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Fri Oct 31 2014 4:09 pm EST

Now there's a bet you wish Vegas took action on Leo. cause you can book it - and more than once, no doubt.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 31 2014 4:01 pm EST

RF4L - my expectation is that sometime this season a Ranger will be on the receiving end of a more egregious hit and the offender will get a significantly smaller suspension, justified by some more convoluted wordplay from the league.

LeoS


Fri Oct 31 2014 4:00 pm EST

Maybe some can differentiate not whether a hit is for or against a Ranger, but the legality of the hit itself. Stuart on Nash, brutal. Lucic on Nash? Sneaky, disgusting and hell yes, illegal. Moore's imo? Right on the edge but in the chest first, thus legal. Suggesting homerism is insulting, like when you offer 4 good assets for a $6m, 35yr old singles hitter and get accused of it by that Sharks-loving asshole, E.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 31 2014 3:58 pm EST

Vic - you've nicely articulated the general unease I've felt since we acquired Boyle. Lotta heavy expectations to turn around our PP...

LeoS


Fri Oct 31 2014 3:56 pm EST

Wild/td -- if Duke is contributing at the NHL level and playing on a consistent basis, then I see no reason to send him to WJC. If AV is finding it difficult to get him regular ice time, then yeah, at least WJC would be top of the line competition. But, I would not leave him in Jrs. afterwards. I'm not really pushing for Duclair to stick because I favor youth or for any other conceptual reason....I think the kid is ready for the NHL and makes the Rangers a better team. If I were AV, I'd have the kid on the PK...with his speed, he'd get opportunities. I saw him PK in preseason and thought he was excellent....tenacious fore checker, puts pressure on the other team's breakout, can turn on a dime. AV has lots of options to keep him getting good minutes....maybe some days he plays 4th line and PKs, maybe he sits once in a while, so,what? Jrs. holds no challenges for him. I think AV loves the kids game and wants him here.

JFC31


Fri Oct 31 2014 3:33 pm EST

Next time a Ranger gets a headshot I sure hope some people on here defend it!

RF4L


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:51 pm EST

Moore's statement; ghost-written by NYR P.R. What's he supposed to say? Loved the hit. Loved it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:45 pm EST

And from MOORE'S mouth himself: "I respect the league’s decision,” Moore said. “The only thing for me to do now is just move forward from here. Certainly I’m never trying to intentionally injure someone. I’m going to go through the body there. It’s a real tough hit to make. It’s a fast play. I need to be physical but there’s also that line that I crossed. I never intentionally mean to hurt anyone. I respect my opponents. It’s a privilege to play in this league. I’ve just got to be smarter. I crossed the line there.”

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:43 pm EST

Wild/RR - Hit was dirty. Who gives a rat's ass about whether he "threw" the elbow or if it was a follow through or whatever...point is, Moore shouldn't have hit him. Guy was vulnerable. No idea how you guys are still going on this...and also, Moore, I'm sure, had a good idea who he was hitting. Hell, he had a good look at his nameplate when he was scrambling to get back into position...and I just watched this hit again...sure enough, the puck hits the far board before Moore even launches into his hit...Hit was stupid. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:33 pm EST

Wildcard - Just my opinion, but I'd be REALLY surprised if HAYES is demoted to Hartford and even more surprised if he's demoted to Hartford as a center...Having watched a couple Pack games this season, MILLER and LINDBERG are chowing minutes in the middle...POTULNY, who in the AHL is pretty much a top-line center, is getting limited minutes...and I believe TARNASKY is the fourth line center...You see him on the ice like every fourth shift. Now if Miller or Lindberg go the other way to NY, I guess I could see that...but then most likely MUELLER would be going down...and then he'd be the number two center...I've said this before: Rangers see Miller as the center in this group. They could move him to wing in New York, but that's certainly the role he's playing in Hartford...first-line center...My doubts that Hayes will be a center or will head down to the Hartford all stem from him coming to the Rangers...he wouldn't have signed with the Rangers unless he stood an excellent chance of staying with them for the year...he's also got more size the DUCLAIR, which means that he is again the logical choice to keep.

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:31 pm EST

Whats goin on here? Wild is right, youre all wrong. Td, he hit a scrub? He supposed to analyze career stats and determine relative worth before lowering the boom? Very wrong. Just sayin.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:20 pm EST

try again rocky mt high.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:06 pm EST

wow...you really think they are throwing elbows....I feel for you...I really do

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 2:03 pm EST

Wild look in the mirror... Brace yourself first... Everybody throws elbows ... Moore threw his elbow....go see an eye doctor....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:58 pm EST

He wasn't throwing his elbow. OMG IF he was than ALL those other player are doing it. You can't just ignore that it is what players do...he was shoving the guy off, NOT trying to elbow him. You are hopeless....really...watching hockey longer than I have been alive...it must be that senility kicking in...and the old age making hard to see and think...just like the old men who call the games, see things that are not there, say things that are wrong. Because the guy said vicious elbow it was...LMFAO...he can't even get player names correct...but he could see the hit so clearly....my goodness. I actually watched all the angles I could find, and see that his elbow stayed down, and that he didn't aim for the head at all....and he got body...but OK OK OK...I will give in to my elder and stop trying to use facts.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:54 pm EST

Wild I'm watching hockey longer than you are alive. So talk down to your shoes. Even dickaletti says it was a viscous elbow . Not that he or you are correct. Now you want to play semantics and talk about other players. Try sticking to the subject. He threw his elbow like you throw bs....wildly...

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:48 pm EST

should be Giradi not gird

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:47 pm EST

Stevie: Really...do you even watch hockey? You know how many hits have a guy flair their arm up after the hit to shove the guy off and away adding to the hit? Gird does it all the time, Staal does it. Ciara does it, Weber does it. Forwards do it, its the way a lot of players hit. Face it..Moore dis not elbow, and other than the one hit, he hasn't.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:43 pm EST

Wild that's not his elbow flying at his head? Whether or not he made contact with it I haven't watched all the video angles. But he did throw his elbow. That's a fact no matter what you the nhl Moore or anyone else says....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:38 pm EST

Stevie: I have watched the video. Elbow down, shoulder to shoulder to start, not from the blind side. Shoulder was down on the hitting side, stick on the ice, not late. Moore was suspended by the NHL because they have decided that if the head gets hit at all it is the main point of contact. and gave some silly spinning body thing to prove the head to the hit...even though there are some physical things that would counter their argument...anyway...it doesn't matter. Moore didn't elbow anyone, that was my point, there was no elbow, so Moore doesn't need to keep his elbows down since he hasn't don't that accept for that one hit against Weise.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:34 pm EST

VIC: Yes, however the Rangers PP points came almost by accident at times, or off rushes that were 2 on 2 type things with everyone else changing. The SJS had more PP time in the zone, with pressure and they built momentum off their PP much more than the Rangers. The Rangers PP either scored, or sucked their momentum away and gave it to the other team.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:34 pm EST

wild wake up and watch the video,,,stop making a big deal of non facts.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:32 pm EST

And everyone ESPECIALLY Brooks needs to quit it with the stupid "twice in 14 games" crap. Yeah the time frame in games from the ECF game 5 until the other night was 14 games, but come on...there was the entire offseason in there. I would get it if it was game 5 of the regular season, than he missed 2 games, than in game 16 he did it again (his 14th game from the fist incident) or if the hits were even the same....they were not the same, one was clearly from a blind area, and clearly all head to elbow, the other was from a non blind side, with an impact that was to the body and head with the opinion of the NHL that the head took the brunt.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:28 pm EST

WILDCARD: BOYLE had 18 PP points last year playing for the Sharks who had roughly the same number of PP goals and percentage as the Rangers last year. BRAD RICHARDS had 19 PP points playing the point for the Rangers last year. My expectation is that BOYLE ends up with 12 to 15 PP points for the Rangers this season. He will do that while being a defensive liability on the ice at even strength. I think the guy will be a net negative for the Rangers.

Vic


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:20 pm EST

td: Also on Hayes AV says he is a center. SO center he shall be. You are obsessed with moving him to wing...don't get that. And I would bet he would be number 3 in Hartford...he will be ahead of the guy who has 1 point in 7 games. Miller/Lindberg/Hayes would be the top 3 because its the Rangers farm team and they will want their young players developing.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:16 pm EST

TD: NHL was also clear that it was not late. Sure maybe they lied....but why? If it was late they could have said it was late AND to the head and still given him 5 games. And from that spot it takes less than a second for the puck to impact the boards, so thats still bang bang. NHL in their video said he was eligible to be hit, and the only problem was as they saw it, that the main point of impact was the head. with some spinning of the body BS to prove it. Horse S*&T if you ask me, but it is how the decided to go with it....would have been MUCH easier to just say it was late and get him on that.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:15 pm EST

TD: I have to say I disagree with your take on HAYES' prospects at Center. He needs to work on draws but other then that he is fine in that position and far higher in the Rangers depth chart then I think you realize. When STEPAN comes back a decision will have to be made between HAYES and MUELLER. If MUELLER stays HAYES goes down and I would bet that he becomes the Rangers #1 Center prospect moving forward. MILLER's future will be on the wing. If HAYES stays (and I think that is the more likely result) he becomes the Rangers 3rd line Center this year.

Vic


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:14 pm EST

Vic: SO from last year to this Boyle will lose what he brought to the PP a season ago? He had like half his 36 point on the PP, and his PP numbers were not as good as his impact on the PP. When you watched the games he didn't always get points when he created chances, but it still kept the pressure on. Something the Rangers need. I also feel from what was said by the Rangers brass, that they are expecting an NHL defensemen who will bring some more to the PP and overall be a 30-35 point Dman like he was last year. I have not seen one single thing from anyone (save some fans) who think Boyle will be a savior, or that he will bring more than he did last season. Yes, getting him back will be a large improvement, just his experience on the PP will improve it, he knows when to shoot, when not to, what to do and what not to do just from doing that so many times. And the guy can still fire the puck at a top level. SO yeah, things should improve, especially once chemistry gets going. But I think that you overestimate what the team and fans think he will bring.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:10 pm EST

Vic - just to add to your point is that HAULA was hit well after he let the shot off...I'd need to watch it again, but it seemed like the shot went wide and hit the boards before MOORE made contact, which makes it even more egregious...bad hit...hell, I could even give Moore a little credit if he had targeted a good player...but a scrub? There's simply no way to justify it... I have a lot easier time justifying KREIDER's hit...which, if laid a split second later, probably wouldn't have even garnered him a penalty...than Moore's. Moore screwed up. He admitted it. Five game is a lot...more than I would have given him...but for him there was precedent and the NHL said it's using that in meting out these decisions.

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:07 pm EST

stevielegs: I don't care what the stupid ass new paper said. The NHL said he kept his elbow down, and it was NOT the arm or elbow, but the SHOULDER that made contact with the head. And that the hit was not HIGH but he came in at the wrong angle causing the hit to be more to head than the body. SO yeah...no elbow, he wasn't suspended for an elbow to the head, or even an arm to the head, in fact the NHL made special note to ensure it was understood it was not his arm/elbow.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 1:00 pm EST

The other issue is BOYLE. I see way too many people here and in the media anticipating BOYLE's triumphant return to the lineup. I think those folks are setting themselves up for massive disappointment. BOYLE, in my opinion, is very similar to BRAD RICHARDS in today's NHL. Both players were excellent 10 years ago. Neither was considered as the upper echelon on their position in the league but both were on that next rung. Both have gotten older and lost a step or two. Both have seen their game diminish over the last few years. Both of their teams decided that they wanted to go in another direction instead of have them back. The Sharks walked away from BOYLE opting to not even make an offer. The Rangers bought out RICHARDS. When I saw the media talking about what a great signing RICHARDS was for Chicago, and what a great signing BOYLE was for the Rangers I had to shake my head. Chicago wasn't getting the RICHARDS that they wanted. They weren't getting the guy that could really help them like he could 10 years ago. Similarly, the Rangers weren't getting the BOYLE they really wanted. They guy who could have really helped them 10 years ago. BOYLE will be a defensive liability and he won't have nearly the impact offensively that some hope or believe he will. In fact I would be surprised if he was anything more then marginally better then GIRARDI on the PP for the Rangers in terms of actual production.

Vic


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:48 pm EST

Been out of town for a few days and I just wanted to comment on a few things. First, I wanted to close the loop on the MOORE issue and answer a question from WILDCARD that I didn't get a chance to answer the other day. WILDCARD asked me "SO if a guy isn't paying attention you can't hit him?".......The answer to that is Yes and No. What the NHL is moving toward is completely banning any hit where an unsuspecting or defenseless player is annihilated hard on a play. You can hit guys and you can bump guys. What you can't do is take advantage of a guy and really light him up. That is the point I was trying to get across to WILDCARD and RR. Micro-analysis of the angle, the initial impact point or where MOORE's elbow was or wasn't on the play is meaningless in the question of would he be suspended or not. The only thing those things impacted was how long the suspension would be. If MOORE had led with the elbow or directly targeted the head then he would have been suspended for longer then he was. What the NHL says about the hit is window dressing. You have to know this going in. If you light up a defenseless or unsuspecting (meaning come from the blind side or catch a guy with his head down) player you are going to be suspended. You can hit a guy in those situations but you cannot light him up.

Vic


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:47 pm EST

JFC31- Only reason HAYES is in the center is because STEPAN is out. He'll be back at wing the minute Step comes back. And in Hartford, he'd be third, maybe fourth line center...Depth chart goes MILLER-LINDBERG-POTULNY...The kid is a wing. He belongs in the lineup...I know you're pulling for Duke to stay...and I have to admit, after his first goal, he's got me questioning whether he should or should not...but I still see this as the most logical decision for his development...Step comes back next week...Rangers' lineup going forward starts to solidify...top two lines are going to be pretty clear, if not chiseled in stone...Stepan, Brassard, Kreider, St. Louis, Nash, and Zuccarello....that means third line...and what the Rangers really need there is a center that can hold down the line, not another winger to cram into the top nine...I still stand by my thinking that he'll be at the World Juniors and then return to Quebec afterward.

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:41 pm EST

wild no elbow?.. that's not a fact, nor even an opinion........http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/john-moores-nasty-head-hunting-could-lead-to-rangers-exit/

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:25 pm EST

"@stevezipay AV on when Stepan could play: "Sometime between Monday and next Monday" OK. Let's try...MONDAY. I see St. Louis in the middle and my eyes instinctively roll.

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:15 pm EST

JFC: I do wonder if the WJC would be a benefit for Duclair. Tournaments like that are tough, and he could learn from the experience. IF the Rangers can survive with out him for a couple weeks I would say "go for it" I mean, there is some depth at wing, and there may be another guy who needs to get some playing time anyway, so perhaps it will be a win win for the team and Duclair.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:12 pm EST

JFC: Also on Duclair, AV has said publicly that having coached at all the levels, he feels that Duclair will be best served by being with the NHL team and coaches. From that I take that what he seems in him is that Duclair will not learn anything from being at the junior level, maybe it wouldn't hurt him, but not really help, and not any more than being right where he is. I can't see any reason they would send him back down unless the management decides its worth doing that for contract and cap reasons.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:10 pm EST

archie5: This last hit his elbows WERE down. He doesn't need to learn that.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 31 2014 12:10 pm EST

The Duke is a breath of fresh air for sure. John Moore is a great skater and a skilled d-man. He will continue to get better. TBH, it is nice that the Rangers have someone who is willing to hit hard.

Bob


Fri Oct 31 2014 11:46 am EST

I would not be in a rush to get rid of a 23 yr old defenseman making 850K plus pocket change and is an excellent skater....He just has to learn to keep his elbows down....His next mistake could cost him 10 games....not even the Flyers are happy with that scenario......If he doesn't learn.....then he will indeed be gone....

archie5


Fri Oct 31 2014 11:16 am EST

Again, I am getting the impression that Brooks is not just spouting off on some of his statements about the Rangers....it seems more like info that he's getting from a source within the organization, whether it be authorized or unauthorized. Brooks is making statements that have a definite quality about them, whereas usually he will make statements regarding personnel in a more "in my opinion" tone. I agree completely with the statement he made about Duclair and it makes perfect sense....the only question is whether or not he'll be allowed to play in the WJC's....not whether or not he'll be sent back to the Q. He has shown too much at the NHL level to even entertain the notion that another year in Jrs would do anything other than stagnate his development. To send Hayes down to the AHL makes perfect sense because he needs to learn how to win faceoffs and get big minutes at center....I posted that last week. In his case, going down makes perfect sense and will SPEED UP his development. For Duclair, it makes no sense IMO. And if Duke is playing well and contributing to the RAngers success, there is no way they should cave to pressure and send him to WJC. The Rangers need to take care of the RANGERS forst and foremost. Screw WJCs.

JFC31


Fri Oct 31 2014 10:32 am EST

rf4l intelligence nhl?.....oxymoron.....or just regular morons.....broken jaws get special treatment, as do concussions.....frontier justice whenever.....inconsistent is their motto.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 9:50 am EST

Sammy "The Bull" Gravano should be faxing in his resume any day now.....

mf


Fri Oct 31 2014 8:26 am EST

TD: Could be - I also think it's more an intelligence thing. Pronger has always struck me as being a very smart dude; the way he handled the media when he was playing, especially in the latter days of his career, was unprecedented. He took no crap from them and showed time and time again quick thinking in some many of his responses to what are oftentimes dumb and occasionally very challenging questions. Stevens retired just before the current media overkill so I cannot say the same thing about him, but I suspect it's also the case (he's bright in other words). I think it's that as much as anything else.

RF4L


Fri Oct 31 2014 8:12 am EST

RF4L - Just to play devil's advocate here for a second(an especially fitting moniker in Pronger's case), if you want to find the best way to protect a bank from robbery, you hire the guy who successfully pulled off a heist as your security advisory...PRONGER made a career of being the league's biggest dirtbag and somehow got away with it....maybe that's their thinking...And the irony is that the biggest dirtbag pulled off a career-concluding dirtbag move: Get on the NHL dole while still being on the Flyers' payroll without counting against their cap.

tdchi


Fri Oct 31 2014 7:39 am EST

Four more points for Connor McDavid last night, giving him an incredible 38 in 13 games. Geeesh.

RF4L


Fri Oct 31 2014 7:36 am EST

So Chris Pronger is part of the NHL's disciplinary committee - why not get one of the dirtiest under-the-radar players of the modern era to join him. Yeah, let's get that asshole Scott Stevens there, too!!

RF4L


Fri Oct 31 2014 6:58 am EST

Vigneault mentioned on Wednesday how his plans for the power play were drastically changed once Boyle — a right-handed shooter — went down, but failed to use it as a crutch. “Like any season you’re trying to find chemistry,” Vigneault said. “There’s principles on the power play with puck movements, establishing the shot. Since every power play starts with your faceoff, starting with the puck, getting something on net . . . we’ve tried different looks. “Our power play is a work in progress right now,” he continued. “We’re trying to sort it out with the possible units that we might put together. We’re not getting a lot. I think we’ve got one or two (goals) in a game so far, so it’s tough to get any momentum or rhythm there.”

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 5:57 am EST

Ola what's happening is the kid is being branded as an open ice blind side dirty hitter. he needs to learn how to hit without being called for that. the nhl doesn't know a cooke from a moore. they are clueless.....playing pc when they feel like.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 5:54 am EST

"lb, the all knowing...." If there is a decision looming on Duclair, it will be whether to release him to the Canadian World Junior training camp. Tom Renney, the executive director and president of Hockey Canada, told The Post that Dec. 19 would be the “drop-dead” date for Duclair to report. If Duclair were to make the team, and Team Canada were to advance to the medal round of the tournament that is going to be played in Montreal and Toronto, the winger would stand to miss between seven-and-nine Rangers games before rejoining the club on the Jan. 7-10 California trip. "

stevielegs


Fri Oct 31 2014 3:56 am EST

But I think this suspension of Moore is BS. Why? Look at Burrows hit last night. He is going to get a shorter suspension than Moore. How are fans going to interpret that?

Ola


Fri Oct 31 2014 3:54 am EST

I can understand Brooks, he has been the loudest voice in the hockey world when it comes to pushing the NHL to take care of this problem. And, he HAS on several occasions been critical of NYR players getting suspended. I am sure there are people that counts that are keeping a track of that.

Ola


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:01 pm EST

Moore can close ground quicker than 90+% of NHL D, really catch guys off guard with that speed and bad intent. Thats part of what happened on that play. Hopefully he can keep improving that part of his game. If he can lower the elbows and wants to be a heat seeking missle, great. But I dont get as ll the consternation. Isnt everyone always bitchin our D's too soft (they are)?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:51 pm EST

Flyers sign Colaiacovo

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:26 pm EST

Step Im just sayin cant expect miracles from a 5-6D. Said Moore & Hags coming into the year off real big playoff experiences were interesting cases. I agree JM hasnt been overly physical, but this is twice in a relative few games hes tried to behead somebody. Maybe its coming out of him. Maybe hes tryin to step up. Think me & Wild are only ones alive who dont think it was dirty. It was oh so close, but think JMs intent was to deliver a devastating clean hit. Moore is a guy I want to see all year before really weighing in on what he id. No idea why MCI or Allen cant get look here. Befuddling.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 9:47 pm EST

j moore is a student of ulfie....why not suspend ulf?.....so far they are both failing except for those 2 hits which he was dumb enough to do out in the open , and got caught. he needs to not follow thru with his elbow to the head stuff. keep it tucked into his side.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 30 2014 9:46 pm EST

Tampa beats Philly 4-3. Brian Boyle -3. Callahan not in the lineup.

Bob


Thu Oct 30 2014 9:30 pm EST

RR : Moore has been suspended in 2 of the last 14 games because of bad decisions on open ice hits, not because he is developing an edge all of a sudden. I don't find him to be an overly physical defenseman at all. And honestly, I don't see what he has done offensively to suggest we have something special on our hands. This is why I was hoping the team would take a quick look at Allen or McI during his time away.

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 30 2014 8:29 pm EST

Where's this notion the NYR are down or souring on Moore coming from? Brooks? Yeah, right. Cause the NHL issued a wrongful suspension? Screw them both. If you want to take anything Brooks printed serious, the 2 big hits in 14 games tells you something. That this kid is exhibiting his edge and God Bless him! I hope he totals more opponents when he gets back. To me, thats a kid trending up. Even a little more O and we're looking at one of leagues best depth D on a minimal contract.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:38 pm EST

Kitchen: Agree. Moore is the most replaceable D-man IMO. I don't think his transition passing is all that good, particularly his long passes. I would rather have a defensive D-man with a more physical presence than Moore. Offensively he does not come as advertised.

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:59 pm EST

SKJEI, incidentally, has a goal and two assists in four games for the first-ranked UMinnesota Gophers. Depending on how their season goes and whether they return to/win the NCAA championship, we could very well see him in a Ranger jersey...or at least a Pack jersey...by April.

tdchi


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:49 pm EST

Couple things...MOORE is certainly our sixth defender...and the gap between him and the fifth defender(KLEIN) is wide...doesn't mean he's bad...rather it's a sign of how strong the Rangers are on D...And in NO way do I mean he'll ride the AHL bus for the Rangers...no siree...but if the Rangers are indeed souring on him and he doesn't start improving, it's entirely possible they won't qualify him next summer...Kid reminds me a little bit of Steve EMINGER...though Emmy wasn't nearly the skater...Eminger had a TON of potential when he was drafted by the Caps...and for the first few years in the NHL, there were signs that he could become a legit top-4 defenseman...showed some pretty good offensive flair and was a solid hitter...but he trailed off pretty quick...and by the time he dropped to the Rangers, mind you at age 26, he was more or less struggling to be a seventh defender in the NHL...the Rangers weakness on the right was really the only reason he plugged around the league for as long as he did...And let's make something clear about MOORE here...there are only two similarities between him and McDONAGH: He has a 7 on his jersey and he skates well...ends there folks...I like Moore and hope he sticks around...actually, I hope he connects everything and becomes an offensive force for the team...gotta say it's really quite curious that he DOESN'T score more with his talent...but he's quickly moving out of the prospect range and into the known commodity category...at this point, I'd say he's got a slight leg up on ALLEN in speed, but that's about it...they're not far apart...and SKJEI...well...Skjei is a better defensemen I'd say...and if Moore's offense doesn't come on line soon, he'll probably replace him next season when he turns pro. That's coming from someone who isn't too high on Skjei either.

tdchi


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:26 pm EST

That was the most ANTI-RANGER ARTICLE IN THE LAST 25 YEARS. BROOKS, you should be c O mpletely embarassed. Just do the right thing and resign. Just leave.

hipcheck


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:19 pm EST

Larry Brooks is a traitor. Don't ever write sh#t like that in the paper against one of our young ASSETS, you stupid fuck#ng moron.

hipcheck


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:05 pm EST

JMoore is a fantastic skater with a decent shot. However, he is IMHO absolutely putrid defensively. If he leaves/traded, you lose nothing.

kitchen1


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:01 pm EST

Meant to say "Until" we get some of our other D prospects NHL-ready, no way do I move Moore.

Ranger47


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:00 pm EST

I agree - Moore's our 6th D and I think still has a huge amount of upside. Think of how often he gets mistaken by Rosen and Micheletti for MCD - and not just because of the similar numbers (27, 17). He's got great speed and a good shot. I don;t move him unless I have a significant upgrade in the same cap hit range. Perhaps as part of a trading deadline trade for a specific veteran we think puts us over the top for the Cup run. Once we get some of our other D prospects NHL- ready, no way do I move Moore.

Ranger47


Thu Oct 30 2014 3:49 pm EST

The point being, JMoore isn't on a short leash in my book just yet... We need to get Boyle back and allow the 6 Dmen a chance to settle in..... blah blah blah

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 3:45 pm EST

To recap the obvious: John Moore was paired with MDZ for the 1st part of last season, played some games on the right Hand Side. Then we had the trade for Klein, JMoore and Klein had an adjustment period and things calmed down...... Fast forward to the present, with we'd see McIlrath up here with Hunwick, guess AV has his reasons... Fast Forward to 6 games from now, I'm guessing D.boyle will be back, and of those possible pair combo's M11 offered up, I'd like to see MCD/Klein, Staal/Girardi, & Dan Boyle / JMoore...... Just to see the chemistry, nothing needs be set in stone...

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 3:36 pm EST

Guys, John Moore is our No 6 D. I also don't think the organization cares about the suspension -- it was a BS decision by the NHL. John Moore turns up to make a hit. Shit happens. It's not blind side. 1 game at the most.

Ola


Thu Oct 30 2014 2:53 pm EST

I think it'll be sometime, if ever, before we see John Moore riding the buses in the AHL, unless he's sent down for a conditioning stint (which is doubtful - it's only 6 5 games). Why? Because look at the bottom pairing being iced Saturday in his absence. Yikes! And what's on the farm to promote in his place? Doesn't seem like much, based on the who's playing in Boyle's absence and now Moore himself. If anything, he gets traded, but if we think the minors is possible, what the heck is he gonna fetch anyways? He'd have to be part of a bigger deal with bigger chips from the Rangers going the other way I suspect.

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 2:30 pm EST

TD, if you judge a guy like Moore on offense alone, yeah, he's not going to look so great (though I think I remember him ringing a post a while back; no great shakes either way). And yeah, we'd all love him to suddenly become Brian Leetch, and no, no one in their right mind expects that. Judge him defensively, the kid is giving us 15 solid minutes a night, when most teams have big struggles with their depth pairings, getting quality minutes. He certainly hasn't been soft. He outruns mistakes, so Id say the forecast for him defensively is quite good. But to say the window is closing? Moore's 23! You sure the window didn't close on your head?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 1:58 pm EST

mf - I dunno man...MOORE seems like the same John Moore we got from Columbus...and aside from that anomalous period shortly after he was traded, he's putting up similar stats...And if there was a weakest link among the top six, he's it by far...I guess you could argue BOYLE...but even there, he brings something else to the table...I agree with Messier11...the guy has a great skill set...yet Brooks is right where he says there's a disconnect somewhere...doesn't seem like he's not putting in effort...sure looks like he's trying...he's not soft by any means...always sticking up for guys...has blazing speed...has a decent shot...has offensive ability...yet here we are nine games into the season and all he has is an assist...I'd need to double check, but I think it's a secondary assist too. Like it or not, the window is closing...on the Haula hit...did he mean to tar him into next Tuesday? Hell no. Very few players out there intend for that kind of hit...but it was stupid. Plain stupid. First, he was WAY out of position on a guy who was already covered, whether if by his defensive partner or more specifically by Hank(always let the goalie take the shooter)...he should have been picking up the guy looking for the rebound. Got somewhat fortunate that the shot went wide, because if there was a rebound, Moore's side was wide open...then what did he think was going to happen when he landed that hit? That Haula was going to turn around on his follow-through and brace himself? That coming across like that full-tilt wouldn't lead to him coming up on the guy's head? Stupid, stupid, stupid. Accidental? Sure. I'm positive he didn't want THAT result...and there was NO...I mean ZERO reason for him to be targeting a plugger like Haula anyway. Still doesn't change the result, which is that Moore needs to dig deep, come back from this suspension and show that he belongs in the top six of a very strong defensive corps or riding a bus in the AHL.

tdchi


Thu Oct 30 2014 1:54 pm EST

R47. I know Moore practiced yesterday, but that was before announcement. I'd guess is isn't allowed to practice with team during suspension, but just a guess. Here's Zuc LOL http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/pictures-the-rangers-are-having-their-halloween-party/

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 1:17 pm EST

maybe cereal?

stevielegs


Thu Oct 30 2014 1:14 pm EST

And there you go: Totally accidental - not retribution like the Weise sort of was - Weise and Prust were both punk asses against the Rangers in that PO series and emotions were high - not to mention all the dramatics most of the Canadien players pulled, along with the coach. This one was just an accident and completely non-intentional, which makes it really dumb, IMO.

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 12:31 pm EST

@stevezipay: “@Russostrib: Haula called John Moore "a class act," said Moore got number from Justin Falk & called Tues to apologize. #mnwild #nyrangers”

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 12:02 pm EST

Does anyone know if Moore is allowed to practice with the team during his suspension? I assume so. Otherwise, a player with a 5 game suspension on a team which has 5 games in 10 days us penalized more than a similar player on a team with 5 games in 7 days....Just curious.

Ranger47


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:56 am EST

Why not dumb down the game to "flag football?"

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:46 am EST

Good one, Leo

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:37 am EST

I gotta say, having the arena in one company and the sport teams in the other just seem to entail a great deal of risk down the road when the initial lease runs out. When two sides needs each other to make money, its no problem to agree. There is often however problems to agree when one party is dependant on the other. And this just seem like a splít that can cause problems like that.

Ola


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:35 am EST

mf: Still a dumb hit. Yeah, there have been worse and yeah there have been similar hits that don't draw that punishment. To me, it still doesn't justify the hit.

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:32 am EST

Feet

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:31 am EST

RF: Lets look at what John Moore DID NOT do on that check... 1) Did not leave his feat! 2) he did NOT lead with his elbow 3) he did not make initial contact with the guys head. 4) He di nothing improper with his stick... What he did do: He kept his upper arm along side his body & initiated contact with his shoulder.. He hit Haula in the side of his right chest & right shoulder. He DID approach from Haula's blind spot.. His hit caused some whip-lash reaction from Haula, AND I believe there was a degree of wind knocked out of Haula's sails which nobody is talking about here or in the media... Moore basically ran a button-hook pattern and came back and clocked the guy... Are we all watching the same replays? I think JMoore was very conscientious to deliver a clean hit, obviously borderline in todays NHL, but on the edge of allowable none the less... Also, not that the outcome justifies the means, but did anyone hear of any concussion like symptoms as a result of the hit??? Me neither!

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:24 am EST

Also agreed on the notion that Moore has some individual intriguing skills but hasn't, for whatever reason, been able to put them altogether yet, at least not for a reasonable stretch. One could argue, I suppose, that he's still young (turns 24 in a few weeks) and learning. If that's valid my thinking is he needs to start showing something in a more consistent fashion this season. And being suspended for 5 games hardly helps in that regard I suspect.

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:24 am EST

To call something "serial" that has happened twice in 100+ games? Mike Rupp must've been a serial goal scorer, then.

LeoS


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:20 am EST

TD: I respectfully disagree regarding that the John Moore you see is what youre getting.. My untrained eye see's a very conscientious guy here who is improving and will continue to improve over the next couple of seasons, basically growing into his prime years.. Moore is not thick in the head ie: MDZ.. Moore is expanding his growth boundaries just like Kreider... all jmo naturally..

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:20 am EST

TD: Agreed on the stupidity of the Moore hit. I find it incredulous that some on here are arguing it's maliciousness and actually liking it. Reverse the tables and this place would be alight with wild angry protests. Don't get me wrong - as you know I'm all for retaliation when a Ranger is gooned/cheap-shoted/intimidation tactics/etc but where did this come from? The WIld might be meaker/milder than the Rangers are. If you wanna throw a scare into the opposition do it to someone more deserving, like that asshole Marchand. Now that I'd be applauding on here - perhaps even driving the bus!!!

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:11 am EST

Td- I don't really disagree with much of that. To me AV, Ulf and Moore are still trying to figure out what Moores game is. The (clean) hitting aspect wasn't there at this time last season. He has speed, isn't afraid to hit, has been shooting some. To me, we haven't seen just what Moore can be, and I have a feeling that were pretty close to seeing that.

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 11:10 am EST

Td- I don't really disagree with much of that. To me AV, Ulf and Moore are still trying to figure out what Moores game is. The (clean) hitting aspect wasn't there at this time last season. He has speed, isn't afraid to hit, has been shooting some. To me, we haven't seen just what Moore can be, and I have a feeling that were pretty close to seeing that.

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:51 am EST

Messier11 - Disagree. Brooks is again stating the obvious. MOORE doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant the suspensions he's gotten in the past 14 games...you can argue the suspensions themselves were heavy-handed, but not that it reflects very poorly on the guy...NTM...his five games were in part because the NHL wanted him to sit AT LEAST five games...the league, mind you, wanted to bang him for more(no pun intended), but feared an arbitrator might end up handing him less...like it or not, Moore has unfortunately entered the territory of Matt COOKE...whether that rep was deserved or earned is a matter of debate...the fact that he has it is not...that makes him a liability not just with the Rangers, but with any NHL team...and as I said, if he brought offense or ironclad defense to the table, teams would overlook it...but with how he's playing now? Nope. Simple math, man. He's one poorly-timed hit away from riding buses in the AHL...and let's be honest here: The John Moore you see today is the John Moore you're getting. He's going to be 24 in less than a month. There's not much more development he's going to have...and the 'nickel and diming' mf brings up...let's remember the Rangers gave him a $500k PAYCUT this season...and it wasn't like Moore said WTF and walked away...he took it. Brooks' article is biting. It's opinion. And it may be wrong in the end...but it's all based on the facts that are out there. The big one being Moore is on borrowed time.

tdchi


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:45 am EST

The rules state that if a player commits 2 infractions of a certain type of penalty within 41 games, Then, the situation calls for a further action of "X". The games from 1 season flow into the next with no differentiation of playoffs or new season

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:42 am EST

I don't agree with the duration of the suspension. At first I was real pissed at Brooks writing two hits in 14 games as if 1 time wasn't playoff hockey and there was a summer break, but there seems to be a shortcoming in the rules (TBC)

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:38 am EST

Could it be that the Rangers in conjunction with the league seized the opportunity to promote their new agenda of policing the game for safety in a big media venue? It is the PC thing to do these days.. If that is accurate, I'm OK with it.

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:38 am EST

Could it be that the Rangers in conjunction with the league seized the opportunity to promote their new agenda of policing the game for safety in a big media venue? It is the PC thing to do these days.. If that is accurate, I'm OK with it.

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:25 am EST

So Jimmy Silverspoon + The Deaftones need to go through the local rag to get a message to a 3rd line dman that they nickel & dimed in negotiations? Time to call the H.R. dept.. Hey Brooks, your article is misleading. Go cover the Devils.

mf


Thu Oct 30 2014 10:01 am EST

I would think the Brooks article is conjecture, up until the last sentence. If he hasn't been told something by management, I don't know how he could assume that they're ready to move on.

