench in the 3rd and only play five D.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:44 pm EST

From this day forward, when a Ranger passes the puck to the opposing team in the defensive zone, it will be known as a KOSTKA..... As in, "he pulled a Kostka"

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:42 pm EST

Friggin' Kostka is already on my sh!t list! He's short-circuited several dominating possessions in the O-zone by shooting wide and out of the zone and then that half-assed giveaway.....screwed the whole period.....dominated the whole period and he gives up that garbage giveaway!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:42 pm EST

Kostka couldn't make it on the worst defence in hockey , the Leafs, so how is he on the ice for us ?

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:39 pm EST

Froggy, they can't handle Malone.....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:39 pm EST

And that ladies and gentlemen is why Kostka sucks.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:39 pm EST

Dickaletti what did tavernas do all summer for the 3rd time? You repeating senile traitor ...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:37 pm EST

Has there been a Zuccarello sighting tonight?

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:34 pm EST

Hayes ran out of real estate too quickly. Should've passed ....Stevie.... He's had some head scratchers but he hasn't been awful... he's been more like Girardi :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:34 pm EST

This Hayes kid is gonna make it tough for JT Miller. Ultimately is good for the team..

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:29 pm EST

Captain not looking good ... Passing up shots on pp...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:27 pm EST

Malone sits the for 3 games but he's been on the 1st PP unit.. What's up Froggy, je ne comprends

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:22 pm EST

Attention: AV...... Ryan Malone..... DUH.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:15 pm EST

Kreider is very much a factor tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:09 pm EST

PJ; Agree on getting McI in there. A dynamic we need on D. Boy Stemp is relentless. Keep it up.

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:00 pm EST

MCI can't get a look but this bum Kostka is in there....The guy sucks....Stay out of the damn box and we are fine....Killing our momentum....McD not looking like McD......

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:59 pm EST

Rangers were moving their feet and showing intensity that period. They need to stay out of the penalty box and keep up the speed & intensity.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:56 pm EST

We are playing Michelletti's team tonight.....Nauseating as usual.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:46 pm EST

Made the captain look like tenille

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:43 pm EST

Forgot they picked up Conacher. Used to like that little sob.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:40 pm EST

The King came up Spades on that save.....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:37 pm EST

Did Hank get memo?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:30 pm EST

Sham Blows'em

TradeStar28


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:29 pm EST

Wow...could Sam fuckin Rosen be more excited on that goddamn power play goal? Go fuk urself Sam

TradeStar28


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:23 pm EST

Moof how do you count to 21?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:22 pm EST

Put that puck in mclarens crib ... lil nash ....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:21 pm EST

That goal by Nash is a result of confidence

nyfans


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:20 pm EST

Malone doesnt look slow. Nasher! That one"s for McLaren Nash.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:48 pm EST

Im expecting a savage NYR attack 1st period. 3-1, 4-1 Rangers. Calling Hayes first NHL tally. And theyd better look out for Zuc. Hes not a happy little man. Here's to poundin it up Garth Snow's ass! Cheers!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:43 pm EST

Yeah, OK, the Islanders are the "hot" team.....hot with 2 straight wins against the Candy Canes. If the Rangers get their sh!t together tonight, we'll see how "hot" they are against the speed of the Rangers, Rangers need to take this game very seriously and come out with a swagger and a bad attitude.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:48 pm EST

Of all the guys you listed Hospo, I dont think thered be too much variance in Step being one of their best, if not the best of the bunch thus far. That means theres lots of upside, we know many of these guys are real good. And still a very long way to go. Stemp also gave Anisimov some shot in the mush the other night, which I quite enjoyed.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:42 pm EST

stevie; Agreed - work hard and play smart. Be mindful of where you are on the ice, where your teammates are and what the opposition is doing. I didn't see the BJ game, but I suffered thru the Leaf game and the Rangers lacked zip AND smarts.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:40 pm EST

Just watch the highlights of the Pack win over Syracuse the other night. Nice shot by Lindbergh to win it in OT. And holy crap, is McI phreakin' HUGE. At least on one clip, when he comes in to celebrate a goal, he sure looked massive, dwarfing his teammates. Looks like he might be paired with Bodie - if so, I like that combination.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:36 pm EST

The winger that looked the most ready is haggerty when Veenyo is good and ready....as he continues to try and reinvent the wheel ... Then spin some more until December ... Guess that's part of his mo .... But this team needs to stop the bs and dig down and win tonight no matter who he puts on the ice .... Stop the bs and work hard....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:25 pm EST

NICK - Totally disagree..I think it's a pretty deep and talented roster with the only significant hole bieng a 3rd C type..BRass, Step, MZA, NASH, St. Louis, Krieder, Duclair..., --That's alot of talent..and then there's guys like Hags, Malone, Stemp, Glass, and some kids (maybe) playing roles.....The King is still one of the best, as is the D when they have their act together...I honestly don't see anything better in the East..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:25 pm EST

NIck: The nagging little worry many of us have I suspect, but endeavoring to stay positive (it ain't easy, given the lousy start, that's for sure!).

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:23 pm EST

So the Miller carousel is spinning merrily, but 4 games into the regular season. I get the need for patience with this guy but at the same time, I get that he needs to produce or in the very least, not be a detriment. Tough spot for both sides when the team has been outplayed in all 3 games and have performed progressively worse in each outing. When you're a perceived cup contender anyways. If this yo-yo activity is to be the norm again for Miller, the Rangers need to make a decision on him IMO, at least in the near term: Farm him out and leave him in Hartford for at least 2 months or trade him. It certainly appears the Rangers have deemed the 3rd option - let him sort his issues out by dressing him regularly - is not an option at all.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:54 pm EST

Disagree Nick. This is a pretty stacked roster with everyone healthy and playing to their abilities. Not perfect, but then no one's is. Could always be better though, I grant you :)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:24 pm EST

I can't deny last year's close call but you know that was a get-in-get-hot thing. It could happen again of course but that's still a thin, tinkered roster we have here. Also as an aside: I'm sure glad the Nasher is showing up for these big October games. I hope he scores 60. But I really hope he gets a few in April and May.

Nick


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:20 pm EST

I'm getting the same feeling with JT I had with Dubinsky. Put him in a small market somewhere he's counted on, where he'll get lots of minutes, eventually he'll figure it out and become a pretty valuable player. This is a pressurized place anytime, but especially this year. Not the easiest of circumstances, but there are about a million guys who would kill for the opportunity he has. Rock somebody. Show how much you want it. Shake the indecisiveness and play a simple meat-n-potatoes game. All Id ask of the coaches is leave him in one damn spot. And sure, wing is less complicated. if you cant patrol up and down your wing, you cant play! But if the center experiment is over, that's it. He's a wing. Sink or swim!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:00 pm EST

WILD - Who said MILLER can't handle benchings?...You're right, being benched is part of learning the ropes in the NHL..and MILLER has deserved it and done it and has come back with decent games..Let's hope it works again..You keep trying with a kid with his physical ability....I still think he's being played at the wrong position but ti only matters what AV thinks..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 2:52 pm EST

I am sorry, I like Miller, but by now if being sat in the stands after the 3rd game in a row with little to show, and seemingly worse than game one away from the puck, and a really bad game overall makes him a bundle of nerves, or makes t hard for him to play....trade him NOW. Get him away from the team as fast as possible. A rookie, sure, a kid who is 18, 19 OK, but Miller is 21 and in his 3rd pro season (also had 8 games of playoffs before his first regular season) He needs to put his big boy pants on and be a NHL level Pro, enough already, either do the job the coaches have been asking of you for 3 years (two coaches now have had the same issues, no more blaming Torts) I am starting to wonder if what we see is his best, sure maybe he starts to get more offensive stuff going, but if its a nightmare every time the other team has the puck, forget it. And he needs to be able to be sat at times, thats part of growing in the NHL, ESPECIALLY on a team that has the cup in mind. Sure theIslanders for years could play a young kid and have him be bad, but it didn't really change anything, you don't see cup teams running out young kids making mistakes over and over, they sit them to let them learn, and work with them. If Miller can't handle that, than he isn't the types of player that the Rangers should want around.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 14 2014 2:17 pm EST

NICK - And with that collection, we almost won the whole damn thing last year! The rangers have some holes (but also some trade chips to deal with) but there may not be a team in the East I would want to trade places with..well, unless AV stays pigheaded ALL year..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:58 pm EST

If Slats can hoodwink some duller GM into thinking guys like Miller and Fast are NHLers, maybe he can package and steal a real center from someplace. Even with Stepan we have a collection of one number two, one number three and about 17 number fours. Just MHO of course.

Nick


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:52 pm EST

I was watching the highlights on the NHL network last night and was gonna mention what i saw (actually didn't see) in the OTT @ FLA game..http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/10/13/6972237/panthers-attendance-senators...smallest crowd ever...How long can that team last if it doesn't win fast ..Of course, Bettman woukd have you think nothing is wrong..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:36 pm EST

Hospo -- the KISS principle for JT? I agree....start with the basics, let him go up and down the wing without having to worry about the defensive responsibilities of a center. Let him skate, bang bodies, go to the net, shoot the puck....basic stuff that we all know he can do well. Let him do it on a line with less pressure to score and maybe he'll relax and just play hockey. But, to a large extent, it's the coach's job to figure out how to put him in a position to succeed....I just think AV has made up his mind to a certain extent. I also think JT knows it, so he goes out there trying to CHANGE the coach's mind by a) doing things exactly the way the coach wants it (so he ends up thinking too much); or B) trying to force things to make a big play so he can stand out. It's tough to be a young guy who doesn't have the coach's confidence.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:14 pm EST

RABID - Why's he's doing none of that stuff is becasue he's playing 2nd /3rd line C and thinking too much about his other responsibilities to the point where it is hindering his game....Just my theory.....The kid can skate, we know that, he's strong and we have seen him hit in the past...Put him on 4th line wing and tell him j to do just that...Let him get confident then maybe you move him up.and expand his role...Baby steps for the kid...Just how I would do it..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:07 pm EST

Zuc fine and back in per AV.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:57 pm EST

Just to be clear on what every chance means thru 3 games, and I agree AV has given him a decent chance before this scratch, but JT has had 50 shifts and just over 36 minutes TOI. Two sides of the coin. 3 games averaging around 12 minutes per isn't the biggest audition sampling ever. Nor however, has JT even once bombed anybody with an open ice hit, or crashed the net, or made a standout play on either side of the puck, or made the slightest impact IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:44 pm EST

JFC - I don't k now about that short leash,..AV was giving MILLER every chance in the world....including PP time and different linemates...MILLER has just done nothing with a huge opportunity...He kinda deserves to sit.....BUt, he should be brought back in for another chance...I still think he belongs on the 4th Wing as a start...Him and Glass could give us a 4th line with some identity...

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:43 pm EST

JFC, 100% agree, it is a very short lease. Thing is, that just complicates matters IMO. If you're not giving up on the kid, turn him loose. Don't make him more uptight than he already is. I don't trust him out there either, but they have him up here, 3 games in, a bundle of nerves and a spectator. And I totally agree on JT & Malone, they had something going. AVs always looking for pairs and chemistry, what was the problem there? Just a messy start to the year all around.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:35 pm EST

RR -- problem is, that AV has JT on a very short leash....he's simply not convinced he can play well consistently. JT went -4 last game....when your already on a short leash, a -4 gives the coach an excuse to give you a seat.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

td -- I agree, Miller did seem to have some nice chemistry with Malone and I'd like to see those 2 together at some point. The problem is, that AV seems to hold them in the same regard right now....he's not sold on either one.....so the odds of them together at this point are slim to none. But, we'll have to take it one step at a time....first, Malone has to show he can be an asset...enough so that he becomes a regular or at least a guy who is used often. Once that happens, Miller has to be given another shot to start in a game when Malone is playing and AV remembers the chemistry that was there....I thought it was pretty obvious. Miller does have wheels, but he seems to be able to and comnfortable with slowing things down a bit. That helps with a guy like Malone. An interesting line that might work at the same speed would be Hayes-Malone-Miller.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:25 pm EST

Just on seniority I'd have kept playing Miller over Hayes. JTs been waiting a lot longer for his shot. Give him these next 10 games at least, get a gauge on what this kid is already. Unless theyve given up all hope on him as a center, he should've never been moved to wing ( even though I thought that's where he's looked best and his future most likely lies). But this is ad hoc b.s. Have a friggin plan for the kid and stick with it. One game under .500 and it's out the window. Best news for me is Fast getting scratched. Thought AV was in love like he was with Richards.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:24 pm EST

MF - I would..Broken record, but I just think HAYES needs to be learning in the AHL..Better for him and the Rangers in the long run.,...The consistently best of all of Miller, Hayes,Linberger,Lombardi and Mueller in the preseason was MUELLER..I'd have him up for HAYES and as a extra forward that can play for whoever, in this instance the struggling MIller (not the only struggling player but let's be real about whpo will sit)

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:24 pm EST

MF - I would..Broken record, but I just think HAYES needs to be learning in the AHL..Better for him and the Rangers in the long run.,...The consistently best of all of Miller, Hayes,Linberger,Lombardi and Mueller in the preseason was MUELLER..I'd have him up for HAYES and as a extra forward that can play for whoever, in this instance the struggling MIller (not the only struggling player but let's be real about whpo will sit)

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:22 pm EST

sat

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:13 pm EST

Would you have sit Hayes instead of Miller?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:09 pm EST

Glad MALONE is in, sorry that it's at the expense of MILLER...frankly, they should be on a line together. Malone plays a game Miller should(and occasionally does) pattern. They looked real good on a line together.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:05 pm EST

woops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdPfBx4HFDc

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:05 pm EST

Waiver wire: Know it's not likely to happen given the Rangers' roster situation, but the Jets' Patrice CORMIER was just put on waivers...simply put, he's what the Rangers need right now on their bottom line...defensively reliable center, has offensive upside and is just mean. Good forechecker...nasty player. Got in a lot of trouble for ending a kid's career in juniors...career really hit the rocks as a result of injury...at 24 years old, 6'2 and 215 pounds, he'd be a help in the middle, but the Rangers really don't have room right now and I suspect they wouldn't think too highly of putting him at third-line center...But if the goal is to bring some skill AND toughness to the Rangers, Cormier would be a great claim...Brian GIBBONS, a former Pen and teammate of Kreider/Hayes, is also on the wire. I can't see any use for him, though I do like him as a player.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:04 pm EST

Malone: I hope there's no residual with his so called hip flexor, and I hope there's no "one & done" attitude toward him.. As stated ad nauseam, he brings something we ain't got, & with plenty of regular season & playoff experience to boot......... RR: for your Moses quote: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eltonjohn/bordersong.html

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:45 am EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV on D in all 3 zones: "To get the puck back you have to have five guys on the same page...we’re not where we need to be right now."

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:03 am EST

Malone is in for the first time this season. My guess is that if he doesn't impress, good chance he sits and Miller comes back in.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:00 am EST

Yeah, good that Malone is finally in, though a mucking role doesn't best serve him or the team IMO, with the other lines in flux. If Malone doesn't score from the 4th line, does he sit the next 3? Eh, AV is showing half a brain, guess I should be happy.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:00 am EST

veenyo must be seeing spots now.....next move is to call Mueller up if centers continue to be wingers.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:56 am EST

RABID - MALONE needs to be in like we all have said...FAST does not hurt the team but is pretty much a non entity..Should be a Black Ace,....Guess it comes down to MILLER vs HAYES..Neither have showed me much since pre-season but I think MILLER is more physically ready...Still, the bench can be a great learning experience for some..Hope it is for MILLER...

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:47 am EST

guess veenyo is being read the wall by lb.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Malone confirmed he's in tonight.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Kostka with Staal shouldn't be much worse than Klein and Staal. Having Klein back with Moore is optimal, but any D pair that tricks Staal into thinking he can join the rush more is problematic. With Boyle, Staal has no such illusion.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:23 am EST

Lundqvist vs Halak tonight

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:11 am EST

Malone practicing with 1st PP unit. Save us Moses!Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:09 am EST

I think McBain wasn't qualified in Buffalo because of all the kids they have coming up on D (Ristolainen, McCabe, Zadorov) the emergence of Pysyk and Mike Weber. They also let Ehroff go this offseason. That being said, he is at the moment a fringe NHLer. #7 or #6.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:58 am EST

Fast had to come out IMO. Kid has shown zilch over two seasons. But said in summer, give JT his games, same position. 20-40, make a determination. He hasn't played great but this I don't think is fair to him. But the world dont run on fair, and its Hayes right now that's squeezing him out.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:55 am EST

HOORAY! Malone & Glass with Moore in morning skate. JT Miller & Fast appear to be scratches.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:45 am EST

On STAAL - Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Carolina was shopping him quietly...the Staal brothers didn't really pan out for them in the way they thought...Jordan still hasn't become the number-two center and Eric...well, he's been the Canes' version of Rick Nash...I agree with Ola in some regards...when Staal disappears, he VANISHES. And it's not for just a couple of games....it's for weeks at a time...he almost always starts the season out really slow and despite getting a fairly strong supporting cast, hasn't done squat to lead the Canes back to the post-season since 2009...What would he cost? More than THORNTON. He'd be an instant whipping boy too...bottom line is, folks, these centers everyone seems to want so bad aren't going to come over for Danny KRISTO, a late-round draft pick and John MOORE...they're going to cost pieces that no one wants to lose.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:33 am EST

It's that damn Hansel! He's so hot right now!

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:30 am EST

Here's all you need to know about Jamie McBAIN: Buffalo, despite trading a second rounder and SEKERA for him, decided not to give him a qualifying offer...in other words, the worst defensive team in the east...perhaps in the NHL...wasn't interested in signing him...I won't hold it against him for not making the Yotes, since they have a very good defense...But let's just say I wouldn't expect much from the guy...a lower pairing type for a bottom-dwelling team...last word on him was that he was headed over to the KHL...It should be noted though, the UWisconsin connection between him, STEPAN and McDONAGH. McBain lead the team in scoring one year.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:15 am EST

Carolina is ready to move on from the Staals. Phoenix, I believe, is building around Hanzal. I haven't read anything about him being available.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:49 am EST

Before I went after Staal I think Id try to bag Martin Handzel from Arizona. Hes not the scorer JT or Staal is, but he's mean, huge and he can skate. 30-40pt guy but hard to play against.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:41 am EST

I must be getting old. I want nothing to do with any of these big name (super expensive) players. The smart move is to be very calm and patient right now. This team is good, they just need some time to get on track.

hipcheck


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:21 am EST

rf so all you want is a cup roster, that wins it, guys ready in the ahl for the nhl, and a stockpile of picks? how about a dynasty too?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:57 am EST

RF4L- Yeah, the NHL draft is always a humble pie in that regard. Boy we knew Hank Lundqvist was going to be great, Rocker saw something in him, but we still picked goalie Johan Asplund a few picks ahead of him and Asplund sucked. Detroit stole Hank Zetterberg for sure, but look at the players they took ahead of him and how they sucked.

Ola


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:53 am EST

RF4L- I would stay long away from Eric Staal to be honest. I think there are all kind of issues involved with the solid stats he put up for Carolina which many take as an account for him still being a potential major asset on a Cup winning team. Why do I feel like that? Its just that when you play against Carolina or you watch Carolina play -- does E Staal stand out for anyone as a major contributor? Carolina sucks big time and E Staal from my POV is as big of a reason as any, Carolina sucks when he is on the ice and they sucks when he is off it. Everything goes through him on the PP and he get the top minutes 5 on 5, and yes, that results in pts on the board. He has been there a long time and they get the job done in that regard. In saw E Staal live a few times on the big ice in Europe during the WCHs a few years ago -- and he was a complete non-factor on the ice. He did nothing offensively, looked like a stiff when he got the puck and he is a darn slow skater. After the trackrecord we have with big UFA signings, showings like that just scares the heck out of me.

Ola


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:19 am EST

Great article by MacKenzie on Duclair and I love his rebuttal point about Clark saying the Rangers were 'surpirsed' Duclair was still available in the 3rd round, but surprised enough to take him with either of the first 2 of their 3 3rd round selections. More evidence that the draft is a crap-shoot, but especially so after you get past the top half of the first round. It also emphasizes something I've been saying for years: Stockpiling draft picks, including mid-round picks, is a wise strategy. Duclair would be wowing another organization if Sather hadn't piled up 3 3rd rounders 2 drafts ago

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:12 am EST

Eric Staal has a no movement clause so he can control his own destiny. He's got 1 year left after this season on a $8,500,000 contract. IMO, any deal starts with Brassard going the other way. Would something like Brassard and Hagelin work I wonder (which would bring a salary difference of $1,250,000). I suspect the Canes would hold out for a viable prospect to be added. I also suspect Staal would wave his no movement clause to join Marc.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:18 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/mckenzie-the-fascinating-story-of-rangers-forward-duclair-1.105742

puckyou


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:18 am EST

"Coach Alain Vigneault broke up every single line combination going into the match, and he would have even if Mats Zuccarello hadn’t been sidelined with what is believed an ailing shoulder. Incredibly, no unit contained even two forwards who were regular linemates last year."

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:12 am EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/ny-rangers-hurting-kevin-hayes-opportunity-impress-article-1.1972896

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:02 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/rangers-islanders-rivalry-as-intense-as-ever-1.9499763

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:48 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/14/streaking-islanders-slumping-rangers-set-to-battle/

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:02 am EST

When I said McBain was third last year in blocked shots, I meant with Buffalo.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:43 pm EST

RF or Rhet, I forget which sry, but I dont think Lindberg is the end all, be all, he just caught my eye last year. We all gravitate towards some players more than others for whatever reason. But do I think the team would benefit from solid two-way play from a 3C, and do I think Lindberg is better suited than Miller or Hayes? Yes, guilty! Ill tell ya who else hasnt looked so hot and thats Dom Moore. Lets see if AV matches him against Tavares/Okposo tonight and how he does. Last year AV wouldve went strength v. strength but with Step out & MSL maybe he tries to shut them down.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:26 pm EST

Rangers had some interest in McBain a year or so ago. Idk about now but wouldnt surprise me & wouldnt hurt, considering it might not be only time Boyle visits IR. Schneidw, to give a good answer it helps to know what a team really needs, as opposed to just throwing names out. Im not as familiar with the Canes top to bottom, but lets assume if theyre moving Staal theyll want a center that can be a no. 1-2 at some point relatively soon.Id also have to say I think Thorton is a much better fit for us, now, for Nash, he makes $3m less (Staal makes a whopping 9.5 this year & next) and he wants to be here, if you believe the circumstantial evidence. Ive also never been crazy about Eric, hes streaky and he's really tailed off & battled injuries lately. That said, sure Id take him, right price. But him theres no discount like Thorton, who's in a bad situation. He's 4 years younger and you gotta trade for him outright. Have to figure one of Miller/Hayes/Lindberg, one of Moore/McIlrath/Skjei and theyd probably hold out for a Duclair or Buchnevich, plus a pick .whether thats a No. 1 might depend on if we part with Duke or Buch, maybe they take a 2nd or later if so. Basically 3 valuable pieces Id think. And thats if they dont demand NHL players ((and Id guess they would demand at least one) But I think you get Thorton for one good piece and a few scraps. And you dont have to move a significant player like Klein to fit him. Jmwo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:33 pm EST

McBain was third in blocked shots last season. His 113 would have been third-most for us also. Doesn't hit or fight though.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:30 pm EST

Meanwhile: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=35&id=643384&navid=nhl:topheads

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:18 pm EST

Nothing on twitter about interest in McBain

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:16 pm EST

Was released by Phoenix, signed in KHL like two weeks ago

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:10 pm EST

McBain played with McDonaugh at U of Wisconsin for two seasons, with Stepan for one. If we pick him up, should try to move kostka.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:05 pm EST

HE

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:04 pm EST

I mentioned McBain as a possible 7th when Buffalo didn't re-sign him. However, I think he has a PTO from some team and was released before preseason ended. I thought I was headed to Europe

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:55 pm EST

McBain: ... http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473571&docid=TeamPlayerBio:35818#&navid=nhl-search

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:49 pm EST

There is a rumor that the Rangers may have some interest in UFA Right Defenseman Jamie McBain.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:40 pm EST

Eric Staal turns 30 on October 29th... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3543

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:36 pm EST

Before moving Miller to 4th line RW, I'd like another look & see with Malone on his left flanK & Stemp or DuClaw on his right.. If Mza was in the line-up, I'd like a look at Miller on the LW with Brassard & MZA.. I see Miller as a bull in a china shop that can put the puck on the stick. Additionally, perhaps the defensive side of his game is better served as a wing than of a center... I have no problem with Hagelin on 4th line RW with Moore & Glass for the time being, they'd be a forechecking nightmare capable of scoring for the opposition to deal with... Last years 4th line seemed to serve as "A" foundation for Coach AV, and other lines fell into place.. That 4th line structure could be key, & then build out.... Here's some combo's to litmus test: Kreider / Hayes / Nash ..... Stemp / Brassard / MSL ..... Malone / Miller / Duclaw ..... Glass / Moore / Hagelin ....... McD-Girardi ... Staal-Klein.... Hunwick-Kostka.... John Moore sits this one out!

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:35 pm EST

Now I'm more confused. Is this the same jt jitters who proved in the playoffs he belongs? Wow this guy is now a cat with nine lives.... Is there a jt jitters secret fan club ? ... The same guy that came to camp really ready? Can't wait for him to prove he's the next top center .... Not holding my breath neither are the nyr.... He needs a kid k intervention enlightenment and awakening ..... Show me ....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:34 pm EST

HOSPO- Patience please... 3 games is NOT enough time to evaluate a 21YO JT Miller...especially because he bouncing between C and LW... he will come around... remember how many Wallsters were ready to trade Kreider???

schneidw


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:32 pm EST

RABID RANGER- Since you brought it up, the idea of trading for Eric Staal is something that I can absolutely get behind and endorse because he is a super solid #1 center, plays both sides of the ice, great leader, and Stanley Cup Winner and 31YO.. all things Thorton is NOT. Carolina is obviously not going to make the playoffs and are hurting revenue wise and probably will lose Staal to UFA eventually so it makes sense for them to consider trading Staal while he has top value....the price for Eric Staal will be high..which is obviously problematic... and he also needs to be resigned soon... hard deal to make.... What do you think is a fair and reasonable offer that NYRs can live with?

schneidw


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:44 pm EST

NOT be offering up,,,,,,

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:43 pm EST

TDCHI - Again, I like MILLER's physical talents..but his mental game and how anything translates to on ice production, I have been disappointed with,,.If he was a vet, you would offering up the excuses and rationalizations about his inconsistent at best play..Compare that with Duclair who has the tools but also seems to know what to do with the tools on the ice and seems to be way ahead in the thought process...I was hoping MILLER's mental game would click this season but I see no evidence YET..Luckily, AV is giving him all the chances in the world, including PP

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:34 pm EST

Bickel waived and Mashinter demoted

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:26 pm EST

RF4L-I thought that was a common theme the last 2 games. Lots of drive-bys by the Rangers and very few by opponents.

Bob


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:02 pm EST

mf: I share your concern about tomorrow night. I am hoping what unfolds is something we saw often last year - a lousy stretch with no expectations for things to change and BAM, the team suddenly shows up.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:58 pm EST

I watched Miller closely for a couple of periods last night.. Besides what's been cited on here with regards to his mistakes (which I am prepared to forgive because he's pressing and the team is sucking) is his continual decisions NOT to hit. Time and time again there was an opportunity to take the man out (and I'm not talking about running someone thru the boards) and Miller did what we have seen from the Rangers in general far too often for the past x number of years: sliding by with a half-assed stick check attempt. This is not a small bodied dude - there are no excuses (in my books) for drive-byes when you are struggling to generate anything offensively and you are trying to establish your NHL presence.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:52 pm EST

And with all due respect, if Lindberg is the answer to what ails the Rangers, then the sky is about to fall. Or hell is freezing over. Or more relevant, the entire Ranger management team should be fired for missing the beyond obvious.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:49 pm EST

TD: Kreider was moved off the Nash/MSL line and abruptly disappeared last night...you need a center to make a line go 98 times out of 100.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:46 pm EST

Mess: Yes, I understand the weighted format. What I did not implicitly say is (quoting you) 'even a 5% chance of drafting McDavid (assuming the even more improbable odds of missing the playoffs and finishing in the bottom ten) is better off than getting MSL and the Stanley Cup Finals'. Those are your words. What I am talking about is risk and result. If that trade results in just that (a cup final), I don't like it regardless of where the Bolts draft next June because giving up 2 firsts for that return is silly (IMO). Giving up 2 firsts 16 months prior to the McDavid (and now Eichel) sweepstakes isn't something I'd ever do, regardless of where I thought my team might end up. All that said, you ended your last post with the words 'sounds delusional to me'. That is, of course, totally cool - you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. We can agree to disagree.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:40 pm EST

4 divied by 3 x 82 does not equal 123. Now you're talking periods of play? Spare me.... We're gonna get pounded by an Islander team that's flexing their new identity.... It aint gonna be pretty... Hear that Froggy?

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:35 pm EST

Got to figure JT Miller is well aware of the opportunity in front of him.. IMHO, the kid is pressing real hard to the point of getting in his own way, aka: becoming his own worst enemy... He needs to find a way to put aside the tension while he's competing.. I also believe that the hockey IQ may not come as natural to him as it does a guy like The Duke, so JT may be working extra hard to be perfect.. At this time I think he needs to focus more on limitting the mistakes than being perfect...... respectfully, The CJC...

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:16 pm EST

Hospo - Again, the problems I see with MILLER aren't problems with his game, per se...it's an adjustment to playing in an up-tempo system. His timing needs to come online and once it does(because I fully believe it will), he'll be much better. Ironically, I think Miller is one of those players who kind of benefits from playoff hockey because, while certainly a lot more competitive, it's noticeably slower than the regular season because more obstruction is being allowed...The problem here is that this kid keeps getting bounced from one assignment to the next...he belongs where he is, which is at center. He needs to be on a line where he can make mistakes and then learn from them...jerking him from center to wing and back down to Hartford isn't helping the situation here...That's why I still think he'd be a great guy to pair with someone like KREIDER and ST. LOUIS.

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:49 pm EST

I get 123 with no ot

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:48 pm EST

Moof recalculate 4 in 8 periods see if you get same answer... Does generator work on moon power?

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:44 pm EST

Legs: The answer is 109.333 .... :-)

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:23 pm EST

Cannot extend St. Louis IMO. have to see how he plays 2nd half & POs. Besides you want him good and pissed off with something to prove. He's thrived his whole career that way. But I wouldnt hand him a roster spot for 2015-16. You can always sign him as a UFA.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:57 pm EST

MF - I was only thinking about forwards, but thanks...I forgot about STEP's bridge contract and Hags is that old already? Wow, time flys....And why a team should go for it every year..

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:47 pm EST

Moof trade them all before they leave ... Get to work on your trade generator version 2014-15 .. The line generator needs more input...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:43 pm EST

Unsigned next yr. Stepan,Hag's,Staal.Stemp.MSL.JMoore.. I think that's it...

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:35 pm EST

RABID - Talking about BUCHENIVICH and the forseable future stuff, a curious factor that will arise before Christmas is whether the Rangers want to extend St. Louis through next year..Very likely...Everybody else is signed except STEMP, I think

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:28 pm EST

TDCHI - What wheels of Miller? I know he's fast but they are rarely on display..The kid needs to be at Wing and just banging and skating and letting his physical attibutes take over...Please put him with Glass and Moore,..And even if Lindbeger and Mueller don't have the speed or hands of MIlller, it's not your skills, it's how you play the two-way game

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:16 pm EST

Big Joe ay? How about Stepan, Brassard, Miller, Connor Allen, Haggerty, and all our picks for next year for Eric, Jordan, Jared Staal, & they eat $2.85 mill for one year?

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:14 pm EST

I am surprised since you mentioned Fast, TD, that AV doesnt have the same love for Lindberg, at least not yet, dince both arw those textbook swedish players, extremely well schooled. Weve been over the rest enough, have our respective thoughts. Its good, its what makes fandom interesting. See what happens. Ill point out this, since Schneid brought up assets. A kid like Buchnevich, who has been showing some seriously Malkinesque shit in the K, may well not have a place to play here for the forseeable. Weve NEVER in my life experienced that kind of depth. Its not everywhere, its not as high end as we might like, but we'vd got a load of talent. Haggerty alone may someday outscore EVERYBODY. Im not kidding.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:03 pm EST

RR - I feel like a broken record saying this, but man, LINDBERG needs the time he's getting in Hartford. I saw a little of the game last night and the kid looked good...but if JT MILLER is struggling with AV's system, Lindberg ain't going to be any different. He doesn't have nearly the wheels or the hands of Mills...one place where we may agree, however, is that I think he'd be a more reliable third or fourth line center right now...but what he's getting in Hartford --top line minutes --is better than getting banged like a gong in AV's up-tempo system...And another thing...Lindberg had a good camp, but he even got beat out by MUELLER in terms of the competition for center...He needs his minutes in the A. The Rangers as a whole need to step up and battle through adversity...making knee-jerk decisions three games in sets a very bad tone for the rest of the season...If by month's end, Lindberg is still potting a goal a game, then that's a knock loud enough the Rangers will have to open the door. Otherwise, I say let him stay there and develop confidence. And frankly, I'd land FAST down there with him.

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:58 pm EST

Veenyo should recall mueller to play center ( right handed too) but he probably won't ... Needs to make his December projection correct... Should be a fun ride... Deja vu all over again...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:54 pm EST

As for the early-season woes...first, sorry to see the Rangers knuckle under like that, but again...not a big surprise considering who is out...the line situation is is just brutal...the NASH-MSL-KREIDER line is starting to remind me a bit of the NASH-RICHARDS-GABORIK line...nice in theory, but in practice? You're loading up the top line and making it easier for opponents to shut down the other three lines...also goes against AV's crucial advantage last year, which was to roll all four lines...you load up like that, then you end up with mismatches...Now there's been a lot of bagging on any rookie not named DUCLAIR and from where I stand, fairly needlessly. This is a quick system AV is trying to employ here...took his team of vets almost two MONTHS to figure it our last year...Now a team that has suffered three consecutive injuries to its stars...has rookies and retreads inserted into veteran roles...and in this fast-paced system...everything has to click. One small error and the whole system comes crashing down...When things click, the Rangers look incredible. My DVR forced me into the game with about four minutes left and it was crazy to see that score and how the Rangers were controlling the puck down low...the last four minutes of that game was probably the best they played...and yet when the scoreboard is 6-3, it makes no difference.

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:51 pm EST

Schneid, 2 losses have nothing to do with it for me. If a kid cant step up & grab it, we need a C. If theyd made a good deal in July Id have been fine with it. And for all we know they make a move for Eric Staal instead. So its not all about Jumbo. As long as everybody is getting their audition id luv to see Oscar get get his. But they dont care what I think. But God plz spare me the assets speech.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:51 pm EST

Better late than never Brooksie!

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:49 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 4h 4 hours ago This thought in advance of NYI visit to MSG tomorrow: There is no legitimate reason for Ryan Malone not to be in #NYR lineup & on PP

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:48 pm EST

re: THORNTON - It's a moot point. He's not a Ranger and won't be unless something seriously awry happens in San Jose. Want the reasons? Scroll down to E's post. He said it perfectly. Instead discussing what it'd take to land Jumbo Shrimp, we might as well start talking about what the SEDINS will cost. Maybe KESLER? Any other old centers out there who will never be Rangers I'm missing?

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:41 pm EST

cigars for everybody.... Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Just got back to the house so a little late with this but, yes, Rick and Jessica Nash now proud parents of a baby boy.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:34 pm EST

THORTON- Seriously wallsters,NYRs lose 2 games and now you want to trade a former #1 pick and other assets for a 35YO center with a huge contract and is in decline...have we not learned yet from past mistakes??

schneidw


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:26 pm EST

Nash's start has been very encouraging as has Duclair's. I really like the kid's game and his effort. The big problem right now is up the middle. I think they need to call up Lindberg and put together the following lines: Zuccarello (when healthy)-Brassard-St. Louis, Duclair-Hayes-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Miller. I'd love to get Malone into the lineup, but right now is the time to assess Miller's worth to the team. That may come with a risk however, as his continued ineptitude could ultimately damage his trade value (if he has any at this point).

evets1980


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:24 pm EST

RF- The lottery system still has a weighted format. The bottom ten teams make up 91.5% of the possibility of drafting first overall. Any team better than the third-worst overall has less than a 10% chance. Any team better than the ninth-worst overall has less than a 5% chance. ONLY the bottom 14 non-playoff teams are even IN the lottery. So what you're saying is, even a 5% chance of drafting McDavid (assuming the even more improbable odds of missing the playoffs and finishing in the bottom ten) is better off than getting MSL and the Stanley Cup Finals. That sounds delusional to me.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:13 pm EST

Anyhow SJ nearly $5m under now w/JT. They can afford it. But we'd have to move a contract.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:04 pm EST

I'm still trying to get a handle on the video reviews from last night. It's the first time I've heard "was in the act of shooting when the net was dislodged" as a reason to allow a goal. Second one seemed clearly in, under Bernier or Reimer's left pad. Maybe the call was he was pushed in? Despite all that Toronto also played so shoddily that I didn't feel we were truly out of it until about 5 min left.

LeoS


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:04 pm EST

Vic from SJs perspective its also about getting the full deal off their books, $20m worth. depend how a deal Iis structured but if for instance the NYR pay half this year but the full balance its a relief to SJ. Those were very market friendly deals both JT & Marleau signed, I believe with the intention one or both would be moved if the Sharks didnt go deep. So I think its been in the works for some time, and theres a lot of choreography that needs to take place for everyones benefit.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:58 pm EST

Brandon Halverson is no 6 and 0 to start his OHL season, backstopping the undefeated SSM Greyhounds to their 7 and 0 season start. Very impressive. Yeah, it's perhaps a tad premature, but the King's heir apparent?

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:54 pm EST

I will repeat (yet again) - the new draft lottery allows any non-PO a shot at the first pick overall. McDavid is a generational player - not having a first round pick in his draft year is, IMO, poor general managing, unless you're guaranteed to make the POs (meaning you don't trade that pick 16 months prior to the draft - you trade it - if you must - closer to the trading deadline THIS season when it's abundantly clear the POs are a given).

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:51 pm EST

Cause I'm thinking that's about a '1'

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:50 pm EST

On the spectrum where 1 represents Sather trading Gaborik for depth during our last deep run, and 10 represents us tanking to the bottom ten and TB winning the lottery for McDavid, just how delusional is trading Nash?

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:49 pm EST

RR: Ok, that is news to me. I don't know how I missed that. Still, these teams are so far up against the cap it makes the eating of salary a near impossibility unless we are talking about a small market team that operates at the cap floor. SJ isn't like that.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:45 pm EST

BTW, count me as one on here who would not be the least bit surprised if Jumbo Joe becomes a Ranger this season. I have no doubt Sather is interested and has already likely had conversations with Doug Wilson about him. The bigger if (IMO) is what he'll cost. I suspect if it was reasonable, the deal would already have been consummated. Therein lays the key: What is a reasonable return? Sather's camp can argue 2 strong points: Thornton's age and his contract. Both are negative factors that detract from what SJ can ask for. Equally importantly, what is SJ potentially in the market for? Pure musing on my part, but would something like Brassard and Miller do it? Brassard, Miller, Hagelin for Jumbo Joe and a defenseman (not sure who - don't know the Sharks that well)?

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:38 pm EST

Sather isn't trading Nash any time soon (this season at least) because 1) Sather's gunning for the cup, right or wrong and Nash is arguably, the best goal scorer on the team 2) Sather's gunning for the cup and moving your best goal scorer would send a very clear message to the organization (the players specifically) that the cup is not the primary goal - rebuilding/retooling is 3) Sather's biggest move in the past few seasons was getting Nash - trading him so soon would be admitting he made a big mistake. Speculating about Nash being traded is any one's right on here; actually believing he could be traded is delusional.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 2:36 pm EST

Not impressed with Miller or Fast if this continues, they might used as trade bait .Miller can't seem get it together and Fast nothing special !!!!!

ilya


Mon Oct 13 2014 2:05 pm EST

Yeah Vic. Teams can eat up to 50%. Brian Burke pushed for that last CBA and got it.. Its since been done in Versteeg deals & several others

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:59 pm EST

RR: Has something change in the collective bargaining agreement about teams eating salary in deals? If not, then it can't be done. I am not aware of any changes. If things are still the way they were teams cannot eat salary in deals.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:58 pm EST

Exactly. It's not about how much saved off the cap max, it's about getting it all under cap. I doubt SJ willing to retain that much, and suddenly a $5 mill 3C seems unrealistic

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:48 pm EST

Rangers dont have any problem at all spending the last penny to the cap. If the strength of their team with Thornton would be up the middle, Thornton, Stephan, Brass, I don't think they give two shits what they're paying a No. 2 or a No. 3. Not this year especially. They already have one big break in an upper echelon point producer at RW with Zuc making only one mil. Duclair, at 800k (or so, not exactly sure) is another big bargain if he pans out. The rub would be getting the Sharks to eat half JT's salary, in which case the Rangers only need to fit about 3.25. I suspect that's what the waiting is about.Sharks are in Sunday btw, not Saturday.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:18 pm EST

VIC - What do I want? Pretty simple..I want the Rngers to win the CUP THIS YEAR and make any neccessary moves to go for it....I couldn't care less about next year or two years down the line right now...Every year, go for it...That doesn't mean I want to destroy the farm but it does mean I'm willing to move pieces of the future......ANDREI _ If BRAS and STEP played as well as they (along with DOM MOORE). I 'm not sure there is a need for a Big Kahuna #1 Center..but I think there wil be a need for a physically strong top 9 center....I don't see Hayes or MIller doing it..........WILD - I can see that with MILLER as a trade piece..While it wouldn;t biother me, I'd still rather see the Rangers letting him loose on Wing for awhile..JMWO

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:02 pm EST

I agree with Rabid that it probably doesn't take Brass to fetch Thornton, but I agree with Vic that if you have Thornton, Stepan 1,2, you have to move Brass' new contract. Too much for 3C, don't know that he'd be better off on wing.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:54 pm EST

RR: I think you are under appreciating what it will take to get THORNTON and over valuing BRASSARD. BRASSARD is what he is. He is an average 2nd line Center. Not bad but not great. He has upped his play in the playoffs but not to #1 Center levels. If you get THORNTON you don't need BRASSARD because STEPAN becomes the #2. You also need to consider that the Rangers will need to balance out the salaries to even make a deal work. That means someone with a fairly large contract has to go the other way. Long term one of BRASSARD or STEPAN has to go, especially if neither one of them is your #1 Center. You can't pay that much money for a #3 Center.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:41 pm EST

Brassard+ for Thorton? Lol. Never happened. Robbing Peter for one. I wouldn't trade Brass straight up, and I seriously doubt Sather would either. Why do people always assume such trades would require the sun & the moon? Thornton is 35 and SJ is in a real box with him. Big salary, NMC AND bad blood. A player, a prospect and a pick. That's the standard package in these deals. Two decent pieces and a sweetener. If this fall has taught us anything, its that we have some prospects, maybe too many.they may not all become great, in fact non of them may. But most will be NHL players in some form. We can deal for your Thorton lickety split if the front office decides to. Not only is Duclair showing, IMO, that he's for real, or that Haggerty & Lindberg could be helping our NHL club (or another), but you can't forget guys like Skjei and Buchnevich either. I think Sather is waiting for the next flare up in SJ to get serious. It shouldn't be long.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:40 pm EST

Hospo, personally, i think we have bigger issues with the center position. To me, Stepan is not a 1st line center either. He is the carrier bellow 50% on face-offs, which is a huge problem. He is not big, not fast, has a tunnel vision, poor decision making with the puck, afraid to shoot and overpasses most of the time. Everyone here had beat Nash into submission on how poorly he had played. To me, one of the main reasons why Nash has being so average, is because of Stepan. Great example is now where Nash is Stepan free and how Marty Stl had set him up with perfect passes last three games, something that Stepan is not even capable off. Now looks like Nash can score again.. I like Brassard, though. Much better vision and closer to being a number one center. If i was Sather, i would consider trading Stepan with one of the kids for real good center. Too bad Kessler never wanted to come here. He would have being perfect for this team. I remember hearing that Vancouver was asking for Stepan + in return. You get a real number one center and everything else will fall into the right place. Need to get a 3rd line center will diminish and we might be fine with Hayes/Miller at that position.

andrei


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:17 pm EST

Let me ask you guys something. We have gone through over 15 years of total SUCK with this franchise. What is it you guys want? For me it is pretty simple. I want the Rangers to be long term contenders. That means when you think of Cup hopefuls their name pops up close to the top of the list every year. I want what the Kings and Blackhawks have right now. I want what the Sharks had for nearly a decade. There are guarantees. I can honestly tell you that if you could promise me a Cup win this year after bringing THORNTON in but it meant 10 years of SUCK after that because they had to mortgage youth and destroy their Cap and Salary Structure I would tell you NO THANKS. There is no doubt THORNTON could help them this year. But, at what cost? If you are telling me that San Jose would be will to trade THORNTON for something like BRASSARD, KLEIN and FAST I'm interested. Otherwise, I'm not.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:16 pm EST

I don't know that we need it and I don't know if either team would be for it but St. Louis is loading for bear and have players they'd rather not keep. I could still see them going for Nash, moving Berglund and maybe Paajarvi. Wed likely have to take one of their NTC D back in a trade (Jackman, Leopold) but we could probably get them to take Klein to make room. I don't know that we'd win that trade, but Nash contract would be off the books, Berglund is a great big depth center. Jackman is defensive upgrade to Klein, Leopold is better too. Either of their contracts come off the books at season's end.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:10 pm EST

Was just watching that as you said it JFC. Phenomenal on the ref-cam. You're not getting a better look than that.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:06 pm EST

RR -- I'd be in favor of it....he'd be a tremendous upgrade to our C corps., IMO. On anothe note, I LOVE the helmet cam videos that are bring produced by the referees. To me, they are the closest thing to what it looks like when you play hockey. The video of Nash scoring was fantastic. Great stuff....every official should wear them....the views they would produce would be well worth it.

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:03 pm EST

Jumbo will be at the Garden Saturday, I believe. Maybe they'll leave him behind.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:47 am EST

Some Wallsters love him, some hate him but all this talk about lack of center depth and size points to one very big possibility at or before the trade deadline: Joe Thornton. We have the chips to make it work and the guy would easily be a top 3 scorer on this team. SJ seems to want him gone and rumor has it that he'd waive NTC for NY....it seems to be inexorably heading in that direction, whether you like the guy or not.

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:33 am EST

Its one thing to say that we shouldn't give away firsts. (And we haven't. We traded two firsts and a UFA for our first Stanley Cup Finals in 20 years and two seasons of a top-line player and arguably most valuable leader, plus a second.) For the 20th time, its quite another thing to claim we blew it on McDavid. Theres about ten fan boards in this league that can reasonably talk about McDavid. We aren't one of them. We never would be drafting him, and neither will TB. Opinions are one thing. Talking about McDavid is delusional.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:21 am EST

Lindberg had two goals last night, BTW. Seems he's on a line with Haggerty & Bourque (Chris). 2nd line is Mueller, Kristo, Ryan Bourque.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:49 am EST

Hospo: I don't know if you saw my post earlier. But I think Miller MIGHT need to be the wing used to get "that" center. He hasn't shown me much to start the season (yeah I know its only 3 games) to prove that he has turned a corner. I think so far in the first 3 games there has been much more "he should be in the AHL" thoughts in my head than "he has gotten better" thoughts...and I really want him to be good, I want him to grab a 3rd line center spot or wing spot. It just seems like he should be better than a 4th line guy, and better with out the puck by now.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:47 am EST

That's cool Vic. Mine are almost exactly the opposite but I respect a well-formed take. You may be seeing something in Hayes I havent. Looks good but green to me, an unfinished product. But even unfinished can he help? From what I saw & heard last night, he had dome good chances. First NHL game, you cant rush to judgment much quicker lol, so ill hold back for now. JT has a bigger is more complex sampling. Hospo, Step is only supposed to miss 5-6 more games. We should be ablw to survive. And things will look a lot different soon as he's back. I get on him all ghe time, but hes a very easy guy to underappreciate. He was our leading scorer for cryin out loud. How would any team do? And now minus Boyle & Zuc, and teams are gunnin for us; tough start.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:35 am EST

RF4L/Rabid -First things first, MALONE needs to play..AV is a stubborn ass if he doesn't play him given the last two games....We all know the lines are a mess and alot of that stems from the center postiion (and AV and injuries)....All we have is Brassard at #1 (ANd he has had his head up his ass), Dominic Moore (not all that much better) a converted RW and two kids that, to me, just don't seem to be ready to be a consistent Top 9 center this year.......What is the long term answer? Get Stepan back to go with Brass and Moore and TRADE FOR A DECENT , BIGGER third line center..I honestly think we will have to go there....This will allow St. Louis to go back where he belongs, Miller to the 4th line where he belongs for now, and HAYES to put in some valuable schoolwork down in Hartford.....Short-term, The Rangers gotta fight through the Stepan loss some how---Brass and Moore stepping up will help-- and St' Louis will make do temporarily but I guess you just keep trying different things--Mueller, MIller, Hayes, Lindberger, until something clicks both ways.....Once Step, comes back I think you start looking for that deal using some of the winger depth...JMWO.....In the menatime, I think the Rangers have plenty of winger depth (which needs to include MALONE) to stay above water.....Nash,Kid K, MZA,Hags, Duclair, Glass, Malone, Stemp, MIller?

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:25 am EST

RR: I disagree with your assessment of the Centers. Going by just what we saw in preseason (which is all we saw of LINDBERG and MUELLER) I would put them from first to worst: MILLER, MUELLER, HAYES and LINDBERG. Now, MILLER hasn't looked like the same player since the season started and MUELLER isn't here. HAYES has had one game and it was a net positive in my book. As far as not using his size did you see him power through FRANZEN (IIRC) along the boards and retain control of the puck. FRANZEN is a big boy and knocked KREIDER on his ass earlier in the game. I'm all for HAYES getting his shot now and if he can prove himself so be it. If not I'd give MUELLER the next shot. I'd go with MUELLER over LINDBERG because of his PP abilities and the fact that he is a right handed shot.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:18 am EST

RF4L: You need to start using actual facts and reality. You want to pretend that the Hawks and Kings first round picks are why they have won the cup. And yes, that is true, but the Rangers had first rounders those years that the "big" players those teams rely on were drafted. The last couple drafts the Rangers have been with out picks, the Kings and Hawks did have them...but those players have done nothing for them...so its basically as if they didn't have the picks when it comes the the NHL impact of them. But I know those facts will just get in the way of your nice little story, but they are the facts. The Rangers had picks in the same early rounds when those teams YOU used as an example of how to draft picked their top guys. I have shown that the last 2 drafts have not produced a single late 1st rounder to make any impact as of yet, at least not any more than Duclair. But that all seems to be opinion to you. But reality isn't opinion, facts are facts. We can agree that Sather drafted poorly during those drafts early on, but thats not all Sather, its the people around him as well. He has fixed that it seems, look at the 3 3rd rounders in '13, one is in the line up right now, with 2 points in 3 games. So yes Sather had a terrible draft record for some time. DOnt mistake me saying it hasn't mattered (at least not yet) when it comes to the traded picks, or by saying Sather has done well the last few drafts and young UFAs that I feel he is somehow great in any way.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:09 am EST

since 2000 (30 picks when you take 1st and 2nd rounders) the Rangers have made 29 first and 2nd round picks. The last 2 drafts the Ragers have not had a 1st rounder, and now year no 2nd rounder. HOWEVER that year they drafted Duclair, and even though RF4L seems to think it doesn't matter, Duclair is playing like 1st rounder so that makes up for not having one, and that docent take into account the kid over in Russia who looks early on to be 1st round material. So tell me again, after years and years of at least 2 picks in the first 2 rounds (on average at least) has not had any positive impact, yet having two drafts with out a first has somehow put the Rangers into a position that that they are struggling early this season. Please oh please show me all this evidence that a player drafted 29th last year would be able to step in now...or any player drafted last draft...only 3 have played a game this season...and they are number 1,2,3 of the draft...only 6 players outside the top 10 of the draft in 2013 have played games in the NHL (non more than 7, one player, and the rest 2) so again...how would keeping those picks have helped the Rangers NOW? There is NO WAY those picks help the Rangers now, and for years and years before that they had their 1st and 2nd rounders in all years accept for 2 and even had multiple picks in the first 2 rounds a few times. Basically, the last 2 picks being gone (its just 2, you all love saying 3 but that 3rd draft hasn't happened yet) have ZERO impact on this season.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:08 am EST

And whoever said it, Lindberg didnt shit the bed in camp, though certainly its a beautifully turned phrase. He had two good games, one bad one by his own admission. He's a bit of a streaky scorer, and I was afraid he might not be in hot mode for those few ps games. Kid is miles better than Hayes, Miller and Mueller. But JT had to get his shot first, and Hayes size is attractive to them. Not to me cause he hasnt used it, but to them.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:06 am EST

So Lombardi officially returned to his former team in Sweden and it also officially off our books ....RF4L.... Brooks is literally 'the boy who cried wolf' when it comes to Marc Staal's contract. So much so, you would think the man was being paid by Staal's agent.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:01 am EST

RF4L: I totally agree on the issue of depth at Center. I never thought the Rangers could go deep in the playoffs with STEPAN and BRASSARD as #1 and #2 down the middle. They did it last year so clearly it was possible but certainly not ideal. RICHARDS was not the player he used to be but he was still a solid NHL Center. The depth issue has been magnified by STEPAN's injury but even when he comes back there is still an issue that this team will need to address this year either through trade or through someone stepping up and seizing a job. MILLER was given the first crack at it but it appears to be HAYES turn now. If HAYES fails to impress LINDBERG or MUELLER may get another shot. My guess is that HAYES ends up being the 3rd line Center this year but he is going to need to grab that spot over the next few games. I'm hoping they put him with DUCLAIR to see if those two can develop some chemistry. When STEPAN comes back MSL could join that line.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:54 am EST

The one thought I had with how certain prospects are seemingly getting rammed down our throats is they're trying to sell somebody on one or two of them to make a deal. Thatd make a helluva lot more sense than what we've seen; Malone cant get in, Jesper the friendly ghost not missing a shift, etc. Other thing is, its the D more than the offense right now. As much as the lines induce headaches.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:53 am EST

Wild: Whatever dude. You can worship Sather's ways all you want - that's cool and your divine right to do so. You won't convince me, no way, no how. The only team that's had success trading away first rounders is the Wings, but they've done nothing in the POs for years. That isn't to say making the POs for 20 something consecutive years isn't commendable (especially when you compare that to a team like the Leafs who've made it once in the past 14) but I want the cup.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:50 am EST

Another thought on Malone....so he doesn't skate very fast. So what? Doesn't mean he can't play "uptempo" style if his line mates are matched properly. for instance, if you put together a line of Hayes-Miller-Malone....none of those guys are speedsters, they'd be able to head up the ice "uptempo" together....it's just that their uptempo would be at a different rate of speed. The concept would still be the same in terms of breaking out, moving through the neutral zone, etc. but, once they established the O zone, they could really do some damage with a forecheck, controlling the puck along the boards and going hard to,the net. Hayes protects the puck very well, Malone hits like a Mack truck and Miller can distribute the puck well.

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:50 am EST

JFC: AV's apparent stubbornness about certain players isn't unique. Seems to me almost every coach does the same thing, independent of the sport. I think it's due, as you imply, to stuff that goes on behind the prying eyes of the media and fans. For sure, emotions come into play, character issues/conflicts/etc. After 2 terrible games where the 2nd and 3rd lines are a mess, if Malone isn't dressed for Tuesday's game, where the Islanders are sure as hell to be primed to run the Rangers thru the boards, then something is indeed amiss. Yeah, he doesn't skate like the wind, but given what's played out to date, it makes zero sense not to have him in the lineup based on what his game offers.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:49 am EST

So RF4L: That would imply that first rounders, and they have to be recent ones since those are the ones the Rangers have traded, helped the Kings and Hawks win their cups. Forbort, Gibson, Pearson, Zykov and Kempe are the Kings 1st rounders since 2010 have totaled 28 games, 5g and 5a for 10 points and 10 pims. (all Pearson) The Hawks going all the way back to 2008 have picked in the first round Beach, Olsen, Hayes, McNeill, Teravainen, Hartman and Schmaltz (77 games, 3g 11a, 14 points) I can see by those lists that if the Hawks and Kings hadn't kept their last 5-7 first rounders that they would have missed those cup wins. Your own argument goes against you. YES they had 1st rounders, but did they do ANYTHING for those teams?

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:43 am EST

Allow me to jump to a quick conclusion: We suck at center. Hayes was not the worst center on the club last night. They have nobody else to put there. Maybe we can send Brassard to Hartford. Youngsters and retreads are forced into action due to the salary cap. Too bad Lombardi did not work out. In a perfect world, everyone plays in Hartford until they are 24 or so and are then "ready." Expecting excellence when the GM pisses away high picks resulting in the club fishing for leftovers from college who were not drafted is a foolish game, but it is where we are. 3 games in, there is need for reinforcements that the organization cannot afford to bring in. I expect that Tuesday night will also be ugly.

Bob


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:42 am EST

Good morning, everyone! Nice to have off for Columbus Day today....Happy Thanksgiving to RF4L and all our other Canadian Wall Brothers out there! We, myself included, tend to be very over reactionary here on The Wall....we're getting aggravated after 3 games and we talk like we're staring at the gates of hell. Let's face it, there ARE extenuating circumstances (excuses) that are legitimately screwing this team up so far....Stepan, Boyle, Zucc, a group,of new players in the mix, etc....and these are legitimate reasons why it's really unrealistic to damn the team so far.....we aren't even close to being the team that we have on paper. We lost a center and we lost the guy who was supposed to fix our PP. Just those 2 alone are enough to really have a domino effect. Now Zucc has added more woes to the lines. I do blame AV for going into yet another season with line chaos....thought he could,have done a better job of SETTING the lines in preseason. Instead, we get a mishmash of lines that have never even played one game together. Zucc-Hags-Brass doesn't work. AV needs to try and recreate the line from last season by finding a Poo fill-in....and Hags ain't that! Why is that so hard for,him to,understand? TRY Malone there....why wouldn't you? You can THEORIZE that it won't work, but they only way to tell is by TRYING IT! Miller also seemed to,have some chemistry with Malone. So why not get those 2 on a line and then fill in the other spot and let's see what happens? Something is going on with AV that worries me....a stubborn streak or,something....can't put my finger on it. Maybe he just makes up his mind on certain players and then won't deviate from that thought until he's forced to through injuries, etc. he. At have this kind, tolerant, press-friendly demeanor in public, but methinks there's a different AV away from the cameras. He needs to move quicker now to get us on track ASAP and he needs to puts achieved his preconceived notions and use Malone, Miller and others in a way that helps them succeed. He's doing it with Duclair....he needs to have the same attitude with others as well

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:42 am EST

Oh...one other thing from last night. The "ref-cam" is pretty awesome when the ref is in the right position and moving along well, that POV shot of the Nash goal was really cool. I only hope they can use it even more for replays.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:35 am EST

And to those who don't believe 1st rounders are worth keeping, we can agree to disagree. Until Sather's way proves worthy (and this is a man who's not won a cup in 25 consecutive years) we will continue to disagree.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:32 am EST

Nothing wrong with drafting Duclair in the 3rd. Not sure what your point is wild, other than to disagree that you don't need first round picks. To that I say, please tell me what cup winning team lately trades away 3 consecutive 1st rounders (plus 2 2nd rounders). Is it LA? Ahh, no. Chicago? Ahh, no. Boston? Ahh, no. Pittsburgh? Ahh, no.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:22 am EST

RF4L: Tell me again why drafting Duclair in the 3rd round was so terrible...and how they could have done SOOO much better with a late first rounder that year...Also, there are times when a team has a break in its flow of young players in a certain position. The Rangers DID use 1st round picks on Dmen, a couple didn't make it, (still haven't with their new teams) they have used 2nd rounders as well. There are young Dmen who will be able to make the step, maybe this year, maybe next, but even if Sather hadn't traded the first rounders and second rounders there is no way to know if the D depth would look any better. Add to that, name me 1 single team that has the ability to just plug and play for a 2nd pair Dman...and to have NO drop off in the overall D group.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:17 am EST

York: That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Doesn't make mine 'total nonsense'.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:15 am EST

kitchen: Read the post fully - if the mess isn't rectified, the Rangers will not make the POs and therefore, the Bolts will be in the lottery for the 1st pick. And it's a mess. Similar to last year, except last year 1) new coach and 2) stupid extended road trip that started early into the pre-season. I guess the excuse this year is all the new players, plus the injury to Stepan.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:14 am EST

RF total shite having a first rounder means nothing you're talking pure nonsense

York18


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:11 am EST

And look at all the consternation being expressed over Staal's contract status. I get why - the Rangers suddenly lack depth on the backend, too. This is what you get when the GM gives away high end draft picks like Halloween candy. Yeah, it's exciting when the team signs a bevy of UFA college kids, but except in exceptional cases, they went undrafted for a reason. And no first rounder next year, too. Dumb.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:09 am EST

We'll be last overall? Take a step back from the cliff.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:08 am EST

Hospo: You argue a strong case (it's so logical!), but who do the Rangers use instead? IMO, the run to the final last year has masked the lack of depth upfront in this organization, especially at center. Stepan's injury is probably the 2nd worse that could happen (the King, of course, being number 1). IMO, the center position is the team's weakest and with Stepan out and BR's buyout, the Rangers are icing down the middle, one of the worse in the entire league. SOme on here argue that the Rangers have enough wingers with offensive skills to compensate - I don't agree. The center-man is, far more often than not, the go-to player for whatever 5-some is out there. Easily the best for the Rangers now is the winger-converted MSL. Brassard should be ashamed of his play - other than a really nice shot, in the 2 games I've watched he's been embarrassingly invisible. Not sure who else is available. Lack of depth for sure.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:00 am EST

Whew, recovered from last night's mess. And what a mess. This, right now, is a one line team and if that's not rectified, we'll be watching the Bolts draft Connor McDavid next June. But, first things first: The Islanders in tomorrow and they will push the Rangers to 1 and 3 if things don't change. And they are gonna run the Rangers all over the ice. MZA is out with a shoulder injury and I'm guessing it's due to that hit he took against the BJs. More such injuries will mount if the Rangers continue their meek ways. So frustrating. Can I revoke my NHL center ice?

