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Fri Feb 12 2016 2:02 am EST

E - And as I always do (about the 30th time) whenever you , VIC and others say this, I'll disagree with that..I thought it was a very close series with the Rangers giving as good as they got.(alternating who was "winning the play"). Yes, the Rangers could have won, but they didin't and The Kings were the better team. period. Especially because of the way they took over games with their size in their offensive zone for long streches, especially later in the games as the smaller Rangers tired..

Hospo


Fri Feb 12 2016 12:48 am EST

I'll take it to another level. I. Think for most of the LAK series the NYR simply outplayed the Kings in all 3-zones. But the LAK had something in their water. Their penchant for a late third period goal after being gut punched all game long and they were virtually automatic once they went to OT. But I think the NYR were more physical, pushed the pace, had the better scoring chances and ended up losing anyway.

E


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:50 pm EST

JFC: You raise a valid point re Kreider in the King series. He was dynamite except for the finish. LA really struggled containing him. He's not played like that, except for brief stretches, since.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 7:48 pm EST

JFC - Good points on both those guys...Can't really disagree..Both are very physically talented but both have different problems with their game...Krieder with the overthinkng and crazy choices with the puck/not being able to finish (both related)...and Hayes with his over-confidence and (to me) selfish overhandling of the puck...The deal breaker for me is Hayes total lack of strength on ice and his damn goofy face..:)...I keep Kreider, but admit that Hayes ceiling (if both reach it) might be higher eventually...I think both stick around and we'll be having this discussion for awhile..

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 7:21 pm EST

Hospo -- that's my BIG gripe with Kid K....no finish. I don't know that it can be taught bt you're right....a lack of confidence can cause a guy who can finish, not to. He supposed to be a smart kid....an intellect, a thinker. Maybe that's his problem....he thinks too much, second guesses himself. That Cup series disaster he had against LA could actually be part of the problem if he can't compartmentalize and put it behind him.

JFC31


Thu Feb 11 2016 7:17 pm EST

And yeah, Hayes thinks he's all that and a bag of chips but at least I see in him someone who is confident with the puck (sometimes too confident) and has the ability to FINISH. I would actually trade Kreider before Hayes at this point. Somehow, I think Hayes is going to have to have a lesson taught to him before he GETS IT. Humility is one of those lessons.

JFC31


Thu Feb 11 2016 7:08 pm EST

kid k would fit in la......

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:55 pm EST

RF4L - I think your hatred of LUCIC colors your thinking of the Kings...Alot of big guys that just play big..Well, to each their own.....ON KREIDER - Hear what ou guys are saying.....but...he makes so many good plays putting himslf in position to score unlike most Rangers...but only to invent new and crazy ways not to score.. I can easily see it changing around for him once (or if) he gets a real confident buzz going on....I have said many times, I would love the Rangers to bring in a vet leader type amongst the forwards..can only help guys like Kid K, Miller, Hayes, Lindberger..

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:47 pm EST

kid k is playing the veenyo way....otherwise he'll be in trouble taking penalties....maybe the refs don't like how he acts or talks....he needs to play with an edge , but he's not......

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:45 pm EST

RF4L -- I've been on the Trade Kreider Train for a few months now. I just don't think it's going to happen for him....not only because of the disappearing act but because the kid simply can't put the puck in the net the way a power forward needs to. He's nothing more than a bigger, stronger Hagelin. Trade him before the rest of the league figures it out. I guarantee there are a few teams out there who think they can bring out he "power forward" in him and give us a hefty return of a youngish forward who can actually FINISH when the puck is put on his tape standing next to a wide open net....or score on a breakaway when the Cup hangs in the balance.

JFC31


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:37 pm EST

Vic/Fred: Seems pretty straight forward to me: Trade his ass outa New York before he's worth nothing more than a bag of pucks.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:36 pm EST

Kings not dirty? Well, no if you take their abuse without pushing back they aren't. Push back and just like the Bruins until very recently, they get all indignant and out come the dirty tactics, led of course by that sack of shit Lucic. If the Rangers come out hitting, look out. I sure hope McI is dressed and if Lucic starts his crap, I sure hope McI challenges him.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 5:55 pm EST

FRED: I agree with a lot of that but the problem is that both the league and his coach are on him about being too physical and too aggressive and it has been going on for the last few years. What is he supposed to do? Any time he hits anyone hard he gets called for a penalty. Last night he had the puck and was hit by a Pen. He saw the hit coming and braced himself and the Pen went flying. And KREIDER got a penalty for it. That is up there as one of the worst calls I have ever seen. So any time he hits anyone the league punishes him. And his coach gives him hell for taking a penalty. What would you do in his shoes? They have neutered his game. I would have loved to see him play in the 80s. He would have been a force back then. Not in today's game where just about every hard hit is whistled for a penalty no matter how clean or dirty the hit was. Unless you target the head. That seems to be ok even though the league is supposed to be cracking down on it.

Vic


Thu Feb 11 2016 5:41 pm EST

I have to say that Jones and Millbury were right on th eMoney with their analysis of Greider....float, forgot how to play, no more big checks, occasionally uses his speed, has games were you don't even know he's playing, someone needs to simplify the game for him and get him hitting people and using his speed and the goals will come again. Can't argue with any of that. To me his regression as well as Hayes is on the Coaching Staff.

MelvilleFred


Thu Feb 11 2016 4:16 pm EST

HOSPO: not so brilliant minds think alike

E


Thu Feb 11 2016 4:11 pm EST

E - That's exactly why I called the Kings "heavy" not "dirty"..A big team that uses their size along the boards and in the crease/slot..

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 4:05 pm EST

We'll be playing the Kings after they play the Islanders tonight which hopefully bodes well for us. Here's to the Iceholes and Queens beating the shit out of each other and going to OT!

RDW


Thu Feb 11 2016 4:02 pm EST

LA plays a rough and tumble style but as a collective unit they aren't tremendously dirty. You'd think they were much worse considering some of the players in their lineup. What they will do however is take you to the boards and grind on you. They complete their checks and you aren't getting time and space. I've seen them at their most ineffective when you take the half boards and keep them hemmed in much like the New York Rangers have been effective at lately. You talk about McIlrath and where he should thrive? This is it. He's gonna face big forwards. One thing about seeing the Sharks so often is Boyle is continuously exposed against them. It's funny, I live the way the Los Angeles Kings were assembled. They are in so many ways my template for winning. I really enjoy the way they play.

E


Thu Feb 11 2016 3:35 pm EST

RF4L - More than likely..Let's just hope it keeps up...The Rangers will never throw the big or dirty checks, but they are best when physically active and finishing them..But a few dirty checks against the Flyers would be fine with me!

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 3:24 pm EST

Hospo: Perhaps all of the above?

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 3:22 pm EST

RF4L _ Don't agree at all on the Mcilrath angle but, who knows, you could be right...Whether it's the Simmonds hit ,the injuries, Mcilrath being in the lineup or whatever, this is how the Rangers have to play..Th next two games againt the heavy Kings and Simmnds/Flyers should be fun...

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 2:56 pm EST

good point on talbot, besides him doing a good job filling in last year, is probably the nyr played better since hanky wasn't there to save them....who knows what goes on in their heads besides empty headed gabby hayes eating his foot.....kid sounds like a burn out from cheech and chong.....far in man.....

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 2:40 pm EST

Hospo: Re Simmonds crap waking up the Rangers. Could be. Could also be the need to play that way because your number 1 forward and number 1 d-man is out. It's likely not directly related, but I maintain having McI in the lineup gives the team more courage and spunk overall. It's one reason having a guy like that who can play regularly can be such a key.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 2:36 pm EST

RF73...........If Hayes was only half as good as he thinks he is, we would be in business......this is his problem !.....................................All hail Eddie Giacomin

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:50 pm EST

RF73 _ Damn, do I hate Kevin Hayes...What kind of bozo says that.? let alone one that had scored 1 goal in 30 games? Above average my ass! I agree he's finally started playing a more simple game and it shows...But still pretty much a non factor untill he both produces and plays an NHL level team game....Hopefully last night is a real start but I'm not sure this goof gets it...

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:38 pm EST

BOB/RF4L - I remember the the first two games after the ALL-STAR Break, especially the Devil game, the Ranngers were playing a no-contact game and letting the other teams dictate the physical play..But since the SIMMIONDS sucker punch, the Rangers have been hitting like crazy...Taking the initiative physically and playing with passion..And no wonder they are playing well...Maybe it took something like that?

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:24 pm EST

Bob: The stat I read was something like 46 to 26 hits in favour of the Rangers. Now sometimes that is skewed one way because the team with the lesser total has the puck so much more....dunno if that was the case last night, although I suspect that did have something to do with it. The Penguins had what, 40 shots? On top of that, the Rangers had 25 blocked shots. It was less than half on both counts the other way.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:16 pm EST

Hospo: Not necessarily so - next activity could be a trade so 1) LA eats some salary 2) the 50 body headcount for contracts isn't impacted.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:16 pm EST

"You have to play with confidence and I haven't really been on the score sheet too much lately," Hayes said. "But I think my OVERALL GAME HAS BEEN ABOVE AVERAGE and I'm just trying to play with confidence. ... Hopefully it's a jump-start. But like I said, I'm happy with where my game is, and beyond the goal tonight, I'm happy with how I'm playing defensively and how I'm playing offensively." Kid is very full of himself.

RF73


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:14 pm EST

It was New York's first shutout at Pittsburgh since Feb. 27, 1971, when Ed Giacomin won 4-0.

RF73


Thu Feb 11 2016 12:40 pm EST

Liked the physical game they played last night. Finishing checks all over the place.

Bob


Thu Feb 11 2016 12:35 pm EST

OLA - Ehrhoff cleared waivers..You can relax

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 12:29 pm EST

Was watching the game last night but fainted when lazy Hayes scored....Had to watch the game this morning....A fairly good road game by the Rangers backed by sharp goaltending from The King..Good to see struggling players like Moore (great shot) and Hayes (at least he was near the net!) score...And what was that, the 5th EMPTY NET GOAL of the year for jasper Fast? He does have that knack!......The team seems to have refoubnd thier dedication to team defense and physical play...Great time to be playing fairly well with the deadline coming..This team stil ldesperately needs a TOP 6-9 forward but at least they don't have to be in a panic mode.........Gotta love that fire from JTMILLER and bitching about his linemates weak play..Similar to the way he's one of the few Rangers to take a run at he opposition after his team has been abused..Will be Captain one day...

Hospo


Thu Feb 11 2016 11:11 am EST

york: Agreed on the AV and his vet loving stuff. Drives me bonkers sometimes. I just hope he's breaking McI in slowly as he did with Miller and over time, McI will get more minutes (as opposed to the thinking that AV doesn't like McI as looks for reasons NOT to play him).

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 11:01 am EST

Two hours until word is spread if Erhoff is claimed right?

Ola


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:42 am EST

STEVIE: I thought of that possibility as well but would anyone outside of the Rangers or Pens know that or care?

Vic


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:26 am EST

the put jitters because he's from outside pitts, and his father is a pitts fan....nbc nothing but crap....

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:18 am EST

Drew- Ive said many times, Hank went out last year and we played horribly the first game. Talbot looked like he couldn't save a beach ball. Sure after that they went on a streak and Talbot got great stats, but you could tell how the team kind of panicked and went into win-now mode. It probably got us the President Trophy, but I doubt it benefited us in the POs. Its maybe early this year too, but we played the first half of the season on cruise control no doubt. Then it seemed like we had developed so many bad habits that we struggled to get back on track again which kind of rattled the team, but they should have potential to be a lot more than what we have shown so far this year. Enough to win a cup? That is another issue. Sure WAS is really deep and Tampa are strong this year too. Among others. But...

Ola


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:18 am EST

Drew, no he was caught by I belive Maguire who repeated it.

York18


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:17 am EST

DREW: What has changed over the last week to two weeks is that they are playing much better defensively. They aren't making the coverage mistakes they had been making all year. They aren't leaving guys wide open in front of HANK. Other teams are still getting quality scoring chances but they are mostly coming from turnovers rather then mistakes in coverage. Some of their recent success may stem from the teams they are playing. That is why I was worried about last night as the Pens had been playing well. But the Rangers were very good defensively (outside of the turnovers) and HANK was very sharp. They can have success playing this way. They can still be a team to be reckoned with this year. But that will depend on where they go from here. Do they build on their recent play and layer in much better offensive efforts while not losing their defensive play? Or, does this stretch of solid defensive play prove to be a temporary thing? Only time will tell.....

Vic


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:17 am EST

RF No one here is a bigger supporter of Wrath than me, but it's easy to look ready against bottom 6 lines and easier to look worse against top 6 lines. With that said I'm not saying Wrath isn't ready, from the few odd shifts I have seen him facing top lines he has done very well, I think this warrants further inspection and he should be given more than the odd shift where the home team gets last change and can sneak a top line on. AV is married to his vets that is obvious look at how he sent MSL out shift after shift despite how bad he was playing and was never benched. Girardi and Nash get the same treatment. He says you have to play your best guys to win, the problem is he doesn't see that his idea of his best guys aren't his best guys. It also doesn't help that his supposed best guys play badly but they still win with a shut out no less.

York18


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:14 am EST

Haha, I love Miller for that. He has a bit of a special side to him in that regard, could have a big positive impact for this team down the road if used correctly.

Ola


Thu Feb 11 2016 10:08 am EST

York/RF4L - Was Miller caught on TV yelling at the bench? I would love to see that. You guys make an excellent point. They are playing good hockey without McDonagh and Nash in the line up. It reminds me a bit of last year, many (not necessarily this board) thought they were in trouble when Henrik was injured. The Rangers played very well in front of Cam Talbot. Some opined that the Rangers paid more attention to defense because they had a tendency to let Lundqvist bail them out. I hope they can salvage something this season.

DREW


Thu Feb 11 2016 9:45 am EST

york: By all accounts and from what I've actually seen (which is 3 games to date) McI looks ready and better than half of his peers, yet it seems his either pressboxed or endures reduced minutes more often than not when actually dressed. AFAIC, it's more a case of AV not particularly liking him vs what his play warrants, especially when compared to Boyle, Girardi and even Staal. I just hope if we are correct here, Gorton is seeing it too and therefore, won't trade McI.

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 9:16 am EST

RF remember my explanation of ice time and how it looks like he's being shafted but not really? Like I said in my last post he is proving hes worthy of top four min now, the question is will AV give it to him?

York18


Thu Feb 11 2016 9:15 am EST

Leaders gone they play better and like a team, Mcd Nash out they play like a team again. You want to see leadership, Miller goes back to the bench in the first and rips guys saying I can't make plays all by myself step it up. That's a guy who wants to lead and both by example and with words. Boyle was horrible, there is no other word for it, he needs to retire. Yandle that guy is a roller coaster ride every time he's on the ice, will he be that slick PMD threat or will he do his Boyle impersonation? Kreider, this kid can't have the season end fast enough to get a fresh start, if that will even help him at this point. This kid should not go unnoticed for entire games yet he does. Wrath with another solid outing, proving he is more than ready for what is starting to look like top four min. Stall was horrible for half the game.

York18


Thu Feb 11 2016 9:12 am EST

McI will only 11 minutes of icetime. Did he suck or is it just more evidence of AV's dislike of him (and looking for any reason to use him)?

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 8:58 am EST

Ola: I think the only person on here who dislikes Fast is Hospo!

RF4L


Thu Feb 11 2016 8:28 am EST

STEVIE: DIRECTV also had the game description showing “J.T. Miller and the New York Rangers take in Sidney Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins.” I was going to post it here last night but I was on my phone and I hate posting anything longer then a sentence or so from my phone. It was pretty surreal to see. You would have thought it would have mentioned HANK instead. MILLER puts together a month or so of great hockey and already everyone is talking about him nationally. Funny.....

Vic


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:43 am EST

28) Then Jesper Fast with the great effort to gain the red line and score the ENG. Then he absorbed a slash and a cheap shot by LeTang. So McIlrath just squished Kuhnhackl. 29) I got a chuckle out of Alain Vigneault explaining saving his timeout to Pierre McGuire. 30) So, before the game I was hearing that the Rangers were considering putting in a claim on 33-year-old waived defenseman Christian Ehrhoff – if he falls far enough for them to claim him. They wanted to see the current six defensemen again, with Boyle on the left. Not sure what this game told them, or if they will indeed put in a claim if the opportunity is there today. Of course, if they claim Ehrhoff, that means McIlrath goes back to the pressbox most nights. And I have no idea what, if anything, he has left. Of course, if there’s any inkling that McDonagh comes back reasonably soon, they don’t need Ehrhoff. They probably don’t/can’t know that yet. 31) LOL, the Optimum cable guide said: “J.T. Miller and the New York Rangers take in Sidney Crosby and the Pittsburgh Penguins.” Honest to God. Show of hands, how many thought they’d ever see that? I never did. 32) The NHL was actually advertising its new app in pop-up ads during play. Seriously? Shouldn’t they fix the damn thing first? 33) Mike Milbury was killing Kreider post-game. I mean, he didn’t accomplish much offensively, but I didn’t think he stunk. I saw him make a bunch of smart little plays protecting the lead. I saw his speed force Fleury to cheat on Moore’s goal. I think his game’s been progressing fine. He did have five hits, a couple of them big. Miller led the team with seven, McIlrath also had five. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/11/rangers-penguins-in-review-17/#sthash.hIr53EXn.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:18 am EST

Lundqvist said he was motivated by goaltending coach Benny Allaire’s recent challenge to post more shutouts — Lundqvist has three this season and 58 for his career — but also credited a change in his approach he made in the past week. “I’m not gonna tell you what, but it really brought me back to something that’s very important to my game,” said Lundqvist (366-222-69), who tied Mike Richter for the most appearances by a goaltender in Rangers history, while passing Martin Brodeur for the most wins by a goaltender in his first 11 seasons in the NHL. “It’s great. They don’t come easy these days for me. … I think when you feel like you’re playing your game, when you feel like you’re doing it the way you should do it, you feel like yourself. It’s more fun.”.....he stayed back in his goal using the old goal box now imaginary line to stand on .....

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 6:09 am EST

"... the Rangers failed to convert their only power play — the unit is 2-for-50 over the past 18 games and 0-for-15 in the past five games — the league’s 25th-ranked penalty kill succeeded in its two opportunities."

stevielegs


Thu Feb 11 2016 5:08 am EST

Jesper Fast with 7 pts in his last 8, good that he is picking up speed offensively too.

Ola


Thu Feb 11 2016 1:03 am EST

4 in a row 7-2 last nine guess they have finally turned it around and are on a decent roll... It's about time...

stevielegs


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:41 pm EST

Not to toot my own horn.....but i said a few weeks ago that the Rangers were slow playing the season like a poker player with pocket aces. Ok,, fuck it....toot toot.....pat my own back

TradeStar28


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:11 pm EST

And say what you want I feel this team plays bigger are meaner with McIlrath in the lineup

NYStranger


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:09 pm EST

This is the kind of game this team needs to play to win consistently. Good Teams tend to buckle down and play good team games when their top players are out. So the question is can they keep it up until Nash and McD return? And can they continue to play a solid hard nosed team game when those top players are reinserted into the lineup. Also will Lundqvist continue his solid play or revert to giving up those soft goals that have been far too frequent this season?

NYStranger


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:53 pm EST

Really good road win against a hot team. I'm not going to nit pick. Good effort by everyone.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:47 pm EST

Great TEAM Game tonight. Very proud of these guys....ok LA Friday.

MelvilleFred


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:34 pm EST

Good for the Rangers - scrappy and hard work. Doing it without McD and Nash - maybe both are expendable??

RF4L


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:32 pm EST

Don't look now but the New York Rangers are getting their holes closed. It's becoming classic New York Rangers MO. Just kinda find a way. its not always pretty but it works.

E


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:29 pm EST

HOSPO: I think it's hard to gauge ferocity of rivalries because each one has their own era. Like you it was the Flyers that first introduced me to hatred as a yute. But it was then the Islanders that I hated passionately. I grew up on the end of that gut punch. I never had Boston hate. At least exceptional. That was my cousins, father, grandfather, and uncles. But then came the NJD. It was competitive, mean spirited and had its Villains (Broduer, Stevens) had its high drama. I had a short run on Ottawa with their gooning it up. But who is it now? Probably, but not really. Washington by virtue of some spring series. But more then seething hatred I find myself enjoying the series. Nothing exceptionally bad happens. Mostly, it's just hard nosed and competitive hockey. I so wanted an Islanders series but maybe this spring. Oh, I'll love it. But I'll always have a special place in hell reserved for the Flyers. Their very colors irk me.

E


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:29 pm EST

Wow he paid for that one - yeah Fast!

WIOSA


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:29 pm EST

4 in a row!

rngrsans


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:17 pm EST

That ref needs to go back to Foot Locker

rangerlou


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:14 pm EST

Made up call BS managing i.e. Fixing the game

NYStranger


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:14 pm EST

Pens pulling down and holding folks all period and they call that a penalty. What a friggen debacle.

Fotiu22


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:14 pm EST

What a joke. KREIDER can't even defend himself against a hit on this league. Disgusting call....

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:08 pm EST

GOOOOOOOAAAAALLL DOMENIC! !!!

rangerlou


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:39 pm EST

This game is not exactly a masterpiece. The puck is bouncing around like a super ball.

Bob


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:39 pm EST

Obviously would love to trade Boyle. With the size and speed kreider has should have effect on a game yet you don't know he is on the ice. I would look to package him and Stepan and trade them both. Kreider is never going to be this magical player every ranger fan hopes. Some how he just can't put it all together.

KIS


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:25 pm EST

Colorado...I know http://www.newyorknewsgrio.com/news/126250-ex-ranger-hagelin-recalls-crying-after-zuccarello-s-injury.html

WIOSA


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:23 pm EST

Glad they didn't score on that BS icing call.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:18 pm EST

Nice to see the Rangers playing with a bit of authority and physicality. I disagree about the blanket statement that the 90s Debbies were boring. Yes later in the decade they helped ruin hockey but the '94 playoff team and the '95 Cup team were pretty darn good teams that played with speed and had a dominant forecheck. But maybe I am just misremembering.

NYStranger


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:16 pm EST

Hags in Penguin garb is hard to stomach!

ColoradoMark


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:13 pm EST

Hmmm. Mike Sullivan behind a bench, lousy power play? Just like old times! Pierre McGuire is a douche rocket!

ColoradoMark


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:11 pm EST

YANDLE is a freaking adventure with the puck in this one. It is either a great pass or a horribly abysmal pass/decision with the puck. Gives me ulcers just watching him.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:08 pm EST

YANDLE: What a killer quick no look pass... I sure wish the NYRs could find a way to keep him... he is one of their best players... trade Nash, sign Yandle

schneidw


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:48 pm EST

All in all it was a decent road period. They are up 1 to 0 and played well defensively minus the 3 bonehead turnovers by BOYLE and STAAL that led to golden scoring chances.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:45 pm EST

Trade Boyle only does that because he wants MSG to know he should be next for bobble head night

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:44 pm EST

BOYLE is the best playmaker the Pens have in the first period.....

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:37 pm EST

I think Dan Boyle shakes his head more than Don Maloney ever did

TradeStar28


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:28 pm EST

Willy "Mays" Hayes.......Runs like Mays .....hits like shit

TradeStar28


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:25 pm EST

He's ALIIIIIVE! Good job Hayes

WIOSA


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:24 pm EST

Woohoo, Hayes

rngrsans


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:23 pm EST

I bet Pitt is nervous about our PP:)

rngrsans


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:16 pm EST

Staal better get his head out of his ass fast!!!

rngrsans


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:15 pm EST

I hate Claude Lemieux with the intensity of the heat from a thousand suns

TradeStar28


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:12 pm EST

"Carl Hagelin misses the net"...... Where have i heard that before?

TradeStar28


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:01 pm EST

DEVILS: I never had a total HATRED of the Devils like I did for the FLYERS for some reason... I always respected a lot of the DEVILS from GM Lou all the way down.... I really liked Niedemeyer ALOT, tolerated Stevens, and just thought overall they played the game right, albeit boring. I always HATED the PENGUINS, FLYERS and now recently CAPITALS..

schneidw


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:56 pm EST

Curious, since AV likes to roll 4 lines... the 3rd n 4th liners are really important... curious, how do Wallsters rate the performance of the Swedish Connection (Stalberg, Linberg, Fast) so far this year?? Are they SC worthy?

schneidw


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:54 pm EST

Anybody hear any updates (positive news) on McDonough??

schneidw


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:51 pm EST

Have to agree, 90's Devils = Boring tedious almost impossible to watch Hockey. As for Brodeur hated the guy.....but he won a couple of CUP's and played big when they did. I also believe that for a good part of his career the league had not yet instituted the OT and Shootout format.....so his career totals are pretty impressive.

MelvilleFred


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:48 pm EST

SCHNEIDW: I have the same feeling about tonight. The way the Pens have been playing coupled with how fragile the Rangers feel right now has me worried. If the Pens come out flying this could be a long and ugly night. Hopefully the Rangers step up and play one of their better games with a 60 minute effort.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:46 pm EST

HOSPO: Almost the same for me. I would put it Filthy, Islanders, Bruins and then Devils.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:45 pm EST

BlowOut? Damn, PITT has won 6 of 7.... NYRs are grinding out some unconvincing wins of late..but once again struggling to score.... I am not too confident the outcome will be favorable tonight...

schneidw


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:43 pm EST

NYRs PowerPlay: 2 freakin' goals in the last 49 attempts... how is that freakin' possible??? Just based on law of averages, a team shouldn't recede below 10%... its been 20 years since I recall a decent powerplay... brutal

schneidw


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:36 pm EST

Hospo.....your recollection of those Flyers nearly made me I'll.....all I remember was us getting our asses kicked round the clock. I despised those Flyer teams and to be honest not much has changed for me. Nothing better than when we can put a Beatin' on those ass clowns.

MelvilleFred


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:01 pm EST

For Me...

Hospo


Wed Feb 10 2016 6:59 pm EST

Bob - I think the "intensity" of the rivalries depends on when you grew up, when you were a hormone pumping teenager...Too me, nothing consumed me more then the Ranger-Flyer rivalry of the 1970's, constantly wanting the Rangers to fight back and bloody the Broadstreet Bullies...-- Damn Schultz, Kelly, Daley, Saleski, Kindrachuck, Mclhargey, barber, Watsons, Clark, Dornhoffer, Dupont, hoyda, Bridgeman, holmgren..Hell, I can remember them as well as the Rangers!...Those fucks still make my blood boil.....Occasionally, the Ranger fought back and won, but not enough!....THe Ranger-Bruins of the late 60's-early 70's,, Rangers-Islanders of the 80's and the Rangers-Devils of the 90's were all decent rivalries (and I would put them in that order) but paled in comparison to the Rangers-Flyers

Hospo


Wed Feb 10 2016 6:57 pm EST

Bob thank you my point exactly.

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 6:01 pm EST

Okay York... I yield, you win... I'll just hang on to the NJD because I'm in NorCal. And we'll forget where I grew up. Sorry for my error in judgement.

E


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:55 pm EST

The Rangers rivalries against Boston and Philadelphia were just as intense as any rivalry with the Devils. The one that was more intense was with the islanders. If the Devils never showed up, it would have made zero difference to the Rangers. That rivalry has never approached the intensity of the Islanders rivalry. Now, I enjoyed the Devils coming when I lived back there because I lived in NJ and went there all the time. Tickets were cheap and it was NHL hockey.

Bob


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:46 pm EST

moof you have strong calves ?

stevielegs


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:45 pm EST

E you're so right because that rivalry was so good in the 60's, oh wait there were no devils how did the Rangers survive? My mistake that rivalry was so integral in the 70's right? Damn my mistake again, they weren't around then either, well it had to be the 80's then right, oh damn they were Colorado Rockies who sucked and then became the Devils who sucked. How is that rivalry now? Kinda dead isn't it? So how did the Rangers ever exist and have exciting games without the Devils? If the Devils were so exciting as you say why do they have the two lowest watched cup appearances in history? Boston, Habs, Philly, Islanders the Rangers have plenty of rivalries, Washington, etc. But I guess you didn't know that since you brought up the Panthers, maybe out on the west coast you forgot about those other teams because you were too busy watching the Sharks. The only people who found the devils exciting was you and devils fans and judging by how many empty arena games they have there aren't even a ton of those.,By the by, go to Carolina and see how many Rangers fans are at those games, I remember when the Canes hadn't moved to Carolina yet and there were about 8000 people at the game and they estimated more than half to be Rangers fans. Go to most arenas when there Rangers are there and there are a ton of Rangers fans flooding the arena, and of course there were tons of fans going to a Rangers Devils game I was one of them and one reason cheaper tickets!

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:27 pm EST

You're right as usual. Thank you for the correction. If only the NJD didn't exist New York Rangers folklore would've been so much more fun. I know I'm alone in that belief. And by myself that explains the inundation of New York Rangers fans into the Rock and the Meadowlands before. And the way NYR fans long for those visits from the Carolina Hurricanes so they could get some good hockey. Because all they ever got is snooze fest hockey against the NJD. I'm glad I'm by myself on that one.

E


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:11 pm EST

E that was one series the devils also hated the lowest ratings for a cup appearance not once but twice but hey people lived to watch them right. As for the 94 cup final that was once and before they brought boring to hockey. You're the only rangers fan I have ever seen not call them boring.

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 4:01 pm EST

It's his base that sucks. When you are as big as Hayes your stride needs to be wide. Too often he straightens up and just dippsy-doodles the puck around on his stick. He's a turnover factory. He has to get wide and lower to the ice and use his body to shield players off of him. When he has the puck for as good as his stick handling is, players go right after him and take time and space because they know. I'm sure the coaches have been on this with him. I don't think it's an issue of strength as nowadays so much more of a premium is placed on lower body strength then upper body. That's why you see some players and wonder how the hell they are so skinny. Very lean on the top. Very strong core. And quads, glutes, calves are huge. I don't think it's a strength issue, it's a technique issue. I think he has some really bad habits. Watch him pull up all of the time and try to extend the play. I'm not doubting his vision because it's good. And his passing is very good. I just don't think he thinks the game fast enough for the game he wants to play. There are things about his skill set that I like. He can definitely improve into something more dynamic but right now I find myself wanting to strangle him because of bad habits. But it's hard to undo things you've been doing a long time. And in the NHL your bad habits are quickly isolated and exploited. Nothing I'm sure he doesn't know already. I look at his track much the way I did with Bryan Boyle. Boyle took time to get it all together. Each season was steady progress and he turned into an effective checker and decent face off guy. If nothing else he just charged forward on d-zone drills. I think Hayes has better raw skills but I wonder if he has the same work ethic. No one would've ever accused Boyle of being lazy. The guy had a well documented workout regimen. That's why I think he became a big voice in the locker room.

E


Wed Feb 10 2016 3:20 pm EST

Ranger47 - Agreed..I remember back in September hoping Hayes committed to bulking up and getting stronger..By the look of this year, he did nothing..He seems even weaker and looks to avoid contact for the most part.......

Hospo


Wed Feb 10 2016 3:07 pm EST

Hospo: I agree with you - AA is a more physical player. I get tired of seeing Hayes get knocked off his feet and he doesn't use his size to his advantage. Looks to me like he could use a trainer to build him up but not sure he has the willingness or dedication to do so. Seems like he's been able to use his puck handling skills to gain success through college without committing to a program to get stronger and more physical. I think it will be when he addresses that issue that he could become a really good player. Otherwise, IMHO, he'll continue to be what you see now.

Ranger47


Wed Feb 10 2016 2:20 pm EST

Regarding Marty Brodeur, his wins are over stated. How many wins did he get in OT and the shootouts. The old time goalies had to settle for a tie and did not have the same opportunities for wins as Brodeur.

Stemmer21


Wed Feb 10 2016 1:59 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1m1 minute ago Note: Lefty D Christian Ehrhoff, 33, on waivers. $480,000 in cap hit. Depending on McD status, wonder if #NYR take a shot? Or not right fit?

puckyou


Wed Feb 10 2016 1:44 pm EST

Ranger47 - Agree and disagree on the Hayes-AA comp...I agree that Hayes should eventually be playing with at least one scoring winger to take advantage of his god givenpassing ability..It's why we need one more forward for the top 3 lines....However, it won;t matter until Hayes learns to play a more team friendly less-selfish offensive game.....AA on the other hand is less talented than Hayes but a harder worker and more straight forward type that can play with anybody and any type of line......

Hospo


Wed Feb 10 2016 1:39 pm EST

I have to believe with McD getting a concussion there is no way you can trade Yandle now - even if he walks after this year. That may not be so terrible since the compensation he (or a top 6 forward we might get in a trade for him now) will still be there to get a some form of a "replacement part" next year, be it a D or forward. The concussion timing sucks and, IMHO, ties our hands on any possible Yandle trade since there is no other top 2 left side Ds in our system yet. Only if you can bundle Yandle and someone else (Nash? unlikely) for a top 2 left D and forward would you consider a Yandle trade. Not happening IMHO.

Ranger47


Wed Feb 10 2016 1:32 pm EST

RF4L: Hayes will probably be similar to AA in terms of peaking on another team when he's given 2 finisher wings he can feed passes to. Not enough talent on this Ranger team for that to happen, especially with Step and Brass on the top 2 lines.....

Ranger47


Wed Feb 10 2016 12:14 pm EST

RF4L - Yeah, you're right. more hate and bitching towards Simmonds..York - You're right too, I forgot about Avery

Hospo


Wed Feb 10 2016 12:05 pm EST

Sure York, 1994 ECF. NHL Channel top playoff series number-3 ranked series of all time. And clearly they've been boring for the most Part? Sure... I guess our rivalry with the Florida Panthers made for much better hockey. You may not appreciate it but most NYR circle the calendar.

E


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:34 am EST

Hospo: Who's whining and moaning? I'd take either because you need those type of players because so many exist in the league on other teams.

RF4L


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:31 am EST

Hospo we had Avery too

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:01 am EST

Some of you people can whine and moan about guys like Simmonds and Neil, but I would take both at the drop of the hat..Love to see them in a Ranger sweater..Be great to have a player that the fans and players of other teams hate and worry about..The Rangers have freaking choirboys up and down the entire Starting roster..The last one we had was that numbskull Hollweg.....But have to say, as he grows more confident, JT MILLER is showing some of his nasty side...love it....Will be a future Ranger captain..

Hospo


Wed Feb 10 2016 11:00 am EST

Vic- Spot on analysis on Uncle Daddy........

Fotiu22


Wed Feb 10 2016 10:06 am EST

We have Nash but pine for a dubinsji and aa who we traded him for disgusted.

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:17 am EST

jnyr: I knew when that trade went down over the summer AA was in for something big. The guy's got skill but has never been able to play on a team that can score like the Hawks. Is he a true number 1? Arguable but definitely the skillset of a 2nd line center.

RF4L


Wed Feb 10 2016 9:08 am EST

This just made my day....Patrick Kane and Artemi Panarin get all the hype, but where would the league’s most dangerous line be without Artem Anisimov? The big center, who had a four-point night in the Blackhawks’ 5–1 victory over the Stars on Saturday night, has been the glue for the unit, providing a physical presence and defensive conscience that’s helped make the trio so effective.

jnyr


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:37 am EST

As for Uncle Daddy.......I want to be fair in my assessment of him and his career. I will not deny that I hated the guy.....immensely. But, if I'm going to be honest with myself I have to admit that he was a great goaltender. My issue with the way he is treated is that he is treated like royalty because of the numbers "he" produced that were largely achieved because of the team he was playing on. On most nights MARTY didn't see a lot of shots and when he did they were mostly low quality in a nature. The Devils were masters at keeping teams to the outside and denying rebounds. It used to kill me watching RICHTER get hung out to dry every night by his teammates when he would face Breakaway after Odd Man Rush after Breakaway........all game long. MARTY would get all of the accolades while he could almost take a nap during most games. But MARTY also made the great saves that he had to make, and he was at his best in the playoffs when they needed him most. Was he a great goaltender???? YES. Was he as good has his numbers made him out to be??? NO. I would put him in the top 10 all time but not at the top of the list.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:29 am EST

I'm not going to join in on the SIMMONDS bashing. He is a hell of a hockey player and I'd love to have him on the Rangers. It sucks that he is a Flyer as he is one of their most effective and consistent players. But, I'm sure we will see him in a Ranger uniform when he is 37.

Vic


Wed Feb 10 2016 8:24 am EST

WIOSA: His wife's sister moved to NJ to help out with her sister and the kids, bringing along with her, her own brood. They may have even moved in - not sure. Shortly thereafter, the marriage was over and Brodeur moved in with his sister-in-law. My God, where is the man's integrity. Your wife's sister? Really? Disgusting. It, of course, has little to do with his accomplishments on the ice, but all that love and adoration that extends right thru to the media?

RF4L


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:25 am EST

FATSO

stevielegs


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:21 am EST

WIOSA - that's why he is "affectionately" called Uncle Daddy!

RF73


Wed Feb 10 2016 7:16 am EST

simmonds is like neil....but he gets away with more...guess why......and if anyone goes after him, guess what card he'll play......

stevielegs


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:38 am EST

Not too sure exactly what Martin did off ice, from the remarks I gather he left his wife to marry his SIL, oh well, some weird stuff going on in the world. As long as he wasnt raping or beating someone I feel it's not my business. As for onice, I agree with York, that 90s devil team was boooooorrrrrrring. Did they play the NZT better than any team Ive ever seen? Yeah. It's like watching a pitchers duel ALL SEASON LONG. zzzzzzz

WIOSA


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:19 am EST

And I'm not sure what E is talking about broduer and the devils made for some of the most boring hockey in my life. They cured insomnia.

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 5:18 am EST

I only watch devils games if they are playing a team that has someone I like to watch. Last night I watched 75% of the game with no sound because I would have puked had they left it on. Broduer was a product of the system and the times. He never produced as well outside said system IMO. Easy to be great when your team only has you facing 18 shots a night. As for integrity and mkrals he has none. Had Avery done to talbot what he did to broduer no rule would ha e been instated. He has no class and he's always been a whiny pos I just wish they lost last night.

York18


Wed Feb 10 2016 12:23 am EST

What's history is history. I'm grateful to Broduer. Made for some of the best hockey I've seen in my life. He is one of the best to ever play the game. Outside the rink he has some "odd" practices but I don't care too much about that. I enjoyed the wars and I'm glad he's gone. Good hockey is all he ever gave me win or lose.cant have a rivalry without the villain.

E


Tue Feb 9 2016 11:05 pm EST

Can't wait until some nob places and Uncle Daddy sticker on that statue.

Bob


Tue Feb 9 2016 10:47 pm EST

That Uncle Daddy lovefest is sickening. Who was out there on the ice with him? His wife? Her sister? His kids? His nieces and nephews? Where is this man's integrity? I'd be ashamed to show my face. Your marriage is flawed and you find solace in another person's arms. Is that okay? Well arguable. But in your spouse's sibling's arms when there are children on both sides? How despicable

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 10:01 pm EST

Simmonds is an asshole punk phuck. Not a dirty hockey player. LOLOL. He is one of those guys who straddles the line between overt and covert dirty and that's in large part because he's big and strong and has skill and totally gets how to work that line. He does fool some, obviously, including the NHL but that's akin to negotiating with Glen Sather when it comes to ensuring in any trade he gives up draft picks.

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:06 pm EST

Hospo, Hospo, Hospo,,,, your 2:00 post confirms the fears are a turn in... Stevie, why go for the doors when you can have Carol Marol behind any of the curtains?? I still don't know what the limitations of Staal & Girardi's nmc or ntc are, but if they both can be traded after the end of this season, we do it! If they both can be moved, perhaps we need not trade Stepan... If both can be moved, we can sign YANKLE.. TBC...

mf


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:06 pm EST

Hospo, Hospo, Hospo,,,, your 2:00 post confirms the fears are a turn in... Stevie, why go for the doors when you can have Carol Marol behind any of the curtains?? I still don't know what the limitations of Staal & Girardi's nmc or ntc are, but if they both can be traded after the end of this season, we do it! If they both can be moved, perhaps we need not trade Stepan... If both can be moved, we can sign YANKLE.. TBC...

mf


Tue Feb 9 2016 6:59 pm EST

WIOSA, I think the killer in him is still there just hiding he has played that way his entire career. He's just waiting, he was the undertaker and came here and took on the leagues number one heavyweight who even gave him kudos after the fight. He has a lot of pride and believes in sticking up for his team, I'd be shocked if he did nothing when they play the flyers again just not his style

York18


Tue Feb 9 2016 6:44 pm EST

E - Totally agree on the Simmonds stick throwing tantrum, that is what he should have been suspended for..........STEVIE - MF better step his game up! ;)...Wait to hear something from Boomer like during the last few years..

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 6:39 pm EST

Yorkie..I know there are some that feel AV does NOT discourage fisticuffs (like that word?)...i tend to disagree. I remember when Dylan first played last year (or the year before?) he showed why he was called "the Undertaker" and was quickly benched. The next time he came up, he was reduced to "the Crippler", and was still benched...Given another chance he had become "the Hurting" Now I fear he has become "take two aspirin and call me in the morning". Time will tell I guess

WIOSA


Tue Feb 9 2016 6:13 pm EST

OJ just meant to sample a lock of Nicole's hair, not to saw her head off.

Bob


Tue Feb 9 2016 5:24 pm EST

Glass sending the message early, if I were simmonds I would be more concerned about the fact that McL is saying nothing which makes me think he will be looking for Simmonds at some point, or for someone to send a message.

York18


Tue Feb 9 2016 5:21 pm EST

So he threw a punch with no intentions of hurting him? McD got what he got, he played dirty, but to say he didn't try and hurt him is hilarious to say the least and jack the ripper didn't mean to kill anyone.

York18


Tue Feb 9 2016 5:03 pm EST

moof you have competition..."E3 on FEBRUARY 9, 2016 3:46 PM Nash, Stepan, and Haze for Stamkos and Hedman is what I heard. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/09/rangers-devils-in-review-23/#comment-2665680

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:59 pm EST

Nothing, apparently. Now I will admit that Sunday's game will be must see TV for me. Forget Simmonds. He went after the Rangers best player and put him out with a cheap shot. The NHL and it's officials decided this was fine and permissable. I want to see McIlrath and Glass go after Voracek and Giroux. Let's see the NHL react when the shoe is on the other foot.

Bob


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:58 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on FEBRUARY 9, 2016 1:54 PM Rangers’ power play will be a Salute to Sully. -

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:57 pm EST

HOSPO: but what did bother me greatly was the temper tantrum that Simmonds had throwing his stick etc... That never should've been accepted and I also cannot believe the way the refs shite the bed on handling the penalty box after. Just real amateur hour stuff. Sutherland (I think) is no junior ref. Just looked like he had issues all night

E


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:47 pm EST

Bob what do facts have to do with it?...

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:42 pm EST

Simmonds forgpt the part about that he was coming in late and high on McD. McD protected himself. Unless he was supposed to allow Summonds to wreck him with a high hit and not protect himself. Then he was suckered. Not fought, not roughed up. Suckered, at which point Simmonds accused him of diving and went back and forth with the Rangers bench about it. That's not dirty? He is full of crap.

Bob


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:37 pm EST

As a HOCKEY fan i understand the whole Simmonds / McDonagh's incident is part of the game's landscape.. Frustration spills over and things get out of control. But whats unacceptable is the League's response.

rangerlou


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:17 pm EST

prust claimed the same on stepan, and kid k on price, etc etc.....draw blood 4 minutes...concussion, break a leg,or neck.. probably 2 minutes...unless it's considered a head shot. by act of nhl congress ...if a nyr does it it's ok. done to a nyr not ok.....guess simmonds is nervous about Sunday .....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:16 pm EST

E - I do and I don't...The entire incident, both were dirty, both were at fault and McD should have been ready despite what Ranger announcers and beat guys say....But....SIMMONDS flat out lost his temper and you can bet at that instant he indeed wanted to hurt and destroy McD for high-checking him..And that';s exactly what he did...Yeah, it was temporary loss of thought but that's how it usually happens..and then you regret it later...

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:12 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/for-the-teams-paying-attention-analytics-continue-to-add-real-value-1.435505

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:06 pm EST

FWIW: Simmonds has never been suspended in his 575-game NHL career."I'm not a dirty player," he said. "I may play physical. I take the body and fight the occasional time, but in no means am I a dirty player trying to run around and injury players. That's never been my MO and never will be." "My intentions are never to go out there and intentionally injure somebody," Simmonds added. "That's not what I want , but sometimes things happen in a game, and we can't take them back now." Simmonds said the fact the league didn't suspend him backed up his claim. "I'm protecting myself. Guy comes in and cross-checks you in the head, I don't know what you expect to get back, to be honest. I had no intentions of hurting him and I feel bad about that." -Philly.com...............I kinda agree with him.

E


Tue Feb 9 2016 3:56 pm EST

moof door #3, no 1, no 2, Monty....i'll take all 3....or Heinz 57...

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 3:36 pm EST

MF - that would be one hell of a harmonic convergence tradewise

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 3:33 pm EST

Mood point. Girardi/Marc Staal/Capt MD all have NT and will not be traded this season. Rangers in no form a shape will be asking any one of them to waive the NT for obvious reasons. Main reason is that would signal to the locker-room, that team management sees Rangers Stanley Cup run is not possible and anyone else could be next. No happening. Everyone in the organization still believe that they are Stanley Cup contenders. That being said, if Rangers get swept in the first round by say, Isles, then all bets are off. If we have a complete playoff failure, then Gordon can pull any trade he wants and ask anyone on the team to waive the NT.

andrei


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:57 pm EST

Trade: if we can orchestrate a 3 team trade where Harmonic goes to Edmonton, Girardi to the isles, and we get back a top six talent, that could be the beginning framework for a trade....

mf


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:42 pm EST

"Tanner Glass acknowledged today that, yeah, of course, he’s thinking about the chance to play the Flyers on Sunday and, specifically, Wayne Simmonds, whose blow to McDonagh’s jaw caused the captain’s concussion. Glass said that Simmonds has to know what’s coming."

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:41 pm EST

Glass quoted today about pending retribution for Simmonds. Interesting...

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:36 pm EST

fishboy slow you blow......wtfu....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:00 pm EST

Obviously, the Rangers have to wait to trade until they know what the hell is going on with NASH and MCD.....Can't trade a d-man if MCD is hurt and would it be worth getting another forward if NASH is Iffy? If both are serisouly hurt, then you say faggedaboutit and deal anybody...However,Likely, both will be healthy and that's when it gets tough for GORTON..We all have different views..What does he do? keep or trade Yandle? Trade Yandel for futures or current help? Try and trade another D-man? What type of forward to aquire? a Scorer or an energy guy with some skill? Who does he deal from the current forward roster? Hopefully, very interesting..

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:56 pm EST

McD at practice today, in civvies, but saying hello to his mates. Gotta figure, therefore, it's not a serious concussion (and I say that understanding that concussion symptoms can drag on).

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:52 pm EST

E - You could be right.. But let's not get AHEAD of ourselves with Mcd's concussion..On the positive side,.The guy could be back within a week with his body well rested..and if all the guys playing, play well..everybody's value goes up for the trade market..Gotta hope that's how it works out,,,And when the Rangers play the Flyers on Sunday, Macilrath, Glass or somebody goes after Simmonds or anybody else and inflicts serious pain.

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:50 pm EST

the playoffs will be here before u know it!....Yeah, and that's where he can really get some rest.

RF73


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:42 pm EST

Left wondering if this trade starts to open the pipes and get player movement going as it did last season about this time. The McD thing throws a lot into the Yandle consideration but that would seriously suck. As I see it Phaneuf and Dustin Buf are not exactly hurting Yandle's value on the market. I just hate the thought of McD being out long term and it just making it impossible to move Yandle as the deadline passes and lose him for nothing after the playoffs. So, Simmonds can take pleasure in knowing that while he did knock McD down he also wrecked the New York Rangers depth which will hurt for seasons to come.

E


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:28 pm EST

RF4L - not me..Ottawa pretty much gave up stuff that had fallen along the wayside and been replaced by younger players....And got back the best player in the deal by far....I think, away form Toronto, and behind Karlsson, PHANEUFF is gonna rock on a better Otttawa team

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:28 pm EST

I see that Ricky Nash is still out with a contusion of the leg. Rest up Rickster.....the playoffs will be here before u know it!

TradeStar28


Tue Feb 9 2016 1:24 pm EST

maybe the Islanders will take Dan Girardi

TradeStar28


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:30 pm EST

Hospo: IMO, that's a questionable move by Ottawa. They lack top 6 skill and right now aren't in the POs. I can only assume ownership is pressuring Murray to do something to try to make the POs.

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:27 pm EST

Yeah, nice work by Toronto but those are the kinda of deals you can make when you suck and have absolutley zero going for you and can't be worse.They need to restart with a goalie and Stamkos if he's ever abvailble....From a Ranger and Senator standpoint, PHANEUF makes OTTAWA a better team and a harder team to play..good move by them also.

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:24 pm EST

Now Toronto can just give a blank check to Stamkos and let him fill in the numbers.....

ges999


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:19 pm EST

Nice work by Toronto. Goes to show that NMC's are poison and GM's should not be handing them out like candy like Glen Sather has. I contend that one of the reasons for this is his refusal to be proactive, and letting the negotiations get far too close to free agency resulting in his having to overpay. I hope the new guy is not so foolish.

Bob


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:14 pm EST

What is interesting is that Phaneuf went to Ottawa, one of the Leafs biggest and at times, most bitter rival. Just goes to show at times it's irrelevant who your trading partner is - you gotta move someone out (or acquire a specific player) you do what you gotta do.

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:10 pm EST

FYI - that Phaneuf deal serves 3 purposes for the Leafs: 1) Continues with the cultural change that started late last season - the 2 biggest contracts handed out pre-Shanahan - Kessel and Phaneuf - are now gone. 2) Freeing up salary - Phaneuf will make $7,000,000/year until 20/21 3) Adds more picks (a 2nd) and prospects (that Swedish kid who I know nothing about). A very good deal for the Leafs IMO, given the full rebuild they are creating embracing.

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:07 pm EST

Melville FRED - Just hang in for awhile...Maybe they make that needed trade for help up front by the deadline...However, I'm not to optimistic with Gorton.............Holy crap on the PHANEUF deal! Karlsson and Phaneuf is a nice combo to have..

Hospo


Tue Feb 9 2016 11:31 am EST

so you can trade your capt who is a d man....amazing......

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 11:30 am EST

Hehe was checking the trade tracker from last year on what deals was made at last years deadline and all of a sudden I saw the Phaneuf trade, thought some hacker at tsn had some fun, but then I saw the date and figured it out...

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 11:26 am EST

Along with Phaneuf, the Leafs send forwards Matt Frattin, Casey Bailey, Ryan Rupert and defence prospect Cody Donaghey to the Senators in exchange for defenceman Jared Cowen, forwards Colin Greening, Milan Michalek and Tobias Lindberg as well as Ottawa’s second-round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft. No salary will be retained by either team over the trade’s entirety.

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 11:25 am EST

OTT/TOR big deal around Dion - 9 player deal. after Buff yesterday makes Yandle/MCD situation very interesting, don't want to see him go but he might have to unless somehow we can get someone to take Staal or Girardi now or over the summer and not lose him for nothing. 3 in a row for first time in months, and will be tough next 3 to see how Rangers fare and what they do next.

jim9k26


Tue Feb 9 2016 11:22 am EST

#BREAKING: The Ottawa Senators have acquired defenceman Dion Phaneuf from the Toronto Maple Leafs in a nine player trade.

DREW


Tue Feb 9 2016 10:55 am EST

For some reason the comeback win in Philly has revived me as an optimist for this season....not for a CUP but that we'll make the playoffs.

MelvilleFred


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:56 am EST

rf they can get hall plus more for nash and mcd.....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:53 am EST

Wild/york: Yeah, I'm going out on a limb here but here's my prediction: When McD comes back McI will be taking his customary seat in the pressbox. Girardi, in other words, has a free AV pass.

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:52 am EST

stevie: Edmonton wants McD? Taylor Hall had better be coming back!

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:34 am EST

http://edraft.com/nhl/box-score/70303/

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:32 am EST

York: To me Giradi looks like he is trying to do more than he should in order to get his game back...like he is trying to make up for a poor half a season on a single shift. IMHO a day or two off might be a good call. Once McD is back, perhaps giving him a couple games off, and even a practice off in-between. Sometimes, especially for vets that can be enough to get them a reset of sorts and back to just playing instead of thinking.

Wildcard


Tue Feb 9 2016 9:01 am EST

so since they won without nash and capt mcd , does that make them trade-able ?.....what would the oilers give for those 2 ? .....they need some vet presence.....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 8:52 am EST

Good for the Rangers getting their 5 on 5 game back to where it should be. Too bad the specialty teams suck! Up next Pittsburgh, who are playing very well since acquring Hagelin. The King better be ready to stand on his head!

RF4L


Tue Feb 9 2016 8:05 am EST

Wiosa- I don't believe that there is "one" problem with our PP, there are a few weak areas that we have that continues to make it problematic. But fundamentally, we the biggest flaw is that the mix we have of players to use on it just shoots the puck from the wrong side. Fundamentally, 3 players move the puck around on the PP outside of the PK box. If you set up on the right side, you want a left shooting forward behind the net, a left shooting forward along the right boards and a RIGHT shooting PPQB on the right point. You can survive with a left shooting PPQB, while its not optimal, but in that case you must have a very strong shooting option on the left side that naturally must shoot from the right. You could have like Brass-Zucc-Boyle there. Boyle is the first RH PPQB we have had in ages. But he just haven't been very effective there. If you want to utilize a left shooting PPQB, you should be able to set up the PP from the left side. And you need two right shooting forwards that can set it up. Since Yandle and McD have been our best PPQBs, Stepan has been given a big role. And he is just dreadful on the PP. Just look around the league how 99% of the forwards on PP units handle the puck, and then look at how Stepan handles it. Its nightmarish. Always taking time with it. Always delivering so-so passes. And he is the ONLY right shooting forward we have to use on the PP. That is the big fundamental problem we have with the PP. I think we have the players to set it up on the right side (Zucc and Brass mainly), but not the players who can finish it from the left side (ie right shooting players). We have finishers on the right side, but no playmakers on the right side (ie right shooting Ds). This is not rocket-science. Look at the worst 50 UFA signings the last decade, I bet 75% of them is team's realizing the need in this area that then ends up overpaying for a player that is done but that would have made sense on their PP -- because they are desperate to find a player for a certain role. It wasn't long ago like Vancouver gave a big contract to like Mikael Samuelsson who was pretty awful at the time, only to get a right handed shot. Then there are other problems with it. Mental, the confidence is just not there. Kreider is pretty useless in his role and Nash is not a good PP player. It looks so easy when Philly put two players on the net and a Gotisberres shot went in. But most of the time you just end up with a ton of traffic infront of the net if you do that and shots won't get through. Its definitely much more effective when you can put the puck on the net and then overload after the puck goes there, sooooooooooo much harder to defend against. Watch BOSTON's PP for example. Establish in the zone, put the puck on the net and then have FOUR players that just goes to the net from all angles. Why can't we do that? Its the same thing again, (i) we struggle to set up since we loose time with players shooting from the wrong sides in core positions, and (ii) we don't have a good option for a right shooting player.

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 7:13 am EST

“That’s why (Zuccarello) is my favorite player,” Klein said. “You know Zucc is going to find you. I tried to get lost behind the net, and as soon as I saw him make that turn, I just set up because he makes those plays. He put it right in my wheelhouse.” 13) Klein said the thumb – which was injured before it was broken against the Devils last Tuesday — doesn’t restrict him, and that he thought he got plenty on the shot, despite it. “He’s a tough player, no question,” said Henrik Lundqvist. “You get to know him over the years and he always plays hard. It doesn’t matter what he goes through, he’s out there battling. Lot of credit to him, being out there fighting for our team right now.” -

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 6:30 am EST

just like the debbie coach told his pk to play like it's 5-5 so too should the nyr on the pk and pp....trying a confused system has shown mostly bad results...and the coach thinks it's funny...i think he is clueless on the pp and the pk, and i'm not laughing trying to calculate how many points the nyr have left on the table thanks to the coach and his crew.....he can laugh out the door with that attitude .....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 6:05 am EST

OLA, I thought Yandle has been great the past two games. He flourishes with more time. That said, I have liked Yandle all season, I see steady advances in his adaptation of AVs system. Just the PP, does not seem to be a system anyone adjusts to that well. MSL, Yandle, they both struggle with it. Have to admit I dont quite understand it either,,,why dont we have someone in front of the net for rebounds, tip ins? Confuses me.

WIOSA


Tue Feb 9 2016 5:01 am EST

Girardi last night, how far has he fallen? He can't even get basic hockey correct, he skated back on that goal he was down the middle and he did exactly what you're not supposed to do. He skated towards the player with the puck, why, the goalie gets the shooter he took away his own angle which allowed the pass to be made for the goal. He didn't take out the open man, or close the lane absolutely stupid play I'm really getting tired of this guy and his constant gaffs. This is hockey 101 let the goalie take the shooter on the bad angle cover the other man and eat the passing lane up. He left his feet on the bad angle sliding head first stupid hockey......................Miller just continues to be a beast he has really found his game, now if Kreider wakes up, and hayes must have just been lazy again and didn't want to play so he got himself a 10 min misconduct this kid is a real piece of work. He's really getting on me, both he and Kreider can't have the season end fast enough

York18


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:34 am EST

2) Suddenly this Rangers team – not perfect, and with two gigantic craters when not at 5-on-5 – is getting in on pucks, finishing checks, and, most of all, using its speed. Finally. The reason the Rangers had five power plays and the Devils none was the pressure the Rangers applied, and the chasing the Devils were forced to do. scrum in corner3) The Rangers stayed out of the box … but it’s fairly amazing that a set of NHL referees did not “manage the game” and invent some “make-ups” for the Devils late. Really, though, the Rangers’ play was the cause for the disparity in penalties. 4) So AV came into the pressroom smiling. … “Ask me about the power play,” he started. About the short-handed goal that not only ruined the shutout but forced the Rangers to chew finger nails right to the buzzer, unnecessarily, he said, “I told the two defensemen there at the end to be on the safe side. … stuff happens. … The same guy that permitted us to go to overtime in Philly by making a great play (Keith Yandle) just made a low-percentage pass there. It ended up biting us, but be’s been playing extremely well.” Vigneault closed with, “Our PK was real good tonight. Anybody want to talk about that.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/09/rangers-devils-in-review-23/#sthash.LUgkPIJU.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:28 am EST

Forward Rick Nash missed his sixth straight game with a bone bruise in his left leg, and is unlikely to play Wednesday night against the Penguins in Pittsburgh. The good news is that after three days off the ice, Nash came to the rink on Monday and said he was “feeling a lot better,” according to Vigneault. Yet the coach said they “might give him another day or two more” of rest and healing, as the injury hasn’t progressed as fast as they thought it would. Backup goalie Antti Raanta has played in one game since Dec. 30, as No. 1 netminder Henrik Lundqvist started his 22nd game of the previous 23 on Monday night. Yet Vigneault said that trend might change, as the club still has six back-to-back games remaining on the schedule. Vigneault said Raanta “will play about a game a week” from here on out.

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:17 am EST

think it's funny coach?....."... what is now three straight Rangers victories for the first time since before Thanksgiving. When that was brought up to a rather jovial coach Alain Vigneault after the game, he had a good laugh. “There’s a positive,” he kidded. Vigneault opened his postgame press conference with a big smile on his face, and before a single question could be asked, he said, “Come on, ask me about the power play …”

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 4:11 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/02/09/why-losing-mcdonagh-makes-trade-market-treacherous-for-rangers/

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 3:59 am EST

McD for Hall ;)

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 3:59 am EST

Bob- Yeah you are right, don't think he is happy with how he handled that situation himself lol. ;) Well well, three in a row is great anyway.

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 3:53 am EST

Nyr looked good without their captain.... Let's make a deal Monty ....door #1

stevielegs


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:45 am EST

OLA--Yandle played a very good game. But I don't think it is too much to ask for a guy in the league for 9 years to not make such an utterly stupid play in the last 2:00 of a 2 goal game. Throw the puck down the boards. Throwing it across the blue line is the absolute last thing you do.

Bob


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:42 am EST

When is Raanta going to play?

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:41 am EST

I think Yandle had a great game otherwise BTW. It's so refreshing to play WITH the puck rather than without it. Forecheckers have been eating up our other Ds a lot this year, Yandle beats them. If we loose both Boyle and Yandle this year and move forward with Girardi, Staal, Klein and co we are going to get into a lot of trouble next season...

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 2:37 am EST

Crappy PP put Yandle in a spot where he had no other option than to pass Hank, although it's hard to claim that what he did was better than to just name the puck against the board or something. But haters gonna hate, sucked against Philly to right? Lol

Ola


Tue Feb 9 2016 12:32 am EST

They skated, forechecked and threw the puck around like they have not all season tonight. If they did not turn into retards the last 2 minutes led by Keith "blind pass" Yandle it would have been a very routine win.

Bob


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:49 pm EST

And while most of the team played the body (except the most usual suspect) and physically dominated the Devils unlike last week, what the hell has happened to Mark Staal's physical game? Never mean, but now he plays like a poke checking Per Djoos and Willie Hiber

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:41 pm EST

E - Agree on Glass.Skates and hits..will fight anybody for his team..and his pretty darn good at it...But just like the rest of the rangers, there is no meaness factor or anger to him, he's more of a gentleman fighter just doing his job..Maybe that's why he isn't liked more.........Speaking of Glass, good to see the 4th line play some more energized hockey tonight...Paile has been mediocre at best and Moore just has not played well all year after the Stool debacle...It could be improved...Ditto with the third line, Linberger continues to struggle big time....adding very little..Probably be back in the AHL if we had somebody ready..Him and Hayes just basically take up space..Even when NASH comes back, this line won't change with Fast.need somebody with jam, attitude and skill added to this team..could make a huge difference

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:40 pm EST

Yandle is a high risk player, which is fine when you have a solid PP unit on the ice with you - which ahem, we dont. I will fault him for the poorly timed turnover leading to the shortie. I will NOT fault im alone for the rest of the PP spent on Hanks door. WTF???? I had to check the box again just to make sure it was in fact OUR pp.

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:24 pm EST

A well played 57 mins by the Rangers....Good team hockey for the most part...Beat a team they should beat all the time, even without Nash and Mcd..At least the effort was there for most of the game..JT and Brass playing off each other well...But Yandle at the end...Yikes!.....Next three games should be fun....a awakening Pens team with Crosby playing insane, the Kings, and then Simmoind back at the Garden

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:13 pm EST

The pp and pk will continue to hurt , causing what this season is ... Afj...60 minute games are nonexistent ...great coaching staff... Bad habits are the norm....

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:51 pm EST

Keith Yandle plays a good game, then nearly gifts 2 goals to the Devils on the last 3 minutes. Ugh.

Bob


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:39 pm EST

This team is unenjoyable ... Even when they win...screw hank out of a shutout ...pp is pure poop...

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:37 pm EST

E I agree 100% one what's more intimidating about Wrath and it is his ability to just destroy someone with a hit. Like I said in the AHL players would avoid his side of the ice if they could. I disagree about suicides, I ever saw a coach use one as a fitness drill, I never used it as a fitness drill, it was used as punishment. I was used to kill the players by skating them till they were sick so that they would listen and knew who was in charge. If your players are on the ice and need fitness and cardio then said coach hasn't done their job off the ice, on ice is for skills.

York18


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:35 pm EST

This is so bad, it looks like a devils pp,,,,

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:35 pm EST

Pp is piss poor

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:33 pm EST

Our PP and PK are so pathetic, it's embarrassing

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:32 pm EST

Jayzus...a shortie..

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:54 pm EST

Strong game through 2 periods. PAILLE has been improving since he arrived. I knew it would take him a few weeks to get his timing and nhl legs back. He seems to be finding his game now.

Vic


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:42 pm EST

JFC, agreed. Hank was on his game, he was tested late this period. FWIW, I wish Stepan wasnt on the PP, he really is not effective on it. Not that any of the rest of the team is.

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:21 pm EST

Rangers are feeling it tonight....sharp, quick passing and great speed.

JFC31


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:17 pm EST

I rest my case...2 Devils without sticks and we lose the puck...

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:16 pm EST

I hate when we go on the PP, we really suck at it.

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:12 pm EST

And keep in mind that the NYR dominated the play early on against NJ last game. That team knows how to win tight games. Gotta get 3-goals in this game. I don't believe they can come back with their putrid offense.

E


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:09 pm EST

Klein!! Of course Zuuuuccc...love to see him in on a score, he works so hard.

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:09 pm EST

Klein is fine just in time

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:45 pm EST

..Rangers controlling the game, and the sog, and the puck possession, just not the scoreboard.

WIOSA


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:42 pm EST

Love the physical play of the Rangers. One of their best periods of the year.

MelvilleFred


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:40 pm EST

IFC...the Rangers ARE flying! But the de son are probably playing rope a dope. And as usual, Rangers have nothing to show for the dominant period.

Shaggy


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:37 pm EST

Are the Rangers that fast or,the Devils that flat/slow?

JFC31


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:25 pm EST

Veenyo following in the footsteps of metrosexual renney .. Lip service on toughness , and tells the press to call the NHL.. Let him call or his gm....he thinks the officials are going to take care of it... Naive ...

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:15 pm EST

RF: as I've grown older and see the game different then I did as a kid. And I was a pretty petulant actor out there. Not the most fun to play against. And I've played in some competitive leagues and tourneys I've learned to question the rationale behind certain things that are engrained into the game. Things that exist just because they do. For example, suicides. There is little to gain on the drill other then to run players into the ice in the name of building their fitness. Yet, a coach who I know who is involved in ploy's, had a background in kinesiology taught me how it actually does more harm then good. Fatigue is when you lose structure. So teaching players to bag skate with stick and puck thru cones was actually far more beneficial. It required you to use the actual muscles that are required during the game. Instead of bringing to exhaustion and puke he trained explosive skating and sudden stop and recover. Training the body to oxygenate itself and heart rate recover quickly. I looked at him kinda speculative but I watched him coach and he was right. My point is, some of the institutions bedded into the game by tradition are in fact, not what we saw them to be nearly to the level that thought because no one challenged the status quo. Little by little we are seeing the institutions challenged as the game ugh... refines. However, let me add this with the caveat that as much as we are sometimes being proven wrong to me tradition isn't just old habit. Many of the traditions that are evaporating on the ice are ones that I love and don't wanna see taken out of the game. But as much as the visor is here to stay, as was helmets before it the game is changing in ways I don't think are necessarily positive but nonetheless happening.

E


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:13 pm EST

BTW, FWIW I personally liked the fact that AV ripped the NHL for their gutless no suspension and screwed up officiating on the SImmonds goonery. I wish he'd show more of that angry passion. He is so laid back and even-keeled. Gee, doesn't that describe the Rangers? Aahhh, yeah. Coincidence? I think not.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:12 pm EST

Lots of bodies flying around (big hits) both ways to start this game. Nice to see.

hipcheck


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:01 pm EST

E: Because AV doesn't support overt acts of retialation, therefore we rarely seen him use those fists and respond to stuff like we saw with Simmonds. Remember the Tortorella days? Remember when he dressed not one but THREE guys who were noted for their aggressiveness and willingness to fight. Remember those teams? How often when those were dressed did we see what happened to McD?

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:58 pm EST

E: Kreider?? Oh yeah, for sure. I've seen him pull up when there are big nasty d-men in his face. I've seen him turn away when challenged in scrums. Miller? No but I've not seen him play enough. Lindberg? Haven't seen him play enough. Again, its more an attitude than continual overt displays of aggression/non-aggression. I ask anyone who's played competitive hockey - did you and your team play with more bravado when you had a guy like McI in your lineup? If you didn't then you and your team are/were exceptions to the rule without a doubt (or you have selective memory - lol).

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:51 pm EST

...and one last thing. Anyone watch Tanner Glass fights? He can seriously throw 'em. No joke. He is a willing a tenacious fighter. And there isn't anyone in the NHL that he'll back down from. Why doesn't most recognize his intimidation factor? A wallflower this guy is not.

E


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:47 pm EST

RF: I'm not disagreeing with you right now on your point but have you ever seen Chris Krieder, Miller intimidated? Have you ever seen MZA back down? Or Lindberg this season for that matter? Some guys are soft, some aren't. I'd venture to say that the rest of this happy gang have been thru some serious battles. Intimidation I don't think is an issue. I don't see an Alex Semin in this lineup. Initiative is my issue. I'm not saying that toughness doesn't have an affect. It does. It glues and it binds the bench. It adds a little bit more swagger. I get that. I am not arguing against it. Deterrent? Not a chance. I'm so much more concerned with McIlrath straight checking me into the blue seats then I am his ability to pound my face in. I can refuse a fight all day. I can turtle. What I cannot do is take my eyes off of him because he has a huge form of intimidation. He hits like a locomotive. That to me is 20X more intimidating than anything else. Everyone can remember the fight where he planted Schenn to the glass and roughed him up. But was scary was Nick Schultz had to go to the corner because his goalie made a terrible pass and with Schultz showing the numbers McIlrath came in and put him down. Yeah, Schenn stood in for his teammate. But Philly had a top-4 defenseman crawling around the ice looking for his soul. THAT was the message.

E


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:43 pm EST

at least 1 coach at msg got the message today....YOU'RE FIRED !

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:17 pm EST

rf4l what does it say since the coach has ignored that for 50 games ? guess he doesn't believe in it.....

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:15 pm EST

Honestly guys, I think we are all preachers in the same damn choir! O0hh..maybe Glass will check a Devil tonight...???.................................................... _ARC - NICK TARNASKY!! Love it...Hell, the guy has 11 goals and down there..How many has Hayes had in the last 30 games? the same amount of purproseful hits......ONE

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 5:56 pm EST

I guarantee you that if you, as a fan, get excited when you see McI 1) pound the snot out of some alleged tough guy on the opposition 2) knock some punk down who's trying to harass the King 3) slide on over and challenge anyone who's attempting to give another Ranger a tough time 4) and so on, so do his teammates. The stupid coach may not be so enamoured but the players are. Guaranteed. If he can keep up (and he can) then that alone is reason to play him regularly.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 5:41 pm EST

I honestly don't get how some don't see this; yeah, McI dressed doesn't automatically mean the stuff that Simmonds did to McD doesn't happen. What it does do is give the Rangers collectively a little more courage and spirit and makes the other team think a little overall when it comes to acts of intimidation. Both are great and important things, especially over an extended period of time.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 5:28 pm EST

so who did the nyr target on the cryers ?...no one, they needed the 2 points.....what game don't they need the 2 points?.....what guy have the nyr ever targeted?.....

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 5:28 pm EST

Here's a thought- If AV is so irate over the lack of descipline DO SOMERHING ABOUT IT!!!!! You have the power coach; bring up Nick Tarnasky with the expressed intent of taking Giroux friggin head off with the beautiful crosscheck right on the upper incisors. He's gonna get a major, and he will be suspended but I guarantee the rest of the league will take notice and think twice before they throw another elbow at Nashers head. I don't mind the hard play and the play between the whistles but it's the extra crap that WE seem to be on the receiving end of way more often than others that needs to be addressed.

_Arc


Mon Feb 8 2016 4:23 pm EST

Vanouver, AV's old team showed how this is done. Someone went after Daniel Sedin and they went after the top players of the opponent. The way to handle McD targeting would have been to target Giroux.

Bob


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:56 pm EST

WILD - We disagree..But it doesn't matter because he was thrown out of the game and i'm not talking baout the incident,...You use Big mac to go after somebody else, anybody else, later in the game,..at the time of his choosing...Maybe even knock them senseless with a sucker hit....at the least, after the McD incident, 75% of the FLyer players would have been watching out for him whenever he was on the ice instead of thinking all hockey

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:40 pm EST

Hospo: I have seem him turtle with "real" fighters, he may not turtle so directly, but he finds a way out of it every time. He LOVES to fight the Dubinski types of the NHL. In fact when the bigger guys are out there he plays cleaner...that is a reason to have a bigger guy when he is out there for sure...but I think he still does the same thing as the other day, than lets the linesman "force" him away.

Wildcard


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:38 pm EST

Yep, YANDLE got more expensive and LADD is most definitely on the block..Can't see them Signing both

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:36 pm EST

Christ WILDCARD, I didn't mean for that play..I meant for the rest of the game and not neccessarily just for SIMMONDS....for anybody on the Flyers....And My bet is Simmonds wouldn't turtle until he got clocked...Not the type

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:34 pm EST

Now I expect one of Staal or Giradi will be moved in the offseason. Not at the deadline I don't think....too much disruption...

Wildcard


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:32 pm EST

7.6 aav for Byfuglien....Yandle just got a little more expensive...Unless he REALLY wants to stay with the Rangers that is....and even with that he will be costly...

Wildcard


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:23 pm EST

Hospo: You say it would have been nice to have McIlrath around after McD took that shot...but that punk who hit him is one of those who will never drop the gloves if he isn't sure he can win the fight. No way no how he would do anything but turtle on a monster like McIlrath.

Wildcard


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:21 pm EST

vcp: That is so tired...so very tired. Every coach the Rangers have someone says will not allow toughness. Its old, tired and just not true. Yes AV doesn't go for stupid goon crap...but toughness? How does that jive with his supposed overly loving Glass? There is zero way both those silly complaints can be valid.

Wildcard


Mon Feb 8 2016 3:04 pm EST

Hospo - I know. That game may be telling on what this team's identity is. I know one game in February shouldn't define a season but it would show a lot how this team approaches that game.

DREW


Mon Feb 8 2016 2:55 pm EST

DREW - Will be interesting Sunday who AV dresses on D....Will he play Mcilrath if McD is healthy? Hell, we he play him even if he isn't? It should be a fun day on the wall if he doesn't!!

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 2:52 pm EST

VIC - Just reigning you in a little..;)..Besides, like I said, we totally agree....And while we don't agree on everything, I think we also agree on the need for a high energy aggravating player (preferably with some skill) as much as we need a scorer........Reading AV's thoughts on Kevin "1 in 30" Hayes on how he's sorry that he was so hard on the boy becasuse he's so sensitive...Sheesh, let the friggin baby grow some hair on balls, if he has any......And we are defientely not watching the same Hayes..Yes, he has improved, but far from good...But i guess that's how you have to speak in public about your sensitive pets...

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 2:50 pm EST

Vic- I was with the Mrs. and saw Danish Girl (no I didn't pick it), only made it back to catch the second half of the game. Watch that and you will agree with me, no doubt. (Sorry for not specify that from the get go) It just shows you what he is capable of when he gets a bigger role.

Ola


Mon Feb 8 2016 2:47 pm EST

Sunday - Valentine's Day! Flyers vs Rangers. Let's see how this team reacts. In the interim, I would really like the Rangers to win tonight. We'll worry about Wayne Simmonds soon enough. If it were me on the Rangers, I'd prefer be out there rather than suspended.

DREW


Mon Feb 8 2016 2:43 pm EST

Fuck AV he is livid, he doesn't allow for real toughness he deserves whatever he gets.

vcp1994


Mon Feb 8 2016 2:27 pm EST

HOSPO: Sorry, I wasn't intending to be condescending or arrogant. It was just my opinion based on my own experiences and my analysis of past history in the league. But, I never played hockey professionally. So again, it is just my opinion.

Vic


Mon Feb 8 2016 1:52 pm EST

VIC - oops, I didn't catch that correction! That means we TOTALLY agree....Still doesn't mean we are right and that others aren't about intimidation..

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 1:49 pm EST

VIC - I love your stuff but that's pretty condescending of you to assume that YOU know how intimidation works and doesnt't work and that the rest of us don't?...Even if I agree with you for the most part!..None of us are former NHL or even AHL players, our first hand knowledge is ZERO........Anyway................Personally, I don't agree that a Mcilrath type deters other NHL tough guys (and Simmonds is one) from doing what they do.. But I do agree with you that the willingness/ability to dole out punishment and retribution can and does deter teams (most players on it) from taking runs and being too dirty. ......And I totally agree with the following "But what you can't do is turn the other cheek. You have to send a message to the Flyers and every other team that they stand to be hurt as much or more if they cross the line. " Unfortuantely we only have one player and maybe JT MIller willing to do that, and the main guy, rarely plays....We need another....preferably one that can also play well...Screw this "high moral fiber " the Rangers are always after, we need a scumbag! :)

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 1:10 pm EST

That first part should read that just having tough guys on your roster DOESN"T deter things from happening.

Vic


Mon Feb 8 2016 1:09 pm EST

I did want to respond the issue of intimidation. I think people get the wrong idea with how it works and doesn't work. First, I would be the first guy to agree that having McILRATH, or any other tough guy, on your roster deters guys like SIMMONDS from doing what they do. What does deter other teams from taking runs at your players and "taking liberties" is when you show the willingness and ability to retaliate in kind. So when SIMMONDS goes after a McDONAGH you don't go after SIMMONDS. He isn't going to fight you anyway. What you do is go after GIREAUX and level him with a borderline hit. That does 2 things. First, it lets the Flyers know that if they risk injuring your best players YOU WILL try to injure their best players. It also gives you the opportunity to kick the crap out of SIMMONDS because he won't back down and turtle. He will be coming after you for the fight. But what you can't do is turn the other cheek. You have to send a message to the Flyers and every other team that they stand to be hurt as much or more if they cross the line. THAT is the deterrent.

Vic


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:51 pm EST

About AV's whining and bellyaching..Part of me says STFU and it ain't goona change anything...the other part says, damn straight, a Ranger would get hosed for the incident...Simmonds deserves to get suspended for the stick throwing most of all....Oh, but he didn't mean either action!

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:45 pm EST

But coach Alain Vigneault was livid that the NHL did not issue supplemental discipline, either for the “sucker-punch” or for Simmonds throwing his stick towards the on-ice officials. “I had a feeling he had a concussion,” Vigneault said. “We weren’t 100 percent sure. He had some symptoms. “What I didn’t expect was the reaction from the league. An All-Star player gets sucker-punched, goes down. I wonder if that’s (Sidney) Crosby, what happens? What are the consequences? And, on top of that, a player breaks his stick, throws it at the referees. In the rulebook, that’s automatic. It’s three games. Nothingg happens. It’s not even on the sheet after the game. “And the referee came to me and I said, ‘Am I getting a power play here?’ and he said, ‘No, he’s getting a game misconduct for throwing his stick at us,’” Vigneault continued. “And it’s not on the sheet. I think maybe you guys (the media) should call the league and find out what happened because obviously we’re getting different answers.” Simmonds is listed for a game misconduct on the official gamesheet but it’s not specified that he threw his stick or abused an official. Vigneault was also upset about reports that the Flyers believe McDonagh embellished his injury. “Tell them to go see him (McDonagh) at his house today,” Vigneault said.

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:44 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Ranger Rants: Here's a livid AV on McDonagh's concussion, Flyers' response and no suspension for Simmonds http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/rangerrants/ …

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:43 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord See every Ranger on ice for morning skate BUT Ryan McDonagh and Rick Nash.

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:42 pm EST

kid k punches pos cryer, and throws his stick at refs ....you can bet the house 3-10 game suspension.....

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:34 pm EST

"Vigneault says McIlrath will play tonight but he & Gorton are discussing options for games after this one vs. Devils with McDonagh out" Who shoots L down in Hartford?? SKEJI?? GRAVES?? One might be getting recalled...........Thinking a little further down the line, were the Blues ever considered by people on here as a destination for Yandle? Seems, there sitauation has gotten worse with PIETRANGELO going out with a seriosu knee injury....It's that time of year folks where the intensity goes up and so do the injuries.....And why teams mostly wait until the deadline

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:06 pm EST

E/VZIC - I said that from the second I saw the play..McD got what he deserved for being just as dirty as Simmons and for being so god dam unaware and naive as to not be expecting something like the punch...And this happens Mcilrth or no Mcilrath....But would have been nice to have Mcilrath for after the event,,,I'll say this, at least there was finally some passion and physicality in a Ranger-Flyer game..For a heated rivalary, the games had turned into waltzes..

Hospo


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:58 am EST

E: On that play I totally agree. I LOVE that McDONAGH brought the stick up to defend himself. That was straight out of MESSIER's playbook. And don't think the rest of the league didn't notice it either. McDONAGH has had injury issues and can't afford to allow himself to get drilled in the shoulder again. So take a run at him at your own risk. I also have no problem with SIMMONDS throwing a punch in retaliation. McDONAGH should have expected it. Next time he won't stick his face in close to a guy he just cross checked in the head. Tough lesson to learn but I doubt he will leave himself that defenseless and unaware in the future. And I sure do hope McILRATH kicks the crap out of SIMMONDS they next time they play!

Vic


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:53 am EST

OLA: I had a busy weekend and didn't get to start watching the Filthy game until last night. I did know what had happened in the game and the score. I also had read the wall and saw your proclamation that YANDLE had the best game a D has had since LEETCH. So, naturally I was intrigued and wanted to see this brilliance for myself when I started watching last night. Well, I made it through the first 25 minutes of the game before I had to call it a night. Just a few minutes shy of half the game. And now I know that all of your YANDLE love is indisputably just a joke you are trying to play on the Wall. I know this because YANDLE was awful in the 1st period. Mishandling the puck often and then running around in his own end. And to start the second period he makes a horrible decision to pinch when he had no chance of getting to the puck, thus creating a scoring chance the other way forcing the Rangers to take a penalty (FAST). Hopefully I will get to watch the rest of the game at some point. I'm sure he played better in the 2nd half of the game but you can put away your hyperbole regarding YANDLE in the future. I know you are just trolling now and don't actually believe it.

Vic


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:46 am EST

RF: I honestly don't think Simmonds deserved a suspension. I continue to contend that McD and him were playing rough. McD cross checked Simmonds HARD right before. I like it. Stand up for yourself. Don't take no crap from Simmonds. He's trying to get you off of your game. I like the way Simmonds plays. Don't like being on the other side of his crap. He really didn't look to injure McD no matter how you turn the tape around and examine it. He was pissed about being crosschecked and threw a gloved punch. It was a little off balance and he caught him with the follow thru elbow. It happened. But what was Simmonds supposed to do? If you were a Philly fan and your guy just took a high and hard cross check you'd scream bloody murder if your guy didn't get back after him. Especially when your guy is not known to shy away from this type of stuff. So, next game you dress McIlrath. And see what happens. And would be very confident that Simmonds tries to pull McIlrath off of his game and then not answer the call. Then what? Try to bash Simmonds head in? Retribution? Rink justice? Okay, and then face the wrath of a league who instructed their refs to aggressively enforce the rules on fighting. They don't even let fights conclude anymore. How many times have you seen the refs get in between players while they are tied up and working their arms free. And the players aren't even remotely gassed?

E


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:35 am EST

ARC: you miss the point. You were musing how many points were left on the table due to the NYR issues with toughness. I have contended quite a bit that the Presidents Trophy is a very nice accolade that demonstrates achievement during the regular season. Translates to: it's nice to be a NYR all season long because if you buy tickets you will likely walk out with a smile and a victory. In the meaning of the hockey universe? It means nothing because only the SC matters to me and with this team especially. Anything else is a failure period... But, they aren't leaving points on the table because of toughness. It has more to do with the construct of the team and team philosophy that irks fans. This team has one fundamental problem with itself. And I do think it has an effect on the ice. There is no personality to it at all. It's dry, boring, and can be uninspiring. It is after all entertainment. But they win. Philly smashes them around for 7-games the NYR win the series. Washington physically demolishes them and throttles them up and down the ice and the NYR win. It is almost like zombie hockey. You cannot kill the NYR. But there is no personality. That's what most of you want. That is a big part of why SOME people are so frustrated that McIlrath isn't dressing full time. They are screaming for some emotion. I personally put a premium on the bottom-6 being rough and tumble. I think that's how you win. I appreciate the fact that the NYR have a lot of team speed even on the 4th line but I'd trade a little of that skill for a group that comes over the boards and conducts a good old fashioned physical tour de force. Get the fans up. Get the sticks banging the dasher. Inspire. Instead, you get Stalberg. Ugh. You get Moore who is a tenacious puck hawk and versatile. You get Glass who will bang bodies but is marginal enough that he doesn't have the skill to dress every night. So, some of what I think people are missing more then anything else is not a team that lacks ability to get over the edge with physicality. I don't think that's the case at all. They are in the black hole of the hockey netherworld. They aren't skilled enough to win the cup like Chicago does. Nor are they a team with the force of will as say an LAK. Or even worse the Washington Caps who look like one of the scariest teams I've seen in a while. The NYR just truck along. Just 2' underwater from having what it takes to win on paper. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

E


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:25 am EST

Bottom line is this for me: McI is needed and shame on AV for looking for every excuse to pressbox him. He failed to capture a cup with a very good team in Vancouver due to his turn the other cheek crap and won't win one in NY. That failure is on him.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:23 am EST

jnyr: I was actually watching the Rolfe/Schultz fight. Disgusting. If you think that was bad, you should have seen the way the Flyers beat up on the Leafs. I recall Borje Salming being held by one Flyer (arms pinned back) and another Flyer pounding away on him. Disgusting hockey. Dark days of the NHL for sure. It makes me sick when I hear that team and Fred Shero being lauded. They had a good goalie (Parent) and a few good players (Clarke and McLeish) but won primarily because they intimidated everyone. Gawd I hated that team.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:11 am EST

Ya I started when you did RF.....sitting with my father while Dave Schultz pummeled Dale Rolfe....sitting in the blue seats when Dave Brown of the F'ck'ing Flyers swung his stick over he head of Tomas Sandstrum......of how about Tomas Kloucek getting his arms pinned back by some Islander a**hole while Alexi Yashin punched and broke his nose....and countless more....... and I am one of those guys that frets over loosing draft pick.....I do remember getting run all over the place by the Big Bad Bruins

jnyr


Mon Feb 8 2016 11:06 am EST

What a league, eh? McD with a concussion due to a punch to the jaw and Simmonds with no suspension. Totally phucked up league but once again, let's be sure to lay blame at the feet of the owners, the managers AND the NHLPA and really, it's the latter who are the ultimate fools. The first 2 groups aren't risking early dementia and debilitating brain disease - the players, in other words, via their CBA, are helping allow their union foes to ensure this crap cannot be properly removed from the game. They are doing this to themselves. What is their collective IQ anyways?

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:35 am EST

jnyr: How far back do you go? As far back as watching the 'Big Bad Bruins' gooning the Rangers all over the ice (in the late 60s and early 70s)?

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 10:19 am EST

RF...couldnt agree more...Im not looking to go back to the goon era of the 70's but why in hell does our DNA as a hockey team have us always swallowing SH*T.....no pushback...McD gets sucker punched and the only guy to get pissed off is Klein with the broken wrist.....and another thing that galls me is forwards can camp out in front of our goalie with no fear of any physical contact...watch a game and how many times do you see this...Lindgvist on his knees after a save....covering the puck up.....waiting for a whistle...looking up to have an opposing forward standing over him looking dwn with no Ranger D-Man in the picture

jnyr


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:36 am EST

It's funny how the same arguments continually appear and reappear in here; two of them are: The value of drafting high and the value of retribution to acts of intimidation. As many on here do, I have strong opinions on both and really don't get how those who disagree with me disagree with me. For the second argument, I guess those who don't see the value of a McI in the lineup never played hockey competitive hockey.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 9:23 am EST

The presidents trophy??? THE PRESIDENTS TROPHY!!!!! I don't give a flying phoonani about the presidents trophy. I want the g DAMNED Stanley Cup! Someone pointed out recently the importance of the playoff see recently (hint; means jack squat). Unfortunately that's the line of thinking that IS shortsighted and why we've only won one cup in 80 years. But we have won 5 or 6 presidents trophies tho. Let me know when you have a parade for those.