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 9:51 am EST

Malones barely played and already needs maintenance days

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 9:44 am EST

IMO Moore has elevated his game, but it still work in progress. He is a better defender than he was at the beginning of last season

Messier11


Thu Oct 30 2014 9:39 am EST

re: MOORE...I don't know...I like him as a player, but there's no question he hasn't elevated his game and, among the Ranger defenseman, is probably the biggest liability...sans HUNWICK and KOSTKA of course...actually...Hunwick has been better most games, IMO...the headshot was flat-out stupid...and while you can argue where his initial point of contact was, Moore certainly followed through to Haula's head in a 2-0 game after the guy had already taken a shot...the best-case in scenario is that he gets a two minute penalty for roughing...Had it not been for the inept Wild powerplay, that could have easily lost the game for the Rangers and for what? To take out a plugger from the Wild? I mean, it's not like Haula is a top player...and he had already HAD his shot off...it was a stupid play...a mental lapse and horrible judgment all wrapped in one...I don't think Brooks was fed any inside info on that...he took a position that is logical: A player has in 14 games put the Rangers in a position where they're down one of their regular defensemen in the game and in the playoffs/season. Now if Moore could point to his offense and show he's on a pace to land 10 goals and 35-plus points...well, AV might overlook his defensive lapses and poor judgement...But after a strong start with the rangers (6 points in 13 games), Moore has now scored 4 goals and 17 points in 104 games as a Ranger...frankly, those numbers suck...they're DEFINITELY not in line with his skill-set. This is a kid who should be easily getting 25-plus points a season...So Brooks is pointing out the obvious: The ship is about to sail on Moore...SKJEI will turn pro next season...ALLEN is looking good in Hartford...and a kid like BODIE, despite his defensive lapses, would actually bring something to the Rangers they don't have, which is a slick, puck-mover on the left who can QB a powerplay...Long and the short: There's going to be competition for the leftside third-pairing...This is Moore's last chance, no doubt. He's on a one-year contract and while he brings a physical edge, I can't help but wonder if the team would have been better off moving him for KLEIN and keeping DEL ZOTTO.

tdchi


Thu Oct 30 2014 8:11 am EST

Hags the pirate with a little minx of a ...... what do you call a female pirate. A pirate I think. Mmmmmm....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 8:03 am EST

NYR Halloween party, Zuc dressed as a Dolphin! Too funny. Will link it when I can.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:53 am EST

JCF: MMmm....interesting take, but really, do you think management is that reluctant to sit down directly with the player and lay it on the line so they secretly feed their position to LB? If so I am thinking it's a sneaky calculated move by Sather. And gutless. And risks creating a distrustful environment between management and the players, especially if they are wise to the tactic, which I would think would be the case if it's the truth I mean, if some folks on the wall can decipher it, surely the players would be able to?

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:52 am EST

AV loves Moore. The kid lived wifh his family for a while if not mistaken. And AV didnt sound like he even thought it was a dirty hit, though he said he wanted to check replay. Thats Brooks taking stupid and irresponsible liberties if I had to guess. And RF you ask the right question, and the answer is cause hes scared. But not too scared to print something outrageous about one of our young players. Gutless.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:47 am EST

Hipcheck: you took the words right out of my mouth. Pure hatchet job by Brooks. I like reading Larry's articles, but this one was simply unfair and grossly biased. It's ridiculous to describe separate events that occurred in the playoffs last season and the first month of this season as happening within "an absurd span of 14 games." Looks like Brooks himself is doing some headhunting on John Moore.

VtRanger


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:29 am EST

The article by Brooks has all the classic signs of message-sending by management. I'm sure they've talked to him in private but it seems to me like they want to drive the point home with a public outing of J. Moore, so they fed info to Brooks. There is no way IMO that Brooks is going to write, "A third strike, and he will be out, if not out of the league, then out of New York." unless that was said to him by someone in Rangers management....it's something that they would not necessarily say to the player directly, but through the press. It makes perfect sense in a "scared straight" kind of way. Even for Brooks, to suggest that a guy would be traded by the Rangers if he offends again, and say it so definitively, is a big stretch....IMO that's management who is talking to Moore through Brooks.

JFC31


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:18 am EST

So LB rips a Ranger player in one of his articles. How come he's never done that the likes of Sather (most deserved during the early and mid 2000s in the very least) and Tortarella (quite deserved during his last year here)? What a hack!!

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 7:14 am EST

WIld: Re Smith - very true. The thing about Smith is he underachieved his entire career, until he came to Phoenix and started to reap the benefits of playing on a tam coached by Dave Tippet, probably the smartest move by Maloney.

RF4L


Thu Oct 30 2014 6:45 am EST

"Ryan Malone was out for a maintenance day but is expected back on Friday. The Rangers are off Thursday . . . On Wednesday, the lines were Mats Zuccarello-Brassard-Nash; Chris Kreider-St. Louis-Anthony Duclair; Carl Hagelin-Dom Moore-Lee Stempniak; Tanner Glass-Hayes-Mueller, although Mueller took some faceoffs"

stevielegs


Thu Oct 30 2014 5:52 am EST

larry find a new sport, and get off your high horse..... or go watch skidney....." Moore’s inexcusable lack of discipline is costing him and the Rangers, and what else is new? The 23-year-old has been among the team’s most disappointing players thus far. A tease with obvious talent who cannot seem to connect the dots from his skates to his hands to his heart to his head....His behavior is not acceptable. His lack of discipline is not acceptable. Twice within 14 games he has injured opponents and hurt his own team. A third strike, and he will be out, if not out of the league, then out of New York.."...http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/john-moores-nasty-head-hunting-could-lead-to-rangers-exit/

stevielegs


Thu Oct 30 2014 4:21 am EST

I'm trying not to be a blatant homer, but I've liked MOORE since he was acquired & I've defended him here on the wall numerous times... What LARRY BROOKS did was an out and out hatchet job!!!! That article has an agenda, and I think it is total bush league!!

hipcheck


Thu Oct 30 2014 3:11 am EST

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20141028/BLOGS02/141029852/msg-breakup-paves-way-for-dolans-exit

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:11 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/28/split-msg-business-would-be-a-garden-of-delight-for-investors/

mf


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:02 pm EST

Congrats Hospo: http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/bumgarners-heroics-lift-giants-to-world-series-title/

mf


Wed Oct 29 2014 9:55 pm EST

It was a dirty and dangerous hit and I have no problems with the punishment. Send the message to the rest of the league that this is not going to be tolerated.

Topovski


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:59 pm EST

No hearing on Gryba hit that gave Anisimov a concussion ? What a F in joke ! This league is a disgrace ! Hate to be the wearer of the tinfoil hat..... But Jeeeez

stepunmytoe


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:55 pm EST

RF4L: you talk about Smith, I've seen it across sports, sometimes I think when guys get that big contract they kind of sit back a relax...like they go "phew, thank god I got that done" or "I made it!" And the mental sharpness and some drive goes away. Usually they turn it around though, because the competitive drive that got them there kicks in. We shall see with him. That or perhaps the team in front of him has regressed leaving him more exposed.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:50 pm EST

Lost patience with the NHL Rulebook: anyone know if John Moore is allowed to practice with the team while being suspended by the league? thanks

mf


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:48 pm EST

The delay in calling someone up may be to let the young guys play in the two games over the weekend (sat/sun) instead of practice and 1 game with the Rangers. Not sure if I agree...but it may be on their minds.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:36 pm EST

BTW, not that most care I suspect, but the Yotes are off to horrible start and that's primarily because they simply aren't very good (and Don Maloney is a mediocre GM who might be less competent than Job-For-Life Glen Sather which I know is quite disparaging). They've never been that good either, but in the recent past (like last year) they've had fabulous goaltending, courtesy of Mike Smith who never did much until he landed in Phoenix. So this past summer, Smith signed a lucrative long term deal and now is sucking. Interesting.

RF4L


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:32 pm EST

Maybe they pickup a Dman tmrw. If Pack had games Wed-Fri I could see ig. But they dont best I can tell.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:22 pm EST

steponmytoe: Totally agree. You wanna be a cup contender with those 2 on the roster? LOL.

RF4L


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:20 pm EST

Wild: Trust me, I'm relaxed. I'm too old and I've been a fan of this team for too long to get wound up over something like, as stupid as it might be. Count me in as one anticipating some major screw-ups from that awesome bottom pairing. Maybe the King will smuck one of them over his head. I'm thinking if so, it's Koscrap.

RF4L


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:16 pm EST

Disappointed either Allen nor McI are not a part of this so called "mini camp"and given the opportunity that a player like Kostka is afforded in these next 5 games. Kostka has no future here. Wasted chance to see how one of these guys would handle a short showcase like this. It doesn't make any damn sense. Can someone talk me off the ledge on this decision ? I know people here are saying give the team time to get one of them up but they are wasting valuable practice time in their delay. I have this strange fear AV purposely ignores the obvious to show everyone how smart he is. Like the previous coach.

stepunmytoe


Wed Oct 29 2014 6:47 pm EST

AV said today & tomorrow are hockey camp. Working on high-end skills, then conditioning coach beats players half to death. Good. Should pay off down road. Moore's offense may never come but if he keeps bite in his game he's a very valuable 3rd pair D. His reads are good & he doesnt get burned a lot.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 6:34 pm EST

JMoore is a NYRanger repeat offender.... 5 games for that..... Crosby, good clean hit, no penalty.... Was Pronged one of the sponsors of the sentence? Might as well gift wrap it.

mf


Wed Oct 29 2014 6:24 pm EST

I like that the league heard about the 2 dangerous hits, 2 ejections, 1 suspension & 5 goal 3rd period for the win.

hipcheck


Wed Oct 29 2014 6:01 pm EST

even gross doesn't get it...."All things considered, John Moore should consider his five-game ban for his head shot on the Wild’s Erik Haula on Monday night a light sentence."

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 5:14 pm EST

Well any comparison to the Prust hit is just so laughable. That Moore's sentence is longer is a disgrace. The NHL frequently sucks. In reading the statement from the DPS, they take exception with the angle, and I agree it was awkward, but that happens on the ice. So what, if you can't hit a guy head-on you have to let him go? Thats NUTS. I say that for any team, any player. Can't over-legislate the game.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 5:07 pm EST

when koska screws up Saturday, 1 kid gets rewarded and promoted from Hartford.....maybe......

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 5:07 pm EST

RF4L: so you have new news from the Rangers? They said they were not calling anyone up until they heard how long Moore would be out. Maybe with it being 5 games they revisit that now. And maybe they go 1 game as is than make a call up. Relax. The two guys you mentioned are part of the depth. Let's see how things go.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 29 2014 5:04 pm EST

And since when does a spinning body mean the hit isn't straight through the body? It's also impossible to have the head take the hit, and have the head stay in line with the shoulders of there is impact causing the body to spin. The head would have to turn dramatically than the shoulders would follow. And somehow last playoffs prust getting Stepans jaw enough to break it was OK, but for Moore it's 5 games.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 29 2014 5:01 pm EST

Wow, bottom pairing will for Koscrap and Hunshit? Allen and McI aren't worthy, I guess. Nice depth this team has. Cup contender? Ha, not likely with those 2 in the lineup. Sather SUCKS!

RF4L


Wed Oct 29 2014 4:56 pm EST

I just watched it a bunch more times Wild. Looks to me like Moore first makes contact with the chest, then comes up and follows though. As you say, I don't know how the league legislates that, what comes after the IPC. Who's to say? Now they're determining intent? Looks like a great hit to me - and the guy definitely knew it was coming, hurried his shot.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 4:50 pm EST

NHL actually said initial point of contact was the shoulder but main point of contact was head. Really. So now players are responsible for what happens after the hit is initiated, so what's next. The hit was good untill the players head hit the ice. At that point an injury happened?

Wildcard


Wed Oct 29 2014 4:41 pm EST

Arg. Almost ' Double.' Real thing is you'd hate to see these guys lose their aggressiveness.if that was an illegal hit, and I don't think it was, it was so close, Moore seemed to do everything right except he punished the guy, and this apparently isnt allowed. I don't understand, with all the angles they have that they can't determine it wasn't a headshot. Yeah the guy's head snapped, cause he got decimated. And it goes for Kreider & Moore as far as then aggressiveness. That's why I was happy to hear Kreider yesterday, if you listen to the whole interview, he didn't agree he should've even been tossed and said he's got to play with an edge. Good.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 4:39 pm EST

We have no first round pick. There is no McDavid bonanza for us, therefore there is absolutely no reason to let Koska in the line up.

gene_carr


Wed Oct 29 2014 4:19 pm EST

So Moore gets almost fouble what Prust got. Except head wasnt principal point, guy wasnt hurt, and its nof the playoffs where the offense should be more egregious. What a jokE.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 4:06 pm EST

Well, looks like the era of HUNWICK will continue for at least another five games...report is that John MOORE getting suspended that long...basically two weeks...so now we have two weeks of Hunwick and Kostka...sweet Jesus, AV...MAKE THE CALL..give someone down there a shot.

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 2:30 pm EST

read theat Dan boyle is due back mid November... There should be no excuses that his legs are out of shape.. Boyle worries me, hope its just part of being a Ranger Fan...

mf


Wed Oct 29 2014 2:02 pm EST

Hospo good luck with the former ny Giants.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 1:00 pm EST

Ughh....Hank better have his Wheaties...a lot of them...@StephenCLorenzo #NYR won't call up defenseman right away, could change with length of Moore's suspension. Looks like Kostka on Saturday

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:34 pm EST

Step eligible to come off LTIR for Monday vs.Blues.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:26 pm EST

when and where is d boyle ? ...pp still not close to good......

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:16 pm EST

AV says Step to practice in 4-7 days.J, tnx. No word on Moore yet, think it was 1pm so probably soon.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:12 pm EST

:::Goosebumps::: after DUCLAIR'S Goal when the crowd serenaded the rookie with a "Dooooooooooooooo"!! New New Garden still sounds good. -- I LOVE #27, but ZUCCARELLO should be Captain. His Goal shows so many things, especially Heart.

hipcheck


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:08 pm EST

any news on John Moore yet????

jnyr


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:07 pm EST

RR: I enjoy your posts....you bring a lot to the table.....a word of advice...keep it NYR related......and dont get into derogatory outbursts.....as the guy with the pointy ears once said...live long and prosper

jnyr


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:59 am EST

Drinking an ice+cold beer & watching the 3rd period against Minnesota again. #lifeisgood

hipcheck


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:56 am EST

Ignore all drama on a hockey wall. //// I haven't read anything about dressing room concerns regarding Byfuglien. Hunwick by most estimations has been a great no. 7.

Messier11


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:40 am EST

BTW, Jared Cowan of the Ottawa Senators might be available - he played last night in the Sens win over the BJs, after being pressboxed for 5 games. He netted 18 minutes of icetime and was a plus 1. He'd bring a physical presence to the Rangers backline and can be quite effective when he plays within his limitations. That said, he may suffer from the same fate as McI in that AV may prefer someone with perceived better skating/puck movement abilities, like (gulp) Hunshit or Koscrap. I'd think, given the pressboxing he received, he could be had for a reasonable return. What that return is I don't know. Probably a forward.

RF4L


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:25 am EST

Ahh....I was wondering when BYFUGLIEN's name would mentioned - he's another wall favourite when it comes to possible Rangers. I get the allure, but he does come with dressing room question marks and worse, he'll cost an arm and a leg in terms of prospects/young players and simply put (IMO of course), the Rangers cannot afford that. I suspect the asking price would be something like Brassard, Hagelin and Duclair/the Russia kid/Skeji. The same goes with the other Jet favourite in here: Evander Kane. Too rich.

RF4L


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:22 am EST

OK, let the record reflect, I'm simply not responding to ANY of that. Ryan Malone maintenance day.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:16 am EST

RR: see now there you go. Just another dreck that comes crawling out of the wilderness with aggressive yet witless word vomit daily. I tell you what... I'll leave the wall to you my friend but I'll educate you on this: since the inception of the wall (one that you know nothing about or you'd respect it more) this place has seen plenty of Internet tough guys who fancy themselves as highly intelligent and educated in the world of hockey come and go. I would expect that with time you to will fade off into the sunset and just join that trash heap. And then we will coin different phrasing something to the effect of: "don't get all RR on us." And we will all will understand its meaning and connotation. And the wall will move on in celebration of your absence. Until that day comes, one thing that I've learned is that the more time I spend in retort gives you more time to spend on countering what you would consider pithy yet insulting as to prove your superior abilities at not all things New York Rangers, but all things hockey, hockey culture, and the universe in general. And so I offer this in parting. Good luck sir and the wall is yours. Be a good steward, care for it, play nice, and try although it's hard and your capacities are limited to elevate it. You may take some time to come up with your snide comeback but know this. Your only response will be crickets. And to my brothers and sisters of the wall. I'll see you guys when this creature has found greener pastures to turn to hay. Now please take out your popcorn for what will be an interesting day and my apologies in advance for what the whirlwind of stupidity soon to be brought upon you. We'll try again down the road. Thanks guys

E


Wed Oct 29 2014 11:14 am EST

I would be very interested in getting Byfuglien....he was on my wish list at last year's trade deadline. I wonder if his foot speed, or lack thereof, would be an issue fro AV, whether playing D or wing? The more I hear AV and Rangers players talking about the importance of breakout passes, the more it makes me think a trade for a D-man is in the works. Game 20 is my imaginary red line for the first trade of the season. If Staal isn't signed by the deadline, I believe that the Rangers will trade him.

JFC31


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:51 am EST

TD, I've wanted Big Buff for years now. He was WRECKING people the other night. Their GM Cheveldae is paralyzed by fear of making any deals. But seriously, we haven't had our team on the ice for a SINGLE GAME all year. That's why I think nothing happens till somewhere between Thanksgiving and New Years. BTW, heard Jumbo Joe is home dreamin of becoming a Ranger stroking' it. He's coming. He's COMING!!!! LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:42 am EST

Rangers + THORNTON - STAAL = a team struggling to make the playoffs. Sorry, but that doesn't work either. You don't improve your team by weakening your defense. Look at the Islanders...a club that has tried for YEARS to build from the front back...this is the first season in years they've actually taken their defense seriously.

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:39 am EST

Now if we want some more reasoned talk, if I were the Rangers, I'd be on the horn with Winnipeg about BYFUGLIEN...lord knows what they'd want for him...probably a king's ransom...and I'd sniff around a couple of their top prospects...TROUBA would be a game changer for the Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:35 am EST

Higgy- I see where you are coming from re Jumbo Joe, but does it really work cap-wise? We are not accumlating any cap-space as of today. If we are healthy after Step and Boyle comes back, its possible that we could do that and just possibly squez him in before the deadline. But Jumbo Joe is also signed next season at 6.7m per. Their are some grim expectations, but I still think the cap will go up alot this summer. But not 10%. We have MSL, Zucc AND Staal as UFAs. Its perfectly possible that we would loose 2 of those 3 if we got Jumbo. I thought we could get Jumbo Joe, but that was before we signed Dan Boyle. Now I just don't see the cap room to get him.

Ola


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:29 am EST

Agreed TD re; stale. Beyond and then some. I was about done till E the Great Elevator started in. And hopefully they treated Marleau with more dignity than they did Thorton. Whatever. Still not even sure I'd want the guy! Thorton btw wore 'A' the other night. What kind of clueless effin franchise treats its top players this way?

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:20 am EST

BTW, Thornton will be a Ranger before we know it. The pieces work perfectly. We need a center, they need a defenseman to put Burns back on the wing. Staal for Thornton! Rather pay Thornton 6mil for three years than Staal at 6mil for 6-7 years.

Higgy21


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:18 am EST

RR - The whole Sharks analysis, IMO, is getting a little --scratch that-- a lot stale. Jumbo Shrimp ain't a Ranger. There's not a peep anywhere about him being traded...and the Rangers, despite desperately needing a center, haven't even hinted that they're sniffing around...so all this is fantasy...And as far as stripping someone of the C...the Sharks did the EXACT same thing with MARLEAU...and all the fan sites were speculating he'd be traded...lo and behold, Marleau's still a Shark. Only now there's zero talk about him being traded.

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:11 am EST

Think they have to wait until it's official Higgy. Roster's full so until they throw the book at Moore - which I still can't believe after watching it 50 times - until he's trounced IDK they can announce anything. Gotta believe Allen is coming up, IMO. I liked him a lot his last go-round.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:09 am EST

With a lengthy suspension looming, why hasn't anyone been called up to practice with the team. Hope it doesn't mean KOSTKA is in

Higgy21


Wed Oct 29 2014 10:05 am EST

Oh...and for all of you writing off or downplaying what STAAL does for the team...or saying that he's not worth a GIRARDI-like contract...here's another news flash: What they have on the left in the system AIN'T much better...SKJEI is, by a fairly large margin, the top defensive prospect with an LHS. Apparenly, the scouts are really high on him(from what I read)...Now I've seen a decent amount of Skjei...at the WJCS...in college and in the NCAA championship...I really don't see what the fuss is about...solid defenseman...smooth skater...has SOME offense...not a lot...but is probably two years away from putting on an NHL jersey...after that, you have ALLEN, who I mentioned already...and then BODIE, who is a kid I'm REALLY pulling for...but truth be told, he makes boneheaded decisions in the AHL that made Del ZOTTO look like a genius...and he's 25 in March...his offense is there...he's a great offensive blueliner...but I'm not sure his game will ever be up to snuff in the NHL...Elsewhere...we have WALCOTT, who is doing well in the Q and had a nice showing at TC...but really, what is his upside? Ryan GRAVES is another stay-at-home...but again...no where even near the league or likes of Staal...and then there's PASHNIN...we've heard about him for years and there's zero indication that he'll ever cross the pond...so while we're not shallow or weak on D...you take out one of our top three, and we're in A LOT of trouble...I wasn't for giving the farm to STRALMAN, but given the outlook now, I would have much rather given him the $4.5 million and foregone some of the pluggers we signed...but I'm not sure we could have fit him under the cap...Bottom line is the Rangers NEED a strong draft next summer....and they really need to hope Staal's asking price is the same or less than Girardi's.

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 9:58 am EST

TD, just cause someone agrees with you doesn't make it reasonable Haha. And actually, if you wanted to delve, the Rangers could move someone off their roster right now and make a deal lickety split. The Ranger players, including Brassard noted how Hayes is similar to Thorton. I'd look at him MAYBE as a poor man's Thorton someday, maybe as a VERY poor man's JT. And there'd have to be more going the other way. I mentioned Skjei and then E mentioned him, but he knows everything and I know nothing.But even Nash commented on how Hayes took it to Thorton a bit last week. Ahem. Who knows, but for SJs purposes there's a big RW/C if they're stuck, and they will be when the time comes. Hayes isnt the fastest guy and I'm sure E will demand 50-goal potential and greased lightning speed lol. Other thing is Rangers aren't only team possibly interested. Toronto has been sniffing around JT, Id expect management there to try and put some other deals together and get Thornton to waive his NMC. but look, we're all long-time sports fans here. How many times does a team and player publicly not see eye-to-eye and it gets resolved and everyone lives happily ever after? Right, NEVER. They didn't even tell the guy they were stripping him! And he just came from a meeting with the coach!!!! He got to his locker and must've been like, Yo, where's my fucking "C"? Lol!!! I don't care how you slice it, that's some bad shit.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 9:54 am EST

Its a long seasi think John Moore has great upside potential, & I would not give up on this kid. Didn't think his check was with intent to injure, I think Haula had some of the wind knocked out of him from the hit, surprised none brought it up

mf


Wed Oct 29 2014 9:38 am EST

E- again, thanks for lending a voice of reason...My distaste for THORNTON keeps somehow overshadowing the same logic I keep rolling out, which is that the Rangers can't trade for him without compromising their roster...and that's taking for granted that the Sharks want to trade Thornton. I don't think that moment will ever come to pass...Now onto ALLEN...he's a LHS...and were I to make a guess, he's insurance in case AV sours on MOORE...they're very similar players, though I think Moore plays with a sharper edge...Allen, I guess I would say, seems to have more of a flare for offense. He's constantly jumping into the rush...he is, without a doubt, the best defenseman the Pack have...as for RHS...well...the Rangers are SOL. In the system, this is what we have: McILRATH - I think he's ready to test the NHL waters and if I were to assign him a future, I would say he's bottom pairing...especially with AV as coach...His defense is sound and he actually has a pretty good shot...his hitting is really why I think he'll make the NHL...but that said, I'm among those who don't think he'll ever live up to his first round selection...and certainly not his top-10 selection...but could be a valuable piece, just because when he's on the ice, other teams take notice...Tommy HUGHES - Nothing special. Stay-at-home defender...solid defensively. Might...and I stress MIGHT get an injury call-up one of these days...Ditto with Steve SPINELL - Hits hard, no offense, stay-at-home...Sam NOREAU - I like this kid and mentioned before I think he could pull it together to one day be an NHLer...but that said, he's in Greenville again...and even if he weren't...think poor man's McIlrath...then in the system, you have Calle ANDERSSON - All I've ever seen of him was at the WJCS a couple years ago and he looked pretty good. Had some offensive potential...had a good series that year and if i recall, netted a couple of goals...He's 20 and I thought he was coming to skate in Hartford...but is apparently in Switzerland right now...And if you want a barometer for how weak the Rangers are on the right side, I'd say he's probably the top offensive RHS prospect in the entire system....that's one of the reasons why I was a little confused why the Rangers didn't also try to go after Trevor VanRIEMSDYK, who an RHS now playing with the Hawks part-time...he'd easily be in the lineup right now...probably would be skating second pairing....oh well...at least we signed KOSTKA.

tdchi


Wed Oct 29 2014 9:34 am EST

E, way to elevate that discourse baby! Marc Staal, who I've never been the biggest fan of, is far from the Rangers most vexing issue. Finding a center, in-house or out, is their biggest question mark roster-wise. Even there, I dont think they're in a huge rush. Connor Allen is a lefty. You say speedy Top 6 forward and I say Hagelin. And you know everything and I know nothing. Right.(actually Buchnevich would be the bigger, speedy scoring forward. You can't have him either lol). I'll have to school you on DIRECT quotations later, like those from Sharks GM Doug Wilson, JT's brother/agent, and JT himself. Also ln how these things get laid out in the press, like the prominent blurb before the season in the Boston Globe on how Thorton wants to play here, and only here. That story, which quotes Doug McLean, who happens to be very close with a guy he coached named Rick Nash, is no accident. It took the St. Louis deal two years to come to fruition. But it was in the wind, as is this one. Im too busy this morning to deal with an hysterical Sharks fan worried about taking down the Thornton poster from his wall. LEO, hahaha. On Staal, they can't find anybody better, that's the bottom line IMO. Almost certainly not during the season, unless they wanted to start moving major pieces around. Best thing to do with Staal is get him signed to a reasonable market contract, something similar to Girardi's, which is where talks were headed according to latest reports. I'll say this for Staal, as much as his game leaves something to be desired sometimes; our defense looks far shakier when he's not in there.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:47 am EST

Strålman is leading Tampa in ice time and has 8 pts in 10 games. He would rank 2nd in scoring for us. The decision to let him go at the age of 27 could end up being questioned in hindsight....

Ola


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:45 am EST

I think most / all of us has been around for the entire ride with Marc Staal. From his first camp to today basically. Its a bit of a bumpy ride and I think the position we are in now is kind of unexpected. He was always that young D that showed potential to take the next step in several areas, but he hasn't been able to do it. With that said, Staal HAS been our No 1 D who has taken us to the POs and he has played really really well in the POs. You can't say that about many Ds in this league. I wonder how Staal like "feels" right no. AV want our Ds to take steps forwards with the puck, and its going so easy for McDonagh. I think McD is looking amazing out there. I have a hard time believing it, but McD is turning into a solid PMD by any standards. I mean, I was sold on that he could become awsome 2-ways 6-24 month's ago, but in June this year I never expected to see him as active with the puck as he is today. But for Marc Staal, so little is happening offensively. I still think he is very important for us, and that it aint all that easy to replace him, but I mean right now I see nothing from him indicating that he is becoming more than a 20-30 pts player in addition to not being much of a factor at all in the transition game.

Ola


Wed Oct 29 2014 7:15 am EST

from pl..."...“My timing’s a little bit off right now, maybe just a split-second in deciding when to get rid of it or where to go with it,” McDonagh said Tuesday afternoon. “That’s on me. I’ve got to get my mind caught up with my legs and my hands here.” Improved play from McDonagh alone isn’t going to resolve all of the Rangers’ problems. Several of his teammates, especially forward Martin St. Louis and defenseman Marc Staal, haven’t been good enough. "

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 5:17 am EST

E thanks for responding . Aside from the fantasy joe t would shore up the nyr center spots along with stepan. Brassard and d Moore or whomever. He's not like some would say washed up ala Rick Nash...;-).... It amazes me what some will say about star players almost like they are chopped liver. There are very few perfect hockey players as well as rosters... To dream the impossible dream along with intangibles.... Instead of jt the nyr have jt jitters... Life in the big apple...

stevielegs


Wed Oct 29 2014 1:07 am EST

Personally I don't think Staal has been awful so far this season but he isn't what we've seen him be in the past. I think a lot of it has to do with no regular partner and that the partners he's had are so drastically different that his game is constantly changing to adapt. I don't think Klein is a good pair for Staal, its been tried, its obviously what AV would prefer, but it just isn't working. I think being reunited with Girardi is going to help a lot, and Klein didn't look so out of place with McDonaugh, which is ironic, given that its a promotion. //// Ive said it here before- Stralman was a good pair for Staal but only after the midway point of last season and never before during his tenure as a Ranger. The Staal/Stralman pairing was also notably un-offensive and that cuts your forwards off and stalls your transition which a team this fast just can afford. Someone has to be the outlet pass consistently for each pair and Stralman wasn't doing that. Of course, he now looks great in TB, but we don't know if that would have happened here, its been 10 games, and so far its all at ES. I suspect that once Boyle comes back the pairings will be re-juggled and hopefully Staal can click with Boyle because it doesn't make a lot of sense to have a McD/Boyle pairing, or try Staal/Klein Part III, or have Moore/Boyle even though Moore is developing into a speedy hitting matching (probably thanks to Ulf). Until then, I think Hunwick/Kostka will be an ok third pair and Id keep Staal/Girardi and McD/Klein together. Allen is a lefty and I wouldn't bring him up to play with anyone less solid than Staal or Girardi. McIlrath I think would be a good pair for Moore, but thats not what we have right now. Maybe with Hunwick. Ultimately, I think Klein is going to get moved once we find a righty who offers us more flexibility. 3 mill/season is too much for someone who cant be counted on to play on the second pair when need be.

Messier11


Wed Oct 29 2014 12:35 am EST

Messier: I am back to the most vexing issue with the New York Rangers right now. That is Staal. We see the defense struggling mightily right now. The strength of the unit has always been its rock solid mobility and ability to advance the puck. So where is it? Staal is being exposed, Boyle was supposed to replace Stralman, which was a tall order to begin with and of course now he's gone. So now Moore is gone for a bit. So, a weak Staal who wants a kings ransom who must either be signed or traded, sitting with a McD, a severely banged up Girardi and a Kevin Klein to hold the fort with a tweener in Hunwick and maybe or dreadful to think the return of Kostka. This is the single most pressing issue that needs to be answered. Staal's story has a little time to be sorted out. But who can comment on whether Allen is a RHS? My guess he is next in line after a fairly poor training camp. So while some are obsessed about the center position (one of which may sort itself out) and I think it's worthwhile to note that I think Marty St. Louis is completely out of sorts as a weapon there the defense is the strength of this team and it wasn't strong and now it's losing another of its weapons for multiple games. Ideas of where AV is going with this because right now is where the discussion is. Not shopping for the next savior who isn't available, can't afford, and a pie in the sky fantasy.

E


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:45 pm EST

E- so change the subject

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:31 pm EST

BOB: I would love to come back in and contribute regularly but I don't really see it. But I don't mind occasionally asserting in some stuff. I have been checking in on this SJ obsession for a while pointing out the whys that make this almost completely not viable. Its not really registering with some. And if you point it out its like groundhog day. Just rinse and repeat. There are far more topics in currrjt

E


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:22 pm EST

SJ would most likely be in the market for a top-6 right wing. Wingels is best served on the third line and is under-skilled to be playing with Hertl and Couture. What they would like to see is a speedy winger with size. They wouldn't be looking to get smaller up front. So, who do you have for them? Nash? Good fit but too expensive. MSL? Not going anywhere. MZA? Too small for a team looking to add size and speed to the wing. Now what? Wanna give them a defenseman? Great. RHS with offensive ability is what they would be looking for. So give up a Girardi who can score since right now thats what they need. I guess thats a problem. The NYR don't have one. And this is what I've explained multiple times and this is just one of several reasons this thing just don't work. If SJ is gonna part with a 70-point producer which is superior to any NYR, they are gonna want a strong prospect. So look to Brady Skjei. And then look to a roster right wing who can skate and has size. Then add a 1-rounder. Thats a roster player, a prospect, and a pick. The NYR do not have the roster player that they need, and they don't have the defenseman either. In fact, the NYR need the same exact player. And then now that we've established this fact I suppose we can now address the 70-points you just took of their roster. So... My friend... What now???

E


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:08 pm EST

So E....bet you are happy you popped back in huh?

Bob


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:00 pm EST

LEO: Must have not gotten the memo that I'm as clueless as everyone else. Just I'm self aware...

E


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:50 pm EST

Well he's clearly no longer mistaking you for Wall moderator :)

LeoS


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:38 pm EST

E your such a Sharks svengali, tell us what they want. I said ultimately Hags. But tell us, and start with them wanting Thorton gone. Ive been trying since yesterday to politely discuss, and youre making snide remarks. Said 100X Im not even sure Id want JT. That didnt register or youre intent on doing battle. Fine. When youre done crying over JT Ex Shark, you can suck your elevated discussion from my ass.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:16 pm EST

Brassard, Klein retained salary. never say never.

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:07 pm EST

Mf: well there is no way Eric Staal's contract would fit within our cap so thank goodness for that. LOL I doubt that is a trade that would happen regardless. If Marc stays here I could see Eric signing as an over the hill UFA in two years, though. Not that I want that to happen.

NYStranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:02 pm EST

E: all for raising level of dialogue, but this is actually a pretty good week, comparatively

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:52 pm EST

mf: Hodgson will likely cost something like Hayes and Duclair...at least. Hell the Sabres are asking for a first and a legit prospect for pending UFA Chris Stewart who hasn't scored an NHL goal since last freakin' January.

RF4L


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:29 pm EST

RR, has it all figured out. How to get the player he wants. A borderline HOF, perennial 70 or so point center because he is unhappy and Google says so. But all with no concept for what the Sharks have, what they need, and what they covet. No idea about the philosophy of the coach, and the style of play. Just throw this name, that name and a few picks and all is good. Where is the IQ here? My suggestion for the wall... Work to elevate the dialogue and leave this nonsense for a HF board. This is just silly stuff.

E


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:44 pm EST

mf.........a jest's prosperity......

kitchen1


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:17 pm EST

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11781322/gordie-howe-serious-stroke-recovering-daughter-home

mf


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:08 pm EST

NYStranger: http://capgeek.com/hurricanes/

mf


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:07 pm EST

"Talent has no age." - Alaine Vigneault. http://nypost.com/2014/10/28/anthony-duclair-earning-bigger-role-with-rangers/

JFC31


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:47 pm EST

I would rather send MARC Staal out rather than bring ERIC Staal in. Their respective best years are behind them and their big paydays are still ahead. At least in Marc's case...not sure about how many years are left on Erics contract or how big an extension he would ask. A couple of years ago a center like Eric may have been the missing piece. Not sure he has much top level hockey left. And I would think it would mean Marc stays and I don't like the idea of giving him the contract that has been rumored. Not with what I am seeing so far this year and with his injury history. He no longer is our D man with the biggest upside. What we see is what we get with Marc Staal. It is kind of sad.

NYStranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:21 pm EST

This Cody Hodgson kid whose name was first tossed out here approx 2 weeks ago byTD is intriguing.. Using last years success without that prototypical 1st line center as a comparison; we can theoretically go deep into the playoffs with a comparable center to fill Brad Richards void on one of the 3 lines... IMHO Hodgson is worth a close look: He turns 25 in February, is a RHS, 1st round 10th overall, and has 4 years remaining after this one at $4.25mill p/y. His contract is manageable in the event he needs to be moved..The kid produced big in the OHL but his ppg at the AHL & NHL levels have been halved....... So; would Buffalo be willing to move him? What would the cost be?

mf


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:19 pm EST

I also just had Ollie Jokinnen's giant alien head pop into my brain LOL. I always kind of liked Ollie anyways. But again, that's stop-gap/emergency basis and who knows!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:11 pm EST

Mike Fisher's a guy could be a stop-gap type. Idk Nashville's plans for him but a noticeable player whenever I see their games. And if it gets Carrie Underwood to the games, great! Who knows where this goes. Sometime somewhere during the year, a pretty good player always asks out, or teams want to cut ties and guys come available. No telling right now. Eric Staal (just activated) scares me. What Sather thinks of Eric Staal scares me.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 6:56 pm EST

among available Cs who have exhibited first-line output in the past three seasons, Joe Thornton or Eric Staal

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 6:53 pm EST

Well TD, maybe we're agreeing there won't be a deal. Just said I could see it coming down to Hagelin, NO WAY should the Rangers do that. Everything else you're throwing out there is nuts my friend lol. Staal? Uh, no! SJ would acknowledge it as a 35 yr old 'dump' and reflect it in the price accordingly or I'd hang up. Pretty sure Sather will too. And to sell the Rangers prospects short, man we've gotta STACKED MFing roster. VERY few teams in the league wouldn't have both Miller & McIlrath taking big league reps.all this and Hayes might end up holding down a center job. In which case we're better up the middle than last year imo (though I still wish we had Boyle as a security blanket).

