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Mon Dec 5 2016 10:46 pm EST

And on another note, I have no idea what to expect from the Rangers tomorrow against the Islanders...

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:44 pm EST

TD....Burke's role in the Leafs getting Matthews is indirect at best. Matthews is a Leaf because Shanahan convinced management to let the team bottom out. Which is precisely what they did. 2 years after Burke was jettisoned.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:33 pm EST

IMO, pipeline issues didn't exist until now. In the past, the problem was more impatience - trading away young players before they fully developed (re Marc Savard, Matti Norstrom) or inexplicably rushing not ready players (re Blackburn, Maholtra). This trading away of so many picks we've not seen previously in the history of this team. The repercussions are just starting to be felt. You all wanna ignore the signs and defend Sather, so be it. We can agree to disagree...tis a free wall and all that.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:26 pm EST

RF4L - shoddy managerial moves? Which one(s)? Nah, I'm not going to say Sather is a genius team builder...but like E said...he's done plenty to keep this team competitive...and if you look at the path of the Rangers since the lockout...they just keep getting better...few hiccups along the way...last season...Tortorella's missed playoff year...but man, I remember the days when it seemed like we'd never get out of the first round...and now when we don't it's like the sky is falling...You can bag on Sather as much as you want, but the Rangers could have done FAR worse with some of these clown GMs out there...I mean, look at what BURKE did with the Leafs...the only reason folks up your way aren't burning effigies of that guy is because his blundering got them Austen MATTHEWS.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:20 pm EST

The Great Anthony DUCLAIR...a healthy scratch tonight.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:20 pm EST

E - Actually...the sky DID kind of fall in 2003-2004. Worst Ranger season I can remember as a fan...

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:08 pm EST

E: Exactly. And as I said, its the next 2 drafts IMHO that are very important. (and after that as well of course) But this next draft and the one after have to hit, not so much the 1st round or the 2nd round, but the drafts as a whole. Would LOVE to see them get another pick or two int he top 3 rounds the next two drafts and add some more guys, these next two drafts will be the guys who will be ready at about the time the current "older" of the young guys will be looking for major paydays or past their best seasons. But the last few drafts, those players will have been ready before any of the current guys would be out of their way...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:56 pm EST

I think that if you are looking for doom you will find it. So can every fan. The New York Rangers had pipeline issues for going on how many seasons? Yet, they're still competitive. And of course they added two top prospects in Hayes and Vesey. Added a young Z on a good trade. So, they're finding ways. I don't think Gordo is going to just let this side of the franchise languish and twist in the wind. You have a core that's young/in prime and the team is winning. So, if you go down the wall, you can go back to 2003 and read how all of us were convinced that the sky is going to fall anytime now. And somehow, some way they have trucked along. I'm not saying that this is ideal because it isn't but it's always hard to say what will happen next. What I do know is that this fear has not been realized nearly as bad as we have thought it would time and again. So, there is history to tempt fate with...

E


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:55 pm EST

RF4L: Its Sather who brought this team the young player currently on the roster in both NY and Hartford. You can say all you want that Sather has done poorly.....but one of the winningest and youngest teams in the NHL would have something to say about that. You are obsessed with drafting player and having prospects that are highly rated....instead of looking at how the team is actually doing with the young players that come up through the system and realistically looking at how many more young players could possible be added to the roster the next couple years.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:47 pm EST

TD: I"m not talking just about the US and Canada squads. I'm talking the entire tourney. How many Ranger prospects will there be? You can defend Sather's shoddy managerial moves all you want - not me.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:46 pm EST

td: pack was one of the best teams in the AHL in the early 2000's, heck, won the Calder cup...how much did that help the Rangers? As you said, every year a couple guys graduate to the Rangers, and every year there is someone saying the system is empty. Its been what 4, 5 years of them saying that now? I guess as long as every year they say it, eventually one year there will be no kids that take the step, and they can proclaim they knew it all along.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:38 pm EST

RF4L - MAN you don't miss a beat with this stuff...Even with the Rangers regularly graduating two players a season, it's always 'broken feeder system' and 'empty cupboard' and what not...Well, by my count, there are at least five teams with no players on either Canada or the US squad...one of them is the Washington Capitals. Another is the Pittsburgh Penguins...and while I would like to gleefully report the demise of both teams --especially the Pens --and how broken their farm system is...well...I can't. The Caps seem to be graduating a couple players each season...and the Pens? They're coming off of a cup win that to some degree, was a factor of them being able to graduate lesser-talent players from Wilkes Barre(see: RUST, WILSON, SHEARY, KUHNHACKL, and now Ranger-killer GUENTZEL). These aren't guys that showed up at the WJCS...Sure, it'd be nice to have a few Rangers attending either camp. And I'd be willing to bet they'll have at least a couple in the tourney...As for Hartford...you want to say the team is bad? Go ahead...but the undeniable part to this equation is that have plenty of talent down there. Whether it coalesces for wins is another subject...but I've said before and I'll say it again: The Pack has probably about as much budding talent as I've seen them have in a very long time. You can write off guys like KOVACS and NIEVES and GLIMOUR...but these are NHL talents and they're young...the Pack have 10 players under the age of 24...nine are starters...six are under 22...These are guys who in another year will be challenging for roster spots...It'd be sweet if the Rangers had four or five players on US and/or Canada...and if the Pack were top in the AHL...but that in and of itself means nothing...zilcho...you can win the Calder Cup and still not end up anywhere near the Stanley Cup.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 8:57 pm EST

The Pack suck? No kidding. We blew up 99.8% of the team this season and signed many of our draft picks instead and had a real youth movement.. Is it really a surprise that they suck? I wont expect to see any real improvements until the end of the season or maybe even next season? We got spoiled with the NYR this season, they gelled extremely quickly. That is not normal at all. The NYR now seem to be going through their growing pains that you'd expect at the beginning of a season. I blame it on the defense :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 5 2016 8:28 pm EST

Also, Its not like the Rangers are old and will require young top end kids in the next season or two. And while the pack suck as a team, there are some good players there with talent. Again, they have young players in top end positions and near them already at the NHL level. The next couple drafts are important for sure, but the lack of young guys up and coming will not be felt as long as these young players don't suddenly become terrible.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 5 2016 8:22 pm EST

I would be concerned with the lack of WJC players from the Rangers...buuuutttt....yeah...the good teams in the NHL don't have many guys there, and the crap teams do. It would be nice to have a player or 2 at least, but if that would have come at the expense of the Rangers winning and going to the cup finals...no way no how would I give that back for some kids in the WJC.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 5 2016 6:57 pm EST

Zero surprise the WJC rosters are turning up empty of Ranger prospects. Dunno why some folks refuse to acknowledge it - the feeder system is compromised. Hartford sucks and there's precious little in the amateur ranks to anticipate that team not sucking in next year and perhaps the year after. Nice job Sather, you incompetent boob.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 6:30 pm EST

Ola - certainly DAY has some good wheels...but what I like about him is his shot. That's what I find the most attractive about the kid.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 6:26 pm EST

No Rangers on the Finnish squad either...

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 5:54 pm EST

Tdchi- Zboro is an OK prospect, reminds me a bit of Anton Volchenko. But he got a long way to go. It's good to see him score some, but at the same time he is just 3rd in D scoring on his own team in the WHL... He is a defensive minded player. I like him, but he got big steps in front of him. Sean Day scored a hat trick the other day. But that is another D that isn't scoring that much really, think he is like top 15 in the OHL. High scoring Ds at that level scores a ton. Day really got to take big steps and find a good niche for him to play in the NHL. Don't really think the quality is there with Day. But he is big and moves well.

Ola


Mon Dec 5 2016 5:48 pm EST

No sooner do I suggest Sean DAY might be on the US roster, the team releases its final camp roster...sans Sean Day. FML.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 5:24 pm EST

HOLEY SCHNIKIES: "Rangers prospect Sergey Zborovskiy had a weekend he won't soon forget for the Regina Pats of the Western Hockey League with nine points over two games, including a seven-point performance Saturday night. Zborovskiy, whom the Rangers selected in the third-round (79th overall) in the 2015 NHL Draft, had two goals and five assists and a plus-8 rating in a 12-2 Regina win over Prince Albert."

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 4:22 pm EST

Misspoke earlier....figured Sean DAY was a naturalized Canadian...but turns out he's American...and was in the U.S. Team Development camp last summer. Could very well be on the Stars and Stripes this winter.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 3:11 pm EST

IMO Gorton would be foolish to trade any youth/prospects/draft picks away at this point.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 3:09 pm EST

TD: Staal is going nowhere unless he agrees, especially come expansion draft time. The lovely contract that idiot Sather gave him means he must be protected. Gorton has 2 options: Buy him out or persuade him to accept a trade. The former is simply too costly given his ridiculous contract (it'll be Girardi who gets bought out if a d-man buyout happens). For the latter, persuading Staal to waive his NMC might be easier than finding a trading partner unless the Rangers are prepared to eat some of his salary. He's got 4 more years after this one at $5,700,000. Yikes.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 2:35 pm EST

TDCHI - To each their own..Last year was clearly part AV's fault, but I'm saying anything abiut this year YET...We'll see wheere this philosophy, strategy and prancing gets us.........HRIVIAK??? oh god will this procession of boring, prancing, unwatchable players ever end? Give me GLASS for a few games...

Hospo


Mon Dec 5 2016 12:50 pm EST

hrivik called up

stevielegs


Mon Dec 5 2016 12:49 pm EST

grabner out tomorrow, going to his grandma's funeral.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 5 2016 12:26 pm EST

Bob - That's because the AHL is basically a trash heap of marginal players and has-been NHLers. I know the Pack is a fun team to kick around, but they're far from unique in having a less-than-noteworthy lineup. And despite their record, they actually have a lot of talent down there. Probably more than the average AHL team.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 12:24 pm EST

mf - Relax bud. Didn't say we SHOULD trade DAY...just worried that someone in the organization might see it as the move to make to improve the big club...that said, with GRAVES in Hartford, Day in the OHL, and SKJEI looking like a very solid piece of the future, it makes me wonder what the future of the Rangers' D will be. Certainly seems as though STAAL could be on borrowed time, especially with the expansion draft barreling down the pike.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 12:21 pm EST

Hospo - I'm not going to take all the blame away from AV...certainly when your special teams were as bad as the Rangers were last year, some of that --actually, A LOT of that --has to fall on the coach. But IMO, the two biggest problems the Rangers faced last year were a collective exhaustion and a failure to replace critical elements of the lineup that were lost in the off-season and the season before.....I frankly thought the Rangers had a very good team going into 2015-2016 and figured they'd contend despite their shortcomings...and much like everyone else, I was very disappointed to see a team that often looked like it was going through the motions...but the start this season suggests something totally different...the team was playing top-notch hockey before losing two very talented players...and their special teams were and STILL ARE playing very well...and I think that goes a long way toward diffusing/refuting the main argument/criticism I read of AV --that he never changes his game plan...and that he's this one-track mind coach...and that he can't motivate or change this team...I think he's adjusted VERY well over his four seasons in New York, and especially this one...And I think when this club gets Z and BUCHNEVICH back, we'll see a return to their previous form....I can't deny those who are saying the club has looked like crap this past couple weeks...they have...but I don't think that's because of the coaching...they've shifted from the start of the season where they were playing a quick-passing high-speed pressure game...they were very difficult to trap because all four lines had the ability to effectively pot goals...Now they're playing a lower-skilled dump-and-chase game that relies very heavily on special teams to get the job done...AV's done that on the fly...and if it sounds like that's a tough thing to do, that's because it is. I give him a lot of credit so far for keeping this team playing .500 hockey despite losing his top center and playing without a very talented winger...if they continue to falter with those two back in the lineup, that's when I'll start buying into some of this 'it's the coach's fault' business.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 11:59 am EST

TD: No Way Should we trade Sean Day before he makes it to the big club, bombs out, and we get little in return for him... This is a guy who was projected as high as top 3-5 in several "future mock drafts" when he was 16... We finally have a high 1st round pick in the system, and I wouldn't even trade him if the return was to "missing piece" that could bring us The Cup. I'd find a different way to bring that so called "missing piece." jmho

mf


Mon Dec 5 2016 11:46 am EST

Oh here are the goals: atnhl.com/2gI538u

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 11:46 am EST

Tell you what: The Rangers could have something special in Sean DAY. All three of his goals were pretty sweet. First two were a direct result of his cannon of a shot...which is something the Rangers are really missing from their blueline right now...He showcased it a bit in Traverse City, but the footage of his hattie...man...really excellent work. His third goal showcases his speed and hands...kid just motored up the boards a little bit like McDONAGH is wont to do...then cuts to the net and rips a nasty wrister for the OT winner....little bit surprised he didn't get an invite for Team Canada...this kid is looking like a young Shea Weber right now...My concerns are twofold right now...first is that he's got another season in the OHL after this one before he's eligible for the AHL...and that's unfortunate. A kid his size and with his talent is probably ready for the AHL now, though I think this season he's where he belongs...by next fall, however, I suspect the OHL will be a wasted year...and given what the Rangers have on the left side now, I'm not sure he'll be able to crack the NHL lineup...Second concern is pure speculation...but I suspect the Rangers will make a substantive move in the next couple months, maybe even long before the deadline...and if there was one way they could improve in New York without having to tweak the lineup much, it'd be moving a kid like Day.

tdchi


Mon Dec 5 2016 11:28 am EST

RF4L--Funny when watching the Hartford-Marlies game that I heard of as many marlies players, who I don't follow as I did the Wolf pack.

Bob


Mon Dec 5 2016 10:29 am EST

and he's a RHS defenseman to boot.! http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=277798

mf


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:40 am EST

Steve Zipay Retweeted (((Corey Pronman))) ‏@coreypronman Dec 3 NYR D prospect Sergei Zborovskiy with a 7(!!) point night in the WHL vs. Prince Albert. Potential WJC bound.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:19 am EST

http://windsorspitfires.com/video/day-natural-hatty-lifts-spits-to-ot-win-at-the-joe

puckyou


Mon Dec 5 2016 9:17 am EST

Rf I get the NHL trying to end the goons but I don't get ass vipe and many thinking that blacknblue isn't needed... glass fits the bill since the coach at least respects what he brings to the game...within reason and whistle to whistle...he's what the 4th line needs....until moofboy lands hanzal.... after his emails , phone calls , and meetings with fishboy...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 5 2016 8:27 am EST

BTW, Glass stood out primarily because he was physical. The Pack are like the Rangers - light hitting.

RF4L


Mon Dec 5 2016 7:42 am EST

Fishtank one game under 500, nyr nine games over 500... snow did a bad job in the off season....fishboy did a good job as nosendick would say over and over and over again...both coaches leave much to be desired....maybe it's time to recall glass. Most would agree this team needs more grit and emotion .....and someone to stand up to clutterschmuck...he's the only guy ass vipe would like on his speed roster....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:25 pm EST

Bob: I PVR'd both Pack/Marlie games this weekend and started to watch the first one (where the Pack won 3 2) and OMG, a total snorefest where the player that stood out the most was Tanner Glass. There's very little down there as should be totally expected.

RF4L


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:23 pm EST

IMO, as long as AV is the coach, there's zero possibility of Hanzel becoming a Ranger. He's not fast enough and is a significant part of his game is due to his physicality. In this case, 2 strikes and he's out!

RF4L


Sun Dec 4 2016 6:53 pm EST

TD: I doubt Hanzal commands $5mill per, and even if he was to help take us to the promised land parade up Broadway, nothing says we have to resign him.... Then again, if he helps us get to "The Promised Land" ??????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkigtfS96kM

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 6:44 pm EST

have not had time to watch

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 6:41 pm EST

WildCard, do you answer to "Woldcard?"

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 6:40 pm EST

WoldCard: Exactamente' ! When the lineup is healthy, HANZAL would be slotted on the 4th, flanked by Grabner & Fast..... If we're rolling 4 lines, and consider the minutes we spend in the penalty box, Hanzal could play 13 minutes some nights which, like you state, keep him fresh, and reduce his exposure to injury.... I assert that the type of physicality he brings to the game would have the rest of the guys play more abrasive... That is if coach Ass-Vipe Neuteralization would permit....... Next: I have had time to watch many games this season, nor am I up to date with the performances of: Lindburg / Jooris / Puemple, but if we can land HANZAL for one or two of those guys, AND OR a prospect & or a pick, "AND" have The Yotes eat $1mill or so in salary, I can't make the trade fast enough... Get Hanzal on board and let the chemistry develope...

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 6:02 pm EST

TDCHI - That's getting awful close to giving the coach the credit when a team does goed but giving the players the blame when it doesn't..Doesn't work that way,,,,if so perhaps AV was just a passenger when the team succeeded????..I don't believe that, it's usually a joint effort and without a doubt last year was a joint effort with AV leading the way with a total inability to get the mist out of players, put them where to succeed, and to get any semblance of chemistry or identiy....like he haad done the previous years

Hospo


Sun Dec 4 2016 5:54 pm EST

Only way HANZAL makes sense is if 1. STEPAN or HAYES is going the other way; 2. If Z is out for the season. He's a solid player, but he's going to be commanding $5 million plus and he'd be out the door after the playoffs end...if the Rangers are going to make a move...and I really think they should...it should be for a top pairing right-handed shooting defenseman or for a player that is going to bring some snarl to the lineup, but who can also keep pace with the up-tempo game. Hanzal is almost the latter...and if he could be had cheaply, I'd be interested...but I suspect the Yotes are going to want a YANDLE-esque haul for him and that he won't bring exactly what the Rangers need.

tdchi


Sun Dec 4 2016 5:35 pm EST

As players come back from injury, and using the last few games to look at things, I think Pirri would be my choice to move on, along with Jooris. Not both if that isn't needed, but neither have been all that good. Pirri while has the ability to score (thats fired up recently) he is not good with the puck otherwise. He makes very telegraphed passes...I mean the defender could eat a picnic while he was waiting for him to pass the puck AFTER the defender figured out where it was going. Also along the boards, he tried to make these little moves with the puck, and it just goes bad. Whatever magic he had early has moved on and I think that he is just not worth keeping around....not at the expense of other guys, Puempel while having just the 1 goal/point, he does a lot of things that I like. He goes to the front of the net, uses his size to get into the dirty areas. He isn't a bruiser or anything, but he gets in there. I would rather keep him around, since he has more upside (possibly at least)

Wildcard


Sun Dec 4 2016 5:25 pm EST

mf: If the Rangers were not doing so well I would be against hanzal. However, with how well they are playing, having a guy like that playing the 4th line C role until there is an injury (or as like right now with ZBad out) or to help out when someone has a bad game and in certain situations would be great. If he plays less minutes he will be more likely to not be injured. ZBad-Step-Hayes-Hanzal down the middle would be tough to beat....likely there would be many games that he played more minutes than the other centers "ahead" of him on the depth chart...but that would mean other guys are not being overplayed....Not sure what it would take, but likely more than we could imagine it should.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 4 2016 5:19 pm EST

Hey, does everyone remember the offseason talk here when a few of the wall posters had the Islanders as the team that was going to be one to beat and likely be part of the reason the Rangers, who would struggle all year around the bubble, would miss the playoffs.....I know there is a lot of hockey left...but I don't see the Islanders being a team to beat, unless its in the race for the number 1 overall.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 4 2016 4:26 pm EST

To be succinct as possible....the Wolf Pack stink.

Bob


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:50 am EST

Stralman is hurt, Darnell Nurse is on IR, was thinking the Rangers better be on top of their research for targeting a d man... I'm also thinking we need a center before we target a RW... Just to throw a name out here, Martin Hanzal... Big & strong which will be needed in the playoffs, that is if the guy can stay healthy... We have a history of trading with The Coyote's, and they have eaten salary in return... They are still a very budget conscious organization... Maybe Jooris or Lindberg ang a pick gets it done..

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:42 am EST

Hospo - Certainly, there were missteps last season...coaching-wise, what could have been done differently? The obvious problem was the defense...this reliance on BOYLE and GIRARDI...but even if he had swapped in McI...would the result have been different? I think last year's folly rested on two main problems: Exhausted team and a faulty roster...they never replaced HAGELIN'S speed and were one-dimensional in the center with BRASSARD and STEPAN...But these are roster problems...if the case was that AV wouldn't acknowledge roster issues and told GORTON he was fine with what he had, then yeah, that's on him....was pretty clear from about December on that the Rangers needed to shuffle the deck...

tdchi


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:36 am EST

RF4L - Hopefully instead of the waiver wire, we'll see a trade...again, this team needs to address its shortcomings on the right side...it's needed to address them for a long time...we got lucky one season when STRALMAN showed strong...and again when we got KLEIN...and yet again with HOLDEN showing proficiency...But what we've needed and continue to need is someone who can compliment McDONAGH...I thought TROUBA was/is that guy...HAMILTON...maybe...but not sold on him...Another thought was to approach the Jackets about JONES...

tdchi


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:29 am EST

NYStranger - I won't disagree with you that McILRATH got the short end of a stick last season...but I don't think one season riding pine set him on a course for career destruction...like many others, I figured a healthy McI would have been much preferable to an aged BOYLE or injured GIRARDI... but then look at how he handled MILLER...and the results from that...and then HAYES too...both players got the tough love from AV...both players are better for it...My assessment is that AV gives his players enough rope to hang themselves with...it's not like McI didn't get ANY chance...the kid played well during stretches last year...but the fact remains he couldn't crack the top six or even seven...he had a very poor camp and then unlike guys like SKJEI and HOLDEN, didn't show any improvement when he saw regular season action...At some point, you have to look at the player and assess some blame to him.

tdchi


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:26 am EST

TDCHI -without trying to sound like a douche, did you read my entire post? I t wasn't long..and ended with "Of course he deserved another chance after his previous success.....". I think that acknowledges his success and fantastic job the two years before last year.....Just' can't see how you can't acknowledge or just sweep under the rug how bad of a job he did last year.....And I'm not sure yet what we are getting this year..

Hospo


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:24 am EST

Td he's a good coach but I'm not sure he knows what it takes to win 16 playoff games and how much he affects getting that done . He seems too lackadaisical or not intense enough. It takes balls and brains , he's missing the balls so far....he's too cerebral....he needs more emotions expressed....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:15 am EST

Hospo - AV has a.634 winning percentage. That's the second-best in franchise history...only coach better is KEENAN, and he stayed for only a season. He'll also likely climb to number three on the all-time list for wins, with only Lester Patrick and Emile Francis above him...if and when he surpasses 181 wins as a Ranger coach, he will have done it in four seasons(as opposed to 13 and 10 respectively). So I'm thinking you may be forgetting some of the bad times this team has had...the only thing AV hasn't done for this team is bring them a cup.

tdchi


Sun Dec 4 2016 11:12 am EST

Rf when buekbitch comes back probably or fishboy goes after shatter knack by the deadline hopefully sooner ... this team needs real help if they are keeping this coach ....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 10:36 am EST

I wonder how long it is before either Peumpel or Pirri on the waiver wire...

RF4L


Sun Dec 4 2016 9:58 am EST

I am a little worried about the team's lack of stability and comfort in its identity. After a great start we had a rougher stretch. Something that everyone knew was coming sooner or later. And to be honest, we still played some great games mixed in with some pretty frustrating losses that we didn't deserve. And the odd really poor loss. Instantly we start to loose our footing and question our game-plan. What we saw during the first two periods last night was pretty obvious proof of where that will take us.. Like during the first we didn't even try to play hockey, it looked like we tried to copy Calgary anno 2003. Just chip the puck out and dump and chase. WTF? That style will -- never -- work in today's game. AV is a veteran coach, but to be honest I am pretty disappointed that he this fast is prepared to abandon his game plan and style just because we face a little adversity? Unless AV and co settle down and start bringing this team in the right direction again -- be prepared to see a lot more 3 shot periods. We got a fair share of them under Torts, and more will come if we think we can grind our way to pts without taking any risks in the NHL 2016...

Ola


Sun Dec 4 2016 7:33 am EST

“We’re like all the teams,’’ he said. “We need our goaltender to be one of our best players and we need our other best players, whether they be Ds or forwards, to play at the level they’re supposed to.”

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 7:33 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-rally-to-win-but-alain-vigneault-issues-warning-1.12703050

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 7:32 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/12/03/why-rangers-turned-2-terrible-periods-into-an-electric-3rd/

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 5:20 am EST

Hip kid k met with his college coach on Friday maybe that was part of the help that woke him up. It didn't help hazy . .... or vescey...the hc team played last night at msg after the nyr kiddie day game...and most of the nyr played like kids....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 5:10 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/video/vigneault-on-win-over-carolina/t-277437422/c-46977503

stevielegs


Sun Dec 4 2016 4:20 am EST

How about KREIDER in the 3rd period? He was playing so confident I thought he might get the hatrick. Great to see the maturation. Loved the cross corner dump ins & chip n' chase by the forwards. Finally a little adaptation. This is a fast talented group that can play different styles. One thing for sure, this team has good chemistry.(imo)

hipcheck


Sun Dec 4 2016 1:37 am EST

MF.... Yes, I have suggested that Girardi do us a solid by agreeing to waive his. No one's going to take him and we could then protect someone else.... In regard Fleury: if he was smart, he would have only put those teams on his list that have incumbent goaltenders. That way he has all the leverage and the Penguins are forced to trade Murray. Pens fans should be a little concerned.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 4 2016 1:21 am EST

Rhet: In this article it states," Fleury has a no-movement clause, meaning the Penguins must protect him unless he agrees to waive it for the draft or to accept a trade. It's assumed the Pens will shop him at some point this season in order to protect Murray. That move could come by the trade deadline.............. It seems that a player could agree to lift their NMC and agree to be "exposed" during the expansion draft..(Have you read this before? t/y) .. I don't think this aspect was covered here on The Wall........... Despite firm denials about Dougie Hamilton trade rumors from Brian Burke, there has been a notable increase in those reports lately. ..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/rumors/article/rumor-roundup-burke-denies-hamilton-trade-rumors-but-they-won-t-go-away ............... Also mentioned: LATEST ON BISHOP AND FLEURY

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 1:15 am EST

MF... It was more of a rhetorical question than anything else. He signed a 3-year KHL extension in September and unless the NHL/KHL work out a new transfer agreement, we'll have to wait until then. At that point, Lundqvist will be his backup :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 4 2016 1:10 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/blackhawks-crawford-set-to-undergo-appendectomy-no-timeline-for-return

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 1:08 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/concussion-symptoms-put-stars-sharp-on-the-shelf-seven-games-after-return

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 1:01 am EST

RF: I'm still waiting to hear your trade proposal of Stepan, Hank + ???? to the Isles for Taveras & ???? May the TradeRator be with you....

mf


Sun Dec 4 2016 12:19 am EST

mf: Better yet, when does he bump the King from his throne?

RF4L


Sun Dec 4 2016 12:12 am EST

Rhet: Hank's signed for 4 more after this season and Igor Olegovich Shestyorkin turns 21 at the end of this month... Born: December 30, 1995 ..... So, when does he start backing up Hank?

mf


Sat Dec 3 2016 11:52 pm EST

Opps....rephrase: It's all about trying to keep a bunch of teams in the US in cities where interest in the game of hockey is an oxymoron in the PO hunt in an ill-fated dream of a rich American TV contract.

RF4L


Sat Dec 3 2016 11:50 pm EST

The Canes and Sens are all about Gary Phuckman hockey - dummy the game down to the lowest common denominator (re skill level) so the league has perceived competitiveness. It's all about trying to keep a bunch of teams in the US in cities where interest in the game of hockey is an oxymoron in an ill-fated dream of a rich American TV contract. I am slowly but surely getting to the point of hoping for/anticipating an extended shutdown of this league - perhaps it might serve to wake up all to the fact that this brand of hockey sucks. Of course, no holding my breath on that!

RF4L


Sat Dec 3 2016 9:30 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/12/03/american-football-could-fall-like-the-gladiators-of-ancient-rome/

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 9:08 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/12/03/chris-kreider-takes-over-as-rangers-leave-carolina-behind/

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 9:07 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/12/03/the-one-word-separating-this-lundqvist-from-the-great-lundqvist/

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 9:03 pm EST

So the nyr were outshot in the first and the second but the canes were playing defensive hockey pinning the nyr in their own zone.... got it.... ask ass vipe what he thought of the game... post game he refrained and try to laugh off a fairly bad performance.... they call grabher offsides which he probably was the nyr lose... inconclusive inclusive...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 7:53 pm EST

How long until Shesterkin get's here?

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 3 2016 6:23 pm EST

tlats........his body language has always been poor , since I can remember. What he has to work on the most is getting OFF the goal line for shots from 30 or more feet out with no one around the net !!!!! . He hugs that line like his life depends on it.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 3 2016 6:14 pm EST

A miracle on 33 rd st

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 5:49 pm EST

wildcard..........I guess the "cut and dry " explanation is that .....the rule is ..........is that a player cannot enter the zone before the puck does ! (unless ofcourse ,he has Full control)..........but I hear you, loud and clear.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 3 2016 5:46 pm EST

E: Exactly...The Canes are the type of team that the Advanced stats love, they outshoot their opponents and out attempt them, but in reality they had a hard time winning games. I will give they that they work hard, very hard, and that keeps games close, and gets them some wins. But they just are not that good.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 3 2016 5:42 pm EST

I think Carolina is just like Ottawa in that they produce the most dreadfully boring hockey in the NHL. They are modern versions of some of those clutch and grab, neutral zone block teams of the 90's. Just so committed to keeping you off the board they don't do anything offensive. Just wait for those rare moments of special teams or for the other team to get to frustrated and make a mistake. It's sub .500 losing hockey in my opinion. And FWIW I think the New York Rangers won this game because they were patient, didn't allow themselves to come loose and started using cross corner dumps and going to the net. They earned this win with hard hats on.

E


Sat Dec 3 2016 5:40 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger: That my point...its stupid. it really doesn't give him any benefit if his back foot is off the ice 1 inch or touching the ice...he is the same distance forward. I am saying that the rule is just dumb. I mean, if a guy jumps over a broken stick, and his front foot lands JUST inside the blueline he is offsides...but if he has his other toe down as well he is OK. There is no difference in his forward movement in either case...so why is there a rule that implies that. Its just dumb.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 3 2016 5:01 pm EST

Wildcard..........actually you answered you own question, so to speak..................his lead skate was clearly in the zone,thus if his back skate is off the ice ....it's off-sides.................and I think it probably was.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 3 2016 4:13 pm EST

mf: Yes thats true...and another group of stupid rules are in football. However, the offsides issue is about a player gaining an advantage by being in the zone before the puck, if your front foot is in by 1 inch and you life the back foot standing still your offsides, but if your going full tilt, and stretch your back foot outing your body and front foot are in by 3 feet, but your toe is on the ice behind you, you are OK. One has zero effect on your ability to get in the zone at all to help out and the other makes you a threat, but the threatening one is OK....its just silly....if a "rule" can be made to make zero sense on one situation the rule should be changed.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:57 pm EST

WC: Not that this is College or NFL Football; but doesn't a receiver need to have at least one foot "in bounds" and on the ground for a pass to be ruled as a completion, and two feet in bounds and on the ground in the NFL? However, you only need to break the plane of the goal line for a touchdown to be awarded.......

mf


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:38 pm EST

Hallelujah! !!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:35 pm EST

Strong 3rd period for the WIN!!

hipcheck


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:35 pm EST

Win 1, Lose1...lets see what happens next.

WIOSA


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:31 pm EST

Kreiderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

tlats


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:10 pm EST

This team is starting to Suck big time

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:09 pm EST

So that Grabner goal being reviewed, on the air they were wondering if is skate was on or off the ice. To me thats a silly part of the rule. I mean, if you can have one for in moving forward, why does the back foot have to be on the ice? The blueline "extends to the ceiling" for the puck, but not for the feet? I mean, is the player really getting any benefit if he is jumping, or has his back foot up in his stride? I mean does it make any difference at all, you are still the same distance from the net...just seems silly to me.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 3 2016 3:05 pm EST

Haaaaa HA HAHA HAHAHA

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:45 pm EST

Professional passers ... practice practice passes..:

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:41 pm EST

The Rangers are the best team in the league at either missing the net or getting their shots blocked. Hayes just refuses to shoot. This team needs a wakeup call (Trade)

stepunmytoe


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:25 pm EST

The captain having a rough 2nd period

tlats


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:20 pm EST

Turnovers no forechecking no passion no urgency no Stalberg just plain sedated hockey

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:17 pm EST

Cant see the game today-I think Im glad.

WIOSA


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:16 pm EST

@$#! Viktor...

WIOSA


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:00 pm EST

Kids day so far like Sunday school mass...

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 2:00 pm EST

Thats the same jacket Dugay used to wear at studio 54

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 1:45 pm EST

Looks like a return to last years model of trying to win even though getting outplayed.....And The passion and aggressiveness is just too much to take!Think I'm gonna go out and watch paint dry!..Gotta be more exciting than the Rangers and the sound of the Garden fans....The only sound they make is the idiotic "ZUCCCCC" for a player that has had his head up his ass too long

Hospo


Sat Dec 3 2016 1:44 pm EST

Sog 15-3 wafj sleep festival

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 1:38 pm EST

Whats with these blind passes down the middle.

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 1:31 pm EST

Another game and another period of almost no forechecking and offensive zone time. Not that they don't have the players for it, they just seem uninterested in doing it.

Bob


Sat Dec 3 2016 1:31 pm EST

Is it me or is Hank getting more and more diva like with his body language lately?

tlats


Sat Dec 3 2016 1:02 pm EST

Cannot wait to see how the Rangers start this game.Lets see if they learned anything from the previous games

rangerlou


Sat Dec 3 2016 12:42 pm EST

I'm here at msg looking at the sun roof and all the sunshine . It's so bright sunglasses can't block it out. History has a way of rewriting itself to fit talking points. ...Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it.

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 12:02 pm EST

Wow, td, I don't know what to say?! You don't think McIlrath was grossly mishandled last year? He was benched for such long stretches, even though he was playing better than G and Boyle, that his game and confidence was ruined IMO. He is doing the same thing this year to Clendenning not that I really care on this one. He did it the previous years with the extra D men as well. Hospo makes my point about the nothing but success statement. Sheesh. Short memories around here. These days I am all aboard Hospo's buss. I can give a rats ass about who is playing, who is coaching, who gets traded or what asset we give up or keep as long as we bring home the Cup. Patting ourselves on the back because of all the goal scoring the team did for the first 15 games is meaningless and stupid. I kept getting nervous when this team was compared to the goal scoring output of the 92-93 team...yikes, that doesn't raise alarm bells? I remember that team being dynamic on offense and scoring in bunches as well. Didn't work out so well in the end, now did it? Took a wasted season because management would not make a coaching change early enough to matter. Not saying we are at that point yet, but close.

NYStranger


Sat Dec 3 2016 11:29 am EST

Hospo: Totally agree. And this year is starting to look a little like last year even tho Gorton boosted the lineup, especially on the forward lines. IMO, this next stretch of games (until perhaps the xmas shutdown) will tell us whether or not what we're seeing lately is what we're gonna see plenty of the rest of the season.

RF4L


Sat Dec 3 2016 11:23 am EST

TDCHI - AV with "nothing but success" as a Ranger caoch?? How soon people forget last year...The Ranger team was, at best, treading water after late November and The King's heroics, fell apart after the deradline and quit in the POs...An excact ..500 team and only PO worthy becasue of the first 45 days....EVERY lineup move that AV made last year was wrong..no identity and zero chemistry....a horrendous performance by the caoch......Of course he deserved another chance after his previous success..That's what this year is about...Jury should still be out IMWO..

Hospo


Sat Dec 3 2016 10:52 am EST

Ola - There's been a lot of bagging and ragging on the Rangers' D this past couple weeks...and I get why, I just don't really agree...I think there IS an underlying problem with the Rangers, which is and always has been they really don't have a top-pairing guy to play the right side...they drastically upped the skill level with the forward lines, which sort of eclipsed this issue for a while...but with BUCH and ZIBANEJAD out, they had to re-adjust their game to play less X's and O's and more dump and chase...and that has again exposed the shortcomings on the right side. Is it any surprise that the guys being singled out for poor performances are names KLEIN, GIRARDI and CLENDENING?

tdchi


Sat Dec 3 2016 10:19 am EST

NYStranger: For argument sake, who exactly has AV benched --or as you put it, Prucha'd --who left the Rangers and went on to be have a great or even modest NHL career? I'm rolling through the names and from my perspective, it's pretty short. In truth, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head...I guess the argument could be made for DUCLAIR, who was benched and then sent back to juniors before being traded...but that's about it...McILRATH, of which much was written on this very wall, has now been scratched for seven consecutive games by his new team, and most likely will be scratched an eighth after today...AV expects a lot out of his young players...and sure, they get scratched...but the ones who get yanked from the lineup and learn ultimately end up with bigger roles in the organization(see: MILLER, HAYES)...I know the tendency here is to beat up on the coach whenever there are a few or a string of losses...and AV is no exception...but the guy has had nothing but success with the Rangers. His coaching style may not be up to par with what some here would like to see...but I have a lot of trouble faulting him for his moves, lineup-wise.

tdchi


Sat Dec 3 2016 8:20 am EST

rhet right now that's what big mac needs. going to ahl either for conditioning or just sent there. and he needs a skating coach. I'm pretty sure he will be a #6 in the nhl next year, if not sooner. Some nhl team will sign him for next season, probably after the expansion draft.

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 7:36 am EST

Gerard Gallant recently said about Dylan McIlrath ...:"He's a big strong kid, he has to work on his footspeed. He's been told that before." Since Gallant was fired, don't be shocked if Mac get's waived and sent down to the AHL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 3 2016 7:21 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/arthur-staple/islanders-owners-seeking-big-name-executive-source-says-1.12700729?utm_content=bufferd6cd5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 7:18 am EST

note to coach, you are what your record says you are....guess you forgot that....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 7:16 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/12/03/rangers-kevin-klein-on-benching-message-received/

stevielegs


Sat Dec 3 2016 6:16 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-coach-alain-vigneault-likes-islanders-grit-1.12700690

mf


Fri Dec 2 2016 7:11 pm EST

Bob I hope fehr gets the cap to become a luxury tax like he did with baseball.....Moof juicy? ...

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 7:04 pm EST

So when the NHL locks out the players again, Bettman can say that they offered the players an extension and they declined. Wonderful.

Bob


Fri Dec 2 2016 6:58 pm EST

Hospo: Just have to rib you on one of today’s “Hospo Classics!” ;-) Now let’s just agree that I’m always a contender for the CJC award, so here goes: “”Yes, ZIBA and BUCH will help, they will bring more skill back..and a few more wuicj strike goals.., but not the needed jam...”” So since Zibanejad is Iranian / Swedish & BuchKnish is Russian, I’m guessing that a “WUICJ strike goal” is one that has an Eastern European / West Asian component to it. Please advise, as this should move me up or down a few notches on the CJC meter. :->) (ST.Legs, get your decoder ring out of the cereal box)

mf


Fri Dec 2 2016 6:39 pm EST

"NHLPA Rejects NHL's Offer of Olympics for CBA Extension" via http://TeamStre.am by Bleacher Report http://www.tsn.ca/nhlpa-rejects-nhl-s-offer-of-olympics-for-cba-extension-1.622523

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 5:12 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 3h3 hours ago Speaking of stitches, second period shot to elbow forced Matt Puempel to get sewn up...

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 4:56 pm EST

oh joy.....Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 3h3 hours ago Lundqvist in net for Saturday matinee vs. Canes, appears AV leaning toward Klein, although not 100 percent sure

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 4:54 pm EST

professor ass vipe.......Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 3h3 hours ago AV: "Urgency" missing at points, definitely a factor in recent stretch

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 4:19 pm EST

Great action on the wall, but respectfully I got to say that I don't really believe in the easy solutions mentioned. The just get it deep stuff etc. It is a given that the opponent is getting tougher and tougher, and it will get a lot worse. But, the solution is not necessarily to give up on trying to take the puck to the net and put it behind it instead, and just putting the puck on net and creating traffic there is not something you opt or not opt to do. That is how goals are scored in this league -- de facto. The stats don't lie. The big problem from my point of view is that we just are way too loose defensively. Looking at the better teams in this league the last years, Tampa, Chicago, Pitt for a shorter stretch and so far -- a bit part of these team's success is to be disciplined and very thight defensively. There have been some talk about Hank being up and down, Raanta etc. And especially Hank has had a rough stretch. BUT we are also -- far -- from great defensively. Look no further, you want to be a top team in this league? Well you have to be great defensively. YOU HAVE TO BE GREAT DEFENSIVELY lol. We are far from that. Focusing on simplifying our offensive game, get more traffic to the net etc, I don't really like it. At least that is not the problem. Teams playing us should get the feel every night that it will be very hard to get 1, not to mention 2. That is how it is playing against a team that is great defensively. We are far from that. Offense will come at times, and not at other times. The only way to keep winning is to give up few. Thinking that we can score 5 by dumping it in instead of finessing is wishful thinking, forget about scoring 5 on a regular basis.

Ola


Fri Dec 2 2016 3:07 pm EST

it's deja vu all over again.....groundhog's day.....fishboy needs to be smarter than ass vipe. I'm not so sure that's true ......one dimensional is not a great concept.....and they need to play antti more until hank wtfu consistently.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 3:01 pm EST

NYStranger: Agreed - this looks like an AV team to me. He needs to make it work.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 3:00 pm EST

If AV is telling his players to get it in deep but they refuse and AV keeps telling them and they keep refusing, then it's AV to start benching/pressboxing to make an example. Either that or it's the inmates running the asylum. Is AV solely to blame if this is indeed the case? Of course not - the players are also culpable. However, he's the man in charge so he's the one where the blame starts.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:56 pm EST

Yeah but who is dictating what kind of players are on the team? Speed, speed, speed. All sizzle no grizzle.

NYStranger


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:33 pm EST

And I'm not an AV fan per se. Sometimes I think he has a better pulse for what the NHL is now then most coaches. But so does Mike Sullivan, John Cooper, Quenville etc... it's all about speed, and pursuit. Zone hockey is pedestrian hockey. And I love possession hockey so you'd think this is my great moment in the sun. But I like possession hockey in a tougher era then now. Now, it's becoming more like the NBA where the game is manipulated into something else. And I don't want basketball on ice. I want hard hitting, bone crunching, emotional, bloody, force of will crucible that makes the grueling run to a championship earned in a way that few other sports can compare.

E


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:26 pm EST

NYS: almost every single post game all I hear about out of AV is that the team has to get pucks deep. But his team doesn't like to do it. I've watched him rearrange his lines, and on and on. And it's funny, for all the attention that goes into AV's speed breaks, stretch passing, and possession little gets paid to the fact that he doesn't like to commit more then two to the forecheck with a spy between the circles to prevent the cross ice breakout that so many teams use. So all the offense gets kind of overshadowed by his demand that pucks coming back out are forced to the half boards and the E-W is taken away. It's something that so rarely gets talked about. The system is predicated on the rush, if the rush shorts out it seems like they just don't have the people that get down in there deep and WIN the battles. They need to find intestinal fortitude sometimes. Grizzle, not sizzle.

E


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:25 pm EST

What? Stubborn to a fault...

NYStranger


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:24 pm EST

E fair enough but you know the gist of what I am saying. But he IS a lot like Renney in the suburb to a fault category. Square pegs in the round hole. Sending out the same players and hoping for different results...

NYStranger


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:20 pm EST

Clendening probably took that holding penalty on purpose. Knew he would be benched another 50 games staight! Easy paycheck. Or paycheque! Or maybe hopes to be waived so he might get a chance at regular playing time...either way, why would he want to play for AV?

NYStranger


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:19 pm EST

Comparing AV to Renney is kinda crazy no? AV is a very good hockey coach. His record speaks. But if we want to make the argument that he isn't going to take the team the next step that's fine. I have my doubts. But he is one of the best coaches the New York Rangers had in a loooong time. I mean isn't Renney a film room guy somewhere? Last I remember he was an assistant in Detroit I think. Meanwhile, AV has what? 6-division wins? 2-SCF? 3-conference finals? Has he even missed a playoffs in 9-years? I just think that all coaches have a shelf life and even if the record is good at some point you start looking in another direction because you know it going to happen. That's what I often think about with AV. But I think he has a good pulse for the game. But so did Roger Neilson for example. Great coach. Great record. I think the New York Rangers were the best team in the Patrick the entire time he was here until Messier forced him out. Recognized that as good a coach as he was, he just wasn't gonna be the guy to get it done. I see AV like this sometimes. But Renney cannot even hold AV's luggage.

E


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:07 pm EST

NOT a AV fan but who else is out there??????

vcp1994


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:07 pm EST

As for Clendening, to each his own..Obviously, technically, he's been on an NHL roster this year ( an "NHL player" is a stretch).Playwise, to me. he seems more like an AHLer..There's just nobody of worth or ready in hartford to put Clendenning where he belongs.......And Lord knows, we gotta keep the Pimple...Looks like a passenger to me...

Hospo


Fri Dec 2 2016 2:07 pm EST

There are better coaches but, they are employed. I would take Chicago's coach, maybe even Daryl gutter lol. Cannot change coaches like we drink orange juice. We have done that over the years. Garden Management has been horrific except for the Gutkowski years. Gorton I believe is a good GM. Sather was horrible except for Mcdonough. It is a long season.......

vcp1994


Fri Dec 2 2016 1:52 pm EST

This coach is Renney part 2. Mr. Cud chewed with no answers when the system is not working. Prucha-ing players until they are useless extra pieces. Putting out the same player-vets- who never perform on the PP, Etc. Etc. Yes he has a nice coaching record in the regular season. So did Roger Nielson and Messier knew they would never win under him. Time will come very soon to make the move. Don't be a coward, fishboy!

NYStranger


Fri Dec 2 2016 1:48 pm EST

Speaking of waivers...Reid BOUCHER on them. He's a very solid player. Wouldn't mind having him on the club. But with PUEMPEL, there's no sense in it.

tdchi


Fri Dec 2 2016 1:46 pm EST

Hospo - you're welcome. But again, tough to call a guy who hasn't skated a game in the AHL in over a year an AHLer without being wrong. I won't argue that Clendening is some sort of great player or Brian Leetch in training. But he's an NHLer. And if the Rangers put him on waivers today, he'd be with another NHL club tomorrow. I'd bet almost anything on it.

tdchi


Fri Dec 2 2016 1:43 pm EST

RF4L - what's the McI treatment? Getting benched because you don't play better than. The other six defensemen on the team? Ironically, CLENDENING had a very McI moment last night...after playing EICHEL very well in the corner, he chased him almost to the blueline and then basically bear-hugged him to the ice for the penalty that lead to the tying goal. And that is why he'll be on the bench next game barring injury. People like to rag on AV around here...some of it I understand...some of it I don't. I got it last year when McI was skating well and was benched for an injured GIRARDI...I don't get it this year, when he slipped back into bad habits and ended up benched....and he's with another organization and still benched.

tdchi


Fri Dec 2 2016 1:14 pm EST

ANother HOME game against CAROLINA tomorrow?? Talk about some weird scheduling..More than likely another snoozer agasint the methodical and non-physical Hurricane..

Hospo


Fri Dec 2 2016 11:47 am EST

So there's not a single coaching resource out there better than AV. Now that's insight!

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 11:43 am EST

I don't think the coach is dumb and I don't think the team sucks. But I do think that they need to play a 200 foot game and make the commitment to do so. I do think that the defense has been exposed over the last couple weeks as barely being able to move the puck out of the zone quickly and efficiently and not terribly efficient at winning one on one battles along the boards. This is not easy for any team to do, but the Rangers getting pinned in their own zone for extended periods of time tells you all you need to know about it. Lots of time in the D zone and lots of icings. Now they are blocking a lot of shots and circling the wagons pretty effectively, but it looks a lot like the Tortorella days when they do.

Bob


Fri Dec 2 2016 11:38 am EST

Some really smart and spot on words by STEP on what has been ailing the Rangers over the last 7-10 games or so..The thing is, it was expected....Coaching and scouting in the NHL is too good to have expected otherwise,,You knew teams were going to tighten up their defense and find a way to protect those long stretch passes and quick breakouts....Not all the time, of coures, but most....And, as Step finally said last night, but has been said on here and other places for quite awhile, it would be up to the Ranger COACHES and players to react and change to beat the opposition strategies...Neither the game plan nor the effort/physical desire has been there...Too oftne Rnger players like Hayes, Zucc, others are just looking for the pretty goals..AIn't gonnna do it son.......ANd I'm not that sure thye have the players tbat will be willing to change their mindset do it....We'll see....Yes, ZIBA and BUCH will help, they will bring more skill back..and a few more wuicj strike goals.., but not the needed jam...Eventually, some shakeup will be necessary..JMWO...

Hospo


Fri Dec 2 2016 10:47 am EST

Your a knucklehead ....Gallant...oh boy...another proven regular season coach. I think we have a regular season coach. anyone else???

vcp1994


Fri Dec 2 2016 10:39 am EST

IMO, a good for check beats the Rangers.. Pin back their d, you pin back their game... Seems like there's no plan b or c... If you got to grunt it out, be it along the boards or other, you take what they give you or what you can get until you can create plan A... Rangers execution of plan b c sucks, and that's on the coach.... Jmhon

mf


Fri Dec 2 2016 10:25 am EST

vcp: There's no coach out there according to who? You? Huh? Gerald Gallant, who was a candidate for coach of the year last year is 'out there'. I mean, really?

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 10:23 am EST

Who will be the next coach, there is no one out there. It is a long season. GET A LIFE.

vcp1994


Fri Dec 2 2016 9:05 am EST

All signs as usual point to the coach's lack of leadership and discipline. He's not dumb but he does fall into stupidity in his actions . I get the feeling he gives them way too many instructions to the point of confusion and hesitation on the part of his players . They seem to ignore instincts and worry to much about "reads"....whatever the reasons are for the actions not to be acceptable enough, it's mainly up to ass vipe to correct. I get missing ZBAD and buekbitch but I don't sense any urgency . But of course most know I don't think he's a good enough head coach. And he has proven that when the playoffs come around. I hope I'm wrong but so far he's proven me mostly right.

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:54 am EST

To me it's relatively simple - the Rangers need to start chipping the puck in more often and forecheck. It's not very glamorous, nor is it overly exciting. And oftentimes it's bruising, painful work. Do they have the roster to do that, however? This team may not have any bruisers on it, but other than Zuke, who normally isn't a shrinking violet, is big so one could argue they do. Perhaps a better question is do they have the willingness to do that? I'm not saying all the time, but when the stretch passes and the stickhandling isn't working, that's what you need to do.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:49 am EST

Vic: IMO, save for a few stretches (re Nash in the 2nd half of the Cane game) everyone's guilty of the stuff you raise with Miller, Hayes and Kreider. The former 2 really stand out, however, because until this stretch they were playing so well.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:43 am EST

WIOSA: Agreed. Clearly, AV isn't coaching the team to sit on its heels. I'm not sure what he's telling them to do now that their run/gun style is being countered. What did he tell them last year when they were so putrid so often? Certainly not to be putrid so often. It seems clear to me whatever he's selling, his charges aren't buying. The lack of a true number 1 center is a problem IMO. Look how Nash took the team on his shoulders in the 2nd half of the Cane game - that's what a true high end number 1 center does on a regular basis on winning clubs. We have Z (who absence many are saying is too blame for this swoon - meanwhile, he was a 20 goal pace when he went down) and Stepan. It's an issue that's never been address since Messier's hay days. It's not the only reason for these issues but it's a part of it. Yes just MWFO.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:35 am EST

RF4L, I agree wholeheartedly with your assesment. There was no NZT tonight. Buffalo (thank the gods) doesnt employ it. It was a game we shouldve won. I do notice that what has returned is the feeling of "playing out the clock" when they have a lead. It permeates their entire style of play - "just get the puck the hell out of our zone" rather than take it down agressively (like Grabner did) and go for it. You cant win like this. It also signals the other team that you are 'running scared' and the game is theirs to lose. A recipe for failure. Now I like AV, he actually promotes a style of game that I like (run and gun) with minimal fighting (I do feel we need to stand up for ourselves and our team from time to time, unlike AV). That said, this is a team with a lot of new faces, the only real constant is AV. Is he coaching this type of game? Maybe he needs to take a hard look at himself. Just, as always MHO

WIOSA


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:34 am EST

Nobody has defended and supported HAYES here more then me over the last 3 seasons but he has played like shit over the last few weeks. Really ever since he blocked that shot a few weeks ago. From camp up to that time he was skating hard, making good reads and playing well in all three zones. Since then he looks more like the HAYES of last year. I see way too much floating and way too much of him fleeing the zone early. He also isn't hitting anymore after he had done more hitting early in the year. And worst of all he looks gassed all of the time again. Did he gain those 20 pounds back? Has his conditioning slipped since the start of the season because he isn't getting to work out as much? I don't know but I put him right there with the rest of them who aren't playing well right now. MILLER has dropped off. STEPAN and MZA haven't played well. KREIDER hasn't been the same since he went down with the neck issue early in the season. GRABNER has come back down to earth (we knew that was going to happen). HANK has been inconsistent at best. And all of those lucky bounces that were going their way early in the season are going against them now. It is a long season. There will be ups and downs. But the struggles that this team has had over the last few weeks belong on everyone's shoulders including the coaching staff.

Vic


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:31 am EST

Apparently AV said the 3rd was acceptable because it was better than the 2nd. Meanwhile, in the 3rd the Rangers had like 1 shot in a 12 minute stretch. Ridiculous. I won't miss AV much when he's gone - I find him extremely difficult to like as a coach.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:25 am EST

Out attempted 45 22 over periods 2 and 3. Again.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:23 am EST

Stepan, of course, is correct when he says teams have adjusted to the Rangers run and gun start and now it's time the Rangers adjusted. Can they is the pertain question. We'll see soon enough.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 8:20 am EST

Why do I get the feeling the coach and the leadership of this team won't be able to do much to change the course? Am I being overly pessimistic? Perhaps - chalk that up to my always lurking, impossible to banish rangeritis. I also saw this team funk out so frequently last year and it's the same coach and leadership core in both situations. The bright side here is this team is better than last year's edition due to, among other things, Vesey, Hayes' maturation, Buch, Z and the departure of Boyle.

RF4L


Fri Dec 2 2016 7:41 am EST

Zuccarello is a heart and soul player but maybe his heart is not in it anymore . He did some complaining before the season started about the organization trading away his best friends (Brass and Hagelin). Well it's time to get over it and play like the Zucc we all have come to appreciate.It just seems to me he's going through the motions and every once in a while the old Zucc shows up.

tlats


Fri Dec 2 2016 6:56 am EST

“The reason is two-fold,” coach Alain Vigneault said following the morning skate. “There is no doubt in my estimation that Kleiner can play better, and since losing Mika [Zibanejad], we’re missing a righthand shot on the power play. “I thought it was time to give Adam a look on defense and the power play. He did a good job for us early on and in training camp.”

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 4:59 am EST

“We did a lot of really good things in the first and then for whatever reason we came out in the second and played defense the whole time,” Stepan said. “Then we came in here after the second, said all the right things, and then we sat back and played on our heels for just about the whole third period. We have to figure this out.” The longer this continues, the greater the chance defensive-zone coverage will dissolve, as it did on Brian Gionta’s 2-2 tying goal at 9:48 of the second. The longer this continues, the five- and six- and seven-goal explosions will recede in memory and into the rearview. For the reality is that the Rangers haven’t played well for a spell. And, according to Stepan’s even-headed analysis, their issues won’t be remedied by flipping a switch. “It’s not going to happen overnight,” he said. “It took some time to fall into this and it’s going to take some time to get out of it.”

stevielegs


Fri Dec 2 2016 4:56 am EST

“I’d say it goes back even 10 games,” Derek Stepan told The Post after his team’s fifth loss (3-4-1) in the last eight matches. “I don’t know if it’s that we’re not in our structure, or we’re making bad reads, or a combination of things. I don’t know what the answer is. “I do know that we built an identity for ourselves and teams understand that they can’t afford turnovers against us, so they’re getting it in and forcing us to come the full length. They’re making us do what we want to force teams to do, which is defend. “Teams are ready for us,” said No. 21. “They’ve adjusted. Now we have to.”

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 11:19 pm EST

TDCHI - Thanks for your almighty permission....If he's been claimed so many times it also means he's been thrown out as trash for nothing in return the same amount of times....The last two years he he's played 55 AHL games, 50 NHL games,,...so.....dtraw your own conclusions..I'll draw mine....Fringe/bubble AHL/NHL player nothing more..