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:48 am EST

VIC - I picked HAYES out because the Rangers are looking at him as an answer for C with STEPAN OUT and THIUS YEAR...I don't see it..Sorry...Not Doubt the kid is tall and he has some offensive talent..and one day will be a very good rRangers but the 3 or 4 games I've watched have indicated to me that he makes some bad decions, stands around defensively, not very good at FOs and just not yet ready to take advantage of his size and needs to get stronger...He is a perfect player that needs to be sent to HARTFORD for three or four months...He doesn't suck..He is not the reason the Rangers looked bad..But the AHL is the best place for him and I don't think he will help the Rangers all that much at C....But, I would love to be proven wrong!

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:39 am EST

OLA: Sorry, but to blame what we have seen so far on STRALMAN not being here and HUNWICK in at the moment in his place is way off base IMHO. GIRARDI, McDONAGH, STALL, KLEIN and MOORE have been collectively awful so far through 3 games. It has nothing to do with STRALMAN not being here and HUNWICK playing. The mental and physical errors those 5 are making are killing them right now. The lack of support from the forwards and the weak D zone positional coverage by the team collectively haven't helped either. This team simply isn't getting it done in any of the three zones right now. That has to change quickly.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:22 am EST

My take on last night (and some on the first 3 games) Last night you could argue that it may have been Lundqvists and McD's worst career nights. As someone pointed out, the Rangers (and most teams) play team D, its hard for the Dmen and the goalie to do it alone...but there were mistakes made that were not normal for this team or the players making them. also last night they seemed off for the second game in a row. perhaps its because there hasn't been a stable lineup yet. As for the season and the 3 games so far. I didn't get to see the first two period of game 1 due to driving, so for 2 games and 1 period of watching I see some things. First, Duclair is a keeper...cant bee live they got him in the 3rd round. He has gotten better every period over the last 2 games it seems, and even though I KNOW he isn't very big, he does really well against much bigger Dmen. Stepniak I was hopeful about, but he has at least early on surpassed what I was hoping for. If he can keep it up what a great signing. Its only 3 games of course so it could be a flash in the pan type thing. Nash, different player, looks faster, and more confident than anytime I can remember. On a more negative note. Both keepers started out this season unsteady. Talbot looked good last night after he got put in, seemed to get stronger as the game went on, made some big saves late in garbage time. Also, Miller, its time he steps up, he has left me wondering why he is playing more than he has me liking what I see. I almost feel like they should shop him around, with some other younger player(s) who may be redundant and see if they can land a bigger center who is further along, or even another Dman...not sure, but I am getting worried that Miller has reached his peak, and if this is all he has got, they need to get him moved on. He will be passed on the depth chart by other young players soon, Hayes will pass him it seems like, if he hasn't already in some peoples minds.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:21 am EST

Stevie- A lot of talk about the lines. I think the biggest problem is that we aren't movnig the puck well enough -- even remotely -- out from our own end. I mean, especially against CBJ that was the problem but it cost us a ton of goals last night too. This was our biggest weakness by far last season. This year: Stralman out, Hunwick in. Its showing!

Ola


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:37 am EST

And to comment on lines. Here is what I would like to see on Tuesday. KREIDER-MSL-NASH, MALONE-BRASSARD-MZA, DUCLAIR-HAYES-STEMPNIAK, MILLER-MOORE-GLASS. If MZA can't go then I would like to see HAGGERTY brought up to play either on the 2nd line in MZA's spot, or on the 3rd line in STEMPNIAK's spot while moving STEMPNIAK up to play in MZA's place. I actually think a kid line of DUCLAIR-HAYES-HAGGERY might be very effective. DUCLAIR and HAGGERY can fly and HAYES is a really nice playmaker.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:27 am EST

I also wanted to comment on the some general things about the team. Not much is working well right now. I'm confident that will change over time but I just don't think the Rangers can afford to waste too much of the early part of this season. The East has gotten better. Some good teams are going to miss the playoffs in the East. The Rangers had a good deal of turnover this offseason so it is normal to expect an adjustment period. However, of all of the things not working right now the one that concerns me most is the play of the D. That unit has 5 of the 6 back from last year and it has looked awful so far through 3 games. Last night's effort was the worst yet. GIRARDI and McDONAGH were terrible. No other way to describe it. If I had to pick a "best defender" from last night's game it would be HUNWICK. What does that say? Much of the problem on the back line is related to what is happening with the forward lines. The Rangers, when playing their A game, are a swarming puck control team. They may not have size (and didn't last year either) but they made up for it by being so quick to the puck that the other team was constantly off balance and forced to chase them around. Right now the Rangers look small because they are being beaten to the puck in all three zones. When they do get the puck they are not supporting each other well. This comes from running around chasing the puck in the first place. There is too much thinking and not enough instinctive, high tempo play. You would think that this would be coming from the Rookies but it isn't. It is coming from the Vets in most cases. Right now the Rangers have one effective line. After 3 games the line of KREIDER-MSL-NASH has played well and has looked in sync, although MSL is lacking as a Center and the Rangers are paying for it in the defensive end. Other then that the three remaining lines look disjointed at best. BRASSARD, MZA, HAGS and MOORE have not played well. I see people killing a rookie 4th line winger in FAST but there have been few comments about the veterans who are supposed to be the core of the team. STEMPNIAK has been the Rangers best player outside of the first line. GLASS has done nothing except throw some checks. If the team is struggling (and it is) the players that need to answer the bell are BRASSARD, MZA and HAGS. Those 3 were expected to outplay any of the kids and so far they haven't. DUCLAIR has been better then those 3. I would argue that HAYES did more offensively as a Center in his first NHL game last night then BRASSARD has done in the 3 games he has played total. MZA is trying to play like LUCIC instead of playing like the skilled player he is supposed to be. HAGS looks lost and out of place. He doesn't even look fast right now because he is late in reacting to everything. And worst of all, the coach does not see that his team needs more balance and needs to initiate physical play instead of trying to avoid it.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:03 am EST

Not to jump on you HOSPO but I find it curious that you singled out HAYES after last night's game. It was his first NHL game, and I saw a lot of things I really like about it. He had several good shifts. I saw him fall awkwardly once when he lost an edge. I saw him watching the play on the KADRI goal when he should have collapsed down to support GIRARDI and McDONAGH when both of them stupidly decided to go behind the net and leave KADRI open. Other then that I didn't see anything negative to comment on. I loved the way he powered through a check on the boards in one shift. I loved the way he made some slick passes and controlled the puck when he had it. He went to the net and had a great scoring chance but couldn't elevate the puck. He was far from invisible. Would he benefit from playing some in the AHL? I'm sure he would. Does he look out of place at the NHL level? Not to me. I don't care what he looks like when he skates. The key for me is can he keep up with the play and is he strong enough on his skates. I haven't seen any evidence that he can't keep up with the play or that he is knocked off the puck easily. What did you see that caused you to come to the conclusion you did?

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:15 am EST

kid k st Louis nash...zucc brass duke.....hag miller stempi....glass moore Malone.....try that coach .....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:42 am EST

“If there’s a team loss, this is one of them. From head on down, we didn’t perform or execute well with or without the puck. “I don’t have a reason or any explanation right now,” Vigneault added. “We obviously believe and know we can perform a lot better than we did tonight.” - See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/sports/leafs-chase-henrik-lundqvist-rip-rangers-6-3-1.1107878#sthash.tDi5Ga4L.dpuf....do you know who the head is?....mirror mirror.....that's not Spanish or French.....and no practice today, and the fishstink tomorrow.....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:18 am EST

“We didn’t perform well with or without the puck,” Vigneault said, “and that’s why we got the result we did.”..bs....your lines are a mess, that's why......you might need until December to figure it out?....more bs......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:04 am EST

I'd say glass is doing his job, as was Boyle prior to injury.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:50 am EST

I thought Hayes showed some poise considering the entire team was imploding around him. Rough first game in the NHL for anyone, I don't care who you are. He deserves at least as many games as Miller and Fast have had before he gets sent down. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:21 am EST

Hopefully the anointment of Ryan McDonagh doesn't throw his game off too much now that he has the big spot light on him and the added pressures of being the Captain. Last year, after Cally was traded, BR took over the reigns and the Dmen didn't need to worry about anything but playing as a solid 3 pair unit. Now McDonagh has to be involved in all facets of the franchise.

TradeStar28


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:16 am EST

Rangers lost some of the Rangers culture from 2013-14. Brad Richards - Pouilot - Brian Boyle - Anton Stralman. All 4 guys played from 80-82 regular season games and had a defined roll. The new NY Rangers are here to fill the gaps and the only two who are competing are Duclair and Stemp (as mentioned by numerous posters here). I am sure the Rangers will right the ship.....but these last two games shows that this team has a jigsaw puzzle and need to assemble it a lot better......and quickly.

TradeStar28


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:49 pm EST

BOB - SO, Is that what I said or are we playing "Bob jumps to conclusions" again??...To summarize again, everything I've seen from pre-season and Tonight tells me HAYES aiin't ready for steady NHL work...and he could benefit greatly from AHL experience..As for MILLLER and FAST. no argument there. AllI think they are ready for is 4th line WIng and in Fast case, I'd rather not have him at all..But hey, they're young, play them!

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:17 pm EST

Stempniak is seeming like a pleasant surprise

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:06 pm EST

Hayes isn't ready for the NHL? Based on tonight? Really? Heck, he is playing out of place as a center. If that is the case, John Moore has never been ready for the NHL. Jesper Fast and JT Miller are not ready for the NHL. Hell, Girardi and McDonagh were brutal tonight, much worse than any of these 3. I would rather see Hrivik or Haggerty up than Fast, and if Lindberg would have done anything but shat the bed at training camp, he might have been here instead of Hayes. Lombardi and Malone have failed to impress the coach, so they are scratched or gone. Who else is there? I also think that the Rangers will pay Staal $6MM for 6, but he is not worth that. They have nobody to replace him with.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:50 pm EST

Hospo, the answer scored the OT winner tonight in Hartford. And Jesus Christ cant tell me we wouldnt be getting more from Haggerty, a kid who plays the game with some MFing FIRE, than this piece of white bread Fast. But just like I wouldnt scapegoat JT Miller (and even Stemkowski on radio noted his invisibility) nor can I with the other kids. I gavent cared for Hayes game from the first time I saw him, but anytime you give up 5 unanswered goals in your home opener, youve got some other issues. The kids are just that; struggling with the game. Not the first, not the last. But these also arent 48-yr old Valeri Kamenskys. These kids - of some kids - can surprise the hell out of you. Beat the Isles Tuesday. Theyll be 2-2 with 78 to play.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:24 pm EST

And even in a skating game like tonight, and building on observations from the pre-season, it's obvious to me HAYES isn't ready for the NHL (unless it's a team willing to lose) and can stand some learning in the AHL........But, the Rangers are gonna have to find some way to fight thru the Stepan injury..I don't know the answer..but I also don't think Hayes and Miller are part of the answer

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:09 pm EST

Nothing changed from last night...Team and lines are a mess...Little chemistry..Little plan...Lays at the feet of AV, nobody else...Will this team turn it around? Yes..How soon? Not sure...Same guys impressed as last night..STEMP and DUCLAIR..hardly anybody else....MILLER is lost.....Same refrain from last night....Play MALONE, Move MIller to 4th Line WING..Sit Fast..

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:40 pm EST

A wake up call for sure.....Nothing good to say about it....Rangers just weren't into this game....McD was as bad as I have seen him....Free Ryan Malone...

PJ


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:36 pm EST

Cant be happy but cant freak.....yet. 3 special teams goals beat you most any night. You add Zuccarello, Stepan, Boyle and HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY Malone, still think we are a pretty good team. D zone coverage blows, bad bounces and one of Hank's worst. Wont all happen too often. Here come the Isles, who now have a goalie & some D. Great.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:09 pm EST

He needs to keep making babies to score more

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:08 pm EST

Oopps...4 goals, 3 games. Too bad 3/4's of the rest of the forwards can't generate shit offensively.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:06 pm EST

ooh...I know - left to be with his extremely pregnant wife. Understandable...and 3 goals, 4 games. Nice!

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:03 pm EST

So what happened to Nash????

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:03 pm EST

Agreed Duclair looked good - maybe the best Ranger on the ice. That isn't saying much because most sucked.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:59 pm EST

At least we're consistent, we suck at home openers.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:56 pm EST

Rhet his family is here... Missing 3-4 starters not good... Prince gets the shutout ....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:53 pm EST

Duclair looked like the one guy tonight that had no quit in him.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:52 pm EST

And of course, right after I type that, Kreider gets a good wrist shot on goal!!

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:51 pm EST

JFC..... on a night like tonight, I can say that about almost the whole team :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:50 pm EST

He hasn't been a factor....not really noticeable.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:47 pm EST

I wouldn't exactly say invisible. He has 6 shots on goal and an assist. Though not his best game.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:46 pm EST

Stempniak has been a tremendous signing so far.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:44 pm EST

Kreider has been invisible this game

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:42 pm EST

My lines for Tuesday night (if Zuc is still out)..... Kreider-MSL-Nash..... Duclair-Brassard-Malone.... Hags-Hayes-Stemp.... Glass-Moore-Miller

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:39 pm EST

Duclair has stood out consistently in all 3 games so far....he manages to make moves, carry the puck, hold onto the puck, make good passes, he shot a laser off the crossbar, he stripped a puck and had a breakaway.....this is more than other young players (particularly JT) have been able to do so early in their NHL,careers.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:39 pm EST

BRASSARD IS PLAYING!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:37 pm EST

I'm ALWAYS embarrassed when the Rangers get "owned" especially in their own home. That said, this team has a LOT of new players, new lines, and basically a new coach and assistant coach. I'm leaning more towards the theory that it's too early to get this crazy. Patience is a virtue most Ranger Fans (including me) don't have, but I think we're going to have to find some. I'm still remembering that we sucked coming out of the gate last year too.

WIOSA


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:34 pm EST

On the Bright side Klein and Staal finally seem to be clicking and Talbot looks much better tonight :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:25 pm EST

At least they are skating hard this period. It's always the same criteria with me....I don't overreact to losing as long as the effort is there. But tonight, they weren't skating hard, weren't moving their feet....they had no legs. Last night, they just weren't sharp and the chemistry with the lines needs work. But tonight, only a few guys (the young ones) looked like they had any intensity.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:22 pm EST

RF, couldnt agree with you more. this team is way to soft. I FUCKIN HATE IT. AV get your head out of your ass. Speed isn't everything. the team is lazy too. all they do is stick work against the opposition take a couple more stride and get the body on the other player. how is team that is supposed to be fast get beat to every puck.

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:19 pm EST

I don't get what AV sees in Fast.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:15 pm EST

Hayes centering St. Louis and Duke to start the third,

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:14 pm EST

This is very ugly.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:13 pm EST

No Nash, we're sunk.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:08 pm EST

Forgot to mention today that the Lightning are rumored to be shopping Eric Brewer. Not that we're interested.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:07 pm EST

Watched this leaf team play their last 2 games . Last night especially they were embarrassing to watch (if you are a Leaf fan) which many of my family and friends are. Guess it's a combination of the Rangers not playing well for 6 or 7 shifts , also a few bad penalties and some shitty luck on Hanks end and the Leafs realizing that if they don' t get their butts in gear they will be lynched here in Canada !

caperanger


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:59 pm EST

We're on pace for 355 GA's.... (4.333 per game) and theres another period to play... woohoo

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:56 pm EST

Jim.Its time to put Malone in and they need to make a room for undertaker too !!!!

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:54 pm EST

I hate the softness of this team. HATE it.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:54 pm EST

JFC31.This group will get it together at some point hopefully sooner rather than later !!!

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:52 pm EST

Again. There are a lot of new players on this team and chemistry will take time. It's no wonder that the first line is doing well, they all know each other. Still, we need to win some games by smoke and mirrors despite that. Too many guys had a no show tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:52 pm EST

They were undisciplined yesterday and they are undisciplined tonight.....the penalties they are getting are keeping them from developing any flow and the penalties are undisciplined penalties.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:46 pm EST

Embarrassing! No one with chemistry except Marty & Nash.

rngrsans


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:45 pm EST

Put tom hanks in

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:45 pm EST

Hank basically gave up on this game after the 5'th goal pretty much !!!

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:45 pm EST

Sh!t hockey from the goal out! They are not moving their legs, they are getting beat to pucks, they look SLOW! No excuse for this crap.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:44 pm EST

Its Jim time :)

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:43 pm EST

Rangers SUCK!!!

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:42 pm EST

Pull hank

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:42 pm EST

Hank must be having flashbacks of last years contract negotiations.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:41 pm EST

Yank Hank!!!!

Shaggy


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:41 pm EST

Come on Hank.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:41 pm EST

Put the lines back from last year with replacement parts stop the reinventing of the wheel

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:40 pm EST

That ref conversation went like this.... "if we overturn it, we won't be getting out of here alive"

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:39 pm EST

Stempi wack

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:37 pm EST

The net was intentionally pushed off it's moorings.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:36 pm EST

stevie: For sure - can't float 'on the road due to MSG renos' this year. They look terrible. All across the board.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:35 pm EST

Rhet: Don't disagree, but this team is soft when it comes to hitting. The Leafs, who are no longer a physical presence, are out-hitting them.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:33 pm EST

This is a diaster disgrace tonight.... Back to 2013 start with more excuses...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:31 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh's game has imploded tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:31 pm EST

McD is not having a good night.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:30 pm EST

Hank, I know you haven't gotten a lot of help, but you haven't been very good tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:29 pm EST

They really need to get Duclair some talented wings to play with.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:28 pm EST

King is queen for a day ... Call marteeeeeeeee

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:28 pm EST

So far this season, Brassard looks like he's retired after getting the big contract.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:27 pm EST

First 20 are gonna be rough

barto


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:27 pm EST

RF4L.... Sorry to disagree with you, but those last 2 goals had nothing to do with being soft. IMO, they were the result of boneheaded plays on defense.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:26 pm EST

Rhet: Miller looks horrible. And he looks like an AV protégé - he doesn't like to hit, even when presented with glorious opportunities.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:25 pm EST

Is Brassard playing?

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:24 pm EST

What's going on with McDonagh and Girardi on D? Geesh. JT Miller still looks lost at times on defense.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:24 pm EST

I'm getting abused here by a myriad of Leafs fans...deservedly so. Outhit, out-goaltended, out-played and out-scored. Horrible. So soft. Embarassing.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:23 pm EST

Rangers SUCK!

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:20 pm EST

Dickaletti is a dick

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:20 pm EST

What was McDonagh thinking there?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:15 pm EST

Moof looking for my multiplication and division tables ... After game will be official number... After baby hat trick ...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:12 pm EST

The top line has 5 goals on the young season, the rest of the team has scored just one.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:09 pm EST

I dont like the balance. does anybody hit other than glass? Defenders look out of position and slow. chasing the puck often

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:09 pm EST

MSL is 4 of 5 on faceoffs tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:06 pm EST

Legs: Phoning a friend? :-)

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:55 pm EST

Nash & MSL have some good chemistry... That's 4 for Nash.. Hey Math-Legs, what's he on pace for? Warm up your abacus. :->

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:51 pm EST

RICK NASH

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:51 pm EST

Nasheroo

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:48 pm EST

Clarkson broken face needs more broken pos that he is

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:46 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏..... GOAL!!!!!!! Lindberg wins it for the Wolf Pack in OT!!!! 4-3 WOLF PACK!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:40 pm EST

Just got back from the Jets game....good thing my son and I root for the Broncos!....and I see that Zucc is out but STILL they don't put Malone in.....against a so-so skating team like Toronto, this would have been a good chance to get him in there. Hmmmm.....

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:28 pm EST

Duclair needs to play with more talented line mates.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:12 pm EST

I normally love this HNIC type stuff with the small town hockey, but why does the Rangers game ceremonies have to be blacked out for something like this? I just don't get this blackout stuff!

ColoradoMark


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:47 pm EST

If fast is out because of his forearm he should not have played last night ....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:47 pm EST

Nash and Hayes in warmups

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:46 pm EST

Zipay: Malone scratched, Fast out (forearm)

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:44 pm EST

Looks like VEENYO ipened one eye every line changed

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:36 pm EST

Rhet only 2 teams reach the finals it's an accomplishment to be proud of and to motivate more

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:30 pm EST

Rhet; you should see a doctor

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:30 pm EST

Stevie....JMO, but I am of the opinion that you only raise banners when you win a championship. Nothing else matters.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:29 pm EST

Malone's playing tonight and you heard it here first!!! #pulling opinions out of my a$$ for over 20 years

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:29 pm EST

Is the banner already raised instead of being raised tonight? Why?

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:26 pm EST

AV says maybe Malone.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:06 pm EST

Have we discussed pairing the LHS Hunwick with Staal on the 2nd pair and dropping Klein back to 3rd pair with JMoore? (I think not) .... And a JT Miller recap: 1) leave him at 3rd line center 2) drop him to 4th line center & promote DMoore to 3rd line center 3) move him to wing with Brassard & Zucc or 4th line with Glass / Moore 4) send him back to the AHL with a vial of zoloft to work out the jitters 5) package him in a trade ........... Did someone say trade ? :-) .... TD: Buff's CODY HODGSON looks good, signed for four more after this season at $4.25 mill, RHS, seams like he's similar to our Derek Stepan... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6585

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:59 pm EST

Glass had another five hits last night. At this pace, he'd finish with 410 on the year

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:59 pm EST

Glass had another five hits last night. At this pace, he'd finish with 410 on the year

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:42 pm EST

I don't kiow, maybe JFC had a point about Sather-AV-Malone....Tonight agasint the skating Leafs is as good as a time as any to play Hayes...He'll get eaten up against solid checking teams (JMWO)

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:25 pm EST

Veenyo will put fast back in before Malone

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:20 pm EST

Zuc game time decision. Half the guys suck. Other half banged up or expecting. If Malone cant get in tonight idk...

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:20 pm EST

Zuc game time decision. Half the guys suck. Other half banged up or expecting. If Malone cant get in tonight idk...

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:15 pm EST

If no nash Malone should be put in . Or sit glass ...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:11 pm EST

Hayes debut tonight. Other changes pending pervAV. Nash's wife giving birth could be another.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 3:27 pm EST

Gross speculating that Hayes in for Fast tonight and other than the King in for Talbot (which was announced earlier this week) that's it for lineup changes, meaning Malone will sit again.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 3:15 pm EST

RR: Yeah, and in those 58 games, he's put up a rather pedestrian total f 5 goals and 10 points (which pro-rated over a full season is 8 goals and 15 points). I've probably seen about 1/4 of those games and from what I've observed of his play so far (including against the Blues on Thursday), those numbers seem appropriate. That said, I get the notion that he needs to be given a role and left there for several games, not yanked all over the place, which kind of describes his career since turning pro. Some consistency is desperately needed and it should start with the coaches and management.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:29 pm EST

No, wait. I knew it. Miller's got 58 NHL regular season games and 4 PO games. I was adding up his goals. Well, then, I'm as impatient as ever LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:26 pm EST

I'm actually amazed looking up JT'S career numbers; He's only credited with 5 regular season games, 4 PO contests. So tonight will be only his 10th NHL game. Wow. He's been up with the team for longer stretches but man, coulda sworn he was around 30 games or so already. Yeah, guess some patience is in order LOL. I'm more impatient with our coach right now anyway. I concentrate my fire there.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:22 pm EST

Kitchen: If we all relaxed there would be no wall.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:10 pm EST

It's 2 games people. RELAX. My goodness!!

kitchen1


Sun Oct 12 2014 1:42 pm EST

Controlling your emotions and bringing your best is part of being a pro. I can give JT a few games to shake the nervousness, but then he's gotta man up. Inhibitions and excuses and all that, the AHL is full of guys like that.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 1:10 pm EST

If McIlrath is more reliable defensively than Klein, we have a problem.

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 12:57 pm EST

I have the simple answer regarding MILLER... the kid is trying too damn hard. Period. End of Story. He's gonna' be a solid Ranger for along time, watch.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 12:54 pm EST

I like J.MOORE, but let's be real', he has been pretty poor so far. I think he would definitely come out of his shell & play more aggressive if paired with MCILLRATH.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:47 am EST

Jeff Gorton said they told JT directly and forcefully this is his chance. Reasonable to assume if he flunks out he won't be used. Whether that means a trip to Hartford or an mother team doesn't interest me much, unless we're getting a healthy return. Its also logical AV is using this time as a weeding out process. Bad news is when guys aren't cutting it it hurts us, and we suck lol. The whole Fast fascination is wearing on me too.kid looked stronger in.camp but back to a timid Bambi once the games count? Can't say. 2 games, and he nearly lost an arm in one of them. Its always easy to critique from behind a keyboard.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:21 am EST

Could AV be using the beginning games to check out players yet? they have a lot of good players and same type of players. Maybe he is still trying out players. Like if Miller doesn't fit his ideas he will be traded?

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:20 am EST

Couple things to address. 1st no way do I want fatso in a Ranger sweater. He may help but I still don't want that fuck on this team. 2nd, Miller has done nothing , NOTHING to warrant being on the first or second line, 3rd Fast is invisible. He doesn't hurt but he doesn't help need play makers.Enough about the Duke going back down to Jr. the kid has earned the time he makes plays. the game will start slowing down for him.Keep him with Nash. Put Kreider with Brassard. Bring in Malone and sit fast. problem becomes who sits when step comes back. Leads me to next move. Package JT miller Maybe Hags and something else and get a good center. Get big Mc into the team. this is not a speed skating sport no more apollo onnos(sp) on the team. This team needs a mix.

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:15 am EST

As I see it they need about 20 games to see where their at. I thought mills looked tenative all night and Talbot looked weak in the crease. If hank was in would've been a different outcome I think. As they tinker their gonna need hank to steal a few. Hopefully they try Malone rangers are to small.

barto


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:59 am EST

Not one to kick a dog while he's down, but last night was a perfect example of what others said: both that Staal isn't expendable and that Klein has no business being above the third pairing.

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:18 am EST

Hunwick played 17 mins. Didnt look terrible - on his off side. Thats good news considering we have no one else the coach will use. Im downgrading the window for Miller to show something, anything, from 25-40 games to 10-15. Not lookin to argue TD. Just been seeing the same meh game from this kid for two years on & off. Give him 10 games on, same position, same everything. But he needs to show something. He should put his shoulder down and bulled his way to the net last night like a hockey player. I hate that Peggy Fleming b.s. I knew Lindberg was better. Hayes might be too. Tick tock, J.T.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:17 am EST

Well they are 1-1 and should rightfully be 0-2. We'll see what happens tonight. The loss of Stepan has been disruptive, as has the loss of Pouliot based on the player AV has chosen to replace him. I would move Duke up with Nash and put Kreider with Brassard.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:11 am EST

Street festival today from noon to six pm. In front of the garden. Should be a fun way to kick off the new Rangers season.

rangerlou


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:42 am EST

TDCHI - Don't give me that garbage....nobody brought up doom and gloom but you...All anybody else is doing is critiquing what they have been able to see so far and not liking it given what the Rangers have...And giving helpful suggestions.....I don't know, I thought many people were predicting very big things from the Rangers and still are...Get Malone on the top 9, get Nash and Ducair together, Get Miller on the 4th line, Get Fast outta there..let the lines play together and things will work well...

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:32 am EST

the king looked like the queen last season in the beginning, so it's the prince being the maiden already....not buying it or the over-reaction to him......especially how the team was playing in front of him.....I have no problem sitting, fast, j moore, and miller tonight....after all it's pre real season still......

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:18 am EST

TD: Sounds like are you suggesting the same thing as the rest of us...line-up is too small essentially and needs more toughness. The Talbot thing shouldn't be under-estimated if he's in the process of showing the world that it wasn't a fluke after all that he was never drafted and spent x number of years in the minors. I hope that's not the case - his was one of the better feel-good stories from last year.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:50 am EST

Love the early-season wall and the pessimism thereof. Rangers played alright. They just faced an opponent that is firing on all cylinders. Guys, relax with the doom and gloom already. They lost their top center and PP specialist within two weeks of each other. Gonna be a tough start. I don't think anyone played awful last night. They just didn't have the tenacity to match a very young, very talented and very determined BJs team...some thoughts: MSL in the center..the experiment is over. End it now. Either move BRASSARD between NASH and KREIDER or give MILLER a shot there...DUCLAIR- find a spot for him in the top 6 or send him back to juniors. Get HAYES or MALONE in for FAST. We need the size and not the speed...and don't dress two lefties on the same defensive pairing. Either play KOSTKA or send him down for MCILRATH. 1-1 guys. Still 80 games left to play.

tdchi


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:47 am EST

Lots of thinks to chat about from yesterday's game, but 2 things stand out: The Rangers got pushed around (again) and Talbot sucked (again). Both are concerning and the repercussions each present, if not addressed, could be quite serious. Regarding the lack of physicality - one of the primary reasons AV doesn't have a cup on his resume is due to his Canucks being physically intimidated by the Bruins in the cup final, to the point where asshole Marchand was allowed to punch a Sedin in the face with no response from a single Canuck. Why AV seems to enjoy his players get physically abused is beyond me. It's frustrating to watch and dangerous to allow. If Malone isn't dressed tonight (not that the Leafs are going to try to run the Rangers thru the boards - they have their own significant amount of issues right now), Sather should interfere. Talbot had better get his head out of his ass, lest his NHL career come to an abrupt end - Desjardins is waiting in Hartford. And Uncle Daddy is waiting in Montreal...

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:25 am EST

Loser's refrain, a bounce here , a bounce there. But true I liked their battle level. They looked like hyena on that goal mouth scramble. BUT when youre talkin about abuse, that can affect weeks, months, careers. Not good. AV needs his head out of his ass asap. With Maline & Hayes we'll look like a different team. Best news is Stemp. Fits perfectly with this team. Considering how Lombardi turned out, pretty lucky in that regard.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:20 am EST

and if he really believes in speed, then start making decisions a lot faster....he can start with Fast.....and who is the right guy to take poo's spot.....stempi, Malone, kid k ? ...leave duke éclair with Nash and st Louis ?.....veenyo has to be the fastest.....open your eyes and see the spots , instead of seeing spots from eyes wide shut.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:22 am EST

Lb repeating opinions from here. The problems will be solved. If VEENYO can't find spots for Malone and Hayes and possibly kostka , then he's part of the problem just like he was early last season. Way too many kids on this roster who lack the experience and knowledge of how they have to play in the NHL .... Guess they can't translate what St. Louis preaches .... Right now this is not a team with the right mental attitudes to succeed : and physically too... Start checking and finnishing them or go sit in the sky box .... And all the rest of the little details needed to win...: it's early but the coach needs to use his 23 man roster to find his mojo . 20 is not going to cut it. But he'll probably play the same lineup tonight because he hasn't had a practice with his blue aces taking the black sheep spots ...:bringing 60 guys and not cutting fast enough in camp causes this bs... Wasting points in the beginning of the season is a bad concept.... The coach helped leave 2 points in Columbus . I hope he left his hard head helmet there too...just what did he learn from the finals? ...: teams will slow down speed just by leaning on them .... The key is fighting thru it .... Not just thinking talking and watching videos .... If the coach didn't learn enough lessons then this team won't ..... They all lost the cup including VEENYO and his crew....right now he seems to be testing the patience of most.... Blame nash richards et al but he's the one who doled out ice times and making lines....there's no free ride even for him ...it's the pp stupid....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:05 am EST

Also, last night was a mess on so many levels. They came out flat, shakey goaltending, got physically pushed around, did not win loose puck battles, very biased officiating, etc. ... all that being said, the boys definitely deserved to lose, ... "BUT" it is a completely different game if DUCLAIR's laser beam off the crossbar finds its way in (that shot was a blur, this kid has an insanely quick release, I could barely track it on DVR replay, WOW!!!), ... and if ST.LOUIS burries that feed from NASH right on the door step it might have changed momentum. Terrible performance overall, but I was encouraged by some of the pressure they applied, just not enough & a very inconsistent effort.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:47 am EST

I have not had a chance to catch up on the wall's assessment of the game yet, but obviously I'm sure there has been a lot of discussion about line combos/chemistry. 2 quick thoughts/observations. If the BRASSARD/ZUCCARELLO line is still looking for a POULIOT type, STEMPNIAK sure looked the part last night. That was a "Benny" type of game he played. Secondly, it has been obvious since the pre season that DUCLAIR & NASH have had instant chemistry together. AV needs to find a way to put/keep those guys together.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 12:25 am EST

And last but not least.....they refs last night should all be ashamed of themselves. Third period , score 3-1 with 13:47 left in game and net mouth scramble in front of BJ's goalie.........Prout comes in and crosschecks Staal right in the goddamn back with the fuckin stupid ref looking right at it....then Prout turns around and Prout crosschecks Hagelin right in the fuckin #'s on the back of his jersey. I would bet that even if the Rangers did play McIlrath....he would blow on someone by the crease and get called for it. Goodnight, fuck the refs

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:34 pm EST

If the Rangers wanna dress a prima donna team that "kills" teams with their speed....they better have much better puck possession and kill them with fuggin goals.

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:33 pm EST

Wow. 2 games in. LOL! Lots at stake for RF4L tomorrow, his second favorite team comes in to the garden.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:30 pm EST

Sather SUCKS! AV is starting to SUCK!!!

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:24 pm EST

Anytime you win a championship or went to to the finals other teams will play you with snarl rangers got to realize that its gonna be tough other teams will gear up for you , we've seen teams struggle year after being to going to the finals !!!!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:24 pm EST

Cant stand guys like Jesper Fast and JT Miller.....there is zero consistency with their play. U have no clue what they hell they bring to the table at the NHL level. And with Fast wearing #19 i can only think of Brad Richards.....and as much as we would dog Colorado Mark's adopted son.....atleast BR had some timely goals and an above average NHL skill set. Jesper Fast blows balls.

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:12 pm EST

One thing about Zucc, he is getting knocked around, but he iis also putting himself in the postion to..seems like he's being over aggressive for some reason..He has nothing to prove, juts play hius regular game..

Hospo


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:10 pm EST

Cam Failbot. Rangers were outplayed to the puck and tried to play cute all night.Need a big body mucker on line with MZA and Brass....Malone fits the bill but Coach AV begs to differ.

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:10 pm EST

It's obvious the Rangers are a fast team, faster than most....So team will be trying to slow them down..That means hitting as well as grabbing, tripping, whatever..This will result in PPs but also injuries..unless they are dissuaded from doing this by PP success or a few players that won't take any shit..Neither have been apparent in the first two games..

Hospo


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:09 pm EST

Our Room.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:08 pm EST

Refs gift wrapped first PP and it just became one those ugly games we've all seen too many of over the years. I wont dwell on negativity, but obviously defending & protecting vital players, make that ALL players, cant be compromised yet now its totally compromised. Zuc isnt sneaking up on anyone this year. Two games and hes been knocked around heavily in both. Cant be. Guy is the key to our offense, our toom, the whole effin thing. Malone time yet coach? He was a good enough skater to score 20+ 6 times. One big positive is theyre trying to play at a championship pace. Lines are a mess and its sloppy early season hockey. But this team expects to play a fierce pace. Miller had an open lane and opted for a 40-ft wrister. Not how you stick.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:05 pm EST

Rhet: McDonough is right. Kudos to him tho for saying it. But he's not saying anything we all don't already know. Hopefully he's not still sayomgbit in 6 weeks!!

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:47 pm EST

That looked like the *second* game of a back-to-back! Props to McD for that end to end rush where he blew around one of the BJ left D.

LeoS


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:30 pm EST

The worst thing SATHER could have done was give Brassard that big contract, making him just about untradable. MZA showing why he is not worth a big contract, and I still feel Haggerty should be on this team. Miller needs to be sent down and St. Louis needs to wake up. Why does it always seem that only the Rangers can never lift the puck and always shoot directly at the goalie pads?

Higgy21


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:27 pm EST

I also forgot to mention that this was another game where I would have loved to have the presence of DM in the lineup. I'm going to need to stop mentioning it because AV seems to have a bug up his ass about DM. The Rangers desperately need a force like him in the lineup. Teams are going to play the Rangers as physically as they can because that is where the Rangers are weakest. AV needs to realize this because it is open season on the Rangers skill players right now and several of them aren't going to make it through the year at this pace.

Vic


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:22 pm EST

This was one of those "burn the tape" games for me. They came out flat, TALBOT was shaky and the officiating was pretty bad all night. I'm still wondering why PROUT wasn't called for anything during the scrum early in the 3rd if I recall correctly. He dished out two viscous cross-checks to STALL and HAGS in plain view of both officials. The officiating went against the Rangers all night but they didn't play well enough to win anyway. HUNWICK was fine. KLEIN and STAAL were on the ice for most of the goals against and I thought STAAL had some good and bad moments. KLEIN had mostly bad moments. STEMPNIAK with another strong game and DUKE played well in the second half of the game. MILLER played better tonight. FAST was very good defensively but most here don't seem to notice. Nobody here liked HAGS with MZA and BRASSARD the second it was announced and hopefully we have seen the last of that line. I knew finding a replacement for POULIOT would be a big issue for this team and his absence would hurt the other two. I don't like KREIDER in that spot either because KREIDER is better suited to a more skilled game. You need someone big that is going to crash the boards and wreak havoc in front of the net. KREIDER is better with the puck and in space. MALONE should be on that line and we all know it except AV. I continue to be against the MSL Center experiment. This team just looks so disjointed right now. They need to clean things up soon because the competition in the East is going to be much better then it has been in the past.

Vic


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:16 pm EST

I'll start with the positives.....Stemp and Duclair, the kid knows how to play the game. And with talent. Not much more after that...Other youngsters aren't impressing...the lines are a mess (KREIDER's penalties added to that)..and even the vets are playing selfish games with their heads up their ass (I.e., MZA)..A lot of this stems from AV and having his lines nowhere near ready for the season...AND, oh yeah, MALONE doesn't fit on this team...Not if you want to get pushed around and taken advantage of....The invisible Fast played his part well again..

Hospo


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:06 pm EST

I was not impressed with Klein. Seemed to be Columbus players left alone in front of our net a lot when he was out there. Would love to see McIlrath get a sniff but Kostka was already chosen instead of him. I just don't think he is AV's type of player.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:57 pm EST

Colo.Mark.., understood. I am so tired of seeing this Club being outmatched physically nite in and out. I don't expect Staal or Girardi, who I have not cared for since the Gabby drive-by, to be headhunting crease cleaners, but please put a body into an opposing player during your shifts! I can see no logical reasoning based on the last 2 games why Big Mac should not be in the line-up going forward. I hate the fact that Zucc and Kreider have fought. I will say though, that I don't believe AV will stick with the current line-upfor long. Step returning won't change that either. The template to play this Club is not"common core" confusing for sure.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:54 pm EST

I'm not liking Miller as Duke's center. I think Kreider needs to play with Brass and Zucc, and Duke with Marty and Nash. Hags fits in nicely with Stemp and Miller (for now) and that balances out the lines. The Brass/Zucc combo is hindered by Hags on the line.

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:41 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh spoke after the Rangers loss against Columbus and said “I think we got away with one in St. Louis not playing our best and it won’t happen too often in this league where you can play your B game and it showed tonight. They were beating us in puck battles, forcing us with their pressure, we couldn’t manage the puck well and it cost us.” McDonagh added, “It is a process but we play strong in our own end and 4 goals tonight are D zone coverage stuff and working off that and coverage in front of the net and that stuff is a staple of our team usually and it’s disappointing to see that as a main cause. We need to shore that up.” Asked about tomorrow against the Leafs, McDonagh added, “we need to bring our A game, we can’t settle for these non-execution games.”

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:38 pm EST

PA- I want the Undertaker in the lineup tomorrow in place of Moore, but I think Staal had a real edge to his game and I was referring to the "Trade Staal for Methot" discussion we had a while back.

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:25 pm EST

Colo.Mark.., I am a big fan of your posts but in regards to Staal and snarl? I am still looking. Bring on THE UNDERTAKER! Somebody is gonna get hurt here very soon. And for those bashing Talbot? Really!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:17 pm EST

We're out of 4 way deals, & Nash and Staal are officially off the trade block. And BTW, I purposely pushed for Bobby Ryan to ensure he'd get signed away (sure) ...

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:14 pm EST

Steve Valiquette just stated that his favorite goali growing up was Terry Sawchuk! Wha? Sawchuk played in the 50's and 60's. Valiquette was born in '77. C'mon Steve, cut the bullish!t! LOL!

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:11 pm EST

If Talbot cant get it done , SLats should give uncle daddy a call ;) ?

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:07 pm EST

moof I confused that with your 143 trades,....he's sinking fast, yesterday it was 164......have any 4 way deals in the canyons of your mind?......

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:59 pm EST

Yo Math-Legs: that would be 123 goals! :-)

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:56 pm EST

RhetOric..........my thoughts exactly, Malone and Hayes should be in for the next one. All this talk in the game now that the Goon is gone and that you only need "team toughness".........well,guess who don't have it folks.......US !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:55 pm EST

Non Ranger....I hate Crosby

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:53 pm EST

Ilya -- everything's good. My son is a freshman in college! Time flies! You can see the league has decided that Zucc is gonna be targeted....probably because his choppiness took the league by surprise last year. CBJ was definitely roughing us up all night long....it's not gonna stop until we get a deterrent.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:52 pm EST

Say it ain't so they are not going 82-0 NN PREDICTED THAT... The prince lost that game? Lol... The king would have lost that game....nash is on a pace now to score 143 goals too.... Put fresh bodies in tomorrow cont the pre real season... Press the panic button def con 4.... Give me an early break....pure absuridty....

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:50 pm EST

JFC.... I was about to type the same exact thing. Weird :) Blow that line up please.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:49 pm EST

Hey JFC how have you been how's your son ? AV needs to realize if he hasn't realized yet you need to hit you won't win anything in this league without taking a body time to put Malone in the lineup not too sure bout Fast !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:48 pm EST

Zucc -4, Brass -3, Hags -2....'nuf said. Only plus players MSL +1, Duke +2

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

Hey JFC how have you been how's your son ? AV needs to realize if he hasn't realized yet you need to hit you won't win anything in this league without taking a body time to put Malone in the lineup not too sure bout Fast !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

The Prince has turned back into a frog.......

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

I never feel like the Rangers take this rivalry as seriously as the Jackets do.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:40 pm EST

I GUESS AV figured that having the net empty was like having Talbot in it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:40 pm EST

I'm sorry to the Fast supporters here. He has never stood out in any game I've ever seen him in. It is incredible how unnoticed he goes. But I have a bad feeling AV is gonna ride him till he enters Pysie territory.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:38 pm EST

If I am the coach (and i'm not, nor do I play one on T.V.), I put both Malone and Hayes in tomorrow night.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:35 pm EST

nash's goal sure took a bit of the shine off the great Marko Dano getting his first

caperanger


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:35 pm EST

I am all for the youngsters and really want Miller to succeed...BUT I am not sold on him or Fast

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:35 pm EST

We have a lot of new guys and we need time to develop chemistry. Not an excuse, just the reality of the situation. It shows a lot.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:34 pm EST

If coaches get the idea that running Zucc will surely remove Kreider from the ice for 17:00, then Zucc will get run a lot more often

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:34 pm EST

I think he has been our best D hands down and he has a snarl

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:34 pm EST

Ok now Glass needs to kick the crap out of Hartnell....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 pm EST

oye.....

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 pm EST

Anybody still think Staal is expendable?

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 pm EST

Duclair is an NHL player. Period.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:32 pm EST

GO NASH GO!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:32 pm EST

Agreed need some more snarl in games like this....AV will come to realize this at some point....Officiating was horrible but Rangers didn't deserve to win....4-1 Ugh....4-2 still Ugh

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:31 pm EST

The Hags-Brass-Zucc experiment should end after tonight. No doubt Columbus seems to feel like they can take liberties with the Rangers...no doubt about it.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:31 pm EST

Not to correct the great Jody Shelley, but Kreider is in the box for 15 minutes not 17. The instigator penalty was served by JT Miller while Kreider was serving the 5 minute major. Shelley should know how penalties work.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:26 pm EST

Talbot has settled down in the 3rd...playing better.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:26 pm EST

There was a JT MIller sighting in the 3rd. Is Fast even playing?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:18 pm EST

Why does it look like we are still trying to figure out our lines in preseason? Not impressed by Brass & Hags at all

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:18 pm EST

So let me get this right; Kreider and Zucc have the first 2 fighting majors of the Season and the water-melon head Coach can't find a spot for Malone and Big Mac can't skate? Meanwhile, a few here say the back-up sucks and Staal looks good? This Club can be as fast as any in the League right now but there is no deterrent. Team is TOO soft!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:10 pm EST

We wont see Kreider until the final 6 minutes of the game.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:04 pm EST

RHET--Kreider will learn. I am still glad he came to Zuke's defense. So, does anyone think Chris Pronger will suspend Skille for the head shot?

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:58 pm EST

Kreider needs to learn that you don't drop your gloves. You challenge the guy and let him drop his first. Then yours just accidentally fly off. Will save him on the misconducts next time. I would prefer not losing Kreider for half of the third period.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:52 pm EST

stepunmytoe...stuck watching the Columbus feed here too ...same as the other night in St. Louis . These guys are sickening to listen to , almost as bad as Darren Pang !

caperanger


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:51 pm EST

Good for Kreider.. This kid is really rounding out his game... Let's bring up McIlrath, move Hunwick to the 3rd pair Left Side with Big Mac.. Me thinks Hunwick has the experience to cover for, and teach him... Maybe give Zucc a day off for maintenance, & get Malone into the line-up....

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:51 pm EST

Now ZUCC looks shaken up (mild concussion)? Great to see KREIDER jump in. Terrible officiating tonight, sense a theme. Did you see the way KREIDER pulled that guy back up to his feet. Very strong.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:50 pm EST

Kreider didn't even throw a punch. What did he instigate?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:49 pm EST

Officiating is a joke. Kreider defends a blind side hit on Zucc- and they get a PP? Same with the hit on Moore- no call.

puckyou


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:49 pm EST

Biz as usual. FU Buttman ! Good on Krieds. Stuck listening to Columbus feed....Brutal.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:48 pm EST

Kreider got hosed.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:47 pm EST

BTW, Forgot to mention that Marc Staal had a terrific game in game 1.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:47 pm EST

HUNWICK is very capable. He skates very well, he is solidly built & he throws the body. Doing more than BOYLE did before he got injured.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:44 pm EST

Game 2 and I look at Duclair and I still feel like I'm looking at an NHL player.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:42 pm EST

MSL has to get that puck up. We need to take advantage of our chances or it will be a long night.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:35 pm EST

forget a defenseman......a back up goalie

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:34 pm EST

They are getting beat all over the ice by the baby Rangers

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:20 pm EST

There's a righty in the line-up..... Good for him, the effort paid off..STEMPNIAKKKKKKK ! :-)

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:20 pm EST

Primary assist foe Duke....he and Stemp have been good this game

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:20 pm EST

Is Stemp the only NYR player to show up tonight?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:19 pm EST

STEMPI

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:19 pm EST

Talbot looks awful! His side-to-side movement is slow as hell

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:18 pm EST

Could McIlrath even catch up to Hartnall to fight him?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:16 pm EST

RH,on the other hand its hard to get much playing time when you play behind someone like HANK , however im not impressed with his play !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:13 pm EST

ZUCC back on the bench... This guy better tone it down a bit; fistacuffs in game one, and now this hit..

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:13 pm EST

They popped his shoulder back in and he was ready to go :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:13 pm EST

Glass needs to pay Hartnell a visit....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:12 pm EST

Got a break BAZOOKERELLA is back

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:07 pm EST

Malone ? I want him and Wrath on the same ice ! Hartnell should of be decapitated after what he did. Shameful response !

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:07 pm EST

John Moore blows .....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:04 pm EST

Sure looks like a healthy Malone is needed in this contest.. Totally underwhelmed by John Moore in this game too....

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:04 pm EST

Zucc popped his shoulder. Paging Mr. Haggerty

puckyou


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:02 pm EST

Stemp best player on the ice for the Rangers....Could use Malone out there....Just don't get it....Hartnell hasn't changed...Same old weasel that needs his ass kicked.....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:01 pm EST

Hipcheck.... subluxation? ...Gazoontite?!?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:58 pm EST

Hey ILYA....I mentioned in the preseason that if you look at talbot's stats lifetime from the AHL, he's due to come crashing back down to earth(and reality) this season. Plus, there's always that Sophomore slump thing. As always, I'm hoping to be proven wrong :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:56 pm EST

This game has bad mojo all over it. They look very sluggish.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:55 pm EST

Artificials suck as usual.... Advantage home team

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:55 pm EST

The Prince looks like a serf! Seriously shakes goaltending. Zucc looks like he separated his shoulder.....maybe it's just a stinger where he lost feeling in his arm. But it didn't look good.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:54 pm EST

ZUCCARELLO looks to have a shoulder subluxation. Just great.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:54 pm EST

Hey Folks its been a while since i've posted here, i dont know bout you guys im not sold in Talbot , he had a bad preseason and two goals were stoppable, not sure if he's an nhl goaltender !!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:53 pm EST

Zuccharello just got smashed. And it looks bad

rangerlou


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:51 pm EST

The Boys' don't have "it" tonight (so far).

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:50 pm EST

If this game continues this way, I think it's safe to say that Malone will be in tomorrow night,

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:50 pm EST

The HARTNELL situation needs to be addressed.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:47 pm EST

STEMPNIAK is playing his ass off!!!

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 5:43 pm EST

TD I mean in terms of being a Top 6 forward he was projected to be when I say busted. No one hopes their first rounder develops into a 4th liner. But I dont want tovsound demanding. JT should be playin pressure free, havin the time of his loose and letting it fly. Impossible to do, Im sure the kid is feeling it. He looks tight sometimes like he is feeling it. But I just hope he plays to his best & let the chips fall.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 4:42 pm EST

It's apparent that AV is trying to get Duclair I to a position to succeed....that position being the PP. I had mentioned a couple of days ago that I was impressed with Duclair's first NHL game and that he seemed to know how to get himself to open ice on the PP so he could be fed the puck....and he ended up with 2 great scoring chances on separate PPs. I think AV saw the same thing and now has the Duke on the 2nd PP unit. It's a good concept....get the kid good looks and maybe some points on the PP, get his confidence up and it will translate to confident play at ES. I see a difference between how he approaching thevDule and how he has approached JT....I think he sees something(s) in the Duke that he is intrigued with and he is trying to make it work. I don't know that he ever was intrigued with JT....doesn't mean he doesn't think he's a potentially good player.....but I think that he sees Duclair as potentially something SPECIAL and he wants to nurture his talent....at least for now.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 4:18 pm EST

RR - MILLER has some real soft hands and when he's on, he can pull some pretty jaw-dropping moves...I've seen him dangle guys in the AHL..just zip around them with a toe-drag like they were pylons...that hasn't translated yet into his NHL play...But that skill is there and he's used it at the professional level...But I'd say his top skill is really his ability to use his body to shield the puck...that's basically how he plays the boards so effectively...I'd be loath to call any 21-year-old kid a bust...definitely wouldn't use that term for Miller...Even if he doesn't turn into a crucial player, it's not like the Rangers could have done much better in that draft. during the first round...If I recall, the two guys here many were hoping for were Mark McNEIL, who is kind of a grinder with the Hawk's Rockford affiliate...and Tyler BIGGS, who is struggling in the AHL.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 3:45 pm EST

stevielegs - I just think that line, though well-intentioned, simply didn't complement any of the players on it. We shall see if they're together again tonight.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 3:22 pm EST

Devils and Flyers need all the special help they can get.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 2:25 pm EST

Everyone gets something but us. If memory serves, Devs lost their No. 1 pick with the Kovalchuk thing, Bettman handed it back to them.Must be nice. Pronger? Easily one of the biggest assholes I ever saw play the game. Disgrace. Oh right, we get Quintal in charge of discipline. That should work out well for us....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 2:00 pm EST

monitor and police. Sheesh. Sorry.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 2:00 pm EST

RHET---First, it is cap circumvention no matter how you slice it. Meanwhile, the Rangers had to buy out Richards due to a rule made AFTER his contract was approved by the NHL. Second......Zac Rinaldo is probably a pretty happy guy today. Third.....These issues always seem to break to the advantage of Ed Snider. Forget the fact that this is like appointing Ted Kaczynski to monito and pokice the postal service.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 1:25 pm EST

BOB.... Yes, Chris Pronger is officially retired. Because he signed a 35 plus contract, his money stays on Philadelphia's books ....but.... because he had a career-ending injury, the Flyers are able to put him on LTIR every season until his contract ends. What is most disturbing is that they'd select Chris Pronger for a Department of player Safety job? Chris Pronger? This is another reason why the NHL is a Mickey Mouse league run by idiots.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 1:01 pm EST

So Chris Pronger is technically retired, but does not retire and remains on LTIR so the Flyers don't get hit with a $7MM cap hit, and he gets hired by the NHL to work in the "Player Safety" department. Really?

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:51 am EST

PP1: McDonagh-St. Louis, Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello PP2: Hunwick-Girardi, Duclair-Kreider-Stempniak

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:46 am EST

maybe jt jitters just has the jitters in the nhl?.....veenyo is on his one track speed kills game,,,guess size has taken a back seat with Malone, he'll crack this lineup and stick...size mattered in the finals....Lombardi was told by veenyo to go tear it up, and he'd be recalled...but he got or had an offer and took that course for his life.....the cap is destroying building a team...great concept by the lawyer buttman.....running the league for the struggling cities.....next cba needs to go to the luxury tax......

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:27 am EST

For today's game three, Diaz is out. Brooks just can't count.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:08 am EST

If Diaz does manage to beat out Engelland, you'd better believe they'd try to move that contract. Not carrying a $3 million black ace. Diaz's one-year 700k? sounds more likely.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:02 am EST

Wow, TD, I know you believe in Miller and all, that's a good thing. I haven't ruled the kid out. I saw him in junior tourneys, he really impressed. But thats also a long time ago, against far lesser competition. A boatload of talent? Nah, I can't say that. In what regard? He handles the puck well, skates well. Nothing else stands out, and he really hasn't accomplished anything. My gut says he'll be a busted pick we trade eventually, but I'd love to be wrong. We need 6-2 guys with grit & skill. But this kid, I just don't know sometimes. He needs to play, we need to see what happens. But a few more non-descript clunkers like opening night, AV won't even dress him.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:01 am EST

Whiz kid McDavid with 16 points in his first 4 regular season game.....geeesh. future Cane??

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:00 am EST

TD- two games. they are 1-1. Im not defending Engelland. I said I didn't know that Diaz could beat him out to get into top-six. Best Engelland has scored is 17 points. Diaz, 16.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:59 am EST

And just one more thing about Miller's supposedly diminished hockey IQ...didn't seem to hinder the US from putting him on a line with Rocco Grimaldi and Johnny Gaudreau during the WJC. I'd think they'd relegate a stump-minded player onto a line where the movement is a lot slower than those two crank it.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:56 am EST

Time to farm out Hayes....

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:56 am EST

Messier11 - Flames only played one game. They dressed seven D...And are you really gonna defend ENGELLAND'S defense?!? That guy was a pylon in the playoffs.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:53 am EST

York18 - So you base your opinion on MILLER on one game against what could very well be the President's Trophy winning team? Mmm. Now which one of us is being illogical? Miller has pulled together a nice string of performances, not just "two games" as you suggest. Start with the playoffs and roll through the three games where he was looking very sharp in the middle...In fact, the only other game since his last demotion where he HASN''T looked good was the last pre-season game where, as you suggested, they moved him back to wing. Look, you don't think the kid can hack it...that much is clear...I get it...even though you try to ride the fence on this one, your opinion is pretty clear...and I think you're wrong. Not much further to go from here other than to agree to disagree. About the only thing we agree on with Miller is that he has a boatload of talent. I think you're wrong about him being better on the wing and I think you're dead wrong about his "hockey IQ" being diminished(did it ever occur to you he's only 21?)...but time will play this one out for us and, I'd say, will ultimately vindicate my opinion.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:51 am EST

Glass, Fast and Hunwick in.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:50 am EST

Klein is moving up to 2nd pairing with Staal. Not sure on PP. Hunwick practiced with first unit yesterday but Kostka was the callup, right? Idk, those guys are totally generic to me, though I do know Hunwick can boogie. See what our genius coach does.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:44 am EST

So far, Engelland has played both games. Diaz came in for one in place of Wideman.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:42 am EST

nearly 3 mill for mostly just a fighter seems pretty extravagant.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:41 am EST

RF4L - I suspect that price tag for MYERS was the pre-deadline purchase price...No way they'd ever get that much these days...maybe a first and a prospect...or a roster player and a pick...no way on all three...I don't think the Rangers will do anything that drastic anyway...Think KOSTKA will get a shot tonight and if he proves serviceable, he'll slide into the third defensive pairing with MOORE...one interesting side note about this change...I suspect STAAL will be paired with KLEIN...and I also suspect he and GIRARDI will split BOYLE'S PP time...this could be a chance for Staal to finally explore his offensive upside...one of the things that has always bugged me about the Rangers and Staal is that they never seem to let him loose...Since the emergence of McDONAGH and his injury woes, he's always been handed stay-at-home duties. Would be nice to see Staal finally use that powerful shot and smooth stride without having to worry about covering constantly for the defensive lapses of his partner.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:32 am EST

Rhet0ric - that's exactly what I suspected, re: DIAZ. Contracts are a two-way street...often here the assumption is that the Rangers didn't want to bring someone back...but as we've learned with some of the guys who bailed for Tampa, sometimes its not a Rangers' decision...it's the player's choice...Diaz knew he wasn't going to get much ice in New York...baring injury, he was going to be riding pine...and for someone like HUNWICK, who was most recently in the AHL, that's fine...but Diaz has the goods to be in a lot of teams' top six, albeit usually that sixth spot...on the Flames, I'd say he falls in ahead of ENGELLAND, who is really only in the NHL because he can fight.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:23 am EST

not all of them, I mean, but any of them.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:23 am EST

I like Diaz, but its hard for me to believe that he's beat out Wideman, Giordano, Smid, Engelland, Russell and TJ Brodie.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:57 am EST

The Rangers had interest in bringing Raphael Diaz back but Diaz did not want to be in the role of 7th defenseman. (Larry Brooks) Diaz signed with Calgary after a training camp tryout and is in their top-6 defense. The Rangers acquired Diaz at the trade deadline from Vancouver for a 5th round pick in 2015.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:24 am EST

BTW, Mayers has a cap hit of $5,500,000 for the next 4 years (after this season). A good contract if he rediscovers his game, but the Rangers would have to shed salary to acquire him.

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:01 am EST

RR: He also likes to fear monger, which is something a lot of journalists are apt to do. I mean, yeah, there's a concern that apparently on the farm, no adequate NHL ready defenseman exists, but worrying about next year and injuries is just plain silly. That said, I do get the concern about not re-signing Staal, but not because of what might happen next year with injuries, but because the organization (IMO) cannot afford to lose someone of his ilk for nothing, especially considering all the high picks Sather has traded off recently. The problem with that philosophy, however, if obvious: If he's not signed by the deadline but contributing like he can and the team is doing reasonably well, trading him away will almost certainly have a negative impact. How negative remains to be seen.

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:54 am EST

TD: Last year Myers was on the block and the Sabres wanted: 1) A first rounder 2) A top prospect and 3) An established young player. So, it would mean the Rangers cough up their 2016 first, someone like Duclair, and Hagelin. That's too costly. Of course, if they are set on moving him and the market is soft, one of those 3 could drop off the plate. So would you agree to move Duclair and Hagelin for Myers?

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:41 am EST

Yeah I noticed that by Brooks, RF. He just can resist the chance to put in a plug for an agent/player/new contract, even if its totally irrelevant to this year. World class imbecile sometimes. And Boyle will probably be back in 3 weeks or so, no need to panic. Nor should they make a big move for a dman, because they'll be nowhere for him to play when Boyle returns. We signed a few depth dmen, and have McIlrath. This is when you use them. AV, BTW, says Malone is healthy.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 am EST

If the Rangers are in the hunt for a RHS defenseman, they should ask Buffalo what their plans are with Tyler MYERS. Kid hasn't done much of anything since his sophomore year in the league and though he was once considered a lock for an elite defenseman, his stock has plummeted in recent years. With all the defensive prospects they have in the system, I bet he could be had relatively cheap. Would still probably cost a roster player most likely...interesting thought would be to offer them John MOORE and maybe KRISTO...bring Connor ALLEN in and then shop KLEIN when BOYLE comes back...and if you really want to plug roster holes...see what the Sabres want for Myers and Cody HODGSON....deal like that would certainly involve MILLER going the other way.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:16 am EST

Isn't LB being a bit premature in agonizing over what the Ranger blueline might look like NEXT year if injuries occur and Marc Staal isn't resigned?

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 3:17 am EST

Maybe that hip flexor is not 100% healed. Better to get Malone healthy early.

MelvilleFred


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:47 pm EST

This is why we come here...Not sure how many have seen this?...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4--iEOftLZ4

RF73


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:57 pm EST

Diaz would have kind of seamlessly stepped into Boyles spot in a pinch, and would have had second-pair, PP minutes for at least a stretch. Better than Calgary

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:48 pm EST

HOSPO- I agree w you on JT Miller.... damn, NYRs are THIN down the middle right now... but no use forcing Miller to play where and when he is NOT yet ready..

schneidw


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:47 pm EST

MALONE- Don't read too much into AV comments... he may be trying to keep the psychological pressure on Malone to keep him focused and motivated... last thing we need is Malone getting complacent and hitting the pipe down in the Bowery..

schneidw


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:45 pm EST

RICK NASH= Better late than never... came into camp in shape and motivated... 2 goals and pressure at the front of the goal.. showed a quick release and accurate location w his shot... AWESOME!

schneidw


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:00 pm EST

It has nothing to do with "imagination"....it's conjecture or an educated guess addressing the many folks here who are wondering why AV won't give Malone a chance. There have been many instances where coaches refuse to use a player because they disagree with the GM. One good example was with this very organization: John Muckler was pressured to keep Manny Malhotra with the big club even though he find not think he was ready. So, he simplymarginalized him, would not play him in his 2nd season and back to juniors he went. He played 73 games in his 1st year and then 20 something with basically no ice time the next before being sent back to juniors. And that's just one examp,e of many throughout many different sports. So, no, it's not "imagination" at all....it's based on past history and human nature.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 8:14 pm EST

That's a pretty healthy imagination! Maybe he just can't keep up with the tempo.