_Arc


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:57 am EST

Wanna bet Taylor Hall is available? Chiarelli needs to tear up that core - it's so obvious. He also desperately needs a goalie. Talbot is starting to stink again.

RF4L


Mon Feb 8 2016 8:03 am EST

KING HENRIK Henrik Lundqvist is one win away from tying Martin Brodeur for the most wins a goaltender has earned in his first 11 NHL seasons. Entering tonight’s contest, Lundqvist has appeared in one fewer game through his first 11 seasons than Brodeur appeared in during his first 11 seasons. Lundqvist has allowed two goals or fewer in 11 of his last 16 appearances, including nine of his last 12 appearances and eight of his last 10 appearances. He has posted an 8-3-1 record, along with a 2.13 GAA and a .922 SV% in his last 12 appearances, as well as a 7-3-0 record, along with a 1.97 GAA and a .929 SV% in his last 10 appearances. In addition to the franchise records he already holds or shares, Lundqvist is close to establishing Rangers records for career regular season appearances by a goaltender and career regular season saves. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/08/devils-at-rangers-tonight-7-p-m-pre-game-notes-6/#sthash.8coU9533.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:43 am EST

Martin St Louis ✔ @mstlouis_26 Winter break!! I forgot how much fun skiing was, espacially with the boyzzzz!! #safetyfirst #pizzapie #vt pic.twitter.com/CyIQOlp2o6

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 7:04 am EST

lb "If you care even a little about hockey history, then you must follow @Dave_Stubbs on Twitter. You can thank me later."...http://nypost.com/2016/02/06/lasting-effect-of-dennis-wideman-incident-could-change-nhl/

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:55 am EST

york they can run a hose or have it in a can. ....lb i know why , and so do you..."That’s crime and injustice in the NHL, where the league not only eschewed issuing supplementary discipline to the Philadelphia winger for the sucker punch, but also passed on applying Rule 40.4 that calls for an automatic suspension to any player who throws his stick toward an official, which Simmonds did after he was given a match penalty by the Kelly Sutherland-Dave Lewis tandem. Indeed, Simmonds broke his stick in front of his own bench and then fired it across the ice in the direction of the referees as they stood in front of the officials’ box on the opposite side of the rink. Rule 40. 4, which is under the “physical abuse of official” umbrella, states: “Any player who, by his actions, physically demeans an official or physically threatens an official by (but not limited to) throwing a stick or any other piece of equipment or object at or in the general direction of an official…shall be suspended for not less than three (3) games.”

stevielegs


Mon Feb 8 2016 6:26 am EST

Stevie. Room on the bench is the reason you want see one where do you put it? Football sidelines are huge......E I agree and disagree I have seen wrath gi after guys who didn't want to fight after cheap shitting someone and like I said they turtked and wrath still busted them up. I'm a firm believer very few guys in today's NHL are afraid this isn't the 60s and 70s but guys know who to avoid and wrath is one of those guys and when it comes time to exact revenge he doesn't ask you to fight his gloves are off and he's hitting you before you know what to do. Having wrath playing wouldn't have saved McD having probrrt nilan and twist on the ice wouldn't have saved him simmonds is a throw back of sorts like a wendal Clark minus the honor IMO he can play but he's tough as nails. It'd kind if funny the game really hasn't evolved anywhere but the NHL level and that IMO is because blue collar people are the fans at the minor levels from ahl to Jrs. NHL caters to the white collar crowd and find me a blue collard guy who hasn't wanted to punch someone in the face like a boss they relate where as the white collar crowd is thebboss lol. I miss the old NHL

York18


Mon Feb 8 2016 4:36 am EST

I was watching a game between EDM and Florida a while ago that completely got out of hand. Among others, Ekblad got a concussion on a retaliation hit. There was bad blood between PHI and Pit for a long time, seems to have cooled down a bit lately, but they certainly took a toll on each other. What should we do the next time we face Philly? Put McI at forward on the opening face off next to Stewert? What if Miller catches Giroux and send him out on a stretcher? We can do that. But in all fairness, this league lately have very much been "live by the sword, die by the sword"-ish. I think we have been too weak at times, and I think its a great asset to have McIlrath in the line-up. No doubt. I want a player like Stewert or Wilson know that if they do something when McIlrath is dressed, they will have to fight someone like him that they are over-matched by. There will be no questions asked, it will come natural and its not like a goon only like Boogaard jumping in to fight a player. But on an overall level, it definitely seem that it also is worth it to stay away from creating really bad blood between our team and a rival, or a western team (like the FLA-EDM blood bath just seemed so unnecessary, they play each other what 2 times per year and it all started with one hit). Because there will be teams out there that do just that. Chicago and Tampa and the likes. If you got 5-6 injuries at different degrees per season due to picking a fight with a rival that you have played 6 times, it will cost you down the road.

Ola


Mon Feb 8 2016 12:01 am EST

The Oilers and their first round picks lost 8-1 to the Brooklyn tonight.

MelvilleFred


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:47 pm EST

I know there was no bench mandate. Easy proof. Lindberg got into a fight. No one knows what goes on behind the bench. Not you, me or anyone else. Even the MSG feed if they do know, they won't broadcast it except in platitudes. I know what kind of team lots of us want. I don't disagree in principle. I get it. Everyone knows my philosophy for winning. But this concept of a wussy team. I just break rank. Points left on the ice because they weren't tough enough? The won the friggin Presidents Trophy last season. A team where AV is needlessly constraining his players from physicality is not substantiated in any tangible way sans the personnel. I get it. But it's the rink justice that I think way too many fans get out there into the Wilderness. Point to McIlrath thrashing Belesky. Great. Belesky is a willing fighter. Take Belesky's former team. Take Corey Perry. He'll gladly spear you to the groin, and if McIlrath jumped him, he'd take the penalty minutes. That's what he does. That's what Simmonds does. They sucker you in. They'll fight if they think they're team needs the spark. But it will be at a benign point in the game or in a moment of heated contact. They're disciplined. I watch the Ducks all the time. They are maddeningly disciplined once they have the lead. They will drop gloves left and right when it favors them. Once they have the lead? You'd think you're watching a different team. It's like they turn it off. But they don't stop trying to get under your skin. You just cannot get a fight out of them? That's how strategic the game is becoming. Do I wish the game would throw back to a more physical era? I do. It is after all, entertainment. But I also defy these notions of rink justice, retaliation as a meaningful metric. Where is the burden of proof that tougher teams win more? LA? Anaheim? Arguably the two most physical teams in the NHL. Columbus? The NYI? Or is it more like Chicago etc??? Because Chicago ain't no bruising bunch of badasses. I'm forever hearing arguments about how to win. What the magic formula is. Ultimately, force of will, skill, intestinal fortitude etc... is how winning is done... You either have it or you need it. But does chasing Clutterbuck up and down the ice win you a hockey game? He'd love to sucker McIlrath and leave him at the alter. It's already happened to McIlrath this season. He dropped mitts and ended up picking them up and going to sit for 2. Do I think AV shackled him? No... But do I think he knew to not lose his discipline (code speak for wanting to rearrange faces??) absolutely. Today's NHL. It is what it is. A team of axe murderers wouldn't have saved McD from getting KTFO'd last night. Washington battered the NYR pillar to post in their series yet again. And yet again the NYR sent them packing. And TB. A team of skill if there ever was, sent the NYR packing. Sadly... Welcome to the NHL 2016. Hard hits and low sticks as one of my coaches would say. Fighting? Go to YouTube and remember fondly the good ole days gone by. Just don't kill the messenger for it... I don't like it anymore then any of you. :(

E


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:19 pm EST

Did anyone else write in John Scott for Super Bowl MVP? ;)

LeoS


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:33 pm EST

Ted Ginn Jr. runs out of bounds every catch to avoid being hit. AV would take him on the Rangers immediately. His kind of player.

Bob


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:24 pm EST

Congrats to Peyton Manning on finally winning a 2nd super bowl, not that he had much to do with it. Defensive struggle that wasn't very entertaining, but Manning strikes me as a class act. Seems obvious he just played his last professional game.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:06 pm EST

Any reason they don't use oxygen in hockey but do in football ?

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:06 pm EST

York: Yes, that's sort of what I said, but what cannot be argued is the fact that LA, Pittsburgh, Boston and Chicago, collectively the winners of the last 7 cups, had in their lineups 3 firsts overall (Kane, Crosby, Fleury), 4 seconds (Staal, Doughty, Seguin, Malkin) and a third (Toews).

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:14 pm EST

RF It means there are no things set when it comes to winning a cup other than you need a little luck and need to get hot at the right time...............................AV not like fights or anything after the whistle, I wonder if this is because he was a failed enforcer and being a failed enforcer he is jealous and doesn't like it on his teams.

York18


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:13 pm EST

Rf4l first round picks are on the nyr . Just more spread out than the oilers.... Maybe the nyr need another movie night .... Maybe try westside story ..... Learn how to rumble in the jungle....

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:07 pm EST

Not much doubt in my mind about veenyo not even wanting scrums after the whistle , and not really liking guys involved in fights. It's pretty obvious what his priorities are while basically denying the facts of intimidation , intents to injure, and just plain old wearing a team down and making them look over their shoulders . He wants to win at all costs which usually means his players get hurt and he still plays them injured or rushes them back. He cost them not getting to the finals by playing cripples instead of a healthy sub . ... Guess he doesn't understand karma....

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 8:48 pm EST

York. Not sure whst your point is...

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 8:21 pm EST

E- I would have been extremely happy to give up the two points to send a message!!!! it's extremely shortsighted to worry about 2 God damned points when we have years worth of evidence that shows what happens when these things don't get addressed; How many points have we left on the table since Nash got his head rocked (again) middle of last year? I think most here know the splits pre and post concussion. How about McD himself since he had that shoulder issue because of that rediculous hit in a meaningless game with a min left against Tor. He was just getting back to being this guy and this happens. I would have taken a suspension and taken Giroux'x head off. Mess used to do it all the time just ask gilmour, Stevens, Otto etc. That guys teams did pretty okay if I remember correctly.

_Arc


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:51 pm EST

E, how do you know AV didnt set the no retaliation mandate? You say it like you were sitting there with the team. I'm not saying he didn't say it or did, I have no idea what was said, what I do know is AV has stated he wants nothing going on after the whistle and he has stated that many times already. That would lean more towards him saying no retaliation than saying nothing

York18


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:48 pm EST

RF we could argue Nash is a number one overall and he's been rather useless in the playoffs, there are a lot of first rounders in the lineup, Brass, McD, Kreider, Miller, Stall, etc How many top five picks did the Islanders have and what did they win since the dynasty years?

York18


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:15 pm EST

mf: I don't disagree but it's not gonna be Buch and a 1st. IMO, it's gonna have to be from the current roster and not players armed with NMC. Can Gorton pull it off? Does he have the guts and savvy? Who knows - he's done nothing so far this season to give us even a hint at what he's hoping and planning to do.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:12 pm EST

RF: I was in agreement with you back around 2004,5, or 6 when we were sucking wind and could have tanked and rebuilt, but not now....... 1 or 2 strategic trades can accomplish a lot........ And just for the record, I was hootin & hollering for Slats to trade up to get Draisaitl....

mf


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:12 pm EST

And finally, AV didn't tell anyone to not go after Simmonds? All fights are tactical these days. Unfortunately. The New York Rangers were in a very tight 0-1 game. If hypothetically a Glass or someone else went to pummel Simmonds cause the New York Rangers go short handed and their putrid PK surrender a goal? How satisfied would anybody be? They literally stole the win getting 2-points when they really deserved zero points. So, I live in the world with acceptance that head over heart does matter. I don't care about spontaneous dust ups. Authentic emotion I live for. But I vacillate about the realities of the game and what I want to see. I don't buy this AV is anti-defending your teammates by command theory. I go to a lot of other team games including the big bad Ducks and the big bad Kings. You just have to be so careful. Your highest fighting teams have how many fighting majors? It's a dying part of the game.

E


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:06 pm EST

Chris Simon!

mf


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:00 pm EST

Hospo: I'd rather see that than see him walk in July. IMO, that would be worse.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:58 pm EST

IS NOT traded for futures

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:57 pm EST

RF4L - Old arguemt is correct...And I would love to draft one of the best forwards in the game..It's just no guarantee..even if you draft 3 or 4 of them..And certainly not worth quitting a season over...And why I hopeto god Yandle is traded for futures

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:46 pm EST

stevie: I hear ya. It's a significant reason why he doesn't have a cup ring - his Canucks got pummelled and intimidated by the Bruins in the final. Why he never learned is beyond me but he does a lot of things that I cannot fathom....

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:41 pm EST

ANd this argument has gone on forever in here - of course finishing last guarantees nothing. Finishing first guarantees nothing. Trading away picks for aging vets guarantees nothing. It's a combination of things but what is consistent is that you need top 6 talent in your lineup to win the cup. Every team in the past 10+ years, with the possible exception of Boston, has had at least 2 legitimate top 6 forwards, a legitimate top 2 d-man and sound goaltending. The year the Bruins one IMO the Canucks were the better team but got intimidated in all 3 games in Boston. Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh all have 3 or 4 top end players. Most of those players were acquired via selecting high in the first round.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:34 pm EST

Hospo: I can counter your Edmonton argument by pointing at the Hawks - 2 of their main cogs were selected 1st and 3rd overall.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:31 pm EST

rf4l it doesn't make sense...nyr nyc area people enjoy fighting...it's the nhl bs, the veenyo i forgot i fought when i was a player, et al pc garbage.....nyr have had some decent tough teams, but not enough of them.....and now it doesn't matter with pepe le pew sucking whistle to whistle bs ....who the f plays a guy with a broken thumb over the undertaker against the philthy cryers , and now has his capt parmenter out, with no retribution.....let him go out on the ice and turn the other cheek....from his ass.....same place he speaks from.....

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:28 pm EST

RF4L - Yep, that about sums it up for us Ranger fans...!...KInda why I liked nutjobs like Hollweg and Hospodar despite their failings...Would love another one like that..OK, a little bit more controlled..:)

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:23 pm EST

For those on here that think the Rangers should quit and just build for the future with draft picks please keep in mind the plight of the Edmonton Oilers...Constantly the worst team in the NHL despite having top picks and prospects out the yin yang (Eberle, Hall, Mcdavid, Draisdall, RNH, others)

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 5:16 pm EST

E: Dunno about you, but I'd LOVE to see McI pummel Simmonds and I wouldn't give a shit about any penalties he'd incur as a result. Of course pacifist AV does, which is why we when crap like that happens involving the Rangers it's usually a Ranger on the receiving end. What is it with this wretched franchise anyways? Except for a few very rare years, I've watched that bullshit go down since the late 60s when the Bruins kicked around the Rangers with minimal reaction. Is it ingrained into the DNA of the franchise? After al these years, it still makes me sick to watch it.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 4:49 pm EST

JFC I would like to think you're right but I don't know. I think E may be right only because Wrath is not just a legit heavy weight he's one of the best period. He took on the arguably number one enforcer and went toe to toe and didn't lose. Simmonds would probably end up getting wrecked he just may turtle.

York18


Sun Feb 7 2016 4:44 pm EST

E I remember the last guy that turtled against wrath and that guy probably wished he hadn't because Wrath grabbed him and lifted him up and hit him with some brutal upper cuts.

York18


Sun Feb 7 2016 3:50 pm EST

E -- I thinkmAimmonds has more pride than that. When Matt Beleskey smashed Stepan into the boards, McIraith kicked his ass but Beleskey took it like a man and tried to fight back. I think Simmonds would do the same thing....with the same result. And I agree about the suspension....no need for it....McD should have been ready for it...or maybe he was trying to draw a penalty and did not think it would go down that way...pun intended.

JFC31


Sun Feb 7 2016 3:14 pm EST

Just a reality check. McIlrath would've tried to pummel Simmonds who would sucker him in and turtle to get the penalty. I've long said it. In today's NHL provoking the fight and not fighting is SOP. The idea of rink justice is gone. If it were possible Glass would've gladly taken his 4th line minutes for Voracek, and Giroux's safety valve. You wanna get even with Simmonds? You can try to land a big hit on him. That stated, I have no issue with what Simmonds did. I don't think he purposely tried to land an elbow. It was an exchange between rivals. It's what you wanna see in these games. Real emotion. Authentic passionate play. It sucks that McD went down, but if you asked Simmonds if he meant to hurt him? While he might not have minded the handplay, he was just doing his job. I hope he isn't suspended as a fan of the game. As a New York Rangers fan I hope he gets suspended 40-games.

E


Sun Feb 7 2016 2:55 pm EST

Flyers lose 3-2 To Caps. Simmonds played!!!

rangerlou


Sun Feb 7 2016 1:06 pm EST

PatrickDiv: Have any opinions on what Dallas would want in return? t/y

mf


Sun Feb 7 2016 1:04 pm EST

Hospo- those two from Dallas along with Oleksiak, have been the players I have been pining for.

PatrickDiv


Sun Feb 7 2016 12:59 pm EST

Hospo: regarding that Sunday MF brunch special; on the surface the dollars can work, even with a Staal or Girardi in the deal. Digging a bit deeper though, the questions that come to mind are: how hurt is McDonagh, could we move Staal or Girardi with their nmc/ntc whatchamacallits......... "What does Dallas want for their squad??? Need to read up on what they want if this thing has a chance to fly..... Are the looking for a RHS or LHS D'man? ...... To me this is also intriguing because of the ages of their two guys, 20 & 26..... We could theoretically get a bit younger, acquire a 10th overall pick, and a lot more physical up front..... Path of least resistance seems Klein / Hayes for Roussel & Nich....... Wait, I got to go, my Barbie, Ken, and Kaitlen Jenner Dolls want a shoe shine...... later

mf


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:37 am EST

rf4l bazookerella has an inspector gadget stick. it looks like it can extend to twice his height....about 10 feet....

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:26 am EST

yes RF4L, very likely....I'll hope against hope....Maybe Dolan will step in and order AV to play a Colton Orr every game..:)

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:23 am EST

Hospo: I suspect if Gorton acquired one, AV would neuter him.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:20 am EST

Twitterverse saying no suspension for SIMMONDS....DOesn't treally bother me...Him and MCD were both going at it dirty, MCD should have been readu for...........What BOTHERS me is that the Rangers don't have a single player (top 18) that would do what Simmonds did or anything physically proactive with energy...Need a player like that bad

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 11:12 am EST

Guys, I have watched every game this year from the following site (only lost one game)................http://blabseal.com/frodo/

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:22 am EST

Guys Front Row Sports shows every sporting event for free. NHL, PAY PER VIEW ECTC........

rangerlou


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:13 am EST

JERRY GARCIA I can't get in either, hoping there's not legal problems

ref24


Sun Feb 7 2016 10:11 am EST

So our captain gets sucker punched and who is the first one to come to his aid ........ Calvin One Thumb Klein.

rangerlou


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:54 am EST

I'm getting the sense that Yandle won't be traded and will walk in June. If so, dumb dumb dumb.

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:42 am EST

My gosh, Zuke is good on the shoot-out...

RF4L


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:26 am EST

11) Dan Boyle also had another strong game (ducks). Seriously, he’s been darn good since the break, which he obviously needed. And the calm play he made on the tying goal, holding, holding, holding the puck in Wayne Gretzky’s office there, causing mayhem around the Flyers net, was outstanding and critical. Any panic, or bad decision, or poor pass, and it’s Game Over. 12) The Rangers should run their power play that way, with so many bodies moving toward the net, and looking for a pass and a shot instead of fancy-pants tic-tac-toe stuff. I know, 5-on-4 is different than 6-on-5, and when it’s the final minute you’re not worried so much about the shorty. But the same idea ought to apply in terms of traffic/shot. It doesn’t. 13) So Dominic Moore is called for the pansification penalty in second, during a game where all sorts of garbage is being let go, and by an officiating crew that had a nightmare game – two of the three should be fined or suspended for what happened at the end of the Simmonds penalty. With Moore in the box, of course the penalty kill coughs up a hairball. The Rangers did change it up on PK. This time they — Dan Girardi and Marc Staal — allow two men to be wide open in Lundqvist’s grill as Shayne Gostisbehere’s bomb goes through Ryan White’s legs. I think it might have tipped a Ranger’s stick on the way in. Before the shot, Tanner Glass totally bit on Gostisbehere’s head fake, for no reason at all. No need for him to cover the left point, when the puck is at the right point. Got to stay in the lane there. But the wide-open men down low, that’s the real problem, and has been for a long time. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/07/rangers-flyers-in-review-22/#sthash.uEYyJOOd.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:25 am EST

3) As for the game itself … typical 2015-16 Rangers’ non-60 minute game, where not nearly enough of their top players did nearly enough for the full tilt, but some of whom did just enough to be part of a win. That second period was just awful. Awful offensively, awful defensively, awful on special teams – what else is new? Their second periods have carried an odor all season. It can’t just be the long change. That one was just lopsided. Another one. Twenty shots on goal for the Flyers. Holy moly. -13) As for the game itself … typical 2015-16 Rangers’ non-60 minute game, where not nearly enough of their top players did nearly enough for the full tilt, but some of whom did just enough to be part of a win. That second period was just awful. Awful offensively, awful defensively, awful on special teams – what else is new? Their second periods have carried an odor all season. It can’t just be the long change. That one was just lopsided. Another one. Twenty shots on goal for the Flyers. Holy moly. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/07/rangers-flyers-in-review-22/#sthash.uEYyJOOd.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 9:18 am EST

pure genius playing Calvin Klein with a broken thumb, a non-secret, so he can't even stick up for a teammate goes to show veenyoyo's philosophy of whistle to whistle, turn the other cheek or jaw side......

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 8:59 am EST

That left the clubs four-on-four for four minutes, followed by a 1:00 Rangers’ power play. But the Flyers did not put a man in the box to serve Simmonds’ five-minute sentence. Under Rule 20.2, the Rangers should have remained on a power play until a stoppage in play. But, apparently upon consent of linesman Kiel Murchison, Voracek hopped onto the ice when the Flyers killed it off and took a headman pace before racing in on Lundqvist. Rule 20.2 also calls for a bench minor for illegal substitution. Coach Alain Vigneault, who had a lengthy chat with Sutherland before the start of the second period, said that he was told the officials would have “disallowed the goal” had Voracek beaten Lundqvist. “On a major penalty, the coach can put a player in the box to serve the penalty at any time during the five minutes,” Vigneault said. “But on a match penalty, the referees are supposed to notify the coach to put somebody in the box at the start of the penalty but they forgot.”

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 8:46 am EST

Well let's see isn't what that pos did considered a head shot that caused a possible concussion ? If the NHL is cracking down on those , then he should be suspended no matter what the injury. Using a glove or a stick should all be put together for head shots with elbows and shoulders . A hit to the head is a hit to the head is a hit to the head.... I thought I saw little birdies flying around the captain's head ..... Stay down trucker stay down...a trucker sucker....

stevielegs


Sun Feb 7 2016 8:11 am EST

I don't think Simmonds should be suspended either. He got tossed. And the NHL DPS is not suspending one of Mr. Snider's kids anyway. He was so angry because he usually gets away with that stuff.

Bob


Sun Feb 7 2016 8:06 am EST

I'm going to probably say the unpopular thing but Simmonds shouldn't be suspended he punched a player in the face with his glove on in a scrum not from behind but face to face. That would get most of the league suspended on a nightly basis. McD really has a glass jaw, you can't say the punch was that bad, because a punch on the button doesn't have to be, but man he better never drop the gloves.

York18


Sun Feb 7 2016 7:11 am EST

Hipcheck: Thanks for the reply. Today I am unable to connect to hockey stream.com. I also tries to email that domain and the email failed delivery. Hopefully this is just a technical server issue?

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Feb 7 2016 6:04 am EST

Jerry_Garcia, -- Yup, I'm having major, prolonged difficulty connecting on hockeystreams.com yesterday & this morning. This is the longest I've gone without being able to connect. Pretty pissed off right now, hope this is not the beginning of the end of that great site?

hipcheck


Sun Feb 7 2016 1:54 am EST

MF - Simmonds is one of the better Players in the NHL around the net, and a scumbag, he is exactly what the Rangers need.......And in honor of you, Here's a MF Special after watching the Stars-Hawks.....Kevin HAYES and a D-man (klein, Ynadle,Staal or Girardi) to DAL for NICHUSHKIN and ROUSSEL...and then whatever else is needed to make it even (if it isn't)

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 1:49 am EST

NYstranger - The King did let in a softie...But he was out of this world in the 2nd period facing about 20 shots from his unprotected doorstep.....and was the only reason the team won today...IMWO

Hospo


Sun Feb 7 2016 12:30 am EST

ok I now have seen the play. So...IF Simmons does not sucker punch McD the Rangers would have been short handed for 4 minutes? Are you fucking kidding me? I could see 2 but 4 is ridiculous. Not sure what is up with Hank but he does not seem to be moving side to side well at all. If we lost this one the soft goal in the third would have been the big story along with the assault on McD.

NYStranger


Sat Feb 6 2016 11:50 pm EST

I watched the Rangers in 60... It did NOT look like MCD arms wer extended above his shoulders when lifting his stick to protect himself as Simmonds was coming at him... Looked like both guys were bent over a bit, however Simmonds was lower in stance.... I love hating the Flyers, but I wouldn't mind Simmonds in a NY Ranger Jersey........... We often talk about our defensive depth, well heck if this isn't a situation where that rings true, don't know what is..... Yankle moved up to 1st pairing, gets 27 minutes, not a problem for him, in fact it probably better gets him into the flow of the game.... Klein coulda & shoulda sat out & big MacIlrath step in, and again, no problem there..... Hank played well, we give up 2 goals, historically, not a huge problem, gives you a chance to win........

mf


Sat Feb 6 2016 11:42 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/02/04/henrik-lundqvist-finally-sells-his-midtown-penthouse/

mf


Sat Feb 6 2016 11:37 pm EST

So I could not see the game this afternoon but hearing what happened I sat up to watch the replay. The full replay mind you not the Rangers in 60. The entire episode of the cheap shot on McDonough the ensuing tussle through the screwup on the Flyers at the end of the Rangers PP etc. ALL CUT OUT!!! WTF? The game picked up after the commerical at the 1:42 mark at the end of the first. Hummm...trying to erase history MSG? What a joke. No replay during the condensed intermission either. You tube here I come. Anyone else notice this?

NYStranger


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:30 pm EST

maybe MGT = dolan doesn't want a tough team. could that possibly be the situation? Guess we will never know. When we won the cup we were pretty darn tough. Although the game is much faster now. Still need to be team tough. Klein, Mclrath, Kreider, Zucc, Yandle, Moore are all pretty decent as far as toughness. Mcdonough is somewhat tough but doesn't drop 'em. 6 out of 20 opps mclrath doesn't play ... ah screw it who cares not management. I went to FIOS not paying Dolan anymore.

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:16 pm EST

Brian Boyle wasn't great but he didn't take any shit either, or Dubinsky...Need a blend of high skill, toughness...hey that was easy. maybe I will apply for the job.

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:14 pm EST

CHICAGOLA team tough....Cups ...wake the fuck up AVSather

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:13 pm EST

play whistle to whistle fuck him. let everyone kick our asses, lucic gives nash a forearm 2 years ago now Nash is too afraid from 2 concussions. Whistle to whistle Well AV you cant play scared either you asshole...tanner glass does not scare anybody. Need to be team tough don't have to have a strict fighter on the team but mclrath is getting splinters you fuckin idiot. His skating has drastically improved along with his play...especially against the ashhole flyers. AV you maybe regular season coach BUT YOU WONT WIN A CUP UNLESS ITS YOUR JOCKSTRAP.

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:13 pm EST

play whistle to whistle fuck him. let everyone kick our asses, lucic gives nash a forearm 2 years ago now Nash is too afraid from 2 concussions. Whistle to whistle Well AV you cant play scared either you asshole...tanner glass does not scare anybody. Need to be team tough don't have to have a strict fighter on the team but mclrath is getting splinters you fuckin idiot. His skating has drastically improved along with his play...especially against the ashhole flyers. AV you maybe regular season coach BUT YOU WONT WIN A CUP UNLESS ITS YOUR JOCKSTRAP.

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:59 pm EST

fu av . until he is fired i renounce my ny ranger citizinship

docjay


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:53 pm EST

AV wont let it happen AV is a pacifist he should become a librarian. Tired of this SHIT we are always getting our asses kicked. where is jeff blomberg, Darren turcotte

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:38 pm EST

If wrath plays the next time they play the flyers I would expect him to go right after that POS

York18


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:16 pm EST

Glass oh the NHL is scared of him...fuckin AV got back to france

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:15 pm EST

MCLRATH WOULD HAVE PUMMLED SIMMONS what the fuck is wrong with AV and is pacifism? I don't get it that is how players get hurt fuckin AV dam sissy froggy

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:13 pm EST

It's obvious this team can't motivate itself consistently nor does AV do a good enough job motivating it to play with energy consistently....What you need is a player/forward who every shift bust his balls, gives 110% and has some skill to boot...and can lead the other moops in the energy dept....Can they find that player? I don't know

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:13 pm EST

mclrATH WOULD HAVE PUMMELED

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 8:00 pm EST

This is AV's fault MC'd getting hurt. AV's pussy pacifist attitude makes the Rangers vulnerable. Torts team this doesn't happen hate to say it.

vcp1994


Sat Feb 6 2016 7:31 pm EST

Hospo the problem is the coach and his staff refuse to own up to it...they think they are 8-4-1 because of them....the 8 are theirs' , the 4 are the players', and they share the 1......wafj.....

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 7:25 pm EST

“I think this shows us what happens when we play with that kind of determination" ..No shit! and though they piss me off, this is why I remain convinced this team can have a long stanley cup run...if healthy and with one significant forward addition...because when they play with passion and intensity, they are in the top 3-4 in the east..The problem is, the COACH AV has not been doing his job in getting the team to play like that...His strategies and deployments are one of the bigger things dragging this team down

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 7:10 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/02/06/emerging-yandle-lightens-rangers-ryan-mcdonagh-ko-blow/

mf


Sat Feb 6 2016 7:10 pm EST

Puckyou - So have I..Hell I broke a guys jaw in a championship game just by defending myself with and elbow protecting my face and his jaw ran into it! :) ...Simmonds got what he deserved from MCD's protective but still dirty hit....and Mcd deserved the retribution and should have been ready for it..I know I would have done something similar to what Simmonds did...and would have deserved the match!!!

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 7:04 pm EST

“You could tell that our emotion was all over the place the first and second period [after McDonagh was struck down] but then we settled down to play hockey,” Yandle said. “The best way to help ‘Trucker’s’ spirits was to win the game.”....wtf? trucker?...“For some reason, I had a good feeling,” said Lundqvist, who did not face a shot in OT, either. “I think this shows us what happens when we play with that kind of determination. “You need to believe.” Believe this: For the Rangers, 8-4-1 in the past 13, this was a thing of beauty....wow Larry did veenyo talk about a bus stop with you ?......keep on truckin'......

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 6:10 pm EST

Hospo- People have had countries named after them for less stellar efforts (cf. Simon B).

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 6:02 pm EST

capt parmenter with a glass jaw and no brain...did he expect no retaliation?.....way to go capt hurt your team , it's all about you and your coach....fishboy you can include him in a trade and resign yandle .....coach your boy glass really protected and woke your team up.....try playing big mac more than 1 game per month you moron.....now who's coming up diaz?......and mr hank you continue not to make the routine saves..you sure you want to win a cup?......goaltending is included in playing 60+ minutes.....still nice to tie a game with 12 seconds left, and win it in the skills competition.....what do you say coach credit and blame ?.....this team is nowhere close to where they could be .....even dave maloney was screaming about the officials....when cheesy has to drop the gloves, your team is nowhere strong or tough enough for the playoffs......guess they never figured out how la beat them in the finals......they out-muscled them to death..... veenyoyo stick your whistle to whistle mantra......

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 5:23 pm EST

Hospo- what McDonough did by putting a stick up in front of his face I've done 100 times. If a player wants to come in high (and late) like that he deserves what he gets . Maybe there would be less head shots if the dirty players started spitting out teeth for coming up high. Couldn't happen to a bigger pr*ck (Simmonds). He got nailed by Kreider and was pissed, MCD was him getting even. And MCD may be out for awhile- he was playing well.

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 4:31 pm EST

Islanders getting pummeled 5-0

rangerlou


Sat Feb 6 2016 4:02 pm EST

Good point he definitely should have expected it . Hopefully the NHL suspends him.

tlats


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:59 pm EST

Tlats - Simmonds deserved the Match..and a few games..but..MCD should have been ready for it becasue of the just as dirty crap he pulled with the cosscheck to the face before it..

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:55 pm EST

Worst call of the game - Joe Micaletti saying that he couldn't believe Simmonds is getting a match penelty for that punch. After watching it a couple of times that was a hard punch right to the jaw when McDonagh was not expecting it. Probably concussed ,possible broken jaw.

tlats


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:54 pm EST

OLA - C'mon...enough with the trolling....But, he did play alot (27 mins) and well (1 point)..Dan Boyle played almost as much (25 mins) and just as well (1 point)..:)

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:53 pm EST

Ulf is too loyal to Staal. Move him to RD, trade Klein and put Boyle in the stands and give the left side to Yandle and McD.

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:50 pm EST

Hey Gorton, screw Larry Brooks and his youth mandate, get a damn forward in here quick..Preferably one with some balls who likes to play in the dirty areas.You have my permission to include Hayes in any deal

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:49 pm EST

With all due respect to McD, best game by a Ranger D since Leetch by Yandle tonight. What a show, that was something else.

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:48 pm EST

Probably the most emotional win this year with your captain getting sucker punched by that scumbag and coming back to win it in Philly. Now hopefully they build on this, make a move or two and get this thing straight.

tlats


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:47 pm EST

OMG, not only did we win, we won on the road, we won in the afternoon, we won in OT , we won on a shoot out, AND, we won two in a row. Armeggedon is upon us.

WIOSA


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:47 pm EST

This win goes to The KIng! His excellence in the 2nd period kept them in the game.......This team is so damn maddening....Just like against the Devils, they waited till the 3rd to really play..and when they played with passion, they were the better team.........KEVIN HAYES IS EFFFIN USELESS..he adds nothing on a nhightly basis..AV won't even use him in OT whenn there's open ice.. Sit his ass already..Nick TARNASKY will genrtate more offense.....Ans Stepan is almost as bad, too many nights he is basically invisible.....Hayes and Step combined for about 38 mins of play tonight and maybe 1 excuse me hit which shows their involvement

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:43 pm EST

Hospo- Maybe lol, but when he gets to play a little more he has been sick

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:43 pm EST

Had no idea Stepan was dressed today..

Shaggy


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:43 pm EST

How bad can the Flyers feel after this game? No Nash, McD knocked out of the game, and the Rangers were pretty listless for a large part of the game and they still lose. This makes me happy!

RDW


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:43 pm EST

YEEEESSSS

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:42 pm EST

Fuck yeah!! Needed this to stay alive.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:42 pm EST

Two points Rangers win!

tlats


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:40 pm EST

E, LOL, I have never had anyone describe the "Kovie Experience" better. The mental image of burying and digging up his jersey tops the cake. Thanks for the chuckle, cause lord knows this team wont provide one.

WIOSA


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:39 pm EST

Nice to see Miller take a run at Giroux. Glass was loving it

RDW


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:32 pm EST

OLA _ I kinda like Yandle but, bull shit my friend, he's as inconsnistent as the rest of these schmoes...But,,solid game tonight..O agree he should play more, but that's one of many things I think AV is doing wrong

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:32 pm EST

Hospo....100% agree with you, but it's the Flyers so not enough bad things can happen to them.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:31 pm EST

Well whadda ya know!!!! Couldn't happen against a better team. Really to bad that our management has put us in a position where we can't resign Yandle.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:30 pm EST

I still hate this fuckin team...No urgency until the 3rd...Just like the Devil game...You play like you are coached!

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:29 pm EST

Gorton should be lynched if he trades Yandle, what a game by him

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:26 pm EST

_arc.....I tend to agree with you on that.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:25 pm EST

Every time flyers get a chance They are running us

rangerlou


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:25 pm EST

Wayne Simonds knocks out our captain and the guy who steps in his slot Ryan Fuckin White has a hand in both flyer goals. No way I trade Chris Kreider. 6-3 230 pound foward skates like the wind, still a young player and if he gets it all together he will be a very very good player.

tlats


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:23 pm EST

Zucc should be filling MSL's role on PP, just sayin,

pa.rangersfan


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:21 pm EST

HOSPO: you're right but MSL was the dual threat. He controlled the PP from the 1/4 boards with his passing. He made you respect time and space. So even when he wasn't scoring he was dangerous. Look at the NYR PP now. Every team extends out on them instead of zoning up. The NYR simply don't have the skill to cause anyone to back off. And Yandle clearly hasn't been the answer either. It's maddening that they simply are so abysmal at special teams. They should decline PP.

E


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:16 pm EST

_arc, you should say what you really feel.....I guess I shouldve been more specific, I wanted us and ONLY us to score a goal. Nice goal by Kreider (still want him gone)

WIOSA


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:10 pm EST

Another weak goal given up by Lundqvist...he's gotta stop that shot!

JFC31


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:08 pm EST

E -then you get somebody to play like MSL....It's not like MSL was burying the puck for us.still coaching

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:06 pm EST

LIndberger fucking coasting on the backcheck after a poorly timed change..lazy dumb shits...And The KIng has to have that one

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:06 pm EST

At lease it isn't incredibly frustrating to watch this team, right guys?

RDW


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:04 pm EST

HOSPO: yeah but PP was abysmal prior to MSL. It was good during MSL. It sucks without MSL. Finally looks like CK is beginning to snap out of it.

E


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:02 pm EST

Now that's where you should be Kid K...

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 3:01 pm EST

What a pathetic hockey team. I'm done taking this shit for for as long as I've been around save for those few glory mess years. I don't give a duck about the score or the SOG. Or the playoffs this year. I want to see Giroux carried off the ice with an elbow to the head. I don't give a fuck if that's not very nice of me. Fuck AV for not sending someone out with the intent. Fuck every one of these pansies who will say 'o its a long season and we make mental notes of these things'. It should have been the very next shift. That's what teams do. That's what winning teams do. That's how teams come together. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck philly you bunch of collective horse shit of a people full of city. This is bullshit.

_Arc


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:51 pm EST

Wouldnt it be nice if we scored a goal? Our forwards? Defense? Shite Ill take Hank...wouldnt it be nice? This is the ONLY game out of the next 6 that I thought we had a snowballs' chance in hell of winning.

WIOSA


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:50 pm EST

It kills me when i don't see any urgency. It kills me even more when they don't play aggressive and go to the net.

rangerlou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:46 pm EST

65% PK in the last 16 games? 2 for 42 on the PP? That's some bad coaching and player deployment my friends

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:46 pm EST

Two periods completed. 15 shots on goal.

rangerlou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:45 pm EST

PP 2/44

rngrsans


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:44 pm EST

I gotta say one good thing..The King played fantastic that period..It should be 3-0....Be nice if one of these other pansies like Stepan, Hayes, MZA, Kredier would step up (I'm giving Miller and Brass a pass due to the past 3games--but it would be nice)

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:42 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Yeah, I was being a smart ass with that rhetorical questions..This team desperately needs a forward that wants to get dirty and knows how to play in the slot/crease! Even if we did, AV and Arnoel would probably have him on the side boards looking to pass

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:39 pm EST

Puckyou - Gee, where have I heard that before!

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:38 pm EST

HOSPO: You know why they don't score rebound goals..first someone has to go the front of the net, which is like foreign territory for this team. Then if they are ever toward the front of the net, they always seem to be facing the otherway, so their back is toward the net not the otherway around.

DOUBLEN


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:37 pm EST

This team pisses me off and so does our coach......

rngrsans


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:36 pm EST

This team pisses me off and so does our coach.......I want a flyer to get hurt

rngrsans


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:36 pm EST

Amazing how useless Zucc has become.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:36 pm EST

AV on DYLAN from the Minn game: On Dylan McIlrath, "this is never an easy situation, let alone a young player trying to come into the league. Last night he comes in, last night was one of his more average games compares to others that we had seen prior to that. That is due to the fact that he had been sitting out quite a while. His intentions are strong, works real hard in practice and if we need him tomorrow he will be ready."

DOUBLEN


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:34 pm EST

Stepan is so horrible on the PP. When he is hurt, our PP is great and when he is back it sucks.

Ola


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:33 pm EST

Hayes and Kreider continue to be non factors, especially Hayes. He is a big puss- hits nobody, doesn't bust his butt at all at either end. Plays with a swagger his game doesn't have. This team needs some shuffling .

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:32 pm EST

And Ryan WHite can score for the FLyers? That's ok, AV and Arniel, keep everything to the outside and behind the net

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:31 pm EST

Why is it I think the Rangers will never get to a rebound to score on a PP?

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:28 pm EST

2 hooks on that play

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:28 pm EST

Hospo, agreed!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:28 pm EST

Here comes #2

rngrsans


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:28 pm EST

From the non-call on the illegal substitution to the Flyers getting all these PPs...one has to think the ref has an interest in seeing Philly get two points.. How ridiculous is it that we're shorthanded on that shite.

Shaggy


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:27 pm EST

PA - We msotly agree..Coach should be first..Has done a horrendous job

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:27 pm EST

How the Fock do they get a pp from that?

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:27 pm EST

McIlrath not in because?.. Cryers broadcasters crying about Simmons being tossed.. keep saying it was a "Rabbit Punch" .. totally ignoring it was a forearm to the head..

sjw


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:26 pm EST

This ref crew has to be one of the worst in the league.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:26 pm EST

Of all people the Swedes! Good for you Oscar and Viktor!

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:26 pm EST

Hospo, haven't gotten to see as many games this Season as I'd like due to my boy's B-Ball sched, but the games I have seen are all eerily similar. They are a passive, lifeless bunch for the most part. that mirrors the Coach. Time to sell off some of the old guard if possible and add a new voice behind the bench

pa.rangersfan


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:25 pm EST

These officials have been as bad as the Rangers PP. Can a real Donneybrook be far behind?

chet94


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:22 pm EST

BTW.......you can turn this game off.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:22 pm EST

I would think Simmons should get a suspension of some sorts. Hopefully McD has a broken jaw and not a concussion.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:20 pm EST

Pa.rnagersfan - Mine began long ago...Too many players not playing up to potential...Poor chemistry..Poor strategy on PK and PP...Coaching is as big as a problem as the players

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:20 pm EST

Yeah, clearly McI was not needed in this game?! Start the AV countdown.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:20 pm EST

Where is the heart of this team? Step? Zucc? Staal and Girardi are a joke.....The coach sucks....Happy Saturday

rngrsans


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:18 pm EST

That was textbook on how not to kill a penalty. Glass moving so the Flyer could shoot instead of maybe trying to block the shot and then the wondertwins letting the 2 Flyers camp out in front of the net.

DOUBLEN


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:17 pm EST

The officiating in this game is an absolute joke

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:16 pm EST

Regardless of all the mistakes the refs are making...McD is out, probably concussion and we are playing with 4 1/2 D! This team is really bad!

rngrsans


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:16 pm EST

Quality down-low defensive effort by #5 & #18, when does the countdown begin on this Coach?

pa.rangersfan


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:16 pm EST

And now the customary PP..goal against a horendous PK unit..

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:14 pm EST

JFC - We disagree 100% on this ..No way in the world Wayne Simminds is gonna thinlk one iota about anybody during that sequence of events...MCD puled a dirty crosscheck..Simmonds was pissed and he was gonna do something...End of Story......I also don't believe Dylan Mcilrath is gonna deter Wayne Simmonds ffrom doing much of anything.at anytime...Other players yes, not Simminds...But I sure as hell want/wanted Mcilrath on the ice for retribution and protection

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:11 pm EST

The Simmonds hit was borderline late also. With our luck, Mcdonagh will get 10 games, Simmonds none.

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:07 pm EST

Whether Wrath would have been on the ice at that time or not is not the point...what happened the Stepan got his ribs broken? THAT is the kind of response that a punch to,your CAPATAIN's face should elicit. Simmonds was steaming mad at the Miller hit and was looking for a change to,get revenge....and there was nothing to deter him either....no second thought about what a guy like Wrath would do....if notbrightnthen, then later in the game.

JFC31


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:03 pm EST

anybody having issues connecting to Hockeystreams.com today?

Jerry_Garcia


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:02 pm EST

way to start the 2nd rangers! Horrible backchecking by Fast....Kill the damn penalty please

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 2:01 pm EST

So MCD is concussed . Some dive.

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:46 pm EST

I love ho ou idiot announcers say they didn't see a slash by MCD, but fail to mention the slash by Simmonds before the punch

puckyou


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:40 pm EST

Who is going to score the Flyer PPG with less than 1 minute remaining.

DOUBLEN


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:37 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Exactly

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:36 pm EST

Dylan would not have done anything as he would not have been on the ice at that time.

DOUBLEN


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:34 pm EST

Mcilrath wouldn't have done anything or prevented anyting in that incident...But I would love to have him for the rest of the game

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:32 pm EST

Isn't having Tanner Glass in the line-up so supoosed to deter this things from happening. Have no clue how MCD got 4 minutes.

DOUBLEN


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:32 pm EST

Honestly, MCD was as cheap as Simmons..He deserved what he got...Doesn't mean you don't protect him

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:31 pm EST

If Wrath had been on the ice, Simmonds or some otherbFlyerbwould be bleeding right now. But, who cares, right?

JFC31


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:30 pm EST

Remind me again why McI was not dressed for this game? Some coach.

chet94


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:30 pm EST

Yeah, who needs McIraith?

JFC31


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:27 pm EST

RDW - No prob, Boyle will take care of him..!

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 1:26 pm EST

Cheap shot on McD good thing Klein can go after Simm....oh wait, he has a broken thumb!!!

RDW


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:40 pm EST

this coach is really asking to be replaced by showing nothing new like what he's doing is the utmost in coaching.....the results are not his fault, unless they win.....another talkerella blamer.....the way he's going with 32 games left is leading to him not being here next season, and that will be his own fault if that happens.....blaming won't work......with many here including me who can't listen to his bs, imagine how the players feel hearing it day in and day out over 3 years....recipe to go deaf......he better prove me wrong.....otherwise mfred will be right this year, and that's a rare occasion.....

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:35 pm EST

WIOSA: AK27 never figured out the purpose of hockey. To score. He could but he often seemed more interested in skating 200' shaking 5-players and making them look stupid, go around the back of the net and head the other way. Spent too much time hitting my head against the chair in front of me (was a ticket holder in those days) asking everyone around me and them asking me, "where the hell is he going?" Most maddeningly and frustrating player to ever put on a NYR jersey. Most skilled player I've ever seen put on a NYR jersey with the exception of perhaps TGO. Yet, I still have his jersey... I should've burned it or buried it. But then I. Would've dug it up because I knew at any time he was going to break out.

E


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:27 pm EST

Win one for the Nasher!

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:24 pm EST

what has boyle done to not get a day off ? especially against this pos team......he's in there for the pp?.....what are they 2-40, and when was his last goal ? .....that's a great game plan...i bet he thinks they are ready....he heard them thru his office door say so......way to go mute cockknee.....

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:22 pm EST

Definition of insanity stevie...

RF4L


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:22 pm EST

Eventhough I knew Mcilrath would sit for Klein today, it still pisses me off..and makes part of me say screw this team..Boyle has done nothing for over a month and a half...boggles the mind...oh well

Hospo


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:21 pm EST

Add Minnesota to the possible Yandle destination list. Brodin out for 6 weeks with broken foot....

RF4L


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:19 pm EST

@AGrossRecord AV confirms Kevin Klein in for Dylan McIlrath. Henrik Lundqvist in net and, of course, Tanner Glass in for sent-down Jayson Megna...............that should fix the pp and pk right veendontknow-gotago.....keep trying the same thing over and over again, expecting different results......

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 11:10 am EST

Hospo....as a German i have to call it like I see it 😎 There is no CUP this year and McI will sit again and when he finally gets in after 20 games his coach will say he's average because he's not playing enough. He's starting to wear thin on me.

MelvilleFred


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:46 am EST

stevie: How many average games has Boyle had? Not many. Most are just plain lousy. AV loves him tho! Pressboxing McI is the easy way out for the coach. No wonder this team is putting up some many mediocre periods of hockey - the veterans never face any accountability from the coach.

RF4L


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:44 am EST

Watching some Pack highlights today and man do they give up a lot of odd man rushes. They did win 5 zip last night. Ryan Graves scored - shorthanded when he was trailing the play and bounced on the rebound. Tough to get a read on players via highlights alone but Tambellini on a couple of goals he scored looked good. Rangy and mobile with soft hands. He scored an empty netter last night, giving him 12 goals and 19 points to date. Modest numbers for sure but at least he is putting up some numbers - 20 goals is possible which isn't bad for a rookie. Hope he can build on that and take the next step next season (be a go to offensive player for the Pack). To me that's where he needs to take his game if he's going to be an NHLer - I don't see him as a bottom six player at this point.

RF4L


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:39 am EST

If KK is in, it's a guarantee McI is out.

RF4L


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:34 am EST

Klein’s replacement, Dylan McIlrath, did not impress Vigneault on Thursday. “That was one of his more average games than the ones we’ve seen prior to that,” said Vigneault, who blamed it on a lack of playing time. Jayson Megna, called up for the Wild game because of Minnesota’s speed and skill, was sent back to Hartford on Friday, as Vigneault opted for Tanner Glass to face the Flyers........so the solution probably is scratch big mac against the philthy cryers.....and wait for hank to stop giving up softies and breakaways , so he can tell the coach it's ok to play uncle raanta who is now van winkle raanta ............

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 10:08 am EST

“...We’ve laid some eggs on the road, no question,” defenseman Marc Staal said after Friday’s practice at the Madison Square Garden Training Center, which concentrated heavily on special teams, another area of deep concern for the Rangers. “We just haven’t had very good efforts,” Staal added. “It’s definitely something that we’ve got to fix. You can’t get away down the stretch without winning on the road. It’s something we’re aware of.” The Rangers, in second place in the division, lead the sixth-place Flyers by seven points. But the Rangers could have much more of a cushion if they were better than 9-13-3 on the road compared with 18-5-2 at home. Oddly, last season the Rangers set a franchise record for road wins by going 29-11-2. And that broke the mark they had set in 2013-14 when they went 25-14-2 in coach Alain Vigneault’s first season. “It’s a real good question,” Vigneault said. “[Today] is a big game. It’s a divisional game, a conference game. We need to step up as a group.” Since the start of December, the Rangers are just 3-10-2 on the road after Tuesday’s 3-2 loss to the Devils at Prudential Center… Also, left over from Friday’s practice, here’s Vigneault discussing the Rangers’ power play and penalty kill issues. Of note in the long quote is the part where he identifies that, in the past, the Rangers could count on, among others, Ryan McDonagh and Marc Staal to win their one-on-one puck battles and be able to clear the puck quicker: “Both our power play and penalty killing, this is a result-oriented business and the results aren’t what we want them to be,” Vigneault said. “Our guys are working extremely hard, off the ice there’s a lot of video, a lot of internal discussions trying to get on the same page. With our execution on the power play, obviously, it has to do more with the puck. Penalty killing more to do with four-man presses. When you get a one-on-one battle, if you win it, the puck is down the ice and you’re spending less time in your own end. That was one of our strong suits before - Marc Staal going into the corner and winning his one on one, Ryan McDonagh winning his one on one. Right now, for whatever reason, a bouncing puck, we’re coming up on the short end. The last two we had to kill yesterday, we didn’t give up anything good. Hopefully we build off that and take it to Philly tomorrow.”..................video and internal discussions .....try practicing it more , and stop hoping.......try growing coach and getting involved in the lockeroom. you call them boys, make believe they are men, and the results don't give you a clue as to what YOUR problems are......you are no knute rockne except for maybe a similarity in ..."For all his success, Rockne also made what an Associated Press writer called "one of the greatest coaching blunders in history."[20] Instead of coaching his 1926 team against Carnegie Tech, Rockne traveled to Chicago for the Army–Navy Game to "write newspaper articles about it, as well as select an All-America football team."[20] Carnegie Tech used the coach's absence as motivation for a 19–0 win; the upset likely cost the Irish a chance for a national title."......you've blown 2 chances.....and are working on strike 3....you're out......

stevielegs


Sat Feb 6 2016 9:38 am EST

So Calvin Klein is in ?????? WTF!!!

rangerlou


Sat Feb 6 2016 7:54 am EST

RDW, HOSPO ,YORKIE...there is no denying AK's skill level. In fact, I think that made it worse. I mean most people who can appreciate the team don't expect a Fast or a Lindberg to be a power forward, score a fistful of goals and assist on others. We can see that theyre giving their all and they don't possess that skill set. However, when you see the guy has the skill set to handle the puck like the opposition are just speed bumps, go to the net with impugnity, and score some impossible goals, then you expect him to play the team game and produce. Not Kovie. Keeping him around was like having a constant reminder of what you could've had. THAT is why I couldn't stand the guy. He shoudlve played tennis.

WIOSA


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:20 am EST

Sorry, he was #4.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBrttASsk0

RDW


Sat Feb 6 2016 12:11 am EST

Not sure if anyone has said this yet but I remember during my travels through Canada I caught a "Most Talented Players Ever" on TSN. I remember AK27 being #2 and The Great One" being the first person that talked about him. Doesn't always translate to the ice but you can't deny AK's talent.

RDW


Fri Feb 5 2016 10:05 pm EST

Is it 2013...I'm watching Cally, Stralman, Boyle and Hags....but they're all wearing the wrong jerseys...

Shaggy


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:47 pm EST

MELVILLE - Jesus, what a defeatist! Yeah, I know, you're just being a "realist"..:)..Maybe..I'll wait till at least the deadlijne before i consider giving up on a Cup run

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:36 pm EST

I forgot who said it but someone once called Kovy a River skater if you put him on a frozen river he would deke the hell out of everyone for miles

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:49 pm EST

Hospo.....you don't have to worry about winning the CUP this year. Hope for the playoffs.

MelvilleFred


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:47 pm EST

If McI sits tomorrow I'll puke. Wait I better get the pail ready because that will be the AV play. Get our PP guy in there.

MelvilleFred


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:41 pm EST

another stupid nonsensical "trade post:" ... (guess they didn't like the deal) http://nypost.com/2016/02/05/flying-penis-thrown-at-new-zealand-official-at-trade-deal-protest/

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 4:34 pm EST

E, LMAO on Kovalev, glad to see Im not the only one he had speaking in foreign tongues....HOSPO, never could deny AK's mad skills, it was his production..maybe he'll show, maybe he wont.

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 4:31 pm EST

YORK: but anyhow... And don't ask me to explain it. Go look it up for yourself. The comment was made by AV when discussing bring Paille up to speed. So whatever the 25% is I have no idea. His comment was basically that hockey is hockey and it doesn't take too long to bring someone in and get them up to speed. I happen to agree with him.

E


Fri Feb 5 2016 4:05 pm EST

E, 1) not sure why you're getting so defensive I wasn't attacking you and I said exactly what you said I guess you weren't paying attention because I said it's all forechecking they just come up with fancy names 2) offense has very little system outside of what happens during faceoffs because with the puck that is the only time plays are drawn up, other than assignments once the puck is lost, systems are based on what happens without the puck on the forecheck and pressure. When I refer to AV I refer to his reliance on the stretch pass for offense and breaking out, he at one time had a very fast team compared to most and were good at anticipating recovery of the puck in the defensive zone and were slipping up early and with said speed got a jump on the D and were breaking out, that however is not the case any more and where is one of the places they are struggling? Their own zone and breaking out which are system based. His D system is falling apart right now in the defensive zone for a number of reasons. You made a smug comment so which are the 25% of teams playing the same system and which are the 75% who aren't?

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 3:34 pm EST

WIOSA: damn you for invoking the AK27 card. I thought we were friends. YORK: thanks for the hockey lesson. I'll invoke AV on this one: 80% of the systems are very similar, maybe different forechecking strategy depending on where the puck is. There are little variations depending on line, and opposition. But don't go off on an x and o's tangent. It ain't that complicated. People get too much into systems trying to demonstrate hockey IQ but the game is still played on instinct, set breakouts, set faceoff plays, and looking to exploit personnel advantages. And then it is on coaches to get their shifts and match ups.

E


Fri Feb 5 2016 3:28 pm EST

Walt Tkaczuk out for 2 weeks....eye injury...... http://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/04/sports/tkaczuk-out-for-2-weeks.html

TradeStar28


Fri Feb 5 2016 3:08 pm EST

mf: Given how well Gaudreau has played maybe he made Hayes better? Again, it's early in this kid's career - look how long it took JT to figure things out. It's Kreider that I've grown impatient with....

RF4L


Fri Feb 5 2016 2:34 pm EST

Doesn't Hayes have a history of playing well with his buddy Johnny "hockey" Gaudreau at Boston U? .... Hayes must have been doing something right.... Maybe he or the NYR should watch some of those tapes? Naturally I looked over Calgary's roster to see if there was anyone that might interest the NY Rangers had the Flames been interested in reuniting Hayes with Gaudreau, nothing too exciting there...... Gaudreau is listed at 5'9" 150lbs, perhaps Hayes should have MZA on one of his wings? ...... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CGY

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 2:25 pm EST

Hospo: From what I can see there is nothing on the farm in terms of forwards. I like Ryan Bourque but clearly he is, at best, a fringe bottom 6er. Adam Tambellini appears to have the most upside but he's not ready and undoubtedly will remain in Hartford for the entire season. Hopefully, next fall he shows clear progress. He seems to have some nice raw tools. Outside of the Pack, Buch appears to be a legitimate bluechipper, but no one else strikes me the same, although I did like how that Finnish kid looked at the WJC. Gropp isn't overwhelming me stat wise but I'm reserving judgement because I've never seen him play.

RF4L


Fri Feb 5 2016 2:21 pm EST

Let's see, Megma returned to AHL because as AV says, need Glass more against the physical Flyers..OK, I buy that.....Next, looks like KLEIN will be in tomorrow, does AV need the more physical Mcilrath against the Flyers or Boyle?

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 1:47 pm EST

WIOSA - Agree about how good Leetch was and he deserved the MVPbut disagree on Kovalev..I really think he gets shortchanged amongst the Messier worship..Messier was the Leader and indeed legendary but Kovalev was out of this world good in those POs, even being used on a quasi defensive line..Hell, thank God for all of them! Well, except for The Human Punching Bag Nick Kypreos! :)

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 1:43 pm EST

DCIGolfer: see 2/11/2016 ........ http://www.darkstarorchestra.net/tour-dates ........ (I'll buy the 1st beer)

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 1:22 pm EST

Hospo..I do remember we would not have won the playoffs had it not been for Kovalev., However strange as this is to say, I felt our best "forward" on the ice for that run was Brian Leetch...LOL...I just always felt everytime he took the ice, I saw him jump on, I felt we would be ok. If Graves, Leetch and Messier were on the ice, I felt all was ok. Kovalev made me hold my breath. He did do good, he was excellent..managed to keep his flakiness in check. I give him that.

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:45 pm EST

OK, KELIN has a fractured thumb and is taking part in UNRESTRICTED practice?...Injuries starting to hit everywhere..Pitt...Philly...NYI.....Dam, winning the Cup is such a grind....Depth is so important...Hopefully ,SKEJI and Graves keep making strides down in hartford and whoever is their best forward(s)...One guy I'm surprised has never been recalled is the ex-BJ Gibbons that we signed in the off-season..Pickins pretty slim down there

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:31 pm EST

WIOSA - I absolutley LOVED KOVALEV but I also totally understand your viewpoint on him becasue, in total,, what a waste of talent he was for the NYR!...BUT..and it's a HUGE but...no matter how it was accomplished (keenan?? Messier???) Alexei Kovalev was arguably the best forward DURING THE POs of that CUP ride..Whether he was playing with Mess and Graves or Sarge and Matteau, Kovalev was a physical beast with basically unmatched skill..And for that run, he played a straight forward game without the AK27 dipsy doodles and brain farts.He was flat out amazing....For that, and what the team accomplished, he deserves to go down in Ranger lore IMWO.....Unfortutnately, we only saw that player occasionally over the next few years and too much of the maddening Kovalev that you hate...And it wasn't until he went to PITT where that Kovalev could shine with the run and gun Penguins................Why I'm wasting the space here on Kovalev is because I also see some simialrities with KID KREIDER...When he's on and playing straigh forward hockey, he can be a scary beast that can play with and agasint anybody...Unfortunately, like Kovalev, he doesn't play that way too often.......Obviously has a problem with self motivation OR self confidence....It would be great if he had a mentor/ leader type (Messier---LADD??) and a coach that could push his buttons....Otherwise, his potential may always go unfulfilled

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:22 pm EST

E, I followed Kreider since he got out of high school and one thing he enjoyed while in college was just being a beast amongst boys and he was able to get by on sheer talent where as Miller discovered you can't do that at the NHL level, the question is will Kreider realize it?..............................WIOSA that quote leads me to believe AV is bringing Wrath along slowly like I said in my long post this morning regarding his minutes and use.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:19 pm EST

E I agree on Hayes and Kreider, especially Hayes but you have to cut bait eventually or you end up with Hugh Jessiman part 2. Hayes to me is like you said a guy with pond hockey skills but lacks what it takes to be more unless he somehow figures it out. AVs system is not just built on speed he's married to the homerun pass and trying to sneak behind the D, but teams have gotten smart to that now. Also teams and the league have adjusted to his system which is also why it's not working as much this season. The other problem is the D is coming up short this season namely Girardi Stall and that is not helping the cause either. To also say 25% of the league plays AVs system is being generous they play a form of his system. The trap is just a fancy word for forecheck to describe a certain kind of forecheck, bottom line is the question is what 20-25% of the NHL is playing the same system or similar and which 75% isn't? You also have to base your system on your players, you can't play a speed game with guys who skate like pylons for instance but you could try and fail. I am wondering if the deep playoff runs were less about AV and more about not having Torts whipping them constantly and the freedom they got from AV in that respect but too much freedom leaves the inmates running the asylum

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:11 pm EST

E, To answer your question - NO. I don't follow minor league hockey either, so I cant say ive weighed ones performance against another prior to joining the Rangers or during their stint with the Rangers. I don't really have a problem with Hayes. I do think he has a more layed back approach to many things, ubt I have seen him produce on the ice, and I really cannot complain about his progress. Kreider is another issue. Kreider reminds me - in style and disappointment - of another Ranger from the cup team..Alexei Kovalev. I hated Alexei kovalev. He just seems to be in his own world and on his own team. He will always be a promise of things to come and a small sampling. Nobody you can count on. Of course, this is, JMHO

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:10 pm EST

E - Good post! I totally agree with your sediments about Kid K, Hayes especially and the Rangers...Doesn't mean we are right, but we do agree!

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:06 pm EST

Sorry the last quote was about Dylan by AV

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:06 pm EST

WIOSA: curious, is there a historical precedent to make you believe that Hayes is underachieving or Chris Krieder for that matter under AV? Because in my eyes, both guys are what they are. I'd put more validity on Chris Krieder who clearly has turned into a tire fire this season for reasons I don't understand. But he is still very young and has a lot of tools and time to start putting it all together. Frankly, with Hayes I don't see it. Like his brother I just don't think he's that good a player. Too much dangling and holding the puck and not turning it into scoring chances. And his stats seem to confirm it. The eye test definitely shows it. He has some good raw skill and ability but that boy has to start playing with a purpose. I'm not ready to punt on either one, but I don't think I can draw a line that states that they won't tribe under the AV system. Especially in the case of Chris Krieder who just looks to be having that dreaded slump year. Where everything goes wrong and the more you try the worse it seems to get. It happens. I'm not exonerating his performance. More so, I see it likely as more of an abberation then the norm for him. Summer cannot come soon enough for him at this point. A lot of people get stuck on the AV system as something unique in hockey when it isn't. Yeah, they wanna play fast. That's their MO. Quick transitions, aggressive forechecks and whatnot but 25% of the teams in the NHL like to play this way. And with the lead the New York Rangers play the 1-4 better then most teams in the NHL. So, it's not the system. Maybe the mix ain't right. Could be. But that's on management to fix. Right now they aren't the sum of their parts. And when they are pulling in the right direction they seem to find interesting ways to put the gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. I'm still bullish on the New York Rangers. As of late I see a lot more right then I see wrong. Problem is, you could say the same about a lot of the traditional cellar dwellers.

E


Fri Feb 5 2016 12:05 pm EST

“You’ve got to give a lot of credit to the Hartford coaches who coached him for three years,” Vigneault said after the team’s morning skate at Madison Square Garden ahead of tonight’s matchup with the Minnesota Wild. “They really improved the skill level, not only his skating but his puck handling and his shot. With us, the more he plays, the more experience and the better he’s going to get.”..AV. Yes, that is our point too coach. SMH one of us is nuts

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 11:43 am EST

Regarding Bozo Brooks article about trades...Who said Jeff Gorton had a mandate to protect the future rather than obsess over the present? Would that be Larry Brooks who said Zed is Dead? I haven't heard it anywhere else.....Some of the youngsters have a decent night and they squeak out a victory agasint a team playing like shit and now they're the nucleus to ride off into the future? did you watch the Devil game LB? Or some of the games before the break? Gorton should have a mandate to put out the best team possible, try and win the cup every year especially when it's doable in a conference full of parity AND being smart enough to know what kids to move or not move...But I guess it's pretty easy to say screw the present and let's try and win the Cup in 2024 if you think the team is dead

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 11:30 am EST

VIC - I'm glad the third line had a good shift or two in the first period....Which makes it even worse when they, especially HAYES, suck most of the rest of the time..And for them (hayes or lindberger) to score NOW almost seems to take a cosmic confluence of events....Nd it's about production, not looking good....I'd trade Hayes' ass in a heartbeat for an equally talented young player of a different sort...Hayes doesn't seem to make it at wing, hates to get hit or play a dirty game despite his big body...and as a center, is worthless on FOs and defense and holds the puck way too much..Doesn't really seem to fit in despite his huge talent..Except on the PP when there is open ice

Hospo


Fri Feb 5 2016 11:16 am EST

Good morning Wall - I am bringing my hour long sports talk(comedy) radio show back on the air in Orlando, FL and I am looking for a Hockey correspondent to have on periodically to discuss the state of the NHL and the Rangers. If anyone has an interest in joining the show reach out to me. It's named The Benchwarmers and you can contact me at bbliven@thebwlive.com Buttman bashing is encouraged!! LGR!

DCIGolfer


Fri Feb 5 2016 11:09 am EST

Evets again since you seem to be having trouble dealing in reality. I have called many people out for a face to face maybe you haven't been here long enough to know. I can be a bigger prick in person. So since you're dealing in fantasy only not the reality that I prefer to deal with lets drop this as for calling you stupid I didn't I said they're all stupid posts if I make one it is stupid I'm excluding no one. It's fantasy to put up trades if it were as simple as saying we want this guy for that guy trades would be made every day. For the record if I make a stupid post and someone tells me I'll reflect on it and think was it then tell them to get their shine box.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 11:05 am EST

York: I don't disagree that health could be the only concern for McDavid - that's how good he is. He plays at a high tempo and isn't afraid of the high traffic areas, so contact is inevitable. As a junior save for a broken hand courtesy of a stupid decision to fight, he stayed healthy so that's encouraging. Regarding the Oil as a team agreed again that a solid and established d-man is probably their biggest need. Imagine Ryan McDonagh on that team? He's exactly what they could use. In terms of leadership, it's starting to come from McDavid - before he got hurt it was emerging and in the 2 games back, he's clearly been the straw that's stirring the Oiler drink. It may be too late this year, but assuming McDavid stays healthy, look out for them starting next year.

RF4L


Fri Feb 5 2016 10:53 am EST

NYStranger...I dunno about AV. I would say Kreider and Hayes are not faring well under him. Hayes - as others have pointed out, needs someone to really sit on him, from what I see. Kreider? I don't know..I cant accuse him of not trying, just not succeeding. I think Dylan is coming along great, he has an ability to jump right in, no matter how long he's been sitting. It's hard to say

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 10:35 am EST

Evets...lol, you do have an enjoyable command of the English language. That said, your initial fantasy trade is a fantasy indeed, there is only one team that would even consider that deal, and it's US.We don't have Ovi otherwise, we'd do it. We make some of the most bonehead deals in the NHL. We have to be in the record books somewhere. I cannot tell you how many people want to deal Nash - our one legitimate scorer and hockey purist, for you-name-it. I wouldn't mind seeing Kreider dealt, or even Hayes..I just don't want them dealt for a 40 year old who will 'guarantee' us a trip to the promised land this year. Please no 'miracle' deals. ALL ,we sure have an interesting 5 games coming up. Flyers, Pens, Devils, Kings, Hawks...hmmmm Im cringing..it's like watching a slow moving train wreck. Im trying to be optimistic...key word is TRYING

WIOSA


Fri Feb 5 2016 10:30 am EST

I think AV has not been good for this club. I was on the fence when he was hired and now I think I am anti AV. This team was poised for a deep run regardless of the coach the last couple of years. We will never know how another coaching option would have turned out but AV'S hands off style sure is not working well right now. His turn the other cheek mantra and vanilla playing style sucks imo.

NYStranger


Fri Feb 5 2016 10:28 am EST

YORK... you should note, that you referred to my post as "stupid." You started this as you start a lot of nonsense on this wall with the condescending way that you refer to what other people have to say. The "hiding" that you do is what all cyber bullies do... hide behind words with the knowledge that you'll never have to say anything to anyone's face. But you're right... this is going nowhere fast. In all reality, I do respect your opinion and think you have lots of insightful things to say, however, if I disagree with something you said, I don't think I'd ever passive-aggressively call your opinion or post "stupid." You can't say whatever you want about whoever you want without getting called on it.

evets1980


Fri Feb 5 2016 10:08 am EST

I've been watching Mcdavid since he came back and before and the last couple times I watched him score he reminded me of someone, our own Rick Nash when he decides to go hard to the net with the puck. The big difference is Nash's release is a little earlier than Mcdavid but they both love to dangle the D and when Nash used to go hard to the net they looked very similar kind of sad that Nash has lost that desire

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:46 am EST

VIC that is my worry as well, I wonder if Hayes would have been better suited with Torts as a coach someone who would ride him and not let him float. I don't think he will ever have the wheels Mcdavid has, but he can improve and it just seems like he didn't work on improving anything this off season. So the question is which is the focus of the org is it married to AV and his system and will they just try and try to fit square pegs into round holes, or will they jettison AV and find a coach who is more hands on and will hold players accountable, because this team feels like the rangers team of the dark ages where no one was accountable and guys were showing up to collect a paycheck.......RF I know Mcdavid is the real deal I just wonder if he will survive to carry that team, or will he end up a cautionary tale? I don't think the Oil are going anywhere for now, they lack the D depth, they lack leadership and that no how to win IMO. Those are very important things, look how this team willed themselves into wins when they should have lost over the years that comes from experience and leadership.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:44 am EST

Ha ha! Ducks ahead of the Kings last night and Kopitar is taken out with a clean hit so along comes that thug Lucic to crosscheck the Duck and end up in the penalty box. The Ducks subsequently score on the PP. Sutter not happy on the bench. LOLOLOLOLOL. That's what you get when you have a suckhole dickface in the lineup. LOLOLOLOLOL. I hate LA.

RF4L


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:39 am EST

Evet you can now go back to cowering if you so choose.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:38 am EST

EVET it's funny because you're the one who started with the insults talking about my supposed delicateness well, when thrown back in your face I am now a bully LMAO now you talk about hiding I have never hid not once maybe you havent been around the board long enough to remember or know about some requests for face to face discussions with certain board members. This is going no where fast but next time you decide to insult someone take your dress off and man up and expect an insult back and don't whine like a baby after the fact calling people a bully.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:35 am EST

york: McDavid is the real deal - and only 19 and a rookie and coming off 3 months of no hockey. Did you see some of the moves and passes he made last night against the Sens? Geesh. 5 points in 2 games. And Darnel Nurse who I think is gonna be a superb top 2 d-man one day, pounded the crap outa some Sen in the 3rd period. There is so much talent on that Oiler team - they are going nowhere but up and it'll be McD leading the way. The Prince got the win.

RF4L


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:34 am EST

I'm going to have to apologize to everyone in advance, but... YORK: I know it's probably really difficult for you, but you should try to not be such a condescending douche. You're just the type of bully who finds solace in the anonymity of the internet, relishing in that anonymity as you direct your mean-spirited, patronizing, and arrogant drivel toward other members of this community. That being said, I will congratulate you on your vast knowledge of the sport of hockey and of the Rangers. Clearly, henceforth I will cower in the shadow of your brilliance.

evets1980


Fri Feb 5 2016 9:00 am EST

I would consider including either Hayes or Kreider in a deal but not for an aging veteran. I am thinking something larger - like one of them and Yandle for say Matt Duchene. Just an example...

RF4L


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:46 am EST

JT Millers breakout is a great reminder of how these kids needs time. It's not at all unusual that it takes a god number of years for a kid to get there. Someone like Ryan Callahan as the same. When did he move out of the avg 3rd lineer category? When he was 24-25? Something like that.

Ola


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:38 am EST

On the game last night.....I stayed away from the Wall because I was watching the game about 30 minutes behind for most of the night. I knew there was going to be some angst here with the way the game started but really the Rangers did not play a bad game last night. The first goal came off of a mishandle by STAAL. It happens. The second goal was scored on the PP when HANK never saw the puck. The Rangers were down 2 to 0 but weren't playing badly and there was 52 minutes left in the game. Folks need to calm down a bit IMHO. After that point the Wild really didn't have many scoring chances for the rest of the game. The Rangers did a great job of tightening up, eliminating mistakes and playing in the Wild's end. MILLER was fantastic again. His confidence is so high now it is all just coming to him so easily. No overthinking. No worrying. He is just playing and it is fun to watch. As for the rest, I've already said the 3rd line was probably their second best line last night. They were good all night and STALBERG has really grown into a good 3rd liner. I like that line and would keep it together. They are getting some chemistry now and are creating scoring chances. I didn't think anyone played poorly last night. And I did want to compliment BRASSARD as I thought he played a really good game with MILLER. And FAST, did a lot of the dirty work for that line.

Vic


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:30 am EST

HOSPO: If you didn't watch the first period you should go back and watch it. The 3rd line was the only line playing. They had a shift where they spent the entire time in the zone getting chances. They came off the ice and the Rangers got scored on. Their next shift they did the same thing and reestablished momentum for the Rangers, only to give up a another goal on the Wild's PP. For the game that line was solid and HAYES was good on the little PP time he had. They might not have scored (LINDBERG was robbed and they generated several quality scoring chances) but they definitely were a big part of turning the game around as just about every shift they had was a positive one with a lot of Offensive Zone time. YORK: I agree with your comments about HAYES' talent and I've said many times that the only thing that hold him back is his skating. This year he hasn't driven to the net like he did last Spring. But both of those things can be worked on. He will never skate like McDAVID but he can improve much the same way that BRIAN BOYLE did. He desperately needs someone like MESSIER to kick his ass in gear. Someone to badger him and make his life a living hell to get him to turn it up a notch. But I really don't want to trade him away only to see him blossom in a year or two and become an impact player for someone else. The tools are there. The organization needs to find a way to push him to become the player he should be.

Vic


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:12 am EST

York- to borrow a line from a while back, dude I think Evets is a guy!

_Arc


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:11 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/jt-miller-stays-hot-rangers-defeat-wild/c-278316726?tid=277894336

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 8:06 am EST

I would not trade Miller, Buch, McIlrath, and am reluctant to trade Kreider and Hayes... If a team presented a trade offering, ears are open and interested, never know if someone is willing to overpay at a point in time....... Me thinks it's prudent to give both Kreider & Hayes until next years trade deadline to continue to develop and hone their skills... The risk of losing them and watching them succeed vs any perceived drop in trade value between now & then is worth the risk of giving them the additional time... jmo naturally

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:57 am EST

I like Ladde but no way would I give up any combination of Miller, Buich, Wrath for him. This team needs a future you do that and I'll join RF in saying the future is doomed

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:51 am EST

Well of all the guys on that prospects list the only guy I wouldn't want is Riley Tufte projected to be a Rick Nash LOL no thank you.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:49 am EST

Anaheim has won 12 of their last 16 since Xmas, and it looks like a win win for both the Ducks & Penguins in the stupid nonsensical Hagelin / Perron trade.......... http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/02/05/perron-getzlaf-lead-streaking-ducks-past-rival-kings-4-2/79862420/

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:32 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/02/04/american-teens-nhl-draft-prospects/79839998/

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:20 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/02/05/rangers-trade-must-happen-just-not-a-future-mortgaging-one/

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 7:16 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/02/05/j-t-millers-goal-surge-has-gone-from-hot-to-awesome/

mf


Fri Feb 5 2016 6:29 am EST

I said it a couple weeks ago anyone wanting to just move Wrath up to the top line is rushing things a bit, this is a kid that most had written off last year, he's a guy that some said wouldn't make the team this year, and he has done what many said he couldn't but he's not ready for top line minutes, not yet, It's one thing to be facing the third and fourth lines on a regular shift and another to be facing the top two lines, or the top line every time you step on the ice. I think people forget this and just thing oh so and so has a great plus minus he is hardly ever on when a goal is scored etc, but the question is who is so and so on the ice against shift in and shift out. McD didn't start out playing top line when he came here, he played third pair, second pair, then first pair. It went fast but he did progress. Wrath has the odd shifts where he faces the first or second line and he has done well, actually he's done really well, but that doesn't mean he's ready for a regular shift every game. That's a way to destroy a player, which got me to thinking all the bashing of AV about Wraths min well the question is how many min are the third and fourth lines taking on the opposing team? let's just say 30 min combined between those two lines which is being generous because the top two offense lines usually eat up about 35-40 min of the game, but now you have to cut that number in half because there are only three D pairs and four lines and you come to a rough estimate of about 13-15 min per game to face those lines. Wrath falls into the 11-21 min mark per game which puts him around the right amount of ice time to give him min and situations and not overwhelm him against the leagues best guys and brings him along slowly. Does this excuse AV completely? No, but it explains more than most of us, myself included would like to admit in terms of his handling while he is playing. No excuse for why he's sitting so much in the press box, but his handling of min per game comes more to light IMO. With that said by seasons end he should be more than ready and proven he can move up in the rotation and have more meaningful min and replace Boyle on the second pair, and here is where we will see what AV really thinks. I for one don't believe for one second no matter how well we perceive wrath playing by the end of the regular season will AV go with a rookie on the back line come playoffs if he feels he needs to use his supposed best players now, that thinking will be like a wall come playoff time.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 5:36 am EST

Anyone catch Mcdavids return goal, my god the kid dangled two D at one point with one hand and then undressed the goalie. The sad part is Hayes has those same soft hands but lacks the upper end speed and the desire to go hard to the net and finish the way connor does but he could have similar plays if he thought about going hard to the net instead of peeling off all the time and playing keep away.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 5:30 am EST

HOSPO it's hard to get more than an assist when you don't want to actually pass the piuck, Hayes is worse than Kovy when it comes to giving up the puck and he doesn't have half the skill set Kovy had. I know everyone is afraid of moving this kid for fear he turns things around, but I think its time to start thinking about his whole body of work as opposed to 3 months because this seems to be more of his MO than that hot streak...............RF I have to think AV feels forced to have Wrath and he seems really have an ego and will not use him out of spite unless he has no choice no matter how well he plays.

York18


Fri Feb 5 2016 5:24 am EST

EVETS there are trade boards, there are fantasy boards for all that garbage, but I guess some are just not capable of actually talking about what's really going on on the ice so it's easier to just play make pretend. You ever notice OLA, Myself and a few others don't do it? I guess it's because we can actually talk about hockey not play make pretend, I guess we can drop this since it's not going anywhere and you can go back to playing with your barbie dolls and her dream house and playing fantasy with the rest of your life.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 11:09 pm EST

Girardi with 23 minutes and Boyle with 21. McI with 11. Gawd AV bugs the crap outa me sometimes.

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:57 pm EST

evets: 'Delicate sensibilities'....lolololol....love it. There ya go York - now I finally understand where all that anger comes from...

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:50 pm EST

Glad I didn't turn it on until the 2nd period! Pretty boring game..Pretty much a one line affair for the Rangers..Another night with a punchless PP...BUT...they didn't quit.....They came back from a two goal defeceit, they played some pretty decent team defense, and they held on to the lead...Baby steps...Lazy Hayes with 1G in 28 games..absurd for somebody with so much talent..

Hospo


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:33 pm EST

DOUBLEN, of course they will, in my fantasy trades all players teams will also eat 90% of their salary for this current contract and their next freeing up tons of money for the Rangers to get other players =)

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:00 pm EST

It is a shame the we can't do better than Fast with Brass and JT. On another note. The PK scares me. They seem to be less aggressive in pressuring the puck than the last two years. Packing it in too much. Also as someone mentioned the other day, our Dman seems to stand in front of the screening forward leaving him alone with Hank. I don't get that strategy.

stepunmytoe


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:51 pm EST

In the pre-season, I thought JT Miller was going to be "the new Poo", with Brass & Zucc. When Nash comes back, that line should be put back together. Put Nash with Kreider and Step. ZUCC has absolutely no chemistry with Kreider, who only seems to finish when there's an a empty net. I still think he should be trade bait.

JFC31


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:33 pm EST

York... Hockey is a sport for fans... it's supposed to be fun and entertaining. I happen to find trade speculation and coming up with wild trade scenarios part of the entertainment. I don't think I am the only one. If you don't find this aspect of "fandom" to be fun and entertaining, then there is no need for you to engage with it in any way. You need not comment on posts that make such suggestions and certainly not refer to them as "stupid." I'm really sorry if my fantasy trade scenarios are an insult to your apparently delicate sensibilities.

evets1980


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:31 pm EST

Yup, they're all stupid and nonsensical....

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:29 pm EST

YORK: Will those trades work under the CAP :)

DOUBLEN


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:23 pm EST

Evets here is the point here are some trades I think will help Hayes kreider girardi for OV and stepan stall tambellini for mcdavid and Boyle and a first for karlsson from Ottawa that should cover most of the problems.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:14 pm EST

York... that's why they are called "trade fantasies" and not "trade realities"... Beyond that, it's pretty well documented in the media that Columbus would like to move Hartnell and Rychel had requested a trade from the team. I only added Atkinson because there were rumors that the Rangers were interested last deadline.

evets1980


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:09 pm EST

You hope your vets play their way out of slumps but there comes a time when it stops being a slump and reality has to set in that they aren't going to turn that corner and you have to figure out some way to move them. Even if you get little to nothing for them it essentially becomes addition by subtraction.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:08 pm EST

Why would Drouin be that expensive?

RDW


Thu Feb 4 2016 9:06 pm EST

I'm curious for all these stupid trade fantasies what makes you think that 1) these players are available 2) they want to deal to the rangers 3) they want what you're offering?

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 8:53 pm EST

Despite the outcome of this game, the Rangers need a shakeup. Here are a few trades that I think would help (some I've mentioned before): TRADE SCENARIO # 1: Kreider, Lindberg, 2 b-level prospects, and two picks to Columbus for Scott Hartnell, Cam Atkinson, and Kerby Rychel. TRADE SCENARIO # 2: Kreider/Hayes and Yandle to Tampa for Jonathan Drouin and Slater Koekkoek.

evets1980


Thu Feb 4 2016 8:38 pm EST

Seems like half the league's scouts are at this game. There were two from the Winnipeg Jets; two from the Tampa Bay Lightning; one from the St. Louis Blues; and San Jose Sharks;, as well as reps from the Buffalo Sabres, Columbus Blue Jackets, Arizona Coyotes, Florida Panthers, Dallas Stars and Philadelphia Flyers.

DOUBLEN


Thu Feb 4 2016 8:24 pm EST

Pat Leonard on NHL Newtork today said a bunch of teams are scouting this game....Winnipeg, St.Louis, Tampa Bay, couple of others I cant remember

JFC31


Thu Feb 4 2016 8:11 pm EST

Holy baby Jesus. Two goals in 1:20

rangerlou


Thu Feb 4 2016 8:05 pm EST

3 hits in first. Staal and Girardi liabilities . Zero offense. Hard to watch. MCD just scores, but they still suck

puckyou


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:57 pm EST

KIS.......you are correct. Can't trade anyone, cap constrained aging goalie and nothing in the minors.

MelvilleFred


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:55 pm EST

This team is in a free fall nose dive. I have a bad feeling wee are going into the dark ages again

KIS


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:36 pm EST

I cant take this Team these announcers and this Coach!!!! Staal looks like he is on crack. Girardi looks on vacation. Hayes is w waste of SEMEN. And the rest of this team look like a deer in headlights. PULL THE PLUG MAN!!!

rangerlou


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:36 pm EST

I cant take this Team these announcers and this Coach!!!! Staal looks like he is on crack. Girardi looks on vacation. Hayes is w waste of SEMEN. And the rest of this team look like a deer in headlights. PULL THE PLUG MAN!!!

rangerlou


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:31 pm EST

This f'in sucks....Staal needs to be traded....he is done and possibly so is Girardi. Or move G down to send pair and have Mc D and McI as 1st pair????? This is so unbelievable ........Leadership is earned and so is trust in your coach...they have tuned AV out all year

rngrsans


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:30 pm EST

Great start.....think I'll watch the wheel of fortune....

MelvilleFred


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:29 pm EST

1 Sog? They had 6 sog and scored twice? Please let's talk to Hank about moving to a contender and tear this down.

WIOSA


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:27 pm EST

It really is TIME to fire the coach!!!

rngrsans


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:26 pm EST

Good lord Stall is looking horrible

chet94


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:16 pm EST

Called it.FU@KING UNBELIEVABLE

rangerlou


Thu Feb 4 2016 6:55 pm EST

Who you going to call?....slumpbusters ....

stevielegs


Thu Feb 4 2016 6:48 pm EST

Sam Nosen just said that The Wild are is a SLUMP!! OhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhBOY. he has cursed us!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Feb 4 2016 4:45 pm EST

Sather said in an interview that he stepped away from the negotiations because they were not going anywhere and a new voice (gorton) was needed to make the deals happen and actually they don't reek of sather he has always been known as a shrewd negotiator and even insulting at times that's why certain GMs won't deal with him in trades.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 3:48 pm EST

MF: Ok, so lets say you could get DROUIN for a package of KREIDER and HAYES (just for the sake of argument. I'm not saying either team would agree to it). Is that what you want? Does that make the Rangers better? Or lets say for the sake of argument that the Oilers agree to trade DRAISAITL for a package of KREIDER, HAYES and McILRATH. Does that make the Rangers better? I would argue that it does not make the Rangers better right now. Maybe down the road it does if DRAISAITL or DROUIN develop into 100 point superstars. But it doesn't help them win this year because it weakens the team from a depth perspective. So you aren't going to get a young player with upside without seriously weakening your depth. You might get a MARLEAU for KREIDER and draft pick but they would have to do something else to fit him under the Cap and that kind of a deal is the wrong direction for this organization.

Vic


Thu Feb 4 2016 3:42 pm EST

york: Where did you see that? Everything I read about the MSL deal involved Sather, including quotes from Yzerman in his dealings with MSL and Sather. That deal so reeks of Sather (as does the Yandle acquisition) that if Gorton was involved, it what as Sather's puppet.

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:28 pm EST

RF sather admitted to stepping aside for the yandle trade and the msl

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:24 pm EST

Vic: because style & strengths vary from one individual to another, and a team may feel like we need some of that on out squad vs what we got.....

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:24 pm EST

Hospo: Agreed but so far that's all AV has done to try to rectify the ongoing issues: Bottom 6 tweaking (and equally wimpy, using McI as the 7th d-man). It's part of the problem - a coach that for whatever reason refuses to make any veterans accountable.