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 6:36 pm EST

RR - I think you're really selling the Sharks short man...look, my position on MILLER is well-documented...and I'm also really high on McILRATH...that said, they're no more first-round picks than the Big Shrimper is a first-overall pick...they're prospects...and according to the Rangers...not ones capable of delivering in the NHL even on an emergency basis...And MALONE...man, you've got to see where I'm shaking my head on that...this is a guy who is getting a second chance...he's not even a half-year away from a DWI-Drugs arrest! And that's before you consider what he's done over his past 80-plus games...again, back to my point on Thornton: You've got to give to get. He ain't coming without a pound of flesh...actually many pounds of flesh...going the other way...If STEPAN and KREIDER are non-starters, then there you go. I mean, I suppose you could offer them STAAL and the the rest of what you threw down and MAYBE the Sharks would bat an eye...even then, the Rangers have to replace one of their top four defenseman...and your deal has one of those replacements going the other way...like I said: Any team in their position is gonna want a guy who can contribute NOW and improve their team better than it is with Thornton in the lineup. You come up with a trade that does that AND makes the Rangers a better club and I'll change my tune...and I don't believe the Sharks are in any panic to get Thornton's salary off the books. They got cap space. They got most of their young players signed...they can do whatever they want with him.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 6:23 pm EST

Truthfully, the guy this (so far imaginary, least per any reports) negotiation would come down to in my mind would be Carl Hagelin. He's a guy any team would want, can do a number of things, reasonable contract. TD, if you're arguing SJ demands proven NHLer in the deal, there's the guy I'd see them zeroing in on. And I don't see any way Sather moves him for Thornton. He's too good a plumber for us, a big part of the group. Maybe that's where it falls apart, or where SJ lessens their demands and accepts reality. But the notion of Stepan or KREIDER?Please. I would guess not a single NHL GM would even waste their breath asking. That said, I wouldn't put it past Sather to do something stupid (speaking of Stepan). MF, those guys that always seem to be out there for a no. 2 pick, nothing special, the Tim Connoly types (years ago) that can always be had for a song. I guess Cody Hodson is one this year, Sam Gagner, those 35-50 pt types. We don't need that. We want the big 75 pt guy if we can get him. And I'm not even 100% sold on Thornton myself. But TD won't let'r go!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 5:48 pm EST

RR: I'm curious, which other centers could SJ chase with those assets? Because we already have those assets to chase "said" center/s.

mf


Tue Oct 28 2014 5:32 pm EST

TD, if you want to play word games, I outlined a deal that includes two No. 1 picks, a 6-4/225 LW thats scored 30 twice and 20 goals+ 6 times and a draft pick and we're taking $15M off their books for a 35yr old 11 goal scorer they just stripped of the captaincy. Sounds a little different, no? As I said SJ can go elsewhere with those assets if they must add a center now.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 5:25 pm EST

Couture and Pavelski are natural centers and are both currently outscoring Thornton. I think they'd survive.

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 5:22 pm EST

RR - Just taking your line of thinking now...the Sharks...now sixth in the tough-ass western conference...and with a very good chance of going back to the playoffs...are going to trade their top center for one that is in the AHL and can't make/stay the Rangers even though they're short two centers...a defenseman who can't get a call-up even though the Rangers are short one and shortly-to-be two starting defensemen(or in SKJEI's case, won't be available until April), a guy on a two-way contract who wasn't sure he'd even land a job in the NHL and a pick? How, exactly, does that help the Sharks? See, this is what E was saying the other day: Even if you take for granted the Rangers WANT Thornton and that the Sharks WANT to trade him...These two teams are hardly a good match for one another. Sure, they each have something the other one could use...but under MY scenario, the Rangers end up weaker...and under YOUR scenario, the Sharks in up weaker...Hell, under your scenario, I don't think there's a GM or armchair GM out there who wouldn't pull the trigger on that deal. I like MILLER and I dislike Thornton...and even I'd take that swap if it were on the table...no...if you're going to catch the Big Shrimp, then you've got to pony up the goods. That DOES mean STEPAN or KREIDER...or some 20-something player who is in the NHL making solid contributions. It's simple logic.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 4:21 pm EST

The real problem with the Kreider play is you can see the guy - who was slowing down and anticipating being hit - just BOUNCE off Kreider once there's contact, like you can hear the ref say, he was 9 feet from the boards. 9 feet! LOL. CK is just badass, a 230-lb locomotive and he's flyin'! Dont' get in his way!!! I actually like both Kreider & Moore hits a good deal. And the more I watch'em, the more I like'm haha. We've got some big young dudes, theyre not trying to hurt anybody, but they're playing hard. Moore kinda helped slow Minnesota down. They were running around in our zone until finally, someone stood up! Bravo.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 4:09 pm EST

Kitchen1: is this you & your "Prom Date?" :-> ....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV_9pn7MGUo

mf


Tue Oct 28 2014 4:03 pm EST

That's the way I saw it - Kreider making contact to the side of the net with somehow the defender "launching" from there into the boards. Didn't see it as a dirty hit at all - though the result of the hit was extremely dangerous nonetheless.

Ranger47


Tue Oct 28 2014 4:03 pm EST

moof you should take a swing at the trade question. that's right in your wheelhouse. maybe a 3-4 way deal ;-)

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 3:53 pm EST

Chris Kreider found out he would not face supplementary discipline after receiving a five-minute boarding major and game misconduct for his late first period hit on Minnesota's Jonas Brodin Monday night. Kreider admitted he was "a little surprised" to be ejected from the game for the check which was delivered at full speed, but far away from the boards — to the side of the Wild's net actually. "That penalty happened in the first period so I pretty much missed the entire game — that's discipline enough," offered Kreider, who also was quick to point out that he was thankful Brodin was not injured on the play.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 3:38 pm EST

TD, what would Joe Thorton cost? I've said it many times. If you mean a specific guess, I'll give you one and my reasons. I think obviously for SJ they wouldn't want to lose too much now, but gaining young NHL-ready or near NHL ready talent would be important. Getting JT's $20M off their books, in whole or in part, could be important as well. You can't offer up shit for their No. 1, whether they dislike the guy or not. BUT, they are the team in a compromised position IMO, an opinion obviously you don't share LOL. I think they want him gone but are restricted by his age, contract & NMC. Could we give'm back a young center with some size & upside, an NHL vet who can score, and a promising D prospect? Maybe a pick? Is that enough, if they eat some $? According to past deals, for younger, better players, the answer is yes. That'd be 4 pieces. None of them CRAP. Along those lines, and as I said, I think trading Malone would be a mistake. A MAJOR one. People can say he has no value, Id argue that another day. He's a 6-time 20-goal man with size and has been playing well IMO. So, to get to it, I think if you offer the San Jose Sharks their pick of a young center (Miller or Lindberg; I doubt NYR makes Hayes available; maybe), a defensive prospect (one of Allen, Skjei or McIlrath) Malone and a mid-round pick, you get Joe Thorton. I think that's quite generous, maybe too much, and I don't see how they get more being boxed in by his NMC. As I also said, I think INSTEAD, Marty St Louis is the guy we should look to unload, almost straight up, future HHOF for HHOF, but that almost definitely doesn't happen.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 3:18 pm EST

RR - So what do you think he'd cost? Keep in mind, the Sharks are trading their number one center. Shoot:

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 2:59 pm EST

Wow, good stuff R47. I'm guessing that was a good stock tip before the news broke! There was also supposedly this chair that spins somehow and worked wonders for Sid Crosby. Never heard if Nash used it but would think Rangers spare no expense.Actually had read up on it a bit months back, biggest problem was that company couldn't produce them fast enough and there were only a handful.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 1:27 pm EST

Would hope if there is a blood test for concusions that Otis at least used as part of the protocol. Maybe to make the NHLPA happy it can be the teams only who see results and they can release the readings after they edit them or something like that.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 1:12 pm EST

Not sure if anyone else noticed on the NBC news yesterday, but Abbott in Chicago has a new handheld device which is able to analyze blood immediately and detect (or rule out) concussions. It was mentioned that sports teams from kids through pro are expected to use it for on-the-spot diagnosis. Seems ideal for use in the NHL during games. BTW, it also identifies lots of other diseases/problems (not just concussions). Curiious if the players association will favor or fight against this type of blood test during a game....

Ranger47


Tue Oct 28 2014 1:06 pm EST

Its a FARCE. Dave Maloney is half-drunk most of the time. I cant hit mute fast enough. We bloodied too many of their guys. We really did F them up LOL. Most damage we've inflicted on an opponent in a long time. Except for the PIMS, I effin luv it!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 1:02 pm EST

Of course they make no sense. Prust's point of contact was Step's jaw, which seems to be connected to the head. 2 games for "interference." Moore gets the in-person? Once again, the double or triple standard.

Bob


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:57 pm EST

That means the Ref on the ice, the trailing ref, saw Moore ATTEMPTING to hit Haulas head, TRYING to injure him, and Haula did NOTHING to put himself in the position to get hit. AND that the head was the PRINCIPLE point of contact AND targeted. Since the replay shows the Arm down, and the shoulder hitting the chest...the initial criteria for the penalty wasn't met, and even if they though it was, how was it a game? How did they see intent there, with Moore doing ALL the things (stick down, elbow down, shoulder lowered) to try to keep it clean.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:54 pm EST

Rule 48 - Illegal Check to the Head 48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered. 48.2 Minor Penalty - For violation of this rule, a minor penalty shall be assessed. 48.3 Major Penalty - There is no provision for a major penalty for this rule. 48.4 Game Misconduct Penalty – There is no provision for a major penalty for this rule. 48.5 Match Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a match penalty if, in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent with an illegal check to the head. If deemed appropriate, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:50 pm EST

Vic, like the NHL got the Prust hit right? Gallagher on Brassard? The thousand that came before it? Whatever. Theyre gonna hang Moore, but I liked that hit. A lot. Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:49 pm EST

Vic: If they suspend him for contact to the head, that the NHL is lost. Totally and completely. They are saying in person, NOT for defenseless or anything like that, but for hit to the head. so even if you are right, they are not saying he did that. Essentially, for what they are calling the hearing for, they are saying "if he didn't hit the head it would have been clean"

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:47 pm EST

You can hit from any direction. Theres no such thing as blind side being illegal to my knowledge. I agree with you Wild. Im not nobody imwo lol.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:47 pm EST

WILDCARD: I give up. It isn't really a me against you thing anyway. It is you against the NHL and just about everyone who saw and has an opinion on it. You've analyzed it with your criteria and have determined the hit was clean. The NHL has analyzed it with their criteria and have determined that it isn't just worthy of a phone call review but an in person review with a penalty of 6 or more games. They just did that after having all morning to review it again and again from every angle with both slow motion and regular speed. I suggest you contact them and explain to them why they are wrong.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:46 pm EST

Another thing that pisses me off about the NHL...the Ref who was in good position to see the contact didn't make the call...it was the ref who could only see Haulas back, how the hell could he see the point of contact? Another reason I say, there need to be many cameras around rinks, not for broadcast, but for officials. Before a player is ejected they should take a minute or two and look t the replay in suer slow mo, from multiple angle. High def imagery zoomed in in slow mo would tell the story black or white. Refs can call a penalty for hitting a defenseless player, they didn't, they called a hit to the head. The NHL can hold hearing for hitting a defenseless player, they didn't they called a hit to the head hearing. It seems no one has watched the angles everyone else has. If it is a blindside hit ( and I say BS to that) than hold hearing for that, NOT a hit to the head that didn't happen.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:41 pm EST

Someone on the broadcast said it was a vicious elbow to the head as well. Those guys are getting old and senile, all of them. When you watch the replay Moore hit him like guy get hit every game. Sorry. If you can blindside a guy from 6 feet in front of him, than they may as well outlaw body checking. The NHL has NOT used blindside for hits like this before. And All I see via twitter, from many, Rangers fans/media or not, that the hit is not nearly as bad in slow mo, and from the other angle as they originally thought last night...and most were expecting a phone hearing and a short suspension if anything.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:38 pm EST

VIC: NHL says it a HIT TO THE HEAD, that is, just Illegal hit to the head. Blind side doesn't come into play.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:37 pm EST

Vic: SO if a guy isn't paying attention you can't hit him? Just to be clear, because thats NOT what the NHL says. FACT is that Moore was ahead of him on the ice, and not just by a tiny bit. If haul didn't see him coming we should expect to see many more games that he leaves early due to be blown up on a hit, because he is blind

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:34 pm EST

WILDCARD: You are describing the same thing I did. MOORE is the left defender and came from HAULA's right. HAULA is a left handed shot so he was not looking or facing the direction that MOORE is coming from until after the shot in his follow-through. What you don't seem to want to accept is that hitting him at that instant is what is illegal when you are coming from across the ice. He has KLEIN and the goal in front of him. That is where his focus is. If KLEIN stands him up and hits him there is no problem. But, the hit came from the side from the other defender. That is considered blind side whether you want to accept that or not. You can say whatever you like about the hit. You can justify it in any way you want. The NHL doesn't agree with you. They see that hit as an illegal hit now. I've had the NHL radio on all day so far. There is not a single person who has commented on the hit (and many were Ranger fans) that agrees with you. Universally every former player and analyst connected with the NHL sees that as an illegal hit this morning. When the hit was made DAVE MALONEY immediately called it a blind side hit to a defenseless player. I'm not trying to be a dick to you or anything. What I am saying is that just about everyone sees that hit as illegal except you. I'm try to tell you that you need to update your definition of what is illegal and what isn't because that hit is in today's NHL.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:18 pm EST

It's b.s. Wild. He shortened the backstroke last second cause he knew he'd get wallopped. AND no contact with head. Watch Moore get 3 times as many games as Prust. Mickey Mouse time.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:11 pm EST

should have read "moore was NOT hidden in the crowd"

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:10 pm EST

Love to know what the NHL does in house. I mean, NO WAY this hit is worth even 5 games. But they hold the option for MORE than that? The video shows if IF the head was hit it was incidental. Don't give me crap about blindside, the NHL announced the hearing is for an Illegal hit to the head. SO they are saying hr hit the guys head illegally. Don't you need to hit it at all to be illegal?

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:05 pm EST

Vic: Moore came from the RIGHT side of the ice. Easily seen by a left handed shooter who body rotated so his chest was facing the right side of the ice. And BLIND side by the NHL means a player can not see the player coming. Starting out 6 plus feet in front of a guy, I don't care how far to the left or right, and STILL being 3-4 feet in front of him seconds before the impact is not blind. if thats the case 99% of NHL hits are blind side hits. It is VERY rare to be directly in front of a guy and hit him. The hit Moore made is made dozens of times per game, its just the puck carrier is usually smart enough to KNOW he will get hit, Moore was hidden in the crowd, there was none in his way, Haula should have known he was coming, Moore was moving his direction before he even had the puck. The entire world saw the hit coming...and Haula did to I am sure of it, and if he didn't, why is that Moores fault? There was nothing blocking the guys view

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 12:02 pm EST

Another thing, take my word for it, like the 13'-15' drafts will not even remotely be as good as the 04-06' drafts. All good players in those drafts instantly could make a NHL undergoing a huge transition to the game wtihout the redline offside and crack down on clutching and grabbing (many vets didn't coupe well with going a year without hockey etc). I've seen a lot of the top prospects from teh 2012-2014 drafts lately, so many are just not that impressive and are going to have a bit of hard time establishing themselves. A generational talent and other good players can always make it (like MacKinnon), but if you look at the mass I think the last 3 drafts will compare pretty well to the 1997-2003 drafts. About a handful of good players in each 1st round and the rest is more or less crap.

Ola


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:58 am EST

my crystal balls say they go after joe t, and the reason tdchi doesn't want him is jitters probably goes the other way......it's called wall opinions, not facts.....I'm not sure the last time I've read so much obsession over a player....is that bus a double decker you're driving? any passengers? ;-) ....the ones up top think there's no driver......slight exaggeration.....some sarcasm.....someday this will all be audio so I don't have to 1 finger type, and you get to hear my voice.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:55 am EST

Vic- Interesting stat, I would however want a bit more background data before reading too much into that. I picked a random year at NHL.com (00'-01), only half of the top 10 was 1st round picks and and none was top 5 (Forsberg was 6 and Palffy 8 overall). OTOH, that is a bit of a tricky time too since Jagr, Bure and Kovalev are East block players. I am not saying that stat isn't showing something, but it is a FACT that the drafts around and after the 05' lockout has payd off extremely well, for number of reasons. To start with natrually they had a lot of talent, BUT there was also a ton of openings in the league as many older trap vets couldn't adjust to the new game without the redline offside rule and the cut down on clutching and grabbing. 10 years or so after those drafts, its maybe not that strange that we see a lot of high draft picks doing well in the league.

Ola


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:50 am EST

gross ..."...Initially, it was believed the hearing would be via telephone, which would have meant a suspension of five games or fewer. However, it’s not most likely Moore faces an in-person hearing, most likely on Wednesday, that could be a suspension of six games or more. So, yes, a suspension is a virtual certainty here. No time or date has yet been finalized for the hearing. "

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:46 am EST

TD, how the hell do you KNOW what it's going to cost? Not by any comparative measure to any of the major deals the past 6-7 years. You blatantly disregard the age factor in comparing to Nash deal. That wont fly. And since the new CBA, money gets factored in, and as its absorbed, the talent quotient going the other goes up or down, so there are very few comps. But any one of about 10 big deals, from Kovalchuk to Iginla to Sequin to IDK, ANYONE, none of them see talent the likes of Chris Kreider AND Derek Stepan going the other way. That is, respectfully, madness. And if that somehow is the price, Sather wont do it. So you'll be happy (but we'll be missing a center and probably wont win Cup :)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:37 am EST

Vic, I dont dispute with you nowadays that is considered a bad hit. BUT, by a fraction. You can see plain as day the guy knows he's about to get hit and tries to get the shot off first and defend himself last minute by raising his arms. That's not John Moore's problem. He's a defenseman, the guy is shooting at our net. He's doing his job, zealously LOL, imo. An inch here or there, it is a great hit.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:33 am EST

RR - It's not a 'scare tactic' it's just what he's going to cost. But no matter. I stand by what I claim, which is that Thornton's not on the market, that if he is, he'll cost one, if not two top-nine forwards-plus and that the Sharks aren't paying squat off his salary to move him...And if it were up to me, you're right. I'd move him tomorrow because he's a loser. And that's it. I'm done talking about this. Jeeze...never heard so much chatter about a toolbox who will never skate on the Rangers roster.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:31 am EST

TD, that 'soft' quote was obvious and funny as fuck. Read between the lines a little, jeez (and Im pretty sure we've been over this one too). "The Rangers are soft;I am not soft. Therefore, acquire me and you will not be soft."Simple. It was Thorton waving his hand and saying "Yoohoo, Im over here. get me the F outta this place!". But what was riotuously funny was Tortorella, who really had NO CLUE what Thorton was saying or why. That Ranger team was tough, as rough as any we've had in a long time. So it made little sense and Torts was BAFFLED. And his answer, "tell Joe Thorton to shut his yap" was effing PRICELESS!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:30 am EST

Just heard an interesting stat on NHL radio. There are 14 players with 11 or more points in the season so far. Half of them were drafted either 1st or 2nd overall. Of the rest all of them were first round picks except 1. TOFFOLI is that exception and he was a 2nd round pick.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:27 am EST

WILDCARD: I'm sorry but you need to update your definition of what a blind side hit is. If you don't know this you should. Anytime a defender comes from the other side and drills a player in the act of playing the puck (or just after) it is considered a blind side hit in today's NHL. On that play HAULA is a left handed shot who released the puck. He was hit from the Rangers left side defender who cut across to deliver the hit to a guy who was in the act of shooting. Those are the NHL's definitions of an illegal hit. I'm sorry if you guys (WILDCARD and RR) don't like it but that is the reality. Again 15 years ago or so MOORE's hit would be a considered a great play by him. It would be shown on highlight reels and taught to young players as an example of how to hit a guy. Not anymore. Not today.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:27 am EST

TD, God man. I wont keep going over this either, we have our respective positions, everyone's sick of it Im sure by now. But not trading JT due to SJ's chemsitry? Isnt the whole thing they think Thorton is the problem? Couldve sworn I heard someone say he's the reason they've choked, cause he's a LOSER!!! Cant play both sides. I believe they want him OUT and are awaiting the right deal. They can pick up a center in another deal, get quality young players and get JT's $ off their books. Or most of it. Kreider & Stepan? Not worthy of a response. Scare tactic by you, again. WILD, yeah, thought I remembered something questionable about that making its way into print. Like you said, gotta be careful. But maybe his (reporter) friend asked if it was ok and JT wanted to be raw, get himself ushered out of SJ LOL. IDK. I think he was defending Hertl a bit myself. But if that is some groovy SJ vibe he'd better leave it there.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:25 am EST

And one last note: The convo I was talking about with Thornton was when he called the Rangers soft, not that stupid nonsense the media jumped on after Hertl's debut...I could give a toss about that...the quote was that he thought the Rangers were a "soft" team and he delivered it right after they beat the piss out of the Sharks in 2011...and it was one of the very few times I agreed 100 percent with John Tortorella. From the Daily News: To recap, Thornton said after the game that the Rangers were "probably the softest team we played on this road trip." Thornton conceded Tuesday later that "softest" was not a good word choice. Meanwhile Rangers coach John Tortorella fired off a return blast saying: "Joe's a heck of a player, but here's a player popping off about our team, and Joe hasn't won a god d-- thing in this league." Tortorella added: "He could go down as a player, being one of the better players in our league never to win anything. So what he should do is just shut up. It was uncalled for, it was classless, and I've never had it happen like that before."

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:16 am EST

Rabid: That quote was printed by a guy who overheard and recored it...it was said to a different reporter who was just chatting. Some reported that is friends with JT as well as covers him, was more like a conversation between guys, not a statement being made to the press pool. Still, need to be carful what you say, there is always a camera around in todays world.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:15 am EST

why wasn't joe t given a suspension like avery got or would have if he said that? ...the nhl applies rules as it sees fit, not equally....as do their refs.....screw pc hockey......guess joe likes to play with it.....sounds like nyc is a good place for him ...lol....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:14 am EST

RR/Wildcard - Man, I think we're at the 'dead horse' part of this THORNTON flap...but I stand by my reasons why a deal will is very unlikely to never happen, or IMO, never happen. RR - You say getting Thornton 'is all about now'...well use some logic here: Unless the Sharks some how tank, why would they want to interrupt their chemistry mid-stream? If there was a time to deal this guy, it was when they stripped his C. Barring that, before camp. Now you've got the guy playing your first-line center role...Not so simple just to move him and not skip a beat UNLESS the guy(s) you're getting back for him are of equal or greater value...so right there, forget this dream about picks and prospects for Thornton...Not going to happen...it's going to be a roster player...and I don't me Chris MUELLER...Actually, KREIDER would probably be the first guy they asked for...So then ask yourself: Are the Rangers plus Thornton and minus one of their top-six a team that will win the cup? My answer there is NO...And the cash too...would it happen? Sure, if the Sharks REALLY soured on Thornton...but there's zero...zilch...zippo indication they're sour...he's playing 20 minutes a game for Christ's sake...whatever floated out onto social media last summer is obviously not that big of a deal because he's still playing a huge role with the Sharks...and on his age...sorry, but at 35 going in 36...Jumbo Shrimp is on borrowed time. JAGR he is not. And like I said, when he falls over the edge, it's going to be quick...His production HAS slipped in recent years..guy went from landing 20-plus goals now down to around 10 per year...lastly, all this business is made about a NMC...well, that sure as hell didn't stop the Jackets and the Lightning from maximizing their return on NASH and MSL...say what you will about those players' contributions to this club, but BOTH the Jackets and Lightning AT LEAST got the value of what they traded back in return...I can make a very strong argument that the Rangers got fleeced on both deals, considering all the picks and prospects that went the other way...So the stripping of the C and Thornton's NMC means the Rangers are going to get him for MILLER and a second rounder? Bong on, guys...because that's a drug-induced pipe dream...More like Kreider, Miller, Skjei and a second. Or Kreider, Stepan and a second. And if you think Shrimper is worth that, then I don't know what to say.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:10 am EST

Another thing...Haula's (SP ill get it right eventually) head goes FORWARD as the hit begins, THAN goes back.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:08 am EST

Few things; just watched both hits. Krieder's, yeah, I mean no, can't do that. Launched the guy cause he 3 times stronger than most humans. The guy was starting to brace, Kreider was just on top of him quicker and Boom. Moore? I actually LIKED Moore's hit. he's trying to be aggressive, guy is shooting, middle of the ice. His arms are just starting to come up, he knew he was in the danger zone and Moore delivered the danger.Tough shit. if not for his blitzing of Weise last year, its a 1st offense and not even suspension worthy. A few inches either way and it's a tremendous, LEGAL hit. Good for you Moore, keep it up. Wyshnewski is a foul-mouthed, know-nothing asshat, F him. Joe Thorton, just to try and bring some closure. Here's the quote. Reads as if he says it to his teammates as reporters are in area after having questioned Marleau. No biggie, but an obnoxious answer. (Hearing a question to Marleau about Hertl and whether he was showboating, Thornton said: “Shut up, have you ever played the game?” When the press turned his way, he then added: “I’d have my cock out if I scored four goals. I’d have my cock out, stroking it.”) Same time, JT was standing up for a young guy on his team. Again, no biggie, but if he ever landed here he shouldnt slip with anything like that, lest the Rangers' PR guys would be in a full-blown tizzy. Remarks like that, in addition to him having completely SUCKED, are what hastened Scott Gomez' exit. I can remember every interview he'd call someone a punk or make some other idiotic remarks only funny in the outer reaches of Alaska, and the Rangers hate that shit. Now what's interesting about Thorton maybe coming here is last night, Nash messed with Zuc & Brass in a major way. AV said they took over, he hadnt seen a line dominate like that in a long time. Again, just one game, but with Step back, things could actually fall in place nicely, EXCEPT, who is our 3rd center. 1st/2nd/3rd, it doesnt matter the classification. But who is the guy? If he aint here we have to bring him in. And there's not a lot to choose from on the market, at least not right now. Nash-Brassard-Zuc, Kreider-Stepan-St Louis, Hagelin-_____-DuClair, Glass-Moore-Malone.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:07 am EST

td: There is no "might have been" about it. Images CLEARLY show it was NOT the head. His arm was down (so the "vicious elbow to the head" crack froth e broadcast was way off base) his shoulder didn't make contact with the head and their hips connected. Also Moore had his hitting shoulder down lower that the non hitting and didn't elevate until after contact. If there was any head contact it was unavoidable. There is head contact in probably half the big hits, its a contact sport, heads get hit during a hit. The NHL until now has been clear that if the head is hit in conjunction with the rest of the body its not anything worse than if the head wasn't hit.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:04 am EST

Vic: On the Kreider hit, I don't think Kreider expected the guy to launch like that. In fact, it was so crazy I almost wonder if the guy was starting to make a move to lean in for the puck, like was he starting to shift his weight more forward to chip the puck right at Kreider shoved. That would account for the acceleration into the boards. Seems even Kreider isn't that strong...maybe he is, but it just seems like the guy was a rag doll.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:00 am EST

He was NOT from the blind side! First of all he was 5-6 feet deeper in the zone when he started to make his way in for the hit. AFTER the shot is taken he is still 3-4 feet deeper, Add to that Haula (sp) shooting makes his body turn towards Moore (left hand shot body rotated to open up to the right) and Moore got him almost directly in the front of his chest. CAN NOT be blindsided in the chest...Last season he blind sided a guy, This was from the front, there are hits like this one all the time, for some reason refs call a penalty like 1 out of 5, and only a handful of the penalties called are more than 2 min. But in this case they reacted to the guy crumpling to the ice...called a 5, and now the NHL will ignore the video, ignore precedence and have a hearing and probably give him a few games for a head shot...

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 11:00 am EST

WILDCARD: One other thing about the KREIDER hit. I do not think it was KREIDER's intention to hurt the guy. I think he was going in to finish his check when the defender put on the brakes. That would not have happened 20 years ago. Guys never used to put themselves in a position to be drilled like that. Back in the day that guy would have swooped behind the net taking the puck with him. He wouldn't have pulled up and turned his back to KREIDER. All that said, KREIDER has to be aware of the situation and has to pull up more then he did there. And yes, he could have wrapped him up and taking him to the boards and let go. It happens all the time in those situations and they almost never call it. They call it if you keep your arms on the guy and continue to try to play him or the puck. And, I would much rather see him take a 2 minute holding call there then getting a 5 minute major and game misconduct.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:55 am EST

Greg Wyshynski @wyshynski If you want to defend Moore's Cooke/Savard-like hit w/ "BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CHEST," go ahead. Means you're a terrible human, but OK.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:54 am EST

WILDCARD: You are missing the point entirely. It doesn't matter if he got him with the elbow or not. What matters is that MOORE cut across from the Wild player's blind side and drilled him when he was in a defenseless position. That is what they are trying to get out of the game. STEVIE: As a matter of fact I get more upset when it happens to the Rangers. What I am doing here is being honest about the fact that the Rangers committed the "crimes" last night. I am trying not to be a homer on this and am looking at it from a dispassionate viewpoint. Also the guy who took the shot from MOORE did not return. RF73: Yes that was one of the funny but not funny side notes of that incident. MODANO had a rough night for sure.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:54 am EST

stevielegs - HAULA did not return. Everyone else did. The thing with MOORE'S hit which makes it suspendable is that 1. He came literally out of nowhere. No way Haula even saw him coming...and 2. He has a history. Disagree on this characterization that he goes games on end without hitting. The guy is pretty physical. That and his mobility are the only two reasons I can find to keep him in the lineup.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:53 am EST

Stevie: The guy Moore hit did not....at least that I know of. He sat on the bench a bit than went to the room.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:50 am EST

Watch the hit Moore laid out. From the rangers broadcast it looked like Moore got a bunch of head contact, and I thought it was incidental, meaning, the head got hit along with the body. Looking at the other angle, it seems the head barely if at all got hit. Moore has only one hand on the stick, keeping the stick on the ice, he has his elbow tucked tight against his body waiting for contact, his hitting shoulder is lower that the non hitting as he leans in for the hit. All things you do to avoid hitting a guy too high (unlike Stevens who stood tall to keep his hitting shoulder and elbow higher) He didn't extend upwards or extend his arm until after contact. If he did catch his head it was an intentional thing, and the NHL is SUPPOSED to take that into account. Also, he didn't come from the blind area like he did when he hit Weise (was it Weise?) He was skating across and slightly towards the blue line. Was the outcome perfect? Clearly not, there must have been some head contact because the guy went down like that, unless it was whiplash, but that happens in a contact sport. I don't see it as a "head shot" like the NHL is trying to get rid of.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:43 am EST

didn't all the wild players that got hurt return to the game?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:42 am EST

Vic...talk about adding insult to injury...literally!...at 1:17 when the ambulance guys drop the stretcher on its side as they are loading Modano into the ambulance.

RF73


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:41 am EST

http://imgur.com/Bb1KVg4 Thats the gif...and in fact you can see his ELBOW never makes contact, and it fairly obvious to me, that and head contact was incidental. Moore makes contact, almost simultaneously with his hip, shoulder, and arm, and the extending arm doesn't appear to make contact with anything other than the guys chest. So tell me again how Moore hit him in the head.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:40 am EST

Vic do you get this upset when it's done to the nyr? it's fairly often. cost Nash parts of 2 seasons.....and probably intentional...keyword....kid k and j moore don't give me the impression they are that type of player.....some in the nhl are over that line....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:36 am EST

http://imgur.com/13yaOgS Please tell me...(this is from the Wild Broadcast) how is he putting his elbow in the guys head here?

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:34 am EST

Reports that Moore will have a phone hearing (0-5 games) but also some conflicting "we don't know yet" reports still out there.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:32 am EST

VIC: There is a gif floating around this morning of a different angle of the Moore hit. You can CLEARLY see his head only makes contact after the hit is in progress. Also, he head going back is EXACTLY my point, The players body in twisting, if his head was what too the contact the HEAD would have twisted first FOLLOWED by the shoulders...instead the SHOULDERS twist and the head followed them. It is 100% impossible for a hit to cause the body to twist but not the head if the head is hit. Just not physically possible. As for Kreider, the player leaned back towards him...and the bear hug idea, well the NHL made it clear when GMs were trying to make that an allowable thing, to say you can't wrap a guy up away from the boards, they can call holding. Guys a routinely shoved from the goal line and closer to the boards and sometimes further out, they just don't always fall down or get propelled with suck force. If Kreider had shoved him with less force he would have stayed up and just banged off the boards, it actually happened (yes I watched for it) 6 more times during the game, both teams did it equally. Players going in for the puck get hit all the time by the other teams guy, and the guy in front leans back in anticipation of it. What Kreider did was harder than it should have been for sure, but not out of the norm...that is also why there is no further discipline. The NHL looked and saw a normal play go bad, Kreider does it again, and gets a major he gets a 1 game suspension, so the system is in place to make sure he isn't doing it on purpose.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:30 am EST

Again....for those that don't remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yxLlZkknv0

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 10:26 am EST

WILDCARD: Wow, I disagree with your assessment of both hits. KREIDER is staring at the guys back. He absolutely can't hit the guy and he did. He not only hit him, he finished him. When you are staring at a guys back like that you have to either pull up or wrap him up and take him into the boards. If KREIDER does that there is no issue or call on the play. On the MOORE hit I don't see how you completely missed the guy's head snap back. He took the hit right on the jaw. It doesn't matter if it was a shoulder or elbow (which it looked like to me). I don't know how the MOORE hit can be defended. That is the hit they are trying to get rid of in the game. The blind side shot to head from a guy crossing into another guy's path. Ten or twenty years ago it was legal. STEVENS and PRONGER made careers out of knocking guys out on hits like that. Hell, MESSIER nearly killed MODANO on hit like that. You just can't hit guys like that anymore under any circumstances. It doesn't matter if it is a shoulder or not.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:57 am EST

Kreider not expected to face discipline for hit per McKenzie. RF, I spent a lifetime in lockerooms. But as I remember that quote it was lengthy, pretty direct as if he was asked the question. I'll have to dig it up. Thing is, he's supposed to know better.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:49 am EST

Anyone who finds JT's stroking comment offensive and/or wrong or whatever I suspect hasn't spent time in a locker room, especially as a player. That sort of language and talk goes on continually is all part of the comardarie within a team. The only thing wrong there was the weasel reporter publishing it. I can only imagine the outcry if all reporters spending time in a dressing room reported every little utterance they overheard.

RF4L


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:36 am EST

Then again, Zuc last night said Rangers need 'to play with their balls out', haha. So idk, maybe that's the new thing.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:31 am EST

btw DelZotto is looking pretty good in Philadelphia

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:27 am EST

Actually, John Moore is third in team hits, behind only Glass and Girardi.

Messier11


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:21 am EST

TD, you wrote me a lengthy post on Thornton, but most of those reasons against have (reasonably imo) been dispelled. His age? Who cares FOR THIS YEAR as long as he's still productive? And he is. As I've said, I think there are a small group of aging players that decisions will need to be made on if they can't secure a Cup in a year or two.so whats one more? If youre going for it, then GO for it. i think that's all pretty plain, to the front office as well. His contract? If SJs not eating $ its very hard ( but still not impossible to see deal.). But, if as I believe and E doesn't, SJ wants him out, theyd have to buckle at least $ome. The talent we'd give up? Stepan? Please. A Nash package? Thorton's 8 years older. No frickin way. Is that what the Debs gave up for Kovalchuk? One roster player (maybe) , good prospect(maybe two if no roster player) and a pick. The last point, the umm....douchery? Lol. I will say that 'stroking' remark Thornton made after Hertl's bust out game really surprised me. Maybe it wasn't intended on the record and he was joking with reporters and some asswipe printed it, idk. But that came off real bad. I can't ever remember a hockey player speaking like that on the record. Anyways, we'll see. But the HOCKEY reasons I don't think there's legit reason to be against. Hey Wild, now E's gonna be mad at you for suggesting Thorton could be traded. Better its your fault than mine ;)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 9:05 am EST

Stevie: I think the asking questions will do much more good than harm. It won't bring attention to him, they are watching regardless. HOWEVER if there is a reputation for him trying to improve, and trying to become a safer hitter that will go further than say, the way Cooke used to be, unapologetic and unchanging until his job was on the line.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:50 am EST

if kid k becomes the nyr lucic, so be it......I don't want him getting pansified....have to take the good with the bad......he's learning how to be a power forward.....he has to learn how to work the refs, and not attract their attention....he's probably asking them too many questions....dickaletti thinks that's great....he needs to go to nbc already.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:47 am EST

td: one more thing on JT. He has a NMC. If he says "I'll only play for the (add team here)" and they want to move him. Well, sucks for the Sharks.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:45 am EST

Oh. And for me the outcome of the hit is irrelevant. Clean hits, even clean by today's standards, have ended careers. Can't look at outcome...sometimes the receiving player does something to make it worse.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:43 am EST

RF4L: guys get shoved from behind like that all the time, that is why they lean back. Kreider just put too much on it. He didn't do anything out of the norm play wise, he just needs to be aware of how big his opponent is...he used Chara strength when he needed Duclair strength.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:26 am EST

Totally concur RF. Re; saving it. Maybe something he needs to learn, pacing that part. Hes such a bull. Anything he touch, he destroys!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:24 am EST

WIld: Learning how to hit hard does indeed make sense, especially when you're a horse like Kreider is. What he did yesterday is not about that - it's just careless and stupid. If Brodin had broken his neck and/or was paralyzed would folks on here be saying they that are glad (or at least not upset) that he did it?