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:52 pm EST

I don't have a problem with moving JT to a different line. It's not a demotion AFAIAC because last night proved that the 3rd/4th lines are bad ally interchangeable in terms of ice time. What everyone was referring to as the 3rd line got the least ice time of any line last game.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:49 pm EST

Don't know AV's MO well enough to make this conclusion, but this refusal to use Malone and his proclamation that he just doesn't "fit" has the whiff of "power struggle" to it....as if he resents the way Malone ended up on this team. Malone was team mates with MSL, he worked out with several Rangers over the summer, then apparently got the tryout by those players recommending him. Now, if AV feels that it went straight to Sather, who then decided to sign him despite the fact that AV felt he was too slow to fit his system. Then he could very well be holding Malone out because he wants to send a message that he doesn't like being overruled or circumnavigated. I'm sure Malone will get in there but not until AV feels like he's been spiteful enough to get his point across.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 6:47 pm EST

The Rangers are looking to add defensive depth following the broken hand suffered by Dan Boyle. (NY Post) The market for defensemen though is presenting “slim pickings” right now. (NY Post) Larry Brooks also notes that if this is the situation the Rangers find themselves in after losing their fourth defenseman, they can’t afford to not bring Marc Staal back. (NY Post) With Michael Kostka called up, the only defensemen in Hartford with NHL experience, that are under contract, are Dylan McIlrath (two games) and Conor Allen (three games).

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:46 pm EST

Id said AV could have a sophmore slump. That doesnt sound like mind games (though its not supposed to if it were). And this is the guy who kept tapping Richards on the shoulder every PP until I had to watch the Kings raise a banner last night. Must I lose my temper before its even game two?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:37 pm EST

He sees a spot for Fast but doesn't see a spot for MALONE? OK.....

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:30 pm EST

Malone will be this year's eddie o ... Heave ho... Seems to have a good attitude and sense of humor with a smile... A blue ace....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:23 pm EST

everyone has at least 1 blind spot.....lost count on Sather''s.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:10 pm EST

-On Ryan Malone, “Malone is healthy and I had a good conversation with him. I liked his training camp but I am not quite sure, and I was very honest with him, where he fits in with our team picture right now. We all know that a lot of stuff happens in a season. At this time that is where he is situated and we will see where it goes.” -What was his reaction, “I would rather be here than in Hartford” (Laughs)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:10 pm EST

-On Ryan Malone, “Malone is healthy and I had a good conversation with him. I liked his training camp but I am not quite sure, and I was very honest with him, where he fits in with our team picture right now. We all know that a lot of stuff happens in a season. At this time that is where he is situated and we will see where it goes.” -What was his reaction, “I would rather be here than in Hartford” (Laughs)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:06 pm EST

SATHER SUCKS!

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:03 pm EST

Kinda like where today's lines are leading....Have said for awhile that I think Glass-Moore-MIller would be a good line for the team and for MIller....Hopefully when Glass slides back in, it';s for FAST and not MIlller...Gotta try somebody at 3rd C, so I guess it's Hayes chance, nothing wrong with that even if I have my doubts about him for this year....Still, the only problem is NO MALONE...assinine in my book....Hopefully AV sees the light sometime soon...Wouldn't be a bad guy to have with two talented kids or with Stemp and Hayes...

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:50 pm EST

guess I didn't edit on time after all!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:50 pm EST

Things are pretty testy considering we're 1-0 LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:49 pm EST

Things are pretty testing considering we're 1-0 LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:44 pm EST

Not an indictment of any player, but Id move Moore up with Staal and play Hunwick/Klein. Staal/Klein i think will be a mistake, especially if Staal thinks he can trust Klein to cover for him defensively. He'd never even consider that if paired with Boyle or Moore.

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:33 pm EST

Once again, NICK cuts through the BS.

Bob


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:24 pm EST

TD he played two good games in tge pre against ahl level guys and because he plays first line in the ahl he should be a top line NHL player roflmao stupidest thing I ever heard. Ever hear of brad smyth 50 goal ahler gernander was a top line ahler no one is costing miller anything but Miller he had two good preseason games and you act like he had a great season. Again who's to blame for him winning no faceoffs

York18


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:17 pm EST

I don't watch the preseason so have never seen McI play, but on skating comparisons with Girardi, even if they both are slow, G -- who I am not a huge fan of -- knows where to be and when, in order to mask any speed deficiency. Not sure McI can do that at this point and probably not. This might make the call on whether he is an NHLer, or if Slats -- "Eric the Clown" of drafting -- managed to fuck up yet again. If not for his yearly dumpster-diving the NYR couldn't ice a 20 guys for games.

Nick


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:13 pm EST

STEVIE: MALONE in POU's spot is so obvious. I don't get why he doesn't want to go that way. The only thing I can think of is that he plans to slide KREIDER there when STEPAN gets back. That wouldn't be the way that I would go but it isn't my team. I move MSL off of that line not KREIDER. Right now it looks like DUCLAIR is the guy keeping MALONE out of the lineup. I was all for giving DUCLAIR a chance to show what he can do but not if that means keeping MALONE out of the lineup.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:12 pm EST

VIC... Yes, he's a solid player but he's also vanilla. IMO, he makes a great super-sub when someone get's injured. He also just does't have the same skill level of some of the other guys on the team. Malone for example can be a real tempo changer when he's firing on all cylinders. Fast is a nice player, we just need more than he is capable of.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:03 pm EST

well he's already demoted jt jitters to 4th line wing, and puts hayes in over Malone. and leaves Fast in with a sore arm...guess glass cracked.......this too shall change......can't wait until he stumbles into the right combos, and sticks with them. Malone belongs in poo's old spot....line generator is not fully warmed up and functioning .......version 2014-2015 still upgrading.......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:02 pm EST

RHET: On FAST, the kid is a good player who I think AV sees a definite role for on this team. He is very solid defensively. Yes, he had the lazy backcheck last night on the one goal but it was after he was hurt and it was the first time I've seen him do that. He is a solid penalty killer and seems to have good instincts on the ice. He skates well and has good enough hands to bury opportunities when they arise. I think AV sees him as a great option for 4th line winger. A bottom 6 player with a role. Nothing wrong with that and I think FAST fits that role just fine. The problems with the team are the construction of the top 3 lines. The 4th line is fine.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:53 pm EST

Swap Malone with Hags, Hags with Duclair and send Duclair back to junior where he belongs. Please. If more injuries mount, call up Haggerty or Lindbergh.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:52 pm EST

VIC,.... Maybe the question we should be asking is what is AV's fascination with FAST? What does this kid bring to the table that no one else does? I don't get it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:47 pm EST

*** SIGH *** I don't understand AV's thinking. DM looked fine. He isn't a great skater but he moves well enough to play in the NHL. If AV's measuring stick is that his D need to be able to chase down CROSBY on a breakaway then DM will never play for this team. Frankly I don't think that is necessary as GIRARDI seems to hold his own and his skating is suspect to say the least. DM brings other elements that nobody else on this roster can or will and the Rangers need that. On MALONE, WTF? He plays two preseason games and looks great and now he can't sniff the lineup? Why? The BRASSARD line desperately needs that big, physical presence.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:33 pm EST

Lines from practice today.... Kreider-St. Louis-Nash.... Hagelin-Brassard-Zuccarello.... Duclair-Hayes-Stempniak..... Miller-D. Moore-Fast..... McDonagh-Girardi.... Staal-Klein.... J. Moore-Hunwick

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:13 pm EST

Some of us need to dial it back a bit. Just because AV used certain verbiage with the press, it doesn't mean he put it the same way to Malone. What we do know is that nothing is set in stone with this team. Also, AV is usually reluctant to change things when the team wins. It doesn't mean the Malone doesn't have a future with the team.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:09 pm EST

Ha...chill, KIS. Just some early season inventory taking. The right players will play. And Sather's brought all but one or two that we need in, theyll figure it out. I deal with that 5th grade level stuff all the time - but they're adults!!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:06 pm EST

If we still had our first rounder, we might have been able to get Tyler Myers out of Buffalo. Oh well.

Bob


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:04 pm EST

RR are you sure it isn't drag queen. Fuckin team always gets me riled up. Sather is a dumb ass as well. Stop making bad contracts and stop sitting on assetts. We always have so many young kids. Guess what Cigar chomp, there are only so many people that can play. This team has needs Use your assets wisely. yeah I'm in a pissy mood. Lets see you guys deal with kids who on a 5th grade level ask you how to spell red. Dumb fucking educational system. I need to tap out from this line of work. sheesh

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:58 pm EST

I think Big Mac will soon be on his way out. I think he was a match for the Tortorella zone defense coverage scheme. I don't think he is a match for AV's man-to-man, mobile defender system. Simply an issue of coaching wants and styles. If we would have drafted Cam Fowler, he would now fit but wouldn't have with Torts. Maybe Mac can be part of a deal for a center.

Bob


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:58 pm EST

Yeah, I was thinking along same lines RF.....and KIS LOL.We'll see. Sather wanted this guy here, he's going to play at some point. Or AV will just continue to use Fast the one-armed cosmetic queen - who was freaking' invisible last night. Sheesh. Always something.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:38 pm EST

Well I will be the first to say AV is a dumb fuck. He does many things well but some decisions are head scratchers. The first 2. Why no McI. I dont buy the skating reason. Since when has Girardi been a world class skater.Now this choice that there is no place for MAlone at the moment. Why sign the guy and make it count against the cap. Why can't he play is he too big. oh I get it he might help the PP. AV wants the PP to be anemic.. What a horses ass. He was lucky to get the team to the cup finals. haha. Still don't like those 2 decisions

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:28 pm EST

Maybe AV has elected to do to test Malone's commitment to the team and to his new found ways? I mean, if Malone is to react by issuing ultimatums to 'play me or trade me', it would certainly bring to light just how reformed and committed he actually is. I dunno, pure speculation on my part in order to understand AV's mindset.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:21 pm EST

AV has to be trying to piss Malone off, and instill discipline and a real hunger. That nothings going to be given to him. AV is way too smart not to see what Mslone brings, how badly we need it, or how EASY it is to reconfigure lines to get him in. Has to be. Or fire AV lol. R47. Luv it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:12 pm EST

RHET/RF4L - Man, I'm dumbfounded by AV's treatment and reaction to MALONE...I saw him in two games for the Rangers in pre-season, and both games he made a huge difference and brought exactly what the Rangers need....Is he just too slow for AV? Something off the ice??? So instead we get some non-entity named Quickie on a nightly basis?....or Hoping for some gangly kid like Hayes? Hayes indeed has talent, and will do some things offenviely but some teams are gonna abuse and take advantage of him left and right...Doesn't he remember how the size and stength of the kings wore the Rangers down last year?

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:08 pm EST

Rapid: a la Zucc, when I was 5 years old and my big brother was 11 one of his friends was always picking on me. When I complained to my brother he told me to just punch his friend in the nose - which I did. You never saw such a confused look on his face! What was he supposed to do - beat up a 5 year old! :) After that he left me alone....

Ranger47


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:02 pm EST

York - what the Rangers need to do with MILLER (and DUCLAIR for that matter) is keep them in the position where they envision them suceeding. You want to jump on Miller for his hockey IQ? Well the kid plays top-line center minutes for half a season in Hartford then get relegated to bottom line wing in the NHL. For two years the kid has been jerked around like that and you some how think the discrepancy in his play is hockey IQ? Then we get three good games of the kid at center...where he's making MALONE look good ...then boom. It's back to wing with on third line...then it's back to center with a rookie and a rusty veteran...and I'M making excuses for him?!? That, buddy, is an ROTFLMMFAO. Kid needs a role. Kid needs linemates. Kid needs to be given the leash to make mistakes without people questioning if he's brain dead everytime he turns over the puck. Now I've been down this road with you too many times to go down it again, so we'll agree to disagree. I think your assessment of Miller is half a bubble off dead wrong. We agree he has talent. That's about it.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:01 pm EST

York - what the Rangers need to do with MILLER (and DUCLAIR for that matter) is keep them in the position where they envision them suceeding. You want to jump on Miller for his hockey IQ? Well the kid plays top-line center minutes for half a season in Hartford then get relegated to bottom line wing in the NHL. For two years the kid has been jerked around like that and you some how think the discrepancy in his play is hockey IQ? Then we get three good games of the kid at center...where he's making MALONE look good ...then boom. It's back to wing with on third line...then it's back to center with a rookie and a rusty veteran...and I'M making excuses for him?!? That, buddy, is an ROTFLMMFAO. Kid needs a role. Kid needs linemates. Kid needs to be given the leash to make mistakes without people questioning if he's brain dead everytime he turns over the puck. Now I've been down this road with you too many times to go down it again, so we'll agree to disagree. I think your assessment of Miller is half a bubble off dead wrong. We agree he has talent. That's about it.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:58 pm EST

Andrew Gross..... Fast said, "I'm fine," when asked about his left hand, sore from blocking a shot last night. AV said he was surprised "Quickie" practiced.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:57 pm EST

WTF is right. MAKE him fit. Rest Glass, back Haggy up and slot Malone with Zuc. What's so hard Froggy?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:56 pm EST

RF4L.... I'm a Malone fan, I just don't get it. Malone with Zuc and Brassard seems like the perfect fit, Maybe AV will eventually get there :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:53 pm EST

Rhet: 'We don't need a big, physical winger who goes to the net, has a very good shot and has scored previously for other teams, and most importantly, brings a physical presence to the lineup no else can'? I mean didn't the pummelling the Hobbit took last night tell AV something? I mean, WTF??

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:52 pm EST

Cam Talbot will start for the Rangers tomorrow night in Columbus and Henrik Lundqvist will start on Sunday night against Toronto in the home opener. (Leonard) Alain Vigneault has said that he hopes to get Talbot around 20-22 games and keep Lundqvist around 60-62 like last year.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:51 pm EST

Steve Zipay..... Tanner Glass (back). A gametime decision per AV. If he can't go, AV leaning toward Hayes

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:51 pm EST

Rabbit and others, I get the logic but it still doesn't sit well with me. I was a bit of an "enforcer" in my playing days on the "pitch" so I always like to see those who should, do so. This Club is too soft, anyway it's sliced.

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:48 pm EST

Per Andrew Gross ..... AV said he's talked to Ryan Malone and told veteran wing right now he doesn't see how Malone fits into picture. That can change quickly tho.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:46 pm EST

RHET: No worries but you probably don't remember me killing HANK on the Wall most of last year. I beat him like a red-headed stepchild and ranted about his contract being an anvil around the neck of the team. Well, HANK came back and showed me where to shove it in the latter part of last season and the playoffs. He looked extremely sharp in preseason and last night. I just don't think beating up HANK on that play is warranted due to the way he played last night and the fact that he thought he had plenty of support.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:40 pm EST

I'm not sure anyone here is saying Miller needs to be pressboxed or sent down or get like 5 minutes of icetime per game. I think the discussion is where does he play? I posted my concern about him centering a line that's expected to produce offense and last night's effort did zero to ease that concern. If anything, it's done the opposite. How many games does AV give him there? And with what linemates? Or do you move him to wing now and try Hayes at center? I don't know if either choice is wrong, as long as the team is winning. If they struggle, obviously AV will be more apt to tinker with his lineup (which I suspect he will do anyways to a certain degree, especially if more injuries pile up).

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:40 pm EST

Zuccarello also punched Reaves in the face Haha... I laugh my balls off every time. Hey, these guys take a shot at him cause they think he wont fire back!! It's frickin' hysterical, the looks on their faces LOL....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:38 pm EST

The Blues play-by-play guys brought up an interesting point about Hank's blocker last night. His is concave unlike a normal blocker. They made the point that it makes it difficult for Hank to direct the puck where he wants it to go with the curve to it. It caused him to knock the puck to the ice in front of him instead of being able to direct it away from him like a goalie would normally be able to. Anyone know the purpose of Hank's concave blocker, other than that it looks cool?

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:36 pm EST

The way the fight evolved between Zucc and Mr. Enterprise really made it not necessary for anyone to jump in....they jabbed at each other, yapped at each other face-t-face and then Zucc threw down the gloves....he wanted to fight. I think he was doing it to try and change the momentum of the game. Now, if a tussle had occurred and suddenly a bigger guy dropped the gloves and starting beating up an unsuspecting Zucc....yeah, then you gotta defend the Hobbit to keep him from being hurt. But, Zucc has got the big advantage that, at his size, he'll never really lose a fight. If he wins outright, it's : "Hey that little guy is one tough bastard!". If he loses, then it's: "Well, the other guy was much bigger than he is." But, either way, we can't afford to have Zucc get hurt....he needs to rethink this fighting crap and have this be a one-time thing.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:31 pm EST

Cam's the man tomorrow night. Sounds like Hunwick going in.practiced with 1st unit. We'll see. I want MALONE making his debut tomorrow.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:27 pm EST

One by one they're falling off Hospo.Lombardi, then it'll be Miller, then Hayes (though I see him at wing next year anyway). Eventually, LINDBERG will be the last man standing. I estimate about 5 months before AV figures it out.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:23 pm EST

Paul Stastny said. ... "I went around [Girardi]. I think he was beat. He’s an honest player; just a natural reaction. He tried to get a piece of me for me not to beat him.” .....Zuccarello when being interviewed after the game said "I'm not a dresser like Hank, he probably wears a suit at home" :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:21 pm EST

RABID - I agree..you don't jump in on a MZA-Oshie fight, let the two have their day in the goon sun! I was actually waiting for some hair pulling...

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:18 pm EST

RHET - You are probably correct, but, I have yet to see a better long term option...Like you, I hope we can get that bigger center by the deadline..I'm not buying HAYES JT MILLER there this year..Biut, hey, it's a long season that just started..Hopefully, I'll be as wrong as I was on Lombardi!

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:16 pm EST

Thought Staal was very strong last night, BTW. PA, seemed a pretty fair fight. Staal jumps in he's gone. You wanted him to? Against Oshie? Its good Zuc threw down. He was laughing about it after the game. He's an ornery little sob.Luv him to pieces but it's gonna happen. As long as its not some goon, otherwise sure we gotta protect the little guy.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:12 pm EST

Hospo.... I think MSL in the center pivot over a long period of time wont look as good as he does now. That being said, we will have roughly $3-4 Million(what our current cap space will correspond to by then) to add a center at the trade deadline. I think we'll see guys like Vermette or Kadri being available(if they don't get re-signed). It could also go a long way to helping us afford Joe Thornton if that's the path we decide to follow ....VIC... Sorry, I missed your post... Firstly let me state that I was not defending John Moore at all. He was mostly brutal last night. At time, he made Hank's life a living hell in the 3rd period. That being said, Hank still should've never given up that rebound and the goal should never have happened. It irks me when fans will go on and on about the guy making the turnover but never critique Hank for giving up a bad rebound that he should've easily handled. Many fans even act like it's sacrilege to criticize Hank on anything. I am obviously not in that camp :) The problem with Moore is that most of our assets in the system are of the shut down variety while he is one of the few offensive assets we have that can work in AV's transition system. It also makes it hard to replace him. Anyway, it's only one game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:09 pm EST

Very disappointed no Big Mac. Not buying the "skating" angle tbh. I guess somebody's gonna have to get busted up pretty badly to maybe get this kid in the line-up. And, no outrage from anybody over Staal pulling a Girardi durig Zucc's "fight?"

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:45 pm EST

Lombardi's (Eye-talian) departure helps clear some of the redundant muck in the middle... Bon Voyage...... Seems to me the MSL & Nash are developing a little chemistery... Bet Stamkos misses his little buddy.... Even with MSL centering, nothing says he cant gravitate over to his natural RW when the opportunity presents itself, & with Nash drifting to the slot, Bingo! Can Krieder win a face-off? Oohhh, possibly untapped potential we may not know of there?

mf


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:35 pm EST

RHET - I understand that..but you do what is best for the team whether you are 22 or 39....In the best of all worlds, he moves back to wing when Stepan comes back..However, personally, I'm not so keen on the other options for a top 9 C after Brass and Step, and that includes MILLER and HAYES for this year,,..We'll find out more over the next 10 games.

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:31 pm EST

From Rick Carpiniello chat on when he thinks Dylan McIlrath will make the NYR.... "When he can skate and keep up with NHL forwards. Which might or might not ever happen." ..... "Opinions are one thing. Seeing him in preseason was another. This is a kid whose skating was a problem BEFORE he wrecked his knee twice."

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:24 pm EST

so what would happen if jt jitters plays center for Nash and Kid K?......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:24 pm EST

Michael Kostka has joined the Rangers in Columbus for today’s practice. (NYR) Kostka is skating as the 7th defenseman with John Moore being paired with Matt Hunwick. (NYR) Jesper Fast is on the ice after hurting his hand yesterday. (Gross) Tanner Glass is not skating and has been given a maintenance day. (Leonard)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:20 pm EST

HOSPO.... St. Louis offered to play in the middle due to injuries, I don't think he has any interest in playing there long term.He's a Hall of Fame winger. Also, it's only been one game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:08 pm EST

Lombardi has an offer from a euro club. Bye. Fast & Kostka on ice today. And I wouldnt be so quick to lump John Moore and JT together. Moore has proven quite a unit more than Miller as far as holding down an NHL job. Again, its one game.but I agree Moore needs to show improvement. St Louis is also a real pain the ass. Columbus will provide a nice chance to see what's what. BTW, rumors Nate Horton might not play again (back). Unconfirmed.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:04 pm EST

Count me in the camp that said Miller deserves a fair chance. Lformer No. 1 pick they've been trying to develop for years. If it's 10 games or 25 or 40, he should get the chance. That said, it irks me when ANY player turns in a totally nondescript game,especially on a night you'd think everyone would be raring to go. Do something, attempt to do something special, or don't even lace up the skates. But, case in point, there are plenty of guys who have so-so games. Rick Nash went long stretches near-invisible last year. Now a few flicks of the wrist and he's on everyone's untouchable list today ( not yours MF lol). Duclair looked more than fine to me. Sharp offensive mind and great hands to match. He settles in with the right linemates he can help this team. Also can't put too much weight on one game. They really got out of sync with the 2nd period penalties.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:55 am EST

TDCHI - Disagree on MILLER..I have seen some physical flashes for him but for the most part nothing that shows me he is TOP 6 right now....eespecially his mental game which, I'm sorry, just ins't there yet....Why should the Rangers rush him when thye have better options? Let him play on the 3rd or 4th line..Hell, better yet, let him play wing where he doesn't have to think as much....He will get there...in time...We jsut don't agree on what we should do with him right now..

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:52 am EST

TD what's hogwash is your blind posts for miller he's a top 6 forward? Lmao when has he ever proven he's top 6? answer he hasn't was it his wingers fault he couldn't win a faceoff? There's always some excuse for him when it comes to you. He sucked last night and unfortunately that has been the norm rather than te exception. Outside of two games he has yet to show he's a top 9 talent and certainly not at center. He's the man in Hartford and he looked great in 2 preseason games playing against ahl talent no argument on him being a stud at the ahl level but it hasn't transferred to the NHL. I can argue that duclairs fall off was due tO being put with miller since duclair shined all preseason but that's bs as much as it was duclairs fault miller sucked.

York18


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:51 am EST

Wow, LOMBARDI gone already? Another one of Hospodamus's great predictions! I colund't have been more wrong.....But, that has never stopped me before.....VIC- As you and others chide people for being too harde on JT MILLER, I think you're being a little hard on St. Louis at center..... He's only been playing the the position a week....give him some time on the defensive positioning....I also don't think he was horrible on FOs unlike somebody that was 0 and 8.......But, most importantly, I like how he worked in the offensive zone with those guys...he is a very smart player...a slick passer...goes to the net ..and despite his size, can win the puck...I have zero problem with him at C unless he just doesn't feel compfrtable.....In fact, once Stepan comes back, it might be a good consideration to go Brass-St.Louis-Step-Moore down the middle until the deadline when you finally deal for that big center..:)

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:30 am EST

Couple things: MILLER'S hockey IQ is zilch? Hogwash. Young kid, great tools, needs GAME experience. He's a top-6 forward and if you out him in a line with a 19-year-old kid that belongs in juniors and a vet still trying to get his feet under him...yeah, the results are evident. Put him on second line center. Give him a couple of good wings. More importantly, get him with the guy who he has chemistry with: MALONE. And the wrong thing to do is jerk him out of the center or even worse, out of the game. Let the kid make mistakes. The ones he made last night weren't nearly as bad as some made by the so-called vets...I do think MALONE and HAYES need to go in, but it should be at the cost of DUCLAIR and FAST...the latter if whom will probably be a injury scratch anyway. Took a shot like that between the pad and glove like he did and the swelling basically made all the tendons in my hand seize up....on KOSTKA - it's his chance to shine. But he's more mobile and a guy who can play the point on the second unit PP. he actually looked ok there after his first abysmal showing...on LOMBARDI - no surprise there. Rangers probably hoped he'd get claimed on waivers an when he didn't, they had to move YOGAN. I will say this: Yogs was a goner either way. He was either going to start in Greenville or get cut. There's too much talent up the middle to justify keeping him in Hartford.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:28 am EST

I like the Kreider- Nash and MSL line. I think they would get better as the season moves along. Maybe step could move to the 3rd line with Malone and Hags. Try miller on the Zucc and brassard line. IDK just thinking.

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:24 am EST

Not a good sign that MCI is not called up. Kostco I think sucks as a player. McI is not the type of player AV likes. Maybe Rangers should look to package McI and Miller. Should be able to get a good center for a package involving those 2. I think Hayes could end up being a better player than Miller by the end of the season. I thought Duke looked good. He will adjust to the speed. Had a good chance in the 3rd had his stick not broke.

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:19 am EST

The lien I was most concerned about last night was the Hags-Brass-Zucc one. They were almost invisible. I don't see Hags as the replacement for Poulliot. I'm assuming that our longer term plan when Step returns is to bump MSL to the Miller line with Hags and send the Duke back to the Juniors. Which puts Malone or possibly Haggerty (or Hayes? or the Duke) as the LW on the Brass line. I could even see Miller ending up as the LW on the Brass line with Hayes (or Lindberg, or whomever) centering the Hags-MSL 3rd line. Hopefully Hags will click on the second line with Brass and Zucc - but I don't it happening (nor Hags as a top 6 player).

Ranger47


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:18 am EST

I posted this yesterday, but I still think it was the height of stupidity to put Hags on with Brass & Zucc just because Brass wanted to try it. Even as a concept, I didn't like that line combo one bit and in reality the line was completely idisjointed. The Duclair-Stemp-Miller line was not a good look either...as most of us had predicted. I don't think Duclair looked bad at all....he had 2 prime scoring chances, one on a nice deflection and one on a shot from the deep slot in which his stick broke. Both of those chances were on the PP, which speaks to the fact that the line at ES was not working well. He knows how to go to the open areas of the ice and set himself up for a pass. I watched him closely last night and he knows what he's doing out there in all 3 zones. Not a good idea for AV to put him out with a still-learning JT Miller and Stemp. He will work better with top 6 talent and that can allow the talent then to be spread around better. Not happy with the fact that other than line #1, our lines seem to be a work in progress.....the fact that you had Hags out there to play for the first time ever with Bras-Zucc made ZERO sense. The Stemp line essentially was the 4th line last night and that shouldn't happen. AV needs to get his sh!t together better in the preseason IMO.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:17 am EST

r47 I'm sure most hope so, but they seem to be not getting what it takes to be in the nhl. that's not just from last night. it needs to click in their heads before they get passed by.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:13 am EST

Don't get all the Miller and J Moore bashing today. Yes, they both had subpar games, but both have a big upside which only playing will help. Give them both 10 games to prove they're able to improve before writing them off. Both could be huge assets if they can use their talents.

Ranger47


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:52 am EST

Disappointed no Mac. Perfect time to slip him in a see what he has and they call up Kostka. He is going to become a whipping boy quickly is my guess. And J Moore annoys me the more I see him. His up ice passes lack touch. He better start hitting people. Not liking this defensive make up at all. We will see. Kostka will probably score a goal next game putting an end to my GM career !

stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:48 am EST

RF4L.... For Lombardi to do that, they would have had to assign him sooner. The team has to first assign him somewhere so he could refuse to report. He can't just say I'm going back to Switzerland.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:48 am EST

Watching a long-haired Ranger absorb a torrent of punches is terribly evocative of Dale Rolfe. Earlier in the game during a scrum along the wall some large Blue was rag-dolling Zucc and I pointed out to my kids that while he was pushing back the whole while, he also wisely never let go of his stick. And I had the same thought, RF - the announcers gushing over what a 'strong fighter' Oshie is was shameful.

LeoS


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:43 am EST

Rhet: Not that his loss is anything huge, but if that's the case, why didn't he leave earlier - that way Yogan would still be in the system. Maybe it's all not so good timing?

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:39 am EST

I'm guessing that Lombardi had a handshake deal with the NYR that if he didn't make the team he would refuse to report to the AHL so they could then mutually agree to terminate his contract. Thereby allowing him to return to Switzerland. Best of luck to him. Hopefully, we use the available contract wisely.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:25 am EST

Never a dull moment in RangerLand. Can't blame Lombardi, though he's going to get abused on the internets. His family was happy there. He'll get paid to play in Switz too. He's sees there's no spot for him here. Good riddance.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:21 am EST

Bye bye Lombardi, we hardly knew ya!

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:18 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/news-lombardi-on-unconditional-waivers-may-go-back-to-switzerland/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:09 am EST

I'd guess Stemp becomes 1st unit point man. Klein moves up with Staal. Kostka with Moore on 3rd pairing. Had to recall offensive-minded guy, couldn't be MCI. We'll, it could have but they didn't.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:08 am EST

RR: Yes, the MSL line was good in the offensive end but it was mostly KREIDER and NASH until that last goal. MSL was horrible on draws and was out of position in the defensive end. He struggled with the responsibilities of the Center position. MSL does not belong at Center.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:04 am EST

koska probably will be in for boyle since he's a righty. j moore will probably open the door for hunwick .....big mac will have to learn to play the way veenyo wants ......or he'll stay in Hartford until they decide to trade him.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:53 am EST

First game out of the gate like that, you're lookin for answers in the affirmative. Got a big one in Stempniak I thought. That's the guy I remember from Calgary, just a fast, smart two-way player. He'll help a lot. So will Boyle when he returns. That CK-MSL-Nash line worked. Not just 3 goals, they had several other good chances.St Louis rang the post on the PP too. That'd be something', if Step has nowhere to play lol. They hate McIlrath LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:45 am EST

Alain Vigneault said on MSG last night that Jesper Fast’s hand was sore from blocking a shot. 1:31 into the second period, Fast blocked a shot from Ian Cole and went to the bench to be examined by Jim Ramsay before they both went to the Rangers locker room. Fast missed about 10 minutes of game play before returning at 9:59 of the second period. Fast played over 5 minutes after returning including 4:32 over 7 shifts in the third period.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:37 am EST

Kostka recalled. Geesh....

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:31 am EST

Or, perhaps, you dress Hayes and move Miller to his wing, leaving Malone for the Brass/MZA line. That means, however, 2 have to sit and I sure don't like the idea of having a 19 year old junior eligible player press-boxed for game 2. Fast is likely one candidate to sit, especially if he's labouring due to that blocked shot. It's only logical if you add Malone and Hayes 2 from Miller/Duclair/Fast will sit.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:29 am EST

I agree Miller shouldn't be bumped that quickly, especially seeing as options 2 and 3 for the center ice position aren't exactly overwhelming. Put Malone on his wing (although I like the idea of a Brassard/MZA/Malone line). Would Miller be more effective with the forechecking of Hagelin alongside him?

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:28 am EST

RHET: To answer your post from last night regarding HANK and MOORE on that first goal. Was it a soft rebound? Yep, it was. BUT, HANK was outstanding last night. He isn't going to have perfect rebound control on everything. That is why it is the job of the D to tie up guys and pounce on loose pucks. The Blues were attacking 3 on 4 on that rush. The Rangers had numbers on their side and the Blues did the only thing they could besides turn the puck over and that was throw it at the net or in the corner. MOORE's job there is to make sure that the only guy with a chance to do any damage on that play doesn't. He failed miserably by not even making and attempt to pick up the guy until after he saw the rebound. It was a lazy play from a guy that seemed more interested in his tooth last night then on the game. He had taken a hit/elbow in the mouth earlier in the game and every time you saw him on the bench the only thing he seemed to care about was his tooth. Didn't see interested in the game. I'd let the bad play go and put the onus on HANK but at least HANK had an outstanding night outside of one weak rebound. What did J MOORE contribute?

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:21 am EST

Leave Miller where he is. 3rd line center. The kid had a 19yr old and a career 4th liner on his wings against a stacked bunch of fwds of the Blues. We all had our reservations about that line as it was. If we could see then AV needs to make the right adjustment.

stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:17 am EST

On the game itself. The Rangers looked great in the first period. Yes, the Blues pushed back but I thought the Rangers got sloppy and careless. That opened the door for the Blues to get some turnovers and eventually PPs. That is where the game turned. The Blues started taking the body once they were back in the game and the Rangers didn't respond well. I love this team's speed but the lack of size and snarl becomes evident quickly when the other team wants to muddy the game down. I love MZA but the last think I ever want to see is him drop the gloves. He cannot be the physical presence and enforcer for this line. That is a recipe for disaster. I didn't like the BRASSARD line at all last night. This is going to be a work in progress but HAGS doesn't fit in with those two. MALONE or MILLER are the only reasonable options on that line at this point as they have the ability to add what the team lost when POULIOT left. KREIDER is a beast. He was the rangers best player last night. Lost in all of the talk about his speed and scoring is that he is a tremendous passer. We saw that last year and last night he looked terrific. NASH played a solid two-way game and looked much more confident to me. It is nice to see him bury those two grade A scoring chances. Last year he would have put the puck weakly wide of the net or into the stomach of the goaltender. The one thing I was most disappointed in last night was the amount of turnovers at the offensive blue line. This team needs to be much smarter then that and really it was the veterans who were the worst offenders. All that aside it was a great win on the road against a very good team in a tough building. HANK was outstanding and that is a very good sign this early in the season.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:13 am EST

Vic....Agreed on Malone....Stemp to the fourth makes that line better and he looks great killing penalties....Miller need to be given some time...He can't be benched every time he has a bad game....Brass & Zucc didn't look that great last night either....

PJ


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:12 am EST

What was our litle Range Hobi t thinkig of before he dropped the gloves. ???????

rangerlou


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:04 am EST

Typo in the first sentence. Ignore the first reference to STEMPNIAK.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:04 am EST

I'm sticking by what I posted last night. MALONE in for FAST with STEMP with MALONE going to the wing with BRASSARD and MZA and should stay there every night until further notice. STEMPNIAK to the 4th line in FAST's spot and HAYES (if healthy) in for MILLER. If MILLER is moved out of the Center spot then it has to be HAYES (or MUELLER/LINDBERG) that takes his place at this point. If MILLER moves to the wing then somebody else comes out of the lineup. At this point the only reasonable person is DUCLAIR. That would put HAYES in the middle of HAGS and MILLER. When STEPAN comes back that would mean having to decide between MILLER and STEMPNIAK for the 4th line. STEPAN would slide back inbetween KREIDER and NASH. MSL would move to the 3rd line with HAYES and HAGS. Of course, if DUCLAIR really lights it up and stays that changes things.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:54 am EST

with 2 games in 2 nights, veenyo needs to put fresh guys in for 1 of them at least. hayes and Malone need to be put in for that, and kostka needs to be recalled today......j moore can sit one out , along with duke éclair.......and fast needs to heal...the prince should get one too......probably tomorrow's away game.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:39 am EST

York- Good points. I agree with you on Miller as per today. Maybe I am a bit too optimistic, but I still hope that he will get a little bit of more laid back thinking apporch for a centericemen and don't force things all the time. Because so much is there in his game to start with, and he is still pretty young. To put it like this, when I saw Miller when he was 18 y/o I thought that all the fundamentals were there for a 18 y/o, I had no worries about his 2-way game, he was real far from a Nik Zherdev II type. But I questioned his top end ability, would he become a solid top 9 forward or did he have potential to become a good top 6? You know. Know its like he has pushed his top end abilities, but still hasn't straightened out his 2-way game for a center. And should that really be impossible for him to do? Is it all "IQ" or is some of it attributeable to the fact that he seems to be a kid in a great deal of hurry to establish himself (for good and bad)?

Ola


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:16 am EST

York: I concur Girardi had a good physical game. I liked Staal's play too.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 6:35 am EST

Great win love how most said we didn't have a chance I don't care what anyone says we were never behind in this game the blues played catch up hockey and lost. People say the blues are a power house etc. Hitchcock paid the rangers the ultimate respect by saying he wanted his team to play a skating and uptempo style the ranges do. Hitch does not hand out compliments which shows the respect the rangers are given. Now the game Nash best game in a long time. Said he will net 45-50 this year. Miller I said it before I'll say it again not a top line center he doesn't have the hockey IQ for it. The game is too fast at this level he would be better served at wing. He didn't even win a faceoff last night. The kid oozes talent and has size but that's not enough at this level and when you aren't factoring in on the scoreboard hit something don't skate around even Nash got that part last year in the POs. Duclair is a great feel good story but he's playing real NHL hockey now and he looked like he needs work and to put on some muscle and strength I'd send him back to jrs after the 9 games let him get a taste and learn what he needs to do to be n NHL regular. I think haggerty would be better suited. Boyle hurt freak accident not an age related issue at all didn't look bad in his short time playing. JMoore is not getting better sure he can skate but what is he? He's not an offensive dman he's not a stay at home he's got nothing other than smooth skater. Fast had a quiet game thing is he always does even when he scores he's just unassuming in his game. Malone needs to play and if miller has another repeat of last night so does Hayes. I'd sit duc for Malone and miller for Hayes only if miller has a repeat of last night. Zucc fighting lol the guy is fearless but someone like glass should have sent the message you don't go after zucc period. Kreider man he's a beast he will net 25-30 this year. Girardi played very physical and I liked it. Glass did what I expected but should have fought. I like this team and let the media sleep on the rangers hopefully the rest of the league will too doubtful since the blues didn't.

York18


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:51 am EST

"Anthony Duclair, who made his NHL debut at the age of 19, had a couple of impressive shifts in the first period but was ineffective through the second and third periods, finishing with 11:12 of ice time. The winger did not get on for the final 7:38"

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:22 am EST

Nice to see BAZOOKERELLA get in a fight to wake up his team, but he needs to have some ammunition and learn how to protect himself.... Nyr should hire a hockey fight instructor .... Maybe puriton , he can teach the turtle position....it's better than the punching bag stand ....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:27 am EST

Kostka, former captain at Amherst College, lead the team with 7 PPGs his senior year. Ladies and gentlemen, introducing your new PPQB...

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:22 am EST

Well, I hope the rest of my predictions come true, not just the negative one...anyway, I foresee the Rangers promoting KOSTKA over McILRATH right now, even though I think they should give Mac the nod...KLEIN jumps up with STAAL...third pairing's ice diminishes...And if I'm not mistaken, Kostka doesn't need to go through waivers a second time...they just shuffle some paperwork...he's more AV's speed and I just don't see him reversing so quickly on Mac...who knows though? This would be a great time for Mac to test his mettle.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:46 am EST

Glass with 6 hits in 14:11 tonight

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:14 am EST

Glad my prediction skills are still working in reverse! Nice gritty win` To bad about Boyle but that's not our last injury this season always part of the good fortune needed to win a CUP. Will be helpful if Hayes can get back for Columbus. LGR!

MelvilleFred


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:50 am EST

Nice to see Rick Nash pick it up where he left it last season, good intensity and hard work from him. I think MSL was able to open things up in a way Stepan couldn't and that showed. Makes you wonder what AV will do when. Stepan returns?

Ola


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:40 am EST

KIS - I hear ya about the compettion at W and lack of bodies at C but I just don't like the way MILLER plays at C.....But it would be so much easier for the Rangers if he could succeed consistently at C.....I just find him more effective when he plays a simple game flying down the ice and banging..I would put him with MOORE and GLASS..But it dpepletes center but is that worse then plaing an ineffecti ve player???....I don't know....Maybe Make do with Hayes,, MUeller, LIndberger or even LOmbardi at the open C spot untiil Stepan comes back....of course, this would mean moving St. Louis off only happens with a trade!

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:19 am EST

good thing Rangers have depth this year. cant believe boyle breaks hand. that is a concern for ranger success, injuries. Hospo like your comment about miller on the wing but who is he gonna beat out.I think the kid needs to be the center part of a package for a trade for a center. TD like the kid a lot but I just dont know. I dont think he is at a level for him to be a center on a SC winning team. He might achieve that level but not this year. with Boyle out does big Mc come up. I would also rather see hunwick in the line up instead of Moore.

KIS


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:53 pm EST

Why didn't Girardi have an "A" on his sweater?

Higgy21


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:29 pm EST

Jets should take better care of our future property..... Per Bob McKenzie ..... No official word yet from WPG on Evander Kane's apparent knee injury but there is considerable concern on degree of severity.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:24 pm EST

John Moore is bad defensively and has poor instincts in the offensive zone....Was weak on first Blues goal and had a horrible turnover on a rush where he had a clear shot at the net....Would love to see Hunwick with Mac as a third pair....Klein will be moved up with Staal....AV said he doesn't know what was wring with JT on faceoffs as he had been doing well....He better get going or he will be replaced soon....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:22 pm EST

Injury #2 dan Boyle out 4-6 weeks broken hand ...

stevielegs


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:20 pm EST

Both of Nash's goals from high slot, he needs to make that his office. Said it all summer. Was going to write him a letter LOL. Straight away high, not from the side. If he does that guys will charge at him & and he'll make them miss. And Kreider? HA! Unless teams forbid a dman from crossing their own blue line, youre never stopping him.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:19 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/09/rick-nashs-two-goals-propel-rangers-past-blues-in-opener/

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:06 pm EST

JMO, but I don't really want to see my number 7 or number 8 defenseman play everyday for the next 1-2 months(and definitely not either of these 2 bozos). I would much rather the team bring up a player that they think is close to being NHL ready.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:58 pm EST

VIC..... Hank gave up an easy rebound that he should've had but let's still blame John Moore for the goal. Makes sense to me.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:50 pm EST

MF: I think AV will want two shut-down defensive pairs that he can count on. That is why I think KLEIN will get moved up to play with STAAL. I also think HUNWICK's skating ability and speed would help to offset DM's lact of speed. Yes, J MOORE is a great skater as well but HUNWICK can't be any worse then MOORE defensively. J MOORE was the guilty party on the first Blues goal. He was so soft on that play. He just let his SCHWARTZ go on that play with no attempt to tie him up. HOSPO: I don't know on MILLER. He looked like he was afraid to make a mistake tonight. He played pretty tentatively which is unlike what we saw from him in preseason. MILLER has looked his best to me when he plays Center. He just looks lost on the wing. But, if he is going to play Center he needs to play better then he did tonight. That is why I think HAYES gets a shot. They need to push each other and may the better player win.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:45 pm EST

Lookit, one game for rooks & vets alike do no grand conclusions, but thus is theproblem I have with JT Miller far more often than not Iin his NHL careervthus far; WTF is he? Did he dress? Forget no points. Did he crack anybody? Draw a penalty with relentless hard work?:make a stellar defensive play? Would be surprised AV sends an early message and dresses Hayes. Theyre just awaiting clearance from docs. Dom Moore coughed one up bad on 2-2 goal. He's inside the blue line, no play, dump. Youre not Jean Beliveau.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:42 pm EST

BTW, I thought STEMP had a real good game but I don't understand why AV is using him on the PP point. I would put STEMP with MOORE and GLASS on the 4th line. On DUCLAIR, I'm not making any final judgements because after all, it was his first real NHL game....and it was on the road against one of the biggest, toughest and best teams in the league. That he didn't shine isn't a knock against him. He did some nice things tonight but he was pushed around a bit and made some poor decisions. I would have to agree that the Rangers will need to see more then this from him otherwise he should go back to Juniors.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:42 pm EST

VIC - I honestly think they should use MILLER on the Wing and just let him play a crashing physical game....Kid is fast, strong, and can pounce on mistakes....Too much going on at the center spot for him...JMWO..

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:39 pm EST

Vic: interesting call on bringing Hunwick up to play with McIlwrath & bench JMoore.... Another possibility would have Hunwick playing the Right side on Staals line.

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:39 pm EST

RF4L - Wasn't really criticizing MILLER's play just noting that it doesn't take miuch for AV not to use him much, even in the first game of the season...OTOH, Moore does kill a lot of penalties......MILLER didn't play all that much in the 3rd, was he really 0-8 in the FO circle? We can't just have Dom Moore doing a good job there this season...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:36 pm EST

I'll comment on the game tomorrow. I need some sleep. But, I did want to comment on where I think the Rangers should go from here with the roster. I too was thinking DM needed to be brought up during the game. The Blues were physically man handling the Rangers for most of the last two periods. That was before the BOYLE injury. After the injury I still think DM should be up and in the lineup but I would also swap out MOORE for HUNWICK for the next game. Move KLEIN up to play with STAAL and pair DM with HUNWICK against Columbus. My guess is that FAST is out. He played well prior to getting hurt but wasn't nearly as effective after that and was one of the guilty parties on the second goal with a lazy backcheck. If healthy I think MALONE is in the lineup and on the wing with MZA and BRASSARD. I would also not be surprised to see HAYES in for MILLER. We should know tomorrow what they plan to do for Saturday.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:34 pm EST

Hospo: Miller had his moments, but his passing was off - some good ones but lots to nowhere. In his defense, other than the first line, that description fits almost every forward tonight. And agreed on the consensus on Fast - yet another game I've seen him in where he does nothing to impress me. Duclair was invisible, too.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:29 pm EST

Turned the game on late..was wondering what STEMP was doing on the PP point? Indeed blows about BOYLE..Not perfect, but good win against a good team on the road..What more can you ask for??......Yeah, the Blues are a a bit stronger/tougher but the Rangers don't back down..If wqe were in the West, injuries would defiantly be a biiger problem.....Still, we need to play as much size as possible, and that means Malone...............Love the start to my "NASH is gonna have a huge year" bus but looks like my 35 goals is going to be a tad light..That line looked real good....Has Kid K learned how to finish? St. Louis is a freaking battler....gonna have a huge year also......AS I wondered this afternoon, MOORE and GLASS got quite a bit of ice time....They will be key players for AV this year......Not so sure JT MILLER will be and if that's how DUCLAIR will get used, JUniors will be in his future,,,,,,FAST has NEVER done anything for me,,still doesn't ..Didn't lie his backchecking on the Blues 2nd goal either....Get MALONE in the lineup...Liked STEMP also....,offers a little bit of everything.,,,One bad goal from Hank but he also made some beauties...seems to be his calling card early in the season..

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:27 pm EST

Let the rollercoaster ride begin... different look with Boyle in, so of course now he's out.... great pass by St Louis on the winner, the kind that gets forgotten when the big guns are firing.. damn we're quick on the puck in all zones.. saw thd commitment to D still, critically important if sloppy at times. Zuc is an animal haha. But Im nauseous about Boyle. 1st game? Damn. Eould be amazed if Fast doesnt have a hairline fracture at least. Thats why you dont block shots wildly.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:26 pm EST

Mac with Stall. Malone replaces Hags on Brass Zucc line.

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:23 pm EST

Yeah, I thin they have to bring up the Undertaker. It's early - being the snarl. I honestly think that if he is given the chance he will adapt. He was so much closer this year in preseason.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:20 pm EST

Alright, was it TD or RR who predicted Boyle's injury?

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:20 pm EST

The terrible thing about Boyle's injury is that we lose a PPQB and he has not had any time to develop chemistry with anyone. Good times. BTW, I would still bring up Conor Allen over McIlrath.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:20 pm EST

I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being one of the best games I see all season. I also wouldn't be surprised to see those two teams in the SCF.

Messier11


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:19 pm EST

mf: Good questions and why McI may not be recalled.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:19 pm EST

Mr: but I get so ex-ex-ex-cited! ;-)

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:18 pm EST

so then, do you pair McIlrath with Staal on the 3rd pair & have Klein & Moore move up to 2nd pair, or, trust J.Moore with Big Mac on the 3rd?

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:17 pm EST

Bring up Big Mac now while it's early in the year. I'm sorry to all the Fast fans but he is very pedestrian in just about every game I see him in. Bugsy time.

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:14 pm EST

IMO, slap in the face for McI if Kostka is recalled......

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:14 pm EST

Z, stop stuttering.......

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:13 pm EST

Our top 2 RHS D'men in the system: McIlwrath & Kostka

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:13 pm EST

Or Kostka?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:13 pm EST

So Boyle gone....does McI get recalled???

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Sorry folks... wtf? That was a weird glitch.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:10 pm EST

BTW, Philly lost 6 - 4 to NJ tonight, giving them an 0 and 2 start. Berube's job will be on the line in another week at this rate!! LOL

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:09 pm EST

“@PLeonardNYDN: Vigneault just says Dan Boyle broke his hand and is out four to six weeks”

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:04 pm EST

LOL! F'in Chico is the worst, but Panger and his brown-tongue are getting pretty close. Seriously... I've seen less unrealistic enthusiasm from a porno. ;-)

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:02 pm EST

Ironic that the play where Girardi hurt Statsny should have been blown dead if they called the headshot to Zucc a penalty right before. Did not like the liberties taken on the rangers tonight with little push back. Needs to be addressed sooner than later. Malone will help when he can get back.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:02 pm EST

Trade: Yeah man and Nash is gonna scored 164 goals, then 32 more in the POs!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:01 pm EST

... ... ... Just hope to think this team is legit - nobody is drinking the Kool-aid - just happy to see us gut out a game that might have been a hard one to win... more impressive to me to think we overcame and imposed a little bit of will. I actually think this team has the potential to be better than last year - at least faster and harder to handle.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:01 pm EST

Z: Yeah, his gooing over the Oshie/MZA fight was downright embarrassing and then when the Blues tied it up in the 3rd, he sounded beyond gleeful. Kinda reminded me of Chico Reesch, minus the Uncle Daddy adoration.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:59 pm EST

We are gonna go 82-0. Then sweep the playoffs/Cup with a 16-0 record.

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:57 pm EST

RF4L: Seriously though- how much of a homer do you have to be? I would honestly think that people might respect a legit even view on the game, but NOOOOOoooo! He might as well be over there by the bench giving the Blue's players a handy. For the love of Mike! Call it like it is, not how you spin it! It's OK... the fans of this game are intelligent hockey people. Get some mouthwash and stop being such a stooge!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:57 pm EST

Now wondering how bad Boyle's hand is. Did not like the lines like everyone else. The Rangers were guilty of bad turn overs. Making too soft plays to clear their zone, etc. they better play better game for Columbus. At least the top line capitalized on their chances.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:57 pm EST

Malone and Hayes were both listed as day-to-day, but I think one or both may be in tomorrow night. Zucc's line really needs a physical player on it, If nothing, else than to give Zucc some backup when players try to take liberties.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:55 pm EST

😄😃😀😊😊😋😎

hipcheck


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:55 pm EST

I just turned on the Arizona game....lol

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:54 pm EST

RF...Agree on Stempniak.......Sit Fast to get Malone in......Stemp on the fourth line would be fine.....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:54 pm EST

Rhet: Don't disagree but like I said, game breakers the Blues don't have. Nor do they have a goalie like the King. Elliot is a journeyman goalie and I suspect it won't be long before the kid there (can't recall his name) is getting the bulk of the games. I'm not hanging the loss on him solely, but when you're the number 1 goalie, you gotta make the big save when it's needed. Anyways, the Rangers skill players made the biggest difference tonight IMO.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:53 pm EST

Yea Rangers,

WIOSA


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:52 pm EST

Also, when was the last time we won the opening game of the season?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:52 pm EST

Team of Destiny? Just when the puck was not bouncing their way, and they looked like the same 'Ol Rangers not putting the game away with that wimpy PP, the puck takes that sweet bounce off the glass right to St Louis to Nash. game!

NYStranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:51 pm EST

The Blues are singing the blues tonight. F them and that shitty crime ridden city.

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:51 pm EST

Honestly, couldn't ask for too much more on opening night in a West contender's barn. Nash-Krieder-St. Louis look preety good together. Yeah, don't like Hags with Zugg-Brass at all. They need a big body to cause interference. I honestly think Malone in that spot would be good for the time being. He needs to get in the game. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:51 pm EST

I thought, other than the first line, the best Ranger forward was Stempniak. Hagelin was noticeable, as he usually is due his speed, but made a few dumb plays. The rest were non-descript. I say put Malone with Brassard and MZA. Who do you sit tho?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:50 pm EST

RF4L.... With all the new players we have on this team and after losing Stepan, The Blues had no business losing to us.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:49 pm EST

I know he's a lefty, but I'd recall Conor Allen before anyone else.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:48 pm EST

Nash, when he's on and Kreider - 2 players the Blues, who are very deep team, lack. That, in the end, was the difference in this game IMO.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:47 pm EST

If Dan Boyle is out who takes his place?......Call up Mac?.......

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:46 pm EST

They found a way to win this game against a good team that outplayed them for the last 2 periods. The lines need a lot of work. Don't like Brass-Zucc-Hags, don't like Stemp-Miller-Duke. Liked Duke on the PP...he had a primo chance in the 3rd from the high slot and broke his stick....he looks like a keeper to me.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:46 pm EST

Nice opening road win. That's about as physical a first game as I can remember

RDW


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:46 pm EST

Z: Yeah, that's almost as sweet as the victory itself.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:45 pm EST

Nice win against a good team..... A tough place for us to win for years......

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:45 pm EST

Wow...what a top line! Nash on pace for a 164 goal season!!!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:44 pm EST

BWAHAHA! How does it taste Panger?

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:44 pm EST

I'll take 2, please.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:42 pm EST

Norris!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:41 pm EST

What a play by Mcdonagh

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:40 pm EST

Whoever suggested trading Nash? He's a keeper...

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:40 pm EST

We have a top line center ! Hahahahaha

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

Fuckin' Nash!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

take that Panger , go blow Schwartz !!!

caperanger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

That line looks very good! NASH!!!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

Boom!!!! No quit!

Shaggy


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

F'in RICK NASH!!!!!!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

Nasher!!!!!!

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

This line. THIS LINE.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

NASSSSHHHHHTTTTTYY

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:38 pm EST

Wow...Meant to say sick of John Moore's lousy play....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:38 pm EST

Fast does nothing for me....Need Malone in there and put Stepniak on fourth line....I like his game...Shk of his lousy playould be a short leash on John Moore also....Sick of his lousy play....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:37 pm EST

Darren Pang , the little prick , I am so tired of listening to him gush about the Blues

caperanger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:37 pm EST

All right, hunker down and get at least a point.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:35 pm EST

Useless stat Rhet; what game are you watching?!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:33 pm EST

Well, they can sure call tripping involving Zucc ONE way...

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:33 pm EST

Then they are soft hits Rhet. This period has been all St Louis, including pummelling hits.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:32 pm EST

The Rangers are outhitting the St. Louis 20-14.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:32 pm EST

Anybody notice Dan Boyle left the game w hand injury??

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:31 pm EST

Rangers D doing too much poke checking tonight....they need to take the body more. They backed up way too much on that 2nd goal

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:31 pm EST

RF.., spot on!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:30 pm EST

Team is just too soft. Getting hammered.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:30 pm EST

How did stastny go from his death bed limping off the ice to flying in the third?

nyfans


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:30 pm EST

Rangers, since late in the 1st, have looked like shit IMO. No sustained offense, missed passes and being outhit all over the ice. Sure hope Ryan Malone is dressed next game. And can we call up McI please?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:27 pm EST

Terrible job by Moore getting the puck stolen and then Girardi does his best turn-style impression

RDW


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:27 pm EST

Did that go in off of Girardi? It looked like Hank never saw it.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:27 pm EST

terrible turnover by MOORE and than even worst backcheck by FAST... WTF kid, where is the hustle??? Lazy play.. unacceptable

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:26 pm EST

Darren Pang's 2 inch penis is fully erect....

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:24 pm EST

Nice to see the PP still sucks.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:23 pm EST

And I love the King, but geesh, please don't handle the puck. You suck at it.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:23 pm EST

Tool blues announcers gushing over Oshit beating up an infant!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:22 pm EST

Have the Rangers won a FO tonight??

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:21 pm EST

Sweet goal by Kri-by! LGR!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:21 pm EST

Boys gotta move the legs. Not a good sit back and play D team. What a winger we have in Kreids.!

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

Looks like Kreider added a little "stutter" before his typical breakaway shot IMO

RDW


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

A lot of teams are gonna try to rough up this fast Rangers team. It must suck playing a team when you have to be on your jets at all times or you will get beaten with a turn over or a great pass like the one we just saw that sprung Kreider.

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

St Louis is pounding on the NYRs... not sure the Rangers can withstand 80 games of abuse.. teams know they have little protection in in the lineup...

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

McI needs to be on this team. He just does.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:18 pm EST

Great play by Staal to free up Kreider... sign him NOW

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:18 pm EST

I thought Krei was gonna give the goalie the "Krei by"......thats when he slides into the goalie and putting him out for the season

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

4 months too late, Chris.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

The Kreider!!! As Carpiniello says!!

jratelle19


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

Staal pulls a Girardi! Big Mac NOW!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

& no goalie interference!

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

yeahBABYYYYYKREIIIIDERRRRRR

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

Kreiiiiiiiii baby

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:16 pm EST

"Man, we're getting pummeled this period. Where's the little guy to start a fight?"

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:16 pm EST

Zucc took 100 shots but got the best shot in that tilt with Oshie.....Zucc wasn't even breathing hard after that fight or show indication that he was punched

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:10 pm EST

2 hand-aways in 5 seconds by Boyle. What an adventure he can be in his own end.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:08 pm EST

Hank should've had that.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:08 pm EST

And a lousy 3rd period start....

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:07 pm EST

Agreed the Rangers played a very uninspiring period, save for a few stretches. Lots of misses passes. What's with Hagelin suddenly trying to be a puck-handling wizard? And notice 2/3's the way thru the period Staal and Klein had a couple of shifts together?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:07 pm EST

JFC..... Sloppy and flat yes, but undisciplined is a little bit strong. It's the first game of the season and there are a lot of new faces on this team. These things will happen when we play from behind until we develop that chemistry. It's not like the Kings where they brought back 21 or 23 players. It's early and to be expected. JMO.... Hank has been amazing tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:04 pm EST

Rhet: Yeah and the main culprit is that little nob Darren Pang. He's annoying as hell and yes, a colour guy shouldn't be quiet, but he needs to learn that someone in that role can actually talk too much. I mean, geesh.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:48 pm EST

The King has been very sharp

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:48 pm EST

Undisciplined, sloppy,flat period

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:48 pm EST

The Blues announcers get excited over every little thing their players do. It's annoying.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:44 pm EST

JFC.... I don't want to jinx the guy but I was thinking the same thing.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:43 pm EST

Living on the PK is not good. Lucky Girardi didn't get a major.

Shaggy


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:32 pm EST

From preseason right through these 2 periods...the Duke just looks like an NHL player. They put him on the PP and he fits right in....nice pass, nice deflection. He just looks like an NHLer.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:31 pm EST

Really impressed with the Rangers skating up & down the line-up against one of the better teams in the league. Yeah baby...

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:26 pm EST

Weak.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:21 pm EST

The Rangers haven't missed a beat on the PK.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:19 pm EST

Even NASH looks quick....excellent forechecking on the PK

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:17 pm EST

Must say I don't get why Dan Boyle is killing penalties. Is that in his contract??

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:17 pm EST

The Blues are a bunch of bitches

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:17 pm EST

Man, Fast had a HUGE, raised egg on his forearm.....that does not look good. Rangers starting 2nd period FLAT.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:16 pm EST

Look at Backes acting all indignant because someone (Girardi) did to him what he does all the time to others. Suckhole. He belongs on the Bruins with that petulant attitude.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:13 pm EST

St. Louis is really taking it to the Rangers this period.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:58 pm EST

Stamp had a good period. McD looks amazing....

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:56 pm EST

I love the way that our quickness allows us to get into the opposing players' faces....whether it be hard on the forecheck or simply chasing the puck carrier and not letting them breathe.....or catching them from behind, like Kreider did. Duclair looked amazingly comfortable handling the puck, back checking and making some nice passes. We are gonna be the Kings of home run pass breakaways this season....we look for those passes on a regular basis and with our speed, we're gonna do damage on those passes.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:47 pm EST

Well Pa. I see u are in mid season nasty form. U are such an ass and so miserable ur wife probably takes a pain killer just by having to wake up next to u in the morning

KIS


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:45 pm EST

Assholes like Steve Ott are another reason why I will love it if/when McI makes the team. I hate that guy and would be quite pleased if someone concussed him out of the league.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:27 pm EST

Rhet. Agree. Let Krieds take the draw for MSL .

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:27 pm EST

Wow we look fast - faster than last year. This is going to be a great seasons. The boys get what AV wants them to do and this team almost looks tailor-made for it. Funny, but the slowest forwards on our team (Boyle and Richards) are gone - and replaced by guys who can skate. We are going to overwhelm many a team with team speed. LGR!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:26 pm EST

JT Miller needs to throw some bodies around.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:25 pm EST

Brandon Halverson update: Played his 5th consecutive game for the SSM Greyhounds last night (team's backup yet to get a minute of regular season play) and stopped 15 of 16 shots to go 5 and 0 and lower his meagre stats to 2.0 GGA and 935 save %. SSM, BTW, rated as the 3rd best CHL team (prior to last night's game). What a start!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:24 pm EST

Where ST. Louis will have his problems at center in on the face offs.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:21 pm EST

We are QUICK!! Great play by Kreider, great finish by Nash!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:21 pm EST

Daddy to be big nash potatoes

stevielegs


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:21 pm EST

NASHER! SIGN OF THINGS TO COME? LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:20 pm EST

RICK NASH!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:18 pm EST

mf: Sather isn't on top of my favourites list. He's no longer languishing at the bottom of the opposite, however. That said, it won't take much for him to drop like a stone....

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:15 pm EST

E-L-L-I-O-T.......... E.T.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:14 pm EST

What I like about Duclair is that he back checks like it's instinct and lifts other guys sticks off the puck when playing D. If he continues playing good D and scores every now and then, IMO, the Rangers will keep him past the 10 games. Nash with the first goal from Marty .....NN.... I like your predictions :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:59 pm EST

I do have one prediction for the season. HAGS will score the first goal for the team this season. LGR!!!!!

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:56 pm EST

Here we go! Happy New Season, everyone!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:48 pm EST

Ok. After a good happy hour cocktail my negative feelings for tonight's game has turned to optimism. The advantage in net has me hopeful for this one. But I'm hoping the Duke is just one of those players who can score no matter where he is or who he plays with. He definitely gives this team a dynamic it has been missing. Though disappointed no Bugsy. I feel AV knows it's a long season and now is the time to find out what he's got rather than push Malone if not 100%. He will be there in the end for us I believe. Looking forward to the performances of our youngsters. LGR !