Hospo


Thu Dec 1 2016 11:13 pm EST

TD: Yes the Rangers blew it. Just like they blew each game they've lost this year and all the games they lost last year. Depends, clearly, on your perspective. Not saying it was you, but 2 games ago the blame for the loss was on the Rangers inability or refusal to counter the trap. No trap tonight. Just a team that out-skated and out-worked the Rangers. Mind you, those teams that trap successfully one could argue also out-worked them.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 11:04 pm EST

Clendenning is a bubble player (N/AHL) so far in his career. Given his track record, he's closer to being an AHLer than an NHLer and if AV continues to McI him, it's only a matter of time before that distinction is finalized.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 11:02 pm EST

The game: Purely on Hank. Rangers didn't help him much, but the Sabres only scored two good goals. And they were even that great. Goals one and three were about as awful as they come. Just Hank being stupid. And who's saying the Sabres are more talented?!? Really?!? Good young team. LOTS of warts. Weak D. They controlled play at points, but the Sabres' main strength was the Rangers' weakness. And that was a shakey goaltender, a team that has continued to look disjointed without Z and BUCHNEVICH, and a seventh defenseman who tried to make a statement against the wrong friggin' guy...and thus showing why he'a the seventh defenseman. Sabres didn't win that game as much as the Rangers blew it. Blew it big time.

tdchi


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:56 pm EST

Hospo - you can disagree. You can also point to water and call it land. Sorry bud, but as much as you'd like to characterize CLENDENING as an AHLer, you don't end up getting claimed by as many teams as he has by being one. Reason he's with the Rangers is the thought and still think he's NHL-caliber. If it helps you any, I'll agree that he's a conundrum. Five teams and counting haven't been able to find a niche for him. But that's five teams that thought enough to either trade for, claim or sign him. You can disagree all you want, but thems the facts...re: GILMOUR - we agree to disagree. Probably the best-rounded mobile defender the Rangers have in Hartford. But if you want to look at +/- and call him a scrub, have at it. Only time will tell.

tdchi


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:40 pm EST

BTW, posted it earlier - the Rangers were not trapped tonight. They were out-skated basically all over the ice.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:32 pm EST

Hospo: LOL on Pimple - wonder if he's gonna bitch to the press when he's back on waivers?

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:30 pm EST

PJ - Obviously, I agree on Zucc also..and he was the same last year...

Hospo


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:29 pm EST

Some softies by The King but, as they have been for about 6 of the last 8 games, the Ranger forwards pranced and were outworked and outperformed by the opposition forwards,,..That's coaching............I'll admit I only watched bits and pieces of another NHL Ranger borefest but ............I saw a few shifts of the 4th line--man PIMPLE and LINDBERGER suck..speaking of sucking, when the hell is ZUccarello gonna get his head out of his ass??? And he's not the only one....TDCHI - Mind if I disagree with your "facts"?? IMO, Clendenning is a stiff unless he has open ice on the PP, otherwise a frightened rabbitt...GILMOUR is even worse...pathetic on defense even in the AHL

Hospo


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:26 pm EST

PJ:Agreed on Zuke - I called him out in the Cane game. IMO, he's better off on a team with who already can score. Imagine, for example, him on the Sharks? I like this guy but to me he's expendable if the return is worthy.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:21 pm EST

Had to give Clendening a start....Hank was awful but says to give Sabres credit...Too much time in our end....First goal was a bad bounce...Ok Hank, we will do better for you next time.....What the hell is with wrong with Zucc...He needs to sit for a game....

PJ


Thu Dec 1 2016 10:16 pm EST

NYRs: This season is looking like a REPEAT of last season.... Lundquvist giving up 1 to 2 easy goals a night. inconsistent effort and unwillingness to pay the price along the boards and in front of the net, and disappearing act by Kreider again... I realize the NYRs are a decent team but their time on top of the Metro standings will be short lived

schneidw


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:59 pm EST

Sooooooooo....were the Rangers just beaten by a younger, faster and collectively more skilled team?

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:58 pm EST

mf: LOL...sounds like one your visions! Stepan for Ellis and a pick...last summer. Now it'll be Stepan and a pick for Ellis. That contract is ridiculous.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:55 pm EST

and I thought you were going to structure a trade starting with Stepan, next years 1st, the following years 1st, and an NHL player for Taveras................

mf


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:51 pm EST

Stepan is steadily becoming more and more untradeable.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:49 pm EST

And yep, injuries were a factor. Now, let's look at those injuries: A center who's never scored more the 23 goals in the league and a rookie who wasn't exactly counted on to be a difference maker to start with. Yes both are missed. But to excuse yet another game where the team is out-played overall is just that IMO - an excuse.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:49 pm EST

1-2chacha cha

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:47 pm EST

Mmm...I don't concur it's on Hank. At least not alone. Yep, he let in 2 softies but he also made at least 10 grade A saves. The Sabre goalie was forced to make maybe, at best, half that. This loss is, IMO, on the whole team.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:39 pm EST

This ones on Lundqvist.

ColoradoMark


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:39 pm EST

Relax people. Again, your number one center is out, your top 6 forward is out. Your other top center Stepan is having another bad year and Krider is ... MIA.. Don't worry about Hank. He will rebound again. Worry about $6.5 per year, wasted on Stepan... Until Z-man is back, Rangers will be playing at around 500 mark. Win two, loose two.. Win one, loose one.

andrei


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:37 pm EST

Hank is bordering on Pathetic..................I hear Fleury is available !

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:36 pm EST

Eichel is a beast.Rangers chasing the puck

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:36 pm EST

Win one, lose one, win one, lose one. Back to 2015

WIOSA


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:34 pm EST

The NYR forwards looked shellshocked after those two softies by Hank. I can't say that I blame them. Does Hank really need to team to score 5 goals every night to win?

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:34 pm EST

Outworked, out-goalied and defeated. They look a lot like a .500 team lately.

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:34 pm EST

Bad loss this was

tlats


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:33 pm EST

Win one lose one

tlats


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:30 pm EST

The Sabres are notorious for not being able to score, that's how bad this is.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:29 pm EST

AV chewing that gum. Good job!

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:26 pm EST

4 more after this year

tlats


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:25 pm EST

pull Henrik....put in fuckin Benoit Allaire

TradeStar28


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:24 pm EST

Dan "The Turnstile" Girardi

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:24 pm EST

$8,500,000 for how many more years??

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:24 pm EST

Hank has been out of position A TON tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:23 pm EST

Rangers suck...

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:21 pm EST

After a dive by Eichel.

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:21 pm EST

Agree another softie

tlats


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:20 pm EST

Really Henrik? That's 2 softies tonight.

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:20 pm EST

That was a soft goal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:15 pm EST

Tirefire time....

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:47 pm EST

Rhet......It was probably part of his Prom Suit

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:44 pm EST

Rhet......It was probably part of his Prom Suit

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:34 pm EST

Vesey with good defensive play tonight

tlats


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:33 pm EST

BTW buffalo not trapping. Just out skating the rangers. ..

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:32 pm EST

RangerLou... Thrift Store? Duguay looks like he's had some of those jackets since the 70's. My guess is he's waiting for them to come back in style.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:30 pm EST

Don't agree Staal's goal was soft. Buffalo's first goal was tho...

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:24 pm EST

When Staal stings you that hurts more then normal. They get their softie back.

E


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:24 pm EST

Did anyone check the temperature in Heill? Marc Staal just scored :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:24 pm EST

GOOOOAAAAALLLL! !!!!!!!! Stall

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:23 pm EST

Ok. More chaos in ranger end now...

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:23 pm EST

Staal man

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:23 pm EST

Nice goal by STAAL, Love It!!!!

hipcheck


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:23 pm EST

Rangers are great!

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:22 pm EST

The KING playing a little out of control tonight. Flopping around way out of the net.

hipcheck


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:22 pm EST

Rangers are being seriously outworked.

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:21 pm EST

AV sucks too...shakes his head. That's his answer.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:21 pm EST

That was an instance where we really should have been blocking some shots.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:20 pm EST

Rangers suck....

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:17 pm EST

NASH!!!!!!!!!!!!

hipcheck


Thu Dec 1 2016 8:17 pm EST

Nash pp 2

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:58 pm EST

What thrift store does Dugay get his jackets from?

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:42 pm EST

The Sabres are another team that the NYR struggle with at times.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:41 pm EST

Yeah Ryan

WIOSA


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:37 pm EST

NASH with 2 violent retaliatory cross checks to that Dude's back. Wow a little mean streak.

hipcheck


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:37 pm EST

It's a Power Play GOOOOAAAAALLL

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:37 pm EST

Captain zero one

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:37 pm EST

What a Captain !!!!

stepunmytoe


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:32 pm EST

Really. Fast needs to be on the 4th. ALWAYS!!!!

stepunmytoe


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:29 pm EST

Jesus H Christ .........what the hell is Grabner doing on the 4th line. Has AV lost his marbles all together ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:28 pm EST

Sabres think Lundqvist is shaky. They're firing everything at him. With or without traffic. New York Rangers not getting pucks deep. The Sabres are stacking 3-across on their blue line. Just another game where you're gonna have to chip and chase. Gotta want it more.

E


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:23 pm EST

Jasper is back in the top 6. Vigneault cannot help himself.

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:19 pm EST

So we know Kane will score tonight. Thanks, Joe, for constantly pointing out the underachievers on air!

ColoradoMark


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:13 pm EST

I just spilled my General Chow chicken all over myself.

rangerlou


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:12 pm EST

Nothing like starting the game by allowing a 100 footer.

Bob


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:12 pm EST

Wordt start to a game in the long history of the new york rangers. Kreider with a concussion a few seconds in. Then Lunqvist gives up one of tbe work goals of his career. Worst start ive ever seen. Unbelievable.

hipcheck


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:11 pm EST

Hanky panky 18 seconds great start

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:11 pm EST

Way to go Hank

tlats


Thu Dec 1 2016 6:55 pm EST

so ass vipe needed a rh pp guy to fill in for z bad, clenthen is his choice...only took him 1 week or so after lb cattle prodded the the gum chewing cow....after lb came here.....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 6:26 pm EST

is Calvin Klein injured or just being rested ?

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 6:25 pm EST

TD.... I agree. Clendening can be a solid bottom 4 guy if he get's the opportunity to play more (see: Holden)... Also: I said before the season that we need to move Klein now. Everyone loves him, but his breakdowns will only continue. JMO of course.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 1 2016 5:16 pm EST

If the Rangers come out soft tonight, they'll be in trouble I suspect. Jack Eichel returned the other game and that's inspired the Sabres.

RF4L


Thu Dec 1 2016 4:22 pm EST

Re: CLENDENING - He's NOT and AHL defenseman. He's been in the NHL consistently now...he's also one of the leading reasons McILRATH ain't on the team any more...that the Rangers saw enough in him that they felt assured they wouldn't need Mack if someone in their top six went down...the thing is, Clendening is a seventh defender. He's been a seventh defender now with five different organizations...enough talent to fill in, not enough to stay in. The guy just turned 24, so there's always a chance everything clicks...he's a very solid player and a guy who, when he was with the Blackhawks organization, I talked up quite a bit. Thought he could end up being a 40-point player...but for whatever reason, he hasn't been able to break the top six on any team...and that's including the 2015-2016 Oilers, who basically skated a bunch of scrubs and rookies on their blueline last year...couple of the more visited Ranger bloggers out there are crying about how the Rangers aren't giving him a chance and how they're basically letting him rot...well...who do you take out of the lineup to play this guy? Not HOLDEN, SKJEI or McD...Not STAAL...KLEIN has had a few bad games, but nothing that would warrant a player of his ilk coming out of the lineup...I mean, I SUPPOSE you could bench GIRARDI for a game, but the guy has actually been playing rather well recently...why would anyone do that? Is the guy going to get out of shape on the bench? Hell no. These guys are race horses...fine-tuned athletes that train something like 10 hours out of every day...but there IS something to be said for game experience...and there's nothing like it. You can drill and exercise all you want...but if you can't get into a game, you're game ain't going to improve and consequently, you're not going to improve your game...Games also impact confidence...you're not going to gain that taking shots on Hank in practice...you're going to get it by playing game minutes...Clendening is in a bind...and just like with McIlrath, it's one of his own doing...he didn't break the top six...again...and now he's on the bench. He'll get his break eventually...and what he does with it then is his choice.

tdchi


Thu Dec 1 2016 3:57 pm EST

Hospo - Wrong on GILMOUR. Very wrong. He may not be ready for the NHL, but he's the type of defenseman that this team is missing.

tdchi


Thu Dec 1 2016 2:25 pm EST

NCR I was a bigger Dick Rash fan, but between his injuries, one year good one year bad, and his playoff disappointing performances, it's why he's not Rick Nash......that guy needs to show up during the season and post season....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 2:16 pm EST

Clendennig IS an AHL D-man...but I guess the best we have right now

Hospo


Thu Dec 1 2016 2:14 pm EST

Hospo is clendenning better than an AHL defenseman ?

KIS


Thu Dec 1 2016 1:56 pm EST

GILMOUR blows also, the only guy that has a remote chance of helping is GRAVES---in time..

Hospo


Thu Dec 1 2016 1:55 pm EST

Yeah, lets insert an AHL d-man! Great depth...

Hospo


Thu Dec 1 2016 1:44 pm EST

I say no. Takes up cap space. If your good enough to play you play if not tough shit A pro should have his. Body conditioned. If you are injured then you sit. And bring somebody up. Clendenning should have never been signed to this team. He is 23 if he isn't playing he isn't improving Graves and gilmour are getting better clendenning isn't

KIS


Thu Dec 1 2016 1:01 pm EST

"&" s/b "7", and givin s/b given

mf


Thu Dec 1 2016 12:59 pm EST

KIS: we just went through a spell where Zbad went down, Buch, out with back spasms, Lindberg (imo) still working his way back with his new Pep Boys Ball joints for hips, Jooris being cleared for contact, Kreider missed a game or two with neck spasms, and ASS-Vipe couldn't dress 7 Defensemen? It was OK to dress & D'men in the playoffs though & go with 11 forwards when McDonagh & his broken foot or the walking Pinada know as Girardi should have been benched..... Point is, Glendenning is the 7th Dman Du-Jour, and the TOI minutes for the defense need to be shared by 7 -8 defensemen givin the amount of minutes the top 4 guys have played these last 3,4, & 5 years........ What say you?

mf


Thu Dec 1 2016 12:52 pm EST

So, CLENDENING in for KLEIN tonight. Certainly KLEIN hasn't played well. But, I have low expectations for CLENDENING since he has basically sat and watched for a month or so. To say that he will probably be a bit "rusty" is a huge understatement.

Vic


Thu Dec 1 2016 11:40 am EST

Hey Stevie, I'm guessing you're not a big fan of Nash?, haha. I don't blame you. I'm not either. I was right behind the Rangers bench in Columbus and this guy in a Swedish Lundquist sweater gave it to him the whole game. The Columbus fans were loving every minute of it....I just looked over to the guy sitting next to me and said, "yeah, we don't care for him much either." Hopefully he has more games like Tuesday night than the typical dud/defensive games his game has transitioned into as of recent times. If so, we'll be better off as a team. I def. think this team will miss Z and Buch during their absence, but I think the absence of Buch hasn't been given as much weight as the Z injury as of late. This kid was just beginning to find his touch and already has 4 goals on the year and has been out the majority of the season. That doesn't even speak to his passing ability which may be among the best on the team (right up there w/ Zuc when he's on top of his game). I really regard him as a top prospect on this team...he reminds me of light version of P.Datysuk. Very creative, nifty/creative passing, and one thing in particular I didn't realize was his stickhandling ability, especially in tight...I think it took him a while to adjust at the beginning, and may again once he returns, but this kid has the ability to be a special player IMHO. Moreso than Kreider, Miller, or Vesey (and they are all very good in their own right). Just the way I feel. No doubt, Z is missed as well for his abilities and the team fully intact and healthy could be a force in a watered down version of non-physical NHL hockey...once the playoffs start though, the real questions begin. I see this team floating around .600 w/o Z and B. With them, I can see them around .750, if the 3 things happen....the goaltending remains strong, the D holds up, and the officiating remains the same (non-physical hockey). My two cents....Vesey in Buff. should be interesting tonight...LGR

NCRanger


Thu Dec 1 2016 9:27 am EST

I understand the thought of trying to keep the. NUmber of games down for a player but this idea that a player has to play because he is on the roster is BS. This is a pro sports team, not a JV high school program. If the person isn't better than those in front of him he sits. At this time clendenning hasn't shown he is better than any of the 6ahead of him. He probably should be with Hartford but the stupid waiver rules don't allow it

KIS


Thu Dec 1 2016 7:48 am EST

moof and no beat writers will directly ask ass vipe, of which there aren't many left.....not a very logical decision on not rotating so g&k can rest, especially in back to back games....and I don't expect captain zero to inquire......maybe the real captain hank needs to speak up, then it might happen......nice of dick rash to reappear, hopefully he has a good year in his 1 good 1 bad mo......so far he's off to a good one....maybe putting the A on him woke him up to choose between assistant or ass......

stevielegs


Thu Dec 1 2016 12:37 am EST

Ass-Vipe, He of the must having RHD & LHD play on their respective sides, that is, until this season, hasn't learned his lesson yet that he must spread & allocate the D'men's minute's because "they will burn out and slow down as the season progresses." And, Stall, Girardi & recently Klein aren't too fleet of foot to begin with.... Ass-Vipe, in Baseball they call it, "Pitch-count."

mf


Wed Nov 30 2016 11:42 pm EST

Moof if he is ass vipe is a bigger jerk than most already think. Why let clen rot on the vine? The guy only uses 7 d at the wrong times...or to cover for capt zero...... he talks about cap space while he wastes it for fishboy with clenthen...guess lb still stops by and reads , to agree in his articles ....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 30 2016 11:34 pm EST

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18162787

stevielegs


Wed Nov 30 2016 10:43 pm EST

SLEGS: LB's article, I wonder if Klein is playing hurt ?

mf


Wed Nov 30 2016 10:24 pm EST

RF: I do believe we have very similar points of view's regarding protecting the players from head injuries. However, as long as it's clean, let these guys hit to hurt from the shoulders down......

mf


Wed Nov 30 2016 10:14 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/30/how-rangers-could-answer-the-big-question-about-their-defense/

stevielegs


Wed Nov 30 2016 9:35 pm EST

mf: LOL...that was less than a half a game - I've seen more than 1/2 the games this year and that was the first time I saw that. Let's see if he brings it more regularly before proclaiming he's taking advantage of Buttman's wussified league (not that I don't agree it's a wussified league now mind you). I'm not really counting on it to be perfectly and pessimistically honest.

RF4L


Wed Nov 30 2016 8:24 pm EST

RF: re: your post of Wed Nov 30 2016 8:30 am EST.... "IMO" it is no coincidence that Nash is feeling his oats as the wussification of the league continues and has reached Nash's comfort level..Flag footbal, no problem, full contact, he'll prance around the perimeter..If Buttman and the Zebras allow for physicality during the playoff's (and we're in them) watch Nash revert to the $7.8mill per defencive specialist.... His Talent was never the issue, willingness to sacrifice the body for the benefit of winning? After the head-nogg, very circumspect....

mf


Wed Nov 30 2016 8:14 pm EST

Yzerman is fortunate to work for a very smart & accomplished man named Jeff Vinik, who surrounds himself with other very smart people.. IMO, Yzerman does not get all the credit....

mf


Wed Nov 30 2016 7:16 pm EST

RF4L- Re: Yzerman, then again, you have a GM who did the unthinkable not once but TWICE...not trading STAMKOS when he was poised to, and by all appearances, determined to go to free agency...and not trading DROUIN, who essentially feuded with the organization from the fall to beyond the deadline...so there was zero saying he had to trade MSL other than MSL himself...he could have easily sat on the guy...wasn't like he was moping at the time of the trade...and the Rangers ended up with the better player going into the playoffs...no doubt, the price was high for a guy who wanted to finish his career in NYC...but if you consider that the alternative was that Yzerman didn't need to trade him at all and could have carried a very good player into the first round of the playoffs? Well, Sather paid one first rounder and CALLAHAN for MSL...consider the other first rounder as compensation for the Bolts essentially giving up the likelihood of winning much beyond the first round.

tdchi


Wed Nov 30 2016 3:37 pm EST

Andrei- Agreed, and I think even -- much -- more important than having good scouting is having a good procedure for developing and introducing these kids to the NHL. Good teams develop good players. Like some teams hit and miss with like 3 of 4 very very promising looking kids. When was like the last time we had a good prospect that failed to develop well?? Guys like Miller, Hayes, Buch, Vesey, Miller, Dubi, Anisimov and so forth and so forth just develop a lot better than expected here. Since Jessiman, I think McIlrath is the only exception to the rule. But OTOH -- I think we did a good job with McI up until the NHL, where Girardi more or less are blocking him. Anyway....

Ola


Wed Nov 30 2016 3:36 pm EST

Andrei: Yes, that's a valid argument. It's still dangerous to trade away all those picks. What needs to be considered is the fact that for the most part, it's a little early for the big club to be experiencing the repercussions of having no firsts for the past 4 drafts and missing out on 2 or 3 seconds in that time. The Pack, however, are starting to experience it. Flatly put, they aren't very good. The team is young but cannot produce offense. Nor is their goaltending very good. That issue looks like it won't go away anytime soon or even get worse when you look what's in the amateur ranks for the organization. Not very much. Hopefully, Gorton, who surely must be cognizant of the growing issue, has it in his plans to start to address it which I think securing that 2nd rounder from Ottawa in the Z deal is all about.

RF4L


Wed Nov 30 2016 3:23 pm EST

Another player who impressed last night was Fast.....Worked his arse off and battled for every loose puck....He was frustrating the Cane D....

PJ


Wed Nov 30 2016 2:00 pm EST

andrei-some excellent points

puckyou


Wed Nov 30 2016 1:50 pm EST

RF4L, i think i brought this up before. I love having first round picks just like everyone else. I think they are important to the overall team building structure. That's said, they are not the most important aspect of it. To me, a top notch scouting department is the most important ingredient. I think Rangers have it. As long as year after year, there is someone to step in to the lineup, who is not expensive, in terms of salary, then mission is accomplished. That someone could either be someone that team gotten in a trade, someone sighed as a free agent, or someone who was developed internally, like a home grown prospect. If team consistently does it year after year, then team will always be in a good shape. Obviously, 1st round picks have a better chance making the team. Based on pure mathematics, it is a moot point to argue. That's said, 1st round picks needs be considered as assets. Like any asset, GM will use them as he sees fit. He can trade them or let them come up thought the ranks. They are untouchables on the cup contenting team. Chicago is a perfect example to my point. Year after year, they use assets to get what they need to give them a better chance to win. Let's look at the Rangers. I think we have a top notch scouting department. You can argue that MSL trade was a horrible venture based on the assets exchange that Tampa had gotten. I will argue that without MSL, we wouldn't have maid it to the Cup finals and would not have maid it to the Eastern Finals the following year. I will also argue that have we not have gone to the Cup finals, we wouldn't had signed Kevin Hayes as a UFA. I think without MSL, team would have lost to Pittsburgh in the 2nd round. I can't see a reason on why Kevin Hayes would have signed, had he not seeing that he is going to be part of the Cup contending team. I think that Kevin Hayes is better then anyone we would have drafted in 2014 and 2015 drafts. So to me, MSL + Hayes > then 2014/2015 first round picks. Now to the Nash's trade. Nash's trade brought brought back a 3rd rounder, which was used to draft Buchnevich. Without Nash, no cup run either. As a fan, picks/shmiks vs a cup run?? I'l take a cup run any time... Yandle trade. No Yandle, no Eastern Cup Finals run. We had to give up the pick, due to Phoenix picking up part of the Yandle's salary. Back my original point. You need to have the top notch scouting department. Good scouting brought in Nick Holden, Mika Zibanejad, Michael Grabner, Jimmy Vesey. Jimmy Vesey wouldt signed if not for Hayes . So if you can substitute one asset with another asset that has similar value or greater value, team overall will be fine....

andrei


Wed Nov 30 2016 1:31 pm EST

Duclair-20 games-1G, 3A

puckyou


Wed Nov 30 2016 10:40 am EST

SCHNEIDW - I wanted nothing to do with STALBERG last year but turned out he was about the best and most physical Ranger forward all year...His problem, like usual, was the inability to take advantage of all his chances....I wanted him back this year instead of Grabner..Looks like I was wrong and Grabner is a better fit for the Prancers, but Stalberg is a good fot for the Hurricane and it's a long season......

Hospo


Wed Nov 30 2016 10:00 am EST

That MSL was horrid. Yzerman had but one team to negotiate with and still managed to fleece Sather. That's how desperate Sather was to add another top 6 forward (to compliment Nash). I get the need - because he never landed a true number 1 center, he tried to compensate with a pair of top 6 wingers. MSL wasn't that player anymore, try as he might. So be it. But 2 firsts? And Callahan to boot? Ridiculous. Oh well, thankfully he's moved up to an ivory tower and appears to be on the outside now. Other than the E Staal deal, I'm ok with how his successor is faring (and I still think Sather had some significant input in the Staal decision - it reeks of his MO).

RF4L


Wed Nov 30 2016 9:54 am EST

TD: Methinks you're giving Sather waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit. Not for a second do I believe he was looking that far ahead in the Nash deal nor the MSL one. I mean the latter he coughed up picks for 2 drafts - to think he was looking 2 drafts ahead and discounting players who might be available in say slots 20 to 30 is for me more a case of a fan defending what his team's GM did than anything else. And if he was, just that's poor management style. For me, it was all Sather recklessly trying to secure a cup win so he could proclaim his extended tenure as the Ranger architect successful. He failed and placed the organization in a tenuous situation because of it from a feeder system perspective, something now more crucial than ever to keep a team competitive year in and year out.

RF4L


Wed Nov 30 2016 9:12 am EST

RF4L - I get that...but what I'm saying is that there's a chance the reason the Rangers DIDN'T trade that SKJEI pick was that they looked at the draft rankings...and who would be available 20th through 30th...let's say guys ranked between 15th and 40th on the charts...and saw enough players they liked that they decided to keep the pick...Remember too, that was the year they did very little to improve a team that very few people figured would make it out of the second round...their big acquisition was John SCOTT...and if I recall, they took a lot of heat from fans for NOT improving the team going into the deadline...Look, I'm just saying I'd almost guarantee the decision to move a first rounder isn't made in a vacuum...that Sather and possibly Gorton did more than just talk to other GMs before reaching that decision. Of course, it's a gamble...and one that to this day could still bite him in the ass...if the Isles end up winning a cup with BEAUVILLIER and HO-SANG, we --and he --won't hear the end of it. But right now, none of those deals are looking as bad as some of us were prognosticating...including myself with the NASH deal...man...with BUCHNEVICH, that deal solidly tips in favor of the Rangers...and oddly enough...the Rangers end up with a pretty highly regarded Finnish defenseman ---Tarmo REUNANEN --in the YANDLE deal...imagine for a second if the Rangers end up with two stars from those deals...not saying it'll happen...but all these moves are a lot more nuanced than I think you or I realize.

tdchi


Wed Nov 30 2016 9:10 am EST

The shot on NASH's Goal was phenomenal, but my favorite part was the one handed stick handling all the way from D-zone, through the NZ right into the O-zone... just incredible. What a Beast!!!!

hipcheck


Wed Nov 30 2016 8:48 am EST

tdchi: You make valid points relative to the draft, but the later round picks and free agents that have made it to the big club have been the result of the current scouting department which was overhauled and improved some time back. We can only speculate on what they might have accomplished if they were dealt a better hand? In any event we have had one of the better teams in the league for some time now and results count, we sometimes forget that 29 out of 30 teams fail to make it every year .It is a zero sum game in that winners must produce losers and we have been on the plus side of the ledger more often than not.

gene_carr


Wed Nov 30 2016 8:30 am EST

Ola: Re enjoy Nash's goal. LOL...true but gotta say that's part of the frustration - he's got that ability in him but when do we see it on such remarkable display? Very rare now. He simply doesn't go end to end with the puck anymore. He's really a down low player offensively now. It's still effective - he's on pace for over 30 goals again - but man oh man what could be, eh? At his age, he is what he is now. I posted last night where you could see a pseudo switch turn on 1/2 way thru a shift (might have been late in the 2nd - I cannot recall) - he went from his typical quiet game where he's responsible defensively but doing little offensively and stick checking to a beast. Obviously, he can still be a very very good player when his mind is in the right place.

RF4L


Wed Nov 30 2016 8:09 am EST

On the State of the Team: From my POV, I just think its important to look at it with a bit of humility. Ottawa as a team has done very well this season, 14 ROW in 23 games. That is very good. They are 3rd of 16 teams in the East. Carolina has not done so well. But still, they have "only" lost 9 of 22 games. Like they only lose 40,9% per cent of their games in regulation. They are one of the worst teams in the East with that number. There is actually not a single team in the East that has lost 50% of their games. I mean that is the new reality in this cap and 3 pt-game world, the worst team might not even lose every other game in regulation. After the Ottawa game, the sentiment around the team was a lot like "WHY DID NOT WE ONLY DO X/Y/Z? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EASY WIN. AV MUUUUUUUUUSSSSTTTT ADOPT HE IS KILLING THE TEAM". In the end, we put 65% more shots on net than Ottawa did. I am not saying that everything is perfect. Definitely not. But Ottawa has the FOURTH most wins in the league for a reason, they do a good job playing that grinding style, and through EK and co they manage to snatch a goal here and there. My point is just, the expectations on this team CANNOT be to beat Carolina easy. Team's don't win games easy on a regular basis in this league. We cannot think like an odd dirty win here and there is OK, but if it becomes the norm then we are in trouble. A team with 10 non-dirty wins in a season in this league should be very happy, most of them will come down to very very small marginals. To beat Ottawa, is not as easy as just "adopting" and starting to dump the puck in or whatever. Its never easy to beat Ottawa. Its never easy to just adopt and start doing something else SUCCESSFULLY.

Ola


Wed Nov 30 2016 7:56 am EST

hip- My thought exactly, saw a rerun of the game this morning. Hahaha what a game by Nash. A lot of things can be said about him about a lot of things, but on a day like that lets just enjoy it! ;)

Ola


Wed Nov 30 2016 6:20 am EST

I just got to see NASH's Goal from last night... "MY GOD"!!! that was a thing of Beauty!! Talk about hands and an extra gear, WOW!!!!

hipcheck


Wed Nov 30 2016 6:11 am EST

This was a singular act of brilliance that rescued the Rangers from the depths of something bigger than a loss, and was more accurately described as a growing weakness. But now, instead of lamenting the Blueshirts’ inability to beat the trap and to grind down teams that play conservative styles, the only spotlight is on Rick Nash.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 30 2016 6:11 am EST

“We changed the breakout in the third period, definitely trying to chip it in,” said Vesey, who now has eight goals in his rookie season, three of them on the power play. “We’ve been talking a lot about shooting the puck more on the power play, because that’s what breaks down penalty kills.”

stevielegs


Wed Nov 30 2016 6:09 am EST

“I sit next to him in the locker room and played several games with him this year now,” said Vesey, who was able to finish a loose puck at the far post after Nash had corralled a rebound and got a good shot off himself. “I think he’s a really big mentor for me and I’m trying to observe him as much as I can.”

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 11:31 pm EST

Stalberg: Kinda feels like revisionist history to me... stating Stalberg's 20 points last season was good considering he was playing on the 4th line seems like a cop out... Stalberg was playing on the 4th line because he wasn't producing when given several opportunities to play on the 2nd and 3rd lines... he was maddeningly inconsistent.. he would give your a super rare productive night like tonight and then disappear for a month... don't miss him at all...

schneidw


Tue Nov 29 2016 11:07 pm EST

Was at the game- Nash was flying in the last half of the game

puckyou


Tue Nov 29 2016 11:04 pm EST

TD: Yes, that point has been argued many times and it does have validity. I still say, however, jettisoning ALL those picks, rather than being more conscious of the possible repercussions, was reckless. Think about this: Skeji, who is now the team's best young d-man, was picked 28th overall the last time the Rangers had a first rounder. Imagine if Sather had started his recklessness a year earlier - no Skeji and probably a long gone veteran, instead. I'd rather have Skeji!!!

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 11:00 pm EST

RF4L - Not to jump back into it with you over draft picks being tossed away in bad deals...but I think one of the things you don't really take into consideration with the lion's share of those deals is where the Rangers were projected to pick in each of those drafts, the strength of each respective draft class and the Rangers ongoing success with picking in the middle rounds...Think about this: Really the only pick the Rangers moved that had a good chance of being in the top 15 in a strong draft was the first-rounder they dealt for NASH...the team was a bubble team at the time and I don't think there were many of us that felt otherwise before or after the deal...and that draft was pretty deep. Lots of solid players went after 15...but ironically, in moving that pick(Kirby RYCHEL, who now languishes with the Marlies), the ended up with the BUCHNEVICH pick, which ended up being almost as good as anything that was taken...but all the other first rounders? They were traded away when perhaps the highest the Rangers would climb in the draft was in the low 20s...In 2014, draft wasn't particularly strong after the first 20...2015 was a bit better...but still not seeing many game changers in the group picked after 20...And this year? I don't see anything different...probably was about as week a draft as 2014...so what I'm saying is that I think when you blast Sather/the Rangers for trading away these picks...at least in the instance of the YANDLE and ST. LOUIS deals, you have a tendency to forget they have a fairly good idea of where they're going to be picking and also the type of player that will likely be available then...sure, it's a gamble...but if your scouts are telling you that there isn't anything special after the 20th overall...and they're also telling you that the guys you can grab with a third or fourth rounder will probably project just about as far as those guys you can grab with a late first or late second... and that pick can get you a player that might...MIGHT win you a Stanley Cup...do you take that gamble? Answer for Sather was obviously yes. And so far, it's looking like those deals are going to be a push because neither the Rangers or the teams that ended up with the picks look like they have much of anything...the closest we have to an NHL player from ALL those picks(and I include the STAAL and CLOWE deals here as well) is the Isles' Anthony BEAUVILLIER...and if the Rangers WEREN'T regularly graduating players to the NHL, you'd almost have me sold on this notion that the cupboard is bare...and that it's all the fault of this casual frittering away of picks...but we've been saying for YEARS now the cupboard is bare...and yet every year there's another couple of rookies breaking in with the Rangers. So I guess I'm a little befuddled by how this topic always ends up coming back up...but I figured maybe I'd try to make you see it in a different, more holistic light...that Sather has made educated bets that have, so far, broken even at their worst.

tdchi


Tue Nov 29 2016 10:55 pm EST

Vesey is interesting to watch. He's starting to add puck movement and passing to his game. The skillset is so obvious and IMO it's only a matter of time before that part of his game comes.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 10:27 pm EST

PJ - Totally agree. And forgot about VESEY. Very strong game from kid. Glad he tossed the monkey.

tdchi


Tue Nov 29 2016 10:27 pm EST

IMO, the Rangers won in large part on Nash's 3rd period effort. He led them IMO. What's so damn maddening about that is how infrequently we see this from him. It's funny - it's like a switch turned on 1/2 thru one his shifts. I watched him due his usual reaching stick check crap when he could have hit the Cane, then suddenly as his shift ends, he hits another guy at the blueline on a play that took more effort to hit than the first one, if he'd actually through a hit. Weird.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 10:27 pm EST

Couple thoughts on the game: Man, did this one feel like the 2015-2016 Rangers for a while...really until the third...guys looked SLOOOOW...I'd love to say going through the motions, but even that looks quicker than the Rangers for most of the first two periods...and then there's the pass-first bug that seems to be biting again...especially before NASH tied it up, which was just absolutely perplexing...and even the white-knuckle finale...But credit where credit is due, they woke up and had one hell of a third period...I know the HAINSEY penalty really won it for them...allowed them to settle down and really set up the PP...but that penalty came after some really good sustained pressure...Still, my thought remains that the Rangers will continue to look much as they did last year until they get ZIBANEJAD back...and at 100 percent...Players of the game: Probably the best game I've seen NASH play in blue...just engaged the ENTIRE game...never let his foot off the gas. Even when the rest of the team was dragging, he was playing hard...I don't know if that's because Carolina is a fairly a-physical team or if he had an extra helping of Wheaties this morning...but THAT Rick Nash is the one you pay $7.5 million for. Boy, if he could finally string together a few weeks like that...HAYES, again, had a very strong game even though he couldn't win a faceoff and didn't do squat in the points category...but again...a player very engaged in the game...Add my voice to the echo chamber about HOLDEN. He's looking like a steal for a fourth rounder...player I didn't figure would even make it into 50 games this season...but he's probably the third-best D on the team right now after McD and SKJEI...speaking of D....we talk about game-changing moments, STAAL blocking a shot in the crease and then sweeping the puck out of harm's way was a turning point...probably THE turning point in the game...FAST also had a very strong game...and LINDBERG, while not great, was just what the doctor ordered on fourth line...still not quite sure how he ended up in the sin bin for 2 minutes...All-in-all, I'd say we better get used to games like this...ones that could break either way depending on luck and tenacity...Rangers without two of the more talented guys and down their top center are going to need to gut out wins. Ain't gonna be easy either...but if they can play .600 hockey until mid January, they'll be sitting pretty come the playoffs.

tdchi


Tue Nov 29 2016 10:18 pm EST

Nice comeback....One of Nash's best games as a Ranger....Hayes, Vesey and Hank were good also....

PJ


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:59 pm EST

get your papa johns tomorrow.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:54 pm EST

The just interviewed Ron Hainsley after the game on the Canes TV feed........what a weird bird he is.....said that McDonagh fell

TradeStar28


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:51 pm EST

WIOSA: GMTA ?

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:51 pm EST

Brady Skjei is putting together a fine season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:45 pm EST

nice to show up in the 3rd after mostly the rope a dope 1st and 2nd...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:40 pm EST

Does anyone want to make the argument that AV cannot adjust? 2-things: they started using all kinds of set break outs. 3-man triangles etc... best way to bust the trap with the puck on the stick is to isolate a defender. And they started chipping pucks and getting them. And all credit goes to Nash because he seem to just want it so much more then the rest of the team. Oh, and thanks Hainsey. 2-points for the New York Rangers all on you.

E


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:39 pm EST

This team is going to give me a stroke

rangerlou


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:38 pm EST

U know whats impressive? How quickly Nash removes his mouthguard when he scores a goal.......Freakish talent

TradeStar28


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:33 pm EST

Whew....

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:32 pm EST

Nash is playing his best game in a while. All three zones. He came out in the third ready to go.

E


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:31 pm EST

Hang on guys...

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:29 pm EST

MF GMTA

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:28 pm EST

schneidw: .25 ppg avg, what do you expect from a 4th line player & at a cap hit of < $1 mill per?

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:26 pm EST

Schneider he was a fourth liner...a decent player with a good attitude and CHEAP. Yay jimmy

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:26 pm EST

Things happen when VZ and Nash play together. I've been pining for it to happen for a while. Finally this stubborn bastard goes back to it tonight.

stepunmytoe


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:25 pm EST

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....this league really is amateurish sometimes....

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:21 pm EST

STALBERG: 9 goals and 11 assists in 75 games last year.... hard to replace that production (NOT)... he was terrible...

schneidw


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:15 pm EST

Good on Lindbergh. Of course, with AV it means the pressbox next game! Whistle to whistle boys!!!

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:12 pm EST

Veektor, turning it up again, but wait he's a terrible skater.... gmab

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:11 pm EST

Is Chris Kreider playing tonight?

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:04 pm EST

Very encouraging to see Hayes stepping it up. Nothing's finishing here for him but he's generating chances offensively. He's really noticeable.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:01 pm EST

Nash has 10goals and I think 6 assists. Not too shabby

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:59 pm EST

Trade: LOL...he's been playing lately like a lot of his teammates: Like Mashed Potatoes!

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:57 pm EST

A Nash appearance!! Holy crap....

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:57 pm EST

Nash Potatoes!

TradeStar28


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:38 pm EST

Stalberg stempi et al not needed here...ass vipe knows it all... can't win it all....gum chew on...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:35 pm EST

When the coach insists the gm get him one type of player they become one dimensional

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:34 pm EST

Anyone is better than Lindberg....He blows....

PJ


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:32 pm EST

4 sog 17 minutes great possession game ... not

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:30 pm EST

I'm developing a man crush on Holden. Man has he turned it around since way back in pre-season. By the way I like Jooris much more than Lindberg for the 4th even though it don't mean much. More physical.

stepunmytoe


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:30 pm EST

They continue to not dump and chase

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:28 pm EST

Barto....Kreider not a captain either....

PJ


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:26 pm EST

Goals came too easy....Rangers having trouble working for them when forced to.....Agree on Klein....Horrible start to season....Step, Nash and Zucc need to pick it up.....

PJ


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:25 pm EST

Wow, what a response to their go-ahead goal! Kinda like their response to the start of the game. Good job again by the coach and the leaders!

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:23 pm EST

Holden on....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AREppyQf5uw

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:22 pm EST

Is it just me or is being captain to much for mcdun he was much better before he got the c. Krieds should get the c. He had the ability to change the complexion of a game the way he hits.

barto


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:18 pm EST

step: 100% agreed.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:17 pm EST

Wow...very nice by Holden...

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:16 pm EST

GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:13 pm EST

Does Captain Mac ever hit the net ? It's why I'm baffled as to why he is always on the PP.

stepunmytoe


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:06 pm EST

Capt zero comes up zero

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 8:03 pm EST

Injuries or not. Rangers with much more talent than this team. Coaching and leadership is guilty.

stepunmytoe


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:59 pm EST

Veen-merd inspires his former players more than his current ones. Not a good sign.

Punchrolfe


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:48 pm EST

Rhet: Don't blame him at all. Note that having Stalberg would do anything to address this problem, which started before the team went out west and is getting progressively worse and equally, if not moreso, worrisome is that it's looking so much like so many games last year. Must be keeping Gorther up at nights.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:46 pm EST

Nash for Stalberg straight up. LOL Another fuggin joke of a start. Bench captain un emotional and send a message.

barto


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:45 pm EST

RF4L.... They didn't. They wanted him to wait until they could clear out some cap room(a la Pirri), but he didn't want to wait. I guess he was worried that if things fell through that he would have to take a lot less somewhere else. I guess I can understand that.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:45 pm EST

MF ^5,,,,RF4L there are so many playing rote out there it's hard to pick just one. What the hell is wrong with Klein? He's my favorite D, thought he was in a funk, is it going to last the whole sesaon?

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:44 pm EST

Fuck Viktor stalberg

TradeStar28


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:42 pm EST

Gotta say, when this team goes off to sleep one of the most invisible players is Zuke.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:39 pm EST

that s/b "knew"

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:38 pm EST

WIOSA; you, Hospo, me, and others. The guy hustled, hit, fellow swede to Hank & Fast, good team guy, new the club, added to the chemistry, comes at the right price, excellent depth signing...... shoulda, woulda, coulda.......

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:36 pm EST

I never understood why the Rangers passed Stalberg by after his good season last year. That said, skating isn't exactly his forte and it's quite likely AV didn't want him back.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:36 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/major-loss-for-hot-hurricanes-as-staal-out-indefinitely-with-concussion

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:36 pm EST

Missed the first 16 minutes wafj 2-0 ... redux

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:34 pm EST

this team is not good for my Blood pressure. I would like to take the time to say right now, that I was one of the ones that wanted Viktor resigned.

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:34 pm EST

Re: Veektor, what a low risk signing he was.. Hindsight? Nah

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:34 pm EST

Bawawawwawawawwawawawwawawawa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding me???????

rangerlou


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:33 pm EST

E: Many teams are suffering from similar injuries. This effort IMO has nothing to do with that and all to do with what this club is about. At least right now what they're all about.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:32 pm EST

Veektor 2, Rangers 0

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:32 pm EST

OMG, this is looking more and more like last year.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:32 pm EST

LOLOLOL....now what AV?

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:27 pm EST

Skating mud. Again. AV sucks.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:22 pm EST

But let's also remember that all that precious lauding of the New York Rangers is being brought to reality as the trainers room starts to fill up. I see this as a 2.5 line team right now. I think the bottom-6 is doo-doo

E


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:19 pm EST

Lord, 1 sog and it's a goal. This is going to be a lonnnnng season.

WIOSA


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:19 pm EST

Hospo: funniest thing about the series against LA. For me about 2/3 of that series the New York Rangers carried the play. They were more physical, faster, controlled the pace and play. And every game, LA scored a late goal, and won in OT. Other then that game-3 the Kings spent so much time on their heals. That was a team of destiny. If there were hockey gods they smiled on the Kings. But nothing new. And as I type the New York Rangers give up that dreadful shy goal and now they're gonna sit on it.

E


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:19 pm EST

Veektor comes back to haunt the Rangers. Next goal, Stempniak.........

mf


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:18 pm EST

Rangers sleeping. Again. Good job by the coach and the team leaders to fire this club up.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 6:30 pm EST

An interesting tidbit about Matt Carle, who just announced his retirement at age 32 after playing over 700 games. His brother David had to quit hockey because he had the same heart condition that killed Alexie Cherepanov. Cherepanov, in other words, probably would never have played for the Rangers even if his problem had been detected. Still sad it never was....

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 6:25 pm EST

TD: This one's for you: The Sabres are apparently interested in Jake Virtanen. I don't know if the Canucks are shopping him but sometimes where's there's smoke, there's fire.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 5:46 pm EST

just not enough blacknblue playing....nyc globetrotters.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

E - This is nothing new..This goes back to the year we made the finals...A battle of styles/philosophies with the KIngs..They took turns winning the play..It was close...The good news is the Rangers are faster and more skilled (when healthy) now.....The bad news, compared to the Cup teams, this current team is less willing or equipped to play and win the other type of game....In other words, the team is talented enought to go to the CUp finals but also flawed enough to lose in the first round to the wrong team..unless changers are made...

Hospo


Tue Nov 29 2016 4:53 pm EST

Tonight the Hurricanes come to visit. Another team that gives us fits.LGR! !!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Nov 29 2016 4:39 pm EST

Funny, I didn't want AV hired as coach because at the time I felt that his speed philosophy wouldn't work in today's tight checking league. That ultimately it just fails. I used LAK over the NYR and Boston Bruins over Vancouver. Just when the chips were down and all else goes out the window the team that could take you to the boards and grind you down would win. Yet, now teams that win are moving more towards speed hockey and possession and playing off the boards. BUT, when you are playing against the 0-5 neutral zone trap as teams like Ottawa play you have to throw the handbook out and get to the hip and chase. I disagree with the notion that AV can not or will not change. In fact, the players said the very same thing. They gotta get pucks deep and cycle. And I don't want to dismiss Ottawa. They're playing good hockey. Their defense is very quick on the recover and while their defense isn't joining the rush like I would think you want with a Karlsson they're efficient. The New York Rangers lost that game because they weren't willing to pay that price to get the puck in and get ugly. The defining issue that I have with this team is that while they've shown me that you have to be so cautious when playing them because of the transition (one of the best if not the best in the NHL) you can go into the game knowing that too date the New York Rangers won't consistently bring hard hats and play trench hockey with you. That's not scheming. That's personnel and that's desire. The skill will take care of itself. To me the team that dictates the game wins. Possession dictates wins, but so does force of will. I know that if the New York Rangers easily strafe you for 2-goals in the first you are in deep shit. Because, you're defensive shell will not save you. You have to open up and play, and that's when the New York Rangers take out the knives. But if you can ground them, and keep them on the walls you can eek it out and hope for a couple PP's. I stand waiting for the New York Rangers to put down the wine and break out the Mad Dog 20/20.

E


Tue Nov 29 2016 3:25 pm EST

RF73 - No arguement from me on that..Hell, I wanted the guy fired after last year but he deserved another shot....We'll see..

Hospo


Tue Nov 29 2016 3:13 pm EST

Hospo - "a very good organization"...yes but with the exception of the coach...IMO, this guy will NEVER win anything...and I get the sense (from the link the SLegs posted) that some of the rank and file are starting to chirp about his 'one style fits all" game plan.

RF73


Tue Nov 29 2016 3:04 pm EST

RF4L - I'm not defending Sather, just showing the Rangers have made up for errors with alternate methods..I'll take it.....and just look forward...The past is all bridge under trouble water and not worth dredging up

Hospo


Tue Nov 29 2016 2:24 pm EST

Hospo: Yes, some good work at having solid young talent on the big club has been done. But, look at that list: You are right about the effects of trading away top picks.....but look at that list of players: Ziba, Step, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Buch, Vesey, Skjei and Holden. 9 in total and 5 are draft picks and of those 5, 3 are first rounders. Stepan was a 2nd rounder in 08 (MDZ was their 1st rounder and fetched KK). Kreider was their first in 09. Next came the McI fiasco. In 11 it was Miller and in 12 it was Skeji. 3 firsts and a 2nd and collectively they make up 1/2 of the top 6 forwards and 1 of the top 4 d-man (who is looking like he could mature into a top pairing guy). The 5th is Buch who as a 3rd rounder is looking like he could be a steal although one could argue with the KHL, lots of good Russia kids are dropping in the draft. Either way, if that doesn't indicate the importance of keeping your high picks, I don't know what does. And Sather didn't just trade away 1 or 2 high picks in his desperation to retire with a cup on his tarnished resume, he traded away 4 firsts and 3 2nds. Horrid asset management for sure and a foolhardy way to pursue a cup. Gorton has a ton of work ahead of him to compensate - kudos to him for landing Vesey and getting a 2nd in the Brassard/Z deal. BTW, one could argue it's really only 8 players because at 29 years old, Holden is getting up there for hockey players, which isn't to discount his acquisition. Even trading 4ths I don't believe is something that should be done with regularity but if you can land a Holden for such a pick, it's a no brainer.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:59 pm EST

RF4L - You are right about the effects of trading away top picks.....but..Ziba,Step, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Buch, Vesey as well as Skjei and Holden is not a bad group of young players to have..Yes, they took chances with their #1's for runs at a CUp (a good reason if you are going to do it) and have made up for it in other ways....Not a good farm sytem but still a very good organization..I'd take it over most..

Hospo


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:52 pm EST

And the foolish practice of jettisoning of high picks, signing players to long term contracts with NMCs for what they did vs what they might do are all hallmarks on the man who's single biggest accomplishment in 16 years (SIXTEEN YEARS) is hoodwinking the idiotic silver-spooned owner into a job for life contract.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:49 pm EST

KIS: The Ranger feeder system is bare thanks to jettisoning all those picks. The Pack are at the bottom of the AHL standings with nothing worth recalling at this time on the forward lines (save for perhaps Tanner Glass). In the amateur ranks there's not a single blue chipper. Yes they've been fortunate to land Vesey and Hayes but if the team is relying on lucking on 3rd picks and securing prize collegiate UFAs, then they're playing with fool's gold IMO and the price will be paid. BTW, are you pleased with how Skeji's playing? I can only assume yes. Guess what? He's the last 1st rounder this team has had. That's 4 years ago. That's ridiculous IMO and a recipe for failure. If you don't agree, that's fine - we can agree to disagree. BTW, where does it say I cannot complain on here about what I believe to be stupid management decisions?

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:41 pm EST

RF give it a break about the number 1 picks. The Rangers have made good picks. They also picked up Hayes and Vesey. That was like picking two number one picks. Not all number 1 picks work out. Look at Mcilrath. Look at the oilers. Look at the isles and Winnipeg. These teams have had tons of number 1 picks and they all suck. Rangers have had a lot of success the past decade. It's a young team now. You wanna pick on something pick on the contracts and NMC

KIS


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:16 pm EST

‏@The_KZB @stevezipay any update on Buchnevich's progress?.....AV said he's coming along, was here today for two off-ice sessions. Not skating yet.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:14 pm EST

what's the clem reason ? ....big mac is history.....both be better off in the ahl than sitting......

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 1:13 pm EST

Team Canada announces it's invite list for this year's entry at the WJC. Of course, yet again, not a single Ranger prospect on that list - that's what you get when you trade away high pick after high pick.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 12:32 pm EST

Fivehole: Maybe, or maybe AV's mistreatment of the kid last year ruined him or in the very least, set his progress back a year or more.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 12:10 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 48m48 minutes ago AV says 90 percent chance Miller plays...and likely at center...Grabner under the weather. Decision on him around 4-5 pm

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 11:42 am EST

I think we have to move past the AV didn't like McIlrath thing. Clearly the rest of the coaches in the NHL agree with him on this. Any team in the league could've had him and his very cap friendly salary for nothing in return and they all passed on him. He was traded to FL three weeks ago and has dressed in one game. Maybe AV wasn't the issue.

Fivehole


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:19 am EST

BTW, it would be funny to see Fast traded, seeing as unlike McI or Clendenning, he's a huge favourite of the coach.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 9:17 am EST

I think it's pretty clear, just as he did with McI, AV doesn't like Clendenning and therefore, simply won't dress him unless he's got no other choice. What a nasty man he can be. Hard to like IMO.

RF4L


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:45 am EST

Ola I wonder why ass vipe won't give Clem a game and sit g or k ? ...he's his pp guy that he rarely plays....why have 7 d ? ...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:35 am EST

Pirri was hailed as a savior early in the season. But its important to remember that -- all -- his scoring comes getting certain type of chances. And especially on the PP, when we do not have the Mika Z shot option, any PK will just block him. Like all PKs blocked Brad Richards, and any other option we have tried there. Sure Pirri did a lot of good things, but Mika Z was the key for our PP. Stepan is pretty effin awful in that role, bad decision making, clumpsy with the puck and so forth and so forth. Zibanejad isn't great, but he is at least functional there.

Ola


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:35 am EST

Pirri was hailed as a savior early in the season. But its important to remember that -- all -- his scoring comes getting certain type of chances. And especially on the PP, when we do not have the Mika Z shot option, any PK will just block him. Like all PKs blocked Brad Richards, and any other option we have tried there. Sure Pirri did a lot of good things, but Mika Z was the key for our PP. Stepan is pretty effin awful in that role, bad decision making, clumpsy with the puck and so forth and so forth. Zibanejad isn't great, but he is at least functional there.

Ola


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:31 am EST

Who is Zach Braziller? No Brooks or Cyrgalis?

Ola


Tue Nov 29 2016 7:02 am EST

Fishtank fans calling for their coach to be fired.... time for a fire sale.... ass vipe is a one trick pony....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 6:54 am EST

Captain mutiny?....http://nypost.com/2016/11/28/rangers-need-more-than-one-way-to-win-for-lasting-success/

stevielegs


Tue Nov 29 2016 5:37 am EST

I think a trade for Dougie Hamilton is problematic. Everyone on our team knows that every cent matters in this Cap world, and if someone wants to break the bank the team cannot afford it and still compete. There is only one way to relate to this, and that is that the team acknowledge that all players want to get paid, but that anyone wanting to go above and beyond and really break the bank will have to go elsewhere. Dougie Hamilton instantly becomes our highest paid defender and 3rd highest paid skater. Within two seasons Miller, ZInbanejad, Hayes, Fast, Lindberg and Skjei has to be resigned. Hamilton takes a huge chunk of the pot that would be available for us to keep them. And this is a guy that is dancing around the 3rd pair in Calgary that has one of the worst Ds in the league. But he is an interesting option for sure. But it will be problematic to pull something off.

Ola


Tue Nov 29 2016 12:53 am EST

Personally, I don't get rid of any of our D-men for Hamilton if I want to tryand make a run for the Cup this year----I still don't know where I stand on tyhat yet....need the entire team and better coaching.....But, if I don't give a shit about this year, then I make the play for him.....As for the FLORIDA situation, sounds like it at least had a little to do with a battle between the new young management and a dependence on analytics versus what GALLANT did the old school way with players that loved him last year...They certainly couldn't reach a compromise..

Hospo


Tue Nov 29 2016 12:06 am EST

Ranger scout was at the Isles-Flames game, which isn't hugely surprising, given that Barclays is just a quick subway ride away. But given there seems to be a lot of speculation about HAMILTON...and I think rhet0ric makes a very good point. Also, KLEIN is pretty much a gonner...so it'd make sense the Rangers would want to get younger, faster and get someone with a rocket up on the point. Again, not gaga for Hamilton and could see him becoming the second coming of Tom POTI if a popular player goes the other way...but if we can build a trade around Klein, one of the Swedes and a prospect...I think they'd be fools not to go for it.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 10:46 pm EST

BTW, what ever the hell is going on in FLA sure looks good on Buttman. New ownership came in and apparently prompted Tallon into a position with no power and brought in this Rowe dude. A bunch of roster moves happened over the summer despite a great season last year that resulted in a PO spot for the first time in years. Now Gallant, a coach who helped achieve that great season last year, gets fired and Rowe, a guy with almost zero experience, is his replacement. A giant fustercluck underway there and that franchise already can't draw flies on a good day. LOL...

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:33 pm EST

Rhet: Yes, agreed. But what if Holden's impressive play lasts all season? He's been, IMO, the Rangers 2nd best d-man lately, behind only McD. He is reminding me a little of Michael Sauer. Very steady positionally with a little bit of snarl to his game (albeit AV permitted snarl).

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:32 pm EST

JMO, but you don't buyout Girardi for a Kevin Klein. You do buy him out for a 23 year old Dougie Hamilton. Also, if G and Staal keep playing the way they have been we might stand a chance of moving one of them. Fingers crossed.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 28 2016 6:22 pm EST

TD: Good points but don't you face the same expansion draft problem KK vs Hamilton, unless you buyout G or S. McD and the 2 with NMCs. Messy situation courtesy of the job-for-life idiot.

