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Thu Jun 30 2016 10:52 pm EST

Despite knowing these things take time, I think there will be serious venting on the Wall tomorrow..and am getting the feeling we have a seriousy outmatched guy in the GM seat

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:48 pm EST

At least Brooks had some new Material....First I read about this thing name Eric GRYBA..Also , although I assumed MOORE was gone, firstt time I read...Also, tht was news about STALBERG pricing himslef out.....But here are the parts that got me....."While the team has holes to fill, it would be folly to load up with veteran free-agent signings that likely would lock out younger people such as Marek Hrivik (or even Boo Nieves) from a legitimate shot at making the club..."...You're kidding me right? Locking out HRIVAK and NIEVES....These guys SUCK NOW..have no chance of being an NHL forward this year..........And this nugget..."Vesey, by the way, is a close friend of Kevin Hayes, which may be one of the reasons the Blueshirts have not dangled No. 13 around the league following an almost impossibly disappointing sophomore season."..I kniw nothung about VESEY but the fact alone that he is a friend of Hayes rules him out for me...As for Hayes, the Rangers should be doing everything to get rid of this waste head rather then trying to coddle the prick and make him happy..The good needs to freakin grow up..Hopefully esewhwere...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:40 pm EST

Come on Gorton, break the seal.

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:36 pm EST

No fireworks yet probably next weeks leftovers ... Not enough cap $ without some trades ...fishboy helped make this mess ... Now he has to fix it ...without insulting the real mastermind of it all ... Glennie genius ...

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:31 pm EST

Gorther is turning out to be whimper of a GM....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:26 pm EST

And the clock keeps ticking....will Gorther finally stop sitting on his hands tomorrow and do something? Anything? Nothing? All 3 are distinct possibilities.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:26 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/30/rangers-dip-into-free-agency-may-start-with-whimper-not-bang/

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:03 pm EST

TDCHI - Hell,they can just make up something..:) give us some hope..soem excitement.......Even if taking it slow might be the only way o go, it makes for a bummer or cantankerous day on the WALL... ...Love to know who and what the Rangers were offering for the #4 pick.....It may indeed show that their is a wiingness to take a step back

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:55 pm EST

Hospo - I know...and us poor schlubs sit here and do the same thing...and reach the same conclusions for free ;)

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:48 pm EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/don-t-expect-fireworks-from-rangers-when-free-agency-begins-friday-1.11991391....And ZIPAY gets paid for this shit? Rarely read the guy but did so just now...A total regurigtated and old articel..Everything everybody knows already or has specuated..Same names..Zero insight or anything new..or even anything novel opiionwise..Pire, Vanek, Mcgi=uin, Helm yadda yadda.Duchense or Naheim ...I hope Gorton turns out to be an outside of the box thinker becasue that is what is required with the Ragers kind of boxed in...MAKE THINGS HAPPEN GORDO...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:43 pm EST

Rhet0ric - either way, mentioning the guy in the same sentence as LEETCH is sacrilegious, IMO...re: the fourth round pick: I bet the Oil were ready to pull the trigger right up until they heard DUBOIS inexplicably drafted third overall. Wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers were targeting TKACHUK.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:39 pm EST

I remember PIRRI back when he played for RPI...always liked they guy's game...wanted the Rangers to grab him when he was being offered up by the Hawks many moons ago...if I recall, they even passed him through waivers...and then a 20-goal scorer traded for a sixth rounder? Something just doesn't add up about the guy. From what I understand, he's not exactly a speed demon. But the guy has offensive skills, that's for sure. My reservation though is: How well would he do on third or fourth line? I don't remember him being a great defensive forward...and really then is he worth it? I think there are better fits for the Rangers...namely KORPIKOSKI and GRABNER...CONNOLLY too..or a return of STALBERG... But then again, wouldn't be disappointed if he signs here.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:37 pm EST

According to Larry Brooks, the Rangers "tried hard" to get the fourth overall selection in last Friday's draft from the Oilers. (NY Post) Brooks says though that the Rangers "could not make it work." (NY Post) Jeff Gorton said after the draft that the Rangers tried to move into the first round and said "I would say that it was close but obviously it didn't happen. We tried to do some things, we thought it was close. It didn't go the way we wanted to but at the same time we weren't going to be forced into a deal that doesn't make sense."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:29 pm EST

No one ever said Yandle was as good as Brian Leetch. EVER. He's the best Offensive defenseman we've had SINCE Brian Leetch. Huge difference. It also tells you how long it's been since we've had a legit offensive defenseman.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:08 pm EST

I would welcome Duchene to the Rangers. If Colorado has leadership problems, take a look at the idiot coach who was a great player but a complete failure as NHL coach. Their captain is nothing special either. Duchene would immediately be the most talented forward on the club.

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:08 pm EST

E- Maybe my language was a little harsh...I don't hate YANDLE...I just wouldn't ever use the guy in the same sentence as Brian LEETCH. One is a very good offensive player who can't play a lick of defense. The other was an incredible defenseman...at his very BEST, Yandle was a passable blueliner. Average. Were it not for his on-ice vision, passing ability and shot, which, BTW, is incredible, he'd struggle to make third pairing. He's an adventure on D...always has been...always will be. There was a reason the guy never got a sniff at the US Olympic squad in either 2010 or 2014 despite putting up some pretty incredible offensive numbers between those games...there was also a reason a guy who was on pace to score his third 50-plus point season in four years...the fourth only falling short because of the lockout...was basically given away for a decent prospect, a second round pick and what was all but assured to be a later first round pick...He puts up numbers like KARLSSON, WEBER and SUBBAN, but couldn't even dream of playing the position like those three...I will say this about Yandle though: Had circumstances been different, I would have welcomed him on the team...but for him to have been effective and not a liability on this team, the Rangers would have needed to move STAAL so that he could get second line minutes and then paired him with an absolute BEDROCK on the right side...and when I say bedrock, I mean someone better than KLEIN. The guy is a human turnover machine. And that's because his game is always high-risk, high-reward. So often he goes for the million-dollar play when really the ten dollar special would do...Now my frustration over him was that this guy would make passes from the opposing blueline that no forward could catch and turn over the puck ROUTINELY when he'd have a clear shot at the net...always pass...I'm amazed the guy had as many goals as he did as a Ranger(10...7 during a season and a half and three in 24 playoff games)...I seriously think half of those were intended as passes that accidentally made their way in...this is despite the guy having an absolute cannon of shot...Now his contract with Florida? Nope...don't regret not having that albatross one bit...he's gonna make Florida fans happy for a few until they realize the only defender that can play along side of him is EKBLAD...and when Ek's numbers start to dip...his 15-plus goals get cut in half...suddenly the realization of paying $6.35 million for a 40-to-50 point fourth forward is going to sink in....Good riddance. I don't care what kind of offense he brought to the Rangers...the fact remains, he was on the ice for 47 goals-for and 51 goals-against. I'll take losing those 47 goals as long as his replacement...apparently HOLDEN...can make sure those other 51 tallies don't go in.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:06 pm EST

What is Pysie and Marcel Hossa doing these days? Lol

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:04 pm EST

Yandle deal would be good for about 2 years but he was getting a 7 year deal so....no thanks. Can't wait for the next lockout so we get another round of amnesty buyouts. :^p

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:04 pm EST

So the 4th line is looking like Glass-Moore-Paille again? Or maybe Stool instead of Moore?

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:59 pm EST

They should've traded Nash, took back a little salary, and not care what they get back, just to give that money to Yandle. Every time Yandle is on the ice, he is a threat, Nash....is not.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:51 pm EST

E I dont understand the hate on Yandle either. He was a good offensive dman. He was a -4 this year, but really showed his true colors when he got more ice time and was covering for the injured Ryan. He improved the PP and was a decent all around guy. I dont understand, but to each his own.

WIOSA


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:51 pm EST

When exactly is the UFA period open? At midnight or sometime tomorrow morning? Slats can't stay up past 8 anymore and needs to sleep in till late morning so he will probably miss most of the early action. Par for the course so to speak?

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:48 pm EST

I bet tomorrow morning the NYR will announce a couple of trades right before they start spending. My bet is Brassard, Hayes, Kreider, and Staal are all gone.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:47 pm EST

These salaries are getting out of hand. With the average player salaries growing at a much faster rate than the Cap, there certainly will be quite a few second tier vets without a job soon. Teams will be all big contracts on the few top players then all rookies and AHL fodder. So awesome. The 'Bettman Cap'. Bad for everyone. Especially us fans. Woohooo! I am betting right now the next Buttman lockout will be a nasty and long one. This league needs to go to a different system. The friggin NFL seems to do pretty well...hum why not model the NHL system after that? Oh, I forgot the poor players need guaranteed contracts! Well boo fucking hoo! Welcome to the real world where nothing is guaranteed except...

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:44 pm EST

Elliotte FriedmanVerified account ‏@FriedgeHNIC.... Rumbling: FLA preparing eight-year, $60M-ish extension for Aaron Ekblad. He can sign any time after July 1. Team and agent decline comment.... Per Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 .... Per source: #Panthers sign Aaron Ekblad to 8-yr deal w/$7.5 AAV

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:42 pm EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 ..... I'm listening to @TonyMarinaro's monologue on P.K. Subban and I believe him he was told everything he claims he was told. (Cont.) .... Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 14m14 minutes ago I'm listening to @TonyMarinaro's monologue on P.K. Subban and I believe him he was told everything he claims he was told. (Cont.) .... I was also told that Max Pacioretty made a point to turn teammates against PK Subban. I'm told he told them, "he thinks he's bigger than us" ..... The way I see it, everything @TonyMarinaro was told about P.K. Subban was direct result of Max Pacioretty agenda against PK.... PK Subban wasn't problem in #Habs dressing room; collective jealousy & insecurity was.... Weber will be great player for #Habs but no one can or ever be what PK Subban was to the connection #Habs had to community..... Pacioretty & #Habs can deny all they want, but P.K. Subban did everything he was supposed to and more. They didn't! ....Here's @TonyMarinaro take on P.K. Subban trade: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/marinaro-why-pk-subban-was-traded-1.518373 …

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:26 pm EST

The Yandle hate goes way over my head. Exactly what did people want from him???

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:20 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ..... As I speculated on @OverDrive1050 tonight, Jared Cowen has not been bought out by TOR in the 1st buyout window, which is now closed.... Both TOR brass/Cowen's rep refused comment on status. Belief is Cowen's medical status is in question. Injured player can't be bought out.... It's believed NHLPA is now involved. This may well be subject of grievance arbitration but details scarce as both sides refuse to comment.... When Cowen arrived from OTT in trade, he was shut down from active duty due to hip-related issues. So, for now, no buyout on Cowen.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:10 pm EST

JAMES G on JUNE 30, 2016 6:54 PM NHL radio had a report that the Lucic deal from Edmonton is in the ballpark of 7 years 42 million. If that’s true that’s the worst thing I’ve ever hesrd - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/29/as-nhl-activity-explodes-rangers-ryan-graves-looks-to-take-his-shot/#sthash.FzysrsA0.w71bAvzS.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:52 pm EST

jk: Issue is with Duchene on the ice the other team will score more than he will over the season, and that would be a step back

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:48 pm EST

I would also be okay with us signing Brandon Pirri tomorrow..... Per Blueshirt Bulletin ‏@NYRBlueBulletin .... Been pretty tight lipped but know #NYR inquired on Stamkos and spoke with Edmonton. Not sure about specifics

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:41 pm EST

WILDCARD, Duchene may not be a character guy, but guess who is...Glass, Staal, Girardi, Moore...I want points. You can mix in a few of these guys with some good and you can win. Character and skill are not the same thing. I'll take Duchene on the Rangers any day.

jkropp


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:34 pm EST

Yup. No one can officially sign until 12:PM tomorrow afternoon. ....Wild.... Who do you like for us?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:19 pm EST

Higgy: No one has signed anyplace yet form the UFA pool...unless of course its back with their original team....but all we have is rumors, and those are not always right.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:17 pm EST

Since Nielsen signed in Detroit, Brouwer and Erikkson to Vancouver, Backes is really our only option. Wont be much to look for tomorrow except for, hopefully, a few trades. Hopefully Helm signs here as well. If Stalberg goes, maybe sign Versteeg, and give Connelly, and Patrick Eaves a look.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:16 pm EST

Rhet: Lots of GMs would not want anything to do with Duchene. He has 7 years in the NHL and has yet to figure out how to be pro....and doesn't know how to win. Not the kind of guy I would be happy to see added to the Rangers. The top 6 would get WORSE without the puck, would give up more goals against than it has, and the offensive output would not overcome it. A step backwards IMHO

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:15 pm EST

RHET - I could see all those players....but if it's Duchene and one of Brass/Step, or the same Brass/Step as we had...we need to get another C where Hayes just doesn't cut it and/or not what we need..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:12 pm EST

fishboy is searching.....http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=fish+finder&v_t=aolbrowser-hyplogusaolc00000002

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:11 pm EST

Evets.... Next season. He's slated to play one more year in Sweden and reportedly wants to be here(North America) for next season. He is the guy we were saying was Hagelin but with better hands :) He'll be 20 in November,

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:05 pm EST

Hospo.... It's kind of hard to tell the direction we're going in now. With Stamkos out there you could see a goal, but now? We supposedly want to get younger and better. I've read the NYR's covet(have coveted) Matt Duchene (who wouldn't?) I could live with that if it cost us extra. I would also kick the tires on Justin Schultz. Right Shot defensemen don't grow on trees and he'd only cost us money. Worth a look. I think the only way we sign Vanek is if we deal Nash. It would help to take some of the pressure off Buchnevich in his rookie season. Stalberg and Martin would also be nice. JMO of course.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:52 pm EST

It seems that Robin Kovacs is really standing out at the Rangers prospect camp. I wonder if he may have an outside chance of making the team out of training camp.

evets1980


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:49 pm EST

Yandle is already my least favorite Ranger since probably Nedved. What's done is done, I'm so glad he is gone. ... and please be real, he is not in the same stratosphere as Leetch, could carry his jock.

hipcheck


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:43 pm EST

RHET - The three pieces are One of Step/BRASS, Nash, and Staal..maybe 1 or 2 others get added in....Or maybe the prices and end results won't be right...all up to Gorton

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:18 pm EST

The Hockey Press® ‏@TheHockeyPress...... #NHL RUMORS:..... • NY Rangers have received interest in Brassard & Stepan. Hearing one of them will move this offseason.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:29 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/rangers-blue-line-keith-yandle-calls-in-and-what-will-the-rangers-do/187139788

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:24 pm EST

Ola - You're right to crow about STRALMAN...but YANDLE? Did you watch the Rangers last season? Good riddance. For every point he scored, he was on the ice for another. I want to barf every time I hear someone bring up LEETCH in the same sentence. Leetch wasn't an incredible defensive defensemen, but he knew the position...he also knew how to do something Yandle apparently forgot how to do when he came to the Rangers, which is shoot the puck. The Rangers had offense before Yandle and they'll have it after him as well. Sucks we got very little for him. Sucks we gave up our 20th pick...sucks we couldn't have gotten something better for Duke...but crying over Yandle? Please now. The guy helped the offense but was a liability on the left. Glad he's gone.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:21 pm EST

Ola I was for keeping yandle and moving whomever to make cap space but this gm and coach know better, and it shows ..... Not ....especially since they gave up a ransom to get him... Now call it a retool... I'd rather have seen hall and yandle than mcd and whomever including Nash .

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:05 pm EST

Lol Dumba will be pricy??? Everyone in the hockey world knows PMDs are pricy, but people around this team. Gorton is behind letting both Stralman and Yandle walk and the media is applauding him for it. Every so called expert where tearing Yandle apart from day 1. Well good luck, let's see how much we score next season without a PMD in sight. But sure, Yandle and Stralman just sucked and it was just a coincidence that we all of a sudden after being bottom 5 in the league in scoring started to score when we got some PMDs on the roster. But he media guys like Brooks, Carp, Zipay and co will all share the same sentiment of guys like Vic and co, you don't need PMDs in today's game. Puck possession hockey doesn't matter, it's all about blocking shots. We just dumped the only PMD we had since Leetch, name a single reporter that even have mentioned it!? Sometimes I think this team gets what it deserves, when will we win another cup? In 2035?

Ola


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:57 pm EST

Then go easy on yourself! You're allowed to be wrong...:)

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:55 pm EST

Hospo. Guess what? RangerLand includes me dude.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:54 pm EST

As for hope and faith, as i said, some can hope and think the best, others have a hard time...I'm one...especially when the last 4 moves have been the Staal trade, the Stool signing, the Hags/Etem trade, and the Talbot trade.

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:51 pm EST

MF - I followed that quickly with a mea culpa realizing i had done the same thing.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:50 pm EST

I don't know who i would rather have, Gorton or Chiarelli? At least Chiarelli does something. Gorton seems to forget this team had no heart in most of that Pittsburgh series.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:38 pm EST

So that gun remark earlier was to shoot the proverbial shit? RFC = Ranger Fan Church... Gotta have some hope & faith.....

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:32 pm EST

RF4L - C'mon, Chill out... few can be as all knowing as you but .Instead of mocking posters (Rangerland = RFC posters, right?) and generalizing, stick to specific posts...Yeah some people were talking about getting a high draft pick, but it seemed more like hope to me.....And yeah. some are trying to rationalize why Gorton hasn't made moves yet with a few different reason like the logical "other teams are too focused on FA to do the trade thing yet".....Hey. it's a time when nobody knows what's going on...Some assume the worst..others the best....None of us are in controllll or know..Just people shooting the proverbial shit....We will all see soon enough..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:20 pm EST

Nash and the Rangers eat $2,000,000 for Mantha and another top prospect. Do it Gorther. DO IT! Maybe the Wings are calling but Gorther's hands are too numb from sitting on them and he can't answer the phone!!!

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:18 pm EST

BTW, totally agree that Nash would draw interest from several teams. If Gorther eats $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 of his salary.....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:17 pm EST

Pretty funny - last week at this time RangerLand was abuzz with the upcoming draft and how Gorther had a bunch of irons in the fire that would land a high pick or 2 and begin the refacing of the team. The weekend came and went and all that Gorther accomplished was landing the latest player who will keep McI in the pressbox. But, RangerLand then decided the inactivity was because Gorther was waiting for the arrival of Steven Stamkos. Gorther's billion plans all would fall into place once Stamkos was on board. Then came 4PM yesterday and BANG, that big plan evaporated. Now what? What is the next big focal point for RangerLand?? Vesey??

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:10 pm EST

HOSPO: If Dumba was on the way? What a great moment that would be for me. I love that kid. But puck moving defenseman are gonna be very pricey. Especially ones that have that amount of upside. He has the ability to become one of the top-10 defenseman in the NHL. Not just very good.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:07 pm EST

RD: I read that but I take it with a little grain of salt. Hayes didn't want to play for Chicago because he felt he was ready for big minutes in the NHL and he was buried in Chicago and would have to work his way up. Yet, he signed with a team with two entrenched centers and never did enough at pivot to bump one of them. Or at least yet... So, Vesey is gonna want to go somewhere where A. He's gonna get the money and B. where he thinks he has opportunity to play. C. A franchise that he wants to play in. I mean, you're a UFA with absolutely no limitations and you WILL have a bunch of teams probably offering similar dollars. So, you're likely gonna get the cake and eat it too. Nice place to be for him. Basically, all the perks of being where you want without having to do any of the time to get there. You can make your dream come true. I'm a New York Rangers fan. How awesome would it be if I had my choice of where to go and they came knocking? Thats a dream that every fan of every team wants. A chance to put on your teams jersey. Or at least having that option. I don't know where Vesey is gonna go. I think he is being smart. He is looking at teams and waiting for them to finish their UFA mode so they can start making him their pitch.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:07 pm EST

GORTON, we're dying here...Sign us a Stool or Trade for Dumba..Give us something real to talk about..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:54 pm EST

E: Totally agree, however everything I've read suggests Vesey wants a top 6 spot. At least that's what Nashville offered them and he still turned them down

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:53 pm EST

Bob: totally disagree. The only things that are hampering NASH being traded is 1. his contract; and 2. the absolutely dreadful season he had last year. I agree to an extent with mf that his injury may have thrown his season off a bit...but the two things that are holding Nash back now are his age and Nash himself. Never been a clutch player. Always been an opportunistic scorer...rides shotgun. All the chatter is that teams are very interested in him...but they're not willing to pony up what Gorton wants, which is likely someone who will replace Nash who is younger and without the type of contract he carries....there was a rumor kicking around that Detroit has turned their eyes to Nash...the name mentioned was Anthony MANTHA...I'd do that deal in a heartbeat...but the Rangers? Maybe not so much...Nash is a known commodity. Mantha isn't. Gorton looking to improve, not roll the dice.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:52 pm EST

RDW: I don't know where Vesey is but I think you have to start thinking in terms of top-9. Your third line is also a scoring line nowadays and coming from a college program to a third line is a huge leap in and of itself. But to the top-6 and all the ice time that comes with it?

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:48 pm EST

BOB: I don't think so re: Nash. He has definitely lost Id say a lot of the physical component that he had when he was younger but so do a lot of guys in their 30's. He has been symptom free for 2 years already. I just think he is older. But, he has tons of value in the league. He is very attractive. Whats not attractive is the contract. Thats pretty toxic but if they can get the New York Rangers to eat a good amount? You'll get a nice return on him. Better then you'd expect.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:48 pm EST

TD: You're probably right. At this point I feel like all we are going to have to look forward to next season is Buch, and he's a huge question mark. Hate to see them try to force him into the lineup and have it backfire. Other than trades, and we haven't heard much, I don't see us being able to do anything aside from bringing in a Weise, Martin, Grabner type to help with the 3rd/4th line.

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:46 pm EST

Nash has turned into a two way third line 15-20 goal scorer who makes 8 mil I don't care what brought him there that's what he is and that is ridiculous. Trading this guy is not going to be easy and salary will have to be eaten. He will not bring back the ransom that was traded to obtain him and that is what will hurt the most what is the going rate for a. 8 mil a year 15 goal back checker maybe a prospect and a second rounder.

York18


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:43 pm EST

RDW: Conventional wisdom is that he's going to sign with the Sabres. The story is/was that he was in a tournament over the summer with EICHEL and that he convinced him that the Sabres are going to be a force next season and for years to come...and I think he's right...Vesey's agent(and I've heard Vesey himself) are sticking by the line that they're still listening to offers and he's going to at least wait until Aug. 15...And given that he hasn't signed, I wouldn't doubt it. So there's a chance...maybe a one in a million chance...but to quote Lloyd Christmas: "SO YOU'RE SAYIN' THERE'S A CHANCE..."

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:27 pm EST

Nash has withdrawn since the concussions. There is really no doubt about it. And every NHL team knows it. He is going to be very difficult to trade as a result.

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:27 pm EST

Nash has withdrawn since the concussions. There is really no doubt about it. And every NHL team knows it. He is going to be very difficult to trade as a result.

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:27 pm EST

Anyone hearing anything on Vesey? Not really seeing how we can land him as I don't see him fitting in the top 6 here and I think that's what he's looking for

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:19 pm EST

Reviewing NASH's production last season: he had 33 points up until that "bone bruise" on January 22..... That wasn't a bad pace..... Then when he came back he had 3 more points regular season , & 4 pts (2g's, 2a's) vs Pitt in the PO's........http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2288#

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:07 pm EST

TD: Agreed that we won't agree and it's not that simple - that head injury was a reminder to Nash of the 3 he'd suffered from previously, the 3rd one being relatively innocent yet put him in the dark room treatment space. I stand by my belief on this. And for the record, I'm not really defending him - he's making too much money to score and since that injury, hasn't score much because his game has changed and clearly, he's got no intention of altering that. He's another albatross contract for Gorther to wrestle with. Girardi's might the worse. The King's is lurking around the corner (unless his pride is large enough that he elects to retire vs suck while being paid a King's ransom) and I fear in a couple of years the Stepan deal won't be anything anyone would boast about, either. I will say this: If Gorther is able to shed Girardi's salary without a penalty of some kind I will be very impressed - I put Girardi's contract on the top of the dungheap pile, easily surpassing Nash's.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:56 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/boston-locks-down-torey-krug-for-four-years-and-21-million/

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:53 pm EST

RF - We're never going to see eye-to-eye on this so I won't bore the wall with a protracted discussion...suffice to say, I more believe in the existence of Puff the Magic Dragon and a land called Honnah Lee than the theory that a scrum with Bogo caused the precipitous decline of Nash last season. You're the only guy I've heard speculate that...and maybe the few here who agree. There is some Ranger fanboy that went through a whole complex explanation of why Nash wasn't nearly as bad as his stats(and detractors like me) suggest. And I believe him more than I do this business that his career is being cut short by concussions...nevertheless, I'm not convinced the Rangers will trade him...and if it's going to happen, it'll happen now IMO, not next season or the summer after. When it NEEDED to happen was last goddamn year, when the guy had 40 goals. Want to bang on Gorton or Sather? That was the big mistake last year. Maybe even worse so than the YANDLE and STAAL deals.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:38 pm EST

From "The Banned - Deeto" ... (you folks should be able to figure that out) ... https://twitter.com/Starr690/status/748252497245048834

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:34 pm EST

RF: Isn't the cap hit significantly reduced by the time February rolls around? That leaves the acquiring team just 1 year of $7.8 mill of cap hit

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:29 pm EST

mf: Trying to trade a $7,800,000 contract at the deadline is basically impossible, unless you're willing to eat a chunk of it. If Nash is leaving NY it's either this summer or next, IMO (or the summer of 18 when he's an UFA).

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:27 pm EST

TD: Sorry, totally disagree. Yes, he'll take the puck to the net - from 10 feet out with no speed. Look at a bunch of his goals when he scored 40 a couple of years back. He started with the puck either outside the blueline or very high up in the offensive zone and by the time he got to the net, he was in full flight on many of them and often went around defenders as he did so. He doesn't do that now. If he comes over the blueline with the puck and there's a defender in front he inevitably shoots the puck from far out rather than pick up speed and challenge the defender. That's not the only way he scored but it certainly helped open the ice up for him - when a defender is concerned a guy with his puck handling skills may suddenly fly around him, they naturally back-off giving him more room to do things and also allow him to get closer to the net. It just makes him a far more dangerous scorer overall. With that removed from his weaponry no wonder he isn't scoring like he did (and can).

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:22 pm EST

I am so sorry guys - I know twitter is blocked many places so I was trying to relay what I read - the rumor now maybe Colorado and Buffalo working on a deal....The 3-way I didn't get any names. Barrie and Landeskong was the only ones that were posted by several speculative tweets,

DREW


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:21 pm EST

TD: I'm all for keeping Nash at least until this seasons trade deadline...... Unfortunately, we don't hear the traffic on the phone lines....... I'm also ready to keep our D intact: McD/Staal/Skjei/--Klein/Girardi/McIlrath....... but come end of season, we can only protect 3 D men..................

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:19 pm EST

Keep fishing fishboy tomorrow is your big day

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:18 pm EST

mf/RF4L - Gah...we still going on about NASH and his poor dome? The guy had no problem going to the net. He just couldn't put the puck into it. Guy is getting older and his hands aren't what they used to be. Can't maneuver through traffic like he once was able to do..doesn't mean he avoids it. In fact, there were a bunch of times he tried to carry the puck through a defender when he probably should have either dished it or taken a quick shot.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:15 pm EST

THE """TRADE-ER-RATOR-SPIN CYCLE TAKES NO PRISONERS!""" ......... ALL WILL BE DRAWN IN, EVEN ... "The Puke of York!!!! ............... BaBaM!

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:15 pm EST

RF4L - I don't think we are totally devoid of offensive talent up front....ANyway, deosn't matter what we think, We'll see what Gorton is thinking...or IF he's thinking...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:06 pm EST

Hospo: True but I maintain you still have to have some top end talent who can generate offense. We all know the big 3 in Pittsburgh but until they were shut down in the finals, SJ was quite impressive offensively - scoring came from 2 lines plus Brent Burns.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:00 pm EST

SuperFly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmo6MRYf5g

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:00 pm EST

Maybe Gorton has the mentality of 'we lost to the Stanley Cup Champions'. We'll get em next year.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:57 pm EST

or maybe Gorton is lowballing them? Never know..Sather used to..and it worked for him

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:57 pm EST

Aves, Oil and the Jets? 2 of those teams need defense...interesting.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:56 pm EST

So Scott Burnside of ESPN expects the Rangers to be Big Buyers in the FA period...Huh? How? Only way they can be big Buyers is if they are big traders..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:55 pm EST

A 3-way deal, who woulda thunk?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:55 pm EST

Hospo - one can hope. I really wish I could be a fly on the wall to see what teams are offering up for our players. They must really be low balling Gorther.

DREW


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:54 pm EST

DREW - cool, maybe Gorton is working on a trade with the Johnstown Chiefs ant the Macon Whoopies...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:52 pm EST

WILD - Again, no it doesnt,, it needs to be the top 9 forwards first (not for scoring, for all around game), atop 4 RHS D-man, PK and role players..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:50 pm EST

There have been at least 2 tweets that have claimed that the Avs are working on a 3-way trade with the Oilers and the Jets.

DREW


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:50 pm EST

RF4L - Not saying we don't need a top scorer (NASH in his best/prime would be nice!) but the game has also shanged to quickness and possession..I'll take a little bit of both!

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:49 pm EST

mf: re: LANDESKOG bus: Everyone in the Rangers' front office. Problem is, the bus belongs to the Avalanche who aren't about to hand over the keys. Regarding the STAALS...like I said, take that rumor with a salt-mine sized grain of salt. The speculation arose from the rumor Eric is looking at Ottawa, which has TURRIS, ZIBANEJAD and PAGEAU down the middle...and the assumption Staal would want to play the middle in the top two...so the suggest is maybe they would move Zibs for many of the same reasons we would move McD or STEPAN: To get a nice haul that would improve the team greatly in other areas. Sens also have :LAZAR coming up through the ranks...Logan BROWN just drafted...also DAHLEN'S kid...all centers...Truth is, who knows? But Zibanejad would assuredly cost the Rangers someone like McD...maybe even one-for-one....so unless NASH is getting moved...for someone like, say...THEODORE...that's a non-starter. But I suppose if those deals went down, you could then wheel around and deal Step or Brassard for help on the wing...or try to sign OKPOSO.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:48 pm EST

HOSPO: but that's not top 6 scoring. I agree that changes are needed. But if your going to prioritize moves and using assets it's needs to be the D, the bottom 6 and PK (usually the bottom 6 run a lot of PK time) than the top 6. To attack the top 6 issues first will leave the bigger weaknesses unresolved and the same issues will still exist. I'm not at all saying changes to the top 6 are not needed, only that the order of what to fix doesn't start there.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:48 pm EST

mf: Agree with you on Nash's issue - it all came rushing home for him 2 years ago when Bogasian pummelled him in the Sabre crease and of course, no Ranger responded. He remains a dangerous scorer and therefore, does dhraw checking assignments from the opposition. I am not defending his contract - it's ridiculous given overall offensive output but he remains the most skilled Ranger forward and like it or not, if he's jettisoned without a subsequent top 6 winger replacement, he will be missed.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:43 pm EST

TONS AND TONS of noise around the AVS right now

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:43 pm EST

Hospo: Yes and that was their MO for 2 years prior to last year. But as the POs goes deeper, the opposition gets better and the team's lack of legitimate top 6 offensive skill ends up being their downfall. Remember 2 years? Shutout twice at home, including game 7, against the Bolts. People, I think, are forgetting this because they are focusing on last year's issues, which actually made their offensive shortcomings meaningless.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:40 pm EST

Love this little guy...know it's prospect camp...know he's a longshot to ever pull on a Ranger sweater...but I still REALLY like the pick of Ty RONNING deep in the seventh round: https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/748568751113637888/photo/1

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:39 pm EST

Nash is afraid to get his "head" banged up.... It's all over his style of play...... Callz em as we seez em!

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:38 pm EST

RF4L - If they win and possess the puck more, it will help both the defense and the scoring...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:37 pm EST

WILD - Again, that's where we disagree, the top 6 (and top 9) has to change if they want to win..They were the guys that weren't playing responsoble defense, weren't intense enough were't winning or holding on to the puck...That's how the Pens won...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:36 pm EST

LANDESKOG 4 NASH? We'll eat some salary, who's driving?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:36 pm EST

Yes the Rangers need more offense, like it or not. I do concur their biggest issue last year was their shoddy and passionless play so if that's not corrected, everything we are discussing is moot. If you believe last year was an anomaly then you need to go back to the 2 previous years and guess what happened in both years? The deeper the team went into the POs, the more noticeable their lack of scoring became. It remains unaddressed IMO, unless you're willing to count of Kreider finally maturing into the scorer he should be (I'm not). I know many on here are drooling at the thought of trading away Rick Nash but doing so will only make that situation worse, even if he doesn't score much come PO time. Gorther is in a precarious situation and the longer it goes without anything of substance from him, the more worrisome things become (for me anyways) because it makes me think there's simply no deal out there that will realistically address that shortcoming. Of course, as I said at the outset of this elongated post, if the team plays this season like they did last season, it's moot.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:28 pm EST

HOSPO: yes there need to be changes up front. But focusing on goal scoring is not the right way to change things to make the team better. The D needs to be better, the bottom 6 needs to do better and the PK. I just think the top 6 can wait till last or even next offseason if needed. But to use what assets they have now to get a goal scorer would be a misuse of said assets.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:25 pm EST

RDW: there are 2-3 places I saw it just now on Twitter. The only thing is that perhaps there are two that got it from the other. But usually when things pop up like this quick there is something to it.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:23 pm EST

Wild: Where did you see that he was being shopped?

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:21 pm EST

Landeskog on the move?!? What are the AVS doing? Methinks the AVS will have a hard choice soon...they have two AVS heroes that are loved by fans...how in the world do tou fire them if they can't get that team turned around

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:19 pm EST

WILD - If they want to win, yeah, they must move players..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:18 pm EST

WILD - Yes, Pitt will be the new model this year...Again, other then Girardi, our D problems were becaause of the lack of intensity, defensive responsibility/positioning, quickeness and ability to win and possess the puck by the FORWARDS which continually had the D and the goaltenders under siege.. It's not just the D and PK that needs to be addresse..Personnel upfront AND TEM PHILOSOHY...But perhaps I'm too hard on the team

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:15 pm EST

One positive of not getting Stamkos is that the Rangers do not have a situation that they MUST move players. If a teams wants a Rangers player now they will need to think above a low ball offer.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:13 pm EST

Amazingly here and other places fans want to move McD for a forward, and want to focus on the top 6 (which has Nash, Kreider, brass, Step, Zucc, Miller) because a lack of skill and ignore the bottom 6 and PK issues as well as the issues on the back end. So there is a focus on getting stronger at the sting pout of the roster and weaker at the weak points. The Rangers were a top 10 scoring team last season, but somehow there's still this focus on "more goals more goals more goals!" It doesn't help that the Pens just won the cup, and many want to ignore that it was the best D work and goaltending they have had in the post season for years and years. They didn't just out score their opponents, they kept them from scoring. Gorton needs to focus on the D and the PK....THAN try to get the PP better and LAST work on the top 6. With a good D and PK this top 6 is plenty good enough to compete.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:10 pm EST

MINNESTOA aupposedley also interested in Eric Staal..Great sign him...and then the Rangers can trade STEPAN and ??? for DUMBA and COYLE...All we have to do is find a skilled 2nd center (hopefrully some speed) and we're mostly done..........Alright, Gorton just has to do something and throw us a bone!!!

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:01 pm EST

TD: begs the question: Would M.Staal waive to join Eric & would Ottawa want Marc? What other areas do they want to beef up?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:58 pm EST

Hospo: "the failed strategy of AV also has to change" says it all........... IMO, this team was primed to play a "Sullivan" style game, at least it was 2 seasons ago........... I'm preaching to the choir, but the team defense has got to improve......... Our 6 defensemen are more than adequate, especially with a well rested & healed up Dan Girardi......... Get Grabner, trade Hayes for Bozak, sign Staalberg & one more guy, trade T.Glass & if the dollars can be made to work, "Drop the Puck!"

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:57 pm EST

Take this with a giant, salt lick-sized grain of sodium chloride...but supposedly the Sens are eying Eric STAAL and could look to move ZIBANEJAD to upgrade other areas of their lineup...was some chatter on Twitter last night and if I recall, some of it was coming from a good source....I would think the cost of said center would be prohibitively expensive...and I kind of doubt they'd trade him in the conference...but he's the kind of guy I'd throw out everything but the kitchen sink to acquire.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:55 pm EST

And aagain, Rangers have ZERO leadership behind the bench and up front...Nobody to help push, steer, teach the guys that need it the most---Krieider, Miller and Hayes (BUCH os another matter)...I see no reason for them to be anything butt inconsistent again, although they all have the potential to take off.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:51 pm EST

COLBOURNE - Brittle and inconsistent..disappears in games...Faggedabout him

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:49 pm EST

TDCHI - Good point on Korpokoski and the PK, the Rangers PK indeed sucked...but mainly because it was a FAST FEST all year!....But boy do we ever disagree on the problems facing the Rangers....The 4th line was basically the best line on the team after the trade deadline when everybody else sucked and quit,,,......Yeah, Girardi sucked last year, but the main reason the GAA and SAA soared was TEAM DEFENSE and TEAM play...The first and 2nd liners refused to back check and play defense,,,They were't quick enough to win battles and keep the puck i..The other team constantly had the puck agaisnt us, constantly bearing down on the D, and that wasn't the D's fault..it was the philosphy and the forwards..We need significant changes in both personnel in the top 9 and the failed strategy of AV also has to change.....I am not worried about the D at all. as long as they pick up one mre RHS d-man that can handle and shoot the puck along with the evolution of SKEJI and, hopefully, Mcilrath (if not traded).....The forwards scare the shit out of me..And Grabners and korpikoskis on the 3rd and 4th line will do little..JMWO of course..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:45 pm EST

Colbure: What's he think he's worth?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:45 pm EST

Joe Colbure is huge.... Anyone watch him closely? As per "the hockey news," Flaws: Is extremely inconsistent in all areas of the game and still somewhat raw. Needs to utilize his size more. Must become a better player without the puck, as well as in his own end....... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6648

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:40 pm EST

RF4L - Scoring wasn't an issue for the Rangers last year...and while the STAMKOS sweepstakes would have helped on two fronts(improving strength up the middle and helping to retool the system), the top six weren't the issue last year. They actually did pretty darn good. And if KREIDER or MILLER ever reach their potential? Man...In order of needing improvement IMO: 1st - Right side D. 2. PK. 3. upgrade the bottom three. 4. Improved top six up front..Only real reason I see to mess with the top six is if you can find a taker for NASH and get something nice in return.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:39 pm EST

TD: Now find me a way to trade Hayes to Toronto for Bozak & get the dollars to work & I'm sold........ We may be able to if we trade T-Glass............ Forwards: NASH / STEP / BRASS / KREIDER / MILLER / ZUCC / BOZAK / FAST / KORP / GRABNER / BUCHKNISH / STAALBERG / LINDBERG ......Lindberg opens the season on the injured list

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:33 pm EST

The word around town at the end of the season was that Dom MOORE was done with the Rangers and possibly the NHL. Good guy and I think he still has some left in the tank...but reality is, the Rangers, aside from improving their PK and right side D, also need to drastically improve their fourth line. Part of that starts with finding a center who can out-perform Moore. Like I said before, I think that guy is COLBURNE...I'm just not sure whether he'd accept that assignment...a fourth of KORPIKOSKI-COLBURNE-GRABNER or STALBERG would be intense. Only question in my mind would be if AV has the stones to sit GLASS.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:32 pm EST

Yeah, I see the value of Korp and Grabner defensively but the same old issue (lack of top end skill on the forward lines) remains. Until/unless it's addressed, I see no hope anymore deep PO runs.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:28 pm EST

How's the VICation going?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:26 pm EST

Hospo - disagree, re: KORPIKOSKI for one reason and one reason only: The PK. If the Rangers could get him and say GRABNER for the bottom six, the speed of this team goes through the roof and you'd have a PK that would be absolutely lethal whenever there's an offensive zone turnover. I wouldn't pay either over $2 million...and suspect you could get them both for well under $4 million cap hit. But again, when we talk about the problems with the Rangers, they are acute and repairable...what caused them to slip last year was three weak defensemen...two slow-footed ones on the right and one weak one on the left...and the utter inability to pull together a PK that could work...losing YANDLE and BOYLE has already upgraded the Rangers' D...now getting a guy like Korpikoski, who is brilliant defensively and still a rocket, would go a LONG way to make Ranger fans forget about Hags. Getting him and Grabner would be a coup, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:19 pm EST

Hospo: I'm not sold on Moore either but at the very least we need a 4th center who can win some faceoff's. Who else is out there? I think the D and PK were our biggest problems last year. Between the cap and Gorther getting fleeced on trades recently I don't have much hope.

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:13 pm EST

Morning All. At least it is morning for me. With the Rangers shut out in the STAMKOS derby things look bleak. There is no plan B for significant improvement this year. It is time for GORTHER to rearrange the deck chairs. Someone please wake me when this nightmare is over....

Vic


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:06 pm EST

If Stevie Y gets a decent offer for Bishop, he'll be gone. Vasilevsky is a very good goalie and he is young and inexpensive. Bishop is not overly talented, he's just huge. His salary eats up a lot of cap space and he is injury prone. Calgary could have been a landing spot but they signed Elliott.

JFC31


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:04 pm EST

Backes...interest...

jkropp


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:04 pm EST

Signing Jason Chimera = at least he won't score against us.

RF73


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:00 pm EST

Hospo: Exactly my sentiments. If Gorther can pull off some magic, OMG, what a horrid year we're facing.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:00 pm EST

Hospo please, the "trad-er-rator" is in spin cycle......

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:59 am EST

Sorry MF!!! Nothing personnel.....Just don't like too many of the options I am seeing....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:54 am EST

MF - grabner, Mcgin, Stalberg and Moore? Damn, somebody find me a gun....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:52 am EST

RDW: Lindberg had surgery on both hips in May... Last I read he will miss at least a month of the season..... E: Grabner & McGinn look like a plan, & we can resign Stalberg & Dom Moore..... That actually completes the roster & GLASS STAYS! wonder if the money works?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:42 am EST

Not a Korpikoski fan, stone hands...little offense

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:41 am EST

McGinn is a guy who is also high on my list. Korpedo seemed to still have PK chops when I last saw him. You could likely grab him on the cheap. I continue to believe that defense and the bottom-6 is the area of greatest need. I'm also real high on Helm, Grabner (see the trend) but I still think there needs to be more meat and potatoes down the bench. But that PK lost a lot of games for the New York Rangers last season. Especially in the 3rd. I think the scariest PK guys who are quick enough on the first step they prevent the puck from being stretched across the points causing lower % shots from the top of the circle. That's why Grabner and Helm have feasted on PK breakaways. You play with fire with those guys. How many times did Grabner burn the New York Rangers on the odd man?

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:41 am EST

RDW - Moore looked done to me....I'd rather not....HAYES is a huge question mark with how bad he tried and played lst year...We can't go thru another season with Brass-Step-Hayes down the middle.....Would love to trade Hayes but his value has to be at rock bottom.....Riley Nash would be a good 4th C option....Lindberg's inury complicates things, wasn't it that he wouldn';t be back until a few months into the season? No centers in Hartford either...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:40 am EST

cheap.....

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:40 am EST

Korpeedo could probably be had cheep, $1-$1.5mill

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:38 am EST

KORPEEDO, sign me up..... Do the Oilers want to move "Donnes La Lunne" Ben-Wah Pouliot? Re-unite him with Brassard & Zucc, he turns 30 in Sept, signed @ $4mill for the next 3yrs..... What to Offer them though????

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:38 am EST

Buzzing around the Internet--ex Panther Brain CAMPBELL likely to the BlackHawks for a 1 year contract

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:37 am EST

I'm wondering what Gorther is looking to dude regarding our 3rd/4th line C's? Another year of Hayes? Do we bring Dom Moore back? Would like to get rid of Glass however if Big Mac isn't in the plans who do we have that can fight? Wouldn't mind bringing Moore back for a year and have him with Grabner and Stalberg. Looks like they both play left wing though. Where does Lindberg fit in?

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:36 am EST

Another one is TDCHI's favorite, JASON CHIMERA...A bit old but really still can fly..Hoenstly, had a good year last year and can play 2nd-4th line......Just mentioning.....RANGERS are in a difficult place if they want to make trades....Teams will look at the FREEBIES of UFA first then fall back to the trades,,,..Rangers might just have sign the FAs they are inteseted in, go voer th Cap, and hope they are able to make some deals....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:32 am EST

Here's a possibility, the OILERS are buying out LORI KORPOKOSKI.....He has Ranger written all over him..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:28 am EST

no Vanek please

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:25 am EST

For the money I think the Rangers are gonna have avaialble, I think you're talking guys like Helm, Pirri, maybe on up to Boedkker, Grabner or Mcginn....maybe Weise....or taking a shot on VANEK.....All idiotic speculation.......Have ZERO clue what Gorton and his soggy bottom boy brain trust is thinking.......

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:22 am EST

RF: don't you go there, smile, it could've been worse, I could've been twins... :-) :-)

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:22 am EST

mf: OMG, it's getting worse....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:21 am EST

Teddy Purcell (RHS) & Jiri Hudler (LHS) earned $4.5mill & $4mill last season...... Jamie McGinn (LHS) earned $3mill

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:16 am EST

mf: More dregs...I'm getting more depressed by the day...next year is shaping up to be a horrid season.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:14 am EST

VRBATA is coming off a low production year as is SAM GAGNER, both are RHS & at least 3rd line talent & if either guy gets hot can move up.... Can probably get both of them for $6mill..... Problem is, both are kinda soft in the physicality dept..........

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:13 am EST

$$$$ aside Okposo and Martin (ironically) would be the 2-highest on my list but I think Martin is really this seasons Clarkson or maybe even Bickel. He's gonna get way overpaid for what he does. And Okposo despite his skill set which I love. Big body, goes to the net, skates etc... I think his stats are a little inflated as he also flanks one of the best centers in the game. I mean Crosby can make Dupuis look like a superstar. And in my observations Okposo has great chemistry with Tavares.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:12 am EST

OKPOSO I think I posted this before. No thank you Brooklyn. He's 28 lifetime -60. We've had enough offensive dmen, defensive forwards, and passers up the yin yang. Scorers and Defenders please, straight up. No ice, no chaser, no water...just straight up. Just, as always MHO

WIOSA


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:10 am EST

Hospo: we have $16.725 mill if we dump Glass...... Sign & trade Hayes for Bozak (cap hit of $4.2mill) leaves us $$12.5 to sign Kreider, Miller, McIlrath ($7mill) leaves us $5.5mill, like you said, my shopping list is too long or we need to move another contract.......... refueling the trad-er-rator........

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:06 am EST

RF4L - Not really much out there for the Rangers in FA...Guys that don't fit or will be too expensive. A few decent players if Gorton is smart....But again, all depends on whether Gorton is going to be active in reshaping the team by sending out significan players, which i think he desperately needs to ..Otherwise, same ol, same old...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:01 am EST

Gawd looking at these names sure doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for this year....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:59 am EST

no no no no: we're going with Stepan, Brassard, Bozak, down the middle...... Hayes is going too...... Next we're signing Okposo & Brouwer & Grabner, & if we have to trade someone or dump another salary, Seeya Tanner Glass, we can replace him at the deadline with a like player........ "That was easy!" :-)

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:57 am EST

MF - The Free agents the Rangers can or will sign has to be at least a little dependent of if they are doing anything with the likes of Nash, Stepan, a D-man...If none of them go, they have little money, right?.......If it's just NASH which is the likely avenue, they may have room for a few dumpster dive and discount FAs like the Pirri's maybe Gtrabners and Vaneks...You would think much more will have to be shed to obtain higher tier FAs (IMWO).....But, hey, they idiotically kept AV, I hope they don't stand pat with the players, especially down the middle, and just plan for a "rebound" year and are satified with just trying to make the POs insteaad of getting better for the now or the future....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:52 am EST

mf: Hayes might, depending on what the Leafs think of him of course. Bozak I suspect is available - Matthews and Kadri will fill the top 2 center spots in Toronto. Bozak I've talked about on here several times - he's under-rated and would be fine fit in NY, making Stepan expendable.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:46 am EST

RF: Eriksson, Okposo, Ladd, are probably going to command similar amount of $$$, then there are guys like Perron, Boedker, Troy Brouwer, Backes, which I believe will fetch in the $4.5mill range.............................. On a trade: IYO, will Hayes get us BROZAK? or Hayes + ???? gets us Brozak ?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:37 am EST

Kis hall for mcd probably would have been a good trade for both teams .

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:28 am EST

mf: He's gonna get in the neighourhood of $6,000,000/per and that for a guy who scored but 22 goals playing alongside Tavares. Simply too much money IMO regardless of a team's cap situation, let alone one like the Rangers who aren't exactly brimming with space.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:26 am EST

Anyone here have an opinion about OKPOSO for the Rangers? ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5725

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:00 am EST

Yeah, BUCH is in a tough position....Fans alread6y penciling him into the line-up....The Rangers desperately needing him.....No doubt the kid has the poffensive talent but many times the other things take time and the Rangers can't rush the kid....I'm sure this week is giving them a good indication of where BUCH is at and the Rangers act accordingly...............So, ANDREW LADD visiting the Isles? WIll be a great pickup for them....He is alos the exact players the Rangers need for leadership up front and mentorship of guys like Kreider, Miller, Hayes etc...unfortuantely an impossibility with the contract he will be looking for.....Gorton does not have it easy....will need to make some really smart trades (i.e., not Haglin/Etem, not Staal, not Talbot) and pickups (i.e., not Stool)

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:54 am EST

KIS - Agree on MCD and, Unfortuantely, I think we all realize we are "stuck' with The King for the future.....Good goalie but, all things considered, not the best fit for the Rangers anymore...And as long as you have him, wiining NOW (next 1-2 years) will be a priority (i.., no rebuild)

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:42 am EST

Hey boys hope all are having a great summer. So many of you have stated about building from the back out. No way should we trade a 9 million dollar goalie, yet all of you want to move a number 1 pair dman for a forward. On top of it MCD is a bargain. No way should we move MCD unless its a steal deal. At 4.5 you will never get the player who does as much for so little.

KIS


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:56 am EST

I think the only thing preventing Gorton from trading McDonough is Sather. Sather does not want Gorton to undo one of the best trades in Ranger history. Sathers ego won't let it happen. I love McDonagh but if you can get a first line center u do it.

tlats


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:19 am EST

The trade of Hall means that all of the top six players from the 2010 NHL entry draft have been traded, two of them by Chiarelli (who dealt Tyler Seguin when he was Boston’s GM). That includes Hall (who went No. 1), Seguin (2), Erik Gudbranson (3), Ryan Johanson (4), Nino Niederreiter (5) and Brett Connolly (6). No. 7 was Jeff Skinner, who is still with his original team, Carolina, but better watch out. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/29/as-nhl-activity-explodes-rangers-ryan-graves-looks-to-take-his-shot/#comment-2770459

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:54 am EST

TD: Regarding your 2nd post, yes, I agree - flipping McD for a legiitimate top line center would be ideal (and why when I heard Johansen was on the block last fall I started posting about Gorther chasing that deal). Rhet argues that Seth Jones is better and perhaps that's so, although I'd argue 1) McD is better now and 2) We have no idea when Jones was even considered available - you diddle too long and you miss the boat 3) The pressure to win in Columbus is considerable - McD helps that goal now much better than Jones. Anyways, none of us have any real clue who was offered for what one way or another - it's my opinion Gorther doesn't have the gonads to trade McD.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:50 am EST

TD: Re Tampa's pending cap problem. Oh, I see it - I just think Yzerman, like Bowman and Rutherford before him, will figure it out. And let's put it this way: I'd much rather have Yzerman's problem vs Gorther's. A wise GM with foresight will parlay those riches into more picks and prospects, thereby serving to sustain the feeder system and the competitiveness of the franchise. Bowman's done it to the point of 3 cups in 6 years. What's Gorther done, save for putting his team on the brink of darkness?

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:44 am EST

to me capt fugitive parmenter is damaged goods and injury prone....he's become mini nash in the playoffs....he cost game 7 against Tampa, and they won 1 without him against the pigpens, and lost the last 2 with him because he insisted they needed him.....one armed bandit....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:43 am EST

RF4L - I don't disagree there...But the thing is...if you move McD, then you've got to get a replacement on the blueline...one series of events that I would support wholeheartedly is moving him for a top-line center...and then moving STEPAN or BRASSARD for someone like TROUBA. Think that would put the Rangers in a really good position going forward, because Troubs is going to be a star...and he's a righty...would allow the Rangers to have STAAL-SKJEI-HOLDEN down the left and TROUBA-KLEIN-GIRARDI/McILRATH on the right...Also allocates space on the left if GRAVES is ready to make the leap...suddenly you've got a real nasty defense that's balanced and covers up any warts Girardi still has...but I think the players it'll take to pluck Troubs loose is going to be prohibitive...at any rate...that's the type of move I suspect Gorton is looking to make...building for now and the future.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:38 am EST

RF4L - Like I said...Yzerman has brass balls. That's a solid move to protect an asset that was going to be lost for nothing...but that said, he's now going to need to make some very tough choices. If you can't see that looking at who they need to sign over the next two months and then next season...then you're not looking. It's entirely possible he views HEDMAN as expendable...or that he figures he'll get one more real good kick at the can before everything collapses...I mean, everyone here was freaking out when we had our third line wing and backup goalie to resign...Tampa has their leading point scorer and second line wing to resign...and about $7 million to do it...that's assuming they let NAMESTINIKOV and NESTEROV go...Their only hope is to move BISHOP. It's not to say they won't have a great team going into the season. Jealous? Nope. But I'll be real interested to see how he maneuvers from here. Ain't going to be easy...the proper move would have been to move Stamkos for a haul at the deadline...but his injury stopped that.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:38 am EST

TD: Hey I'll concur it's speculation on my part, just as it with those saying the Oil have no interest in McD (which I find very hard to believe). I've been saying for a year now McD is the Rangers most attractive trade chip for both his ability and reasonable contract. I realize that's reason to keep him but if you want to make a real change, you gotta give. The longer this goes the more it becomes, I think, a case of Gorther trying to move under achieving over paid veterans and hell, if the Rangers don't want these guys, why on earth does anyone else (unless Gorther's prepared to offer them at a deep discount).

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:31 am EST

For those who are interested, Carp responded to my post with 'Get a clue Jim'. LOL...in otherwords, totally avoids my point.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:30 am EST

I think Rhet0ric brings up a very good point about right-handed shot defensmen. Righties are a short commodity in the league to begin with, much less one who can move the puck from the blueline...not that LARSSON is that guy, but Chiarelli certainly thinks he will be...I do not for one second....but to the point...I wouldn't doubt that the Oil would have done McDONAGH-for-HALL straight up. Hell, the Devils just pulled off a coup and they'd probably do that deal straight up...but the Rangers? No way. The opening to trade McD was when YANDLE was still in the mix...and even then, doing so severely downgrades the one area of the lineup every fan and pundit agrees needs to be improved: Defense...so it's easy to say Gorton is sitting on his hands...or that he's between a rock in a hard place...don't think there's an ounce of truth to either. Just he's looking for deals that improve the team...With STAMKOS out of the mix the one thing he's got right now is time on his side...absent him, the free agent market ain't much to trifle with...there's not a lot that's going to drastically improve this team....Think the key now is finding the right deal at the right time. A lot is going to shake loose with Stammer off the market. Teams are going to Plan-B. And I bet if you were a fly on the wall in any GM's office yesterday, you'd hear a lot of conversations.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:10 am EST

The Oilers were looking for a long time for a top pairing d-man. Larsson might be one one day. McD is one now.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:01 am EST

Another bright gm snow almost , that famous word, got hall for harmonica but refused the deal. ... Wonder what number or letter plan fishboy is up to... 13?... Lucky almost ...plan m ... Move... Or waiting to get to r to retool...

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:36 am EST

BUCH is under the microscope now. He's being billed as a savior and a couple turnovers shouldn't happen, with that said just stupid. Carp has no balls, never liked the guy. The kid just came over let him get adjusted before BS like that................The league is getting out of control the cap is not growing in leaps and bounds but fourth liners want 3-4 mil a year. Time to move to a cap like the NFL sign and cut, or a soft cap where there are fines for going over but you can.

York18


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:56 am EST

So it seems according to the rumor folks that Nichushkin is not happy in Dalas. They were rumored to be in on Staal. Perhaps a match? Nichushkin Is soda to be having an agent discuss the possibility of his playing in he KHL rather than be as he sees it under utilized by the Stars. They may be willing to move him for a Dman, even an expensive one rather than get nothing and have to deal with a KHL "defector".

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:39 pm EST

I will say that it was noticeable that Buchnevich committed some hideous turnovers, just as it was noticeable that he did some magic with the puck, especially on the rush. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/29/as-nhl-activity-explodes-rangers-ryan-graves-looks-to-take-his-shot/#comment-2770459

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:34 pm EST

Again, Edmonton wanted a 1st pair Right Shot Defenseman. Right Shot. They've been looking for one for a while. Also, who did we have to give that's as good as Seth Jones for Johanssen? Jones is a stud top 4 pick. Who do we have that's comparable?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:49 pm EST

I love watching MATT MARTIN play, be nice to have him... but screw that..A 4th liner that can bang is far down the list of the things the Ranger need or need to spend money on right now...Unfortunately, the Rangers have to be picky on what they spend on......GLASS gets bashed here but he was fine in my book last year...Top 20 in hits in the NHL..Have a coach thatplays him with a guy like Clutterbuck and that other mamaluke and lets them go wild and he would provide the same..again, 4th line banger is just not a need...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:46 pm EST

RF: can we get Bozak ?

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:42 pm EST

Rhet: Move McD over - the LD and RD thing is important but not a showstopper (I mean do you really believe the Oil would take Larson over McD because of that???). IMO, Gorther has no balls I suspect, for such a trade - he's looking to trade off underachieving overpaid players but at zero discount. Ain't gonna happen.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:31 pm EST

RF4L... Edmonton wanted a 1st pair Right Shot Defenseman. Who did we have to move? Girardi?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:26 pm EST

Gawd, I'm still digesting the Hall deal and how Gorther, like he did with Ryan Johansen, missed the boat. Just what is this 2 headed monster of ineptitude doing (because nothing)???

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:24 pm EST

I wonder if Gorther went to bed yet...

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:22 pm EST

Not sure if anyone posted this today, but Tjutin got bought out by the BJs. Another dumb deal in BJ land.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:16 pm EST

york: Stamkos new deal apparently has a full NMC thru to the end....

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:14 pm EST

TD: Mmmm...you're ripping Yzerman for resigning Stamkos citing pending cap issues and the resulting doom they are facing. Dude, this is echoing so much of your criticism of Pittsburgh until about 6 weeks ago. Methinks there is a bit of jealousy happening here and I get it totally: We have Gorther orchestrating things in RangerLand....

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:09 pm EST

Higgy: No. Nash had Toronto on his no-trade list and apparently still does. Which is moot anyways - they are rebuilding the right way and therefore will have ZERO interest in Nash.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:07 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 29, 2016 10:56 AM Buch with a couple hideous turnovers at scrimmage today. OMG, if that isn't his way of driving traffic to his blog, I dunno what is. And I get it - the more traffic he generates the more money he gets (one way or another). Here's the thing that bugs me: Have some balls if you're gonna do that and post something far more relevant like 'Sather with a couple of hideous trades at the last 2 deadlines'.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:57 pm EST

Bob.... I'm fine with that. In fact, I'll drive him to the airport myself Tomorrow too soon?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:56 pm EST

Tonto: agree...... and if we can unload Nash at $7.8mill and sign a guy at $6mill, we may be able to start dressing a more expensive 3rd & 4th line guy..... Theo"rhet"tically speaking of course....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:51 pm EST

Cannot sign Martin without getting rid of Glass.

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:47 pm EST

YORK: let me know when you're finished or do you wish to continue to verbally barb me? You know if I don't fight back it looks an awful lot like 'baitn. Sociopathic 'baitn but anywho... Its okay that you had inside information and decided not to bless us with it. Not all of us can be so well connected. But some of us do know what a non-disclosure agreement is. But you can choose to continue on educating us and insulting us for having an opinion that doesn't directly pay homage to your veracity.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:46 pm EST

The only problem with Martin is his asking price. He wont get the $3 Mil he's asking form, but even at $2-2.25 can we afford to pay that for a 4th line player?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:40 pm EST

I disagree. I think Veeno would love Martin. Big body who skates, shoots, and takes the body? What they wouldn't love is the paying him the money he is asking. And some poor sod is gonna get Clarkson eyes. And hopefully it won't be the New York Rangers. Good player though

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:33 pm EST

weeknow will not want Martin, or he'll put a leash on him if fishboy signs him.

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:18 pm EST

Hey all... I know Matt Martin.. 3 yrs ago during the lockout .. Matt and his brother drove down from Canada to come to my New years Eve party... Earlier that day i spoke with him for about an hour .. knowing i"m a Ranger fan i asked him would he ever consider coming to the Rangers.. He said .. It would be a dream of his to play for the Rangers.. he said he loves the City .. loves playing at the Garden and the usual original 6 comment... he said he does like playing on the Island he has alot of friends there but given the opportunity he would Definitely love to play for the Rangers ... Now granted that was 3 years ago and before the whole boomer daughter connection but something to consider .. Although maybe 3 yrs ago money wasnt a big factor for him as it may be now....

NYR7


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:18 pm EST

Hey NJ, want Rick Nash on your squad too? Girardi? Neither guy would have to uproot their families.....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:16 pm EST

MF...no, no, no..pay attention, a friend of a friend of a third cousin of the Kreiders paperboy, said he reached a compromise on how much they would tip the kid. Okay?? YORKIE, interesting, didnt think they made allowances for college completion in the majors.....STEVIE, I agree.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:06 pm EST

Wiosa I thought that without inside info. That kid better learn economics . The nyr were paying him good money and he was supposed to be playing for a new contract. Guess he's just book smart. Time for him to hit the ice and everything on it especially the twine between the posts not by missing the net and the puck hits the wall and bounces onto the back of the net. Otherwise go become a professor .

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:03 pm EST

E again never said you included me in that group and frankly wouldn't care if you did because I have long proven I had people in key places but just stopped posting info as I said earlier my second biggest chip is no longer with IMG still doesn't change the fact of what you do.......wiosa surprised about kreider but a lot of guys who leave early get a clause that states the rangers will pick up their college tuition but said schooling has to be done in a certain time frame Richter had it but his extended to after he retired PJ stock also had it but his was limited kreider may also have a limited window where the rangers pay his tuition.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:56 pm EST

Are you saying that a friend of a friend is circulating pictures of Kreider in compromising situations? ......... This is very confusing.....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:52 pm EST

Hmmm, believe it or not I have some quasi inside information. Quasi as in it's a friend of the family. Anyroad, it appears that Kreider, being quite the student, was overly concerned this season over his grades and getting his degree. If this is the reason he did his imitation of the walking dead, or 1.5 seconds behind the play, or "wide of the net" by Kreider. Screw him. Get a job after you finish your education if thats the way you roll. Of course, as always, and an emphasis on this is from a friend of a friend of you get the picture. On another note, he may appear indifferent at times, but he's not. He takes things to heart. Just my .02

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:51 pm EST

Back to throwing some macaroni against "The Wall," would Toronto trade us BOZAK for Hayes straight up? We could do a sign & trade, & or try to sweeten the deal......... Maybe we eat Tim Gleasons buyout ($684K & $1.333mill) as part of the deal, looks like they're carrying Horton, $1.2mill on Kessel, and Gleason........... BOZAK is a Faceoff winning machine, RHS, signed for the next 2 years at a Ranger affordable $4.2mill....... Bozak would give us "3" legitimate 2nd line centers and that may be a good strategy to build for... Three lines that are pretty balanced coming at you......

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:33 pm EST

Ouch... Pwned hard... Gotta lick my wounds on that one. For the record, I never mentioned you. It was your choice to go on a diatribe of credit reinforcing and insult laden nonsense. Are you really that paranoid? My only hope is one day you'll see this internet sociopathic character you created for what you are. I promise no one will be sad if you dropped it. We've been here too long for that. The fundamental difference between you and virtually the entire wall is we have opinions. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes entertaining. You see it as a contest of ideas and supremacy. Any challenge to your opinion no matter how innocuous invokes a tirade of insults, clown shoe calling people son and a bunch of other nonsense. It's not a competition. It's okay to be average. Put on your nice guy glass slippers. No one will think less of you.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:28 pm EST

It is Shark week ya know......... Now its my turn to whine, that effin DOLAN needs to shit or get off the pot... Either sell the team or fire SATHER.... Their is no way Dolan with Sather, is going to compete against TBL owner Jeff Vinik & Yzerman..... It aint happening! ..... end of whine.....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:24 pm EST

I'm shocked Hall went for that but the real question is what will Chiarelli do next. He seems to not like that draft class first seguin now Hall picks one and two and he's traded away both guys. He's supposedly getting his love child Lucic in a couple days. I think he's going to join a long list of inept GMs in Edmonton but worst off instead of being afraid to trade the kids away, he's trading them away like they are garbage. he traded hall and kept Yak lol that's the craziest part.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:21 pm EST

TD I went to bat for you too on that comment because he has made the same sarcastic remarks when you say you have inside info. Not off the rails he just whines like a bitch any time anyone posts something he isn't privy too and dismisses it as impossible because the closest he comes to inside info is the recipe for the chicken fingers when he goes to sharks games.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:19 pm EST

Rhet0ric - They went from that to settling for WEBER? Wow. Bergvin must be clinically insane...was he doing that in the hope of landing STAMKOS? If so...man is he a goat now. Downgrade your D and pass up on a better deal to free $1.2 million in cap space..Sad part is the Oil, given what Chiarelli just did, probably would have paid out the ass for Subban...maybe not THAT far out the ass...but pretty far.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:18 pm EST

TD Yzerman made a comment about a sign and trade, I'm not saying he does it this year, but maybe he signs Stamkos who is now healthy and ready to play and goes for a cup, if they win he then has a very trade friendly cap contract for Stamkos to move him to another team where they won't have to eat salary and can then get major young assets and picks back for him? That will free up money to sign Hedman as well.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:11 pm EST

The following two sites HAVE updated the team rosters, HockeyBuzz has NOT....... http://www.generalfanager.com ............. http://stats.nhlnumbers.com

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:06 pm EST

Montreal overplayed their hand.... Per Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug.... The ask from MTL for Subban was astronomical to Oil. Draisaitl, #4, Klefbom or Nurse and more.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:06 pm EST

Not sure what to think about all these moves...few thoughts, Yzerman has brass balls. And he just put them into a vice grip. KUCHEROV or KILLORN is going to need to be traded. Those guys alone will eat up whatever cap space the Lightning have left. And then Hedman heads to free agency next year. Not saying locking up STAMKOS at $8.5 million was a bad deal...certainly isn't...but man, he's got some work ahead of him....so this talk about Gorton sitting on his hands...well...if that's what he did to avoid making a low ball trade to open up space for a guy who now is off the market, good for him...SUBBAN deal...man, what the F was Montreal thinking? Granted, WEBER has plenty in the tank and shows no signs of slowing down...but there's just no way of looking at that deal as equal...and Weber is signed through 2026...Onto the Oilers...Peter Chiarelli shouldn't be allowed to managed a fry station at McDonald's, much less a major league hockey team. I'm not as fond of HALL as some here, but for LARSSON? He's basically Marc Staal 2.0. Limited offense...won't run their powerplay...will be a shut-down defender who will stabilize their blueline...but man...the guy is a second-pairing D-man on just about every team that made the playoffs...E said it good...those two trades are a great example of why Canada no longer has teams in the playoffs...the great white hope for our neighbors to the north is Toronto. It's the only club up there that seems to have a clue at this point...quite ironic isn't it.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:51 pm EST

Welp, we're off the rails again! Wocka Wocka Wocka! Someone be a dove and fetch me my clown shoes...

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:35 pm EST

E I know you weren't talking about me doesn't change the fact that you act like a little bitch every time anyone posts info you could never have. Then you claim it's sardonic humor you mock those because what the real issue is you feel inferior and act out like what did you describe yourself as a petulant child? I used the proper term at the start of this. And the only thing broke here son is you you ran your mouth a few years ago calling out monk and then chastised him for not accepting well I extended you the same invitation but you pulled a monk so you're the broken one son and you are like China a Chinese knock off cheap and worthless.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:24 pm EST

If Weber retires before contract ends, #Preds will be charged on the cap $24,571,432 divided by years remaining in recapture penalties. What would actually happen if he retires 1 year before contract ends?? What would the predators do?

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:17 pm EST

Again, Nash does not disappear in the playoffs. He is very noticeable out there. Shift after shift he is the best 3-zone player on the New York Rangers by far. It's just he costs a fortune and the New York Rangers need goals.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:45 pm EST

Trading Nash and signing Vanek for 1 year isn't terrible. Nash is fragile and invisible in the playoffs, can't do much worse than that. Plus we seem to have luck with guys that sign 1 year contracts, who can easily be traded.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:36 pm EST

Stalberg back would be great...but whats the top end cap hit the should give him. Cant see much above the 1.1 mil he got last year.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:33 pm EST

E - Yeah, I want Stalberg back..good 4th liner...but just wondering if this will be another Summer of Stools...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:29 pm EST

New York Rangers are trying to bring Stalberg back. A move I would be happy to see.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:29 pm EST

Bob, that is what I am worried about. Not that I believe that is all that is comming but that the final tally is more on the Holden=Retool end of the spectrum. Getting fleeced in a Nash trade then replacing him with Vanek is another big fear right now. See how much faith I have in Gorther?

NYStranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:27 pm EST

Stevie: I expect turnovers from a big ice guy early on. Not used to seeing players jump the lanes so easily on the small ice. Especially if he was doing those classic cross passes that they use on the big ice to back in the defenders. No one zones up in the NHL.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:24 pm EST

No worries HOSPO... I've been embracing my role as the walls Andy Kaufman for years. But I'm harmless. Just don't follow my ideas. Wonder who the wall Fletcher Reede would be?

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:23 pm EST

Nick Holden=Rangers re-tool.

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:17 pm EST

At the very least, a retool must consist of what? This team is very stale. i think we would have a better chance of making the playoffs with a rebuild. Stepan-Backes-Helm-Lindberg down the middle. Have Zucc-JVR-Stalberg-Buch-Fast-Miller-Connelly-Eaves-Higgins as the wings.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:55 pm EST

Higgy: I think thats correct. Seems to be the teams most in the rumor mill.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:54 pm EST

One can wish though. Whats funny is, when Columbus was trading Nash, wasn't the Leafs at the top along w/ NYR and SJ?

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:50 pm EST

Hope it's nerves ...RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 29, 2016 10:56 AM Buch with a couple hideous turnovers at scrimmage today. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-if-i-werent-sure-i-wouldnt-come-here/#sthash.6cotxBsw.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:49 pm EST

122 NHL defensemen have played at least 4000 minutes since 2012-13. Larsson has outscored: Scuderi, N. Schultz, Orpik, Gorges, M. Stuart. Thats it thats the whole list. thats via Thomas Drance on twitter

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:49 pm EST

Higgy, no sir. If the package included Staal and or Girardi, they would have to have agreed to waive their NMC to the next destination

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:48 pm EST

Higgy: About the only thing we have heard about the Nash list is that he listed no Canadian teams....that trade would take the Habs being stupid again (not out of the question) and Nash changing his list adding a new team to it.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:36 pm EST

If Gorton gets Nikita Scherbak for Nash, then we're in Business, even though i don't see him helping this team now. Just remember the Gomez trade, anything is possible.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:34 pm EST

E - Someone has to be the Ralph Kramden of the Wall!...STEVIE - watch what you say, I honestly think VANEK has the distinct smell of a Sather reclamation project and ends up a Ranger.....Who knows, maybe we sign him and years later speak of him in the same glowing terms as we do of VALERIE KAMENSKY! :)

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:28 pm EST

Jealous child? That's what I'm going for... Sardonic humor has always been a tough one for ya. And no one pointed at you. But maybe if the shoe fits??? Or are we Broken York again? Something else I'm trademarking since TD snoozed on it but nevertheless genius and timely. I'm like China Baby!!! I'll have you on download an stream by 8:00p. Except Hospo. That guys been driving the bus off the cliff for years now...

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:17 pm EST

Hall feels slighted, and now motivated to prove the oilers wrong...

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:16 pm EST

Rangers get HALL/Oilers get Larsson,Lindberg/Devils get Graves, Kreider, Pitlick. Thats my opinion on Kreider. He should use his speed every game, not every 7 or 8 games.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:16 pm EST

molto bene, stevie.

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:14 pm EST

E again I find it funny how you seem so jealous of anyone that has any info you yourself can't obtain. Just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean other people are in the same boat (pun intended) I can say it now because it doesnt matter any more this source is done and over with but he was at IMG and very very high up and I got a lot of info from him. Again just because you don't have someone doesn't mean others don't and frankly you seem like a jealous child when you do that.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:13 pm EST

is vanek a nyr yet ?

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:13 pm EST

E _ I don't know man, you jumped on my JESSIMAN bus, my RADULOV minivan...Should know by now not to agree with me..:)...Just Imagine if JESSIMAN wasn't a bust and CHERPANOV lived....alot better than think about Kevin HAYES moronic mug...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:10 pm EST

As a center, DUCHENSE has the attitude of a selfish scorer rather then a passer..But we have enough of those....I like how digusted ROY was last year with DUCHENSE when the guy celebrated after scoring a goal to put his team down 7-2 or something...Yeah, I think COLORADO would love to get rid of him...Might not be a bad fit on the Rangers if we also end up getting a bigger/stronger 3rd C (i.e. Charlie COYLE )somehow (Stepan trade:))

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:10 pm EST

Drew Italian slang for balls and ass

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:09 pm EST

E you're right about every team playing hardball but the Rangers often pay more than other teams, coincidence? Maybe, fact, yes.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:07 pm EST

Higgy: Where have you ever heard anything like Kreider doesn't work hard to win ad help the team?

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:07 pm EST

HOSPO: yeah, but did you previously cite me for credit on all these things? You've been riding my coat tails for years with jealousy just because I have the keys to Groton's office and bugged his phone.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

Higgy: Really a great package. Like what? And who would have made both the Oilers and Devils would jump at? You talk in certainty...but can you be certain Gorton didn't try another way other than a D but the Devils offered Larssen and the Oilers panicked because no one else was offer a D and were afraid that they wouldn't be able to flip for a D.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

RF: for humors sake I actually did get stranded on the ocean with my friends boat. We had fuel but we were busy talking to girls on the radio all day while fishing. Killed the battery. It's kinda scary when the sun is settin and you're adrift 15 miles off the coast of NJ. But then again, I'm a NYR fan, I should've been really comfortable with aimlessly adrift on a dark ocean. But I survived and so shall we survive this summer.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

I think Kreider is the same way as Duchene. I don't think AV cares for him, and i wouldn't mind seeing him traded either.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:04 pm EST

E - Said the same thing at 4:08...Get your own cliches! :)

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:03 pm EST

E: I figured. But anyway. Believe me or not. The AVS are over Duchene, Roy doest like using him, the coaches are sick of his attitude. He tells one of the staff who is down the line that since that coach didn't play in the NHL how can he tell a NHL player anything. Maybe its the AVS system that caused it, but this is 7 years in and he he is this way, would be rather hard to change that attitude.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:01 pm EST

Btw, it would be ridiculous to even think Staal or Girardi would waive to go to a team like the Oilers. The fact is, the Rangers could've put a great package together for the Oilers, who could always flip whomever over to NJ for Larsson, for the Defenseman they desperately need. I don't think Shero could've even dreamed of getting HALL for Larsson.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:00 pm EST

E: Nope, the ship hasn't hit anything yet and isn't taking on water. It is, however, running out of fuel and once that happens, all kinds of chaos can result. And really, running out of fuel? How does one let that happen??

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:00 pm EST

And Wild that was a petulant swipe at you.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:59 pm EST

"Subban: "I feel a whole lot closer to winning a Stanley Cup after today's trade." Brutal honesty." Says something about the Habs as an org. Wonder if there will be changes coming there over the next few years.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:59 pm EST

I happen to know an inside source that told me that Anaheim was working hard for a flip of Nash for Fowler. And by inside, I mean inside my head.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:58 pm EST

Higgy: I doubt it. The AVS want nothing to do with Duchene...NONE of the coassignee staff enjoys working with him...even the "lower" types of coaches and consultants, trainers and the like. This is from someone within the AVS org. I can't get more specific than that right now, the AVS are rather strict about keeping stuff in house, and if it ever got out who it was he would likely lose him job, and I don't want to be responsible for that. But lets just say he takes to every player on the team and the team as a whole at times, and knows the good and bad of each of them and he has nothing positive to say about Duchene. On a side note, I have not spoken to him since the Holden trade, he is out of state, but once he is back and if I have a chance I am going to inquire about him see what this guy has to say about him.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:57 pm EST

Note to all: every team plays hardball with every team. There are no favors. Teams are trying to win.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:57 pm EST

stevie - sometimes I just have to ask, what the heck are you trying to say? And dont get me wrong I am a stevie fan on graffiti 2.

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:56 pm EST

On titter fishboy getting 2 guys who are close ugatz and u culo...he's playing with them now....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:54 pm EST

I have a felling Rangers get Duchene, but pay the most out of all the other trades made today...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:52 pm EST

RHET - We don't have a number 1 center with or without Stepan....But, I'd still be angling for another center through other trades...If i don't get one, I keep Stepan and realize the season will be a lost cause.unless we find a solid 3rd C in one of the deals/FAS

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:49 pm EST

RF4L: I said maybe not one for one. I should have said likely not one for one. I think they basically gave Hall away, they may have done the same for Staal one for one, these trades have been lopsided as hell. But Staal+ is more what I was actually thinking...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:48 pm EST

Bob: That change from Stepan to Duchene would just about guaranty that the Rangers players would be available for the World Championships every year. Duchess really enjoys that and stops playing NHL games long before the season is over.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:46 pm EST

Wild: Using the terminology you so clearly love to embrace - it's just stupid to think that Marc Staal would fetch Taylor Hall. Pushing 30, lots of injuries, big contract and no upside vs a far cheaper 23 year old who's still developing? Very obvious choice, unless you're stupid.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:40 pm EST

Seems that Minnesota needs a center and they like Aman kids, so why not Stepan. I would not do that without the Rangers having another center lined up. I would do it for Dumba-plus. Wonder if Staal would agree to go to Colorado and the Rangers could get Duchene. That would piss off a few on this wall.

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:32 pm EST

Higgy: Maybe its time to go after Nashville....they are so high off that trade they might agree to anything. LOL

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:31 pm EST

Higgy: A reason to move Step of Brass is that Brass has a shorter term left as 1.5 mil less per...and no NTC (that I know of). Leaves more flexibility in 3 years, and that could be a BIG BIG change over time for the Rangers. If the Rangers move Step. They as of right now would only have Hank, Giradi, and Staal signed beyond the year Brass is signed until. Now there may be a move or a UFA signed, or RFAs signed this summer that are signed beyond that, but still, its a natural year to look at as a retooling and rebuilding timeframe and may be worth having one less guy with a NTC in they way of that.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:27 pm EST

Hopefully its not Nashville, after they just fleeced Montreal...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:25 pm EST

OK...so I know its twitter rumor place...HOWEVER this guy did say yesterday that his sources told him to hang on tight for today....so he was either really lucky, or really has a source or two.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:25 pm EST

Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak 25s25 seconds ago #BREAKING - ANA and NSH gearing up for Rick Nash.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:24 pm EST

yeah, u can't trade Stepan now. Turn to trading Brassard, sign Backes to have someone tough down the middle, sign HELM, and be done w/ free agents. Bring Stalberg back, and try to trade NASH, and Hayes. Hopefully STAAL. Get JVR

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:24 pm EST

Rhet: The thing is, after Steps NTC activates it will be harder to get good value for him in a trade, and that could get in the way of helping the team AND opening up room for a top line center than may become available. It is a risk yes, but its a balance....depends on what you feel the chances for the Rangers are this season...if you think its REAL chance at a run maybe you don't move him, if not than you do and use this offseason, the deadline, UFA this year and next and next offseason moves to bolster the team, essentially taking only one season off the hard push for a cup.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:18 pm EST

Hospo... How does moving Stepan to the Wild make any sense any more? What would we replace him with? What's the plan to get a number 1 center now?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:17 pm EST

WILD - No, that's your typical blow it out your ass defense of poor mangement by the Rangers....Again, I'm not criticizing them YET... I'm not talking about one "deal", I'm talking about the entire off season for a team that needs significant changes...If you can't get anything done to help the team, if you're not smarter than any other GMS, if you can't make any adept trades based on superior evaluation,, then the team is in trouble at the top with inferior mangemwent.....or we could jut blame it on all the other mean GMs....

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:14 pm EST

Hospo: I think the reason the flood gates opened some was due to the Stamkos thing. I am sure before the deal was signed teams were told he had decided and it wasn't them and the word got around the NHL. That let lose some traded that were sitting and waiting. Now I imagine there are phone calls going all over the place. I would expect within the next 24 hours the rumor mill will flare up and some moves may be made. UNFORTUNATELY there are no deadlines for a while, so teams can take their time and deals that heading to a deadline of sorts would take hours will take days.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:11 pm EST

Amazed that out of his forwards, Chiarelli/EDMONTON traded their 2nd best forward rather then RNH or Eberle.....Hope Minnesota night still be looking for a Center like Stepan....

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:11 pm EST

Hospo: That is such a low IQ line of thinking. That because a deal hasn't been done the GM isn't smart enough or sly enough. SO I guess there are only a couple GMs in the entire NHL that are any good. Because there are a TON of players out there with GMs who "need" or badly want to move them and they haven't been moved. Even players that really wanted haven't been moved. Every team just about has been rumored to want to make moves, but there is zero going on save a couple teams....and some of those teams got dragged over the coals. Again I guess there are just 2 or 3 decent GMs now....just more "the rangers suck everyone else is great" crap floating around the wall.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:08 pm EST

Agree that other teams will be playing hardball with the Rangers..but that's as it should be..Thye should be doing it with every team...Over the last few months, the Rangers should have identified potential trading partners that would be best to deal with and/or have the best players assets to deal for....There will be no Stamkos, the Rangers have plenty of valuable players they can trade for fair value (players/pic or prospect/cap relief) ..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:00 pm EST

WILD - For christ sake, stop rushing to defend every god dam move or non move the Rangers make.....My point was not really about the larsson-Hall trade...I understand why teams might make different moves...My statement was more to the entire off-season (beginning now)....i don't want to hear the lilly livered limp wristed "oh, Gorton couldn't do anything, nobody wanted to play with him"....if that's true, we got the wrong GM, a GM not smart, sly, adept enough to make deals to improve his team....Again, I'm talking the off-season as a whole, one that has barely started and why i said there is still plenty of time..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:00 pm EST

Its RHS Dmen that are more rare correct? Meaning Girardi would have more value just due to that...hopefully the Rangers get something done to help short and long term.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:59 pm EST

E: stop pissing in the Cherrios, the friggin boat is still on dry-dock!

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:53 pm EST

WILD: don't be so calm, the irrational red panic button has been pressed, the klaxon and NYR fans run back and forth on the deck waiting for the ship to start taking on water. Even though they haven't hit anything yet.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:50 pm EST

Look at it this way. At least the NYR aren't on the hook for Shea Weber's contract. The Oilers and Habs are putting on a great micro display of why there was zero Canadian teams in the playoffs. It's pretty sad. With Subban and Hall going south for a high mileage and older Weber and a less impactful defenseman. I think the Subban for Weber deal will look awful within two seasons as Weber slows down and Subban isn't even 30 yet.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:41 pm EST

I don't think gorther are sitting in their hands. I honestly think teama are playing hardball with them. They are not in a strong trading position and have over oaid their last three deals and GMs see this and want the same results in new deals.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:40 pm EST

Hospo: I hear you. Just for clarity, I was trying to state that when I look at the NYR defense and what the Oilers needs were the only guy that would have likely worked was McD. G and Staal are certainly not of Larsson's skill. And McD is better then all of them. I just didn't see how the NYR could line up a better player then Larsson and have it make sense. I would've loved to get Hall. I think he is gonna torture the NYR for years to come. But I didn't see how the NYR had what the Oilers needed unless it was McD.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:38 pm EST

annnnnnndddd the Rangers fans come out in force with intimate knowledge of how hard the Rangers brass is working. See becsaue a deal hasn't happened they are not trying. We all KNOW of course that Staal and Giradi have both waived the NMC for many many teams and Gorton is just refusing to take that deal that would help the Rangers. And there are multiple teams willing to give up multiple 1st rounders to take Nahs and his full deal, but Gorton is sitting on his hands. As always I say, wait until all the moves are done, and camp opens before you decide how they have done for the offseason. This mid stream ripping the team for what they have or have not done is silly.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:37 pm EST

Maybe Chiarelli likes Larsson better than McDonagh..23 year old righty vs 27 year old lefty. Maybe Larsson fits in better with the Oilers than MCD.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:35 pm EST

WIOSA: I mean, Gorton could have gone to the Staal/Giradi camps to find if they would go and they said no. I didn't mean that they had a trade in place and they nixed it.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:35 pm EST

Man, Gorther sitting on his hands so long they must be really numb! Time to do the Stranger! 8=0

NYStranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:34 pm EST

Hospo: Fly...flap your arms and fly. Cant do it? Well DUH! Some things CANT be done. No mater what Gorton could NOT have gotten a deal done if Staal/Giradi don't waive their NMC. Unless you wanted to see Klein and a 2nd or a 1st going to the Oilers for Hall.....that would have helped nothing, and would have been a waste of a trade.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:34 pm EST

Wild you cant plan on moving a guy that has a NMC and doesnt want to go. That's just irresponsible. Ya know?

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:32 pm EST

WILD - Honestly, I know the old it takes two to tango stuff, but excuses and explanations mean nothing,..all that matters is what you do or what you weren't smart or sneaky enough to do......Still alot of time left ..we'll see..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:32 pm EST

and captain fugitive parmenter is still here...wtfu fishboy by Friday 7/1/16 ....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:25 pm EST

Hospo: Gorton may have wanted to move Staal to the Oil for Hall, maybe not one for one, but still, and Staal could have said no way, same for Giradi. We can't know if the Rangers brass tried to do anything, maybe even something better for the Oilers but couldn't due to NMC/NTC

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:24 pm EST

Hospo, have any more meeting today? This just got interesting....... ;-)

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:23 pm EST

Rhet: t/y

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:22 pm EST

Wow..Go away for a meeting and the shit hits the fan.......E - Sorry, I'll take MCD over LARSSON.....Great trade by the DEVILS to get HALL..Edmionton will continue to suck and it hurts that GORTON couldn't have topped that deal............STAMKOS staying in TB??? Seemed the lost logical outcome to me and he was never gonna be a Ranger......SUBBAAN-Weber..Doesn't mean much to the Rangers but what a freakin blockbister...........Allright GORTON, now you can take your tumbs out of your ass and do something...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:16 pm EST

Hell....other teams could have done a 7 years 73.5 mil deal....not sure what taxes in other cities are...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:13 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun .... FYI that there was NO salary retained in Subban-Weber blockbuster. Straight up contract for contract.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:12 pm EST

Stamos staying 8 years 8.5 per. HE could have gotten more from any of the NYR, TOR, or BUF if they would have done a sign and trade. Of course with taxes and the like he would have come away with less. Oh well....anticlimactic UFA period...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:11 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie .... Stamkos's deal with TB is expected to come in at eight years, with an AAV of $8.5M.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:10 pm EST

MF.... I'm reading they wanted a RHD... maybe they tried for Subban and then grabbed Larsson as a consolation prize? Who knows. Subban for Weber is also 1 for 1.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:08 pm EST

Devils got better, Lightning got better, Canadiens got worse, as NYR sit and wait for a phone call from a gm begging for one of his players...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:07 pm EST

Stamkos back to Tampa

tlats


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:05 pm EST

Guess they didn't want to part with McDonagh...... could have then turned around & dealt Nash

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:03 pm EST

Wait, I forgot. Thanks to the Flyers, most of Weber's money was front loaded.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:01 pm EST

How does all this happen in a matter of 10 mins? Maybe the flurry of Ranger trades is next....

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:00 pm EST

I would imagine that the Predators are retaining money in the Weber deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:00 pm EST

If Subban's going to Nashville, Ryan Ellis is arguably, redundant. Stop diddling Gorther and do something!!!