RF4L


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:24 am EST

stevielegs - I don't want to get back into the whole THORNTON discussion again, but what you said...that you wouldn't mind him here if the price was right(i.e. a lot of salary going the other way)...that's one of the top reasons he'll never be a Ranger...not unless against all odds he's bought out or something...Sharks aren't going to eat anything to move him...and if they do, his price will be that much more.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:23 am EST

If Moore gets 6-10 games as Brooks surmises, Id bet they deal for a depth dman. Totally wrong imo. Perfect opp for MCI, Allen or both! Wpg Saturday, no world beaters, though Big Buff was seriously rag-dolling people last night.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:23 am EST

Vic: Think you need to pay more attention to the Kreider hit, the Wild player leaned back some, and Kreider I think was compensating for that, but the guy didn't lean back all that far or press that hard, and Kreider is a strong dude. Moore, well, it may have been high, but it wasn't as bad as people want to say, the guy he hit spun in the air, but his head never turned, the main power of the impact HAD to hit his body or else his head would have whipped around and the shoulder followed, but thats not the way it happened. He cam across and I think he just didn't react to the player leaning forward. He has done it before, the player he has lined up adjusts, and Moore doesn't adjust his hit, like he gets a picture in his mind and that is it. If he got there a second earlier the player wouldn't have shot yet and his head would have been a little higher and back and it just a big high hit to the body.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:22 am EST

And I get the allure of having Kreider play that way, but its a fine line and if he's not careful, he'll end up with a reputation that can only be detrimental. And really, if you gotta do it, save it for a team like the Bruins and Flyers where half the rosters are assholes.

RF4L


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:18 am EST

td: I get the impression sometimes that Kreider does underestimate how hard he can launch a guy. And they are not just coming up with those statements...they have talked about it a couple games now, and the first time I heard it they said that Kreider himself had said he was trying to learn how hard he can hit in certain situations, and that this ear he is even stronger so he has to be carful....and carful he must be. I don't want him letting up, but he needs to make sure he doesn't blow guy up ala Hollaweg when all he sees is numbers. But beyond that, I think we will have to deal with him getting a hit in now and again like last night....not always a bad thing, but most nights you give up a goal on a 5 min major.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:18 am EST

Vic - I think some of McDONAGH'S tough start is directly correlated with the weakness up the middle. No question that the Rangers lacking their top center and having an AHL lifer fill in on the lower lines is putting more pressure on the D...in particular, McDonagh...some of his bad plays last night were on his shoulders...but others...well...that's what happens when you have a guy like MSL sliding over to the top center spot...or have a rookie like HAYES or MILLER there...or MUELLER for that matter. Any defensive gaff up the middle ends up falling on his shoulders.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:15 am EST

RF, Im not sure how to describe Kreider on things like that. Not defending, that one is a definite no-no, dangerous and not cool. He's almost a little clumsy, but also sneaky/mean. For all the abuse we take - and remember CK missed like 19 games I think down the stretch after a nasty, needless slash - Im not going to complain whs n we finally inflict, whoever, whenever, however.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:11 am EST

I heard Dickaletti say that too --that KREIDER doesn't know his own strength. I kind of disagree...I think he knows his strength very well. He's just using it now. Or in that case, imposing it...Frankly, though, his penalty is one I'll take and hope he doesn't get the suspension...that's the edge he needs in his game...he delivers that hit a half-step later, they're at the boards and its a good hit....the MOORE one was where I was going 'WTF' man...that was just nasty. He's definitely on the bench for a few games...don't know if it'll be four...but definitely a couple...Three options...Keep Hunwick where he is and promote ALLEN...slide HUNWICK over to his natural left and promote McILRATH or do the same and give KOSTA another chance...gotta say the last option is not an option at all, unless the Rangers want to sacrifice some games.

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:11 am EST

STEVIE: I don't disagree that the Rangers need to be more physical. I absolutely want them to be. They have always played better when they were physically engaged in a game. But, what KREIDER and MOORE did last night was just stupid. It went beyond being physical. It was Filthadelphia hockey in that both were stupid, selfish/careless plays that showed no concern for the team. It wasn't a display of team toughness or physicality. It was display of individual lack of discipline on the part of KREDIER and MOORE. That is Filthadelphia hockey.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:10 am EST

Vic agree on the C, they shouldn't have named a captain. 3 or 6 a's is good enough. ...but it's done, he'll have to learn the role while playing the way he's capable of.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:06 am EST

As for the players......HANK overall played really well. There might have been a goal (3rd one IIRC) that he might have wanted back but the shot was from the top of the slot after a cross ice pass. He made a number of tough saves on deflections that kept the Rangers in the game and gave them a chance to come back. McDONAGH had another rough game overall. I hope the C isn't doing to him what it did to LEETCH. If so he should pass it off to MSL, STAAL or GIRARDI and focus on his game. He looks lost and is making really bad decisions with and without the puck. He doesn't look anything like the player we have come to know and love. MALONE was completely ineffective. The only forward that looked any good through the first two periods was NASH. He played a dominant game last night. He was physical and feisty. I loved the way he went to the net in the 3rd. He is showing no fear now. He was definitely the catalyst for the comeback last night IMHO. BRASSARD played well in the 3rd as did MZA. Prior to the 3rd MZA was horrid. Beautiful pass by him to HAGS. Congrats to DUCLAIR on his first goal. I could get used to seeing him streaking down the wing and shooting with that much quickness and velocity while on the move. It was a goal-scorers goal. Other thoughts......D. MOORE had a rough game IMHO. I didn't think MUELLER was any worse then MOORE and probably was better overall on the night. MSL was good in the faceoff circle but not much of anywhere else. Ugly game for the Rangers which definitely leaves a worse taste in my mouth then any win should.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:04 am EST

Vic the nyr have to send a message too. hockey is hockey. they have taken plenty abuse from most teams. there are numerous ways to win or lose a game. one dirty hit and one over zealous one, and they're the cryers? ......watch the intermission video of what's going on around the league......plenty of dirty hits and injuries ....again hockey not badminton.....or golf.....I don't condone intent to injure, but the game has to be played blacknblue......and nyr will get injured by both , you can bet on that......it's how they respond that counts...get 2 points.....8 out of last 10 points is pretty good.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 8:03 am EST

RR: IMO, defending Kreider's absolutely stupid move by claiming he doesn't know his own strength is really implying the man is stupider than the move itself. It was careless and could easily have resulted in far more severe consequences for Brodini (like a broken neck). And I maintain anyone could have done that, including MZA or MSL. It's not a matter of strength - it's a matter of discipline/being aware. On the other hand, I'm with you on Moore. Hardly hits at all and then does that (for the 2nd time in less than 6 months)? WTF??

RF4L


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:59 am EST

Ha, none taken Vic. I must admit I was lusting Saturdaylol. Few things give me the creeps like those Montreal games.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:55 am EST

No offense RR, I just couldn't resist poking you with a stick after your blood-lust tirade before the Montreal game... ;-)

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:54 am EST

On the game.....Watching the first two periods was as frustrating as any game I can remember. Not only were the Rangers playing monumentally stupid hockey (KREIDER and MOORE), they were horrific in just about every other way. They could not complete a pass. Not a single pass. With or without pressure. They couldn't complete 10 foot passes. I've never seen anything like that. If the pass wasn't way off the mark the guy on the receiving end looked like he never used a stick before. And it was ALL OF THEM. Minnesota is good but the Rangers were struggling just to do some of the most basic things. As the game unfolded I thought to myself..........."I really don't agree with some of the things I'm hearing on the broadcast. I wonder what the comments on the Wall will be like. Will they match the broadcast or match what I see?".......Sure enough you guys saw what I saw. In particular, HUNWICK had a really tough game through two periods. On at least two of the goals he allowed a Wild player to go through or around him in the front of the net unimpeded to score. At the time I was thinking that whatever warts DM might have there is no way those two goals happen with him on the ice. I'll give credit where it is due though in that he made two good plays including the great pass to DUCLAIR in the 3rd period that salvaged his night. As great a comeback as it was this game is more about the Wild failing then it is about the Rangers deserving to win. The Wild were pathetic on the PP and threw away so many chances to bury the Rangers and put the game away. Then in the 3rd they decided that as bad as the Rangers defensive positioning and coverage was through two periods, they could do worse. And boy did they ever. The Wild were god awful in the 3rd. They allowed NASH to do whatever he wanted in front of the goal. They had nobody within a mile of HAGS coming straight down the slot on the shot he rang off the post and they had nobody within a mile of BRASSARD as he casually went to the net to stuff in the puck. But the worst was the game winning goal. First, SUTTER let BRASSARD make him look like a complete stiff. But to top it off TWO other Wild players watch as MZA goes right to the front of the crease without anyone bothering to cover him. There were 3 Wild players (4 if you count the goalie who decided not to play the puck) who couldn't have been more passive on that 5th goal against BRASSARD and MZA. It was disgusting really. I'll give credit to the Rangers for not quitting in the game and getting their act together in the 3rd but my assessment of the game is that the Wild probably couldn't have done more to give this game away if they tried.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:42 am EST

Oh gimme a break Vic, with that outlandish & outrageous mischaracterization of my position on what is really an issue of self-preservation. Kreider doesnt know his own strength. I just said IDK WTH is with Moore. I didnt deserve that, like I want caveman hockey. But it is better to give than receive ;)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:36 am EST

First off, RR you got your wish last night. The Rangers were sending Wild players to the hospital. The Ranges were doing their best Filthadelphia impersonation through two periods. Did you like that brand of hockey? Did you like the way the team looked killing off 14 minutes of penalties through 40 minutes of hockey? Yes, the Rangers did end up winning the game but only when they cut the crap and started playing hockey.

Vic


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:25 am EST

Kind of strange with Moore. 2nd time now. He doesnt hit anybody for 20 games, then he's the Terminator. Odd.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 7:05 am EST

Oh how quickly percrptions can change. This morning we are an explosive team, never out of a game. That's important for them to know, all year, they can come back against a good D, in this case the leagues' stingiest. It's also important for us watching, not to get too close to the ledge at any given time lol. This team should be dynamic on all cylinders.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 28 2014 6:36 am EST

game and players can usually be spun to fit your opinions. ....it was a lot better to give than receive last night. let the wild use the medical room, and the nyr the tv room. they only had 6 against in first 6 games, gave up 5 in game 7. what's that MOOF, (wall stat) , ? .....pk killed off 2 majors and 2 minors thru a weird first 2 periods.....hank stood up between the 2nd and 3rd to talk, scream, whatever about emotion etc.....the nyr responded by playing like it was practice....SHOOT THE PUCK..... and I hope brass-ard continues to get away with that penalty that wasn't called where he put his stick behind the d man's knee and half buckled him, then went past him to get the puck and feed bazookarella. the rope a dope worked, in the spin room.......tdchi you have declared the Mueller dream over? you will do anything to get jitters back here. have to say I disagree with many of your opinions, but I'll defend your right to state them. There are plenty of guys I'd trade to get jumbo with part of his salary being left in do you know the way to san jose, including jitters........I think Mueller is doing ok, as is hunwick considering they are new here..... too bad veenyo and sather sent my Pisano Lombardi the wrong message. I would have liked to see him speed away at center with many on this team. ....is d boyle skating yet?......that game will have a good effect on the TEAM, if veenyo figures out how to spin it rather than harp on it with his endless talk and video sessions , alias meetings .....accentuating the positive is not easy, when trying to fix mistakes....it's called constructive.....and j moore and maybe kid k will get disciplined by quintal the jerk.....hayes needs to go down to Hartford, but probably won't. why koska is still up I don't get......but veenyo will probably go to him before calling a d man up......time for more coffee....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 28 2014 1:32 am EST

And kitchen, right back at ya' oh great exulted one. If only we could all be you...

tdchi


Tue Oct 28 2014 1:31 am EST

Great comeback...That was both the best and worst game I've seen so far this season...first half just sucked...listless poor hockey...thought for a second I was watching my beer league team playing...but MAN did they tighten up after that third goal...Said to myself after KREIDER got pitched it was up to DUCLAIR to step up or go back to juniors. Well, I gotta say that was about as good of an argument for staying as any. Huge goal for the kid...great play...and I'll give it to NASH too: He's doing everything that he never did in his first two seasons here...it's all I ever asked of the guy...Now I'm not going to believe for one minute this pace keeps up...but I'd love to be proven wrong...ditto on my call with Duke. If he can step up like that during crucial moments, then he's an asset. Still not sold, but we'll see...this BS with MSL in the middle...man, do I hope that's finally over...BRASSARD looked great and if we were looking for someone to replace POULIOT...well...Nash sure looked like he fit like a glove on that line...MUELLER - Alas, the dream is over. It's time to give either MILLER or LINDBERG a chance in the middle..my guess, though, is that they limp through until Step comes back.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:52 pm EST

Nash was a force. His hitting was what really impressed. He was throwing people around.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:34 pm EST

Assuming Moore is out, I hope Klein stays with McD and Staal with Girardi. Hunwick and McIlrath or Kostka.

Messier11


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:50 pm EST

John Moor's hit on Erik Haula: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgirsrPojOU

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:23 pm EST

Jim.They showed some character in the third but that also due the sloppy goaltending of Kuemper !

ilya


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:05 pm EST

AbacusLegs; NASH current scoring pace has him on track for 82 Goals & 18.22 assists for 100.22 pts..... and then I will trade him. :->

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:48 pm EST

50 off if you like papa johns for 5 goals

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:38 pm EST

Moof Nash pace?

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:35 pm EST

Imagine Allen will get the call..... Would like to see MCI but it won't happen.....Agree Moore is in trouble after that hit....He tracked the guy and nailed him....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:33 pm EST

SLegs: that's winning 63.83% of the Face-offs...

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:32 pm EST

BTW, I hope my first thoughts on Hunwick are wrong because it's quite likely J Moore will be suspended for at least 4 games and probably more. He got ousted for 2 PO games last year for a similar hit on Weise. Surely McI or Allen will be recalled...Hunshit and Koscrap bottom pairing is rather disconcerting....

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:29 pm EST

Last time the Rangers scored 5 goals in one period was 1993

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:25 pm EST

Gets quiet here after wins .. Kitchen bang some pots and pans ... Break dishes....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:24 pm EST

Duke eclair got the broadway hat...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:14 pm EST

Won 30 of 47 faceoffs

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:14 pm EST

PJ: Fair enough. The first time I really watched him. And in his defense, the first 2 periods were horrible all around.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:10 pm EST

RF...A little hard on Hunwick....He had a couple of bad plays on D but has been good in the games prior to this.....Also took the shot that Nash scored on the rebound and fed Duclair with a pass for his goal.....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:08 pm EST

Averted a rough week here with no game until Saturday lol.whew.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:05 pm EST

Like the new D pairings.

Messier11


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:59 pm EST

BTW, Mueller looked AHLish to me tonight - the first time I've really seen him (didn't watch much of the Montreal game and missed the SJ match). The sooner he's back where he belongs the better it is for the Rangers IMO.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:58 pm EST

JFC: Yep, don't disagree. Gotta start playing 60 minutes regularly. Soon.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:50 pm EST

RF -- any time you lose a 3 goal lead its a major screw-up....but, the Rangers came out STRONG in the 3rd and forced their will on the Wild. I thought it started with Zucc...he got the puck twice early and just blasted slap shots at the net....he set a tone and the Rangers really, as a group, played very well in the 3rd...missing a forward and a D-man. Good stuff.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:45 pm EST

What Duclair does naturally....and it's not easy to teach....is shoot the puck while he is on the move. That's what makes him special....he does things at high speed. That goal was the style that the Russians made famous....shooting on the move. Snipers can do that....five hole while on the move!

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:42 pm EST

2 points the ugly way, 2 points none the less... Can we get back to name calling and cyber war? It's a long time till Saturday...

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:42 pm EST

OK everyone kiss and make up,we won! Ha! I checked out for 30mins and when I come back holy cow we have the lead and win. Just don't get this team at all. Got to watch the 3rd on rewind and see what the F happened.

NYStranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:42 pm EST

stevie: Agreed - this game is more about the WIld totally screwing it up vs the Rangers coming back. That's not to say the comeback wasn;t enjoyable - sure as hell was. But playing this way might translate into wins against the Wild and the Devils, but it'll translate into loses against the a whole bunch of other teams (as we witnessed Saturday night).

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:38 pm EST

kitchen: All good provided you (and this applies to all of us) don't take yourself too seriously, lest a flame war breaks out and that is never a good thing.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:37 pm EST

Can't figure this one out but what a comeback...Agree that Nash got this going....Worked his ass off all game....Gotta love it....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:36 pm EST

Finally, MZA shows up. WHEW. Nice for Duke to score and yeah, maybe the goalie should have had it, but that shot wasn't exactly a weeble. Nash was IMO, the best Ranger forward overall (counting all 3 periods and all 3 zones). Nice to see he's keeping it up.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:34 pm EST

2 garbage periods followed by one of the most enjoyable comebacks I've seen in a long time!! Zucc led the way....came out blasting!!

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:34 pm EST

I see that everyone likes my earlier line. Too funny.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:33 pm EST

Holy shit what a game

tlats


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:32 pm EST

The wild lost this game real bad ... Imagine their wailing wall..:

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:31 pm EST

Veenyo wearing his free uncle duke outfit

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:29 pm EST

Are we winning the cup now? . ; ) Great comeback. Wholly shit!!!

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:29 pm EST

Fun team to watch. I don't know how to handle this.

nyfans


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:26 pm EST

Fondle Those Prom Dates!!!!!!!!!

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:25 pm EST

ZUUUUKE!!!

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:25 pm EST

what a comeback!!!!

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:25 pm EST

Bazookerella

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:25 pm EST

ZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKK

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:25 pm EST

DUUUUUUKE!!!

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:25 pm EST

Hey Hey, DUUUUU CLLLLAAAIIIIRRRRRR with his 1st NHL goal.... Tie ball game! Fondle them Prom Dates!!!!

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:24 pm EST

THE DUKE

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:19 pm EST

Imagine the frustration on Minnesota's part. 14 PP minutes in the first 40 of the game and zero goals. Utterly ridiculous. And further emphasizes the importance of that aspect of play. The Rangers (kudos to them for doing so) are back in this only because that PP is so inept. And a PP worse than the Rangers! WOW!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:13 pm EST

And I get the frustration with McD. Time after time after time just boneheaded decisions that create chaos. Surely he'll settle down. If/when so that will go a long way helping the poor puck management we are seeing overall with the team.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:12 pm EST

Hey, was that the dreaded Zucc / Brass / Hag line? ..... We got a ball game....

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:12 pm EST

Glad to see the Rangers decided to come out and play hockey this period....crazy game!

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:11 pm EST

Brass

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:08 pm EST

The more I watch AV's answer to replacing Dan Boyle the more I think he's a stubborn McI hater. I mean, is that kid worse than Hunshit and Koscrap? If so, trade him away tomorrow for the best return you can get.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:07 pm EST

Good thing we don't play till Saturday. Down 2 men for most of the game

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:05 pm EST

Hunwick sucks. SUCKS. Directly to blame for 2 goals.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:04 pm EST

geezus

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:04 pm EST

kitchen: No whining (a rule you broke on your first no-whining protest) and now no pining? Are your rules binding?? DOH!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:03 pm EST

Nasher!!!!

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:03 pm EST

Rf mza is playing for the price he took instead of worth. Part time job... Kitchen losing makes pinning ... One goal game

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:03 pm EST

Rf mza is playing for the price he took instead of worth. Part time job... Kitchen losing makes pinning ... One goal game

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:00 pm EST

KK! And some folks are looking to trade him? Yikes!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:00 pm EST

Now we're pining for Brian Boyle? LOL

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:58 pm EST

The only forward showing anything is Nash. Is MZA even dressed? How can he go from being one of the most obvious forwards last year to being totally invisible. I don't get it.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:49 pm EST

Play shorthanded for 3 rd ... Shut them out for 2 periods that way...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:45 pm EST

Losing is not fun magnifying problems and mistakes. You win a mess like this it's a miracle... Coach is doing his Helen Keller Imitatiion Rearrange the furniture turn all the lights on...eyes wide shut... What a dizzy ass stir ... This too shall pass... Someday...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:36 pm EST

Fugly hockey

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:34 pm EST

Pj I do think b Boyle had an intention of resigning here... Think his new wife is from Tampa...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:33 pm EST

No consistency in the lines so little chemistry. Awful change by Brass & Zucc led to 2nd goal...how does that happen?

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:32 pm EST

And what's with the usually wimp-assed Rangers being all nasty and tough against the Wild? Save this for the Boston Bruins or Philly Flyers, if you have to do it at all. This team is a complete mess right now and no way is it because Derek Stepan is hurt.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:32 pm EST

Miserable game and performance...Just don't get this team at all....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:30 pm EST

AV sucks, too.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:30 pm EST

An ass kicking

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:25 pm EST

Would rather have B.Boyle than D. Moore.....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:22 pm EST

This will be 14 minutes shorthanded and we have no PP's.....Can't play this way....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:21 pm EST

Complete undisciplined team effort! Krieder looked like an accident but Moore will get suspended and should.

rngrsans


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:20 pm EST

I think both are looking at suspensions. Kreider's for carelessness and to send a message. Moore cause it is deserved.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:18 pm EST

That was a nasty hit by Moore....Deserved to be tossed....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:18 pm EST

Irony: Matt Cooke scores. We get two game misconducts

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:17 pm EST

If there is a suspension, will we see McIlrath?

Higgy21


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:16 pm EST

Rangers playing undisciplined, dumb-ass hockey

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:15 pm EST

Sather SUCKS.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:14 pm EST

Well we really got a boost from killing the penalty.....Geez....Now another 5 minutes and Moore is tossed....Say goodnight....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:14 pm EST

Kitchen, I been where youre goin man LOL. You didnt say anything wrong from what I saw. Hang in there haha...

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:11 pm EST

Wow Hunwick screwed up there....A shame after killing the major....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:09 pm EST

No whistle when a Ranger is hurt....Also missed a penalty....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:05 pm EST

Jethro doesn't know his own strength....Need to kill the rest of this penalty....

PJ


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:00 pm EST

...is even more disrespectful. Not only to TD but to those of us on here who come for intelligent conversation.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:58 pm EST

Kitchen- I think JFC is referring to the fact that TDCHI wrote a lengthy opinion that you are free to disagree with, but calling someone an idiot is bad enough, but to spend no time composing a thoughtful response.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:56 pm EST

Dumb penalty by Kreider but again he is being penalized for being stronger than anyone on the ice. That injury was on the D Man as much as on Kreider. Still The K needs to learn not to make contact there.

NYStranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:54 pm EST

You shouldn't have to ask that question.....respect should be a given when you post here.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:48 pm EST

Show some respect to whom?

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:47 pm EST

Kitchen 1 -- cut the crap....show some respect

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:45 pm EST

Another stupid penalty by the Rangers. This will be a big opportunity for Duclair to play well again. If we can kill this 5 minute penalty, it will be a BIG boost for our confidence.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:43 pm EST

Tdchi, you are an idiot.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:57 pm EST

RR - In no way does my support for MILLER have anything to do with why I think(know) THORNTON is a bad idea. In this order, here's why I don't want him here: 1a. His age. Sorry, but he's on the downside of his career and like a lot of big guys, when his skill erodes, it ain't going to be pretty; 1b. What the Rangers will need to give to get him. Jumbo Shrimp will cost around what Nash cost. There's no question in my mind. Zero. That means kiss goodbye to at least one very good young player(I'll throw Stepan's name out there)...maybe two...at least one very good prospect(take your pick of Miller, Duclair, or Buchnevich) and 2016's first rounder...so in the unlikely event that Thornton IS in the Rangers' future...who's to say what they have left in NY will be enough to go all the way? I couldn't subtract two key players from our lineup, add Thornton and feel comfortable saying the Rangers will make the finals; 2. His contract. It sucks. It's going to suck more every year until he retires. And you think RICHARDS contract was bad? Yeah. It's going to look like a gem when Thornton drops off the abyss; 3. He's never won a cup and given his latest body of work, didn't do squat to further his team's bid for one. Guys here can roll out nice long lists of all those "great" players that never won a cup...well for every name that's on those lists, there are four others who have at least one cup...Count up the guys in the HHOF who don't have a cup to their name...compare that list to the ones who do. You'll get my point. There are great players and there are great players who make their teams great...As much as I'm sour on the guy, MESSIER was the latter...he had a track record he brought to MSG and while he was surrounded by a great team, he made that team SO much better. I didn't see Thornton do that with the Bruins or the Sharks; and 4. Because I think the guy is a fat-mouthed douche. I've heard hockey players say some stupid things, but what he said after the Rangers spanked the Sharks really had me scratching my head. I'll never forget that. And that was a team that was ALL sandpaper...guy sounded like a delusional idiot...and I know...it's one interview and athletes say stupid stuff all the time...well, that showed a lack of intelligence and class...made him sound like a poor sport throwing insults at a team that handed him his worthless ass...that in a nutshell wraps it up for me...but in no way do any of my other three points hold a candle to the top two, which say everything right there. Shouldn't need to get to point 2 after reading 1a and 1b.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:54 pm EST

JFC: well neither of those things are happening...soooo...Kreider is with Brass/Zucc and Duke is on the 3rd line for warm ups.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:34 pm EST

JFC: I'm thinking a struggle to win for the Rangers (if they win) - jumbled lines = no continuity = minimal scoring chances = 2 goals.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:31 pm EST

Hayes pressboxed and MSL back to center? Geeesh and around and around we go. Hurry back Stepan.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:30 pm EST

Can't believe AV is going back to Brass-Zucc-Hags....that line was awful and Hags disappeared when he was on it. The Duke on the 4th line....I had wondered if AV would do that and try to get the kid some PP time, but he wasn't on the PP practice units. I'm thinking if AV doesn't like what he sees from Lines 3 & 4, he jumbles them early in the game

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:09 pm EST

Light calendar tonight in the NHL with the Habs visiting Edmonton as the only other contest.. After tonight we don't play again until Saturday Nov 1st which begins a heavy month for the Rangers... It would be nice to come away with the 2 points...... Tonights Pre-game: http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/preview?id=2014020122

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:08 pm EST

Rangers' coaches changed the personnel on the two power play units at the morning skate, though afterwards head coach Alain Vigneault would not fully commit to the groupings the team practiced with. The most notable change was that Chris Kreider had been removed from the power play altogether after, according to Vigneault, he turned the puck over four times on the man advantage Saturday night in Montreal. The one power play unit had Rick Nash, Chris Mueller, and Marty St. Louis up front with Lee Stempniak and Dan Girardi manning the points. The second unit featured Derick Brassard centering Mats Zuccarello and Ryan Malone, with Ryan McDonagh and John Moore paired up front. Malone had been a healthy scratch against the Canadiens on Saturday.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:07 pm EST

Only thing I know E is the direct quote attributed to Joe Thorton. Not sure what your problem is but it's just that, your problem. Sounds like you dont want to see Joe go. Sounds like he is going, somewhere. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 5:05 pm EST

From Blueshirt United: Should Malone return to the lineup tonight, it would seem rookie Kevin Hayes--who had a tough game Saturday and was dropped to the fourth line during the contest--could be the healthy scratch, especially since he and extra defenseman Mike Kostka were the last two players on the Garden ice this morning.....If Hayes does not play tonight, the Rangers would likely have to shift St. Louis back into the middle. Vigneault noted that "it's something that we might look at."

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 4:53 pm EST

Okay, I'll walk it away lest I become the very thing that sent me away. You want introspective on a topic, I brought it. RR, you know better. I concede...

E


Mon Oct 27 2014 4:32 pm EST

If you're talkin' to me E, you shouldnt leave it there cause I have no idea what the FUCK you're talking about. Youre claiming some first-hand intimate knowledge of SJ? Who cares? Whats gone on publicly says everything. McClullen talked to Thorton that day and never said a word about the captaincy. Thats per JT himself, on the record. Sounds happy to you? Sounds classless to me. Sounds like trouble.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 4:17 pm EST

And I'll leave it there

E


Mon Oct 27 2014 4:17 pm EST

RR: you have no working idea of why Thornton was stripped unless you google it. You know nothing about his personality and his sense of humor and how it played out in the locker room unless you googled it. So stick your hockey knowledge to things that you know first hand about. You know how the New York Rangers players play and the player personalities, and the ins and outs of why McD was made captain. I know how the New York Rangers play, the player personalities. I know how the San Jose players play, the player personalities and the ins and outs of why Thornton lost his C. You don't know the Sharks anymore then I know the Minnesota Wild. But like you and can google anything about them and pride myself an expert.

E


Mon Oct 27 2014 4:10 pm EST

Not saying what I think will happen, but rather assuming some ground to scouting BJs and looking at what holes we have, what players they have that address those holes, what contracts they'd want to move, etc. Assuming also that it's not LA were scouting. ///// everyone take a few seconds and watch the Boyle fight from last week- he is clueless.

Messier11


Mon Oct 27 2014 3:47 pm EST

Kitchen1: I'm glad this forum has provided the space to express these latent emotions due to not feeling up your date on prom night. This is a big step, and the CJC recommends that you feel up as many women as possible until you're complete with the situation. Until then, "Feel em Up! & Let's Go Rangers!

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 3:44 pm EST

td -- I was in no way, shape or form attacking you...and yes, Thornton is on another team, but we're talking about him in the context of the whether or not he might become a Ranger by the trading deadline. You don't want him her because he's a "loser" , you think he'll cost too much and his contract is too large for you to swallow. I would take him on this team simply because he would make us better for objective reason I and others have stated. When you GUARANTEE your opinion is correct, you're guaranteed to get the opposite side here on The Wall. And I do agree with your point about the "whining" accusation leveled at The Wall....completely inaccurate in this instance although we've all been in need of some cheese to go along with our whines now and then.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 3:06 pm EST

TD, I get the sense underlying this Thornton vitriol is a fear if JT came on board, it'd rob another JT (Miller) of an opp to be on the team. Am I correct? Cause, not for nothing, but it's supposed to be a Cup year. Ya know, the big shiny glorious thing. We're supposed to get it - or die trying. And ya know, if the choice is one guy who only Sid Crosby made more plays than last year, and the other is looking like a franchise player - for the Hartford Wolf Pack - then I'll go with the former, please.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 2:47 pm EST

E - Thank you again for bringing a shred of sanity to this insane conversation.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 2:45 pm EST

JFC31 - You do realize you're defending a guy on the San Jose Sharks...a guy who the closest he ever came to being a Ranger was when he was drafted and played for the Bruins...a guy who called "the black and blueshirts" of 2011 a soft team...right after they beat his lame-ass squad and held him scoreless(if I recall correctly). So you want erect monuments to this tool box, go for it. I say the punk stays in San Jose, which is where he belongs racking up one epic choke after the next...gah...I can't believe I'm sitting here on a Ranger site and finding myself attacked for calling a jackass on the other side of the continent a loser...a former Bruin too...I don't get you guys.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 2:38 pm EST

Kitchen1 - "To call professional players "losers" is just downright absurd." Well, to come on a fan site and call everyone "whiners" is downright absurd, but you don't hear us bitching about it. I'll call whoever I want a loser...and just because a guy can slap around a puck doesn't make him some god among men. In fact, by virtue that he does get paid millions to play a game for a living...a game most of us PAY to play...I have every f@cking right in the book to call him a loser. And just so were clear, Joe Thornton is a loser. There I said it again. Call the internet police and go get yourself some more cheese for all that whine.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 2:32 pm EST

Why pretend at all E? Its public record. Thorton's brother agent was tweeting snide remarks just a few weeks ago. Google them, and try reading the lovey doveyness without the rose-colored glassas. I didnt put a gun to his head and say Tweet or die. I had nothing to do with it. Thortons not even my no. 1 choice for the Rangers, maybe not even no. 2. But I can be objective.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 2:20 pm EST

Right, the same way Partick Marleau reacted when he was stripped of the C and went on to force his way off of the team. But clearly you know better. Let's pretend for a moment that you have a little less information about the state of affairs in San Jose then you do.

E


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:41 pm EST

So if AV calls McD in his office and rips the C off his sweater, he should take that as a sign of managements love & affection? And McD hasnt been in the league 16 years. Back here - on Earth - Thorton's agent continues to taunt said managemdnt via Twitter. All in the name of love, of course.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:28 pm EST

MF: SJ doesn't need a center depth or otherwise, and despite a near continuous assertion by some New York Rangers fans Thornton isn't leaving, forcing a trade or otherwise. He has signed a long term contract, management loves him, the fans love him and he is pretty much set. Stripping a C in San jose is pretty far from unprecedented. Unless something RADICAL were to occur we can just go ahead and once and for all cross Thornton off of our shopping list because he is about as available as Kreider is. And SJ dumped Boyle. They td him that they did not have the intention of re-signing him and we're going to move in a different direction? Why? My understanding is that he was the player that was part of the division in the locker room that was causing a disconnect. The fact that we was over 15 years older on a team of mostly young hotshots. And his skills were eroding so he became our new savior. The New York Rangers really are poor trading partners with SJ and we don't have what they want and we can't afford what we want.

E


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:25 pm EST

But with that...MSL should be willing to make a bit less...that is if winning a cup and keeping his family close to home is more important that a million or two more dollars.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:18 pm EST

RF4L: Cant discount the lower goal total for THIS season early nonbeing partly due to be out of position. ALSO MSL isn't just a goal scorer, he does other things, and he has done a lot of those things this season. Done forget, he is on pace for 51 assists, and again, playing out of position many games and for shifts in others. Lets see where he is at the end of the season and end of the playoffs than decide how much he is worth on a 1-2 year deal.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:12 pm EST

I wouldnt trade Kreider for Jesus.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:08 pm EST

mf: With 2 goals in 27 regular season games, MSL had better be prepared to take a pay cut. I like the guy, love his heart and one cannot argue his value to the Rangers during last year's surprising PO run, but I fear his Ranger career is unfolding like so many aging veterans first Smith and then Sather brought to NY. So much fanfare, so much anticipation, so much $$, so little accomplished. I sure hope I'm wrong.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:03 pm EST

mf: Who would you prefer straight up on your team - Kreider or Johansen. The latter is 7th overall in league scoring, despite missing his team's entire training camp, which puts him on pace for 115 point season. I like Kreider a lot but choosing between those 2 is a no-brainer for me. I suspect to get Johansen (and I maintain he's not available anyways) you'd have to offer up Kreider and Stepan, at a minimum.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 1:02 pm EST

RE: MSL: Don't think he wants to put himself nor his family through being a great distance apart again. We heard it last year that it was a strain on his family life & marriage... I could see a guy like this giving us the home town discount of $3mill per, one year at a time... IMO, $3mill for MSL next year is a good deal for both parties....

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:49 pm EST

RE: Bloated aging Vet contracts: Dan Boyles 2yr $4.5mill contract irks the heck out of me... $3mill per on a two year deal for a 38 y/o is plenty..... If San Jose would take Boyle back in exchange for Joe Thornton, I'm listening... "IF" a depth defenseman (for us) and a depth centerman (for them) need to be included to make it work, I'm listening...... I'd also want them to eat any dollar differential in the trade for the 1st year.

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:33 pm EST

Weak at D? Hard to say that. McD, Staal and Giradi would be in the top for of all but a few NHL teams. Depth is an issue for every NHL team when it comes to Dmen. Center is a problem for sure...but its hard to say D is a "real" problem when it comes to individuals.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:33 pm EST

Think we whine? Tune into a Montreal or Pittsburg game lately? We're not even close... The last true whining session around here was the officiating in the SCF's, ie: interfering with Hank of which was accurate and a blown call by the ref's

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:29 pm EST

RF: We do have a player to trade for Johansen, his name is Kreider.... There are more power forwards than top line centers, does anyone here make that trade? I would

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:24 pm EST

Why does financial strength matter? There is no salary cap on scouts, other support functions, and so on. When there was no cap, they spent $100 Million and still sucked with this GM. Now, they got to the finals last year so credit for that is appropriate. My point is that with all that has happened, they are so very thin at center and on defense that one injury scrambles everything. I believe that all sorts of things fell into place last year during the playoff run. The organization does not have the depth to handle any significant injuries, and are weak at 2 important positions.