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:22 pm EST

york: Well you say Gorton engineered those trades, other disagree. I don't know what to think BUT Sather was the GM and was on the draft floor and was talking with the Oiler and Duck GMs and the latter was quoted as saying he overheard Sather talking about Hagelin and discussed WITH Sather about acquiring him. Furthermore, since Sather handed over the reigns to Gorton, Gorton's transactions have consisted of signings only. As I've said several times on here, I'm quite curious to see his first trade - it may tell us exactly what he's thinking with regards to the future (i.e. give up more for the now vs the opposite). If you're correct and he did orchestrate the Yandle/Talbot/Hags moves I strongly suspect under Sather's direction supervision, especially the Yandle deal. That one reeks of Glen Sather's desperate moves to capture a cup before he retires.

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:17 pm EST

Idiotic to bench Glass for this floating turd Megma...Glass is about on of three forwards on the team that hits and forechecks That was painfully obvious the other night against the Devils..And it's not that I think Glass should play every night, he shouldn't, but not for an AHL stiff..

Hospo


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:14 pm EST

Time to make some serious moves. Between Kreider, Hayes, Stepan,one has to go. Current team has all the makings of one and out — if they even get in. Not a lock. And nothing Vigneault says gets through.

jakey


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:22 pm EST

And GLASS was named the healthy scratch tonight with MEGNA in. I'm assuming that NASH is still out as well.

Vic


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:21 pm EST

RF4L: When I heard the "brain trust" was at practice today my first thought was that they are trying to shake up the team. It is a not so subtle attempt to say "time is running out on you guys and if something doesn't change quickly we are going to have to make some trades".

Vic


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:19 pm EST

YORK: I understand what you are saying as far as maybe moving KREIDER and HAYES but I'm hesitant to do that. For me, STEPAN and BRASSARD are what they are. They are good players but neither is great and both are maddeningly inconsistent. Neither is going to be anything more then they are at this point of their career. On the other hand, both HAYES and KREIDER still have a chance to be much more then they have been so far. Their upside is higher then either STEPAN or BRASSARD. Plus, STEPAN and BRASSARD are expensive players that I don't expect to every outplay their contract. HAYES and KREIDER are still inexpensive and can still outplay and outproduce their contracts. The only way I move a KREIDER or HAYES is in a deal to get back a player with the same high upside as they have. But then why would another team want to make that trade if they already have a player like KREIDER or HAYES unless that guy is also underperforming?

Vic


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:09 pm EST

They, was supposed to be, "Rhet". :-)

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:06 pm EST

As for Nash, a yr or so ago when he made a comment that there is a life to be lived after hockey, I thought, OK, this guy has enough money in the bank, and he isn't leaving his comfort zone for a silly trophy. After all, its just a game right? Nash has the skill to attack the defender, burn a defender, use his body to drive the defender where it could draw double coverage and dish it off... And if his linemates don't find the open lanes as a result, get him new linemates.... Too bad he's hurt, he's not untouchable to trade in my book.... RF, Nashville ? Nash & Girardi for Weber & ????? Yeah They, I said Weber... :-)

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:00 pm EST

RF I would think after watching gorton make trades who has been helming the ship on those for mentioned trades gorton was at the helm you seem to be in denial because its easier to blame sather and hope.things will change

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:00 pm EST

mf: If they're not upset, they are idiots. I'm sure they are but as we've said numerous times, the cap in general and job for life's love of NMCs has Gorton handcuffed in terms of what might otherwise be obvious moves. There are possiblities but they'll take guts (ie moving Kreider).

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:58 pm EST

I said before Nash played one game for the rangers I Love watching him play just not for this team. He will frustrate the hell out of rangers fans and sure enough he has.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:58 pm EST

Hospo: LOL...sorry dude. Just being my realistic self. Besides, I don't want job for life engineering anymore trades. He's been fleeced in his last 3. Retire already you old relic...

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:56 pm EST

Hopefully, the NY Rangers Brass "are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!"

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:24 pm EST

On Nash: I agree with much of what E wrote yesterday, but Nash has been dead to me ever since that Flyer series when their goalie (Mason? Emery? one of those) was returning from a long injury absence and Nash didn't attempt to drive the net even ONCE. Unscreened wristers from 40+ feet out was Nash's 'thing' that entire series. (And the next. And..)......

LeoS


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:18 pm EST

RF4L - Such a Kill-joy! Let's hope it spurs something!....BTW, I watched some of Pitt and FLA the other night...and TB bay last night (there top 3 lines looked real good)..and all seem to be putting it together a bit........Montreal otoh, wow, they are playing like crap..

Hospo


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:10 pm EST

Probably means nothing in terms of imminent trades. Maybe it's by design to try to shake up the team?

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 11:34 am EST

Oooh, Moe, Larry and Curly Joe together in the the stands! The intrigue! The Buffoon from Banf-f-f-f-f probably giving marching orders..On the serious side, who knows, before trading they have to decide and know the extent of the injuries and acome to a consensus on how much they like and think they can get out of two huge underachievers like Kid K and Lazy Hayes..

Hospo


Thu Feb 4 2016 11:30 am EST

How can someone stickhandle and shoot with a broken thumb? I don't get it....

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 11:04 am EST

AV normally runs full morning skates. Trade winds brewing? Just getting the cigar off the golf course and out of Palm Springs in winter is shocking enough.

puckyou


Thu Feb 4 2016 11:02 am EST

Klein at practice in regular jersey-taking wrist shots

puckyou


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:49 am EST

Chomps and the fish come down to watch practice means they are not happy with the way the team looks and AV watching from the stands? Is he another coach who doesn't run his own practices.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:43 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1m1 minute ago Slats joins Gorton and AV in MSG stands to observe. Not a daily occurance.

puckyou


Thu Feb 4 2016 10:32 am EST

You know who could really use Nash? The Predators.

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 8:02 am EST

I think Nash is a very good hockey player and more complete than many gave him credit for. At times, from an offensive standpoint, he plays at an elite level. At times. The times when he doesn't far out-number those he does. Therefore, what he's not is someone who can carry a team, at least not with any reliability or consistency or more importantly, but counted on to come thru in the clutch. He needs another (or two) top 6 players in the lineup. He was offered the contract he has not based on what he'd done at the time as much as where it was perceived he'd take his game. Sather acquired him with the same mindset - if he could score 40 goals on a team like Columbus where he had no one to play with, what could he do on a legitimate PO team? Alas, he's produced in NY at a pace similar to what he did in Columbus. At 31, you ain't getting anymore. SImply put, he's overpaid. If this season plays out like it looks like it will, IMO if there's a market for him, that market should be seriously explored this summer. He'd probably do well in St Louis where Tarasenko is already established as a primer top 6 talent.

RF4L


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:55 am EST

York then there are almost no elite players in the nhl. i think gaborik is an elite offensive player , he too has good and bad years. I'm not sure players who are paid elite money and not performing has to do more with them, or with the team and the coaching staff. You remember the $80 mil nyr roster , and what they accomplished...almost zilch. Why because they signed holik and wanted him to be their #1 center. and on and on with other players....putting square pegs in round holes does not make a TEAM...... not does it help any individual player....the nhl has turned guys into mercenaries, because teams cannot keep the guys they want and need , and fit them under the cap......undermining the concept of a TEAM, in the name of parity bs.....what's next everyone gets the same or similar salaries based on some financial concept imposed by the nhl?.....how can Edmonton keep all those #1 picks for 10+ years?......the only way i see is by the nhl expanding to get the cap up....or wake up and have a luxury tax.....screw parity or give all the teams a cup like they are trying to do with young kids in school playing sports.....heard a comedian say someone asked the score which was 10-3, and a parent answer it's fun to fun...his answer was i guess one had fun 10 times and the other 3 times.....

stevielegs


Thu Feb 4 2016 7:10 am EST

Stevie elite means consistent and Nash is not consistent forget consistent month to month everyone gets hit and cold but Nash has cold years not cold streaks and that's why he's not elite. As for AV he has lost this team and I think they have lost themselves in the process. In a the years this team has won they had two three things an identity, leadership, and sound fundamental defensive pkay. With Torts they were the black and blue shirts when AV came they were the high flying bkue shirts now what are they? Nothing describes them other than. Heartless which goes to leadership. I stated from the start msl leaving left a huge void valiquete stated that the locker room isn't right AV has a hands off approach in the locker room and this team looks lost. They need to bring in a leader they had cally Richards msl now they seem to have no one.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 6:05 am EST

York you know most of what i think about Nash. He's an elite hockey player. But he's far from playing elite this year, and has not been elite in the playoffs. This year he's become dick rash running back to the bench every chance he gets. What bothers me is the coach has most of his roster playing sub par and potential, and he doesn't seem to be dealing with it. Right now anyone is tradeable to me if it improves the run for the playoffs and the cup this year, including Nash. I like you i assume would rather see the nyr get Gaborik back instead. and maybe the coach would spread his offense so teams don't key on 1 line. This season is pointing to a coaching staff with lack of urgency and intensity, and the players are on that page. To have a pk and pp this pathetic falls directly on the coaches more than the players. To be this far off compared to last season with 33 games left, puts the focus directly on veenyo . it's way past time for him to shit or get off the pot.....right now he looks like he's shitting the bed and smoking too much pot......

stevielegs


Thu Feb 4 2016 5:43 am EST

“We need to be more assertive to push them to an area where we want to and not become so passive when they get into their structure, continue to try and force them to make plays with a little bit of pressure on them,” McDonagh said following Wednesday’s practice. “We worked a little bit on taking the puck out of their hands, be a little more assertive at our blue line trying to take the puck away from there or force it down where we can create a battle on the boards.” The Rangers’ power play has been even more frustrating, converting on just two of their past 39 chances over the past 14 games.

stevielegs


Thu Feb 4 2016 5:12 am EST

E because you said you want to scream and say did you see the way he came behind and lifted that stick and stole the puck etc on defense? Yeah he does do slick things like that but that's not what he is paid for. Do you think Hags is worth 7 mil per year? Because what you're describing is Hags style of play, great defensive hockey and forechecking. Nash is not here for that, nor was he brought here for that, sorry but a 7 mil a year third liner is something to scream about.

York18


Thu Feb 4 2016 2:26 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-trade-dominoes-will-fall-once-jets-decide-what-to-do-with-byfuglien-ladd/

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 1:07 am EST

Lunqvist & Stepan for Bishop & Stamkos (only if we can sign Stamkos) ...... Hanky Buddy, no state income tax down there, instant raise....... Since we don't know how much Yzerman is or isn't sweating this one out, it's worth a ponder... imo

mf


Thu Feb 4 2016 12:46 am EST

just starting to read todays posts....... Some early comments... The Klein hit seemed pretty routine, plenty of guys don't get hurt from that hit.. Was it really that dirty???? Oh, and yesterday, we're looking for an agitator,,, is Carcillo in game shape? He'd be perfect......... GORTON, doesn't say much some say here, well its my experience that when these types do talk, it pays to listen close and remember what they say.... Gorton said at or around the draft that the Rangers can not and will not trade away their picks frivolously... I believe we drafted 7 kids this past draft......... tbc

mf


Wed Feb 3 2016 11:35 pm EST

RF: I hear you... YORK: I think my point let itself out the front door because it isn't sure what you are arguing...

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:25 pm EST

E: I get what you're saying about Nash, but he's getting all those dollars because his primary skill is supposed to be goal scoring. He doesn't do it enough and if a redo was possible, there is no way he'd be making the money he is. JMHO.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:11 pm EST

E it's not about picking my own guy the comparison is just bad Nash is not an elite level player Lidstrom was he will go down as one of the best Dmen ever, Nash will not go down as being one of the best of anything. Like I also said it would be all well and good if Nash was making 3 mil and was brought here to be a third line defensive player but he wasn't and isn't he makes 7 mil and was brought here to score goals and he doesn't and isn't doing it with any consistency.

York18


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:50 pm EST

With Klein down we are bout to get some real questions answered. Does AV hate McIlrath as some have mused? Now we'll know. Can he handle the minutes? Now we'll know. Some have gone as far as to state that McIlrath will completely change the attitude of the New York Rangers. Now we'll know.

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:27 pm EST

Okay York, you can feel free to pick your own guy. I'll stick with Lidstrom for the reasons I stated.

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:22 pm EST

E let's also not forget you used Lidstrom who was just perfect position wise and did all the things that go unnoticed as you said but while doing that he also racked up serious offensive numbers for a defenseman, actually serious numbers by most standards scoring 80 points. Using Lidstrom was a horrible comparison because while Lidstrom was brilliant defensively, he was a force offensively and didn't disappear won the Norris 7 times, four stanley cups nominated for the Norris I think like 10 times huge difference between these two guys

York18


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:41 pm EST

E you're 100% right and if he was making 3 mil a year and he was brought here for that then great but he wasn't. He makes 7 mil a year and is playing like a third line defensive player not the first line goal scorer he was brought here to be. That's the problem with Nash I could give a toss about his defensive game I don't want him to win the selke I want him to win the Richard because that's the guy this team needs in order to win you're talking about him like he's Steve yzerman when he adjusted his game to play two way hockey only difference is how many things does yzerman have and how much heart.

York18


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:26 pm EST

who's sitting if sta-megna is up ?

stevielegs


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:00 pm EST

sMegma recalled? Such is the depth (or lack thereof to be more specific) of the Ranger feeder system. Sather sucks.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 6:51 pm EST

As if he Rangers were't exciting enough, they just recalled Megma Man from Harttford!

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 6:46 pm EST

EVETS - I like the idea and target...But two things..think you are under estimating the price the Rangers would have to pay for those 2-3 players..and, despite his offensive potential, I would give up HAYES before KREIDER if I could..Both have had their struggl but Hayes seems to play a one man game..JMWO

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 6:43 pm EST

My thing with Nash gets into this, "he's supposed to be xxx" arguments. I don't necessarily disagree with people on it a lot of the time but I'll state this. I think a lot of the more casual New York Rangers fans do not appreciate his game. I love watching him play. Much in the same way I loved watching Nick Lidstrom. Just text book fundamentals, smart play, the little nuances that people do not see all too often. The game within the game so to speak. Thats where I enjoy watching Nash. I'd love for him to get his scoring touch up again but his play in all three zones is so refined. And then of course when he is in the mood he can get pretty testy out there. Every time I see him being ripped for something I find myself screaming, "yeah, but did you see that stick-lift from behind, played off of the players inner blade right to his blade while he transitions to his stick without ever tripping the guy?" Thats the stuff that people miss. The, 'he just mugged that guy with the precision of a pick-pocket working the Vegas strip.' Its not sexy stuff, its just timely skill. When he does something like that people don't understand that the moment you put a stick thru the legs and it touches players are preprogrammed to sell it as a trip. Thats what people miss. Thats what I love about watching Nash. A guy who has a serious hockey IQ.

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 6:40 pm EST

As reluctant as I'd be, I wonder if adding someone like Scott Hartnell might be the spark this team needs. He's on pace for a 57 point season and may add that extra grit and fire this team needs. It might be a good idea to expand a potential deal with Columbus and try to add Atkinson and maybe Rychel. Now, to facilitate a trade like this, to avoid moving guys like Skjei, Buchnevich, Graves, or high picks, the Rangers will have to move something of value. I think that valuable piece is KREIDER. Kreider, Hayes, and Miller are all up for contracts this summer and the Rangers can't afford to keep them all. Miller is emerging so he should be going nowhere. Hayes is a highly intelligent player with a good skillset and I think the Rangers would dread moving him for a long time (the way we are going to feel about Duclair). That leaves Kreider. He's got an impressive set of physical tools, but he just doesn't think the game well and sometimes forgets that he's one of the fastest, strongest players in the league. I wonder if KREIDER, FAST, a couple of second tier prospect, and a midround pick or two would be enough to bring in Hartnell (with Columbus retaining a portion of his salary), Atkinson, and Rychel. I feel like I might be ripped apart for making this suggestion...

evets1980


Wed Feb 3 2016 6:19 pm EST

playing good enough to win but not winning is not good enough.....they better win tomorrow or fish-boy will have to think out of his fish-tank.....veenyo's post game positives spin is not cutting it...a good pp and pk would....he's failing...he should play cya and get ahkneel fired or reassigned.....otherwise he will not be here next season.....or sooner.....

stevielegs


Wed Feb 3 2016 5:42 pm EST

I definitely think there is something wrong in the room, there is a disconnect somewhere. Between coach and players or groups of players. I think it's with the coach

ref24


Wed Feb 3 2016 5:41 pm EST

I had a long post this morning that got lost and I'm not going to redo it the long and short of it is this, Miller seems to have found what made him successful at every other level and is now doing it here and as TD and I always said when not if, though TD saw coming sooner LOL. Kreider to me is a very dangerous thing trade him now and he could become (Leclair, Bertuzzi, Knuble) all over again, but I just don't know with this kid. This is why you don't draft guys out of high school, it's not Jrs and not the best yard stick to measure with. Hayes, I just don't think this kid has any hockey IQ he just doesn't get it. Kreider as well, maybe its time to package these kids now before they bring back other projects like etem.

York18


Wed Feb 3 2016 5:02 pm EST

All.....right on about Dickiletti and Rosen...those 2 shitheads were going on and on about Tippet coaching his 1k game and what a great guy he is, wonderful person....blah, blah, blah......meanwhile the play is going on and on wit 0 commentary. Ridiculous. Give me Albert and Maloney.

MelvilleFred


Wed Feb 3 2016 4:12 pm EST

E - I hear you on all of that..and many of the reasons they are a bore to watch and hard to get excited about...Even MZA though occasioanlly lively has been pretty selfish and blah at times.....JT MILLER is the only forward that is fun to watch...well, him and, despite all the crap he gets, Rick Nash...And I have to admit, STALBERG has won me over as a 3rd -4th liner...The rest? floaters, crusiers, players that look for spots and pretty plays...and outside of Mcilrath and Klein, not a mean bone in any of the D' bodies...They just try to do their job "professsionally"

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 4:04 pm EST

Weren't the Rangers suffering from a lack of energy and a spark during the later JJ years and Sather traded for Avery to help address that? It worked to a certain extent, too. At least at first. Not that I'm advocating getting a prickjob like Avery - he wasn't worth the headaches and crap he cuased. Just trying to draw a parallel. If I recall correctly, while it did help turn the regular season around but in the end, that roster's lack of overall talent did them in come PO time.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 3:57 pm EST

JMHO but I believe this team is very tired and the output they gave over the last 3-4 seasons has caught up with them. They just seem unmotivated, question is how much is from giving it their all for 3 years and not getting a Cup out of it. This team especially the defense has sacrificed their bodies and all have sustained serious injuries during that time period. Reminds me of the AV coached Vancouver teams so close yet so far then collapse, coach fired and one and out in playoffs. I believe this team has no motivation for the regular season, they need to retool a few players to get that chemistry back. Trading away picks and younger players to get mercenaries and hope this team jells for the playoffs is a mistake. They need an injection of new blood, young blood...jmo.

Steve443c10


Wed Feb 3 2016 3:52 pm EST

Losing Haglin hurt us. Not just on the team. But in the locker room. Zuccarello and Haglin are best friends and kept the locker room alive.

rangerlou


Wed Feb 3 2016 3:38 pm EST

HOSPO: I've been feeling this for a while. The team lacks a sense of personality. MZA is pretty much the only consistent lively character. The team needs some irritation. Emotion creates motion. One of the reasons that I like McIlrath over Boyle (play aside) is he makes things happen. He gets the dust up. He sparks his team. That's something they need more of. It's not about his fighting. Frankly, I could care less about it. But he can land the hit that brings people to their feet. He plays with emotion. I think they just lack enough of it. The fourth line is supposed to bring energy. That's traditionally what you want. Look at the best 4th line in the game with the NYI. The moment things flatten out those guys come over the boards banging away. Not stating anything that hasn't been pointed out ad nausea but man do they ever need a spark sometimes and last night they needed it. But for as much as it's easy to look down at the NJD, for the most part they've been walking the razors edge as of late. They win/lose by a goal. They can get you into that tight game that once upon a time the New York Rangers excelled at. Now? Not really. They need personality. NHL guys on XM pointed out that Dallas is expected to be all in at the deadline. They're going for it and they want defensive production. We've got the guy in Yandle. If there was a way that they were trading partners all I can say is Rousell better be coming the other way. Pipe dream for sure but high on my list of what's missing in this New York Rangers locker room. Personality and swagger in the locker room and on the ice. I don't put that much on Valiquette's concern about silence in the locker room because in my opinion the locker room is sacred ground for players. These guys travel, eat, play together. In some cases like Lundqvist, Girardi, McD, Staal they've been together over 6-7 years. So no one knows how they deal with this type of stuff. I think the core of this team has been together long enough and won enough to know what it takes to get it back. Whether they can is another story. You're talking about a fux ton of underachieving characters in one room.

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 3:10 pm EST

rangerlou - Some of us have been saying that for awhile....Not much leadership on the bench or on the ice/locker-room....All the D-men are quiet and even keeled and some try to lead by example (McD) I guess...Nobody seems to get pissed......Ditto upfront, nobody seems willing to take the vets or kids to task for letting the team down...Hey, it's gotta be done sometimes instead of singin kumbaya...

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 3:01 pm EST

Something that caught my attention last week on Hockey Night Live on MSG. Steve Valiquette said that Rangers locker room was Quiet and no one was acting like a leader.

rangerlou


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:43 pm EST

I've been bitching about Dickiletti on here for years now. Nice to see the rest of you join me. He is by far the worse colour guy I've ever heard. Where is Bill Chadwick when you need him??? Didn't they call him the Big Whistle?? LOL...

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:39 pm EST

For as much as I loathe the quality of the broadcast team on MSG some of it cannot be helped. For example, as much as I think Sam is washed up he has been the voice of the New York Rangers pretty much my whole life. I have the utmost respect for him and would like to see him go out on his own terms. But he needs a strong color guy. And for his warts Maloney is infinitely more entertaining then Joe could ever be. In the few times that Dave was called up to work with Sam they were great. I cannot imagine for the life in me that contract aside there would be any reason to not make a change. In fact, there have been times that I've put the radio feed on and put the video feed on mute. But I'll say this. Last night on my way home XM only had the NJD radio feed. One period of that makes me wanna go to Joe Mich's house and shine his shoes and ask 1000-apologies. That was one of the most deplorable game calls I've heard in a while. You could nit-pick at any PBP. Doc Emir's vocabulary usage, The HNIC crew is a little Canadiocentric sometimes. Sam can't keep up with the game and is too easily pulled off of the game into human interest stuff. Its very ADHD............ SAM: and Girardi clears to mid-ice, turnover, puck to the zamboni door and pinned by Staal. BTW, Happy Birthday to Dick Baggard the zamoni driver. 65-years young. JOE: and what a wonderful family they are. Did you know his kids were teaching hockey to underprivileged kidsin Kinshasa? SAM: wow!!! What a great guy. And that'll do it, at the end of one the score is 1-1.

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:30 pm EST

I'd rather the Rangers eat some of Girardi's salary to make a trade work vs taking on the cap penalty by buying him out.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:28 pm EST

NN: Because all 3 are negotiating with their respective clubs. Do really think Yzerman wants to trade away his captain/the franchise player? Of the 3, it's likely Ladd will end up being dealt. You can defend Gorton all you want - I certainly am not prepared to yet. He's done nothing since assuming control, other than moving a few bottom 6 forwards around. Since October he's jettisoned Stool and signed Paille. WOW!

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:28 pm EST

Tucc - I agree but he's a cap hit of 5.5 for 4 more seasons after this. This may be another option - https://www.hockeyscap.com/buyout_calculator/dan_girardi

DREW


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:10 pm EST

Girardi has no right being on the ice at this stage. He is basically a practice cone out there. I get it, he's played allot of hockey over the last 5 years... blah blah blah. He is a detriment to the club... period. Get Mcilraith in gthe lineup and give Yandle more minutes. AV's loyalty to underperforming players is starting to really piss me off.

Tucc


Wed Feb 3 2016 1:29 pm EST

GENE_CARR- bang on about DICKALETTI..makes Rosen worse and makes the entire broadcast unwatchable...But, if there are no trades by the deadline, I won't care what they do with him because i'll quit just like the Rangersl

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 1:27 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Totally with you on the interest/engagement angle but still watch in hope that they turn their game around and make a decent trade or two!!..As for those deals you mention....Totally different case then the Rangers who have no interest in signing Yandle to an extension right now.. The Jets are still trying like crazy to sign BYFUG to an extension and , if not him, probably LADD...Ditto with TBay and Stamkos, they will do everything in their power to sign him to an extension (or maybe even win a cup with him) befor dealing him...

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 1:26 pm EST

NN: I sympathize with your feelings, but Stamcos will be a factor in free agency. He is not going to accept a trade.

gene_carr


Wed Feb 3 2016 1:24 pm EST

I forgot the most important part of my last post. If no moves are made to the roster , please if the brass has any mercy , please get Michelletti out of here. He forces me to get play by play from Danico who gives more expert insight in one game than we get from our dynamic duo in a half season. In the midst of heavy pressure in our end he will be going on about Dave Tippets coaching record. The final straw. I left the building.

gene_carr


Wed Feb 3 2016 1:21 pm EST

I am on the We Suck Bus and the losing interest bus. I still watch the games, but am not as engaged as I used to be.

DOUBLEN


Wed Feb 3 2016 1:12 pm EST

RF4L: I guess all the other GM's are also snoozing. Why hasn't Yzerman traded Stamkos already since their is a good chance he won't be resigning. Why haven't Ladd or Byfuglien been traded yet.

DOUBLEN


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:57 pm EST

RF4L - It's for the greater good!!!!!..the better they are, the longer the season goes..I really don't want the season to end on April 10th! And that's a possibility if they keep playing and, especially, coaching like chumps..

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:46 pm EST

Your determination is admirable Hospo...misplaced perhaps but admirable!

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:40 pm EST

RF4L - I do and I have been trying desperately not to give in to the dark/We Suck side for quite awhile! Very taxing!

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:34 pm EST

Hospo: You do realize what is likely to happen next, don;t you? Yandle will get hurt and snoozing Gorton will miss the boat. What the snot is that man waiting for anyways. Is he McT II?

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:28 pm EST

The injuries to Klein and Nash really suck..Muddle the trade waters big time...but Gorton snoozed, should have made a deal earlier.......Yandle ain't being trade with Klein out...and that could be all year.....Yandle needs to be played more as it stands,...Sucks losing Klein, love to have him and Mcilrath becasue they seem to be the only two D-man that have any type of mean streak in them..

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:21 pm EST

KK is injury prone it seems. Broken thumb could be weeks. Does this alter any plans Gorton has/had with Yandle? It shouldn't. Yandle needs to be traded and not for another UFA IMO.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:17 pm EST

Nash not practicing either

puckyou


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:13 pm EST

Klein broken thumb-out indefinitely. Dylan has a spot.

puckyou


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:11 pm EST

E: Fully concur - they are where they are based on their play (although one could argue they really are somewhat ahead because of all those games they won earlier in the season when the King stood on his head). Until/unless they somehow fix things, they will be fighting for a PO spot until season's end and if they do make it, they'll likely be gone first round. If that's the case I dunno what bothers me more: A quick exit from the POs and no first, but they keep next year's vs no POs this year and they keep their first but lose next year's. Is a one year retooling process realistic? If so, maybe option 2 is better. Sather's an idiot - he should have ensured that pick was always lottery protected. Job for life...LOL.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:09 pm EST

RF4L - The fan in me wanted it to be and hoped it would be better....The cynic or realist in me was afraid it was going to be the same old same old...........E - I know the Devils didn't bombard the Rangers..and they shouldn;t, they have nothing...but, to me, it was a fairly even game for the most parts with the DEVILS controlling how the game was played except, as we agree, when the Rangers playedwith fire and urgency which to me was only in the beigging and the end (and JT Miller)..Rangers need to forece their game on the other team for 60 mins, especially weak sisters of the poor like the Devils...No excuse...

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 11:57 am EST

Hospo: Did you really expect anything to change over the break? Everybody went on vacation! This team is stale and bored and needs a significant shakeup and even that is hardly a guarantee.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 11:46 am EST

I understand what you mean but here is where I break rank. They literally kept the NJD completely to the margins in the 2nd. I'm not sure they got a single quality shot off. In the first I saw very few 2nd effort shots by the NJD. And in the 3rd, they played for the most part well but seemed to have more urgency. I think it was a dumb call to challenge the interference on the NJD goal. But I think once again it was the special teams that let them down. The PK is just not good enough these days. And the offense was still cricket bows. But make no bone about it. They are their record.

E


Wed Feb 3 2016 11:40 am EST

TheRangers only outplayed the Devils last night when the yplayed with a purpose, and that was early on and then when trying to erase the 3-2 lead...The rest of the game, they just let the Devils dictate the flow of the game with their more physical play...Only exception being JT MIller...This lack of heart and stones for 60 minutes agasint a cross-rivber rivalary is a reflection of the coach and his deistre to have thios team play pretty hockey....and too many of the players are just too glad to follow suit and not really have to put in the effort that a TEAM playing with confidence requires...The Rangers are nowhere near that.....................As for the TALENT question, I agree the Ranger don't have the "stud" upfront....But they do have plenty of talent in nash, Brass, Step, MZA, MILLER, KRIEDER and HAYES...The problem is, the talent is too often floating, AV has done a horrendous job in defveloping chemistry and, plain and simple, these guys refuse to play hard enough consistently..,I still think this team has no clue about what type of game it wants to play or needs to play to be succesful...nd AV did ZERO NIL BADA BUPKIS over the break

Hospo


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:47 am EST

Rangerlou I was beginning to think that I was being pessimistic but I agree. These guys look like their ready for the season to end. Maybe some of them will bounce back next year. G man is the biggest surprise to me. He was a high end d man now he looks lost. I wonder if all the minutes and blocked shots along with all the injuries are catching up to him.

barto


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:41 am EST

We are far enough into season to make some objective observations about this team. It appears highly unlikely that this group can go to the finals let alone win the cup. They will struggle to get in and look to be one and done. I feel (no factual support) that the team has bailed on Lundquest. There sure looks like there is a rift here. This needs to be an opportunity to retool. Missing the playoffs gives us back our #1 pick. Yandle could possibly get us another in a pretty deep draft. I totally agree that the core should be identified and moves made in the off season could adsess obvious needs. I would use the off season to scout out a coaching replacement and put AV on the shortest letch for the new season. What will be will be.

gene_carr


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:40 am EST

Drew I agree with most of what you said. I think the king would wave his no trade to go to a true contender. With that said not sure any of the contenders have the room or need for him. I like the king and respect what he has done for this team but he seems to be complacent in his play kinda the same old same old. This is pretty much moot cause I don't think allot of the Rangers contracts are movable even if the players want to be moved.

barto


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:36 am EST

I have been a a Rangers fan since i developed a memory. But lets not kid ourselves folks. This tean does not have the ingredients to go anywhere in the playoffs if we reach them. And winning a Stanley cup this year is pure Fantasy.One or two players show up. The rest look like they cannot wait for an early summer vacation. We show moments of hope but seconds later we look lazy and uniterested. Girardi looks Old and tired. Staal looks like a shadow of himself.And so on. Smaller teams outwork us. Bigger teams demoralize us. There is no unity or pride on this team. There is no leaders on this team. There is no chemistry on this team. Even our coach is starting to look powerless.Last night Kennedy ran Klein into the boards and we watched like a bunch of spectators. In hockey thats a mortal sin. We get pushed around in our crease. And get beat up in the opponents crease. We have players who refuse to get those dirty garbage goals. Because that requires sacrificing your body.Our power play is out to lunch and dinner.But above all we are looking for a way to lose just about every game. And that my friends will be the very reason this team will not make the playoffs.

rangerlou


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:17 am EST

NYStranger............those are two excellent points...........especially the first one about goalies................Having Hank, even in his prime was never a guaranteed Cup !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:17 am EST

NYStranger - thank you. Also - the Rangers were able to win a good portion of their games in the Spring 2015 with Cam Talbot. I am not saying Talbot is better than Lundqvist, I just noticed that the Rangers can win hockey games without Lundqvist.

DREW


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:04 am EST

On the Lundqvist debate. Look at how many teams have won the Cup without the 'best' goalie. Now look at how many won without a true number one center. Yup.

NYStranger


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:00 am EST

I'm sorry but anyone thinking this thing will miraculously turn itself around is dillusional. Not without a big shakeup as in a coaching change and or a big trade. I am thinking it is getting to late for even that to work. I hope I am wrong but I see no reason to believe otherwise. This team was playing bad hockey even when they were winning early in the season now they just are bad. Gorton has been painted into a corner by Sather and his stupid no trade clauses and maybe Gorton himself is to blame there as well. But he better start digging the organization out of this mess now or it is going to be years of cap alla 98-2004 again. I thing the window of opportunity had closed. Recognize the problem and fix it before this drags out for a decade of more mediocre hockey.

NYStranger


Wed Feb 3 2016 10:00 am EST

Barto – I do not necessarily disagree with you. Henrik Lundqvist definitely looks like his play is degrading. Whether it’s injury, age or both, he isn’t stealing games, This is where I hope I can have an honest debate and not make any enemies on Lundqvist. First, the cap hit. I was against spending 8.5 million on Lundqvist. Firstly, I get frustrated by this moniker “best goalie in the world”. Based on what? I think Lundqvist was among the top goalies but not the clear cut “best”. I think Carey Price is just as good. I think you have to start adding Braden Holtby t the conversation. Wildcard – I think it was you that said a GM was ready to offer 10 million per year for Lundqvist. In retrospect, maybe it was smart to move on. Guys, I am not trying to express a lack of appreciation for Henrik Lundqvist. He is my son’s favorite player, my wife thinks he’s “dreamy”, etc, etc. I am frustrated that this team, I believe is a piece or two away and his contract is ONE OF the factors that limits the Rangers. Nash is the other. BARTO – we CAN’T trade Lundqvist – he has a Non-Movement Clause. (although his contract terms would make any GM shy away). I don't think the Rangers are faced with a “go-for-it-all” OR “tear-it-down” ultimatum. I think Gorton needs to convince Dolan that there is a core they need to identify. They need to see how they could realistically move pieces to build for 2017 and beyond. That likely includes Girardi and Staal. We could all (rightfully) criticize the contracts given to those players. The fact is they are here. Girardi isn’t waiving his non movement clause to go to Edmonton. Staal to Carolina is not going to happen because his brothers play there. (Unless there is a link or some sort of record of interest). I said this on another site. The Rangers are like a bathroom after someone used it. It stinks real bad. The last few years they tried to use air fresheners like St. Louis and Yandle. You could mask the smell with all the potpourri and matches but there is still that underlying smell. The Rangers need to air out a bit and usher in a new era. You can’t fix this in one season but you can certainly remain competitive and return to contention with some smart short term sacrifices.

DREW


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:54 am EST

McDavid, in his first game back in months, scores a goal and 2 assists. This kid is the real deal.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:54 am EST

Rangers now 2 points out of 9th in the east. Yikes.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:47 am EST

RF4L: Yes, on the issue of talent we have been in "agreeance" for a long time. However, I think it would be a mistake to blow this thing up. If GORTON can use some of what he has to bring in a few players that elevate the talent level for next year it may be just what the teams needs. While there is still time this year it is looking like it just isn't going to happen this year. Similar to what LA went through last year. Nothing clicked for them. Nothing fell into place. People wanted to jump on SUTTER and make wholesale changes. Well, they are back this year. I think the same can happen for the Rangers next year if this year flushes down the toilet. The key is to make the moves that will help them for next year and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Vic


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:36 am EST

BTW, I wonder what Gorton is thinking when he watches his coach do the same thing over and over and over again. Does it frustrate him? Does he agree with it?

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:35 am EST

evets: And/or McI....the dude's pure silence is maddening. I wish he'd make a move just to show us his hand.

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 9:18 am EST

I have an awful feeling that Gorton will move Buchnevich or Skjei at the deadline for immediate help. Ugh...

evets1980


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:59 am EST

ends = eyes

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:58 am EST

Vic/Ola: Re lack of top end talent. Yes, yes and more yes and precisely what some of us having been saying on here for a very very long time. Great goaltending, defense and strong team play over the past few seasons have helped mask that shortcoming but it was their downfall in the past 2 POs. It's why Sather panicked and foolishly coughed up 2 firsts for an antiquated MSL 2 years ago. It's not been addressed and likely won't be, unless Gorton is willing to sacrifice some of the now for the future and there's zero indication of that so far (mind you, there's zero indication of anything from that dude - his hand sitting routine is getting tiresome). Now with the team in a funk and the coach unable to figure out how to respond, it's become painfully obvious (to me anyways), this roster simply can't get it done. AV is embracing, it seems, the definition of insanity by continually dressing Boyle and trotting out the same PP units time and time again. Does he close his ends and tap his feet together when he does that? Go back to Kansas AV....

RF4L


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:40 am EST

OLA: I agree. And when I look at it what I see is that NASH does make the players around him better. Not necessarily as a brilliant playmaker. But he creates space and opportunities for others when the D has to cheat to make sure that NASH doesn't generate anything. But I also think that NASH isn't the kind of guy that benefits from playing with a super talented #1 Center. That doesn't really seem to impact his game one way or the other. However, the lack of a real #1 Center shows up with respect to the rest of the team. MILLER, KREIDER, MZA, etc. are not guys that can generally create there own scoring chances. Someone needs to get them the puck in a position to score. When that doesn't happen those guys look invisible or like they aren't working hard enough. But as long as they are doing what they should be doing (forechecking, driving the net, etc.) there isn't much more they can do unless someone is going to get them the puck. MILLER had two goals last night but both were goals where MILLER got himself into a scoring position and took a pass (from BRASSARD and YANDLE). If the pass isn't there are we talking about MILLER having a good game or are we talking about MILLER like folks are talking about MZA after last night.

Vic


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:31 am EST

Slats put this team in cap hell so were forced now to plug holes with 4th line talent on a bad team. I think if we got rid off all the big contracts we would see the same result were seeing now. The difference is we would be able to react to good available players that fit the mold. I don't fault AV for the most part he has been cuffed by Sather's mismanagement of the cap. Although I can't figure out why he keeps sitting MCI and marching out the same PP unit.

barto


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:28 am EST

I still haven't heard an update on KLEIN. If the wrist is broken it makes it even more complicated for GORTON. My initial thought last night was that there was no way the Rangers were going to trade any of the other D going into the deadline. But that was from the perspective that the Rangers were "going for it" again. BUT.......if this team drops out of a playoff position over the next few weeks......and if they look like they aren't going to turn this around???? Then the "right" move is come to grips with the fact that this is a wasted year. Move YANDLE, move MOORE and move GIRARDI if you can, Really there are very few that I wouldn't entertain offers for. The goal isn't to blow it up and start over. The goal should be bring back players that specifically address weaknesses so that they can compete for a Cup again next year. They need a #1 Center. A guy who makes other players better and can create scoring chances for himself and others. They need a RW who is a big, fast scoring threat. They also could use a 3rd line Center in the mold of a SHAW or SUTTER. Not saying it needs to be one of those two. Just saying they need a guy like that. LINDBERG can play 4th line Center next year.

Vic


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:23 am EST

There have been a long debate on Rick Nash and whether he just is completely worthless in the POs or maybe if there is more to it than that. Not to get back into that one or repeat it, it is quite obvious that during the regular season we are extremely thin and light offensively without him. Everyone else instantly becomes worse players when Nash isn't in the lineup and Brass, Zucc, Step and Co cannot face being the target of the other team. Solid players but not capable of that.

Ola


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:15 am EST

But, what really stood out to me watching the game last night was how little top talent the Rangers have. They outplayed the Devils but the Devils have even less talent then the Rangers. The Devils work hard though. And even with that the Rangers were the better team. But there are no game breakers. I'll ask you this.......name all of the Rangers who can create their own scoring chance and shot? Honestly, there is only 1..........NASH. As flawed as he is, he is the only guy that can create his own scoring chance. And when he isn't in the lineup you can see that talent level drop off dramatically.

Vic


Wed Feb 3 2016 8:08 am EST

So lets get to the players. While the team played a good game as a whole at even strength there certainly were guys who stood out in a good way, and in a bad way. First, JT continues to shine. Couldn't be happier for him. KREIDER was dangerous and has been for the last several weeks. He doesn't have the finishing hands that JT does but I don't fault guys when they are getting scoring chances. It is when they aren't that you have to be worried. I know some will bash HAYES again but I thought the 3rd line played well at even strength. As for HAYES on the PP, the second unit got 30 seconds or less on 2 or 3 of those 4 PPs. Very hard to do much with so little time, and when they did setup they now have HAYES in front of the goal. That is a mistake. He needs to be out in space where he can control and move the puck. That unit was having success earlier in the year when HAYES was playing on the right side and sliding up high to shoot from the high slot. I thought BRASSARD played better last night then he did in his 5 point "breakout" game. STEPAN and MZA were mostly invisible. And we can kill FAST for being in the Top 6 but he made the play that setup the Rangers first goal so what does that tell you?

Vic


Wed Feb 3 2016 7:57 am EST

OK. So after a night's sleep here is my $.02. The Rangers were the better team last night for most of the game. They lost for two reasons. First, and foremost, the Rangers went 0 for 4 on the PP, while the Devils went 2 for 2 on the PP. The second reason is that SCHNEIDER outplayed HANK. We can get into individual performances and bash one guy or another but at the end of the day those two things were the story line for that game. And I will once again make the accusation that the Rangers are playing differently on D then in the past.....at even strength and on the PK. Once again there were several times where a Devil was all alone in front of HANK with no defender anywhere near the picture. It happens EVERY game, The media and fans continually point it out to the coaching staff and players. Yet it doesn't change. That tells me they are playing a scheme where they are perfectly comfortable leaving HANK alone on an island. If not, why would it happen so many times a game since game 1 this year? I had my issues with TORTS but at least with TORTS they defended from the goal out. This year they are trying to defend from the perimeter in. It doesn't work. Especially on the PK where you are down a man. It makes it very easy to spread the Rangers out and away from the goal all while sliding a guy the Rangers can't pickup right down to the crease. AND IT HAPPENS EVERY DAMN GAME.

Vic


Wed Feb 3 2016 7:56 am EST

The defense and goal tending use to be good enough to make up for all the mistakes, now Hank seems to let in a softy every game and the team doesn't have the offense to make up for one bad goal. Special teams are beyond special and AV has no answer. This team should be playing a tight checking game instead of the track meet style that their simply not good enough at to compete. It's time for management to realize that this team is not good enough and trade away any player that will bring a good return. I know that this is blasphemy in Ranger land but if a good return can be had for the King I would move him. His cap hit and age are not worth his level of play. He use to steel games for us not any longer and his cap hit at his age is only gonna become more ridiculous. At this point anyone accept the kids I would move We have all seen this before bring in a couple guys so we can loose in the first round in the playoffs instead of doing a rebuild the right way, Stepan comments on compete level OMG can you imagine the way he;s been playing the nerve to talk about competing. If he;s are number one center were in trouble trade him before that stupid deal kicks in. Things are bad in Ranger land.

barto


Wed Feb 3 2016 4:12 am EST

It wasn't to long ago where we would find a way to win....now we just find ways to loose.

jnyr


Wed Feb 3 2016 2:04 am EST

Capped out and not good enough. Dudes making millions that cannot be bothered to put out 100% and play for each other. Frankly, I am sick and tired of watching when I put more into it emotionally than they do.

Bob


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:29 am EST

Here's some tragic news: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/russian-prospect-alexander-orekhov-16-passes-away-after-puck-to-the-neck/

mf


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:28 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/prospect-need-to-know-alex-debrincat-can-score-anytime-anywhere/

mf


Wed Feb 3 2016 12:24 am EST

They're all Ranger Fans!

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:42 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMVMbmQBug

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:24 pm EST

Hospo: I am really getting tired of all those quotes. I realize they have to face the media and gotta say something, but geesh, just do it!!

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:18 pm EST

RF4L - My bet is both..It did not look good for KLEIN and his hand.....Quote from STEP.."NYR's Stepan: “We’ve got to get ourselves hungry again. We have to be able to compete" No shit Sherlock! The lack of hunger was appallimg

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:13 pm EST

E - I honestly can't see how you can say they played well given the weakness of the opponent..and the lack of urgency and proactiveness until they fell behind in the 3rd..And the Devils just plain took it to them physically most of the night I'm not talking mauling or anything, just good physical hockey....When will they learn they have to play a little more "ugly" to score some goals?

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:05 pm EST

Wonder what the odds are on who dresses next game - Boyle vs McI....mmmm....

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:00 pm EST

All in all I think the New York Rangers played well. But this game was exhibit-A on what plagues the New York Rangers. The NJD played aggressive, taking time and space everywhere and the New York Rangers just didn't threaten enough. That's a skill thing. And remember a time when the New York Rangers could nurse a 1-goal lead to victory without fail? That's seems so long ago. Watching the progression of JT has been awesome.

E


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:58 pm EST

First, KREIDER did not have a bad game. He was hustling, had some quality scoring chances and was visible throughout. If you want him to be a wrecking ball that isn't going to happen. The league and the coach neutered that out of him. As for KLEIN, that looked like a broken wrist to me. If so there goes any thought of moving any of the D before the deadline. I'm tired and I'm going to bed. I'll post more about the game and individuals tomorrow.

Vic


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:33 pm EST

Andrei - I don't judge individual players too much on how they play during the pp---good or bad-- that is more strategy and the fault or credit of the "team" and coaches

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:31 pm EST

Sorry Hospo...I know that pain well!

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:26 pm EST

and two Pittsburg dmen ""scored"" goals tonight in a Gary Buttman-like inspired 6-5 hockey game..... sounds like a baseball score to me....

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:23 pm EST

Oh yeah...Hags got another assist tonight. !@#!

WIOSA


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:22 pm EST

Why dont we just decline the penalty? Boyle and Yandle assisted on goals tonight. So I think that makes it 16 out of the last 22 goals scored, had a defenseman assist or score. This team tires me.

WIOSA


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:16 pm EST

Hospo, game was there to be taken, but special teams is the reason on how we have lost it. 4 powerplay chances and 2 PK goals against. How you can expect Krider to score standing on front of the net, when through first 2 powerplays, Rangers had 0 shots? Only time i saw some progress on the PP, is when Hayes/Lundberg/Miller were on the ice. Thanks GOD, Boyle was not on the 1st unit. How it is time to mover Strapon off the PP as well.

andrei


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:07 pm EST

RDW: Boyle has an nmc or ntc...... Andrei, IMO, of the big contracts STEPAN is the easiest to move.... Either they get him the wings he needs or they should trade him for something that is going to help this team now.... what that is, is debatable....

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:05 pm EST

hospo ce vu play ?,.....no violence....queensberry rules ....get buried.....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:04 pm EST

Off to a great re-start. One guy scoring, the Pak a joke and another blown 3rd period lead. This group is not ready to contend for the cup.

Bob


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:04 pm EST

Andrei - let's be fair...Step indeed had an invisible game, especially in the 3rd...He's got to bv way better....but Krider also sucked and Hayes blew like he has for two months...Too many players coasting or just playing bad

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:00 pm EST

MF - Still think alot of it is by design and the type of way AV wants his team to play..I think he's been overestimating the skill of his squad all year...It's his job to demand a more aggressive involdved play instead of all this crusing and floating...Attack the god damn crease and goalie.

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:00 pm EST

Guys, you can complain how Krider is this and that, or how Hayes is this and that. Player that is killing us right now is Stepan. 1 shot on goal. 1 fucken shot on goal, again!!! 0 hits, 0 blocks. Stupid penalty he took in offensive zone. He is your number ONE center and plays point on the 1st powerplay unit. I saw Krider was trying, but plays were dying when puck was getting to Stepan. Powerplay had died since he is back from injury. Say all you want about other players, but when your number "ONE" center has ONE fucken shot on goal, playing a point on 4 powerplays... You would think, by accident, he would have a couple, but no... ONE shot... That's what you get from a $6 mil "star" player...

andrei


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:00 pm EST

If the Rangers can't make a trade due to the cap or not being able to get what they want it's time to let AV go. This isn't working and he isn't changing his game plan or switching up the lineup at all. Not sure who could replace him but at this point I don't see what else they can do. The only way I can cut him some slack is if Gorton is forcing him to play Boyle because he's showcasing him for a trade.

RDW


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:56 pm EST

Hospo, yuuppp... Too much prancing, not enough banging.... make these fuckers jog 10 miles on the beach with their fucking skates on, then they can walk home...... Time to trade someone and wake this team up... For the guys with an nmc/ntc, ask them all for a list of teams they'd accept a trade to..... That'll wake em up, and if it doesn't, they're not going to come around on this roster, so trade them.... jmnsh effin onions

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:54 pm EST

I am not gonna get all lathered up by the hit on KLEIN it really wasn't all that much...and Klein was in an awkward position...but I am pissed that the Rangers never hit anybody like that with their "Excuse Me, Sir" game..But I will aqlso be pissed if KLEIN is hurt again...Hurting the D stockpile for any potential trade and meaning Boyle has to play every night no matter what....

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:51 pm EST

MF - Kreider should be banging everybody instead of cruisng around the ice looking for open spaces,,Trying to copy Kenin Hayes and his worthless game?....I say again, too many players not playig as good or hard as thye can points to one thing--The Coach and his "strategy"...who has been inflexible and stubborn and just plain horrible this year...

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:49 pm EST

I just can't stand watching this year's team. Sickening.

jratelle19


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:49 pm EST

Pig Face Tyler Kennedy blasts Klein. And we just stand there and observe!

rangerlou


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:47 pm EST

let kreider earn the bad rep he has and send him into the paint

TradeStar28


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:47 pm EST

Nyr continue to lay out red carpet table and chairs in front of hank ... Nyr stay away from the other goalies blue paint .. They think it's wet paint...

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:46 pm EST

I cannot take being demoralized like this anymore

rangerlou


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:45 pm EST

bring back Prust......let him tell Stepan he is sorry and then put him on the fuckin 4th line and the PK.........

TradeStar28


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:44 pm EST

Kreider may be fast when he get's a head of steam going, but he doesn't hustle enough for my liking........ Listened to the Devils broadcasters, take them over Micheletti any day........... And a fitting recap of the days action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AdtR-d2HJQ

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:44 pm EST

Mfred I promised him your hundred plus mine .... Lol

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:44 pm EST

This team is truly Gutless

rangerlou


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:43 pm EST

A well deserved loss..The same exact team as before the break...AV came up with NOTHING..The sam old shit...Crappy PK....Crappy PP..Only 1 foward really playing (JT MILLER)...Nothing from Kreider, MZA and Hayes....LIndberger with another one of his moronic penalties...and The King not playing anywhere near his bloated salary...And so they lose to a inferior but harder working Devil team...........I hate, ABSDOLUTLEY HATE, how the Rangers just cruise and float..looking for the pretty play, avoiding contact....compared to how the Devils just played theor asses off and and tried to skate through the Rangers and their checks every chance they got...A fun team to watch compared to the Rangers...I'm freaking pissed at AV and these prancing jokers

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:43 pm EST

Unless there is an act of god this team will not make the playoffs. With the exception of Miller everyone should be available for trade.......

MelvilleFred


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:39 pm EST

Bad short side goal by Lundqvist, McD misses a short handed breakaway and the Devils score 2 PP goals. The Rangers continue to be the NY Giants of,the NHL....they find ways to,lose.

JFC31


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:39 pm EST

Kid k and gabby Hayes not scoring ... Hot goalie vs goalie not so hot... Put uncle raanta in ... Growing cobwebs ..

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:37 pm EST

Veenyo using pouliot logic with no results ... Howling at the moon

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:32 pm EST

let that pussy hit Klein like that? this team is gutless

TradeStar28


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:30 pm EST

Girardi on 2nd goal pathetic. Ranger Pp pathetic

puckyou


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:26 pm EST

I just don't think Kreider should be on the PP unless he just parks his big ass in Front of the goalie. He doesn't stickhandle,well, loses the puck too much and can't finish....bad combo for a PP player

JFC31


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:26 pm EST

2-39 pretty soon 5%

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:21 pm EST

No dman who can finish consistently since #2. At least it wasn't step.

barto


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:21 pm EST

Special teams nor so special

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:21 pm EST

Should see if there's any interest in Hank's ridiculous contract.

Shaggy


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:20 pm EST

Speciality teams kill us 2/2 devils on pp and we are 0000000

rngrsans


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:20 pm EST

2pp g great pk

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:20 pm EST

What'd I tell you?

jratelle19


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:18 pm EST

Capt all star ?

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:16 pm EST

Here's where the game is blown.

jratelle19


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:16 pm EST

Farnham is a punk....someone needs to kick his ass.

JFC31


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:13 pm EST

Chef Boyardi not reading the play to make up for his slow feet, Hank should have had that. Hockey has become boring to watch thanks butt man,

barto


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:11 pm EST

Wish Krieder would blossom also...JT has been great....Hayes and Krids.....not so much

rngrsans


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:10 pm EST

JT again? Wow...I hope this blossoming right in front of us and equally importantly what he's doing (SCORING) is for real...so needed on this team right now.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:07 pm EST

Dickaletti. "Blandisi turned on the jets..." BS! I could have beaten Girardi to the outside the way he skated on that play. OMG was that bad

PatrickDiv


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:06 pm EST

2nd time this game Blandisi used Girardi like a Rich Pilon. This time he scores...

PatrickDiv


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:05 pm EST

Thank hank and girardi

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:03 pm EST

I don't get the faltering PK, unless it's all part of the overall malaise with AV's team this year? Yes, Hags was a key on the PK - was he THAT good and THAT important? Mmmm....

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:01 pm EST

Jtwomiller

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:47 pm EST

Is Hayes playing tonight????

rangerlou


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:41 pm EST

Does stepan want prust back?

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:25 pm EST

Ref gives them a free timeout

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:22 pm EST

Here comes 2-38 passing practice

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:21 pm EST

2-37 pass don't shoot great pp coach

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:20 pm EST

See where is klingberg ... Who needs stempi get ren... Guess stempi didn't fit veenyos system ... Or didn't kiss his imaginary ring ...

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:04 pm EST

Well 2 thoughts...........the Rangers PK is pathetic and Lee Stempniak could not get in the ice ahead of offensive juggernauts like Jesper Fast.

Bob


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:02 pm EST

Amazing what happens when you stand in front of the net.....Step the new Ranger killer

rngrsans


Tue Feb 2 2016 7:45 pm EST

Nice to see Miller pick up where he left off...

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 7:43 pm EST

Wild: I too have pondered the AVs as a trading partner given their apparent wealth of young talented forwards. However, when looking closely there's really 3: MacKinnon, Duchese and the Swedish captain. I cannot believe they'd trade their captain and MacKinnon is likely an untouchable. That leaves Duchese, who will cost a fortune and has a large contract. McD would have to be part of the package going to the way to get Duchese I am sure.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 7:38 pm EST

mf: Issue with the AVS is that MOST of the rumors have had them trading away a young Dman for another forward...They are following the PENs style of building a team...try to outscore everyone and lean on the goalie. But I sure would try to see what they are willing to pay for a Dman. They would be a heck of a lot better with a Giradi on their blue-line. Or Klein. I had suggested moving Klein to them at the draft to create cap space. (prior to Hags being dealt) I don't know who they would want, but again, it would be worth a phone call if the Rangers are looking to move a guy.

Wildcard


Tue Feb 2 2016 7:15 pm EST

2-35 soon2-36 passing practice

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 6:54 pm EST

BTW, there wasn't really any question Boyle vs McI tonight, was there? Hell might have frozen over if Boyle wasn't in the lineup.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 6:43 pm EST

Av's lose LHS Dman Brad Stuart... Avs reportedly were looking to add D before the deadline, maybe they'll pay up for a D man... C/mark ...Wildcard... What say you? ....put em on the spot.. :-)

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:44 pm EST

Raymond sucks. Small and skilled and scared. Very scared.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:40 pm EST

Sure wish we had a guy like Stepniak on our team.

stepunmytoe


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:31 pm EST

Devils tonight at? Time to scout John Moore, I liked this guy on the Rangers......

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:17 pm EST

Boyle back in....Devils will forecheck his sorry ass all over the place....

PJ


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:12 pm EST

General Fanager @generalfanager To interested teams, Prust carries $887,097 cap hit rest of the way, Raymond would be $1.118M. Prust pending UFA, Raymond has 1 more year.

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:10 pm EST

Power play 1: McDonagh-Brassard, Kreider-Stepan-Zuccarello PP2: Yandle-Boyle, Lindberg-Hayes-Miller

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:09 pm EST

Rangers (27-17-5) Chris Kreider-Derek Stepan-Mats Zuccarello J.T. Miller-Derick Brassard-Jesper Fast Oscar Lindberg-Kevin Hayes-Viktor Stalberg Tanner Glass-Dominic Moore-Daniel Paille Ryan McDonagh-Dan Girardi Marc Staal-Dan Boyle Keith Yandle-Kevin Klein Henrik Lundqvist (23-13-4, 2.41 goals-against average, .909 save percentage)

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:08 pm EST

if available i'd take prust when it's the nyr turn .....if they can fit his pay under the crap...i mean cap.....for this season....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 3:45 pm EST

On Prust- Maybe Torts picks him up?

Brian2d


Tue Feb 2 2016 3:36 pm EST

IMO at this point in their careers, Glass is a better player. A better skater and will drop them if needed, which is quite rare these days. Prust is done, IMO. He had a nice run and is rich so really shouldn't complain too loudly. I have fond memories of him during his Ranger days, that's for sure. Remember him taking on Lucic? Holy crap, I remember yelling at the TV telling him not to do it. He held his own tho!

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 3:15 pm EST

At equal contract, I'd take PRUST also...but only as a marginal up tick right now for where they would play for the Rangers..Butthe contact isn't equal and AV probably likes Glass better..So, GLass will do.....Now, if it's John Scott, that's another story..;)

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 3:00 pm EST

VIC: I wouldn't put agitator next to Prust's name. He is an honest throwback player. Stuck to the code, took no crap and stood up for his teammates. He wasn't out there chirping and trying to throw you off of your game. No nonsense guy. I think Glass is a very good skater and as much as he earned his way out of the lineup he has earned his way back in the lineup since his send down. I think Prust earned a chance at a nice contract but he hasn't lived up to this contract. I don't blame him for signing on the line.

E


Tue Feb 2 2016 2:50 pm EST

Nothing against GLASS as he has earned his spot on this roster. However, if you asked me if I could only have one of the two (GLASS vs PRUST) I'd take PRUST. PRUST is a much more agitating player and is more difficult to play against. He is a much more emotional player as well. He may cross the line from time to time but IMHO that is needed on this team.

Vic


Tue Feb 2 2016 2:36 pm EST

Mason Raymond was also waived along with Prust...Not that it matters.

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 2:12 pm EST

Earlier today the Vancouver Canucks placed former Ranger Brandon Prust on waivers. (McKenzie) Prust is in the final-year of the four-year deal he signed with Montreal, cap hit of $2.5 million, after leaving the Rangers after the 2012 season. Larry Brooks tweets that the Rangers have "no intention" of putting in a claim for Prust. (Brooks) Adam Rotter: To some degree the Rangers have been trying to replace Brandon Prust since he left for Montreal. Brandon Prust though isn't the same player he was for John Tortorella and the Rangers. He was a fan favorite, worked his butt off and helped forge the indentity of those Ranger teams, but with Tanner Glass as a cheaper option and someone Alain Vigneault is comfortable with, there is no room for Prust.

Vic


Tue Feb 2 2016 1:46 pm EST

AK27................ “I’ll be 43 next month. I’m in an exceptional form. I train five times a week by running a full routine in martial arts. I lowered my weight to 225 pounds and I built me ​​a real muscle mass. I could return to play within a few days of training,” he told during dinner. “I give a lot to return to the game, to help the team. I would remove myself getting ready, knowing what I do. I’m not the kind of man to call for teams to beg for a chance to return, but if you offered me, I would say yes immediately, “said Kovalev.

Vic


Tue Feb 2 2016 1:24 pm EST

This NASH injury can change everything....But let's first see if the team has the heart and stones to push forward and, more importantly, if AV has a clue how to coach this year's team...........Oh, and as expected, BOYLE in for Mcilrath...

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 12:25 pm EST

Rhst those two Rebt getting better the return can only get worse

York18


Tue Feb 2 2016 12:20 pm EST

With the seasons that Girardi/Staal are having this year, you can't trade either before the summer at the earliest. Otherwise you're looking at a so-so return. The NYR should have MSL call his boy Stamkos and sell him on the joy of playing in NY. It couldn't hurt.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 2 2016 12:06 pm EST

VIC - Hayes indeed had a real good february last year then started slowing down iin March, but still fine for a rook..but basically a nothing in the POs....He still worries the hell out of me because the type of game he likes to play usually fares worse and worse as you go down the stretch and into the POs...Now, if he can learn to play a smarter, simpler, team friendly game and still use his talent--that's what we need...and that's what AV has to get out of him..

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:54 am EST

HOSPO: Last year HAYES came alive after the All Star Break. Hopefully he can do that again. The team really needs him to step up in the 2nd half of the year and provide some scoring. Their margin for error is just too thin without him and KREIDER scoring regularly.

Vic


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:44 am EST

The D is the one place I think the rangers are actually fine for the short term future the forward position I'm a little concerned about. I see buch pushing for a spot next year and that's it for right now.

York18


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:32 am EST

OK, back to the Line-up game...Though I have some optimism, withou NASH, the Rangers are not down 1 Top 6 forward but now DOWN 2 TOP 6 forwards...Jasper fast on a first line with Miller and Brass is a complete joke....and a third line of Hayes with the the two Swedes is not my idea tailor-made linemates or making sure you get something out of Hayes.......One has got to hope that, over the break, AV has come to his senses and has a plan to get this team to play smart, res[ponsible hockey that relies on defense and opportunisitic offense.....We shall see....Also interesting to see if Mcilrath goes back to the press box with Boyle "rested"..

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:29 am EST

DCI: I find it highly unlikely that STAAL or GIRARDI will be moved this year unless the Rangers absolutely implode between now and the trade deadline. Maybe not even then. And I'm not just saying that because of their NMC/NTC contracts. The Rangers have not given even the slightest inkling that they see either as part of the problem. Everything they have said and done points to the Rangers seeing both as part of the solution. And history says they are right. It would take a complete collapse and horrific play from both for the rest of the year to change that thinking IMHO. Unless the Rangers have an opportunity to pick up a difference making top line player. And I'm not talking about a THORNTON or MARLEAU type.

Vic


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:13 am EST

Yeah, I think it's a lot to ask and borderline wishful thinking to envision all 3 in the lineup next year. The year after is probably more realistic but that's so far away - plenty can happen in terms of roster moves and philsophies, etc between now and then. It's impossible to predict. What this does give Gorton is flexibility. Let's see what he does with it - so far he's been about as bendable as a slab of concrete.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 11:03 am EST

RF4L - youi know me, I rarely rush kids so I really wasn't talking about the start of next year for Mcilrath, SKeji and Graves all to be in the line-up...I could see Mcilrath from the start and maybe one of the other two has a shot...But, in time, it looks like the D may be fine..

Hospo


Tue Feb 2 2016 10:03 am EST

For Marc Staal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AdtR-d2HJQ

mf


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:05 am EST

RF4L - Especially if it means we can trade away one or two of Girardi/Staal for much needed assets up front. Get on it Gorton.

DCIGolfer


Tue Feb 2 2016 9:02 am EST

Skeji, Graves and McI on the backline next year would dramatically alter the makeup of this team - that's 1/2 the defense. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - if all 3 prove worthy it's a great thing.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 8:55 am EST

The King starting his 41st game tonight, putting him on pace for 70 games. IMO, another troubling trend. He's gonna be exhausted by PO time.

RF4L


Tue Feb 2 2016 7:01 am EST

OLA agree completely the contracts these kids have also is going to kill them. None of these kids are going to want to make less and leadership and growth are integral to becoming a winner and it seems edm does not have that at all. Quebec was smart and lucky the lindros deal really helped them getting foppa was huge and they had their young guys but had veteran leadership like lemiuex Keane Roy sakic even foote emerged as a leader............Ryan graves footnote something I left out graves also makes this team instantly tougher he will scrap and drop the gloves if someone takes liberties between him and wrath you have two guys ready to step in at any time and will keep guys a little more honest. The rangers instantly become tougher adding those two on a nightly basis if skeij makes the jump as well you're looking at a different back line next year making guys expendable Boyle one of girardi stall and one other guy I like yandle but don't see AV using him properly so maybe he has to go for no other reason but I really love him paired with wrath.

York18


Tue Feb 2 2016 5:39 am EST

York- Yeah, sometimes its so much politics involved it seems. I think EDM lives under the impression that they are about to build a legendary team and that they don't want to move any of the younger players now because they would sell them short. Instead they are ruining the same kids and will end up getting even less for them, and they are probably even risking McDavid although I think he will make it out of it, he is too darn good. But its a big risk to put him on the ice in the mess they have right now, imagine if he comes back now and get a big concussion or something? The kid have to really force it every night to get involved, and they have little structure. Injuries can always happen, but the odds for them are so much greater when you have no structure on the ice. EDM needs to do what Qubeck did back in the days, dealt Sundin for Wendel Clark, Nolan for Ozolinsh, traded for Roy and so forth. Some moves will be loopsided after a few years, sure, but the alternative is to ruin all kids basically. You cannot develop kids in that mess.

Ola


Tue Feb 2 2016 3:02 am EST

the new yogi..."...“We know how to win on the road,” Marc Staal said. “But we just haven’t been able to do it.”.....http://nypost.com/2016/02/01/unit-hurting-rangers-most-isnt-even-on-the-ice-that-often/

stevielegs


Tue Feb 2 2016 1:17 am EST

RF4L - cool...SOmetimes around here people are more concerned with being right and able to say I told you so versus having the Rangers kick ass...I know part of my "they can be a Cup contender with a top 6 addition" may be a little too fan boy hopeful and a little naive of the problems (including AV) they have had the last month, but I really do think they have a chance

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 10:58 pm EST

Geeesh Hospo - you don't know better than that after all these years? I experience no glee when the Rangers suck. None. Being right in these situations does nothing to alleviate that...

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:59 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-oilers-still-in-need-of-help-on-defense-eye-hamonic-vatanen/

mf


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:51 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/three-up-three-down-rangers-improving-puck-possession-numbers-make-them-contenders/

mf


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:51 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/connor-mcdavid-returns-tuesday-and-calder-could-still-be-in-his-sights/

mf


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:26 pm EST

HOSPO, RF: I'll go a step forward. It depends HOW they play. If they came out disjointed? No es bueno...

E


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:23 pm EST

av has the Nash excuse....among many in his cya world....

stevielegs


Mon Feb 1 2016 7:21 pm EST

RF4L - why, are you gleeful at the prospects of everybody's hopes being squashed right out of the gate?...Personally, I'll be pissed if they lose no matter how, but ONE game would never sway me to believe it's over..three in a row and I can AV's ass! :)

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 7:17 pm EST

Damn, that RYAN GRAVES is another big boy to have for the future D..Look at the youtube video halfway down http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/youngsters-dazzle-at-the-ahls-all-star-skills-competition/ for his 103mph Slapper, which would haqve been 3rd in the NHL.....Hmmm, maybe with him, SKEJI and Mcilrath, the D is in quite good shape for years to come....,,The forwards are another story but you usually trade frrom a strength to fill a need.......

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 7:14 pm EST

BTW if the Rangers lose tomorrow, will the guarded optimism I'm sensing in here be unaffected??

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 7:12 pm EST

I love the Kovie idea. Entertainment in what has been, IMO, a rather underwhelming season.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 4:37 pm EST

Caught a period of SKA vs Jokerit today (the kids were killing each other, think McSorely vs John Scott, so I didn't get to watch much), but Buchnevich played really well. Really well. He has had a bit of a hard time since the trade to SKA, but he is playing with some very good team mates and have risen to the challenge.

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 4:32 pm EST

get kovi to fill in

stevielegs


Mon Feb 1 2016 4:19 pm EST

Perhaps Nash will have mysterious pain until after the trade deadline, eh? ;-) mark Texeira missed half the year with a micro fracture.

NYStranger


Mon Feb 1 2016 4:14 pm EST

No problem with NASH out, Jasper Man to the rescue on the 1st line!..But seriously, an injury to NASH definitely will impact the Rangers trade strategy....At the least, my bet is they would wait for any "big" forward move and see if and how the team comes together...Time to step up Mssrs. Zuc, Hayes,Kreider, Step and Brassard!..

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 3:36 pm EST

Nash had a 2nd MRI today-still can't walk on the leg. No break-still saying bad bone bruise-but this sounds like it could be more serious than thought

puckyou


Mon Feb 1 2016 3:22 pm EST

Rf4L - Hey, for all the shit Scott took from smug condescending writers and announcers and all these smarter then thou fans, SCOTT was indeed an all star person........And honestly, every NHL all-star game for the last 20 years has pretty much sucked with the same old pansy adult league no-checking bull crap...At least this game had another angle......Loved Scott's response to that bozo Roenick!

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 3:21 pm EST

E/Schneid: re: Stamkos.... I belief "andrei" posted a trade scenario 102 weeks ago pertaining to him........... E: Thing is, we're not inside Stamkos head.... "IF" the Rangers do in fact give their athletes the Red Carpet treatment throughout (which helps offset some of the added tax ramifications), and playing on Broadway is appealing to him, a "Kopitar-like" contract might be acceptable in his eyes...... Therefore, if STAMKOS was willing to go "8 yrs, $10mill per, you got to go for it AND send Brassard or Stepan the other way.......... Stamkos costs $7.5 mill THIS SEASON, so we can make it work....... As for Cap Management in the off-season, we need to move one of Staal or Girardi, "pray for a $3mill or higher cap increase" and pinch pennies on every other signing...... Kreider & Hayes are playing for new contracts, as is Miller, Stalberg, McIlrath...... How much of a raise should Kreider be given? I think none.......

mf


Mon Feb 1 2016 3:12 pm EST

just wish scott beat the crap out of buttman...i'd pay to see that....!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stevielegs


Mon Feb 1 2016 2:41 pm EST

The NHL all-star game becomes a love-fest for a guy paid to beat people up. Only in the screwed-up NHL....

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 2:33 pm EST

Come on HOSPO.....you know you want to see AK27 in a Ranger uniform again! But really, what do the Rangers have to lose? Give him a two week tryout contract or something like that. Lets face it, the Rangers are going to have an extremely difficult time acquiring players with skill for a playoff run this year. Why not take a look? If he can't play or help out anymore then you let him go. No harm done.

Vic


Mon Feb 1 2016 2:15 pm EST

And how bout JOHN SCOTT? 200% Total Class over the past week, making the best of an awkward situation..and playing some decent hockey to boot! A reason why everywhere he goes ALL his team-mates love him for doing his job, the job the NHL wanted him to do...Alas, he and his brethren have become extinct in today's game...Again, he made the best of it and not a bad send off if he never plays in the NHL again!...

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 2:08 pm EST

VIC -AK27 Baby!! Bring back Pilot Boy! If only to drive NICK and others crazy!!..Alexei Kovalev is one of my three favorite Ranger from my adult days (after college) and it would be a blast to see him again, brain farts and all...I could imagine putting him on line with Hayes..They would play keep away from each other. and then try to find out who could stay out longest for a shift..! Nah, twice was enough for Kovalev! Aybody remember Tikanen III??? let's not go there..

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:57 pm EST

"As of January 30, 2016, Kovalev has yet again considered a return to professional hockey in the NHL. He referenced Jaromir Jagr who is of similar age to him as his reason to believe a comeback is possible. A team specifically mentioned is the Canadians, however no team has yet reached out to him."..............Anyone interested in taking a look at AK27 to see if he can help in a playoff run? I'm interested. With his skating ability I'd bet he can still skate well enough to play at least a limited role. At worst he could help on the PP. Maybe he even helps HAYES on the 3rd line. I'd see if he had anything left in the tank. At this point, why not????

Vic


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:49 pm EST

SCHNEID: I would not. Why trade for a guy of this magnitude that you could sign for free in July. Understand this. Stamkos is the biggest superstar to hit free agency in the modern era. And one whose game will mature in the next 3-seasons. If I'm him, I accept no trade and I would not sign any contract at this point. Nor would I wanna leave the TBL necessarily either till the end of the season. Stamkos holds all the cards right now.

E


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:48 pm EST

STEVIE - I don't like or ever read CARP anymore.. but I have been saying for months that those are the options the rangers will look at for Yandle..They only trade Yandle for pick/prospect in the case of some type of instant or delayed 3 team deal where the pick/prospects brings in a player that helps NOW......NOW is the way to go..!

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:44 pm EST

STEVIE - Which was the point of what I was saying! They got a long way to go

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:34 pm EST

NASH: Tampa is in a major bind with STAMKOS... They need to maximize return or risk losing him for nothing.... Since nobody aside from MF is tossing out trade ideas...let me ask you WALLSTERS to chime in... if you were GORTON, would you pull the trigger on sign and trade for NASH and STAMKOS??

schneidw


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:33 pm EST

Hospo no doubt the oil kids are good, but getting a cup is not easy for any team. they need defense .

stevielegs


Mon Feb 1 2016 1:32 pm EST

2) What will GM Jeff Gorton do with Keith Yandle? It’s a complex issue, for sure. Yandle could fetch a good return from a contender that needs a puck-mover from the back end. But the Rangers except for one brief period in the early 2000s, have never been sellers, and aren’t likely to be sellers this season. Thus they might trade Yandle for a rental or a player who helps them this season. Otherwise – assuming the Rangers believe they can contend, and that Yandle can help them do so — they might just let him walk away for nothing on July, regardless of the bounty they have up last season to get him. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/02/01/five-questions-for-the-rangers-in-their-final-33-games/#sthash.fHmYpi0l.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Feb 1 2016 12:23 pm EST

STEVIE - And it's also why they had been looking to trade RNH before his injury....Ditto with Yakupov here and there...They indeed can't keep them all..Hall, Eberle, Draisdall (who will have to be eventuallly also), and Mcd will cost alot of money...And Edmonton couldn't find a defense when they had to pay these kids crumbs? It can go either way, all depends on the talents of Chiarelli.

Hospo


Mon Feb 1 2016 12:16 pm EST

stevie: Those 3 are each making $6,000,000. At this point in time, both Eberle and RNH are looking at pay cuts. Hall, on the other hand, will likely be in line for more dough. That said, there are still years left on all 3's current deals. Lots can change between now and them (he said astutely).

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 11:46 am EST

wait until the oilers have to resign those kids...welcome to nyr cap hell....

stevielegs


Mon Feb 1 2016 11:39 am EST

Two other huge problems that occurred with the Oilers: 1) Rushing too many of their kids - all their high picks until Nurse were in the NHL at 18. 2) Giving the big 3 massive deals when their ELC deals expired - the proper way for most is what Sather did with Stepan - bridge deal first. Of the 3 (RNH, Eberle and Hall) only Hall has proven worthy of such a deal. The others continue to struggle to find their footing and their contracts consequently, are albatrosses.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 10:49 am EST

OLA agree completely on not being able to bring so many kids at once edm is a prime example of how that fails.

York18


Mon Feb 1 2016 10:26 am EST

york: Re one puck. Yes, I get that argument. A good GM, however, won't sit on his hands (like McT did and Chiarelli appears to be doing now) and will trade assets to address holes. The key is having the ability to acquire the assets. Sather, to his credit, did a credible job at acquiring assets, primarily thru the draft when he wasn't trading picks away like candy. The fact that he elected to use a bunch of those assets (3 of them, plus a 1st) to get Nash can be questioned of course, but at least he had the assets to do so.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 10:18 am EST

RF I agree with Ola in the Rob blake comparison. He's solid IMO can his skating be better? Yes. Do I see it hindering him? No. I said when he was in Jrs he would make the NHL and I still believe that. He's more reliable than skeij is defensively at this poimt, he has a good first pass out of the zone and doesn't panic when oressured. Uses his body but not a wrath like hitter but can paste guys and his shot is like a cannon from the point. He was the right choice for the all star game. As for arizona there is only one puck on the ice at a time and that's what people seem to forget you can have a million firsts and high scorers outside the NHL but there's only one puck on the ice

York18


Mon Feb 1 2016 10:09 am EST

RF4L: And he will probably fleece the Rangers again in the off season when he acquires GIRARDI or STAAL......

Vic


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:47 am EST

Ola: Good point - yes, veteran leadership is needed and that's one of the issues with the Oilers. I find it baffling that Chiarelli is, to date, doing the same thing as McT and refusing to part with any of his highly picked players. I can only assume that because they've struggled collectively for so long, the return is low and he's hoping as the team improves overall so does the value for individual players. He did fleece the Rangers in the Talblot deal, however.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:47 am EST

ATL if nothing else showed us just how really tough it is for a team to go from being 24-16 overall to being like 12-4 overall. Colorado right now is another example. OTOH, teams already established so often seem to surprise people with how well they can adjust and hold a position in the standings. We never see it, but ask like experts predict standings 3-4 years down the line and I bet more or less everyone of them would tremendously overrate the progress made by promising teams. 1-2 make the leap every once in a while, most fail

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:43 am EST

You can't develop 15 kids at the same time, at least not with a team starting from scratch.

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:41 am EST

Chiarellis off-season didn't impress me at all though. They need to give their kids a shot to develop in a proper environment "yesterday". Now it seems like he will gun for a steady D this summer maybe, it's a year to late. Kids like Radulov, Eberle and the likes are ruined more or less. No kid is developing well really. Guys like Lander and Klefbom, Slephyshev, and he likes should become good players but they are so far down the shit list they all look like crap to be honest. AV would get a seizure if he had to work with someone like Klefbom, these kids just have no clue what the game is about. They compete for a few weeks every year then it's just a matter of playing off a season. For like what the 6th straight year for these kids. PC took over an organization that more than anything was disasterously managed, and he haven't really changed that. Just compare how any kid in EDM is developed in relation to like Tavares. The Islanders were a disaster, but they at least always gave Tavares 4 vets that played more or less for him, and two good PMDs at all time. Strait, Vish, McDonald and the likes. They brought in Weight early on. EDM are just throwing these kids on the ice, letting them play with other kids as lost. It's horrible.

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:22 am EST

If Graves is Rob Blake II, then woooooooooooooohooooooooo!!!

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 9:11 am EST

OLA and RF4L: On Edmonton, as RF4L stated, there has been a management change there. If the old Oiler management were in place I wouldn't be as quick to bet on their future, and the future of McDAVID. Now that they have much more competent leadership in place I think we will become the team that their talent level suggests they will be. On GRAVES, the kid impressed me in the preseason. It is tough to get a read on a player based on preseason competition but he certainly landed on my radar after seeing him.

Vic


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:46 am EST

And FWIW, I predict McDavid won't be ruined. He's too good. Plus they finally have a stable management team in place - the old Oiler cronies have been put out to pasture. I wish Sather would join them!

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:44 am EST

Ola: The Atlanta example is a good one. One significant reason they floundered so much is because ownership pressured the GM (Don Wadell who knew better) into keeping his first round picks in the lineup (to help 'sell tickets'), which is one reason so many of their picks floundered. They also pressured him into some trades, the most notable being the lopsided deal to land Zhitnik. Remember that trade? Crazy. It's a rare thing indeed to see a professional sports team succeed when ownership meddles. In fact, the opposite usually happens. The best example are the Philly Flyers and that egotistical idiot Synder ensuring he's got puppets in the GM role to manipulate. I believe the only way Hextall took the GM role their was if Synder agreed to stay away and look what's happening there - they are building the right way and starting to turn things around. Hopefully, as they get better, Synder won't be able to resist and he'll start interferring again!!

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:40 am EST

york: Your point about coaches need to build a system around the players they have vs the opposite is a valid one, I think. I will say this - that thinking has always been tough for some coaches historically (re when acquiring players was easy for wealthy teams) and inevitably for many ends up contributing to why they get fired. The good coaches, like you say, adjust. AV, to date, has not shown any inclination to adjust. It may end up getting him fired. We'll see....

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:36 am EST

Graves isn't really an open ice hitter, who is nowadays among the bigger Ds? You need to skate really well to catch people, or have a 6th sense for it like Subban have. But besides that, Graves -- in terms of STYLE, not ability level -- can be compared to a Rob Blake. He is more or less complete. No nonsense defensively. There offensively. Really good shot. Moves well.

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:34 am EST

I remember when someone called me out about Atlanta, said basically there was no need to try to contend in the East in the coming years because with Heatly, Kovalchuk and the other top picks (Stefan, Lethonen, Coburn and co), Atlanta just couldn't fail. But they only actually made the POs once. OTOH, I think McDavid is a super special kid. I really wonder if EDM can "ruin" him, I am sure they could have ruined everyone else and never even remotely come close, but with McD I wouldn't at least bet the house on them failing.

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:34 am EST

Ola: In the Memorial Cup his skating didn't hinder him. He's no Hags but he's not lumbering giant, either.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:32 am EST

york: Have you taken in any Pack games? If so, feedback on Graves would be appreciated. I watched him for a few periods during last year's Memorial Cup and came away impressed. Nothing flashy and certainly no Brian Leetch, but very strong positionally and knows how to take advantage of his size and reach. He didn't put guys thru the boards but did play the body when the opportunity presented itself. And he was steady at the point in the other end. I am curious how that's transitioned to the pros, but obviously quite well - albeit the Pack are lousy but he did represent them (as a rookie) in the all-star game. What a bonus if he actually matures into an NHL d-man for the Rangers. And if so, could that be as early as next fall? Probably not given the fact that McI and Skeji are ahead of him in the depth chart.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:32 am EST

I've watched Graves some. He has no flaw and a helluva shot. Of course, mobility is always an issue for a young bigger D, but its nothing wrong with his skating.

Ola


Mon Feb 1 2016 8:29 am EST

Phoenix with 4 of the top 10 OHL scorers...future is bright over there.

RF4L


Mon Feb 1 2016 7:07 am EST

RF and the problem is it is easier to say it needs to be addressed than actually doing it. That's why I find it ridiculous when all these people post trade non sense because it is just that non sense if it was that easy trades would be made all the time big name guys would move constantly etc. It's just not that simple ....all star game wow that was horrible felt like watching skills drills at a practice no feeling of a game at all. Could you imagine baseball saying lets just play with 6 guys this year, or football saying lets play touch football with four guys? I watched the first game and turned it off. If this is all star weekend just have the skills comp and call it a day.......Ryan graves has a cannon and I have heard he's been ckocjdd higher in practice which makes sense because you're not thinking about if. His shot would look good from the point they're ankle breakers.

York18


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:58 pm EST

HOSPO: Done. RF4L: No need for wills. The Oilers will win at least 1 Cup in the next 5 years (not counting this year). So between the 2016-2017 season through the 2020-2021 season the Oilers will win at least 1 Cup........maybe more. Mark it down. Book it Dano. I'll add this to the predictions area of the RFCCJC site.

Vic


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:44 pm EST

Vic/Hospo: Can I respectively suggest you include this bet into your wills?

RF4L


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:42 pm EST

VIC - I'll take that bet, you can have the Oilers

Hospo


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:03 pm EST

BTW, put on the 'all-star' game and could only stomach like 2 minutes of it which included an embarrassing mock fight between Scott and Kane. Absolute drivel. The NHL and NHLPA should be ashamed of themselves.

RF4L


Sun Jan 31 2016 9:38 pm EST

Re lack of scoring talent. It's what some of us have been saying for a while now - this team's single biggest weakness is a lack of top six skill and why they didn't win against LA and struggled so mightily in last year's POs to score. It's not been addressed.

RF4L


Sun Jan 31 2016 9:13 pm EST

Don't know if this has been posted before............but, Ryan Graves won the Hardest Shot in the AHL skills . He shot 103.4 which is the 3rd highest in AHL history at an All-Star game .................

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 31 2016 8:53 pm EST

people get so caught up in the glamour of talent but as the oilers have proven even having number ones and a lot means nothing. it's about the right players, coming together with the right system where said talent is used for the betterment of the team not the individual. The red army of old are the best example of using talent for the team. Todays NHL doesn't allow you to build the team around your system any more, you have to build the system around your team. As your team changes so does your system adjustments have to be made and the last two coaches were so married to their systems it cost them their jobs, Torts in NY and AV in vancouver. Sather wanted a more uptempo team with more offense when closing day came and Sather talked to Torts he wouldn't budge on his beliefs and system and he was fired for it. AV is too married to the idea of the stretch pass and now that's not working. I also don't understand the whole idea of staying out of the locker room. The captains comments were very alarming to me, saying how they lost because they needed to learn how to be ready, and how to play 60 minutes? That is the job of the coach to make sure his team is ready, and to make sure they play 60 minutes and he failed miserably judging by his teams comments and even some of his own. He stated when he walked into the locker room they seemed ready only for them to come out flat and do nothing. Talent especially young talent without leadership is useless and this team seems to be seriously lacking in leadership this year.

York18


Sun Jan 31 2016 8:51 pm EST

STEVIE: Wanna bet the Oilers win a Cup before the Rangers? If you are taking the Rangers I'll take the Oilers in that bet.

Vic


Sun Jan 31 2016 6:26 pm EST

Schneid: I have no problem with most of what you are stating. HOWEVER, come off of the eye-test as I did when I saw shooting charts. The NYR generate the lions share of their shots from within 6' of the net. I didn't believe it till I saw it. So, it's my belief firmly that really your issue is skill. I just don't think they have enough of it. Or at least aren't executing. I see their situation much like it was pre-MSL. They could play phenomenal.shut you down, Lundqvist slam shut the door yet they couldn't get a goal. And they'd lose 2-1. I think that's where we are right now. Add a threat, and watch all of this supplemental scoring step up. Then we can start addressing the defense. And I do not like the mix on the bottom-6.

E


Sun Jan 31 2016 4:50 pm EST

still the oilers stink with all their number 1 picks., 6 games below .500...43 points in 50 games ..i'll stick with the nyr.....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 31 2016 4:34 pm EST

Anybody realize the NYRs are on a 11W-14L-3T slide?? That is a long losing streak and definitely concerning to say the least

schneidw


Sun Jan 31 2016 4:27 pm EST

E/Hospo/York/RF: Strange we ALL agree for the most part... The NYRs forwards, especially wingers are simply ineffective at scoring..look at the numbers all the way around for FAST, LINDBERG, STALBERG, MOORE, KREIDER, HAYES etc etc.. Look at the Horrid shooting % of Nash, Stepan, Kreider etc.etc.. They NYRs need a RW one timer for their PP and need an aggressive LW to crash the net... where do they find those type of players??? Who is available? The Trade Rumor sites are devoid of any good information..

schneidw


Sun Jan 31 2016 1:01 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m98Knl0O0Ek

mf


Sun Jan 31 2016 12:59 pm EST

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ....... Report: BUTT-HEAD gets contract extension http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-bettman-gets-contract-extension/

mf


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:53 am EST

KIS- you just touched on one of my major pet peeves with BUTTMAN and the NHL; This sport woul be so much better and have a significantly higher profile in both global and NA sports IF the different leagues in the world would interact. Like the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE in football have the top teams in the NHL, KHL, SEL, etc., in a tournament for a global cup. Allow for transfers between this leagues. Imagine the additional buzz it would generate to have another simulataneous trophy to play for every year!!!!

_Arc


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:32 am EST

FWIW, my thoughts on the Rangers chances this year aren't quite to rosy but I do concur there's still time for the team to turn things around - it's not like they're out of the POs right now. That said, I don't have a lot of confidence this current roster will be able to do much more than they have lately (re since xmas). What Gorton is thinking and what he'll be able to accomplish to achieve what he's thinking I've got no idea. As I've said more than once, it will be interesting to see what he does (if he does anything of significance) by the deadline.