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:47 pm EST

Let's Go Rangers! My mom will be at the game tonight. She is thrilled that she doesn't have to see Biron in net this year.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:32 pm EST

I cant tell ... are people toying with the python.... on opening night?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:10 pm EST

Rabbit.., that is a very exclusive Club to be a part of. Gotta earn the stripes before you can get the keys to the washroom.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:06 pm EST

KIS.., I see you're the f@#%@ prognosticator again. What a tool! While you're at it; tell me how this ebola thing is gonna work out! Oh, and save the weak sauce for some of the "rocket scientists" on board here.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:59 pm EST

Wabbit; The CJAC would be the "Clueless Jack Ass Club," sorry, you're over qualified to pledge! ;-)

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:29 pm EST

Chris Pronger working for player safety? Gimme a break. And Kristo tweeting about Forrest Gump video games? Starting to see why the early cut. Im only checking tweets so I can find out the @! $#ing lineup!!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:04 pm EST

MF, wth is the CJAC? You watching the Ukranian broadcast? Answer me ya bastid!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:47 pm EST

Those lines legit? Cause itd be an improvement. No need for Stemp & Fast. Not at the expense of Bugsy. Ok, now Im ready. Break their legs!!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:44 pm EST

CARP says Malone is scratched, along with Hunwick and Hayes.

Bob


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:43 pm EST

Tonights Line Combo's from the CJAC: Malone / Miller / Nash... Hagelin / Brassard / MZA .... Kreider / MSL / Duclair ..... Glass / Moore / Stempniak ......

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:24 pm EST

Like otherwise you like Sather, right ? :-) .... Mazel Tov on the center ice package. ;-)

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:57 pm EST

:->)

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:50 pm EST

MF - Why the hell do you think I like Lombardi! Sounds Italian!

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:45 pm EST

Just ordered NHL center ice so I can watch the Rangers. They'd better not disappoint/underachieve - don't wanna spend that money (nearly $200) only to be clicking to another station in frustration. I'll really loath Sather if that's the case!!!!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:42 pm EST

It's been awhile..but here are my predictions...RANGERS will not go 82-0; Lundqvist will not have a 0.00 gaa or 1.000 Save percentage, which I know will upset a few on this wall :)

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:31 pm EST

Defacto 3rd line? Everything's Italian by you, mama mia!

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:14 pm EST

RF4L - Can't say I'm at all concerned..If they win, they win, they lose, they lose...the key is to get this team settled down,and.Either way, they should learn things bout some of the newer players and some of the older players in new positions (St. Louis) that will lead to some stability..Of course, a win would be better!!!

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:13 pm EST

It's all about NASH & the Power Play this year. If he steps up, & the PP is Top 10, the sky is the limit. Really rooting super hard for DUCLAIR, MCDONAGH & KREIDER. Dreaming of the CUP, but would be thrilled & very satisfied with another final 4 appearance.... in reality, we'll probably get bounced in the 2nd round. -- ((("LET'S-GO-RANGERS")))!!!!

hipcheck


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:43 pm EST

I am concerned about tonight's game because the Blues are a formidable foe, especially because it's not late in the season or the POs (where they tend to underachieve), Hitchcock will have his team prepared (as usual), and I don't get the feeling AV has sorted out his lines yet, due to no BR or Stepan.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:36 pm EST

Be curios to see tonight whether the Blues just go straight up against the Rangers or, with the line change advantage, go with Backes and Oshi agasint the likes of Miller-Duclair,,,For that matter, i'm also curios to see how much ice time the Moore-Glass line gets compared to Miller's line.. as they may just be the defacto 3rd line agasint a team like the Blues....Either way, should be interesting...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:27 pm EST

I'd tend to agree with Fred, feels like a 4-1, 5-2 type night. EXCEPT, that's where a newfangled PP can make a difference. While that game is still 2-0, 2-1, you have a chance to climb back in if you get one. AND you get the Big Mo. Then if its a 1-goal game, the teams clamp down again, anything can happen - and - we've got some serious game-breakers on this team now. But the power play has to be there, has to come through some of the time. We didn't maximize our talent last year because the PP was so putrid. Same thing works in reverse, a 2-0 lead and you can just about put the game away if you add one with the man-advantage. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:20 pm EST

RF4L....good point. I feel the same way coming out of camp which is that Talbot has shown himself to be a capable backup and no more than that. Looked very shaky.

MelvilleFred


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:18 pm EST

Blues 4 Rangers 1........MSL at Center will be a disaster.

MelvilleFred


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:18 pm EST

The big unknown for me is will Dan Boyle actually have an impact our power play? Feels like forever since we've had a good one. And if so will it be enough to offset his regular defense? (side note: hope he's not on our PK like he was in preseason). Let's Go Rangers!

LeoS


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:14 pm EST

Sorry KIS, things have changed: According to article XIX subsection 64.2 (g) of the Affordable Care Act, as of March 2014 all ass-kicking contests will be required to provide prosthetic limbs to any and all differently-abled entrants.

LeoS


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:03 pm EST

RF: And to help with the goalies we hire Billy Smith as coach? :(

Ranger47


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:18 pm EST

RR/DCI: LOL - well given Sather's lack of reluctance to sign ex-Flyers, Penguins and Devils, it's not out of the realm of possibilities. As putrid as it may be to envision.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:16 pm EST

KIS - If Sather makes that big trade, I might have to edit the part about stumbling in the POs!!!!...My prediction of such a good year goes hand in hand with expecting NASH and St. Louis to have big years..,,but it may turn out that, as you say, St. Louis is too old..and I'm just being a fool expecting Nash to put it together after last year

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:12 pm EST

Gotta hand it to you RF. That's about an 8.75 on the twisted scale!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:06 pm EST

RF - That will be a two day wall suspension for even floating that idea! I just threw up in my mouth.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 12:56 pm EST

RR: Or the King gets a long term injury and the hiccups experienced by the Prince in pre-season proves to be the norm, forcing the Rangers to seek goaltending help outside of the organization and they sign Uncle Daddy to a deal! DOH!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 12:27 pm EST

Love all the optimism. I think it should be a good year as well. II think the team will need a major trade for a center to get to the next level. Don't know who it will be. Maybe a Staal brother coming this way as Carolina looks to tank and get the number one pick.. Ironic. lets see how long it will be until wallsters are screaming Sather sucks, AV no good. MSL to old and Nash sucks. hahahaha Rabid and Tdchi I like both of your predictions alot. Wondering how long until York is challenging somebody to a one legged ass kicking contest. enjoy the season and lets go Rangers. Of course Pa is no where to be found. I'm sure he will make his appearance soon to rip into somebody's ass probably mine. what a jackass

KIS


Thu Oct 9 2014 12:10 pm EST

My predictions for the season: There will be a beginning to it and there will be an end to it. Somewhere close to the middle of the season there will be a game played where the best players voted by the fans will play another game. I will even predict that they will call it the "All-Star game." JMO.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:56 am EST

Pal17: I'll be in Sec 210 Row 4 for the opener........look forward to it

jnyr


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:51 am EST

td -- stop being so vague.....could you be a little more specific?!? ;^)

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:19 am EST

New Season Wallsters, Thanks for all the NYR info during the short summer! Cant believe I've been on here since 97..... I have a pair of tickets available for Opening Night in Sect 220, Row 6 Seats 23 & 24 (aisle) anyone interested can email me at artpal17@yahoo.com I can send a paypal request for payment.

Pal17


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:15 am EST

As for the season, RANGERS WIN THE EAST but stumble in the POS (hard to get two long runs back to back) because Sather fails to pony up and upgrade at the Deadline...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:13 am EST

Damn TDCHI..Break those things up into short stories!.......As far as lines, talking time and opinions are done, the proof will be in the pudding the next two games...we'll see...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:13 am EST

Wow, that's a mighty fine prediction TD. McIlrath giving Lucic a concussion might produce an orgasm. Actually, there's no might about it. Hmm... Let's see... I can envision all kinds of unexpected events this year. Hank getting injured pretty seriously for the first time in his career. Cam becomes the man. He's shakier than last season (based on his few appearances thus far), but an improved offense keeps the team afloat in the standings.Sather, not getting any younger, tires of the JT Miller project by Thanksgiving. By Xmas, he's a Shark, along with Klein.Joe Thorton is a Ranger. McIlrath steps in but not up, and we're searching for a dman at the deadline. Zuc goes down from a nasty slash, because Dmen get tired of him deking them from their jocks. Malone is just great, when he's healthy, which is infrequent. Dom Moore's play reminds us why he was on half a dozen teams. Oscar Lindberg joins the team in January and Moore becomes a black ace. Lee Stempniak kicks butt. So does Tanner Glass. Duclair stays with the team after a hot start but tails off. the Rangers keep him though.he ends up with 22 goals, gets his 2nd wind, and becomes a playoff badass. Lundqvist returns but struggles, and the team plays better in front of Talbot, providing AV with a dilemma. He rotates goalies throughout the playoffs trying to get Hank a Cup when the team should be the no. 1 priority. The Rangers need a miraculous comeback in the first round to advance, trailing by two late in the 3rd v. Washington. Hagelin and Rick Nash save the day. Yes, Nash, who takes yet another wicked headshot in February, returns and is again uneven. MSL blows a wheel and his career appears over. Ryan Haggerty is the callup, and fills in admirably. Marc Staal steps up offensively, something everyone thought they'd never see again. Chris Kreider is suspended for crippling yet another goaltender. the stigma becomes something that stays with him the rest of his career. Derek Stephan returns but is in a effective. Sather begins waving him under Stevie Y's nose in the hopes of snatching Stamkos (in his walk year in 16) but that dog won't hunt. Rangers are ousted by Toronto of all teams, never make it out of the conference. sorry boys, it just came out that way LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:46 am EST

Funny to read all these "pundits" make such genius predictions around the NHL...the ones I absolutely love: That LA is some kind of dynasty playing out just because they won two cups...and yet no mention of Chicago...how Pittsburgh is automatically a favorite to win the eastern conference, even though they're a weaker team than they were last year...ditto with the Bruins, who just lost one of their top defensemen...lost IGINLA...lost THORNTON...and replaced them with Cunningham, Spooner, Matt Fraser and Robbins, a career ECHLer...Anaheim is another that seems to get all this praise heaped on it, simply because they picked up KESLER...And yet the one team that seems almost wholly overlooked is the Rangers...in fact, some of these clowns are claiming they won't even make the playoffs...My predictions are that this team will be one of the best we've seen...I think the issues at center will quickly disappear as the season goes on...Predict career year from BRASSARD. I say he tops 50 points this year...KREIDER, I believe, will build on last year's production...I see 25 goals, 50-plus points...I think we'll see a career year out of ZUCCARELLO too..point-per-game production...NASH, I don't believe, will change his tune any from last season, though he too will end up with 30 goals 50-something points...MILLER will have a breakout year and solidify himself as the team's third-line center and, were it not for Brassard's improved play, would challenge for second line...HAYES has some bumps along the way, but settles in nicely to land a very respectable rookie season and stays with the team the whole year...factors into the Calder tallies...though he doesn't come close to winning it...DUCLAIR, after a strong start, plateaus and is loaned to Team Canada to lead the team to its first silver medal since 2011...Canada is foiled, though, by a strong Team USA backstopped by HALVERSON...Duke goes back to the Remparts in January and leads them ti their first Memorial Cup championship since 2006...His spot on the Rangers roster is filled by FAST, who proves to be a great addition to third line and an adept penalty killer...Hank has a banner year that earns him his second Vezina trophy...BOLYE, who starts strong, lands on the IR...STAAL is paired with KLEIN and moves up to PPQB on the second powerplay unit...tops career totals in points...McILRATH is recalled and becomes a fixture alongside John MOORE...wins over AV with his team play...MALONE, when healthy, becomes a beast for the Rangers...STEPAN returns in mid-November and the Rangers, already a good team, crank it up a notch and become dominant...Team never looks back...wins the president's trophy and faces a scrappy Islanders team in the first round...barely squeaks out a victory and then faces the big, bad Bruins, who pundits predict will roll over them easily...only the Rangers SWEEP Boston...dominating them both physically and on the scoreboard. McILRATH, playing in only his eighth playoff game, gives LUCIC a concussion...Rangers face Tampa in the conference finals and again, barley squeak by in a hard-fought series that basically amounts to a goaltenders duel...but Hank is better than BISHOP, who is runner up for the Vezina...Rangers face a dominant Chicago team with RICHARDS and CARCILLO in the lineup...pundits predict a repeat of the LA series...But instead, the bounces that didn't go their way in 2014 go their way against Chicago...Rangers lead 3-2 in the series, bring it back to the Garden for Game 6 and Ryan McDONAGH becomes the first Ranger captain since MESSIER to raise the cup over his head. That's my prediction and I'm standing by it ;)

tdchi


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:33 am EST

Yeah ok, Strickland; Ott and his - 35 really strikes fear in my heart.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:33 am EST

@andystrickland: Ken Hitchcock has said he'll try to balance out ice time among forwards. Alex Steen may be only player to see 20 minutes #stlblues

Messier11


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:28 am EST

@andystrickland: In reality the #stlblues have two first lines, a second line, and a third line. "4th line" of Ott, Lappierre, and Reaves should be a handful

Messier11


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:28 am EST

Vic- Interesting! My guess is that it almost is the opposite. I think AV used big parts of camp to try to find new combinations up front because he thought we needed to make changes. BUT, then I think he got cold feet the closer to tonight we got. In light of what happend early last season, I think he is afraid of a similar start and isn't prepared to enter a season again with unproven combos. Hags-Brass-Zucc, Kreider-Miller-Stepan is a chicken lineup from my POV.

Ola


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:50 am EST

Gotta say, having just seen a pic with all the assistants, that McD looks good wearing that "C"; it looks correct, and he looks damn proud wearing it. Kid could well be captain for the next dozen years. There's a lot that goes into that, depending on how the player approaches it. I remember hearing stories of Messier buying Darren Langdon new suits, leaving them hanging in his locker. McDonagh talked already about how his wife needs to deal with the other wives & GFs. All kinds of shit must pop up, and the captain becomes the go-to guy, in addition to being the No. 1 target for the media. Ordinarily I'd worry about putting it on a younger guy. Cally I never thought looked comfortable in the role. But McDonagh, I think he's going to relish this. And man, if this guy steps his game up even half a notch more, I don't even know what kind of dman we're talking about. It'd be off the charts.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:28 am EST

There has been a lot of talk about the 7th D. Who will Hunwick replace? My prediction is DanG. He is over 30 and has a lot of miles on that frame (Blocked shots alone) I can see him getting dinged and forcing our hand a bit. I hope Boyle is ticketed for the 3rd pairing even strength because he was horrific in our zone during the preseason.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:41 am EST

JFC/DCI - Were I to guess, BRASSARD isn't speaking on his personal relationship with HAGELIN...Rather who he thinks fits best with him and ZUCC...Can't say I necessarily disagree...If there's part of Hags' game I like it's that he's a relentless forechecker. Guy forces turnovers all the time, and that's all his linemates would need for a nice odd-man rush. Line also allows AV to load up first line...KREIDER-MSL-NASH...I personally don't like that line too much, but it gives the Rangers a sizable first line...Probably see something like MALONE-MILLER-DUCLAIR/HAYES as third line then STEMPNIAK-MOORE-GLASS on fourth...I'd still put JT between Nash and Kreider...but whatever...That's four lines the Rangers can roll very effectively...and if JT and Duke are on the same line, that could be a VERY exciting line...JT showed he can thread the needle...and Duke showed he can be that needle...Gonna miss Step and tonight's game is going to be a bitch, but I feel this team is going to come out fast from the blocks, unlike last year when it faltered.

tdchi


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:34 am EST

Enjoying the comments. Any day where hockey season starts is a beautiful day. Agree the first 10 games or d o are an extended camp for AV. Let him experiment because if not now, when? And there were so many new faces in camp, irs hard to make all the right calls off of only 3-4 games, which is the most anybody played. I am anxious to see if the PP makes a difference tonight if its a close game. Ir can hide a multitude of sins.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:58 am EST

JFC: I wouldn't get too worked up about the lines. It was pretty clear to me that the Rangers used the preseason and camp to identify the new faces that they wanted to start the season with in the lineup. They spent very little time trying to set lines for the season. Also, based on AV's comments there will most likely be changes to who is with the team over the first 10 to 15 games. I think AV believes the Rangers are good enough to spend the first 10 or 15 games of the year discovering what they have in their new players and identifying line combos. I am going to stay away from predictions for the team this year because so much is in flux right now. I could see so many different outcomes individually and collectively that I am just going to enjoy the ride again. I'm glad the season is finally here and I'm looking forward to this season more then any in a very long time.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:53 am EST

JFC, that may be a force of habit. But these lines AV is tinkering with do not give me the warm and fuzzies. Injury may play a roll too.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:32 am EST

So, Hagelin is the new linemate for Brass & Zucc because Brass requested it and the reason is because he and Hags "get along" so well. Jeez Louise? What is this, elementary school? That is no way to put tgether a line for the first game of the season. I don't care if Brass & Hags are BFFs....I only care if they can PLAY HOCKEY together! Really weird that AV would actually approach the opening game this way and then ADMIT IT. Who's in charge here? Sorry, maybe it's much ado about nothing, but it's just a bad impression IMO. "Oh, please, please coach, can I play with my best friend?" Ugh!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:17 am EST

DC -- good post...but, do you really think the Rangers will barely "sneak" into the PO's this year? I think it's just a matter of how high we finish....I'm hoping that we're vying for !st place in the Division.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:09 am EST

Want to put my predictions on record. I don’t post often but am a daily reader of the wall. Here goes: Brassard – Will score 45 points and be inconsistent all year, Anthony DuClair – will stay with the team for the entire year forcing a trade (Most likely for a Center), Jesper Fast – Will have one more name change when he is sent back to Hartford the second time this year, Tanner Glass – Will get his ass kicked and kick ass equally and become a fan favorite for doing his job, Hagelin – Ugh, I love so much of his game, however I see him as Rico Fata with slightly better hands (He may be included in the trade for the center), Hayes – Suffers growing pains and should buy an Amtrak discount card to shuttle him back and forth between NYC and Hartford, Kreider – Beast mode: He will be neck and neck for the scoring title on the club and take out 6 goalies in the process!, Malone – Hip flexor notwithstanding Ryan makes his mark and scores some HUGE goals throughout the year, Miller – JT puts it all together! For a stretch of 10 games then regresses and then bounces back and repeats this cycle all year until it finally clicks in sometime in March 2015, Dom Moore – Anchors the 4th line all year and scores some very hard working goals in the process, Nash – (Waaaay out on a limb) Leads the Rangers in points scored by finally topping 80 points in a season (I am now ducking for cover), St Louis – struggles out of the gate as AV moves him from his natural position by January he is hitting on all cylinders and makes a HUGE difference down the stretch, Stempniak – Serviceable with flashes of brilliance, but his biggest headline all year will be when he misses the team plane at the end of a road trip (and no one notices until the next day), Stepan – Tough break but this will allow him to be a force down the stretch run that we need each year to sneak into the playoffs. Zuccarello – He and Kreider wil be 2 and 3 in points scored on this team and he gets his long term deal done! That’s it for the forwards…

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:02 am EST

Should have said... On the outside in the waiting room... Joke writing is not easy... Ask nash ... Are you going to the net or staying out of traffic.... Time to man up daddy nash ....get a hat trick for the kid .... Don't be nervous your wife is the one going thru the pain... Try it on ...

stevielegs


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:28 am EST

So nash is going to be a daddy any day now. Will he go inside the delivery room or stay in the waiting room?....mal-one II will earn his spot on the nyr.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:36 pm EST

Wouldnt it be somethin' if we crushed like last year right off the bat? Lol. Between ANA & Hertzl think it was 17-2 in two games. Gotta sense some doom if youre a Ranger fan, its only natural. StL is miserable from their coach on down. Not expectingva fun game but LGR.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:18 pm EST

Strickland saying Polak with 7 hits tonight for Toronto. Thinks he'll tear up the ACC this season

Messier11


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:13 pm EST

;-) This is a test! I'm hopeful, but man, the Blues are stacked! It seems like we're still in flux a bit. Here's hoping, though.

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:58 pm EST

Z: LOL...call me realistic!!

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:39 pm EST

RF4L... You're negative!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:36 pm EST

Newfie - Honestly, totally disrespectful. Like I said, if I was AV, tomorrow in my team meetings, I would show the entire thing.

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:35 pm EST

Call me negative, but I am expecting a loss to the Blues tomorrow night....

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:33 pm EST

I was watching the LA Banner raising too. In their video tribute they showed EVERY game winning goal,from BOTH teams, from their first three series ............then when it came to ours ,it only showed the Kings goals and not ONE of ours..........what's up with that ? and doesn't anyone find that insulting besides me ?????????

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:21 pm EST

Lucky Luke: "And in the 4th round we beat our cross-country rivals to prove that Los Angeles is the greatest hockey city in the world!" GAG!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:13 pm EST

Watching the Kings raise the banner - AV should force the team to watch it. It makes me want to puke that we're part of their montage. Now THAT'S motivation! LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:35 pm EST

If its me Malone is top 6, cause thats what he is when hes right. And it was only a few games but think he showed he can still pretty much go into beast mode. The key with him is having that in the lineup in April. And I do think theyre rationing him with the hip flexor. He made the team, has new life & looks happy & confident. He'll get in. Its a long war, we're gonna need all the soldiers we have.I think quite a few of these new faces could see platoon time. Stemp & Fast, I see no reason for both eventually. Its gonna be a process. As long as they get it right at the end. With the baffling exception of throwing Richards out there till the bitter fucking end, AV did sift out the dead weight last year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 7:21 pm EST

Great chatter here today boys - you can tell it's hockey season! Excited for this team! Looking forward to some great hockey. On Millet - I posted late last night the last time - but have to add that I'm a fan and think this kid is one hell of a player! I guess I just want the org to stop jerking him around and let him settle. I just want this kid to settle, the org to understand that he might make some gaffs - just like anyone - and stop micro analyzing the shit out of him. A Malone-Millet-Hags line would be dangerous if they just let it run for a while. I especially thought Malone and Millet were settling in and showing some chemistry. Let's go with it and see what happens! DROP THE PUCK!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 6:15 pm EST

Hospo -- I feel the same way....Malone (and what he brings to this team) is one of the keys to this season....unless he's hurting, he should be in there. But, I do know that hip flexors can be tricky things....easy to tweek, like a groin or a hamstring. So, maybe it's just the Rangers staff being cautious with him. Still, very disappointing not to have him start the season tomorrow. Not liking the lines at all.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 6:04 pm EST

RABID _ Personally, I think it's idiotic not to play MALONE if he's healthy.....And DUCLAIR with Miller is far from floating my boat..

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 5:24 pm EST

AV saying Brassard mentioned Hags as a potential linemate. Says the two get along good together. Dont like the sound of it, but who knows. Those are two crafty guys and one hell of a speedster. AVs trying to find pairings, thats why he has Kreider & Nash together. Didnt think they had all that much chemistry but you go with what you got. We got Malone. Id rather see him with Duke & JT than Stemp. But still so early it hasnt even started yet.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 5:18 pm EST

Yep, plenty of stay-at-home type defensemen who are big and mean and still end of being damn good defenseman in the NHL. Not everyone has to be a McDonough. Wrath seems to know how to position himself pretty well and he can make up for lack of quickness by angling and smart positional play. He made good strides from last year with his break-out passing, making the right decisions and being composed in the back end. He can be a Jeff Beukeboom type player without a doubt. He's a very big guy....just like big power forwards, it can take a big D-man a bit longer to get all the parts of his big body working together in harmony. So, he's not the most graceful skater in the world, so what....as long as he plays a good, responsible style and can beat the snot out of anyone in the league, he'll do just fine for us one day soon.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 4:32 pm EST

I agree with you on Mcilrath, personally, i would like to see the Rangers move John Moore and bring up Mcilrath at some point in the season, I believe he will adapt and eventually be a decent to good defenseman, I also believe that the Rangers should see Skej in 2015, and Moore might bring in a good draft choice possibly a No.1 for me Mcilrath can provide for this Rangers team what Lou Fontinanto provided the 50s Rangers who were on the small side but because of him they were competitive on the road, and I see Mcilrath providing the same, the similarities are very much the same the 50s Rangers were a very good skating and skilled team only the legendary 50s Canadiens were quicker, so I see that Mcilrath can provide that sameskill set to this team, it might take the first 10-15 games for it to happen, but they sure will need that presence at some point in the season.

Bathgate9


Wed Oct 8 2014 4:32 pm EST

We-ve all seen McIlrath skate. He may not be Paul Coffey, but theres nothing there to dq him from playing in the NHL. I was surprised by Leonard's remark. He has a better understanding of the organization than most, and is usually a pretty measured guy. I thought maybe someone may have whispered something to him, but the NYR would never want that out if it were true, and if Steve Eminger could skate in the league, its hard to belive MCI cant. Guess you just chalk it up to something shouldnt have been said.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 4:21 pm EST

When it comes to McILRATH, Leonard is giving you his opinion based on what he's seen in camp and perhaps what he remembers from last season. There's no denying the fact that Mac ain't exactly a good fit in AV's system...I'm sure he prefers the mobility/offense of a more slick-footed guy like KLEIN...easy to make that argument...much more tough to use it when you see first-hand the kind of intimidation he brings to the rink. He's a beast. He's always been a beast. And for how big he is, he moves OK. Not what AV would want, but well enough that when his timing is down, he'll be an asset...totally different argument when one brings in his draft number(10th overall) with the number of NHLers that were drafted behind him. I have no doubt the Rangers are going to use Mac one day soon. And I'll bet he's a fan-favorite pretty quick. Maybe never a star, but an asset.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 2:32 pm EST

Boy this Buchnevich keeps scoring sick goals in the KHL. And I'm sure if healthy he'll continue to do so. But since he has no chance of playing here this year I'm holding off on caring (and commenting) until next year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 1:07 pm EST

Dubi's a much bigger loss to the Bluejackets than Step for us.....

Ranger47


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:29 pm EST

Dubi out 6 weeks-torn abdominal muscle-surgery

puckyou


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:26 pm EST

Hospo.... I do have to give him credit for having balls though. Predicting the team winning cup is one thing. Telling Ranger fans that their former first round pick will never amount to anything? He'll never hear the end of that one if he's wrong.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:21 pm EST

RHET - While I don't think McI is ready yet, I thought he looked more comfotable and just about there to be able to play some 3rd pair NHL D...But you are right, maybe not in AV's system..which is totaqlly different than saying he won't play in the NHL, like that schmuck Leonard said,...

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:11 pm EST

Rabid.... After reading AV's comments, it makes a huge difference when read in context. He didn't say that they lost because of no depth at center, he said that LA had that as an advantage over us in the Finals. Which I totally agree with.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:00 pm EST

RF4L.... A lot of people are saying it these days and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't having the same thoughts myself. Wrath doesn't look like he'll be able to keep up playing in AV's transition game. That's JMO though.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:58 am EST

What the f&ck does Pat Leonard know about skating or McI's ability to improve it going forward? He's going to condemn this kid to being an AHL lifer when he's made it to the last cut the past seasons? If his skating is in need of improvement, the organization will have already identified it and taken steps to improve it. Brian Boyle is a perfect example. After he took intensive skating instruction in the off-season, his whole game changed and he was more effective. Skating technique is one of the most scientific aspects of hockey and there are many, many instructors who get excellent results. Once you've made it to the klevl McI has, there's no way he's going to get instructed and not have it result in a huge improvement. Once again, it is something that would be done if the Rangers felt that was the missing ingedient.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:55 am EST

And Pat Leonard's background when it comes to scouting/assessing professional hockey players is what exactly? He's 30 years and from what I can discern, didn't start following hockey until 2 years ago when he was hired by NY Daily News - prior to that it was more traditional US based sports he wrote about (baseball/football/basketball) and that was primarily high-schoolers. Hardly who can be termed an expert. It's dudes like him that blow me away and probably annoy to no end professional athletes (in this case hockey players). He should simply refrain from making definitive statements like that, especially when they are so negative. There's probably more hockey knowledge in my little finger than his head. Has he ever even played the game I wonder?

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:48 am EST

td/Hospo -- I've always liked the kid and his skill set and you're right, I think we tend to overlook the fact that he's only 21 years old. But, for some reason, AV seems to have minimal patience with him. I think he'll be on a very short leash and if he messes up his defensive responsibilities or makes a costly pass in his own end, AV will take him off C. And if that happens, JT is in danger because AV has a lot of options at W.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:45 am EST

Pat Leonard said in his chat today about McIlrath... "Nice kid but can't skate, won't play in the NHL"

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:36 am EST

I should clarify that neither is leaving TSN, they're just adding duties at NBC. IMO, NBC can really use it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:35 am EST

If JT produces it puts much less emphasis on the occasional gaffe. If theyre only occasional. He's not stepping into an ordinary situation now either. This team is now expected to do damage. But hes had his chances, and now he has one more golden one. I hope he seizes it, we'd be in good shape. If not, I hope he likes teal lol

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:33 am EST

Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are joining NBC Sports Group. TSN says it doesn't change anything at their network. We shall see.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:21 am EST

JFC- Those are two huge failings for a 2nd Center if you ask me and why I don't know if he is ready...Physically, without a doubt....Hopefully the Ranger coaches will just keep on drilling these things through the kid's head and he gets....Don't expect perfection---he is only 21---but he needs to show improvement..Hell, I can live with the out of position stuff, the lazy, hih-risk passes are another thing..

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:20 am EST

JFC - From what I can tell, AV is giving MILLER the center spot...just not on second line. Sounds like he'll pivot MALONE/DUCLAIR and HAGELIN. The situation with MSL and ZUCC see to be more a factor of HAYES not being ready to take the middle...My educated guess is that the uncertainty over Hayes coupled with his shoulder tweak was enough for AV to reach out to MSL before giving the OK to demote MUELLER...I think if there was a lot of concern about the situation at center, we'd see him and/or LINDBERG still in NY.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:17 am EST

Obviously, the Rangers have to find a way to make do at center until Stepan comes back....I guess the way they ar egoi9ng now is Brass-StLouis-Miller-Moore down the middle...I don't know, maybe it is the best option they have right now...I am not as keen on HAYES as others...The kid has talent (and WILL be a big time player) but he he also makes alot of mistakes..The kid is tall but right now it seems to me to be awkward ineffective size, certainly not suited for a 3rd or 4th liner....Maybe it can work for a few games instead of where St' Louis is now (until Step comes back, I don't know), but I don't think he is an answer for this season ..And like I said, the Rangers needs to be keeping an eye on Lindberger, Mueller and Lombardi down in Hartford..some will be needed..JMWO

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:11 am EST

Miller is definitely ready for prime time right now IMO. However, what I believe is holdig him back from playing C is that he does not cover his defensive responsibilities well in his own end and he has a tendency to make high risk pases in his own end. For that reason, AV does not yet trust him to play C...and that's a shame because the kid showed me in preseason that he really can distribute the puck quite well in the O zone. If he can just tighten upo defensively and make better decisions in his own end, I think he would play C. In the desperate situation we are in for a center right now, it really tells you something that AV won'r use JT there....it tells you that AV does not trust him.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:42 am EST

Nick Kypreos ..... Injury woes continue in CBJ. Told Dubinsky is out indefinitely and not available to start NHL season. Possible long term situation

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:29 am EST

Same lines as yesterday.....Per Andrew Gross.... At NYR practice, Kevin Hayes is full contact after being slowed by a tweaked shoulder.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:01 am EST

Oh I agree Ola; they had an edge. We had the edge elsewhere. So close, for a 5-game series, don't know it could've been any closer. What I take from it is our young guys won't be wide-eyed next time around. And I think they're stung by the loss, and that hardens you even more. And hopefully Step & Brassard are healthy, that'll make a big difference. It's just, we have to play like 100 games now to get back there lol.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:47 am EST

Rhet& Rabid- You guys don't think LA was just a bit heavier than us? My take from the series was that they quite clearly won the battles infront of the nets. We couldn't make up for that elsewhere...

Ola


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:45 am EST

Yeah, AV just said LA had more depth in the middle and it showed. Interesting tat he said he heard from sources LA was hitting the wall and felt Rangers till had some has in the tank. Said if they just got an OT goal, LA wouldve never beat us at MSG gm 6, and gm 7 anything can happen with Hank in net. Maybe. Maybe not.He's a pretty good sport AV, said better team won. Absolutely raves about Duclair; said in all his years he hasn't seen many young guys do what he does at high speed. Again says he might not play every game. Says Miller & Hayes are getting opportunity now to help at center, obvious enough I guess.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:29 am EST

The only thing I want to see Miller do is relax with the puck. Its not easy for kids sometimes to realize how much time they have, but it can be improved. The rest of Miller's game is strong. He just really needs to go through the ups & downs of an NHL season, get knocked around a little, find some flow & settle in. I am still wondering what was going on with St Louis blasting him in practice. Could have been as simple as MSL seeing him with his head down and issuing a heads-up lol. The one thing we are seeing early on though is St Louis exerting himself as a leader. The way people talk about this guy, even AV, its like they're in awe of him.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:22 am EST

It is apparent to me that Miller and Hayes are looked to in order to bring speed and size to the center ice position. Over the course of the season, if that does not work, a trade to bring in a center with those qualities will be made.

gene_carr


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:13 am EST

Rhet, I need to dig up the exact quote, in fairness to AV. It was something like 'LA had more size & depth at center'. Whatever. I'm pretty sure AV might've cost us a Cup just by trotting Richards out there on the PP against all reason, but its water under the bridge. 1st year here, even I can't kill him just yet.but he'd better push the right buttons this time around. sather got him a point man, no excuse there. His lines are hideous right now, though I suspect he's juggling by the 3rd period tomorrow night.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:04 am EST

RF4L - Totally disagree...I think the style the Rangers play really takes a lot of the pressure off the center to guide the offense...this is a team that hasn't ever been strong up the middle and has evolved as a result...you got guys like Zucc and MSL who are all over the ice anyway...and with the speed of wings like Kreider and Hagelin...and now Duclair, a lot of the offense they generate is through the speed of their rush...That means outlet passes...that means getting the defense to push the puck...will the Rangers miss STEPAN? Hell yeah, they will...but is it going to be a calamity? Nope. I don't believe the Rangers will have a pop-gun offense just because one guy is injured.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:43 am EST

hipcheck/Z - Thing to realize about MILLER is that he's 21...kid is still young...a product of youthful mistakes and him getting jerked around the organization...I think the lion's share of Ranger fans forget this when they start bashing him for being 'stupid' or making dumb plays or whatever the knock-du-jour is...Way I see it is Miller played three very good pre-season games at his natural position, which is center...the only game where he didn't look good was the last one against the Devils, during which he was shifted back to wing and was among a group of 19 players that didn't look sharp...The Rangers also haven't made his development any easier...in Hartford, they've played him almost exclusively as a center...the position where he's always looked best...yet in New York, he gets moved over to the wing, where two of his better attributes...ability to take faceoffs and ability to dish the puck...are limited...so is it a surprise he didn't look great getting shift over to the wing during the second half of a back-to-back game? No. Not at all...then again, NO ONE looked good...and yet I read it's Miller who "regressed" when I read through the wall..Total bs, IMO...kid is ready for the bigtime...what the Rangers SHOULD do is scrap this idea of putting MSL as a center and have Miller pivot him and Rick NASH...Kid has shown time and time again he can battle along the boards...I saw him go to battle the offensive zone boards and corners on a couple of occasions this fall with two opponents and still emerge with the puck...If you have two lethal scorers waiting for the puck, that's how you score goals...but whatever...as long as the Rangers keep Mills in the middle, given him regular minutes and a pair of linemates who can pot the puck, I'm positive he'll start wining fans here.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:35 am EST

Rabid.....I feel as though I watched a completely different Finals from AV. I guess he's absolved himself from any share of the blame even though he's failed to get the job done with 2 different organizations.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:30 am EST

Mats Zuccarello says that it has been many years since he played center, and he prefers to be a winger, but if asked he would slide into the middle. (Nettavisen) Asked about Marty St. Louis moving from wing to center to start the season, Zuccarello said that he thinks Marty will “master it quite well.” (Nettavisen)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:13 am EST

AV told Francessa yesterday center depth was why we lost to LA.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 7:16 am EST

I've with you that RR - IMO, there could be a serious lack of offense on this club until Stepan returns to form, which could take until late November. Brassard isn't a number 1 center and behind him is a series of question marks. JT MIller the number 2 guy? He's yet to show he can take a regular turn at the NHL level, let alone produce offensively. Next to the King, losing Stepan is probably the most damaging loss this team can experience. Think about it: Cup aspirations with potentially 3 rookie forwards (Duclair, Hayes and Fast) with Miller still figuring things out? Sure hope they prove worthy! On the other hand, it's exciting to think that this team, which seemed to be throwing the future to the trash bin in order to win now, has 4 young forwards on its roster. It's almost an oxymoron!

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 7:14 am EST

Regarding MILLER... I guess I'm in the minority, because I watched the pre season (fairly) close, and I did not see all of these mistakes I hear everyone complaining about. I saw a kid trying to create and make plays. Most of his turnovers were the result of him being unselfish with the puck in the offensive one. I think he is still developing, and it is obviuos that he looks bigger, stronger & faster to me. I'm really ecited to see him gain confidence and get in a rhythm this year. I think we are very lucky to have MILLER.

hipcheck


Wed Oct 8 2014 6:18 am EST

Forwards (14): Derick Brassard, Anthony Duclair, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Carl Hagelin, Kevin Hayes, Chris Kreider, Ryan Malone, J.T. Miller, Dominic Moore, Rick Nash, Martin St. Louis, Lee Stempniak, Mats Zuccarello Defensemen (7): Dan Boyle, Dan Girardi, Matt Hunwick, Kevin Klein, Ryan McDonagh, John Moore, Marc Staal Goaltenders (2): Henrik Lundqvist, Cam Talbot

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:09 pm EST

On JT Miller - I think they just got to get out of the way and let this kid get his shot. He honestly makes some brilliant plays - and honestly makes some really bad ones. If they think he has what it takes they need to give him the opportunity and trust to figure it out. They NEED to know if they have a MDZ or a player on their hands that can get over it. If he can't, he's probably not going to be of any more value right now and you can trade him, but give him a legit shot to be a part of this team. To me, he looks a lot more consistent out there. Yes, he still makes some dumb snap decisions, but there are a ton of vets that are guilty of the same. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:49 pm EST

Mac on NHL.com: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/?id=637869&catid=2 - LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!

Z


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:38 pm EST

Brooks can paint all the smiley faces he wants, telling people what they want to hear. Until its on the ice it means bubkas. Unless one of Miller, Hayes, or I still say Lindberg comes through as a quality center, they dont have what it takes imo. If everything goes right and they get on a magical run like last year was for a bit, maybe, maybe they get back to final four. No guarantee they win it, nor guarantees they avoid Boston again. You get in this position once every 7-10 years, its no time to play. Give it 25 games, see if a kid emerges. Otherwise trade the worst one and some salary & get me Thorton (or another real good centerman).everything else looks pretty good.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:28 pm EST

3 cheers for lb and I agree with his final conclusion.... And I hope we are both right.... Last time nyr had 4 a's ..... 1994.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:58 pm EST

JFC - I'm not going that far, but I'm saying the Rangers can/will win the EAST..Even with the center problems right now....Some players will come around and there is depth to trade from....

Hospo


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:54 pm EST

Healthy Lombardi got outplayed by the kids

Messier11


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:51 pm EST

Hospo - Yeah...saw that re: Peter MUELLER. I still love the guy as a player...and in St. Louis, he was facing an impossible battle...Word was he didn't play bad in camp, just not good enough to crack the top three...Won't report to the AHL either and is now rumored to be shopping for a team in Europe...on unconditional waivers now...I'd give him a look-see as third-line center...of course with the contract situation being what it is, it'll never happen.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:44 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/07/rangers-preview-why-theyll-raise-the-stanley-cup-this-year/

JFC31


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:30 pm EST

Actually could work out great for both Duclair & NYR if he gets a taste now, plays junior & WJC, and returns for POs. Who knows what happens. Im preparing for a bumpy ride first half.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:24 pm EST

Brooks predicting Rangers win Cup!

JFC31


Tue Oct 7 2014 6:05 pm EST

Hospo business as usual, as veenyo and sather brain rust fight it out behind closed doors....they'll be fine eventually this season....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 6:02 pm EST

Yep, STEVIE, a very interesting situation...Loosing Stepan really hurt, not having a healthy LOMBARDI hurts., MILLER remaining inconsisitent hurts...Personally, I don't think HAYES is ready for the NHL and can learn alot in Hartdord,,OTOH, I think Mueller showed he can play a reliable two way 4th line role in the NHL....In the beginning, it's going to be just as important how the C's are doing in Hartford Lindberger, Lombardi, Hayes or Mueller) as they are in NY (st. Louis, Miller,) because I expect changes,,,,

Hospo


Tue Oct 7 2014 5:26 pm EST

veenyo says they are weak up the middle and waives the 2 centers they signed, and puts wingers in. filling in for Richards and stepan in the first 10-20 should be interesting. maybe those guys will be recalled if his experiments don't pan out, or those guys tear up the ahl. ...they'll be plenty to post about no matter what unless they are in 1st...but that doesn't stop it....is the duke éclair really ready for up to 82 games plus the playoffs in the nhl ?....I hope so, but really doubt it......

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 4:48 pm EST

AV said Hayes may go to IR. He couldnt confirm during his PC. TD, I agree with a lot of that on AD. First thing I said was he squeezes Malone, and we gotta have the physicality . But all that is also from the perspective of what may be best for Duclair, not whats best fir the Rangers right now. Theyre without their top scorer. That as much as anything is why Duke is here.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 4:20 pm EST

JFC - Totally misunderstanding what I'm saying...First, I'd never knock someone who can shoot the puck like DUCLAIR as being a flash in the pan...and everything I've seen of him up to this point has suggested he has a bright future...question is, how to best prepare him for everyday play in the NHL...As good as I think he is, I personally don't think Duclair can crack the Rangers' top six and after STEPAN comes back, I think he'll have a tough time cracking the top nine...total numbers game...Look at the wings: Nash, MSL, Zucc, Hagelin, Kreider, and Malone...possibly Miller...of those seven, the only two he's beating out are Miller and Malone...and then as a coach, you've got to take size into consideration...While Duke may thrill with his drives to the net...he's not a player that's going to work the boards or lay out big hits...So do you sacrifice size on third line for skill? And then think about third line...even in AV's rolling-line system, you're looking at 14 minutes a night...Is that enough for a player like that? Mind you, this is considering that he can bump one of the aforementioned wings out of position...and it's also factoring in that STEMPNIAK is a fourth-line player...so my point is that I'd rather a kid play 21 minutes a night and carry a junior team to a championship than skate 10 minutes a night on a bottom line in the NHL. Now sure, maybe he lights it up...is a point-per-game player...he's impressive, sure...but, as I mentioned before, Duclair is a kid who basically went from Ranger rookie camp in July to Team Canada camp in August to Traverse City in September...the guy is at peak condition right now, where as the rest of the NHL is still knocking off the rust. Will he still be blowing by guys when they reach peak conditioning? I'm not so sure about that...I can HOPE that's the case, but I'm not convinced that it is yet...bottom line: If I were to pick an ideal situation for Duke, it'd be in the AHL on a top line skating 20 minutes a night...that not being the case, I think the next best thing would be for him to start in juniors and join the Rangers in the post season. I don't see anything good coming from him hanging around the team and playing a bottom-line role, so hopefully he shines and shines bright enough to stay on the top line. Just don't count me as convinced that he can.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 4:10 pm EST

Pat Leonard.... Kevin Hayes will be traveling to St. Louis. Chris Mueller reassigned to Hartford Wolf Pack. W/ Stepan on long-term, NYR down to 23

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 4:10 pm EST

Mueller to Htfd

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 4:09 pm EST

According to @THNKenCampbell, Jordin Tootoo's deal with Devils is for one year at NHL minimum of $550,000. One-way deal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 2:20 pm EST

Dubinsky on IR, likely to miss the game against the Rangers on Saturday.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 12:50 pm EST

Lohud has the audio from our new C and all the As about being named to wear the letters: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/

Z


Tue Oct 7 2014 12:44 pm EST

TDCHI - PETER Mueller didn't make the Blues and won't report to the AHL...LIkely to be released (Strickland)..Maybe somebody picks him up...

Hospo


Tue Oct 7 2014 12:03 pm EST

Per Andrew Gross ‏.... AV says roster still not 100 percent set. It's Mueller (who cleared waivers) or Hayes, who said his shoulder is fine but may start on IR.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:46 am EST

I think Cracknell was a JD get in St. Louis, so that makes sense

Messier11


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:21 am EST

Per James Mirtle.... Columbus claimed Cracknell. Everyone else leaguewide cleared waivers.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:17 am EST

For those of you who were worried, It seems Chris Mueller has cleared waivers. Shocking.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:16 am EST

I'm also disturbed by the line combos I'm reading about. You'd think that AV would have lines sent this year after last year's debacle start. Did those lines even play once together in preseason? What's the point of putting untested lines together in the first game of the season? Crazy> I don't like these lines at all.

JFC31


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:12 am EST

Vic -- agreed on Duclair....if he shows that he has value as a regular member of the top 9, he is not going to the WJC. td -- maybe I'm reading your meaning incorrectly, but it sounds like there's a feeling that the kid is a fluke, that he caught lightning in a bottle, got hot at the right time, etc and that he's gonna get schooled at the NHL level and I don't understand why anyone would predict that. There is no way to know how this kid will respond. Some guys rise up to a challenge and simply continue to get better and better as they are forced to reach deep for the best that they are capable of. My feeling is that his future is absolutely unwritten at this point and making predictions sounds like you're convinced he's not ready and the NHL competition will prove that. I'd rather let the kid write his own story and judge by what I see. He sure as hell doesn't have to score a point per game to prove he belongs here....if that were the case, we wouldn't have any players since none of them scored even close to that. What will happen when Stepan comes back? Well, if Duclair has shown he belongs here, then AV/Sather will make moves to make sure he stays, whether that be a trade or whatever. Who's to say JT Miller doesn't get sent down instead? Or Hayes? Whoever plays the best will stay and play.

JFC31


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:05 am EST

time to dust off and recharge the line generator......version 2014-2015

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:04 am EST

Gawd- not even game 1 and already Nash needs a break!!

Messier11


Tue Oct 7 2014 11:01 am EST

Rabid I like ur line although I think I would change duclair and hags. Helps the young kids. Hags helps miller and Msl helps duke. Not a huge fan of fast so I could care less fast or shemp. I'd rather see hays or haggerty on that fourth line

KIS


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:53 am EST

Reassigned by the New York Rangers from the Wolf Pack to Greenville (ECHL): Forwards (1): Michael St. Croix.... Loaned by the Wolf Pack to Greenville (ECHL): Forwards (1): Vinny Saponari Goaltenders (1): Jeff Malcolm.... Released from training camp tryouts and joining Greenville (ECHL): Forwards (3): Tyler Brown, Kyle Jean, Pat Mullane Defensemen (3): Sean Escobedo, Andrew Himelson, Dallas Jackson.... Reassigned by the New York Rangers from the Wolf Pack to Erie (OHL): Defensemen (1): Troy Donnay.... Released from training camp tryout and joining Fort Wayne (ECHL): Defensemen (1): Mikael Tam.... Released from training camp tryout and joining Rapid City (CHL): Defensemen (1): Brandon Martell.... The Pack now has 24 players on the roster, which may be their final roster for the season opener. ....With those moves, the Wolf Pack training camp roster now stands at 24 players: Forwards (15): Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Joey Crabb, Ryan Haggerty, Marek Hrivik, Michael Kantor, Danny Kristo, Oscar Lindberg, Matthew Lombardi, Chris McCarthy, Richard Nejezchleb, Shawn O’Donnell, Ryan Potulny, Nick Tarnasky, Justin Vaive.... Defense (7): Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Tommy Hughes, Mike Kostka, Dylan McIlrath, Sam Noreau, Steve Spinell.... Goal (2): Cedrick Desjardins, Jason Missiaen

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:46 am EST

Hopefully it doesnt take AV till December to remove his head from his arse. Took forever last year for Pyatt & Co. to play their way out. TD, fine. But its not like everyone knew McD was stud bound. Just ask Montreal hahaha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:41 am EST

Hospo..... It's almost like AV is still feeling his way through pre-season games with the way he's shuffling lines. I don't like them either.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:31 am EST

RR - McDONAGH might have been a relative unknown with Ranger fans, but if you talk to anyone from Wisconsin, I'm sure they're unsurprised...McDonagh was an absolute beast at Wisconsin, where if I recall, he was the captain...Even McDonagh's offense isn't that much of a surprise considering the tools he was showing in the NCAA...just great acceleration...totally fearless with the puck...ice running through his veins...wasn't a matter of 'if' McDonagh was gonna be a top-flight defenseman...more of a when...Glad he's captain...not really a surprise...he has everything a team could want in a leader and outside of Hank, he really is the face of the franchise now.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:30 am EST

Obviously, AV knows his team much better than me..but i still don't like the lines....Nothing really wrong with the first two...But Duclair on wing with a mentally deficient MILLER as his center and a finessey Stemp? Don't like it one bit...Also, no MLAONE against tow physical teams like St. Louis and CBJ..Not smart in my book....But maybe AV wants to challenge a few players other then going with his best lineup?

Hospo


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:26 am EST

Maybe MF is about to get his wish, and we're shipping Nash to SJ. LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:25 am EST

Vic - See, that's the point...once STEPAN comes back, a spot on the top nine vanishes...so DUCLAIR will be competing with MILLER and HAYES...two guys who have size AND skill...for that spot...on a team that desperately needs guys who can play the boards well(i.e. Miller and Hayes)...Unless Duke is cemented in the top six, he's going to struggle to get in the lineup after Step comes back..and that means he'll be fighting for ice time right around December...when Team Canada fires up...My call is he gets a 10 game cup of joe, ends up with Team Canada and then rejoins the Remparts in January...Kid is good, without a doubt...but this was in pre-season...We'll see how well that pace keeps up against teams like the Blues.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:17 am EST

I liked Fast(silent H) better with 91.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:14 am EST

Rick Nash is not skating and it’s being called a maintenance day. (Leonard) ....Kevin Hayes is in a non-contact jersey today and Chris Mueller is on the ice wearing # 14. (Leonard)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 10:13 am EST

Nash with maintenance day; Hayes in non-contact jersey.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 9:49 am EST

RR: I like your lines a lot more then what AV had on the ice yesterday.

Vic


Tue Oct 7 2014 9:45 am EST

Assuming Hayes isn't ready for Thursday, I'd go Kreider-Brass-Zuc, Duclair-Miller- Malone, Hagelin-St Louis-Nash, Glass-Moore- Stempniak ( or Fast). On McD, I said it wasnt a big deal, but also meant to say, he's a guy that'll thrive on the captaincy IMO. His rise has been meteoric. Its one thing to be a No.1 overall and come in and be very good, then great. But McDonagh started out so quiet and boom, he was just fantastic. I can't even remember the last Ranger who's game exploded like that, where everyone knew within a year he two he was one of the best in the game. Maybe Graves. Full marks for McD.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 9:23 am EST

TD.... We'd need a contract available to pick a guy up off waivers. Then we'd have to keep said guy on the NHL roster or risk losing on waivers to send him down. Basically, It's not gonna happen.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 9:19 am EST

TD: I don't see the DUCLAIR situation the same way. Now, if he struggles or shows any signs of being in over his head in the first month of the season I have no doubt the Rangers will send him back to Juniors. But, if he is scoring and playing well. If he is looking like an established NHL player contributing at a top 6 to top 9 level there is no way the Rangers are going to allow him to go play in the WJC. That ship will have sailed. So, if you want him to play in the WJC your best chance is to wish that he fails to establish himself as NHL ready in October. Otherwise he is here to stay IMHO. The Rangers (AV in particular) don't give a shit about the WJC. I have to believe that if the Rangers told AV they wanted DUCLAIR to participate in the WJC then he would have wanted to send DUCLAIR back to Juniors now. After all, AV is concerned about putting the best team he can on the ice. If he is going to lose an important top 6 to top 9 offensive player for a chunk of the season he has other options (HAGGERTY in particular) that he could have gone with. If DUCLAIR is a part of the equation for a hopeful Stanley Cup run in the playoffs there is no way they let him participate in the WJC.

Vic


Tue Oct 7 2014 9:04 am EST

re: LUCIC. He shouldn't be worrying anyone...he's coming off a hand injury/surgery and still isn't 100 percent.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 9:02 am EST

Messier11 - I'm pretty sure YOGAN was on his way to Greenville anyway. Lord knows if KAMPFER would have been claimed...That was a signing I just never understood...maybe it was insurance for if NOREAU made the Pack or if McILRATH made the Rangers...but that deal...all it means to me is the Pack gets a vet RW to help out...gives Yogs the fresh start he needs.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:55 am EST

Re: DIAZ...would give a guess and say he wasn't interested in riding the pine in New York...That was going to be the case...His only hope at getting into the lineup would be an injury to KLEIN or BOYLE...I think even a colossal breakdown by MOORE would mean an ALLEN callup...writing was on the wall for him...in Calgary, his chances of landing a top-6 position are good, if not guaranteed.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:47 am EST

Re: YOGAN trade...Good for him. I actually liked Yogs...he had his moments where you could see some potential...big guy...has a mean streak in him...but just never developed that gear to excel in the AHL, much less on the Rangers...change of scenery will do him good...Shame we couldn't have gotten a draft pick instead of Crabb.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:41 am EST

JFC31 - I don't think anyone's saying that's the plan with DUCLAIR...but if you look at the facts as they exist today, the chances of him being in NY come the winter are fairly remote...start with the World Juniors. If Duke makes Team Canada's starting roster as many believe he will, he's gone for basically the month of December...and at that point, the Rangers are going to be up a few too many forwards baring another injury. STEPAN'S return in mid-November means no room in the top six for him...and possibly not even in the top nine...simply math...now even if the kid is playing well enough to deserve a top-nine spot, he's going to be gone for a month(most likely) in December...then question becomes are his contributions critical enough to keep him from gaining crucial international experience against the best junior players in the world? Man, unless he's racking up a point per game, I can't see the Rangers NOT sending him to the WJC...so then really, if that's the case, they've got to plan their lineup so that pulling him out won't disrupt chemistry among the other 11 starters...then in January, do you keep him with the team...re-insert him into the lineup, or do you simply send him back to juniors where he would be the Remparts' top player? Look, I think all of us want Duke to be a phenom many here are making him out to be. The reality is, though, he's a 19-year-old kid. I don't think any of us predicted he'd get this far...and maybe you're right...he sticks around...but the facts being what they are, the odds here suggest cup of coffee...10 games with the Rangers I think is reasonable. Maybe 15...the whole season? I doubt it.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:26 am EST

Hayes to wear no. 13, Fast 19. For Fast thats two names, 3 numbers. 19 should be retired, and not for Richards.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:25 am EST

Know they won't, but I wish the Rangers would take a good look at claiming Jerry D'AMIGO, who the Jackets just put on waivers. Always loved this kid's game...no idea where he'd fit, but he'd be a good addition to fourth line...another product of the 2010 U.S. team that won the gold at the World Juniors...Kid has a scoring upside...I'd take him on the roster over MUELLER.

tdchi


Tue Oct 7 2014 8:22 am EST

JFC and OLA: I agree on DUCLAIR and yes, maybe it was a bit unfair for DIAZ. He didn't get a chance to play regular minutes. Either way, the Rangers fortunes will not be decided by who is the 7th defenseman.

Vic


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:58 am EST

the numbers game continues....15 forwards plus 1 on ir, will be cut to 14 or 13 by game 10 or so......then pick 2.....maybe 3......they'll be somewhere else.....not on the roster.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:56 am EST

Lines are horrendous. Malone's got to be in there somewhere too.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:51 am EST

The lines from NYR practice yesterday.... Chris Kreider, Marty St. Louis, Rick Nash..... Carl Hagelin, Derick Brassard, Mats Zuccarello..... Anthony Duclair, JT Miller, Lee Stempniak.... Tanner Glass, Dominic Moore, Jesper Fast..... Chris Mueller and Ryan Malone skated as extra players. Kevin Hayes did not skate due to a sore shoulder. (NYR)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:47 am EST

"I basically put it this way: If you can prove that you can play in our top nine, then you’re going to stick with us,” Vigneault said. “It doesn’t mean that he’s going to play every game, but when he plays, he has to play in our top-nine forwards. He’s going to get an opportunity, starting Thursday, to try and prove that.” In practice, Duclair skated on a line centered by 21-year-old J.T. Miller, and flanked on the right by veteran Lee Stempniak. There is no guarantee Duclair will be in the lineup Thursday, but Vigneault’s hope is Stempniak can be the calming influence on the line with the two talented youngsters. “Lee is a veteran player that sort of played in that role before with younger guys,” Vigneault said. “J.T. had a very good camp. … He’s a little bit like The Duke — he has to prove that he can play in our top nine. He has that potential. Can he do it right now? We have to give them the opportunity to show that they can do, starting Thursday.”

stevielegs


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:44 am EST

JFC- I agree completely. I am not going to guarantee that Duclair "will" hold up all year. We can't be sure of that. But many seem to assume that its a given that a 19 y/o will look good for 8 weeks and then be done for the year. Most kids would do that, but most kids wouldn't look as good as Duclair have either. There is no rule, law or other regulation that bans a 19 y/o from being able to play a full NHL year. Duclair could just as well get better during the year.

Ola


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:42 am EST

Vic- I think Boyle bumped out Diaz out of the equation. But I did however think that Diaz looked pretty good. But I mean, when he was put into the action in the POs, he had like 20 minutes of ice time from mid April if I remember correctly before being thrown into the action in the SCFs... He looked horrible then, but like not even McD could sit in the stands from like mid-April and then hit the ice in June and play in the SCFs without it showing a ton.

Ola


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:40 am EST

Why all the conjecture on Duclair being sent down after nine games?....as if it's the Rangers' plan to kindly give him a reward of 9 games for being such a nice surprise and now back to the Q with you? How about the iudea that the Rangers actually think he has a chance to make this team better and actually stick? Why does that seem to be such a crazy thing to consider? Past history of other players means nothing....I guarantee that AV is not coming to any foregone conclusions that this kid is gonna be gone after 9 games. AV was actually true to his word and he called 'em as he saw 'em....that's how Duclair made the team. BAsed on that, I think his only criteria for every player on this team is who is playing well. Those are the guys who are gonna play and who are gonna stay. If Duclair is playing well, he's going to stay. If he's not, then he's gone. But, to talk like this is an obvious 9-game cup of coffee for the kid is ridiculous IMO. It's simply put up or shut up time for him and everyone else on this squad. He'll be treated no differently IMO

JFC31


Tue Oct 7 2014 7:07 am EST

DIAZ? We saw that experiment last year and I wasn't impressed. He looked decent in his first game or two but extremely pedestrian after that. I'll take my chances with HUNWICK as the 7th over DIAZ.

Vic


Tue Oct 7 2014 4:01 am EST

....unless Duclairs play falters over the first nine.

Messier11


Tue Oct 7 2014 3:42 am EST

I think 9 games is still factoring into the Duke articles not because of any contract restriction, but because that's when Step can come off of LTIR, forcing a demotion. These writers are predicting or advocating the demotion of Duke. We'd lose the contract year for nothing. I think more likely it's Mueller or Fast, or that we pull a trade moving Stemp or even Nash.

Messier11


Tue Oct 7 2014 3:04 am EST

If a player plays more than 9 games, that year on his contract comes into effect so to speak. If you have signed a 3 year deal and plays 10 games and then is sent down, you only have 2 years left on your deal. If you play 9 games and is sent down you have 3 years left on your deal. Due to some technicallity as I understand it -- Duclair's 1st year has already come into effect. So it don't matter if we send him down after 9 or 10 games.

Ola


Tue Oct 7 2014 1:04 am EST

Hurricanes' Skinner diagnosed with concussion...... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=733262&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:49 pm EST

From what I read on Duclair, 9 games has nothing to do with it. Rangers can send him back after the 59th game if they want. Furthermore, I dont really give a hoot about Anthony Duclair's "development" right now. They made the call, they think he can contribute. If he cant, he's outta here.simple. Development isnt a priority this year. That was the past 15 years. It took forever but finally we have a team. Or most of it. This year is about winning. It'd better be. Roster is messy. Some of it cant be helped, lots of guys vying for jobs. Step's injury throws things out of whack. The players will help sort it out now.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:43 pm EST

Rhet0ric has a good point. Maybe something has changed for Diaz since July, because I don't know that he will be in Calgary's top six on opening night.

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:35 pm EST

New Rangers captain.... https://twitter.com/hashtag/BigAppleElite?src=hash

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:31 pm EST

DuCLAIR= I agree with the majority that Duclair gets a 9 game taste of the NHL and then gets sent down to Juniors for loads of ice team and building of character and leadership.... NYRs don't need another Malhottra reprise where a 19YO is playing 5 minutes a game and not getting enough ice time to develop and grow...

schneidw


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:28 pm EST

MESS11- That is an excellent post... Signing Diaz really would have been the preferred 7th RH defenseman option... cheaper and more roster flexibility... Sather went on a signing rampage for AHL fodder for reasons unknown.... great point...

schneidw


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:26 pm EST

Hig21- trade Staal really??? let me guess, to Vancouver for Higgins?

schneidw


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:12 pm EST

Not to worry, when Staal is traded, it'll be down to three, or will Nash get it?

Higgy21


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:06 pm EST

Really Rhet? Ok tnx. Hadnt realized Why not name 20 & make it completely meaningless? Whatever. I liked Diaz. Sather seems to kick some of these guys aside like old girlfriends.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:02 pm EST

MESS.... I'm not sure Diaz would have re-signed with us. He said he went to Calgary because he wanted a chance to play regularly. Something we could not offer him.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:53 pm EST

MZA leads by example and doesn't back down from anyone.

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:52 pm EST

Could have saved about 1.5 million if signed Diaz and skipped hunwick kostka kampfer, kept Yogan and avoided crabs all at once

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:47 pm EST

Rabid.... We've done it before. 2 at home and 2 away. I have no problem with it ....MESS.... Step has been a Captain at other levels. Zuc is the team cut up and he plays a more important role. Keeping guys loose.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:40 pm EST

And since when do they give out 4 A's? Must everything be prostituted? 2 As, 1 C. Why is that so hard?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:37 pm EST

Anthony Duclaw: http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6748/anthony-duclair-one-on-one-it-s-just-an-amazing-feeling#.VDNDp2ddVTs

mf


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:35 pm EST

Good for McD. But letters dont mean much. JFC, agreed. Maloney seemed to be talking about man strength. Nothing Duke can there but wait. But his teammates better gave this kid's back.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:29 pm EST

MZA would have been my fourth A instead of Stepan

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:28 pm EST

McDonagh, our 27th Captain: .. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=733282&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:24 pm EST

Congrats to Captain McD! He'll make a hood captain....he has the respect of his team mates, he works hard and he's going to be a perpetual Norris candidate.