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 5:09 pm EST

AV confirms Lundqvist in net tomorrow Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 4h4 hours ago AV: Miller 50/50 for tomrow. Stitches in knee from Zuke shot. If he can't go Lindberg in...

stevielegs


Mon Nov 28 2016 5:06 pm EST

TDCHI - Actually, I've seen two or three games, or parts of the them..They are all out there,,,My general conclusions stand about the level and readiness of the players mentioned..I expect you to feel the opposite (except with Jensen) but that's what makes the world go round..

Hospo


Mon Nov 28 2016 5:02 pm EST

RF4L - Never been much of a HAMILTON fan...always thought he was/is kind of overrated...but if he could be had for KLEIN, LINDBERG and GROPP, I think that deal is a no-brainer. Klein is probably gone in the expansion draft. Lindberg really has lost his place in the lineup into the foreseeable future...and even if GROPP does turn out to be the real deal, the Rangers aren't really short on wingers. Hamilton, despite my reservations about his ability, would be a nice upgrade for the right side.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 4:54 pm EST

Hospo - that's an impressive conclusion to make without ever having laid eyes on the Pack. Unless, of course, I am mistaken and you've been watching their games regularly. Love the sweeping generalizations thoiugh...

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 4:18 pm EST

BTW, the Pack I believe play the Leaf farm team this weekend. I intend to PVR the game and watch it later. I'm really curious to see how some of these kids look. I get collectively they aren't very good right now, but I am hoping I see glimpses of some good things for some of the players.

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 4:10 pm EST

TD: Heard today that the offerings for Hamilton aren't very good because he's struggled since becoming a Flame and he has a significant contract and therefore, opposing GMs are viewing this more of a salary dump by Calgary than anything else. Gropp, Lindberg and KK is more than reasonable IMO although, I think, that in part depends on one's opinion of Gropp. If he's a legitimate prospect then it's too much. I think, however, the biggest problem with Hamilton is that he lines up AHEAD for S and G in terms of salary on the backline. If Gorton is fishing I sure hope he's done his homework.

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 3:51 pm EST

Hospo: Yep, the Pack are horrid, which isn't at all surprising for obvious reasons. Guys like Kovacs struggling to score is just another non-surprise for me. There's a reason he wasn't selected until the 3rd round. Good thing there are some good young forwards on the Rangers because there's nothing in the system in that regard.

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 2:51 pm EST

The Pack with another sour weekend....Too bad BUCH and ZIBA are hurt, but these are mot likely the players that the Rangers need to get their act together with..There is NOTHING in Hartford...The great and ready for NHL Boo Nieves has one goal in 18 games..The bobsy twin Swedes had a combined two goals in 40 games...The supposed "next D-man" Gilmour has been horrendous and may "lead" thae AHL with a minus 13........The one guy that can probably play in the NHL now and might fare better than any of Pimple, Lindberger or even Pirrii (as a two way player) is JENSEN....I'd give him a shot.....Oh, and Tanner Glass (5 goal)!!!.:)

Hospo


Mon Nov 28 2016 1:50 pm EST

More speculation that Dougie HAMILTON is on the block. Twitter offers include LINDBERG, GROPP and KLEIN...same proposal with DAY swapped in for Gropp...same proposal with FAST swapped in for Lindberg. And then one boob who suggested MILLER, KLEIN and a first...

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 12:58 pm EST

Factoid: STEPAN was 67 percent in the faceoff circle last night. Wow. Talk about when pigs fly (cc: RF4L).

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 12:57 pm EST

KIS - See Jake VIRTANEN. Don't know if/when the Canucks will be willing to part with him, but he's exactly the type of player this team needs right now. The Canucks were VERY high on this kid all through his struggles last year and when he was the goat of Canada's WJC bid...but there was also some expectation that he was going to make the jump from offensively struggling rookie to top-six forward this year...and his demotion to Utica and his struggles in the AHL(two helpers in seven games) kind of suggest he's either not making that leap yet or is incapable of making it at all...But that said, he's fast, he's big and he hits a lot like McILRATH. Just loves doing it...I would definitely see what Vancouver wants to part with him...I can't imagine that he's untouchable at this point...I would certainly move a roster player for him though. He would bring a dimension to this team that would help against teams that would be well-appreciated by the folks who are lamenting about Mack....the other guy who I'm sure is available who would be a nice add is MATTEAU'S kid...I mention him periodically....a kid in a sort of arrested development...rushed to the NHL(like Virtanen) and who really needs a chance to play his game. Matteau is a nasty SOB....more so than a lot of coaches can handle. Man, if the Rangers could get both of those players and put them between someone like MILLER or HAYES...watch out.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 12:47 pm EST

RF4L - It's not that the Rangers' CAN'T win without Buch and Z...it's that wins won't come nearly as easy. No team can expect to play as well after their top center goes down. Some do(see the 2015-2016 Lightening), but they're more of an aberration than anything else...I know the tendency is to look at this past week...and four losses at MSG and say 'A-HA! We're back to last year.' But I just don't think that's accurate.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 10:46 am EST

Mentioned GETTINGER and DAY yesterday...Throw FONTAINE and ZBOROVSKIY into that mix too: https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-prospect-report-gettinger-fontaine-zborovskiy/c-284147916

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 10:08 am EST

RF, those two guys do make a huge difference. I said last night without them they look like last years Rangers. Those two guys help slot the whole team. Now as far as the tactics that Assvipe employs that is a different animal. I've said many times I don't think you can win with only one way to play. This Ranger team doesn't have any nastiness to it. Really can't glass play instead of pimple. They just traded away the nasty Mcilrath who could have helped especially come play off time when refs put the whistle away many times. I'd love for this team to get a Wayne Simmons s type. I'd like this team to trade Zucc Nash staal and 5. I think Zucc slows this team down and He is small. To small. Can't stand fast. AV loves him though.

KIS


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:52 am EST

kis if they can't win without 2 guys, there are in serious trouble....i didn't say replace the whole team, but if they play that same plan with those 2 guys, the result would be the same....if they can't beat the trap, they are toast.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:49 am EST

Sure it hurts the lineup having Z and B out but neither were here until this year. If this team cannot play without them they are doomed anyways. My point is it's just an excuse IMO. The Rangers have slipped back in overall play and their record (5-4-1) shows that. I said it last night and I'll say it again this AM: I fear this is the true level of the Rangers as they are constituted today (players AND coaching). A good team, perhaps in the top 3rd but not a great team and we'll be going another year with no cup.

RF4L


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:26 am EST

Vic why aren't they calling guys up ? are they at their limit? ....any help right now would be a good idea....but ass vipe even refuses to play clem his pp point man, giving him the big mac treatment.......beating a dead horse accomplishes what ? ....the reason you have a 23 man roster is to make it thru a tough schedule along with adding some spark.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:23 am EST

Stevie, so are you saying those two guys, Zbad and Buch, don't make a difference? Are you saying you can throw anybody out there and the Rangers should win. So why not replace those guys with Hrivek and kovacs. Matter of fact replace the whole team with the Wolfpack and let's see how they do. Come on man

KIS


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:21 am EST

I'm watching a condensed game right now. Waiting to get on a plane. I gotta say. There is a lot of chips in the 2nd. But here is what was missing. Second effort shots. Ottawa did a great job with the Tortorella Turtle. They just collapsed in around their net, conceded the boards and stacked bodies in the lanes. The New York Rangers were trying to keep Anderson moving especially later on. Just not much going on. They're just gonna have to dig deeper in a game like that. They've got to impose their will. I look at Ottawa right now and teams like them aren't playing to win. They're playing not to lose. It will catch up with them.

E


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:17 am EST

TD: No doubt the loss of ZBAD hurts. And, no doubt the lack of skill on the 4th line hurts. And no doubt the shifting around of lines so that almost nobody has played significantly with anyone else hurts. Another huge factor is that the Rangers went on a Western Canadian road trip for 3 games. They played the 4th road game of that trip in Columbus on the way home and that game started a stretch of 5 games in less then 8 days as the last game in that stretch was a day game. From there they are playing every other day for another week (4 games). So by the game this Saturday they will have played 12 games in 22 days (3 weeks) with a Western Canada trip in the mix. If you look further out it will be a stretch of 20 games through 37 days culminating in the game against the Devils on December 18th. There are 3 back to back games in that stretch. There are no breaks. Through that 37 game stretch there are only two times were there is more then one day in-between games. Both times it was just one additional day. The first was the day before the Columbus game. The other one will be December 4th and 5th. This schedule is insane. There is no time to practice. No time to really even rest. The Rangers already look exhausted and slow, and they aren't even half way through it yet. They are playing like a tired team who finds it easier to make long passes then to work the puck up the ice. They just aren't playing like they should and otherwise can in all 3 zones. So there are many factors in this but it is up to the coaching staff and the team to identify what is happening, why it is happening and make changes so that they can compete under these conditions.

Vic


Mon Nov 28 2016 9:07 am EST

dump and chase , get behind the d, and they will get worn down.....missing zbad and buekbitch should be of no real impact. breaking the trap has to be accomplished, instead of playing right into it......even with those 2 guys if they played like last night, the result would be the same.....and if the 4th line is of no help, shorten your bench.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:50 am EST

Vic - That's the whole point. You take pieces like Buch and Z out of the mix and replace them with PUEMPEL and JOORIS --two players, mind you, who I like --opponents don't need to work hard. They can sit back on their skates, trap and squeak out goals on the odd turnover. No, Ottawa didn't get worn down...and there's a reason for that...fourth line was more like...well...fourth line...they had at least one out of ever four shifts to relax...and then you have guys like FAST and PIRRI in the top nine...making those lines disjointed too.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:47 am EST

Vic - They were trying to make those two-zone homerun passes because the Sens were basically keeping four guys floating in the neutral zone...no matter how crisp your passing is...no matter how much you dangle...every time you break free from one guy, you've got another on your ass. The Rangers were trying to wear them down....and they couldn't...they can't play the up-tempo style that was winning them games and continue to expect victories until they get their other top center back...it's really what is hamstringing this team at this point...problem is, I don't think radically shifting gears is a very good idea either...so long and the short is it's a month until January...and that's going to be a very long month for this team...they need to play .500 hockey and I think they will...but we probably have three or four more games like this in store for us in the coming weeks...

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:44 am EST

TD: I don't think I agree with your assessment that teams are going to get tired doing what the Sens did last night. In fact, I think it is the opposite. The Sens weren't throwing guys at the Rangers trying to pin them in their own end. They weren't trying to play a physical game on the boards. They weren't doing anything that would wear themselves down. All they were doing was falling back in numbers in the center of the ice and waiting for the Rangers to throw the puck down the ice. The Sens had possession of the puck for most of the night. The Rangers were the ones who were tiring themselves out trying to get the puck back.

Vic


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:39 am EST

Incidentally, THAT boring trap hockey...THAT uneventful snoozer-type of a game...THAT was exactly what PUEMPEL was digging at...if you're a creative player and you're put into that kind of system...I can totally understand why you'd be relieved to leave it.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:39 am EST

STEVIE: What is maddening about that quote from McDONAGH is that the Rangers DIDN'T play the way McDONAGH thinks they did. They didn't take the puck up the ice with numbers and support. They played into the trap that the SENS laid out for them ALL GAME LONG! I would love to sit him down and show him highlights of the way the Rangers moved in transition the first month of the season. They were a fast team for sure......but not just because they could sling the puck up the ice on these home run plays. They were fast because they moved the puck so damn quickly to open men (who were 10 feet away) that the D was constantly caught in-between where they needed to be to effectively slow the Rangers down.

Vic


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:38 am EST

I don't think there's a way you take a guy like ZIBANEJAD out of the lineup and NOT see some dip in performance. Was nice to see them pull out one major win against the Flightless Fowl and grit out another against Philly...but realistically speaking, his absence has knocked the Rangers down a level. And of course when you spread the talent a little thinner, you''re going to get predictable results...would have been nice if LINDBERG or PUEMPEL was the magic replacement that came in at the right time and right place...but using logic, who would ever rationally expect that to happen? The Rangers are short their power center and are looking that way offensively. There's a dimension knocked off their game without him...still not a bad team...but they're down a peg or two for sure...I attribute less of the decline to BUCHENVICH...but again...this is a very talented kid who was just getting his feet under him and proving the Rangers depth...Which brings me to my next point: Best way to eliminate the NZT? Depth. Talent on all four lines. You can't possibly trap for that long and that hard if you have four lines pressing as hard as they were when the Rangers were firing on all cylinders earlier this season...if you're trapping like the Sens were last night against a team with four strong lines that each have a serious scoring threat, that team is going to wear you down halfway through the game...takes a lot of work to constantly battle forwards breaking out...and you're pretty much throwing away the old axiom, 'the best defense is a good offense'...andit's one of the reasons I think the Rangers have been so effective in the second period...by that point, other teams are gassed trying to trap against four lines.

tdchi


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:31 am EST

I just don't get it...You see what they are doing to you & their style of play from the opening faceoff...they stuck to their plan the entire game...you had the same entire game to make adjustments...3 periods & 2 intermissions...and yet you played the entire game exactly the same way...and lost...miserably...losers of 4 of the last 6...losers of the last 4 home games...I just don't get it.

RF73


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:31 am EST

Again, when they were playing their best hockey early in the season the key to it was support in all 3 zones. In the D zone they moved the puck quickly to an open man who moved the puck quickly to start the breakout. From there they moved up the ice together and attacked together. Whether skating the puck into the zone or dumping in, everyone was moving as a unit. When they dumped in there were guys going in hard and fast to retrieve. Everyone once in a while they would sprinkle in a long pass to catch the D trying to press the Rangers in the Rangers half of the ice. The last few weeks the Rangers have increasingly reverted to last year's game. Disjointed. Little support. Nobody on the same page offensively. Over passing and guys trying to do too much instead of just making the simple play. And every time they get the puck in their own end they are trying to send these 50 to 100 foot passes up the ice. It doesn't work when it is all you do. And it completely screws up the rest of your game. You now have players standing around 50 to 100 feet away from support. Even if they tip the puck into the offensive zone there is nobody with them to go in and get it. Nobody with them to pass to. And that is even if they pass goes through which it almost never does WHEN THE OTHER TEAM IS SITTING THERE WAITING FOR IT!!!!

Vic


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:31 am EST

So this morning I am going to give MICHALETTI a little credit. I posted about this a lot last year and have been posting about it a lot over the last few weeks as the Rangers play has reverted to the same things we saw last year. Last night I was yelling at the TV for the Rangers to "Stop the long, home-run passes!!!". It was obvious that the Sens were sitting three guys on their side of the red line in a triangle to cut off any long passes. Finally in the 3rd period MICHALETTI showed it on a replay. Now, if this is so obvious to those of us watching the game, and it is so obvious that MICHALETTI and the broadcast crew are putting together highlights of what the Sens are doing to deny the long pass.......why can't AV and the team see it? I have to word it like that because if you assume that they do see it yet they stubbornly refuse to stop playing lazy hockey what does it say about all of them?

Vic


Mon Nov 28 2016 8:18 am EST

And the Rangers haven’t been able to solve the trap with any form of consistency. They’ve been stubborn, caught both at even-strength and on the power play trying to stickhandle through crowds. Their hurry-up offense has come to a stop. “Obviously, teams have seen a lot of us now. They understand our speed game is a big strength of ours,” Ryan McDonagh said. “They made us go the full length of the ice the majority of the game and had numbers back. But in the end, we have to find a way — some in-zone plays, running our cycles, getting pucks up top and getting shots down at the net.”.....capt obvious zero....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 28 2016 7:48 am EST

ass vipe needs crosby.. stills...he has nash .......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doIEwzc6k_k

stevielegs


Mon Nov 28 2016 7:26 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/video/vigneault-on-loss-to-ottawa/t-277437422/c-46801003

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 10:56 pm EST

Rangers are 5-4-1 in their last 10 which FWIW I happen to believe is more indicative of them and their roster and coaching staff.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 10:05 pm EST

Tv guys know senseless only work on defense so far.... coach ass vipe didn't get the memo....and this team refuses to dump and chase...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 10:02 pm EST

Gotta say, Brandon Pirri lately is showing why he's bounced around so much...

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 10:02 pm EST

Gallant won the Atlantic division last year.... bye...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 10:01 pm EST

Wiosa.... At MSG in the 2010's, they are 10-5 against us.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:54 pm EST

stevie: I wonder who's fault this loss is on. No doubt AV isn't the culprit.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:53 pm EST

Rhett...acutally we do okay(usually) against Ottawa, winning the last 6 of 9 meets. Of course we only meet three times a year in the regular season, but we take 2 of the 3 in the last three seasons.

WIOSA


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:44 pm EST

Agreed on the sentiment about teams that are offensively challenged respond by doing whatever they can to counter teams that aren't. Ottawa is simply another example - they didn't do it last year and suffered. New coach and they're doing it now. Carolina is doing the exact same thing. This style is effective in the regular season and will help the fight for a PO spot. They won't go deep in the POs because sooner or later they'll encounter a more skilled team that knows how to counter this crap. The Rangers are a good team but at this point in time, don't know how to counter such a style. It's on the coach to figure it out. I have zero faith AV is capable of doing that. His track record clearly indicates he's not.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:41 pm EST

Hospo there is hope , one coach is gone.... start the parade....come on fishboy that's 4 out the last six games ... keep it up ass vipe make my Christmas....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:40 pm EST

IMO, another example of AV's stubbornness as a coach. Unable to adjust. I find him very frustrating at times.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:39 pm EST

Expect more of the same the next three games with two agasint CAROLINA and 1 with BUFF....If everybodyon here can see the Rangers need to find a way to better adjust and find a ay to win these type of games, and there will be alot of them,

Hospo


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:37 pm EST

Yep why watch since every year the lose to the senseless....shutout with 4 pp ... not always hot goalies... but can say so

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:33 pm EST

FAIL

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:33 pm EST

Without those two guys. Zbad and Buch. This team looks just like last years team and they suck. Nobody fucking shoos

KIS


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:28 pm EST

Ottawa always gives us trouble every year in the regular season. I love how we act like it's something new every year.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:26 pm EST

gallant fired

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:21 pm EST

Not adjusting is a great way to lose

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:17 pm EST

AND a good coaching staff would've known how Ottawa plays and would have figured out a plan on attack....This is 3 in 4 nights for them

rngrsans


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:14 pm EST

They were fun to watch when speed is working but as in years past, AV has no idea how to make in game adjustments and this team can't play this type of hockey which will be the playoffs!

rngrsans


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:11 pm EST

The NZT has been around since the mid 90s - albeit none are as suffocating and boring as the 95 Devils, but it still has been around. When teams dont have or want to spend the money on speedy wingers, they suffocate the game. Other teams have learned to deal with it and figured out ways to break it. This is the third year that we cant. If they take away our speed, we just fold up the tent and go home..muttering 'no fair'. It's a competition. learn how to deal with it. Just as always, MHO

WIOSA


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:08 pm EST

More boring bullshit form the NHL and the Rangers so far...When teams clog it up, tit's the role of the dice whether the Rangers will have the grit and determination to blast thorugh it....Not tonight and only twice out of the last six games...Yeah, the hiughligh reel quick strike stuff is pretty when it worsk but too often LATELY the Rangers don't have the answer when that is taken away..

Hospo


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:57 pm EST

If we are going to lose ....at least lose with dignity

rangerlou


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:56 pm EST

Not surprised at all. This team, I fear, is finding its mark...a good team and perhaps a top 10 (overall team) but a cup contender? Not yet. Maybe Z and B will help rectify that, not to mention a savvy trade or 2 from Gorton...

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:45 pm EST

The Senators remove all joy from hockey. This is just boring, and disjointed, refund...

E


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:44 pm EST

What bothers me is they seem ok with it....No push or attempt to get the team going....A big hit etc.....

PJ


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:42 pm EST

So, this is the 3rd straight game the Rangers have been outplayed. These last 3 games sure have looked a lot like last year.

Vic


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:40 pm EST

Some offense in the first but mostly the Rangers are sleepwalking through this one....No excuse for it.....

PJ


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:40 pm EST

Ohhh man.This is a real snooooozer

rangerlou


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:40 pm EST

As the late great Yogi said, "its deja vu all over again" . This is last year redux. No passion, acting like they dont even know each other. Frist time on skates? Wide of the net..wide of the net....blocked by __________ fill in oposing goalies name, since all we do is shoot straight at his chest. Great start, take the lead in the division, take second in the league, and now sloooowly win 1j,losse 1, win 1, lose 2, win 1, lose 1 etc, etc.

WIOSA


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:39 pm EST

Ugly ugly game tonight. Rangers miss Zbad and Buch real bad. All these shifts and players out of position make this discombobulated. They look rough.

KIS


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:36 pm EST

Bad break for the Rangers but they deserve to be losing this game no passion at all

tlats


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:34 pm EST

Wow...Off the referee....WTF

PJ


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:30 pm EST

Absolute snooze fest....Have a feeling if we go down 2 we are done.....

PJ


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:24 pm EST

The NHL has destroyed hockey. Every game is so boring. On a positive not uncle Ranta has been good

barto


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:15 pm EST

Does shooting wide on purpose ever result in anything but losing the puck?

PJ


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:14 pm EST

Pp poopoo

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:12 pm EST

Klein out to lunch

rangerlou


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:07 pm EST

Klien gets a minus assist

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 8:06 pm EST

Nice job Klein.....Idiot....

PJ


Sun Nov 27 2016 7:47 pm EST

Well at least we're out shooting them.

WIOSA


Sun Nov 27 2016 7:38 pm EST

Nick Holden looking like Bobby Orr out there

tlats


Sun Nov 27 2016 7:20 pm EST

Did i just see Zucc shed a tear during the Brassard MSG tribute?

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 27 2016 7:14 pm EST

Rhet0ric/stevielegs - the best part about the Isles tanking was they STILL almost lost in the first round. I always forget about that last game and how classless a move that was...that organization deserves itself. The only guy I feel bad for is TAVARES. Hopefully he has the common sense to abandon that organization after 2018.

tdchi


Sun Nov 27 2016 7:13 pm EST

And if the nyr did it they'd be smart in avoiding the pigpens . Maybe they'd have gotten to the 2 nd round .

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 7:03 pm EST

The Islanders were pretenders last year. No real contender intentionally loses a game because they're too scared to play a particular opponent.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 27 2016 4:51 pm EST

fishtanks were contenders last year after tanking their last game to lose in the 1st round like some other teams.....might be time for a new coach first.....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 3:44 pm EST

Then again, I would have kept McIlrath, so what do I know?

mf


Sun Nov 27 2016 3:34 pm EST

Good Sunday hangover to you all.. TD, thanks for the vocab lesson (not :->)) scha·den·freu·de ˈSHädənˌfroidə/Submit noun pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune....... Just re-reviewed some of the Isles moves and man did they blow it... IMO it's not & wasn't a case of hindsight is 20/20 either.... Ladd vs Okposo, pick-em! ? Okposo should have been the choice all day long; 2-3 years younger, faster (for today's nhl) , RHS, greater offensive threat & numbers, familiar to the roster (read: chemistry) costs: an additional $500K per year..... I could see not re-signing Frans Nielsso: he's 34, the Wings gave him a 6yr $5.25mill deal.... Matt Martin: not yet 28, got a 4 year deal at $2.5 mill per...... I would have kept him & his 15 pts per year.... He hits everything, is still young enough, takes the heavy lifting off Clutterbuck, and nobody is going to ph__K with Taveras with both he & Clutterbuck on the roster. (remove 1, and the whole dynamic changes) ... Chimera: not a terrible signing: 2yrs, $2.25mill.... dumb de dumb dumb.........

mf


Sun Nov 27 2016 2:31 pm EST

Everytime I see the Islanders, i can't help but think of one thing... Does this seem like an up an coming team? It doesn't to me. You have to wonder if it does to John Tavares. Does he take a hard, long look during UFA? IMO, he does. The difference between him and Steven Stamkos is that Stamkos would have been hard pressed to find a better option than his current team. Tavares very well may find that 'the grass is greener' elsewhere.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 27 2016 2:13 pm EST

I just saw the Isles play live. Ugh... that is not a good scene. They had Belviller playing on a line with Tavares and Clutterbuck playing with Ladd and Nelson (I think) at one point. There was no balance in their lineup. Capuano was rearranging his lines all game looking for a spark. Tavares gotta be thinking, "and they want me to be the franchise player for my career here? It's a mess."

E


Sun Nov 27 2016 12:51 pm EST

IMO, the Islanders need a regime change. Clean house, starting with the GM.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 12:27 pm EST

Rangers, for once, seem like they have a couple of solid prospects in the OHL --which is roundly regarded as Canada's top junior league...this kid Tim GETTINGER has been on a tear recently after a slow start. He was a kid who showed flashes of skill in the TCT...6'6 and 220 pounds...Other guy who shined in the tourney and is using that experience well back in the O is Sean DAY, who is basically a point-per-game since being traded...seven goals, eight assists in 18 games from the blueline. If he can use his shot like he did in TCT, he could very well be the absolute steal from the 2016 draft.

tdchi


Sun Nov 27 2016 12:19 pm EST

Interesting...the Isles, who many pundits had going neck-and-neck with the Capitals and Pens, are now 6-10-4...HALAK has been a disaster...GREISS hasn't been much better...and the third goalie they have on their roster eating up valuable cap space hasn't played a game...Andrew LADD, not surprisingly, has slowed considerably...as has Jason CHIMERA...and suddenly, the Isles' bevy of talent selected with an almost unprecedented number of top-round picks, is starting to look...well...not so good...Ryan STROME is starting to look like a dude...Michael DAL COLLE is struggling in the AHL...HO-SANG also struggling with the farm team...Ryan POLUCK can't win a roster spot...BARZAL is back in juniors...and some writers are now wondering if the Isles are once again poised for a retool...There's no way they could have brought back their exact team from last year...but conventional wisdom suggested they'd at least try to bring back two of three of their free agents...I'm definitely guilty of schadenfreude here...and I could see the Isles tweeking their situation and having a Pens-like resurgence....but right now? Man, it doesn't look good for the guys who have just under two years to convince Jon TAVARES that he should stay on Long Island...https://www.sny.tv/islanders/news/islanders-face-monumental-climb-at-quarter-mark-of-season/209668508

tdchi


Sun Nov 27 2016 11:49 am EST

MILLER to center would have been my first response after ZIBA's injury...We'll see how it works,...

Hospo


Sun Nov 27 2016 11:47 am EST

sutter muppet.....https://twitter.com/rickcarpiniello

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 11:47 am EST

RF4L - As do we!!! It doesn't matter if what Pimple said is true, it matters what fun we can have with it on here....And if it spurs some diesitness in the game, even better!.

Hospo


Sun Nov 27 2016 11:46 am EST

AV says he's not totally set on Miller at C tonight, but IMO, it's happening. Said Pirri has been good on FO, but more comfortable on wing

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 11:15 am EST

Raanta first goalie off ice, some line tweaks. Miller at C and on 2nd PP. See previous tweet.... ... Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 13m13 minutes ago Early lines: 20-21-19; 40-13-73; 36-10-61, 12-86-26. D the same. Raanta in goal. No Lindberg, Clendening Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 31m31 minutes ago All Rangers on ice for practice this morning at training center in Westchester

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 10:54 am EST

pump, pompeii, pimple.....so he spoke his mind instead of the pc response....bfd....is it true?.....if the skate fits wear it.....hopefully he has balls on the ice too....ass vipe / msg will try to tone him done.... maybe he's an avery....a breath of fresh air.....now back up the words.....if he does, another steal by fishboy.....good luck to the kid....I'll be rooting for him.....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:54 am EST

And I agree the noise over Puempel's comments is over the top but that's what happens. The media needs something different to write/talk about and he provided it.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:53 am EST

The Sens are indeed offensively challenged. Their shortcoming last year, however, was their lousy defensive play, led by Karlsson. The mandate with the Boucher hiring was to be more defensively aware and that's what happened with Karlsson, to his credit, apparently leading the way. The Sens are like the Rangers a few years ago - some good upfront skill but no depth.

RF4L


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:36 am EST

Man, those PUEMPEL comments had legs! Agree with Ola...much ado about nothing...but the Ottawa media really carried it far...Kid was really stating the blisteringly obvious, which is that the Sens this year are more of a dump-and-chase team...which is curious, because they have talented guys like TURRIS, BRASSARD and RYAN who aren't dump-and-chase players...but if you look for the point totals of that team, you can see statistically what Puempel is referring to...the team simply isn't putting up points. They're a good club, but when it comes to creativity, it looks a lot like they've simplified their game to really focus on D and not putting points on the board...we'll see in nine hours...If I'm the Rangers, I give Puempel another crack...played a solid game on Friday...let him have a swing at his old mates where it counts...Sure would be nice to see the kid go on a tear.

tdchi


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:15 am EST

Rf, probably. I was surprised at how well he skated. He wasn't afraid of being physical. I think he would still be better to stay the full year at Hartford. Decision still slow especially when he was in the corners gaining control of the puck. He didn't know where to go immediately. He gained the puck then had to think where to go. Yet I was surprised with the kid. I like Jensen and kovacs though.

KIS


Sun Nov 27 2016 9:11 am EST

Ola, agreed. People get so upset so quickly. It's this bullshit PC agenda from the liberals in this country. Don't say something you might hurt their feelings. Something happened to me like that once. The newspaper put my words out of context. Everything misconstrued. Taught me a lesson though. Now, I don't give a F$?K

KIS


Sun Nov 27 2016 6:14 am EST

Hospo & RF4L- Pump probably would have done himself a favor not saying anything. Just sayin, I hate the attitude out there to really go for the throat of these kids that happen to say something. People can't take anything. Like this is what the kid said lol: They let you play here, they let you play to your strengths," Puempel told the newspaper after scoring a goal in his Rangers debut. "They know there are going to be mistakes. They’re not barking at you every time you come off the ice. It’s beneficial.” ...... Then Google like Puempel comments Ottawa. Page after page after page with stories on it. This and that guy refusing to "fire back", McKenzie weights in on Puempel-gate hahahahaha stuff like that

Ola


Sun Nov 27 2016 2:20 am EST

Meanwhile.....(back at the ranch)......who shook their head more after the whistle when the play didn't go as planned......Don Maloney or Dan Boyle?

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 27 2016 2:18 am EST

The Vesey#26 to Puempel#12 pass/goal was like Dave to Don Maloney

TradeStar28


Sat Nov 26 2016 10:13 pm EST

BTW as expected Ottawa media all over Pimple's comments...he timed perfectly amping up the attention on himself....

RF4L


Sat Nov 26 2016 10:09 pm EST

KIS. Drag about your boy. Trust it's just kid stuff. Question: Do you think Graves could hold his own at the NHL level if 2 or 3 injuries hit on the backline?

RF4L


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:44 pm EST

Left the game after 2 periods. Son starting feeling lousy. Pack was winning 3-1. Thought Hellberg played well in net. Jensen looked good. Had a sweet goal. Kovacs. Crafty and sees the ice well thinks at a higher level I believe. Was not impressed with Boo nor Hrivek. Glass works like a Pro. Good to show the young kids. Thought graves played well and he skates pretty good. It. It as good as Bodie. It's a shame Bodie is small because the kid moves well and moves the puck real well. I don't think anybody will push anybody out of the Rangers lineup. What's good about the pack is they can provide the Rangers with a body if need be and they play the same style as the Rangers

KIS


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:16 pm EST

Pompeii making a controversy... a mountain out of a mole hill... into a volcano.... now he has to prove he's right....

stevielegs


Sat Nov 26 2016 8:46 pm EST

KIS. Great! How does Graves look???

RF4L


Sat Nov 26 2016 8:45 pm EST

Ultimately Pimple just put more pressure on himself. If he ends up jettisoned by the rangers it'll mean his words/bitching justiced the Sens decision.

RF4L


Sat Nov 26 2016 7:06 pm EST

Watching Wolfpack against Lehigh valley Phantoms. I'll give everybody a run down

KIS


Sat Nov 26 2016 6:59 pm EST

OLA The Pimple can say anything he wants..Free country,,,I just love to see a few Sens take exception and and try and lay him out..Old time hockey baby!

Hospo


Sat Nov 26 2016 6:55 pm EST

I like that The Pumper spoke up. Sometimes these things go too far. Like WTF, a marginal NHLer is stuck on a 4th grinding type line, and comments on how it's nice to get a bit of a more free role -- and the city of Ottawa implodes of Butt-hurt-ness?? Hahaha. Like seriously, what is the problem? Do anyone think these guys are saints? I doubt it. Everyone have egos, they are humans. So that he feels this ways can't be news to anyone, so the only real problem is that he said what he feels. The butt-hurt-ness out there is just getting out of hand. Sure, if like Alfie after he signed with Det for the retirement year went out and cried a river about how much Ottawa sucked it would have been one thing for the city to implode -- but Matt Effin Puempel calling out that he got a bit more leeway? Oh gush.

Ola


Sat Nov 26 2016 6:40 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 9h9 hours ago As was speculated on Thursday, Brandon Prust ends stay with the Maple Leafs for an opportunity in Germany. Leaves tomorrow.

stevielegs


Sat Nov 26 2016 5:59 pm EST

Pirri is not a center. I was wrong about Holden. Props to AV seeing it. VZ is fine. He is putting in the effort. Pucks not finding the back of the net when he is either shooting or setting up. He does something each game that could result in a goal, just cold right now. Kid is a player. Stall was the worst Dman on the ice yesterday and he looks like he is becoming this year's Girardi who is playing better this year but is still a bottom pair Dman. Both contracts blow. Buch coming back will be a great help so the need will be another Dman come deadline time IMO.

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 26 2016 5:46 pm EST

Hip: My one pick would be Kreids. Adding two more is an issue which may be exactly what this team is lacking.

stepunmytoe


Sat Nov 26 2016 5:17 pm EST

Name 3 guys on the Team who would be a better Captain than McDonagh right now. Not meant to be realistic, (and nothing against Mac Truck) just opinion based. How about, Zuccarello, Girardi or Miller?

hipcheck


Sat Nov 26 2016 3:20 pm EST

HOSPO: I think moving Fast up to another line had more to do with getting a defensive responsible forward on an upper line who plays a simple smart game. I don't think he did it because Fast would make the line better so much as it would help keep damage to a minimum. The entire team played poorly away from he puck the other night against the Pens. Fast is a player who doesn't try to do too much, he plays a simple game and stays in the right positions and makes very few mistakes.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 26 2016 11:08 am EST

Rangers hi points to the game: Vesey's backhand pass, worldclass, Millers shot between the goalies legs (no goal but one of the fastest tic-tack-tow passing plays I have ever seen, Hank in goal, Grabner's 2-3 breakaways per game.And Chris Kreider total game!

Jerry_Garcia


Sat Nov 26 2016 10:48 am EST

Finally watched the game..Finally a really good game by the King...THe reason they got the points plain and simple...Flyers were the better team throughout, but Rangers took advantage of mistakes and have that quick strike ability.......A good game to watch mainly becasue the Flyers pressed physically and the Rangers answered..ABout the best a fan of this team can hope for......Laughed my ass off at the beginning, notcing that AV's response to a bad game was once again to move the king of nothingness Jasper Fast up to the top lines...Some things never change....OTOH, Veseh has been really bad lately and he needed a benching or demotion.....In any event, they got the two points....PIMPLE sounds like an asshole, and I hope somebody form the Senators totlally obliterates him, but he does seem to have offensive skills.

Hospo


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:54 am EST

Agreed that Puempel really should have kept his mouth shut but as long as he doesn't continue to yap about his previous team's errors it'll pass over. More importantly, produce on the ice and everyone will forget that anyways. He could end up bouncing Pirri in the end, although I concur it's way to early to put much stock into that. He scored 114 goals in 179 OHL games and then 60 goals in 170 AHL games which is something to take note of considering he's only 23 years of age (and was selected 24th overall in his draft year). Historically, obviously, this guy is a goal scorer. I agree he could be an excellent find.

RF4L


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:47 am EST

TD: LOL...well he kept losing them in late in the 3rd when the Flyers had Mason pulled. And yeah, it's his contract that drives me bonkers. With his, G and S's, they are definitely handcuffed to a certain degree and will be for the next 4 to 5 years. It's only going to get worse in other words. The Stepan one really irks me because it's the work of Gorton, who's been pretty good otherwise IMO. The other 2 are due to that incompetent job-for-life asshole.

RF4L


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:30 am EST

RF4L - You pick the one day STEPAN was almost 60 percent on the FO circle to gripe! Seriously though, I know you don't like his contract, but Step had a very good game. And he's now projected to have 14 goals this year(!!).

tdchi


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:27 am EST

Well, yesterday certainly wasn't the Rangers' finest game...and I wasn't really a fan of the bedlam that was going down in the third...but they responded....and the guy they needed to respond the most --LUNDQVIST --put in one hell of a performance. You need the guy in the pipes to have those games after what happened against Pittsburgh...he flat-out SUCKED on Wednesday...and he looked like his old self against Philly...Also great to see the Rangers respond to the usual Philadelphia goonery that cropped up early and often. They didn't get conned into a fist fight and instead, picked the right moment...and the right player to exact a bit of revenge for KONECNY assaulting PIRRI for almost no reason...yeah? OK great...we're gonna to go beat the piss out of the guy you were just defending...Was left with a good impression from PUEMPEL. Didn't skate a lot, but fit right in with VESEY and JOORIS...Think most guys would have scored the goal he notched as his first...Vesey's pass was otherworldly...but he was in the right place at the right time and took the right shot...that counts for something, especially in your first game with a new organization...and given some of the rhetoric that's apparently going on with Ottawa...Guess the Ottawa press is having a field day with his comments to Brooks(sidenote to Puempel: Don't talk to Brooks, moron)...basically saying he's pointing the finger when he only has himself to blame....but the poor kid was put on a line with Chris NEIL and Chris KELLY...two dinosaurs that can barely move any more and weren't really good in the offensive category even in their prime...Bottom line is Puempel could be a very pleasant surprise for this team...I don't think Ottawa would have let him go if they thought his future was bright...but the fact is, he's a good talent who lost his confidence...if he can get that back...we're gonna be in good shape.

tdchi


Sat Nov 26 2016 9:05 am EST

those were the days.....https://safeshare.tv/x/FEDEwZHZXu#v

stevielegs


Sat Nov 26 2016 6:27 am EST

E and Trade- Yeah, but it was a long time since my last visit, the last game I saw was that 6-0 after noon win against Philly when Dubinsky beat down Richards pretty bad (11'? 12'?). We got our third kid a couple of years ago, been a "small kids parent" for 8 years and running. Great times, but not much time over to do things...

Ola


Sat Nov 26 2016 5:36 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/25/newest-ranger-comes-out-firing-in-scrappy-win-over-rival/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 26 2016 5:33 am EST

“They let you play here, they let you play to your strengths,” Puempel said after the Rangers’ 3-2 victory over the Flyers in which he beat Steve Mason from close in off a gorgeous backhand feed from Jimmy Vesey at 14:50 of the first period. “They know there are going to be mistakes. They’re not barking at you every time you come off the ice. It’s beneficial.”..“In Ottawa there for a while it was getting a little repetitious; chip the puck, chase the puck,” he said. “I think this was the most minutes I’ve played in a long time. The more minutes you get, the better you play. You’re more engaged.”

stevielegs


Sat Nov 26 2016 5:29 am EST

They needed to win yesterday but they almost blew it in the 3rd. Luckily the cryer coach didn't pull his goalie sooner after getting it to 3-2 by pulling him a Little late. They came close in the final seconds , or possibly the nyr empty netters might have made it 4-2.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 9:28 pm EST

Not that he cannot answer for himself buy Ola has been to the NA many times.

E


Fri Nov 25 2016 9:26 pm EST

Glad they held on for the win. Wish they would have won more decisively but good to see Henrik rebound. Sure was better than that mess against Pittsburgh, who had 6 goal hung on them by Minnesota.

Bob


Fri Nov 25 2016 7:05 pm EST

Ola.....have u traveled to the USA yet?

TradeStar28


Fri Nov 25 2016 7:00 pm EST

First game I caught in a week or so. My short analysis, we are an a lot better team than Philly. We have more talent, we play smarter, we are better coached. Not to mention that we are a lot better in he net. One of those few experts that really give good advice on TV did the double header on the Swedish broadcast. He said, you can spot the focus both NYR and CHI have to solve the important situations on the ice, it's the explanation for why both clubs have played so much hockey the last years. And I agree 100%. Some other notes. Pirri is a pretty weak center, will he score when he aren't served as much? Will our PP suck until MiZi comes back? Step is an OK center, can take the tough match-up without getting killed. But he SUCKS on the PP. McD is playing exceptional hockey at times.

Ola


Fri Nov 25 2016 6:49 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie 4h4 hours ago Game 22 first fighting major(s) of year latest for NYR since '63-64 in Game 25.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 6:35 pm EST

The NBC broadcast brigade marveled at AV using the 4th line in the last 5 minutes - I'm thinking he did because it seemed in the 3rd every time the Nash/Pirri/Zuke line was out, the puck was in the Ranger zone. Of course, AV then switches Pirri with Stepan and has that trio out for most of the pulled goalie minutes, which results in one goal courtesy of a tip by Zuke and chaos that nearly resulted in a tie game. I don't get this coach sometimes - I really don't.

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 5:58 pm EST

Don't have time to post right now so I'll just say this. I thought the Rangers sucked today. From the opening drop to the last second of the game. HANK stole 2 points today. More later.....

Vic


Fri Nov 25 2016 5:31 pm EST

In watching Marc Staal this year I think his game has eroded somewhat but not necessarily because his skills have but because the game is faster than it was before he suffered all those injuries. He's still effective in his own end for the most part but to me he looks slow lugging the puck and while hardly ever an offensive juggernaut, now he seems nearly useless once the puck is in the offensive end. He's now at best a 2nd pairing d-man only a year or so away perhaps from being a bottom pairing guy. Alas, he's signed for 4 more years after this one at a hefty hit. He could become a contract albatross by year 3 of his deal.

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 5:21 pm EST

I'm left wondering, with Philly's offense being what it is why aren't they better? Oh yeah! Goaltending. Who'd thunk? New York Rangers defense was sketchy for a lot of the game but they got some production and circled the wagons. Sometimes they aren't all Picasso's. 2-points. Ottawa on deck. Definitely weathering the injury bug. Best you could ask for I guess.

E


Fri Nov 25 2016 5:12 pm EST

Good win...but then again....any win is a good win....

TradeStar28


Fri Nov 25 2016 4:38 pm EST

Good bounce back game by the King for sure. He was stellar and left out to dry more than once.

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 4:02 pm EST

Sat on the lead in the third but big win....Nice to see Hank so strong.....Agree Zucc shouldn't be out there in that situation....Much better options....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:57 pm EST

And that overpaid piece of shit Stepan to take the FOs...why? Why?

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:56 pm EST

WTF sort of coaching decisions is this? Zuke out against the extra man and tips in the Flyer's 2nd goal. Inexplicable. So what does the idiotic coach do? Puts him out again on the next extra man situation and the Rangers barely escape getting scored on. Ridiculous.

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:53 pm EST

@#$%!

WIOSA


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:40 pm EST

The more I see of Nick Holden the more I want him protected in the expansion draft. Damn NMCs that idiot Sather gave Staal and Girardi.

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:36 pm EST

I think Brandon Pirri's gonna be spending time in the pressbox real soon.

RF4L


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:27 pm EST

OK NHL. A little bit of reality here. When you are stopping on the ice, your feet do NOT move forward faster than the rest of your body. In that "goal" his back foot moves forward faster than the rest of his body. This means that it is 100% that the player purposely brought his foot forward towards the net in order to make contact with the puck. That would be a kick. Seems the NHL has decided to look if the skate is on the ice or something.....but physics tell the story....

Wildcard


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:21 pm EST

Bs was a kick in

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 3:19 pm EST

Hank doesn't use a catching glove, its more like a frying pan dressed like a glove. IE, he can't handle the puck because he can't hold his stick with that thing. I saw an expert for Swedish TV once try firing the puck with Hank's glove, said it was like doing it with an amputated hand.

Ola


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:54 pm EST

WIOSA: His puck handling has always been like this; I am wondering if growing up and playing on a larger rink in Sweden effected the way he handles the puck on a smaller rink in North America.

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:50 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL! !!!!!!!!! Purple Hayes.

rangerlou


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:49 pm EST

Yeah Hayes! NN, lol, I say that now, Im screaming "stay in the net dammit". The funny thing is I never noticed this before about him until last year.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:48 pm EST

Nice deflection by Hayes. I am always yelling at the TV when Hank touches the puck...Don't touch the puck! Though Richter was also scary handling the puck.

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:46 pm EST

Gabby hazy mip as per baldy mcguire

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:46 pm EST

Hayes!!!!!....Pierre is about to cry....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:45 pm EST

Wiosa he usually sends it the wrong way and an opponent gets the puck then a shot comes he's not set for and they score. Guess allaire can't teach him how to fix that.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:18 pm EST

Stevie/Tlats, good, thought it was me, was he always that clumsy behind the net, I only noticed it recently. Sheesh... after all these years.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:16 pm EST

Notice the Flyer did get the instigator penalty and misconduct that the league won't call on Crybaby....What a joke.....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:15 pm EST

Rangers answering so far....Great to see....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:07 pm EST

wow kreisler switches hands and lays manning down Kid is a big strong kid

KIS


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:07 pm EST

Wiosa I wish they would put him on a short leash .... he's horrible behind the netband has a hard time getting back in net to get set for next shot

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:06 pm EST

When Hank leaves the crease I close my eyes and pray. He might be one of the worst puck handling goalies ever

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:05 pm EST

Thank you Kreider

Fotiu22


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:05 pm EST

Nice job by Kreider in the fight

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:04 pm EST

So Kreider punches out the faker. Good for him.

Bob


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:02 pm EST

Anyone else hold their breath when Hank leaves the crease to play the puck?

WIOSA


Fri Nov 25 2016 2:00 pm EST

tlats they are always ready to receive......but's it better to give.....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:58 pm EST

Now the Rangers better be ready for a Gudas special

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:57 pm EST

Great play by Vesey..

WIOSA


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:57 pm EST

Popeye scores

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:56 pm EST

agree bob

KIS


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:52 pm EST

Stepan about time nice play by Miller

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:49 pm EST

The NHL is turning into soccer. The absurd embellishment by Sherry last game resulted in a 5 to mcDonagh, and now this Manning pusses out and the chute too. You never hear me defend NHL referees but now they have to judge guys faking injuries on good hits.

Bob


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:46 pm EST

You can't hit in today's NHL

Fotiu22


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:46 pm EST

It was a clean hit then the flyer puke threw his head back and embellished

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:45 pm EST

Tell me the Flyers didn't see what Crosby did on Wednesday with these pussy Rangers not responding and knew right then and there how they were going to play the game today. I bleed with this team but goddamn year after year they continue to be soft.

Fotiu22


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:42 pm EST

Bullshit....That was a clean hit....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:38 pm EST

were capt zero's arms tied for the whole game ? ...what hit did he lay on crybaby after the ragdolling punches.boarding penalty was served ...?.....zero.....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:37 pm EST

Rangers appear to be pushing back....See how long it lasts....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:35 pm EST

Zucc passes up some wonderful shots....Needs to be more selfish....Vesey may just play himself out of the lineup....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:35 pm EST

This team really misses Zbad and Buch. It just puts players in their right spot. you can't have Fast as a 2nd or 3rd line player. wonder if something is wrong with Hank. Maybe he isn't seeing the puck well. He seems to have trouble. Like he isn't sure. IDK

KIS


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:33 pm EST

4 minute penalty with 1sog is not too hot. Glad to see Girardi get into it a little bit.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:30 pm EST

I have a feeling the flyers are gonna try and goon it up a bit today

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:29 pm EST

Big boost for the fly girls killing that 4min PP

tlats


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:15 pm EST

Klein could always handle himself pretty well but hasn't done much of this as a Ranger....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:14 pm EST

So Jasper gets moved up to Step's wing and Vesey is dropped to the 4th line. Unless Kreider-Stepan-Fast is the new 4th line.

Bob


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:12 pm EST

KIS - I don't think McD could even get his arms free cuz his jersey was over his head. That guy is built like a brick shithouse. If he had his arms free, he would have wrecked Crosby...but we agree...Someone on the ice should have jumped in on that BS. I do think if these Rangers are going to go far they're gonna need to find someone with a little snarl...Guy I'd target is Jake VIRTANEN. His stock in Vancouver has basically bottomed out. Skilled guy who can hit something fierce and isn't afraid to drop the gloves...they could probably get him for very little at this point. Maybe even a player like LINDBERG and a mid-round pick.

tdchi


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:09 pm EST

Whats happened to Yorkie? Buddy I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving and I hope all is well. Hopefully you are just busy and not experiencing more shit.

KIS


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:05 pm EST

TD, I saw the incident the same way you saw it go down. The problem I have is nobody from the Rangers helped. God this team is so pussified. Also I can't believe that McDonaugh is such a pussy as well. these guys on this team can't fight it amazes me. How do you grow up playing a physical sport and you can't be physical yourself. the whole team is soft outside of Kreider and JT Miller

KIS


Fri Nov 25 2016 1:00 pm EST

Puempel in today....Lindberg sits.....

PJ


Fri Nov 25 2016 11:59 am EST

re: CROSBY and his "leadership" - Three words: What. A. Crock. I got a pretty good look at what happened with McDONAGH and him and to say McD got assaulted is a major understatement. Just like Crosby always does, he jumped in when his opponent basically had no time to and way of defending himself. McD was trying to brace for a hit and what that little bitch did instead was grab his jersey, pull it over his head and threw him face-first into the ice. Total hack move by Crosby. Just bush league. How that was coincidental minors is another big mystery to me, because Crosby dropped his gloves. The hit on SHEARY looked legal to me too...He knew it was coming...he just got plastered. Was his own fault for turning his back to McDonagh...And like I said, Crosby didn't even give McD a chance to square up before he had his gloves off...That whole play is a GREAT example of why I hate Sid Crosby so much. He's just a dirtbag who gets away with murder...And I see the coverage of it and suddenly he's this great Messier-like leader for sticking up for his mate...BS. They guy is a pansy...and I would pay to see someone knock out one of those big 'ol horse teeth of his...Wanna fault the Rangers for something? That's it. I was disappointed that someone didn't tee up Crosby after his punk show on McD. I'll give ya'll that...the response from the Rangers was pathetic. Because what should have happened was someone should have beaten him to a pulp for doing that to McD. And instead, they handed the game to him...I still think the game was over the minute the puck dropped...but there was a noticeable change in the tempo after Crysby mugged McD. And on a related unrelated note, my only good memory of that game was leading the Garden in a SUCK IT CROSBY chant. That's a memory that will last a lifetime.

tdchi


Fri Nov 25 2016 11:42 am EST

Well after 48 straight hours of inebriation, I'm starting to sober up now and really what is left are just flashes of something awful that happened the other night. Can't put my finger on it...but...well...I can't believe I paid $100 to get F@CKED in the ass...when the F will I ever learn with this team?!? But I'll have you all know that I took it like a champ...and while my first impetus was to swing into the ultra-violence, I limped out of the Garden without beating the piss out of anything...But after the third goal, that bottle of bourbon I smuggled into the Garden came in mighty handy. Don't remember squat about the third, other than it looked a lot like the Rangers were going through the motions...So my assessment of the game? The Rangers were going through the motions. The whole game. The whole GODDAMN game...Even the NASH goal wasn't exactly something that came from hard work...My thought after the first was that they looked A LOT like the 2015 Rangers I saw get shutout by a shitty Flyers team after Thanksgiving...the team came out sluggish and then it really did look like they thought that goal was a mandate...because they basically dialed down their play even more. HANK was absolutely awful. Just abysmal. Worst game I've seen him play live. Ever. But it's not like the Rangers gave him much help...knew the shitshow was about to start just by virtue of possession...Rangers barely touched the puck for the whole game...Saw the shots this morning...looked like 17...well, I don't know when those shots were registered...the only one I saw was Nash's...the rest? Total mystery to me...seemed like the whole game was played in the Rangers end of the ice...they did a GREAT job of making Matt MURRAY look like an all-star...again. I'm hoping each and every one of those guys feels a little butt-hurt today...and I hope they all went into Turkey Day feeling a high degree of SHAME because that was a pathetic game. Worst of the season. Were I coaching that team, I'd tell them all to be at the rink at 6 a.m. the next morning and run them into the ground for 12 hours so that none of them could walk out of the Garden on their own.

tdchi


Fri Nov 25 2016 11:14 am EST

McD wasn't the embarrassment, it was the other 4 on the ice who stood by and watched their CAPTAIN get jumped. Figures Girardi was one of them, welcome back to my shitlist. #5. It doesn't matter imo if McD himself wouldn't want you to step in, this one is only answerable to the hockey gods. If McD rips you in the locker room later you nod and just repeat the mantra, "Nobody touches my captain." Reporting live to you from last century, this is LeoS signing off :(

LeoS


Fri Nov 25 2016 11:04 am EST

Ola..........according to the announcers that game, not all 5-min majors are 'game misconducts" , some are at the discretion of the Refs ? NHL rules ? I was surprised too !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 25 2016 10:51 am EST

McDonough no heart or courage? He got jumped, plain and simple. The guy has been amazing this year, I don't see why so many hate him?

ColoradoMark


Fri Nov 25 2016 10:21 am EST

I am really confused, since when doesn't you get tossed for a boarding major? Didn't McD get a major for the hit on Sheery, but it seems like he kept playing?

Ola


Fri Nov 25 2016 10:19 am EST

On MCD-you guys are missing the point. Graves, Beukaboom would never allow Messier or Leetch to NEED to defend themselves. MCD was jumped-where were his teammates? Girardi throws an arm over Crosby and that's it? MCD needs to stay on the ice as much as possible-his teammates could show they care by defending him.

puckyou


Fri Nov 25 2016 10:15 am EST

Happy Holidays Wallsters. This is a big one today. National Broadcast, and the response after last game. Im going out to my favorite Bar, and meeting some of my beer league friends to watch this one!! #lgr

hipcheck


Fri Nov 25 2016 9:29 am EST

Rhet has captain zero every received 5 for fighting in the NHL? Has he ever dropped his gloves on purpose? Has he ever punched a guy with his gloves off? He assassinates his own character by his actions no one does it for him. He claims he was amped up for this season.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 25 2016 8:29 am EST

The character assassination of McDonagh here is ridiculous. He lost his footing on the ice and after that he never had a chance but for some reason that means he has no Honor or heart? Who would ever expect Crosby to do anything in the first place? Although he really does have carte blanche to do pretty much whatever he wants on the ice. He should have had a double minor at minimum. Intimidation on the NYR works? That's an old mantra we've been hearing here for years. Since the Tort's days, I believe. I amazed this team is able to win as much considering that are always so intimidated so much on the ice, let alone even leave the locker room.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 25 2016 8:29 am EST

I have fanatically followed this sport since the days of the GAG line and conclude that I wholeheartedly agree with Hospo. The players are faster and more skilled overall today than yesteryear, but the game is a whole lot less exciting. It does not have the tension it once had. There was a time when you could get excited at a Philly-Ranger matchup .The blood would start to boil before the puck was dropped-not so today.Every game was not Slapshot, though some were, but the possibility existed and the game was played differently as a result .And, imagine this, they did not wear helmets and apparently there were less serious injuries.

gene_carr


Fri Nov 25 2016 7:24 am EST

Going to the game this afternoon and I fully expect the Philthy's to "let's go to the videotape" and exploit the intimidation factor...because 1. it works against the Rangers and 2. Ass Vipe has demonstrated he is incapable of change/adjustment and will forever be a loser.

RF73


Thu Nov 24 2016 10:36 pm EST

E/Hospo, I agree wholeheartedly on the lack of physical presence on the NYR. I also see it spreading around the league. Now dont get me wrong I dont want Rodney Dangerfields hockey (went to a fight last night and a hockey game broke out), but I dont like the way superstars are allowed and therefore encouraged to take cheap shots and dives..while the rest of the league sits back. I do notice on other teams but not as bad as the Rangers. That said, it seems like weve been saying this for eons. Hell I even said it when Torts the mouth was here. I dont know what it is. Last night was embarrassing. But we all know, any fight with Sid will mean a suspension..unless you lose, it sucks but it's reality. There has to be a happy medium somewhere.

WIOSA


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:45 pm EST

Its was embarrassing to watch a captain of the Rangers take any $hit from an ass like Crosby. There is no way in hell Callahan, Graves or Messier would ever let something like what we witnessed take place on home ice. McDonagh has no honor or courage.

tracerm


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:20 pm EST

The league is certainly changing but the league is not responsible for the Rangers effort or lack of in last night's game.....

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 4:25 pm EST

E Basically what i've been saying for the last month but with more of a personal viewpoint...The NHL sucks right now..about one out of 10 games is entertaining....There is rarely any distatse or animosity between teams and it's becoming more of a gentleman's game of respect...I can only hope this changes come POs...AS for the Rangers, they will never be a physical team or a team that pays others back....the best we can hope for is that they play physically engaged hockey up and down the entire lineup, like they did MOnday night,,,but not the other 3 out of last 4 games..the only guys i truly enjoy watching of MILLER and KREIDER, the rst could be bots for all they mean to me..