RF4L


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:11 am EST

Vic: I've said it previously - the 3 point game is all about perceived PO chances. In the end, most of the lousier teams end up out of the POs - with a traditional W/L scoring method, it's apparent considerably earlier in the season that a team is not going to make the POs vs the bogus 3 point system. That, in turn, means better attendance later in the season. Thank you Gary Phuckman. That slimy little prick's number 1 motivation is $$ - the integrity of the game is way way WAY down the list of importance, despite what garbage comes out of his mouth.

RF4L


Sun Jan 31 2016 10:05 am EST

The Salary Cap and the 3 point game have combined to create the parity in the league. This is what the owners and GMs were asking for. They wanted mechanisms that helped the small market teams to compete and have a chance to play revenue generating playoff games. I would argue that to that extent it has been successful but as a fan I think it has damaged the game. I think both systems need to be tweaked/changed to help bring back some of elements of the game that have been lost. First, the Cap. I'm no fan of the Salary Cap but I recognize that it is here to stay.; I think it can be tweaked to make it somewhat better though. The Cap needs to move to a soft cap model similar to what baseball uses. The hard cap makes it impossible for teams to retain players, make significant mid-season changes and recover from mistakes. That last part is particularly important. When a team makes a mistake on a player it is particularly crippling. They can't move the player and they can't bring in other players to compensate for what the first guy isn't doing. Going to a soft cap model with a Luxury Tax resolves those issues, along with the ability to retain salary in trades. Both of those changes are needed. As for the 3 point games the answer is easy. Every game should be worth 3 points. If you win in regulation you get 3 points. If you lose in regulation you get 0. If you win in OT or the shootout you get 2 and the other team gets 1. Both the OT and shootout represent non-traditional ways to resolve the outcome of a game.

Vic


Sun Jan 31 2016 3:45 am EST

All Star break Snapshots Elite (Ahem) Eight: 1. Chicago; 2. Washington; 3. Los Angeles; 4. St. Louis; 5. Dallas; 6. Florida; 7. Tampa Bay; 8. Zed; uh, Rangers...............http://nypost.com/2016/01/30/john-scotts-implied-trade-conspiracy-just-doesnt-hold-up/

stevielegs


Sun Jan 31 2016 3:29 am EST

“Every year is a new team and you try to get everybody on the same page and playing up to par as fast as you can,” McDonagh said. “We had a great win streak there and it was because maybe a handful of guys carrying us. But at the same time, we’re all in it together. We went in a little slump there, but it taught us a good lesson in what it takes every night to win games. We’ve really been competing hard, battling hard, coming up with loose pucks on the wall, winning those battles, and that helps everybody. “For myself, I can anticipate when a guy is going to win a battle a little bit more, find some open ice and create some offensive chances there. I think everybody can say that their game is coming along and to where each of us wants to be.”......Since McDonagh had the ‘C’ stitched to his Broadway Blueshirt before the 2014-15 season, it was clear he took the appointment seriously. Already somewhat stoic, he became even more so. His personality has been subdued to the point where that smiley kid from St. Paul, Minn., rarely is seen now. Instead, it’s the business-like, buttoned-up captain of the Rangers. But there hasn’t been a ton to smile about with the Rangers recently, and neither for McDonagh. This might have been a small respite for him, but his focus still lies squarely with the task at hand when he returns home to his team, still searching for that first Stanley Cup since 1994. And McDonagh knows that search can’t begin in earnest without him at the top of his game. “I know and I hope that the guys understand that I’m a big, impact player here,” McDonagh said. “I know that. I play in a lot of situations, and I need to step up in a lot of different roles. And it feels good to have that recognition. But it would only happen with the help of my teammates and coaches, playing in those situations and having the confidence of the coaching staff and my teammates helping me, and this team play the way we need to play.”......how about making nyr fans smile ?......

stevielegs


Sun Jan 31 2016 1:07 am EST

Could the Rangers trad Nash to SKS for Kovalchuk. Bring him over with Buch and it changes the team immidiately. I know it can't happ n bu would makes the team much better. Maybe they could send Boyle over as well

KIS


Sat Jan 30 2016 11:29 pm EST

No way this season is doomed....a lot can happen....plenty of time left. But, I do think what Gorton does between now and February 29 will be extremely important. He's got to get it right....what that is may not be what we all think. Look, when Sather got St. Louis, magic happened but not for the reasons we would have all thought....had more to do with the emotion that a sad situation brought about than his actual hockey skills. So many variables, so many unexpected, different consequences (intended and unintended) can occur. I still have a feeling E. Staal is on Gorton's wish list and he could be a very, very good fit....or he could be a bust. Who knows? I also think Jannick Hansen on Vancouver could be a perfect fit for this team....a higher scoring Hagelin but don't know if he's available. AV would certainly know about him.

JFC31


Sat Jan 30 2016 8:42 pm EST

Parity? The 3 point game has compressed the standings. While it makes zero sense competitively, it keeps teams in the playoff neighborhood and leeps seats filled.

Bob


Sat Jan 30 2016 7:05 pm EST

Expanding the league is good for the players . I'm not sure how if will effect the league and the cap... Buttman is clueless on the right cities ....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 30 2016 6:09 pm EST

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/cult-of-hockey-chiarelli-has-already-made-his-two-most-important-decisions-re-in-house-free-agents-but-other-questions-remain

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 5:53 pm EST

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/edmonton-oilers-making-push-for-travis-hamonic-of-new-york-islanders-elliotte-friedman-says

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 5:47 pm EST

http://hockeytraderumors.com/oilers-hamonic-deal-done-friedman/ ............... We can offer Klein in a trade for Schultz if we can't move Girardi....... Schultz is the kid that snubbed Anaheim (who drafted him) saying he would only play with the Oilers.......

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 4:47 pm EST

HOSPO: I'm on SC or bust mode. I think they have an asset in Yandle that can fetch them what they need for their roster right now. A couple of shrewd moves? FWIW I also like the Paille move. What I don't wanna see is a further attempt to grasp at straws and breathe life into something that cannot win. Unlike some, I don't subscribe to this dead fish theory that some do. I think they are alive but sputtering and trying to find their game. There is a half a season to get that done. And they are in the thick of it. I think their outlook could improve rapidly. Like some of you, I'm not new to this rodeo. We've seen how things can break the right way and it all starts pulling in one direction. I panic at freefalls. Moments like repeat Ottawa games. That becomes scary. I've seen a lot of 40-minute efforts this season. I don't care where they seed, 1-8 is fine. I read an article a while back bunking statistically the perceived belief that home ice advantage is all that important. Just gotta get in it...

E


Sat Jan 30 2016 4:45 pm EST

I'm with Hospo this season is not done, if anything I think the whole thing is up for grabs still not one team is showing they are just unbeatable this season. I also agree that next year is still alive you lose Boyle which alone is addition by subtraction you add Wrath and Skeij next season with Buch and you have a different team. I believe this team still needs something up front.

York18


Sat Jan 30 2016 4:28 pm EST

E/MF - That parity they talk about is why I think it's foolish to give up on this year and only trade for the future...With some tweeking, the Rangers still have a decent chance for the cup this year..and probably next year (with the addition of Buch and Skeji, as a start)

Hospo


Sat Jan 30 2016 4:17 pm EST

E I agree with you 100% you could add 4 even 6 more teams and the talent pool would not be harmed especially in todays cap era. The damage is already done to the talent pool which is one of the reasons why scoring has been down and never no matter how good someone is ever return to what it was. You will never see another team like the Oilers of the 80's no team could afford to have a Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Fuhr on one team, nor can any team pull that off with the draft being so large with so many teams. Even teams like the Isles of the 80s their dynasty could not be replicated in todays NHL due to cap and sheer number of teams. The Habs the team who has won the most cups due to how the draft worked back in the days and what not could not duplicate their success in todays NHL the league is very different and it would be very hard to dilute it any more than has been done already.

York18


Sat Jan 30 2016 4:15 pm EST

(approx 2 days old) https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/pavel-buchnevich-had-two-goals-yesterday-watch/163210656

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 2:51 pm EST

E: Hear ya & trust your judgment... That NY Post article makes it seem like there's so much parity in the players.... "How about in the coaches?" ...... As for the talent pool, it's good that more & more kids are playing hockey.. Heck next years #1 pick looks like the kid from Arizona, so yeah the game is expanding.....

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 1:37 pm EST

MF: once upon a time you could've made the argument that the worlds talent pool couldn't sustain the number of teams. I totally disagree with that notion now. You could add 4-teams right now without harming the product.

E


Sat Jan 30 2016 11:53 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/new-equipment-technology-is-intent-on-collaring-concussions/

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 11:46 am EST

SLegs: if they expand the league to 32 teams, the talent level will be watered down some more.......

mf


Sat Jan 30 2016 11:29 am EST

LOL...Skeji a -3 and Bodie a -4 in last night's 4 to 1 loss against. DOH!

RF4L


Sat Jan 30 2016 11:26 am EST

To me getting Polak is redundant. You've got a better and younger version in McI.

RF4L


Sat Jan 30 2016 10:10 am EST

GENE: If they are going to trade YANDLE then the target has to be a difference maker in the top 6. They will need to fill that 3rd line Offensive D spot with another in the YANDLE mold. I'd prefer to go with BODIE or SKJEI (whichever is most ready). They are going to make mistakes (but really the vets make just as many) but they are both aggressive offensively and they have the talent/ability to put up points. POLAK is just a warm body. That pretty much fits the description of Toronto's roster. A collection of warm bodies. If the Rangers are making a deal it has to be to bring in a difference maker or two.

Vic


Sat Jan 30 2016 9:01 am EST

Vic: Assuming the price is right for us Toronto will make Polak available and he would allow some depth and flexibility on the back end. Not saying I am advocating it but it would not be a bad move. I think he is a lefty and a more appropriate fit on the third pairing.

gene_carr


Sat Jan 30 2016 7:25 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/29/there-are-barely-any-good-nhl-teams-and-it-sucks/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 8:12 pm EST

Nash has been our only threat this year, It is very easy to shut down a one line team. If JT has suddenly had an epiphany, and is for real - we will have the makings of two lines, two scoring threats, and we will see the worth of Nash. This is jmho. Of course this is what I would do,,,AV will probably put them both on the same line. As for Dylan. I think Yorkie is right..I don't think AV is crazy about the guys' game, but in reality I don't think he's ready to face the Ovi's and Crosby's of the NHL on a steady basis just yet. Of course, this does not mean he should sit for the remainder of the year, waiting for an injury to a starting player.

WIOSA


Fri Jan 29 2016 6:36 pm EST

time for the nyr to go on a real winning streak after this break...they need to get their act together....along with their coaches.....and fishboy better be chumming for a good forward......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 6:25 pm EST

moof shhh....usually a full stomach of nathans.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 6:23 pm EST

So, PPQB / PMD / !st Line Center / PF ............. The PMD is a fairly new category as distinguished by The Swede across the Pond, as in prior years I think it was taken for granted that our PPQB was going to be the PMD.... In any event, I agree with OLA that PMD's are hard to replace........

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 6:15 pm EST

what were you getting off "on"

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 6:14 pm EST

memory coming back, once ran into to the whole band in coney island at the cyclone.....i was getting off, they were getting on.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:52 pm EST

it wasn't the airplanes that killed Kong, it was beauty that killed the beast.....they would show that clip then bust thru the screen in the old days at the Fillmore east....moofheinz ....One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:50 pm EST

E - I have been saying the same thing in different ways for a long time...I'm still bullish on the D and think it will get back to being top flight if/when AV has the team straightened out and the team is more or less equal to the sum of its' parts...There's a chance that doesn't happen, but if it does, throw in that Top 6 forward and I think you have a team that can compete for the cup....not even sure we need that gritty 3rd/4th liner if AV gets the other players (especially Hayes and Kreider) to play up to snuff..

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:45 pm EST

RF: so make the cap space and get Stamkos. Stamkos, Stepan, Brassard... How'd that be? Meanwhile, we put the bong down drop the lighter and watch repeats of the classic matchup from pro bowlers tour championships, Tulsa OK from 1996.

E


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:40 pm EST

On the NHL Network Weekes was talking about the second half and re: the New York Rangers he pointed out, "regular season aside the team the Caps least wanna play is the New York Rangers." They are the wild card. interesting thoughts. I still contend that they need a little some grit and grind in the bottom-6, a goal scorer for the top-6 and the defense to get itself back to its traditional level. Correct those 3-deficiencies internally or externally and I'll start to get on board with Weekes. Until then? I contend that the New York Rangers are less then the sum of its parts. Close... But no cigar...

E


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:37 pm EST

I'd love to see Tavares in a Ranger uniform. This guy oozes class, is a fine hockey player and is loyal. A number center the Rangers haven't had since Messier I.

RF4L


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:19 pm EST

My conversation on here with Andrei has me thinking short and long term (apologies to Hospo for worrying about tomorrow and to York18 for an unrealistic player acquisitions. andrei mentioned that the Islanders would not appealing to someone like Stamkos. What about current players? The Tavares and Nash contracts both expire at the same time. Do you think Tavares would make it to UFA? Would he be a realistic target? Would you embrace him as a Ranger? Sorry everyone, just musing during a slow NHL period. Hospo - I still want us to win this year! '

DREW


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:12 pm EST

What would we be saying about Nash if his numbers were reversed..21g 12 a ... ?... Just sayin'

sjw


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:09 pm EST

There is nothing on the Leafs roster that interests me at all. Even JVR is too inconsistent for me to want to waste the time and assets on. If the idea is to find a player that can help them win a Cup this year then you aren't going to find him in Toronto.

Vic


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:07 pm EST

And Spalding...another UFA.

RF4L


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:06 pm EST

Hospo: I don't know if Winnik will be available this time. He signed a 2 year deal. Who will be, however, is the following: Parenteau, Grabner, Mattias, Boyes, Clune, Acrobolo, Reimer and Polak. All are pending UFAs. Also for the right price, I suspect Bozak, JVR and Bernier. Lopul and Phaneuf too but their contracts are silly.

RF4L


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:03 pm EST

There's a rumor out there about Phaneuf to the Oilers

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:02 pm EST

Hospo, Go to the show!

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:51 pm EST

OK, sorry, back to hockey! When does the leaf fires sale begin? Do the Rangers look at Winnink and others again?

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:50 pm EST

And Casady played with The Airplane also, right? Must be a sad day for him with Paul Kantner passing..!

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:45 pm EST

MF - Actually, they are playing at the Charlottesville Pavillion on April 28th..It's about 500 yards from where I work...I can listen to those concerts from my office window!

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:41 pm EST

You Don't Know Jack.......

Jerry_Garcia


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:39 pm EST

LesS/Jerry_Garcia - Cool stuff..And another 1994 experience would be awesome! Means Gorton gonna have to get AV a player or two..:)

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:28 pm EST

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2016/01/29/teuvo-teravainen-chicago-blackhawks-needs/

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:24 pm EST

Like the t-shirt says, If You Don't Know Jorma...

LeoS


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:21 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ailing-blues-close-to-getting-jaden-schwartz-back-in-the-lineup/

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:18 pm EST

Hospo: You know Jorma and Jack are both from Alexandria VA. The Birchmere is there home court. Luck for you to have such a great college experience! Maybe some of the Hot Effin Tuna can rub off on the Rangers for then next 5 months. I want another June 14 1994 experience.

Jerry_Garcia


Fri Jan 29 2016 4:13 pm EST

Hospo you old man.... You near Norfolk on Feb 23? http://widespreadpanic.com/tour#!prettyPhoto

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 3:42 pm EST

Jerry_Garcia--Hot Effin Tuna and Jorma baby! ....Damn, did i get forced to listen to too much of them in college! :).On a serious note, man those 60-70's musicians have been dropping like flies.....And Keith Richards still lives!

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 3:40 pm EST

STEVIE - "who's having a good year or close to last year ? ....very few...."..Exactly the point of my post hours ago and over the last few weeks...AV has been screwing the proverbial pooch!...I think, despite semantics, we pretty much agree

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 2:28 pm EST

MF, Ranger47; Sad day for music lovers, Jefferson Airplane, one of my three favorite bands with Hot Tuna And Grateful Dead. Paul Kantner was in his own league: Have You Seen The Starts Tonight? God Bless his Pointed Little Head!

Jerry_Garcia


Fri Jan 29 2016 2:19 pm EST

mfing IPad spell checker!!!!!!

Ranger47


Fri Jan 29 2016 2:18 pm EST

mf: I loved Jefferson Airplane and. Starship. Always wondered if the later was somehow related to Cobrs Starship (Snakes On A Plane). Fittingly with your I'd is the line "Get these mf-ing snakes off this plane!!!!"

Ranger47


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:59 pm EST

RF73: Ha, only 90 players eh?? Curious list... thanks for sharing... my initial reactions in no particular order (1) A lot of New Jersey born kids on the list, (2) Nash is not the only high priced player underperforming, (2) ALOT of Ex-NYR players who never scored at such a high clip, and (4) guess NYRs will never pry Matt Duchene, Atkinson now pursuant to those fake rumours...

schneidw


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:45 pm EST

Only players to score more goals than Rick Nash this season: Patrick Kane 30 ; Jamie Benn 28 ; Alex Ovechkin 28 ; Tyler Seguin 25 ; Joe Pavelski 25 ; Vladimir Tarasenko 25 ; Evgeni Malkin 23 ; Matt Duchene 23 ; Mike Hoffman 22 ; Tyler Toffoli 22 ; Daniel Sedin 21 ; Steven Stamkos 21 ; Johnny Gaudreau 20 ; Nikita Kucherov 20 ; Kyle Palmieri 20 ; Corey Perry 20 ; Brad Marchand 20 ; Patrice Bergeron 19 ; Max Pacioretty 19 ; Jonathan Toews 19 ; Brandon Saad 19 ; Brock Nelson 19 ; Taylor Hall 18 ; Bobby Ryan 18 ; Brent Burns 18 ; Nathan MacKinnon 18 ; Mats Zuccarello 18 ; James Neal 18 ; Jeff Skinner 18 ; Artemi Panarin 17 ; Sidney Crosby 17 ; Ryan O'Reilly 17 ; Jason Spezza 17 ; Derick Brassard 17 ; Scott Hartnell 17 ; Cam Atkinson 17 ; Boone Jenner 17 ; Zach Parise 17 ; Artem Anisimov 17 ; Shane Doan 17 ; Nicklas Backstrom 16 ; Patrick Sharp 16 ; John Tavares 16 ; Jack Eichel 16 ; Justin Williams 16 ; Adam Henrique 16 ; Leo Komarov 16 ; Reilly Smith 16 ; Evgeny Kuznetsov 15 ; Alexander Steen 15 ; Loui Eriksson 15 ; Bryan Little 15 ; Dylan Larkin 15 ; Jaromir Jagr 15 ; Patrick Marleau 15 ; Phil Kessel 15 ; Joel Ward 15 ; T.J. Oshie 15 ; Jannik Hansen 15 ; Claude Giroux 14 ; Michael Cammalleri 14 ; Lee Stempniak 14 ; Oliver Ekman-Larsson 14 ; Justin Faulk 14 ; Filip Forsberg 14 ; Frans Nielsen 14 ; Dustin Byfuglien 14 ; James van Riemsdyk 14 ; Thomas Vanek 14 ; Sean Monahan 14 ; Wayne Simmonds 14 ; Tomas Tatar 14 ; Vincent Trocheck 14 ; Drew Stafford 14 ; Justin Abdelkader 14 ; Blake Wheeler 13 ; Anze Kopitar 13 ; Jeff Carter 13 ; Gabriel Landeskog 13 ; Max Domi 13 ; Aleksander Barkov 13 ; Marcus Johansson 13 ; Kyle Turris 13 ; Jason Chimera 13 ; Gustav Nyquist 13 ; Anthony Duclair 13 ; Charlie Coyle 13 ; Jarome Iginla 13 ; J.T. Miller 13 ; Sam Bennett 13 ; Only 90 players ahead of him...

RF73


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:45 pm EST

Paul Kantner, an original member of the 1960s rock group Jefferson Airplane who stayed with the San Francisco-based band through its transformation from hippies to hit makers as the eventual leader of successor group Jefferson Starship, has died at age 74.

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:24 pm EST

The real key is the best players have to play the best. Sometimes the best players aren't anymore. It seems all but AV recognize this about Boyle.

RF4L


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:21 pm EST

rf the 'buckled me' comment says to me he's not learning or growing , just sticking to what he's always done on almost everything...i wish him good luck...but that's a recipe for failure.....i hope he's right and i'm wrong.....so far he hasn't shown me that this year......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:15 pm EST

stevie: Re AV's words: “You’ve got to play your best players, and your best players have to be your best.” Is he trying to get blood from a stone? Is he (over) playing Boyle because he's trying to prove a point that Yandle isn't the be all to end all and McI isn't ready? I think it's possible. AV is stubborn and clearly has a significant ego.

RF4L


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:10 pm EST

vic: I would swap a top 6 forward for Nash if that forward could actually score in the playoffs. Nash is what he is at this point.

shonuff


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:53 pm EST

Hospo the coach is using that concept for all his players, not just big mac......and so far it's not working ....who's having a good year or close to last year ? ....very few.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:37 pm EST

Stevie: I think a natural tendency would be to insure that Girardi's knee is as close to 100% as could be, and to seek opportunities to get McIlrath minutes....... Viva La Vishyssois

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:37 pm EST

STEVIE - The Mcilrath thing is minor to me, there is a much bigger issue with the entire team not playing well

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:31 pm EST

Hospo there are many ways to look at it. But for him to believe that Girardi, Klein, and Boyle are better than Big Mac has to do with their history and their potential, not on the facts of what they are doing this season. the natural tendency is to go with those guys, but that doesn't make it the correct decisions. the nyr would be better served as would the coach and these 4 d men, if Big Mac was in more games. Especially for next year, never-mind this year and the possibility of his top 3 being injured in the playoffs. ...it reminds me of renney and talkerella's strategy to get to ot and the shootout....play for the tie.....veenyo's first goal is to make the playoffs, and he doesn't care who he burns out to get there.....and that's one of the reasons why he hasn't won a cup......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:25 pm EST

because that RHS has to be able to cover the left faceoff circle on the power play

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:23 pm EST

Hospo: IMO that forward needs to be a RHS..... Maybe someone could suggest a certain guy on Winnipeg, or with Edmonton..... wink, wink

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:11 pm EST

STEVIE - But it's the coaches job to get the best out of his player. .....Look at the Rangers..I'm trying to be objective here and I can say that only about 4 players are playing as good as they have or can--Mcilrath,Klein,Miller (now), Stalberg and Fast...That's it..AV is not getting anywhere near the best out of the rest (the best)---Nash, MZA, BRASS (take away that 5 point night), Kreider, Hayes, Linberger (good 1st quarter, nothing since), Moore (age?), and the inconsistent D 9Staal, Girardi, McD, even Yandle).....Obvioulsy, it' the sign of a team not firing on all cylinders...and a coach not getting them too......The Rangers fix themselves INTERNALLY, that's a huge step...Then you get the forward

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:04 pm EST

SCHNEIDW: Not going to happen. Don't hold your breath waiting for NASH to be traded. The only way that would/could happen this year is if the Rangers got back someone that was better. And why would anyone want to trade someone better to the Rangers? They might trade prospects or picks to acquire NASH but they aren't going to part with a top 6 player the Rangers could use right now. And even if they did that doesn't help the Rangers. They need to add another top 6 forward, not swap one for another. Like it or not NASH represents a threat for the Rangers. He may not score nearly as much to justify his salary and fulfill the role he was brought in to fill. However, he is still the guy that other team's look at as the Rangers most dangerous offensive forward. And he does work hard in all three zones.

Vic


Fri Jan 29 2016 12:02 pm EST

MF - Hags was very good defensively also and MSL wasn't bad either...As a whole, all the forward lines played much better team defense, rarely leaving the D to fend for themselves like this year..To me, that has been the biggie..AV must get that back either with what he has or with a new forward or two to replace the more selfish ones.

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:57 am EST

And so his answer to the question — following Monday’s 6-3 victory over the Sabres that sent the Blueshirts into the All-Star break on an 8-5-1 rebound run — about whether Dylan McIlrath would get more time in the second half of the season (presumably in place of Dan Boyle) was Vigneault being Vigneault. “You’ve got to play your lineup,” said Vigneault, who has had Boyle in the lineup for 42 of the club’s 49 games. “You’ve got to play your best players, and your best players have to be your best.”

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:52 am EST

50% replaced

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:51 am EST

Schneid: The offensive production of Nash, Stepan, Hayes are all sinificantly down.... ""The Regular season production "" of MSL & Hags has not been more than say 50% by Fast / Lindberg / Stralburg..... So yeah we're suffering...... But none of this explains away the fact that last year we were down at 1.85 ga's at times and this year we're a full .75 or more gaa's than last year..... We just don't stand a chance to win if we giving up those extra goals in conjunction with the loss of offensive production... Simple in context, not so easy to fix if they're not all pulling together....

mf


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:48 am EST

OLA: AV isn't stupid. None of us are. We all recognize that YANDLE has offensive skills and talent. From a purely offensive perspective he has a higher top end then anyone else on the roster and AV will use that to his advantage. However, does he play at that top end consistently? Do his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses? Can he find any level of consistency playing with anyone other then McILRATH?

Vic


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:36 am EST

Rick NASH: 12 goals in 45 games... this year so far! Factor in 10 goals in 60 playoff games... I think the NYRs would be PRUDENT to trade NASH while he has some trade value... there has to be a few teams needing a first line winger and believe they can resurrect his top notch play.... Again, I like Nash and think his 2 way play has been good overall, but I am just not enamored with his contract based on his scoring output...

schneidw


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:28 am EST

Vic and Stevie- If AV didn't like Yandle, why would he use him as much 5 on 5 as he uses McD and Staal? Why would Yandle by far be out there the most in offensive situations?

Ola


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:19 am EST

STEVIE: You said..."maybe he didn't agree with the trade for yandle from day 1".....This is my belief as well. We know SATHER had wanted YANDLE for years because we heard the rumor that the Rangers were interested in him going back to the TORTS days. I believe that SATHER acquired him without AV really being onboard. I get the feeling that AV was familiar with YANDLE's game from his time when both were in the Western Conference and he wasn't enamored with YANDLE defensively. We've heard the same from other coaches and GMs including Team USA's GM who IIRC correctly laughed when asked about YANDLE not being on the team and made a comment to the effect of Team Canada would have feasted on YANDLE if he were there. All my opinion, of course, but that is what it looks like to me based on everything that has gone done since the day YANDLE was acquired.

Vic


Fri Jan 29 2016 11:02 am EST

Yandle: He sure doesn't seem interested in resigning anyways... never appeared to be part of the inner core of the NYRs... I think he is BOS bound as a UFA. .they only have 3 defenseman signed next year... NYRs have to trade him instead of losing him for nothing IMHO

schneidw


Fri Jan 29 2016 10:50 am EST

YORK18: great insights.. .I concur, I think Yandle has been horribly misused... he has not gotten adequate PP time nor a reliable RW pairing partner... I don't understand it because he is light years better than Boyle who has been a freakin' disaster from day 1 and I cant believe NYRs let Stralman walk away for nothing to sign Boyle for more $$$$... unforgivable!!

schneidw


Fri Jan 29 2016 9:36 am EST

SCHNEIDW - I'm not convinced either..But I do think they have most of the talent.but just haven't been playing with the right smarts, intensity, and teamwork/style most of the year...i think alot of that has been due to AV's handling of the team this season and the lack of leadership on and off the ice...THiS TEAM HAS TO PULL TOGETHER CONSISTENTLY AS ONE AS IN THE PAST and find that one missing forward that can help some of the weak points: scoring forward, PP/PK forward, some grit/leadership...Of course, HAYES and KID K contributing would be a help also...We'll see what we get

Hospo


Fri Jan 29 2016 9:17 am EST

get the most bang for your buck......http://www.northjersey.com/sports/rangers-ryan-mcdonagh-showing-star-power-1.1501389

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 9:05 am EST

york veenyo is a strange bird. maybe he didn't agree with the trade for yandle from day 1. ...the nyr pp has been and continues to be a joke even with adding boyle and yandle. to me that says the coaches don't know how to fix it, probably they don't allow for creativity, and don't insist on 2 passes shoot instead the bs good looks....dirty goals count as much as pretty ones.....i believe most of the nyr non-par performances has to do with how the coaches are leading and instructing them....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 8:59 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/28/rangers-prospect-report-jan-18-24/#sthash.tBCXyRJ3.dpbs

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 8:58 am EST

Agreed AV's handling of Yandle when you look at his love of Boyle is a head scratcher. I get concerns about Yandle's errors and sometimes erratic play but Boyle IMO has been worse, especially when it comes to positioning. Oh well, there's a few roster decisions courtesy of AV that don't make sense to me. It is possible he's quarrelling with Gorton on some things. Making baffling roster decisions under that sort of atmosphere isn't unprecedented, in NY or anywhere else.

RF4L


Fri Jan 29 2016 8:54 am EST

That was meant for Stevie.

York18


Fri Jan 29 2016 8:54 am EST

Scneid from day one? Yandle should be on the first PP unit but Boyle is amd sucks

York18


Fri Jan 29 2016 8:53 am EST

could it be veenyo is not using yandle more because fishboy told him he probably will trade him at the deadline?

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:59 am EST

HOSPO: You make a GREAT point! Its a valid assertion that the NYRs are closer to the cup than I think...although when I look at their lineup, I am not convinced based on their size and skill, especially on the wings.. One interesting thing to note is how few serious injuries the NYRs have incurred this year, maybe as you stated, they are saving their intensity for the playoffs...

schneidw


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:55 am EST

Vigneault has left the room to his players through this challenging season just as he did through his first year and through last year’s charge to the President’s Trophy. It represents part of the belief system of this coach, as self-assured as any ever to come down the pike to Broadway. He, like the crooner who hailed from Hoboken and sang about New York, New York, does it his way.............http://nypost.com/2016/01/28/vigneaults-gut-and-vets-on-trial-for-rangers-stretch-run/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:15 am EST

I don't really think any of these trades will happen like they did back in the old days. I think PAILLE was the big move. I think this team will be better after the break. Not as good as the Caps but maybe they finish second and some team takes a bite out of the Caps in the first round. After that who knows,

Pal17


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:08 am EST

Does this work? Troy Brower ufa 3.6 & *Tarasenko 7.5 For Nash 7.8 & Kreider rfa 2.5 - Gunnerson ufa 2.9 & Shatterkirk 4.2 For Yandle ufa 2.6 & Klein 3.9 JTM-STEPAN-TARASENKO / LINDBERGH-BRASS-ZUCC / STALBERG-HAYES-BROWER / GLASS-MOORE-FAST PAILLE :// McDONAGH -SHATTENKIRK / STAAL- GIRARDI / GUNNERSON - McILRATH / BOYLE

Pal17


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:06 am EST

Ola I agree with you completely. I also think the coaches use of certain players is handcuffing the team and its ability to succeed. Trading yandle now would be a mistake Boyle on the other hand would be addition by subtraction and wrath could step right in. Yandle plays very well with wrath and would help the team. The discussion about yandle is this IMO why would he want to sign a new contract here? He doesn't get the ice time he wants especially PP and for what reason so Boyle can play there? Truthfully if I were him I'd want to go somewhere else because as long as AV is coaching I don't see his treatment getting better.

York18


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:05 am EST

STEPAN to WINNIPEG is also interesting.

Pal17


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:04 am EST

GABBY again hmmm

Pal17


Fri Jan 29 2016 7:01 am EST

I know I'm going to come off sounding like a prick or the yorkie of old but Jesus enough with thetrade proposals if it was as east as what you type deals would be made all the time and gms would never lose their job and minus an injury every team would win the cup. Who says said team wants anything from the rangers because you say so? There isn't a gm who wouldn't want insert players name here to make their team better but its not that simple and Jesus skimming the board for 2000 fake trades is getting ridiculous for Christ sakes play some video games or something. Talk actual hockey learn some more stuff about hockey. Sorry for returning to the old yorkie for this but my god this place seems to be turning into a trades message board and that's it lately and actually I'm not sorry it needed to be said thebrant endith here

York18


Fri Jan 29 2016 5:21 am EST

Well everyone says we need a scorer. You guys think that Drew Stafford or Archangel Andrew Ladd are that? Gaborik is. The guy is laboring under a coach (Sutter) that is the wrong coach for him. Very Tortorella-esque with guys like Gabby. Sutter wants all of his players to be 6'3" lumberjacks.

Bob


Fri Jan 29 2016 1:31 am EST

Hospo- We are quite clearly a top 3 team in the East despite huge struggles and at least some minor flaws that should correct themselves. Just asking, if we start the retool everyone wants, take everything into consideration, when do we become that good again? In 5 years? 15 years? 20?

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 11:01 pm EST

Pay Gaborik until he's 39? Pass.If LA wants a defenseman, let them take Girardi's terrible contract and then we'll take Gaborik's.. Former players are like ex-girlfriend's; It's never as good the 2nd time around.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 28 2016 10:38 pm EST

FWIW LA has no first this year to offer up.

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 8:59 pm EST

Bob, t/y, like hearing about the west coast franchises

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 8:18 pm EST

MF--Probably. Word on the west coast is that they are interested in Yandle. Meanwhile, Gabby is a 3rd-4th liner and does not play on the PP.

Bob


Thu Jan 28 2016 7:08 pm EST

Bob: Gabby $4.875mill 9for 5 yrs after this one) & Mcnabb $600K..... Yandle $2.625 mill..... We'd be taking on a net $2.85mill in salary... Not sure if we could swing it..... Can you get LA to eat $1mill of Gabby's salary for the length of his contract? Gabby at $3.875 mill sounds attractive

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:59 pm EST

Keith Yandle to LA for Marian Gaborik and McNabb.. There is your sniper. Maybe a LHS D coming back as well.

Bob


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:45 pm EST

Reshaping the Rangers: Nash/Hayes/Diaz for Shattenkirk / Schwatz/ Backes ($11.1mill coming in - $9.4mill going out) Let the GM’s figure out the smaller details if any to get the deal done…………..NEXT: Trade Stepan: I think Winnipegs a prime destination.. We’ve bantered about them wanting to figure out their Byfuglien & Ladd issues, well “”IF”” Stepan & Fast gets us Ladd & Stafford (they might have to eat some $$$ to make it work) and again, let the GM’s work out the details to get the deal done; then the NY Rangers look like this in no particular order: (top 9 ) LADD / BACKES / STAFFORD / MZA / BRASSARD / MILLER / KREIDER / SHWARTZ / LINDBERG (Bottom 3) Glass / Moore / Stalberg / Paille….. On Defense: MCD / SHATTENKIRK / MCILRATH / STAAL / GIRARDI / YANDLE / BOYLE………… Fuggin whole new look to march into the playoffs with….. And then we figure out how to play then hand with the club for the offseason........ Right side Defense: Can we move Girardi or do we have to part with Klein??? Can we move Staal or do we have to let Yandle go for naught? Would we look to resign Backes?

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:41 pm EST

Bob, then we ask for a prospect or swap 2nd rounders, or, offer our 2nd rounder for their 1st rounder which will probably be a top 10 pick overall.... The details are for the GM's to figure out IMO.........

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:29 pm EST

Stafford and Ladd? THAT is the upgrade at forward trading the Rangers best center? They trade Stepan they had better get something better than that.

Bob


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:21 pm EST

Hospo: your 2/3rds the way there.... Stepan gets you what you say we need..... Stepan & Fast for Stafford & Ladd, Ladds gone at seasons end leaves us Stafford @ $4.35 mill for one more season... We're trading a top 6 for two top 6's................

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:15 pm EST

There is NO WAY the Rangers will make deals that are for the future. Why? because job 1 when you work for James Dolan is not winning the cup, it is revenue-generating playoff games. They will not be sacrificed for strengthening the team long-term. Despite the kiling the club makes due to the cap, playoff games are cash cows. Every last one of them.

Bob


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:59 pm EST

Writers keep on saying "there are holes" in the Rangers line-up...I'm not so sure that is true...But I am sure there is one significant hole..and that's a winger that can score goals...and play the PP.....and that is what Gorton has to trade for........You look at the healthy top 9 Nash-Brass-MZA; Kreider-step-MIller; hayes-fast/lindy/Stal.......It's obvious the real issue is the inconsistencies of Kid K and Hayes....It's very likely one can turn it around, two is too much to ask......You get that 2nd one via trade and the Rangers have a pretty good top 3 line for a PO run..I'm still bullish on The King and the D.......but.........The question will be whether the defense is weakened (Yandle, Klein) to get that forward and if another d-man (draft picks) must be dealt for....................And, if GORTON has learned anything form his years at Sather's feet, the trade(s) just might come out of left field...

Hospo


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:44 pm EST

I'LL EAT MY NYR HAT, if fishboy is a seller instead of a buyer....and he'll probably be eating Sather's cigar from the wrong end being stuck up his rear end.......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:40 pm EST

Most disappointing player Dan Girardi. The alternate captain and formerly stalwart defenseman was coming back from offseason ankle surgery, but has not been able to find his game on a consistent basis. The drop has meant the Rangers have lost a first-pair defenseman, and are struggling to replace him. Outlook There is a lot of pressure on first-year general manager Jeff Gorton to get this trade deadline right when it arrives Feb. 29. He has a prime rental chip in defenseman Keith Yandle, who will be an unrestricted free agent, and there are holes in the roster that need to be filled (with very few draft picks left to use in a blockbuster deal — if one should exist). The Rangers more than likely will make the playoffs, and they have the experience and the goalie to win some games once there. But it’s hard to see them contending for a Stanley Cup without a significant roster addition..... http://nypost.com/2016/01/28/what-gm-jeff-gorton-must-do-to-make-rangers-cup-contenders/

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:28 pm EST

Leonard's trade proposals for the most part suck. I do find the Nash to the Blues for Shattenkirk interesting be the 2 are stupid. A first (like the Rangers can afford to cough up another one of those) and McI for Drouin? NO! Boyle for Marleau? Hell no - get out from one stupid contract and take on another. The only reason that would be accepted by the Sharks, who recognized that aging Boyle sucks would be to hand over to the Rangers Marleau's stupid contract. 1 out of 3 and he's a beat writer? LOLOLOL

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:27 pm EST

"The Wheel is Turning" ...... NASH / HAYES & DIAZ for SHATTENKIRK / BACKES & SCHWARTZ & ST.LOIUS eats $1mill of Backes salary....... Could we would we pull this off? (Next Stop; trading Stepan)

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:25 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - To me, your entire premise is wrong...One move and they have as good as chance as any for a long cup run...totaly disagree with punting and quiting...JMWO... make up for your sorry ass offseason Gorton and catch that fish and bring home the Cup!

Hospo


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:17 pm EST

Being HONEST with himself, IF (BIG IF) Gorton has full authority to make trades, he needs to be honest with himself that the NYRs would GREATLY benefit over the long term by becoming SELLERS at the trade deadline since their Stanley Cup aspirations are invalid. The first place to start is to trade Yandle whom I really like but is redundant, over-priced 3rd pair who has NOT made a difference on the power play.... He should net a young, low priced winger that can step into the lineup right away and a high draft pick.. The next trade is Nash, who doesn't have a full NMC, is on the wrong side of 30YO, and simply has not produced to match a huge contract.. he has been a good teammate and played solid 2 way hockey and he definitely still has trade value... Closest recent trade comparable I can think of is Phil Kessel (similar type player, production and contract) and he was 'worth' some young, cheap players and a #1 and #3 pick... Losing Yandle and Nash will DEFINATLEY hurt in the short term but the NYRs will immediately free up over $12M.year in salary cap space, get some youth infusion and the ability to remake the roster and build around core players still in their prime... the Last trade I would try to make if I am Gorton is to find a taker for Girardi who unfortunately has little trade value and a NTC, but maybe could be convinced to accept a trade to a team/coach he likes (CLBJ?).. JUST a THOUGHT....

schneidw


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:08 pm EST

VIC: I think Gorton & Co. were counting on the collective growth & contributions of Kreider / Hayes & Miller being substantially higher than what has been. I think most of us here were too.

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 5:04 pm EST

Puck: thanks for posting that Daily news article by Pat Leonard.... It's obvious the guy reads this Wall, and he did come up with some fresh ideas.... Perhaps he had to get his article out by a deadline, but had he sat with some of his thoughts a bit more, there is further thinking that comes to mind..... for starters, I wonder if Boyle & Nash would accept be traded to St.Louis..... tbc.......

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 4:34 pm EST

As for the trade deadline, I honestly don't see the Rangers making a big move outside of possibly trading YANDLE. I say that because GORTON didn't seem interested in making any significant acquisitions in the off season even though MSL and HAGS were gone from the roster. The Rangers have limited Cap space this year and next year so that makes significant moves difficult as well. As much as GIRARDI and STAAL have struggled this year I believe the organization still sees them as integral to a playoff run. Even if they didn't it would be difficult to move them with the NTC/NMC they both have. I don't see the Rangers blowing this team up and I don't see them as thinking they are a Cup favorite either with the way the team has played. All of that plays into what I think will be a low key deadline for them.

Vic


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:55 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-trade-deadline-options-article-1.2511907?utm_content=buffer63be7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=PLeonard+Twitter

puckyou


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:30 pm EST

Stepan & Kreider for Hanzal & Boedker ??? $9mill going out, $6.85mill coming in

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:21 pm EST

mf: We'll see....

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:15 pm EST

course.... duh

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:13 pm EST

RF: Gorton knows the avg age of his players and the cards he has to play.... The guy didn't make it to his position aimlessly.... We are not an old team nor are we a budding young team, however ""age"" should not be in the drivers seat when making the ultimate decision... We live life like we have unlimited days, well we don't, and I want to celebrate another Cup Victory before my teeth are soaking in a glass on the side of the sink... :-) ..... If we can pull off a two player trade ie: Stepan & somone for Backes & Schwartz, we get to test drive Backes for the remainder of the season. We get a chance to see this line-up with a big body pivot, and we get a good young prospect in Schwartz.... So we get the best of both worlds.... It may be possible to find a trade where both sides get the best of both worlds by the deadline. That's what it takes to get it done.... imo of coarse

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:01 pm EST

I am thinking whatever Gorton does will give us a good indication of what he thinks about his current roster. If he keeps Yandle or trades him for another pending UFA or in a package for an aging top 6 forward, that will say one thing. If he's traded for picks/younger players, that's another altogether. I've said it more than once - I am curious about Gorton's first significant move (signing Daniel Paille is an insignificant move) - it just may tell us exactly where he wants to take this organization. Mind you, if he sits on his hands long enough and continue to tempt the ever lurking curse of the Rangers, Yandle will tear up knee ligaments and be gone for the season before anything's done.

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 2:45 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-yandle-hudler-and-mcginn-will-draw-interest-at-deadline/

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 2:37 pm EST

Evets: Thinkin bout the Ol' two-step ay? rotsa ruck Charlie.. :-)

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 2:28 pm EST

Regarding trade, I know what I would do..but I'm betting GORTON is gonna wait and watch the first few weeks after the break to see how the lines do, especially if JT can keep it up (i say yes) and if KRIEDER and HAYES and become consistent performers for the team...Those two are so key..I would get a top 6/top 9 forward no matter what, Gorton might feel otherwise depending on Hayes/kreider..And that will help determine whether he trade a d-man....It will be interesting.

Hospo


Thu Jan 28 2016 2:21 pm EST

EVETS - Exactly..

Hospo


Thu Jan 28 2016 1:10 pm EST

Vic- BUT I DO CARE ABOUT THIS TEAM, YOU JUST CARE ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!! (lol just kidding ;) )

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:39 pm EST

they paid a high price for yandle to go for it....veenknow needs that type of d man to make his system work.....without getting a top 6 somehow, they probably won't trade him.....get gaborik back, trade capt parmenter.....resign yandle.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:35 pm EST

OLA: This is the point in this discussion (one that we have had several times before) where I tell you I don't care. I think you vastly overrate YANDLE's importance and contributions to this team but I don't care one way or the other. The ONLY thing that I care about is that he is either resigned or traded by the deadline. I don't care if he were GRETZKY. He needs to be resigned or traded by the deadline. That is why your endless attempts to impress me about YANDLE fall on deaf ears. I don't care. And any discussion of YANDLE being the guy who should stay and GIRARDI or STAAL moved instead are moot. Neither are going anywhere this year and GORTON doesn't have to make a decision on their future until the off season if he wishes to at all. What GORTON does have to do is make a decision on YANDLE. And if YANDLE won't resign now then the decision really has been made for him. Now it is up to GORTON to get the best return he can. A return that can help them win a Cup this year and hopefully many years to come.

Vic


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:30 pm EST

Hospo- There is a bad gap between the current group of young forwards on the farm (Tambollinin and Hrivik and Bourque basiaclly) with Fast, Lindberg, Hayes, Miller and co having moved up, and the coming group of Buchnevich, Saarela, Kovac, Nieves, Gropp and co.

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:30 pm EST

Stevie... I would think that the goal in trading Yandle this year would be to acquire some assets to use in another trade to address a glaring need. So they may be able to get a good prospect and a first for Yandle and then flip those assets for someone like Andrew Ladd or someone else to address their deficiencies up front.

evets1980


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:27 pm EST

Stevie- Yeah, of course. The cap at best remaining flat does not help either. And I am sure Yandle will be looking for a market rate and that will be a helluva lot more than what is speculated on by some. But, you got to make tough decisions to go anywhere in this league. I think our blueline needs less Girardi's and Staals and Kleins and MORE Yandle's, you know, I don't think that really even should be up for debate. Or??? Then is it really a good idea to dump Yandle on a market when players like him are impossible to find almost while keeping the rest?

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:26 pm EST

rf4l..."... A first and a decent prospect. Yandle should fetch something similar."....the nyr are not the yotes....their goal is suppose to be win the cup this year....trading yandle for that lessens their chances this year....fishboy has to decide with his boss" which way do they go which way do they go"......we're the fugawe.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:23 pm EST

Vic- According to who does AV not trust Yandle with defensive zone starts? The stats show that AV prefers giving Yandle O-zone starts and Staal D-zone starts, sure, who wouldn't do that? But when for example McD have been hurt Yandle have played a ton in all zones. Yandle have also been the No 1A/B defender for a team in PHX that despite a minimum budget made the POs several times and made it to the Western Conference Finals were they gave a very good LA team a run for it. You listen to Brooks analysering Yandle, but I am sorry, its very far from being objective. Yandle is our No 1 D in offensive situations, he plays as much as anyone else 5 on 5, and he does not PK. Its completely irrelevant to label him as a 3rd pairing D, that is just misleading.

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:08 pm EST

Another roster to dissect: So how does GM Joe Sakic approach the trade deadline, which is basically a month away? Assessment is the first mission. Colorado is a high-scoring team that gives up a lot of goals – generally not a recipe for playoff success. With starter Semyon Varlamov on the sidelines due to a very serious lawsuit, the Avs are counting on rookie Calvin Pickard in the short-term. But even when Varlamov has played, he has been streaky at best. So you’re not getting elite goaltending, but the possibility of elite goaltending in the playoffs is there. Defensively, there is work to be done – the unit is not deep enough. The Avs are also the worst possession team in the entire league and that does not bode well for the post-season.............http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/the-colorado-avalanche-are-in-a-perilous-spot-right-now/

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 11:57 am EST

FTR: chances are as soon as we get out of the contractual straight jacket that we're in, we're going to get into a new one.....It's just so easy to do.......... Stepan + Boyle = $11million ...........

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 11:50 am EST

RF: What's his name Antoinne Vermette was traded to a top tier team competing for the Cup.... So, which competing team do you want to trade UFA Yandle to & how much value is a late 1st round pick at this point in time to the franchise?

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 11:48 am EST

Hmmmmm......Defense, 7 GA's in 8 games, whuwuddathunk?

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 11:10 am EST

Usually we only hear bad news about the Wolfpack on here, but last night they won their 8th Straight Game...There are still no standout offensive players (maybe Tambelini is the best prospct), but they seem to be doing it with coaching, team-play and defense....Hmmmmmm........Have only surrendered 7 goals in the last 6 games....HELLBERG has been in goal for all 8 games..Perhaps guys like SKEJI and GRAVES are really coming into their own on the backline...May or may not mean anything for this year,but maybe some good news for the future..

Hospo


Thu Jan 28 2016 11:08 am EST

Just got this update...looks like they are taking our concerns/complaints seriously..."Welcome to the second half of the 2015-16 New York Rangers season! NEW ON THE MADISON CONCOURSE: Fuku (which means "lucky") is Momofuku's version of a fried chicken sandwich shop. Fuku first opened in June 2015 in New York City’s East Village and is part of Momofuku, which was established in 2004 by chef and founder David Chang. Momofuku has grown to include restaurants in New York City, Sydney, Toronto and Washington, DC. Milk Bar cookies from award-winning chef/founder & owner of Milk Bar, Christina Tosi, will also be available at Fuku, including its iconic compost cookie®, as well as a variety of other flavors. Milk Bar is the highly acclaimed sister bakery to the Momofuku restaurant group. Fuku is now open on the SAP Madison Concourse (Section 119).

RF73


Thu Jan 28 2016 10:44 am EST

stevie: For every pending UFA that's traded at the deadline, there's a team giving up picks and prospects. You make it sound like it's only UFA for UFA. Look at what the Yotes got from Chicago for what's his name (the center): A first and a decent prospect. Yandle should fetch something similar.

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 10:18 am EST

Vic you want fishboy to trade 1 ufa for another ? that's usually what's available at the deadline...rentals.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 10:09 am EST

Ola the problem is how do the fit him in their cap-mate even with Boyle's contact gone.....that's what fishboy needs to know ....but his comment of where they stand could mean letting him walk after the season, just like they did with many including boyle and stralman....that's how ufas are created.....expensive but worth it iIF they get the ring.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 10:08 am EST

OLA: A big part of the reason why YANDLE gets so many O zone starts is the same as why HAYES does. They don't trust either for D zone starts and would prefer to have more defensively capable players on the ice. Yes, they are both players that can and should add to what the team does in the offensive zone but their deficiency in the defensive zone is just as big a part of where they start and why. As for your comments about the report, I never said YANDLE wouldn't sign here. What I said was that he and his agent don't want to negotiate until after the season. And that has not been disputed by YANDLE, his agent or GORTON. I don't care if he really wants to end up here next year. What I care about is that he is either under contract by the deadline or traded so that the Rangers can address another area of need. To risk losing him for nothing is irresponsible. Especially when there are pressing needs for this team that can be addressed in a trade. And STEVIE, to make the statement that YANDLE will only return either a pending UFA or a pick/prospect that can't help this year is just speculation on your part. GORTON's job is to do otherwise, and he will be judged on what he does and fails to do.

Vic


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:49 am EST

"“I think with any prospective unrestricted free agent there’s gonna be questions, but for us we’re looking at it like how we’re gonnna do these weeks leading up to the trade deadline,” Gorton said. “So much is gonna happen (between now and then) that will help (clarify the situation). Keith is a UFA who stands to do quite well in the market. I’ve had discussions with his agent and we’re gonna see how our team does, how we stack up, and we’ll figure it out from there.”" http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/rangers/rangers-gm-gorton-talks-yandle-situation-etem-trade-call-blog-entry-1.2490570 You are grasping for straws Vic.

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:48 am EST

Vic- Sorry but that is a quote from a rant from a column by a reporter. After it Gorton have said this: "Keith is a UFA who stands to do quite well in the market. I’ve had discussions with his agent and we’re gonna see how our team does, how we stack up, and we’ll figure it out from there.” Lol, does that make it sound like Gorton was told that Yandle wouldn't sign here?

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:46 am EST

And now some entertainment ....https://www.facebook.com/HookedOnHockey/videos/828991990543706/

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:44 am EST

Vic- I am not sure I follow your reasoning, care to explain? Yandle is our No 1 D in offensive situations. He got 47% more offensive zone starts than the D with the second highest amount of OZS on the roster, Ryan McDonagh. Yandle plays as much 5 on 5 as any other D on the roster. If he is behind someone, we are talking about seconds, ie an irrelevance difference. We also have a team that as this season have passed have struggled more and more to create offense. Our Ds especially have struggled a lot moving the puck, especilly Staal and Girardi, but Klein has also been coughed up the puck a lot (at least in relation to what he normally does) and have reverted back to playing a very very passive safe game. Just watch the puck possession stats with and without Yandle on the ice, he has clearly helped us a lot.

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:42 am EST

the guys they have in Hartford will be worse than yandle, for right now. the guy along with boyle know how to turn it up a notch in the playoffs. many nyr do not or cannot, and some go down a notch...hello Nash....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:37 am EST

RF4L- Its just as simple that I think that we are running really short on offense and pure talent on this team, up front and at the blueline. Ability to play the game with the puck instead of just collapsing and blocking shots. I just think it will be a disaster if we lost both Boyle and Yandle. I think Yandle should be used more, but its just -- de facto -- not true that Yandle have a minor role on this team. Yandle have the most offensive zone starts of all Ds 5 on 5 on this team, 353. McD has the second most among Ds, he have 240. Ie 47% more than the D with the second most. He is obviously the D used the most in offensive situations. Ryan McDonagh plays 16.94 minutes per game 5 on 5, Keith Yandle plays 16.20 minutes per game 5 on 5. IE more or less as much as McD 5 on 5. The big difference is PK time. Its just not true that he has a minor role on the team and should be easy to replace. He plays as much as any other D 5 on 5 and is clearly the top offensive choice.

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 9:35 am EST

if the nyr are really going for it, they are not trading yandle unless they get a top forward for him. and that guy will probably be a ufa at the end of the season. ...pick your poison.....just getting prospects and/or picks does not meet that objective.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 28 2016 8:33 am EST

Gorton has quite the mess to clean up, doesn't he? First he needs to decide whether or not his team is a cup contender. Then he needs to decide how much tolerance he has for the sparse feeder system. Embedded in there is what to do with Yandle. Finally, he's got ongoing cap issues that are compounded by a bunch of contracts with NMCs. All due to Glen Sather's desperate need to win a cup before he stepped out (how'd that go Glenny boy you idiot). Nice...

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 8:10 am EST

OLA: ELLIOT FRIEDMAN and DAMIAN COX reported about two weeks ago that YANDLE and his agent told the Rangers that they are not interested in negotiating during the rest of the regular season. I don't care how much crap YANDLE spews about how he loves it in NY and wants to stay. That is meaningless if he and his agent refuse to negotiate before the deadline. What they are obviously trying to do is either bend the Rangers over a barrel right before July 1 to extract as much money as they can from GORTON/SATHER or they just want to get to July 1 to get as much money as they can on the open market. And before you say that the report is BS let me ask you why YANDLE and his agent didn't deny or refute it? Why didn't they say "That report isn't true. I want to be here and I want to work out a deal before the deadline". You know the truth you just don't want to admit it. And for the Rangers the issue is pretty clear. If they don't sign or trade YANDLE before the deadline they aren't going to be able to resign him. If he isn't signed or traded by the deadline I would say that there is a 99% chance they lose him for nothing. And that would be an unacceptable blow to the franchise.

Vic


Thu Jan 28 2016 7:59 am EST

PUCK: Totally agree. And, clearly having YANDLE hasn't really helped them much in terms of results. He isn't the difference maker that the team overspent to get. When most of us were screaming for the Rangers to make a deal that improved the Top 6 SATHER/GORTON made a deal to try to improve what was already the strength of the team. They didn't have a need in the Top 4 D and they spent a lot of assets to acquire a guy that isn't an impact player. So I don't see how trading YANDLE now somehow hurts the team, especially if he is traded to bring in a player that does improve the Top 6, where there are definitely issues.

Vic


Thu Jan 28 2016 7:57 am EST

Ola: Really? Cap issues is the reason. Yes, they can trade Staal and Girardi and Nash. In theory. I gotta say dude, I really don't get your adoration of Yandle. I find him to be a very big disappointment since coming to NY to be honest. Oh well, we can agree to disagree...

RF4L


Thu Jan 28 2016 6:37 am EST

Ola- I don't believe for a minute that trading Yandle folds the season. This season has shown Yandle to be an inconsistent player at besT. Old man Boyle plays on the first unit, Yandle gets 2nd pp duty and plays 3rd pair D- his minutes get cut in the 3rd period if we are winning close games. He is replaceable - we went to a couple of conference games and a final without him. Our D is worse with him and Boyle than it has been in the last 3-4 years, he is not a superstar, just a decent offensive D with sub-par defensive side.

puckyou


Thu Jan 28 2016 3:44 am EST

Hospo, :"FFF" em all, the only thing that matters is "this Wall." .... The trade generator's been working O.T. and it keeps coming back to the fact that keeping the D corps intact plays to the strengths of how this team is constructed and is the way to go into battle…… Although Yandle, McIlrath, Klein & Boyle haven't played for Torts, I believe Staal, McDonagh & Girardi will lead the way in that dept and the aforementioned will be fine......... I keep coming back to thinking that we need to trade Stepan for the following reasons... He should bring us back good value, he’s a good young player signed to a good contract (I believe E mentioned this recently) his $6.5mill per for 5 yrs after this and his nmc/ntc kicks in after this season... We trade him over Brassard as Brassard is $1.5 mill less expensive, signed for only 3 more yrs after this one, & with no nmc/ntc........ Moving Stepan is also a big move in getting our fiscal house in order, he & Bolye’s retirement account for $11million…… There are several teams the NYR Brass should be on the phones with: Edmonton, San Jose, St.Louis, Columbus, Arizona….. Arizona is actually competing for a playoff berth this year & “”RR/Polis’”” boy MARTIN HANZAL ($3.1mill this year + 1 more) has been relatively healthy & on pace for an 11g / 33a / 44 point season……. Wonder what Desert-Maloney thinks of Stepan these days……. What’s St.Louis’ strategy with Backes & can we pry away Jaden Schwarts too? …… Jumbo Joe just scored his 1300th point, can STEPAN & something get us Marleau & Joe???? (we move Staal or Girardi in the off-season & we may be able to sign YANKLE) …… How will the story Winnipeg story unfold with By-fuggin-uglyen & Ladd? My feelings on Drew Stafford are well documented, however Matthieu Perreault is putting up some good numbers and may be an attractive target………. A look at the CBJ roster and man did they throw the money around….. Wonder if they’d go for Stepan & Fast for Nick Foligno & Kerby Rychel? You can keep Atkinson, we have MZA & they need to dump salary if they’re taking on Stepan…… ……. Tampa has the Stamkos situation going on……… la di da did ah….. tbc…… :->)

mf


Thu Jan 28 2016 2:29 am EST

RF4L- Why is my there little chance that we will resign Yandle? Well lol if we don't want to resign him, sure then there is little chance. I don't for a second believe that he do not want to resign here, everything he have said indicates the opposite. I am sure if he goes elsewhere NY media will spread the usual BS that a player didn't want to stay here (like with so many others), but I don't buy that for a sec. Later on with most of these guys it later sippers out that they didn't even get an offer and what not...

Ola


Thu Jan 28 2016 12:35 am EST

MF - Still tilting...I find most of what comes out of this Blueshit Banter as drivel and doubt I have ever agreed with them,,and won't start now...Yes, the Rangers have holes but so does every damn team in the NHL this year, even the Caps..There is so much parity,any number of teams will be able to make a run..especially that team that does the best in filling the area of need...For the Rangers, that's a top 6 forward who, more then likely can help in almost every problem area they have...The Rangers have the assets to make a deal...yes, the Cap is tight...but you try like hell to get a deal done in another year when the Rangers have a chance.

Hospo


Wed Jan 27 2016 10:19 pm EST

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2016/01/27/alex-galchenyuk-leafs-blues-jets-hurricanes/

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 10:10 pm EST

http://www.si.com/nhl/2016/01/27/rumors-news-trades-signings-injuries

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 10:01 pm EST

Hospo: Yep....and that's where you and I disagree. All good tho - makes for interesting discussion and standing watching!

RF4L


Wed Jan 27 2016 9:49 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/1/27/10826658/rangers-cant-be-buyers-this-year

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 8:43 pm EST

Hospo nyr fans are jaded with valid reasons ... But 94 had to upset many until the end of game 7 and the parade ...tilt on

stevielegs


Wed Jan 27 2016 7:56 pm EST

Moof Heinz start tilting ....https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

stevielegs


Wed Jan 27 2016 7:45 pm EST

STEVIE - Might just be me and you thinking that way...But, damn it, I love tilting at wind mills!

Hospo


Wed Jan 27 2016 7:19 pm EST

hospo time to double down...this team's future is not as bright as it's present and past....they'll be in cap-mate for awhile.....unless fishboy swims his way out of it.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 27 2016 7:17 pm EST

amazing how many think brooks copies ideas from here, like the opinions here are nowhere else....i thought he had a big ego.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 27 2016 6:22 pm EST

RF4L - It is an argument, if you think you have a good chance of winning the Cup with him in the line up....As is, I don;t think that's true, but if they get another player without dealing Yandle, it might be..In that case, I say Eff the pick and the future, go for the Damn Cup...Winning is what it's about, not punting and caring about a possible future..As always on this, we disagree..makes the world go round..

Hospo


Wed Jan 27 2016 6:03 pm EST

For me the trade Yandle argument isn't an argument. It's just common sense given at this point in time there's little chance he'll resign. I don't care who the player is, if he's about to hit UFA and your cap room means you can't resign him without major juggling, you trade him. And you can always get in on the bidding come the summer if he's that valuable.

RF4L


Wed Jan 27 2016 4:36 pm EST

Kovac with the hatty tonight, he only scored two of the goals on PSs...

Ola


Wed Jan 27 2016 4:34 pm EST

Vic- Not saying that it's off base to argue that Yandle should be traded, but you have to understand that your and Brooks arguments not are correct. Yandle does not have a small role on this team. I am on the phone and won't verify these numbers, but roughly Yandle play as much as Staal and McD 5 on 5. The difference in ice time is marginal, 1 or 2 or 3 minutes, a few shifts, the big difference is PK time. Yandle gets the most offensive zone starts of all our Ds, McD and Staal get neutral and defensive zone starts. Hence Yandle is deemed and used as our best offensive D -- which he clearly is. I don't for a second believe that Yandle was brought in to fix our PP, to help it, sure. But it's not hard to acknowledge what is wrong with out PP, and the left D position is not its problem. There isn't a left D in the world -- ever -- who would fix our PP. not even Orr or Lidstrom. It's not mobile enough, and we don't have a right handed PPQB that enables it to set up on the right side (IE be run by Zucc and Brass) OR a right handed playmaking forward to enable it to set up on the left side and really utilize Yandle. That is the main problems. Than forwards like Nash and Kreider are pretty useless in that screening role they get. It's as simple as that. It's not rocket science, of course management is aware of this.

Ola


Wed Jan 27 2016 4:25 pm EST

There are 30 teams in this league, we may not be as good as Washington but we could easily spend the next 20 years without ever getting as close as we will do this year if we venture into some kind of extremely uncertain retooling roulette...

Ola


Wed Jan 27 2016 4:24 pm EST

Puckyou- Yeah, but you also fold this entire season (if we deal Yandle for a 1st)

Ola


Wed Jan 27 2016 3:16 pm EST

Puck-U: For the Halibut, 2016 NHL Mock Draft: (any to die for prospects?) http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2016/

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 3:13 pm EST

Off Topic: http://www.darkstarorchestra.net/tour-dates

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 3:08 pm EST

Ola-actually-NOTHING is what we get if we keep him too long and he walks this summer-or next-to-nothing if we overplay our hand (see Cam Talbot) on the trade. To say a first rounder is nothing is a stretch-considering we have one of the best goalies in the league that was picked 205 overall. The other play with a first rounder return is that would give us 2 firsts-which could be combined to move way up in the draft (2-for-1) or deal -maybe combine with player/prospect-for a legit top 6.

puckyou


Wed Jan 27 2016 1:53 pm EST

VIC - Don't totally agree with you on YANDLE..He did struggle early after the trade but came on strong towards the end but, by then, there were too many injuries.....This year it has been 3rd pair from the start no matter what...no matter how bad Girardi was, or McD was (early on), or how soft and bad Staal was (way too often)...Those players always got the chance and benefit of doubt and and not being moved down..with Yandle being moved....anyway, old stuff.....with the Rangers need for offense and PP and the poor play of BOYLE, it makes sense to give YANDLE more opportunities then he has received...JMWO

Hospo


Wed Jan 27 2016 1:32 pm EST

HOSPO: YANDLE has been on the 3rd pair since the day he arrived in NY. Did anyone seriously expect the Rangers to drop McDONAGH or STAAL down to 3rd pair when YANDLE got here? There was no way that was going to happen. He was also tried on the 1st PP unit on several occasions last year and early this year. The problem was he just didn't produce and made bad passes resulting in icings on the PP, along with not really being great at keeping the puck in. AV decided that McDONAGH was better on the 1st PP unit. But again, this goes back to the stupidity of the trade in the first place. What role did you expect YANDLE to have on this team? More importantly, what role did SATHER and GORTON expect to YANDLE to have on this team and did they even run any of this by AV? It doesn't seem like they did because AV has had YANDLE slotted since he got here (and I would argue slotted correctly). The only time where YANDLE looked good and had any level of consistency was while he was paired with McILRATH for that extended stretch. And we already know that AV sees the other 3 right defenders as giving him a better chance to win then McILRATH so he clearly doesn't value having YANDLE paired with McILRATH. I don't agree with AV on the McIRATH issue but he is the coach, not me.

Vic


Wed Jan 27 2016 1:12 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-will-bruins-be-forced-to-trade-loui-eriksson/

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:31 pm EST

YANDLE: A quick look at the stats shows that his +/- numbers are exponentially better than with Phoenix, and he's on pace for 5goals, 38helpers, 43points, while avging 19:15 mins p/g....... That's a full 3 minutes (that's 15% of his playing TOI) less than his avg playing time in the Desert and, he's not playing on the 1st unit PP.... In Phoenix, he probably ran the PP..... For an offensive minded coach, WTF are you thinking here??? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4859

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:24 pm EST

Numbers: Trading Stepan ($6.5mill), Girardi ($5.5mill) and Boyle ($4.5mill) retiring creates $16.5mill is cap space.... That could get you STAMKOS & YANKLE.... Trading Brassard ($5mill) in place of Stepan gives us $15mill & we could probably pull that off too... If we trade Staal instead of Girardi, we can make the numbers work as well....

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:20 pm EST

VIC - Brooks is right though, AV too often treats Yandle as a pedestrian 3rd pair D-man with little skill...He is muich more than that..The games I have seen him play ALOT, he seems to shine both offensively and even defensively...Either play him and go with him for the Cup run (and not Boyle) or Play him and deal him for help up front....And more then likely obtain another D-man to give 7 UNLESS SKEJI is ready

Hospo


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:15 pm EST

VIC: Very true, however, I am of the mindset that the stats both advanced & traditional would suggest we would go further with YANKLE than without him..... Then again, we wouldn't have the benefit of replacement players production or lack there of..... That's why we have the "dartboard!" :-)

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:10 pm EST

MF: No way to know outcomes either way. You can't play that game. Trading YANDLE could mean that the Rangers don't go as far in the playoffs. But, it could also mean that the Rangers go further in the playoffs then they otherwise would have WITH YANDLE. That is why the doom and gloom over trading YANDLE doesn't make sense. There is just as much chance that trading YANDLE makes the team better based on what comes back and how the players that are left play. GORTON can't sit there and do nothing out of fear. He needs to earn his pay and do what is necessary.

Vic


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:09 pm EST

For me, seeing a lot of the Ranger topics discussed here make it to "print" serves as confirmation that you folks know what's going on... Grateful :-)

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:06 pm EST

DEREK STEPAN has 8 points in his last 10 games (3 goals, 5 assists) and 6 points in his last 6 (1 goal, 5 assists)

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:05 pm EST

Wow, Brooks just repackaging everything that's been said on here for while...To be fair, I'm sure it's the same at most Ranger internet chat sites...But he could have put something original or interesting in there...ala ."have heard Rangers have some interest in Leo Komarov of the Leafs and Teddy Purcell of the Oilers...."..............Also, where Brooks says he can only see the rangers dealing a 1st rounder is if they trade Yandle for one (I think they can)....I see the opposites, they only trade Yandle for a #1 if they plan on dealing it..Semantics, I guess..

Hospo


Wed Jan 27 2016 12:04 pm EST

I too prefer to keep Yandle. It should be obvious to most who watch that the combination of Yandle-Mac has been rather effective not to mention Yandle appears to really like playing with Mac. I don't know about anyone else but I cringe everytime AV has Yandle with Boyle on the ice together. I think the combined skills of Yandle-Mac form a nice chemistry when together and wish we could see a larger sample of it. Their skill set together remind me to a "lesser" extent of Leetch-Buke. (Skill set and chemistry wise so don't slay me). To me that's something worth keeping and improving on in the future.

stepunmytoe


Wed Jan 27 2016 11:27 am EST

Question:””IF”” keeping YANKLE is the difference between making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs vs being eliminated in the 1st round Is it worth the risk of losing him for nothing by holding on to him? How about making it to the ECF’s vs being eliminated in the 2nd round? How about Making it to the SCF’s vs being eliminated in the ECF’s? ………. Personally, I was NOT aware of Boyles recent production until reading LB’s (thank you) article……. I am reluctant to trade YANKLE, I’d sooner trade GIRARDI and have Boyle serve as our Achillies heel on defense knowing we have DIAZ also a RHS who theoretically would be closer in ability than having a guy like SKJEI fill in for KEITH YANDLE…. (comprende’ amoigo’s?) …….. Because I believe that defense ultimately is going to win us or keep us “in the game” and because of our contract & cap management issues, I think the thing to do is trade from the center position….. I’ve been touting trading Stepan, but if we need to trade HAYES (who like McIlrath I believe deserves until next years trade deadline before we give up on him, don’t forget our “cap condition here folks) so be it.........

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 10:43 am EST

The Password is: equanimity

mf


Wed Jan 27 2016 10:14 am EST

Just hope Yandle doesn't suffer a season ending injury before Gorton hears a who trades him.

RF4L


Wed Jan 27 2016 9:21 am EST

I just read Brooks article and have to say I agree and not because he essentially repeats one of my last posts. Great minds.... you know.

gene_carr


Wed Jan 27 2016 9:14 am EST

Hospo: As I said I have not seen them play but apparently the new guy Jensen has been lighting it up and playing effectively? Graves leads the D in scoring.

gene_carr


Wed Jan 27 2016 9:05 am EST

Puckyou- Is a first pick really a good return? Any team picking up a rental is picking really late in the first round. Odds are that a late 1st round pick amounts to nothing...

Ola


Wed Jan 27 2016 8:44 am EST

BROOKSIE: Thanks for supporting my argument in your column today......."By the way, if the Rangers could somehow get Andrew Shaw out of Chicago in a deal for Yandle, that could be the ultimate."

Vic


Wed Jan 27 2016 7:38 am EST

Brooks' article is rehash of what we have been saying most of the season and a lot lately regarding Boyle. Gorton is the gm- he is the only one who can alleviate this insanity re: Boyle. AV can't put Big Mac in street clothes & Boyle out there if Boyle isn't here (Hartford)- OR-if Yandle isn't here. Of course, if Yandle gets us a #1 pick or power forward, that is a good return but doesn't help us with only 2 left defenseman and four righties. Anyway, Gorton should address it over the break rather than at the deadline if he can. The next half should begin with a new team

puckyou


Wed Jan 27 2016 7:38 am EST

Ladies and gents, the Neeeeeeeeeeeeew Yooooooooooooooork Equuuuuuuuuuanimitors (ping http://nypost.com/2016/01/26/rangers-deadline-strategy-hinges-on-one-dominant-issue/)

Ola


Wed Jan 27 2016 6:15 am EST

“This is definitely him,” Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said of Brassard, one of his favorite players. “He had to be very displeased with his play (in Ottawa). That’s his home, friends, family, everybody. He didn’t have a very good game, so there is no doubt that he wanted to bounce back. I didn’t have to tell him or the team very much before the game.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/27/rangers-brassard-hope-his-luck-is-changing/#sthash.iHXEbLoq.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jan 27 2016 5:47 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/26/rangers-deadline-strategy-hinges-on-one-dominant-issue/

stevielegs


Wed Jan 27 2016 2:35 am EST

A little report from Europe. Saarela is really hot in the top Finish League. Have scored a lot of goals lately and seems to have taken another step after the WJC. Robin Kovac is doing well for his AIK, and has especially been a monster in SOs. The kid is a bit Prucha like. I wouldn't compare either to Buch or Duke, but both are actually good prospects for sure.

Ola


Tue Jan 26 2016 11:44 pm EST

Where are the "5 teams who should pursuit __________enter NY Rangers player here_________ articles? Its always the Rangers pursuing the hot name.........does any fuggin GM think that Yandle, Klein, Kreider, Stepan , Staal or Girardi can help their teams and bring back a decent bounty?

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 26 2016 10:41 pm EST

Remember when we used to like Hags? What is it three assists in 4 games? Im not liking Hagelin in the East Coast. Go west young man - go west.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 26 2016 10:16 pm EST

Pitt shut out the Devils 2-0... Kessel scored again, Hagelin got an assist on the goal.... They're starting to put it together.... URGHHH

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 9:07 pm EST

Andei I'm not assuming . I read hagelins comments and fishboys , and conclude the only asset management was to get something for hagelin . They were winging it at the draft . You are giving those 2 daffy ducks too much credit for doing their due diligence and having a real plan. I doubt they even shopped hagelin before that day. They are pro cya guys backing into their cap- mate management . I'm not impressed by Sather and fishboys accomplishments for the nyr nor their management styles or abilities. I'm waiting for fishboys deadline deals .

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 8:04 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/five-ideal-teams-to-pursue-an-andrew-ladd-trade/

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 7:34 pm EST

Andrei: reread your post, just wanted to point out that trading Yandle leaves us needing a ""LHS D'man not a RHS."" ...... Do you think that Yzerman would take on Girardi in place of Yandle? So, HAYES & GIRARDI the rental that is Stamkos & DROUIN... We could probably offer to take on Mattias Ohlund who is on the LTIR & under contract at $3.6mill as a sweetener........... Looking Forward: With Girardi & one of Stepan or Brassard traded, and Boyles $4.5mill off the books, we could probably offer Stamkos an 8 year $10mill deal (Kopitar money) and still manage to sign YANDLE up to $6.5per.......

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:18 pm EST

stevielegs, you assume that Hags wanted a bridge deal. I don't. I never buy this crap that teams let good players walk without making offers. Asset management is what comes first, every single time. At some point Rangers made the decision how much they were willing to pay. Rangers knew how much Hags was looking for. They knew that they can't meet that price. They knew that he was going to get that amount from another team and they came up with plan B. You can't pay $4 mil for a 3rd liner when you are up against a cap.

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:17 pm EST

andrei - I hope your right. Maybe I'm over critical of my own team. The Rangers (to me) are a team with no identity, have long term contracts that's taking a lot of cap space. I would think he wants to go to a contender. I hate to think this but the islanders look to have a better shot at the cup until we can clear up some cap space. andrei - I want to be wrong so bad.

DREW


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:13 pm EST

STEVIE - Bingo, I actually meant to say bridge under water!.....

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:10 pm EST

the right move was a bridge deal for hagelin, but they be in double trouble with yandle and him unsigned.....if the goal is the cup this tear, it's balls to the wall......beachnuts got them, does fishboy......?.......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:05 pm EST

Hospo more like water over the bridge or bridge over troubled waters.....let's see fishboy swim upstream....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:01 pm EST

gene_carr - Good to hear on GRAVES...I know SKEJI was struggling early on, I was hoping to hear that he was improving,,Maybe both are playing well now helping the Pack to a 7 game wiining streak?..It can't be the offense where two of the biggest goal scorers are Chris Nehring and Nick Tarnasky!

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:01 pm EST

Steve, who is this "writer". Man, i could have written this garbage. So signing another overrated player to a fat contract is not mishandling. But not signing him, is? So Rangers should have known in June, that Dylan MC would make a huge progress. Same Dylan that most people were wondering if he would even be contact qualified. Same Dylan that most fans and most people in the league, before the season, considered a draft bust? So Rangers should have traded KK and let Dylan take over his role? Does this guy ever watch games? Yes, we should have signed Hags to a 4 year, 16 mil contract to play on the 3rd line. I can only imagine how much Sather would have gotten killed in the press and here on the board. have Rangers signed him and he shown same star quality (16 points in 47 games). Surely deserving $4 million. I love this part: "In the case of keeping Hagelin in Manhattan, sticking Tanner Glass in the minors and passing on free agents Viktor Stalberg and Jarret Stoll (who they have since released) could have freed up precious cap space. Heck, the Rangers could have recouped $2.9 million in cap room by dealing away Kevin Klein and allowing right-handed prospect Dylan McIlrath to assume a full-time role."

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:59 pm EST

andrei i'd take stamkos as a rental, if he's willing.....to sign him will force drastic trades in the off season .....but the price has to be reasonable, which is doubtful from the spoiled tampons.....going for the cup is rarely inexpensive.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:55 pm EST

STEVIE - Water under bridge, but why Gorton has to make the right move(s) over the next month..The Rangers and AV deserve another forward

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:48 pm EST

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/01/25/carl-hagelin-new-york-rangers-sean-hartnett/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:48 pm EST

I have not seen the Pack play so I can't comment but Graces is the Pack player going to the all-star team and not Shej?

gene_carr


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:47 pm EST

gene_carr/stevielegs/mf are guys joining the Stamkos bus that i'm trying to drive? I can bet, my trade proposal is going to show up in the Larry Brooksie weekly post, very soon.

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:42 pm EST

DREW, let's put our Rangers feelings aside. You are a hockey player. You are a star player. You can choose to sign with any team. Why in the world would you want to sign with a joke organization, like Isles? What about playing in Brooklyn, above all, that would make anyone want to sign with them? Let's set aside the fact that Barclay Arena is not design to host hockey games. Let's set aside challenges that players have every day commuting from/to the practice/games. Keep in mind, players talk to each other. I hear more then rumblings that Isles players are not happy at all, with the current setup. Let's put all of it aside. Let's talk pure team rankings/depth. What exactly, in the eye of the superstar, by looking at the Isles roster, would make you think that Isles on the rise vs Rangers on the decline? Yes, Islles have Tavares. Same Isles, that have failed to provide your superstar center with capable wingers. Isles have no real depth on the defense. No depth in goal. Decent depth on the wing. What else? Have they won at least a round in the playoffs last 20 years? Think about it. You are Stamkos. You are 25 years old. You consider your self a number one center, a superstar. Why would you play a secondary role to already a superstar center in Tavares? Sorry, dude. I don't see it....

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:34 pm EST

now=know

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:34 pm EST

I have felt for some time that we will be in the running for Stamkos when he becomes a free agent. He will not, I repeat he will not be traded. He must approve a trade and there are only two options on the table. He resigns or walks. He is not going to approve a trade unless it is to a team that he wants and has committed to his agent that he will meet his salary demands. That being the case patience is the watch word.

gene_carr


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:34 pm EST

fishboy feeling the heat? is there a move that won't be controversial?....very doubtful.....he's in cap-mate.....i'm guessing sather has told him move yandle if you not resigning by the deadline , and get a forward in return .....then it's Diaz et al from Hartford.... hopefully him and veenyo have smith keenan balls , and now who to get to really go for it......sather is probably still pining for stamkos, who he claims he once had a deal for..... it's going to be a long month.....leap----year-----jump.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:21 pm EST

andrei - We are Ranger fans so you know my answer, however, as much as it pains me, the Islanders may be a more appealing destination. They haven't won anything in a while but they look to be the better team and will have the cap space and flexibility to compete. Their window is opening while ours is closing.

DREW


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:17 pm EST

RF4L - Looks like we will be agreeing to disagree alot over the next month..:) Should be an interesting place between now and March 1!......MF - I have read that WPG wants to extend BYFUG before the deadline, which would go a long way in determining what they do with LADD (if he extends, they deal LADD).. Howe ver, BYFUG may decline and want to play the market as a UFA and then they might decide try and extend LADD long term before March 1..If they can't come to terms, then they probably deal him..Looks like that situation come down to the deadline..not helping matters

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:16 pm EST

mf, Hayes is actually a center, playing a wing. Fits the description. Plus TB has a log jam of centers. Hayes fits well.

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:13 pm EST

DREW, imagine you are Stamkos. You hold the cards. Would you want to be traded to NYI (team that had not accomplished anything in the last 20 + years) or the Rangers?

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 5:01 pm EST

Y18: I hear ya man...

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:58 pm EST

MF huge difference between a drop pass and a cross ice one timer while being stationary.

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:55 pm EST

andrei: t/y: in your scenario, I was reading that Hayes would replace Drouin on the wind and thinking that Yzerman would want a center from us in addition to Yandle.....

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:48 pm EST

I've seen Kreider lean in to a Stepan drop pass and let go a Howitzer... The Kid just had it lined up in his wheelhouse I swear it had to be one of the hardest shots in the league.... Problem is, he does it so rarely, and he's rarely on the right wing where he may be way more effective......

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:46 pm EST

andrei - what about the Islanders landing Stamkos. I know Tavares' free agency is 2 or 3 summers away but he would put them over the top.

DREW


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:46 pm EST

RF: take off your rose colored glasses.. (that's a joke) Here's the Stats: Stafford: 25g/18a/43pts/ .54ppg ------ Ladd: 17g/29a/46pts/ .56ppg ------ The two total 1.1ppg ------- Fast: 12g/17a/29pts/.36 ppg ---- Stepan 17g/22/a/39pts/.54ppg -- the two total .90 ppg ..... That's a significant difference....... The first pair is getting you a ppg the other pair is getting you a goose egg some nights.... A bit of an abstract way to look at things, but that's ok

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:44 pm EST

Kis you ever see kreiders one timee? It's a trick question he doesn't have one lol that's why you don't see him setting up there much like Nash kreider needs to shoot while moving with the puck

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:39 pm EST

Kreider the problem is he was drafted out of high school he was a beast compared to those kids he's a beast by NHL standards but he is niwbfacing elite goalies not guys who went on to be bankers.

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:39 pm EST

Looking at the crystal ball before trade deadline. Reading what's out there as far as what teams are looking for, i can see following trades. Let's start with Stamkos. There is an offer on a table for him to resign with TB. Not sure what is really going on between Stamkos vs Yzerman, but the feeling around the league that relationship is not good. It might have started when Marty St Louise was traded and how he was treated. Pro players are very sensitive, especially when they are considered a team corner stones and have carried the team for a long stretch of time. If he is not resigned before trade deadline, he will be traded. Having a NM clause, Stamkos might be holding all the cards on where he wants to be traded to. Let's for a minute stop here. How many teams in the East are real contenders and have a real pedigree to back it up? O'key, TB since they are raining East Conf champs. Then who? Florida, Det, Boston, Montreal? Please.... It leaves Wash and Rangers. So Wash would be one place, then it is Rangers. So if he wants to stay east then it is the Rangers. If he wants to go West, then it is Chi/LA/Dallas. He will never be number one center on any of those teams in the West. So, really, out of all contending teams, Rangers are the only team without true number one Center, and he is that guy, in his mind. So let's put yourself in SS shoes. You know that you are not exactly happy with current TB situation. You have no desire to resign. Why wouldn't you be asking to be traded to the only contending team that you know you can take to the finals and possibly win the cup with? Let's look at Jonathan Drouin's situation. He is certainly be traded. Reason on why he is not traded yet, could be SS contract. Maybe it is a stretch, but I have a felling that SS and JD will be traded together. If you are Stevie Y, if Rangers offer you Yandle and Kevin Hayes as a base for Stamkos and JD, would you do it? Me thinking that it is more then a fair offer. Again, MSL wasn't a pending UFA. Stamkos is pending UFA. You don't have much leverage here. Me also thinking that Kevin Hayes is more then a fair offer for JD. I don't buy it for a second that GM's are offering a ton of better prospects and roster players for JD and begging Stevie Y to take a deal. I think there are offers for JD, no doubts about it, but i don't think that as high as TB management wants them top be. So SS holds the cards on where to be traded and JD value is now at all time low. Would you take Yandle and Kevin Hayes, and maybe a conditional pick based on Yandle resigning with TB and SS resigning with the Rangers. I can see the deal like this to go down. It leaves Rangers with choice on what to do next. So you have Brass and Stepan, and now Stamkos. One of the Brass and Stepan will need to be traded to clear the way for Stamkos. I can't see Rangers trading Brass, which means that Stepan will be the clear choice. Let's see where he might be traded to. I like MF's idea regrading Ladd and Stafford. If you are Kevin Cheveldayoff, would you be interested in Stepan? Not sure, but he might be intrigued. Will he do Ladd/Stafford for Stepan as a base? We might need to include a roster player. MF, maybe, you are onto something here. Stepan/Fast for Ladd/Stafford and a high pick? We will be left with just needing a depth RHD d-man to replace Yandle.....

andrei


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:25 pm EST

Hospo/VtRanger: I don't think there's anything Gorton can do to position this team as a legitimate cup challenger. I hope I'm wrong but given the cap issues and all those NMC contracts, it seems impossible to me. What's more plausible is moving a few pieces out and commence a retool although as I've said previously other than Yandle going for a pick I don't see anything of that nature occurring until the draft (if it occurs at all). IMO, trading youth for vets will be a HUGE mistake that will only compound the weak feeder system Sather's recklessness has caused. We can and should agree to disagree of course.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:24 pm EST

Stepan is having a down season no doubt. And while I'm not glued to the guy in any respect I am also not at all interested in seeing him moved. And in today's rapidly expanding economy with little cap movement you may not be surprised if he becomes a great value at his number. Frankly, I appreciate all your trade scenarios but I look at it like this: There is more to it then player A for xxx and their production. If we did it like that then Yandle would have been a much better trade then what it has resulted in. Not that Yandle has been terrible. But Yandle also for whatever reason is not a "preferred" option on AV's bench. Oh well. I am firmly against wholesale changes to this lineup. Only, incremental steps. They aren't winning right now and don't look so hot but we are also only half way there and still lots of hockey to be played.

E


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:17 pm EST

Hospo: I hear you loud & clear on Winnipegs center situation... Stepan would be like having a 1a, 1b, 1c, configuration which they may or may not be fine with...... Again, I throw this out here to get ripped apart, hear the yeah's & or nays, with the hopes that when our collective opinions make sense, someone on the NYR brass reads it and just maybe, we had an influence on a trade..... Longshot but certainly a possibility................... So say Winnipeg won't bite: Stepan & Fast to St.Louis for Backes & Schwartz????? Here's a time Mess11 could be of service........

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:11 pm EST

Hospo: if Winnipeg is interested in re-signing LADD, they can do it in the off-season just like the Yotes did with Vermette... Why pass up on the opportunity to bring in an asset (FAST) when you're not making the playoffs anyway.......

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:09 pm EST

Bob: Moving Yandle for any of those you mention brings us back to either promoting SKJEI, playing a RHS Dman on the left, or finding a new 3rd pair LHS D'man..... LA's roster: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=LA

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:08 pm EST

MF - here's the thing..The Jets don't want to trade LADD,,,If they trade him it's becasue they can't or won't pay him and want to save the money to TRY and sign BYFUG..They already Have players like STEP in Little and SCHIEFLE (been hurt) and they won't want to pay him with money they need for BYFUG (very popualr in Winnipeg)..IMWO, if you want Ladd and/or Stafford from Winnipeg the return will have to be young players with low contracts (Hayes would probably be a good fit given his talent)..And this doesn't help NYR capwise

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 4:00 pm EST

Gaborik is a 3rd-4th liner in LA these days. Saw them a couple weeks ago. He is not playing on the power play. He played with Dustin Brown and Trevor Lewis behind wingers Lucic, Toffoli, Pearson and Dwight King. Had a few chances. Sure speaks to the depth of young, big kids in LA. Jordan Nolan is on the 4th line. I would send Yandle there for Gabby and King, Pearson or Nolan.

