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Mon Aug 31 2015 11:26 pm EST

Chicago collects cups and almost never fights. Detroit is well documented. So many of the base worry about the NYI physical game. Yet, they don't fight. There are many ways to win but what matters most is sticking together and brining the pain. Everyone talks about how much Anaheim fights but that team also is very disciplined. They don't get baited. They fight on their terms. If I have a choice between a team that tries to intimidate vs. a hard hitting team, I take the hard hitting. This is more and more the NHL.

E


Mon Aug 31 2015 9:38 pm EST

If that list has merit...well, the Rangers have none....

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 5:22 pm EST

Best Undrafted Players of the 2015 NHL Entry Draft.... https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/3cml30/best_undrafted_players_of_the_2015_nhl_entry_draft/ .... RF4L... Any player who went unclaimed in the NHL Draft can sign an entry-level deal with an NHL club.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 31 2015 3:31 pm EST

Stevie whistle to whistles smart and I agree with it most of the time, but they have take. It to the extreme. Boston built a franchise around after the whistle play and won a cup is that what won the cup? Doubtful but intimidation plays a part players aren't afraid but they will hesitate which breaks plays up easier I think McL will have guys thinking when he's on the ice which breaks plays up. If he brings that factor alone he is valuable without ever dropping the gloves just nasty hard hitting hockey. I also think that players will have a little more swagger with him around around because he just doesn't care if you

York18


Mon Aug 31 2015 2:48 pm EST

Meant to conclude that if Tambellini does score reasonably well this year for Hartford, we should see something of that ability in this tourney.

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 2:45 pm EST

I am curious to see how Tambellini, Gropp, Graves, Mantha and Zborovskiy fare. I expect both Skjei and Halverson to do at least acceptable, if not very well. Mantha and Graves were both lower end picks but apparently made significant progress last season - if it's legitimate they should be able to compete in this tourney (I believe both have played in it previously). For Tambellini I believe this season will give us a strong indication of whether or not he's got true ability to progress into a 2nd line center. I'm not saying that if he struggles, he's a right off but these days it seems most top 6 players produce when moving to the next competitive level, be it the AHL or NHL. Of course, I'm not saying he needs to be a top 10 AHL scorer - but I don't want him to be Micheal St Croix II.

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 2:33 pm EST

I looked at the rest of the free agents invites - alas, no body stands out at all, which I guess isn't surprising. TD is right - there are a lot of them which I guess, is a reflection of Sather's jettisoning of so many draft picks lately...

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 2:32 pm EST

So Cameron Askew (what a last name - hope he makes the Rangers one day!)

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 2:26 pm EST

Artem Artemov is only 18...can he be signed by the Rangers now (if they wanted him)??

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 2:21 pm EST

JFC: Or he'll stick to his guns arguing that this style trumps the other and if it doesn't work, it's not his fault, he simply wasn't provided with the right mix of players.

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 12:27 pm EST

Interesting...I noticed Hayden HODGSON during rookie camp becuse he looks like a huge kid with some upside. He's at Traverse City along with a bunch of other tryouts...anyway, was looking for info on Hodgson and found this link (http://ohlprospects.blogspot.com/2014/05/my-final-top-50-ohl-players-for-2014_20.html?m=1)where the writer had some nice things to say about him...but also listed Zach BRATINA and Anthony DiFruscia as guys to watch from the OHL. Never seen any of them play, but all three seem like solid players. Will be an interesting tourney. Think the Wings kids are going to clean up. They have a sick rosters going this year.

tdchi


Mon Aug 31 2015 11:56 am EST

TC roster just released...no real surprises...TAMBELLINI, SKJEI, GROPP, GRAVES and Calle ANDERSSON all on the roster. HALVERSON and IVERSON too. Looks like a lot of try-outs this year.

tdchi


Mon Aug 31 2015 8:38 am EST

If AV doesn't change his "style" for the playoffs after what his team has experienced for the past 2 years, then he is a fool who doesn't deserve to be coaching this team. A HUGE factor in our inability to win was the refs swallowing their whistles and the subsequent inability of our team to find sufficient open ice. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me....fool me three times....??? I'd like to see AV not wait until the POs to adjust. He can make a philosophical adjustment to his system simply by empowering his players to play a grittier style.....we have the personnel to do it. But, it's not aboutbthe personnel, it's aboutbthe coach and what he expects his players to do. When your mantra is "whistle to whistle" and you give no props when a guy like Wrath fights a heavyweight (and gets the Broadway hat) then the players get the message loud and clear that finesse is the preferred approach of the coach and THAT is what will get you ice time and the coach's praise. Conversely, if the coach starts talking in camp about not backing down, taking the attack to them, doing whatever it takes to win, etc....just change up the rhetoric and that alone will change the way these guys play. Anyone who has played at a competitive level will,understand....the players will play the style that the coach is passionate about, the approach that he stresses in small chats individually and on the ice as the team stands together in a circle. Additionally, what about having a hybrid style based on lines? Mandatenthatnlines 3 and 4 are to be the "body punches" that set up the knockout punches by the top 2 lines? Let lines 3-4 play a chip n' chase, crash n' bang style while the top 2 lines play more,of,the style that has come to define the AV system the past 2 years. Then, no big adjustment would need to be made at playoff time.

JFC31


Mon Aug 31 2015 7:14 am EST

York: Re AV adjusting for the POs. Good point but I still maintain another top producing forward is a major key and has contributed the last 2 POs for the team's elimination - they need to be able score more. Let's hope Kreider's ready to make the transition from an average producing winger to the next level (30+ goals).

RF4L


Mon Aug 31 2015 7:04 am EST

I hope Gorton can afford to keep a 23 man roster, and veenknow uses it to rest the older guys all season long , especially in back to back games. And gets the new kids , big mac and limburger, enough playing time...

stevielegs


Mon Aug 31 2015 6:26 am EST

With September almost here figured it's time to start posting, I just wish it felt like hockey weather not this heatwave. AV adapting, I think his system works great for the regular season, what I think he needs to do is have a more grinding style ready depending on the series. He needs to use the refs lack of calls to his advantage not be the victim of it cone playoff time. When the matchup calls for it surprise the other team and switch up make them adapt and catch them off guard. For all his warts soupy was a great Xs and Os guy and switched things up when we went to the cup and the year we went to the conference finals two years later. Keenan gets all the credit but Campbell was making the adjustments. This team will be big enough to grind when need be and platoon Kreider, miller, and fast to punish the D to slow them down and wear them down. I'll quickly chime in on puriton great guy salt of the earth no ego on the guy at all but a screw loose for sure. Sad to read what happened this guy loved playing for the rangers and was not a go out and party guy. I can't say enough good things about the guy he's just in a bad place and I wish him the best. McL I honestly don't know what to think and I'm sure he and Lindberg are feeling the same way.McL needs to beat Diaz out and then ride pine I guess. I honestly believe both he and Lindberg would have been dealt if the rangers felt they couldn't make it. I can't see them losing him on waivers for nothing that would be crazy to say the least. Lindberg is in an odd position, if you take what Gorton said then Stoll has a spot unless he sucks so bad he losses it. That puts Lindberg fighting for a smaller spot and also playing out of position. I like Lindberg he plays bigger than his size and has a mean streak, he takes numbers and has no problem putting a stick to someone or a nasty hit and he's good at not getting caught he doesn't take stupid penalties. He's good in all three zones, plays the boards good and has good vision. Stoll just seems to be the kind of player this team has needed come playoffs a big grinding player who can win faceoffs. I will say Lindberg is no slouch at the circle either. Not sure if it changes at this level but if it doesn't he instantly becomes one of this teams top faceoff guys. As for all the new additions first say what you want hags scored almost 20 and for a team that struggles to score that production will be missed along with the offensive production that was a direct result of his forechecking. Also hos ability to keep other teams pinned and not send four guys deep when he was on the PK in fear of him breaking out. With that said he had to move on thanks to the cap. The new additions what will they do? It's all guessing I hope etim turns into something but who knows? Stalberg has experience and decent hands not sure what to expect from him either. The D for the first time is fully intact which means no system adjusting this OCt they should be clicking out of the gate. I don't expect a presidents trophy nor do I care for one. I'd rather sneak into the playoffs and destroy teams amd win a cup

York18


Mon Aug 31 2015 6:07 am EST

just like the nyr figured out how to beat the trap, teams have and will figure out how to beat their speed game.... they need to add dimensions and adjust game plans ....while playing good d......most of this is the coach's problems.....and solutions....veenknow has to prove he can win it all instead of sloppy seconds and thirds.....and he better figure out big mac, the key to adding a team dimension and mentality.....and get rid of the whistle to whistle bs.......they have to be tough enough....

stevielegs


Sun Aug 30 2015 11:09 pm EST

I don't have a problem with the system. If the New York Rangers couldn't sustain a forecheck and were unable to maintain zone is call into question the system but stretching the ice and bringing the puck up with speed is pretty much the only way to break the trap on teams like Boston nowadays. But the New York Rangers get good cycles and zone time. I'd like them to be on the goalie more but they still like to play 3-high to cover the exit lanes. And that's just defensive hockey. My only issue is that for all that offense in the regular season goals come ugly in the spring. But if the PP had some juice I think some of the scoring woes goes away. All interesting story lines for me. I don't think you'll philosophically see too much change in the game plan. I'm hopeful that Miller, Chris Krieder in particular will be better at getting to and holding the crease.

E


Sun Aug 30 2015 9:19 pm EST

Yep, fast and lots of breakouts and so on are indeed fun to watch. So would the hoisting of the cup. It takes more than speedy breakouts and n-s hockey. Are you ready to adjust accordingly AV? Or are you going to go down as another very good coach who's too stubborn/arrogant to recognize that sometimes one must go against one's instinct and adapt....

RF4L


Sun Aug 30 2015 9:09 pm EST

Oh, and this team is ridiculously fast and that makes for some fun n-s hockey. Something that I enjoy. Screw grinding, and slogging hockey. I wanna see super fast breakouts, heading up the ice with numbers and slick passing. That makes the game fun for me. And AV gives me a lot of clinics on line matching and strategy to decompress. The guy is a very, very good coach. So McIlrath, what about you??? Make them keep you in the lineup.

E


Sun Aug 30 2015 9:02 pm EST

HIP: I think it will be a very good season filled with a good amount of intrigue and success. And there is nothing that says that they cannot go deep into the playoffs yet again. Will it be enough??? Good question... But you are basically returning a healthy version of a team 60-minutes from a back to back SCF. Defense, goaltending and scoring intact. Sure it has some of the same warts and some of the same fan gripes. What is intriguing to me and I'm sure you and everyone else is the coming performances of McIlrath and a couple of other guys. Can/will they make the team. Will JT mature further? Will Chris Krieder take the next step? Will Hayes repeat and improve? Lots of intrigue building on an already formidable team. Tis a golden age for New York Rangers fans. Since 2011 this has been the most success I've seen this franchise have in my lifetime. An annual threat to make noise. Never did I imagine that I would look at a Presidents Trophy with such indifference. Why? All else is ancillary. Only one accolade matters and there is only one bar to judge by. Will this team be the SJ Sharks to win staggering numbers of games only to find ways to crap the bed in the post season and slowly watch their window close or will this team find that whatever "it" is that can take them just a little higher. I'll state this: at no time in my life can I watch this team so at ease. I know if they have the lead going into the third by 2 it's over. I also know that their face offs from scoring lines will continue to suck. So, I'm prepared to do this yet again as I've done every season since I was but a young squid. But I still am very bullish on the New York Rangers despite not having enough of the kinda grit and grind that I think makes a winning formula. But part of me also fears that I'm becoming a relic and that my formula for winning is becoming a little more antiquated each season.

E


Sun Aug 30 2015 12:34 pm EST

I can't wait for this team to prove the crirics wrong. Rangers will be that lower seeded hot team with: Speed, experience, defense & goaltending. Recipe for success in the postseason. Im fired up!!!!

hipcheck


Sat Aug 29 2015 8:01 am EST

And on one more thought re: McILRATH...someone here brought up the name Austin WATSON of the Preds a while back(maybe RF4L?)...well, he's another guy who will have to make the bigs or go through waivers. Word on the street is that he'd probably be a better fit for another organization...scouting on him says he's probably a bottom-line player, but one with size and toughness...not particularly fast though. Wonder if on the outside chance Mack doesn't make the team if there could be a one-for-one swap.

tdchi


Sat Aug 29 2015 7:59 am EST

http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2015/7/13/8910271/questions-about-mike-richards-the-los-angeles-kings-and-the-nhl

stevielegs


Sat Aug 29 2015 7:43 am EST

Man, the LA Kings are starting look and sound a lot like the 1986 Mets...just replete with addicts and thugs...still can't fathom how much drugs RICHARDS must have been carrying to get his contract terminated. I mean, I would think he'd have to have trafficking amounts...still, if we could wring the drugs out of him, I'd take him on our roster in a heartbeat. I don't think this is the end of his career in the NHL..of course, the LA Times article yesterday kind of makes him sound like he's on hit away from imploding.

tdchi


Sat Aug 29 2015 7:24 am EST

stevielegs - you bring up a good point, re: the caveman...and he ain't done squat for us... I look at some of the teams the Oilers had and four championships seems like not enough. Certainly, you can't discount a coach with four rings...but if/when Sather moves to the great humidor in the sky, will we be saying the same thing?

tdchi


Sat Aug 29 2015 6:47 am EST

Stevie...have to agree. RIP Al, you were a helluva coach. Potvin still sucks, but I begrudging tip my hat to you...

WIOSA


Sat Aug 29 2015 3:43 am EST

a caveman coached the oilers to their rings?.....have to give credit to the coaches and gms of any dynasty, even the fixed one for the hab nots ......and the players for being a TEAM...potvin et al suck...something nyr fans can only dream about.....someday in the far off distant future.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 28 2015 7:34 pm EST

Vic - I think you, RF4L and I agree on one thing, which is that the Rangers have been senselessly frittering away draft picks...but your other point? Man, there are only two players I can say the Rangers traded/put on waivers over the past decade that I would say I even remotely regret...first is KORPIKOSKI for LISIN(and FWIW, Lisin at the time was a very promising prospect and though I really hated losing Korpedo, I was pretty psyched at the time to get Lisin)...and the second was WEISE, who I always liked in Hartford...and incidentally, both guys were basically chased off the team by one John Tortorella...but in the Rangers limited defense, both are bottom line players...so it wasn't like they lost what the Bruins did in the SEGUIN trade...I digress though...bottom line is that since the SAVARD trade, the Rangers have actually been VERY savvy in holding onto prospects that have value and jettisoning those who don't...just a few examples...they got rid of SANGUINETTI for a draft pick that is now Jesper FAST...clearly, advantage Rangers...the moved WEREK for LINDBERG...and while the latter still hasn't cut his teeth in the NHL, Werek is officially a bust..worthless...They parlayed HORAK into ERIXON, who was then moved for NASH...both the former players are busts....and as much as I bag on Nash, he's contributed more at the NHL level than either Horak or Erixon...I guess the one verdict that is still out is DUCLAIR...but TBH, I think we'll look back on him like we do GRACHEV and THOMAS to name a few...certainly in the Smith era, there was a wholesale liquidation of talent that showed a lot of ignorance on the Rangers' behalf...but the one thing Sather has actually done quite well is evaluate talent. Very few he's cut the rope on have gone on to do anything, much less at the NHL level.

tdchi


Fri Aug 28 2015 7:08 pm EST

Not to tarnish anyone's memory or piss on any graves...but a goddamn chimp could have coached some of those Islander teams to a championship. I'll give Arbour some credit because you simply can't ignore a guy with four cup rings...but he coached in a different era...a more talented era...but he was, TBH, the last Islander coach who brought that team any success. RIP. Potvin sucks.

tdchi


Fri Aug 28 2015 1:47 pm EST

Have to admit.......not a big fan of Arbour..............never forget him walking off the ice and not shaking hands after that infamous OT game, with old Herbie(the losing Coach) standing in the Zamboni door shaking hands with the Fishsticks one by one.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Aug 28 2015 1:27 pm EST

may the fishstinks win the cup when arbour comes back to life......

stevielegs


Fri Aug 28 2015 12:24 pm EST

In a moment of respect and reflection I posted the following comment to the article that I thought was fitting as a Ranger fan: Great coach...R.I.P....Potvin Sucks...Let's Go Rangers! Agree?

RF73


Fri Aug 28 2015 12:14 pm EST

BREAKING NEWS: Longtime NHL coach Al Arbour dead at 82...Al Arbour, who coached the New York Islanders and was the NHL’s second-most winningest coach, dies after battling a lengthy illness, the team says

RF73


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:53 am EST

RF4L: Totally agree. And one of the biggest reasons for the lack of real leadership in management is the fact that most organizations are run by former players. That is why Sabermetrics took so long to make its way into professional baseball and is still dismissed by many in MLB. Guys who have been brought up in the sport have been conditioned to think within the parameters of that sport's traditional thinking. The thought of doing something different or evaluating things differently never crosses their minds because "that's not how we do things" rules their lives.

Vic


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:52 am EST

stevie: Yes, the last few years have been bountiful, especially compared to many of the others. That doesn't mean one should accept with closed eyes stupid decisions made by management.

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:50 am EST

stevie: Good point on both kids - last year was the time to give them several games and even, if required, the up and down treatment (which both Kreider and Miller experienced). Now it's too late. It's behavior like this that often ends up in an asset being jettisoned for essentially no return. I get the need to keep the end goal in mind (winning) but who gives a crap about the Presidents trophy - it's the booby prize if it's not accompanied by a cup triumph. AV should know that, too - his Canucks won it 4 years ago and came up short in the POs...

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:50 am EST

Regardless of the good and bad moves the results have been very good compared to most but not all of the last 75 years .... One more hill to climb ....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:46 am EST

Big Mac deserves more than just training camp to prove if he belongs .... Veenknow blew the chances to bring him up to get some real nhl experience , now he has to keep him up for at least 20 games of playing .... Same with Limburger .... They should get similar treatment as jitters and kid k without the option of sending them down .... Until the light turns on or they decide the next moves...

stevielegs


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:26 am EST

Vic: Those type of moves require a combination of guts, honesty and foresight, something many GMs (not just Sather) in all professional sports simply don't have. Either that (or in addition to) they are handcuffed by interfering unknowledgeable owners.

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 11:04 am EST

RF4L: Exactly. And I won't dredge up that argument again either but it is exactly what OLA is talking about as well.

Vic


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:48 am EST

5-hole breakaway goal by Buch yesterday....http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/pavel-buchnevich/the-goal-pavel-buchnevich-scored-yesterday-in-the-khl/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:45 am EST

JFC: Yes it's McI's spot to lose unless AV already has made his mind up about the kid (which ultimately is my concern).

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:41 am EST

Vic: Agreed - it started with the latter years under Smith and then has continued on and off (mostly on) since Sather arrived. McDonagh is truly the only example of the opposite. And let me add something more to the level of frustration: They have had a couple of fabulous opportunities to move veterans with expiring contracts when it was obvious the team as it was built at those particular instances was going nowhere (re trade high) but elected not to do so. I know you know what I'm referring to and IMO those non-moves have served to hold the franchise back as much as any of the youth for veteran deals we've seen.

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:37 am EST

RF4L -- agreed....I think it's McI's roster spot to lose. No doubt, the Rangers want him to do well in camp. Even if he simply battles Diaz to a draw, the spot will go to McI because Diaz has flexible options and Wrath does not...plus, as others have pointed out, he brings something different to the team. Again, even if AV really doesn't see him as a good fit for his system, the Rangers can still raise his value by giving him a good sample of games to show that he is an NHL-calibre player without hurting their season record/standings. If he sucks in camp, then all bets are off....and rightfully so. They will not hesitate to,cut him loose if he can't get his act together at this stage in his career.

JFC31


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:29 am EST

Vic- Yeah. I mean, I do think they have done well in many cases. But you do kind of miss at least one of those trades where we like give up a valuable piece but really get something of value in terms of futures back. Like Boston trading Kessel to Toronto getting all those picks, or that trade "ish" if you get what I mean. At a smaller scale at least.

Ola


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:26 am EST

JFC: Why do you think I get so frustrated at this organization? Management has been driving me crazy for the last 20 years because all they seem to do is "buy high" and "sell low". That is this organization's MO and it amazes me that they have had the relative success that they have enjoyed over the last few years despite the rank stupidity of that their moves. They are in love with buying guys who are at the peak of their cost. The end result is we always get veterans on the decline. They trade away prospects and picks either too soon (before they have established themselves and have low value) or too late (after they have proven that they can't cut it). Once in a blue moon they pull off a great deal like the McDONAGH deal. But, most of the time they are on the wrong side of the ledger.

Vic


Fri Aug 28 2015 10:10 am EST

The bottom line for me is this: McI appears ready to take the next step and unless he really stumbles in camp, he should be on the Ranger roster when the regular season starts. For me it's acceptable even if he's the 7th d-man because 1) he means he's a Ranger 2) injuries are inevitable and he'll get playing time sooner or later 3) if he's not on the club he's either in Hartford (as a bust) or patrolling another team's blueline. In other words, it appears at this point he'll never make it to Hartford, meaning if not on the Ranger roster, AV (and along with him Ranger management because they ultimately have the power over important decisions like this) has blundered badly.

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 9:58 am EST

JFC: Yes, but it happens all the time and there is a myriad of examples. One that comes to mind immediately is Korp. He even spent time with the Rangers and was traded away for what can be best described as a project. Jessibust is another. So in Montoya. The similarities here are all were first rounders and except for Korp, they ended up being busts. Busts are busts regardless of how much time and effort organizationally is spent developing (or trying to) them. So is McI a bust? This, arguably, is his make or break camp. If he does well and AV (for inexplicable AV reasons) doesn't want him, he should be a tradeable commodity. If he struggles, he probably isn't and back in Hartford he'll go (as a bust). All that said, even if he's tradeable I concur putting him on the market will be selling low because the Rangers will be out of options and opposing GMs will know that and therefore, barter accordingly. My guess at this point is that if he's traded before the season starts, he'll fetch, at best, a 3rd rounder and probably something lower. Bottom line for me is that if the organization decides he's not worthy, it matters little how much time and effort and $$ have been sunk on him. He'll be gone.

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 9:34 am EST

Former LA Kings Mike Richards was arrested for posession of a controlled substance. He will be signed by the NY Rangers by midnight.

rangerlou


Fri Aug 28 2015 9:18 am EST

If you think of a teams approach to its young players as being similar to making an investment in a stock, then I think the idea of McIlrath being exposed to waivers would basically be like selling a stock low after investing a lot of money into it. The Rangers have invested a lot of money into the development of McIlrath....he was a first round draft pick (and probably got a nice contract/signing bonus), he got injured and they invested in his rehab, they've had Jeff Beukeboom (a guy with many of the same assets as Wrath) give him personal attention to help his development, they've given him #1 status on defense in the AHL. Unless he completely sucks in camp, I do t see how the Rangers would simply toss all that investment away so,that another team could get him for,free and possibly reap the benefits of all the investment they have made in him. That would be like buying high and selling low. I don't care what AV thinks and I don't think Gorton will either....you don't waste millions of dollars simply because the coach wants a different "style". At the very least, you give the kid a chance to show thatnhe has NHL chops so as to,raise his value as much as possible before you trade him. If that involves using McI as a 6-7 D platoon and putting him in games against opponents against whom he will have a better chance to thrive, that's what you do.....give the kid a chance to,shine and gain confidence. Then, if you don't think he really fits your long term plans, at least you have a marketable asset that can get you a decent return on your investment. And you never know, Wrath could then actually shine brighter and rise the the occasion better than you thought and he becomes a keeper. But, you don't just toss himawan after camp in favor of freakin' journeyman Diaz. That would be absolute asset mismanagement and incompetence.

JFC31


Fri Aug 28 2015 7:42 am EST

TD: We are more aligned on McI than you think IMO. Where we differ is our perceptions on AV's take on him. Perhaps organizationally your opinion is accurate (that is they like him and believe he's got what it takes to succeed in the NHL) but I'm not so sure on AV's stance here. I will happily admit I'm wrong if he makes the team coming out of camp. I'll also be pleasantly surprised. And greatly relieved. As I've said before, him getting jettisoned, especially if it means to another organization, will be for me, a shitty-ass way to start the new season. I realize it's difficult to criticize him given the Rangers achievements since going behind the bench, but I'm not totally sold on AV - yes he's a good coach, but does he have it him to guide a club to the holy grail? And of course I'm not implying McI is the key to the Rangers cup aspirations. My concern about AV we've discussed on here numerous times - historically his guilty of questionable roster moves; cutting a worthy McI would be yet another one of those. We'll see in the next several weeks......

RF4L


Fri Aug 28 2015 5:04 am EST

Bottom line veenknow has to figure out how to get Big Mac into the lineup and make him a nhl d man, even if he has to dress 7 d like he did in game 7. What he does with the 4 th line in doing that he can have fun deciding . He figured out fast Hayes and jitters so this is his next rookie project along with Limburger . In the cap bs coaches have to find ways to get young inexpensive guys onto their roster and play them . The vet fodder can handle being black aces. Let's see what the gorton fisherman decides on roster size vs the sather concept . The right way is to start the season with 23 . I just hope they stop the 40-50 man preseason concept. 30 should be more than enough competition and getting the 23 ready for game 1 instead of game 10......

stevielegs


Thu Aug 27 2015 11:48 pm EST

RF4L - see, I just look at it differently. I saw his promotion last year as a way for the Rangers to get a barometer for where he was at...KOSTKA was(is) a throwaway...no long-term prospect there...and frankly, that's another thing I've noticed about AV...he seems to use the first month of the season like an extended camp...he seems to regard those games as just a slight bit less pointless than the exhibition games...I mean, for crying out loud, he was starting MSL at CENTER for the first 10 games of the season. IMO, Mack was brought up to give AV a better feel for where he was at developmentally...and TBH, he belonged in the AHL back then. He came back to Hartford and was a determined player...and by the end of the season, it showed...I hate to sound like a broken record, but this isn't Eric CAIRNS...he's a talented kid...just a project. I understand the skepticism, but think if the Rangers had even a fraction of the doubt that gets voiced here, he would have been moved already. There are plenty of teams that would take a big-bodied explosive hitter like that. I think Mack is being given a chance to make the team and three scenarios are at hand...first, is that he wows and lands sixth defender position...KLEIN ends up in a new zip code...second, he makes the team and DIAZ ends up in Hartford...third is that they sour on him and he ends up traded after the first exhibition. He's not going back to Hartford, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Aug 27 2015 11:06 pm EST

I don't think that AV has made any real decisions. He has a few slots with some competition and manageable salaries so I think if McIlrath could make it I think they'd be very happy. It'd give them some options. What I find interesting is how McIlrath is such a topic of fascination amongst many New York Rangers fans all summer long. I don't know where he is developmentally. Some say he's come along nicely. Great. Would be nice. I'd certainly rather have him as a 6-7 then Diaz. If he looks anything remotely like his previous sniffs? Can't see where he has a future with team because as has been noted there is a pretty good prospect who might be coming along sooner then later. McIlrath needs to be looking over his shoulder.

E


Thu Aug 27 2015 9:25 pm EST

TD: We'll see. He was cast aside last fall when AV elected to ignore McI and kept playing Kostagoal despite the fact that McI wasn't an issue in his own end. A coach who believes in a kid, especially a kid who's spent 3 years in the AHL and brings to the team something it's lacking and no one else in the entire organization has, would be all over the opportunity to get him in a stretch of games. AV appeared to be all about ensuring McI got minimal icetime. I am merely going by what I saw when I express my skepticism about things being different this fall. I am not doubting your opinion (and York's) that he appears to be ready for the next step - I just think AV has made his stubborn mind up about McI and the kid is in tough to get a fair shake from the coach. I sure hope I'm wrong...

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 9:24 pm EST

Re:McIlrath...the comment about moving him to 4th line RW was meant to state that you go out of the way to get this guy minutes one way or another... As of now I'm of the mindset that the big kid will platoon, fill in when a dman gets hurt, and perhaps against certain teams as the coaches gauge the roster matchups... Next season he becomes he full time regular and considering how the club has nurtured him along thus far, this would continue the consistency...if he blows the doors off the barn in preseason and the coaches have tough time sitting him, we'd have a damn good dilemma.....

mf


Thu Aug 27 2015 8:46 pm EST

I can't wait. He adds so much of what we don't have, it's ri"god-damn"diculous!! Watch this. https://youtu.be/nes7BCBufjM

hipcheck


Thu Aug 27 2015 8:35 pm EST

LOL, This discussion of moving MCILRATH to wing got me thinking, who else would look good with a position change? How about MCDONAGH as a Power Forward? --- I predict MCILRATH's big shot from the point will stand out and get him noticed. He might even gatner a PP2 look. Also, this kid is a long legged bastard... Just like HAYES, he can skate, he just "looks" a little slow. Hell, I would give him a look planted right on the top of the crease in front of the net as well.

hipcheck


Thu Aug 27 2015 8:10 pm EST

mf - Gotta agree with the majority here: No way AV plays McILRATH at forward. If that thought had even crossed the minds of the Ranger brain trust, he would have been taking shifts there in Hartford...The thing that continues to baffle me is that I get this sense people here think Mack is just some knuckle-dragging monosyllabic-speaking troglodyte...that all he does is fight and the rest of his game is pedestrian...and that couldn't be farther from the case. The kid is a genuinely good defenseman and he hits with impunity...his two top issues...speed and decision-making....have largely been resolved. I said this before, I'll say it again: He's no slower than Dan GIRARDI...in fact, he's a little bit like a big Girardi who can also fight...the other thing that confuses me is this insistence AV doesn't like physical players and shuns anyone who fights...well, he didn't seem to have any problem skating Kevin BIEKSA back when he was with the Canucks...and that guy LOVED the physical aspect of the game...I mean, look at some of the names on the Vancouver roster from when AV when to the finals there...it's like wall-to-wall dirtbags with a few prancers sprinkled in. If Mack can play D, Mack will be in the lineup. Simply put.

tdchi


Thu Aug 27 2015 7:53 pm EST

Not sure which Rangers you guys have been watching this last couple years but there are very few players who walk on the team no matter what their play is like in pre-season...the last couple years they've set up battles for roster spots that have really encouraged guys to dig deep...the guys who don't...well...they don't stick around too long...case and point: LOMBARDI and MALONE...to the naked eye, both looked like shoe-ins to make the team...Lombardi because STEPAN went down and he seemed to have the inside track on third-line center anyway...Malone because he had size and something to prove...And then I'd be remiss if I didn't mention MILLER too....not because he didn't try...but because he simply couldn't make it all connect to justify a roster space...AV opted to slide a guy who was fighting for a spot on the roster to the center(HAYES) than keep either of the other options, because both didn't seem to click...and on Malone...he decided to keep DUCLAIR, who had a great camp...and after Duke got benched, FAST...than dress a guy who had lost a step and simply couldn't find a gear to keep up with the rest of the team...To me, AV is all about options...he's not like Torts, who played favorites and would demote a guy just because he didn't like something about his game...This year, he's got a whole hell of a lot of options...this ain't gonna be a camp for anyone to rest back on their laurels...As far as I can see the only guys up front who are set are NASH, STEP, BRASS, ZUCC and KREIDER. Rest of the lineup is up for grabs...defense, it's McD, GIRADI, STAAL and YANDLE...Agree with E, if Mack can't beat DIAZ, then he deserves what he gets, which is a trade or a trip on the waiver wire...I have full faith, however, he'll be on the roster to start the season. Might take a few games for him to get in...and I also agree there's a chance AV dresses 7 D...but I'd say there's a slim to none chance he gets cast aside for no reason...and slim just left town.

tdchi


Thu Aug 27 2015 6:46 pm EST

They'll give McIlrath will be given every chance to make the team. If he cannot wrestle a spot away from Diaz then that's all you need to know.

E


Thu Aug 27 2015 4:48 pm EST

If McI fails to make the team it'll be a real downer regardless of where he ends up. If it's the Pack it means he passed thru waivers whicb in turn means no one wants him and it'll be time to officially consider him a bust. If with another NHL team (via trade or waivers) it'll mean the Rangers misjudged his value. I dunno which will bug me more. The latter however, will not make me very fond of AV.

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 3:44 pm EST

My guess is that the Rangers don't really have long range plans for McILRATH. They know if they send him down he will get claimed. I think he will be here in camp competing for the 7th spot with DIAZ. If YANDLE and BOYLE show that they can do a better job of running the PP then they did last year I think DIAZ gets cut in favor of keeping McILRATH around because he can bring something nobody else on this team can. If there is an injury during camp McILRATH probably gets a shot during the first few weeks of the season to show he can be a good NHL player. If he does then it will be interesting to see how the Rangers handle it when everyone is healthy. If McILRATH can't beat out DIAZ, or YANDLE and BOYLE look lost again on the PP, my guess is that McILRATH will be dealt before the end of camp.

Vic


Thu Aug 27 2015 2:48 pm EST

The way McIlrath will learn how to play in the NHL is to allow him to play in the NHL... A preseason prophesy from ........ APCCMOTCJC.... :-)

mf


Thu Aug 27 2015 1:23 pm EST

Rf4l until Veenknow wins the cup he's just another coach trying and learning. A little cod liver oil won't kill him .... Again more tough shit ..stool softener ... Lol....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 27 2015 1:15 pm EST

stevie: Yep, I concur 100%. We'll see, however, where AV's mind is at.

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 1:12 pm EST

Rf4l he will learn to play in the nhl if Veenknow knows what's good for the both of them . He proved himself in the ahl after his serious injury . He's ready for the next step . The coach should get on board or face the consequences .... No gm should put up with insubordination ...alias tough shit Veenknow ...is that tough enough?

stevielegs


Thu Aug 27 2015 12:56 pm EST

stevie: We are in agreement on your take on McI and I know plenty of others on here feel the same way. The 2 question marks are 1) his ability to play at the NHL level and 2) AV's willingness to put into his lineup a player of McI's ilk. Given what those who watched him several times last year are indicating, my thinking is that the answer to question 2 is way fuzzier than that of question 1 and if it's true, it doesn't bode well for McI. We'll start finding out in a month or so...

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 11:53 am EST

Not going to worry about it right now , but Veenknow should . He better give Big Mac a fair shot and keep him on the roster unless he crashes and burns . The kid will get this team to be grittier than they have been . Why else would they give him the broadway hat after his nhl fight game. The players like having a guy like him around even in the pc bs of the nhl ...just hope he doesn't fight any teammates this year.... As sather said they can never be tough enough.... Platooning him to rest Boyle Klein and girardi will be a good thing , and trying him in glass' spot he'll contribute to strengthening this team's swagger . What he can bring has been sorely missed in getting this team to the cup... Bring on the sandpaper ....kick some fishstink cryer Debbie playpen et al ass....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 27 2015 11:28 am EST

mf: If McI proves capable of playing bottom pairing defensive minutes yet gets cut regardless, I concur that AV's job should be in jeopardy. I also would find it pleasurably ironic (if he's cut despite being worthy) to see him come back to NY and pound a bunch of Rangers into oblivion. Yes of course that would bug me but not as much as the fact that if it happens it's because AV and company let that situation occur.

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 11:18 am EST

I cannot envision AV putting McI up at forward, for a variety of reasons, including: 1) McI has little experience as a forward 2) AV favours speed on all 4 lines 3) Playing there would be for one reason and one reason only - goonery which we all know AV abhors 4) AV doesn't appear to particularly like McI and putting him at forward would likely be to keep him on the roster and that's not something I forsee AV having any interest in doing - McI, I think, has to make it difficult for AV to cut him from the backline. If he doesn't, I suspect he's gone.

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 11:08 am EST

Let Big Mac play 4th line RW if you got to get him minutes.. Ditto, hope he gets a fair chance, a very fair chance, and if it turns out he's not AV'S kind of player, fire AV!

mf


Thu Aug 27 2015 10:36 am EST

stevie/NYS: Where will McI fit? 7th d-man, unless injuries hit, at best. Of course, injuries usually occur, as they did last year when both McI and Kostagoal were in the lineup. I just hope AV gives the kid a fair shake. McI has paid his dues - he's been a good soldier and if he's ready to make the big step, he needs to be given the opportunity to show that.

RF4L


Thu Aug 27 2015 8:52 am EST

No way he gets traded unless he really bombs in camp/ early season. I doubt he was give top pairing minutes in the A to be just let go. I could see it if he was terrible in Hartford and in and out of the lineup but all the info I have read, that is not the case.

NYStranger


Thu Aug 27 2015 7:11 am EST

I doubt sather lets Big Mac get traded or waived. Veenknow will get his marching orders along with ulf-a , make this kid an nhl player . I think they will even play him sometimes as 7 th d and sit glass' ass .

stevielegs


Thu Aug 27 2015 4:48 am EST

I don't see Big Mack making the team either. I am hoping that they trade him out west. I would hate to see him pounding our incredible prancing princes for the next 5-10 years for the Flyers, Islanders or Bruins.