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:00 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger ..... That's the most insane one-for-one deal that I've seen in, oh, five minutes.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:58 pm EST

Bob McKenzieVerified account ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie..... Steven Stamkos is staying in TB. #TSN

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:58 pm EST

And Steven Stamkos is staying in TAMPA. Way to go GORTON!!!!!!

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:58 pm EST

Hopefully the Metamucil has set in and the trade activity is gonna get moving.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:57 pm EST

Now Kypreos is saying PK is moving...course theyve been saying it all year

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:57 pm EST

Adam Larsson is a RHS, & so is PK Subban.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8940

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:57 pm EST

How terrible is that trade??

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:56 pm EST

Nick KypreosVerified account ‏@RealKyper.... #Blockbuster @CanadiensMTL trade PK Subban to @PredsNHL for Shea Weber #wow @Sportsnet @NHL.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:56 pm EST

Shea Weber??

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:55 pm EST

Funny how they won't trade Yakupov bc all they could get was a 3rd round pick???? Maybe we can get McDAVID for Jesper Fast

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:54 pm EST

Here we go.... Nick Kypreos Verified account ‏@RealKyper...... Talk of @Canadiens moving PK as early as today. Stay tuned. @Sportsnet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:54 pm EST

Lucic is in Edmonton, so they say...

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:52 pm EST

Larsson is better then every NYR defenseman that we'd wanna part with. McD? Nah... KK isn't as good as Larsson and G and Staal aren't gonna get it done. Edmonton got hosed though and made the NYR lives miserable. Makes me wonder if the NJD aren't planning on going full court for Stamkos now.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:48 pm EST

Dreger: "Taylor Hall is a terrific player. So either we collectively as a hockey society overvalued him, or undervalued Adam Larsson."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:46 pm EST

Hall for Larrson? R u friggin' kidding me? WTF is our GM doing? Hall for Larrson?????!!!!!

JFC31


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:45 pm EST

What's really sad is, not only would he have cost us nothing, his contract is an absolute steal. 6 million at 4 years left. Especially when u read Frans Nielsen can get that on the open market. Now we're gonna offer Stamkos 11 mil per, which won't look good whether he accepts or not. Fire Gorton

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:40 pm EST

So who on here kept saying Taylor Hall isn't being shopped by Edmonton? Eat some crow who ever you are. This guy has been available for the past 3 years. Gorther asleep at the wheel AGAIN!

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:35 pm EST

Higgy - he just made a case for being the worst GM in the league...certainly the worst to have a cup ring to show for it.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:34 pm EST

WIOSA - Larsson is good...but he's no all-star. He's never lived up to his draft potential and at best, he becomes McDonagh...who BTW, is a lot better than Larsson. Honestly, is see the guy as pre-eye injury Marc STAAL.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:34 pm EST

Chiarelli always gets smoked. Look at Seguin. He has now traded the first 2 picks from that year. I thought he would've learned from that.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:32 pm EST

Wow...supposedly one for one. Chiarelli just got SMOKED.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:31 pm EST

To think the majority of us would give up McDonagh for Hall...And all it took was Larsson, basically someone who has been a bust since he was drafted in the top 5.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:30 pm EST

Well maybe this will open up the trading market?

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:30 pm EST

Larson seems ok, he's 23 years old and a +15.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:29 pm EST

So Taylor Hall goes to the Devils for Larsson? That's it? And the NYR sat around and let that happen? Yikes!

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:28 pm EST

Bet the Oil got Zacha and Larsson...and still got taken badly.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:27 pm EST

If the Devils really get Hall, Gorton must be really confidant regarding Stamkos...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:26 pm EST

Time to play RF4L for a day. I will go first............Rangers name Martin St. Louis their new assistant coach, and Steven Stamkos signs for $11MM per. Rangers trade Ryan McDonagh to Edmonton for Taylor Hall. Rangers trade Derek Stepan and Marc Staal to Minnesota for Matt Dumba and a #1 pick. Rangers buy out Dan Girardi and sign Fedor Tjutin. How am I doin' RF4L?

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:26 pm EST

Hall deal completed.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:24 pm EST

Supposedly it's LARSSON-plus for HALL. Would be classic: Edmonton makes its first real push for a top defender and ends up with a guy who will never be a top defender.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:24 pm EST

Sounds like Devils have a deal for HALL, as Gorton does nothing... We have to be able to beat any deal the Devils have. Skjei has more upside than Larsson.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:22 pm EST

Twitter abuzz with rumors that Taylor Hall might be going to NJD, per Bob McKenzie

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:12 pm EST

I believe Yorkie mentioned it below. Would a trade of McDonough for Hall be a straight up hockey trade or would we have to add to it?

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:05 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug.... Tough decisions for Chiarelli, but this team goes nowhere without a major fix on D, and it's going to hurt however it gets done.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:02 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug .....Oilers may not get the best player in a trade, but the need is that bad on defence. Pulj + poss. of Lucic changes equation up front enough? .....If they continue to wait for a trade that they clearly win, it may never happen, and the hole never gets filled. Probly why it hasn't yet.... Hamonic would have been ideal, off market. Pietrangelo probly not moving, would NJD desperate for Off. move a core D? Severson+ or Larsson? .....There are options in Minny, but Dumba+ or Brodin+ are tough returns in Hall deal likely not enough. Fowler is 2nd pair and PP, Barrie too

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:59 pm EST

.Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug..... The chances of Hall being moved have never been greater than they are right now. The need for a defenseman is astronomical.... They may have to make a deal they know they don't win in order to fix their problems on D. Waiting for equal value hasn't worked..... #1 dmen rarely ever get moved for wingers. A #2 23 minute a night 2 way defender would be a realistic fix attainable in a Hall deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:59 pm EST

Time to play RF4L for a day. I will go first............Rangers name Martin St. Louis their new assistant coach, and Steven Stamkos signs for $11MM per. Rangers trade Ryan McDonagh to Edmonton for Taylor Hall. Rangers trade Derek Stepan and Marc Staal to Minnesota for Matt Dumba and a #1 pick. Rangers buy out Dan Girardi and sign Fedor Tjutin. How am I doin' RF4L?

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:34 pm EST

Development Camp list..... Andersson, Calle ...Betz, Nick ...Buchnevich, Pavel ...Buinitsky, Dmitri ...Chapie, Adam ...Day, Sean ...Donnay, Troy ...Duke, Reid ...Fogarty, Steven ...Fontaine, Gabriel ....Gettinger, Tim ...Graves, Ryan ...Gropp, Ryan ...Halverson, Brandon ....Joly, Michael ...Kovacs, Robin ...Morrison, Brad ...Nieves, Cristoval ...Ottenbreit, Turner ...Plesa, Matthew ...Plesa, Nicholas ...Plesa, Peter ...Ronning, Ty ...Skapski, Mackenzie ...Smith, C.J ....Stromwall, Malte ....Tambellini, Adam ...Wall, Tyler ....Yaremko, Rylan ...Zborosky, Zachary ....Zborovskiy, Sergey.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:32 pm EST

E I don't see him as bad as you do but, as said below, I fear signing him and think the Rangers need to go in another direction.

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:27 pm EST

Eric Staal is slow, plodding and is losing his game rapidly. I think the NYR leaning is going to be more towards fast, aggressive bottom-6. And Staal is a bottom-6 player regardless of what he believes. I'm much more interested in UFA like Darren Helm, Grabner right now to tighten up the PK. And the 3rd line needs playmakers and game breakers. And E. Staal with his top-6 minutes in Carolina bloating his stats ain't gonna cut it with more limited ice time with the NYR.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:22 pm EST

Did they post the Prospects Camp Roster anywhere yet ?

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:48 pm EST

I think Despo used to call him something like Rooty Tooty Tyutin.... Per Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline ..... #CBJ Fedor Tyutin had a $4.5M cap hit thru 2017-18. With buyout, he'll count $1.21M this season, $1.96M next and $1.46M in '18-19, '19-20.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:33 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/seth-jones-six-year-32-4-million-deal-creates-pickle-for-blue-jackets-and-jets/

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:32 pm EST

Rootin Tyutin (TD it rhymes!) (LHS)...Someone's gonna scarf this guy up......http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2329

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:25 pm EST

Per Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline...... #CBJ are buying out the contract of D Fedor Tyutin.... Tyutin had two years remaining at $4.5 million per season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:05 pm EST

I'd entertain a line up with Eric Staal, but would Eric Staal entertain coming back to the Rangers???? The guy is a class act, as are the rest of the Staals.. If memory serves correctly, he only dropped some subtle hints about how he was used here....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:51 am EST

I'd stay away from Eric Staal....After last year's fiasco, I have no clue if his bad play was a result of AV and his usage or Staal's slipping play or a likley combo of both...I would say I might take him as a 3rd line C making about 2 mill but even that seems risky and it's something he wouldn't agree to unless he has noithing come September..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:29 am EST

BTW, Staal acknowledged he is facing a significant pay cut. Will he take a low-balled one year in order to revitalize himself and value and look at something longer term in and around the $4,000,000 mark. Will be interesting to see where he lands.....

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:23 am EST

For a little guy who's deathly afraid of getting hit, Mason Raymond forged himself a decent NHL career and made some decent $$ doing so.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:20 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ...... Mason Raymond (CGY) and Eric Nystrom (NSH) on buyout waivers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:19 am EST

York: Stamkos is likely plan A and surely Gorther has a plan B and a plan C. If he doesn't you're right - chaos will ensure, but it'll be a slow and steady drop to that chaos and the end result will likely be AV fired and the Rangers in the draft lottery mix for 2017.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:16 am EST

FWIW, Eric Staal is saying 1) he believes he can still play in the league and 2) is seeking a team prepared to give him a shot at playing center in the top 6. Of course, Gorther gives up 2 2nds and a solid prospect to get him and the coach sticks him on the 3rd line and often at wing. Disconnection or what? All that said, Staal might be a plan B for Gorther, assuming he's not commanding a ridiculous salary and that would make Stepan expendable. Now if that's accurate, it surely means Gorther won't be asking Marc to waive his NMC...

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:16 am EST

If gorther only plan was stamkos this team is in serious trouble. Maybe it's time to think about moving the captain to Edmonton for hall.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:13 am EST

Maybe if you dress as Tonto

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:06 am EST

The waiting is the hardest part. Is there any way to wake up Monday with Taylor Hall a Ranger?

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:56 am EST

Hospo: The BJs are up against the cap so the Oil would have to take salary back, meaning going to Edmonton likely would be one of Tjutin/Hartnell plus whatever d-man the Oil are after.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:44 am EST

Like Mcilrath, Graves has a cannon of a shot from the point, hardest in the AHL...Long term, can't see Rangers keeping both Graves and Mcilrath (TBT--to be traded)under AV..We'll see..IMWO, .CBJ would be fools to go for RNH..Torts will eat him alive......had read that Edmont wanted a bit more than DUmba or Brodin for RNH..Stepan is a better player than RNH..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:44 am EST

RhetOric............can we trans plant it into Hank !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:32 am EST

“I’m not a flashy player,” Graves said. “I’m a physical, stay-at-home defenseman. I stick to my game. I won’t be the guy trying to rush the puck or putting up a lot of goals. Maybe the points will come in games when I get chances. If they don’t, they don’t. It’s not something I think about a lot."......Hartnett: Like Skjei, Rangers Prospect Ryan Graves Could Make Quick Leap To NHL..... http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/29/hartnett-rangers-ryan-graves/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:21 am EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 ..... Don't be surprised if #BlueJackets try to swing deal for Ryan Nugent Hopkins. Have some young D depth Oilers would like. $$ an issue though

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:20 am EST

Concerned about CTE, Ranger great Mike Richter says he'll 'probably' donate brain to science..... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-great-richter-concerned-cte-donate-brain-article-1.2692089

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:57 am EST

I'm confident Gorton has plans & considerations if Stamkos signs elsewhere.... Could be a blessing in disguise if we don't land him, and start turning this tanker (as in ship, a noun, not to tank, as in a verb) a bit slower...... :-)

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:49 am EST

Makes sense, given where he grew up...and where he lives.......Bolts..Leafs..Sabres..maybe Red Wings....Hope GORTON is working on the premise that the Rangers have no chance at STAMKOS and has a plan rather then a few reactionary moves.......We'll see in a few days..But, if no Stamkos, Likely both Brass and Step stay....Don't love that idea one iota but very probable.......But we can't have HAYES as the 3rd Center with those two,,

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:43 am EST

interesting on the after tax take-home pay. Perhaps why Stevie Y offered $8.5mill over 7 or 8 yrs......

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:41 am EST

On to Plan B?? .....Per Howard Berger@Berger_BYTES...... A "birdie" whispered to me that Steven Stamkos is looking primarily at the #Leafs and #BuffaloSabres, were he to leave Tampa. Hmmm.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:48 am EST

https://mobile.twitter.com/DobberHockey/status/747994864554381312

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:25 am EST

York - You're wrong. LOL.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:33 am EST

TD sorry I don't have endless hours to sit on a message board like you and I certainly am not wasting a solid night watching you try and be witty. The only thing you left out was I'm rubber youre glue. Now you're trying to use my lines as your own sad sir very sad when you're ready to talk real hockey let me know because with you it's far and in between. When you actually have a nugget a wisdom but a blind squirrel does find a nut. Why D not you tell us how replaceable hags still is or how the rangers aren't having cap issues while the rest of the hockey world disagrees with you. Or how Jansen is the second coming oh wait wasn't etem supposed to make everyone forget about hags?

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:28 am EST

Rhet0ric - I don't think Tampa will pay him $10 million...if they were, they would have done it by now...think their max was something in the neck of $8 million-plus over eight...which I guess if you adjust for taxes is probably in the realm of what other teams in higher taxed areas will pay... I don't think a team will go overboard and offer him $12 million per...think most teams will round out at slightly less for a seven-year duration. And that will mean he picks the place where he wants to play hockey for the next decade or so.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:25 am EST

stevielegs - I would be remiss to say STAMKOS level of production and what in fact he'd bring for $10 million plus isn't a concern. The other concern is that unlike other top centers in the league, he's never been that great at faceoffs...which is one area the Rangers need to improve in short order...But I also don't think there's another way to simultaneously improve the Rangers as a team AND greatly bolster the farm system without losing much.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:18 am EST

Hospo - no pissing match. I was just telling him he's right...because he's always right. I was just trying to figure out what the proper-sized clownshoe I need to be perpetually right. I'll try a different tact today and just disagree with everything he says.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:17 am EST

I'm not ... RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 28, 2016 9:42 PM devils advocate, concerned that you’re paying $10M for a guy with eight more points than Brassard? - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-if-i-werent-sure-i-wouldnt-come-here/#sthash.M6pJvCEl.jYHcF9nu.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:04 am EST

“He’s going to have every chance,” Clark said, “to prove he’s not good enough.”....try to prove he's good enough.....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:28 am EST

Off on vacation folks. I'll be back in a few weeks. Enjoy the insanity of the next few weeks. If I can read and post from time to time I will but otherwise.....LETS GO RANGERS!!!!

Vic


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:27 am EST

RHET: All part of why the Rangers will have to throw much more money at him then anyone else just to make it even.

Vic


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:25 am EST

He would have to have the world's worst accountant, but it's still interesting....Per Cap Friendly: How much Steven Stamkos earns after taxes. [Based on a $10M Contract].... Toronto Maple Leafs: $4.7M..... Montreal Canadiens: $4.7M.... Tampa Bay Lightning: $6.1M..... Buffalo Sabres $5.2M.... New York Rangers: $4.8M.... Detroit Red Wings $5.4M..... Vancouver Canucks $5.3M.... Boston Bruins: $5.5M.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 11:37 pm EST

Kinda funny how the Rangers are one of 3 teams (LA and NYI) that have at least two payers (Glass and Holden) in the NHL's 2015 Top 20 Hits..Basically, I don't see na offer for Matt Martin coming if he wants over 3 mill per

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 11:06 pm EST

Damn sorry I mussed tonight's episode of Pissing Contest Theatre....And no, iyou don't want to imagine the old Channel 11 WPIC commercial..Anyway.reading it a few hours after the fact just doesn't carry the punch, the vivlality, nay, the world impacting power of seeing it live..Teach me to leave the wall...All kidding aside, play nice boys......As for STAMKOS, I still think TB makes a few trades (like BISHOP and a s few others) and keeps him in FLA with the zero state incme tax and a home his family loves..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:44 pm EST

MF.... http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:39 pm EST

ahhh yessss, and doesn't the "group classification" come into play too?

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:32 pm EST

BTW, for Boston to offer sheet him, they would have to offer him $9,388,080 or more. That's because they don't have any of the requisite picks left other than their next 4 First Round Picks. Which is what it would cost them. The new Shea Weber contract.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:26 pm EST

MF... Not so. It depends on the Dollar amount you offer a RFA. Trouba is most likely out of our price range. It's believed to have been asking the Jets for 8 years and $56 Mil. The Bruins offer sheet will most likely be more than that. I just can't see how we could sign him and get a center. Plus, theres that who waiting thing.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:08 pm EST

mf: I believe you're right! And good thing in a way - guess there's always the lighter side of stupidity to ease my annoyance... ;^)

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:04 pm EST

that would be our draft picks

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:04 pm EST

RF: I believe that we traded away the compensation necessary to tender an offer to another team's RFA

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:00 pm EST

OMG...sure hope Gorther doesn't sit on his hands much longer....LOLOLOL...

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:57 pm EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74....... Hearing lots of chatter today/tonight that #Bruins could be preparing an offer sheet for Jets RFA defenseman Jacob Trouba. #NHLFreeagency

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:38 pm EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/pavel-buchnevich-confident-about-making-transition-to-nhl-1.11981347

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:26 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-is-now-ready-with-playmaker-rep/

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:53 pm EST

Well guys, sorry I broke the York. Don't worry. He'll be back. He just needs some rest. Poor feller got himself all tuckered out.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:49 pm EST

C'mon York! You didn't REALLY leave did ya? We were jhavin' a good time...just playin' right? You're not gonna go to bed all sore are ya?

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:46 pm EST

Ya know York? You're onto something. Gonna start rhyming! Period! Can I get a hit? Boom bip with a brother named Tip and we're ready to flip!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:43 pm EST

Oh gee wilikers...,y clownshoes must of gotten in the way. Couldn't read your post York. But I'll assume it's right because everything your write is right. Haha...you see that? Right. Write. LOL!!! LAMO...oh wait...how does it go? LMAO. Gotta write that down on my shine box! Period!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:39 pm EST

Calling it a night from you TD your BS has grown tired PERIOD!

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:38 pm EST

Can Gorther sign Stamkos but not announce it till after he can move Nash, and or Stepan? Either way don't see this playing out where Stamkos ends up in NY unless it's Buff but it would be nice to have a legit star in his prime for once.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:36 pm EST

Oh I thought you were calling it a night. Guess not. Just like you weren't calling it a day when you told us all you'd be stepping away from this place and not gracing us with your wonderful insight.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:35 pm EST

And your catch phrases. Hilarious! Let me try. LMAO! Wow that feels good! So that's why you type that all the time. You're onto something. When you call Stamkos later tonight, do give us the scoop.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:35 pm EST

TD no thank you sir, it's always fun watching you BS your way into a post please tel me once again all about the stadium called MSG

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:34 pm EST

TD it's You're right as in you are right, not your right, which makes YOU wrong. ROFLMAO LMAO, LOL Bazinga, =) ;) don't know if there are more.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:33 pm EST

Pow boom bop! SHAZAM! This place is popping now. Thanks for stopping by York and gracing us with your infinite knowledge.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:32 pm EST

RHET what is to say those deals are any good, if they were wouldn't Gorther have taken them? Also what's to say the Rangers don't have to eat salary on at least Nash's contract and maybe Steps? Finally I don't see any GM making a trade easy for Gorther knowing that they are screwed and have to dump players if Stamkos is already signed which means dealing from extreme weakness.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:32 pm EST

oh forgot the ol' ROFL...LAMO. LOL!! HA! Wow. ZING!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:31 pm EST

What was that York? Oh yeah...that's right. Everyone agrees with you. Oh yeah. Your right...again. Sheesh, I can't win one around here. Guess I'll just got get my shine box and clown shoes...how original! PERIOD!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:30 pm EST

MF LMAO thanks for helping TD out, obviously I'm not the only one who thinks he needs it.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:29 pm EST

VIC.... Once GORTON gets a commitment from Stamkos, he'll have a solid 24 hours to pull the trigger on the deals he's been working on for the past few weeks. He doesn't need to trade everyone, just Nash and Stepan. Between those two contracts (plus the cap space they already have), the NYR will have enough room to re-sign all of their RFA's and pursue UFA's as well .....Or, they could bring back some payroll in the deals they make for those players(either way). Stamkos then signs and it's official. Anyone he trades after those two is not being moved with his back up against the wall. IMO, Easy peasy.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:29 pm EST

TD before I call it a night two things, you don't have to apologize for being wrong, you'd be on this board apologizing a lot, second you don't have to tell me you are wrong we both know you already are, it's okay champ just head to the mirror and tell that guy you see on the other guy that's he's swell and people like him and want to be his friend.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:28 pm EST

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:27 pm EST

TD Unlike you I have a life and don't care what color a player likes, or what they watch but I'm sure you know a bunch of facts like that of a great many players good on you.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:23 pm EST

Wait no. You probably know that too. I'm sorry. I'm wrong again.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:23 pm EST

York- I bet you don't even know Stamkos' favorite movie.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:19 pm EST

TD absolutes like NYC is the best city in the world PERIOD! Or MSG is the best stadium in the world PERIOD the latter is my favorite stadium I love that LMAO let me let you in on a little secret Mr the Rangers aren't in cap hell, then why did they trade Hags, why did they have to give up extra draft picks for the Canes and Yotes to eat salary to obtain players if they have so much money? Finally yes they are in cap hell because they have 16 mill to sign 6 players and this is a team that wasn't very good all year and needs to improve and Buch and Jansen are not the saviors of this franchise which means there is very little room to actually do a lot. Funny how everyone but you seems to think the Rangers are having cap problems including the Rangers themselves but hey what do they know compared to you. FInally if I was arguing with myself it would actually be a pointed argument unlike arguing with you which is akin to arguing with a bonobo, don't worry I'll give you time to look it up.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:19 pm EST

VIC: you're correct, I agree, but I don't feel it's a blanket statement that applies to all..........."hey league," we're looking to move Ryan McDonagh." Do you think we will lack for a marketplace to sell to? ..... Do you think we're going to be offered less for him because we're above the cap?

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:04 pm EST

MF: It has nothing to do with collusion. After signing STAMKOS GORTHER becomes a "motivated seller". That means he HAS to make deals to shed contracts. Other parties are not pressured to make those deals and everyone involved knows it. When negotiating a deal if one party is in the position of HAVING to make a deal the other party has the upper hand. They can drive the price down because they don't have to buy. And in the case of the NHL there are only a very limited number of buyers out there. Subtract from that the people that don't have a need or desire to make a deal. Also subtract from that those that don't have the Cap space to make a deal. The Rangers may only have one or two teams to try to sell individual players to.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:50 pm EST

Oh crap. I just reread the wall. Looks like STAMKOS isn't coming here after all. York proclaimed it so therefore it must be true. Oh and the Rangers are in cap hell because they only have $16 million to sign six guys...And no teams are doing them any favors. Because that's what GMs do for one another...favors..party favors! Yes doom! No one will trade with the Rangers because the KNOW how screwed they are and they want to keep them there...mired in this hell they're in...it's a league conspiracy! By Jove, I'm glad I read the wall.. Genius! Man am I glad I stopped in, because otherwise I would have expected there might be a trade or two in the coming week. Lord knows that ain't gonna happen. Just like we know STAMKOS won't come to NYC because the ice sucks almost as bad as the city...and we all know he's just going to sign in Toronto with their $7 million in cap space. Sheesh. And it was all so obvious. Thanks guys for setting me straight!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:45 pm EST

RF: I don't neccesarily jump all over Sather for going all in post 2011. He had a contender and while we can question the decisions on personnel (see D. Boyle over Stralman.) But what was clear to me and was stated somewhere at the beginning of 15-16 that they were gonna give these guys one more shot. And they fell short. And it looks clear that the New York Rangers are putting a lot of the roster in play.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:41 pm EST

York - did you mention something? No just arguing with yourself again. And btw, no one is saying STAMKOS is coming here. But you'd be a fool to think the Rangers aren't gunning for him. Or to speak in absolutes.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:39 pm EST

So if The Rangers sign Stamkos the other GM's are going to collude to under bid for other Rangers reported to be available? ..... Hear ye, hear ye; Mcdonagh, Stepan, Zucc, Brassard, Nash are all available & we're listening to offers.... Then comes the collusion conspiracy, shh, shh, the Rangers are Cap Strapped don't try to improve your team............

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:27 pm EST

I'd rather have stamkos a nyr , and fishboy then get screwed than not ....since he probably figured out on draft day he's screwed more than he thought ....either way he's in cap hell , or he has less of a team than last season ... And still getting screwed ....or he's stuck with the contracts his roster has ... Alias screwed....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:20 pm EST

Well few mention guys being underpaid for their past which is part of why they ask for the moon when it's their turn and future ....the NHL has made this situation and so have the owners and gms ... Then it becomes the greedy overpaid players ...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:19 pm EST

YORK: That is the problem. GORTHER has no leverage at all. He can go sign STAMKOS but right after that he is going to get screwed trying to shed contracts to get under the Cap.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:10 pm EST

Stamkos is not coming here unless you're dreaming that there is all this empty magic cap space to sign him without getting gouged everywhere else. Doesn't seem like anyone is in a quick hurry to help Gorther out of the bind everyone but the few blind fans who post here know he's in.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:09 pm EST

TD sorry that Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz didn't have the same dramatic effect without the PERIOD! It's okay you can put your clown shoes back in the closet now.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:06 pm EST

E you mention players Girardi in particular being paid for past performances and not future consideration, isn't that how 99% of contracts work? No one is paid well if they didn't play good. They aren't going to be paid 10 mil a season on the hopes that they will be better in the future with no sign of it in the past. That's why the Daigle rule was put in place so rookies couldn't be sickly over paid. It's a slippery slope but do you think Kanes contract was just based on his future performance or what he did prior to that contract coming up? There would be WAY more UFA every year top skilled ones if it went on tomorrows hope only.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:45 pm EST

TDCHI has mentioned a few of these, but the following didn't receiver qualifying offers and might be worth a FLyer or two for the Rangers depending on other moves---- Brandon PIRRI, Brett CONNOLY, Beau BENNETT, Devantae PELLEY-SMITH, Patrick WIERCIOCH, Jeremy MORIN

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:27 pm EST

E: Yep and for me (and some others) the kicker is this: We called for G to be traded in his contract year. The same thing with Staal, although not with quite the same sense of urgency given his younger age, higher skill and less wear and tear overall. I do understand the desire to keep an effective core together and therefore, the concern that trading one of these guys in the height of that core's effectiveness, but like it or not, part of a GM's responsibility is keeping an eye on things that are past the now. Sather is guilty as hell of not doing that for too long. Compounding that near-sightedness is in his (what I perceive to be) overwhelming urge to win a cup before he retires, he ended up making a series of trades where he clearly overpaid for what he was getting. I think (or like to anyways and whether I'm right or wrong will be born out in the next several days perhaps) that Gorton is cognizant of the mess Sather has left him and is very leery of making the same mistake, thereby worsening the situation. His Staal trade was more of the same - surely he is looking to do something far more future savvy (or at least not future compromising). It must be keeping him up at night....or should be....

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:23 pm EST

http://www.sportaddictions.com/nhl/new-york-rangers-nothing-matters-unless-gorton-fixes-one-thing/

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:23 pm EST

RF: Buch will be brought along slowly I'm sure. He's playing on the small rink. Less time and space. But I am not expecting a ton from him this season. Never know though. Contrary to some I've seen some players develop well under AV.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:16 pm EST

NHL Network Radio thought for the day that stuck with me. Paying top dollar for role players who have won the cup. Whether via free agent or investing in your own player. Pointed out that SCF experience is not any greater then playoff experience. Teams routinely overvalue a player based on winning. Pointed out Bickell, and Richards as great examples. Felt that you get a guy because he fits a role that you need period... That stated, I don't know where the New York Rangers are with that thinking. For certain, G was rewarded for past performance and not future contributions. When he should've been moved. Hindsight being what it is. New York Rangers gotta be prepared to cut bait sooner.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:44 pm EST

Well I certainly like Buch's confidence but for sure, we need to wait and see. I wonder how he'll react if/when he struggles and AV cuts his icetime or worse, wants him farmed out. That said, maybe he'll be a stand-out and compete for rookie of the year. Given the slow development of the Rangers latest 2 offensive prospects (Kreider and Miller) wouldn't it be nice if that happened?

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:37 pm EST

Pavel Buchnevich insisted Tuesday that he believes he is ready to play for the Rangers this season, and that his game can make the jump from Russia’s KHL to the bigger, faster NHL, even if he has plenty of physical work to do. “If I weren’t sure I wouldn’t come here,” Buchnevich said through translator Nickolai Bobrov, the team’s director of European scouting. Buchnevich, 21, is the top prospect in the Rangers organization, and was that even when Anthony Duclair was still a Ranger. The team tried to bring him to the NHL last season, but he felt he needed another year of “experience” in the KHL. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-if-i-werent-sure-i-wouldnt-come-here/#sthash.km14Gb2D.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:36 pm EST

Would anyone consider bringing Brad Richards back for a year on a cheap contract as our 3rd line center?

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:31 pm EST

Dunno about Demers, but didn't the Kings give Lucic's agent permission 2 weeks ago to speak to all 29 teams? The question is rhetorical - yes they did so I suspect that includes the permission to negotiate a deal, probably with the hopes that the Kings, if it happens before July 1, get a mid-round pick. And 6 years for Lucic at the money he'll likely get is asiinine.

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:25 pm EST

Dhiren Mahiban ‏@dcmahiban ...... Lucic re: signing with Edmonton: "I didn't. Not allowed to. And I haven't made decision"

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:23 pm EST

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey ........ LeBrun/Stamkos: "I got the sense the Rangers were not going to be a player at this point." #NYR #TBLightning

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:20 pm EST

Hospo: I saw something that said the NYR spoke with Martin, but that after one conversation it was a non starter. Perhaps his agent made it clear he expected 3X the contract as before.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:18 pm EST

Nothing about who the Rangers might have talked to? The latest Matt martin list didn't mention the Rangers..I can see the following: Stamkos, Helm, Riley Nash, Grabner, McGin, Weise, Martin, Boedker.......D looks very slim

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:14 pm EST

I saw that "bullshit" tweet..Who knows..Odds are he signs with Edmonton

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:13 pm EST

DJ Bean ‏@DJ_Bean 31m31 minutes ago Milan Lucic just told me report he's agreed with Oilers is "bullshit."

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:12 pm EST

Hospo: From what I understand, teams can talk about how a player would be used. Benefits of playing for a team, like the MSG training center, and top end trainers, doctors and stuff. They can even talk about how many outside deals can be made for endorsements that current players have. They can't talk about length or value of a deal. I am sure however there are ways around that when they talk to the agents in order to get an idea about if they are close or not to being able to sign a guy.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:05 pm EST

York - ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz....You done yet?

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:04 pm EST

Lombardi gave other teams permission to negotiate.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:03 pm EST

WILD18/Yorl18 - I thought the same....It's a reporter from the Edmonton Sun reporting it..Whether he has inside info, I have no clue.........What cna these guys talk about in this pre-July 1 period..I thought it was anything but signing on the dotted line..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:02 pm EST

York: That was my thought...unless they were given permission. Lucie could have said "hey I am going to the Oilers no matter what" and they may have just giving them the blessing to talk numbers and work out a deal.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:01 pm EST

HOSPO very surprised thats tampering

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:59 pm EST

TD pressure what pressure is there to win a cup in NY? Did you just start being a fan of this franchise? There is no pressure here to win a cup, there is no pressure the Rangers take a back seat to the knicks, Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets there is no pressure. As for NYC being the best city period LMAO oh yeah what was I thinking you say it's so and so it is. LMAO and since you said period it makes it that much more of a solid statment. I haven't been in NYC very much or Boston? LMAO there you go another stupid comment you should have said period at the end because then you would have most certainly been correct. Actually when it comes to ice the players were polled a number of times and Edmonton is said to have the best ice, but hey players don't think about those things right? Best stadium in the world, it's an arena for starters. Need to make up your mind sir, if there is all this pressure in NY walking around unnoticed isn't going to happen, hence not any pressure PERIOD! (see what I did there, now I'm right LMAO) What do the caps have to do with the Rangers making stupid deals? Nothing, oh yeah we can wallow in comfort that there is a GM making bigger boneheaded moves? Great we have the second stupidest duo in the the league man is that a comfort, thank god we have perspective like this makes losing and stupid deals feel so much better, oh wait it doesn't.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:58 pm EST

Hospo: One must wonder if the Oilers had permission to do so. Teams are not supposed to talk numbers yet....unless they give permission for that.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:55 pm EST

From ZIP - Edmonton Journal reporting the Oilers have six year deals already worked out with LUCIC and DEMERS (SJ)

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:48 pm EST

andrei: WOW! SO you win face-offs with Duchene and than promptly have a goal scored against when he refuses to use his teammates and turns the puck over but doesn't even attempt to get back to the defensive zone. Great. Just great. lets improve at the dot while allowing more goals against and adding a non team guy who has not accomplished anything and was excited about the world championships while his team was still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:45 pm EST

Wildcard, i'm sorry dude, but a center that can't win a face-off and is #79 in the league, is not a number 1, and barely number 2... I'l take Dushene over Stepan.

andrei


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:43 pm EST

Vic - are you using the 2014 Olympics as a benchmark to say Step isn't as good as Kesler or Stastny? Guy was 23 years old. Both those guys were vets of international competition and had played on the silver medal team in 2010. And then there's the obvious: That was two years ago.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:39 pm EST

And. IMWO, a better option than Ryan Nugent Hopkins, the player most frequently mentioned for teams looking for top 6/2nd line centers...I just don't want to see Gorton sell short on a valuable trade asset if it's the way ww go

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:38 pm EST

LOL...There you go York. Arguing to read yourself argue. 1. I don’t live in Connecticut. Kind of dislike the state, TBH. 2. NYC: Best city. Period. And if you think the Rangers have even a fifth of the pressure the B’s do, then you haven’t been to either city very much. 3. Garden ice? For real? When was the last time you heard a hockey player say “MAN I’m glad I don’t play for the Rangers because of that damn ice.” No, actually, most of them say MSG is the best stadium in the nation to play in. 4. There's a big diference between walking around as an unknown and being a superstar when you want to be a superstar...and being unknown when you want to be unknown...Can do that in NYC. Can't do squat in Columbus...Can't believe I'm even bothering responding...But whatever. You’re just being argumentative. And no, it’s called perspective bud. You have folks around here who depict Gorton/Sather as this bumbling duo over the friggin’ Hags trade and how the Rangers give up this and that and blah blah blah…perspective dude. When was the last time the Caps won the cup? Oh yeah. Never.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:36 pm EST

the new 91 for now......http://bcove.me/jqpw4tgn

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:36 pm EST

VIC - Depends on the team make-up and what you need..I would take Kesler also if I needed size/FO ability down the middle--like the Rangers do......Step is a differnt type of player.......As for Stastny vs Step...I pretty ,much find them the same exact player..but Step is 4 years younger....These are all good players wit h Step, as an indivudual as good or better now and for the future (4 years youngerthan Stasny, 56 years yiunger than Kessler)...decent to good contract and he should have high value around the league for a team looking for offense and some all around play in the Top 6

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:29 pm EST

Vic: yes...because we all know the best players always make national teams....and as I said, Stepa and Stastny are VERY close to each other, but Step is younger, and that has something to do with it as well...Step was just 24, maybe 25 depending on birthdate I didn't figure that out, during the Olympics. And boy oh boy where would team USA have been with out the 2 goals and zero assists from Stastny. Perhaps they should have played Step.....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:25 pm EST

2 ways to go add more goal scoring after being 7th in the league . Or fix the defensive game to be better than 15 th in the league... Or better yet do both ....sign stamkos and take away one of weeknow ' s excuses so either he succeeds or gets canned ...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:24 pm EST

HOSPO: KESSLER and STATSNY played for Team USA while STEPAN sat. Clearly they were considered better by Team USA.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:23 pm EST

VIC: There are MULTIPLE teams who have LESS at C than the Rangers, they want Stamkos to take over as #1 and move their current #1 to the second line. They would gladly take Step to improve their overall C position.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:21 pm EST

Stamkos is 10000 times the defensive player Duchene is. And has more heart and team identity than Duchene has even had. Duchene (duchess as he is known by many) may be faster and get more points, but he doesn't help a team win. No way no how would I trade Step for Duchess, no way.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:20 pm EST

So far fishboy's retool looks like a refool... He has to dip into the ufa pool just to save face .... Or he can continue to go with coming close but no cigar line ...had a big one on the line but he got away ...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:18 pm EST

WILD: Easy now. I am just listing comparable players from a position or contract perspective. I also listed SEGUIN. STEPAN isn't even on the same planet as SEGUIN as a player. As for DUCHENE, I'm sorry but DUCHENE is a way more talented player then STEPAN. From offensive ability to skating it isn't really even close. STEPAN is a better defensive player. But what are the Rangers looking for in STAMKOS? Certainly they aren't going after STAMKOS for his defensive game right? The Rangers need game breaking offensive talent. STEPAN has never been and will never be that. That is why I fired back at you when you suggested that other teams would fall back to STEPAN as option B if STAMKOS goes elsewhere. There is no way I buy that. It may be true from the Rangers perspective because he is already here and because there are no better alternatives available.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:18 pm EST

They are bigger and more physical, but the game is going away from that..And STep was all over the lineup the last two years, AV preferring Brass as his number 1..And none of them killed penalties as good as Step or scored shorthanded..And Stepan is very sound positionally./defenseively......Just as a quick look....STEP 140 G 108 Points +31 68 Blocks 24 PPP 9 SHP.....Staal 128/72 points/even/46 blks/17 PPP/ 2 SHP.........................Kesler 160/100 pts/even/161 blocks/26 PPP/4 SHP.............Stastny 138 GP/121 points/+8/70 Blocks/29 PP/0 PKP.......And Stepan is the youngst by far,.....I am not a Stepan fan,,.I just think you're trying too hard to dismiss him

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:11 pm EST

and I wont even touch Dubi being a better player....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:08 pm EST

Duchene is NOTHING compared to Stepan. He is a one dimensional me first non team player that has never accomplished a damn thing in his 7 year NHL career. The fact that you even list him as a comparable is laughable. Stastny is a SLIGHTLY more offensive player but not as good defensively as Step. I have seen a LOT of Stastny. He and Step are very close to the same player, neither are first line centers. And Staal doesn't even score at the same pace as Stepan. In one breath you call Duchene a comparable and it MUST be based only on production becsaue he has no defensive game to speak of, and than Staal is better but scores less. You are completely all over the map.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:06 pm EST

HOSPO: Sure STEPAN has been better then most of those guys over the last few years because he has been the in the #1 Center role for most of that time and has been a fixture on the #1 PP. But guys like KESSLER and STAAL are bigger, more physical and much more difficult to play against, especially in the playoffs. Again I agree with you, we will see what happens over the next week.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:59 pm EST

TD no it's not oerspective, it's excusing ones failure by trying to lessen the blow by pointing to someone else's failure. That is what weak minded people do to correct sole their failure instead if owning it. They say well this guy screwed up too so what, doesn't change the fact of your screw up nor make it any less significant. Your idea that NY is some great place if it's so great why do you live in ct? I know plenty of people who don't like NY. Another thing the ice sucks at msg especiky come spring ask anyone who has played on that ice. You a t like my is the be all end all Boston is absolutely comparable Toronto and if he's looking to not be bothered when he's not playing plenty of places for that Carolina Columbus are college sports town hockey players can walk the streets there around the arena not bothered bumped into my buddy clooch in Columbus before a bjs game years ago he was walking around the arena outside no one bothering him

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:57 pm EST

RF4L - I think the STAMKOS situation is jamming up the whole league. I can't remember a draft day that was as slow as last week. And I mean ZILCHO is going down...just small trades of little consequence. YANDLE was the biggest name dealt, followed by SHAW and ANDERSEN...think things will start hopping the minute that guy inks...but until then...all quiet on the western front.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:46 pm EST

Hospo – Yeah, I think I kind of missed the point of what you were asking…if it’s “who is ready behind Buch for top six duty?” Answer: No one. JENSEN is a maybe…but I’m not sold on him having top-six potential. Could be a FAST/LINDBERG-type player…TAMBELLINI is next up. Kid has a world-class release…but the rest of his game is fairly pedestrian. I see NIEVES breaking in much the same way Lindberg did. But no doubt, there’s a dearth of top-six talent in Hartford. Buch falters, they’re going to either need to look outside the organization or promote someone like Lindberg or Fast…assuming HAYES is dealt...HRIVIK definitely not top six...but I wouldn't be surprised to see him start as the fourth-line center, depending on what happens with the Stamkos sweepstakes.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:34 pm EST

VIC - Honestly, if you put the stats (including special teams) of J. Staal, Stastny, Kesler and Stepan for the last two years next to each other, STEPAN would be the winner (and I'm surprised) with only Stastny putting up an arguement...Stepan is a good all around player..Only place he takes a back seat is FOs and hits and hits don't matter anymore...Add in the fact that STEP is 26 vs Staal (28); Stasny (30) and Kesler (32),,,Stepan is the best bang for the buck...As for Marchand, I'd rather have him too but, face it, his salary of 5 mill will be going UP next year when he becomes a UFA...Bottom line, Step is a good player and a pretty fair/decent contract compared to others...I jsut don't like him and Brass together and one should be dealt....Stepan is easier befoer the NMC kicks in...We'll see if the Rangers want to trade him and what they can get in return

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:29 pm EST

tdchi: I totally agree with your assessment re: Stamkos in NY. It is the media capital of the world. The NHL tried and continues to make Crosby their poster boy and it has not worked. One he plays in Pittsburg and two he an ass. Stamkos in NY would be akin to the attention received when Messier was here. Endorsements are one piece. The ego inflating notoriety of being the centerpiece of NHL marketing may be more important.

gene_carr


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:09 pm EST

STRANGER NATION on JUNE 28, 2016 3:12 PM I quick look at ESPN stats, NYR was 7th in Goals/Game http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/team/_/stat/scoring/sort/goals . Bigger issue was goals against – 15th (and that is with Henk standing on his head in Oct/Nov) - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/27/rangers-development-camp-restricted-free-agents-status-hhof-inductees-etc/#prettyPhoto

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:04 pm EST

WILD: STAAL, STATSNEY and KESSLER are all better players then STEPAN. DUBI was considered a bad contract at $5.8 Mil per year and I think he is the better player as well. Do you want to go team by team and look at comparable players and what they are making. Like HENRIQUE who is making $4 Mil or SCHEIFELE who is making $830k. Or MARCHAND at $5 Mil or DUSCHENE at $6 Mil or SEGUIN at $6 Mil, or COYLE at $2.6. We can keep going on down the list. In the end none of this matters. As HOSPO said, we will see how things go down in reality over the next week or so.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:00 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/canucks-gm-jim-benning-fined-50000-for-tampering-following-comments-about-stamkos-subban/

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:58 pm EST

http://blogs.northjersey.com/ranger-rants/buchnevich-confident-in-making-adjustment-to-nhl-1.1623070

RDW


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:38 pm EST

cerebral coach attracts cerebral players....a regular think tank....anyone for chess.....?.....a mind is a serious thing to waste... mind over matter...if you don't mind, it don't matter.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:30 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/rangers-attempt-sign-trade-tampa-stamkos/

puckyou


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:26 pm EST

My name is Hayes. I make lots of plays. Plays for the other team but I see myself as a real playmaker.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:15 pm EST

""I am a thinking player, a cerebral player, a playmaker"- #NYR prospect Pavel Buchnevich....Just what we need, another passer....Step has gotta go! ;)

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:01 pm EST

WILD - True about the FA's also...It's not that the Rangers aren't ready to deal yet, it might be the orher teams...Looking at UFAs, there's very little of interest for the Rangers (No offensive D-men, and a few forwards that will be too high priced (LAdd, Backes) other then some bottom six players....They could trade now.....Other teams may want to fill first...

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:01 pm EST

Could be that if Step could fetch a 1st-he'd have been dealt at the draft-or maybe just a late first. Either way-it's tough for the Rangers who have to deal good players to make room and risk NOT getting Stamkos and be put in a bad spot

puckyou


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:58 pm EST

I've seen Buch highlights and saw him play in bits and pieces-but the pic from prospect camp in a t shirt shows you what an absolute string bean this kid is. He needs to start bench pressing asap-he can't hold down a movie seat!

puckyou


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:57 pm EST

RF4L: I read something that was focused on Stamkos, but was also in regards to all UFAs. Teams have a UFA as play A due to not having to give up assets, and if they need to move a guy for cap space they can later. Plan B is making a trade. SO with that, as teams figured out they are out of the running for some player or they actually lose out they will begin to re-open trade talks. It does make sense, I mean, teams that are smart will find out all their options before making a move. I imagine Gorton is doing that, and just about every other GM is looking at things the same way. Hopefully coming closer to Friday and over the weekend things will break free.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:57 pm EST

WILD - Exactly on Stepan's salary..He's a valuable player, and it's fair......RF4L - It's not just Gorton's inactivity, the entire league is inactive now, at least on the surface...Just give it a few days

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:54 pm EST

If we sign STAMKOS, filling out the roster won't be easy. We might actually have to bring back Chris HIGGINs, who will be very cheap.

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:51 pm EST

Look at the list of NHL contracts. There are 4 or 5 centers who are NOT better than Stepan who make as much or more than Stepan, there are quite a few more who make within a million below him. Jordan Staal is not a 1st line center and just makes 500K less than Step, Stastny is not better, and he makes 500K more. Kessler is at 6.875 and is no first line center. SO why is it that Stepan making 6.5 means he makes too much for a 2nd line spot? Seems to me 2nd line centers tend to make...Hell Dubi makes 5.85 per.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:51 pm EST

BTW, heard earlier today that Dale Weise is being courted by 10 teams........

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:49 pm EST

So I wonder if Gorther's inactivity is all due to his focus/hope on landing Stamkos. If so, what is plan B and how soon will he trigger that if/when he learns Stamkos has opted to go elsewhere............

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:44 pm EST

VIC - Where we disagree, I think they can trade all of STEP, NASH, Girardi/Staal, and Hayes...and get some value in return as well as get uder the Cap....But, we shall see soon enough..as the useless opinions give way to reality,..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:41 pm EST

HOSPO: It all comes down to fitting under the Cap. If they have to pay $12.5 Mil against the cap per year for STAMKOS then just to cove that they need to shed that much against the Cap. That means STEPAN and one of GIRARDI/STAAL just to get that done. If they take any contracts back then they need to shed somewhere else. And I don't think they will trade NASH. I think you need NASH if you are bringing in STAMKOS. Adding a number 1 center but having to part with 2 top 6 forwards in the process isn't going to make them much better.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:41 pm EST

VIC - I'm no huge STEP fan, but think you really under-rating him.....I hate the BRASS-STEP duo (and lazy HAYES makes it 10 times worse), but individually, both are quite good 2nd line centers....And Step is as smart as they come on the ice and plays both the PP and PK....His contract will be fair for his value and I don't think teams will run and hide from it...

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:37 pm EST

TDCHO - I was thinking mainly offensively talented/able to play with Top 6 or other talented players.....I've seen HRVIK enough, 4th line/black ace nothing else.......I could see Jensem maybe starting on a 4th line......Nieves may reach that point but not yet.....Looks like BUCH or Bust for talent/goals..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:35 pm EST

WILD: Are you suggesting that the teams that are lining up to bid on STAMKOS are doing so because they just need a Center? The Rangers have no interest in STAMKOS because they need a Center. They are only interested in STAMKOS because he is light years better they anyone they have. And they would jettison STEPAN in a heartbeat to make room for STAMKOS. STEPAN was an attractive target when he was under 25 and making $3.5 Mil per year. But at 26 we already know what he is. And at $6.5 Mil per year what he is is and overpaid 2nd line Center. He is not a bargain that teams who were looking for a #1 Center are going to lineup for.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:33 pm EST

VIC - It doens't have to be an all or nothing thing with STEP...You obviously trade him to a team that is looking for a TOP 6 center, and there are many teams looking for one..You don't try and bury the entire contract bit instead obtain a lesser player (buit still valuable NHLer and paid less) and maybe a pic/prospect in return......You can do the same with Nash, Staal/Giradi ..dumping the salary..and maybe obtain a young NHL ready player (1-2 mill contract or so) in return..At least, that's what you try for...It may be ther, it may not be..It may have to be a total dump

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:32 pm EST

Vic - You're assuming that teams view STEPAN'S contract as bad. I do not make that assumption at all. The only reason there is talk about Step being moved is that he's the easiest contract TO move. You're just dead wrong on this. If you really want to doom-and-gloom the potential of a Stamkos signing, the lower hanging fruit is the chance of an offer sheet for any one of the Rangers' RFAs. Now THAT is a potential pitfall, not this ridiculous notion that they're gonna lose Step for a second rounder.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:29 pm EST

Hospo - Never seen KOVACS, but I've heard he's going to take some seasoning. Allegedly, the kid STROMWELL is closer than he is...from my perspective, I think in order of readiness in Hartford, you have JENSEN, HRIVIK...then outside of that? I think TAMBELLINI could make a jump next year, but still seems like he needs a few games at the AHL level...he's got an NHL release though, so I could see it happening...just probably not to start the season...and then NIEVES might not be far...again, haven't seen him play in person, but with the assignment the Pack was giving him this spring, they obviously hold him in pretty high regard. He basically stepped onto a team in a desperate fight for the playoffs and was handed the second-line center's position. Tell you what though: I'd be pretty taken back if BUCHNEVICH doesn't make the team. I don't think he'd be on this side of the Atlantic were it not for them telling him there's a roster spot for him to lose.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:29 pm EST

And as for STAMKOS.......First and foremost it is about the money. After the money the next factor is the money. And after that he will make his decision based on the money. You want STAMKOS????? Then throw more money at him then anyone else. I'm sure he wants to play close to home.....unless someone wants to throw more money at him. I'm sure he would like to play with EICHEL and the team they are building in Buffalo.....unless someone wants to throw more money at him.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:29 pm EST

Vic: Try half the teams who need a C who tried and failed to get Stamkos. They will still need a C and they don't grow on trees with the ability of Step at his age to play in all 3 zones.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:28 pm EST

Vic: they can waive him if he allows it for purposes of a buyout. If not it would be like Richards, he was just bought out because he didn't want to get selected by just any team. and wanted a choice of where to play. I imagine Giradi would fall in the same boat, especially with a family.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:25 pm EST

TD: On STEPAN, you are completely ignoring the fact that any trading partner would have to be willing to take on all $6.5 Mil per year Cap hit of STEPAN's contract without being able to send an unwanted contract back in return. That means that you either have to find someone with that much Cap space burning a hole in their pocket, or a team that is willing to try to fit him in under their cap by moving other contracts that they value. I don't think there are that many suitors when you take into account what has to happen in any deal with the Rangers. Like I said, you can try to start a bidding war but I don't think you are going to find too many folks interested in participating in a bidding war for an overpaid 2nd line Center.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:21 pm EST

Before anyone jumps on my I realize my SNAFU on suggesting that the Rangers can waive GIRARDI. I don't believe they can with his NMC unless he agrees to it.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:21 pm EST

Why would STAMKOS come to New York? Hmmm...Maybe because it's one of the best cities on the planet. One of the best arenas in the NHL. It's a place where you can be a superstar and avoid the limelight like no other professional athlete can. Because he would be the center of the franchise. Because they will make him a very rich man. Because the Rangers have a very good team still that really only lacks a player of his caliber. Because the Rangers experience some of the best treatment by the organization than any other team in the NHL...perks many other teams don't get... Because he doesn't need to be captain and doesn't have to lead as such, but can if he wants...Because its a franchise that has been among the most winning in the past five years. Because the Rangers are the largest market in the NHL and he'd probably get millions of dollars in endorsements alone by moving there...I don't know who the front runner is for Stamkos and I wouldn't be surprised if he signs elsewhere...but there are more than enough compelling reasons to come to New York if they throw the kind of contract he wants his way. I'm always amazed when folks here talk about the Rangers like their a tire fire. Very few NHLers have spurned their advances, often to our collective chagrin. I suspect if the Rangers want Stamkos, they can get him. There aren't many other teams that can offer the same package they can.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:18 pm EST

E - I don't know, he or they may think he's ready but....new country, new languages, new league, more physical (guy is slight). more discpline and resposnibility required....I don't think it's a given he will be in the NHL line-up from Day 1....but it's what is wanted by everybody

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:11 pm EST

Hospo: I don't think he would've left the KHL if he wasn't gonna play in the NHL. Who really knows but given a state where he is completely overwhelmed in the NHL I just can't see him not in the lineup. And like we all know, he is it. Go big or go home.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:10 pm EST

York - Perspective. It's called perspective.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:08 pm EST

Vic - I understand the dynamics just fine. I also know there are 28 other teams that would pay more than a second rounder for STEPAN if one GM were stupid enough to offer that deal. Like if Sharks offered a second rounder for Step, you don't think Gorton would be on the horn bidding him up to everyone else? And if you're the Ducks or the Kings, are you going to sit there and let an asset like Step go to a rival for chump change? F-no. Like I said: C'mon. You're talking utter nonsense right now. You're basically saying there are 29 GMs in this league that will collude so that one can make out like a bandit and that's total BS....as for DRAISAITL...I don't recall ever seeing or clicking a link from a viable news source you posted that was anything short of musing...couple weeks ago, there were boobs that were claiming Rutherford was talking to the Hawks about MALKIN. Was he? F-no. Did the thought cross his mind? Nope. He put that rumor to be pretty quickly. Didn't stop it from making the rounds on Twitter and the rumor sites. But total BS...Drais was NEVER in play. I mean, again...the guy wasn't ready for the NHL...he goes back to juniors and lights up the place..wins the WHL championship...is MVP...et cetera. If there WAS a window when he was available, it was before the Oilers picked him. He's been about as untouchable as they come since then. And yes, "even Gretzky was traded." We've all heard that line. But there was positively no way the Oil were going to give up a guy like that for the Rangers' backup goaltender, a third liner and their top center. Agreed that Step is a gem and agreed that other teams value him...but for Drais? Nope. Sorry bud. And another thing...you're talking about the Oilers...a team that is well-known for sitting on their assets until they're worthless(see YAKUPOV, PAAJARVI, and GAGNER)...this is a team that couldn't shit or get off the pot if you gave them a laxative.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:59 pm EST

If BUCH is not ready, is there any other offensively talented prospect that can make the jump?....What about this KOVACS kid? Too far away?

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:59 pm EST

guess Friday all will know.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:49 pm EST

If we don't sign STAMKOS, I hope STEP is taking some power skating lessons this summer becasue the guy needs to get faster...Has all the brains, instincts, skilll,..but without the physicality, a little more speed would be nice..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:47 pm EST

I say maybe 2 the nyr and the laffs.....maybe detroit .....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:45 pm EST

As many here have said there is no reason why STAMKOS would want to sign with the Rangers over the other options that he will have. In fact, you would have to believe that there is little to no chance of him coming to the Rangers. Unless...............the Rangers blow him away with the offer they make. That is why I believe it will take $12.5 Mil per for the Rangers to sign him (if not more) on a 7 or 8 year deal. Basically, if you throw enough money at him he will sign here. That is the game you have to be ready to play. And then you have to be ready to shed salary by essentially jettisoning players with little regard to obtaining fair value in return. You just need to shed contracts to fit STAMKOS. Trade STEPAN for whatever you can get that does not add a contract to your roster. Find someone who will basically take GIRARDI off your hands. Worse case you pass him through waivers and just let someone claim him. There are options here folks. They aren't pretty though. The Rangers have to decide if they want to play this game first. And if they do they need to see it through to the painful end.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:40 pm EST

how many would he really want to sign with ? ......http://www.sportsbreak.com/nhl/8-teams-steven-stamkos-should-leave-tampa-for/?streamview=all

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:40 pm EST

BOB - I agree..That lin-up was just fantasy based on Stamkos coming, which i don't think will happen.....If you don't sign STAMKSO, I agree that BACKES is not an option and you don't deal STEPAN unless you fond a different but equal center..(doubtful)...You won't win this year, but you still have to keep him

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:35 pm EST

Can't believe that Stamkos will come to NY. Backes is not an option because he is already slowing down and will cost too much. Trading Stepan is fine, but not without a replacement. Maybe JT Miler can be that. Maybe.

Bob


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:34 pm EST

E - And why I put him in the line-up deswpite my usual caution with kids...There's a good chance he may not be ready (all aroundgame and strength) but odds on the Rangers will do EVERYTHING to have him on the roster

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:29 pm EST

HOSPO/ I think Buch is playing on night-1. What line? Not sure.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:14 pm EST

Good points on STAMKOS..Don't think we have a snowball's chance in Hades for him but he is the right move for the Rangers,,,needs to be follwed by or in parallel with the dealing of NASH,STEP ,one of Staal/Girardi, Kevin Hayes and maybe more in several trades for Cap relief/picks, a YOUNG RH offensive d-man, and a solid bigger 3rd C........Then you fill in at FA with guys like Stalberg, Weise, Grabenr....and the promotion of Jensen....Unfortunately, alot of this hinges on BUCH coming right in and playing...One rosterbation session and maybe we could end up with...MZA-Stamkos-Miller; Kreider-Brass-BUCH; Fast-Coyle-Grab/FA; Stalberg-R.nash/Moore-Jensen (Lindberger later on).........with MCD, Klein,Brodin or Theodore, Skeji, Staal or Girardi, Mcilrath, holden on D...But yeah, I still think Mcilrath gets thrown in a deal somewhere.....Sorry, I was bored...

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:08 pm EST

There's got to be a limit where you say I'm not paying more for X player...

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:00 pm EST

Re: Evander Kane: Isn't it about time Commissioner Bettman read this guy the riot act ???

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 11:50 am EST

TD I don't care if another gm screws up I care if the gm if mine team screws up I hope every other tea. J. The leagues GMs screw up better for the rangers.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:36 am EST

RF4L.......not only that, but imagine if Stamkos doesn't sign there because of him.............this "dude" has become a disaster for their franchise.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:30 am EST

WILD: I don't disagree with any of that. However, the Rangers are a team that is in a closing window. Toronto and Buffalo are teams that will be on the rise for the next 5+ years. Does that matter to STAMKOS? I believe that it will need to be $12.5 Mil per for the Rangers to outbid those other teams that are closer to home an are more attractive long term opportunities. The Rangers always have to overpay. Why should this be any different?

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:14 am EST

Vic: most are talking 10-11 mil. Not 12.5. He has somethings he wants. Large market. Near his home. Toronto has both those in spades, but the largest market is NYC and it would be a quick hop on a plane to get to his hometown so perhaps that's close enough. No team could easily absorb 12.5 mil and for his criteria. He dosnt want to goto a crap team I would think, I'm sure he wants to be on a competitive team....so it's not like there will be 29 other teams looking at him.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:45 am EST

TD: I don't think you really understand the dynamics here. If the Rangers sign STAMKOS for what I think they will need to (about $12.5 Mil per year) the 800 lb gorilla in the room becomes Cap Space. The return they need from a STEPAN deal isn't equal value in a player. The return they need from a STEPAN deal is Cap Relief. The player named Cap Relief becomes the most important player in the deal. So if the Rangers trade STEPAN they need to get the player known as Cap Relief in return first and foremost. And not just the Cap Relief of any player. The Cap relief of a player making $6.5 Mil against the Cap. And you want a first rounder on top of that plus a legit prospect? I would tell you to go screw yourself if I was the GM on the other end of the phone. STEPAN is a good player but he is a #2 Center. I think you are going to be extremely disappointed with the return if STEPAN is dealt after they sign STAMKOS.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:38 am EST

TD: I posted the links to the articles last year when you said the same thing. There were articles out of Edmonton saying "The time to move DRAISAITL is now". There were people worried that he wasn't going to pan out. That he wasn't going to develop into a #1 type center and that the best time to move him was then because they still could have gotten a good return for him. Once he showed he wasn't going to be a #1 Center the return would have dropped considerably. The articles were out there. And if the media around the Oilers were thinking it then the Oilers had to have it as a concern as well. Did they ever come out and say "we are actively shopping DRAISAITL"? Of course not. But if the right offer were there (you know the kind from the Rangers that I mentioned that would have addressed several key needs for them) I have no doubt it would have been considered. Just like the Rangers with McDONAGH, SKJEI or BUCHNEVICH. The Rangers have no desire to trade any of them and you won't find an article that suggests they are shopping them or have any interest in moving them. But if the right deal came along GORTHER would help each of them pack their bags. So please stop with the DRAISAITL wasn't available. Everyone is available. How about this. Show me an article that shows the Rangers even tried.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:31 am EST

LOL..second round pick for STEPAN?!! C'mon man. You're smarter than that. There would be a lot of bodies moved before THAT deal ever came to pass. I mean, I get that you're down on the team and you have every right to be. But that's crazy talk.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:01 am EST

Vic - show me one viable news source that says the Oil were ever even thinking about moving DRAISTL. You can't. The only thing they did was decide he wasn't ready and sent him back to juniors. He was, is and always has been a stud. They would have traded every other guy on their roster save for HALL and the McDAVID pick before moving Drais. And if they WERE gonna move him, it'd be for a hell of a lot more than Step, Hags and Talbot. I don't know where you got this notion that he was ever on the market, but it's wrong. That said, I think if you packaged those players you might have been able to get something nice. Maybe JOHANSEN. But nothing close to the player STAMKOS is. He's one of the top 10 players in the league. Very rarely does a player like this hit the open market. Getting him for money would be a coup for New York the likes we haven't seen since MESSIER was acquired for what amounted to chump change. Yeah, he'd put us in a difficult situation. But it's a difficult situation down the road...NTM...if the Rangers DO trade Step...which I think they will if Stamkos signs...and maybe even if he doesn't...they're gonna get a real nice haul of prospects...probably a first rounder and an NHL ready player and a minor leaguer who needs another year. The Rangers will need to shoot the moon to get Stammer...but it's a clear and easy way for them to both retool AND get better at the same time.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:59 am EST

WILDCARD: Would it have been a bold move? You bet. But it would have been the kind of High Risk, High Reward deal that I would have been in favor of instead of the Stupid Risk, No Reward deals that the Rangers specialize in. And really, what risk would there have been? TALBOT was not in the Rangers plans. He had proven himself but wasn't going to displace HANK. STEPAN was clearly not a #1 Center and wasn't ever going to be. He is a good all around player who could really help a team playing behind a great #1 Center. And Edmonton was getting that great #1 Center in the draft (McDAVID). STEPAN would have been the perfect compliment to McDAVID. Experienced with solid work habits and the knowledge of what it takes to go deep into the playoffs. He would have been a valuable addition to the Oilers. And HAGS? Nobody appreciates him more then me. That would have been the toughest give-up. And maybe it could be YANDLE instead of HAGS allowing the Rangers to resign him. But the Rangers didn't value HAGS. So if he was going to be dealt anyway I'd rather it be in an attempt to land the #1 Center of the future.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:42 am EST

Newf: And what an asinine trade by Tim Murray. Everyone knew Kane is/was a screw-up and really, what's he accomplished on the ice in anything remotely sustained? Zippo.

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:41 am EST

I knew we should've picked up Evander Kane for the" rough stuff" when we had a chance...........oh wait..........maybe not , cause this is not a" woman's league" !..........old Evander was at it again , roughing up two woman on separate occasions over the weekend. What a guy , what a man !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:37 am EST

Trying to sign stamkos has to be a nyr priority . I can't imagine saton not trying . I'm sure they rather be in cap hell with him than still be there without him .

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:33 am EST

first year not first game....man I am on a roll today...

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:15 am EST

sorry...0.24 ppg in his first year. Stamos had .58 ppg in his first game.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:13 am EST

Vic: Your making an big assumption based on less than 2 full seasons of NHL action for a player. Doing that last year after the guy was a .58 ppg player would have been crazy. I am sorry, but saying that kid is Stamkos level is a bit premature.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:05 am EST

WILDCARD: No, you misunderstand. If the Rangers acquired DRAISAITL last year they wouldn't even need to be in the STAMKOS sweepstakes at all. They would have their #1 Center for the next 10 years.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:00 am EST

if the nyr can get stamkos , they need to delay the announcement to try and get some value for guys they need to move to make cap space. but as almost usual they will get less than worth, just as mostly overpaying in trades. I get the feeling when the nyr call any team, an alarm goes off. ...pull their pants down.....with very few exceptions.....must be another buttman conspiracy...lol....wait, it's not really funny....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:52 am EST

COMark: Thing is, Stepan has already been shopped....so its not like they would only do it for Stamkos, and I think they will move him possibly regardless, so if they even have the inkling they will get Stamkos I think he gets moved.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:50 am EST

RF4L: I think buying out Girardi is stupid and a bad move. HOWEVER its a way they could free up cap space to fit Stamkos, so Brooks saying it can't be done shows he is a moron. It can be both ways, that a buyout would create the space, but it would still be a boneheaded move because NEXT season and the season after the buyout cost doubles....so there would be a new cap crunch and a good player likely would need to be moved to make room for Girardis dead cap hit.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:47 am EST

Vic: you couldn't be more incorrect about Stepan. If last summer they traded Step and the reason was "Stamkos will be a UFA and we will sign him after next season" You would, and rightly so, along with everyone else think the Rangers had lost their minds. Trading Step AFTER you get a top end center like Stamkos is not admitting you did anything wrong because you kept one of your top two centers the year before you even knew that top guy would be a UFA. Girdi maybe you could make that statement...but even then, no one KNEW Giradi would have such an off year, and if they can't get him moved now, he could end up being better being healthy to start and perhaps he gets moved during the season. Anyway, moving guys to make room for Stamkos does not mean you were wrong to sign them originally....every GM would do that if they could.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:46 am EST

Vic, agreed. Least summer was the time to deal Stepan. And right on that the Rangers can't sign Stamkos without shopping someone out or the value (if any) drops exponentially with GMs knowing we have to unload salary. The good news about the week of discussion period is the brass will know if they are in the running. If no trades happen by Thursday I think it is safe to assume we are no longer in the Stamkos sweeps.

ColoradoMark


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:46 am EST

CoMark: The reality is most kids cannot translate a decent junior career into an NHL gig....

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:44 am EST

Wild: Weren't you drilling me the other day for suggesting Girardi get bought out - next year??

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:43 am EST

Wild- That would be ridiculous. If the Rangers can't get fair value now, they would basically have to give everyone away, bc every team would know they're strapped and have no choice to get back under the cap. Other teams would demand even more.

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:42 am EST

I guess "surprised" was the wrong word! Bummed that some of those guys didn't translate a decent junior career to a pro one, but I really hasn't seen enough of them over the last three years to pass judgement. I'm actually glad that we have some spots for newbies

ColoradoMark


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:37 am EST

Stamkos at 10 mil per seems like a steal when i saw an article saying Frans Nielsen could get around 6 million per year?? How is this possible??

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:34 am EST

WILDCARD: Trading STEPAN and GIRARDI/STAAL for futures is technically easy but I'm guessing it would be the hardest thing for GORTHER to do. Doing so is an admission that they screwed up on those contracts. It is an admission that they should have moved those players (especially STEPAN) in a bigger trade last summer to get a better return. I made the case 12 months ago that the Rangers could have approached Edmonton with a deal for DRAISAITL that included STEPAN, TALBOT and HAGS. At the time Edmonton had questions as to whether or not DRAISAITL was going to be an impact player in the NHL. He had seen a call-up or two previously and did not impress. Once last season started, and DRAISAITL exploded, any chance of dealing for him was gone. But back to the present. If the Rangers trade after signing STAMKOS everyone around the league will know the Rangers are up against it and need to move salary. They would be lucky to get back a 2nd round pick for STEPAN. What they would need to do is to try to start a bidding war for him but I have my doubts as to how many teams would be so interested as to engage in a bidding war for an overpaid 2nd line Center. So that makes it difficult to make those trades as well. Is GORTHER willing to trade STEPAN for a 3rd round pick and a borderline AHL player. Can his ego handle getting fleeced like that?

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:34 am EST

HockeyStatMiner ‏@HockeyStatMiner Rangers could sign Stamkos for $12 mil/yr on July 1, remain under cap, and have rest of summer to move the pieces to be cap-compliant.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:09 am EST

Vic: Gettign Step shipped out for just futures would be easy. There are teams that don't want to give up roster players to improve, and if a roster player came back it would be a Dman to replace Giradi or Staal on the roster, and thats something you would need to do anyway and likely not as expensive.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:06 am EST

Proof that Larry Brooks is a moron who just likes to stir the pot. Says with Holden on the cap and with the RFAs to sign that the Rangers can not afford Stamkos. UUummmm....trade Step, Nash (even retaining salary) Trading of buying out Giradi, Trading Staal. Not all of those would be needed. HOWEVER Stepan would go if Stamkos got signed, I mean, probably before the signing was announced. Step would account for 6.5 of the likely 10 or so needed for Stamkos, buying out Giradi would come up with just about the rest of it. That would be without moving anything else and not adding much if at all to the cap hit of the entire team last season. Anyway, Brooks you rand idiot. Would it be "easy" of course not...but it can be done easier than he implies.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:04 am EST

If the Rangers are able to sign STAMKOS you can forget about all of these other guys out there. It will be all the Rangers can do to cut salary just to fit STAMKOS. As mentioned they will need to trade STEPAN and GIRARDI/STAAL for only non-roster prospects and picks. They can't take any salary back in those deals. Then they need to get all of their RFAs resigned. With the 1 or 2 slots left they will need to promote someone making peanuts in Hartford. They don't have money for MARTIN, SCHULTZ, CONNELY, COLBOURN or anyone else that is going to make more then $1 Mil per year. Now, if they don't sign STAMKOS they can look into some of that "filler" but really what would be the point? It isn't like any of those guys are going to make them even marginally better.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:36 am EST

Incidentally, the Caps didn't qualify Michael LATTA...only reason I bring this up is because he's the final piece from the fated Martin ERAT trade...now anyone who wants to point at the Hags deal and say it was 'the worst ever' or gripe about any number of Sather/Gorton deals...Look at what McPhee gave up to rent Erat for a season and a half.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:32 am EST

Hospo - I know COLBORNE had a few injuries...but the guy was over 50 percent in the FO circle...and he'd be an upgrade over MOORE...CONNOLLY would be nice because he's a righty with a wicked shot...not sure how well he'd do with a bottom-line assignment...but he's an AV-type player...well worthy of a contract...couple of others that kind of surprised me: Devante SMITH-PELLY...thought he played good for the Devils down the stretch...point totals are nice...always liked him with the Ducks...another guy who would be a good bottom-line player...and Beau BENNETT...kind of a head-scratcher here, because I don't know why the Devils didn't qualify him...they basically gave Pittsburgh a third rounder and cap relief...start conspiracy theory here...But Bennett is a kid that if he could ever stay healthy, he'd be a hell of a pick up...Jeremy MORIN is another...the guy has been bounced around the NHL more than I can recall...stints twice with the Hawks and BJs...But he's a hard-nosed player with some skill. Would be another cheap, excellent pickup for fourth line.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:29 am EST

Connolly is a guy who may be worth a look. At the best he stays healthy, figures some stuff out, and being 24 he still can to a point, and he makes a splash at the NHL level. At the worst he becomes a veteran type AHL guy who puts up good numbers at that level to help the Pack and is a call up guy to fill in during injuries. The bonus is a true vet in that role wants more money thus a larger cap hit than someone younger trying to prove themselves. Now he may want to go to a team that is not as good in order to try and land a regular NHL gig and have a chance there to show he can play and raise his value, so he may not want to come to team with a fairly solid forward group like the Rangers.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:44 am EST

Colbourn is brittle and inconsistent while Ferraro is realy an AHL payer..No Thanks...Maybe on Connoly

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:13 am EST

No real surprises on the guys not re-upped...several disappointments, but no one I didn't expect to see there...NOREAU...loved the kid...hoped he was gonna take the next step coming off a real good last year in juniors...but alas, if you can't land a spot on the Pack's blueline, you don't really deserve a qualifying offer. Noreau was a big kid with a mean streak...and I thought he'd be a poor man's McILRATH...but alas, we have on McIlrath and he doesn't get playing time...ST. CROIX hurts, because the guy has skills...he's just not strong enough or skilled enough to hang with either an up-tempo game or when guys twice his size are pounding him off the puck...McCARTHY was another I had high hopes for...mostly based on the fact he missed a solid year of NCAA hockey with a serious injury...but in reality, he was a grinder at the AHL level, which makes him nothing in the NHL...the rest? Who cares....SCHULTZ is an interesting prospect...if GIRARDI is moved, I would certainly entertain him as a third pairing D. But he's essentially Keith Yandle sans the vision. Guy has good offensive instincts, but defense? Whoa. Better have a good tendy...Flames' Joe COLBURNE not qualified...very interesting...he'd make a hell of a replacement for Dom MOORE at fourth line center...Landon FERRARO is another I'd be interested in signing as a depth player...ditto with Brett CONNOLLY, former top-five pick.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:31 pm EST

Forwards Matt Martin and Darren Helm both joined the list, since a premium is going to be placed on skating this summer, with the league focusing on speed...............Pittsburgh chose not to qualify 25-year-old defenceman "(RHS)" Justin Schultz at $3.9 million, as expected, making him a pending UFA. Schultz said his intention is to re-sign in Pittsburgh, so he could always come to terms on a deal for less than that prior to July 1............http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-top-40-fa-list-stamkos-watch-is-on-1.516462

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:47 pm EST

RF4L: Noreau was the one that most stood out. Not that I expected him to make the NHL or anything. But to be a depth guy for the AHL. Those positions are important. But I guess if they want to do that he could sign an AHL deal....kind of forgot about that route.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:48 pm EST

3 for a dollar, f#cking phone keyboard, Jeff Beukeboom.

hipcheck


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:47 pm EST

Berkeley, not Bubba Beck, lol!

hipcheck


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:44 pm EST

Loved the Ranger-Flyer rivalry when 88 used to go against Beck,Ulfy & or Patsy (RIP). That was some good hockey, damn sight better than the 2016 version.

hipcheck


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:01 pm EST

Brandon Pirri not qualified by the Ducks - 25 yr old 20 goal scorer would've made $925,000ish on a qualifying offer. Definitely worth a sniff - depending on the cost. Kids' got something to prove now....

Newman


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:29 pm EST

If Eric Lindros belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame, then Mike Richter certainly belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Enough said.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:28 pm EST

Wild/CoMark: Who out of that group are you surprised wasn't qualified? Noreau you mentioned CoMark but he's simply too slow - yes he had a good final year of junior (kind of out of the blue actually) but was unable to take the next step once turning pro.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:23 pm EST

COMark: One has to think they expect to sign some graduating kids and or free agent undrafted junior and NCAA players and want to contract spots open for that. I mean otherwise it seems odd for a couple of those names since they don't actually count against the cap and they don't pay them that NHL cap hit.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:15 pm EST

CoMark: Not me - none could escape the eastern league. Disappointing for sure, based on his junior career, is St Croix but he's been mired in that league since turning pro, putting up so-so numbers. I believe his skating is his biggest issue...

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:14 pm EST

If the Rangers sign Martin that'll be 3 anti-AV players in tow (him, McI and Holden). Interesting that Glass can be lumped in there too but for whatever reason, AV has a soft spot for him. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Glass hater like some but for sure he's not the kind of player AV favours, at least not since coming to NY.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:08 pm EST

As I mentioned earlier: The Rangers did not offer QOs to forwards Luke Adam, Michael Kantor, Josh Nicholls, Michael St. Croix, Chris McCarthy and defenseman Sam Noreau. A little surprised on some of the names

ColoradoMark


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:41 pm EST

Vegas must select 30 players. 1 from each team. So every team will lose 1 guy.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:38 pm EST

Martin will be a Leaf. Funny how everyone has a problem with Glass who makes 1.4, but want Martin who could get up to 3 million, who btw, didn't have a single pt in 11 playoff games. Yeah, big upgrade from Glass.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:33 pm EST

Congrats to big Eric Lindros and one of my favorite players Sergei Makarov for being elected to the Hall of Fame!!! Well deserved. Glad to see Pat Quinn getting a nod as well.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:28 pm EST

OAN: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/eric-lindros-finally-elected-to-hall-of-fame-along-with-sergei-makarov-rogie-vachon-and-pat-quinn/

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:02 pm EST

The Rangers apparently extended qualifying offers to 8 of their RFAs including KREIDER, MILLER, HAYES and McILRATH.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:51 pm EST

Why would they be overly worried about losing a player in an expansion draft? Do you realize how many draft picks and prospects this team has pissed away over the last 4 years? What is one more in a sea of players pissed away. And really, they can only lose 1 player. They are going to lose a player to expansion. Just about every team will. Why would they worry about expansion next summer when there is an entire season, trade deadline and playoffs to go before then. They haven't shown the desire to think past next week in any of the previous 4 years. Why would they start now?

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:50 pm EST

RF73: too too funny! ;-) .....Staring, Glenn Sather. Guess those weren't cigars after all......

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:46 pm EST

VIC: all this while being cognizant of the position they put themselves in come time to protect certain players..... Bet the trade deadline activity and draft day trade activity increases big time...

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:44 pm EST

So, first I smokes the weed...then I makes the trades...and then the reality of WTF did I just do kicks in!

RF73


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:44 pm EST

stamkos wants to be a center, cooper wants to play him on wing...good...ufa all the way.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:34 pm EST

"The weed, the trade, & the reality" staring.............

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:33 pm EST

Vic, i think Gordon has a bigger overhaul in mind. I'm sure he a looking down the road say 3-4 years down when he is working on the current deals. You need to consider expansion draft. Nash will need to be protected and if it means that Krider or Miller will become exposed, then Nash will be traded this summer.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:26 pm EST

ANDREI: Realistically to sign STAMKOS the Rangers would have to trade one of BRASSARD/STEPAN AND one of STAAL/GIRARDI. Assuming STAMKOS costs $12 Mil per year trading STEPAN and GIRARDI gets you there. It means that McILRATH is in the Top 6 and they are going to go with him. Your D would be McDONAGH, STAAL, KLEIN, HOLDEN, SKJEI and McILRATH. Unless, of course, other players come back in those deals that the Rangers want to go forward with. The key to trading STEPAN and GIRARDI would be for non-roster draft picks and prospects. Bringing salary back in those deals doesn't help you fit STAMKOS in.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:22 pm EST

E, i'm with you on Martin. I think he will be a Ranger. Rest, i'm not sure we need. After-all, where is the room to play superstar Glass?

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:19 pm EST

Vic, i don't see how you can sign Stamcos and still keep Nash. Cap money wise just does not add up. Stamkos will be asking for 11+ mil per from the Rangers. Both Stepan and Nash, and possibly Girardi/Staal will need to go. I think signing Stamcos is holding the slew of trades that Gordon is working on. If we sign Stamkos, i can see Rangers being a complete different team next season. A lot of players we got used to will be traded.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:16 pm EST

I mean, how many teams would want Stamkos? It's just not that often that a generational talent comes around for free. I don't see how the NYR would swing it. I also don't see how they could get out from under the toxic contracts with enough cap space. I'm sure it's possible. My guess is that if the NYR could do it, you'd expect to see Stepan or Brass on their way out in the next few days. Obviously, Stepan to Minnesota has been bandied about for sometime now. And that's fine. Just give me a Dumba in return. And of course get Nash outta here to Anaheim and get me a Fowler, find me Matt Martin, Helm, and Grabner and call it an offseason. Ultimate NYR summer ever. And this type of thing is why I haven't smoked weed for years.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:15 pm EST

RF4L, good point. That is Nash is going to rebound next season. If he is going to have another season, like last, he will not a big loss. Say we get Stampkos and trade Stepan. Stampkos can play with Krider and Miller on the 1st line. One trade i'm still hoping for is Girardi to Edm for Benoit Pouliot and a pick. Now you got two good lines. Miller-Stamcos-Krider and Pouliot - Brass - Hobbit.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:13 pm EST

CMARK: If they can acquire STAMKOS without having to trade NASH I could see the top 6 consisting of KREIDER-STAMKOS-MILLER and NASH-BRASSARD-MZA. That assumes, of course, that the Rangers deal STEPAN for Cap relief to fit STAMKOS. If HAYES is still here then it is BUECH-HAYES-FAST for a 3rd line and JENSEN-LINDBERG-???? on the 4th line. That also assumes that HAYES comes back a different player. Otherwise a different player should come back instead of HAYES.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:10 pm EST

Chris Johnston ✔ @reporterchris ...... NHL teams must decide which of their restricted free agents receive qualifying offers by 5 p.m. ET tomorrow. 11:40 AM - 26 Jun 2016

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:07 pm EST

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/06/27/ex-wings-chelios-hull-analysts-world-cup-hockey/86433002/

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:05 pm EST

RF- I agree, that putting them all on one line is a fools errand. My issue is that I am not sure NASH is the guy who can take the pressure off Stamkos. I don't see teams putting hteir checkers on Nash over Stamkos and Nash has done nothing to inspire me to think he could take advantage of less checking and start scoring,especially in the playoffs. I agree with the philosophy, but the guy has done nothing other than a great first 60 games in 2014-15. I'd much rather see Buch be that other guy (wishful thinking, but I'm over Nash's lack of urgency!)

ColoradoMark


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:59 pm EST

CoMark: I will say this about the Nash and Gabbie experiment - as I recall for whatever reason, the goofy coach decided to put them on the same line, forcing Gabby to switch wings. I never understood that (save for PP duty of course). Yes, sometimes putting your 2 best offensive forwards together works but for me spreading them out is more effective for the longer term. It's the single biggest reason IMO the Pens won - they spread their 3 top scorers across 3 lines. Malkin was relatively quiet but Crosby had an excellent POs and we all know what Kessel did. My concern about adding Stamkos and jettisoning Nash is we're back to the one-trick offense again and that was the downfall of the Rangers in all 3 years they went deep in the POs - they just couldn't score enough.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:46 pm EST

RF4L - On Holden, if so, very good..means that the GM is calling the shots.....Please Gorton, get rid of STEPAN and his soon to be valid NMC...i really don't mean "get rid of"..Stepan is a good player with good value, but we already have Brassard..This is where the team needs to be changed..if possible...Obviously, you don't deal him unless getting another good C (be it STAMKOS or whoever) is part of the master plan

Hospo


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:44 pm EST

Long time no chat, Wallsters! I've been reading regularly but didn't have much to contribute. I'll chime in on a few things: HOLDEN is a pretty good acquisition, I think he'll have an impact more along the lines of a KLEIN (surprisingly solid and cap-friendly) then a scrub. I think that is a move that signals at least one of Girardi and Staal is on the verge of being jettisoned. I'll be bummed if it means McIlrath is pushed aside (or worse: traded!). I'm fine with McIlrath starting as the 7th D-man again, as injuries will occur and I think he'll eventually earn his playing time whether AV wants to admit it or not. I'm just curious why the AVS would give him up as their D is just not that good. WILD is correct, he will be an excellent 5-6 D, but when he is in a top 4 role is when he struggles. Maybe that is why COL gave up on him, but I just don't see this helping their weakest position. RFA's: I hope all resign easily. I was a little surprised NOREAU wasn't qualified. I also like McCarthy, but I'll admit my knowledge of these guys is pretty limited. The "Predator" St. Croix is one of those guys that had a lot of success at the junior level, but just couldn't make the jump to even the AHL level. On NASH: Count me as someone who can't wait for this guy to be out of a Ranger uniform. Sure, he doesn't hurt us defensively and he can do some nice things with the puck, but the guy was brought in to be a goal scorer and his salary commands that he score goals. He is the most frustrating player to watch because he doesn't seem to care and that is just infuriating. Especially because people ran Richards out of town as if he was a disgrace to the uniform. I don't like the idea of keeping him if we get STAMKOS, I just don't see that working. Nash was supposed to thrive with having Gabby and that didn't work. I just think Nash is going to continue to be a talented, uninspiring enigma that isn't worth the $. I would like to see us jettison GIRARDI and give STAAL another year to see if he can rebound fromhis various injuries. I just don't see Girardi having any trade value (except maybe Torts or Sullivan wanting him) and it's risky thinking he will bounce back. But those three guys contracts (though not that bad if you just had one of them!) are going to make Gorton earn his stripes. The guys I don't want to see leave: ZUCC, MCILRATH, SKJEI, KREIDER, MILLER, and, er... That's about it. We do seemto have more spots available than any year I can remember with the RFA's that got dropped and the UFA's gone. I'm sure we'll be head scratching with some of the pick-ups, but I'm getting impatient with the lack of news! Hope all are well!

ColoradoMark


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:27 pm EST

NNNOOOOOOOO to Brian Campbell. NNNOOOOO!!

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:25 pm EST

...how Holden plays...

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:25 pm EST

The more I learn about how Holden the more I find him to be an anti-AV acquisition.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:24 pm EST

mf: Makes no sense to have 2 number centers - what happens when it's time to renegotiate a new deal with Tavares. It just isn't gonna happen, just like the Jets trading the 2nd pick overall Friday night was never going to happen. Stamkos will not go there because of that and the Islanders have far more serious issues vs having 2 number 1 centers. They don't have a number 1 goalie, their defense needs shoring up and they need scoring from the wings. If anything, Nash there makes more sense. Or Stepan. Or Staal. Each addresses a roster hole at a substantially less cost. Trust me dude, Stamkos is NOT going to be an Islander on Friday.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:07 pm EST

MF: Given where the Rangers are and where I see them going in the not too distant future I think it makes sense. It is a move of desperation to try to win a Cup right now that will have long term implications. Basically, it isn't any different then the MSL, YANDLE and STAAL trades of the last 3 deadlines. All were moves of desperation that had a long term negative impact. None of those moves needed to be made but because of those moves this one (the signing of STAMKOS) DOES need to happen. Because of those moves the writing is on the wall (no pun intended). The future meaning 3+ years from now is bleak (and 3+ years is being generous. It could happen sooner). But for the next couple of years the Rangers should still be competitive. Not Cup competitive as is but competitive. The only player out there who is obtainable (UFA) that could potentially put the Rangers in another Cup finals is STAMKOS. So, if they can get him for the next couple of years do it. Once they start sucking in a few years they can approach STAMKOS and see if he wants to be traded to competitor. Then they can start rebuilding again. But for now that window is still open a crack and the only way that I can see to address what has been this team's biggest need is to sign STAMKOS. So, yeah......I'm warming up to the idea.......

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:48 pm EST

Vic: Hearing that you're on the fence re: Stamkos is interesting to me. Seems you are warming up to the idea vs previous feelings about chasing a marquee FA... Stamkos turns 27 in February...... Big "IF" we can free up the space, I can see us offering him a 7/11........ But SLegs, will he have a red dot on his forehead? ....... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-all-eyes-on-steven-stamkos-as-free-agency-approaches/

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:40 pm EST

I believe that the posturing with defensemen such as the addition of Holden, very well may be the prelude to moving Staal & or Giradi............ As for Offensive Defencemen on the (LHS) Brian Campbell is an UFA & the Panthers just signed Yandle so I doubt he's resigning there.... Cambell just turned 37, was 6g, 25a, 31pts, & +31........... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?1206

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:17 pm EST

RF: LOVE IT!!! E: I'm on the fence regarding STAMKOS (and that doesn't even address if signing him is even a possibility). In one respect he is only 26 and should have some good years left in him. But at 26 he is already starting down the back 9. I know some here don't agree but physically his body has already turned the corner. That doesn't mean he can't be a hell of a player still but it does have to be taken into account. What it comes down to for me is this. The Rangers have a few years left to win a Cup before this team is mired in a shitstorm of mediocrity. Bringing STAMKOS in gives them a shot at winning a Cup in the next few years. Because if they don't do by then I don't think it will happen for a very long time. "In for a penny, in for a pound". I didn't want the Rangers to be sitting where they are and having to make this kind of a decision. I wanted them to build an organization that is a perennial contender and never has to make drastic or desperate moves. But that isn't how they have been managed. And that isn't what we are looking at. So, if they can get STAMKOS then GO GET HIM! Figure out who you need to move later and get what you can for them.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:15 pm EST

E - with Mcilrath and AV, I don't think it has anything to do with tea leaves or JT MILLER....... just the way that AV used him or refused to use him last year,....And especially the choices made in the POs (SKEJI switching sides, Diaz)...I jsut don't think he likes the way Mcilrathe fits into hi strategy and would prefer a different player...And while it would be nice to carry NHL depth on defense, and I'm all for it, the Rangers might be better off now in trading players/salary instyead of having 7-8 NHL d-men at the start of the season..