Hospo


Thu Nov 24 2016 4:04 pm EST

RF: for the sake of discussion do you think the New York Rangers got pushed around on Monday night? Because PIT got ornery during that game too. Because I thought the New York Rangers were really banging (by today's standards.) I mean between the whole Tri-State Area how many fighting majors have there been? I just look at PIT and see what Crosby pulled and how many times is that guy gonna do that? (Hint: only when the other guy is down.) that was just more Crosby theatre. The New York Rangers in order to win have to play a good physical brand. When they don't, they lose. It's the bottom line. Again, as I always say. I hate it. The league is morphing into a game that I like less and less. But I have no delusions about physical play. It's not the coach. It's the league. I was just at a Ducks game and a guy I was talking to was telling me that the Ducks are losing because they aren't playing physical enough. The Ducks... of all teams. I watch a lot of SJS games. The coach is preaching pansy hockey. Everyone is complaining!!! It's just we are all living somewhere that honestly the game isn't. That's just being real. No one wants to give up a penalty. The league is full of a bunch of greg louganis's. I fact, while McD's hit was probably worthy of 2-minutes, they also should've handed out an Oscar for what happened next. It's not AV. It's all of it. There is a stench in the league. It's called NBA'ification. You're not allowed to touch anybody. Put a finger on them and go to the box. I thought the last 2-seasons were aggravating. But this season? They're intent on taking every last bit of emotion out of the game. Tennis feels more passionate sometimes. Honestly, the game is starting to leave me behind. I always considered hockey a pure sport. Play the game and let the players sort it out. Now? The game is tightly regulated. Remember days when once you got within 5-minutes in the third, the refs would say the whistle on anything minor and let the players work it out? And OT penalties were almost non existent. I saw a game earlier this season when they called a hooking penalty (that wasn't even that awful) with 3-minutes left in the game with a 2-2 score. Are you f'in kidding me? So, blame AV, blame half the coaches in the league. This is it. Bettman has his product. And for what do we all get for this? Mainstreaming and a franchise in LV. Ugh...

E


Thu Nov 24 2016 4:00 pm EST

Newf: Or he's finding it a little tougher than he thought (and experienced 10 games ago) adjusting to the NHL game? I sure hope he's not already in float/mercenary mode!!

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 3:50 pm EST

RF....Agreed all teams have bad games....Are just out of sync or just don't play well...That is ok but last night I saw alot of quit on the ice....Can anyone see this team making a long playoff run when things really tighten up?.....

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 3:25 pm EST

PJ............I felt the same way with you on Vesey.......of late..........looks like he is satisfied to ride the gravy train here in old NY ?????

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 24 2016 2:34 pm EST

Hospo: Well you were right. LB's point was that they are effective when they are allowed to free wheel. There's enough skill on all 4 lines to make it work. When the ice clogs up and/or the team lacks passion that freewheeling is gone and they struggle.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 2:19 pm EST

You know the Rangers will probably play much better their next game and some of us will forget all about this horrid showing last night. Until it happens again. And I think it's reasonable to anticipate it'll happen again. No team is perfect and will go endlessly without a lousy game. It happens to all teams. For me the problem with OUR team is how it happens all too often - they get abused on the scoreboard and physically. Yes lousy games happen so the former happens but for me it's inexcusable to let yourself be manhandled physically with no pushback. This is the repercussion I think of having a coach preaching the philosophy of whistle to whistle play designed to avoid retaliation penalties and that becomes especially acute when the GM accommodates the coach by ensuring players who won't abide by such a mandate on jettisoned from the roster. In other words, we are going to see more games where the Rangers are physically abused and they likely will increase in frequency as the season wears on. JMWFO of course.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 2:17 pm EST

Happy Thanksgiving to all you folks

mf


Thu Nov 24 2016 2:00 pm EST

The lack of pride demonstrated in the third period was too much for me.....At home against a rival?....Really?

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:57 pm EST

and previous to the MCD-Crosby incident, Dickalettie was going on about the arguenebt between Nash and Crosby but it endedd uo in smiles becasue there was so much respect..MY ass..That's how the Rangers seem to like it now,,,Smiles skill and no touchie..

Hospo


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:54 pm EST

RF4L - VERY BAD writing on my part..i wasn't questioning you at all..I hadn't read the article and it was a legitimte question...and an attempt at a smart ass way of saying I said the same exact thing last night...

Hospo


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:42 pm EST

I missed Dubinsky last night....

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:41 pm EST

Ola...Crosby did throw some punches....No doubt...He should have had 4 minutes minimum....Girardi eventually put his arm around him....But what can you expect from him?....

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:24 pm EST

Hospo: Not sure what you're asking me dude. I didn't call LB's stance bullshit??

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:04 pm EST

at least hte 4th line can do something while the other prancers keep trying to be pretty (except JT MILLER)..but no...we have this worthless puke JOPORIS doing hos Dan Girtardi imitation (Gaborik) when Mcd got jumped...And faggedabout Fast and Lindnerger...

Hospo


Thu Nov 24 2016 1:02 pm EST

RF4L - what did LB write about the Rangers and winning with spectacuker goals being bullshit?..Something like I wrote last night with."Too busy trying to be pretty and high octane after reading all the press clippings..They can still be a pretty good team if they put thier guts and elbows into it along with their speed"????????...we feel the same about the non-physical nqature of this team and how agonizing it is too watch every night...Thye will never be physical...OK..but they will slso never be pjhysical enough to win the Cup..IMWO..Call up Tanner Glass!!!

Hospo


Thu Nov 24 2016 12:55 pm EST

BTW, where is TD and his no doubt scathing summary of the game?? I am gleefully anticipating it!

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 12:51 pm EST

Ola: I never saw the game either. Glad I elected to watch the Leaf game vs stream the Ranger one. I figured with the TD curse in full effect, the Rangers were doomed but I wasn't anticipating such a pansified weak effort by the Rangers. The Crosby/McD incident is like rubbing salt in the wound I think but does serve to really epitomize the issue with AV's whistle to whistle philosophy. Very frustrating from my perspective - I want a team that pushes back, not that shrinks away.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 12:23 pm EST

Stevie- I am watching on the phone, but I am still not sure if I see any punches!? He is shaking McD. RF4L- I don't know, one argument is that Pitt if anything should be a dynasty by today. By far the two most valuable players in this league over a decade in Crosby and Malkin. It's easy for me, I haven't seen a game in a week or so and I didn't experience the pain watching last night live. I know how I react, would probably be rioting too if I saw it. From afar though, it feels like you guys are tilting a bit! ;)

Ola


Thu Nov 24 2016 11:54 am EST

At times last night I thought Vesey wasn't dressed for this game.....Wake up kid....

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 11:51 am EST

philosophy

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 11:50 am EST

McD said Crosby was sticking up for his teammate and it may have inspired them and it was what any Ranger would also do.....Well that couldn't be further from the truth and that incident called for some sort of retaliation from the Rangers....It was actually sad watching the rest of the game.....Would call up Glass also but it won't happen....The phiosophy that drove McIout of town will be the Rangers undoing this season....

PJ


Thu Nov 24 2016 11:13 am EST

ola watch this .....http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/11/23/yes-really-crosby-goes-after-mcdonagh-for-boarding-sheary/

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 10:58 am EST

Oh and there's no question in my mind: Crosby's leadership abilities eclipse those of McD's. I do like McD but I too question his ability to a strong captain. He works hard on the ice and is effective plus he faces the media diligently. All good things. The best captains IMO however, are intense and emotional and know when and when not to let those emotions drive them. McD to me seems quite low key and rarely, if ever, displays any sort of temper on the ice. Probably perfect for AV!

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 10:55 am EST

stevie: Well maybe but McD isn't that sort of player anyways. He's been on the receiving end of several overly violent acts and never ever pushes back. The most recent one was the Simmons punch to the head. Remember that? AV actually dressed McI the next time Philly came to town and a rumble rightfully so ensued. It was one of the few times AV actually utilized McI to his strengths. BTW, Glass was better than nothing but AV had him reigned in, too. Rarely did Glass take retribution penalties and usually when he did, it was at the end of a game when the outcome was already decided. I stand by my thoughts here: This is primarily an AV creation and I suspect nothing will change until he's gone.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 10:18 am EST

RF4L- Thought McD was tossed, I am a bit confused. Though major boarding is an automatic toss from the game??? Anyway, also by some of you it sounds like Croaby pumbled McD. But from the YT I have seen Sid pulls McD to the ice then they hug some. Was even a single punch thrown?

Ola


Thu Nov 24 2016 10:07 am EST

rf / kis i get it starts with the coach , but the zero ball guy and his teammates are just as guilty...there is no excuse not to play hockey no matter what the coach preaches....taking him literally 100% of the time is inexcusable....even he has accepted things tanner glass used to do.....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 10:02 am EST

puckyou I totally disagree...captain punk crybaby led his team , captain zero balls didn't.....you can blame any player and the coach, but last night it was him...the guy has never dropped his gloves to protect himself or a teammate.....the nyr need a real captain to lead them.....and stand up for them... playing like they are all star game is completely unacceptable hockey.....tomorrow against the broad st bullies should be very interesting.....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:58 am EST

stevie: I think you're missing my point - AV is the coach and he wants his team to play a certain way that for the most part has been successful. The captain isn't about to refute that by going after Crosby. He just isn't. At least not this early in the season when the team is sitting in 2nd in the east. You saw what happened to McI when he went after Hertl - pressboxed, waived and then traded. AV does not want frontier justice acts on his team. That's where I lay the blame for this pansified team - right at the coach's feet. This is his philosophy and the captain is being a good soldier and abiding by it.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:58 am EST

This whole team has no balls.. that starts with the coach and right through the line up. the only person who will be physically is Kreider. That isn't enough. Like I said this isn't tennis. Hockey is a physical game. Right now, Ranger games look like low level all star games.

KIS


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:42 am EST

lb....." In a word: unsustainable. The question is whether the Rangers have enough diversity within their lineup to win when flash-and-dash is dampened; whether the Blueshirts have enough size and physicality to grind it out when the checking becomes tighter and time and space evaporate. That remains to be seen, but if not, general manager Jeff Gorton will be able to work with a projected $10 million in cap space at the deadline. Same time, last year. Same team? Better not be."...........if this is the coach's philosophy that capt no balls is following, the results will be more of last night .....repeated...pete and repeat....Same time, last year. On Thanksgiving Eve 2015, the 16-3-2 Rangers were humiliated at the Garden 5-1 by the Canadiens, who drove Henrik Lundqvist from nets by scoring five times on 24 shots in 49:06. The defeat precipitated a 3-9-2 skid during which the Blueshirts were exposed as pretenders. On this Thanksgiving Eve, the 14-5-1 Rangers were embarrassed 6-1 at the Garden by the Penguins, who drove Lundqvist from nets by scoring four times on seven shots in 12:57 of the second, and four times on 17 shots in 32:57 overall. That, though, is where the similarity should end. Last year’s Blueshirts were a house of cards waiting to collapse, their fast start almost entirely predicated on the brilliance of Lundqvist, who all but singularly negated glaring defensive zone deficiencies and back-checking delinquencies. This team has earned its record with an impeccable work ethic, commitment to detail and enhanced execution that has triggered the most potent attack in the NHL. Until this turkey. "

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:38 am EST

Stevie- MCD is our best D on a nightly basis by a country mile. You may not like him as captain- that's your opinion, but he has been a stellar player since he came here and is a player the entire league would want if he was available. The Crosby incident was poorly officiated- he deserved 5 for dropping the gloves and any other player other than Buttmans boy toy would have gotten it. The real issue wasn't him, it was the other D (Klein who has been bad this season, Skjei who made a terrible clearing play that led to one of the early goals, Staal, Girardi, the JT Miller line was -8, Stepan who plays like a puss in tough games. Kreider has taken th last 2 games off, and Vesey is invisible . To put this on MCD, who was the best player in blue before he was mugged- is misdirected anger- IMO.

puckyou


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:31 am EST

Rf who's a better leader Crosby or captain zero? And I'm not talking anything about talent . There isn't a worse captain in the league. Leadership is by example not words or being a yes man for the coach. They followed his lead they turtled the whole game.

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 9:09 am EST

stevie: Methinks you're being a tad harsh on McD. He's the captain and the captain is supposed to embrace the philosophy of the coach to help ensure all are rowing in the same direction. AV has been explicit in his demand that his team avoid reacting to acts of intimidation, avoid taking retaliation penalties and play 'whistle to whistle' (gawd how I hate that term now). McD seeking out Crosby for revenge would be totally contradictory to that stance. Don't get me wrong - I understand your frustration. I share it equally. But this is the way the head coach wants his team to play and all good captains lead by example. In this case, McD is doing just that. I remain adamant it's a flawed philosophy because like it or not, intimidation remains a part of the NHL game. Yes, it's not as prominent as it once was, but it still exists and the refusal to acknowledge it and have the wherewithal to respond to it when it creeps into a game can be counter productive to a winning team. It's also depressing to watch.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:49 am EST

Of course there is no mention anywhere of the beating crybaby gave capt ZERO. Just swept under the carpet and that pos has the nerve to talk about accountability... wafj... he should be forced to kill a turkey today if he wants to eat today .. but he won't because he's a chicken...he's a bigger punk than Crosby, that is the ultimate insult....the captain has zero balls....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:44 am EST

McDonagh said: “Our play kind of spoke for itself, to the effect of not giving ourselves a chance at all. I hope everybody holds themselves accountable. It’s not where we want to be. Our veterans are going to help everybody here get back on the same page.’’

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:43 am EST

So my fellow wallsters - are the Rangers as currently constructed a house of cards? Personally I think there's a bit of that there but nothing as bad as last year. That said, there's something about this team that is impacting my ability to feel really confident about them. For me, it starts with the coach. I simply don't know if he's up to the task....

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:42 am EST

But when coach Alain Vigneault was asked before the game if he ever considered playing Raanta in these consecutive games, he laughed. “No,” Vigneault said. “Hank’s the guy.” Afterward, it wasn’t such a laughing matter. When asked if Lundqvist was pulled because of performance or to just to just switch things up, Vigneault said: “Both. Both.”

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:28 am EST

BTW, Stepan sucks.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:28 am EST

LB with a good article today - I agree with his point that Gorther should be concerned that this team seems to be relying on winning via spectacular goals that if absent likely means a loss. This is because they are not so good where their speed is negated and more physicality is expected. Right now IMO it appears the Rangers have no answer for such challenges. Of course it helps none that they lack a high end offensive centerman but that's been the case under the job-for-life's entire tenure.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:18 am EST

Ola: How about McD go after Crosby later in the game? Ooops - not permitted under AV's whistle to whistle philosophy....

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:17 am EST

Ola: Yes good points. I continue to loath watching my team get physically pounded and it's something I've endure for way too many years with the Rangers. I don't get that mentality and how it seems to be their calling card from GM to GM, coach to coach and player to player. It's maddening. I'm a fool for being so damn loyal.

RF4L


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:14 am EST

I haven't seen the game, but just watched a replay of the situation. Wasn't tossing McD for that really soft? And I don't know what he was supposed to do against Crosby, looks like he instantly looses his balance and goes down to the ice?

Ola


Thu Nov 24 2016 8:05 am EST

How about Hank for Dougie HAMILTON?

Jerry_Garcia


Thu Nov 24 2016 7:53 am EST

Losing 3 out of 4 resembles what happened last year after a similar good start. And the coach gave his clueless response after the game. Along with captain fugitive zero parmenter 's response to being bitch slapped by their captain is an absolute disgrace, and his mealy mouth post game interview just proves he does not deserve the C. Give him an a for being asswipe. He turtled and the rest of the team followed his lead. And he did nothing to crybaby the rest of the game. Does anyone really need more proof he's not captain material besides ...?........?.....Hospo calling for tanner glass means he should get the C. ...

stevielegs


Thu Nov 24 2016 6:14 am EST

RF4L- Not saying that it isn't problematic, and that I don't share you guys feeling at times, but I think it should be remembered that this group also has a bit of Gypsy Mentality (in lack of a better way to put it) in the sense that they accept being abused at times, but never see themselves as defeated because of it. Like lets say, and a simple way to put it is if, we are tossed around against an opponent, the next time we play them will we play worse or better? Will we back down? If AO destroys McD, smashes his face in, will the team roll over? Like its the complete opposite, they will dig down even harder. Not give up an inch on the ice. And so forth. That can definitely not be said about all teams. On the contrary, I think you quite often in this league see two teams engage in a coque fight with the one side that looses the battle also loosing an edge on the ice.

Ola


Thu Nov 24 2016 12:02 am EST

E - you gotta flush three out of the lasrt four..And Crosby's move waas so far from a bitcvh move...It was a reaction for a hit teamate..the right reaction..the Bitch move was by the 4 Rangers on ice, especially Jooris, and the flaccid rangers the rest of the game..If you can grind a little one game, it means you can do it every game..The Rangers have wanted to in three of the last four...Too busy trying to be pretty and high octane after reading all the press clippings..They can still be a pretty good team if they put thier guts and elbows into it along with their speed.............And, yeah, I know this is a skill team with little physicality, but can I please get some form the 4th line once in awhile....Call up Tanner Glass!!!

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:33 pm EST

Man did that turn into a shitshow. You gotta hold your barn with more intensity against a contending rival. They just imploded and didn't seem to have the intestinal fortitude to dig out. For me it wasn't so much about Crosby. Personally, I thought it was a bitch move. Crosby pulls a fake tough guy acting like he was going out then eating on a prone McD. If anybody touched Crosby they'd be suspended the next century. Honestly, they were done after the 5-minute kill. Their goaltending sucked, and the shortened bench was felt this game. Pittsburgh got embarrassed last game and everything went 180 on this one. But can't deny those same disturbing trends showed up again. The last game got real chippy and they weren't pushed around. This game? Instead of the 40-minute game efforts we'd been seeing we got a 15:00. PIT came to play and the New York Rangers didn't. Just need to flush this one and move on.

E


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:08 pm EST

BTW, just reading the high/lowlites now. Crosby challenged McDonagh after McD hit Sheary into the boards. Interesting. Do you think if it was reversed McD would challenge Crosby? Of course not. Not in AV's pansified world. Gawd, what is with this franchise that seems to embrace being a bunch of intimidated sucks? Gawd, what's with me and my unending loyalty to this stupidity? I mean what is stupider? F U AV - go find a mirror and see if you can locate your penis you dickhead.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:01 pm EST

stevie: No AssVipe would definitely be the silver lining in the dark cloud that would constitute a Ranger failing.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:39 pm EST

RF4L: After I posted that I started thinking the same thing. And then I started thinking that there are only a few that don't work for MSG anyway. So......there will be no meaningful questions asked of AV.

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:32 pm EST

I wonder if the Panthers will take what's his shit back for McI...

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:31 pm EST

Vic: You know there will be ZERO questions from the NY media to AV about his goalie choice...

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:09 pm EST

ass vipe back on track not to be here by 2017.....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:05 pm EST

HOSPO: Not going to happen. They went out of their way to remove any of those things from the roster. What you see is what you get.....

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:48 pm EST

andrei -you play a different game, one with some heart, guts and grind...They better learn

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:47 pm EST

In addition to the utterly worthless 4th line and Vesey's recent invisibility, PIrri's warts are starting to show as ecpected when he isn't just asked to be a scoring specilist...I'd think about JT MILLER back at CENTER.....And CALL UP GLASS!!!

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:46 pm EST

Hospo, what to expect? We lost number one center-man and a top 6 forward. Your other top center-man suck balls, and sucked all season. Krider has not being the same since the injury and looks lost. Hank has a horrible year. Jorris is good for one game, but now he is playing top 9 minutes.

andrei


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:38 pm EST

Msg is dizzkneeland

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:37 pm EST

Well, Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Thanks RFC Mods! I will begin drinking early tomorrow as we will be spending the day at Disneyland.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:36 pm EST

Thankfully that's over but there is more to come for the typical holiday season play... team bonding Friday at Bloomingdales... shop til you drop.....spend that unearned pay in 3 out of 4 games ...

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:32 pm EST

Bottom line, In three of the last 4 games, the Opponent has shut down the Rangers breakout and long passes...they have been reduced to nothing in those games..,total inability to wrokk and grind for a goal..It could become more common as teams have leantreed what they need to do

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:30 pm EST

Pirri.....a little too late

rngrsans


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:28 pm EST

Goalie didn't matter..The Pens just made the Ranger forwards quit and cower for the last two periods

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:28 pm EST

Goalie didn't matter..The Pens just made the Ranger forwards quit and cower for the last two periods

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:27 pm EST

rangerlou - said that long ago,,,the pens followed Crosby's lead...We have pricks like Jooris and Fast and whoever, who were fine with a Penguin jumping and pounding a teamate..

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:26 pm EST

And I called all of this BS with AV and HANK before the Florida game. He created this mess. Now he has to live with the questions that should be coming about HANK and RAANTA.

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:25 pm EST

Wow a sog first of the period less than 4 minutes left as ass vipe chews away

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:25 pm EST

Put a body on somebody you bunch of pansies,!!!......I MISS TURNER GLASS!!! Hinestly, I'd call hius ass up tomorrow and sit down feebes like LIndberger and Joorise...Hell, Fast has been azero for quite awhile....aAnd Vesey needs a breather to collect himslef and learn

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:23 pm EST

Can these 2 morons stop the rambling mumbling bs

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:21 pm EST

Since Crosby mugged McDonough. This game was lost.Thats what a leader does

rangerlou


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:21 pm EST

6-1 pull rannta out put ass vipe in ... 4 point game after tonight nyr 29 pigeons 27

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:20 pm EST

This all started with a really bad unforced turnover by SKJEI. It has been a nightmare from there. Nobody playing well except GRABNER. And the Rangers totally mailed this one in after the 2nd. They are already thinking about the day off tomorrow.

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:19 pm EST

Maybe if capt zero had gotten himself thrown out of this game the nyr would have woken up before thanksgiving.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:16 pm EST

This is a complete surrender by the Rangers in this period. No emotion or effort. It is embarrassing. I hope the Garden is empty when the final horn sounds. That is what these players and coaches deserve.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:15 pm EST

STEVIE - Yep, they may not win, but they sure are sneding a physical message

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:15 pm EST

0 shots on goal....good pep talk in between periods....Captain?????

rngrsans


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:15 pm EST

16 shots on rannta nyr have less for the whole game

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:14 pm EST

Bob - Hah..like the Sienfeld episode with the GYm teacher...and the book......cantstandya.costanza......And can somenody plese shoot Nosen and Dickaletti....The who;e team has quit..the pens made them quit.....

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:12 pm EST

Nyr really came out inspired in the 3 rd simple amazing... real pushback and forth

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:10 pm EST

Thanks RF4L, I already shut this off.

WIOSA


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:09 pm EST

TD is probably sitting in the stairwell mumbling "get Jake Trouba....get Jake Trouba" to himself.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:08 pm EST

andrei; I didn't mean Hank wasn't our #1 and wouldn't play in playoffs but now when Raanta clearly had a great game Monday...why not play him against the Pens again? Hank is still #1 but he also could use a bit of a wake-up.... Sorry....Just my opinion..

rngrsans


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:08 pm EST

Hospo don't worry he won't remember the game after his imbibing into oblivion...

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:06 pm EST

Kreider-Fast-Lindberg. LOL!

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:06 pm EST

Even that uber talented 4th line doesn't hit anybody..they do nothing....And I love Brady Skjei, was his main proponent in training camop, but hit somebody for once god damn it!!!

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:03 pm EST

Oh god, I completley forgot about TDCHI being at this game..Poor guy...Even this is too much to wish upon somebody....

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:02 pm EST

Also to my US friends: Happy thanksgiving all!! Don't let this clunker ruin your day tomorrow...it's all a facade anyways with AV behind the bench! ;^)

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:02 pm EST

For my US friends: Auston Matthews back on track - 2 goals tonight, plus an assist. This kid is a beast with ridiculous upside. Fun to watch, too. When he finally adds some physicality to his game, watch out.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:01 pm EST

KIS - I've been saying that all year..The NHL sucks,..It's been tolerabe when the Rangers were winning for the mostp art but there totally neutered play, their constant looking for the pretty stretch pass and fancy perimeter plays rather then driving the net aant thier recent philosophy that they are too good to hit or grind...It sucks..It's nauseating to watch..I almost hope for the oppositin to obluterate a Ranger to maybe draw a respomse..But..no..turn and kiss the other cheek

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:00 pm EST

andrei: It doesn't kick in until next summer. Not sure the timing of that vs the expansion draft. Dumb contract as some of us said from the start. He's a solid NHLer but not a $6,500,000 player. Never was and never will be.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:59 pm EST

BTW, this for me looks good on the coach for his decision to start the King. Oh, and how many more years does the King have on his enormous deal? Lots, I think!

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:57 pm EST

RF4L, not sure if u can expose NTC player via draft. If we can, i'm all for it.

andrei


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:55 pm EST

Not watching the game tonight (thankfully TD warned us he'd be in the stands) but really boys and girls are you surprised at the lack of physicality/pushback/whatever-you-wanna-call-it from the Rangers? This is what AV wants and what he's been granted by Gorther. A whistle to whistle team that can skate and has skill but has zero interest in the intimidation aspect of the game.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:51 pm EST

Expose Stepan in the expansion draft to get rid of his stupid contract................

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:51 pm EST

TD: STOP GOING TO RANGER GAMES!!!!!

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:50 pm EST

Hank better get his proverbial shit together.

Z


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:50 pm EST

Btw, another great game by $6.5 million per year player, Stepan. Way to go, man. Just when you need someone to step up... Nice 30 feet aay shots. Very high % play. Nice face-off stats, 44.8%...

andrei


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:48 pm EST

I remember being at MSG for games like this. it was not fun.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:42 pm EST

rngrsans, you can't do that. Fleury was injured, which is why back up played. You can't "play" a hot goaltender in NHL. No team can go without a clear number 1 for a long stretches. Welcome to Anaheim/STL/Calgary, etc... This is how you have goaltending controversies which are horrible for the team's chemistry. This is not PlayStation's NHL17.

andrei


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:41 pm EST

That wasn't a pushback nosendick that was a major swirly...

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:41 pm EST

NHL must stand for the No Hit League

KIS


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:38 pm EST

Fleury and hanky imperfect together...

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:37 pm EST

Can't watch it anymore. "O, Sam.. Pitsburg is great. O, Sam.. Latang is playing great tonight. Two great plays..". Hank was horrible all game today. Just like last game. Well, I guess this is how it is feels when you have bad goal-tending. Hank needs a break..

andrei


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:35 pm EST

Sometimes this team plays like a bunch of cunts. They have no balls and won't hit anything. Somebody should tell them this isn't tennis it's ok to be physical That's what I have always hated about AssVipe. He only has the team play one way. If they can't play that one way, they get their ass kicked usually.

KIS


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:34 pm EST

Somebody throw a fucking body check this is embarrassing

tlats


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:34 pm EST

The coach needed to go with the momentum of Raanta.....Now the team is in a tailspin at home......Embarrasing

rngrsans


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:33 pm EST

Turkey with hockey puck stuffing, eat up turkeys

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:33 pm EST

Here's the thing: Hank has been declining for some time but it has been slow...He is a good goalie but much like other great goalies he needs to know when he shares the goal....Raanta has been great this year and V won't play the "hot goalie".....Look who won the cup last year? It wasn't fleury.....

rngrsans


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:33 pm EST

Who needs a Turkey ....When we have this game

rangerlou


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:32 pm EST

This is all TDCHI's fault!

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:32 pm EST

What an EMBARRASSMENT

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:31 pm EST

Reminds me of last year's playoffs. Including Henrik in last years' playoffs.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:31 pm EST

Crosby is f#ckin' Humiliating McDonagh right now. This is a new low in the rivalry. Life of a NYR fan.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:29 pm EST

Bye bye Hank have a good rest

tlats


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:28 pm EST

wow we're sucking big time tonight

WIOSA


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:27 pm EST

Vic you win the contest

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:27 pm EST

Pull hanky ass vipe

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:26 pm EST

The 4th line has been less than useless in this game. Of course, Marc Stall just was made to look like a pee wee by Kessel.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:25 pm EST

If Raanta was in we'd be up 1-0. He's the best goalie ever. Shrugs away Phil Kessel wrist shots like they're nothing

RDW


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:23 pm EST

Great shift by that physical 4th line to change the game...haha...Lindberger and jooris have done nithiung to convince me they don't suck.

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:23 pm EST

The king has fallen. He is no longer the king. You can't marry yourself to somebody in professional sports you won't win. Being sentimental is good for hallmark not a pro sports team. Murray out playing the king. Rannata playing better than Hank right now as well

KIS


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:22 pm EST

Turnabout is fair play I guess.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:22 pm EST

Uncle Ranta should be in goal

rangerlou


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:21 pm EST

Complete reverse of Monday! UGH

rngrsans


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:19 pm EST

tlats: He would be outplaying anyone with the way he was looking in this last stretch

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:19 pm EST

Might be the most annoying thing in the NHL. Linesman makes a guy move his feet to get into proper face off position...player moves back, than IMMEDIATELY goes right back to the exact position he was in and the guy just drops the puck....whats the point of moving him the first time?

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:18 pm EST

The KING with 2 very long passes. Murray is standing on his head. Rangers are getting some prime chances.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:15 pm EST

Murray out playing Hank right now

tlats


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:14 pm EST

Grabner is a freakin beast.

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:13 pm EST

This is an epic bad night, wow.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:12 pm EST

!@#$!

WIOSA


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:04 pm EST

"Do You Want To Know A Secret" You'll never know how much I really love you You'll never know how much I really care Listen Do you want to know a secret Do you promise not to tell, whoa oh, oh Closer Let me whisper in your ear Say the words you long to hear I'm in love with you Listen Do you want to know a secret Do you promise not to tell, whoa oh, oh Closer Let me whisper in your ear Say the words you long to hear I'm in love with you I've known the secret for a week or two Nobody knows, just we two Listen Do you want to know a secret Do you promise not to tell, whoa oh, oh Closer Let me whisper in your ear Say the words you long to hear I'm in love with you

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:59 pm EST

Ooh, oo-oo-oo-ooh (Ooh-oo-ooh) Ooh-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh Ahh, ah-ah-ah-ahh (Rag doll, ooh) Ooh-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh (Hand-me-down) When she was just a kid her clothes were hand-me-down (Hand-me-down) They always laughed at her when she came into town Called her rag doll, little rag doll Such a pretty face should be dressed in lace Ooh, oo-oo-oo-ooh (Ooh-oo-ooh) Ooh-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh (Sad rag doll) I'd change her sad rags into glad rags if I could (If I could) My folks won't let me 'cause they say that she's no good She's a rag doll, such a rag doll Though I love her so, I can't let her know Ooh, oo-oo-oo-ooh (Ooh-oo-ooh) Ooh-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh Ahh, ah-ah-ah-ahh (Rag doll, ooh) I love you just the way you are A-ahh, ah-ah-ah-ah ah-ahh (Rag doll, ooh) Ooh-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:59 pm EST

Did he rag doll AND ice face plant him also? My God this is worse than i thought?

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:57 pm EST

Lyrics Rag doll, livin' in a movie Hot tramp, daddy's little cutie You're so fine, they'll never see ya leavin' by the back door, mam Hot time get it while it's easy Don't mind come on up and see me Rag doll baby won't you do me like you done before I'm feelin' like a bad boy Mm just a like a bad boy I'm rippin' up a Rag Doll Like throwin' away an old toy Some babe's talkin' real loud Talkin' all about the new crowd Try and tell me of an old dream A new version of the old scene Speak easy on the grape vine Keep shufflin' in a shoe shine Old tin lizzy do it till you're dizzy Give it all ya got until you're put out of your misery Rag doll, livin' in a movie Hot tramp, daddy's little cutie You're so fine, they'll never see ya leavin' by the back door, mam Hot time… Full lyrics on Google Play Music

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:57 pm EST

Ass Wipe has given clear instructions to play like cowards. I want this brought up in the post larry. Im kind of embarrassed right now. Pens fans could have a field-day with this one.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:56 pm EST

hip: Like I said, I kind of hope McD saw it was Crosby and was trying to take him out for a good while off the ice.....but we will never know.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:54 pm EST

Does something remain a conspiracy theory until proven true? Well, we all just wittnessed a complete an utter advantage special treatment given to CROSBY. UN friggin' BELIEVABLE!!! Blatant bad call by the officials right there. Im very disappointed to see MCDONAGH get "rag-dolled" on home ice by that bad mustache over bite whiner. God I hate Pittsburgh, and CROSBY literally makes me sick!! Happy Thanksgiving everyone, lol!;-)

hipcheck


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:51 pm EST

Ass vipe between periods instruction ' nobody go after skidmark , he is the next one you know....'.....'capt zero you did the right thing after that dumb penalty, nice turtle after the whistle '....you looked like a rag doll getting dragged and punched by the NHL super star' ....whistle to whistle , good job boys'....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:48 pm EST

The moronic refereeing in the NHL continues. And piss on AV for not losing his mind at the referee after that. 5 minute major my arse.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:48 pm EST

I wonder if McD thought by just dropping that Crosby would have gotten (what he should have) 2 for instigating, 5 for fighting and a 10 minute misconduct and that but turtling he would take the best Pens player out for 17 minutes of action....would love to now if he thought that or not....if so I say do that any time a guy like Crosby loses it...even though the NHL decides to lay off those star players.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:47 pm EST

Crosby did what vyou want a captain or a leader to do...Refs blew the call...Ragers continued ther ball-less kiss the other cheek philosophy..It's niaseating..but Ig giess it wins games...

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:46 pm EST

NYR = Pussies Inc. I know we had a bunch of born again Chrstians on the ice but not one guy even pulled that little piece of shit Crosby off of your captain? Disgraceful

Fotiu22


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:46 pm EST

Killing me I can't watch this game. Anyone know a good link?

barto


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:42 pm EST

The real Sidney......https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eBhdLr00Ai0

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:41 pm EST

Stevie; Good point about Mac. They stood around and watched him turtle. Lol

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:41 pm EST

True they should jump in; maybe some payback later...just hate the special treatment

nyfans


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:40 pm EST

I didn't even think it was a hard boarding. A full 5 for that? Whatever

E


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:40 pm EST

Man, do i hate stinking Shitsburg team and there little winy bitch, Crosby.. So Crosby instigates the fight, drops the gloves and punches defensless Mac, and he get's 2 min. Mac get's 2 min for being jumped on, and get's 5 min boarding for 2 min crosscheck penalty?

andrei


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:40 pm EST

Crosby with 2 when his gloves are on the ice trying to bravely pummel a prone player? Yeah, that's about right... WTF?

E


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:38 pm EST

When has capt zero come to the aid or defense of a teammate?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:38 pm EST

The bitches were the Rangersin that case

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:36 pm EST

Crossdresserby us such a little whining bitch

nyfans


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:35 pm EST

Bogus major.on Mcd...but a penalty....still..Good play by Crosby coming to the aid of hi teamates...Fuck the pansy Rangers who did nothing for MCD, especially #86, whoever the fuck that is, and the feeble Swedes..

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:34 pm EST

NHL sucks huge donkey COCK. ....

rangerlou


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:34 pm EST

Capt zero grow a pair and fight that pos tonight

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:33 pm EST

Crosby drops his gloves and throws punches and gets 2 ? FU NHL

stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:25 pm EST

Smiles and respect in the middle of game/arguement? The new NHL..Pfffffffttttttt......NIce PP goal by Nash....Good team D so far

Hospo


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:19 pm EST

Its a Power Play GOOOOAAAAALLL

rangerlou


Wed Nov 23 2016 7:17 pm EST

Dick rash a ppg

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 4:51 pm EST

this year could be strange with teams making moves leading up to June 17th....thats the day they need to submit their protected lists for the expansion draft. Teams may try to make moves to adjust who they must protect and who they will have exposed. Then I would imagine teams will makes moves after the expansion draft to fill wholes left by said draft leading up to and including at the draft. Should make for a interesting couple weeks in the summer.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 4:37 pm EST

Dan Girardi,Henrik Lundqvist,Rick Nash,Marc Staal are the required protected players.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 4:35 pm EST

SO according to the protected list, Nash must be protected due to wording of his contract and rules. Even though his NMC was downgraded to a 12 team list, unless he OKs it he can say that Vegas is NOT one of the 12 teams.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 23 2016 3:39 pm EST

Vic i can handle rannta's he's still young, but buek's is a bust....looks like he's in the 2nd grade in 1955......ulf's was almost as bad..... d coach stands for ?....dumb ?.....then there's calvin klein's...whew......cbgb punk rockers......need to add some color like nyr blue...lol.....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 3:32 pm EST

No, his haircut looks more like the barber school at the Junction (Flatbush & Nostrand Aves.)

RF73


Wed Nov 23 2016 2:30 pm EST

E: Agreed. I was more than 25 feet away, but my seats are in the front of the upper level on that goal line. I had a good view of it also and the replay from above clearly showed what happened. They make calls that make no sense based on the replay. Once the puck is shot and hits the goalie the play is over. The Islanders are not good. Of course, neither are the Ducks. LA, SJ must have rejoiced when Murray hired Carlyle back. A terrible blunder. The game has passed him by a long time ago. The good bews is that I won't be spending a boatload on playoff tickets this season.

Bob


Wed Nov 23 2016 2:19 pm EST

STEVIE: You don't have to hope for it. It is almost certain to happen. What are the odds that HANK is in goal to start the 3rd period tonight? 50/50 at best. As for BEUK's haircut, I believe he and RAANTA got a 2 for 1 special at the Aaron School in NYC......

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 1:10 pm EST

Nick a small part of me hopes hanky gets shelled and pulled tonight so ass vipe has egg on his stubborn gum cow chewing face....let's see him and hanky, along with allaire be right tonight....odds ?... too much to reward antti tonight or until he loses ? ....side note, ....what's with beukeboom's haircut? is that a new student barber school cut?.....if he pays more than $5 for that, he was robbed at scissor point....alias edward scissorhand.....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 1:05 pm EST

Dougie Hamilton trade and subsequent signing to that fat contract - another job well done courtesy of the most over-rated hockey man in the NHL Brian Burke. Stay the heck away Gorther - that's an albatross contract unless inexplicably Hamilton matures/develops overnight.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 1:01 pm EST

tdchi- Yeah, agreed on Hamilton. Some upside etc. But I think taking on that contract is pretty problematic. Our guys know that if everyone tries to break the bank, we can never compete. Hamilton instantly becomes our highest paid D and 3rd highest paid skater. He is 3rd pairing D for Calgary.

Ola


Wed Nov 23 2016 1:01 pm EST

Did anyone seriously expect AV to start the backup goalie 2 games in a row against the Cup winners? Over the $8 Million Man? Think of the great arguments we can have in 2-3-4 years when Hank is washed up for real. Man he would look good in one of those new 'Golden Knights' unies. And really -- "Golden Knights"? Was "Generic Sports Team" already taken?

Nick


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:59 pm EST

I don't know why but Dougie Hamilton reminds me of Tom Poti.

E


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:57 pm EST

BOB: November 2016 has been a rough month for the officiating in general. That stated, I was 25' from the play and had a perfect view of it. Never should've counted and the NYI got gifted a win. Happy Thanksgiving to them. I'll state this though. That was not the NYI team I've seen a few times in the past years. They were slow, didn't have that physical smash mouth style. Tavares was skating on an island alone. Such a shame, I spent a lot of the game eyes on Tavares. That kid is awesome. Anywho... F-the Isles I say.

E


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:46 pm EST

this tells it all......Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1h1 hour ago AV, asked if he ever considered starting Raanta tonight, "No."

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:34 pm EST

I get the Fleury to the Flames thoughts but Calgary gave up a decent haul at the June draft to land Brian Elliot. IMO, it wasn't a wise move because Elliot is really a very good backup. As a starting goalie he's resume is lacking. That said, they didn't give up the farm to get him and he's an UFA at year's end so there's certainly some logic there. IMO, the Flames are better off, however, trying to land a younger goalie and have the team grow with him vs an over 30 veteran.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:17 pm EST

Lotta speculation the Flames are gonna deal Dougie HAMILTON and that the price will be far less prohibitive than what was being floated for TROUBA last month...Guy over at Blueshirt Banter was thinking LINDBERG, KLEIN and change, which I can't see the Flames taking...but then again, Hamilton has a pretty big contract for what he's done for the Flames...I should also add there's a rumor the Pens are kicking the tires too...and I could easily envision FLEURY getting shipped to the Flames in exchange...Now, I'm no big Hamilton fan...always thought he was kind of overrated...and I'm not so sure I'd want to disrupt what the Rangers have on D...NTM, adding ANOTHER $5 million-plus contact to the backline...and another guy the Rangers would need to protect...is probably not the wisest of ideas...but he would be a pretty significant upgrade over Klein if, in fact, the price is right. Just gonna put that out there...

tdchi


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:08 pm EST

Re: the Isles - I really don't know what the F Snow was thinking in letting OKPOSO, NIELSON and MARTIN go. Could have easily retained one of those guys by not signing LADD, who was running out of gas in Winnipeg and damn near empty when he pulled into Chicago. And then CHIMERA...man...wasn't a bad signing per se...but if it were between keeping MARTIN and signing Chimera? Cheesus....dumb move...I mean, rationally, you would expect that with what the Islanders have in the system...BARZAL, DAL COLLE, BEAUVILLIER, POLUCK and now BELLOWS....plus a maturing STROME...I guess you could say there's an expectation that one of these rooks is going to step up...and were I to improve anything in that organization...ANYTHING...it would have been the guy between the pipes...you don't let three players that were quite literally the identity of your team flee to sign a few others that are running on empty if you have an issue like the Isles have had with HALAK...you just don't....and time and time again, they let that guy slide when he hasn't done SQUAT in the NHL since leading the Habs on their unlikely cup run almost a decade ago....Don't think the Isles are done...and I suspect they make a few moves and rebound...if there's one thing Snow has, it's assets. A lot of them...but they took two steps back when they could have easily taken another one forward...and Zero Hour is coming quick for TAVARES to decide whether he wants a legit shot at the cup or finish his career in anonymity on Long Island.

tdchi


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:04 pm EST

tdchi - haha, I spit out my coffee...too funny, well done!!! It was a tough few months, everyday on the news "here is where the Stanley Cup is today"...I hibernated for a long while, good thing I work from home (best part about them closing my office..no commute and no shitty Pittsburgh sports on the radio). RF4L - I agree, not a sellers market, but a goalie like Fleury, regardless of his past playoff performances, will still garner a decent NHL player or two. As you said, Dallas is an option, but there are other fringe teams who I could see jumping at the chance to upgrade their G position too (Calgary perhaps?) Either way, Fleury is a good chip to trade and will give them a decent return.

Tikkanen


Wed Nov 23 2016 12:04 pm EST

BTW... I love the Matt Puempel pickup. No risk, high reward type deal. if it doesn't work out, it cost's us nothing. The kid has been on a crap team with even crappier linemates. It will be interesting to see what he can do in a better organization with some pretty terrific linemates (no matter which line he may play on. I wouldn't be surprised to see him blossom here. It also keeps Nieves in Hartford playing first line minutes where he should be.... VIC.... LOL... I had the very same thought about the NY Post. GMTA.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:54 am EST

Ass Vipe has learned nothing...and because of that he will NEVER help his team win the whole thing...He went to talk to the goalies and Hank showed him his palm and said "Talk to the hand"...Even if Hank pitches a shutout tonight, the longer term "smart" move was playing Raanta.

RF73


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:54 am EST

TIK!! My man. Was hoping maybe you were in a coma for that whole avalanche of dogshit that cascaded down over the NHL. Was the first time in a VERY long time that I didn't watch a single straight minute of the cup finals. I accidentally surfed into it for a few seconds here and there...but ugh...talk about a stinker final...worst matchup in years...I blame OVECHKIN and his stinking Capitals for letting that shitshow transpire and they are now a not-too-distant second on my NHL hate-o-meter. Never asked that friggin' troglodyte Russian for as much as a rat turd off the bottom of his shoe...and the one thing I needed from him and that hair-tossing valley girl they have in net was for them to beat the Penguins FOUR measly times in seven games...and that choke-artist couldn't do squat...even with a goddamn all-star team around him...beaten like a baby seal...clubbed like Clubber Lang....and we poor bastards get the fallout...an NHL final pitting horseface and a furiously masturbating Pierre McGuire against a team that probably shouldn't have gotten out of the first round...Hard to talk about it even now...So I'm glad you got to witness a little karma coming up to bite that shitstain of a team. And man, do I pray I get a little of the same tonight with a Ranger win. My feeling is that I better drink heavy because the forecast for the Rangers tonight with me in the building is a 75 percent chance of mediocrity. Please, Hockey Gods. Shine your light on me!

tdchi


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:54 am EST

#12.....a bad choice if you as me. That number hasn't spelled success in the past for others. Maybe the reason he took it is that he plans to be similarly insignificant.......

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:45 am EST

jnyr - Think we're in 220. Look for the overly intoxicated group of four intermittently yelling "SUCK IT CROSBY!!!" Or in case of a bad outcome, showing beer cups on the ice and getting forcibly ejected.

tdchi


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:43 am EST

Jerry - Nah upstate NY guy...New Yorker through and through, save for a quick work-related exile to Vermont. And yes, that is the plan, my man!

tdchi


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:37 am EST

rf after his bs about talking to his goalies , yes. ....but i should have known better...hanky calls the shots not ass vipe.....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:26 am EST

stevie: Surely you're not in the least bit surprised. Right?

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 11:22 am EST

ass vipe no balls.....Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 46m46 minutes ago ICYMI Matt Puempel assigned No. 12. Looks like same lines from Pens game. Lundqvist in starters net for skate

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:57 am EST

FWIW, here's a possibility: Fleury to Dallas for a d-man and one of their Finnish goalies (with Dallas eating perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of that goalie's salary). The Pens will not protect their new goalie hoping he gets picked by the Golden Showers.

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:55 am EST

Tik: I think the Pens have to deal one of their goalies (and surely it'll be the older and most costly Fleury) lest they lose one at the expansion draft. Who needs a goalie right now, however? I don't believe it's a seller's market...

RF4L


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:53 am EST

BTW, when I first heard what they were going to call that team I had an immediate image pop into my head. I could already see the back cover of the NY Post after the Rangers go into Las Vegas and lose for the first time. You just know the back cover is going to read: "GOLDEN SHOWER!" or "Rangers on receiving end of Golden Shower". If I know those icons of taste and decency over at The Post it will have some variation on that theme.......

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:39 am EST

RHET: Don't you think it is fitting? Doesn't that city go hand in hand with a "porn mustache" name like the Golden Knights? I was in Vegas in the late 80s when I was in my early 20s. Had a lot fun in old down town. The city seemed a little seedy but fun back then. The people were more or less normal and it wasn't too crowded. I had not been back until a few years ago. OMG what a change. It was mobbed with people. Everywhere I looked I saw nothing but gaudy, porn set like aesthetics. Every hotel...every shop...every casino.......the stench of desperation hung in the air. The stench of wasted lives was everywhere. The city reeks of gaudy wealth while the people walking around have that glazed look in their eyes like they just blew their latest welfare or social security check at the casino and they are going home at 9AM to go get drunk again.

Vic


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:26 am EST

Apparently, instead of going with a really cool name like the Las Vegas Knights, The 31st NHL franchise decides to go with the Vegas Golden Knights, which sounds like it should be on a condom package.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 23 2016 10:16 am EST

NY Rangers PR ‏@NYRangersPR ...... NYR Prospect Update: Defenseman Sergey Zborovskiy has tallied a point in 15 of 18 games with Regina (WHL) this season (2 goals, 13 assists).

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:41 am EST

I have taken a lot of sh!t the past 7 months here in Pittsburgh since the Rangers were embarrassed by the Tankuin$...that, and that little trophy that DBag team won, so it was really nice to be at the game Monday to see a win. The Penguins to me are the team to beat, no doubt about it still. Sullivan has them playing above their talent level, at least from a D-man perspective, but their D is exploitable. IMO, they will get stronger closer to the trade deadline, they are going to have to deal one of their goalies and they will get good return. Hopefully the Rangers follow suit (not trading a goalie) but are able to bolster their D with a more fluid skating D-man. The key to beating the Pens is to putting them on their heels and you do that with speed and pressure (tenacious four-checking with some hitting). Overall, I am happy with this team and hoping the Pens sh!t the bed and the Rangers can overtake them again. Happy Thanksgiving Yinzers! :)

Tikkanen


Wed Nov 23 2016 9:34 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏@RickCarpiniello 1d1 day ago To be honest, 5 of last 6 NYR goals pretty lucky ... two off skates, one off a butt, one a deflection right back to Nash & a pass turned ENG .... Rick Carpiniello ‏@RickCarpiniello 2d2 days ago Worst team in the history of hockey, to the best team in the history of hockey, all in less than 20 minutes.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 8:08 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/22/rangers-dont-have-goalie-controversy-but-have-a-2m-steal/

stevielegs


Wed Nov 23 2016 1:17 am EST

The refs hose Anaheim out of the extra point with an indefensible decision on a shootout goal by Thomas Hickey. How they could possibly make the decision they made, other than that they did not have the onions to overturn their own incorrect call, is beyond me.

Bob


Tue Nov 22 2016 11:54 pm EST

I'm sitting watching the Islanders game against the Ducks. The Isles really suck. What a bunch of bumbling moves Snow has made. They've got Clutterbufk spending time on the top line with Tavares. How the hell could they let that 4th line breakup? They were mayhem. The Isles are incredibly ho-hum now.

E


Tue Nov 22 2016 11:42 pm EST

td: enjoy the game....I'm in Sec 210 tomorrow

jnyr


Tue Nov 22 2016 9:24 pm EST

tdchi: Drink All Day and Rock All Night? BTW I thought you live in VA?

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Nov 22 2016 8:28 pm EST

Antti will be in tomorrow night. Ass vipe would not have said I haven't spoken with my goalies since usually there are games planned in advance for rannta. This might be the first time a backup goalie has played two in a row while Hank is healthy in the last 4 or more years.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 22 2016 5:02 pm EST

hip/RF4L - Still a chance I may miss it! Gonna be in the city three hours before puck drop with a couple college buddies that know how to put 'em back as good as I do. Riding the train with one and a twelver that will probably be gone before we hit Manhattan...and if we DO make it to our seats, there's a very strong likelihood that someone will take issue with my verbage directed to a certain horsefaced whining little bitch of a hockey player and ol' Sully, who decided to learn how to coach after leaving the Rangers. And I guarantee there will be a loud chorus of "SUCK IT, CROSBY" echoing from my general vicinity at the Garden tomorrow...so maybe the ushers will spare us all the L!

tdchi


Tue Nov 22 2016 4:19 pm EST

TD, -- LOL, do us all a favor and don't go!! j/k'ing Man', have fun and break the cycle. A Ranger win would really be awesome going into the long holiday weekend.

hipcheck


Tue Nov 22 2016 4:15 pm EST

I was a bad, bad Ranger Fan last night. I turned the game off in total disgust down 0-2. Boy what a wonderful jolt of happiness I received when I checked the score on my phone at 5:00am.

hipcheck


Tue Nov 22 2016 4:09 pm EST

TD: LOLOL...you sure can be expressive in your posts! LOLOL...

RF4L


Tue Nov 22 2016 3:12 pm EST

I'd bet dollars to donuts that LUNDQVIST gets the start tomorrow...which...incidentally...I'm calling a loss...why? Because I'll be there. But I also full intend to not remember the third, so hopefully they'll keep it close and/or tied...sort of like they did the last time I saw the Rangers-Pens...back when a little imp named Jordan Staal scored his first career goal...shorthanded versus Hank...Drank my face off...left the game totally oblivious to the fact that Horseface, who I already disliked at that point, scored the GWG: http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/200610120NYR.html

tdchi


Tue Nov 22 2016 2:59 pm EST

If it's Raanta over the King because of the former's superior puck-handling skills then the King needs to take a seat on the bench for most of the rest of his Ranger career. He's always been weak in that aspect of his game but it's never prevented his coach from starting him 65 to 70 games a season. Don't get me wrong here folks - I too, think Raanta deserves to start against the Pens but more perhaps because he's basically playing better than the King than anything else. What's the coach thinking I wonder. We'll find out soon enough...

RF4L


Tue Nov 22 2016 2:13 pm EST

Me thinks Ranta gets the nod for tomorrows game. He is playing great and what we brings to the table is his ability to handle the puck. Hank always send the puck around the boards to 1/2 wall, where the other team is waiting for it. Or Hank will send a weak pass with no velocity that gets picked off. We seen this two years ago with Cam, who also was much stronger handling the puck vs Hank. That puck handling also excels the offense, and players feed off of it. Let Hank rest, he will get his chances!

Jerry_Garcia


Tue Nov 22 2016 12:46 pm EST

WILD: Good point. A lot of that goes back to last year and this team's horrible team defense. I can't blame HANK if he was looking at one uncontested shot after another from the slot.

Vic


Tue Nov 22 2016 12:37 pm EST

Vic: I don't remember...I think your right though that the Pens have lit Hank up. At the same time, I don't know what the circumstances were around the goals and the like, would have to go look at them, and thats a lot to look at. I can't remember if he was bad, or if the goals were that good and the D in front of him allowed great chances.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 22 2016 12:30 pm EST

WILD: Regarding starting HANK on Wednesday......haven't the Pens lit him up like the last 4 or 5 games or so? If so, why tempt fate especially when we know HANK isn't playing well to start with.

Vic


Tue Nov 22 2016 12:16 pm EST

In some prospect news about a goalie not in the KHL, Adam Huska just names Hockey East rookie of the week. Just shut out BU. The thing I think is really good is he has stopped 30 or more shots in 6 of his 7 starts...thats a lot of work, and for a goalie work is good for development. The Rangers (hopefully) are sitting on 2 future top end goalies. Seems the other young guys int he AHL/ECHL are not doing so well, hopefully they can turn things around, Skapski I always thought would make a good backup, hope he can still get there...a good backup is important.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 22 2016 12:05 pm EST

My question is the net. Tomorrow night I would at first say "put Ranta back in". Then I think about this, what if the rest of the team goes into that game playing great, and they don't need as much in net? in THAT case getting Hank in there to get a win could be a good confidence boost for a guy who has had some bad plays and bad luck ( go watch the game winning SO goal, the puck hits his vertical stick and finds a way to climb over it and have enough momentum to cross the line, how many times out of 100 would that happen?) Also, the way NHL teams are now, with the staff they have, there has been at least person, probably 3 or 4 watching tape, and they are looking at how Fanta made saves and when he looked like he struggled to, and what shooting lanes looked like they were harder for him to make saves with and they will be ready to tell the players how to adjust. Changing who is in net MIGHT put them to their base attack ideas and that will look like last game and the Rangers D can be more prepared. So, do you play the mental game of Hank, or do you play the hot hand in Ranta? Also, Ranta has been very good, but very good in spot action, perhaps the time between games is part of it, don't want to risk his confidence if he goes and gets beat up a little. Not something I envy when it comes to coaching. AV has had a couple of these things so far, up front on D and in net....injuries have helped him not have to make to many hard choices yet, but this team is deep this year, and anyone can suddenly be the hero....who as a HC can you feel good about sitting out?

Wildcard


Tue Nov 22 2016 11:32 am EST

td: I wonder what mental stuff came into play last night. With ZBad out every guy probably felt he had to step up. Human nature being what it is, very few people can have that top level all of the time and most people can find an extra gear when they need to. That can happen with back up net-minders as well, or just a switch in net. Gets guys heads into that full effort mode. It can't last forever, but if they can bring that mindset for MOST of the games ZBad is out they will have a decent shot in each game. Hopefully if thats the case some of the effort levels will become habit,and will help the rest of the way.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 22 2016 11:16 am EST

NYStranger - that's all good news, frankly. When I saw the replay of that injury, my first thought was that Z was out for the season. That looked friggin' nasty. Non-displaced fracture means quicker heal time...probably also means his ligaments and tendons didn't get stretched to shit...still absolutely sucks to lose a player like that for any period of time...I know some of the pundits were bagging on his lack of production...the great slow down...but Z was playing good hockey even when he wasn't scoring or putting up points. Very valuable member of this team and a major reason why they've done such an abrupt 180 from last year's morass...Not that BRASSARD was bad...he wasn't...very good player in his own rite...but he and STEPAN were pretty much the same type of center...this pass-first finesse player...Zibanejad really brings something new to the table, which is a right-handed, defensive-minded center who loves to drive to the net and use his size...the fact that they didn't skip a beat last night...and actually played better....well, that's very encouraging...as much so as the six-to-eight week non-displaced fracture prognosis.

tdchi


Tue Nov 22 2016 10:12 am EST

The Post states that Zbad willl not require surgery to correct the non displaced fibula fracture...that has got to be a good sign, right?