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:24 pm EST

Is buster on the roster or waived too? Or swinging from the old vine ?

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 8:08 pm EST

Rabid....I'm with you loved Haggerty. Not sure why he wasn't part of the conversation. He becomes our Lucic.

MelvilleFred


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:59 pm EST

NYR‬ defenseman Ryan McDonagh has been named the 27th captain in franchise history. Dan Girardi, Martin St. Louis, Marc Staal, and Derek Stepan will serve as the Rangers’ four alternate captains.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:57 pm EST

Congratulations to new Captain McD ! Good choice !

stepunmytoe


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:25 pm EST

The 9 games thing is a bit of a different issue for Duclair, because it doesn't matter regarding his contract. However, I think it coincides with Stepan's return, but as far as Juniors go, he can't be recalled until after his season ends once he is returned, so if they keep him for 6 games, he goes back, they can't call him back for the remaining three.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:18 pm EST

JFC.... I'm just wondering where the 9-game thing comes from. He burns off a year no matter how many games he plays and Step is out for at least 10 games so it makes me curious. FYI, even if Step is ready to come back sooner, he now has to stay out for the first 10 games(due to being put on LTIR).

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:17 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/06/rangers-pull-strings-to-keep-phenom-anthony-duclair-on-roster/

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:09 pm EST

stevie -- I doubt Lucic even knows who Duclair is or even gives a crap. He'll play him the same way he plays anyone else. Why would Duclair be any more targeted than say, Brassard? Brass is very slight, not heavy at all. Zucc is a shrimp. Neither one becomes a target just because they're small. This idea that a rookie is like a piece of fresh meat for the grizzly vets just doesn't click with me. Yeah, if a young guy's inexperience and/or youthful exuberance causes them to be in a vulnerable position, ANY NHL vet is gonna lower the boom....but that goes for any player. It's not like NHL vets sniff out the rookies and chase them down because they think the rookies are ready victims. Just MO, of course. I just don't see it as an issue.

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:02 pm EST

Rhet -- Cerny and Duclair himself mentioned that he doesn't just want to be up here for 9 games....

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 6:59 pm EST

RR -- what Maloney was saying wasn't that Duclair wasn't in good condition....he was saying that a 19 year olds top conditioning level is not as good as an experienced vets is. I wasn't sure what he was getting at, but I think he was talking about the fact that he's still growing, doesn't have his full body strength, and isn't as used to the banging around that goes along with NHL-level conditioning. As for Malone, my guess is that he's still feeling that hip flexor barking a bit and they are going to go slow with him to start. AV also made a point of saying that Duke might not be in every game, but when he is in he needs to show top-9 talent. So, maybe Malone is going yo swap out with Fast, Miller &'Duke....at least until he has full strength in that flexor.

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 6:54 pm EST

moof you think lucic is afraid of Malone or kreider. or they will target a b-ruin....lol....glass will fight him, but that won't stop the freight train wreck......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 6:44 pm EST

Could be CM. one thing that sticks out in my mind is Dave Maloney said during pratice Duke maybe not in the best condition. Thatll show over time if so. But hes also do young he can probably skate forever. Agree on 10-game trial for everyone. Impossible to know how theyll play as a team with split squads and many new faces. Should be good, but championship caliber? IDK.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 6:44 pm EST

With Malone & or Krieder in the line-up, Lucic does not worry me...

mf


Mon Oct 6 2014 5:58 pm EST

Flames sign Raphael Diaz to a 1 year, $700K deal

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 5:54 pm EST

What am I missing? Why is everyone stuck on 9 games before Duclair gets sent down. Stepan is out for at least 10 games being on LTIR. BTW, the Leafs waived McLaren and Orr today.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 5:17 pm EST

CM they're lucky not to play Boston in the first 9....lucic would love to crown duke éclair......I'm sure he'll have a target on him from the dirt bag players.....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:50 pm EST

Rabid- I think Duclair is around for 9 games max, especially if he only plays on the third line with Miller. I think Haggerty will be up soon enough, as he seems like the guy that can have the most impact on scoring. But the first ten games of the season are one big audition before Step gets back.At that point, someone is going to have to go, and I don't see DUKE sticking around, no matter how solid he is defensively, unless he is scoring goals on a regular basis. If he's not, you're better off sending him to junior and being in the Memorial Cup as a stud. Goal scorers need to be confident and I worry about Duclair's confidence if he doesn't find the back of the net early. If Duke lights it up and Miller is playing consistently well, then I guess maybe the roster looks something like it looks now. If not, I see Haggerty and Lindberg and Malone in and Duke in Juniors, Miller and Hayes in Hartford.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:41 pm EST

Vic,mAV was just saying he told Duclair as long as he shows he can play in Top 9 he'll stick. .....also said they're still looking at one or two things. Good.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:16 pm EST

Didn't mean nut but it fits some besides new thanks to iphone bs... New = nut oh well .. If shoe fits buy a new pair...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:13 pm EST

Hospo seems to be a new word for some nut fans and mgmt.... Rangerophila ... Thanks to the cap and the romance of home grown kids... I'll take Malone and stempi in the lineup.... I want to win the finals and that takes a special breed of TEAM... Experience ... Hopefully the guys who lost last season know how to win it all this season....starting with hank , and nash, if he's still here by then ....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:10 pm EST

I don't understand the line combos for practice. First, why have KREIDER with MZA and BRASSARD for a few preseason games and then go split them up especially after they looked like they may be starting to gel. Second, the preseason MSL Center experiment was a failure in my book. MSL should be on the wing where he belongs. I definitely keep MALONE and MILLER together for now. HAGS is a good complement for MALONE as he brings speed to the line. Personally, I like the idea of starting DUCLAIR on the 4th line for the first few games of the season. Tell the kid to focus on his defensive game and take the offensive opportunities that come. Having GLASS on his line would provide some early muscle in case anyone gets stupid. I also would try HAYES in the middle of NASH and MSL. His passing ability is terrific. He would also add some size to an otherwise soft line.

Vic


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:09 pm EST

Meant to add, AV said he likes all but one of JT Miller's games. JT looked better to me, but mostly just a jacked up version of last year. Even when Step gets back, this lineup doesnt truly excite me. It could. But for one, these line combos AV dreamt up look like shit to me. Gut feel; I think this team is going to need a trade, unless these kids really step up.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:05 pm EST

CM: Stepan it is! :) My dad's first name was Stephan - hence my typo...

Ranger47


Mon Oct 6 2014 4:04 pm EST

Posted on the trade, don't know what happened to it. Mess you said it; Uh. At least get us something useful. Yogan's not a bad player, just hasn't stayed healthy. OK, AV make some remarks. Said he and the whole organization feels safe with Fast, pretty obvious back to last year AV likes him. Idk, just have the feeling they missed somehow we these camp moves. The UFA signings earlier were fine, better than fine actually. But these don't seem like they addressed holes. Duclair forces Malone out, not what we need. Fast & Stempniak are redundant. Hopefully Hayes helps in the middle. But Haggerty to me was the kid straining to make the team. Maybe as quick as Duclair, scored the most spectacular goals of preseason, is bigger & sturdier, a righty to help the PP, and more acclimated with the team. Idk. Wait-n-see.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:56 pm EST

CM/PROFESA - Agree with both of you on the lines, the best location for DUCLAIR (not with MILLER!) and the need for MALONE to be in there...FAST or Stemp would be my extra forward especially against the two physical teams (St. Louis, CBJ) that the Rangers open up against..But it's a long season and things will be learned either way

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:38 pm EST

Krushelynski

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:36 pm EST

Who was that other young player that impressed along with Tolchinsky, and we had to pass on both bc of contract #? Oilers legacy player, I believe. Euro

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:33 pm EST

rf4l they'll be making the decisions on duke éclair and others between game 9 and 20.......the real preseason......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:31 pm EST

cm cake? as in crab cake? they got the original tarzan's son ....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:31 pm EST

So because of that trade it's clear Duclair officially made the team. Good for him, but I'm yet to be convinced the Rangers are doing the right thing here. Their track record with teenagers turning pro isn't an encouraging precedent. I sure hope Duclair is indeed, ready and if not, the Rangers don't bumble getting him back to juniors.

RF4L


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:30 pm EST

And the Rangers can afford to go over (or right up to) the contract limit where other teams can't, so making a deal like the Yogan/Kampfer is a piece of cake for them.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:28 pm EST

Rhet- I think some of those signings are insurance policies for the most part. Sather believes you need 9 NHL ready D-men signed in order to make a cup run. Sure, he could have left it to chance that Kampfer would be willing to come as a tryout, but that doesn't guarantee that he doesn't have a contract somewhere else. As for the Chris Bourque signing, I think a couple of things were in play. He could have gone back to Europe, so I'm sure a guaranteed contract was important. He's been an AHL stud, but is definitely a decent call-up. The other factor is that the Rangers own the Wolfpack (not the Baldwin Whale) and they want ticket sales. The Bourque brothers is a draw for New England types, especially fans that hope old Ray might be in the crowd.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:25 pm EST

I meant I'd like a line with HAGS-MILLER-MALONE

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 3:22 pm EST

HOSPO- Duclair won the rookie award, not Hayes. The Hayes injury (shoulder- not serious) must have something to do with the roster because the Ranger website mentions FAST, DUCLAIR and MILLER but does not mention HAYES. The Rangers are one over the roster limit at this time, so Either HAYES or MUELLER have to go to Hartford by tomorrow. My question was whether an injury can mean you can go over the roster limit for a few days, or if it is just WAIVERS that require a player be healthy. I liked Hayes as a guy who protects the puck and is pretty intimidating when he comes blazing down the ice. Brian BOYLE had the height, but was a weaker and much lighter version of HAYES. PROFESSA- I like your lines better than AV's as well, but it's early. He prefers duos, so I imagine he is trying to build the chemistry or at least see if any is there in different combinations. I'd go: DUCLAIR-ST. LOUIS-NASH, KREIDER-BRASS-ZUCC, HAGELIN-MILLER-FAST, GLASS-MOORE-MALONE (Although there might not be enough speed on the 4th line so I guess Malone and Fast could switch, but I think MALONE-MILLER has proven to be a great combo and HAGS would be an excellent compliment with those guys.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:35 pm EST

I don't like these lines...Too top heavy...I'd like to see Malone in there too. Kreider-Brass-Zucc Duclair-MSL-Nash Stempniak-Miller-Malone Hagelin-Moore-Fast. Top 3 lines have a big power forward, and there is no 4th line in the NHL that can keep up with Hagelin, Moore, Fast. I don't like Duke with Miller and Stempniak I think he needs to be with vets like MSL and Nash. We have so much depth on the wings but literally none at center.

professa


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:33 pm EST

RHET - Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Actually, I don't think AV sees GLASS as just muscle, I think he sees him as a solid skater, checker , shot blocker, smart player that is by defaut the Rangers only protector...I think he will play just about every game if healthy..but also feel it is likely that he gets hurt given the way he plays...60-70 is a good range....

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:16 pm EST

This is what stopped us from getting tolchinsky last year, I think

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:14 pm EST

Hospo... Glass has never played a full season in his career. Add to it that AV has showN that he is more inclined to play muscle in match ups and not on an every day basis. IMO, Malone will almost play every day, but Glass will play more like 66-72 games.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:06 pm EST

Is HAYES injury anything significant? I haven't see any reference to it.... I guess I wasn't as impressed (for the here and now) with HAYES as the media was with their award....But, if healthy, still 15 forwards.........CM - I would play GLASS and MALONE every game that their bodies let them...A needed ingredient for the Rangers,

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:05 pm EST

Ranger47- Just busting your chops, but you do know it's STEPAN not STEPHAN? ;-)

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 2:02 pm EST

Mess... True. I didn't get the Kampfer or Chris Bourque signings at all. Every year we act like contracts are burning a hole in our pocket.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:43 pm EST

Did Hayes officially make it? It seems like he might not have been sent down because of his injury, as I don't think you can reassign an injured player. I wonder if he is the 24th guy on the roster come Tuesday if it's okay since he is injured? I guess MUELLER or HAYES along with MALONE are the extra forwards and Hayes could still go down if Mueller isn't claimed.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:38 pm EST

no its not the end of the world. Its just sloppy. Yogan would have played regularly in Hartford. Crabb will be this years Asham down there. Not quite as bad, but a vet who will only play so many games.

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:31 pm EST

Also think having both Malone and Hayes is an upgrade over just Boyle in terms of team size. Got to like where the team is headed out of the gates. Hopefully they come out fast and prove they are the elite of the Metropolitan Division.

Ranger47


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:31 pm EST

After being held scoreless in his last six, Pavel Buchnevich had a goal and two assists earlier Monday..... http://video.khl.ru/quotes/246261

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:28 pm EST

BTW - Like having Fast on the team...he can eat a lot of the PK minutes which Stephan would have taken. Possibly Jan Erixon 2?

Ranger47


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:27 pm EST

That is, if he has a chance of making it to the NHL, it will be with Florida and not the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:25 pm EST

Hoping Mueller makes it through waivers since he could be a valuable black ace, especially if MSL struggles at center or we have another C injury before Stephan is back and ready to go.

Ranger47


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:25 pm EST

Mess.... I don't like giving up a 22 year old player, but Yogan is still a career AHL'er.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:21 pm EST

we had to give up Yogan and take on Crabb because of all these redundant training camp contracts. Kampfer, Kostka, Hunwick, Lombardi should have been PTOs

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:20 pm EST

Good trade since Kampfer was not cracking this lineup and it sends Yogan back home to Florida where he may get to flourish and play.

Ranger47


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:19 pm EST

Yes, it opens up a contract for Duclair and then Crabb will be an UFA in the offseason opening up another one for next year.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:18 pm EST

ugh

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:13 pm EST

So, does that 2-for-1 trade open up the space for Duke?

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:13 pm EST

Guess that reduces the contract number by 1? A Ranger draft pick ffrom when, 10-15 years ago? Remember him Jake Taylor and Nate Guenin all played for the Green Bay Gamblers...Anyway, a Hartford player.

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:08 pm EST

Joey "Don't call me Buster" Crabb

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:05 pm EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers OFFICIAL: #NYR Have acquired acquired forward Joey Crabb from Florida in exchange for defenseman Steven Kampfer and forward Andrew Yogan.

puckyou


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:03 pm EST

Budaj on waivers within 24 of being traded

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:52 pm EST

Might be hoping Mueller gets claimed per Cyrag lis/Post. Solves the 50 problem.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:36 pm EST

Hospo....We still have to get rid of a contract before the first game for Duclair. I'm wondering what's in the works(however minor it is).

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:35 pm EST

15 healthy forwards with Hayes, Mueller, Duclair, Fast..No way they keep 15..maybe not even 14..right?.

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:29 pm EST

AV just said Mueller might not go to Htfd if he clears. Hockey is always different here.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:20 pm EST

Fast must be insurance for if Mueller is claimed.

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:18 pm EST

RABID.... I'm wondering if a deal was made for Mueller and that's why he was put on waivers so late to clear up a contract. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:14 pm EST

Step to LTIR. NYR announce roster, as expected now. Includes Hayes n Mueller who they just waived. Ok. Whatever. The Lion will roar LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:09 pm EST

Have the Rangers moved MILLER back to wing or one of the 3rd-4th centers (with Moore)?..Can't say I'm crazy about St. Louis at C and having top players playing out of position..Can be a rcipe for disaster...Even if only until Step comes back.

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:53 am EST

And I really don't understand the thought that it's a given that Duclair s going to be a marked man and the big, bad NHL vets are gonna lay him out. Lots of folks here said that's the same thing that would happen to Zucc. Duclair already weighs more than Zucc and he's alot taller. Yeah, he's got a 19 year-old build, but 185 lbs. is still 185 lbs. He is quick, he has good awareness and he is poised. He did not play a water-bug, helter-skelter, "scared" kind of speed game....as if he was trying to go as fast as he could to keep from getting hit. He played hockey the way it should be played and he was just fine. He went HARD to the net with and without the puck, he went to the dirty areas of the ice and he pushed back when he was hit hard. The kid is a hockey player and he ain't made of glass.

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:53 am EST

Blue Jackets, Johansen 3 years 12 mil...he should now be pulling his hammy any second.

shonuff


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:52 am EST

Yeah everyone cleared waivers except Mueller who just went on. Hmmm..... Kreider-Thorton-Nash sounds good about now LOL. TD? Whaddayasay?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:50 am EST

Duclair-Miller-Stemp. Glass-Moore-Fast.Malone 13th. How the heck is that? Only practice..... But Bugsy's got to be in there.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:49 am EST

Did G Cedric Dejardins clear waivers?

mf


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:42 am EST

1st two lines in practice are Kreider-MSL-Nash. Hags-Brass-Zuc.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:39 am EST

RR-- oh, great! very happy for the kid....he deserves to make this team!

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:39 am EST

RAngers are definitely trying to make room for Duclair....1st they waive 3 guys, then when they clear, they waive Mueller, who had a pretty good camp. When I heard AV wax poetic about Duclair, I knew he was an odds-on favorite to make the club....AV didn't just talk in generalities about Duclair, he was very specific. He didn't just say the usual....great speed, sees the ice well, great shot, etc....he talked about what Duclair does that makes him special such as (paraphrase) " there's this little thing he does when he's carrying the puck, a quick change of direction, that freezes the opposition and helps open up the ice for his team mates....and you can't teach that."....that indicated to me that he felt that Duclair made this team BETTER and that's why I thought (and think) that Duclair will make this team if they can move a contract.

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:34 am EST

Yup JFC. Duclair just confirmed to Zippay.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:32 am EST

Has Duclair officially made this team? If he has, he made it for one simple reason: he was one of the best forwards in camp. Period. That's the way it should be. Conjecturing about what might happen as the season progresss should have nothing to do with the fact that RIGHT NOW he is one of the top 12 forwards on the team. That makes him AV's criteria for playing the guys who give him the best chance to win. If that becomes no longer the case, which I doubt, then he will be sent back to the Q. In the mean time, he deserves to show that he is an NHL player....if he does that, then we've got a special talent on our hands and our Cup chances and our future teams look very, very bright

JFC31


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:31 am EST

Hmm, guiess I missed HAYES? That wuld make 15 forwards, no? Does some good stuff and will be a top Ranger some day, but think he could beneift ALOT from time in the AHL..

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:31 am EST

Hayes still with team Hospo. Could go to IR or get sent down. Hunwick was the 7th till he met up with Kreider. Dunno now... Mueller now on waivers, bit of a crazy day.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:28 am EST

Maybe GMs collectively smell opportunity to force Sather into deal. pay to lose a contract, keep Duke.

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:28 am EST

OK, been out of touch since Friday morning, but am I right in saying there are 14 forwards (disregard the lines for a moment) left in Nash-Miller-Kreider;MZA-Brass-Malone;Hags-Moore-St. Louis, Glass-Mueller-Stemp, Duclair (obviously not a bench player) and Fast?..Plus, Hunwick is the 7th D-man?

Hospo


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:27 am EST

maybe just a second attempt at dropping a contract. No one bit last night.

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:24 am EST

Bickel beat out Falk!

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:21 am EST

Now Mueller on waivers? I'm confused.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:11 am EST

Good guess, Mess. Idk. Leonard says its been building for days. Bryz waived by Wild. Stu Bickel apparently makes cut for Minn. Good for him.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:09 am EST

Zip: all waived players clear

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:09 am EST

MSL upset that Miller cant step up to #2 C, forcing him off RW?

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:08 am EST

Miller upset that MSL spoils chance for #2 C?

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 11:01 am EST

St Louis apparently blasted Miller with a shoulder to the chest in practice. Dunno what that's all about, but Nash separated the two. Vic, that's cool. Style points don't matter, just points. Said as long as they're not catching him (Hayes), all good in the hood. Wouldn't mind a Thorton trade today LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:46 am EST

Kreider's skate got Hunwick. Kid's a wrecking ball.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:28 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 2m2 minutes ago In #NYR practice, Malone and Mueller extra fowards as lines emerge. MSL at center

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:27 am EST

3 yrs for Johansson with CBJs. $4m per says Bob McK. Rangers & Sens trying to move a forward per the Fourth Period. Everyone says more moves coming today but who's left? Idk. Hunwick gushing blood (nose) at practice apparently. Recall McIlrath!!!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:27 am EST

HRIVIK, LINDBERG and HAGGERTY all played well enough to make the team. It is just a numbers game. RR: I disagree on your assessment of HAYES' play. I saw nothing painful in watching him. Quite the opposite actually. He is tall and gangly. It may not look pretty when he skates but he appears to be deceptively fast because I didn't see him have any trouble keeping up with the play. Also, he is damn strong on those skates because it takes some strength and ability to shield the puck like he does. The kid can play. On the DUCLAIR argument, I don't get what some of you are all worked up about. The kid does not look like he is in over his head either mentally or physically in the slightest. He is nothing like MDZ as a player and MDZ's off ice issue hurt his career far more then being kept as a 19 year old. If you want to make the argument that being kept as a 19 year old was what caused him to become a party animal I'm not buying it for a second. MDZ would have partied either way. In fact, his parting could have kept him out of the NHL all together had he not gotten a shot to stick with the Rangers at 19. Also, MDZ's biggest issue as a player is his skating sucks. DUCLAIR is an entirely different person and from what I have heard him say so far he is a much more mature kid then MDZ ever was (and probably is now). If the kid deserves to be here then he should be here. If he is NHL ready then so be it. From what I saw he is NHL ready. If his play drops off dramatically over the next few weeks the Rangers can send him back down. Lets give him the chance to show he belongs or not.

Vic


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:20 am EST

Zipay: McIlrath reassigned

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:11 am EST

Orr, McLaren too

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:06 am EST

Westgarth released by Edmonton. These pure goons just cant cut it anywhere

Messier11


Mon Oct 6 2014 10:01 am EST

Hrivic Lindberg Haggerty assigned to Hartford. More cuts to come per Evan Sporer.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:57 am EST

Zippay tweets Fast out warming up goalies, surmises he made the cut. NY Post outright surmised Mueller made cut based on Lombardi being waivd. No sourcing nor quotes from anyone in management.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:57 am EST

TD: Re MDZ - yep, it was stupid to have him turn pro at 19. Stupid. I called it then and somehow, despite being vindicated, hardly feel smug about it. There's no guarantee that sending him back would have changed where his career has gone of course, but it certainly wouldn't have hurt him. I know Duclair has impressed, but I am hoping he goes back regardless. If he makes the club today, I sure hope the Rangers are willing to admit their mistake and send him back if/when he struggles in the next several weeks.

RF4L


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:33 am EST

kitchen - I'll never forget the first game I saw DEL ZOTTO...was in Boston in pre-season as he was vying for a spot on D. The kid had an INCREDIBLE outlet pass...he could thread a goddamn needle...and with GABORIK's skating, it was a lethal combo. Kid was nailing those passes the whole game. Think I even came on here and gushed about how incredible he looked. No one on the Rangers then or even since was/has been able to thread cross-ice passes like DZ was doing. Was a thing of beauty...so I see why the Rangers kept him and agreed with the decision back then. But in truth, the kid needed to go back to juniors to work on his defense. It wasn't a glaring deficiency in his game then because no one really cared about his defense then. But as teams caught on to his one trick, it became almost wholly ineffective...and then the warts of his game came into clear view. Would have juniors changed that? Who knows. What we do know is that keeping him here that year was the WRONG choice. Rangers lucked out when they got KLEIN for DZ. Was pretty blisteringly clear when the rangers forwards were using him as a pylon against Philly the other night.

tdchi


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:32 am EST

Meant to add, flip side to Hayes being here is they can easily throw together a line of Malone (6-4), Hayes (6-5) and Nash (6-4) which is ....ummmm......not small. Don't think that'll be the pairing, Malone & Miller seem to be AV likes so far. But who knows?

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:29 am EST

Gotta say (in typically obnoxious fashion) who gives a flying hoot about Duclair burning a year on his ELC? We're going to worry about when this kid hits free agency? Already? I'm more concerned with how Hayes is going to fit with this group. It was painful watching this kid in open ice trying to get up to speed. Just surprised in I didn't see all that much besides one no-look pass from behind the net, and again would've went with a prospect who can skate and be counted on defensively. I'm also mildly surprised Duclair got the nod over Haggerty, who had I thought had the best camp, the best ' I'm ready for the NHL rigors' camp of all the prospects.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 6 2014 9:24 am EST

rhet0ric - ahhh...sorry man. I misread completely. I was under the understanding that the clock on DUCLAIR started ticking after he plays his first game in the NHL, not after he signed his first contract. Either way, I'm still not comfortable keeping the guy at this level, just because I really don't see him keeping pace with his preseason. Obviously, though, if the Rangers feel he has nothing else to learn in juniors, it's the only place he can stay to keep an elevated level of competition and coaching. He'll get more of everything in New York. I just have a feeling he's gonna end up back in the Q at some point this season. Who knows? Maybe the extra coaching in NY will do him solid.

tdchi


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:41 am EST

And I mean, Duclair is 19 y/o this year. Some players make it when they are 18, Bergeron in Boston played when he was 18 for example. There is a big diffrence between 18 and 19...

Ola


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:39 am EST

stevie- I agree if its a grey areas. But look at McKinnon. Yes, Duclair is not McKinnon II, I know that. But that is a kid who was ready and then just got better each month while playing in the NHL. Duclair is older this year than McKinnon was last year. He has shown that he is ready in the games he have played. He could of course regress during the year, there is a bit of a risk here. But there is a risk in returning him too, the Q is not much of a challenge for him. And while the WJC and Memorial Cup would help, its quite possible that he would develop more in the NHL and become a better player down the road compared to returning to the Q. Someone like McKinnon would definitely have been hurt by playing junior one more year.

Ola


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:24 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/michael-del-zotto

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 7:22 am EST

I have to respectfully disagree. Other than the occasionally successful home run passes and crunching hits, what did Del Zotto due well. Duclair seems to do all rather well. Let's see how he fares. He can always be sent back.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 6 2014 6:53 am EST

OLA there are laws against him sitting at a bar or having a beer in many places being under 21... That considered a rule? .... Usually it's better to err on the side of caution .... It's better than possibly having another delzero ...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 6 2014 6:15 am EST

TD- seems to be some confusion regarding Dukes contract- he has already burned his first year- so the 10 game rule doesn't apply to him. Apparently, if he plays over 40 games, might burn a second year. It turns out that because Duclair signed his latest contract after a certain deadline was up, for some reason, that whether or not the Rangers have him make the team right out of training camp or not, that he is still going to lose a year off of his entry level contract. So no matter what, Duclair’s entry level deal will be 2 years instead of 3. Now if Duclair does make the team right out of training camp, the number of years on his deal could decrease to just 1 year, but that is only if he plays in 40 games for the Rangers this season.

puckyou


Mon Oct 6 2014 1:58 am EST

Good that DUCLAIR made it, there is no law that says that you can't be ready when you are 19-20, and so far Duclair has shown that he looks ready. He can any time during the season be sent down if we feel that we made the wrong call. On HAYES, I think he has had the most underrated camp so far. Not because how mature and polish he has been, but because THE PLAYER HE HAS SHOWN THAT HE CAN BECOME. There are 6 centers in this league 6'5 or bigger (Steckel, Boyle, Hanzal, Thornton, and two more). Its very hard to play center when you are that big. But Hayes has shown that he can handle the puck at this level; fire the puck at this level, skate with the puck at this level; make moves with the puck at this level; and especially PROTECT the puck around the boards at this level against guys like Seabrook and everyone else. I remember when the Sedins as rookies made the NHL. I had played against them and followed them very closely before that. They were 6'2 and 205-210 lbs, but they where just thrown around the ice. Its impressive when a young kid, who isn't 19 anymore but still, like Hayes is as strong on the puck as he is. Its not all about size and strength, a lot about it is about technich too etc. He might not become Keith Primaue II but he will become a huge asset for us down the line. I thought he would be more of a project than he is.

Ola


Mon Oct 6 2014 12:24 am EST

OAN: SEAN DAY the 16 year old defenseman draft eligible and predicted to go high in the first round of the 2016 draft.. The kid is listed as 6'2" 225lbs, he's a LHS ...... http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/10/01/ohler_sean_days_sophomore_year_could_be_exceptional.html

mf


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:50 pm EST

I'm going to guess that Stempniak is 13 and Mueller is 14. Fast get's sent down but will be one of the first recalls.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:47 pm EST

I forgot to mention that Malone is also confirmed to have made the NYR roster(though not officially) ....MF.... Yeah, me too :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:27 pm EST

FWIW, IMO, given his play and Sather's love of having his prospects turn pro prematurely, Duclair won't get cut.

RF4L


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:26 pm EST

Funny thing is, for as closely as everyone follows prospects, Id bet there isnt a single Ranger fan in the world who picked a Hayes-Duclair-Hunwick trifecta! There was no way to know we'd sign Hayes; everyone knew Duke had a big year but no one couldve predicted hed make this kind of splash, and I wouldnt know Hunwick from a hole in the wall. Hayes probably doesnt make it were it not for Step's injury, but he did & he did. Interesting lineup. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:45 pm EST

Hey, the coaches made their calls. They see these kids more & more upclose than anyone. AND they know their battle plan. The real competition isnt amongst ourselves but with the rest of the NHL. Maybe one more kid (Fast?) Sticks. And thats it. Thats the team.... for now.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:31 pm EST

If Lombardi or Lindberg did not beat out Hayes, then it is fine that he makes it. Kid is big, smart and has good hands.

Bob


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:28 pm EST

Hayes in per BC Hockey citing very good source

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:14 pm EST

No problem if the Duke goes down. Nothing wrong with him getting a taste though. I am really indifferent either way. I do think he has earned a couple games in the NHL. If he goes down, they can give Haggerty a shot.

Bob


Sun Oct 5 2014 8:18 pm EST

Assuming MSL continues to play center, having the Duke here for 9 games provides the least upset to the team since the other lines will not be affected when Stephan returns to take the C on that line with the Duke then sent back to the Q.

Ranger47


Sun Oct 5 2014 7:21 pm EST

Rhet: I read your post's, just can't understand them. :-) ..... Hey, sometimes everyone is right & it's a judgment call... We certainly needed offense last night, and we had Duclair in the lineup.. When we hit our scoring dry spells and The Duke isn't in the line-up people here are going to be posting, " WHY don't they call him up?" ..... As Ranger Fans, we have a lot to be grateful for; surprised everyone including ourselves going to the SCF's last season; we're witnessing a strong youth movement after years of watching draft picks traded away; and now the NYR brain trust has to whittle us down to 13 when there's plenty of Depth and Diversity..... good dilemma's ....... Send the kid to the Q if MSL is playing RW... Let him dominate before graduating him..... JMHO from the CJAC !

mf


Sun Oct 5 2014 7:12 pm EST

Hayes and Duclair reportedly hitting it off. posting selfies on twitter.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 6:57 pm EST

I should specify that he burns off the first year of his PRO contract because of when he signed his Junior level deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 6:43 pm EST

TD.... It goes back to my theory that no one really reads my posts. Which is okay because most of the time I bore myself or am largely unreadable :) .... DUCLAIR burns off the first year of his contract whether he plays a game for the Rangers or not because of when he signed his contract(he has no slide year next year regardless of where he plays). That being the case, why not have him here? The kid was a stand out in camp and should be here until he shows he can't hack it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:47 pm EST

Wrong again! Thought the Duke was Q bound but good for him. His development isvfine either way, but he learns more here. Main thing theyre thinking is it helps replace some of Steps offense. Cant blame'm.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:42 pm EST

Rhet0ric - agree it makes no sense...but neither does burning a year of the kid's entry level so he can go between low minutes and riding the pine. I dunno...maybe the Rangers feel keeping him around the big club will benefit him sort of in the way it did HAGGERTY.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:38 pm EST

Messier11 - I could be wrong, but DUCLAIR'S success I attribute to three things...first and foremost, that he's actually a future star...but second, because he's exploiting less talented/lesser conditioned players...and third, that no one in the league knows him...those other two things are going to change in a hurry once the season starts...now do I think he has the talent to succeed? Maybe...but not at 19. Yes, he's a supremely talented player...but what he needs most ideally is to be in the A...and since that's not possible, then the Q. He won't last in the NHL...no doubt in my mind he ends up back in the Q...and thus, there's absolutely no reason to keep him for nine games...10 games...Yes, it's burning a year off his contract...and in my opinion, that's a stupid thing to do with a player who will one day command a high salary...Stupid move by the Rangers on so many different levels. I don't care what the kid did in pre-season.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:12 pm EST

TD- what do you mean UNLESS he lights it up? And we are burning the year regardless. Not a consideration.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:00 pm EST

TD/Stevie.... I see no problems with giving the kid a taste. It drives many prospects to get back there as soon as possible. Who knows? Maybe he lights it up this year. The real problem for Duclair is that he can't be sent to the AHL. He is so close, but because of his age he has to go back to the Q(a League that he's out grown and can learn very little in anymore, IMO). That's what really makes no sense.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 4:42 pm EST

Keeping DUCLAIR makes zero sense. None at all..Unless the kid lights it up, he's going back to juniors at some point...and it's not like the Rangers need another nine games to figure out what the kid has in his box of tricks or whether he can handle NHL-speed...best for his development would be to head back to juniors now...and save that year on his contract. Like I said yesterday...kid is going to be gone the month of December anyway...and I could almost guarantee he's headed back to juniors at some point this year...Great prospect, but the last thing the Rangers need is to with a kid like that is bounce him around two different levels of competition. Hope that guy is wrong.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 4:33 pm EST

rhet I don't care about his contract, that year is burnt. there is no need to rush this kid, zero minus 2 sather's ego and veenyo being greedy....do what's best for the kid....send him back to the juniors after 9 games unless he's the new skidney......

stevielegs


Sun Oct 5 2014 4:11 pm EST

Stevie.... Without sounding like a broken record.... Because of Duclair's age (19) and when he signed (Jan. 2, 2014), his entry-level contact will not "slide" this season. So, he will burn the first year of that three-year deal in 2014-15 whether or not he plays in the NHL ....Rabid.... Yup. I'd much rather watch a young guy struggle than a Christensen re-tread. There's always 1 or 2 head scratchers with Sather every year :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 3:55 pm EST

stevie: Agreed!!

RF4L


Sun Oct 5 2014 3:43 pm EST

Sather and veenyo probably will determine duke éclair by game 9. I'm not for keeping him up after that. most kids brains are not developed enough emotionally to handle it. and the nyr tend to not be good with kids' minds . they can't even fix Nash's. way too much pressure for young kids. it's a rare case they can get it, especially playing in nyc. they have to be given kid glove treatment. the opposition will try to give him another concussion. The nyr are not that desperate to need to take that big of a gamble......

stevielegs


Sun Oct 5 2014 3:24 pm EST

BREAKING: Per @j_filosa, Anthony Duclair has been told he’s being kept by the Rangers.

professa


Sun Oct 5 2014 3:20 pm EST

Jeez Rhet, you gave me the willies with that one. EC reminds of Torts saying hes showing signs and its just bad BAD. Thankfully is is now good. Mostly. I wouldnt mind a Thorton trade about now. Tmrw could be a different answer though.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 2:49 pm EST

If Fast makes it, it is a win for the home grown brigade. Would like to see Hrivik, Lindberg and McIlrath make it this year at some point.

Bob


Sun Oct 5 2014 2:40 pm EST

On Mueller, I called it before the preseason even started. Sather loves his reclamation projects. He is almost literally Erik Christensen 2.0

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 2:35 pm EST

According to Renaud Lavoie, the Rangers have placed Matthew Lombardi, Michael Kostka and Steven Kampfer on waivers with the intention of sending them to Hartford... I thought there was a chance that Lombardi or Kostka would stick around once they cleared waivers, but I guess not. It's also doubtful that any of these players get picked up by another team ....TD.... I am not concerned with the Rangers loss at all. What concerns me most is that none of the guys looking to clinch a roster spot really stepped up yesterday, If anything, they even took a step back, I guess the decisions will be made in the first few games of the regular season. Also, it doesn't matter if Duclair plays zero NHL games or 10, he's still burning off his first year. IMO, we might as well bring him up for a few games to see if he can hack it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 5 2014 2:31 pm EST

I think The Duke eventually goes down. I hope they let him play a couple games first though.No problem if they don't. Haggerty seems able to step in there if necessary. Nice to actually be able to have these kinds of debates for a change.

Bob


Sun Oct 5 2014 2:04 pm EST

Im expecting MSL to stay at C and Hags, Hayes to play RW. Kreider/Brass/MZA, Duke/MSL/Nash, Malone/Miller/Hags, Glass/Moore/Hayes Stemp #13

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 2:02 pm EST

Hags played on RW last season with Brass and Poo during MZA injury. No issue there.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:59 pm EST

Mess, biznasty very good with social media, but thats about it. Reason Im starting to think Duclair goes back; we dont need a LW. Malone has 100% made it imo. He, Kreids, Hags, Glass, thats the left side. Same on right, Nash-Zuc-MSL and prob Stemp. We need a center and 13th F.. They said Hayes tweaked shoulder. But a 2 day or 2 week tweak? I keep Haggerty over all the kids. As stated (abour a million times LOL) if its just a center its Oscar for me.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:58 pm EST

Mess: He's a hell of a tweeter !

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:50 pm EST

Mueller might be good to press-box with Stempniak, but cant supplant Moore in #4 or Miller/Hayes in #3. Of course, matters whether MSL is C or RW, but in either scenario I don't see Mueller sticking past Stepan injury unless Hayes cannot play up to par. If he were getting ice time, Id rather keep Lindberg up.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:45 pm EST

Bissonnette done with Blues PTO. Can fight, but what else?

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:36 pm EST

The question mark for me is HAYES...would he benefit from time in Hartford? Most certainly...but do the Rangers desperately need his size? Most certainly. If Hayes is healthy, he's my choice to make the team. I'd say him, MILLER and MUELLER. Duke back to juniors and the rest to Hartford.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:33 pm EST

Step - My take on FAST is similar to LINDBERG...think both were/are on the cusp, but neither would be harmed by some more time in Hartford...these two had some very good chemistry last winter...saw them bing-bang a PP goal in Adirondack in early spring that made both look pretty special...I think among the Rangers' prospects, Fast is probably has the best blend of talent and versatility...He can handle a bottom-line assignment and pot the odd goal...I still think they're gonna want him to be playing big-line minutes in Hartford...so if it comes to him and STEMPNIAK, I can't see Fast staying for more than a cup of coffee while STEPAN mends...I think his placement ultimately depends on what they decide with DUCLAIR. Duke for nine games means Fast in Hartford. Fast on the team means Duke goes back to the Q.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:27 pm EST

One more & gotta bounce; wouldn't it be something if Duclair gets sent back to the Q and Haggerty makes the team? Gotta say, Haggerty's shown me more. He's also older & sturdier. And he's a righty shot for the PP - and a wicked one.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:25 pm EST

On HAGGERTY - of all the Rangers' prospects, they're probably most in-tune with what he's bringing/what he needs...kid spent three months with the team at practices and through the cup run...I never thought he'd walk onto the Rangers...but he's the type of guy who won't be stopping off in Hartford long. They had him on a bottom line the other night to see if maybe he could handle an assignment there and still produce an odd goal...don't think that's an unrealistic thought, but one that will have to wait until he adjusts a bit more to the big league game.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:23 pm EST

The good news is we could live with Fast as a 4th line winger. Glass-Moore-Fast sounds good to me but I agree that Stemp gets first dibs.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:23 pm EST

True, TD. AV reunited them first day of camp, and that was all she wrote. BTW, don't know where he's at, but Stevie posted some funny shit last night.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:19 pm EST

I really liked Kristo. Liked Thomas a lot too. Thought maybe we were giving up a player like his dad, which woulda been terrible. Thankfully, I know nothing.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:19 pm EST

KRISTO'S problem has and continues to be size. For all those who were lamenting/applauding the deal, it really was essentially about as even as a trade can be...THOMAS, who was smaller size-wise, but played a bigger game, was never going anywhere in this organization because of all the diminutive forwards they already had...I think the hope with Kristo was that he'd develop the edge Thomas has and would thus become a CALLAHAN-type player...but that hasn't happened...and until something drastic happens that would necessitate him filling in on the top two lines, his talents are really wasted with the Rangers...I guess maybe if Zucc leaves and MSL retires...there would be a spot...but even then...big-time longshot...I still would love to see what would happen with him STEPAN and KREIDER on a line...that line in the WJC was simply incredible.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:08 pm EST

Just as Fast was starting to grow on me, he does some dainty things with the puck I can't stand. He looks way better than last year,IMO, but Stempniak is a pretty good player. Bit more physical, proven he can score, not that Fast won't. Thats a real close battle unless they keep both. Otherwise think they go with Stempniak.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:03 pm EST

Kristo. I was hoping for more from him. He's got skill but man I don't think he would last a full season. He's like a rag doll out there. RABID: It wouldn't hurt me for us to waive Stemp. Decent player but easily replaced by the likes of a Fast IMO.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 5 2014 1:02 pm EST

re Danny Kristo: Christian Thomas demoted last night too.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:54 pm EST

R47, you mean better than being Kristo'd lol. Damn, feels like he got cut last month. Haggerty blew past him on the depth chart like he was standing still.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:49 pm EST

No Step. Demote. Poor composition on my part. Only Stempniak would need waivers from among Fast, Haggerty, Lindberg, Hrivic I believe And Hayes doesn't need waivers. But he's hurt. How badly idk....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:46 pm EST

We'll see soon. Rosters have to be set by Tuesday. Monday last day for waivers.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:46 pm EST

BTW - Waiting until the last minute to make the final cut also helps build good will towards the guys who miss the cut. Being told that "we struggled with whether or not you made the team - so go light up the AHL and you'll be back soon" is a much better message than getting cut today (which seems to send the message that "you're less on our radar for the future".

Ranger47


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:45 pm EST

RR; Waive Hayes ? Really ? I must of been seeing something otherwise this camp. I think the kid has good upside talent. I think he was better in the couple of games he played in than the likes of Lindberg, Mueller, Fast. Just a naked eye opinion.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:36 pm EST

Shouldn't read too much into who got sent down and who remains. They probably want more time to consider the final cut as well as line combos for practice tomorrow before farming out the remaining players. As stated by others, the players they chose to put on waivers are probably the one/ones they would like for a team to claim so they can get under 50 contracts to include the Duke. As also stated, I hope no one claims DesGardins....

Ranger47


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:33 pm EST

Maybe Mess. But those are the 3 they should keep imo, along with Duclair. Not Hrivic. He's a strange guy to get a read on. Good, then invisible. Id demote or waive Hayes, Mueller, Hrivic and Stempniak if necessary. Haggerty is dynamite.Great camp for that kid. And honestly both Duclair & Miller have tailed off, though both likely make it.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:23 pm EST

I think Mueller is only up until Step off LTIR. Doesn't bode well for Fast/Lindberg/Haggerty/Hrivik

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:22 pm EST

Only thing with Mueller is he didnt play very well last night. Only thing with SJ is JT has full NMC. Hes not going to any team in east. He also carries a big $. Teams are capped. Sj is in a compromised position and rather plainly want him out.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:12 pm EST

E - couldn't have said it any better. Great reason why Thornton ain't and never will be a Ranger.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:11 pm EST

Only surprise in those waiver wire additions is that MUELLER isn't among them. With exception to LOMBARDI, all those guys were headed to Hartford anyway. Sounds like Mueller made the team.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:05 pm EST

RR - not sure what SJ would want, but I think it's a safe assumption to say ALOT. If not KREIDER, then someone of his value. I could see STAAL...regardless. Gonna cost a top-6 or top-2 pairing player PLUS something...and I really don't see the sharks eating any salary in a move to divest Thornton. They'll get a good haul from any number of teams in the east.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 12:02 pm EST

Hunwick and Kampfer were teammates at U Mich, along with Wolfpack alums TJ Hensick, Chad Kolarik, and…..Carl Hagelin

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:55 am EST

If Step is on LTIR, does he count as one of the 14 forwards kept up?

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:52 am EST

they don't have to demote if not claimed. They can, but do not have to.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:51 am EST

So if one of the three guys on waivers gets claimed, they will be able to keep Duclair....maybe that's why they put all 3 out there....to maximize chances of at least one being taken.

JFC31


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:45 am EST

Lombardi on waivers means Htfd or he's claimed. So if, as it now sounds, they carry 13-14 forwards, a center from among Lindberg, Mueller, or Hayes is going to make the team. I'd still guess they choose Hayes. They shouldn't but whatever at this point.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:45 am EST

I would be shocked at all if the trading, wheelin and dealing commences soon after the 10-15 game evaluation mark. Guys who are down are gonna get brought up, guys who are up will be sent back, there will be a trade or two. Rangers have way too many options at this point and they need to maximize the performance of this team ASAP. Then things will quiet down and the trade deadline will wrap it all up for what they think they need for a Cup run.

JFC31


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:44 am EST

San Jose is not trading Thornton unless the crap hits the fan. And if they did, they would not be looking for prospects although I'm sure they would need some. Their strength in young players with Tierney, Hertl, Pavelski, Couture are all young and superbly talented. They aren't looking to get tougher either. They need production from the blue line. They just removed a player who had rapidly diminishing skill that gave them much of their production. And I will add the New York Rangers picked up as its newest savior in waiting. Now, we are to ask for Thornton to solidify the New York Rangers need for a center yet we signed their best blue-line producer because we didn't have one. So given that reality, how the heck are we compatible trading partners with San Jose? Just don't see what or who makes sense for them. And that player would need to be in the prime of his NHL career. So think Staal but think of Staal who was offensively dangerous. And if he was offensively dangerous, the New York Rangers wouldn't be interested in parting ways at all. And he is a pending UFA...

E


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:43 am EST

Kostka would have been good #7, but you only need one of those and I guess they chose Hunwick

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:41 am EST

Did want to say on Miller last night, he looks way sharper than previous; Quicker, more confident, all good stuff. But he still doesn't take care of the puck enough to be a real good NHLer IMO. Also, while he looks real busy out there, I don't seeing it translating into enough quality chances. He tries a lot of low percentage plays. So hard to judge in preseason, to be fair. Let him settle in with a linemate or two (he & Malone seem to look for each other) and see where it stands after 10-20 games. But if he's playing Top 9, he needs to post points like everyone else.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:40 am EST

I liked Desjardins. Talbot is only under contract through this season. Hopefully Cedrick isn't claimed.

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:38 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 4 minutes ago #NYR put C Matt Lombardi, Ds Kostka and Kampfer and G Desjardins on waivers

Messier11


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:26 am EST

TD: I'm not basing my concerns about the offense on yesterday's game. It's more general than that. I think the Rangers aren't strong at the center position WITH Stepan in the lineup. Without him I think comparatively speaking, the Rangers are in the bottom 1/4 of the entire league. It's worrisome because so much offense is generated from that position.

RF4L


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:19 am EST

Oops - forgot about Fast. Think he's ready now for the next step in his development at the NHL level. Maybe he gets Stepniak pushed down. Then its a question to AV of whether Hayes should go to the Pack for experience/playing time with Fast up here, or he gives both Duke and Hayes 9 games to show what they have.at the NHL level. Interesting problem to have!?

Ranger47


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:12 am EST

After seeing our "AHL team" against the NHL Devils last night I think reality needs to settle in that most our prospects could use more prep time in the AHL before they can help the big club except in spot roles should we have injuries. I thought the most interesting players last night were Koska and Hunwick. Not sure which of the two gets the 7th D (I expect McWratih to get 1D with the Pack for most of the season, while Kampher should not be in the mix). Fast had another good game and can see him making the team along with Miller, Malone. Duke and possibly Hayes - though they may decide to send Hayes down for some more seasoning and playing time and keep Stemniak). JMHO. Looking forward to seeing what AV does on Tuesday....

Ranger47


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:01 am EST

Look, I think Thornton is overpaid, and when he actually loses a step it will be a step he cannot afford to lose. However, no matter what anyone says if he were to come to NY he would immediately be the #1 center on the club, Stepan or no Stepan. My problem with the thought is that Doug Wilson has fleeced Sather twice in the last few years, and I fear what the Rangers would give up.

Bob


Sun Oct 5 2014 11:00 am EST

I think it's a given Step goes to LTIR. Face it, recovery from a broken leg- I would think he'll need a few weeks of practice- since he really had no camp. This allows us to keep 14 forwards for the time being. Not a great situation, but workable.

puckyou


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:50 am EST

Itd be a dman and a prospect TD. Stop with Kreider. Thats a scare tactic LOL

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:48 am EST

TD, Im lukewarm on the idea, said that. SJ eats 50%, its a do-able deal. Said that. Just Googled JT and coach said hes in best shape hes seen him in, which Jumbo took exception to. That is NOT a happy marriage. Nor do I think Thortons numbers auto-translate. Thatd depend imo on Nash. Who provides the best chance to get him finishing again? Real question as always is what does Sather think? Yeah, I think he likes the idea. Dont forget, as weve been watching our kids in camp, SJ coyld be watching them too.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:41 am EST

And the other thing that gets glossed over...there seems to be this assumption that THORNTON is going to cost "Miller and couple of prospects"...I call bullshit right there...SJ isn't rebuilding. SJ is looking to get tougher in a beast of a Western Conference. The only thing they're going to want is a young player that can help them now...and while I agree one of those young players would be MILLER...you better believe another one will be Chris KREIDER. So with that name out there, how comfortable are you guys with trading for Thornton now?!? LOL.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:37 am EST

RR - Can't go on THORNTON'S points as a Shark as any sort of indication as to what he'd do in NY...Case and point: Martin ST. LOUIS lead the Rangers last season. His 69 points and 30 goals lead the Rangers, right? Only he amassed a paltry 8 points and one goal in his first 19 games...I no more believe Thornton would come here and rip things up than I believe St. Louis would continue his torrid pace as a Ranger...and the thing no one seems to answer when they bring up Thornton is the cap question: How exactly are the Rangers going to fit him under the cap? He's making $6.75 million over the next THREE years...I'm sure that contract is going to look swell when Thornton is struggling to get from one end of the ice to the other...Look, I understand the Rangers could use a big center who can dish the puck...so could every NHL team outside of maybe the Ducks...but the Thornton the Rangers "need" was Joe Thornton 2005-2006. They don't need the ol' grey mare.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:30 am EST

On last night...I'm not sure how anyone can read anything into that game...it was a throw-away game...and that's putting it mildly. Six regulars not including MILLER...at least seven guys who will be in Hartford at this time next week...Devils skated all but four of their regulars...played the Rangers 24 hours after a hard-fought Hawks game...the results were nothing shocking...I guess if anything, the game affirms my belief that LINDBERG starts in Hartford, LOMBARDI hits the waiver wire on his way to Hartford and is joined by KAMPFER...That MILLER belongs in the middle, not on the wing...that the Rangers desperately need SIZE in their lineup, not more skill...and along those lines, that it's far less of a risk to let DUCLAIR mature at least until the spring before rushing him into the lineup...I'll give it to the kid, he still had a decent game...but -2...and much more quiet than all his previous contests...On TALBOT...Before we start worrying over the backup goalie situation, let's see what Talbot looks like with a real defense in front of him...A D with Hunwick, Kostka AND Kampfer in the mix is not a D at all..it's a train wreck. That kind of line works in the AHL...but against the Devils? Nope.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:16 am EST

I agree we'd probably be 'okay' trying kids, no danger of missing POs or anything like that. Question Id have is, would we really be going for it? Or just trying to be as good as last year, considering the defections? I know TD detests the idea, but one thing Thorton does is focus everyone's mind on whats supposed to be happening here. We're striving for a champuonship. Adding a big point-producing center, who would have led us in scoring last year by a considerable margin, says that imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:12 am EST

RF4L - In one, very simple word: NO. I don't care if the Rangers lose all four of their centers. The only question THORNTON answers is how to drive this team further into cap hell. Team finally gets an exciting collection of youth and vets and we're STILL talking about this guy? C'mon. Yes, it sucks to lose to the Devils. Sucks even worse to hear about it from Dickaletti and those two other clowns...but talk about rubbing lemon and salt in an wound...NO TO THORNTON. If the Rangers are going to pay that ransom, it should at least be for a young center, not an old hack on the tail end of his career.

tdchi


Sun Oct 5 2014 10:12 am EST

Glad that AV has a clue and I am glad he is candid enough to talk about it publicly. What to do about it? I would go with Hayes or Mueller for now. Send Lombardi down until he gets himself in shape and ready, and then do the swap. I also agree with what I read up here earlier.....Dom Moore needs to be the 4th line center. Not the 3rd or 2nd line. Let Miller have his chance.........unless you trade him to SJ for Thornton. I would personally not do that, but when in a "win now" mode, sometimes you have to. I think JT will develop into a nice player. The thought of Thornton setting up our wings is at least interesting.

Bob


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:37 am EST

RF; I agree about the offensive output at the center position. Count me as one who does not think D. Moore should play above the 4th line position. I think the Rangers are gonna put MSL at center to balance out the offensive output of the team. At least that's what I would do. Give Duke Haggerty and Hayes some time on the wing position and see how it shakes out. Not the end of the world. I think they will be fine in a scenario such as that.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:35 am EST

Wouldnt surprise me in the least RF. Said months ago after we assess everyone would be prime time if it were to happen. We didnt know for sure what we had before. Also not sure I buy AV saying he wasnt aware who had the A's; Girardi noticeably imo didnt. Who knows? Could take 20 games, could never happen. Or it could happen before Thursday's opener.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 5 2014 9:17 am EST

Colour me negative here, but I'm concerned about the center ice position for the Rangers, to the point where I think it's going to impact their ability to produce offense, something they aren't exactly strong at to begin with. Jumbo Joe anyone??

RF4L


Sun Oct 5 2014 6:28 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/04/why-are-the-oilers-honoring-everyone-except-glen-sather/

stevielegs


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:15 am EST

Rug hat trick

stevielegs


Sun Oct 5 2014 5:12 am EST

I hope they left dickaletti in newark . And they raise Chico 's rug to the rafters. .... With him wearing it...and give out rugs at the door hoping for a tug trick .... Where's uncle daddy night? .... They could make reversible t shirts , some with daddy on front uncle on back and others with uncle on front and daddy on back ...and printed on the inside too.... And call it mart- tee....

stevielegs


Sat Oct 4 2014 10:31 pm EST

Anyhow, my guess as to what they'll do, versus what I think which is meaningless; if they keep 14 my guess is its Fast & Hayes. Logic would be if none of the centers are standing out, why not take the size and a guy versatile and maybe even better at wing? Team wont be set till Step returns anyway. Lots of twists & turns ahead. Btw, HAGGERTY was best Ranger on ice last night. Flew around continuously, hit, had some chances. Kid is a player.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 9:55 pm EST

AV looking to keep 14 forwards & LTIR Step. Chsnges things for s few people. Not impressed with any of the centers tonight, but if had to choose one itd be Lindberg, and that includes Dom Moore in the group. Didnt even know Lombardi was on the ice. He cant be healthy. Mueller? Nah. Devs still suck & stifle thr game. Lousy night to judge guys.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 9:51 pm EST

Well that was an unispired game! That effort can not make decisions any easier for the coaching staff. Miller really has regressed over the course of pre-season. Talbot looking shakey. Let's hope the opening night lineup looks more together and ready to play. The first couple games look to be tough.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:28 pm EST

Wow. No way Lindberg should beat out Hayes. Lombardi either for that matter. Duc - Malone - Hayes would be my choices.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:16 pm EST

Your worst nightmare...Kenny D and Michelletti on same broadcast....At least the new job gets Kenny D off of Hockey Night Live.....I wonder what douche ex Devil replaces him....

PJ


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:16 pm EST

Gee, I didn't know Mathieu Schneider was on the Devils? Daneyko!

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:14 pm EST

RF...Agree on Talbot....Looking a little shaky in preseason....This game is boring....Rangers are lifeless in this one.....A weak effort by most....

PJ


Sat Oct 4 2014 7:55 pm EST

Can't see the game, but seems to me Talbot's pre-season hasn't been impressive and if true and continues into the regular season, could be a huge problem because potentially it means the King gets over-played. If Talbot reverts to what was thought of him for most of his career, let's hope Desjardins can step in.

RF4L


Sat Oct 4 2014 7:54 pm EST

Apparently I've just returned from a year long coma. I base that on Ken Daneyko's description of every single Devil player------I must assume that the Devils went undefeated and swept through the playoffs last season while I rested. He actually used Henrique and "Elite Player" in the same sentence at one point. Elite???

thedoc85


Sat Oct 4 2014 7:39 pm EST

So I'm finally getting the feed after the Boston game. I can't believe I missed two periods of the brilliant broadcast duo of Dickaletti AND Daneyko! Doesn't look like I missed much except a few shaky goals against Talbot. Oh, and Dave Reid on NHL network is also a tool!

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 4 2014 6:47 pm EST

Ok, well, didnt really like how anyone looked that period. Maybe Haggerty for scrummin' with Clowe. Malone looked good too. And Hags lookd quicker, if thats even possible.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 4:47 pm EST

IMO there will be room for kids to make the club.. Looking forward to after next season,, I'm figuring MSL, D.Boyle, Dom Moore, possibly Stempniak, Malone, are all goners.. Makes 5 openings.. As for next year, who knows, Stempniak, maybe Malone, maybe John Moore depending on his play this season.. Naturally, I hope all 3 have great years... Hartford is going to have a great group this year, which should foster a high level of competitiveness which will prepare the Yutes for the big club... I hope Hayes sees this as growing & conditioning pains on the career path to the NHL.....

mf


Sat Oct 4 2014 3:47 pm EST

BTW, 2 2nds and a 3rd for Boychuk. What would Staal fetch??

RF4L


Sat Oct 4 2014 3:46 pm EST

Both d-men were salary dumps by their respective teams and their addition arguably help to address the Islanders biggest organizational weakness. If Halek plays well, the Islanders will be a formidable foe IMO.

RF4L


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:42 pm EST

tdchi -- it makes sense to keep Duclair if he has outplayed enough other wingers to have EARNED a place on this team....and it seems that he has done that hands down. If, during the next 10-15 games, he shows that he has weaknesses that are impacting his effectiveness, then they can send him back to the Q. I don't see how they can justify sending him back now on conjecture about what might happen when the "real" games start. Competition for jobs has to be as pure as possible and proclamations by the staff about the criteria for what they are looking for and HOW players make the NHL squad have to be adhered to or they lose credibility. Best players should play. Period. That statement then continues on throughout the course of the season. It doesn't mean that a young guy who makes it out of camp has a permanent spot. IMO, Duclair has not only been the top rookie, he's been one of the most outstanding forwards overall. If that changes, THEN he should get sent back to the Q. He has done nothing this camp to justify that move.

JFC31


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:35 pm EST

I think this means that Rundblad has cracked Chicagos top 6

Messier11


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:33 pm EST

BOY did the Isles pay a lot for those two D

Messier11


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:25 pm EST

Hey...you guys feeling sorry for LOMBARDI...check it. He's on a one way contract. Dude makes almost a mill no matter where he is in the Ranger system. Great deal for him. Took a year long Swiss vacation, comes back and gets a spot earning bank in the northeast. There's also a chance he gets claimed when the inevitable demotion happens. We'll see. Not sure if ML ever puts on a Ranger or Wolfpack jersey after tonight.

tdchi


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:20 pm EST

JFC - but does it send the right message to keep the kid only until STEPAN comes back, and then have him ride between three teams? IMO, you tell that kid his ticket is punched if he can keep level for another year. Worst thing for a kid like that is to leave him at the NHL level, then have the rest of the league catch on...watch him get abused by hacks like RINALDO or DOWNIE on a team that lacks a lot of muscle...then watch his ego take a hit. No, I'd say let him own the Q again and be a hero in the WJC. Then let him compete. Hell. Sign him after his season in the Q is done. Makes NO sense for the rangers to keep him given their status with his contract and the rest of the team's contracts.

tdchi


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:09 pm EST

JFC: I agree and that is pretty much what I have been saying regarding LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK to a degree. Also, if the Rangers hope to sign any more of these older college free agents they need to show that once signed there is a chance that these kids can make it. Otherwise they will go elsewhere. I have no doubt that was a huge factor in HAYES choosing the Rangers. He thought he had an excellent chance to play with the team out of camp this year when he signed. He will be disappointed at being sent down no matter what but it would be negative sign to any other potential players to see HAYES and the rest of the kids sent down and only LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK kept if the Rangers do what AV was hinting at (keeping only 12 forwards and STEPAN due to cap issues). Just my opinion.

Vic


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:07 pm EST

Could be worse. You could be Nick Leddy or Johnny Boychuck today.

Bob


Sat Oct 4 2014 2:05 pm EST

Welp, can't be all one-sided about things LOL; Joshua Ho-Sang back to OHL; but Isles did just announce signing him to 3-yr deal. Kid got some very good reviews.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 1:58 pm EST

Re: HAYES - don't read too much into that. Only thing it says to me is that AV has seen enough and doesn't want to risk injuring the kid. My guess is the decision is to keep him. But we'll see. I'm at collective odds with the majority here who think DUCLAIR is here to stay too, so who knows? I'll tell you this: I'm ready for the season. Had a laugh-out-loud moment when I read some site prognosticating how the Rangers would shock everyone and finish out of the playoffs. Not gonna say they're cup-bound, but I think they're easily among the top-3 teams in the east, the other two being Tampa and Boston. Actually, I think they're pretty damn close to the Bruins for top in the conference. And yet pundits keep heaping expectations on the Pens...and just about every team not named the Rangers. Same site was predicting the Isles finally make the post-season. That I can almost see...have a feeling the team that drops out of the east is the Flyers. Man. Watching their full squad limp to a win against the Wolf-rangers must have been an eye-opener for Hextall...especially after they could score against MISSAEN. Man. I'd be on the horn the next day trading guys.

tdchi


Sat Oct 4 2014 1:53 pm EST

Alluded to this the other day when the idea of MSL playing center popped up. It affects the center battle which affects the wing battle. If Im reading AV right here, he'd prefer to add another pure center from the group that plays tonight, and shift MSL back to wing. I don't know if that has any bearing on Duclair, it shouldn't. But what I think they're looking for tonight is which center can give them the best two-way play. Alain Vigneault said today (NYR) “Marty’s decision as far as playing in the middle will come as far as how tonight works out. We have decisions to make and then we need to figure out our lineup. Maybe he will start there, I didn’t think he looked out of place and I talked to him briefly this morning and he said that he felt fine. We will see how tonight unfolds and then make decisions.”