Bob


Wed Aug 26 2015 10:40 pm EST

RF4L - I just don't see Big Mac making the team no matter how he plays in camp....The first six are set and trash heap Diaz is an AV type of player, especially as a number 7...Leaving zero room for McI...Question will be whether the Rangers trade him or stash him in Hartford..Best thing to hope for is an injury to Boyle to start the season to give Big Mac a chance..Or maybe that just opens the door someboidy else (Skeji?? Stoner (gulp))??) in addition to Diaz

Hospo


Wed Aug 26 2015 10:06 pm EST

I don't know how Boyle got relegated to tweener status. Granted, he is not gonna be your 82-game guy any longer but he had a good playoffs by and large. Problem? Offense? (crickets) He had some good games. The New York Rangers best and most effective defenseman in the TB series was Yandle who seemed to finally settle in and find how to get his offense going without getting himself on too many safaris that sent his teammates scrambling. I watched a condensed version of game-4 vs. TB. Holy crap was Yandle good in that game.

E


Wed Aug 26 2015 9:27 pm EST

Hip: I like those pairings but Boyle isn't about to be pressboxed. Neither are any of the other 5. Unless there are injuries, McI is not gonna make the opening night starting roster. He just isn't. Question is, will that be precisely to AV's liking (meaning he's finally gonna leave the Ranger organization)? I fear yes and if/when it happens, it'll be one shitty-ass start to the Ranger season for me.

RF4L


Wed Aug 26 2015 6:26 pm EST

WIOSA - I don't think you have anything to fear until the Isles find someone to play between the pipes and/or get a better second pairing D. TAVARES is a beast, but he can't do it alone.

tdchi


Wed Aug 26 2015 6:24 pm EST

E - Had the Rangers lost...say...HUNWICK and BOYLE, I'd say they could have closed out the Bolts with four defensemen too...I mean, KEITH was an absolute rock for the Hawks...but if I'm not mistaken, none of their top four defensemen went down...Big difference playing four D when it's your top four D...Rangers had their best defenseman with a broken foot, another in their top six with a seperated shoulder and I can't remember what YANDLE was suffering, but he was playing through something that would have kept him out of a regular season game too...injuries are part of the POs...and I think you COULD argue that the Rangers played a wee too much rope-a-dope with the Capitals...who they really should have closed out earlier...but the injuries they suffered...I don't think there's a team deep enough in the NHL to survive that.

tdchi


Wed Aug 26 2015 4:58 pm EST

New D pairs: .1)-McDonagh & Yandle, .2)- Staal & Girardi, .3) Klein & McIlrath. (Sub- Boyle). We will wreck teams with this stable.

hipcheck


Wed Aug 26 2015 3:12 pm EST

they're a city team

WIOSA


Wed Aug 26 2015 3:09 pm EST

I need an intervention or something. I keep having this recurring dream. That team in Brooklyn? The one that used to play on Lon Gisland? Wins the cup...and since their a city team now, they have their parade in the Canyon of Heroes. Oh lord I couldn't bear it.

WIOSA


Wed Aug 26 2015 3:02 pm EST

Vic ...LMAO, god you might be right, after all this is the New York Rangers....and we wont talk about Hanks "soft spot" ...he's our one true superstar. I cant wait, this is taking forever. I feel like there are a LOT of question marks this year. Of course I thought that in the beginning of last season, funny I thought the one thing we had no problems with was our top line...hey we had Nash and MSL. No problems. Nash of course ok, the other ran out of gas half way through the season. Just goes to show ya never know.

WIOSA


Wed Aug 26 2015 2:51 pm EST

WIOSA: Maybe that video isn't showing how good HANK looks, but rather how bad of a shooter STALBERG is......;-)...........And really, shouldn't HANK be practicing how to save soft backhand shots from the high slot???? Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm getting restless waiting for the season to start. God the month of August sucks........

Vic


Wed Aug 26 2015 2:31 pm EST

So close I can almost feel it.....actually I didn't know these two knew each other.. http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/8/26/9210845/henrik-lundqvist-perfect-in-practice

WIOSA


Wed Aug 26 2015 11:19 am EST

TD: Chicago also played the finals with 4-defenseman. But I also point out that Marty St. Louis was out of gas. I simply don't think the New York Rangers had the horses to get over the next level. So it is... New season almost upon us. I'm wondering if the New York Rangers are gonna become a team that doesn't find that extra gear during the regular season and instead comes in 5-8 and causes damage in the post season.

E


Wed Aug 26 2015 9:17 am EST

When a team loses a top-six forward and has its best defender badly hobbled, there's no amount of coaching that will get you out of that jam. Admittedly, the Rangers could have rolled the dice and scratched McDONAGH and started the seventh defender...but really, the Rangers were cooked either way. You can't lose someone like McDonagh and still compete in the finals. I mean, imagine Duncan KEITH was playing game seven of the conference finals with only one wheel...and the Hawks were without HOSSA...guess what? Anaheim goes to the finals. Zucc made it a really steep uphill battle. McD was the nail in the coffin. No amount of coaching could have changed that.

tdchi


Wed Aug 26 2015 7:43 am EST

I concur that AV makes some perplexing roster decisions. He did it in Vancouver, too.

RF4L


Wed Aug 26 2015 7:38 am EST

To me it's all about veenknow and his staff and the gm and his guardian angel with his unfiring boss . If they can't get to the finals and win it , than that's where the problem is. Even with all the injuries if the coach made better decisions they would have faced Chicago .

stevielegs


Wed Aug 26 2015 7:14 am EST

Canadian dollar at .75 cents US - more cap pressure pending....

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 9:42 pm EST

TD: Re McI - yep and if he's cut it'll be very amusing if/when he comes back and pounds the church-mouse type Rangers into submission.

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 9:40 pm EST

mf: Giordano is gonna be 32 and that deal doesn't kick in until next year. Unbelievable...

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 9:19 pm EST

A comparable salary to Yankle Yandle? http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mark-giordano-signs-monster-6-year-40-5-million-extension-is-norris-trophy-next/

mf


Tue Aug 25 2015 9:18 pm EST

Hopefully Big Mc will be fine, Ulf & company will ease him into games based upon platooning & injuries, and next year he'll being a regular. Maybe Boyle signs a real cap friendly deal as our 7th d'man.... No, that's not gonna happen, Boyle 's going to retire at the end of the season as a Stanley cup champion with the Rangers.... yeah, that's the ticket......

mf


Tue Aug 25 2015 8:29 pm EST

WIOSA, -- LOL, as usual I'm half-joking and just venting a little. :-) If MCILRATH doesn't platoon with BOYLE this season it will be a miscarriage of justice. ;-)

hipcheck


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:53 pm EST

hip....unless he sucks, then come back

WIOSA


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:53 pm EST

hip....unless he sucks, then come back

WIOSA


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:19 pm EST

If MCILRATH winds up in a Philadelphia, Brooklyn, New Jersey, Washington, Pittsburgh or Boston jersey, I'm f#cking done with this Team.

hipcheck


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:12 pm EST

Columbus is pretty bad-ass. The big issue with that team is they have so many guys who have a very documented tendency of injury...but if DUBINSKY and MURRAY stay healthy...And BOBO does as well...watch out...and I wouldn't rush to say they're all bottom line guys....watch this kid Sonny MILANO touch down. Kid has mad skills..and then to see what SAAD does with JOHANSEN. No doubt, Columbus will be a boom or bust club...I suspect they'll be in the top three in the Metro though.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:08 pm EST

RF4L - I will be shocked if they cut McILRATH in camp...I know I probably sound like a broken record here, but if they were that down on him, I think he would have been moved this summer...and I'm sure there's not an exec in that GM office thinking they'll be able to sneak him through waivers. The minute the Rangers give up on him, there will be a line of teams that will take a chance and keep him in the NHL for a half season. Mack will have to have an epic collapse in camp to end up cut, IMO.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 6:52 pm EST

Brooklyn

WIOSA


Tue Aug 25 2015 3:05 pm EST

Hospo: Agreed on the Caps, but their defense they didn't address and with the subtraction of Green, it's reasonable to expect it to be even slower this year. I'm not sold on Holtby either, although I'm certainly not prepared to write him off. He had a fine season last year but I want to see something more sustained before deciding he's totally for real. This is an important year for him I think....

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 2:56 pm EST

The BJs have weaknesses all over the place. The addition of Saad is significant, assuming he can handle the pressure of being one of the two go-to guys offensively, but after him and Johnason, the forwards are all bottom 6ers with the possible exception of Foligno who until last year had never scored more than 18 goals in a single NHL season (meaning 30+ goals again this year is hardly a sure thing), unless one of their talented rookies can step up. On defense there's no 1) number 1 stud 2) top shutdown pairing 3) offensive QB. Finally, Bobo remains a bit of a wild card. That isn't to say the team is lousy - they have forward depth and generally play hard consistently. However, to be a threat in the east, a bunch of things have to come together.

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 1:55 pm EST

E - Regarding the Caps..yes, they still have a few physical players...but if you look at their roster turnover and likely players, they have made a determined effort to get faster and more skilled.....In is OSHIE.......BURAKOVSKY and KUZNETZOV will be prime players.......and out are three banging forwards in Brouer, Fehr and Ward..As for the BJs, I honestly don't give them a second's thought despite having physical players like Hartnell and Dubinsky, they are always a mess....But even they reached out for a fast, skilled player in SAAD to team up with Johanssen..They know they need more skill and scoring..

Hospo


Tue Aug 25 2015 1:40 pm EST

HOSPO: Columbus and the Caps. These are not exactly soft teams either.

E


Tue Aug 25 2015 1:28 pm EST

Hospo: That's what he should do - it's a rather important aspect of pre-season.

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 1:23 pm EST

RF4L - true indeed about the Big mac decision...Still, I'm more interested in the 3rd C-W spot..and who he gives chances to..But it's a similar situation..Will he give players a little more rope to prove themselves in pre-season?,....Anyway, we'll see in a month or so..

Hospo


Tue Aug 25 2015 1:15 pm EST

Hospo: Re roster decisions: As we've mentioned on here so many times previously, one very interesting pending decision revolves around McI - if he proves worthy in camp, will AV cut him anyways? That wouldn't at all be surprising to me, which lends more credence to Allen's criticism.

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 12:56 pm EST

E - Personally, I think the East has become a wimpy, skating/skill conference (maybe only the Isles bucking that trend) so really, the size and strength shouldn't really matter all that much and the Rangers should be fine...That being said, I'd rather wait till late september to see how AV is going to deploy/select his forwards, especially at the Center position becasue I agree with the ALLEN character criticizing some of AVs roster strategies.......besides, anything said now will be said a 100 times over before October 1st..

Hospo


Tue Aug 25 2015 12:37 pm EST

Ahhh...found a similar article on the western teams - so he's predicting, in a roundabout way, no cup winner!

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 12:34 pm EST

Not that it means much and I'm not posting this as a way to get others to slag Kevin Allen, but he has an article posted covering why each eastern team won't win the cup (and I'm not sure if that's meant to imply he expects a western team to win - I am anticipating he'll produce a similar article covering the western teams). His reason for the Rangers not winning is something I've not seen before and a bit thought-provoking IMO: "Misuse of assets. (See Martin St. Louis last season as a top-six forward.) This is a Cup-caliber roster. Using Dan Girardi as the second defenseman and Tanner Glass regularly on the fourth line, with other better options at coach Alain Vigneault's disposal, will ensure another one of Henrik Lundqvist's prime years is wasted."

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 12:26 pm EST

SCHNEID: You will here very little argument from me about the strength of the team at pivot but Nash, CK, Hayes, Miller, and now Etem. I dont wanna go down the individual skillsets but this is not a small team by any stretch. And when we term "PF" I would argue that both CK and Miller are classic in that role. Both are very physical, play with an edge, and can get to the net. And I think subtracting MSL, and Hagelin you are a bigger team. Now we can argue all day long about impact-ability, upside, whatever. But the only place I might complain is that they lack size in one of the top-6 pivot slots. They even added Stoll to the bottom-6. This is not a small or soft team. It is not perfect by any stretch. I'd like to update the physicality overall but I'm not worried about a NYR team that gets pushed around as much. I'm more on RF's end of the equation in that I question the overall talent as a unit to get it done. They are deep in the sense that they can get production top to bottom but they don't get the kind of production that you need to see. Too often I think the defense, Lundqvist gave them a gem to work with and the offense just didn't give them enough support. CK has to be a 30+ goal scorer for them to win. JT has to take the next step. Yandle (who I think many in NYR land completely have no idea how good he is) I think is going to be a serious impact player off of the blue-line. I just have now seen a highly skilled but not particularly big and physical Chicago team tick off another cup. I saw an LAK team that was super mean and physical win a few cups. I saw a TB team that featured a great combination of assets go to the SCF. I saw a speed team in the NYR in the finals. What is the winning formula? I don't know anymore. I used to be fully subscribed to the big-meanie philosophy but I've also been shifting to big, moderately mean, but balanced. I mean, I think the NYR are probably a top-6 player from being a real strong contender on paper but I also do not overrule the chance that they may go right back to another ECF and maybe another cup run then who knows? More and more I think the writing on the wall is how a team utilizes its assets. Last season, I saw worts. The pivot situation was ugly at times. They offset it with some rather elaborate set plays. That wont happen this season. They cannot reinvent the wheel too many times. The PP continued to suck ass at key times. Etc... Now? This team? They could be the best unit yet. I have no idea thus far. But at the minimum I know this. They are starting out as an elite unit. One of the best squads personnel'wise in the NHL. All the potential to put perch themselves as one of the 3-5 best teams in the NHL. Then? April is a long way from now. We'll see what they are about. They have some intriguing prospects, the on ice product is good, the coaching is very good. Whats next? I don't know. Call Tanner Glass.

E


Tue Aug 25 2015 9:57 am EST

RF4L - two things I think you're missing: first is that neither MILLER or HAYES are too far off from the production I mention. Miller especially, since the bulk I his points were score at the end of the season. In an 82-game year, I see him putting up AT LEAST 40 points. Ditto with Hayes. These kids will have a whole season in the lineup with established roles. That does wonders for a kid's production. Second: the 'dreaded sophomore slump' could end up being the exact opposite for an NCAA grad like Hayes, who had his first season ever playing as many games as he did. Some here rightfully noticed his slow down in the playoffs and I think that was a factor of fatigue. At most, the kid previously only skated 60 games in a year. now he's skating almost 100(which, BTW, is absolutely insane)I suspect we'll see a much more adjusted Hayes this season as he gets used to the rigors of the NHL season. JMHO.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 9:23 am EST

schneidw - couple things. ZUCCARELLO has a lot of intangibles to his game that aren't necessarily reflected in his numbers. The guy is constantly creating offense simply by virtue that he's a little buzz saw. His departure from the lineup had a MAJOR impact on NASH and essentially threw out second line(arguably our first line) into turmoil. As good as FAST, HAYES and MILLER were in the post-season, there was simply no replacing Zucc on that line and have it be as effective as before. It's impossible to go into the late rounds of the playoffs and hope to generate chemistry on your too line in short order. And it's not just the Rangers who would be in that situation either. Take a top six forward off of any of the final four teams and they'd have a very tough time pulling everything together...so in short, Zucc's absence was less about the numbers HE would have put up and more about the numbers he helps his linemates put up...as to your second point...the Rangers are NOT a small team by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, the only real 'small' players in the lineup are Zucc(who plays bigger than most power forwards) and FAST. All the other forwards are basically over two bills. Hayes, Kreider and Nash all qualify for big boys. ETEM and Miller both tip the scales at 210. Even Step and Brass have decent size. And while I don't expect to see many of them drop the gloves, none of them are soft. Not even Step, who gets maligned here often as 'soft' but yet still has no problem digging the puck out of the corners. And just an FYI on LINDBERG: he's a decent sized player who plays with a big chip on his shoulder. When Lindberg is engaged, he's not taking guff from anyone on the ice. In fact, he's the kind of player that will be taking your number and making sure your face gets an up-close-and-personal meeting with the glass. I think if he gets a regular role with the team, you'll change your opinion quickly about him playing small...not a PF by any stretch, but he doesn't shy away from the physical side of the game at all... Sure we're not as big as the Ducks and Kings. But only one of those teams has a cup recently...and that happens to be the team that didn't even make the playoffs last season.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 8:59 am EST

TD: IMO, that's highly optimistic. You're envisioning Hayes to not only ignore the dreaded sophomore jinx but spit in its face and Miller to double his output from last year. Here's my take on your projections: I think a more realistic prediction is one of those 3 does what you're projecting...

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 8:53 am EST

schneidw: Agreed - I like MZA a lot but to figure he is/was the difference between being eliminated in the semis vs winning a cup is really stretching things IMO. I also believe, as I've been posting all off-season, this team after Nash, lacks a legitimate top 6 scoring forward and is arguably their single biggest weakness. They couldn't score against the Kings 2 springs ago and couldn't score, except for a handful of games, all thru the POs this past spring. Unless Kreider takes the next step, I see no reason not to expect more of the same this year.

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 8:48 am EST

RF4L - kinda hate to put number out without knowing where each of those players will end up in the lineup...but...I'll say this: I see Kevin HAYES as a 50-point player...easily...maybe even 60 points...you all know how high i am on MILLER...I would expect at least 45 points...probably more in the range of 55, depending on his line...FAST to me is the biggest mystery because he has alot of untapped offense. I could see 40 points out of home too, but not if he ends up on fourth line...KREIDER is in a make-or-break period in his career. I see him an Hayes going neck-and-neck in the scoring race. In short, all four of these guys showed they have a too gear that we didn't see during the first half of the season. I expect big things from all four.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:40 am EST

SMURFS 2: I know there are some WALLSTERs that agree with me (HOSPO?) that a lineup with no power forwards to speak of (maybe Kreider somewhat fits the bill), the NYRs are a failed concept... I am glad to St Louis retire, Hagelin to get traded, but the NYRs are filling their positions w more tiny players like Fast, Bourque, LIndberg.. its a failed model of teambuilding IMHO... Anaheim adds Kesler, LA adds Lucic, you get the idea...

schneidw


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:35 am EST

JFC/TDICHI/E: If I may jump in and pose a different question as a voice of reason.... If losing ZUCC and his measly 15 goals and 33 assists in 78 games first line minutes was the downfall of the NYRs, is that systematic of a bigger sickness which has plagued the NYRs since TORTS, which is a total lack of goal scoring at clutch times and on the powerplay? In all seriousness, ZUCCs lowly numbers reflect the bigger problem which is the NYRs are ineffective at getting in deep on the forecheck and creating turnovers and opportunities because the refs don't call interference in the playoffs and the smaller NYR forwards can't/won't fight thier way through the traffic... I like the NYR speed game, but its not built to win the CUP... CHI, LA, BOS etc that have won CUPS all have size up front and big power wingers that create havoc...

schneidw


Tue Aug 25 2015 7:32 am EST

TD: Care to put some numbers to 'break-out' for FAST, MILLER and/or HAYES? I concur with your second point - that Kreider is due for a 30+ goal season and I've been saying that (along with my musings that the Rangers are counting on it, too) for a while. At the risk of being repetitive, which tends to happen during these boring August days, I think a significant part of the Rangers success hinges on it. This team desperately needs someone besides Nash to be a dangerous goal scorer. Scoring by committee is all fine and good but simply doesn't get the job down once the chips are down. I see no one after Nash other than Kreider on this team having the capability of being that (which is why I was clamouring for Taylor Hall - or someone like him - during the June draft days).

RF4L


Tue Aug 25 2015 6:56 am EST

Ola - I think our advantage is our defense. Player for player, we have the best D in the league, bar none. The only team that comes close is the Preds...I think the addition of YANDLE was a bit of a disruption to the status quo back there and the team as a whole never made a full adjustment...He's one hell of a player to add into the mix with 20 games left in the season and I don't think they ever fully utilized his offensive prowess...I think going into this year we'll see both forwards and D alike relying more on Yandle to distribute the puck...and your right: It's tough losing a line every year to the cap...I was kind of angered by the last-minute roster tinkering in 2013-14...the CALLAHAN trade, which lead to basically BOYLE and STRALMAN beating feet...part of me wished they signed all three and punted their cap issues to the next year by moving some lesser contracts...doing the math once, basically with the players they signed/acquired(ST. LOUIS at $5.6 mill, Dan BOYLE at $4.5 mill, GLASS at $1.4 mill, STEMPNIAK at $900,000) the could have kept the guys they had(Cally at $5.8 mill, Stralsy at $4.5 mill and Brian BOYLE at $2 mill)...POULIOT and DORSETT would still be cap casualties...but ultimately replaced by MILLER and FAST...maybe resign CARCILLO instead of Glass...think the team would have been in better shape(and we'd still have two first rounders)...but alas, Cally wasn't going to get into the top six and you simply can't pay that kind of money to a third liner...anyway, I digress...agreed, it would have been nice to add a top six player to the mix we have...but I fully believe we're going to see one emerge from our youth next season...I think one of FAST, MILLER and/or HAYES is going to break out...also see a 30-goal season coming from KREIDER...if we get TWO breakout years from that group, the Rangers will be sitting pretty.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 6:38 am EST

Vic - I don't think anyone is comparing BRASSARD to MESSIER...puckyou is simply saying he's not over the hill...and as a comparison...that we won the cup with a 31-year-old center...I know this is a young man's game, but 28 is FAR from over-the-hill. Some players don't get their careers rooted until 26 or 27...Brass also has a game that I see helping his longevity. The guy has incredible hands and just overall good vision...I don't think your assessment of him matches the reality...ever since he set foot on the Rangers his trajectory has been going up, starting with scoring 23 points in his first 25 games in a blueshirt...he and ZUCC have very good chemistry together and I only see that dynamic improving with time...as for this 1A and 1B stuff again...man...I just don't get it...I understand and agree with you that recent cup winners...basically the Hawks and Kings...have had very dominant centers lead the charge...guys that can pot goals...and you're right: STEPAN and Brass are not cut from that cloth...they're going to need wingers who can score to win games in the post season...but I don't see them as an obstacle to the Rangers winning the cup...they're two very talented center who, despite what you say about Brass, are both very defensively responsible....the Rangers might not be taking the most conventional mode of team building, but they certainly have a good crew up the middle...very difficult to call them weak at center and I feel that's what you're implying here.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 6:16 am EST

Bob - Congrats man! Is he playing USHL? Agree, re: BRASSARD. He's always been a very talented player...personally, I think he was rushed into the NHL and was really under the microscope to be a top-line center in Columbus...NTM he lost almost a whole year of development to the shoulder injury he got fighting NEAL his rookie year...getting traded to New York did wonders for him because he got to start fresh...didn't need to be the top guy and could finally get to a place where there's reasonable expectations.

tdchi


Tue Aug 25 2015 6:09 am EST

E - Certainly the hobbled D...McDONAGH in specific...was a major contributing factor...but A LOT of the Rangers' offense was generated through ZUCCARELLO and his creativity...in short, I don't think its a coincidence that NASH and BRASSARD both had career seasons on his line...the team had to work twice as hard to score goals after he went down...and while I did forget about the injuries on D...all we needed were six goals to beat Tampa...Zucc was a key player. His loss was monumental.

tdchi


Mon Aug 24 2015 5:38 pm EST

RF4L No Kidding! The other day I nearly (but only nearly) watched a *baseball* game for crying out loud :)

LeoS


Mon Aug 24 2015 4:55 pm EST

E, hmm, that's a lot to ponder. Yes we were built from the goal out...and it shows. It showed in game 7 as well. 2 Goals against in a game 7 ECF playoff game is not that shabby. What was shabby was 0 goals for the team with home ice advantage,..or for any team. I do think Zucc would've added that spark. Despite injuries our D was good.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 24 2015 4:43 pm EST

Anybody watch CH24 (Canadians), Behind the B (Bruins), Becoming Wild (Wild) & In the Room (Penguins) on NHLNETWORK, or Road to the Winter Classic (Blackhawks & Capitals) & Road to the Stadium Series (Kings & Sharks) on NETFLIX, or Hockey Wives on YOUTUBE? All excellent behind-the-scene, reality docs. Unprecedented access, my favorite is a three way tie between Becoming Wild, Hockey Wives & Behind the B. I love watching the game day rutuals, the off season workouts & how they travel. Wish they would fo another one with The Blueshirts.

hipcheck


Mon Aug 24 2015 4:38 pm EST

E -- the loss of Zucc led to a domino effect up and down the lineup. Yes, the defense ended up getting severely compromised, but the lack of offense largely caused by Zucc's injury, gave the Rangers defense and Lundqvist absolutely no room for error. They had a lot of trouble scoring goals in the playoffs after Zucc was out. No way to know if we could have won the Cup with him in the lineup, but his loss prevented us from having our best chance. His injury was devastating IMO....1st line player, PP unit member....without him Nash & Brassard struggled and we were forced to use a washed up MSL in way too many situations.

JFC31


Mon Aug 24 2015 3:50 pm EST

TDCHI: I don't think the presence of MZA would've made a difference. They were getting offensive support for the most part but I think the team that was built goal line out just had a defense that ran out of legs. Health played a role.

E


Mon Aug 24 2015 1:02 pm EST

Drop the puck! Plllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeee!

RF4L


Mon Aug 24 2015 10:38 am EST

Greetings from Asheville N.C.. IMO Brassard has the best slapper of all our forwards... I wish that some of that would rub off on Stepan, Nash, Kreider, etc....

mf


Mon Aug 24 2015 9:39 am EST

Been lurking mostly all Summer. Spending my time getting my kid ready to go away to juniors in the U.S. For the winter. It's big boy time for him. On Brassard........the guy was very good last year and I see no reason he will not continue to be. If Nash scores 40 goals Brass will pass 60 points. Does wonders for a centers stats when they have a finisher on their line.

Bob


Mon Aug 24 2015 7:48 am EST

I think we could've beaten the Hawks last season. One of the two teams I feared facing (Kings, Tampa) beat us. Tampa and Chicago are not the same, don't play the same game. I think had we gotten past Tampa, we would've beaten Chicago.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 24 2015 7:22 am EST

HIPCHECK: Too bad BRASSARD doesn't bring that compete level out of the locker room and onto the ice. PUCK: If BRASSARD was my 2nd center behind TOEWS I could live with him. But that isn't the case here. He is the 1A/1B center on this team and is woefully lacking as a player. Personally, I'd take STEPAN over BRASSARD but both are nowhere near what history says you need in your #1 Center to win a Cup. And there simply is no comparison to MESSIER in terms of age or anything else. MESSIER played in another era where older players could play a bigger role. The speed of the game wasn't even close to what it is today. But, even at 43 years old MESSIER was producing offensively what BRASSARD did through his mid 20s. He will be 28 years old in a month. I'm betting he never hits 60 points again in his career. I can easily see him being out of the league by age 34 if not sooner. Once he loses a step he is done. He won't be able to produce at even a 2nd line center level and he is no value as a 3rd or 4th liner because he brings nothing to the table defensively or from a faceoff perspective.

Vic


Mon Aug 24 2015 6:25 am EST

tdchi- Yeah, I think the future is positive too. The rich have a "good shot" at getting richer in this league, and from my POV we have to screw up a bit to loose the position we are in right now. However, to actually win a Cup I think it will take something more. The frameworks all teams have to operate within is so thight and really hampers the development of a team, that if one team one year can find some way to take advantage of a certain circumstance to their advantage, they become really hard to beat. Take Chicago for example, diveded over Hossa, Versteeg, Sharpe, Keith and Crawford's front loaded cap circumventing contracts, they had a pay roll that was around 10m over their cap hit. TEN MILLION. If we had 10m in extra cap space last year, we have a really really good shot at winning the cup, we have last years team and Stralman and Pouliot, for example. That gives us insane depth. Look at Tampa Bay. Really roughly counted, the roster they had last year will make say around 30m more in 2-3 years. They basically have to resign EVERYONE on their roster save for Cally and Stralsy. Thats their advantage. They will have a ton of casualties in the coming 2-3 years. But up until last year, they could keep the team they wanted together and only ADD to it every year. A Filpulla here, a Callahan there, a Stralsy there. Compared to us we lost 2-4 core players per year during the last 4-5 years. Every year in camp we have a new 4th line, a new PP, a new PK, new D pairings, now top lines or whatever that have to be built up from scratch mostly because players left as FAs or were traded. You know, you want a reason for why Tampa could be "perfect" defensively in G7 while we fell a part a bit both defensively and offensively, I think that's the biggest reason right there. They had one roster together for 3 years, we have our roster together for a year. MY POINT is this, sure I think our future is positive too. But we wasted those days when our kids were cheap on Torts. WHATS GOING TO BE OUR ADVANTAGE THAT GIVES US AN EDGE AS BIG AS CHICAGO OR TAMPA HAD/HAS? Cause we got to expect that every year, to win a Cup, we will have to beat a team that really has found a way to "that" year ice a really really really competetive team.

Ola


Sun Aug 23 2015 10:15 am EST

hipcheck - Totally agree. While I'm not so sure they would have beat the Hawks, had ZUCCARELLO been in the lineup, they would have at least made the finals. I know its vogue here to bash the Rangers...but all I see is a team with enormous upside. The only team in the east I fear is Tampa...and that's because eventually DROUIN is going to wake up...and when he does, that lineup is going to be scary...But pound-for-pound, I think the Rangers' squad is one of the best. Just a very deep team with the NHL's best defense and netminder. Can't go wrong there...I think the key to next season will be where MILLER, FAST and HAYES pick up. I think all three could be in for breakout seasons next year.

tdchi


Sun Aug 23 2015 9:05 am EST

Vic - indeed we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this. I recognize what you're saying about HAGELIN and yeah, the guy is defensively sound...but it doesn't change the fact he's a third liner who generally plays around 15 minutes a game. That was his role on the Rangers and as good as he was at he, he wasn't going to be worth $4 million per...NTM...and I alluded to this when DUCLAIR was dealt too...The Rangers are pretty stacked in the top six...and there's a good chance BUCHNEVICH ends up there in a year...so Hags wasn't moving up in the lineup any time soon...he just doesn't have the skill to play a top-six role effectively, IMO...but we'll find out next season...I highly suspect the Ducks have in their top six...maybe he pulls it all together and lands himself a 50-point season...but I suspect what we'll see are numbers not too far from his historical averages.

tdchi


Sat Aug 22 2015 10:18 pm EST

Great video, hip!! It shows all the things that crazy hobbit can do. Gotta agree with you....the Zucc injury doomed our Cup hopes last season. I knew it when it happened but I held out hope for a miracle. Time to get back at it....this team has 2 more years left to get it done.

JFC31


Sat Aug 22 2015 11:57 am EST

Hey JFC31,-- "ZUUUUUUUuuuuuuu"!! lol, :-) Great jersey choice, love it!! He's a team leader, and a throwback' heart & soul player. We are in the cup again if he doesn't get hurt. Period. End of story! Watch this: https://youtu.be/rkrHn9ufPeU

hipcheck


Sat Aug 22 2015 11:42 am EST

I remember a lot of games where BRASSARD was our best offensive player. I've read that his compete-level & desire to win is only rivaled by LUNDQVIST in the room.

hipcheck


Sat Aug 22 2015 10:55 am EST

PUCK...I like Brassard too, but I don't think he's better than Stepan. Brassard has little to no defensive responsibility. When Nash is on his wing, it's Nash that takes up the defensive part....FWIW I really like the players on this team (Im ambivalent about Kreider) I wanted to add ONE top six power forward to replace MSL and stay status quo. Instead we added Stoll, and Etem and lost Hags. Sheesh. Let's see what happens.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 22 2015 9:23 am EST

Vic- I don't know why you a railing against Brassard. I actually like him better than Stepan- if I had to choose between the 2 of them. He is a tougher player than Stepan, who doesn't disappear in the playoffs when the hitting and interference is at its peak. He can play with any winger and is a good 2-way player. He is underrated in my opinion. As for his age- 27 is hardly over the hill. We didn't get Messier until he was almost 31 I believe.

puckyou


Sat Aug 22 2015 8:46 am EST

mf -- that's good news....I just got a Zucc jersey for my birthday (don't ask!) and since he's got a no-trade clause for 1 season, it won't cause him to be traded and it's good for at least a year! :^)

JFC31


Sat Aug 22 2015 7:45 am EST

(For any Wallster who may have gotten a "Zuccarello" jersey recently, or not) .......Rangers forward Zuccarello ready for camp: Vigneault........ http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=41007&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Sat Aug 22 2015 7:35 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/the-20-best-free-agents-who-could-hit-the-market-in-2016/ ...........http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/nordiques-closer-to-reality-as-nhl-invites-quebecor-to-phase-iii-of-expansion-process/.........

mf


Fri Aug 21 2015 7:26 pm EST

*thank

NV94


Fri Aug 21 2015 7:25 pm EST

WIOSA- thanks god!!!!

NV94


Fri Aug 21 2015 5:14 pm EST

Woo-Hoo less than a month to go....

WIOSA


Fri Aug 21 2015 1:16 pm EST

TD: Like I said, we are going to have to agree to disagree on HAGS. We value him as a player differently and we see his contributions differently. You keep wanting to fall back on measuring him by offensive production as a comparable. If you do that you are missing 60% of HAGS game and what makes him special. As for BRASSARD, I've never liked him or been impressed with him. Even last year despite his Career Year offensive numbers he was way below average defensively. His penchant for lazy shifts and failing to pick up his man, especially after losing a draw, always drives me crazy. He has NO upside. He turns 28 next month and is already started down the back 9 of his career. The numbers that he put up last year (vastly inflated by the PP) were the aberration in his career. I expect his numbers to drop back off to normal this year. As for the playoffs I can't really say who was the Rangers best player this past year. They won and lost by committee last year. Even the guys who had good games at times (including BRASSARD) were invisible in some and played poorly in others. A big part of the reason why they lost was they didn't have a player step up and carry them through. And, as many of us have lamented, they don't really have that kind of a guy on this roster. I will say this though......if at any time BRASSARD is your best player in the playoffs you have a team that is going nowhere.

Vic


Fri Aug 21 2015 7:14 am EST

my memory of pure-it-on is him doing the turtle.....

stevielegs


Fri Aug 21 2015 6:46 am EST

If we were to grade the performance of the brain trust the major miscalculation was not signing Strallman. Losing Haglin was minor compared to that move. We would not have Boyle or Yandle but picks and propects that could have been brought in to fill scoring needs .Hind sight is always superior to fore sight.

gene_carr


Fri Aug 21 2015 5:51 am EST

RF4L - Not to be argumentative, but there's a lot more evidence to support my thinking that the Rangers HAVE managed their cap well versus the opposite. I'm not saying they haven't issued some stupid contracts...rather they've managed to keep a very good core together for three years now and have taken that group to a conference final, the president's cup and the cup finals. You can say none of that matters because we don't have the cup...but over that period of time, there's been only one other team to exceed that success and that's the Hawks, with a conference final and a cup victory under their belt...And when you look at the players the Rangers have shed because of the cap, all of them have been players that are playing lower line or secondary roles(CALLAHAN, HAGELIN, BOYLE, TALBOT and even STRALMAN to some degree). Sorry, but the argument the Rangers are poor cap managers is one made with anecdotal evidence at best and really ignores the reality of the situation. In fact, I think its kind of funny that almost every time I read an article about how doomed they are('the Rangers won't be able to fit ZUCC...BRASSARD will want too much...STEPAN is as good as gone'), they manage to effect a signing with minimal disruption....Now I know some are up in arms about HAGELIN...but do YOU think paying $4 million over four years for a third liner is effective cap management? Now if you want to see poor cap management, then look at a team like the Flyers, which are always riding close to or over the cap but don't have squat to show for it. In short, if the Rangers are bad cap managers, then I'd love to hear your assessment of the rest of the league.

tdchi


Fri Aug 21 2015 2:27 am EST

Hospo- The camp the same year we picked up Orr on waivers from Boston, ie the the second year after the 05' lockout unless I am misstaken, Purinton got into that eye-thing with Orr in a pre-season game against Boston. IIRC.

Ola


Fri Aug 21 2015 2:24 am EST

Sad to hear about Purinton, sounds like he could do quite some time for that. He was reportedly a great guy and IIRC a friend of York. I think he had a bit of a biker family that maybe even had a HA connection unless my memory fails me...

Ola


Thu Aug 20 2015 9:39 pm EST

This is a pretty cool article... Ice hockey movement from China to.... Toronto.... to .... the Winter Olympics.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rudi-ying-and-the-inevitable-chinese-hockey-revolution/

mf


Thu Aug 20 2015 9:38 pm EST

TD: Well one might argue you're viewing the Ranger cap with the same glasses you think Vic is wearing!