NYStranger


Tue Nov 22 2016 10:02 am EST

I think part of it Stevie is that Raanta handles the puck with a modicum of ability. Hank seems to now even have trouble going behind the net to stop the wrap around dump-ins. More than a few times a game, every game, Hank puts one of his D men in a bad spot with his horrible stick handling skills. Then to see him get angry over Miller's mistake deflection last game....he does this far too often acting the prima donna and calling out a teamate who often is risking bodly injury laying out infront of shots. Yes sometimes those blocks backfire. So suck it up Hanky! It is not like Miller's mistake tip cost Lundqvist a shutout late or something. Now add to it the slowing down of Hanks reaction speed which seems like no where near the god like quickness he had his first 5 or so years of his career and we have what we see now. He can still be solid in goal, but to think he can carry this team for a long stretch might be asking too much of him. Historically he has not played his best during long playoff runs. We must assume that is fatigue. So we must rest Hank a lot more during the regular season. SOooo...getting to my point. RAANTA should play tonight. And a lot more, especially for the first 3/4 or the season. LGR

NYStranger


Tue Nov 22 2016 6:47 am EST

for whatever tangible and intangible reasons, they seem to play better with antti in the net right now. And who could have predicted hayes and grabner leading the offensive onslaught? ..and the d being a lot better than last season, even though it had no where to go but up......hanky needs to work on not giving up softies..,...the depth is there, if they keep improving and finding ways to win, there just might be a parade.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 22 2016 6:25 am EST

PITTSBURGH — A significant victory for the Rangers on Monday coming from two goals down by the game’s 14th minute to rush past the defending Stanley Cup champion Penguins 5-2 with a display of fortitude every bit as much as skill, and now coach Alain Vigneault has a significant pre-Thanksgiving decision to make for Wednesday night’s rematch at the Garden. Does the coach go with Henrik Lundqvist or does he stay with Antti Raanta, who made game-changing, point-blank saves late in the first and early in the second while on his way to 5-0/2.04/.937? For while no one is suggesting that a goaltending controversy is brewing on Broadway, fact is Raanta has been the sharper of the two netminders through the season’s first six weeks. “I’ve made my decision,” Vigneault said after some gentle prodding. “But I haven’t spoken to my goaltenders yet.” ––

stevielegs


Tue Nov 22 2016 5:22 am EST

E- You are spot on in your analysis, teams are going to start to really grind it out against us. And if possible, hammer our Ds. I think we can assume that the days of "easy" games are over. We should be happy if 1 in 10 or 15 games goes pretty easy. In this cap world, that is how it is for all teams all the time. We will not be an exception. One thing I have been thinking about though, teams played like this -- successfully -- against us in the past too. But if you look around the East, a lot fewer team's are really equipped to do so this season. Teams have of course realized that you must have speed to get by in the end. In the process of that hunt they have sacrificed a lot of size and grit for speed. CBJ still have it no doubt. The Caps have some of it. But, like most teams, 1-3 bangers, not 4-6. That makes a big difference in the end.

Ola


Tue Nov 22 2016 5:20 am EST

E- You are spot on in your analysis, teams are going to start to really grind it out against us. And if possible, hammer our Ds. I think we assume that the days of "easy" games are our, we should be happy if 1 in 10 or 15 goes pretty easy, in this cap world, that is how it is for all teams all the time. We will not be an exception. One thing I have been thinking about though, teams played like this -- successfully -- in the past too. But if you look around the East, a lot fewer team's are really equipped to do so this season. Teams have of course realized that you must have speed to get by in the end, in the process of that hunt they have sacrificed a lot of size and grit for speed. CBJ still have it no doubt. The Caps have some of it. But, like most teams, 1-3 bangers, not 4-6. That makes a big difference in the end.

Ola


Tue Nov 22 2016 5:14 am EST

Haha got to say I loved the Guentzel's family's reaction in the stands. I am not sure if MSG had any pictures of it, I got the Pittsburgh feed. They completely freaked out, don't think they realized they had cam's on them either. His brother basically started crying and his dad looked like he was going to faint. I am sure there is some YT of it.

Ola


Tue Nov 22 2016 2:58 am EST

Feel free to correct me but I think 3/4 lines produced tonight. When that's happening, you're gonna win hockey games. Now imagine if they had all their horses. What I like about this win is what it required. PIT got the early lead on let's be real, some pretty shoddy goaltending and defensive play. And they really tried to bump and grind on the blue shirts. They took it, realized this wasn't going to one of those whip the puck around festivals and dumped and chased. They manufactured offense. Hard hat stuff. What one of my coaches used to call, "red nosed hockey." That's what I liked about this team. As noted before this game with HOSPO was I have begun to question the combativeness of the team. Not in being tough but what happens when another team decides to snuff you out. Columbus and Florida decided that they'd rather play to a tie then risk open play with the New York Rangers. So, they brought the play to the boards and refused to let the New York Rangers beat them with speed. And it was beginning to look like a trend where the New York Rangers just didn't have the ability or fortitude to move thru this. Just kinda got stuck in neutral too many shifts. Just sizzle and no grizzle. Tonight was different. It's one game but it was against the SC Champs in their barn. But PIT is officially in a funk. Back to last week when I watched the Caps poo in their mouths.

E


Mon Nov 21 2016 10:27 pm EST

TD: Trust me, I sure hope you're right. We'll see how this plays out....

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 10:16 pm EST

RF4L LOL, on the Stepan goal tally count. You do have to give credit where it's due, he's been doing the playmaking bit, and for someone who is speed challenged, that's not too shabby.

WIOSA


Mon Nov 21 2016 10:15 pm EST

Statement game......have to keep it up Wednesday. Cannot lose at home.

MelvilleFred


Mon Nov 21 2016 10:00 pm EST

Vic - If you want to guarantee he remains your property...then yes. If you demote him, he goes on waivers again and then the rest of the league gets another crack at him...this same situation just happened with our good buddy ETEM...Vancouver put him on waivers...the Ducks claimed him...he skated a couple games with them, but they said no thanks and put him back on waivers...only this time, no one claimed him, so Etem is now in San Diego...same thing could happen with PUEMPEL..and he'd be a hell of an asset for the struggling Pack. Of course, there's always the chance the Sens take him back...but then they would need to keep him on their roster...or risk losing him on waivers.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:55 pm EST

Moof give up 2 have to score 3 to win ... give up 4 is what their opponents have been doing... hanky thought he had an easy bounce back game but he didn't. Antti should be played until he loses but that will never happen.. prince redux...

stevielegs


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:55 pm EST

Any win against Pittsburgh is an excellent win. Love the fact that it was in Pittsburgh and all those shitbag fairweather pansies got to see their beloved Penguins get spanked with FIVE unanswered goals...love to see that POS Sully stewing on the bench and his little crybaby captain blanked...despite all his chopping, hacking, and behind-the-play dirtbag moves...The big, bad immortal unbeatable Pens are now in a nice little slide...three of their last four...four of their last six...couldn't happen to a nice group of assclowns...Rangers' D absolutely OWNED horseface, hotdog and Frankenstein. The three of those jerkoffs couldn't string together a play without a Ranger D breaking it up...Pens and their blockhead coach figured they had the game won after they went up 2-zip. Hey Sully..guess what: This isn't the 2015-2016 Rangers...Kevin HAYES was incredible. Great effort from him...Don't know what the hell they told him at the end of last season, but whatever it was, it worked...Rangers depth again proves to be their greatest asset. Teams simply can't take their third and fourth line...AV is looking pretty goddamn smart at this point by setting up the four lines as he did, but more importantly, getting his third and fourth line guys to buy into this notion that they're not grinders...that basically the Rangers have 1A, 1B, 1C and 1D...no sidecars on this team....everyone pulls their weight.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:52 pm EST

TD: correct me if I'm wrong but when you claim a guy doesn't he have to stay on the NHL roster for the remainder of the year?

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:51 pm EST

5 unanswered goals is worth noting too

mf


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:50 pm EST

SLegs: Give up 2 goals or fewer the odds are pretty good too.... & FWIW, we only allowed 2GA's in regulation in yesterdays OT loss..... Our Season GAA is 2.35 gapg

mf


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:43 pm EST

Score 4 or more the odds go way up... play antti Wednesday....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:42 pm EST

RF4L - I'm sure you'll be surprised to learn I totally disagree with your assessment on the PUEMPEL claim...this was an opportunistic move by the Rangers...a chance to get a guy who could probably benefit from a change in scenery and to play with guys who can actually skate --the Sens were starting him on a line with KELLY and NEIL...Had the recalled JENSEN or HRIVIK, inevitably they would have needed to send them back down through waivers, demote someone like BUCH or VESEY or force a trade...Even with Buch and ZIBANEJAD out, the Rangers have enough forwards to start...Puempel gives them a 13th forward who can sit on the bench for two-thirds of the next two months of games until Z can come back...and if he gets in and solidifies his spot in the roster? Guess what: The Rangers just got a young talented forward with speed and a shot for absolutely nothing...and if he doesn't mesh? Well, it's back to the waiver wire when Z comes back...and if he passes through, the Pack get a player who was a point-per-game in the AHL as they head into the playoff push...this was totally a move of opportunity. The right player came available for the right price(free)...and they grabbed him...has zero to do with what is or isn't in Hartford or an indictment of the feeder system...was a good safe move that could turn out to be a very nice one if Puempel turns his career around.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:41 pm EST

Screw the Offense..Very impressed by the D tonight, especially in the 3rd..Great work defesnively by Holden, Klein and Giraridi...It was easier without Pitt's biggest net crashers in Hornqvist and Kunits, but still a good job...And of course RAAANTA..very solid game.,..Screw The KIng's ego, play Raanta Wednesday..

Hospo


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:35 pm EST

Very nice win. Shut out the Penguins and shut up the fans and the whiny announcers.

Bob


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:33 pm EST

Nice game by the Rangers tho - very impressive.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:32 pm EST

Stepan now on pace for 12 goals!!! Woohoo!!!

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:32 pm EST

A shorty and an empty netter, we're okay :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:30 pm EST

Maybe back to back starts by Raanta

rngrsans


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:23 pm EST

Imagine what McDonagh could do without that anchor weighing him down.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:22 pm EST

Sully is probably my least favorite coach in the NHL not named Tortorella. Maybe Boudreau...but it's close.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:22 pm EST

One thing on Holden, he is strong on his skates, I have notices it a couple times tonight, bigger guys get him with solid contact and he doesn't move, he just absorbs it and keeps doing what he is doing.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:21 pm EST

I will admit it..when it was 2-0 I turned the game off (watched something on the DVR) and when I came back to the game it was 2-1.

DOUBLEN


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:20 pm EST

Man am I glad they didn't abandon HAYES after last season...

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:20 pm EST

When is the pens PP coming ? You know it's gonna happen

stepunmytoe


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:18 pm EST

WOW. Take that you flightless water fowl!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:18 pm EST

I take back my comment about our captain....what a play!

rngrsans


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:15 pm EST

RF4L: Indeed Skjei has been really good. I was calling for his demotion during camp...probably would have thought different if I knew he had been ill, but at the same time, its quite the emergence for the kid, and to think, he likely will get better all around than he is now as he gets used to reading the NHL level game....know idea what his top end may be, but even if he doesn't get any better he is quite the player on the blueline.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:13 pm EST

Thats good to hear Wild.......Now we only need to bring Girardi to the back of the barn and put him down

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:11 pm EST

Skeji is really impressive. He and Holden are their best 2 d-men all around lately IMO.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:11 pm EST

Trade: When Holden was in Colorado, I always said they overused him as a top guy. He was the number 3 and sometimes on the top 2, had the toughest assignments and at times was way over his head. I said that as a 4/5, or 5/6 guy he would be really really good. So far he has proven that (not always but most of the time) and I think he can get a little better if he keeps working to learn and he is really just entering his prime years for a modern NHL Dman.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:08 pm EST

What a track meet this period is. Wow.

Bob


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:06 pm EST

Holden is pulling a Stralman....quietly becoming the Rangers most dependable Dman....lol

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:03 pm EST

Hospo: It is nice to see a game with some fire in it....unfortunately the Rangers have had a bunch of games against teams they don't see a whole lot...got them just into a rut of just going through the motions, and then add the scoffing they had going there to start and they didn't need much emotion in the games, why let that get in the way of scoring 4 or 5 per night.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:51 pm EST

Finally a game worth watching..stong passion and desire and a little distaste by both teams.....I absolutley hate watching/listening to Dickaletti and Rose and their biased homrism....but I'll take them any day ove these Pittsburg schmucks..Makes beating them sweeter though..

Hospo


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:44 pm EST

And conventional wisdom gets one on the GRABNER goal.

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:43 pm EST

BTW, I wanted to point out the NASH goal. Watch that entire play again and you will see the Rangers bring the puck up the ice with support. They have numbers and support in the NZ and offensive zone. And that leads to the goal being scored. This is the way they should be playong.

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:42 pm EST

What a weird period that was. 3 goofy goals.

Bob


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:40 pm EST

A shortie... Go figure...lol

WIOSA


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:40 pm EST

Not too much beauty. Freaky, really.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:40 pm EST

Hit the ref in the mouth with a slap shot

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:39 pm EST

Miller scores a beauty of a payback goal!!

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:38 pm EST

I'll take it! JT MILLER!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:37 pm EST

FU NHL

stepunmytoe


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:37 pm EST

OMG, what a weak call...

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:37 pm EST

What an epically bad call. One of the worst I've ever seen

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:37 pm EST

What a damn joke of a call. #$#$# BS !!!!!!

stepunmytoe


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:36 pm EST

Call that penalty on Skjei ? What a fuckin joke

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:34 pm EST

Slashing a guy's stick clear out of his hands is apparently OK now.

Bob


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:32 pm EST

Goddamn embarrassing how much Crosby gets away with. And now he has Sully to work over the refs.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:32 pm EST

Hit Letang in the head like he did to our Captain so we see him seizure on the ice

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:30 pm EST

My man Grabner with a great finish..amazing unbelivable year so far

Hospo


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:30 pm EST

Hags!!!! Er...I mean Grabs!!!

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:29 pm EST

Grabs having a magical season. Is it time to just keep him on the 1st line ?

stepunmytoe


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:26 pm EST

Fred.... Larry has been annoying the snot out of me for years. The Broadway Hat's also getting on my nerves a bit lately :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:16 pm EST

Something that has gone largely un-talked about....the Rangers PK...21 for 23 over the last 8-9 games including this one.....thats really good....not talked about likely because everyone has been focused on the goal scoring earlier, than on the lack of it the last couple games....but if you kill 21 of every 23 penalties and get a couple goals or more per game and play just decent 5 on 5 you will win more than you lose....need to get a but more goal scoring going again, but its a good sign that the PK is as good as the offensive game was during that stretch.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:10 pm EST

Dick Rash suddenly appears and bang, a goal.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:09 pm EST

And now Dickenose gushing over Guentzel. Gawd, those 2 suck.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:02 pm EST

E......probably right about Larry.....for some reason his bit just annoyed me last night.

MelvilleFred


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:54 pm EST

RF 4L ..... Guentzel is the guy who is single handedly kicking the snot out of our NY RANGERS

rangerlou


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:52 pm EST

Let the juggling begin ! Let's see the adjustments Gumby makes. Ski is our best dman. Love his game. Get VZ and Nash together again. Step should be traded.

stepunmytoe


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:49 pm EST

Who the snot is J Geuntzel?

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:48 pm EST

The Puempel pick up is for me yet another example of the shallow feeder system and what management thinks of what they have currently offensively in Hartford.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:40 pm EST

We better wake up and start getting our head out of our asses

rangerlou


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:40 pm EST

We better wake up and start getting our head out of our asses

rangerlou


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:38 pm EST

Guess the Rangers left their big boy pants at home....or maybe they don't have any, thanks to that gonad squeezer AV.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:34 pm EST

Great defense!!! Turnovers galore; the last one by our captain

rngrsans


Mon Nov 21 2016 7:01 pm EST

Hey I can relate.. broke my fibula playing slow pitch when I was about 27 .. crutches for about 3-4 weeks it healed pretty fast I recall ...I can't remember if I played again before our season ended

sjw


Mon Nov 21 2016 6:02 pm EST

I never understood the Larry hate. Yeah, he's a goof but he's just a passionate guy who worked his way into the light by just doing what the arena wants people to do. And he embraced it. But he is there almost every game, and he tries to pump up the crowd in his own way. So, Hades bless him for bringing passion that so many of the corporate owned seats in the lower bowl that show up late in the second have taken from the arena. I'll take 10,000 Larry's in the blue seats over a bunch of half fans sitting down low and more concerned with why it's taking so long to get their food.

E


Mon Nov 21 2016 5:57 pm EST

The ice was unacceptable last night. Just atrocious. I've played on lakes with a better surface then that. By the end of the third, players were just cracking pucks on edge just to put it on net because you couldn't keep a puck on stick and handle at NHL speeds. In fact, Z lost his edge before he went to the boards and snapped his leg.

E


Mon Nov 21 2016 5:16 pm EST

.....anybody else think it's time for "Dancin' Larry" to go?

MelvilleFred


Mon Nov 21 2016 5:13 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 8m8 minutes ago Asked what caused the issue, AV smiled and said: "Russian training" 0 replies 5 retweets 12 likes Reply Retweet 5 Like 12 More Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 8m8 minutes ago AV: After that, doesn't expect back spasms to return 0 replies 1 retweet 1 like Reply Retweet 1 Like 1 More Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 9m9 minutes ago AV: MRI showed no structural issues for Buchnevich but will need 2 or 3 week program to strengthen core

stevielegs


Mon Nov 21 2016 5:11 pm EST

At the game last night...Ice was horrendous. definitely impacted the Rangers. What moron schedules a KNick game the same day as a Rangers Game?! That should never happen. Throw in the less than professional performance of the Refs......and a crippling injury, stir......and voila....a really bad loss all around. Guess Nieves will get some more time. Time to step up against the reigning Stanley Cup Champs. There was a couple there last night with the Austrian Flag and face paint.....that certainly cemented that Grabner was not scoring.

MelvilleFred


Mon Nov 21 2016 5:09 pm EST

According to ZIP it will be HAYES centering VESEY and MZA tonight. PIRI moves up to center GRABNER and MILLER. JOORIS centering LINDBERG and FAST. And of course the KREIDER-STEPAN-NASH line is unaffected.

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 3:56 pm EST

Hospo: that's my thing. We all know that the skil goals are going to come. They are pretty damn good that way. Get in there, get their noses to the grind stone, manufacture that offense. Put that puck along the boards and win. Against Florida they did that but nothing became of it. They seemed to lose the battle of the walls and Florida was intent on keeping the New York Rangers there. They knew the New York Rangers weren't as good there. They knew that if the puck came off the wall the New York Rangers transition was going to hurt them so they played it close to the chest. Likewise, Tortorella schemed similarly with the exception that he was using a spy in the middle and going one on one with the New York Rangers forwards. He was not going to let the New York Rangers kick that puck out into space for nothing. I'm not saying that the New York Rangers cannot play this way because guys like Chris Krieder, JT, Zucchini etc... are all good on the boards. But for example Chris Krieder? If he ain't scoring off the rush, he ain't scoring. He likes to play like OV in that if he is in the zone and the play has stalled, he just wants to grab the high circle and look to crack it off the one-time. I'd just like to see some more physical dominance down low, consistency and draw some penalties. And speaking of penalties I know it is all the rage to play that 2-2-1 umbrella so you get the double screens but damn does it make me nervous how of the point has to go scrambling to the wall to keep the puck in. And I just watch teams pinch out a forward and look for a spring pass. Now, I just watched Crosby and Hagelin play together. On the PK and regular shift. They were insane. Hagelin's touch and vision are getting better. They are frightening at 5-5 because of the way they move the puck. On the PK? Crosby just sees Hagelin. Funny how tonight might be the game that the New York Rangers are forced to keep the puck along the boards to slow down PIT.

E


Mon Nov 21 2016 2:57 pm EST

td: Thats what the general consensus on twitter and the like is. Also they point out that if this kid could pass through waivers he could end up a big help for the Pack....as you said it never hurts to add young former first rounders to the fold.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 2:49 pm EST

Matt PUEMPEL is a solid pickup, given ZIBANEJAD'S injury. Means the Rangers don't need to grab someone out of Hartford to ride pine. Worst-case scenario, Puempel ends up back on waivers in eight weeks...best-case scenario: He needed a change of scenery and the Rangers just got deeper. Never hurts, though, to add a speedy 23-year-old former first-rounder who's a playmaker with a good shot.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 1:52 pm EST

ZBad, Miller, Puempel, and Jensen are all 1st round selections from 2011...and are (now) all part of the Rangers....

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 1:32 pm EST

wild please do ignore, that 's what an ignoramus like you should try to do.... now stop your bs and come to the other wall little boy.......if you can find your way.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 21 2016 12:47 pm EST

The Rangers now have 2 of the 3 first round picks the Sens made in 2011....also their 3rd 1st and their 2nd rounder from that draft are not with the org....and there are those that gripe about the Rangers asset management!

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 12:43 pm EST

SO he is a former first rounder that hasn't done much at the NHL level....

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 12:41 pm EST

Who the hell is Matt Puempel?

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 12:02 pm EST

E - " scores 20-goals a night. That's ho-hum. I want to be able to say, "that was gutsy. They stepped up and took it."..I would love that too...Very, very few hard working, grinding shifts to get dirty goals....It' either the long stretch pass or highlight reel break outs or nothing....It's that "nothing" they have to fix..They have some of the players to do it a hell of alot more than they have so far trhis season..Just have to work harder and change their stratefy a little..And ye, alot of this hangs on how the Coach adapts to needs..

Hospo


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:51 am EST

TD: I did expect the torrid pace they were scoring at to come back down to reality. For whatever reason it was all clicking at once. And of course adversity was to set in. But the thing for me is that I've slowly seen that momentum slipping over the past several games. Some bad mistakes, blown coverages. Not all the time, but increasing. And now I'm looking at our intrepid net under as not the immortal as he once was but as a great goaltender who is going to have some rough nights. He's let in some ugly goals so far this season. But, if we look at what's happened winning I think also masked a lot of under problems. Chris Krieder came out blazing but got hurt. VC was looking like a superstar and he's hit the wall. Buchnevich looked downright frightening is on the trainers table. Hayes, is looking primed for a slump. Nash has played well but 40-goal Nash isn't around. And now Z is gone. And the team was able to muster only 4-goals in the past two games. One I'll forgive because they were tired. But Reimer and a decimated Florida team? And to give up one late in the 3rd? A winning New York Rangers team would enter the third up by 1-2 goals and the game was over. You could put at least one point in the books and head out for dinner. So, we'll see. Adversity is part of it. TB just lost Stamkos yet again. All teams must pull thru. Sometimes, it's being shorthanded that changes everything up. But this is when I like hockey. Watching the team will it's way when they are mortal. It's more entertaining to me then when the team looks like an all star group that scores 20-goals a night. That's ho-hum. I want to be able to say, "that was gutsy. They stepped up and took it." Just me maybe...

E


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:48 am EST

Wild: Funny, I posted about Price's play the other day, not knowing about his SO prowess. Of course, I'm not surprised to hear he's great there, too. This guy is the best goalie in the world right now - I don't know if we've seen such dominance at that position since, well the Dominator. And what's particularly amazing about him is he makes what he's doing look routine. I maintain the King can be just as good, but isn't always (re the SO last night and against the BJs Friday) but even when he's on, it often appears like he's really working at making those big saves. Not Price. And his stats are out of this world. He's something like 25 and 1 for his last Saturday night games with a 1.51 GAA. And that's just one stat - there's are a ton of them. He's so good that it's not unreasonable to project the Canadiens winning it all. They are a good team but not a great team but with him backstopping and if he can stay healthy (the only real weakness in his game currently) they are a threat IMO.

RF4L


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:38 am EST

I’ll admit to being a little disappointed with the Rangers’ play as of late…and I do see them starting to slip into some bad habits…especially on the PP. Getting too cute. Not taking shots. That was a game the Rangers should have won easily and instead they tanked it. As RF4L says..it’s ‘big boy pants’ time…I still don’t think the Pens are nearly as good as they’ve been made out to be…but there’s no denying what a team that has CROSBY, MALKIN and KESSEL brings to the table…I was confident the Rangers with ZIBANEJAD would prevail…without him? Geesh…I don’t know…Rangers are a very deep team and this injury could be a small bump in the road…but I think Z is a very big reason this team has played so well…he was a piece that was painfully missed last year…and while I think the Ranger can elevate someone like HAYES in the lineup…I don’t think they can replace Z…I think this one is going to hurt pretty bad….but we shall see…Six to eight weeks is bad…really bad…and a lot can come unhinged between now and then…but after watching that injury…six to eight weeks sounds like a goddamn god send. I was thinking he’d be out for the season.

tdchi


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:21 am EST

SO I found at least one that is still doing just as well...Price...he hasn't had a drop off, he has had some down seasons, but he pretty much has held up very well.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:18 am EST

I was curious about Hank in shootouts...NHL.com has the stats for them. Last season he was better than the previous 2 seasons stats wise, but not as good as before that. he had a .714 save%. 4 goals and 10 saves. The two season before were .647 and .652. The 3 years before that were .760, .720 and by it seems his best season 10-11 he had a .848 save % 7 wins, 3 losses and had 7 goals but 39 saves. The years before that all hovered around the numbers the other seasons had, .7-.75 save % for the most part. I also looked at a couple other goalies...just about all of them have worse numbers over the last few seasons int he shootout, even when they are getting more wins than losses their save% is going down. Seems to me the shooters have learned and there is nothing much goalies can do to get better.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:08 am EST

VIC: I get that for sure. I got a high ankle sprain while hiking with a 130 pound pack. Not a high speed thing like a skating issue would be, but it was still hell. It took months before the ligaments and stuff to get back to normal...my doctor told me that they had been stretched in ways that they wee never supposed to be, and that they take a long time to recover and in the meantime the structural integrity of my ankle would cause me issues and pain. I can't imagine that even with the broken bone that ZBads ankle didn't get sprained in some way.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 11:05 am EST

Stevie: I ignored you for weeks....WEEKS. I already said I was wrong about the knee thing...but I guess your brain can't function at a high enough level to read that many words....you act all tough....you MUST be a total waste...totally. I am not going to waste my time tracking you down....your not worth the effort....however...I didnt say a thing to you until you said something about me...for like the 5th time that I have seen since I stopped posting about the drivel you put on the wall, that half of which makes zero sense because you can't just write about players and stuff, you need to try to be "funny" with names and all...another sign that your don't have any self esteem, every thing your write has some derogatory lean to it. So I ignore you, but you keep posting crap, trying to agitate for not reason other than your not smart enough to have normal conversations.....good for you. Stop doing it. I am going back to ignoring you...try with all your might to use your two brain cells to not post anything towards or about me. Lets see how long you can too that for....I imagine you will have a difficult time. Your a lousy excuse for a human...lousy.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 21 2016 10:52 am EST

VIC - To each their own, all i know is I have fallen asleeo during every game and don't think my pulse has increased one iota during any of th games...It's not just the Rangers, but the other teams and most of the game.....During most of the Ranger games it jsut seems like a no contact mutual admiration society where they don't want to hit each other all that much and rather just try to wow each other with speed and feats of stickhandling.....I hate it...Love the Duck-King games..there's is hatred and distaste there...and more than enough skill and hiockey

Hospo


Mon Nov 21 2016 10:45 am EST

Ranger47 - That is the most likely first attempt at a lineup..But all the warts in Pirri's game and why he has bounced from team to team will all come out--he can't play a responsible two way game..IMWO, something else will eventually have to be done and that measn either playing JT MILLER at C or possibly even BUCH (if healthy)---he has the visono, passing hands and smarts to play the position OFFESNIVELY.....We'll see--Pitt, Pitt, Phil, Ottawa will be a good tesst.

Hospo


Mon Nov 21 2016 9:58 am EST

gene: I don't see them "moving Hayes up" to Z's spot. I see them moving his line with Miller and Grabner "up" to #2 time and (probably) using Pirri to take Z's spot with Lindberg taking Pirri's spot on the 4th line. JMHO.

Ranger47


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:59 am EST

Losing Z means a bigger role for Hayes and that is a good thing in the long run. He is getting better and better and IMO this is an opportunity for him.

gene_carr


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:53 am EST

http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/injuries/lower-leg/fibula-fracture/

stevielegs


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:51 am EST

https://www.verywell.com/fibula-fractures-2549440

stevielegs


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:41 am EST

On ZBAD....when I was in my early/mid 20s I had my skate get caught in a rut and my other foot came out from under me. I came down hard on the skate that was caught. So basically my butt came down on the outside of my left foot as my ankle and knee twisted under me. It looked a lot like what happened to ZBAD as he crashed into the wall except his collision was horizontal with the boards and mine was vertical with the ice. I felt my knee strain and was worried that I blew out the ligaments. But I couldn't tell because the pain in my ankle was off the charts. I didn't break the ankle but I severely sprained it. It was months before I could skate and forever after I always taped my ankle because it was never the same. Even 6 months later I couldn't run across the street. The best I could do was hobble. It hurt less to skate then it did to walk/run. I would have much rather broken my leg. It might have been worse at first but I'm sure it would have healed much faster and with less long term issues.

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:30 am EST

A few other comments. HANK played pretty well......however.....I don't understand what happened to him in the shootout over the years. Seven to Ten years ago he was money on shootouts. He was probably the best in the league. The last three or four years he has been at best Sub-Par. It has gotten to the point where I just figure the Rangers are going to lose in the shootout when we get to that point of the game when HANK is in goal. I'm sure he is not happy about losing last night so he will probably force AV's hand again tonight and get another start. Why not, right? After all it is only 3 games in 4 nights within a stretch of 9 games in 16 days. HANK will probably get 8 of those games.....right? So he can be rested for the playoffs........

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 8:22 am EST

I know HOSPO talks about how boring he finds games these days. In general I find this year's Rangers fun to watch. Except for last night. I zoned out in the 3rd period. It was a boring game for me after the first period. The Rangers once again fell back into the "no pass under 40 feet mentality". Drives me crazy. I'll say it again. The stretch pass is a weapon, not a game plan. If all you ever do is stretch pass you become one dimensional and easy to defend. There will be no forecheck. There will be no attack where you have strength in numbers. There will be no support in any zone because you have spread out your team. The stretch pass works when you only do it a few times a game, or at most a few times a period. I'll make the analogy to football. If all you ever do is pass the ball you will find it hard to move the ball via your passing game. Look at the talent the Giants have in terms of their passing attack. Yet they struggle to score because other teams know that the only way the Giants can hurt you is via the pass. When the Rangers play where they are supporting each other in all three zones, moving the puck quickly via short, accurate passes.....they are very hard to defend against. You have to try to disrupt the Rangers in their own end by sending three guys on a committed forecheck. And that is when the stretch pass opens up. If the Rangers play against the Pens they way they played last night the Pens will light them up.

Vic


Mon Nov 21 2016 6:41 am EST

Hospo- I think a good team should be able to overcome an injury like this. We have depth, Pirri, Jooris and Lindberg. JT Miller can play center. Others just must step up. Lindberg can't be that far away from catching up physically. Jooris can do an OK job as a 4th lineer. I think Pirri so far has been as good as his line/unit mates. When our PP has played well. Pirri has tagged along. Think he could do OK with better linemates. If not, it could be a shot for JT Miller to show what he got at center again.

Ola


Mon Nov 21 2016 12:16 am EST

any of Pirr, Lindberger and especially Jooris as a 2B or 3rd C will be a disaster over 2 months

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 11:27 pm EST

Missed most of the game, I hope Z'bad heals completely.... Can anyone here give some opinions on Jooris performance tonight? t/y

mf


Sun Nov 20 2016 11:15 pm EST

ZBAd looks like he did a real number on his leg. So...Fibula fracture...looked it up and it usually is associated with an ankle injury. From the replay it looked like his ankle went the wrong way. Let's hope this initial diagnosis is accurate. 6-8 weeks is an acceptable amount of time considering how bad it looked on those nasty replays.

NYStranger


Sun Nov 20 2016 11:08 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay ....... AV said Lindberg will play tomorrow and he, Jooris and Pirri were center options moving forward. Callup (Nieves?) also possible down road

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:55 pm EST

Wild like I told you before gfys ... it's his knee no doubt .... now take your foot out of your mouth and your head out of your ass... you're a name calling punk . Alias a moron...now come track me down tough guy ...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:43 pm EST

Stevie. Make all of us a promise. If the Rangers keep their winning more than losing going and end the season a top team you take a full season off the wall and if they win the cup you never post again. You are an antagonist....what's the matter with you? Lack of self esteem or something...feel the need to be an ass as often as possible? About 90% of the stuff you post is negative in some way....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:41 pm EST

Thought for sure it was the knee the way they were working him on the ice. This crazy enough is good news. An ACL would have been months of recovery...this is weeks.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:38 pm EST

They have "12 healthy" forwards ....everyday I get at least 1 alert on injured hockey players from bleacher report.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:35 pm EST

Ass vipe will figure this out no doubt maybe ... he's a spin meister... it's an opportunity for other guys... wafj j for jerk ...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:32 pm EST

Sucks about Z..Rangers got demol;lished on FOs agasint CBJ the other night...lost FO tonight but it was close...However, Without ZIBA they were 17-29...This will be a problem....Do you go Step-Miller-Hayes down the middle or tray and get by with one of Pirri or, gulp, Lindnerger/Jooris on the top 3 lines..Can't see the latter

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:31 pm EST

I thought it was his knee no doubt ? ... as per the the fact meister ...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:30 pm EST

I think by 'broken fibula,' AV clearly means "concussion."

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:29 pm EST

Is that a lower body injury that hurts your upper body head ? Why did they reveal that? Now everyone will aim for his fibula.... lol...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:24 pm EST

It's better than a broken ankle though.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:23 pm EST

LINDBERGER hasn't shown me anything since about 2015....

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:22 pm EST

Not to be another Ranger polyana...but..what the Rangers need is to get BUCH back and healthy...they won't be as good as with both, but OK....Now, If ZIBA and bUCH are long term, it's a big hurt

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:21 pm EST

Ugh. Horrid. Broken leg.

Bob


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:19 pm EST

AV says Zibanejad has broken fibula, 6-8 weeks #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:15 pm EST

They have Lindberg and Nieves, and Hrivik and Jensens(sp) who can step in....and before you say it....NO team has a kid waiting in the wings in the minors to replace a top 2 center...teams don't have 3 top 2 centers usually....most teams have 2 guys who are top two and a couple who can step in for a short time, than a kid or two who are not ready to make that last step yet. They can also use Miller at C and fill in on wing if its works better that way. The Rangers have no depth problems this season....hell they have 4th line guys producing at 2nd line levels right now....ZBad will be very hard to replace, but its not like this is a 1 or even 2 line team.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:14 pm EST

Yikes...Triple post.....

PJ


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:13 pm EST

Agree on Stepan....Just not making a difference....I miss Klein's offense from previous year's....And his defense for that matter....

PJ


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:13 pm EST

Agree on Stepan....Just not making a difference....I miss Klein's offense from previous year's....And his defense for that matter....

PJ


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:13 pm EST

Agree on Stepan....Just not making a difference....I miss Klein's offense from previous year's....And his defense for that matter....

PJ


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:11 pm EST

KIS: Would be SHOCKED if its his ankle....SHOCKED beyond belief. Ramsey was flexing his knee using his pants and talking with him...you wouldn't do that for an ankle....its the knee...no doubt...but lets hope its a sprain and not a tear....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:11 pm EST

Here comes the holidays swoon ... maybe ass vipe still doesn't make it past 2016...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:10 pm EST

A last year type of game....Could see it ciming when we let the Cats hang around...Big games coming up....

PJ


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:08 pm EST

Rangers lucky to get one of last 4 points..If they are not getting the long stretch passes or or the basketball like fast break, they have a hard time grinding any goals.....At least the 3rd period was a bit more entertaonig...

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:06 pm EST

Capt parmenter needs to take robitussin before games so he stops coughing up pucks... great on the point in the pp not to keep it in...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:06 pm EST

Trade: This was coming - started before the road trip and it's just growing and growing. Sure hope it's just one of those normal dips in a season seeing as before this crap started to creep into their game, they had a great stretch.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:06 pm EST

Henrik used to be good in shootouts. Not any longer. What a brutal loss. Zibanejad will be out for awhile. Now we'll see about the depth we don't have.

Bob


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:05 pm EST

Bad loss and this is going to be costly. Have a feeling Zbad broke ankle. This team isn't moving puck as quickly and they aren't moving with same speed. Could be a bad stretch. Now the have pens back to back. Reiner stole the game though. Definitely outplayed the king.

KIS


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:05 pm EST

Better put on your big boy pants tomorrow or it'll be a shameful display ala last year's POs.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:04 pm EST

Watching Rangers hockey tonight was like getting stabbed in the gut with a rusty butter knife

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:04 pm EST

Good call having the King play 2 in a row after he sucked in Columbus.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:04 pm EST

@!#$

WIOSA


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:03 pm EST

The Rangers didn't deserve even a point IMO.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:03 pm EST

Hank, you are awful. Retire please.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:01 pm EST

Yandle with the shoot out game winner? :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:58 pm EST

Stepan SUCKS!

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:55 pm EST

great drive by Hayes..but should shot

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:53 pm EST

No worries tho - tons of depth on the farm. Oh wait...never mind!

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:52 pm EST

Damn...that ankle..not good..

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:51 pm EST

Broken leg.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:51 pm EST

oh oh....bye bye Z for 6 months...

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:51 pm EST

That does not look good (ZBAD).

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:48 pm EST

We need a goalie with a good stick to play AV's system effectively. What is Shesterkin about 3 years away? By that time, AV will be gone and we'll be on to another coach and another system.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:48 pm EST

this team I mean...

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:47 pm EST

Perhaps it's my Rangeritis kicking in, but I find this at times really really tough to really really like....

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:45 pm EST

At least we got the biggest guy on the team in front (on the side) of the net.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:37 pm EST

Stupid, panic plau by Pirrii..Panthers going to te net and crowding the King too much

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:32 pm EST

The only guy on the Rangers side having a good game is the MSG organ player

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:31 pm EST

Is Stepan playing?? I mean, really??

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:26 pm EST

Nothing is going right for Miller lately.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:25 pm EST

Linesmen have one major job. Calling offsides and they can't get that right. Pathetic.

Bob


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:23 pm EST

LOL...goal by Miller.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:19 pm EST

Hospo: Agreed - boooooooooooooring hockey. Sure hope the Rangers come to play tomorrow night or it'll be a repeat of last year's PO series. Ugh!

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:12 pm EST

Good one Stevie!

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:11 pm EST

Attack the net, good things happen!

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:09 pm EST

ZBAD soccer goal which is what hockey wants to be

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:08 pm EST

Fla put in in ?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 9:01 pm EST

How many guys have scored their first goal of the year against the nyr ?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:59 pm EST

Cannot have Zucc and Hayes out on the same PP. Neither of them will shoot the puck. Also, with all the power of the garden, what is with this dopey Knicks game in the afternoon followed by a hockey game at night? The ice always sucks when they do that. The Rangers are a speed skating team and their own building does stupid stuff to hurt their game.

Bob


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:56 pm EST

RF4L - TYpical boring, no-comtact, friendly regular seasom NHL game...Every now and then there's a good period of entertainment, but that's about it...At least that's how it's been for Ranger games

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:56 pm EST

This is the hockey equivalent of flag football. No physicality at all. And Barkov......the guy is a stud.

Bob


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:48 pm EST

Good God...bench 2/3s of this team. Horrible effort.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:46 pm EST

Really this is not a good team, why are we making this so hard?

WIOSA


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:41 pm EST

Rangers trying to get so fuggin cute on the Powerplay with the extra cross ice pass bullshit.....Shoot the goddamn thing

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:38 pm EST

Am I the only wallster watching this shitty game? Rangers are slipping back into a zero passion effort. Started several games ago. Kreider and MIller get benched - AV bench your $14,300,000 twosome you gutless moron.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:36 pm EST

Rosen just said "Stepan racing for the puck"....... Is that possible?....Vesey has been sub-standard for quite awhile also..

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:36 pm EST

Rosen just said "Stepan racing for the puck"....... Is that possible?....Vesey has been sub-standard for quite awhile also..

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:27 pm EST

Rangers letting Reimer see everything. Good job!

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:10 pm EST

BJs win again today - beat Washington in Washington 3 2. Good for them. Question is, of course, can they keep it up? BTW, that rookie d-man Werenski is, I think, the real deal. So smooth and poised with the puck. Very impressive. Interesting tidbit I heard about him. The BJs were desperate to trade up to draft Noah Hanifan but failed (he went 5th to Carolina). Nice consolation prize, eh? Another fine US born young player...

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 8:05 pm EST

Hospo: Stepan should be benched. And I see Dick Rash has disappeared. Again. $14,300,000 between those 2. Shameful IMO.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:53 pm EST

OMG Stepan SUCKS right now.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:40 pm EST

Nice fake and shot by Kid K....hope it gets him back on line

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:38 pm EST

Kiddie k

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:27 pm EST

Be curious to see if JT MILLER gets benched again if he makes another mistake like the other night..Lord knows Fast won't!..Back to the non-contact game...

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:10 pm EST

Raise him up to the rafters with his 2 buddies ... going to need a crane .

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:08 pm EST

Nosendick

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 6:53 pm EST

i'd take duke eclair back for the right price. ...ass vipe liked him....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 6:25 pm EST

Girardi because it's funny. He was the one standing in his way. All in jest, lighten up Francis.

stepunmytoe


Sun Nov 20 2016 6:14 pm EST

re: DUCLAIR: I remember Carp once posting something to the effect of 'he's going to score a lot of goals for a lot of teams' or something to that effect. I didn't like the YANDLE deal because I thought Yandle was just the wrong blueliner at the wrong time....think the Rangers could have done better...and I think they should have looked to improve the right side BEFORE they signed BOYLE...but I digress...the only part of the deal other than Yandle that I didn't like was losing the first and second rounder...Didn't care too much about Duke, because I sort of see him as a one-dimensional player...a guy with the afterburner speed, but not one who is ever going to play the defensive game he needs to play to be an impact player...He racked up a lot of points last season on the coattails of DOMI. And not surprisingly, when he was taken off Domi's line, his production suddenly seized up...So if he's on the block, I'm sure the Yotes will get takers...and it's a shame the Rangers couldn't have gotten a more permanent piece for their lineup...but I'm not yet convinced the Duke will ever be much more other than a serviceable forward.

tdchi


Sun Nov 20 2016 5:51 pm EST

RF4L- I wonder if we had some doubts about Duke when we traded him... I liked a lot of things about his game, but he definitely had some floater tendencies too...

Ola


Sun Nov 20 2016 5:50 pm EST

Sucks MCILRATH isn't playin, "Booooooo"!!! I was trying too think which Rangers he would injury, and which would be the most devastating loss. Outside of LUNDQVIST and probably MCDONAGH, ... can you imagine one of KREIDER, MILLER, HAYES or even NASH concussed and lost for the season by a hit by MCILRATH? My God, that would be brutal.

hipcheck


Sun Nov 20 2016 5:39 pm EST

Guess the Fla coach gallant doesn't care if Big Mac plays against his former team . He is not that gallant. ...hospo girardi pretty much blocked the kid from playing last year by playing hurt along with Boyle, but that was mostly ass vipes doing.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 5:16 pm EST

McIlrath will not play tonight according to the HC. That is via twitter.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 20 2016 5:05 pm EST

Why Girardi?...He's given every iota of his blood, sweat and energy to the Rangers....AV might be the only "Ranger" Mcilrath would like to kill. IF HE PLAYS.....And if he does obliterate somebody, I don't care who it is, I care about the reaction

Hospo


Sun Nov 20 2016 5:02 pm EST

ok time to pick your victim...if big mac is not scratched...lol....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 4:41 pm EST

I'd like to see him beat the hell out of Girardi.

stepunmytoe


Sun Nov 20 2016 4:28 pm EST

i hope he hits ass vipe

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 3:55 pm EST

McIlrath hits tonight should be quite a show.

Punchrolfe


Sun Nov 20 2016 2:55 pm EST

Vic you just figured out hanky has first right of refusal ? ...ass vipe is not going to buck hank or he will probably be looking for a job......guess he's playing back to back.....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 20 2016 1:50 pm EST

FWIW, rumours strong that Anthony Duclair is on the trading block. In 17 games he has but a single goal and 3 points...wonder what he'd fetch. It'll be interesting to see if he does get moved.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 11:51 am EST

E: Without a about, Price is the single biggest reason for Montreal's success.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 11:28 am EST

I think Lundqvist is a goalie that if he has an off night as he did vs. the BJ's you throw him right back out there next game and let him take out his frustrations. If you don't, he'll steam on the bench. I'm sure he'll respond with one of those angry Henrik games and then he can sit the next game satisfied that he's where he needs to be. And in terms of Price? His problem has never been talent. It's durability. Thanks Chris Krieder. But seriously, I can't really take one guy over the other. I think that there are a few goalies in the league like Quick, Price, Holtby and Lundqvist that are just above everyone else. They are just that great. But it's that second level of goalies. Schneider. Crawford, Rinne, Jones, and maybe Rask where all the good depth is. And I no longer think you need a nuclear option in goal to win in the NHL. It helps, but again and again now I keep seeing these second level goalies getting so much support from defenseman and back checkers clogging the lanes that they are more then adequate to get the job done. Goaltending is a team position nowadays it seems.

E


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:45 am EST

I'm thinking that Buch might have a pinched nerve. It can often masquerade itself as back trouble. Especially if you've never had back problems before and don't know what it's supposed to feel like. I had rouble with my sciatic nerve some years ago and it felt like I had daggers sticking into my lower extremities every time I got up or walked. Of course, that's JMO and I only play a Doctor on TV.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:13 am EST

Watched Carey Price stonewall the Leafs last night and IMO he's the best goalie in the league. I think the King, when he's on, is as good but unlike Price, he lets in soft goals from time to time. Price never seems to do that. His always-on brilliance is astounding and what sets him apart from Lundqvist.

RF4L


Sun Nov 20 2016 10:12 am EST

So, after beating the Leafs a week ago the Pens got blown out by Washington, they won a squeaker against the Islanders in OT and lost in a Shootout to Buffalo last night. It doesn't sound like they are exactly on a roll right now either. Their next game is against the Rangers tomorrow night. I'm interested to see how the Rangers respond to the game in Columbus against Florida tonight. In particular I'll be watching HANK closely. It would have been ideal to play RAANTA tonight and have HANK rested for the second half of the back to back against the Pens tomorrow night. But if I'm reading between the lines correctly it appears that HANK forced his way in tonight. So what happens if he stumbles again tonight and blows an important two points? Does he force his way back in tomorrow night again playing 3 games in 4 days? Does the coach then turn to RAANTA instead. If RAANTA had played tonight he could have had HANK play both games against the Pens assuming that HANK played well in the first game. If HANK stinks up the ice tonight is he going to go with RAANTA for both games against the Pens assuming RAANTA plays well in the first one? Doubtful. That would show a lack of faith in HANK, right? So, I'm going to go out of my way to make a point about this. The coach, by not starting RAANTA tonight, has opened the door for problems and controversy in goal. All he had to say to HANK was: "Look HANK, you had an off night. You weren't sharp. We had travel and a condensed schedule. Looking forward we play a crap-ton of games over the next two weeks. I'm giving RAANTA the start on Sunday so that you are rested and ready for the Pens on Monday. Relax. Get some rest. Get focused....and shut out those pricks on Monday." But no. AV instead cow-towed to his $8.5 Billion a year goaltender. Say, who runs that team anyway???!??

Vic


Sun Nov 20 2016 7:07 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/19/pavel-buchnevichs-injury-may-be-worse-than-rangers-believed/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 19 2016 10:39 pm EST

Hank wants to play, Hank plays.... http://nypost.com/2016/11/19/peeved-henrik-lundqvist-seeks-rebound-after-allowing-soft-goal/

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 19 2016 5:31 pm EST

So, HANK goes right back in tomorrow night. Why??!!?!?! They talk so much about wanting to get RAANTA games to keep HANK rested. If not after last night then when???

Vic


Sat Nov 19 2016 4:21 pm EST

E: You a right, they where flat, tired and ready for some home cooking. Also thanks for pointing out the line juggling to kick start something. Still I'm very impress with the Rangers up tempo style game this year. JT Miller is a beast, who is doing it all, scoring, making great passes, back-checking, finishing his checks, blocking shots, penalty killing. His is the real deal, who is just entering his prime!

Jerry_Garcia


Sat Nov 19 2016 4:00 pm EST

JG: they just didn't have their legs churning. Didn't want to do the grunt work and battle the half boards. Just kept looking for the home run. Passing and looking. Hallmarks of a tired team. I saw nothing in terms of game time adjustment that would've mattered all that much. To his credit AV did shorten the bench and started tweaking the lines. And we know he hates to break up lines. So he was looking for the spark. They still almost pulled out a snatch and grab.

E


Sat Nov 19 2016 2:40 pm EST

Gents. My issue with Stepan is his stupid contract....

RF4L


Sat Nov 19 2016 1:11 pm EST

BJ's playing a 1-3-1 Devils kind of trap, makes for an extremely boring game.AV did not make any game time adjustments. Hank needs to realize if a give away happens, that does not negate the requirement to make the save. One first goal I could have made that slap shot. I would love to shoot on Hank just to see how quick he really is!

Jerry_Garcia


Sat Nov 19 2016 11:45 am EST

My only issue with Stepan is that he is a lousy skater. And he isn't exactly strong on the puck. But he is a playmaker and he makes people around him better. I think he gets maligned in part because there is a perception that the New York Rangers are lacking that marquee number one center. And he is it by default. But he isn't really cut out for that role. But on this New York Rangers team is kinda becoming a team with 3 2nd line centers.

E


Sat Nov 19 2016 11:25 am EST

RF4L - it's a long season and if I were betting on it, I'd wager a lot of dough that STEPAN will be at or above 55 points by the end of the year. And among those points, I would bet he'all have 15-plus goals. Step takes a lot of guff around here and I never quite understand why. He's a very good center. I personally see him as part of the foundation of this team.

tdchi


Sat Nov 19 2016 10:52 am EST

Before last night, the Rangers were pretty successful against the BJ's. I think the Rangers beat them 7 in a row. I don't remember alot of specifics about the previous 7 games but I do remember that the BJ's would play over the top physical game. Last night, they played the Rangers as they played the rest of this years opponents.....they were strong on the forecheck and were trying to get the Rangers to commit turnovers.....and it obviously worked. AV needs to be like a chameleon.....just because he is control of a team that is like a fast sports car......some times you will encounter a road with more obstacles.....so AV should have had the Rangers playing a bit more physical to match up on the intensity.

TradeStar28


Sat Nov 19 2016 10:09 am EST

“We weren’t sharp and we didn’t execute,” Derek Stepan told The Post....“We didn’t have that sharpness. And if you’re not on your game, your mistakes become glaring.”....“Two turnovers and decisions with the puck didn’t work out for us,” coach Alain Vigneault said. “At the end of the day, I cut down and went with other players.”....“I felt I just got beaten by a really hard shot,” Lundqvist said of the winner. “He beat me fair and square with a hard shot. It’s tough to give up a shorthanded winner. “[On the first one], the way he delayed his shot — I have to watch it again — obviously, I want to stop that but I wasn’t compact enough. I was expecting a high shot. I have to make a better read.”.....“We always stress the importance of winning the special teams battle,” said Stepan, who, like most of his teammates, had a nondescript night. “We lost it and it cost us the game.”.....“I don’t want to nitpick it” Stepan said. “We weren’t sharp and we lost the special-teams battle. It’s fixable.”.....

stevielegs


Sat Nov 19 2016 10:05 am EST

rf4l exactly...do as i say not as i do....bs.....great play on that 2 on 1 , he doesn't play the guy with the puck, then flails at it probably deflecting it for a goal against, the backbreaker....the guy is bad news on the point on the pp.....

stevielegs


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:37 am EST

BTW, 7 hits in total for the Rangers? Perhaps that's not totally accurate but surely a reflection of a disinterested team that isn't physical at the best of times. Guess AV is a proud guy this AM - his team avoided hits all over the place!

RF4L


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:34 am EST

Vic: Frustrates the hell of me because we knew it was a bad deal. How come these vaunted GMs can't see it? I simply don't understand. Yes this is pure speculation but given Gorton's good work across the board since, I cannot help but think Sather's incompetent hands are all over that deal. Lord knows he set the bar high (low?) with S and G contracts. Thank goodness McD's agent had his eyes closed when he negotiated when he sat across from Sather.

RF4L


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:33 am EST

As for the game. I'll just say this......if RAANTA were in goal last night the Rangers probably win that game. They didn't play a "horrible" game. It was a good game against an opponent who is playing very well right now. The Rangers are the far better team. But at this point in time Columbus is playing about as well as they can play. As for the turnovers, the Rangers have committed far more egregious turnovers in other games. Yes, they were dumb passes, but in the case of the MILLER turnover that puck should have never gone in. EVER. The FAST turnover was a little different. At least the shot came from the top of the slot. I'll give HANK a pass on that one. But the 3rd goal was just as bad as the first. I don't care how many quality saves you make in a game. If you give up 2 goals that are AHL quality or ECHL quality in a game YOU LOST THE GAME FOR YOUR TEAM.

Vic


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:28 am EST

LB says there were 'uncharacteristic blunders in all 3 zones' last night - well I saw that same thing in the first period in Vancouver and on and off against both the Flames and Oilers (mostly off, tho, thankfully). Isaid during the Canuck game - I am concerned last year's nasty habits are creeping back into the Rangers game. Perhaps it's just my Rangeritis kicking in. Guess we'll know better in the next week or so.

RF4L


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:24 am EST

RF4L: I was right there with you on the STEPAN contract. Hopefully he starts playing up to his contract soon. Otherwise it will go down as another failure to properly manage assets.

Vic


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:22 am EST

stevie: McD might be taking leadership lessons from AV.

RF4L


Sat Nov 19 2016 9:21 am EST

Derek Stepan, the 2nd highest paid forward and 3rd highest paid Ranger, is on pace for a single digit goal season. Yes, his numbers won't stay that bad, but for crying out loud, $6,500,000 should be getting his team a lot more than this IMO. And worse? His paltry offensive output, given that ridiculous contract, is slowly but surely rendering him untradeable. I called it when it went down - that is an unworthy contract.

RF4L


Sat Nov 19 2016 8:32 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/18/rangers-cooled-off-by-john-tortorellas-blue-jackets/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 19 2016 8:31 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/18/this-isnt-the-john-tortorella-that-rangers-fans-remember/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 19 2016 8:30 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/18/nhl-strangely-keeping-goalies-in-dark-over-major-rule-change/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 19 2016 7:31 am EST

The guy that can do no wrong is captain parmenter, and he does plenty wrong. And he rarely owns up to it.... another great leader. ... the jabs were smart enough to get rid of subban....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 18 2016 11:30 pm EST

Didn't see the game - ball hockey tonight for moi - and glad I didn't. Can't win 'em all I guess!

RF4L


Fri Nov 18 2016 10:11 pm EST

RDW lmao...youre right.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 10:00 pm EST

Wow..Calvert took 30 stitches and came right back..That's a hockey player....or used to be...............Gotta love the Rangers physicality tonight.....I know it's not their game at all..but SEVEN HITs?????

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:48 pm EST

Hospo: Step can do no wrong, someone else will pay the price. Big Mac will probably get benched in Florida for Stepans play tonight.

RDW


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:44 pm EST

3 players that I'm just not a fan of. AV always plays 2 of them in crucial spots and they never perform. 2 of the 3 are Stepan and Zuccarella. They slow shit down and never look to shoot. Especially crunch time. Teams know that. The 3 DR player is fast. No reason playing on this team. Why not try Hayes instead of Stepan at crunch time. The kid is playing well this year and seems hungry. Nash should have been on instead of Zucc. Just. It a fan of Zucc. The king flat out sucked tonight.

KIS


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:41 pm EST

BOB - The King might have given up soft goals but they were all on ghive-aways by the lirresponsible Rangers..And he saved a few other fuck ups

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:40 pm EST

RDW - especially JT from the bench...Lord knows the prancing Step should never be benched..

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:39 pm EST

At least the last 10-15 mins were exciting after a lamev45 mins.....Rangers made too many mistakes and not enough effort for most of the game..OTOH part of that was due to the BJ's forecheck and beting the Rangers to tyhe puck..Oh well, a good road trip with a bad ending..

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:37 pm EST

A lot of Rangers just sucked tonight. They would have been guilty of grand larceny if they somehow pulled it out after they tied it up and got the PP. The out hustle, out mustle thing is worrisome. Can start to be the way teams look to beat us.

NYStranger


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:37 pm EST

Stepan is sooooo quick. The rest of the team is holding him back.

RDW


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:37 pm EST

Henrik hideous with 3 softies allowed and they lose a game that was very winnable.

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:36 pm EST

Oh well..

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:35 pm EST

Thanks capt loser

stevielegs


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:25 pm EST

A ton of cheap shit shots by the BJs. Getting away with it from the refs AND from the 'turn the other cheek' Rangers. AV's teams can drive you nuts.

NYStranger


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:24 pm EST

Keep VZ and Nash together. Should of never split them anyway

stepunmytoe


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:20 pm EST

Wow that was bad...Hank has to make that save. But..they really sucked on that PP.