Hospo


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:09 pm EST

Hospo: exactly. I don't know what the hits total (I don't think that's an impetus to get a guy in and of itself) means. But I don't necessarily make the connection that his acquisition has or will reflect Mcilrath's status. Just hard to say. In the NYR team concept I don't think that you can have a shortage of defenseman of quality. Perhaps that's true of all teams. But I am still nowhere near as sold as some that Mcilrath is on his way out because of the same tea leaves and paranoia that followed fan opinion of AV in regards to JT. A player who now is developing very strongly under AV.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:07 pm EST

RF: If Tavares has no problem being the 2nd line center behind a guy like Stamkos, what's the problem?

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:53 am EST

E/RF4L - Sounds good on Holden, but, i'll have to see for myself.....But bad signs on Mcirath, who I remain convinced will be dealt out west I hope not) by the beginning of the season....The Rangers are sure to pick up another OFFENSIVE defenseman--and likely a RH one, be it a Shattenkork, one of the guys form MINNESOTA or ANAHEIM, or who knows who,.....Rangers will then have guys like Mcilrath, Staal or Girardi to deal., the latter two being more difficult becasue of the NTC/NMC..

Hospo


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:47 am EST

JFC: however, Stamkos has classic TOS. Not with the additional complications like Dupuis had. And so while it happened he is supposedly making 100% recovery and will not even be on blood thinners. Now, let's see how true that is because I'm not a medical expert but I do recall some other athletes having this and recovering. So we'll see... Everybody thought Crosby was made of glass after his second concussion. Different injury but arguably one that's more career threatening.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:34 am EST

TD you're not understanding me what I'm saying is no one is looking to help this team free up salary so they can sign stamkos. Gorther have been taken on tgeir last three trades badly talbot hags and staal they can ill afford to make more deals of the same ilk. This team is not as cap free as you're claiming if they were they would have never had to let hags go.

York18


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:26 am EST

E -- Stamkos' blood clot problem could be a huge factor if they can't get it safely under control...very tricky medical situation. Blood thinners can cause fatigue and clots can form regardless...constant monitoring will be needed for the rest of his career

JFC31


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:23 am EST

E/TD/all -- I have a good friend who lives in Ft.Collins, Colorado...big Avalanche fan. He describes Holden as extremely solid defensively, hits hard along the walls, cleans up the crease and has underrated offensive skills. His passing is good and he can actually play the PP effectively when called upon. He says that Holden's offense has been improving incrementally since he became a starter and he thinks the kid may be a late bloomer on the offensive side. In his opinion, the kid is similar to Beuk defensively but does not fight as often as Beuk did.

JFC31


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:13 am EST

One point. Re: Stamkos. When I look at the league and look at players of his magnitude such as the Kopitar, Teows, Malkin etc... Stamkos strangely is actually younger then they are, as or more productive, and looking for roughly the same numbers. And so, NYR economics to the side Stamkos is not your typical mega star in the sense that they are gonna get paid outside of their normal value at this point of his career. And so by scale of economy, Stamkos is not a bad buy. You can make all kinds of arguments about this like Kopitar is better because he is superb 3-zone player whereas Stamkos is on the OV end of the spectrum. More one dimensional (although what a dimension.) And so my bigger point is, regardless of how eye popping his $$$$$ are going to be it's not going to be some kind of aberration and he's worthy of it. And barring some kind of lunacy where suddenly a 26-year old superstar is suddenly going to fall apart and turn into some kind of 35-year old fading star he is going to be worthy of what he gets and a team is going to get a generational talent hardly even in his prime yet.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:41 am EST

TD: Re Holden - and it sounds more and more like McI will once again be on the outside looking in (if he;s not traded)...

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:37 am EST

Vic: How about the Snooze and Cruize line?

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:27 am EST

RF4L - Tampa ain't gonna pay up...simple as that. STAMKOS is gonna get 10-11 million. And when your team almost makes the finals without that player, no real need to resign him....they're looking at HEDMAN, the Triplets and DROUIN, IMO, and seeing a long term contract with STAMKOS will mean one of those guys will leave...kind of ironic that had they not inked CALLAHAN for such a momentous contract, they could easily have grabbed Stammer...know you can't read too deeply into things, but the Tampa Twitter feed and the initial 2016 promotions seemed scrubbed of #91...

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:23 am EST

RF - maybe they low balled him. Look I don't want him to sign with the Islanders, this would be a nightmare.

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:20 am EST

E - sure sounding more and more like HOLDEN is gonna be in the top six, if not the top four. I've never heard of the guy prior to the trade. Wildcard, aren't you in Avalanche country? I was of impressed that he was the only regular blueliner in Colorado who was plus.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:18 am EST

DREW: If that's the case, why not resign in Tampa? They're further along than the Islanders - better goaltending, better defense and more depth up front.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:16 am EST

RF - Crosby and Malkin crapped the bed for years until the Pens found a goalie that could stand pressure. Halak and Greiss --for as long as that is the tandem, there will be a cup deficit for the Islanders. Doesn't matter if they have STAMKOS and JT. Irrelevant though...I just don't see them as a good fit. And their cap condition isn't any different than the Rangers...and they have to resign JT in two seasons too. For a troubled as the Rangers are, they dont have any contract on the horizon the likes of JT...

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:07 am EST

RF4L - If he wants to win a cup, I HATE that I am saying this but - Tavares and Stamkos would be lethal. If his ego won't allow him to be the second line center, oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯......Does it matter who the "1st line center" is if the cup is the goal?

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:02 am EST

Interesting tidbit. Nick Holdin was 7th in the NHL in hits. Landing 217 last season.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:01 am EST

DREW: FWIW I am almost certain Stamkos will not go to the Islanders because he wants to be a number 1 center wherever he lands. How would that work with Tavares already there?

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:51 am EST

thanks TD - and I am secretly hoping the Rangers keep an eye on the summer of 2018. If this makes me sound like a bad Rangers fan, I guess I am but I would hope the Rangers can push for John Tavares.

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:46 am EST

DREW - would be irresponsible to count the Isles out...but truth is, they're a team that still lacks a genuine top goaltender and stands to lose three core players come July 1. And that's before you take into consideration that they still don't have a home to call their own per se. The stop in Brooklyn at this point is just that. The stadium was never designed with hockey in mind and that's all I've heard about it since they started playing there. I would be far more worried about Buffalo landing him. City only a few hours from his hometown and only one year removed from getting a dynamic player like EICHEL. They drafted some incredible players and have a strong back line developing. And while LEHNER isn't elite, he's better than anything the Isles have in their system. If I were to call the ball, that's where he lands. Detroit will push hard. The Rangers too...wildcard is Toronto, because they've got no cap space and know if they grab Stammer, they'll go from last to a playoff spot overnight. What Gorton should do is keep Shanny and Lam on speed dial. I bet some good players are going to shake loose from that club for pennies on the dollar...JVR and BOZAK for instance.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:39 am EST

And what name could we give to that line? That would be entertaining as well. We could all it "The Effortless Line".......or the "Two Has-beens and a Never-was Line"......or the "Dozer line"...(not as in bulldozer but as in to take a nap)......or the "420 Line"...cause they look stoned and disinterested ...... the possibilities are endless!!!!!

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:34 am EST

STRANGER: I was thinking more along the lines of a BRAD BOYES. Now that would be some line . VANEK-HAYES-BOYES. That line would put more people to sleep then NyQuil. I can see it now. All three hovering near center ice waiting for the puck while GIRARDI and STAAL are desperately trying to defend a 3 on 2. And when HANK gets scored on the play he can slam his stick against the crossbar and throw it out to center ice where VANEK, HAYES and BOYES are still patiently waiting for the puck. It would be an endless source of entertainment for the Wall. What do we need to do to make that line a reality???!?!?!

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:25 am EST

Is there a deal to be made with tampon taking Stephan for stamkos signing here plus .... Or is it the nyr only get the short end of the stick in most deals ?

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:10 am EST

Simple Vic, bring back Pysie!

NYStranger


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:10 am EST

If Stamkos has no interest in signing with Detroit, could Detroit then become interested in Nash, which could then open up $ for Stamkos?

JFC31


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:06 am EST

By the way (WIOSA are you reading), I am scared ____less that the Islanders are going to win the Stamkos sweepstakes. His buddy Tavares is there and they have the cap space. If you were not a fan of either team, wouldn't the Islanders be the desired destination as the team poised for a cup run?

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:56 am EST

LOL STEVIE:. I was just about to post something like that. But I was trying to figure out what other dumpster dive wing the Rangers would have to pick up to complete that utterly effortless line.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:54 am EST

DREW:. I understand what you are looking for but all of the guys you mentioned could skate and they played with heart. They cared about winning. I've never seen VANEK play like he gave a crap. The only guy that would be happy to see VANEK is HAYES. The fans would hate VANEK so much that they would forget all about HAYES.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:54 am EST

The numbers for QOs are: Kreider- $2.6M Hayes- $945K Miller-$918K McIlrath-$660K Jensen-$874K - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/26/rangers-prospect-development-camp-this-week/#sthash.ILnoUGk5.nZTsl2VL.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:53 am EST

If gabby Hayes comes back and they sign vanek , put them together and they could be the sleeper line ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:39 am EST

Vanek - I think it would be a stopgap to fill the LW for Nash. If we are "re-tooling", it's not the worst idea. IF we are going for it then, I'm with Vic. Historically, we have recently had some success (Fedetenko, Prospal, Pouliot, Stalberg).

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:17 am EST

Today is RFA qualifying offer day. I don't expect any surprises for the NYR today. Other teams, not so much.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:12 am EST

Why the hell would anyone want to even consider VANEK for 1 second. Is there a slower, more disinterested player in the league? I think I remember the last time he broke a sweat. If I recall correctly it was in 2009. The Rangers already have more then enough players who have no heart.....we don't need another.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:36 am EST

Shaun Starr ‏@Starr690 ...... Bob McKenzie on #TSN690 now "Don't think the Canadiens are serious players for Stamkos with cap being where it is & paying PK $9 million"

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:16 am EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 26, 2016 11:30 PM They’re gonna talk to Vanek, if they haven’t already. A team that had effort problems really needs a guy like that. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/26/rangers-prospect-development-camp-this-week/#sthash.ILnoUGk5.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:14 am EST

This is generous the nyr are in cap purgatory limbo .... That's why yandle is gone ....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:04 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/26/failing-nielsen-offer-only-start-of-isles-alarming-free-agent-issue/

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:14 am EST

I'm actually liking a lot of the picks the Rangers made...reading up on them...all low-risk, high-reward players...DAY could be a coup for where he was picked...ditto with GETTINGER, who was thought to be a mid-second, early third rounder...really like what's being said about FONTAINE too...and my sleeper pick is Ty RONNING...chip off the old block...player very similar to dad Cliff, who was a small speedster also taken in the seventh who went on to a real nice NHL career...on prospect camp, watch this kid Reid DUKE. He has potential...good player drafted and unsigned by the Wild...apparently suffered a bit because he was with an absolutely abysmal junior program.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:51 am EST

DREW - I'd take a flyer on VANEK. Not sure what salary he'd want though...if it were something like $3 million...done. Pure goal scorer. Would probably put up Nash-like numbers...but I think we need to see what happens with our top six...we need room for BUCHNEVICH up there. He didn't hop the pond to be a bottom line grinder...

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:43 am EST

Re: NASH for THEODRE - I just don't see the Ducks doing that...would think they'd trade FOWLER over him...Theodore could be a John CARLSON-type d-man...maybe better...Fowler's pretty much at his ceiling...If that's the deal at hand...Gorton should jump on it.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:34 am EST

C'mon York...now you're saying that IF the Rangers sign STAMKOS...something you yourself said to be highly unlikely...then they'd be in a cap crunch...and by virtue of other teams forecasting this move, they are low balling the Rangers...and Rangers are therefore now in a bad trade position? That's a whole lot of leaps right there...all ignore the fact the Rangera have about as much cap space or more than half the teams in the league...so what am I missing here? Yeah, I'd be more comfortable with $30 million going into the STAMKOS sweepstakes...and I suspect we'll end up with at least $20 mil between now and then. But I think it's really disenginuous to say they're getting shutout because their cap situation is so bad.

tdchi


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:16 pm EST

Per Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipa.... "Re: Stamkos watch. NYR assigned Buchnevich No. 91. Could change, of course, but...just sayin' "

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:22 pm EST

Trade is the only way the Rangers get the offensive D-man they need for the next two years..Fowler and, especially, Theodore PLUS (gottab be significant IMWO) make sense..With Holden and Theodore oboard , Rangers have D several D-men they can trade...along with several forwards..Again, all about smart deals and talent evaluation,,,I like the little I saw of Theodore, but I ain't no scout..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:26 pm EST

What's Mike Komisarek doing these days?

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:55 pm EST

Drew..... Higgin's is also free to retire.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:32 pm EST

Higgy21 - Higgins is free to sign anywhere. Did he ever play for AV in Vancouver? Was it Renney or Torts that was here for Higgins?

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:04 pm EST

Spector's Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey .... NBC Sports - ProHockeyTalk: Report: Canucks plan to buy out Higgins, keep Burrows .... http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/06/26/report-canucks-plan-to-buy-out-higgins-keep-burrows/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:58 pm EST

As we discussed earlier - if Anaheim is still trigger shy, I would set conditions on the trade, Keep in mind, we would have to hope Anaheim goes far but if the conditions are something Anaheim agrees to - they may be likely to take on all of the salary (2 years - remaining...unless they don't have the cap space). Someone has to break the ice on these trades for sakes!

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:53 pm EST

I see that Theodore is still young enough that he would not have to be protected in an expansion draft.,That is also a plus.

JFC31


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:52 pm EST

The Ducks had been pushing Fowler for Nash, but Shea Theodore plus a pick makes much more sense from the NYR point of view. We get their top rated prospect and the Ducks potentially turn into the next Pittsburgh. Also, Theodore would not need to be protected in the Expansion Draft. Sketchy but Interesting.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:46 pm EST

The Nash for Theodore + pick is an interesting one in that it fits the criteria that Gorton is supposedly looking for, as reported by Brooks and others. A good young defenseman whose salary will be controllable, pick to restock with and the shedding of Nash's salary. Then again, the guy who posted the rumor could made it up to fit that criteria. Interesting rumor regardless.

JFC31


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:23 pm EST

I saw that evets - who was the guy who tweeted it? I never heard of him

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:22 pm EST

Grain of salt rumor from on Twitter... Rangers on the verge of moving Nash to Anaheim for Shea Theodore and a pick.

evets1980


Sun Jun 26 2016 6:40 pm EST

If Nash is indeed moved, would Vanek be the stop gap winger? I saw nhlrumors (one of the better Twitter sources) mention they were looking for a one year deal.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 3:04 pm EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/26/rangers-prospect-development-camp-this-week/#sthash.fYjYZLx0.dpbs

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 2:38 pm EST

So far fishboy close but no saton cigar just seaweeds ... Almost playing horseshoes .... Tried to get a 1st round pick too...

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:38 pm EST

NYStranger.... He sure is. I wouldn't want to lose him for nothing as he'd most likely be taken. However, If teams lowball in negotiations(wanting us to keep $$$), we do have it as an alternative.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:27 pm EST

One thing I am wondering. If we can't move Nash before next years expansion draft, if he eligible to be left unprotected?

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:25 pm EST

Ranger47/Wild.... 95% of what gets dealt at the trade deadline is guys on their last year or sometimes guys with another year left on their deal. Guys with multiple years and lot's of money left on their deals rarely do. Usually assets like Stepan get moved on or around the draft for maximum value. If we didn't need to get rid of Nash's cap hit, we could possibly wait until the deadline, but not many teams could afford that huge cap hit them. Also, teams that are interested in Nash/Stepan now will most likely move on to their Plan B's.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:24 pm EST

Waiting until the trade deadline is a mistake. Very little can happen these days compared to the past because of the salary cap. It can be really hard to get deals done because you can't usually just trade a Nash type for picks or prospects. The other team would need to dump salary to fit that type of contract. I doubt a team that has big cap space would be in the hunt for, say Nash, so what team that is 'going for it' at the next deadline could take on his salary?

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:07 pm EST

Sorry for the multiple posts today - I was looking for some encouraging news and some previous precedents with summer trades. Kessel was another trade that I look at in comparison to Nash. That trade actually took place July 1st. After the draft and at the start of free agency. Now Kessel was 27 at the time and Nash is 32. Kessel also came with a 6.8 cap (originally 8 million - Toronto retained) hit until the summer of 2022, Nash is only a two year commitment. So there are some things that make Nash' contract favorable. But as far as conditions? Whoa!! ...."*Should Pittsburgh miss the 2016 playoffs, Toronto will INSTEAD receive the Penguins’ 2017 first-round pick; with Pittsburgh getting Toronto’s 2017 second-round selection in return. ...... *If the Penguins were to miss the postseason the next two years, Toronto would receive Pittsburgh’s 2017 second-round draft pick and Pittsburgh would not receive a draft pick....... Kessel is signed through the 2021-22 season. Toronto is retaining 15 percent of his salary, making Pittsburgh’s cap hit $6.8 million......http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=773319

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:03 pm EST

From George Richards: ."@FlaPanthers have plenty of cap space and going shopping. Looking for skilled winger; feel good about blueline"... How about Rick Nash to Florida?

evets1980


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:57 am EST

Wild: It's not silly if it means not doing so results in losing someone you really want long term in the expansion draft. Yes, I'd rather see some cap hit retained and one of them moved for picks/prospects but there's gotta be a deal out there for that to happen. It's easy to sit here and speculate that there is and I concur with Staal that's believable, but with Girardi, not so much. He was horrible last year and the game, after the Pens win, is only going to get quicker. I am certain when it comes to G there's a wait and see attitude out there. That said, I'm sure there's a deal to be had if Gorther's willing to offer up an incentive, like Ryan Graves, to move G. I'd rather have the cap hit due to a buy-out vs that solution.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:55 am EST

Wild - I would think something similar to the Ryan O'Reilly trade last year. (Although that happened draft day). Before I mentioned the St. Louis deal. In addition to Ryan Callahan - here was the trade:,,,, a 2014 conditional 2nd round pick and a 2015 1st round pick Should the Rangers advance to the 2014 Eastern Conference Final, the 2014 second-rounder would become a first-round pick......In the event Callahan should re-sign with the Lightning, the Rangers would receive Tampa Bay`s second-round pick at the 2015 NHL Draft while the Lightning would receive the Rangers` seventh-round draft pick in 2015.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:54 am EST

Wild: Agreed that Stepan should have suitors and we've already heard more than once that Minnesota is interested (and they have an excess of young blueliners). I also like Ryan Ellis of the Preds and cannot believe Poile wouldn't be interested in adding Stepan to his lineup. Is he prepared to part with Ellis, however, is probably the bigger question. I like Cam Fowler, but suspect his salary is too large at this point (unless Rick Nash is dealt, but I cannot help but think Gorther likes the idea of a forward lineup that includes both Nash and Stamkos - Nash might have more value next summer when he's got only a year left on his contract anyways).

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:53 am EST

RF4L: Buying out Giradi or Staal would be terrible...absolutely terrible. Having them on the cap for twice as long as they currently have to deal with them is silly. There are teams that would take them with retained salary and they is a better options because the cap hit falls off quicker.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:49 am EST

DREW: Gorther is able to sign Stamkos and move Stepan and one of Staal/Girardi for a joint return of one young defenseman (such as Matt Dumba of the Wild) and picks and prospects. This would free up most of what it'll cost to sign Stamkos and start to address the compromised feeder system. Next spring move who's left of Staal/Girardi or if needed, buy that player out. I also really want to see AV give McI a legitimate shot on the backline. It would be amazing to see both S and G traded this summer but I'm trying to be reasonably realistic, too.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:46 am EST

DREW: That is true...fortunately Stepan is a very good player and there are a lot of teams who would like him. ESPECIALLY if it doesn't take away from their roster much. If the Rangers get Stamkos they will not need a roster player of any significance, so they will take futures instead...teams that feel "close" will want to do that. SO I would imagine that there would be 2 or 3 teams looking to get him at least.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:40 am EST

Wild - I agree (if Stamkos - move Stepan), however there needs to be attention to the sequence of events there. If we signed Stamkos, teams will know that Gorth is moving Stepan to clear cap space. Unless he creates a bidding war, GMs will understand that the Rangers are in a bind.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:33 am EST

Ranger47: I think the brass know that may be the case. I think that is why they are not jumping on any trade offer that comes along. IF they are able to get Stamkos on board they will likely move Stepan for the best they can get right now. They may also move Staal/GIradi for less than they think they can get to open up a bit more space. But if they do not get him I think they wait. And I am sure this wall will be full of hate for that.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:30 am EST

Not to sound overly pessimistic, but hanging on to players like Nash, Stephan, Staal and Girardi until the next trading deadline may be the best way to restock picks and prospects moving forward.

Ranger47


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:26 am EST

RF - (I hope my tone isn't coming across as confrontational - hard to emote on a message board), What would be your best case scenario summer? With realistic returns. I know moving Girardi and/or Staal is high on the list but I am curious (only because I am not sure myself). Is it moving Stepan, Klein, one of our RFAs? I am really hung up on Stepan as he and Brassard may not be true #1 centers but that position is so difficult to have depth at.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:25 am EST

York. Don't disagree....

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:22 am EST

RF he can't just take any deal or trade just to look like he's trying he's certainly trying but I don't see anyone looking to help him and he's probably getting low balled. He got fleeced on talbot, hags. Staal and I think he knows that and doesn't want that occurring again.

York18


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:21 am EST

Here is my take on the possible moves. SO with the two Dmen, Staal and Giradi, I think that they will move one of them unless the other GMs demand a higher pick along with them and retaining salary, I mean, they can't hurt themselves to move those contracts, they can always try again at the deadline or there is another buyout period before the expansion draft per reports. I also think that it there are other Dmen who will move around first, FA chats are going on, and there are other Dmen that teams want as well. SO perhaps after the FA signings happen Staal or Giradi move. NASH, some of the same issues, teams may want to make a deal that hurts rather than helps the Rangers, and other players may move first and teams are looking at certain guys, if they loose out they will turn to look at Nash. Stepan is the easiest to move and will get the biggest value of all of them. But again, teams are looking at Stamkos and others, they will try to get a top 6 guy without giving up assets before they give up stuff for Step. SO again, it will be a wait and see how things shake out.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:12 am EST

DREW: If that's the case, my prediction is the Rangers will end up firing AV mid-way thru the season and that won't help and it'll be one horrid year. That, however, might ultimately be the tonic to finally wake management up to make real changes. It also might be the end of the King's regime - cannot believe he'll want to stay around thru a rebuild. That said, if next year plays out that way, how will it impact him and his perceived value around the league? Maybe he'll even retire? Who knows...

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:09 am EST

Here;s a year old story on Nick Betz, a Ranger prospect camp invite. Big and rangy and stands up for his teammates but passed over the draft 4 times now (2013-2016, although I'm not sure if he was even draft eligible this year). Must be tough to endure. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/123157/off-radar-family-atmosphere-erie-propels-otters-betz-towards-redemption-nhl-draft/

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:06 am EST

RF - I also believe in my heart that the 2016-17 opening roster will not look much different as it does now. Minor changes - maybe a Fedetenko/Stalberg type signing in the past. Now the issue with that is that team might be on the cusp of the playoffs or within striking distance. I think 2017 deadline is where we would take a step back.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:04 am EST

Hospo: Agreed - Gorther has his work cut out for him. Is he up to it? I realize he had a big hand in the Bruins team that ended up winning the cup (after he left) but he wasn't saddled then with onerous contracts and a compromised feeder system. This situation is quite different IMO vs that one.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:01 am EST

BTW, I posted on here about Gorther sitting on his hands (for fins as stevie chimed in - lol) and I did so more out of frustration than anything else because we kept hearing about how intent he was to cut at the team's core, yet nothing happened. Yes, I'm being a little impatient and yes there's still plenty of time to get something done. That said, the clock is steadily clicking and I worry that he'll end up doing nothing, which I believe will be one massive mistake. I guess if that ends up being the case, I can take solace in the vision that no POs will likely result and the Rangers will be in the draft lottery (unless of course, Gorther doesn't something stupid that results in the Rangers having no first for the 5th consecutive draft (hell, he's already traded away next year's 2nd rounder so that concern doesn't come without merit IMO).

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:59 am EST

Thanks Hosp and RF - judging from your replies we are on the same page. Those deals (I think) typically happen at the deadline but I think this would help a Nash deal.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:56 am EST

DREW - We at least gotta give Gorton this off-season to see if his philosophy/strategy will be a new on or more of the same...I'll tell yu thug, the UFA pool is very weak..maybe a few players that appear interesting....Gorton, ni matter hiw mych he was involved in the past, has a hell of a job to make the needed changes on this team..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:54 am EST

DREW: Yes those types of conditions are seen all the time in trades - for example the Rangers ended up with Tampa's 2nd rounder in the Callahan deal when he resigned with the Bolts.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:53 am EST

Development Camp list..... Andersson, Calle ...Betz, Nick ...Buchnevich, Pavel ...Buinitsky, Dmitri ...Chapie, Adam ...Day, Sean ...Donnay, Troy ...Duke, Reid ...Fogarty, Steven ...Fontaine, Gabriel ....Gettinger, Tim ...Graves, Ryan ...Gropp, Ryan ...Halverson, Brandon ....Joly, Michael ...Kovacs, Robin ...Morrison, Brad ...Nieves, Cristoval ...Ottenbreit, Turner ...Plesa, Matthew ...Plesa, Nicholas ...Plesa, Peter ...Ronning, Ty ...Skapski, Mackenzie ...Smith, C.J ....Stromwall, Malte ....Tambellini, Adam ...Wall, Tyler ....Yaremko, Rylan ...Zborosky, Zachary ....Zborovskiy, Sergey.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:52 am EST

Those Plesas are from Calgary and all played in Sweden last year. Their numbers in the Alberta junior league aren't very overwhelming. Maybe someone doing someone else a favour?

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:46 am EST

I am not down on Gorton, fishboy, Gorther, etc as many are. I do think they put themselves in this mess. That is on Sather and Gorton (sorry RF "Gorther" ) : ) ...I think may of us on this board are adults and to say "Gorton asleep at the wheel, sitting on his hands, etc", is a bit unfair. I am not sure who the standard bearer GM is these days (Rutherford, Holland, Stan Bowman, The Brooklyn Brawler, Dean Lombardi?) Any of those men in our current situation would have a difficult time moving the players we want to move. (Maybe they wouldn't have put us in this situation like handing out 1st round picks like free samples of dip at Cosco). But I think I am starting to warm to this process going forward. I actually credit Gorton for getting picks for Yandle, someone who he couldn't sign. To be honest, I liked Yandle. That contract would have made me a bit upset. We don't have our 2nd next year but do have our 1st. By obtaining Florida's 4th, we were able to trade ours for what appears to be a top 6 defenseman, who is not killing the cap. I think we need to let this thing play out. I am in the minority, but I feel better after the draft and watching Gorton's interview. I am not drinking the kool-aid but he seems like he's got somethings working. (By the way, any Person of Interest fans on this board? Gorton slightly reminds me of Detective Fusco)...Anyway, I think the free agency has to to play itself out and then we would see Nash or Staal get moved. (possibly Girardi). Besides retaining salary, I wonder if Gorton could offer conditions on his deals. Does anyone know the limitations on conditional trades? For instance with someone like Nash, if the team wins the cup or makes the finals, the Rangers could receive a first rather than a third (something along the lines of the St. Louis / Callahan deal)? These now can come into play as the 2016 draft is behind us and the season ahead can impact a conditional trade. Also, keep in mind that Rick Nash himself was the hot item at the 2012 deadline and draft and the Rangers completed the deal in late July 2012.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:39 am EST

WILD - Cool...Thanks...My bad...but, I'll still wait and see..You just see so many random and bloated opinions out there on prospects in hockey and, especially, baseball that it's impossible to take too many of them seriously..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:39 am EST

I don't know but the Hanson Brothers are about the right age these days for the Rangers to want to offer them a UFA contact! LOL

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:35 am EST

In regard to the NYR Development Camp Roster.... Does anyone know who the Plesa brothers are? They're their own line. Are they related to the Hanson Brothers?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:21 am EST

HOSPO: McKeens Hockey is a very good scouting organization. Grant Mcagg is their Head Scout. He is hardly someone you can just dismiss as some blogger.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:17 am EST

WHo the hell is Grant Mcagg and why the hell shoud his words mean anything? Just so many freakin blogger opinions in sports these days for every tom, Dick and Harry.....Me? Opinion means nothing..like the chance on DAY..The rest is wait and see..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:04 am EST

NYStranger: Agreed with your post wholeheartedly. Tinkering means, I suspect, a worse year next season and perhaps PO challenged. Given how the team played basically all season long with the same coach and leadership group returning why expect anything substantial to change? Adding Stamkos gives the team a legitimate number 1 center for the first time since Messier era I and makes expendable Stepan who can be flipped for a young d-man or picks/prospects plus means, hopefully, Staal is moved for a similar return. Two birds with one stone sort of - change the dynamics on the team bigtime and start addressing the dangerously thin feeder system. I maintain if the latter isn't done, extended hard times is inevitable.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:00 am EST

That Finnish d-man apparently was a good snag, too. He played only 11 games last year and his value dropped because of it. I am really pulling for Day - prospect camp next week; it'll be interesting to read the reports on how he fares. I'm betting he'll stand out. That size and skating ability is a rare combination.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:59 am EST

Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg ...... On Tim Gettinger.... We ranked him at 68..that's +78 in value...perhaps the best in the draft.... More than a few scouts thought he'd go in the 2nd and he went late 5th. He was considered a top 30 guy last summer.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:58 am EST

Radulov is an ass and doesn't deserve the NHL, as flawed as the league is. Stay in Russia ya punk.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:57 am EST

In a polling of NHL scouts, Day was considered the best skater in the draft. I don't think the best skater has ever been taken so low. That's via Twitter and Grant McCagg. One of the scouts for McKeens hockey (spelling on that im sure is off)

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:55 am EST

Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg..... Sean Day has lost weight since the end of the season..if he gets in better shape and plays with more consistent effort piles of upside.... In a polling of NHL scouts, Day was considered the best skater in the draft. I don't think the best skater has ever been taken so low.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:48 am EST

Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg..... McKeen's chief amateur scout..... Rangers had some very intriguing picks.... Day was a nice gamble at 81....as were Gettinger at 141 and Fontaine at 171. Good value.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:42 am EST

WIOSA.... It's believed that he just used the NHL to up his contract offers in the KHL. He didn't even stick around until July 1st. Piece of work. Good Riddance!

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:38 am EST

Rhett....I find it hard to believe NO nhl team could work out a deal with him. He is a headcase though, so who knows. Interesting to say the least.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:28 am EST

Well, that was bizarre. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.... theScore ‏@theScore ...... Alex Radulov reportedly signs in Russia after failing to find NHL deal. http://thesco.re/29656X4

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:21 am EST

Well you can go about this two ways. Take the $16 million or so cap space and resign our RFAs and a couple of journeymen 3rd -4th liners and call it a day. Will we be better? No. Will we even be as good? Probably not. So the other way to go about this is to make a hard run at Stamkos. Then you HAVE to trade a Nash and or Stepan or a Staal etc. to make cap room for resigning our RFAs. Maybe this way you also get back something in trade that improves the team. This second way is the only way I see the Rangers being better next season without a coaching change. With or without getting Stamkos this is the only way I can envision improvement. Can't blow everything up....that will probably happen after next years expansion draft. I get a feeling we will loose someone we will lament big time. Thank you in advance Buttf&ckman. But the Rangers must IMO change more than its 3-4th liners and 6-7th D-men.

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:17 am EST

Ola...hear, hear, I have been saying this since 95. That said nothing will change. VIC I dont know whether to laugh or cry about Brooks tweet. STEVIE.. Yep, and its not like we're guessing or assuming, management is coming right out and saying it. We cant pay Hags, Yandle because of caap issues. YORKIE, I agree. Something unique about Ranger fans..a lot of them have an unrealistic idea of what NHL players are getting nowadays.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:39 am EST

RF: I saw that tweet from BROOKS yesterday and chuckled. So true....

Vic


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:37 am EST

LOL...funny quote by LB on AV's inane treatment of McI: "The Blueshirts did make a deal at the draft’s conclusion, sending a 2017 fourth-rounder to Colorado for 29-year-old depth defenseman Nick Holden, a lefty who plays both sides and who therefore immediately becomes the journeyman Alain Vigneault will play ahead of Dylan McIlrath … if McIlrath still is on the roster, that is."

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:33 am EST

Rhet: That's what I said about the Holden deal yesterday, too. Another possibility exists regarding who to protect and not protect: if Girardi has another sub-par year, I'd think Gorther would cringe at having to protect him. If so, buy him out before the draft. Yeah the cap hit hurts, but it won't be as bad as doing it now. Imagine if things work out like perhaps Gorther hopes and Stamkos is signed and Stepan moved to say Minnesota for Matt Dumba AND miracle of miracles, AV uses McI as he should: You'd have McD, McI and Dumba to protect - no way do you want to lose any of those 3 - buying out Girardi might be the best option (of course this is all assuming Staal agrees to be trade - if not, it's bye-bye McD or McI).

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:50 am EST

TD or you could be wrong and it is worse off no one knows. I do know 16 mil free with the RFA doesn't make this team better. Sign stamkos and you don't have 16 mil you have 6 mil with no in season money free at all. You need cap wiggle room for callous remember? It's stupid to think that 16 mil goes very far in today's NHL if you actually want to make your team better and keep the RFA that you want to keep.

York18


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:25 am EST

Yandle was a victim of the nyr cap problem .

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:04 am EST

If we start a rebuild now, it will be the same half arsed crap we always have seen in NY. Get a few names, hype them extremely much, then in 3-5 years when it didn't work, we have a loosing culture and lost all we built the last few years -- start trying to build a team around 2-3 UFAs. We must have patience. Go the full circle. Will we win a cup? Probably not. Tough, cry some more about it, nobody will give it to us for free. Then if/when we crash, you rebuild for real. Draft top 1-2 three years in a row.

Ola


Sun Jun 26 2016 6:57 am EST

Rhet0ric - Good call on the HOLDEN deal. That was a head-scratcher for me until you put it that way...interestingly enough, the guy was the only full-time blueliner to finish the season in the positive...doesn't portend well for fans of Marc STAAL, IMO.

tdchi


Sun Jun 26 2016 6:54 am EST

mf - Here's the way I look at it: If your team is at or over the cap and you still have holes in your lineup, you have cap issues. And I agree: It's 100 percent relative. Totally subjective too, because what we as fans perceive as an issue/not an issue may be a different story for a GM who has boots on the ground. Easy for you or anyone else to look at the Hagelin situation and proclaim it was a deal 'forced' by the cap and I don't think you'd be 100 percent wrong...but saying as much you're also ignoring where Gorton sees Hags in four years, how he sees him in the lineup, what he sees in the organization, and how much he envisions spending --not just that year, but in years down the road --and where the Rangers were slated to pick in the draft at the time. I'm sure there are other factors as well that I can't see...that's always been my point...but there are some here who love to carp on about how this was singularly a cap relief move and that's an overly simplistic way of looking at things...Regarding the cap this year: To look at the till having $16 million in it and to say that it's not enough to sign five RFAs and infill the rest of the lineup without breaking the bank...well...my opinion is that's plain stupid...especially when the only guy who may get a $4 million-plus contract is KREIDER...but then again, there are some fans who aren't happy unless there is some sort of imminent peril to gripe about...and so it goes.

tdchi


Sun Jun 26 2016 6:12 am EST

Erik Johnson ✔ @6ErikJohnson Gonna miss my boy Holdy!! Rangers getting a great player even better guy will miss ya buddy😢

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 5:39 am EST

Wild....I do understand your meaning on Yandle. Im one of the ones that liked him and felt for most of his tenure here was used improperly. When some of our D went down andvwe were forced to use him..he showed his skills. Balanced with a stay at home dman he was well worth the money. Oh well, sux but moving right along.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 26 2016 4:09 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/25/rangers-slow-approach-to-rebuild-cant-last-forever/

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 3:45 am EST

Bob McKenzie‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie NYR at No. 81, with their first pick of this draft, take Sean Day. Day was No. 58 on TSN list.

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:49 pm EST

Wiosa that's 3 card Monty math logic of everything is beautiful in its own way in the good the bad and the ugly ..... Free .... After you lost a few million ....still free ... Born free as free as the wind blows....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:22 pm EST

WILDCARD: No, it isn't hindsight when you many here said he should have been dealt at the deadline. And I made a strong case for why he should have been dealt last summer. It was so damn obvious that things were going to play out exactly as they did.

Vic


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:44 pm EST

Tim Gettinger.... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/6/25/12030198/nhl-draft-2016-rangers-select-left-wing-tim-gettinger-141st-overall..... http://bsndenver.com/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-tim-gettinger/ ....http://lastwordonsports.com/2016/06/04/tim-gettinger-scouting-report-2016-nhl-draft-65/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:07 pm EST

_Arc - are you talking about RAYNGER and the "Young Guns" draft guide?

DREW


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:06 pm EST

Rhety correctemundo, and we can, as can other teams can trade at the deadline for players that fit the criteria of the trade expansion criteria..... Not bad for a bunch of beer in the gullet

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:52 pm EST

Anyone know anything about the Gettinger (sp) they drafted...big 6'5" 200+. Always wonder if there is a chance a big guy like that can be a player or if they are a long shot.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:49 pm EST

So I read that Day kid was what, the 4th player to be granted exceptional status for the OHL to enter as a 15 year old and that he is the only one to not go first in their draft due to what sounds like maturity issues. One scout says if he puts it together he will be scary good. (Not a Rangers scout mind you). This could go down as one of better draft picks this team has made. He maturity must be improved since he self admired to teams that early this last season he wasn't in the best shape with 19% body fat but by the end of the year he had gotten it to 12-13%. Takes something of an adult to see an issue (even if it's told to you) and to put the work in to fix it. So maybe the maturity stuff is behind him and the Rangers will have a 6'2" 220-230 pound smooth skating D with top end ability on the way to the roster soon.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:27 pm EST

Best Draft memory; Despo desperately and quizzically flipping through that print draft guide that dude here put out years ago after the Rangers took a guy that nobody really knew. Ha. The sunshine bus!!!!

_Arc


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:16 pm EST

Looking forward to the activity over the next week,...Rangers and League-wide.......And not much for doling out love to prospects...but I'll be rooting for this DAY kid big time..

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:06 pm EST

“We’re still in a lot of conversations to try and make our team better, and that’s our priority,” Gorton said Saturday at First Niagara Center. “We’re listening to everything; we’re close on a few things, but it just didn’t materialize today . . . We tried to do some things, but we’re not going to be forced into a deal that doesn’t make sense.’’ ......http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/after-draft-gm-jeff-gorton-busy-mulling-rangers-options-1.11967624

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:03 pm EST

You have to look at the Nick Holden deal through the eyes of the Expansion Draft. Say we are able to find a taker for Staal. We would then most likely protect McDonagh, Klein and Girardi (NMC). Due to the Expansion Draft rules ...."All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft: One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons"..... We would then have to make McDonagh or Klein available for the draft to fill this criteria. Holden is inexpensive draft protection against this scenario.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:51 pm EST

TD, no way I top your ticket price to beer ratio, I paid $99 bucks for the ticket, but I'll blow you out of the water on the beer component of the ratio......

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:28 pm EST

WIOSA: I know what you mean...my post was half in jest....because saying that they traded Yandle to get Holden (essentially) is just silly as hell. They traded Yandle because they would not be able to sign him, Than they negotiated for Holden and Sakic took a 4th in return.....But you can follow with some reality of my thinking, that Yandle would have lead to nothing if they didn't trade his rights, and it cost them nothing to make that trade, than they spent nothing on Holden. However, yes they did give up a pick for him.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:21 pm EST

That's I don't blame Gordon btw

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:20 pm EST

Wild...that is the most convoluted logic I've heard in a long time. Maybe his rights could've been dealt elsewhere for a higher pick. That sounds like people who claim they didn't lose 5k because they were playing with the casinos money. Did you have to pay anything? Yes...Could you have kept it? Yes...then it was yours . They paid Yandles rights for a pick and most likely an expansion give away. JMHO. Using blame Gorton btw, I blame Sather.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:08 pm EST

Stevie. Since Yandle was almost certainly not going to be back....the Rangers got Holden for nothing. Since if they hadn't moved Yandle that's what they would have gotten for him. So to me Gorton got something for nothing. NOW if you want to argue he should have moved him at the deadline, that's a good argument. Hindsight being what it is 100% should say the best thing would have been that....but hindsight is just that looking back....

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 6:32 pm EST

So they traded the yandle conditional pick to get be Holden . Fishboy sounds a little confused. Almost like he's playing whack a mole .

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 5:34 pm EST

Rangers GM Jeff Gorton spoke after the draft on Saturday and said (NYR): On the picks, "As far as the picks go, obviously it's the same. You come out with the guys that you want and the guys work hard all year and put together a list and hope to get good value with the picks. That is what we felt we did. It's always difficult when you don't have a first round pick or second round pick, I can't stand here and say we are going to have a player who will play for us next year but we are encouraged with some of the picks that we made." On Sean Day, "the guys have done their homework on the player. They have talked with everyone around him. I think we knew it was kind of a possibility, it's similar to Duclair in a lot of ways. He was falling and there were reasons, supposed reasons and you do your homework and you hope that you are right." What is the priority now, "our priority is that we have development camp, guys are coming in, and then free agency. We are still in a lot of conversations with trying to make our team better and that is our priority, to get better." Where are the Rangers right now, "it's hard to say that, Larry. We are in a spot where we are trying to get better, trying to make some deals to get better. We are in a lot of conversations, we are listening to everything, we are close on a few things that didn't materialize today. There wasn't a ton of deals the last few days, we will see where it goes over the next week." On the RFAs, "I have reached out and talked to them, a couple of them more than once. I told them that I needed to know where the cap was, I needed to get through the draft, now we have done that and will have some harder conversations. I have an idea of what it's going to be for these guys depending on the term for all of them. We will move forward from there." "We like our RFAs, yes." Were you close to moving into the first round, "there was a couple of things that we had...yea, I would say that it was close but obviously it didn't happen. We tried to do some things, we thought it was close. It didn't go the way we wanted to but at the same time we weren't going to be forced into a deal that doesn't make sense." Have you started talking to any UFAs, "we have a few guys we are trying to reach out to. We are into that process and see where that goes." "I think it's fair to say that we are keeping our options open, whether it's the top free agents, role players, those kind of things, we are talking to them all because things can happen and happen quick. We are just trying to be ready." Is there a certain area you are targeting in free agency, "I think so, but I'd rather not say. I don't think it will help me to tell you who we are targeting but you can probably look at our roster and pick that apart and figure out what we need to do. I'd rather not say that we are looking for this guy or that guy because I don't think it's going to help us." Do you consider yourself to be a contender, "It's June 24th, I would say that by the fact that you are asking me the question that you would probably say no, but I think we have things to do to get us where we want to go. We lost Yandle who was a real good player for us, terrific guy. It's a big hit and we are looking to see where we can go from there and how to get better whether it's on defense or at forward. Are we going to make a big trade? Sign a free agent, we are going through all of those scenarios and hopefully, yes, we will be among those teams that have a chance to win." On a new assistant coach, "closer, yes, but nothing imminent. We will probably take another week or so here and then decide something." Isn't there anyone you haven't qualified who might be a surprise, "uhh, I don't think so. I don't think any of them would be a surprise." "We just made at trade with Colorado, we traded a fourth rounder next year for Nick Holden. Defenseman. That should be coming out right now....I think Holden is a guy who has gotten better every year in the league. He is a well rounded guy, kill penalties, play both sides, is real responsible, can skate. I think that he's good depth and see where he fits in." On the expansion draft, "I don't think it impacts everything we are doing but we have to be mindful of what is going on. We are going to lose one player, at the end of the day everyone loses one player so we can't disrupt everything that we are doing and to make a bunch of trades to satisfy these requirements. I think we know what is going on, we have laid it out with different scenarios and each move we make we will pay attention to it but I can't see us making a move just because of the expansion draft."

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 5:17 pm EST

You guys get why we made the Holden deal right? He fits all the requirements for the Expansion Draft... a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons. He also came cheap. This also tells me that there's a lot more in the works.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 5:16 pm EST

A. Dater who I have been 50/50 on when it comes to the Av's and their roster. A little Garrioch and Brooks in him. But he seemed to like the trade. In the sense that they got rid of the guy. I mean you can't go by YouTube too much or even stats. If you did then you'd think Marek Malik is one of the best defenseman the New York Rangers ever dressed. Which of course is either BS or it's a sad indictment of the New York Rangers and their futility. Ugh...

E


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:59 pm EST

Stamkos, Kreider, MZA and Brassard, Nash and MIller (or a reversal of wingers). Not a bad top 6 (plus Buch is in the mix there, too). Bottom 6 would be Lindberg (3rd line center), Fast, Hayes, Buch, Glass, Jensen plus perhaps Matt Martin (maybe instead of Glass) and/or anyone acquired via UFA and/or via moving out Stepan and S/G. That said, I am hoping if this all works out, those 2 fetch perhaps a young established d-man and picks/prospects. Like it or not, but the latter are desperately needed for competitive sustainability.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:56 pm EST

RF4L: Its hard to judge much outside the top 5-10 depending on the year. I mean how amazing is Slater Koekkoek? That is by the way, the 10th overall pick in 2012....Think TBL fans were all "this draft sucked" or did they talk highly as the scouts likely did. Its all ac rap shoot....and in a couple years we will start to see if its any good.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:53 pm EST

stevie: I posted about that (Shannan and Friedman) earlier today - I was actually watching it on TV when it happened. That little ditty referred only to the Rangers and came from Shannan. I am thinking/hoping part of Gorther's inactivity is that he needs to understand better his chances of landing Stamkos because if he can then 1) there's no need for Stamkos, Brassard and Stepan, meaning one of the latter two will go (because as I also posted earlier, Stamkos is seeking a number 1 center role as part of his UFA demands) 2) The pressure to free up cap space increases. I am thinking Gorther would prefer to keep Nash if he is able to sign Stamkos because if not, it's back to the one trick pony offense for the Rangers and as good as Stammer is, continually getting all the checking attention can be tough. Furthermore, Nash will almost assuredly do better if Stamkos is on the team. Can Gorther manage that financially, however. I would think if so, gone is Stepan (freeing up $6,500,000) and hopefully, one of Staal or Girardi (freeing up another $5,500,000) which basically covers the hit of adding Stamkos. The more I think about this the more it makes sense and actually might go a long way towards making the Rangers a better team overall.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:47 pm EST

Wild: Agreed it's way too premature to start assessing the Ranger picks, in large part because they didn't select until 81. BTW, that Finnish d-man apparently slipped a little because he was hurt last year. Hopefully, Ola has some insight on him....

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:43 pm EST

Stevie: Mehans bio page says he is.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:38 pm EST

RF4L: There was another kid drafted, I can't remember who, that was talked about having slipped....I think they have at least one that fell for some reason. We shall see though. I tend not to try to rate drafts so soon....its impossible to tell. Heck, the Duclair Buchnevich 3rd round was talk bout as risky and probably not so good when it happened....not look at it. Also the Huska draft pick....went from a head scratcher to a really top end late round pick.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:36 pm EST

Is Meehan Hank's agent?

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:35 pm EST

"There was also some other significant news, or speculation, that could affect the Rangers in the near future. One was a report by John Shannon and Elliotte Friedman on SportsNet, via NHL Network, that the Rangers will be in the hunt for Tampa Bay free agent Steven Stamkos, who is going to get maximum dollars if/when he hits free agency Friday. Teams were allowed to speak with prospective free agents in the window that opened Saturday, and surely Gorton wasn’t alone in speaking with Stamkos and/or his agent, Don Meehan. I will believe the Rangers are actually in the hunt, or that they can actually find the cap space to make it happen, only when it happens."

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:20 pm EST

Wild...oh, I hope so. So far other than the Day selection, I'm feeling bummed about Gorther's activities...

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:19 pm EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rangers-take-exceptional-gamble-sean-day-first-pick/

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:19 pm EST

Some encouraging words from Day today...nice to read. I am really pulling for this kid - for the Rangers and more importantly, for himself. He sounds like a fabulous kid, someone a father would be proud of.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:18 pm EST

RF4L: Matt Martin, UFA from the Islanders...

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:17 pm EST

E: When he is deployed against top forwards he struggles. but when he is used against lower forwards he is solid. Can have some flashes of offensive ability as well now and than. As long as Rangers fan don't expect the world from this guy I think that we will be happy to have him for a 4th rounder.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:16 pm EST

Wild: Martin??

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:09 pm EST

E..........go to Col site and watch his goals videos.........actually he looks pretty good.........and he shoots Left !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:01 pm EST

Don't know too much about this Holdin character. Tell me he ain't a right? Don't even remember seeing him on tv or at a game. So I know literally nothing about him.

E


Sat Jun 25 2016 3:59 pm EST

Reports that the Rangers have reached out to Martin

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 3:58 pm EST

Chris Krieder also needs to be more of a dick like he can be. But he has strong mans "problem" in today's NHL. If he really levers his strength on someone sometimes the other player will sell it so badly that you wanna scream. Then he ends up with 2-minutes for playing hockey. So instead of the blistering check sometimes he has to go straight to the pin on the wall. Welcome to the NHL 2016. Though shall not play mean.

E


Sat Jun 25 2016 3:54 pm EST

BTW, Kerby Rychel to the Leafs for Scott Harrington (who came in the Kessel deal) and a condition 5th rounder next year. Good deal for the Leafs - if Rychel's the real deal and simply needs a change of organizations, they've added yet another piece for their pending run up the standings.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 3:53 pm EST

Don't the Rangers have to have on their team for the expansion draft x number of forwards and y number of d-man who have played a certain number of games in the NHL (forget the exact numbers) over at least 2 seasons? Given the rule S and G must be protected and only 3 d-man can be protected, it means someone has to be available and right now that's KK or McI or McD or Holden or whoever else they get. So there's that in play in all of this, too.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 3:47 pm EST

So It's nick be Holden ... Fishboy has a 'few' trades he's working on...that's more than 2 ... A real multitasker ... Musketeer or Mouseketeer ....from jeff to iffy to jiffy ...

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 3:12 pm EST

MF, I was a big Greschner fan, and of course the 94 boys...Beuk, Leetch, Zubov..but, I always respected the puck moving dmen the most (Beuk the obvious exception) I know our defense left a lot to be desired last season, but I'm still leaning towards our offense being the problem. Part of the problem late last season was our forwards not contributing to the D, Nash the lone exception, and our D feeling the need to pitch in on scoring, I think our last 20 some odd goals were scored by or assisted by dmen. As always JMHO

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 2:49 pm EST

Hospo/wild -- agreed. Not sure what the brass is thinking at this,point but 99% sure it means another move is coming....soon.

JFC31


Sat Jun 25 2016 2:34 pm EST

JFC - Could be, but either way the team needs a RH offensive type D-man, and I think AV ill be demanding it...What I don't want is any of a bunch of 3rd pairing guys like Girardi (now), Holden, and Mcilrath (for now) on the second pair..

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 2:25 pm EST

JFC: I had not thought of it, but if f Giradi is what he was last year for good, Holden would be a decent replacement. Will never be what Giradi was, but can be what he is and what he is becoming.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 2:24 pm EST

Hospo -- Wild is correct....Holden is a 3rd pair dman who can fill in well on the 2nd pair. Physical? Not so much in open ice but along the boards and in front of the net he takes care of business very well. If we all think Girardi has sunk to the level of2nd or 3rd par, Holden can be seen as a precursor to a trade or him Or Staal.

JFC31


Sat Jun 25 2016 2:02 pm EST

Holden would be good on the 3rd pair for the Rangers. I don't know what that means when it comes to the possible moves,if a McIlrath is going or if its a Giradi/Staal going. I would think they want it to be a Staal or Giradi that moves just due to the cap and expansion.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:47 pm EST

Hospo: on the Right Side, a quick few names, there's Shattenkirk, Ryan Ellis (Preds) who RF has pointed to, Tyson Barrie (AV's) who I don't think is getting moved....

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:45 pm EST

Nick Holden has been a part of the RANGERGOLD fantasy team every now and then.

DOUBLEN


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:42 pm EST

can't say anything about HOLDEN..but his stats and size look like he's a big but not physical positional puck-moving D-man...son, as of now, we have MCD,Staal,SKEJI and Holden on the LHS...and, on the rhs, you got Klein,Mcilrath, Girardi..Do I have this right? Obviously means the Rangers will be looking for a RHS offensive D-man.....with one of Staal, or Mcilrath/Girardi (Skeji can move over like in the POs) likely a trade asset

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:38 pm EST

Nick Holden is the Dman I used most often to poor to the AVS needing better D. Not because he is terrible or something but because he was used in the top 4 sometimes the top 2 and really should be a bottom pair guy IMHO. When he played less minutes is when he looked the best and was the most effective.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:35 pm EST

Gorton says that the Rangers are close on a few trades. Just didn't get finished today. Wonder how many of any get completed.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:31 pm EST

Hope the gene pool in the Ronning family runs deep. Cliff Ronning was a great player whom I enjoyed watching. I guess my favorite part of the weekend has been the rumor of the Rangers dangling of Stall and Girlie. Hoping we add Martin somehow and lose Girlie to get Mac on the ice. This team needs a character adjustment.

stepunmytoe


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:31 pm EST

LOL! Italian key board auto-correct!

JFC31


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:30 pm EST

what's a Nick Holden?

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:30 pm EST

Rangers get defenseman Nick Holden from Colorado for,2017 4th rounder. This is a good pick up,for,the Rangers. He is a legitimate NHL defenseman, pretty young and still has room for,improvement. This prettamente much spell the end for one of our corrente D men.....Klein?

JFC31


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:29 pm EST

MF - Not so fast......CBJ loved what they saw out of their pick once he was moved to Center LAST YEAR, the position they want to use him at....The next few years will determine if they knew what they were doing.not the immediate reactions of talking heads

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:29 pm EST

Nick Holden for next year's 4th

thedoc85


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:28 pm EST

On Kulikov: if memory serves correctly, the kid fell quite a few slots due to the stigma associated with the Russian players... He certainly broke rank and stayed loyal to the NHL... I like the guys game....

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:23 pm EST

The CBJ pick is absolutely mind boggling... They could have had PULJUJAVI who is ready for NHL duty and then lobbied hard for David Backes who Torts probably would just love.......

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:08 pm EST

E - Exactly how I see JT and what he has to do.....Kreider can be more of a dick also...Hayes? get him the fuck out of here....:)....MF - I've always been with you on defense but it obviously appears that defense in the NHL now translates more to speed in order to get to the puck first , transition and keep possiession.in a 2 way game.

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 1:01 pm EST

WIOSA: I'm a Defense First sports fan and have paid attention to our GA's for what seems like an eternity..... Our GAA under Tort's was historically low for the Rangers, under AV, it has risen significantly.. With the benefit of hindsight, Sully is the man we needed to replace Torts, we were built for him.... I'd trade AV for Sully in a NY second.... Back to the point though, we need to readdress our emphasis to team defense up & down the line-up, and, we do need other offensive weapons, be that in an improved PP, or a key signing or two, or the improved growth of some of our existing players.... jmon....

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:55 pm EST

HOSPO: JT has to channel more of that inner asshole. He gets under some people's skin. He has to get under everyone's.

E


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:53 pm EST

I think we now can fully accept what we've always known to be true: the media is an echo chamber and most of what goes on is just the media taking something and run with it. Kulikov turns out to be the big address change. Ugh... Talk about no drama. I mean, who do you have to blow to get real inside information? That's real inside information... As in from the inside... As in not inside a parents basement.

E


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:46 pm EST

I wish they would blow this team up. I don't see this team even with a re-tool being anything close to a contender. We saw what happened if the king couldn't stand on his head for a full 60. I think Hank could snag a real return that the team could build around. Not sure what team has the assets and cap space maybe Dallas with one of their contracts coming back plus a prospect or 2.

barto


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:36 pm EST

Round 7 Pick #201 TY RONNING Canada BIRTHYEAR 1997-10-20 BIRTHPLACE Burnaby, BC, CAN AGE 18 NATION Canada POSITION RW SHOOTS R HEIGHT 175 cm / 5'9" WEIGHT 75 kg / 165 lbs NHL DRAFT 2016 round 7 #201 overall by New York Rangers RANKINGS Ranked #159 by Hockeyprospect.com Ranked #97 by ISS Hockey Ranked #108 by Future Considerations Ranked #139 by McKeen's Hockey Ranked #88 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Skaters) A small but industrious speedster that always seeks to be engaged in the play. Skates very well and has the shiftiness to avoid being rubbed out. Isn't afraid of physical play, but knows his role as an offensive catalyst and plays to his strengths. Excellent hands and hockey sense. Only knock is his size, but that doesn't impede his compete level. Possesses the fundamental skills and natural goal scoring instincts that make the players around him better. [EP] Father: Cliff Ronning The son of former Vancouver Canucks forward Cliff Ronning is hoping to embark on an NHL career of his own and it could all start this weekend at the 2016 NHL Entry Draft. The younger Ronning is a forward with the Vancouver Giants, and the NHL's Central Scouting service has ranked him as the 88th-best North American skater available. That means he is unlikely to go in Friday's first-round draft, but he has a shot at being picked up in later rounds. "I'm excited. I'm really, extremely excited," Ronning told On The Coast guest host Michelle Eliot. "The draft is getting your foot in the door. That's one thing. It's about pushing that door open. It's gonna take a lot more effort and a lot more sacrifices and a lot of skating and training and a lot of early days in the gym. So it's just one thing." The elder Ronning, Cliff, says his son may be small, but he has a "tremendous" shot and is always dangerous on the ice. But more importantly, he says, his son has no fear of hard work. "It's a will. It's passion," Cliff Ronning said. "There's things that come along the way as a young kid you've got to give up … that's just part of that sacrifice you've got to give up to get to the next level. "We're real excited for him." 'It's something special looking up to him' Cliff Ronning was drafted 134th overall in 1984 and logged more than 1,100 games played while scoring nearly 900 points. He says he tries to share his knowledge with his son whenever he can, but Ty Ronning says he's not worried about living up to his father's legacy. "It's something special looking up to him and I'm trying to follow in his footsteps, but, you know what? It's my journey," Ty Ronning said. "My dad's been there for me and he's been through the NHL career with a smaller stature, but … he's got the heat and I think I got the same."

RF73


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:35 pm EST

WIOSA/MF - I see huge things from JT MILLER this coming year..Not only popping in over 30 but even taking on more of a leadership role, at least through actions on the ice...I lovewd when he showed his fire and got pissed last year while others tanked,,.The team needs it badly, from him and others,,,.I would love a vet that felt and acted the same way, also...

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:31 pm EST

Round 6 Pick #174 TYLER WALL Canada BIRTHYEAR 1998-01-14 BIRTHPLACE Leamington, ON, CAN AGE 18 NATION Canada POSITION G CATCHES L HEIGHT 188 cm / 6'2" WEIGHT 86 kg / 190 lbs NHL DRAFT 2016 round 6 #174 overall by New York Rangers RANKINGS Ranked #195 by Hockeyprospect.com Ranked #30 by NHL Central Scouting (NA Goalies)

RF73


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:29 pm EST

Round 6 Pick #171 GABRIEL FONTAINE Canada BIRTHYEAR 1997-04-30 BIRTHPLACE Sherbrooke, QC, CAN AGE 19 NATION Canada POSITION C SHOOTS L HEIGHT 185 cm / 6'1" WEIGHT 85 kg / 187 lbs NHL DRAFT 2016 round 6 #171 overall by New York Rangers RANKINGS Ranked #163 by Hockeyprospect.com Ranked #95 by McKeen's Hockey - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=213781#sthash.oNlZBeou.dpuf

RF73


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:25 pm EST

MF, agree there are teams in worse shape with the cap. As for our wonder kind. as in wonder just who will produce this season, my money is on JT. He has to step up to 30 though..we need another scoring threat with size. Good to see we're looking for speed and size, we need it. We are going to need help on special teams again....

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:24 pm EST

Round 5 Pick #141 Timothy Gettinger North American Skater Sault Marie, OHL Final Rank: 37 Midterm Rank: 28 Position: Left Wing Shoots: Left Height: 6' 5" Weight: 200 Born: April 14, 1998 Hometown: North Olmsted, Ohio Birthplace: Cleveland, OH, USA Drafted: NYR (5th Round / 141st Overall) • A power forward with mobility, Gettinger collected 17-22—39 in 60 regular-season games as an alternate captain with the Soo Greyhounds in 2015-16. He added four points in the postseason to help lead Sault Ste. Marie to a first-round upset against the No. 2-ranked Sarnia Sting. • Drafted 49th overall by the Greyhounds in the 2014 Ontario Hockey League Priority Selection, Gettinger earned First All-Rookie Team honors in 2014-15 after posting 10-15—25 in 54 games. • Internationally, the Ohio native helped the United States to a second-place finish at the 2014 Under-17 Five Nations tournament. He also wore the red, white and blue at the 2015 Ivan Hlinka Memorial where he collected 2-2—4 in four games. • His older brother, Grant Gettinger, played four seasons at Mercyhurst University, winning the NCAA Atlantic Hockey Conference regular-season title in 2013-14. He played the 2015-16 campaign with the Fayetteville FireAntz in the Southern Professional Hockey League. GETTING TO KNOW TIM... My go-to karaoke choice is: Justin Bieber Last TV show I binge-watched is: How I Met Your Mother The celebrity that always makes me laugh is: Adam Sandler The app I spend way too much time on is: Twitter The coolest person I've ever met is: Wayne Gretzky The athlete I admire most is: Alex Ovechkin If I could be one person for a day it would be: LeBron James I am inspired by: My Family I am afraid of: Snakes I dream of: Being successful

RF73


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:17 pm EST

Canucks' Benning facing tampering charge BUFFALO, N.Y. — NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly acknowledged Saturday that multiple complaints have been lodged against the Vancouver Canucks for tampering, stemming from comments made by GM Jim Benning this week. No matter the intrigue or interest level, team management personnel are not permitted to speak publicly about players under contract with another NHL team. Benning said on TSN 1040 Vancouver on Thursday he called the Canadiens to discuss acquiring P.K. Subban and planned to phone the agents for Steven Stamkos on Saturday once the free agent courting period opened. His comments were honest, not speculative or with any slant. But they run counter to NHL Bylaw 15 on tampering. “I’ve had a discussion both with Jim and with Trevor Linden,” Daly said. “They understand where we are on this situation. We talked about announcing something early next week.” A violation would make Benning’s wallet lighter at a minimum, while an infraction deemed to be more severe could cost Vancouver draft picks. Benning’s punishment, if any in this case, would likely be in the form of a fine. Toronto Maple Leafs head coach Ron Wilson was slapped with an undisclosed fine - reported as $25,000 - in 2009 for saying on radio “I would think that we would be going after the Sedins” in free agency. “We’ve had a couple of instances where team people have spoken out of school,” Daly said. “I’m not sure if we’ve announced the penalties associated with them. There’s a lot of different factors involved in something like that. You have to see if there was damage done by the comments. Typically, if it’s perceived as more of a violation than any damage done, it might be less. Really depends on the circumstances.” Benning’s comments about Stamkos, in particular, are tricky because he is a pending unrestricted free agent and the interview period was just two days away. Either way, the spectre of a fine grabbed the attention of the rest of the league’s general managers. They’re watching their words. Flames GM Brad Treliving recoiled when asked Friday night whether he spoke to the Lightning about goaltender Ben Bishop. “I don’t talk about other team’s players,” Treliving shot back.

RF73


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:11 pm EST

4 deals -- Eller, Elliot, Kulikov and Shaw-- right? pretty meager activity...league wide..But I'm sure alot of ground work has been laid which will take off once teams know more about the UFAs and their decisions..

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:01 pm EST

Sorry meant to preface this by not signing Stamkos.

DREW


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:01 pm EST

This is where I think Hospo and I would disagree. I would move some parts for the next 2 seasons and the UFA I'd go after is Tavares in 2 years.

DREW


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:50 am EST

So the NYR keep looking for big bodies who can skate. Can't disagree with that philosophy too much.

E


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:49 am EST

GABRIEL FONTAINE????

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:44 am EST

RF: thanks for posting the article on Sean Day..... I 'm really glad we got this kid..... IF SKJEI can develop his offensive skills, we could see a future generation of Skjei, Graves, Day down the left side of our Defense.. all LHS

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:38 am EST

TD / WIOSA: IMO, This Cap situation debate is relative... There are teams in worse condition than us who also have not won the cup, Pitt is cap strapped but has won, there are plenty of teams that barely made the cap floor for years, and they put a horrible product on ice for years...... IMO, we're not in that bad a shape: Cap went up a modest $1.6mill to $73mill, and we're another year past having to replace the production lost by MSL..... BIG "IF" Kreider, Miller, Lindberg, all improve,,,, Zucc, Brassard, Stepan duplicate their production, a guy like BUCH-THE-KNISH can make the squad, SKJEI gets a full season in, McDonagh manages to stay healthy.....we're gonna be good ..... "BIG IF"

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:30 am EST

IMO, due to these 2 NMC's on defense its very important that we have a couple of young defensemen who do NOT need to be protected as per the expansion draft rules..... Look at SKJEI, he will NOT need to be protected in this upcoming round of the expansion draft, however, if the next expansion round is the year after, SKJEI, "will need to be protected." .......... If we can move Girardi & or Staal, the options afforded to the NYR brass increases exponentially..... 1) because it allows us to use a protected slot on another player 2) because we may be able to bring in a replacement at several million dollars less 3) maybe AV & Co. want to change the dynamic of the D corps by exchanging a player with a different set of skills...........

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:29 am EST

Will these be amnesty buyouts - if we have to carry extra cap space, I'd rather they didn't

DREW


Sat Jun 25 2016 11:07 am EST

"Tarmo Reunanen is an offensive minded defenceman who can carry the puck, dangle through traffic and set up his teammates. While he relies on his offensive skills, he is not a defensive liability. Poised and calm in his own end. Doesn't shy away from physical play." General consensus is that he could have been picked in the later fourth or fifth.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:52 am EST

Actually TD, there was more than just you last season. This season, despite being wrong last season, you seem to be alone. I really don't care about Pitt' s problem, but two months ago I would gladly walk into their Cap He'll. We need to replace production from, Boyle, Yandle, MSL, THAT winger, plus sign 6 RFA' s. and we have how much? Yeah, ok.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:42 am EST

Buyout period will open before the NHL expansion draft. Means the Rangers will have another crack at buying out bad contracts if need be necessary.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:39 am EST

Wow, DAY is a big Boy! Seems happy to be a Ranger...Just from that interview, he seems like a goofy fun-loving kid (putting it nicely)...Hopefully he just needs some maturity to take the game as serious as he should...Hopefully not a Kevin Hayes type...

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:38 am EST

Hospo: Read the article I posted - very interesting and will answer I think the questions you have about Day.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:38 am EST

Scouting on DAY: Possibly the best skate in the draft...so fluid and has the ability to make the game look easy at times...impressive combo of size, skill and agility...natural ability suggests he has the potential to take game to another level." --Matt Ryan, NHL CSB.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:31 am EST

As for Day....Supposedly a Big D who might be the best skater in the draft by some accounts? Why being drafted so low? If it's character or attitude, I have no problem with the Rangers taking a chance on a non-choir boy for once at this spot..

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:31 am EST

Hospo - Think you nailed it...Not sure any GM in on STAMKOS wants to make the kind of moves that they'd need to make in this draft...Think any suitor for him is going to want to keep at least $11 million in cap space. Really, the only deals we've seen are ones that have cleared cap.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:28 am EST

That kid DAY is massive. 6'2, 230 pounds? Damn. Would be New York's first native Belgian.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:28 am EST

Day? Who cares....No trades yet? Welll, there hasnt been much by most teams...Love to know what UFA's they may be intertesred in....STAMKOS as the Whitre Whale is foolish..Will never come to NY over TB or Detroit,,,and other teams..Don't waste any effort on him..

Hospo


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:27 am EST

mf: Read the story I posted - it's very interesting, if not enlightening. Day sounds like a mature kid who gets it. I reasonable gamble for the Rangers IMO. He gets his act together and the Rangers have a gem. I am quite surprised one of those teams will multiple 2nds and 3rds didn't take him. For sure, he's been tagged with a negative view, right or wrong.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:25 am EST

RF: Sean Day is a kid that was bigger than everyone else growing up (man-boy). He's huge, strong, and IMO if his skillset keeps evolving as he moves up the levels will be a very good defenseman for many years....... He was projected much higher just two years ago, but the game has changed..... I'm surprised he was available for us......

mf


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:23 am EST

Found this interesting story on Day - close to his older brother who's in jail for killing someone in a car accident when he was drunk. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/ohl-steelheads-exceptional-player-sean-day-opens-up-about-life-off-the-ice/

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:22 am EST

Rd4l so what can they talk about , the weather and how's the family ? Fishboy desperately needs to get stamkos and dump stepan and whomever to make cap room . Otherwise the retool is a bag of assorted left handed screwdrivers ...they can give them out opening night so the fans know they've been screwed ...

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:21 am EST

Talk on him is this: Tons of skill and a man's body early so he never really had to work hard on his game. Once he hit the OHL and started playing against kids his size and with better skill, his lack of fortitude has been his downfall. Another knock is despite his size, he plays soft. So in short, a gamble for the Rangers but given their lack of picks not unreasonable IMO. If Day can get his shit together, he could end up being a fabulous pick.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:20 am EST

Oh and speaking of constipated posters around here...Penguins' cap space: $1.3 million OVER the cap...but oh...they're not in any cap bind...

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:19 am EST

Rangers take Sean Day - once a draft day darling but stock has dropped huge. He was granted OHL exception status but alas, has failed badly to meet those expectations. Something to consider - previous kids who got that all went first overall in the draft (Tavares, Ekblad and McDavid).

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:15 am EST

WIOSA - Don't know how it could be any more clear...$16 million in cap space. About $8 to $9 million devoted to RFAs. $7 to $8 million to fill the rest of the roster...and that's cap problems? Get real. And if you want to take digs at me, use my name.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:15 am EST

John Shannon saying he heard the Rangers are in hard on the Stamkos sweepstakes. Talking with pending UFAs can occur but apparently, money cannot be discussed, which of course is a pile of crap.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:13 am EST

Oh, the Rangers first pick of the 2016 draft is coming up. I am just tingling with excitement!

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:13 am EST

The perpetually broken Beau BENNETT is a New Jersey Devil. Good acquisition if the kid can ever get healthy.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:13 am EST

ARC...beats me. Last season everyone, beat writers, players, analysts, mgmt all said the Rangers had cap problems. We had posters who said "BS" When we lost THAT winger due to the cap, They still said "BS" . As I type, Gorton still has not contacted ANY RFA' s. We never even tried to work out Yandle, yet I'm still reading here, " no cap problem" . I'm SMH too.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:05 am EST

Don't know Arc. Perhaps you could ask yourself that. You're the only guy here who can give himself a colonoscopy at any given moment of the day.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:04 am EST

DREW: I'd say plenty of teams would be interested in Staal - the opposite, however, with Girardi. The problem is the NMC Sather gave both....

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 10:00 am EST

So wait a sec; $16 million for 6-7 players is great cap space but $5-6 mil for 1-2 guys (Pitt) is 'cap hell? Seriously how do people's heads fit so far up their asses?????

_Arc


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:59 am EST

Who would want Girardi or Staal?

DREW


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:47 am EST

Girardi//Staal?? Is FLA making room for a veteran defenseman? Maybe the NYR could swing a trade.. FLA has no state tax so getting traded there is like getting a big raise!! http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/sabres-solidify-d-corps-acquire-dmitry-kulikov-from-panthers/

schneidw


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:41 am EST

Ranger scouts must hate this...

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:31 am EST

Ulf Dahlen's son just got selected (by Ottawa). Cool....

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:29 am EST

Vic/york: Alas, you're both right. Sather's screwed this up huge in his reckless and misguided pursuit at winning a cup with a flawed team. Silly trades and sillier contracts. So disappointing. Thank goodness they are finally doing things correctly in Toronto - at least next year I'll have a team that will be interesting to follow.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:28 am EST

York - $16 million is not up against the cap! No idea how you can say that. They don't have the best position...but point of weakness? Bullshit.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:25 am EST

YORK: I agree and I've been saying the same things. Teams aren't out there fighting each other for a chance to acquire any of the players that the Rangers would like to deal. There would definitely be interest in McDONAGH, SKJEI, KREIDER, MILLER, MZA, McILRATH and GRAVES. And I don't think the Rangers really want to move any of them with the exception of maybe McILRATH. I don't think there is much interest in STEPAN or BRASSARD. Other teams see those guys for what they are. Neither is a difference maker. Both have their warts that make them unsuitable to being a #1 Center and neither really makes anyone around him much better. And both are overpaid. They can be moved but the Rangers aren't going to get someone we would consider as "better" in return. Just different.

Vic


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:17 am EST

They're not sitting on their hands teams don't want to pay what the rangers are asking and they are against the wall do they make another deal like talbot hags or hild on

York18


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:16 am EST

I said it the other day the rangers are dealing from weakness teams know this and thought some here hate to admit it the players the rangers want to move teams aren't going to give up much for. Nash coming off a horrible year will not bring back half if what was given up for him staal girardi forget it stepan is the strongest player they could move but again teams know the rangers are against the cap and looked very bad come playoffs and teams are playing them against themselves and the rangers are in a though spot and like I said last month little will change and they need to stop trading picks now because no firsts and seconds is getting to kill the franchise

York18


Sat Jun 25 2016 9:05 am EST

Kulikov to Buffalo....Gorther sitting on his hands again.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:36 am EST

Bob: It sure is weird. And wrong, especially when you have no cup to show for trading them away so frivolously. Sather's a sham, as york has pointed out before. As I've said numerous times clearly the impressive accomplishment he can boost of since arriving in NY is conning that idiot owner into securing a job for life contract. Only in RangerLand...

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:32 am EST

Sorry DREW-----it was just me being a wise ass. RF4L---isn't it wierd to have 4 straight years of no #1 pick? I was thinking the same thing yesterday. And they have zippo in Round 2 today as well. The odds go way down from here on out regarding if a kid actually makes it to the NHL. Makes trading any current NHL-worthy player for a pick a huge risk. Say what you will about Hayes, he is most definitely an NHL player. Not so much for any draft pick. And remember that Dolan does not give a crap......he has made millions off the Rangers since the cap was instituted and Sather has piled up the stock options as a result. When the owner cares only about profits and not at all about winning, this is what you get.

Bob


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:30 am EST

Re Stamkos leaving Tampa - something that doesn't get talked about that much on why Stamkos is leaving is that Cooper puts him on wing and he'd rather play center. Almost for sure wherever he signs, it'll be with the agreement that he's the team's first line center.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:29 am EST

TD: I'll bet the BJs are after Stepan - they are very weak at center (and that's why they selected Dubois at 3 over the Finn). The problem is of course, trading Stepan leaves a hole at center for the Rangers. BTW, I agree 100% Gorther needs to land a 2nd rounder somehow, although after yesterday's less than zero activity from the Rangers, I'm not holding my breath, that's for sure.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:25 am EST

Sonny MILANO is allegedly in play. He would be a great addition, but I suspect one that would come with HARTNEL'S or TYUTIN'S contract. In truth, Hartnell wouldn't be a bad addition. Not sure who would go the other way. Maybe HAYES?

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:24 am EST

TD: I find it stunning that this is the 4th year in a row with no first round selection for the Rangers. Of course, I know why that's the case but geesh, it's how to screw up a franchise long term 101 for me. And the man responsible has a job for life. Incredible. Only in RangerLand....

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:22 am EST

Bob - What was that Stamkos, Staal, Schoenfeld quote from?

DREW


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:11 am EST

re•tool rēˈto͞ol/ verb 1. adapt or alter (someone or something) to make them more useful or suitable. Used in a sentence “Ranger fans are real tools if they think team management have any capabilities to accomplish anything useful or suitable.”

RF73


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:10 am EST

Stamkos told Schoenfeld "no thanks" when he was told that the coach wanted to use him as the 3rd line center, replacing Staal, and that if he played well, he might get some time on the 2nd PP unit.

Bob


Sat Jun 25 2016 8:04 am EST

Draft day is always a tough lump to swallow when you don't and haven't had a first rounder to pick with. And it's tough to imagine how and where the Rangers could have landed in the draft if they wanted. To get into the top 10, they would have needed to part with assets: Pick any two of Derek STEPAN, KREIDER, MILLER, SKJEI, McDONAGH or BUCHENEVICH. Maybe one of those players to land between 11 and 20. Or NASH or KLEIN, or possibly BRASSARD to move between 21 and 30. Looking over who was picked, I don't see any players outside of the top three that could have significantly helped the Rangers, while patching the hole left by the players they would have to move. In most cases, it seems like the players selected are a good year-to-three years away from the NHL...and when it came down to the final 10 of the first round --including the 20th overall the Red Wings ultimately acquired --each pick represents a project. None of the 10 are sure-fire NHLers by any stretch of the imagination. Probably the best one picked was GAUTHIER...maybe Max JONES...And in truth, picks 20 through 60 are really of the same class, IMO...which still kind of sucks because the Rangers don't get in until 81...so what to do? Well, I think it's incumbent upon them to recoup a second rounder somehow. Lord knows enough of them have been moved around...In reality, the odd man out here is HAYES, who can be moved without much impact to the lineup and would probably fetch said second rounder and maybe even a mid-level prospect...My next step is to move Rick NASH...Frankly, I think whatever the return would be would be worth it in the long run...because then they have the latitude to make pitches to STAMKOS, RADULOV and OKPOSO --any of the three would be an upgrade, IMO...and at a bare minimum, the Rangers need to open space in the top nine for Buchnevich...what to do with the D? Well, I think the easiest upgrade would be to find what package gets TROUBA here. If that means trading a guy like Step, then so be it. They need to find a young, up-and-coming blueliner, preferably on the right side to be a true top pairing...I know SHATTENKIRK is the one everyone keeps pointing to, but he's no more than answer to the Rangers' defensive woes than YANDLE was...in moving Nash, I could also see throwing a feeler out for VANEK who is getting bought out. Not worth his contract now, but if he can be bought on the cheap? Might be a good signing...oh well...one hour and we'll see where Gorton's mind is...whether this "retool" is an idle threat or an honest endeavor.

tdchi


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:51 am EST

MTL- The Canadiens totally IMPLODED last year... miss the playoffs... must be looking to shake things up MAJOR! Brassard would be a good fit in MTL... right?

schneidw


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:50 am EST

STAMKOS- agree, he is not coming to NYR... I thought he may head back to Tampa... starting to think he may be Buffalo bound... Sabres looking to make a big splash... they are close to TOR but far enough away to avoid media insanity...

schneidw


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:48 am EST

NASH: I just read his list of 12 teams does NOT include any Canadian teams.. crazy! Guess value of the dollar more important than playing for a team in your home country... I think Nash can be traded in a hockey trade and not total salary dump... there are teams that will don't attract UFAs and need a winger who can score on occasion... he only has 2 years left on his contract... I wish I know the 12 teams...

schneidw


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:43 am EST

BTW, for those pining for Stamkos, unless Gorther does some magic in the next little while, you're getting your hopes up for nothing I suspect. Why would Stamkos want to come to a club that's on the decline? The roster is dotted with unmoveable players (due to bad contracts), the best player is aging (Lundvqist) and there's very little in the feeder system to sustain competitiveness. There are clearly far better options for Stamkos. Now if Gorther can move say Nash, Stepan and one of Girardi or Staal today, the landscape might be quite different. I am preparing myself, however, to be disappointed - after all I'm a lifetime Ranger fan and that's what this team is about far more often than not. *SIGH*

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:39 am EST

gene: Totally agree. For sure the chickens are starting to come to roost. It's just going to get worse, too. Maybe, however, we'll finally get a rebuild, although somehow I suspect Gorther will screw that up, too.

RF4L


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:33 am EST

If there is no league interest in either Staal or Girardi, and, as has been reported, the Rangers would be required to protect Girardi for the expansion draft, then the Rangers need to cut bait and buy out Dan Girardi. The cap hit for the next six years would sting, but we don't, then the Rangers would be forced to protect Staal and Girardi and would protect McDonagh and would therefore have to leave Klein and McIlrath and any other defenseman they might acquire this offseason exposed for expansion.

evets1980


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:24 am EST

RHETT...Dealing Nash and Stepan for prospects, combined with losing Yandle for draft choices, takes us from decent team to a sucky team. JMHO. Oh and if we are dealing Stepan, Nash and Yandle. Why bother getting Stamkos? Another "please be our savior" move? SMH

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:24 am EST

RHETT...Dealing Nash and Stepan for prospects, combined with losing Yandle for draft choices, takes us from decent team to a sucky team. JMHO. Oh and if we are dealing Stepan, Nash and Yandle. Why bother getting Stamkos? Another "please be our savior" move? SMH

WIOSA


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:19 am EST

It does not appear that a significant retool is possible. Chicago managed the cap but had a stronger core (as does Pitts) and better players to trade for assets. The trading away of draft picks and this" go all in" mentality has proved to be a failure. There is no cup, we could have two Lunquests and no possibility of a cup, a pipeline that is beyond bare, and a reasonable expectation of a return to mediocrity. It is not possible to run a healthy business by mortgaging the future. The Rangers are the poster child for that model. Chicago is an example of a much sounder strategy, but then again comparing Bowman to Sather is a severe mismatch.

gene_carr


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:16 am EST

Goofiest Draft Picture ever? ...https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/746676640802021376

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 7:11 am EST

Questuon of the day: If Stamkos has no interest in coming to the NYR, how do we get better? Trading Nash and Stepan won't make us better, it will just make us different.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:32 am EST

so who is hiding outside stamkos' house? ....did weeknow ask him to come and play on the 3rd line as a winger?.....or take moore's spot as 4th line center ?....retool means ? ....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 4:29 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/25/trade-minded-rangers-come-away-empty-handed-for-now/

stevielegs


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:53 am EST

E: really unless they are talking round 1 picks for that day I think hey table discussion until morning.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 25 2016 12:42 am EST

I really think that now that GMs, agents etc... can talk more you're gonna see some movement tomorrow. The last few seasons we've seen day-1 to be kinda dry.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:55 pm EST

The delay in the Detroit pick was due to Sather falling asleep and the paramedics reviving him.

Bob


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:55 pm EST

The delay in the Detroit pick was due to Sather falling asleep and the paramedics reviving him.

Bob


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:32 pm EST

Don't forget. Other teams that might be looking at D or a C like Stepan will want to see if they can snag a UFA or if one is interested in them before they give up assets. So after some chats tonight we may see teams move on Step or Staal/Giradi. Sometimes it seems fans forget it's not just the Rangers who want to make a move....thee have to have a team to dance with.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:06 pm EST

MF - Not sure they are going to go upper tier--which is basically limited to Backes and a few others (I can't remeber the names)...Smart signings and trades for a TEAM...1 or 2 players and/or role players can make a huge difference

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:53 pm EST

NYStranger: Stamkos is 26.5 y/o, almost every other big name guy we've chased was way older.... I think they will definately kick the tires on signing him..... Hospo, after Stamkos, where's the upper tier FA talents? Guess we can try to trade for some.....

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:41 pm EST

I think my biggest nightmare right now is somehow Stamkos singing with the IceHoles. Grrrrrrrr

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:40 pm EST

I don't think there's a chance in hell for Stamkos in NY and hope they aren't even thinking about him...IMWO, .It's either TB or Money..where other teams can blow the Rangers out of the water..I hope they spend their time evaluating other FA more wisely

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:37 pm EST

Td I was just thinking the same thing.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:36 pm EST

Stamkos has played his last game with the Lightning, IMO. Yzerman's tone said it all.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:34 pm EST

Hospo I am being partly facetious but I really thought there might be more trades going into tonights draft, and not for a 1st round pick. So far barely any smoke. Guess we should be happy that they got a couple of picks from the Panthers. BTW did anyone notice all those hotties out in the stands? Might try and go to one of these draft things....LOL

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:31 pm EST

Rhet0ric - very good point, re: free agents. I'm pretty sure the goal here is STAMKOS, and it'd be a real bitch to trade someone like STEPAN only to find out Stamkos has no interest in signing with you.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:29 pm EST

RHET - Bingo on the "players over prospects/picks" Been saying that for awhile..Then again, so has everybody else...:)..Good poingt about waiting till after 12 tonight to aguge FA interest and why tomorrowe and future days seem more likely,,

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:27 pm EST

NYStranger - My bad,,, didn't read the 2nd line of the post! I just didn't thinnk the Rangers would be going after a 1st rounder..I think they want to change the team around but not by getting draft picks for the future..but for real changes int the NHL next year..Hard deals to make....and liek you, I think we'll see 1 or 2 by tomoorrow...and, again, it will hinge (like the UFA period) on good evaluation of non-Ranger talent to make good deals and signings...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:27 pm EST

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I mean, Gorton even said he was going to retool the team, not the farm system...and in reality, the only guys in this draft who will/might be going to the NHL were the guys in the top 10...and none of those picks were in play from what I understand...not at least without blasting a big hole into the Ranger lineup...so Hospo's probably right...they're probably gonna go after players basically ready to hit the NHL or already there.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:27 pm EST

We are not re-building, we are re-tooling. Which means players more than picks/prospects. Also, at midnight tonight we can start talking to UFA's. Maybe we want to gauge their interest before we pull the trigger on certain trades. The only thing we know for sure is that no one knows what's going on with the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:21 pm EST

Hospo read my post 'not that I expect anything to happen'...but I am seriously worried that we will only see a couple of crap trades like last year. I will seriously be pissed off if we have more cap casualties that get minimal return because a guy like Nash or Girardi is still on the team. Work some Fuggin magic Gorton! IMO Stamkos is a pipe dream, and even if we signed him, with the Rangers track record he would probably have a career ending blood clot after 15 games. He will also never be worth the cap hit over the 7 years. We will be lamenting the signing half way through just like we are with Nash right now. Sorry but I am just an irritated Rangers fan these days.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:17 pm EST

At this point, there's not a lot of reason to trade into the first round unless the deal is too good to be true. Only guy I'd want is Alex DiBRINCAT:

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:14 pm EST

Sorry nick, don't agree that guys like Brass, Step, Staal, Nash and Girardi (OK, maybe Girardi) are burnt or warmed over Hot Pockets.....In time..they will be dealt if Gorton want...BTW, where's Jim Gafigan when you need him..?

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:11 pm EST

HOSPO: add to that GMs tend to be more willing to give up FUTURE picks than picks they have a players name attached to at the draft. They could STILL get a 1st plus for Stepan+ (say Hayes or McIlrath) and have the first be next years. People get WAY to overly focused on the short term during draft weekend.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:09 pm EST

I'm not gonna rip Gorton too hard because (a) I know zero about GM-ing and (b) you can't acquire grass-fed beef by offering the kind of freezer-burned hot pockets on this roster.

Nick


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:05 pm EST

NYStranger - Did you really expect the Rangers to be trading into the first round? Not me....I expect that to deal for players/youngsters already on rosters...I think, after the 1st round focus, we'll see a deal or two overnighti or during the draft tomorrow like the Hags and Talbot trades of last year...well, hopefully not as bad as those two stinkers

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:03 pm EST

Thats tough seeing Yandle there.

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:02 pm EST

I've been quiet about Gorton and given him the benefit of the doubt...but jeeze...locked out of the top 20...snoozed as the Isles grabbed Keifer BELLOWS...Toronto, Carolina and Buffalo will be much improved teams next season. Detroit just made a PP move for STAMKOS...and nothing from the Rangers...not sure what this business about a retool is, but it's looking more and more like a bunch of hot air.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:59 pm EST

Soooo....why do the NYR even show up to these 1st round nights? I think I just saw Sather drooling on himself. Their asses must hurt by the end of the night. Picking up any pointers Gorther? Sheesh. Not that I really expect anything to happen, but with all that talk about most of the team being possibly being on the block, blah, blah, blah, I am really getting irritated.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:56 pm EST

This GAUTHIER kid sounds like Kreider..:)

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:55 pm EST

E. Or mismanagement of the Rangers...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:51 pm EST

DALLAS STARS JUNE 24, 2016 3:35 PM Stars sign Jordie Benn, now time for brother Jamie Benn to get deal done................. Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nhl/dallas-stars/article85829352.html#storylink=cpy

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:51 pm EST

Gorther....*sigh*

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:48 pm EST

NN. Scroll back further....