Bob


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:21 pm EST

One more fact; Thorton 2nd among ALL NHL centers last year in assists. That's what matter. PASSES. Not age, not salaries, not trade chips. That stuff would get worked out. And Im 50-50 on the idea myself LOL. But its funny to seriously suggest the dude wouldn't help. That he wants to be here counts for something too. But that's just for the fat retirement contract, right? The contract which is guaranteed to him, no matter what. The one he already signed LOL. Don't think JT cares much about money at this point. But the last few years of his career? I know id care.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:09 pm EST

JFC, perfectly put but hahaha...IDK what to say. He gets a bug up his ass about a player and out it comes! LOL. And it so perfectly fits the bloated vet template, it's just irresistible for some, regardless of the facts. FACT, as in only 6 NHL centers had more points than Thorton last year. As in he had MORE points than Malkin, Toews, McKinnon, Tavares, Duschene, Staal, and Kopitar, to name a few. Oh, let me not forget; AND ALL OF OUR CENTERS!!! LOL. But those points must've come in garbage time & losing efforts cause he's a loser baby! LOL

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:04 pm EST

I highly doubt Johansen is going anywhere. He's a legitimate franchise building block, the likes of which the BJs haven't had since Rick Nash joined their organization. The outcry in Columbus if they traded him to NY for something like Staal and Brassard would be deafening. He gets moved only if another franchise type player is coming the other way, of which the Rangers currently do not own, save for the King who's possibility of being moved is about on par with Johansen's in the first place. All that said, I get the allure of envisioning Johansen in a Ranger uniform - he's exactly what this team is lacking and the type of player Sather has yet to even remotely find since coming to NY.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:59 am EST

MF, here's AV today on R-L for PP like we pondered the other day; "On the PP units, “we only have a certain amount of right handed shots and sometimes for them to be effective you need to overload on one side, a lot of our PP, in my estimation has more to do with execution instead of right handers vs left handers. We need to be sharper and quicker and we will see what happens tonight.”

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:49 am EST

td -- utterly predictable like your opinion on Nash? Right now, that opinion ain't holding any water....he's leading the league in goals. And you're forgetting about the animus between SJ and Thornton, and Thornton's brother/agent and Thornton's NTC....that make it a different ballgame when you talk about the "fact" that other teams are so much of a better fit. I'll bet so many other teams were a better fit for MSL but his NTC FORCED a trade to the Rangers....because that's the nly place he'd accept a trade to. When you strip a guy of his "C" in the NHL it does not indicate a player who is wanted by his club. If they want to get rid of him, the price might not be as high as you are predicting. Again, if SJ is not doing well and Thornton is the scapegoat, the GM might dump him to save his own ass by blaming it on Thornton and saying, "Hell, we just saved alot of cap space and we can now retool a winner now that scapegoat Thornton is gone." But, it will have to be to a team that Thornton approves. Yes, it's quite possible we don't get him, but not as improbable as you make it out to be. Also, the desire for Thornton is not simply for his chemistry with Nash....the only proof of that was in one series. The desire is caused by the fcat that he is still one of the elite playmakers in this league, he would be our best center. He doesn't need "chemistry" to do what he does best....he is a brilliant playmaker and he'd increase our scoring output at ES and on the PP. Your hatred of this guy stems largely from your proclamation that he is a "loser" because he's had such strong teams and didn't win a Cup. Well, being a Rangers fan and having watched all these years, I guess you consider Eddie Giacomin, Jean Ratelle, Brad Park, Rod Gilbert, Anders Hedberg, Ulf Neilson, etc., etc., etc.....all "losers?" They played on some pretty damn strong teams and never won. Losers?

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:48 am EST

JD was pretty ticked about Johansen tactics. May want to move him like Sather did Dubinsky

Messier11


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:48 am EST

Rangers could afford Johansson rather easily. Say 4 legit pieces. Hayes, SJkei, DuClair and a pick, just for example. NOW, I was just about to say, what a complete waste of time even typing his name as potential trade fodder. Ridiculous. and it probably is. However, every once in a while teams and players go through contentious negotiations, and afterward, everything isn't all good. Just saying, it happens. Highly Highly HIGHLY doubt it'd ever be seriously discussed at top levels, let alone come to fruition. But could we afford it? Sure. Should we if the opp every presented itself? ABSOLUTELY. Kid is a lights out big young center. Alas, we're in the market for a bloated vet LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:47 am EST

J.Thornton's Play-off stats are at the bottom of this link. 132 g/p, 24goals, 76assists, 100pts, .76 pts p/g...... He's also -27 in the playoffs...... @ 6.75mill p/y with two more years after this one, & so early in this season, keep window shopping..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?39

mf


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:28 am EST

Mess: I doubt Johansen (sp) is going anyplace...and it would be far to costly for the rangers to get him.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:23 am EST

Can see them going for wisniewski or tyutin. They'd have to retain salary or take back significant contract. Could even see Staal, Brassard being involved if someone like Johansen is in play.

Messier11


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:16 am EST

Another thing, somewhat I think we struggle early again because our roster isn't yet really AV's roster. While it has changed a lot the last 2 years, especially our blueline are more the stubborn warrior types than a dynamic puckmoving blueline with some snarl to it like AV had in Vancouver. Especially with Strålman gone and Boyle injured. But I think things are better now than 2 weeks ago in this regard, I think our biggest problem against MTL was the size of our 2nd line and Hayes below avg play at center.

Ola


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:13 am EST

Kitchen- Thx, and you make a good point too for sure. I think many are a bit upset that we still are an inconsistent team, and have been for such a long time. It don't feel like many of the other contenders constantly worry if they will make the POs or not, but with this team it always feels like you are walking a fine line...

Ola


Mon Oct 27 2014 11:05 am EST

Ryan Malone is skating with one of the Rangers PP units at the morning skate today and Chris Kreider has been taken off. (Larry Brooks) Henrik Lundqvist will start in goal. (Steve Zipay) Kevin Hayes has also been taken off while John Moore is on a PP unit. (Pat Leonard). ..... Some Messier coaching the Oilers rumors again. But EDM has won 3 straight.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:56 am EST

Mess: I was wondering the same thing. Moore is not signed, and may be asking for the moon. Also, Klein is sign at 2.9 per. Now. If the people I know saying McIlrath is ready are correct, and the team also thinks so, perhaps one of the Dmen, like Klein, will be moved and the less expensive McIlrath with replace him. That could allow the Rangers to trade a vet Dman (or a young Dman in Moore) for a center, even if it was "just" a really good 3rd line C.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:53 am EST

We don't play LA or CBJ this or next month. I see Moore or Klein being available. I think we are still gunning for a top C and a D. We're deep at wing.

Messier11


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:50 am EST

The Rangers can never be accused of not using every financial resource that they have for the betterment of the club.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:39 am EST

And even in a cap environment, financial strength can and does mean something in that there are plenty of teams that stay well under the cap, meaning some contracts are simply out of bounds for them. The Rangers can afford and when they have cup aspirations should be spending to the max, being common sensical of course (in that they need to leave some room for roster moves as the deadline looms).

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:37 am EST

Wild: McIRather - maybe that's a Freudian slip as in AV would McIRather he play in the AHL!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:27 am EST

Bob: Was about to ask...what does the Budget of the Rangers have to do with anything? There is a CAP, and contract rules, and the like that make it an even playing field financially.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:25 am EST

Bob, with all due respect. What does the financial strength of the team have to do with anything?

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:23 am EST

Not a ringing endorsement of Nash? Sure I like this season's Nash so far. I hope he plays this way the entire season. Our center scenario is such that a kid who was a Hobey Baker finalist as a winger and a 28YO journeyman are in the top 4. Unlimited budget, making money hand over fist and that is the state of the Rangers. That's where they are. I am not worried abut them being a good team. I just don't see the cup here without some sort of upgrade there.

Bob


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:19 am EST

Say that 5 times fast. LOL

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:18 am EST

Ola, I hear you and you are without question extremely knowledgeable. However, the loser monikers are just ludicrous.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:17 am EST

Just thought I'd add this: According to your logic, that makes Mike Gartner a loser as well.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:16 am EST

kitchen1- I don't think anyone will object, we are probably the biggest whiners out there. I think its part of a terror balance, everyone here have different favorites on the team and philosopys as to how the team should play. When we try to be civalized someone is always upset because a number of different postes happens to think that someone's favorite player sucks or something like that. When everyone complains on every player on the team all the time, the wall reaches inner peace. ;)

Ola


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:16 am EST

McIlrather? Don't know how I came up with that one !

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:14 am EST

RF4L: McIlrather has foot speed very much like Giradi, and AV has ZERO issue with his. Granted, he may be concerned with it since he is still working on positional stuff, and what 20 something Dman isn't doing that, save a few all world types that come along, and even they struggle with positioning at the NHL level to some extent. But from people who see him a lot, they feel he could step in and not hurt the team, so maybe its time to do that. AV might also be worried about brining in a kid to a back line that is struggling. Maybe he will feel better about it if the top pair at least settles down. Than that will bring some stability feeling to the D.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:13 am EST

Discussing....umm...no...they are whining like sophomoric girls who weren't felt up at the prom by their dates. To call professional players "losers" is just downright absurd. Joe Thornton is a loser? WTF have you accomplished in professional sports?

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:10 am EST

WIld: Re McI`s pending recall. I sure hope you`re right - I just get the feeling that AV doesn`t like his footspeed and at this point in his career, it`s not likely to get better. It sounds like his positional play still needs a little work, but from what I`ve seen in too many games so far this season, that describes at least half of the current Ranger backline!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:08 am EST

kitchen: Take a look in the mirror dude: You're doing lots of whining about the perceived whiners and Monday AM quarterbacks. Those you are painting with that rather broad brush of yours are at least discussing the team, its holes and possible solutions. You, on the other hand, are whining about the folks that post on here. Perhaps you should simply stop reading if it makes you whine so much!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:03 am EST

I'm certainly not proclaiming to be the boss.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 10:01 am EST

How come NONE of these concerns or speculations were brought up PRIOR to the season? I've been following the Rangers since 1973 and although I am new to this board, I have NEVER heard a such a bunch of whiners when discussing hockey. It seems that Rabid is one of the few non-whiners..Just voicing my opinion, that's all.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:59 am EST

TD: You`d trot out the `I told ya so`line....nahhh...not you!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:59 am EST

St Louis told Renaud Lavoie he wants to play another year or two and his wish is for it to be with the Rangers. My wish is it isn't. In fact , St Louis is the guy we should deal for Thornton!! No brainer; we've got too many RWs and not enough centers. Msl would have to consent I believe and probably wouldnt. Maybe after we don't pick up his option LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:58 am EST

RF4L: The Rangers have the player to bring that snarl to the Blueline. And more and more I hear things about him looking ready for the NHL. Seems they are just trying to get him tons of ice time while he is healthy and really playing well. I would be shocked if we don't see McIlrath at some point this year. Was wondering why they didn't bring him up when Boyle went down....turns out it was rather simple. They wanted a more offensive minded Dman, and McIlrath is not that. I think if it was Staal or Giradi who went down they would have at least thought more about him, at the same time however, they hadn't started playing yet, and its over the last week or so that he has stood out to people I know who watch a lot of hockey there. Doesn't mean they couldn't use two guys like that on the back end....but its there for them if they really want it right now.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:58 am EST

kitchen: Who died and made you the wall boss....

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:57 am EST

RF4L - I wouldn't go berserk. I'd simply watch along with the rest of you has the utterly predictable would happen. And then when we're sitting here in 2016 wondering why the team sucks so bad, I'd simply say I TOLD YOU SO.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:52 am EST

I'm not familiar with Prout at all, Rf, couldnt say. Looked him up, big dude, 150-something overall.RHd, if he's mean and cheap I'd take him. THORTON, to be clear, said many times he doesn't shoot near enough for me, goals totals way down. But to deny what he would add to this team is nuts. Not worried about his age at all. He can still play, and he's not staying here that long LOL. Salary no worry either. sather makes that shit work.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:50 am EST

Erixon?? Yeah, that's the answer. Like I said yesterday, enough of the Monday morning quarterbacking. Maybe some of you need to get l--d more often. ; )

kitchen1


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:47 am EST

BTW, add another intriguing element to the notion of Jumbo Joe becoming a Ranger: Watching TD go berserk!

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:46 am EST

RR and Wild: Could the Rangers have interest in Dalton Prout wonder. Big and physical, he would bring to the backline what they don't have: Some snarl. He`s played 6 of the BJs` 8 games and I don`t know if that`s because he`s been hurt or benched.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:43 am EST

TD, you're a fucking pisser. An accomplished center (who wouldve led us in points by a mile) with size; who can win some damn faceoffs; we don't need one of those? Lol. Wild, you asked me, gave you my opinion. You don't like Boll I guess, that's fine. I like some goonery. Sue me.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:42 am EST

TD: Again, keep in mind my concerns about chasing JJ, but how about some actual names when you say there are a myriad of other centers the Rangers should be pursuing. And just so you know - my intrigue about him has nothing to do with Nash; instead, it`s about a possible, realistic (in terms of availability and desire to come to NY) answer to the center ice mess that Sather has had 12+ years to address and has yet to do so.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:40 am EST

Wild: I only used the term bloated vet in response to TD`s description of Jumbo Joe. MSL and Dan Boyle as just as bloated and veteran like as Thornton is is my point. Thornton had 76 points last year, more than any other Ranger. He currently has 9, which would put him a tie for first for the Rangers. I`d argue he`s less bloated than either Boyle or MSL and for sure he`s less veteran (he`s 35 and those 2 dudes are 38).

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:39 am EST

Bob - That's not really a ringing endorsement of NASH if Thornton comes here and is the best forward...

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:38 am EST

Boll...really. Wow...he might be the only player in CBus that can have LESS impact on the ice than Glass. He doesn't PK as well (if at all) hits far less, and has barely played in the last 3 seasons. He is a 4th line goon. CBus has muscle you say, but if you look at their roster, the Rangers have just as much up front. What would you offer for Boll, a 5th, or wait a 4th just to be sure they can't say no.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:36 am EST

Alright. I'll make a prediction: Joe Thornton won't ever wear a Ranger uniform. Ever. Sorry to piss in everyone's jumbo shrimp ramen, but that's the truth. I don't know what this wall's infatuation with this jerkoff is. There are literally dozens of other centers that are younger, would cost as much and would be a better fit than him. The ONLY reason why people keep bringing up Shrimper is because of this mystery chemistry he has with NASH and some off comments he made last summer. But literally, there's nothing about Joe Thornton and the Rangers that are a good fit, other than the fact that he's an accomplished center with size.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:32 am EST

RF4L: Sometimes the best moves are the moves you don't make. This team will make the playoffs as constructed. It will go far in the playoffs it they are playing well in the Spring. As always, it will come down to how well HANK is playing. They proved they didn't need a guy like THORNTON last year. The core of this team is the same from last year. Yes, they lost some very important role players but they didn't lose the core of the guys that carried them deep in the playoffs. It is early. There are young players on this roster that have the ability to bring as much or more then what they lost. Once this team starts playing on all cylinders they all will look collectively better. And, while I do think a player like THORNTON can help them this year I have always been a long term guy. Bringing in THORTON this year means the Rangers are going to be a team that has no chance to compete for a Cup in a just a few short years with guys like McDONAGH, KREIDER, etc. wasting away in their prime. No Thanks. That downside is a guarantee. It will come because THORNTON will continue to drop off and the Rangers will be without the prospects, picks and cap space to do anything about it. And, there are no guarantees that he helps the Rangers even make it back to the Conference Finals. In terms of risk vs. reward it is a HORRIBLE, INSANE gamble. Which, of course, attracts SATHER like a dog to bacon.

Vic


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:31 am EST

The age concern is valid. The expensive contract concern is valid. The choke label applies, although it took an entire squad of Sharks to blow a 3-0 lead last year. However, if we woke up tomorrow and Jumbo was a Ranger, he would be the most talented and skillful forward on the club, not to mention the top center. The Sharks have Pavelski playing the wing, so they could move Thornton if they really wanted to. I don't think they do, and if they do they could get more than the Rangers can afford from another club. Mike Richards is a 4th line center at big bucks. Stay away.

Bob


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:31 am EST

RF4L: I think you need to separate your hatred of the price paid for MSL and the player himself. Bloated vet? What's bloated about a guy who has 6 points in 8 games when half of more of those he played out of position at center? You we obsessed with TBL winning the lottery with the Rangers pick. Even if the Rangers miss the playoffs they won't be a team with more than a 2.5% chance. But you seemingly would rather have that chance than a chance at the cup. It's very odd.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:29 am EST

Wild, the guy I like from CBJs is Jared Boll, real tough RW, can play some. Longest tenured CBJ, not sure he moves. I'm always liked Foligno, doubt he moves either. Who knows? Rangers supposedly liked Atkisson(as do I), not muscle, smallish fast forward. Damn near got his eye gashed out in that game. But I didn't even check, are we playing one of those teams soon ? Lol. The need part is where it gets tricky. We're stacked on the right side already. So purely speculative on my part. One thing I could see, and I'm hesitant cause I see TD all geared up for a JT hatefest LOL, but I don't know how long Ryan Malone is here if AV really isn't sold on him. TOTALLY dumb IMO if so. Malone can FINISH, something AVs not realizing right now. malone had some nifty finishes in pre-season, and its still a weakness for us, plus we can't afford to lose any size. But if for instance SJ wanted to replace some of Thorton'sn size, get an NHLer with a nice resume in the deal, same age, I could see a deal along the lines of Malone, JT Miller (or Lindberg, doubt we give up Hayes)and a mid-pick. SJ eats 50% salary year one. Year two, we cut MSL loose and thats how we fit Thornton in next year. Anyway, if we dealt Malone I could see us looking for Clifford or a Stoll. TD, Thorton has a full NMC he intends to use.Just look at his brother's tweets.His brother is his agent. There is bad blood there. I've typed his for your benefit before. SJ can't deal JT to 29 other teams because he won't let them.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:29 am EST

Wildcard - I don't get it. So you're agreeing with me...that Thornton coming here is highly unlikely...and yet you're focusing on the fact that I rightly call him a LOSER...yeah, plenty of great players retired without a cup...It just so happens that Shrimper has played on some incredible teams and hasn't been able to power any of them over the top. That, my friend, is a very telling fact....Acentuated by another...that Boston managed to trade him, got nothing really in return and then built a cup winner within six years of that deal...coincidence? Maybe. Then again, maybe not. And yet he's the new messiah here...now that he's into the twilight of his career...now that he's slowing down...now that he has a retirement contract...HE is going to be the one to bring a cup to New York? HA. Let's try a little realism. If the Rangers are going to trade what San Jose is looking for...and just to clarify, we're talking something like DUCLAIR, MILLER and a first-rounder...in fact, I'm not even sure if that would do it...they'd probably want KREIDER...for Joe Thornton. And I'm the guy who's crazy here?

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:28 am EST

TD: Cant believe the BJs would move Foligno, although I`d like him in NY. He left last night`s game on a stretcher BTW - concussion I think.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:25 am EST

I don't think HAYES a is less responsible on D, that implies he doesn't go as hard on D. He is however very unpolished on D, and needs to learn a lot to be good in that area at the NHL level. But I have yet to think during a game that he isn't hustling on D and trying to help out. In that respect however Muller at this time is better in that area....

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:21 am EST

On Columbus...I just can't see who would be a good fit there...re-aquiring ERIXON is a thought, but he's also a leftie shot...and ANISIMOV...I just can't see the Jackets parting with him at this point, especially with DUBINSKY shelved...Just a thought...but Cody GOLOUBEF, a kid who had some promise...who also played two seasons with McDONAGH and STEPAN at UWisconsin...right-handed D-man...he could be a target. I know he hasn't been able to find regular minutes in the Jackets lineup...personally, I would ask them what they want for FOLIGNO. He would be another perfect fit with the Rangers...but I don't think they're moving him any time soon.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:21 am EST

Ooops....hit spray prematurely (and 3 times to boot). Meant to add that just because I feel JJ would, arguably, be the Rangers number 1 center, doesn`t mean I`m all for his acquisition. I loath his contract, the fact that adding him means the roster now has 3 bloated aging veterans, and the concern that Sather would cough up more draft picks and prospects (something the organization cannot afford to do - watching Jitters and Hayes and Mike Kostka play is proof enough of that).

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:19 am EST

Ignite should be Iginla

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:18 am EST

TD: Sather traded for a bloated aging vet last year and coughed up 2 firsts to do so. Then he signed another bloated, aging vet over the summer. He's convinced, IMO, that he has a valid cup contending team and is now probably watching in dismay how much the absence of Stepan AND Brad Richards is negatively impacting that vision. Not for a second do I believe he isn't entertaining the notion of adding Jumbo J - if anything, it's the cap hit that's making things difficult for him. I'm not predicting it, but I won't at all be surprised if Thornton is wearing a Ranger uniform by the trading deadline. I also don't believe he wouldn't help. To think otherwise is just down right silly IMO. He's better than Hayes and Miller combined. He's better than Brassard. And he's probably better than Stepan, especially an out of shape Stepan.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:18 am EST

TD: Sather traded for a bloated aging vet last year and coughed up 2 firsts to do so. Then he signed another bloated, aging vet over the summer. He's convinced, IMO, that he has a valid cup contending team and is now probably watching in dismay how much the absence of Stepan AND Brad Richards is negatively impacting that vision. Not for a second do I believe he isn't entertaining the notion of adding Jumbo J - if anything, it's the cap hit that's making things difficult for him. I'm not predicting it, but I won't at all be surprised if Thornton is wearing a Ranger uniform by the trading deadline. I also don't believe he wouldn't help. To think otherwise is just down right silly IMO. He's better than Hayes and Miller combined. He's better than Brassard. And he's probably better than Stepan, especially an out of shape Stepan.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:18 am EST

TD: Sather traded for a bloated aging vet last year and coughed up 2 firsts to do so. Then he signed another bloated, aging vet over the summer. He's convinced, IMO, that he has a valid cup contending team and is now probably watching in dismay how much the absence of Stepan AND Brad Richards is negatively impacting that vision. Not for a second do I believe he isn't entertaining the notion of adding Jumbo J - if anything, it's the cap hit that's making things difficult for him. I'm not predicting it, but I won't at all be surprised if Thornton is wearing a Ranger uniform by the trading deadline. I also don't believe he wouldn't help. To think otherwise is just down right silly IMO. He's better than Hayes and Miller combined. He's better than Brassard. And he's probably better than Stepan, especially an out of shape Stepan.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:18 am EST

WILDCARD: Yes, I pretty much see it the same way. Getting those guys back will make the team better in a number of ways but the measure for that should not be direct production from those players. The question for the Rangers right now is between HAYES and MUELLER. Who stays up with the team when STEPAN comes back. In either case I think whoever stays will stay with NASH and KREIDER for a few weeks until STEPAN finds his game. STEPAN will probably play with MSL and HAGS. It could be that this decision is made for AV by the way those two play in the remaining games prior to STEPAN's return. MUELLER is a more experienced and polished player. He is good on draws and is creative on the PP. He plays a defensively responsible game. He is a good player but not spectacular. There isn't much more upside then what you see. HAYES, on the other hand, is a raw and inexperienced player. He is much bigger then MUELLER, He has a poise with the puck that is well beyond his years, and well beyond the ability that MUELLER will ever possess. HAYES struggles on draws and isn't as defensively responsible as MUELLER. However, HAYES' upside is HUGE. He already has NHL playmaking ability that is light years ahead of MUELLER will ever be. With continued playing experience and physical maturity he has the potential to be a impact Center. The question is which way will the Rangers lean? I contend that as long as the season is young and the Rangers are in the thick of things they will continue to give HAYES the opportunity to grow into the player they hope he can become at the NHL level. If, on the other hand, we get into the second half of the season things could be different. If the Rangers are fighting for that last playoff spot and HAYES isn't developing at the pace they had hoped I could see the Rangers bringing up MUELLER (or even LINDBERG) to be that 3rd line Center for the remainder of the season.

Vic


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:17 am EST

td: 1, even a team with TONS of cap space will NOT pay that and take the entire salary, so that isn't a realistic view. Well, not now, at the deadline it might....but not now. As for the rest of that. I can go out and find plenty of NHL players that had HOF type careers, and had ZERO cups. Or Guys who played a LONG time before winning one. I don't think it was just Thorton in Boston, Borque played there MANY years and didn't get a cup until he went to the AVS. You telling me that HE was a loser as well? Ryan Miller LOSER!, Peter Bondra LOSER! Ignite LOSER! Roenick LOSER! The Sedans LOSERS! Turgeon LOSER! Kariya LOSER! Tkachuk LOSER! Bure LOSER! Housley LOSER! Oats LOSER! Dionne LOSER!! Kinda silly calling all those guys losers....I am SURE you have a legit reason for all of them of course...reasons that by some happenstance don't apply to JumboJoe

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:13 am EST

And re: RICHARDS...I'm not opposed to him...I'd rather trade for him than Jumbo Shrimp...but if I'm not mistaken, LA just had KOPITAR go down...and if I'm LA's GM, I keep Richards because he seems to be the only thing that keeps Jeff CARTER scoring at a feverish pace...One guy I COULD see the Rangers looking into is Jarret STOLL...guy used to have top-line talent...been to the cup finals three times...had two rings...is killer in the faceoff circle and is a UFA next spring. He would fit on this team in a very major way.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:10 am EST

Vic: I don't disagree with your concerns about Boyle and Stepan. You poo-poo the 2 possible solutions for the latter (with merit I should add); got any answers? If not, then you are implying the problems being experienced currently may not go away and if so, we get to watch with giant trepidation the drop of the pingpong balls as we wait to see if Tampa gets to draft Connor McDavid (imagine that - Stamkos, Hedman, Droiun and McDavid - geeeesh).

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:05 am EST

OK fine. Let's get past the FACT Thornton captained one of the most epic chokes in NHL history(up three-zip, lost four games)...Let's blame that all on...say NIEMI...and ignore the fact that he actually has the cup ring that has eluded Shrimper his whole career...what part of 35-year-old center with a gigantic, long-term contract who will likely cost a roster player, a top prospect AND a first-round draft pick they already don't have...what part of that do you guys like? Do tell.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:02 am EST

Rabid: I wonder what you mean by "muscle" Just curious what players CBus has that you think 1- they would part with 2-would fill the need you see.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 9:00 am EST

RF4L - Oh I've mentioned both those things before...and the reality is(as our resident Shark observer has mentioned in the recent past), the Rangers and the Sharks just have very little they can/would share with one another to make such a deal happen...first would be the Rangers would need the Sharks to eat some of Jumbo Shrimp's contract...not gonna happen, when the Sharks could simply trade him to one of the other 28 teams that don't have cap issues...and that they're very unlikely trade partners, since the Rangers really don't have the players the Sharks would need...and yes indeed, I'm anti-THORNTON. One of the smartest moves the Bruins ever made was drop kicking him to the opposite corner of the country...and while that deal landed them nothing of significance, Shrimper's departure gave them the space and latitude to build a cup winner...something that clearly wasn't happening with him in the lineup...That's one of the other reasons I say this guy is a loser. Good player? Yes. But c'mon. A career that long...that many points...and yet no cup? Me thinks there's a common thread here. And I don't see it changing if he ends up a Ranger...trading for him would be a return to the way this team was run back in the early 2000s...trade for bloated aging vet...expect results that didn't happen elsewhere...mortgage future...lose...repeat.

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:59 am EST

Yes, SJ has underperformed in the PO's but you still can't judge what the addition of a single player like Thornton will do on a different team, in a different conference witha different supporting cast. There's no way to do that and have it make sense...every situation is different. Chemistry is a strange thing and if it exists with Thornton if he comes here, all the past performances are just that....past. Who knows what team may have gotten hot when SJ "choked"...how was SJs goaltending in those series?....sometimes that stuff just happens and there's no one thing to put your finger on to explain it. To me, it's obvious that Thornton would be a big upgrade to our center corps.....not sure how anyone can dispute that but se la vie.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:58 am EST

VIC: From what I have seen, they expect the Boyle of last season or close to it. When he had 36 points, with 6 G and 12A coming on the PP. He was 3rd on the Sharks in pp goals, and like 7th overall in scoring in all situations. Also, the "they will be fine" stuff is partly true. There are at least 2 players playing over their head right now, thats due to a center and a top 4 D being out. The other 3 of the top 4 are being used more each game due to the PP point man (Boyle) being out and they have to step in, along with playing the PK and 5 on 5. SO with Boyle coming back it means a little less ice time of Giradi and McD, and Staal. (Gird most since he wasn't on the PP at all at the end of camp, it was McD and Boyle for the most part) Stepan coming back will have the same type of triple effect. AV is using 3 centers a lot because the kid Hayes, while looking good most of the time, struggles in some areas as rookies do, so that puts more pressure on the other 3 and makes Moore a 3rd line center (more like a 2nd at times) With Stepan even if he is in a 3rd line role on paper, will take some pressure off and let AV roll 4 lines more often and let Moore go back and be a above average 4th line center, instead of an average run of the mill 3rd line center. Its not just what those two bring themselves, its how it effects the other players on the ice. With those two back, and once they get up to game speed and get going as normal, we will see other players look better even if they are not on the ice together. Cant discount the mental aspect of it either. SO much about sports is mental, if Boyle coming back makes them THINK they will do better on the PP, they will just go out and react instead of thinking, and the PP will look better...maybe not score more, but it will at east look stronger.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:53 am EST

Vic -- I agree that Stepan will not be at his best for at least a month. But, he's still a better option not in prime condition than anything else we have available so it will improve our team.

JFC31


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:51 am EST

Vic, I'm not among those agreeing its hands-down that SJ had a better supporting cast. We've got a helluva team! And people can call the Sharks choke artists all they want.I suppose they are to a degree. But I always view that west conference as just brutal to get out of. We had some trouble with it recently too, as you might remember. And none of these 'helpers' like Boyle or Thornton need to be saviors. Just productive players.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:46 am EST

TD, the Rangers can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, IMO. But your reactions to the idea of Thornton as a Rangers are so visceral, I won't try to convince you otherwise lol. We all have our likes and dislikes among players. RF, doubt they go for a d-man with Boyle due back in a few weeks. They might be looking at CBJs for some muscle, which we need and they have a lot of. We looked at LA's Clifford in the past too.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:41 am EST

I also wanted to address the comments that the Rangers will be fine when they get STEPAN and BOYLE back. Frankly, I don't see that at all. BOYLE isn't a great player anymore. I wasn't enamored with the signing at the time and I don't think he helps the Rangers that much even on the PP when he comes back. Time will tell but I just don't see him as some kind of savior at this stage of his career. I just have this feeling that Ranger fans think they are getting the BOYLE of 10 years ago. As for STEPAN, I can't see how he is going to be a factor at any point in 2014. I don't think he finds his conditioning and timing until January. He just started light skating. Once he gets back in the lineup (and who knows when that will be) I think you need to give him a solid six weeks before you expect much consistency out of him. As for other options, NO TO RICHARDS and NO TO THORNTON. The former is a shadow of the player that people remember from Filthadelphia. He doesn't fit in this system or on this roster. The latter is way too old to invest any assets in. And, as other have already mentioned THORNTON through his prime with much better talent around him hasn't been able to elevate that team to win the Cup. Why would he be able to do it here as a much lesser player with a lesser supporting cast?

Vic


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:32 am EST

I wanted to sleep on the loss on Saturday before posting and I'm glad I did. Look, the Rangers played like crap pretty much from the top to bottom of the roster. There were a few decent performances but not really much worth mentioning. Given the history of the team in that building in the Regular Season I wasn't surprised at all. I don't think anyone should overreact after one game win or lose. I think a more important measuring stick will be the game tonight coming off the bad performance on Saturday. If the Rangers rebound and play well you write off the bad game. They happen. But, if the Rangers come out and play another stinker tonight and the same guys keep struggling there could be some changes. HAYES, in particular, needs to bounce back tonight or risk going back to Hartford. Please don't expect every game for him to be another step on a steady climb to greatness. It doesn't work that way. He, like everyone else, is going to have bad games from time to time. He is going to go through down stretches like everyone. What is important is how he responds and keeps working and fighting through it. The same goes for DUCLAIR. If you are going to keep these guys here then the Rangers need to have patience with them and allow them to grow. Allow them to have the normal ups and downs and help them mentally with how to be a pro and play through it. Patience folks. It is a long season. You don't win the Cup in October. You can get yourself eliminate from the playoffs by a horrible start to a season but the Rangers haven't done that so far. Their start last year was much much worse and they rebounded just fine. They are a .500 team struggling to find their game. They will at some point and they will go on a run. I'd rather have them playing their best hockey at the end of the season then at the beginning. Lets see how Montreal is playing in April. I'm not nearly as high on that team as a lot of folks are.

Vic


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:21 am EST

TD: LOL....your dislike of Jumbo Joe is well-known on here. And amusing. That said, I do understand your concerns - I share them, although not to same degree. My biggest concern with JJ is his age and contract.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 8:11 am EST

E any first hand comments on San Jose?

stevielegs


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:55 am EST

So let me get this straight: THORNTON and BOYLE played six seasons together in San Jose in the prime of their careers with what most would consider a better and deeper supporting cast than what we have in New York...yet they never went beyond the conference finals...and on stacked teams actually had two of the most epic chokes this side of the 2004 lockout...and somehow they're gonna come here...in the twilight of their careers...and put the Rangers over the top to win a cup?!? I mean, while we're talking to the San Jose Choke Artists, maybe we can get grab MARLEAU too...NABOKOV. Hell, we could talk to Anahiem about HEATLEY...I mean it worked for the Sharks right?

tdchi


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:55 am EST

RR: The rumours lately are that the Rangers are seeking a defenseman (vs where I think they have a bigger gap - center ice). Tim Erixon is playing regularly with the BJs - could he be on the Rangers radar?? LA have 7 d-men on their roster, but one is suspended indefinitely.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:37 am EST

Could be RF. Isnt Dubinsky, he's out. Anisimov wouldnt shock me, fits AV & they really didnt want to deal him. Doubt CBJs would do that though. Richards is a good guess (and a not-so-hot choice). But again, if remarkably NONE of the kids stick, not much choice but to go shopping.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:23 am EST

RR: Could the Ranges be looking at Mike Richards of the Kings? They were on the fence last summer on whether or not to buy him out. He's got a hefty deal (just under $6,000,000 for each of the next 5 years (after this season) and lining up as the team's 4th line center....

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:21 am EST

mf: I concur with you - the Wild are no pushovers.

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:19 am EST

Rick Kehoe scouting LA-CBJs for Rangers.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 27 2014 7:14 am EST

Lead story on the Post's sports page is 'Enough is Enough: It's Time to Fire Rex'. Talk about getting right to the point. I follow the NHL close enough to understand where the sentiment is coming from, but my point in posting this isn't to comment on the state of the Jets; instead, to point out how obvious (yet again) it is that Dolans muzzles the media. Never have I've seen such a blatant demand (or anything close to that) from anyone media person associated with the Rangers, even thru Tortorella's last chaotic season and worse, during Sather's worse days (which lasted like 1/2 his tenure).

RF4L


Mon Oct 27 2014 6:00 am EST

York- Good post on FOs. Has anything changed with the rules in NA? What has caused the change that you describe? Rules here in Europe are different, but as an old center myself -- who also played quite alot of men's hockey when I was a teenager -- I never really had any problems "not" loosing a FO. I mean like just looking up the stick and then lounging into the other guy so that neither of us could win it clean. I am a bit suprised to see Hayes struggle as much as he is.

Ola


Mon Oct 27 2014 12:04 am EST

Next up:The Minnesota Wild (these aren't your father's Northstars) The Wild have allowed 6 goals in six games (Want to do the GA's p/g math St.Legs?) :-) and are getting a balanced offensive contribution throughout the lineup as well as playing good team defense.. Suter's been lugging a ton of ice time 26-29 minutes per........ IMO, if we bring the same effort that we brought yesterday, we're 0-2........ http://wild.nhl.com/club/stats.htm.......................http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/

mf


Sun Oct 26 2014 10:53 pm EST

RF4L--Man, my observation too. Jumbo Joe is a jerk, but he is a very good player. He made some wonderful plays, including the pass on the Pavelski goal. That team is stacked. They just choke in the playoffs.

Bob


Sun Oct 26 2014 10:18 pm EST

York: I see Skapski got the win/SO, but faced only 16 shots. It was his first start. His only previous experience was 2 nights ago when he came in relief of that giant sieve what's his crap and didn't let in a goal (meaning he's yet to let in an AHL regular season goal - lol). How did he look?

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 10:09 pm EST

Bob: Watched some of that game, too and yeah, agreed 100% that the linesmen jumping in early is a backhanded way of lessening the fighting aspect of the game. I'm not fan of Buttman, but the man isn't stupid. The negativity over allowing fighting is arguably, at an all time high - he won't risk outright banning it (and I suspect the old boys' network that remains strong in the NHL wouldn't allow it anyways) so he'll quietly implement other measures to reduce it. BTW, Jumbo Joe made like 3 passes the current set of Ranger centermen can only dream about in the game.

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 9:44 pm EST

San Jose. I am watching them play Anaheim.........so you will see some highlights because of the eruption on the ice caused by John Scott......but what has happened is in 3 other prior altercations, the linesmen jumped in to PREVENT the fight. 3 times. SO the announcers asked Rob Schick, supervisor of officials and he told them that this is a directive from the league to try to prevent head injuries. I guess with all the lawsuit stuff going on, this is the direction from Bettman and co.