Bob


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:51 pm EST

E: I try to reason these out before posting.... Ladd & Stafford are two 30 yr old seasoned players who come to work with lunch-pail in hand. They also know what it takes to win... Moving Stepan for 2 wings gives us some insurance if a wing goes down to injury (see: Rick Nash) and keeping our defensive 7 intact does the same for the backline.... After last season we found 4 D guys were playing with injuries..... Moving Stepan is also a Step in the right direction of managing our $Cap$ .... Is it perfect, no, but what it does do is focus our achilles heel as the center position.... BFD, the whole league knows what we have at center... What we will have though is depth on the wings throughout as compensation... Nash, Ladd, Krieder, Glass ........ MZA, Stafford, Miller, Paille....... (Stalburg or Fast) on the periphery based upon who is traded along with Stepan to make the deal work..... This pushed Kreider down to 3rd line, possibly 4th line based upon whether he's on his game or not at a particular point in time.......

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:51 pm EST

RF4L - I TOTALLY disagree with you on your last post...First, with one addition up front, this team can and will challenge for the Cup....Second, if you deal Yandle, it's to help the team now up front for the Cup Run IF you think the D is good enough without him..There should be no "recouping" for assets IMWO..... not in a year when the Rangers are currently 3rd in the East after playing like crap for over a month....and only Wash has had smooth sailing...Go For IT Gorton!! Get That FOrward and Make the Cap Work!

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:45 pm EST

MF: damn, forgot about that little fact. RF: that's why I prefaced with "win now." If they're going for it this year, you forget about recouping the future assets that were dealt for Yandle. Win now means you are only concerned with getting better in 2016 and is the only reason you swap Yandle for Ericksson. Not saying I agee with that approach, but was just pondering whether we are a better team with Eriksson over Yandle.

VtRanger


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:39 pm EST

mf: AV adjust? Ahhh...he didn't do that in Vancouver and he's shown zero inclination to do so in NY. I think it's not gonna happen and yeah, assuming the Rangers make the POs, it'll be how quickly they get bounced IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:37 pm EST

VtRanger: If you're gonna swap one UFA for another why not keep Yandle. For me he's moved to recoup some of the bounty Sather coughed up to get him. That should Gorton's primary focus IMO. This team, unless something very dramatic occurs in the next month, is no where near challenging for a cup so Gorton needs to suck it up and do the right thing. Foresight, alas, doesn't exist amongst most GMs.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:26 pm EST

BTW, the Final Jeopardy Question for Yesterday was......Who is the Hartford WolfPack's Leading Scorer?

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:25 pm EST

E - Totally agree on all that.................................As VTRANGER mentioned, iF YANDLE is dealt, will Boyle, MCD do the trick for AV as puck movers? In that vein, anybody know how SKEJI os progressing down in Hartford? You never know.....All i know is Hartford has been playing better as a team and is riding a 7 game winning streak..

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:12 pm EST

MF: the New York Rangers are a defense first hockey team. Their entire game plan is predicated on puck possession. Defenders who can strip the puck and spread pass to back off the fore check so the New York Rangers can carry the puck with numbers. Get the lead and play 4 on the halfboards. Nothing overly unique. What the New York Rangers are and aren't is reaching a certain level of absurdity. Such is the way when you see a team not playing well. I would agree that as long as they aren't firing on all cylinders they need to play more conservative. That one is all on AV. Where I fault the management is in the team structure. I don't think they have the proper "mix" and to win. Not enough grizzle and grind. Not enough petulance. JMO

E


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:11 pm EST

OLA: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/prospect-need-to-know-meet-swedens-top-2016-nhl-draft-hopeful/

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:10 pm EST

find

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:09 pm EST

VTRanger: YANKLE is a LHS Defenseman... Moving him means that AV needs to promote SKJEI or fing a LHS 3rd pair Dman.... AV has shied away from playing defensemen on their off-side so to speak.....

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 3:06 pm EST

Assuming that the Bruins and the Rangers both decide to "win now" and the cap implications can be worked out, do both teams improve themselves by swapping Loui Eriksson for Yandle? We get a solid wing, Boyle has to be relied on as our primary puck moving d-man and Mac plays full time? Not sure Yandle would make a difference on their squad.

VtRanger


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:57 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ducks-horcoff-suspended-20-games-for-violating-performance-enhancing-substances-program/

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:56 pm EST

SLegs: Smell "A" has the 5th best record in the league & is slightly under the cap..... Gabby can change a game.... Can't see them moving him, and for whom? during a Cup run..... Can you?

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:50 pm EST

are they shopping gaborik ?

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:49 pm EST

s/b - GATE

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:48 pm EST

AV had better adjust if he wants to do more than just make it to the SCF's.... It's a different brand of Hockey (Duhhhhh) Defense first, clamp down on the mutha, and when the opening to transition presents itself, make sure the horses fly out of the game...... jmo snatcherally

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:41 pm EST

STEVIE - And it's why they get fired when their way stops working..GM needs to know when to pull the plug..versus bringing in more players to help....Though AV has struggled this year, I think he deserves the offensive help he didn;t get this off-season

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:35 pm EST

fishboy has to get guys that fit veendontknow's speed system unless he has other plans !!!!!!!!!! gaborik didn't fit the former pos coach's philosophy....a tempered combo of veenyoyo and talkerella is what's really needed....probably doesn't exist....they are mostly all narcissists....once in a blue moon they reluctantly admit their mistakes and shortcomings.....but rarely adjust and improve .....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:32 pm EST

http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=617871

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:32 pm EST

RF: You ray of sunshine :-) here's Staffords career stats predominantly on a Beefalo squad .... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4810# ............. AND HERE'S SOME HIGHLIGHTS....THIS GUY IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD IN TRADE AND WHAT WE NEED. (and yes I'm shouting typing in capital letters) Look at where this guy scores from.. Always from within the tops of the circles with most of his goal down below the Dots, and around the crease......... I'm getting angry! :->)

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:30 pm EST

Along with Mcilrath, other teams will likely be asking about SKEJI, Lindy, and Buch if the Rangrs come fishing for vets.......A Yandle trade for a #1 and more couls also provide ammo for a scorer....Other teams are not going to just help the Rangers and give away players..

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:23 pm EST

Stafford is slow. Contrary to how most play the game today. Winnipeg is slow and part of the reason they are 5th from the bottom. Their GM is obsessed with size and where is it getting him? You need some - they have too much of it.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:23 pm EST

Y18: just for you.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl3MCtvlzf4

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:22 pm EST

mf: I guess I didn't. But that's too much going the other way for the Rangers. Ladd is a pending UFA. Stepan isn't.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:20 pm EST

HOSPO: LADD & STAFFORD help now..... Collectively they help more than Stepan.... If we need to add another warm body such as FAST, I think we can then ask for a pick in return.... It may come down to swapping 2nd rounders, our # 54 for their #35..... Whatever, it would serve as a concession on their part.. "Capiche'?"

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:20 pm EST

moof heinz i missed most of the ottawa game, and refused to watch it later...thankfully....this team gives me enough agita, so i decided not to be a masochist.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:15 pm EST

RF: re: your post of: Tue Jan 26 2016 12:12 pm EST.........are you now talking about their 2nd round pick? ................... Slegs: Ottowa took Glass out early the other day, easily replaced................ NN: That's why Drew Stafford is included in the deal... Stafford a TOP 6 RHS RW is signed for one more year after this one at $4.35mill..... IF we include FAST or Glass or say Borque from Hartford, we ask for a pick too....... Of Course Stepan is too much to pay for LADD "the Rental" who we will not sign, that is unless he signs a contract like Antoinne Vermette did to re-up with The Yotes... IMO that was the best off-season signing in the league.......... Y18: understood, why are the coaches & braintrust not seeing this??? Big Problemo IMO.......... RF, again, I moved on to their 2nd round pick, did you read clearly???

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:13 pm EST

Kreider is big and has been tried in front of the net. How about putting ...... Stalberg in front. Big guy 6'3. Tips pucks. I think he is probably a pain in the ass. He might be good in front. How about putting kreider on a circle aka OV and letting pucks fly at the net. Kid has a strong shot. Also I would try McI at a point. He passes well and has a canon

KIS


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:11 pm EST

And secondly, The other part, is that I think it will be true...The Rangers don't play Big Mac all that much now , don't have a top draft pick or good prospects, but other teams have seen how he can play in the NHL.....and you can bet your sweet ass they will ask about him...And why the Rangers shouldn't trade him!....Most people would see this train of though as complimentary to Mcilrath..

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:08 pm EST

York18 - Honestly? A good part of it is becasue I wanted to get you riled up and bust your balls....!

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:08 pm EST

Exactly RF. I know Pafan and myself hope that doesn't happen and I'm sure many others on the wall

KIS


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:08 pm EST

I think that the rangers need to keep young guys like McIlrath. Low cap hit and control. Unless Ryan Graves and Brady tear it up in Hartford, they cannot afford to deal Mc.

Bob


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:06 pm EST

big mac is boyle's replacement next season, unless they have or get somebody better....fishboy will be a bald eagle by march....he's probably pulling his hair out ....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:04 pm EST

And Hospo - I concur that it seems reasonable McI's name is coming up in trade talks, but not (hopefully) because Gorton considers him expendable; instead it's because he's played well when AV's dressed him and he brings to the table what so few d-men do anymore. Oh my it would suck to see him moved and mature into a top 4 physical d-man with some offensive pop for another team. SUCK!

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 2:02 pm EST

If Gorton trades McI I will be VERY pissed. All this waiting for him (and thanks to AV we are still waiting more often than not) and then he's traded away? Geeeeeeeeeeesh.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:52 pm EST

Hospo please explain why every trade you talk about has McL name in it? You claim to like the kid yet you talk about trading him regularly usually one doesn't trade away players they like

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:15 pm EST

MF/DOUBLEN - LADD does have a NTC but it's kinda meaningless right now, I'm sure he would go to any contender..IMWO, the Rangers are not going to trade Step or Brass, they are not going to deal a player they think can help them win NOW...I think it will be the opposite, they will only deal for players that help them win NOW....not picks or prospects.....LADD does indeed fall into that category and would be a good get..But will take something we likely do not want to give up (they don't need YANDLE, they already have probs with BYFUG)...One player I could see Winnipeg wanting is Western CA boy Mcilrath,,.In fact, I bet most teams will be asking for him..

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:14 pm EST

MF look where stepan scores and how its how I described. The thing is you have to change his role he passes because he plays the qb role change that take the puck off his stick hell give it to Hayes and have him set up where I'm saying he has a good one time smaller from there

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:13 pm EST

stevie: The Kings want Yandle, so that makes sense. I can't believe the Oilers are interested in him (given his pending UFA status) so if they were there looking at the Rangers, it's someone else.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:11 pm EST

sorry mf, you just aren't getting their first pick.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:06 pm EST

how much to get gaborik back? he should have never been traded...thanks talkerella......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:04 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JANUARY 26, 2016 12:51 PM Should have mentioned there were a lot of scouts last night, including two (one of them Mark Osborne) from LA Kings, and Edmonton GM Peter Chiarelli, among others. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/26/rangers-sabres-in-review-5/#sthash.vYZY2LfH.iTdIls1L.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 1:03 pm EST

MF: LADD does have a NTC (no idea if it's limited or not). Reading around, he wants 6 yr/$6 million; so no way he would be resigning here; trading Stepan for a pure rental is just way too much.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:52 pm EST

moof Heinz what # are you today 55?....they need glass for protection until big mac sees more than 1 game per month. most of the rest of this team has their gloves glued on, and gonads in a Gerber jar at home......or a ketchup catsup bottle if you prefer.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:45 pm EST

Nope, no Buch in this deal...... Our 1st pick next year is number 54 in the 2nd round, Winnipegs 2nd rounder is #35, so Stepan & Fast for Ladd / Stafford and their 2nd rounder....... BTW, I'd rather send them Glass over Fast if we could pull that off.... It frees up an extra $500k, get's glass off the books for next season, and I'd rather have a 4th line configured of 3 of these 4 guys: Fast / Moore / Stalburg/ Paille

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:41 pm EST

rf you want to toss in a prospect ? ...what time is it? year? ....buch is one i wouldn't unless he wants to stay in Russia. ...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:36 pm EST

mf: I dunno - I just don't see the Jets giving up that pick. Toss in Buch and you might get their attention.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:24 pm EST

RF: That's what you guys are for, get with the program. ;-) .... I'm trying to get us (Read: YOU!) a low 1st round pick in the deal... As "Cheif of Cup-boards" I'm sure you can appreciate that....... Now, I expect a visit from NN for a smack of reality (which is totally appreciated) sometime soon......... Now back to the proposal..... What would we have to give up in addition to Stepan to pry Winnipeg's 1st rounder in addition to LADD (a 30 yr old rental, soon to be UFA, however he could be our Vermette of this season) and Drew Stafford, also 30, a RHS, who knows to drive to the net, and I bet he knows his way around that left faceoff circle on the PP. (Just a hunch) Would Stepan / Fast and our 2nd rounder get the job done???

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:12 pm EST

mf: Highly doubt Winnipeg will cough up it's first rounder. They hang on to draft picks, especially those that'll be that high.

RF4L


Tue Jan 26 2016 11:55 am EST

Hospo: Agree 99%, Brassard shoots, & IMO he has one of the best Slap Shots of all our forwards......

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 11:49 am EST

MF - That could be said about many Rangers...In general, they are more passers then shooters...Stepan, Brass, MZA, Hayes all look for the pass way too much...Even Kreider and Nash don't shoot enough whwn they have the chance...JT MILLER is finally getting aggressive with hios shooting...we need other players to do the same other then waiting for the pretty play..And we definitely need a player that goes to the slot and crease and takes that shot.

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 11:40 am EST

Hopo: I am on that bus also. Micheletti is absolutely a detraction and makes the game painful to watch. I watch alternate feeds whenever possible, I dislike him that much.

gene_carr


Tue Jan 26 2016 11:39 am EST

Y18: Thing with Stepan is that he does NOT have a history of setting himself up, adjusting his position as the open lane moves, with his stick cocked back for the one timer..... MSL did, OV does, Stamkos does, Stepan has not done this on a consistent basis, and for some reason doesn't shoot often enough.... "Sometimes I feel" (Allman Bros?) like his mindset is that he has to make the picture perfect pass which will hopefully lead to an assist over shooting... He should practice STFP and then worry about the assists... jmon.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUvxRjYqjEQ

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 11:04 am EST

Stepan on the PP he has a sneaky shot from the left circle in and has and can sneak in there much like OV does don't confuse this no comparison here just the position of where to set up. Instead of stepan being the pivot let him be the shooter. He has a good one timer from there and a quick release instead of constantly having him qb the PP release him and make him a shooter. Kreider is big and strong with tremendous balance moving him from the front of the net would be difficult for any dman let kreider remove a dman from the play by forcing him to try and remove kreider which helps shield the goalie from sight if the puck causing traffic and rebounds. Graves was a master of the garbage goals hell I'd sit kreider down and make him watch ciccarellu and andreyvhuk as well.

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 10:53 am EST

StevieLegs: your Fishboy has plenty of options: put your players into categories: centers, wings, dmen... Cross-reference your PK'ers, PP's, and make a business decision or two.......Let's look at the Centers: Stepan, Brassard, Hayes, Lindburg, Moore, with JT Miller able to fill in in case of multiple injuries to the center position.... (sidenote: Is Dom Moore going to be resigned next year?) Is Lindburg a legitimate center who should not be playing wing? Same question for Hayes? Hayes seemed to rack up the numbers playing wing (I believe) with his buddy Johnny Gadreau of Calgary. Why he can't do it here I don't know. Maybe its the talent on the NHL level and an adjustment period for him ............... The coaches and the organization had better have an accurate read on the talent of this squad.............. SO, if we were to trade a center, specifically STEPAN, because of the return he could bring, his nmc or ntc which will engage, and because of his $6.5mill dollar hit, ""COULD STEPAN & FAST GET US LADD, STAFFORD & WINNIPEG'S 1ST ROUND PICK?"" might as well ask for the moon for starters...... I read a 2016 mock draft, they have Winnipeg picking 5th overall..... This would keep our D'corp's intact and push some of our wings down a line to theoretically more comfortable roles.. IE: Kreider on the 3rd line, Miller or MZA to the 3rd line, Stalburg to the 4th line, or even Glass riding pine....

mf


Tue Jan 26 2016 10:44 am EST

IFFFF , and it's a big IF, Kreider could play consistent hockey, this team, with the way JT MILLER has elevated his game, has the potential of having two decent top two lines (i.e., MZA-Brass-Nash; Kreider-Step-Miller....Which leaves a 3rd line of some combo of Fast-Hayes-Stalberg/Lindberger....And a 4th with Moore and Glass...Still, I think a trade is necessary for several reason...1) Injuries happen!! 2).Kreider is inconsistent and can be moved down to a 3rd line if need be.....3) Yes, Fast and Stalberg have been solid, but Hayes still struggles when there isn't open ice ANd he needs a shooter to play with otherwise he doesn't fit.......4) I love Glass's effort and checking, but he does not need to play every game....5) Dom Moore's game has finally started to slip a bit this year...One player can make a HUGE difference and I/we bellyache alot about the Rangers, but look where they are in the stadnings and look around the league at the other teams haveing problems..Honestly, the Rangers still have a chance at winning the Cup.......Make it happen Gorton...

Hospo


Tue Jan 26 2016 9:49 am EST

Yorkie that is lesser lines..

WIOSA


Tue Jan 26 2016 8:33 am EST

my theory on Sunday's 3 pm game is the nyr were hung over from too much to drink on Saturday . they skipped practice because of snow....next practice is Monday...wafj...probably nhl/union rule.... .

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 8:19 am EST

York there are few reasons not to have some sort of a rotation of right handed d men instead of his treatment of big mac. all 3 regular r d men need to be fresh for the playoffs, if they make it......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 8:15 am EST

what options does fishboy have in their fishing expedition for a top 6 forward in a fishbowl , while coach obvious blow-fish continues to flounder (puns intended) ? ... he's not getting one for free....whoever he might trade has to be replaced....i would think he has a list of guys he won't and can't trade. ...i will be shocked if he wins the fishing contest....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 8:02 am EST

York- Very good point and I agree. I also think Girardi and Staal are sold short right now, on the "internet" these guys are talked about like they are done and basically worthless. Dan Girardi -- for example -- has played like what 30-40 series in the POs for this team. Not ONCE have he been exposed. Last year I followed the WAS-NYI series very closely. During the final 3 games, Nick Leddystrom and Bobby Boychuk basically folded against Washington's top unit, and the rest of the Islanders Ds were rattled by WAS heavy fore check. Girardi is a mess with his passing game at times (his stick look 8 feet long when he is handling the puck), but he is definitely not worthless. When he has been banged up this year he has maybe been worthless, but overall he is basically the same player he is now and was two seasons ago. Staal, in that Washington game we lost so "unfortunately", Marc Staal was a monster. Completely dominated his side of the ice when he was out there. The spring chickens on WAS (Burakovsky, MaJo, Kuz and co) were eaten up by Staal on a shift by shift basis. He shouldn't be underrated either. I proposed dealing both these guys just weeks ago, and before Gorton wander of to some kind of uncertain two steps back one step forward retooling thing, I rather take that path. But Staal and Girardi are far from worthless as of now.

Ola


Tue Jan 26 2016 7:48 am EST

PAL, I like Stepan, yes I know he's not an average first line center, but he is a decent two way player, actually pretty good....KREIDER? I think there are teams that would take him, but not for much longer.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 26 2016 7:46 am EST

Doc85, LMAO,,,as I posted on another site, is there a goal post in the NHL that boy doesnt like?....YORKIE, youre right. He has done very well against the lesser defensive pairings, the top two might be a problem right now, I have faith he can handle an odd shift or two right now, but not on a steady basis.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 26 2016 7:08 am EST

any thoughts on who STEPAN & KREIDER can be dealt for?

Pal17


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:37 am EST

My sign for next week's Devil/Ranger game. If Kreider hits the net-----I get a puppy.

thedoc85


Tue Jan 26 2016 6:32 am EST

I doubt anyone here us a bigger fan of wrath than I am. With that said lets take things into perspective. He has played outstanding no doubt and while I don't agree with how often he sits AV is doing one thing very well or should I say ulf is. They are matching up wrath against the second third and fourth pairs which allow him to do well and gain confidence. He will be a top D man for a long time but he's a rookie. He should be playing over biyke who has been horrible but thinking he can replace girardi today is putting the cart before the horse. He's not ready to take on the top players in the league just yet on a shift by shift basis.

York18


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:58 am EST

Finally !!!!!!...."But it should be clear by now that despite a 27-17-5 start to the year and second-place standing in the Middling Metropolitan Division, there is no longer room for blind faith. This thing isn’t turning itself around, not with this personnel. When asked on Monday if he has all the pieces currently here to compete for a championship, Vigneault punted up to Gorton. “I’m not looking for that,” the coach said. “We’re right against the [salary] cap. That’s not my job. My job is, I’ve got players here, and my job is to make them perform up to their potential. Obviously, I can say right now that I haven’t done that.”..... The truth is admitted to ....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 26 2016 12:12 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/how-henrik-lundqvists-greatness-handcuffs-rangers/

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:53 pm EST

RF4L, I know (AV stroking Boyle, Staal etc), I just dont understand, but then again...neither does anyone else....Tonights game is what the Rangers SHOULD score against a young and upcoming team like Buffalo. What is not right was the 3 on the other side, there shoudlve been 1 goal. The other two were on Hank, and he admits he shouldve gotten them. Anyroad, a nice way to start the break, hopefully we come back with a new 'tude (as in attitude Mr. Hayes and to some extent Oscar - yes you were benched, probably unjustly, get over it).You could be Dylan.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:32 pm EST

Hospo: I don't disagree. I ain't holding my breath tho!! lol

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:07 pm EST

RF4L - Going forward, the most important guy in Rangerland is obviously GORTON...He has to not only save AV from himslef and THE stubborn use of favorites..he also has to supply AV with the forward AMMO that he totally whiffed on in the off-season...

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:04 pm EST

VIC - True, but there were gift points everywhere tonight....not just for Brass.....It's what happens whren ypu play teams like the Sabres..E ven if it was win, Rangers need to forget this game other then it was a win...

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:02 pm EST

NYSTRANGER: If ever there was a game you could point to and say "see, it just goes to show you that stats don't tell the true story" this was it. Yeah, BRASSARD had 5 points tonight (if they allow that first one to stand) but never did a player do less in a game and come out of it with 5 points. Every assist was not only a secondary assist, they were also plays were after he passed the puck the two other guys passed it back and forth before the goal was scored. His touch was like 4th from the shot. And his goals????? One off of his skate after he had whiffed on it, and the other an empty net goal in a game where the Rangers were ahead by 2 with 35 seconds left. What a joke. He should write a letter to the NHL and ask them to take back the 5 points from his official stats as he didn't really "earn" them......

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:58 pm EST

WIOSA: LOLOLOL...AV stroking Boyle there....LOLOLOL...as if Boyle is the saviour. I don't get it...I just don't but it's starting to get amusing watching him trying to coy about who he prefers Boyle vs McI....just come out and say it dude - it's so ridiculously obvious. But like I said, I just don't get it....

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:44 pm EST

WIOSA - Not only are Girardi and Staal still stuggling but Kevin Klein ain't playing too good either--he needs a break bad...And then there's Boyle...Obvioulsy, AV loves his favorites and vets and Boyle fits imnto both categories......It will be up to Gorton to make Mcilrath a regular, AV won't do it unless for injury.

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:42 pm EST

Capt parmenter is almost a complete jerk ... He's full of shit too just like the coach

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:39 pm EST

Hospo your crazy ... Me too... I want Mfred $100 ... Lol...

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:39 pm EST

I swear to God, Dickaletti makes it impossible to enjoy a Ranger game...!! He doesnt STFU and you think the Rangers were playing the best team on ice with how great the opponent is and in turn how fantastic the Rangers were playing to beat them..And they both pretty much sucked...Whiffs and flubs are great plays

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:38 pm EST

Stepon: Yupppp... maybe we can extract a 3rd or 4th rounder out of them too.....

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:37 pm EST

Tonight he's joking and smiling bipolar asshole

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:36 pm EST

Huh? I like AV, but his answer to 'will Dylan see more games?' was "This is a tough time, there are a few points that separate 9 or 10 teams, we need to put our regular guys out there, i mean we need our best players out there". Does he really feel that Girardi and Staal (I do like both players but) are playing better than Dylan? I need to watch more closely.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:35 pm EST

Now it's we tonight ... This guy is full of it... Yesterday it was them

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:33 pm EST

MF ; Stepan and Fast for Ladd and Stafford ?

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:32 pm EST

Fire veenyo... This team is a hot mess... They tried to lose and he tried to help with brassard gassed and no timeout... Wafj

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:31 pm EST

Chaotic game with a lot of bouncing pucks and freak goals but, overall, Rangers were the better team and at least partially respnded to AV's disgust..........Kinda means little given the strength of the opponnent and the open ass hockey it degenerated to, but at least they pulled it together after it went 3-3 and are going into the break winning three of four instead of on a two game ;losing streak..Now they really need to get serious and decide if they want to go for the Cup---a winger/fprward neded despeately....Call me crazy, but with that addition, I think they still have a chance to win the EAST eventaully

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:26 pm EST

Stevie; Agree. Either park big Mac in front of the goalie or put him on the point and tell him to blast away. Seen enough of McD on PP year after year after year.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:22 pm EST

Put Big Mac on the pp

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:17 pm EST

Stevie- if time outs were receipts, AV's wallet would look like George Costanza's

NYStranger


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:14 pm EST

Funny how early in the game I was gonna complain what a bone headed bum Brassard is, then he has a 5 point night. Sheesh this game is wierd sometimes.

NYStranger


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:14 pm EST

The King was one of the few who played well last night....tonight, not so much.

JFC31


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:11 pm EST

6 pack and half price what's his junk pizza papa john

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:09 pm EST

Empty net wow

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:08 pm EST

That had to hurt! Chiclets flying.

NYStranger


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:08 pm EST

I cant watch...this is like Groundhog day..

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:04 pm EST

Don't call a timeout veenyo stick them up your ass

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:00 pm EST

Poor sam has to tell his wife it's the Foxwoods 5 ... Maybe he texted his boyfriend dickaletti .

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:58 pm EST

Can they get a 6 pack after a goose egg?

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:54 pm EST

AV keeps putting Klein-Stall out there after blowing the two goal lead. This team sucks at protecting leads.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:50 pm EST

Maybe I should complain more often. Love that movie. Bronx tale.

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:49 pm EST

This guy KIS......Yorkie.....put this mush in the bathroom (from the Bronx Tale)

TradeStar28


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:49 pm EST

Klein is IMHO our best defenseman...Hank? He is the best at what he does, nobody is perfect and very rarely will you see a 100% perfect game from anyone..Hank has come very close, on more than one occasion. This team owes him a cup. Miller is for real. Not just the scoring, the tenacity, the defense, the skating the extra effort..the whole package. Hayes had an assist, not sure what is what with Hayes. Zucc is - to me - a hustler, a team player, a PIA to opposition, and a never say die player. Why is this team having so much trouble? I honestly dont know.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:48 pm EST

2-35 amazing

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:48 pm EST

5-3, not enough scoring Buttman?

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:47 pm EST

Step: If we go WINNIPIG, that's not enough return for STEPAN.... We should add something to the deal, ask for Drew Stafford too...... Add tweaks to make it happen....... ST.Louis may be a good destination too, or perhaps it's time to review CBJ's line-up again.......

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:43 pm EST

Is this really his goal now? I think they took the other one away and gave it back to Dylan. Not sure.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:43 pm EST

It's Miller Time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaFZsc6Kgxo

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:43 pm EST

Klein pinching foolishly on both goals ! He has been shaky all night.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:42 pm EST

JT Miler! lol......this guy is goooooooooooooood

TradeStar28


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:42 pm EST

4-3 pond hockey

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:42 pm EST

MF. Winnepeg. For Ladd.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:41 pm EST

Wiosa that's how bad they are and the coach scratches his ass alias his head

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:40 pm EST

Stevie..do not ever underestimate the Rangers....

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:40 pm EST

There it is 3-3 lets go rangers

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:39 pm EST

So stalberg had been playing hurt ... Way to go veenyo ..3-2 ... Fragile .. That's Italian ...fra geel lay...

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:38 pm EST

Stevie..you just had to say that?

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:36 pm EST

Dickaletti stfu

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:35 pm EST

Wow 3-1 how are they going to blow this 3 rd period lead ?

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:34 pm EST

Wow, Toronto doesn't call it a kicking motion... Don't they know it's the Rangers playing?

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:33 pm EST

Anyone watch the wings attack the fishstinks like a football team?

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:28 pm EST

mf....LOLOLOLOLOL...

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:25 pm EST

Steponmytoenailfungus: Which team do you want to trade Stepan to?

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:24 pm EST

Wayne Simmonds with 2 so far tonight. Both goals scored from banging them in right around the crease where he just sets up camp.... That's a guy we could use......

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:18 pm EST

KIS- WTF are you talking about the King is over-rated??? Have you not watched any hockey the past 5 years... crazy banter

schneidw


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:16 pm EST

If MZA wasnt on the NYR's......i dont think i could watch this shit.....He is the cat's meow,,,,,,,,,Now we just need an NHL top 6 forward that has the same attitude as the NFL's Cam Newton

TradeStar28


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:12 pm EST

Stepan is a must trade IMO.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:07 pm EST

Derek Stepan's 1st SOG tonight

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:03 pm EST

KIS - you gotta be trying to get a response when you say MZA is overrated. He is always a threat, but not just scoring. He rarely makes a bad pass and is an excellent setup guy. He has the best work ethic on the team and the Rangers would suck ass without him.

nyfans


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:03 pm EST

IMHO Stepan is on the PP because he is a RHS

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:02 pm EST

VEEEEEEK-TOOORRRR no want to lose KIS

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:51 pm EST

RF Mza a good player playing with bad players and bad players for him. he is to smart for these link heads. Also McD plays way too much. I think he would be more effective if not on the ice for everything. No way he needs to be on the PP. Stepan is a waste on the PP. put JT in front of goalie. Nobody stand and screens the goalie. If you don't screen a goalie in the NHL 9-10 he makes the save.

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:46 pm EST

this team is gonna lose again

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:46 pm EST

Keep same guys on PP AV. Douche. Get Stepan, Kreids, McDonothing off. Do something different.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:42 pm EST

KIS: MZA I cannot figure out. He was the best forward without a doubt for the first 15 games. Dominant even and for a while was in the top ten NHL scoring. I thought 'wow, he's come into his own'. Then he's like the rest of the team - disappeared. I don't get it. Mind you, this is what happens when a team's in a funk - everyone is affected. After a while, when it goes on and on and on, the coach gets fired. Questions are: will this go on and on and how much on and on is needed for Gorton hears a who and fires AV. I cannot see anything like that happening until the off-season IF it happens.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:40 pm EST

KIS -- he's leading the team in scoring. He led the team in scoring once before. Hes the best back-checker on the team. If he is over rated, then the rest of the team must really suck.

JFC31


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:39 pm EST

HTF does Kreider miss that easy tap in?!? He simply can't finish....you can't teach it. Trade chip....

JFC31


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:25 pm EST

WIOSA, the king lets shit in like that all the time. All he had to do there was stand big and hug the post why is he fucking kicking and moving all over. this fucking guy lets shit in more than a superstar goalie should. You can't pay 9 mill. to a guy who can't make a difference. definitely not a goalie. There are more than plenty you can pay far less and get great results form. who has he outplayed lately.

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:19 pm EST

Third time I saw that goal, Hank shouldve had that one. Oh well, we certainly owe him one.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:18 pm EST

MZA is another overrated player. The hobbit is a fan favorite because he is small and people root for the underdog.

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:18 pm EST

Pass pass pass gas

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:16 pm EST

Ugly, that was a knee on knee...smh

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:16 pm EST

Amazing how all 3 big NY pro teams have some of the most overrated players ever. the King, Melo (knicks) and Eli (at least he won 2 championships ) yet none should be considered superstars

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:14 pm EST

king needs to be traded. I wish they could have kept the prince. He has been so overrated. I remember getting into an argument with people on this wall about who was better king or Richter. Not comparable. Trade this overrated guy. they can get a good player and some good picks.

KIS


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:11 pm EST

@#$!

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:04 pm EST

Just watched the reply - McI knew it went off Miller. Totally cool. AV is truly an idiot sometimes.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:01 pm EST

McI will be back in the pressbox first game after all-star break unless an injury or a trade occurs. AV is that stubborn and stupid.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:52 pm EST

Dylan with the assist, not too shabby ...

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:50 pm EST

He's scratched next game for showing up his teammates

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:50 pm EST

Miller...Yesssss

WIOSA


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:50 pm EST

Dan Boyle

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:50 pm EST

Wrath....Miller....goal!!

JFC31


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:50 pm EST

MILLER!!! I stand corrected.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:49 pm EST

BIG MAC!!!!!!!

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:49 pm EST

BIG FIN MAC YES

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:48 pm EST

PP is 0 for 32? LOLOLOLOL....geesh.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:46 pm EST

1 shot now 0-32

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:45 pm EST

LOL...no. But away from the shackles of MSG he might be better. JD certainly was. Totally different when he participated in the inbetween 2nd and 3rd period roundtable stuff with HNIC when he was doing colour for MSG. He even sounded different - more pronounced and aggressive in his delivery. As the MSG colour guy, he was quite meek. Not as inane was Dickiletti but clearly muzzled.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:45 pm EST

Nice play by the third line and LINDBERG was robbed. And boy would I like to punch the guy who taught KREIDER to hit the post all the time........

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:43 pm EST

Here comes the pp passing practice

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:41 pm EST

Rf can you imagine him being worse ?

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:40 pm EST

Why didn't they call up slap happy slapski

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:38 pm EST

stevie: NBC broadcast? Interesting to see if Dickiletti is better...

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:35 pm EST

Oh joy alpert in the booth with a boot in his mouth , and dickaletti the ass behind the glass ... Thanks nbc

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:27 pm EST

Ditto NYStranger....

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 7:12 pm EST

Well I am hoping Horton hears the trade winds blowing...

NYStranger


Mon Jan 25 2016 6:29 pm EST

Yeah, that's where I'm getting it from...everytime, for some reason, that man's name sounds in my head I think of the Suess book Horton Hears A Who...dunno why...

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 6:27 pm EST

Hears a who? Sounds like Dr. Seuss...

NYStranger


Mon Jan 25 2016 6:17 pm EST

hears a who? no comprende'

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 6:13 pm EST

mf: Downie is a cap hit of $800,000 for the Yotes. Rangers cannot afford that. Sather did a great job with the cap. Gorton hears a who is handcuffed with no cap room and 5 billion NMCs.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 6:03 pm EST

STEVE DOWNIE is sitting in Arizona's AHL affiliate.... He could be in Hartford, no? ... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5180

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:41 pm EST

boy guess they are desperate so hank is in ...uncle raanta will be great uncle raanta soon....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:39 pm EST

AV on 3-0 loss at Ottawa. "Yesterday sort of buckled me." Expand 6m Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Dylan McIlrath in for Dan Boyle. Henrik Lundqvist in net. 7m Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Rick Nash out tonight. Day to day. MRI today showed bone bruise.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:36 pm EST

Holy Schnikes! Dylan Mcilrath in for Dan Boyle....No other changes....NASH still out with bone bruise and The King back in net..

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:34 pm EST

RF4L - I was hoping/betting they would go into the ALL-Star break on a 4 game winning streak..Blew that...a loss to Buffalo would make for one sour break for the team and organization...Best time to deal is when you are going well and not in a panic or scared mode...Well see tonight.

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:10 pm EST

PRUST is signed at $2.5 mill & his contract expires at years end.....

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:07 pm EST

The Rangers will likely win tonight and shut down the panic and doom and gloom until after the all-star break where upon the next lousy loss it'll start up again! LOL

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 4:51 pm EST

E - That my friend, is preaching to a long established Choir!...But you are right, it is a hrad player to get..I HATE MARCHAND, but he would be perfect! Oh well, that's a dream I'll never see.....Still, The Rangers need a FORWARD with some combination of skill and grit/attitude that can play with anybody on the top three lines....Instead we have too many guys that seem to say 'Excuse Me" "I'm Sorry, are you OK?" and "Please leave me alone"..

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 4:38 pm EST

Playing with an edge, agitation , or whatever people want to call it I believe is today's enforcer. I look at cup winning teams. What's a common theme: they had some real Irtysh players. Chicago with Shaw, LA with Clifford, Pens with Cooke, Boston with Marchand, Anaheim with the whole team. Common trend? I think so. Emotion creates motion. My take has consistently been that too often the NYR are too easy to play against. Emotion makes motion. Even AV's Vancouver team had a lot of pain in the ass characters. So whether it be AV, Groton, or suddenly Sather I cannot understand why the NYR have not addressed this. Roussel would be awesome. But I cannot see Dallas hard pressed to dump him. But a skilled agitator is not too hard to find and not for much money. It is one of the single most maddeningly issues that the NYR just seem unwilling/unable to address adequately.

E


Mon Jan 25 2016 4:25 pm EST

I am rather disappointed in Dan Pallie. Damn there are so many decent professional hockey players out there, Pallie just don't seem to be in very good form...

Ola


Mon Jan 25 2016 4:16 pm EST

And the Final Jeopardy Answer is-- CHAD NEHRING (No googling)...

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 4:11 pm EST

This organization is run like a Disneyland attraction and not a hockey team. Which is why we loose more than win. You can see it even in the game broacasts. Never showing the scrums and nasty after the whistle stuff because it is not family G Rated. Can not fathom any other reason. It shows in the turn the other cheek mentality that has permeated this organization. Just disgusting and boring to watch hockey imo even when they were wining early in the season. Now these lack luster efforts really are imposible to watch. Dolan just sell the Fucking Garden already.

NYStranger


Mon Jan 25 2016 3:17 pm EST

This coach is a wimp... Neil has been getting away with this shit for years, he did it to our own Brian Boyle.... Anyone in a Senator uniform should have paid the price.... It's still hockey no matter what Buttman tries to implement...

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 3:15 pm EST

PATRICKDIV: Yep, ROUSSEL is definitely one of those guys that would help.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 3:09 pm EST

MF: Don't expect that from PAILLE, and really don't expect much from him at all. He used to be a good defensive player. I don't know how much he has left. But I don't remember him as being that kind of player. As for GLASS, he is a hitter not an abrasive player. And yesterday he was targeted early by NEIL and somebody else. He took a shot to the face early in the game on the way to the bench where he had to have the bleeding from his nose stopped. GLASS was a non-factor yesterday.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 3:09 pm EST

Vic- This team does need a major pain in the ass type on the ice. I would love to find a deal with Yandle to Dallas for Nichuskin and Roussel or Chicago for some of the good young talent but I don't think any of it is going to be happening. If we keep treading water perhaps we can get Boyle to waive his NTC and ship him to LA like Philly did for one last shot...

PatrickDiv


Mon Jan 25 2016 3:02 pm EST

Vic: I did not watch the game... What were PAILLE & Tanner Glass doing? Obviously not their jobs....

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:58 pm EST

MF: I don't disagree with the need for McILRATH in the lineup and the element he brings. But I do disagree with the idea of the Rangers not needing an emotional agitator. For at least the last 20 years this team has show the tendency to be revert to a country club environment if allowed. They would rather play and easy, clean game then a hard and dirty game. But they have always played their best when they were forced to play a hard and dirty game. That was why I loved AVERY on this team. If they were playing a game like yesterday AVERY would take it on himself to do something abrasive to piss off the other team and start scrums on the ice after every shift. It forced them to play a more physical, emotionally involved game. The Rangers don't have that now. MILLER is as close to an asshole as they have and he is nowhere near that kind of player.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:45 pm EST

VIC: I'm refering to the fact that the opposition better keep their collective heads up and on a swivel.... We needn't be dirty, but we must finish our checks... We recently played the Caps 2 x, during the first game I saw one of their offensive guys thinking about skating in on McIlraths side & he turned away.... The 1st thing that came to mind is a scouting report from YORK18 while big Mac was in the AHL, where Y18 said the opposition is afraid of his area on the ice.... He was & is right.... This whole squad can wear that reputation..... Will the Caoch allow it mixed or blended into his system?

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:38 pm EST

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/hockey-washington-capitals/talk/hows-brouwer-oshie-trade-looking-now?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:37 pm EST

VIC - Not when it is TEAMWIDE..Not when everybody is playing below expectations or past performance (Nash, MZA, Kreider, Hayes, Step, even Brass compared to last year, Moore, Staal, Girarid) or similar, with no real improvements except for JT MILLER...Yeah, agree to disagree.

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:37 pm EST

MF: I can see your line of thinking with who you mentioned in your post about Ranger players who could be playing tougher. Youa re thinking big hits....punishing checks, etc. That isn't what I was referring to. I'm referring to guys who are real assholes to play against. Guys who play a chippy and abrasive game. Guys who are miserable human beings who don't tolerate lazy, apathetic play from their teammates. Guys like AVERY, MARCHAND, LUCIC, NEIL, CARCILLO, etc. Hell, even DUBI has a lot of that in him and it is one of the main reasons I want him back if possible.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:36 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/rick-nash-does-not-look-ready-for-timetable-vigneault-gives/

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:35 pm EST

"MEAN STREAK" rant continued: JT.Miller, Stalburg, Lindberg, Brassard has an edge to him, and so does MZA...... Cold Soup Sucks Coach! Let them play with an edge..... I bet even Kevin Hayes has an edge to him.... Boyle does, Girardi does, and so does Yandle.... The only two Im sure do not is Nash & Stepan, that is unless Stepan gets a late hit to the jaw by Brandon Prust......

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:29 pm EST

Hospo, I agree. Much has to do to the toning down by the league honcho's, and on a side note, I hate high & hurtful "head shot's" on players, this game is dangerous enough, but that doesn't mean we can't play with an edge..... McDonagh plays on a whole nutha level with the edge on... Could you imagine growing up in the Staal Household??? McIlrath in a skirt? Tanner Glass, Kreider unleashed? give me & us an effin break and let the hounds be hounds.......

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:27 pm EST

HOSPO: You said..."But I also think AV has been horrenodus in working with what he has individually (almost to a man, they are underperforming) and as a team (zero identity, almost zero chemistry up front).....".......This is where we disagree. They have a team identity that they built over the last two years. And these players have all been here with the exception of STALBERG and to a lesser extent LINDBERG. When a player plays like crap, doesn't mind his defensive responsibilities, doesn't give 100% effort and doesn't do what is epxected of him that is on the player, not the coach. When it is one or two guys and the coach does nothing even though he has other options it is on the coach. When it is 10 to 14 guys and the coach has almost no options what do you want him to do? Really, what do you want AV to do? How does he fix the poor play of all of these players individually? The coach is the easiest guy to blame because there is one of him.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:25 pm EST

NN: It was rumored that the Oilers were dangling RNH for Seth Jones... Yakupov is no RNH & Girardi is no Seth Jones.... IMO, Girardi has plenty left in the tank, gives them a veteran presence they seem to need, he turns 32 this April... They might bite or counter offer, get the dialogue flowing....

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:22 pm EST

MF - This team has lacked a "mean streak" for so long...Guys like Staal, McD and the forwards always seemed to play better when they are/were pissed and physically challenged...However, that is happening less and less these days as teams just skate...It's why the Rangers need to be more proactive and aggressive first...It's why they need better leadership

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:18 pm EST

VIC - OK, I stopped after reading "Let me further confuse you by restating it another way and then folding in management. Overall, I think the issues with this organization are 90% on SATHER/GORTON, 8% on the players and 2% on AV"...I agree that SAther/Gorton made a mess of the off-season ( I HATED EVERY MOVE) and it has been hard to recover...But I also think AV has been horrenodus in working with what he has individually (almost to a man, they are underperforming) and as a team (zero identity, almost zero chemistry up front).....And then uou have undepeforming AND selfish players....Total team Effort..

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:10 pm EST

MF: Do you really think Girardi would waive his NMC to EDM; also if you are EDM, do you do that trade. If they are trading YAK, its' for a young d-man not someone on his last legs.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:08 pm EST

Under Nice Guys: Coach AV is a nice guy... Rick Nash, Derek Stepan.... I think just about everyone else is capable of showing their teeth..... This coach says, "NO!"

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:03 pm EST

Andrew Shaw: RHS $2mill then RFA http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8702

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:02 pm EST

Hospo is that a conundrum ? or just beating the drum?..... http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conundrum

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:02 pm EST

HOSPO: Let me further confuse you by restating it another way and then folding in management. Overall, I think the issues with this organization are 90% on SATHER/GORTON, 8% on the players and 2% on AV. S&G assembled this roster including all of its warts (and there are many). Ultimately 90% of the outcome is decided by those decisions and the roster they assembled. I say only 2% is on AV because I think he is, at the end of the day, a really good coach. I do not agree with every decision he has made. I do not like the way he has handled McILRATH. I don't like some of his in-game decisions and his maddening inability to call a time out. But, he doesn't control the roster. And his ability to bench players or deny playing time is severely hampered by the fact that the Rangers have NOTHING in Hartford that is NHL material. So he has what he has, and is stuck with it. He can try changing line combos and moving guy up and down the lines. He can call out the team in private.....and eventually in public. But I don't know how much more he can do. Folks want him to change his system, and I think they have to some degree. But what do you want him to do when 50% to 75% of the team is playing poorly at any given time and the guys he should be able to rely on most to produce both offensively and defensively are not? And that goes to the players. There hasn't been enough effort on many nights. Their decision making has been poor on a nightly basis. And they don't challenge each other to be better. They talk a good game but for the most part there are too many "nice guys" on this team.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 2:01 pm EST

Mark Stone: RHS $3.5mill per & two more after this season .... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8406

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:50 pm EST

STEVIE - Yes, MCD made two poor plays yesterday that hurt..But he has been the Rangers best player lately and his errors are never due to alck of effort...So, no, the apathetic players were't following Mcd's lead..OTOH, you are right, that he doiesn't seem to be a very effective leader..

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:44 pm EST

Vic the team was just following capt parmenter's lead....he cost them the game twice or more.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:44 pm EST

VIC -you are confusing me..But I really think we agree...I wholeheartedly think that yesterday's effort was ANOTHER sign of lack of leadership behind the bench and especailly on the ice..Up till now, there has been little accountability forced by AV, but I admit, he does have at times a very limited roster choices...However, all year I have been saying that the Rangers lack leadership on the ice, especially up front...No vets to ride heard over the younger players and other vets and make sure they play the Ranger way (of the past)..There has been way too much selfish, lazy and sloppy hoceky being played.

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:26 pm EST

HOSPO: Don't get me wrong. It IS and issue. But where I disagree with you is that them checking out yesterday goes to not having any real leadership on the ice or in the dressing room. If you asked me yesterday's game is maybe the most telling thing from this year that shows their lack of having a real leader on this team. I like McDONAGH a lot but I don't see him as being the kind of guy that is going to get in his teammates faces early in a game like yesterday. A coach can only do so much. When games like yesterday happen it is on the team, and specifically the leadership of the team. And who are they? Well, there is McDONAGH as the #1 leader. He is a great player but he isn't a "MESSIER" kind of leader. He also hasn't been playing well this season until lately. Then you have GIRARDI (having an awful season), STAAL (having an awful season), STEPAN (injured for much of the year and playing poorly a lot when healthy) and NASH (having an awful year and has the personality of a sloth) and BRASSARD (Mr. Invisible). This team is going nowhere without a leader that they can follow into battle.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:21 pm EST

Trades Du'Jour: GIRARDI ro Edmonton for YAKUPOV............. STEPAN to St.Louis for BACKES & JAYDEN SCHWARTZ ............. Gone are 2 of out NMC/NTC contracts which total $12mill per..... We get a first round No.1 & No. 14 pick.. (If that doesn't make RF smile, fuggetaboutit) We get faster, McIlrath gets suited for full time duty, we get a big boy in Backes (who NN :-) sayes disappears in the playoffs) in the center, and if one of Fast & or Stralberg gets sent packing or rides the pine, or Lindberg gets sent to Hartford, so be it........ AAMOF, I think we'd be a whole lot faster with Schwartz, Yakupov, and McIlrath.......

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:19 pm EST

"Nash was seen hobbling badly Sunday before the game, hardly able to bend his leg, but Vigneault thought Nash could be ready for Monday night’s Madison Square Garden match against the Sabres, the team’s final game before the six-day All-Star break. “He’s just day-to-day,” Vigneault said. “He’s not going to play [Sunday], but I think there’s a good chance he’ll be OK for [Monday]. So we’ll see how it goes here in the next 24 hours.”

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:17 pm EST

VIC - Yeah, no problem..They've been working too hard. Nothing wrong with checking out yesterday..Hell, I'd give them the day off today and just take the loss..For some reason, the team from Ottawa knew how important the game was yesterday, but the team coached be AV didn't...well, except for Quickie of course...Persoanlly, I think there is something to worry about....We do agree that they should come out with pride and anger tonight....But, you never know with this team....Which, the inconsistency in effort, is another problem..

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:14 pm EST

One other thing. We all have our wish list for players that include possible and impossible acquisitions. I've made a lot of noise here about trying to acquire DRAISAITL over the last few years. It used to be something that was "possible" but after the first half of this season that one has moved over to the "impossible" category. I still have two other targets (although not nearly the same caliber player). One is SHAW, who I've wanted the Rangers to pursue for the last few years. I know some folks would have him in the "impossible" category but he is an RFA after this year and Chicago has real Cap issues. They have young players that they can move into his spot on the roster. I think he is available if the price is right. The other guy on my wish list since last year is STONE. Every time I watch that guy play I'm impressed. Phenomenal hockey IQ. And he works his ass off as well. Love his game but he would be hard to acquire unless the Rangers are willing to part with a Center. If I'm GORTON I am trying to find out if STEPAN or BRASSARD can land me STONE....

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:13 pm EST

Trade-Generator...... or should it be called..... Trade-away-tor..... or ..... Tradeorator .... ????

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 1:07 pm EST

So, if McILRATH isn't in over BOYLE tonight then I don't know what to say. BOYLE was awful yesterday. He needs a rest. As for the team, it is hard for me to get worked up about yesterday. They stunk. Their effort level was well below par or anything remotely acceptable. Right now with the break coming after today's game I'm sure there were many of them who were mentally checked out. I expect them to respond with a more intense effort tonight but it wouldn't surprise me if they mailed in another stinker. HANK was great. I thought MILLER and FAST played well. I thought pretty much everyone else played like shit. No other way to put it.

Vic


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:56 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-leafs-looking-to-shop-pending-free-agents/

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:53 pm EST

Kreider should be camped in front of the crease, Miller too. AND, Adam Graves can coach them on what it takes.... jmhon

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:45 pm EST

OK, healthy Nash, who sits? How bout somebody that has scored 1 goal in his last 25 games and fits in with no one? Lindberger and his 1 in 18 is another candidate, but sit Hayes and go with the Swedes (Fast-Lindberger-Stalberg)..Damn, these options suck..and will suck until a deal is made...

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:41 pm EST

STEVIE - Not really, lollygagging is not doing things you usually do or at the same frequency...The Rangers basically have nobody with the size, balls, and attitude to go to the net constantly..At least, nobody that has proven so in the past......And maybe alot of the blame falls on Arniel for keeping everything to the outside also..

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:38 pm EST

Hospo that sounds like lollygagging to me .....http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lollygag

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:32 pm EST

STEVIE - You are making me glad that I gave up on and never read Carpinelo.... Again, CARP is wrong..What the Rangers need on the PP is not hustle.it is a player that ALWAYS goes to the net and crease and takes the abuse to cause screeens, tips and rebounds...Yes, Kreider should be doing but he's not and never has except for occasional visits and fly-bys.....Nobody else even trys...Everything is from the perimiter...

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:20 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JANUARY 25, 2016 12:15 PM The PP coach happens to be the associate head coach and does a lot of other things. So that’s not happening. I don’t think there’s a system on the planet, or in history, that works when guys are lollygagging and playing at scrimmage speed. When they bust it, the system seems to work just fine. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/25/rangers-senators-in-review-12/#comment-2653361

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:18 pm EST

hospo faccia cavallo.....is that Sarah ?

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:14 pm EST

RF4L: So I guess most of the other GM's in the league must have their heads buried in the sand also. It does take 2 to tango when making a trade and of course the cap implications of making a trade. What trade do you want him to make right now with the amount of NMC's and NTC's the players have on this team.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:10 pm EST

But what's most important is how much pride and anger the Rangers have in them today and do they come out and destroy the SABRES tonight as they should or do they play the same selfish, apathetic way as they did yesterday? One potential solution would be to triple shift Jasper Fast!

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:06 pm EST

5 weeks exactly to the trading deadline. Gorton hears a who??? Or is his head buried in the sand?

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 12:06 pm EST

I have said my fill About AV's horrendous year and his inability to develop any consistent Ranger IDENTITY or TEAM..Graned, he is a little hamstrung by the huge the one huge hole on the top three lines and the total impotence of most 3rd and 4th line players right now....But AV has not adapted to what he really has right now and instead coaches like he had last years team by inserting, as many of us have said for awhile, square pegs into round wholes..And that's why this team is often as ugly as Sarrah Jessica Parker...Has to be somebody that gets that reference.................No matter what that blowhard CARPINELLO says, this team needs a trade DESPERATELY to change the forward lines and add to the PP and/or PK...Not a trade for trade sake but a trade to IMPROVE this team........

Hospo


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:31 am EST

KEN GERNANDER HEAD COACH Throughout the entirety of the Hartford Wolf Pack/Connecticut Whale’s 18 seasons of existence, the one constant that has defined the franchise’s identity has been the leadership of Ken Gernander. His stellar career has always been considered hall of fame caliber by anyone who has watched the Wolf Pack, and the American Hockey League enshrined Gernander as an AHL Hall of Famer January 28, 2013........ http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/team/hockey-staff

mf


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:29 am EST

i think it's the system. they seem to like the coach.....the opposition has adjusted in how to play the nyr.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 11:01 am EST

Yep...we've been speculating on here since early December that the Rangers are playing more often than not like a team who's tuned out its coach.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:55 am EST

When does a coach admit the system being used is not working with the current oersonel? A coach that wants his job does so at about this point AV seems to believe he will go out in his sword. His system has brought him to two cup finals but fell short. He seems to have lost this team judging by his comments and his teams play they are clearly not on the same page. To say the team looked ready but wasn't when they left the locker room which leads to one of two conclusions the system isn't working or the team has tuned him out both fall on him to remedy if they are going to win. The thing I'll never understand is coaches going down with their systen. Boeman adjusted his system to his players not vuce versa. Look when he had the Russian five on the ice with federov playing defense they didn't play the same system as the rest of the team

York18


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:52 am EST

E i don't think these players are dead horses, but they sure are mostly trotting instead of running......it points to the coach having a problem motivating his team.....he must be out of carrots.....it his job to get the most out of them....that's not happening . what he is accusing the players of , he and his staff are also guilty of....the gm needs to do his job....and figure out how to fix this before the deadline.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:39 am EST

For a coach to blame the players? Of course a coach can point to a player. He can scheme, find those hot buttons, develop players strengths etc... What he can't do is make a player put a puck in a net. He can't make the player make a timely save. All these things happen on the ice. Maybe there is a stench in the locker room right now maybe they've grown complacent. Who knows but AV to me looks like a guy standing over a dead horse saying, "I don't know why it won't run" and trying to whip it to get it to stand up. But one has to wonder if the top-6 cannot find it, the season will quickly circle the drain.

E


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:35 am EST

stevie: That's a reasonable musing. It certainly wouldn't be unpredecented and oftentimes when that happens the coach comes across as stubborn and foolish. Remember the schMuclar/Smith quarrel over Manny Maholtra? Smith wanted him on the team (to prove he wasn't jettisoning all the youth) so schMucklar never played him. Idiots.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:29 am EST

time for a system update...veen-o 1.3.... reboot.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:13 am EST

Yesterday’s game was prototypical of many games this season (and I’ve seen ‘em all)…They spend an inordinate amount of time in their defensive zone having great difficulty getting the puck out of their zone…Fierce forechecking by the opposition…leading to chip shots that have no juice or are easily stopped at the blueline and the dance in their D zone continues…zapping much of their strength for when they do get it out…and then the only thing left is to dump the puck into the O zone because their tired/shift time is up…other times trying to change on the fly in the O zone or worse just they hand possession over … We are halfway thru the season and yet this “system” has not been modified in the least…I don’t know a lot about hockey but I know enough to know that this is not a recipe for success…And AV keeps trotting it out trying to prove he’s right and the players are the problem not him or his “system”…No need to blow it all up...I just don't think these players are being coached properly...VEENGOTTAGO!

RF73


Mon Jan 25 2016 10:03 am EST

rf or maybe they are, they just can't see in the mirror...it's not even funny what they are doing with this team that they claim wants the cup this year.....there is no way most of the team continues to take games off and have an off year ...there has to be more to the story.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:53 am EST

rf since we get fed bread crumbs and rumors, maybe veenyoyo and fishboy are not seeing eye to eye?.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:40 am EST

AV is ridiculously stubborn. It's gonna cost him his job. Maybe he doesn't really care too? He'll still get paid and will land another NHL head coaching job again.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:36 am EST

Ottawa is ranked 29th in the league on the PK...Not only were the Rangers ZERO for 3 on the PP...They gave up a EN SH (primary assist to McDonagh)...He made that "here, you want this?" kind of clearing pass to the opposition at least once if not twice during the game.

RF73


Mon Jan 25 2016 9:22 am EST

The Rangers paid a kings ransom for Yandel yet he gets the left overs on the PP. Boyle consistently gets first line minutes. This is just one of my beefs with AV. I hope the brass understand that this team is better than they are showing but not near good enough to win a cup. Make the moves accordingly.

gene_carr


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:55 am EST

for the coach to just blame the players is childish. does he really believe the gm and the pres want to hear that excuse?.....while the pp produces almost zero ......the gm has to make some kind of wake up call....i'd start with telling veenyo arneil has to go......reassign him to the ahl, if that.....everyone would get the message and it's not that drastic a move...

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:46 am EST

step: Seems to me AV keeps doing the same things over and over and over again regardless of how the team is playing, including refusing (for whatever inane reason) to use his timeouts.

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:45 am EST

Speaking of square pegs in round holes. Does Stepan ever elevate any wingers game that plays with him ? PP was great when he was injured. But AV keeps putting him on the PP which sucks ever since he came back.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:45 am EST

7) How much of this falls on Vigneault? Certainly not all of it, but certainly some of it. If the same guys fail to bust it repeatedly, it falls on the coaching staff too. And it’s up to the coaching staff to figure out the problem – why so many of the same guys perform this way repeatedly. 8) Also, it’s not AV’s style, but the previous maniac who coached here calls timeout in the first period there and raises all sorts of hell, or calms things down, whichever is needed. He doesn’t wait 15 minutes when his team is getting its tail kicked from, as Mark Messier used to say, “pillar to post.” 9) Again, for those who want this roster blown up after every single loss, that’s not going to happen. Some want a trade to shake it up. Well, no doubt they could use a jolt. But it would be dumb for GM Jeff Gorton to make a trade for the sake of a trade. And it would likely make them worse, now and later. He won’t do it, IMO. New York Rangers v Ottawa Senators10) I mean, Let’s say they could trade Dan Boyle for Sidney Crosby. … does that get the heads of Derick Brassard, Kreider, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello, Derek Stepan – most of their top forwards — out of their hind quarters? - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/25/rangers-senators-in-review-12/#sthash.bXn87CrZ.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:41 am EST

So AV was steamed, was he? Well, let's see what lineup changes he makes for tonight's game. Why do I get the feeling the only one that MIGHT happen is McI in and Dan Boyle out (and even that's not a sure thing, given AV's non-adoration of his rookie d-man)...........

RF4L


Mon Jan 25 2016 8:38 am EST

"Vigneault juggled the lines a bit throughout the game but did keep Mats Zuccarello on the left side — an unfamiliar place for the natural right-winger. He struggled to make an impact despite his six shots on net. “I know he likes the right side a little bit better,” Vigneault said. “But today, he’ll just have to play on the left.” Zuccarello still was partnered with regular center Derick Brassard, but the right wing of their line started with Jesper Fast and quickly was changed to Viktor Stalberg early in the first period."....square pegs round holes.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 25 2016 6:18 am EST

Av said that he thought his team looked ready before the game. This obviously shows you the read he has of this team because they looked anything but ready .......MF there is a reason you don't see wingers being faceoff men in this league its easy to say let the winger take all the faceoffs the problem is system and assignments are based on position of said player. For instance in the defensive end it is the wjngers job to release and get to the points kind of hard to do that when you're taking the faceoff and your job is to win the faceoff or cover your assignment which is the opposite center. It also means now when do you release said center for this supposed switch to revert back to wing? It's easy to say on just do this but a lot harder to actually do it when you have to take the actual game into consideration. That is one of many scenarios I can produce where that idea doesn't work

York18


Mon Jan 25 2016 5:47 am EST

Not sure if it really matters, but if we score the first goal, say if Fast pass is a little softer to Hayes, we probably cruise to two pts and everything is dandy around this team finally having find its way to back and so forth... I don't know what conclusion to draw from that. I think it was obvious last night that Nash -- even when not scoring -- is very valuable to us. We are extremely thin offensively without him. He pushes the other team back often when he is on the ice and open up space for others. Besides that, well I just think the marginals in this league are so small between just about any team. Many players for Ottawa looked good. I do think AV got a point that so many of our guys just aren't playing well right now. Nobody is taking control of the puck etc. I think our PP is still problematic. Damn, Chris Kreider having the puck on his stick on a PP just shouldn't happen at this level. Stepan is also a mess there. You need to be able to move the puck faster and with more confidence on a PP than Step and Kreider are able to do. Boyle was a mess.

Ola


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:39 pm EST

Sounds like the coach need to go

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:37 pm EST

E - The whole range of different things every night point to it not being a talent issue but mental and effort issues from the players which goes back to coaching and more...Zero leadrship from the players and behind the bench..Players not being held accountable for selfish/apathetic play..Not even the "leads by example" type becasue it's guys liek MZA, NAsh and other biiggies that afr also having off and slefish games..It really doesn't seem like a TEAM to me..

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:31 pm EST

The funniest thing I read all day?f AV and his "Other than Hank (Lundqvist) and Quickie (Jesper Fast), yadda yadda"...Enough witht his AV's and his little pet security Quickie..The guy does hustle..but the guy generates or produces NOITHING....Doesn't make me that confident in AV's pulse of the team and what it needs...............As for STEPAN,the bottom line is Brass-Step-Hayes is not the way to go down the middle...One should be traded..I wouldn't miss any one of them..All soft....I would have tradedd Step in the off-season even if he's the best all around player of the three...

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:15 pm EST

Asked if the change in travel plans had anything to do with the slow start, Lundqvist deferred. “You’d have to ask the guys,” he said. “I take care of my own preparation. I think it’s a mindset.”

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:03 pm EST

MF: I just don't see Brass on the wing. He's a natural center if ever there is one.

E


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:02 pm EST

Clearly this team is missing "that" thing right now. im not exactly sure what it is. But the lack of urgency tonight was disturbing. They just weren't ready to play whatsoever. I think some guys have earned a press box for a game or 2. I can't really put my finger on what's wrong because it seems like each game they fail somewhere else. They're about to clear the summit and start headed down the other side. Lots of high intensity games coming soon and their playoff spot padding will disappear quickly. Lots of parity. Scary stuff.

E


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:57 pm EST

In addition, he plays a relatively soft game, his NMC kicks in soon.. On it's own his NMC is not so terrible, in addition to the other 2-3 NMC/NTC "hurdles" its a pain in the ass for me to figure out trrades. :>) .... The guy has some serious trade value this year before the trade deadline.... What is theis Organization going to do at center???? Stepan, Brassard, Hayes, Lindberg, Moore.... Unless Lindburg is next years 4th line center, one of those 1st 4 names should be traded. That is, unless one of those 4 are being moved to the wing, such as Brassard who I had suggested... Let Brassard take the FO's, and play the wing.. BTW Brassard won 61% of his FO's tonight.......... Which brings me back to the unpopular topic of trading Stepan.......... Maybe this will bring TD & Rhet out of the shadows..........

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:53 pm EST

This was a team effort. With the exception of Hank and possibly JT, they all sucked scissors. That said, and I am no big fan of fighting - I would not have minded seeing Dylan go at it with the guy who tried to take Hayes head off. Not that I wouldn't love to take Hayes head off, but hey, he's our player to abuse, not Ottawas.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:48 pm EST

mf: Stepan is now in year 6 of his pro career and his scoring has been consistent - 15 to 20 goals and 50 to 60 points. Solid stats but nothing overwhelming, despite ample icetime and decent wingers to play with. Therefore, the stats you just cited aren't unusual for him. He has lots of games like that. At $6,500,000 per, he's overpaid IMO.

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:29 pm EST

Stepan had "1" SOG tonight... He played just over 19 minutes, 2:39 of which were on the PP........ Here's a boring cliche', " you miss 100% of the shots you don't take." $6.5mill per.... Shoot the f_ckin puck or be gone

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:06 pm EST

Yeah ok AV - so why do you keep dressing the same lineup over and over and over again??? Talk is cheap.

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 9:19 pm EST

Coach Alain Vigneault addressed the media for about 90 seconds after the Rangers lethargic, 3-0, loss to the Senators this afternoon at Canadian Tire Centre. But he certainly got his message - read: disgust - across. In no uncertain terms, Vigneault was furious with his team’s performance. He was asked what the team was missing. “A lot,” he said. “Every time we think we’re building a little bit of momentum we came up with one of these tonight. Other than Hank (Lundqvist) and Quickie (Jesper Fast), we had so many guys that were off their game it was unbelievable. We were on the outside the whole night. Just didn’t have a good game at all.” He was asked if Rick Nash’s absence was a factor. “Every team has got some injuries,” he said. “We can’t use that as an excuse.” He was asked if the Rangers’ preparation - or lack thereof - was a factor. “I thought before the game, if you would have asked me if this group was ready to come out and execute arnd play hard, I would have said without a doubt,” he said. “And we came out and turned it over three times and gave them Grade A scoring chances right down the middle. It’s tough to understand. I keep saying it to the players, it’s a competitive league, there’s not much separating teams. If you don’t come out and execute and play on top of your game, you get what we got tonight, you get blown out 3-0.” He was asked whether he was angry over the loss. “Every loss, nobody likes to lose but I really thought we were building momentum,” he said. “We played a real strong game in Carolina on the road. I thought we were getting somewhere and then we come up with this tonight.” And then Vigneault walked away. “So, thanks, I’m out of here,” he said.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 9:13 pm EST

E i just hope nyr fans don't have to follow leaf fans.....to a bridge....but the push keeps rearing its' ugly head....and it's becoming harder and harder to believe most of the players are having a 'bad' year.....this team expends way too much energy in it's own end , that they should change on the fly when they get out of their zone, otherwise the guys are tired doing a one and done most times in the offensive zone then running to get back to the bench asap.....Nash is a prime example of a guy almost constantly doing it....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 7:51 pm EST

If Stamkos re-ups watch Leafs fans head for the bridges.

E


Sun Jan 24 2016 7:11 pm EST

Lightning offer Stamkos eight-year contract: report... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=799402&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 6:18 pm EST

Have no problem with the players being called out in public..They have been treated with kid gloves and deserve it to be treated like men.Do agree that the coach needs to take equal blame.

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 6:14 pm EST

KIS - To each thieir own..They make a purge or quit, I'm done....I still like their defense big time..I think it is being undermined by bith AV's coaching this season...and some real selfish forwards that aren't being held accountable (also part coaching)

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 6:04 pm EST

Call the players out I the locker room not in the papers. He does it to often team or individual players. Time for AV to go

KIS


Sun Jan 24 2016 6:03 pm EST

veenyo blaming the players taking no ownership ...that's a bad sign.....true or not.....share the blame and credit....he ran away from his press conference......great leadership...take the heat or don't take the glory.....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:59 pm EST

this year's team is a buzz kill....hard to feel optimistic so far.....guess a trade might shake some cobwebs, but the gm needs to know if it's the coach....hopefully he's not as clueless as the genius, and has big gonads.... but that's highly doubtful....the puppet-master wouldn't have given him the job..... veenyoyo and gabby hayes are on the same path so far.....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:56 pm EST

Hospo where is the talent. They never have the best player between the two teams. Today if you are picking first player between the two teams kahrlson goes first. There isn't a team in the league other than Carolina that the rangers have the best player. The king. Get rid of him. You don't need a 9 million dollar goalie to lose. They are not as talented as ranger fans like to think. Also. No more older players. I don't give a shit who it is. This team is not winning. Make the purge

KIS


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:51 pm EST

STEVIE - I'm not sure it will either, but it's a move that is needed for now and the future....Yes, poor coaching by AV and, as I have said many times, very little leadership on the ice, especially up front

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:47 pm EST

Hospo i'm not sure a trade will fix it, when the coach continues his preseason games.....they better come back after this break a lot better......or the coach might have to be gone or wave the white flag.....captain parmenter should not go to the all star game after today's performance, and his bs interview after the game.....but he will ....priorities are backwards.....if big mac is not in tomorrow, he should just resign himself to next year...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:43 pm EST

But according to Dickaletti, the Rangers were pretty good and you gotta give Ottawa credit....My ass I do...But I'll give them this, they wanted this game more than the poorly coached,apatheteic Rangers..God I hate seeing Kevin Hayes' dopey mug on the ice for the Rangers

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:40 pm EST

And the Rangers can't wait for the trade deadline to make a deal...They need to make one NOW...They need a consistent offensive player, young or older..A constent top 6 forward could make a huge difference om this team...It will push players like Fast, Lindberg, Stalberg down the roster or even to the bench..I know others just want to quit, go home to Mommyand give up, not me.//Too much talent not to try...And The King has about two more years, so you do it....

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:36 pm EST

they give empty netters while other team is shorthanded, they can't score empty netters 6 on 4...amazing

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:36 pm EST

Post game show. And they are talking about a puppy.

rangerlou


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:35 pm EST

STEVIE - I agree that coaching is a huge problem..AV is having a horrenodus year..He has zero clue who to play with each other and it's frigging February for Christ sake..

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:32 pm EST

What a pitiful, pathetic offensive performance agasint a weak ass team playing without 2 of their bettr D-man...This game should have been a gift for the Rangers..But they barely made ANDERSON work...Yeah, 30 shots but hardly any follow ups, tebounds, close im attemotss...Just the typical FRanger pretty perimiter pansy play.......JFC was right about KRIDER...MZA was selfish all night...FAST is a complete zero...I feel like HAYES and LINDBERGER Will NEBER score agaimn...They add so little...DEPTH MY ASS NY POST!

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:30 pm EST

Gorton hears a who???

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:30 pm EST

Is it me or they just don't care anymore

rangerlou


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:29 pm EST

LOL....stupid Rangers. Cup contender? Ahh...I don't think so and no trade is gonna change that. No more youth had better be moved between now and the deadline.

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:29 pm EST

Coached poorly but many of these players are over rated. Why must McD be on the ice so much. Bad year for Hayes. Kreider over rated. Trade his ass. Ranger fans have looked at the potential with this kid but he has no brain choose step of brassard. Keith do enough get rid of the King. He gets out played by every goalie in each game. Blow it up and restock. This is horse shit and it's boring. This team just sucks right now. I can't believe MSL and Hags make that much of a difference.

KIS


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:29 pm EST

This team needs a overhaul!

rangerlou


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:28 pm EST

a shutout ....pathetic.....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:28 pm EST

Oh Captain My Captain. Indeed!

chet94


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:28 pm EST

winning streak is over @2...wow...consistently inconsistent......veengotago....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:27 pm EST

what an embarrassing performance. Good job boys

rangerlou


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:26 pm EST

i'm your captain i'm your captain.....give him the the Broadway diaper.....trade him .....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:25 pm EST

Nice flub Mcd! Put the capper on awonderful performance!

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:25 pm EST

Wow wtf was that. Blow it up.

barto


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:22 pm EST

I hate s/o;s and you know he's going to pull Hank to see if we score 2 in 2minutes

WIOSA


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:20 pm EST

i just get the feeling this team is poorly coached more than anything else.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:20 pm EST

Disgusted with the effort. Too many passengers on the NYR bus. We need a trade.

puckyou


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:11 pm EST

Kreider has been an absolute flow-killer in this game. Time after time when the Rangers had solid posession/cycling going on in the offensive zone, the momentum was KILLED by Kreider fumbling the puck, or giving the puck away or making an ill-conceived wrap around the boards. Everyone else seems to have clear idea of what to do and Kreider just seems lost and unsure of himself.

JFC31


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:09 pm EST

Let's Go Carolina Panthers!!

TradeStar28


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:06 pm EST

Henrik plays well and they win one playoff round. They won't wil 2 in a row again until March. This team is simply not that good. Middle of the pack team. The Devils are just as good at half the cap hit. The Islanders are better.

Bob


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:02 pm EST

Score a damn goal for gods sake...I mean the Rangers of course..

WIOSA


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:01 pm EST

The fuckin Swedish Chef from the Muppet Show could have played that one better

TradeStar28


Sun Jan 24 2016 5:01 pm EST

You know you're in trouble when a coach resorts to moving around his pet Jasper Fast to generate offense....Not a good decision McD!

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:59 pm EST

capt parmenter pinch miss...way to go....trade him....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:59 pm EST

I am no Benoit Ballz Allure .....but shouldnt Hank been playing the shooter only on that 2nd fuggin goal? why would he worry about the potential odd man guy and sneak over? Dummy

TradeStar28


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:56 pm EST

this team is still nowhere close to where they should be, but i'm not sure if they could be...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:38 pm EST

yep, with Nash, Rangers really showing that offensive depth out there..At least Fast was taken of the second line...Not thay stone hands stalberg is much of an improvemen...Not a good day fpor Kevin Kleim.Got his pocket picked eartlier..and then toally outworked by RYAN

Hospo


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:33 pm EST

There we go again, with less than a minute left in the period. We are tops in the league on that stat.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:32 pm EST

That's about the 4th dumb pass by Brassard finally cost us

puckyou


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:19 pm EST

AV takes Boyle off first unit- puts miller on the point. Yandle still 2nd string

puckyou


Sun Jan 24 2016 4:11 pm EST

Hayes is not my favorite Ranger today

WIOSA


Sun Jan 24 2016 3:16 pm EST

Boyle is awful

puckyou


Sun Jan 24 2016 2:59 pm EST

http://www.capfriendly.com/?p=cba-faq

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 2:57 pm EST

http://www.capfriendly.com/?p=team-cap&team=New%20York%20Rangers

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 2:53 pm EST

agree with all those who are outraged by av's treatment of mcilrath this team is unwatchable and i too refuse to watch . FU AV

docjay


Sun Jan 24 2016 2:30 pm EST

stepunmytoe - I'm with you. Can't watch them. I'm sure the Rangers management could care less but at my age I don't have 3 hours to waste on their kind of hockey

GaryRanger


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:52 pm EST

RF: The coaches & GM's pay attention to the LHS vs RHS..... In today's game, every advantage matters & optimally you start 3 of each. As I recall York pointed out not too long ago, you got a Dman on the offside, many times he has to turn his body to make the pass up the ice... Takes time, it can cost... Washington Capitals currently have a 4 & 2 combo and they're leading the league, so it's not the end all.........

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:49 pm EST

I've said it many times - AV is NOT a McI fan.

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:40 pm EST

No Mac = No watch ! FU AV !!!!

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:35 pm EST

Again,,,Boyle in and not Mac???? Our coach sucks

rngrsans


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:24 pm EST

So no Nash today. Oh wel, it shouldn't impact the Rangers goal scoring.

Bob


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:10 pm EST

RF; Pirri to me is a 2/3 Line player with PP upside. Hey Fast is in our top 6 :)

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 24 2016 12:28 pm EST

Mf. I don't know. I don't rwally pay attention to right vs left.

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 12:25 pm EST

RF: would they be seeking a LHS or RHS D'man IYO?

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 12:10 pm EST

Step. Isn't Pirri a top 6 forward? Gotta figure if he's available FLA is seeking a dman in return....

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 12:09 pm EST

Mf. Yep. More generous Sather deals...

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:58 am EST

MARC STAAL'S deal: ...... The New York Rangers and defenseman Marc Staal have agreed to a contract extension, the team announced Sunday. The deal is for six years and is worth $5.7 million per year, a source told ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun. The deal has a full no-trade clause in the first three years and begins right away, according to the source. There is also a full no-move clause, which pertains only to waivers. Staal would have been an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:49 am EST

Pirri. 22g in 49 games last year.

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:47 am EST

JFC31: IMO, the man is doing us a favor getting the word out......

mf


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:46 am EST

Haven't heard the going price. Only that the Bruins had interest and Florida would prefer he traded to western team. Would like to see us look into him. Would you part with say Fast for him ?

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:42 am EST

Step. What are the Pamthers seeking?

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:30 am EST

Panthers listening to offers for Brandon Pirri. Kid can snipe. Soft on puck and defensively. Does fill a need and cheaply ( under 1m cap hit ). Would instantly improve our PP IMO. Maybe worth kicking tires on.

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:14 am EST

All the cap sites I visited said what LB confirmed...alas most of Sather's recent signings have nmc or ntcs...

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 11:06 am EST

From Wall lurker Larry Beooks: "Because there has been so much misinformation floating through the Internet recently regarding Dan Girardi’s no-move/no-trade clauses, we checked in once again for confirmation with Don Meehan, No. 5’s agent at Newport Sports, on the matter. “He is year 2 of a 6-year deal,” Meehan said in an email correspondence with Slap Shots on Friday. “He has a full no-move in the first 3 years and then in the last 3 years he can be traded to 15 teams.” That settles that." Exactly what was being discussed here between Ola and RF4L. Thanks for clearing that up for us, Brooksie!

JFC31


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:56 am EST

excuse me read it wrong..."Sound Tigers out, Wolf Pack in? Could the Hartford Wolf Pack eventually relocate to Bridgeport? The team will stay in Hartford through the 2016-17 season and have another one-year option remaining on their lease. The Islanders’ affiliate, the Sound Tigers, are currently in Bridgeport, where their lease runs until 2021, but is weighing a move to a renovated Nassau Coliseum, when it’s ready. If the Rangers agree to assume the Bridgeport lease, that apparently would contractually satisfy the city, which would still have a AHL team. The Garden would be 90 minutes closer for call-ups, and a Bridgeport home would tap into the Fairfield County market, which has a long-time contingent of Rangers fans."

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:49 am EST

interesting wolfpack might move to Bridgeport or Nassau mausoleum.........http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/steve-zipay/rangers-have-a-fight-on-their-hands-for-playoff-spot-1.11332950

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:13 am EST

That Rangers/Blues rumour comes from Eklund so it's likely pure crap but does sound like something Sather would do because it involves going to St Louis a 'high ranked prospect' and IMO there's only one in the Rangers system - Buch. Sather seems to enjoy giving away picks and prospects. Does Gorton?

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:11 am EST

At least no Boyle next year. Whew, what a dumb Sather signing he was.

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 10:10 am EST

MFred: Problem is if he's downward play continues after next year, he won't be tradeable....

RF4L


Sun Jan 24 2016 9:40 am EST

Puck.......I hope you're right about McI

MelvilleFred


Sun Jan 24 2016 9:39 am EST

What is up with Stepniac??!!! Scored 2 last night against the Jets.....that's 13 on the year. Geeeeezzz, go figure.

MelvilleFred


Sun Jan 24 2016 9:38 am EST

On defense, Dylan McIlrath should get an opportunity in one of the two. Dan Boyle, 39, has played 23 straight, and is pointless in the last nine, including the power play

puckyou


Sun Jan 24 2016 9:36 am EST

Ola.....the interesting bit on Girardi NMC is that after year 3 he can be traded to 15 teams.....so we may not get stuck with the last 3 years of his 6 year deal. I feel a bit bad typing this because the guy has given his all and been a durable warrior but at the end of the day it's a business.

MelvilleFred


Sun Jan 24 2016 8:01 am EST

peak value..."..Since the All-Star nod, which he gracefully accepted, McDonagh’s game has soared, capped off by a spectacular goal on Friday against the Hurricanes. He intercepted a pass by Carolina defenseman John-Michael Liles in the neutral zone, sped to the left circle and unleashed a rising shot that zipped short-side past goalie Eddie Lack for a 1-0 lead in the first period. McDonagh had four shots and three attempts blocked in 21:40. In the last seven games, McDonagh, who leads the team in ice-time at 23:01, which puts him 14th in the Eastern Conference, has seven points. And on the other side of the puck, McDonagh’s play has tightened up while playing with Kevin Klein and to some extent, with Dan Girardi, on the right side. Let’s face it, for the Rangers to make any kind of run in the playoffs — assuming that they will get there — McDonagh has to be the foundation on defense. The body is only as strong as its core. He needs to play like an All-Star and get some help from his teammates. “I liked the fact that we didn’t give away a lot of pucks tonight in the offensive zone,” he said after Wednesday’s 3-2 win over the Canucks. “We made high percentage , looked before we saw and found guys, found space. It was a good example of continuing to trust our structure and trust our details.” .

stevielegs


Sun Jan 24 2016 3:20 am EST

RF4L- Brooks confirms that Girardi DOES have a NMC for another year in his Slap Shots column today, so there goes that. The 4th period can't be trusted obviously.

Ola


Sun Jan 24 2016 1:22 am EST

MF - I saw that was a NY POST article...and just from the link knew it couldn't be a Larry Brooks article after the ZED IS DEAD article the other day..What is it with the Post's Jekyl and HYde BS? ...I thought Brook's article was a load of grandstanding crap. This one is a bunch of mullarket also.....You don't validfate depth vs the canucks and Hurricanes!!! What they are showing is the emergence of one player--JT MILLER---and that they have a better chance of winn8ing when they paly responsible team hockey in all zones...

Hospo


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:18 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/23/rangers-slowly-turning-year-around-by-validating-their-depth/

mf


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:02 pm EST

WIOSA - Thanks for the J. Geils call out...Any number of tunes come to mind including Love Stinks......Have seen those guys 23 times, including twice over the last two years..They're vets but they still kick ass...RF4L - As Bob mentioned, bith Chi (SHAW? and Teb) and LA (Pearson and others) ahve a few that could be targets...Still, I don't give YANDLE away...And I don't deal him for Pospects/picks unless I'm ready to flip them elsewhere for help now

Hospo


Sat Jan 23 2016 8:58 pm EST

RF4L----both LA and Chicago have players worthy of pursuing. Panarin probably makes Teravainen get-able. In LA, Pearson, at least should Ev get-able. Gabby too.

Bob


Sat Jan 23 2016 8:55 pm EST

Guess they should have kept stempy

stevielegs


Sat Jan 23 2016 8:21 pm EST

Nash has had a horrible year and doesn't do anything in the playoffs...My question is would we miss his size and 1:1 strength which opens the ice for others? If not include him in a trade

rngrsans


Sat Jan 23 2016 8:20 pm EST

Lee Stempniak scored his 13th goal tonight. How many does Nash have?

RDW


Sat Jan 23 2016 7:55 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord The Rangers officially announce they have arrived in Ottawa. Face Sens Sunday afternoon at 3....Sunday's game at Ottawa will mark Derek Stepan's 400th career NHL game.

stevielegs


Sat Jan 23 2016 7:47 pm EST

RF: Offer Staal, take back Scuderi

mf


Sat Jan 23 2016 7:32 pm EST

RF - from a reliable source? What's coming back?

DREW


Sat Jan 23 2016 7:23 pm EST

Hearing LA and Chicago are pursuing Yandle...

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 6:37 pm EST

Wiosa I get it and funny thing is a number of years ago I did work in j geils house.

York18


Sat Jan 23 2016 6:30 pm EST

WIOSA - guilty as well. Centerfold and Freeze Frame are in my iTunes collection.

DREW


Sat Jan 23 2016 6:26 pm EST

WIOSA: I loved them and I get it. ;-)

Vic


Sat Jan 23 2016 6:21 pm EST

Wonder if Dallas is looking for a Dman like Yandle? If they are (and we are dealing him) I'd take a Nichuskin & Oleksiak for him.

PatrickDiv


Sat Jan 23 2016 6:07 pm EST

Lord, J Geils Band echoing in my head looking at the image of Hagelin Hugging Syd.. (Hospo will probably be the only person who gets my reference there)

WIOSA


Sat Jan 23 2016 5:58 pm EST

I cannot imagine a deal that the New York Rangers would make that wouldn't add scoring. I think the Yandle's of the NHL will be fetching very nice deals. Hopefully, the New York Rangers come out of the deadline with some scoring, a defenseman, and dare I say a pick to help offset the loss of the Yandle acquisition. Who knows?

E


Sat Jan 23 2016 5:08 pm EST

HOSPO: I agree but the Rangers don't have that guy and I won't hold my breath waiting for a deadline deal for him.

Vic


Sat Jan 23 2016 4:35 pm EST

VIC - HYAES indeed has played a good 3-4 games in a row but still little offense..Still, he has alot more conivincing to do for me...At least we agree on the need for him to be playing with a talented winger......Where we disagree is STALBERG being any part of that...Guy has been playing well, physical and does go to the net...but not very creative, not good hands or a good shot...Hayes would be great with somebidy like that who can bury the puck..JMWO

Hospo


Sat Jan 23 2016 4:07 pm EST

Shattenkirk (RHS) is signed for one more season after this at a $4.25 mill cap hit and then becomes an UFA.....

mf


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:57 pm EST

OAN, yesterday at 12:05 I posted Edmonton's D'men and closed with, wonder if they are looking for an LHS or RHS defenseman.... Well it was rumored that they had an interest in SETH JONES who went to the CBJ's for Johnasen.... WELL, Seth Jones is an RHS D'man which brings me to my point; The NY Rangers with DYLAN MCILRATH in the lineup over Girardi or Dan Boyle....... By now all here are pretty aware of the limitations this organization has with the contracts of Staal & Girardi, and the upcoming "what to do with Yandle." The conversation tends to blow the direction of what situational opportunity presents itself.. SO, if Edmonton is in fact looking foa RHS D'man, Girardi becomes the "subject" trade piece... Wonder how much trade value Edmonton places on RNH since he's out for 6-8 weeks with an injured hand.......... RNH seems to be redundant with McDavid there, similar to our Brassard / Stepan situation.......

mf


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:48 pm EST

Malkin had a Hatrick yesterday to follow Kessels 2 goal performance a game or two prior..... Seems that the Hagelin for Perron deal is paying dividends for Shitzburg, and BTW, Hags has 3 helpers in his 4 games with the Penguinista's...... There's a trade rumor article in "The Hockey News" which includes Kessels name, but I don't believe he is focusing in on the addition of Hagelin to that squad and his affect on their big 3 guns, Kessel included...............

mf


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:46 pm EST

If they trade anyone for Shattenkirk it should be Girardi.