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:40 pm EST

It's worthy to note that the picks used in the yotes Wings trade were from the NYR. Kinda funny how suddenly Detroit gets our pick AND a good chance at Stamkos. Ah, so spins the irony of the NYR.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:28 pm EST

By the way - have you guys been on twitter? Beware the fakes - there is a special kind of ass hole pretending to be LeBraun.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:25 pm EST

Wild - I think you meant that for Higgy. I never believed the Rangers were making a trade - the 1st for Stepan was from someone elses post.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:23 pm EST

E: agree totally, Holland with a great move...... Here's hoping Stamkos wants nothing to do with living in Detroit.

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:22 pm EST

DREW: you assume the first rounder was ever talked about. Hell I would rather any picks they get are for next years draft anyway. Load up...than maybe move up next year. Would rather have 2 firsts, 2 or more seconds, and 2 or more 3rds next year than 1 each this year and next. They still have plenty of time to get a good deal for any players they want to move.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:19 pm EST

At least we got a mention....all the bad deals we made are paying dividends for the clubs that fleeced us.

Shaggy


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:16 pm EST

Now that's a GM! And how you can get rid of contracts without being hurt....we could only hope....and not horrendous on AZ's part either

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:15 pm EST

Bridge MF notice this is the first year I didn't post at all on draft day till tonight sorry I was travelling but I have a life outside of this board and hockey and don't have endless hours to.come up with dumbass trade proposals and then wonder why they didn't happen like your ideas were reality.

York18


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:14 pm EST

Holland is an f-in genius.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:05 pm EST

well, theres still a lot of time left, but we should've seen this coming, once they traded Yandle's rights and not even talk contract whatsoever. For what we gave up, they had to have intentions on resigning him.

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:05 pm EST

DREW - don't know about that, thos kid still needs another two years at least bfore the NHL

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:03 pm EST

I have a novel idea,,,maybe trade the likes of Stepan plus to Minnesota for Dumba or Brodin..maybe Coyle? :)

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:03 pm EST

Minnesota picking likely means Stepan will be back.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:02 pm EST

Serous quetion..Few Czechs/Slovaks or Russians drafted..Are Gms afraid of them playing overseas...or are they just ot as good as the Can-Ams any mire?

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:00 pm EST

RF4L: I scrolled back and saw your Nashville proposal; Nashville is going to have to pay Johansen after next season and yes their will be players coming off their cap; but they are usually not a CAP TEAM (think they have a internal budget like Anaheim has), so maybe Stepan's cap hit is too much for them.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:59 pm EST

Some smart UFAs will also be very helpful

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:59 pm EST

Hospo - I agree with you. Higgy I agree on the coach but he's coming back. And while I wish we could parlay some of our players into future prospects, I think you said it. We are going into next season with this squad. I don't like it but this is the consequences for trying to win the last 3-4 seasons.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:59 pm EST

Trade up for Chychrun!

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:56 pm EST

DREW - Rangers have players with value that they can and want to trade but teams also know they are in a bind...Gorton just has to be very careful, dilligent and have some damn good evaluations of other team's players and prospect...They will get the deals done if thwey want..Just might atke some time

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:56 pm EST

Ok, so what? Ur gonna go into next season with the same exact team? A few different 4th liners? Give whoever u can away, so u can bring in new blood like Brouwer or Boedkker. I would have no problem with the same team if we had a coaching change.....Too late now

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:54 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 24, 2016 8:09 PM Rangers are on the clock. They pick in about 16-18 hours. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/24/nhl-entry-draft-its-go-time/#sthash.KlMZ2Nf6.2XsS01aT.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:51 pm EST

Higgy - I lost you. Do you honestly think he didn't try? Each conversation between GMs are separate. Zipay wrote earlier in the week, the Rangers are in a bind and no one is going to do them any favors. "Give half this team away"? That doesn't apply as you are giving away players who come with cap hits. I am sure if Gorton wanted he could get 3rd - 7th rounders for Stepan, Nash, etc.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:49 pm EST

The Rangers pick next...Oh wait, that picture of the board yesterday was B.S. just like the rest of the rumors surrounding NYR.

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:48 pm EST

York maybe fishboy will get a moofer done ....will be better than what he's done as the nyr gm so far...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:46 pm EST

Sure, and how much is that bridge for sale?

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:40 pm EST

Stevie wasn't saying it to be a dick but to bring reality to his posts when he isn't off I. Fantasy he posts good things

York18


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:39 pm EST

He stated he's not gonna just give his players away. I would give more than half of this team away.

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:39 pm EST

MF I don't do it any more tooany assholes ruined it for everyone but this year I was on the road for most of today not doing texting while driving to talk to people and as I said I won't be giving any more inside info becsuse when it is given i get too much bullshit from certain posters so that's that.

York18


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:36 pm EST

Higgy - which conversation were you privy to where Gorton denied a proposal for Nash? Nobody wants our players bad enough to give anything of value.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:32 pm EST

JD needs to mix in a salad now and then. Yikes.

Bob


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:32 pm EST

Typical Rangers. Elliott only fetched a 2nd rounder. 31 yrs old, makes 2.5 mil, and was 23-8-6. I think Gorton is expecting way too much for Nash....

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:28 pm EST

Hey York, what happened to all your inside connection/s whispers this year?

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:27 pm EST

Moof when and if one of your trades happen, the nyr will win the Cup!

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:25 pm EST

Moof at least you're consistent ... Congrats ...100%... Lol. ...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:23 pm EST

NN: Scroll back the past few weeks. Lots of trade proposals. Gorther, I suspect, is trying to peddle players with stupid contracts and for whatever reason, can't find takers. Chickens roosting big time...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:22 pm EST

Mikhail Sergachev. ISS Scouting Service: Top pair D who can chip in on PK. Style compares to Ryan McDonagh.................We can always re-sign Dom Moore and trade him to MTL.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:22 pm EST

MF it's so easy to say trade with this team or that team but the other team needs to be interested which is why 100% of all your trade ideas never happen

York18


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:21 pm EST

E oh the draft from the window that's open

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:19 pm EST

NN especially if the Rangers would play him out of position. Put him on a line with Brass and Zucc...who would shoot the puck?

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:19 pm EST

DoubleN - I must have been Half asleep then...I trust your summary better..but he does need to put alot of meat and muscle on him like Kevin Hayes..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:16 pm EST

MF: Besides being Jeff Brown's son..big playmaking centerman and from what I just read, he will pass up a shot...that has NY Ranger written all over him :)

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:16 pm EST

Come on Stevie... You don't bite on those things.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:14 pm EST

MF - Not an expert but I watched a spot on hum..Tall, lanky kid that can score...Son of ex-NHLER and Blue/Canuck Jeff Brown

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:13 pm EST

RF4L: Please tell me what trades you wanted to be made; wasn't the following teams going to make these trades....EDM trading #4; Columbus trading #3; Buffalo was trading #8 to ANA for Fowler..so what happened to all those trades . Last I knew it took two to tango. Just maybe, the Ranger players don't have the trade value that you think they do.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:12 pm EST

E what draft party ... ? ... Draft beer ...

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:12 pm EST

Buffalo is another team that will be good...very good... In short order. NYLANDER is an incredible pick where they got him.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:11 pm EST

Any of you guys that follow the kids working their way up the ranks know much about LOGAN BROWN ????

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:11 pm EST

Teams still avoiding Russians? Or are they just not as good (generaly)?

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:09 pm EST

Trevling acquires ELLIOT for the Flames. Another moron.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:08 pm EST

Are any of you at the NYR draft party?

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:07 pm EST

I think Gorton mistakenly took some ZzzQuil instead of a Red Bull

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:07 pm EST

Gorther = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No wonder there was no media scrum - there's nothing to say.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:07 pm EST

yeah, him and Tkachuck definitely blimped out..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:06 pm EST

mf - I know. Benning, the Canucks GM, is a stinking moron. Almost as much as that boob from Columbus. KELLER was an incredible pick. The Coyotes are gonna be sick in very short order. All they need is a goaltender.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:05 pm EST

Resign jd he can fill the whole net

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:05 pm EST

DOUBLEN _ Ain't that the truth..I was wondering if he was an intern or somebidy's son!

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:02 pm EST

I knew the Arizona GM is young, but can he even drink yet :)

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:01 pm EST

The Wild have informed Vanek he will be bought out,..........http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2016/06/24/report-minnesota-informs-former-sabres-sniper-vanek-will-bought/

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:55 pm EST

puckyou - Don't see that...SHAW is a battler, irritant energizer with some talent....Habs fans will love hgim

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:55 pm EST

Let's see how effective Shaw is in Montreal when there's minimal offensive talent to play with...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:54 pm EST

It's OK Vic, just wait until Shaw turns 35. I am sure there is a contract waiting for him in NY.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:54 pm EST

Calgary wan'ts a goalie..either Bishop or Elliot.

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:53 pm EST

GORTON - Keep ignoring potential roster breaking trades for draft picks...smart trades to make the team better the next two years..and not three-5 years downn the line (i.e., 2nd-4th round picks).

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:53 pm EST

SHAW reminds me too much of clarkson- scrappy around net will fizzle out once he makes money

puckyou


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:52 pm EST

Calgary next up, do they want Lazy Hazy to join Johnny Hockey??? One can only hope & dream......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:51 pm EST

Tkachuk dropping....Calgary...will they take him?

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:51 pm EST

DREW - Way too eary to flame any GM.There's months.....Last years deals were made on the 2nd day, right? I'll wait til one second after a trade before slamming..:)

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:51 pm EST

Re: Gorton - I didn't expect him to get into the top five. Even the top 10 is a stretch. But beyond that? He better start moving.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:50 pm EST

TD: Vancouver just took a D man.....

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:50 pm EST

Benning is the laughing stock of the NHL right now...what a goddamn fool!!!

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:50 pm EST

LOGAN BROWN......BIRTHPLACERaleigh, NC, USA...... Brown is a huge center who excels at both ends of the ice. He can be dominant in the offensive zone but takes care of his own end as well. His large frame is key to his success as he uses his body to shield his puck and his reach to keep it off other players sticks. He is not overly physical for a player his size, but will finish every check and battle down low very effectively. He has a good shot with a pro like release as well as good creativity and maturity when passing the puck. (Tyler Parchem, EP 2016) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=248391#sthash.r6wIdLb0.dpuf

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:48 pm EST

It takes another GM to trade and the deals were not there.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:47 pm EST

Predictable that people will flame gorther

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:47 pm EST

Edmonton just got a windfall. That Finnish GM in Columbust must be dumb as a box of rocks and twice as stupid. Tkachuk is seconds away from being a Canuck.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:47 pm EST

Hospo: 2- 2nds is expensive for Shaw. We could give them 2-2nds. In the 2019 and 2020 draft.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:46 pm EST

Just saw the SHAW deal. Damn!!!! I really wanted to see him end up with the Rangers

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:44 pm EST

Fishboy sitting on his tail?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:44 pm EST

Gorther's hands must be numb - sitting on them way too long.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:43 pm EST

Gorton: trade....... MATTHEW TKACHUK ............ A multi-dimensional energy winger who plays a pro-style, adaptive game. Well-versed as a guy who can consistently put up points, but also as an agitator who plays with a little bit of bite and nastiness. Skates with excellent balance and speed, outclassing many in his age range. No lack of offensive instincts and knows how to score in many different ways. Confidence in his abilities and playing to the extent of his capabilities strengthens his work ethic and creativity. All-in-all, a unique and effective forward who defines his own limits and seeks to exceed them, along with all on-ice expectations. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=233030#sthash.L0PKr2dN.dpuf

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:42 pm EST

Good, big centers for both CBJ and EDM..Will be tough down the middle..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:41 pm EST

Just because it needs to be said...F$@k the Penguins!!! ------------------Lets Go Rangers!!!!!

NYStranger


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:40 pm EST

Goods Updated 7:25 PM June 24, 2016 -Montreal trades forward Lars Eller to Washington for second round picks in 2017 and 2018.

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:40 pm EST

Damn...Shaw traded to the EAST and not the Rangers!..Woud have overpayed for him..Exactly what the Rangers need...At least in my opinion....Maybe Gorton and AV just want prancers? We'll see..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:39 pm EST

Gorton, nows the chance: JESSE PULJUJÄRVI

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:37 pm EST

F------- Edmonton. Hey Gorton, trade up

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:36 pm EST

CBJ goes for the big guy Dubois

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:32 pm EST

Gallagher and Shaw... Eeeek!!!

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:29 pm EST

LAINE #2

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:28 pm EST

Yup, Shaw to Montreal.......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:26 pm EST

SHAW to Montreal for two second rounders hurts...I would have done that in a heartbeat. Great move by Les Habs. Good move for the Hawks too, though they lost a hell of a player.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:13 pm EST

Lou Korac 48m Lou Korac‏ @lkorac10 Source: #stlblues and #oilers in talks about Shattenkirk. Oilers offering Nugent-Hopkins; Blues asking price: Taylor Hall or Jordan Eberle

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:11 pm EST

Sonny got whacked?

andrei


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:10 pm EST

Bob McKenzie‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie There is talk on the draft floor, as yet unconfirmed, that CBJ prospect Sonny Milano has been traded

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:58 pm EST

So Yandle had no delusions. He knew what time it was. Just business.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:57 pm EST

@Russostrib #mnwild definitely in on RNH, but league executive says "oilers are in the middle of everything"

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:56 pm EST

I would consider it a victory if they could get one of Staal or AV's contract out. And frankly I understand you may not get out from under but I do think if you have to keep one for now you want Staal.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:56 pm EST

@stevezipay Keith Yandle, here in Buffalo, says Rangers never made him a contract offer, saying "we both kind of knew where they were on money."

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:50 pm EST

saton lives on....are they holding hands ?

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:48 pm EST

@stevezipay Slats, stogie in hand, and Gorton have been schmoozing with several team execs for past 30 minutes https://twitter.com/stapenewsday/status/746471235345911809 …

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:46 pm EST

Hospo, at the right price you'd be a shattenkirk loving jersey wearing fan....... :-)

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:45 pm EST

This Yandle signing & Shattenkirk rumor could work in our favor regarding the values of Staal & Girardi..... I have a feeling we're going to be fine, it's probably gas.............

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:45 pm EST

VIC - No way in hell, RNH is even softer and more of a one way selfish floater,,Want nothing to do with him....RF4L - Totally agree on Shattenkirk

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:43 pm EST

NJD at central registry according to twitter

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:39 pm EST

So when will the first ball drop?? Something's gonna give soon and that's for sure.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:39 pm EST

RF4L: OK for a bit there I was wondering if you were getting him confused with another player or something.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:38 pm EST

Wild/TD: Mmm....looks like I'm mistaken on Halverson. He played 42 games, less than the previous season but struggled early due to an ankle injury. Found this article on him: http://www.saultstar.com/2016/03/29/halverson-key-to-early-success Has he been signed?

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:36 pm EST

he played nearly 2 times the games as the other guy...who had worse numbers....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:30 pm EST

RF4L: Who bumped him? He played in the post season....and played 42 games during the season...

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:29 pm EST

Price for Shattenkirk seems WAY to high. They are asking for Hall or Eberly for him form the oilers.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:28 pm EST

Am I the only one underwhelmed with Tkachuk? I've only seen a limited sample size, but this kid looks a little over valued to me. What do I know, (been wrong a lot), just a feeling' I have.

hipcheck


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:27 pm EST

No no NO to Shittenkirk!!!

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:27 pm EST

TD: IMO, the Russian kid is the best prospect and Halverson has dropped behind significantly - it's not a good thing in his final year of junior, he got bumped by a younger goalie.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:27 pm EST

Let me guess what Shattenkirk's discount would be ..$6.5-$6.8 :)

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:25 pm EST

No kidding. I love that Tkachuk kid. Too bad he won't be a Ranger. Probably too gritty and physical anyway. The Rangers would probably take some prancing pansy at #4 instead. Keep the coach happy. Right HOSPO?

Bob


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:24 pm EST

@PLeonardNYDN. And this: Kevin Shattenkirk's price tag on an extension is in the $7 million-per range but he would take a discount to join the Rangers #NYR

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:22 pm EST

What would it take to get that #4 pick? That Tkachuk is gonna be good.

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:20 pm EST

HOSPO: Would you swap RNH with BRASSARD? I sure would.

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:20 pm EST

seems like a few deals may be close....lots of GMs at others tables and the like

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:14 pm EST

"6/24/16 | 5:56PM: The Rangers are trying to move Dan Girardi and/or Marc Staal according to Pat Leonard. (Daily News) It is not believed that the Rangers have asked either player to waive their no-move clause in order to facilitate a trade. (Daily News) Elliotte Friedman wrote today that there was a rumor this week indicating that the Rangers almost traded Girardi to Vancouver before the Canucks acquired Erik Gudbrandson. (Sportsnet) Adam Rotter: Everyone is looking for defensemen and as crazy as it may seem, the Rangers probably have gotten a call or two on both Staal and Girardi. Still, this seems a bit more idealistic than it may be practical. To make a deal like this work who knows what the Rangers would have to eat in terms of salary retention, add to sweeten a deal or what contract they would have to take back. Still, if the Rangers found a way to more either, Girardi more than Staal, the weekend would probably be considered a victory."

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:11 pm EST

here comes Vanek.....?.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:08 pm EST

WILD - Just hope ot's not RNH to the Rangers! That would suck pucks...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:08 pm EST

Sorry Wild - saw you posted

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:08 pm EST

HIGGY: Because YANDLE isn't worth anywhere near what he was going to get paid. If you ask me if I'd rather have STAAL or YANDLE I'd take STAAL. GIRARDI is a different story.

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:07 pm EST

McKenzie just said that Edmonton is huddled around thier table.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:03 pm EST

Perhaps RNH.....lets hope so, that will likely open up other trades as players come off the available list.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:02 pm EST

Oilers may have a deal in place.....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 5:01 pm EST

Higgy: They are offering them for trade. It doesn't mean they will wave their NMC or that they will have a partner to swing a deal with. Why hang onto a guys rights just to lose them for nothing.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:56 pm EST

Higgy easy with the logic.....this is a very emotional time for fishboy.....not easy to sweat under water.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:52 pm EST

This has to be B.S. Why wouldn't u hold onto Yandle's rights if u think u could move one or both Staal and Girardi + possibly Nash??

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:51 pm EST

be better if he moves mr wipple weeknow to Siberia....along with whatever he gets done or overdone....including capt mac doner.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:51 pm EST

stevielegs: I would bet (as with it seems most rumors surrounding the Rangers) that the info comes out of other camps...not the Rangers. Heck they are not even doing their normal "official" talking with the media types. They have battened down the hatches.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:48 pm EST

fishboy now showing his fins ? wants to move 2 d men that have to approve it....guess the cats are out of the bag.....what happened to loose lips sink ships ?.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:41 pm EST

E: But at the same time, the other teams did not try to avoid Yandle. I mean their top offensive guys never tried to stay away from him. Thats what the point I make is. Sure you love his ability with the puck and on the PP but if he is the reason the other team gets more points...what is the point?

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:38 pm EST

TD: I was apoplectic when the deal went down...:-). Hated the trade then. Hated the trade every day since. I didn't dislike YANDLE as a player but thought he was way overrated and a net negative overall. I never understood SATHER's fascination with YANDLE. They gave away so much to get a player who contributed so little. In the end I'm glad he is gone because he certainly wasn't worth half of what Florida is paying him. I'd rather see BODIE play for the Rangers then YANDLE. And maybe we just will......

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:38 pm EST

TD: to be honest I think people will miss Yandle more then they think. He is leaving a big hole behind. The guy sees things that no other New York Rangers blue line has since Leetch.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:36 pm EST

seems the flames and the CBus are in deep deep talks.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:36 pm EST

couple people posting that Shattenkirk is headed east, with Bos and Tor leading the way, but the Rangers are in the mix as well.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:32 pm EST

td: I have said it a few times. His points are great, but at the same time I would rather have a DEFENSEMEN who had 10 less points but was able to keep the other teams 20 points less than Yandle could do. I have never understood the obsession with points from defenders. You want that, but you want that from a guy who can also do a good job stopping the other team.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:32 pm EST

rangerlou - depending on what happens with STAMKOS...and of course, the Rangers' D...I could certainly see them kicking the tires on OKPOSO. I know popular opinion here is that he'll get WAAAY more money that he's worth...but he's exactly the type of winger this team could really use. Hard nosed, strong as an ox, a righty and above all, FAST...MARTIN on the other hand...I get why people want him, but his contract is going to make the one we gave Tanner GLASS look like a bargain.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:29 pm EST

E/WIOSA - Guess I just find it a little bullshit that he's been with Florida for all of five days and has come to the assessment that 'it's a great group of guys' et cetera. I know every professional athlete says 'yeah, I want to play here...love this city...love this team..blah blah blah...' And that it's part of the script. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Truth be told, I'm very happy YANDLE is gone. Addition by subtraction. Wasn't a huge fan of him before he came to New York and though I wasn't apoplectic about the deal, I wasn't fond of it either...but figured the guy would grow on me...No such chance. I know everyone has their boo birds here...and I do too...but never before has a guy with so much natural talent made me so goddamn angry. The guy is just a waste. The saddest part is that fans look at his stats and think he's some super defenseman...I mean, I was hearing people on one site compare him to KARLSSON and SUBBAN...but I digress. Enjoy Kitties. Enjoy all those giveaways and strange passes to nowhere when there's a clear shot at the net. Enjoy all seven years of it.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:23 pm EST

posted approximately 5:18 PM EST on Twitter: Pat LeonardVerified account ‏@PLeonardNYDN 5m5 minutes ago #NYR GM Jeff Gorton is trying 2 move Girardi and/or M.Staal as #NHL Draft nears, per source. Each would have to waive no-move clauses tho

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:21 pm EST

RF4L - Ahh..I wouldn't be so sure about that. HALVERSON may not be progressing as hoped, but the Russian kid they have --SHESTERKIN --he's lights out. HUSKA too, has had his profile improve drastically since he was drafted. And we're not even including SKAPSKI...who had a setback last year, but who I suspect will give RAANTA a real run for his money for the backup position in 2017. Goaltending is one place the Rangers are actually pretty deep at this point. Granted, no one is in the league of Hank...but I don't suspect they'll have a void when he finally retires/moves on.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:21 pm EST

td: I agree its odd to have a trade on top of a trade...however since Yandle was rights and this trade rush around the draft is a new phenomenon it wouldn't shock me.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:20 pm EST

Pat Leonard reports the Rangers are trying to move Giradi or Staal leading up to the draft. Wonder if they would move both if they had to option. Not that it WILL happen, the NMC's are there and all, but this is the 3rd such report I have heard from different places.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:18 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/24/long-island-native-closes-in-on-dream-of-playing-in-nhl/

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:18 pm EST

I actually wanted the Rangers to draft BJUGSTAD in 2010. He'd be an incredible addition for the cost of HAYES. But that said, the Rangers just dealt with FLA for YANDLE. I can't remember a time when pair of teams did one deal at the top of the week and then another five days later. I also can't see them dealing a center really, unless it's for another center...which I guess Hayes is technically...but one-for-one, they'd be getting the lesser of the two.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:17 pm EST

Bob: I think the moves last year were both of them working towards stuff. Don't forget, Sather is who was doing the one on one talking leading up to the Hags trade. He at least had final say and was involved in negotiations at some point on the deals. Something we all must remember, it takes two teams, you can say all you want that the Rangers need to do things and should have done this or that, or the other, but other teams could be the issue, sometimes they just make a move that makes no sense compared to what they could have done with the Rangers, and we blame the Rangers, but the other team may have liked the other deal better for whatever reason.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:11 pm EST

Well I am mostly wrong whenever I make predictions......so using that dopey logic, I am predicting that the Rangers do nothing today, and maybe a couple minor moves tomorrow. I am betting that they are shooting too high with the guys they have to move to do anything substantial. Plus, I am unsure about how much say Sather still holds. Were last year's moves Sather's or Gorton's? if they were Gorton's, we are hosed.

Bob


Fri Jun 24 2016 4:01 pm EST

RF4L: He played for Sault. Ste. Marie in 2015-16....and he was 20-17-4 and had a 3.00 goals against and .907 save percentage in 43 games and was in net for the first round 7 game upset over Sarnia.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 3:41 pm EST

Wild: The problem is the Rangers are shallow there, too. Halverson regressed last year to the point where he lost his starters job with Niagara. That said, it's reasonable I think to believe the Panthers might be interested in a goalie - after Luongo they are thinner than the Rangers there I think.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 3:35 pm EST

RF4L: I wonder if one of the young goalies being added in would get it done. Its not like Hayes has zero value, and they could even flip him. I am not sure how highly they see their goalie prospects....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 3:20 pm EST

Suspect it'll take more than Kevin Hayes to land Bjustad. And the Panthers jettisoned Kevin's brother last summer - are they interested in another Hayes?

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 3:20 pm EST

WILD - Doubtful..Not sure of FLA's needs but lazy Hayes's value is just too low after last year for a deal like that...Probably best used in a package..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 3:16 pm EST

Hospo: I say the same thing....question is....would they go for it?

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 3:14 pm EST

WILD - BJUGSTAD is defientely somebody that could help/change our center position..Big body, some phyiscicality, can skate, good 2-way and 50% FO, ~ 20 goal scorer...two years ago really looked like he was trending up but had some issues last year..Good target..and hayes in an instant. for me

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:52 pm EST

Read someplace that Nick Bjugstad was a possibility to be moved. Some here don't like Hayes, would Florida want Hayes for Bjugstad, Would change up the center position of the Rangers in a good way. Just spitballing....no rumors of any sort like that, but not much is going on....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:47 pm EST

Who said Yandle hates NY? His rights were traded by a team who cant afford him. Not his fault we mismanage our contracts and cap. Good for him, Ill "hate" on him when he's on the ice against us. Till and after then...good luck to him.

WIOSA


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:46 pm EST

It would be nice to get Okposo & Martin on our side!!!

rangerlou


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:46 pm EST

E:Yeah, perhaps if it was apples to apples he stays. But that isn't possible with taxes, his brother being a scout for the Panthers, and we don't know what he thinks of the weather down there, he might be a big beach guy. Granted he wasn't going to say anything other than "This is great, I love this team!!" like every UFA signing does.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:43 pm EST

Well, what is Yandle supposed to say??? I really wanted to stay in NY but... I think he was sincere in wanting to stay and I think apples to apples he would've stayed. But, this is his big payday and he has security long term. The rest is just BS.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:42 pm EST

I kind of expected more movement early in the day today. The only thing going on is some FA signings by teams. Its almost like the NHL told teams they would not process a trade until the draft. the just may have done that.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:36 pm EST

Keith "I love it here in New York" YANDLE: “When they traded for my rights here and I learned how committed they are to winning and how committed they are to getting better and you learn more about their group. Playing against them you know how good they are,” Yandle said on a Friday conference call with reporters. “I put myself in a good situation where you can win and have fun doing it. Seems like a great group of guys here and it’s going to be a lot of fun.” Translation: 'Holy $HIT can you believe they gave me this contract?!? Whooo--HOOO!!! Who CARES about this team...I can sit pretty in Florida for the next decade waxing my man-kini lines!! Suck it New York!'

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:32 pm EST

TDCHI - OTOH, it's often the ownership/management that might be telling the player that he is no longer wanted...not the teamates and friends he gives every ounce of blood for...And that why they they often say FU when they get asked by the pencil necked geeks...And then there's the component of their family often loving their life where they live and wanting nothing to do with a movre...Again, a big FU to mangemejnt and I can't blame them....This wolrd is filled with millions that stay at a job becasue it's the best place for their familyl..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 2:10 pm EST

tdchi - nice, i saw them monday in camden. good times

Gibbo


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:31 pm EST

York/mf - Hockey players are a proud folk in general. Most of them love the sport just as much as they love the paycheck. And part of that sport is being part of a team. You tell a guy he's no longer wanted on a team, and I suspect most guys wouldn't want to stick around. Certainly, an NMC puts the player in the driver's seat. And if a guy like Girardi doesn't feel like going to Edmonton or some other far-flung outpost of civilization, your SOL...but again...it's not like these guys are machines. NMC is limiting no doubt. But if the Rangers really want to get rid of Girardi...they'll find a taker.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:27 pm EST

DREW - I'll be hionest, Staal as a 2nd Pair D-man and Girardi as a 3rd pair D-man could work out really well and I can see their [play improving....It's just not very cost efficient and it screws somebody like MCILRATH.....Pick up one Offensive D-man--Just say Shattenkirk for giggles....and your top 7 is set with MCD, Klein, Shat, Staal, Skeji, Girardi/Mcilrath,,

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:24 pm EST

mf - Welll, I say three times what I paid for the ticket, but might be upward of five or six. Not sure how much I started out with and left with about $5 in crumpled bills...but pretty sure I saw the whole show ;)

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:23 pm EST

Nick: U need to settle down. Where would this franchise be w/o Lundqvist. Honestly, we would probably have had the #1 pick year after year, like the Oilers, except we would've picked the player projected to go fifth instead of #1, bc nobody in this organization is really good enough to run a team. And the way Lundqvist trains, he can definitely play as long as Broudeur did. He can't do it all on his own.

Higgy21


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:20 pm EST

Hospo - lol - not screwed but we might have to do the unthinkable and play Staal and Girardi next year as regulars,

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:17 pm EST

NN - SUBBAN for HALL? Commissioner approved!!

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:16 pm EST

NICK - Totally agree on The KING...Not only is his contract an albatross..it also kinda cements the philosophy that the GM/Rangers must take...You almost always have to go for it over the next year or two years with a goalie that has a 9 Mill contract....And why I see little change in strategy..What we have to hope for is better evaluation of professional and amateur talent by Gorton which could lead to better picks, trades and FA signings.....Does he have it in him? I don't know...last year wasn't a good sign.....Shit, DREW, maybe we are screwed!!! :)

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 1:06 pm EST

MF no it's the treat of doing it that will get them to move the nmc that's what we want correct. No player will spend more than a year rotting in their prime.

York18


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:42 pm EST

figuratively speaking The King has no clothes , and non of the ny hockey media is cuorageuos enough to speak the truth. . I don't expect any major moves to come out of these meetings except fro a possible salary dump. the first step in improving your team is to acknowledge that s its defective and needs change. unfortunately sather /gorton/dolan think were contenders and will likely contuew to squander future picks and talent for that elusive cup run. [just like the Yankees under cashman and the steinbrenners

docjay


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:38 pm EST

E: There are 3 reasons Subban might be moved: 1) The Canadiens cannot score - they are desperate for front end forwards bigtime. 2) Subban continues to rub certain folks with Montreal management the wrong way, both on and off the ice - he's definitely a unique character who can be a challenge to keep in line (there's a reason he keeps being left off Canada national teams, including the team put together for this fall's world cup or whatever they are calling it). 3) His cap hit is enormous. I don't believe he's being actively shopped but at the same time, he's not an untouchable. I am convinced if the right deal is presented, Subban will be moved. BTW, he's got a NMC thing kicking in July 1, so if it's gonna happen with relative ease, it's now....

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:31 pm EST

The King? The KING? What 'King'? This guy is a platinum albatross. My God -- look at the Cup winning goalies in the past 6-8-10 years (none of them named 'The King.') Matt Murray? Antti Niemi? Crawford? Ward? Fleury? This guy walks on water for some reason and my God -- seven more years at age 34?

Nick


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:30 pm EST

If Montreal moves PK, watch them eat salary just like Toronto did with Kesler.... jmon

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:28 pm EST

E: my guess is that Montreal has buyer's remorse and they want out of the commitment of dollars they threw at PK. To take it a step further, they need some of those dollars spread more evenly throughout the line-up as do most franchises.....

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:25 pm EST

RF4L: Let's say Chiarelli can make the cap work and doesn't care about the NMC, by eventually trading one of Hall/Eberele/RNH, then you take Subban over the Ranger combo. That kind of trade would only happen in the RFC league if TD allowed it :)

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:23 pm EST

I don't really understand what drives the Subban rumors but I just don't see it happening. Why? Why get rid of the face of the franchise, one of the most dynamic forces in the league etc... I just don't get it.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:17 pm EST

Hospo - I know you've advised to be patient but I think we are screwed. I don't think we are looking at a drought like 98-04, but I think we rolled the dice, had 4 years in a row where we were playing hockey on Memorial Day Weekend. (2nd rd exit to Boston in a late schedule) We've done it with 2 different coaches and a turnover in roster. I think Staal and Girardi are here as is Henrik. It looks like we'll just have to air out the stink and embrace these 2 for the next 2 seasons. We'll see what the NHL looks like. I'll still watch and root but I am not expecting the Rangers to be this team to make some splash at the draft or free agency for the time being.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:16 pm EST

York: you're going to press box a player for 2,3,5 years and eat his cap hit?

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:12 pm EST

You want to trade a guy with a nmc easy tell him to waive it or send the duration of his contract in the press box and what's the he goimg rate for an ufa with 3 years of press box. MF you're in dream mode but that's nothing new.

York18


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:11 pm EST

The YANDLE deal keeps getting better. Enjoy Kitties!: Andy Strickland @andystrickland Yandle gets full no-move for the length of the contract but there is a limited no-trade (12 teams) in 22-23 #flapanthers #NHL

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 12:09 pm EST

NN. It's not that straight forward. Subban will cost more and comes with a cap hit more than double that of McD. That's why my musings include Girardi. For the $$ of Subban the Oil can get both Rangers. If G's game comes back yku might have your top pairing. Nothing to sneeze at IMO...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:59 am EST

Rhet: perhaps it is that simple black & white.....

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:55 am EST

NN: You're in charge of the purse strings: Slewban $9million a full NMC thru 2022, McDonagh $4.7mill, no NMC for the remaining 3 yrs of his contract....... You've got $73mill to play with..... What say's your yiddishe cup?

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:43 am EST

Hospo: Ashpetta, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceXP0b8iUI

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:41 am EST

MF: Your Edmonton, do you take McDonagh or Subban and plus for that 4th overall pick??

DOUBLEN


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:41 am EST

MF.... I'm OTD to work, but really quick.... Off the top of my head, The NHL doesn't allow for renegotiation of contracts and what I believe you are talking about would be considered that. What I posted the other day is pretty black and white. Once a player waives his clause, he either demands the new team honor that clause and add it as an addendum or he goes without it. There is no change.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:40 am EST

Adam Rotter: I don't doubt that Jeff Gorton has called every team multiple times and has engaged in discussions that he thinks will help the Rangers improve and avoid another disappointing season. It's this next 7-10 days or so where we will see what Gorton was able to accomplish with all of those discussions and see what he can actually get done."

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:39 am EST

Hospo: that's ok if both Staal & Girardi don't want to move their NMC's, we skin this cat from another angle...... We can still offer McDonagh & his $4.7mill and no NMC to Edmonton for the 4th overall pick.. Remember, this shaves some dollars, and gets us a player that does NOT need to be protected for two years vs the expansion draft rules..... We choose TKACHUK or we look to move him to Win-a-pig for that 2nd pick (hopefully Laine) We can then move Brassard or Stepan for Fowler (then some here can quiet down about how we should have chosen Fowler over McIlrath as we will have them both. That would really suck. See ya McCaptain) ...... We now have $$ for the Stamkos Sweepstakes and an UFA or 2...... Remember, the new cap limit is now $73mill..... that up from $71.4mill

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:37 am EST

MF - I just don't see the things you are throwing out as being realistic..but, that's cool.. agree to disagree...and we will see what happens over the nexct week and then the next few months...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:33 am EST

Hospo, let's make sure we're on the same page: IF you're asking who are we trading to first land that top #4, I'll start with McDonagh & I'd love to add Staal & or Girardi too if it gets us Draisaitl.... I don't see Edmonton parting with Hall, McDavid, or Draisaitl, and Eberle is a long shot.... "BUT if we were to make a deal with Edmonton & get that 4th, I'm on the phone with Win-a-pig and offering that 4th and something for the 2nd pick overall...... LAINE has my target on his back...... did that all make sense?

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:33 am EST

Gorto has an interesting job, he has to retool the team while replenishing the back room. So he needs to get some vets off the roster at the same time acquiring young assets that will be with the team while his picks begin to backfill the farm. I'm not envious but he did retool BOS on the fly quite well. Whether it was educated luck or shrewdness remains to be seen. But I'd say that by the end of this summer you will have seen the most defining part of his career thus far. Tough to get out of but definitely not impossible.

E


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:33 am EST

MF - Why should Girardi or Staal even consider it? This is where they want to play and one down year isn't going to change their minds...They are the type ot want to come back to NY and prove themselves again..IMWO

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:31 am EST

MF - Good for you, bu you are not the 2nd year GM of the Ranger team that collapsed and died last year (not from lack of talent) and with The King leading the way, will not want to take a step back or a back seat to the Islanders..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:28 am EST

I could not care less what the Isles are doing while re modeling our Rangers because they're the Isles. They're just another team we're competing with...... Man I'd love to know if Staal & or Girardi are willing to waive their NMC's......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:26 am EST

Who are you trading for one of the top 4 picks that the other teams would want? Stamkos? not a chance in hell...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:22 am EST

Hospo: IMO we don't need to decimate anything: we trade assets for picks / prospects / and salary dump or realignment..... We fill in with UFA's: Go look at Troy Brouwer & David Backes, David Perron & Louis Eriksson, Steven Stamkos...... there are options galore........ and we will remain competitive: Lazy Hazy GONE! Tanner Glass GONE for us to use that 12th forward spot to experiment with different looks in and out of the lineup (Matt Moulson?) Dom Moore Gone for an up & comer...... Thats cutting the fat off the bone..... And if we were to retain Dom Moore who I like as a 13th part time forward, OK, give it a whirl....... I'm stoked!

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:20 am EST

MF - I just don't see the Rangers or Gorton making that big of a "present" for "future" deal and taking a step back while the Islanders are on the rise...What I see is a remodeling/changing of the roster through trades and FA that focuses on having a strong team in the next few years ....If they fail, they finally have the number 1 next year...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:15 am EST

Hospo: what about #4 with Edmonton? We pull that off, we can add it to try for the #2 spot.... You don't ask, you don't get... You know me by now, no stone left unturned, I don't care if the question seems rediculous, sooner or later I'll get to the value at a point in time......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:13 am EST

Rhet: this brings us to a topic I attempted to touch upon a few days ago and have seen a miniscule amount of print..... The player with the NMC being moved can say to the acquiring team, I'll waive my NMC to come to your team, but I WILL not waive my NMC for you to turn around and trade me elsewhere WITHOUT my approval... AND I believe that NMC protects a player from being sent to the AHL as was somewhat suggested earlier OR suggested that OK, we'll just sit your ass if you don't waive your NMC..... Here's my caveat that I have not seen..... "Can a player with a full NMC throughout his contract, lets look at Marc Staal, 5 yrs remaining with a full NMC; at the trade deadline (pick a team) a team says hey, we're interested in Marc Staal, would you ask him if he'd waive his NMC to join us in our cup run? They ask Staal, he says yes, but you have to honor my full NMC for "3 of the 5 years remaining on my contract and then it becomes an NTC." My point is that I have not seen much in conversation about the players with specialty clauses and their abilities to renegotiate parts & or all of their specialty clauses........ Sorry for the long windedness and I hope this made some sense........

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:07 am EST

MF - I don't see us as having a ghost of a chance of a 1,2,3 or wanting to spend the assets that would decimate the "now"...And, yes, kinda ironic about Sather but it fit's him to a tee..he has little patience with others, unlike Dolan had with him...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:07 am EST

Dmitry Kulikov may be the odd man out on the Florida Panthers' blue line. With Keith Yandle officially locked up on a long-term deal and Aaron Ekblad reportedly nearing one of his own, several teams are reportedly calling to see if Kulikov could be had in a trade.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:04 am EST

TD: your beer $$ to ticket $$ ratio was right in line, I'm proud of you son, damn proud!

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:03 am EST

MF.... That's a Hail Mary pipe dream at best. Either player would want some assurances at not being exposed to the draft if they agree to be traded. Cup contender have at least three Defensemen that need to be protected. Where is there a fit? Also, it's usually guys with expiring contracts or less than 2 seasons left on their deals that get moved at the deadline. Why should that change just because Staal and Girardi are available?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 11:03 am EST

Pretty ironic that Sather would hold anyone's feet to the fire.... Hospo, the 3 youngins all slated to go 1,2,3, can step into today's NHL.... Tkachuk at # 4, and this kid Dubios or Dublanc or whatever at #5 may be able to step into the NHL too.....

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:59 am EST

Gibbo - Saw Dead & Co. Tuesday and let me tell you --incredible. Paid $35 for the tix and probably three times that for beer, but was worth every last penny. Great show. Not a big Mayer fan, but he knocked it out of the park and to the next ZIP code.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:56 am EST

I see why people would want a top ten first round pick but I just can't see it happening.....GORTON is not in that position to deal major assets for somebody that MIGHT help us in 3 YEARS...GORTON's main job is to steady/correct the ship, his job likely depends on it....I don't think he has the lifetime support/he can do wahtever he wants thing that Sather enjoyed under Dolan...My bet is both Dolan and especially Sather will hold his ass to the fire if the team isn't succesfull NOW. (the next two years and not 5 years down the road))..and I think his trades will reflect that,...But, I could be totally wrong..We'll see..

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:48 am EST

Rhet yes: however, a situatiuon could arise where Girardi or Staal say no, we won't waive, and then come the deadline, a team challenging for the cup comes a knocking and say's, hey we're looking for Staal or Girardi to add for our cup run, and at that point in time they (Staal or Girardi) say, heck, I'll waive my NMC for the chance at the cup......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:43 am EST

MF... 1-How often do players with years and dollars like those two get moved at the deadline? Rarely? Hardly ever? 2-Most teams are looking to get their teams situated for the expansion draft before the season starts and it will vastly decrease our number of trading partners come deadline. 3-If we can trade Staal and get Girardi to waive his NMC for the draft, we wouldn't have to protect either player. Girardi would do us a solid by letting us protect another player and he'll still get to stay with the team. It's doubtful LV would have interest in G. Possible, but doubtful.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:43 am EST

In an attempt to sort some of this out: If McDonagh & Girardi or Staal or McDonagh & something (even if we have to eat a bad contract like Yakupov or Pouliot) will get us Draisaitl & their 4th overall, "AND" if The Duckies are interested in Stepan for Fowler, you fill a big hole on the left side defense.... Fowler would need to agree to an extension unless it's in our benefit not to due to the further expansioon shite we're going to encounter ie: not have to protect a guy who will be an UFA at seasons end two years down the road anticipating that the league will add team #32 at THAT POINT IN TIME, (all hypothetical but forward looking) ........ If we can accomplish all that there's money for STamkos and another 1 or 2 FA signings........

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:36 am EST

RF- I see where you're comn from regarding press boxing Girardi all year but it just won't work like that. Inspire of what we think of him, Girardi is pretty well respected in the room and doing so would be a poison pill for the chemistry of the team. Personally He's been on my shit list ever since he put a blanket down and in a man pose had a glass of wine while Gaborik got the crap kicked out of him but apparently he is a 'warrior'. Smh

_Arc


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:26 am EST

SLEGS: if you are referring to the P & L of the league as a result of the new expansion team flopping, I read that BUTTMAN has addressed this subject with a 5 year plan & or through to the end of this CBA which expires on Sept. 15, 2022.... They have & will create a category for jounal entry to account for this to protect & ensure that the resulting numbers they want materialize...... You might say, "they're keeping two sets of books." you might Rabbit, you might.....

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:26 am EST

mf: Because I know Winnipeg will NOT give up the 2nd overall pick. Unless of course you offer them Kreider, Miller, the 4th and Brady Skeji or something insane. Trust me here: I guarantee Winnipeg will be picking 2nd overall tonight, probably around 730PM.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:19 am EST

Theres news out that a Jr. Partner of the Preds is suing the others.... RF: If we can land the #4 overall, I can't believe that you of all people would suggest movig "up" to the #6 or 7 and not down so to speak for the #2 pick LAINE...... Mind boggling coming from vous......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:15 am EST

Rhet: Even if Girardi & or Staal were to agree to waive, we don't have to move them until the trade deadline to get into shape for the expansion draft............. Stevie: IMO a scenario where we unload one of the two NMC's om defense along with trading a guy like McDonagh is a good dilemma, and certainly something we can adjust. Again, jmo..... RF: If we can package Stepan / Hayes / and something (not Kreider I dont want Hospo to have an embolism) and turn it into the 2nd overall pick from Win-a-pig, to hell with Dumba, & Brodin.......

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:14 am EST

Jeff Gorton told Craig Custance that the Rangers are looking at "everything" right now. (ESPN) He said that the Rangers are coming off a "disappointing" season and they are looking at "all kinds of different scenarios of how we can get better. We're going to look at everything." (ESPN) Gorton said that while the Rangers would like to be picking in the first round, it's difficult to trade up and that right now it's "not the end all be all." (ESPN)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 10:07 am EST

Chris Kreider's agent said that he loves New York, wants to stay with the Rangers and is open to different types of options in regards to a new contract. (NY Post) Kreider is an RFA and two-years away from being a UFA. Larry Brooks writes that the Rangers would likely want to sign Kreider to a long-term deal but that a one-year deal could could also be possible. (NY Post) Brooks said that a one-year deal for Kreider would likely be in the $4 million range while a longer-term deal, that would buy out some years of free agency, would probably cost at least $5 million per. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:50 am EST

RF: Has Toronto lent Montreal the Bong....... They want what for SlewBan....... Yeah maybe if they eat some salary.............. "IF" we can pry Draisaitl & the 4th overall for McDonagh, sign me up........ As for the draft & the expansion news and the GM's & teams and all the "clock is running out" I believe we have until the trade deadline" as the last chance to get our house in order before the expansion draft...... Another random thought: "IF" Staal & Girardi are NOT moved, we go into the season with a theoretically rested & healed Girardi / Klein / McIlrath & McDonagh / Staal / Skjei on the left....... Another "Big IF" we do move McDonagh, Staal & Skjei as our #1 & 2 on the left side is not terrible, sure may be a lot to expect out of SKJEI to handle 2nd pair minutes at this stage of his career, but isn't that what the regular season is for? ........ If McDonagh is moved, it may be prudent to allocate some of those cap dollars to the forwards while reshaping the squad...... RF: Rumors out there that Chicago may be kicking the tires on Brian Campbell... Hmmm, good enough for Chicago but not RF? I'll side with Chicago on this one, refill your bong! :-)

mf


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:34 am EST

My wishlist for this weekend: Trade Nash, Keep Kreider, Add a PP QB (been on my list for 12 years or so), Dead & Co kick some ass at Citi Field as they crank out a Throwing Stones Saturday, a Samson & Delilah Sunday and a Music Never Stopped either night.

Gibbo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:15 am EST

so far fishboy has seemed to be slow you blow, and overpays for what he does get....he needs to swim faster and smarter, and reel something in besides seaweeds.....time to move and land a couple of big fish......retool will be his definition,,,,,

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:13 am EST

DREW - The off-season has barely started..Have a little patience...My take is that if GORTON correctly realizes this team needs to make a few significiant changes (i.e., one of Step/Brass gone, Maybe Nash, maybe one of the younger forwards, one of Girardi/Staal if possible..and bringing back some of cap space, an offensive D-man, a different type of center), he will do it along with being active in FA...if he likley has condifendece in his current roster, he will blow it...Like he did with retaining AV....BTW, Jaret Stool is avaiable again...

Hospo


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:03 am EST

stevie: I will say this about the cap: As long as the Canadian $$ remains weak against its US counterpart, the cap will remain relatively flat...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 9:01 am EST

As we've all heard a few times, Gorther has his balls in the air - gotta figure (well, hoping anyways) once one lands, the others will slide into place for him. Of course, the problem always is if you wait too long, the GMs you're discussing trades with look elsewhere and you end up clutching yourself. It's really oftentimes a giant game of chicken as much as anything else. I do get not trading at 60% value but man, what a huge disappointment if the weekend comes and goes and the core as it stands now remains unchanged. The pressure is most certainly on, especially since the coach at season's end pronounced quite clearly changes were imminent.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:59 am EST

I have mentally resigned to the likliehood that the deals just won't be there for the Rangers and our roster (with a few minor tweeks) will be filled in by under the radar signings (like Stalberg last year). I think Rhet is spot on, Gorton is working but in the end, the deals just won't be there.

DREW


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:56 am EST

Rhet: Heard the same thing - they are allegedly pushing Buffalo for the 8th pick overall. Steep price but good them if they get it. Boston wants Fowler, too, apparently.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:55 am EST

stevie: Sorry, I don't understand your question...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:46 am EST

I've been reading that the Ducks are pressing hard to get a first for Fowler. It's then believed that they will turn their sights on Nash. I only hope that's true and that they bring their pick with them. I hope all goes according to plan for the NYR's today. If deals don't materialize the way we need/expect them to, there is a chance these players don't get moved. We're not going to give them away, nor are we just dumping them to get rid of salary. I'm hoping for big things today. Of course, I would trade anyone on the team if it made us better.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:44 am EST

rf4l i wonder what happens to the cap for 2017-18 ....is lost wages in the calculation ...?...or 2018-19 instead.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:28 am EST

BTW, heard today that Nash has indicated all Canadian teams are off his trading teams list.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:27 am EST

stevie: I doubt they'd buy out G - the penalty cap hit is simply too large. If he bulks at going to Edmonton with his teammate (if such a deal is on the table of course), then next year, he sits in the pressbox until he's so miserable, he agrees to be moved. I realize that's harsh but sometimes a team has no choice.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:25 am EST

stevie: Further to your thoughts on the backline if McD and G are moved. Adding a Wild young d-man for one spot and UFA for another. BTW, I still like Ryan Ellis of the Predators, although I will readily admit I've no idea if he's available. The Preds biggest shortcoming remains up front - Stepan would be an excellent addition for them, sliding in behind Johansen, giving them a fine number 1 and 2 center combo. Ellis isn't big but he's young, skilled offensively (starting to come into his own) and equipped with a reasonable contract. Also, the Preds' strength remains their backline and finally, there's history in terms of trades between Gorther and Poile.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:23 am EST

rf4l if girardi refuses to move or there are no takers, they could buy him out to protect someone else.

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:19 am EST

If the Rangers landed the 4th overall pick, they might be able to trade down to the 6th or 7th. Both Calgary and Arizona have expressed their desire to move up to the top 4. I am really intrigued by a kid named Logan Brown, 6'6" centerman who's deemed a project but climbed up the draft rankings later in the year as his talent started catching up with his enormous size. He's projected as a number 1 center with 2 way abilities and ranked in the top 10 at the draft.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:16 am EST

The Expansion Draft rules are exactly as I said they'd be months ago(including who needs to be protected). Thanks to Larry Brooks for giving me hope that we didn't have to protect Dan Girardi, only to have that hope crushed by reality. Does Btrooks ever say "I got it wrong?" Nope. "It's the Rangers feel they will need to protect Girardi." .....Larry Brooks reports that the Rangers feel they will need to protect Dan Girardi in the expansion draft next summer because the no-move clause throughout his contract will overrule his limited no-trade clause. (NY Post).... Brooks notes that Girardi could by exposed if he decides to waive his no-move clause for the draft, same with Marc Staal, with the likelihood that he won't be selected. (NY Post).... The Rangers will be obligated to expose at least one defenseman who plays 40 games this coming season or a combined 70 over the past two seasons. (NY Post).... Brady Skjei will be exempt and does not need to be protected. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:14 am EST

stevie: Minnesota is apparently shopping one or two of their young D (Dumba, Brodin) - one of those + a pick for Stepan. AFAIC, yes McD would be missed but G wouldn't be. If he plays next year like he did this year, it's addition via subtraction. Bottom line is this: If Gorther wants to cut at the core, that's a fabulous way to start AND it brings back quite a bounty. Draistal is a number 1 center in the making, something the Rangers have not had since Messier I.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 8:03 am EST

rf4l I'm open to trading the captain and tenkneel cap, but i'm not sure about losing 4 d from last season is easily filled.....that leaves klien, staal, big mac, sheahey, ....who would fill the other 2-3 spots? ....summers, diaz, graves, bodie ?.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:57 am EST

TD: Your take on McI: Agreed, especially your last point about being under-utilized. That's totally on AV (especially given the poor play of Boyle and G) and why I remain convinced AV isn't really that interested in using him. Gorther has to basically give AV no choice it seems, which is tough when even if the option is Diaz over him, the coach leans towards the former...

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:56 am EST

fishboy can trade whomever another gm is willing to make a deal on, but he better have replacements to fill those spots that can achieve similar numbers and contributions....their intangibles he should know too....what's the chances?.....his job should be to make the nyr better in the present and the future....good luck with that.....8 days in a week or a weak.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:54 am EST

Vic: Oh I concur Savard is more skilled offensively without a doubt. Just saying at the time Smith made that deal, the attitude issues with Savard clouded his value and it was a legitimate concern - like I said it was 5 years after that deal that Savard finally started putting things together (his last year with the Thrasher when he potted 97 points).

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:51 am EST

We've chatted about this on here several times but with the Subban available rumours running rampant and Edmonton's GM clearly expressing his desire to land a number 1 d-man, Gorther had better be engaging Chiarelli about his interest in McD. The rumoured Montreal ask is the 4th overall pick, Draisaitl and Oscar Klefbom, although Edmonton apparently finds including the latter too rich. If there's truth to this, then I'd argue McD and Girardi would land you the 4th and Draisaitl, something we've speculated on here about recently anyways. Now that would be a fabulous way to start the draft for the Rangers. Imagine doing that deal? Now you turn around and shop Stepan for someone like Brodin (and the Wild's first).

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:45 am EST

Nope. Just saying the last time the Rangers traded a center to move up in the first round, they got burned. They got burned badly. Comparison stops there. No implications at all. That said, I think the top five in this draft are head-and-shoulders above the level of the clowns that were in the 1999 draft.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:42 am EST

As for McIlrath...it's not like the kid was drafted in 2003. The league hasn't changed that much in six years...And while speed on the backline is important, this league is filled with defenseman that aren't swift skaters. I don't know what the value of McIlrath is and I don't think the Rangers do either, because I don't think he's being offered around the league. That's not to say he won't get moved if the right deal comes along...what I continue to shake my head about is this notion that he's some sort of slow, plodding knuckle dragger, which is far from the case. No, he isn't going to beat Carl Hagelin in a foot race. But were I to make a call, I don't think he was the slowest defenseman on the Rangers. Wouldn't even say he was the second slowest...and if we go into how well he plays the position, there were at least three other defenseman on the roster that played noticeably worse than he did. Sometimes four...He was the most under-utilized player on the Rangers' roster last season.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:38 am EST

RF4L: Maybe. SAVARD's issue was maturity not talent. TD: You didn't directly but you implied it by drawing the comparison. STEPAN doesn't have the vision and playmaking ability that SAVARD had. He is good, not great.

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:36 am EST

http://www.startribune.com/las-vegas-will-be-nhl-s-31st-team-expansion-entry-draft-rules/384011961/

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:31 am EST

Vic - I never said he was.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:30 am EST

Vic: I'd argue at the time of that Savard deal in comparison to what Stepan is now, the latter has more value. As talented as he may have been, Savard was a punk who continually rubbed teammates the wrong. It was only after he was in the league for several years did he mature and evolve into the player everyone now remembers. That was over 5 years after that deal was consummated.

RF4L


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:27 am EST

"On Saturday, unrestricted free agents-to-be can begin negotiating with other clubs, although they cannot sign until July 1. I don’t foresee the Rangers making a run at Steven Stamkos, who is going to get a mega contract somewhere, but I am not ruling it out, either. Gorton still has to sign his restricted free agents, assuming they aren’t dealt — Kreider, J.T. Miller, Kevin Hayes, Dylan McIlrath and Nicklas Jensen. It all starts, I’m sure, in Buffalo. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/24/nhl-draft-weekend-time-for-rangers-gorton-to-wheel-and-deal/#sthash.XufwRVVZ.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Jun 24 2016 7:23 am EST

TD: I know you like STEPAN but he isn't nearly the player that SAVARD was. E: The issue of McILRATH's "value" is a difficult one at best. He is 24 years old and has played in 37 NHL regular season games and 1 playoff game in his career so far. When he was drafted the league was still a place where size, physicality and toughness were valued highly in a defender. These days mobility and the ability to move the puck quickly are valued much more. I think there are still teams out there that would love to have a guy like McILRATH. However there aren't as many as there used to be. I like the kid and I think the Rangers need him because they have so few players that are difficult to play against. But I don't know what his ceiling as a player is. Is he destined to be a top 4 defender? Will he spend the bulk of his career as a #5 or #6? I'd say you have to consider him as an NHL level player but certainly not a top stud defender. He doesn't have much experience so you can't bill him a guy that can step into a Cup contender and solidify a questionable defense. I think it would be possible to get a 2nd round draft choice for him if he is traded to the right team. I don't think you can get a 1st round pick for him. Again that is just my opinion.

Vic


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:28 am EST

I don't get this consternation, unless it's over the fear of what moves Gorton will make...that I get...but that he hasn't made a deal of significance yet? Nope. Every GM in the league is working the phones 24-7 right now and literally everything we've heard since the last game of the season is that Gorton wasn't happy with the team's performance and that their WILL be changes. We've already lost two significant roster players(YANDLE and BOYLE) and will likely lose a third on July 1(MOORE). I don't think there's any question at all that either STEPAN or NASH or both will be dealt...likely in hours...and then what? Maybe STAAL? Maybe KREIDER? Who knows? I'd like to give him credit for not trading guys at a discount, but this is a no-brainer. Worst-case scenario here is that the Rangers go into free agency with $16 million in cap space, of which they can easily make a pitch at STAMKOS or RADULOV. The Rangers are actually going into the draft with a decent position...they don't need to do anything. Will they sit on their hands? Nope. Not a chance...that is my only trepidation...when I start hearing SHATTENKIRK'S name out there...Ironically, Gorton's strong suit was allegedly his ability at the draft table, not at deals...and that's where I get concerned...because if you're moving a guy like STEPAN, you better be getting an absolute stud back...and while I don't think mf's dream of TROUBA and the second could ever happen, I could certainly see moving him to get into the top five...then again the last time the Rangers dealt a young center with great vision to get a first rounder, we ended up with garbage and Marc SAVARD ended up a star...

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:19 am EST

Higgy - Steal? The only steal in the YANDLE deal is what he's taking in contract years. Like I said, that'll be a nice contract for two, maybe three years. The minute he loses a step to his game like BOYLE did, that contract is going to be a nightmare. And you bring up STAAL...well, the reason Staal gets paid is because he can play his position. He may not score 40-plus points, but he's a top-tier blueliner who can corral some of the best skaters in the world. The only reason why he doesn't get more credit for what he does is that he's often saddled with a guy on the right who is a traffic cone...Yandle, OTOH, is basically a forward. Again...look at the guy's differential. He was one of only a handful of players who finished the year negative...and that's DESPITE being on the PP for big minutes. the Kitties just bought themselves a 45-50 point winger to play defense for $6.35 million. Now if you think that's a good deal, then I'm at a loss for words.

tdchi


Fri Jun 24 2016 6:07 am EST

The hab nots want to move sue ban , Fishboy want to move Mac dumber ?

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:58 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/23/rangers-slow-playing-rick-nash-trade-chris-kreider-extension/

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:16 pm EST

Does Glen Sather selling his Off Season home mean he's getting ready to retire? One can only hope..... http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/hot-property/la-fi-hotprop-glen-sather-home-sale-20160622-snap-story.html

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:02 pm EST

Doc: I don't know but in terms of competition? This is a NYR renaissance. This team has never seen more success in my lifetime since 2012. Sure, it hasn't been all perfect but these comeback series against Washington and PIT for example was some of the most epic stuff I've seen in a while. So, they've hit the wall. It was bound to happen. But traditional NYR mo is to try to squeeze blood from a stone till the team has no sense of itself. At least in rumor it sounds like Gordo is planning on not giving these guys another kick at the can.

E


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:17 pm EST

glen sather- the gift that just keeps giving(gorton) never in all my years of rooting for and following the rangers have i been this alienated and disinterested . from the top down, the dolans to sather to gorton to vineault , they are the problem and its not going to change anytime soon

docjay


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:53 pm EST

mf - I agree...he got me all pumped that something happened and then all the air was let out of the balloon...Remember what they say..."May your cigar burn slow and your ash be long."

RF73


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:51 pm EST

mf: Pulling on anyone's bong, even CHEVELDAYOFF's, ain't gonna land the Rangers that 2nd overall pick. Best you park that rather unpleasant fantasy for now! LOL

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:50 pm EST

RF: If he wont waive, it doesn't matter, and FWIW Stepan & McIlrath is a damn good offer... Stepan is tested & proven, and Winipeg only needs McIlrath to start on the 3rd pairing right side which he can more than do..... jmo snatcherally

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:48 pm EST

mf: Trading Hank now is the right thing to do IMO...

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:47 pm EST

Between a buck 380 & a buck 490

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:46 pm EST

I'll pull on your bong for that 2nd pick, I'm a Ranger Fan! Apologies in advance WIOSA.

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:46 pm EST

Out of interest, what do you guys value Mcilrath on the market at.

E


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:45 pm EST

RF: Many of us were against the dollar amount of Hank's contract & I'd say more so than pointing out the NMC throughout the length of the contract.... To state the obvious, none of us knows what's going on inside the Rangers "war-room" just maybe, god willing, your buddy Gorton can "pull a Stamkos out of his hat" and having Hank on the roster helps him get it done..........

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:42 pm EST

evets/mf: McI and Stepan wouldn't get that 2nd overall pick alone, let alone adding Trouba. mf: You're pulling on the trade bong again, aren't you?

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:36 pm EST

Rhet/Nick: Zero surprise for me that the Stars have inquired about the King. Slightly less than zero surprise that the near-sighted Gorther is saying no. It all fits into the overall mismanagement of this team....

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:36 pm EST

mf... Trouba is a stud and I think it would take way more than Stepan and McIlrath to get him and their first pick. A LOT more...

evets1980


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:32 pm EST

RF73: That Nephew of your's is still trouble.............. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_6CN_HXek8

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:18 pm EST

mf - how 'bout this smoke?....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUwEIt9ez7M

RF73


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:13 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/flyers-lock-up-gudas-with-multi-year-deal-1.514449

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:02 pm EST

Win-a-pig could certainly use a center: Stepan & McIlrath for Trouba & their 2nd overall pick? .......... Would you like them Here or there?

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:57 pm EST

Higgy, I agree.

WIOSA


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:39 pm EST

Lot's of smoke around these trade rumors .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWxgfTMLtc0

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:13 pm EST

By 20 I mean a guy stops 20 more points than yandle does. Not 20 overall.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:19 pm EST

Higgy: 2 things. First...thats why people bitch about the Staal deal. Second the position is called Defense. Handle isn't always good at his job....yes he gets points....but a guy who gets 10 less points and keeps the other teams from getting 20 during the year is better.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:13 pm EST

That Yandle deal is a STEAL. How can anyone say they overpaid. 6.3 for the next 6 yrs who had 42 assists, when M. Staal is at 5.7 for the next 5 yrs?

Higgy21


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:07 pm EST

:)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:00 pm EST

RHET - Well, excuse the hell out of me, Mr. Original! Even if I started it..:)...As for the sweetner, depends on who's actually involved...my bet is it would be multiplayer from both sides..Then again,,,,,everybody else has been saying that also........

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:56 pm EST

STEVIE - I feel the same about Gorton but I wanna give him this offseason to show what he is made of and the last off season was just a poor start

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:56 pm EST

Hospo... As has everyone in the known universe for weeks. I still don't like that deal. It needs to be sweetened more.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:55 pm EST

If Stephan is traded I want Dumba

tlats


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:54 pm EST

Been saying Stepan plus.. to Minn for the ilk of Brodin, Dumba, Coyle for awhile...as has E......Hope it still has a chance

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:43 pm EST

Adam Herman ‏@AdamZHerman ....... Brodin for Stepan certainly is gathering some smoke...

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:35 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie...... As per @Real_ESPNLeBrun, Cam Fowler trade talks heating up to the point where he could be moved before Friday night's draft. Stay tuned..... MIN is fielding offers on some of its good young D. A trade of a D for a good young forward is possible but not necessarily assured. 0 retweets 0 likes

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:32 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie..... Nothing has been formalized to this point, but the probability of MIN buying out Tomas Vanek in the next couple of days appears quite high.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:29 pm EST

RF73: Look at all the trouble your nephew started. I knew the kid was rotten when I 1st laid eyes on him.... The whole place is in a tizzy now...... good grief.........

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:25 pm EST

Hospo fishboy does not seem very adroit . He needs to find gms dumber or more desperate than himself . Sather has taught him his broken clock theory . I'll be shocked if he pulls off a good trade for the nyr present needs .,except to clear cap space to sign ufas...

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:02 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun .... Add Arizona to the list of teams trying on Kevin Shattenkirk...

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 5:55 pm EST

Michael Russo of the Star Tribune writes: The Edmonton Oilers need blue-liners, and anybody from centers Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov to wingers Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle could be had for the right price. Some feel the same could be said for Florida’s Nick Bjugstad and the Rangers’ Derek Stepan. The Wild also theoretically could be willing to part with forwards. Mikael Granlund and Nino Niederreiter are a year from restricted free agency, meaning the Wild has to decide soon whether it wants to commit to them long-term. Jason Zucker is a restricted free agent. I don’t see a Stepan to Minnesota deal, unless the Rangers obtain both Granlund and Matt Dumba.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 5:49 pm EST

Nick.... Allegedly Dallas asked about Hank's availability. More than once and they were firmly told he is untouchable. If true, I wish we'd reconsider :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 5:41 pm EST

So is it Kreider or Hayes we traded to Boston for their 1st round pick? Hayes, Hayes, Hayes!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 5:37 pm EST

Sounds suspiciously like PK SUBBAN is on the move. Edmonton is reportedly offering the 4th overall and DRAISATL. I'd do that deal if I were Montreal.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 4:12 pm EST

call the fbi to investigate all these rumors and pictures....won't give what fbi stands for....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 3:52 pm EST

VIC - Don't agree it's as bad as you put it because of the talent involved, and agree more with TDCHI...but bottom line is that our opinions mean jack shit.....Everything depends on GORTON and how adroit of a trader he is and how well the Rangers can evaluate professional talent that might be avaialble..That's where trades that look like dogs can turn into winners...

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 3:50 pm EST

RF73 - no bad info he just shared a picture and asked a question lol

sportyplaya1188


Thu Jun 23 2016 3:38 pm EST

Here's one for mf - Dreger: "The #Oilers would love to move Nail Yakupov. The problem that they have is they can't get much more than a third-round draft pick."

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 3:34 pm EST

Vic – I get saying the Rangers have some bad contracts that other teams will not want…well…actually, just one: GIRARDI. And I understand saying the Rangers have contracts that will likely mean they won’t get back a great return –NASH, STAAL and maybe…just maybe…BRASSARD. But to say they’re tight up against the cap is just not accurate. They’ve got 14 players signed right now. Ditching YANDLE and BOYLE freed up almost $7 million in space, only $2 million of which will be eaten by their respective replacements right now. Conventional wisdoms suggests BUCHNEVICH and likely JENSEN will be on the roster, so that brings us to 16 players signed…and they have roughly $14.5 million to bring another six under contract. Even assuming they give KREIDER and MILLER $4 million apiece…that would mean another $6 million-plus to round out the roster with another four players…and that’s also assuming that they roll into the season with the same crew, which Gorton and Sather have already said they won’t do. I think there is almost a 100 percent likelihood they will be short either Nash or STEPAN…Realize with a total of $16 plus million before they reach the cap, the Rangers are 20th in the league in total salary. That’s hardly a cap crunch.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 3:29 pm EST

Why?...he gave me bad information!

RF73


Thu Jun 23 2016 3:15 pm EST

@RF73 --- I don't know who your nephew is, but you should thank him for contributing to the conversation lol

sportyplaya1188


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:34 pm EST

Someone on twitter reported that some tech people confirmed they were just testing the board...

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:34 pm EST

It also has the Islanders at #9

DREW


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:30 pm EST

My nephew just texted me the same shot...looks like NYR from BOS

RF73


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:29 pm EST

wild thanks for the clarification. I hope they have guys wiping their brows as they sweat through this weekend and beyond. they don't get charged against the cap. jimmboy spares no expense, including press bodyguards.

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:27 pm EST

Someone snapped a shot of the draft board in Buffalo and it shows the NYR sitting in the 14th spot of round-1 from Boston. There are a few other changes on the board as well. Zippy reports. Put on your tinfoil hats.

E


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:20 pm EST

stevie: With all the smoke around the rangers I can't imagine he isn't busy. I don't expect to hear much directly from he Rangers Org until the traditional chat with the press after the first day of the draft stuff.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:16 pm EST

saton lives on......RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 23, 2016 11:53 AM fyi, you didn’t hear it here … Beat writers asked to speak to Gorton about the coming weekend, and he declined. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/22/nhl-awards-show-its-go-time/#comment-2764956

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:13 pm EST

HOSPO: They need to make moves that free up Cap space. Take a step back and think about it. You have player A on the Rangers who is a good player (substitute any of the names you want) but is being overpaid. You want to move that player to another team and get a better player in return who costs less? How do you figure that is going to happen? Nobody is going to do the Rangers any favors. Nobody is going to give them better players who are less expensive in return. And in that the fact that just about all of them (with maybe the exception of STEPAN) are already on the back 9 in their career and in the case of STEPAN he has reached the point where he is what he is. So, the Rangers are either going to get lesser players in return or they are going to have to sweeten the deal. They are going to have to include young, desirable assets, draft picks or they will have to eat Salary. All three of those sweeteners are things they cannot afford to do. The cupboards are bare, they are pressed against the cap like a tight sweater on KATE UPTON and they don't have any high draft picks to give away this year.

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:04 pm EST

Interesting. I think the first big trade breaks stuff loose. The Sens GM said there is "gridlock"and that there is " a lot of traffic out there" I guess too many teams all want the same guys, to are want player A before they decide on whether they go for Player B or C next.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 2:01 pm EST

Rumors pointing to Fowler heading to Buf.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:45 pm EST

Cap hits aside Nash > Eberle all day long.

E


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:45 pm EST

Rocco Grimaldi? hell, I would want him on my team just for his name!

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:44 pm EST

td: I thought the same thing about that trade...and my second thought was "Look the AVS have another undersized forward in the system" they seem to love them there

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:44 pm EST

VIC - Disagree....BRASS, STEP and STAAL are all good players and have value......And can bring back different type of player or players.....The other such as Girardi and Hayes, I totally agree---little value...perhpas lazy Hayes can be used in a package or dealt for another head case.........AS for NASH, a bit more complicated...I thijnk the guy can explode for certain teams...but he does have that contract....Still, he shouldn't just be a total "salary dump" trade.........ANd, if I am wrong and you're right that we can only get crap back in return, why do it ? We shall see..

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:41 pm EST

The Avalanche just got a HELL of a deal…kind of ironic saying that with GRIMALDI in the sentence…but…I’m not sure what Grimaldi will amount to in the NHL, but he’s 100 times better than BERA, who probably couldn’t beat out MONTOYA for the back up’s job, unless Monty is flying the coop…At any rate, I would have gladly handed over HELLBERG or maybe even SKAPSKI for that kid. Grimaldi has got hands of silk. His only real problem is that he’s a Born Again Christian.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:40 pm EST

I just can't get into all of the rumors and speculation that goes with this time of year. I'll just sit on my hands and wait for the draft weekend to end........you know........just like GORTHER.....

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:38 pm EST

HOSPO: The Rangers aren't going to get the kind of guys you are looking for in exchange the players that folks want to trade. NASH, STEPAN, BRASSARD, GIRARDI, STAAL, HAYES, etc. aren't going to bring back what you are looking for. Theoretically they could if you packaged two or three of them but who has 12 to 18 Million in Cap space to waste on any combo of those guys. The Rangers sure don't....that is why they are being shopped.

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:37 pm EST

blue – seen it on Twitter from a couple different places, not just that Rangers’ blog. Agreed, it makes no sense. Not even the explanation on the fan blog makes any sense.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:31 pm EST

To Florida: Reto Berra, To Colorado: Rocco Grimaldi

Wildcard


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:30 pm EST

wheher it's a rumor of just some blogger's rosterbation

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:29 pm EST

EBERLE, YAKUPOV and NUGENT-HOPKINS are not the guys from EMDONTON you want and are a reason they are a bunch of losers....They would just add more of the similar light weight crap the Rangers already have.....HALL and DRAISDALL are another matter.......Keep Nash for something else.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:14 pm EST

Well I hope everyone's having a nice summer ... it's my monthly drop-in ... and TD if that rumor is true can I drive Nasher to the airport? And when do we announce the Stamkos signing? And anyone beside me think Hank would look swell in a Las Vegas Aces unie? See ya gang!

Nick


Thu Jun 23 2016 1:05 pm EST

tdchi: id hardly call it a rumor. it was pure conjecture on a blogger's part about how a 3 way could solve it. other than in this guys head and on his blog, it has literally appeared nowhere else.

bLUEbLOOD


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:44 pm EST

Rumor making the rounds now is that NASH and cash is going to St. Louis, SHATTENKIRK is off to Edmonton and EBERLE and YAKUPOV are coming to NYC. Eberle would be a nice add…right-handed shot…goal scorer…I have ZERO interest in Yak though.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:41 pm EST

Something that often gets overlooked when AV is getting portrayed as some sort of pacifist-loving coach is that he presided over a team FILLED with dirtbags and brought said team to the finals…Burrows, Torres, Bieksa, Max LaPierre, Kesler, and our very own Tanner Glass. The only team that could out-dirtbag the 2010-2011 Canucks was the 2010-2011 Bruins…AV isn’t going to dress a gang of knuckledraggers and certainly he has a propensity for demanding players with speed…but really his main parameter for whether to play a guy or not seems centered around mobility, not whether he plays a tough game or likes to hit. Another thing that bears mentioning is that while AV didn’t like players to take stupid penalties…much like the ones arising from a tough checking game…he also had a very good reason for that. When your PK is 22nd in the league and the only reason it’s not 30th is because you have one of the best goaltenders on the planet…well…you don’t really want your guys taking penalties for any reason.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:13 pm EST

Maybe Gorther will grant LB an audience....?

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:12 pm EST

E: All true, except Glass is an AV pet. Would he agree to Martin over said pet? Perhaps - after all, he allowed Glass to be farmed out early last year, even tho that left the team with no physical presence (can't count McI as one - how effective can one be in that role when he's in the pressbox?).

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:11 pm EST

Don't think Gorther has any responsibility to the media prior to free agency, deadlines, draft etc... They are gonna ask him to comment on things that haven't happened or are in progress and he is only going to speak in platitudes. Total waste of time. His, the median, the fans...

E


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:09 pm EST

NN: Ranger Rehab...interesting. Does it involve mind altering hallucinogenic medication?

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:05 pm EST

I would love to think the reason Gorther (<-- RF4L!!!) is too busy is because he is finalizing all of these franchise changing trades. But I doubt it.

DREW


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:56 am EST

Won't talk to the media about his plans because he has no plans.

NYStranger


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:54 am EST

That's all right. There is always the pick a goalie with a top 5 draft pick scenario! Bwah ha ha ha, Go Gorther!

NYStranger


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:54 am EST

On another note, apparently the Rangers beat writers requested a call with Gorton to ask some questions going into the deadline, like most GM's do, and he DECLINED. Guess he has adopted the Sather approach to the media and fans.

Bob


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:52 am EST

Ranger Fan Rehab. Great idea NN! Where do I sign up? I am ready to be admitted.

Bob


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:39 am EST

RF4L...Only reason you dreamed that was because they HAVE done that in the past!

RF73


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:34 am EST

RF4L: I think you need help or Ranger Rehab :)

DOUBLEN


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:33 am EST

Here's an example of the pain this team causes me: Last night I actually dreamed that the Rangers managed to trade up to the 13th overall spot in the draft then when the pick came around, they selected a player rated by most as a late 2nd rounder. LOLOL....

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:33 am EST

If Tanner Glass is an AV kind of player then Martin is also that kind of player. Only he's better. I see no correlation to the Mcilrath situation real/imagined. Mcilrath played plenty of nights with Tanner Glass in the lineup. Does anybody remember how Glass was cruising the red line with Simmonds warning him that he's coming for him and he'll have to stand up. Yet, it was Mcilrath that ended up in a pretty good scrap with him.

E


Thu Jun 23 2016 11:28 am EST

Vic: I feel your pain buddy. I am holding out hope, however, Gorther actually does good this time around. So far so good (2 picks for Yandle)...that had better not be the highlight tho!!!

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:52 am EST

RF: I've herd scuttlebutt that Buffalo is interested in moving up a few spots to go after DUBOIS. Who knows......it will all be over in a few days. Then we can take stock of how badly GORTHER fared..........because I've learned to fear the trade deadline and the draft as a Ranger fan. Nothing good seems to come from either. Only pain and regret......

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:46 am EST

I absolutely think Boomer and his daughter will have a say in Matt Martin signing with the Rangers and my gut tells me he will be a Ranger.

tlats


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:38 am EST

http://www.thetailgatetimes.com/boomer-esiasons-daughter-sydney-hot/ Sydney Esiason, daughter of NFL legend Boomer Esiason, has been dating New York Islanders player Matt Martin since 2012....Maybe Boomer can help with that signing?

RF73


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:37 am EST

Vic: Predictions right now are Tkachuk going to Edmonton at 4 and Dubois to Vancouver at 5.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:31 am EST

mf: It's Dan Boyle at 1 year. We just went thru 2 years of that dude - why take on that crap again? No thanks.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:21 am EST

tlats: they trade tanner glass for whatever they can get for him..... he's 32 and stickhandles like he's dealing with a live grenade.... Martin is bigger, stronger, younger and has 2x the ppg avg.............. RF4L: Brian Campbell on an inexpensive 1 year contract as reinforcement, if we have the money, c'mon now, it's insurance, it's NOT a Dan Boyle redeux......

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:17 am EST

If the Rangers sign Martin what do they do with Tanner Glass? If they send him to the Wolfpack how much of a cap hit is he?

tlats


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:10 am EST

Matt Martin is not an AV player - he's too aggressive.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:10 am EST

mf: Yes, the Panthers had cap space freed up thru Campbell hitting UFA. And no thanks to Campbell - another aging player this team does not need IMO.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:10 am EST

If Matt Martin signs with Rangers. Say goodbye to Dylan McIlrath

rangerlou


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:03 am EST

Martin did not sign but I would sign him too he is what this team needs. Say no to lucic I believe his best days are behind him.

tlats


Thu Jun 23 2016 10:00 am EST

So Yandle moved to Florida: Could it be that Florida lobbied hard to replace Brian Campbell? Seems logical Dr.Spock..... IF we can move Staal, maybe a 1 year signing of Brian Campbell at half the price of Dan Boyle is worth a look & see...

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:47 am EST

Did Martin resign? I would rather take a chance on him than an aging Lucic. Lucia... lol spell checker.

NYStranger


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:35 am EST

Vic: add Sam ReinHart to that Buffalo list

mf


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:25 am EST

Shaggy - if Brooklyn signs Lucic and Martin, they will likely tie up some cap space. Maybe the Rangers bite the bullet and wait. I wouldn't mind signing that center thay have in the summer of 2018.

DREW


Thu Jun 23 2016 9:13 am EST

I'd hate to see Lucic sign with the Isles. Imagine that team with him and Matt Martin? They'd pummel us for the next 5 years. If Rangers sign him, it would help make Kreider a beast...well a stupid penalty taking beast at minimum..

Shaggy


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:32 am EST

TD: Sorry, you are correct. Got the two mixed up.

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:30 am EST

Vic - Toronto was the team that got Andersen. Buffalo is going into the season with Lehner as their number 1.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:23 am EST

TD: That rumor has been around for a while actually. They traded to get ANDERSEN. They have EICHEL. They will most likely be signing VESSEY and they will be drafting either DUBOIS or TKCHUCK. Add that to KANE, O'REILLY and the rest of what they already had and you are looking at a quick turnaround in Buffalo.

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 8:04 am EST

NYStranger - We're in on LUCIA? Always liked his game in Notre Dame...seriously though, I don't know what all this talk about LUCIC is. He's going to want $6 million plus and a huge multi-year deal...NTM, he plays the left side, which means one of NASH, KREIDER or BUCHNEVICH would need to be moved or play the off wing...I think it's a lot more likely the Rangers target someone like OKPOSO, who brings a lot more to the table...strong, fast winger who can pot goals and shoots righty. He'll probably take a deal akin to Looch, which is a bit of an issue.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:54 am EST

Holy Crap Batman. Yandle's candle as been extinguished. What Happened?

rangerlou


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:53 am EST

Popular rumor now on STAMKOS is that he's going to go to Buffalo of all places.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:37 am EST

York - Though I agree the Rangers have some bad contracts, how are they over a barrel right now? Going into the draft, they have more than $16 million in cap space. And if you believe what you read in the rags, they'll have at least another $6.5 million on top of that, provided either NASH or STEPAN is moved. Even if they aren't, the team has more than enough money to at least give a lucrative offer to STAMKOS and then work out how to get all the RFAs signed(or dealt) later. If there's a team that's 'over a barrel' it's Toronto, which has only $7 million in cap space and will likely need to give away either JVR or BOZAK in order to be in on the bidding. And they have guys like LUPUL and LAICH...both of whom will struggle to make the roster on even a weak team...earning a combined $10 million...Or the Red Wings, who are another rumored suitor...They have a situation similar to the Rangers, where they technically have enough to ante up...but the problem is, the whole league knows they can't go into the season with DATSAYUK'S contract on the books...and right now the asking price to take that off their hands is MANTHA...few weeks ago it was JURCO...So while I think it's accurate to say Gorton has his challenges ahead...and that he'll need to have a very discerning eye to assess whether he should move a guy like Nash or Stepan...he's got time to make that decision. And if he doesn't feel the return is good on either, he can easily take both, AND the STAAL and GIRARDI contracts...into the bidding for Stammer. His position isn't excellent, but it ain't bad by any stretch of the imagination. The question is, how much of a retool do the Rangers want? Do they want to do what the Bruins did last year? Or do they want to do something akin to what the Pens did?

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:27 am EST

Rhet: You're right about Shittenkirk expecting the same sort of deal next summer. In other words, more reasons for the Rangers to stay away IMO. They are better off targeting someone like Ryan Ellis IMO.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:25 am EST

Sather wanted Yandle for years. I'm not so sure if he were still GM that he wouldn't have been re-signed. Anyway, you're now looking at the parameters for Shattenkirk's next deal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:23 am EST

That said, decent return for someone they had no chance of resigning, although it doesn't do much to soften the bounty Maloney fetched off of Gorther in the first place.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:21 am EST

I think Stamkos is an extreme long shot, I am scared of a Lucia deal, and not that excited about trading for Shattenkirk. Unless that deal includes Nash going the other way and does not include other stupid pieces. So far so good...not

NYStranger


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:20 am EST

Agreed the Yandle deal is ridiculous but guess what? A bunch of us predicted exactly this. What a stupid deal by Gorther to get him. Knew it then and know it now.

RF4L


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:11 am EST

YANDLE'S contract will be a toxic asset in four years. The length of that deal is ridiculous. And it's going to be there right around when HUBERDEAU, EKBLAD and TROCHECK will be looking for big paydays...sorry we only got a fourth and sixth for him, but no way is Yandle worth that kind of money. People look at his point totals and start using his name in the same sentence with SUBBAN and KARLSSON...but the truth is both of those guys can also play defense. Yandle is a fourth forward and a PP specialist. And I tell you what: When he starts to slow down in a couple of years, he'll make BOYLE look like a goddamn Norris Trophy winner out there.

tdchi


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:10 am EST

If LUCIC is signed I think it shows the disconnect between GORTHER and AV. LUCIC does not fit into AV's system and is another player that AV would have little use for. It would make little sense. Why would you keep AV if you intended to sign players that don't fit into his system? I have to believe that by keeping AV they intend to build around AV's system. So that would mean that players like SHATENKIRK would be desired while players like LUCIC would not be.

Vic


Thu Jun 23 2016 7:01 am EST

York the Hail Mary passes by Sather gorton saton are their mo. Until they figure out its the coach again . I think both stamkos and lucic are fishboy targets .

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 6:31 am EST

Yandle was about $$$ as is his right this is business gorton got a fourth better than nothing but again he has me worried I don't care how much he's talking teams know he's dealing from weakness right now they know hes trying to free up cap space for stamkos and teams will play hard ball and he doesn't seem to do well in trades when his hand is forced. I also worry lucic is his buddy have a sickening feeling if they lose on stamkos lucic gets signed.

York18


Thu Jun 23 2016 5:09 am EST

guess fishboy didn't know fla wanted yandle .....or really believed his coach at the deadline ...ain't that a kick in the can..? ...next .....saton moves on, show some more of your magic....I can't wait.....hagmoves , yanmoves, stalmoves, .-----moves....coachmove.....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 23 2016 12:34 am EST

A sixth-round pick offers a little less than 16% chance of turning into an NHL player, while a fourth-rounder (which was conditional upon Yandle signing in Florida) is closer to a 19% chance. It's entirely possible that the Rangers end up with nothing of long-term value in return, but they have a couple of extra shots at the draft over the next two years, and it's for a player that was going to be an unrestricted free agent anyway.

Bob


Wed Jun 22 2016 11:09 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun--- ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun Keith Yandle has agreed to terms with the Florida Panthers: seven years and $6.35 million average per season

RDW


Wed Jun 22 2016 10:43 pm EST

I tell you what: I'd take first stab at STAMKOS on July 1. If he shunned us, then I'd be on the horn with RADULOV the very next minute. Two years at $7.5 million is a lot...but if Rick NASH is moved, I'd have no problem paying it. Radulov gives this team grit and skill. He'd be a welcome addition even if he's a back-stabbing malcontent.

tdchi


Wed Jun 22 2016 10:42 pm EST

It is about five years too late on Lucic so naturally we will sign him. Perfect Rangers MO IMO. I want to barf right now.

NYStranger


Wed Jun 22 2016 10:38 pm EST

Why do I get the feeling that the Rangers are gonna wait and delay and keep holding out for the best deal and will be left holding the bag in the end. This same crap seems to happen over and over. Look at last years draft day trade mess when we seemed to get pennies on the dollar for Hags and also Talbot. This better not be another summer of big talk and little action. Gorther better earn their pay. I am seriously already getting pissed about how this may go and it hasn't even happed yet! Damn, I need a drink.

NYStranger


Wed Jun 22 2016 10:36 pm EST

The ONLY reason I can see to trade for SHATTENKIRK is if the Rangers see SKJEI and GRAVES as the future of their defense...He's basically YANDLE 2.0, though I think he's better defensively...But seriously...if the Rangers want a puck mover and that's the only metric they're after...then it makes little sense to give up MORE assets for a guy like Shatty McPoopie Pants than to simply wait until July 1 and then throw $7.5 mil at Yandle.

tdchi


Wed Jun 22 2016 9:57 pm EST

Fourth Round Pick, Fourth Round Pick....... Per Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun ..... Hearing that talks are progressing well between the Panthers and pending UFA Keith Yandle.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 9:35 pm EST

RF4L... I feel the same way and all it does is interrupt trade season before the draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 9:29 pm EST

OK, the boring awards show is over (didn't watch it for like the 100th consecutive year) so now the unspoken freeze on trades is over - let's see some action (and I agree whole-heartedly that little Napolean makes sure no trades are consummated during the awards, lest it take the attention away from what he believes is an eagerly anticipated highlight of the NHL season.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 9:26 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/22/now-is-the-time-for-islanders-to-go-all-in-on-stanley-cup-dreams/

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 9:21 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-latest-on-campbell-stamkos-malkin-fleury-shattenkirk-and-more/

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:41 pm EST

RF4L...lol, youre probably right..

WIOSA


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:07 pm EST

No Lucic please....... Just say no.

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:01 pm EST

Wiosa... I've also read Stepan rumors to the Wild for Brodin and their #1 pick. The rumors are kind of all over the place lately.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:00 pm EST

WIOSA: LOL...guess what? That'll be a rumour on twitter in the next 24 to 48 hours!!!