NYStranger


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:18 pm EST

Henrik Horrid

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:18 pm EST

Capt zero fugitive parmenter is a moron

stevielegs


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:18 pm EST

Oh Sh*t! A shortie? common

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:17 pm EST

Pirri was cooked.

stepunmytoe


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:17 pm EST

Anoter prancing pansy call..but at least they are even.Rangers get their vhsnce

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:15 pm EST

Time to cook up some chicken Pirri on the PP.

stepunmytoe


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:13 pm EST

not to b*tch, but have we won a faceoff at all tonight?

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:12 pm EST

being outplayed and outworked..but there's that speed...and BAMMMM

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:11 pm EST

Zibbanawhatis!!!!!!!!!!!! Tie game

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:10 pm EST

I have not complained about the officiating this year yet but tonight has been terrible. BJS have commited at least 10 ....oh never mind, TIE game!!!

NYStranger


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:10 pm EST

good pk but our F/Os tonight suck.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:10 pm EST

Anyone spot the wallster? .... ZBAD

stevielegs


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:08 pm EST

KIS--That's it. Rangers being outworked all over the rink.

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:05 pm EST

what a freraking pansy call...damn this league sucks

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:05 pm EST

Wow what a bag job

NYStranger


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:05 pm EST

Stupid!!!!

rngrsans


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:01 pm EST

Columbus just working harder

KIS


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:54 pm EST

Anybody notice that the day RIck Nash's contract comes off the books that John Tavaras will be an UFA??

schneidw


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:49 pm EST

Rangers don't have their speed tonight. AV breaks up too many lines. I like Hayes with grabber and miller. I think Step is very average. I don't think z and kreider look as good with Zucc on that line.

KIS


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:39 pm EST

I would say Rangers are guilty of not moving their feet. Too much reaching and leaning forward to poke check, etc. getting beat to pucks too often. Too reactive-not making the confident smart fast plays to dictate play. But nice friggin goal by Grabner..again!

NYStranger


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:34 pm EST

Sloppy as hell in their own end..but getting a few more chances

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:24 pm EST

Wow..Rangers can't change mo with hitting but hope they just did with speed....Man, Grabner is faaaaast..and good finish

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:23 pm EST

Gotta love Grabner...great pick up.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:21 pm EST

AV is gonna be pissed at Holden for not pulling a handkerchief out of his purse to give to Calvert. What a douche.

_Arc


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:19 pm EST

Jasper is killing the Hayes line.

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:18 pm EST

We enjoy keeping Hank company tonight I see. Spending a lot of time in our own zone.

WIOSA


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:13 pm EST

Henrik is already on the plane back to NY. He sure is not IN this game.

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:13 pm EST

Bad enough that so far the game has been like watching paint dry, but Rangers playing so sloppy...Be nice if they could turn the heat up and the game around...we'll see

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:12 pm EST

Looks like the wallsters are taking tonight off....Probably a good thing. 2 mistakes and we are down 2

rngrsans


Fri Nov 18 2016 5:11 pm EST

BTW, what a mess (again) the Islanders have become. So much promise this time last year. Now they are 2nd last overall in the league, near the bottom on every important offensive and defensive team stat and drawing the 2nd worse attendance in the league (ahead of only the perennial sad sacks Hurricanes). Capuano surely in on the firing seat but will that be enough? Garth Snow isn't exactly Sam Pollack but seemed to have his team on the right track last year. What the hell happened?

RF4L


Fri Nov 18 2016 5:02 pm EST

It's no secret that watching the Rangers and the NHL has pretty much bored the hell out of me this year with all the no-contact rules, but I'm hoping the next three games agasitn CBJ, FLA and Pitt will finally make my heart beat one iota faster.....Glad Kid Kreider is back, he's fun to watch...As is BUCH...get healthy.

Hospo


Fri Nov 18 2016 3:37 pm EST

CoMark: I was referring to the goalie of course. I do agree that the d-man's stats may be inflated due to the team he's playing for. However, he did play 2 games with the Russian touring team when it was out west and came away with a +2 in those games.

RF4L


Fri Nov 18 2016 2:31 pm EST

On the Stevens hit, I am not sure what hit I was thinking about but it wasn't that Kariya hit. Meant at least more like the Lindros hit. N-S.

Ola


Fri Nov 18 2016 1:57 pm EST

oops...NOT trying to be snarky...DOH!!

RF4L


Fri Nov 18 2016 1:56 pm EST

CoMark: All good points but one question (and I'm trying to be snarky here): Have you seen him play? I have albeit a few years ago in the WJC and I was extremely impressed, even if it was a small sample size. Am I about to tell you I foresaw these numbers and success in the KHL? Hell no, but for sure I'm not at all surprised. In other words, I suspect they're as much a reflection of his ability and how he's playing as it is benefiting from backstopping a strong team. His projectory is most definitely and the up and up. I see his name starting to appear in articles about the top players not in the NHL - that only started in the past half year or so. Scouts/hockey people are beginning to recognize that the Rangers have a good one here it seems.

RF4L


Fri Nov 18 2016 12:40 pm EST

Sounds like a stiff neck. That probably explains why he wasn't the force he was when he came back from the original injury. The back spasms that Butch keeps going thru is concerning though. Thats just time.

E


Fri Nov 18 2016 12:30 pm EST

RF- Love those stats for the Russian goalie and Zborovsky. The only caution I would have is they are obviously playing for good teams, so their stats will be inflated. If the team hasn't lost, your going to have a huge goal differential which bloat the +/-, although it still means he's on the ice for a lot of goals for! As for the goalie, he's dominating like Hank did before he came over. Again, obviously the team is pretty good in front of him and I'm not always sure that is great for a goalies development. As I've said here before, I was always the goalie on the second teams as I'd never make the top team in my youth hockey. The guys who always beat me out were out of hockey by age 15 and I went on to play because I was getting 50+ shots a game on a losing team. Those guys had a great stats for a good team but could never get to the next level. I remember a kid who I coached in PEI who was the goalie for Brad Richards' team. He kept showing me all his newspaper clippings (Yes, newspaper clippings for Atom hockey!) with all of his shutouts. I'd look at the saves and he would have 3-5 saves a game (while Brad scored half the goals and they won 12-0 most games. The good news is I think Sherstiken has proven himself in other tournaments, so I'm pretty confident he is a blue chipper!

ColoradoMark


Fri Nov 18 2016 11:59 am EST

“I guess on the whole there was some stuff that ran parallel with the scary post-concussion stuff,” he added. “So it was something we kind of wanted to sift through and make sure it wasn’t that.”............ http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/chris-kreider-returns-rangers-practice-set-play-friday-article-1.2878098

mf


Fri Nov 18 2016 11:37 am EST

E: And a lot of rust from not playing. But it should also be said that it was a weak goal under the pad as well.

Vic


Fri Nov 18 2016 10:53 am EST

That Mcilrath turnover was horrible. That's what playing without confidence looks like.

E


Fri Nov 18 2016 10:49 am EST

Jair Citing the difference between the game when he entered the league and now...."You needed strength back then. You didn't have to be quick; you had to be strong to play in that league back then," said Jagr. "You don't have strength when you're 18. You have speed when you're 18. But you don't have strength. So you had to wait back then for a little bit. Now, because the game has changed, it's more about the speed, so there's more opportunities for the guys. When you're 18, you're quick.''

E


Fri Nov 18 2016 10:44 am EST

On the Stevens-Kariya hit........I was at the game and Kariya moved the puck, so none of us sage what happened until seeing the replay. He ended up unconscious laying on his back at center ice. The fact that we were all watching the puck and never saw the hit was proof to me that it was late and predatory. There were 2 more incredible events thereafter. The first was, of course, Kariya returning to the game and blowing the puck past Brodeur later in the game. A teachable moment about toughness and perseverance for my boys who were there with me. The second was that Bryan Murray, the Ducks GM at the time saying that there was nothing wrong with the hit and that Karia needed to keep his head up. Both of them were gone from the Ducks organization shortly thereafter.

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 10:37 am EST

Conor McDavid is an amazing player, but the Oilers still suck balls.

Bob


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:52 am EST

rf i'm sure big mac has some confidence issues along with needing help in increasing his skills by playing 10-20 games in a row at the very least. he will develop into a very good #6 and a pp point shot guy along with just putting him in front of a goalie on the pp. if he's playing with yandle, even better for him to get up to speed...he just needs a good skating and d coach ...thanks ass vipe......

stevielegs


Fri Nov 18 2016 9:11 am EST

McI's fumbled with the puck leading the JVR's goal: https://www.nhl.com/video/van-riemsdyk-scores-off-turnover/t-283074498/c-46456303

RF4L


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:46 am EST

stevens usually aimed for the chin with open ice hits faking being a hit to the chest..... if the nhl should do anything it should be weeding out intent to injure hits by prime dirty players known by all except by them thru ignoring some of those culprits. ...too many to name ....then maybe hockey can get back to being a good fast physical sport...

stevielegs


Fri Nov 18 2016 8:30 am EST

OLA: Are you saying that you think the STEVENS hit on KARIYA was a hockey play? That it was an ok hit? Because I don't see it that way at all. IMHO it was a very dirty, very late, blind side hit. KARIYA had already moved the puck two or three strides before. And STEVENS came in from the blind side and totally targeted KARIYA's head. The STEVENS hit on LINDROS was a different story. At least LINDROS had the puck. But again, STEVENS came across and totally targeted the head. If you go by the letter of the law (NHL rules) at the time that was a legal hit. But it was still a dirty hit. For me it always came down to this. I never minded a hit that was thrown with the intent to hurt.....to cause pain. But, I always hated hits that were thrown with the intent to injure. There is a clear difference. You know it immediately when you see it. Hits like STEVENS threw against KARIYA and LINDROS were intentional hits to injure. He avoids using his own body (because he doesn't want to get hurt) and instead uses the ballistic plastic elbow and shoulder "pads" to throw a targeted, hard shot to the head. The hit is magnified by the speed of both players at the time. And the force is so great that both KARIYA and LINDROS were knocked out instantly. I feel the same way about hits to the knees. In both cases (knees and head) we are talking about long term injury, potential career ending injury and/or life altering consequences. And for the life of me I don't get why the players union doesn't see this or care.

Vic


Fri Nov 18 2016 5:35 am EST

I looked it up, Armstrong didn't even get a minor for that hit on Letowski. The league's record of protecting its players from concussions sucks pretty bad lol. I get both sides on like Scott Stevens type of hits on Paul Kariya. But they are hockey plays. It is a D stopping a forward trying to score a goal with a hit. Its not like the D can take it easy and just make a soft hit, and in those examples the D just steps up and makes the hit. Sometimes it catches the head. But with these hits, the hitter obviously goes out of his way to target the head instead of taking the body. Its blind-side. Its made after the play is made. Should be banned.

Ola


Fri Nov 18 2016 5:30 am EST

Armstrong was also not suspended by the hit on Letowski (under CCs watch) if I remember correctly. I honestly think that those type of hits are pretty disgusting.

Ola


Fri Nov 18 2016 5:29 am EST

tdchi- Good post, I hate those type of hits made by Cooke. Check this recent hit that Kadri walked away from without any suspension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYojvkK9wTY In this cathegory, one of the worst hits I have seen is this by Armstrong on Letowski a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U6-d8frhko .................. I almost never have problems with N-S hits. A D stepping up on a forward. That is part of the game. Its a defensive play. I just do not understand why someone like Quintal gives these type of hits a green light in today's game??? Instead of taking the body, the hitter goes around the forward to target the head. Its made late and from the blind-side. Certainly very predatory. I just think they are very unnecessary.

Ola


Fri Nov 18 2016 12:43 am EST

Why exactly did we call up Nieves for one game? So he could play 4 games in five days? It makes zero sense.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 17 2016 10:56 pm EST

BTW Yandle was totally ineffective. Yep it's one game but geesh, $7,000,000 for the next 6 years? What a stupid contract....

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 10:29 pm EST

Sooo...just finished watching the Leaf/Panther game - McI's first game with his new team. OMG, the Panthers suck. Again. McI was ok but did a total fumble of the puck and coughed it up HUGE to JVR who promptly scored on a very not ready Reimer (who was at best average). A not very good debut for McI. Hopefully, the coach doesn't have the stupidly short leash with him that his previous coach loved.

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 4:27 pm EST

TDCHI - Thanks for the article. SAVARD, that little punk, was always one of my favorite Rangers and NHL Players...Damn that kid could pass and had some attitude...LIke RF4L said, it's a shame that it took him a few years and few teans to fianlly mature (finally getting it in Calgary)..Remember when we had all those small young centers...SAVARD, DUBE, YORK, SWANSON and others...Only York made it with us for a little while.......So said aboutr SAVARD.....Glad he's able to coach and have some fun again.....The part that really bugs me is COLIN CAMPBELL...Soup really does suck!!!

Hospo


Thu Nov 17 2016 3:56 pm EST

TD: Great article. Surely you know why Savard was traded (and I'm not necessarily justifying/defending it). It took him years to mature - it was 5 years after he was traded that he finally started to utilize the high skillset he was blessed with. Of course, not of this remotely justifies the Cooke hit. That was pure nastiness without a doubt and you're right, that asshole never rehabilitated. I've always hated players like him and never ever want to see such scum on any team I follow. Glad to see that his life seems to be turning around - I always enjoyed watching him play. Funny, I recall posting on here after watching him play a game for Oshawa after he was drafted marveling over his ability to pass the puck. Remember he and Christian Dube were considered the top 2 Ranger prospects at the time. I believe both were in the same Memorial Cup and it was Savard who stood out of the 2.

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 3:55 pm EST

Krieder to play tomorrow. Bush will be out. Boo sent down. All I got.

BONGO


Thu Nov 17 2016 3:36 pm EST

Couple thoughts on the article that follows, most of them attributed toward my inner-rage at: 1. The Rangers for trading SAVARD in the first place. Lord knows, the kid had the goods…even I could see that from sitting up in the rafters of the blue seats…2. That Matt COOKE not only escaped the hit that claimed Savard’s career without a suspension…but without a goddamn penalty…3. That King-of-the-douchbags Colin Campbell had the audacity…the absolute gaul…to say that a guy who got knocked unconscious for 29 seconds was diving…4. That shit like this STILL goes on in the NHL, albeit at a far lesser rate than before…5. That Cooke ended up playing another four seasons after that hit…and continued his antics…6. That the league and the shitbag Penguins tried to whitewash that scumbag by saying he re-invented himself and was a changed player…oh screw this…there’s just so much to be pissed off about reading this article…the only thing to be happy about is that Savvy is back in hockey and that god willing, the Rangers will have a first round draft pick when his son, Tyler, is draft-eligible in five years:http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/11/16/should-still-playing/DIkn2HVXRwYBWaJcik4zNN/story.html

tdchi


Thu Nov 17 2016 2:14 pm EST

Vic: What about Buch? Still hurt I guess?

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 1:58 pm EST

Per ZIP, HAYES and STEPAN given maintenance day off today. KREIDER and JOORIS back on ice in full contact jerseys. BOO still with the team.

Vic


Thu Nov 17 2016 1:48 pm EST

Brandon Halversieve got his first win for the Pack last night - a 3 2 So victory. Good for him. Can he keep it up?

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 12:50 pm EST

NCRanger - First time to a game in CBus. I'm bringing a client but should be able to meet for a beer. Let me know if you can. Looking forward to a helluva game.

DCIGolfer


Thu Nov 17 2016 12:15 pm EST

FYI Kreider medically cleared. Stamkos out 4 months.

BONGO


Thu Nov 17 2016 12:01 pm EST

DCI Golfer - I agree...way too cold in OH, but tomorrow should be pretty good. The cold kicks in on Saturday apparently. I'm from N.Carolina and not too big a fan of the Midwest...I'm actually live in Louisville now, so I'll be making the drive up from KY. Def. be up for a beer, but I'll be w/ my little one so not sure I'll be able to make it this time. I'll keep you posted...they have a giant bubble hockey game there that's pretty cool in between periods. Not sure if you've been, but one of the nicest hockey arena's I've been to. Very fan interactive....not much else going on in Columbus though.

NCRanger


Thu Nov 17 2016 11:35 am EST

NCRanger, I will be in Columbus sitting in the rafters. I'll be wearing my Rangers Hoodie. It's too damn cold in Ohio for this Florida boy! Maybe we can meet for a beer between periods. dcigolfer@gmail.com

DCIGolfer


Thu Nov 17 2016 11:26 am EST

Tortorella is going to bring in the Tortorella Testudo and it will be incumbent that the New York Rangers feast on transition and get numbers. I think this is a great teaching moment for the New York Rangers. Especially because I think that their scoring has kinda obfuscated some pretty sub par play as of late.

E


Thu Nov 17 2016 9:41 am EST

NCRanger: LOLOL...love the sweater! So true!

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 9:41 am EST

NCRanger: LOLOL...love the sweater! So true!

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 9:30 am EST

RF4L - and what's amazing about Igor's stats is that he's doing it against men in arguably the most challenging league outside the NHL. It's amazing to think this kid is only 20. Goalies don't hit their prime years until upper twenties. This kid could prob. come over next year, but I would def. say the year after as Hank begins to make his exit. Would allow him to mentor the kid for a year or two and split duties. Could be a win-win for all. I'd like to get him over sooner rather than later so he can have some tutelage under the direction of Allaire. On another note- I'll be in Coulmbus w/ my daughter tomorrow night behind the Rangers bench. I'll be the one wearing a "AV loves Pansy Hockey #DMcIlrath" shirt. Hoping Buch and/or Kreider are in the lineup....any word?

NCRanger


Thu Nov 17 2016 9:06 am EST

Another exciting prospect (IMO) is Sergey Zborovskiy. He's now an incredible +26 in 15 games. His Regina Pats have yet to lose a game this year in regular time (15 wins and 3 OT losses). Interestingly enough their GM/coach is John Paddock.

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 9:00 am EST

Sorry if this news was posted on here previously but isn't this kid exciting? Igor Shesterkin recorded his eighth shutout of the season for SKA of the Kontinental Hockey League. The 2014 fourth-round pick turned aside all 25 shots he faced in a 9-0 win over Barys. Shesterkin is now 17-1-2 this season with a .949 SV% and a 1.32 GAA. He has won 11 straight games and has not lost a game in regulation since Sept. 9. Fabulous stats!

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 8:57 am EST

The Rangers should expect some physical play tomorrow night. I don't think the BJs are as heavy as they were a year ago but they aren't lightweights, either and still believe one advantage they have over many other teams (especially the Rangers) is their ability to play physical. Dubi is off to a horrid start statisitically - 1 goal and 4 points in 12 games with a -4 to boot. I don't know if he's hurt - if not, he'll be looking to pound Rangers all night long. Can he keep up however? LOL

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 8:52 am EST

stevie: Agreed on the team D aspect. Interesting I was watching the Leafs the other night and remembered the rumours about Matt Martin wanting to sign with the Rangers. I like the guy but watching him as a Leaf and the speed of this year's Rangers forwards, could he keep up? I suspect not and probably AV told Gorton so (re 'we want speed across all 4 lines Jeff').

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 8:49 am EST

Rf from capt zero to g to staal to Boyle to yandle and Klien along with Big Mac did not have a good season last year because of the forwards, the coaches , and themselves. Team d makes your d look good, along with goalies who save all of their asses. Imagine most of this team had bad years last year and put up 101 points in the standings. 120 should be an achievable goal this year. And of course basically meaningless unless they get to the finals and finally win the cup and have a parade. Ass vipe could be the successful playoffs road block , if he continues repeating his history.

stevielegs


Thu Nov 17 2016 8:35 am EST

BTW, anyone see this? Matt Murray whacked by Malkin's stick. I've got nothing against Murray but it sure looks good on Malkin and the Penguins - Malkin's notorious for a wild stick and it's about time his recklessness ends up hurting his team instead of the opposition. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-see-murray-takes-malkins-swinging-stick-face/

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 8:32 am EST

Wild: IMO the biggest surprise is that they are achieving this with the defense they have. Mind you, the hockey media world are often like sheep - picking up what one or two say and treating it as gospel. Think back to last year at this time and where was the Ranger strength (according to the media)? Their defense. Now think back to September of this year when all the early season predictions started rolling in and where was their weakness? Their defense. What changed in 10 months? No Yandle and no Boyle and now Holden and Skeji. The top 4, in other words, remain. My point is that perhaps their defense isn't as bad as many believe - it wasn't 10 months ago!

RF4L


Thu Nov 17 2016 7:04 am EST

So far the goalies are doing their job above par, the d is better than last year, the team d is better, and the offense and special teams are a lot better. So the nyr are a lot better. The best part of their game to me is they're shooting more and moving the puck to catch the goalies moving creating a lot more goals.on top of that many guys have good chemistry together. And so far they seem to be coached a lot better than last year. ... as most wait for the bad times to hit...while they have shown depth with guys getting injured.

stevielegs


Thu Nov 17 2016 2:16 am EST

So the Rangers are a ridiculous plus 34 goal differential....the next in the NHL is Montreal with a plus 18. The Rangers have almost double the goal differential of the next best team....let that sink in for a second.....and they are doing it while missing top forwards and with a D that no one would say is the best. Just amazing. Won't last forever, but it's fun for now.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 16 2016 10:33 pm EST

7-1 Final. Fleury took one for the team. Tonight was also a game in hand game on the NYR for both the Caps and Pens.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 10:23 pm EST

Caps 7-1

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 10:22 pm EST

Caps 6-1 with 2:53 left in third.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 10:21 pm EST

TD: Dude, your passion about all things Rangers cannot be argued and your insight to hockey is solid. You also know how to string words together quite well and clearly you love to punctuate your posts/points with colourful adjectives like 'foolhardy' and 'horseshit'. The thing is when you float such adjectives it's usually in rebuttal to what someone else posted. So be it. But you should remember that you are equally guilty of such posts. For example, your continual declaration that McI would be in the Rangers starting 6 this year. In retrospect, horseshit and foolhardy. Just saying!!!

RF4L


Wed Nov 16 2016 10:14 pm EST

Caps lighting up the Pens 6-0.....Per Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay ..... BTW, no medical update tonight on NYR's Chris Kreider, perhaps tomorrow

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 8:42 pm EST

Fast blocked a shot last night with the side of his knee, went off, came back, and went off again... Anyone hear anything on his status? Thank you

mf


Wed Nov 16 2016 6:22 pm EST

Want to know the two biggest differences between the "streak" from last year and THE streak this year? Faceoffs and special teams. The Rangers were dreadful in the circle last year...they're still not gangbusters, but they're a hell of a lot better...but that's not as big of a change as the special teams...Rangers PP is now at 24 percent. That's a VERY good number...and their PK? 85 percent. Both of those figures are significantly higher than the league AVERAGE. What's that mean? Don't take a penalty versus the Rangers, because it's going to come back to haunt you on the scoreboard. And alternately, the Rangers can afford to take a penalty and not have to worry like they did last year about a goal showing up in the opposition's column one out of every four chances...Special teams is HUGE in today's NHL. Sure, possession is key....but again...you take a penalty against the Rangers and you're in trouble. There's a one-in-four chance it's going to result in a goal....so this business about them 'not playing well' --which is horseshit --and how they're repeating or mimicking their start last year is just foolhardy. There's a vast discrepancy between what we're seeing now and what was happening last year...in 2015, LUNDQVIST was winning games. This year, he's been tested...but I can't point to a single game where I can say he stole it from the jaws of defeat....I kind of smirked at all the 'doom' posts when Vancouver racked up 17 shots in the first and admittedly, the Rangers DID look sluggish(see: 3 hockey games in four days with travel across western Canada)...They walloped the Canucks 7-2 WITHOUT two of their top players! Was I surprised? Maybe by the final score....but I never once thought they were gonna lose. As for the 'lack of physicality' --something I still struggle to see --I just don't see how this is some critical absence. What do you think is going to happen when a teams at the losing end of a 7-2 drubbing? And man, those last two periods were BAD for Vancouver. Of course they're going to try to take their pound of flesh. Rangers did the best thing which is turn the other check and let them look like boobs...I hate to bring up the goddamn shitbag Pens...but they won a cup turning the other cheek while San Jose tried and tried and tried to pummel them into submission. Hey, it's Buttman's NHL. That's the way it goes. We're going to see less and less teams like Anaheim as they're simply not going to be able to compete with the tempo. Kudos to the Rangers for getting it...even though I am sorry that it's came at the loss of a kid like McILRATH.

tdchi


Wed Nov 16 2016 5:42 pm EST

Some fun facts.........Even Strength goals: Buffalo - 20, Colorado - 22, GRABNER+HAYES+MILLER - 23, Nashville - 26, New Jersey - 28, San Jose - 28, Carolina - 28, St. Louis - 28, Vancouver - 28, Ottawa - 29, Anaheim - 29........

Vic


Wed Nov 16 2016 4:35 pm EST

Taylor Hall out 3-4 weeks-torn miniscus. Johnny Hockey out indefinitely with finger surgery

puckyou


Wed Nov 16 2016 3:37 pm EST

PJ: Dream on my friend. That is not the AV way. Retribution gets you the pressbox, then the waiver wire, then jettisoned to another organization. In other words, get used to watching our Rangers get abused with no response (hell it's been happening for decades anyways). *SIGH*

RF4L


Wed Nov 16 2016 3:02 pm EST

PJ... The man bun is contributing to the decline of civilization.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 2:59 pm EST

RF73 - I hope that does happen...It will at least make the games more exciting..,Last night there were about10 checkes thrown by each team,,,,,But a lot of other games were the same..Not much hitting in the CBJ-Was game, opposite to what I expected,,OTOH, some good physical play in the DUCK-Oiler game (and a humdinger of a fight) where the bigger Ducks thrashed the Oil..Butthese games are the excepttion to the rule so far

Hospo


Wed Nov 16 2016 2:50 pm EST

PJ - Agree...It looked like he was slashed/speared & then pushed from behind/boarded...While watching that BS I thought to myself...When was the last fighting penalty involving the Rangers?...McI?...They continue to play like this the more of a target they will have on the backs & fronts & heads...They better learn to defend themselves or someone is really going to be injured.

RF73


Wed Nov 16 2016 2:49 pm EST

I believe the man bun is contributing to the decline in his play....

PJ


Wed Nov 16 2016 2:34 pm EST

Don't need an article like that and some SSS CF bullshit to tell me that Klein has been bad...The eye test tells it all...He is one my fave Rangers but he has been bith slow and weak so far this year...Does he stabilize or continue the downward trend...I'm hoping/guessing the former!!!

Hospo


Wed Nov 16 2016 2:33 pm EST

As much as I like the result of last night's game the ending pissed me off to no end....Grabner gets viciously slashed and when holding his arm in pain gets knocked to the ice....He then gets up and another Canuck comes up and shoves him....Not one Ranger did a thing....McD skated into the picture and just stood there and did nothing as if he thought he was Dan Girardi....May be the new NHL but I don't have to like it.....

PJ


Wed Nov 16 2016 1:48 pm EST

THE SNEAKY-BAD START TO KEVIN KLEIN’S SEASON..... http://blueseatblogs.com/2016/11/16/sneaky-bad-start-kevin-kleins-season/

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 1:36 pm EST

IMO Hank certainly earned his paycheck yesterday.. An early or untimely goal or two and the outcome is anyone's guess.... Another victory with 2 GA's or less in this "new nhl climate" is still appreciated by some in the cjc.......

mf


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:48 pm EST

RF4L... It was actually his 4th game in 5 nights. All things considered, I agree he did pretty well. He'll be better the next game.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:45 pm EST

Rangers prospect Igor Shesterkin recorded his eighth shutout of the season for SKA of the Kontinental Hockey League. The 2014 fourth-round pick turned aside all 25 shots he faced in a 9-0 win over Barys. Shesterkin is now 17-1-2 this season with a .949 SV% and a 1.32 GAA. He has won 11 straight games and has not lost a game in regulation since Sept. 9. Over in the Western Hockey League, 2015 second-round pick Ryan Gropp scored a goal in Seattle's 5-2 win over Spokane Tuesday night. The winger has three goals and eight assists for 11 points in 12 games this season for the Thunderbirds, and is currently riding a nine-game point streak.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:38 pm EST

Wonder what the plan is in Vancouver... Loui signed for 6 more years. The Sedin twins got a few years left. Could be painful

Ola


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:36 pm EST

Nieves looked OK IMO. First game. One guy that struggled was Lindberg... Ouch. I feel a bit for the kid. He works hard two years in HFD and pays his dues. Starts of really really well in the NHL. Then get a lingering hip-problem that hurts him the entire 2nd half of the season, and he misses the off-season and camp after double hip surgeries. This time last season he was 7+5 for 12 pts in 16 games. What now? I don't think he is in good enough shape. It can be the end of his NY career...

Ola


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:23 pm EST

Thanks guys, much appreciated!

hipcheck


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:21 pm EST

hipcheck – don’t think NIEVES looked out of place…and I think RF4L brings up a very good point: The kid played a hell of a lot of hockey over four days and traveled coast-to-coast in the process…I don’t really have much to add in the way of notes…was perfectly serviceable as a fourth line center. Think his game still needs some polish, but he didn’t look out of place. Dare I say he had a nondescript game, which was a win given the circumstances of his call up.

tdchi


Wed Nov 16 2016 11:57 am EST

Hip: Nieves looked nervous - fumbled the puck a few times. His skating is his strong suite and he had no problems keeping up. Apparently, it was his 3rd game in 4 nights and he had to fly across country and deal with the 3 hour time zone difference. IMO, given that and the fact that it was his first real NHL game, he did fine. I hope Buch (or Kreider) is back Friday but if not, Nieves should do better then.

RF4L


Wed Nov 16 2016 11:46 am EST

HIP - Says he played 11 mins...I found him to be invisible..and he did poor on faceoffs....Since the Rangers are a non-checking team (as are most teams), hard to make an impression unless you skate and score...hard to do first night out

Hospo


Wed Nov 16 2016 11:39 am EST

I didn't get a chance to watch... anyone have any comments on NIEVES game? Thnx.

hipcheck


Wed Nov 16 2016 9:58 am EST

Vic: I concur the offense is better and yes, the running around in their own end isn't as bad but for sure there were remnants of last year in parts of the game. That said, they are out west and playing a lot of games. Interesting trio of games upcoming: BJs and Pittsburgh back to back - another good test for this club. The BJs are playing well although one significant aspect of their success is the play of Bobo - so far, he's lights out compared to his miserable start last year.

RF4L


Wed Nov 16 2016 9:55 am EST

McI pressboxed again by FLA...

RF4L


Wed Nov 16 2016 9:50 am EST

Trade,is neymar any good. Omg. He is amazing. Best player from Brazil. Amazing at Barcelona. Just incredible and still so young. You have Messi and Cristiano. Then you have a group of strikers like Neymar Griezmann, Suarez and Bale. Neymar can be argued to be the best of the second group. Amazing player. Enjoy

KIS


Wed Nov 16 2016 9:32 am EST

We have seen other teams pressure the Rangers for extended time this year like Vancouver did last night. However, the Rangers defensive coverage during those times is much better. They aren't running around without any structure or philosophy. This year they are protecting the slot. They aren't allowing nearly as many uncontested scoring chances from the slot. So while Vancouver dominated play and kept the puck in the Rangers end during the first half of the game they weren't getting a ton of uncontested scoring chances. There were some, no doubt. But a lot of the shots they got were from 25 feet or more out with HANK having a clear sight of the shooter. The Rangers blocked a lot of shots and they were tying up guys out front and clearing rebounds. So while I didn't like the fact that Vancouver was pouring on the pressure, I thought the Rangers handled it much better then they did last year.

Vic


Wed Nov 16 2016 9:24 am EST

Maybe the worst first period the team has played this year. They looked slow, disinterested and uninspired to say the least. I didn't think it had much to do with Vancouver. The Rangers just weren't moving their feet. There was a lot of standing around and watching. But as the game wore on they got better and better. They dominated the 3rd period even if they didn't get a lot of shots on goal. We all know that their shooting percentage can't continue to stay this impossibly high. However, if they keep getting these glorious scoring chances (breakaways and uncontested tap-ins) then I can't see it coming down quickly either. While the stench of last year was in the air last night I do believe this team is different. Offensively it is a MUCH better team. The depth and overall skill level of the team is much higher.

Vic


Wed Nov 16 2016 8:36 am EST

Wow, went to bed after the 2nd and 4 goals? LOL. Good...that's what they should have done the first period but better late than never!

RF4L


Wed Nov 16 2016 8:09 am EST

Agreed, it sounds a bit alarming that they don't shut down speculation about concussion. Neck spasm also sounds a bit like a code word for a concussion... Also a bit scary since Kreider really hasn't received any blows to the head. But who knows, for all we know he could have a broken finger. ;)

Ola


Wed Nov 16 2016 7:59 am EST

Okay Ranger friends, what's wrong with Kreider? Head?

jkropp


Wed Nov 16 2016 6:13 am EST

So far the feeling I'm getting is that this is a TEAM with chemistry. If they continue to stick together and grow they will be ready when the playoffs start. Right now they are on a mission to destroy goalies' numbers. And hank and antti look like the dynamic duo of Batman and Robin. Robbing teams of their goals.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 6:05 am EST

Before confidence. I would say ice bags,” coach Alain Vigneault said when explaining the win. “So many of our guys put their bodies on the line to block shots, came back and continued to play through the pain. So, for me, that was a big statement — a willingness to pay the price in defensive situations which, when we had offensive opportunities, we were able to capitalize.”

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 6:02 am EST

It certainly wasn’t a good sign that Vigneault was being so evasive. When he was asked directly if Kreider was being checked for a concussion, the coach decided to sidestep again. “Right now I have no update on anything,” he said. “We’re just waiting. He’s getting evaluated, and when we know more, we’ll let you know.”

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 4:51 am EST

Its November, I don't mind inconsistent play and effort. Last year I think we saw more like consistently bad play. Don't really think that has been the case this year, right? We play really well here and there too. With that said, it really don't mean much that we are playing this well right now. The game will change the longer into the season we get, we definitely can't assume that we will be able to dominate down the road too. But good start! :) Love how the kids are looking!

Ola


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:55 am EST

The biggest improvments to me over last year is the PP and face-offs. Add to that a more skilled mix of players and all the guys who had bad years last year are having a bounce back season so far. This goal scoring is awsome. Hope they can keep it up. They are showing serious confidence with their shots. I would say that. Agree that they can get scrabbling in thier own end for shifts at a time which can be concerning but they seem to just start to chip away at the opponent and once they start scoring it comes in bunches.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:47 am EST

Worth staying up for. This team is UNFREAKIN BELIEVABLE

rangerlou


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:42 am EST

So was 7-2 not good enough folks? Showing cracks? Not disciplined enough? Sleepwalking? LOL - this teams feels pretty different this year with the infusion of youth and some of our younger players really taking over the team. Good stuff! LGR!

Z


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:34 am EST

They better suspend that guy for that slash and board...

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:33 am EST

7 heaven

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:28 am EST

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VuAZTWGfQTs

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:12 am EST

Hey KIS....one of my new clients has a guy called Neymar Jr. as the corporate ambassador....They have an app where Neymar shows you how he works out, etc. (NABUFlT).......is he any good?

TradeStar28


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:03 am EST

Jitters 5 from zuucca

stevielegs


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:01 am EST

Purple haze!!

NV94


Wed Nov 16 2016 12:01 am EST

Holy Hayes

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:54 pm EST

Need toothpicks for my eye lids with these late night games

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:48 pm EST

stevie: Yeah, but I'm seeing this creeping back into their game lately...hopefully just a glitch. Dunno if I'm gonna be able to stomach the 3rd period here! LOL

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:40 pm EST

Rf that type of game happens but they have been much better this year by scoring a lot more.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:39 pm EST

Well that was inevitable...

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:38 pm EST

Doing tort shot blocking blacknblue ... copying the play pens....kids in Hartford will be seeing some NHL time if this keeps up...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:37 pm EST

All these blocks shots by the Rangers - it's because Vancouver is dominating the play.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:33 pm EST

stevie: The Rangers won something like 15 of their first 20 games last year playing just like this. Little passion, disorganized in their own end but some timely goals and the King standing on his head. The difference so far is that their PP is lights out compared to last year's. This stuff has been creeping back into their game over the 2 weeks. Hopefully, it's a glitch - the BJs and a home and home with Penguins up after this!

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:30 pm EST

Ok. I see Zuch. Starting to like Holden. Plays smooth not fancy. Skates well

KIS


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:30 pm EST

Good puck movement on the PP ..... Chicken Pirri with the PP goal....

mf


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:30 pm EST

Except for the PP...this year's PP is much more impressive.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:29 pm EST

Pirri papa john

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:27 pm EST

Team plays so much better with Buch in the game

KIS


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:27 pm EST

Who's going to get the papa JOHN 3rd goal ?

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:27 pm EST

Where is zuch tonight. Just turned the game on I was watching the horrible US men's soccer game.

KIS


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:26 pm EST

Rf difference is the are winning

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:23 pm EST

OMG, Rangers look so much like last year in this game.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:22 pm EST

Henrik!!!

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:22 pm EST

This is the big one Elizabeth!! Hayes again comes through.

WIOSA


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:20 pm EST

Proof of the sophomore jinx

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:19 pm EST

Stepan needs to leave the game.... gabby hazy goal!

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:18 pm EST

Good God Jitters for all that skill, still makes bone-headed decisions with the puck sometimes.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:17 pm EST

Jitters brain power continues to stutter

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:16 pm EST

E: That's what shitty teams do when the superior team doesn't come to play. The Rangers need to learn to slam these teams often and early if they wanna truly contend IMO. They are rope-a-doping and it's annoying as hell.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:14 pm EST

Call Clem it's pp time hurry get dressed in the phone booth

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:10 pm EST

The Canucks just suck the joy out of hockey. Just bad. The New York Rangers are sleepwalking thru this one

E


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:09 pm EST

JT between the legs - he's got some pretty crazy skills. He just looks like he wants to be great and has been doing it all year. Hell of a goal. LGR!

Z


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:08 pm EST

Stepan back on the ice ... kid will have to wait....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:00 pm EST

Lose the period but up 1-0 .. good luck helps... stepan another injury? .... guess another kid might get called up...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:44 pm EST

Wow...what a goal by Miller. And OMG, is the period like so many GAMES last year...

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:40 pm EST

Minimal passion/intensity to the Rangers game so far. Not surprising I guess given the situation...

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:32 pm EST

Lindberg won't be in the lineup long....

PJ


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:28 pm EST

Looking bad early....Another penalty?.....

PJ


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:21 pm EST

Holden the enforcer....The ice capades is in town....

PJ


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:19 pm EST

Jitters jittery early!

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:15 pm EST

Good lord, Dickenose is pathetic....such fabulous insight the first time the camera's on Nieve: "He's a good kid. He's a big kid. 215 lbs." LOLOLOL.... freakin idiot...

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 9:59 pm EST

Why is Dugay wearing his 1970's prom jacket? ?

rangerlou


Tue Nov 15 2016 8:35 pm EST

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLUdmMccuxH2H7-rF9vz856kDEQYve-YOY&v=_UnPzp2lmNk

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 8:33 pm EST

Rhet how can the authority on everything who researches all be wrong ? Impossible and twice in one day , must be a really broken clock.... say it ain't so... lol... why's everybody always picking on me , Charlie Brown...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 7:56 pm EST

RinkRat.... LOL. Glad to see you're still lurking :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 15 2016 7:55 pm EST

TD.... JENSEN and HRIVIK both cleared waivers on October 6th. They would have to clear waivers again unless they were brought up on Emergency Waivers.... WILD.... That's not how NHL Emergency Waivers work at all. "Emergency Recall: Players on loan to an affiliated league may be recalled without waivers under emergency conditions, established when injury, illness or suspensions result in the availability of fewer than two goalkeepers, six defensemen and twelve forwards. Players recalled under emergency conditions must be returned as soon as the emergency is over."

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 15 2016 7:31 pm EST

Whatever it is, the Rangers need to keep him off the ice until he's fully healed. It's way too early in the season to be putting guys out there where longer term injuries are a risk.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 7:24 pm EST

If he has had neck spasms, both that and a concussion could be related. I remember reading how a certain kind of whiplash to the neck can cause a concussion. I am no doctor so maybe someone else knows more about this kind of thing. Would explain his so so play since returning the last game (or 2?). Saw him walking down the hallway during the 2nd period break last game on TV and he did not look right in the face. Thought to myself that he was maybe in pain or something. Had a grimmace and did not look ’right'. If you know what I mean. Kind of off. Maybe somone still has it on DVR and can go back and look. Either way, not good for us.

NYStranger


Tue Nov 15 2016 5:30 pm EST

NIEVES looked Big & Fast in his lone pre season game. There is zero.zero pressure on him. I love the call up. Give him a super simple assignment and let him fly around and hopefully crash into people, stand in front & get some rubber on net.

hipcheck


Tue Nov 15 2016 5:26 pm EST

A French RinkRat!!?? Mon Dieu!!!!

RinkRat


Tue Nov 15 2016 5:04 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1h1 hour ago Steve Zipay Retweeted LeRinkRat YesSteve Zipay added, LeRinkRat @LeRinkRat @stevezipay "Konig Heinrick" in goal tonight @ Canucks, Steve ??? 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1h1 hour ago Still no word on Kreider, per AV, being evaluated, should know more in 48 hours

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 4:17 pm EST

Rf. I remember kreider trying to throw a good check against somebody in the offensive zone in the middle just about the circles. They both hot strong and kreider went down. It was either the last game or the game before he sat out the first time

KIS


Tue Nov 15 2016 3:30 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 40m40 minutes ago Without 20 and 89, NYR PP is 27,73,36,10,93 and 13,21,61,26,76.... 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 45m45 minutes ago Nieves working on penalty kill 0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like More Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 46m46 minutes ago NY lines: Grab-Step-Nash; Miller-Ziba-Zuke: Vesey-Hayes-Fast; Lindberg-Nieves-Pirri

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 3:13 pm EST

If Kreider is concussed, when did it happen? With most, if not all concussions, you can pinpoint to a precise situation it occurred. I didn't see any of the early season games (and only 1 pre-season game) - did he get hit or lay out a violent hit that shook him during that time?

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 3:10 pm EST

RF4L- I thought the same thing... sh*t!

schneidw


Tue Nov 15 2016 3:05 pm EST

Didn't Staal report to camp the year he missed all those games with a concussion reportedly complaining of chronic neck pain?

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 2:03 pm EST

GREAT READ!!!! http://www.tsn.ca/talent/are-the-rangers-for-real-1.608416

schneidw


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:58 pm EST

RF4L – We agree on HRIVIK. We disagree on JENSEN. I think the latter has the capacity to be a very solid NHLer. He might not do it with the Rangers, but he has the goods to be in some teams’ top nine. Think the largest reason he’s not getting the call is because of waivers…10 games or 30 days and he has to go through them again. He won’t make it through a second time.

tdchi


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:47 pm EST

Here is a possibility that it's a concussion in disguise. Crosby a couple years back kept having neck issues, they found that it was actually some swelling on his brain from a concussion that was causing the symptoms in his neck or something like that. I remember reading that it's very hard to determine what it is because the traditional concussion tests show normal. Something about the part of the brain injured doesn't affect cognitive abilities or some such. Mostly over my head, but the way the things I read at that time sounded it made some sense. Let's hope that's not the case with Kreider because Crosby missed like a month and a half.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:43 pm EST

RF4L: The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry and can absorb litigation costs if they arise. Also what player would refuse? With non guaranteed contracts and all....we see NHL teams announce most things once they are diagnosed....likely with player approval. As for who HIPPA applies to, it's any healthcare provider, it's more the team trainers and doctors that don't want that stuff out there. The teams themselves may not be on the hook but the health care providers are. Any release of info will ultimately end up on them. Granted it takes someone going after them or a player getting passed off....but the issue still exists.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:29 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 12m12 minutes ago Nieves BTW, has been assigned No. 67...believe last worn by Benoit Pouliot

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:28 pm EST

ola: I echo E's sentiments on your scouting prowess. I did find your take on Nieves to be insightful and I think it really describes a lot of players - many have a particular strength (or 2) but are unable match the often very fluid tempo of a given play and are render ineffective. Nieves is young tho and in theory there's time for him to adjust/mature. Interestingly enough sometimes players need to play as the highest level before they can adjust. If Nieves fits in, that'll bode well for Gorton in terms of having extra assets to move to address the QB PP issue.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:27 pm EST

Kocur, Tiger Williams, Darcy Tucker, Tie Domi...Is this an oldtimers game or a street fight?!? https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/news/toronto-maple-leafs-and-detroit-red-wings-announce-roster-for-2017-rogers-nhl-centennial-classic-tm-alumni-game/c-283743480

tdchi


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:16 pm EST

Video from the Rangers practice this morning..... http://www.fail.nl/item/een-heerlijke-compilatie-van-ijshockey-amateurs

RF73


Tue Nov 15 2016 1:05 pm EST

Thx E!

Ola


Tue Nov 15 2016 12:52 pm EST

What shames me is how Ola manages to scout as many players he does. He's a true hockey nerd. He's got me beat 10-fold. Always good insight.

E


Tue Nov 15 2016 12:33 pm EST

schneidw – The Pack have been a team in turmoil. Not saying that NIEVES’ production would be radically different if they weren’t, but his stats are not indicative of the player he is. I generally agree with Ola’s assessment of him…this is a big-bodied forward(220 pounds) who can FLY. He’s got very good acceleration and doesn’t shy away from physical play. Had very good chemistry with VESEY. I personally think he could benefit from a few months to a whole season in Hartford…and I think he’ll get that…but he’s a very promising young player.

tdchi


Tue Nov 15 2016 12:29 pm EST

Wonder if kreider has a concussion. Something smells fishy in gorton land

KIS


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:25 am EST

Nieves- Only scored 1 goal this year playing against AHL competition... DOES NOT excite me!... More importantly, what is wrong with KREIDER???!!!!

schneidw


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:24 am EST

JMVVO of course........

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:23 am EST

TD: I agree with part of your Nieves recall explanation - it's because AV (and I'd argue management) want to see Nieves in true NHL action because they know what they have with the other 2, which is basically marginal NHL talent.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:19 am EST

Wild: Mmmm...the NFL gives full disclosure for injuries (and that's because they know a significant part of their popularity is due to all the betting that occurs and being coy when it comes divulging injury details would be counter-productive to that). Therefore, I'm not buying it, unless the CBA has HIPPA like clauses.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 11:12 am EST

wait are you guys claiming the all knowing wildcard is incorrect as it pertains to the nhl?....say it ain't so....you have to be wrong no matter what...lol....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:48 am EST

Bob is on the money. The privacy regs enacted under HIPAA pertains to hospitals and insurance carriers releasing private patient information publicly...I don't believe NHL teams are bound by HIPAA, but rather a stipulation in the NHLPA agreement. Players were targeting other players' injuries.

tdchi


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:41 am EST

Were I to guess, the promotion of NIEVES over JENSEN and/or HRIVIK has more to do with AV wanting to get a better look at him after he missed most of the pre-season than anything else. I think Nieves is in the Rangers’ long-term plans. Like I said in the past, they’ve not been bashful about playing him in big-game situations in Hartford…and he really did have a great showing at TC…Him and VESEY worked really well together…This is a chance for AV to see how the kid responds to NHL minutes...a good measuring stick to see how far he’s come and where he has to go from here…I also don’t think either Jensen or Hrivik would get promoted unless they believe KREIDER, BUCH and JOORIS are all going to be out long-term. Nieves has the skill set and is an easy one that can be ping-ponged between Hartford and the big club. My guess is he’ll skate tonight and maybe another game if Buch or Jooris isn’t ready.

tdchi


Tue Nov 15 2016 10:17 am EST

My recollection of the upper/ lower body injury thing is teams doing that to avoid the opponents targeting the area of the injury. Every other pro sport and college sport report the injuries except the NHL. I don't think it has anything to do with HIPAA, and I work for a home health care company and deal with these issues all the time.

Bob


Tue Nov 15 2016 9:45 am EST

RF4L: Adding to my last about HIPPA, you can't blanket waive it, so in the player contract they couldn't do that. HIPPA has things that don't expressly forbid it, but legal precedent makes it difficult. There have been lawsuits that have gone after organizations that release information different than what they originally thought they were waiving for....and what smart company would risk any suite or medical license being suspended or revoked. So instead we have this "upper body injury is being evaluated" thing that is so very annoying.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 15 2016 9:41 am EST

Ola: If I remember that was the issue with Hags when he was first starting. The coaches in Hartford worked with him to slow down a bit so he had an extra gear to make defenders miss when he went to full speed....he was much MUCH more effective once he figured out how to do that.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 15 2016 9:39 am EST

RF4L: Its no the NHL...its HIPPA. Literally its against the law for the team or the NHL to release information without express consent of the player. Any information on exact injury or treatment MUST be kept secret unless its okayed by the player. Even then they have to be carful that every little detail is okay by the player who is a patient under the law. Its just safer for team to keep heir mouths shut and, it protects their medical staff from government agencies going after their medical licenses....its a rather big deal to some regulators....

Wildcard


Tue Nov 15 2016 8:59 am EST

I've seen some of Boo Nieves on a regular basis for a few years now, and I think I got a pretty good grip on him. Boo is physically very talented, skates really well, physically strong, handles the puck fairly well, can snipe it -- and so forth. There is no apparent flaw in his game. However, he only have one gear. He can only play the game at one speed, and that is full speed ahead. That is for example the big reason for why he never produced that much in college despite being very talented. A D going up against him just needs to back into his goalie and Boo will end up in the corner or behind the net. Creating offense is really almost exclusively about changing tempo. I heard one coach put it as "asking questions" to the D. If the forward do this, can the D adjust? A forward gets a puck, he can start by putting on the after-burners and go for beating the D wide. 99/100 times the D will contain him. That question is answered. But what about if the forward cuts to center, can the D follow with him? Most of the time that is a no-go too. When the trailers are coming, can the sort out the marking and take them all out? Ok they could, but lets put the puck on the net and see if the D can take care of the rebound? And so on. Its a pretty fitting way to describe it, that really also show how you must play to be successful offensively today. It really is about being able to ask as many "questions" like that as possible to the D. Constantly trying to force them to move around, adjust, circle the box and so forth and so forth. Sooner or later an opertunity arise. When you like Boo Nieves only have one gear, it does not transform into many pts. But sure, give him an opertunity in a foot race and he will take advantage of it. I think he will be a NHLer, probably a good 4th lineer, maybe even decent 3rd lineer.

Ola


Tue Nov 15 2016 8:55 am EST

Am I the only one who finds the NHL's allowance of teams to be constantly murky about the nature of the injuries suffered by its players ridiculous, to the point of pouty school-children behaviour? I mean, what the hell is the big secret anyways? Geesh.

RF4L


Tue Nov 15 2016 7:00 am EST

"The Syracuse native and product of the University of Michigan was the Blueshirts’ second-round pick (59th overall) in the 2012 draft, and had one goal and five assists for the Wolf Pack over his first 13 games this season. Yet his biggest asset is exactly what Vigneault covets most — speed."

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 6:59 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 19h19 hours ago Steve Zipay Retweeted Matt Evans Wrote last night that if its a winger, possibly Hrivik: 6-6-12 in 13

stevielegs


Tue Nov 15 2016 2:21 am EST

Another think Hrivik hasn't played much C if I am not mistaken. Jensen is also a wing. Lindberg was used as a 3rd line wing the other night I think and Pirri has taken a step back while at C (and all together really) and is better at wing. So recalling a center makes more sense and gives AV more options than recalling a wing. Nieves let's Pirri go to the wing spot and AV has 5 centers in case one falters.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 15 2016 2:15 am EST

Rhet: The Rangers would have to put both Kreider and Buch on IR to use Emergency callup status to avoid waivers. If they don't expect one (or both) to be down 10 days from yesterday they won't do that when Nieves is not waiver eligible.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 14 2016 10:06 pm EST

stevie: I concur but perhaps it's also a case of the coach telling the GM he doesn't like certain players and simply will not play them unless he's got no choice (re injuries). How fragile does the coach think his lineup is? Would giving Clendenning 5 to 8 minutes last night risk having things come unglued and a loss results? Is it curious for sure....

RF4L


Mon Nov 14 2016 10:05 pm EST

Any news on Kreider's health... I am very concerned.. Kreids was leading the charge this year....

schneidw


Mon Nov 14 2016 10:00 pm EST

Could be no Jensen or Hrvik because the Rangers have already passed them by. This could be, in other words, a legitimate chance for Nieves to strut his stuff.

RF4L


Mon Nov 14 2016 9:12 pm EST

Any player who doesn't fit ass vipes mold should not be kept in Hartford. Obviously fishboy and him are on the same or similar pages. .... but playing last night short handed and not using Clem for one second makes zero sense to me even though they win. If the professor thinks he's a good pp point man but refused to use him st even strength on d or the 4 th line is extremely hard to follow the logic. and the bs excuse of him not warming up doesn't hold cold water. What if the nyr got a pp in the first few minutes of the first period? After the first he had time to warm up. To make the guy sit on the bench for 60 minutes is not very constructive. He must feel real confident now. He's officially the new Big Mac jr...hope he took notes and carried ass vipes water....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 8:37 pm EST

Rhet0ric - JENSEN and HRIVIK already went through waivers. My understanding is that they can be recalled and stick with the team for 10 games or 30 days without having to go through waivers again...if that's the case, the organization must be pretty high on NIEVES...because IMO, JENSEN is the guy I'd recall from the Pack...Still, good for Nieves. I think the kid has a very bright NHL future a head of him. Not sure what his ceiling will be, but he has the goods to be an effective player...and certainly fits into the mold of the kind of guys AV seems to like.

tdchi


Mon Nov 14 2016 8:32 pm EST

Including SKAPSKI(now with Greenville) and HELLBERG, the Pack have exactly NINE players from their roster last year at this time: BODIE, SUMMERS, TAMBELLINI, GRAVES, HUGHES, GLASS and HRIVIK. That's it folks...Seven position players...four D and three forwards...and that's including Glass, who only skated 17 games...so really you're looking at six position players...I mean, the Pack by their very nature are used to significant roster turnover every year...but that is a lot for even them...couple that with having six AHL rookies on their roster...and well, you kind of get the picture for why they're struggling right now...I think I mentioned this before too, but it's clear AV tweaked his game plan for the Rangers...if previous seasons are any indication, Gernander likely adopted a similar game plan for the Pack...and that could be a tough one for a team like that to execute. They do have some burners down there...but they also have a nice cluster of AHL lifers who are anything but fast...Worry about the Pack? Not a chance. They've got more talent down there than I can recall them having in the past five or six years...I mean, there are at least six guys I could see having good NHL careers from their current roster...they're going to have long season, but I would be surprised if they remain in the cellar.

tdchi


Mon Nov 14 2016 8:24 pm EST

Kreider went back to New York. That's not good.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 14 2016 8:14 pm EST

The NYR could have brought up any player on Emergency Waivers (where they wouldn't have to clear when sent down). Since Nieves is coming, I think he will be here for more than just a cup of coffee. That says to me that either Kreider or Buchnevich will be out for more than a couple of days. If Nieves makes the team, that would also make Lindberg available as a trading chip. Lots of teams around the League like the kid.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 14 2016 7:29 pm EST

Quick... trade Boo before it's too late.

E


Mon Nov 14 2016 7:27 pm EST

Boo has a real future in the NHL with nyr hopefully.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 7:06 pm EST

What I did see in Booin his short moment was a very big guy with wheels. If his sense shows that he can take some 4th line minutes that is just another big body who can skoot and help make the New York Rangers that much more a track meet.

E


Mon Nov 14 2016 6:17 pm EST

Neives perhaps in part because he can go up and down without waivers (vs say Hrvik)?

RF4L


Mon Nov 14 2016 5:17 pm EST

boo boo ?

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 4:27 pm EST

Yep, BOO has been recalled.

Vic


Mon Nov 14 2016 4:10 pm EST

Nieves recalled.

Bob


Mon Nov 14 2016 3:24 pm EST

E - He played one game during pre-season..not enough to show anything....A pretty awful team down in Hartford but best guy to call up is the guy who can contribute most during limited minutes on the Rangers 4th line..It's up to them..

Hospo


Mon Nov 14 2016 2:22 pm EST

Wouldn't Nieves be next up? He looked just about ready to compete for a spot during preseason.

E


Mon Nov 14 2016 1:42 pm EST

CMark: I believe that Jooris has Not been cleared for contact...

mf


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:40 pm EST

Wouldn't Jooris be the next guy dressing? Why call someone up to fly across the country if he's close?

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 14 2016 11:42 am EST

More yawnage last night..even for a game between two qick/talented teams.. but Rangers made it look like one... Rangers got the job done shorthanded and tired at the end..Kudos to them and freaking Michael Grabner...I still want Stalberg instead..:)...Forget the other ice capaders,..CALL UP GLASS!!!!!!

Hospo


Mon Nov 14 2016 11:15 am EST

Leo-nardo: Super-moon, not Blue-moon: http://www.space.com/34714-supermoon-science-nasa-explains-closest-full-moon.html

mf


Mon Nov 14 2016 10:58 am EST

LEO: No kidding! He has used 3 now this season by my count. And 2 of those have been in the last week! Now, only 38 more to go for me to get that pool question right. Obviously I am an idiot for thinking that AV would have learned his lesson last year in that saving timeouts doesn't get you a cookie at the end of the year. Oh well.......