Bob


Sun Oct 26 2014 9:21 pm EST

Not being negative I dont think in pointing this out; If certain current trends continue, could well have none (except maybe Mueller, and hes no kid) of the kids who camp to camp with a shot sticking with this team right now. Hayes & Duke on cusp, JT-Haggerty-Lindberg-McIlrath etc wolfpacked. And Lombardi left for europe. Who'd a thunk it. If that holds, trades are inevitable.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 7:41 pm EST

We definitely need to look at what transpires in San Jose....if they start doing badly, then Thornton is going to be the scapegoat, guaranteed. They've already stripped him of his captaincy, one of the most hurtful things you can do to any player. You'd be surprised what a beleaguered GM will do to save his own ass....including shipping out a guy like Thornton at a good price and blaming the whole mess on him. We would be very formidabl down the middle with Thornton and his playmaking ability would make MSL and Nash very, very dangerous. Think about that Hayes-MSL-Nash line and plug Thornton in there instead....WOW! I'll be rooting forbSJ to tank and hoping we can land him, because as stevie says, the Cup is all that matters at this point. I can't see us giving up the farm for Thornton if SJ tanks...he's got an NTC

JFC31


Sun Oct 26 2014 6:56 pm EST

By the way without msl they wouldn't have gotten to the finals and so too for Nash's 3 goals against the hab nots... The finals needed him to score and d Boyle and maybe jumbo joe... Coulld be a perfect storm this season....I don't care about picks as much as getting to the finals again... Nor do I miss the 3 in Tampa especially if the nyr get to the promised cup... Or the others in Columbus...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 26 2014 6:36 pm EST

Arc Boyle was signed to help the pp... Can't wait for that reality... Way too many games are lost because of not scoring on the pp....the nyr need an improved pp badly... I hope he gets it done when he returns.... If they scored one instead of giving up a shortie last night might have become a win.... It's a good way to payback when you're a soft team ... Otherwise you need a good pk..... Which is not where it should be yet either...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 26 2014 5:33 pm EST

Pack get the shutout tonight Mac looked good so did Allen kristo had a good game as did Lindberg miller looked like he's lost again horrible without the puck and tried too hard with it. If this kid wants a call up he better get his game without the puck together because the clock is going to start ticking on him soon. Ryan bourque played great all night.

York18


Sun Oct 26 2014 5:12 pm EST

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think if we're depending on Boyle to help cure this team, it's going to be a long ass season. He's def lost 2 steps and I think he's going to drag Staal's game down even more. I wonder if there would be any way to recoup that 1st rd pick or a legit center IF we decided to move MSL?

_Arc


Sun Oct 26 2014 5:08 pm EST

with sather's frame of mind, and if veenyo is on board, making a stab at jumbo joe with a possible salary reduction eating.....I'm on board to go for it all with msl, boyle et al......waiting for the centers that are here and in the ahl might take too long to get there......who they want and get in return will be a little painful.....but a sip from the cup eases that pain.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 26 2014 4:07 pm EST

RF4L -- I gotta believe that McD and Staal are going to come out of their slumps eventually. I don't think Boyle would make them any better right now....but, what he would do (hopefully) is make the PP click and that would help make up for weaknesses in other places....like poor play by the D leading to goals. Then, once our D comes out of their funk and Boyle is making the PP more effective....well, then we've got something very good.

JFC31


Sun Oct 26 2014 3:57 pm EST

Ribeiro's points in Nashville would make him second in scoring for Rangers right now, would've fit nicely post Step injury and addressed faceoff problems

Messier11


Sun Oct 26 2014 3:29 pm EST

TD: Buffalo is supposedly shopping Stewart and want (get this) a first and a legitimate prospect for him. Talk about over-pricing things! Geeesh...

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 2:52 pm EST

TDCHI, I like Fogarty as well & think you have a good point about him being under the radar- I went to a UND game vs Lake Superior State in South Bend last January & although he was being used mostly as a 3rd line center/penalty killer, he still scored 2 goals & in my layman's assessment looked to be very defensively responsible. Couple that with good size & I think he could certainly find himself in the mix in a few years. BTW, At that game I saw none other than Chris Pronger, who's son was in town for a tournament - the fact he's the NHL discipline Czar if beyond laughable

Newman


Sun Oct 26 2014 2:48 pm EST

Why did Chris McCarthy go from being one of last cut from Rangers camp to Greenville?

Messier11


Sun Oct 26 2014 2:42 pm EST

On another note: Caught a little of the Notre Dame game and a guy who has been all but forgotten in this org is really starting to come on this season...Steve FOGARTY now has seven points in eight games...scored his third goal of the season last night...6'3 212-pound right-handed centerman...playing first line...captaining the team. He could be a sleeper next year.

tdchi


Sun Oct 26 2014 2:36 pm EST

And for the love of god, let's just stop talking about THORNTON. Not going to happen. Ain't ever going to happen...and if it does, trust me when I say no one here will be happy about it, because it'll mean a boatload of talent will be going the other way.

tdchi


Sun Oct 26 2014 2:35 pm EST

RR - I did...but in STEWART'S case, the guy is on Buffalo's top line...One point in nine games? C'mon...I think the guy was HIGHLY overrated here...big guy who can pot goals always gets great accolades here...And for the record, I don't hate Stewart personally or as a player...I just don't think he's even half the player people here were describing him as...and I certainly didn't think he was a good return for CALLAHAN...I can tell you that if he was playing like he is in Buffalo here, he'd be the new whipping boy of the wall...overrated player...has his moments...and if the Sabres are willing to move him for...say KRISTO or HRIVIK straight up? Hell...why not? He'd make a nice addition to fourth line.

tdchi


Sun Oct 26 2014 2:20 pm EST

Can't remember the last time we won Saturday night in Montreal in the regular season other than that one when Talbot stole one for us...I don't look too much into last night's game...MTL was gonna come out really hard just cuz of last yr and I kinda expected a loss. The key is getting hot at the right time I'd rather get into our grove in the spring instead of the beginning of the year. Anyway, back to studying accounting...Can't wait till Step comes back and Zucc starts producing...

professa


Sun Oct 26 2014 1:53 pm EST

Hayes 3 of 12 on faceoffs last night btw. That means last two games he's 3-for-21. AV wont put up with that for long. And in that game he did look off the pace.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 1:40 pm EST

Td, wasnt it you who told me Thorton's #'s from SJ last year wouldnt automatically translate? While I think in JT's case, playing with Nash they probably would. But there's no telling what Stewart, a two-time 30-goal scorer, and 4-time 20 goal man, still just 27, would be doing on a line with say Brass & Zuc right now. And certainly not based on Buffalo and that anemic lineup. You dislike Stewart and Lord knows have made that as clear as anyone could lol. And I respect it. But vis a vis St Louis, phenomenal player but one I just didnt see fitting here, and he hasnt. Oddly enough, maybe the only way to get him goin is to import a Thorton (a 50/50 idea imo) and run 3 strong offensive centers deep. But its not what Id have done back to last year.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 1:36 pm EST

And for anyone wondering what's up with the defense...well, when you have an AHL lifer swapping on and off with an NCAA player who hasn't played center in two or three years...well...that puts a lot of pressure on your D...I'm still not quite sure what's going on with this HAYES-at-center experiment. To me, it's probably about as effective as Marty St. LOUIS at center...Don't think Hayes needs to go to the AHL...I think he's fine in New York...but he should be on wing...MILLER should get the recall...I'd slide BRASSARD up with KREIDER and NASH, then have Mills slide between MSL and ZUCC. Hayes could play middle with Hags and MALONE...GLASS-MOORE-STEMP for fourth...still would have two inexperienced centers there...but I think you'd generate more offense that way.

tdchi


Sun Oct 26 2014 1:25 pm EST

Ahh...Chris STEWART...another wall darling...He's been TEARING it up in Buffalo...14 games...ZERO goals...one assist...-6...I'm still not a huge fan of the MSL trade, just because of the first rounders we lost...but I'm certainly happy we didn't trade CALLAHAN for a waste like Stewart.

tdchi


Sun Oct 26 2014 1:25 pm EST

this is a Very Different Team when Step and Boyle return

Messier11


Sun Oct 26 2014 12:21 pm EST

Well, watched the Pack loss last night and grabbed some notes along the way...first of all, I don't know what happened to DESJARDINS or why on god's green earth MISSIAEN was in net, but he has no business in net...He single-handedly lost the game for the Pack last night and from what I can tell, the night before too. Absolutely awful goalie...And with SKAPSKI, I really don't know why he's still playing...Should be in Greenville...Now I know this will shock all of you coming from me, but easily the best player on the ice was MILLER. Several things about his game to take note of...First, was that whenever he got the puck, Albany backed the hell up...they saw enough of him the night before and it was pretty clear he was the guy they were worried about the most on offense...second...He was great in the FO circle...don't know how many he took, but I'd estimate he was about 75 percent last night...maybe more. Owned the Devils' centermen...He's playing with a lot of confidence and big minutes...he's the one name you always saw in the mix....threaded an incredible pass on Conor ALLEN'S goal...basically created that opportunity...played on a line with Chris BOURQUE and Ryan HAGGERTY, who also had quiet, but good games...McILRATH...watched him closely and for the life of me, I can't figure out why he's not in New York...He did make at least one ill-timed hit...but this kid is DEMOLISHING players in the AHL...and he looks positionally sound too...Just a monster on the ice...Conor ALLEN was the best on defense...LINDBERG had a real rough start to the game and took a couple of stupid penalties...one that negated a Pack PP right off the faceoff...but he picked it up in the third and looked pretty good...FAST was invisible for much of the game, but also seemed to pick up his play later in the game...BODIE...man...Kid makes some REAL boneheaded decisions...the Devils' first goal was a stupid pass he made from the defensive zone across ice into the middle...Was the second time he did that in two days...but I'll say this: For a little guy, he plays a big game...doesn't back down from anyone...and on the point, he's friggin' mobile...Rangers could really use him on the PP if he could ever pull his defense together...KRISTO...pretty invisible...I would say at this point that his chances of suiting up in a Ranger jersey are pretty slim...and if there's a team that would give us a pick for him, I'd probably trade him...Ditto for HRIVIK...Ryan BOURQUE: That kid is QUICK...He's a guy I could see getting the call on injury to fill in on fourth line as a black ace..and brother Chris...such a shame his talents in the AHL don't translate to the NHL...both good players and if they had just a little more size, they'd have nice NHL careers...but that not being the case...Overall, the game would have been a lot different if they Pack has a real goalie...probably would have won 2-1...the team is MUCH improved over last year and will make the playoffs, IMO...but they gotta keep Desjardins healthy or give Skapski a chance.

tdchi


Sun Oct 26 2014 12:13 pm EST

"Not that (Callahan)didnt Have to go, he did". Just to revisit that for a minute, I still wonder what wouldve happened had we made different deals, because St Louis didnt score all that much in the POs anyway. Points, yes. Goals, no. We wouldve been more phyiscal with a big pure LW, a Ladd or maybe even Chris Stewart, and probably gotten as many if not more goals. We'd have our No. 1 pucks AND the lineup wouldnt still be out of whack.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 12:02 pm EST

Rf, St Louis did show some chemistry with Stepan, as do many. Its a Satherism though. Nash & Zuc are our top 2 RWs. Same reason it didnt make sense to keep Cally @ $35m to play 3rd line. Id argue its worse with MSL cause hes tiny (so a zuc-brass line makes you fear for their collective safety). He also no longer finishes as well as Callahan. Not that he didnt gave to go, he did. But we needed a LW. Now to play MSL top 6 you have to disrupt one of Nash or Zuc.wrong imo. And the thing is, it hasnt been MSLs play thatd dictate it, but his stature and what he might do (if he still can). He hasnt buried quite a few shots, I wouldnt rearrange anything. 3rd line & make the best of it. I didnt build this team, but its like Sather said we'll acquire him and worry about where he fits later. Well, for the playoffs last year, ok.but now its later.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 11:14 am EST

I sure hope some stability, not to mention common sense, is achieved with this lineup when Stepan and Boyle return. There is little flow and continuity being seen and it's resulting IMO with some up and down play from the team. Hayes looks like the real deal but unless you're icing a team like the Sabres, he should be in Hartford learning how to play center. Duclair shows flashes, but the wing position is probably where the Rangers are the deepest and AV needs to concentrate on getting the likes of MZA and MSL scoring - there's no time and room to let Duclair learn (i.e. play every game for at least 10 minutes). And let's not forget, even when Stepan returns, there's still a hole in the middle - who's playing behind Brassard on the 3rd line? That was supposed to be Jitters, but he's now in the AHL (deservedly so IMO). Also, I'm not clear on how the return of Boyle will mean the problems being experienced by McD and moreso Staal, will simply disappear. Finally, this team continues to lack physicality, especially on the backline. There is a potential solution for that, but the coach doesn't seem to believe even the word potential is applicable here. Bottom line is Stepan's return will help, but there appears to be a few other issues here independent of his absence.

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 11:04 am EST

So this is the time to play the young to see how they do. I did see something I have not seen in years, a Ranger sticking up for another Ranger. Kevin Klein Ranger's PLAYER OF THE YEAR. Thank You! Kevin and please keep it coming.

Jerry_Garcia


Sun Oct 26 2014 10:25 am EST

One loss, dont have to tear the whole thing down LOL. Some of these young trial runs are spotty right now, as are some vets. As are special teams. A few structural roster problems, 2 key injuries. Doesnt make things pretty but no need for alarm either. Its not like they got destroyed last night.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 10:13 am EST

I lay more of it on the coaching staff decisions and preparations. Their should be 5 centers and 7 d in the lineup until the other 2 get back. Hayes and duke eclair do not belong despite veenyos rationale. Play kostka or send him back down. Recall miller and allen or Big Mac. He will not give Big Mac a sniff because of his speed addiction. The hab nots won the race because no one slowed them down. The pp and pk need more practice. Put talbot in to change the mindset Monday...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 26 2014 9:44 am EST

Meant to say, "our defense is a big part of the problem and there are 5 out of 6 returners"

JFC31


Sun Oct 26 2014 9:42 am EST

It's very, very early and this team will turn things around and be very good, IMO. You can't overstate the domino effect that Stepan's injury caused and the loss of Boyle hurts badly because he was supposed to improve the PP....by improving the PP you can gloss over weaknesses much easier because you're scoring more goals and causing the other teams to adjust their styles so as not to take penalties against us. Now, they can afford to clutch, grab, interfere and it's worth it because our power play has ED. I also,agree with York and expressed this myself recently...it's very annoying that AV came out of camp and this team still isn't ready to CLICK. Is it possible our players are suffering a Stanley Cup hangover? Because as someone else just posted, they are a BIG part of the problem and 5 out of 6 are returners from last year. What's their excuse? Methinks Hayes is going down when Stepan gets back....he just needs to get more reps at center and work on his speed. He got exposed a bit last night against the speedy Habs....seemed to have trouble getting into the play. If he does go down, he'll find his way back....he's very good.

JFC31


Sun Oct 26 2014 9:33 am EST

stevie: Yes indeed, losses magnify the problems. Too many losses this early for me. Hopefully, things turn around - I fear more mediocrity...

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 9:21 am EST

Losses magnify problems. J Moore caused the 2 Nd goal by not laying on the puck. The red should have blown it dead no way he didn't lose sight of it. Captain Mac really blew it on the 1st one. And hank shrank instead of putting his stick out to block the pass. Can't win them all. And veenyo Has way too many meetings and bs that he brags about on his av squad... Less talk more work...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 26 2014 8:20 am EST

RR: I sure hope you're wrong - 2 firsts for a guy you gotta carry all season hoping he performs in the POs? I do believe part of his problem is there's no center to play with capable of setting him up on a consistent basis. That's part of the scoring issue overall IMO. It has been since Sather came to NY.

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 8:16 am EST

BTW, I share York's frustration with how AV seems so much time to get his system implemented but 2 things: 1) Why is the defense struggling so badly - 5 of 6 d-men from last year are back. 2) AV moved Stempniak and Mueller up last night in an attempt to spark the offense. Stempnaik and Mueller? Really? That's your answer to stimulating the offense? Likeable guys who try, but at best, journeymen bottom 6 forwards (on a good team). Where's the number 1 center? There isn't one. Where's the number 2 center? He's hurt. Where's the number 3 center? Playing inconsistently, as is his MO. Stepan can't return quickly enough it seems. And Hayes needs to be in Hartford, learning how to play center.

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 8:07 am EST

Yeah RF. Doubt it changes with MSL, either. He doesnt fit anywhere & doesnt score anymore. That's a spot Id prefer a young guy like Haggerty making mistakes but learning & contributing, especially on the PP. We have to lug MSL around all year hoping he makes some big plays in the POs. That I still wouldnt put past him.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 8:03 am EST

Rangers are now 6 in their division, 10th in their conference and 20th overall in the league. I get that it's early and not many points are separating the bulk of the teams, but we've seen this tune way too many times recently - a struggle all year long to make the POs. Mediocrity, in other words, has returned to RangerLand. Geesh...

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 7:58 am EST

There are a whole bunch of under-achieving players on the Rangers right now, lead, arguably by the 2 midgets: MZA and MSL. The former has no goals and a single assist and the latter is on pace for a 10 goal season, with 1 goal in 8 games. For MSL, that's 2 goals in 27 regular season games for the Rangers. That's ridiculous and IMO, totally unacceptable.

RF4L


Sun Oct 26 2014 7:47 am EST

Allowing SHd goals & wins dont usually go together, so, no surprise. McD looks like the POs, when everyone thought he was hurt. Cant forget he's still young and needs to improve consistency. It bugs me how the hype got a bit in front of where his game is as a whole. Hate losing, especially there but no biggie. We get back our no. 1, our PPQB, Malone back its a very formidable team. Duclair was jittery with the puck early. Hasnt shown much since preseason imo. Get me Haggerty.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 26 2014 7:31 am EST

I have no doubt that this team will make it to the playoffs and will go deep they do it rather consistently. The one thing this team has is character. The problem I have is why unlike every other coach in the NHL AV needs An extra month to get his system going? Last year fine it was a complete 180 from the old system this year the core is there and they look lost again granted they're missing their number one center and second pair dman but you can't start every season behind the 8 ball av can't spend his whole camp on cruise control. Hunwick has looked very good and makes j Moore very tradable IMO. Brass had a good game just couldnt score. Nash is back to disappearing J/K the only guy who was really a threat each shift. McD looks like a shadow of himself right now and stall has shown he's not worth 6 mil. Hayes is struggling and duclair is just not ready. A 2-0 is inexcusable end of story and short handed really makes it truly worse. Girardi has looked solid zucc is throwing away a pay day all the extra needs to stop and he needs to score Malone needs to be back in. Leestep has been great Klein has been good playing up a pair makes him look a little less than his normal output. This team needs step and Boyle back asap

York18


Sun Oct 26 2014 12:51 am EST

Chris Higgins sucks. It is quite clear now, and he could not handle NY. It is good for his liver that he is in Vancouver.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 11:57 pm EST

Just an idea, SJ wants a defenseman to put Burns back as a forward. Trade STAAL for Thornton, then trade Brassard to Vancouver for Chris Higgins back. No doubt we would be great down the middle with Thornton, Stepan, Moore, Mueller. Hayes needs to be sent down and i dont know if its just that Zuccarello misses Pouliot or what, but he needs to be benched. Bring Haggerty back up. Who would've known that by losing pouliot, Brass and Zucc would disappear. Can Glen work his magic to trade them to Edmonton, as Pouliot is struggling as well. Taylor Hall?

Higgy21


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:55 pm EST

Can we keep Duclair and send MSL back to Juniors?

thedoc85


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:26 pm EST

Bob- I don't think its a physical issue with Staal right now. Just on ent ration issues and not doing simple things like tying up the friggin guy in front of the net. I also think AV needs to reconfigure the lines coz we HAVE to have a consistently scoring 3rd line (as we did last year) to be successful simply because we don't have that dominant 1&2 lines.

_Arc


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:24 pm EST

BTW, when did this place become MS RFC? I guess I missed the memo. I thought we had another wall for that stuff.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:16 pm EST

Staal, pre-Eric Staal's disgusting head shot, was a stud shut down D man. Ever since that injury he hasn't been the same. The eye injury certainly didn't help any. It's a shame really but it's absurd for #18 to honestly believe he worth what he's reportably asking for.

Don Murdoch


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:06 pm EST

Bathgate - truth to power.

Don Murdoch


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:04 pm EST

Well I don't think this is a fire alarm. I do think they should be concerned about the fact that Marc Staal will probably never be what he once was, and that there is no way they should pay him $6 Million for 6 or 7 years. That is not totally based on tonight. It is based on last years playoffs and this year to date. Poor kid. I feel sorry for him.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:02 pm EST

Bathgate9:Thank you.

Nick


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:02 pm EST

Rhet: It's called venting. Most of us post the other way when things are going well. It's part of why I come here. If the rules were 'never post anything negative' I'd have lasted like 3 days and perhaps have given up on this team decades ago (because historically they are a very VERY trying team to be fan of).

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:55 pm EST

This place is not a lot of fun when this team loses. Can we ever just shake off a loss? Does it always have to be the nuclear option when we lose? I don't know what Ranger fans expect. All the new players we have, chemistry doesn't happen over 8 games. New players usually don't get the new system down that quickly either. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:44 pm EST

WTF is wrong with Staal? Every time the opposition scores this year he's standing in front of the net with his jock in his hands doing his best Joe Cirella impression. WAKE UP!!!!!!

_Arc


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:40 pm EST

Like Muellers game. Brass not so much. Too many players playing mediocre hockey for AV to choose from. Creating a merry go round of inconsistent lines. Better figure this teams make up out before their very busy November. Lots of points up for grabs next month.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:25 pm EST

The player needed in this line up is Big Mac. Other parts are interchange-able.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:23 pm EST

very average Club right now. "Braintrust" needs to figure out the value of players like Staal, Zucc, and maybe Hags. Redundant players in this line-up, King outplayed again tonite. I know its early but this Club is very far from a contender. They remind me of the NY Giants; some positive but more negative.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:17 pm EST

I know Brooks likes to make a big deal about the upcoming Staal contract, but I would not spend $6Mil for 7 for this version of him. I think it is doubtful the old Staal will be able to return.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:17 pm EST

Recall Miller and send Haze down.

Don Murdoch


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:15 pm EST

Uninspired effort after the 1st period. Henrik should sue his D for lack of support. They were terrible, and the Rangers did not create enough chances.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:13 pm EST

Haze and MZA have been horrible most of this season. Staal should not be re-signed. The C seems to be weighing McD down. Kreider hasn't been playing well either...

Don Murdoch


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:11 pm EST

Pack lose again, too. Sather building a dynasty!!!

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:10 pm EST

14 of our shots came from defenders

Messier11


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:08 pm EST

Glass had 6 hits, Klein, Brassard each with 4. Kreider 3.

Messier11


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:07 pm EST

Montreal blocked an additional 20 shots

Messier11


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:07 pm EST

BTW, I could have responded to your post with something like 'what a horde of Sather worshippers'...

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:59 pm EST

kitchen: Yeah, really.

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:59 pm EST

So what?

kitchen1


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:58 pm EST

Devils, Islanders and Flyers win....

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:58 pm EST

Really?

kitchen1


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:58 pm EST

Price stopped 34, some pretty good ones. Montreal's transition game was a lot to keep up with. Klein handled himself pretty well against Prust.

Messier11


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:56 pm EST

No big shock to lose in Montreal....Rangers will get better as players like Zucc and McD will find their games.....I have been on the fence as to whether to keep Duclair up...No longer....He needs to go back to jr's and play....

PJ


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:48 pm EST

Step...Agree on Hunwick....Other than Girardi he has been our best D tonight...I really like this guy....Much better than Moore....Kreider really disappointing tonight....The difference in the game in my opinion is Habs D better in front of Price than the Rangers in front of Hank....Price was good but Hank had no help....

PJ


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:47 pm EST

Nash needs to create and generate , he's waiting for a puck come to him !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:44 pm EST

kitchen1: Define 'bunch'....

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:44 pm EST

Jim.I kinda agree on MZA , he looks lost !!!!

ilya


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:41 pm EST

What a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks!

kitchen1


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:40 pm EST

Nash is having an off night despite of his goals the majority of them came on a good play he's not working hard on getting his chances he's waiting for a puck come to him , MSL needs to come through .

ilya


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:37 pm EST

BTW, given MZA's play so far, that 1 year contract is looking quite astute! I mean, he is really sucking.

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:36 pm EST

Only watching bits and pieces and totally expected the result. The Rangers are about to have a 500 record...is that where their talent level is???

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:29 pm EST

Bathgate- Spot on and never apologize for posting something so well thought out, intelligent and insightful..

schneidw


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:28 pm EST

PJ: Said it last game after watching the Devils treat Hank like whack a mole.This D lacks toughness. Tell you what, Hunwick Is looking better than Moore.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:25 pm EST

Staal falls asleep in front and it is 3-1....

PJ


Sat Oct 25 2014 7:46 pm EST

We are so damn soft in front of our net....Have to help Hank more than that,,

PJ


Sat Oct 25 2014 6:41 pm EST

It's a Power Play Goal

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 6:39 pm EST

Last year we were averaging over 40 shots per game this year so far we've having trouble getting pucks on net wonder why lol Price should've faced like 15 shots by now :)

ilya


Sat Oct 25 2014 6:03 pm EST

Let's go Rangers

Tie Dough Me


Sat Oct 25 2014 6:02 pm EST

Let's go Rangers

Tie Dough Me


Sat Oct 25 2014 5:33 pm EST

I appologise about the OT post. 30 minutes to game time !!! We got a few scores to settle. Where is McIlrath?

Ola


Sat Oct 25 2014 4:52 pm EST

Bathgate 9 - I enjoy your posts going back into ranger history, please stick with that!

giacomin


Sat Oct 25 2014 4:50 pm EST

(SportsNetwork.com) - A rematch of last spring's Eastern Conference finals is on tap Saturday, as the Montreal Canadiens welcome the New York Rangers to the Bell Centre. The Rangers ousted Montreal in six games for last season's conference title before losing to the Los Angeles Kings in the Stanley Cup Finals. It marked New York's first trip to the Cup Finals since winning it all in 1994, while the Habs were denied a shot at playing on hockey's stage for the first time since their last championship in '93. Both the Blueshirts and Canadiens are teams built on speed, but New York boasts size as well as quickness. Montreal and New York also have two of game's best goaltenders in Carey Price and Henrik Lundqvist. Price will face the Rangers for the first time since Game 1 of the conference finals. Montreal's No. 1 goaltender was knocked out of the playoffs in that contest after suffering a knee injury when New York forward Chris Kreider crashed into him at the end of a breakaway. Although Kreider has insisted time and again the collision was unintentional, the winger will almost certainly receive an icy reception from Canadiens fans tonight. Not including that fateful playoff game, Price is 8-5-1 with a 2.06 goals against average in his career against the Rangers. Lundqvist, who expects to start for New York, is 13-11-2 with a 2.84 GAA in 27 regular-season appearances versus Montreal. The Canadiens enter the showdown with a 6-1-0 record and will shoot for a fourth consecutive victory on Saturday. Montreal is 3-0 so far on a four-game homestand and last played on Tuesday when it notched a 2-1 overtime win against Detroit. David Desharnais scored 56 seconds into the extra session to lift the Habs to victory over the Red Wings. After P.K. Subban fired a shot from above the left circle, Max Pacioretty took the rebound and had his wrister denied by Jimmy Howard. Desharnais gathered the loose puck at the left side of the net and swatted a backhander over a falling Howard for the game-winner. Alex Galchenyuk scored the game-tying goal with 3:09 to play in the third period and Price made 27 saves for the win. "We have great character on this team," Galchenyuk said. "In the third, we started going to the net and it paid off for us." Montreal has won nine of its last 10 home games against the Rangers in the regular season and also claimed five of the past six encounters prior to last spring's playoff meeting. The Rangers also enter Saturday with a shot at winning their fourth consecutive game. New York also posted an OT win in its last game, posting a 4-3 comeback win Tuesday night in New Jersey. New York trailed the Devils 3-1 early in the third period before rallying for the win. Kevin Klein's goal with 2:18 remaining in OT capped the furious comeback at Prudential Center. The Rangers forcing overtime on goals by Chris Mueller and Rick Nash and Lundqvist also helped bring on the extra session with a 28-save effort that included several key stops late in regulation. "I am just really happy the way we came back," Lundqvist said. "When they scored that third one, and the way their power play was playing, it was a tough, but we responded in a big way. It was a big two points for us." Kreider set up Klein's game-winner and scored earlier for New York, while Mueller also chipped in an assist in the Rangers' triumph. New York's next game is against Minnesota on Monday when the Blueshirts kick off a four-game homestand. Montreal will begin a three-game road trip the same night in Edmonton. Also, the Canadiens will join the Ottawa Senators and Toronto Maple Leafs in coordinated pregame ceremonies prior to the start of their respective home games tonight. The teams will be honoring Canadian soldiers who were killed earlier this week. On Wednesday, a gunman shot and killed a Canadian solider standing guard at the National War Memorial, then entered Parliament before being shot to death. On Monday, a solider was killed as a man drove into him with a car at a building near Montreal. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/25/4263188/new-york-rangers-4-3-0-at-montreal.html#storylink=cpy

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 4:45 pm EST

Bathgate9: I said that placing that post on this wall was inadvertent & I apologized. Did you conveniently miss that part? I'm willing to further this discussion with you on the other wall anytime, but in the meantime, we've got a game to win & root for... So Let's Go Rangers!

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 4:28 pm EST

Ola...my comment had nothing to do with helping a man that's sick......that should be a given.

MelvilleFred


Sat Oct 25 2014 4:23 pm EST

The image of P.K. Subban kissing broadcaster Pierre McGuire on live television comes to mind. Then there was the parade of fans downtown that night, literally tens of thousands of them, basking in the ecstasy of a warm Montreal evening after drinking litres of beer and watching their most hated rivals suffer......http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/story-from-habs-practice-on-friday

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 2:32 pm EST

I don't want to scroll through anything to get to hockey related posts. I have to scroll through enough as it is

Messier11


Sat Oct 25 2014 1:58 pm EST

I wont partake but actually think its a good thing people discuss politics, and it doesnt bother me if its here. I scroll right on by when Im in Ranger mode, which is always.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 25 2014 1:49 pm EST

Now tonight vs Les' Habs.... This rivalry was very heated during the 60's & early 70's, (perhaps in the 50's too, wasn't around then though).... Boston / Montreal is up there for one of the most heated in the league, it just doesn't get much publicity here in NY.... As for US (NY) & THEM (Pink Floyd anyone?) AFAIC, they're the Penguins to the North, they'll cheap shot you, embellish, and run crying to the Ref's.. Pretty much sounds like the Penguinista's, no? ..... IMO, if we don't play a tight on the defensive side of the puck, we're screwed.....

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 1:43 pm EST

Wallsters, as soon as I realized "that" post was on this wall, I emailed into "write for us" in the lefthand margin and requested deletion..

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 1:11 pm EST

Guys - Please use the off wall where political differences can be debated. Let's use this wall to discuss our shared interest and fandom of the Rangers. Beat the Habs tonight!

Ranger47


Sat Oct 25 2014 12:48 pm EST

Well I never comment on Politics on this site, butafter reading the Lou Holtz comments echoed by MF here, are absolutely ridiculous nonsense, there is a clear and unassailable fact there is income inequality, now for sure there is always going to be a difference what the employers make and what their employers do, but the fact remains the difference is at unprecedented levels 350 to 1 that we have never seen, this so called trickle down theory ( friedman economics that tax cuts for the rich and then the jobs will be created) which began seriously under Reagan has never worked asnd as a point of reference Reagan cut taxes in 1981 to the bone and we experienced in 1983 a 16 month recession, and only with the help of democrat Tip Oneil to raise taxes were we ever able to get out of the recession, and it is also a fact that the rise of the middle class post WW2 began with Government programs like the GI bill and also under Republican (Eisenhower administration there was a very high tax rate which amongst other things created and bult the highways and roads around this country with Government collected tax money, and also the very effective use of unions, I do not know about you, I belonged and was and still active in a very prominent NYC union which helped raise the standard of life for its many members of this and other unions, as far as the Presidency of President Obama vs President Bush Bush came into office following the very successful Clinton Presidency which as should be noted he (Clinton) left Bush a 1.3 Trillion surplus and in eight years he completely squandered it and left the country in economic peril, to the point that when Obama came into office, the country was losing 750,000 jobs a month the unemployment rate was 10.5 % and the dow was at a low of 6,000 and at present the dow is at 17,000 a record and we have created over 10 million jobs in the private sector and the unemployment rate is at its lowest at 5.9%, also the debt has been coming down the fastest ever since WW2 also he helped put through Dodd Frank to put back regulations on Wall St. as well as many other accomplishments like the ACA , I could go on forever, but in terms of everybody getting the same opportunity in life , well that is ridiculous and do not tell me the education and job opportunities for people in Harlem, the South Bronx, and Brownsville and East N.Y are the same as those same people in Fresh Meadows, Bayside,Douglaston is absolutely absurd, sorry for this long non hockey related rant, as guys like Holtz a football coach whose resume whether its recruiting or his pro coaching is not exactly gleaming.

Bathgate9


Sat Oct 25 2014 11:42 am EST

Derek Stepan has started skating (lightly) on his own per AV.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 25 2014 11:03 am EST

Must've been a weird night for the Pack; Lindberg was minus 4, Kristo had a fight. JT had a goal. .... And its very easy to list the Rangers victims over the years, disgusting as its been. But THIS year, any sucker-shot injury to a key player can cost us the Stanley Cup. We're only in this window for a few years. Last year was a year burned in my estimation, we could have and probably should have won the thing with a few small changes. We didn't, fine. But this year I'd leave nothing to chance, including protecting players as best you can. Then if there's a random act of violence, at least you did all you could. But just look at that Boychuk quote. Bruins were salivating to play us, cause they knew they'd run right over us. Championship hockey's never been for the feint of heart.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:46 am EST

Off topic wall

Messier11


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:39 am EST

Ola what's your definition of sick people?

stevielegs


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:07 am EST

RF4L--I would be surprised if Skapski is n Greenville for long. Missien is probably a place holder for now.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 10:05 am EST

Hey, there is a Rangers game tonight? Really? Cool! The Rangers should be welcomed about as much as Boston is up there. Now that the NHL has put an emphasis on diving in direct response to the Habs behavior, I expect them to play nasty instead. I hope Kreider scores, and that Henrik comes out of this game healthy.

Bob


Sat Oct 25 2014 9:21 am EST

There is a difference between social equality and East Germany and helping a man that's sick. I don't get why it's so controversial to help sick people.

Ola


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:21 am EST

Hahah...that's the biggest load of horse shit I've ever read and dribbling from the mouth of a flatulent jackass. Holtz should stick with what he knows best, which is collecting seven figures for playing school yard games. You want the truth? It's that 90 percent of this country is good people. 90 percent of this country wants to work, succeed and be the best they can. Unfortunately, the other 10 percent is sociopaths and narcissists...the bad become criminals. The worst become the political machine. I've been intimately involved with the latter and let me tell you this: they don't give two flying f@cks about you, me, the Rangers, the world or anything outside of getting re-elected. You want to throw the Dems under the bus? Fine. But you better be throwing the GOP down there with them. They're heads of the same hydra and the fact that most Americans are too blind to realize that is evidence that we have officially turned the corner. Rome is burning and so many of you are willing to play backup to Nero's cheery tune from atop the wall. We've empowered an a class an ethos that is slowly strangling our vitality and thanks to a mental masturbator like Holtz --a guy who probably has an IQ hovering around 90 --we're letting them pull the last few strands of our democracy from the tapestry of what was once a great, socially conscious republic. I'm not going to pretend that I mean to post this on the other wall, since I personally take offense to anyone that suggest the last six years was any different that the last 60 years. It's the same goddamn tune, only the rhetoric spewed from a few seems to make people honestly believe they're hearing something different. Now back to your regularly programmed hockey reading...

tdchi


Sat Oct 25 2014 8:20 am EST

More goaltending woes in Hartford as they lost 7 to 3 despite outshooting their opponent 30 to 27. No wonder the Rangers drafted 2 goalies this past June. Geeesh....

RF4L


Sat Oct 25 2014 7:56 am EST

RR.., spot on! mf.., no need for the other Wall, when it's right it belongs as far as I'm concerned. My main concern now is, "how much more damage will B. Hussein do in the final 2 years of his contract?" I voted twice for the man and literally possess no greater shame that I can think of.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 25 2014 6:16 am EST

So....Saturday night at the Forum...or whatever it's called now...do we start Talbot? Nahhhhhh.......Hank solved that place last year. Still want to see Haggerty at some point this year.

MelvilleFred


Sat Oct 25 2014 6:13 am EST

MF....I lived in a place that had Income and Social equality.....East Germany....we all saw the result!!

MelvilleFred


Sat Oct 25 2014 5:21 am EST

MF Well said. Time to end this nightmare.

Jerry_Garcia


Sat Oct 25 2014 2:39 am EST

sorry, meant for the other wall....

mf


Sat Oct 25 2014 2:39 am EST

Lou Holtz nails it! ... Told As Only A Coach, An Old ND Coach Can .......... The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don'ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don't. That’s the divide in America . It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country. That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it. The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery. The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit . It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal. The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful – seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take. My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but our lives also have had an inequality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes. It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short-sighted decisions. Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort. The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get." Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society, and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts. It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization. What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln ’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand. "Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." Lou Holtz......... Leo "Lou" Holtz (born January 6, 1937) is a retired American football coach, and active sportscaster, author, and motivational speaker.