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:58 pm EST

How about Kreider for Jonas Brodin? This is not a rumor, I just thought it would be a good idea.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:56 pm EST

E: I don't disagree. I've never liked that asshole anyways. He's quickly becoming a relic because as you say, he's slow and lumbering. I know I'm critical of Gorther for those silly MSL and Yandle trades, but look at the stupidity of Lombardi in his lust for Lucic. He traded prospect Colin Miller, Martin Jones AND the 13th overall pick for one year of that slug. The Bruins then moved Jones for the Sharks first rounder this year (29th overall as it turned out) and prospect Sean Kuraly. What a haul for the Bruins...what a horrible trade for the Kings.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:51 pm EST

RF: I want nothing to do with Lucic. The idea of Lucic is so much better then the reality. He's slow and lumbering. From my eye test the reason his numbers are what they are is the Los Angeles Kings own the puck all the time. And he's at the net. And he's gonna be that classic example of being paid for what you did instead of what you're gonna do.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:49 pm EST

WC: from earlier; If we're going after Shattenkirk, Girardi is actually Dman numero uno that has to go..... We have to cut salary while reshaping-retooling-rebuilding, call it whatever.... Hospo, IMO Shattenkirk is exactly the kind of player you'd warm up to, you rub him or a team0mate the wrong way, he let's you know it, he has a way of being an agitator from the back of the pack.. I watched him closely during the playoffs..

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:49 pm EST

Lucic was a fishboy signing in boston . Maybe fishboy has the gills to shove him down weeknow's throat and up his ass . The nyr could use more edge but coach cow chew only likes his glass.

stevielegs


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:42 pm EST

Sorry...Nolan

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:41 pm EST

Interesting story on the current favourite to go first overall next June - Noel Patrick, nephew of James. The Rangers have their 17 first rounder as of now.... http://www.tsn.ca/patrick-poised-to-be-the-next-great-nhl-prospect-1.513469

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:38 pm EST

Lucic hitting UFA (surprise! surprise!) - wonder if Gorther has any interest? Given AV's love of pacifist hockey I suspect no.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:55 pm EST

Rhet: Maybe because it's perceived the Rangers under-achieved while the Panthers did the latter? I suspect that was at least a factor in the voting, right or wrong.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:54 pm EST

How do you compare what Zuc went through this past season. Many NYR fans were worried he wouldn't be the same player again... to Jagr being old. I'm going to grow a Mullett just so I can burn it in effigy.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:51 pm EST

Wild: That's what I hear up here...from a very good source, too.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:50 pm EST

E: Oh no...there are employment issues there. But the wage gap is massive. There are a large number of people who make a ton of money. You don't need 1,000,000 high end earners, you just need enough to become fans enough to fill a NHL stadium. Also not every game fans, but 10 game fans, mixed in as well.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:47 pm EST

RF4L: I don't know about that. I have been looking at moving up there so I have been keeping track. I know people up there and there is still two groups keeping ownership of some land, and looking at getting other land (depending on the group) and the one group IS building a new building. Its unknown what type of building it will be, and if they can get an NHL team that will be how the build. The ONLY issue in the way is the ordnance that was passed allowing the city to spend some money and give tax incentives for an NBA team. Everyone on the council is OK with changing that, there is just one problem...its a voter initiative, it can't be changed without going on a ballot. The issue is being worked on. Seattle is very much in play, the legislative issues are the biggest hurdle. In fact there are a few investors who want to back an NHL team, but have not backed either of the two main groups because they want to be on the winning side, once one side wins out they will step in.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:45 pm EST

Yeah WILD, I'd take issue with that. I have several family members retired there in Henderson and Summerlin. And underemployment continues to be a serious issue. But anywho, as long as the seats are sold and a good media deal are in place the rest should take care of itself. If it doesn't? Juarez Banditos here we go. Gotta keep finding new markets Bettman. Right???

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:42 pm EST

Seriously??? ...Jim Cerny ‏@JimCerny .... Current #NYR @zuccarello36 beaten out for Masterton Trophy tonight by former Blueshirt Jaromir Jagr

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:40 pm EST

Seattle has no one interested in owning an NHL team and no NHL capable arena even being considered, much to Buttman's dismay. I find it rather amusing because it's so obvious it bothers that little weasel to no end. LOL

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:37 pm EST

Chicago Blackhawks F Patrick Kane has won the Ted Lindsay Award as Outstanding Rapist. I haven't forgotten MOFO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:36 pm EST

With the sounders...it does help that season ticket holders get to vote, every 4 years (I think it 4) on the question of keeping the GM. If they decide a change is needed the GM's contract is not renewed and a new GM is hired. Every team should do that in every sport. Would see some things change for sure.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:34 pm EST

E: 3, 4 years ago ManU played ManCity in Seattle....the players said the crowd was louder than they had expected and it felt like they were in their own building. Think about this, 2 years ago, the Sounders had the 3rd highest average attendance in the world....seriously, they had better game to game attendance than all but 2 teams world wide. Now the big games crowds in other areas were larger, but teams overseas apparently don't have great crowds for some lesser games. But the Sounders averaged more than like 1/3 of the EPL teams have seats. Something I was shocked to read.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:16 pm EST

Any team giving Radulov $15,000,000 for 2 years totally deserves what they will likely get. And if/when it all blows up, that GM should be fired on the spot. All that said, 1 year at a $3,000,000 - $4,000,000 deal perhaps (for the Rangers) if they move Stepan and don't have an alternative centerman solution.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:55 pm EST

E: They have a TON of season tickets sold at least. I think some, or a bunch will end up belonging to casinos, so they will be give aways, and packages for hotels and the like. SO the seats will be full, but with new people all the time. But there is a large large population there, and its growing. You want to say the incomes are not high...well I can tell you from knowing a few people that work out there, that there are a TON of people in every casinos that make a lot of money, and a lot of those people are from other places, kind of like Florida, and I imagine many would enjoy going to games. It might work out better than we can imagine. Revenues at least will likely be higher than other expansion teams just because the casino money will be pouring in to get "stuff" for visitors...like tickets, boxes, t-shirts and the like to be put in rooms. Think of the "NHL package" at a casino hotel. You get a room, a t-shirt, some food coupons, gambling credits, tickets to the game. That money goes right to the team and the NHL. Most teams don't have that kind of surrounding infrastructure to build off of and use.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:55 pm EST

WILD: I almost read that wrong. No doubt, in terms of major league support its head scratching. I could not believe how boisterous that area was with its sports. Seeing a Sounders game I would've thought I was at a Chelsea game. It was pretty fun. And loud. The Seahawks and Mariners are big draws. It's a great sports town.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:48 pm EST

And FWIW I also think the LV team is going to be interesting. LV is such a transient city it might be hard to get a fan base to get some traction. Like a more fluid population then PHX. Or it might be a little bit like SJ was. Another transient city that imported an awful lot of people from traditional hockey markets but they were all high wage earners. What started out as a franchise that's a plus draw was when those teams came to town quickly solidified its own base. I don't think LV is attracting the same type of wage earners. LV is a giant service industry and supplemented by unsustained real estate. Other then that??? I don't see the high wage base that you're looking for. It might be lower wage then PHX.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:47 pm EST

E: Make no mistake the Canadian dollar is a huge part of this. it hasn't been stable for a year or two now, and there are differing projections, some have it slowly going up, other down. Also, the markets. The Seattle market is larger, there are good, no great sports fans there, and its one of the top 10 fastest growing metro areas in the USA....that all leads to it being a stranger market even if the currency issue wasn't as big. That is another reason why I think the next relocation with be QC. It will give time for the Dollar up there to stabilize, stable is as good as slightly higher, then they can project revenue better and the like and the business side of the BOG will be happier. Meanwhile Seattle allows the 500+ Million to come in again, along with a large market, and a completely new city ripe for the picking. Its kind of a win win. QC will get a team, the league makes it expansion, and everyone ends up happy.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:37 pm EST

I was listening to Bettman's presser and most of it was BS in terms of reasons why the Nords aren't coming back this expansion. But one area that I agree with Bettman was the idea that an expansion draft of more then one team at a time in the cap area is pretty damaging to the rest of the teams in the NHL. Especially when the league is committed to not have an LV team that flounders in obscurity for years like has happened in the past. It sounds like the interests of the Nords and a Seattle team remains strong. I do think the Canadian dollar is playing a role here.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:31 pm EST

WILD... "In an ideal scenario for NHL suitors, Radulov would accept a one-year trial contract for the 2016-17 campaign with the understanding that he’ll receive his big payday next summer if all goes well. However, he’s reportedly looking for a two-year, $15 million deal. That’s a huge gamble for any team to take on a player that’s played in nine NHL games since 2008-09, no matter how much potential he has. Is there a team that might sign him in spite of all of that? Well, Detroit was previously linked to Radulov, but they were reportedly looking at a deal in the $4 million to $5 million range for a single season, so unless Radulov’s demands are much lower than has been suggested or he’s willing to back down considerably, they might be priced out of the market."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:27 pm EST

Rhet: I saw something that 25 or more teams had contacted his agent. Its not a shock at all that the Rangers inquired...i thinks due diligence. And if he decided to come to the Rangers cheap than he might be a decent signing. Anyway, I wouldn't look too much into it, other teams will have more cap space and more desire to pay him a larger amount to get him on board...and he just wants back into the NHL...so think 2 year deal so he can prove himself and than sign someplace better in his mind.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:26 pm EST

"Other teams that have been linked to Radulov include the Toronto Maple Leafs, New York Islanders, and New York Rangers." ....http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/06/22/ufa-of-the-day-alexander-radulov/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:24 pm EST

Let everyone's heads collectively explode..... NY Rangers Zone ‏@NYRangersZone ..... Report: Rangers interested in Alexander Radulov #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:06 pm EST

RF4L: Yes The tickets cost more in USD....and that makes up for the CDN dropping some. But you point to the time period of the strongest the CDN has ever been against the USD. You can't always count on that. In fact history shoes the CDN will be 10-15% less valued than the USD at its best. There is stability to the earnings when the teams are all, or mostly under 1 currency.....thats just a simple fact. I think a team gets moved to QC, not expanded there...I think they want to get that expansion money and the extra revenue from a new team for a season or two THAN move a team that is struggling, and that team will goto QC.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:00 pm EST

Wild: The revenue is only worth more when the Canadian $$ is depressed. Two years ago, it was the bulk of the Canadian franchises propping up over 1/2 of the American ones. Those teams either can't draw fans and/or sell their tickets at rock bottom prices. What's the average price for a ticket in FLA or Carolina or Phoenix or SJ or wherever (save for the few exceptions like NY)? I don't have the stats here but I'll bet it's less than half and probably more like a quarter vs the average price of a ticket in Canada....

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 5:00 pm EST

Rhet: The NHL said the same things about expansion.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:59 pm EST

Slegs, the current CBA runs until Sept. 15, 2022

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:58 pm EST

Quebec is earmarked for the first failing team to be relocated there. The rumor is Carolina, but Bettman thoroughly denies it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:58 pm EST

.guess it's the loonies ....The NHL has deferred the expansion application by Quebecor and its ownership group in Quebec City...... https://twitter.com/PR_NHL

stevielegs


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:58 pm EST

Rhet: Hayes is a former first rounder as well.....again it really depends on what is averrable and who they take.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:57 pm EST

Re McI being selected by LV. It's probably too early to really speculate - I think there's a far better chance he's moved in the next 48 to 72 hours vs being plucked in the expansion draft. Furthermore, it also depends on who else on the Ranger roster is available - KK, for example, would surely be selected if available, before McI. And just because a player gets selected, it doesn't mean he'll start with LV - he could easily then be flipped elsewhere.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:56 pm EST

Also, they wont need every guy they pick to make big money. They can also sign UFA's and the NHL will also let Las Vegas make trades before the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:56 pm EST

RF4L: The owners (including those north of the border) love American teams. The revenue is worth more....its a business, that is what they think about.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:55 pm EST

BTW, heard the Bruins are shopping for an established d-man, given the steady decline of Chara. Marc Staal would fit in nicely there I think...

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:54 pm EST

Honestly...I could see the guy chosen being Raanta. That would allow they to use more cap on other positions if they want and get a good G. At least a good backup....and they pick 3 goalies....I am not sure what the quality of G will be available....he could be one of the better ones.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:54 pm EST

Wild... they have to pick 1 player each from 30 different teams. 10 of those players don't have to be under contract for 2017-18. McIlrath was a former first round pick. I don't like his odds at all.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:52 pm EST

I posted on here a few days ago about expansion. LV was in and Quebec out and the league wants Seattle as their 32 team, not Quebec, for 3 reasons: 1) Buttman loves American franchises 2) Adding Quebec would really skew the east/west balance 3) As much as the Buttman loathes admitting he's wrong by allowing a team to relocate, it's always nice to have in one's back-pocket and city with an NHL ready arena and potential ownership to move an ailing franchise to. IMO, that's the only way Quebec City gets an NHL team again - a sale and relocate of an existing franchise. There's always at least 1 team in economic turmoil, the most recent being of course, the Hurricanes.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:50 pm EST

Rhet no, it doesn't mean they will not take him. HOWEVER they need those numbers of players under contract, and they need to reach a minimum cap level. McIlrath will not help them accomplish either. So with that, there is a chance, a slight chance, that they would rather take a higher priced player from he Rangers who is under a longer deal. That guy could be Hayes if he is still around, he will be a 3 mil per guy likely, and likely for 2-3 years, and is young as well as a former high pick. But really it all depends on what other players are exposed and what other players they pick.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:44 pm EST

WILD... It is not an out. We have minimum's we have to reach with the guys we make available for the draft. It does not meant that Las Vegas can't pick McIlrath if he was on a 1-year deal. Now, If he was an UFA, that would be something altogether different.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:37 pm EST

Rhet: Lets hope that McIlrath is signed to a 1 year deal....at least 20 players the Vegas teams selects must be under contract for 2017/18 season. If he signs a 1 year deal he will not be, making it a little less likely he is selected.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:37 pm EST

HOSPO: Dumba. You'd love him. Not big, but the guy you want. Offensive skills. Reminds me of Kasperitus in terms of hitting. Just cracks people. It's that RFA that I know will never come and the one I would part with CK for without sneezing.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:26 pm EST

WILD... We are not the only team with these issues. The closer we get to the deadline the tougher it will be to move either player.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:26 pm EST

SCREW SHATTENKIRK!!... Rangers can go Eff themselves with a red hot poker if they trade Kreider.....team remains leaderless and soft and vanilla down the middle until further notice......will be sorry to see Big Mac dealt to Win, Edm or some other place out west..

Hospo


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:21 pm EST

Rhet: Don't forget that there is still the deadline to move a Giradi or Staal....we can't fall into the trap that it MUST happen this weekend.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:19 pm EST

A team can only lose one player in the draft since their is only one Expansion Team, but the NYR will have to protect both Girardi and Staal. That would leave one spot left to protect McDonagh, Klein, McIlrath and any other defenseman they might sign in the offseason.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:12 pm EST

Temp means little...its was 107 around Denver yesterday....doesnt feel much like hockey right now here right now.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:05 pm EST

So Vegas announced. I am here today and it is 108 degrees. The building is beautiful. Still wierd to think about the NHL here.

Bob


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:05 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/the-official-expansion-draft-rules-for-2017/185585916?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter That might be the best breakdown of the expansion rules and info I have yet seen.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 4:01 pm EST

WILD: not neccesarily straight across the board but obviously it's a need. Whether it's the right play? We all know that dance. Not much to make you feel optimistic about much of anything when it comes to the New York Rangers when it comes to acquisitions. Short term pain for long term failed attempts at glory. No team delivers less with more in the NHL.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:59 pm EST

stevielegs: From what I have read, no. A team can only lose one player to the expansion draft.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:58 pm EST

are they allowed more than 1 from any team?......@Real_ESPNLeBrun Vegas to select 30 players in expansion draft: 14 F, 9 D, 3 G

stevielegs


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:54 pm EST

jim9k26: Also I would expect some more rumors to float out after altho expansion stuff dies down. Most of the people who report on rumors have been focusing on that. And tomorrow as GMs get to the draft things will really heat up, but less info will be out there since it will be GM actually literally sitting one on one chatting with less people involved.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:54 pm EST

thanks Wild! It will be interesting to see what plays out over next few days up to the draft and heading into free agency.

jim9k26


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:51 pm EST

jim9k26: What I have seen has seemed vague....that to me leads to some truth to it. Basically its that STL is calling the Rangers and trying to gauge how they can get him. Perhaps it came about de to the Rangers calling about Shattenkirk. It "feels" like its early in the process....and like the teams are keeping tight lips. Likely there are names being tossed about that neither side wants out there unless a deal is reached.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:49 pm EST

mf: I think thats why they will use that fight between QC and Seattle to make it seem like a positive that a team moved. And that team will improve its overall profitability for at least a few years because that new city will be so amped to get a team.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:47 pm EST

can someone expand on those rumours with STL/ Nash -haven't had chance hear anything to date, many thanks in advance!

jim9k26


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:47 pm EST

WC...I agree, and then the league will be subject to another year of these protection constraints. Quebec City and Seattle certainly are in the running, and the NHL is going to continually be a cash strapped laggard pro league until Buttman learns to squeeze more profitability out of each existing franchise...jmon

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:45 pm EST

when's the next lockout?

stevielegs


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:43 pm EST

Vic: I think, although I hate it, McIlrath would go for Shattenkirk....If Nash was part of a trade, I think it would be an expanded trade....if all the rumors go down, it could be an epic deal between STL and NYR, definitely the biggest news of the offseason if it all happens.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:39 pm EST

One reason why I would tend to believe the SHATENKIRK interest is that he is a Right Handed Shot. He would essentially replace BOYLE in the lineup but is a much better player. That would give them SHATENKIRK, GIRARDI, KLIEN down the right side and McDONAGH, STAAL, SKJEI down the left. I can see them being happy with that group of D. Of course they would have to make sure they extend SHATENKIRK as soon as they acquire him. And it also would mean that McILRATH is headed out of town before or during the draft.

Vic


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:39 pm EST

mf: Why not, why do G or Klein have to go? I don't get that.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:38 pm EST

Can't take Shattenkirk without moving Girardi or Klien... No one wants to move Klein....... Just as were talking about replacing a healthy portion of Yankles points with Shattenkirk, we can replace a healthy portion of Nashe's points with Eriksson, who cost nothing but money... In the interim moving Nash gives you the opportunity of restocking p icks and or prospects...

mf


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:29 pm EST

E:So if they get Shattenkirk they replace those points.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:28 pm EST

SO Quebec City expansion is deferred. TO ME that says the NHL hopes to want to expand 1 more team and that there will be a real "war" between QC and Seattle. TO really get some buzz. Than they can use that buzz to make moving a team that is suffering to the city that "lost" the expansion race. That way they can cover another failed team with excitement.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:22 pm EST

RF: similar player. But a need nonetheless. Say what we will about Yandle but he took 40+ points almost all in helpers with him when he went out the door. The guy was a true asset. And his defense became better then advertised. And in a year when the defense itself is in flux, suddenly swiping that many helpers off of the score sheet? It's gonna hurt if it's not addressed. Hurt bad.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 3:18 pm EST

RF4L: Again not in there is the cap hit now vs what it will be with a new deal. And the childhood love of a great Rangers Dman. Those do change the story a bit with this possible deal. I am not guaranteeing anything, but its worth using in the balancing of looking into the possible deal.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 2:58 pm EST

E: Your description of Shittenkirk sounds exactly like that of Yandle when he was acquired.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 2:25 pm EST

RF4L: Another rumor is that the Blues are looking at Nash. That's from A different source than the Shattenkirk tumors. To me that is smoke from two fires that may be burning together. That would remove Nash and his cap hit while taking on a smaller cap hit. Likely however the Rangers would eat a bit of Nash's cap or take on another the Blues don't want. But still, there is a lot of smoke right now between the Rangers and Blues.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 2:12 pm EST

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine..... ESPN sources say that the Hawks are now shopping both No. 12 and No. 21 in tomorrow night's draft

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 2:05 pm EST

RF4L: thee is a massive difference with Shattenkirk and Yandle. Shattenkirk would not take up significantly more cap on the new contract vs the old. It will be easier to create the space. Don't forget, Yandle was only getting 2.5 and change against the cap last year. Shatty would be at 4.5 this yeah and going to about 6 or so, a 1.5 maybe 2 mil increase. That is something that can be overcome easier. That and Shatty has been open about likening the idea of playing near his home, and names Leetch as his idol to use a poor term for it. There is a chance that he would take a slight bit less to be in NY vs other teams. And I mean he takes 6.25 per instead of of 6.5 per. Add to that, Shattenkirk is basically the same as Yandle, very good offensive instincts and scary at times in the defensive zone. I have seen a lot of him in games, and he is worth every penny to help the PP and rushes up the ice.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 22 2016 1:59 pm EST

Pierre LeBrunVerified account ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun...... Milan Lucic via text message says he's headed to UFA market. No deal with Kings. Huge, huge name headed to July 1..... Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun ...... Kings GM Dean Lombardi confirms via text message that Lucic is headed to market.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 1:58 pm EST

Why no to Shattenkirk? I like him. He can be real feisty. Has a little temper. You gotta have someone to rush the puck and know what to do with it when they have it at the point. He knows how to do that. He is cheaper. And I think he has probably got 4-5 years of good hockey in him. I'd like to see a trade for him. I'd also want to make sure he was signed to an extension so the NYR don't dump him for nothing in another year with yet another loss of assets. But the fact that the NYR need mobility off of the blue line is no secret. But I still want Fowler. Younger, with a nasty slapshot. And I'm still smarting over Mcilrath being picked over him. Oh what the hell? Get them both. But get me Dumba over both of them. That guy is gonna be awesome. He is exhibit-A that an intimidating checker isn't directly connected to size. He flat out crushes people and has the speed to hunt you down.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 1:27 pm EST

No thanks to Shittenkirk. Besides, pending UFA ala Yandle.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 1:05 pm EST

MF..... NY Daily News Sports ‏@NYDNSports..... Rangers in pursuit of Blues defenseman Shattenkirk, who would be perfect fit - @PLeonardNYDN http://nydn.us/28QwkRX

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 12:16 pm EST

I saw something a while back about Dolan and it talked about his relationship with Phil Jackson. From what I can see Dolan is loyal to a fault. I'm sure his relationship is also close with Sather. I respected Dolan a lot more afterwards but I found him a very vexing personality. He is very into being a musician more then anything. He is always wanting to win but I think he puts a heavy value on loyalty. Obviously, in the case of Sather we'd all agree that it's too much as his results have been less then stellar as a body of work. But it's clear to me that Dolan wants to win and clearly he doesn't care what the media or fans thinks (which he shouldn't) but I'm not sure what his metrics for performance are. At some point success or failure should be a focus. And despite liking someone, to what end? Makes it look like he treats MSG like an absentee landlord.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 12:05 pm EST

RHET: and FWIW I know teams like to tout records and whatnot but I also think the W/L is irrelevant. You just want your individuals to showcase their skills. There is no time to coach these "teams" into anything cohesive.

E


Wed Jun 22 2016 11:22 am EST

Rhet: Brandon Halverson too (although he might have played last year) and perhaps that Russian goalie? Of the 2, he appears as this point to be the better prospect.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 11:09 am EST

The Rangers will again be playing in the Traverse City Tournament..... The Red Wings have announced that their Traverse City prospects tournament will run from September 16th to September 20th..... The Rangers will once again play in the tournament as will the Wings, Hurricanes, Blackhawks, Blue Jackets, Stars, Wild and Blues..... Last season's Rangers team featured players like Adam Tambellini, Calle Andersson, Ryan Gropp, Ryan Graves and Brady Skjei..... The Rangers were 1-3 last season, scoring 8 goals and allowing 12..... The team this year will likely feature, among others, Pavel Buchnevich, Malte Stromwall, Gropp and players the Rangers select this weekend at the draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 11:08 am EST

Rhet: Why would Dolans give Sather a job for life? Why would Jimmmy Rutherford run an organization into the ground (Carolina) then 16 months after assuming direction for a new organization, win a cup? Why would the GM in Calgary hang on to Iglinla for so long his value when finally traded was less than 1/2 what it could have been? Why would Neil Smith sit on his hands as his owner hands out fat retirement contracts to a slew of mercenaries? Do you honestly believe everything is cut and dried as you appear to be implying? We have no true understanding of what job offers Gorton had nor are we fully cognizant of what he was told/offered by Sather. Hell maybe his family loves NY and balked at any notion of him uprooting them.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 11:01 am EST

The NHL Board of Governors are meeting in LasVegas today and are expected to finalize vote for new team. Also, with the NHL Awards tonight, it's doubtful we see too many trades announced today(or at least until they're over).

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 10:46 am EST

I'm glad I come here to get the inside poop of the inner workings of NYR hierarchy. Why would Jeff Gorton take the same position as GM anywhere else when he can be in NY and have Glen Sather tell him how to do everything. Being your own man is overrated. Who needs facts, when it just "feels like it's true.'

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 22 2016 10:43 am EST

With the 98th pick the NY Rangers Select.... Jeffrey Truchon-Viel LW Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL) 6' 0" 192

MelvilleFred


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:51 am EST

stevie: That's probably true but Gorther, if he's smart and savvy, can use that to his advantage because everyone knows he's shopping, meaning he should be able to play one GM against another (unlike, for example, talking to one GM and accepting a lowball offer for Hagelin!).

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:34 am EST

DREW...LOL. I actually purposely put Gorton's half name first because I like to think for the most part, he's in charge. I remain convinced, howwever, the Sather's still involved and in the end, if/when he elects to speak up, he does and Gorton does as he's told.

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:30 am EST

I'm pretty sure the gm sharks smell fishboy's desperate blood ....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:22 am EST

Thank you RF, Jen Saton, Gleff Gorther. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. I'll stick with Gorther as you deserve the respect as the pioneer of this moniker. ; D

DREW


Wed Jun 22 2016 8:13 am EST

DREW: One minor correction - it's Gleff Gorther.... ;^)

RF4L


Wed Jun 22 2016 7:26 am EST

Great posts everyone. I know this would cause heads to explode but I don't think this tinker / rebuild roster adjustment is considered complete by October. I don't think teams are lining up to do the Rangers any favors. If Nash starts the season on the Rangers. Stays healthy, why not move him at the deadline in 2017? For us fans it sucks because (I'll admit it), we like to see this team move on its rebuild / retool sooner rather than later. If this is truly a transition year, maybe going into the season with some of these assets will get us better returns. Now if we are on the cusp of a playoff birth, that's where, to borrow RF4L's thought, Gorth Gorton has to show some balos, palle, and balls.

DREW


Wed Jun 22 2016 6:56 am EST

I was just thinking about another possibility while traveling yesterday. It has been discussed here in the past but I wonder if there is a trade possibility with Edmonton regarding RNH. It is fairly clear he will be the odd man out in Edmonton. They need help on D but they also need help for McDAVID. I wonder if a RNH for NASH deal makes sense for both sides and is something both would consider. It might even have to be a bit bigger for both sides to feel like they are getting equal value. Something like NASH and McILRATH for RNH and Edmonton's 2nd round pick. That would also mean that one of BRASSARD or STEPAN would have to be dealt but I think there is a strong possibility of that happening anyway. Again, I'm not saying I think RNH is the answer for the Rangers at Center but he would be a talent upgrade for sure. I'm also not saying that I want to deal McILRATH. Just musing about what it would take to get a deal like that done. And on the surface it would be a deal that helps both sides in the short term, and possibly long term.

Vic


Wed Jun 22 2016 12:24 am EST

Staal ($5.7 Mil), Girardi ($5.5 Mil) or Goligoski ($5.475)??? ....Per Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie .... Alex Goligoski's AAV on his 5-year contract with ARI will be $5.475M.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 9:28 pm EST

If that's true than my conclusion is he thinks he can get stamkos .

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 8:57 pm EST

Rhet: LB stating the obvious again but does say it quite effectively. The other choices? Tinker (some on here want that) or blow it up (some on here want that, too). It's safe to bet that the latter is premature - if that's going to happen we likely have to see this season go array and perhaps even the hext. So it's tinkering or actually cut at the core. Does Gorther have the gonads for anything but tinkering? The next few days are gonna tell us....

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 8:29 pm EST

"But the counterintuitive reality confronting Gorton is that in order to give the Rangers a face lift on the fly that will afford the team a chance to contend for a Stanley Cup in Henrik Lundqvist’s age 34/35 season, the general manager is going to have to be willing to trade two or three of his best players — we’re talking Rick Nash, Derek Stepan, Chris Kreider and Kevin Klein — in order to get it done." .....http://nypost.com/2016/06/21/truth-behind-rangers-gms-reset-plan-stars-must-be-traded/

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:49 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie .... PA enacted 5% escalator following hearty debate. Decision allowed cap to increase from $71.4M to $73M rather than decrease to low 69's.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:43 pm EST

Tom Gulitti ‏@TomGulittiNHL ..... NHL and NHLPA announce 2016-17 salary cap set at $73 million.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:11 pm EST

Bob McKenzie on @TSN1050Radio while he's in Vegas....About Malkin-#Blackhawks: "I think Stan Bowman is laughing about that one. I know Jimmy Rutherford is." .....McKenzie: "No. Malkin is not being traded. It's not even being talked about. But those rumors get out there." #Pens #Blackhawks

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:06 pm EST

@rangersreport No Callahan for Torts' Team USA. Had labral tear surgery. Out five months.

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:05 pm EST

Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay Again. Trust me, not a 'rumor', told that the Hawks are checking Malkin out and wondering if a deal can work https://twitter.com/DobberHockey/status/745367591762296832 …

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:55 pm EST

Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance ..... Hearing Coyotes and defenseman Alex Goligoski closing in on a five-year deal in the neighborhood of $5.5 million per season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:37 pm EST

Rhet: I think that's more of Saal being like the entire family seems to be. Polite and well spoken. There are 40 teams he has not ruled out at this point I imagine.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:31 pm EST

Well Pens, you snooze, you lose..... Kevin ODonnell Fox13 ‏@ODonnellFox13 ..... "Reports out of Canada have a deal in the works for the #Lightning to trade Ben Bishop to the Calgary Flames."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:29 pm EST

This is what happens when no one wants you... Bwa-ha-ha-ha......SNYRangers ‏@SNYRangers ...... "Eric Staal hasn't ruled out coming back to the Rangers http://dlvr.it/LcdC5H "

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:27 pm EST

Why the heck would MAF ever waive his NMC to go to Calgary?...AND are the Penguins f-ing serious with the pick???...... Per theScore ‏@theScore..... The Penguins are reportedly asking for the Flames' 1st-round pick for Marc-Andre Fleury. http://thesco.re/28LA0WR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:25 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏@drosennhl ...... In his statement announcing his retirement, Vinny Lecavalier thanked the Lightning and the Kings. No mention of the Flyers.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 4:44 pm EST

moof i think chicafella helped him get chara.....the only thing expanding is fishboy's wallet...time to earn his pay.....saton live in the past...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 4:14 pm EST

Slegs: Was there an expansion draft that year? where the rules the same? Better head over to Mrs, Stahls for a knish,,,,, Oh wait, they're long gone......

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 4:04 pm EST

"While it’s unclear which measures Gorton will take to shake up the Rangers, fans should be mindful of how he masterminded a revitalization of the Boston Bruins while serving as interim GM in 2006. Gorton drafted or acquired Tuukka Rask, Brad Marchand, Milan Lucic, Zdeno Chara, Phil Kessel and Marc Savard that summer. The bulk of these moves paid off handsomely when the Bruins lifted the Stanley Cup in 2011. It’s time for Rangers fans to fasten their seat beats. This could be an offseason like no other in recent memory."......http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/21/hartnett-new-york-rangers-summer-shakeup/

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 3:34 pm EST

Bob: Tell Gorton to stop licking Sather's boots and punch Buttman in the weaselly chin. Thx!

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 3:30 pm EST

tear half this mutha down, and get some high picks even if we have to overpay, get that 2nd & 3rd, and fill in with UFA's.... and if some of those UFA's get called away when Bettman adds the "Sahara Bedouins", so be it....................

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 3:26 pm EST

WC: that's $25.5 mill, a damn good start. Tading T.Glass & not re-inking Dom Moore, another positive, although I'd accept Moore as the 13th forward.....

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 3:17 pm EST

Watch....Nash, Stepan and Staal/Giradi will all get moved in separate trades over the next 3 hours now. LOL

Wildcard


Tue Jun 21 2016 3:16 pm EST

trade wise we are hitting the blackout period due to the awards. GMs and such are not heir way to Vegas for the awards. Scouts and assistants who are not going to the awards are headed to the draft where everyone heads right after the awards, so with everyone in transit today and tomorrow little talking will be done, and nothing much finalized likely. Add to that the NHL gets teams to hold back even coaching hires on awards day, its after the awards that news comes out. Thats likely when we will hear about expansion as well. I am sure the NHL wants that to be its own thing and not distracted from by trades. SO I bet the next 24-36 hours will be very quiet.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 21 2016 2:51 pm EST

Hey RF4L--I am in Vegas for a hockey showcase and will be heading over to the Hard Rock to scope out the trophies with some of the kids. Any messages for Mr. Gorton or Mr. Bettman should I run into them? LOL!

Bob


Tue Jun 21 2016 2:00 pm EST

Well regardless of how one views the Yandle situation, at least it served to bump the goddamn Cup-holding Pens off of the NY Post hockey splash screen. I'd been throwing up in my mouth a little bit each morning as I loaded that site.

LeoS


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:42 pm EST

BTW, I'll happily eat a plate of crow if/when AV plays McI in his top 6 regularly starting this fall.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:40 pm EST

TD: Oh I recall the noise - I'm talking about my take on the situations. The treatment of McI has been considerably more harsh and therefore, counter-productive compared to Miller. Some of Miller's play/behaviour in fact warranted the farming out. With McI, he's not be afforded nearly the same leash, as documented quite well by Vic earlier today. What's maddening is how composed and effective he was when he did get a stretch of games (when injuries basically gave AV no choice but to dress McI), yet he still got pressboxed after that despite the shoddy play of G and B. Hell, it even extended into the POs - the only game McI dressed in they won and he played fine. What happens subsequently? He's pressboxed for a hobbling G and then watches in game 5 as Diaz gets HIS FIRST GAME OF THE FREAKIN" SEASON! Reprehensible IMO and reeks of a coach not liking a player and refusing to use him unless forced with no other option.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:27 pm EST

RF4L - Agree with Wild. You have a very selective memory when it comes to the travails of MILLER...The guy was bounced around like a yo yo. The only difference was that Miller could get sent down and McI couldn't. And here on the wall, the general perception was that Miller was going to get traded or that Miller was a bust...now I don't think Mack has nearly the same ceiling as Miller and I admit, he's not exactly the type of defenseman that fits into AV's system...but obviously that's gotta change otherwise we won't have AV around much longer...

tdchi


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:11 pm EST

Vic: Here's a question for your next poll: Who's gone from RangerLand first - AV or McI?

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:10 pm EST

mf: It would be quite amusing if Stamkos resigns with Tampa after almost an entire year of talk about him hitting the UFA market....

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:08 pm EST

If AV does not give MCILRATH a full & fair shot to be a regular with the Rangers, I'm done following the Rangers & Hockey... The time can be better spent elsewhere..............

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:06 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-lightning-continue-to-seek-long-term-deal-with-stamkos-wont-trade-rights/

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 11:29 am EST

Wild: Well I certainly didn't. I do recall questioning Miller's hockey sense because of the boneheaded plays he often made, but I wasn't after AV for having him rot away in the pressbox while 2 veterans players who were clearly inferior (at the time) got shift after shift after shift. You can cite the Miller example and the alleged clamour on here about him all you want; I stand by my belief that AV isn't not a fan of McI and won't use him unless he's got absolutely no other options.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 10:50 am EST

Re: YANKLE: Florida's Brian Campbell 37 y/o (LHS) is now an UFA who's cap hit was $7.143 mill...... SO, it's not far fetched to think they are shopping for his replacement and they've spent that amount on that position in the past.......

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 10:15 am EST

Rhet / NN: as a follow up to this NMC topic, here's my point...... The rules are clearly stated, however: take a guy like Hartnell, signed for 3 additional years with a full NMC.. He agrees to waive it so that he can be moved. The acquiring team can choose to honor the NMC or the player can choose to waive the clause; what I'm asking / suggesting is could the Rangers and the player "re-negotiate" the terms on the NMC clause of the contract? For instance, the Rangers may say we're willing to honor the 1st yr of the remaining 3 years of the NMC but not years 2 & 3 of the clause......... "IF" the players & the team acquiring the player with the NMC CAN re-negotiate the NMC, it may help sort this expansion fiasco out.....

mf


Tue Jun 21 2016 9:44 am EST

RF4L: Seriously....I mean for real. This wall blew up over and over because AV was playing vets who had no businesses in the NHL over Miller. And they recalled journeymen over Miller from the AHL and he got a seat the game after he had a great game and scored. You are revising history to further your current argument. Many on Thai wall thought Miller was absolutely gone in the offseason because AV hated him.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 21 2016 8:31 am EST

BTW, we speculated last season that there is indeed a problem with Gorton and AV. And I used Gorton's name on purpose - I think Sather still has a huge role in things like that. AV is a Sather hire and of course this is pure conjecture but I wouldn't be surprised if we learned that Gorton wanted AV gone but Sather intervened. That 2 headed Gleff Gorther monster is not a good thing IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 8:27 am EST

TD: There's no way Miller was treated by AV like McI has been. IMO, not even close. It's ludicrous that McI sat in the pressbox while Girardi and Boyle both sucked endlessly if the coach actually believes in the player.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 8:12 am EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/the-rangers-seem-to-be-doing-the-most-talking-around-the-league/185146752

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:56 am EST

Vic/RF4L - People were saying the same exact things about MILLER and now he's being called an untouchable on a roster that is due change. Look, I'm not going to say the Rangers WON'T move McILRATH...just that it would make ZERO sense...I mean ZILCHO...for them to keep him for an entire year if he wasn't in their plans for the future...to accept that a coach "doesn't like" a player and said player spends an entire calendar year on the team is to say one of two things: Either their is a chasm-like void between the GM's office and the coach or the Rangers are purposely trying to stifle a kid's career...both are absolutely ridiculous. The Rangers have moved former prospects for less...and in Mack's case, I'm sure they could have found a suitor had they looked. As Bob said, he's the type of player a team like Anaheim would eat up. So they're just going to sit on one of 50 professional contracts because someone in the organization doesn't like the player? BS. Guys who are on the outs with the coaching squad on this team don't stay on it for very long. Sather has never been bashful about getting rid of guys he doesn't see any future in. What you have in Mack is a kid who's development exploded in 2014-2015 and who came into a system where he wasn't a perfect fit with a coach who is fiercely loyal to veterans...if he gets moved this summer, it'll be because the Rangers are getting something back they feel is much better...as for SKJEI on the right side..again..never going to happen. AV was grasping at straws...and look how well starting Skjei on the right side panned out.

tdchi


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:52 am EST

Regarding Yandle and the Panthers - it seems logical to assume his agent was permitted to contact whatever teams he wanted to gauge interest, especially if Yandle ends up signing in FLA.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:47 am EST

Stevie..... It makes sense. Only a couple of teams could afford to pay Yandle(that he'd be willing to go to); All 30 teams can afford to Pay Vesey on his first contract. More teams interested, it's much easier to drive the price up.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:33 am EST

IMO the case of AV against McI is overwhelming. Vic just clearly stated the facts from last year and I've posted on here too many times about how AV preferred AHL lifer Kostagoal over McI the previous year. Yes, it'll be surprising as hell (to me) if McI is a regular Ranger this fall.

RF4L


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:30 am EST

they get a 3rd for that kid but have until 8/15 , nyr get a 6th and maybe a 4th next year if he signs with them for yandle.....otherwise just a 6th ....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:16 am EST

The Nashville Predators have traded the rights to Harvard forward and pending UFA Jimmy Vesey for a third round pick. Vesey is set to be a UFA on August 15th but the Sabres have been rumored as one of the top teams interested in signing him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 7:04 am EST

E and TD: Continuing from last night, I'm not saying that is the way I want things. What I'm saying is that is what I'm predicting based on the evidence from last year. I don't think AV "hates" McILRATH or dislikes him at all. Probably far from it. However, I don't think AV likes McILRATH's game compared to what he sees as the ideal D for his system. I think he was forced to keep McILRATH up with the squad last year because they couldn't send him back to the AHL and GORTHER didn't want to deal him yet or couldn't get the return they were looking for. I think it was obvious that AV preferred to play a crippled GIRARDI over McILRATH even though McILRATH was playing really well at the time that GIRARDI was playing poorly and playing hurt. I think it was obvious that AV chose to play a geriatric and at times pathetic BOYLE over McILRATH as well. Especially in the Spring when McIRLATH couldn't get into the lineup to save his life. But the icing on the cake was when AV chose to play SKJEI on his off side IN PLAYOFF GAMES over dressing McILRATH even though SKJEI had just a handful of NHL games under his belt and was far less experienced then McILRATH. And when McILRATH did get into a game in the playoffs due to injuries the Rangers played their best game. But he was yanked immediately back out of the lineup the next game anyway. All of that tells me that AV would rather have SKJEI playing the right side over McILRATH. The Rangers have options in BODIE, GRAVES and SUMMERS on the left side. Any one of them could step in and play in the bottom pair next year. They have NOTHING on the right side that is borderline NHL ready. So having SKJEI play the right side really helps in that respect as well. Again, all of this is just a prediction based on where things are today. It could all change drastically tomorrow. If the Rangers deal McILRATH.....if the Rangers bring in another right side D, etc.... I have no idea what the plan is and from what I've seen of this organization over the last several years I don't believe there is anything resembling what I would call a Plan. They make too many high risk, low reward deals under pressure. And they make too many deals that could be considered good only in the extreme short term, but will clearly be bad for the organization when evaluated by any standard beyond "today". That tells me that they manage by the minute with no real plan. Well, I'm off on the road today. Have a great day everyone.

Vic


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:28 am EST

stevielegs - very good point. FAST was the pick we got in exchange for SANGUINETTI...other notable sixth rounders: Marek ZIDLICKY, Mike YORK and I was about to say Hank LUNDQVIST, but turns out he was picked in the seventh round.

tdchi


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:22 am EST

Ola - The point is, the guy was a passable defenseman on good days. The bad? Ugh. Ce La Vi. Such is life. Yandle is gone. The Rangers' PP will suffer slightly, but their defense won't miss him at all.

tdchi


Tue Jun 21 2016 6:01 am EST

Going to be a couple weeks of saton trying to retool for his tool coach and the cap mess which should go to $73.49 mil possibly . Either it will be another kick at the can or a kick in the can....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 5:37 am EST

Hagelin and fast 6 th round ....http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007089.html

stevielegs


Tue Jun 21 2016 1:59 am EST

TDCHI- It is actually irrelevant to talk about Yandle being a 3rd pairing D for us. As a fact, he got the most O zone starts and the least D zone starts and the difference between the rest of the starts and Yandle and Girardi/Klein/Staal/Boyle are only a few sec. The only big difference in ice time comes from Yandle not PKing. Look at the numbers.

Ola


Tue Jun 21 2016 1:50 am EST

Nick Forrester ‏@NickForrester13 (Sports Illustrated NOW).... Hearing reports that Anaheim is going after Rick Nash, not clear on all details but Cam Fowler is in the mix.... To be clear on last tweet regarding Nash/Fowler, it's just a conversation at this point, nothing finalized yet

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 1:17 am EST

Bob McKenzieVerified account.... ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie .... I always stand to be corrected if wrong, but I don't believe ANA and NYR are talking about this rumored deal: @TSNBobMcKenzie I've seen a few Nash for Fowler rumors floating around, your take on it?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 1:14 am EST

MF/NN..... The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers..... This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)..... If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified.... If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 21 2016 12:44 am EST

Duclair and a #1 for Chris Summers and a #6 and no cup in NY.

Bob


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:59 pm EST

YANDLE: Supposed Power play threat that connected on 3% of his shots forthe year...there is a reason Coyotes are not even looking at YANDLE reprise...he is a great passer and nothing else....3rd pairing defenseman for a team that couldn't move the puck...He never improved the NYRs enough to justify the expense.. enjoy your time in Miami KY (jelly)... good riddance

schneidw


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:37 pm EST

NN: It looks like the CBA may have overlooked language relating to the possibility of a league extension during the last NHL / CBA…. (I’m going to keep my eyes & ears open to any special details that may result this offseason .....http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf ............ 11.8 Individually Negotiated Limitations on Player Movement. (a) The SPC of any Player who is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent under Article 10.1(a) may contain a no-Trade or a no-move clause. SPCs containing a no-Trade or a no-move clause may be entered into prior to the time that the Player is a Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agent so long as the SPC containing the no-Trade or no-move clause extends through and does not become effective until the time that the Player qualifies for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency. If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof. ............................................................................................. (c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's Buy-Out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twentyfour (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:13 pm EST

The reason YANDLE got third-pairing d-shifts when it was 5-on-5 was because the guy was the weakest defenseman on the left side by a pretty large margin. To his credit, he often ended up paired with BOYLE, which made his warts seem a lot bigger...but the truth is, he was brought in to bolster the PP. What happened instead was that he was a contributing part of why the Rangers D sucked so bad last year. In order of impact, I would say the Rangers' D last year was awful because of 1. GIRARDI'S precipitous decline; 2. because Dan Boyle was WAY over the hill; and 3. because Yandle is an adventure on D who turned over the puck almost as much as he moved it....want a really telling stat folks? Yandle turned over the puck 76 times. That's for the team lead, BTW...Some sorry-ass team is going to pay this guy $7.5 million over the next five or six years...and they better hope to hell they have five other D-men who are worth their weight in gold...Yandle helped boost the PP from 22nd overall in the NHL to 14th...the power play went from scoring 16. 4 percent of the time to 18.22 percent... which is a move in the positive direction, but not to the extent that the PP would be considered anything more than slightly above average. In contrast, the PK went from 6th in the league at 84.3 percent and dropped down to 78.4 percent...almost six percentage points...for 26th in the league...was the PK Yandle's fault? No. But AV learned really early on that he couldn't skate Yandle on the man down...and now here's an impressive stat to demonstrate that: He skated 4 minutes TOTAL last season on the PK...even Dan Boyle skated more short-handed than Yandle...so yeah, it'll suck not having a guy who can QB from the point and rush the puck...two things Yandle did well...but man, was he a POS on D....so I'm sorry if I ain't crying about his departure...but I say don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out, Keith. Rangers just got defensively stronger with his deadbeat ass gone. And they're saving $2.75 million in cap space.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:07 pm EST

DOUBLEN: it was that way under the last CBA. Not sure with this one. That's a loophole that players may have filled as part of a deal getting something from owners. But someone will know.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:04 pm EST

Wildcard, add BB to the overpaid list. We are saying same thing. Cally/BB are monitory reasons why Stamkos will be a UFA. That's said, i think issues in TB are way bigger then cap space.

andrei


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:01 pm EST

MF: Once the player waives the NMC, isn't it gone. Isn't it the new team that can reinstate it. I think Hartnell would be attractive to alot of teams since after the upcoming season he would have 2 years left on his contract; $4.75 cap hit..hello expansion draft. I can see him picked..vet player, he has a great out going personality for Vegas.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:52 pm EST

I get why people look back and say the Yandle deal was a waste. But how many teams make a trade that doesn't work out as hoped? Even some of these GMs that get so much love on this wall. Steve Y In TB for instance, already he is getting constant praise.....he has won just as many cups as as the Rangers have recently right....and we don't know if they will even make it back to the ECF with out Stamkos next season or not (if he goes away) But he is being hailed as a top GM and every move he makes is looked at with awe. But for some reason the fact that he signed Cally for enough to make it nearly impossible to sign Stamkos...who would be better to have, Cally or Stamkos? But no one wants to point to that when it comes to him....every GM has ups and downs...and Gordon has been in charge like one year...give him some time to show his stuff...

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:49 pm EST

WILD: Check out Yandle's icetime in Feb when McDonagh was injured; it also went up in March, don't remember who was injured then, but it did seem if their was a Ranger d-man injured, then Yandle's ice time went up.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:48 pm EST

Re: trading players with NMC's: A player may choose to waive his NMC, ie: CBJ's Hartnell in part or in entirety... For me this is pretty interesting, because the team receiving the player with the NMC can now try to re-negotiate that part of the contract to effectuate the transaction..... Very interesting............. Rhet ?

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:38 pm EST

tdchi, honestly, i don't care what Rangers gave up to get Yandle. They got to game 7 of the Eastern Conf, winning a Presents Trophy, in the process, playing game 7 at home. You can't asked for more. Yandle played well during the playoffs. So trade was good. Where i would agree about the stupidity of the Rangers brass, is that they should have traded him during the trade deadline. They would have gotten back everything they paid to get him... Instead, there was this stupid believe that team is good enough, and that they have another run in them.. At minimum, we would have gotten a 1st rounder and a a very good prospect. Instead, we kept Yandle and traded 2 2nd rounders for Staal....

andrei


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:33 pm EST

IM still trying to justify his ice time. It sure didn't seem like he was playing that much, but the stats say otherwise. I really think that some of us were a bit harder on AV about Yandle than necessary....seems he used him a lot more than even me, mr Rangers colored glasses, ever realized.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:30 pm EST

Deal is Yandle for a 6th this year and a 4th next if he signs with the Panthers. Better than nothing but dumb and dumber to get to this point....

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:21 pm EST

OK. Facts. Handle had the 4th most 5 on 5 ice time. the MOST PP ice time. (This is per game played) the ONLY thing he was not in the top 4 at was PK time. SO how is it he was on the 3rd pair, and not the PP guy when only 3 players had more 5 on 5 time and no one had more PP time. The "3rd pair" would have less ice time than a top 4 D correct? I mean unless I am mistaken and one half of the 3rd pair gets more ice time than one of the 2nd pair guys 5 on 5 and being on the second unit means you get more PP ice time....I don't know...but that sounds odd to me. YES AV didn't always deploy him seemingly well, but his ice time says that he was used more than any other D on the PP and only a couple less shifts per game overall than the top D (McD had 3 more shifts per game total) and a few shifts less per game than only 3 D 5 on 5.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:05 pm EST

Higgy: Your points about where Yandle have validity. Can you talk to the coach? I mean, why the hell did AV keep the guy on the 3rd pairing for so long? Makes no sense. Just as his inane decision to have E Staal play on the 3rd line made no sense. But no worries, he's back this season (and will no doubt grind McI into oblivion).

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:04 pm EST

Wiosa... I've seen the Nash/Fowler thing elsewhere, I believe Hockeypress purloined it from someone else.... As far as the Stepan rumor I read today, G or S may be involved if we moved Stepan/Fast to CBJ... They've also talked about the 3rd overall pick in the draft.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:04 pm EST

Here's a good way to look at YANDLE: He was on the ice for 47 Ranger goals...five of which he scored himself. He was also on the ice for 51 opponents' goals. He was one of THREE Rangers who finished the season with a negative differential...the other two? Dom MOORE and Tanner GLASS. You want to cry about Yandle? Cry about what the Rangers traded for his dumbass. Other than that, screw him. The guy NEVER SHOT THE PUCK. He'd pass it into the boards before he'd take a shot at an empty net. Dynamic puck mover? Yes. Great passer? Yes.. But man, the guy had ROCKS FOR BRAINS. Just a total goddamn moron when it came to deciding whether to shoot or pass. I have zero problem trading Yandle. Wish we did it last summer or this winter...but losing BOYLE and Yandle just upgraded our defense overnight. Add in the fact that SKJEI will likely take his spot on left and I'd say this deal is a winner, even though we seriously got pummeled in the deal with Arizona.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 9:02 pm EST

It doesn't matter, he should've been on the first unit. And 4th on D. That beats 38 year old Boyle and Rookie Skjei or Mcilrath. That doesn't say much. He wasn't as bad defensively as everyone says, he's also a great skater. Should've been 2nd with how bad Staal and G were this year.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:58 pm EST

Higgy: Stepan just might be the leader of this team and if so, kudos to him stepping up (and where the heck is McD). That said, geeesh, does that empitamize one of the big problems on this team. It would be nice if a Ranger leader could actually make a difference on a consistent basis in close games....*SIGH*

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:56 pm EST

Higgy: What are you talking about. He had the 4th most time on ice per game for all the D, only 2 or 3 less shifts the the D ahead of him per game. He also lead the rangers D on PP ice time per game. He was also 4th in time on ice per game for 5 on 5. He just didn't get short handed time, hence the 4th most total ice time per game.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:54 pm EST

Where's Bryan McCabe these days??

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:54 pm EST

Where's Bryan McCabe these days??

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:52 pm EST

Listen, Yandle had 47 pts under AV. Now that says a lot, especially when he wasn't even on the first unit. This team doesn't know what the f--- they r doing. Stepan is biggest leader on this team, yet he'll be the next to go. I just don't understand. Yandle is more valuable than Kreids, Miller, and Hayes together, losing Yandle is mind boggling, when there is nobody that can replace him. And if the Islanders get JVR, I'm really gonna lose it.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:47 pm EST

Higgy: What made you just say that?

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:46 pm EST

How do we not get Cam Fowler now. Who's gonna run the PP? Dan Boyle.... Come on down!

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:24 pm EST

I read McD was an untouchable....as untouchable as anyone but Hank.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:16 pm EST

Read somewhere the only untouchables are Skjei, Miller, Kreider, Lundqvist and Buchnevich...Note that McDonagh's name ain't in there...

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:13 pm EST

Vic - Wrong on SKJEI moving to the right. AV might shift him to the right in a pinch, but no way do they play him on his off-side. Very few coaches do that with their regular pairings...and I can't even remember the last time a Ranger coach did unless it was because of injury or some other extenuating circumstance...Skjei will be on the left. Question is, who else will be over there? Suspect they're going to try to get another puck mover. If STAAL goes, I suppose I could see BODIE getting a shot. More than likely he remains as a seventh d-man/callup...GRAVES starts the season in Hartford. Would bet my bottom dollar.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:10 pm EST

WIOSA, You should get the deductible back from the cabs insurance, he's lucky you aren't taking him to court. His company will have to take up the damages. It's better for you this way too because when it comes time and you want to sell the car you would have a lot of trouble selling a car that was close to destroyed. Also once a car is banged up like that troubles just don't stop coming. Enjoy the new car. on a side note man you hate Kreider, never understood that one considering you like Nash.

York18


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:09 pm EST

Fred/Wild I know who you mean, spellcheck be damned. I dont like Kreider. He's a promise, always a promise. Im sure he's a nice guy, but he is so damn inconsistent. You count on him, and he will always let you down. I would like to get a good pick or player for him NOW, while his value and talents are still questionable. Just as always, MHO

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:58 pm EST

Rhet: Or his agent is using the Panthers to set the price he will start at with other teams.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:54 pm EST

E.... I bet they sign him..... Cam Tucker @CamTucker_Metro Panthers.... GM Tom Rowe says contract for newly acquired Keith Yandle is being negotiated tonight.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:54 pm EST

Damn Spell Check Kreider

MelvilleFred


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:53 pm EST

If these assholes trade Greider I give up......

MelvilleFred


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:52 pm EST

And with the 81st pick the NY Rangers select Dimitry Sokolov LW Sudbury and the CUP was secured.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:49 pm EST

WIOSA: why do you hope for that? Cruder is one of the fastest guy in the NHL and is a 20 goal guy ad about a half point per game guy, he also has little to no drop off in the post season so far in his career.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:48 pm EST

WIOSA: why do you hope for that? Cruder is one of the fastest guy in the NHL and is a 20 goal guy ad about a half point per game guy, he also has little to no drop off in the post season so far in his career.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:48 pm EST

ON an off note. YORKIE...the insurance company totaled my car. I was upset. BUT, they said the three airbags that went off are specialized and the one under the seat is hard to reinstall. That alone was close to 10K. So, I now have a brand new car, but it cost me $500.00. Hopefully theyll get my deductible back from the Cab Company's insurance.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:45 pm EST

NHLrumorsdaly reports NYR taking calls from Ottawa, Buffalo, and Winnipeg on Kreider. Please let that one be true. Probably not. http://thehockeywriters.com/potential-chris-kreider-trade-destinations/

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:39 pm EST

The Nash/Fowler rumor was the Hockeypress.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:36 pm EST

Oh, okay on the rumors. I am NOT connected to anyone who has an in...im repeating something told to me on another site. Ill hold off..honestly I cant swear to their validity.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:32 pm EST

WIOSA: Like I said, if its the 3rd overall, that would at least be in the ballpark.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:30 pm EST

Wiild...oh, okay gotcha on Fowler. Just looked up Hartnell. Geesh we're supposed to be getting younger and faster this guy is 34. I hope it's just a bad rumor.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:29 pm EST

A favor to those posting rumors: can you source them when you present them? Sometimes during these times of year internet conjecture gets mixed in with legitimate stuff. I don't even care if the source is dubious like Garrioch or even @joerumordouchehat. It just gives us a framing for how much validity to put into something. Thanks guys!!!

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:28 pm EST

tied to the rangers....got lazy and didn't really make that a complete sentence.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:27 pm EST

WIOSA: I can say right now that there is no way the Rangers make that trade...unless thats THE 3rd overall and not a 3rd rounder...

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:27 pm EST

Wild ??? tied?

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:25 pm EST

tlats...CBJ a third and Hartnell. Have no idea who Hartnell is or how he plays.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:24 pm EST

VIC: I just can't go down this road with you. Defense is the key to possession. A possession game is what AV wants and I want him to deploy. I've argued up and down McIlrath and AV's feelings about him. But it's just the same argument I had a year before with JT Miller. So I'll leave that as it is. The bottom line with the defense is that they had a defenseman who was good for 45-50 points locked. Now they don't. That will hurt up and down the lineup. On the PP you can always bring a forward to the point but you still need a defenseman there as well. And right now on top of two defenseman who possession is a foreign language added to a monster whose best asset is to separate the carrier from the puck and make a first pass, a perpetually banged up captain. The defense is a disaster with a big INC. If this team goes in with this defense not only will they be easily punted from the playoffs but they'll be struggling to get there as is. So, it's all about defense to me. Without it being remade say good night because it's gonna be an 82-game bumpy ride.

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:23 pm EST

Fowler has been tied many times

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:22 pm EST

tlats,,trying to get info on that (of course this is all rumor) but he's also saying Nash might go to Anaheim for Fowler

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:17 pm EST

Anything on what will be coming back?

tlats


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:07 pm EST

Rumors flying that the CBJ are pushing hard for Stepan and Fast.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:55 pm EST

VIC: with Yankle all but gone, I think you're reaching with SKJEI playing the "right side." All the excuses for not dressing McIlrath more often are gone... His knee is healthy, Boyle is gone, he's cap friendly, we need his snarl, and, if you watched him closely, he stick-handles pretty damn well in tight.... jmon

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:44 pm EST

E: Regarding the Rangers D and the right side, I posted earlier that I expect that SKJEI will be penciled in on the right side next year unless he proves he can't handle it. I think they really liked the way he played on the right side and that addresses a big need. I'd love it if AV gave McILRATH a chance but I don't see that happening. If he can get SKJEI on the right side that opens up a left side spot for a potential trade addition. If they can't find a trade partner I wouldn't be surprised to see them go into the season trying either SUMMERS or BODIE as the 3rd pair left side D. Of course FOWLER would be ideal but I think the Rangers need MUCH more help with the group of forwards then the do with the D.

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:38 pm EST

RF: You know that I am in complete "agreeance" on the stupidity of the YANDLE trade from the beginning. But once it was made I thought it was insane to even start this past year with him on the Roster and posted repeatedly about it last summer. It was obvious that one of two things were going to happen if he remained on the roster. They were either going to have to trade him at the deadline (if they had any brains at all) or they were going to lose him for nothing (or almost nothing as the case may be). So stupid and unforgivable that we ended up where we are today with this stiff. But there it is.....

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:34 pm EST

BUT WAIT!!!!! YANDLE LOVES IT IN NY!!!! Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:33 pm EST

By Thursday (6/23), Bettman, deputy commissioner Bill Daly and the other 30 owners will be heading to Buffalo, New York, for Friday’s 2016 NHL Entry Draft. It is an exercise in which Foley’s team will participate in a year...

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:27 pm EST

Bill Foley to stay low key as wait for Las Vegas NHL team is almost over ......By STEVE CARP LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL..... If you thought Wednesday’s expected news that Las Vegas is finally getting major league professional sports will trigger a mass celebration, guess again. Bill Foley, the billionaire businessman who has waited 2 1/2 years for the NHL to grant him a team, has a matter of hours left to lay low before he and the city can rejoice. The league’s 30 owners will be arriving in Las Vegas on Tuesday and will meet Wednesday morning at Encore to deliberate, then vote on expansion to Las Vegas. Foley, who is prepared to pay $500 million to join the NHL, will lead the league’s 31st team and begin play in 2017-18............http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/hockey-vegas/bill-foley-stay-low-key-wait-las-vegas-nhl-team-almost-over

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:13 pm EST

Moof just look at the cost of living in ny vs Fla etc .... And what a 1 mil house here vs 1 mil there in other states and in Canada .... It is what it is but it's not parity in reality . ... When is the NHL expanding into Mexico ? ... Don't drink the water ....just skate on it frozen ....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:10 pm EST

I really don't understand what Florida did here. Almost every time I see these rights trades made the player still goes to the open market. FWIW, the guys at NHL radio Initially thought he was going to the Sabres regardless. There must've been enough truth for Nashville to sell his rights BUT Vesey's agent says he is gonna take offers anyway and see what he can get on the market.

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:06 pm EST

So SLEGS: What are saying? An avg of all the state & city's income taxes should be averaged and each athlete assessed equally regardless on income amount and tax bracket?

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:04 pm EST

schneidw: what's this pro-rated redistribution of wealth about state income tax? That's BS! The state has an enormous tourism and agricultural industry & they manage their budget and athletes shouldn't be able to take that perk into consideration? PaLeeeeze

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:56 pm EST

Schneidw therein lies the bs of the cap and parity in buttman's pea brain ... Equal is not equal ... Be careful though he might invent buttcoin...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:55 pm EST

schneidw:I have always said the cap should be based on moneys received after taxes. It would be a "lower" number than it sits at now, but it would reflect what palters actually make not what they are paid pre tax.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:54 pm EST

AFAIC, winnipeg can have anyone on our roster for that 2nd pick, including McDonagh........ AND I'd take on plenty of The CBJ's bad contracts (except for Clarkson) for that 3rd overall pick......... We can then turn around and dump Nash to free up the Cap Space..... And Higgy, "IF" Staal & Girardi do NOT agree to waive their NMC's the D you see is the D we've got..... McD/Staal/Skjei & Klein/Girardi/McIlrath & that aint terrible........ just my factual opinion........

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:51 pm EST

YANDLE: He is all about the $$$$ ..... Florida has no state tax... which IMHO should be pro-rated by the NHL.. its BS they get a competitive advantage in a cap era... screw him.. I knew he was never interested in taking a team discount... thanks for nothing...

schneidw


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:45 pm EST

TD: yesterday you posted something about Stepan commanding a return similar to that of Ryan O'Reilly..... I hope you're correct because I'd trade Stepan for O'Reilly straight up in a heartbeat...... In addition to his all around game, the kid is an absolute face-off winning beast.

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:33 pm EST

E: Graves IS a LHS and McIlrath WILL need to be protected for the expansion draft to come... SKJEI will not have to be protected for this upcoming expansion draft IF it materializes......

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:30 pm EST

BTW, another fine piece of GMing by Bob Murray - he likely would have lost one of his 2 young goalies due to pending expansion if he'd done nothing, so now he acquires 2 high picks that will only serve to expand the Ducks' staple of prospects. Impressive....

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:29 pm EST

well that sucked.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:17 pm EST

Wild: I'm not complaining about trading Yandle's rights - I'm complaining about 1) the stupidity of the deal in the first place and 2) making it worse by not moving Yandle at the deadline. Dumb and dumber IMO.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:15 pm EST

Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay Rangers were not going to spend $$$ to sign Yandle, so they apparently get a sixth and conditional

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:12 pm EST

RF4L: Every team in the NHL wants that Kid....very few would see Yandle as a possibility due to price tag. If the best offer they could get was a 6th with a 4th conditional thats why they could get. And if the NYI offered more you don't send him there anyway.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:11 pm EST

BTW, the Sabres traded for the rights to negotiate until August 15 with Vesey. Of course, rather than a 6th round pick, the Sabres got a 3rd (76th overall). Gorther continuing his underwhelming run.....

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:09 pm EST

And with all due respect, anyone who thought the Rangers would or could resign Yandle before July 1 is simply dreaming with rose coloured glasses on. It was clear from the start, like Stamkos, Yandle was set on exploring the UFA, which of course is his right. Why Gorther couldn't see that is beyond me. Yandle should have been moved at the deadline in February. Double dreadful.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:06 pm EST

Hey a 6th is better than nothing but that deal now is officially CRAP. A first and Duclair for the right to play Yandle on the bottom pairing for the better parts of a season and a quarter for a 6th round pick. Another wonderfully inept decision courtesy of Gleff Gorther. Dreadful.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:05 pm EST

looks like Vesey still wants to become a UFA on August 15 per his agent.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:03 pm EST

Higgy: I actually heard from a GREAT source that there were no negotiations with Hags HOWEVER they dis speak to his agent to get a figure that they wanted...it was way way above what the Rangers were willing to pay, and going at a guy with a low ball offer just to say you did is insulting to say the least. Maybe better communication is in order, to let the guy know "hey, we were never going to be close to your number" would make it smoother.....but its not like the Agents and the teams are not in constant contact...its just sometimes it doesn't reach "official" negotiations. Once they are official paperwork traded sides and is recorded, and can be used as a basis for some sort of appeal once a deal is reached. The stuff before that is all unofficial and counts for nothing really. But you can gauge the temperature of a player agent and what they are willing to do.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:03 pm EST

Higgy: They likely just gave the Rangers the sixth rounder. Yandle apparently has no interest in signing there.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:02 pm EST

I will say I do believe this closes the books on YANDLE and that the Rangers likely have no interest in resigning him...or know first-hand he'll command more than they plan to spend on someone of his ilk...And just to carry that point a bit farther: Just wait and see what YANDLE gets for a contract. My only regret is that we gave up this year's 20th overall in a first round that is VERY deep to knock $2.75 million off his cap hit. Had we retained that first rounder and simply lost DUCLAIR to rent him for a year and a half, I'd have no problem with the deal...question now becomes doe the Rangers try to move STAAL...

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:01 pm EST

Arizona got a 5th and Yandle is the #1 free agent defenseman. Funny how they wanted to resolve the Yandle situation first, b4 anything else. It took them this long to find a team to give up a 6th rd pick? Any team would've done that.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:00 pm EST

A couple people on twitter (of course they could all be "sourcing" each other) say this was just the first trade for the Rangers, and wanted to get it out of the way to deal with the bigger parts being Nash and Stepan as well as perhaps others.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:54 pm EST

Higgy: Rangers could still sign YANDLE. Can't say I'm psyched about a sixth rounder and possibly a third rounder...but I guess it's better than nothing.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:54 pm EST

now they say a 6th rounder plus a conditional.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:54 pm EST

Wow, a 6th rd pick. Also, they never spoke to his agent abt a contract, just like they did with Hagelin. Gorton Sucks.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:51 pm EST

Yandle should've been the #1 priority. 47 pts this yr. if u could trade Nash, that money should start w/ Yandle. If the team was smart, Nash would go to Anaheim for Center Rickard Rakell, trade Brassard, resign Yandle, and go from there.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:48 pm EST

higgy just proves yandle is getting back a pick or picks ...they can still resign him if they have space,....but feel free to jump to conclusions .....retool , rebuild, redo, redux, and more to choose from.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:45 pm EST

Higgy: How do you know trades are not close to getting done? NOT ONE PERSON was on this handle move before a few minutes ago.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:45 pm EST

A 3rd in this years draft....but no word on the conditional pick yet

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:40 pm EST

Trading Yandle proves they are in rebuilding mode and there aren't any trades even close to getting done. Way to go Gorton.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:35 pm EST

Report is two picks for YANDLE, one being conditional on him resigning in FLA.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:34 pm EST

@CapFriendly The #Leafs now have 11 2016 picks: 1, 31, 62, 92, 122, 152, 182 - TOR 57 - WSH 72 - NJD 101 - COL 179 - STL

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:33 pm EST

George Richards-- ‏@GeorgeRichards 45s45 seconds ago .@FlaPanthers getting the negotiating rights to UFA defenseman Keith Yandle for a draft pick as well as a conditional if he signs.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:32 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ✔ @Real_ESPNLeBrun Told Leafs have agreed to a five year extension with Andersen as well. He would have been RFA July 1

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:29 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC Hearing FLA working on a trade to acquire rights to Keith Yandle from NYR

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:29 pm EST

Per @FriedgeHNIC, Florida set to acquire the rights for Keith Yandle

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:26 pm EST

TD: Yep, the Leafs will be interesting to watch this season. Now there's how to construct a rebuild. BTW, they still have a bunch of extra picks this year and more next year. Their feeder system depth is only just starting.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:14 pm EST

Well the Leafs now have goaltending. ANDERSEN traded from the Ducks for Pitt's 30th overall and a 2nd...This could be the quickest turnaround retool of a franchise in NHL history. Depending on whether you believe the hype about MATTHEWS, they could very well make the playoffs next season.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:09 pm EST

wild you're slow you blow.....@Russostrib he’s signing with them. He’s been skating with Eichel for a month - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/16/rangers-evaluations-alain-vigneault-and-his-coaching-staff/#comment-2763216

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:08 pm EST

Can't say I remember a Canadian field this weak: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/Junior/2016-17/Camps/Roster-Development

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:07 pm EST

Just waxing about needs and not getting too far off in the weeds, I believe that the defense on the left is Staal, McD, and Skjei. The right is Klein, G, Mcilrath. As things are right now. not for nothing but the defense is going to be the top need to be answered. So, I think your left is set. And I think someone mentioned Graves is a left. So, there is your depth. Behind Klein it's real questionable. Even if Mcilrath is to be part of the equation this doesn't exactly look like the puck possession team I think we all know AV wants to play. Klein I think is better suited to second pairing minutes. Mcilrath is a 6-7 in my opinion. So, there is the biggest issue as I see it. A team built from goaltending out that ain't that impressive once you get out of the goal. I cannot remember which side Fowler plays although I think he plays both. Its hard to keep up with everyone. If he can play right, the idea of Anaheim and the NYR becoming trading partners makes sense on the surface. Fowler does fit the AV mold. And last time I saw Fowler play live he landed a few blistering checks. One on Logan a Couture that started a fight so I know Fowler plays with an edge. Consistently? I'm not sure. But at least in the macro Nash looks like a great fit with Getzlaf and Perry. But, I do think if the NYR are gonna get Nash off of the books (even if they eat salary) they are going to get a solid return for him. It's not gonna be a dump for picks. I still think the NYR are in win-now mode. And that's fine. It's about a retool. And there are RFAs and other younger players that teams can move to get what you are looking for.

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:05 pm EST

Trades starting to go down.....wonder if this is the start or just a quick flurry of moves.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:02 pm EST

Anaheim supposedly in talks with Toronto over ANDERSSON...picks #30 and 31 going the other way.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:02 pm EST

mf - every draft there's talk about a team moving one of the top three picks...and every year in recent memory, they've chosen instead to pick...the two FInns are sure-things. They're just incredible talents...and that also shows you how incredibly good Austen MATTHEWS is, because either one of these guys would have been a shoe-in for first-overall if it weren't for him...I just don't see either the Jets or Jackets passing up a chance to get either unless there is a Lindros-esque offer for them. Rangers could probably offer KREIDER and HAYES and offer to take CLARKSON'S contract and still probably wouldn't get the Jackets to relinquish that pick. And when you're talking the Jets...man, there hasn't been a peep about what they're going to do with the second overall outside of snag LAINE. Not even the rumor sites are speculating that they'll do anything other than pick.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:56 pm EST

Well sounds like the VESEY sweepstakes have officially ended: Preds get the Sabres' third round pick for his rights. Was reported last week that Buffalo was/is a very strong suitor for him. Kinda crazy they don't just wait a month and a half and sign him ib day one...but whatever....Really interesting that first CAGUILA and now Vesey both choose small-market bottom feeders when they could have probably landed with any number of top-ranked teams...Naturally, they see generational talents on both respective rosters...but when you break them down, when will either of these teams compete for a cup? Tough to imagine it'd be next year.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:37 pm EST

stevie...yes...lets have Gordon force other GMs to act...thus taking less in return to get them to give up on other things. Forcing things can lead to terrible returns....waiting a day or two will not kill them, its not like camp starts tomorrow.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:34 pm EST

wild saton just needs to use their 2 balls each along with brains , and start the balls rolling.....instead of whatever they do with with them everyday.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:32 pm EST

Trade anyone and everyone & get the 2nd and 3rd overall picks, and fill in with free agents..... These 2 two FINS are awesome..... We can then sign Stamkos....... Come on Gorton hang a shingle, entertaining offers for anyone in the line-up, just get those 2 picks !!!!!

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:29 pm EST

With all the names floating around, I wonder if that will make things take a while longer to get going. I mean, one GM may want to make one move, but if another team gets "his" man he has another move in mind. So its like there are 10000 balls in the air and until one falls none will....and that first one may not fall until right before the draft. I also think that teams are waiting to get confirmation on the expansion draft stuff.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:22 pm EST

LAINE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwf64yOB1wo

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 3:16 pm EST

RF: Ditto, get that 3rd round pick and do whatever it takes to get the 2nd overall pick for Patrick Laine...... Big RHS RW........ CBJ may want to kick the tires on Stepan, cap hell and all, as they lost Johansen & may need a pivot..... It may seem like lateral moves, but sometimes you need to move laterally to move forward... Just ask "The Rook!"

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:52 pm EST

mf: Giradi has his best years under Torts...I could see him being OK with that move. Its not like CBus is going to be terrible for years and years, he could be part of a deep playoff run there in a season or two. I mean, of all the places that could want him, that might be one he would enjoy the most. Also, the fans there are good and the players seem to love the city....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:47 pm EST

I find it funny that Callahans contract may make it impossible to keep Stamkos....thats exactly what the Rangers were worried about, that Cally would cost so much that they would be in the position to have to lose a top player for a guy who really isn't a top player but is paid like one.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:44 pm EST

RF: if Girardi or Staal is willing to go to CBJ, eating some of their salary MAY be a way to bridge the gap & unload one of our NMC contracts..... Got to be more & more creative over time.... jmo naturally

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:40 pm EST

TD/RF: excuse me as I have NOT read todays posts..... CBJ seems like a good trade partner for us.... AND I'd love to send Hayes to TORTURELLA as part of the deal..........

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:38 pm EST

Higgy: Still want DEMERS?: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-stars-free-agent-defenseman-demers-seeking-5-5-million-per-season/

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:28 pm EST

RF4L - in a heartbeat. The only drawback to HARTNELL'S contract is that it'll have to be protected in the NHL expansion draft. But Hartnell as a player is still pretty good. Definitely a guy who would improve the Rangers, though you'd end up overpaying for a third-liner...and for the third overall? I mean, pretty much it's either PULJUJARVI or LAINE...maybe TKACHUK. All three are can't miss NHLers. I'd say the odds are that all three are stars in this league...In fact, I'd even take CLARKSON'S awful contract if it meant grabbing the third-overall.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 2:03 pm EST

Pure conjecture on my part but would anyone do Hayes for the 3rd overall and taking on Hartnell's contract?

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:57 pm EST

BJs' 3rd overall pick apparently in play but anyone getting it has to take on one of the BJs' dumb contracts, probably either Tjutin or Hartnell.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:49 pm EST

Man does Yzerman know what he's doing or what? Two firsts the last 2 years and this year their own first and 2 seconds. That's how you sustain competitiveness.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:48 pm EST

NN: Could be. Or could be Nash or Stepan to any of those teams with 2 2nd rounders. That said, Stepan for 2 2nds doesn't seem enough to me.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:40 pm EST

update....However somebody who then listened to the podcast pointed out that pierre also said the team was going to eat half the players salary. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/16/rangers-evaluations-alain-vigneault-and-his-coaching-staff/#comment-2763216

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:35 pm EST

RF4L; Do you think Calgary is on his list of team he can be traded to? I don't; also some assume it's Stepan and not Nash.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:33 pm EST

NN: Nash to Calgary? Now that would be out of left field, that's for sure!

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:31 pm EST

RF4L: Saw this on another site...Six teams (Arizona, Montreal, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa, and Toronto) with two 2nd round picks. One team (Calgary) with three 2nd round picks. Seven teams (Anaheim, Washington, Dallas, Minnesota, Rangers, Islanders, and Vancouver) don't have a second round pick this year.

DOUBLEN


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:21 pm EST

I know I'm still scarred from this past season but watch Anaheim acquire McIlrath then flip him to the Isles/Devils/Flyers. That would be the logical move in this Everyone's Out To Get The Rangers universe I live in :)

LeoS


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:19 pm EST

Which team has a bevy of 2nd rounders? A few teams (Montreal and Toronto) have 2 2nds but no one has more than that....

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 1:09 pm EST

Ladies & Gents: both of these websites notate what type of contracts players have on their respective clubs.... ie: NMC, NTC, two way, I find this informative when racking the ol brain trying to figure out if a team is a likely trade partner with us.... Example: a team with NO NMC contracts on the defense may be a landing spot for Staal or Girardi "IF" they're looking to move a Forward who has an NMC........ I'm not saying that the NYR even have the wiggle room to have that mindset, but it is a possibility among clubs......... Good Luck & may G-d Bless! ........ http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/anaheim-ducks/cap/ .............. http://www.generalfanager.com/

mf


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:51 pm EST

E: Nash is at a 7.8 cap hit, Fowler at a 4 mil cap hit. Even if the Rangers retained 1.8 mil of Nash's contract they would save 2 mil in cap. Thats not a tone, but enough to get a couple RFA re-signed without increasing the cap hit overall from last season. Other moves would need to be made to really impact the top lines Stamkos for instance, but even a 500K savings can lead to a player signing vs not signing.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:44 pm EST

WILD: and this is the coach that Vancouver fans used to freak out about because of his insistence to use Bieksa in key offensive moments when he had more offensively gifted options.

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:42 pm EST

I can also see where Anaheim makes a good trading partner. All season long I think Getzlaf had Nate Thompson and whatnot as a left wing. I cannot even remember anyone else playing on the left for them beside Perron. Pretty thin. So, Nash would be a good option. Anaheim has good depth at defense. I do not know which side Fowler plays but I could see how he fits the mold. Big body, great skater. Just cut from that same cloth that Skjei and McD are. I would like to see a move like that made. But, I wouldn't imagine you'd get a huge amount of cap relief from this move. It's an on ice upgrade.

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:33 pm EST

E: All someone needs is the seed of an idea like "AV hates McIlrath" its the same seed that had Miller gone ASAP because AV hated him.....the same I am sure it will be for another young player next year or the year after...probably Buchnevich....becasue they don't want to believe that AV takes it slow with kids, and until he sees they are ready he doesn't play them as much as we would like.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:22 pm EST

Vic: I don't think that there is a historical argument that you can make that supports any belief that AV preferred Diaz to Mcilrath. You have one playoff game where he just was desperate to try to get a single PP goal as the NYR sank. Other than that?

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:19 pm EST

If the NYR are going to conduct a trade with Anaheim I'd be surprised if in the aftermath Mcilrath is still with the NYR. That's the kind of player Anaheim loves.

E


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:18 pm EST

Vic - Oh I totally agree. I think the Rangers top goal right now is having enough cap space to sign STAMKOS on July 1. And I think they have several ways to go about doing it. They'll choose whatever way that maximizes their return...that's why I don't see them giving away Nash or eating a bunch of salary...what I could see them doing is knocking a million or so off so that a deal can be made...and that amount meaning the difference between the Rangers getting a third rounder and a second rounder as part of a package for Nash. I don't see them giving him away by any stretch.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:13 pm EST

Vic - DIAZ isn't under contract as of July 1. And I'd be floored really if he's back with the team...I know popular sentiment here is that AV hates McILRATH and refuses to use him...but mine is that this business has been by design and that he's penciled in to start as the third-pairing on the right. The organization didn't keep him around all season just to move him for pennies on the dollar. If they were ready to move on, I suspect he would have been moved at the start of the season or, at the very least, during the deadline. He's going to have a small contract and is more valuable to the Rangers than player than an asset. With the latter, I doubt he'd get you much.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:09 pm EST

TD:. Fair enough but I don't think it helps the Rangers much if they eat salary to move NASH. Think of it this way, if they eat 2.5 mil to bring back a "lesser player" making 4.5 mil what is the benefit? They are still paying $7 mil in cap space and are left with a lesser player. This is the problem in dealing NASH.

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:08 pm EST

York - Rangers with STAMKOS and NASH is possible...but it'd mean trading STEPAN and STAAL to start...do that and you've got almost $12 million in cap space. I'll be really interested to see what this move is coming up...my gut tells me STEPAN is the first to go. But the chatter out there certainly makes it seem like NASH has played his last game as a Ranger.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 12:05 pm EST

RF:. I'd like to see McILRATH in the mix as well but I have a hard time believing it will happen. In fact, I really think that AV values DIAZ more. If I were betting on what happens I would bet they move McILRATH this week or at the draft to a team out west. I think they pencil DIAZ in as the 7th defender/black ace next year.

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:57 am EST

Vic - the NASH business ain't coming from me...his name is making the rounds on Twitter and apparently there's plenty of teams interested in him and the talk is that they're willing to pay a decent price...think someone mentioned a few days ago the KESSEL deal and I think that's exactly the type the Rangers would get...What I personally think will decide the return is whether the Rangers eat salary. If they do, someone like FOWLER coming back the other way isn't a stretch at all. In fact, I don't think he'd be enough for the Rangers to bite.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:38 am EST

Wiosa you can't afford to have Nash and stamkos and I'm sorry but I don't care if yes a selke player he's paid 8 mil to score goals and this bs of him being a defensive savant is getting old let him make 3-4 mil and be that guy but for 8 I don't think so.

York18


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:35 am EST

guessing time.....JPP on JUNE 20, 2016 12:22 PM “Not sure if what title to use but I was listening to Pierre McGuire on TSN 1200 and he said there is a team out there that could be making a deal today to send out a significant player in return to get recoup some draft picks they have been dealing away the past few years trying to compete. He said it would be a team with 2nd rounders this year sending those the other way for the significant player.” — Sure sounds like the Rangers. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/16/rangers-evaluations-alain-vigneault-and-his-coaching-staff/#sthash.qnPfngh9.dVlT2xzG.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:31 am EST

LeoS...lol. and Oops that shouldve said defensive conscience on that line, not liability.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:23 am EST

Vic: I like the defensive scenario, except I wanna see McI in place of Girardi...

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 11:00 am EST

TD: We definitely disagree on the relative worth of FOWLER vs NASH. I see FOWLER as a young player with a lot of experience and some solid years in front of him. I can't see NASH as anything more then a liability at $7.8 Mil per year. At this point I think you need to be really happy if you can find ANYONE out there willing to take NASH and his contract while giving you back a player of decent value. As for fit.....I think the Rangers are definitely looking at going with KLEIN, GIRARDI and SKJEI down the right side. I think they saw that SKJEI can handle it and it solves a problem for them. On the left side it will be McDONAGH, STAAL and someone other then YANDLE who will be gone (and should not be resigned at the absurd number he will get). Signing YANDLE to a huge contract would be yet another disaster. This is where I could see FOWLER fitting in. They can either slide FOWLER in to play SKJEI or slide STAAL in to play with SKJEI.

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:43 am EST

defense...the fence....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:29 am EST

WIOSA - "can't spell defense in either language" was THIS close to me spit-taking my coffee this morning! Classic.

LeoS


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:16 am EST

Vic - I could be mistaken, but I don't think FOWLER is the Ducks' number one D. In fact, I think he's been a bit of a disappointment. With LINDHOLM, BIEKSA, VAATANEN(who just resigned for four years) and now THEODORE, plus this kid MONTOUR who has been ripping up the AHL...Fowler is pretty much on his way out. And as promising as he was his first year, he hasn't been the offensive powerhouse he looked like he was going to be when he broke in...And his defense...well...let's just say it could use improvement...In fact, I don't think Fowler straight up for Nash would get the deal done...especially if the Rangers are eating even a dime of his contract. Maybe Fowler and the Ducks' first rounder. Even that wouldn't get my wheels spinning. Fowler would also put the Rangers right back to where they were last season too, with a guy who should be playing top four being bumped to third pairing...and that's assuming they swap SKJEI over to the right.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 10:07 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-in-a-bind-as-entry-draft-approaches-1.11936526

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:30 am EST

stevie: Sure, I can get behind that!

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:28 am EST

Vic: Because they are a one line team and that's been their PO downfall for the past several years. The window in Anaheim has been open for a while but won't stay that way forever, given the aging of their 2 main offensive cogs. Nash with Kesler gives them 2 legitimate scoring lines. It all depends on how they view that possibility and need. They are overflowing with young d-man and need another top end offensive forward. If Gorther was able to peddle Nash to SJ for example, that pushes down the Ducks' chances even more.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:15 am EST

Rf4l like Clark Kent ?.... Try dark bent alias stupidman ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:08 am EST

Ola: Most important in that Oilers idea is that Nash wouldn't be the goto guy or the focus. There are other kids on that team that would take the main focus, he could be "the other big scorer" on the team and be basically an "overlooked" 30 goal guy. I think if the Rangers were to be able to get a Stamkos and keep Nash that Nash would improve overall not being "the guy" but its a cap world....so the likelihood of that happening AND a good overall team is slim.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:07 am EST

stevie: I like Gleff Gorther thank you. Sounds like a superhero's alias!

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:07 am EST

RF: I find it extremely hard to believe the Rangers could get FOWLER straight up for NASH even if the Rangers eat salary. Why would they do that. FOWLER is basically their #1.

Vic


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:06 am EST

rf4l sathergorton = saton...get with the program....they are the nyr's version of the 2 headed monster from Jason and the Argonauts .....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:04 am EST

RF4L- I think their management have been utterly incompetent so far, but if I was EDM, I would definitely be interested in Nash. Size. Extremely professional. Experienced. Could work very well in a Marian Hossa role on a second line. They have like no age spread, all their forwards are in the same seat with the same background. If I where them I would build a first around McD and a second around Hall-Draisatl-Nash. And you know, Nash would take a lot of pressure of the kids. He would face many of the tough questions etc. Their kids need that.

Ola


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:02 am EST

"Rikki Don't Lose That Number" We hear you're leaving, that's OK I thought our little wild time had just begun I guess you kind of scared yourself, you turn and run

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 8:01 am EST

stevie: I think Saton Gorther has a plan. The problem is the plan may be flawed. It certainly was last year at the draft table - those 2 trades were brutal. Let's hope he's doing his due diligence this time around. Any one available should be shopped hard....don't just speak to one GM and accept his best offer.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:51 am EST

Wild: IMO, Fowler/Vatanen and the Ducks first rounder is a fine return for Nash and probably too much given the ridiculous cap hit Nash equates to.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:50 am EST

If Nash does go to the Ducks you gotta think one of Fowler (how ironic if the Rangers get him and then pair him with McI!!!) or Vatanen comes to NY. The Ducks are brimming with young talented d-man and are trading from strength in that regard.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:48 am EST

Hey Ricky, All your bags are packed, Your ready to go, I'm standing here outside your door, the taxi's waiting He's blowing his horn, Just waiting to find out what direction he'll be driving...Bye bye farewell

RF73


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:45 am EST

Wild you think what they are about to do is a plan, I think it's a cya action to make like they are retooling rather than fixing the problems from their last plan. And with a coach who has created more unnecessary problems and will continue to blame the roster no matter what gets done . The biggest problems the nyr have are their management from saton in down. And that's not changing or being improved except for possibly ulf 's replacement . Along with the buttman expansion vengeance situation ..... That by intention is to make teams weaker in the name of bs parity and other twisted engineering ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:44 am EST

Wild/Yorkie, Im a Nash fan as well. You can never underestimate what this guy brings to the table. Defensively he is vastly underrated. He IS the defensive liability on that line (Nash/Brassard/Zuuc) cause we know Zuuc does do his best, but is sometimes overrun, and Brass (whom I like btw) cant spell defense in either language, nevermind play it. That said,,,we are painfully in need of a power forward who is a prolific scorer. Nash has shown he can be that guy, but he's not a go-to guy (see playofffs). My only concern is this habit we have lately of trading our top winger/centre to get anther top line winger/center to complete the line. All we're doing is shifting the total offensive burden from one player to another. We did this for eons before Messier arrived anyone remember? For some reason our GMs are forgetting it's a team sport. Are we going to deal Nash + to make room for Stamkos? Then what? Put him as the new scorer? A team with Brass/Nash/Zucc,,,,Miller/Stamkos/Buch,,,,,Fast/Stepan/?? Might be a bit more difficult for opposition teams to handle. Of course, how do we get Stamkos without paying for him is another story. As always JMHO.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:42 am EST

As i said yesterday, I'll be shocked if Nash goes to Montreal. SJ, Anaheim and St Louis all seem far more logical as destinations. I suspect he'd do well in any of those places. I also believe his effectiveness goes up if somehow the Rangers are able to sign Stamkos and keep Nash.