RF4L


Thu Aug 20 2015 9:28 pm EST

We're back to the "glasses" are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97bMX7KV8d4

mf


Thu Aug 20 2015 6:56 pm EST

Vic - I think you're really looking at HAGELIN with rose-tinted glasses...The guy has never exceeded 40 points in his career...whether you attribute that to injury or line placement or lack of PP time, the fact is he simply hasn't reached that mark. I agree, he was a great forechecker all season and yes, I also agree his aggressiveness opened opportunities...but really, again --the guy was a third liner. Throughout his career, he's produced like a third liner...I think the expectation that he's going to suddenly explode with offense on the Ducks is just not fitting with reality...I could kind of understand if he was going from the Renney Rangers to the Ducks...sure...but he played for two coaches who had a very run-and-gun offense...Hags is what he is, which is a guy who will land you about 15 goals and 20 helpers and be one of your top penalty killers...valuable yes...invaluable? Not a chance...BRASSARD, OTOH, has exceeded that mark four times in his career, including twice with the Rangers...I'm not sure what your beef with him is, but he had an outstanding season last year and seriously, having watched at least 70 of last year's regular season games, I can say with little question that he earned the bulk of those points. He was also the Rangers' best forward in the playoffs. He's more talented and has a MUCH greater upside than Hags...He's the Rangers' second line center. If Hayes is going to join the top six, it'll be on the wing. I can guarantee you that...Brass is a very serviceable second line center and I tell you this: If the Rangers decided tomorrow they no longer wanted him, they'd have zero problem moving him...As for BOYLE, I'm not going to argue: His contract isn't great. And frankly, I would have taken STRALMAN for four years over Boyle for two...but what I slowly started to realize toward the end of last season is that Boyle WASN'T just brought in to be the PP point man...but for his playoff record...the guy really picked it up when it counted...and while I still don't think he's worth what he's getting paid, he's fit in really nicely with the blueline...now it's nice to play 'what-if' with FOWLER and the 2010 draft...well, what if the Rangers drafted Brandon GORMLEY? Both were cut from the same mold...both could have gone at number 10...but the latter is on his last legs with the Phoenix organization and is a lot closer than McILRATH to the bust moniker...And I'll also point out that Fowler, after a great offensive first season, really hasn't turned into some sort of epic puck mover...Good defenseman yes, but he's no all-star right now and on top of that, he's a lefty...And lastly, while I firmly agree the Rangers are putting themselves in a spot ditching three years of first rounders, they also have a farm system that is STILL averaging two NHLers a year...this year, we get to see LINDBERG and Mack...Next year, SKJEI and BUCHNEVICH...maybe TAMBELLINI...so we're two seasons away from really having issues with our feeder system, and lord knows what happens between now and then...so again, I really don't get how you can say the cap management is so awful and how they've screwed the team so badly...maybe in two years that'll hold true...but from what I see and from the tangible evidence we have, the Rangers are a very good team that are coming off two consecutive seasons where they were among the best in the league...in short, all the results simply don't add up to your postulation.

tdchi


Thu Aug 20 2015 6:25 pm EST

It should have been PURINTON, KLOUCEK & CAIRNS for a decade. :-(

hipcheck


Thu Aug 20 2015 5:14 pm EST

RF4L - True about his fighting ability relative to the "better" goons but the winning of the fight isn;t the big thing to me, it's the willingness to go with anybody and stand up for the team..Purinton had that in spades s well as the crazy/loco genes!

Hospo


Thu Aug 20 2015 4:35 pm EST

Hospo. As I recall he actually wasn't a very good fighter. At least not at the goon level he slotted into. I seem to remember it wasn't his fists that made others leery of him; it was his unpredictability when it came to over the top violent reactions.

RF4L


Thu Aug 20 2015 4:15 pm EST

RF4L - yeah, "The Animal" was one of his nicknames...Talk about a scary looking character....yikes!..Didn't he eye gouge or bite somebody in a fight also? But, hey, at least he stood up for his teamates!

Hospo


Thu Aug 20 2015 3:18 pm EST

Wasn't Dale Purinton's nickname the animal? He got busted for burglary recently and his mug shot is something else. Check out the story: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/dale-purinton--former-nhl-brawler--arrested-for-burglary-145636185.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

RF4L


Thu Aug 20 2015 7:16 am EST

TD: While HAGS has never scored 20 goals in the NHL neither has BRASSARD. Outside of last season (which was skewed because of his PP points) BRASSARD has been a mediocre 2nd line Center in terms of his production. He has been statistically not much different then HAGS despite the fact that he has always gotten much more PP time, and has played with more offensive players. I expect BRASSARD to be passed on the Rangers depth chart by HAYES either this year, or next year at the latest. Statistically, I expect BRASSARD to come back down to earth and put up his usual 45 to 50 points this year. As for salaries, in a league where the top offensive players make over $10 Mil per season I don't think it is a stretch at all to pay a top defensive player $4 Mil per season. And as I said earlier the real reason the Rangers have Cap issues right now is the fact that they signed BOYLE for 2 years. And the reason they signed BOYLE is that they didn't have anyone in the system who could play that role. And the reason they didn't is because they drafted a project (McILRATH) with the 10th pick instead of the much higher rated (and NHL ready from day 1) FOWLER at the 2010 draft. That, plus the other horrible youth/picks for veteran trades over the last few years, created the situation the Rangers were in right now, and will be in next year. IMHO too many people look at the HAGS deal and say "it was either trade HAGS or trade X". The Rangers should never have been in the position to have to trade an important player in the first place. In the end I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. You and I value these players differently and look at this entire situation from different perspectives.

Vic


Thu Aug 20 2015 7:04 am EST

And how exactly has the Rangers cap been "mismanaged?" They've managed to weather the off-season by essentially retaining the same team, sans their backup goaltender and a third-line wing --both of whom they could have kept had they really wanted to. They have the best defense in the NHL, bar none...as much as we bag on BOYLE, most teams would kill to have a one-two punch of him and YANDLE on their blueline...They've managed to keep a solid young core --11 of the 22 on their roster have three or more seasons on the team --that has taken them to the finals, two conference finals and a president's cup. And despite trading away pick after pick, the still manage to bring two fresh faces from the farm into the fold every year. Sure, there have been some questionable signings...I'd never pay $1.4 million for Tanner GLASS or $1.1 million for STALBERG...but these are bottom-line players who, in the grand scheme of things, don't have large enough contracts that they'd impact whether the Rangers sign a core player...the pieces of the core the HAVE shed are players who outgrew their roles on the team...Would have loved to kept CALLAHAN and STRALMAN, but guess what? Looking two or three years down the road, he or someone of his contract cost were going to need to be moved anyway...ditto with HAGELIN...And a guy like Brian BOYLE would have fit under the cap, but didn't want to stay in New York. Anyway, I'd love to hear you guys constantly accusing the Rangers of mismanaging their cap explain how they're doing this and how you can show it's harmed the team, both in the recent past and going into the future.

tdchi


Wed Aug 19 2015 10:57 pm EST

Vic - I'll preface this with my usual disclaimer, which is that I really liked HAGELIN...still do...he was among my favorite Rangers and like most here, I was very disappointed to see him dealt...but with that said, I think you're really blowing both him and the deal out of proportion on a number of different levels...first, Hags has never produced 20 goals in his career, bottom line or not...and while 17 is close, I don't see him suddenly exploding with offense just because he's on the Ducks...Hags scores his goals with his speed most of the time and TBH, I've seen better hands on a clock...next, I have no doubt if he was a quintessential AV player, he'd still be on the team...Was he important? Hell yeah. He was a part of the core for four seasons really...but at the end of the day, the Rangers deemed him expendable and I'm sure if AV said 'wait no, don't trade him' Sather/Gorton would have never pulled the trigger on the deal...Yes, indeed, his was moved in part because of the cap...Rangers were either going to lose him this summer or next summer...but there was no way they were going to pay $4 million-plus for a bottom-six player. Not too many teams in the NHL will...I'm positive they could have signed him for a bridge deal, but then what? The other assumption when this conversation swings to the so-called 'cap hell' the Rangers were in was that Hags was the ONLY player they could have moved...they could have moved just about anyone on the roster, save for the guys with NM/NT clauses...even them they could move. Or they could have easily moved KLEIN. Or YANDLE. Or any combination of young players. But in the end, they moved Hags. Why? Because ultimately they feel they can replace him...Same reason TALBOT was moved...not because he's a bad goalie. Not because they couldn't afford him. But because he was going to leave after this season one way or another...As for your point about defense, you don't win games 0-0 and if there was any takeaway from the playoffs, it was that the Rangers' popgun offense was simply not effective enough to bring them across the finish line. Can't win games without goals and what the Rangers lacked last post-season was goals. Now I'm not saying Hags was part of that problem --he was playing on third line after all --but he sure wasn't part of the solution. The other thing the Rangers needed was size...Hags plays a big game, but at the end of the day, he's still under 190...and that's soaking wet...as for how you're valuing Hags dollar-for-dollar against other Rangers...well, I just thing you're getting into a very complex argument there...but think about it this way: BRASSARD routinely outscored Hags and he secured a top-six position he hasn't relinquished. Hags had that chance under two coaches and always ended up in the bottom six. That pretty much says it all...I don't say this to imply Hags is a bad player...he's a very good addition and yes, I think Ducks fans will be happy...but he ain't worth $4 million per and he wasn't the heart-and-soul of the Rangers. There's just no quantifiable way to justify that conclusion, IMO.

tdchi


Wed Aug 19 2015 9:48 pm EST

stevie; I hope you're right! Neither were overwhelming...

RF4L


Wed Aug 19 2015 8:01 pm EST

As far as I can tell sather made the prince deal and the hagelin deal .....

stevielegs


Wed Aug 19 2015 7:19 pm EST

Rangers' McDonagh skating at full strength again Wednesday, 08.19.2015 / 4:38 PM By Dan Rosen - NHL.com Senior Writer / Over the Boards blog ........ http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=41025&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Wed Aug 19 2015 6:31 pm EST

RF4L...you're right of course. Time will tell, if he starts making boneheaded deals...then we know. I wasn't thrilled with the Hags deal at all..and I think he was in thick with it, BUT there was a cap issue. Im just hoping he does a better job. I get bored and go to youtube looking for anything NY Ranagers...found this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU48_ePes3A....I WANT HAGS BACK!

WIOSA


Wed Aug 19 2015 1:30 pm EST

WIOSA: Who knows? Sather's media avoidance bordered paranoia IMO and he went that way after getting lambasted (rightfully so) from all fronts when he made the Rangers the laughing stock of NA pro sports in the early 2000s. IMO, it was cowardly and contrary to what most GMs today feel is a mandatory part of their job (which is interacting with the media on a regular basis regardless of what they think of that responsibility). It's another thing that job for life deal with Dolans gave him - basically no boss. I think we know enough that Gorton was performing certain GM centric activities for quite some time - wasn't made clear IMO was which ones and when he became responsible for each. So we don't know, I believe, when he became solely responsible for key roster decisions associated to drafting, UFA pursuit, RFA resignings, and of course, trades. Hell, Sather never bothered to clarify what he'd been responsible for as president. What a nob he is.

RF4L


Wed Aug 19 2015 11:49 am EST

RF4L, maybe Im just being an optimist, but I the GM from the Ducks specifically said he dealt with Sather, as I said before, I have no doubt that Gorton was - at that point ready to take over and was onboard with that deal, but Im not so sure he was the GM all season long. I think he worked with Sather...could be wrong...but something tells me Gorton was not the final say until draft day.

WIOSA


Wed Aug 19 2015 9:58 am EST

Dog days of August relief, albeit hardly earth shattering: Buch gets an assist in a game from yesterday (guess it's exhibition, not sure) on a nice little move to keep the puck away from a forechecker before putting the disc right on the stick of his teammate looking to breakout. http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/pavel-buchnevich/pavel-buchnevich-picks-up-an-assist-in-loss-yesterday/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

RF4L


Wed Aug 19 2015 9:53 am EST

Vic: I concur with your stance that the cap hasn't been managed well and that if Gorton is the mastermind behind it and trades like the MSL one, then he's ridiculously over-rated (seeing as he's Sather's equal and Sather has accomplished so little over the past 25 years, which really is quite pathetic).

RF4L


Wed Aug 19 2015 7:54 am EST

I also wanted to mention that we are less then a month until "all bets are final". If you haven't gotten your picks in yet go to the site (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/20152016-picks/). Take a look at the 12 bets and then come back here and post which player you think will win each of the 12 bets. Scroll down a few weeks and you will see examples of others posting their picks. Again, this is open to regulars and lurkers alike. The more the merrier.....

Vic


Wed Aug 19 2015 7:48 am EST

TD and SCHNEIDW: Sorry, I've been away for a few days. I wanted to respond to your comments. First, I never said that HAGS was a better player then BRASSARD because they are completely different players. What I said was that HAGS (at $4 Mil per year) was a better value then BRASSARD at ($5 Mil per year) and I stand by that. BRASSARD is a better offensive player. He is a better playmaker and has a better, more accurate shot. But HAGS is better then BRASSARD at every other aspect of the game. HAGS is better defensively in terms of positioning and coverage. He is better on the backcheck. He is better on the forecheck. He creates more turnovers and mayhem then BRASSARD. He is more physical. He is much faster and quicker. He gives 100 percent effort and never takes a shift off. HAGS is the living example of the system that AV wants to play. When other teams talked of trying to neutralize the Rangers speed they were primarily talking about KREIDER and HAGS and how both players can create problems for the other team with their speed in all 3 zones. If we were talking about the Bruins it would be a completely different story as HAGS would be a fast player on a team that doesn't play a speed game. Keep in mind that while BRASSARD put up better numbers and played with linemates who put up far better numbers then the linemates that HAGS played with, HAGS destroyed BRASSARD in +/-. How could that be? The simple fact is that when HAGS is on the ice other teams don't score nearly as much as when BRASSARD is on the ice. The Rangers may not score as much either but the disparity in goals scored vs goals not allowed favors HAGS and not BRASSARD. The Rangers were once again one of the best teams in goals against. That, IMHO, is more important then goals for. It is a far better indicator of how good your team is. And HAGS was a big part of that. Defense still wins Championships. And, as we saw in the playoffs it is the team that scores first that usually wins. While it is important to score the first goal it is equally important (if not more important) to not allow the first goal. There is no player stat for that. It is lost in all of the statistical analysis. It is a critical part of the game and why top notch defensive players are undervalued. It is why the Ducks are happy to have HAGS at $4 Mil per year. They know he is going to produce around 20 even strength goals a year playing bottom 6 minutes with bottom 6 linemates. And they know he will be a difference maker defensively and a guy who will wreak havoc on the forecheck. And I want to sum it up by saying this....................The Rangers, who are supposed to be going for it, could not afford to lose a veteran, productive and important player like HAGS. They lost him because they have mismanaged the roster and Cap over the last 5 years. They made themselves weaker no matter how you slice it and it has nothing to do with ETEM. If they wanted ETEM there were other ways to acquire him that didn't involve trading HAGS. If the moves of the last few years were in fact orchestrated by GORTON then we have just gone from bad to worse in terms of the management of this organization.

Vic


Wed Aug 19 2015 7:33 am EST

Hipcheck.............re Cup............the Canadian Hockey Hall of Fame ..........would be my best guess ! I'm sure they keep track of it's schedule ....................

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Aug 18 2015 5:53 pm EST

Well at age 45, still playing a ton of pickup & beer league hockey year round, I think I've finally accepted I will not win' the Cup as a player, lol ;-) .... So I guess it would finally be okay to look at the Cup in person, touch the Cup, and take a picture with the Cup. My question is this, how does one do that? Does anyone know how to find out where the Stanley Cup will be appearing? Thanks!!

hipcheck


Tue Aug 18 2015 12:09 pm EST

Anybody know when the Rangers will be announcing their TCT roster?

RF4L


Tue Aug 18 2015 11:43 am EST

Woo-hoo!! Family just gave me a beautiful Zucc jersey and 2 tix to October 10 game vs. Columbus!!

JFC31


Tue Aug 18 2015 11:26 am EST

WILD - NASHVILLE is no longer a defensive grinding team, last year they were more an offensive skating team..Top half in GPG, one of the best in the game (3rd) at ES goals and shots..They did not hold back anybody's stats..Stalberg and Santorelli (who I couldn't care less about) did it all on their own....And OLA has Stalberg figured

Hospo


Tue Aug 18 2015 7:35 am EST

Tdchi- Yeah you make a relevant point for sure, could we even if we had tried to get Panarin or Tikhonov or Plotnikov? I think Panarin is a long shot, because Chicago really went hard after him and promised him the moon. Like you, I am also not the biggest fan of Panarin to be honest. Had he gone to like Carolina, I would have been very sceptical if you get what I mean. He is what he is, a small energy sniper that has feet that moves extremely fast and he is really explosive and can put the puck in the back of the net. But he is also really small and not a perfect 2-way player etc. However, for a good team like us I definitely think he would have done real well. He could be a success in Chicago if he comes in right there. OTOH, Chicago has a lot of competition too. You have that young Finn who is an offensive player and so forth. Tikhonov OTOH actually didn't even warrant that much interest. Panarin had to take a ELC. Tik was a UFA and could have signed any type of deal. As I understand it, some teams had interest in him but nobody went all in and hence he took a 1 year deal at 1 mil for a team he thought was a good fit for him. Plotnikov was another player in that situation. A team like Philly was in on him a bit. Nothing major from anyone, took a deal with Pitt that provided him with a good shot.

Ola


Tue Aug 18 2015 7:27 am EST

York- Yeah I agree. From my POV, I've more and more started to look for the right intentions rather than the perfect moves. If I am a Chicago fan, I would be very happy with my GMs summer. Most teams winning the cup or making the Final dissapoint the year after. Litterary a significant portion miss the POs the year after. Nobody have repeated in over a decade. Only Det and Pitt have made the finals concequtive years. Its really tough to stay at the top. It takes a helluva lot. They brought in a lot of fresh legs and potential in Tikhonov and Panarin. Could they fail? Sure I guess so. But if it works out perfectly, it gives Chicago a shot at going at it again. Not making those moves, I think its very likely that Chicago just don't have the energy to go at it again, not after loosing the players they did loose and given that the rest played in June and has a lot of milage which has shown a lot. But I am not a fan of CHI but NYR. What do we want to do and what will it take for us to get it done? Look, here I don't think there are any questionmarks. This year and the next we want to go at it and try to win a Cup. No doubt. Then what will it take for us to get that done? I don't think its any rocket science. We will need (1) luck. With injuries. With maybe not drawing the toughest opponent in each round of the POs. With bounces. (2.a) Kids coming from behind and really contributing for us. Like LAK got with the that 70's (show) line. Like Boston got from Marchand, Lucic, Bergeron and those kids when they won. Tampa had Kucherov and co on fire. Hayes, Miller, Fast, Etem, and co. We probably need one of these kids to really be on fire and be like in the top 10-15 in scoring in the POs and we need many of them to contribute a lot all over. (2b) We need depth signings to really play a big role for us. With 2a and 2b we could get that tremendous depth and production from all parts of the line-up that a team like us needs to get to win. In this sense I think we have to compare ourself to Boston and Tampa when they won, not Chicago/Pittsburgh that could build harder around a extremely strong core. So from my POV, I am a bit afraid that Gorton really has not had the necessary mentality this summer. Ie that he has "not" sit down and thought to win a cup we need "X, Y and Z", and the options we have to get there are "A, B and C" and going with C is in the Org's mind the best shot we are going to get. My impression of our off season is much more that we have looked at the team from a cover your bases perspective. We have a hole on the 4th line, who can fill that? Ok Stahlberg is a safe bet. We need someone young and cheap that can play since we lost Hags and MSL, ok Etem is a safe bet. And so forth...

Ola


Tue Aug 18 2015 7:27 am EST

Ola - I hear you. I guess I'm always hesitant to buy into the hype of the KHL's next big star coming to the NHL...especially those guys I've never seen play before...I mean, I totally read you on TIKHONOV...I liked the kid when he was with Phoenix and for $1 million? Absolute steal. The other two, however, I'm less convinced...statistically, they seem like so many other players who have come over here and done squat...but you raise a very interesting point: That both are going to get a chance along side some very good NHLers...PLOTNIKOV is supposedly going to be MALKIN'S wing and PANARIN is supposedly going to get a start in the Hawks' top six --maybe even with KANE if he's not in jail by that point. And I think that may be one reason neither showed a big interest in the Rangers. There's just no top six positions up for grabs...I mean, ZUCC-BRASSARD-NASH is probably a sure thing...then KREIDER-STEPAN is the other line...chances are pretty good HAYES is going to end up on the wing...and if not him, then MILLER...any of those Russians would be fighting for a third line spot...and even that's crowded: FAST, ETEM, STALBERG, LINDBERG and whichever guy doesn't make the top six...so really, fourth line was the only spot where there was space...if you're a mid-20s guy coming over from the KHL looking to make a big payday, the chances you're going to do that are so much higher with Kane or Malkin on your line than being centered by MOORE or Lindberg...just a suspicion, but if the Rangers did call them, I kind of doubt they bothered answering...Tik is the only one I could see signing here and that's just because his salary is guaranteed...no bonuses.

tdchi


Tue Aug 18 2015 7:17 am EST

schneidw - Glad to present a persuasive argument ;)...Personally, I try not to make a judgement call on a player until his mid-20s...I just think when a guy is between 21 and 23, there's still a lot of learning to be done...there are so many proteges in hockey that we often forget how young some of these guys really are...I mean, I know how mature(or rather immature) I was at 23....and maturing is tough for these kids that get bounced around a lot without ever getting a real chance to grow roots in one spot...I've said this here before, but I'm close with a beat reporter covering the Devils org for a daily paper and we had a long conversation about how the Devils basically messed with Stefan MATTEAU by promoting him so early and then bouncing him around in the AHL...he was a kid who REALLY needed to learn at the AHL level...not even remotely a sure-fire NHLer...and when they gave him a taste of the NHL, he thought he had made it...then when he bounced back to Albany, the blow to his confidence was crippling...started second-guessing himself and whatnot...with ETEM, you have a similar situation...kid drafted late in the first round...probably could have used another year in juniors, but instead goes from just getting by in the AHL to an NHL promotion to scoring five points in the 2012-13 playoffs to getting sent back to the AHL...I suspect that stalled his development...whether he ever rights the ship remains to be seen...but the kid has the tools to be a top-6 player...Not going to give any guarantees, but a little consistency can go a long way for a kid like Etem. Let's hope he makes us proud. And if he doesn't, then we can always Monday morning quarterback this trade.

tdchi


Tue Aug 18 2015 7:03 am EST

Anyone thinking tge Gorton era just began is in denial, and kidding themselves. Gorton by sathers own admission was the leader on trades on the phone with other gms to the other teams surprise. Gorton has his fingerprints all over this team and it's not a bad thing this is a team that wins a lot. As for the MSL deal over paid no doubt but without him no cup finals amd if Nash showed up the rangers could have hoisted the cup....,.,

York18


Tue Aug 18 2015 7:03 am EST

Anyone thinking tge Gorton era just began is in denial, and kidding themselves. Gorton by sathers own admission was the leader on trades on the phone with other gms to the other teams surprise. Gorton has his fingerprints all over this team and it's not a bad thing this is a team that wins a lot. As for the MSL deal over paid no doubt but without him no cup finals amd if Nash showed up the rangers could have hoisted the cup....,.,

York18


Tue Aug 18 2015 6:31 am EST

Wildcard- The problem with Stahlberg however remains, he is a safe bet for a 4th line if he can play with a good center like Dom Moore but he is not a very good hockey player. Stiff hands, no creativity, no passing game etc. Solid option but overall given the summer we had and what it will take for us to actually win a Cup, its a signing with very little potential...

Ola


Tue Aug 18 2015 6:26 am EST

Many high scoring KHL players have been brought to the NHL and not done all that well. But I think this is a completely different scenario. Take a Roman Cervenka for example. He is like a Mike Riberio copy, a Czech version. Nifty and good on the PP but can't skate. Two years ago Riberio out scored everyone from Malkin to Zetterberg to Toews to Kane to Kopitar and so forth, most by a large margin too. Just like that a Cervenka can outscore his peers in the KHL. But everyone know that like overall as a hockey player a Riberio isn't even remotely close to a Malkin. One play in 1/3 of the ice, the other 3/3. Size, skating, its on a different planet. You cannot look at the Cervenkas and co. when evaluating how a KHL player will do in the NHL. The absolute top talent still go to the NHL, and these scoring wiz players in the KHL are just so specialized to perform in that environment and make the most of it, that it probably takes a lot of work for them to adjust to the NHL. However, the last years probably around a 100-150 or so players have opted to play in the KHL instead of in NA. Some high end prospects, other kids that would have gone to the AHL to work their way up. Of thoose 150, most probably fail if they go to NA, but for sure 5-15 at least suprises everyone and some become very good NHLers. No doubt. From defensive defensemens, to 3rd line centers, to top pairing players and goto forwards. Its those players you need to look for when you bring players from the KHL. Players who are very good in the role they play. You need to watch that league to understand what I mean. There are for sure players like Fedor Tyutin, like Marcus Kreuger, like Patrick Hornqvist, like Gustaf Nyquíst and so forth in the KHL. Like undoubtedly. You do however need to know what you want, what you are getting, how to use it, how to bring it along etc.

Ola


Tue Aug 18 2015 6:08 am EST

tdchi- Nah, hold your horses. We would not have had to dump Zucc/Step to take any or even all of those 3 on board. They are making minimum money and bonuses can be deffered, if one of them end up winning hardware it puts us in trouble next year, but I mean, the same can be said about any player on an ELC. Like if JT Miller win the Art, Hart and Selke Trophy last year we have to trade Stepan too but its not like we decide to dump Miller because of it, is it? ;) As to the players, with these players -- like any other player -- its all about giving them a proper environment to perform in. But they are very good players. I don't know what roles Tik and Panarin will get in Chicago, depends on what happens to Kane etc. But I mean, Tik IMO -- and sure I could be wrong -- is definitely compareable to like an Evander Kane. He has an impressive tool box, he isn't some kind of Zherdev II in any way, not even remotely. Panarin in Palffy like in his style, think he has more boom and bust potential because he needs to be in a scoring role, but I wouldn't at all be suprised if he could establish himself as a 60-70 pts player. Plotnikov is also a very solid player. Fully compareable to like a Patrick Hornqvist looking at his complete game. To summerize, all 3 could potentially bust and not get it done, but I wouldn't bet on either doing it and I would actually bet that all 3 do real well in the NHL.

Ola


Tue Aug 18 2015 5:59 am EST

RF4L- I was against the MSL trade when it went down, a lot too. Remember arguing that he just was too old. Don't rememeber all that many other being against it but I am sure thats my memory as it now seems as if everyone hated it... ;) WITH THAT SAID, if I am to play the devils advocat, it is really really easy to complain on moves. Period. UFA signings. Trades. Etc. But -- alternatives -- are very rarely discussed. In hind sight, picking up MSL actually got us close. From my POV it comes down to this. Parity among players is bigger than ever. Very few players stand out and can make a difference. It is extremely hard to pick up difference makers. I mean, like I said, MSL turned out to be a difference maker for sure for us albeit not quite enough to get us a cup. So I've seen worse moves.

Ola


Tue Aug 18 2015 5:20 am EST

I have seen some stuff out there that says Santorelli (sp) took a statistical nose dive in part because he was playing in Nashville as if that team held him back...but the exact same people ripped Stalberg saying he was on Nashville and that's why his statistical nose dive was so bad......ummmmmmm....which is it Nashville helps guys stars or hurts them. Can't be both ways. I mean one guy nose dived and its "well he was on Nashville and that hurt him" the other guy does and it's "and he was on Nashville that's unacceptable "

Wildcard


Mon Aug 17 2015 9:46 pm EST

TDICHI- Damn! You really gave strong thought and present a compelling case to give ETEM a chance.,.. you convinced me! Well put, I like your optimistic crystal ball perspective better than my negative take anyways... cool..

schneidw


Mon Aug 17 2015 9:01 pm EST

If the GORTON era started years ago, then I'm worried about the lack of spin this man has. To stand by when you're supposed to be in charge while your antiquated boss makes a series of dumb-ass trades when you're being sought after by other teams is just plain sad. I sure hope this simply is not the case....

RF4L


Mon Aug 17 2015 8:34 pm EST

Santorelli (RHS!) signed for $875K....The Anaheim Ducks have looked to upgrade their speed this offseason. On Monday they made another move to add a fleet-footed forward, and they didn’t have to break the bank to do so. Anaheim announced it signed former Nashville Predators forward Mike Santorelli to a one-year contract. The deal is worth $875,000 according to ESPN’s Craig Custance. A former 20-goal scorer, Santorelli had 11 goals and 18 assists in 57 games with the Toronto Maple Leafs a year ago before a trade to Nashville doomed his value. With the Predators he scored one goal and added three assists in 22 games. Last season, Santorelli garnered a minus-4.9 SAT relative percentage, meaning his team attempted more shots at the opposition’s net when he wasn’t on the ice.

mf


Mon Aug 17 2015 8:15 pm EST

Ducks sign forward Santorelli to one-year contract.... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=777133&navid=nhl:topheads...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4779

mf


Mon Aug 17 2015 5:12 pm EST

Ola - fireable offense?!? Dude, check yourself. I'm sure all three are good players but seriously...it's not like any of them are stars. And aside from TIKHONOV, they have bonuses that could pay them up to $3.75 million. So you'd have to get rid of a guy like ZUCC or STEPAN just to be safe...and while I trust your hockey judgment, I'd bet dollars to donuts at least two of those three don't do squat in the NHL. Maybe all three. Good young players, but not sure fire all stars. I mean, Tik was pretty underwhelming when he was here. Those other two...well I assume there's a reason they weren't drafted other than the lack of transfer agreement.

tdchi


Mon Aug 17 2015 3:51 pm EST

Stranger, youre preaching to the choir. I know of no other sports franchise that has it.....TD hmmm, Gorton was being sought after by a few franchises (from what I'd read) so I find it hard to believe that he would take over the reigns of an organization, be responsible up front, but be denied the right to do trades????? I cant imagine he would accept that. I do buy that he was co-GM for this past season, putting in his .02 on all deals, but having to go along with whatever Sather ultimately decided on. I honestly think he came into his own when they said he did...during the draft. I do think he dealt Hags....and really cant fault him for it if he was given that Cap mess. So I think Im going to disagree with your hypothesis.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 17 2015 3:19 pm EST

The hard cap has to be the worst thing a sports league can implement when there are also guaranteed contracts. Total BS and the fans are the ones who suffer. Far from providing competitive balance for the league, it just brings all the great teams down to just above mediocrity. Buttman's henchmen can claim all the increased revenue spindoctoring they want but the league can not be helthy when the league has had to keep at least two franchises afloat for years, and provided some shady moneuvers to keep another of our "favorites" from folding. It is a sad thing when sports fans spend more time discussing salary caps, contracts, and steroids than the players and the sport itself. JMWO but I am not wrong.

NYStranger


Mon Aug 17 2015 3:16 pm EST

OLA - I hear ya..Combine what Gorton didn't do and what he did do (Etem/Hags, Talbot, Stalberg, Stoll) and I have zero faith that this "new" front office has a clue

Hospo


Mon Aug 17 2015 3:00 pm EST

I can speculate with some confidence that the MSL deal went down something like this. Sather tunnel visioned on aquiring him loosing out on numerous other possible trades. He kept holding out to the last moment looking to get the better of the deal, held out too long and panicked not wanting to go home empty handed and got used by Tampa.

NYStranger


Mon Aug 17 2015 1:57 pm EST

GeneCarr- Unfortunately the best prices bolted from the KHL this summer, two went to Chicago and one to Pittsburgh. We weren't in on them. I am not kidding when saying that should be a fire-able offense by Gorton. Can't believe we missed out on especially Tikhonov but also Panarin. Or missed out, didn't even throw a campaign to get them. Sickening.

Ola


Mon Aug 17 2015 1:13 pm EST

Guys, while I'd love to think GORTON is just now coming into the drivers seat, I highly doubt that's he case. Sather has taken a back seat for years. And you can tell too, because the style under which the Rangers have been governess is so markedly different that Sather's general MO...from picks, to how guys are moved through the organization to the signings...the only thing hat doesn't seem like it has Gorton's fingerprints on it are the trades...they seem distinctly Sather. The GORTON era started years ago, friends.

tdchi


Mon Aug 17 2015 9:56 am EST

RF4L: Looking at Gorton's first moves might start with the two scouting additions he brought on board. The guy from BU who is very up on the college prospects and the Russian who has an in depth grasp of the KHL which is in turmoil and will see many more defections.

gene_carr


Mon Aug 17 2015 9:15 am EST

Re: Gorton: outside of Hagelin, everyone is signed..

mf


Mon Aug 17 2015 8:52 am EST

WIOSA: Don't get me started on the MSL deal. The day it was rumoured I was against it and when it finally went down, I posted on here loudly about how stupid it was (and got lambasted on here by many who I thought knew better as a result). As it turned out, the trade ended up being worse than I originally thought because MSL lost it so quickly, he's now retired. I thought the Rangers would get at least 2 full seasons out of him. Sather did a good job of holding on to his picks and prospects from about 2004 to 2008, then started once again showing his incompetencies. Until this past regular season, the man has won nothing of note since the late 80s - the word mediocre IMO describes his tenure in New York to a T. Thank God he's no longer the GM. I won't rest completely when it comes to his influence however, until he's officially retired. I am also quite curious to see Gorton's first personnel moves since Sather left. Other than his UFA signings which aren't exactly barn burners, he's not done much. That isn't to say his Ranger FA signings weren't good - they were, but the bigger test comes when he starts to make roster changes...

RF4L


Mon Aug 17 2015 8:25 am EST

RF4L, agreed. The EE/Hags deal was a Duck trade, not a NYR trade. The Ducks approached and traded for the player they wanted and needed (theyre good but a tad slow). So they drove the deal.....That I understood, we needed to free up cap space, we were not necessarily looking for Etem. Will be a bonus if he turns into that top 6 power forward we need this year, but......The deal that still irks me was the MSL one. We were driving that deal, the Bolts needed us to take him,,,and we acted like it was the Bolts driving. Still irks me. Oh well, spilt milk and all that stuff. TD..you may be right, don't know what number Bourque wore in the AHL, but I noticed on the roster he has not been assigned another number.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 17 2015 7:59 am EST

TD: Agreed the EE/Hags trade might hinge on what sort of player Gropp turns out to be. That said, lost in the noise of this debate is IMO the fact that the Rangers also coughed up 2 picks, including the 59th, which means they gave up Hagelin, a 2nd and a 6th for EE and a 2nd. For me, right now (without knowing how the kids picked in those 3 spots will pan out) the Rangers lost the deal. I think it's reasonable to say that the Ducks know what they are getting with Hagelin, which is a very good 3rd line player with fabulous PK skills who can play in the top 6 occasionally without being a negative presence. What is EE? If he is no more than what he's shown so far, then Gropp had better be legitimate! For me, a more reasonable deal would have meant that 59th pick wasn't included. Hags and a 6th for EE and a 2nd seems much more even IMO.

RF4L


Mon Aug 17 2015 7:50 am EST

Is it just me or is this one of the most boring off-seasons for the NHL ever? The UFA period, while chalk full of names, suffered badly from a lack of big names (because clubs are resigning their top players well before they become eligible for UFA) and the tight cap is restricting player movement via trades. Other than the Kessel trade, no names of any significance have changed teams. Even the NHL's attempt to generate noise via a possible expansion of the league fell rather flat when only 2 organizations actually bothered to spend the energy (and rather large amount of dollars) to officially indicate their interest. Regarding the lack of trades, it's in the NHL's best interests from a PR standpoint to figure out how to loosen the strings, although accomplishing that and keeping the cap working as designed might make it an impossibility. So zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

RF4L


Mon Aug 17 2015 7:01 am EST

JFC/schneidw - Woah...NO comparing ZUCCARELLO'S skill to HAGELIN...the former has elite vision. We saw how badly the Rangers missed him when he was knocked our of the playoffs...notice how their offense basically welled up into nothing? Yeah...A LOT of that had to do with Zucc...he is the engine that drives the NASH-BRASSARD line. Hagelin was an important player and yes, he brought a lot of intangibles...but here's the fact: Two dynamically different coaches with two dynamically different styles of play both came to the same conclusion about him, which is that his place is on third line and as a special teams forechecker. I don't see how this keeps getting lost in this conversation. Hags was a good and important player, but he was a THIRD LINER. Zucc, OTOH, is a player who gets top-six minutes and makes things happen with them.

tdchi


Mon Aug 17 2015 6:54 am EST

WIOSA - I think the suggestion there is that STALBERG is going to be in the NHL and BOURQUE is all but assured a start in the AHL...NTM, if I recall correctly, Bourque's number in Hartford was 9, so I think 25 was just the number he was assigned during a temporary call-up.

tdchi


Mon Aug 17 2015 6:50 am EST

And just one more thing on the HAGELIN-ETEM debate...I really do get why people are so up in arms about the deal...Hags is a real lunch-pail blue-collar player who has and continues to work painfully hard for every minute he gets at the professional level...but what gets lost often is that almost all of his game is based on speed. Everything else in his skill set is fairly mediocre...the day Hags loses a step is the day he starts becoming ineffective...and while 27 is a far cry from 'old' I have to wonder how long he's going to have that elite jump...that explosive burst...the rest of his game is very meat-and-potatoes...he's not winning any skills competitions with his stick handling and we've seen how he can sometimes miss the broadside of a barn door with his shot...these are areas where Etem is an upgrade...size and skill...not AS fast...but still in the top tier of skaters in this league...Also, the REAL wildcard in the deal here is Ryan GROPP...he's the element that could make the Hags deal a coup for the Rangers. But we won't know how that pans out for a good three or more years.

tdchi


Mon Aug 17 2015 6:42 am EST

schneidw - I'm not sure if you caught the discussion here a while back, but the Ducks under BOUDREAU gave up on three very talented young forwards last year...the first was SMITH-PELLY..another 23-year-old forward oozing talent who was kicked around the lineup since 2011-2012...he was moved for an undrafted player plucked from the KHL the previous year...then just before the ETEM deal, they drop kicked Kyle PALMIERI --who, incidentally, is the guy I would have preferred in the deal --to the Devils after jerking him around between Norfolk, Syracuse and the NHL for four years. They gave up on this kid even though he was actually producing good numbers(ironically at around the same as HAGELIN)...Etem was the third...and just to put things into a little perspective before you call the ball on him...Hags at 23 had only one more goal than Etem...in fact, at 23, there were no guarantee Hags was going to make it to the NHL. Though he showed promise in camp, he was demoted to Hartford and wasn't recalled until, if I remember correctly, injuries forced a recall... So under the thinking that a 23-year-old player's body of work to date is the best determinate factor for his career aptitude...in other words, if the Rangers used this thinking...they should have traded Hags four years ago...but of course this is foolish reasoning. Players develop at different rates(for instance, there were a number of people here calling MILLER a 'bust' last fall) and while I'm not going to predict Etem will be a future all-star, he's got a boat load of talent...He's a skill player for sure, a guy who absolutely ripped up the WHL and then was a point-per-game player at the AHL level...Certainly, whether that ever translates to NHL success has yet to be seen...but when you have a guy who does that, it bodes well for his future. Another thing I'll point out about Etem is that he's in the power forward mold, and those are players who often take a little longer to develop. The guy is built like a brick $hithouse and, IMO, just needs to adjust to the speed of the NHL game to start putting up good numbers...and what he needs the most is consistency...In Anaheim, Boudreau barely gave the kid a chance...Here's a guy who coaches by committee and has a reputation for burying guys on the wrong side of his brain trust...Just ask SELANNE about that...I think in New York, he has a better coach and a better system, where he'll be given every chance to land a full-time gig...and it's not a matter of whether he'll make the team...but rather where in the lineup he drops...I've seen some pundits suggest he could fall into the Rangers' top six, even though I personally feel he'll be our third line wing...that kind of consistency in a merit-based system can do a lot for a player...and if all cylinders start firing, he could end up being a steal.

tdchi


Mon Aug 17 2015 6:05 am EST

Isnt it common practice, should there be a duplication in numbers that the current roster player keep the number and the new-to-the-team player get another number? I notice that Stoll was 28 and they reassigned him to number 26 (MSLs old number) But in the case of Ryan Bourque 25 they took that number from Ryan and gave it to Viktor Salberg. Maybe Ryan agreed? I hope they didn't just take it...kind of rude.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 17 2015 6:05 am EST

Isnt it common practice, should there be a duplication in numbers that the current roster player keep the number and the new-to-the-team player get another number? I notice that Stoll was 28 and they reassigned him to number 26 (MSLs old number) But in the case of Ryan Bourque 25 they took that number from Ryan and gave it to Viktor Salberg. Maybe Ryan agreed? I hope they didn't just take it...kind of rude.