Vic


Mon Nov 14 2016 10:40 am EST

Vic - Must've been a blue moon last night because AV burned a timeout. The dream of eighty TO's in the back pocket is dying rapidly :)

LeoS


Mon Nov 14 2016 9:34 am EST

Oh, and "Conventional Wisdom" was +1 for the weekend with the BUCH goal on Saturday coming after a 5 on 5 faceoff win in the offensive end. The goal was not scored immediately, but the Rangers kept the puck in and wore down Calgary until BUCH eventually scored. So on the season we are at break even.

Vic


Mon Nov 14 2016 9:32 am EST

Hard to complain too much about a 4 point weekend on the road in Western Canada. Obviously the game against Calgary was better from the Rangers perspective. The Rangers dominated the first period but Edmonton was definitely the better team the rest of the way. RAANTA was outstanding and the Rangers defense did a good job of limiting high quality scoring chances for the most part, although Edmonton missed multiple open nets. TALBOT was also extremely good. The Rangers may have been outshot but they had so many glorious scoring chances that TALBOT saved. They get a day to rest and then hopefully get a win in Vancouver to help get the bad taste that I still have in my mouth from the bad loss to Vancouver at home last week.

Vic


Mon Nov 14 2016 8:42 am EST

The Rangers essentially played three lines, with Brandon Pirri and Oscar Lindberg on ice less than 10 minutes apiece. Adam Clendening, who dressed as a seventh defenseman, did not play at all. He was scheduled as a scratch, and “was coming to the building and didn’t have a warmup at all,’’ Vigneault said. “My plan was that if we ever got a power play, we were going to use him. We didn’t get one.”

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 7:23 am EST

so clem was going to be on the pp, but they were none so he sat the whole game...got it,,,,,

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 4:07 am EST

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/sports/hockey/eric-lindros-hall-of-fame.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&referer=http://www.rangerfancentral.com/

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 3:54 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/14/rangers-victory-shows-team-unfazed-by-weird-road-trip/

mf


Mon Nov 14 2016 1:57 am EST

...paging Enver Lisin...

LeoS


Mon Nov 14 2016 1:37 am EST

......and maybe a shtup

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:19 am EST

TradeStar28: maybe send him to Brighton Beach for a schvitz.....

mf


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:18 am EST

Raanta certainly earned his paycheck tonight allowing only 1 GA .... not a very pretty victory but we'll take it and the 2 points..... Who's Next ! ?

mf


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:11 am EST

Pretty crazy that Buch is out with back spasms.......I figure that if u have access to the best chiros, the best masseuses , the best therapy available....and a bottle of Soma ......that can be put to ease.....guess not

TradeStar28


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:08 am EST

Is Clem allowed on the ice now ?

stevielegs


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:01 am EST

Hrvik deserves the call, based on stats anyways.

RF4L


Mon Nov 14 2016 12:00 am EST

The prince has kept the spoilers in this game

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:59 pm EST

It will probably be Hrivik(leading Pack scorer) unless Buch is out for a while. Lots of Wobbly legs out there right now. Hang on boys!

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:58 pm EST

They got cap room for him - farm him back down if/when injuries are gone.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:57 pm EST

Glass is too expensive for spreading of the fishboy

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:55 pm EST

Raanta is playing some brilliant hockey this period.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:54 pm EST

Strong game again from Raanta.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:48 pm EST

Back 2 back with travel. New York Rangers just wanna nurse this one out. Edmonton is pushing the pace but the New York Rangers are still taking the shooting lanes away. Clock is counting down.

E


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:45 pm EST

The NYR are outta gas.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:41 pm EST

stevie: I guess AV is liking how his first 6 d-men are playing. If B and K are out for Vancouver, who gets the call from the hapless Pack? Tanner Glass??

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:38 pm EST

Rf4l in a back to back game it's fairly senseless even though he was going to be scratched. Why not use him? Guess he's taking Big Mac 's spot in ass vipe's heart... lol

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:37 pm EST

I like Lindberg's game tonight. Seems poised offensively and doesn't hesitate to hit, unlike most of his forward teammates.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:34 pm EST

Rhet: Hope so - constant losing is not an environment to grow players.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:31 pm EST

I think we'll see the Pack be better (they can't get much worse). A lot of upheaval on that team from last season.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:30 pm EST

So apparently Clendenning is dressed but AV being AV and refusing to use him. Even for a minute. LOL....how's that for a vote of confidence from your coach?!?

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:27 pm EST

The Pack with a lost weekend - gawd, they suck.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:21 pm EST

I sure hope the Grabner scoring binge isn't indicative of the Ranger season. I say that because it seems logical he'll come back down to earth soon enough. Will the Rangers??

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:13 pm EST

Stevie... It's the other way around. The people forced to eat Papa John's are crying "mercy."

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:11 pm EST

Papa JOHN is crying mercy

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:08 pm EST

Impressed with Holden's defensive positioning. His game is simple but effective.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:01 pm EST

That's grabher's #10 he's in 2 Nd place in NHL goal scorers

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:59 pm EST

Grabz!

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:59 pm EST

And Grabner....this is ridiculous!

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:59 pm EST

Grabher again the guy is on fire

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:59 pm EST

GRABNER IS TGO!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:59 pm EST

Trade: Yep, that's the AV way!

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:57 pm EST

Rangers have 5 Dale Rofles on the ice at all time

TradeStar28


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:51 pm EST

You're right stevie. Drives me nuts. Oh well...

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:49 pm EST

Rf ass vipe doesn't care how physically the nyr are abused . He doesn't feel a thing...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:46 pm EST

Moof mad dogs and Englishmen ....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:45 pm EST

Gawd, this is where McI would be fabulous - Neanderthal man and Kassiprick being nobs...

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:45 pm EST

Why not play Clem professor?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:45 pm EST

2 open nets by the Oilers this period - both missed.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:43 pm EST

Phuck off you neanderthal prickjob...

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:39 pm EST

Rhet....his neck spasms have probably returned.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:38 pm EST

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Kreider is out of tonight's game with an upper body injury.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:36 pm EST

Geesh, Stepan is bugging me....

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:30 pm EST

Leon Russell, Hit Maker and Musicians' Musician, Dies at 74 (RIP)

mf


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:20 pm EST

Should be 3-1 but it's not, it's 2-1 end of the first

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:12 pm EST

Buekbitch back spasms again.... they might call up boo instead of 7 d like tonight

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:05 pm EST

Thanks Rhet. What about kreider

KIS


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:05 pm EST

GIRARDI puts NYR up 2-0!

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:05 pm EST

Ny hockeytrotters

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:02 pm EST

Buchnevich a late scratch, #NYR dressed 11 F and 7 D

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 13 2016 9:56 pm EST

Are Buch and kreider playing tonight? Just got home and turned on the game. Who is sitting on D. I heard them say5and clendenning are playing

KIS


Sun Nov 13 2016 9:43 pm EST

Grabher tgo

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 8:34 pm EST

Scheidw the NHL would be all over the nyr if they were hiding a concussion. They took antti out and cost the nyr the game worried about that. Antti is in tonight and I assume cheesy. Not sure why girardi is in both professor ass vipe makes those decisions. With that 3 piece suit all he was missin was a pipe and a monocle.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 8:23 pm EST

KREIDER_ I know the NYRs claimed neck spasms... I am hoping they are not hiding a concussion!

schneidw


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:52 pm EST

E - Letang put a two-hander into Stalberg's mouth last spring, unpunished by the refs, the Rangers and the league. That was it for snarl. Brassard was dead to me once he hugged(!) Letang in the handshake line.

LeoS


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:00 pm EST

Man...Not sure how you could watch last night's game and say it was a snoozer. Maybe if you're a Flames fan...Rangers were/are playing TIGHT. This team has the goods. And we're seeing a very special player start to ignite: BUCHNEVICH. Could be the best Ranger rookie since fellow Russian KOVALEV...four goals...all of the pretty...The one he potted last night was a thing of beauty...you guys have been chowing a little too hard on your 'member berries. Sure, it was great when there was snarl to all the games...and at least one fight...but man, this is high octane hockey...million miles an hour...touch passes...plays unfolding in mili-seconds. And you want to go back to the trap?!? The 2000-era Devils?!?! F-that. This is the most exciting professional sport and the Rangers are playing it at the top of their game...Some rivalries are gonna go to the wayside...certainly, Rangers-Bruins ain't what it used to be...but that's more because the Bruins flat-out suck...Rangers-Pens is gonna be intense...and if you need a reason to hate the Penguins, then you haven't been watching them or listening to their shitbag fair-weather fans...or watching Crysby's fat f'ing mouth flapping enough hot air to float the goddamn Good Year blimp.

tdchi


Sun Nov 13 2016 5:26 pm EST

E - I wish I could even mustrer up those conflicted feelings...I mostly watch now out of habit and hope that something of interest will break out..For how long, I don't know..But yeah, at least they are the more skilled team right now

Hospo


Sun Nov 13 2016 4:11 pm EST

Five players take part in #NYR morning skate. Both @HLundqvist30 and @ARaanta31, as well as Lindberg, Clendening and Jooris (non contact).Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 2h2 hours ago Steve Zipay Retweeted New York Rangers So apparently D and forwards stay the same vs Oilers

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 2:42 pm EST

football is having problems with parity and boredom too...f em ...pc sports suck....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 2:14 pm EST

If it's gotta be pussy hockey at least it's nice to know that the New York Rangers are better at it then everyone else right now. However, I do think the New York Rangers can punch back if it gets nasty. But what's nasty in today's NHL? Want to tough it up and watch a team like Montreal Canadians tattoo you for 10-goals like Columbus did? Because that's what will happen. I watched the rough and tumble Ducks try to take it to SJ. And in the process if not for Gibson the Ducks would've been run out of the building as the Sharks rained pucks from everywhere and the Ducks almost never had the puck and when they did it was low% shots from the outside. This is the game. We all know it, we may wish it wasn't but it is. And as long as it is, I still love the skill of the game, but I still feel like something is missing. I no longer hate anybody. Even the rivals seem like the volume turned down. The New York Rangers vs. Boston was once must-see TV. Now? The only team I really want a piece of is Pittsburgh. And not because of anything they really did. Not because of any BS Crosby caused. I just want the New York Rangers to beat them. That's it... I want to see Crosby mauled. But I know it won't happen. And I know that even Crosby has matured to the point that he is not the full on punk he once was. Ahhhh... give me some hockey hatred damn it... I now officially have a love/hate relationship with the entire game. I love speed/skill. I love emotional hockey. I get speed and skill and antiseptic hockey that looks more like an all star game then a war of attrition and willingness to stretch beyond skill and just will themselves to want it more. It's always been what I love most about the game. Seeing these players, just dig deeper and deeper and battle in something epic. That the handshake line was earned with blood, bruises, black eyes. Then the handshake looked so much more epic. I literally watched Pitt run the New York Rangers our of the playoffs and then watched them dominate my adopted team and squash the cup dreams. And I still can't hate them as much as I should need to. Because all they did was win. Beat both teams straight up. No horrible slash, run goaltender, villains, and revenge. Just beat them. Every whistle stop back to the benches. No scrum, no face washes, definitely no fights. Just not what I think makes hockey so much more epic then every other game. Sucks and I still love it. Just not the way I want to love it. End of rant...

E


Sun Nov 13 2016 12:30 pm EST

Treid watchung the game last night..Boring as hell..Only felt like a live game and not a no-contact scrimmage when the Flames got a little testy in the 3rd...Part of it is becasue he Rangers were so much quicker, the oher part is becasue the NHL mstly sucks to watch these days without any physicality any physical aggression....Been saying it for a long, long time...At least BROOKS finally wrote about it,,,god forbid the other bozos write anything other than Parroted Ranger shit...It sucks that the only hope for a passionate game is to hope for Ranger opponents to onbliterate a Ranger and MAYBE get a response...Oh well, is what it is...And, JMWO..

Hospo


Sun Nov 13 2016 12:30 pm EST

Its a breath of fresh air that we are giving this team a chance to flourish. The kids and new players on this team will develop chemistry and jell with confidence. Years past if they did not perform in2/4 games they were benched or sent back Hartford

rangerlou


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:58 am EST

KIS, -- Love those lines, you nailed it. Until i see that exact lineup Vigneault is still just an Ass Vipe!!

hipcheck


Sun Nov 13 2016 11:03 am EST

Sometimes, "if it ain't broken, don't mess with it" is the best approach." Outside of line & Defensive pairing bingo, perhaps it's best to just let the roster gel.... If a no brainer of a trade presents itself, sure, we're listening........

mf


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:29 am EST

KIS: Imagine if the Rangers had a true offensive defenseman?

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:28 am EST

Sam Gagner with 2 goals for the BJs, giving him 6 for the season now.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:25 am EST

I think the ranger lines still are not configured correctly. I think once they get them correct this team will even be tougher. as I said many times, even though Zucc is a great player, he really is the odd player out. If this team wants to be excellent, The players can't get hung up on who is in the top 6, top 9. They all need to look at just being a team. AV will just rotate the lines. I would love to see zucc with Pirr. Zucc could set up petri constantly. Imagine a 5th line player with 20 goals.. Lines should be Nash-Step-VC, Kreider- Z - Buch 9 that was a very dominating line when together) Miller- Hayes- Grabner, Fast- Pirri- Zucc. I wouldn't mind switching Fast and Grabner. Can you imagine Zucc sending Grabner free and grabner opening space for Pirri because of his speed. Team still can become better.

KIS


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:21 am EST

Good lord, my Corrodo post reads like a Hospo post!!

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:13 am EST

BTW, what's with Torts' BJs? 8 4 winners over the Blues last night! I haven't seen them play - are these goals legitimate? It'll be an interesting game when the Rangers roll in at the end of this road trip if that's the case.

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:08 am EST

who = that

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 10:08 am EST

FWIW, part way down this article is an audio clip about Frank Corrodo, a Leaf d-man who is continually pressboxed, ala McI. Elliotte Friedman laments who this ridiculous is ruining Corrodo's career, which is so try. I think AV's mistreatment of McI has negatively impacted the kid's career. Interestingly enough, Corrodo played last night against the Pens - wonder if the press pressure got to Babcock.http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-penguins-takeaways-toronto-still-no-match-leagues-best/

RF4L


Sun Nov 13 2016 9:37 am EST

Just another streaming site for anyone who may need,http://www.fromhots.com/, used it last nite, worked well

pa.rangersfan


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:41 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/what-the-nhl-will-miss-when-all-the-hits-are-gone/

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:39 am EST

“I still go back to the condensed schedule, the number of games we have to play — we have to spread out the minutes,” Vigneault said. “That’s what we’re trying to do up front, that’s what we’re trying to do on the backend. Our top pair is usually the one with Ryan, and the other two, I usually have a lot of confidence in. So I don’t see that changing right now.”

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:36 am EST

Rhet seems like some fans wear tinfoil hats.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:34 am EST

Tax tac

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:33 am EST

The cross ice and tic tax toe passes are the keys to getting more goals ....the finally have 4 lines that can score almost no matter who is on them. Now the key for professor ass vipe is to keep guys together who have real chemistry between them. If they keep scoring 3 or more their odds of winning games are high. When they are dizzy to watch their opponents get lost trying to follow the puck especially the goalies.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 7:24 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/90-years-of-rangers-beginning-countdown-of-90-best-blueshirts-ever/

stevielegs


Sun Nov 13 2016 5:38 am EST

Rhet: Teams have been doing the hard hat thing for years before the Broadway Hat started. The Flames had a hard hat, but for the last 5 seasons or so have had a fire helmet. The Rangers are hardly original in the hat for the teams "MVP" from the game.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 13 2016 12:38 am EST

1 GA, very good. I'm happy and that's all that matters... ha

mf


Sun Nov 13 2016 12:34 am EST

Nice win. A bit of a push by the Flames in the third (where was that hustle and fore-check in the first 40?), but game was out of reach. Grabner could of had 3 in this one. Solid game for Lundqvist.

NYStranger


Sun Nov 13 2016 12:32 am EST

Rangers win 4-1

rangerlou


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:56 pm EST

Grabher 8 vc 7 buchbitch 4 new blood scoring

stevielegs


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:43 pm EST

Gotta say the quick-strike nature of this team right is very impressive. So different from last year.

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:33 pm EST

Professor ass vipe playing checkers

stevielegs


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:33 pm EST

BTW, Kreider is on the cusp of being Kreider IMO. Invisible again.

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:32 pm EST

Rhet...what idiots ripped the Rangers for that pic? I mean what 3rd rounder isn't a stretch...really?

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:31 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL. ......Buuuuuuucccchhhhhhhhhh. 4-0 Rangers

rangerlou


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:30 pm EST

Bucherella 4-0

stevielegs


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:30 pm EST

Buch is the real deal. Thank goodness Gorther didn't trade him away...

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:30 pm EST

Nope 4-0 now!

NYStranger


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:30 pm EST

Wow, this NYR team is unreal. Grabner, Stepan, VC and Buch with the goals. 4-0.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 12 2016 11:26 pm EST

3-0 Rangers 2nd period

rangerlou


Sat Nov 12 2016 8:46 pm EST

So many guys were saying Sergey Zborovskiy was either a long shot or a bad pick by the NYR when we drafted him. I wonder how they feel about him now?

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 12 2016 9:46 am EST

Sergey Zborovskiy continues his fine season with the Regina Pats - in 13 games he's an incredible +21, good for 2nd overall in the WHL. He played for the Russian team in their 2 games out west this week and came up with a +2 so there's obviously something to his game this year. He has a goal and 12 points in those 13 games, too. If he's the real deal, nice nab by Gorton - another 3rd round gem. The Rangers should always look to acquire 3rd round picks!

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 9:32 am EST

The Pack, BTW, now tied for 2nd last in the AHL overall.

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 9:21 am EST

Pack with another loss last night and from afar I remain convinced their single biggest problem is between the pipes. Skapski, as we know, was jettisoned to Greensville meaning his stats didn't lie - he was lousy. Halversieve was called up as his replacement and got the start last night. His stats? 19 shots and 5 goals. The Pack put up 31 shots on the opposition - the final score? 5 2 Rochester. I wonder if we'll see Gorton make a minor league goalie trade in the next little while.

RF4L


Sat Nov 12 2016 6:49 am EST

rhet imitation the sincerest form of flattery .....stick raise....at least they didn't wear a fedora....

stevielegs


Sat Nov 12 2016 6:25 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/first-major-road-trip-will-be-true-assessment-of-rangers/

stevielegs


Sat Nov 12 2016 6:24 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/12/where-jimmy-vesey-fits-in-rangers-power-play-shakeup/

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 11:18 pm EST

So, apparently, the Devils have the 'hard hat' which they award to a different player after each victory. Do other NHL teams copy us on everything? I think we should start passing around the 'magic cup' after wins and let teams copy us on that. FYI, I'll let you figure out what type of cup it is (hint: It's not the Stanley).

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 9:03 pm EST

Serviceable Black Ace, the lamest of superheroes.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 5:38 pm EST

Serviceable Black Ace, nothing more...But you need those guys too

Hospo


Fri Nov 11 2016 5:31 pm EST

Would love to get Jooris back. From what I saw I liked. Pretty tenacious hockey player.

E


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:53 pm EST

Rhetoric........thanks..........well I don't know about Neil but you know what they say , that the only things left on earth after the Nuclear Holocost will be cockroaches and Keith Richards .....LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:37 pm EST

Carolina Hurricanes ‏@NHLCanes .... [NEWS] Bickell diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.... https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/bryan-bickell-diagnosed-with-multiple-sclerosis/c-283637026

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:36 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay..... Josh Jooris on trip, in non-contact jersey

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:27 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay .... Same lines, d-pairs as yesterday for NYR in prax in Saddledome

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:17 pm EST

Newfie... Fear not, Neil Young (and Keith Richards) will outlive us all.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:02 pm EST

Rest in peace LEONARD COHEN , rest in peace...............I always feel Canadian when TEAM CANADA plays at any level............but today I feel truly Canadian ..............Geez, what will I feel like when Neil Young passes...............................

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 11 2016 2:45 pm EST

Ranger47: Seems quite logical, doesn't it??

RF4L


Fri Nov 11 2016 2:25 pm EST

I understood after Buch got hurt playing him on the 4th line which resulted in the K-Zib-Zuke/X combination in order to get their "top 9" in some semblance of order. But if Buch is moving up and K and Z are struggling I'd reunite them since they had such great chemistry and results together in the preseason.....they were our best line!

Ranger47


Fri Nov 11 2016 2:24 pm EST

We get nothing from some of the new guys covering the team.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 2:22 pm EST

Stevie..... Exactly, Our info is very limited right now. I was hoping we might get Gross back, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 2:11 pm EST

rhet don't follow those teams ....just the nyr groos half gone, carp gone, not sure who's replacing them ...nydn haven't even checked....i'm left with the nyp and newday.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 2:00 pm EST

This guy is unbelievable... One day we may be asking the question: Henrik who? ....Per Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger .... 13 consecutive KHL wins and a seventh shutout of the season for Shestyorkin. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 1:28 pm EST

The newspaper biz is a brutal biz to be in these days for writers.

Bob


Fri Nov 11 2016 12:19 pm EST

Stevie.... No kidding, but how many Devil's writers have changed? Islanders? Knicks? Nets? Yankees? Meanwhile, 95% of the NYR beat writers have changed.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 12:15 pm EST

rhet many newspapers are in $ trouble thanks to the internet.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 12:12 pm EST

Stevie.... I have brought this up before... What is going on with the NYR beat writers? Yes, newspapers are paring down jobs, but it disproportionately affects out team way more than any of the others. It's just odd.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 11 2016 12:05 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 42m42 minutes ago Greetings from Calgary. NYR prax scheduled for 1:30 pm here. (3:30 pm ET). Updates coming later...

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 12:03 pm EST

so what beat writers cover the nyr now zip and brooks ?

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 11:29 am EST

the person changing the lines is ass vipe, not wallsters....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 11:28 am EST

TD: Revisionist history dude - you were emphatic that McI would be in the top 6.

RF4L


Fri Nov 11 2016 11:15 am EST

TDCHI - for how AV wanted to play, Mcilrath was defeinetley a square peg in a round hole and could not play the AV game as well as the others you mentioned..So, yeah, he was beaten out...But the Rangers screwed up and should have gotten rid of him long before this...Oh well, bridge under water...He will fit better in another system..not all systems, but some...

Hospo


Fri Nov 11 2016 11:06 am EST

RF4L - I said a top six position was McILRATH's to lose. And guess what? He lost it. Outplayed by both HOLDEN and CLENDENING. Only guy in the top seven who you could argue played worse than McI was SKJEI...and come to find out the guy was sick for the first week of camp. So...I guess your point is that when guys don't play well they get the McI treatment?! Makes sense if you ask me. We'll see what he does with the Panthers...but this idea he was somehow wronged by the Rangers is...well...wrong.

tdchi


Fri Nov 11 2016 11:02 am EST

TD: The KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH line started the season together as well until BUCH got hurt. And they were dominant in those first few games.

Vic


Fri Nov 11 2016 10:47 am EST

The only thing LINDBERG deserves right now is to sit on his ass!..Wasn't good when he was in and the current 4th liners have been playing foari to good....He'l get his time soon enoough, especially if we lose one or two over the weekend, and that will be his chance to show he deserves to be in the lineup---No big deal..no "treatment"..........As far as SKJEI to the right side with STAAL, that was the move (alon with HOLDEN as 3rd pair LHS d-man) Ithat I thought made the most sense way back in AUZG-SEP....It's pressure on the kid, but i think he can handle it....The problem i have with the NEW D-pairs is Dan GIRARDI as a first pair D-man..He hasn't been bad this year, but don'tthink he has the chops...I's switch him and KLEIN....But , we'll see....IFFFF Girardi can miracuolously go back to two years ago, then we have three solid if not spectacular pairs

Hospo


Fri Nov 11 2016 10:42 am EST

BTW, I'd swap Lindberg with Vesey. Vesey's been terrible for the last few games. Let him watch from the pressbox for a game.

RF4L


Fri Nov 11 2016 10:40 am EST

TD: McI sucks - you told us that over and over again. Oh wait, you predicted he'd be in the Rangers starting 6 all summer long...

RF4L


Fri Nov 11 2016 9:46 am EST

RF4L - Who do you take out to get LINDBERG in the lineup? PIRRI? Nah...he's played good...BUCHNEVICH? Scoring a point per game...FAST? Played great and is an integral piece of the PK now...GRABNER? MILLER? Lindberg is the victim of circumstance. He probably would have started the year on fourth line...at the very least, swapping in for Pirri and Fast every other game...but would you make that swap now? I sure wouldn't...and I take interest in the term 'the McILRATH treatment'...Funny thing: Gallant is now giving the McIlrath treatment with the Panthers...scratched his first game.

tdchi


Fri Nov 11 2016 9:40 am EST

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the KREIDER-ZIBANEJAD-BUCHNEVICH line has been together since pre-season. And given the play of Kreider and Z, I kind of understand why: Neither has been gangbusters in the defensive department. Couldn't hurt to reunite them...but let's back up for a second: Why? It's not like the Rangers are on a losing streak...And while their last couple games haven't been great, the Rangers are still playing pretty damn good. BUCH has exploded offensively with fourth line(!!!)...GRABNER has exploded offensively with third line(!!!)...why would you rejigger your lines? Why would you change anything? As for the Brooksie article...the guy is a troll. I frankly don't know why Rangers talk to him...or for that matter, let that little shit in their locker room. Read Kreider's quotes...the guy acknowledges he hasn't been good defensively...says he'd like to work through his issues...that's it. Truth is, Kreider skated 20 shifts Tuesday...and it's not like his ice time was radically altered against the Canucks...He might have been benched for a couple shifts...but it's not like he was plastered to the bench. Ditto with VESEY...Look, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rangers dip from their current torrid pace...and if there's cause for alarm, I'd say it's that half their losses have game against vastly inferior opponents...which suggest they may come into these games a little too cocky...But if I were AV, I don't think I'd alter much...he's smart to rest GIRARDI...and he's been doing what many here didn't think he'd do, which is start RAANTA fairly regularly...So I'm a little confused as to why the AV lynch mob is already firing up the torches.

tdchi


Fri Nov 11 2016 9:36 am EST

That sportswriting profession is a brutal place to be these days.

Bob


Fri Nov 11 2016 9:06 am EST

Vic: Lindberg is getting the McI treatment.

RF4L


Fri Nov 11 2016 9:03 am EST

So, SKJEI is moving to the right side and HOLDEN back to the left. We talked about SKJEI on the right side in the off season. Lets see if that gives them a better look with SKJEI on his off side and HOLDEN on his natural side. There is some risk to doing this now as SKJEI was playing pretty well and HOLDEN was "hold'in" his own on the right side. I'm surprised LINDBERG isn't getting a chance to play a few games after the way they played the last few.

Vic


Fri Nov 11 2016 5:54 am EST

Step, Vic,Rf4l et al ... in others words I agree with you... ass vipe is his own worst enemy...

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 4:42 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏@RickCarpiniello 10h10 hours ago Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Jesse Spector 📎 Sorry to hear, Jesse. Good luck.Rick Carpiniello added, Jesse Spector 📎 @jessespector After five years, my time at Sporting News is over. Thanks to everyone I worked with for making it wonderful, and all of you for reading. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Reply

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 4:40 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 16h16 hours ago Steve Zipay Retweeted Fixxser Or, as my old pal Torts (haha) used to say: 'You're overthinking'

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 4:01 am EST

Half of nosendick has spoken...http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/sam-rosen-on-why-jimmy-vesey-has-handled-jump-to-nhl-so-well/

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:49 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/rangers-reveal-why-they-are-shuffling-their-best-defenseman/

stevielegs


Fri Nov 11 2016 3:46 am EST

Ass vipe doesn't want anyone to question his authority. He seems to be a narcissist. Whatever his character flaws are , they are why he chokes in the playoffs. Unless fishboy pulls rank this coach will be pigheaded to a fault. He gets his back up , and pride and ego take over impersonating confidence and knowledge. It's his downfall, he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. By the end of December he will need to go as he proves he follows this pattern and can't get out or beyond it.

stevielegs


Thu Nov 10 2016 11:24 pm EST

RF4L: LOL! Yeah, you summed up my post in less words and more accurately.

Vic


Thu Nov 10 2016 11:19 pm EST

Vic: It's because he's an ass.

RF4L


Thu Nov 10 2016 11:10 pm EST

STEP: Now you have hit upon my biggest issue with AV. AV hasn't reunited that line (IMHO) because the media and fans were clamoring for it and asking about it even before they got healthy. We saw this last year with his decisions and yes, McILRATH was a part of that. I am convinced that when the media beats on him about something he resists or refuses to do it. I don't know if it is out of pride, spite or if it comes from some other motivation. I know some of you will think I'm crazy but it has happened enough now where I really believe there is something to it.

Vic


Thu Nov 10 2016 9:58 pm EST

Has AV even tried putting the Kreids-Z-Buch line back together since they have both gotten healthy ? Why does this guy refuse to stick to things that are successful ?

stepunmytoe


Thu Nov 10 2016 7:34 pm EST

RF: way drunk. Wonder what I was trying to say? Think I was trying to be humorous about something. I think I was being snarky because everyone is always on about a wall on the Mexican border but no one ever talks about getting rid of those pesky Canadians, with their Tim Hortons and poutine. But anywho, that's politics and I'd prefer to keep that off the wall. It is kinda funny to read things you write when you're drunk and the iPad has spell check.

E


Thu Nov 10 2016 6:07 pm EST

STEVIE - AV definitely has certain players that he likes to punish/bench more than others that deserve it just as much..One of his weaknesses in my eyes..But overall, he's been doing a good job...so far.....Brooks using the moniker KID K which I Have used for quite awhile.....Hmm, can't remember if I got it from him or visa versa...!!!

Hospo


Thu Nov 10 2016 5:56 pm EST

Line generator up and running....http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chris-kreider-miffed-at-rangers-coach-over-quick-benchings/

stevielegs


Thu Nov 10 2016 12:53 pm EST

Very interesting. Some good company the Rangers are keeping in Week 5. And this came out after the Canucks game.: http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-power-rankings-2016-17-consensus-week-5/2016/11/09/

tdchi


Thu Nov 10 2016 12:41 pm EST

We played pretty much the same against the Jets as we did against the Nucks.. too many TO's, poor puck management.. and sloppy play through the d zone and neutral zone.. The Nucks were hungrier coming off 4 straight loses .. hardly the end of the world

sjw


Thu Nov 10 2016 8:52 am EST

Interesting article on the Rangers good early start (I think it was written prior to the Canuck game - lol): http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/whats-behind-rangers-surprisingly-exciting-style-play/

RF4L


Thu Nov 10 2016 8:29 am EST

I agree with the sentiment that this road trip will give us a better understanding of what this team is really all about. I also find it interesting that AV seems less willing to sit on his hands this year (re pressboxing G and benching K). I am hoping it's because he realizes he was too lenient last year with this club and their many uninspired efforts. Let's see how the team responds.......

RF4L


Thu Nov 10 2016 5:52 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-face-first-lengthy-road-test-of-season-1.12594109

stevielegs


Thu Nov 10 2016 5:51 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/rangers-gearing-for-west-coast-trip-after-crushing-reality-check/

stevielegs


Thu Nov 10 2016 5:17 am EST

Dylan McIlrath ‏@dylan_mcilrath 1d1 day ago I want to thank the fans, coaches and especially my teammates for an amazing 6 years! Made memories that will last a life time.

stevielegs


Thu Nov 10 2016 4:24 am EST

"As presently written, league rules do not allow substitute goaltenders to get a warm-up. There are no exceptions for injuries, and a good thing too, given the eternal gamesmanship of coaches. But when the league orders a goaltender to leave, perhaps the rule should be amended to allow a warm-up in that situation."

stevielegs


Wed Nov 9 2016 11:42 pm EST

Eric Lear ‏@BHTVeric ...... Artem Anisimov is day-to-day with an upper-body injury. #Blackhawks

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 10:45 pm EST

Very happy for McIlrath....hope they give him a shot. He was done here.

MelvilleFred


Wed Nov 9 2016 10:26 pm EST

E: Have you been drinking??

RF4L


Wed Nov 9 2016 10:16 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay ...... Rangers have some challenges on cusp of first long road trip of season.... http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-face-first-lengthy-road-test-of-season-1.12594109

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:57 pm EST

Blue Chip, Blue Chip, Blue Chip.... Per Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger .... Igor Shestyorkin stops 31 of 33 SOG for a 12th consecutive KHL win. Came up big in a tight one-goal game on the road. #NYR.... Shestyorkin has now gone two months without a regulation loss for club or country. 15-1-1 on the season w/ a KHL-best six shutouts. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:27 pm EST

Friggin Canadians man. Curling and criticism. Bunch of pouting eating Tim Horton loving pinebacks. (Which of course is a joke in poor taste.) did anyone here? The New York Rangers are scouting this relatively unknown Ivy Leaguer named Jessiman. Supposedly a late bloomer but the upside?

E


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:37 pm EST

Rhet - Understood. Moving on.

tdchi


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:34 pm EST

Re: McILRATH - Said it a while ago and I'll say it again: His value never got any higher than draft day. Even then, it wasn't that high, because the Rangers picked a kid most scouts had listed in the 20s...If there was ever a time when the Rangers were going to get a first rounder for him, immediately after the draft was pretty much when they'd get it...once he sustained that first injury...and it was a BAD one...his stock dropped pretty significantly...they might have been able to get a third or fourth rounder for him last season, after he showed he could play in the NHL...but after his camp? Nope. I've like McIlrath ever since he joined Hartford. He's an easy guy to like from a fan's perspective. Guy who hits with a vengeance...sticks up for his teammates and is absolutely not afraid of anyone...And I think Mac has some untapped potential...the kid has a real nice shot, albeit not very accurate...but truth is, he started his career with two strikes just by virtue of the injuries he sustained...Had it not been for one or both(a second in Hartford that caused him to miss like 20-plus games), he might have developed faster...and had he hit the Rangers when Tortorella was coach...well...I think he would have solidified himself in the lineup...even if he had been ready for a call-up before the BOYLE signing...he might have gotten himself a good long look...but after Boyle got brought on board, there simply was no way he was going to crack the lineup...and then after the shitbag Pens won the cup...and the Rangers were vocal about 'wanting to take the team in a different direction'...well...that was it. I half-hoped he'd come into camp and blow everyone out of the water...but he simply didn't...this is a new slate for him...he's going to be Florida's 7th defenseman...and there's a chance, either by injury or poor play, that he'll end up as the fifth or sixth defender...I hope he does make it...I hope he does get 40-plus games in...and yes, I hope he does prove the Rangers and AV wrong...will he though? I'm not so sure about that...I think pendulum of McIrath's career isn't swinging in the right direction...and if it were, he wouldn't have made it through waivers...truth is, there's only one team right now that sees him as a viable seventh defender...and that's the Panthers. Like it or not, it's the reality of the situation.

tdchi


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:22 pm EST

Hospo - I dig it. And last night, I could kind of understand. But now that's over. Time to move on.

tdchi


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:21 pm EST

TD... You do realize that your post about politics right now was the most DRAMA-filled one all day. Seriously, why bring up something that you don't want to talk about only to prolong it? That's not helping.... I mean, I did call VIC a tree-hugging Hippie, but he got that I was kidding. If it makes you feel any better I can call you a snow-back Pinko..

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:20 pm EST

Count me as not even remotely worried about this stumble...A little surprised to already see the doom and gloom arising. I would agree the Rangers have been playing above their level during this stretch...definitely well beyond expectations...but yesterday's loss...excluding the league influence that directly lead to it...was a factor of two things: FIRST and foremost, the most dangerous type of animal is the wounded one that is backed into a corner...and the Canucks were indeed that animal...this was/is a team in free-fall...they didn't put together a very good team to begin with...and nine loses? Well, they were clearly playing with desperation...and after the first period, they cranked up that desperation in a major way...talk about a team playing like it's the cup final...SECOND, the Rangers looked like a team that has played A LOT of hockey over the past couple weeks...and they have...you can't play that tempo of hockey every other day and not expect to have an occasional game like this...this is an unfortunate part of the design...and yet still, there were long stretches of that game where they controlled the play...dare I even say that last night's game, had it occurred last season, probably would have been one of their better showings...So now they get a four-day rest...and if they come back looking disorganized...then that's the time to start wondering whether the first 14 games of the season were an aberration.

tdchi


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:03 pm EST

Boo hoo

stevielegs


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:01 pm EST

TDCHI - Honestly, I think we did a pretty damn good job of staying away form the political crap of such a big event...Sometimes you just want to get something out--to friends (even if cyber)....for the most part we restrained ourselves...Kinda like the Rangers under AV...:)

Hospo


Wed Nov 9 2016 6:01 pm EST

Re: The Canucks game...They didn't look sharp and certainly didn't deserve to win that game...but TOTALLY agree with the sentiment that the League and its stupid rules cost us that one...You can't put a goalie in after he's been sitting for nearly two hours and without a warmup and expect him to be sharp. Not sure if anyone caught it, but shortly after RAANTA went down, I believe it was Ramsey who went over to Hank, tapped him on the shoulder and Hank tossed his head back with a laugh that said 'yeah right...' In retrospect, Ramsey was probably telling him that someone from the League office was probably going to call and that he should get his game face on...I understand why the rule exists...but man, when it ain't the team's decision to take the tender out...and it's the LEAGUE'S decision, you've got to let that team warm up their goalie. Hank was a sitting duck. There was no tender that would have come into that game cold and performed better...That's like showing up to an Olympic sprint 10 seconds before the gun goes off...We're lucky Hank didn't get injured. Very irresponsible on the League's behalf...to check one player for an injury and let another exponentially increase his chances of sustaining one.

tdchi


Wed Nov 9 2016 5:53 pm EST

I'm beyond sick of politics. Didn't like either candidate. Hated the fact that I just endured TWO YEARS of campaigning..TWO...FUCKING...YEARS...And I come here to read and discuss the NEW YORK RANGERS and WTF do I read? More politics?!? Seriously people. USE THE OTHER FUCKING WALL. Or go pound Twitter. Or Facebook. Or any one of the multitude of forums online that cater to politics. Anything but here. Seriously. Please. This is a RANGER site. Not Trump or Clinton Fan Central. Look at the goddamn name at the top of the site just in case you're confused.

tdchi


Wed Nov 9 2016 5:02 pm EST

RF4L _ I can easily see Mcilrath beating one of the two or three scrubs the Panthers have in the top 6 right now...They lost a big hitter im Gundbranson, perhaps he can give some of that back

Hospo


Wed Nov 9 2016 5:00 pm EST

I hope big mac becomes a regular with the panthers as yandle's partner. the kid deserves a break, even though he really didn't understand and come prepared to play the game ass vipe wanted...... and fishboy probably knew the kid had little chance with his coach, so he overloaded signing d men.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 9 2016 4:41 pm EST

I have to agree with TD, this trade was made purely to give McIlrath a chance elsewhere. I hope if he does make on to the every day roster of an NHL team, it's with the Panthers. I'd really hate to see him end up with the Flyers. That would be my biggest fear ....RF4L... McIlrath is their 7th D to replace. Kampfert.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 4:30 pm EST

I could see it in the beginning 5 min. I told Pafan the rangers didn't look good. Not into it mentally. their effort wasn't good. Do you people notice the teams the Rangers have lost to this year so far. all teams that are at the bottom of the league and teams that try to slow the game down. they drop and clog space in the neutral zone and stay high up on the blue line. Also there is such a love for Zucc ( he does many things well ) but many times he slows the game down. He can't hold the puck all the time especially when on the ice with Kreider. Put Buch back up ion that line. Thing about AV this year I don't think he looks at line 1 line 2 line3. whatever line is gin that is who he plays. Now I think if you put zucc with Pirri, pirri will score a tone of goals. there Zcc can hold the puck and let Pirri find the open space to shoot and score. Yet people will be stupid and say you can't put zucc on the 4th line. The team will be fine.

KIS


Wed Nov 9 2016 2:16 pm EST

Rhet0ric: AV has chosen his words carefully when speaking to the media. I would think part of his "didnt deserve to win" message to the press was also to the team. He may not like some of the efforts he has seen or something, and going public with something he has likely spoken about in the room is a way of upping the impact of said message.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 9 2016 1:28 pm EST

Dunno if this has any meaning but the sportsnet.ca website has McI listed on the Panther roster...

RF4L


Wed Nov 9 2016 11:24 am EST

SCHNEIDW - My problem is that instead of Kampfer we couldn't have got somebody like Kostka instead? we had both..

Hospo


Wed Nov 9 2016 11:20 am EST

Now Hillary can divorce Bill from the fake marriage. Sorry Hillary staying married to Bill did not get you to the white house. N o more sex for Bill in the Oval baahahahahahhahahahahaha

vcp1994


Wed Nov 9 2016 11:20 am EST

BOB - "I think there are 2 things at work here. 1. Coaches reacting to the Rangers style and tactics and 2. Rangers playing poorly despite winning the past week or so."..Bingo..hey have played a lot of hockey...and a long raod trip was looming....But still, haven't played well for 2.5 games...There aren't many teasm that can skate with the Rangers so the way to beat them is the way teams like CAR BOS and VAN have played....They will have to get used to it..becasue that is the recipe (Games agasint Pitt and Edmonton, etc, will be outliers).And Find ways to to also grind out goals if needed......And also not get frustrated and start making mistake...which they have been the past few games.

Hospo


Wed Nov 9 2016 10:51 am EST

McIrath: I understand his trade value has greatly diminished but at the same time.. .FLA was anxious to pair him with Yandle... nice complimentary pairing last year and something I thought AV should have explored further.. anyways, why not a 2018 3rd round pick instead of another 28YO AHL retread??

schneidw


Wed Nov 9 2016 10:41 am EST

RHET: LOL! No, not even close....

Vic


Wed Nov 9 2016 10:00 am EST

I missed the game but Raanta said he was okay. He said it felt nothing like the concussion he suffered last year and that's how he knew he was okay. We didn't play our best hockey, but the League literally cost us a game last night by forcing us to bring in a stone cold Hank into the game. All of a sudden the League cares about it's players? This was a new one on me. I also have to disagree with AV, not deserving to win doesn't mean we still couldn't have won this game. Who cares about deserve? In sports, a win is a win is a win .....VIC.... iI find your post offensive and racist. Hippy tree-hugger.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:32 am EST

As for the Rangers.......there were many ways to interpret the Boston game. It could have been schedule related. It could have been a bad night, etc. I know a lot of people wanted to hold onto the narrative of "see, they won even though they weren't playing their best". When I posted my "urine and cheerios" post the next morning my fear was that we were seeing the end of the streak. I don't know why but in ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CASE a team that is on a winning streak will have that streak come to an end after winning a game or two at the end of that streak where they were outplayed and should have lost but didn't. The same goes for teams on a losing streak. You can see that streak coming to an end when they outplay an opponent or two but come up short. I was afraid after the Boston game that we were seeing those signs. I was more concerned after the Winnipeg game. And sure enough it came to pass last night. Now, the fear is that this turns into a losing streak. Can the Rangers quickly correct this or do they go into a tail spin for a week or two? Hopefully the road trip is coming at the right time and that this team comes together in Western Canada.

Vic


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:24 am EST

If the wheels fall off the Ranger bus that result in AV's firing (the only good thing IMO about those falling wheels) and if McI doesn't get in 41 NHL games, then I can see for sure the possibility of a reunion. To significant ifs, however.

RF4L


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:07 am EST

Back to Hockey.... No one should forget that McIlrath still needs to play 41 games in the NHL or he becomes a Free Agent. I don't think we ever see that 7th Round Draft Pick. My guess is that he becomes a FA at the end of the season. Maybe he and AV are reunited year? :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:05 am EST

Please take all of the political discussion to the other wall. It is way too divisive. Lets let the fact that we are all fans of this team be the uniting thing between us. I promise you that nothing will destroy this place faster then political discussions. As strongly as you feel about it there are others who feel completely opposite then you. They aren't stupid people. They aren't idiots. Their priorities and values are different then yours. That doesn't make them horrible people either. It just means that their life experiences are different from yours. A big part of the reason why politics have become so polarizing is that people have lost respect for each others opinions. There is a pervasive mentality that is being cultivated by certain party leaders that those that disagree with us are "horrible people", immoral, racist, unpatriotic, etc. Differences of opinion are not tolerated. We have to demonize those who disagree with us. When you do this 50% of the people are going to feel like the world is coming to an end when the candidate that they supported didn't win. Don';t worry.....it isn't.

Vic


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:03 am EST

RF4L... Add to it that many Bernie supporters (particularly Millennials) wanted her to lose as opposed to Trump winning.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 9:03 am EST

I think there are 2 things at work here. 1. Coaches reacting to the Rangers style and tactics and 2. Rangers playing poorly despite winning the past week or so.

Bob


Wed Nov 9 2016 8:51 am EST

FWIW, I'm worried about our Rangers. I'm worried we're seeing a gradual slippage with an eventual return to the chaos we saw so often last year. The biggest resemblance of last year in the Canuck game? Too many passengers. Only the 4th line was noticeable. Not good. This should be an interesting road trip.

RF4L


Wed Nov 9 2016 8:45 am EST

Weird morning today. IMO, the problem here is that the economy is poor, home ownership is way down, unemployment is high and Mrs. Clinton the only person who could lose to this goofball. She was a terrible candidate. Still in a degree of shock.

Bob


Wed Nov 9 2016 8:26 am EST

Rhet: From outside your borders and knowing Americans fairly well due to working in your country for several years in the past, I cannot help but figure a chunk of Trump's voting came from a massive backlash against the Clintons. Trump's recklessness and inexperience when considering the US is still the most powerful country in the world is a tad disconcerting to say the least.

RF4L


Wed Nov 9 2016 8:24 am EST

Derek Stepan, he of the $6,500,000 contract, is on pace for a whooping 5 goals this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah I realize he's a streak scorer and he'll end up with more, but this is unacceptable for a guy pulling in that kind of cash. I maintain my stance - Gorton should be shopping him and again, not because of the player alone but because of the player and his ridiculous contract.

RF4L


Wed Nov 9 2016 8:13 am EST

Stevie... This is not about Republican vs. Democrat. I only wish Romney or McCain were the winner over this boob. He's an incompetent megalomaniac who doesn't know how to govern and runs everything into the ground.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 7:51 am EST

is that comment smart ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 9 2016 7:51 am EST

It's sad😔

NV94


Wed Nov 9 2016 7:47 am EST

Non-Hockey post: The U.S. is now officially the dumbest country on the face of the planet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 9 2016 5:54 am EST

PJ- Gorton should terminate Vesey's contract with immediate effect in light of last nights performance!! ;) Just kidding.

Ola


Wed Nov 9 2016 3:04 am EST

Yes!

stevielegs


Wed Nov 9 2016 2:38 am EST

McIlrath will b eon the Flyers within a year

jnyr


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:53 pm EST

President Trump???

PJ


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:53 pm EST

No need to panic...Vesey doesn't need to go to Hartford....Give me a break....One game and we are sending people down....AV needs to keep rolling the 4 lines and should not have sat Kreider and Vesey in the third period....Get it going again on the road trip...

PJ


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:04 pm EST

Electoral votes 139 to 107....yikes.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:04 pm EST

Need to put Buch back with zbad and kreider. That line was magic. Since no Buch and the neck spasm kreider is lost. Team didn't work hard tonight. I said to parangerfan they were. Of playing with energy

KIS


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:03 pm EST

Wow...are my American friends gonna vote Trump as the next US president?!?!

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:01 pm EST

VIC - I was partly thinking the same thing about ZIBA..but...I am also wondering if he's similar to Kreider in that he gets down on himslef and makes things more difficult at times which fuels his inconsistency ....we;ll see

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:56 pm EST

F#$% I hit the "start over" button by mistake! Grrr. Anyway, I was going to say: "See what happens when you trade McIlrath?" but that's already been said in some form. Thoroughly disgusted with the entire handling of Mac's career. He'll be back to haunt us by Christmas. This is all on AV. I like pretty much everything that AV has done to correct last years team, but this one hurts. HOSPO is right on, we don't have a gamebreaker physical threat. Not saying Mac could have been that but you don't just throw away a physical asset like that, especially one who has the intangibles and the shot he has. He's the best hitting defensemen in the organization, but I guess that isn't important anymore. TD- was that you who said "Even Pierre said so" in regards to the Mac pick? That douche not liking the pick makes me like it even more! And I think the reason why FLA didn't just claim him is because this gave them the option to send him to the farm for a bit. If they claimed him he has to stay up. That's probably why the trade didn't get worked out and they probably needed to unload a contact. At least would have been nice to get a prospect of some sort, not another D-man who plays like Clendenning.

ColoradoMark


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:48 pm EST

This concussion spotter garbage is dumb. Someone watching on TV in Toronto mandates that Raanta come out without being able to judge symptoms. A cold goalie in and 2 points gone. This is another Gary Bettman innovation. About as successful as hockey in the desert.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:44 pm EST

The most encouraging thing I saw tonight from the Rangers was that there was absolutely no celebration by ZBAD or anyone else after he scored with a minute to go. They knew thew blew a game against a vastly inferior opponent at home.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:43 pm EST

In the big scheme of things, Don't mind this loss at all...Past three games they've just been wainting on and expecting high speed goals...Got outworked by Boston and again tonight..It finally bit them tonight..and they need to take steps against it.in oractice......One thing the Rangers don;t have that msot teams do have, is players that can change the momentum or flow of the game with physical play...everything is based on speed and puck movement...It ,will be a problem in some games like tonight and maybe more later in the season unless the Rangers also learn to grind......But hey, it's been a great start and now they get to go out on the road out west where they seem to get focused..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:38 pm EST

0 and 1 in the Post McILRATH era............................................What? Too soon?

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:32 pm EST

AV is an idiot. A deserved loss on the day AV gets his way and McI jettisoned from the organization. All in all a shitty day in RangerLand.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:31 pm EST

Ass vipe pulls anti with over 3 minutes? Pure genius

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:25 pm EST

Why no warmup for hankie?

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:23 pm EST

Plain and simple, Rangers nt playing smart or tough..and making too many mistakes...

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:23 pm EST

Imagine if the $6,500,000 man, he of a single goal so far, had scored on that perfect set up to make it 3 2?

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:22 pm EST

MCD wrongly stepped up and beaten..Girardi beaten..Steapan with thumb up his ass....

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:21 pm EST

Here we go....cracks started to show 2 games ago. Interesting road trip coming up.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:20 pm EST

Game OVER !!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:17 pm EST

Z is sucking bigtime. Needs some pressboxing. And Vesey might need some Pack time.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:16 pm EST

Brady could have swiped that puck away with his hand!!!!

NV94


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:15 pm EST

That was all on ZIBA...

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:13 pm EST

Miller with 2 brain farts in 30 seconds...WTF?

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:12 pm EST

Stepan was thinking about his big fat paycheque...

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:12 pm EST

Oh oh....can we get that Russian goalie over to NA tonight?!?!

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:11 pm EST

How did STEPAN miss that open net?????

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:10 pm EST

How the efff did Stepan miss that???

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:10 pm EST

Step wide open net and misses!!!

NV94


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:09 pm EST

PP.....not PPTP. Damn auto correct.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:08 pm EST

great look and pass by BUCH....Kid has mad skills...Kudos to NASH for 400

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:07 pm EST

Wow...Buch - what a freakin' pass. Glad to hear Kreider is benched. Well deserved so Buch can get more icetime.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:07 pm EST

See......need HAYES on the PPTP. And a beautiful pass by BUCH.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:07 pm EST

Sonofavich to dick rash

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:06 pm EST

Nice pass by buch!!

NV94


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:02 pm EST

Raantavision. Where 9 game losing streaks come to die.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:02 pm EST

Should be an interesting road trip....

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:00 pm EST

I mean think about who you haven't noticed - it's at least 1/2 the forwards. Stepan is invisible for yet another game I'm watching.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:59 pm EST

Saw some real good fights this past weekedn and two humdingers tonight----Simmonds-Erickson ..and Bass-Neil....Not that we'll see one thsi year with the Rangers, but great to see it's still part of the game..Just a personal opinion

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:58 pm EST

Bob: I think it's more a lack of passion on the Rangers part. If they win this it'll be their 3rd consecutive game where the asinine coach says 'a game you don't question why you won' or something like that.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:57 pm EST

BOB - Yep, the Rangers need to find ways to win these games other then waiting for a breakout ..we'll see.....Don't know if this is excatly how the POs will be played---the Canucks are playing not to lose--but it will be close...

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:54 pm EST

Vancouver is playing a terrific road game. This is how playoff games will be played. The Rangers are going to have to learn to adjust to games like this and be successful or this is what the second half of the season is going to look like.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:36 pm EST

OMG, turnovers galore....

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:35 pm EST

well---there's the PP..gotta take advantage of it..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:33 pm EST

Bob - very true....

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:32 pm EST

Not a great game by the Rangers...but this is how most teams have to try and play the Rangers...suck the life and flow out of the game with trapping..boardwork and interferrence...Rangers have beat it previously with some breakouts and PPs...not so much tonight---yet..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:30 pm EST

Well the Sedins have done that to a lot of teams. Especially teams that have 2 d-men that abandon the front of the goal.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:30 pm EST

Wow..sedin line totally outworked the Rangers 4ht line with grinding,..earned that goal..and yes, boring as hell

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:30 pm EST

4th line got caught out and we're exhausted.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:29 pm EST

Well we knew that was coming. Horrible game by the Rangers. No passion. Much like last year.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:27 pm EST

This is about as exciting as it is to be a republican living in California.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:25 pm EST

One problem with the MZA-Ziba-Kreider line is that Ziba just doesn't seem to play the game like a center...It's often like there's 3 wings out there...Good for cycling andf grinding in the O-zone.but the pcuk movement up and down the ice seems off ..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:20 pm EST

Canucks were smothering the game..and then they give the Rangers an opening and BAMMM! Nice rush and goal by BUCH...Don't know how SJEI gt an assist but loved the way he balsted through the slot and opening things up..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:18 pm EST

Rf ass vipe should not mix up the other lines because of those 3 ...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:16 pm EST

BTW, that Z line needs to be pushed down to 4th line minutes. Kreider since he came back, looks like the Kreider we all know and get frustrated with. Z showing why at his young age, he was deemed expendable. AV needs to shake that line up.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:15 pm EST

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:15 pm EST

Tlats highly probable ... they really like each other

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:15 pm EST

BUUUUUUUUUUUUCH!!!!!!

hipcheck


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:14 pm EST

BUCH!

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:13 pm EST

Buekenbitch

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:09 pm EST

I'm totally disgusted with the MCILRATH situation. Ass Vipe will pay down the road for what he did.

hipcheck


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:03 pm EST

Let's see if the Rangers can pick up the pace in the second. Need to move the puck a little quicker. Vancouver is playing not to lose right now. A goal or two against in this period should pull them out of it.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:59 pm EST

I wonder if Yandle had anything to do with the Mcilrath trade?

tlats


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:58 pm EST

Dis game be a snoozer.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:50 pm EST

Canucks doing the only thingg they can to try and hang with the Ranger..Interfere and tap in the NZ and hope thay get a turnover or two.....Toatal YAWNAGE but that's the only way for slower teams to do it since physicality has been outlawed

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:49 pm EST

now = not

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:48 pm EST

stevie: Yes, good point. It goes back and forth between NosenDick and DickeNose. Either or, it's annoying as hell. I'm not watching the Leaf/LA game via TV with the sound on and the Ranger game is streaming with DickeNose muted.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:35 pm EST

They alternate to dickinose too... ass vipe doesn't like players who show him up by not obeying his authority...whistle to whistle...

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:34 pm EST

What a horrid hockey game so far. Dunno what's worse - the game or NosenDick.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:28 pm EST

stevie: McI's Ranger career was grounded into crap last year.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:28 pm EST

There go NosenDick yapping about nothing thru the actual play. STFU you idiots. IDIOTS. They yipped for nearly a minute of play. Geeesh....

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 7:27 pm EST

Fishboy siding with the coach and Big Mac didn't really come prepared to fight for a job by playing better than he should and maybe could ... good luck to him... I'm sure a few players didn't want to see him traded..:

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:50 pm EST

I can't get over AV doing his best to keep this kid down. AV wins. The Rangers lose.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:45 pm EST

Hospo: The rest of that quote is more telling IMO. Gorton also said: "It didn’t help him that we have a couple of guys who play a more defensive style of game taking those spots.” There's a major key right there. Girardi and Staal (and Holden I'd argue) are all players with his sort of skillset (minus the physicality). McI lost his chance last year when AV refused to play him ahead of a similar player who crapped the bed so many games.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:40 pm EST

I can live with a bust in the first round. It happens. That's hockey. But what I'll never get over is one of these reach players. Mcilrath was a massive reach and way off the board so said Kyle Woodlief and even Pierre was shocked at that move. The writing should've been on the wall.