Bob


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:32 pm EST

Just saw on Twitter douchebag Ecklund floating a Shattenkirk for Yandle and a prospect rumor. Don't see how this helps either team- as if anything, we have one Right D sitting as is, and losing Yandle creates a hole on left side.

puckyou


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:10 pm EST

Puck; Totally agree. I will not watch this team while Mac sits for Boyle or Girardi for that matter. This organization hasn't had a player like Mac on the back line since Beauk. Sick of them ignoring the obvious.

stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:04 pm EST

Puck....one of my biggest gripes....Boy playing while McI sits....that's criminal.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 23 2016 3:03 pm EST

Meant to add- give Yandle 1st unit point duty- regardless of whether he goes at the deadline- we need to know if he's worth the investment if we want to resign him- or not. Getting 40 seconds on the 2nd unit not enough.

puckyou


Sat Jan 23 2016 2:35 pm EST

Lost in the sauce from last nights win was that Boyle was sh*t yet again. At this point of his career- he is a terrible defenseman. His instinct is to always go on offense- yet he produces zero offense. His getting all those pp minutes on the first unit is laughable- reminiscent of MDZ when he was getting anointed to the 1st unit and stayed far too long generating squat. Yet Big Mac sits- game after game- after basically playing a sound game when he rest of the D was lost. The only goal on pp in 11 games was JT's off the rush . AV is backing the wrong horse- a guy who will be forced to retire a la MSL after this season. Send him down or black ace his ass- or talk him into a trade. This is insanity.

puckyou


Sat Jan 23 2016 2:29 pm EST

HOSPO: HAYES has been coming on the last few weeks. He is skating hard again and is regaining his confidence. Hopefully he has a big 2nd half. But they do need to find him the right complimentary wingers. And one of them could be STALBERG. He has really played well lately. Smokin' JOE mentioned that he has been playing hurt for the last month or so last night. If he is getting healthy and can play consistently the way he has lately that could help a lot.

Vic


Sat Jan 23 2016 2:16 pm EST

Hospo....damn auto fill

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 23 2016 2:16 pm EST

Hops, Stevie....count me in on the dump Rosen Dickiletti bus. Why we don't get Albert and Maloney is beyond comprehension.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 23 2016 2:07 pm EST

I can tell ya that Ricky Nash was beaten up a little last night........In the 2nd period he fell hard and left the ice with what i thought was a leg injury.....Then in the 3rd period, I think he got hit in the leg with the puck off a hard shot.....

TradeStar28


Sat Jan 23 2016 1:44 pm EST

RF4L - Just because I rag on HAYES doesn't mean UI've given up on him! He plays or trys like shit, he deserves to be taken to task...But, I still recognize the crazy amount of offensive talent the kid has..I'd trade hi but only forsoembody equally as talented or in a package for somebody REALLY talented..

Hospo


Sat Jan 23 2016 1:26 pm EST

gene....agree 100% on E. Staal. Do not want him here.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 23 2016 1:20 pm EST

I saw a lot of Eric Staal during the 13' WCH (he ended up breaking a leg). He was just not able to keep up with avg Europeans mostly, got like 3 assists in 8 games. He reminds me a bit of Roloston when NJ signed him, Roloston scored a lot of goals for Minny and was very sought after. But so much came from him having a core role in every part of Minnys offense. It's the same with Staal, you wonder how can he score even 50-60 pts? Everything goes through him. I wouldn't be surprised if he really struggled with a new team. With that said, I am not saying that he would be useles. Good on FOs, clutch and what not. Good shot still. Could certainly help a PO run. If like CHI or LA gets him, who knows maybe he even thrives. But I would be very very very hesitant to get him.

Ola


Sat Jan 23 2016 12:24 pm EST

RF hospo is right many of us like Miller but said he wasn't ready. When his head caught up with talent he would be a player a that's what happened. While in the ahl he was able to get away with risky gaffs because he was better than most there at this level those same plays were killers. I do agree with you about Hayes. With Miller you saw he was trying you saw his struggles. Hayes just doesn't have the same effort or care IMO.

York18


Sat Jan 23 2016 12:05 pm EST

Eric Stall is exactly the kind of trade that has haunted us since the days of Emil Francis. He is done and you do not have to be a pro scout to see his giddy yay has gone.

gene_carr


Sat Jan 23 2016 11:14 am EST

schneidw: Yeah, Nash, no matter how you look at it, has been a disappointment overall. And Kerby Rychel, the kid the BJs selected with the first rounder the Rangers included in the deal to get Nash, is playing and scored his first NHL goal a few games ago. AA is playing on a very good team and probably loving it.

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 11:12 am EST

Hospo: Agreed - I guess my point is that we need to be careful giving up too early on players. Many had Miller traded away 2 years ago because they were questioning his upside because he wasn't showing it with any consistency at all. Hayes is only a year and a half into his pro career - there's still plenty of time to grow and learn. Chris Kreider, on the other hand, is nearing the point where what you see is what you get (if he's not there already). Of all the young forwards, I'd be most willing to include him in a trade, dependent of course, what's coming back (i.e. I would not be happy with a Stepan and Kreider to E Staal trade, even if Staal agreed to reup as part of the deal). I think Gorton needs to be very cognizant of the lack of assets in the feeder system when looking at any trade - we should not be getting older as a result.

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 11:05 am EST

RF4L - No kudos to TDCHI for me..Quite a few people on here liked Miller alot, but knew he wasn't ready..TDCHI was pushing him way too soon...EIther way, looks like a forward we really need....As for HAYES, I hear ya! I've been hard on him...I know he has a hell of alot of offensive potential and can be scary good at times offesnively....I am just not a huge fan of his looping, floating game..But the main thing this season, has been his lazy and selfish play...Yey, he is indeed still a kid and there is stilll hope this season has just been growing pains...The last few games, he has indeed played really verywell BOTH WAYS.......still, as is, I don't think the Rangers have a good player to play with him if the 2nd lines stay as they are (with Kreider)..As always, we need another forward..

Hospo


Sat Jan 23 2016 10:58 am EST

WTF!! Animisov has 17 goals and Dubinksy has 10 compared to Nash with 12.

schneidw


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:43 am EST

NOT to trade...

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:43 am EST

Dunno what it means, but Carp is insistent that Eric Staal will be a Ranger. I am guessing (hoping) if he's accurate it'll be via the UFA this summer and not for $8,000,000/per. That would make one of Brassard/Stepan expendable. I'm not advocating it - just musing here. The Canes played the Leafs earlier this week and he sleepwalked thru that one, too. It was his bro Jordan who was impressive. Francis would be foolish to trade Eric by the deadline.

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:40 am EST

And I sure like seeing MIller mature. Kudos to TD for lauding him, although what young Ranger doesn't he laud! That's for you my missing friend.... ;^)

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:37 am EST

Tradestar - I love it!!! I remember the Kara run wall, we had the ability to post pictures. I would love to put some faces to names. It would remove some of the anonymity and I bet keep the wall from those times where it gets a bit tense. That was awesome Tradestar~

DREW


Sat Jan 23 2016 9:15 am EST

Hospo: Your thoughts on Miller are valid. I'm curious why you don't give Hayes any similar leeway?

RF4L


Sat Jan 23 2016 7:30 am EST

house of groop on fire.....fishboy knows his species.....John Rosasco @JRNYR Ryan Gropp tallies an assist in 3-0 win over Portland and has a point in 6 of the last 7 games (3-7-10) #NYR #WHL

stevielegs


Sat Jan 23 2016 5:58 am EST

14) I spoke to Ryan McDonagh Thursday about his revival. He’s just McMonster again, all three zones. Had the great steal of a bad pass by John-Michael Liles at center ice, then and a great move – the best part of his game always was, and is again, his skating — and the shot. That came after a really strong shift by Marc Staal, who always plays his best against his bros. 15) So I guess McDonagh’s a good captain again. As long as they win. 16) With all these guys’ games coming around, maybe Kevin Hayes is next. He’s skating hard, at least most of the time, now. Made a dogged steal from Noah Hanifin, then showed off the mitts and patience, made the pass to Oscar Lindberg, who centered for Yandle for the second goal. 17) Yandle, despite his occasional gaffe in the defensive zone, the last two games has made so many terrific, subtle passes to his forwards. Some not so subtle. Every time he has a game like that, and/or every time the Rangers win, Jeff Gorton’s decision gets more and more complicated. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/23/rangers-hurricanes-in-review-14/#sthash.EPJcKvRf.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat Jan 23 2016 5:55 am EST

Bob- Agreed on Eric Staal, it's getting worse and have been bad for a really long time. Like how often do you notice him having any kind of positive impact on a game? Supposedly he is looking at 8m per, does he even still cut it to play for a contender? Maybe he would be of value for a young team like Toronto.

Ola


Sat Jan 23 2016 5:50 am EST

Tradestar- Haha that is awsome! :)

Ola


Sat Jan 23 2016 4:02 am EST

Ola.....do you wanna see what it looks like as a Rangers fan (and fellow Wallster) to celebrate a NY Rangers goal by JT Miller? Here i am last night in the crowd ....right behind Jesper Fast , with my arms up in the air........... http://bit.ly/1VfzkGj

TradeStar28


Sat Jan 23 2016 12:08 am EST

Just got back from the game........I am writing this because it is customary ......and also to notify everyone here that I am home safe and sound after driving on the treacherous icy roads of Raleigh.

TradeStar28


Fri Jan 22 2016 11:15 pm EST

Madison Square Garden has fired about a half dozen sales executives — plus a senior executive in ticket sales and corporate hospitality — after they were caught in a ticket reselling scandal, The Post has learned. MSG execs fired after being caught in ticket scalping scandal........ The executives resold coveted tickets to Knicks and Rangers games for a profit, an investigation by The Garden has found, sources said.. “They got caught and were terminated,” one source said...... http://nypost.com/2016/01/22/msg-execs-fired-after-being-caught-in-ticket-scalping-scandal/

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 11:11 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/22/msg-execs-fired-after-being-caught-in-ticket-scalping-scandal/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 11:11 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/22/msg-execs-fired-after-being-caught-in-ticket-scalping-scandal/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:53 pm EST

AV: "I really liked Hayes' game tonight. I thought he was real strong on the puck. He made some real good plays, protected well w/his body."More AV on Kevin Hayes: "The last few games he's been playing the way we think he can play and hopefully he'll keep doing that for us."

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:56 pm EST

Hospo Rosen is bad but with dickaletti they are 2 jerks . It's Dickie who's the real problem. He doesn't shut up and thinks he knows everything and tidbits all game long ... He's basically obnoxious . He has no likeable quality. I wish nbc would take him away. He fits with milbury ... 2 hemorrhoids.... And what they are a part of...

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:50 pm EST

Well, a win against a crap team still counts for 2 points.

Bob


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:34 pm EST

Rangers played a solid game all around..Took a page out of the last few years..clearly better than the limited Canes..Went up, then just kept it boring...Good play by most but again, competition wasn't much......STILL...Half-way to the Four-game Winning Streak I want (and the Rangers should and need to get) going into the ALL-Star break..And God do I hate Rosen and Dickaletti!

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:29 pm EST

Only 2 months to win 2 in a row ....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:24 pm EST

The HurryCanes appear to suck. And Eric Staal is doing his best to diminish interest in him from playoff bound clubs. Dude is sleepwalking. Gorton will probably trade a #1, Buchnevich and JT Miller for him.

Bob


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:24 pm EST

WIOSA - I hear where you are coming from on Kid K, but I'm nit goona give up on him yet either..Too much spoeed and strength..Not a dummy either but just seems to make the wrong choices....Still think he can be a huge key come march-June

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 9:10 pm EST

Was pronouncing 12 as pail,,tail, mail,..HOSPO I don't hold out hope for Chris, I just don't.

WIOSA


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:43 pm EST

The question with JT MILLER was never IF but when...Too many people around here were rushing him the last few years..He just wasn't ready...He WAS making those boneheaded mistakes and, truth be told, he still is..He was hesitant......but now he has put allt of it together to play CONSISTENT all around hockey to be about the best forward om the team...ANd damn straight do we need KID KREIDER to play just as consistenlty

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:35 pm EST

NN you weren't the only one...I thought It would be Hayes that finally came through. Looks like its JT...he's using his body and his brain - in that order lol

WIOSA


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:30 pm EST

JT is growing up before our eyes and finally beoming a hockey player. I was ragging on him a few months ago as I said how him and Kreider their numbers matched their brains..one had a 10 cent brain and the other a 20 cent brain,

DOUBLEN


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:25 pm EST

JT putting it altogether CONSISTENTLY...A big piece for the Rangers....For the second game in a row, the RANGERS are clearly the better team and the forwards are playing with the confidnece knowing it....

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:19 pm EST

JT!!!!!! yeah babeeeeee

WIOSA


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:15 pm EST

Im hating our second periods again. Of course better than a weak third.

WIOSA


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:51 pm EST

Moof Heinz you want to trade everyone else but I'm your captain ...

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:43 pm EST

Rangers did what they should have done..jumped on a tired Carolina team in the first....Great play by MCD who is steping to the front...Great shift by the 3rd line leading to a YANDLE goal...Old days this game would be over..Rnagers would protect and score a few more...Let's see what happens

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:43 pm EST

Agarn, stop trading the Capt.

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:42 pm EST

WOOOOOO OOOOO The Ghost of Gabby Hayes set that goal up WOOOO OOOOOO

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:41 pm EST

Trade yandle

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:36 pm EST

That's better. Nice shot McDonagh!!!!

hipcheck


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:36 pm EST

Trade Capt parmenter now his value is not getting higher...

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:36 pm EST

Yay Captain....we need that . This IS a bqack up goalie and we have more fans in the stands than Carolina does. LGR

WIOSA


Fri Jan 22 2016 7:28 pm EST

So boring.

hipcheck


Fri Jan 22 2016 6:54 pm EST

KREIDER Out after collision with VRBATA the other nigth...needs to get healthy quick... PAILLE on the 4th line,,

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 6:19 pm EST

Fast is a solid/dependable offensively weak 3rd/4th liner, nothing more...Skilled enough to take some injury realted in-game shifts above, but that's about it...A good guy to have but easil;y relaceable

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 6:11 pm EST

Fast have never produced as a top 6 forward, but I think the play has been there for shorter stretches. Like in the POs last year he created a lot on a game by game basis.

Ola


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:46 pm EST

On a good team, a contender, Jesper Fast is in the spot they just acquired Daniel Paille to fill. Just sayin'

Bob


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:33 pm EST

BOB: Gee, where have i heard that question before? :)But at least now, he's more of a 3rd liner on the team with the emrgence of MILLER..the farther down the better!

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:27 pm EST

Bob: yes!

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:15 pm EST

Q: Can an NHL team with Jesper Fast in the top 6 win the Stanley Cup?

Bob


Fri Jan 22 2016 4:10 pm EST

Damn hard check by Borque, Torts with two broken/fractured ribs! should limit his yelling a little

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 3:44 pm EST

one payback....http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/john-tortorella-injured-in--nasty--collision-during-outdoor-practice-171002326.html

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 3:41 pm EST

maybe fishboy will ask staal if he would like to stay with his brothers after tonight's game......

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 3:36 pm EST

moof guess you missed the gabby hayes trigger joke.....you must be too young or senile....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 3:18 pm EST

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/01/22/detroit-waives-andersson/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 3:12 pm EST

Playing for "The Cup" has a whole new meaning: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/matt-hendricks-blocks-a-shot-with-his-groin-thanks-protective-cup-manufacturer-post-game/

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 3:10 pm EST

Brassard soft? I guess it's all relative.... Of the 3 centers being Brassard / Stepan / Hayes, I'd trade one of Brassard or Stepan.... Factor in the ""remaining terms"" of each guys contract, & what each guy ""may"" yield in return, and I'm looking at trading Stepan......

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 2:56 pm EST

and "stone hands" Hagelin can bang in the garbage goals / rebounds that the opposition goalie doesn't handle..... imo

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 2:50 pm EST

NEWFIE - "but I think he is a lazy ,soft player who thinks he is much better than he really is." Of course, totally agree on HAYES..has always been soft and a floater...the difference this year has been his entitlted and selfish attitude on the ice (and likely in trainig).....The kid still oozes offensive potential but I deal him in a second for equall young talent, especially if Step and Brass are the other two soft centers on the team

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 2:37 pm EST

mf............I kind of hope you are right about Hayes..........but I think he is a lazy ,soft player who thinks he is much better than he really is..........................Now, Duclair, he will come back to haunt us !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 22 2016 2:34 pm EST

OLA: That reminds me. Yesterday you asked where I was getting the reports about YANDLE not wanting to resign before the deadline. I completely forgot to reply on that. It came from ELLIOT FRIEDMAN and DAMIAN COX about 10 days or so ago. My guess is that it was leaked by the Rangers so that it would help justify trading him before the deadline. That is speculation. I have no info confirming that it was leaked by the Rangers or for what reason.

Vic


Fri Jan 22 2016 2:30 pm EST

RF4L- I can't know for sure, but the guy isn't some random internet dude, and he says that he has confirmed it with the agent so I do think it can be assumed to be correct.

Ola


Fri Jan 22 2016 2:16 pm EST

RF4L: I agree, and they are playing with MALKIN. HAGS helps open up a lot of space for both MALKIN and KESSEL. Plus, putting HAGS out with two guys who tend to play a little lazy is a smart move. As we have said many times it is hard to play a lazy game when you have a guy on your line busting his ass the way HAGS does every shift. It was bound to force those guys to kick their game up a notch. Much like HAYES is struggling without HAGS. HAGS forced HAYES to push the pace and move his feet. HAYES looks like he is starting to get it now but it took half the season. As for the Pens fans I checked their forums when the deal went down and it was much the same as people were saying here to defend trading away HAGS.....(too expensive, 3rd liner, doesn't score enough, etc.). After just a few games they are already changing their tune. They are starting to talk about how the addition of HAGS may be a game changer for the them because of how much it helps their team speed. Here is a link to their game thread from last night's game....(http://www.letsgopens.com/scripts/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66265).

Vic


Fri Jan 22 2016 1:48 pm EST

Vic: The coach has put Hags with Kessel and guess what? Kessel with 2 goals. I don't who the center is but those 2 together make sense to me. Kessel can create space but he's most effective when that space is already there and Hags with his speed and forechecking is very good at creating that space. I've said many times on here - Kessel is high skilled and a fabulous skater that he uses to his advantage big time when he's on. It's really apparent when he's got open ice and holes to exploit.

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 1:44 pm EST

sMegma back in the minors. Geesh, who saw that coming? LOLOL...gawd Gorton's grasping at straws, isn't he?

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 1:32 pm EST

I see the Jason Megna experiment came to a sudden end. He was sent back to Hartford.Looks like Daniel Paille will be in the lineup tonight.

rangerlou


Fri Jan 22 2016 1:25 pm EST

Looks like HAGS may have found a better fit with the Pens. He had an assist and 5 shots on goal in over 16 minutes TOI last night. He has two points in three games with the Pens and is a plus 2. I didn't see it but apparently KESSEL scored on a 2 on 1 with HAGS. That is a lot of speed to have to deal with for a defender.

Vic


Fri Jan 22 2016 12:54 pm EST

Ranger47: Me thinks that Kevin Hayes is a late bloomer who is still filling out into his body, and his hockey play..... Me also thinks that we should hold onto this kid at least until next season's trade deadline, he sure looks like he's going to be an NHL center for a long time... The "Ghost of Gabby Hayes" may likely haunt us for many years if we trade him...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7938

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 12:45 pm EST

mf: "..Gabby Hayes". But if they can trade him will Gorton v be able to pull the Trigger? :)

Ranger47


Fri Jan 22 2016 12:05 pm EST

gene_carr..... Man, where you been lurking with that trade proposal ? (holdin out?) ..... A quick review of the Oilers D'men: Left side: Sekera $5.5mill 5 more yrs- 29y/o - avg 21 mins p/g - Ference $3.25mill - 1 more yr - 36 y/o - avg 13 mins p/g - Klefbom signed long term - 22 y/o - 21mins p/g - Nurse $865K 2 more years - only 20 y/o - 21 mins p/g ....... Down the Right Side: Schultz $3.9 mill - RFA after this yr 25 y/o - 20 mins p/g (this is the kid that was drafted ny the Ducks who only wanted to play for Edmonton.. Perhaps he's matured a bit since.. His production #'s are off this season and he has the worse +/- at -11 of all their D'men)... Fayne: $3.625mill - 2 more years - 28 y/o - 16 mins p/g ...... FGryba: $1.25 mill - UFA after this season - 27 y/o - 17 mins p/g.......... Question: Would the Oilers be looking for a LHS or RHS Defenseman?

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 11:28 am EST

Hospo, me & the 57 others inside my head are starting to worry about you....

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 11:17 am EST

mf - yeah, Ijust through two of them together..People have been calling him Lazy Hayes, Purpple Hayes, or Gabby Hayes....And he's been playing like a ghost, so i just threw them together...Maybe, I'll just call him Hayes and Confised

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 11:14 am EST

The Ghost of Gabby Hayes?

mf


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:36 am EST

Hospo: You grumpy old dog you - what about the Paille signing? Isn't that significant enough for you???

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:34 am EST

The OIl need some veteran stability. Offer Giradi for Yackapov. Move Mac into full time role for second half of season. I think it is a move that will improve the play of all concerned.

gene_carr


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:24 am EST

And you know, after the great record early on and the poor play for over a month, the Ranger are exactly where I thought they would be this year, fighting for 3-5th in the NHL East and behind the Caps and Bolts (finally playing well)...The big surprise is FLORIDA PANTHERS! I still think, as is, the Rangers have zero chance of getting past the 1st or 2nd round without a major moves...Unfortunately, I have zero faith in GORTON..We;ll see

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:22 am EST

ola: Well there's definitely confusion out there. The stuff I read says NMC for first 3 years of deal, then limited. If you're right, good - he should be moved this off-season.

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:15 am EST

Canes playing second of back-2-back tonight, Rangers need to jump on them fast...AV is right, need to finish up the 1st half with a 4 game winning streak...I'd play Paille tonight for LIndberger, qnd put him with Moore and Glass,,Hayes moves down to the other two Swededs...for now..Or you can sit the ghost of Gabby Hayes instead

Hospo


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:03 am EST

RF4L- If you want to, you can trade Marc Staal too. Just let him know that he won't dress or play before he waives. Major major repercussions in the locker-room and to our reputation around the league? Sure, but if it has to be done it has to be done. Just saying there are options.

Ola


Fri Jan 22 2016 10:00 am EST

RF4L- Like I said, its been confirmed by Girardi's agent that he does not have a NMC just like a month ago. It has been confirmed by Girardi's agent according to David Pagnotta at the fourth period. "David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod @SteveBurtch @Josh_Khalfin We confirmed it via agent, and agency's full client roster. Never had no-move protection, always been limited NTC" Capgeek reported full NMC and everyone copied them, that info reportedly was incorrect.

Ola


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:33 am EST

Zuke's NTC ends July 1....

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:29 am EST

Ola: Here you go sir: He had a NMC that lessens in restrictions....in July 2017!!! CLAUSE DETAILS: Modified NTC: Player specifies 15 teams that he cannot be traded to on July 1 2017, updates list each following July 1. If he does not specify 15 teams, can be traded to any team.

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 8:26 am EST

ola: And where are you getting your information from? I see NMC against his name/contract in every site that tracks NHL salaries.

RF4L


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:35 am EST

tdchi finally jitters has started to prove you right......http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/22/sports/hockey/at-22-rangers-forward-is-already-having-a-signature-season.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:33 am EST

" He played 71 games for the Bruins last season with six goals and seven assists. ... Reportedly, Paille has agreed to a two-way deal with the Rangers worth $575,000 in the NHL and $100,000 in the AHL."

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:18 am EST

CAPTAIN MAC Ryan McDonagh was selected to represent the Rangers at the 2016 NHL All-Star Game. McDonagh is the first Rangers captain to be selected to play in an NHL All-Star Game since Mark Messier in 2004. McDonagh is one of three NHL defensemen who have registered at least five goals, 20 points, and a plus-12 rating this season (along with Drew Doughty and Duncan Keith). He has registered 22 points (five goals, 17 assists) in the last 34 games, including 13 points (two goals, 11 assists) in the last 19 contests and six assists/points in the last six games. McDonagh is tied for sixth among NHL defensemen in primary assists this season (13). He also leads NHL defensemen in assists (six) and is tied for second among NHL defensemen in points (six) since Jan. 9. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/22/rangers-at-hurricanes-tonight-7-p-m-pre-game-notes-3/#sthash.vFgcInWz.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:16 am EST

https://twitter.com/SinceFlyersCup?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:10 am EST

look a 1st round pick...."Paille had just one goal and three assists with Rockford, but he won a Stanley Cup with the Bruins in 2011. His best statistical season was with the Sabres in 2007-08, when he scored 19 goals and had 35 points in 77 games. He was Buffalo’s first-round pick (20th overall) in 2002, and grew up in Welland, Ont., playing junior hockey until his was 15 years old with Rangers defenseman Dan Girardi. “I talked to him [Wednesday], and he’s really excited to be here,” Girardi said. “The Rangers are giving him a shot. He didn’t have a job this year and he’s excited for the chance to prove himself.”

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:07 am EST

.Sorry, Los Angeles, you can’t have him. Knicks owner James Dolan won’t let go of president Phil Jackson just yet. While the Lakers’ braintrust passed on Kristaps Porzingis with the second pick to take D’Angelo Russell, Dolan is said to be so enamored with the 7-foot-3 Latvian, Jackson can do no wrong in the owner’s eyes. Dolan has a marquee piece to market at his new Garden for the next decade who could keep the franchise’s price tag at tops in the league — currently $3 billion, according to Forbes. Considering Jackson is paid $60 million through 2019, Jackson’s contract may not turn out to be so egregious. .............http://nypost.com/2016/01/21/phil-jackson-in-review-how-60m-is-paying-off-for-knicks/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 5:02 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/22/nhl-all-star-joke-john-scott-chooses-mayhem-over-honor/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 4:59 am EST

"....while the Rangers have come out of their 3-9-2 holiday-season swoon and steadied a bit with a run of 5-4-1 over their past 10, they surely still believe they are a good team, worthy of second place in the Metropolitan Division and worthy of their Stanley Cup aspirations. “I would like to go into it, in all honesty, on a very positive note,” coach Alain Vigneault said of the six-day break, which goes from Tuesday through Sunday. “That would be a good feeling, and I think well-deserved. We’re working really hard to get our game to where it needs to be here, and it would be something real positive for us.” “Like I’ve said, our 5-on-5 play, defensively and offensively, is getting much better,” Vigneault said. “It’s improving. We’ve got that on the right track. Now we’ve got to fix the other areas.”

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 4:33 am EST

mfred who gets the biggest return in a trade? who has a tradable contract? there are few free top 6 coming except maybe in the off season as an ufa. .you have to give to get...I know you don't want to lose the $100 , that's why you call it crazy. ...lol....besides think of it in wall logic , they get a top 6 for gomez......mcd's next contract will be close to subbanland....the nyr can't afford that with the cap...I thought the concept was the gm has to think with the present and the future in mind.....I want the Gorton fisherman to do whatever it takes to get that $100 pried from your wallet.....and into mine at the parade.....remember what Neil smith had to do to make 94 happen...most thought he was crazy too.....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 22 2016 1:06 am EST

RF4L- For like the 3rd time, Girardi does NOT have a NMC.

Ola


Fri Jan 22 2016 12:03 am EST

Reviewing some team's defensive make-up: The Washington Capitals currently have 2 RHS D'men: Niskanen & Carlson..... and ..... 4 LHS D'men: Alzner, Orlov, Schmidt, Chorney... and.... they have the best record in the league....... Guess you can win with a D'man playing the opposite side..... reeeemarrrkable

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:21 pm EST

Never mind see it's already been done.

Brian2d


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:20 pm EST

Time to bring back the Pysie nickname?

Brian2d


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:59 pm EST

JFC31: "IF" that socalled injury happens to Marc Staal or Ryan McDonagh, we're covered with Yandle here..... Just another aspect of how deep we are on defense...

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:50 pm EST

JFC: LOL....this article indicates it was written 2 days ago but the author for whatever reason stopped counting Sather's blunders at the Redden signing. He's made a bunch since. All that said it further emphasizes what I've been saying so far: By far and away the man's single biggest achievement is his job for life deal courtesy of another buffoon who from what I can see has a resume that should have only one entry: Silver spooned asshole.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:34 pm EST

Yandle has a very narrow group of teams that would want him....they would,have to be right on the cusp of a Cup, maybe a team that experiences a key injury to a top offensive D man....but I think only a TOP team (one of the top 5 favorites) would be willing to give up anything that would help us significantly NOW.....and AFAIAC that makes the trade of Duclair and draft choices a freakin' joke because Imsaid it when we got him.....if he doesn't contribute to fixing the PP and getting us to the Cup, the trade is a bust. The best we will probably get is simp,yea recoup of a draft choice that we lost in the original deal....when what we need is someone who will help,significantly NOW. Unless we catch a break with a serious injury to a top team, I doubt we get that.

JFC31


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:29 pm EST

RF4L -- read it and weep: http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/top-15-times-glen-sather-dropped-the-ball/ Ahhh....memories!

JFC31


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:21 pm EST

And Chicago, LA and Tampa are 3 teams looking for someone like him.....

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:20 pm EST

schneidw: Scroll down my friend -- I predicted earlier he'll fetch, at best, a 1st and a secondary prospect.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:52 pm EST

YANDLE: any Wallsters care to offer up their thougths on what Yandle is worth on the trade market and who is looking for a top (almost) pairing defenseman??

schneidw


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:44 pm EST

Is Paille Stool II?

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:44 pm EST

Re interest in Drouin - just reciting the prominent rumours is all. Stop shooting the messenger. You can shoot Sather tho - he sucks.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:52 pm EST

Maybe we can trade Yandle to the Leafs for that guy Hunwick. I'm half kidding.

stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:46 pm EST

Stevie....man that's crazy as crazy gets......get rid of McD and keep Yandle???!!!!!

MelvilleFred


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:35 pm EST

Ranger Rants: #NYR hoping newly-signed Daniel Paille can help flagging penalty kill unit

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:32 pm EST

need a vet forward .. not named pail..... to get that drouin kid means trade a kid or more ...2 separate moves......I still think trading the captain gets you the biggest return, and gets yandle signed.....Gorton fish is still making his decision tree,,,,,he's trying to decide what kind of tree....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:18 pm EST

JFC - I've said that several times on here about DROUIN..I want nothing to do with him....Not the type of skills we need to make this team better..Adding youth for the sake of adding youth...no thanks..Now, the Russian kid on the Dallas Stars could be another story, but he may be too risky also..

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:02 pm EST

JFC hear, hear. We already have a legend in his own mind (Hayes) we don't need another one.

WIOSA


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:00 pm EST

Stepun...don't think so. I don't see where he played for the Stars. He played for the Sabres and the Bruins from what I see.

WIOSA


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:58 pm EST

Trading for Drouin makes ZERO sense for,the Rangers unless he can step,right into a top 6 role, produce at a very high level and be solid on his defensive coverages. What are the odds of a smallish forward known for his passing & dangling skills (and childish petulance) being able to bring that to the Rangers. He has already made it clear that he and his agent think he is ENTITLED to be in the NHL simply because very other top pick from his draft year is. Therefore, the Rangers would acquire him and need to put him in the NHL lineup. AV is going to tolerate bad coverage from this kid, not backchecking hard, etc. the Rangers are trying to win a Cup and they are struggling right now....would they want to add a giant, petulant question mark to their lineup,and give it 10 games to see how it goes? Methinks not....not unless they think he is ready right now to,contribute BIG TIME.

JFC31


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:33 pm EST

Bob - yep, it speaks volumes, but nothing new..The System has BUCH up front and SKEJI on the back line, that's about it..Hope there are a few good college FAs this year...STEP - Borque is just not NHL material, why waste time on him?

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:25 pm EST

Bob. That's why I say why not give Bourque the chance to prove himself ? Whatever happened to that big Klink guy we got a year or two ago ? He was a forward. Maybe part of the Yandle deal. Try anyone before you go the Pysie ll route !

stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:21 pm EST

Yes Hospo. Glad I was wrong :)

stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:19 pm EST

When there is nobody in the system better than a 31 YO re-tread who could not get a job in the NHL and has a whopping 4 goals in the AHL, it speaks volumes about the state of the Rangers system's talent level.

Bob


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:04 pm EST

Peverly, I think

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:03 pm EST

Wasn't it Paille who collapsed on the ice due to an aneurysm when playing for the Stars ?

stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:58 pm EST

RF4L - I doubt Gorton is thinking like you..where the future is his biggest concerm, especially after screwing up the off-season...My bet is neither staal or Girardi come close to being traded...and Yandle is not being traded for picks/prospects unless they are in turn swapped for another vet player..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:57 pm EST

Paille! The cup is ours. Congratulations to Gorton for the bold move! Woo Hoo!

Bob


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:54 pm EST

SCREW BORQUE, he'll just look like another Megma...At least Paille can be this year's Erik Christensen! :)

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:52 pm EST

All that said, I am betting Gorton is in on the bidding for Drouin. What he'll end up costing and if that becomes too rich for the prospect and pick starved Rangers is impossible to predict right now. However, there is enormous pressure on Yzerman to end the negative publicity this is generating and up to 12 teams have expressed interest. Therefore, it's reasonable to speculate a deal will be done sooner rather than later.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:49 pm EST

BTW by no means am I saying neither G or S should be traded. For sure, the organization would be better if at least one is moved. Obviously, that only comes if the NMC is waived. What Gorton should do is approach both and request from them a list of teams they'd be willing to move to. Do it civilly and professionally. That may be enough. The other methods are drastic and rarely are invoked and I simply don't see Gorton (and company) willing to wade into such muddy and controversial waters.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:46 pm EST

step: Good point on Bourque and funny about Paille being the QBPP in the works. LOL

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:45 pm EST

Vic: It's doubtful they'll trade Shaw - he's a key piece of their success and in fact, the only forward with some real grit in the lineup. IMO, the best the Rangers will get is a first rounder and a mid-level prospect. He's a rental and the fact that his cap hit is low becomes less and less of a factor as the clock marches on. IMO, to take advantage of that, he should have been moved 2 months ago.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:36 pm EST

RF4L: YANDLE for SHAW and a good prospect? Gotta figure out a way to get SHAW on this team. Love the guy's game. Tough to play against. Winner. Playoff performer. Versatile player and right handed shot.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:28 pm EST

Ola. I am unclear on your argument. Are you predicting Gorton will send obe of Staal or Girardi home to force them to agree to waive their nmcs??

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:26 pm EST

Mf. The Hawks csnnot afford either contract (Staal/Girardi). Not gonna gappen. Yandle? Perfect for them. I'd say that's up there for realistic Yandle destinations in next several weeks...

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:04 pm EST

Gary; Amen. I rarely watch a game without Mac. Also don't get the Pysie (had to do it) signing. This is what pisses me off about this organization. Why not call up a Bourque for a few weeks of 4th line duty to finally give him a good look. There will always be some over 30 fodder out there for your 4th line if things don't pan out. At least you see what the kid can do. Ya never know. Knowing AV Paille will be the PPQB in about a week.

stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 21 2016 4:26 pm EST

Hospo - You hit the nail on the head about the NHL driving me crazy these days. I'm now retired and have more time on my hands. Thought I would have the Rangers and local hockey to help keep my blood circulating at an elevated rate. What a disappointment. I don't even bother watching the Rangers any more unless Big Mac is in the lineup.

GaryRanger


Thu Jan 21 2016 4:24 pm EST

Paella (Valencian pronunciation: [paˈeʎa] or [pəˈeʎə], Spanish: [paˈeʎa]; English approximation: /paɪˈjɛlə/[1] or US /pɑːˈjeɪə/[2]) is a Valencian rice dish with ancient roots that originated in its modern form in the mid-19th century near Albufera lagoon on the east coast of Spain adjacent to the city of Valencia.[3] The dish is widely regarded as Spain's national dish, as well as a regional Valencian dish; Valencians regard paella as one of their identifying symbols.

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 4:18 pm EST

Just wait until he goes in the lineup over Lindberger! Which won't be long...

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 4:02 pm EST

PAILLE?

hipcheck


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:57 pm EST

OLA:......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuvEJ-U1UDc

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:41 pm EST

WE s/b With

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:40 pm EST

I am sorry but I think all NYR fans in the world deserves more than to be sacrifized on the alter of Marc Staal.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:40 pm EST

Doesn't this make more sense than having Miller & or Kreider on the 2nd lines? Sure, if the situations change, you make the adjustments. However we a cast like this, "We're Deep!" jmho snatcherally

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:39 pm EST

RF4L- You are definitely right about the controversy aspect of trading Staal and Girardi. But if the option is to completely give up trying to win a cup and enter into some really questionable two step back one step forward retooling process, I think you need to look into that. One, it can be done. Two, it makes sense. Three, Gorton have to up set some millionaire who will keep making millions somewhere else playing hockey, oh god forbid.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:39 pm EST

RIGHT WINGS: STAFFORD, MZA, MILLER, STRALBURG or FAST

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:38 pm EST

Left Wings: NASH, LADD, KREIDER, GLASS

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:36 pm EST

Hospo, get us LADD & STAFFORD ship out STEPAN & whatever to make the dollars work (it's not much) and we can deal with YANDLE & the defense in the offseason.... I'd bet we'd go so far as to compete for the ECF......

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:30 pm EST

I also think some of us exaggerate how bad the Rangers are this year..Don't get me wrong, they have not been playing good hockey over the last month or so..but except for maybe the CAPS and the HAWKS almost all the other Cup contenders have gone (Isles, Habs, Pens, Ducks, Sharks, Kings, TB) or are going through ( WIld, stars, etc..) an extended period of poor play......The KEY is what GMs best identify what is missing on their team and act accordingly....I think the Rangers are in the same boat as quite a few teams here and here's hoping Gorton Has a Cloo.......A nice 4 game winning streak (beating Car, Ott and Buff this weekend) would be a good start in preventing paninc trade...

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:28 pm EST

Chicago is supposedly looking for a top 4 D'man..... Would it hurt poor Staal or Girardi's feelings if Sather or Gorton lied to them and said something like, "btw, Chicago asked if you would waive your NMC or NTC to come play with us?" Same lie / question could theoretically come from Dallas, not a shabby city btw, and NO State Income Tax to boot! Instant raise!

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:24 pm EST

RF: Thu Jan 21 2016 1:26 pm EST Some of you guys make it appear to simple to get a player - a veteran player who a year ago was an integral part of a successful team - to waive his NMC. Pressbox him or send him home or farm him out. Geeesh. Doing that risks creating a whirlwind of controversy. Do you think G and/or S will merrily back their bags and go home? If so, really? Do you think the friends and alliances they have on the team will shrink in fear and be good soldiers for the team? If so, really? Do you think other players, when considering contract offers from the Rangers in the future, won't be aware of this sort of treatment the organization resorts to? If so, really? If it was that simple, teams would be doing this all the time. They don't. Those sort of moves are last minute acts of desperation. It won't happen. RF4L

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:19 pm EST

RF4L - I really don't like propsing trades since have zero info...but waht I can say is if I think they need to trade (YES) and what I think the Rangers needs (a Forward or two, not prospects) and who I view as likely chips (said before, although I'd trade anybody)..Gun to my head, mayb Dallas? Starting to struggle..Looking for a D-man, have their own disappointin big forward in Nicalishun (sp ?) .alot forward depth....WINNIPEG as MF has covered?...That's it from me on that

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 3:14 pm EST

mf: Not sure what you are arguing against with your post about rich athletes...

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 2:22 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/ducks-trade-jiri-sekac-to-blackhawks-for-ryan-garbutt-why/

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 2:03 pm EST

RF: let's see, these guys are professional athletes who learn the business side of sports... get paid handsomely to do a job they love... Accept and cash their paychecks, and we're supposed to be concerned about these prima-donna's feelings because management wants to steer the ship in a different direction that requires making moves???? I'm not concerned with their feeling, Dolan gives these guys 1st class red carpet treatment and is willing to pay.... They'll sign here....

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:58 pm EST

Apparently NYR opponents PP is 31% efficiency since Stoll gone

puckyou


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:58 pm EST

Paille may get a look as 4th line PK'er

puckyou


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:56 pm EST

You cheerful, glass half full moose country loving neighbor........

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:55 pm EST

Hospo: Bullspit! Give the Bozo's some content to read before they make their decisions.... That's part of our thankless-payless job... ;-)

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:51 pm EST

BTW, I'm just venting and not angry at anyone here. No, once again I'm annoyed at Glen Sather and his incompetencies.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:51 pm EST

RF: Mr. Ola suggested that a PF or a scorer could be acquired inexpensively, not moi.....

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:50 pm EST

RF: Please put on your Winnipeg GM hat.... Hypothetically The NY Rangers are offering Derek Stepan (& possibly someone to create a little cap room) for Ladd & Stafford & possibly a pick if more needs to come back to make the trade fair for the Rangers.) Now you're examining your JET'S lineup, is Stepan a guy you can build with? I think so.. Ladd an UFA at season's end, Stepan 25.5 yrs young signed at a reasonable contract (for Winnipegs situation, NOT NY's situation) and for his prime years.... In the meantime, we keep intact our defense with our 7 defensemen, we'd pick up "2" top 6 players (both 30 yrs old, 2 months apart by the way) and this would push 1 of our players who "may" be currently playing on a higher line than his talent due to our current shortfall of top line talent...... Hayes becomes a full time center on one of the top 3 lines... If he's weak at the FO Circle, perhaps one of his wings are better to handle the face-off's....... We stay in a position where we don't have one of the best top line centers in the league, but we remain with our PMD's & PF's.......... Until convinced otherwise, I believe that this can be done....... Also, lets say that FAST has to be included with Stepan & Winnipeg may still need to eat $500K-$1mill of say Ladd's salary to make it work (it will be close) AND, we are giving up too much for Ladd & Stafford,"then" we ask for a pick in addition..........

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:50 pm EST

Hospo: LOL...fair enough. Propose something perhaps? Let us see the viability of it. It's easy to say 'trade Fast and Hayes and player X for a top 6 forward'; it's quite another to say who that top 6 forward is....

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:48 pm EST

Hypothetical trades are always impacted by opinions and desires, best to jsut grin and bear them or wait for the real ones that do come down, which in the past have been surprising...

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:48 pm EST

BTW, IMO compariing Marc Staal to Vinnie LeCavalier to back a fantasy move is precisely why these proposed moves are just that: Fantasy. LeCavalier is years removed from being a productive player and everyone but the Philadelphia Flyers knew he was done when he signed with them a few years ago. Marc Staal isn't even 30 yet and on most teams would be a top pairing d-man and on every team in the top 4, regardless of the struggles he's had this year. He is a viable NHL defenseman still in his prime with several effective years left in him. I concur if he wasn't armed with a NMC it would behoove Gorton to shop him but that's not because I think he sucks; instead (and I've been saying this for 3 to 4 years now) it's because the Rangers depth is on the backline so that's where they should be trading from to help address where the true shortcoming is (and has been for those 3 to 4 years). The same argument applies to Girardi, although to a lesser extent because he's not as good as Staal and he's got more mileage on him. Alas, Sather gave both NMCs. What he should have done was trade one in their pending UFA year (as I posted on here for Sather to do). More stupidity courtesy of Job For Life.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:45 pm EST

RF4L - I am not suggesting trading Hayes by himself, or Fast by himself or one of the D-men by himself, so enough with your factual proclamations of what I can get...Geez, you're starting to sound like someone else that always bugged you.:)

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:39 pm EST

mf: You need to provide more details on what an 'inexpensive Gaborik' is.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:34 pm EST

RF4L: I totally agree with those two posts.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:32 pm EST

OLA: Are you aware of where we can locate an inexpensive Gaborik? We certainly need a top 6 sniper / finisher..... just saying........

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:29 pm EST

Hospo: Fast will get you another bottom 6 player. Hayes will get you another underachieving young forward. You want a legitimate top 6 forward (not an aging relic like MSL) you gotta offer up more than those 2 and you gotta figure out how to make it fit under what is a ridiculously tight cap. I honestly think most of us are dreaming here - there's few assets in the system, there's no cap room and the most tradeable players (from a creating another hole perspective) can't be moved due to NMCs. Gorton is sitting on his hands because there's very little he can do, save for start to retool, which if it's gonna happen, won't start until the off-season.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:26 pm EST

Some of you guys make it appear to simple to get a player - a veteran player who a year ago was an integral part of a successful team - to waive his NMC. Pressbox him or send him home or farm him out. Geeesh. Doing that risks creating a whirlwind of controversy. Do you think G and/or S will merrily back their bags and go home? If so, really? Do you think the friends and alliances they have on the team will shrink in fear and be good soldiers for the team? If so, really? Do you think other players, when considering contract offers from the Rangers in the future, won't be aware of this sort of treatment the organization resorts to? If so, really? If it was that simple, teams would be doing this all the time. They don't. Those sort of moves are last minute acts of desperation. It won't happen.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:24 pm EST

Hospo, it is all good... Much content here makes it to the papers & media streams... I've bashed LB at times for stuff..... but he's doing us a favor & service (imo) by putting The Wall content out there....

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:19 pm EST

VIC - First things first, I hope and agree that there is going to be a significant trade over the next month that alters the forward lines...While, PAILLIE is most likely a Black Ace...I'm not too sure AV is all that happy with Lindberger these days and he's another player Paille could surpass in the current top 12...The Swedes were pretty good against Vancouver as a 3a/3b or 4a/4b line yet I think Lindberger was still benched by AV for some errors.......

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:18 pm EST

Ola, I have driven the bus for trading Staal & Girardi for some time... I don't know what kind of clauses they have NMC / NTC / Santa? .... nor do I understand the ramifications or limitations that each carry........ If we can move just one of these two in the off season, AND we trade Stepan, We can afford to re-sign Yandle! (don't forget Boyles a gonner or a cap friendly contract)

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:18 pm EST

soon find out if pail replaces sta-megna.....he has the right name...that's where Gorton fishy found him.....fast and cheesy better step up their games...veenknow loves vets.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:17 pm EST

mf: Yes, I know. I just don't think they are realistic. JMHO.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:13 pm EST

MF - Except, we have no choices and we make no decisions! But it's still all good...

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:12 pm EST

STEVIE: That doesn't make much sense to me. I'm sure MEGNA's cup of coffee is done but the only way a guy like PAILLE is making this lineup is if there is a whopper of a trade involving multiple players that leaves the Rangers with 12 forwards. That would mean that at least two forwards would be going the other way if 1 were coming back. Leaving PAILLE as the black ace.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:12 pm EST

vcp1994: Yup! that's one of the beautiful things about this Wall... Gives us a forum to throw topics & ideas out and let the good folks here rip it apart... Choices & decisions by committee....

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:10 pm EST

Paille was part of a good 4th line for quite awhile in BOSTON...Speedy player that can also kill penalties...Definitely a plus over Megna and maybe even another player..can see him fitting in well with Moore unless he's done, which he probably isn't at 31..And if he is, it's a two-way contract..No biggie

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:03 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV says Daniel Paille will travel with the team to Raleigh. Could be a player move tomorrow.

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 1:00 pm EST

Go chat=Gonchar

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:59 pm EST

MF- But you can at least dream about filling some roles cheap. Bickell was a nobody before he became Chi's PF. LAK got Gabby really cheap and he was the scoring winger they missed. But top centers or a D that can move the puck just don't fall into your lap out of nowhere. Teams have been giving these guys insane contracts for a long time, they are really hard to get a hold of. Go chat was basically in a wheelchair after AOs knee on knee hit but still got like a 5 year deal with almost 6m per. Dallas paid him LAST season, it seems like a decade ago I last saw him play. Hence why we made that trade for Yandle to start with. What is our plan to build a blueline that will move the puck well enough? The farm is completely bare, Skjei is our best option and he couldn't score in College even if he can skate. We have no draft picks. And we have no cap space. Sorry, a PMD won't fall into our lap from nowhere that can replace both Boyle and Yandle. Brooks and co that hate Yandle can say that he only is our 5th D, how hard is that to replace? That is sticking your head in the sand, and we will see real soon how this team will look next year with that blueline if Gorton doesn't realize it. We have a situation NOW that is REALLY bad, and we are about to make it A LOT worse by dumping both Yandle and Boyle.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:58 pm EST

Rangers sign Daniel Paille! The cup is ours. Nice knowing you Jayson Megna.

Bob


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:57 pm EST

Boyle gone, or signed at a cap friendly 1 yr deal as a 7th D & Stepan traded = $11million in Cap Room.... That's a good start

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:54 pm EST

RF4L: if you go back & look at my trade proposals, you'll see that the Salary Cap has been factored in to every single suggestion.......

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:51 pm EST

At best, it's back to 2-1 hockey for this team if we let Stralman, Yandle and Boyle walk while not replacing them. Most likely, it gets a lot uglier than that.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:50 pm EST

PPQB, 1ST LINE CENTER, Power Forward............. How many years did we post and read about these holes from 2004 - forward? I don't think that there's a person here that didn't chime in on this........ We have the PPQB's in Yandle & Boyle (not Brad Richards-that work ed great, not!) we have PF Chris Kreider (he needs intensive coaching imo to grow into the mold) 1st Line Center, just tap your heels 3 times Dorothy, maybe we'll find one.. Oh wait, Kevin Hayes from Kansas is in our own backyard.... ""The Grass ain't greener, the wine aint sweeter, either side of the hill!"" Ay Gibbo? ;-)

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:49 pm EST

Just for the record, it was recently made public that Girardi only have a NTC. Capgeek or someone got it wrong previously and that info spread.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:48 pm EST

they made decisions on guys they let walk or traded, claiming they couldn't afford them.....that's their job, and they are far from infallible.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:46 pm EST

RF4L- Girardi and Nash have limited NTCs, IE they submit a list with teams they cannot be traded to each year, and Staal have a NMC that can be waived by Staal himself. If you push for it, Staal can be moved. Send him home and tell him that he won't dress here again, he would waive sooner rather than later. It would hurt our reputation a lot, no doubt, but it's basically what Philly did with Lecavalier.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:42 pm EST

Yep Boyle over stralman HUGH MISTAKE..i think the wall can be a better GM than Sather. GOD HE SUCKS

vcp1994


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:42 pm EST

wiosa to trade with girardi , they are old pals...lol....guess he's an insurance policy ......the fish stinks from the head of fishboy fish head fisherman gorton...he's making believe he's working....Sather taught him that.....how to be a fathead. ....just wish they would add 1 piece and go for it already instead of the half pregnant approach.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:34 pm EST

OLA: Also on STRALMAN.....totally agree and I wanted him resigned. But the "braintrust" didn't want to commit to him. Instead they went out and signed BOYLE. When that didn't work they traded for YANDLE. And if you ask me STRALMAN was better then both YANDLE and BOYLE. It would have been so much cheaper and smarter to resign STRALMAN.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:32 pm EST

So why did we sign this guy? Doesn't look like he played that much this year

WIOSA


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:31 pm EST

OLA: I'd be open to resigning YANDLE but there is one problem......he doesn't want to resign. At least not before the end of the season after becoming a UFA or just before when his negotiating leverage is at its strongest. That doesn't work for the Rangers. He has to be resigned before the deadline. There is another way this could go down. If YANDLE won't resign now they can deal him at the deadline for whatever they can get for him. After July 1 they can look into resigning him. But, I think we all know that if he gets to UFA status he is going to get more money elsewhere.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:27 pm EST

Should be interesting to see how the Rangers will get out of Raleigh on Saturday to get to Ottawa....They probably will have to leave Saturday night due to the snotty weather coming this way.

TradeStar28


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:26 pm EST

RF4L - Disagree..Kevin Hayes has been an absolute Zero for this team this year but still has big value...Fast is a solid NHLer but contrbutes little offensively...And , we will still have a good defense if one of Yandle, Klein or Mcilrath is traded.......There is enough trade chips (if you want) to make one good deal (plus maybe a small one) that can set this team up for a run in the pretty even (except Caps) East....Even if Hayes isn't part of the equation..........I don't see any chips going for prospects and picks, but rather for items that caan help this year and next..

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:21 pm EST

If the forwards ever get their heads out of their ass and Backcheck and play positional defensive hockey consistently, I think some on here will be surprised about how good the D "starts playing"....Getting a reliable player for the spot now held by the Ghost of Gabby Hayes (and it could be the old Kevin Hayes) and a 3rd line that is a threat to score, will also play big......I feel a four game winning streak coming on...

Hospo


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:14 pm EST

And the reality is this: Moving almost anyone of significance off this roster who can be moved (re isn't armed with a NMC) will create a hole. But the roster as it sits currently isn't enough for a deep PO run (and in the end I don't care about a deep PO run if it means no cup). Therein lays the conundrum. It's looking more and more that it's time for a rebuild/retool. What the hell Fishhead is thinking who knows? He's about as forthcoming with the press and fans as Job For Life.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:04 pm EST

Ola: Nash is almost as difficult to move as G or S? He doesn't have a full NMC but he does control his possible destinations. More importantly, given his struggles since coming to NY, he's salary is a massive handicap. Who is willing to take that on given the realization he may or may not score with any consistency and can't produce in the POs? The Rangers would have to eat a chunk of his salary I suspect to get anyone to bite and that's a dangerous thing to do. No, I maintain my stance here: Sather has made a mess of things when it comes to retooling and the fallout, among other things, likely includes a lack of financial resources to resign Yandle (assuming he even wants to stay, which everyone seems to overlook). If the season ends the way it's looking it could, everyone should be on the block and that includes both Brassard and Stepan. Stepan will become another G and S next year - another suspect contract courtesy of job for life.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:54 am EST

RF4L- The thing is, I would be very concerned about moving one of the centers. Its just very hard to find a top center in this league (although sometimes I do worry about Stepan, his NMC kicks in after July 1st I think). I wouldn't trade Ryan McDonagh. Besides that, I think I rather keep Yandle than just about any player. NOT because I think Yandle is that great, because I think its a position we are extremely short at as it, AND I just cannot see how we could replace him not to mention improve in that area on top of that. Gorton was involved when Boston traded Joe Thornton. He can make changes in NY. I rather trade Nash than let Yandle walk. I would definitely rather trade Girardi AND Staal rather than letting Yandle go. Gorton have options, he is paid a lot to take tough decisions. We want to win a cup, its time for him to make the best decisions that puts us closest to the cup.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:52 am EST

Ola: And I get your concern for 2 years time because there's so little in the system to step into the lineup from a top 6 forward perspective. There's Buch and basically nothing else but mid-level prospects. If Fishhead doesn't acquire additional picks or prospects, it's gonna be real dark in Rangerland soon.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:49 am EST

Ola: Staal and Girardi are armed with NMCs. They aren't going anywhere. If, by chance Fishhead is able to convince one to waive his NMC, that'll be amazing and perhaps the man's single biggest achievement. Both waiving won't happen. Fishhead's gills are tied. What a fustercluck mess that's slowly but surely unfolding here thanks to Glen Sather's inability to see what he really had. Job for life!

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:49 am EST

I don't think we ever would be having these discussions if something similar were about to happen at the center position. We will in 2 years time loose Stralman, Yandle and Boyle and only ice a blueline with stay at home defenders. If your best playmaker up front is Chris Kreider, most would be very concerned. In terms of abillity to move the puck, Dylan McIlrath will be our 2nd best puck-mover. I definitely think that is an issue.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:47 am EST

ola: I don't get it. How can they afford his $6,000,000 cap hit? Please explain.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:46 am EST

31 year old LW from the Bruins. Im confused

WIOSA


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:45 am EST

Vic- On that team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals, who was by far the best puck-mover out of his own end, had fantastic possession stats, and played a lot in a top 4 role? Yeah, Anton Strålman. He is no longer with us. Klein was on the 3rd pairing. He has been great for Tampa too. Girardi and Staal are also looking a lot more worn out now than they did 30 months ago...

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:43 am EST

RF4L- The option is to resign him of course.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 11:42 am EST

Daniel Paille?

WIOSA


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:48 am EST

Vic: Jensen has 2 goals and 3 points in 6 Pack games, which is basically his career AHL output. This guy is a bubble NHLer without a doubt. I don't know who he'd bump on the Rangers but suspect if a few injuries hit, he'll be the first forward recalled.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:45 am EST

Yeah, it kills me that all of sudden, the Ranger defense is slow and old and shitty. Meanwhile, they were amongst the best 6-some last year (and the year before). The entire team has collectively dropped off is what happened. And guess what? It happens. To all teams. Windows closing and opening. Gorton hears not a who's job is to decide how rapidly that window is closing and if there's any chance to reopen it. Signing Daniel Paille is certainly a step in the right direction. LOL Fishhead Gorton so far has underwhelmed. Badly.

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:42 am EST

SPORTY and STEVIE: Yep, it looks like a deal for AHL depth. I can't see him even being considered for the Rangers roster. But it could mean there is a deal pending where a spot will be opening up for a left wing in Hartford to come up.....JENSEN maybe?

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:40 am EST

Ola: It seems even more freakish plan-less to let an asset who cost a prime prospect (who'd be something like 3rd in team scoring on the Rangers with his current stats), a young serviceable bottom pairing d-man and a first vanish for nothing. If I believe a cup was realistically on the horizon for the Rangers this June, I'd get your point. But IMO it's not happening. If Yandle won't negotiate now but likes NY, then trade him now and chase him as an UFA in July (which is what they're going to have to do anyways it seems). Do you honestly believe a cup is possible for this club this June?

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:37 am EST

OLA: First, I think you are wildly exaggerating the issue. The Rangers went to the Cup finals two years ago and were the best team last year. One of the STRENGTHS of this team that helped them achieve that has been the fact that their D move the puck well and quickly. And they did all of that without YANDLE either being here or contributing much if at all to it in the case of last year. The Rangers lack a dynamic Offensive D in the mold of a LEETCH, ZUBOV, etc. But you know what? YANDLE isn't that guy either. And he is wildly inconsistent. As for not seeing the relevance to what was spent to acquire him I don't know how to answer that. You don't have to see the relevance. AV doesn't have to see the relevance. But GORTON and SATHER better damn well see the relevance. That is their job.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:35 am EST

Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay Paille grew up with Dan Girardi in Welland, Ontario, and remain close Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay Sounds like a depth signing in AHL Paille was cut from the Blackhawks during training camp and the left wing is with the Rockford Ice Hogs, Chicago’s AHL affiliate 1h Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay Paille, 31, played six seasons with the Bruins. He was 6-7-13 last year in Boston.

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 10:12 am EST

guess there are some moves coming. gorton probably knows this guy from his Boston days.....might have to change Gorton's name to catfish...the bottom feeder....In the United States, catfish species may be known by a variety of slang names, such as "mud cat", "polliwogs", or "chuckleheads".[13] These nicknames are not standardized, so one area may call a bullhead catfish by the nickname "chucklehead", while in another state or region, that nickname refers to the blue catfish.....Most catfish are bottom feeders. In general, they are negatively buoyant, which means that they will usually sink rather than float due to a reduced gas bladder and a heavy, bony head.[7] Catfish have a variety of body shapes, though most have a cylindrical body with a flattened ventrum to allow for benthic feeding.[7] A flattened head allows for digging through the substrate as well as perhaps serving as a hydrofoil. Some have a mouth that can expand to a large size and contains no incisiform teeth; catfish generally feed through suction or gulping rather than biting and cutting prey.[7] However, some families, notably Loricariidae and Astroblepidae, have a suckermouth that allows them to fasten themselves to objects in fast-moving water. Catfish also have a maxilla reduced to a support for barbels; this means that they are unable to protrude their mouths as other fish such as carp .............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfish

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:47 am EST

Don't know if anyone saw this, but we have finally signed our savior....http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/1/21/10805708/report-new-york-rangers-signed-daniel-paille....The Fisherman and Captain Gumball to the rescue.

sportyplaya1188


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:37 am EST

Vic- You are grasping for straws when you claim that Yandle have decided to not resign in NY. Gorton have several times indicated the complete opposite.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:36 am EST

And BTW, I fail to see any relevance of what we gave up for Yandle to this topic. What does it matter if we traded Duclair for him or not?

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:36 am EST

RF4L- It just feels so freakishly plan-less to just dump Yandle for a kid and a pick. What is the plan for this team then? How on earth are we going to put together a blueline that could let us contend? Our blueline would be one of the most expensive bluelines in the league -- and one of the worst at moving the puck, if not the worst, at a time were that part of the game is essential. Especially for a team like us. Please watch the duo of Staal-Girardi being on the ice right now and how they move the puck, that is what we will get. Listless pucks thrown up ice. Just seem like a recipe for disaster. Open up a spot for Yandle, keep him. Move the players that we CAN replace from within, Girardi and Staal.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:31 am EST

Vic- Yeah, we just have to agree to disagree on that one. When I take a step back and evaluate what a blueline must be able to do to hoist a Stanley Cup winner, I think we are in DEEP problems if we move Yandle and go forward with McD, Girardi, KIein, Staal and co. They do not defend extremely well, but more importantly, just don't even remotely move the puck way enough. We must not only resign Yandle, we must get him into a much bigger role. And preferably ADD someone else to that group that can make it better at moving the puck.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:26 am EST

BOB: All of that may be true but it is really irrelevant from the Rangers point of view. All that matters is that they have a guy who they spent a boatload of assets to acquire 10 months ago, isn't interested in resigning with the Rangers and will be walking away for nothing at the end of the season if they don't trade him in the next 5 weeks.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:19 am EST

There could be a few reasons Yandle does not want to negotiate with the Rangers, which include his ice time given to him from AV, his desire to play in Boston, his knowledge of the Rangers cap status indicating he would have to take a lesser deal, and his knowledge that this is his last big chance to cash in. Heck, he gets a smaller amount of ice time than you would think a "top guy" would get. he plays on the 2nd power play, and so on.

Bob


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:13 am EST

And again, none of this is Monday morning QB'ing. All of this was said, and much more, the day the deal went down. The reason I have so little faith is GORTON and SATHER is that all of these things were known and could easily be anticipated by just about anyone. The fact that they either didn't have the ability to anticipate all of this, or did anticipate it but made the deal anyway, is troubling no matter which it was. It speaks to incompetence. It speaks to a person or team that is unable to do the job they are entrusted with at a level that is required.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:10 am EST

Trust the Gorton's Fisherman®

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 9:08 am EST

STEVIE: All of that represents just a few of the 30+ reasons he should have never been acquired. And, since he was acquired, why he should have been dealt in the off season. The Rangers would have had growing pains with SKJEI, BODIE or GRAVES in that spot. But, they wouldn't have been any worse defensively, and BODIE and SKJEI both could have put up close to YANDLE's point totals from what I've seen of them. And the guy who they settled on would have had the entire season to get acclimated and develop. Now, if that happens they will be thrown into the late season playoff run and playoffs. YANDLE could have been packaged with STEPAN, HAGS and TALBOT for that #1 Center that this team needs. But again, the Rangers did nothing........nothing good that is. You also made reference to keeping YANDLE and trading his rights after the playoffs? Of what value are the rights to a UFA who refuses to negotiate with the team that holds his rights because he wants to go to UFA status to go to the highest bidder?

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 8:32 am EST

rf4l arc gave him that name. I called him the fisherman...from the Gorton fish company ....http://gortons.com/

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 8:21 am EST

BTW, stevie why do you call Gorton fishboy? Is it his face? He does look a bit like a fish...

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 8:19 am EST

I'm in the trade Yandle camp for sure. It was a stupid deal to get him in the first place and it'll be stupider to see him walk for nothing in July. JMHFO...

RF4L


Thu Jan 21 2016 8:02 am EST

Ola they will have to call up a guy if they trade yandle....diaz, skeij, bodie, graves ...?...he's a top d man, so far those guys are not, and can't shine a candle to yandle...poetry ....my position is hold him and trade his rights if they can't resign him....I'm going for it unless they are out of it by the deadline....that's highly unlikely...they seem to be doing the late veenyo wake up....they need to find a way to get a top six another way...it won't be easy or cheap....the cost of going for it....94 was very expensive.....worth it if mission accomplished.....if not , another thing to complain about.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:15 am EST

OLA: You know my position on YANDLE. From the day the trade was made I said he needed to be resigned or traded before the deadline this year. I think you waaaay overrate him but to each his own. I'd certainly be open to the Rangers resigning him. However, here is the critical thing. He and his agent have publicly stated that they aren't interested in negotiating during the season. Interesting, isn't it? KOPITAR, TOEWS, KANE, CROSBY and just about every pending UFA over the last many years have all been open to negotiate and resign if a deal could be worked out. Very few "big" name players under 30 get to UFA status. Even STAMKOS and his agent are negotiating with Tampa and there is supposedly bad blood there. So what does that tell you about YANDLE? It isn't a good sign IMHO, and it completely ties GORTON's hands. How can he do anything but trade YANDLE now? He has to or risk losing him for nothing. That is unacceptable.

Vic


Thu Jan 21 2016 7:04 am EST

Stevie- But is it even that? A top 6 forward, it seems like teams pick up those left and right. How do you get your hand on a good PMD if you need one? We had Leetch and Zubov, then maybe Poti/Schneider/Ozolinsh, and nobody before we got Boyle/Yandle. Having a blueline that can move the puck is also one of those things that impact you positively even when the said PMD isn't on the ice. Its so easy to play against a team that just moves the puck in one way, you can just put your head down, skate hard and follow your game plan. Its a disaster though if a forechecker is beaten 1 on 1 and the PMD can skate the puck up center ice, when you face a team that has that ability it forces you to constantly be aware and play on the safe side to not let that happen. You need to score goals somehow, if you don't have a Kane and AO a lot comes down to having that D that can open things up. Should we really plan to go forward with a top 5 of McD, Girardi, KIein, Staal and McIlrath? One 2-way guy and 4 stay at home Ds. McIlrath could be the best puck mover behind McD...

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:29 am EST

Ola the only way fishboy should trade yandle is if he's getting a top 6 forward in return. what are the chances of that, and who's going to get the puck up to the forwards? for what the nyr gave up to get him, they need to figure out how to resign him or get back close to what they gave, except they only paid half of his salary. . by the way he was hurt too in the finals. 4 d hurt and they still got to game 7. that says something about this d and team. unfortunately it says something about this coach too. ...the cap is probably going to kill the nyr chances next season. ....it needs to be changed to mlb system of a luxury tax. jimmyboy has the $ to pay it. and it would help the nhl.......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:07 am EST

Yandle have lead PHX to a Conference Final in a very tough Western Conference were they really put up a good fight against LA. Yandle played really well for us when everyone else was injured against Tampa in a Conference Finals. He has areas were he could be better, for sure, but its not like he can't get the job done.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:05 am EST

Odds are for sure that if we let Yandle walk now, we sign a "Mike Green" for 8m per in a few years. Just take each move made to get a PMD the last 3 years. Its our trade for Yandle. We signing Dan Boyle. Philly signing Streit and Andy McDonaly. Det signing Mike Green who has been a disaster for them. One hit away too. And the list just goes on like that. Someone will pay Buff 7-8m per until he is 40, good luck with that with that body. Someone will pay Barrie 7m per. Who are we getting? Kevin Shattenkirk when he may or might not become a UFA in 17' and may or may not sign with us? If that don't happen, then what?

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 6:01 am EST

Stevie- I don't want to make excuses, but environment also matters. MSL scored nothing for us when he played on a 3rd line with Zucc and Dom Moore I think. Yandle should not play with Dan Boyle. Its just not a great idea. Yandle and McIlrath has been great together. Yandle is not Leetch II, he is what he is. But good luck trying to find a good PMD in this league right now. We couldn't score to save our lives for like half a decade. We got Boyle, Yandle, MSL and Zucc broke through, and all of a sudden we started to score goals. Among the most in the NHL last season and we have scored a ton this year too, 5-6 overall in the league. MSL went last summer, let Boyle and Yandle walk this summer and we definitely pull the plug on that. No doubt. You don't want to look for PMDs right now and you don't want to look for top centers. What is our plan IF we trade Yandle and Boyle walks? You know, there isn't any. You and I both know it.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:49 am EST

He is clearly their third best defensive lefty defenseman, behind Ryan McDonagh and Marc Staal, but could he do more with more minutes, more opportunity? On Tuesday he played 23:33, just behind McDonagh’s 24:26, and well ahead of Staal’s 14:47. His 22 assists lead the team, despite his ice time, and there are nights, like Tuesday, when he has the puck all night. Yandle has said that he loves it in New York, has said he’s been “fully invested” since he got here, and that he’d like to stay. He knows the realities, and this is hardly the first time his name has been thrown around leading up to trade deadlines. Gorton has said he has had conversations with Yandle’s agent, but the fact is pretty obvious that it will be tough to fit him onto next year’s payroll, and beyond. Yes, he’s a pick-six waiting to happen a lot of the time, though his stretch passes are often effective and, more importantly, exactly what the Rangers lack in their attempt to play Vigneault’s system and utilize their speed, which has been neutralized by the inability of the defense to make that first pass up ice. Contenders needing some skill on the back end would gladly give up prospects or picks for Yandle, maybe even a first-rounder. That doesn’t help the Rangers this year. They’re not rebuilding unless the bottom falls out in the next six weeks. So maybe they trade him, if they trade him, for another rental type, perhaps for a veteran forward with an expiring contract who can help during the coming post-season, then walk away. These six weeks will tell. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/21/rangers-big-question-to-trade-keith-yandle-or-not/#sthash.fRyzi8yl.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:48 am EST

The option is to dump Yandle now, and probably spend the next 10-15 years looking for a PMD. At a time everyone else in the league is looking for one...

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:46 am EST

1. should be trade "Girardi", not Yandle.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:45 am EST

PART 3. Before just accepting "faith" and dumping Yandle that could get up towards 8m per on the open market, Gorton does have options like I mentioned. One of them could play out like this. The Artem Panarin this yeark is a 22 y/o 6'2 right handed PMD playing for CSKA Moscow that want to go to the NHL next season. Nikita Zaitsev. Really really good skater, player in the Gotisphere (sp?) mold. Good on the PP point, good offensively. 1. Trade Yandle. 2. Force Marc Staal to accept a trade. 3. Re-sign Yandle. 4. Sign Nikita Zaitsev. 5. Don't snooze the entire off-season, let everyone know that we have openings on the blueline. Makes sure to sign a couple of steady LD/RDs as "7th" Ds (there are always a few vets out there that will take a cheap 1y deal to prove themselves, Franson have done it, Nikitin this year? Guys like that.) Ice the following blueline next season: McD-Klein, Yandle-McIlrath, Skjei-Zaitsev /or a cheap vet D. I think that blue-line could contend. It would be extremely modern, very good at moving the puck, really really fast. AND, we enter a off-season where nobody else have ANY cap space with the money we have saved on Girardi, Staal and Boyle (15m?), of which less than half would go to resigning Yandle. IE we would have a ton of space going forwards to make moves, at a time cap space would be really valuable.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:39 am EST

PART 2. But what options do Gorton have? Yandle is a UFA, we have Mcd and Staal with a NMC on LD. Girardi could be moved but he is a RD. And so forth and so forth. Given how horrible I think the previous mentioned option would be, Gorton does have options. Girardi can be traded, he has a NTC. We can also move Marc Staal, if we are willing to pay the price for it. Gorton can litterary send Staal home and let him know that he won't dress before he has accepted a trade, his future with this team is over. More or less what Philly did with LeCavalier. It sends a really loud and clear message to players that we want to sign in the future that we might not care all that much about threating them well and a NMC with us means just about nothing, but it IS an option.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:35 am EST

My take on what is going on: PART 1. Many seem to want Gorton to enter into some kind of speedy retool process were Yandle is dumped for a pick and kid and maybe another move is made. Boyle retires this summer, and we replace Boyle and Yandle with Skjei and McIlrath. HOWEVER, I am very afraid of a future were we have a top 5 of McD, Girardi, Klein, Staal and McIlrath + Skjei/vet pick-up. None of those Ds opens up the ice well. All are more or less predictable. I think there is a very big risk that this puts us back into the "2-1" hole, were we only could win if we shut down the other team and Hank stands on his head, McD, Girardi and co turn into human walls again blocking shots and what not. Sid Crosby got 37 pts or something in like 43 games playing in front of a blueline that cannot move the puck. Our forwards would loose their confidence and trade-value not scoring. This option to me is like Janet Yellen hitting the podium using the word "recession" 40 times in 300 seconds.

Ola


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:10 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/01/21/how-a-mindset-change-has-helped-the-rangers-j-t-miller/

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:06 am EST

Hospo probably as reliable as me......http://fulltiltnyr.com/jeff-gorton-puts-the-rangers-on-notice-in-advance-of-the-nhl-trade-deadline/

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 5:04 am EST

pull pulp pick

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:51 am EST

Moof plenty of fiction here and lb referencing pull fiction .... Guess it went over some heads .... It might have woken Bazookerella up since he supposedly is a nyp reader.... Hospo I'll post link in am....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:32 am EST

ERIKSSON put up way better #'s with Dallas than with Boston.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3717

mf


Thu Jan 21 2016 12:16 am EST

STEVIE - Just curious..what was the source of your post ""I think, Gorton and Alain Vigneault feel that another top winger is needed for the playoffs when scoring becomes tougher. One of the rumors floating around has Yandle to Boston for Loui Eriksson.........".. I hope I'm not agreeing with that hack Carp and Not that I had ERIKSON in mind, but that's the type of trade I was talking about before and expect for YANDLE not a trade for the future

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 8:18 pm EST

Blues forward ""Jaden Schwartz"" returns to practice ... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=798765

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 8:03 pm EST

RF: In all likelihood, this franchise intends to make the playoffs & compete... They're not rebuilding or tanking, they're tweaking & fine tuning for a cup run....... Someone needs to be traded & theoretically the better the value going out, the better we can expect in a return..... Guys like you, Vic, etc... have been pining for a 1st line center for what seems like 10+ years (man we're getting old) and we have too much of the same in Brassard & Stepan... Add to this the fact that Stepan's NMC or NTC which will soon engage "on top of" Nash's, Staal's, Girardi's, Lunquists, (did I miss anybody?) in conjunction with an expected modest if any Cap Increase and you got to look at the possibilities of trading almost anyone.... Especially one paid $6.5mill per………. Check out this list of wings: Nash, Ladd, Stafford, MZA, Kreider, Miller, Fast, Stalberg, Glass (one of the last 3 obviously gets benched) ……. Now subtract Ladd & Stafford but add Stepan.. Which group would you rather go for the cup with? I’m not saying this must be the trade by any means, but the trade deadline will be here before we realize and teams have started to jockey…..

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 8:03 pm EST

Stevie, you back from the valley of the death? ha ha ha ha

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:58 pm EST

"I think, Gorton and Alain Vigneault feel that another top winger is needed for the playoffs when scoring becomes tougher. One of the rumors floating around has Yandle to Boston for Loui Eriksson. The 6’2 winger has 14 goals and 34 points in 39 games. It should be noted that he makes 4.25M on the cap and just like Yandle will be a UFA at the end of the year. Of course, if the Rangers simply start playing better and winning games, the deals made will likely be of the smaller variety. More like depth deals if anything at all. What we do know today is that Gorton is talking to teams, talking with Yandle’s agent and let his players know, they’re on notice. "

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:46 pm EST

"His return bumped rookie Dylan McIlrath from the lineup for the eighth time in the previous 10 games, since Klein and Dan Girardi both returned from different injures after the Christmas break. Assuming Klein was able to go, Vigneault was asked if he had a decision between who would play, Girardi and McIlrath. He didn’t hesitate. “Girardi, for sure,” he said. "

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:45 pm EST

down cap.....?.... Dan Rosen ✔ @drosennhl As of now, all 7 Canadian teams are on the outside of the playoff picture. Plenty of time left, but it's possible none of them make it.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:39 pm EST

Drouin suspended after failing to report to AHL conditioning assignment. Getting interesting.

puckyou


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:36 pm EST

RF, t/y & no worries..... carry on mate

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:35 pm EST

RF: Like I said, "IMO" Ladd & Stafford could propel us into the "contender category" and that's substantial considering the current make up of this team...We'd gain 2 legitimate top 6 forwards with experience while also bringing vet presence... Some basics: Stafford a RHS "Right Wing" who drives to the net &put up decent numbers on a Buffalo squad no less for most of his career. I recall Stafford driving to the net from the right circle and scoring the last game he played as a Sabre against us. He may have potted 2 that game, and I specifically recall that Chris Stewart was a non event that game... ANDREW LADD: guys here have been clamoring for some time that he is a hockey player molded with what they sought in a player..... Stepan is a lot to offer in exchange, if too much for your comfort zone for the return, perhaps they need to add something to the equation, a pick, prospect, or perhaps they have an attractive 3rd pair LHS defenseman.. :>)

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:13 pm EST

Sorry mf - that post came across as sarcastic and angry (thanks for the reality check Hospo) and it wasn't meant to be. I enjoy reading (most of) your trades so keep them coming. I will continue to respond...eventually, if you propose enough, we will agree!!!!

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:01 pm EST

RF4L - wow, easy my friend..Not like all your ideas are winners either..As always, it only matters what the GM wants to do and I can see him going for a vet or two before giving up on the season and trying ti replenish the farm..we shall see.

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 6:51 pm EST

Oops...meant to say might make them a little better for a very short period of time (because Ladd is a pending UFA).

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 6:51 pm EST

mf: Maybe but moot. The situation is already serious when it comes to what's in the system. To trade away 25 year old Stepan given his place in the lineup and contract for something that might make the Rangers a little better would be crazy IMO. It simply ain't gonna happen my friend. Go back to your trade generator and see if you can come up with something more realistic.

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:55 pm EST

Girardi should have been placed on the IR early this month or just before the holidays.. It's a 10 game stint & I believe must encompass 24 days... There still may be time to consider this... The guy can heal, rest, and work out in the pool, gym, etc... to stay fit..... Guess common sense ain't so common here too........ jmon

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:32 pm EST

I guess I kinda forgot about BOYLE! I usually do..mainly because I know he ain't going anywhere and I know he's done as a Ranger after the season...Jut have to squeeze as much offense out of him a we can...And ye, that bozo AV should be resting him now and then.

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:23 pm EST

VIC - Regarding YANDLE, people around here say that every year about the price of top rentals, and then you have guys like Gaustad, Vermette, Sekera. and many more that fetch a 1st rounder plus more...Personally, I think theat if the Rangers trade YANDLE for a 1st rounder, that pick will be flipped elsewhere for a player, or they deal YANDLE for another player perhaps even another pending UFA at another position...

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:12 pm EST

VIC - We are not too far apart...I would love a YOUNG STAR on this team but it ain't happening...We haven;t drafted one and it's almost impossible to trade for one..But this team has plenty of young players...Look at the forwards--8 of the top 9 forward are young....Brass, MZA, Kreider, Miller, Stepan, Hayes, Fast , Linberger...And we already threw away another one (ETEM).We don't need younger, we flat out need better..ONE GOOD vet or ONE GOOD KID, the key word is GOOD, can make alot of difference.....As for the D, outside of GIRARDI, I don't think age or wear/tear has any impact..I honestly can't tell you why Staal has been so inconsistent, but severly doubt it is age...But still, overall, a solid D where age means nothing....This is not an old team, it just needs to be better--and that can be an older guy or a younger guy....Would you rather have a 23 year older like HAYES who does nothing and fits in with no-one..or a 28-29 year old forward that can score goals for the team and make the lines more balanced and powerful? of course, a 23 year old that does that trumps both!

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:01 pm EST

ANDREI: I sure hope you are right about the return for YANDLE but I'll believe it when I see it. I have a hard time believing the Rangers will get back much more then a 2nd and a mid level prospect for the rental of YANDLE. I say that because I know if I were the GM of the team the Rangers were dealing with I wouldn't be parting with anything more then that for YANDLE.

Vic


Wed Jan 20 2016 4:57 pm EST

HOSPO: No worries. Actually, I never cared about the age issue until after the lockout and rules changes. Prior to then it was common for older players to play a big role in Cup level teams. Hell, it was common for teams to try to acquire as many Vets as they could because the speed of the game really wasn't an issue and their experience was critical. But that was a different ERA. And for the record I want to win NOW too. But in today's game my opinion based on the evidence of the last 12 plus years is that forwards in their late 20s and 30s don't have the physical ability to be the centerpiece of a Cup team playing 25 minutes a night for the two grueling months of the playoffs. Sure, it is possible but it doesn't seem to happen anymore. I can't ignore that much evidence over that long a period of time. The game has changed. I still think veterans are important to a Cup team. I just don't want any guys that I have to rely on to be big time productive playoff players to be in their late 20s or 30s. Evidence suggests that you don't win with that makeup anymore, or at least it has much less chance for success. If BACKES was 23, 24 or 25 I'm all in. The same with KESSLER. Those guys were physical monsters then. They go do it game in and game out with no problem. That kind of player is so needed on this team. But those guys have been breaking down the last few years. They don't play the way they used to. They are still good but they aren't that kind of player anymore. All that said, I'd take a chance on DUBI if the Rangers could get him. I think Columbus wants out of that contract because they don't have the rest of the team around which a guy like DUBI could be an impact player. The Rangers do. DUBI is a versatile 2nd or 3rd line guy that plays a physical, nasty game and produces a reasonable amount of points.

Vic


Wed Jan 20 2016 4:32 pm EST

Detroit loses two to injuries, one a LHS Defenseman, Yandles stock price just upticked.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/red-wings-lose-kronwall-for-2-4-weeks-miller-for-4-6-months-to-knee-injuries/

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 4:15 pm EST

Andrei, good stuff... I think we could make a Stepan for Ladd & Stafford, they'd have to eat up to $1mill for this year..... RF: Do you think that Ladd & Stafford makes us better offensively this year? FWIW, I sure as hell do, and you know, it just might convert us from pretenders to "Contenders." This is a win, win trade for both teams, but not necessarily for Stepan's liking.... (Boohoo Step if you can't find content and happiness cashing your paycheck) ... So, that could theoretically leave Yandle as the next trade target... As Andrei states: he's a top 4 Dman at a very cap friendly price of $2.625mill (that is if Arizona's responsibility to pay half carries through to the team we trade him to) and worth a "prospect & a pick" in return... I imagin that there are plenty of suitors for Yandle... Has the TBL traded that Drouin kid yet??? (TD, wink wink) .........

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 3:55 pm EST

Hey GaryRanger! Thanks...Long time!..If I hate the loss of physicality in the NHL these days, it must be driving you bonkers!

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 3:37 pm EST

Hospo - the guy that KO'd Macrattan was Daniel Maggio. The Rangers drafted him. I think the same year as Big Mac

GaryRanger


Wed Jan 20 2016 3:05 pm EST

mf, not possible. We already strapped for cash. I want Stepan gone. Wanted him gone last off-season. Blockbuster trades like this, only occur either during draft and or during the trade deadline. I can't see any scenarios under which Stepan and Griradi traded during this current season. None. You can't simply trade a player with NTC without his permission and if you even attempt to ask him to lift it, impact on the locker-room will be devastating. So, no, i don't see Girardi being traded. I also don't see AV being on board. If we don't make the playoffs, then all bets are off. Management can do what ever they want in the name of "Improving the team". Yandle is another story. I don't think he will be playing for the Rangers much longer. He will be packaged to get a high pick and a good young roster player. That's the going asking price for the top 4 d-man. First rounder and a young roster player. We can all debate where Yandle is on the Rangers depth chart, but for the majority of the league, he is a top 4, offensive d-man, and price is very high on them. Contrary to the most views here, Rangers did not overpay to get him. They just paid a going rate and paid extra to have Arizona picking up 1/2 of the Yandle's salary. One destination for Yandle, might be Dallas.

andrei


Wed Jan 20 2016 3:02 pm EST

Ladd is a pending UFA. No way do you trade a young top 6 forward signed for the next 5 years for him.

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 2:58 pm EST

mf/Hospo: If you think swapping Backes for Stepan will address the Rangers offensive shortcomings, well let's agree to disagree.

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 2:58 pm EST

VIC - Somehow I could just picture you in the early 90's screaming against the trades for Mess, Matteau, Tik, etc.. and wanting somebody born during the Nixon/Ford Admin and not the damn JFK/LBJ days!....Just having fun and giving you a hard time......Personally, I don't care when they were born, I want GOOD players that help the Rangers win NOW and the future.....Like with MESSIER, the Rangers are in a strange situation with their FRANCHISE player The KING...You don't build for a future 5-10 years down the line with him and throwing away the present....It would be great if you could trade for the present AND future at the same time (and I think that is still possible if you are very smart) but if not the Rangers need to go for it in the short term and that might mean relatively older players....Look at the bright side, if they fail, within two years they can do the tank and rebuild that so-many want, including trading easier to deal cup-less vets who have NMC/NTC!. What's another 2 years when you are already willing to wait 5? :)

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 2:26 pm EST

How about we look for some players that were born during the CLINTON Administration and not the REAGAN Administration......Please.

Vic


Wed Jan 20 2016 2:14 pm EST

Actually, Stepan is more than a fair offer for those two.....

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 1:13 pm EST

LADD is the guy I'm referring to....... Stepan & something (low line player) for Ladd & Drew Stafford?

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 1:10 pm EST

E/Hospo: up your alley? http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-byfuglien-and-ladd-draw-trade-interest-as-jets-struggle-to-gain-ground-in-standings/

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:59 pm EST

The other salary caps are not tied to the Canadian dollar.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:40 pm EST

NN, has a salary cap ever gone down in professional sports? (I don't know) Also, 2 years out seems like a projection for expansion, this would create an opportunity to shed $$$ / cap....

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:34 pm EST

Under the category of "there is always somebody bigger", I present to you Brian McGrattan ex-NHL Heavyweight King....http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/nhler-brian-mcgrattan-knocked-ahl-fight-article-1.2503176?utm_content=buffer1afb5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=PLeonard+Twitter

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:33 pm EST

MF: The problem with trying to make these trades are..besides this year's cap, the cap might go up only a million for next season and could actually go down the season after due to the falling Canadian Dollar. I think they really have to start shedding salary. I do wonder if the Cap actually goes down in 2 years would they allow for amnesty buyouts again. That would be the only realistic way Staal or Girardi goes.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:30 pm EST

The voice of reason has once again been bestowed upon us (me)... What a buzz kill! ;-)

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:29 pm EST

Trading partners cont..... ANAHEIM: E/Bob, anyone else in the know... The Ducks seem to want to make the playoffs "this year." They take a gander on Hags, trade him for Perron, are they in need of a Defenseman? please advise...

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:28 pm EST

MF: Nash and Backes..two players who do squat in the playoffs.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:21 pm EST

E - I hear ya. I'm not calling for wholesale changes, and I know that speed/skill is the rage in the East now and probably forever, but I think they still need that type of player..ONE PLAYER like that can make a huge difference becasue, at times, it can effect three lines....RF4L- I'm not talking about the mechaincs of the trade, obviously St. Louis would have to throw in more and younger, but disagree that a player like BACKES couldn't help the Rangers this year..

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:18 pm EST

IF NASH can have so called chemistry with Jumbo Joe Thornton, one might think he could develop some with Backes.....

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:16 pm EST

RF: Backes becomes this years 1st/2nd line center in tandem with Brassard... This puts us back to playing "Line Bingo" to figure out the combinations & chemistry but I would like to see NASH have that big bodied physical center on the ice with him... Then add an MZA/KREIDER/MILLER/ etc on the other flank...... AND, since Backes is an UFA at season's end, they need to pony up something.... This is a going for it now move & brings us one step closer to getting our cap in order by removing Stepan & his soon to kick in NMC or NTC @ $6.5mill per....

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:10 pm EST

Stepan would help the Blues but what do they have to help the Rangers? Backes is not the answer, unless you get him for a song (because he's a pending UFA and not speedy/offensive/etc). Captain Kirk is a defenseman - the Rangers badly need another legitimate top 6 forward. If Stepan goes, who plays 1st/2nd line center? Hayes? Lindberg? If so, that's hardly a cup contending lineup. Maybe next year, meaning if you move Stepan you do so at the draft, not when you're fighting for a PO spot.

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:07 pm EST

HOSPO: you know we agree on the "type" of player the New York Rangers should be constructed out of. But just as well, I don't believe that wholesale changes is something we can count on. I also don't know if it is something that we want to see when it comes down to it. I have long been loathing the smallish center who can't skate worth a damn and their best/worst asset is the way that they slow down the play. That being Stepan of course.

E


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:02 pm EST

and, STL has been reported to be seeking some sort of offense just as we are.. The question is, does STEPAN help them create or provide the "type/kind" of offense they envision "&" will BACKES help us by helping our Wingers come alive?