WIOSA


Sun Aug 16 2015 10:03 pm EST

VIC- I generally agree w your overall point the NYRs should not have lost Hagelin because of poor cap management and desperate signing of Dan Boyle...., but your perspective of Brassard is flat out wrong asyou conveniently ignore the playoffs.. I will say this, hands down Brassard has been the best NYR forward the past 2 years in the playoffs... not even close really....

schneidw


Sun Aug 16 2015 9:47 pm EST

JFC31: that cool... you make good points, I just dont share the same euphoric passion for ZUCC as most Wallsters... he played first line minutes and powerplay and only tallied 15 goals last year... unacceptable... he is 28YO now.. no longer a kid... NYRs gave him a fat contract is all I am saying... numbers dont usually lie... but I agree, ZUCC is a great teamate and solid on defense... but still... need more production

schneidw


Sun Aug 16 2015 9:42 pm EST

TDICHI- I am just stating the facts... Anaheim has given ETEM very real NHL minutes over the past 3 years and he produced an average of 5 goals (15 total); The Ducks lost LW BELESKY to UFA and instead of promoting ETEM they immediately dumped him for a higher priced player... ETEM is from LA so the fact that Anaheim dumped him is very telling, as is the comment the Ducks GM made after the trade stating ETEM never capitalize on his opportuntiies and it just didnt work out... so sure, he has potential... but reality is he will not be a solid NHL player.. shitty return for HAGELIN

schneidw


Sun Aug 16 2015 7:50 pm EST

Vic - Man, I like HAGELIN and all...but you're trying to say he's better than BRASSARD? Man, there's just no body of evidence to back that up. Hags is a very good player, but I've seen better hands on a clock. He's all Swedish, no Finish. And while I think there's a degree of validity to your intangibles argument, there's just flat-out no comparing him to a player of the skill of Brassard.

tdchi


Sun Aug 16 2015 7:45 pm EST

schneidw - ETEM is a "throwaway player"? A "bust"? He just turned 23. And while I don't expect him to be an all-star. Etem is a very talented player who, with a little work, could easily be a top-9 forward. Etem COULD be a much better player than HAGELIN. Is he now? No. But the ceiling for him is much higher than Hags, who is a third liner on three quarters of the teams in the NHL...but really, that's my opinion...and what you really need to go off of when assessing this deal is what Hags was with the Rangers...which was a third liner...you don't pay a third-line forward $4 million. I hate to say anything that would come across as complimentary to the Pens, but they came to the same conclusion with Brandon SUTTER...guy was a third-line center...wanted $4 million-plus...he gets dumped...can't do it in the cap-era NHL...And while Etem may never be an all-star, I would be willing to bet his production per dollar next season will far exceed what the Ducks get out of Hags.

tdchi


Sun Aug 16 2015 4:10 pm EST

MF, not interested...personally I think one is enough to watch out for......We already have to hope that one of our forwards parents don't watch him play, god forbid show up, or hell start feeing the pressure and crumble. Just a thought, but reading the headline of NHL.com about Penn feeling they can go far now that they have Kessel, am I the only person who felt the Pens didn't have a problem scoring? Strange days indeed.

WIOSA


Sun Aug 16 2015 1:50 pm EST

Here's a follow up quoting Forbe's Eric Macramalla the very following day; " So, do the 30-year-old forward and the players’ union have a case? It sure sounds like, especially if Forbes’ Eric Macramalla is correct in his assessment." ...... The full explanation is worth your time, but the short version from Macramalla is that it comes down to how this terminated contract ignores the process laid about by the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse And Behavioral Program Policy...... The most severe discipline called for under the Drug Policy for repeated rehab failures is a one year suspension without pay with reinstatement at the discretion of the league..... We do not know all the circumstances surrounding Richards.... The starting point, however, is the Drug Policy and its prescribed treatment protocols.... The Drug Policy does not call for the termination of a player contract in the event of an arrest or conviction related to drugs. It calls for a lot less.... Macramalla points out something that’s sneakily the most important detail, though: ""it sounds like the situation will get a fair arbitrator."" The grievance will NOT be heard by Gary Bettman or Roger Goodell for that matter. This goes to an impartial arbitrator with extensive labor law experience..... That’s pretty huge, to be honest.....http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/13/richards-nhlpa-seem-to-have-a-good-case-against-the-kings/

mf


Sun Aug 16 2015 1:46 pm EST

RF: Some great grammar in that last post! ;-)

mf


Sun Aug 16 2015 1:23 pm EST

Rehabs & retreads for 1000 Alex? ..... ? Since we added Stoll the curiosity bug inspired me to check on the current status of the Mike Richards contract dilemma.... According to this author, " the Kings may well look to distinguish between termination for being arrested for possession and termination for failing to advise of the arrest." The drug policy of the collective bargaining agreement is geared to help the play not punish him, so The Kings may have a very weak case............ Once this thing unwinds, I bet Richards cound be had for a song. Like $600K-$800K.... I'd certainly try to be the 1st team out there offering him an invitation to camp..... Richards penciled in on the 4th line with Moore & anyone else on the current roster appeals to me a lot more to me than Tanner Glass, especially with his $1.45 mill moniker... Heck, I'd invite James Sheppard to camp too as long as there are no restrictions on quantity and he showed an interest... For the "Battle of the Basement" meaning two 4th line positions, one 3rd line position, and a "Pine Rider" for the lucky 13th forward, last years point production for these beauties were as follows: Sheppard 71 gp 18 pts, Stoll 73gp 17 pts, M.Richards 53 gp 16 pts, Stalberg 25 gp 10 pts, Etem 45 gp 10pts, T.Glass 66 gp "6" pts....... http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmacramalla/2015/08/12/mike-richards-so-what-now/

mf


Sun Aug 16 2015 12:01 pm EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/

mf


Sun Aug 16 2015 11:37 am EST

schneidw -- gotta disagree with the ore is of your question regarding why Zucc is worth $4 mil and Hags was not....Zucc is the far superior player to Hags IMO and he s just as good defensively as Hags....his backchecking, play in all three zones and getting into the lanes to disrupt pass plays are superb. Zucc makes those he plays with better while Hags does not, he is more creative offensively than Hags, he produces better offensive numbers than Hags, he plays the PP, he can easily play the PK if needed. Hags is faster and gets in on the forecheck better than Zucc but nothing else.

JFC31


Sun Aug 16 2015 9:59 am EST

Then and now.... Just got done watching a replay of the Rangers-Wild game from 10/27/14. Made me reflect on last year's "early team" versus the one we will have at the start of this year - and why we all to chill on thinking we should be concerned, as we should be fine early on and there will undoubtedly be tweaks and surprises once the season starts. The 2014 team was (I believe) around .500 by late October. We should be MUCH better. For example: Our D in that game had Moore and Humwick as 5-6 as opposed to Yandle and Boyle. That game included MSL, Hags and Duclair - but was minus an injured Stephan and no MIller, Fast, or a then-bench-sitting Hayes. And gone are the "regular-playing" Stepniak, Chris Mueller and Ryan Malone. Surely we are at least as good with Stoll, Lindberg, Etem and Strahlberg. And, perhaps others surprise in training camp and make the jump. In short, IMHO, we are just fine going into training camp, and we need to remember that the team we see in March will probably - barring injuries - be an even better team than we'll have in October.

Ranger47


Sun Aug 16 2015 6:52 am EST

Anyone wondering why we couldn't just keep Sheppard? I liked the guy, he had a great attitude. He was never really given a fair shot, but the shot he was given he did pretty good with. He's good at face offs (would've been nice had we let him take a few) he can get feisty and he's a team player. Yeah he wanted a little more than Stoll...but honestly Stoll, for want of a better expression is 'damaged goods'. The NFL way of saying he has a mental and/or physical problem. Not to mention his age. I don't wish the guy harm, but why would we let the better choice walk? Im confused.

WIOSA


Sun Aug 16 2015 6:48 am EST

Jaques Lemaire will be going to the Leafs as a 'special assignment coach' (whatever that is) anyone surprised? Wonder if Babcock is nervous:?.....HIP gotta love your 'glass half full' attitude. eg: We succeeded in winning a lot of games and putting on quite a show, the piper must be paid. Whereas I felt the 'glass was half empty' eg; we gambled and lost on winning it all....either way the piper must be paid. I think Vics point is, had the books been managed better and the drafting done better, we wouldn't have had to pay with a Core player. Tend to agree

WIOSA


Sun Aug 16 2015 6:30 am EST

Yeah, in retrospect we probably should of kept Dubinsky, Gaborik, Prust, Callahan, Stralman... and now Hagelin. Doesn't aways work out that way fellas. We've had a lot of winning around here... and there is always a price to pay for that success.

hipcheck


Sun Aug 16 2015 5:16 am EST

Bottom line getting hagelin to sign a bridge deal made more sense to me but not to the gms.... Too bad he was a great all around 3 rd line player .... He was a nyr .... The prototypical veenyo system player...

stevielegs


Sat Aug 15 2015 5:27 pm EST

Vic....I agree we never should've gotten into the salary cap crunch we did, but I do think Sather thought we were going to go all the way, and hey, we fell three games shy. Does anyone remember when we brought in such high profile players as Matteau and Noonan for Amonte and ??. I didn't think much of that deal at the time...but ask me if I was complaining the following June, point is, sometimes you gamble. Is Brassard's contract up? I didn't think so. As for choosing Dylan over Fowler, I have no comment, never watch the minors. Schneider....thems fighting words. The Hobbit is untouchable in my book. He's a motivator, an agitator and a core player. Case Closed.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 15 2015 5:12 pm EST

SCHNEIDW: I will do you one better. BRASSARD had 60 points in what many called an excellent breakout season. When you look a little deeper he had 18 points on the PP to 1 for HAGS. So BRASSARD really had 42 non PP points and HAGS had 34. Add to that the fact that BRASSARD is a below average defensive player who isn't great on draws and goes invisible for long stretches of games. But BRASSARD is a "steal" at $5 Mil per year because he produced that 1 non PP point a month more then HAGS did, all the while playing with the Rangers best offensive players. That is why I get annoyed with the "HAGS had to be moved because of the Cap comments". No, others could have been moved and should have been moved. But really, the main issue is that the Rangers were in a Cap crunch in the first place. There would have been no reason to move HAGS if the Rangers hadn't signed BOYLE to a 2 year deal. Most of us hated the deal when it went down and in the end the reason why there wasn't enough money is because of the money they are paying BOYLE. And why did they go out and bring in BOYLE? One reason is because the Rangers drafted McILRATH instead of FOWLER. Had FOWLER been drafted the Rangers wouldn't have felt the need to bring in the fossil. And when the fossil failed they wouldn't have had to trade for YANDLE. Add to that the dealing away of draft picks over the last 5 years that could have turned into a defensman other then FOWLER to address the team's need. It is the bad decisions and managerial mistakes, that led to the bad decision to trade HAGS, that bother me most.

Vic


Sat Aug 15 2015 3:26 pm EST

ETAM: throwaway player... hate to say.... has some size and speed and most importantly is on cheap contract but I have seen him play and he is a bust.... similar to McIirath, he is a local kid who the team wanted to succeed, but simply was not developing fast enough.... Anaheim got a steal of a deal IMHO...

schneidw


Sat Aug 15 2015 3:24 pm EST

HAGELIN: Read some interesting posts on Hagelin... Facts Bearing: NYRs had a salary cap crunch, Hagelin only had 2 goals in 20 playoff games, was -4, and was not effectively getting in on the forecheck because he wasnt fighting through the blueline interference; as ARC said the NYRs didnt get sufficient return in the trade probably because they insisted on trading him out west....My Biggest Question to NYRs is why did they view Zuccarello as a $4M/yr player and not Hagelin??? After all, Hagelin plays better defense and scores at the same clip as Zucc despite playing on the 3rd line and not getting powerplay time...Any ideas fellow Wallsters???

schneidw


Sat Aug 15 2015 2:22 pm EST

Arc- It's funny because I have been thinking about Lisin too. Hopefully we have done our homework a lot better with Etem, we gave up a lot in Hagelin and I am sure there were plenty to choose from from both Ana and other teams...

Ola


Sat Aug 15 2015 2:22 pm EST

Phenomenal Goaltending. Solid, deep Defense. Enough up front. We are going final 4 again.

hipcheck


Sat Aug 15 2015 11:28 am EST

Will be in New York for a preseason game in September. Are there any spots at MSG that are better to sit in ? First time there and excited !

RangerGraham


Sat Aug 15 2015 11:14 am EST

Ola- I hope he works out. I just think it's just as likely that he would get lost in the shuffle with borderline production and go the way of Enver Lissin ( with physical edge mind you). At the end of the day he's Kreider light (which to me is neither here or there). TD- I also don't have a problem with the fact that we 'had' to trade him for cap reasons. My issue is that I really think Ducks got one over on Gorton by coupling this with the swap of #2 picks. I'd rather have given up a late pick to move up ( if they really did like Gropp that much) and then deal hags later on for something which I think would have netted us something better than Etem caliber. For me this is the same situation as Chicago had with Versteeg. They at the time got much better value for same caliber player than we gots.

_Arc


Sat Aug 15 2015 8:46 am EST

_arc- Etem is not a safe bet but I think he has decent potential. And I kind of like his style or what type of player he can become. It's also important to remember that Anaheim has a log-jam at the wing. It wasn't easy for him to get aging time there. Etem ha a potential to put a lot of pts on the board, he has that vision. But when I saw him in the WJC I was definitely not impressed by him. A player who lived on his speed but couldn't find ways to use it, player without purpose. But he has definitely fought to win a spot in Anaheim, and when played on a 4th line he has really tried to grind it out. Like we saw against Tampa, it's hard to defend against and valuable to have player types all over the lineup that really can take care on a scoring chance whenever it present it self AND that can grind it out in the mean time so to speak. Etem could definitely do that. Overall I am excited to follow him this camp and hopefully we could get to see what he could do next to Hayes for example.

Ola


Sat Aug 15 2015 7:05 am EST

I personally think trading Hags was something they (Rangers Brass) had to hold their collective noses and do. They needed the cap space. I did think he was underestimated - his contribution to the PK was more then just cursory, and his all around defensive game was better than credited for. Being a core player, is a fact that keeps Ranger fans still talking about the pros and cons weeks after it was done. That said, they still had to do it, or they couldn't get Stepan signed. I hope he does really well. He's a class act.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 15 2015 4:16 am EST

Vic - I won't disagree that HAGELIN has his intangibles that don't show up on a stats sheet...and yes, he's a very good player...but really...STEPAN? Bottom line is it takes more than speed and a hard forecheck to win a hockey game. If that weren't the case, the Rangers would have a couple cups by now.

tdchi


Sat Aug 15 2015 4:12 am EST

_Arc - Here's the way I see HAGELIN: He's a great third line player, decent second-line player. But top line? He lacks the hands to really play that capacity. The Rangers had him circulating among the top six for a couple seasons, but he could never maintain his spot there...and that wasn't just under AV...Was the same with Torts...Frankly, I remember him on a line with STEPAN periodically, and I always thought he was a good fit... but when it came down to it, Hags simply didn't have the hands or offensive ability to be playing on the top two with the emergence of both MILLER and HAYES...I don't necessarily disagree with the positives Vic brings up, but when it comes down to it, he just was never going to get to the top six and stay...and this is in a system AV rolled out, which rewards speed...so you have a player that is going to be bottom six...Problem is, NO team can afford to pay a bottom six player $4 million...and that was what Hags was going to command. You look at his salary...and to the guy's credit, he was more than willing to bite on a bridge deal that probably would have paid him between $2.7 and $3 million...but after that? He was looking for a payday...and rightly so...Do I think Hags is worth $4 million? It's a stretch, IMO...but that's what the market rate is...so then let's look at the case this past June: You have a guy coming off a decent season, but still with potential...if you sign him to a bridge deal, then the only hope you have of getting a better return is if he lights it up before the trade deadline. And if that's the case, then how the hell are you going to trade him? Minute that deadline passes, Hags' value is halved. You'd probably could con some rube into trading a second rounder for his rights, but every other team is going to wait until he becomes a UFA and the Rangers, hard against the cap, can't sign him...so yeah, as an RFA, his value was never higher than it was at the draft table. We can debate whether the Rangers got that value...THAT is something I even question...but really, the time to trade Hags was at the draft...NOW...that said, if I was Gorton, I would have offered Hags a deal somewhere in the realm of $3.75 mill for two years and then tried to deal NASH for a top pick and a prospect. I would have kept Hags and given him another chance to play in the top six...but that philosophy has more to do with my distaste for Mr. October and less for my faith Hags can produce at a top-line level. Look, the guy was part of the core and it hurts to lose him...and especially when the return is a long-range prospect and an enigma the Ducks basically gave up on...but when this deal plays out, I have a feeling it's going to be one that allows the Rangers to remain competitive for much longer than they would have been paying a third liner $4 million per. JMHO, of course....Mind you, were this 2004 and without the cap, I would absolutely be up in arms about trading Hags. He's a great player and one of my favorites...has been since his UMichigan years...but in the cap world? Sorry, but Hags is a casualty of war.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 10:11 pm EST

mf: Those rose coloured glasses aren't exactly growing on trees - you gotta really fight for a pair!!!

RF4L


Fri Aug 14 2015 6:17 pm EST

So when is buttman starting nhl 2 league for 32 and over players?

stevielegs


Fri Aug 14 2015 5:20 pm EST

and the 2015/16 Cup Winners NY Rangers lead by the just turned (May 2016) Kevin Hayes and the just turned 26 (June 2016) Derek Stepan............ Pass the Rose Colored glasses..

mf


Fri Aug 14 2015 5:20 pm EST

TDCH- Seriously you think hags value was never higher? What did we get out of it - ETEM and a 6th or 7th rd pick (value of moving 20 slots)? That's the best return for a $4mil/yr player? 20g/ 40pt elite defensive player and turnover machine. For a guy who knows a fair good deal about the game it blows my mind how little you (and wild) value him

_Arc


Fri Aug 14 2015 4:48 pm EST

I just wanted to point something else out. Starting in 03 (which is even before the lockout) take a look at who won the cup and what age the star #1 Center was for each team. In 03 the Devils won with a 22 year old GOMEZ. In 04 it was Tampa and the 24 year old VLC and RICHARDS. In 06 Carolina won with the 21 year old STALL. In 07 the Ducks won with the 22 year old GETZLAF and PERRY. In 08 Detroit won. DATSUK was 30 and ZETERBERG was 27. In 09 it was the 22 year old CROSBY and 23 year old MALKIN. in 2010 it was the 22 year old TOEWS and 21 year old KANE leading Chicago. In 2011 it was the Bruins with BERGERON and KREJCI who were both 25 during the playoffs. KREJCI had just turned 25 and BERGERON was turning 26 later in July. In 2012 the still 23 years old KOPITAR led the Kings to the Cup. In 2013 those pesky kids from Chicago who were just 25 and 24 respectively. In 2014 it was the Kings again and the 25 year old KOPITAR. And, in 2015 it was the just turned 26 TOEWS and the 25 year old KANE again. The take away is that this is a young man's game and it is rare for a team to win over the last 10 plus years when its biggest star forwards are over 25.

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 3:13 pm EST

Sjöström had 19 pts in 50 games for PHX and then 13 in 82 for us.

Ola


Fri Aug 14 2015 3:08 pm EST

Wild- I don't know, any player playing on the same line for the same team being more or less in the same shape can have their production to up and down with 50% from one year to another, it's kind of dumb (by me) to talk about Strahlberg being able to score this or that number for sure. My point is just this, there is no reason to expect him to score anything for us -- except for the pts that falls into his lap after bounces or turnovers. Which he is good at forcing for sure. That's what he is good at, going hard after the puck and creating turnovers. But like, what a player scored elsewhere in the past means -- nothing -- to me. Really nothing. Will Yandle score 65 pts and lead all Ds in scoring next year? Did Brad Richards score 90 pts for us? OTOH you have Nash and Gabby actually scoring 40. But Gabby scored 40 one year and 20 the next and then 40 again. I've seen a lot of Stahlberg. Gotta call it like I see it, the kid is not a good offensive hockey player. He is a player that skates in straight lines and goes to the net. If he plays with Hayes, or Brass/Step, sure he could get 35-40 pts. But if he plays with Moore? I have a reall hard time seeing "why" we can expect any production over low-mid avg production for a 4th lineer. He is fully compareable with Freddy Sjöström. How many pts did he have next to Betts? I don't remember lol.

Ola


Fri Aug 14 2015 12:52 pm EST

Ola: Stalberg had 10 points in just 25 games last season bouncing in and out of the lineup on their 4th line getting just less than 12 minutes per night. But on the Rangers 4th line he wont get more than 10-15 points? Are you suggesting he only played 25 games or so? Because even in a craptastic year he got .40 ppg, over a full season than 30-35 points.....

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 12:40 pm EST

Not worth arguing with folks here about this but IMHO HAGS at $4Mil is a better value then STEPAN at $6.5Mil. People are just going to look at points and that would be a monumental mistake. HAGS is a disruptive force on the ice. He causes the other team to make mistakes. He causes turnovers. He is a primo defensive player in this league and puts up close to 20 goals a year playing without PP time and in a bottom 6 role. The Ducks are going to be thrilled with HAGS. He gives them a critical element that they lack and has cost them in the playoffs. He can outskate anyone in the west and will drive guys like KANE crazy.

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 12:25 pm EST

Rangers are apparently OUT on signing Robbie RUSSO, according to Brooks. Shame. He' be a solid pickup. But in reality, the depth at D means he's be buried in Hartford for two years.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 12:20 pm EST

HAGELIN for $4 million over four years? Good luck with that Ducks. Good player. Might get 20 goals. But that kind of money? Rangers were wise to trade him when they did. His value wasn't getting any higher than it was. Rangers could have signed him for a bridge deal, but ultimately would have needed to pay up even more for the following three years. Ducks obviously see him as a top six player. And for Hags' sake, I hope he doesn't disappoint. I just don't see it in him. Not even with GETZLAF and PERRY.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 12:07 pm EST

Nashville is weak up front, they sent Stahlberg to the AHL. There is a reason for that. Ståhlberg is definitely comparable to Sjöström. I don't like to say things I can't stand up for. I can't say that Stahlberg couldn't put up some pts in the perfect environment, he could actually still compliment a few players well in a limited role. But besides that very very limited possibility he has zero potential. I think he might be a safe option next to Dom Moore and he got a spot to loose there. I am not even sure he plays in the NHL for 20 teams that might be looking for something else...

Ola


Fri Aug 14 2015 12:02 pm EST

Wildcard- I think Stahlberg is an a lot better signing than say the stiffs Torts wanted here like Asham and co. But I don't like it because it's another zero potential move by Gorton. However, what relevance exactly does it have that Stahlberg scored a number of pts for Chicago several years ago? How is that relevant? Looking at stats like that says exactly nothing. A Wolski should score 80 pts off us. Or he shouldn't. Stahlberg is the player he is and I can promise you that unless he is a super perfect fit as a complimentary player on a scoring line (like a slave next to like Hayes/Brassard-Zucc), he isn't topping 10-15 pts on a 4th line.

Ola


Fri Aug 14 2015 11:59 am EST

Good for Hags and wish him well. No way we pay him $4M per.

Ranger47


Fri Aug 14 2015 11:50 am EST

Speaking of him...Hags 4 year 4 mil per.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 11:39 am EST

WILD: You are using the collective hockey history in your analysis and I would argue that history of the league is moot. Over the last 5 years or so this league has evolved into a SPEED league and it will continue to do so even more over the next 5 to 10 years. The rules changes transformed the game. Younger and faster players are desired not only because of the rules changes which now favor a free flowing, wide open game, but also because of the Cap. Players under 25 are much cheaper then players over 25. This league will continue to get younger and place more and more an emphasis on speed over other attributes. It doesn't matter how smart or experienced a player is if he can't handle the pace. MSL didn't lose his game overnight. The game passed him by. The game is played now at a much higher pace. The one advantage that he had (his speed and quickness) is nullified in Today's NHL.

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 11:07 am EST

add to that, the fact that the average shift is 1 second shorter at 20 than at 26 is kinda silly...maybe its because the player is hitting his prime and scoring on more shifts, that cuts a shift in half, or less and lowers the average shift time. Also there is another flaw with using that, you can't brush off maturity, just because a guy takes a shorter shift at 30 than he did at 25 doesn't mean he couldn't be just as strong in the extra second, but that he has matured enough to know that if you push yourself tho your limit you open yourself to being the reason the other team scores because you are tired so you don't push it that last 2-3 seconds to get that one last chance at getting one more rush, so you change and come back out again later. It also doesn't show how many shifts per game. The important thing to look at is production per minutes played...most common is points per 60 minutes played, that if you look at stats goes up 25-30 than holds steady and starts to drop, after 33-34 most players start to drop quick, a few keep going forever. But simply looking at shift length says nothing for the impact of a player on helping a team win games and the cup.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 10:58 am EST

Vic: Look at just about any player, unless injuries get them and slow them down for their career early, players peak output is 26-33. Players rarely have their best statistical years before 25. So how can that statement be justified as showing anything? I don't care if their physical attributes are not as great, its production than wins hockey games, offensive and defensive production, and that comes after 25 and before 35 for most players. You have the rare ones like Mess, MSL, even D. Boyle to an extend, and many many others...Iginla for another, some guys go forever, and some guys start out amazing Gretzky and Mess, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin and the like. But the average player peaks their impact on games after 25...and they usually help win cups after 25....sometimes earlier, but usually they are NOT the main catalyst of a cup win. I don't need stats to tell me that either, you can watch it and see it every single year.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 10:28 am EST

WILDCARD: Not worth arguing over. We are not going to agree. I've got supporting info for what I have known intuitively. (http://hockey-graphs.com/2015/04/17/nhl-player-physical-peak-estimation/). The key takeaway is the last sentence........"While attributes like muscle mass, maturity, and “hockey IQ” might peak at a later time, the physical peak for players seems to be pretty firmly entrenched in the ballpark of 23 to 25 years old."

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 10:21 am EST

RHET: Your updates are in. That just leaves MelvilleFred as the last remaining person who hasn't given me picks for #11 and #12. FRED: Please post your picks for #11 and #12. As for the rest of you regulars and workers who haven't posted your picks, what are you waiting for?????

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 10:11 am EST

Vic: Only 8 players are 30 or over....9 are 26 or younger....of the 30+ guys are Klein who I don't think will be any worse for the wear, and Glass, and really what impact will he have if he isn't as good as he was? Moore is 35, but plays like 30, and I am no too worried about him, Giradi will eventually have injury concerns, but he has never relied on speed or overpowering guys to defend them, so he is not too big a concern. He is not going to be worse because of another year on him...the really important parts of the roster are young or will be fine. Hank is going to be a concern if he plays too much, but with a good backup he will be A-OK. I think the idea of the Rangers getting older and it being a hinderance is just hogwash, there are older teams who have won cups....and gone deep with a chance to win the cup. The Rangers top end guys for the most part are still in the middle of their prime years, hardly a concern.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 10:05 am EST

Rhet: Or are they arguing over 4 years or 5 or maybe he is just on vacation and will sign when he gets back. Lots of things could be up...but it does seem odd.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 9:52 am EST

VIC.... 11- Klein and 12- Lindberg... Thanks.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 14 2015 9:44 am EST

Former Isles defensive prospect Robbie Russo becomes a FA tomorrow. The Blackhawks, Red Wings and NYR, among others, have been reported to have interest ....WILD... The odd thing about the Carl Hagelin negotiations is that they were supposed to be pretty close to a deal. So much so, that Hagelin opted to NOT file for Salary Arbitration. After that, we haven't heard a peep about a new deal. I bet you he's regretting not going to arbitration now.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 14 2015 9:33 am EST

Stalberg: for all the crap the Rangers are getting about signing him, I thought I would bring a dose of reality in hopes of calming down the negativity. Will he be a top flight offensive threat? No, will he get 20 goals like he did in Chicago, it is likely he doesn't get close to that. HOWEVER if he were to play all 82 games with the same ice time as last season (11-12 minutes) and scored at about the same rate, he would finish the season with 30-35 points. If he played a couple more minutes maybe with a bit of PP time he may end up 35-40 points. That's very good for a 4th line and special teams guy and a guy making 1.1 mil. And that's still the case at just the same production rate as last year so 30-35 points. If he has a better year than last because he knows his career is on the line or the system works well for him he will end up being a bargain. Again. He is t expected to be a top 6 player, he is a bottom 6 / depth player and if he can get .4-.5 log it's a good signing. The negativity is a bit much and really unfounded.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 8:54 am EST

WILDCARD: I disagree on two things. The first was your characterization of a NASH as an Elite player. NASH has Elite level skills. No question there. But I don't consider NASH to be an Elite player. NASH shrinks in the playoffs. He plays smaller. He plays weaker. He doesn't elevate his game. That to me is a requirement of any guy we are going to call Elite. The Rangers thought he was an Elite player when they got him but just never had the chance to show it in Columbus. Well, he has had the chance in NY. I would argue that if NASH really was an Elite player the Rangers would have won the Cup at least once over the last two years. But he isn't........and they didn't. As for your other assertion, A year older is not a year better. A year older is a year older. For the veteran players, especially guys over 30, it is another year of wear and tear on an aging body. It means a step slower for some. It means more injuries for some. It means less stamina and more easily fatigued for some. For the younger players it CAN mean a year of growth and development. But that doesn't mean it WILL mean a year of growth and development. Guys like HAYES, MILLER, FAST and KREIDER might all improve and be better. Or, they might be what they are. Just because they are a year older it doesn't mean they will be on some upward trend. In fact, I'd say the odds are that two of those 4 will get better and 2 won't. The odds are that two will continue to develop over the next few years and have not reached their potential. Two won't. Who is in which group remains to be seen.

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 8:41 am EST

also, anyone else notice that Hags still ashen signed....methinks that away from the Rangers he is going for gold....or he was going to go for the biggest deal possible regardless and is part of why the Rangers moved him....

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 8:41 am EST

WILDCARD: I agree and see the same scenario. I see HAYES on the RW on the PP on the second unit in the same spot along the boards as NASH on the first unit.

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 8:38 am EST

td: Don't forget the LTIR "luck" the Hawks got last season. They were able to go get a player that helped in the post season, and they wouldn't have had that option if Kane (or was it Tawes) didn't go down with a long term injury. Thats not planned, and they may not win the cup without that trade...

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 8:36 am EST

VIC: "Another year older" But the core guys were all young. And missing elite talent in the top 6. They have Nash who is elite, and most teams have just one really elite guy.....unless they sucked for years and got draft gifts and even that doesn't mean squat look t the PENS. The Rangers have more than enough skill in the top 6 to win the cup....they have MORE than many teams and another year older is actually good for the skaters. Hags is a loss for sure, and so is Talbot, at the same time the two guys who were brought in as goalies are both rated well and have played really well so there may not be as much drop off at the backup position as some are afraid of. The guys brought in may not replace hags on their own, but Fast being better due to experience, and Etem, Stalberg and Stoll will help pick up other stuff that Hags brought "by committee" and I think overall the team will be just as good. Adding to that Miller Kreider and others being better with another year experience and I think its not far fetched to say the team has improved. There is far far far too much focus on individuals from fans, its about the team as one single unit, and in that way it is as good if not better.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 8:29 am EST

VIC: I kind of expect that. Hayes to not take draws but to be a center during play whenever possible. And perhaps on the PP he will be out on wing as well. One PP center in Brass, the other in Step, and Hayes being out there also at wing, but on the PP the speed aspect isn't so needed, and the center isn't the one who always possesses the puck. So I think Stoll and even Miller taking draws and Hayes switching with them once the draw is taken.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 14 2015 7:21 am EST

TD: By one good year I was responding to OLA's assertion that he could fill in as a replacement for STEPAN if he got hurt. I think he used the STEPAN-light phrase. STOLL had one year in his career where he put up the kind of numbers that STEPAN puts up. And that was a long time ago. We will see how things play out. I know that you see HAYES as a winger and on just about any other team I could see that happening. HAYES, on this team and in this system, is destined to be a failure on the wing. He doesn't possess the speed or skating ability to play the wing in AV's system. He can't press the forecheck and he can't get back fast enough to be a factor defensively. Basically, putting him on the wing maximizes his weaknesses and minimizes his strengths. He is a Center. He is one of the guys that you want to have the puck on his stick coming out of the zone. He is the guy that can make things happen when he has the puck. He doesn't make things happen (at least positive things) when he doesn't have the puck. The guy that did that was HAGS and he is gone. My guess is that STOLL will be a winger on the 3rd line with HAYES and will take draws for HAYES in the defensive zone if he hasn't improved significantly over the summer.

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 7:12 am EST

OLA: You said the magic words in your first post about this...."A young generation coming into its prime while being cheap. ".......You left out the fact that some of those players were Elite level but you captured the heart of the issue. In a Cap era that is how you win. Once you have to start paying big money to retain your top players because you don't have a pipeline of Top Tier players (or bring in new top UFA top players) you take a step back. Let me put it another way using a number scale. If you have a young team with Elite level players on Entry Level or RFA contracts (or locked up long term on cheap deals) you have a team that can be a 9 or 10 out of 10 in any given year. Last year the Rangers were an 8 out of 10 IMHO. A really good team with a good system, good talent and experience. For them to win they had to stay healthy, get matchups that were favorable and get some luck. This year I see the Rangers as dropping back to a 7. They are a year older, they still lack Elite level talent in the top 6, they have had to move really good players who helped them do what they did over the last two years because of Cap constraints and they signed or brought in guys to replace them who are lesser players. Those new players either haven't done anything in their careers to show that they were as good as the guys going out, or are on the downside of their careers and in their 30s. Compounding the problem is that there are teams that are passing them in their own Conference. Tampa is probably a 9 for this coming year and maybe even a 10. It may be their year. The Islanders may be an 8. Philthy got better. Florida may be better. Ottawa will be better. The only way I see the Rangers as being a contender this year is if some of the young players on this team take a huge leap. If HAYES and MILLER come back from the off season as dominant forces. If KREIDER finds a level of consistency that he hasn't shown and becomes a 30 to 40 goal guy. If ETEM turns into the next POULIOT. If DM grabs the bull by the horns and becomes and crease-clearing top 4 monster defender who punishes people. And if FAST becomes a solid two-way 20+ goal scorer. All of that, along with YANDLE turning the PP from a weakness to a strength, McDONAGH/STALL/GIRARDI/KLEIN all staying healthy and a dominant year from HANK. If all of those things fall into place the Rangers can win a Cup. I'm guessing that isn't going to happen. I'm guessing the Rangers will be 2nd or 3rd in the division. I'm guess the Rangers will get bumped from the playoffs in either the 1st or 2nd round. In other words, I'm guess the Rangers start sliding back toward mediocrity. Now, all that is left to do is hope that I am wrong..........