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 1:52 pm EST

Can they send lombardi down for conditioning assignment ? Injuries could be helping VEENYO and SATHER buy some more time to sort the roster out....

stevielegs


Sat Oct 4 2014 1:39 pm EST

Hayes' shoulder probably does make AV's decision easier.

JFC31


Sat Oct 4 2014 1:36 pm EST

Tough situation for Lombardi coming back from Swiss League and now getting a groin pull. But ya know what? Them's the breaks and if a guy like Lindberg (who is also a home grown Ranger) has stayed healthy, played a regular shift and shows he had the tools and the smarts to get the job done, then ya gotta go with him and dump Lombardi....not fair to put a guy on the team via "reputation"....not fair and not conducive to getting the best out of the rookies in future camps. What I'm suggesting is that Lombardi better somehow show tonight that he offers something that is head and shoulders above the competition to get the nod. If not, then one of the other candidates should get the job. That then tells the guys sent down to HTF and future rooks that they really do have an honest shot at making the big club if they put in their work, don't pout and play hard every game.

JFC31


Sat Oct 4 2014 12:47 pm EST

Yup, Hayes shoulder tweak and out. Would think that might end his candidacy, could be wrong. I did get some word this week they were quietly very impressed with Chris Mueller. I consider it unsubstantiated until I see it somewhere else, though he did look solid to me too. Thing to remember there is he's a righty shot (and a righty faceoff man) and we have none up the middle with Step out, could be a factor. Just musing.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 12:39 pm EST

JT at RW tonight. Lombardi, Lindberg, Mueller and Moore up the middle. Pretty clear what they're looking at......a center. one ofntose guysnis making the team. The other battle is likely Fast & Stemp. JT's just sliding over to give the other's more ice. Think he's locked as 2C or 3C. Also heard other day how Sather himself has been mentoring Miller.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 12:33 pm EST

Hayes not playing tonight, Kreider will. See some speculation Hayes has shoulder injury, though that could just be idiots on the internets. Gross saying AV 85% decided on team, 3 spots remain open, one the 7th dman.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 12:30 pm EST

Very important statement by AV a couple of days ago about preseason not. Being determining factor for the make-up of this team, but rather, the 1st 10-15 games. No way does this organization send Duclair packing....not only would it be wrong based on his performance, but it would send a bad, contradictory message about what the organization values. It's obvious the Duke has been the most impressive rookie in camp. He plays all 3 zones, he has no fear, he's poised and loaded with confidence. He has speed and he is a finisher. He back checks, fore checks and has shown ability to PK. To not let him have that all important first 15 games to show he is a KEEPER (or needs more seasoning) after all that he has done in this camp would have a chilling effect on players who come to camp and are told its a "clean slate" and the best players will play. Plenty of room for Duclair without effecting Miller. Miller is a lock, Malone is a lock. Hayes has a shot based on what AV said about trying to figure out what kind of team they want (speed, skill, size?) because if they decide on "size" he fits the bill. The kid is right there....NHL ready or close. But, IMO he'll be sent down to HTF and AV will go the speed/skill route. If he sees us having trouble against teams with big forwards, then Hayes is the first call-up.

JFC31


Sat Oct 4 2014 12:23 pm EST

Hayes is going to have to find another step to be a real good NHLer IMO. Otherwise he's more a run of the mill type. Looks like it takes him 3-4 steps to get to speed. That said, lanky guys like that can be deceptive. Main thing is, is anybody catching him? Is he getting to where he needs to be? And being 6-5 is one thing, using it another. I don't know how much he adds in the physicality dept., which is what matters. I'm so surprised they haven't given McIlrath even one of these last two games. Early in the week it sounded like he had a real chance, and his last game was strong. They did something similar with him last year if memory serves, kept him till last minute at camp before the cut.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 12:21 pm EST

oh- Mueller also starts in Hartford, where he likely spends the rest of the season

Messier11


Sat Oct 4 2014 11:44 am EST

I predict Hayes and Duclair make it, I think they keep Malone and Stempniak, maybe even Lombardi until Stepan is back. I think Haggerty, Fast, Lindberg start in Hartford, though I believe that each could do great things in New York this season if allowed to stay. McIlrath goes down, and one of those three vet D's are moved.

Messier11


Sat Oct 4 2014 11:37 am EST

Fast was good on the forecheck last night. I do Du-Clair he is here to stay- he can play with the big boys for sure. Watching Pat Kane take that penalty on him was fun too- the kid is hard to play against. Kane, by the way, is always a treat to watch- smooth as silk- best hands in the NHL IMO. Lombardi has 1 game to make an impression tonight- talk about pressure. Logjam next camp with Buch coming- crazy competition on this squad. Hunwick looks like 7th D. Kid played well.

puckyou


Sat Oct 4 2014 11:21 am EST

On HAYES - big difference between him and DUCLAIR is that he's got the frame...Hayes would be the largest guy on the team by far...and that's something they desperately need. I agree that he could use some tweaking in the A...but he's ready to jump in now...the tweaking he needs could easily be done on third line...and when STEPAN comes back, a demotion would probably be in order. JMHO, but guys like him and MALONE are kind of needed given the utter lack of size in the top three...when MILLER and NASH are your two biggest guys there, you really need guys like him and Malone to round them out...on an unrelated note...anyone notice that BRASSARD has crushed in the faceoff circle? 89 percent yesterday...not sure what the stat is for pre-season...I know every game he's over 50 percent...think the last game he was 75 percent...THAT, friends, is a very good sign.

tdchi


Sat Oct 4 2014 11:16 am EST

On DUCLAIR: I just don't see how they keep him for either the 9 games or the year. It'd be fairly illogical, especially given his contract situation and that his spot on the top six would essentially vanish when STEPAN comes back...And while I could see him fitting in well on third line...does anyone see the Rangers demoting the larger and more physical MILLER to keep Duke up here? I can't...NTM, he's more than likely going to be part of Team Canada in the WJC, so that's almost a month they'll be without him anyway...The normally jerk-off Dickaletti actually made a very good point about the kid and how he's fared so far...basically, his youth is helping him exploit veterans in ways that won't be so easy come January and February when their conditioning catches up. Certainly, he's got innate ability that will let him succeed...but how much? Kid is 19. That's the bottom line. I think he goes back to the Q next week...and if he does stay, it'll be for a nine-game tryout...Rangers have seen more than enough of him to realize what he has. He'll be on the team next year for sure...my ONLY fear about sending him back to juniors is if some worthless hack tries to clean his clock and he ends up with another concussion. I'd take that chance, however, rather than to see him languish with the big team and be in that spot where they're forced to return him to juniors if he struggles.

tdchi


Sat Oct 4 2014 10:55 am EST

RR - Know you're high on LINDBERG and with good reason...But he's really the epitome of a kid who could stand one more year in Hartford to A. build his confidence; and to a much lesser degree B. Acclimate more to the speed of the game on the smaller ice...Right now, I think Lindberg could slide in as a fourth-line center with a third-line upside...a guy who's a good PKer...decent at draws...kind of a jack of all trades...but I think with a little more seasoning...a little more work, I think he could be much more...NTM...I have a feeling FAST is another who is Hartford-bound...and if you want chemistry, those two have it...Like McILRATH, I think the Rangers could keep him in New York if they needed to...but taking a page out of RF4L playbook...why rush them when you have the ability to ease them along? The Rangers' depth now is greater than I can recall it every being as an organization...They'll have plenty of options this spring and more importantly, if the injury bug strikes. One of these times, Lindberg is going to get the call and he's not going to let up. It's just not now.

tdchi


Sat Oct 4 2014 10:50 am EST

It's nice to see the Rangers with some GOOD problems on their hands. Like everyone else, I have been really impressed with DUCLAIR. He's got great vision, he hustles, outstanding offensive instincts and creativity, doesn't ignore his defensive responsibilities, and fits right in with his skating ability. It's a real shame that the rules are what they are as it would be perfect for him to play some time in Hartford. Still, in the last couple of games, I think it's pretty clear that the kid can keep up and contribute at the NHL level. With him and the way BUCHNEVICH is developing in the KHL this year, the lack of first round picks recently is a bit more palatable. The word that jumps to mind when I think of HAYES is "solid." He just seems so calm and patient with the puck, no matter the situation and more often than not, he seems to make the right decision. Like DUCLAIR, he is a dynamic player. He's got size and he uses it well to protect the puck, deceptive acceleration, really good hands, and great vision. Then you've got FAST who seems to have really progressed since last season. He's got his speed, defensive abilities and some offensive upside for the bottom six. MILLER's got all the tools to be successful. I hope he can use them all consistently. LINDBERG seems like the perfect long-term solution for third line center. As far as the new vets (MALONE, STEMPNIAK, GLASS and BOYLE): they've all come as advertised and deserve to be here. However, the jury is still out on LOMBARDI. He might make a decent 13th forward. I think the right way to start the year would be: KREIDER-BRASSARD-ZUCCARELLO, DUCLAIR-ST. LOUIS-HAGELIN, MALONE-MILLER-NASH, GLASS-MOORE-STEMPNIAK. I think HAYES, LINDBERG, and FAST go down to play a lot in Hartford and LOMBARDI stays on as the spare forward. The BRASSARD unit (once they really figure out how to play together) could be lethal. I love the idea of all that speed with DUCLAIR, ST. LOUIS, and HAGELIN and the size and skill on the MILLER line. I can't wait to get this season going!

evets1980


Sat Oct 4 2014 10:38 am EST

I could definitely do with - and my cardiologist agrees - less breakout passes from behind our net into the slot (still brings cries of "Marek Malik!" in my household). Speaking of MM, that shootout started to feel like it was only gonna end on a goofy trick shot, didn't it?

LeoS


Sat Oct 4 2014 9:15 am EST

Agree with what I see youse guys saying. On turnovers, was laughing with a friend of mine yesterday about them. There are only 4-5 things a player can even do with the puck; pass it, shoot it, dump it, flip it in the crowd, and yes, turn it over. Its a game of turnovers. I don't hold it against guys unless they become glaring (see Richards, Brad). I agree there's a redundancy in Stempniak and Fast. The weakness is at center. Hayes has gotten a long look. AV says he's anxious to see Lombardi tonight. Neither he nor anyone has said a word on Lindberg. This kid is either the most under the radar player ever or he's Hartford bound. I did notice he & Haggerty taking rushes together in practice the other day. Looked like they had good chemistry and could be Pack's first line. Way I see it shaping up right now, could change off tonight's performances;Kreider-Brassard-Zuc, Duclair-St Louis-Nash, Hagelin-Miller-Malone, Glass-Moore-Stempniak (13th F one of Lombardi, Lindberg, Hayes, Fast). And boy isn't that just the kind of game you hope for when we went after Malone. Smashing people, scoring big goals, and the guy's a heady hockey player. Looks very confident.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:48 am EST

Vic; Agree on Hayes. He had that one shift in the offensive zone where he totally dominated the whole shift. He was noticeable all night and that was playing in a 4th line role. Did he turn the puck over ? Yep he did. It happens. they all turn it over. Poo was a freakin turnover machine last year ! This kid can be a very useful player. They can put him at center or wing. Play him on the 4th line or bump him up with his buddy Krieds. Is it just me or is there some good chemistry developing between Miller and Malone ? Two great preseason goals between them.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:30 am EST

Just a few comments on last night's game. I thought KOSTKA and HUNWICK played well. They actually played better then McDONAGH and GIRARDI. If I was JOHN MOORE I would be worried. HUNWICK is good with the puck, can shoot and can skate like a demon. I know MOORE is a good skater as well but man can HUNWICK fly. I also like that he jumps into the play a lot. In today's NHL I think that is a huge plus. On HAYES, he was having a really solid game until the two givaways In the 3rd period. Those didn't help his cause but we also saw MALONE, McDONAGH, GIRARDI, STAAL and a few other vets with bad givaways. It shouldn't count against HAYES anymore then any of the vets. It is very rare to see a guy so tall with such a long stick be able to handle the puck so well, especially when it is in close. He uses his body and reach EXTREMELY well to shield the puck and if anyone is stupid enough to try to go around him to knock the puck away he has the hands and footwork to roll right off into space. Do not underrate what HAYES brings on the defensive end. His reach is enormous and he has terrific hands. I think it is probable that he starts the season in Hartford but it would not surprise me at all if he joined the team for good some time during the season. Oh, and the puck bounced on him on the Penalty Shot just when he went to make his move. It happens. FAST is a steady, smart player. He belongs in the NHL and can be an effective part of any team's bottom 6. He isn't flashy but he his defensive instincts are very good, he has good hands and skates well. I thought the KREIDER-BRASSARD-MZA line looked like it was starting to gel a bit. They need more time together but that combo could work. My only question is that I think STEPAN has showed great chemistry with KREIDER and STEPAN needs KREIDER's speed on his line. Maybe the plan is put STEPAN in the middle of NASH and MSL when he gets back. If so, I could see the reasoning. MALONE-MILLER-HAGS could be an interesting 3rd line. It looks like that is the way the Rangers are leaning right now but it would have been nice to see HAGS skate with them last night. I don't dislike STEMPNIAK at all. In fact, he is a steady player who looks good defensively. I just don't see what STEMPNIAK brings that FAST doesn't. Put another way, I think FAST is better suited to playing on that 4th line this year and is better at the things the Rangers need in the player who will be filling that spot. Tonight is the last chance for some of these guys to make their case. Should be fun to watch. Oh, and HANK looks like he is in top form going into the season. That alone will help the Rangers tremendously. He really sucked for the first few months last year. If HANK is back to his old self for a full season I can't imagine this roster not competing for the top spot in the division and in the East overall. They may not get it but they should be in the mix this year.

Vic


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:18 am EST

BTW who made the blatant hand-away on the Rangers that resulted in the Hawks' second goal last night? Anyone know?

RF4L


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:18 am EST

Hawks sign Carcillo, 1-way 800k. He deserves to catch on somewhere. Guess NYR wanted more of a heavyweight like Glass sans Carcillo's baggage. But the guy was real good here.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 8:15 am EST

Brandon Halverson with his 4th straight start for SSM and pulled off a shut-out. It's early, but could the Rangers have drafted a gem here?

RF4L


Sat Oct 4 2014 7:49 am EST

http://www.rantsports.com/clubhouse/2014/02/20/hottest-nhl-wags-will-make-you-a-bigger-hockey-fan/?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=Title4

stevielegs


Sat Oct 4 2014 5:57 am EST

I like what Ive seen from Fast much more than last year. Much sturdier. Not crazy about Hayes; said it was nerve-wracking and gagged in SO. Hartford if Im the decider LOL. Whoever finds a loose puck tonight & puts it home could win a spot. Sounds that tight. Still say Lindbergs better thsn Hayes & Lombardi - combined.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 5:43 am EST

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/introducing-derek-jeter/

stevielegs


Sat Oct 4 2014 5:41 am EST

“[Duclair] is in a group of players right now that are fighting for spots that are open,” Vigngeault said. “A lot of it is going to be decided on how they play, but also, maybe the type of look that we want to give ourselves. Is it going to speed, is it going to skill, is it going to be size?”......not to read too much into it, but it sounds like the gm and the coach are still deciding what look they need to go all the way.....

stevielegs


Sat Oct 4 2014 5:32 am EST

MSL was 6-13 on FOs. AV said he's not trying him at center tonight, but not saying no to idea. Could come down to tonight, how Lombardi & Lindberg play, though Id have to think carrying two wings (Duke & Fast) is odds-on choice. Also not 100% we're not about to make a deal. Dan Boyle looks real good one-timing from the point. What a difference. MSL looks much fresher than last year, Nash quicker. Id like to see him, you know, score a frickin goal.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 5:12 am EST

Unfortunately Big Mac looks like he wlll remain a kids meal. I hope VEENYO already told him instead of him surmising . The coach is looking for a fast puck moving d man more than a stay at home one for the 7 and maybe 8 spots. The roster will be 22 plus stepan ? Maybe he's keeping hunwick and koska . I don't think SATHER wants to waive guys he signed in the offseason unless forced to. I hope he makes the cuts by tomorrow so the roster can start practicing as a TEAM for opening night. None of the kids had real bad showings . The ones sent down are mostly victims of the numbers. They have to go down and tear it up and hope they get recalled this year. And next preseaon come ready to force their way in like the duke of eclair is trying to do. He will probably get the 9 games so SATHER can decide what to do. I would put stepan on ir and send him down for conditioning after that. The nyr have mostly good problems so far. I hope it stays that way. I want another shot at the la la queens Or whoever at the end of this season..... So I can go to the canyon of heroes ....the final frontier ..... Warp 2015 ....

stevielegs


Sat Oct 4 2014 4:14 am EST

Wait... so McIlrath not playing tonight either? Gotta think he's not making team.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 4 2014 3:31 am EST

highlight clip of last nights game: JT Miller's pass / assist on our 2nd goal was plain & simply perfect... Kudo's to Malone for being in the right place & finishing the play... Hunwik can hit the net from the blue line, very refreshing, & an excellent redirection by MSL for our 1st goal. FTR, McD & Girardi on the ice for both goals against.... http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014010090&navid=sb:recap

mf


Fri Oct 3 2014 10:40 pm EST

The Rangers have announced their lineup for tomorrow night’s game against New Jersey: ....Forwards: JT Miller, Ryan Malone, Dominic Moore, Ryan Haggerty, Matthew Lombardi, Marek Hrivik, Oscar Lindberg, Kevin Hayes, Carl Hagelin, Anthony Duclair, Chris Mueller and Jesper Fast ....Defense: Michael Kostka, Dan Girardi, Kevin Klein, John Moore, Matt Hunwick, Steven Kampfer. ....Goalies: Cam Talbot and Henrik Lundqvist. Talbot is expected to play the whole game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 3 2014 10:22 pm EST

IGGY.... The rumor is that a Captain will be named before the 1st game of the season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 3 2014 10:13 pm EST

Has anyone been named captain yet? I thought they were going to do it at the end of camp.

iggy


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:54 pm EST

Have to say... I'm friggin excited about this team! Let's Go Rangers!

Z


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:48 pm EST

What a treat to watch such a good hockey game in preseason! Malone has wrapped up a spot and I think Duclair is an odds-on favorite to make it, too. I like Malone and what he can bring to this team. Love the confidence Duclair shows....even though he got stopped in the shootout, he was aggressive & poised and made a strong move....as compared to Hayes who looked nervous on his attempt. Duclair was wide open TWICE in this game and the puck was not passed to him...although second one was a tough one for Nash to get the puck to him.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:46 pm EST

Ryan Malone looks great... And happy! I think he is going to do great this year in blue!

Z


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:41 pm EST

Heck of a game! Start the season!!!

Shaggy


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:41 pm EST

That's why we signed Malone. ;-)

mf


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:34 pm EST

Zucc faked Crawford out of his jock strap!

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:29 pm EST

This is a preseason game that feels like a playoff game. Great hockey on both sides! LGR!

Z


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:18 pm EST

Duclair passes really well, too.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:17 pm EST

I want to see a shootout

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:15 pm EST

Duclair draws a penalty by getting by Kane

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:14 pm EST

Nice play/pass by Miller. Mallone is a lock. Great mid-air knockdown by Fast. Man, we've got so many guys pushing, so many options...present and future.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:54 pm EST

Ok. I'm sold on Hayes. Uses his body like Jagr uses his ass. Plays center-wing, kill penalties. Plays well as 4th line center like tonight. Seems like a very versatile player with size and skill. Hope he makes it !

stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:51 pm EST

Hayes is gonna be with this team sooner rather than later. He's right there....maybe start in HTF but he'll be here before long.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:39 pm EST

Shots in a game record is held by Ray Bourque with 19 on March 21, 1991

sjw


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:14 pm EST

Duclair killing penalty does a great job forechecking and disrupting Chicago's breakout. He knows how to attack, angle, turn, get in the passing lane.....he's fast and he QUICK and he turns on a dime. This kid is gonna make this team.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:06 pm EST

Gorgeous tip-in by MSL. Rangers are FAST up and down the lineup. They are gonna give teams fits with their speed.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:00 pm EST

The King has looked very sharp. I don't care that Mallone got a penalty....that hit showed just what a big forward can do. Love it.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 6:15 pm EST

Great hit by Tanner Glass....he really crunched the guy....looked like it hurt....then he took care of Carcillo. Nice.

JFC31


Fri Oct 3 2014 5:33 pm EST

Hi Guys, I had discussions with MSG Network a few years ago about these games, as I had an idea, that was similar to what Leaf T.V. was doing and it was before the MSG Vault was created, I showed them several, but just could not make it happen, still maintain a friend there who still works for the network, one episode of the vault(72 final game 6 with Boston) that used some of the material I had, would love to show them to Ranger fans particularly the older ones who remember the Bathgate Prentice Gadsby Fontinanto Worsley Howell Lewicki Creighton Henry Howell etc.

Bathgate9


Fri Oct 3 2014 1:10 pm EST

Bathgate, you might want to consider sending those tapes into MSG Vault. They'll copy & return them and probably do something nice for you, and then we'll get to see'em. Man I'd love to see Gilbert's first PO game. I'd love to see the game he had 16 shots even more. Pretty sure that's still the NHL record.That's a lot of frickin shots!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 3 2014 12:16 pm EST

Hi guys, thanks for the nice comments, I will try to post more, for me I am happy, that I have a large collection of actual T.V. broadcasts of Ranger games from the 50s and 60s including one from the old Garden 1962 Playoff game three vs the Leafs, Rod Gilberts first playoff game, so it is great to watch every once in a while to help to reminisce. Thanks Guys.

Bathgate9


Fri Oct 3 2014 12:12 pm EST

I loved what CARCILLO brought to this team and I wasn't happy the Rangers weren't interested in bringing him back. He has talent and is a tremendous pest. But the Rangers went in another direction. I wasn't happy with the GLASS signing at first (especially in light of the Rangers pushing CARCILLO out). However, the guy has won me over so far with his play in the preseason. He may not have the offensive skills that CARCILLO does but he can play and is a bigger, better fighter. Lets hope that GLASS continues to play well and becomes a fan favorite for his hustle and toughness.

Vic


Fri Oct 3 2014 12:12 pm EST

PJ - I'm sure it's a waiver situation...I don't think either guy has a chance with the Rangers, but if a guy like Nate PROSSER isn't clearing waivers, there's a good chance one of these clowns will get claimed...ALLEN didn't need to go through waivers and is already getting first-pairing play in Hartford. KAMPFER has looked fairly pedestrian. KOSTKA has improved drastically over his first game...I like him a little better than when I first saw him...plays with an edge...still HIGHLY doubt he beats out HUNWICK, who looks tailor-made for AV's system.

tdchi


Fri Oct 3 2014 12:05 pm EST

Not sure why you send down Allen and keep Kostka and Kamper up...Not impressed with either of them....Looks to me like Hunwick and MCI in battle for 7th spot....Makes more sense to give it to Hunwick and let MCI continue to develop....Would love to see Big Mac up soon though and taking a regular shift....Agree on Carcillo...The guy got a raw deal in the playoffs and his goal against Philly and his antics after will go down as one of my favorite Ranger goals of all time....Turned the series....AV didn't appear to like him though and didn't even stick up for him much when he received that ludicrous suspension....

PJ


Fri Oct 3 2014 12:05 pm EST

Personally think McILRATH and LINDBERG are in the same boat...the game plan set by the Rangers brain trust probably had both at least starting in Hartford...I don't think we would have seen either the MUELLER or LOMBARDI signings would have gone down had they thought he was ready...ditto with the KOSTKA signing...maybe even KAMPFER...these are throw-away guys that could either make Hartford more competitive or fill in on lower-line roles in the event of injury...personally, I think both would benefit from another solid season in Hartford. Or at least some serious minutes through December...but man, would it be nice to add a solid fast center good in the faceoff circle, great at the PK and able to chip in the odd goal...or the monster D-man who can brutalize opponents...I think the case is the same for both: They're both longshots to make the team...but the chance is there.

tdchi


Fri Oct 3 2014 12:03 pm EST

John Giannone asked Mats Zuccarello about his relationship with Henrik Lundqvist on the Bleeding Blueshirts podcast.(MSG) Zuccarello said, I can’t talk about Hank, how he feels about it, but he can be as mad at me as my mom gets some days. Some days he isn’t in the mood but I love Hank, he is a great guy and great friend of mine. It gives me great pleasure to come into the locker room and see him.” He adds, “He is the King of New York so someone needs to make sure he has his feet on the earth so I take that responsibility. Hopefully he likes it too and it relaxes him a bit, he is always so intense but sometimes it’s not relaxing when I get in there and want to shoot. If he doesn’t save that it’s even worse then if he lets one in during a game, so I enjoy it every time that I score. We have fun on the ice and outside and when it comes down to it, Hank is there for you and I will be there for him.” Giannone then asked Lundqvist who said, “he is a really funny character but also really annoying at times, he really is. But he has always been, since day one, it didn’t matter if it was his first game or how many games he has played he is the same way and he treats everyone the same way. Being a Norwegian he is close to the Swedish mentality so I do understand him but he does get on my nerves a lot in practice and I think it’s his goal too. I think it’s fun to have guys on the team to compete against hard and something that I appreciate, how hard he competes and for me to go against him in practice 1 on 1, I really like it.”

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:51 am EST

TD, I don't know if MSL will work or not at center; my sense is it'll be fine for 10 games, even with a negative FO # included. But underneath it would be, in my mind, trying to replace some of Step's offense with DuClair. Just a guess that's what they'd be going for. If it were me, I'd want Haggerty over Fast too, but they may not agree LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:47 am EST

Still sorry the Rangers wouldn't extend a contract or even a tryout offer to CARCILLO...I guess those playoff penalties really did rub AV the wrong way...Carbomb would be a very good addition to the fourth line...but as it is, I suppose there's really no room for him...really surprised the dirtbag Pens passed on him...the guy can play hockey...and he has just about every attribute that the Pens want.

tdchi


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:44 am EST

Count me as one who isn't thrilled with the idea of ST. LOUIS in the center...when was the last time he played there? Really, my main concern is FO percentage...smaller guy...hasn't taken them regularly in a long time...I see problems there...Outside of getting the powerplay clicking at 20-percent plus, I think the most important thing for the Rangers to improve from last season is their faceoffs..seems like such a minor part of the game...but when your center can win the puck clean, that's automatic puck possession...that's one of the many advantages BERGEON brings to the Bruins. Positionally, I think MSL will be fine...I just don't see him helping the FO woes.

tdchi


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:33 am EST

According to reports from Chicago, ex-NYR Michael Rozsvial won't play at MSG tonight, but Dan Carcillo will

stevielegs


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:31 am EST

Mike Brehm @ByMikeBrehm Daniel Carcillo joins Blackhawks' training camp roster http://usat.ly/1x6JT2V via @usatoday

stevielegs


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:19 am EST

I think what AV is saying there is important Vic. About maybe not the same team after 10 games. Step's injury gives them a short-term dilemma that,as I was saying, affects whether its a wing or a center who sticks. Add St Louis wanting to try the middle and it gets murkier. My gut says they're going to go with that, MSL in the middle, because it allows for DuClair to come on board easier in a Top 6 role; And Step's prognosis and Duclair's trial run (if he is to be returned to juniors) are on similar timelines. That in turn would effect who the 13th forward selected would be. If they're going to line up down the middle Brass-St Louis-Miller-Moore, then maybe you go for a Fast type as a conscientious checking wing (over a pure center Lindberg, even if he's good enough to make the team). Lotsa possibilities. So we'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 3 2014 11:04 am EST

RR: No way to know for sure until after the final cuts but one read of tonight is a last chance to see if KOSTKA and HUNWICK can win a job. DM may play tomorrow in NJ.

Vic


Fri Oct 3 2014 10:45 am EST

Not sure what this means for guys like McIlrath & Lindberg that are on the cusp. Neither are playing tonight from what Ive seen. AV; "-What will determine who starts with you, “simple, it’s their play on the weekend. We have identified a certain amount of guys who will play both days and see how they perform and after that we will get together and see how they perform and figure out what certain roles we can put guys in and pick the best guys for the start of the season. That doesn’t mean after 5-10 games it will be the same group but at the start that is what we will have.”

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 3 2014 10:42 am EST

Bathgate, never saw him play but heard the name Hergesheimer enough over the years to know there was something to the guy people really liked. Got me to thinking, as opposed to these old-timers where there was very little film or footage for later Ranger fans to appreciate, that'll never happen again in the digital age.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:44 am EST

Vic: Yep that's possible, although Sather's penchant for dragging out contract negotiations regardless of the player certainly lends itself to believe he screwed up. Pure conjecture on my part of course.

RF4L


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:41 am EST

Seems only right that all "LURKER'S" come out of the shadows before the season begins.....

mf


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:25 am EST

BTW....BATHGATE9, great to hear from you. Please do post and join in on the conversations and debates. This place is better when more fans participate. All we have here are opinions and yours are as welcome here as anyone else s. That goes for the rest of the folks that lurk as well. Join in. We don't bite....much...;-)

Vic


Fri Oct 3 2014 8:21 am EST

RF4L: It might have been a stupid move on SATHER's part. After all, he has shown some bizarre behavior in negotiations with players. However, it might also have been something that DUCLAIR's agent did intentionally. If DUCLAIR's agent told him not to sign until after the deadline passed there is nothing SATHER could do. I can see an agent doing that in order to move that player a year closer to a new contract.

Vic


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:46 am EST

Nick, -- Thanks for the stub-hub tip'. Obviously I've heard of the site, but never used it. Easy enough, appreciate it! :-) .... ---- Looks like the remaining 2 pre season games will be broadcast live on NHL Network for those interested. ---- I guess I might be in the minority, but I like the idea of MSL moving to center.

hipcheck


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:40 am EST

So does that mean Duclair (and any others like him) get paid his full salary this year even in juniors???

RF4L


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:38 am EST

Rhet: Ahhh, finally that's explained. Thanks. Foolish on Sather's part, especially considering he missed the window by days.

RF4L


Fri Oct 3 2014 7:25 am EST

JNYR.... Duclair would need to be signed to a contract to play in the NHL at all. Normally the 9 game rule would apply and we would be prevented from burning the first year of his contract, but Duclair is a little bit different of a case. Ordinarily, the contract would slide for a second straight season if Duclair returns to juniors, still leaving him with the full three-year Entry Level deal to fulfill. But because Duclair did not sign his first contract until Jan. 6, 2014, thus missing the Dec. 31, 2013 cutoff date, the Rangers got only one “slide year” out of it. So, even if Duclair returns to Quebec, the winger will have just two years remaining on his contract and would become eligible for restricted free agency in 2017.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 3 2014 5:29 am EST

Does anybody know the answer to this: If Duclair stays up for 9 games and is returned to Juniors........do they still have to clear a contract for him to play??

jnyr


Fri Oct 3 2014 3:16 am EST

ColoradoMark - I like those lines and think you could be onto something...my only thing is I'm still not sold on DUCLAIR being given anything more than the extended 9-game try-out. The other thing I see is the Rangers needing size...I see HAYES slowly coming on line here and he'd simply be a huge asset if he could hang at the NHL level. I suspect both will be on the roster come the end of camp and ultimately, Hayes for the full season...we shall see though...no doubt Duclair is making things difficult for the Rangers brass...his showing against the real Philadelphia Flyers did nothing to hurt his chances either.

tdchi


Thu Oct 2 2014 9:49 pm EST

Watching 2-hr practice. AV says 4 spots up for grabs going into weekend. No surprise to guess its a 7th D, 2 RWs and a 13th forward. St Louis at center plays a part, could knock out Lombardi or Lindberg if they go with MSL in the middle. Would have to think Duclair is first beneficiary of that. Getting sense from Nosen & Co Rangers want Haggerty to fine tune in Htfd. Pure guesswork by me.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 2 2014 9:46 pm EST

stevie: Ha, you're right, but then it would have to be bargained and agreed upon. It's why, in large part, the first 10 games or so of the regular seasson for most teams are not indicative of the next 70....

RF4L


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:51 pm EST

Still think preseason is ill conceived when the regular seaon opening lineup doesn't play any games all together until the real season starts...there should be 2 games preseason after roster is set....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:41 pm EST

JFC Id agree except I see Kostka & Hunwick in tmrw, likely theyre last chance before theyre sent down. AV said he wanted to narrow towards real lineup for last few pre games. So maybe MCI sticks around and plays them all. Otherwise they could have cut him with Allen. Dunno.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 2 2014 7:34 pm EST

Wrath does not play in 2 straight preseason games. Implications? Considering they did not demote him, it doesn't seem to make sense to not play him tomorrow. Unless, perhaps they are leaning towards keeping him up and they want to give the vet the ice time to try and change their minds. On the other hand, it could mean Wrath is toast.

JFC31


Thu Oct 2 2014 7:29 pm EST

If VEENYO keeps any kids good for them if not that's good for the nyr too... Hartford should have a much improved team compared to last year....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 2 2014 5:57 pm EST

Guess that's why they wanted JMoore to sign for $850K

mf


Thu Oct 2 2014 5:32 pm EST

Wallsters: It is my understanding that contracts under $900,000 can go to the minors and not count against the cap. It is why you see so many of these contracts for players on the cusp signed for amounts below the bench-mark.

gene_carr


Thu Oct 2 2014 5:16 pm EST

Hi Guys, I love this site, I do not often post, but I check in and read and enjoy the posts and the bantering back and forth it is great, I have been a Ranger fan since 1957 and my uncle was a season ticket holder at the "old Garden" on 50th St. and attended many games over there and to the new Garden, I am saddened by the passing of Wally Hergesheimer, he was a fan favorite with my uncle and myself and my uncle never liked or even got used to Ranger captain Red Sullivan because he was traded for Hergesheimer, so anyway I just wanted to pass along the info regarding Hergy,well love this site and great to hear from the greatest hockey fans in the world.

Bathgate9


Thu Oct 2 2014 4:47 pm EST

Mess, I know we have to drop a contract by trading someone, but I was trying to answer Hospo's question about the cap and whether Lombardi's contract counts toward the cap if he is in the AHL.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 2 2014 4:30 pm EST

Demoting a player for cap relief doesn't affect the 50 contract quota. Need to move someone.

Messier11


Thu Oct 2 2014 4:03 pm EST

So maybe if you demote a player whose contract is over 1million there is a reduced cap hit, while it doesn't seem to matter when you demote guys like Lombardi, Malone, Hunwick, etc.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 2 2014 4:01 pm EST

So capgeek charged us $550K for burying Glass in the minors (not that I'm advocating that) but didn't for Lombardi. I have no idea how that works.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 2 2014 3:58 pm EST

As for the LOMBARDI signing, I think it was worth the risk because is he is healthy, I think he could fit in and thrive in AV's system. I think the pre-season games have shown just how fast and relentless this team could be on the forecheck. And I think everyone, including me, thought Duclair having to "prove he should stay" was pretty much a pipe dream until he actually did it. I don't think Sather or anyone in the organization really thought he would be as good as he has been in camp. The H kids (HRIVIK-HAYES-HAGGERTY) have also been better than anyone thought and MUELLER looks like an NHL guy to me (although I think Parenteau when I watch him). I also think LINDBERG and FAST could possibly be the two to make it before any of those guys. I'd be fine with a Swedish line of Hagelin-Lindberg-Fast.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 2 2014 3:50 pm EST

I played around with CapGeek and I can see the problems with the cap. I demoted Lombardi and that seems to take his contract off the cap, but somehow I am not sure if that is the case. I didn't think you could bury a NHL contract in the minors. Any capologists want educate us on Hospo's question? As for Forwards I have the lineup as this: ZUCC-BRASS-KREIDER, NASH-MILLER-DUCLAIR, HAGELIN-ST. LOUIS- MALONE, GLASS-MOORE-STEMP. And STEPAN on the bench, So that means I demoted all of FAST, HAGGERTY, HAYES and MUELLER and the aforementioned LOMBARDI. I kept HUNWICK as the 7th D-Man, which saves a little bit of money over KOSTKA. In this scenario we have 970K cap space If we want DM as the 7th D, then we could manage it, but then we have 867K in cap space. This is all under the condition of keeping DUKE since he seems to be ready and we are burning a year of his contract already. This is also keeping just one extra forward and one extra D as stated by AV. If we only keep that number, we could keep HAYES and demote MALONE (which I don't think he would survive the waiver wire) and then we have 667K. If we keep MALONE and drop HAYES and keep FAST we can be 62K under the cap, which is not a good strategy if we want cap room for later. But of course if DUCLAIR stays, a contract has to go. More than likely it is a minor league guy that goes. Now I just noticed that at some point I promoted Tommy Hughes and his 608K salary, so who knows when my numbers went off the rails. Geez. Armchair GM'ing was a lot more fun pre-cap era. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go take some Advil Cold and Sinus and make a call to Tommy Hughes to see if I can be his agent!

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 2 2014 1:00 pm EST

Ranger47 - Totally agree with your take on KLEIN...I wanted Klein even before we traded for hm....Liked him big time in Nashville, especially the POs...I thiugh he was steady for the Rangers last year but not as physical as I thought he could be....Still a very good 3rd pair D-man that, IMO, is quite capable of playing a so-so 2nd pair...That's pretty important when you have Boyle and alos with likely injuries....I think McI is just about there but the Rangers backbone is still The King and team defense, and you don't want to weken that in a year when you are gunning for the Cup...Next year is another story,..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:54 pm EST

sorry for the butchering!

Hospo


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:54 pm EST

sorry for the butchering!

Hospo


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:53 pm EST

VIC - Still disagree with you on the LOMBARDI signing....At his price, a very small risk for something that the Rangers obviously saw and liked...To me, well worth it to wait and see if he delivers after the inury..Also gotta remember, there was no HAYES then, no though of DUCLAIR kicking so much ass...aand even more importantl that this is only bullshiot pre-season and alot of what soem of the kids have shown is meaningless and and not ready dfor reptition during th real season......For those reason and others i think it's real smart to be patient with Lombard just in case he can deliver what the Rngers thought he could...Who cares if they have to lose a Borque or two or some other prospect flotsam and jetsum...That can always be found..,,ANd if he can't deliver, say Bye-Bye......As I asked before, does he 800K count against the Cap whether we keep him or not?

Hospo


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:46 pm EST

Think I may have started the Klein stuff, R47? To be clear, think Klein has been largely terrific. Really helped settle down the D (and as a result, and along with Carcillo, the whole team turned the corner last year). But to think they can't work in another player off the no. 7 spot, idk. McIlrath brings something Klein does not, something the team knows it needs. He also makes about $3m per, a lot for a 3rd pairing D. Just saying it would surprise me if they tinker, including moving Girardi around a bit. And I've said all along if a Thornton deal came along, Miller & Klein make sense to me. SJ absorbs half Jumbo's salary and its a fit. Just saying. And BTW, who ever said Sharks let Boyle go and don't have a replacement/ point man, think they're moving Burns back, and that guy can fire it.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:36 pm EST

Can't believe all the Klein discussions....If something happens to Boyle (probable at his age) Klein becomes our best option to fill in on the 2nd D pairing with Staal. I see none of our D moved this year. The real decision will need to be whether or not the Ranger brain trust thinks we can afford Staal beyond this year and/or if J.Moore is ready to move up to 2nd D. If they resign Staal then there's a good chance they replace JM instead with Allen or someone else who's deemed ready to make the jump next year.

Ranger47


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:30 pm EST

Hip -- If you don't mind the mark-up you can get seats on StubHub. I do it that way once a year or so. I'll be at the Dec. 21 match with the Canes.

Nick


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:30 pm EST

Lombardi skating today, practicing tomorrow with team and AV hoping he'll get in weekend game. I'm not in a hurry to cut anyone loose. If they end up in Hartford, and some of these guys must, great. We'll need the depth. But Jeff Gorton really liked Lombardi's versatility, that should count for a lot. And the center battle, with MSL getting a look there, can really change things too, with the play of Duclair & Haggerty and others if they move St Louis to middle.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:14 pm EST

Vic - On the same page with you re: LOMBARDI...I think it's a noble thought to hope he'll bounce back to his heyday...that it has, in fact, been a series of brutal injuries that slowed his career...well...that last part is true...I just don't think his career ever got fired up again. I mean, the Swiss league isn't even in the top three of professional leagues in Europe...Pete MUELLER, the guy who I wanted the Rangers to sign from the Swiss League and who was neck-and-neck with Lombardi in scoring last year, was just put on waivers by St. Louis...Lombardi looked like a shadow of himself...lost too...The groin injury on top of it...all good reasons to just put the guy on waivers and look within...depth at center behind the three returning players goes Miller-Mueller-Hayes-Lindberg I'd say...And I would have kept Ryan BOURQUE on my roster before him if those four weren't available. And with the kids playing the way they are, I'd have Lombardi on waivers as soon as he's able-bodied.

tdchi


Thu Oct 2 2014 12:01 pm EST

re: KLEIN - Don't get me wrong. I'm fairly certain he'll finish out the year as a Ranger...I think McILRATH has to not only show he's ready to handle the NHL, he also has to show he's an asset to the team. He's done a little of both and for the first time in watching this kid, I'm starting to see glimmers of what the Rangers must have been fantasizing about when they drafted him so high. Klein has had a good camp too. Guy has looked sharp, so the hill Mac needs to scale is almost insurmountable. To me, it sounds like the Rangers are letting and encouraging him to climb it. And that's good. Set lofty goals and give it your best....the crux of my argument, though, is what happens if he DOES earn a spot on the team? Can't trade GIRARDI. We all know BOLYE is here to stay...AV doesn't play defenders on the off-side and it's not exactly like the competition is much easier over there...Trading KLEIN would give the Rangers something like $1.6 million in cap space if McIlrath replaces him...maybe more...and if you can get the same quality of defense out of him PLUS add his fighting and hitting...That's a net-gain no GM would pass up.

tdchi


Thu Oct 2 2014 11:57 am EST

HOSPO: Not specifically directed at you. I get everything you are saying but my real issue is that the guy should never have been signed in the first place. Considering the Rangers cap situation and reserve list the Rangers were up against it. If LOMBARDI was playing great in the NHL but missed last year due to injury I could see taking the risk to sign him even though he hasn't played in a year. But, we are talking about 4 or 5 years. There was no reason at all to rush to sign him, especially to a two year deal. Why, because he was the top scorer in the Swiss League last year. Really? We think Swiss League performance directly translates to NHL success? SATHER should have let LOMBARDI sign with the Islanders or some other team for a year. If he proved he could play then make a run at signing him next year or the year after depending on his contract. At this point it is too late. But, if the situation is as dire as AV paints in I have to believe LOMBARDI will be sent to Hartford through waivers. I have to believe he would pass through without the slightest sniff from any other team. Why would they want to take on his contract when he hasn't even been healthy enough to win a job on a team with two open Center spots in preseason?

Vic


Thu Oct 2 2014 11:34 am EST

Typical Brooks. Does this whole thorough breakdown, who's a "lock', who's not lists everybody, how they might have to sweeten a deal like Andrew Yogan with a pick to create room on the 50 for Duclair, blah blah. Never mentions Lindberg once anywhere. From what I've seen, having finally watched the pre-season games, Lindberg has to be in the mix. He's so much more reliable than Miller defensively its not even funny. No guarantee JT will out-produce Lindberg either. If I'm a betting man, I bet AV has noticed and Oscar still very much in contention.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 2 2014 11:34 am EST

Wall friends--does Dou make the team?

thedugster


Thu Oct 2 2014 11:22 am EST

These players being released weren't under contract, but were PTOs

Messier11


Thu Oct 2 2014 11:16 am EST

Let me ask a cap question,,,Obviously a player like Lombardi has his contract (say 800k per) guaranteed and owed him, but if he's released and not picked up, does that 800K come off the cap???

Hospo


Thu Oct 2 2014 10:43 am EST

VIC - I'll take a shot at that...Not sure if it was directed at me but if it was, you are continuing to jump to conclusions with my posts....Young, old, experienced, new,I don't give a shit...., I want the best player for this year winning the spot.....Where I was wrong---so far--was in thinking that LOMBARDI would show he was that better player....he hasn't while the youngsters (say Miller and Mueller for example) have...So ,no problem if they go with the kids....However, let's not be shortsighted either....Lombardi has a groin injury (nothing he has had in the past) and it's hard to determine how he can help the team....Anybody that doesn't think it behooves the Rangers to keep him and his speed around somewhere (AHL, IR, conditioning stint) until healthy (hell, maybe even this weekend's games) and an evaluation can be made is just being age biased....His signing could be a waste like you think it is or, with patience, maybe his speed, PKing and all around play that the Rangers signed him for will rise to the surface...I'm still thinking there's a chance of that happening so why waste it?.......And where we disagree is crap like " I would rather have young, fast legs with tons of stamina then a 30 something year old vet with "experience" but who isn't physically able to compete the way he used to"..of course, anybody would if that vet can't compete....But if he can compete, that's a totally diffefrent story...Let's just wait till he gets a little healthy to see if he can or can't..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Oct 2 2014 10:31 am EST

Despite comments to the contrary, I guess it really was just about the money for Ryan. Shocker.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:33 am EST

It's not official yet, but it's believed Ryan signed a 7-year deal with an AAV of $7.25 mil.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:20 am EST

Whew - hopefully that means Bobby Ryan isn't coming to NY anytime soon! Sorry mf!

RF4L


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:19 am EST

The Penguins have announced that they have released Dan Carcillo from his PTO(Custance)

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:14 am EST

moof bobby ryan is signed...try again....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 2 2014 8:00 am EST

Hey All, -- I'm looking for 1 or 2 tickets to the October 12th game against Toronto at the Garden. Born and raised in NYC but I havent been back to the Garden in nearly 20 years... Any connections here on the wall for that game, or suggestions about picking up a seat? Thanks!

hipcheck


Thu Oct 2 2014 7:42 am EST

I agree that it's unlikely Klein gets moved regardless of McI's readiness. I can envision it happening and the next day someone on the backline going down with a long term injury. In other words, there's not enough depth. And what if Staal isn't signed as the deadline approaches? He needs to be moved if that's the case IMO.

RF4L


Thu Oct 2 2014 7:40 am EST

It is difficult to understand or read between the lines regarding AV's comments yesterday. He lamented the Rangers salary cap issues and STEPAN's injury and said the Rangers might be forced to carry only 12 healthy forwards plus STEPAN since they can't list him as on IR. Is he being honest or is there another motive to his comments. Is he trying to motivate someone (one of the kids or one of LOMBARDI, MALONE, STEMPNIAK)? I know I disagree with several folks here on this topic. Yes, we all want the Rangers to ice the best team it can and the best players that give them a chance to go deep in the playoffs. What I disagree on is when some folks favor vets over young players because of "experience". That is mostly crap. I would rather have young, fast legs with tons of stamina then a 30 something year old vet with "experience" but who isn't physically able to compete the way he used to. I don't understand the fascination with LOMBARDI. The guy hasn't played any amount of meaningful hockey in 5 years. I don't understand why the Rangers signed him, much less to a 2 year deal. LOMBARDI hasn't even shown he can play AHL level hockey again and some folks are talking about him as an important piece for the playoffs. Signing him made no sense for a team that is up against the Cap. Not only does it count against their reserve list it also handcuffs them them and prevents them from keeping players with the team that can actually contribute on the ice. Even if LOMBARDI were to prove he could still play in North America he is an injury train wreck waiting to happen. STEMPNIAK can at least still play. I can see him being a valuable player to have as the season moves on. MALONE as well and MALONE at least adds an element to the team that the Rangers lack.

Vic


Thu Oct 2 2014 5:01 am EST

Tax- put me down for not thinking Klein gets traded even if Mcl proveshe's ready. When Sather acquired him, he aaid that Klein's contract was very appealing, and that that was the kind of contract hat would be hard to get in the next few years. And if he were traded, we are getting a roster player. Rarely do you see a vet with contract years traded for a single pick. It doesn't work in a salary cap world. If Klein goes, we are getting the next Klein back.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 2 2014 4:43 am EST

mf- Agreed, I cant see us moving Klein either. But that won't mean that there won't be openings. We had a complete log-jam on D the year both Sauer and McD made it, but injuries opened things up for them. We played late in June last year, we will have a lot of injuries this year. 60 mangames lost on defense means 60 games played for the guys behind Klein on the depth chart. And 60 man games lost on defense isn't that much... Sometimes teams total up towards 400 games over a full season...

Ola


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:29 pm EST

If Girardi or Boyle go down, need a night off, or whatever, Klein is our main insurance policy..I can not see trading Klein this year... We seemed to address 2 of the four main holes needed to be filled: PF & PPQB.. The Crease Clearing Defenseman is coming up the Pyke, not quite here yet, but we've got an answer... With Stepan out, our hole / need at Top Line Center is glaring, same will be true if Brassard goes down.... Next, I think this influx of fowards creates a sense of security along with the excitement of the upcoming class, however it also shifts my worries back to the defense.. I'm worried about our 2nd pair, Boyles defensive play, & Staal's health.. I've got little to substantiate my worry's on the second pair, but they exist none the less... So we need a center to emerge, and in Hunwick we Trust.....

mf


Wed Oct 1 2014 10:03 pm EST

TD: I agree with you on DM and was thinking about the expend-ability of KLEIN as well. However, I just can't see the Rangers moving a player of KLEIN's ability when they are a team that can go deep in the playoffs. Especially when DM hasn't even played a full season of NHL hockey. I was thinking all of this the other day and then saw KLEIN wearing the "A" in the second game against Filthy. Now, there weren't many veterans on that roster who could have worn a letter but I thought it did say something about what the Rangers think about KLEIN. We just don't know what the Rangers are planning to do with that 7th D spot. I find it hard to believe they would keep DM as the 7th D and not play him much. That would be the worst thing they could do.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:29 pm EST

JFC - they want to keep McILRATH for more than just his fists. The guy was VERY solid back there in both games he played. I said it a little while back: were it not for KLEIN, he'd be the Rangers' sixth defenseman. They won't keep him up to ride pine. But they will keep him as long as they can to see if Klein is now expendable, IMO. They could get probably a second rounder for him...and if Mac is ready, that's a move they might just make.

tdchi


Wed Oct 1 2014 8:37 pm EST

MF, thanks for the info.. crazy stuff

KIS


Wed Oct 1 2014 8:11 pm EST

Well yeah cap stuff. But I figure the org has guys to do the figurin'. Gotta deal off some dough. Must be some someplace. But I don't expect it. This looks like the club we have.

Nick


Wed Oct 1 2014 7:29 pm EST

KIS: http://nypost.com/2014/10/01/soccer-superpower-signs-9-year-old-youtube-sensation/

mf


Wed Oct 1 2014 6:36 pm EST

....he plays well WITHOUT the puck....possibly better than JT does. And as someone said earlier....he is a sniper....a FINISHER. You spot the kid on the PP and let him continue to build confidence in REAL NHL games. He looks like the kind of player who can lift a team when he gets hot.

JFC31


Wed Oct 1 2014 6:33 pm EST

I think that AV is dying for a reason to keep Wrath on this team....I think that was illustrated by the whopping 22 minutes he got against the Flyers in game 1. That a hell of a lot of ice time for the kid and it tells me that AV, Beuk and Sammy want to evaluate his reads, his foot Ed, his positioning and his outlet passes. I don't think they give a crap about him getting rusty as a #7....they just want the guy to,work because of what he can do with his fists. That's why he's got a chance of sticking while Connor Allen doesn't. I also have no doubt that they're on the verge of keeping Duke because he is not just a one trick pony....the kid back heals, does a great job catching people, lifting their sticks and bolting the other way

JFC31


Wed Oct 1 2014 5:53 pm EST

AV talking about Stemp for some PP point.also about money and how it could affect decisions.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 5:12 pm EST

Where's the guy that pEE's in the Cheerios ?

mf


Wed Oct 1 2014 5:11 pm EST

I have a bad feeling but I see JT Miller is the new version of Del Zotto. good young player lots of potential. A little thick between the ears

KIS


Wed Oct 1 2014 5:10 pm EST

BrickBat # 1: How are you going to make the numbers work? http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Wed Oct 1 2014 5:09 pm EST

My potential is all gone. the only thing I have potential for is to piss people off..

KIS


Wed Oct 1 2014 5:09 pm EST

Nick... That's not peeing in in anyone's cornflakes, peeing in their cornflakes is saying something like Hagelin should be looking over his shoulder with some of the talent in the aRangers system. That this could be his last contract with the Rangers. At $2.5 Mil, he's a bargain but at $4-5 mil(which is what we're probably looking at on his next deal) he's probably pricing himself off the team. That's peeing in the cornflakes.... Seriously though, this team was 3 OT goals away from winning the cup. IMO, Stepan, Brassard, Richards and Moore did nothing that prevented us from achieving that goal. It would be nice to have a Thornton, but I just don't see how he fits with the cap the way it is.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 4:38 pm EST

Here I am to pee in the cornflakes! I've always been a yoots guy but come on ... package some of these people and get a real center in here, like everyone's favorite, Jumbo Joe Thornton! We have about 10 third-liners and maybe SJ can be hoodwinked. I figure if we are 'going for it' we might as well be serious. And Stepan/Brass and the other collection of centers ain't getting it done. Wow I am really asking for the brickbats! But that's how I see it.

Nick


Wed Oct 1 2014 4:29 pm EST

He might not seem as flashy as Duclair, but Haggerty has scored the 1st AND 2nd most impressive goals of this preseason imo, and neither were his forte, which is a PP gun. Now I guy like that on top of what we're talking about makes us a nightmare. Not enough sampling to say a guy is/isn't defensively up to snuff, but we know Stempniak is based on a large body of work. Same time, with new weapons in the mix + a guy like Haggerty, we stand to win the way I like it; outscoring the opposition by a lot.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 4:24 pm EST

Could someone out there please enlighten me on both Potulny and Desjardins ? I can't find them on our "prospects" rosters anywhere. Thanks..................

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 4:17 pm EST

I'm not down on Malone. I only said that he's injured, unknown, and not a lock. He is still exactly as you put it in the last post: an experiment.

Messier11


Wed Oct 1 2014 4:15 pm EST

RABID - Agree on Malone..And you may even want to look at LOMBARDI that way (if he ever shows he belongs)...And there will be other injuries....Why I've said all along that for the Rangers to be really succesful this year, BOTH the vets and kids (and we're talking 15-16 deep at forward) will be needed...That's why this camp has been really succesful for the most part..It looks like we have the depth..

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 4:14 pm EST

Rhet: Re Sather and dumb decisions - you got me on that one! LOL!

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:56 pm EST

Mess if you're down on Malone cause he got hurt, it could be a disappointing year in that regard. He's always hurt. But 6 weeks in April, that's what he's here for. A worthwhile experiment IMO. If the get a solid reg. season out of him, great. I look at him almost as a P/T player. When he's not in a kid gets a chance.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:49 pm EST

I must say I really like Duclair's offensive instincts. I know he has scored in every game-but it's not just that-he shows some of the same abilities that guys like MSL and Nash have. He made a move the other night, a few shifts after he lost the puck on the breakaway. He was carrying the puck over the blueline on a 3-on-3, entering on the left wing, and he made a crossover move towards the middle with a toe drag, backed up the defenseman who was on him, pulled the puck back and made himself room where it didn't exist, and absolutely ripped a wrist shot from about 40 feet that made Mason have to go back the other way and make an awesome glove save on. I want to see more-but so far he has stunned me with the poise he has shown.

puckyou


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:48 pm EST

Re Malone: what presence?? A couple of pre-season games followed promptly by injury? Malone still an unknown

Messier11


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:46 pm EST

MF, spot on regarding Malone changing the dynamic. Malone + DuClair even more so; more size & muscle & finish & speed. Just what we needed to add off last year. And Boyle for a PP point, but also to bang rink length passes to these guys buzzing around that no one can catch. Add an improved Nash and maybe even a suped-up Zuc line with Kreider, we are significantly better.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:41 pm EST

RF4L.... Stop using your logic and reason, this is Glen Sather we're talking about. He doesn't have any of those qualities. Look what we did with MDZ. I bet Duclair is with the team for 10 games this season, just because :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:40 pm EST

This is just speculation, of course, but if they are experimenting with MSL at Center (and I really don't like the idea at all) then it means two things to me. First, they haven't seen enough to sold right now on any of the options for the open Center spot during STEPAN's absence (HAYES, MUELLER, LINDBERG or LOMBARDI). MILLER is a lock already IMHO. It also means that they may be looking at a way to get HAGGERTY or FAST in the lineup.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:33 pm EST

stevie: If Duclair is sent back, he can only be recalled under an injury emergency basis and that's when/if the team suffers a large number of injuries. Once the crisis is over, he'll have to be returned. If he's sent back it's basically for the year. All that said, I'm still hoping he's sent back. I think if the Rangers are relying on a 19 year old rookie who's had one strong junior season (after one that was poor enough to have him drop in the draft in his draft year) to be the difference in whatever they are hoping to achieve (deep PO run), they are deluding themselves. They need far more than an underage rookie doing well. Is that to imply he couldn't help? No, it's possible but unrealistic to believe he'd be the difference. Does that mean he's not done well so far in pre-season and warrants all this discussion? Of course not - he's been very impressive. However, as I've said numerous times (and will continue to) it's wiser to err on the side of caution, especially when he'd go back to a strong team that has a guaranteed Memorial Cup berth. I want to see him challenge for the QHL scoring race (and hopefully win it), be a strong contributor on Canada's WJC entry and then be the go-to player for his team throughout next spring's POs. Those are all huge positives. If all that goes down, he'll come to camp next year in the position to clearly start the season as a fixture on the Rangers top 6. Imagine him and that Russian kid making the team next fall? It would be incredible dynamics...

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:29 pm EST

Hospo.... I said last night during the game that I expect Hayes to start the season in the AHL. I also think we should send Lombardi down for a conditioning assignment once healthy to see if he can get back into NHL shape and go from there(we gave the guy a 2-year deal for a reason),. I think Duclair and Mueller get the initial spots with Mueller being sent down when Stepan comes back. If Duclair falters, they can bring Fast back up. Anyway, JMO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:28 pm EST

I have a pair of seats....section 210 Row 4,,,,,,really nice view for Oct 16 vs carolina email me at jnyr2000@yahoo if interested for details...these are season tix without all the fee's

jnyr


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:27 pm EST

Malone's presence in this line-up changes the whole dynamic of the club... If healthy, I think he's pretty much a lock

mf


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:20 pm EST

the nyr are not that desperate that they need to keep the duke of éclair. I assume they can call him up from the juniors if they become that. Sather shouldn't send guys down that have to clear, unless veenyo thinks they don't belong here. vets make good black aces, kids should go down and prove they belong in the nhl, and get more experience.....veenyo can decide to make exceptions, but he can't hurt a kids progress by doing so..... but if you asked a kid , he'd probably prefer being a black ace..........it's a better problem than not having enough guys.....'winning' is all that counts......

stevielegs


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:17 pm EST

jnyr: KIS has potential? Well, whaddaya know! Maybe old dogs can learn new tricks after all!! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:09 pm EST

Don't think Stemp or Malone are locks yet, though they both have shown more than Lombardi

Messier11


Wed Oct 1 2014 3:03 pm EST

RHET - Just not well or consistent enough yet!,,,,,,The way I see it now.....11 spots are locked with Nash, Kid K, St. Louis, MZA, Brassard, Hags, Malone, Moore, Glass, Stemp, MIller.......And 2 forward spots amongst DUCLAIR, MUELLER, FAST.......with Lindberger and hayes on the outside looking in......And then there are two more decisions...do you keep LOMBARDI around until healthy? (I do)....And if you do and he impresses enough, .another decision will have to be made ..

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 2:42 pm EST

Ranger47.... Hayes plays all three forward positions.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 2:41 pm EST

Mueller, Lombardi, Malone and Stempniak would all need to clear waivers if sent down. JMO, but Mueller would be the easiest of the four to get through waivers. If that was the route we decided to go.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 2:36 pm EST

BTW - If they are experimenting with MSL at center I would have to assume that they are uncomfortable with other options at center - or, more likely, they are trying to free up another RW spot. If so, for who? Does Hayes play RW or LW?

Ranger47


Wed Oct 1 2014 2:32 pm EST

I'm assuming that Nash, Kreider, MSL, Brass, MZA, Hagelin, D Moore,and Glass are a lock for the team at F. Also assuming they also keep Miller, Malone and Duclair we have 11 F positions filled until Stephan gets back. Add in 7 D and 2 Gs we have 20 spots filled (with the 7th D still to be chosen). That means that 2-3 spots remain open (depending on whether they carry 22 or 23 players based on the cap). If Mueller can't be sent down without clearing waivers, I think they keep him as well. And, got to assume that at least one more vet makes the cut (Lombardi?, Stepniak?) with probably the rest of the team getting farmed out until needed due to injury. BTW, I think the 7th D will NOT be McI, since he'll get more playing time on the 1st D pair if sent down (and can always be called up as needed, especially later in the year).

Ranger47


Wed Oct 1 2014 2:12 pm EST

I read that MUELLER would have to go through waivers if sent down. If that is the case then given the way LINDBERG, HAYES and MUELLER have played so far my guess is that MUELLER (if any of the three) is the one who is kept with the Rangers during STEPAN's absence.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 1:58 pm EST

Good AV stuff on MSL... http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2014/10/01/audio-alain-vigneault-ryan-malone/

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 1:27 pm EST

The power play units the Rangers used at practice today were (Steve Zipay): – Mats Zuccarello, Derick Brassard, Chris Kreider, Dan Boyle and Ryan McDonagh. -Rick Nash, Anthony Duclair, Marty St. Louis, Lee Stempniak and Dan Girardi. -JT Miller, Chris Mueller, Ryan Malone, John Moore and Michael Kostka. Marty St. Louis spent time at center. (Zipay)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 1:22 pm EST

Tnx Trade. Just guessin along with the rest. Could see McIlrath in a platoon of sorts with Klein early on. Maybe they also fiddle with Klein in for Girardi, who didnt skate yesterday. Boyle's another who could use the odd night off, though obviously we need the point play almost always. Just sayin, the no. 7 role could get expanded. McI certainly adds a dimension we dont have. Already saw him sweep the crease clear and chase a guy out of the zone past the blueline LOL, as I watch these games & try to get caught up. Agree if JT cant grab one of two gaping holes it is, for him, a catastrophe.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 1:05 pm EST

Hospo.... I'd have to agree. Stemp and Lombardi are exactly the type of depth you pick up at the trade deadline for a playoff run. Both are also inexpensive. Off the top of my head, Kampfer and Chris Bourque do nothing for me.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:43 pm EST

TRADE - Why should they drop either? I see no reason too...And both still have a possibiloity of helping this team this year and going after the Cup...There's at least 8 players I would drop from http://www.capgeek.com/rangers/reserve-list/ before them

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:31 pm EST

If McI does not make it as a top 6 he has to go to Hartford and play 20 min a night. MCcII needs to develops. The 7th d man is for a fill in journeyman....not a kis with potential

jnyr


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:28 pm EST

Who's contract would the Rangers dump for Duclair? Stempy or Lombardi?