RF4L


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:37 am EST

I know one thing for sure....with seemingly two D off the market, one resigning in ANA (I think it was there) and the AVS saying Barrie isn't going anyplace, the Rangers need to shop the rights to Yandle like yesterday and take advantage of the lack of D out there to move one of their bigger cap hits of Staal or Girardi.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:27 am EST

td: The Ducks seem o have a lack of assets to send for sure. You wonder though, could the Rangers end up with the 24th this year and their 1st next year in a deal? I mean, if they want to move Nash for cap reasons and retool reasons and they can't get a team to take his full cap hit other than for a couple picks I think they do it. I am sure the backlash from the Rangers faithful would be harsh, but they need to think about the next few years as well as this one. But it all depends on what the Rangers brass is thinking. What we think is a poor deal for what we think we want may be a very good deal based on their plan.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 7:04 am EST

Not a lot I like from the Ducks' organization...even their first round pick isn't until 24th over...Maybe Nick RITCHIE...I suspect if Anaheim is in on NASH, that FOWLER is probably the start of a package to get him...I can see why the Ducks would want Nash...he'd be a hell of a player to use on first line...but I just don't see what they have to send the other way....maybe this kid MONTOUR? Former second rounder who put up great numbers in the AHL. Right-handed d-man...probably due to break into the NHL this season.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:53 am EST

If Montreal is the suitor, NASH for McCARRON, MATTEAU and the 39th overall. Those two would be a great addition to the bottom six..McCarron is a nasty SOB...think Brian BOYLE with a mean streak...and could end up in a top-six role, depending on how he develops...Matteau has the same mean streak, but really his ceiling is fourth-line grinder. Still, he's got speed and can pot the odd goal...would be a very nice add for fourth or even third line...in fantasy land, the deal would be expanded so that GALCHENYUK is coming our way...but that would take some of Sather's voodoo to make happen.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:53 am EST

York: I didn't say that he is just some great PO guy, but that you don't want to see a guy who has the last two seasons scored at .74 ppg rate. And as I said, he scored earlier in the post season, and in bunches. But you don't want to be on the receiving end of a bunches of scoring....or his 3 zone game. Just because I don't fall to the LCD of the average Ranger fan and only see the negative doesn't mean I don't see the negatives of a player.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:44 am EST

Wild one last thing the recipe to stop Nash get physical with him send mclw out against him and he will return to being gun-shy after one hard hit if he even continues playing after that hit.

York18


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:34 am EST

Wild lot of ifs and as I said the other day if the queen had balls shed be King but she doesn't.

York18


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:33 am EST

Wild no offense but you never view a rangers player with objectivity let alone negatively. He's not a good playoffs player everyone has said it but you. If Nash was half as good as you say why would the rangers 1) trade him and 2) why would they have to at salary to move him? You think any team would have to eat salary to move Kane or tavarese I think not. Nash gets meaningless points which make him look slightly better on paper than he really is. I can live with the fear of the deadly Nash back check I'm sure the rangers will survive.

York18


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:28 am EST

td: as I said, unless it's a crazy offer they will look out west. Also .74 points per game. That's the last 2 playoff runs. .74. That's good. And as I said. He might score in bunches, but would you want to see the scoring Nash in a series against you? Let's not forget not he last playoffs but the year before the Rangers won the series where he was scoring and lost when he didn't....hence the negative feelings about him that year. MANY here said (and most agreed) that if he has scored the Rangers would have perhaps lifted the cup. So if he is scoring when the Rangers see him and he helps his team win but that's the only time he scores you can all say "see he sucked most of the playoffs" but the Rangers will still have been hurt by him. And usually his scoring comes early in the post season when it comes....so being in the east is the worst case to face him.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 6:22 am EST

Wild - While I tend to agree the Rangers wouldn't want to trade NASH within the conference --you never want a chance to have that deal come back and bite you in the ass --I also don't think they'll give a toss if the Canadiens are ponying up a decent haul...say a top pick and a prospect...or are taking him without having the Rangers pick up any salary. As for Nash in the playoffs...gotta agree with York...if the past is any barometer, trading Nash in the conference is probably a good thing. In fact, they should trade him to the Pens.

tdchi


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:38 am EST

York: Sorry. .74 ppg in the post season is nothing to sneeze at. Nash over the last 2 playoffs has a .74 ppg scoring rate. I am sorry, but Nash has gotten better in the post season....if you want to ignore recent history fine, but I hope the Rangers don't. And don't use the idea that he scored in bursts in the playoffs...if he happened to score in the games against the Rangers and no other series it could still be a big reason the Rangers don't win a round.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 20 2016 5:21 am EST

Wild I'll give you , no player doesn't have disappointed nyr fans . .... The smoke means there is fire but right now no facts. If saton wants to trade stepan and Nash , it sure looks like a combo clear cap space rebuild. I'll reserve comment until something happens. Whoever they trade they need replacements who improve the team. My guess is they are going to clear space for stamkos and yandle while preparing for the Las Vegas pain. Which means possibly 6 guys or more gone from the roster. So like the NHL which punishes teams for finding ways to not break rules . So too players on the nyr will be thrown off the island because of their contracts and expansion . Next 2-3 weeks should have plenty of nyr news...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 20 2016 4:55 am EST

WILD ROFLMAO see his team in the post season, have you missed oh I don't know, Nash's whole career in the post season? There is nothing to worry about in that department.

York18


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:54 pm EST

Rhet: Yes that one does steal and say its their source....at the same time, I do follow because its kind of like a clearing house for all the rumors that person finds, so I don't have to follow so many people to get all the rumors....probably not so good because it supports them...but there is no loss to them if none follows since they don't get paid anyway, so likely less followers will do nothing to stop them.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:46 pm EST

Take it with a grain of salt, but there is a rumor on Twitter that Nash is close to being dealt. ....BTW, if anyone follows @RumorBreak, don't. The guy steals all of his info from more reputable sources and passes it off as his own.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:25 pm EST

RF4L: Not only would Nash likely not want Montreal, but I doubt the Rangers would want to send him to an eastern team. He may disappoint Rangers fans (who doesn't really) but you don't want to have to deal with hime more than 2 times per year. If he is out west and you see him more than 2 times your in the SCF against him and you "deal" with that. But seeing him 4 times or whatever in the east and having go through his team to get deep in the post season....not something you purposely sign up for. Well unless its a to god to ever move past offer....but I think the McD trade still stings up there, and the Habs will not give the house away to the Rangers for Nash no matter how bad they want him.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:15 pm EST

IMO, both Montreal and Anaheim make sense as possible destinations for Nash. Montreal is desperate for offense and the Ducks are likely looking at the Pens and their 3 tiered offense and thinking Nash could help them start to get there. I'd argue that with the latter in mind both SJ and St Louis would also be interested. I cannot believe Nash would agree to go to Montreal - he vetoed Toronto when he was up fro trade as a BJ; Montreal is worse when it comes to public press and pressure.

RF4L


Sun Jun 19 2016 6:32 pm EST

MF.... I have never seen a Pro Sports League go after it's teams for following the rules like the NHL does. All this after approving all the NMC's in the first place. That said, the NYR know all the details that we do not. Girardi is the only player with this clause (that we know of for sure). Perhaps we don't have to protect him since it becomes a LTD NMC (though unlikely). No NMC explicitly mentions the Expansion Draft, but that was the agreement made by the League and the NHLPA for expansion. Until we have all the facts, we just don't know.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 5:34 pm EST

Having to protect players that have an NMC is a total fustercluck.............

mf


Sun Jun 19 2016 5:12 pm EST

Lot's of noise today about Anaheim and Montreal having interest in Nash.According to @NHLRumorsDaily, the NYR have even asked for Nikita Scherbak as part of a potential deal with Montreal. We can ask for Scherbak all we want, but its most likely a pipe dream.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 5:07 pm EST

MF.... It's not that they're wrong, they just don't get to see the contract's themselves and also don't get notified by the teams or the League. Usually they have to rely on what is printed in the media (online or otherwise) for their info. They didn't change the Girardi information until they recently got more updated(better) information.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 4:46 pm EST

Rhet: Shouldn't the legend symbols for the last 3 years of Staals contract on the General Fanager website be changed from the blue paperclip to the red anchor just as they changed Girardi's? .......... http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers

mf


Sun Jun 19 2016 4:19 pm EST

MF..... At the time the NYR signed Staal, they said they gave him basically the same deal as Girardi, so I would suspect it would have the same clause. That being said, his Limited part of the deal would kick in 7/1/2018. The League would not do back to back expansion draft years. We still have to move Marc Staal no matter what clauses his deal has.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 3:55 pm EST

Hold that last post: The announcements from when STAALS contract was extended are remarkably similar to that of Girardi's... I am reviewing GeneralFanager, http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers ........SPORTRAC: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/dan-girardi/ .......... I'm suspecting that the NMC clause of Marc Staal's contract "may" run the duration of the contract the same way it does with Girardi........ I'm emailing General Fanager

mf


Sun Jun 19 2016 3:46 pm EST

TD..... I do think Tampa has already prepared themselves for life without Stamkos, but they will do the usual public spin to make it seem like they did everything to keep him ....WILD.... If we had all 30 teams to chose from, maybe. Girardi will have to provide the NYR with a list of 15 teams that he will be willing to accept a trade to. I think it's safe to say that most of those teams will be competitive ones (you know, those teams that have little cap space). Of the few remaining, it doesn't leave us a lot of options. That is unless we're willing to do a Bickell-type deal. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 3:21 pm EST

Happy Father's Day folks: regarding this off season and the events affecting how it will unfold, again, if Buttman and his minions choose to expand the league this season, so many teams are in straight jackets. To NOT take into consideration that the league WILL expand again soon by one team is shortsighted.... That means a second round of protecting 1 goalie and 8 skaters or 1 goalie and 7 forwards and 3 defensemen...... "SO" a GM has got to consider this repeating itself 2 or 3 years from now...... That being said (hopefully clearly) because STAAL is a LHS, is signed for 5 additional yrs as opposed to Girardi's 4 yrs, he did not suffer any head / eye injuries this past season, we need to move him more than we need to move Girardi. JMO of course....... Another reminder: Most of the 1st & 2nd year players who will NOT be required to be "protected" for this expansion draft WILL need to be protected the next time around when team # 32 is introduced into the league...............

mf


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:41 pm EST

Apparently, one NHL GM told Newsday's Steve Zipay that the Rangers are in a "bit of a bind" and that it will be a challenge for them to make moves. Zipay notes that players like Rick Nash, Marc Staal, Derek Stepan, Dan Girardi and Derick Brassard have all had their names "floated" but added "it's unclear on the number of takers or an appropriate return." (Newsday) He notes that Nash will have some "appeal" because the Rangers will likely have to retain salary and possibly include some prospects to move him. (Newsday) In terms of Stepan or Brassard, he said that the Rangers can't move one of them without getting a center in return. (Newsday)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:30 pm EST

York - I certainly wouldn't do that. But I guess if you really think there's a chance he'll sign with someone else, then maybe. The rumor was Buffalo and the Wings were the ones considering it.

tdchi


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:19 pm EST

Rhet: The Rangers have one thing to sell. How many of those cap players for teams that can take on cap, are players who have had 2 ECF and a SCF appearance int he also half dozen years? Not many I would imagine. Gird was a big part of a very solid team for many years in a row. Something that other guys who are bigger cap hits may not have. Again, its nothing that WILL happen or anything, but with the right conditions the Ranters could get more in return than many think.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:16 pm EST

Rhet: I saw that on Martin who apparently wants to remain the the NYC area, SO that the Rangers, NYI or NJD, and why would he want to go to Jersey unless it just a money thing and spend years waiting for the team to get any good again? The Islanders and the Rangers are the closest to competing, and if he leaves the NYI it seems the best option would be the NYR. Would be a perfect "replacement" for Glass on the roster.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:14 pm EST

WILD... The thing about Girardi is that if he refuses to waive his NMC, he get's to stay with the team and also not be taken by an expansion team. If he agrees to waive his NMC, it wont be just to any NHL team. Of those few teams on his list that can afford his contract, will they find him more interesting than all the other options available to them? It will be a smorgasbord for those teams with the cap space.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:05 pm EST

Lot's of speculation that Matt Martin will have interest in the NYR. Most of it seems to stem from the fact that he's dating Boomer Esiason's daughter (also a NYR fan). We shall see ...VIC....MY two cents on the Draft Day deals was the Gorten was pissed at the way they turned out. He did not seem happy at all.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 2:00 pm EST

Rhet just saw that...things like that put life in perspective....

Wildcard


Sun Jun 19 2016 1:59 pm EST

So long Chekov.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 1:32 pm EST

RF4L: I think you like just about every Rangers fan short sells Giradi. I think most NHL teams think the way the Rangers seem to, he was injured last season, and he will be better this next one. They talk about him like he is still the same player, just the knee was a problem. Very well could be the case. Point is, I am certain there is a GM out there, with a young team and cap space to spare who looks at Giradi as the perfect number 4 vet for his blueline. Is he expensive? yes. But there are teams trading for LTIR players now to get the cap floor....why wouldn't a team with cap space want a vet Dman who could help their young guys with some experience and a guy who puts in 100%, even if that 100% isn't the best. That attitude can lead other to work hard and improve them in that way. Not saying its a sure thing...but its a possibility that can not be overlooked.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 19 2016 1:23 pm EST

Happy Father's Day to all the Wall Dads! If Columbus is dangling Nick Foligno, he is exactly the type,of player we could use.

JFC31


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:58 am EST

YORK: I agree on AV but given the disconnect between him and GORTHER on the other deals I have to wonder if he was as pissed about the trading of HAGS as many of us were. Is he telling GORTHER "See, I told you so" right now? Did AV want STRAHLMAN resigned? Did AV want BOYLE resigned? I don't know any of the answers to those questions. I just know that the GM and Coach better get their act together and get on the same page otherwise both of them should be fired.

Vic


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:56 am EST

Oops...http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-new-york-rangers-1.504422

RF4L


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:56 am EST

TSN.CA analyst's take on the Rangers. Not a whole bunch we didn't know but I found it interesting that he projects Burrows being a Ranger next fall. I suspect that's because he played his best hockey under AV's watch.

RF4L


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:32 am EST

The twin albatross deals on the backline are, I suspect, already coming back to bite Gorther in the ass. I cannot believe anyone wants Girardi, unless Gorther eats a chunk of the salary OR offers up a prospect to entice an opposingh GM. Staal most certainly is still quite attractive but will he invoke his NMC (which of course is his right to do so)? Gorther has painted himself in the corner with these deals. Poor GMing IMO without a doubt (and some of us called for both to be moved in their final years on their previous contracts because we foresaw exactly this dilemma unfolding.

RF4L


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:28 am EST

BTW, I suspect we're hearing the Stepan rumous because he's likely the easiest candidate to trade (for Gorther) due to the fact he's not burdened with a NMC. Of course, the easiest would be the captain but as much I think it's a good idea (at least to explore), I suspect Gorther doesn't have the gonads to swing such a deal.

RF4L


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:24 am EST

Stevie...He Who Shall Not Be Named did click with Miller and Hayes. That said, why take Hayes when you have the original? (Kessel). I dont think theyre looking for offensive help this offseason. Not to mention if we couldve rebuilt and moved Hank - whom I love - but if we're rebuilding he would have to go, MAF is younger and cheaper so they rained on our parade there as well.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:23 am EST

I posted about this a few days ago but nobody responded, so I'm posting again. To our resident capalogists on here - doesn't the cap ceiling go up in the off-season, but only by something like 10%. The Rangers currently sit at $56,000,000 and the cap will be $71,000,000, meaning they have $15,000,000 to add Stamkos. If so, that would put them at 15 roster players, meaning they have $4,000,000 to fill out the remainder of the spots, spots that include Kreider, Miller, Hayes and McI (as RFAs), which of course cannot be done given what combined they will cost. That's 19 roster spots meaning there are at least 2 more to fill and maybe 4 more. Bottom line is this: Gorther, if he's serious about pursuing Stamkos, must free up a chunk of cap space. Moving Stepan's $6,500,000 contract is a logical place to start, especially seeing as Stamkos would take his center ice spot, albeit at a price tag of $4,000,000 more. It makes sense that Nash is being shopped but at the same time I wonder if the allure of having 2 legitimate goal scorers in the lineup means Gorther would prefer not to do that, saving that move, perhaps until next summer (when there's only a year left on his deal and therefore, he might be more attractive on the trade market). To mean signing Stamkos and moving Nash creates the same sort of issue this team has suffered from for the past several years - one legitimate offensive threat, thereby allowing the opposition to focus their defensive game far more easily. I am curious to see how Nash does with someone like Stamkos on the team. I wouldn't pair them together (save for the PP). I'll bet Nash would score a lot more.

RF4L


Sun Jun 19 2016 11:22 am EST

TD No way anyone gives up a top prospect to talk to the guy not a chance, maybe a second rounder and that is even iffy. Who is going to trade a top prospect to just talk to him without it already being established he is willing to sign there? Any GM who gave up a second and a top prospect and then Stamkos walks would find himself out of a job fast.

York18


Sun Jun 19 2016 10:15 am EST

to say his name say his name...hagelin clicked with gabby hayes....maybe the pigpens want him.....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 19 2016 10:15 am EST

Rhet0ric - That doesn't surprise me re: COOPER. The guy preaches an all-for-one system...and I think part of the reason the Lightning have been so successful is that he's able to squeeze incredible performances out of less talented players... you look at some of the guys in Tampa's lineup and really they came from no where...of course, it doesn't hurt to have three top-three overall picks on your roster either...I also think DROUIN'S intention to stay in Tampa is a good sign they're not optimistic about signing STAMKOS long-term....hearing a lot of chatter that his rights could be traded in the next couple of days, with a second rounder and a top prospect being the asking price.

tdchi


Sun Jun 19 2016 10:11 am EST

re: TROUBA - Funny Brooksie mentions him and McDONAGH in the same sentence...I mentioned possibly swinging that deal with the Jets. No way I'd do that straight up...but if the Jets were willing to add in a pick and a prospect...that would be another way to improve the team...as crazy as it sounds...Say they move McD and Hayes for Trouba, the Hawks' first rounder(22nd overall) and a prospect...say Joel ARMIA...Rangers end up with Trouba-Klein-Girardi/McIlrath on the right...then there's the cash to either resign YANDLE or chase after STAMKOS. There are also plenty of good players that will be up for grabs at 22nd overall. ..and I'll say this to Brooks, who should know by now: Never say never. Not in this crazy league.

tdchi


Sun Jun 19 2016 10:02 am EST

Vic - at this point, I'm done with Hags and the Pens...and speaking thereof. The fact that the topic has endured for as long as it has here makes my stomach turn.

tdchi


Sun Jun 19 2016 10:00 am EST

York - re: HAYES. He can't win faceoffs...he's not very good defensively...yeah, I'd say disaster. I mean, if we're going to split hairs, then we can go with disaster all-around. But what sense does it make to have a guy in the center as described? I didn't think he was bad at wing, just he never found a line where he clicked. Regardless, I would be surprised if he's still a Ranger by next season...and I would have said that even before reading puckyou's post.

tdchi


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:53 am EST

THE DETROIT NEWS: Red Wings center Pavel Datsyuk made it official by announcing he will be returning to Russia next season to finish his playing career. He’s making this move to be closer to his teenage daughter. MLIVE.COM: Red Wings GM Ken Holland said he’s “not overly optimistic” about moving Datsyuk’s contract, which has a year remaining at a cap hit of $7.5 million, though in actual salary it’s worth $5.5 million. If so, they won’t be able to afford any significant additions via free agency this summer..... OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Calgary Flames GM Brad Treliving, who has the sixth overall pick in the upcoming NHL draft, wants to move up into the top three or four. The Columbus Blue Jackets have more than $70 million invested in next season’s payroll. They’re trying to move left wing Scott Hartnell and defenseman Fedor Tyutin. They’re also listening to offers for captain Nick Foligno. There’s also concern a rival club could pitch an offer sheet to defenseman Seth Jones, though the Jackets will match any offer..... NEW YORK POST: Larry Brooks reports the New York Rangers “are not getting Jacob Trouba out of Winnipeg unless Ryan McDonagh goes the other way. He’s not.” Brooks claims the New York Islanders reportedly aren’t close to a new deal with pending UFA center Frans Nielsen. It’s possible the Islanders could part ways with Nielsen and fellow UFAs Kyle Okposo and Matt Martin..... TORONTO SUN: Steve Simmons reports “a lot of hockey people expect Stamkos’ negotiation rights to be dealt within days.” He also claims there’s “whispers” all isn’t well between Lightning GM Steve Yzerman and head coach Jon Cooper, as the latter “has had difficulty” with Steven Stamkos, Jonathan Drouin and apparently Nikita Kucherov.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:45 am EST

VIC what's crazy is the league quickly adjusted and caught up with AV while AV stayed dormant. The very thing that helped stir the pot of AVs system was traded away and became the spoon that stirred the pot in Pitt.

York18


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:43 am EST

According to Allan Walsh, the agent for Tampa Bay forward Jonathan Drouin, the trade request that led to Drouin's demotion to the AHL Affiliate Syracuse earlier last season has officially been withdrawn. Walsh speaking to ESPN on Thursday. “As Jo said at the end of the season, he wants to be back in Tampa next year,” Walsh emailed ESPN. “It’s a tight-knit group, and going forward, he’s happy being part of it.”

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:41 am EST

TD Calling Hayes a disaster at center is being a little harsh don't you think? He has been horrible at wing, which you could say was a disaster. I just don't think this kid is as good as he thinks he is and outside of that hot streak which seams more like a lucky streak more than being what he actually is he has been a third line player with no defensive care in the world.

York18


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:39 am EST

And I also wanted to add a comment about what YORK said. YORK was 100% correct about SULLY. SULLY knew HAGS and what he could do. He knew what he wanted the Pens to be in terms of speed and system and knew that HAGS was the poster child for that type of game. We all know that HAGS is no GRETZKY. But when you take that player and put him in a system that is built around his strengths, and then put him with a gifted player that he has great chemistry with (KESSEL) you get great results. The same goes for SHEARY and RUST. Neither is an All-Star. But both play a lot like HAGS. Both were perfect for that system and both contributed to that team's success more then their pedigree says they should have been able to. So congrats to SULLY and RUTHERFORD for quickly identifying the kind of game they wanted to play (modeled after the Rangers of the previous 2 years with some adjustments IMHO) and making the roster moves necessary to put together a team that could play that way. It is more then a coach developing a system to the players that he has. It is a coach and GM working together to quickly transform a roster based on a shared belief in how to win in today's NHL. And it really contrasts how poorly the Rangers GM and Coach seem to work together to do the same. With the Rangers we have a GM who has brought in expensive assets that the coach either clearly didn't want, or had little use for (YANDLE and STAAL in particular). If that doesn't change it is hard to believe that anything positive is going to come out of this off-season.

Vic


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:27 am EST

TD: No offense taken at all. When I made that prediction right after the trade I was saying that on top of all of the other points I made about the value of HAGS as a player. My reasoning is that he was trending up as a player in terms of offensive ability and I was gambling that he was going to have one of those career type years where he put up the best numbers he would likely put up in his career. I reasoned that because he was moving to a new team with stronger offensive weapons where he would get the chance to play with better players and get more ice time in offensive situations. I also thought he would have a big season because his shooting percentage was lower by several percent from his career in that last year with the Rangers. For whatever reason it didn't work out in Anaheim. Was it due him showing up at the very end of camp by agreement with the club? Was it due to a horrific start by an Anaheim club in shambles at the time, especially GETZLAF and their Centers? Was it due to the system and the coach? I don't know. What I do know is that the moment he hit the ice for the Pens he pretty much had the season that I thought he would have. And if you extrapolate his numbers for the Pens out to a full season it would be 22 goals. One more then KREIDER's 21 goals and that was how this whole thing started and why that was question number 1 in the Texas Pickem' that we did.

Vic


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:20 am EST

I mentioned this about STEPAN earlier: He's the one guy who has a reasonable contract that doesn't have a NMC who teams would want. If he's moved as unfortunately I suspect he will be, it will be so that Gorton can pursue STAMKOS full-tilt...Moving NASH, BRASSARD, STAAL or, in the unlikely event there's a taker, GIRARDI, will bring back pennies on the dollar. Step could get them a similar haul to O'REILLY...so you're looking at a two or three top prospect and maybe a second rounder...maybe a first and second and a top prospect...Then if Stamkos doesn't work out, MILLER moves to the middle and becomes the Rangers' number two center...the HAYES-being-a-malcontent rumor wouldn't surprise me...nor would him being traded...Regardless of whether the rumor is true, he's not going to get the money he wants and it's pretty clear AV doesn't think too highly of him...At any rate, the Hayes-at-center has been a disaster and is yet another weak spot in the Rangers' lineup. I think LINDBERG is their number three center going into the season and going forward...and I'm completely comfortable with that...In short, I think the Rangers' moves over the next four weeks will be predicated by the following in importance: 1. Making moves to free up the cap space they need to sign STAMKOS; 2. Moving players they can trade for peak value and without eating salary; 3. Making sure the lineup they have going into 2016 is more talented than the one that got them a first-round exit. Think it's possible...but it's also going to take a lot of hard decisions...like the one to trade Step...the only one area I see them possibly trading a player for a lower return/eating salary is Staal...I could see them moving him at a loss so they can sign YANDLE...but we shall see.

tdchi


Sun Jun 19 2016 9:08 am EST

Stepan- to deal- or not to deal-that is the question. Stats-wise, he has been a good player for us. His speed, or lack thereof, has always been in question, and that never gets better with age. His ability on faceoffs average at best. It would depend on who would replace him- assuming it's NYR taking a run at Stamkos if Stepan is dealt- which is a huge gamble. As York said, would be going from too many centers to too few if Hayes dealt too. Hayes of course, may be the only slower forward than Derekn the squad.

puckyou


Sun Jun 19 2016 6:09 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/18/penguins-gms-on-the-fly-roster-building-a-template-for-rangers/

stevielegs


Sun Jun 19 2016 5:54 am EST

HAPPY FATHER'S DAY to all you Dad's out there. Even the ones with fur kids who have four on the floor.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 19 2016 5:38 am EST

Here comes stamkos cause here comes stamkos Claus .... Right down saton's lane ....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 19 2016 5:16 am EST

Interesting if GOrther is looking to move Stepan knowing Hayes also wants out, the team goes from too many centers to not enough.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 11:41 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blues-gm-armstrong-expecting-captain-backes-to-hit-free-agent-market/

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 9:19 pm EST

Per the Ottawa Sun.... "It sure sounds like New York Rangers GM Jeff Gorton has been busy working the phones. Lots of talk he’s listening on centre Derek Stepan, who has a contract that runs through 2020-21 season. A big test for Gorton will be getting RFA winger Chris Kreider signed because he’s a valuable asset ... If anybody thought centre Eric Staal, who was dealt to the Rangers at the deadline last season, is headed back to the Carolina Hurricanes as a UFA on July 1, it sure sounds doubtful that will happen."

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:56 pm EST

MF it's like going to the Dr and getting mad at the Dr because you broke your leg jumping off the roof. He's just delivering the news you did the damage yourself.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:26 pm EST

Aren't we fortunate to have the stupid police on the wall?

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:20 pm EST

TD I hope you're drunk because your post certainly comes off as an angry drunk also makes anything you say kind of invalid because you can't seem to have the slightest appearance of being unbiased...................................MF have no idea what you're talking about in terms of stupid, don't blame me because you made a dumb ass post look in the mirror and blame that guy. Maybe next time proof read your post and ask yourself is this stupid? You can save yourself having to be told the obvious

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 6:52 pm EST

Slegs: we must unload NMC's..... & or get 1st & 2nd year players back in trade that do NOT need to be protected....... Here;s the double whammy about expanding the league one team at a time and one year at a time; if the rules stay the same, many of the young players that do NOT need to be protected when this first expansion team joins the league (say Vegas) will need to be protected next time around when the next expansion team is introduced into the league........ How's that for Stupid, York?

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 6:19 pm EST

Hello boston want to unite the brothers in a haze ? ... Saton Wtfu ....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 18 2016 6:18 pm EST

WIOSA - Here's the bottom line: F the Penguins. Period. This is EXACTLY why I hate this team so much...the minute they win, I'm reading headlines like "who will ever stop the Pens..." blah blah blah...and that lame-ass Brooksie's ridiculous mastabatory piece about what the Rangers and Islanders can learn from Pittsburgh...learn? Learn?!? Like what? To tank? Already admitted I underestimated that shit-hole team and that's the best you'll get from me...I still don't think they're the best team in the NHL or that they're anything special...Come back to me next seaosn at this time and maybe you'll get a different answer...as for Hags...and I grimace even talking about him more...the narrative when he was traded indeed was that he was going to be some sort of star when he teamed up with GETZLAF and PERRY...that narrative went to the pisser mighty quick..But you know what? I don't care. If there's one thing I hate more than the Penguins, it's discussing that POS team on a Ranger fan site. So one thing I'll agree with you one is yes: Let's talk about what the future could bring, not that wet fart of a team from western Pennsylvania wrapped in a dirty diaper.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 4:58 pm EST

I hope that for Hayes sake that the team told him (or his agent) that they will likely move him and his "i don't want to play even if they give me a chance" stems from them writing him off, and feels that once they have done that they had better move him. But on the other hand, his track record kind of lends one to think that he just has an issue, and needs to grow up. There is another skilled guy in the NHL like that, Duchene, has immaturity issues, and still, 7 years into his career has not grown up. If Hayes could be like that at all, the Rangers need to move him like now.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 18 2016 4:44 pm EST

OKSANEN? BFD...Dylan - Enjoy Winnipeg, Edm or Minnesota....Something real please happen...Back to Rosterbation in all it's glory....

Hospo


Sat Jun 18 2016 4:28 pm EST

Carl Klingberg also happens to be a RHS if anyone is interested..... Hope he & Jensen make the lower 6 along with Fast,& Stalberg........ Ciao Dom Moore, Ciao Tanner Glass, and I look forward to the MSG faithful booing Hayes...........

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 4:22 pm EST

puck you.............(Hayes)..........man you just gave me the best Fathers Day gift I think I've ever had...............(just kidding) but thanks for the wonderfull news.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jun 18 2016 2:53 pm EST

Right on York, if that's how Mr. 30-something faceoff percentage backcheck-phobic 'center' wants to react to his benching. I think there's potential for him but if that's really his attitude? Then the only think I'll miss about him is how his danglefests would remind me of Kovalev.

LeoS


Sat Jun 18 2016 2:48 pm EST

York, if all true this kids attitude makes Yakupov look like a quireboy... OAN, jmo, with this damn expansion shite going on, the teams that are cap strapped are going to have a hell of a time working things out.... IF Girardi and or Staal agree to waive their NMC, we may have to throw in a guy like Hayes to unload one of our NMC'S.... I can see teams like us who have too many NMC contracts getting short changed on trades they are going to be forced into.... That's when the mismanagement of this team is really going to show its ugly head.... Jmo, on a BS Saturday

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 2:26 pm EST

If there is any truth to what you're saying puck this kid can't be gone quick enough, doesn't sign with the Hawks because he isn't going to play where he wants, signs here and because he played like shite he wants to go somewhere else. Good Riddance someone said they felt he had something in his contract that stopped him from being sent down and I didn't believe it but after reading this I sure do. This kids ego has no end says he's playing good when he's playing like shite and everyone said he had a bad season but he really didn't. take away that three week hotstreak from his first year and you have exactly the same production out of this kid. I disliked him before but now I really can't stand this kid, hope he gets traded and then comes back here and MacL runs him into the first row and ends his career.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 2:03 pm EST

Ducks ink Vatanen, sakic says Tyson Barrie not going anywhere, bother articles are on the Hockey News.com

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 12:55 pm EST

Buddy of mine who knows Hayes well says he's not coming back. Apparently he doesn't want to play here anymore even if NYR give him another chance- so I expect to see him gone- hopefully at the draft

puckyou


Sat Jun 18 2016 12:26 pm EST

MF stop the BS my god what is it stupid BS saturday? It had nothing to do with his contract and had everything to do with his rep, his rep alone left him off the invite list for the World Cup this year and US could really use his scoring and speed, but they left him off for the very same reasons people didn't want him here. He was not doing all that well in Pitt till paired with Hags and Boitano if you're going to say people didnt want him here, sure but don't make shite up

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 12:19 pm EST

TD wow. Admit when youre wrong for gods' sake. We have all been wrong. I, for one wanted nothing to do with Kessel. I was kind of quietly gloating at what a bust he was when he got to Pittsburgh. RF4L compliments a team that EARNED their cup and he's suddenly a Penguin fan? (Perish the thought). Nobody said Hagelin was a scorer, in fact YOU'RE the only one that is saying it. We have all said over and over, he's NOT a scorer, he's a solid speedy winger that opens ice for scorers. Recovers dump ins, and is probably one of the best PKers in the NHL. I think Murray did a helluva job. I was happy since it really rained on MAF's parade, and Im not fond of the big mouth. That said, I think he earned the Conn Smythe, not the Vezina. Murray didnt score....the Penguins have a potent deadly offense. It was shy a couple of players and their D needed more contribution, since it was a young inexperienced D. Hags helped with the D, as well as #6, forget his name. He came the same time. They earned the damn cup. You vastly underestimated their team and abilities. You werent the only one. Now, Moving right along. We have to rebuild this team. We just dont have the fire power or the core to build with anymore. We are not one player shy of a cup run (which I proclaimed we were for most of last season) We are in need of one top scorer, a power forward on wing. At least two solid dmen. We're not getting this.

WIOSA


Sat Jun 18 2016 11:10 am EST

Kessel was part of "that" team, but few here if any wanted anything to do with his contract.......

mf


Sat Jun 18 2016 10:24 am EST

Saton 'Gleff' Gorther....lololol

RF4L


Sat Jun 18 2016 10:22 am EST

Saton Gorther.....lololol

RF4L


Sat Jun 18 2016 10:10 am EST

saw a great combo name on sather and gorton.....saton.......

stevielegs


Sat Jun 18 2016 9:15 am EST

EVETS No way should this team take on Jackov, he made every player he was lined up with worse. Not by a small margin either corsi numbers took a huge drop when paired up with him including McDavid and Hall what does that say about this kid he can't play with anyone. Was left off the Russian WC team and they said not having him was addition by subtraction which also states a lot about his character because it was said him not being in the locker room would be better for the team.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 9:08 am EST

evets - I wouldn't mind adding KORPIKOSKI at all...Think he'd be a great addition to our PK/third line...but YAKUPOV? Nah. The guy is a bust. I'd rather keep HAYES than get that guy.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 9:04 am EST

Rough Finnish translation through Google...takeaway from below jibberish..sounds like it's the Wolfpack that has signed OKSANEN, not the Rangers. Again, could be a sleeper. Good signing for the Pack and hopefully a future Rangers. " Espoo Blues juniors left the world Ahti Oksanen has signed a one-year contract with the Hartford Wolf Pack. Wolf Pack AHL playing Cl and is the New York Rangers farmiseura. Oksanen made during its four University of Boston University ranks 150 match power 51 + 64. He was the period that ended his team's second-best point man. Oksanen 23-year-old was regarded as one of the most interesting Finnish university players in the NHL in mind. The possibility of the NHL's side does not open. - A small disappointment, of course, that the NHL come to an agreement, but on the other hand, this is another step closer to the NHL, which must be excited and satisfied. Next season following is thinking Hartford Wolf Pack of the future, and especially clearly the best NHL dream come true for the option, Oksanen says the extension period. 191-centimeter, 95-kilogram Oksanen participated in the summer of 2015 the New York Rangers camp. - I do not know how many there were other interested clubs, because from the beginning it was clear that if an NHL contract has not come, then Wolf Pack is the best opportunity for me. Branch can not lift straight up to the NHL's side as he plays with a clean AHL contract. He may, however, make an NHL contract during the period."

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 9:01 am EST

Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal stated that Nail Yakupov will definitely be moved this summer and that the Oilers will try to move Lauri Korpikoski and his 2.5 mil salary as well. Korpikoski scored 10 goals and 12 assists last year and would fit in pretty well on the bottom six. I wonder if Hayes would be enough to get it done. I'd love to give a former first overall a chance to flourish and Korpikoski would bring lots of speed, good PK ability, and a bottom six scoring threat. I just don't see Hayes getting a spot at center on this team and he has looked awful on the wing. He may become a great player, but I think Yakupov has a higher ceiling if he can fulfill his potential.

evets1980


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:59 am EST

Rhet0ric - my bad...not taking credit...just saying I've been talking about him for a while...really since his breakout year with EICHEL...I think the delay has been his surgery. Don't know if he's signing an AHL contract or an NHL contract, but if it's the latter, then I suspect the Rangers wanted to make sure his surgery was successful before making him one of the 50. I

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:56 am EST

RF/Vic - KLINGBERG is a very solid player. Bottom six, without a doubt...but solid player nonetheless...JENSEN may put up similar numbers and they may both be bottom six wingers...but that's about where they comparison ends. Klingberg is a far more physical player. Likes to dig in the corners. Actually, he reminds me a bit of a less-talented MILLER...plays with an edge, but can also score goals. If he's signing or returning to New York, it probably means the organization is moving on from STALBERG because that's who I could see him replacing...Jensen, OTOH, is more of a finesse player...better offensive instincts, though they both have them...better hands too. No problem with either of them on the Ranger roster, TBH. In fact, these are the types of players teams need to rely on with the cap...they're also the types of players that will bust ass for you and make your bottom lines dangerous.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:52 am EST

Excuse me TD, but I talked about Okasanen just as much as you did. It's also been rumored for about a month that he was going to sign with the NYR, though I'm not sure what took so long..... http://www.jatkoaika.com/Uutiset/yliopistosarjassa-tehoillut-ahti-oksanen-rangersin-farmijoukkueeseen/179648

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:50 am EST

Well York, I could cut and paste your whole post...but I won't. You know how to scroll down.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:49 am EST

TD.... Totally spot on about Hagelin and the Pens.... Gene Carr....I am still hopeful that we can move Staal. He should have some value around the League and it all depends on if he's willing to waive his NMC. I think it's safe to say that we are stuck with Girardi.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:48 am EST

Yes, I was the guy calling for them to sign OKSANEN. Seen him play a number of times and he'll be a very good signing. I wouldn't say he's a sure-shot NHLer by any stretch...but the potential is definitely their and I like his style...very responsible player with size and a little bit of everything...I'd say he was overshadowed a lot at BU because he started on D and then, when EICHEL rolled into town, the plopped him on wing...I suspect to be the defensively sound element to a high-test line that had promising Sharks prospect Dan O'REGAN on the other wing...he got bumped down for a while that year, but stayed on the PP...ended up second on the team in goals...but I think a lot of folks attributed that to him being with Eichel, so there were a lot of eyes on him this year to see if he could produce similar numbers...needless to say he didn't and I think many sort of took his one strong year as an Eichel-induced aberration...but in truth, the kid was playing injured from midseason on. I think it was in December he separated his shoulder or something...but played through the pain anyway and finished the season still with very respectable numbers...He had surgery pretty much the week after BU got eliminated and I think the only thing the Rangers were waiting on was to see that everything went as planned...and if they're signing him to an AHL contract, maybe they're still not convinced...but regardless, Oksanen is a very solid signing. I suspect he'll play forward...and I suspect he'll need some seasoning in Hartford...but I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the Rangers' fourth line at some point next season.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:42 am EST

TD, I guess you have some way to look at alternate futures that never occurred and know the outcome because you state everything as fact that didn't happen but state it because you said it means it would have had to happen yeah, and if the queen had balls she'd be king.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:41 am EST

TD where did anyone say he was the only reason, go ahead take your time go and find it and get back to me, You won't be getting back to me because you can't find it, but as usual you go off on one of your stupid rants and your hate for anything that comes out of pitt, ever hear the old saying You must be proud of your enemy: then the success of your enemy shall be your success too. probably not but anyways once again you spout off half cocked because your hate of the pens and you look stupid acting like you're letting any of us in on some super secret info that we all missed during the season.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:38 am EST

Errr....errors in thise moves...

RF4L


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:37 am EST

TD. Bottom line is we are agreeing the Gorther has made a few critical roster moves/ decisions recrntly...

RF4L


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:34 am EST

York. Bang on about the Hawks. And then they went on win 2 more cups!!

RF4L


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:33 am EST

RF4L - With no offense to Vic intended, what he actually predicted after HAGELIN was traded was that he would go on to score upward of 30 goals and win the cup with Anaheim...which, as well all know, was not the case...where I agree with Vic's assessment is that I would pay $4 million for Hags over $7.8 million for NASH...where we disagree is that Hagelin is this transformative player. I think the Rangers with Hagelin last year might have made it farther...he certainly would have improved the PK to a degree...and I agree, his ethic is infectious....but the main problem last year was the D. Dan BOYLE and GIRARDI gave teams a one-in-three chance of having a clear path to the net...That is what sank the Rangers, not Carl Hagelin not being on the wing...But I do also agree that the Rangers seem to turn their nose up at some real meat-and-potatoes players...I think the Rangers with Brian BOYLE, STRALMAN and Hags, and sans a player like Nash would have been a far better team...in other words, had they cut and run on Nash two years ago...moved his dumbass for a dented washer and a bucket of chum...and paid all three of those players their current contracts(obviously passing on Dan Boyle too)...I think the Rangers would have been a stronger squad.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:23 am EST

Ugh..RFC has become PenFC again. I don't know what's more sickening...that picture in the Post or the utter adulation...the verbal felation of the Pens. Team got hot at the right time...got INCREDIBLE goaltending, which was the foremost reason they won...I'll dial everyone back to the regular season, where the mighty Penguins under Mike "Scotty Bowman Sullivan with future Hall of Famer Carl HAGELIN got shutout by the Rangers...handily defeated 3-zip during the regular season...difference between that team and the playoff team? Matt MURRAY...Him and they had all the right pieces fall into place. Few seem to recall how bad the Pens were to start the season...and of course, HAGELIN was PART of that cup win...but to pick him out and say that he, and only he was the reason the Pens won is just stupid beyond words.. Tell you what he did for them: He gave them a bad-ass third line...But the Pens without Murray? Without SHEARY...without RUST...without all the scrubs they picked out of nowhere? Guess what...no cup...And I stress again: No late-season concussion for Marc-Andre FLEURY and he's in net for the playoffs? No cup. They might not have even gotten past the Rangers... If STAMKOS was healthy? No cup. If SEGUIN was healthy? No cup. It makes me viscerally sick to hear some of you guys go on about how great that franchise is when it has literally FLOUNDERED with two of the best players in the world on its roster and needed an almost unprecedented late-season turnaround to end up where they were...The other thing I find hilarious...and this is more gauged to the pukes in the media than anyone here...is that the Penguins are the new bar and it's set in the stratosphere...when in fact they are a good team that got a whole great string of luck. Granted, this is what most cup winners need: the perfect blend of talent, coaching, effort and yes, luck...the Pens were no exception to this rule.

tdchi


Sat Jun 18 2016 8:16 am EST

If Girardi can not be traded and has to be protected in the expansion draft then I would keep an eye on Klein being moved. Keep him for a year and lose him for nothing or trade him now or during the season and maximize the return. That must be something being considered now. On the guys who were let go, obviously Haglen was underestimated, Boyle should have been resigned, and Strallman for Boyle is beyond reason.

gene_carr


Sat Jun 18 2016 7:53 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/6/18/11963098/draft-profile-jonathan-dahlen-timra-ik

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 18 2016 7:20 am EST

and not having to see this picture in the nyp......http://nypost.com/2016/06/14/5-lessons-rangers-islanders-can-learn-from-stanley-cup-champs/

stevielegs


Sat Jun 18 2016 7:05 am EST

For the pigpens adding CH, u don't want to say his name it's not pc, is similar to what happened when the fishtanks added Skelton goring . Sometimes adding one guy most times its two guys , and a team becomes a TEAM. I assume that was sully convincing his gm . To be honest I didn't think he had it in him . So give their gm credit . I just wished sully would have stuck with wilted flower and all this didn't happen. ... Back to the future....have to get my crystal ball and time machine working....by the way the guy's name is Carl Hagelin and he was sorely missed by the nyr because he's a spark plug . Try running a car with a misfiring spark plug ...in 94 some say noonan and matteau....what's the most you would pay to fix your car if it needs a spark plug while on a very important trip in your car.?... There have been plenty of players traded that fans regret ... And teams made a mistake because they refused to overpay them... No cap or no cap hell and Hagelin doesn't get traded. ...MAYBE... And the pigpens probably don't succeed ...:and MAYBE the nyr do....ill let you know when I get my back to the future car's spark plug ..:. But I'd overpay in hindsight if I just knew it would have stopped them from winning it...

stevielegs


Sat Jun 18 2016 4:56 am EST

RF it hasn't been a few years since they last won a cup, but I would gladly take their cap hell problem over ours any day of the week, after winning a cup. The Hawks faced a similar problem after their first cup the pens should be able to figure it out maybe miss contending again this year but contend again the year after, or maybe they contend again this year. they won a cup with Malkin on their third line, that's crazy if he were on the Rangers he would instantly be on the first line, yet on Pitt hes their third line center man to have that problem must be nice.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 4:53 am EST

WIOSA, it's crazy to think but they really didn't have a dominant second line till Hags arrived, now imagine Malkin goes down and no Hags and maybe that line doesnt become the line it did without Hags and they miss the playoffs. Like we both said Hags makes guys better and with Kessel it was obvious he worked and played like he never did before he played with Hags. Their PK instantly became a threat with Hags as well, they went from mediocre to one of the best in the league, while the Rangers went from one of the best to mediocre Hags" impact was,felt on both teams in the pens case in a positive way, and in the Rangers a negative way. I take wihat Andrei says with a grain of salt because he rarely ever looks at a complete picture of any player from what I have seen looks for warts only. I just think it's crazy to think what would happen had there been no Hags and here is the funniest thing about it, imagine no Sully, because he was the reason the Pens traded for Hags, he knew that Hags was better than his Ducks time consisted of and needed the right coach who knew how to use him and Sully was that guy since he coached him here.

York18


Sat Jun 18 2016 12:43 am EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/chris-kreider-talks-rangers-early-playoff-exit-season-article-1.2677872

mf


Fri Jun 17 2016 10:43 pm EST

andrei: Yep the Penguins appear to be on the cusp of cap hell. The Rangers are in that neighbourhood, too. Guess what? The Pens just got a cup, their 2nd in the past few years. The Rangers? No cup since 1994. I'd happily take the Pens pending cap hell if that's the trade off. You???

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 9:43 pm EST

LeoS: sorry about that, I should have prefaced the post with something like, "researching the terms of Girardis last contract, yada yada," Oh my G-d if we had given him another contract extension, shoot me please.........

mf


Fri Jun 17 2016 9:33 pm EST

Andrei...Kessel was not working with Malkin or Crosby. Hags completed that line. As York said, there is more to hockey t h an scoring. YORKIE..interesting scenario....Whats done is done. Hoping Brady, Stepan, or Yandle don't become expendable by stat numbers alone.

WIOSA


Fri Jun 17 2016 8:48 pm EST

Andrei you don't want people to talk about Hags but you haven't shut up about him all day, try leading by example, and for someone who supposedly played the game at a high level you would know scoring goals isn't all that needs to be done to win games. But hey don't let things like that stop you

York18


Fri Jun 17 2016 8:12 pm EST

Bob McKenzie was asked on SiriusXMNHL about which teams he could see targeting Stamkos as UFA. #Leafs, #RedWings noted, as has been case. Also.... McKenzie: "I could see the New York Rangers, depending on their cap situation," making run at Stamkos. #NYR #TBLightning.... McKenzie: I could see upwards of a double-digit number of teams probably prepared to give Stamkos double-digit millions on 7-year contract.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 17 2016 7:20 pm EST

WIOSA, with all due respect, if we had 5 Hags on the team, we wouldn't had come out of 1st round. You don't score, you don't win. Can i ask how Hags and his excellent .03 points average in playoffs would have helped? That means he average 1 point per 3 playoffs game for the Rangers... Main issue with the Rangers this past season, was not even upfront, it was on defense and goaltending. Whole defensive group sucked.. Hags would not have helped there either. Would have Hags helped Gerardi to his head out of his ass? Would Hags made Boyle a better player? Would have he helped Staal? On top it, Hank was not good at all. How having Hags would have changed the series outcome? I know we all have favorites. i like Hags, he is a good player. I don't think it was horrible move. Could we have gotten more? Not sure... His average is .48 points per game, .20 goal per game. That's average numbers. He does have speed, good PK, and most importantly, he gives his 100%. If makes $4 mil on the team, how much Krider should be making, or Miller, or all players that Rangers will need to be re-signing in the next 3-4 seasons. You need to look at the bigger picture..

andrei


Fri Jun 17 2016 6:33 pm EST

WIOSA beg to differ pens don't have hags that magic second line doesn't happen maybe they don't have that dominant run and miss the playoffs maybe the rangers win the first round matchup against the panthers.

York18


Fri Jun 17 2016 6:17 pm EST

All..before we salivate over the Brooklyn. Dman Osawhatever. He does not have impressive special teams stats..and he's a-60 career. Andrei, over and over..discussing Ranger mgt lousy deals. Poor cap mgt. Their lousy analytical ability. Hags is a perfect. example of all three. Had we kept Hags we still wouldve been out in the first round. It is not his loss per se, but all the poor choices NYR have made. PS. I happened to have liked Hags as well

WIOSA


Fri Jun 17 2016 5:43 pm EST

RF, Vic...No rules, but Hangs love fest is getting old. Really old. Three month, every time Hags will get a point, it was like we traded Gretzky in his prime... He is a good player, don't get me wrong. Good player,, but a great player. 3rd liner player on this team. Period. Had he stayed, same 3rd line duties. I'm sorry if i had to break it to you. 3rd line players do not get paid $4 mil on a good team. Just because Hags did what he did for pens, has 0 relevance of what he could have done here. None. We are not Pit, he did not play on the line with Bonino and Kessel's here. His highest point total for the Rangers was whooping 35 points. He had amazing 12 points, in 48 games playing for the Ducks. Guess how many points he would have had playing a 3rd line past season for the Rangers? Exactly, same amazing 12 points in 48 games, and you two would have being first here chanting here how bad Hags signing was... You can't have it both ways.... Guess what. Pit's now in the cap hell, and will forced to trade Malkin just to have enough room under the cap to sign there own players. Same with BB. Another great player, who got away. Only player i was sda to see leave with Anton Stralman ...

andrei


Fri Jun 17 2016 4:39 pm EST

"The buyout window has opened and we will now see if the previous reports that the Rangers will not opt to do so with Dan Girardi are true. I’ve said ad nauseam that it financially doesn’t make sense this summer, as the penalty is steep for a long time as per Cap Friendly: 16-17: $1.75 million 17-18: $2.75 million 18-19: $3.75 million 19-20: $3.75 million 20-21: $1.25 million 21-22: $1.25 million 22-23: $1.25 million 23-24: $1.25 million"

stevielegs


Fri Jun 17 2016 4:34 pm EST

Girardi to me was a case of that classic mistake teams make where you pay them for what they've done. Not what they are gonna do. Ask Chicago about Bickell.

E


Fri Jun 17 2016 4:33 pm EST

VIC: I don't think it can be understated the impact that Brian Boyle's departure made. You lost a guy who could win every key defensive zone draw by virtue alone that he could push forward and tie them up. But I cannot confirm this but by the way he spoke in pressers and his presence it was clear that he played a big role in the leadership role. He may not have worn a letter but I think he was there. And I see him doing the same in TB. He's always doing the press'ers etc... I personally always liked the guy. He wasn't graceful, he certainly had his limitations but he kept heads on a swivel when he was out there. And of course I was livid when Stralman was allowed to work. I felt that G had a short shelf life and would begin to break down. He lacked the ability to possess the puck which is a big deal to me. He's certainly someone I really didn't like but admired the blood and guts. But Stralman was cheaper and I really felt his game was reaching elite level status. To cultivate a player who was that good only to see him walk when he isn't even earning a max contract yet??? Two of the poorest decisions in recent memory. Of course add Hagelin to that mix. J/K

E


Fri Jun 17 2016 4:05 pm EST

STRANGER:. I don't have it in front of me at the moment but I believe GIRARDI has 3 or 4 years left on his contact. If I recall correctly when you buy out a player you incur a cap hit of half of the player's average cap hit for the contract applied each year for double the remaining years on his contract. So if he has 3 years left at $6 mil cap hit per year the buyout would cost the Rangers $3mil against the cap for the next 6 years. No way they can afford that.

Vic


Fri Jun 17 2016 3:28 pm EST

Ok if you can not move Girardi before the expansion draft why can't you buy him out right before or the season before and have minimal cap impact?

NYStranger


Fri Jun 17 2016 2:14 pm EST

mf - no, I meant the actual part "the Rangers have signed Girardi to a contract extension...", like it happened this morning (another extension)!

LeoS


Fri Jun 17 2016 2:03 pm EST

Leo, seems some of us misinterpreted whether or not Girardi needed to be protected as per his contract... I for one thought we were flying under the wire and did NOT. Now it seems the clarification is that we MUST protect him.... The straight jacket just got tighter for us to wiggle out of.... Time for some of our best "Houdini."

mf


Fri Jun 17 2016 1:59 pm EST

ANDREI and NEWFIE: Suit yourself. Don't talk about him. But I'm sure you aren't suggesting what others can and can't talk about, right? And for the record.....we aren't talking about HAGS because we are holding a HAGS Lovefest. We are talking about HAGS in the context of what a shitty job GORTHER has done, and how he has made horrible mistakes regarding the players that were resigned and the ones that were traded. Mistakes like letting STRALMAN walk and then signing BOYLE as his replacement. Mistakes like letting BRIAN BOYLE walk instead of resigning him. It is no accident that those three players (HAGS, BOYLE and STRALMAN) are the only 3 players in the NHL to play in the Conference Finals 4 out of the last 5 years. They were all a big part of the Rangers success (especially in the playoffs) and all three have gone on to be a big part of their new team's success after the Rangers undervalued them and pissed them away. And that doesn't even address the stupid, overpaying contracts to BRASSARD, STEPAN, GIRARDI and STAAL...........not to mention HANK.

Vic


Fri Jun 17 2016 1:59 pm EST

TD: Isn't Oksanen a guy you were clamouring for? I cannot recall...

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 1:59 pm EST

andrei: Excuse us if we are breaking your rules about what can and cannot be discussed on here...geesh.

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 1:53 pm EST

mf - I'm just catching up on the Wall from a few days away but your post to Rhet about Girardi's contract extension...as I read it I thought at first it was a *current* event and I swear my heart stopped for a beat or two. Gettin' too old for this :)

LeoS


Fri Jun 17 2016 1:03 pm EST

andrei,..................I'm with on Hags ! enough already. He is now officially" long gone " after winning the Cup with another team. Just another opposition player...........period.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jun 17 2016 12:16 pm EST

A bit more from Hockey's Future: Oksanen is versatile in that he can play both forward and defense almost equally well. His style has often been described as that of a rover. Oksanen possesses good size (6’3”, 209 lbs.) and utilizes his strong frame at both ends of the ice. This has been especially evident in his drives to the net and in his ability to protect the puck. He is a strong yet fluid skater with very good foot speed. One of Oksanen’s attributes that scouts have taken particular notice of is his shot; he possesses a hard, lethal shot and can get pucks to the net. Oksanen also possesses an excellent stick. While Oksanen plays with a good amount of grit, he also plays with remarkable discipline.

evets1980


Fri Jun 17 2016 12:14 pm EST

Here's a bit on Oksanen: Ahti Oksanen, Left Wing, Boston University Terriers, Senior (6’3″ 209 lbs) Oskanen was converted from defence to wing during his junior season, and scored 25 goals in his new position last year, spending most of the year on a line with Jack Eichel. This year he’s proven that it wasn’t all Eichel, putting up 15 goals and 34 points in 34 games so far this year without the phenom. The 23-year-old Finnish native has got all the skills to be a solid winger, but must continue to gain experience at the position. His game features strong skating, puck handling, passing and vision, and a cannon of a shot. Some teams may want to put him back on the point, and if so he can definitely be an efficient powerplay quarterback at the AHL level. That said he lacks one-on-one defensive skills and as such his future likely lies on wing when it comes to 5 on 5 play.

evets1980


Fri Jun 17 2016 12:11 pm EST

According to @NHLRumorsDaily, the Rangers have signed defenseman Ahti Oksanen to a minor league deal.

evets1980


Fri Jun 17 2016 11:37 am EST

WALLSTERS: I have not yet read today's post's so excuse me if this is out of sequence: I just received the following reply to my email from "General Fanager." ........ Read from the bottom up: Hi MF, The symbols are indeed correct, we received his contract language yesterday. It states specifically that the NMC is in effect for the entire duration of the contract. He does have a modified NTC that starts in 2017, but this only affects trades. The NMC continues to be in effect for other transactions……… Based on what has been reported to date, we do expect that Girardi will have to be protected in the expansion draft (unless the Rangers are able to convince him to waive his NMC). This may change as official news comes out, but this is the expectation at this point. You can also see this in our Expansion Mock Draft tool:……… generalfanager.com/teams/expansion………. Thanks, TP ………. generalfanager.com ……… On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:47 PM, MF wrote:…….. Dear Sir or Madam,…. Are the “legend symbols” associated with Dan Girardi’s contract accurate AND depicting the actual terms of his contract?...... Dan Girardi has a modified no trade clause for years 4, 5, & 6 of his contract. I am trying to confirm whether or not…… The NY Rangers “must” protect him if he is still a Ranger come the expansion draft point in time……. Please advise, Thank you, MF …… From the NHL CBA pg # 353 (section # 37)……… http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf

mf


Fri Jun 17 2016 10:55 am EST

Man.... This is getting old. Haggelin this, Haggelin that. Can we stop with Hags love fest already. How many of you were missing Hags when he sucked ass in Anaheim? How many of you would be clamoring to get Hags and his 4 mil salary out of NY, if had stayed in NY? He would have had 10 goals and 25 assists playing on the 3rd line.. 99% here would be saying how bad signing it was... In Pit's he played with Kassels and Benino. Do Rangers have Kassels, not that i would ever wanted him here... I don't see anything close on our 3rd line. Stop already..

andrei


Fri Jun 17 2016 10:45 am EST

if i was putting up $500 mil, i'd also be demanding being able to draft this year, and next year with the #1 pick in each round.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 17 2016 10:37 am EST

"the Rangers sent restricted free agent forward Carl Hagelin and two draft picks (No. 59 and 179) to the Anaheim Ducks for Emerson Etem and the No. 41 pick in the draft.".....which is now jansen and gropp......rf4l why does gropp have to be a top 6 when hagelin was not ? .....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 17 2016 9:34 am EST

Vic: True, but you analysed things much more effectively. I argued it was a cap motivated move - I under-estimated the value Hags brought to the team. I also argued and still believe the return was ridiculous and reeked of Gorther not doing his homework - he appeared to reach out to but 1 GM and took the best deal that GM offered. In the end that's what really irks me - unless Gropp turns into a legitimate top 6 NHL forward, Gorther got fleeced IMO. And yes, it's nice to be right but in these cases, I'd rather be wrong. I concur that many of us on here are calling things correctly and Gorther is leaving lots to be desired.

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 9:26 am EST

As for KLINGBERG, his assessment of the Rangers situation is correct. Is his assessment of his own ability and place on the Rangers roster? I don't know but from the Rangers position they need to find some diamonds in the rough. They need to dumpster dive by the bushel and hope that 1 or 2 make the team and actually can contribute. I say that because I don't see any moves of significance that are going to drastically improve the Rangers this year while simultaneously addressing their Cap issues. Unless, of course, there is another GM out there that is a moron. There is always that hope......that there is another GM out there dumber then your GM.

Vic


Fri Jun 17 2016 9:22 am EST

RF: I remember you being on that bus as well. And I'm sure you agree that we would rather it that we were wrong and the Rangers were right in these moves. We would rather that we just be the dumb fans and GORTHER be the expert who sees things correctly and makes the right moves and non-moves. Unfortunately the Wall has been far more right then GORTHER.

Vic


Fri Jun 17 2016 8:55 am EST

Klingberg's stats, primarily from the AHL, are mediocre and remind me, actually of Nik Jensen's - about a point every 2nd game. Just a depth player I guess...

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 8:46 am EST

Carl Klingberg, who the Rangers acquired from Winnipeg for Lee Stempniak in 2015 and played last season in the KHL, wants to come back to North America and thinks he would be a good fit with the Rangers. (Hockey Sverige) Klingberg, 25, said that he wanted to stay in North America last season but the Rangers were offering a cut in salary. (Hockey Sverige) He said that he thinks he would fit "perfectly" with the Rangers and said that the team is adding Pavel Buchnevich "but then what." (Hockey Sverige) Klingberg said that Buchnevich can play in the top six and that he would be a bottom-six player. He added that the Rangers have a lot of veterans with high cap hits and that the team may need lower paid players down in the lineup. (Hockey Sverige)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 17 2016 8:17 am EST

Vic: Gotta give you credit dude - you called the Hags trade from the moment it went down and have been proven right, too (IMO).

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 8:01 am EST

STEVIE: Regarding HAGS, that is the point that many of us made here since the trade went down. The NHL (and many here) have a mentality that is "pay for stats" based. Specifically they correlate salary based on offensive stats. As a result they don't value a guy like HAGS. He is just another bottom 6 player in a sea of bottom 6 players. Easily replaced. It drives me crazy because the stats freaks have lost all connection to the only concept that really matters......Winning. I've made this argument many times before here and I'll make it again. If I had one game to win tonight and I could only dress one of NASH or HAGS who would I dress? I don't even have to think about it. I dress HAGS 100 out of 100 times. I do that because HAGS is one of the ELITE defensive players in this league. He is an outstanding penalty killer who is always a threat shorthanded. He is an outstanding fore-checker who uses his speed and quickness to completely disrupt the other team's ability to possess the puck or make plays within their normal timing and rhythm. He contributes offensively at even strength (something often overlooked) and he has a history of making the guys he plays with play quicker (and better). He also gives 100 percent effort on every shift of every game. You sum all of that up and what you have is a Difference Maker in HAGS. But when you talk about HAGS making $4 Mil per year somehow that is overpaying? Really? Sounds like a steal to me. While everyone agrees that paying NASH $7.8 Mil is overpaying, what if NASH only cost $4 Mil per year? That would be great right? He would be a bargain at $4 Mil per year, right? After all that is the basis for all of these trade scenarios we see here. If the Rangers eat $2 Mil or $3 Mil other teams would love to have him and would trade players that the Rangers want/need, right? GORTHERS failures so far revolve around the inability to properly assess what the Rangers have and do not have. What they need and what they do not need. GORTHER has undervalued Difference Makers and overvalued stats and Names. And the Rangers have suffered for it.

Vic


Fri Jun 17 2016 7:54 am EST

Rhet: What a horrible contract. *SIGH*

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 7:53 am EST

TD: Well, we can argue all we want about whether the Rangers would have beaten the Sharks but in the end it's meaningless. The Rangers were ousted quite easily by the Penguins in round one and the Sharks made the cup finals. Nuff said about it I think. Let's talk about something we both agree on - will the Rangers end up with a first rounder next Friday?

RF4L


Fri Jun 17 2016 7:50 am EST

TD...dogging it? That is IMHO a rarity in pro sports. What we do have are players that need someone to push them competitively...as in runners or racers need good competitirs right next to them to set their pace. Many skiers prefer the better ones go first for this reason. I think Miller, Hayes, Fast fit into this category. Kreider OTOH..is a constant miss IMHO

WIOSA


Fri Jun 17 2016 7:31 am EST

6/16/16 | 3PM: In January, Larry Brooks spoke with Dan Girardi's agent and Girardi's agent Don Meehan said that Girardi's contract features "a full no-move in the first 3 years and then in the last 3 years he can be traded to 15 teams." (NY Post) Today, Salary Cap website General Fanager reported on twitter that Girardi has a no-move clause throughout his entire contract as well the modified no-trade clause in the final three years. He said that he has received the contract language and said that it doesn't contradict what Brooks was told and noted that while the modified no-trade "governs trades," the no-move would apply to all other types of transactions, such as waivers. Cap Friendly, another salary cap website, confirms the General Fanager report of the no-move clause throughout and the 15 team no-trade list.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 17 2016 7:00 am EST

Here's an honest question I've been mulling: All season and now into the post season, we've heard about the Rangers' lack of effort...Yet seldom do was see names attached to this in print...HAYES is a guy who many of us point to and with good reason...but he's hardly the only one, right? So who are the others? Who were the guys most consistently dogging it?

tdchi


Fri Jun 17 2016 6:59 am EST

Not that it matters now but the do you not know the way to San Jose were without hertl .... And Barney kessell woke up and as a result so did the pigpens when they made the savvy trade to get Hagelin .... Maybe overpaid at $4 mil but worth every penny to them .... Alias role player intangibles ...something the nyr have overlooked many times .... The nyr without him went to sleep. .... That cost them more than $4 mil...and I'm not sure Sather, fishboy , and weeknow realize or would admit to that ...,

stevielegs


Fri Jun 17 2016 6:31 am EST

mf - I would be willing to bet if the Rangers offered Carolina even a modest sum for MURPHY, they'd move him. FAULK and HANIFAN are the future, with Hayden FLEURY knocking at the door. Brett PESCE too...Murphy is an RFA, so there's a chance the Canes will move him rather than negotiate a long-term deal...He's got the tools the Rangers could use...and he's a righty...BUT...he's going to be 24 next season and has yet to land himself a full-time job in Carolina, which Hanifan and Pesce managed to do pretty easily last season. In short, I think if you're putting the fate of the Rangers on the right side on Murphy's shoulders, you're in for a world of hurt.

tdchi


Fri Jun 17 2016 6:21 am EST

RF4L - And you're opinions are tainted by your overall malaise for this team...what's your point? You're stating as fact that the Rangers 'don't have any answer' for the Sharks and that's simply not true. They split their regular season series, which says to me they at least had the answer for one game. And I frankly don't know what Sharks team you were watching, but they didn't seem altogether that great to me. Yeah, one big line. Depthwise? Not that great of a team. I even said here there were FAR stronger teams in the west than the Sharks...The Blues, Hawks and Stars to name three. Even the Preds were a better team...the Sharks got hot at the right time and benefited from some late season injuries...Now you're making them out to be something that they're not. So bitch about the Rangers giving away picks. You're correct...they've made some bad moves...but complaining about how bad they are is just not reality. They lost to the cup winner. What could have been? Who knows. Inconsistency and AV's inability to get hold of his PK was the achillies heel of the Rangers, not that they had a weak team.

tdchi


Fri Jun 17 2016 4:55 am EST

14,000 of 17,500 seats sold ....http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f665e04a389a4bdb846216dcb14089c6/ap-source-nhl-settles-las-vegas-expansion

stevielegs


Fri Jun 17 2016 4:36 am EST

So what will they be the Las Vegas Black Knights ?.... Not very pc ....http://nypost.com/2016/06/14/nhl-is-really-putting-a-team-in-las-vegas-baby/

stevielegs


Fri Jun 17 2016 2:39 am EST

MF.... BTW.... If we do have to protect Girardi, you might want to pencil in our right side as Girardi/McIlrath/Murphy because Klein will definitely be taken in the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 17 2016 2:17 am EST

MF... Typically General Fanager get's these things correct more than anyone else. Girardi's contract is new. I don't believe there has ever been a Modified NMC before(if the info is correct). The problem is that its a contradiction in terms and being unique, we don't know the NHL's status for it in the expansion draft. BTW: Cap Frendly verifies General Fanager.... https://www.capfriendly.com/players/dan-girardi

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 16 2016 11:35 pm EST

Anyone here know much about Carolina's Ryan Murphy ??? Is he ready for a full NHL season? Any thoughts of a Right Defensive side of Klein / Murphy / McIlrath? ... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8660

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 10:48 pm EST

Rhet: http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/dan-girardi/ ......Contract Notes: No Move Clause: 2014-2016 ........ Modified No Trade: 2017-2019 ......... I sent General Fanager an email asking for clarification & confirmation about their "Legend Symbols" associated with the years of Girardi's contract..... weeeeeeeee. ain't this fun....... who can we trade next? AV !

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 10:18 pm EST

RF: I read that the Pens clamped down on SJ's penchant for cycling down low and passing the puck out to the points.. By doing such they took away much of Pavelski's game.. I think the situation is more that Pitt deserves credit for keeping Pavelski at bay more than Pavelski was a disappointment....

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 10:00 pm EST

E: No SJ doesn't have the Ranger defense overall, but the Rangers don't have a Brett Burns. He was lights out until the final. Then in the final, the Pens obviously did their homework and were constantly pressuring him when he had the puck on the point. It worked - unlike the first 3 series, it seemed far more often than not his shots didn't get thru. I realize Pavelski disappointed big time but I think the Pens shutting down the Burns weapon from the blueline had more to do with SJ's ineffectiveness than anything else.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 9:49 pm EST

BTW, if what's his head fetches a 5th for the alleged right to negotiate exclusively for 2 weeks, shouldn't Yandle fetch at least that? Lemme guess - Gorther is under the illusion he can resign Yandle so therefore, despite being draft pick challenged, he won't do such a deal. If so, yet more mismanagement....oh joy.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 9:46 pm EST

I called it when it went down and here were all with the chickens roosting - stupid deal handed out by SATHER to keep Girardi. It's gonna get stupider as time rolls on, too, unless somehow Gorther suckers another GM into taking that idiotic contract on.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 9:44 pm EST

TD: Come on dude...your passion and loyalty and rosy view is admirable, but geesh man, didn't you predict a Ranger victory against the Pens in the first round and then after, the demise of the Pens as the POs went on? Bottom line is the Rangers were ousted easily in the first round and the Sharks made it to the cup finals. We can muse and argue and whatever all we want but the results are the proof. And it's not like the Rangers come PO time were different vs the regular season. They played the way they played, save for a few stretches here and there, all season long and deserved to be bounced early. For me that's it, regardless of what filter one wishes to place over it. Just hope that Gorther does something in the next several days to address it...

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 9:26 pm EST

A Partial or Modified No-Trade Clause is often less restrictive than a Full No-Trade Clause, and depends on the conditions outlined in the player's contracts. Often these are No-Trade Clauses with conditions that give the player the right to provide a list of teams to which the team can or cannot trade the player....... http://www.generalfanager.com/cba .............. ice cream run, then I'll read the damn thing

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 9:06 pm EST

RHET: ... The New York Rangers and defenseman Dan Girardi have agreed to a contract extension, the team announced Friday.... Terms were not disclosed, but TSN's Darren Dreger reported it's for six years and $33 million. ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun reported the contract includes a full no-movement clause in the first three years and a modified no-trade clause in the final three...... From: https://www.nhl.com/news/rangers-girardi-agree-on-contract-extension/c-706979

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 7:25 pm EST

TD: I feel you but momentum is a bitch. The Pens just kept getting better as it progressed. They weren't just the better team. They were better then anybody in the NHL and their game seemed to improve. Granted, their speed, the Tortorella Testudo, and quick fire counter attack gave teams fits. I don't think most games were all that close. They played several games where they were giving up the most 3-6 shots and very little second effort shots. They had the goal blocked out. That team was gonna win the cup and it was obvious to me when the played the New York Rangers. I didn't think the New York Rangers were good enough but they definitely weren't as bad as PIT made them look. They straight clowned them.

E


Thu Jun 16 2016 6:57 pm EST

RF4L - Actually, the Rangers did handle those guys...at least in the first game of the pair. I don't have much of a doubt that had the Rangers met San Jose in the finals, they'd be holding the cup. I don't think it'd be fair to call the Sharks a weak team, but they weren't even close to the best that the West had to offer...And as down as we all are on the Rangers for their inconsistent play, they had games where they really did show signs of brilliance. That win against the Pens for instance: They didn't just beat the Pens. They manhandled them. Which is why its all so much more maddening that they couldn't repeat that performance at least one other time...the Sharks, OTOH, never had the upper hand in that series. Not even for a moment. Even with my hatred of everything Penguins, I can say they didn't stand a chance. They got incredible goaltending and that's the only reason it wasn't a sweep. You mention all those guys...well...what did they have below that? Zilcho. And that's why they went out with a wimper...now one more thing: You mention that the Rangers pissed away all those first rounders and have nothing to show for it...well...what about all those teams that didn't piss away their first rounders and have nothing to show for it...and by first rounders, I mean top-ten picks...and by teams, I mean the Islanders, the Oilers, the Jackets, et cetera...which is worse? At least Sather and Gorton took a stab...and again, as down as we all got on the Rangers toward the end, they were NOT a bad team at all...inconsistent, yes...painfully so...but not bad...and check it: By virtue of losing Dan BOYLE, they're already a better team than they were in 2015-2016. They don't need an overall...they need a nice good tweak or two.

tdchi


Thu Jun 16 2016 6:47 pm EST

STAAL and the negotiating rights to Eric for TERAVAINEN! Make it happen!!

tdchi


Thu Jun 16 2016 6:45 pm EST

Geez, now my head hurts... Girardi might have to be protected afterall. General Fanager is now reporting that Dan Girardi has a NMC for all 6 years of his deal. The last three years, he has a NMC with a Modified NTC which requires him to provide a list of 15 teams to which he cannot be traded to. Until the NHL discloses the official expansion draft rules(in six days). we wont know for sure. Yay! Go Team!

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 16 2016 6:35 pm EST

fishboy should be selling rights to whoever he's not trying to resign....get at least a consolation prize....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 6:04 pm EST

MF... Eric Staal cannot negotiate with Carolina until July 1st(He is still NYR property). I'm hoping that Marc is gone long before then. Now if they want to acquire his rights so they can negotiate with him early, I'm listening.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 16 2016 5:40 pm EST

"The Arizona Coyotes have acquired the negotiating rights for defenceman Alex Goligoski from the Dallas Stars in exchange for a 2016 fifth round draft pick. Goligoski will be a free-agent on July 1 if not signed to a contract. "

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 3:36 pm EST

new lala capt kopitar.....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 3:20 pm EST

RF: great point. But they didn't have the New York Rangers defense of recent years. Certainly not the goaltending FWIW. But not to get too far into the boondocks each team has its strengths and weaknesses but the overarching premise that some have that the New York Rangers are deep in the chasm of dismay is overblown. They've got some issues that can be worked thru without getting out of control.

E


Thu Jun 16 2016 2:38 pm EST

BTW, no first picks for 4 consecutive years (yet no cup to show for it) - might be an historic thing here. Another hope I have is that Gorther is able, thru his wheelings and dealings next week, to land a first rounder.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 2:36 pm EST

mf: Believe it or not, I have hope and I'm desperately hoping Gorther doesn't just fiddle. I want to see some real change that involves some of the core going. I'm actually a little excited by all of it but my Ranger sense of dread is bubbling away in the background - we've been disappointed so many times over the years that (for me anyways), it's impossible to totally ignore.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 2:34 pm EST

E: But having Jumbo Joe, Pavelski, Couture and Burns, not to mention Hertl certainly helps and the Rangers cannot boast of that 4some, that's for sure.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 2:31 pm EST

RF, getting the right players in the right positions is going to effect the bottom 6 and that's a big deal.... Hopefully Kreider, Miller, Hayes, dare I say Fast, and Bucknish, collectively produce above last season.. Got to have a little hope, don't we?

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 2:10 pm EST

RF: Donskoi and Karlsson was a FA, Dillon was a low level trade. 3-players who played a huge role in their resurgence. So a lot of their retooling was just shedding dead weight and finding the right players. So maybe it's like a Hayes and a Vesey type to add to SJ's excellent late round drafts. So, it's totally possible that the New York Rangers make some shrewd moves and we could see their fates radically change. So, I'm not gloom and doom but it's Grotons time to show something. His results have been mixed but all indications are that he is gonna try to sweep the dirt off of the porch. We'll see... One of the more interesting off seasons in a long time for me. This is not a UFA type of offseason. This is getting the franchise to a healthier place.

E


Thu Jun 16 2016 1:58 pm EST

Stevie: That 14 and 2 record proved not to be fluky. They rode it into the POs right thru to a cup victory. That Rangers play wasn't fluky either. They had more lousy games than good ones, got away with it in the regular season but paid the price bigtime in the POs. More of that next year and no POs I suspect. If no coaching change and no core changes, there's zero reason to expect anything to change IMO. Hopefully, Gorther is of the same mindset or else he'll be guilty of what his coach was so often this past year: Doing the same thing over and over again hoping it'll change - the very simplistic definition of insanity!

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 1:17 pm EST

rf4l true, but take away the pigpens going 14-2 down the stretch and where were they ? ....fishboy has to try to a positive spin....and fix what he can from the mess he has made with his boss and his coach.....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 1:10 pm EST

Marc Staal that is...... ah, the ol' a.d.d. is in full gear today.... woohoo ;-)

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 1:02 pm EST

The way I see it, the best two hands to play this offseason are: 1) trade guys for picks and plug holes by signing Free Agents 2) make a smart trade or 2 or 3 that brings you back a roster player & or pick..... OK, thats pretty obvious to all......... Everyone here realize that due to the expansion draft rules that a, if not the, top priority is sitting behind closed doors and ascertaining if he will accept to waive his NMC & to which teams? .......... jmo-stated as a factual opinion......

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 1:01 pm EST

stevie: Looking at regular season points on their own can be very misleading and in the case of the Rangers most certainly is. First, take away the play of Raanta and the King in October and November and we are looking more at 90 points, at best. Second, more often than not the team player disjointedly but got away with it far too often. Once the POs rolled around, however, and all the crappy teams were gone, we saw the stark reality of what happens when you play too often as the Rangers did. Gone in 5 and most deservedly so. Nobs like Carp muse about what might have happened if they'd opened the POs against the Panthers but that's meaningless and as easily as he says the Rangers would have gone to the eastern final, I say their inept play would have resulted in a FLA series victory. Meaningless drivel in other words. What happened is the Pens rode over the Rangers because the Rangers were inferior. If Gorther does little to address that (and so far, with the retaining of AV, he's done nothing), next year will be 90 points and perhaps no POs.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:55 pm EST

E: I don't at all disagree and concur that SJ is proof that a retool can be done successfully. That said 1) SJ never depleted their feeder system like the Rangers have and 2) Gorther's track record is, so far, dubious at best. I'd argue that the next 2 weeks could and likely will go a long way towards shaping the organization for the next couple of years. Make some savvy moves and we might only see a moderate dip before good times are restored. Do the opposite (or simply shuffle the deck chairs) and the repercussions might be enormous and coupled with all the future for now deals since 2012, send the organization on a downward spiral that might take years to recover from. Quite precarious...

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:38 pm EST

so what's the definition of a retool?....carp claims "BTW, Penguins finished three points ahead of the Rangers. San Jose finished three points behind the Rangers. Chicago, which was still probably the best team in the West, was two points up on the Rangers. So, yeah, 101 points ain’t what it used to be. But it was still plenty good in this year’s NHL. It wasn’t the type of season that gets a coach fired or a roster blown up, nor should it. They’re not far at all from being in the mix again. RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 16, 2016 11:49 AM They won’t blow it up and start over because A) they don’t need to and B) It won’t work. It will take 5-7 years or more to get back to where they are."

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:37 pm EST

RF: when it comes to dealing,,,,,,,,,,,,,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtrz_fvmoc

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:29 pm EST

RF: to be fair the New York Rangers went all in because they thought that they had a SC contender. I get it. I didn't agree with the moves he made but I understood that the nyr were pushing all in. Culminating with the Staal trade. So now, we gotta see them pay the bill. I think SJ showed us that despite depleting some quality players. Coyle etc... But, you shed weight, sell some players off and get back to it. So here we go, an offseason of intrigue. There is no reason to believe that the New York Rangers cannot do it on the fly. There is a lot of serviceable players out there. Maybe you gotta take on some dead money or whatever. But the New York Rangers aren't screwed by any stretch. Just gonna have to dig down.

E


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:09 pm EST

Could ERIC STAAL follow suit with a home town discount to keep his family ensconced in Carolina? ............. "IF YES," could they rebuild with Marc Staal on the roster too?

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:03 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/cam-ward-forges-free-agency-takes-heft-pay-cut-to-remain-a-hurricane/

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 12:01 pm EST

RF: it's the "Da Vinci code" stay thirsty my friend, hockey in the desert, makes perfect sense.............

mf


Thu Jun 16 2016 11:22 am EST

stevielegs: There are assurances for the money already I am sure, but likely large investors who will not even get close to releasing funds until the vote says it's a go. I mean they are likely not technology a partner of the franchise yet because they want to remain unconnected to it if it fails to move forward.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 16 2016 10:03 am EST

BTW, right now the already prospect strapped Rangers are drafting 81, 98, 141, 171 and 201. No first and second for 2 players who won't be in a Ranger uniform next fall. Nice job Gorther - horrible asset management without a doubt.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 8:43 am EST

what i don't fully get, why didn't buttman get the $500 mil in escrow first , instead of now waiting for it? .....no money no team to announce anywhere.....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 8:39 am EST

buyout window just opened, 6 days until lost Vegas$500 mil is decided, 8 days to the draft, 14 days to ufa.....buttman doing the mambo on gms' heads....not that they and the owners and the players and their union don't deserve this mess that they help to make.....but it's buttman the vindictive one causing most of this....when he was a lawyer he looked for loopholes, now if someone uses them he punishes them with retroactive guilty decision.....making like he's innocent.....along with his crony crying owners lobbying him.....the $500 mil plus another possible $500 mil next year buys Kleenex.....and Kool-aid ....and Aspirin....plus......cigars etc.....and bs parity cap.....they might get a lot more just with a luxury tax instead.....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 8:29 am EST

Wild that makes sense, I just hope that Gordon doesn't hold out so long in hopes of some dream deal that he let's good deals pass by. Like what seemingly happened at last year's draft day dissapoinment. One thing is for sure. Moves must be made or the Rangers will not be able to ice a whole team. Not enough cap space. Got to love the lack of forsight even it was by design. LoL.

NYStranger


Thu Jun 16 2016 8:28 am EST

Wild: Yeah, I know. It's just that Gorther's basically done squat in the past 13 months and I honestly don't have a good feeling about all of this. I think he's going to end up fiddling with the bottom 6 and perhaps move one of G or S and that'll be it and the team will stay offensively challenged, cap-strapped and with AV behind the bench, struggle to even make the POs next year. Yes I'm being pessimistic but Gorther's given us, IMO, very little to be encouraged about so far.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 8:19 am EST

RF4L: Most GMs are taking it easy until the 22nd when the specifics of expansion are announced. The moves so far are moves hat are just being done regardless. Its not just up to the Rangers, if the teams they are talking to want to wait, there is nothing they can do.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 16 2016 7:59 am EST

Yep and so far, the earth shattering move to resign Chris Summers is all we have seen. Gorther sitting on his hands again?

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 7:55 am EST

rf4l just bloggers giving their opinions ....facts to follow when fishboy gets something done....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 7:41 am EST

BTW, Toronto does NOT want Nash, unless the Rangers give him away.

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 7:41 am EST

That fulltile dude is just speculating and he gives no reason for the departure of McI and Hayes. Staal and Girardi AND Nash moved? I'll believe it when I see it...

RF4L


Thu Jun 16 2016 5:27 am EST

"But … the things that went on certainly fall at the feet of Vigneault and his staff: The lack of effort in particular games, or in stretches of games, by the group and by individuals, was startling for a team that, in four previous seasons, made its work ethic its calling card. The other calling card was the Rangers’ defensive play, which collapsed into mayhem so often — forwards and defensemen going five different directions, chasing pucks and leaving uncontested opponents in dangerous spots. Then there are the special teams. Ooof "

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 4:54 am EST

The Rangers haven’t had a coach with a long shelf life since, when, Emile Francis? Whatever the degree of responsibility, Vigneault and his staff will have to be much better in 2016-17. As will his players. As we’ve said for two months now. Grade C- - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/16/rangers-evaluations-alain-vigneault-and-his-coaching-staff/#sthash.Z39VPacy.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 4:33 am EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/next-15-days-expect-lot-happen-new-york-rangers/

stevielegs


Thu Jun 16 2016 3:11 am EST

I could see the oilers going for Nash because they have an issue with their top 6 not being 3 zone players or being the PK type. Also there are rumors they will move a top 6 F to get a D, Nash could be their replacement....and they have to be careful not to cut too much cap out or they will fall below the floor....so if they move out one of their top 6 guys, and the Dman they get costs a bit less, Nash will help keep them above the cap floor.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:59 pm EST

TD.... If you are talking about @NHLRumorsDaily, he's pretty solid. He doesn't rehash info from other persons as his own

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:50 pm EST

mf - I'm sure they'll have a metric to determine whether a player is a forward or a D...in the case of Buff and Burns, both are D-men that occasionally get bumped to forward. TBH, I can't think of a player in the league that has a truly ambiguous role.

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:47 pm EST

RF4L - no doubt, but as bad as the Hawks are for cap space, I just have a hard time believing that they're so tight they couldn't afford to shave $1.5 million off the cap to buy out BICKELL and save $2.5 million...which is more than enough to pay for SHAW'S raise...I mean, they basically gave TERAVAINEN away. You think the HAGELIN deal was bad? This one was awful...this is a 21-year-old kid with top-six talent who could one day very soon be a 60 to 70 point player...a former first-rounder who had a very promising first season...and they gave him away for a mid-round second and a third next year...I agree, the Hawks are often pretty savvy...but it's not like they need the picks right now...they could take a year off from drafting and still have a very good pot of prospects. They've got $10 million in cap space to spend on Shaw, three other forwards and a seventh defender...buying out Bickell would have given them $12.5 million...with that you could afford Shaw a long-term contract with a nice raise and then rounded the roster out with some of the Rockford guys...Really doesn't make any sense to me.

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:34 pm EST

Speaking of some idiot, there's some idiot on Twitter chirping about how the Edmonton Oilers are making a big push to get Rick NASH...and the deal does NOT include the fourth overall or Taylor HALL...Also says the Rangers have little hope of signing VESEY, as he's chosen Buffalo. I don't know a hell of a lot about the guy because I just started following him, but he seems pretty reasoned and has a good number of followers himself...I personally have no clue why the Oilers would make a pitch for Nash, nor do I believe Nash would accept a trade to Edmonton...but take for what it is...the guy either someone actually in the know or just so mindbogglingly stupid that he believes his own(or someone else's) BS.

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:31 pm EST

:->)

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:21 pm EST

MF... I just said it very 'matter of factly.' It's all in how you read it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:18 pm EST

Per SNY.... The Red Wings are reportedly willing to trade young players like Tomas Jurco or Teemu Pulkkinen to move Pavel Datsyuk's $7.5 million..... Per the Score... Thomas Vanek's agent insists he would know if his client was being bought out.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:17 pm EST

Geez, It's just a hypothetical...... And at this point I don't know if we have 7 forwards to protect ahead of McIlrath.... A topic for another time

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 10:07 pm EST

MF.... From what we know so far, we can do the first part(like I mentioned the other day). In regard to the second, I don't believe it's been talked about yet. They could either decide by how a player is drafted or how many games he's played the last few years. Most likely they wont let the teams just decide or base it on one game (or a handful of games) played at a particular position. Also, saving MCILRATH as a forward doesn't really help us too much. We have plenty of those that need to be saved as well.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 9:58 pm EST

OK you Turkeys: as it relates to the expansion draft, "" If a player plays both defense and forward (ie: Brett Burns & Dustin Byfuglien) "" can their respective teams protect then under either parameter, D'man or Forward whichever better suits the teams needs? .... Taking that a step further, ls there a minimum amount of games said player has to play at each position to qualify to be protected "under that positions guidelines?" Thinking out loud, I could see the determination coming down to the position that the player played the majority of their games in 2016/2017 season for this example....... IF not, there's a loophole to skirt the rules as it relates to protecting a player in a position which is not their natural position.... Example: if we're in a dilemma protecting D'men, we could dress McIlrath to play 4th line for 10-12 games & protaect him as a forward..... BungHolio will look to plug that hole quickly... Asswipe.

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 9:31 pm EST

Pretty funny watching Bonino and Hags jigging Kessel at the cup thing in Pittsburgh. LOL. Phil's a card I think and loving it in Pittsburgh...