Vic


Fri Aug 14 2015 6:57 am EST

Vic - re: STOLL, one good year? The guy has 140 goals in the NHL. That's a little more than one good year. In his prime, he was a top-six forward. He's removed from that prime, but still a very effective NHLer...I don't think anyone really thinks he's in the mix to replace either of our top centers if they go down. That job would likely go to HAYES or MILLER, and if not them, LINDBERG...Stoll is what he is, which is a bottom six player. I really don't get how some of you guys don't see all upside to this signing.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 6:45 am EST

er...three picks...was gonna say the Islanders...but man, until they find depth on D and a real goalie...I think they're going to struggle in the playoffs.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 6:44 am EST

Ola - Chicago won three cups because KANE and TOEWS took cheap contracts and they pulled a fast one with HOSSA's deal. And I know you're high on the two Russians...but man, that team is decimated now. I don't see how PANARIN and TIKHONOV are going to replace what they've lost...But this aside, who are you seeing as that vastly improved during the offseason...first in the east and then overall? The cup is up for grabs because I doubt Chicago is going back there...and TBH, I think the teams with the best crack at landing it are the ones who were really competitive last year and who didn't make many personnel changes...my four picks at this stage are LA, Tampa and the Rangers.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 6:39 am EST

Ola - Couple things: I'm not sure I'm reading you correctly, but you're saying Gorton is making 'safe moves' to protect his job, but NOT to win a cup? Really? At this point, the ONLY safe move in the Rangers organization is TO win a cup. Look, as much as I think this is a great team and a great organization...a fact backed up by a trip to the finals, a president's cup, and a trip to the conference finals...but I'm sure everyone in the front office realizes their chance at hoisting the cup with this crew is drawing to a close...it's make or break for the Rangers...if Gorton is making moves to simply ensure they stay where they are, then he's a really stupid man...I, for one, don't believe that for a minute...The moves he made were to fill organizational needs, not tread water. Gorton knew he was losing HAGELIN'S speed, so he went out and grabbed a couple players he sees filling that void...I'm not sure any of the three Russians(PLOTNIKOV, PANARIN or TIKHONOV) were the types to replace Hags...And of these three, the only one who would really fit nicely on the Rangers' bottom six is Tik...Not only for his playing style, but what could ultimately be his cap hit...Both Plotnikov and Panarin signed bonus-laden contract that could see each paid upward of $3.25 million...and not to travel down this rabbit hole even farther, but I suspect both of those guys want a good shot of making the top six, of which they would have ZERO shot on the Rangers...but I digress...The STOLL signing, IMO, was strictly at filling a need...not playing it safe...not edging MOORE out...not a just-in-case-STEPAN-gets-injured move...He's here to win draws, grind, kill penalties and be a right-handed shot on the second unit PP...if anything, he's this year's Lee STEMPNIAK...Likewise with STALBERG...He's a guy who has a scoring touch and speed...he's going to fight it out with ETEM to see who can step into Hags' shoes...and all three bring size..all three are making contracts that are so easily buried in Hartford with ZERO cap hit...so if they fail, guess what? They're gone and the next player will get a crack...Gorton has greatly improved the Rangers' depth in his short stint as Rangers' GM. When you have 14 forwards, eight of which could compete for the top six, you're in very good shape.

tdchi


Fri Aug 14 2015 6:34 am EST

hipcheck- I like our chances as a strong team no doubt, but not really as a contender. To get within the top 6-8 you need to do a great job all over. I don't think that is all that hard -- for the right teams -- to be honest. The rich are getting richer in general in this league. A good team in an attractive market has a much easier job than the "least attractive" bottom 20 teams in this league. Many point fingers are nuts contracts all over etc, but in reality most teams don't have any options. They have to overpay to get the second best options. Follow our journey, we got Gabby because we had a solid team in NY, many teams interested in him didn't have a chance because of other factors than money. Gabby got us Brassard etc. Gomez got us McD. And so forth. So I definietly like our chances to be a solid top 10 team for quite some time, with some ups and downs natrually. BUT, to become a real contender that has an honest chance to win it all -- you need something extra. Cap cheating contracts. A young generation coming into its prime while being cheap. Chi won because of those cap cheating contracts, they have for a long time had a pay-roll like 10-15% over the cap or something. Tampa last year had a roster that in 3-4 years easily will make like 25m more than they do today, but as it is most players has taken that step while still being cheap. They had great depth AND they had a roster they could keep build on for several years in a row, they haven't lost any players basically they didn't choose to let go. Chicago this summer took advantage of KHLs problems and locked up Panarin and Tikhonov. I think a player like Vic Tikhonov is fully compareable to a Evander Kane in terms of overall package, and Panarin could be a hit in the right environment. Ziggy Palffy compareable. Its very unlikely that they will be able to compete two years in a row, but its -- obvious -- that they know what it takes, and hence imported a ton of potential and fresh legs into their line-up. Gorton's main concern is obviously not to win a cup this year, he wants a job a year for now and want to play it safe. Don't think you seriously can contend with a GM with that mentality.

Ola


Thu Aug 13 2015 8:41 pm EST

Signing Stoll allows us to draw another (5th) line. snort snort.... she don't lie, she don't lie ...........

mf


Thu Aug 13 2015 5:44 pm EST

The Rangers won the president's trophy, went to the final 4 again, and came within a breath of 2 cup appearances in a row. It's essentially the same team, with more grit, size and foot-soldier mentality. One more year of experience playing in this unique AV system. I like our chances as a 7 or 8 seed underdog, ready to do damage and go very far in the playoffs.

hipcheck


Thu Aug 13 2015 4:00 pm EST

OLA - Stoll's possibility of signaling the end of Moore's days here would be par for the course for this off season becasue all it would accomplish is making the team weaker then last year, just as the Etem-Hags/Talbot trades and the Stalberg signing accomplished....Keep Moore...

Hospo


Thu Aug 13 2015 1:46 pm EST

Vic that is true, Stoll never made it to the lvl Stepan is now, didn't want to indicate that either. That is not to say however that he is a 4th line stiff. That was my point. Stoll has a really good release and isn't lost with the puck in an offensive environment, I don't care how few goals or pts he scored for LA in a limited role the last years. My point is this, Stoll is in my book much more of a (really) poor mans 2nd line center than great 4th line center. Nobody can pick up a good cheap center that can be a good back up to a second line center on the UFA market in today's league with the cap and all, so taking that into account I think Gorton saw Stoll as the best available player he could pick up that can fill a role if needed all over the lineup. Best available, not good option. You get what I mean. There has been a lot of talk about the Stoll signing spelling the end of either Glass or Moore's stay here in NY -- I don't buy that. He might or might not start, but my bet is that he is general assurance more than a replacement for someone.

Ola


Thu Aug 13 2015 12:37 pm EST

I can't say that I see much upside to either the STOLL or STAHLBERG signings. OLA, I have to disagree with your assessment of STOLL. He had one good year in Edmonton 10 years ago. To say that he is a player in STEPAN's mold is inaccurate IMHO. For as much grief as I give STEPAN even I will say that he is an extremely smart player who has good vision and is a very good playmaker. I've never seen STOLL as that kind of guy. In fact, his strengths are most of STEPAN's weaknesses. If anyone I would compare STOLL to someone like DUBI. But at his age I wonder how much he has left in the tank and if he will be able to contribute to a team that plays at a MUCH higher pace then the one he is coming from.

Vic


Thu Aug 13 2015 12:25 pm EST

Hospo: for the long strange trip we fans have been through with this franchise, me thinks this is a good dilemma...... cheerio! ;-)

mf


Thu Aug 13 2015 12:21 pm EST

OLA - Can't say I agree with STOLL's possible upside...I see him as every bit as limitied as STALBERG and wouldn;t have touched either with a 10 foot pole or swede...But, hope to be proven wrong come October-Nov (not September when veterans fighting for their life usually have good camps----remember the jibbering one ESA TIKANEN III???)

Hospo


Thu Aug 13 2015 12:16 pm EST

OLA agree, early rising teams are not necessarily the real deal. For the Record I am one Ranger fan that took the Isles seriously as they dragged the Caps into a game 7. I did NOT want to face that team last year in the playoffs. BUT..I am biased against them so maybe I saw what others didn't.

WIOSA


Thu Aug 13 2015 12:13 pm EST

WIOSA- Yeah. I think the Islanders were "scary" good at times last season, but from October I kept saying that you don't win Cups in [October/November/December/Januar] and then after like January it didn't needed to be repeated, because nobody saw them as a serious contender. AND, I think you can say the exact same things today. Go back two years ago, both Columbus and Colorado had very promising years looking at the future and I don't think anyone had either out side the POs last season. But instead they went real hard in the opposite direction. Sure Columbus had a ton of injuries and Colorado made some extremely dumb signings, but I don't think its suprising. It is just really hard to move up in this league. I mean Tampa Bay is another example. Was it 4 years ago they had a great regular season with a really young team and made it to the ECFs? Then they followed up that year -- with improved rosters -- only to miss the POs two years in a row. No matter how scary good the Islanders looked last season, my point is just that I won't start to worry before they actually get it done once for a full year and the following POs.

Ola


Thu Aug 13 2015 11:46 am EST

RF4L, OLA,...I agree their goalie is an issue. For some reason, a good one, I don't think he's going to 'grow out of' his brain freezes. He's been playing NHL hockey too long to think this is just something hell get out of. That said, the youth of their blue line, if you saw the game I saw, was a problem. Everytime the Isles got ahead, they let up. That is youth, and that is coachable, and they will not be as young next season. Truly hate this team,,,even more if they attempt to win a cup in NYC.

WIOSA


Thu Aug 13 2015 11:36 am EST

RF4L- I think the Islanders biggest problem agaisnt Washington was their blueline to be honest. There were a lot of running around in that series, but the reason the Islanders couldn't "blitz" Washington the way they did during the regular season -- the Islanders definitely did not play their best hockey in the POs -- was definitely because the Caps got to their blueline. Both with the puck and without it. Leddy, Boychuk and co aren't prime goto Ds in this league. They started to throw the puck away a lot under pressure and the Caps also rattled them with the puck.

Ola


Thu Aug 13 2015 11:32 am EST

Hospo- Yeah, and from my POV, I think Stoll is a bit underrated in terms of PP ability and touch aruond the net etc, and a bit overrated as a 4th line center to be perfectly honest. I think the 4th line in the NHL nowadays is a line that is used to get a break and or get energy. I don't think Stoll is a great option to provide either. Moore is certainly a top notch player if you want a break. Get a breather. Keep applying pressure to the other team. I think Stoll more is like a Derek Stepan in a parallel universe who liked to party a bit more and take care of himself a bit worse, but maybe OTOH was a bit more agressive than Step and willing to sacrifize himself more. Put yourself in who new GMs shoes. Really all the way. What do you want from this coming year? What keeps you up at night? I don't fault him, but I am -- 100% -- sure he is more afraid of a fiasco than he dreams about winning a Cup. He just got a helluva good job. It could end before he knows it, thats how this business works. Two injuries, a few players struggling, the 9th spot in the East is extremely close by. He is the guy who took the contender out of contention. Could never get a shot again. There where many exciting options out there on the market this summer with the KHLs trmendous struggles, Panarin, Tikhonov, that guy Pittsburgh signed to play with Malkin I forgot his name. We went with -- the extremely safe and zero potential option -- Ståhlberg. He can hold down a spot next to Moore on a 4th line and will work hard, but is a 100% stiff and has zero potential. Its August, if we start to loose players on a regular basis from camp and on, who do you want in the mix? Thats what I think was on Gortons mind when we signed Stoll. Not to win a Cup, he want a job this time next year. I've seen a lot of Stoll, I wouldn't mind him at all in the mix if Stepan broke a leg in Camp. He is an effective offensive player and can play center.

Ola


Thu Aug 13 2015 10:35 am EST

TDCHI - Disagree..Another similarity between Moore and Stoll is that in this point of their respective careers they are BOTH nothing but a 4th line C on a good to half decent team..And Moore is clearly the better of the two right now..and holding up (i.e, not in a decline) better..The only reasonable position to play Stoll and not affect Moore's time is to play him at 4th line wing for Glass or Stallberg/Etem....I guess that is doable.....The idea of playing either of Moore or Stoll on the 3rd line or higher signifies you are up the creek without the paddle/talent....JMWO of course..

Hospo


Thu Aug 13 2015 8:45 am EST

WIOSA: Mediocre goaltending remains the Islander's weakness IMO.

RF4L


Thu Aug 13 2015 8:04 am EST

FTR watched the February game against the Islanders...the one with 11 goals and something like 90 sog between the two teams. We won...but truly I think their young D let up when they went up 2 goals on us, and their goalie is a study in vacillation. That team, with a little seasoning - is deadly. Fast, strong, quick, and Tavares on any team is someone to worry about. Sh*t! I hate that team,

WIOSA


Thu Aug 13 2015 7:20 am EST

Great to see this place alive in the dog days of summer. Love it. Plenty of time to sort out how all the players work together or if they even do. I think the biggest question mark is not so much the new guy's talent but the chemistry, is he a good "fit" with the others... and of course by now you must realize I'm talking about John Mayer playing with Bobby, Billy, Mickey & friends at MSG - he can't sing any worse than Phil, I figure... Seriously though on the Rangers... STOLL signing... I like it. $800k for a righty center who admittedly is on the downside and not exactly a world beater these days at the dot but still a LOT better than what we have currently. Stepan and Hayes are awful on draws. So much so that I expect Hayes takes over MSL's RW spot. Brassard inconsistent and Moore the only reliable one. I liked Miller on the draws, he was better but not sure they see him as a center or a winger. He took a bunch while on PP's, iirc. If Stoll wins some key draws down the stretch and in the playoffs, that's all he's got to do in my book. Well, don't be a liability out there but when the time comes, step up and win the key faceoffs. For $800k? That's a bargain if he can do that. Like everybody else, the guys I'm most unsure about are Stalberg, Etem, Lindberg, McIlrath. Where do they fit, who's a spare part, who gets sent packing, who forces their way onto the team? Camp will be interesting for these guys. I'd love to see McIlrath make the team but there's not any room on the right side to become a regular. No way he beats out Klein. Maybe McIlrath and Boyle can do a platoon depending on opponent, bring the kid in slowly. I dunno, guess we'll start finding out in about a month!

Gibbo


Thu Aug 13 2015 6:51 am EST

Wildcard - STOLL and MOORE are simply two very different players...just about the only thing they have in common is they both play the middle, they're veterans and they're good at faceoffs...totally different games...and where I to guess, they are on the Rangers to fill different roles...I no more see Stoll taking minutes from Moore than I see NASH taking minutes from STEPAN...were I to guess too, I'd say Moore retires a New York Ranger. The guy's had a peripatetic career in the NHL and in fact, has never stayed in any city as long he has in New York since he graduated Hartford. He just turned 35 and probably has at least two seasons left in him...when the Rangers let him go, I suspect he'll hang them up...and personally, given his contributions, his story and his commitment to the organization, I'd be astounded if they traded him...especially at the behest of a guy like Stoll...all that said, people have to recognize what the Rangers lacked in the playoffs last spring...and aside from ANY offense, the two things I come up with are faceoffs, size and grit. Stoll fills all those capacities if he comes to camp ready to play...and as much as some here think he's on a downward spiral, he was still a very good bottom line player last season...unlike, for instance, MALONE...I think its a safe bet to say he's going to be in the lineup...but will he take minutes from Moore? Hell no. He'll grab some of the PK time HAGELIN had, the pittance of minutes tossed to SHEPPARD and probably nudge GLASS out of the lineup on some nights. He's not replacing anything that we still have from last year's run.

tdchi


Thu Aug 13 2015 6:42 am EST

Newfie/Ola, I like Moore as well, a team player for sure. Im not sure, but a lot of Ranger fans (not necessarily here) treat the third and fourth lines as if theyre filled with "wannabes and wereonce' players. Of course Im also a Glass and Sheppard fan. I know what these players were hired for and don't expect them to suddenly put on a Rangers jersey and become scoring machines. Gritzy, play from the gut players, team players. Some of my favorites.

WIOSA


Thu Aug 13 2015 6:27 am EST

one of my favorite 4 th lines was d moore, ortmeyer, and hollweg....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 13 2015 5:53 am EST

OLA................I agree with you 100% on Moore.. ( I hope that's not the "kiss of death" for him, cause that's what I was saying about Hags)...............don,t know why people are down grading Moore on here. All of your points on him are spot on..............

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Aug 12 2015 8:32 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-setoguchi-to-join-maple-leafs-can-he-rediscover-his-30-goal-ways/

mf


Wed Aug 12 2015 5:12 pm EST

Wild- I think there's much more to Dom Moore's game than his pts and FO stats. I definitely think he is one of the biggest reasons for this team's success the last years. The top end ability is not there, but for the first 3/4 of the ice he can match just about anyone. He is really smart and skates real well. Competes extremely well. How many teams have a 4th line center that can go head to head against a Crosby and skate with him and get the puck deep in their end as much as we spend in ours? I'd never move Dom Moore.

Ola


Wed Aug 12 2015 1:15 pm EST

LeoS: I would venture to guess, a mid level prospect or 3rd rounder along with a late 1st or early 2nd rounder depending on the team. Also if there was a bit of a bidding war, based on the cap hit Klein has and the quality of players both guys are, I could see that prospect level move up and a 3rd become a 2nd and as high as a mid first rounder. Thats just guessing based on what guys with good cap hits have brought on the D end of things.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 12 2015 12:29 pm EST

Wonder what Moore + Klein would fetch in a trade...not that I'm advocating moving either/both.

LeoS


Wed Aug 12 2015 10:08 am EST

OK, SO I imagine this will be talked about as camp gets going even if the chance of Moore being moved is near zero. STOLL vs MOORE. SO looking at stars like things, quantitative stuff (isn't the end all be all, but it helps compare) First Moore is a couple years older, and smaller, something to think about, but more of a longer term issue than a one season issue most likely. The first thing that jumps out at me (and is a plus for Stoll) is that he has nice time in all situations. Even, SH, and PP. Moore has 0:02 of PP ice time per game so basically he doesn't play the PP. Stoll has a bit less SH time than Moore, a minute more PP ice time and over a minute more even ice time per game. Next is hits, Moore had 55 hits last season, Stoll had 167...and don't give me the AV excuse, Moore just isn't a physical player, never has been, Stoll always has been. Face-offs (Stoll had about 1 more per game played than Moore so basically even numbers) Moore was slightly better (3.5%) than Stoll, but both were above 50%. Moore takes more shots. They are rather even, one is better in one area, the other is better in another....but it depends on what you want. Also, both have very similar offensive outputs, last season Stoll was 0.1 less points per game than Moore, looking back they have numbers that are at times closer than 0.1 ppg outputs and sometimes each has slightly more than the other so you end up about even there. For me looking at all this I would move Moore, and put Stoll in his spot, he hits more (something that would be nice from the 4th line) and doest really take much away from the team overall, and helps with the cap...something that is important. Looking at it cap wise, Moore isn't twice the player Stoll is, and that does come into play. Not that I "want" to move Moore, but if it was one or the other I would pick Stoll...at least now before camp starts.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:36 am EST

The Devils have signed the first-round draft pick Pavel Zacha to a three-year, $2.78 million entry-level contract.

rangerlou


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:31 am EST

BOB: Updated. It should show up in a few minutes.

Vic


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:29 am EST

Ok. I've made some additional changes so that you can now see the stat totals that everything is based on for the Skaters and Goaltenders. If you keep scrolling down on the page you can also see a section titled Bet Evaluations where you can see how each bet is currently going. I am still looking for a solution that will allow me to automate the updating of stats by pulling them from another site. Right now I have to update the stats manually on a Google Sheet. If it stays that way I will probably update things weekly. I have some thoughts about how to automate it and I will be working on it. Stay tuned. Also, anyone else who wants to get your bets in please do. Just post them here. Just post each bet number along with who you think will be the winner or put TIE (where appropriate) if you think they will tie.

Vic


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:28 am EST

Yandle, Mac.

Bob


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:23 am EST

BOB, MELVILLEFRED and RHET0RIC: I still need bets for you for #11 and #12.

Vic


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:22 am EST

DCIGolfer: You are in.

Vic


Wed Aug 12 2015 9:11 am EST

Tonight on MSG Network 9pm....Ranger vs Islanders 11 goal explosion from last February. LGR!!!!!

rangerlou


Wed Aug 12 2015 6:22 am EST

HAGS (goals) vs KREIDER (goals) CK TALBOT (wins) vs STEPAN (goals) DS MZA (points) vs HAYES (points) MZA BRASSARD (points) vs HANK (starts) HL GLASS (games) vs ETEM (games) EE ETEM (points) vs. DUCLAIR (points) EE STEPAN (faceoff percentage) vs HAYES (faceoff percentage) DS FAST (points) vs MILLER (points) JTM HANK (wins) vs NASH (goals) HL YANDLE (even strength goals) vs KLEIN (even strength goals) KY YANDLE vs KLEIN (First to be traded. NEITHER if you believe that both will stay with the team for the full season) NEITHER LINDBERG vs McILRATH (most NHL games played this season) JL

DCIGolfer


Wed Aug 12 2015 5:06 am EST

Stoll spoon and stahlberg have rings that's part of why they were signed so they will probably make the team unless they crash and burn in preseason or preplayoff season.

stevielegs


Tue Aug 11 2015 10:25 pm EST

I've been busy but working behind the scenes on the site. I think I've got everyone's updates in so far. If I've missed anyone let me know. I've also changed the way the info is aggregated so that now you can sort it by any column and there is a total #Correct column that you can sort to see who is the lead. HOSPO is the current leader in the clubhouse because he picked a tie for one of the bets. (http://rfccjc.com)

Vic


Tue Aug 11 2015 9:55 pm EST

RinkRat - There's no question about it...no debating it whatsoever: Faceoffs are absolutely critical to the game...you are essentially playing at a disadvantage every time you're getting beat up in the circle...I know a while back we kicked around a theory that the Rangers were making plays based on the high probability they'd lose the faceoff...and I think that's a distinctly possible. They've sucked at faceoffs for years now and between that and the faltering powerplay, it's really a miracle they've been as successful as they've been...I know if you take a team like the Bruins' cup winners a few years back, a HUGE asset to them was BERGERON, who was absolutely lethal at faceoffs...when the puck cleanly, control it, cycle...that was a Bruins' hallmark...and the sad thing about the Rangers is that if they actually had a good faceoff guy in the center on the top line, they could mimic that sort of play pretty easily...their forwards cycle with the best of them...STEPAN, KREIDER, ZUCC, BRASSARD. HAYES and MILLER...even FAST are great at controlling the puck low...but if you can't win a clean draw...then the whole play needs to reset and you have to rely on someone forcing a turnover...was absolutely maddening their lack of prowess in the circle...oddly enough, it seemed to get better against Tampa...but Washington simply owned them it seemed...And while I don't think a center like Step or Brass will learn much from Stoll...having another guy in the lineup better than 50 percent is a very good addition, especially when he can hit and hold his own defensively...the other thing...someone equated him to MOORE? Well, he's much better than Mooredom at faceoffs.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 9:46 pm EST

re: MILLER - He's always been good at faceoffs...from juniors to the WJCS to Hartford to the NHL...and that's one of the reasons I was(and to a degree, remain)thinking he'd be a centerman in NY. Agree with JFC that a great asset to these forward lines is that we have so many natural centermen now...get two guys who can win draws on the same line and then it doesn't matter if the first one gets thrown out of the circle.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 9:41 pm EST

Hospo - Here's the thing: STOLL, while I don't believe he'll ever exceed more than 30 points in the NHL, was playing a fourth-line grinder role with LA...on a lot of teams, he would have been a third-line center...And while I certainly don't think he's a spring chicken, I'm not so certain I'd say he's "on the decline" so to speak...33 is not that old, even in today's NHL...he's a solid situational player...as long as he's not expected to play a second-line role....and there's no indication that's a place he'll end up unless there's a catastrophic rash of injuries...the guy is there to add toughness, win draws and upgrade the bottom six...he adds depth and that's what the Rangers continually lack going into the playoffs...is he going to win the cup for the Rangers? Not by himself...but as a depth signing, he's about as good as they come...and to add to this thought, the only criticism I've read from the pundits...many of whom RELISH bashing the Rangers' moves...was that they could have sweated him out until September and gotten him for $200k less...many were lauding this as a great signing with all upside and no downside.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 9:31 pm EST

gene_carr - interesting thought, re: GIRARDI...only problem is he's on the right...YANDLE is on the left...easiest solution would have been to move STAAL, but then you're really messing with chemistry...honestly, I think Yandle was a move made with the best intentions in mind...and one that may still payoff in the long run...but in the end, one that was rather ill-conceived given that Staal and McDONAGH are two defenseman I just wouldn't move...and unless the puckmover you land is a righty, you're pretty much SOL. But we'll see what happens. I still suspect he ends up getting moved before the deadline for someone who will better fit under the cap.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 9:18 pm EST

The cup is nigh - Stoll is a Ranger!!

RF4L


Tue Aug 11 2015 7:19 pm EST

Per Jeff Cox of ESPNBoston.... Multiple sources have indicated BU assistant Steve Greeley will leave Terriers program to join scouting staff with New York Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:38 pm EST

JFC - Don't you think from that description, the schlub would have scored more than 14 GOALS COMBINED the last two healthy years? God help us if this is how Gorton evaluates players and their roles..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:17 pm EST

And speaking of Stoll on the PP, this just popped up on the Internet...Gorton:"You look at (Jarret Stoll) on the ice and he's a guy that can play all three positions--both wings and center--and he can kill penalties, and it's well-documented he can win faceoffs. He can move up and down the lineup, too. He's played on the power play and can really shoot the puck, and he can play the point on the power play. I think all of those factors went into our decision on this one. I think he'll fit in well, and I think (the signing) helps us moving forward." "We did some things (this summer) we felt we needed to do in order to improve our team, but when we come back and play hockey again that's when people can evaluate our moves and decisions. Each move is a little separate from the other, and this one we felt like was an opportunity to improve our team." Again, sounds like Stoll is envisioned by the best as penciled in for the Rangers lineup.

JFC31


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:13 pm EST

And this may sound weird considering his recent run-in with the law, but Stoll is known as a "character" guy who does a lot of community outreach and charity work.....and we know the Rangers value that as an organization

JFC31


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:09 pm EST

HOSPO -- not me....AV!! :^) when Stoll was with LA they used him on the PP. He goes to the net well and he's got a good one-timer, so the Rangers might see him as part of the PP remake.

JFC31


Tue Aug 11 2015 4:39 pm EST

JFC - I truly do not understand..Why are you putting a declining SIX GOAL scorer on the Power play? Isn't it bad enough? Movable parts are a good thing, IF they are good movable parts.

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 4:08 pm EST

Its possible that part of the plan for next year is to keep top,guys "fresher" as the year progresses by having guys like Stoll and Stahlberg do the PKing. Also, having Stolll on the PP would give him extra icetime if he ends up on the 4th line. Similar to last year, Rangers seem to value giving AV "flexibility" with guysnthabcan playnanvariety of roles and "move up,and down the lineup" as Gorton said about Stoll. Think of how many guys on the Rangers that applies to right now....Stoll, Miller, Fast, Moore, Stahlberg, Hayes. That portends a lot more of the usual 1/2 season of line juggling by AV before he starts to figure out who his bottom 6 and top 6 are....especially bottom 6 line spots.

JFC31


Tue Aug 11 2015 4:01 pm EST

oy vey iz mir, stop schvitzing about the lineup at this time of the year already... Appears like we're in good shape for camp, some players will surprise, some will disappoint, there will be a n injury or two or three.. Guys will get sent down, we'll start (or continue) to talk trades ;-), and either a top 6 or top nine will become available during the season or at the deadline, and we'll be fine..... Stop the vorrying.....

mf


Tue Aug 11 2015 3:34 pm EST

RinkRat _ I agree, and think Moore is the best we have at it, as well as not declining like Stoll and and without the drug stigma either.

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 3:13 pm EST

HOSPO - By "Face-Off" guru I meant being able to relay tips/tricks/techniques to the other centers on the roster. Not to restart the whole Wall face-off importance debate, but to me, I think FO's are a huge part of the game. I truly wish this club had someone that dominated on the dots. I would think a NHL caliber Center that can control the majority of his FO's has to be like a MLB left handed pitcher....you'd have a job until the wheels completely fall of your game. Not expecting Stoll to dominate, but might (might!) be a option for big FO's, end of game, up/down by one.....we shall see.

RinkRat


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:56 pm EST

RinkRat - Good stuff...But Stoll is far from a FO guru...His W/L % has decreased each year over the last four years to around 51%..Still good, but not much for a FO specialist.. I'll take Dominic Moore at a consistent 54-55% any day..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:52 pm EST

RHET - LINDBERG i s not a natural THIRD center, he's a natural center. period..Good enough for the NHL yet, even as a 4th center? Maybe..maybe not..Didn't JT MILLER play alot of C coming upo through his prospect-minor career?..As for Step-vs Miller in FOs;,,,If you look at the numbers for regular season last year, they are indeed close..But MILLER markedley improved during the year to where he was about the best on the team after the trade deadline..In addition, in the PO's Step was at 41% while Miller was at 54%, not even remotely close..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:42 pm EST

RR: Good post. I echo the Kreider breakout pining and I, too, am not fretting much over Stalberg's signing - depth only and surely he will not get dressed much if he's not proving worthwhile. I remain concerned about the lack of top end skill to help Nash, which is why I'm hoping Kreider ups his game (to 30+ goals). I remain concerned that the other weakness I see is a lack of physicality and why I am pulling for McI to force his way on the club - that is, the steadiness of his game in the 2nd half of last year (that continued thru the Pack's extended PO run) was genuine and he's truly finally ready to make that big step. I don't care that it'll mean a crowded backline - that's always a good thing. If that happens, I hope somehow Gorton is able to convince Girardi to agree to a trade. Not that I'm expecting it to happen mind you....

RF4L


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:39 pm EST

RHET - So I'm to believe the Rangers signed Stalberg as their prime FA becasue he TALKED to the King? Is that the kind of GM Gorton is? I doubt it, but if he is ..Screw him...You don't sign a guy on the first day of FA unless you want him, the Rangers wanted Stalberg....

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:31 pm EST

Ha, Stevie & Bob -- My first thought was of the immortal 'Spoon' Murdoch ... remember Shero dealt him to Edmonton for Cam Connor -- but he THOUGHT he had made the deal for Colin Campbell. I guess the Fog was visiting Jack Daniels when he made that one.

Nick


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:29 pm EST

I know you are all wondering "What does RinkRat think?"; so I will tell ya. 1) I am not expecting much at all from Stoll. If he could possibly help Stepan and Hayes (if his future lies at Center) by being a "Face-Off Guru" then I think that is something. I hope he surprises me but not counting on it. 2) If Stalberg is playing any higher than 4th line then the NYR have been hit by injuries. He can skate like crazy but cannot finish worth a damn. Most useful on the PK. 3) I could see Miller at Center but AV has him on such a short leash, and Centers have more responsibility that Wings, would AV even consider it? I think he is close to putting it together; was getting to all the rights spots in the PO's. 4) I believe Yandle will be a good addition this year. I'm thinking he really makes the PP somewhat potent this year. Hopefully his defensive yips were a result of being back in important games in the Spring and he has settled. 5) Breakout year for Krieder? I think so, hoping he pots 30 this year. Thats all for now....I'm spent.

RinkRat


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:29 pm EST

gene_carr actually in the first defensive pairing I would view Ryan as the more offensive Dman, and Girardi as a stay-at-home guy. I don't think I would pair McDonagh and Yandle as they both like to 'wander'. Staal is probably the one in Yandle's way...so to speak. ..as always, JMHO

WIOSA


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:18 pm EST

Hospo.... He's a natural 3rd line center, Miller is not. He's also superior on faceoffs, while Miller's numbers are similar to Stepan's.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:16 pm EST

Hospo.... Who targeted Stalberg? He had conversations with Hank, decided the NYR were the best fit for him and the rest was "as they say" history. If you want to blame anyone for him, blame Hank.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:14 pm EST

RHET - Agree with Hayes as a To 6 wing...Another reason it should be Miller at 3rd C...:)...And how is this a better team if Lindberg wins the 3rd C spot if he hasn't even shown he can play in the NHL yet?...i'd rather see him try and win a spot on the team first (which I think he will have a hard time doing) before ascending to the 3rd line..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:10 pm EST

JFC - A declining six goal scorer with drug problems can move up and down the line-up? Give me a freaking break (not directed at you JFC!)....Are the Rangers THAT bad (I don't think so)?..Possibly move to wing if the only other option is Tanner Glass maybe.....But I have no doubt that, just as with the targetted Stalberg, Gorton and his cronies view these guys as, at worst, 3rd-4th liners....I have serious reservations about Gorton's assesment abiities of NHL pros..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 2:08 pm EST

JMO, but I expect Hayes to get moved up to Stepan's wing. This will be a better team if Lindberg wins the 3rd line center spot over, I think it will be the best possible outcome for the team. If not, I could see Moore being moved to the 3rd line and Stoll being 4th. Stoll has been putting up 4th line numbers while getting 3rd line minutes over the past four seasons. Dom looks like he could still put up better numbers. I could also see Moore and Stoll playing together on the 4th line(Glass never plays a full season anyway). Moore always looked more comfortable playing with Sheppard than Glass anyway. Speaking of Sheppard: What did the guy do or not do that the NYR didn't like? He's physical, plays with smarts, scores a bit and will even drop the gloves every now and again. What's not to like? He's also 6 years younger than Stoll. I really don't get it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 11 2015 1:58 pm EST

Jeff Gorton on Stoll: "he's a guy who can play all three forward positions, can penalty kill, win faceoffs and move up and down the lineup." Doesn't sound like Gorton sees Stoll as any thing other than being on the NHL roster...we'll see.

JFC31


Tue Aug 11 2015 1:43 pm EST

ooops....don't suspect...

RF4L


Tue Aug 11 2015 1:42 pm EST

I realize one shouldn't judge and all that but Stoll is a well known athlete making (well was) big bucks and therefore, things that he does outside the game can and will get discussed and dissected depending on what they are, good or bad. The drugs found on him doesn't sound like someone new to that game. Just how into that scene is he? To the extent it affected his game? Alas, such a troubling thing happens more often that many of us suspect in pro sports. I look at his numbers and they really dropped off the last 4 years. Hopefully (for him more than the Rangers) that's purely coincidental...

RF4L


Tue Aug 11 2015 1:37 pm EST

WILD - My bet is that BOTH MILLER and Hayes know what they need to improve on to be better all around players..Hopefully we see some of that improvement this year--the Ranger's forward lines desperately needs it..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 1:02 pm EST

In response to the responders: It isn't that I do not like Girardi. I just do not see how Yandle can be properly utilized unless he is given more ice time and currently that is blocked by Girardi. Possibly G is dropped to second pairing with Stall and Klein moves down, but until they straighten this out we are not getting full value.

gene_carr


Tue Aug 11 2015 12:50 pm EST

HOSPO: Oh yeah...Hayes was making mistakes as well...just with the puck instead of without. He actually talked about how he held onto the puck too long, I think it was an interview with Cerny this offseason, but I might be wrong not he timing. Anyway he said he needed to make sure that he moved the puck quicker this season, and that when he did that last season it worked well, but he has a habit of hanging onto the puck when he is thinking too much. SO hopefully mentally he will be in the right place and he will use his team mates more and move the puck quicker.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 11 2015 12:32 pm EST

BREAKING: Jets QB Geno Smith out 6-10 weeks after suffering a broken jaw in a locker room fight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 11 2015 12:03 pm EST

JFC -we can say that about any player and any roll...Contrary to the belief of some, none of us internet bozos really KNOW a god damn thing..But, that doesn't stop us from making educated or un-educated guesses! If we didn't, the place would be a morgue!.........And I'll say this, if STOLL is even an option for 3rd line C, this team up front is, I'm sorry, fucked! JMWO

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 11:57 am EST

WILD - I know what a center does.....and I know Miller was struggling at some of the roles, and I constantly harped on it...But I also think some of it was lack of confidence and comfort which he didn't gain until late in the season....I am not saying hand him a job, I'm saying give him another shot becasue it could really work in the Rangers favor,,And mostly becasue the other options for 3rd center absolutley positively suck! .As for Kevin Hayes at center, especially late in the season, his errors (holding oto the puck too long, getting caught in the offensive zone, excessive looping) were there jsut as much as MIller....Like MIller, hopefully confidence and experience will imporove his all around game...One is needed to be the center in my eyes and it would be short sighted not to give both the chance in camp......You can say the same about Lindberger, I guess, but he first has to prove he can play in the NHL like Hayes and Miller have..

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 11:52 am EST

I think it's pretty clear that we're all just guessing what the Rangers envision Stoll's position/icetime to be....no way we can know whatbGorton and AV are thinking. Camp is gonna tell the tale about how the season STARTS...and that usually benefits the vets who are experienced and/or desperate to make the team. That's why I think Stoll will start the season at 3rd line C. However, once the season starts, we'll have a much better idea if the veterans' camp saavy can translate long term or will they fall back as the young guys like Lindberg get comfy and start asserting themselves when they get a chance due to I jury, maintenance days for vets or poor vet performance. I also think there's a good chance that a deal,will be made before the season starts to pare down the roster, based on what the coaching staff see in preseason.