TradeStar28


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:26 pm EST

Rabid Ranger.....Glad to see you turned the other cheek and stayed here with your insight. There was always enough room on here for both u and Yorkie...and you both are great contributors when acting like Rangers fans should act to one another. Furthermore, I agree that McIlrath will stay as the #7 Dman. Rangers have Ulfie here and Beuk up in AHL so Mcilrath has plenty of good influences to change him to the NHL game for good. Plus he is needed in Eastern Conference with teams like the Flyers, Devils, Pens, Boston, Montreal, Columbus and Toronto. Big Mac adds an element just in case it is needed. Especially when you have other teams going after Mcdonagh, Girardi, MDZ, Stepan, and Nash on a regular basis.....I think it will be a good thing.

TradeStar28


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:21 pm EST

Thanks RF4L, I put two incoherent, incomplete thoughts together. I was going to say that I doubt very much that the Rangers move a player to open up a contact to sign Duclair at the start of the season. If they're going to go all the way to do that, they'd really have to be 100% certain that he's ready or they'd be wasting a year of eligibility if they sent him down after 9 games. To me, it just makes it seem like too much of a gamble to do it this season. It makes it a shame that he can't be sent to the AHL because IMO, there very little he'll get out of going back to the QMJHL . Having said that, there's a report this afternoon that the Rangers are looking to move a contract so they can sign Duclair... Soooo never mind :) .... Per Elliotte Friedman, the Rangers are trying to dump a contract via trade to make room for Anthony Duclair, should he make the club out of camp. Duclair is playing incredibly well, and the Rangers have nothing to lose by keeping him around as long as he earns it (his ELC clock starts this year regardless). However, since they are at 50 contracts, they need to dump one before Duclair can play an NHL game. Even if Duclair doesn’t stick with the club, dumping a contract would give the Rangers trade flexibility in the future.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:19 pm EST

I have seen the games aqnd have a little different take on MILLER than VIC ....Has started off games great with physical energy and talent (including some passing), but, to me, the last half of the games he has been average at best, mixed in with some real stupid mistakes in the D-zone . OTOH, he has also done real well in the FO circle, a big Ranger need..Damn, the kid has every physical talent..Coaching Staff and him will just have to work together big time on making the safe play in the defensive zone........Hopefully he just keeps getting better and better as the season goes along...

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:14 pm EST

RF4L -

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:10 pm EST

Vic: I haven't seen any games so I'll have to defer to you here (and/or the others on here who've seen him play this fall). I sure hope you're right, though.

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:10 pm EST

VIC - I don't think I was being too hard on guys like Haggerty, hayes and Lindberg..All have shown some great flashes (Hags on Monday, hayes does soemthing wild almost every game) and that they are no-doubt NHLers (only a matter of time), I just think the consistency isn't there and that they can become better players with a little more AHL experience,............RF4L - Agree that the injury to Step really makes it almost mandatory that the Rangers are patient with LOMBARDI......JT MILLER is loaded with talent but I don't know if his mind can be trusted in close games at the 2nd C....And Moore isn't a 2nd C either....The way I see it now, the Rangers would have to go with Brassard, Miller, Moore, MUeller (he seems more ready for steady NHL play than Lindberger and Hayes, to me)

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 12:02 pm EST

RF4L: MILLER already has stepped up. I have no doubt he can handle the offensive side of the second line Center position. He hasn't been bad defensively either and has made some good plays in his own end. He looks like a different player from last year. Yes, he still makes a boneheaded pass from time to time. So what. The Vets on this team do it from time to time as well. The real question to me is that open Center spot in the bottom 6. LINDBERG hasn't done anything to cement himself in that spot but he hasn't disqualified himself yet. HAYES may look gangly out there but he hasn't had a problem keeping up with the play and he has been EFFECTIVE in both ends of the ice. His reach has been invaluable to him in the defensive end as well. MUELLER has also made a pretty strong case to stick. He skates well and is pretty good on the PP. He also is a right handed shot so that may carry some weight if HAGGERTY or FAST don't stick.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:58 am EST

BTW, a center lineup of Brassard, Miller, Lindbergh/Lombardi, Moore (1 to 4) does little to overwhelm me. Who's gonna generate scoring chances (after you get past the 1st line)? Guess we'll need lots of Rick Nash magic and pray that Kreider is able to score on some his breakaways. Come to think of it, this may end up being the single biggest reason the club decides to keep Duclair - lines 2 and 3 need offensive catalysts because the centers are weak in that regard.

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:53 am EST

RR: Miller centering the 2nd line is more daunting for me that moving Moore up. LIke Lombardi, Miller is being presented with a fabulous opportunity here because of Stepan's absence. There are now 2 center ice positions available, including possibly one in the top 6. If he doesn't prove worthy for me it'll be disappointing given what some on here are saying about him. Can he step up?

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:45 am EST

Moore isnt playing 2C. Been there, seen that, no tnx. Why disrupt a checking unit too just cause Step went down? Brass centered our most effective O line last year. Wont argue semantics of it. He'll be fine 9-10 games. JT and Lombardi/Lindberg go 2-3 and thats it. Hayes, just got first extended look at'em, can barely keep up. Good hands/vision, but skates like Ron Greschner out there. HARTFORD! And someone call Barb Underhill.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:38 am EST

Vic: I agree McI should not be the number 7 d-man if it means he never plays. That's for someone like Hunwick or Kostka. On the other hand, can he actually supplant Moore or Klein to start on the bottom pairing? I haven't seen any of these games, but based on what I've read about them, I'd say no. Therefore, if no injuries occur, it's likely the Rangers will position him as the last cut and recall him (if his play in Hartford is satisfactory) if/when injuries do happen.

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:34 am EST

Oops...not kid, but veteran!

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:33 am EST

Hospo: Agreed on your stance on Lombardi. I, too, believe they intend to give this kid a chance to rediscover his NHL game, at least for the time being. Moore as your 2nd line center, backed by Miller and Hayes/Lindberg? Yikes - where does that rank overall in the NHL? Way down the list, I'd argue (and let's not forget that Brassard has yet to prove he can handle number 1 minutes). I'm guessing Lombardi has basically until Stepan returns to establish himself. If he doesn't, then he's in trouble (unless he's continually hurt and that's another issue for him altogether that could easily see him let go).

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:30 am EST

M11: ALLEN has been OK but I haven't been more impressed with him then I have DM. I don't think ALLEN played anywhere near well enough to have anyone look at him as a no brainer to stick with the club. Neither has DM for that matter but he has made less defensive gaffs IMHO and he brings something nobody else on this team can. If DM can continue to show that he can play a controlled, responsible D while bringing toughness and snarl he has a real shot to stick. Like everyone else though, if he is staying he needs to play a lot and not become this year's FALK. If we are looking for this year's FALK I would nominate HUNWICK.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:27 am EST

I, too, am glad to hear McI made these round of cuts. Doesn't mean he's gonna make it, but it's progress IMO.

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:24 am EST

No surprises for me for the cuts so far. Obviously more will be coming soon. HOSPO: I think you hit the nail on the head with a couple of the things you said. First, it didn't matter who he was playing with DUCLAIR just stands out. He is that good. I think your assessment of the way the rest of the kids played isn't off, but at the same time it isn't a fair measure. The reason I say that is because whichever of them make it up front they will be playing with two established NHL players on their line. They are going to be able to do much more and will be able to have a better impact overall. LINDBERG, MUELLER or HAYES would like much better in between NASH and MSL or HAGS and KREIDER. The same goes for guys like HAGGERTY and HRIVIK. They both played good games last night but they would have a much better chance of showing what they can do if they were playing on a mostly NHL roster. Speaking of HRIVIK, don't write him off yet. He has good size and is pretty strong on his skates. He plays a good two-way game and has good hands. That 4th line wing spot is still open. FAST has auditioned for it well but HRIVIK or HAGGERTY could claim it depending on what the Rangers are looking for.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:23 am EST

Guess McIlrath showing them something. One of leagues best D corps, no shame getting cut. No room. Reports of Lindbergs demise exaggerated.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:18 am EST

Cutting Allen sends the wrong message to kids who work hard in camp and do well

Messier11


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:07 am EST

I think the only one of this group that has a chance of coming back is TARNASKY, if and when GLASS gets hurt....

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:05 am EST

Sean Hartnett @HartnettHockey #NYR cuts: Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Tommy Hughes, Danny Kristo, Jason Missiaen, Nick Tarnasky and Petr Zamorsky

puckyou


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:05 am EST

Sean Hartnett @HartnettHockey #NYR cuts: Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Tommy Hughes, Danny Kristo, Jason Missiaen, Nick Tarnasky and Petr Zamorsky

puckyou


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:05 am EST

OK, here's a better summary from GROSS---"Re-assigned to Hartford (AHL): D: Allen, Bodie, Hughes, Zamorsky; F: CBourque, RBourque, Kristo, Tarnasky, G: Missiaen" Nio surprises..thiought they might send down more though..In time

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 11:03 am EST

REading Zips tweets.....MCI, Hunwick, Kostka, Kampfer all sticking around, but not ALLEN....LIndberg, Duclair, hayes, Hrvik (????) and Haggerty also staying but NO BOURQUE.....

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 10:44 am EST

OK, somebody mentioned to me yesterday on here that DUCLAIR could stay up all season (not just 10 games) and be sent down to Juniors at any time..Others are saying, the decision has to be made by game 10..Which is it.? DUCLAIR was defientely the only kid worth watching last night and oozes talent..he also knows how to play the game .......As for the rest, maybe it was just me, but that game was just so meh......Nobody sucked..but nobody outside of Duclair made the slightest bit of an positive impression on me (Ok, maybe Allen at times)........I still think almost every other kid from the lineup last night Including Hayes, Haggerty, Lindberg would benefit from more time in the AHL and should be sent down and get ready for recall later in the season..But I won't bitch if one of them makes the squad either............Mueller, Fast, Miller along with Duclair all have good shots.....I think some people are writing off guys like LOMBARDI and Stemp too quickly...Stemp looks like a top 13 to me easily and with nothing to gain in Hartford....As for LOMBARDI, we all know he showed nothing in his one game but I still think the Rangers are going to give him and his two year contract every chance to stick around even if it means stretching things out with IR stays and rehab assignments,,,They want the skills they signed him for, there just hasn';t been a chance for him to show if he still has it or doesn't...

Hospo


Wed Oct 1 2014 10:38 am EST

with all these newfound players, I would have no trouble moving Marc staal (given his contract situation) And one of these players like a fast and maybe more for a good cente. Having 3 or 4 good centers even when Step comes back wont be a bad thing.

KIS


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:50 am EST

Actually, I should have included MUELLER in the group of LINDBERG and HAYES. One of those guys will start with the team on either the 3rd or 4th lines as the Center until STEPAN comes back.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:43 am EST

There are several guys that could be released to make room for DUCLAIR on the 50 man reserve list. My guess is that LOMBARDI, CHRIS BORQUE or KOSTKA would be the most likely guys to get released.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:40 am EST

Lots of vets getting released around the league

Messier11


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:35 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/10/1/6878165/report-new-york-rangers-looking-to-make-room-for-anthony-duclair

puckyou


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:34 am EST

Much different game last night and Filthadelphia was certainly the better team for the first two periods. In addition to the advantage of having their regular NHL lineup against what was mostly AHL Rangers trying to make it, they also had the advantage of icing a team that has lines and defensive pairs that have played together. That showed early as the Rangers looked like a bunch of strangers trying to play together. I thought they got better as the game went on and I thought the Rangers had the better of the play in the 3rd period. Individually, the pair of MOORE and KLEIN were not good. Not at all. ALLEN had some good moments and some bad moments. Again, I don't expect perfection. TALBOT was much better then what we saw against NJ. As for the forwards. STEMPNIAK had a better game tonight then we saw in his first game. I keep him as a black ace. I know he has scored some goals in the past when he has played full seasons but I don't see it in him now. He reminds me of POWE. Good defensive player but isn't going to add much more. Given STEPAN's injury one of LINDBERG or HAYES is going to be with the team out of camp. I thought both had good shifts last night but I thought LINDBERG struggled with the physicality of the game at times. HAYES looks unpolished at times because he is. But, he seems to be able to make an impact in both ends of the ice. There is also no arguing that he is a playmaker with great hands. Had that goal gone in I think some here would be talking more about him. He beat everyone on that play and only GROSSMAN's desperation stick swipe in the crease saved the goal. I could see either making the team for different reasons. Once STEPAN comes back whoever it is will be sent down. DUCLAIR once again showed he is ready to play at the NHL level. I don't see why the Rangers would send him back to Juniors at this point. What does he need to learn or do there that he isn't already doing against NHL level competition? He sure doesn't need to work on his skating. He is defensively responsible. And he already has tremendous hands. HAGGERTY did not play a poor game. In fact, I thought he was fine. I thought MUELLER was pretty good as well. KRISTO had a decent game and a bunch of good shots. I don't think the forwards were bad last night. I thought the D struggled much more. I don't know that it is fair to ALLEN to judge him based on playing on a weaker team last night then DM had the chance to play with the previous night. That said, I'd like to see both play at least 1 of the two remaining games with an NHL partner. Right now I have DM ahead of ALLEN and HUNWICK. HAGS and D. MOORE were in regular season form and looked good.

Vic


Wed Oct 1 2014 9:08 am EST

AV says #NYR will cut down to "6 healthy lines, 9 or 10 D, and two goalies" by tomorrow's practice

stevielegs


Wed Oct 1 2014 8:50 am EST

gross.....My guesses for the Wednesday roster trim down: Forwards: Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Danny Kristo, Marek Hrivik, Ryan Potulny, Nick Tarnasky Defensemen: Mat Bodie, Tommy Hughes, Dylan McIlrath, Petr Zamorsky Goaltenders (This is easy): Cedrick Desjardins, Jason Missiaen

stevielegs


Wed Oct 1 2014 7:39 am EST

RR: Just reading the recaps of the games. I hope my interpretation is wrong. Guess we'll find out later this morning in terms of whether he survives the latest cuts.

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 7:33 am EST

Why the auto- presumption Lindy getting cut RF? Im not as tuned in as usual (couldnt be helped), but I havent seen ehete Lindberg hurt himself. Strong 1st game, IDK about 2nd. But Hayes doesnt evdn like middle & JT supposedly good but still stupid. And Lombardi out.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 7:25 am EST

BTW, what's up with Lindbergh? Gotta figure he's gonna be among those cut today, this despite lots of noise on here prior to camp that he was gonna challenge for the 3rd line center position (battling perhaps JT Miller)? That said, I'm not shocked, given who he was acquired for (I mean if he was that good, the Yotes wouldn't have given up on him) and his not exactly overwhelming rookie pro season last year. IMO, starting the season with Miller and say Hayes as your number 3 and 4 centers isn't exactly a cup contending roster. Lets hope Stepan heals quickly. Lombardi must be frustrated - there's a spot waiting for him, but he can't even contend for it right now.

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 7:11 am EST

What's with Sather and his penchant for making negotiations with his pending free agents so labourious? I don't get it. Given the rather uninspiring fight for the 7th d-man spot in the lineup in camp so far, Staal's presence becomes that much more crucial. If he's to be traded, another established d-man would have to come back in the deal, meaning you lose a chance to fill a void elsewhere (such as the center ice position, which is starting to become worrisome, IMO).

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 6:44 am EST

E Friedman saying no doubt NYR looking to move one body (from NY or Htfd) from their 50/50 in case they want to keep Duclair around. Paraphrased. I cant C & P. But this kid has all but made the team imo. If you think back to last year, one of the major weaknesses was lack of finish. Duclair's got it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 6:19 am EST

RF4L: Duke's contract was signed after some specified date in the CBA hence due the technicalities of that contract he is on the first year of his entry contract regardless of games played in the NHL this year.

gene_carr


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:00 pm EST

Bob: Not sure how the Rangers have burned a year of the Duke's contract. Please explain. And to clarify, that 9 game rule is all about not burning a year of an entry level deal. Once a qualified under-ager (started in the CHL before he was drafted) reaches game 10 played, year 1 of his deal is consumed. You're right, he can be sent back any time after that and if he is, he cannot be recalled (except under 'emergency' basis). It also counts as games actually played, meaning a team can have a kid sit for 30 games and play 9 and then send him back at game 39 of their season and not be penalized. Doing so (or keeping him for 1/2 the season) and then sending him back is just plain stupid and more often than not ends up wasting a year of development (like the Sabres did with that Russian kid 2 years ago or the Islanders with that kid they ended up moving to the Wild), which is even stupider. If there's even a smidgen of doubt, IMO, he should be sent back. Err on the side of caution - please.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:51 pm EST

RHET--I believe that is incorrect. I believe that due to the contract he is signed to, they can keep him as long as they want to. If they send him, he must go to juniors and cannot return. But they could send him after game 40 if they want to. They have already burned year 1 on his contract. If they keep him, they have to shed a contract as they are at 50.

Bob


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:44 pm EST

What happened to Haggerty tonight? Not a bad effort by the "B" team against the Flyers "A" Team....

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:36 pm EST

RF4L: Yeah, understand completely and agree... especially if we got some good talent down there, it would be great to get him a bunch of minutes LEADING from the D charge, but boy doesn't it feel like there is really not a lot going after our top 6 from the back end? Don't expect miracles, but boy didn't Klein and Moore look completely like the #1 pair out there. Just under-whelmed to say the least.

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:30 pm EST

Wow! AV - not a big one to really put it out in the media - is really showing his hand gushing a little bit about the Duke. Of course, who knows what is going to happen, but this kid is going to arrive soon. I just wonder... and maybe its because Kid-K has made me think a little different about it - Kreider was ready - gets sent down and plays like shit - and comes back and proves he's an NHLer. If they are ready is it better to let them dominate and run the risk of getting bored, or pump up the competition on the kid? His head seems pretty straight, which is a big one, but he brings all of the things that we really value on this team right now... speed to kill, the skill to back it up, and the poise to make it work. Kreider had a similar arrival - though, admittedly, a little older because of the college. Don't have an answer and the coaches will do what they should, but man... I love the fact that this kid is making it interesting. BTW, here's AVs comments after the game - pretty impressive stuff. http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6695/av-reacts-in-philly-discusses-upcoming-cuts#.VCtksildVR4

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:23 pm EST

Z: IMO you keep McI as the 7th d-man ONLY if you feel he's got little to learn by going back to the AHL.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:22 pm EST

Yes, I'm aware of that 9 NHL game grace period and if used properly, I get it (that being the kid really is forcing a legitimate decision and the club needs to see him in regular season action to better gauge his readiness). I also realize he's forcing the team's hand in that regard which is, obviously, a very good thing. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. If he does go back, he's likely gonna dominate and that will be great to see. He seems to have his head on straight, meaning he won't mope and pout if he's sent back.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:03 pm EST

I think VEENYO will probably pick hunwick ...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:40 pm EST

Oh, BTW - I have NO idea what to do about the 7th D-man. They all seem out of their depth at the moment. Do you keep the Undertaker? At least he is a stand out because of his physicality - at least he does something 'different'. The rest of these guys look pretty much equally 'meh'. AV has it right - nobody is 'taking it'. We have some really good kids up front, but need to restock the war-chest on the backend by the looks of it. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:34 pm EST

Man, I'll tell you - our kids looked ALOT better against the Flyers A Team then vice-versa. Good to let those kids get in the fire. The Flyers had some sustained pressure, but they didn't really wilt. Would have been tied (at least) if Hayes got that puck in that was behind Emery. Honestly, expecting most of the guys in the game tonight to get sent down. Duclair is the question - man, if this kid was a little more selfish tonight he would have had at least two more prime scoring chances. He is just one of those kids where the puck just follows him. Funny, am watching the Rangers game on the laptop and have the Bruins game on the TV. They were talking about some of their prospects in the past and how they were not afraid to keep a 19 yr. old on the team that showed he 'got it'. Players like Bergeron, Lucic, and Sequin... when you got it you got it. We'll see how it goes, but there are exceptions - and the Duke sure is making a case to be an exception. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:29 pm EST

I'll tell ya what....when the regular season arrives, we are go na skate circles around these slugs....they suck. We were right there with them the whole game and came on strong in the 3rd and that was most of their regulars out there.

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:25 pm EST

Stempie will make this team.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:15 pm EST

Du lair too unselfish....passed up two good shooting opportunities this game. Man, he looks good. Don't see how they can send him down....he plays well away from the puck, too.

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:13 pm EST

The king Prince duke and count ....

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:11 pm EST

BOB/RF4L.... The Rangers could only keep Duclair for 9 games before they'd have to clear out a contract to keep him on the roster.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:06 pm EST

Yo RF4L---the Duke may end up back in Quebec this season, but I doubt it is going to be for opening night. He looks like a keeper, for awhile at least.

Bob


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:05 pm EST

Man, what an oddball menagerie of players tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:03 pm EST

Ha know what? Ha can't let friggin' Simmonds abuse one of our young guys like that. I don't give a sh!t if it's only preseason, someone should send a message and knock his f%^kin' teeth out!

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:02 pm EST

Goalies pads are almost bigger than BAZOOKERELLA

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:58 pm EST

iggy: NHLN will rebroadcast the game tomorrow morning at 8;00 AM. Other than that we are out of luck.

gene_carr


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:55 pm EST

Kevin Hayes is going to start the season in the AHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:53 pm EST

Duke of eclair

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:52 pm EST

If Cam Talbot's AHL stats are any indication, he may be in for a tough season..... DUCLAIR!!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:18 pm EST

A game like tonight is REALLY telling and pretty fun to watch. It's great seeing these kids have to react against NHL-caliber talent... meaning, you don't have time to react. They're hanging with all their might! LGR!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:16 pm EST

7:26PM: In regard to Marc Staal.... On Insider Trading, Pierre LeBrun said “There is a good chance that they will be able to but they are not there yet. There were productive talks before camp started and those will resume very soon. I think the Rangers would love to get Staal signed to a deal around Dan Girardi but I think Staal is looking for a bit more so they will need to find a place in the middle. (TSN) 5:55PM: StaalThe Rangers and Marc Staal have made “no progress whatsoever” on their way to a contract extension. (NY Post) There have been no “meaningful talks” between the Rangers and Staal’s agent for “weeks.” (NY Post) The Rangers are believed to be offering the six-year deal worth $5.5 million per year that Dan Girardi signed and “don’t appear inclined” to go higher.” (NY Post) Staal is looking for at least $6 million per year on a six or seven year deal. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:17 pm EST

BWAHAHA! DZ steps on the ice and the Rangers score a shorty. Lol. Go Hags!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:16 pm EST

Game is blacked out on MSG on DTV in TX. Anyone know where I might find it? It's not on NHLN or NBCSN.

iggy


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:15 pm EST

HAGGY shorty

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:06 pm EST

del zero in for the Cryers tonight?

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 4:38 pm EST

Sorry HOSPO, my misunderstanding.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 4:25 pm EST

PJ - SIMMONDS will be buzzing Talbot all night, like he does every game...Love to see KLEIN obliterate him like he did Boyle and Dorsett last year,,C'mon Kev, it's only exhibition, throw in a fight for us,.:)

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 4:13 pm EST

Brooks article in today's NYPOST 4:05 pm.... Quotes several informed sources, must be referring to RFC/ aka, The Wall....

mf


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:57 pm EST

Klein is a very good fighter but rarely fights....He may not have a choice tonight....Hope he stands up for his teammates....I believe the Flyers will play an extremely physical game and will attempt to humiliate the Rangers....Usually backfires on them though....

PJ


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:02 pm EST

VIC - I don't see where anybody on here said the game was meaningless..Only the score is meaningless...We all know the game is very important to the players trying to win those last jobs as well as the vets getting ready for the season..Best competition yet, who comes up big?

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 2:27 pm EST

Actually, I don't think the FLYERS intend to goon it up. If they were going to do that I would have thought they would have done it last night, not tonight. Tonight they are icing their regular season lineup. I'm sure they are just as concerned about an injury to GERIOUX, etc. My guess is that they will focus on trying get their lines and team playing some time playing together going into the season. They may want to blow the Rangers out tonight but I don't expect it to get out of hand. It will be physical and their usual suspects will still be assholes but other then an incidental fight or two I wouldn't expect this one to blow up. But, you never know when Filthadelphia is involved. As for what this game means or doesn't mean I couldn't disagree more with the sentiment that it is meaningless. Jobs are going to be won or lost tonight for the Rangers. If the kids come out and light up the Flyers starting lineup it means something. If DUCLAIR continues to put up a goal and an assist a game it means something. If HAGGERTY, LINDBERG and a few others play a strong game it could very well cement a spot on the roster. If ALLEN and HUNWICK play well that could mean they make this team. Now, the same is true for the opposite. If those same players implode (unlikely) or just seem overmatched that will be all AV needs to see to say that are not ready. In short, with cuts coming right after this game, it is make or break time. If DUCLAIR is going to make this team it probably happens because of tonight. The same goes for HAGGERTY, LINDBERG, HRIVIK, MEULLER, HAYES and even STEMPNIAK. I don't think BORQUE or KRISTO have a shot at this point. The other kids have just played so damn well.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 2:05 pm EST

Rangerlou- Just like last night, the outcome of the game will mean nothing, even if it's 8-0 one way or the other.. It will be forgotten by Thursday,,,,but it will be good to see how guys like Duclair, Haggeryt, Hayes, Mueller and Lindberg fare against their best competion yet,,..and if any of the extra-D-men have what it takes,

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:59 pm EST

I just hope we dont get trashed tonight. Physically and and Spititually

rangerlou


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:45 pm EST

I think tonight's lineup us a smart one - gives all the prospects a chance to show what they have and keeps our key players from getting injured in a game in Philly where we can expect the Flyers to seek some physical revenge.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:29 pm EST

Tarnasky and KLEIN (Moore and Klein will get ALOT of time) with the pugilisitc endeavors tonight...Klein can throw them when he wants to

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:26 pm EST

I was totally impressed by the kids last night, but let's temper our gaganess with the fact the the Flyers iced a a scrub team last night, like the Rangers are doing tonight...JFC/VIC - Been saying that for awhile and this morning about the Rangers potentially being in a great trade position come the deadline with alot of ammo and chips...And there's not one kid or support vet I wouldn;t trade to give us really improved chance at a cup....Some kids you keep..some you trade...All we can hope for is that BOTH the kids and vets play well because we are, without a doubt, going to need both

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:23 pm EST

Thrilled to death that they are playing the "WolfPack" lineup tonight...In fact I don't think the Rangers should EVER play the Filthies in preseason...I was at the 500 penalty minute fiasco many years ago where there were only 8 skaters a side for the 3rd period...An outright disgrace...Accomplishes absolutely nothing except the worry that our of our premier players gets taken out by the likes of a Zach Scortini....It was reported that zombies said they were scared when they saw that guys face.

RF73


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:48 pm EST

TD: As far as I am concerned I say "Bring it on". What better way to see how these kids stack up against NHL level talent. I guess it might be better if it was more of a mixed roster so that the guys you want to really look at have NHL players around them but so be it. When I look at the Rangers forward lineup the first thing that comes to mind is "How are the Flyers going to skate with these guys?". The Flyers are a slow team to start with and this Rangers lineup looks fast. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:15 pm EST

Rangers lineup announced...man...gonna be a LONG game tonight...so basically, the Rangers are starting the Hartford Wolfpack plus KLEIN, HAGELIN, MOORE and TALBOT...against the starting lineup for the Flyers...You got to wonder whether the teams agreed to this situation before scheduling the games...The kids played great last night, but man...Who the hell is going to contain GIROUX on that defense?!? I hope I'm wrong, but I see the tables being turned tonight: Goalies: Cam Talbot, Jason Missiaen Defensemen: Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Matt Hunwick, Kevin Klein, Mike Kostka, John Moore Forwards: Ryan Bourque, Anthony Duclair, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Danny Kristo, Oscar Lindberg, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Lee Stempniak, Nick Tarnasky

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:09 pm EST

JFC: Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. At the deadline it will be those young kids going elsewhere for veteran players for a playoff run. That is the mentality of GMs and a lot of folks here. I don't agree with it but it is what it is. The Rangers will end up trading HAYES and MUELLER for SHANE DOAN or something like that. It drives me crazy sometimes.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:56 am EST

If the young guns continue to impress from preseason right through the regular season (whether in NHL or AHL), then Sather is gonna have the ability to make alot of noise via TRADES. If we are a Cup contender at the deadline (and we should be), Sather will have greater ability to make a couple of blockbusters to get us the ingredients that AV feels he needs to make us a Cup favorite because we've got young players who can take the place of veteran players who other teams might want in package deals. Seems like we've got a multitude of young guys who are gonna be capable of NHL duty very, very soon, if not ready already.

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:39 am EST

One other thing to think about. The Rangers have played A LOT of hockey over the last few seasons. I think they were second in the number of games played to LA. That doesn't count the International games that were played by a number of the Rangers. The team may need the infusion of young, rested legs to get them over the first part of the season when there may be a little hangover effect. OLA: I was also thinking of a way the Rangers could keep at least one extra D and two extra forwards to rotate them through the lineup with the Regulars throughout the season. It makes a lot of sense to me. If everyone played about 5 out of every 6 games that would cut down on the number of minutes played for everyone this season and help keep everyone rested. Basically the idea is to keep 7 D and 14 forwards and rotate them through the lineup on a fairly even basis. This would also help cut down on the number of games for the younger players who aren't used to a full 82 game season plus playoffs. The problem for the Rangers is they are up against the Cap. I don't know if they have the room to do something like that.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:32 am EST

Just for grins here is my opening night lineup so far: MALONE-BRASSARD-MZA, NASH-LINDBERG-MSL, KREIDER-MILLER-HAGS, GLASS-MOORE-FAST. If MALONE is unable to go I would slide KREIDER up to the BRASSARD line and dress DUCLAIR with MILLER and HAGS. That line would be insanely fast and tough to play against. On D it would be McSSIAH-GIRARDI, STALL-BOYLE, KLIEN-MOORE. If GIRARDI can't go move KLIEN up with McSSIAH and put DM with MOORE.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:22 am EST

HOSPO: Yes, but that rule doesn't count for DUCLAIR. Basically the rule is that after the 10th game you burn that player's first year of his entry level contract. My understanding is that the Rangers have already burned that first year due to the time/way the contract with DUCLAIR was signed. The result is that the Rangers can keep him for as long as they want and send him back down to Juniors at any time this year. He cannot go to the AHL but he could go back to Juniors after 10, 20, 30, 40 or however many games the Rangers want.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:18 am EST

Where to start!!! I don't care who Filthadelphia dressed last night. What I care about was what I saw from the Rangers. This may be the best training camp and preseason I can ever remember for this organization. I don't ever recall the Rangers having this many young players with this kind of speed and talent fighting to make the team. DUCLAIR is some talent. I don't see how he benefits from being sent back down to Juniors. He is big enough to play NHL hockey now and he needs the competition to continue to develop. Plus, there is a chance of him developing bad habits if he is that much better then everyone else. I was hoping HAGGERTY would get a chance to show what he can do on something other then the 4th line and boy did he ever last night. The kid can play and I love the fact that he is a right handed shot. He can be a weapon on the PP this year if he gets the chance. HAYES did some solid things and showed some great hands. I have to believe that he is going to get sent down to be Hartford's #1 Center while he gets used to pro hockey. I would not be surprised at all to see him called up during the year. MUELLER continued to look good and is another right handed shot with excellent PP instincts. FAST had a solid defensive game and proved he can add offense as well. In my mind he has shown enough to make this team on the 4th line and will be a PK specialist. I said yesterday that I didn't like the idea of MILLER with NASH and MSL and while that "line" had a decent game I didn't think MILLER did. It looked to me like MILLER was trying to hard to get the puck to those two instead of just playing his game. There will always be some "AK27" in MILLER (meaning shiite for brains) but I can accept that. If NASH and MSL are going to be kept together I would rather it be with someone like LINDBERG who can just concentrate on playing the defensive side while letting those two run wild.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:00 am EST

One question: Does the NHL still have the rule where a Junior-eligible player like DUCLAIR can stay in the NHL for up to 10 games?..Another thing I'm loving about all these young guns showing they belong and the protential of also keeping the Vets like Malone, Lombardi etc..around some how (decisions up to Sather and AV) is that this team will have plenty of ammunition if it needs to make a trade for a missing piece come the deadline..This team is set up real nicely!

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:56 am EST

Staal did not have a great SCF series in my opinion....The series that mattered most...

mf


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:35 am EST

TDCHI - I'll tip my hat to you on HAGGERTY..He shocked the hell out of me,.,The kid has a nose for the net and knows what to do when he gets there...Also made some good defensive plays...Is he a full season NHLer? Can he still et better in the AHL? These are questions AV and Sather have to answer?.....DISAGREE on MILLER ..Saw more than the one huge mistake (the type of mistake that loses games)..Saw some little one, saw some shoddy passing in the last 2/3rds of the game..and some standing around...Being a buzzsaw when all is going rioght for the team is easy...Glad he came to camp focused and ready to play and he has ALL the physival tools..but still think he has a 10 cent Brain...No doubt he makes the team, and likely at the 2nd center, but also a player the staff will have to work with alot and may even bench during the year...

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:34 am EST

I always try to look at more than what a young player does on the ice in regards to his ability to be a pro. There is a mentality about things, the way they say things, how much it sounds like the normal soundbite or how real it sounds. Duclair has shown on the ice that he has the skill needed to play in the NHL, his game looks good, now the question is, will he be good enough without the puck, and good enough with it and strong enough when the pre-season ends and regular season begins, and could he handle the secondary ramp up as the playoffs approach and again as the playoffs start?The vets don't go at 100% until the very end of the pre-season usually, but the kids do, and thats why sometimes they look better early on. HOWEVER there is something Duclair said that grabbed me, he is either really good at making it sound really good, or he really gets "it" ::: “Going back to juniors wouldn’t be a downgrade at all,” Duclair said. “It’s just a question of development. I’m still a kid, I’m still 19 years old. There’s still a lot of things I need to work on. Like I said, I want to stay here as long as possible, but if I end up going back to juniors it’s nothing bad.”::: If he really feels this way,and really understands the situation and accepts it as not being a bad thing, this kid will ams the jump form the Q to the NHL, if not this year, than next. Only size and experience may slow him down at all. But all in all, I can't believe they got him in the 3rd round.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:16 am EST

RF4L - Nah...they're going for the win tonight...Rinaldo is the only joker in the lineup right now..and then there's the giant windbag, Simmonds...don't see why they wouldn't skate Big Mac a second night...I certainly would...He's an RHS...Allen is an LHS. Put 'em on a line together, I say.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:09 am EST

TD: From what I've read, no skating for Girardi until Friday and if so, it's more than a maintenance day. Agreed on being careful who you dress against a goonsquad like the Flyers, but players have to get playing time and to me, if you're worried about injuries due to a stupid team like the Flyers, why even agree to play them in pre-season? It'll be worse tonight - it's in Philly. Hopefully, Taranasky will dress because it sounds like McI won't (because Allen will).

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:08 am EST

PJ/MF- Based on your assessment of Marc Staal, I will assume you were both out of the country and missed the NHL playoffs last year...

schneidw


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:07 am EST

Well, if the Rangers were playing the ECHL team last night, they're playing the regular-season Flyers tonight. Here's there lineup: Schenn-Giroux-Voracek;Raff-Vinny-Umberger;Read-Couturier-Simmonds;Rinaldo-Bellemare-Akeson...on D Streit-Grossmann;Morin-Coburn;LSchenn-Del Zotto...Psycho Emery in net.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:00 am EST

RF4L - Last I heard GIRARDI was having a maintenance day...And in truth, why do you want a soldier like that playing in pre-game? I tell you, I was a little disappointed to see McDONAGH skating against those goons, especially after he took an elbow to the face...last thing we need is either of them injured by one of these minor-league hacks.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:19 am EST

And for the SSM Greyhounds, Brandon Halverson is 2 and 0 and more importantly, has played both of the team's regular season games. He was the team's backup last year - guess he's the number 1 now.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:19 am EST

And for the SSM Greyhounds, Brandon Halverson is 2 and 0 and more importantly, has played both of the team's regular season games. He was the team's backup last year - guess he's the number 1 now.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:16 am EST

BTW, good start for Adam Tambellini since he was sent back to junior: 2 goals, an assist and a +1 in 2 games for the Calgary Hitmen.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:31 am EST

Anyone know what's wrong with Girardi? AV saying not serious and he'll be on the ice by week's end, but although he's a horse, we've speculated on here numerous times about his style of play lending itself towards injuries as he gets older. I find the Rangers are being rather secretive about what's ailing him.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:14 am EST

Couple things: I don't know how anyone could watch that game and come up with 'MILLER is a third-line center.' I'd say he didn't play AS good as his first two games, but he still played a good game...made one boneheaded play...but outside of that, the kid was all over the place...granted, he got outshined by the other supernovas last night...but he had a VERY solid game...still haven't seen any indication that he'll be a bad fill-in for STEPAN...Was 70 percent in the faceoff circle too...What I tell you guys about HAGGERTY? Though he chooses last night to score goal in a way totally contrary to how I was characterizing him several hours earlier...Really liked McILRATH'S play...I think he's either ready or just about ready for NHL duty...Nothing more to say about DUCLAIR that hasn't been said already...I'd caution to take STAAL'S play with a grain of salt...the one negative I did take from that game is that BOYLE is an absolutely dreadful defenseman. The only way that guy is going to play minutes at D is if he gets partnered with a beast like Staal...Tanner GLASS and Rick NASH did a lot to win me over last night...both had great games...and I'd say again that HUNWICK is the odds-on favorite to win the seventh defender roll.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:14 am EST

A lot of fun to pound the cheesesteaks no matter what time of the year! Two "WOW" moments last night. 1. DuClair's opening marker was a laser to the top left corner, I believe, because even in slow motion I didn't see the damn thing! This kid has skill. 2. Hayes no look pass from Gretzky's office to Fast was a thing of beauty and a real eye opener! Love what I saw from the kids last night and the Undertaker looked VERY poised compared to previous outings. The future is BRIGHT! LGR! Drop the puck!

DCIGolfer


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:34 am EST

Stevie....great Summer....and just drinking in general.....no KoolAid LOL!

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:27 am EST

Love the kids...future looking better. I think DuClair needs another year in Jr's to mature physically....and becoming a Fan of both Glass and McIlrath.....

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:27 am EST

Love the kids...future looking better. I think DuClair needs another year in Jr's to mature physically....and becoming a Fan of both Glass and McIlrath.....

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:06 am EST

Haha here is a link. http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/sverige/shl/article11253196.ab He had 5 lines, but sat 2 every game and played with 3 lines all games. If used in the NHL all players would only play 49 games a year.

Ola


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:04 am EST

Can't we play with 2 teams in the NHL? ;) A very experienced coach in the SHL (Leif Boork) tired to play with 5 units/lines some time ago. He had a set rotation schedule where all units played the same amount. Maybe AV should try it? In the SHL the players revolted after a horrendous start, but... ;)

Ola


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:51 am EST

Man that is some serious showtime sh*t from Haggerty. Pure goal scorer's goals. Some guys look to tip-toe to the net and thru the crease. This kid attacked it with speed, tremendous hands and knows just what he's doing. Dont care who you're playing, no goalie is stopping those. Stempniak must be looking at Haggerty, Fast and DuClair and thinking he shouldve signed elsewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:11 pm EST

MF - I think for awhile STAAL wasn't as physical as he used to be before the injuries...but I thought he was extrermely physical and at times nasty in last years PO..Hopefully that is an indication of that part of his game being back..

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:08 pm EST

mf....No doubt Staal isn't as physical as he once was....Before his concussions he was becoming a dominant D'man....His battles with OV were classic....He is still good but I wouldn't give him big $$$ for 5-6 years.....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:08 pm EST

Boston signed Smith & Krug to one yr deals, they're over the Cap by $3.6mill, but once Savard ($4mill) is placed on the LTIR, they clear...........http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732187&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:08 pm EST

PJ - Hope you are right with Allen..I gotta see more/better before I can think his ceiling is anything more than a 6th-7th D-man

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:04 pm EST

Hope I'm as wrong as wrong can be on Staal.. Noticed he's been penalized half the minutes since pre-concussion days, does this mean he tapered off the physical part of him game? That's what I see in the tea-leaves........ Hopefully the defense doesn't turn into our Achilles Heel............

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:03 pm EST

Allen is arguably closer than McIlrath, and several are poised to compete with Skjei next year (Bodie, Zamorsky, Noreau, Anderson)

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:03 pm EST

Hospo....I like Allen on D also....Has looked good so far....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:02 pm EST

Hospo....I like Allen on D also....Has looked good so far....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:52 pm EST

PJ - By signing college boys such as Hayes and Haggerty a well as a young FA like MUELLER together with signing the vet that he did, Sather really grew the system and solidified the pipeline this off season.......I questioned the talent in the org before this year but my mind has kinda been put at ease....Not saying it's the best, but it's fine...Well, maybe except the defense which only has McI and Skeji

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:51 pm EST

Miller did have a real bad turnover that led to a goal but he also had a great start to tonight's game...Was all over the place....Overall he has had a strong preseason....The one thing that does worry me is Boyle's defensive play....He flat out sucks and turns the puck over far too much....Staal will lose his mind playing with this guy....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:46 pm EST

Not sure how watching these kids do so well can be looked as anything but awesome....People come on here talking about various site rankings of our prospects and claim we are a mess for trading our picks....Now we see guys like Duclair and Haggerty actually putting on a show and some still can't recognize we may have some damn good youth in this organization....Early yes but I am stunned at what I have seen thus far.....Tomorrow night could get ugly fast....Hope AV has some muscle dressed....Flyers didn't care for tonight's smackdown....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:34 pm EST

Thats why McD is first pair and Staal is second. Think we can play 82 without a second-pair shut down D? See Philly tonight

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:30 pm EST

McDonagh also registered 77 games, 14 goals, 29 assists, 43 pts & +11, while Staal played 72 games, had 3 goals, 11 assists, for 14 points and was a -1...... 11 assists..

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:22 pm EST

Been saying for awhile, vets or kids (and the Rangers will need both this year), the Rangers are a very talented and fast team that is very capable of winning the EAST this year..Tonight did nothing to dissuade me......Just scattershooting around...I saw Haggery for the first time the other night and saw nothing, but he blew me and the Flyers away tonight....same thing with Duclair, the lkid oozes talent and knows how to play the game..I don't know if these guys are ready for the NHL now but if not, they will be soon * and DUCLAIR in the QMJHL seems a waste).....Jasper FAST....nothing spectacular but smart and is always in the right place..and that's twice he has buried a shot....no problem if he's a 4th liner......Wasn't that impressed with HAYES but then he makes that play and pass from behind the net that few can make..Again, he will be in the NHL sooner or later.just a question o timing....And MUELLER, I don't care about his goal, but here's another guy that does a little bit of everything...Should be in the NHL but not sure if he will be for the Rangers...Might be best as Captain of the WolfPack!.......And I don't expect perfection from McILRATH...keeping that in mind I thought he was more than fine..i thought his mobility and decision making was good enough for a 6th-7th D-man and his toughness and mean streak is desperately needed...Speaking of that, I LOVE Tanner GLASS...That guy needs to play every single night.......And, gotta say it, the WORST of The KIDS was easily JT MILLER..Again, so physically talented but so damn STUPID at times...made even worse by standing still after he makes mistakes...his passing was also subpar tonight..finding skates too many times...I'll be honest, I like him better at wing....One thingI hated as a team is when nobdy jumped in for MZA when he double whacked by the Flyers..oh well, small potatoes for now...But why MALONE and GLASS will be needed every night

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:27 pm EST

Nick: Yeah, kinda thought that. Love the kids doing well and 100% want it to continue. However, lots of history of kids dominating in preseason and flaming out when the games really count. Just saying....

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:25 pm EST

Rabid.... I do prefer 91 on him, but he surrendered 12 so Stempniak could have it. How ironic would it be if he took Stempniak's job away from him?

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:21 pm EST

Sounds like the kids are in full bloom. Cant wait to get back & rack up the dvr. Even Jesper, 2 goals, growing on me. Saw where he switched to 91 cause its his DOB. Good for him. Stemp & Lombardi better move their ass or it'll be all kids + Malone. Big night for McIlrath too from what Ive seen.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:17 pm EST

Nick; So Haggerty abusing a highly sought after Dman ( MacDonald ) and an NHL starting goalie ( Mason ) means nothing ?

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:14 pm EST

Staal was third among our D with hits last season, just five fewer than McD.

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:11 pm EST

RF: Flyers iced an ECHL team. Ours was more AHL. In keeping with my usual outlook, I'll say these games mean less than zero.

Nick


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:07 pm EST

Zach Stortini- scary thought is was drafted in 2003 and got 4 NHL seasons in which more than Hugh Jessiman can claim... ugh! Still tortured by that draft after 10 years..

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:07 pm EST

Zach Stortini- scary thought is was drafted in 2003 and got 4 NHL seasons in which more than Hugh Jessiman can claim... ugh! Still tortured by that draft after 10 years..

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:58 pm EST

Kis; JT a checking center at best ? Cmon. I think his ceiling is higher than Brassards, which is a good thing. What a sick pass from Hayes to Jesper ! I am liking this kid Hayes ! He has some good hockey IQ with patient skills. Big Mac had a good game. Mueller better than expected. Rangers in good shape. A good dearth of talent. Many options. AV has some huge decisions to make.

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:53 pm EST

i've said it before and I'll say it again... If Haggerty continues on this tear he's been on, I just don't know how the guy doesn't make the team.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:40 pm EST

BTW, didn't see the game - did the shitbox Flyers ice a team that closely represents what we'll see in 2 weeks??

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:39 pm EST

I would tade staal He doesn't want to play physical. 6Mill/ Take a hike. He is 4.5 -5 at best. If another team wants to pay him 7 mill let him go. I don't feel good about Nash either.Jt miller average game tonight. I don't see him as a 1st line or 2nd line center. checking center at best. I don't think he makes others around him better. He works hard as hell.

KIS


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:38 pm EST

Phuck-prick Rinaldo would NEVER fight someone like McI. Rinaldo's presence, however, is exactly why McI is needed.

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:38 pm EST

All that ice time bodes well for McIlrath....means he's right there....they want to have an extended look at him and see every aspect of his game and if he's NHL READY.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

some very good play from the youngsters. Duclair, speed and a great shot. Haggerty great pick up quick and quick hands. I like the size and vision of hayes. That said I think all should still go down. Let the confidence grow. Lets get a body of work before we classify them stars. jes[er fast good in front of goal, still gonna have a hard time making team. Could he be a Jan erixon type as he is very responsible in all zones. good speed as well seems to have good balance. I thought McIlrath played very good. He didn't get out of control. skated half decent but he always gives good support to his mate and other players. Hits hard. He has a presence. Plus he almost always keeps possessin of the puck doesn't give the puck away. Plays simple. big thing is you didn't see the flyer monkeys going stupid. Kid is a positive.

KIS


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

Sounds like the Rangers have like 5 NHL rookie of the year candidates! Woohoo!

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

Big, bad Zac Rinaldo....Wrath knocked his ass down twice this game...HARD...and Rinaldo just skated away. Real tough guy....when he's against smaller players. Otherwise, he's a puss.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:35 pm EST

We out hit them 40-30, out shot them 37-25, arguably won both fights, doubled them up on score, got goals from four different kids, 7 players with multi-point nights. Glass led everyone on the ice with five hits. McIlrath got almost 22:00, led on ice time. Brassard finishing 81% on face-offs with Miller right behind at 70%. A lot to like about tonight.

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:27 pm EST

now they do

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:24 pm EST

announcers didn't mention Glass setting up that play

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:14 pm EST

uh oh. Is this how Hank starts the season again?

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:06 pm EST

hey all -some very impressive play by the younger guys regardless of who they are playing against, they still scoring big league type goals against pretty good goalie. Going to be some interesting choices. Flyers are total trash -not sure if Stortini is a player or one of their fans? Great line MF about Simmonds doing the verbal turtle- I certainly had a good laugh. Typical though he'll play tough at home tomorrow instead..

jim9k26


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:04 pm EST

Duclair can rip it. Nice release too.

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:53 pm EST

I wouldn't want to be AV and make some of these decisions. Duclair looks like he can play offensively in the NHL now, defensively not sure. I saw a bunch of RPI highlights on Haggerty, he has a real good shot and nose for the net. The Vets like Stempniak, Malone have to clear waivers, which might be the reason the kids don't make it, but so far they look like players.

puckyou


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:43 pm EST

Does Al Tratwig ask Haggerty about his Abs, Baloney Baton or Pinch his ass when they cut for a commercial.

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:27 pm EST

RF4L ! :-)

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:26 pm EST

that's 4 out of 5 right handed shot goals

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:26 pm EST

Who needs draft picks???

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:24 pm EST

Wow what a bunch of classless cowards

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:19 pm EST

What if Powe scores on Hank???

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:16 pm EST

Stortini

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:15 pm EST

Storting is a worthless POS....not even a hockey player. Can't skate, slow as whale sh!t....worthless goon

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:15 pm EST

that's 3 out of 4 goals on right handed shots

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:14 pm EST

Haggerty has good burst. Sneaky quick with a great shot !

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:14 pm EST

Hahahahahha told Ya!!!!!!! Taggerty is a Freaking SNIPER!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:14 pm EST

Need to find spots on bottom 12 for Duke, Haggerty, Lindberg, Fast, Hayes. Got to think it's no coincidence that Malone, Lombardi catch veteran flu right before cuts

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:11 pm EST

Haggerty is getting noticed!

nyfans


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:11 pm EST

Zucc with great chances that he gives away, Nash with no shot and refuses to pass

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:10 pm EST

Hate when Zucchini tries to thread the needle instead of shooting

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:09 pm EST

Love the role MSL is playing on the bench, talking to the kids, tutoring them.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:03 pm EST

Wow, could it be that we actually have some prospects? JT, Duclair, Hayes, Haggerty, Buchnevich coming?

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:58 pm EST

What I hope I'm seeing: the Rangers will give the NHL fits with their speed and they ain't takin' any sh!t from anyone.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:56 pm EST

JT Miller, Duclair, Zuccarello, Nash,Fast, .Haggerty,Are running circles around The Cheesesteaks

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:53 pm EST

Hhahahahhah ahahhaha ahahahaha ahahhahahhahah Al Trautwig comparing abs with Mcilrath

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:52 pm EST

Al Troutface

TradeStar28


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:51 pm EST

The way these kids are playing, Stempniak and Lombardi look more and more like liabilities.

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:50 pm EST

yet another awkward Trautwig interview. Anyone else catch McIlrath's eye-roll?

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:50 pm EST

The Duc(lair) of Earl has that swagger the Rangers have been missing for a long long time. He is a perfect fit for this team, maybe this year....most likely next........and he will be a fan favorite @ MSG for many years to come. He is the Rangers version of PK Subban....except Duclair plays offense and probably has more smarts.

TradeStar28


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:49 pm EST

Haggerty Loos like a future star. He has a nose for the net. And a sniper from the circle in.

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:48 pm EST

Hayes reminds me of Keith Primeau. His style is similar. I'm not saying he's going to be him. Gotta seriously consider Duc. Big Mac getting minutes. Like his game. Ronaldo wussed out on him. Hahahaha.

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:45 pm EST

Interesting forward pairs on the PK. NASH & BRASSARD, then HAYES & FAST... followed by DUCLAIR & ZUCCARELLO. I like the depth & diversity.

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:41 pm EST

JT is all over the puck.

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:41 pm EST

Announcer just said that MSL took it on himself to tutor Kristo one on one after practice

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:39 pm EST

I hope MILLER doesn't get busted for PED's because he looks like a completely different player to me. He is playing with a ton of confidence... He appears extremely determined & playing with JAM!! Go JT!!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:39 pm EST

Wrath looks calm and confident handling the puck in the defensive zone. He's making the right reads and the right passes. Steady. Safe. He's come a long way. I like what I see.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:38 pm EST

We look good

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:34 pm EST

Great to see MCDONAGH drop the gloves like that once in awhile... it is important for a Captain to do that.

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:30 pm EST

Flyers are out matched!! ... and their minor league good is pulling hair during a fight like a total punk!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:30 pm EST

Ok I like glass

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:24 pm EST

Pretty nice start. Wow!

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:24 pm EST

Flyers suck! Flyers suck!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:23 pm EST

POUR IT ON LIKE SYRUP!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:23 pm EST

Haggerty with a beautiful move....he's known for his shot, but he can dangle too!! Love it! YOUNG GUNS!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:22 pm EST

MY GOD!!!!! Some of us have waited our entire life's to see so much quality youth knocking on the door at the same time. This is UNREAL!!! Way to go to the net HAGGERTY!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:22 pm EST

Holy Molly! Keep that whole line up here! Haggerty - nice move!

Z


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:18 pm EST

Damn... This Duclair kid can play. He's one of those kids that the pick just follows - and when it does, he knows what to do with it. Speed to burn, good positioning and a nasty nasty shot! Wow! LGR!

Z


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:18 pm EST

The goalie was too deep, but that was a SERIOUS SNIPE by Duclair!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:17 pm EST

J#SUS CHR#ST!!!! DUCLAIR is absolutely insane!!! Love this kid!!! WOW what a shot!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:17 pm EST

Gotta keep the kid up

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:16 pm EST

The kid is a SNIPER!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 5:07 pm EST

If the NHL and its refs let the bs bullies play that way tonight it will prove why they are full of it with their instigator rule et al .... They better not run hank ....SATHER should stop agreeing to play those assholes in preseason ....it won't help Big Mac 's cause getting a penalty like he did in the last game,..

stevielegs


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:47 pm EST

The kind of team run by Bobby Clarke... Sits Simmonds after Simmonds runs his mouth, is a "verbal turtle."

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:40 pm EST

So The Flyers have basically decided they want a bunch brawls tonight... I personally LOVE IT!!! This type of Hockey will probably never been seen again in the regular season, and obviously the playoffs... so I'm Happy about tonight. By his will be FUN!!! ((("LET'S~GO~RANGERS")))

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:23 pm EST

TDCHI - You knew the scumbag Flyers would dress their penny ante goons..I would like to see how the Ranger regular players handle the tough stuff but it ain't worth the risk..Dress Mcilrath, Tarnasky,Glass and KLEIN (who might be the best fighter on the regular top 18)..and let it rip......

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:11 pm EST

Anyone out there install IOS 8.0.2 on their iPad and then can't post to The Wall? It works on Chrome but not Safari. Hey, Kara....have you guys set up The Wall to handle IOS 8.0.2?

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:09 pm EST

I hate the Flyers more than any team in existence. I just hope none of our guys get injured because those classless pieces of merda feel like they want to make a point in preseason. Too bad Simmonds isn't in....I'd take him on my team any day, but since he isn't I was hoping "Wrath" would kick his ass. Mashinter had him dead to rights in a fight last season, but made the mistake of holding up when he could have finished him off. He can't compete with a beast like Wrath.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 3:46 pm EST

hipcheck/Hospo - SIMMONDS and his fat-ass mouth was given the night off. Most he'll be doing is shouting insults from the stands. The Flyers DID dress ROSEHILL, SORTINI, LAURIDSEN(an AHL goon) AND RINALDO. What the hell kind of dirtbag team does that? I mean, seriously...an exhibition game? THREE goons and a joker? That's total bush-league bullshit.

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 3:45 pm EST

McIlrath in tonight. Glass too. DuClair playing as well.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 3:45 pm EST

For tonight I'd dress TARNASTY in addition to McIlrath just to send the message, if you want to goon it up, so be it....... OAN: sounds like AV has a direct line into Hospo, "AV says that he will go with whomever looks like they give them the best chance of winning!" :-) ...... schneidw: regarding Marc Staal: he played in 72 regular games last year & credited for 83 hits. (Girardi 191, a guy like Methot had 181) Staal played 25 playoff games, credited with 32 hits (Girardi lead all Defensemen with 80 hits in the playoffs, obviously Methot had NONE) ...... Supposedly, Staals Corsi & Fenwick #'s (which I don't understand well enough to talk about with any conviction) don't support the lofty levels which Ranger Fans attribute to Marc Staal.... Using Rick Nash as a comparison with concussion history, and the recent Nash & AV verbiage of ability to "focus" and the ability to be comfortable/uncomfortable during a game, ""it appears to me"" that Marc Staal is NOT comfortable in all areas of the game, and is a percentage of his former self.. I don't think anyone here would be surprised to learn the the puck to the eye (2nd injury) lead to another concussion or concussion like symptons.. (If this was already stated publicly, I apologize) this & the fact that we witnessed the Callahan & Girardi negotiations firsthand last season up to the trade deadline are the reasons I'm anxious to see & hear the Staal negotiations asap... It could be that Staal will continue to strengthen with time, and he will catch up on time out while injured, but with every dollar counting against the cap, and his last couple of years with 2 serious injuries, $6mill & 6years is a bit rich for my pallet.... I wonder how far into the season NYR management is willing to go without a deal in place. It could be that they are prepared to go the distance, which is the seasons end..... Time will tell

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 2:52 pm EST

HIPCHECK - I love that stuff too BUTIf you want an old fashioned Philly-NYR donnybrook, you better hope AV dresses Mcilrath tonight otherwise it's pretty much Glass against the World and you'll see somebody like Kevin Hayes doing his best Dale Rolfe impersonation versus somebody like Rosehill or Stortinini

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 2:38 pm EST

I would love to see an "old fashioned" Ranger/Flyer pre season game tonight. The thought of MCILLRATH "rag dolling" SIMMONDS, RINALDO or whatever Farm-Hand tough guy they roll out. Are the lineups available yet? DUCLAIR has got to be in there again, right?

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 2:17 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - On the other hand, that is why I'm expecting a HUGE YEAR from Nash..In shape, ready, always skilled and late last year showed his noggin can handle the rough stuff....Him and St. Louis with a passer like Stepan could be a real good line (Sliding MILLER back to Haglin and ???)

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 1:39 pm EST

NASH- insult to injury as far as the Nash performance in the playoffs... in addition to the fear of contact and reinjury.. he was also out of shape AND not focused in practice... OUCH!!! This is a quote from AV....On Rick Nash, “it’s what we are looking for as far as veteran leadership. Rick, at every practice, has been focused and paying attention, paying attention to details on the ice. Working extremely hard, this camp compared to last year, it’s night and day.”

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 1:31 pm EST

Yeah JFC. I see Kreider dragging a D to the net every time, opening space for Zuc. We know hes goin to make things happen then, especially if the D jumps in. I can see that happening almost everytime down ice, cause some of these guys cant be defended.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 1:28 pm EST

MF- Staal should get ~$6M/yr from NYRs or more from another team like the Flyers/Islanders. So I am on the record saying Staal is worth 6 year deal and $35.5M total. If he is unwilling to accept that deal, which I suppose is possible... then I will shift my position into you camp and let him walk... I cannot remember the last time a top defenseman hit the UFA market at 27YO...Chara maybe?

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 12:59 pm EST

Kreider with Zucc-Brass could work nicely. Look for them to work the ally-oop pass at least a couple of times to try and spring Krieder for a breakaway.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 12:55 pm EST

The young guns on this team must be feeling like the Hockey Gods are smiling on them, giving them an OPPORTUNITY to make this team. I absolutely believe AV when he says that he will go with whomever looks like they give them the best chance of winning, even if it's a young guy. If Lombardi has a groin stain, I reaaly don't see hgow he has enough time to heal and make an impression. Groins don't heal quickly in hockey and for a guy who depends on speed, Lombardi can very easily tweak it again if he tries to go too hard, too soon....but, what choice does he have? I agree that Malone might be given more leeway....but, that's because what he POTENTIALLY brings to the ice are ingredients that we lack and have no one else to provide them. Speed? We seem to have more than enough young guys who can motor. Stemp can apparently kill penalties, so that may help, but a guy like Lindberg can, too. These next two games against a Flyers team that supposedly has an axe to grind, provides a perfect opportunity for the youngins' to have a trial by fire and either come out showing that they're ready for the Big Show or burned by the heat of real NHL competition. I'd personally love to see the Young Guns shine and let the hips fall where they may. It's not about the "best" players (vets, reputations, stats, etc) , it's about which players play best.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 12:15 pm EST

I've been impressed with some of the kids so far (Miller, Lindberger, Duclair)) while the others have left me feeling meh..just as Lombadri and Stemp did,... though i did like what i saw of Glass and Malone..But, really, the significance of the first two games will pale in comparison to the next two games tonight and tomorrow and then the two this weekend...This is where the spots will really be won...Looking forward to the games...I hope both the kids and vets play well and make it hard on AV....

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:26 am EST

As for LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK...I would have no problem throwing both on the waiver wire tomorrow if MILLER keeps playing the way he does and a guy like HAYES or HAGGERTY steps up. Between NASH, MSL, ZUCC, GIRARDI, STAAL and even McDONAGH...Rangers have some pretty solid vets now...younger vets, yes...but vets nonetheless. I don't see any of the scrubs they signed in the off-season as the type of 'character guys' that win cups. They fail safes if the kids don't perform.

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:23 am EST

Vic - I think one of the top reasons MALONE is in camp and stands a VERY good chance of making the team is that he brings a lot, if not more, of what BOYLE delivered consistently in the playoffs. I know he's far removed from that beast of a series he had against the Wings as a Penguin, but I saw a lot of that Malone in his first game as a Ranger. Now whether he can stay healthy is a totally different question...