RF4L


Wed Jun 15 2016 7:20 pm EST

Rhet: plz take a look at my post from yesterday at 9:21 & 9:25 about :gaming the system....... Could we pick up a D man at the trade deadline who has played 40 games & or a combo of 70 games over the prior 2 seasons, with at least a year left on his contract, all for the purpose of leaving him "exposed" to satisfy the draft rules, and then protect McIlrath as a forward??? thanks man

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 7:15 pm EST

Hey Rhet, wasn't that SLEGS post ? ;-)

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 7:13 pm EST

MF..... That is just some idiot regurgitating the Stepan to Minnesota rumors like they were his own. He has no real information.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 7:06 pm EST

Hipcheck.... For contending teams, the Expansion Draft will not be a good thing. each of those teams is sure to lose one good player. If the draft were today, the NYR would be protecting McDonagh, Klein and Staal(NMC) on Defense. That means we'd be leaving McIlrath and Girardi unprotected. We can hope it's Girardi that get's picked because he'll help his new team reach that cap floor, but it will more likely be Wrath that get's taken. We need to move Staal this summer as job one. If not, it's really waste of time signing or trading for another defenseman, since we couldn't even protect him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 6:48 pm EST

http://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/rangers-reportedly-negotiating-the-trade-of-one-of-their-star-players?ref=jo

stevielegs


Wed Jun 15 2016 5:28 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/what-should-the-oilers-do-with-the-no-4-overall-pick-here-are-three-options/

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 5:26 pm EST

And yes Francis did do well. I'd say relatively easy pickings if you're in the right circumstances (have picks and cap room to spare).

RF4L


Wed Jun 15 2016 5:14 pm EST

HIP: I think this expansion draft is going to good for the Rangers because its going to hopefully force them to be laser beam focused on the moves & contracts they make. Whether we like the idea of expansion or not is irrelevant...

mf


Wed Jun 15 2016 5:06 pm EST

TD: It's a cap space move for sure with of course, an eye on what burgeoning talent to keep vs let go, what's available in the feeder system and what veterans are needed (re Shaw). The Hawks are a well run team overall without a doubt.

RF4L


Wed Jun 15 2016 5:04 pm EST

Dreger: "I know that Trouba's camp has told the Winnipeg Jets that he's willing to sign and stay in Winnipeg." #NHLJets

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 5:03 pm EST

Per Darren Dreger: We believe that Ladd was offered $6 million per for six years before start of the season. "He pushed for $6.5 million." #NHLJets ......Per Chris Nichols.... Winnipeg Jets general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff stated quite clearly on Tuesday that he’s not trying to trade restricted free agent Jacob Trouba, although this particular quote ends with the same amount of wiggle room that any GM has to allow thanks to the familiar ‘If Wayne Gretzky can be traded…’ refrain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 4:11 pm EST

re: the Hawks trade...Well, couple comments...first, they must REALLY want to keep Andrew SHAW, because that was the only possible odd-man-out after the PANARIN extension gets done...second...they must not think very highly of TERAVAINEN...or were under the belief he couldn't be resigned next winter...because that's the only real explanation for the deal...I mean, I get wanting to shed BICKELL and all...but that's a tough lump to swallow to save what amounts to about $1.5 million in cap space this coming season and $1 million the following season...the Hawks have a very good feeder system and a bunch of good players about to make their break...HINOSTRAZA, HARTMAN, MOTTE, SCHMALTZ...this could have been more of an assessment of where Teravainen is, where they believe he'll be and where they want to pick in the draft. Like the Rangers, they were on the outside of the third round before seeing action. Now they're back up to the middle second and have cap space to boot...But there's no other way to look at this deal other than a coup for Francis. I can say, if I were Gorton or any other GM for that matter, I would have taken that contract and bought Bickell the F out if it meant grabbing Teravainen. There must be something they know or see about him the rest of us don't.

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 3:56 pm EST

hipcheck - Think it's too soon to tell exactly what impact it will have on the Rangers, per se...The expansion team is required to select one player from every team including a minimum of three goalies, nine defenseman and 14 forwards...And reportedly, teams will have the option to protect either seven forwards, three defensemen, and one goalie, or eight skaters at any position and one goalie...but in general, it's going to hurt. If the team is good, then it's going to wipe out a couple of good players. If the team sucks, then...well...who cares? And in general, it's one more mouth at the table. One more team that will suck for two or three years at least. One more team drafting early in the first round...and with 31 teams, you know a 32nd team is just around the corner. The only reason I can think they're not going for it now is that Buttman hasn't yet identified/convinced a state below the Mason-Dixon line to take a hockey team...so yeah...bad. Unless we suck really bad...in which case it's still bad, because the new team will also have a nice crack at landing the first-overall pick.

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 3:37 pm EST

Been pretty removed from all things Rangers since the end of the season. Just too upset with everything, especially Vigneault. Help me out, I'm confused, does expansion help or hurt us? Why? Thanks.

hipcheck


Wed Jun 15 2016 1:05 pm EST

My post was not a jab at the Rangers, it was a statement of fact. If someone wants to see it as something that it was not, be my guest. Carolina will soon be half of the Finnish national team. Ron Francis is doing a good job. Bickell is overpaid but when a GM is intelligent enough to find and sign guys like Panarin, he becomes a spare part. There are some good GM's in the league.

Bob


Wed Jun 15 2016 12:07 pm EST

This was a fire sale plain and simple. Chicago has been trying to unload Bickell's contract for years. The guy is a shell of his former self and It took getting rid of a prized prospect to finally move him. Also, It's not like we had the ability to make this deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 15 2016 11:56 am EST

Bob: The number 2 from the Rangers I think they traded in that deal (or kept it and moved their own). So it boils down to this: Staal and a 3rd for Saarela, Bickel and Teravian....nice trade. Gorther sucks.

RF4L


Wed Jun 15 2016 11:04 am EST

So Ron Francis gets Saarela, a #2, Teravainen And Bickell for the Staal rental. Nice work.

Bob


Wed Jun 15 2016 11:04 am EST

So Ron Francis gets Saarela, a #2, Teravainen And Bickell for the Staal rental. Nice work.

Bob


Wed Jun 15 2016 7:49 am EST

TD: Kessel fetched a first, a decent prospect (Kapanen), a meddling prospect (forget the d-man's name) and a bottom 6er (Nick Spaling who the Leafs, along with Polak, parlayed into 2 2nd rounders). Yes, Kessel is younger but comes with a far more smeller contract and while he might be a better goal scorer, he isn't nearly the defensive presence Nash is (re you'd never see Kessel on the PK). I think Nash is movable and will fetch a decent return, especially if the Rangers eat 1/4 of his salary.

RF4L


Wed Jun 15 2016 7:44 am EST

Via Dobber: "The Rangers love doing stuff. I mean…seriously, can you think of a team that has made more trades and free agent signings over the last 20 years than the Rangers? They’re like that guy in your pool who does 20 trades per year and burns all his waiver-wire moves before Christmas. But the Rangers are in a bit of a cap bind as they have $15 million in space but have six forward slots and two defense slots to fill. That includes re-signing Kevin Hayes, Chris Kreider and J.T. Miller (I’m guessing $8-9 million per year combined). You know what would solve that? Trading Nash and his $7.8 million cap hit. Don’t be surprised if the Rangers don’t get much in return. The contract alone is a hefty price tag."

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 6:33 am EST

Rhet0ric/RF4L/mf - $7 mill per would be a tough lump to swallow, but agree with Ola - TROUBA is a special player. Not sure his ceiling, but rarely do you get a kid that is an all-around package like him. Size, toughness, mobile, defensive rock, swift enough to skate with a run-and-gun offense and just a cannon of a shot. He was an absolute BEAST during the world juniors a few years back and was a huge reason the U.S. won. I know he's playing behind MYERS and BYFUGLIEN...and really, he should be in a top four role...top pairing if I were coaching...I don't know what would get him out of Winnipeg and RF is probably right: This is all just talk now...but I've been hearing Trouba's name since the start of the playoffs and that's not idle chatter...But if his name is out there, Gorton should be calling. I'd offer them one of our centers and KLEIN to start...You get Trouba as your top pairing on the right and sign STAMKOS? Rangers would be a beast. You could give away NASH and let Yandle rot and still have an incredible team.

tdchi


Wed Jun 15 2016 6:04 am EST

Wild the thing you're missing is talent will always be there it is the ability to get all that talent in one place and in today's game you just can't do that. Too many teams, cap, salaries it's just not possible to sustain a large going amount if talent for any length of time in today's game. Systems haven't changed in the last 20 years unless you want to include the torpedo system which was still an alteration of a failed system from the 70s what days. Fitness is better of course in today's game but if you had your choice of building a team would you choose Crosby or mario in his prime tgo or mcdavid in their primes. Hasek or any goalie in the league today in their primes. Lidstrom or we can even say chara since he was of the old guard and is in his way out now. Jagr in his prime against just about anyone in the league on wing you see what I'm saying here.

York18


Wed Jun 15 2016 4:54 am EST

WILD you're dead wrong you arent going back far enough for the goalies argument the third and fourth line players are better today because the game is different today. Defensive specialists are no longer part of today's game and neither are goons. A guy like tony twist wouldn't have played one second of NHL hockey in todays game. You don't have shadows in todays game either so yes while the third and fourth lines are better quality today the top lines were better quality then. Like I said name me todays equals yes Crosby would produce more points but he wouldn't be on the same level as Mario, or Gretzky, You want your perfect example? Jagr who is still playing and producing today at his age shows you that the skill level was just better than because it wasn't as diluted. Imagine you have a team with Mario, Francis, Jagr, Coffey, Stevens Recchi, Larry Murphy, Mullen. they had Trottier as their fourth line center that should tell you something, show me a team with that many hall of famers or soon to be in todays game and that much talent on one team and forget the Oilers in their hey day no team will ever amass the talent and HOFers they put together in one shot. Too many variables in todays game cap, UFA coming earlier, money, too many teams you will never amass the same amount of talent in todays game on any one team.

York18


Wed Jun 15 2016 3:51 am EST

Trouba is a very special talent, I would take him and give him that long term deal. Kreider, Skjei/McIlarth/Klein and Lindberg for Trouba? Stepan?

Ola


Wed Jun 15 2016 12:02 am EST

York: you can't look at points. Goalies are so much better and their equipment is so much bigger and better. Crosby 20-25 years ago would be a bigger point producer than he is now...and a lot of 50 point guys today would be 70-80 point guys back then. You have always had and will continue to have great players playing....but it's the 3rd/4th line guys that today are light years ahead of the average 3rd/4th line guys of years past.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 10:40 pm EST

I think the NHL talent pool is rich enough nowadays to support several new teams. Not that I wanna see the NBAification although Bettman sees it somewhat differently. I am disappointed that Seattle isn't getting a team at least right now. Killer sports town

E


Tue Jun 14 2016 10:32 pm EST

Players today are better conditioned and better coached up through their careers to the NHL. The gap between the best and the rest is far less than 25+ years ago for sure. The goal tenders are far better, bigger and play a style that works much better than the old stand up style. No longer are they hindered by lack of protection. But no way can you tell me that this game has as much top end talent (skaters) as years ago. No way.....The Rangers second season is upon us and I am prepared to be disappointed! Ha!

NYStranger


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:41 pm EST

BOWNESS; I thought I read he resigned with Tampa... got promoted to associate head coach... am I wrong>?

schneidw


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:26 pm EST

I will say now vs 20 years ago in terms of what we have more of: There are way more players available today who can skate, that's for sure. In terms of the ability to score goals, I'd say there are at least as many guys with stones hand today vs back then. So yeah, LV will be able ice a team of players who can skate - but they'll probably be 31st offensively (or thereabouts) for a few years. They are gonna be another reason not to watch some NHL games...

RF4L


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:25 pm EST

I meant to include that we could trade for that so-called defenseman at the trade deadline in February 2017 all for the purpose of leaving him exposed at seasons end and the expansion draft.....

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:21 pm EST

Rhet & anyone else here who's into "gaming the system," the rules state the following:........ * There is an “experience criteria” for the draft......... “A minimum of two forwards and one defenseman must be exposed who have played 40 games the previous season, or a total of 70 over the previous two,” writes Johnston.............. In addition, those players """must be under contract for the team’s first season.""" (meaning the acquired player must be under contract for the 2017/2018 season which is the first season for the expansion team)............ This is obviously an insurance policy against teams playing games by exposing only players with little experience in the draft while protecting all its veterans............... NOW, here comes the game the system: both Brent Burns and Byfuglien play forward and defense, can San Jose & Win-a-pig protect these players as DEFENCEMEN OR FORWARDS as it may better suit their needs? If yes, we may be able to theoretically sign a defenseman which meets the games played criteria of 40 games in the given year, 70 games over a 2 year stint AND signed through the 2017/2018 season, leave him unprotected, and then protect MCILRATH as a forward!!!!!!

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:20 pm EST

Am I the only person who finds the Duck's decision to rehire Randy Carlyle weird?

RF4L


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:08 pm EST

So signing Chris Summer is Gorther's first off-season roster move.- oh joy, her's off to a flying start!!

RF4L


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:06 pm EST

Those sillly contract demands is why there are Trouba rumours out there. Right now just that and probably fueled by the media speculating that the Jets would trade Trouba before giving in. Thing is, the Jets have the leverage here. And negotiations likely haven't even reallly begun. Trouba won't be moved I suspect until/unless the Jets feel they have no choice and that's still a long way away.

RF4L


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:53 pm EST

Wild 20 years ago you had Gretzky messier mario bourque hasek lidstrom forsberg lindros Francis Jagr hull Oates I can go on and on about the talent from back then name me the counter part in today's game that are as talented as those guys and let me save you the time you can't go back 25 years and you have even more talent it's crazy to think a 50 point player wouldn't be more than a third liner back then.

York18


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:43 pm EST

TD: I posted a few weeks ago that Trouba is slated behind Byfuglien & then Myers...... I'm not sure what the Jets have on their farm, but they may feel that they can beef up another roster position that is more in need than their RHS defensive trio...... just guessing on my part

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:38 pm EST

TD.... Reportedly, Trouba is looking for a long term deal in the neighborhood of 8 years and $56 Mil. Darren Dreger, appearing on TSN 1290, said Trouba would not accept a bridge deal but is open to signing long term. Pass.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:12 pm EST

Rhet0ric - BARRIE? Screw Barrie if TROUBA is available. Kid could be a franchise player. Having him and McDONAGH on a line would be lethal. I keep hearing his name mentioned on the block and really can't figure out why. I would trade MYERS long before Trouba...and man, I don't know what his asking price is, but the kid has a massive shot, is a righty and just a great all-around d-man. Mobile too. His only drawback that I can see is that he's young and going to demand a big contract. I'd move any one of out blueliners aside from McD to get him on the roster. And if the price were HAYES? I'd personally drive him to Manitoba.

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:07 pm EST

I think Vegas will draw well... They should lure an NBA basketball team to share the arena too, it makes economic sense.... basketball capacity is listed at 18,800 & hockey is listed at 17,500 ..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_Arena

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:07 pm EST

Wild - yeah you're also forgetting major rule changes, lighter equipment and modern sports medicine. Sorry man, but the talent was MUCH MUCH more concentrated. I mean, look at the 1993-1994 Rangers. That was basically an all-star team. Guys are faster now because they play in an NHL that doesn't have clutching and grabbing. They play with composite sticks that weigh a fraction of the wood variety. Their equipment can basically withstand the impact of a bullet. You don't need to be über talented to be a hockey pro these days. There is a larger pool to pick from, but the talent is spread thin in this league. Another team will make it thinner.

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:03 pm EST

All of our problems are solved..... Per General Fanger, the #NYR have re-signed Chris Summers (D) to a 1yr deal, worth $600K.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:40 pm EST

R47: a quick look-see and Las Vegas has a population of 603,500 folks..... With NEVADA @ 2.839 million a/o (2014)........ There's many an article about the concern of professional sports franchises & the attraction to bet on games which IMO had to factor into the equations of no pro-sports teams there.. With the desert climate, an indoor source of entertainment is a no-brainer...... BungHolio Butt-plug should have relocated the Yotes to Vegas.... jmo

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:22 pm EST

The rumors are that the AVS are hot after Trouba. If they succeed in getting him, Barrie will then be available. The AVS are not looking to take back a lot of salary, so I doubt they'd want Girardi or Staal. The prevailing thought is that they'd want one of our young forwards if the do trade Barrie. If it was Hayes, I would jump at it but they're most likely looking for either Kreider or Miller.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:50 pm EST

MF... If it was up to me (and it's not, but don't tell anyone), I don't trade Nash or Stepan if we don't get Stamkos(unless we get blown away with an offer). Staal is the priortiy as we've got too much money tied up in our bottom four. The tricky thing about signing Yandle is that it leaves McIlrath out in the cold as far as protecting players goes. I do think that Girardi will be taken in the Expansion Draft if he is not traded. He could be a good. He'd be a good mentor for a young-ish defensive corp and he'd also help them get to the cap floor with his ridiculous contract :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:44 pm EST

RF4L: You make a valid point in terms of corporate boxes/sponsors. As rich as the casinos are might they buy a ton of corporate boxes and give them away to their casino and hotel customers? If so, LV might have a very solid revenue base (though, as you suggest the rink may not be very full on any given night!).

Ranger47


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:15 pm EST

Viva lost wages

stevielegs


Tue Jun 14 2016 5:58 pm EST

Las Vegas---prepare for a dead building. There will be 8000 people inside when they are reporting crowds of 16,000. Lots of corporate/casino-owned seating empty most nights. the Kings will draw, as will the Ducks and the usual Eastern suspects (Chicago, Detroit, the Rangers) otherwise it will be dead. But the owners will have gorged themselves on $500 Million, so it's all good for Commissar Bettman.

Bob


Tue Jun 14 2016 5:26 pm EST

IMO, if the NHL is counting on the LV franchise to be successful due to LV vacationers, they are doomed from the start. One of the biggest revenue streams are via corporate boxes - who's buying those? The casinos? Another one is local TV revenue. If the team cannot establish a solid local consistent fanbase, that stream will piddle away too. I suspect these are 2 reasons all the other pro sports leagues have stayed away. Of course, Napolean Buttman knows better, just as he knows how important it is to place NHL franchises all over the US south so a lucrative TV deal can be had.

RF4L


Tue Jun 14 2016 4:39 pm EST

td: sorry...20 years ago, the 4th line players in the NHL wouldn't be 2nd line players in the AHL. So so sorry. But the skating, speed, strength, stick handling and shot placement are all better today than 20 years ago. Save a handful of guys who totally dominated the NHL, and the top line guys, the NHL has a LOT more talent today.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 4:37 pm EST

Wildcard - there is absolutely ZERO question that the talent level in the NHL has thinned. There are players in the league now that would've struggled to make the minor league ranks two decades ago...true, the sport has spread to include a HUGE pool of athletes...namely in the United State...but the vast majority of NHLers are still coming from the same places they always have, which is New England, Northern U.S., all of Canada, Russia and Scandinavia....I will say this, however: The degree of talent most NHLers are bringing to the table isn't that far off from the talent most guys have in the AHL. And that is a direct result of expansion...I gotta say I'm not really a fan of going through another expansion. That period in the 90s where it seemed like a new team was joining the league every year...well it just sucked. So many Mickey Mouse franchises...and on literally Mickey Mouse franchise. I just don't want to deal with it again. We already have enough teams that suck balls without adding to the ranks a team made up of castoffs from every team in the league that will struggle to win 15 games.

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 4:37 pm EST

Lets say you could get Staal to waive to goto the AVS and they could get Mikko Rantanen, There may be enough cap room to sign Yandle.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 4:34 pm EST

I say if you are dealing with the AVS that Gorton should try to pry Mikko Rantanen away....not sure if they would even want to attempt such a deal, but for a D man they just might...they are hurting bad for D.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 4:33 pm EST

mf: Great post. But,IMHO, the success or failure of Las Vegas will have nothing to do with the desert setting. This will be an issue as to whether all those tourists will want to be entertained by a hockey game as opposed to gambling or the other entertainment options like the shows. There could be plenty of tourists who like (or want to see for themselves for the first time) hockey in person. Unlike Phoenix, for example, this tourist market will be the true test of success or failure for LV. I'm not much of a gambler, but had there been a team in LV while I was vacationing there I would have gone to see a game. Don't know how many others will be like me - but I'd not be surprised to see enough tourists from the other 30 NHL cities who would rather take in a game than go see a show. On the other hand, from what I know of the LV locals there may not be as much of a base as Phoenix. Should be "interesting" to see how it pans out...

Ranger47


Tue Jun 14 2016 4:26 pm EST

mf: Is it 23 players that were not good enough for the NHL? or is it 23 players there was no room for? I mean the Rangers had Skjei and McIlrath sitting on the bench or in the minors last season other than during peak injury times. Other teams had forwards sitting in the minors or junior that were clearly ready for the NHL. There could be a team that has no D depth that loses a D or a team with no F depth loses a F and it will take a season or two to balance out, but it will, a team that lost a D and had none to replace with, and a team that lost a F with no replacement will be perfect trade partners. But anyway, I think there is probably 1 player per team that is good enough to be in the NHL but is not...I am not saying top line stuff in every case, but the vegan team will be taking 3rd and 4th line players as well....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 3:57 pm EST

It appears that expansion is simply a board of governors vote away after news surfaced that the NHL’s all-powerful executive committee will recommend the league grant a team to Las Vegas for the 2017-18 season. The owners will happily accept Bill Foley’s $500 million and the NHL will now be known as The Original 31…………………………………………………………………………….. Approval from the board of governors is usually a rubber-stamp process. But when deputy commissioner Bill Daly talked about it prior to the Stanley Cup final, he said he would never pre-suppose the results of a board vote, particularly on a file as contentious as this one. Which is code for saying that not everybody thinks this is a great idea……………………………………………………………. There are downsides to expansion. One of them is not, repeat not, that the hockey talent will be harmfully diluted by adding a 31st team. Yes, roughly 23 players will now be playing in the NHL who were not good enough to play before. But the talent pool is vast and varied that it won’t make much of a difference. And if it does, that actually could be a good thing. Hockey has become so dull not because the players aren’t good enough, but because they’re too good. You want to increase scoring, scoring chances and excitement? Nothing will do that more effectively than injecting the league with bad players, goalies and coaches………………………………………………………… No, what concerns your trusty correspondent more than anything else is one utterly inescapable truth about Las Vegas. It is in the desert. Full stop. And we’ve all seen how putting a hockey team in the desert has worked out for the NHL so far. Hint: it has been an unmitigated money-pit of a disaster………………………………………. Las Vegas has a wonderful new arena, an owner with extremely deep pockets – although we’ll be checking the length of his arms once the bills start piling up – and a fertile professional sports market. All good things. But it’s still a hockey team in the desert. And what should concern everyone involved is not the first five years of this team’s existence. Because during that time, it will be cute and cuddly and people will be drawn to that. And if and when this team gets good, the people will probably come. But what about the lean years? There are bound to be some of them. And has any Sun Belt fan base, with the possible exception of the San Jose Sharks, displayed even a slight willingness to support a hockey teams when times are bad?...................................... (Speaking of the Sharks, here’s how difficult it is to make money in a non-traditional market. Despite having 12 home playoff dates and having an average attendance of 16,746, the Sharks will not make money in the 2015-16 season. Part of that is because they have a terrible local television contract. But another reason is attendance figures don’t begin to tell the story when it comes to making money. Revenues do, however, and your revenues are limited in a non-traditional market because there’s only so much you can charge for tickets.)………………………………………………. When this team is bad and boring, as it undoubtedly will be at some point, who is going to come to the games? Who is going to watch the product on television? And is an owner who is not accustomed to sinking money into losing ventures, going to continue to pour resources into it?....................................... This is all due diligence that the executive committee has no doubt already done. And it has come to the conclusion that Las Vegas is a suitable market for the NHL, more suitable than Quebec City, where people actually have a hockey background and would be willing to pay top dollar for tickets. But they’re always good hockey markets at this point in the process. Have you ever heard a sports league say, “Yeah, you know, we’re not really sure about this market, but we’re going to give it a go and see how things work out.” No, there is always all sorts of reason for optimism until reality kicks in…………………………… And the reality is the Las Vegas Knights or Aces or whatever they’re going to be called will still be a hockey team in the desert. And there is nothing that will ever change that. But in the short term, that almost $17 million in expansion money per team is certainly going to come in handy………………………………http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/is-putting-another-hockey-team-in-the-desert-really-a-good-idea/

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 3:30 pm EST

At the same time, I don't want to see him given away. If the best offer is a mid to late round pick than I say screw it. He os worth more than that, and I think that only getting a 4th rounder would be terrible....but I don't think teams would be that cheap, Staal is still very good, better than Rangers fans want to admit at times. The AVS I am sure would give more than that, they need a guy like Staal very badly.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 3:27 pm EST

mf: I agree on Staal. I feel like the Rangers for the same money can get the same production and defensive ability (or near the same money) without the NMC or a NTC. There are D that would love the chance to play regular minutes for the Rangers, even if they got snagged by an expansion team. But the Rangers have too many younger better D that they would have to leave exposed to protect Staal in the expansion draft. They can only lose one player, so there is a chance it would be Raanta if he has a good season or one of the forwards. Thinking that way also, if they move Staal, and protect the better younger D, it would steer Vegas (I am assuming the reports are accurate) to pick a F or Raanta and they could expose a young F they are less worried about loosing, and hope for that outcome.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:57 pm EST

andrei: I owe you a reply to your post from Mon Jun 13 2016 2:07 pm EST... but in the interim, I'm not dealing for Shattenkirk without him accepting terms to a new contract...... and someone here has a problem with Jack John as Staal's replacement? Can't please everybody........ Let's add RF4L's suggestion of RYAN ELLIS to the list as a replacement for Girardi........... anywho, the main thing is to move Staal & his NMC so that we don't have to use a slot to protect him.....

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:55 pm EST

Wildcard, to your point about Pits. I know they won the cup, so goal is meet. Rest does not really matter. That's said, since we leave in a cap era, for all the Hagellin lovers here, his $4 mil salary is precisely why, Rangers and then Anahaem traded him. You don't pay a 3rd liner that kind money. He is not Crosby, Letang, Malkin and not even Kessel. They are the reason why Pit's had won the cup. If Kessel had not gone on the tear, and then Bonino's play, Hagellin would have had his regular season. He is not a star. Great speed, great work ethics, and .... hands of stone. Now Pit's will be looking to unload Malkin to just get everyone under contract.

andrei


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:44 pm EST

Almost soiled myself when I saw this tweet: "Matthew Barnaby @MattBarnaby3636 Lastly thank you to my family for encouraging me to follow my passion. U guys have always been my priority. #LetsgoRangers" Alas, the Kitchener Rangers...

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:42 pm EST

mf, no to Shattenkirk, Barrie, JACK JOHNSON , and certainly, no to Justin Schultz. Why Hartnell? He is old, slow and way overpaid. No reason to make one trade, just to gain another bad contract, unless he will fit well within team structure... Keep in mind, idea to start breaking up the existing core is to start building a new younger core, so that we can finally win the cup. Shattenkirk is pending UFA next season, so what's the point to trade for him, to only see him leave for a bigger paycheck?

andrei


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:41 pm EST

AND, "IMWO" Cash Strapped teams are not waiting until the expansion draft to get their Cap in order: Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, L.A., Minny-Soda, Montreal, Islanders (can't afford Okposo), Philthy, Penguinista's, San Jose?, St.Louis, Tampa (may not be able to afford Stamkos), The Capitols (will be right up against the cap too)......... So, unless I'm reading you incorrectly, the only thing holding things up is the June 22 or 23 announcement about whether the league moves for expansion or not, and then the phones will be ringing off the hook..... jmo again.....

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:34 pm EST

mf....let's head over to Stuffn Bagels to get a bialey with a smear of cream cheese

TradeStar28


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:26 pm EST

TD: here's another thought for the defense: IN full time SKJEI & MCILRATH...... OUT: STAAL & GIRARDI fo two younger "quicker" guys. Quicker defined as better skaters, and making that first & or 2nd pass quicker..... This theoretically plays right into AV's methodology...... Girardi & Staal ($11.2 million) should be replaced for comparable $$$$ it all depends on how we approach the rest of the reshaping of the roster...... Do we target: Shattenkirk, Barrie, Justin Schultz, JACK JOHNSON of the cap strapped CBJ's? Maybe we agree to take Hartnell & Johnson for Staal & ?????? Think outside the box to get back into the box, leave no stone unturned, and choose your drugs wisely! :-)

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:19 pm EST

I'd look to move Staal even if Stamkos is not in our tea-leaves.... Staal is #1 AFAIC at this point..... I want to move Girardi next if possible, and I'm leaning toward keeping Nash at least until the trade deadline for the following reasons...... First & foremost, he did not have any head injuries last season if my memory serves correctly. 2nd) if in fact he has alternating good years bad years as Y18 has pointed out, he's due, 3rd, I think his trade value may rise if he stays healthy & productive, 4th) he's one of the very few top 6 wings we have.........

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 2:09 pm EST

TD: have you forgotten who your dealing with? The "idiot savant who commandeered the "Steel Your Face-offs" to first place says, "au contraire mon ami!" .... Yes many of the implications here have been about moving Staal to create room for YANKLE, and Yankle does warrant 1st & or 2nd pair minutes, but noone said that we have to move Staal for Yankle.. The expansion dictates that we would be wise to move Staal but if YANKLE is pricing himself too high, let him "gay cockin offin yom! ...... NN can explain. :-)

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 1:55 pm EST

mf - While I'm sure everyone in the NHL is waiting expectantly to see how expansion drops out of the sky, I think if any GM is looking anywhere other than the team they're icing for 2016-2017, they should probably no longer be GM...In other words, a lot can happen between now and expansion...so while all this rule talk makes good fodder for rumor mongers, who gives a toss? But to your question...Which...NASH or STAAL, you have to ask the first question: How much does YANDLE want? Cause if the guy is going to sign a $6 million multi-year, then your first order of business is to clear a spot for him to play. SKJEI ain't going to be a seventh defender and I don't see him getting moved over to the right..NTM, I don't think having Staal and Yandle and McD running down the left side is a good idea. Yandle needs top-pairing minutes if you're going to pay him $6 million-plus...but as was mentioned somewhere recently, this guy could be asking for as much as $7 million plus, which he'll probably get on the open market. I don't see a universe in which the Rangers pay that...in which case then our surplus of lefties is resolved and you trim cap by trading Nash...But the more I look at the Rangers, the less I see them moving anyone with a NMC or NTC...and my fear is that one of if not all three of McDONAGH, STEPAN and KREIDER will be the ones to go...

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 12:27 pm EST

Oh well. so much for that. Not sure if I was happy about that anyway...

WIOSA


Tue Jun 14 2016 12:15 pm EST

Another problem is that AV has NOT shown a high level of discipline in regulating the players TOI.... He could use a little schooling from Joe Torre! That man adhered to the pitch-count...

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 12:01 pm EST

People: with the information about the expansion draft unfolding, do you think or feel it is more important to move Nash or M. Staal ??? For me, the clear cut choice is Staal...We need to expose at least 1 defenseman who will be under contract for 2017 / 2018 and who has played at least 40 games in 2015/2016 or 70 games in 2015/12016 through 2016/2017..... Skjei is a newbie to the league so we do not need to protect him. McDonagh, McIlrath, Klein, all need to be protected IF you don't want to leave them exposed, "AND," if we choose to protect 3 D men & 7 Forwards as opposed to 8 skaters then we have used up our "protective slots" allocated for the Defence.. There's a problem there though, and that is because STAAL has a full NMC he must be protected as mandated by the rules... That means that two of Girardi, Klein, McDonagh & McIlrath remain unprotected........... Considering the Cap, the alterations this lineup needs, and the hand we're forced to play as a result of the rules, I say moving Staal is top priority.... Now, "IF" in trade we take back a D man who has played the requisite amount of games and does not have a full NMC "OR" has agreed to waive his "NMC" we have fulfilled the requirements of exposing a defensman for the expansion draft while protecting McDonagh, Klein, McIlrath and leaving Girardi "unprotected" which we can do, because the rules were just amended for situations where "a player whose NMC turns into an NTC on July 1, 2017" does not need to be protected........ Personally, I zero / no problem keeping a well rested Girardi for 2nd pair duty and carefully regulated playing time, however my first choice is to move him and replace both he and Staal with guys who make less money and "quicker" 1st passes out of the D zone......... Girardi & Staal = $11.2million

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 11:17 am EST

If David Clarkson and Dustin Brown are both bought out, they would definitely be cheap and worth the risk.

Higgy21


Tue Jun 14 2016 10:45 am EST

Well, so much for that rumor: Tampa Bay Lightning @TBLightning Rick Bowness has signed a multi-year contract extension with the #TBLightning to remain our associate coach.

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 10:05 am EST

TD: I hear you but for me it cot inves to be this line. The NYR traded for Nick Jensen. A kid who already has NHL experience. A kid that it looks like Vancouver might regret giving up given his recent performance. I don't care that his cherry is already popped (for lack of a better term) he is now a NYR prospect to me. Very similar to Brian Boyle when he was here. He was ours. Forget the fact that he was an LAK before that. I just defy the notion sometimes that it's about picks to players and in house development. It's all that and then some. I don't invest in the players like I once did emotionally. Until, you make the NYR and stick you are more or less in the pile of flipped baseball cards. Some I like, some I'll risk gambling away etc... They are just currency to me. Because I'm really all about winning and I don't care how they get there. Now I feel like I know the formula to get there. I've seen enough hockey in my day to have a clue. I know what winning hockey looks like. I just am less emotionally attached to a prospect. I am a huge fan of CK. I think the guy is maturing into a unique force in the NHL. A Patrick Marleau with a lot more snarl and attitude. Obviously, not as skilled. But, if MIN came a knocking and said, "Dumba!!!" Later CK. The door is ——> pack heavy. MIN is cold. *caveat that is not a rumor. Dumba just happens to be one of my favorite young players in the NHL.

E


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:43 am EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 13, 2016 9:17 PM I think you trade Stepan if you can improve the team by doing so. You don’t trade him because of his contract or because he’s not good enough at what he’s supposed to do on the ice. Certainly you don’t do it for the sake of change. RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 13, 2016 9:18 PM that said, I think there’s a pretty decent chance it happens. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/13/stanley-cup-final-in-review/#sthash.8XN2HXcJ.17agzxSM.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:38 am EST

so why get an offensive center and get rid of one who is not a center .....stepan is probably the one they would get the most value for. and then trade capt fugitive and maybe resign yandle. ....then some more hagmoves to fit under the cap.....right now is just a wish....the tampons would be crazy not to resign stamkos unless he really wants out of there.....hope he does want to move to nyr , but again would you want to come to this retool with that tool as coach? he just might put stamkos on the 3rd line, and give him the e staal treatment , and then tell him block shots like the pigpens did ......

stevielegs


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:19 am EST

The Pens may have won the cup, and I wold love to be int at position as a fan, but man oh man are they in cap hell. They have 12f 5D and 1 G signed for next season. So they need to sign 1D and 1G just to put a full team out there and have no extras, and currently they have about 2.9 mil in cap space to do it, they sit at 71.091 mil for their cap hit. Not sure if the cap will go up at all, but if it does it will not go up by much...maybe to 76 mil? I don't put much stock in the early estimates for the cap, they have rarely been correct. SO lets say it goes to 76mil, that would give them 4.9 mil to sign a D and a G with no extras not he roster. Not an easy task....especially with Murray in net who will I am sure get a massive bump in pay. Beau Bennett is also an RFA....not an easy task for that team.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 9:18 am EST

if you were blowness would you come here? weeknow has 1 foot out the door and 1 on a banana peel. that's probably part of why ulf left. weeknow gets fired, more than likely his assistants will too.

stevielegs


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:53 am EST

td: I agree on Stamkos. If he is available they must go all out after him...within reason. I don't know it would be worth making him the highest paid player in the NHL on a max deal....but within reason he needs to be tried for as hard as possible if he is out there. If you need to trade Nash for a 2nd rounder to retain no cap hit than thats what you do. Of course only if Stamkos is signed in the fold. But that would in essence be "trading" Nash for Stamkos and a 2nd. That would be a great "trade" to make. It would be an upgrade. Now of course you would love to get Stamkos AND trade Nash for a 1st while retaining no salary....but boy oh boy that would be amazing.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 14 2016 8:28 am EST

Nevermind on the Bowness news - he is staying in Tampa....https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/rick-bowness-has-signed-an-extension-to-stay-in-tampa-bay-update/183962658/

DREW


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:25 am EST

According to John Buccigross, who was the first to report that Randy Carlyle would be returning to Anaheim, said late last night that Tampa Bay assistant coach Rick Bowness is likely to replace Ulf Samuelsson on Alain Vigneault's staff. Bowness hired Alain Vigneault when he was the head coach in Ottawa and then Bowness spent seven years as Vigneault's assistant in Vancouver. Bowness ran the defense for the Canucks as part of Vigneault's staff in Vancouver. He has spent the past three seasons with Tampa Bay as part of John Cooper's staff.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:23 am EST

Rhet - I hope so - like Nash getting us a 1st and a top prospect without retaining salary.

DREW


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:20 am EST

Drew.... It hasn't been made official, but it's supposed to happen today. Until it happens, anything can happen though, right? :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:19 am EST

maybe blowness can take weeknow with him...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:18 am EST

Rhet - didn't the Ducks rehire Carlyse?

DREW


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:16 am EST

BTW.... According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman. Lightning associate coach Rick Bowness has gone "deep into the mix" for the Ducks' head-coaching job.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:10 am EST

TD.... That's been my thinking since roughly the trade deadline. We don't need to match a Pittsburgh man for man, but we need that one star player that get's the other team worried every time he steps foot onto the ice. Stamkos fits that bill nicely and also fill a lot of other holes for us as well. He keeps us competitive adding to what we already have..... Andrei.... I liked Poo but he's way overpaid for what he does. Also, on your proposed team, who's going to play the Penalty Kill?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 7:06 am EST

who fishboy can move to make room for stamkos if he goes ufa is his problem and decision. it's sort of like trading for him since he's screwed up the cap position.....just more hagmoves......

stevielegs


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:57 am EST

If STAMKOS is a UFA come July 1, then you have to do everything possible to make sure he signs here. If that means taking pennies on the dollar for Rick NASH? So be it. The guy brings so much of what the Rangers need...goal scorer, elite talent, right-handed shot...Are you going to overpay? Hell yeah. But I can't envision a situation where this guy isn't scoring 70-plus points in a season. He's been consistent in that regard throughout his career. Another way to look at it: Say Stamkos costs $10 million over seven years...well, we're repurposing the roughly $3 million we're overpaying Nash to overpay Stamkos...if I'm overpaying one of those guys, I'll take the latter. No issues at all with giving that guy a massive, long-term contract.

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:49 am EST

WIOSA - Thank you for the news on the Rick Bowness potential hire. I've been searching twitter and a few people have posted the same. Nothing official. None of the beat writers have tweeted but SNY posted something around 7 am EST...............https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/report-rick-bowness-to-replace-ulf-samuelsson-on-alain-vigneaults-staff/183962658?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

DREW


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:47 am EST

The Bowness rumor has been out there since Ulf left. It's all speculation because Bowness was part of that cup run AV took in Vancouver. But he's with Tampa right now and has been for several years...I don't really know why he'd come to New York unless it was a personal favor to AV...Begs the question...if he DOES come here...how's his relationship with STAMKOS?!?

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 6:27 am EST

E - For me personally, I get vested in players from the time their drafted to the time they arrive in Hartford to when they make their debut. Do I care more about those guys than players acquired? Generally. It's not the only thing I look for...but take a guy like MILLER...I've been watching this guy for five years...is it disappointing when a player like that is traded? I'm not going to lie: Yes. Or take a guy like HAGELIN. I was watching him skate in Michigan. Did it hurt more to see a guy like him dealt as opposed to...say GABORIK? Yes. Yes indeed..ditto with ANISIMOV and DUBINSKY...even CALLAHAN...all guys who came up through the system, played in Hartford, and really seemed to have the strong work ethic you typically want to see in players...I think there's a synergy between a player and the team that brings him through the ranks that is unique. Takes a player to buy into the system to make a successful team...and it takes a team to invest into a player...So maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather see some of the transplants moved than the guys who were drafted and came up through the system.

tdchi


Tue Jun 14 2016 12:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/14/5-lessons-rangers-islanders-can-learn-from-stanley-cup-champs/

mf


Tue Jun 14 2016 12:04 am EST

MF... They cannot offer him 8 years, only the Lightning can.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 14 2016 12:03 am EST

Wiosa... He is AV's boy.... As Rangers assistant Ulf Samuelsson leaves team, Rick Bowness is name to watch .....http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-assistant-leaves-rick-bowness-watch-article-1.2655755

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:55 pm EST

SLegs: if it takes 8 years to land him chomp again and get er done! jmo snatcherally

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:27 pm EST

..a friend is saying we're getting Rick Bowness...anyone hear this? He's supposed to replace Arniel. Who, I wasnt sure was leaving.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:03 pm EST

So stamkos will be 33 after 7 years .... Sather has to be chomping ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:00 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2016/06/13/new-york-rangers-acquire-assets-marc-staal/

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 10:55 pm EST

http://elitesportsny.com/2016/06/13/new-york-rangers-are-the-definition-of-irony/

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:59 pm EST

MF.... In regard to the Draft: You could bring back a Defensman in a trade for Girardi or even sign one to be your 7th D to a 2-year contract. Either could be left unprotected for the Draft. There are ways around everything.... In regard to Stamkos: I'm saying he's probably looking for a deal with an AAV of $10-10.5 mil per over 7 years.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:38 pm EST

Rhet: are you saying Stamkos is looking for a "minimum" of a cap hit of $10.5mill? In other words, that's the starting point he is seeking on the bidding?

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:15 pm EST

MF... You are correct, but the only thing that really matters is the cap hit. Crosby is making $8.7 Mil, Malkin $9.5 Mil and Toews is making $10.5 Mil. It is expected that Stamkos is looking for a $10.5 Mil cap hit like Toews.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:57 pm EST

FROM: ELLIOTTE FRIEDMAN JUNE 11, 2016, 1:53 PM ...... 23. Now that the NHL is starting to disseminate information about an expansion draft, details are seeping out. One of the biggest changes from where things started to where they finished is players with a no-move clause will have the option of waiving it. Another is that players with NMCs expiring by July 1, 2017 do not have to be protected. This will be a huge relief to a team like Arizona, which won’t have to waste a spot on Chris Pronger……. (NOW THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING, AND WHERE WE MAY WANT TO KEEP GIRARDI SO WE CAN PROTECT KEVIN KLEIN) “”””””””Other rules we are learning (and credit to Francois Gagnon of RDS, who was the first to get many of these details): “”Teams must offer at least one defenceman and two forwards who are under contract for 2017-18.”” … “”Those players must have played a minimum of 40 games in the NHL in 2016-17 or at least 70 games in the NHL from 2015-16 through 2016-17.”” Current clubs will also have to offer a goaltender who’s under contract for 2017-18 or an RFA-to-be in 2018. Of the 30 players selected, at least 20 must be under contract for 2017-18. There is a minimum per position. For example, the new entry/entries must pick at least three goalies”””””””…… The NHL also tried to pre-empt various shenanigans. While the new team(s) can trade anyone taken, none of the players can go back to their previous club until January 1. There will also be no buyouts of anyone selected until after the first expansion season. Finally, there will be a guaranteed spot in the draft lottery for four years…… 24. One other interesting wrinkle Gagnon reported: if Las Vegas is a financial disappointment, any “negative fluctuation in global revenue of the NHL attributable to the eventual losses of the new team won’t be accounted for from here to the end of the current collective bargaining agreement, which will expire in six seasons.” (Two notes: the above phrase is translated from French. And, the two sides do have the right to re-open the CBA in four years.)….. That’s… quite a pact between the two sides. I’d like to know more about it, but I’m not sure how much more information we’re going to get until this process is closed…… 25. Commissioner Gary Bettman was on SiriusXM NHL radio one day after Tuesday’s Executive Committee meeting. Asked about expansion, he said, “The process stands, that the committee will make a recommendation in due course.”….. A couple of sources warned a vote may not have taken place that day, and Bettman’s quote validates the possibility. There’s time. The full Board of Governors meeting is June 22 in Las Vegas. Final approval would come there, and it’s hard to see the NHL Awards overshadowed by a “No.”….. Personally, I believe Bettman’s decided to support expansion to Las Vegas, with the team going into the Pacific Divison for the 2017-18 season…… 26. Where does that leave Quebec City? One week ago, Brian Mulroney, Chairman of Quebecor’s Board of Governors, told LaPresse that city’s bid is “not for tomorrow.” It is expected Bettman will ask Quebec City to wait as Winnipeg did, while Carolina sorts out its ownership situation and Ottawa continues negotiations for a new arena. Bettman again threw cold water on the Hurricanes moving and people will wonder why Ottawa is even being mentioned, but a smart commissioner always keeps his options open — just in case…… 27. Looking at those expansion rules, can’t help but wonder if that is the long-term solution for Los Angeles and Dustin Brown. The Kings have told Brown his contract is untradeable. He is not listed as having an agent, and that’s a step he needs to take. This is where a good one can really help a client, using their own connections to see if anything shakes loose. If not, an expansion team in Vegas could be the right fit, assuming the Kings provide it with proper incentives……

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:43 pm EST

What a strange 365-days it's been for Hagelin. First he was traded from his massive market team to Anaheim. Fast forward he was signing autographs at a team event outside of a Panera Bread in a Lake Forest strip mall (true story) Big change from MSG events to be sure. And suddenly flipped to PIT and a SC parade.

E


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:01 pm EST

Congrats to Carlos, fuck you Pitsb!

Jerry_Garcia


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:24 pm EST

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Fotiu22


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:16 pm EST

R47: again in response to your 6:45 post, remember Girardi has one of the oddball scenarios in that his NMC becomes an NTC on JULY 1 2017. The league just announced that the Rangers (or any team with such a scenario) would NOT have to use one of the "protected slots" on Girardi even though technically his ""NTC"" part of his contract kicks in AFTER the "trade expansion" albeit by only 1 week to 10 days? .... Fa-stached ??? That means Capisce in Yiddish. :-)

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:08 pm EST

Slegs: according to this seems like STAMMER can earn 20% of $71.4mill or $14,280,000............ Rhet?

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:06 pm EST

MAXIMUM PLAYER SALARY Is there a maximum an individual player may earn? ..... Yes...... No player may be eligible to contract for or receive in excess of 20% of the Club's upper limit in total annual compensation (NHL salary plus signing, roster, reporting and all performance bonuses). In 2005-06, no player will be permitted to contract for total compensation in excess of $7.8 million in any year of his contract............ Source: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:02 pm EST

R47: it is possible that a team taking on a player with an NMC has ample ""protective slots"" available to them and is not afraid to have an unprotected player called away.... Another thing to remember is that if the league expands by one team, each team can only lose 1 player. If the league were to expand by two teams (unlikely as of now) each team can have 2 players called away...... Here's another aspect to all this mumbo-jumbo on how and who to protect: First-and-second-year professional players would be exempt, so you wouldn't need to use a protected spot on them....... AND, check this out: """A player can agree to waive his NMC, like Scotty Hartnell who just gave Columbus a list of teams he'd agree to be traded to, THEN, there is ALSO the possibility that the player can choose to waive his NMC going forward OR request that it stay in place... NOW this can come into play if a team acquires a player with an NMC desires to move that player at a later date........ I need a beer!

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:56 pm EST

Moof I had already eaten my cookies and drank my mooilk and took my nap.... I dropped my blankie .... Now answer my question mr rule booooook ....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:45 pm EST

Thanks, mf. What's confusing me is exactly what you are saying. How does a team plan for the draft and trades with all those questions still up in the air? I mean, let's say you want to trade GIrardi and Staal for player X and the 4th pick overall. Why would Edmonton (or whomever) be willing to take on 2 more NMCs if they would later have to expose some of their better players. The NHL needs to get all this resolved so teams have some idea of what the rules will be so they can make some informed decisions on personnel...

Ranger47


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:33 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-scott-hartnell-waives-no-move-clause-gives-blue-jackets-decent-sized-list/

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:04 pm EST

Legs, tell me you didn't spit your cookies by that reply. :-)

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:03 pm EST

If Sather gives the order fishboy will follow it ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:03 pm EST

Ranger47: Regarding the expansion draft: "if" the league opts for expansion... "USUALLY" the expansion draft takes place in the latter part of June. This however creates some oddball circumstances which have just recently been addressed. for example, a guy like Dan Girardi has an NMC which becomes an NTC on July 1 2017, SO, why should any team which has a players contract structured this way need to use up a "protected slot" on a guy they may choose to leave unprotected? ....... Remember, a team may protect 7 forwards and 3 defencemen & 1 goalie, OR, 8 skaters and 1 goaltender......... Another scenario which was just worked out is when a team has a player with a full NMC contract who is able to become an UFA on July 1st 2017... Why should a team need to use a "protected slot" for a player who is going to test the free agent market in a week later than the expansion draft?? There may be some other examples, hope I explained this clearly......

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:59 pm EST

And I get the Stamkos love die to his age. I also like what I have heard about his leadership qualities. Signing him would require the trading of Nash and others. I don't see anything that big or exciting being done by Gorton.

Bob


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:55 pm EST

Moof wrong two feet unless he's hiding more feet ... Moooove on ... Your adopted cousins have 4 .... Hoofs ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:52 pm EST

Slegs: 3 inches?

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:36 pm EST

Staal to Colorado or Dallas? Both have players I would be interested in. Barrie, Nichuskin, Landeskog, Gologoski. Don't see him waiving though.

Bob


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:26 pm EST

whats the max stamkos can get under buttman's rules ?

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 4:34 pm EST

TD I agree weak goaltending can lose you a cup but having the best goalie in the game doesn't win you one either. Ask Buff, or the Rangers about that one. You need to find that happy middle ground.

York18


Mon Jun 13 2016 4:32 pm EST

TD I said from day one when Saerella was in that deal it would be something this team would regret. Two second rounders and The Finn was a horrible deal and like you said may make the Yandle deal almost look like a winner.

York18


Mon Jun 13 2016 4:25 pm EST

TD: I don't care where players come from. I have always thought people were over the top with their obsession with prospects. If they've played 2-3 seasons in the Dallas system for example, who cares that we didn't draft him? It's the age, the ability to grow with the franchise, and getting them at a good and friendly cap number. Brian Boyle wasn't a New York Rangers draft pick but came at a good young player and became part of the core. It's a slingshot reaction by New York Rangers fans I believe because for so many years they didn't develop anyone, traded anything they had away. So fans grasp real tight on to prospects as if they are gold. You need prospects but to me the biggest factor is cap friendly and that usually means getting them young.

E


Mon Jun 13 2016 4:12 pm EST

Saarela looked good in the WJC for Finland this past Xmas...

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 4:10 pm EST

Canes signed the Finnish prospect the Rangers coughed up in the ill-fated Staal deal today.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 4:09 pm EST

To add to my malaise of having to deal with that shitbag team hoisting the holiest of holy cups, Aleksei SAARELA has signed with the Hurricanes. People grousing about the friggin' Hagelin trade should really take a look at how this one pans out. Could be more of a buzz kill than losing DUCLAIR for a year and change of YANDLE.

tdchi


Mon Jun 13 2016 3:58 pm EST

Some Ranger rumors circulating Twitter...supposedly, the Stars and Avalanche are interested in Marc STAAL...Wild and Jets are asking about KREIDER and STEPAN...And I'm starting to think one of my worst nightmares will come to fruition: The Rangers deal away their homegrown players and keep a hack like NASH...

tdchi


Mon Jun 13 2016 3:53 pm EST

Vic - No MURRAY in net, no cup in Pittsburgh. I would bet anything on it. They wouldn't have gotten out of the second round had it not been for that little shit. I get what you're saying, but gotta disagree. You need great goaltending to win a cup. I mean, look at Dallas and St. Louis. Both teams bumped off by lack-luster performances in net.

tdchi


Mon Jun 13 2016 3:32 pm EST

Could someone help straighten me out concerning the proposed expansion draft rules? As it stands, because of the NMC players who must be protected, wouldn't we have to expose Klein to the draft? If so, at his skill and price I would think he'd be a goner....

Ranger47


Mon Jun 13 2016 3:08 pm EST

RF4L, i'm with you. No more 30+ year old high priced UFA's...

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 2:34 pm EST

Salary wise. Forwards: Stamkos ($10), Brass ($5 mil), Zuk ($4.5), Pouliot ($4), Kreider ($4.5), Miller ($4), Hayes ($2), Stalberg/Fast/Lindberg/Buch ($4). Lines; Kreider - Stamkos - Miller, Pouliot - Brass - Zuk, Bush - lindberg - Fast, Stalberg - Hayes - ? Forwards total: $36 mil. D - man. Yandle ($6.5), McDonagh ($4.7), Staal ($5.7), Klien ($2.9), Mac ($1.4), Skjei ($.875) Total ($22 mil) . G-man Hank (8.5), Raanta ($1) Total ($9.5). Final salary: $36 + $22 + $9 = $67 mil.... 2 mil under the cap..

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 2:20 pm EST

Eriksson at $6,000,000 and Backes at $5,000,000 are precisely the sort of contracts this team loves to hand out and needs to stop handing out, IMO. Guys who will be serviceable in years 1 and 2 and then saddle the organization with albatross contracts for the remainder of their deals, which will be longer than the length of time they actually help the team, like Girardi's. PASS!

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 2:07 pm EST

mf, If we see major moves during the draft, then it is a not a fantasy. For conversation sake, let's play moving chairs. Nash, gone. Say we get a high prospect/high pick and a roster 3rd liner. That's $2.5 in salary back for $7.8 going another way. Stepan, gone. High prospect, high pick and a young promising roster player, winger. So $6.5 mil out, $1.5 - $2mil back. Girardi, out. We get a good pick back, plus cover $1.5 - $ salary. In contrary to some believes, Girardi has value. NHL d-man all have value. Put Girardi in the role of the 4-5 d-man. Play him 12-15 min a night, take him off PP, and he will be fine. Look now, we have shed $6.5 - $7 mil + $4.5 + $4 = $16 mil gain in a cap. Sign Stamkos for say $10 mil. U still have $6 mil in gains. Honestly, deal i would look for to do is with Edmonton for Benoit Pouliot + pick (4th rounder) vs Girardi coming the other way. One bad contract for another bad contract.. We all know that Edmonton will be looking to acquire a few d-man. Makes sense in my book for both teams. Neither Brass nor Hobbit looked the same without Benoit Pouliot on a wing. Then slide Krider and Miller with Stampkos. Lindberg vs Fast and Bush make up the 3rd line.

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:35 pm EST

andrei: OK, let's re-review signing STAMKOS again & again & see how we can re-tool and make the dollars work, I'm all for that especially since he's a marquee player & only 26.5 y/o at preseason... You're 100% correct on the endorsement front... So pencil in Stamkos for this "Fan-tasy" and then let's talk about the likelihood of moving M.Staal & his NMC, & or trading Girardi, and please pick & choose the moves you may see that need to be done to make this work and ice a competitor............ :->)

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:28 pm EST

andrei: hear you: What good is speed if you play like Rico Fata? (Hello mutta, hello fatta) We have been discussing here how The game has gotten much quicker... IMO that means the players get to their respective positions as the lanes open, and the players receive and pass the puck much quicker. Sure, speed comes into play, but when a player misses a defensive assignment when the game is played "quickly" it's pretty obvious..... We have to do something to make up for the "currently" thin feeder system, and the path of least resistance is the Free Agent Market.... The trick, sign the right Free Agents, and get this damn coach to coach to the players strengths, and change on the fly as the game dictates...... jmo again

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:27 pm EST

mf, No way Stamkos is going to the Western Conf, especially Edmonton. He is an Alfa male player. he needs to be the one, and only one. No way he signs with Edmonton taking a back seat role behind MCD. None.... Forget extra taxes. He will make that money in a week signing endorsements. Look at pretty boy Hank. Do you think he complains that he in NY? Do you think he cares that NY has a city tax? For a regular player, i can see how higher taxes could be a factor in a decision. For a star player? None...

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:20 pm EST

mf, No way Errikson signs for less then 5, maybe 6 year contact. David Backes will be dumb to sign for a 3 year contract. He will fire his agent for suggesting signing less then 5 year deal. That is his last contact. Same for Errikson. He will be looking at 5/6 * $6 or $ 5/6 * $5.5. I want no part of that. None. Dude, you need to realize something. This is a new NHL. Game is getting faster and faster each year. Neither are Jagr. These days players get old quick, once they hit 30 year old mark...

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:19 pm EST

Also: Rumors that Detroit is interested in STAMKOS, and I don't see him going to Toronto.... Brak out theat dead horse, I see Edmonton as a frontrunner......with some tinkering St.Louis, Ottawa, perhaps Nashville, even San Jose can make the dollars work...... it will be interesting......

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:13 pm EST

E: I hear you loud & clear.... andrei: Don't forget the tax consequences: NY City & NY State taxes are easily 15 cents on the dollar for every 41 home games played..... Florida & Dallas have zero state income taxes.... Now "E" tried to edjimicate me on the "jock-tax" but I don't understand it.... Regarding STAMKOS, if we can get him to sign in NY, I think we must really consider it and put it under the microscope......

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:06 pm EST

Stamkos... Very tempting. If i was in his shoes, i would sign with Rangers. Simple reasoning. You look around NHL. No way he is back in Tampa. That ship is sailed. What next then? You look at the Western conference. It is bigger and stronger then East. Longer travel and constant pounding night in and night out. Too many good teams fighting over points every night. Playoffs are a crap shoot now. Now look at the East. One top team, Wash. Then Pit's (maybe/maybe not). Then.... Rangers (with Stamkos) and Tampa. Less travel, faster pace, not as big as West, and better chance to come out out of East then any team out of West. If Rangers will guarantee Stampkos that they are planning to build around him, then we have a very good chance to sign him...

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:04 pm EST

MF: yeah but deserve vs. market forces? I think he will be over 4 easily

E


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:01 pm EST

$874k

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 1:01 pm EST

OAN: how could you not love the the negative reception BUTTMAN received on the West Coast??? What a testimony to his reputation. PRICELESS!

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 12:58 pm EST

andrei: Kreider was paid $2.475 mill last season, he doesn't deserve more than a $1mill increase IMO.... JT Miller earned $74K-$925K I doubt he gets more than $2-$2.5mill.. jmo naturally........BACKES is 32, put up 45 points, is 6'3" 220 lbs and you don't want to get hit by this guy! And that's what he does, he hits, and we need a center who brings some of that especially if we're flying with STEPAN & BRASSARD as the other two center.... If Hayes had an inkling of snarl to him, we wouldn't be hashing this out.... I'd venture a 3 yr deal for BACKES & a 4-5 yr deal for ERIKSSON.... again, T.Glass is not worth a roster spot...There are ways to make the dollars fit under the Cap.. BACKES: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3502 ............... HOCKEYBUZZ NYRangers: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR ............ GENERALFANAGER NYRangers: http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 12:37 pm EST

mf, you are looking at Backes @ $5.5. Again, he is 32 years old. Errikson is 30. David Backes never scored more 62 points in NHL. Why do you want him? He is 2rd line center, at best, on a good team. We have 2 now, and both are younger and better then Backes. Why are looking to get older, when time again and again proves that NHL is a young man game now days.....

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 12:29 pm EST

mf, how did you figure that 10 mil will let u sign Kreider, JT Miller, Bucknish, Hayes, Stalberg, McIlrath? Krider $3.5 - $4 mil at the minimum. JT about the same. Bush is minimum 900K, but i bet with bonuses around $2 mil. Hayes, $2 mil, Mac - $1.2-1.4 mil. Stallberg $1.4 mil. Total about $14 mil. You have no choice with Krider/JT Miller/Hayes/Mac, as they are all RFA eligible for arbitration.

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 12:23 pm EST

andrei: I bet we can get Eriksson at $6mill & Backes at $5mill...... If you look at contracts for guys like Eriksson, the cost is roughly $100k per point produced... We need the offense, where's it coming from if we don't buy it? IMO the offense can cover up for some of the defensive lapses which we must "suspect."

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 12:19 pm EST

mf, Pass on Loui Eriksson. 30 years old. Good player, but will be looking for a payday. 6/6.5 * 5. Pass Let him go to Vancouver. They will be looking to unload that contract in 2 years.

andrei


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:55 am EST

Eriksson gives you 50 - 60 points and takes a lot of attention off NASH.... Not to beat a dead horse but, we need to beef up the wings and push guys down in the rotation that better suits their talent levels.... jmo

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:51 am EST

Folks, as for the numbers: we have approx $56mill in contract commitments, figure $10mill to sign Kreider, JT Miller, Bucknish, Hayes, Stalberg, McIlrath, with a Cap Limit of approx $72.5mill that only leaves us $6.5 mill for Stamkos.... Trade T.Glass + $1.45mill brings us to $8.mill...... Trade Hayes, gets us a bit closer... Trade Nash & sign LOUEEE Eriksson, gets us real close......... For the same $11million, we could probably sign BACKES & ERIKSSON, & not have to trade NASH (who I actually think we should now consider holding on to the season, unless some team comes knocking with an offer too great to refuse) ...... This make Hayes expendable unless he or Lindberg plays wing, an dwe can see if Hayes & Staal or Hayes & Girardi can be packaged in a trade.......

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:34 am EST

The successful history of this franchise signing big name name guys is not good, so, do we stay away from that play forever, or, do we go at it again with Stamkos? Stamkos is only 26, should have plenty of hockey left in him, and is a shoot first kind of guy. His price tag & term of contract is a BIG commitment.....

mf


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:34 am EST

BOB: I am with you on Stamkos. However, that path is a little different this time around. Generally the NYR have been able to grab free agents at the end of their prime or if nothing else on the way down. No need to visit history on that one. But to me, Stamkos maybe the single most attractive UFA the league may ever have seen. A top 5-10 player who is just entering his prime and could give you 5-6 very elite level seasons for just cash. It's just unheard of that a player of this magnitude is suddenly available. That stated, I think the needs of this team are greater elsewhere.

E


Mon Jun 13 2016 11:28 am EST

RF: I think the NHL agents and GM's have been guilty of collusion for years now when it comes to free agents. The players know where they wanna go, and the GM's know who wants to be on their team and roughly how much it'll take to get them. Sometimes, I get the feeling that sometimes signings are somewhat formalities. In the time I've known someone who ACTUALLY worked for an NHL team office (now works for a baseball team) it has been explained to me in no uncertain terms. The league is a giant good 'ole boys club. Everyone knows everyone and they're all a lot closer then most fans think. They dine together, hit the links, have negotiated many times with every agent etc... The scouts all hang together.

E


Mon Jun 13 2016 10:56 am EST

FWIW, admittedly not much, ;), I am not a fan of signing Stamkos. It is the path that has been unsuccessful for the Rangers for years.

Bob


Mon Jun 13 2016 10:40 am EST

what a disgrace to name crosby the mvp....in 6 games he was shutout 3 times and in 3 games he had 4 assists! it should have been their goalie or kessell

Topovski


Mon Jun 13 2016 10:31 am EST

You know, I was thinking about the expansion team (let's assume for now it will be Las Vegas). They may actually be getting screwed by the planned "draft". I mean, they will be able to get access to the "upper middle" players from each team, and may even be able to sign a free agent or two. That probably puts them in the middle of the NHL pack - which can be deadly in terms of building for a Cup run since you languish with middle round draft picks. If I was starting out, I'd rather be like the 1962 Mets who lost 100+ games but was then able to draft 1st and was able to build the 1969 Championship team. Just saying.....

Ranger47


Mon Jun 13 2016 10:26 am EST

While I know that we lost badly in the first round, we can take some consolation that we lost to the Cup winners (who would have beaten us in any later round we would have faced them). And, without their super hot rookie goalie we (and others) might have beaten them....

Ranger47


Mon Jun 13 2016 10:16 am EST

Oh, are we going to do this again? Hire a star center and trade away the 'star' winger that should go with him, or at least enhance a second line, so we have two scoring threats? We always do this stupidity.

WIOSA


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:38 am EST

BTW, to me signing Stamkos will signal the end of Nash and one of Stepan/Brassard. Here's one of the problems with that scenario - the best time to make moves of that ilk is at the draft but Stamkos won't be available to chase until a week later. The timing is off. Worse, you can go 10% over the cap in the summer - signing Stamkos puts them way over, meaning a huge cap relief trade (or trades) must occur first. I don't have the numbers in front of me - would subtracting Nash's salary give them enough room to add Stamkos's salary? Or does Gorther have to make 2 moves of significance that would essentially amount to salary relief (meaning he gets little back or gets picks and prospects)? It's a conundrum for sure.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:33 am EST

For the Sharks, clearly the biggest disappointment in the finals was Pavelski. He looked like so many Ranger top 6 forwards, didn't he?

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:32 am EST

stevie: I agree, especially the Titanic analogy and that's because, as you point out, Gorther's decision to keep AV. I, too, share the vision of inevitability...

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:21 am EST

Not having hertl is a decent excuse ... The pigpens weren't missing a similar asset...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:18 am EST

Rf4l it would probably mean first a center has to be traded or not resigned , and then whatever else to fit the cap.... That's fishboys job and headache ...the spotlight is on him right now since he choose to stick with his coach for now.... Unless he has an ephiphany before the draft and /or July 1st. Unfortunately most moves will be rearranging the chairs on the titanic except for signing stamkos and the ripple wave effect from that... Rock the boat don't tip the boat over.... Until further notice they are hagmoves ...delaying what I consider the inevitable ....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 9:02 am EST

stevie: I worry about chasing Stamkos. It reeks too much for me of the Rangers MO for the past 15 years - a shiny object appears and the Rangers automatically chase it. I do get that this object is VERY VERY shiny...shinier than any other object they've ever chased before (save perhaps for the right to draft Eric Lindros). One side plus of signing Stamkos is that it likely means a bunch of other moves because of the cap hit Stamkos equates to. Nash has to go for sure, for example.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:59 am EST

Vic: Yep and what you describe is precisely what we saw in this cup final. The Penguins controlled the play in almost every period and regardless of how well Jones played, the Sharks' downfall was inevitable. I'd estimate I watched about 1/4 of the final and over and over and over what I saw is what I saw out of the Rangers all too often - the Sharks, like the Rangers in many of their games as the POs went deeper, trapped for long stretches in their own end. It's a recipe for failure ultimately, IMO.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:55 am EST

so is it agreed fishboy should sign stamkos if he goes ufa? ...then figure out who his next hagmoves are?.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:36 am EST

RF4L: Agreed. In the "old" NHL you built from the Goaltender out. We are in a different era. If you build from the Goaltender out in today's NHL what you are basically doing is conceding puck possession to other teams that build from the #1 Center on down. This is, of course, a big generalization but you get the point. It doesn't matter how good your goaltender and D are if the other team dominates puck possession and pins you in your end for long stretches at a time. Eventually they will score. It is inevitable. And when you are forced to play that way you generate almost no offense of your own because more often then not by the time you are able to get the puck out of your own end you need a line change to get your exhausted players off the ice. That cycle just feeds itself. Speed, Skill and Quickness trump goaltending, defense and physicality in today's NHL.

Vic


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:31 am EST

well the return on hagelin is still tbd since they are now prospects which many wanted . fishboy was capped out and decided hagelin was the odd man out.....so guess who made the difference for both the nyr bad year and the pigpens winning ....hagelin....so they won the cup because we traded hagelin ......i still consider that a disgrace....on all counts .....so far.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:23 am EST

Vic: Well, goalies can't score and therein is the Achilles heel for the Rangers in the 3 times they went to the final 4 (and beyond): Lack of timely/clutch scoring...

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 8:06 am EST

RF4L: Yes, we've been driving that bus here for almost a decade now. I was working yesterday and was able to skim the Wall but didn't have time to post. With the Pens win we have yet another example of an Elite #1 Center winning a Cup with a team that had an average (at best) goaltender. In fact, most people called MURRAY an AHL level goaltender just a few weeks ago. And I really have no idea what kind of career the guy will end up having. He could be great for a decade or could be out of the league in 2 years. The point, once again, is that it all starts with your #1 Center. Building around a goalkeeper is the opposite approach. I'll even go out and say it is the absolute wrong approach. All you need to do is ask yourself who are the best goaltenders in the league. I can't remember a year where a guy who was considered the best goaltender in the league (or even one of the top 2 or 3) won a Cup. Who are the guys who have been the best in the league over the last 15 years......PRICE, HANK, MILLER, LUONGO, I guess BRODEUR would be last "top" goaltender to win a Cup but I call BS on him. He was a really good goaltender who was a product of his team/system. Do we go back to HASEK? Certainly we go back past the lockout and rule changes.

Vic


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:58 am EST

Vic: Agree totally that Hagelin's success looks good on Gorther. Almost as bad is the lousy return he fetched the club. Geesh...

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:57 am EST

Vic- I agree, not at all impressed with Gorton's work so far. Every single move can be discussed back and forth, but looking at what he has done as a whole it's just weak.

Ola


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:52 am EST

First and foremost I wanted to congratulate CARL HAGELIN on his Cup win. I've never see a player work harder or be more deserving then HAGS. It was painful to sit there and listen to MARIO, RUTHERFORD, CROSBY and just about everyone else mention HAGS first or second when they were asked about what changed regarding their team that helped turn around their season. And there is no question that his addition was a huge spark for that team. His arrival and pairing with KESSEL gave them one of the most effective lines in the league. That, coupled with the promotions of SHEARY and RUST gave them blistering speed on all 3 top lines. HAGS, just like he was with the Rangers, was a symbol/example of the way they wanted to play. The absolute stupidity of trading HAGS away came back to haunt the Rangers as most here suspected that it would. And again it shows that the management of this organization is inept. Instead of paying to keep players that are difference makers (offensively or defensively) they invest in the mediocre. The "big names with mediocre games". GORTHER has nothing but egg on his face from the horrible moves of the last few years. Look in the mirror Jackass. Because the failure to win a Cup is on you.....

Vic


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:47 am EST

York: Wholeheartedly agree with your top centerman needed angle. You know, circle back to a few years ago we used to chat on here about the 3 to 5 holes this team had and at the top was always a number 1 center. It's never been addressed. I will give kudos to Gorther and the coaches in that they've achieved a great amount of success with 2 number 2 centers but look at what was their downfall in the 2 years prior to this past one: Lack of scoring. That weakness starts IMO with no true number 1 center. We all rag on Nash, with reason of course, but how more effective would he be playing alongside a true number 1 center, something he's never experienced in his NHL career? Tough to say for sure, but it's reasonable to believe he'd have better stats.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:43 am EST

Bob: Re ruin Carolina but win in Pittsburgh: I posted about that last week - I wonder how much the ownership in Carolina interfered. I suspect plenty. Rutherford and Kamos (or whatever his name is) are tight. Rutherford gets almost a job for life - with lucrative pay and perks - but at the cost of compromising his hockey integrity. I also know the hockey community at the executive level is tight - I strongly suspect everyone knows at that level which teams have interfering owners and which don't.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 7:43 am EST

Bob: Re ruin Carolina but win in Pittsburgh: I posted about that last week - I wonder how much the ownership in Carolina interfered. I suspect plenty. Rutherford and Kamos (or whatever his name is) are tight. Rutherford gets almost a job for life - with lucrative pay and perks - but at the cost of compromising his hockey integrity. I also know the hockey community at the executive level is tight - I strongly suspect everyone knows at that level which teams have interfering owners and which don't.

RF4L


Mon Jun 13 2016 6:51 am EST

LeoS, we will always wonder, but I truly think Sullivan and his Penguins wouldve adjusted. They did with the Sharks. They did with the Bolts. That is one of the things someone here mentioned (forget who) but I watched, and theyre right. The ability of that team to adjust on the fly - starting with the coach- was a huge part of their winning. Just MHO (and whomever pointed that out)

WIOSA


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:55 am EST

2) The best teams don’t always win the Cup, and the loser of the Stanley Cup Final is rarely the second-best team. I think this year the Penguins were the best team, from December on. And Washington was second. I’m not sure who was third. But it wasn’t San Jose. 3) The Sharks are easily one of the top 10-12 teams in the NHL. I don’t think they’re better than the Rangers. The Rangers played worse, no doubt, for a lot of the season and for their five games against the Penguins … but really, they were right there in the third period of Game 3, then collapsed. The Sharks were outplayed in every single game against Pittsburgh. Once again, hare beats tortoise. Handily. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/13/stanley-cup-final-in-review/#sthash.8XN2HXcJ.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:47 am EST

similar to a tramp,... buttman is a Schnorrer, a Yiddish term for a person who travels from city to city begging.

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:27 am EST

Leo that was a big part of it and the return of Capt fugitive parmenter sealed it. .... Hospo the pigpens changed their coach and traded for Hagelin , that's how much change was needed there and possibly here. ... Giving the pigpens an easy 4 wins in 5 games helped to get the next 12 ....San jose played game 6 like it was game 1... Especially in the 3 rd period with 1 sog in about 17 minutes. And their ex debbie coach had no answers .... They choked.... Another coach saving his timeout just in case , and their pp failed instead of tying the game . How many icings were waved off ? .... Buttman got his wish and intended goal.... Now sell that team and move it to Reno and move the Debbies to Atlantic city and other teams to cities where they have gambling .... Give horse racing a run for its money...tumbling dice but a lady never blows on some other guys dice ... That's why buttman is a tramp....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 13 2016 5:10 am EST

TD of course you see nothing wrong with them you like them, but you don't win a cup with centers who can't net more than 50 points a season. I'm going to use your fav team as an example Pitt has two cups and three appeatances in the last what 8 years? If you take MAF into the equation and his epic meltdowns they could have more. Look at the teams winning cups all have elite centers, would you confuse Brassard or Stepan in the mix with Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kopitar seriously? There is a reason you don't hear those two mentioned with those others, play which one of these don't belong with the cup winning centers and it's not hard to see who doesn't fit

York18


Sun Jun 12 2016 11:53 pm EST

Not that it would've made much difference for the Rangers playoff fortunes but I'll always wonder what would've happened if AV had dressed the same lineup in Game 3 after we won Game 2 in dominating fashion. That and the Raffi Diaz Wishing Well AV worships at will be with me long after AV is gone.

LeoS


Sun Jun 12 2016 11:39 pm EST

The Rangers weer't a disgrace becasue they loss to a perfect storm of a team (coaching, defense, discipline, vets/leaders, role players, kids) in the pens, they were a disgrace because of thw way they were playerd and coached since the deadline and were lucky to win just one game from the Pens...So much needs o be changed for the Rangers...So much..

Hospo


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:39 pm EST

Tocchet's name was already on the cup. He played for Pitt way back when they won in early 90s.

Shaggy


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:34 pm EST

Rhet no it's an accomplishment by the nyr .... ? ....Murray is an all star ? ... Or a mini all star ? ... Try again... Amazing what a coaching change can accomplish... But you go with your spin ... I won't ....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:30 pm EST

...I forgot Fehr and Hornquist

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:30 pm EST

Steve/Rhett..I have to agree with Rhett. That team has Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang...this is not a slouch team. PS ha, ha to MAF..I dont like him either.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:29 pm EST

Rick Tocchet's name will be on the Stanley Cup. Let that sink in.

Bob


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:26 pm EST

Yes, the NYR got eliminated by the Stanley Cup Champions. A team that is quite literally a mini All-Star team. Real disgrace.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:22 pm EST

Wiosa the nyr gave them the first 4 of 16 needed... A disgrace

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:21 pm EST

You know, when the trade was made (Haggy for Etem +) I did think Hags would be raising the cup, but thought it would be in Anaheim.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:20 pm EST

No Stevie, it would be the same for NYR fans if the Islanders won the cup and paraded it down OUR city under a ticker tape parade. THAT would be the worst,.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:17 pm EST

Hagelin and sully will send him a picture and a thank you card ...

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:13 pm EST

Who will Jeff Gorton trade that will lift the cup next year?

Bob


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:08 pm EST

Jim Rutherford......you destroyed the Hurricanes, then left them barren. How the heck did you luck into this job and now win the cup?

Bob


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:06 pm EST

About the same as nyr fans

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:03 pm EST

...and on a good note, just think how Philly and their fans (and I use that term loosely when referring to Philly) are feeling right about now.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:02 pm EST

Higgy... If the Penguins won, did you really think they's give it to anyone else? ....WIOSA.... Even that Isles team said it was unintentional. They were just playing 4 games in 5 nights and didn't do it. Yes, it should go away, unless Bettman wants it to go. Then I'll fight to keep it with my dying breath as long as he's still Commissar.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:02 pm EST

It's so refreshing to see & hear the consistent booing of Bungholio Buttplugman........... and Murray deserved the Conn Smythe

mf


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:00 pm EST

Not shaving better than no sog... Another coach looking like a deer in the headlights ..

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:55 pm EST

What B.S. How the F--- does Matt Murray not win the Conn Smythe??

Higgy21


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:54 pm EST

Rhet, that "tradition" started in the late 80s with the Islanders. You will note that the 94 Rangers did NOT wear playoff beards. Shave guys shave.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:52 pm EST

I will not watch shitmark and the rest ....talk their bs...

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:50 pm EST

The San Jose Shark are why playoff beards are stupid. Let the novelty die.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:49 pm EST

Congratulations Haggy and Sullivan. Eventually Ill look for photos of those two raising the cup, but not now.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:48 pm EST

Congrats to Hags. He was a huge catalyst for the Pens.

Shaggy


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:46 pm EST

It's over

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:44 pm EST

They look like the nyr

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:43 pm EST

San Jose doesn't know the way

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:41 pm EST

I think Thornton's beard is slowing him down. That thing can't be aerodynamic.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:39 pm EST

1 sog is absurd so far

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:28 pm EST

I'm torn between not having the Penguins win it and just having the damn thing be over with already. Very dull.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:17 pm EST

NHL POs are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

RF4L


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:01 pm EST

What's stale is the coach and his approach , and his convincing fishboy it's the roster .

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:00 pm EST

With all the talent on the Penguins, Kris Letang is the straw that stirs the drink.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 8:39 pm EST

Rangers should reconsider if paying Henrik Lundqvist big bucks is best way to win..... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/leonard-paying-lundqvist-big-bucks-best-win-article-1.2671167

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 8:26 pm EST

1-1

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 6:08 pm EST

Want to know one of the reasons I loath Sid Crosby? Here it is. Check it out: I understand everyone needs an angle when someone as incredible as Gordie Howe dies. But really? F@CK THE NHL. This is an embarrassment: https://www.nhl.com/news/sidney-crosby-following-example-of-gordie-howe/c-280942226?tid=280931450

tdchi


Sun Jun 12 2016 5:07 pm EST

Hospo the pigpens changed their coach during the season and now they are in the finals . Hopefully fishboy adds some players that can improve the team , like stamkos, and fires weeknow before Christmas ....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 4:30 pm EST

I too will be surprised if anything of substance happens this off season.

Bob


Sun Jun 12 2016 4:28 pm EST

If the Rangers keep Brass and Step as the top TWO centers, we are just looking at another wasted season when all is said and done....Another lost season in the Lundqvist window...Then again that was kinda decided when AV was allowed to return anyway ..Oh well, it'a all worthless rumors and opinions now, we'll see what really shakes out...

Hospo


Sun Jun 12 2016 3:51 pm EST

E: Nope, not the worse thing. The worse thing IMO would be do nothing. Fiddling with the bottom 6, however, is what Gorther did last off-season and it accomplished nothing.

RF4L


Sun Jun 12 2016 1:15 pm EST

RF: I really am not convinced it's the worst thing ever to have a bottom-6 retool be the feature of the offseason. I think it was weak and ineffective for huge swaths of the season. But you may have your top-6 threat already. You certainly could use another sniper to add to that. But really the NYR issues in terms of priority is the defense. The bottom-6 is easier to address but the defense is the Achilles heal to be sure. And that's not a free agent thing in my eyes. There will need to be moves.

E


Sun Jun 12 2016 1:03 pm EST

This Stepan Rumor is tricky. He's the only forward I don't want to see traded, but he is certainly not worth the 6.5 he is bein paid. Hopefully it's not Minnesota, I would rather sign Demers as a free agent, than Brodin

Higgy21


Sun Jun 12 2016 12:46 pm EST

All that said, I have this nagging sense of dread that Gorther will end up doing basically nothing - just some bottom 6 shuffling. If so, he'll be setting up for a very mediocre season that will likely result in AV being fired, the POs being missed and his own job on the line. At least, that's how I see it...

RF4L


Sun Jun 12 2016 12:42 pm EST

There is another reason to consider shopping McD: You've made a lot of noise (primarily thru the coach) that some changes to the core are required going forward. Well most of that core is weighed down by NMCs and/or unattractive salaries, meaning moving any won't be easy and may not fetch what you believe you need to actually truly affect the core. McD doesn't come with these burdens. Does Gorther have the gonads? Guess we'll see in the next couple of weeks...

RF4L


Sun Jun 12 2016 12:40 pm EST

Zero idea what that supposed to mean York. Probably a dig but it makes no sense. I disagree with you. Only thing the Rangers could really use in the middle is a guy who can crush faceoffs. Zero problem with Stepan and Brass.

tdchi


Sun Jun 12 2016 12:39 pm EST

IMO, there's no way Gorther trades x player(s) for the 4th overall pick. If he lands that pick it's thru a package that involves more than the 4th coming back. IMO, McD is clearly the most attractive commodity Gorther has to offer - still young, a top pairing d-man with a good contract. Of course all 3 are strong reasons to keep him but let's not forget for the Rangers he's wearing the C and so far has been underwhelming in that regard. If management believes that's an issue there are 3 options: 1) Live with it (and hope it gets better) 2) Strip the captaincy from him 3) Trade him. For me, if the return is right, 3 is the most logical option (again, assuming you believe he's simply not good captain material, meaning you erred in giving him that responsibility in the first place).

RF4L


Sun Jun 12 2016 12:22 pm EST

TD where did I say you need two you can't invent things please you need ONE top center and I mean a 70 point guy at the least something this team does not have and hasnt had since Nylander. And until we get a legit number one this team will always be on the cusp and its funny you can't tell the difference between centers but you sure can at wing with Nash I guess you can only discern the difference if it's a player you don't like.

York18


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:39 am EST

York - If the conversation is going back into what is and is not a 'top center' then allow me to pull the ripcord now, because I just can't anymore...deciding who is a top center...a 1A and a 1B and a 2C and whatnot. Sure, strong up the middle is a recipe for success...but you don't need Sid Crosby and Malkin to win a cup. And I'll also point out there are plenty of teams that are powerful up the middle that haven't done squat.

tdchi


Sun Jun 12 2016 10:32 am EST

Clearly, in today's NHL an elite center and an elite defenseman are the requisite core if the cup is the goal .A true #1 center is essential, no question about it. Just look at the actions of 29 other GM's.

gene_carr


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:36 am EST

TD no issues up the middle yeah well the results going against other tip centers begs to differ

York18


Sun Jun 12 2016 9:35 am EST

Rhet you found one team in 15 years what does that tell you? It tells me it is not a formula for success so pointing to the devs is not exactly the best thing either this was trap era hockey different game than today as well.

York18


Sun Jun 12 2016 8:57 am EST

I don't think the Rangers have any issues up the middle. They don't have a Crosby-type player there true...but STEPAN and BRASSARD aren't exactly weak...I would still go with trying to sign STAMKOS and then trading one or the other...but I don't think the status at center is preventing this team from hoisting the cup...Would trading McDONAGH be a step backward? Maybe. But it would put everyone into their proper roles on D. You pair YANDLE with someone like KLEIN and then reunite STAAL and GIRARDI...and have SKJEI an McILRATH play bottom pairing. I agree Yandle's D is a big step back from McD...but again...if you're looking to improve your roster, he's the guy you can use to do it...The only other option is to trade Staal and in that case, you're going to get pennies on the dollar because you basically have to find a team that wants Staal and where Staal wants to go. I don't think you could get into the top five by dealing Staal...Wonder what the Canes would want for the 13th and 21st overall?

tdchi


Sun Jun 12 2016 8:13 am EST

The 2003 NJ Devils had Scott Gomez as their number one.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 12 2016 7:22 am EST

York they can get Stamkos, and trade for that pick if fishboy has big gills.....have to keep both type of fans happy on the wall.....do the nyr still have a cap guru?.....probably got fired for this mess.....made by the genius and fishboy, the un-dynamic duo.....and their 3rd wheel weeknow.....

stevielegs


Sun Jun 12 2016 5:34 am EST

Shite Kirk is a waste number 4 lmao you'd think this guy was a Norris winner the way a couple you guys speak of him and he's not close.

York18


Sun Jun 12 2016 5:33 am EST

MF find me a team without a true number one center who wins a cup, I can show you a bunch of teams without a true number one who lost the cup. I can show you teams who built around wingers and suck or are middle if the pack but none that have won. The rangers have been the most consistent in being a top team but just can't find a way to win it. Tkachuk is not the answer only another misdirect. It's fun to draft high but to do it just to do it is stupid. Tkachuk will make this team better but this doesn't make this team a cup team and if that's not what you're doing then you're rebuilding in which case you need to find your number one center in the draft sooner than later. Stamkos you can go all in on him I'd even go bold and tell him this team is built to win now with you here take 10 mil for three years and test ufa again because once the cup is won hank will be retiring soon as will others and he won't want to be in a rebuild so they have three years to win a couple cups and when they do he will be labeled the savior and be worth even more come ufa.

York18


Sat Jun 11 2016 10:35 pm EST

Edmonton would be idiots to trade the #4 for Shattenkirk, who is 1 year from the Yandle-type payday.

Bob


Sat Jun 11 2016 10:11 pm EST

No to Shittenkirk.

RF4L


Sat Jun 11 2016 7:11 pm EST

I'm volunteering to drive Capt fugitive parmenter ... Wherever fishboy needs ....and weeknow when he gets the boot....

stevielegs


Sat Jun 11 2016 6:24 pm EST

TD: I hear ya.... St.Louis is reported to be seeking some offense, NASH & we eat $1.8mill brings their cost to $6mill per for 2 years? Are they interested in Kevin Hayes for Shattenkirk? Do we have to add in JT Miller in one of these scenarios?

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 6:18 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-salary-cap-decrease-could-spell-trouble-for-penguins-kings-and-blackhawks/

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 6:14 pm EST

mf - The Blues are hoping to get back the fourth overall for Shattenkirk....guess what: Unless someone like McDonagh is going the other way, he ain't coming to New York.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 6:10 pm EST

Does Edmonton really need Stepan or Brassard as a # 3 center behind MCDAVID & DRAISAITL? ....... Again, I think they are as appealing as any team out there to lure STAMKOS.... The have $60mill in signed contracts, move RNH frees up $6mill, Poulliot is paid $4mill, Ference $3.25mill, Fayne $3.625 mill, they can easily fit Stamkos...... AND, if we're not getting STAMKOS, but can help make him fit there all the while getting us that 4th overall pick, lets get this TKACHUK kid on board. He has the pedigree, and his dad could be a positive influence too......... Fire AV

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 6:00 pm EST

York: We're between a rock and a hard place..... We're not drafting high enough to get a #1 center. They come around infrequently, by the time we can acquire one in trade, they're usually on the downside of their career, "are you saying go all out for STAMKOS?" I could see the strategy to make such a decision....... I can also see the strategy of signing a BACKES and doing our best to ramp up the wings...... What say you??

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:54 pm EST

While I don't think the 4th pick is a crap pick if it is Tkachuk, YORK is correct in that the Rangers can ill afford to give up Stepan or Brassard for that pick unless it enabled them to draft Matthews. So if it is a deal for one of those centers it is indeed a crap pick unless the use of that pick brings back a true #1 center that they can afford. Don't see that happening. I really don't see a ton of huge moves happening. And if Gorton is really talking to Winnipeg about Kreider, the other player mentioned had better be Mark Scheifele for forget about it. And Winnipeg would be nuts to trade Scheifele.

Bob


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:49 pm EST

evets1980: t/y for the input. That's what this Wall is for, hashing it out.... We're about to see the other shoe drop as it relates to the costs for the poor management of this club..... We may need to eat some Edmonton doo doo to get them to take Staal & part with that 4th overall.... What do they consider doo doo? Pouliot at $4million? Fayne along with Ference? York's pal Yakmeoff? ................ RHET: Going through this 2 years in a row would certainly stroke ButtPlugsman's ego...... Fucking Napolean complex midget right out of the mold of SLEG'S buddy Robert Reich!

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:48 pm EST

In regard to NMC, please keep this in mind..... The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers..... BUT..... This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent).... If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:46 pm EST

Why the number four is a crap pick what does this team lack and has lacked since tgo and messier? A true number one center. There are none available to step in and do that after Matthews this is not the draft to move up unless it is for Matthews. Do we want another depend on the winger fiasco? No center can steo in right away or even in the next two years so you make that trade you're in full rebuild and hoping to have drafted something.