JFC31


Tue Aug 11 2015 11:28 am EST

adding to my last to clarify. I don't just mean the brain farts, the kid just doesn't have really good defensive instincts it seems. He ends up having to react a lot, and doesn't have great positioning, Its not a bad thing really, not everyone can do that well, but if I had to chose I would want Hayes having the defensive responsibility he tends to be in position more often, still has to learn but he was better at the start of last year than Miller, and I would bet he will improve quickly, maybe the two out there together, and have Miller take most of the draws until Hayes starts getting better at that area.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 11 2015 11:23 am EST

HOSPO: Millers problem is that the C is repressible for the defensive stuff among the forwards, and he isn't good there...at least not yet, and I doubt he has taken any big steps over the summer. I agree he should be given a shot, and even take face-offs as a wing when possible, but to be the center may be over his head, and that may be what he is, a wing who can step in and help out the C on face-offs and maybe fill in a a game or two for injuries and the like.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 11 2015 11:14 am EST

Don Murdoch has endorsed the Stoll signing.

Bob


Tue Aug 11 2015 10:52 am EST

Just to be clear, I do not dislike STOLL..a perfectly fine, albeit declining everywhere, 4th line center, nothing else..But, until we trade Dom Moore or DM gets hurt, I see little benefit/value to the signing...I guess nothing wrong with having him as a Black Ace either at his low price.....I just think we could have done a hell of alot better player wise with the money that was spent on Stalberg and quasi-redundat Stoll................................Anyway, more importantly, do people around here really forsee the 3rd and 4th center being some combo of Moore, Stoll and Lindberger? Add that to the softness of Step and Brass as the top two centers and,Yikes, talk about a recipe for disaster.....Totally foolish in my eyes not to give JT MILLER and/or Hayes the shot at C in camp...IMWO, the Rangers desperately need a player like MILLER in the middle, a player who has shown he's a solid FO man, has shown a few spurts of offense and can easily handle the physical play in the NHL..Give him September to show he's worked the brain farts out of his system..or not..If he has, it will be a huge benefit to the Rangers...If not MIller, work with Hayes to be more complete at C.....

Hospo


Tue Aug 11 2015 10:32 am EST

gene_carr: I guess you must be a BSB fan...they love to hate Giradi there....

Wildcard


Tue Aug 11 2015 9:17 am EST

Hip, I truly thought they would win it all last year.

WIOSA


Tue Aug 11 2015 8:58 am EST

I don't know, but this team seems stacked & poised to put it all together this year, IMO. I never truly believed in my heart of hearts they could do it last year. But this season, I think they will play it smarter during the regular season (using their depth to rotate and rest guys a lot more)... while lining things up to peak at playoff time. Regular season will have some up and downs, culminating in a 6 or 7 seed, then get hot in the playoffs.

hipcheck


Tue Aug 11 2015 8:55 am EST

Per Andrew Gross..... Ranger Rants: GM Jeff Gorton doesn't envision making more offseason moves, not interested in grading one's he's made

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 11 2015 8:40 am EST

BTW Stevie...my teasing post to MF is he should be changing his pick on who will get more ice time from Oscar to Dylan if he truly believes that Stoll is a good deal....since it's Oscars time that Stoll will be taking right?

WIOSA


Tue Aug 11 2015 8:09 am EST

Stevielegs, I agree it will be Lindberg that will be most affected - at least it appears so. That said, I don't think AV likes Vets more, well, there are Vets (Zucc, McDonagh, Girardi, Klein, etc) and then there are Vets (MSL, Boyle - ? Stoll). I think, like most coaches he likes the former, and feels he needs some of the latter to balance out the youth he's bringing in......Gene_Carr, Seriously? You don't like Girardi? I think he's great, a good stay at home dman. I like Yandle a lot, but he's really not a stay at home guy....Just MHO

WIOSA


Tue Aug 11 2015 7:22 am EST

wiosa if anyone limburgher will probably be most affected by the stoll spoon signing.. maybe new name stoonll ..veenyo likes vets more than kids......

stevielegs


Tue Aug 11 2015 7:20 am EST

There is really no problems with the forward lines. Training camp and pre-season will sort out the bottom 6-7 players. Hartford or waivers will not hurt but will only provide back-up or roster space. The major problem is on D. Yandle needs to be elevated in the pairings or moved. He is wasted as a third pairing. The bottleneck as I see it is Girardi. His subtraction and Yandles enhancement would be an improvement IMO.

gene_carr


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:49 am EST

MF, hmmmm, you really excited about Stoll? (Im not) Enough to change your number 12 pick to Dylan?? LOL....just sweetening the pot....(Evil Grin)

WIOSA


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:49 am EST

Veenknow will play a few in msl's spot and juggle the bottom six most of the year as usual. That's how he coaches. My concern is the playoff coaching . And the pp joke.

stevielegs


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:41 am EST

Here's how I see the team filling out: MILLER-STEPAN-KREIDER: You've got Miller help with faceoffs...two puck distributors with sick hands and a guy with blazing speed and a quick release. Perfect line...ZUCCARELLO-BRASSARD-NASH: Same thing. Two creative puck distributors anchored by a guy who can score goals. ETEM-HAYES-STOLL: Here's where I get a little uncertain. I still think Hayes' destiny is on wing. But I tell you what: This line would be a nasty one to contain. Speed, size and skill. Stoll takes most of the faceoffs...LINDBERG-MOORE-FAST: Three defensively-sound forwards. Three guys who can all score. Though I think FAST really should be in the top nine, he'd make fourth line a nasty one to face. And he has very good chemistry with Lindberg...Bench: GLASS/STALBERG: Swap Glass in for Lindberg against tough opponents and Stalberg in for Etem if he falters or hits a rough patch. I know some will disagree with me here, but I think the Rangers are a much deeper team going into the season this year...not nearly the questions they had going into last season...in specific, the Rangers are looking VERY strong up the middle now, where as last season between the Step injury and Hayes conversion, they looked pretty weak.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:30 am EST

Hospo - You could look at it this way: A couple of days ago, a pack of brain-dead Pens fans were yanking their cranks over Pittsburgh signing none other than Matt CULLEN, who's better days preceded his stint with the Rangers...He too signed a one-year $800,000 deal...If you look at the STOLL signing in that way, it's a goddamn windfall.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:18 am EST

Ola - Not sure where I read it, but one of the beat writers was saying STOLL is here to start...Certainly if he comes to camp looking like Phil KESSEL after a jelly donut-eating binge, he could end up in Hartford...But when a guy is 55 percent in faceoffs...and your team average hovers around 46 or 47 percent, that's a guy who was signed to play...The big question is who does he force from the lineup? The easy answer would be LINDBERG...but I don't think that will be the case...I'd be very surprised if we get past game 10 without Lindberg getting regular playing time...no way he replaces MOORE either, absent him suddenly hitting a downward spiral...but even last year, more seemed to be more effective than the year before...then that leaves us with GLASS, STALBERG, and ETEM. I think you could very well see Stoll joining Glass and Stalberg...and if he falters, Etem...in a regular juggle as the team's fourth-line wingers...Stoll essentially joins the Rangers as a specialist to take faceoffs, kill penalties and join the second line PP. IMO, the players who will lose time with Stoll in the lineup are those three...plus it means guys like GIBBONS, MEGNA and ADAM are all Hartford-bound...and a guy like Ryan BOURQUE isn't likely to get a very long look...but I'd be surprised if Stoll ends up in Hartford. Very surprised actually.

tdchi


Tue Aug 11 2015 6:16 am EST

Im not sure where stoll fits in here. Im not sour on him like hospo but thats a lot of guys fighting to not be sent down. You have stoll, miller, and lindberg fighting for third line center, you could even say hayes. So if stoll wins then what? Hayes and miller shift to wing? That means you have fast miller hayes stalberg etim all trying to fill spots? One of miller hayes fast replaces msl then you have hags spot to replace which my guess will be fought between stalberg etim fast obviously guys are being brought in for Hartford but stalberg and etim in my mind werent brought here for that stoll maybe but this guy can win the third line center spot imo IDK this team just got deep or they are worse off than previously thought imo. 4 years ago Stoll would have been perfect

York18


Tue Aug 11 2015 5:21 am EST

The nyr finally bought a new "spoon".....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:59 pm EST

Yeah, after popping some molly he'll be happy to block shots...ecstatic, AAMOF!! :^)

JFC31


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:15 pm EST

That's the ticket ... that finely-shaved ice might remind him of something.

Nick


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:11 pm EST

NICK--Yeah. He will be brave enough to dive in front if it.

Bob


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:03 pm EST

Hey, maybe Stoll will be in the d-zone in a tied Game Seven third period next spring, and check a guy before he takes one of those wicked sliding 35-foot backhanders along the ice! Heh, heh. Yeah I'm bored and cranky. Hospo how about them Dodgers? $179 zillion payroll and no leadoff man, no speed and no bullpen until the 9th.

Nick


Mon Aug 10 2015 7:38 pm EST

When you add character, experience & effort striving for redemption... look out brother'!! NHL, you have been warned, The Rangers are stockpiling for 2016 playoff war.

hipcheck


Mon Aug 10 2015 6:57 pm EST

Hospo- Given our depth Stoll could be HFD bound. I think many of these signings don't make sense if you look at like 1st or even 2nd line of back-ups. But OTOH like when we had Kostka and Hunwick playing as 2 of 4 healthy Ds, sometimes you need to use 3, 4 or even 5th options. I think they basically conclude that we have an opening for a depth player and see that Stoll is a right handed shot that can play wing and center, is good on FOs, is a proven winner, is good on the PP etc (he plays exactly the role of Step on the PP). You know, if Step blows a groin and Brass breaks a hand in camp, or whatever, someone like Stoll definitely would help out in a top 4 of Hayes, Moore and Lindberg at center.

Ola


Mon Aug 10 2015 6:13 pm EST

And there are not many 3rd/4th line guys who will save the day if you lose a top 6 player. If they were that good they wouldn't be settling for a 3rd/4th line role.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 6:11 pm EST

Stalberg produced a slightly better rate for every 60 minutes played last season. And Stalberg got .40 ppl while Fehr was .44 points per game. So I guess .04 ppl shows a guy is more of a 3rd liner than a 4th. Unless it's all about defensive play only. But to say Stalberg is only a 4th line player but Fehr can be a 3rd line guy...doesn't make sense. Again Stalberg is playing for his NHL career, and he has skills. You don't accidentally score 20 goals on a cup team.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:53 pm EST

TDCHI - To me, from what I've seen over the past few years and what the numbers show is that STOLL is nothing but a 4th line C (and the second best one on the team)..Stallbeg nothing but a 4th liner /Black ace....These are not guys that are gonna save the day if there is an injury to Step or Brassd at C. or at W...But this is where I disagree with you and obviously Ranger management...So, guess time will tell.... .And you bet your sweet Bippy I'd rather have Fehr than both these two..Capable of playing 3rd line W or C.......Where I agree with you is the not having or wanting to rely on Lindberger at C if we get an injury..Personally, I'd rather go with Miller and/or Hayes in the pivot then trying to slot Stoll/Lindberer or even Moore there ..33-35 year old 4th centers are 4th centers, nothing else...

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:42 pm EST

RF4L - Better skater, better faceoff guy, more flexible. not on a three year downward trend like Stoll....Stoll is more physical but that's all I give him versus Moore....None of this is saying Stoll sucks as a 4th line C, he doesn't..but we already have Moore..

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:39 pm EST

Hospo - there you go with FEHR again...don't get your love for the guy. He was a perineal underachiever until Washington dumped him and he underachieved with the Jets. Then when he got a rep for being a bottom-line player, he reinvented himself with a couple solid years in Washington. But at $2 million per and three years? No thanks. Glad Pittsburgh jumped on that grenade. As for your aversion to STOLL and for that matter, STALBERG: I don't get that either. Even DIAZ...this are very low-risk signings that could have a HUGE upside. The former two are both former 20-goal scorers with cup rings. The latter is a perfectly serviceable defenseman who we can keep on the bench for long stretches. And all three are easily demotable players. But of there's one thing we don't want, it's to get caught with a young, inexperienced player like LINDBERG trying to pull weight he's not necessarily ready to haul..take for instance the STEPAN injury last year...the Rangers were almost wholly incapable of plugging his absence because LOMBARDI couldn't make the team(no surprise) MILLER wasn't ready and MUELLER was a dud. If something like that happens now, we are much better prepared to deal. And bottom line is all three could end up on the waiver wire by mid-season without any ramifications for next season... it have been nice to have Fehr for fourth or third line, but not for the next three years. We already have one Tanner GLASS...

tdchi


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:25 pm EST

this cap mess could decide more than ability should.....veenyo might get forced to keep cheaper players over better players....wild ' might'.......

stevielegs


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:24 pm EST

And lest we forget, one of the bigger frustration points for the Rangers last year (and before then, too) is their penchant for losing important FOs. That's one of Stoll's strengths I believe. That alone gives him some value.

RF4L


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:22 pm EST

Hospo: Is Moore the better player? I don't know. I need to see Stoll play to decide that.

RF4L


Mon Aug 10 2015 4:10 pm EST

RF4L - Agree about the redundnacy, but MOORE is the better player and FO guy..It's a move that brings in redundancy unless, as WILD pointed out, the idea is to deal Moore and drop the higher salary. Personally, I'd go with the better player in this instance, but O could see it...Well, that is unless you want 4th line Centers at both your 3rd and 4th line C spot..

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 3:50 pm EST

I think it's more than reasonable to envision Stoll making Moore redundant. I'm not predicting that but they are both bottom 6 centers and at their respective career points, probably best suited to center the 4th line with some ability to step into the 3rd line role temporarily if needed.

RF4L


Mon Aug 10 2015 3:18 pm EST

HOSPO: Its not a fans wish. I am one of the few who sees value in Glass. However, I put nothing in stone, well not much, Nash will make the team, he will likely be on the number 1 line...but at a LW or a RW? There are many many questions.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 3:09 pm EST

WILD - I don't see Moore or Stoll at Wing, nor do I see Glass getting the bum's rush out here..let's just deal with likely realities not fan wishes...

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 3:00 pm EST

Seems to me there are only really like 3 or 4 guys fighting for 2 spots on the bottom 6. Not a bunch. MOST of the signings this offseason are NOT for the Rangers...to start at least. They are headed for Hartford, and the best of the group will be put on the call-up list. Tis idea that they have signed a bunch of guys to fight for roster spots is silly at best. Yes every guy will fight for one, but only so many have a real shot and they would have to be just completely amazing in camp to even have a sniff. Lindberg and Stralberg along with Stoll are really the ones in a fight for forward spots, Diaz and McIlrath are fighting for D spots...beyond that...not really much in the way of guys fighting for spots. UNLESS Stoll outdoes Moore, than thats different...it may be Moore on the way out. HOSPO, so if its Stoll with Moore and Someone not names Glass the team is worse than if Glass is in for Stoll?

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 2:00 pm EST

Hospo that fehr ship sailed, and they seem to be going after quantity for the bottom 2 lines......and hope quality appears...in 3-4 weeks of practice and preseason games.....but the bring in 40 guys instead of 25-30, which makes a bigger decision mess.....not sure why they waste time on that....and I know the pat taste of nhl answer.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:39 pm EST

Oh and I should add for VIC's bet table: 11. Klein. 12. Lindberg

LeoS


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:31 pm EST

Well it could be that the Rangers are not sold on Lindbergh. Lots of time between now and camp. Who knows what they have up their sleeves.

Bob


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:31 pm EST

WILD - If Stoll is playing on the team in addition to Dom Moore, it is not a very good team..and thus not a win-win..

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:29 pm EST

STEVIES - Perhaps..As an example - Screw Stallberg and Stoll, and sign somebody like Fehr instead (and use Lindberg)....Quality over quantity..

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:27 pm EST

Again...Stalberg will surprise many I think The guys NHL career in 100% on the line. If he has another poor year he is going to get AHL contracts or overseas contracts, thats it. That kind of all or nothing situation does one of two things. Brings out the best in a player or makes they crumble. If he crumbles he will be released (like that one center last year was released) if he plays well he will be a good 3rd line or 4th line guy. Diaz I don't get the hatred of. He played well in his little go around with the Rangers, he is a depth guy and the only fiscal stuff I worry about has to do with the cap. The actual expenditures of the Rangers don't matter one bit...if a players isn't on the roster and doesn't count against the cap I could care less how much money they are giving him. Thats Stoll, if he is playing well enough to be on the team he will be an asset...if not he counts for nothing, its win win.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:25 pm EST

Hospo with the cap and about 16 guys eating up 68.25 of 71/73? , they have to sign inexpensive guys for the other 4/5/6/ or 7 spots.....otherwise gamble with green nhl kids.....either way they have to fill the roster and hope for good surprises.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:24 pm EST

This one's for Stollsy: Molly. Muh-muh-muh-Molly, such a curious name. I say it again and again and it still sounds just the same. Molly. Muh-muh-muh-Molly turns my lovelight on. Every night we'll be talking on the phone til just about dawn. On a drive down I-95 with Molly's snow-white hand in mine, chemical factories and halogen lights and shivers down my spine. Can I be thinking thoughts of love, why does this always take me by surprise? I must confess her sweet caress hit me like Cupid's arrow right between the eyes. Molly, Muh-muh-muh-Molly make it better now Molly, Muh-muh-muh-Molly make it alright...

LeoS


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:20 pm EST

WI:LD - First off, that arguement could be made about any opinion by any yahoo on this board...Same thing could be said of the Kings personnel guys....But. it's aloso obvious that personnel men make a lot of mistakes...everywhere......Second, if he only is good enough to provide 4th line center insurance. maybe the money would have been better spent on another player who could help NY more? I will agree that Stoll would provide a good call up to replace a 4th liner but is this what we were pinching pennies one and signing scum like Stallberg, Daiz, etc....? ......Now, to me, your most important point is that perhaps the Rangers want to use Stoll In Dom Moore's spot while dumping Moore's higher salary....Then I could see the validity in the signing even if I think Moore is the better player right now....Otherwise, the move doesn;t make much fiscal or hockey sense to me..

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:20 pm EST

mf: Don't be so sure about Glass. I think AV wants the best team he can get out of camp. If Glass doesn't do well, and that means do what AV wants from him as a 4th line guy, he will not be on the team. I have yet to see anything that says AV will keep a guy in camp just because he likes him....there are reasons why guys get cut as camp goes, and reasons why guys stay. But Glass isn't some guy that AV will loose a better player over. I don't think "that" guy exists not he team.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 1:10 pm EST

MF--Glass in untouchable. He is AV's boy. He is not going anywhere, IMO.

Bob


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:58 pm EST

Stoll is a RHS to boot.... yes.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2184

mf


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:55 pm EST

I am psyched that we signed Stoll, and for $800K to boot... The guy has plenty of playoff experience, big body, and we we have an abundance of depth to construct the lower 6...... I believe this is a great approach with the possibility of landing a top 3 or 6 player through the season or at the trade deadline.. If we stand in the context that we're built from the net out, we're solid in goal, damn near tops in the league on defense, a plethora of guys to fight for a spot on the 4th & 3rd lines, which will put pressure for the guys vying to stay in the top 6, ie: Hayes, Miller, Fast...... I don't know where this leaves Sheppard, I guess on the outside looking in, or with a courtesy invite to summer camp, but has anyone suggested trading Tanner glass & his $1.450,000 charm necklace? Who would take him at this point in time? Pittsburgh? ..... Again, excellent Veteran Depth signing IMO... This is going to be good..... :-) ......

mf


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:54 pm EST

HOSPO: First off, I trust the Ragners ability to look at players more than anyone on this wall. Second..he is FAR from a waste of cash. At the WORST he goes to Hartford and bring Stanley Cup winning experience and mentality to team that will have a few possible one day NHL players....well at least a couple. I mean, is Stoll really a bad call up option for injury or if a kid or another F falters badly? Everyone gets all up in arms when I mention it...but perhaps we have seen the end of Moore. Its not that I want him gone, but perhaps they feel they can get the same amount of impact out of a guy who makes half the money. I am nearly certain Moore is gone after this season anyway so why would they really care if they feel they will not have much if any step back from another player?

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:50 pm EST

Hey, the Stoller! Which "line" will he be on? 33, speed timed with a sundial -- hey, why not? You know I'm an ageist but it ain't my money. Well, it sort of is our money. But whatever.

Nick


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:50 pm EST

BOB - Any combination of Moore , Stoll and Lindberger as the 3r/4th centers is a joke...The best player, and best FO guy, of the three right now is without a doubt DOM MOORE and he belongs at 4th CENTER...But people here are hoping for something Stoll (hah!)/Moore (or Lindberg) behind Brass and Step..That is a weak team down the middle............HAYES or MILLER, preferably JT who arguably just might be the best FO guy on the team (him vs Dom), needs to be at center..

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:50 pm EST

if I'm not mistaken , limburger and big mac have to clear waivers if not kept on the nhl roster. ...together they make a stinky cheeseburger......in name only.....

stevielegs


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:36 pm EST

Poss. Dupe: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/nhlpa-strikes-back-for-mike-richards-files-grievance-contesting-contract-termination/

mf


Mon Aug 10 2015 12:31 pm EST

Stoll was seeing less and less ice time in LA prior to his Las Vegas incident. Basically playing on the PP (He has a great one-timer) and on the PK. The Kings were not re-signing him regardless. Now, for the Rangers he probably ends up 3rd line center, which I am njot thrilled about. As HOSPO said, if they didn't have Dom Moore already he would have been an ideal #4C. Will Hayes be a winger now? It will be nice to have someone that can win a face off though. Kind of sucks for Lindbergh, but if Stoll craps out it allows them to bring Lindbergh in slowly. And, Carol Alt will finally have been replaced.

Bob


Mon Aug 10 2015 11:56 am EST

As for STOLL, although he is declining year by year in play and FO ability, I would have no problem with him as a 4th Center....Kinda a poor mans Dominic Moore right now...But, as it turns out, we already have the original Dominic Moore and a Kid (Lindberger) who's only spot on the team right now would be to sub in for Moore...Basically, STOLL is just a WASTE OF CASH...but pretty much goes with the them of this off-season...Would have taken a chance on somebody else

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 11:55 am EST

STALLBERG may end up a STEMP but he wasn';t signed as one....Stemp was almost signed as an after thought while Stallberg was targetted by the Rangers new brain trust at the opening of free agency..They want him on the 3rd/4th line..Which really makes me question their assessment abilities!....

Hospo


Mon Aug 10 2015 11:49 am EST

rhet0ric - dig it...but echoing what JFC said, I think STOLL is a lock to make the team. Im frankly surprised there weren't other takers. I think the difference between him and MALONE was that the latter was clearly in a career tailspin. Stoll definitely made a poor contract year decision with drugs(though I suspect if you could be a fly on the wall in a lot of organizations, you'd find a shockingly high number of players using such substances)...but he played good last year. His point totals have really been a factor of his assignment, IMO. Was just talking to a friend about him and we agreed he'd be a third line center on a lot of teams, including the Rangers...agree with you on STALBERG though. I don't think there's any certainty he starts with the Rangers.

tdchi


Mon Aug 10 2015 11:44 am EST

Wild I saw the promise which is why I said he will probably get a look come jan. I think he's a year away looked good on the PP

York18


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:56 am EST

No reason to think that at age 33 Stoll is washed up. Besides being a physical center, his biggest attribute, in terms of Rangers' needs, is the fact that he is VERY GOOD at winning faceoffs. Unless he shows that is completely out of shape and not ready to play, I can't imagine him not making this team out of camp. IMO, it is now his job to,lose and Linberg or someone else is going to have to show that they make Stoll expendable. And also remember, the Rangers are in "win now" mode and this guy has 2 Stanley Cup wins and tons of PO experience. Facept expertise, Stanley Cup winner, plays physical,down the middle....all of those attributes are proven and fit perfectly with what the Rangers need and want. He's gonna have to get knocked off of the roster by a young player or show thatnthe drugs and lifestyle he's been leading have ruined his career. Hell, he could even play 4th line wing to,start if the Rangers feel he isn't quite in peek form. I really can't see Rangers brass not picturing him on the opening day roster

JFC31


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:31 am EST

Should have been Stalberg or Stoll.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:29 am EST

Malone (according to NHLnumbers.com) had a 700K deal with the Rangers.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:26 am EST

TD... The point is that both guys needed to make the team. IMO, Neither Stalberg or Malone is being given a spot, they still have to make the team as well.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:22 am EST

is mike Richards next ?

stevielegs


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:21 am EST

Rhet0ric - wasn't MALONE in camp on a tryout? I see STOLL as a player who will be in the lineup. I think the question will be who he replaces. One thing about him is that he also plays wing...though I'm not really sure why they'd move him from center...also important to note: Stoll is a righthander...an has a name that will give announcers fits when the Rangers play the Canes. "Staal to Stoll, who is checked by Staal, Turns over the puck to Staal. Oh and a nasty hit by Stoll on Staal..."

tdchi


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:21 am EST

Is saying Stoll has "size" just a polite way of saying he's fat? The dude's only 6'1".

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:15 am EST

LOVE the STOLL signing...just an AWESOME move in so many different ways. I've been wanting him on the Rangers for years. This move is all upside. Wish we had Stoll circa 2007-2008...but today, he's a great add for any team. He's great at face offs, has size, uses said size and on too of everything, can score. He's a perfect fit for the team and I tell you what: it's also nice to have a two-time cup winner with TONS of playoff experience under his belt. I do think this acquisition means a trade is coming up though. Don't see the Rangers signing him to this deal without moving a contract. And this doesn't bode well for LINDBERG if he stumbles in camp. Bottom line is that kids, vets and new players better have spent their summer working their tails off, because camp is going to be VERY competitive this fall.

tdchi


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:08 am EST

Clearly, a nothing to lose signing by the Rangers. Agreed that Lindbergh can't be too enthused by this signing!

RF4L


Mon Aug 10 2015 10:00 am EST

Viktor Stalberg is this season's Lee Stempniak and Jarrett Stoll is this season's Ryan Malone. Nothing is written in stone. Except for maybe that James Sheppard's time as a Rangers is over.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:48 am EST

JFC: I think (this is just MHO of course) that Stoll has been signed to let him prove himself a little, and as a safety net. At 800K he will cost nothing against the cap if sent down, and if kept as a spare will cost little. But I think he will end up in Hartford, and the first injury to a F he will be called up. If Lindberg fails or one of the other cheaper UFAs fails he will stick, but I think he is a long shot to be on the roster after camp.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:47 am EST

And there's no longer a need to force-feed Hayes as your super-size center if Stoll shows he still has the goods in training camp.

JFC31


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:46 am EST

BTW Stoll signed for 800K

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:46 am EST

Jarret Stoll has agreed to a one-year contract the New York Rangers. It's reportedly worth less than a million dollars. Stoll had his felony count of a drug possession charge reduced to two misdemeanors prior to becoming an unrestricted free agent. He is getting another chance with the Rangers. Stoll had six goals and 17 points in 73 games with Los Angeles last season. He's likely to occupy a depth role and has historically been strong on faceoffs, but he won't have much, if any, fantasy value.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:45 am EST

RF4L: On Matthews playing for a pro league in Europe. There are a couple things outside of pure development inside the league. First if he played in the CHL he couldn't play in the AHL for a couple years at least, sometimes I think that is a hinderance to young top players. Teams keep them at the NHL level and they are not quite ready, the AHL would be perfect but rules get in the way of that. Second. If he went the NCAA route, he couldn't let teams do much. Like to go to a development camp he would need to pay his own way, INCLUDING room and board since the NCAA would call it compensation and ban him from playing. SO by going across the pond, he can get drafted as a european player, and that means he can play in the AHL and teams can pay for developmental camps and the like, his draft team could even pay for skating coaches and stuff in Europe for him if they so chose to do. Gives him and his draft team more options, and that could be part of the decision making process for him and his people.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:43 am EST

The signing of Stoll is going to make,things very, very interesting heading into training camp. The guy is a big, physical center....where does he fit right now and who will he displace? Will the Rangers try him at wing? If I was Oscar Lindberg, I'd be very worried right now. If Stoll is still a viable player and not a drug-addled has-been, he would seem to be a perfect fit at 3rd line C.

JFC31


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:38 am EST

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/jarret-stoll-nhl-free-agent-signs-with-rangers-1.3185444

JFC31


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:34 am EST

York: On SKJEI I wonder if you feel like a couple people I know who are pack fans. If you watch close to his shifts and know what your looking at, that you get a little excited about what he could develop into. They also said he had some good shifts where you could really see what the hype was about. But they said like you have, he needs time, and needs to adjust to the speed of the pro game. One of the guys said that you can tell he isn't used to almost every player being as good as the top few players on each NCAA team. Being at the pro level does that, at the junior and NCAA level there are a lot of guys who you face that are not good enough for the top pro leagues in the world, let alone the AHL or the NHL, so the adjustments for that are steep as well. Especially coming in when the effort level has ramped up for the playoff run of each team. Will be good for him to get a camp and to get into pre-season and early season games to adjust and build to the heir levels of play.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:29 am EST

Via twitter. Stoll a Ranger..."one year less than 1 mil" according to Zippay

Wildcard


Mon Aug 10 2015 9:24 am EST

Erin Andrews will be the new Carol Alt @ MSG?

TradeStar28


Mon Aug 10 2015 8:07 am EST

Non hockey: Tix go on sale this a.m. for Amex card holders for The Dead & co., for One More Saturday Night @ MSG October 31st Halloween Night.. The City should be a trip..... ..

mf


Mon Aug 10 2015 6:26 am EST

Skeij I'm not sure where the hype surrounding this kid came from. Anyone who saw him play in Hartford would know he was rotated as a 7th and even scratched. A player who is ready now for the NHL isn't used as a 7th or a healthy scratch and certainly not skipped on his rotation and sat for almost an entire period. With that said he started to adjust towards tge end looked good on his short Pp stint and I actually like his skating he's very smooth I don't understand the uproar on the mcd comparison because his skating is really good but it's his reads and hockey iq that make him what he is IMO. I have to agree with TD buch is tops on the farm list. I think skeij will maybe get a look unless he did something over the summer where he fixed his reads and timing. Then he wins a job out of camp I don't see it but anything is possible. Tambellini this kid has boom or bust all over him again like TD he's out of the whl so I have held back on talking him up till I watch him in the ahl. The hype bandwagon was all over duclair and I never understood it. Got traded got kept in jrs got benched in jrs didn't even dominate down there. TD matteau was a player I liked tge look of but he screamed possible bust and any time your father was an NHL player you get more hype IMO. He's a headcase and it seemed like NJ took him to spite the rangers good on them

York18


Sun Aug 9 2015 2:48 pm EST

My take on SKJEI is that he's coming through as advertised. At the draft, they said he was a swift-skating defensive-minded defenseman who is three or four years out...well, we're in year four...I hate to sound like I don't like the kid or that he's not a good prospect...I think for where he was picked and in relation to those around him, I think we did well...MATTEAU is looking more and more like he'll be a fourth liner at best and SAMUELSSON too is looking a but like he's not going to be much of an NHLer...and I recall wanting either or during that draft...Skjei now, I think, has a much better upside than either of those players...could be a second pairing D one of these days...but with all that said, the hype is what I just don't get...the comparisons to Ryan McDONAGH...this business that he's our best prospect...and that he could be contending for an NHL spot...I know now the McD comparison was Beuk's folly...and I really don't know WTF he was thinking when he said that...Brady is a great skater...but McDonagh great? Don't know if I'd go there...the rest is just bollocks. But FWIW, the same people who are calling Skjei our best prospect seem to think DUCLAIR was our best prospect before he was traded...which is another crock of dogshit...Rangers farm club isn't that deep...but they've got some great players...BUCHNEVICH, I'd say is the best we have...just a sure-fire NHLer...most likely a future star...the guy is money..after him, I'd take along hard look at TAMBELLINI...of course, I've been burned by more than one WHL superstar...and I'm always hesitant to trump them now because I think the league is kind of inferior...but I think he could make a pretty big splash in Hartford this season...Anyway...I think Skjei will probably get a cup of coffee this year at some point and next fall is when he'll end up a full-time NHLer...his development will also likely have an impact on whether the Rangers try to finagle YANDLE under the cap...STAAL and McD ain't going anywhere...and I'm on record in my thinking they'll move Yandle at the trade deadline...if Skjei looks like a zero at that point, maybe they try to clear up some space to keep Yandle...interestingly enough, if you throw BOYLE's salary line over to what we're paying Yandle now($2.5 million)...you could probably get him inked...as it is now, the Rangers go into the season with what I'd call the best D in the NHL...Skjei's got a LOOOOONG way to go before he's capable of joining it.

tdchi


Sun Aug 9 2015 1:13 pm EST

All good mf, all good. I think it`s safe to assume Skeji will be starting this fall in Hartford. Perhaps a more appropriate question is where he`ll fall in terms of positioning for the Pack backline. Will he be on the top pairing, meaning in addition to a regular shift, he`ll get both PP and PK first squad duties. IMO, that`ll be a good sign of how far away from being on the Ranger backline he is.

RF4L


Sun Aug 9 2015 12:02 pm EST

rf: sorry about the obnoxious post a couple days ago, it wasn't so bad ;-) ... On this Skjei hype and publicity, the only player I ever envisioned him competing for a spot with, was Connor Allen..... On further review, Connor Allen is with the Pred's.......

mf


Sun Aug 9 2015 11:14 am EST

Vic - 11. Klein. 12. Lindberg

tdchi


Sun Aug 9 2015 8:58 am EST

mf: Thanks for the link on Skeji. Nothing earth shattering there although I don't get the author's comment about Skeji not being a tall player? Huh? He's 6'3"....how much taller must one be to be a tall player??

RF4L


Sun Aug 9 2015 7:43 am EST

Great 94 Cup memories guys... always fun to hear the different stories. Will we see another one in our lifetime? Who knows? I've mellowed quite a bit... 3 final 4 appearances, presidents trophy & a trip to the cup in the last 4 years... I can "almost" live with that. Sure I'm obsessed with seeing it again, bur Man' this most recent Ranger era has been defined by homegrown talent & winning, A LOT OF WINNING!!!

hipcheck


Sat Aug 8 2015 8:24 pm EST

https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-prospects/new-york-rangers-prospect-watch-brady-skjei/

mf


Sat Aug 8 2015 11:15 am EST

hipcheck.....thats funny...i usually do not put on anything hockey related until October if the Rangers crushed in April/May/June.....but i took my iPad Mini to the bathroom and checked out the new Time Warner Cable App and it had the NHL Network.....I clicked it and see the Rangers/Nucks 1994.....it was the 2nd period.....Noonan just scored to make it 3-1. It was so strange to watch how hockey used to be back in the day......So many stick fouls and obstructions and blatant penalties. Now if you make the slightest tug at the opponents hands, you are called for hooking.........But anyway......watching the 1994 final game 7 for the first time in many many years brought back the memories......I was @ MSG that night, Section 330 , Row E, Seat 2..........and the hearing the "Lets go Rangers" chant was a lot different then too......It was more of a chant to end the pain, suffering and torment of 3 generations of Rangers fans.......it was chanted with a much larger meaning to help remove the chains from the club......Dont get me wrong, the Rangers in the last 4 years have given us a lot to cheer about but MSG is not the same.......The desperation was removed in 1994. But the one other thing i noticed was that Richter made those saves that had to be made......the timely save.......the big save......the game winning save........Yes Henrik has done this 100's of times as well.......but Henrik needed to make the easy or game saving save at certain points over the last few playoffs.......and he didn't. Not blaming him ever....he is incredible......but you need to be GODLY with how the Rangers play their games......very tight one goal games. LGR!

TradeStar28


Sat Aug 8 2015 10:21 am EST

hip: I had to travel over the finals and ending up seeing Game 7 in Don Cherry's bar in Toronto. I was at a standing table with a fellow I worked with when they wheeled three disabled young men in wheel chairs up to my table. They were Canucks fans and were suffering even more than I was. Talk about gut-wrenching for all of us! I had to temper my thrill of victory with their pain of loss. FInally got to celebrate when I got home - my family had made a copy of the Stanley Cup and had it at the front door when I arrived....pretty cool.,

Ranger47


Sat Aug 8 2015 9:19 am EST

Jason, I hear you. I love watching both series...the ECF and the SCF (of course I like it better because of the outcome) it was good hockey. I did prefer the Devils series...that was non stop action, and when the Devs tied it up to bring it to overtime, I felt for sure it was fate that the Devils would win. Matteau, Matteau, Matteau...Ill never forget the sound of it, or the thrill I felt when they won. Those two series were some of the best hockey Ive ever seen.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 8 2015 9:12 am EST

Personally I cannot quite figure out why Matthews and his camp feel playing pro in the Swiss league is a better option in terms of development for him. In saying that I know very little about the competitive level of the league(s) there but I assume he'll be playing with professions and therefore, primarily grown men. If he under performs I assume it means reduced icetime and responsibilities, which will be counter productive obviously to his development, not to mention drafting ranking (potentially). Or is this about money? How much will he be paid? If it works out for him and he's paid well, no doubt he'll ultimately be forging a path others will follow. Also, Wild makes a valid point - he can be sent to the AHL by his drafting team as early as the fall of 16. Whether or not that's a good thing remains to be seen of course. I've said on here often that IMO when it comes to high end prospects who are teenagers, I think it's important that they dominate for at least 1 season their own age group/competitive level before moving up to the next. It will be interesting to see how he fares this year...