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:01 pm EST

And on a Positive note, I gotta agree that the growth and development of JT MILLER this year has probably been the highlight of the Rangers season...With his speed, talent, and jam, he was always my favorite Ranger PROSPECT (I don't have many!) but I always had arguments with people like TDCHI and others over the last three years regarding his readiness for steady NHL play. He just made too many mistakes, too many bad decisions, and was too hesitant for me to just throw him out there...Until this season....Yeah, he still has Kovalovian Brain Farts but everything else has come together and even exceeding my hopes of a steady 3rd liner this season...Right now, his combo screams Top 6 ...It took a bit...but he may be as untradeable as anybody on the team right now....What we need is for Kreider to progress similarly and for Lindberger and Hayes to take the same track..

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 11:49 am EST

VIC/MF - With the parity in the NHL East (except the Caps right now), I do not think you are going to see a Ranger trade that doesn't help them this year..i.e., we won't see Yandle for picks...or a trade for a busted RNH...JMWO..............Now, something like Backes PLUS-Stepan is another story..I'd do it. depending on what else is thrown in (Step is much younger, better defensively and on the PK, Backes more physical, better at FOs, A wash offensivley though totally different styles)..Though older, BACKES is still the exact type of player that the Rangers need while Step is one of three Ranger centers that provide similar stuff offensevily..Still can't see St' Louis wanting to make the deal of their captain and physical leader..OTOH they have put contract negotiations on hold..

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 11:42 am EST

MF: I think you would have a tough time getting SCHWARTZ for STEPAN straight up. As for BACKES, I'd have been interested 6 or 7 years ago. Not too interested now.

Vic


Wed Jan 20 2016 11:31 am EST

Follow up to reading that Edmonton was dangling RNH in a proposed trade-rumor; obviously they were trading from strength and "IMO" we must continue to look to move 1 or 2 defensemen to sure up the forwards..... Perhaps the OILERS would be willing to include R.N.H. at a "discounted" price/value because he's out injured for the next 6-8 weeks.... Just food for thought.... They need/want defensive help & we got it... Sidebar thought: "There are so many more options available if/when you ponder 3 team trades." Edmonton/NY/STL for example.......... Back to 1 on 1 trades, was thinking over last nights proposal of trading with STL, anyone here have a scouting report on JADEN SCHWARTZ? The first thing I want to know is if the kid is Jewish! A NY team should have a "Schwartz" on it! May the Schwartz be with us my friends! ..... Seriously RF / TD anyone here who tracks the young guys as they come up the ranks please chime in with a scouting report on any of these players for the proposed trade.............. Is Stepan for Backes & Schwartz a good trade for both sides?

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 11:14 am EST

MF - They played fine, I don't think I said otherwise..

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 11:06 am EST

Hospo: I thought I read here that Klein & McDonagh played well together.....

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 11:04 am EST

A couple of random thoughts: have we tried a line combo of Brassard / Stepan / MZA ??? With our center configuration as it is, this member of the cjc keeps coming back to the fact that we need wings that will shoot and have good skill-set.... Taking that combo a step further Brassard / Stepan & _____ fill in the blank.... Has this combo been tried? Nash / Hayes / _______ (Krieder / Miller / MZA) ..... Last nights Swedish Line of Stalberg / Lindburg / Fast played well and me thinks that they should be given additional time to develop chemistry.........

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 10:59 am EST

E - I'm not so sure either but I'll tell you this, there's not a single player on the team I wouldn't trade in a New York second for a deal that made us better....There are other teams around the league that are also struggling so there could be a few surprising "even-up" trades of vets or youngsters that help teams change or make an identity...Guys WITH VALUE that I would really consider dealing are a D-man (Yandle or Klein--)...Hayes (His game doesn't fit anybody on the team NOW)...and Fast.....along with some picks, that should be enough for a smart GM to bring the needed scoring and fill the holes up front....One player could mean ALOT..

Hospo


Wed Jan 20 2016 10:30 am EST

KIS: I agree. You can't really gauge too much from last night. However, it is a good sign that they did mostly dominate the game. Last night was kind of the opposite of how the first month went, or rather the roles were reversed. For two periods or so it looked like Vancouver might win a game where they were outplayed badly but their goaltender stole the game for them. Didn't go down that way though as the Rangers really poured it on in the 3rd and got the clutch goal in OT.

Vic


Wed Jan 20 2016 10:28 am EST

E: I've been saying it for a while now: Gorton's next move will be an interesting one. What the heck is this man thinking with regards to the direction his team must now take.

RF4L


Wed Jan 20 2016 10:26 am EST

HOSPO: I just don't think that the New York Rangers have the assets to do something significant. They're out of draft picks and what paltry prospects they have don't exactly assemble a great package. Yandle is their best asset on a year when I think a lot of rental defenseman of good quality will be available. So, it makes me interested how much they can get for the guy. You should be able to at least recover 50-60% of what you spent to get him. Maybe better. But a prospect, player, and a pick would be nice. But, a quality goal scorer would suffice. February will at least be an interesting month. Tough decisions coming. I'm just hoping that Gorton doesn't go too short term on his thinking because I don't know if his defenses quality is nearly what it once was. And there is a lot of dead money and NMC's there. In the meantime, the team is at the crossroads.

E


Wed Jan 20 2016 9:16 am EST

Although I didn't think Vancouver was a good team. Miller put on a clinic in goal. I thought the Rangers played pretty good. More purpose. Some stupid decisions but that happens. Much better game from the good guys

KIS


Wed Jan 20 2016 8:59 am EST

Not to be a prick but wtf with all these nonsense posts Stevie use the off wall for all that shite its getting annoying.

York18


Wed Jan 20 2016 7:11 am EST

I don't fancy Zed, would like to see much more Zeb Macahan references... ;)

Ola


Wed Jan 20 2016 6:11 am EST

Fabienne: Whose motorcycle is this? Butch: It's a chopper, baby. Fabienne: Whose chopper is this? Butch: It's Zed's. Fabienne: Who's Zed? Butch: Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 6:10 am EST

Jules: There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you." Now... I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, that meant your ass. You'd be dead right now. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. See, now I'm thinking: maybe it means you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here... he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. And I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd..........

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:59 am EST

mfred just imagine if it was 1940 and no 1994.....not many are that masochistic.....msg would have to play that in black and white.....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 5:55 am EST

“We’ve go to show that Zed’s not dead, you know?” said loyal Post reader Mats Zuccarello, whose 17th goal of the year tied the game 2-2 at 11:46 of the third.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 20 2016 4:33 am EST

being a Ranger fan is like having a pain in the ass little brother......where you love him and hate him at the same time......where he just drives you up a freaking wall......

jnyr


Wed Jan 20 2016 2:28 am EST

Stevielegs- Didn't watch the game this morning, just the highlights on NHL.com. Saw a glimpse of the headline, started with "Mill...", before I got the video to start. For sure thought we would loose this game during those thrilling minutes of highlights lol and all saves by Ryan M, then JT gets the puck in OT and I basically flies out of the bed. Hahaha.

Ola


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:20 am EST

These salary numbers may not work, so we may have to eat more of Girardi's salary (perhaps $1mill p/y) or take on an additional salary.... They're paying Troy Brouwer $3.667 mill and he's a UFA at seasons end..... We may need to switch Brouwer for Schwatrz..... Again, I don't have a clue on how either team would receive such a proposal but it's worth throwing out here for The Plagiarists.......

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:12 am EST

Naturally we'd want to inquire about each guy's desire to resign here in NY... Backes could be exactly what we need up the middle, I think he'd run interference for and take the heat off NASH... Shattenkirk (RHS) would be our next offensive defenseman, next season we'd have Shattenkirk / Klein / McIlrath down the right side defense..... This trade suggestion also opens the door to trade Yandle (who I like on and for the Rangers) ...... This enables us to keep HAYES and work with him at least another year, I think we need to hold on to him and Backes could serve as a good mentor for some of these youngins....... Would St. Louis part with Schwartz? So one more time:.... SHATTENKIRK / BACKES / SCHWARTZ for GIRARDI / STEPAN / FAST &we eat $500K of Girardi's salary........... Wallster's?

mf


Wed Jan 20 2016 12:03 am EST

MFred et al: Check out the Hockey News article I posted at 10:05..... This is a an opportunity to size up the St.Louis line-up for a trade... Stated was that Edmonton's RNH was dangled as bait but he just got injured..... Now's our chance to move STEPAN..... Here's a good start, please chime in to make this thing fair and doable.... SHATTENKIRK (a 26 y/o RHS signed for $4.25 MILL this season & 1 more) & BACKES (a RHS who turns 32 in May signed at $4.5mill and a UFA at the end of this season) for GIRARDI (RHS $5.5MILL for 4 more yrs after this one) & STEPAN (RHS $6.5mill for 5 more after this season with the NMC or NTC kicking in at seasons end)...... So, SHATTENKIRK & BACKES for GIRARDI & STEPAN..... That's $12mill going their way and $8.75milll coming our way.. They're Cap-Strapped, so we need to take on some salary, and I think we may need to add another player from each team so that we take on some additional salary but we need some talent coming back our way..... How about JADEN SCHWARTZ & JESPER FAST and we eat $500K of Girardi's salary???? WALLSTER'S some input & critique please... May The Schwartz be with you !.....

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 11:25 pm EST

I am going to my first game of the season on Friday night in Raleigh......I didn't want to have a bad taste in my mouth so I am super happy for tonight's win.......

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 19 2016 11:17 pm EST

Huge points.....Miller definitely playing well as is Kreider....Hayes, not convinced. Boyle needs to sit and Yandle traded along with Stepan. And Megna continues to show that he needs to be in the AHL. Nash, well he's getting chances and Zuuuuuk finally got his head out of his ass. Like our 3rd and 4th lines......they are what they are supposed to be. McD continues to show flashes of brilliance whereas Girardi and Stall continue to look slow and not up to form. Still a Playoff Bubble Team.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jan 19 2016 11:04 pm EST

stevielegs....i am getting somewhat pissed off that MSG keeps running that 1994 CUP like that should act as some kind of pacifier for the fan base...21 years and counting. What a disgrace. I for one refuse to watch.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jan 19 2016 10:44 pm EST

Msg defining moments 1994.. If that didn't happen and getting to feel that, I doubt I'd be here posting as a nyr fan...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 10:05 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-blues-seeking-hockey-trade-for-shattenkirk/

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:59 pm EST

Sporty: absof_c_inglutely......

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:52 pm EST

Miller on Miller 3rd star and 2nd star... I'm confused ...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:47 pm EST

E - The effort, speed and heart was their...but, yeah, they still don't drive the net except for a few polayer..It's the typev of player they need..And I'd trade the loafer Hayes in a second to try and bring that home

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:47 pm EST

Leads score with 7.5 seconds left to beat Philly

rangerlou


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:45 pm EST

WTF was McDonut panting for after Miller scored the goal? lol he looked like a miniature dog after walking a half-mile

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:45 pm EST

Clutch also!!!!

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:43 pm EST

Hot Damn!!! JT MILLER!! Cluth baby...A game they deserved to win but a game that could have driven a stake through their hearts!! I know it was the Canucks, but they finally looked like the Rangers,,,,,Including Nash's lazy backcheck on the first goal!

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:42 pm EST

It's Miller time...that was bad, I know..and the beer sucks too..but I just had to, couldnt help myself.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:41 pm EST

MF --- should we toast a Miller to that?

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:41 pm EST

JT FU@KING MILLER

rangerlou


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:39 pm EST

JT Miller!!!!!! What progression this kid has made. It is crazy to see how well he is playing right now. All over the ice all night, throwing his body around like a real hockey player. Trade the rest of the figure skaters on this team and lets get some more guys who actually want to be here! LGR!!!!

sportyplaya1188


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:39 pm EST

It takes a Miller to beat a Miller,,,,,,

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:39 pm EST

Give that boy a cigar !

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:38 pm EST

JT Milller !!! Trade Stepan !!!

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:35 pm EST

and our big money player again does NOT score the big money goal... Can we trade him yet?

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:34 pm EST

TradeStar: you pregnant?

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:29 pm EST

46 sog and we scored 2? Against Miller? The Canucks? Ok

WIOSA


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:25 pm EST

I have a craving for a cheesecake from the Whistle Stop bakery on Lawson Blvd.

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:23 pm EST

Next time....hit the dumb ref with the puck in the head to wake him up......Nucks should have been called for 3 penalties this period

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:19 pm EST

YANDLE with a great pass on that goal

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:19 pm EST

Open the fuckin flood gates!!

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:18 pm EST

This game is all Miller and the goalposts. I cannot believe that the New York Rangers cannot threaten offensively enough to beat this team. VAN is atrocious. But for all the shots the New York Rangers have fired I'm not seeing enough 2nd effort shots. They continue to show lack of skill plays. Doing lots of things well but just a horrible inability to score.

E


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:10 pm EST

Zebra down

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 9:10 pm EST

Well, the Rangers showed a higher gear on that shift.... very punny

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 8:51 pm EST

SLegs: I studied hard to get into the CJC, please don't down-play it. I think I got the bonus question right... It went something like this; If you want to waste time and be stressed out while you do it, what should you do? I answered, be a NY Ranger fan..... ;-)

mf


Tue Jan 19 2016 8:36 pm EST

Wouldn't it be amusing to see EE develop in Vancouver??? Might lure back TD!!!

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 8:24 pm EST

YEAH HHHHHH Etem.Oh wait a second. He got traded to the other team.

rangerlou


Tue Jan 19 2016 8:11 pm EST

Sweet Baby Jesus. ..Range GOOOOOOOAAAAALLL

rangerlou


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:47 pm EST

What the hell is Boyle chasing a player two strides ahead of him around the net for ? So sick of BS defensive zone coverage. .. No Wrath... What a joke !

stepunmytoe


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:43 pm EST

17 Shots on goal. And NOTHING to show for it.

rangerlou


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:43 pm EST

sucks they scored but on the bright side their skating it out as a unit. What happened to Mcdonaugh so weak on the puck now.

barto


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:37 pm EST

3 minutes to go in the 1st and Rick Nash has the least amount of icetime. Is AV waking up??

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:35 pm EST

The hot goalie story line ... Guess Boyle and girardi don't need any rest... Maybe brassard can sneeze on them...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:32 pm EST

Im so biased against Kreider but did anyone see him trying to handle that puck? Geesh this team tires me...fries my brain....OLA, how bout I send you the money, you buy the car, drive it around and ship it to me used? LOL. My firsr car was a Volvo, it was in the 70s a tank and a trunk big enough to fit a dead body.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:25 pm EST

The NF Rangers..NO FINISH

DOUBLEN


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:24 pm EST

All us and they SCORE.Sound familiar folks?

rangerlou


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:22 pm EST

Joy.

WIOSA


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:18 pm EST

I see McI is pressboxed again. Good thing AV is sticking with what's working. Lord knows the risk of shaking things up a little when the ship is sailing in the right direction.

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:14 pm EST

stevie: Totally agree. Think about the last few moves/decisions Sather made - MSL, Yandle and a bunch of fat, lucrative contracts. Gawd, his swansong is gonna equal the putridity of his opening acts with the Rangers. Incredible.

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:55 pm EST

rf4l sather has a lifetime contract, so he gives contracts with ntc nmc...what does he care...fishboy is left holding the fish bag.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:41 pm EST

pa.ranger: That's what you get when you continually trade away draft picks, especially high ones. Dumb. With all the NMC contracts Sather handed out, Gorton's hands aren't just under his ass, they are tied. Dunno what the bottom will be. I just hope the team can figure things out in the next 2 months, although I'm not holding my breath.

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:38 pm EST

Geeesh....who didn't Sather give those clauses to???

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:35 pm EST

RF4L -- can't make their leading scorer trade bait....he has a one-year NTC in effect

JFC31


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:35 pm EST

Hospo Larry can pose as a fan...I've heard worse for some.....he reads this place, so he qualifies....cjc......not hard to join....“Everybody wants ta get inta da act".....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:26 pm EST

pa.rangersfan - Good stuff...The problem is, other then Girardi (NMC), the team really doesn't have "aging vets"...But I'm with you about the trades..but, like always, I want the better players as well as the younger ones...Flat out, this team needs a different mix up front...

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:20 pm EST

Sorry for the late post folks, saw the Pack on Saturday nite against the Flys farm unit in lovely Allentown, PA. To piggyback on an earlier post on Skej. Yes, the kid can fly but he appeared in-decisive in the D-zone to me, the most talented kid on a hard working Team with NO standout player in my view. Tambellini stood out offensively along with Hrvik but both don't make one say "damn, that kid is the real deal," which is exactly what KIS and myself said last season when we saw Big Mac and Lindberg. The cupboard is bare folks, at least from what I saw. Gorton needs to make a serious attempt to move some of the aging vets at this point because there may be darker days ahead.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:03 pm EST

Will be interesting to see how MZA plays - he's been horrible lately and IMO, should be tradebait.

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:01 pm EST

STEVIE - nah, we're fans, we got the right to say whatever we want!

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 5:38 pm EST

time for fishboy to fly to Russia and get that kid signed away from them...he's doing zippo here...maybe that's a good thing.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 5:37 pm EST

Hospo are you saying mfred is full of it too ?...lol.....$100 .....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 5:31 pm EST

I said Nash with Hayes, I might even try switching mza with kid k......glad veenknow reads my posts....might be one of the few...lol...3 hats green line generator.....no batteries necessary.....solar powered..... let the sunshine in...already.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 5:30 pm EST

E: I believe that there are the KHL playoffs and then, if Buch gets picked for the Russia WC team, he is out of the NHL for this year. Rumors are that St. Petes is trying to sign him to an extension. If that happens..........Rangers might not see him for quite awhile.

Bob


Tue Jan 19 2016 5:12 pm EST

Trade: No way. Absolutely not. The Leafs are rebuilding and would have no use for a pending UFA. At least not straight up. If Yandle is headed to TO it's a 3 way deal and the Leafs flip him for a first (or a solid prospect). And it'll be Yandle and someone like Miller for JVR. JVR is out for another 4 to 6 weeks with a broken foot so he wouldn't help the Rangers and it'll take a while to get in game shape to boot. Also, when he got hurt he was leading the Leafs in scoring, is signed to a decent contract ($4,200,000) for 2 more years after this and is still young. He'd cost the Rangers something like Miller and a 1st. if not more.

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 3:21 pm EST

The TSN radio twitter account was hacked and someone posted that JVR was traded to the NYR's and more details to follow.......It was untrue...........My question is this......Would a trade of Yandle to the Leafs be enough for the Leafs? And how much more would the Leafs want for him? And lastly, is JVR a good match here in NYC? Thanx

TradeStar28


Tue Jan 19 2016 3:03 pm EST

If you want to feel a little better today, find Brady Skjei's OT goal for the Wolfpack last night on youtube (I'd link to it by my computer at work is restricted from youtube). Looks like his skates had turbo boost functionality.

pete


Tue Jan 19 2016 2:56 pm EST

Team needs a retool. I would move KY for a forward and let the Mac play a regular shift can't be worse than what we have now. I like Step but in MHO he's not worth what their gonna pay him for the next five years and the NMC. Another dumb contract with a NMC.

barto


Tue Jan 19 2016 2:56 pm EST

That article by Brooks is a crock of shit..Ok, he is right about many of the obvious things (AV having a bad year, Girardi off his game, the PP, poor forward depth), but it seems like an article written by a spiteful brat who holds a grudge and so badly wants what he's writing to happen.....Everybody in creation knows the team is struggling a bit and has been a .500 team for awhile and, if it keeps up, will have a challenge making the POs...But to say a team with the heart and individual talent of the Rangers is dead or done at this stage is just grandstanding and hoping,...I also think the guy has zero comprehension of how the deficiecies of the forwards both ways impacts the D men.....And also how one or two changes in the lineup can have a huge effect everywhere..The question is whether Gorton makes those changes

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 2:49 pm EST

JFC31 - right on...it shouldn't be too hard for LB to maybe obliquely credit any idea he noticed here first by tossing an appropriate Pink Floyd quote into the same article. Quite easy, in fact, during any of these 'downer' stretches of play!

LeoS


Tue Jan 19 2016 2:44 pm EST

Do I remember this right: twice now against Washington and once against Montreal the pretty unbeatable starter has left the game (injury or kreiderphobia) and we've basically allowed the backup to come in and barely break a sweat while shutting us down the rest of the way? That some killer instinct.

LeoS


Tue Jan 19 2016 2:00 pm EST

Question for those in the know. I remember Buch got traded in the KHL to St. Petersburg poised to go deep in the playoffs. Did he make an additional commitment to the KHL or is he eligible to sign an offer from the New York Rangers and report before seasons out. I know he is NHL ready and obviously the team could use another top-6 wing if he could swing it.

E


Tue Jan 19 2016 1:57 pm EST

LB finally used my material to write his column today. http://nypost.com/2016/01/18/the-rangers-are-done/

MelvilleFred


Tue Jan 19 2016 1:02 pm EST

I think we will win a Cup this year. Just as long as Gorton don't do any stupid.

Ola


Tue Jan 19 2016 12:57 pm EST

Always said that to get anything out of HAYES, he needs to play with offensively skilled players consistently..Looks like he'll get the chance tonight...MZA-Hayes-Nash; Krieder-Step-Miller; the Swedes; and Moore-Glass-Megma......."With Brassard unavailable this morning, Vigneault shook up his forward line combinations. Kevin Hayes took his spot between Zuccarello and Nash, while Derek Stepan centered Chris Kreider and Miller. The third line featured the all Swedish threesome of Viktor Stalberg, Oscar Lindberg and Jesper Fast; and the fourth line consisted of Tanner Glass-Dominic Moore and Jayson Megna"

Hospo


Tue Jan 19 2016 12:26 pm EST

BRASSARD out "sick" tonight. Maybe it was AV who was sick of seeing BRASSARD on the ice.....

Vic


Tue Jan 19 2016 11:19 am EST

So Brooks doesn't like AV's lack of sound bytes? I guess he cannot write anything of substance because of it. Instead just be a flamboyant speculator. If I were AV I'd say less to Brooks then any other person in the press. LB's insight has literally not been anymore value then toilet paper in a long time. Just about nothing he writes comes true. Where is Keith Tkachuk? Where is Mike Peca? Or the 1500 other great players he wrote full pages on that were about to become NYRs? Almost nothing he writes has an inside scoop that his fellow writers have. It's only that he can take the smallest innuendo and turn it into a column of fluff. And that he can take away from this wall.

E


Tue Jan 19 2016 10:18 am EST

Nice to see Larry Brooks still reads The Wall but he should at least give us a little credit for his story lines.

JFC31


Tue Jan 19 2016 8:08 am EST

mf: You look at stats only too much perhaps. Trust me - Kessel would become a wall whipping boy, probably, given his salary, worse than anyone before. He's pure skill but pure about himself. His salary is a killer...

RF4L


Tue Jan 19 2016 7:51 am EST

45 games.... 24-16-5 ...home 16-5- 2 ....away 8-11-3....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:55 am EST

HOME COOKING The Rangers have posted a 15-4-1 record in their last 20 home games. The Blueshirts have earned at least one point in 17 of their last 21 home games (15-4-2) and in 18 of 23 home games in 2015-16 (16-5-2). Dating back to last season, the Blueshirts have earned at least one point in 48 of their last 62 home contests (41-14-7), including 31 of their last 40 home games (27-9-4). The Rangers are tied for third in the NHL in points (34) and rank fourth in the NHL in wins (16) at home this season. The Blueshirts also rank third in the NHL in goals per game (3.22; 74 goals in 23 games) and lead the NHL in shooting percentage (11.9; 74 goals on 620 shots on goal) at home this season. SMOOTH SAILING ON THE PACIFIC The Blueshirts have posted a 6-2-1 record against Pacific Division opponents in 2015-16, including a 5-0-0 record against Pacific Division opponents at MSG. The Rangers have also posted a 17-4-2 record against Pacific Division opponents since the start of last season. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/19/canucks-at-rangers-tonight-7-p-m-pre-game-notes/#sthash.JUam60YI.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:44 am EST

think hank was talking to elf about this?..."Opponents who go to the front are left with the time and space to lay down a blanket and a picnic spread without fear of being disturbed. There’s no price to pay..."....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:17 am EST

lb I agree , but you know that already..."..OK, Staal and Girardi have been issues. But Ryan McDonagh has been equally faulty in net-front coverage, as have the defensively deficient Keith Yandle and Dan Boyle. Opponents who go to the front are left with the time and space to lay down a blanket and a picnic spread without fear of being disturbed. There’s no price to pay, except on those occasions Dylan McIlrath gets a chance. Again: At the minimum, McIlrath should be part of a right-side rotation with Girardi and Boyle, while given a legitimate opportunity to nail down a regular spot even if it comes at the expense of one of the veterans. "

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 6:15 am EST

"Vigneault is less communicative than any coach I have ever covered on a daily basis. He explains nothing. You rarely know what he’s thinking. He is practiced at side-stepping direct questions about the lineup; combinations; players’ minutes and assignments; and player evaluation. He basically speaks in a canned two-answers-fit-all loop. Doesn’t make Vigneault a bad guy — he is far from that — but you know almost nothing more about the team after talking with him than beforehand. So you’re left grasping for answers, much like the Rangers are grasping for solutions. ..............The Rangers look slow. They look unsettled. They don’t look like a well-coached team. They look like a playoff-bubble team that will need Henrik Lundqvist to be at the height of his powers every night in order to have a chance to qualify for the playoffs. The run to the Cup final? The charge to the Presidents’ Trophy? Zed’s dead, baby; Zed’s dead. ".............http://nypost.com/2016/01/18/the-rangers-are-done/

stevielegs


Tue Jan 19 2016 2:46 am EST

RF: sadly like all of us I'm very cognizant of the shortfall that is winning the SC. But, I'm not looking to try to explain their "fatigue induced sputtering momentum" as a reflection of that. The New York Rangers just have nothing to show for their impressive run of postseason success. That's the sad part. They've been so damn good but just not quite good enough in those key games. It's a nauseating experience.

E


Tue Jan 19 2016 1:06 am EST

Wiosa- Get a Volvo!

Ola


Tue Jan 19 2016 12:19 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/linesman-punches-player-trainer-tackles-linesman-after-junior-a-fight-gets-out-of-hand/

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:56 pm EST

And for those into name calling and labels, ULF will be referred to as, "ELF" and or "FLU" or, "The FLU" or "The ELF", or perhaps, "The Flew"

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:54 pm EST

SLegs, Yupp, I'm a Mutt! anywho, who knows whats up with coach Vishysoisse? Nash/Lindberg/Hayes with Lindberg taking the FO's & let Hayes play center...... We need to find a good trade for this team... and the coach needs to re-establish chemistry.. Like Hospo alluded to earlier, it starts with pairs of players, then add the 3rd guy on the line and hope for the best.... I think that's a good place to start re-evaluating....

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:46 pm EST

Forget about DRAISAITL: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/oilers-ryan-nugent-hopkins-out-long-term-with-hand-injury-after-blocking-shot/ .............. It’s a disaster for the Oilers on multiple levels. First of all, rookie Connor McDavid remains sidelined until after the all-star break recovering from his broken collarbone. The Oil are now without their top two pivots for an extended period of time. Leon Draisaitl moved to center in McDavid’s absence and will be counted on even more until one of McDavid or ‘The Nuge’ returns. Worse yet for the Oil, Nugent-Hopkins’ injury may scupper trade plans. We know GM Peter Chiarelli offered ‘The Nuge’ to the Nashville Predators in an attempt to get Seth Jones before the Preds dealt Jones to Columbus for Ryan Johansen. Nugent-Hopkins was on the block. McDavid and Draisaitl are the future at center in Edmonton, so Chiarelli is smart to deal from a position of strength. Alas, a Nugent-Hopkins trade may have to wait until the off-season, depending on the official injury diagnosis. The NHL trade deadline is Feb. 29.

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:45 pm EST

Moof you're a Heinz ? ... So why hasn't coach Veenknow tried Nash with another center other than stepan or brassard ? Alias Hayes or cheesy maybe even Moore . His line generator needs an update. Put names in 3 hats center left wing right wing .... Nor has he put Hayes and kid k together , ignoring the fact that they played together in college. Hayes had chemistry with hagelin. Fishboy missed that little fact. He needs a wingman to replace hagelin. ... Shakeup the offense out of the coach's box .... Maybe they will go on a winning streak and win 2 in a row or 3 in fantasyland ....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:42 pm EST

It's a friggin dilemma of a situation because we need legitimate top 6 if not a top 3 talent. This would push guys down or over a notch into positions more suitable for their abilities... Trading for better bottom 6 players may improve the bottom 6, but it's not going to push the talent up to the 1st or 2nd line because the talent's just not there..... fustercluck

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:33 pm EST

MF - I know you are the Grand Poobah of Trades....but, honestly, NMC/NTCs are often taken care of with just a little money...I think any of the three could be moved if the Rangers wanted to move them....I'm not a huge Step fan, but he's the best two way player of the three..I'd deal one of the other two if I could..but wouldn't cry if step was dealt

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:28 pm EST

Stepan's nmc or ntc kicks in sometime at the end of the season. Then he's due $6.5mill for the next five seasons. The guy turns 26 in June so he's in and or approaching his prime years, "thus," ;-) he should fetch a pretty good return on his own or packaged with another Ranger........ Brassard at $5mill per with no nmc/ntc could theoretically be moved at a later date if need be...

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:18 pm EST

MF - Not me, Hayes will need alot more than a winger...He'll need the entore Wizard of Oz trifecta..OK, I'm being too hard on him..He will grow and learn, has the potential to really be so,ething....Steapn, OTOH, is the best two way player on the team..But, honestly, I would trade any one of step, Brass or Hayes for a different type of palyer

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:18 pm EST

RF: not as much as you & Mrs.RF.... And, how good a team have the Leafs been the last 6.5 years that he's been on that team? Was he expected to carry the load? The Hockey News shows a career avg of .77 points per game mostly on that ALL-STAR-SQUAD aka: The LAFFS.... (So what's your point?).. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4976

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:14 pm EST

me and my 57 personalities, silly

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:14 pm EST

mf: Methinks you're avoiding my question: How much Kessel hockey have you watched over the last few years???

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:13 pm EST

Can't help but to consider that Hayes is our future big boy 1st line center. He's going to need a sniper and or a finisher that goes to the crease on his line though... Absent a legit 1st line center, got to consider holding on to this kid and trading someone else, maybe "STEPAN"

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:10 pm EST

Ooops, I WAS counting on big things from Kid K!

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:09 pm EST

MF - Who's the WE in "We wer counting on yadda yadda yadda.."? :)..Personally, I wasn't counting on significant things from KREIDER ( I was wrong) but not really the others..Even at the beginning of the season with the loss of Hags and MSL, there was a hige hole

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:06 pm EST

The Drop off in point production of Nash -12 points, Brassard -4 points, Stepan -20 points for a total of 36 points on top of losing the 87 points of production of MSL/HAGS..... Our GAA will need to be below 2, substantially below 2 to go anywhere........ jmon

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:03 pm EST

I don't think it's necessarily time to rebuild, but I do think it's time for the Rangers to retool. I've been thinking a lot about a trading partner and it seems to me that the Dallas Stars would be a fit. They are looking to shore up their defense and potentially add another weapon up front. So, if the Rangers could get Marc Staal to waive his No-Trade, I think I would offer them Staal and Kreider for Valerie Nichushkin, Patrik Nemeth, and a pick. The next logical move would be Yandle. If they could use him to bring in a player like Drouin, great. They should include Hayes in that offer if necessary. If that doesn't work out, I'd move Yandle for prospects/picks. I think that the Rangers also need to add more legitimate third line players. Their current bottom six with the exception of Lindberg (maybe) is comprise of fourth line players, some of them marginal fourth liners: Stalberg, Moore, Glass, Fast. I'd like to see this team start the 2016-17 season: Miller-Stepan-Nash, Nichushkin-Brassard-Zuccarello, Buchnevich-Lindberg-Drouin, Whomever-Whoever-Fast. McDonagh-Klein, Skjei-Girardi, Nemeth-McIlrath. Ehh... Just a frustrated NYR fan!

evets1980


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:59 pm EST

Read The Wall today, great stuff everybody, thank you..... I'm a little late to the party but will add that MSL had the following #'s: 74 gp/21 g/31 a/ 52 points. HAGS:82 gp/ 17 g/ 18a/ 35 points.... We were obviously counting on Kreider/Miller/Hayes & Fast to pick up some of the slack (and I believe each of them are behind compared to last seasons production, while the other producing parties held their production levels... Well, NASH had 69 points last yr, he's on pace for 57... Stepan had 55 points last year, HE'S ON PACE FOR 35 POINTS! ....Brassard scored 60 points last year, he's on pace for 56 points.... Zuccarello 49 points last year is ahead and on pace to score 60 points..... For all those screaming for Hagelin, he's on pace to score 23 points, let's see how a new change of scenery affects his production.... AND BTW Phil Kessel is on pace for a 49 point season, I'd welcome him with open arms.....

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:44 pm EST

Hospo: Mmmm...suspect if Hayes goes, it'll be Drouin coming back...

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:42 pm EST

RF4L -Hey, I want the BETTER player, not the younger player..But if I traded Hayes, I would want a different type of young player in return

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:39 pm EST

5 2 Blues. Pittsburgh looked terrible. LOL...

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:37 pm EST

Hospo: But trading Hayes now is more coughing up the future. Not saying you're right or wrong (because it's not black and white) but what the snot is Gorton thinking? We've no idea - it will be interesting to see his next move....

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:35 pm EST

Kessel BTW, with a real nice goalmouth pass to Hags - nice save by Ellliot. Kessel is a nob but geesh, he's a talented hockey player.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:32 pm EST

RF4L - Two player combos can mean alot...I look at the Rangers and, yeah, I HATE the way Kevin Hayes plays the game, I hate his soft pansy bullshit and I woukd trade his lazy ass in a New York second.....BUT..I also know the kid has a hell of alot of offensive talent...Look how dangerous he was with the puck last year...Almsot every game he did something spectacular (and boneheaded also!)...This entire year, AV hasn't found anybody to play with Hayes or visa versa..There has got to be somebody he can click with, right? if not, he needs to be dealt for somebody that is a better fit for the team..or you trade for somebody that can play with Hayes (not the way I would go)...I know the answer is not two guys like Linbegerger and Quickie who's best attributes right now are that they are smart players who know how to play the game and are usually in the right position..But can't say I know h=who on the Rangers would be best..MZA? Nash? Ptetty hard to have a 3rd line otherwise

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:28 pm EST

mf: How much Kessel hockey have you really watched over the years?

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:26 pm EST

Yep, huge if. Watching some of the 3rd period Pitt/StL and Blues up 3 2. The hockey is HORRID. Check check check (to the point where for a good 10 seconds the puck was being hacked by swinging sticks in a 6 diameter circle) and so little real skating. Thank you Gary Buttphuck....gawd that man sickens me.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:26 pm EST

RF: you got that right! Shitzburg just got a whole lot faster with the addition of Hags. Now Kessel doesn't need to be the "lone" speedster... Kind of like last season when we picked up James Sheppard, all of a sudden Tanner Glass had someone to ride shotgun in the body-check department...... I wanted us to sign KESSEL in the offseason. Folks here were saying, "no, he's fat, he's pudgy, BFD!" the is probably barrel-chested, it's just the way he's built, he's still fast as heck, a RHS RW, 1st line talent, and the Stinkin Leafs are eating part of his salary... He is, and would have been the perfect distraction away from NASH..... jmnshcjco naturally.. ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:18 pm EST

Pitts has Hagelin with Kessel. If that clicks, Hags will get points. Lots of them. Huge if, though....

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:17 pm EST

Didn't = different

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:16 pm EST

E: You've brought that LA argument before and I don't disagree it's got merit. One thing that perhaps you're overlooking. LA has won a cup - the Rangers haven't. Didn't mindsets and pressures and all that.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:10 pm EST

WIOSA - AH, I get it...Have ahd a NISSAN ROGUE for the alst 6 years..been a great car/crossover

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 9:55 pm EST

MF...the Beatles!! Lol, forgot that song......STEVIE, that was a freudian slip..Ragners, it does fit!.....HOSPO, yesterday inbetween periods I said I was looking for a new car, asked what everyone else is driving, said no Beemers, Mercedes or Lexus' please, cant afford them. Well I could afford one of them, but would have to live in it and die it in it and be cremated in it.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 18 2016 9:38 pm EST

“What, I played 19 games there? In 19 games you have to do more, not only offensive production,” Etem said. “It started right from preseason. I didn’t have great production. I was inconsistent [in] just overall play. I think it just bled to the regular season, then you’re trying to play catch-up. That’s what happened.” In trying to explain the zero goals and three assists during his span with the Blueshirts, along with the inability to make a difference in the game away from the puck, Etem pointed to a couple other areas where he thinks the experiment failed. “Sometimes it’s just not a good fit,” he said. “Whether it’s they had me with a lot of guys with similar attributes that just were playing better than me, that might be one thing. Or maybe they just didn’t know how to use me in a way. To be honest, it didn’t work out for probably a couple different reasons. It’s something that I’m not too worried about here.”

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 8:31 pm EST

Mind you I'm not married to AV but I do believe in continuity. I think good teams with good coaches benefit from this. For example, the Los Angeles Kings were under huge pressure to dump Sutter after last seasons debacle. There were the reports that the team hated him, and that they even blocked the door so he couldn't get into the locker room. One season later? All is good. Now, there has been those who think that he lost the team, won't adapt his style, can't coach this group back in from the wilderness. They are now +.500 over the last ten, played some competitive hockey and are padded for safety by the mirage that was an awesome shot out of the gate. So, I just don't see the need just yet. I don't think another coach is gonna get more out of this group. And no one has yet made enough of a compelling argument that AV has lost his team and they are done playing for him. I'm trying to live in the netherworld between +/-. They haven't really given me a reason to feel positive, but they given me enough pause that I'm standing with the matchbook and kerosine next to the tires. I reiterate, it may not come but this team needs goals. It doesn't have the horse on its own. easier said then done. But I'm not gonna let you guys piss in my Cheerios. The box is empty, there isn't much milk left and I wanna eat it. Because tequila and Cheerios sounds kind gross.

E


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:09 pm EST

BTW, I guess the Canucks are different sans AV - did anyone see what the Canucks did after one of their stars was gooned and knocked out of the game? They went after Tavares. If they had that mentality when they were in the final ,they probably would have won.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:07 pm EST

E: I don't agree at all. This team isn't that much different from last year but totally under performing to the point where some are horrible. Yet AV keeps putting them out there. The players are slow to adjust but so is he. And did you see what happened in Vancouver? Very similar to what we are seeing this year. The team was basically the same over the course of a few years, one year that included a cup final. Just like here, the players - the veterans - stopped playing effectively.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:00 pm EST

WIOSA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7qNlocNIf8

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 6:42 pm EST

nyr theme song ' take it easy' ....' when hell freezes over'.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 6:21 pm EST

VIC - Yeah, things and times change...I'm glad for you, that you can take enjoyment out of that stuff..Most of it does nothing for me...The games I love best are when other teams go after the Rangers physically..I get to see hitting, but it's also when the Ranger used to rise to the occasion (the last two years) with both team toughness and hockey...Unfortunately, there aren't many teams left in the east that go after teams physically...All about speed and avoiding contact...And most of the hitting.is done the chickenshit way, when they hope the other guy isn;t looking.

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 6:19 pm EST

Wow! I just saw the news on GLENN FREY. That sucks. Always loved the Eagles. 2016 has been tough on Rock Stars of the 70s so far.

Vic


Mon Jan 18 2016 6:15 pm EST

Most of us grew up watching a more physical brand of hockey, myself included. I loved the way the game was in the 80s more then the 70s, though. As for the Rangers, I have to say that I would much prefer them to be a more physical team. HOWEVER, when they are playing their best hockey they are pretty entertaining to me. I love watching them swarm all over opponents. I love to see crisp passing and beautiful plays being made at incredibly high speeds. I respect that skill and execution level and enjoy watching it. But I would always want to see it done with a more physical edge. I miss the open ice hits. I miss the abrasive play.....the guys you wanted to kill when the Rangers played them but you would have loved them if they were wearing a Ranger jersey. And I miss the fighting. Not the goon on goon stuff. The fights between guys who just didn't like each other much. But those days are gone and they aren't coming back. Times have changed. Society has changed. Stuff that used to go on back in the day would never be tolerated now. When anything even remotely a fraction of that stuff happens now we see people clamoring for players to be arrested or sued. It is ridiculous now.

Vic


Mon Jan 18 2016 6:13 pm EST

Piper was th Bomb! "Just when they think they have all the answers, I change the questions".....Don't know about the Animal, but i Hope Johnny RODZ is still alive!..him and Mike Sharpe were the two best jobbers in Wrestling history..Sharpe..Canada's #1 Athelete..:)

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 6:08 pm EST

Is George "The Animal" Steele still living? I am still mourning Rowdy Roddy Piper.

Bob


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:56 pm EST

Glen Frey? AND Iron Mike SHARPE? wow

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:46 pm EST

Ratner's was a famous Jewish kosher dairy (milkhik) restaurant on the Lower East Side of New York City. Since it did not serve meat in deference to the kosher rule about not mixing milk and meat products, it was often regarded as a complement to Katz's Deli

mf


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:46 pm EST

docjay/PJ - Totally agree.....but it's so damn hard to give them up! Ity's in our blood....WIOSA - I think I agree with you, but you lost me a bit on the first line..Hell, I drive a 1997 Chrysler LHS Godfather mobile

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:43 pm EST

Glenn Frey too? Damn. I am getting old.

Bob


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:32 pm EST

Agree on this team not being entertaining.....Hard for me to watch and I can honestly say I have never felt this way and I am 57 years old.....Thought it was just me....Losing is one thing but this team is like watching paint dry....Depressing to be honest.....

PJ


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:26 pm EST

Ragners...new name fits....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:19 pm EST

hospo- although winning is the goal, i also believe that putting on a shiw and entertaining the fans should be a part of the equation . after all why would we spend 100 dollars to go to a game . yes winning is the desired outcome , but as a fan i want to be entertained and in recent years, as you pointed out, the rangers even when they were winning, were not entertaining . and althogh toughness is a big part of being an entertaining team it also relates to the individuality of the players and their dynamic skills . for example the montreal canadiens of the early 60's( pre john ferguson, post maurice ruchard) were not a phusicaly tough team, thats why the leafs won 3 cups from 61-64 , howevere they were extremely entertaining in the style they played andthe players individual skill sets

docjay


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:14 pm EST

...so I take it you all drive Mercedes, Beemers and Lexus, so From the Poor Side of Town..I miss the rooting for the Ragners, I miss watching them win and feeling okay, we're on the road again. This team doesnt really offer any hope of getting better. I said all year that we only needed the one top six forwrd, one that would be enough threat to take the onus off Nash and his line (whatever line he's on this hour). Well, if we do get him, he's got to be good on the PK, and he has to be a power forward who will crash the net, produce at least 25 goals per. Fast skater, decent defensive abiliites and be good on the PP since we know where losing Keith. Oh, yeah, he cant want more than 2 million per as we cant afford more. So, who's out there? Depressing.

WIOSA


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:14 pm EST

docjay - The only current rangers you could add to that list are, unfortunately, Tanner Glass and Mcilrath....Everybody else is too physically inconsistent, soft or just "workman like"

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:10 pm EST

docjay - with you 150%..part of it is the physically neutered NHL and part of it is the methodical, turn the other cheek way the Rangers have played the game under AV..They are a bore to watch...I long ago gave into the fact that they werem't my type of team but, as long as they were good at what they did, they could be watchable..I'm not so sure anymore because even "rivalary" games with teams like the FLyers, Devils, Bruins etc.. hold litttle passion and excitement..

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:07 pm EST

lou fontinato, reggie fleming , tie domi, nick fotiu, rod gilbert, reijo routsalainin, barry beck, rick middleton, mark messier, steve vickers, brad park, don maloney, andy bathgate , vic hadfield, orland kurtanbach, eddie johnstone, esa tikkanin, craig mc tavish, pete stemkowski. just a few examples of players who you didnt need to see their name or numbar on their jersey to know they were on the ice . dont see too many like these on the current roster.

docjay


Mon Jan 18 2016 4:53 pm EST

they are not playing 60 minutes of good hockey that they show they can play like in spurts. what the reasons are is for fishboy to figure out with his coach and his brain rust, including the genius. what they seem to be doing is just being patient. Obviously there is something wrong when they can't win 2 in a row for 2 months. and the d and goalies are a part of it. opponents come into the zone at will, and set up wherever they want to. and so far the nyr don't have the answers.....this sure isn't a case of haste makes waste.....more like watching grass grow or paint dry.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 4:47 pm EST

besides being a mediocre team ( middle of the pack). a bigger concern of mine is how boring this collection of players is, as a long time ranger fan i have rarely been so emotionally detached from the outcome of games. thats mainly on AV and who he choises to play( no mcilrath except if backed into a corner) and no team identity or toughness . this is not the kind of hockey i grew up with . nor is it the kind of hockey that made me a ranger fan in the early to mid 60's even when the team was a perrenial also ran in a 6 team league. this curent edition , win or lose, just doesnt entertain me . maybe its the evolution of the nhl in general but i think a large part is the current collection of players and also how AV supresses whatever individuality they have

docjay


Mon Jan 18 2016 4:39 pm EST

E - Again, I disagree with you on AV..while I do agree that Sather/Gorton screwed the pooch this off-season and the Rangers lost ground to most teams, I don't think he's done a good job in dealing with what he has and getting the max out of players THIS YEAR (past means nothing)...On the latter, he has failed almost to the man (except Lindberger and Miller lately) making it too universal for him not being at least partially responsible...And if you have a team where it's obvious that it has offensive shortcomings and you still have 7 solid D-men and The KIng, doesn't it makes sense to win with defense and make the forwards play a defense first game?....I haven't seen that from AV or the forwards for the most part, I see him coaching the same that he did the past few years with little adjustment,..Maybe he's just waiting for reinforcements and it will eventually work after a few trades, but sure seems like the stubborn, lazy way to me..

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 4:31 pm EST

AV is a decent coach, not quenville or Babcock, or sutter. But he doesn't have those horses either. Sather is the reason...Trottier, Lowe, then came the CAP he had to stop spending like Neil Smith lol lol. What does Smith have a CUP....without the jockstrap.

vcp1994


Mon Jan 18 2016 4:18 pm EST

RF: I also do not understand the Logic behind firing AV at this stage. Frankly, I don't think he is the problem. For the most part he has maneuvered the team every time they've slumped right back into tight and for the most part competent hockey. But I don't believe he is playing with a full deck. I also don't think he can do much structurally for example, when Hayes craps the bed. Mistakes will happen. I accept that but what I see is a team that can threaten only. They pounded the Caps for part of that game yet couldn't get a goal. They couldn't get a goal against the NYI. I don't have anything more then the eye test on this one but it seems outside of a few games as of late counting on more then 2-goals seems like a monumental undertaking.

E


Mon Jan 18 2016 3:50 pm EST

Hospo who's stats are those? ..gabby hayes ? .... I'm losing interest by the day. maybe that's the new/old nyr fan treatment....give us your money, see you next year.....girardi is frustrated...lol ....what does he think the fans are ?. besides bored and aggravated ....refund!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......FIRE SATHER.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 3:36 pm EST

STEVIE - Who knows? But I'll tell you that any player who has 1G in his last 21 games, averages less than 1 hit per game, 1 block every 3 games and as a center can't take FOs and as a winger can't cycle or play along the boards is a good candidate if you wanna sit someone....

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 3:03 pm EST

did he get to sit with the moms?...who's veenyo's next scratch?...moof don't say it......Jayson Megna ✔ @Jayson_Megna It's a special feeling to share this with someone who has sacrificed so much to help me get here. Love you Mom! pic.twitter.com/9OFDwsHgEk

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 1:26 pm EST

JFC - The physical problem may be that they are just not physically strong anywhere in the lineup..What i also think is important is that they also don't seem mentally strong or smart, they make way too many idiotic mistakes and they make too many selfish plays...which is why they can play good for awhile but then just lose it...

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 1:16 pm EST

Here's another BIG difference with this year's squad: we faced a Caps team that had played the night before and got back late afterwards. We played at 1 in the afternoon. In past years, we would have shut the opposition down early and then taken over thengame in the 3rd with superior conditioning/ performance while the other team got tired. Instead, the Caps rolled over us. It points again to a possible PHYSICAL problem with this team.

JFC31


Mon Jan 18 2016 1:10 pm EST

This is where we (including myself) get to the over-analysis part and start picking apart everything like we are brain surgeons or something..When it's all very simple..Other teams got faster and better in the off-season..The Rangers got worse (Poor GMing)...They just aren't THAT good relatively anymore..Throw in the fact (OK, my opinion) that the COACH is having a Horrendous year and has developed no sense of team or identity...and that here is no leadership on the ice or off the ice up front...that there is redundancy at center.....and the role player/compliment players are impotent offensively despite strong efforts...and none of this should be a surprise really.....You can go either or two ways, trade everything you can or, if you want to try and win this year or next year,....the forwards have to be changed significantly with at least two additions on the top 2-3 line...and as many subtractions...The worst thing possible would be to ride this roster to the finish line...We'll see..

Hospo


Mon Jan 18 2016 12:25 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/the-mistakes-the-rangers-are-making-and-continue-to-make/162197290

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 12:24 pm EST

VIC -- maybe it's not a change in the system, maybe it's a change in a few key players. The Rangers defensive scheme is pretty demanding on defense men and if they even a half step behind and don't get to the puck/spot quickly and efficiently, the whole,thing falls apart. If Giraradi's iron-man performance ofmthenfather 4 years have caught up with him and he has lost that 1/2 step, there's no fixing it. If the same is true of Staal or if his eye injury has caused even a moments hesitation because he can't make out a play like he used to, there's no fixing that either. If that is happening, then you get other guys second guessing or trying to do too much to cover up for bad coverages by others. The Rangers need to make a move or 2 sooner rather than later. Ifbtheyy can't change the personnel to fit the system, then they are gonna have to CHANGE the system to fit their new reality. This could get very ugly if indeed the Rangers have key players who are losing their physical ability to,play the system.

JFC31


Mon Jan 18 2016 12:15 pm EST

All that said, I don't anticipate AV being fired, at least not until the off-season (if it's gonna happen) so I sure hope Gorton is working the phones. This hoping things will change mentality is just plain stupid, probably stupider than half of Sather's trades.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 11:16 am EST

stevie: It's the players of course, but it starts with the coach. The coach isn't there for show - he has a job and that is to instill a system and ensure the players adhere to it. Whether or not his system has been undermined by the opposition and needs adjusting is on him (and I honestly don't know if that's the case). What I do know is far too often lack of execution is evident. I don't care what system you have, passing when you should shoot (over and over and over again) and lazy penalties and not going to the net, etc is lack of execution. The players are the ones not executing but the coach is the one responsible for ensuring they do. From where I sit, this coach is afraid to act.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:37 am EST

I think it was on hockey night live where valliquette and the other 2 where showing scoring play demos on the ice...the former Debbie/nyr was showing how he would turn away from the d mans hip that was on his hip, and leave him standing there.....among other tricks of a scoring forward on d men......and goalies....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:23 am EST

RF4L and STEP: Agreed. The big issue I have with this year's D coverage is that it makes no sense. By definition a defender who is covering a guy is going to be a step behind that guy when he makes a cut to somewhere in the zone because the defender is reading and reacting to what the offensive player is doing, all while trying to keep some awareness of where the puck is. So, for example lets suppose you have GIRARDI locked up with the offensive LW near the crease. As that guy moves back into the circle GIRARDI is going with him. That vacates an area that either the offensive Center or one of the D cut toward and receive a pass. McDONAGH has to move over to challenge the scoring opportunity and that leaves the offensive RW all alone to slide into the back door for an easy tap in at HANK's left post. HANK was making those brilliant saves at the beginning of the year, and is starting to again but you can't rely on that. You can't win this way. They are surrendering too many golden scoring chances, especially considering how hard it is for them to generate anything offensively themselves right now. And the most insane thing is that they play this same coverage when they are down a man and there is already a guy on the PP who is unaccounted for. It is just crazy and I don't recall them playing this way last year or at any time before.

Vic


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:13 am EST

rf the players are underperforming. the question is it the coaches or their system ? .....or is it the players?.....it's usually a combination, but it looks to me more like the system has been picked apart by the opposition, and veenyo and friends are not adjusting for that....checkmate.....he has to at least start benching guys for blatant mistakes for a minimum of 1 shift.....otherwise he's accepting it.....and it will continue left unchecked ...pun intended.....and unintended...cya the nyr motto......he and ulfie sure know how to limit big mac's ice time.... when klein comes back, they should be rotating him with boyle and girardi..but it's highly doubtful because they think he's the low man on their d chart...and they are desperate for points , in their minds... their actions aren't consistent with that objective....."Coincidence or not, the Rangers are now 3-7-2 when Kevin Klein is out of the lineup..."...they can't play 60 minute hockey...... (

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:12 am EST

Took another look at the game this morning. The Capitals love to hang on to the puck. They forecheck constantly. And everyone sticks to their assignment. They clog up the passing lanes and force turnovers. But are constantly pushing offence. Meanwhile our NY RANGERS look disorganized and lost out there. They look confused and disinterested at some point. This is not the team that started in October. Same players different mind set. Penguins, Flyers, Devils and Islanders are playing well for the most part. This is going to be a huge battle to make the playoffs.

rangerlou


Mon Jan 18 2016 10:02 am EST

The rangers have mortgaged a big piece of their future by investing in players like a 38 yo MSL , Yandle , and Nash . for these 3 they gave 4 first rd picks, and several top young prospects including duclair, anisamov and Dubinsky. while not quite at the level of Billy Kings stupidity [see the Brooklyn nets trade for pierce and garnett] ] it certainly is another example of how misguided the current front office is and I include gorton because he is simply an extension of his former boss Glen Sather who still lurks in the background. its not that Dolan , sather et al don't care about winning a cup, sure they do, but its their lack of intelligence , discipline and self control in how to achieve that goal , that is the problem. neither nash, yandle or an aging MSL WERE OR ARE THE ANSWERS TO THIS COLLECTION OF MEDIOCRITY GETTING OVER THE HUMP. the only way is to draft wisely and build a team patiently and when you need that final piece make sure he is a winner like mark messier not rick nash or keith yandle.

docjay


Mon Jan 18 2016 9:58 am EST

repeat.....2) I am gaining more and more sympathy for you poor folks who live and die with them. I will say, this is why I’ve been saying that you guys should appreciate and enjoy the last four years. Because years like this one are far more common, and not just for this organization, but for a lot of them. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/18/rangers-capitals-in-review-17/#sthash.FBJIlrQK.2ERzO1Gs.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 9:19 am EST

Vic I concur on the D coverage. I am seeing much too often our defenseman either chasing to the point or covering the point. I have never seen anything like it. WTF are the Dmen doing covering the point. That leaves one of our pansie forwards to cover the net.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 18 2016 9:15 am EST

Vic: That's an interesting question but I wonder if it's simply execution. Look at the other issues we're seeing with the club and it's execution (or paying attention to detail or committing to the team concept or whatever you wanna call it). The lousy PP is execution, the refusal to shoot when they should and pass instead is execution. The lazy penalties is execution. The lack of urgency backchecking is execution. The poor PK structure is execution. The players are guilty as hell in this but it starts with the coach. He needs to use his only weapon and start pressboxing veterans, starting with Brassard and MZA. That takes huge guts however and sometimes, especially when it's out of character (which it would be for vet-loving AV) it only makes things worse. The entire situation can unravel completely. It's why, I suspect, AV has not done it. He's hoping the players figure it out, I'm sure. Definition of insanity is doing the same things that aren't working over and over and over hoping they'll fix themselves. It ain't happening so sooner or later AV needs to adjust. Either that or Gorton does and AV is fired.

RF4L


Mon Jan 18 2016 9:10 am EST

Only deja vu I see the past two months is Girardis crappy play. He needs to shut up and do before he speaks. Coach insanity keeps heaping minutes upon him though.

stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 18 2016 8:53 am EST

40g/90p = MSL (20/30) +Hags (20/20)

_Arc


Mon Jan 18 2016 8:51 am EST

E- you're exactly right: This is the same team as pre MSL ( and same performance). MSLmay not have been the elite ppg, 1st line, $5.5 mil per year guy but he was great as the 2nd/3rd line vet. They got rid of 40goals and 90 points and their whole season rested on the notion that 'KK, Hayes, and JT will take the next step'. I just don't get how anyone expected this to remain at post MSL level considering the evidence was pretty clear. Although we were deficient at top end talent, we were extremely deep with MSL (and Hags). You take those two out (as well as Hayes since Hags was instrumental in his performance) now you have a completely below average front

_Arc


Mon Jan 18 2016 8:12 am EST

“I feel like it has been déjà vu in here for the last two months,” Dan Girardi told The Post

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 8:02 am EST

At this point I have to believe the Rangers (meaning AV and ULF) have changed something with respect to defensive coverage and assignments. I say that because of HANK's animated conversation with ULF on Saturday. And I think it goes beyond the PK. I've never seen this team leave the front of the net undefended like they do now. And it isn't like they aren't aware that an opponent is there. They see them and ignore them. Look at all of these replays. Most of the time the D are out above the circle. WHY??? This wasn't the case in previous years. Ever. So either other teams have figured out how to attack the Rangers man-on-man coverage and are sucking the D out away from the net, or the Rangers have changed the way the are covering. IMHO it has to be the latter. IIRC the last few years the Rangers would switch off on coverage so that guys like GIRARDI aren't following a player without the puck out to the top of the circles. The only guy who consistently seems to stay home is McILRATH. You'd think he would be praised for that by the coach but it is more like the opposite. They act like McILRATH just doesn't play the system they want played as well as the other 6. Because McILRATH sure handles the puck a lot better then the others seem to be. He is making great outlet passes. He is calmly handling the puck under pressure and moving it to open guys. So you can't say that his puck handling and movement isn't up to par. I don't pay as much attention to D coverage as I do the Forwards. Does anyone else who focuses more on the D care to comment?

Vic


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:43 am EST

STEVIE: You can take all of those quotes and apply them to most of the games this team has played this year. It seems like it is the same thing almost every night. Very little little offense generated by this team's top 2 lines. They play a decent game 5 on 5. They don't capitalize on their PP chances while the other team does. They commit a horrible, untimely giveaway that ends up in the back of their net. And while they don't give up a ton of scoring chances it seems like almost every one is a Grade A scoring chance from in close with no defender around.........You can write that game summary right now and I bet you it will apply to Tuesday night against Vancouver as well. I swear if GLASS got the same scoring chances that the Rangers opponents get every night he would be a 30+ goal scorer.

Vic


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:38 am EST

1) Boy, am I glad I don’t root for this team. 2) I am gaining more and more sympathy for you poor folks who live and die with them. I will say, this is why I’ve been saying that you guys should appreciate and enjoy the last four years. Because years like this one are far more common, and not just for this organization, but for a lot of them. - 4) I don’t know what Alain Vigneault can do in terms of personnel, but I would think the night-after-night uncontested goals in the paint is something fixable. Right? Why hasn’t it been fixed yet? No idea. 5) Do you think teams have figured out how the Rangers will allow you to go stand at the edge of the blue paint all day long? Won’t bother you at all? 6) The Rangers compete, they really do, but they play such dumb hockey at such critical times. Such head-you-know-where hockey. Poor reads, poor coverage, lazy penalties. And with just a few shifts each night, they undo all the good they’ve done lately. They take the strides they’ve made, and fling them into the toilet. 7) Because, again – broken record – it’s not like the Big Red Machine ran roughshod over the Rangers. Not like the unstoppable December Champs had dozens of golden scoring chances. Not like it was a mismatch all night long 5-on-5. It wasn’t. But the mistakes, the brain-freezes, and the lazy penalties, are just fatal. Twice in nine days against the best team in hockey, the Rangers were right there but for a few miserable plays - 11) But there is not a single reason for them to throw in the towel and start blowing this up, even if it were possible with all the no-trade clauses and salary-cap implications. So please stop with this idea that they need to start rebuilding. And by the way, if this really is the result of playing 76 playoff games the last four years, then next season the core of this same group should have a much better chance, no? - 14) I get a kick out of the talk about the special teams battle. Because it was hardly a battle at all, and lately the Rangers haven’t given anybody a “battle” on special teams. Their power play is a disgrace. This was the second game in a row, a crucial third-period power play goes without a shot, without a threat. 15) The penalty kill is just awful, ragged, completely disconnected. Which is really not what you want when you tend to take needless penalties and are playing against that Big Red Machine power play - 20) Gotta love selective officiating. Alex Ovechkin throws an elbow to back of Dan Girardi’s head. Girardi slashes Ovechkin, Ovechkin swings his stick at Girardi’s stick. Play on. But then, all of a sudden, they will call something, like the penalty vs. McIlrath in Brooklyn. Later, in the second, Ovechkin slashed Girardi in the back of the legs, then a two-hander on Nash’s legs. Nash spins and whacks Ovechkin on the back of the legs. Ovechkin bear-hugs Nash. Play on. But all the pansification penalties are called. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/18/rangers-capitals-in-review-17/#sthash.FBJIlrQK.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:14 am EST

LW Rick Nash on losing momentum after the Capitals’ third goal: “We talk about that a lot though, that after the other team scores a goal on us, the next shift is huge. You have to get the momentum back. You have to get the puck deep and get a forecheck going. They did the exact thing to us that we want to do to them.” - D Marc Staal: “They are one of the best power plays in the league and we didn’t help ourselves by taking too many penalties. It starts there. And, then, when we do, we have to come up with some kills and some plays on the penalty kill to not let them score. It was a big part of the game tonight. I don’t think we were giving them an overly (large) amount of chances but the one chance they are getting, it’s a backdoor tap-in or a play where we don’t give our goalie a chance to stop it. Or we don’t give ourselves a chance to block it. So, it’s something that we need to work out.” - D Dan Girardi: “Special teams is a huge part of the game, obviously we lose again tonight. At the same time, the five-on-five game was OK. We obviously want to play this team five on five. But every play is a big play, especially when we’re trying to string together some wins here. Getting the puck out, block the shot, hit the guy in front or get his stick, all these small plays that we’ve just been doing the last couple of years. It’s like a natural feeling. But I feel like we get away from ourselves or something like that. I don’t know, I feel like I’m just talking the same after every game. I don’t know. We just have to figure it out. It’s in here. I’m just rambling, I don’t know what to talk about anymore.” - LW Tanner Glass: “I feel like every game is its own entity and tonight they were just a little better than us. They executed a little better and capitalized on their chances better than we did.” .................too much talk not enough execution....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:11 am EST

Dylan McIlrath took Klein’s spot in the lineup and played with his normal partner Keith Yandle, who struggled throughout the match. Marc Staal skated with Dan Girardi while Ryan McDonagh was paired with Dan Boyle for the first time this season other than in situational use. McIlrath played just 7:31 over the final two periods

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:10 am EST

Rangers coach Alain Vigneault: “They didn’t get a lot of looks, but the looks that they got, they were able to put in the back of the net. At the end of the day, I thought we came out well. Then, Brass took that holding the stick penalty and it wasn’t a good penalty at all. They tied it up on that. I thought we battled hard to make it 3-2 and then we turned it over on a simple play in our end and they made us pay for it again. They were an elite team and when you make mistakes like that, they are going to make you pay.”.................look past your nose and in the mirror.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:08 am EST

“I feel like it has been déjà vu in here for the last two months,” Dan Girardi told The Post after the Blueshirts were unable to build off Saturday’s shootout victory in Philadelphia. “We come in the room after a game in which we do the right things to win, and then the next day it’s, ‘Oh, we let it get away from us.’ “It’s really tough. It’s definitely been a long stretch. We play well for a stretch, but then we have lapses, and I don’t know why that is. “There’s no such thing as a little play in this lovely game of hockey. You have to be able to focus on every shift. For some reason, we haven’t been able to be consistent from game to game or within games. “I can’t explain it,” Girardi said. “Guys in here know what to do. It shouldn’t be new to us that we need to play 60 minutes.“It’s very frustrating.” “You have to leave it all on the rink, you have to have a rock-solid effort, whether you win or not. You have to stick to the game plan, battle hard and do it the right way.”“It was, we were playing so passive and I didn’t understand it,” said Girardi. “You have a guy like Backstrom with the puck [in the right circle], and we let him have the time he needed. “Ovechkin was in the [left circle], I felt they had three options and so I went up a bit to get him,” he said. “Let’s just be a little more aggressive. Let’s get at it, let’s force them to make a hard play under duress.” That is life on the treadmill. “Frustrating, just very frustrating,” Girardi said. “It’s not a lot of fun.”

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 7:00 am EST

The Blueshirts, 2-9-2 in their last 13 on the road,

stevielegs


Mon Jan 18 2016 5:42 am EST

Not saying that its a turn we will take, but the Kings missed the POs last season, got a little cap-space, more than anything else got a bit of a breathing room and some rest this summer, and is now looking like the prime contender... Just saying, we are as tired now as the Kings were last season. Doesn't mean that some players won't get better if they get a bit of a rest (like Girardi)...

Ola


Mon Jan 18 2016 3:38 am EST

MF: in some ways this team reminds me of the unit pre Marty St. Louis. Just couldn't get that extra goal when they needed it. When they won it was off the backs of the defense and goaltending and commitment by all 4-lines in 3-zones. Now? It's just not there. There isn't a threat. Again AV couldn't find a top-6 that he could be satisfied with. I wouldn't be surprised if with one move that adds to the scoring threat opens everything else up and they start becoming more a team like we've seen in the past few seasons. But clearly to me the fundamental issue plaguing the team is scoring. When you're getting goals you can start nitpicking everything else apart but I think they can hold leads adequately. I think that they can play D although in this game they were outdone by a wonky PK that took them out of a game that they were in control of. Just need goals.

E


Mon Jan 18 2016 1:10 am EST

Much as I hate to finally admit this, the center position is still a donut hole. Stepan or Brassard, and more should be moved to improve that situation. On another subject, just got home from Kings-Ducks. Man, are the Kings tough. Huge, can skate. Their 4th line tonight was Brown-Lecavalier-Gaborik. That's how deep they are. Kopitar is a magician.

Bob


Mon Jan 18 2016 1:10 am EST

Much as I hate to finally admit this, the center position is still a donut hole. Stepan or Brassard, and more should be moved to improve that situation. On another subject, just got home from Kings-Ducks. Man, are the Kings tough. Huge, can skate. Their 4th line tonight was Brown-Lecavalier-Gaborik. That's how deep they are. Kopitar is a magician.

Bob


Sun Jan 17 2016 11:26 pm EST

Wiosa maybe they are not allowed to shoot unless it's a "good look"... Not to be confused with pretty or just any old look ...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 11:20 pm EST

MF, they gave up four goals in the game - 5th was an EN and only our team finds that a challenge. The first was good but again we gave up a goal (and momentum) with less than 2 minutes left in the period. I think we're first in the league on that stat. This team has no offense, giving up four goals against our back up goalie is not great, but not the worst. Scoring 0 goals against their back up goalie says it all. We didn't even try. The same laid back shot here and there from the perimeter.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:32 pm EST

Hospo I'll call you mr backwards . ... Moof I would rearrange the chairs and furniture on the titanic for Helen Keller ..

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:59 pm EST

Stevie/RF: any interest in interviewing our next coach? Anne Sullivan Born on April 14, 1866, in Feeding Hills, Massachusetts, Anne Sullivan was a gifted teacher best known for her work with Helen Keller, a deaf, blind, and mute child she taught to communicate....... "Just need to find out where she's buried!"

mf


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:46 pm EST

STEVIE - Bullshit, Brassard wasn't around when Veenyo was a kid! And quit calling me SHirley!

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:40 pm EST

Veenyo knows brassard from when he was a kid. He still acts like one and gets treated like one with kid gloves. So the coach gives him mostly a pass instead of a kick in the ass. But he kicks only a few if that. He's too detached from them except for getting all of them to use his lingo of looks good locks bs... Another hard fought loss they are a good team over there this is a tough league ... Go coach in the ahl...there is no good reasons this team has gone from the president trophy to this mess of unable to win 2 games in a row for 2 months ... That's too much to accept ...too... Veentoo...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:37 pm EST

RF4L - Combo of both, I think...They aren't quitting but neither are they rising to any challenge nor do they seem to know what the challege is.... or what their team identity is

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:34 pm EST

MF - No worries,,,But those guys don't do it on the ice either, at least not this year...A guy like the one you have mentioned--LADD-- is needed IMWO

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:34 pm EST

Sorry folks to keep repeating myself but this club looks like they aren't interested in committing to this coach. It helps none that the coach seems incapable of adjusting/reacting.

RF4L


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:30 pm EST

Hospo, apologies buddy, I'm just venting and didnt like my tone in response to you..... You made & make a valid point; Brassard & MZA can certainly lead by example on the ice... play every shift hard, hustle off the ice, be defensively responsible, la di da di dah......

mf


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:53 pm EST

MF - Yeah, that was more or less a rhetorical question becasuse I don't think the Rangers ahve a single forward that can lead in any respoect..and I'm a little doubtful about the D-men also..All too quiet and calculated

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:46 pm EST

Hospo: NASH is never going to be "the" leader on any team he plays for because he isn't willing to leave "it all" on the ice... I don't get that the guy is a hypocrite, so he isn't going to preach something he himself will not follow... I just don't see Brassard or MZA being the spokesmen in the locker-room..... McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, Dom Moore, Dan Boyle, Hank, these are the mouth pieces that need to be speaking..... All jmho naturally...... I did not see the game, don't know the final score, but last I checked they gave up 5 goals and I knew they lost...... IF your GA's aren't hovering around "2" it's going to be an uphill battle to go deep... Again jmo....

mf


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:38 pm EST

When are guys like Nash, Brass, MZA,step gonna lead the way up front (on and off the ice) consisgtently? Again, I think the Ranger desperately lack leadership up front...

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:33 pm EST

York18 _ I'm gonna try and be nice and honest..However I can't guarantee I am remembering everything correctly..You get my age, it happens!Going back to last spring after I attended a few Pack games in Norfolk..I Posted that 1) Lindberger was the Rangers best forward prospect and 2) McILRATH was ready for the NHL and had nothing left to prove, incuding skating, in the AHL.and I also commented how other teams barely contested his side of the ice out of fear (and you even agreed to me)........Fast forward to this past offseason and I said BOTH MCILRATH and LINDBERGER were ready for the NHL..Mcilrath as a 6th/7th D-man and LIndberger as a 4th liner/Black Ace...But I also said that is how I saw them and would have started them but I didn't think either would make the opening night NHL ice due to AV's preference for other players ..so, there's some wrong and right in there.....And my wanting to start players like Linberger and Mciolrath like that doesn't mean I think they suck, or that I don't Like them, it's just my overall graduall appraoch with kids....kinda inline with how AV has deemed to use them also.....You, otoh,try to turn it into something different...Anyway...The Rangers have much bigger problems than those two!

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:20 pm EST

I must admit that I was pretty pleased over our win yesterday..........but I wanted to see how we did today against the BEST team in the east. Wow.......this is not a very good team we have here! It doesn't matter how many ways we switch up the lines and the D pairings...........this is not a very good team, period! On any given night ,Miller,Yandle and Hayes are responsible for more give a ways than both the Manning boys of the NFL combined. There is one glimmer of hope however............Hayes almost finished a check in the third period ..........but he decided to play the puck !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:20 pm EST

So veenyoyo " it's a tough league" ... The going gets tough you should get going . Home ....with the moms ... And stay there...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:10 pm EST

Didn't think they played terrible..Were the better team for the first 30 mins or so ,then boom...Lost to a flat out better team that is better because of the differences in the PP and the caps top players lead the way...and a team even withiut it's two best D-men can keep pressure off thier back line,,,.Throw in the brain fart by Miller(/) and you have another deserved loss..THe need for another foward is dire..Has been for awhile...

Hospo


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:00 pm EST

Gorton fishboy has to make a deal or they will crash and burn... More than they already have...Hank won't leave . He will go to Sather to get things fixed or guys fired ....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:57 pm EST

Stevie, yep, it's all bs. As for the PK ,we were 20th in the league before today. So I guess we're 21st. I really think the time to talk to Hank about moving to a team with a chance is now. We need to start over. Chrrreeeeeeist. This team.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:55 pm EST

Wiosa I'm so sick of hearing " some looks good looks" , it looks bad to me... This is a cya team led by a cya coach ...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:53 pm EST

Sure looks like a poorly coached and disciplined team to me ...pk is none existent ...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:46 pm EST

The shame is in our players...They just don't have it...Brain farts.....slow play etc

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:44 pm EST

Well... The Caps are that good. But as we progress the NYR fortunes really depend on their ability to add some scoring. I think their goaltending and defense has regained close to their usual stout play, but they aren't getting the production that they need to begin to think about getting up to or over the top. They were just outclassed. No shame in it. The Caps are running away with the NHL.

E


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:42 pm EST

No worries about Yandle since he will be traded meaning we get nothing from Duc or Hags....And we are stuck with a group who are clearly not playing for each other or their coach

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:40 pm EST

Yandle sux. Break up Brass and Zucc

puckyou


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:39 pm EST

Washington has all the tools......They are Cup bound...atleast no one in the east will take them down

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:38 pm EST

Interesting tidbit watching Caps broadcast. Rangers in bottom 5 in league in shots on goal. Something that can be addressed by the coaching staff, but never has been. Sick of the globetrotter act from these pansies !! Blow this up. Really looks as though most of them don't care.

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:37 pm EST

I like when we pull the goalie with two minutes and change left. we cant score in 17 minutes but well net two in 2

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:36 pm EST

Buffalo just beat this team, but we cant do it once ?

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:33 pm EST

So many reasons to make a trade....Dont worry about messing with chemistry and if you are...make the trade now and don't wait!!!!

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:31 pm EST

nope...no more goals

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:26 pm EST

jratelle,my feelings exactly. No more moral victories...it's mid January. I don't want to hear about "good looks" and how nice theyre playing....

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:20 pm EST

Telling me we can't get one past the backup goalie?

jratelle19


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:15 pm EST

from what I am seeing they were actually playing well against them but brainfarts and undisciplined play will cost again

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:14 pm EST

GORTON: Where is the help coming from??? Not much on this list that interests me to addressing the NYRs biggest issues.. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade_deadline/top25/

schneidw


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:14 pm EST

As good as Miller has been....time to ride the pine Too much undisciplined play by the whole team

rngrsans


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:08 pm EST

That Brooklyn team lost in a s/o so now's our time. Common Chris get a Hat Trick for mom

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:54 pm EST

Well Carl Hagelns team won..and congrats to Cam, here's hoping he does well.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:51 pm EST

Ok, on an off note. I have to start hunting for a car..probably wont buy one for another 3 months ,but I need that much time to figure out what to get. Love, love, Love Lexus, Mercedes and BMWs and in my next lifetime, Ill come back and buy a few. What does everyone drive? I have an Elantra..2010, it's ok, but I wasn't crazy about it. I live n NY.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:42 pm EST

The 3 s .... Shit shower and shave

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:40 pm EST

Bye holtby... Go shave

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:39 pm EST

2 kid k on fire ... Don't spit on him might get snuffed out .

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:39 pm EST

OMG Kreider scores again. Don't know if it's Zuuc, or Chris' mom,,,but let them both stay where they are.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:37 pm EST

Vic Nahhh we need a few more penalties. Let's see there's Dans and Dereks and Dylans and just had JT.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:36 pm EST

The must practice not shooting and passing instead, they almost have it perfected ...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:34 pm EST

Jr jitters on a breakaway was back passing the ref called 2 minutes for stupidity...

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:25 pm EST

Having Kreider on a line with Zuccarello is ridiculous! Kreider does not think,the game the way Zucc does and there is ZERO chemistry there. The line change is ridiculous and it's not working.

JFC31


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:24 pm EST

Ok, so much for that. What was that 2 goals in a minute? I went inside came out and we're losing. Sheesh

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:23 pm EST

this d system is abuse to goalies hank and anti.....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 6:11 pm EST

Ovie is Ovie , but the fivehole should've been stopped !!!!

ilya


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:51 pm EST

WIOSA: 5 on 5 AO doesn't scare me. But give them a dumb, unnecessary penalty and you can bet AO is going to burn them on it. When do we start talking about press boxing BRASSARD for a game or two?

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:49 pm EST

ps... I never verified that stat, I don't even know how to..butI know it's more than 10 that Ive seen This would be 11 that Ive witnessed.

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:44 pm EST

Vic, normally I get all over a player for a stupid penalty. Now Im pod at the team. I was posting about their letting in goals late in the period, stealing the big MO, and someone replied it was the 34th time we gave up a goal with less than 2 minutes in the period. WTF is that? This is 35. Glad to see it's not just Hank

WIOSA


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:42 pm EST

And it costs them, of course. Thanks BRASSARD, way to ruin a good period.

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:40 pm EST

WTF is BRASSARD thinking?

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:38 pm EST

Chimera fakes giving Mac a two hander to the face. Mac don't even blink. Love that guy.

stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:36 pm EST

Did GLASS just get hurt? It looked like he lost an edge and may have tweaked something?

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:24 pm EST

I hope big mac gives ovie a taste of his medicine

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:17 pm EST

Buffalo brought the Capitals down to Earth yesterday..... Hope it helps our chances.. Probably a long time since they've lost two in a row...... MFred, you trade Yandle, we need a 3rd pair LHS D'man, which I happen to feel is the easiest defensive position to fill, but we still need one........ 2-3 days ago I posted that the big change with this squad must come from within, "duh" the friigin light went on in my "deadhead" ;-) well that's still the situation, they're playing better, making less mistakes, or should it be termed, we're getting burned on less of the mistakes? .... Anywho, Riddle me this Wallsters: we need a top 6 player, we have Stepan, Brassard, Hayes, Lindberg, Moore down the spine, Whatawee-Dooo? Answer: How about having Hayes or Lindberg line-up with Brassard & Zucc, let Brassard take the faceoffs but play the wing, and let Hayes or Lindberg play the pivot?? I suggested this 2 weeks or so ago, it's worth trying, choose between Hayes & Lindberg based upon which configurations yield the most chemistry... Another brilliant ""Duhhhh"" comment.......

mf


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:03 pm EST

Stepan for me is a big problem period! We can't have this guy on the roster when his NO TRADE kicks in after next year.....we need a legit #1 C bundle him with Yandle.

MelvilleFred


Sun Jan 17 2016 5:02 pm EST

I'm glad McILRATH is in. I have a feeling that the Caps are going to play a physical, nasty game today.

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 4:55 pm EST

RF4L.....you can include Megna on the NOT Ready list.....got to watch yesterdays game today.....still very shaky. I did a double take when they announced that that was Kreiders 7th goal....christ he's tied with Jesper....one thing that's interesting is we don't have a single player in the top 20 in scoring but only 2 - players in Sommers and Glass. Well this afternoon will be interesting. Still have a huge problem with Boyle playing over McIlrath and Yandle not being actively shopped.

MelvilleFred


Sun Jan 17 2016 4:49 pm EST

Klein out. Big Mac in

rangerlou


Sun Jan 17 2016 2:35 pm EST

OLA- You are spot on... STEPAN is the biggest problem with the power play... he has zero ability to blast a one time off wing shot... David Perron would have been ideal for that role...had the NYRs been able to pry him away from PITT before ANA snagged him for Hagelin..,.,

schneidw


Sun Jan 17 2016 2:07 pm EST

and what did the nyr get for a $4 mil per goalie?......

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 1:45 pm EST

RF4L: Gotta agree... the NYR GMs have not gotten fair returns on a trade since McDonough...

schneidw


Sun Jan 17 2016 1:42 pm EST

"The Prince" hits pay-dirt... the deal is worth $12.5 million and carries an annual average value of $4.167 million per Sportsnet’s Chris Johnston. .........http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/oilers-sign-cam-talbot-to-a-three-year-extension/

mf


Sun Jan 17 2016 11:51 am EST

Bet Steven Stamkos has a big smile after the deal Kopitar signed. I have to say that yesterday's game, while frustrating had one big difference from the last month ot so, The King played like the King again. He was calm, back in the net, much better. Klein is not perfect, but is better with McD than Girardi. The Brassard like was less than useless. I shudder to think about how they will fare against OV's line today. Maybe Nash was their defensive conscience all along.

Bob


Sun Jan 17 2016 11:15 am EST

The Prince gets a new 3 year deal with the Oilers. Good for him. Well deserved. Rangers, BTW, get ripped on the trade. Sather and his job for life SUCK!

RF4L


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:59 am EST

puck: There is very little in Hartford right now. Some hope there in Skjei, Graves and Tambellini but none are NHL ready as I understand it. The cupboard is sparse....

RF4L


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:39 am EST

It's too bad we don't have a left D ready to challenge from Hartford. I was looking at stats fro Skjei today, looks like his offensive #'s and plus/minus unimpressive (-7). Bodie looked skinny when I saw him in the pre-season, but his stats look decent. Can anyone who watches the Pack give me a scouting report on how these 2 have been playing of late? Reason I ask, is that I think the Rangers will be forced to dump Yandle, and that leaves a hole on the left unless they get a lefty D in return. Everything I've read says they want a top 6 fwd for Yandle-I see him going out west or Tampa in the East.

puckyou


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:34 am EST

STEVIE: I have been such a big fan of GIRARDI over the years that it has been tough to watch him this year. He has had bad stretches in other years. When AV first got here it looked like there was no way GIRARDI could play this system. But he adjusted, and he played well over the last two years. He has struggled this year and his health isn't 100%. I'm hoping that he finds his game like he has in past seasons when he has struggled. With his NTC it is highly unlikely that he is moved this year. If he doesn't find his game it will be hard for the Rangers to do much in the playoffs, assuming they do make the playoffs. RF4L: If LA is interested in YANDLE then GORTON should be on the phone with them. YANDLE and his agent have basically given the Rangers two options. Trade him before the deadline or lose him in the off-season for nothing. That should make the decision much easier for GORTON and SATHER.

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:28 am EST

Now if I put things in perspective here is what I see. I see a pretty good 4th line. GLASS has been very good for this team since he came back. I like what he brings every night. STALBERG has been a positive to me. He isn't any kind of savior and I know it was a relatively poor signing but on the 4th line I like him. He has size and he hits. He makes some good defensive plays every game. He isn't going to score much but on the 4th line I don't care. But, if you noticed he has been chipping in offensively at a pretty consistent pace over the last month. MILLER, KREIDER and HAYES were all a big problem in the first half of the season. All three are starting to give the Rangers what they had hoped for (and really what they were absolutely planning on) going into the season. If all three continue to find their game and become what the team thought they would be that will go a long way to helping this team right the ship offensively. And finally HANK. HANK is showing over the last few games that he has once again found his game. With the Rangers defense being what it is right now it is critical that HANK start stealing games again if they want to make the playoffs. I still believe this team has a good run in it coming up. I still believe that they will right the ship. But I still see too many holes and I have strong doubts about the 6 D right now. I honestly believe that McILRATH is a better player right now then most of the other 6. He has been much better with the puck and he doesn't get caught out of position. He is always near the crease and picking up the open guy. That is why so few goals have been scored with McILRATH on the ice. I don't know why it has become such a problem for the other 6. And I don't know why the Rangers coaches are saying that the other 6 give the Rangers a better chance to win. My eyes tell me otherwise.

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:16 am EST

THE BAD: BRASSARD was so bad in this game I don't have words to describe it. I don't know how some people can like this guy so much. Someone mentioned that he had 3 turnovers in a short period of time. He was actually doing it all game. I think I lost count at 10. MZA.....invisible for most of the night except when he and BRASSARD failed to capitalize on a chance in the 3rd. I'm going to give MZA a pass on last night because his Center was miserable. It is hard to do anything positive in the game when your Center keeps giving the puck away to the other team. NASH had a good move to the net and a scoring attempt off it but was pedestrian again last night. When you look back at who has scored for this team over the last 2 or 3 weeks it is frightening. The Top 6 has been a passenger for most of that time with an occasional goal here and there. And that goes for the PP as well which has been dreadful. If MILLER doesn't score that goal last night the PP would have once again been shutout. But the streak stopped no thanks to BRASSARD, STEPAN, MZA, NASH and YANDLE. Another BAD was the defensive coverage in this game.....yet again. Way too many quality scoring chances against last night. HANK was once again BRILLIANT. And he still gave up two goals. I hope RAANTA is ready to play today because if he doesn't stand on his head Washington may score 12 based on the number of quality scoring chances the Rangers give up per game. This is the thing that bothers me the most. I could understand the team not playing well offensively if they aren't on the same page or if other teams have learned how to defend against the Rangers. But this doesn't have much to do with those things. This is different. This is opponents standing all alone in the crease getting point blank chances. This is missed assignments. This is poor decision making with and without the puck. I've been hard on the Forwards because I mostly believe that team defense stems from how hard the Forwards defend. However, the more I watch this team the more I am coming to the conclusion that the problems in the Rangers own end are mostly being caused by the D. And I'd like to singe YANDLE or BOYLE out as the cause because of their past poor play but right now it is the other 4 who are really the problem.

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 10:13 am EST

Keeping in mind the source - what's his nob says Kings really interested in Yandle. That makes sense to me and I mused about it a few weeks ago. However, that was before they got Schenn....

RF4L


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:59 am EST

I didn't get to watch the game until last night. I knew the result and I had the chance to read through the Wall in the evening before I watched the game. I almost didn't watch it and probably wouldn't have if the Rangers had lost but I didn't have anything better to do last night. It is funny how our perception of players and things influences what we see and what we don't see. My expectations for the game based on what I read here were different then what I saw. Here is what I saw. THE GOOD: MILLER had another strong game. He has been the most consistent forward over the last several weeks. He is playing a simple, hard-nosed game. He is becoming the PF that a lot of thought he could be when there was some question as to what his future was (Center or Wing). KREDIER has been much better the last few weeks. He hasn't had a lot to show for it but he is starting to skate and use his body much more. It will take time but he is on the right path. HAYES had a really good game last night. Again, didn't have any points to show for it but since he came back from his benching he has been a changed player. The biggest change in his game is that he is skating hard now and moving his feet. It is giving him opportunities to drive the net (like last year). It is giving him time and space to make plays with the puck. And it is allowing him to once again be effective defensively. He is starting to make those defensive plays where he is intercepting passes and poking the puck away from players. All stuff he did last year regularly but has been missing from his game. Mostly because he has been in slow motion since he arrived in camp. His skating and effort level were well below what they were last year. He is also on the right path back to being a productive player. It is even more frustrating because so many of us were yelling for AV to bench him earlier to get through to him. It appears to have worked.

Vic


Sun Jan 17 2016 9:40 am EST

“I felt rested and I felt good,” the alternate captain said. “No pain; at least I couldn’t feel any.” Girardi is the personification of a hockey warrior. It goes completely against type, and it goes against hockey tradition, but it might be best if he sits out now and again the next few weeks, even when healthy, when the schedule is most challenging. “Obviously, I want to play every night, but if it’s brought up by the coaches, I’ll see where it goes,” Girardi said. “If I’m able to, I’d like to play every game, but I’m not a dumb person; I know there’s been a lot of wear and tear. “So we’ll see.”

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:41 am EST

Ola the problem is the nyr are first looking to pass not shoot, 5-5,5-4,5-3, 4-5...the pp is Pass Practice.....The d system is too easily exposed....the coach and his staff continue to stick with their system as the opponents pick it apart.....his name starts with A but the word Adjust is not in his dictionary.....for hank to go over during a TV timeout and give Ulfie a talking to says he doesn't agree with how the d defends on the pk.....their version of fundamentals is bizarre...the cryers just did cross ice passes and the nyr get dizzy.....the flaws in the system get picked apart, and the execution on offense is of a 1 track mindset.....the need to hire a coaching consultant to help , and decide if veenyo can improve ......I doubt fishboy can tell or teach him anything of real value...... the eye in the sky coach needs an eye test.....or to grow a pair.....and tell the coach what he sees....