E


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:09 pm EST

And fully concur - epic asset management 101 failure on the part of the Rangers, starting with those in charge when he was selected, which of course, includes that job-for-life asshole, AV and Gorton who should have moved McI last year. Or forced his narrow minded coach to play him over dregs like G and B.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:04 pm EST

My take? AV treated McI like crap and clearly has no use for him - he actually should be ashamed of how he's contributed to the retardation of a young, eager player's career AFAIC. Even if Gorton recalled McI (if injuries mounted) there's a less than zero reason to believe the coach would give him a fair shake. Yet through all of this, not a single word of protest (that we are aware of) uttered by McI. A class act thru and thru. I think, therefore, Gorton just did the kid a favour - get him into another organization with a less piss-ass coach and see if he can find his NHL legs. I sure hope he does. And OMG wouldn't it be poetic justice to see him pound a bunch of wimp-ass whistle to whistle never retaliate Rangers right in MSG? Right in front the ass-wipe coach? I'd LOVE to see that. Good luck McI!

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:43 pm EST

For me, the problem here is that AV had no use for the kid and he should have been dealt least year, when he still had some value. Terrible asset management for sure. He played 30 games, played well and he should have been dealt to a defense-poor club at that time. maybe you recover something better than a throw away waiverite and a conditional 7th pick.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:43 pm EST

stevielegs -read somewhere they were at 50 contracts prior to the KAMPFER dump. Kampfer will probably never see a Ranger jersey unless there are some epic injuries...But no doubt, if FLA claimed Mack on waivers, they would have to keep him on their roster or risk putting him through waivers again. This way, they can send him wherever and, if I'm not mistaken, they can send him up and down as much as they want over the next month without sending him through waivers...the more I think about the trade, the more it seems like a favor to a kid who was never going to get a shot with the Rangers...why, I don't know...but that seems to be the case.

tdchi


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:39 pm EST

Look, McILRATH was never going to play for the Rangers again unless 3 or 4 guys got hurt at the same time this year. And even then it was a long shot. After this year he would be a UFA and could sign anywhere. Nobody out there wanted to claim him and give him an NHL roster spot when they could have had him for nothing. At least now McILRATH has a chance to play somewhere. My guess is that they send him to their AHL affiliate and he comes back up by mid December after he has had a chance to rebuild his game. Florida gave away nothing to get him and if they play him the 42 games he doesn't become a UFA. Smart on their part. As for the Rangers there was nothing they could do to salvage this situation at this point. It was clear last year that they should have played him or traded him when he still had value. But they didn't.......

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:38 pm EST

Gorton ..."It’s a style of play issue now, we’re more uptempo & that’s not Dylan’s game"....At least Gorton finally said it...he was not going to play here...better then all the gobbledeygook coming from AV

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:31 pm EST

zip could the answer be then they have to keep him on their nhl roster ?

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:29 pm EST

....@stevezipay @drosennhl why didn't FLA just claim Mcilrath last week?.....Dunno. Maybe they needed to dump a contract. I've been trying to reach them for more info

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:28 pm EST

Florida says it is undetermined at the moment whether McIlrath will report to AHL Springfield 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Reply Retweet Like More Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 12m12 minutes ago Gorton: "a little more defensive. Those roles are kinda taken. It’s a style of play issue now, we’re more uptempo & that’s not Dylan’s game"

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:22 pm EST

Though he Pens won with speed last year, they had a few D-men that played pretty gritty and, hockey in general is a different game in March-May then the freewheeling stuff the Rangers are seeing now.....Hope we don;t have to scramble for a physical D-man at the deadline or find out we needed one in April....I would have kept him around just in case....But it's obviuos that AV had ZERO interest in him....

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:17 pm EST

Baffling....Just don't get the handling of this kid and now to give him away....Well at least it is over....I do believe the Rangers will regret this move sooner rather than later....

PJ


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:16 pm EST

Carpinello with another novel and comtroverisal thought!.

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:15 pm EST

teve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 51s52 seconds ago Gorton: "We’re trying to play a little more aggressive and speedy game, it probably doesn’t help Dylan that we’ve some other guys who are.."

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:14 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏@RickCarpiniello 10m10 minutes ago McIlrath was never going to play for this team this season. I thought he should have played more last season. But it was time to move on.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:14 pm EST

really ?.....Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 16m16 minutes ago View translation Kampfer was here July 14 to Oct. 14

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:13 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 2m2 minutes ago Gorton on McIlrath: "He's a great kid, a guy who deserves a chance to play in the league. This is a team that’s been calling me for awhile".Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 2m2 minutes ago More Gorton: "It’s a fresh start for him. We’ve had Kampfer before, we like his speed, his skill level."

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:11 pm EST

Interested to see how MCILRATH does for FLA....The best he played for the Rangers was when he was paored with YANDLE...Thye probably won't be paired, but it could help ease Mcilrath onto the team (and I'm sure Yandle had some decent things to say about Mcilrath)....But after Yandle, Deers and Ekblad, the Panther have little on the back line..a bunch of former top draft round draft picks like Mcilrath that didn't really makes...Hopefully, Mcilrath can crave out a spot as a 6h D-man ther..O'd love to see it....We'll probably see him in about 2 weeks..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:07 pm EST

not that it matters now on spilt milk , but sort of recall gordie clark making a big deal about big mac when they picked him....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 5:02 pm EST

And just one last thing: McI is EXACTLY why you draft the best player on the board and not for organizational need. McI wasn’t even close to the best player at 10. Pin this stupidity squarely on Sather’s head. And give Gorton a kick to the groin for at least not making lemonade out of the lemons he got. Would have been better to keep the kid than to let him go for that pittance.

tdchi


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:57 pm EST

I’ve made it pretty clear I’m a fan of Gorton and the moves he’s made with the team…and in most cases, even the trades that haven’t worked out as planned(the STAAL deal, the HAGELIN deal) I could see the logic. This…I cannot. They just gave this guy away for zilch. Zippo. Sure, he could have been claimed on waivers. But he wasn’t. And they could have promoted him after an injury. Now they get KAMPFER, who, as Hospo so eloquently put it, is the poor man’s CLENDENING. And I think that’s overrating him a bit too. He struggled to get ice with the Panthers, who have a trainwreck of a defense….Sooo…now at least we get to see if AV was really being a douche and stymying McI or if the kid really just doesn’t have the goods. The downside? Yeah, we get nothing for a 10th overall pick. Wasted.

tdchi


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:46 pm EST

yepp..It was ineveitable....horrible drafting and asset management with Mcilrath...Hopefully that won;t happen again....Trade for another Mr. Softy finesse player...a poor man's Adam Clendenning, if that's possible....But, it's the way the Rangers and many teams are going.in this wimped down NHL....I'm glad Mcilrath was traded in the Eastern Conference....Hopefully we see him again in the regular season and the the POs...add something interesting to the mostly boring games...

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:38 pm EST

McIlrath traded for a bag of pucks. Poor pick and terrible handling of this prospect by the Rangers. I hope he does well.

Bob


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:37 pm EST

End of a long, sad chapter in Rangers history. Good luck DYLAN! Well, at least I got that question right in the Texas Pick'em Pool....;-)

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:36 pm EST

another reason to trade picks instead of keeping them

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:32 pm EST

i don't see how it's a disaster of a trade . . . he was on waivers last week and any team could've had him for nothing . . . Kampfer has a lower cap hit and we get back a conditional 7th .. . Mc needs to play 30 games for FLA for NYR to get the pick

Fivehole


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:30 pm EST

Absolutely ridiculous trade. KAMPFER is a bum. Just AHL trash. Not gonna obsess over it. Glad we got a seventh rounder at least...but it's official: That McILRATH pick was one of the worst since JESSIMAN.

tdchi


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:27 pm EST

nyr in fla might be seeing stars and the sun . the big star....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:25 pm EST

Buuhuu, we got nothing for McIlrath... :( Good luck Dylan, oh what could have been! Lets move on.

Ola


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:20 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/rangers-deal-mcilrath-to-panthers-for-kampfer-1.603306

Fivehole


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:19 pm EST

5hole link ?

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:13 pm EST

NYR trade Dylan McIlrath to FLA for Steve Kampfer and conditional 7th round pick. per TSN

Fivehole


Tue Nov 8 2016 4:13 pm EST

Hospo: I watched the Jet game - my first time seeing Creekdenning since pre-season and I didn't come away very impressed. He seems jumpy/scared when a physical confrontation seems imminent. I did see some decent puck handling skills but certainly nothing to get excited about. I think his presence highlights the lack of depth organizationally when it comes to the backline. Thank goodness Sather didn't trade away their first rounder from 2012, too or else Skeji would be playing elsewhere and Creekdenning would be getting a regular shift (with who knows sitting in the pressbox)!

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 3:37 pm EST

RF: for sure, I think they'd lineup IF they made him available. And of course the old statement: if Gretzky can be traded... But while we will never truly know, it's to no owners benefit if players start doing this and getting away with forcing their way out. I mean it's akin to Buchnevich at bridge time saying, "I'm not coming back until you put me on the top line and the lions share of the action. So, if you're not willing to do that then trade me. Call me..." that's craziness. Most owners would likely listen to offers but unless the deal was overwhelming you just sit back and let him make shashlik and salted herring till he breaks.

E


Tue Nov 8 2016 2:23 pm EST

Any reports on how the D-men----particularly Graves and Mcilrath-- are doing in HARTFORD? One injury to MCD, SKJEI, Staal/Klein and we're up the creek with a Clendenning...Hopefully those guys are getting ready like Skjei did last year...

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 2:13 pm EST

E: I don't believe for a 2nd Tampa and/or Winnipeg didn't have suitors for those players. I'm sure there were countless trade talks. What prevented either from being traded IMO was the ridiculous bounty being asked by the GMs. Other GMs, in other words, weren't honouring some unspoken code - they just didn't want to pay the ransom being asked for these players (rightfully so - neither are proven).

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 2:10 pm EST

I'm not sure why the Trouba situation keeps getting compared to the Drouin one. It's similar in the hold-out aspect but one had a contract and balked at being farmed out (Drouin) and the other didn't (and wasn't about to be farmed out). What Drouin did, in other words, was suspendable; what Trouba did is within his CBA rights, whether you agree with his stance or not. Drouin came across far worse IMO than Trouba, although in the mix with the latter is the suspicion that it wasn't about icetime, it was about playing in crappy Winnipeg whereas the Drouin situation clearly was about not wanting to play in the minors.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 2:06 pm EST

TD: Maybe that's true, maybe it's not (stand-off being about $$) - we'll probably never know for sure. And I think you're correct - Turris wanted out of Phoenix and remain steadfast about that desire even after signing.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:59 pm EST

Maybe Trouba didn't have any options and maybe although it was never confirmed like Drouin the owners weren't going to undercut each other. This way they are unified that when a player tries to throw a temper tantrum the management is just going to hold the line on a guy whose only option is not to play. To which their value plummets. I'm sure the players association is fine with all of this though. But the idea that 22-year olds can sit on their hands and throw a temper tantrum when they've done dick in the NHL shouldn't fly. Like Drouin who TB did nothing with other then say, they'd welcome him back when he was ready I'm sure the Jets told him that they understand his concerns and when he was ready he can rejoin his team. And something tells me the owners were unified on this.

E


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:53 pm EST

RF4L - Trouba himself said the issue was never really about money...more about how he didn't feel he was getting an opportunity with the Jets that he deserves...The name Kyle TURRIS keeps coming up in the Trouba discussion because this was precisely the impasse he was at with the Coyotes....and like Trouba, he signed for a very amicable deal...and was dealt less than a month later...But I don't recall Turris ever rescinding his trade request or saying he's all-in for a career in Phoenix the way Trouba is....so it's very possible the Jets simply reached the very rational conclusion that they are a much better team WITH Trouba than without and acknowledged they'd play him more minutes and in a capacity where he can ply his trade...MYERS going down certainly helped that situation. Sigh...only time will tell...but I did bet a friend three overpriced Garden beers and a beer belch in the face that Trouba will be moved before January. By my accounting, I'm on the hook for almost $500...

tdchi


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:40 pm EST

RF4L: Yeah that was my take on the article too. It is clear that he is a stat monger and probably hasn't seen too many Ranger games this year. I would bet that he has ignored the Rangers except for the last few games when they have caught the media's attention with the string of 5 goal games. If so he has really missed the best of the Rangers and only caught their worst games as they completed the 5 games in 8 day stretch. There is no question that the Rangers possession stats had to take a beating in the last two games specifically. But he does recognize that the team is largely being carried by the 3rd and 4th line right now as it piles up win after win. And I don't just mean that offensively. The ZBAD line has been victimized defensively since the year started. If they can shore that up and start producing again it will help a lot. We all know that HAYES isn't going to be putting up close to 2 points a game through the rest of the season. The first and second line need to contribute more at even strength to pick up the slack as the production of the 3rd line inevitably drops off.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:37 pm EST

VIC - No need to explain,....Hell, I disn't't really want Grabner from the start..I wanted to keep Stalberg instead..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:33 pm EST

HOSPO: I will freely admit I was wrong about GRABNER, both from his poor preseason showing and on moving him from the 3rd line. However, in my defense on that last one my point was that they should have put BUCH back with KREIDER and ZBAD. And I still maintain they should. My thought on GRABNER was he had only played one game with HAYES and MILLER (It was the game he had a hat trick in). How much chemistry could they have developed in one game????? Now we know it was certainly a hell of a lot more then I gave them credit for........

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:27 pm EST

TD: Or Trouba on the fast track in terms of rectifying a somewhat tarnished reputation. If so, good for him. Put this silly hold out behind him and get on with his career. At 22 there's plenty of time ahead to make the big bucks.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:25 pm EST

team = time

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:25 pm EST

Vic: Interesting article but I think it's obvious he's stat crunching, not actually watching because he slew-footed Girardi big-time, basing his opinion clearly on what he saw last year, not this year. His overall point is valid then again, it's not rocket science - no time is going to keep scoring goals and winning games at the rate we've seen the Rangers do so indefinitely. Goals will dry up somewhat and loses will come. Something that's key here and the author did touch on it - the team appears to have scoring depth so hopefully, when hot scorers like GHM line drop off, cold scorers, like Z, Stepan and Kreider will pick up balancing out the impact. Think about it - the top 2 centers on this club (Stepan and Z) have but 3 goals between them!

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:22 pm EST

I have a client in Eden Prairie, MN. It's bad during the winter. Especially since I left NJ I have no stomach for it.

E


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:14 pm EST

Well....maybe I'm wrong about TROUBA foreshadowing a trade: "No,I've committed to sign here. When I signed that piece of paper everything changed in my mind"..could be lip service...who knows?

tdchi


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:13 pm EST

E: Winnipeg's weather/climate isn't dissimilar to Minnesota's and nor is the geography much different. I speak a lot of time in Minnesota on business in 2001 and OMG the winters suck but the spring and summer are beautiful.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:12 pm EST

VIC - I don't know, given that your last suggestion was to break up the Grabner-Hayes-Miller line,,I'd be hesitant...Just busting your chops, I know I'm wrong more times then I can count...but..I agree with Hayes on one of the PP units...he's hearned it and is seeing the ice really, really well..

Hospo


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:08 pm EST

A decent read to help keep things in perspective....(https://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-are-the-ny-rangers-actually-this-good-151616639.html)........we all know that the Rangers can't keep up this pace. Enjoy it while it lasts. But hopefully the underlying conditions that have them playing phenomenal hockey right now will continue through the year and allow them to be a contender when it matters.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:07 pm EST

I have a cousin that lives in Winnipeg. Say what they will, but he had a house right on the lake, with a ski boat. There are so many lakes and trees. That said, when my aunt passed we had to go up there the last week of February. That's not an easy place to live during the winter. Flying from SFO, to Chicago, to Manitoba. What a difference 8-hours can make.

E


Tue Nov 8 2016 11:17 am EST

It appears that RAANTA will be in goal tonight. GIRARDI back in for CLENDENNING. Lines are the same in practice. Supposedly they are working on the PP. Personally I think they should put HAYES back on the PP. He wasn't racking up points on the PP but he was making plays with the puck that were leading to goals. a few touches later. Plays that aren't happening now. For example, on one he had the puck in the right circle like he usually does on the PP. The Rangers were standing around. Nobody was moving. So HAYES took the puck down below the goal line and around the net. That shook everything up with both the Rangers moving and the D scrambling to adjust. He moved the puck to STEPAN IIRC, who moved it to the point for a shot. The goal was scored on a rebound or deflection. HAYES didn't get a point but was critical to the goal being scored. There have been other examples too. I've never really liked him on the PK but he seems to hold his own. But given the choice of playing on the PK or PP I would much rather see him on the PP. That is where you get the most time and space to make plays, which is his strength.

Vic


Tue Nov 8 2016 10:37 am EST

rf thanks for proving picks aren't always worth keeping ...lol....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:28 am EST

stevie: The Jets will want way more than 2 so-so prospects...

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:18 am EST

rf4l big mac would be a good student for byfugly , along with boo, fishboy might be able to make a deal....even though i don't want to see them gone...the cliche applies 'you have to give to get '...pay now or pay later....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 9:12 am EST

The bottom line for me is that the Jets had no choice but to take the stance they did with Trouba. I'll bet if you did a survey you'd find Winnipeg number 1 when it comes to teams listed on NTCs and understandably so - it's a small Canadian city with wicked winters. I'm Canadian and I certainly wouldn't want to live there. The Jets, in other words, have a tough time attracting players who have the ability to go elsewhere - giving into a potential top 4 22 year old d-man demands to be moved would only worsen that situation. I suspect, unless Trouba is really miserable and pouty, he's not going anywhere soon. And if he does decide to miserable and pouty, he'd better be looking over his shoulder for Bufashit - it was Bufashit who orchestrated the team pushback on Kane after all.

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:44 am EST

nyr have done similar holdouts, but not this long ? ....sather would trade his ass asap.....and now would be happy to trade for him.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:39 am EST

Wild: Perhaps or it's simply that the Trouba camp finally realized their stance was foolish and would get them nothing but a lost season for the kid. Yes, that would hurt the Jets but Trouba more - and not just losing a crucial year of development but an entire year of wages, which everyone seems to be overlooking. I suspect in the end what he signed for was close to what the Jets were offering all along. Now which team he negotiates with for his next contract is a totally different story....

RF4L


Tue Nov 8 2016 8:13 am EST

I have this feeling that both the Jets and the Trouba camp came together and came to the same conclusion. A contract like the one he signed is the best for both. It drives Trouba's value through the roof, before he was seen as a young player that's till had questions about his ceiling looking for a huge contract, that drove his value down. Now he is a less expensive player and for the next season and this one he will not cost a lot so teams will want to pay more to get him. It also opens up trade possibilities to contenders who are already near the cap. Also while he could have made more, it's hard to feel that 6 million dollars guaranteed over 2 years is anything but amazing money for a 20something kid. Yes more is better, but he never has to work a day in his life again nor do his kids and they can always have a roof over their head and food in their belly. So with this deal both sides will end up winning

Wildcard


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:55 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/jeff-gortons-design-ensures-this-is-not-the-same-old-rangers/

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 6:07 am EST

Rhet since that is the case maybe fishboy helped orchestrate it on Sunday. If so I hope he doesn't do a sather overpay. But the d corp needs help if trouba is an ass vipe type of player.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 8 2016 1:34 am EST

""Resting Girardi last night tells me even the great AV learns from his mistakes....""Resting Girardi two nights ago tells me that the great AV is catching up on his reading and is only 14 months behind on the RFC posts!"" ....

mf


Mon Nov 7 2016 11:04 pm EST

As far as the D goes I believe Klein is not at full strength yet....Holden and Skjei are getting better with each game....The bright side....

PJ


Mon Nov 7 2016 10:20 pm EST

Stevie.... Only a player signed to an offer sheet can't be traded in the first year. The Jets can trade him whenever they want., so a trade could still happen. He's also still in his RFA agent years so he can't have a NTC in his contract.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 7 2016 10:17 pm EST

When our GF's start to taper off, we can counter balance with tighter & stingier defense... Once the offensive production starts to uptick, we can take a few more chances on defense... This is an interesting group of players, and I like what we're seeing.. I'm thinking that removing Ulf and replacing him with Beuk has something to do with the forwards helping out and overall team defense.. (but I'm guessing, I was never a fan of Ulf as a player / Ranger or coach) ..... This has been a very pleasant surprise.... jmhon

mf


Mon Nov 7 2016 10:06 pm EST

FWIW, an interesting article discussing the Trouba signing....http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/cap-comparables-jacob-troubas-bridge-deal-stacks/

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 9:50 pm EST

Well we know this pace cannot continue unabated. Something's gonna give. Question is what that 'give' will consist of. Kinda nerve wracking to ponder, isn't it? LOL...

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 8:01 pm EST

Without a doubt, that is/was a part of it...Just need to regroup over the next 4 days...

Hospo


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:56 pm EST

Something else to consider. Even early in the season, and with that a lot of fans forget these players are human, they just came off 5 games in 8 days. The first thing to go when you get tired is mental sharpness. That COULD account for some of the defensive errors and turnovers and account for some of the lack of crispness passing wise against WPG. They play tomorrow than have 3 days off, that should help a little if that is the case at all.

Wildcard


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:49 pm EST

Artem Anisimov leads the League in points & goals

mf


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:49 pm EST

Rnger47 Whatever the reason, it was a good move,,,,And you are correct a bout the D not looking as sharp the last two game..BUT, the truth is, alot of the blames lies with the forwards..Unlike the first 10 games or so, the forwards turned the puck over more (See MZA) and were much less dilligent on the backcheck and defensive postioning.--more lke last year.....Nothingto panic about, they have been playing well..butthe need to get backto strong team D which fuels the offense....Our defensive pairs are OK to good but need the support

Hospo


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:41 pm EST

Much as I love our style of play I am bit concerned with our porous blue line the last two games - something we generally haven't seen in most games. I thought AV and Beuk would have found a way during the first period (or even second period) intermission to slow opposing forwards down coming through the neutral zone. And, it seemed like we lost a LOT of pucks on the walls to the larger opposing players. But, of course, great to see the wins pile up in entertaining games!

Ranger47


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:36 pm EST

I chose to take a "wait and see attitude" on AV's willingness to rest Girardi for more than just one offhand game given that he needed to get Clendening a game and Girardi's son was playing during the first intermission and it gave G a chance to observe and record it (as he was seen doing on TV) and so, was IMHO given the day off for "personal reasons". Be nice if he rests G occasionally throughout the year, (as well was Staal by shuffling Holden back to the left for a game or two to also give S a rest and keep Clendening sharp) but let's wait and see....

Ranger47


Mon Nov 7 2016 6:28 pm EST

E are those facts 10 games in ? credit no blame, or is that only reserved for the players ? where was ass vipe last year? more like a fickle coach than fans......i'm pretty sure fishboy has read him in.......get ready for the line generator 1. 16/17.....and then the playoffs....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 7 2016 6:15 pm EST

TD: Sure glad you're the Ranger GM! LOL...IMO that's a ridiculous bounty for someone who's unproven and a potential malcontent and more importantly, for a team who's feeder system is suspect.

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 5:46 pm EST

is there any rule in signing trouba and trading him , besides a ntc ?

stevielegs


Mon Nov 7 2016 5:13 pm EST

It is also nice to see the Rangers win at home....Not a good place for them in recent years...Better on the road....And yes AV did suck last year.....This year's story can't be written yet but he is off to a great start...Resting Girardi last night tells me even the great AV learns from his mistakes....

PJ


Mon Nov 7 2016 5:06 pm EST

And now being serious......he can prove his worth. If he is all that TD thinks he is, he will be a very rich man in a few years.

Bob


Mon Nov 7 2016 5:04 pm EST

So 2 years at $3MM per for the next Bobby Orr/Larry Robinson combo Jake Trouba? At that price, he is not likely to be leaving Winnipeg. Maybe he can play on the second pair until the big dude gets back. Paul Postma beware! And.....maybe he will have a new agent before this contract is up. In fact, he should hire Bobby Orr!

Bob


Mon Nov 7 2016 4:55 pm EST

RF4L – TROUBA is going to command serious money in two years no matter what. There are only two explanations for him inking a deal like this: First is that the Jets capitulated and offered him top-pairing minutes to earn his future check…or second, that they promised to deal him to a contender…Teams like the Wings, Boston and the Rangers couldn’t fit the kid under the cap…Take the Rangers for instance: Even if they moved MILLER and SKJEI for him, they wouldn’t be able to sign the kid for $5 million per…and they could conceivably be in the same situation as the Jets: Trouba holding out for the payday with three weeks left until he’s ineligible. The Jets just killed two birds with one stone. They signed him for a deal about 90 percent of the league can fit into their cap scheme…they also made it possible for a team to trade picks and prospects instead of players…which, if you’re the surging Rangers, has got to be a much more palatable alternative. Another mention on Twitter: Trouba’s salary just happens to fit snuggly beneath the Rangers’ salary cap. Already have a bet going that he’s not a Jet by the New Year…which may be a little aggressive. I could almost guarantee he won’t finish that contract as a Jet. If I’m Gorton, I offer the Jets something to the effect of KLEIN, a top prospect and two firsts for Trouba. Boom.

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 4:45 pm EST

Halversieve to the Pack. Skapski to Greenville.

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 4:39 pm EST

Ahh, there ya go. Thx Hospo. Good deal for the Jets. They won this tug of war hands down.

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 4:38 pm EST

If Troubla's deal means he's an UFA in 2 years, any team would be foolish to give up anything of value for him. He's gonna demand max $$ and given this hold-out, go right to UFA to get it. Personally, I think the kid and his family/agent finally woke up and realized he's got way more to lose than the Jets. Stupid hold-out on his part from the start. What he needs to do is go to Winnipeg, keep his mouth shut and work hard. Show the hockey world he's as good as he seems to think he is. Then he can collect the rewards.

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 4:36 pm EST

Fickle Coach......

mf


Mon Nov 7 2016 4:24 pm EST

RFA with arbitration rights in two years at 24...UFA at 26..I think WPG keeps him and TROUBA shuts up and puts up...They need him

Hospo


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:59 pm EST

LOTS of speculation right now that the TROUBA signing is a precursor to a trade...that Winnipeg signed him to a cap-friendly deal because they've already got the framework in place for a trade. It's one of the only reasons I can thing that a guy who was supposedly turning down a six-year $5 million contract all of a sudden went for $3 million per over two years. Although I think this contract means he'll be a UFA in two years(age 24) and could then seek serious cash...but the other thinking is this will allow him to be traded to a team for picks and prospects...could see a situation develop that is very similar to the TURRIS situation a few years back...where there was a similar contentious holdout...Turris thought he was ready for the NHL and in fact was right...yet the stupid Coyotes kept benching him and sending him to San Antonio...About a month after he signed, he was shipped to Ottawa and became their second-line center...Some Twitter folks think Trouba is packing his bags for NY...

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:50 pm EST

Good for Winnipeg....We gotta remember they had like 6 regulars missing last night....with Stafford, Little, Perrault, Myers, Trouba they may be a very intersting team as they get helathy and the season moves along...Unfortunately, their goaltending seems to suck every year!!!

Hospo


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:46 pm EST

E - Think wht you want..He did SUCK last year...Like Players, coaches can't have a bad year? He was horrendous...the team had zero chemistry the entire year...no identity.. he got the best out of very few players..and the team basically quit in the last third of the season...I'm remain convinced that AV's inability to know and play his team last year was a big reason why it was nothing more than .500 after mid November....THis year, so far, we ar seeing the opposite ned of the spectrum as I mentioned in my previous post......Is it the players making the caochj or tha coach making the players? Just like last year--it's both...

Hospo


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:41 pm EST

Trouba signs http://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/11/jacob-trouba-winnipeg.html

puckyou


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:37 pm EST

AV sure had trouble coaching last year. More often than not last year, his team was ill-prepared, looked disinterested and continually made routine mistakes. Fickle indeed.

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:22 pm EST

AV sucks. He can't coach. Was only the luck of the draw inheriting good teams. He can't develop players. He teaches pussy hockey. And on and on. Amazing how winning changes feelings. The fickle fans...

E


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:12 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Yeah, it has been a home heavy schedule..and we haven't played the best....But, who is the best?..They demolished TB and St. Louis back to back and beat Edmonton..So, it really hasn't been because of weak opponents....I hate to say this, but i think it's because of team chemistry and AV..It is the opposite of last year..Don't get me wrong, the talent level with Biuch, Vesey and Grabenr is higher...but......every button AV has pushed has worked so far...from pre-season to last night....He is handling the youngsters great....the lines seem like they have been playing together for months and, the big one. the TEAM defense is helping fuel the offense and visa versa....Will the Rangers just runaway with things in the regular season. I doubt it...I excpect the defenses of other teams to jell and take a more physcal and responsible approach to the Ranges and make things tougher on them...But, hopefully the lines can resonds as they have the first 12 games..

Hospo


Mon Nov 7 2016 3:05 pm EST

I am sure that the Rangers will not keep up this pace for many of the reasons mentioned. However, the points are in the bank and cannot be taken away from them. they will also be more difficult to come by later in the year.

Bob


Mon Nov 7 2016 2:30 pm EST

NYRs: TIme to temper expectations since the NYRs have (1) had a lot of home games, (2) relatively easy schedule, (3) been mostly injury free, (4) didn't have many players tired from World Cup.... (5) been major lucky w turnovers...

schneidw


Mon Nov 7 2016 1:51 pm EST

I have been about as wrong as you can be about this team this year...I thought they would be a disaster....Happy to be so far off at least up till now....Some of the more encouraging things to me is one we aren't relying on Hank standing on his head to win like early last year...Actually we haven't really relied on him to steal a game yet...With all of the new players up from as in five of our starting forwards we are not experiencing the chemistry issues that normally take place....We are winning while finding out what we have....I wanted Hayes gone so bad I could taste it...Oh well guess that would have been a mistake....I laughed when the signed Grabner...Was very critical of Holden and this guy has really played well....KEEP PROVING ME WRONG RANGERS!

PJ


Mon Nov 7 2016 12:48 pm EST

I didn't hear a single New York Rangers or coach state that they played great. Simply put they found a way. And it's like that sometimes. But when you don't have your A game and you can still tattoo any team in the NHL for 5? Like the guys on NHL Network were saying. The New York Rangers just are running teams out of the building right now. I try to temper my enthusiasm because I'm forever thinking the other shoe is going to fall and leave a Chuck Taylor logo on my forehead but this team is a lot of fun to watch. If this is to be the kind of NHL that it is? Meaning pure skill? Then I'm enjoying this because I'm not sure I've ever seen a New York Rangers team with so many odd man rushes ever. It's insane.

E


Mon Nov 7 2016 12:41 pm EST

Gotta give it to Hayes. Everything about his game is improved. Whatever he did in the offseason is remarkable. The skill was always there but his skating, face offs, positional play, physicality. And keep in mind he is the player of the week coming off the third line. Nice to see a guy elevate their game after the sophomore doldrums.

E


Mon Nov 7 2016 12:37 pm EST

We were not crisp last night at all .. too many unforced errors.. fortunately the JETS have a pop gun offence and less than standout goaltending .. they all can be brilliant, but hoping the team is not at all satisfied with effort and performance... especially in their own end... P .. U

sjw


Mon Nov 7 2016 12:08 pm EST

I am in shock!!!!!!....https://www.nhl.com/news/nikita-kucherov-corey-crawford-kevin-hayes-named-stars-of-the-week/c-283498100?tid=282747176

RF73


Mon Nov 7 2016 11:14 am EST

Ranger fans never content. Always looking to trade for somebody that will make them better smh. Don't trade these young kids. You trade anybody, trade 5. Or a. It later maybe Nash. Right. Ow Nash is going to the net. If we know what will happen come crunch time. Enjoy the team we have now. Team plays well.

KIS


Mon Nov 7 2016 10:52 am EST

Dunno if anyone is comparing Skeji directly with Troubla from a skillset perspective (or at least I'm not). What I am comparing is the value. Skeji is big, mobile and positionally sound (for the most part - he is a rookie after all). He's also half way thru his ELC, plus he's home grown and appears to be level-headed (i.e. cannot envision him holding out when his ELC deal ends). A few weeks ago, some were ready to move him AND a first for Troubla (not me). Now it's an argument if you do a one for one move (not me - he's a keeper).

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 10:36 am EST

TD: one thing about the PP is that AV has changed it. No longer are they playing a 3-2 PP but a modified umbrella. I've noticed some teams moving towards similar formations. It's very mobile. It gives greater lanes for exits but it gives less time for a defense to extend out. The whole, let's move the pucks to the points, fire it to the other defenseman and look for lanes I think is gone. Instead you have a character like Buch who seems to excel at moving the puck in small spaces and a lot of puck movement. When they are on, they really get the goalie moving and they really corral in the PK'ers. So, as of right now? I think they could really use a righty who can fire the puck but it hasn't hid them. A lot of guys on the New York Rangers who can dish. In the past they had very few guys who could shoot. Too much unselfishness. Vesey and Pirri seem to know no such thing thing as a pass. In the PP, they're gonna shoot. Seems like every time they get it that puck is going on net. And Pirri as he slides to the top of the circle looks like he's lethal. He can really crack the puck. But I also agree that some who are doing the whole Skjei vs. Trouba are kinda making a skued argument. Skjei is very good. Has the chance to become a solid all around player. You love those guys. Especially as the game continues to put emphasis on speed. Trouba has not lived up to it yet but he has superstar level skills. Whether that translates into something special it likely still will. So, the upside I think is there.

E


Mon Nov 7 2016 10:15 am EST

Holy crap....take a look at the +/- leaderboard: At the top is Shea Weber with a +15; tied for second with a +13 are Miller, Grabner, Hayes (Hayes!!!) and Holden. I find this mind-boggling and cannot help but wonder if/when the bubble will burst....................chalk that up to my long time rangeritis disease!

RF4L


Mon Nov 7 2016 9:40 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/why-resting-dan-girardi-shows-huge-shift-in-rangers-philosophy/

stevielegs


Mon Nov 7 2016 8:49 am EST

Valliquette pointed out the first goalie holds his glove way too low and claims allaire probably put up on the board shoot high glove side....that's a good second job for the goalie coach...help the offense....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 7 2016 8:42 am EST

So far it seems lines have chemistry and they are a TEAM... trouba is a dream right now since they can't fit him under the cap without moving a big salary...which points to girardi or staal.... not an easy task for fishboy...but nobody said it was going to be easy... I hope he can find a good way ....otherwise wait until the deadline or ufas in the offseason...after the parade...

stevielegs


Mon Nov 7 2016 8:25 am EST

On last night: Well, that wasn't exactly the cleanest of wins...but again, this team finds a way to get it done. VERY exciting to watch...and a big difference between this and last year...this team has ZERO quit in it...they may start slow, but there's just no contending with them when they get flying...and it happens every game...Funny, Dickaletti was making some smarmy comment about how their streak of exploding in the second was at an end...then BOOM...Four goals...three unanswered. Almost like they feel a team out in the first...start chipping away at them...and once they find an exploit, it's over...their second period stats have been off the charts...and that's another VERY good sign...re: ZIBANEJAD - No worries here at all. The guy was red hot to start the season and has cooled. Deal for him was still a steal...another point: There is only one puck. And if one part of the Rangers' lineup is hot, there's another that won't be putting up points. "Third line" is the hot hand right now...if they can score goals and everyone else can keep them out of the net, then we're ahead of the game...How about Nick HOLDEN? Talk about the guy who was selected least-likely to ever be playing top-pairing minutes...A fourth rounder for him is looking like a real sound move...BUCHNEVICH: Wow. What more can be said about that goal?!? Just wow. Granted, the tender he beat is kind of a hack...but that was just beautiful. Lots to like about this team...when I can come home from Sunday night hockey at midnight and with a belly full of PBR and still stay awake for the whole Ranger game...that's when you know hockey is exciting.

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 8:08 am EST

Re: SJKEI v. TROUBA - Totally different players... Admittedly, my eyes are open on Skjei. He's taken a major step in his development and looks like a real asset where he is right now...and I don't think I'd like to disturb that...or anything on the Rangers right now...but that said, Trouba has two things that Skjei will never have: He's right-handed and he's got a CANNON of a shot. I sound like a broken record here, but he's EXACTLY the type of player you want on your point during the PP...but in that regard, the Rangers' PP this season has been all about puck possession...move it quickly...tape-to-tape passes...drawing the PKers out of position and striking. The closest they're coming to needing a booming shot is when they get ZIBANEJAD set up on OV's spot...And Skjei's speed has been a real asset to this team...but is he better than Trouba? Nope. Wouldn't say that at all. Again: Trouba is a first-pairing defenseman whose rights are owned by a tire fire of an organization...one that has ZERO idea how to manage its assets. Skjei is playing out of his mind...and I suppose I could see him being a top-four guy...but a top pairing? I don't know about that...Even with his play lately, Trouba is the better player...now if the question is would you swap one for the other...I would have said hell yeah a few weeks ago...now...I'm not so sure...I think the Jets have overvalued what they're asking for Trouba deliberately...and I think if he is moved in the next few weeks, it'll be for something similar to what the Bruins got for HAMILTON...which brings me to my last point...to say their are similarities between Dougie and Trouba...well...there are none...Trouba has a very good track record of producing, even if he hasn't yet done it at the NHL level...Hamilton was and continues to be way over-rated...He never was a good pick to anchor a defense. Trouba is.

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:50 am EST

Incidentally, Vecchione's coach at U is Rick Bennett...former Ranger prospect. Very good coach. Great guy too.

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:48 am EST

mf - I mentioned VECCHIONE a while back after he had a 50-point season with Union. He's having an incredible year with U spearheading a bit of a revival for the team after it slumped following the national championship. He was among the top college UFAs last spring, but decided to finish his degree...or put better, to avenge the absolutely putrid season he and Union had last year. Like a lot of Union players, Vecchione has gone under the radar...Undrafted, he's an older player...going to be 24 in February. Inasmuch, it's not likely he's going to be looking to sign with a team like the Rangers, where his chances to get into the lineup are just about nil over the next two years...He spent two summer at the Bruins' camp, so conventional wisdom would suggest they have the inside track. He also spent time with the Wild and the Flyers this past summer...As a player? Solid guy, good hands and likely has an NHL career ahead of him. Don't see him as a Vesey-type player and will likely need some seasoning in the AHL...but man, is he on a tear this year: 14 goals in 11 games. Just dominating.

tdchi


Mon Nov 7 2016 7:05 am EST

Ola the key for the nyr is to improve from here, and deal with adversity. If they keep scoring 5 goals the odds are they will win those games. It's a long preseason to get to the playoffs. Then it's a new season. That's where the coach needs to learn strategy and adjustments. The refs control the playoffs.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 7 2016 5:51 am EST

RF4L- Agreed on Zinbanejad, and to be honest, I think this apply to all over players. The game is much more open in October and November than it is in February and March. The puck is going in for many of our players right now, and it will do so until like it stops going in if you get what I mean. Nobody of these guys will stay hot all season. There are cliches and there are facts, and its a fact that you don't win a Cup in October and November. How many teams haven't looked like strong contenders in the fall only to finish slow and be routed in the first round? WITH THAT SAID, the one positive thing that nobody can take away that is that a lot of kids have done a great job. Vesey, Buch and Skjei. But also so many vets have come to play and are really prepared for this season. Hayes and Miller's team game focus compared to where it was a few years ago for Miller and last year for Hayes has been awesome, just awesome. And so forth. But will we come to a point of the season were we go like "hm that great joy we felt in October and November was maybe a bit over the top?", absolutely. You always do. Then hopefully we can come back against, and find ways to keep playing.

Ola


Sun Nov 6 2016 11:37 pm EST

Vecchione turned down NHL interest last summer, citing a desire to improve some other facets of his game, and to have a more successful final season at Union...... http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2016/3/14/11221816/union-mike-vecchione-nhl-free-agent-returning-for-senior-season .......................... http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2015/4/3/8340711/unions-mike-vecchione-returning-to-school

mf


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:58 pm EST

mf: It appears he has NOT been drafted...at least I can't find anything saying he wasy

Wildcard


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:44 pm EST

I haveb't seen enough of TROUBA to know if that's true, but I have seen enough of SKJEI to know I'm nit trading him for Trouba...Nor am i trading Klein,...I also don't want to deal form the forward depth..YET...just in case there is another injury...If you can get a d-man with any forward outside our top 10 plus pick/prospects, fine...otherwise, wait...for veteran help near the deadline---if it's needed and it's wprth it (i.e., a cup run is possible).

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:42 pm EST

Vecchione: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=98845

mf


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:41 pm EST

Union captain Mike Vecchione (23y/o RHS) has been tearing it up lately.... Anyone know if he's been drafted or if the Rangers have a chance to kick the tires with this guy?

mf


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:25 pm EST

Skeji > Troubla....

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:07 pm EST

B Skjeij is 2nd amongst rookies in assists and leading defenseman...

schneidw


Sun Nov 6 2016 10:05 pm EST

CAM FOWLER: 4 goals already

schneidw


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:47 pm EST

Zuke had a few hand-aways in his own end tonight but was, I thought, the best Ranger on the ice. Unlike nearly 2/3s of the forwards, he was visible all game long.

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:44 pm EST

Z has been absolutely invisible in all 3 of these games I've seen. He's the only - on the team tonight. He's now a -2 for the season, this despite the high-flying offense of the Rangers. Guess we're seeing a little of why the Sens were willing to move him.

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:39 pm EST

Buch is going to have to watch himself and learn how to defend himself. He should have crosscheck that ape bufgylin in the head

KIS


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:38 pm EST

Good victory, glad we only allowed 2 ga's which was at 2.25 gapg and now is 2.23 gapg...

mf


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:37 pm EST

Watched 3 of the last 4 games and wow, can this team strike offensively and from not just one line. Very impressive.

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:26 pm EST

Does Zuuc use Chara's stick? He sure covers a lot of ice with it.

Bob


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:00 pm EST

Someone on twitter said it correctly. Right now the Rangers do not have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th line...they have a 1A, 1B, 1C, and 1D line. Its rather insane, and 5 goals per game will not last for 82 games. But I am going to enjoy it while it lasts, and I am sure the players will as well.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:52 pm EST

I take that back..just looked at the Ice time..Step/Vesey/Nash seem to be getting just as much as the oothers..Just not doing much tonight so far..That's OK, others are picking up the slack

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:49 pm EST

We can't be contained! I figure that at some point the NYR are gonna hit one of those 3 goals in 4 games stretches, but hell. That will be the aberration, it looks like.

Nick


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:45 pm EST

AV's caoching this year...Has handled BUCH really well...Has been riding the hot hand this year...The other night he kinda limited Vesey and Kid K...Tonight, I don't think I heard STEPAN's name once in the 2nd period..and vesey and Nash played ALOT LESS..

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:44 pm EST

I was about to gripe that Pirri is not a center and killing that line, and he puts up 2 assists. Shows what I know.

Bob


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:41 pm EST

still too many turnovers in our own zone...

WIOSA


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:39 pm EST

another 5 goal game!!!

WIOSA


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:38 pm EST

WOW...this team can just explode...and every line...2 gaols by the 4th line...what a freaking move a scorers play by BUCh...and he's on the 4th line.Going good...

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:38 pm EST

Great response by Buchnevich after getting pummeled earlier by big Buff

tlats


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:37 pm EST

Buch is freaking filthy. Wow!

Bob


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:36 pm EST

BUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKK

rangerlou


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:36 pm EST

Another 5 goal game

tlats


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:36 pm EST

Buchtwo

stevielegs


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:35 pm EST

This team is fun to watch

rangerlou


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:27 pm EST

but....Great shot by JT...rangers sure as hell are resillient..

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:27 pm EST

JT!!!!

WIOSA


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:25 pm EST

Horrible backchecking and coverage by the same line that just scored.....giveth and taketh away...

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:25 pm EST

Miller time

tlats


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:25 pm EST

Ouch that was on Skjei

WIOSA


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:24 pm EST

adding to the last...because thats what we all want right? Players worried about getting their asses kicked for clean hits so they just avoid hitting guys and peel off...that will make the NHL oh so much more exciting.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:23 pm EST

HOSPO: Sorry but one of the worst things in an NHL game is a bunch of grown men, professional hockey player getting all cry baby and going after a guy for a clean hit. IMHO there should be a minimum 10 game suspension for that crap...and the coach should get the gate as well for at least 5. Enough with the neanderthal crap in the NHL. A clean hit is what I love to see, I HATE with a passion when a big hit comes, and the other team goes all stupid and ruins a great game by dropping the gloves because of a clean hit. Its just stupid.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:21 pm EST

Nice goal by Zucc great composure and pass by Kreider

tlats


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:20 pm EST

But.......they dod it on the scorebaord!!! Rangers had been scrambling for awhile but...BAM! Good play by Kid K..good finish by Zucc..

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:18 pm EST

Nice clean check by BYFUG destroying bUCH...Most teams respond to a hit like that, clean or not, right or not.....But not for one second did I expect a Ranger to! Oh well,,is what it is

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:18 pm EST

Zoookkk

mf


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:10 pm EST

VESEY needs to learn this isn't college and can't play with the puck like that with a forechecker

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:04 pm EST

BOB - I know...and I miss having a whipping bou or two!

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:02 pm EST

HOSPO--Just breaking your balls. I was at the Garden Thursday and I could not believe the game Hayes played. Now last night, once they got ahead 3-1 they withdrew and tried to shut ot down. Winnipeg is talented and can skate so they can give the Rangers a game.

Bob


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:53 pm EST

And I'm likeing BRADY SKJEI Imore and more every game--and I liked him alot coming into the season...Does a real good job defensviely...Stronger than I thought and battles well...Not spectacular offensively but solid and smooth..

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:50 pm EST

BOB - Hayes was my whipping boy becasue he deserved every bit of it...Nobody playing anywhere near that bad this year..All doing their job well..,Pirri with a lazy check on that WPG goal is about all I can muster right now....

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:49 pm EST

Who needs the great Jake Trouba when you have Paul Postma on the backline? Seriously, what a bunch of overblown hype for a 3rd pair defenseman.

Bob


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:17 pm EST

Whippeeeee, let's pile on the accolades, AV is resting Girardi... only a year and a month late...... AV the new most interesting man in the world..........

mf


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:17 pm EST

Msg playing purple haze

stevielegs


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:16 pm EST

Is that considered a pp goal for hot haze ?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 6 2016 7:15 pm EST

Hey hey Hayes

tlats


Sun Nov 6 2016 6:41 pm EST

Good move resting Girardi...The right way to handle his playing time....

PJ


Sun Nov 6 2016 5:51 pm EST

Vic he needs to rest him in back to back and get clem in.....otherwise i'm surprised because ass vipe rarely changes his lineup after a win...

stevielegs


Sun Nov 6 2016 5:17 pm EST

GIRARADI a healthy scratch tonight. I guess AV didn't like his game last night either....

Vic


Sun Nov 6 2016 4:25 pm EST

They played part of the 2nd and the 3rd period with 1 ref... imagine that....

stevielegs


Sun Nov 6 2016 4:14 pm EST

RF4L: I will be more concerned with the AHL players and development of said players after the midpoint of the season if they continue to struggle this much. But 20-30 at least before they start to get gelled really well, and the young first and second year pro players are fully settled, then a few more games to get some confidence in that gelling. SO prior to half way they should be better. So I will give it half the year. If they can get it going better the second half, than next season while the majority of the young guys will end up back on the same team together, they can really take it to the AHL and learn what it means to win. At least, lets hope that is the way it goes.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 6 2016 3:02 pm EST

TD: The Jets being bruisers. There is some truth to that but they aren't as big and as heavy as they were even 2 years ago. That style of play brought them very little success and in the past 3 or 4 drafts, they've been concentrating on skill over brawn and it's starting to show in their lineup. They are, obviously, still a work in progress but they are better now IMO than they were 2 years ago.

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 3:00 pm EST

TD/CoMark: Re the Pack's issues - I hope you're correct. I realize it's not the end of the world but development of players, which is what the AHL is all about (or should be) is always better achieved in a winning environment. I also realize that's somewhat of a catch 22 in that in the AHL in most cases to be successful you need career veteran AHLers playing significant roles. But to the be the opposite (that is minimal vets playing roles of any meaning and sucking) isn't ideal either. Long PO runs are fabulous learning experiences for young NHL wannabes. It does make sense I concur that given the high number of new players for the Pack they'll need 20 to 30 games to properly gel. We'll see how this plays out.

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 2:40 pm EST

The NYR looked like they were conserving energy last night because they were playing two. Let's see if that comes to fruition tonight and they are all over the Jets. I could be completely wrong, but hopefully it works our for us.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 6 2016 12:48 pm EST

Now that Kevin Hayes is the Rangers #1 center on their #1 line, I am wondering who HOSPO'S new whipping boy is going to be.

Bob


Sun Nov 6 2016 11:52 am EST

Sometimes, you just don't have your best stuff. Clearly, they didn't last night but they won. And in the macro that's all that matter. You'd worry if you saw many of the same repeat issues game in/out but you really haven't found anything that scares you too much. Most importantly, they're getting scoring up and down the lineup. And when that is happening, you're gonna win a lot of games. And I think we were enjoying the New York Rangers turn teams into a bait ball as of late. These past two games showed me two things: 1. They still have that cold, calm persona where they are difficult to rattle. They just get over a bad call, a goal, some extracurricular stuff quickly. 2. They are almost more dangerous when they are playing from behind because they begin to take a lot more chances using their speed and at times Edmonton looked overwhelmed at the waves. TB, had no idea. They just circled the wagons and tried to take it....................... but right now they are getting a lot of points that are going to be a lot harder to get down the road.

E


Sun Nov 6 2016 11:23 am EST

VIC - Totally agree about last night's game. Probably their worst game of the season and the Bruins were better at ES and most of the game. Can't play well every night.Just a bad game pure and simple....BUTTTTT..they still won...hey still made some damn secial play...winning when far from your best is a good sign.........RAAANTA was good...I thought some of the D men played prtetty well in their own end making up for a poor effort by the forwards.....ANyway, hopefully it's a different story tonight...

Hospo


Sun Nov 6 2016 11:18 am EST

Vic, oh, did I type Alex? Sorry I meant Chris Kreider ..which many know who Im referencing when I accidentally type ALEX (slowly I turn, step by step...)

WIOSA


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:43 am EST

RF4L - re: the Pack. ColoradoMark is on the money. It's a team that is in transition. They've had an immense amount of roster turnover. It's not a bad team. In fact, this year's Pack has more talent on it than I can recall Hartford having for many moons. They'll come around. It's about getting on the same page..learning the system. Gonna have some bumps and bruises along the way...One suspicion too is that the tweaks AV has made in New York to have this high-flying tempo is also being implemented in Hartford...and if that's the case, there's going to be a HUGE adjustment curve. I suspect Hartford's woes have more to do with leaving their net exposed and less to do with individual players.

tdchi


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:37 am EST

Vic - I don't think last night was the best Rangers' showing...and they were playing an inferior opponent...but they also handed Tuuka RASK his first defeat of the season...and I can't remember what his save percentage was coming into the game, but it was pretty indomitable...Yeah, there were some disappearing acts last night...but overall, the team played fine. They deserved that win, even if they weren't firing on all six cylinders...but therein lies the beauty of this team: They're not needing 100 percent from their roster to win games by three and four goals...and that's impressive...another thing: The PK with GRABNER now has a high gear. It's absolutely lethal. That lets the Rangers themselves not have to worry about taking penalties...And on another note, I think the team really did let up after going up 4-1...lots of trap hockey was played in the late second and third. I think part of the reason for that was the reality that they have another game in a few short hours against a very tough opponent. Jets might not have the best record or best team...but they are bruisers.

tdchi


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:34 am EST

The Double Z and K line's totals last night? 0 points and a collective -3. Time to break that line up IMO.

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:33 am EST

The Pack get their asses kicked again last night, 6 - 2 and for the 2nd consecutive night, the starting goalie gets pulled. Maybe it's more a goaltending issue?

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:17 am EST

What's with the disappeared offense from Z and K? Shake up time perhaps? Maybe put B back there?

RF4L


Sun Nov 6 2016 9:06 am EST

But the part that I didn't like about the Rangers game the most last night was they reverted back to playing a lazy game constant 75 to 100 foot passes all night long. The puck support in all three zones that they had been playing with this season was gone. Everything was a home run pass last night and Boston had no trouble defending it. When this team is playing its best they are making those quick, clean 8 to 10 foot passes to start the breakout and come up the ice in force. When they revert back to these home run passes they look like they did last night. Even when the pass connects there is no support in the offensive zone so they end up dumping it or turning it over when they try to beat a guy 1 on 1 or 1 on 2. The home run pass is a great weapon to use occasionally when you can spring someone for a breakaway or two on 1. But, it can't be your offensive game plan for the night. Especially when other teams are sitting back and waiting for it.

Vic


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:59 am EST

WIOSA: ALEX????? That first shortie was a great play by GRABNER that sprung the 2 on 1. The second shortie happens after HAYES flys the zone while the Bruins miss a completely open net on the PP. Should have been a PP goal for the Bruins but it ends up in their own net after HAYES held the puck forever and beat RASK on the short side in a spot that should not have been open from the angle HAYES was shooting at. I give HAYES credit for scoring but that is one that I think any goaltender would like to have back.

Vic


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:54 am EST

And, after going 8 games without a goal coming off of an offensive/defensive zone 5 on 5 faceoff, we had two last night. The BERGERON goal came off of a Rangers defensive zone faceoff win. GIRARDI moved the puck to McDONAGH who was pounced on by two Bruins and turned the puck over to MARCHAND who hit BERGERON with a perfect pass. The Rangers first goal came after an offensive zone faceoff win by STEPAN (IIRC). It wasn't immediate but the Rangers kept the puck in the zone and eventually scored on HOLDEN's "Bomb" from the point. So after 12 games Conventional Wisdom is still -1. And, speaking of faceoffs.....did I see something correctly last night????? Did I see AV send HAYES out to take a defensive zone draw in the 3rd period for ZBAD (which HAYES won) and then have HAYES come to the bench right afterward? If that is correct then I can tell you that I NEVER thought I would ever see HAYES being used as a "faceoff specialist". On the night he ended up being 40% so it wasn't like he was dominating draws either.

Vic


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:44 am EST

Vic hmmm, I disagree, but I was running in and out all night. I thought Girardi has 'returned' yes he did make a lousy clearing attempt, BUT, twice before he gave up hte body to prevent a goal scoring. He seemed on target to me. Stepan I agree has been curious this season. He is back to his 'how many times can we pass before one of us takes a shot' game. He seems to be just a step out of position a lot too. I think Skjei had a good game, and we cant forget Buch. Grabner is just everywhere, he was a great pick up. Even with a shortie last night our PK is really looking sharp. That first goal against - which I feel Antti shouldve had - (not bashing the guy, stuff happens) seemed to take the wind out of us, we were outhustled for a good part of that period, despite what the score eventually was...but we came back, found our game and hustled. I dont want to say anything about Alex, Ill just let it sit...JT is on his game, Fast is another player, just EVERYWHERE...and Hayes, who is that guy in the 13? He's playing a really good FAST game. Im happy so far.

WIOSA


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:42 am EST

I'm not sure why they played as poorly as they did. Are they a little gassed after playing their 4th game in 7 days? Were they dismissing Boston a bit and looking ahead to the game against the Jets tonight? Were they trying to win the game while conserving some energy? I don't really know but last night looked a lot like many of the first 20 games last year. The Rangers get outplayed but score some timely goals on special teams, get lucky to be playing a goaltender having a bad night and get a great game from their own goaltender. That is not a recipe for success. As for the lines, I think it is time to jumble some things up. I'd leave the HAYES line alone but take a serious look at switching guys around on the other 3 lines.

Vic


Sun Nov 6 2016 8:35 am EST

Well, I guess I'll be the one to bring some urine and Cheerios to this party. I didn't like the Rangers game at all last night. I thought it was maybe their worst game of the year (outside of the Carolina game). Boston was the better team for about 70 percent of the game IMHO. With they talent difference between these two teams that shouldn't be the case. The Rangers win that game because GRABNER is playing like a man possessed, RASK had a real stinker of a game, and RAANTA played very well. The guys who I thought played the best last night were GRABNER, FAST, SKJEI and NASH. STEPAN gets the "BRASSARD Award" for playing a pedestrian game and walking away with a goal and two assists. Were KREIDER, ZBAD and MZA dressed? Did VESEY make it to the game on time? I know GIRARDI did because he had his worst game of the year. He was a factor in both goals against and was actually gets the dunce aware twice on the second goal against. On that goal he had the puck in his own end with time and space. Instead of moving it to someone he inexplicably sends a soft bounce pass up the boards to CHARA at the left point. CHARA keeps the puck in and eventually GIRARDI ends up back in front of the goal with PASTRNAK. GIRARDI does nothing there except help to screen his goaltender as PASTRNAK gets the unmolested deflection.

Vic


Sun Nov 6 2016 4:38 am EST

Scoring 5 usually means a win. They are hitting in most cylinders right now. Racking up 2 points per game is the goal being achieved. Amazing start to get 120 points this season.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 6 2016 4:21 am EST

I look for Henrik to have a big game tonight. It seems the better Raanta plays.....the better Henrik plays......all the good ones have ego's

jnyr


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