RF4L


Sat Aug 8 2015 9:02 am EST

Hey WIOSA, -- I got caught up in The Cup Finals Game 7. Obviously we've all seen it a million times, but it's been many years since I watched the Canadian broadcast. Watching it close, it's amazing how exhilarating & breathtaking the actual hockey was. Forget being a NYR Fan, that was just gut-wrenching, dramatic hockey played at the highest level in the world!!

hipcheck


Sat Aug 8 2015 12:11 am EST

Ola - Just a guess but maybe his camp thinks he's got nothing left to improve in juniors?...seems like a stretch to me, especially seeing as though I haven't ever seen the kid playing...but the Swiss leagues have been pretty damn good hockey lately...maybe they think it's the right level of competition for him?...I agree totally though...read that today and I know they've been talking about it for a while...but it's very unconventional...weird even for a kid who is gonna probably be the first-overall in the North American draft. Something doesn't smell right about that...

tdchi


Fri Aug 7 2015 10:44 pm EST

Vic, #11 Klein, #12 Lindberg

NYStranger


Fri Aug 7 2015 8:23 pm EST

Hip the Devils where they tie it with like 7 seconds on the clock? Or the Canucks where they call icing with like 10 seconds left on the clock?

WIOSA


Fri Aug 7 2015 6:57 pm EST

Watching 3rd period, game 7, 1994', on nhl netwirk right now. My God!!

hipcheck


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:30 pm EST

Ola: It does solve one problem. It was on this wall, that Duclair may have been best served playing in the AHL last season, and there were other teams that had young guys that were clearly took good for Junior, and struggling in the NHL, the AHL is perfect, but the rules don't allow it, that could set a kid back a bit. Matthews is going to play in Europe, and that make him eligible for the AHL right away, so if he does really well in his first camp, but not great, they can send him to the AHL to start working on his game right away and have full control over him. It will be a nice option for the team that drafts him.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:15 pm EST

Rhet: Yes agreed. Rewind a few years back, however, and guaranteed the glowing reports about Skeji now were being heaped all over McI. Five years after he's drafted and he's still an AHLer vs a first round pick recently signed and for sure, the team is more apt to hype the latter.

RF4L


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:14 pm EST

Vic is there a time limit?....neither....Big Mac......

stevielegs


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:08 pm EST

Wild- Wow interesting info on Austin Matthews (so). Truth to be told, I have not considered that option for top rated prospects. It's just that the MacKinnons and Kane's and co just seem to do real well coming out of juniors, so why change something that works? I have however several times wondered if the best option for many real good 19 y/os that don't make the NHL would be to go the Europe instead of dominating "another year" in juniors.

Ola


Fri Aug 7 2015 11:58 am EST

E: I concur...

RF4L


Fri Aug 7 2015 11:34 am EST

E... I have to agree with you. I look closely at what Cerny says and doesn't say to gleam an idea of how the organization feels about a player. Whenever prospects are mentioned, he talks glowingly about Skjei. It's not coincidence that other personnel in the NYR organization also talk glowingly about him. The fact the he or anyone else rarely talks about MCI also speaks volumes to me. It gives me the distinct impression that Wrath has an uphill battle in camp if he wants to make the team.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 7 2015 10:56 am EST

Geezus E, who you calling phasystocated? I take umbrage to that remark....

mf


Fri Aug 7 2015 10:47 am EST

RF: Most likely the reason the questions take a long time is because they try to mix it up with fan boy/girl stuff with more "technical questions." In the times that I've participated I've bombarded them with various questions most of which are more interesting to a more "sophisticated" group like here that don't live with a Lundqvist poster on the ceiling over their bed. And despite most of my questions containing valid inquiries, they by and large only answer the more innocuous ones. So, if 100-200 people are firing questions at them, they're definitely cherry picking the questions that they want to answer. When he was first hired, I corresponded with Cerny several times. Back then he was willing to take on some of the more inquisitive stuff. In fact, he probably provided too much insight and honesty. As the NYR web presence has caught up a little bit to what sites like this have been doing for a long time I think Cerny learned how quickly anything he states can spread like wildfire. I certainly made no excuse relaying anything he ever said to me of interest. And I'm sure someone here whether an active poster or just a lurker took that information somewhere else. As we all know how this works. So its clear that either he was told, he learned on his own or whatever that information that he puts out needs to paint the NYR in a certain light. Its branding no doubt. How far up and down the chain it goes? Hockey is still a business and a guy/girl who does this public outreach seems to be SOP with every team in sports now. Case in point I was listening to Pat Hanlon do the same thing with the NYG. Branding matters. I'm pretty sure that when Cerny is being given access to players in the locker room post game, the fact that he can ask a player 30-stupid questions when a Brooks or whoever is looking for red meat can get one in drives them crazy. But when the players are instructed to take most questions from Cerny all the beat writers can do is write their stories off of Cerny's communication. In essence, he is branding the team. And I'm sure if you were to disembowel Cerny for being such a nuisance you'd be outside the locker room and your limited access to the team would be made even more limited. Its just how its played or at least that is how it seems to be played.

E


Fri Aug 7 2015 10:06 am EST

top rated 2016 draft prospect Auston Matthews will play for ZSC Lions this season, has any draft prospect from north American ever gone across the pond like that in their draft year? I think its a smart move for the kid, play against men for one, and two, he is eligible to play in the AHL right off the bat and doesn't have to deal with NCAA rules when t comes to going to development camps and all that stuff. If it works out for him I wonder how many more kids will do this type of thing.

Wildcard


Fri Aug 7 2015 9:44 am EST

Per Katie Strang ...... Hamburg Police Chief Gregory Wickett just confirmed his department is investigating an alleged incident that occurred at Patrick Kane's home.... Police Chief said the Hamburg Police Department is awaiting forensic results re: Kane investigation. No time frame.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 7 2015 9:42 am EST

The Rangers will once again take part in the Traverse City Prospect tournament that starts on September 11th (Red Wings)...... The Rangers will play the Blue Jackets, Wild and Blues prospects in the tournament...... September 11: Minnesota vs Rangers..... September 12: Blues vs Rangers..... September 14: Rangers vs Blues..... September 15: Championship...... The championship trophy is named after the late Matthew Wuest, the creator of CapGeek.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 7 2015 7:41 am EST

TD: I can't really explain the drag between questions and their answers (technical limitations maybe) but with Cerny it could be as simple as him being a trained seal. He knows precisely what he must avoid in terms of both asking and publishing to such a fine degree he doesn't need to be overseen.

RF4L


Fri Aug 7 2015 7:37 am EST

I normally wouldn't use this forum for this kind of thing, but... I am a teacher and assistant principal at a public high school in Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY and have been working these last few months to develop and institute a system of positive reinforcement for our students for this coming September. I have solicited many, MANY companies for product and financial donations to help fund the project, but have been rejected by all. I'm not asking you guys to donate (unless you'd like to), but if you could help to share the link to my Celly fundraising page for the project, I'd really appreciate it. https://cel.ly/contribute/to/RachelCarsonHS.

evets1980


Fri Aug 7 2015 7:20 am EST

COLORADOMARK: You are in. You can still submit or change picks up until 9/17 at Noon Eastern Time. Also, one other thing that I should point out. We do have a trade pick in the mix. I want to make a ruling on something before it becomes an issue just in case. If one or both of KLEIN or YANDLE are traded before 9/17 that would invalidate that bet. The bet has to be valid on the go-live date. So if we get to 9/17 and both are still Rangers the bet is on and valid. If not, we will need to switch it with something else.

Vic


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:55 am EST

E - You'd be very surprised. Take it from someone who works in the industry of controlling image: There's never enough micromanaging when it comes to crafting the message you want people to believe. Certainly, Cerney has a degree of autonomy. But it's only so much. The Rangers, just like any sports team --just like any large organization concerned about its public image --aren't going to leave much up to chance...certainly not up to one guy...unless that guy is named Sather or Dolan. I'm sure they give him talking points and tell him what he can and cannot ask/answer.

tdchi


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:08 am EST

Crap, attempt three 1. !KREIDER 2.STEPAN 3.HAYES 4.HANK 5.ETEM 6. ETEM 7.STEPAN 8.MILLER 9.HANK 10.YANDLE 11. KLEIN 12. LINDBERG

ColoradoMark


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:05 am EST

KREIDER STEPAN HAYES 1.HANK 2.ETEM 3.ETEM 4.STEPAN 5.MILLER 6. HANK 7.YANDLE 8.KLEIN 9. LINDBERG

ColoradoMark


Fri Aug 7 2015 12:03 am EST

If it's still open, here are my picks: KREIDER STEPAN HAYES HANK ETEM ETEM STEPAN MILLER HANK YANDLE KLEIN LINDBERG

ColoradoMark


Thu Aug 6 2015 11:20 pm EST

DOUBLEN, you are in. Other picks have been updated. I'm still waiting on picks for #11 and #12 from 7 people. For the rest of you....get those picks in. (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/20152016-picks/)

Vic


Thu Aug 6 2015 8:01 pm EST

TDCHI: there is no brain trust staring down at Cerny and vetting his answers. He controls communication and outreach. He is at every locker room presser tossing up softball questions. Some of his lead dialogue to a question borders on ridiculous. "So JT, given that you are now playing key moments and higher minutes, and given that AV had green eggs and ham for breakfast, what do you think of how great Lundqvist played tonight? And didn't you think he played at the top of his game?" Cerny has a lot of autonomy. He is very close to the team. He travels with them, he is at every public event with them. That's his job. If anyone is vetting answers, he is.

E


Thu Aug 6 2015 7:09 pm EST

Hi all..hope you are all having a good summer. I have been lurking, just busy at work and being on U2 overload the last few weeks. VIC: Here are my picks. 1-CK. 2-CAM; 3-MZA; 4-HANK; 5-ETEM; 6-ETEM; 7-STEP; 8-JT; 9-NASH; 10-YANDLE; 11-NEITHER;12-OL.

DOUBLEN


Thu Aug 6 2015 6:45 pm EST

Wildcard - don't get me wrong, re: Cerney. In fact, he's probably the ONLY one who talks to the press/writes and knows the whole deal with the Rangers. He knows all the inside scoop I'm sure. But he's also a steel trap when it comes to disseminating info. For instance, the "live chat" yesterday? Yeah...took him like 10 minutes to answer each question...why? Because I'm sure someone from the Rangers brass was looking over his shoulder vetting each answer...but that said, I think he provides great insight as long as you realize he's going to have an almost universally positive approach toward the Rangers...and in truth, I agree with just about everything he said in his chat, save for his impression on SKJEI, who I think is a year away and no where near the level of development of McILRATH...and TBH, I don't think STALBERG has a snowball's chance in hell of making the top six...ETEM, maybe an outside chance...And HELLBERG? Career AHLer...IMO...but everything else? I pretty much think he was spot on in his assessment.

tdchi


Thu Aug 6 2015 4:34 pm EST

HOSPO: I'm not so fatalistic when it comes to the complexion of the game. But its such a fine line. Coaches want players to play on that edge but have the discipline to know when to turn it off. I went to a Ducks game last season. What impressed me the most about them was the hammering that they put on with the throttles full blast. They were a battering hockey team. They are really a throwback team. But they are more new school. Instead of thuggery they just get under your skin and then gang up on you if you retaliate. They really are team tough. It makes their "softer" players more invisible and covered for. But they were nursing a 3-1 in the 3rd and it was like Bordeau pulled the throttles to idle. Skated away from everything after the whistle. Took the glove to the face without retaliating looking for the penalty. Like a light switch. That is the NHL now. You gotta choose your spots. I watched Corey Perry who I swear is a Chris Krieder clone although not as fast. And Perry gets under your skin all game until that point. Then he just became a disciplined and smart player. This is more of how I wish to see the New York Rangers play. I think this is the kind of discipline AV wants to see. I don't think he is against the rough stuff. I think he sees the value in it. But I also think he puts a larger emphasis on discipline and timing. And maybe thats just how it is in the NHL. There are many ways to skin the cat I suppose. I actually was giddy two springs ago when the New York Rangers played Filthy and the Flyers were left with their penis' in their hands not knowing what the hell to do when the New York Rangers absolutely refused to engage them on anything. The whistle would blow and the Rangers just ignored them. That in and of itself drove Philly insane. They literally had no Plan-B. They were meant to intimidate. Thats how they won games. And they couldn't even get a hair to stand up on New York Rangers neck. Thats discipline. But I also see the dynamics and flexibility to play the game the other way around. The Caps, BJ's, and NYI definitely wanna play a very hard nosed and physical brand of hockey. They're gonna take away a lot of space and they're gonna play the body. The New York Rangers I thought were simply battered pillar to post in that Caps series and were very fortunate to advance. That was a McIlrath series. Thats where you need him. The Caps weren't interested in getting into fights, they were interested in laying down a barrage of physical play and wear you down. Its not intimidation, its execution.

E


Thu Aug 6 2015 4:21 pm EST

VIC: #11: Neither #12: The Lindbergh Baby ...... thanks again

mf


Thu Aug 6 2015 4:16 pm EST

I think that OV has/d an elbowing problem since maybe... always. He does get away with it. Just as well as he gets away with charging, boarding, and a myriad of other BS. But I'll give this about OV, he'll take it. You wanna be hard on the body with him, he's a game player. He lives for that crap. What I do think is interesting with the New York Rangers defense is that when I take the grass is greener in somebody else's yard I realize that the defense takes the body adequately. Players like Staal will use a skill play to try to strip the puck but if you try to go outside on him (I very rarely have seen someone get inside of him) he'll take you to the boards using his size and finish his check. Girardi almost always tries to go to the body hard although I don't think he hurts nearly as much. McD finishes his checks and Klein ALWAYS finishes his checks. This is not the pussy defense that sometimes we think it is. I think they are collectively a difficult unit to play against. I think the key is diversity. A player that can do that extra stuff. Sort of our version of a Matt Greene. Greene sets a tone for that Los Angeles Kings defense. They are a pretty gritty group including Doughty. They are not a unit skating around with a ribbon. But it remains to be seen if McIlrath can grow into the Matt Greene type of player. Thats what I'd be looking for from him. Use Kevin Bieksa if you need another example. Clayton Stoner. Go on and on. There are plenty of examples. Just need a 6/7 slot from him right now and let him mature.

E


Thu Aug 6 2015 4:12 pm EST

12. Lindberg

Ola


Thu Aug 6 2015 4:03 pm EST

Pens have signed Matt Cullen to a one-year deal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 6 2015 3:17 pm EST

E - Yeah, I know..Professional Hockey, in my eyes, is becoming more and more a speed/skill game (and less and less interesting to me)....There will be hitting but it will be more a by-product of the confined space and occasional temper rather than strategy or type of game/team....Look at the East in the NHL. your most phyiscal teams left are the Isles and the Caps...Nobody is scary physically....Now, the west has a load of banging physical teams but look who won it last year...my bet is it will decrease there also....As for AV, I just don't think he shows enough patience/confidence with players that might not be the most adroit skatingwise but bring something else, especially something like protecting the franchise goalie or leading scorers..

Hospo


Thu Aug 6 2015 2:46 pm EST

E/Hospo, If I can put my .02 in. I would like a physical defense, players that finish their checks and make you think twice before skating the perimeter on their end, I would love a system live Av's, provided that every other team did the same. The problem is, I hate seeing our team get pounde -, tons of cheap shots (is is me or does A Ovechkin have an elbow problem?) and we do nothing. I cant stand that. Im not looking for a fight a minute or a bloodbath, but I cant stand to see Hank run night after night, and Nash elbowed, Miller slammed into the crossbar, and we just shrug and skate away. Yes the best shot to the chin is beating them on the scoreboard...but enough is enough.

WIOSA


Thu Aug 6 2015 2:23 pm EST

The Blackhawks winger spoke about the incident for the first time and said the toughest part of the ordeal was his family seeing him in handcuffs. "They said it's something they never want to see again," Kane said quietly after the opening practice for the U.S. Olympic orientation camp at Seven Bridges Ice Arena in Woodridge. "My family didn't raise me that way, so it's tough to let them down too." .... Those were some of Kane's statements back in 2009 when he was arrested for allegedly assaulting a 62 year old cab driver.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 6 2015 2:16 pm EST

HOSPO: you and I have long been in agreement about the physical nature of the AV New York Rangers. I want meanness and petulance but I also want speed, and puck pursuit. And clearly they have one but not the other. Surely McIlrath turns up the volume on assholery. It isn't the fights or whatever that I care about. That sideshow crap means nothing to me. I want a team that gets in there and brings rough and tumble aggression. AV had plenty of room in his lineup for Kevin Bieksa thru the years so I don't think he is against that type of player whatsoever. It's just that the guy has to be able to play the system. And that's the tough part of it.

E


Thu Aug 6 2015 1:31 pm EST

Hawk management personnel must be holding their collective breaths right about now. If both the report and the accusation within the report are accurate, Kane's in serious trouble both legally and professionally and the Hawks' cup retention aspirations will take a huge blow.

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 1:11 pm EST

ED being? Ed Hospodar??

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 1:07 pm EST

Vic, -- #12. MCILRATH. ---- Thanks!

hipcheck


Thu Aug 6 2015 12:57 pm EST

Must be that ED on your mind...

Hospo


Thu Aug 6 2015 11:44 am EST

Oopps...both of my posts were to E, not TD...

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 11:43 am EST

E: The great Michael Kostagoal was dressed over McI last year and he's not even waiver bait.

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 11:42 am EST

TD: Or it'll say a lot about AV and his vision of icing a pansified team even if there's an answer to having your team run right under his nose.

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 11:27 am EST

E - OTOH, MAY not say that much about Big Mac but rather the type of team the Rangers are focused on having which seems to be a skating, skill, turn the other cheek type of team..But, we shall see in camp..

Hospo


Thu Aug 6 2015 11:13 am EST

If wrath proves incapable of taking the roster spot from Diaz after 3-or so months that's all you need to know about the guy. He in essence wouldn't be able to take a spot from waiver bait. And with a guy who the New York Rangers are bullish on is Skjei who has very solid skills?

E


Thu Aug 6 2015 10:53 am EST

Vic Thanks! Great idea BTW. Never seen this much action in August on the wall, fun match ups too!

Ola


Thu Aug 6 2015 10:34 am EST

Steve, your picks are in. Everyone else's have been updated. Keep the picks and updates coming. WILDCARD: My pleasure. It was my goal to give us something to talk about for a while and then something to watch during the season. We used to make predictions and then check the archives way back in the day. Since we can't do that anymore I thought we needed a way to get some of that back but in a more fun way without the nasty disease of GotToBeRightis seeping in.

Vic


Thu Aug 6 2015 10:27 am EST

Per Tim Graham of the Buffalo News... ‏ The Patrick Kane investigation is a rape investigation.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 6 2015 10:26 am EST

VIC -- 11. Neither 12. Ooooooscar!

JFC31


Thu Aug 6 2015 10:16 am EST

mf you a-hole, it's Patrick Kane... ......

mf


Thu Aug 6 2015 10:13 am EST

That would be Evander Kane....... AND, PIO is PIA's husband!

mf


Thu Aug 6 2015 9:54 am EST

News out of Buffalo: Patrick Kane is being investigated by the police . . . nobody knows details yet as to what/why, but there’s a lot of chatter about him.

Fivehole


Thu Aug 6 2015 9:46 am EST

VIC #12 - Lindberger (due to injuries)

Hospo


Thu Aug 6 2015 9:33 am EST

thanks Vic. Going Oscar the Grouch for # 12.....

Fotiu22


Thu Aug 6 2015 9:31 am EST

td: Clearly he is there to further the Rangers message. HOWEVER, he isn't a dope, and there is a lot in what he doesn't say as well as what he says. He says he expects Lindberg to be at center when the season starts, I would be shocked, completely shocked if when camp starts that Hayes isn't on wing and Lindberg at center. He doesn't pull this stuff out of his butt, he takes with people, they tell him things, and he probably gets an OK to say some things during these chats. Love him and the Rangers org or hate them, they are not stupid, and they put a lot of thought into everything they do. So thats what I look for in those chats he does, the general idea of what he is saying. I take this, McKilrath needs to outplay Diez, Lindberg will be a C with Hayes on the top 6 wing, and if Hayes isn't ready for that, I think he ends up a 3rd line W. The vets signed (Stalberg) is looked at as a top 6 or a guy to be cut loose, I say that because they mention he will be fighting for one of those spots, but than also the other lower end signings are going to be fighting for a roster spot. I could be totally wrong, but thats how I see it. And if you look back at the things he says in a way that sounds like his opinion, it looks an awful lot like he can see the future, his opinions have a way of turning into facts...again I think its all controlled organizationally, and he says things that the team wants out, and other things he knows he doesn't mention. But still, what he says needs to be directed and taken not a full face value.

Wildcard


Thu Aug 6 2015 9:22 am EST

VIc: Good point on the specific teams thing....chance makes the way I put it possible to win even if you thought every team that missed actually would have made it and other teams would have missed. Also, awesome job with this whole thing. Makes for some entertainment during the doldrums of summer.

Wildcard


Thu Aug 6 2015 9:03 am EST

My picks: 1. CK 2.DS 3.KH 4.HL 5.EE 6.EE 7.DS 8.JTM 9.HL 10.KY 11.Neither 12.OL

Steve443c10


Thu Aug 6 2015 8:52 am EST

Vic: For 11 and 12 my bets are, respectively, Yandle and the cheesehead.

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 8:51 am EST

TD: I knew it was something along that lines but given your flair for analogies and sometimes harsh sarcasm I was hoping it was more dramatic than that. LOL. BTW, I concur with your take on his work - it's sugary sweet more often than not and really he's not much more than an MSG shrill. He's got the mousy look to go along with his role, too.

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 8:44 am EST

RF4L - heh...forget sometimes...stands for "public information officer" or same as press officer, spokesman, flack, et cetera. Any one hired and paid for by an agency/organization to speak for them. And while I don't think MSG describes Cerney that way, indeed that is what he is. You'll never hear him speak a bad word about the Rangers and in essence, he's there to spread a message that the Rangers want. That's why you take everything he says with a grain of salt...but at the same time, you get a very good sense of what's going on inside the organization by reading between the lines.

tdchi


Thu Aug 6 2015 8:30 am EST

Vic: As Felix Unger once sang - Oscar Oscar Oscar!

ges999


Thu Aug 6 2015 8:22 am EST

Ok. I decided to stick with the HAGS/KREIDER bet after WIOSA changed to HAGS. If it was just me I would have changed it. I also added a 12th bet for the LINDBERG/McILRATH bet of who plays the most NHL games this season. I was having such a hard time deciding and kept changing my opinion on it. I figured if I was doing that it was compelling enough for a lot of people to be doing the same thing. I still haven't decided who I am picking on that one. To make it all fit on the site I had to shrink the answers to just using initials. Please check your answers to make sure that I didn't screw up anything. OLA, your picks are in. Anyone wanting to change picks please let me know. It is no problem at all. We have until 9/17 at noon eastern time to change anything. After that we are locked in. If you haven't already stated your picks for bets #11 and #12 please let me know what your picks are. Remember, this is open to everyone. If you haven't made any picks yet get em' in! (http://rfccjc.com)

Vic


Thu Aug 6 2015 7:32 am EST

Pat Kane in some kind of trouble again. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2541041-patrick-kane-reportedly-under-police-investigation-latest-details-and-comments

puckyou


Thu Aug 6 2015 7:20 am EST

TD: OK, I'll bite - PIO???

RF4L


Thu Aug 6 2015 7:13 am EST

Rangers PIO Jim Cerny had a live chat yesterday that gleaned a few nuggets...nothing really earth shattering...Said the team you see now is the team they're going into the season with. Maybe some moves depending on camp...Said McILRATH and LINDBERG are the two prospects who will likely make the team..,added because of waivers...and then said SKJEI has an outside chance, calling him "the best of those three prospects"...GIBBONS and ADAM could battle for the last roster spot...Was interested to see how TAMBELLINI does in Hartford and if he can score there...also seemed uncertain RAANTA will be Hank's backup...and that HELLBERG could be in the mix...said ETEM "could and should" flourish in AV's system...that he's got something to prove...and the "spotlight" of New York could actually improve his game...the Rangers' down the middle may not be decided for a few months...they see Lindberg as the third line center, which would allow HAYES to move to the top-six wing position...but remains to be seen if he can cut it there...also that Hayes, Etem, MILLER, STALBERG and FAST could all be vying for top-six positions...praised Calle ANDERSSON as one of the best prospects in prospect camp and confirmed he's coming over to start in Hartford...Listed KREIDER, MILLER and STEPAN as players poised for breakout years...Mentioned McIlrath's improvement as relayed by Beuk...that Beuk he greatly improved and was "fantastic" during the playoffs...but acknowledge DIAZ is also a righty, so the pressure is on...Listed Kreider, Etem and Lindberg as the players "with the most to prove...." Praised HALVERSON as a "very important prospect" and that his every move is being tracked by the organization...said something about ST. LOUIS' retirement, but who f'in cares...Expects Lindberg to be in the opening day roster, likely at center...and on GROPP, he said Gordie Clark thought him to be "as good as low first rounder"...Nothing too earth-shattering, but an interesting chat during the dog days. Nine weeks till opening day!

tdchi


Thu Aug 6 2015 2:59 am EST

1. Kreider, 2. Talbot, 3. Zucc, 4. Brass, 5. Etem, 6. Etem, 7. Step, 8. Miller, 9. Hank, 10. Klein, 11. Neither

Ola


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:47 pm EST

VIC- #11..Neither..Additional Questions....Q: Who gets sent down to the minors or released first this year, Stalberg or Etem or neither?? or Q: Stalberg 2015-16 hits vs Nash 2015-16 goals..? But seriuosly, .....a two pointer.....Q: Name the two opening centers after Brassard and Stepan

Hospo


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:18 pm EST

Vic, I like the Hags v Kreider bet. If you keep it, I would like to change my bet to Hags. Gulp the first person to make a change....sorrry

WIOSA


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:07 pm EST

Vic, #11, KLEIN. Thanks again!

hipcheck


Wed Aug 5 2015 3:02 pm EST

FOTIU22: Your picks are in. The others are updated for bet #11. Any other thoughts for a replacement bet for the HAGS/KREIDER bet please chime in today so we can make a decision.

Vic


Wed Aug 5 2015 2:48 pm EST

WILDCARD: We can do something like that but I would prefer it to be something more concrete that makes you take a stand on a team or player. For instance, it could be something like Calgary vs Florida on who makes the playoffs. That gives you 4 choices from Both, one or the other, or neither. You have give your opinion on specific teams. If you do just straight turnover someone could be right but purely by luck as the teams they had missing didn't, but they were right anyway. Right now I'm leaning toward the replacing the HAGS/KREIDER but with the LINDBERG/McILRATH bet.

Vic


Wed Aug 5 2015 1:57 pm EST

Vic- 1- Kreider, 2- Talbot, 3-MZA 4- Hank, 5- Etem, 6- Etem, 7- Hayes, 8- Miller, 9-Hank, 10- Klein, 11- Neither. Maybe go with a prediction of regular season points or wins for a tiebreak.......thanks!

Fotiu22


Wed Aug 5 2015 1:51 pm EST

Vic if you do a number 12....Im going to buy into Wilds', Jasons, and Yorks enthusiasm and say Dylan

WIOSA


Wed Aug 5 2015 11:02 am EST

Wild: Yeah, true, but that makes it more entertaining! Vic: Yandle and Lindberg are my picks.

RF4L


Wed Aug 5 2015 9:46 am EST

Vic: How bout this one. How much turn over for the next playoffs. Will there be 3 or less new teams, or, 4 or more new teams.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 5 2015 9:44 am EST

But on that one, if I had to make a choice, I would say Lindberg, but not by much, just a 2-3 games most likely.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 5 2015 9:19 am EST

Vic, #11 = neither

WIOSA


Wed Aug 5 2015 9:19 am EST

Neither, Lindberg

Ranger47


Wed Aug 5 2015 8:29 am EST

RF4L: That ones such a crap shoot. I mean, neither will get many if everyone stays healthy....if everyone stays healthy I would be Lindberg gets more, if the D gets banged up McIlrath may get more....so many variables in that....and I hate not being able to analyze something to figure out the best bet to make and that is one of those that just can't be analyzed well.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 5 2015 8:27 am EST

Vic, what, you don't like handling it all yourself? Come on, you must have hundreds of extra hours each week to fill with mindless things like inputting out picks. LOL

Wildcard


Wed Aug 5 2015 8:26 am EST

VIC: I think your Hags choice is based on thinking ANA will use him more offensively....they may early on try that, but I think they will end up using him more defensively, like he has always been used, and he will get limited offensive zone starts and the like, that will hold his numbers down, along with his inability to bury the puck when he gets chances.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 5 2015 8:24 am EST

RF4L: That is a great one too. I'm good with that if nobody has any objections. Lets see if we get any other suggestions today and just go with what everyone feels is the best. I don't want to keep changing it around on everyone. Next year I already know how this could be done better. I'll give everyone an account on that site and we can pool a bunch of questions and settle on the best 15 to 20 in July. Once we have the questions people can fill them in by checking a box in a survey. It will be faster and easier for everyone, including me.

Vic


Wed Aug 5 2015 8:24 am EST

VIC: Neither. I do think Klein will be traded before Yandle, but in the offseason, likely at the draft or leading up to it once they know what they have with the young guys and what Yandle will cost. But not before the playoffs are over....as we saw last playoffs, D depth is vital.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:39 am EST

Vic: What about my other suggestion - who plays more NHL games this year, Lindbergh vs McI?

RF4L


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:31 am EST

BTW, I wanted to make these picks compelling enough that there would be a good split in the choices that people would make. Clearly with Bet #1 I am the only one with enough brains and guts (or just stupidity) to pick HAGS over KREIDER in goals scored this year. If that is the case we might as well change that bet to something more interesting and compelling. I'm open to ideas. It doesn't even have to be Ranger related. It could be something like who scores more points, McDAVID or EICHEL. Or it could be which team finishes with more points, EDMONTON or BUFFALO. If you have an interesting or compelling option please do post it.

Vic


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:25 am EST

Vic: neither

ges999


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:13 am EST

BTW....the winner of this contest is the one who gets the most correct answers so it does behoove (SAT word.....extra credit) you to make a pick for that 11th bet. (http://rfccjc.com)

Vic


Wed Aug 5 2015 7:11 am EST

Sorry, I was on the road. All picks post over the last two days have been added. RF4L: I like that proposal and added it. It could be a good tie breaker. It is now the 11th pick. Who will be the first to be traded.....YANDLE or KLEIN or NEITHER if you think that both with remain with the team through this full season. I went with NEITHER because I think the Rangers are intent on resigning him and I don't think they are going to trade KLEIN because it leaves them short of good defensive depth for the playoffs. If you have already made your picks please just post your answer to this last question....YANDLE/KLEIN/NEITHER.

Vic


Wed Aug 5 2015 6:56 am EST

RF4L - I don't know if I mind the WJC situation so much...I think the effect is that it brings in some really talented players, but is A. to the detriment of late bloomers; B. Levels out the playing field so that Canada isn't winning every single one. There seems to be a pretty good deal of parity in the tourney. Very seldom does a team just walk away with the gold.

tdchi


Tue Aug 4 2015 9:08 pm EST

mf: MMmmm....ok....got it. Now float one of your famous trade proposals; chances are both illegible and ineligible will be applicable!

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 7:53 pm EST

Amusing comment about MMA on the Internet today: "No woman can beat Ronda Rousey....not even Sydney Crosby!" LOL!

JFC31


Tue Aug 4 2015 6:54 pm EST

JFC: I slid a sheet, a sheet I slid, upon the slidded sheet I sit... I stand corrected! ... Touche' mon ami.

mf


Tue Aug 4 2015 6:46 pm EST

mf -- guys that young are typically very hard to read ;^)

JFC31


Tue Aug 4 2015 6:35 pm EST

RF: He's illegible ay? Try ineligible....... VIC: How about an extra credit category of most grammatical errors by a Wallster for the season? Please format it in a matter where we can bet on a particular Wallster.. Naturally, those that post the most, risk creating the most errors.. Your call on whether or not "lurkers" can participate in this "bonus category." "AND" just to spice it up, how about a "Win, Place, & Show, an "Exacta" & a Tri-fecta, & Odds, to boot! An exacta of StevieLegs/Wildcard obviously wouldn't pay that much! ;-) Ha!

mf


Tue Aug 4 2015 4:25 pm EST

In a related note I watched about 15 minutes of that Canada / Russia game last night. The speed and pace was astonishing. On both sides. These kids take off season conditioning and preparation seriously.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 4:19 pm EST

BTW this wouldn't be exist if the tourney ran from say January 1 to the 15th. It'sa Christmas tourney however.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 4:17 pm EST

Wild. If a player turns 20 before the end of the tourney he's illegible. After that he is. The quandry (if you want to call it that) is the amateur draft rules. To qualify for the June draft you must turn 18 by September 15 of the draft year. Therefore, players who are drafted as 18 year olds with birth dates after are 19 when their first WJC tourney opportunties as NHL drafted players occur. Meanwhile they are the same age as their WJC peers born by September 15. Does that make sense? This is the case with the Rangers Russian goalie I brlieve.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 2:45 pm EST

JFC me too AMAOF Hags was in Sweden when he was traded, coming off a charity game he, Zucc, Hayes and Kreider flew to Norway for. Also when you get a chance, if you haven't already seen this, Cam Talbot showed up for Doms smashfest, and so did Kevin Klein. On the bottom frame they both do some weird dance moves that they supposedly did in the lockeroom. http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/24/9036143/a-smashing-success-a-fan-experience-of-smashfest

WIOSA


Tue Aug 4 2015 2:30 pm EST

RF4L: That was my initial reaction when I thought about it, how can 20 be too old for anything?! And than I thought of the Goalie...it struck me that they are not eligible just two years after being drafted...well 1 year for the G I think. Amazing how quick it can be past...and it also strikes me that a lot of players really do not hit their stride until 20-21, so I imagine thats why there are so many past WJC players who don't make the NHL and so many guys who make the NHL that don't get to play in the WJC just bad timing for some in their developmental curve.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 1:22 pm EST

BTW, so is the Russian goalie prospect the Rangers have.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 1:22 pm EST

Imagine that - he's but 20 and 'too old'. LOL!

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 1:20 pm EST

Rhet/Hospo -- Saw on the Internet yesterday that Zucc and his manager are already in Tanzania doing charity work. Nice pick of them with a lot of Tanzanian kids. The kid's a winner all around.....love the character of our Rangers players.

JFC31


Tue Aug 4 2015 1:15 pm EST

Thanks, thought that might be the case but wasn't sure.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 1:11 pm EST

Wild - no, too old.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 12:58 pm EST

Is Buchnevich still eligible? Just wondering, I know he is playing int e KHL pre-season right now and don't know if thats why or if he has aged out.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 12:15 pm EST

Yet the Rangers have no Canadians, no Russians and a single American in the respective WJC summer camps....

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 12:06 pm EST

RF4L: I have talked about it many times. When you read what scouts are saying about the recent drafts, and the next one )early on at least) that from about 15th overall through the 3rd round there is almost an even chance (in the scouts eyes, and of course only time will tell) that a player will make the NHL and those who make it have equal chance of being top end or bottom end players in the NHL. The gap between the very top end guys and the 4-5 behind them is about the same, and the gap between those top 10 or so to the next level is about the same, but the gap between the late first rounders all the way down into the 3rd is shrinking and fast. I imagine its partly due to the efforts being made by national programs to get kids trained the right way young and all that. SO with that, there is a reason that without 1st rounders and even 2nd rounders that the Rangers have top rated type prospects who are talked about at top guys or possible starters in net, and good on defense types in the system. This will be the trend, it will mean that teams will start looking to move back int he draft if they are not near the top of the first round (or don't have a player on the board they really want for whatever reasons) to get extra picks, and the value of 2nd and 3rd rounders (especially first half of the 3rd round) will start to have more value. We may end up seeing in a few years the draft extended to more rounds again, just because we are seeing more and more underrated players being signed over the last few years, an extra 30 picks and those guys would be under a teams control already for the most part.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:41 am EST

And in saying that I'm not arguing against you - just trying to learn what you know that I don't.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:40 am EST

Rhet: I'm curious - how can you tell that, especially given the fact that they had no first and a mid-second only. In other words, what makes you so confident a chunk of the kids most teams passed over multiple times will make it? And in saying that I understand and embrace the concept that a broken clock is correct twice a day (meaning no matter how lousy your scouting is, sooner or later a non-blue chipper will make it).