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:11 am EST

Should Derek Stepan play on the power play? It sucks with him on it, he goes down and it's among the best in the long for quiet some time, Stepan comes back and over night it becomes the worst in the league going 0 for 18. Swedish TV had a NYR game a few weeks ago, an expert, one of the good guys (think Dave Maloney type), said that he thought that Stepan was the biggest problem with NYR PP and that he had been the problem for years. Said basically for the central role he has on the PP he must be the least talented player in the league for that role. It's hard to not agree with him, Stepan don't handle the puck well, he can't thread a pass, his shot is only so-so.

Ola


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:10 am EST

Hospo its hard to stay hot when you're benched after scoring and its also hard to be consistent when your linemates change constantly. He played his best when the season started and lines weren't being juggled every game. Also you seem to forget this kid is a rookie this is his first year he's not a first line player who should be hot all year he's a third line rookie get 15-20 goals out of a third line rookie and that is damn good

York18


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:06 am EST

Hospo what lies? Did you not state numerous times that wrath was not nhk ready and hr would not make the rangers? Did you not say Lindberg was nothing more than an ahl player and should be sent down to hartfied? Is Lindberg on pace for 20 goals? Are there any fourth liners in the NHL on pace for 20 goals. Matter if fact how many third liners are on pace for 20 goals and are rookies to boot? Is wrath not an NHL level player in skill and production? Please show me where I lied. I think what you're growing tired of is pulling your foot out of your mouth please don't confuse the two. Your problem is if you don't like a player even when they play way you bash them. How many times have you claimed to supposedly like wrath but want to trade him constantly.

York18


Sun Jan 17 2016 8:02 am EST

Ola: please tell me your not still reading articles by Brooks about salary or cap issues. The guy went on and on and on about the cap going down last year...and about how much players would cost for years....and he has been off target about everything every time. He really is the worst resource for money issues that there is...maybe for the entire NHL

Wildcard


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:55 am EST

25) I am really starting to like some of the relevant stats Steve Valiquette keeps: The Rangers have put 166 point shots on goal with no screen and the goalies are 166-for-166. Then he supports it with video of Rangers forwards not making enough of an effort to get there. Good stuff. -....5) That power-play goal by Philadelphia in the third was so typical of the way the Rangers cover – or don’t cover – the front of their net. Wayne Simmonds went and planted himself in the crease. Ryan McDonagh ignored him, fronted him. This is obviously what the Rangers do by design. They front the man, don’t try to move him, don’t try to tie him up. So the Flyers moved the puck across, McDonagh has to abandon Simmonds, by design. Dan Girardi is stuck in the left circle where he was pursuing the puck, again, by design apparently, then doing a half a snow angel that prevented him from getting back to the net. Just too, too easy for the Flyers. John Scott could have scored that goal. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/17/rangers-flyers-in-review-21/#sthash.qJ9ycKYE.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 7:44 am EST

9) But if you look at the last five games (3-1-1), they smacked Dallas, had just a couple of terrible plays in an OT loss to Washington (which they nearly won in regulation, and nearly won in OT), were better than OK but not great in beating Boston, had two costly mistakes in the third period to lose in Brooklyn, then got two points against an improving Philly, despite more mistakes. It seems when they make them, they pay for them. - .........20) Maybe the Rangers should just go with rush attempts instead of setting up the power play, because the setup is really in the tank now. They really can’t have all these pass-first guys on the power play. I don’t get why they went away from that setup with Boyle in the left circle, which was working so well. They really stunk it up with that third-period power play and a chance to put the game away. Not a shot. Not one. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/17/rangers-flyers-in-review-21/#sthash.qJ9ycKYE.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Jan 17 2016 3:48 am EST

Re Brooks article, I definitely expect the PA to use the inflator or whatever it's called. If the cap remains stagnant or even drops, all FAs this summer is screwed to start with. If the inflator isn't used, they will be more screwed. Someone will take a hit, all FAs or all players? The later is more fair.

Ola


Sun Jan 17 2016 12:26 am EST

Kopitar, Kings agree to eight-year contract extension ..... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=798024&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Sat Jan 16 2016 8:35 pm EST

Sabres are beating the Caps 4-0..wonder if it will hold? Wonder how PO'd the Caps will be if it does?

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 7:10 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JANUARY 16, 2016 4:03 PM Betcha AV says “It was a hard-fought game by both teams, not a lot of room out there … we were able to get the win in a shootout. Now we’ll prepare for Washington tomorrow.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/16/rangers-at-flyers-its-go-time-6/#sthash.VUv1oqqF.dpuf

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 7:01 pm EST

To do with that... Ponticus Pilot

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 6:58 pm EST

Finally, Vigneault was asked about the overnight trade that brought ex-Ranger Carl Hagelin back into the division with the Penguins after the Ducks dealt him for David Perron and Adam Clendening. “That’s really not my problem,” Vigneault said, chuckling. “I’m going to focus on our team here. I don’t know if Hags is happy or not. I have nothing to d

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 6:57 pm EST

“Physicality is definitely a big part of hockey, especially when you’re playing against certain teams that have that skill level, that speed level,” Vigneault said. “A lot of times, two ways of stopping that: good puck management and playing the body. Tanner gives us a combination of both. There’s no doubt he’s a physical player that wears the opposition down. We need that and he’s been doing a good job.”

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 6:27 pm EST

Report that hanks mom grabbed him by the ear and dragged him over to ulf and made him apologize .... Other moms did similar to their kids for mistakes they made.... All were warned about getting timeouts but veenyoyo stepped in and said to save them for reviews , and not eating their veggies...just send them to bed without their dinner at 730 pm ...

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 6:15 pm EST

York18 _ I couldn't care less about right or wrong, I have been both on many things.., but I do grow tired of your constant fabricating and lies, but whatever floats your boat

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 6:10 pm EST

Melville Fred/WILDCARD - I am not saying anything about Lindberger's futurte, which I think is a good one..,I'm just saying he has been pkaying like a 4th liner NOW..which is 1G in his last 14 games along with a few benchings by his coach...I don't see that as a solid 3rd liner NOW, but you can call it what you want....

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:50 pm EST

brassard made three bad passes within a couple of minutes today; I think they were all in the third. Lazy passes that resulted in turn-overs. He needs to have Zucc-like discipline on EVERY play. A few others have this same disease.

nyfans


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:35 pm EST

RF4L.....2 for 2..... Rosen and Michiletti prattling on while the play is going on is sooooooo annoying. And Michiletti has to be replaced by Maloney. These 2 make watching the Rangers even more painful.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:27 pm EST

RF4L.....I've been saying for the last month that Yandle needs to go NOW for a top 6 forward.....before he gets injured.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:24 pm EST

HOSPO don't you grow tired of being wrong about these kids? First Wrath wasn't NHL material and neither was Lindberg, now they have proven you wrong, now lindberg is nothing more than a fourth liner? Show me a fourth liner who is on pace for 20 goals in the league. Because that would mean we have one hell of a team if our fourth liners are netting 20.

York18


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:21 pm EST

Ola....that's the Million dollar question, where is McIlrath?!?! This kid is going to be a stud and AV is dicking around with him playing our PP specialist Boyle or even guys with cracked knee caps.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:18 pm EST

Oh absolutely no question HOSPO, totally agree. Like I've said on here many times before, go watch some NHL hockey from the mid to late 90's... the game was a thousand better, more exciting, physical, etc. I will always bleed blue but the NHL product is so inferior nowadays. When I was a little kid (late 70's) sitting in the blue seats getting a nice contact-high from the smoke filled upper deck Rangers vs Flyers really was a spectacle to behold Brother'!!! Today's game.... boooooooooring.

hipcheck


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:18 pm EST

Hospo.....you know I love ya but your assessment of Lindberg is going to be 100% wrong. This kid has all the tools and just needs some playing time. He will be better than Stepan and Brassard in the long run.

MelvilleFred


Sat Jan 16 2016 5:14 pm EST

How can an ass be bony and fat simultaneously?

Bob


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:42 pm EST

Can we slip into Pittsburgh and kidnap Hags?

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:38 pm EST

Hospo: Its not often than a rookie 4th liner is on pace for 21 goals and 0.46 ppg. Saying Lindberg is nothing more than a 4th liner is kind of going against what he is actually doing game to game.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:13 pm EST

Personally, I think it would make for better TV if the Rangers got spanked in front of their mothers and they could show shots of these idiots crying and cursing..

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:10 pm EST

OLA - Part of the problem with our D fetching the piuck..is the inability of the forwards to control the puck or win the neutral zone and thus the other team has the puck too often and is forcing our six D back too much

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:10 pm EST

Staal finally made a long pass to stepan who passed to Nash who threw it to krapreider who for some reason didn't miss scoring ... Maybe the mommies get held hostage for 5 months ...if they can get their little boys to keep getting 2 points ...

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:08 pm EST

STEVIE - I think it's more the TEAM D (except, on most nights, Girardi) then the D letting too many players roam free and buzz through the neutral zone..The culprit is AV and his game..

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:04 pm EST

Not Yandles night, but he still have been good the last while. However Boyle is not a good partner for him. Where is McI? Not many parts of this team that is stepping up to be honest, the 4th was maybe a little better than OK but the rest were very flat. On of the big problems we have is that our blueline just takes a long time fetching pucks deep and getting the puck up ice. Trading Yandle in light of that is very problematic.

Ola


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:03 pm EST

The real nyr problem is the d.... I hope Hank pulls a crybaby and gets somebody fired . And it just might be ulfie , and his suits that look like his tailor altered them for somebody smaller....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 4:00 pm EST

RF4L - If it's FAST and Lindberger, no , they will not score more...They are perfect 4th liners, noithing more....HAYES is another story

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:59 pm EST

You can't have two defenseman better giveaway machines like Yandle and boyle on the same team. Trade one/bench one

puckyou


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:59 pm EST

RF4L - The FLyers were one of many teams in the East this past off-season that made the change to a more skill and spped game, with the CAPS leading the charge..Doesn't mean the game can't still have some passion and pohysicality, which i find totally lacking in the NHL these days..Basically, the league and game sucks

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:59 pm EST

Yandle was a nightmare today. I am now starting to worry that he'll get hurt between now and the deadline, making him untradeable, then walk this summer. Gorton had better not pull a Sather/Richter pick his nose act on this one.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:57 pm EST

Hospo: IMO, you're being too harsh on that 3rd line. If the top 6 were doing anything like they're paid to do, that 3rd line would probably score more.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:57 pm EST

RF4L - yeah, the Hayes line had two real good shifts in the 3rd periond with hard work ..A perfect 4th line...

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:56 pm EST

Hospo: The Flyers are slowly but surely joining today's hockey which means less pondering idiots that look to fight constantly and more guys with speed who move the puck up the ice. That Gotstobesomething dude is very impressive. Green and prone to mistakes but very skilled - he looks like a good one to me.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:55 pm EST

Overall, I still think the Rangers will have a strong defense when all isw said and done..but upo from...We basically have two second lines...FIVE fourth liners and, in Kevin Hayes. a sometimes nothing and a sometimes game changer..Gorton better be working his phines

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:55 pm EST

Yandle and Brass were horrible in that one.

puckyou


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:53 pm EST

Hospo: Did you notice the strong forechecking by the 3rd line in the 3rd? IMO, easily the best line for the Rangers today. The 4th was pretty good too. That top 6 is a mess tho. Gorton needs to get off his bony/fat ass and do something and something significant. By that I don't mean trade the next 5 firsts. I mean don't be afraid to include any of Kreider/Zuke/Stepan/Brassard...

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:52 pm EST

Hip - For a Ranger-FLyer game, I found it pretty blah..There used to be so much passion in these games..not any more...

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:51 pm EST

Very emotional game.

hipcheck


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:50 pm EST

Yeah, Staal had a very strong game. Wish he was more consistent.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:50 pm EST

Zuke with a fabulous move. First thing he did all game!!

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:50 pm EST

Best thing about the game---The KIng looks back on the top of his game....Second best thing--Marc Staal seems to have finally found his misplaced balls..The rest of the team, so-so

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:49 pm EST

Did anyone actually believe there was a chance Stepan would win the FO with 10 seconds to go? LOL

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:48 pm EST

Fuckinfinally

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:47 pm EST

That's a start!

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:46 pm EST

WATCH hipcheck be right!!!

NV94


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:46 pm EST

You have one chance to win the OT with 10 secs left and you use Step for the FO> And you Play Jasper Fast for 2 mins in OT? AV bobbles my mind....And MZA needs to get his head out of his ass..Thank Gid for the King

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:45 pm EST

What a waste of a timeout .... Lol

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:38 pm EST

DREW _ That's OK, allthough I hate the philospophy, sometimes I think that's the only way for this team...Other times, I think they are a good trade or two awy from a Cup run...It's a very frustrating team with a very underperforming coach right now...

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:37 pm EST

The way this one is going, DEL ZOTTO will get the OT or shootout game winner. The magic is over.

hipcheck


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:35 pm EST

They tried to lose it in regulation ... Need to try harder

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:32 pm EST

Hank better figure out he has to be the 3 rd d because the other 2 are turds

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:32 pm EST

Is AV getting out coached again?

NV94


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:30 pm EST

Man, I know this is against Hospo's philosophy but this team ins need of some serious retooling/rebuilding. I would consider "selling" at the deadline.

DREW


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:28 pm EST

Once upon a time the New York Rangers took a 1-goal lead into the third you could go to dinner because they just won. Now? Unreal. It's funny, for most of the last few games the defense has been plenty good. Just that untimely mistake and chalk the loss

E


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:27 pm EST

Guess ulfie will get fired . Hank gave it to him after that goal during tv timeout ... Great d coverage

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:23 pm EST

So f#cking painful. This season hurts.

hipcheck


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:22 pm EST

Great d coverage again... Hank block the pass your d can't

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:21 pm EST

@#!! But you had to know it., We cant sit on a goal lead for two periods.

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:19 pm EST

Effin Stepan

Fotiu22


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:15 pm EST

Guess Big Mac might be back in tomorrow for Calvin Klien

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:14 pm EST

Icing on pp passing practice

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:05 pm EST

Hospo; I concur more goals from them would help but that's the only line that's done any effective forechecking. The top 6 are being paid to generate offense and they simply aren't doing it. It seems every game I watch out of the 6, 2 are noticeable and the other 4 not. It's a HUGE issue that AV refuses to address.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:03 pm EST

Hospo: Nosen might be ok with a proper colour guy - Dickiletti is for the worse colour guy I've ever been subjected to. And the habit they have of prattling on about nothing while the play is actually happening drives me bonkers. So unprofessional. Makes me wonder about MSG management and helps explain (for me) why Glen Sather has his stupid job for life deal. That Dolans dude is a buffoon.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:01 pm EST

RF4L - persoanlly, I've seen nithuing from Fast and Lindberg at ES..The thrid line is as bad as you can get, especially Hayes who has turned into a ghost....Now I say this, totally expecting a fuck you Hospo goal out of them in the 3rd period.....Either way, GOrton needs to be working on a deal or two up front.

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:59 pm EST

RF4L - If I can help it, I always watch or listen to the way announcers...Nosen and Dickalettii make me puke with their propaganda..I know all annoucers do it for the home team.,,but I abhor hearing it...so i'll take the visitor announcers every time..and some of them are damn good..Other like Edwarsds and the Penguin annoucers just ain't worth it

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:57 pm EST

Good games for far (IMO) from the King, Staal, KK (other than the first goal), Fast,Lindberg, Stepan, Miller and Kreider all playing well. And Moore. Nash overall quiet but has had 3 very strong offensive players. On the other hand, Brassard sucks. Zucc deserves the pressbox - he is doing NOTHING. Yandle and Boyle adventures. So much work left to do....

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:54 pm EST

Hospo: Sportsnets here has the Flyer feed and I gotta say, their announcers aren't bad at all. Of course it's more tilted towards the Flyers but they aren't reluctant to talk positively about Ranger players and clearly have done their homework. They are aware of how the Rangers have done, right down to individual players. By far, a superior job compared to the 2 dofuses Nosen and Dickiletti.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:51 pm EST

Hospo this guy dickaletti is a real pos constantly talking up every guy on the other team like their his kids .

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:45 pm EST

"good effort by Boyle"..asnd he chokes up the puck for a breakaway...."Good play by Boyle" and he gets abused by Voracek...God, I hate the Ranger homer announcers...Boring, boring game but Rangers doing OK defensibely, I'll take it..

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:32 pm EST

weird penalty

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:26 pm EST

Wth?

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:18 pm EST

Nice goal by KREIDER from NASH (Great pass!!!).

hipcheck


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:18 pm EST

I don't know what shocked me more, that he had the brains to go tot he front of the net, or that he actually scored. Either way..yeah Chris!!!

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:18 pm EST

See what happens when you do the simple, smart thing, Kreids?

Rexi29


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:17 pm EST

Holy krap kreider

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:14 pm EST

No chastity belts ?

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:14 pm EST

Just bra's and panties you pervert

mf


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:12 pm EST

Do the mommies have body guards ?

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:05 pm EST

We are at the game. Rangers look unpredictable. Some shifts they look potent.And some shifts they look disorganized. Let's hope they get it together Let's Go Rangers

rangerlou


Sat Jan 16 2016 1:57 pm EST

Pp stands for passing practice ... From now on give puck to hank he passes next guy passes 3 rd guy shoots and scores or start over again... Do not stay in the zone for passing practice ....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 1:46 pm EST

Yay team..JT!

WIOSA


Sat Jan 16 2016 1:45 pm EST

Nice shot JT but god that power play blows..The Mama's boys too afraid to go to the net

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 1:21 pm EST

McD in no man's land..Forwards not getting back...SOS

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 1:10 pm EST

There aren't a lot of forwards I would rather have if the choice is one of them or hagelin ... Guess veendidntknow and fishboy discounted his and Msl's contributions and who could fill those 4 skates .... Too bad they aren't as smart as needed ... The genius doesn't want anyone smarter than him ... Imagine that level of genius to stay below..::duh ...

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 12:54 pm EST

,one = lose

JFC31


Sat Jan 16 2016 12:53 pm EST

and Megna may be fast straight ahead, but it's his agility/quick turns that looked suspect....he seemed to,one his edge a lot. Maybe just a couple,of bad games....small sample size.

JFC31


Sat Jan 16 2016 12:52 pm EST

stevie -- not liking Hags in Pitt....he makes them a harder team to play against....kills penalties and....well, we know the pressure he can bring on the forecheck. If they put Hags on with Crosby, he might actually score some goals, too.

JFC31


Sat Jan 16 2016 12:50 pm EST

soled?...speed....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 11:15 am EST

Jfc he probably caught nyr skate in muditis... Because he was fast in the first game and claimed soled is one of his assets ... Maybe they told him to slow down not to make the rest look slow... Maybe that's why hagelin was traded too... Lol

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 10:26 am EST

Complete out-of-the-blue post: Imliked what I saw from Megna when he was called up....he works hard and he knows where to set up in the offensive zone. But....man, his skating is just awful. He needs a lot of work on his edges. i don't think he'll be able to,stick if his skating is really as bad as it has appeared the last 2 games.

JFC31


Sat Jan 16 2016 10:16 am EST

Agreed it's difficult to like AV this year. I keep saying it - this is what brought him down in Vancouver - stubbornly clinging to what had worked previously and hugging the vets.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 10:11 am EST

The coach thinks his d is stronger without Big Mac ... I disagree with whatever all of his definitions of stronger are... Guess he wants to seal his own fate... I doubt he's here next season if the results are not what Sather expects ... If this cha cha continues it might be sooner rather than later...

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:54 am EST

Mother's trip? It fits the Ranger to a tee, they play like a bunch of Mama's Boys far too often,,,Gotta sit that bad influence dirty Dlman Mcilrath also...Thyis team and coach is so hard to watch, even when it wins,.No surprise with Mcilrathe sitting, Only wqay he plays is if AV's hand is forced via injury...Just another example of AV pushing all the wrong buttons this year,,

Hospo


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:40 am EST

And yeah, stupid decision to dress Girardi - simply more evidence to me that AV is not a McI fan.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:39 am EST

Interesting trade but given Perron is a pending UFA, you gotta figure the Ducks are disappointed with Hagelin and dumped him - probably due to that rather large contract he has. $4,000,000 is a lot of money for a guy on pace for 4 goals.

RF4L


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:18 am EST

“It’s definitely a big adjustment at this my point of my career,” Girardi added. “The last four or five years, we’ve played a lot of games. (Resting occasionally) might be something where I suck it up and take a few games off.” Girardi added his knee was “pretty standard, still sore but not restricting me.” ..................so what will veenknow do? ,,,,hurry him back in again like he's the Norris trophy odds on favorite....against philthy cryers no less...genius III.... nyr have the market cornered on geniuses....

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:13 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/ducks-trade-hagelin-to-penguins-for-perron-clendening-1.423977

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:11 am EST

Hagelin is in the first season of a four-year, $16 million deal which the Rangers could not have afforded this offseason when Hagelin was a restricted free agent and had four goals and eight assists in 43 games for the Ducks. With the Rangers, Hagelin was a valuable third-liner and penalty killer, which will ideally now be his role with the Penguins. New Penguins coach Mike Sullivan is very familiar with Hagelin’s game as he was John Tortorella’s assistant with the Rangers for Hagelin’s first two NHL seasons. Hagelin set career highs last season in his last with the Rangers with 17 goals and 18 assists in 82 games. In the Rangers’ five-game, first-round win over the Penguins in last season’s playoffs, Hagelin had two goals and an assist, including the overtime winner in the Rangers’ decisive 2-1 Game 5 victory. Hagelin has already faced the Rangers once this season, as he was a minus-1 in 14:09 as the Ducks lost to the Rangers, 3-2, in overtime on Dec. 22. Now, Hagelin will get to face his first former team four more times as the Rangers and Penguins have yet to play this season. The Rangers are at Pittsburgh on Feb. 10 and March 3 and the Penguins come to Madison Square Garden on March 13 and March 27. The Penguins (20-16-7) start play today in fifth place in the Metropolitan Division and two points out of the final wild-card spot in the Eastern Conference.

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:07 am EST

This is the “Mothers’ Trip” for the Rangers, with mothers of 19 players — and including Kevin Klein’s sister, there to help their mother who is on crutches with a broken foot — making the trek to Philadelphia and then on to Washington for Sunday afternoon’s game. The Rangers have done raucous “Fathers’ Trips” in the past, but Vigneault has done the Mothers’ Trip before. “Having done this before, we’re going to have a group that’s on its best behavior,” Vigneault said. “Usually when the fathers are there, it’s the fathers that we need to watch a little bit more than the guys.” The players, of course, are appreciative. “It’s great to have them here,” said Lundqvist, whose mother traveled from Sweden to be there. “We all understand that we wouldn’t be here without their support. I’m very grateful that they do this.”

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 9:06 am EST

"Defenseman Dan Girardi is likely to play on Saturday afternoon, having missed Thursday’s game with what he guessed was “eight or nine” stitches on his right thumb. Coach Alain Vigneault said if in the morning Girardi was shown to be healthy enough to play, rookie Dylan McIlrath would come out. The plan is for goalie Henrik Lundqvist to get the start in Philadelphia, then backup Antti Raanta to start on Sunday afternoon in Washington. Raanta hasn’t played since getting mop-up duty in Nashville on Dec. 28, and hasn’t started a game since Dec. 17, when he suffered a concussion when he took a puck to the mask in Minnesota. Vigneault said rookie forward Oscar Lindberg was likely to return to the lineup, and although no final decision was made, it looks like either Viktor Stalberg or Jayson Megna would come out. "

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 6:42 am EST

Oh joy fishboy you blew that one ..a bridge deal was the correct move genius II... Thanks can't wait for the genius , you, and the entourage to get canned . As soon as jimmyboy comes out of his coma...just what the nyr needed hagelin back on the east coast...

stevielegs


Sat Jan 16 2016 3:08 am EST

PIT/ANA TRADE ALERT: Carl Hagelin for David Perron and Adam Clendenning

Ola


Sat Jan 16 2016 2:36 am EST

Just got home from the Ducks game to find Hags traded to Pittsburgh. Weird. David Perron going to Anaheim.

Bob


Sat Jan 16 2016 12:02 am EST

HOSPO: Party pooper. And I even broke them up into "small" posts for you...;-).......E: I understand what you are saying and the course of a game I totally agree. Many times a team's good fortune (or luck) is created by their own hard work and extra effort. However, there are many kinds ot luck or good fortune at play. It was lucky (for the Rangers) that they got Montreal instead of Boston. It was lucky (in a morbid way) that MSL's Mom died the day she did instead of a few days later. And so on, and so on......And then there is the luck inside the game that really has nothing to do with effort. Pucks on edge, pucks bouncing off a player or a stanchion and creating a goal or scoring chances. Just the strange bounces that happen every game. I don't remember them all from that season but I do remember having the feeling that things were bouncing their way in the Montreal series and that things were bouncing the Kings way in the finals.

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:20 pm EST

Moof get your resume and your portfolio of proposed trades , and tryout for the gm job.....http://nypost.com/2016/01/15/rangers-coach-we-might-be-no-2-in-east-even-if-were-not-great/

stevielegs


Fri Jan 15 2016 9:56 pm EST

Gorton poor guy feel bad for him. Dump Girardi, Nash, Stahlberg, Glass, .....I will play lol, lets all tryout for the Rangers.......open tryouts...lol

vcp1994


Fri Jan 15 2016 9:53 pm EST

Dolan = Douchebag. So glad I dumped cablevisison

vcp1994


Fri Jan 15 2016 9:52 pm EST

clearly Sather stepped in LUCK with the oilers. How could someone go from being that good to such SHIT. If not for the cap he would have continued to buy players. Dam where is Neil Smith at least he won a CUP. Cannot take that away from him. Cant believe he is not a GM somewhere where is the fairness in that. Sather has a lifetime contract for doing nothing. smith wins a CUP in NY of all places with a traded for captain Messier yet smith gets no respect. The world is unfair. Yes smith made mistakes in the end but Sather YIKES.

vcp1994


Fri Jan 15 2016 9:03 pm EST

Vic..and by the Hockey Gods Im not inferring luck, Im inferring they finally start to communicate again.

WIOSA


Fri Jan 15 2016 8:58 pm EST

Vic, first and foremost Im glad you understood the sentiment of my post, since it was a bit convoluted. That said, your post [s] were a lot to digest. For the most part, I agree...and I think that is making me even more depressed over this team The one area I don't agree is the co-ink-a-dink of our team winning the Presidents cup and going to game 7 of the ECF while being an average team, counting on the frailties of opposition. For want of a better description. I do think we were one of the top teams. Of course the question is, how was the competition I think this team is basically the same as last years, and to a certain extent 13's - but that's the painful aspect. We were able to communicate better on the ice, and play off each other. As you said "fire on all cylinders" This year, many times it's a collection of players, with varying levels of talent all dressed alike. I hate to count on the hockey gods for this to come together....it's all so - depressing.

WIOSA


Fri Jan 15 2016 7:49 pm EST

I don't believe in luck. I like Justin Williams take on things. You manufacture luck. Breakdowns don't happen too much in the playoffs, goalies don't give up much, every player sells out their bodies. How do you get lucky? Give the puck eyes. Get to the net, dig for rebounds, let your skill guys find their sweet spots for high % shots. Lucky? Maybe a little but you gotta be skilled, capable, in sync, and earn the right to be lucky. Adam Graves used to attribute his goals as luck. He'd self deprecate. He'd declare that his body bounced pucks in. But the truth is that because of his ability to park himself in front of the goalie and hold it that made him the luckiest player ever.

E


Fri Jan 15 2016 7:06 pm EST

VIC - I'm sorry, but after a week away I am not going tto attempt to read your recent Despotic Discourse on the NYR....... BUT..... " Again, when they are firing on all cylinders they are a very good team. When they are off their game even a little they drop off pretty quickly and they don't have the high end horses to carry them through anyway" is all good enough for me..That's why so much depends on coaching and the creation of a team/identity (which they had the past few years) and the players that can play the coaches and team game (which isn't the case lately)..But, a few smart trades and getting The King back and focused, and this team can still have a long PO run this year...we shall see

Hospo


Fri Jan 15 2016 6:20 pm EST

YORK: Please don't read into what I wrote and take it that I believe it was all luck. That isn't the case at all. Like I said, this is a good team and when they play the system and are in sync and on the same page they are very good. And in each of the two past years they have put together long stretches of games that way. But you can't deny that luck and devine intervention played a huge role in helping them get to the finals. And last year luck played a huge role in keeping them out of the finals. Again, when they are firing on all cylinders they are a very good team. When they are off their game even a little they drop off pretty quickly and they don't have the high end horses to carry them through anyway.

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 5:13 pm EST

VIC you can dismiss all the winning as luck etc to make yourself seem right the problem is they have consistently won and played well till this year consistency means it is not luck three conference finals appearances one Stanley cup appearance a presidents trophy is not luck.

York18


Fri Jan 15 2016 5:12 pm EST

Vic: Yep and that's why I am reluctant to give Sather much praise. He's done some good things but overall he continually misjudged what he had and overplayed his hand. His job for life is his single biggest accomplishment since coming to NY. Pathetic and laughable.

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 3:58 pm EST

BOB: I think we do agree on that...... RF4: BINGO, and those conversations were exactly what I was thinking about when I started writing that DESPOesque post. Instead of bottoming out and getting those pieces through the draft they tried to "cheat" their way to it with the "Competitive Rebuild". Except a Competitive Rebuild doesn't get you those pieces unless you are very lucky. First they went out and tried to spend money to bring those pieces in by signing either big dollar UFA veterans (GOMEZ, DRURY, REDDEN, GABBY, RICHARDS). When that didn't work they went out and spent the assets and draft picks they had to try to bring those pieces in. But again, they went shopping for the Bargain Basement versions of those pieces. The guys who were past their prime (MSL, CLOWE, OZO). The guys who were becoming too expensive for their small market teams and had question marks on them ( NASH). And the dumpster dives to take a flyer on guys labeled as a bust (BRASSARD, POULIOT, ETEM), I'm sure I'm missing a few as well but you get the idea. And the worst part of it all is that after all the money that has been spent and all of the assets and draft picks that have been traded away we are still looking at the same holes. Unbelievable. So depressingly unbelievable.........

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 3:31 pm EST

Vic: Remember a few years ago we used to post about the team's holes (when they were a bubble PO team)? We lamented no true 1) number 1 center 2) power top 6 winger 3) offensive defenseman 4) big physical defenseman. Most cup teams have 3 of those 4. Now look at the current roster: The number 1 center position hasn't been addressed, Rick Nash is the power winger and he's not (Kreider we were hoping would evolve into that this year but he's regressed and may never be more than a 3rd line winger now, Keith Yandle is supposed to be the offensive d-man but he gets bottom pairing minutes in many games and McI is the physical d-man but coach pressboxes him more often than not. When you consider all of this is it that surprising there's no cup yet?

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 3:08 pm EST

Vic: Bro, you out DESPO'd DESPO! Wow. I agree wi H everything except they are not a cup contender as currently configured. Not enough offense, spotty defense and without Henrik in full brick wall mode, no chance.

Bob


Fri Jan 15 2016 2:24 pm EST

So, what are the Rangers this year? I submit that they are basically the same team. Yes, they lost some important pieces on the ice and in the locker room in the off season. Yes, they are 2 years older now and have played a lot of games over that span. But they are still the same team. They are definitely playing disjointed. They have not found their team game and they have players that are struggling individually and collectively. But this is still a good team. It is still a team that has the ability to find its game (it has done so the last two years in the second half of the season). And, I believe it will do just that either late this month or sometime in February. I believe the team will make the playoffs and I still believe they will finish with about 101-103 points. I believe they will come together and play the team game that they have shown over the last two years. But, I don’t believe it will be enough to win a Cup because at the end of the day the Rangers still have the same holes they had two years ago. And they still lack the players who can get them over the hump when all else fails……So my advice to everyone is to just stop “EXPECTING” them to be something they are not. They are not Chicago. They are not a dynasty team. They are a good team that when firing on all cylinders has the ability to go deep into the playoffs IF they get the right matchups, IF they stay healthy, IF they get great goaltending and IF they get some luck breaks. To EXPECT anything more than that is to set yourself up to be very disappointed. And, until they get their game together…until they start playing that team game where they are firing on all cylinders don’t EXPECT them to win much. ……………(the end)

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 2:24 pm EST

So, what were the Rangers in 2014-2015? This is where the problem with “EXPECTAIONS” stems from. Were they a Stanley Cup Caliber team? Well, they won the President’s trophy didn’t they? They swept every Western Conference team in their own building didn’t they? They were one of the top teams in terms of defense and in goals scored weren’t they? And this is where it gets hard. Because the Rangers were basically the same team they were the year before. And they are basically the same team this year. When you really put things in perspective. When you really go back and try to reassess what has happened in the last 24 months and try to make some sense of it what do you come up with. The more I do that the more it comes down to this for me. The Rangers are still the same team they were at the start of the 2013 season in that they still have a team that is constructed around their goaltender and defense corps. They are still a team that is offensively challenged. They lack top tier talented players who not only elevate their game in the playoffs, but make everyone around them better. They lack that young, HOF level talent player or two up front that can carry a team offensively through the playoffs while shutting down the other team’s top players. In that regard NOTHING HAS CHANGED. When I look at the reasons for the Rangers “success” over the last two years it comes down to this for me. When the Rangers play this system as a team it elevates them to a level they cannot attain based on their talent alone. When they are firing on all cylinders they are a dangerous team both offensively and defensively, especially in the regular season. But, when their game is off (even a little) or if HANK isn’t at the top of his game they cannot win. They cannot overcome that because they don’t have the individual players that can put the team on their back. This is what makes this team different then the Cup team of 94’. When that team wasn’t on its game it had guys who could take a game over. It had guys like AK27 who put the team on his back in game 6 against the Devils. It had LEETCH and MESSIER who both carried that team through stretches of the final two rounds. This team doesn’t have those kind of players. ……………(continued)

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 2:24 pm EST

At the start of the 2014-2015 season the Rangers were once again finding their way but were close behind the Islanders for the division lean. Injuries to STEPAN and McDONAGH (who continued to have shoulder issues stemming from the BURROWS hit), plus injuries to most of the D caused issues in the first few months of the season. It wasn’t until Late January that the Rangers really turned it on. They were playing AVs system to a tee and it was creating an environment where the Whole was VERY much better than the Sum Of Their Parts. That run carried them to the President’s trophy, however, the run ended in the last month of the season where they came down to earth a bit in late March losing 3 of 4, before finishing the season strong. The Rangers started the playoffs by struggling to beat a really bad Penguins team. The Rangers weren’t in jeopardy of losing the series but every game was close and the Rangers had trouble scoring goals. In the second round they were on their way to summer fun again down 3 games to 1 to the Caps. But, the Caps have been a choke team for a decade and they choked once again. The Rangers found just enough to win that series with two of the last 3 games won at home in OT. At this point ALL 12 games of the playoffs were decided by 1 goal. The first game in the Conference Finals would be as well. However, injuries and a bad matchup against Tampa did them in. But once again their lack of Offense cost them as they were shut out at home in games 5 and 7. ……………(continued)

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 2:24 pm EST

The Rangers squeaked by a horrible Filthy team in the first round. In the second round they were on their way to summer fun down 3 games to 1 to the Pens when MSL’s Mom died. The Rangers rallied around that and beat the Pens. Then they got the Christmas gift of the decade when Montreal beat the Bruins. The Bruins OWNED the Rangers and most likely would have battered them into summer fun as they were the President’s trophy winner that year. Montreal, who was then and continues to be the most over-rated team in the league, was a great matchup for the Rangers who won in 6 games after PRICE was lost in game 1. So the Rangers make it to the Finals against the Kings. The Rangers were the better team for much of that series but their luck ran out on them. Some bad bounces, some bad calls and the inability to score did them in. That lack of Offensive talent that had been an issue before was still a problem………….. So, what were the Rangers? Were they a Stanley Cup caliber team? Not in my eyes at that time. They were similar to the 06 Oilers in my eyes. A good team that got on a good roll, got great matchups, outstanding goaltending and a lot of bounces in the first few rounds to make it to the Cup Finals. ……………(continued)

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 2:23 pm EST

WIOSA: Honestly, I think the issues that many have with this team all come down to what their "EXPECTATIONS" were. A lot of those expectations were set based on the results of the last two years, and more importantly the interpretation of just what we saw and why. I know that sounds like mumbo jumbo but I do have a point. This is going to be a long few posts that restate history and try to look at it another way………………… Let’s rewind the clock back to the start of the 2013-1014 season. The Rangers missed the playoffs the year before. AV was the new head coach. He was trying to instill a different system on a team that was built pretty much to play defense first, second and third. And, it had previously made a run to the Conference Finals based on outstanding goaltending and a defensive approach to the game. Offensively it was opportunistic but just about everyone agreed that the Rangers were short on offensive talent. At the start of the 2013-2014 season most of us here believed that the team would be a playoff bubble team. The Rangers were away from home because of the Garden Renovation that year. Camp, preseason and the start of the season were all impacted. The Rangers were HORRIBLE to start the season. It looked like they were lottery bound and then NASH got concussed again. But, through November and December the Rangers started adapting to and playing AV's system. Starting in December (IIRC) the Rangers went on a run. That run saw them turn their season around and it helped them to make the playoffs finishing 2nd in their division (5th in the east) by 2 points over a bad Filthy team. They finished 3 points higher than the 8th seed. So, in reality, they were a playoff bubble team. But, they were playing well going into the playoffs with the exception of McDONAGH who was injured late in the season on the BURROWS hit……………(continued)

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 2:23 pm EST

Get ready for my DESPO post of the year. I will do it in multi-part form.

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 1:41 pm EST

HF is in the midst of publishing their ratings on teams' prospects. It comes as no surprise that the Rangers are near the bottom, but not at the bottom. They sit at 27 ahead of Colorado, NJ and Pittsburgh.

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 1:03 pm EST

Hearing rumours this AM that a Drouin deal may be getting close. St Louis and the Ducks are considered the front runners but apparently the Rangers are still interested. I've no idea what it'll cost but Tampa is not in a position to take on salary. Skeji and Kreider perhaps?

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 11:05 am EST

Vic- I was pissed at that back pass to(it was 'Quickie'). I have no idea how Horton thought that Fast was a good replacement for Hags. Although he has pace (not as much as Hags) he doesn't come anywhere near the explosion that Hags has to get to top speed. I just don't get it. Fast is a slow average 3rd liner. As for Hayes, HE HIMSELF SAID that the reason for the great 2nd half last year was because playing with Hags. He attributed it to Hags backing people up and giving him more room to make plays. Not to harp on this again but they screwed the pooch. Their forward lines are Shiite as they presently stand. Not even playoff caliber. The islanders were able to COMPLETELY contain them in the 3rd. They have to make a significant move to either jump into the fray this year or to bow out and plan for a rebuild. This is not going to magically improve. It's like watching the Knicks and the Giants this year; while the former shows some signs that it can put it together and become dangerous, the latter never shied that with a horribly assembled roster (not TC's fault)

_Arc


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:57 am EST

rangerlou: LOLOL....so perhaps I will get to see you - when the brawl starts - surely the cameras will take that all in!! LOLOL...

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:51 am EST

RF4L My wife will be wearing a Graves Jersey. My son will be wearing a Henrik Lundqvist Jersey. His Girlfriend will be wearing a Zuccarello Jersey. I wil be in all Black for Security. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:22 am EST

rangerlou: I'll be watching on TV. What will you be wearing so I can see you when you wave at the cameras?

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:19 am EST

We will be attending The Rangers VS Flyers game Tomorrow at Philly. Anyone making that trip??

rangerlou


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:17 am EST

BTW, I didn't see the game but wholly support McI taking a penalty in reaction to his goalie being whacked. That's a penalty the team should have killed.

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:04 am EST

The fact that sMegma is still up and getting top 6 minutes shows you how desperately needed another legitimate top 6 forward is. Maybe that's AV"s not to subtle way of complaining to the sit on his hands GM that the roster needs help....

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 10:02 am EST

MFred....totally agree. I said when he was recalled and when so many went ga-ga after his first game that there's a reason he didn't make the team out of camp and past thru waivers untouched (and was hardly tearing up the AHL when he was recalled). He's a bubble NHLer, not a top 6 forward on a team with cup aspirations (lol). Play the rookie for crying out loud.

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 9:52 am EST

Someone explain to me why Megna (sp) is out on the PP? or why he's not back in Hartford? Clearly not the answer.....and Lindberg riding the pine is stupid.

MelvilleFred


Fri Jan 15 2016 8:56 am EST

Philly and Washington next - I sense 2 more loses...

RF4L


Fri Jan 15 2016 8:51 am EST

As I have posted previously, there needs to be some changes . I would start with Girardi. He can not be faulted for a loss in which he did not play but he clearly does not fit in with the tempo that this team is attempting. No trade clauses can be overcome. A string of healthy scratches does a lot to change perspectives. Waivers even does more.

gene_carr


Fri Jan 15 2016 8:27 am EST

Vic, I find my eyes and heart see different things while watching this ranger team. Normally enjoyable hockey that three years ago would've been fun. Im looking at a Stanley Cup Champion team, and there is no room for a moral victory in a Stanley Cup Champion team. So, I am not happy that a forward weve been waiting all year to realize he is a forward set up our ONE goal. He also gave away their tying goal and tried like hell to do it again, but Brooklyn would have no part of it. Our PK is like 15th or 16th in the league, therefore on a NHL team trying to improve you go for it...on a Stanley Cup Champion team you realize you cant kill a penalty so you don't take stupid penalties Dylan. I guess it's my prejudice that is not seeing what I need to see from this team. As NN said, theyre not a SC team, theyre a .500 club. Hard to swallow.

WIOSA


Fri Jan 15 2016 7:29 am EST

Folks can take it out on HAYES if you like but the truth is that he created the only goal that the Rangers did score. Minus that brain fart play he had actually had a good game. He had some good shots. He was skating hard and was even hitting much harder then he has in the past all game. On one shift he through a monster hit on GRABOSKI (IIRC). HAYES isn't back to where he was after the All Star Break last year but he seems to have turned things around since his benching. He has been much more effective and is starting to score now. I haven't heard anyone mention the other brain fart play that was made last night that really cost them the game. I don't recall who it was (maybe KLEIN?) but the Rangers were killing off the McILRATH penalty in the 3rd. They were doing a great job of keeping the puck in the Islander end and hit it under control near the blue line after it was down behind the Islander goal. Instead of dumping it right back in deep the Ranger in question decided to throw the puck all the way back into the Rangers end. I don't mind throwing the puck back to someone to maintain control of the puck when on the PK. But this was different. There was nobody there and the puck came all the way back into the Rangers end. The Islanders pounced on it like it was a dump in and recovered the puck. It never left the Rangers end as the Islanders scored on that PP. Look, there were many mistakes that were made last night. There were many chances to score that the Rangers just failed to execute a simple shot or play on. There were again way too many shots passed up. The Rangers did play a decent game in the first two and it was exciting to watch but the first two periods reeked of the first month of the season. The Islanders may not have had many scoring chances but the ones they were getting were ridiculous Grade A, point blank scoring chances with no Ranger defender in sight. HANK was brilliant. So while it looked like the Rangers were playing good D, if you just looked at the score, there were surrendering quality scoring chances and were being bailed out by HANK again. And again, the PP was the difference in the game. The Rangers failed to score on theirs while the Islanders did score on their chances.

Vic


Fri Jan 15 2016 7:07 am EST

1) This was exactly what the Rangers are this season. Good enough to win most nights. Bad enough in big spots to lose most nights. Lack of discipline at times. Enormous breakdowns or giveaways at times. And now the old bugaboo, which had disappeared for a while, the inability to score a power-play goal in a big spot. Not to mention the inability to kill a penalty in a big spot. 2) All of these things are why the Rangers haven’t won two in a row since Nov. 21-23. Why, even though they have certainly made strides the last eight games, they are not out of their December funk. Why, even the rational among you wonder if this is going to be just a season of mediocrity or worse. Why I’m thinking my golf clubs could come out earlier this year than the past four years. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/01/15/rangers-islanders-in-review-20/#sthash.Dr3R61Zv.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Jan 15 2016 6:16 am EST

Nyr Players and coaches alike with their we had some good looks mantra also forgot they were made or are looking bad. They are blowing games rather than losing them, there is a difference . They are handing points away like candy on Halloween ... And losing points like they have Alzheimer's ....

stevielegs


Fri Jan 15 2016 5:30 am EST

During the stretch we are in, when Girardi severely mishandling the puck, the puck don't end up in front of Hank were he can poke check it away and everyone yells at Girardi for 15 seconds before its forgotten, it ends up on the blade of AO 3 feet infront of a open net. That is just the way this game is, up and down. A good team can overcome it.

Ola


Fri Jan 15 2016 5:28 am EST

My point is -- among other things -- don't evaluate Kevin Hayes on how he is playing right now. Every career is up and down.

Ola


Fri Jan 15 2016 5:26 am EST

In this profession, you cannot talk about luck or deserving something or not. But facts are, that anyone having watched the game a long time can underwrite, that when you struggle you struggle. It might not notice as much when you are confident and winning, but then it goes your way instead. We had an extremely tough stretch. It don't take much "luck" to keep the lead against Washington and win the game last night. But, this November 15'-January 16' we are struggling. Things are not going our way. Hayes is struggling, he ends up giving away 2 pts instead of just maybe giving the puck away to have Yandle clear it and it would be remebered for a few minutes and not more. Washington ends up scoring that goal instead of just getting close. We need to work hard to get things going our way instead.

Ola


Fri Jan 15 2016 5:21 am EST

So our PP was the best in the league when Stepan was out and then becomes the worst in the league again when Stepan returns? Big surprise...

Ola


Thu Jan 14 2016 11:52 pm EST

That's "count 'em "

MelvilleFred


Thu Jan 14 2016 11:32 pm EST

WIOSA.....I said the same thing to myself....McI will sit unless someone gets injured. So let me see here The Brooklinites were missing 2 of their best D and we manage 1 count 'me 1 Goal!! Kreider continues to dissapoint, played pretty well but you can see he's just not a smart player and he may never score again. Hayes givith and Hayes taketh away. I can't believe Lindbergh is sitting. I'll continue my mantra, this team as presently constructed will struggle to make the playoffs. Oh.....and Nash once again shut out and Yandle is a lame duck player. Really disappointing loss.......Flyers ascending and then the Caps.....and doesn't it just seem that it's their year. They finally have the right coach and solid personnel.

MelvilleFred


Thu Jan 14 2016 10:40 pm EST

RF4L: The magic is definitely gone and AV's strange coaching this year doesn't help. I personally think, the best thing would be to miss the playoffs and maybe that would wake up the management team that they need more than these bandaid fixes the last few years; though Gorton is stuck between a rock and a hard place with the bad contracts, aging players who have played alot of hockey the last few years. I don't have a clue how he is going to fix these problems, and guess that's why he is making the big bucs.

DOUBLEN


Thu Jan 14 2016 10:31 pm EST

FWIW, this loss was the first since Nov 2013 that the Ranger lost when leading after 2 periods. That's quite remarkable. On the other hand, it's another indication that the magic is over....

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:52 pm EST

NN....I posted something similar after the Boston game. I dunno what it'll take before reality sets in: Whatever magic they had (and it was fun and fabulous when it lasted) is now gone I think.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:49 pm EST

Next game veenyo should double shift gabby Hayes and put him out for any pp for its entirety ... He is without a doubt the #1 star if the game for the fishstinks ...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:43 pm EST

They are what they are... .500 hockey team. I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't tell you how many games I just lose interest in watching them play.

DOUBLEN


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:40 pm EST

FUCK AV...MCLRATH my HERO

vcp1994


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:39 pm EST

Two periods we dominate and then we shoot our LOAD

rangerlou


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:36 pm EST

Where the FU@K is our DIGNITY

rangerlou


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:35 pm EST

When was the last time we won two in a row? November?

WIOSA


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:33 pm EST

Time for a shakeup. This team needs a slap in the face

tlats


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:32 pm EST

Their, not theyre

WIOSA


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:31 pm EST

I feel im going to PUKE that stromboli i had hours ago!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:31 pm EST

Horrible loss

tlats


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:31 pm EST

We have no pride. win one, lose one....I hate this goddamn team. Theyre Captain out and said " I don't care who wins the Stanley Cup as long as the Rangers are out". Win one, lose one, They just passed us in the standings again too. lousy team

WIOSA


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:30 pm EST

This is again horrible coaching....Why we have an AHLer in and Lindberg sitting??????? Why play Glass ??? Is Nash ever going to play like he should

rngrsans


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:28 pm EST

Is it me or does the sMegma magic seem like 2 years ago now?? LOLOL...

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:26 pm EST

Does anyone have the balls to take the f'n puck to the net? We just fling poor angle shots and nobody is in front anyway....

RDW


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:25 pm EST

Hey I'm Coaching here I'm ratso veenyo... Gabby looks like he bongs before the game... Sta megna score on top line then gets changed...

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:17 pm EST

Put cheesy back in sit gabby

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:12 pm EST

Fire the coach!!!!!! This team clearly aren't playing like a team wanting to win....Nash needs to go to

rngrsans


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:11 pm EST

Megna P.I. on the power play really?

tlats


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:11 pm EST

Who's more fd up Hayes or veenyo for putting him out there to pass to nobody ... That kid has to go

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:08 pm EST

Big Mac will get pined and Hayes more ice time

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:07 pm EST

Bye Dylan

rngrsans


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:07 pm EST

Oh boy,.....

WIOSA


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:06 pm EST

They score now, Dylan will never see another game

WIOSA


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:05 pm EST

That was god awful....Hayes..really???? The team is alive now

rngrsans


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:05 pm EST

Think Hayes has a slow mo brain if that

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:03 pm EST

Trade gabby Hayes please

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:50 pm EST

You HAVE TO KEEP Big Mac, Megna & Glass in this lineup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:44 pm EST

Stevie...took the words right out of my mouth. LOL. Really a bit of a feisty game here. Wth was Clutterwhatever doing screaming at the trainer? Did you see Yandle just wave him off? Weird

WIOSA


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:41 pm EST

Big Mac makes hockey better

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:38 pm EST

Staal he stays lol

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:36 pm EST

Have to agree with E here. The prize coming from SJ is Burns. They won't be dealing by him. And this is a significant overpay by the Rangers. I would not trade JT at this time. Also not excited about trading McD and unless you are getter by Pavelski, (you aren't), no thank you. I don't see these two as great trade partners, not for that group of players. Not a bad effort though.

Bob


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:33 pm EST

As for the "C" thing. I think that is totally overblown by the media. There was some toxicity in the locks-room but it was more or less generational and some of the yutes supposedly had some maturity issues. But that worked itself out. I think the swirl around that franchise is so much greater then inside.

E


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:33 pm EST

Moof right up your pastures

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:28 pm EST

SJ won't be looking for much. They continue to retool by looking for youngish NHL level talent. There is forever that Marleau + Thornton thing but I don't think they wanna be traded and I don't think SJ is overly enthusiastic about moving them. Likely, they will age out and there will be forever rumors about them. You will have to pay a kings ransom for Burns who is the heart and soul of the team so I cannot really imagine them wanting to move him.

E


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:23 pm EST

Jumbo Joe & Marleau fill our needs now and for next season... I'd like the trade a lot better if we could trade Staal & Girardi over McDonagh & Girardi......

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:21 pm EST

JFC: then perhaps we insert Kreider & take out Miller from the trade proposal Stevie offered up....... We've heard rumblings the last two seasons about stripping Jumbo Joe of the "C" and them wanting to turn the team over to Pavelski & the youth movement... They have also made public Marleau wasn't giving 100% & talks of trade... Well, Krieder & Stepan (before his NMC or NTC kicks in) continues their youth movement but is lopsided in their favor... Adding McDonagh & Girardi for Burns evens this out and perhaps a pick or prospect one way or another is whats needed to balance this thing out.... Very interesting proposal there SLegs, one of your best IMO.....

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:16 pm EST

40 games left ... Take your time veenyoyo

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:15 pm EST

You can't teach a player how to finish. Kreider simply will not be what we all hoped he would be because he simply can't finish....it's a damn shame. Rangers should seriously think about using him as a trade chip before the rest of the league figures it out, too.

JFC31


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:13 pm EST

Moof it's probably a moofpoint .... Find a mooftube

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:08 pm EST

StLegs: need to get some feedback from some of the West Coast guys here like E & Bob to hear what their take on SJ is regarding trades... Very interesting though, very interesting

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 7:54 pm EST

Good period for our NY Rangers. We should be up by two goals minimum!!!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 14 2016 7:03 pm EST

Moof I'd like to propose a trade in your style... Aka a moofer... McDonagh, Girardi, Stepan & JT Miller for Burns, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau.. We would take on $19,177,000 in salary, they would take on $17,570,000 for a difference of $1,607,000 Which we could manage… We’d have Burns as our RHS puck moving Dman, Yankle as our LHS puck moving Defenseman… Jumbo Joe lining up between Nash & Marleau for starters and we figure out the lines from there. San Jose wants to get younger and turn the team over to Pavelski, Stepan is properly cast as a 2nd line center behind Pavelski. This is a win win for both clubs…. Girardi would have to accept being moved to San Jose for this to work.

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 6:11 pm EST

If STAAL & YANDLE can handle 1st & 2nd line minutes on the Left Side, we could look at multi player trades... jmo again

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 6:09 pm EST

Wheeler is a great idea but it took awhile for him to come into his own and wheeler is way more physical than Hayes.

York18


Thu Jan 14 2016 6:08 pm EST

I'd love all those calling to trade McD explain how this team is better with a supposed elite young center and mjnus McD now with girardi being still dragging the D down even worse because McD isn't there to cover up for him.

York18


Thu Jan 14 2016 6:02 pm EST

OLA: The Wheeler comparison is eerily on point... Both are listed as 6'5" 225lbs..... We should only get so lucky.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4852

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:58 pm EST

moof let the gorton fishboy make the deal and get more than a top 6 since capt parmenter is an all star.....2 forwards picks prospects and a partridge in a pear tree....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:55 pm EST

Andrei trading mcd is not rebuilding, it's getting a top 6 forward in return ....he'll be missed...bye-bye.....maybe he wants to go home to Minnesota .....land of 10,000 lakes to jump into.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:49 pm EST

Stevie: you been sippin the water out of the Gowanus again? I warned ya bout that... You don't need to trade McDonagh to land a 2nd line wing....

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:45 pm EST

stevielegs, not that simple. This is not EA NHL 2016 video game. If you want a complete rebuild, maybe. Complete rebuild is the only case, when Mac will be traded. So is Hank. Say, we trade everyone. Who are you going to build around and how long do you think the rebuild will take? Let me ask you another question, Are you seriously ready to endure 7-8 years of mediocrity before you have a foundation build?? Put Hawks and Kings aside. What other team that have done a complete rebuild have had any success last 4-5 years?

andrei


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:36 pm EST

Andrei good, tell the capt parmenter to take one for his soon to be former team...and thanks for blowing game 7 against Tampa in the finals for thinking he's indispensable by playing with a broken foot....was brokenfoot on f-troop?......newsflash no one is indispensable .....trade his ass to get a top 6 forward......

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:33 pm EST

mf, i don't see teams lining up for Girardi's services at $5,5 per. Most teams who would be interested, in Giradi, are the top teams, and most have salary cap issues as is. We can all agree that he is no longer top pair d-man. At $5.5, he is overpaid. However, say Rangers will be willing to pick up part, or a 1/2 of his salary. Now, at $3-$3.5 mil, as a second line d-man, he will have a lot of teams interested. We might even get a premium return for him.

andrei


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:30 pm EST

""IF"" STAAL will accept a trade, I'd seriously look to package him with STEPAN.....

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:25 pm EST

Andrei: Girardi's contract isn't terrible. He's signed at $5.5mill for four additioanl years after this one. His NMC or NTC in addition to the amount of dollars we have committed to our defense, in addition to Hank, is the killer..... Girardi's having an off year, he's banged up and & slowing down, if we ate $1mill of Girardi's remaining 4 yrs, I bet teams would be inquiring... RHS Dmen like Girardi command a little premium too....

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:23 pm EST

Steve, Ryan McDonagh, Limited No Trade Clause (2016-2018).

andrei


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:20 pm EST

Hayes reminds me of Blake Wheeler. Boston dumped Wheeler AND Stuart for Rich Peverly. Wheeler is one of the best forwards in the game right now, like not top 5 but top 15-30 at least.

Ola


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:20 pm EST

where was it reported mcd has a ntc?

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:15 pm EST

stevielegs, Capt Mac is another player that won't be traded anytime soon. Let's look around the league and let's see how often a 25 year old team captain is traded while having 4 years left on the contract? Well, never. Can't see under any condition, any time soon, Rangers management going to Mac and asking him to waive a NTC.... Girardi is another story. I'm sure if we cover 1/2 of the Girardi's contract, he still got a very good value around a league as a 2nd/3rd pair d-man...

andrei


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:11 pm EST

Patrick Mullen: Career AHL'er http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2775

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:09 pm EST

mf, put down the crack pipe, dude. Hank will retire as a Ranger, I was advocating trading for Lean as part of the original Talbot deal. That was the time to get him. Every day, i hate Stepan signing more and more...

andrei


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:07 pm EST

Stepan: quit hanging on, your hair is gone. Own it and get a Bic

E


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:07 pm EST

Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport Girardi (hand) is out. McIlrath is in. Brassard will play, so Lindberg is scratched tonight in Brooklyn.

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:06 pm EST

Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay “@CapFriendly: OTT trades Patrick Mullen to NAS for Conor Allen... https://twitter.com/Media_Sens/status/687729698906992640 …”/former Ranger

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:03 pm EST

moof = moot ? ...mootube? ....moof point ...moot point...don't point.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:02 pm EST

girardi is not going to Hartford except maybe if asked and he agrees to go for conditioning.....he's not driving his Bentley to Hartford to stay there......capt mcd has the most tradable contract, and gets the biggest return of any nyr....they have 2 guys in Hartford to call up if they trade him.....and can do some moves with some forwards by getting a top 6 in return.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:01 pm EST

with-out needing to settle down the puck

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 5:00 pm EST

""effin -- ventin "" continued: I watched LINDBERG score last game and it was a thing of beauty... A thing of beauty because the guy basically shot a one-timer with needing to settle the puck down nor tee it up.... Question: Is this guy a center and only a center? If so and he stays a Ranger, we only consider him in the pivot.... HAYES: This guy reminds me of Geoffrey Giraffe, tall, lanky, a little awkward looking in an adolescent way.... However, if this kid is still filling out (aka: growing into his body) he's liable to grow into one heck a dominating player in this league.. His reach and wingspan is huge, his ability to play keep-away way above average, he sees the ice real well, however his downside seems to be that he holds onto the puck too long & for too many of his possessions... (help me out here I certainly don't have the the best hockey sense) ... So, do we hold onto HAYES because he could be this franchises first line center down the road??? ..... This leaves Fast, Miller, Kreider as trade bait ......... Can we trade them for LADD the rental & Drew Stafford??? The Dollars don't work, but I actually believe we could compete for a cup this year with those two......

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 4:43 pm EST

Y18 et al: Picking up a 3rd pair Left Side defenseman should not be that difficult.... After crunching & re-crunching numbers, it would be optimal if we could move both STAAL & GIRARDI and get Yandle signed. (jmon) .... A guy like John Moore (who I liked, perhaps coach Froggy had a bone of contention with the kid) would be absolutely acceptable as 3rd pair LD, especially as a way to unwind this mess we're in. (again, just my opinion) ..... As for the offense and the 1st line prototypical and young first line center..... There's one guy left in the conversation, and his name is LEON DRAISAITL.. What are the odds of getting him? Slim to none is the answer! ...... Does Edmonton want Hank & Stepan for Draisaitl & Talbot ??? For one they'd be taking on a net $12.5 mill in cap dollars (this would change slightly next year depending on what the Oilers have to pay their goalie) So this aint happening either..... If I'm the Oilers, I aint trading DRAISAITL they hit the 1st line center lottery with this kid... They're more likely to trade the "softer" RNH and he's more of the Stepan / Brassard cloth we already have..... So, since we have a solid backstop, depth in the defense, decent centers, we need to bolster the wings.... I'm just ""effin - ventin ""

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 4:33 pm EST

mf... it seldom turns out the way it does in the song

Gibbo


Thu Jan 14 2016 4:28 pm EST

The NY Rangers best have a sit down and find the internal fortitude to pull their play together, and be accountable to one another, man to man, shift to shift....... The collective body that is this RFC Wall has sifted through a multitude of trade scenarios, and acquiring this one, or trading that one, isn't gonna change jack-shit in my opinion... Each Ranger has to bring their best effort every day, and it's up to the coaches to manage the team with what they have to work with at the given point in time... I trust management monitors the pulse of the squad.... If it doesn't come from within, it ain't coming..... End of rant. Clueless maybe, but ""once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places when you look at it right."" The G.D.......

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 4:22 pm EST

First how do you deal with a NTC you tell said player you can be traded to a list of teams you like or rot in the press box for your career don't bother coming to practice. VIC depth on D where? You remove McD and leave girardi this D becomes weak in an instant and one of the strengths are now a weakness. Replacing stall or girardi easy this team has no kefty ds ready for first line D. RF73 first removing girardi alone is addition by subtraction getting a young elite center is nice McD won't get you that not at this time and an elite center is great but now you have to shuffle the deck and trade one of Hayes stall brassard to make room. VIC an unstoppable force doesn't have to be a center so many are fixated on the idea that the elite player has to be a center but Kane has been ckutch for Chicago he's a winger. One other thing you're right they didn't score but they were in every game because of the defense remove the best defenseman and you now have girardi who is the problem playing with who? So instead if losing 2-1 we can lost 6-3 doesn't sound any better

York18


Thu Jan 14 2016 3:58 pm EST

RF73: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Mj2t9RnFg

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 3:43 pm EST

YORK 18...totally agree w. your Giradi vs. McD comments. But the NMC makes getting him to do anything difficult.

MelvilleFred


Thu Jan 14 2016 3:00 pm EST

mf - So if I follow that logic...we trade Girardi for some banged up pucks and we win the Cup?...Do it, do it...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDYcCDOTg

RF73


Thu Jan 14 2016 2:16 pm EST

V, t/y.....

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 2:12 pm EST

MF: My understanding is that in a Full NMC or NTC there are no options. The team can approach the player and ask the player to waive their NMC or NTC but they cannot make a move without permission being granted by the player. When a contract has a Limited NMC or NTC the player has supplied a list of teams that they would accept a trade to. The organization does not have to ask permission to trade a player to a team on their list. And, as with a Full NMC or NTC they can ask the player to waive the clause to trade them to a team not on the list but the player must approve the trade. As for ROSI..........ROSI didn't win those Cups. He was there when those Cups were won.....;-)

Vic


Thu Jan 14 2016 2:05 pm EST

Michal Rozsival wasn't worth a bag of banged up pucks either... Somehow he went on to win two cups with Chi-Town....

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:55 pm EST

McDonagh vs. Girardi debate …Here’s the difference…Girardi has a NMC/NTC, McDonagh does not; Girardi is not worth a bag of used pucks in return, McDonagh might land you a young, elite #1 Center…unless Gorton really is a “genius” and can get a young, elite #1 Center for a used bag of pucks?

RF73


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:53 pm EST

I thought that with an NMC & or an NTC the players still need to give a list of X number of teams that they would accept a trade to... Can someone here who knows please edumacate me on this? thank you.... Vic: if you happen to find my mind, don't let me know, I'm having too much fun without it! ;>)

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:30 pm EST

LEO: I saw that little note as well. I don't think BROOKS was responding to anything posted from here. It was the scuttlebutt last week that was being tossed about in the NHL rumor mill. I'm sure he was responding to that. But it still wouldn't surprise me if ATKINSON ended up in a Ranger uniform at some point.

Vic


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:28 pm EST

YORK: I lost my mind a long time ago....:-)... Actually, I'm not suggesting trading McDONAGH. However, if he does get moved there better be a young, Elite #1 Center coming back. And if that were to happen I don't know that they would be worse off. In fact, if I had the choice between having McDONAGH or having a young, Elite #1 Center I go with the Center every time. I like McDONAGH but he is not DOUGHTY or KEITH. I think the Rangers have so much defensive depth that they could survive without McDONAGH. On the other hand not have a #1 Center has hurt this team in the playoffs the last two years. When the playoffs come they don't have that guy that is an unstoppable force. And as a result their offense gets shut down. They didn't lose to the Kings two years ago, and to the Lightning last year because they couldn't defend. They lost because they couldn't score.

Vic


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:17 pm EST

Say, VIC - I noticed in Larry Brooks article yesterday he replied to your Thu Jan 7 2016 9:36 am Atkinson "Tradar" post: "2. As Gorton and his staff scour the market and maintain keen interest in Jonathan Drouin, we can report that trustworthy sources have told The Post the team has not inquired even once about Columbus winger Cam Atkinson."

LeoS


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:12 pm EST

I'm fully on board with the moving G plan! NMCs make it trickier to send people to the minors, though. If you agree to that, you may as well just accept a trade.

LeoS


Thu Jan 14 2016 1:03 pm EST

OLA: Great clip about Alice, thank you... Here's who Arlo Guthrie is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvMS_ykiLiQ

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 12:54 pm EST

Does anyone here know for sure whether sending GIRARDI to Hartford remove his "Cap Hit?" ........ Can we do the same with STAAL? thank you

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 12:37 pm EST

Trading girardi isn't that hard give a list of teams or go to Hartford and ride the bus end of story. He's been a warrior but he's compensated well he drives a rolls so he isn't playing for peanuts its time to say thank you and good luck. Anyone suggesting trading McD is losing their mind you trade him and keep girardi and this team does not get any better only a lot worse.

York18


Thu Jan 14 2016 11:37 am EST

Moot anyways - the time to acquire him was last year or the year before. The Rangers missed the boat on him.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 11:36 am EST

mf: Yes, but he's learning how to avoid such hits. He's played every game this year so far (scoring at about a point per game rate).

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 11:33 am EST

RF: Taylor Hall article from 3 days ago... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/taylor-hall-got-crushed-again-may-be-a-magnet-for-devastating-hits/

mf


Thu Jan 14 2016 10:30 am EST

Mindless loyalty to aging and slowing veterans who are much beloved has been the downfall of many coaches, hockey or otherwise.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 10:06 am EST

rf4l something has to be done before the deadline...and not some get bozo deal...here comes moof with a mooftube.....girardi should get less minutes and paired with his old partner staal, otherwise with yandle....but he should not come back until really ready....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:53 am EST

York- agree that Girardi is hurting the team right now- AV has the perfect excuse to sit him and won't. I don't know how you get around the no trade and get him to agree on a deal, but you have to try. I think Yandle will be dealt, creating a mess - but maybe G will agree to a team to be dealt to. He is very popular with his teammates and has been a warrior his entire career- so will be tough- but it's a business at the end of the day

puckyou


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:24 am EST

Vic: Ooh...interesting. That would rock the hockey world for sure. Worth considering without a doubt, but something that could be done at the draft.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 9:21 am EST

STEPAN and McDONAGH for DRAISAITL and EBERLY????

Vic


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:53 am EST

With Edmonton, I'd ask for Hall (won't get him) with RNH as the fallback player.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:50 am EST

stevie: I doubt he's available, but if I'm shopping McD, I give Joe Sakic a call about Nate MacKinnon with a fallback position being Matt Duchene.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:46 am EST

BTW, I am not sure when Stepan's NMC kicks in - could be July 1. IMO, Gorton needs to seriously think about what that means given how badly he's now handcuffed with the NMC aspect of Staal and Girardi's deals. I guess it depends on how this season ends up playing out. A non-PO finish or a quick PO exit to me puts everything in question, including ALL players and when looking at who to move, Stepan's pending NMC should not be dismissed lightly. He can be moved at the draft, however, if need be so unless something mind-boggling develops in ongoing trade talks, there is a little bit of time to postpone that decision.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:42 am EST

york: Re move Staal and/or Girardi: I concur but those damn NMC Sather gave both are killers. That said, it can be done, but does Gorton have the gonads to approach either and firmly suggest they seriously consider giving him a list of possible destinations? Tough call. Stupid contracts.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 8:20 am EST

RF McD plays way better with Klein and its no coincidence so do the top lines. Girardi is killing this team and the premise of one player bringing a team down is very possible. His play immediately alters the game in momentum. You spend most of the time chasing the puck and your offense can't get going your scoring chances drop as well. Girardi is not built for this system and he just very well be regressing to boot. No coincidence IMO girardi should be moved before anyone truky catches on slide kelin up and let wrath play. You free up salary and it gives the option of keeping yandle if wanted though I don't think AV cares for him considering his playing time. Girardi and stall should be targets for moving not jelin or McD.

York18


Thu Jan 14 2016 7:57 am EST

york: Good point. And tell me why please, AV keeps putting Girardi out there when he's got a viable option in McI, even when Girardi is ailing? Geesh. And dammit, why didn't Sather listen to me 2 years ago and trade Girardi when he was angling for his new deal? Double geesh.

RF4L


Thu Jan 14 2016 7:41 am EST

RF as stated by I forgot who McD suffers being paired with girardi. Having puck possession of 38% is horrible and who ever is paired with girardi is also having the same problem. Hard to blossom while chasing the puck all game. Girardi has regressed badly and its hurting McD. His puck possession instantly goes to 53% not paired with girardi who he has no real chemistry with which speaks volumes. Also this explains why our top lines are struggling if you have the puck 38% of the time its hard to score

York18


Thu Jan 14 2016 4:15 am EST

MF- Lol "Alro Guthrie"... I don't know who he is, but to be honest, I would jump on any move about the life of someone named "Alro Guthrie" alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrfovOPcjk

Ola


Wed Jan 13 2016 11:07 pm EST

stevie: That's a good question. I want Hall but I know I won't get him. After that to be honest, I want Darnell Nurse+ something, but that doesn't make any sense.

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 11:00 pm EST

Rf4l who would you accept from them for Capt mcd ? I'm pretty sure they can get 1-2 forwards that would drastically improve the nyr offense .... Assuming veenyo would understand what he needs to do to his system to make that happen...

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 10:49 pm EST

stevie: I am certain the Oilers would say no. Hall is emerging into a top 10 player, if he's not there already. The window to get him has passed and won't open for a long time. As Gorton just did when Johansen was available (and many experts insisted he wasn't available), with Hall, Sather was asleep at the wheel. Opportunity lost.

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 10:19 pm EST

Moof haven't caught up with your Moof tubes today...

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 10:17 pm EST

Whole hole

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 10:14 pm EST

Rf4l what do you think the oilers would offer if fishboy called them offering Capt parmenter? I think getting hall would be a good possibility . Would you make that trade straight up? The whole on d might not be completely filled but I think the nyr could survive that trade and have a better chance to win the cup.... This year ....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 9:39 pm EST

The more I read about this team, watch this team, and think about where we are with our vets....I am more and more convinced we need a coach who will hold vets accountable and bench Girardi, Staal, Kid K and Nash. We need to fire our coach ASAP to salvage the season (see LA in 2012) and make a trade for a top 6 forward

rngrsans


Wed Jan 13 2016 8:20 pm EST

I thought Sam wore the toupee' not JD... I'm so confused

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 8:18 pm EST

Slegs: McDonagh is going nowhere.... Get back to the "trade-a-way-tor" and try again....... BTW: I'm rather impressed with today's mootube selections, you?

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 8:15 pm EST

Rob Sam to pay JD

E


Wed Jan 13 2016 8:13 pm EST

3 years ago McDonagh & Co. were playing for Torturella under a much more defensive oriented system... Me thinks McDonagh is much better suited for that kind of approach.... Same with Girardi & Staal... jmon

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 7:55 pm EST

stevie: I am disappointed with the progress in general of McD - what we saw 3 years ago hasn't blossomed and I wonder at this point if it ever will. That said he is still a legitimate top pairing d-man. I get your thoughts on trading him, but if they do, the bounty in return had better be considerable. His absence will leave a huge hole on the backline, which I can accept if the return is right. I want a Taylor Hall type player back if he's going to be traded.

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 7:53 pm EST

STEVIE: You keep saying it but I don't see the Rangers moving McDONAGH under any circumstances this year.

Vic


Wed Jan 13 2016 7:30 pm EST

Trade McDonaugh get a top 6 forward ...fishboy can't get a top 6 any other way ... If he could he would .. I'm from Missouri show me .. In the meantime I'm from misery ...because they have been showing me ... I'm so tired I hardly slept a wink I'm so tired my mind is on the blink ... I'm tired too ... Tired of the Nyr bs excuses ....from all sources ...

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 7:22 pm EST

rob Peter to pay Paul

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 6:36 pm EST

VCP, Mike Keenan? Hell no. That man was negotiating a new deal with another team while our team was fighting to win the Stanley Cup. And it was not a walk in the park. If I want anyone from that era Ill take Neil Smith, who knew Keenan would give him hell, and that he would pay for trading away everything for veterans that would bring him the cup, but did it anyway. Ill take him back. Keenan can go to hell.

WIOSA


Wed Jan 13 2016 6:21 pm EST

Yandle will not bring back anything close to the value that was spent to get him. Just like the Thomas Vanek deal. I am sure Yandle wants out because he is playing 3rd pair minutes and he knows the Rangers cannot Oxford him. His last chance to get a big co tract. He will go for it.

Bob


Wed Jan 13 2016 6:17 pm EST

Mike Keenan where are you, your needed. Babcock, Sutter, Quineville best coaches. Well they also have great players. Sather you suck. Oh we already know that.

vcp1994


Wed Jan 13 2016 5:07 pm EST

OLA: This is the LOOOONG Alice... BTW, do you guys celebrate Thanksgiving over there? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57gzA2JCcM

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 5:02 pm EST

The reason I say DUBI is that he provides veteran, vocal leadership. He is a tough player to play against. He can play the 3rd line Center spot or the 2nd line RW. He is a guy that will help the Rangers in the playoffs. And he provides so much of that grit and sandpaper game that the Rangers are missing.

Vic


Wed Jan 13 2016 5:00 pm EST

Ok. I'm resolved to the likelihood that this organization isn't going to do anything major (in a good way) at the deadline. NASH won't be moved. STAAL and GIRARDI are most likely staying put. The only move that seems likely to happen now is that YANDLE will be dealt. At this point if YANDLE can be dealt for a young D prospect and #1 pick I would be happy. But that doesn't solve the Rangers problems up front. And, I don't think there is a solution coming that folks here are hoping for. I don't see a real good Top 6 RW coming. I don't see that sniper that everyone is hoping for. But I do have a thought about who I think the Rangers should pursue. I think the Rangers should try to re-acquire DUBI. The questions are: 1) What would it take to get that deal done and 2) How do you make it fit under the Cap. Columbus would have to eat about $1.5 Mil per year of DUBI's contract. With YANDLE gone that accounts for another $2.625 against the Cap. Now, what does Columbus want in return? Will LINDBERG and BODIE get it done?

Vic


Wed Jan 13 2016 4:54 pm EST

Alice? Who the fuck is Alice?

Ola


Wed Jan 13 2016 4:51 pm EST

There is a report out that the Blues are looking to trade SHATENKIRK for offensive help. I don't think the Rangers have the offensive assets or the Cap space to even sniff around that option.

Vic


Wed Jan 13 2016 4:40 pm EST

"My choice of words at the conclusion of the Vancouver game on Monday should have been more appropriate. In the passion of the moment and under the circumstances of how the game ended, they came out wrong. For that I'm going to extend my sincere apologies to Daniel Sedin, Trevor Linden and the Canucks organization."....Here is my choice of words: Potvin Sucks.

Bob


Wed Jan 13 2016 4:22 pm EST

Wrong Alice! What's wit yu guys? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbPv1BibcQo

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 4:06 pm EST

York18, All depends what you mean by taking summer off. Every player after a long season have his injuries. You need to get them healed and then you need to start your recovery. Let's use Capt Mac as an example. If he was not injured at the end of the season, he would have taken a month off and then starting with the light training got back to his normal pre-season workout. In his case, he had a major injury, so he never got on a right workout track. Now, season after season, this takes it's tall. Players are creatures of habit. You break their routine, year after year, and at some pint, they will hit the wall. To prove my point. Team was simply out of gas before the break and now overnight is playing better. Coincidence? They learned to play defense again overnight? I think the issue with the team is that because they played so many games and because goal-tending was so good at the beginning of the season, team didn't have to give their 100% every night. Not because they did not want to, or because they are lazy. Simply put , they no longer have that extra gear to go to. There is no gas left in the tank. A little break, does wonders. It's a blessing that Rangers have only one All-Star representative. Team can use another break. Look at the LA last season. They also hit the wall and season later, they are back where they belong. Same with the Rangers. As far as i see it, Rangers juts need to get to the playoffs and then right watch up and you never know. We might even win a cup. They sure have enough experience.I love the love-fest that media is not having with Craps. To me Ovi will always be Ovi. It a main reason, why every year Wash is out of the playoffs in the second round. Why this year will be any different?

andrei


Wed Jan 13 2016 3:47 pm EST

Yeah, but Alice was a puck bunny whore who caused the great Hepatitis outbreak of 1993. Although some say it was one of the "black aces" who were providing services to get out of the last row of the bus. But, when Brian Leetch was handed his results getting into a taxi on a cold winters night and, he saw the results he lost his footing, fell and broke his leg. So the legend goes.

E


Wed Jan 13 2016 3:40 pm EST

E: Re robbing Jim to pay Alice. It's not so cut and dried that way because if you don't rob Jim now, there's nothing to pay Alice with come the summer.

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 3:39 pm EST

Bob: You were asking about my take on Elliotte Friedman and I responded positively. He produces a weekly 30 thoughts column that while the entire thing isn't always a knock-ya-dead thing (which really given it's length and frequency is too much to expect) it always contains some interesting tidbits and insight. And he's great at bringing a personal touch to certain things, like he does as his 30th thought in this latest edition: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-ducks-a-logical-fit-for-lightnings-drouin/

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 3:36 pm EST

OAN: for those of us that have followed and have an interest about concussions in professional sports, IMO the movie Concussion is worth seeing........ Here's a sad headline in todays NY Post..... http://nypost.com/2016/01/13/ex-nfl-player-lawrence-phillips-dies-in-prison-of-suspected-suicide/ ....................................... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6hPdC41RM

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 3:19 pm EST

Yandle should be able to return an upside top-6 winger and a serviceable 5-6 defenseman. Rob Jim to pay Alice.

E


Wed Jan 13 2016 2:41 pm EST

Again: The NY Islanders are without RHS D'man Boychuck and RHS Hamonic for our upcoming game tomorrow..... GAMEPLAN: Attack their defense relentlessly. What do you say Coach A-Vishysoisse? (cold soup sucks!)

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 12:58 pm EST

"NOR" is AV adjusting to his current squad...... jmhon

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 12:28 pm EST

Trading Yandle is such an obvious thing...if Gorton lets him play out and walk this summer he should be fired (unless of course the Rangers win the cup). The cupboard is too sparse to let that happen. And as LB so clearly cites - AV uses Yandle primarily as a bottom pairing d-man. Who the hell pays a bottom pairing d-man $6,000,000/per? Ajhh, nobody.

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 12:26 pm EST

To me the problem is more about the league adjusting to the rangers shortening the ice forcing the rangers to carry the puck thru all three zones by eliminating the long stretch pass. The speed of this team used to look very different compared to most of the league but not any more. I think with the speed being matched the less fleet footed are suffering (girardi) a great example is look at the PK for years this teams strength and one of the best short handed threats in the league not any more. Finally leadership at the player and coaching level msl was a bigger loss than most expected his leadership was important you can see Richards and cally before msl and now the hole is huge. Coaching AV seems to think the stretch pass will somehow be found and everything will be okay. While the league has adjusted to AVs system he isn't adjusting to the league.

York18


Wed Jan 13 2016 12:18 pm EST

....(FWIW, personally, I want to keep Yandle) ...................... Debating Rangers’ options for buried, high-priced Keith Yandle By Larry Brooks January 13, 2016 | 12:21am ..........Regarding the Rangers:………………… 1. If Alain Vigneault’s season-long strategic use of Keith Yandle is any indication, and you would think it would be, the Rangers cannot seriously be invested in attempting to keep the puck-moving impending free agent off the market………………….. For even on Monday night, when the Blueshirts were reduced to five defensemen for the final 35:14 after Dan Girardi left the match with a damaged hand/finger, the coach gave Yandle the fewest minutes (17:00) on the blue line overall, as well as the least time (4:52) in the third period of a game that was 1-1 from 0:35 until 18:18……………….. On Sunday, while the Rangers were attempting to protect a one-goal lead against the Capitals, Yandle got two shifts worth 1:13 in the final 9:22 of regulation……………….. As he has been from the moment management surrendered a first-rounder and top prospect Anthony Duclair in order to bring No. 93 east from the desert the day before last year’s deadline, Yandle has been Vigneault’s sixth defenseman……………………….. Beyond that, Yandle, whose power-play ability was a prime factor in his attractiveness to the Rangers, does not play on the team’s first unit, instead getting the leftover, 30-40 seconds of New York man-advantages………………………. This, too: The Rangers will not use Yandle to kill penalties. Indeed, Brady Skjei picked up more penalty-kill time (4:21) in two games on the roster than Yandle has all season (2:06)………………………………….. Does this sound like the résumé of a player the Rangers are preparing to sign for what will be a market value $5.5 million to $6 million per for five or six years?........................ If general manager Jeff Gorton were serious about keeping the 29-year-old defenseman off the market, wouldn’t you expect the Rangers to increase Yandle’s ice time and responsibilities, especially since the only realistic way to clear out enough space would be to get second-pair lefty Marc Staal’s permission to move him and his $5.7 million per contract that runs through 2020-21?................................. Wouldn’t you want to determine if the Yandy Man can handle second-pair matchups and increased ice time that he would inherit upon a Staal trade?............................ If you were going to commit $30 million to $35 million to Yandle, wouldn’t you give him additional power-play time? I would………………….. By the way, I’m not particularly interested in pushing Birthday Boy Staal out the door at the age of 29, either, but it is the only logical scenario under which Yandle could stay. Trading Girardi to keep Yandle would mean moving Ryan McDonagh permanently to the right side, which is not in anyone’s plans………………………… The question wouldn’t seem to be whether the Rangers are planning, or even realistically trying, to sign Yandle to an extension, but whether management would allow No. 93 to play out his contract for a Cup run instead of dealing him as a rental property who should reap a healthy return……………………….. Yes, the Rangers would create one hole to fill another (or a couple) by trading Yandle, but the hole they would be creating would be at their sixth defense position…………………….. 2. As Gorton and his staff scour the market and maintain keen interest in Jonathan Drouin, we can report that trustworthy sources have told The Post the team has not inquired even once about Columbus winger Cam Atkinson………………… 3. Girardi is being listed as “day-to-day” after suffering his hand/thumb injury blocking a shot against the Bruins………………………. Vigneault should take this opportunity to give No. 5 a few days off and slide Dylan McIlrath back into the lineup for Thursday’s match in Brooklyn against the Islanders. It would be unfair to heap a disproportionate amount of blame on Girardi for the Rangers’ wobbly play in their own end, but it would also be dishonest to pretend that the hockey warrior’s persistent struggles haven’t taken a toll on everyone, including his partners…………………………….. Coincidence or not, McDonagh has played better hockey with Kevin Klein as his partner than Girardi. Coincidence or not, small sample sizes or not, the fact is that every Rangers defenseman has poorer possession numbers playing with Girardi than with another partner — and some dramatically so, such as the captain at 38.5 percent with him and 54.9 percent without him…………………….. Again, there is no desire to scapegoat Girardi, but there also is no good reason why Vigneault should play the alternate captain in place of McIlrath every game … and no reason at all why Girardi rather than Klein should be McDonagh’s first-pair, shutdown partner until further notice……………………….. 4. Seriously, Derick Brassard and Mats Zuccarello haven’t always been this deficient in their own end, have they? Rick Nash, who has climbed out of the defensive rut into which he unaccountably fell last month and is back on his reliable track, is needed with with Brassard and Zuccarello to restore some order to the Rangers’ first line………………………http://nypost.com/2016/01/13/keith-yandles-future-and-three-other-pressing-rangers-issues/

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 12:17 pm EST

Here's the problem with the tired theory. 1) they get the summer off like everyone else. 2) if there is any truth in tired this team is screwed because they will only get even more tired as the season goes on. Finally someone send a memo to Chicago about this tired thing.

York18


Wed Jan 13 2016 11:59 am EST

Vic, I stand corrected on their age...it is 28 from what I can see. Forgot all about Glass. Anyroad, your post I interpreted as being 'burnt out' as in mentally, not physically. I also question being physically tired at the ripe old age of 28. The defensive corps are a tad older, but still challenge the idea of being beat halfway through the season. Now mentally tired, that could be from the coaching...not sure. You can be subject to that at almost any age.

WIOSA


Wed Jan 13 2016 11:27 am EST

Tired my ass! ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR5TCnok5Ic

mf


Wed Jan 13 2016 10:06 am EST

And, if you are looking at the 6 D that are dressing every night (so not including McILRATH) those guys average just under 31 years old.

Vic


Wed Jan 13 2016 10:02 am EST

WIOSA: Including MEGNA (25) I have the average age of the guys currently on the roster as a hair over 28.

Vic


Wed Jan 13 2016 9:31 am EST

IMO, if fatique is a factor it's more mental than physical and that includes being mentally tired of listening to the same old same old from the coach. It happens.

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 9:20 am EST

I'm not so sure I buy the "theyre tired" or "theyre burnt out" argument. The former being physically tired - Theyre used to playing a hockey season, they are neither old (average age 26 I think), nor new to the season (1 rookie playing actively on the team). The latter suggesting fatigue. From what? This is their jobs, this is what they do for a living. There are 29 other teams with the same amount of players on it doing the same season. Why would the rangers be either mentally or physically challenged half way through the season? I don't get that . Not sure I agree either.

WIOSA


Wed Jan 13 2016 9:15 am EST

Max Domi with 2 goals last night - this is one skilled kid who's got a bright future ahead of him. WIsh he was a Ranger!!!

RF4L


Wed Jan 13 2016 7:52 am EST

Andrea- I think you're missing the point here and I'm not sure you're saying anything that contradicts most of those 'negative' posts you're referring to. The point of the matter is that 'tiredness' you're talking about is somewhat synonymous with 'closing window'. You suppose they will get 'untired' sometime soon? That those 81 extra games will disappear from their collective tread? All that most here have suggested is that instead of having pie in the face- bury you're head in the sand- close your eyes and wait for it to go away approach:DO SOMETHING TO REMEDY IT. That probably includes turning over some of the roster- especially some of the especially tired bunch and replace with some new legs. Either way, the play as a whole this year has been sub standard at best- even during 'good' spells but you're welcome to hold your breath and wait for it to get better. Let me know how that turns out.

_Arc


Wed Jan 13 2016 7:25 am EST

Etem is killing me in that contest, 2 of 3 incorrect choices so far comes from my over-belief in him.

Ola


Wed Jan 13 2016 6:30 am EST

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/calgary-mayor-fires-back-at-bettmans-back-of-the-napkin-arena-proposal/article28139449/

stevielegs


Wed Jan 13 2016 6:15 am EST

highest trading chip....http://nypost.com/2016/01/12/this-ryan-mcdonagh-is-why-rangers-have-stanley-cup-dreams/

stevielegs


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