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 10:24 pm EST

Sauer for sure. Staal, eh, it was his idiot brother. But Gretzky took more abuse as a NYR than he had his entire career - combined. It was one of the reasons he didnt play a few more years. Tony Granato I remember was CRUSHED, stretchered. Sandstrom was attacked repeatedly. Its just been unbelievable, but true. And our coach is cracking jokes like a cornhole.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 10:17 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=736058&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 10:07 pm EST

Would Michael Sauer & or Marc Staal make that list?

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 9:00 pm EST

Yes WildCard, appeasement has worked wonderfully well for Dale Rolphe, Ulf Nilsson, Sandstrom, Gaborik, Nash, McD, Stepan, Brassard. Why change anything?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 7:27 pm EST

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/canadiens-vs-rangers-preview

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 7:22 pm EST

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/rangers-mcdonagh-tops-list-of-former-habs-now-playing-elsewhere

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 7:04 pm EST

Moof what do facts have to do with it? It's about feelings and utopian ideas that don't exiSt and wonT. Next season everyone wiNs a cup... And no more shaking hands could spread germs. NO FIsts fights new worLD HOCKEY BS....- the nhl promotes and condones it and the refs close their eyes...and some nyr fans live fantasy hockey ...

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:37 pm EST

Wild: Boston won the cup in 2011 didn't they? We won it in 1994 with players that would rearrange your grill to win...

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:25 pm EST

Ok ok. Fine. If the Rangers had heated the crap out of the top center of the Ha s Stepan wouldn't have gotten hit high. Oooooooooook. Sssssuuuuurrrre. Because that was like so many games into the series right....

Wildcard


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:23 pm EST

Rangers played for the Cup all right, with two crippled centers - and LOST. I dont want to talk about this anymore.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:20 pm EST

Rabid: your talking playoffs right. You know what happened...the Habs went home and the Rangers played for the cup. But I guess to you that's a failure because the Rangers didn't go after their top guys. Newsflash. Putting "the right guys in the hospital" is t hockey. This is t the WWE it's the NHL. A few teams played your way in the east. The Bruins and Flyers played like that...bowed that work out? They sure showed everyone didn't they...they didn't turn the other cheek! Too bad it's about wins not moral victories.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:16 pm EST

I'm remembering Sandstrom trying to play actual hockey against Dave Brown. That worked well too.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:10 pm EST

You will change how a team plays if you hospitalize the right people.... And we tried to play 'actual hockey' against them last year, how'd it turn out? They didn't care the whole world was watching, cause they're SCUMBAGS, tried every puny thing they could, including threatening to have Sather arrested for having an unlit cigar in the press box!! Omg. And they crippled Step and Brassard, who's shoulder is still screwed.... So you think what you want. And please don't tell me I'm a fan who doesn't care about actual hockey. This is a response to the grotesque Prusts & Theriens of the world. They started it, but I'd finish it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:09 pm EST

To make matters worse. The guys who would hit to hurt but don't fight will not be deterred by big tough guys in the lineup since they will just turtle. The guys who will hit dirty like that and do fight are not scared to fight. So no one will be deterred from going high on Nash. So it's just so stupid

Wildcard


Fri Oct 24 2014 5:56 pm EST

Rabid: AV is coaching this seasons game...not last years. And you know what...it a good thing he isn't basing his decisions on actions of the other team from last year ....or for that matter a hockey fan who isn't concerned about actual hockey. What good comes of reacting to last season? Should be dress 15 tough guys and get revenge? Because that wouldn't get them 2 points. It's about having more goals on the board at the end of the night. And it's about winning the last game of the year. This silly react crap doesn't achieve that...and you will not change how the other team plays.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 24 2014 5:47 pm EST

I forgot to mention the national fervor that's going on up there. Can we get Torts back to coach this one game? LOL. Even I don't want that. Maybe...... I'll just say, back after Torts was shitcanned, this is the kind of stuff that made me consider Messier, though AV would've been my overall choice as well (actually Gretzky was my no. 1 choice and not so sure it didn't almost happen). But Mess would've never allowed his teams to turn the other cheek as SOP. It's CHICKENSHIT hockey.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 5:38 pm EST

Just to be clear about this, AVs response to us being attacked in the playoffs last year is to not only dress a relative child, who's probably 170lbs soaking wet and another guy we have to look out for, but to extract from the lineup a guy as big and - when he wants to be - as ornery as anyone we have. I've been watching Malone closely, he's played well on a 4th line with Glass & Moore. He's thrown the body and hasn't hurt us defensively. He & Glass got the whole team revved game before last against SJ by attacking the net on a disallowed goal (that shouldve counted). But expecting offense from that 4th line is unrealistic, and shouldn't detract from whatever glow Malone had after a good camp. He's trying to fill a role appropriately. If they put him on a scoring line, where he's played all his life, I think he'd be fine there too. But I think its crazy to pull him when there are others who could sit. And I think AV is missing the boat here, bigtime. And he's up there laughing....and I'm starting to stew.....Id go McIlrath, Tarnasky, Malone and I'd look to blow them out of the MFing rink. That conference final was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in watching almost a half century. Totally premeditated garbage and they should pay, so we can 1. Survive, and 2.Hold our heads high. Sorry but people talking to me about 2 points havent a clue. You gonna feel better when Nash is concussed? Or they take out Zuc, or Kreider? This is not good. F.U. AV.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 4:51 pm EST

NO, you go into their building with every intention of coming home with 2 points... How this one plays out we know not yet, but whatever unfolds, we must adjust to win, leave it all on the ice..............Our defense needs to tighten up a few notches over the past performances, force them to the outside for poor angle shots. Limit the screening our goalie, and clear the crease when need be.. This would be a perfect time for Big McIlrath over Kostka... Still don't know how I feel about dressing DuClaw, who's sitting? If it's Malone, wonder if he has some Fotiu in him. :-)

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 4:22 pm EST

what illiterate moron upkeeps the nyr website? http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/glasss-journal-welcome-new-york glass's?

Topovski


Fri Oct 24 2014 4:21 pm EST

td -- not sure where you're getting this bit about Duclair's ice time...from game 1 to game 5 his TOI was: 11:12, 14:09, 18:36, 15:44 and 10:26. And we all know that his ice time went down in the last game because in the middle of the game MSL went back to wing and he was odd man out. In games 3 & 4 he was in the top 4 in ice time for forwards. Again, look at AVs statement and see if that sounds like a guy who wants this kid back in Jrs. If he felt Jrs. Would be beneficial to Duclair, he'd already be there. Talk about humiliation....jet the kid play in front of his family and then leave him behind like a reject....c'mon, think about that.

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 4:11 pm EST

an eye for an eye, a shoulder for a shoulder, a jaw for a jaw....I'd give up 2 points to send that message to those pos......a dive for a dive...guess they'll smash into to hank, and veenyo will say whistle to whistle....not how to play this game unless everyone else is, and they are not....it might have cost the Cup, by turning the cheek with a kick in the ass....cheat, play dirty....join them and beat them.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 3:45 pm EST

RR: couldn't agree more...we are very soft.....the other night Steve Downie leveled an Islander......and Travis Harmonic jumped him and they went at it pretty good.......I hate the Islanders, but admired the play......I remembered back to last year.....Hot on Nash.....Concussion.....nothing.......Hit on McD by Max Pac of Montreal ...nothing.......sometimes you need frontier justice....and a good dose of Chris Nilan......

jnyr


Fri Oct 24 2014 3:42 pm EST

And to answer your first question Vic, I just want them to play the game - like always -BUT be ready for trouble and don't hesitate if it arises. AND inflict punishment within the rules as much as possible. But go outside them if you have to. Lay down the law. You're not going to accept teams doing that to you, period. Sure, its two points. Every game is two points. There is a bigger picture, We should be able to overcome two lousy points even though its not a given we automatically lose because we stick up for ourselves and even if they become aggressors. It could be a huge confidence builder & LIBERATING!!!!!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 3:36 pm EST

There are all sorts of degrees in that, Vic. True, in my lifetime the Rangers have RARELY been that kind of team. And it has made me SICK my entire life LOL. No other NHL team ever seems to play under these Queensbury rules, and it never gets us anywhere but injured. Yet AV seems to relish it with all his whistle-to-whistle bull shit. .I flat don't like it & don't agree with it as a matter of policy for a hockey club. Not because I'm overly violent, but because 29 NHL teams are (some more than others) and you've got to survive to win. just two years ago under Torts they were far more rough & tumble, wolf pack mentality, whatever you want to call it. And it is DEEPLY concerning to have some of our guys targeted. Some are just too young & too good, some just too fragile. And when a coach turns a blind eye, after what went on last year, I just can't agree with it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 2:58 pm EST

RR: What are you asking for? Are you asking for the Rangers to go out an goon it up? Are you looking for the Rangers to go out and take out guys like PRUST and SUBBAN? I shouldn't have to tell you this but if that is what you are hoping for and looking for tomorrow night you are rooting for the wrong team. The Rangers have never been that kind of team in my lifetime. This roster is not composed of guys who can and will play that kind of game. This is a fast team that plays between the whistles. It is a team that finishes checks but rarely with intent. Besides, last year is over and done. The Rangers were the better team with and without STEPAN. The Rangers were the better team with and without PRICE. MALONE is not a deterrent and in this game he will be somewhat of a liability because of his lack of speed. The Rangers need to focus on the game and on the two points. I will DM was in the lineup in case things got out of hand but that isn't going to happen with AV so I've stopped whining about it..

Vic


Fri Oct 24 2014 2:51 pm EST

RF4L - You keep slipping GRAHAM in there and I really don't know why. That guy was a good example of a player who probably never should have been drafted in the second round...Scouts drooled over his size and like with JESSIMAN, I'm sure Sather had this vision that he'd become the quintessential power forward...But man, he simply didn't have the skills to play in the NHL...I remember folks here gushing over him...and then seeing him in Hartford and wondering WTF was everyone so impressed about? And in his case, it wasn't like he ever lit it up in juniors...the kid topped out with like 20-something goals, which in that league is what even the scrubs score...And in his case, he was already 220-plus pounds in his draft year...he had the body of an NHLer and STILL couldn't score at will in juniors...also...I got a problem with listing GRACHEV among those guys too...same thing...guy was a boom-or-bust prospect...I was among those gushing over Grachev and actually was kind of impressed with him when I saw him in Hartford...but the reality was he simply didn't have what it takes...he's floundering in the KHL at this point...but in both of those cases, the argument could be made that they had NHL-ready bodies and needed to learn how to use them at the faster pace when put up against larger competition...I know in Grachev's case, he basically imposed his will in the OHL and I kind of doubt him going back for a year would have changed anything...MILLER...now that's one that I'm on the fence about...I disagreed with you vehemently when they did keep him in Hartford and I'm still not sure that was a bad choice...what I haven't liked about his development is how he's gotten pulled around between the NHL and AHL...from wing to center to wing...I think the Rangers have kind of wavered on where they see him...and maybe that's a factor of his development and the development of others...but you have a MUCH stronger case with him than you do Grachev and Graham...those guys were just busts period...BLACKBURN is a great example...and MDZ...I think you have a case there too, since the rumor was that he got into some bad habits in NY...and we're definitely on the same page with DUCLAIR. He's shown nothing that suggests he's going to get the time he needs in the lineup to play in NY.

tdchi


Fri Oct 24 2014 2:49 pm EST

Malone should be in ....hab nots should get a stepan hit to the jaw.....veenyo wants peace.. no piece....the whole team should do a synchronized dive before the game.....then give the hab not coach , team, and fans a wave.....Sacrebleu.....blacknblue.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 2:30 pm EST

Re: DUCLAIR - Good for him. In fact, I would use this as a parting gift for the kid. Nothing like getting a chance to play for your home town...nothing...and it would have been low class IMO to have the kid in the stands watching...Now I will say this is the perfect time for them to part ways. Leave the kid in Montreal. Send him back to the Remparts and let him get his minutes...Some of you were wondering why I think it's so crazy that he stays and practices with the big club and at least one cited HAGGERTY...well...Hags was a TOTALLY different situation...The guy's season was over in RPI and admittedly, I really didn't get why he wasn't PLAYING for Hartford, since if I recall, wasn't even eligible for the post season...but it's apples and oranges...Duke needs to be in juniors, not watching video in the dark room. The fact that he hasn't played a game in over a week...had his minutes drop the last time he did play and hasn't played big minutes since really the third game of the season...man, unless the kid has a game like no other tomorrow, the right thing to do is pat him on the back, tell him thanks and we'll see you in April.

tdchi


Fri Oct 24 2014 2:26 pm EST

I just don't like this game for us, for any number of reasons. That's going to be a very emotional building tomorrow night, on top of the histrionics. Preventing a reoccurence of last year is no. 1. I'd recall that Tarnasky lunatic for tomorrow too, show'em we mean business. 9 times out of 10 the refs give Montreal this game anyway. But its about more than 2 points. Its about SELF-RESPECT. Every guy in that room knows what happened last year, and they were handcuffed at the time, though I would've went after them POs or not. So yeah, some retribution would be nice. Better to give than receive and all that. But this is how it happened to Nash and McD and Stephan and Brassard. Passivity invites aggression. And of course I don't think there's any quid pro quo for Vighneault with free suit LOL. But I did mean to point ou we gave him a huge contract to run the team, and by not preparing and not responding, he is NOT running the team right in the instance, IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:59 pm EST

AV, put your Peugeot back on the driveway and take out the Big Block Chevy! If we did it your way, you'd be speaking German..

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:57 pm EST

wish people would not hold back how they really feel here instead of pc stuff...lol.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:51 pm EST

Lame-ass touchy feely shit from AV. They touched our top two centers in vicious fashion, mightve cost us a Cup As banged up as they were. Screw that. If he wants Duclair in , it doesnt have to be at expense of Malone. Stemp has been great but he can take a night off. Or Mueller, though I wouldnt. Hate to take Glass out of a rough game. But Hagelin watching wouldnt bother me as much as not responding. Wont happen though and this coach is in FantasyLand. Fuck your free suits, we gave you a $10m contract you froggy f$@#!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:34 pm EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV jokes he's expecting a couple of free suits now from Duclair's uncle - who runs such a business - for getting Duke into lineup in MTL AV says he still remembers how special it was for him to play his first game at The Forum, knows how important tomorrow is for Duclair.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:33 pm EST

Tomorrows game has playoff hockey written all over it. Both teams have had many days off, the Rangers last game was Tuesday, the Habituals Wednesday. There are no reasons for us top come out flat, none.. There's no love between these teams, and John Moore & Prust will be targets.. PK will hit anything that moves.. I'd dress Glass & Malone, the kid (DuClaw) sits this one out.. I hope Malone wipes that shit eating I'm so happy to be given another chance with this franchise grin off his fuggin mug, and turn on the nasty.. He's got the build & experience to control a large segment of the game... Don't be surprised to see attempted liberties taken with Rick Nash... This club is "The Penguins to the North" & AFAIC they're on the Hate List ahead of the Devils & Islanders.... jmhon

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:32 pm EST

off topic ...."Al Qaeda spent less than $1 million on its signature 9/11 attack, but Islamic State has found an even more cost-effective way to strike on American soil - inspiring psychotic sympathizers to commit "lone wolf" attacks that blur the line between random crime and terrorism, say experts."

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 1:07 pm EST

IMO, when AV makes a statement saying that he has coached in Jrs., has coached in the AHL and has coached in the NHL and he has a pretty good idea of what will be best for Duclair, that tells me that he does not think the kid will be well-served in Jrs. Since he coached there, if he didn't have doubts about Duclair getting BETTER by playing in Jrs, then he'd already be back there. Maybe his idea is to have Duclair get as many games as possible right up to WJCs and then let him go IF he having a hard time getting him as many games as he'd like to give him. However, maybe in the interim, injuries/circumstances allow Duclair to get plenty of time to stay sharp AND get better against NHL talent. Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason why he wouldn't already be back in Jrs.....it's because AV does not want him there.

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:44 pm EST

Yeah RF, saw that from McKenzie. I'm not going to worry too much about Anthony Duclair's contract looks like in 7 years. Sheesh, these guys get so anal with this stuff, how many times am I going to read AD burned a year off his ELC? So many more interesting stories if they chose to chase them. Buchnevich is at it again, BTW. Happens pretty rarely but Ranger scout raving on him, he's even on PK now. Kid's gonna be here next year.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:42 pm EST

I'd play Malone over glass......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:39 pm EST

And didn't Talbot have a few shutouts up there? No-brainer to me. Talbot's only started once I believe.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:38 pm EST

BTW, the thinking amongst GMs lately is that they are oftentimes for burning a year of the EL contract because it means a lesser successful body of work when the first non-EL deal contract negotiations start. What GMs do want to avoid is hitting the 40 game mark (I think it's 40) when losing a year of restricted free agency occurs. I think, therefore, you'll see more and more underagers playing less than 40 games and then being returned as the years unfold. That's likely what will happen with Duclair, unless, of course, he starts to play so well he cannot be removed from the lineup (which I don't expect to see because arguably the wing positions is where the Rangers are now the deepest).

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:37 pm EST

AV absolutely should start Talbot, and not just to preserve Hank. Lundqvist has the most miserable record in Mtl, finally won a game there after about 7 years in the playoffs, but still. I also think the goaltending rotation should be geared much closer to a 2-to-1 split here early on. That's not what they've been doing. Shortsighted.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:35 pm EST

Bob: LOL - I'd love him to have that experience, but while I gotta figure he'd be a lock, there will be plenty of other talented kids on that roster - there's no guarantee he'd dominate. That said, if he did, more growth.

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:34 pm EST

Bob/RR: If both Prust and Weise are dressed, then you can be sure some vengeance will be attempted. That said, the Rangers owe that punk Prust some payback, too. What he did to Stepan was pure goonery (and what he does quite often since becoming a Canadien). The pacifist Rangers, however, likely won't be in that mindset. I just hope they are ready to circle the wagons if need be.

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:32 pm EST

RF4L-- Admit it, you just want the Duke on Canada's WJC team. LOL!

Bob


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:31 pm EST

mf: I don't know much about Fayne, but gotta wonder about a player (Petry) who is getting benched on a lousy team like the Oilers. He'll turn 27 in 6 weeks so I guess what you see is what you get now, but I'm not sure what you get. Probably a bottom pairing d-man and at $3,000,000 and a pending UFA, he'd better come really cheap if you get him. Looking at Fayne, he kinda looks like the same thing, except he's signed at roughly the same cap hit for the next 5 seasons. Is he a 2nd pairing d-man? He'd better be if you are looking to bring him onboard.

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:27 pm EST

RR--I can see that view. It will be open season on Kreider tomorrow. Best part about that is that he can dish it out. Problem is the Habs targeting Hank. Maybe AV should play Talbot.

Bob


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:26 pm EST

Personally, I am against having a 19 year old play a game, sit a game (or worse, play 1 and sit for 2). Someone that age with NHL aspirations should be playing EVERY game and getting, if their talent dictates it, top minutes. Duclair should be leading his Quebec team in 1) goals 2) assists 3) icetime 4) PP points and 5) overall leadership. This is especially valuable when playing for a good team, which the Remparts surely are. IMO, these learnings are huge and oftentimes immeasurable and part of the reason why Miller continues to struggle at the NHL level. Other than a fine WJC tourney 2 years ago, from what I can see that kid has never had sustained success of that magnitude since being drafted, and perhaps even before that. To me it's part of the maturation and confidence building process. There are 2 superb examples of this on the current Ranger squad: Lundqvist and Staal. Others include Hagelin, Hayes, McDonagh and Kreider. The only real success that Rangers have experienced having a kid turn pro early is Stepan, who left 2 years early and achieved instant success. That's a lousy track record looking at all the others who've failed (Blackburn, MDZ, Graham, Grachev, etc).

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:24 pm EST

Our future RHS sniper..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/10-year-old-sniper-notches-best-hat-trick-youll-see-all-season/

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:23 pm EST

RF: Hope you still have your center ice package...... Do you have any opinions on Edmonton's Mark Fayne & Jeff Petry? Both RHS..... sorry to put you on the spot... thank you

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:22 pm EST

I wouldn't mind cracking a few Habs' heads open. The refrain in the playoffs is you can't respond in kind to sucker shots on Brass & Step cause it's the playoffs, too much on the line. Well, there ain't shit on the line Saturday in October. I'd like Malone in there, he needs to get going as well. Thing is, who do you sit? Doesn't matter, seems AV has his mind made up. And yet again, he decided to err on the side of being a ......gentleman. Disagree. I want blood.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:13 pm EST

JCF: Agreed. I guess the counter point, which isn't much of one because it's not about eliminating the problem, is that these individuals are so screwed up they'd likely cause mayhem regardless. That said, having fuel for the fire, which ISIS is providing, certainly compounds the issue.

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:04 pm EST

I wouldn't be surprised to see AV use this pattern in order to keep Duclair up here getting enough NHL games/minutes to make it work...keep top 2 lines together and make bottom 2 interchangeable. Then if injuriies occur, he's got the guys he wants with the team and in Hartford to fill in.

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:02 pm EST

Some nice speed on that Hags-Moore-Duke line

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 11:54 am EST

I have always wanted to be just like HOSPO. Took me 15 or so years up here to finally make the grade. On AV-the guy gets it. Playing Duke in Montreal. No way the prior coach would do anything like that. You think the players don't see and appreciate it? I really like the way this guy handles things like this. The Rangers will not miss Malone against the Habs. They need Duke's speed.

Bob


Fri Oct 24 2014 11:54 am EST

Top two lines same; Duclair-Moore-Hagelin, Glass-Meuller-Stemp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 11:44 am EST

RR -- that's good news....many of us kinda thought that would happen....Duke is from Quebec, MTL is a fast team. Wonder how the lines will shape up? I wondered out loud the other day if Duke would be put on the 4th line but on the PP in order to make things work, but I don't think that will happen.

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 11:28 am EST

RF4L -- These ISIS savages are putting out propaganda videos telling INDIVIDUALS that they should strike out with violence on their own....and disturbed individuals and pathetic people with no purpose in life and full of anger are heeding these calls. Our governments are trying to downplay the connection, but it is there and unfortunately we're going to see more and more of these random attacks done in the name of Islam. It's no coincidence this guy changed his name and tried to get to Syria...the connection is that he was influenced by radical Islam and acted on it.

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 11:26 am EST

Duke in, Malone a spare @ practice.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 10:12 am EST

Oopps...NO ties...

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 10:12 am EST

JCF: Officials here in Canada have indicated the Ottawa thing was totally isolated and not related to ISIS and/or Islamic extremists. Instead, it was a some drugged-out loser who was angry and depressed and looked at Islam thru flawed eyes. His passport was revoked when he tried to fly to Syrian with the intention of joining the Islamic movement there. In addition there is ties between when he did and the nob who drove over 2 Canadian soldiers earlier this week outside of a Canadian army base (killing one). The good news is both assholes were shot dead. Well-deserved, IMO.

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 9:54 am EST

Bob - "Ahat irritates me is that wne someone actually hits him, he can't take it and turns onto an a-hole " said and typed in true Hospo fashion..:)

Hospo


Fri Oct 24 2014 8:53 am EST

On Chara: The guy is a freak of hockey nature. Ahat irritates me is that wne someone actually hits him, he can't take it and turns onto an a-hole running guys heads and attacking them with his stick. The good news is that he has slowed down considerably and won't be around forever. I still don't wish injuries on the guy.........I save that for Flyers players.

Bob


Fri Oct 24 2014 8:22 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/23/penguins-fans-sing-o-canada-in-touching-tribute-to-ottawa/ Very cool stuff from Penguins fans. Such a shame our brothers & sisters up north had to be touched by this sickness of Islamic extremism. Until we all realize that we are at WAR on a daily basis with people who want to murder us and we start taking all means necessary to stop them (all's fair in love and war), these tragedies will keep happening. Still waiting for our President to tell us it has nothing to do with Islam.

JFC31


Fri Oct 24 2014 8:16 am EST

if a winger is assigned to attack the puck on draws, they might win more50/50 pucks.....follow the puck......create a turnover, take possession.....come up with set plays on draws'.....can even decide to lose on purpose, to get the puck after that.....will it work?....I'm not sure.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 24 2014 8:06 am EST

More than having one bad night in the circle, AV was talking about winning 50/50 pucks, those loose off a scramble or a 'tied' draw if you will. That's a team thing, largely up to the wingers on a draw. It'll come. It's just one of those finer points that needs sharpening. I still see guys missing 10-ft passes they don't miss in January. It's deceptive sometimes because players can look sharp for 90% of the game,but until they settle into a groove and the rhythm of the season there are still some collective, rough edges.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 24 2014 7:32 am EST

Love it that Chara is hurt handing out a hit. I hope it's a serious knee injury and another step towards his retirement. I hate the way that man plays - he leads the Bruins in their holier than thou attitude when it comes to initiating intimidation vs taking it.

RF4L


Fri Oct 24 2014 7:23 am EST

YORK: Never played anything other then pond and adult hockey but I could dominate in the faceoff circle by doing exactly that. I never turned my hand over on the stick. My approach was to get a good strong base and watch the refs arm only. I never watched the puck. The instant the arm even twitched I went. Even when I didn't get the puck cleanly my stick and left skate (Right handed shot) usually made it hard for the other guy to get it cleanly. It doesn't take much to at least be adequate in the faceoff circle but the approach I saw from HAYES the other night isn't going to cut it. He'll learn. His hands are too good for him not to be decent at it over time.

Vic


Fri Oct 24 2014 6:45 am EST

Faceoffs over the Years I have had the chance to ask a number of pros about faceoffs and tricks etc. At one time faceoffs were a skill set there were so many things you could do to win one. That has changed due to the faceoff lines. TD said it's about reflex and he's right it's about who reads the drop correctly one trick I was told is not to watch the puck but rather the refs hand when it raises up you start your motion which forces the other center to have to angle slightly wider which allows you to get position with your blade but that's just reflex. The days of angling and tying up the stick or man and kicking the puck etc are gone that's why there are that small group who are great at it while the rest hover around the same area. It's a shame that it's become about reflexes it used to be am art form and this is coming from pros who were pretty good at the dot.

York18


Fri Oct 24 2014 4:33 am EST

mf- Can we assume that Chara is getting old? Its hard to judge for how long he can keep going. It feels like it could go either way, either he keeps like playing at the same level until he is like 44 y/o or he passes some kind of barrier and goes downhill quickly.

Ola


Fri Oct 24 2014 3:18 am EST

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/habs-get-ready-for-rangers

mf


Fri Oct 24 2014 12:51 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/zdeno-chara-injured-against-isles-increases-strain-on-bruins-already-thinned-out-defense-corps/

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:16 pm EST

Abdelkader wins it in OT for the Wings.... hahahahahahaha

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:14 pm EST

Nashville's James Neal 3, Chicago 1......

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:12 pm EST

Detriot just scored 2 late in the third to tie Shitzburg.... Good for the Wings.... The Isles beat Baston tonight & Chara left the game & did not return.... Prediction: Lucic reinjures his wrist/hand in a fight... I'd say we should slash that hand when we face them, but Shitzburg will do that for us... :-)

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:07 pm EST

That Konopka damn near beat us in a playoff series on faceoff ability alone. Id never seen that before. We couldnt get the puck!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:05 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/22/rangers-mueller-earns-praise-for-faceoffs/

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:05 pm EST

Give that little girl a cigar. smart kid...

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 8:34 pm EST

A first grade teacher in announces to her class that she is a Flyers fan. She then asks all her students who are Glyers fans to raise their hands. Because young kids want to please their teacher, all the students raise their hands except one named Mary. The teacher asks Mary why she isn't raising her hand and Mary says, "Because I'm a Rangers fan!" Hearing this, the teacher's face gets red and she asks Mary, "why on God's green earth are you a Rangers fan?" Mary replies, "because my mom and dad are Rangers fans, so I am too." The teacher is angry now and says, "tell me Mary, if you're dad and mom were both morons, would that make you a moron, too?" Mary smirks and says, " no, m'am, that would make me a Flyers fan!!"

JFC31


Thu Oct 23 2014 7:11 pm EST

There's would also be a new definition of "Flying Elbow!"

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 23 2014 7:10 pm EST

MF- How am I supposed to get this Dr Pepper off my computer screen after doing a spit take after reading about the hockey playing Leper? Thanks, hilarious!

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 23 2014 6:27 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I'm not sure faceoffs are really something that CAN be coached. Certainly there's some technique to it...but in my own personal experience, faceoffs seem 90 percent reflexes and 10 percent skill...have incredible reflexes, you're good in the faceoff circle...have bad reflexes, you're going to suck no matter how good your technique is...and in the NHL, you have all kinds of examples of guys who are incredible at faceoffs, and yet suck as players...Zenon Konopka for instance...

tdchi


Thu Oct 23 2014 6:18 pm EST

How do you know if the "Lepers" were playing hockey? There's a face off in the corner.... hahahahahahaha

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 6:02 pm EST

strevie..... It brings up the question... Why, why, why in the Wide World of Sports (Blazing Saddles reference) don't we have a faceoff coach?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 23 2014 5:26 pm EST

RR: Hopefully those words will motivate the Rangers every time they step on the ice versus the Bruins for a good long time... Hate that franchise longer than Philthy, just hate Philthy more.....

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 5:06 pm EST

STEVIE: A comment like that from HAYES is exactly what I like to see. The kid is taking responsibility for the problem. Now, he needs to back up those words in his play.

Vic


Thu Oct 23 2014 4:56 pm EST

FIGHTIN’ WORDS On Wednesday morning Islanders defenseman Johnny Boychuk said said he and his former Boston Bruin teammates overlooked the Montreal Canadiens in the second round of last spring’s playoffs because they were confident they could beat the Rangers in the Eastern Conference finals. “We knew that if we beat Montreal we knew we could beat the Rangers, and I think we were looking past it,” Boychuk said. Multiple Rangers players declined to respond, but a perplexed Vigneault at least chirped: “That’s why you’ve got to focus on the present, I guess. I don’t know how to answer that.”

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 4:27 pm EST

MF, IDK there's a set way to approach the points, R-L. AV obviously prefers that stick along the boards for keep-ins, as do many including myself. It also depends on what the PK is throwing at you sometimes, and like I saw Boyle saying, it's important to adjust and keep changing things up because teams scout so closely now. And that's why he likes to rotate sides on a single PP itself. I just know the greatest point tandem I ever saw, Leetch & Zubie, that's what we had and it worked LOL. I just looked up Zubie from 93-94. 89 points, 49 PP points. Unreal. Zuc lead the whole team last year with 59.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 4:05 pm EST

"Kevin Hayes apologized to linemates Rick Nash and Chris Kreider. “Nobody wants to play with a guy that keeps losing faceoffs,” the rookie center said after Rangers’ practice on Wednesday. “I told Rick and Kreids it won’t happen again.” "

stevielegs


Thu Oct 23 2014 3:53 pm EST

The CJC has a question: When on the PP, once we gain the offensive zone is it best to have a LHS D'man on the Right Point & a RHS D'man on the Left Point because the shooting angle from the points will originate from a spot closer to the center of the ice, ""OR"" is it just a play to create a different look while on the PP and shake things up, ""OR"", something else? .... I was under the impression that it is/was optimal having a RHS on Right point & LHS on Left Point for the purposes of preventing the puck from leaving the O-zone, but if there are greater advantages to be had when shooting from the point, I'd guess you'd switch them to a RHS on the Left & a LHS on the Right...... still clueless :->

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 3:51 pm EST

According to something called PowerScout hockey, Hagelin has the fastest top speed in hockey. dont ask me the mechanism or how they do it( its being cited by Sportsnet) but they compared him to guys like Ovie and Grabbner & Kessel, etc. Two things. As has been mentioned by many here, we havent seen that burst much yet this year. Whether Hags is nursing a nagging injury or not IDK. But also, didn't see them compare Hagelin to Kreider, who I think could be just a hair quicker in full flight. I do know if I had to choose, I would want Kreider running into me the least lol. I went to Hartford early last year, and Kreider took a run at someone just as he came off the bench and directly in front of me, and I was in the 2nd row. He was across the ice in a second or less, and the guy ducked so it was a partial hit. But I sounded like a bomb went off. In my playing days I got crushed by lots of big dudes, never hurt too bad thankfully. but Kreider is not a guy I'd want running into me at all.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 3:00 pm EST

Most def MF. That PP shot weve been missing forever. We can run it reverse if Boyle at left point, and could see few games he played he likes to swap sides live. Now if you have one-time threat on both sides it makes for a badass unit. Haggerty should be that guy for us but until he does any RHd shot will do! Except Step cause he wont shoot it!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 2:40 pm EST

Mueller is also one of the very few RHS we have; Stepan, Stempniak, Fast, Haggerty being the others. The game winner vs the Debbies coincidentally was scored by a RHS Klein... Just saying, we need a little balance there...

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 2:33 pm EST

Meuller is good on draws, as that seemed to be the concern of the day round here. He said hes real comfortable at the dot, and is glad its become a bigger & more focused on part of the game. Saw someone compare him to John Mitchell. Kinda I guess but Meuller has more skill.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 2:20 pm EST

mf - MUELLER played one game fine. And if he continues to, then he stays...I see the guy as a temporary fix though, and when STEPAN comes back, I believe he'll be back in the A...re: MILLER...all depends on what he does in the A. Three games, a goal and an assist...He's looked good down there..I'll give you another assessment on Saturday when I see him play...but I think the organization wants him to be in New York and sees him in New York...Mueller is a plugger...he's not a long-range solution...Miller is the future...when he gets his confidence back, he'll be in New York...who vanishes? Well DUCLAIR for one...and if Miller starts to catch fire...and MALONE continues to put up zeros, I think you're going to see him rotate with GLASS...lots of ifs, but I don't see Mueller being here next spring.

tdchi


Thu Oct 23 2014 1:59 pm EST

Well, with a healthy Stepan, I guess you're suggesting Mueller rides the bus to Hartford ahead of Hayes, it makes sense.... However, a stint in Hartford on 1st line with 20+mins per night will benefit Hayes IMO. We don't have that luxury...... AON, Mueller's been playing fine.......

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 1:13 pm EST

And count me as one who will be FLOORED if HAYES is sent to the minors. Said it when he was signed...he joined the Rangers because they offered him a chance to play in the NHL...if he or the Rangers thought he was AHL material, he'd be in a Penguins, Avalanche or Bruins jersey right now...big part of that deal was the Rangers telling him the roster spot was his to lose. Guarantee it.

tdchi


Thu Oct 23 2014 1:10 pm EST

moof - The Preds are the only team without a regulation loss...hate to break it to you, but they ain't shopping Goose any time soon...and if they were...you realize what he was traded for the last time? Yep. A first rounder...and at $3.25 million...GAUSTAD isn't exactly a steal...Rangers had a chance to sign a player like him...probably better...for only $2 million...and they late him skate on down to Tampa.

tdchi


Thu Oct 23 2014 12:29 pm EST

I guess Hayes could be sent to Hartford..

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 12:27 pm EST

Wild: that center consultant happens to still be playing. His name is Paul Gaustad and he's earning $3.25 mil this year & next... Once we get our defensive 6 straightened out, he could be the difference between winning the Cup & not.... I bet he'd attract plenty of interest if the Predators don't make the playoffs.. With a healthy STEPAN, DuClaw in Jr's., & JTMiller in Hartford, we already have have 13 forwards, Gaustad would make 14.... Someones got to go the other direction......

mf


Thu Oct 23 2014 12:10 pm EST

Hospo/Ola: I know we have to get in the POs and all, but I think that will happen even if Nash 'only' scores 30-35. I'm glad to see him doing well but again, if he disappears when it counts so much more in the spring, then we are truly behind the eight-ball, despite making it five games into the Finals last year with him doing zilch. I wouldn't count on that lightning striking again.

Nick


Thu Oct 23 2014 11:52 am EST

TD, nothing would surprise me with line combos. AV is searching for what'll work. I think any trio he tries that scores or looks real good a few games, he'll keep going back to until they falter. Ive said before why I think moving Zuc, one of their most creative guys, does him a disservice. But if it clicks with Hayes or whomever, it aint broke & dont break it. Also, one bad (horrible) night on draws doesnt mean KH is done as a center. He was good agaist SJ & Thorton if I remember.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 23 2014 11:43 am EST

For all of you going to next game make sure to sing 'O Canada' in support of our good friends up north; as I've said earlier we cannot imagine a better and more loyal neighbor. God speed.