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:07 am EST

Yeah, realized I meant to say Dustin Brown rather than Carter. Same point. I liked AVs line, talent has no age. Its not some board game where he who accumulates the most P & P"s wins, though certainly you have to draft your core, unless you can make 6 McD deals.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:58 am EST

RR: I agree and disagree. Specifically, I would list WILLIAMS as the guy who hurt the Rangers the most. Why, because he is not generally a top 6 player but in the playoffs the guy is money. He is exactly the kind of veteran that you want on your team. They kind that up their game to a level that is seemingly beyond their regular play. I would argue that GABBY and CARTER did nothing more then what they normally do. They are goal scorers who scored in the playoffs. Our big goal scorer didn't. I would also argue that the Rangers had their own version of WILLIAMS in BRIAN BOYLE. Yes, it hurt to lose POULIOT for what he meant to the line he was on and for his playoff performance (which was good). But, they guy that the Rangers will most miss in the playoffs is BOYLE. If you can convince me that LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK are guys like WILLIAMS and BOYLE go right ahead. I think you are going to have a tough case though.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:44 am EST

Two things on the never-ending youth v. age crap. One on ice, the other online. When I think back to who hurt us most in the SCFs, I think of Justin Williams, Gaborik, Carter etc. No spring chickens. But ive also always felt championing youth was a failsafe gor posters; lime prospects & picks are the answer to everything. We are in such a different place now, we have terrific young players. To name just 3, someone would have to tell me what NHL team has 3 guys under 26-27 that are better than Kreider; Zuccarello, and McDonagh.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:30 am EST

RHET: Interesting line combos. The one that I am most interested in seeing is the KREIDER-BRASSARD-MZA line. IMHO BRASSARD and MZA need to be kept together and an ideal winger that can mesh with them needs to be identified. It could be KREIDER. I know a lot of folks want to see how NASH looks with MSL but those two on the same line don't seem like they are complimentary to me. Maybe it works out but I think that line is going to lack the boardwork and PF needed. I don't want MILLER doing those things and he is the only one capable on that line. MILLER needs to be playing the full sheet of ice.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:25 am EST

TD: On HRIVIK, yes it is a shame he was derailed a bit. But, IIRC he was close to making the team out of camp last year and AV seemed to like him. His problem is that there is just that much more competition this year. From what I have seen of him in last years camp and so far this year he looks like an NHL player. On HAGGERTY, what you posted was my understanding of his game as well. My concern is that he is going to need to be more then that to stick at the NHL level. Teams won't keep an average player around on a roster just because he is good on the PP. He has to be able to make an impact at 5 on 5 in some way as well. Either by being a really solid defensive player and penalty killer, or by adding offense at even strength. Again, he didn't have the linemates to make an impact at even strength in Chicago so hopefully he gets another chance with a more offensive unit. PJ: I agree that DM has to be playing every night. If the Rangers are keeping a 7th with the team it needs to be someone like HUNWICK.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:04 am EST

Per Andrew Gross, Alain Vigneault has new lines for tomorrow’s preseason game against the “out for blood” Flyers: ....Kevin Hayes-Chris Mueller-Anthony Duclair ....Chris Kreider-Derick Brassard-Mats Zuccarello ....Rick Nash-J.T. Miller-Marty St. Louis ....Marek Hrivik-Matthew Lombardi-Jesper Fast ....Marc Staal-Dan Boyle ....Mat Bodie-Dylan McIlrath ....Matt Hunwick-Mike Kostka ....Ryan McDonagh-Steve Kampfer ....Naturally, one of those defensive pairs won’t be playing tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:01 am EST

Vic...On one shift Haggerty displayed some sick moves coming into the offensive zone...Didn't notice him alot but appears to have some real talent....I also want MCI in the lineup sooner rather than later due to his toughness but only if he plays....Not as a 7th D...Same for Allen who is real smooth moving the puck...Allen is a big guy who isn't very physical from what I have seen...In his short stint with us I noticed he loses battles on the boards that he needs to start winning with his size....I believe Nosen commented on him adding some muscle in the offseason....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:59 am EST

With the defense, the only guy I see as expendable in the near future(mind you, NOT now) is KLEIN. I was pleasantly surprised by his work last season, but if BOYLE is penciled in for the next two seasons, he's playing third pairing and getting paid good money to do it. I think that spot is McILRATH's once he shows consistency at the NHL pace...and while it's still a little wishful thinking, I can also see NOREAU one day lining up over there...You can't replace STAAL...not a player in the system that has his talent. SKJEI, ALLEN and MOORE are all very good defenders...But they're not Staal...only way you move him is if Staal says he's ready to move on. And then let me tell you: If all we're getting back is METHOT, then we as Ranger fans should be outraged...if Staal is on the block, start with a top prospect and a first rounder. Move from there...if it's Ottawa, get me Cody CECI, their top pick in 2015 and LAZAR. That's when I say 'OK. Trade Staal."

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:46 am EST

Vic - On HAGGERTY, one thing I've noticed about him with RPI is he's in the sniper's mold. He's not a guy that's going to wow you with his play with or away from the puck...but when he has it and can get anywhere near the net, the chances of it going in are pretty good. He's got good accuracy and a quick release...lethal on the PP...but he's not a player that will dazzle you from the get-go...Not like when you see DUCLAIR'S speed or MILLER'S hands...You'll see him score a lot from around the circle...he'll sneak back to the top of the circle...the other team's forwards will lose him in the mix and once that happens, all he needs is the puck on his stick...good chance he'll score...my question with him is whether that shot will work as well with NHL goaltenders...no one credit the NCAA with having good netminders.

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:38 am EST

stevie- Those listings are what they are. So many others are listed above their rankings so it doesn't even make sense to speculate on true listings. I agree completely, size isn't an issue for Duclair.

Ola


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 am EST

Vic - HRIVIK is kind of a sad story...I remember when the kid first joined Hartford three years ago, he came in like gangbusters...had an incredible playoffs...and then followed it up with both a good came and a great start for the Pack...was pretty much playing top-two lines and then suffered a nasty concussion at the hands of a goon from the Flyers farm club...struggled to get back after that injury and wasn't the same player when he did...then last year, the pack had an influx of talented forwards...Fast, Lindberg, Kristo..return of Miller, the elevated play of Bourque ...he found himself on third line with the grinders and really just seemed to be slipping through the cracks...I mean, even now he's pretty far down the depth chart...though that goal he scored opened some eyes...while a little fluk-ish, he was in the right place at the right time and that's half the battle right there...I agree, he looked good...seems to be back in the form he was two years ago...shame there aren't more spots, because I could see him winning a job on third line...that said, I think it's going to take one hell of a bite from the injury bug for Hrivik to crack this lineup...but you never know...stranger things have happened...and now with this Lombardi injury...that's one less competitor...

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:28 am EST

On LOMBARDI, STEMPNIAK and MALONE. One of my biggest concerns with guys over 30 is that their bodies cannot take the level of punishment required in a full NHL season. As we have talked about here many times over the years, this sport increasingly favors younger, bigger, stronger, faster skating players. When players begin to lose their physical edge their play can drop off dramatically. It isn't an effort issue or lack of desire. It is simply an issue of diminished physical ability. We saw this with RICHARDS and NASH. Even if a player only loses a small percentage of his speed and quickness that could be all it takes to turn a very good player into an average player. That doesn't even take into account the fact that their bodies simply can't take the same level of punishment and continue to play at a high level. This was the reason that I would not consider resigning CALLY for anything over $4 Million per year. CALLY cannot continue to play the physical game that made his career. If he tries he is going to spend more time on IR then off it. It was a bad investment. MALONE showed a lot in his one preseason game so far. He showed a dimension that the Rangers lack and would love to have. For that reason I think he sticks with the Rangers. LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK showed me nothing in their first games. LOMBARDI was invisible and STEMPNIAK wasn't much more. He played well in his own end for the most part but was completely invisible outside of his own blue line. Both of those guys are being outplayed by at least a handful of kids (MILLER, DUCLAIR, LINDBERG, HRIVIK, HAYES, FAST and both BORQUEs). Speaking of the BORQUEs.....CHRIS looked pretty good on the point on the PP. He has a hard and accurate shot and a shoot first mentality. I like those traits. One guy I was hoping to see more from was HAGGERTY. He didn't play poorly at all. He just didn't have an impact in the game. I didn't see any shift where I came away saying that it was an excellent shift for HAGGERTY. Again, he had 4th line duty and minutes so he was kind of in the same boat as FAST the other night. I would like to see both get some more offensive opportunities, especially HAGGERTY on the PP, which is supposed to be a strength for him.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:11 am EST

Other thoughts. NASH has lost weight. You can see it in his formerly chubby cheeks. He looks a little quicker and he played with more aggression the other night. He did try to cut to the net and he was skating hard all night. It was all in the right direction but we need to see more and he needs to be more consistent. Both ALLEN and BIG MAC looked good to me. Neither was perfect but I don't expect perfect. Both played well enough that I could see them playing in the NHL this year and not being out of place at all. I can live with what DM isn't because of what he is. He is a big, nasty, punishing player who will stick up for his teammates without hesitation. He moved the puck just fine. He doesn't have great wheels or quickness but he brings an element of battle to the front of the net the Rangers don't have. I think there is a place for him on this roster if he beats out ALLEN (or KLEIN or MOORE). The Rangers are up against the CAP. If AV thinks DM and/or ALLEN are ready I could see them moving KLEIN. At this point I think it more likely that both ALLEN and DM start in Hartford and will be injury call ups. I thought LINDBERG and HRIVIK both played well. I really like HRIVIK. He has size, skates well and has good hands. Again, I want to see more of both because they both look ready to make the jump to me. MILLER was outstanding again. So far it looks like the concern over the Rangers depth at Center after STEPAN's injury isn't an issue. MILLER will be centering one of the top two lines. He has done everything to show that he should be. DESJARDINS looked very good to me. Active, aggressive and quick. If TALBOT falters (and he didn't look good against the Devils) DESJARDINS looks like a capable backup to HANK.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:05 am EST

Saw a lot of people giving JT credit for a strong night on faceoffs, which he deserved. But Lindberg was 5 of 6, 4 of 6 against Jonathan Toews. One game & no giant sampling but what you want to see.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:02 am EST

Anthony Duclair New York Rangers Anthony Duclair Left Wing - NYR Number: 63 Height: 5' 11" Weight: 185 Shoots: Left Born: Aug 26, 1995 (Age 19) Birthplace: Pointe-claire, QC, Canada ...kid just turned 19.....looks bigger than 5'11" 185......

stevielegs


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:54 am EST

First chance to post since the Chicago game and I wanted to add my $.02. DUCLAIR is obviously the thing that most fans will want to talk about, and rightly so. The kid as FANTASTIC in his first pro game. What surprised me most was that he did not look nearly as small as I was thinking he would. He was always described as a small but fast player with a lot of skill. Well, he didn't look small to me. His speed, skill and attention to the defensive end were much more then I was expecting at this stage of his career. We need to see consistency at this level but if he demonstrates that in the next few games I can't say that he doesn't belong here right now. He wasn't really on my radar as being a player who would stick with the team out of camp but after the game the other night how could he not be in that mix? Especially if it is true that the Rangers have already burned the first year of his entry level contract either way. The only question is does it benefit him in any way to send him back to juniors? He isn't too small or weak on his skates to play at this level now. Sure, we would love to see him bulk up but he isn't a scrawny kid. I am excited to see how he plays in the rest of camp and how the Rangers handle this. I don't think they were planning that he would be ready this soon. It is a nice problem to have.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:32 am EST

Mfred guess you had a good summer starting the fall with optimism ... Drinking the koolaide or you have a fever? ... It can be done... Why not us ? .... Next beer my treat...

stevielegs


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:04 am EST

For those of you playing the Home Game...last team to loose in the CUP Finals and win the CUP the following season was Pittsburg. Lost in '08 won in '09. It can be done......

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:20 am EST

“Whoever gives us the best opportunity to compete and to win,” Vigneault said. “If he’s a young player and he shows us that he’s ready to step in and assume a role where we need a player, we’ll take that guy. It doesn’t matter if he’s a veteran or a young player.”

stevielegs


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:00 pm EST

Hospo, gotta hand it to ya for consistently beating that drum. Takes some balls living among several generations of fans not only still traumatized by Middleton, but by the first 7-8 of Sather (where I always swore the BIGGEST deficiency was not filling the roster+, vet or rook, as has finally been done this year to overflowing). Its important to emphasize how important this year is. Weve got to take the next step or die trying. I dont care if AV has to don pads like Lester Patrick. The franchise seems so full it should run on cruise control for quite a while as far as replenishment.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:34 pm EST

SCHNEDW - It's a young man's game---if and when they are good enough...I'd rather have Fast/Lindberg over Stemp/.LOmbardi only if they are better..,..Every year you go after the Cup with your best team...not youngest..If you've drafted well, your young players will eclipse the older ones..That;s when they play..

Hospo


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:10 pm EST

Not even in a pinch. Less so for Klein. That's where he started, and couldn't hang.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:09 pm EST

Count me as one who doesnt see anything major happening eith any of Staal or Moore or Bobby Ryan or Nash. And for the first time since probably 1995, Im happy. The roster is full & deep with guys who can really help. Even a guy like Lombardi, ok, todays wasnt his day so its easy to label him an old man and reclamation project, could be a big big find. Once they get this sorted out, could really be dynamite. No one knows what the future holds, but as an attempt to get to the next/last level, I think its been smart and is real exciting. And no one can say if we dealt Nash for Evandet Kane tomorrow our chances eould be any better. In fact they could be worse.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:06 pm EST

I agree w/ SchneidW. Methot does not compare to Staal. Steal is a beast, and while his health is a concern, I don't think many guys can step in and replace a guy who obviously has the respect of his teammates and can be a game breaker. This team has had enough chemistry experiments over the last few years. Contract issues are a concern, but you can't lose all three of the letter leaders in less than 8 months when the team has had as much success and camaraderie on and off the ice.

ColoradoMark


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:53 pm EST

Whoever said push Moore up so we can move Marc Staal? What is this, hieroglyphics? I said in a pinch the tandem of Klein & Moore can handle 2nd line minutes, and I'll put myself further out there, by the way they played in the SCF's, I believe they perform adequately...

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:49 pm EST

I want to see who veenyo wants, not who fans want. he kept poo until he became a real player. the coach has the eye and the patience needed. kids need to succeed in the ahl first......then prove they can handle the nhl......when there is a spot.....winning ....ask Derek Jeter.......

stevielegs


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:46 pm EST

Appreciating Moore is one thing I think many of us here do. Pushing him into top four so we can move Staal is where I think you lose some folks

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:43 pm EST

John Moore: really feel he is under-appreciated on the Wall lately. The kid skates above average, is pretty quick, throws the body, and he & Klein can step up into the 2nd pair in a pinch, all for $850K (a friggin cut in pay) per...Klein logged plenty of minutes with Nashville.......AS of now I think our 2nd defensive pairing is our most questionable at the moment..........Don't know what you guys saw in Conner Allen yesterday, but if York18 said he played well, I'll accept it as fact......

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:17 pm EST

schneidw: sure. maybe you'll put yourself out here on record on how you'd deal with negotiating with Marc Staal.

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:37 pm EST

Moore is well aware of picking it up offensively I think. Made a heckuva play on Millers goal the other night. Hes one of the most interesting 'growth' stories among the young guys. And they love him already, think he gets every chance.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:17 pm EST

Rabid- Good points. I guess John Moore could be moved to make a roster spot available for Allen, if the UMass FA is a true upgrade... Moore is still a work in progress and hate to trade a gifted 23YO former 1str round pick who has logged a lot of solid games since coming to NY... but at the same time, Moore has not produced enough offense to be deemed untouchable IMHO

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:14 pm EST

HOSPO- Another reason why NYRs need to keep prospects moving into the lineup and turnover non-core players each year... NHL is a young man's game... look at RIchards tailed off after 31YO...its way too common...I would rather see Fast/Lindberg than Lombardi/Stempiak...just sayin'

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:12 pm EST

Id think Duclair ends up in the Q, though with injuries mounting he could get thr 8-10 games. But Id see him and maybe Buchnevich replacing MSL & Nash (maybe), eventually. Think Allen is making a strong bid too, but nowhere for him to play.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:11 pm EST

MF- please no more Method trade for Staal nonsense... absurdity...Staal is one of the top defenders in the NHL, a great leader and homegrown player....Methot is NONE of those things... why are you hell bent to destroy the team chemistry??

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:07 pm EST

MF- You understandably misunderstood my post. To rephrase,I think the NYRs are looking long and hard at Duclair now and will send him to JRs...but its very possible that Zuccarello may walk this summer as UFA because of salary cap issues and he may earn a big contract not unlike Stralman... the point I was trying to make is Duclair could possibly backfill in that open slot next year... not a popular exchange I realize

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 4:35 pm EST

Thing that kinda sucks with Malone is you almost need to give him a roster spot even if he's hurt in order to keep him. Unless im wrong, he'd have to clear waivers to go to Hartford, unless theres some IR clause in the spaghetti of waiver rules, which I stopped trying to keep track of long ago. Just thinking cause with his old $4M contract, teams would pass, infact I think TB did waive him. But at 700k and good reviews from this camp, Id think someone would grab him. No?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 4:27 pm EST

Hmm, Lombardi joining Malone with an old man injury....Not good for him at all..Hopefully for his sake he's able to play the two games over the weekend and show if and what he has....Malone, at least, already has ,The kids (Hatyes, Mueller, Fast, Lindberg etcc.) should have a big chance the next two nights

Hospo


Sun Sep 28 2014 4:06 pm EST

Read that Methot would sign with Ottawa for $4.75 mill on a home town discount... Well, I'd want the same home town discount if Methot wants to see playoff games and be on a contender ...... Unless we're getting more than a defender (like a defender & picks & or prospects) who can step in now coming our way, ORr, a defender with time remaining on his contract OR willing to sign for a few years, we might as well keep Staal... cause if w're going to risk losing a guy at the end of the season for nothing, it may as well be Staal.... jmho naturally

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:53 pm EST

Besides, methot also an impending UFA who would get more money on open market than we would want to give, plus downgrade from Staal. Move makes no sense

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:49 pm EST

We probably will not be trading Staal, but if for a package including a defender, that defender would be ready to fill Staal's slot now (bc we have none to do so) or a prospect a few seasons down the road from those prospects soon to push for third pair (Allen, Bodie, McIl, Zamorsky, Skjei, Noreau, etc). You probably aren't getting a top two pair defender back (or else, why trade for him) unless it's for contract/cap considerations. Thus, if we trade Staal, likely for high picks. I don't see us doing that in a Cup run. Most likely end is that he re-signs.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:31 pm EST

Bobby Ryan: Only if he has a good year, is willing to sign for something reasonable, and you can move Nash..... & it not Methot, then who?

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:21 pm EST

Methot! Methot! Methot!

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:09 pm EST

Its a little premature to be talking about who gets forced out next off-season. Not counting MSL, Staal, or MZA, we still have about 4 mill coming off the books in depth contracts and the cap is likely to rise again. Plus, a number of very moveable contracts. If we did trade Staal, it wouldn't be for Methot.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:06 pm EST

Bobby Ryan???

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:02 pm EST

TOP: It's a Vast, Right Wing Conspiracy! :-)

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:00 pm EST

Zucc is another guy I can't see leaving or going unsigned.. The kid has shown huge loyalty to the franchise and is an exceptional talent.. ZUCC has a great role model here in MSL and I can envision that he is benefiting greatly, perhaps more than any other Ranger.. Bottom line, who knows what lofty achievements MZA is capable of? ........IMO, the Rangers need to address this STALL contract immediately.... Dan Boyle needs to adjust to his new defensive pair as soon as possible regardless of who it is, and the defensive corp as a unit of 6 need to also. I don't think a playoff contender such as the Rangers are going to trade a top 4 at the trade deadline to rock the apple cart going into the home stretch and that means STAAL will hold all the negotiating cards at the seasons end & we risk getting nothing for him......... We have $23,150,000 in cap space next year NOT including any increase in the CAP.... Lets put a conservative estimate of a $2mill dollar increase in Cap brings us to $25,150,000......... MSL, MZA, MALONE, STEMPNIAK, STAAL, TALBOT all UFA's,,, STEPAN, HAGELIN are our RFA's.....I estimate $32 mill to sign everyone, Even if Sather can sign these guys for $30mill & the Cap comes up $4mill (& not $2mill as stated earlier) we are still $3mill apart to comply with the Cap..... a guy like Marc Methot looks like he could replace Staal, and we could probably get him for $1-$1.25 mill per year less and sign him to a shorter term than Staal, that narrows the gap to $2mill, give or take $250K...... I AM NOT PURPORTING TRADING MARC STAAL HERE, I am endorsing the fact that I don't see Zucc going anywhere, & can see Staal being moved. This is a business afterall.. If a Staal / Methot trade did take place, we would pick up $975K in Cap space for this year, & we just may be able to add 1 key component at the trade deadline... OAN, I could see a Marc Staal joining his brothers in Carolina, just not this year, they have little to offer us defensively.........http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 1:44 pm EST

Just like that we barely have enough centers. Even with Miller & Lindberg. Nothing to be alarmed about. Still have Stemp; MSL is petitioning AV to play there, and theres still Hayes though he prefers wing. Goes to show though how you can never predict whats to come.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 1:26 pm EST

How about these new signings! Zip: Lombardi out, groin injury

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 1:24 pm EST

schneidw: disagree: DuClaire is going nowhere. He's too important to this franchise, talent-wise, price-wise, personality / role model-wise, & skin color-wise... IMO he's an integral part of the youth movement coming up the Pyke...

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 12:41 pm EST

Topovski and my fellow Wallsters, I have felt your pain about watching the Blueshirts when away from NYC. I've tried every scenario since I travel 47 weeks a year. The BEST by far solution is hockeystreams.com. They DVR every game of nearly every hockey league and team today and kept a library so I can watch a game from two weeks ago as easy as today's game, home or away. It's well worth the $99/year.

SurfCityRanger


Sun Sep 28 2014 12:16 pm EST

schneidw - TOTALLY disagree RE: Zucc. I think he's the one guy you'll see signed no matter what. The Rangers are under no illusion about how talented he is...and Zucc is doing them a HUGE favor by taking the contract he did, which is about $2 million less than he would be owed on the open market. Rangers are going to pay up on him, but they're not going to let him go...STAAL, on the other hand, could very well be a casualty of war...As much as I want Staal signed long-term, unless it's done soon I fear we could be in for a Staal brothers reunion in Carolina...Rangers have a number of lefties coming through the system that could dull the brunt of losing Staal. Conor Allen among them...but also SKJEI and maybe even BODIE...Personally, I think the guy who will take the fall next summer is NASH. Unless he does a 180, I just don't see him and his huge contract in the future.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:51 am EST

DUCLAIR- He is being showcased because SATHER does not have the $$$ to sign all the UFAs this summer... STLouis,Staal and Zuccarello...as much as Zucc is a fan favorite...Duclair is very similar dynamic crafty smaller winger... of the 3 UFAs.. Zucc is the most likely to leave...painful reality

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:28 am EST

I think they probably see Glass, Lombardi, Stempniak, Malone and Nash as expendable if they don't play to expectations and a kid shows he belongs.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:22 am EST

The talk about DUCLAIR is all well and fine...but where exactly would he fit in the lineup? Take for granted these spots are chiseled in stone: Kreider, Nash, St. Louis, Zuccarello, Brassard, Moore, and Hagelin...and nine or ten games into the season, Stepan .Then there's a good likelihood you'll have Glass and Miller in the mix...that's nine and then ten spots filled up...Then does anyone really think Stempniak is going to the minors? Factor in Malone and Lombardi, you have 12 forward spots with a thirteenth...even assuming Duclair beats out the three vets, where does he go in the lineup? In the best-case scenario, he ends up on third line...I think all this fan talk about him sticking around is some pretty major wishful thinking.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:53 am EST

47 -- I mentioned Tarnasky's fight in a post while the game was in progress and I posted a link to the fight yesterda I think stevielegs also posted about how well Tarnasky throws his punches without much defense involved

JFC31


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:20 am EST

if Mashinter was mentioned, its because he is Chicago property.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:19 am EST

Send him to Hartford, already!

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:13 am EST

Practice lines today; Kreider-Brass-Zuc. Nash-JT-MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:54 am EST

BTW, no one mentioned Tarnasky and the fight he had (dominated). Nice to see we may have someone to call up if needed. I believe they mentioned Mashinter filling that role as well. Hopefully we seem them both along with McI in Tuesday's game in Philly....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:50 am EST

td: Agree - not worried about Zucc. Just found it strange/interesting that he was so "quiet" in the game. Can't remember a game where he went so unnoticed....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:42 am EST

Ranger47 - I wouldn't worry on ZUCC for one second...The guy is a dynamic player and was, no doubt, one of the main reasons that line was so dangerous last year...I said a few days ago one of the best lines I recall STEPAN being on was with Zucc and HAGELIN...you can put Zucc anywhere in the lineup and he's going to make his linemates better...and talk about motivation...the guy is playing for a new contract. No way he'll be cruising when the season starts.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:34 am EST

RF4L - I don;t necessarily disagree...I just think you can't put a one-size-fits-all label on kids...they all develop at a different pace...Some kids I think its better for them to develop at the NHL/AHL level...MILLER is a great example...I don't see what he would have gotten from another year in juniors other than bad habits and an even bigger head...I will say this: It's tough to pick out examples of kids who were stunted by another year in juniors because when they start that decline, they're labeled busts...they don't get signed and then fall of the radar quietly...much easier to point to guys who are brought into the NHL at a young age than it is those guys who get left in juniors for too long.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:26 am EST

Just two takeaways from Friday;s game I haven't seen mentioned.. 1) Cedric DesJardins played a great (shutout) game the second half. Looks like he could be some really good insurance should Talbot get hurt and we need another backup for a while. Also looks really positive for the Wolfpack's chances this year. 2)I was shocked at how invisible MZA was in the game. Presumably he's just in the process of getting ready to play the season - but, again, I would have expected a bit more out of him. While he did have some shifts with Brass, I wonder how critical it is to his game to have the Brass pairing to succeed. And, hopefully not the need for Poulliot to succeed....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:21 am EST

stevielegs: Thanks for the link to the lb article on stats. Prior to retirement I was heavily involved in supporting the use of data for "business intelligence" (i.e. data reporting). In today's world of infoglut it is becoming more difficult to know WHICH data to even consider as important to follow and report on. In business, it's gone beyond the capabilities of the "average business user" to get the data reporting he/she needs - especially due to the complexity and interrelationships between the data. What's happening in the business world is the emerging role of the "data scientist" who follows all the data and identifies which data (and its relationships) are most important to report on. I, personally, find all the existing hockey stats overwhelming and rather than have MORE stats, would (rather) like to have better sources of reporting of the most meaningful and interesting ones by experts (i.e. hockey data scientists). I suspect most fans are like that - though I'm sure there are some who want to peruse the infogllut themselves....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:05 am EST

TD: I'm not saying definitively that ANY of those kids had their careers ruined by the Rangers rushing them. What I am saying is that (IIMO) turning them pro prematurely did nothing to help their careers and likely contributed to their troubles. I don't buy the argument except in truly exceptional cases (such as Crosby or Lemieux, both of whom are exceptional athletes), it doesn't help one's career and therefore, makes no sense not err on the side of caution. I've yet to see any examples of where a kid's career is impacted negatively when he's sent back and done so properly (unlike, for example, what the Sabres did with that Russian kid a couple of years back - keeping him up, not playing him and then finally sending him back something like 2/3's the way thru the season - that's just plain stupid decision making).

RF4L


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:47 am EST

http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/rangers-can-keep-duclair-on-nhl-roster-longer-than-nine-games-without-penalty.html

puckyou


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:23 am EST

Came across this from the Hawks...kind of interesting when you think about the future of the enforcer: After parting ways with Brandon Bollig and Sheldon Brookbank over the summer, the Hawks find themselves without a traditional “enforcer” on the roster. Both Bowman and Joel Quenneville have pointed to 6-4, 220-pound forward Brandon Mashinter as someone who can step into that role, though it’s difficult to see how he could fit into the roster as it currently stands. “Brandon is a guy that can play,” Quenneville said. “He scored [14] goals last year in the minors and had an element of toughness, as well. So, I could see some room for a player like that.” Jonathan Toews didn’t seem terribly concerned with having a fighter on the ice, however. “I think for the most part we’re at our strongest as a team when we’re staying away form that sort of stuff,” Toews said. “We play teams before where they just try and beat us up and or they try to outplay us physically, and we just stick to our game. We stick to our puck-possession, skating the puck and controlling it, and we usually find a way to come out on top.”

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:08 am EST

mf/RR - BLACKBURN's injury was a result of him over-training...You could make the case that he would have done that with Kootenay, but it's not one that will hold up very well when you look at the circumstances he was facing at the time...He had platooned with RICHTER the season before, despite not exactly owning the WHL during his draft year...and when it became clear that Richter was out of the picture in 2002-2003, the Rangers traded for DUNHAM and Blackburn, who probably saw himself as next in line, took a distant back seat...If I remember correctly, they got Dunham mid-season and he essentially started just about all the remaining games...the kid was trying to show the Rangers he was ready even though in truth, what he needed was another two years in juniors and probably a season in the AHL...theoretically speaking, we shouldn't have seen him outside of pre-season until after the lockout...Lord only knows how he would have developed...I remember the kid having extraordinary talent, but being a boy in a man's league...of course, Hank came after the lockout...but imagine the Rangers with two top-flight goaltenders going into 2005-2006? Blackburn, IMO, is the epitome of the Rangers killing a prospect by rushing him a long. They hurried him a long, killed his confidence and then prompted him to over-exert himself to the point of career-ending injury. Glad the kid's life turned out OK in the end, but when I think what could have been...man, it's sad.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:05 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/27/lack-of-nhl-stats-in-an-information-age-is-mind-boggling/

stevielegs


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:38 am EST

schneid: Thanks. I live in central Pa. Unfortunately have to get Pittsburg feeds when they play Rangers. Their play by play guys are brutal, but hilarious if viewed as the theater of the absurd.

gene_carr


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:03 am EST

Sporty I'll second that ... And add also a long time season ticket holder....and the nyr sent nothing for winning the conference and probably nothing for his bday.... Besides the bill.....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:51 pm EST

wikipedia on Blackburn: A shoulder injury forced him into retirement in 2005. He retired after missing the entire 2003–04 NHL season due to a nerve injury sustained just before training camp to his left shoulder. He had nerve exploration surgery on March 31, 2004, then made an attempt to return to hockey, sporting a pair of blockers rather than the conventional blocker/catcher combination, as his injury rendered him incapable of rotating his glove hand. On February 1, 2005, he joined the ECHL Victoria Salmon Kings going 3–9–0, with a 3.54 GAA in 12 games. On September 15, during the Rangers training camp, he suffered a strained MCL. Subsequently, Blackburn announced his retirement on September 25. Had Blackburn continued to attempt a comeback, he would have forfeited an insurance payout of approximately 6 million dollars.

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:48 pm EST

Re: Blackburn: If memory serves correctly I thought the injury was to his shoulder, including damaging a nerve traveling through the shoulder area & possibly down the arm... They could not repair the nerve damage.... I'll google the mutha! :-)

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:25 pm EST

TD, Im not trying to nitpick a thoughtful & informative post, but Blackburn ; are you saying he was overused & it led to injury that finished him? I just rememberthe injury (hand/wrist) being something he couldnt overcome. Miller; Nash today said hes grown on & off ice. Again IDK WTH that means, and wont speculate what this kid was/wasnt doin. Whatever it was, its better. Good. Texted with a great hockey bud today, udually in the know. The raves for DuClair and excitement about what he can be is very real within the team. He is a fantastic kid by all accounrs, an animal in the weight room according to Clark, and already NHL in traffic with the puck. Just a FWIW.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:03 pm EST

RF4L - Whoa cowboy...I think you're going a little overboard with the plight of the Rangers and their kids, especially with a few of those names you mentioned...The guys we can agree on are MALHOTRA and, without a doubt, BLACKBURN...those kids were rushed into Ranger uniforms largely 'cause the Rangers wanted to dispel this notion that they were essentially a mercenary team with no semblance of a farm system...and it stunted Malhotra's growth...how much is arguable...and it destroyed Blackburn's career....but you're slipping into some grey areas if you're trying to blame the demise of GRAHAM and GRACHEV on the Rangers' brain trust...Graham was a big kid who had some talent, but not a lot...the Rangers fell in love with his size and as it turned out, it was really the only thing that got him points in the CHL...once he got to the A, he was outmatched, out-skilled...out everything'd...he never had that next gear to get him out of the ECHL...he wasn't getting it from another year in the QMJHL that's for sure....and Grachev...while I guess you could make SOME argument for him...the fact is, he was a man playing among boys in Brampton...more specifically, he was a man playing against boys who happened to be on a line with two incredible players who were both top-10 draft picks. One could easily argue Grachev's stats his one and only good season in juniors were WAAAAY inflated because of DUCHENE and HODGSON...and seeing as though he hasn't done squat SINCE that year, I would lend to blame his lack of success on the fact that Grachev, as a player, simple wasn't as good as many gave him credit for being...DEL ZOTTO is another very grey area...and frankly, I think the Rangers did the right thing with him...this is a kid who is not limited by ability...he's limited by his own lifestyle. Kid did what he wanted...He was going to do it in juniors, just like he did it in NYC...I think the hope with him was if they could bring him into a system with mature players that it would mature him a little better than if they let him up to his own devices...and with MDZ, we saw flashes of brilliance...I still think he'll be a good player...but his problem was less to do with the Rangers "rushing" him so to speak and him simply not having the maturity or understanding that his career is hockey, not the lifestyle that comes with being a professional hockey player....now MILLER...here's where we totally disagree....The Rangers have moved this kid along right and we're now starting to see the fruits of that progression. If Miller had finished out his time in the OHL, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't be challenging for a spot in the NHL right now...Miller is a kid that needed to be taken down a peg or two...skating in juniors would have allowed him to develop some bad habits by virtue that he could get away with the flashy moves there that would get you leveled in the AHL and NHL...they were right to move him to the A when they did...and when he got a cup of coffee in 2013? Well, he EARNED that...People forget that Miller is just 21. If you look at how much he's developed over two seasons, it's really hard to argue with how the Rangers have handled him...SKJEI and KREIDER? Can't even really add them into this mix...they NCAA players...totally different path of development...though I'm glad Skjei hasn't turned pro and that Kreider waited like he did....what does this mean for DUCLAIR? Well, I tell you what I'd do if he continues to play this strong...I'd keep him on with NASH and let him spend 10 games with the Rangers while STEPAN is on the mend...tell the kid from the get-go he's going back to juniors and that the 10-game stint is just to get him acclimated to the space he's going to be in full-time next year....let him learn and hell, if the kid ends up with 10 points in 10 games, consider keeping him the year...farming him out for the junior championship. Can't impose a glass ceiling on a kid that has stars in his eyes. That's just not right...the place for him IS the AHL...but that not being an option, 10 games in the NHL and the rest of the season in the QMJHL sounds good to me.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:24 pm EST

no sweat brother, file it under, "revved up for the upcoming season."

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:59 pm EST

Just wanted to take a moment to wish a long-time wallster and Rangers die-hard, RF73, a very Happy Birthday.

sportyplaya1188


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:52 pm EST

mf --you're right, I was a bit testy....my bad.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:48 pm EST

GENE CARR: Not sure where you live but YES, unfortunately here in the Rocky Mtns ALL the MSG channels are blacked out on DirectTV... total BUMmer

schneidw


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:41 pm EST

M11_ Blues sign Jaden Schwartz, 2 yr deal ........http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732076&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:02 pm EST

Bob: I think you're approaching this the wrong way. It's not a Canada thing (for me anyways) it's a thriving feeder system thing. Sather is a prime example as I've cited on here with examples numerous times (including today).

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 7:39 pm EST

The chemistry we all witnessed between DUCLAIR & NASH was very real last night. Most chemistry I've seen between NASH and anyone since he's been here.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 7:30 pm EST

JFC: earlier in the day someone used the post rag-doll refering to Dylan McIlrath manhandling Labrie, that was my lead in... I was surprised to see Cam Barker skating for Chicago last night, he never lived up to expectation. There were times he and Girardi were on the ice at the same time and it brought back memories of the fight on that you-tube clip... The check Girardi laid on that Chicago player prior to that fight, was the last hit of "that" magnitude I recall Girardi dishing out...... I also recall vividly as Girardi stood around and watched Gaborik defend himself against Carcillo, none of this means that I don't like Girardi, don't want him in Rangers Blue, or nor root for him..... A little testy early in the season are we? :-) It's all cool..... I believe that we all want the same thing here, to win! ciao

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 5:14 pm EST

What'd I walk into over here? Lol. Ok see youse later!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:35 pm EST

Bob: agree on the AHL thing. My thought has always been that each NHL should get 1 or 2 exceptions. 1 or 2 players at a time, once they are in the AHL it's there or the NHL, no junior. And untill a player reaches the normal AHL age or plays a certain number of NHL games he counts as one of those two spots.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:31 pm EST

Personally, I don't care one iota about any Ranger's state of sexual arousal, as long as they cover their zone- advanced stats be damned!

Messier11


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:10 pm EST

LOL! Is he PERFECT?? Dayum!!

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:09 pm EST

mf -- not sure what your point is by posting the link to that Giradi hit....that clip helps prove that Girardi is not physical? That he does not hit? He led the Rangers in hits and blocked shots in the playoffs? Do you want him to lay guys out and then beat them into submission? That's not his game, never has been, never will be. He's a guy who had worked his ass off as an undrafted player and turned himself into a league-wide respected top-4 defenseman. Is he Erect? No....but he's a damned good, steady, homegrown D-man. I'm sure I could search "Dan Girardi hits" and come up with more than one clip to disprove your hyperbole.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:40 pm EST

Juniors to the NHL is a huge leap. If Duclair goes back to the Q, that leap will still be necessary next season at camp. Too bad he cannot try the intermediate level he is leaping over, the AHL. Again, I object to the reason for it more than anything. Of course, I don't live in Canada so have no connection to the importance of a vital junior league up there.

Bob


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:18 pm EST

RF4L -- I understand what you're saying but your argument is too narrow IMO....the point is not whether or not another year in the Q would retard Duclair's devopment....the point is (IMO) that a year in the AHL would ACCELERATE his development, and that could only be a good thing. I doubt that Duclair would be overmatched in the A HL but he would be forced to turn it up a notch. If he responds favorably, he would then be eligible for a call-up. With the current system, that possibility is not there and his only option is a lateral move....rather than a step UP. A kid with Duclair's talent needs to be CHALLENGED and the Q won't do that.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:08 pm EST

Speaking of "rag-dolls," Cam Barker was back in the Hawks line-up last night, they had drafted him 3rd overall, and he tossed Girardi around like a rag doll last time he was donning a Chicago sweater..... YUUUPPP: went the extra mile & found the footage, this was the last time I can recall Girardi laying on a solid check. HA, and all us Nash-Bashers about being "comfortable" for a mere two seasons... Seems like Girardi is still uncomfortable to lay someone out after 5! (I recall some Wallbangers saying, man Girardi's old man's a big dude ......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qADZfMYnFg0

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:05 pm EST

Bob: crazy to think each team should be able to designate one player for Ahl/Nhl shuttle duty? Or atleast expand 8 game trial to 40?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:52 pm EST

Took a little longer than I though, but RF4L has checked in to defend the precious Canadian junior leagues again. I usually agree with his view as it applies to Ranger prospects, as they are not usually all that good. Where I disagree is in rare cases like this.....where you have a kid that has dominated at that level and there is no choice but to go back there or stay in the NHL, skipping the legitimate growth level of the AHL. The problem I have is with the purpose of the rule, which is to "protect" the Canadian juniors from losing young players to NHL organizations. I wish the Rangers could send Duclair to Hartford. Oh well, given the choices available, he should probably go back to the Q.

Bob


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:42 pm EST

FACE - OFF REPORT from last night, JT Miller lead the way, this is a pretty interesting STAT Layout...(imo) ... http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20142015/FC010043.HTM

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:33 pm EST

On a brighter note, could we be the first team to challenge for the cup with the least amount of "right" shots up front...............? I guess there is no way of checking out this Stat.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:30 pm EST

Ha Hip. You said it, not me lol. Colorado (or whomever has the BR crush) already has a hitman looking for me! Hospo!! You on board yet? Bus is gettin crowded!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:30 pm EST

I am not a big Stepan fan, to say the least.We could trade his ass away tomorrow and I wouldn't blink an eye. Let's just hope that this really opens the door for Miller an that he rises to the challenge ( did I use enough of cliches for you ?)

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:10 pm EST

And like I posted earlier today - Duclair will be returning to a team that's already in the Memorial Cup (and crappy teams never host that tourney - they are always competitive). What he's not done in juniors is lead his team to lofty heights, those heights being overall regular season champions, a deep PO run, a Memorial Cup appearance and a spot on Canada's WJC. The latter shouldn't be underrated. It may be met with indifference in the US, but in Canada it's one of most watched tourneys every year and comes packed with pressure. Almost to a man (well, boy actually) those that play for Canada come away with an experience that only helps them, sometimes quite profoundly. Send this kid back and let him dominate. There's enough depth on the roster, with enough kids impressing, not to mention the team aspires to another deep PO run, that erring on the side of caution is the best way to go (IMO).

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:04 pm EST

JFC: Re Malhotra and Duclair. First I disagree 100% that Manny was too good for juniors. He was only 18 and coming off a rather uninspiring 16 goal performance. That kid belonged no where BUT juniors IMO. The poor guy got caught between Neil Smith trying to show everyone the Rangers weren't without young assets and scMuckler knowing Manny wasn't NHL ready. Regarding Duclair - why can't the Rangers err on the side of caution and send him back? What on earth is the rush? Time and time again the Rangers incessant need to rush their youth has proven to (at that very least) achieve nothing, the latest example being MDZ, who for whatever stupid reason, the Rangers turned pro at 19 when he hadn't even dominated junior yet. Duclair appears to be further along at the same age, but show me one example where sending a kid back for his final junior year retards his development - especially a kid picked in the 3rd round. Don't take this wrong - I'm not scolding you; just tired of Sather's inexplicable desire to turn the Ranger youth pro prematurely. He did it was Blackburn, Graham, MDZ, Grachev, Miller and tried to do it with Kreider and this summer Skeji. I don't get it.

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:59 am EST

Rhet -- Duclair is in the same situation as Manny Malhotra was....he's too good for Juniors but does not have the option of playing in the AHL. Would love to see him make the team....in the offensive zone, he's got superior skills and instincts. But, the Rangers probably won't want to rush him. Still....what the hell is he going to learn back in Jrs?? It'll be a wasted year.....very tempting to keep him here.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:41 am EST

Thought RICHARDS actually had a solid game. He came inches away from potting one....DESJARDINS robbed him in a pretty major way...Said it before...he's gonna be an asset to the Hawks, especially seeing as though they're so cap-strapped...On a Hawks note...Man, Corey CRAWFORD looked absolutely AWFUL...he's quickly slipping into FLEURY territory...I was actually very surprised with how easily the Hawks knuckled under after those first two goals...Granted, they were missing some of their regulars...but they had ALL their stars in last night...10 regulars by my count...the best among the guys they didn't have in was probably VERSTEEG(who'll probably be traded before the seasons starts and Nick LEDDY...Rangers were missing MSL, Step, Kredier, Staal, Hagelin, and Boyle...all critical pieces...Yeah, one pre-season game...But a BIG one IMO.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:30 am EST

JFC - Labrie is a tough customer too. McILRATH shook him a round like a rag doll.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:11 am EST

RABID RANGER, -- I thought #48 LINDBERGH and #46 HRIVIK played very similar games. At times it was hard to distinguish the two. Both played sound & solid. HVIVICK has nice size on the wing & LINDBERG is non description but seems to be strong & defensively smart/responsible. --- As for #91 RICHARDS, he remains the same, still a Buck-Toothed, Monotone, Beaver-Faced B#stard, only difference is the red sweater. He is on a line with #88 KANE.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:06 am EST

Tarnaski pummels Cody Bass: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/124403

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:03 am EST

Here's Mac Ill Wrath's fight from last night http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/124404 The Hawks guy could have gotten a charging penalty....Mac immediately stood up,for Borque....you can see Borque come over to Mac after the fight and say, "Thanks" and Mac nods his head. You can't overestimate how important that stuff is to a hockey team.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:43 am EST

Malone is day-to-day with a hip flexor.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:41 am EST

Let's keep a little perspective on the team and it's young players , it''s only one preseason game A lot can happen before the regular season starts.. Also, the only way one of the young defensemen is making this team is if they downright outplay one of the top six. None of the kids is going to be the 7th defensemen so they can just practice with the team and never play (of course that's barring an injury).

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:31 am EST

hipcheck - MILLER and STEPAN are just two dynamically different players...I'd say skill-wise, Miller has more natural ability. The kid can drop your jaw with some his moves and has a mean streak that I just don't see anywhere among the Rangers' forward lines. Kid is STRONG too...I know I talk up the kid a lot, but there's a reason for it...his work along the boards...again...it's something the Rangers don't have. Not at least with someone of Miller's size. I think I read somewhere he's tipping the scales at 215 now...he's got CALLAHAN'S grit and willingness to go to hard-fought areas...difference is, he's a lot stronger than Cally....STEPAN, OTOH...while I wouldn't ever call him a finesse player and I think his work in the corners often gets short-changed here, his game is all about hockey IQ and vision. I think his actual skills are above average...but nothing to write home about...his ability to find guys through traffic and then get them the puck is second to maybe only ZUCCARELLO on the Rangers, IMO...but Step simply doesn't have a lot of upper-body strength and I think he gets knocked around a little more than he should for a top-line center...that said, his hockey IQ more than compensates for that. Having them both on the team is a huge advantage...especially if Miller can duplicate this kind of play during the regular season.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:16 am EST

Pretty much agree with everything everyone has said already...Especially that the kids are sure outplaying a lot of these vet UFAs...definitely on defense... But also up front...I didn't see much from STEMPNIAK that suggests he's owed a top-nine spot...Defense looked MUCH more solid than against the Devils...now I'll toss a little of that on the fact that McDONAGH skated 23 minutes... But they played a very tough Hawks team regardless and came up aces...I think MILLER is going to make STEPAN'S absence a lot less painful...again, it's just two days...but the fact that the kid has three points in two games and has looked VERY comfortable in the middle...and then couple that with the fact that he's owning in the faceoff circle...I'd say he's the odds-on favorite for the job...And LINDBERG? He certainly didn't hurt his chances for third-line center with that performance. I still think the Rangers will defer to him skating serious minutes in Hartford instead of bottom line minutes in New York...but if Lombardi doesn't pull his head from his ass, I think he may very well be the Rangers' third or fourth-line center until STEPAN comes back...Will be interesting if McILRATH makes the team...In no uncertain terms, that would mean KLEIN becomes expendable...And you gotta smile with DUCLAIR and BUCHNEVICH in the system...Lots of hockey to play this season and I never like to put much faith in pre-season...But this is looking like a deep, tough team heading into game 1.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:03 am EST

Dying being unable to see games, caught highlights at least. But being able to read everyone's comments is wonderful. Ok, Lindberg & Richards both played lol. Oscar got one I know, Richie had a goose egg. Dont know if Richards was with Kane or Sharp or what, if anyone noticed.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:59 am EST

Sorry, let me re-word that. #10 is not more complete or better than #21. I just really like the aggressive forechecking, hitting & frame of MILLER compared to STEPAN'S skill, finesse, vision, passing & point production.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:56 am EST

YORK18, -- Totally agree regarding MILLER. Definitely his best game as a NYR. He looks more focused & mature. He was arguing with the officials, giving instructions to linemates, etc.. There is no denying his size, speed & skill package. I never pictured him as a true #1 C, (and he probably never will be) but last night he looked more "complete" than STEPAN.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:48 am EST

RF4L, -- Undertaker pretty much knocked the guy down very early in the fight, and it could of ended there. MCILLIRATH is such a monster, he helped the dude up so he could beat on him som more. MAC I Had a size/reach advantage but the guy from Chicago fought very long & hard. Many solid punches connected on both sides. MCILLRATH won the fight. He resembles a very young BEUKEBOOM.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:43 am EST

Haven't had a chance to read all of your comments from the game yet. I just finished watching most of it. Here's my quick 2¢ on some of the new guys. -- #46 DUCLAIR: Holy Cow!! Couldn't be happier or more impressed with what I saw. Future is super bright. #71 BOURKE. Very active & involved. Too small, but will have a nice depth insurance type roll in the organization. #42 MCILLRATH: This kid needs to become a regular part of the core team as soon as he is deemed ready. I freak'n LOVE what he adds to the lineup. #37 ALLEN: Got some nice upside & potential. Could probably play for a weak team and be a solid 6. #43 TARNASKY: He is strong with a mean edge. Nice to know he is available when needed. I liked his heart & energy.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:13 am EST

BTW nice to see some positive comments on here about McI's play overall. He sounds like he's a bubble player, which, given where he was this time last year, isn't a bad thing because he means he's progressing. And that really is the key: Is he progressing (appears to be) vs stalled. If/when the latter occurs, then it's time to seriously question his NHL potential.

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:11 am EST

Can someone give some details on the McI fight? Did he win it? He was protecting a teammate apparently - what happened? Thx....

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:06 am EST

Great to see Duclair impressing. This kid sure looks like the real deal. That said, with others impressing too, I sure hope Duclair is sent back to juniors where he can challenge for the QMHL scoring title, be a go-to player for Canada's WJC team and then play a dominate role for Quebec in the memorial cup (they are the host team for this year's tourney). If he continues to do well in pre-season games he's likely to move back to juniors and tear up the league. Then next year he can challenge for the Calder trophy!

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 7:44 am EST

The thing that concerns me with McL is he falls down a lot. He really needs to work on his skating. Not foot speed because,he will never be fast but his power,and balance when battling in traffic and when clearing the crease. Otherwise he looked a lot more comfortable out there. But IMO Allen looked better and NHL ready.

NYStranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 6:50 am EST

York I'm rooting for the kid, but he seems way too tentative and nervous with the puck. he needs to pass it a lot harder. he turned it over a few times. I hope veenyo gives him a shot, but he seems to need more teaching and learning on how to be a nhl d man, especially with their rules being enforced preseason and early, then not by the playoffs.... playing him as 7th d on the 4th line would be the role I'd like for him.....Allen might beat him out for a spot, if either get it........sather will probably push veenyo to keep the vets he signed for the first 10- 20 games....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 27 2014 6:34 am EST

Stevie did you watch mcl play last night not ready? Av seems to disagree and anyone who watched last nights game saw his smart plays with the puck going into the corners twice with two guys on him making the smart play. Try watching before you post

York18


Sat Sep 27 2014 6:29 am EST

Watched the game twice and I'll start with both Allen and McI were a tremendous. Improvement on D then Mondays craptastic vet tryouts. They also faced a way better hawks team. Allen was solid.again and looked stronger than last year. Mci showed his improvement and that he's pushing the door open. Smart plays all game with the puck and without. Great job in the corners and his foot speed is better and he works and can play in avs system. Miller played his best gameas a ranger with and without the puck this is the Miller that you see in hartford. Duclair what can you say 19 years old and the kid can fly. He's smart in all three zones and he scored that goal on a cross body one timer granted it was a floating pass but anyone who plays knows how hard a cross body one timer is usually you receive the pass and shoot. This kid could be something special. Lindberg typical solid outing from him and what I expect he will be a good third line center in the future. Haggerty was solid but quiet. Stempniak looked as expected.

York18


Sat Sep 27 2014 5:36 am EST

Read lb on kid k then realize why kids shouldn't get an open door. They need to break down the door and not get pushed out. Big Mac needs to learn how to move the puck. He's not ready for the speed of the NHL . Eclair is a kid who can follow in kid is footsteps. .... The NHL is making it harder and harder to defend . The new way is to hump the other guy until they outlaw that. You have to be a masochist to be a d man or a goalie with what they keep trying to do until the playoffs.... The most inconsistent league of ideas and enforcing of too many rules.... Guy charges borque no call so Big Mac steps in and they over punish him for it..... Guess if borque got injured maybe they'd understand....instigator rule is bs when taken literally....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:55 pm EST

This is test... More than one of these kids came to get a job. I'd like to think and/or see AV make the ballsie call and give these kids a legit shot... Love the emery all of them would bring to the line up. That's one of those things rhR separates the men from the boys! I, for one, would love to see AV stand up for some of these kids rhT are hungry and doing things the right way! LGR!

Z


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:51 pm EST

apparently the prodigal sons were the first, second and third stars tonight for Tampa. //// Bickel had a couple fights earlier in the week against Winnipeg.

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:49 pm EST

On our 2nd to last goal which was credited to JT Miller on the deflection, Miller deserves much credit for setting up the play. Miller fought hard behind the net, being brought down to the ice, yet still managing to (looked like one hand) get the puck back to the blue line left side... Miller then proceeded to move to the slot couple of feet in front of the crease & I believe it was John Moore who shot from the point for JT Miller to redirect...... FoRget the PBR's, "IT'S, MILLER TIME!" :-)

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:46 pm EST

Duclair probably wont make the team but It's pretty damn ludicrous that we can't send him to the AHL. The fact that a 19 year old player can make an NHL team but can't be sent to an AHL club because of his age makes absolutely zero sense. If he's capable, he should be able to move up. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:13 pm EST

Great to hear NASH has started off on the right foot..even happier to hear about MILLER and the FO circle..a HUGE need for the Rangers..Sounds like the kid wants to grab that 2nd (ultimately 3rd) C spot!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:11 pm EST

Desjardins looked good.

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:07 pm EST

Very impressed with the kids tonite. This is gonna be a very good Club for quite awhile!

pa.rangersfan


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:06 pm EST

Good game by the Rangers. A good number of young guys stood out and got on the score sheet. Miller looked good, Duclair looked good, Lindberg looked good. McIlrath was solid and protected his team mate...very important. Nash looked very good and seemed to have chemistry with Duclair. Miller showed that he can play center effectively and he worked the PP well. He didn't just shoot well, he distributed the puck well, too. Borque likes to shoot the puck and has a very good shot. Brass looked good, Zucc has playing around too much with the fancy thread-the-needle stuff but he'll be fine. Like that AV used the PP to try out the Brass-Zucc-Nash line. Good game...they looked pretty sharp....way ahead of where they were last preseason.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:53 pm EST

Rangers have looked very confident on the PP. Miller has really distributed the puck well and looks very confident and sure of himself. Duclair has sick hands....when he's in the offensive zone, he looks like he is completely confident and aware.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:46 pm EST

They announced JT Miller is like 12 & 2 on face-offs..... this kid may have a hidden niche / value added component to his game...... good for him..

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:31 pm EST

The misconduct was ridiculous....as Sam & Micheletti said, it probably had a lot to do with previous stuff before that hit. That's just not hockey....it was a ridiculous call and at a time when a kid like McI is tring to make the team and needs the experience.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:18 pm EST

Can someone explain the misconduct penalty? Is it automatic with the instigator now? That pansy crap annoys the crap out of me plus leaves too much control to the discretion of the refs. The other player was willing to fight back so there should be no instigator. I would rather beat Buttman than this dead horse...

NYStranger


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:00 pm EST

Duclair may be highly skilled and he may be a sniper but, he also does something very basic and very effective....he goes to the net without the puck and he gets in tight. He'll pick up a lot of goals like that. They all don't have to be pretty. He looks good in the offensive zone....he knows what he's doing.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:48 pm EST

Bullshit misconduct penalty kills McIlrath's period....he needs these minutes! Not good.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:47 pm EST

Love it! McIlrath sticks up for a smaller team mate and wins the fight!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:23 pm EST

stevie -- agreed...he took on one of the top heavyweights in the NHL and did very well. We need what he brings to the table. Just worried if he'd be able to stay sharp being a #7

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:21 pm EST

Duclair speaks very well, is poised and respectful....he'll be a great Ranger, great role model for young hockey players.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:16 pm EST

Would someone please fucking enlighten me as to how does it benefit NY Rangers to blackout the pre-season game in the southeastern US even though I am paying for NHL center ice AND Sports package which includes the msg network!!!

Topovski


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:10 pm EST

Hfc? Jfc auto correct is wrong

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:09 pm EST

HFCs kid impressed me and his teammates when he helped them win a game taking on a real goon.... Let him learn up here . The kids on other ahl teams will be happy not to see him in Hartford ....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:07 pm EST

Young guns look good and hungry! Rangers look good.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:02 pm EST

Duclair went to the net and finished beautifully! Nice saucer pass by Nash!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:01 pm EST

DuClair from NASH!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:00 pm EST

stevie --interesting that Rosen quoted AV about being interested in McIlrath as 7th D....I'd love to see it a hell of a lot more than those 2 journeymen D we signed. I mean really....could those guys be that much better than McI? Connor Allen might be a better D-man but he doesn't have the magic ingredient that McI has....fists of fury!!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:55 pm EST

gene_carr -- Tonight's game is on MSG network and the '72. Playoff game was on MSG Vault right before tonight's game

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

On NHL at 1 am

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

RANGERS look fast

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

VEENYO leaving door open for big Mac as 7 th d... Knows nyr need size the missing ingredient against the lalas... Nyr with tough guys with an edge will intimidate and beat most teams any night ... Bring back the blacknblue shirts with grit and balls...

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:50 pm EST

jfc I wish I could see it. Is game only in NY area?

gene_carr


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:47 pm EST

Good for Tarnasky and Rabid's boy!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:46 pm EST

gene_carr -- you're namesake was on MSG before tonight's game...'72 playoffs.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:44 pm EST

Tarnasky wins a fight by a wide margin. He had no interest in protecting his face at all, LOL! Just threw 'em hard and beat the guy up pretty good.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:44 pm EST

Tarnasky can throw them pretty good and takes them

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:42 pm EST

Limburger squeezes the cheese 1-0

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:36 pm EST

MSG is blacked out on Direct TV. Is that only my problem?

gene_carr


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:31 pm EST

JFC - Would love to see that...At that time I had both a Ranger Jersey (#7) and the BlackHawks road jersey......And one name I always loved......PIT MARTIN!!!!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:17 pm EST

And one of my favorites....Bobby Rouseau!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:11 pm EST

Great MSG Vault on before game...Blackhawks vs. Rangers 1972. They're using Marv Alberts radio announcing over the TV feed....sounds so good. Names like Bruce MacGregor, Ted Irvine, Dale Rolfe, Gilles Villemure, Stemkowski, Glen Sather!!, the GAG Line,...Ratelle broke his ankle, missed 20 games and STILL had 109 points...was a shell of himself in the POs and we lost to Bruins in the Finals. Mikita, the Hull brothers, Jim Pappin, Keith Magnuson for the Hawks. Great stuff.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 6:05 pm EST

Hey Claudie-boy........Touch-a touch-a touch-a touch me- I wanna be dirty .......... Fuck you Simmons!

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 6:03 pm EST

Rangers better watch their "rear ends," Giroux may be on the ice... :-)

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:53 pm EST

Bring it on Simmonds! Just like last year! And Yeah, I'm sure the Flyers will dress the likes of Rosehill, Rinaldo and their new/old thug of the week Zac Stortini! Will be good to see how the candidates react to that shit,.,,,Still, Mr. Glass, time to earns some of your money...and Good time to dress Mcilrath also.!! But, Chicago first...Hope NASH starts off on the right fooot!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:31 pm EST

Rangers are on MSG tonight at 8. Looking forward to it.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:25 pm EST

http://m.snyrangersblog.com/all/2014-15-read-wayne-simmonds-says-that-the-flyers-are-out-for-blood-against-the-rangers#1

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:04 pm EST

Can't stand Michelletti....He does not like the Rangers....Needs to go back to the Fishsticks....Have no idea why he is kept around....

PJ


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:35 pm EST

why is joe dickaletti back?...he just praises everybody especially the opposition....what a pos....he's not jd except for my initials for his name. I gave him..aka popeye ..let nbc take him permanently..he was right back at it on Monday....nauseating ..he has a man crush on the nose....probably to keep his job he kisses his ass.....a real phony.......

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:25 pm EST

Cablevision in CT claims to be showing tonight's game at 8:30PM on MSG - which is what I thought Sam and Joe announced during last Monday night's game.....

Ranger47


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:25 pm EST

WILD - You probably are right, it was all news to me and I was barely paying attention to the game...But, still, quite important

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:05 pm EST

Hospo: I could be wrong (happens a lot more than i would like!) but I thought I had read that the new face-off rules only pertained to face-offs after an icing.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 26 2014 1:32 pm EST

TDCHI - Face offs are important, and lead to puck control and why I yammered about it this summer given that our top two C's (Brass and Step) are fairly weak...Boyle is gone so that ship has sailed...We all know MOORE is a good FO man but still likely a 4th liner...FO ability may indeed play a roll in who the other two centers are and why I don't see St' Louis at all,,,...All have question marks...yeah, you say Miller is strong and is decent at FOs, but there really is no histroy for him in the NHL...only time will tell....Lombardi had a few very good YEARS in the FO circle (and some bad ones) winning well over 50%, but how rusty is he? Again, time will tell... Hayes to me still looks kinda awkward and weak, and not likely to do well as an HNHL faceoff man.. but as he gets stronger and is able to use his size he should be good in the circle...How long will that take?....And Lindberger, despite Rabid's confidence, remains a mystery to me, including in th FO circle.!.........It's also imortant to note that there is a new FO rule this year...Somebody on the NHL Network was explaining it..I think you get ONE warning in the circle as a team and the next one, no matter who the players is, it's a 2 minute penalty...Important stuff Face offs are...says YODA

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:47 am EST

CBJ / Ranger's Lite beat The Blues, are now 4-0.... Johansen, Dubinsky & Horton (sore back) did not play.... http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/boxscore?id=2014010041

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:45 am EST

I think the problem with MSL at center will fall more on his ability to take faceoffs. Small, but very important part of the game the Rangers have struggled with for years now...one of the reasons I like BOYLE was that he was so big that he could simply overpower people in the circle...I see HAYES doing the same thing...I've stated before that MILLER has been good in the circle...again, I'd give the kid a chance with the top talent...let his aptitude make the determination before I'd start throwing MSL into a position where he probably hasn't played since college.

tdchi


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:42 am EST

No roster spot for Guy Lombardo ? "Auld Lang Syne"

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:47 am EST

In that case: Kreider/MSL/Nash, Miller/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Lindberg/Hayes, Glass/Moore/Stempniak

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:38 am EST

MALONE day-to-day with a hip flexor...ugh...

tdchi


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:33 am EST

Kreider/MSL/Nash, Malone/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Miller/Stempniak, Glass/Moore/Hayes

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:23 am EST

Dish Network shows it on the NHL channel tonight but delayed start to around midnight

GaryRanger


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:22 am EST

Id definitely try MSL out at C for a game/scrimmage or two

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:21 am EST

Only Monday's game is live on NHL network; tonight's & Tuesdays are rebroadcasts. It's nice to see NHL Network showing tons of preseason games but I betchya all the reruns have the little spoiler score ticker along the bottom telling you how it'll end. Break out the black electrical tape for the bottom of your screen :)

LeoS


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:17 am EST

Don't know about tonight, but I know Monday and Tuesday are on the NHL Network

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:16 am EST

Ranger47 - I'm saying Stepan could be out for 20-25 games, you never know,..You don't put together a team now based on what you envision when Step comes back (and putting a scrub (relative) there) because it could be pissing away some valuable points...You cross the chemistry bridge when you come to it becasue you have no clue who might get injured in the interim.....But if they all follow AV's systems and all the C's have the same job, there shouldn't be an issue....just an improvement

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:14 am EST

Ive seen links to the pre-season games on streamhunter

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:57 am EST

Is the game on TV tonight? Wonder if the decision on forwards is a nail-biter right before final cuts, if AV might consider going with carrying only 6 defenseman to start the season. Easy enough to call someone up if thete's an injury on D. Know it's not l