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:37 am EST

Like I've said before, IMO, this is the best NYR draft that we've had in years. It would not surprise me to see four of these picks make the NHL some day. In regard to Shea Weber, he is not going to play until age 40. The last three years of his deal are for $1Mil per season. I expect him to retire at age 38 instead of playing for that paltry sum. Also, who cares what happens in the later years of his deal, our shot is now. If we win a cup, nothing else matters. Also(x2), even the retired Chris Pronger's contract was movable to a team that needed to make the cap floor. The NHL be crazy. You worry about the future later.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:22 am EST

TD: Also, it's possible the kid the Rangers drafted in the 3rd round will end up on the Russian WJC team.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:19 am EST

TD: I think the Finnish kid picked in June is the 3rd Ranger candidate at this point. Also, there's an outside chance Gropp could end up being on the Canadian squad depending on how his season starts in the fall. There are a few kids on the Canuck squad who could turn pro (for example Dylan Strome) this year and won't be made available. Historically, Canada suffers more than any other nation when it comes to that and as a result, the summer camp list ends up being altered come the more official invitee list that gets announced in late fall. Usually, at least 2 or 3 kids aren't available (plus there's always injuries and players who simply don't start their seasons well and don't get (re)invited). All that said, like it or not, the WJC tourney is an excellent barometer for a team's amateur feeder system and it's no surprise that the Rangers are lacking in that regard due to all the high picks flittered away recently.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:12 am EST

No surprises here but HALVERSON is the only Ranger prospect on the US world juniors squad. No Rangers on the Canadians(no surprise) or Russian squads either. Halverson and KOVACS could be it for us this year...and not to echo RF4L's 'the cupboard is empty' alarm...that's not a goo thing.

tdchi


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:05 am EST

BTW, during that broadcast (and as part of the discussion that included that 200 to 2 dozen stat), I heard that the Russian amateur hockey association either has already done so or is in the process of putting together a program similar to one the US now has to help foster development and growth of amateur hockey. Excellent news and let's hope it proves as fruitful as the US one. The NHL will only end up reaping the benefit in the end.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 11:02 am EST

Speaking of Russian hockey players, here's an interesting stat I heard last night during the broadcast of the Canada/Russia junior WJC camp tourney going on right now: 15 years ago about 200 Russian born players were in the NHL. Today, it's dwindled to just over 25. Wow! That of course, is due primarily to the existence of the KHL. Someone has posted on here recently about the Rangers purposely steering clear of Russian players. Obviously, that's not a Ranger specific thing - there simply aren't many in the NHL anymore.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 10:38 am EST

VTRanger - Yeah, entertaining off the ice and a nut job on the ice, the Garden loved him back then (I had season tix at the time)..Always fondly remember the brawl in La when he was slapping the goalie...and when he took on th enite Flyer team (and the trainer) during their unbeaten streak..What I would give for an entertaining player like him on the Rangers 3rd pair right now (ANd ye, I'll take Big Mac).....Too bad Gillies destroyed him with that one punch, he became more "dirty" then being a fighter...That fit better with the Flyers I guess...Still have to chuckle about him going after Lemieux BEFORE the game MTL-Philly cup game!

Hospo


Tue Aug 4 2015 10:29 am EST

In 1989 Alex Mogilny took off during a WCHs in Sweden and sought asylum in the U.S. to play in the NHL. Since he was listed as a soldiar, all hockey players were, he effectively deserted and could have been sentenced to death if he had been caught. There is a lot of bias towards Russian players, but they have a very proud and brave history. I always have a problem with people like Mike Milbury that take it too far and piss on them every chance they get.

Ola


Tue Aug 4 2015 10:29 am EST

Hospo: thought you'd like it. He comes across as quite a character.

VtRanger


Tue Aug 4 2015 10:09 am EST

Wildcard - I think there's a very strong chance DUCLAIR doesn't even make the Coyotes this season. They have 12 forwards under contract and if it were between him and DOMI making the team...or even Henrik SAMUELSSON...I'd pick them over Duke. Other issue is can he break the top 6? My answer is no, which means he's Portland-bound, IMO.

tdchi


Tue Aug 4 2015 10:07 am EST

VTRanger - Read the article..Good, funny read ..Gotta love Boxcars' response to a question about his favorite moments...."“Oh wow, greatest moment of my career…I have two. One was playing on the ’79 U.S. World Junior Championship team. And the next one was putting on my Rangers jersey."..Too bad he became a filthy Flyer.....and the WJC roster spot also shows that even goons like Hospodar were pretty damn good hockey players in their youth..but just not good enough rely on it in the NHL

Hospo


Tue Aug 4 2015 10:05 am EST

td: I felt the same way, why didn't they move the two together and get a "better" player...however we don't know what was discussed...they may have tried, and maybe it just wasn't good enough of a deal, like adding Hags to the Talbot deal just got them a higher 2nd rounder in return...in that case moving up int he 2nd AND Etem is better. Heck moving up int he 2nd and Etem may be better than a late first this last draft and for the team now and moving forward. Its hard to get too upset about the trades since we don't know what they tried to do and what teams were offering.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 9:59 am EST

RHET - Thanks for the blurb on ZUCC.,.Great news from a humanitarian persective as well as to know the Norwegean pipsqueak is more than healthy enough to travel and fly....VTRanger - Thanks! hadn't seen it.....So, do we get Brownie points now for putting in the numbers in the "poll"? JK....

Hospo


Tue Aug 4 2015 9:59 am EST

Now on those bets, a couple were tough. First of all, I have no idea really how well in this team the new backup will play. SO its hard to decide how many starts Hank will get, so number 4 is tough, and that leads to number 9 being tough, if Hank starts a bunch more than I think he will end up with more wins, if the backup plays really really well he may start less leading to less wins. The other one that is hard to really look at and really feel like its a hard bet is the points of Etem vs Duclair Duclair will be used (most likely) in the top 6 and be use don't he PP. Etem may not get that opportunity, especially 5 on 5 at least to start, and the PP minutes may not be there for him early either. Declare is going to a weaker team and I think they will need to use him more than he may be really ready for, but regardless he will get more points. So to me thats not a "fair" bet. Also number 2, Talbot could play lights out and stiletto less than 20 wins if the rest of that Oilers teams falls apart, or if they play well he could get 30 wins....thats another tough one to analyze...but in any case, thats the fun of things like this. But that one I had to think on for some time and one I could be WAY off on numbers wise.

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 9:54 am EST

Keep forgetting to do this, and a couple were just really hard to decide on. But here we go with numbers for both (as someone else did) and my pick for winner with a " * " 1) Hags [20] vs Krieder [27]* 2) Talbot [27]* vs Stepan [22] 3) Zucc [63] vs Hayes [65]* 4) Brass [65]* vs Hank [64] 5) Glass [63] vs Etem [70]* 6) Etem [27] vs Duclair [30]* 7) Step [49%]* vs Hayes [47%] 8) Fast [30] vs Miller [38]* 9) Hank [38]* vs Nash [35] 10) Yandle [6]* vs Klein [4].

Wildcard


Tue Aug 4 2015 8:45 am EST

Vic, here you go. I put in my totals in case of tie break. 1.- HAGELIN (23) KREIDER* (26). 2.- TALBOT* (28) STEPAN (24). 3.- ZUCCARELLO (59) HAYES* (62). 4.- BRASSARD* (67) LUNDQVIST (64). 5.- GLASS (60) ETEM* (70). 6.- ETEM (25) DUCLAIR *(30). 7.- STEPAN (48) HAYES* (51). 8.- FAST (38) MILLER* (40). 9.- LUNDQVIST* (42) NASH (35). 10.- YANDLE* (14) KLEIN (9). Thanks!!

hipcheck


Tue Aug 4 2015 8:18 am EST

Or another: Traded: KK vs Yandle.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 8:18 am EST

Vic: Maybe you can consider adding a new bet to your list? How about more NHL games (I purposely didn't specify Rangers because there remains a decent chance McI gets traded): McI vs Lindberg.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 8:15 am EST

WIOSA: Yes, you certainly can use the term low expectations. I get that, too.

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 8:13 am EST

Weber's contract is a killer, too - $7,800,000+ for the next 9 seasons. Ahhh...no thanks!

RF4L


Tue Aug 4 2015 8:05 am EST

Hospo: Not sure if you've seen this, but thought you would enjoy catching up with your namesake: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/getting-to-know-ed-hospodar/

VtRanger


Tue Aug 4 2015 6:33 am EST

mf - WEBER would be a great add for a team on the outside looking in...actually, he'd be PERFECT in Edmonton, where they have a ton of good young players, lots of picks and nowhere to go but up...and I could see Philly trying to shoot the moon too...but on the Rangers? Nope. You'd be taking a HUGE risk there, because if Weber doesn't perform or starts to slide, you're up $hit's creek with a turd for a paddle. NTM...I can't even imagine the haul it'd take to get him...remember, Nashville wasn't willing to take THREE first round picks for him, so there's your starting price...Rangers would probably have to pony up the 2017 first rounder, BUCHENVICH and McDONAGH just to get the Preds listening.

tdchi


Tue Aug 4 2015 6:29 am EST

Vic - Kreider, Talbot, Hayes, Brassard, Etem, Etem, Stepan, Miller, Nash, Yandle. Thems my picks and I'm sticking with 'em.

tdchi


Tue Aug 4 2015 5:59 am EST

Ola - agree with pretty much everything you said...but cap hell? Again, I don't see how trading backup goalie and a third line wing is any indicator of our cap condition. I agree, it would have been tough to get both signed and under the cap...but if you do the math...if we don't take DIAZ or STALBERG...that plus ETEM is HAGELIN's qualifying offer...the Hags move was long term. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere the guy was open to a bridge deal with a very modest cap hit...but the reality is he's going to be looking for a long term deal, probably north of $3.5 million...my guess is that's what he inks with the Duck...five or six years...and then you get in situation where you have him as part of the core...what happens if MILLER or HAYES or FAST end up with 50 point seasons? Then you're in cap hell because you're going to get pennies on the dollar for Hags and his longterm deal...or worse, Hags staring down UFA'dom...Maybe history will prove me wrong, but I think the Hags deal was a very good one...the one criticism I read here somewhat frequently was that folks were ashamed we couldn't package him with TALBOT and get a top player...and I share that feeling...then again, is a team going to pay a top player for a third liner and backup goalie? Probably not.

tdchi


Tue Aug 4 2015 2:19 am EST

Mats Zuccarello will travel to Dar es Salaam in Tanzania in early August to meet with children and people who have received aid via the charity that he works with. (BT.no)...... The goal is to generate 1.5 million Norwegian Kroner through Zuccarello’s charity game and to bring that money to Africa. (BT.no)........ The Rangers had no problem with Zuccarello taking this trip and wished him good luck on it. (BT.no)

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 4 2015 1:37 am EST

MF.... Yes, that is me. He is a beast and would cure a lot of what ails us. Only problem is I don't really see a match between us and the Predators. We would need them to take back Girardi or Staal at a minimum (though they'd probably prefer Yandle). We'd also have to give up prospects/picks. IMO, We'd need to get a 3rd team involved to make it work.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 3 2015 9:02 pm EST

Rhet, are you the big Weber fan here? http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-is-the-time-right-to-trade-shea-weber/

mf


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:02 pm EST

VIC..... 1) KREIDER (goals)..........2) TALBOT (wins)..........3) MZA (points)..........4) HANK (starts)..........5)ETEM (games)..........6) ETEM (points)..........7) STEPAN (faceoff percentage)..........8) MILLER (points)..........9) NASH (goals)..........10) YANDLE (even strength goals) .......BTW, thanks for taking the time to do this for everyone.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 3 2015 5:23 pm EST

Bob, me either. I read a true story some years ago. A hunter shot a buck, put himi in the back of his pick up truck, with his gun. The Buck, it appears was only stunned, scrambled to his feet, knocked over the loaded gun, and shot the hunter. I thought to myself...'now it's a sport'. I like your idea as well.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 3 2015 5:15 pm EST

Well I knew about the rhinos. The San Diego Safari Park has a couple of them. Personally, I don't get the big game hunting thing. Now, if you drop the hunter in the jungle without his gun, maybe with a spear or something and the odds are more even, now THAT would be sport.

Bob


Mon Aug 3 2015 4:54 pm EST

Bob..lol, yes. In fact there are only 5 White Rhinos left, pretty sad. Then again so are the Detroit lions.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 3 2015 4:50 pm EST

Lions are an endangered species outside of the Detroit Lions?

Bob


Mon Aug 3 2015 4:46 pm EST

**OFF TOPIC*** Sorry...just want to take a minute to thank the Empire State Building for posting pictures of Cecil last night. It was massive, and spoke volumes....http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/2/9086831/endangered-species-empire-state-building-racing-extinction

WIOSA


Mon Aug 3 2015 3:51 pm EST

lts simple with Hagelin, as a team you want to be as good as possible at playing your game. That's what leads to success. Not being able to adjust and handle any situation. Hagelin was a very marginal contributor for us when we played our best hockey. He played his best when we were pushed back and he got ice to skate on behind the Ds on the other team. I said the very same thing a year ago, not surprised to see him gone. Of course I keep him if possible, tremendous character on that kid and always a valuble player to go. But we were in a real cap hell and someone had to go...

Ola


Mon Aug 3 2015 2:35 pm EST

Again, not sure where all this HAGELIN love sprang from, but its just not consistent with what he did for the team. Good player, certainly. But realty is he is a third liner on the Rangers. Maybe the Ducks tap some of his offensive potential and he scores 20 or more goals...but we're talking about a player in his late 20s at this point who has had remarkably consistent stats over the years. He scores a lot of ES goals? Yeah? Well ES goals weren't their big problem last year...again...good player, but his stats simply didn't back the pay raise he was going to be due as a UFA. Hags will probably get $3.25 million to $3.75 million and he'll probably earn every penny of it. But on the Rangers he was always going to be a third liner and you simply can't justify paying that kind of cash for a bottom six player...we speak of cap management...well trading Hags was a very good cap move. Or if you want to think about it another way, it allowed the Rangers the space to offer STEPAN, a younger and more critical player, to a long term contract that will look really good in a couple years....speaking of Hags...kind of strange that he hasn't signed yet...

tdchi


Mon Aug 3 2015 2:02 pm EST

Vic - thanks for the new site, although I probably don't need an additional place to go obsessively during hockey season :) I pity the poor (ahem, clueless) person who happens upon it and tries for the life of them to figure out what "rfccjc" could stand for! I will add this for Hags: for a speedy guy, he sure can take a hit. A few times over the past few seasons he's seemingly gotten wrecked by an open-ice hit and as I'm thinking "out for how many games...?" he's bounced back up already.

LeoS


Mon Aug 3 2015 2:02 pm EST

No problem. I'm already on my 8th brain fart of the day. Are you entering our little contest? If so just let me know your picks. Again for everyone's benefit, all are welcome. Regulars and Lurkers alike.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 1:30 pm EST

Duh, thanks Vic. My first brain fart of the day(nt to be the last).

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 3 2015 1:22 pm EST

BOB: Your picks are in. RHET: Even Strength.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 1:12 pm EST

That should be 2013-14 to 2014-15.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 3 2015 1:11 pm EST

NYR brass wanted Hagelin to shoot more with the idea that it would lead to more goals.. Between 2013-14 and 2015-16, his shots on goals went from 144 to 185 and it resulted in the same number of goals and just two more assists. Many NYR fans praised him for being #2 on the team in shots, What a bizarre thing to praise a player for, especially when it didn't make him any more successful. Kreider for example had the 3rd highest shots on the team and had 21 goals and 25 assists for 46 points ...Hospo... What the heck are ES goals?

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 3 2015 12:54 pm EST

I have to agree with HOSPO. However, Hags is the type of player they should be able to replace. Fast is a potential replacement who has significantly better hands and offensive skill. Hopefully, he will compensate for the loss of Hags.

Bob


Mon Aug 3 2015 12:41 pm EST

Say all you want about Hags not burying shots, but at least his non-stop attacking lead to all those shots..AND he still had the 2nd highest ES goals on the team...His offensive tenacity AND production will be missed given the current cast of characters..JMWO

Hospo


Mon Aug 3 2015 12:38 pm EST

VIC: Nice work! Kreider, Stepan, Hayes, Hank, Glass, Duclair, Hayes, Miller, Hank, Yandle.

Bob


Mon Aug 3 2015 12:01 pm EST

Vic: They may feel 3-3.25 IS his max he should get. And if they saw the writing on the wall that he was going to be pushing 4 than that would be overpaying. You don't pay a guy for what he might bring in a career year....you pay a guy for what he is. Hags IS a 3rd line guy that creates pressure but fails to get the puck in the net as often as a more skilled guy would. As its been pointed out he hit the center of the goalie a lot, or missed the net. Yes his speed and pressure will be missed. His PK will be missed, and his IQ will be missed. But I do not think his goal scoring will be. They will replace that "by committee" and the team will be just fine....its not like they suffered from a lack of overall goal scoring last year, it was timely goal scoring they were missing.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 3 2015 11:44 am EST

GES999: Your picks are in. WILDCARD: If the Rangers management came to the conclusion that $3 Mil to $3.25 Mil was too much to pay for HAGS then I double down on my disdain for them. HAGS was and is easily worth that. I wouldn't have buyer's remorse on that contract at all. HAGS is a disruptive force, a terrific defensive player that plays the game at an insane speed, and a guy that can produce without PP time. There are very few players like him in this league. I like FAST a lot. He is a good player who does a lot of things well. But to suggest that FAST can replace what HAGS brought is mistaken IMHO. FAST doesn't posses the speed, quickness and reckless abandon (100% effort level) that HAGS does. KREIDER possesses great straight line speed. One of the few guys close to HAGS. But I've never seen KREIDER forecheck three guys (from one side of zone to the other) forcing them to dump the puck away and ultimately cause the turnover in the span of 5 seconds or less. I've seen HAGS do that.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 11:42 am EST

My take on ETEM v. HAGELIN: let me start by saying I was one of Hags earliest and biggest advocates here. LOVED his hustle at UMichigan and as his game developed, it was pretty clear to me he'd have a decent hockey career. But here's the deal...what you see is what you get. There's a reason he plays on the third line...because he has third liner skill. I've seen better hands on a snake and were it not for his blazing speed, Hags would be mentioned likely in the same regards as SJOSTROM...a kid who is great at PK'ing and scoring an odd goal, but not someone you expect much out off...he simply doesn't have elite talent. And were it not for his elite speed --coupled with an incredible work ethic --I doubt he'd even be in the NHL. That said, he's a solid 15-goal 40-point player and a awesome addition to any third line. But if the Ducks see him as a first liner to jazz up GETZLAF and PERRY? Fugitaboutit. I certainly don't see him landing north of 20 goals, much less 30...he simply doesn't have it in him...getting to that point would take a minor miracle, IMO, ad eventually BOUDREAU is going to say the same thing Torts and AV did, which is that Hags is perfect for third line and maybe a spot performance on second....sort of like he performed with the Rangers. Mind you, he never won that spot on the Rangers...and it's not because they don't have talent on the top lines....another thing on Hags that I always liked, but was a limiting factor...he always played a much bigger game than his size. Hags probably weighs about 185 soaking wet. And he can't really pack on any more weight without damaging his speed game...and while he didn't get shoved around, I did see how his game suffers once the clutch-and-grab playoffs comes round...now onto Etem...admittedly I haven't seen a ton of the guy...but I'll say this: he's got WAY more talent then Hags. He's a very skilled forward who has hands and wheels. Why didn't he put it altogether in Anahiem? I don't know. I will say fatty is a bad coach who isn't exactly good with young players. And notice three VERY talented Ducks were booted to the curb recently after floundering under the human chin. PALMIERI and SMITH-PELLY, along with Etem, are kids you don't give up on or move unless its for a good return. Arguably, they got that with Hags...not so much the other two deals...the reason I bring them up is because it seems the Ducks weren't willing to wait for the three of them to achieve consistency. And so they moved them for veteran players(except Palmieri of course) who could help now...I don't know what this pressure Etem was under, but I don't see any of that happening in NY. He's gonna have a chance to land a bottom six position and if he can elevate his play, maybe something better. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up with similar stats to Hags...now here is the reality on him: he's a solid 20 pounds heavier than Hags and plays as physical....maybe more so. This is a guy who makes the Rangers a bigger, more physical team. I don't think he'll be winning any scoring title...BUT...then again, his upside and potential is a hell of a lot greater than Hags is or ever will be. If he comes as advertised, the Rangers get a bigger, cheaper Hags. If he plays to his potential, the Rangers may have gotten themselves on nasty forward to a top nine that is young, big and plays with the USNTDP snarl. AND on top of everything...what gets lost in the shuffle is that this wasn't Hags-for-Etem...it was Hags got Etem AND Ryan GROPP, who could be a future power forward. All I see of this deal is upside. Miss Hags, but I think the Rangers actually improved here.

tdchi


Mon Aug 3 2015 11:23 am EST

Vic:1) KREIDER 2) STEPAN 3) MZA 4) HANK 5) GLASS 6) DUCLAIR 7) STEPAN 8) MILLER 9) NASH 10) KLEIN Thank you.

ges999


Mon Aug 3 2015 11:16 am EST

Vic thanks...cool site! RF4L, mind if I change your description from disdain to low expectations? I have low expectations, cant help it. Most because of the 'too much pressure in Anaheim' thing - which has since been clarified (today thanks guys) as well has his inability to secure a spot on a team that is desperate for speed, and he's got it.... I have to agree with Vic, to me this is a Hags for Etem deal..and right now, Hags is better. Not only better on the ice, he was a core member - you don't just drop a core member. (What is core? you ask, well in 94 Graves was, Richter was, Leetch was, but Messier was not - he was a hired gun). And I think what bothers me the most, was this was not a New York Ranger trade...this was a Ducks trade. They wanted Hags, they dealt for Hags, we took what we felt was the best they had to offer Recently it was Chicago that said the team that they worried about, and found hardest to beat was Anaheim. Watch the Ducks win the cup next year....Ill be spitting fire. The next day Id silently applaud Hags maybe not the next day, maybe within the next few days.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 3 2015 11:04 am EST

Vic: What was the rangers max on Hags. You do realize they have those, regardless of the cap. They have a MAX amount they will pay for a player. DO you know what that was for Hags? Was it 4 mil? was it 3 mil? If it was 3-3.25 than he was gone even with that much cap space. Teams have to decide in advance, what a player is worth MAX and if they can't get him under that amount than he will be moved. Its not just the amount of cap space, its what the team has decided a player is worth in cap space. So without all that knowledge what you are saying is guess work at best. We have no idea if the Rangers were willing cap space or not, to give Hags what he was going to be looking for.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 3 2015 11:00 am EST

Past two seasons? Like when Stepan was out for 1 games to start the season with a leg fracture? Yeah...would love to see a Coach set his lines for the season when one of the top two centers is out with an injury. He tinkered looking for chemistry, but lines would stick together for a few games, not change every night. That was rare, unless it was in game and he switched things up when nothing was going on (100% of coaches do that in the NHL) but the next game, or next practice they tended to reset to the original, even if things started to look better, he still tried to get lines the way he wanted them. I have zero doubt that if a line works it will stick together.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:56 am EST

VTranger - yeah, and just think, when he and his dipsy doodle Knuckle puck become the rage in New York, Kenan Thompson can play him in a movie!..regarding the "pressure", I would hate to think his response to it was to try less!..Oh well, time will tell

Hospo


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:46 am EST

Hags was one of my favorites and I'm pissed he was traded. Nevertheless, I'm excited to see what Etem can do. I think some of you have misunderstood the source of the "pressure" he was feeling in Anaheim. The kid grew up in Long Beach, which is about 20 miles from the Honda Center. He came out of the roller hockey scene there and shifted over to ice. He was the one of the first local hockey kids to make it big as a first round draft pick of one of the local NHL teams. That's where a large portion of the "pressure" cited by Anaheim management came from. Hopefully, the relative anonymity he'll have in NYC will help his game.

VtRanger


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:38 am EST

And if AV would get it through his thick French skull that this team needs to change its MO (at least on the bottom 6), then Etem will actually have a chance to make a contribution that makes him as valuable as Hags was, but in a different way. If Etem has the size and speed to be a forechecking force and take the body in a heavy, effective manner, then it is up to AV to give that mandate to,his bottom 6 and to guys like Etem. Tell Etem that we have enough dippy doodling danglers on the top 6 and his job is to,use that 200+ lbs. to HIT, go to the net and create chaos. It really is all up to THE COACH, not the player. If a coach tells a player to do X, Y & Z and he doesn't do it, THEN it is on the player.

JFC31


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:37 am EST

BTW: Thanks mf. My pleasure. If we want to use it to track anything else we can.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:33 am EST

RF4L: I don't actually have any disdain for EE whatsoever. In fact, I really do hope the kid finds his game and explodes onto the NHL scene in New York. I will be rooting for him to do so. My analysis and what I wrote are just the way I see things going down when I step back and try to think about it analytically. I know the way the fans in the Garden think because we have seen it over and over again. I know the knee-jerk reaction that people will have is to do a direct one-to-one comparison with HAGS because those two were the only players in the deal. The swap of picks doesn't get thought about unless the guy the Rangers got as a result turns out to be a stud but it will be years before we know that. The Garden crowd will be on EE almost from the get-go. I don't know that he will be booed when he takes the ice for the first time but I think he gets a very short leash with the fans. If he doesn't show flashes quickly and if he doesn't show offensive production and defensive responsibility they will turn on him extremely quickly. I do have a monumental amount of disdain for SATHER and Ranger management, however. I have that disdain because they so thoroughly mismanaged the Cap that they felt the need to trade away a productive and important player who gave 100% effort every shift of every game because they couldn't afford to pay him a reasonable and generally affordable contract. This wasn't a trade where the Rangers were seeking to get ETEM and had to give up HAGS to get the deal done. This was a trade where the Rangers forced themselves into a corner and had to trade HAGS because they were unable to trade players that should have been moved. As a result they took a long-shot flyer on a player who has disappointed so far in his career because they were desperate. And no matter how you slice it this trade makes the Rangers worse this year. I've never been a "go for it" guy. But, this team spent the last few years going for it and mortgaging draft picks and prospects. It is pure insanity to turn around now and make moves that make your team worse, not better, after you have committed to this path. HAGS was and is a playoff contributor now. MAYBE ETEM will be at some point. And if the Rangers really wanted ETEM was there no other way to obtain him without losing HAGS? Of course there was. They could have traded LINDBERG, TAMBELINNI, BUCH, etc.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:32 am EST

Wild -- good luck with hoping that Etem gets "regular" line mates so his game can become more consistent. Did you notice what AV has done with his lines in the past 2 seasons? He is constantly fiddling with them the first half of,each season and theynarent even close to being set until around the end of February. Etem is going to need to play a consistently good game no matter who he is playing with because it's going to change early and often....that's the life of a bottom 6 player under AV.

JFC31


Mon Aug 3 2015 10:18 am EST

ETEM BLOWS..A big guy that likes to dipsy doodle and dangle..Will have some wow moments..otherwise his effort and visibility will be in question..Likely ends up in Hartford for a spell..Maybe someday he will GET IT, but I wouldn;t count on it....And, yes, all this is based on about the 6 games, including two in the minors, that I watcehd him play least year..And, I have been wrong before!

Hospo


Mon Aug 3 2015 9:48 am EST

Another thing on Etem. He played 12 playoff games last season and had 3 goals. Seems like 3 goals isn't a lot, but thats .25 goals per game. He had .111 goals per game in the regular season. So he DOUBLED (plus a little) his goals per game once the playoffs started. Now with all the griping we have around here about guys not showing up when it counted in the playoffs, you would think this is good news. He also had less ice time in the post season, so he really stepped it up. I would think if pressure got to him and shut him down he would have done worse, not better in the playoffs.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 3 2015 9:43 am EST

VIC: Love Hags, always said he had a 2nd line potential, but likely would always be a 3rd line player....but 30+ goals? Maybe with Crosby every shift and top PP time....but that would be at the expense of his defensive assignments and he is one of the best there, so no coach would do that. As for Etem. There has been one thing said about him and pressure, that because he was playing basically in his home town he was trying to do it all himself, and that away from that pressure he may just play instead of worrying about impressing his friends and family. Also, lets not forget, there is another thing. He had a highlight reel goal playing in the top 6 in Anaheim...the next game he was on the 4th line than the game after scratched as guys came back from injury. That HAS to be crushing, have q good game, get a great goal, play well with top guys, and as soon as a guy comes back from injury your dumped to the 4th line than the stands. If AV did that he would be torn to shreds...but I have seen the fact that Etem was benched a game or two later and moved to the 4th line before that as proof that its Etem that isn't good....but again, if it was AV who did it, it would be him holding a id back. So lets wait and see, maybe with a proper line, that is held together for the most part for a stretch of time, he can actually build some chemistry and be a better player. He had a different set of line mates almost every game in ANA, and I read someplace the longest he played with the same line was 4 games in a row...4 games....Image how much less Miller would have developed visual art least, if he had a new set of line mates at least every 4 games? He started tools his best after having the same guys to play with for 6-7 games. Something this wall was alive with when Torts would switch lines around all the time, that you need to get a line together and let them play or they will never really click, so with Etem he never had a chance to click with anyone but no one wants to give him a chance, they have written him off as a sub 10 goal guy, and moved Hags to a 30+ goal guy.

Wildcard


Mon Aug 3 2015 9:13 am EST

TD: thanks for this mornings posts..VIC: thanks for taking the initiative with the fun contest and the website... As for McIlrath, I agree that he's not going back to Hartford, and I don't want to see Klein traded.. Barring an injury or an opportunity too good to pass up, I think you keepKK.. Next year we'd have Girardi, Klein, McI down the right... We're built from the net out, our forwards will eventually find the back of the net... On this EE vs Hag's conversation, allow me to throw in this twist, this CJC member see's JESPER FAST sliding into Hags spot and that's where the comparison of stats may be... Have a good day you all..

mf


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:52 am EST

I REALLY hope that the fans realize that EE is not a direct replacement for Hags - it was a cap dump with some limited upside of EE. If he can fill the Hags role on the PK and use his speed to help the 3rd or 4th line to forecheck in the O as part of the transition game from D and plunk in a few goals to boot we should all be happy. To get ANYTHING back for the Hags trade beside cap space is a plus. Hope the fans realize that (and hope even more that EE can excel here).

Ranger47


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:47 am EST

I think McI makes the team as #7D with Diaz (who I believe does not have to pass through waivers) getting sent down temporarily. If you look at the past few years and the injuries to our D, we NEED to be able to have 8 D who can play if needed. I do not want to see Klein traded since it will weaken our major area of strength and differentiator - and unless we have someone at least as good as Diaz to be our #8 it's WAAAY to risky IMHO.

Ranger47


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:46 am EST

And I don't get the disdain for EE by some on here (including you Vic). Now if you've seen him play a lot then I'll grant some leeway. I do think most are basing their opinions on how he fared with the Ducks and that's not totally out of line I suppose. However, this is a kid who scored 65 goals in his last year of junior. That shouldn't be ignored, especially given his NHL inexperience. Yes, hockey history is littered with prolific junior goalscorers who sucked at the NHL level, but I, for one, want to see this kid myself a few times before deciding definitively how I think he'll fare.

RF4L


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:41 am EST

30+ goals for Hagelin this year Vic? He'd better be working on those hands over the summer then. Hags' speed and hockey sense does result in plenty of scoring opportunities but he's forever firing the puck right into the middle of the net. He's been doing it since he came to NY and I see zero reason to expect him to suddenly start picking the corners. Guess we'll see soon enough.

RF4L


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:38 am EST

WIOSA: At the risk of inflating TD's ego, I will say this about his views and musings on Ranger youth - he seems to be right more often than he's wrong, especially when it comes to the higher end prospects playing in Hartford. Based on that I am feeling good about both McI and Lindbergh and expect both to make the Rangers this year.

RF4L


Mon Aug 3 2015 8:35 am EST

I can't see how ETEM is going to succeed here. As mentioned the guy had issues with pressure in Anaheim. He was traded (as far as the fans are concerned) for HAGS and he will be measured by not only how well HAGS played for this team, but by how well HAGS is doing in Anaheim. I've stated here that I see HAGS having an offensive breakout season this year. He is hitting his production prime years and has developed a lot as a player. Playing on the 3rd line with a rookie center who did little for him for half the season HAGS managed to put up a hell of a lot of shots on goal. His shooting percentage was down as he was having one of those snake-bit years where he either missed the net or put it into the goaltender's chest. I think he is better then that. I think he is going to thrive in a new city on a new team where he will be given more of an offensive opportunity. I'm expecting him to score between 25 and 30 goals this year and there is a chance he has a career type year with over 30 goals. As for ETEM there will be no honeymoon. The fans will be on him quickly and mercilessly. That is the nature of playing hockey in NY and being the guy who was traded for a fan favorite. Ask POTI how it went for him. And POTI was a lot more mature and established player then ETEM. I expect the Rangers to give him chance after chance but ultimately the odds are stacked against him. He didn't ask for this and doesn't deserve it but that is life. Can he handle it? I doubt it. I see a sub 10 goal year for him where he plays a lot on the 4th line.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 7:41 am EST

TD, agree, he seems to feel that Mcillrath is a pretty good AHL player, and doesn't say it outright, but the entire tone is, he will not translate well to the NHL.....Many feel differently, and Beuk singing his praises is a + for me, Beuk is not going around praising people all the time, so that in itself is an endorsement. Hell if he can be 75% the play Beukeboom was, we got a winner......As for Etem v Hags. Well on the site bet I chose him twice, so im hoping. That said I instantly went on the Ducks boards to see how their fans felt about losing him for Hags. Honestly, out of at least 100 posts I skimmed, to a man, they were happy - some thrilled - at getting Hags speed,( cause theyre not the zippiest team in the league), and not ONE lamented the loss of Etem, one or two said they 'hoped he could find his game in NY' That made me groan. So Im hoping they don't know what theyre talking about...and hoping this guy can pull it all together here. Have to admit this would be one of the first times I know of, that the pressure of California playing was too much, so they left for New York City and relaxed....but [shrug] you never know.

WIOSA


Mon Aug 3 2015 7:37 am EST

OK. The site is up (http://rfccjc.com). Please keep posting your picks here and I will update it.

Vic


Mon Aug 3 2015 7:18 am EST

ETEM, IMO, is going to make people forget about HAGELIN pretty quickly...and STALBERG? Who cares? It's a signing with all upside. If he regains his touch, boom: We have a 20-goal scorer for our third line. If he doesn't, then Hartford will have a 20-goal scorer to replace FAST and MILLER'S production.

tdchi


Mon Aug 3 2015 7:10 am EST

schneidw - It's funny because the complaint I always hear about McILRATH is this harping over how we could have had FOWLER...or even better, TARASENKO...or SCHWARTZ...or BJUGSTAD...Well, we could have just as easily ended up with GORMLEY, who, IMO, is a bust....See in Mack's case, there is noticeable improvement in his game...can't miss it...and truth is, he'd probably be in the NHL already if he didn't have two serious injuries...Gormley, OTOH, never developed into the player the Yotes thought they were drafting...he was supposed to be their Cam Fowler...a slick, puck-mover who, with EKMAN-LARSSON, would be a foundation for Arizona's blueline...But IMO, he was picked too high in the draft...wasn't a very safe pick at all...Now he's on a team in the middle of a rebuild and still can't cut it....Mack was always a long-term project and it's one that's now coming to fruition..I know I keep talking this guy up a lot and maybe I take the fall on this one...but I think we have something special in this guy...Think he's going to be a heck of a feature on our blueline...the likes we haven't seen since BEUK retired.

tdchi


Mon Aug 3 2015 7:01 am EST

WIOSA - Not sure what that guys deal is with McILRATH, but whatever it is, he doesn't seem to like him too much...He is, without a doubt, the most ready defenseman in the system. And I suspect when he shows up in camp, he's going to make the Rangers' decision making process pretty easy. Simply put, he's not going back to Hartford period, so that's just not an option. He's either making the team or getting traded...And if the Rangers really doubted his ability to make the team, he would have been moved at the draft...DIAZ is around as insurance, IMO...and depending on how Mack rolls out in camp, I am of the belief KLEIN will end up on another team...as if this is a problem...Reality is we could probably get a top-flight prospect for Klein...definitely a second rounder...maybe even a first...that happens, IMO, once Mack shows he's capable of holding down the sixth defensive position...And he is. Mack having a full-time job in New York isn't far fetched at all...definitely not as much as Herman seems to think.

tdchi


Sun Aug 2 2015 12:54 pm EST

STEVIE, RF4L and R47: Your picks are in. I have a website up but I'm not ready to unveil it yet. Maybe if I get enough done on it today.

Vic


Sun Aug 2 2015 12:08 pm EST

schneid: One significant difference is that the Phoenix GM claims there's a roster spot for Gormley (if he earns it). That cannot be said for McI. Right now, he's, at best, the 7th d-man and that's arguable with the signing of Diaz.

RF4L


Sun Aug 2 2015 10:29 am EST

McIlrath: Similar situation in PHX.... GM comments are harsh... I suppose the season Big Mac lost to injury makes the Rangers org a bit more patient... http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/31/former-first-rounder-gormley-accepts-coyotes-qualifying-offer/

schneidw


Sun Aug 2 2015 9:42 am EST

Stevie - My first version of that post was Win Your Last Game but you can do that well after you've been eliminated from playoff contention... I think I'd be ok with a 2016 Cup followed by a 2017 Spring Playoff Holiday - or better yet, 2016, 2018 Cups then 2019 miss playoffs to follow LA's 'blueprint' :)

LeoS


Sun Aug 2 2015 6:50 am EST

Leo first that have to make the playoffs....la la land didn't....

stevielegs


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