York18


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:36 pm EST

MF... Could you imagine doing this nightmare(Expansion Draft) two years in a row? I'd rather get it over in one fell swoop.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:32 pm EST

VIC.... So we're going to trade Derek Stepan basically for Derek Stepan (Duchene) just so we can save $500K? And then we're going to give them Staal for a pick? What am I missing?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:19 pm EST

mf... there is NO WAY that Staal brings back the 4th overall pick. Don't forget, that NMC goes with with him, which means Edmonton would be forced to expose a potentially more valuable player instead of Staal. Take that with his high salary and I'm not sure the Rangers could get that type of return for Staal.

evets1980


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:14 pm EST

WC: t/y

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:09 pm EST

mf: if its a NMC than he can't be sent to the AHL with out agreeing to it.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 11 2016 5:08 pm EST

The NHL has yet to announce the addition of a new team in Las Vegas – or anywhere else. But, according to multiple reports, the ground rules for an expansion draft have been relayed to league executives. Sportsnet’s Chris Johnston and James Mirtle of the Globe and Mail both reported the league’s 30 owners received information about how an expansion draft would unfold if it’s held next summer – in time for the 2017-18 season. The most prominent provisions existing teams would be obliged to follow when protecting players revolve around veteran statuses and no-movement clauses. Johnston and Mirtle said the NHL will make its teams leave two forwards and one defenseman who have played at least 40 games during the previous season or 70 over the previous two available to be picked. These players must have term left on their contracts. Any player with a no-movement clause that extends into 2017-18 – including those modified by limited no-trades, such as Pittsburgh Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury – would count against the protection limit, according to Johnston. Teams could ask those players to waive their clause to be eligible for the expansion draft. However, Mirtle reported there is likely to be exceptions for players with career-ending injuries like Ryane Clowe and Nathan Horton. Those with contracts expiring on June 30, 2017, like Calgary Flames defenseman Dennis Wideman and Minnesota Wild right winger Thomas Vanek, would be exempt because of their impending free agent statuses. According to Mirtle, NHL teams wouldn’t be allowed to reacquire players they trade between Jan. 1, 2017 and Jan. 1, 2018 in case they attempt to evade the expansion draft rules. In March, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said teams would have the option of protecting seven forwards, three defensemen and a goalie or eight skaters and a goalie. First- and second-year players are automatically exempt from the selection process, he said. Johnston reported that determining the classification of a second-year player would be based on the definition in the collective bargaining agreement – 10 games with 18 or 19 or any pro season when older. Therefore, the Edmonton Oilers would have to protect center Leon Draisaitl, who played 37 NHL games in 2014-15 before being returned to the WHL, or risk losing him. As for rules involving any expansion team, Mirtle reported it would be barred from buying out any player picked in the expansion draft until the following off-season. He added the expansion team would be given the same lottery odds for the amateur draft as the team finishing 28th overall. Thus, expansion team would pick no worse than sixth. The NHL’s board of governors is expected to vote on the expansion bids from Las Vegas and Quebec City on June 22. Las Vegas is looking like the more likely option. Quebecor chairman and former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney said earlier this month that the chances of Quebec getting a team are “thin for tomorrow,” but added he was optimistic about future relocation. Each existing NHL team can only lose one player per incoming expansion team.

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 4:43 pm EST

back to the drawing board, I've overlooked this damn expansion draft detail..(geezus) ..... See, we need to move STAAL because otherwise we have to protect him. With the aforementioned retooling, we're not going to want to use a "protected slot" on STAAL........ If one takes a close look at Edmontons D corps, I think they need a LHS Dman upgrade more than a RHS defenseman.....So, if M. Staal would agree to move, they may have some interest..... NOw, how do we get their 4th overall? Would Staal for the 4th do it? I don't know. Would we have to take back FERENCE (signed for 1 more yr at $3.25mill) which would be addition by subtraction for Edmonton in order to entice them to trade their 4th? Ference also has an NMC, and I'd want to flip him the heck out of here but we'd need his approval.. Maybe we could just buy him out. Could he be sent to Hartford & not count against the cap?

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 4:25 pm EST

Bob: I think that it is worth the risk of changing the dynamic of our defense, to help our offense, while at the same time evolving into today's NHL..... How's that for some ambiguous psychobabble? :-) ...... In other words; it sure looks like the game is getting faster, and while the defensemen don't necessarily need to skate like Eric Heiden, they do need to make a quick, and appropriate first pass, and possibly 2nd & 3rd pass to get into the neutral & offensive zones... Quick vs Fast, we've had that conversation here recently and I think it deserves continued merit..... So, it's time Skjei & McIlrath are penciled in for full time duty... I would NOT pair them together for a good long time unless they hit it out of the park as a pair..... We sign Yankle to replace McDonagh, we have Yankle / Staal / Skjei down the left with Graves as a backup, we trade Hayes & or sommething to get SHATTENKIRK.... Gives us Klein / Shattenkirk/ Mcilrath down the RHSide, & resign Diaz for Hartford, I just checked, he's a RHS...... With Girardi & Dan Boyle gone we knocked a ton of years off the defense........ For the record: McDonagh costs $4.7mill, Girardi $5.5mill = $10.2mill...... Yankle at $6.5mill & Shattenkirk at $4.25mill for next year only (we need him to agree to an extension as part of trading for him) = $10.750 mill so this little shindig costs us $500k......... I think that if we forget about Stamkos, and the Cap rises to at least $72.5 mill (just a $1.1mill increase) we can afford Backes & Eriksson, or Backes & Brouwer.... Eriksson & his 50-60 points appeals to me more than the RHS Brouwer & I'm big on having at least 1 RHS on each line and 2 RHS on the lines that have a RHS center........

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 4:13 pm EST

RF4L---Like I said, id the deal is bigger than the #4, I am all ears. If Edmonton takes another player who they need to clear cap space, or includes a player of value, maybe. Frankly, given the dearth of prospects if the Rangers made a deal like that, they would be wise to trade the #4 for more picks. Either way, I don't expect Gorton to have the onions to deal McD, and I would rather have McD than Yandle going forward.

Bob


Sat Jun 11 2016 3:57 pm EST

Wild. It makes zero sense TO YOU. obviouslynot to others. IMO you don't do McD for the 4th. The dwal would be bigger. Like McD and G for the 4th and Eberle....

RF4L


Sat Jun 11 2016 3:45 pm EST

Trading McD and company for a 4 pick or whatever to me crosses that threshold of retool to full on rebuild. I don't think that is something that is buzzing in the NYR hive mind. I continue to point out that while there is need for an injection of life and some defensive moves this team is not like say Edmonton status. A team that is trying to find their way on year-15 of the 3-year rebuild. I could easily see the NYR making a few moves in the right way and go right back to being a top team. I'll point out since this is the SCF that last season the fans in SJ were screaming for either Pavelski or Couture to be traded for future interests. They wanted Burns traded because they worried his value was dropping like a stone. Does anybody think those were good ideas now? The NYR are in a similar place. They have some intriguing prospects, some obvious deadweight and are a few shrewd moves from being back in the thick of it. I know the offseason is the silly season and things start getting a little out there but a bottom-6 is not difficult to rebuild and there are good pieces to build a frame out of already. And plenty of players out there in NHL land that can be had for reasonable prices. It's nice to think that we should dump big and get a shiny new prospect but we also have a shiny new prospect in Buch coming next season. Assuming he makes the transition nicely and by most accounts he is gonna have a very nice career in the NHL, certain things might be taking care of itself. Now if only the NYR brains saw my blueprint for winning, and acted upon it. Because I am the genius they've needed. A no nonsense guy who will smack AV with a white glove and challenge him to pistols at dawn. But I do have a lot of "inside" knowledge in the sense that I know how inside operates by people who have worked inside, and they know that sharing inside information even in the rare cases that they do know could cost them there job or be subjected to libel prosecution. therefore, they don't and this is why we all can have playing armchair GM but honestly can only speculate on what the management is thinking the next turn is gonna be. But I do think it's safe to say that the management is gonna want to retool that blue line for a possession game.

E


Sat Jun 11 2016 3:23 pm EST

MF---I did not mean to say there was no way, but dealing McD for the #4 is a step backwards immediately. If the deal would be expanded by Edmonton taking a Girardi or adding something more substantial, maybe but it leaves a huge hole on the backline. You think that Brady Skjei is ready to step up there? Or do you agree with AV that he can simply plug Raphael Diaz in there ? ;)

Bob


Sat Jun 11 2016 3:18 pm EST

Sorry. You don't solve a defense dilemma by moving your top defender who gets payed like a number 4 in order to keep a guy who has defensive liabilities for 50% more per year.....it makes zero sense.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 11 2016 3:14 pm EST

Bob, c'mon now; since we're talking Edmonton & their 4th overall pick & McDonagh in the same breathe, there's plenty of creativity to make this sucker work; for instance, we can sweeten the offer & try to get EBERLE, a RHS sniper, 3 more yrs at $6mill per, perfect..... Maybe we ask them to take Girardi too, so that's addition by subtraction for us, and unclugs our dilemma at defense...... its all a conversation, something could be done.......

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 2:58 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh is the Rangers top d-man. AND is signed to a very reasonable deal. I am not sure that there would be an offer immense enough for me to trade him for those reasons. IMO, if the Rangers trade him it would be because they have decided that they would rather have Yandle than him. Can't see that either, when the coach played Yandle on the 3rd pair with Boyle for most of the season. I don't see Gorton taking a risk like that.

Bob


Sat Jun 11 2016 2:30 pm EST

RF4L - I concur with my man mf. No way you pass on a sure thing to get a couple maybes. Though there are other guys I really like lower in the first...Alex DeBRINCAT for one...another legacy, Keiffer BELLOWS is a real solid player...and a guy who will probably go in the mid-to-late rounds and could be a real sleeper: Clayton KELLER.....the other one of NYLANDER'S boys is pretty solid too...Olli JUOLEVI is another who would fit really nicely into this organization...I suppose you could flip the fourth overall for Carolina's 13th and 21st...and maybe get back the second rounder we gave them...but frankly, if we're giving up McDonagh, I want someone who is all but guaranteed an NHL career coming back the other way...Said this last year too, but it's almost a must for the Rangers to try to get into the first round. There are some really solid kids to be had. Less so later in the draft, IMO...Couple of other legacies who may be on the board when the Rangers pick: Ty AMONTE, Tony's boy...and Ty RONNING, Cliff's boy, who is apparently a chip off the ol' block.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 2:18 pm EST

MF: Thornton and Nash played very well together for Team Canada. Thornton is a great three zone player. He is of course best known for his vision but he's a high IQ player who is always good on the back check. Thornton doesn't like to lug the puck up ice. He likes to receive it and send it somewhere else. Nash likes to lug the puck. Oh, does he ever. So, they work really well together as a tandem. Neither one of them loses sight of the defensive game, and they both can make plays at the other end of the ice. When Nash was gonna be moved the thinking was that he was either NYR or SJ bound. SJ because of how well he played with Thornton. And apparently they're pretty tight off the ice. They both played together for HC Davos during the lockout. So, they had a good 20-30 or so games feasting on sub-par competition. Although I think Nash got hurt at some point. Don't recall...

E


Sat Jun 11 2016 1:54 pm EST

You going to pass up on a kid like TKACHUK?

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 1:53 pm EST

RF: the weed good up there today?

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 1:45 pm EST

TD. Or you parlay that 4th pick for 2 lower firsts....

RF4L


Sat Jun 11 2016 1:40 pm EST

If McDonagh gets us Tkachuk we need to spend some time thinking this through. Are the games of Tkachuk & Kreider redundant? I have said several times that if theres anyone Kreider should enlist as a coach or mentor I think Keith Tkachuk would be that guy.. I think Shanahan would have been a good mentor too....... If we move McDonagh we can afford Yandle, I'n NOT saying thats the way to go, just saying we can make the dollars work..... If we can then move Girardi, we can talk about SHATTENKIRK.... Maybe St.Loueee has an interest in Hayes, he'd come cheap..... IMO, while Shattenkirk may not be a great first pair Dman, I think he can fill in admirably, he's certainly 2nd pair talent, and his nasty has a very short fuse which I love.....We can then go out and bid for BACKES

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 12:35 pm EST

RF4L - It's actually not a bad idea...trading McDONAGH would do a couple important things: First, it would allow them to resign YANDLE...second, it would allow Yandle to at last play a top-line role. One of the craziest things about his tenure on Broadway is that he's essentially played third-pairing. And third, it would give the Rangers a franchise piece. I'd say Matt TKACHUK is a can't-miss NHLer. The kid is a complete package. He's got skill, he's got size and he's got snarl. And he's ready to go. He'd step onto the Rangers next season and probably be worth 40-plus points...I've never been a huge fan of Yandle and think he has his fair share of warts...for instance, I've never seen a guy with a shot like he does --just hard and accurate --who has absolutely no propensity to shoot the puck. I mean, he could be a 20-goal scorer if he would stop thinking pass all the time...and I also think he's average at best on D, which the Rangers must improve next season...but if the takeaway is Yandle AND Tkachuck versus just McDonagh? Well that's an easy decision right there...as for NUGENT-HOPKINS don't know if I'd want him or not. Seems like what you see is what you get with him, which is a smallish center with a boatload of talent who gets shoved around and injured a lot.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 11:50 am EST

TD. I've saying for weeks now that 1) the Oilers 4th is in play and 2) the Rangers need to see what McD would fetch...

RF4L


Sat Jun 11 2016 11:14 am EST

Don't think Jumbo Joe would have had any magical chemistry with Nash HERE on the Rangers.... Joe has chemistry with guys the shoot the puck. Nash doesn't have a one timer in his arsenal... Would have liked to move Nash to San Jose to see if they could develop some chemistry there, if they did or didn't, who cares? ;-)

mf


Sat Jun 11 2016 10:52 am EST

LeoS LOL!! Man, just a great example of why I hate Pittsbugh. I tell you what: If I paid the money they ask for a cup game ticket, the only time my ass would leave that seat would be to get beers, take a piss and when the ushers pealed my wasted ass out of it. Those clowns in Pittsburgh wouldn't know good hockey if it bit them in the ass and then spit a chunk of it back in their faces. Such fair-weather candy-ass losers. And you just recited my dream: For Pittsburgh to choke. Ohhhhh how sweet that would be. I'm praying to the hockey gods as we speak for just a sliver of hope that they get tossed. How epic would it be to watch them blow game 7 in Pittsburgh? Almost, but not quite, as epic as watching the Rangers hoist the cup, according to my fan-o-meter. Not keeping my hopes up, but still keeping hope.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 10:46 am EST

Jeremy Rutherford of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "If the Blues trade Kevin Shattenkirk, they may not get a player back with a similar salary. If they did get a player back with a ‘higher’ salary (ie. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins), they won’t have the money to potentially re-sign David Backes. Rutherford thinks a Shattenkirk trade would include picks and/or prospects. A Shattenkirk and Brian Elliott for Nugent-Hopkins and the No. 4 pick has been speculated a lot." Whahahaaat?!? Several immediate thoughts: First, forget SHATTENKIRK if that's what the Blues are asking...second, the Oilers are marketing the fourth overall pick?!?! Rangers MUST be in on that. The fourth overall would be Matt TKACHUK...and talk about a player that would meet the Rangers' immediate needs...he's it if there ever was one in the draft...third, what the hell would the Rangers need to trade for NUGGENT-HOPKINS and that fourth? Maybe McDONAGH and...I love McDonagh, but that's a trade I'd think very seriously about making.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 10:14 am EST

Vic - very true, re: SEGUIN. Still, I don't really understand how the Sharks got through the Blues...Goaltending is the only explanation I can come up with...re: GOLIGOSKI - nah...I can't image he's going to come cheaper than STAAL...and if you're going to pay that kind of money, then you might as well trade Staal and sign YANDLE. I'm not so sure the retard at BB is correct in assuming Yandle will get $7.5 million...maybe $6.5 million...and if you're resigned to trading Staal, then that's just an extra million for Yandle...in fact, that's probably the best move for the Rangers to make...But Staal's NMC is the big issue...the only way around that I see is if they can find a team that will trade for the rights to his brother and then move them both...but alas, I think what will ultimately happen is that the Rangers go into the season with McD, Staal and Skjei on the left...And Yandle? I would be willing to bet he ends up in Boston, which will really suck.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 8:56 am EST

Yes, I was the one bagging on THORNTON and no, I didn't want any piece of him here. Still don't. For the record though, he was 34 and it was right after he pulled a no-show in the playoffs...I have no idea what he would have cost the Rangers, but it wouldn't have been cheap. Probably would have started with STEPAN and MILLER and moved from there. No idea whether the Sharks were ever truly interested in trading him or whether there was any interest on the Rangers' end...but it was the wrong move for the franchise and IMO, wouldn't have brought them any closer to a cup. I suppose you could argue he could have posed some sort of magical chemistry with NASH and the two would have been superstars together...but I think that's a real stretch of reality...as for my personal beliefs of him, I've had no respect for him ever since he called the Tortorella Rangers' soft...right after the beat the piss out of his team. I understand he dialed back his comments, but man...what a stupid thing to say. That's like starting a fight with someone, getting your ass kicked and then calling that person a pansy. No...accept you lost, shoulder the blame and move on. But water under the bridge. I could care less about the guy now...if anything, I'm pulling for him to get the cup in a pretty major way...my commentary yesterday was purely observational. COUTURE and BURNS were a force of nature...PAVELSKI had his moments...but Thornton looked pretty invisible...not nearly as invisible as MARLEAU, who is just a ghost out there...Them losing HERTL was a major blow, but I still don't think a healthy Sharks was that good of a team.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 8:53 am EST

Because we are talking about the Rangers, and because they usually do things that I disagree with I'm going to throw out another possibility. I'm betting that YANDLE is gone. He will cost waaaay too much for the Rangers to even consider unless he wants to take a 30% discount to stay......and why would he do something that stupid. So, where do the Rangers go from there? Well, I expect that SKJEI will be on the roster in his place. But STAAL is the ugly duckling on the left side. I think the Rangers work with him to move him, possibly in a deal for someone like DUSCHENE. Maybe it is STEPAN and STAAL for DUSCHENE and a prospect/pick. With the cap relief I see the Rangers going out and signing someone like GOLIGOSKI instead of looking at GRAVES or BODIE for a promotion. Those guys will be the first call-ups if there is an injury.

Vic


Sat Jun 11 2016 8:35 am EST

Man, the Gordie Howe news is just crushing. Knew the guy was on borrowed time, but still...hurts to lose such an incredible athlete...what a legend. I mean, this guy scored 40-plus points at the age of 52(!!!)...And at 69, he skates in a semi-pro game...just two shifts and is almost credited with a goal...didn't play a single game with a helmet...never drafted...didn't start playing until he was 8...ambidextrous...not the faintest hint of curve to his blade...man talk about a guy who was just built to play hockey...I marvel at how Jagr is still relevant in the league...but Gordie? Relevant for FIVE DECADES. Got to wonder what he would have been like in the modern NHL, with the advent of lighter gear, better skates and whatnot...what a loss.

tdchi


Sat Jun 11 2016 8:23 am EST

Rhet/mf. That is interesting. Brian Campbell's $7,000,000 cap hit is off their books July 1, too. Yeah they are gearing up for the pending ufa period...

RF4L


Sat Jun 11 2016 7:32 am EST

MF.... My guess us that they will first go after Stamkos (like everyone else). They will also be looking solid/rpricier players that can help them improve their team and also help them get to the cap floor. They will most likely have their choice of high priced vets coming from teams that wont be able to protect everyone.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 11 2016 3:12 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/10/rangers-player-evaluations-derick-brassard/#sthash.KxKAcdlA.dpbs

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:32 pm EST

Could Florida be a landing spot for Marc Staal? NO State Income Tax = instant raise, and we can eat some salary, say $700K p/y.....................A quick look at The Panthers Defense: Campbell UFA 37 yrs old (LHS), Willie Mitchell UFA 39 yrs old (LHS), Dimitry Kulikov 25.5 yrs old (LHS) signrd thru next season @ $4.333mill, Jakub Kindl 29 yrs old (LHS) signed thru next season @ $2mill, Down the Right side they have: EKBLAD, PETROVIC, KAMPFER ................ If Campbell, or Mitchell, or Kindl are not resigned or moved, well, ya never know........

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:08 pm EST

Rhet: any ideas on what FL's motivation is? They traded Gudbranson to Vancouver 2 weeks ago, (a guy I had wanted) and that's a guy who I think has a much higher ceiling than he's acheived.... Think they're in on the STAMKOS Sweepstakes?

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 9:36 pm EST

Like I was saying the other day, the Florida Panthers are open for business! They're clearing out salary space so they can take on salary/players. Give them a call Gorton!

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 6:57 pm EST

hey look at that a trade. Devils acquire Marc Savard and a 2nd rounder from the panthers F Graham Black and Paul Thompson.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 5:15 pm EST

and i would bet there are few NMC/NTC given out this summer

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 5:10 pm EST

how about this as a side effect of possibly two expansion years....teams will send players back to Junior who are ready for the next step in order to try to keep them from becoming eligible for the expansion draft...if they don't play this season as a pro, they wouldn't be eligible for a couple seasons...at least under the current rules that have been released so far

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 4:57 pm EST

It's obvious that we must invade Canada and convert them to the USD for the love of the sport.... What's next on today's agenda?

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 4:37 pm EST

mf: I am nearly certain that QC will not get a team unless the CDN goes way way up. Even the local officials who were fighting to get another NHL team have seemingly switched to talk about all the other great opportunities for the city and a new facility there. the CDN is just too weak, and the BOG likely will not want another team that brings in less comparatively. A team in the USA right now can make 30% less revenue than a Canadian and the NHL gets the same amount when you take into account the exchange rate. Likely a team in Seattle would not make 30% less than a small market Canadian team, so they would make much more money, and thats what they are thinking about. Also the NHLPA wants that, because they get a percentage of revenue based on USD not CDN, so the more USD they can make the better for the cap and salaries. Everything right now is against a Quebec City team.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 4:31 pm EST

On a different subject... Absolutely hate the Pens yet still expect them to hoist the Cup this year. But after SJ won last night, which dashed the dreams of a Cup win at home in Game 5, the BEST thing would be to see them lose the series at home in Game 7 after being up 3 games to 1. And, it could happen. You need to only look at how good our team was in 94 up 3 games to 1 against a vastly inferior Vancouver team and we won in 7 only by the skin of our teeth. So, Go Sharks and Choke Pens!

Ranger47


Fri Jun 10 2016 4:24 pm EST

Seems like the NHL is going to add one team, Las Vegas" in 2017/2018 & then an additioanl team Quebec City 2018/2019..... If so, the team s will have to go through this exercise of protecting players back to back years..... Seems not well planned, and the schedule & divisions will be mulliganed... (mulliganed: that act of mullinganing)

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 4:04 pm EST

RF: But TD is a dick... His opinions are totally invalid. J/K

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:52 pm EST

RF4L: True and teams will go as long as possible hoping for a better deal.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:37 pm EST

Wild: IMO, the bulk of the trades will happen on draft day - starting with the first round on the 24th. It's reasonable to expect one or two to go down before that I think. However, in many cases draft picks are involved and when they are high picks, especially first rounders, sometimes they aren't consummated until the team trading them away see who's available and who's gone.

RF4L


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:25 pm EST

AFAIC the only person on here who rips Jumbo Joe is TD.

RF4L


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:25 pm EST

Wild: I think its a pile of hay waiting for a spark. There could be a ton of action coming.

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:15 pm EST

On a rumors note, lots more noise out there today about teams talking....but I wonder if anything will happen until the 22nd...well the 23rd after the awards ceremony and the vote on expansion is announced. The NHL has held off announcing trades and signings of everything from players to coaches on awards day so i doubt we will hear anything, well anything official, until after the ceremonies are completed...the expansion answer will tell GMs what they need to do....and trades will or will not happen based on that. at least I think so....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:11 pm EST

First time I saw Melker it was 2-seasons ago during a rookie scrimmage against Anaheim. He reminded me of a young Dom Moore. He was just tenacious. Forever harassing the puck carrier. He is like a determined fly. He never quits on a play. Good all around hockey player. You need guys like this.

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 3:08 pm EST

On HAYES again, IMHO, I would love to be able to sit on him and see if he can develop since he "just" cost money. But it all hinges on other moves and if there is going to be expansion yet or not. If that is pushed off you don't have to worry about that for another year and the Rangers can see what they can do with Hayes.At the same time, like I said yesterday, of the young players on the Rangers, he would be near the top of the list to be moved if I had to make that list. He would get the most return and balanced with his impact would be the best young guy to move. Lindberg and Fast may not have his impact, or the potential impact as well, but the return would be a lot lot smaller. Keizer would be another, but for some reason with him I just can't imagine moving him, I mean I know there are players you move him for, but he has a lot more snarl than Hayes and it just seems like he is trying to figure it all out and making some progress, but it may all be a tease, but at the least he gets D backing up and on their heals a lot more than Hayes. Who as some have pointed out over and over, he curls around a lot and slows things down...he has a great stick, both offensively and defensively, but its admitting how he stops the flow. (Moore does the same damn thing at times) It just flies in the face of the style of this team when they are playing well, when they are wining its due to the transition and speed that the pucks gets down low, they cycle and get the D and goalie all moving and it opens up lanes for good chances. When Hayes curls back it lets the D get into position, and even the worst teams have good position 90% of the time....its the NHL, that stuff in general is all natural for these guys. Some teams play that way offensively and it works for them due to their players, Hayes would fit in better on a team like that, and likely we would be saying how good he became and he should have been kept, however, I don't know if his style will fit the style of the rest of the team.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 2:57 pm EST

E, are we actually in agreement on something here? .... when Pitt won there 1st two games everyone was singing praise to their 4th line, well, San Jose's MELKER KARLSSON has been an absolute energizer bunny who's legs just don't stop moving... He scored a big big goal two games ago & last night had a goal & a helper......

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 2:42 pm EST

The absence of Hertl really changes the complexion of the Sharks. He is so effective and getting low and wide and it's impossible to get the puck off of his stick. His thighs are huge. And he is so wide. He just shields off the puck drags it to the net, pumps it to the trailer while he takes up so much of the goalies line of sight. He is a menace in tight with soft hands. A trait I wish CK had more of. But then again Hertl could only drool at the speed that CK has.

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 2:37 pm EST

Remember, Joe was supposedly available when he was 31 and some people thought he was a loser and wouldn't have much left in the tank. He definitely wasn't good enough to play on the NYR because he was the reason that SJ didn't win any cups. Forget the fact that his gaudy stats didn't offset goalie breakdowns, a defense that was cursed and a black jersey that had great mojo for years suddenly turned to an impediment. All the while playing for a team that had more wins then any other franchise in the NHL since 2004. I don't know what will happen. It looks bleak but if they fall short yet again, no one should blame Thornton. How much more can the guy do?

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 2:29 pm EST

TD: The Sharks were w/o Hertl again last night & how were they the 2nd best team in the NHL, Pavelski had a great year, Thornton avged a point per game mostly assists naturally, the man has a way of controlling the corners, coming away with the puck & dishing it off... The Sharks are here because they earned it.... jmon

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 2:22 pm EST

Hapless Joe Thornton has 21 points (3/18/21) in 23 games this post-season and 10 points in his last 9 games

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 1:06 pm EST

Hayes need some time in Hartford, but they couldn't send him there....and he still does until the dim light gets brighter....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 10 2016 12:59 pm EST

I was fortunate (and old) enough to see Gordie Howe play in his prime in the mid 1950s, and he was everything you've heard about him and more! RIP.

Ranger47


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:53 am EST

E: I concur that's the way Brassard plays. When he comes to play. Too many games, however, he's invisible because he's not come to play. This is a man with 30 goals and 70+ points in him - if he really wants it.

RF4L


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:39 am EST

Vic.......thanks buddy !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:29 am EST

On the other end of the spectrum, on HAYES, without a doubt the kid has some offensive talents, but until he uses it in context of the team game and two way play, and stops all the maddening selfish looping and circling, he will be nothing but a disappointment

Hospo


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:25 am EST

Sad to hear about Gordie Howe....Not many on here can remember watching him live or on TV, I can...Even as an older guy, he was so talented, nasty and FEARED in the 60's..100 damn points as a 40 year old....Yeah, vets suck..:).....I didn't score many three goal hat tricks in my days of playing...but I did have more than a few Gordie Howe hat tricks of which i was very proud...!!!!

Hospo


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:06 am EST

Oh and that was a comparison to Hayes. Just forgot to add that. Oops. Not enough coffee yet.

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:04 am EST

Vic: I've always seen Brassard as a 2-way center. Our modern Sergei Nemchinov. Not the player but the role. He is responsible, back checks as good as any and is unselfish with the puck. Yeah, I feel like they could squeeze some more offense out of him. But, that's true of a lot of players. But Brassard plays the game at speed and doesn't force the issue nearly as much. He plays what he's given and does something with it. This is where eye test comes in over stats. He stirs activity. Too often and this goes back to his rookie campaign he won't put his body to the half boards to stop the advance, he doesn't sell out but what irks me insanely about the guy is he suspends animation. He is so good at extending a play by slowing everything down yet when he does he doesn't do anything with the puck. He just allows his time and space to be taken away and then he turns the puck over too often instead of just putting the puck to a corner and let someone dig it out. He's allergic to chip and chase hockey. But here is the killer for me. I firmly believe in pace and pressure in hockey today. Not because PIT is fast although you'd think by the announcers who have yet to pull the yellow and black penis out of their noses that speed is something revolutionary and amazing. I think the game is so much about speed and possession. How do you suppress shots against and scoring opportunities? Pucks that are 200' away from your net. That's how. Why is PIT giving SJ fits? Possession. And this is the problem with Hayes. His desire is to play like Joe Thornton. Slow plays make passes that lead to scoring opportunities. Problem is, he is not Thornton. Thornton craps more talent every morning then Hayes will have for his career. And so I just do not see Hayes as a great fit. Oh and the face offs. To credit the orange one: 'we don't win anymore. It's a disaster.'

E


Fri Jun 10 2016 10:03 am EST

NEWFIE: I'll have the ketchup and salt ready to ease the taste of those shorts if/when the time comes....;-)

Vic


Fri Jun 10 2016 9:56 am EST

Watching some of the Gordie tributes that are popping up and man players like Brassard should listen to some of Howe's quotes, primarily about never taking a night off because it's a job and people are paying to watch you play. Interesting. What a fabulous man we just lost.

RF4L


Fri Jun 10 2016 9:46 am EST

In The Rangers by Brian McFarlane, the author writes about how a young Gordie Howe was invited to Rangers training camp in Winnipeg when he was 15 years old. Howe was excited to join the Rangers but was intimidated by the veteran players who would mess with him and make jokes about him.... .https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/the-story-of-how-the-rangers-let-gordie-howe-get-away/183243300

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 9:26 am EST

Vic.........with all due respect to your opinion..........Hayes and Brassard and like apples and oranges. The reason why we shit all over Hayes is because he is supposed to be one of our young guns and part of our future ( not so with Brass). I consider myself a good judge of hockey talent and if Mr. Hayes amounts to anything in the NHL I will " eat my own shorts".

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jun 10 2016 9:05 am EST

I'd say my seething hatred for the Pens ranks third here behind tdchi and Tikkanen (who's been MIA for some time now), but I actually had a faint glimmer of hoping the Pens would pull out the win in regulation yesterday when they showed the masses of LOSER Penguin fans streaming for the exits down two goals in a Cup-clinching game with a minute to play. Because it's not like any team can ever score two goals in, say, 22 seconds, let alone with a full minute left. So, having now rooted for the Pens for a microsecond, I feel filthy all over. And 'Loser Penguin Fans' comes straight from the Department of Redundancy Dept.

LeoS


Fri Jun 10 2016 8:38 am EST

Rest in Peace Mr. Hockey. I will always be glad that I was able to see you play. Your grace following your career will never be forgotten, nor will your records and championships.

Bob


Fri Jun 10 2016 8:38 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger ..... Gordie Howe was great in so many ways...on and off the ice. He will be deeply missed, but also glad he is now at peace. #9

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 8:25 am EST

SN 1200 ‏@TSN1200 ..... BREAKING: Hockey legend Gordie Howe dies at age 88.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 8:16 am EST

Brassard is a weeknow pet big time.....they have neighbor history....and there were reasons his old team traded him.....

stevielegs


Fri Jun 10 2016 8:01 am EST

Ken Campbell ‏@THNKenCampbell ...... BREAKING NEWS: Unconfirmed report that Hall of Famer Gordie Howe died at 7:58 this morning in Ohio.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:54 am EST

Rhet: Makes sense to me....

RF4L


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:54 am EST

For me Brassard's biggest issue is between his ears and it boils down to a lack of passion. He just doesn't care enough IMO.

RF4L


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:51 am EST

RF4L..... In regard to Staal: My guess is that they haven't yet had 'the talk.' Using GM-ing 101: generally you gauge the interest around the League first and then you have the talk with the player. That way if the deal isn't there or worth your time, you haven't upset the apple cart for nothing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:48 am EST

By Rick Carpiniello on JUNE 10, 2016 Hockey, New York Rangers, NHL, Player evaluations, Rangers Report I have not been looking forward to writing this one at all for a few reasons. I’ve beaten up Derick Brassard a lot this past season. I like Brassard as a person — how could you not? — and think he’s a very good player, especially when he plays with passion, but one who could be a lot better, and I think a lot of fans are blind to the shortcomings in his game, or at least those he displayed this past season. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/10/rangers-player-evaluations-derick-brassard/#sthash.EK1lHbi5.bmdkAEZJ.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:28 am EST

the do you know the way to San Jose are playing without hertl. who are the pigpens playing without? .....scratches at the bottom...https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/sjs-vs-pit/2016/06/09/2015030415/recap/box-score#game=2015030415,game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=boxscore

stevielegs


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:27 am EST

Here is the thing that kills me with the level of analysis regarding HAYES on this Wall. Most of you have such a visceral reaction to seeing his big, dopey, lazy ass on the ice that you hate him. He sucks right? He is too cocky and doesn't produce enough right? But BRASSARD is a productive guy. He just put up another great season, right? But none of that survives any real statistical scrutiny. BRASSARD gets a ton of ice time playing with the Rangers best offensive players. He also is a staple on the Rangers' overpassing PP. HAYES got 4:22 less TOI per game and very little PP time in comparison to BRASSARD. And of course he was playing with much less talented players on his wings for most of the year. He got a few games at the end of the year with STAAL but that is another story. Both BRASSARD and HAYES are horrible defensively compared to a guy like STEPAN. BRASSARD is better on draws by a mile. But when you break down even strength performance HAYES is the better, more productive player. Even with the shit season he just had. Here are the numbers if you don't believe me. (http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201516&sit=5v5&type=individual&teamid=20&pos=forwards&minutes=500&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC). So I get the distaste for HAYES and I share a lot of the criticism of his game. I've said many times that he needs to spend this off season working on is conditioning, skating, quickness and tenacity if he wants to develop into an impact player in this league. But at his relative cost compared to BRASSARD. At his production level compared to BRASSARD. And at his age compared to BRASSARD I just don't get the love for BRASSARD (or at least general approval) and the hate for HAYES that we see here. But at the end of the day if the Rangers can move either to address the #1 Center issue I do it in a heartbeat even though they may come to regret dealing HAYES if he develops into the player he has the talent level to become.

Vic


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:24 am EST

Another thing about Fleury, If he says "hell no, I won't go" he get's his team back. The Pens will either be forced to trade Murray or lose him in the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:16 am EST

TD.... A couple of things: 1-Fleury has a NMC. He has a say in where he goes or if he even goes at all. If the expansion draft was this June instead of next June, Murray would be left unprotected for the draft. 2-Fleury generally implodes in the postseason. Do you really think teams will be lining up trade for him? At least those teams that he'd be willing to be traded to. I'm not so sure he's going to want to go to B.F. Nowhere.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 10 2016 7:02 am EST

TD: The Sharks came out of the West for a few reasons. First, they are built to win in the Western Conference. They are big and can play the physical game with anyone in the West. They also skate better then most Western Conference teams, especially the ones that they met on the way to the Finals. Another reason why they ended up being the team representing the West is that the team that should have (and probably would have) had their dynamic, superstar #1 Center go down with an injury. Even though they did have other guys step up and take the Blues to 7 games, the Stars just couldn't win that series without SEGUIN. He never played a game in that series. It would have been interesting to see a Stars vs Pens series.

Vic


Fri Jun 10 2016 6:21 am EST

On HAYES - I totally get and basically agree with the assessment of his game as 'maddening.' And frankly, the most maddening part for me is that he's in the center. He can't win a faceoff and isn't very good defensively...but man does the kid have a set of hands. Keep thinking if only he could put it altogether...if he could just use some of his ability to control the puck in a manner that it would help his teammates...he'd be a hell of a player...that said, I don't see a chance that he's back with the Rangers. I suspect he's high on their list of players they're offering around before the draft, because there's certainly a team that will take a chance on him...I mean, the Bruins managed to get Reilly SMITH for his brother, who isn't nearly as good. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers could move him for a 20-or-beyond first-rounder.

tdchi


Fri Jun 10 2016 6:16 am EST

andrei - I don't think it's 'if' the Pens trade FLEURY...I think he's gone. There's positively no reason to keep him with MURRAY backstopping. The Pens would have fallen many moons ago had they kept Fleury in net.

tdchi


Fri Jun 10 2016 6:10 am EST

Couple thoughts about last night's game, which was the first I actually watched all 60 minutes: I am amazed how a team like the Sharks got out of the Western Conference. I know JONES is a very good goaltender, but he's making a case for being elite right now. The rest of their squad? Hapless...THORNTON was a non-entity. MARLEAU was invisible...Their D...meh...They looked as hapless and at times, probably even more so than the Rangers did against the Penguins. If Jones didn't stand on his head, the series is over. And I agree with RF4L: They lived to die another day...though a growing part of me is keeping the flame of hope alive that they fulfill my ultimate dream...the one just below the Rangers winning the cup: A Pittsburgh choke. Man, would that be an awesome way to go into the off-season...funny(and sad) to hear PeNBC rave on about how disciplined CROSBY has been all game, only to have Skidney have a little classless hissy fit at the end of the game...back to how the F this series ended up transpiring...I will readily admit I vastly underestimated the Pens...but how on the earth are the Sharks the second best team in the NHL? I just don't get it...Could we be at the tipping point now, where the west simply isn't as good was the east?...Last night's game actually looked a lot like the Pens-Washington series...only reverse the roles...Pens playing the role of Washington throwing everything but the kitchen sink at San Jose...So we got about 10 minutes of interesting hockey and then 50 minutes of bleh...Great cup final, Buttman. Let's Go Sharks.

tdchi


Fri Jun 10 2016 5:56 am EST

HOSPO.............E...........on Hayes, please add me to your list and make it a big THREE. Thanks. No future in NY.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jun 10 2016 1:17 am EST

mf: pretty sure it was the glove hand...he had that funny blocker with a small pocket like thing on it. Couldn't rotate his arm to put the glove open side out if I recall.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 10 2016 12:07 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/10/ex-minor-leaguer-with-ties-to-rangers-od-pleads-guilty-to-possession-charges/

mf


Fri Jun 10 2016 12:05 am EST

andrei: regarding Blackburn. Do you recall whether his shoulder or neck injury (I think it was nerve damage in the shoulder) was his stick hand or glove hand?

mf


Thu Jun 9 2016 11:58 pm EST

RF4L, SJ is not out-woods yet. That's said, great to see that future hall a fame Matt Murray played a great game. Wouldn't be nice if Shitsburg trades Flury(sp) and Murray becomes a full time starter.. :-) Love it.... Reminds me non other then Dan(one hand) Blackburn. He also was good playing the puck, good down low, but had a week glove and once NHL scouts figure out... We all know the rest.

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 11:49 pm EST

RF4L, You know it... Lenin not too far behind either. Let's just say that entire 27 year history for Russia/USSR between 1917-1945 is very dark.. 8 million during Civil war (Lenin), between 2-4 million 1927-1938 (Stalin). Just staggering numbers... Got cared away with numbers here, History is one of my favorite subjects..

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 11:48 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/real-carcillo-effect-dying-slow-death/

mf


Thu Jun 9 2016 10:50 pm EST

I swear this guy Fortunato is a goddamn retard. Wait. Scratch that. I don't want to insult retards.

tdchi


Thu Jun 9 2016 10:42 pm EST

The problem with Vigneault is that he A) doesn't know how to adjust his system (even minor adjustments) when teams figure out how to stop it, and B) he doesn't know when a player no longer works in the system. "B" is the biggest problem there, because while his system is a high-flying offensive machine at its best, it is a plodding, grinding disaster at its worst. Pittsburgh did two things (TWO!) to shut down the Rangers offense. They choked the lanes for long stretch passes and they matched up their best players against the Rangers "top defensive pairing" and bottom line . Rinse, lather, repeat.................. http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/6/9/11884824/why-keith-yandle-needs-to-be-a-priority

mf


Thu Jun 9 2016 10:12 pm EST

SJ lives to die another day. At least those fair weather fans don't get to see their team win at home. Tonight.

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 10:10 pm EST

Andrei: Your thoughts on Stalin surely along the same line...at best....yes?

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 10:02 pm EST

Pigpens lose skidmark continues his punk bs sore loser pos routine ....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:44 pm EST

mf, it's alright. Everyone who is or was from USSR had loses in his family. Simple number. Before WW2 Population of the USSR was around 150 mil. Russians lost over 30 mil between soldiers and civilians, making losses 1 in 5. Another-wards, every 5th Russian was killed during WW2.

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 6:52 pm EST

I also do not have much interest in Douchein as long as Stepan and Brass are planted there. Sell off one of them and that changes the paradigm. But I still think the New York Rangers intend to make a big push on Stamkos if they can shed salary. It's everything they want. A bonafide superstar, marquee center. With outlandish goal scoring ability, the most wicked one-timer I've seen in a long time and oh the glorious marketing of it all. I know it's coming. Hopefully, they go another way and find a more friendly contract. But if there is a way to get that guy to come in under 9-on the cap hit? It's too juicy for them to not drool all over the guy. My greatest fear. Out of cap hell, dump off some dead weight, back into cap hell with less mobility. But mark it. As I'm almost never right because I have no imaginary inside access I feel this coming. If they can blow picks and pieces left and right on guys like E. Staal and the rest of the great cavalcade of saviors they surely could clear the cap for this. As stupid as it may or may not be. Ding dong!!! "Who is it," Steve casually dropped thinking it was his landscaper looking for the check. But the voice was different. Deeper. More focused. The voice cracked, "Jimmy the stargazer Dolan." "What do you want???? A puzzled Steve asked. "I wanna show you what $14-million looks like. Can you come outside?" A curious Steven responded, "hang on and let me grab my shoes." When he walked outside there is a brand new Bugatti Veyron on the driveway with a check and a contract. Fast forward. 5-years from now. With no starting goaltender the New York Rangers missed their second playoffs in a row after completing another 65-point campaign. Stamkos now healing from his 3rd ankle tear in as many seasons finished playing 31-games and 11-goals as he was booed off the MSG ice in a stretcher. And someone spray painted a big vagina on the side of his Bugatti shortly after his wife left him for MSG's beautiful young PR Director Anaïs. She filed for half and Steve was last seen sitting in the last row of a Journey concert at Mohegan Sun alone. And that's just how it goes.

E


Thu Jun 9 2016 6:42 pm EST

Evets: Iginla isn't a strong enough leader to bring Duchene along? If that's the case....who in the world could the Rangers get?

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 6:39 pm EST

E - That's the thing. This isn't 3 years ago..This isn't two years ago...The team lacked leadership on and off the ice last year....The coach offers littel, always has. Leaves it up to the players.....They had their three year run (with out winning)...the whole thing could just be stale..or these players just assume they will get better becasue they did in the past...but no way last year...Maybe too famialar or fond of each other to take each other to task,,,.They need a new voice...They need new blood..and since the coach is staying, it has to come for players..Somebody needs to hold both the VETS and KIDS accountable for their inconsistencies, for their lack of team play....Nobody did that last year..and with the same voices, why should it change?

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 6:25 pm EST

HOSPO: I gotta take issue with the whole "leadership" thangee. This team has been pretty deep and played a metric flux ton of post season hockey for a long while already. A real NHL powerhouse. I mean I see no one questioning Backes leadership of The Blues. And they've been arguably more talented and deeper then the New York Rangers. Maybe they do need a fire it up guy at this point. I wouldn't deny it but they do know how to win hockey games. I mean once upon a time when they took a lead going into the third it was over. And it wasn't all Lundqvist. There was a ton of shot suppression etc... So, I do question the leadership of the team as of late. But that's because players like G, and Staal aren't gonna carry them when it all goes bad. And I could be off-base but it was obvious in press access and other means that big B. Boyle had a big influence in that locker room and on the bench. And as I watched the TB series it's also obvious to me that he is in a very similar role there. So, maybe took some of the locker room presence with him. McD seems to just handle the media differently. He just has a non-emotional front. But you can see how sometimes he's just turning green. I'm not sure how it translates in the locker room. But I do know real leaders know how to right their ship when times are tough. So, is it gonna be righted? No idea. I don't think a New York Rangers Captain has faced this kind of adversity since the lockout ended.

E


Thu Jun 9 2016 6:06 pm EST

td... I would also jump at the chance to bring in Duchene. 25 years old, scored 30 goals last year and has 3 more years on his contract at 6mil per. However, if you can somehow make a deal for Duchene, I think you have to bring in a forward who has a resume of strong leadership. To potentially keep him in check. I think that was one of his problems in Colorado... mostly a young team and no one to put him in his place. I wonder what it would take to get both Duchene and Barrie out of Colorado. I would think Kreider, Staal, maybe Hayes and another piece. Beyond that, if they can make a deal like that, I'd like to see the Rangers attempt to move Nash and one of Stepan/Brassard and sign Andrew Ladd and Jamie McGinn. McGinn would slot in nicely as the third line center and Ladd would bring vocal leadership, championship experience and 50-60 points per season to the team. I'm not sure how the dollars and cents would work out, but it would be a good way for the Rangers to retool and reset. So... FANTASY TRADE TIME... Kreider, Hayes, Staal, Ryan Graves + to Colorado for Duchene & Barrie. Nash to Nashville for prospect Kevin Fiala and a first rounder. Stepan to Minni for Brodin, a first rounder and a prospect. SIGN Ladd, McGinn, Vesey if possible... go into next year with: Ladd-Duchene-Miller; Buchnevich-Brassard-Zuccarello, Fiala-McGinn-Vesey/Jensen; Stalberg-Lindberg (injured to start the year)-Fast. McDonagh-Klein; Brodin-McIlrath; Skjei-Girardi. Ok... this version of my offseason fantasy is complete...

evets1980


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:40 pm EST

HAYES: I dont hate him, and I think he will have a good impact at the NHL level...not a all star type impact likely, but an impact. If I was to make a decision of a young player to move, he would be near the top of the list, if not at top of the list, so if he is moved I will not be too upset. Well, depending on what comes back in return. I mean he "only" cost money so any return is a profitable one, but he should garner a very good return on his own. He may be the best higher end piece to use to get a good top C and to get the ball rolling on a few other moves, or he could be the player that goes to get a Barrie type player.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:33 pm EST

Miller said, I think it was an interview on TV, and than written the next day, that he liked playing center his entire career, but at the NHL level he was more comfortable on wing and that playing C at the NHL level was totally different due to the speed and skill of the other player. I don't care how long a guy has been around, if a player says "I'm more comfortable at RW, or on the left D side, or whatever you don't force them into another spot unless you absolutely must. Sports is a lot mental, and if they are not feeling good they will play tight, and that will lead to lesser play. Miller on Wing means you can move another W as part of a deal to get a C. It gives you depth in another position and flexibility to do something about the C position. If you try to force him to C and he fails there early in the season your screwed, its much easier to get a C heading into the draft than a month into the regular season. I mean seems most are high on Duchene, and he is being shopped, so go get him and let Miller play a position he feels better at.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:32 pm EST

Andrei: my sincerest condolences.

mf


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:04 pm EST

HOSPO: It's a point of agreement. The only person that hates Hayes more than me is you. I cannot stand the guy. His game style I find maddening. I covet fast, hard nosed, physical hockey players. He is soft, weak nosed, and skates like a lumberjack.

E


Thu Jun 9 2016 4:27 pm EST

RF4L - I'm not saying Yay or Nay on Duchense....but team chemistry and attitude has to be a keythis off-season along with scoring..Last year there was no on-ice leadership, little chemisty up front, alot of individual play......You bring in DUCHENSE and add him to the current leaderless inconsistent group up front and including players like Hayes, it could be a disaster..Or it could be an improvement depending who else is moved out and who else is brought int.....The moves this summer should be TEAM ORIENTED.and well thought out..and not just, oh, let's get this scorer..let's get that shooter....GORTON has his hands full

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 4:16 pm EST

Count me in as being on the 'get Duchense bus'. Immediately becomes the Rangers top center. Thirty goals last year which means if he was on the Rangers he's their top goal scorer. Yes please!

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:58 pm EST

TDCHI - My thoughts exactly on MILLER and the center position........E - I wasn't comparing Stalberg and Hayes as players...Just that early last year I HATED both players....Stalberg changed my mind with his play and effort...I hope Hayes does the same if we keep him...Not holding my breath on it though..

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:53 pm EST

Hospo/Wild - Not sure where MILLER said he likes wing better, but this is literally the only stop in his career where he's played wing. He played center his whole career in Hartford and in juniors. Kid is good at faceoffs and was plenty responsible defensively in Hartford. I think there's been a speed adjustment for him in the NHL that has taken a lot longer than anyone expected, which is why I think he got punted to wing. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Rangers ended up moving one of their top centers and slid him back into the middle. Of course, it also wouldn't surprise me if they leave him at wing.

tdchi


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:52 pm EST

I like Stalberg. He's big, physical, and can skate. Hayes is big, passive, makes Stepan look like Sergei Federov on skates.

E


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:49 pm EST

Tell you what: Sometime the best time to grab a player is when he's billed a malcontent and a disruption...DUCHENE has a BOATLOAD of talent. He may be a smug, egotistical little shit, but man does he have talent. And if not putting heart into his game or listening to coaches has got him as far as he'd gotten this far, I tell you what: I'd take a chance on him...Not saying this is a great analogy, but take SEGUIN for instance. The Bruins cut and run on him in a hurry. Why? Because he showed zero signs of maturing. He was a mess off the ice and was reportedly doing things that...well...let's say...weren't exactly the activities most teams look for in a player. He goes to the Stars franchise and boom. He's a goddamn superstar now. And what did he cost? Reilly Smith, Joe Morrow, and Loui Eriksson. If the Rangers could grab him at a discount, I'd gladly take a risk on him. No idea what the Avs would want...hell, maybe they could move Nash, STAAL and HAYES for him and BARRIE...Do that and you'd free up several mill in cap space and significantly upgrade the lineup.

tdchi


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:33 pm EST

Haspo, i do think that Miller is better off on the wing. As a winger he is top 6, as a center, he is a 4th liner. That's just me...

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:31 pm EST

E - leave the kid alone, he's trying! :)..Hell, I don't even have to see his game, all i need to see is his goofy face and I want to puke....But hey, if Victor Stalberg could turn me around so can Lazy Hayes..

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:27 pm EST

WILD - Honestly, fuck what MILLER likes or wants..He's old and experienced enough now to do what is best for the team not for him personally...Look, I'm not saying he needs to be moved back to C, just that is should be considered for the TEAM..And that's half the problem of last year, they rarely played as a team and the chemistry of the lines sucked for the most part and the TEAM defense was in shambles..So, excuse me if I don't care what players like Miller or Hayes WANT

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:10 pm EST

Hayes is nauseating on the defensive draw. But I'm biased. I truly hate that guys game.

E


Thu Jun 9 2016 3:02 pm EST

as for his face-off %, well he took the 90th most face-offs. Step took 364 more face-offs....would Duchesses % be as good with 300+ more face-offs? likely it would still be good....but he didn't take the big important face-offs much.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:55 pm EST

Hospo: Issue is, MILLER says he likes wing better. Forcing him to play C would not be good. PERHAPS with experience he will find a comfort level to play there, but putting that on him might set him back.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:54 pm EST

Bob: Perhaps....but he is part of the reason the AVS are not winning. The best season they had was his best season, and he could not replicate it....he hasn't even come close. This is a kid who thinks he is special, in fact he kind of blows off things told to him by some of the coaches down the line of coaching. He has made comments basically along the lines of "what do you know, I play in the NHL you never did" There is a reason Roy is not the first coach to sit the guy and not use him in important roles at times. I think there would be better options than him. I don't want that kind of mindset infecting the locker room.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:46 pm EST

andrei- Brass improved last year...actuually so did Stepan a little, but he still sucked..And HAYES was god awful...takes too much effort....With MOORE likely gone, it has to be addressed somewhere....Still think MILLER can be good at C if they choose to play him there..

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:44 pm EST

WILD--not saying the guys is perfect, but I watch a lot of Avs games. 15 years ago today I was there for the Game 7 win and for 8 seasons before that. The team is a mess. No structure, no defense, etc. I turn on games and see a tam with Landeskog, MacKinnon and Duchene is playing with Blake Comeau, So Roy clearly does not like him. I just don't think it is all on this kid, and Roy has used him as a scapegoat for their failure.

Bob


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:42 pm EST

Faceoff stat for the 2015-2016 season. Rangers: Moore 17th, Brassard 54th, Stepan 84. No one else on in the top 100.

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:38 pm EST

RF NASCAR is huge in NC and believe it or not still a lot of redskin fans that was redskins territory for years before the panthers arrived and finally NC is a college sports state they love their BBall and football down there. Honestly the canes fall behind all of that. Try getting tickets to a Duke or ncstate BBall game the lines are sick you can't go up game night get a ticket you can any time the canes play that tells you something.

York18


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:38 pm EST

Wildcard, i hear you on Dushene. That being said, playing on the team with good coaching and winning cures a lot of issues. He is a pure number one center, and that we all can agree on. I will take him in the heart-bid, over Stepan. BTW, he makes less then Stepan does, and guess what, he is 3rd in NHL in faceoff %. What a concept, a center, who can fin important face-off.

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:34 pm EST

RF xheckettes didn't just instruct Smith to sign those guys when Smith refused xheckettes went out and signed them himself signing Fleury Kandinsky Keane and one other guy I had a long convo with Smith at a rink one night after he was gone from the rangers and he told me that the mistake was made when they thought they could buy heart and loyalty. He said those guys would have never come if he had his way.

York18


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:30 pm EST

RF4L, Little Napoleon is fine. :-) Thank you.

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:28 pm EST

Bob: Here is an issue with Duchene. From someone from within the AVS, while the team was still in the hunt for the last playoff spot, Duchene was anticipating playing in the worlds.....I mean, he had written off the NHL before the season was done. He is not some young kid just breaking into the NHL, he has 7 years under his belt and has never been better than he is now, multiple coaches and GMs. This int something that will simply be fixed by a new person behind the bench. He is not focused on being a good pro, he is focused on, well I don't know. A first line center works hard in all 3 zones, Duchense sometimes forgets there are 3, he sees 2, the offensive zone and the one you use to wait until you can go into the offensive zone.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 2:00 pm EST

Hospo....."Look, let's get 'em all -- let's get 'em all now, while we got the muscle."..."They went home and sat in a hot bath and opened their veins, and bled to death. Sometimes they gave a little party before they did it."....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:47 pm EST

Hospo: Well I know they drew well in their cup year (and after that). They've really been lousy for most of their existence, haven't they. IMO, Jimmy Rutherford made a mess of that franchise but given what he's done in Pittsburgh I know wonder if those troubles were more to do with a meddlesome owner than incompetent GMing. I know Karmos (or whatever his name is) and Rutherford were/are tight and I strongly believe ownership interference happens far more frequently than we might realize. It's happened in Ottawa for sure. And Calgary. It happened in Toronto when JFJ jr was the GM. I know Vancouver's suffered from it, too. Hell, didn't Dave Checketts instruct Neil Smith to go out and sign all those high priced mercenaries in the late 90s?

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:38 pm EST

RF4L - It's a decent market, but college crazy until recently.....Fully behind the Panhers now and, once the Hurricanes start winning again and have a FACE/STAR, I think they will draw...Lot of people are moving/retiring to NC..

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:32 pm EST

Andrei: I lost a grandfather in the war. Not as bad as you. But that's how Buttman carries himself. I will respect your wishes however. Maybe Napolean Buttman works?!

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:31 pm EST

Hospo....yeah the Panthers. Forgot about them. That's it tho for pro sport franchises (besides hockey). Not a huge market I assume...

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:23 pm EST

I'm going to ask only once... Please stop using Adolf Hitler name in any reference. Period. My family was decimated by Nazis during WWII. My both grandfathers lost all of the siblings during the war. My home town was destroyed by Nazis. To me, this is not a joke.... Thank you.

andrei


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:21 pm EST

RF4L - Loke York18 said..you have NASCAR which is huge..,,you have the CAROLINA PANTHERs of the NFL...and then you UNC, NC State, Duke and Wake for college BB and College FB..College sports are huge..

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:16 pm EST

What pro sports teams are in and around Raleigh besides the Canes? From what my memory tells me, none.

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 1:08 pm EST

I was there when the canes first arrived it tool awhile before they caught on. I remember going to see the rangers there year one and rangers fans out numbered canes fans 3/1 maybe more. They started winning fans came out once they lost fans stopped coming. This is a college basketball NASCAR football state unless they are winning they will always struggle

York18


Thu Jun 9 2016 12:42 pm EST

TDCHI - By the way, thanks for your response on the AHL attendance, I had forgotten about the whole western migration thing....

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 12:37 pm EST

I hope the Canes stay.They are on the upswing from a rebuild/remodel with a good number of young players and a very good oaoch if last year's improvement and team play is any indication

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 12:12 pm EST

Adolf Buttman kept the Yotes in Phoenix - it'll take an allied army to prevent him from blocking any Hurricane relocate.

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 11:54 am EST

One of the biggest issues facing the Hurricanes over the past few seasons has been a declining attendance. Since the 2012-13 lockout-shortened season, Carolina has gone from an average attendance of 17,558 to a league-worst 12,203. The precipitous drop has been paired with the Hurricanes’ on-ice struggles. However, Bettman told Alexander he believed in the way Hurricanes GM Ron Francis was building the team and suggested attendance tends to dip during rebuilding periods like the one Carolina is undergoing right now....................http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/bettman-squashes-completely-unfounded-hurricanes-relocation-rumors/

mf


Thu Jun 9 2016 10:35 am EST

Barrie's a RHS

mf


Thu Jun 9 2016 9:49 am EST

STEVIE - best thing on the Wall by far this morning with the Frankie Five Angels bit! We all take our OPINIONS way too seriously at times...

Hospo


Thu Jun 9 2016 9:23 am EST

I'd rather the Rangers had BARRIE then YANDLE.....and I'd bet AV feels the same way. Wouldn't surprise me if BARRIE ends up a Ranger.

Vic


Thu Jun 9 2016 8:13 am EST

Rhet: Does Staal even have a list?

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:36 am EST

MF... i could not resist :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:35 am EST

WILD... It's a pretty weak rumor, but it goes that the Av's and Stars are under the assumption that the NYR will eat 20-30% in salary. If you look at the Stars closely , 2 of their top 5 best prospects who are D would also need to be protected(Johns and Honka). They have at least 4 defensemen that need protecting with only 3 spots available.. Staal would be great veteran to have with all of their young D. the Avs also appear to be in a similar situation. 3 defensive spots is not a lot, unless they're planning pn moving Barrie for Staal(nutty)? Would the Av's even be on Staal's list?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:26 am EST

Bob: Good review of the Aves. I concur they have an albatross of a coach and he's so revered in Colorado it's difficult to fire him. Sakic should be worried however, that he'll be canned along with Roy if there isn't a turn around...

RF4L


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:16 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/matt-duchene

stevielegs


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:11 am EST

Wild - Let me put it another way: You know how the Rangers are always trying to match certain defenders up against CROSBY and OVECHKIN? No coach does that against Nash. Sure, you don't want your third line and third pairing out there against him...but that goes without saying with ANY top line player. Nash has some good things going for him. He's got size, with which he can protect the puck, he's got very soft hands that he can use to maneuver in tight and he's got a great first step...But...he's a floater. And actually, a lot of his game, IMO, relies on getting lost in the shuffle...so exactly the opposite of what that pimple-nosed geek at BB is saying...If Nash drew as much attention as the guy claims he does, the Rangers would be a dominant force...because if you give guys like ZUCC and BRASSARD space, they're going to score...a lot...The guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about...as for DUCHENE...I guess I'd say a malcontent in one organization is another's hero. I think he's run his course in Colorado and it's clear he and ROY don't see eye to eye...I also thing there's a little WYSIWYG with him...he's not going to be a superstar...but I could see him being a regular first-line center...I'd take his youth and smaller contract over what Nash brings any day. Duchene, at the very least, has been consistent.

tdchi


Thu Jun 9 2016 7:03 am EST

I would welcome Matt Duchene to NY. He would instantly be the #1 center they have lacked since Messier's game went south. Something is off in CO, and it goes deeper than one player. Their captain is not a leader and their back line is atrocious. Their coach continues to live off his reputation as a player but has not proven to be an NHL caliber coach. IMO, the problem in CO in addition to these is that it is all about Patrick and not about his players or the organ-EYE-zation. His buddy Dakic is loathe to fire him so they are stuck as they are, a no-possession, run and gun defensively challenged squad that depends in Varlamov ( and Anderson before him) to be otherworldly or they lose. They could use both Staal and Girardi there. Both would be upgrades. But their real need is a real NHL coach.

Bob


Thu Jun 9 2016 6:33 am EST

http://www.sportsbreak.com/nhl/8-teams-steven-stamkos-should-leave-tampa-for/9/

stevielegs


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:51 am EST

if there is one guy who cost the nyr the cup , it's the coach, not nash, hank, et al......that's my story and i'm sticking to it....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:48 am EST

"So, so I made up a lot of stuff about Rick Nash 'cause that's what they wanted. But it was all lies. Uh, everything. And I kept saying Rick Nash did this and Rick Nash did that. So, I said yeah sure -- why not?"

stevielegs


Thu Jun 9 2016 5:10 am EST

Nash okay let's stop this myth of double teaming him that does not happen the only time you see two guys against one is a defensive break down or a player is breaking in all by himself. You do not get double coverage in today's NHL this is not football and anyone saying that Nash regularly draws coverage is not watching the game or are full of it. Produce footage of him being double covered even 1/3 the time not happening because that would leave one guy skating free and clear and that is called a break down so stop with this bs two on one Nash faves top guys mist shifts yes not every shift but in today's NHL everyone is defensively responsible for the most part. That is why you see top lines against tip lines and not a checking line any more.

York18


Thu Jun 9 2016 4:26 am EST

Oh...and I want nothing to do with Duchene ....poor attitude will bring the entire team down....

Wildcard


Thu Jun 9 2016 4:25 am EST

td: really? I mean how often did you see Nash out against the 3rd pair d of another team...or out against the worst defensive forwards from the other team?

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 11:27 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/6/8/11882656/the-rangers-first-move-will-say-a-lot-about-their-direction

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 11:19 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-mcdavid-talks-auston-matthews-calder-trophy-race/c-280912666

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 11:16 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-mentally-prepared-for-potential-stanley-cup-clincher/c-280915906

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 9:53 pm EST

Wild - the guy from BB tried to argue that very same thing...but if you watch the Rangers with any frequency, that simply isn't reality. Sure, other teams are mindful of NASH...but I can't even say that teams match up their top defenders with him, much less double team him. In fact, the only time I see him drawing a hell of a lot of attention is when he has the puck and is hammering into the zone...usually by himself...no doubt, Nash is a good player...but I can't say he opens up any more space than any of his linemates or the rest of the Rangers' top 6...I mean, ZUCC is a guy who opens up space...KRIEDER too with his speed...NASH occasionally does the same, and that's when he's most effective. But teams don't change their game plan just because he's on the ice...if the Avalanche want him for DUCHENE straight up, I'll drive Nash to Colorado myself.

tdchi


Wed Jun 8 2016 9:47 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-bruins-looking-to-improve-defense-through-trades/

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 8:59 pm EST

Can we get Roussel or Sharp for STAAL??

Higgy21


Wed Jun 8 2016 8:55 pm EST

WILDCARD:. The Stars being interested in STAAL makes sense as they are set on the right side from what I understand.

Vic


Wed Jun 8 2016 8:44 pm EST

So there is a rumor that both the AVS and Stars are interested in Staal with the Rangers retaining 20-30% or 1-1.5 mil of his cap hit. The source is via Twitter and have no idea what their sources are...but I figure I would drop that on here.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 8:26 pm EST

Rhet: That was a quadra-bajilion times and many years ago...... I no longer want Vanek, nor do I want Spezza either...... If we had to take Vanek as part of a deal that was good for us, and then we had a spot to flip him to, sure, so long as he doesn't land here.....

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 8:16 pm EST

TD:. On trading NASH, I understand what you are saying and agree that just unloading NASH for basically nothing assuming someone would take him at his full salary would give the Rangers Cap flexibility to make other moves. And maybe GORTHER goes that route but I have a hard time believing he will do something like that. Also, does that significantly improve the team? They would be subtracting a top 6 player to add one.

Vic


Wed Jun 8 2016 6:59 pm EST

Wild I'm racking my brains to connect the concept of Rick Nash and putting the team on his back in the 3rd and scoring a hat trick. Did this happen on Xbox One or the PS4? ;).

LeoS


Wed Jun 8 2016 6:58 pm EST

....or it could be they ignore him a bit from the get go and he scored early in the first, or takes over the second, or the second half of the first....the exact timing wasn't my point...just the action of Nash suddenly being hot.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 6:57 pm EST

York: it was more a figure of speech....making a point that Nash can suddenly turn in on and be the reason his team wins. I can remember a few multi goal periods....unfortunately they tend to have been in games that ended up blow outs....now was it because he was playing so well or was it going that way anyway? But the point i was making was that a team can't just ignore him because he is in a slump...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 6:25 pm EST

Wild really in the third period Nash can put the team on his back and score a hat trick? I challenge you to find me how many times Nash had multiple goal third periods in games where the rangers were losing. I'm betting you find very few.

York18


Wed Jun 8 2016 6:23 pm EST

MF... There used to be a poster here who had a bajillion and one trade scenarios to figure out a way that we could get Vanek on our team. This went on for months. Do you remember that guy's name? I... Mostly Forget what his name was. :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 8 2016 6:19 pm EST

WILD... Being able to trade Staal is dicy at best. 1.... We first have to get him to waive his NMC. That will take having the conversation with hm where we tell him that he no longer has a future with the team. For a guy that's given his blood, sweat and vision to the team, that's a conversation I'm glad I don't have to have ....2.... Chances are we only get a max list of 12 teams. Of those teams, you would have to think that most of them would be mostly top tier teams. Most of those teams only have little to no room to protect him (I've looked). They have to worry about protecting their own guys/prospects. That greatly reduces the chances of us trading him to any of the teams that are on his list ... 3.... IMO, our best chances of moving him are if Torts wants him (providing Staal wants to play for him of course). ...or... If Eric goes somewhere that wasn't on his list prior to and he then wants to go there to join his brother(that option would be after the Expansion Draft and doesn't do a lot for us) ...4... Florida intrigues me. They have a need to hit the cap floor and will have a bunch of expiring contracts and really could use a guy like Staal or Girardi to anchor their blue line. We need to keep our eye on what goes on there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:48 pm EST

td: add to this about Nash, on or not, other teams need to account for him when he is on the ice, because he can be off...off...off for weeks and than in the 3rd period put the team on his back, and score a hat trick. So while he plays he goes other players/lines a bit more freedom from higher end D pressure. Its a residual effect that many people tend to overlook. If he is moved he needs to be replaced with another offensive threat. I am afraid Duchene will be that guy, I really don't want him on the team...If Igninla being with the AVS couldn't get him into proper mental shape, I don't see how the Rangers have anyone to do that.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:27 pm EST

Vanek is a pylon. HOSPO: Dumba is your guy. Trust me, he'd be fan favorite after 3-games.

E


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:17 pm EST

Rumor is MinnySoda wants Vanek gone.. I want no part of him unless the NYR have a team to immediately flip him to.

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:09 pm EST

E - I mentipned a few weeks ago about MINNESOTA being a good for the Rangers with Step and ? for guys like Dumaba or Brodin and Coyle or Houla..

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:08 pm EST

After a re-review, I think the Oilers need a LHS Dman upgrade more than they do on the Right side... If there's any way yo get their 4th overall pick in a trade that includes M Staal, the Rangers should put in the effort..... Also, let's face it, Girardi & or Staal aren't going to any destination they don't want to go to.... Not an easy situation by any means

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:06 pm EST

Re: NASH – First of all, I dispute that he’s this great two-way player. He’s got the SKILL to be a great two-way player…and certainly when Rick Nash is on, he’s on. But the problem with Nash has always been and continues to be that when he’s off…he’s off with a capital O-F-F. I tell you what: I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve watch a puck tickle the twine behind Hank only to see Rick Nash lazing back into the defensive zone or failing to pick up his man. He does it ALL THE TIME. And it’s not like last year was the first year he’s done it either. I’ll say this about his style –he feigns interest very well. He looks like he’s engaged all the time…but it’s when the puck hits the back of the net you realize how slow he was back-checking or simply forgetting to pick up his man…and you know what? That’s FINE if you’re a sniper; if you’re scoring 30-plus goals a game. You’re making up for it! And that’s what KESSEL is so good about doing. The guy might suck donkey dick in his own zone, but when he gets the puck? Boom. Back of the net. We haven’t gotten that with ANY degree of consistency from Nash…THAT right there is the crux of the problem with the guy. A sniper scores big goals. Rick Nash scores when the team is up 3-1 or 4-1…basically when there’s no pressure…Now I think what Vic says is 115 percent TRUE…if the Rangers deal Rick Nash…even lazing-into-the-d-zone-streaky-scorer-who-disappears-when-the-going-gets-tough Rick Nash, they’re going to be worse for the wear. Even with my now four-year long distaste for the guy and that trade, I can readily admit this…When he’s on, he’s on. Even if those ‘ons’ happen to be in games the Rangers have already won…and that’s important. But that’s assuming we’re looking at what we’re getting back for Nash, not what the team will ultimately look like…if you trade Rick Nash to sign Steven STAMKOS…well guess what? I’d say the Rangers are a MUCH better team. Even if it were RADULOV instead of Nash I’d say we’re better…Rick Nash certainly is more valuable as a player…but that’s if you don’t consider the moves you could make WITHOUT him on the roster.

tdchi


Wed Jun 8 2016 4:05 pm EST

Stepan and Nash to Minnesota for Dumba and Neidereiter. There I said it. And no thats not a rumor. Nor is it based on anything. Nor does it make any sense. Its just I love Dumba's game and wish NYR could see him. Something happens every time he is on the ice. He has so much offensive ability and he creates tons of mayhem. Awesome wheels. Smaller guy (looks about 175-180 to me) but he hits like a freight train. The guy is straight entertainment.

E


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:54 pm EST

RHET - There's alot of times of the year that suck around here, depends on personal taste....Let's not be foolish, of course one of Brass or Step gets traded only if a legitmate center is brought to the Rangers via trade...if they don't, we'll just lose another year with them...

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:51 pm EST

WILD - Hey, to each their own....I am not talking that AV doesn't persoanlly like Mcilrath but that he doesn't value what Mcilrath brings to the ice as other type of D-men might...and with MCD, Staal, Klein, SKeji, Girardi and at least one new D-man via FA or trade....Mcilrath MIGHT only be a spare part that has more value as a trade chip....All about asset management for the current team

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:38 pm EST

Rhet: Teams would jump at Staal. I mean, again, the Oilers, AVS, and others need D, they need D in a bad bad way. Staal would be a top 2 guy in Colorado...I mean hell Holden is a top 3-4 guy out here, and they are willing to move Barrie as an RFA in order to get a more solid Dman.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:32 pm EST

Hospo: I don't buy the AV dislike of MacIlrath...people said the same stuff about Miller and AV....its just baseless at this point. Also Giradi would have a rather large market. Teams will need to find the cap floor for one, and others just want a guy to help lead their D. Not so much on the ice in the way of being a number 1 guy, but with experience and the like. The Oilers and the AVS are two teams that come tom mind that need serious change over on D. He wont garner a massive return after last year, but D usually go for a lot more than most would think they would.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:29 pm EST

Good golly jumpin' Jehoshaphat, I hate this time of the year. The whole 'would we be better off if we hadn't made this trade or that' time of year.... Hospo... If you're dealing Stepan or Brass, who's going to play center? Hayes? Miller? If we want to continue to compete and don't sign Stamkos, I just don't know how. I would love to think we could move both Staal and Girardi but I'm very skeptical. If Girardi does not have to be protected and we can't move Staal, then I could see MCI getting traded instead of losing him for nothing. We just need Torts to bite on either Staal or G-man. I think it's very likely that Girardi is taken in the Expansion Draft. Teams do need to hit the cap floor :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:29 pm EST

Hospo: Yeha if another center comes back I would say Step goes. He is very good in all 3 zones, but I think they will chance losing some of that to get a different look. I would think that they would look for a bigger guy who has some more gritty style of play.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:28 pm EST

MF - Actually, I don't think there will be a market for GIRARDI after last year....He will come back, hopefully healthym and play 2nd-3rd pair Dman for the Rangers, possibly meaving Mcilrath as an odd man out ( we will sign or trade for at least one offensvie D-man) and very tradeable,..And he likey will be in demand if he's avaialble....If the coach wasn't AV, Mcilrath might be safe..We'll see..

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:25 pm EST

WILD - I wouldn't trade MILLER or KREIDER either but you have to keep in mind that a GM often gets/deals players for his coach....Depends on what AV wants......I don't think HAYES gets traded becasue his value is at rock bottom.....But I do think without a doubt that one of Stepan or Brass goes (likely Step).....with a bigger/different center coming back in this or another trade

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:20 pm EST

York: I have been looking for it, it was just after the season ended...I remember it was from someplace legit...not a Blueshirt banter type hack....but I am having difficulty...I will keep trying to find it and post it if I do.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:12 pm EST

Wild please post this link to Nash and his shot selection I'd really live to see it and I hope it's from a legit place. I don't want a picture drawn with crayons on paper and a smiley face Nash with his hands in the air.

York18


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:05 pm EST

Yo Peterpodomus, your hurricane Jolla is all over the map...I'll agree that Hayes may be gone, but he's still cap friendlier than Brassard... McIlrath vs Girardi, Girardi is a goner for the same $$ reason plus a) his age & wear & tear c) we should get some picks or prospects for him instead of him being claimed via expansion for nadda d) we'll buy him out... If we bring in some talented wings it just may open up some ice for Nash to have a good year....

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 3:05 pm EST

Yo Peterpodomus, your hurricane Jolla is all over the map...I'll agree that Hayes may be gone, but he's still cap friendlier than Brassard... McIlrath vs Girardi, Girardi is a goner for the same $$ reason plus a) his age & wear & tear c) we should get some picks or prospects for him instead of him being claimed via expansion for nadda d) we'll buy him out... If we bring in some talented wings it just may open up some ice for Nash to have a good year....

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:59 pm EST

Hospo: I don't see Miller going anyplace, and with Kreider speaking russian and still with all that potential, if one of those 3 goes I think it will be Hayes....not that that is a good thing, but I think most likely. I also think Girardi or Staal will end up going, well if there is going to be expansion. I don't see Step or Brass going unless there is a replacement coming back. I don't think they weaken the center position much if at all.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:20 pm EST

Hospodamus's crystal ball says one Step/brass is gone come August, ......one of Kreider/Hayes/Miller is dealt in a package.... one of girardo/Mcilrath is dealt......And then there's NASH......So, yeah, I think there will be major changes

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:16 pm EST

E - But the moves to be cap friendly have to be with bigger players/salaries that AV depended on, so they really are going to be major moves.....But, in all honesty, the impact won't be felt util AV is gone!

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:15 pm EST

E: Agreed. I don't see panic from the Rangers in the rumors as of yet, and I don't expect to. They know they need to make some changes, and I am sure there is a player or two that they may feel that while good may not fit quite right and will be looking to move them for a better fit. But I don't think they will try to blow up the team at all.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:13 pm EST

One thing that can not be overlooked. The Rangers have 3 young net minders that could all be starters some day. It is of course still a crap shoot with goalies at a young age. But depending on what their internal scouting says there is a chance they could move a young G in a deal to get picks or other types of prospects of need or to a team that is looking for depth in their system at the position for a roster player (with another piece as well of course). It should be an interesting couple of weeks leading up to the draft....a lot of teams are looking to shake things up, and that means GMs are looking to deal.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:12 pm EST

WILD/MF - I don't think NASH avoid's the dirty areas at all anymore...I think he was very cognizant of that criticism from his earleir play and now may even go overboard in going to the net rather then to open spaces.....or, to put another way, he tries more to be two-way physical player then he tries to be a scorer....Maybe he needs to revert and let the other guys do the dirty work? or maybe that's just garbage ..just trying to find a reason to explain how he has forgot how to score!.

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:11 pm EST

I also reiterate what was stated before. I don't think the NYR intend to blow this thing up and make massive changes. More likely to get younger, more cap friendly, and maybe score some picks and prospects. But I don't see a panic here. Nor do I want to see a panic. Just shrewd moves.

E


Wed Jun 8 2016 2:11 pm EST

WildCard: nice to see you back on The Wall: Heres what the stats don't show; Does he go to those spots when there's traffic? Is he drawing double coverage and or finding his man in an open lane for a scoring opportunity leading to a primary assist? Or leading up to a secondary assist? .... Look, I want more production out of the guy. I think it's worth noting that he had NO HEAD injuries this past season which seems to be crucial for the continued healing for guys who have suffered concussions, ie: M.Staal, Crosby... The likelihood of reoccurrence is reduced while I believe their confidence is increased...... So, considering Nash not taking one to the noggin, his potential point production and solid 3 zone play, I'd prefer to focus on moving Staal & Girardi....... That's $5.7mill for 5 more yrs, and $5.5mill for 4 more years.......

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 1:53 pm EST

mf: I saw a graphic that had Nash's shot locations from last season...they were MOSTLY from in close, I was rather surprised I expected it to be more from the circles out, or even, but something like 78% were below the dots and between the dots. That is a dangerous place to be with the puck, I don't know why it seems like he doesn't go there, but clearly he did.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 1:49 pm EST

Interesting description about Nash's play, but for me, it many times seems like he is shying away from the critical place on the ice where the contact is in tight and the physicality gets turned up a few notches... Maybe I'm biased because that's what I think is going on in HIS head due to his history with concussions.. I have never seen it as he is NOT driving that extra mile or giving that extra effort to make something happen because he was afraid of putting himself out of position for his defensive responsibility.. I don't buy that, I think down inside, he doesn't want to risk another headshot... jmon....... With the recent data about the expansion situation, I think we need to focus on moving Staal and or then Girardi ahead of NASH.

mf


Wed Jun 8 2016 1:27 pm EST

Expect Duchene rumors to start to pop a lot more heading into the draft. AVS want a D, but I don't think they will get what they want with Duchene, and I think they know it. And for those of you who think he would help the Rangers much...well...with some new insight I want even less to do with him than before. That guy is not enduring himself to the AVS coaches at all, and hasn't been. They thought a couple seasons back he finally figured out how to be a pro, but now after 7 seasons he is still not there. Part of him still being in the lineup last season seems to have been to try to get his value as high as possible for moving him this off season.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 1:24 pm EST

Vic: well said in a possible Nash trade. At the same time, it's also why as fans we need to not over react to a deal, ANY deal. Let's say they can trade Nash and not retain any cap hit, but only get picks/prospects in return. The reaction would be that they will be worse, but that deal could allow them to move those assets or/with others to get a player that makes them better. I think many are hoping to see a deal that makes the team better all nice and tiddy in one fell swoop. Unfortunately it's going to be multiple deals that together (hopefully) improve the team.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 8 2016 1:10 pm EST

Vic: the way I look at it is more like this. Gaborik was an unusual but hella sketchy player. He would get injured, come back play 10-games of ineffective invisibility and suddenly start racking up multi-point/goal affairs where he seemed to be scoring at will. That lack of consistency was always an issue for me. I never really thought there was too much there with AA. I thought he had more upside then developed. I think his numbers in Chicago are inflated as he's had Panarin, Hossa etc... Flanking him as the season moved on. He's basically a 20-goal guy. I'd say that Brassard is a superior player to Dubinsky in terms of production although I think the NYR needed some of Dubinsky's grit. So, in retrospect, honestly I don't think they were really hurt by the Nash deal. I just question whether he was the missing link to a championship. Because I think he is a cog. But I do think the NYR have not been hurt by him in terms of personnel, although the draft pick sucks.

E


Wed Jun 8 2016 12:55 pm EST

You may have to take some money back but I think Nash will yield a nice return and his services will be in demand around the league.

E


Wed Jun 8 2016 12:53 pm EST

E: Actually the question is " would the Rangers be better off with NASH and BRASSARD or with DUBI, GABBY and AA". Because if the NASH deal didn't happen it would be likely that GABBY would still be a Ranger. And I think the Rangers would have been better off with the latter group.

Vic


Wed Jun 8 2016 12:49 pm EST

RF4L and HOSPO: I didn't say that nobody wanted NASH. Yes, there are other teams that would be interested in him "at the right price"........and that includes what it would take to obtain him and what they would have to pay him. And that is the problem. If the Rangers have to eat $3 Million to trade NASH for a warm body what would be the point of the trade? After all, the Rangers don't just need to move NASH's salary.....they need to get better. That is the problem with trading him. The Rangers might be able to get an asset that can help them down the road but that doesn't make them better now.....it makes them worse.......and they are already thin on talent in the top 6.

Vic


Wed Jun 8 2016 12:44 pm EST

VIC: I'll take the argument that Nash may have cost is a cup do to the transaction. MAYBE. Erixon was an intriguing throw-in. Dubinsky was a glorified checking forward who is a player that brings the kind of game the NYR need more of right now. And Anisimov has gone on to be a 2-3rd line center. Do we wanna argue that Brassard wasn't an upgrade? So he was adequately replaced. So, if I break it down a little sku'd ultimately the real question becomes: are the NYR better with Nash or with Dubinsky? I don't think there is any question that Nash is the answer. The thing with Nash is as I've always argued. The NYR needed a marquee scoring threat. He isn't that. But he is a hell of a good hockey player. And that's what irks me sometimes. He is likely the wrong player at the wrong time, and definitely at the wrong number but I cannot think of many times that he has blown his cover, lost his mark, and wasn't a solid player up and down the ice. What irks me is his unwillingness to take any chances in a playoff game. You have all world ability, and yet again and again, you'll yield the puck to someone else and make sure he's in the right place for the back check. When SJ fell behind, Couture threw the playbook out and took every puck to the net trying to make something happen. That is what great goal scorers do. You say, "who's my guy???" And you make sure that they get the looks. Nash is too unselfish and too disciplined a hockey player. He sees himself different then what was needed. We needed a sniper who scored big goals at big times. Nash was a conservative, highly skilled, and disciplined hockey player. I have sometimes compared him to Nick Lidstrom although he is not nearly as skilled. It's his overall game. Lidstrom was an offensive genius but never at the expense of everything else. His ability to play in all 3-zones set him apart. He was as effective on offense as he was on defense but one never at the expense of another. This has been Nash's MO throughout his career. No one thing at the expense of another. I can score, but I'm not gonna give up an odd man. I'm gonna back check and regain the puck, but I'm not gonna take a chance with the puck when I have it. I'm gonna make smart plays. Of course Lidstrom was just better at all of it but the mentality was the same. Be a top teammate. Be unselfish. But what the NYR needed and still need is that guy who taps the ice, wants the puck in big moments and buries it. And the last guys that had that mentality was MSL and Gaborik

E


Wed Jun 8 2016 12:34 pm EST

RF4L - I totally agree with you on NASH...I think he's very tradeable and, like you said, has the chance to explode on the right team....Stepan, Brass, MZA and the yunger guys should also be very tradeable and worth a decent return...It's all about Gorton making the right deal(s) and getting the right return(s)..And I don't mean just draft picks..D men like Girardi and Saal are a bit more dicey..

Hospo


Wed Jun 8 2016 12:02 pm EST

Vic: Re who wants Nash? Last year at this time similar sentiments were being expressed about Phil Kessel. Fast forward a year later and he's vying for top PO scorer and a candidate for the Conn Smythe. Nash would be best suited to be on a team where he's not the top dog offensively. His contract is far less onerous than Kessel's (approximately same price tag but way less tenure). IMO, the Blues would be an excellent fit. The Ducks, too. Maybe the Wild. And of course, the Sharks. Gorther needs to work his magic....(barf).

RF4L


Wed Jun 8 2016 9:44 am EST

"Penguins dominating Sharks in every key performance metric".....(http://www.tsn.ca/penguins-dominating-sharks-in-every-key-performance-metric-1.502847)

Vic


Wed Jun 8 2016 9:24 am EST

York/Vic: I agree wholeheartedly about the quality of goaltending/equipment changes that have led to the decline in goals relative to the 70's/80's. The impact of equipment changes hasn't all been in favor of the defense, however. I wouldn't underestimate the effects of the shift from wood to composite sticks, and all the other developments with stick technology. I don't think guys with naturally great shots benefit a great deal from modern sticks, but those sticks benefit a lot of guys with otherwise mediocre shots. I don't think the impact of stick technology comes anywhere near the effect of advances in goaltender skill and size of equipment, but it still is a factor that favors the offense.

VtRanger


Wed Jun 8 2016 8:04 am EST

On NASH.....as we've commented here I think the trade for NASH ultimately cost the Rangers a Cup win over the last few years. Had they not made that deal I think the Rangers would have won at least one Cup. He has been a large disappointment and he has failed the Rangers, especially when they needed him most. His "impressive" stats over the span of his Ranger tenure mask the fact that he was invisible and/or a no-show on most nights. And the bulk of his stats ended up being relatively meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Having said all of that, however, I don't see a scenario where trading NASH actually helps the Rangers now. I really don't. Unless there is a GM out there that is a blind moron who thinks NASH is more then what we have seen him to be. If there is such a GM out there who can be fleeced then I am all for it. Otherwise to move NASH the Rangers are going to have to get little to nothing in return, or will have to eat a significant portion of NASH's salary to get a player of any worth. And that really is the crux of the issue. If NASH were making $4 Million or $5 Million he wouldn't be the problem that everyone believes him to be on this roster. Someone would probably be happy to have him at that cost but they aren't going to give you a player in return that is as good as NASH now. You would most likely have to settle for a draft pick, prospect or project player that MAY have an outside chance to be as productive a player as NASH has been at some point in the future. Is that worth it? Does that really help the Rangers? I say that because the Rangers are closer to being able to win a Cup today then I believe they will be in 3 years or 5 years. What good is that draft pick, prospect or project to this team if by the time he arrives the Rangers are a mediocre team. So if the Rangers can fleece someone in an exchange for NASH I'm all for it. If not I think the Rangers best bet is to move a different under-performing contract.

Vic


Wed Jun 8 2016 7:46 am EST

YORK: Looking at the second half of your post, I've made that argument here many times. And I recommend that everyone go watch a game from the late 70s or early 80s when you get a chance. I find those games (even playoff and cup Finals) to be hard to watch. The goaltending is a joke compared to what we see today. The size, quickness, agility and athleticism of today's goaltenders blows away EVERYONE from that era. Even AHL level goaltenders today are far superior to anyone of that era. Add in the goaltending equipment changes and you are looking at something that is completely different from what it was 30 or 40 years ago. Watching those games for their relative physicality, fights and open ice hitting is fun but the talent level, skating ability and overall hockey sense is a joke compared to today's players. I find them unwatchable and I'm a guy who grew up loving that brand of hockey. But to reminisce about how much better hockey was back then smacks of "old man syndrome" to me. I enjoy watching this Finals and I generally never watch more then a few minutes of any Finals the Rangers aren't in. The speed, quickness and tenacity are fun to watch. The desperation and desire that these teams are playing with is fun to watch. One other anecdote..........I had game 3 on the other night when my 16 year old son walked into the room. He never watches sports on TV and never did even when young despite the fact that he played multiple sports year round. Watching on TV bores him and he doesn't understand how anyone can follow teams as a fan the way I do. He saw the game on, stood there watching it for a few minutes, then sat down and watched it with me. He didn't say much but commented.."wow, this is really fast". He sat there and watched the rest of the game with me and celebrated when the Sharks won in OT. The speed and quickness of the game sucke