_Arc


Thu Oct 23 2014 11:33 am EST

stevielegs - yeah, faceoffs aren't an easy thing...certainly not for anyone in a blueshirt. Team has been historically awful on faceoffs and the powerplay, which makes its success even more befuddling...As for HAYES...really too bad we don't have BOYLE around to show him the ropes in the FO circle...he really used his size to his advantage there...unfortunately for Hayes, there simply isn't the time for him to get that experience...yet another reason I think he's destined for the wing...in specific, on the BRASSARD line...once STEPAN comes back. I know RR was saying he's an RW and the Rangers wouldn't move him to the left...well, I can see them moving ZUCC to the left and having that line match up...actually, it'd be a very good line, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Oct 23 2014 9:33 am EST

Draws have been an issue for, well, forever it seems with this team. What they need to do is go and find someone who made a career out of it. Not one of these star players, but one of those 4th line lifers who had a career 55% or better. Those guys used technique to win draws, not size, or strength, or pure stick ability, they figured out great technique and practiced it. They need to get one of those guys signed on as a consultant. Have the centers (and some wingers who PK like Hags) stick around after practice or get on the ice a bit early and work with the specialist on draws, work regularly until they get better, than work some more. Its something that can be "learned better" and should be focused on. When the Rangers get the puck they are a great team, with out it they are a good team.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 23 2014 8:35 am EST

Hayes needs to watch some tape on Brian Boyle taking draws. Similar stature and BB was our best last year.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 23 2014 8:15 am EST

TD: Actually MUELLER went in for HAYES on draws in the third period. AV was asked about why he swapped MUELLER for HAYES after the game. What he said was that HAYES was struggling with draws (which we all saw) and that he was putting MUELLER out for HAYES on draws in the 3rd with the intention of changing on the fly after the draw if possible. They did just that about half of the time. At other times it wasn't possible to change on the fly so MUELLER stayed out and they swapped spots for a shift or two. I really don't see it as a big deal. I don't see AV putting MUELLER in for HAYES on the #1 line moving forward. It was a reaction to what was happening through 2 periods in a game and a good move IMHO. HAYES does need to work with someone on draws. His approach is really passive and he doesn't seem to use his body at all. You aren't going to win too many draws if all you do is wave at the puck with your stick from an upright posture.

Vic


Thu Oct 23 2014 7:56 am EST

"And Mueller didn’t waste much time making the move look good. He scored a power play goal in Tuesday’s overtime win over the Devils and provided decent faceoff work after Kevin Hayes went 0-10 in that department. "

stevielegs


Thu Oct 23 2014 7:38 am EST

td Hayes was 0-10 on faceoffs.....time to be taught and practice....or not take them or not be a center.....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 23 2014 6:53 am EST

mf - only one problem: HAYES got yanked off that line after the first period. MUELLER and MOORE played the bulk of those minutes.

tdchi


Thu Oct 23 2014 6:30 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/23/st-louis-playing-an-all-around-game-but-one-things-missing/

stevielegs


Wed Oct 22 2014 9:44 pm EST

Goals against table: We're in 23rd position with a 3.29 g.a.p/g avg... http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLSAAAll&sort=avgGoalsAgainstPerGame&viewName=goalsAgainst .................... Last year we finished in 4th place overall with a 2.32 g.a p/g avg & 190 goals against overall........http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?season=20132014&gameType=2&viewName=goalsAgainst

mf


Wed Oct 22 2014 9:35 pm EST

Team Penalty Stats, definitely room for improvement. We are tied for 4th/5th most # of penalties with 37, we're averaging 13 penalty minutes per game which is 20th in the league....... http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLSAAAll&sort=totalPenalties&viewName=penalties

mf


Wed Oct 22 2014 5:36 pm EST

Is Jagr still a horse or what even without speed he's still a bully along the boards .

ilya


Wed Oct 22 2014 4:54 pm EST

Good interview with Nash on ESPN Radio. Says he's never seen another player like Kreider. Shot power,the size & speed, how he works out. Said Hayes took it to Thorton a bit, was impressive. Talked about concussions, said it's tough situation but he feels great'. I'd c & p but can't.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 3:58 pm EST

Right on MF. Kreider, that was just a helluva play. He basically attacked a defender, went right at him, as he was cutting across the ice, as another defender closed in, to open space for the trailer Klein. A few nifty stick-handles throw in, all at high speed. Mueller contributed too, taking his man out. And Klein with a goal scorer's finish. Great stuff. And I said I couldn't stand the idea of MSL with Zuc-Co. (Haha). But I then had to say how STUPID I was last night because they look mostly amazing, one great setup after another. And Brassard's hurting now. Imagine when healthy.. That might be one of those lines, it goes against conventional thinking but damn, try to a stop them. Zuc should've had a few last night.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 3:24 pm EST

Yes ladies & gents, we have a new word in the English language: "Yuse" (lol) ..... ie: yuse guys are nuts.... as a contraction: y'use as in you use.... pass the meds!

mf


Wed Oct 22 2014 3:21 pm EST

I'm liking this Kreider / Hayes / Nash line.. It's got to be one of the biggest lines in the league averaging 6'4" & 220 - 225 lbs... Kreiders physical side of the game is in an uptrend, & I don't think he & Hqayes are going to allow opponents to take liberties with Nash, at least I hope they don't... Hayes has shown that he knows how to yuse his reach to full advantage, last night was a perfect example where he carried the puck from behind our net into the neutral zone, all the while using a free hand to ward off his defenders stick.. Nash we know places his body between himself & the defender regularly.. On the winning goal in OT, Kreider displayed just that prior to dissing off to Klien for the winner........ Good line there...... The smurfs seem like they could develop some really sick chemistry.. Maybe being so low to the ice they see things others don't :-), actually, they just see the game in another dimention than most & seem to know where to guy because the pucks going there... Then we have a normal size line..... I swear, last night I was thinking that it's like "the three world's of Gulliver" out there... Anywho, good 2 points, interesting we have all this time off, allows Stepan time to heal.. If he's in game shape by the first half of December or sooner, that'll be good.. also gives Boyle time to heal, his defensive side of the game really worries me though...

mf


Wed Oct 22 2014 2:57 pm EST

AV said he didnt know if Step was prepping to skate today/tomorrow, but sounds like he's getting close. AV also said treating this break in sked like a mini camp, lots of work with coaches & conditioning theres usually not time for. another reason to keep Duclair around. Nash had two brain injuries. The intuition or the touch - or both went MIA. he couldve been done if he wasnt smart, and where would we be? We wouldve had nothing. Instead, we're finally getting the monster we traded for. And he is an unruly beast right now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 1:29 pm EST

Ranger47 - I think Nash is in better shape this year both physically and mentally...I think last year's POs though a downer because he couldn;t score, showed him that his noggin could handle the tuff stuff...And you knew he was too talented not find the scoring touch again if he played a fairly confident game..

Hospo


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:56 pm EST

BTW, I thought Hayes was just fine in his 2nd game at 1C. He's learning. Lots of good twoway play (especially helping out D in our end against that relentless Devil forecheck). And although Michiletti called the shot on the tying goal as coming from Kreider, it was (I believe) a Hayes shot and rebound which Nash scored on. Give him time...I think Hayes is going to be just fine on that line....

Ranger47


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:54 pm EST

I have to believe that the biggest difference is that Nash us in better shape this year. Last year I commented on how many times Nash was "overpowered" by the opponent and made snow angels. I can't recall seeing him off his feet this year. Moreover, I noticed a few times this year when he was driving to the net and able to keep control of the puck despite having a defended hanging onto him. Even when I see him this year trying the spin-a-rama in front of the net he's been able to hang onto the puck as opposed to last year where he was easily stopped by the D. Hope we see this from him the rest of the year (and, especially the POs)!

Ranger47


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:46 pm EST

I'd be real happy with Nash getting 50/50 , even that probably is a pipe dream.....but he does seem to be on a mission so far....big easy to big daddy....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:25 pm EST

90+ goals for Nash is ridiculous! No more than 80 or so... :) Last night I was liking the chemistry between MZA and MSL but noticed the seeming lack of presence of Brass (except for that nice pass to Mueller to make it 3-2). Seeing him get a maintenance day today helps make sense of his invisibility last night...

Ranger47


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:25 pm EST

how did crybaby do in the playoffs? would you trade him if he was on the nyr?

stevielegs


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:20 pm EST

Meanwhile, they keep shooting up Canada, we shouldnt even go Saturday. Lebrun tweeted a link, video was just what he said it was. Chilling.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:11 pm EST

WILD-Way to out on a limb and predict that Nash won't score 90+ goals for the year.

thedoc85


Wed Oct 22 2014 12:00 pm EST

Hospo& Nick- I directed the last post a Hospo, but after reading his post again I think I should have replied to you Nick. Appology for te confusion lol

Ola


Wed Oct 22 2014 11:57 am EST

Hospo- I know that mentality is widespread but I don't like it at all. I think it's problematic and (very) destructive for the team. The idea that we will enter the POs in say 6-7 months with the biggest buzz around the team being if one individual will score goals or not is pretty sickening. Nash was not good at all against Boston two years ago. He was decent in the POs last season, but his unit as a whole just wasn't able to take the toughest match-ups and achive the things that needs to be achived to be productive at that level. It's so New York Knicks to make the NYR 2014 about Rich Nash. This is a good hockey team, not the NBA.

Ola


Wed Oct 22 2014 11:46 am EST

NICK - Totally disagree again,,,,Every one of Nash's goal's means "shit"..To win the cup, you have to make the POS....Without NASH, the Rangers ain't getting the points......Let's get a dominant regualr season from him first (he's on the way), then we can worry about his PO legacy which, I agree, is one big zero so far.....Good for MUELLER...I first thought he was just a roster fodder signing but the guy earned a spot in camp only to be sent down....Glad he was called back and responded...You perform you play..simple as that..You don't you sit...

Hospo


Wed Oct 22 2014 11:23 am EST

Brass & Moore maintenance day. Geez. Calling all centers

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 10:40 am EST

Lindberg scored again. Miller assist. Haggerty 2A's. Kristo 3 pts.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 10:33 am EST

Nash; who would you rather have today, him or Dubi & Anisimov? On Duclair, I see no need for any consternation what so ever. He's where he should be. How long he stays is up to him - and the coach. An experienced coach we hired, took us to the SCFs yr 1, maybe he knows a little of what he's doing? I wouldn't be concerned until I saw Duke missing big chunkcs of games, i.e. being Malhotra'd. But no question IMO, he's better of taking line rushes every day against McDonagh (I question the shoulder too Vic, a lot), shooting on Hank, skating with Nash. Duclair is a baby. Such a baby we can't even AHL him if we want. But he's learning so much, games are almost inconsequential when he's going for his Masters here in how to be an NHL scoring wing. I would expect him to play Saturday, but after that who knows. Seems clear though he won't be in this process very long, and they'll make a decision I'd think no later than Thanksgiving the latest, or when Step returns the earliest.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 10:28 am EST

The Nasher with eight goals! Woo-hoo! But wait: what month is it again? Hey, I hope he scores 60, as I've said. But unless he erases that 2-in-27 playoff mark or whatever it is, this doesn't mean a hill of shit. I still see that Game 5 second-OT off-Voynov's-stick in my sleep.

Nick


Wed Oct 22 2014 10:08 am EST

2000: I will say this about Nash. He will NOT keep the current pace, not that I think he isn't this good, but its rare for players like him to keep this type of pace, held even Crosby has 3-4 game stretched with no points, and will go 7-8 games with only 1 or 2, he then puts up 4 or 5 in a night of course, but still, top end skill guys tend to be hot and cold, never just steady. So Nash will seemingly come crashing back down to Earth, than get hot again a little later and it will be up and down. If he stays healthy though, I think we see 35-40 goals and 45-50 assists. More so if Boyle comes back strong and helps the PP get going, Nash will just benefit from that even more.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 22 2014 10:05 am EST

RF4L: I sort of agree....only that if he plays one of the next 2 I will be OK. Saturday just seems right, the setup is good, he speed will work well, the flow will be high and he is built for that type of game. The bog thing is, the Rangers want to keep hands on with him as much as possible. They have 3 days of practice before the next game, than 1 day off, a game day, than 4 days off for practice. I think we will see him around through that time. If they don't get him join a game I think he goes back. But the practice time is valuable to a young guy, yes playing is important, but practicing with the NHL club goes a long way. hell there are kids in Junior who have a visible improvement in their play and stuff after just a week of NHL level camp, Duclair has games and practices under his belt, a few more won't hurt. I also see this as normal AV, he plays young guys a few games, gets a handle on them, sits them to watch and teaches in practice for a bit (Rangers had been hurt by lack of practice days and working to end the slump)than he gets them back in to see if they are at least trying to adjust their game, if so, the cycle starts over, and they will end up sitting again at some point. AHL kids are bounced up and down at times, especially if they are struggling to get "it" after they are taught. SO this isn't a surprise to me at all, I expected it.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 22 2014 10:00 am EST

So many questions for Nash. Can he keep this pace up? Will we see 100pts from him? Maybe 40+ goals and 60+ assists? Will he stay healthy all season? This is the Rick Nash we wanted to see in the playoffs last year! If we had this Nash, the Rangers fate would have been MUCH different in the Stanley Cup Finals!

rangerfan2000


Wed Oct 22 2014 9:22 am EST

Vic: If Duclair isn't in, he most definitely should be sent back to juniors.

RF4L


Wed Oct 22 2014 8:59 am EST

So what's the story with Duclair? Will we see him in the lineup again? Is he being sent to Juniors? I didn't think he played bad at all.. actually, fairly decent the first couple of games, but he seemed to fall victim to the "scapegoat syndrome" for the losses they had.

rangerfan2000


Wed Oct 22 2014 8:42 am EST

Vic: I agree. Montreal is all about bringing the speed. Declare would be a good fit, that along with him being from Montreal (I think anyway) will give him an extra jump for the night.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 22 2014 8:26 am EST

RF4L: I'm betting that DUCLAIR is in for MALONE because of the speed factor/issue. The Rangers will want to ice the fastest team they can and this game will probably be a track meet in that respect. It should be fun to watch but the motivation is definitely in Montreal's favor. I don't anticipate the game getting ugly/dirty unless the Rangers go up big on Montreal. The Rangers aren't looking for that kind of game but Montreal could go there if they get down big. I could even see them going there if they go up big in the game.

Vic


Wed Oct 22 2014 8:18 am EST

Let's see. A Saturday night in Montreal, with the refs and all their b.s., Habs out for revenge. Umm ....not terribly hopeful. Although, last time I thought that think it was 6-2 NYR early 3rd and they were loading Price into an ambulance LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 22 2014 7:53 am EST

Ola: Montreal will steamroll the Rangers if they decide they don't need to show up until the 3rd period on Saturday. They are firing on all cylinders and will be looking for a little PO elimination revenge...it'll be ugly unless the Rangers bring their A game I suspect.

RF4L


Wed Oct 22 2014 5:09 am EST

I thought we would have lost this one. We are not quite there yet as a team and while NJD lack a lot of things -- they are extremely good at taking advantage of teams that "aren't there yet". Very nice to see us come through with 2 pts. I agree with everyone else, things aren't always pretty when we play. But that don't quite worry me long term. I see two main problems, we are a bit shaky at center with Stepan out AND our blueline can be pressured when Boyle is out.

Ola


Wed Oct 22 2014 4:34 am EST

Schedule looks a little strange the next 4, 5, 6 weeks. A couple of looking breaks between games... Then most of November looks like a game every other night.

hipcheck


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:31 pm EST

Montreal is tops in the league in the standings... It's a long way until Saturday Night with Les' Habs..... I'm not so quick to Malone out of the line-up, but he better wipe this, I'm so happy to be playing smile off his face, and start rubbing people out along to boards until it hurts.... If DuClaw must be in the line-up, it's a tough call who sits after a 3 day rest.... Don't underestimate this years Frogs, they've won the last 3 just as we have, except they're at the top of the chart...... Sprechen Sie Deutsch Froggy?

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:18 pm EST

As Old as they are Jags is still a horse even without speed man he's strong along the boards and still makes plays , this guy still makes ppl around him effective.

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:58 pm EST

Klein first D-man to score for Rangers this season. Aside from tonight, Moore has been pretty good in my opinion. Third on team in hits behind Glass and Girardi, Seventh on team in shots, behind only McD among D-men. Tonight he got something like three fewer shifts than he usually does, while top pair got about six more than normal, for whatever reason.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:53 pm EST

As for the individuals.....HANK played well again. I can't blame any of the three that went in on him and he was awesome when he needed to be. That breakaway by ELIAS was the game. If it goes in the Rangers are done. HANK kept them in it long enough for them to wake up. On D.....strong game for HUNWICK. GIRARDI is such a warrior. He is so unappreciated around here but the guy may be the toughest I have ever seen in terms of playing through pain and injury. McDONAGH is not playing well. I'll throw this out there with no factual evidence of any kind. Is his shoulder right? He never had surgery after the injury last year. I'm wondering if he should have because he doesn't look right to me. Centers.....HAYES didn't play as well as he did against the Sharks and he was God awful in the faceoff circle. He has to improve there otherwise he is going to see his ice time taken by others as happened in the 3rd period. AV even said it after the game. He put MUELLER in for the draws. But, HAYES had some nice moments in this game including the shot that NASH eventually scored on the rebound. Speaking of MUELLER....strong game. He did what they brought him up to do (bring life to the PP). He also was solid in the 3rd and in overtime. BRASSARD was essentially invisible until that nice pass to MUELLER on the PP goal. MSL and MZA started to show some chemistry. KREIDER did some great things and took two penalties that hurt the team. Mixed night for him for sure but the game winning play was a beautiful play that was created by KREIDER. NASH looks like a shark out there and he was pretty good all game long. He went right to the net and pounced on that rebound unlike what he would have done last year. He is a pleasure to watch this year. MALONE had the kind of game that gets you pulled out of the lineup in favor of DUCLAIR next game. I'm calling that switch right now. I like the idea of MALONE on this team but if AV is going to use him like he has so far MALONE really doesn't have a place on this team.

Vic


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:35 pm EST

Definitely a frustrating game to sit through for 2 plus periods. The Rangers had little energy or spark for most of the game. I've said it many times over the years that this team has a habit of sleepwalking through games. That is why I always loved guys like AVERY and CARCILLO on this team. They make it impossible for your team to sleepwalk through games. GLASS has done his job so far but the Rangers really miss having a guy who is a complete asshole to play against. A guy who starts scrums every shift. Part of the lack of any flow in the game is the fact that the Devils have a way of sucking the life out of a hockey game. They may be old and may not have great team speed but they can still clog a game up better then a 5 pound tub of butter in a fat woman's arteries. Before I get into individual performances I just wanted to make the point that wins like this matter. It matters that your team can come back from and win a game where they are down 2 goals in the 3rd period on the road. That is a rare thing in today's NHL. At the end of the day it was a road win against a division opponent who had them down and presumably out with under 20 minutes to go. I'll take it with sprinkles on top while telling those D-BAG Devils fans who were chanting at HANK to shove it up their rectums.

Vic


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:51 pm EST

Thought first was exciting. Lotta prime chances. Schneider was good. Some of our shots werent. Penalties disrupt flow & Devs never fun, Jagr apparently will never stop. Real nice for Mueller (2 big pts; guy is showing he can help in some form) & Klein. Better ending than last one for him.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:26 pm EST

PJ: Hunwick is playing a solid game. He plays with some balls as far as jumping into the "O" zone. He takes the body effectively also. Something that bothers me about our defense is the amount of outright storming of the King by the other team. How many times tonight did the Devs flip it to the net, send everyone in and get multiple whacks at Hank? We are not a very physical defense and the return of Boyle won't help. We will see. Rangers have a ton of games in November and the riding of McD and Girardi will not fly IMO.

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:25 pm EST

Got some surprising contributions tonight: Chris Mueller, 28 yr old in only his 48th NHL game scores his 3rd NHL goal.... Kevin Klein, scores his 1st of the season & 18th career goal in 440 contests..... cool

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:13 pm EST

Nash Math: On pace for 93.714282 goals this season... Nothing like round numbers :->

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:12 pm EST

John Moore is lucky Hunwick is a right handed shot and AV doesn't like to play D on the opposite side.....When Boyle comes back he could be odd man out....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:08 pm EST

Moof do the Nash math

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:07 pm EST

We're tied with Toronto for 3rd most penalized in the league with 28.... Easy math here StevieAbacus, thats 4 penalties per game. Got to get that figure down to 3..... jmho naturally..... http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20152ALLSAAAll&sort=timesShort&viewName=penaltyKill

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:59 pm EST

Klien scored two one for each team

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:59 pm EST

I LOOOOOOOVE winning, Lets go Raaan-gers. Woohoo!

WIOSA


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:58 pm EST

Malone had no shots, no hits, played less time than Glass tonight. Unless he was being rested, certainly a candidate for Duke to replace against Montreal.////// Girardi and McDonaugh each logged over 28:00 tonight. Cant keep that up going forward. Oddly enough it was John Moore playing the fewest, with >13. Hunwick got >16, Klein >15.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:57 pm EST

JFC.Maybe its too early to say its a sign of a good team that finds the way to win even when they play like shit or we got lucky against the oldest slowest team in the league . Man oh man lack of speed will comeback and bite the devils wonder if Lou is playing for the top pick lol

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:55 pm EST

If the Broadway Hat was white, Klein would look like a young Colonel Sanders!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:54 pm EST

Boys are starting to build something.

hipcheck


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:54 pm EST

MF... It's early in the season . We still have guys trying to find their game and guys trying to figure out what their role on the team is. Not to mention, we're in the process of developing chemistry. It takes time. Patience is key. That being said, we're still light years ahead of last years pace at this time. It's gonna be a bit up and down until the team hit's it's stride.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:50 pm EST

And no way we make it past second round last season without MSL.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:50 pm EST

Mule er took the d man past the goalie to leave Klien a wide open lane

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:49 pm EST

Always nice to beat the Devils....still doesn't excuse the fact we only played about 30 minutes and showed little intensity. Like the chemistry that seems to be de loping between Zucc & MSL....too bad Brass wasn't in on the fun. Lineup needs a shakeup,for next game. Methinks Duke will be in and Malone or Hayes sits. Duke is from Quebec, so I suspect AV was gonna play him anyway vs. MTL

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:48 pm EST

MSL is our second leading scorer just 7 games in, and our first is Nash- (who would have predicted that?) and no one on this roster put up as many points as MSL last season. I don't know how anyone gets third-line winger from those facts.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:44 pm EST

2 the hard way.... This damn franchise, it's like, they got to go the distance

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:44 pm EST

Nothing like dropping the Devils at the Rock......What a play by Kreider....Speed kills.....We need to use it for 60 minutes....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:43 pm EST

Step: whadda call! ;-)

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:43 pm EST

Great pass Kreids !

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:42 pm EST

The Great One does it again, KEVIN KLEIN ! yeah baby, 2 points & it counts!

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:42 pm EST

KLEIN IS FINE!!!!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:41 pm EST

KLINNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:41 pm EST

Klien line

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:40 pm EST

Stempi hit the crossbar late in the 3rd

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:39 pm EST

That is "we" will win

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:38 pm EST

We suck 4 on 4. There I said it now they will win.

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:37 pm EST

msl is and was a good player but what dies he do for this team? how has he made a difference. at least duke is 19 and jt miller is 21 both are young AND SHOULD GET BETTER.msl isnt getting better. he is no better than a 3rd lie winger n this team..zucc neds to start making a difference as well. he shouldnt be looked at for how funny or how much a wise ass he is produce

KIS


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:35 pm EST

Actually Stempniak has played well again....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:25 pm EST

Has Stempniak been seen tonight? Had to look at the boxscore to see if he was even dressed..

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:25 pm EST

Rangers de ode to start skating hard and they score 2 goals....what a coincidence!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:23 pm EST

Good forecheck by Nash....then he goes to the net and the puck finds him...when you're hot, you're hot!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:22 pm EST

Nash is in the groove..... 1 more for the win..... :-)

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:21 pm EST

Dickalletti bitching about call favoring Rangers???? Oh yes NAAAASSSHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:20 pm EST

As much as I wanted Malone in the lineup he needs to start doing something...Will be sitting if he doesn't....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:14 pm EST

good to have a RHS on the PP....... Mueller, good job.... 1 more for the tie

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:13 pm EST

Mule er

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:07 pm EST

Considering we don't play again till Sat this is completely unacceptable. No energy against the older team...WTF!

rngrsans


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:06 pm EST

Nash bowl the defender over instead of trying to slip between and hit the goalie grow a pair

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:03 pm EST

This kind of game calls for the 4th line to try and provide a spark

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:03 pm EST

Hank being outdone again. This Club needs a shake-up already. MIA performance by too many to mention tonite. No intensity.

pa.rangersfan


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:02 pm EST

Its a half assed effort by the Rangers. No one willing to take the body or play the man

rngrsans


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:01 pm EST

Brassard looks like sh!t

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:00 pm EST

Have to say Hags stinks also....no back check what so ever

rngrsans


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:59 pm EST

You people mean to tell me that Boyle meant that much to the fucking PK. what the hell does moore do on this team. AV better get this team going. MCD show some leadership because your team sucks right now as do you!!!!!!!!!!!

KIS


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:58 pm EST

Other than a few good shifts by Zucc & MSL, the Rangers have no spark, no spirit. Ridiculously bad effort...losing 3-1 to this team is a JOKE!

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:53 pm EST

PJ.... The penalty kill is currently running at 87.0%... Last year with Boyle we averaged 85.3% for the entire season(3rd overall in the NHL). It's just different without him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:50 pm EST

this team just doesn't have it. their workers don't out work. they have no toughness. that midget line can skate all day but are they effective? No!!!! its a fuckin side show. I put the blame on AV. He should know the sound of a fart from each player. Its not like he hasn't been with most for over a year. he should know the strengths and weaknesses of each player. Hell I can see in 10 min if a person can play in soccer this guy has miler for 2 fuckin years and he dosn't know his ability. I expected a faast start to this team with th core and most players coming back. With the injuries I was willing to give some leeway but what this team is doing is horseshit. This over fuckin 40 team is beating them. unbelievable

KIS


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:41 pm EST

Game is missing sandpaper grit .... Have to pound the old guys or they play young...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:41 pm EST

PK not the same without Boyle.....Not enough offense in this game....Hayes and Hunwick best Rangers on the ice tonight....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:39 pm EST

If there was ever a case of embellishing, that was it. It was downright Plekanic-ing.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:34 pm EST

Hank... Please stop handling the puck, please just stop.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:34 pm EST

Bad call on Malone and Klein needs to block the shot or get out of the way....

PJ


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:31 pm EST

Bs penalty call on Malone

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:24 pm EST

Haggerty was one of the last cuts and one of the highest praised kids in camp. If he didn't benefit from tagging along last season, then I'd hate to think how stellar the kid would have been had he played 82 in the AHL

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:17 pm EST

Jagr,Elias,Havlat, Cammalleri,Salvador,Clowe,Zubras ,Ryder, Zidlicky and list go on and on , bunch of over the hill vets, we should dominate the game !!!!

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:11 pm EST

Ilya's right....we should be skating circles around these clowns. Instead, we're playing down to their speed.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:06 pm EST

Hayes really takes advantage of his reach & big body.. The kid has good poise, confident calmness to him.... Thank you Jerry York

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:05 pm EST

Devils are one of the oldest slowest teams in the league and we're one of the quickest i dont understand how the devils were able to manage 11 shots on goals even , its Schneider who should be getting alot of work not Hank lol

ilya


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:01 pm EST

Schultzie: who woulda figured? ;-)

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:49 pm EST

I know NOTHING. Cause Zuc line with MSL is making some gorgeous plays. No one knows where theyre going except them.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:35 pm EST

That was a crap penalty call on Kreider.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:35 pm EST

Rosen & Micheletti are always homers for our opposition.. WTF!? Fire these two already...

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 6:04 pm EST

If they had to, the Rangers could do,what they did with Zucc early on in his Rangers career....spot on the 4th line and put him on the PP. That way he gets ice time and he also gets top-6 type minutes on the PP

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:52 pm EST

RF4L -- good point....if the Rangers feel Duclair is a top option on the wing, especially as a scorer and better than any option at Hartford, then the Rangers will try to keep him here so that he will be available in case of injuries. Once he goes down, he's gone until April. Again, if that's the case, AV is going to try his best to have his cake and eat it too...get Duclair enough ice to keep him sharp. If he can't do,that, then he'll have no choice but to return him

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:40 pm EST

AV's comments verify exactly what I stated....the Rangers are not happy with their only option being sending The Duke down to Jrs. AV does not think it's the best place for him....if he did, he'd be gone already. They would,rather leave him here, let him learn and get into as many games as possible....the only way he's going back,is if they are FORCED because things are not working out regarding ice time. Right now, they'd rather hold onto,him, see if they can spot him on a regular basis.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:25 pm EST

Hockey history..."Fastest three goals: Bill Mosienko, 21 seconds on March 23, 1952 Mosienko and the Chicago Black Hawks (that's how they spelled it in those days) appeared to be on the way to a season-ending loss to the New York Rangers at Madison Square Garden when Mosienko had the greatest shift of any player in NHL history. The speedy right wing beat Rangers goaltender Lorne Anderson at 6:09 of the third period … and at 6:20 … and again at 6:30. That's three goals in 21 seconds, an accomplishment that has never been approached (for perspective: Jean Beliveau is next with three in 44 seconds, more than twice as long). Mosienko's record-setting night in the Hawks' 7-6 win has overshadowed his career accomplishments. He and the Bentley brothers, Max and Doug, formed the "Pony Line," one of the great trios in NHL history. He finished his 14-year NHL career (all with Chicago) with 258 goals and 282 assists for 540 points -- good enough to earn him a berth in the Hall of Fame."

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:05 pm EST

“Obviously each player is different, each case you have in front of you is different,” Vigneault said. “In Anthony’s case, if we send him back to juniors, we can’t bring him up, we don’t have that leeway of sending him to Hartford then after a couple of games bringing him back up. I do think in Anthony’s case, my experience, because I’ve coached in junior before, coached in the American League and been coaching in the NHL for a couple of years, I’ve got a pretty good grasp of our time frame with him and right now he’s not playing tonight. He’s going to practice and we’ll see the next game.”

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:01 pm EST

IMO (and yes, this is pure speculation), the reason Duclair hasn't been demoted is that the Rangers don't like their depth and are concerned, down 1 forward already, if someone else gets hurt, there's no one they like on the farm to step into a top 9 position. What that says about the likes of Fast, Lindbergh, Haggerty and yes, Jitters Miller is rather deafening. I mean, to think that Duclair is better served not playing vs being the go to guy on his junior team is just plain foolishness IMO.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:53 pm EST

Please explain how Haggerty 'obviously benefitted' from watching on the side lines last year with the Rangers. And Sather's track record when it comes to forcing kids to turn pro prematurely is dubious, at best.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:53 pm EST

Earlier today AV said Kostka would get the call if necessary...soon after, turns out Girardi's playing. Gotta admit, AV is a master motivator!

LeoS


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:47 pm EST

are = are not

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:47 pm EST

well at least the nyr are the subject of disaster.....until they lose again.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:42 pm EST

Everyone take a deep breath. Haggerty obviously benefitted from training with a pro squad and not playing last season. Like AV said, once Duke goes down, that's it for the year. Not like Miller, who could and might be back next week. Stepan comes back from injury soon and someone will move. Until then, Duke is likely having the time and experience of his young life, and Miller is leading Hartford. so let's all just chill on the edge- of-the-cliff, ruining-our-kids hyperbole a whopping 6 (six) games into the season!

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:40 pm EST

Wait. You guys can't be serious that DUCLAIR is better off watching tape and practicing rather than playing in a game-time minutes, right? You realize he'd be practicing and watching video if he were back in Quebec...AND playing 20-plus minutes a night for a team with an 82-game season...C'mon people. I know we all like Duke, but really. Read the writing on the wall here. Tempo is getting faster. Hits are getting harder. Play is picking up...and if MUELLER is any indication of where the Rangers are with MILLER, than he's also a nice metric to show you were they are with Duke. Mueller in New York means Duke on the bench. That is, unless Zucc or MSL goes back to the middle and HAYES sits. How many here see that happening?

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:32 pm EST

York - Whoa, buddy...slow down...NEVER said the Rangers would 'move Hayes to wing to get Miller up'...never said it...said I don't think HAYES will be at center...certainly not second-line center...once STEPAN comes back...And let's not mince words here...Wallsters have been gushing over Hayes for the past three days...the kid has had ONE solid game and a couple other pedestrian ones...he's made good plays...he's made some questionable plays...I've said all along I think he belongs in New York...don't think he would have signed here if he thought he was simply moving his team from Rockford to Hartford...And I've been talking about this kid long before Brooks ever suggested the Rangers sign him...but before I say he's going to supplant Step or BRASSARD, I'm going to need to see A LOT more than a couple games...what I DID say is that I could see him sliding into the second-line winger's position...and THEN Miller would slide into third-line center...Frankly, I think that scenario is more likely than the Rangers moving MALONE up to second line...though that's an idea I would support myself...in no way do I think this organization will move one player out of a position he's performed adequately just so they can give a less-proven player a shot. Not my words and say what you will about my support for Miller, it's no where near the level of mania that would prompt that irrational thought...Now...Re: KREIDER...yeah...he potted goals...in the playoffs...then he came to Hartford and sucked...then he came to New York and sucked(actually, he and Miller both only scored 2 goals in 20-plus games)...He didn't look too bad in the playoffs under Torts..but even then, he wasn't looking like the player he is now...it wasn't until AV demoted him that the light bulb finally went on...Again, don't get me wrong...yes, they're two different players...but I think they've had similar adjustment issues...though I think in Kreider's case, it was more attitude...with Miller, I think there's a dearth of confidence when it comes to the NHL.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:24 pm EST

There is no room on the cup contender team to allow a struggling bubble player endless games to figure it out. Until MIller can actually show something on a shift by shift, period by period and game by game basis, he'll continue to be cut. I've seen him numerous times as a Ranger now, over the past 3 years, and save for a PO game last year, all he's done is underwhelm me. Obviously, Ranger management feels the same and that's why he's in the AHL. Again. In his defense, the Rangers have, IMO, mishandled him, clearly promoting him too early.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:22 pm EST

Actually RF, the (recent) track record with kids is outstanding.Need I run down the list? It's about 75% of the team. Not speaking just about, you but why must there always be hysterics with the kids? Forget it, please, I can take hearing about Mike Ridley even one more time LOL...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:11 pm EST

DuClaw will get plenty of practice time with the club.. After tonight, the next game is Saturday Night with Les' Frogs in Montreal... We need to win tonight... LGR

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:10 pm EST

The longer Duclair stays and sporadically plays the stupider the Rangers are, which, they already have a sordid track record on. For crying out loud, just send him back already.

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 4:00 pm EST

V says not timetable as of yet for Stepan to begin skating; here are his full remarks on Duclair. " “This is obviously, every player is different, each case is different and in Anthony’s case, if we send him back to junior we can’t bring him up. We don’t have that leeway of sending him to Hartford and then bringing him back up. In Anthony’s case, my experience, because I have coached in junior and the AHL and NHL, I have a pretty good grasp on our time frame with him and he isn’t playing tonight, but he will practice and we will see the next game.” He is better here for the moment, “yes.”

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 3:55 pm EST

TD you can't compare CK and JT when CK had the puck he scored or made things happen his play away from the puck was horrible. Miller on the other hand has done nothing offensively and his play away from the puck has been worse. While miller has excelled at the ahl level he has hardly looked like he belonged at the NHL level. He had a chance handed to him and lost it. This team is not moving Hayes to wing if he's doing well at center to move miller up. Miller may just have to become a winger if he wants to play on this team. He also would have to beat out duclair and haggerty for spots on wing as well. Hayes doing well at center changes the landscape for miller and his worth and him getting top min in Hartford means zip because fact is he's a top level ahl player so why not give him top line min? Derek Armstrong was a top line ahler but a fourth line nhler

York18


Tue Oct 21 2014 3:26 pm EST

R47: I'm not so sure that Miller needs more minutes in the AHL than fewer minutes with the Big Boys. He seems to be a "tweener," because he's a little "Gagoots" upsatirs. :-) (like that one JFC/Hospo) .... For now, JT is sized out, there's no room for him, especially with Mueller up... In the event there is a vacancy for him to fill, I'd play him 4th line center with Glass & Moore, allow Moore to take the faceoffs, but allow Miller the responsibility at center. Miller would also be there if Moore gets waived from the circle.. 1) this would be a nasty line to face 2) I believe Dom Moore would be an excellent mentor for JT at this stage in his young career... This just may be the training wheels that work for the kid... I'd certainly try it in practice........

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 2:42 pm EST

Duclair says nothing to br ashamed of. Hes learning & praticing & watching tape. Sounds fine. AV said he has a good grasp of how much time they have from having coached junior, AHL, NHL and see what happens next game.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:57 pm EST

Obviously we are all hopeful that Hayes proves to be that #1 center we want. That said, with Step and Brass centering the 2a and 2b lines, there's no room for Miller at C unless you want to use him as your 4C (which we all agree is a waste since he needs top 9 ice time). Does a MIller success at C forebode a trade of Step or Brass down the road?

Ranger47


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:47 pm EST

mf -- lol...of course they would say that...they are thinking only about themselves and their league. Jrs. is like the Mafia, AFAIAC....they have "protection" via the rulkes that govern the future of their players based not on their skill level and what would be best for them, but rather on an arbitrary age limit and what would be best for their LEAGUE....so their opinion doesn't mean jack.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:40 pm EST

The thing with Duclair is he's already downloaded more high-end hockey info in the last month than he ever has in his life. He needs time to process & integrate it in his game. And im sure he'll be playing somewhere soon and they'll figure out where's best, but at this level the needs of the team come first.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:37 pm EST

On Duclaw, let me play "Ranger's Advocate" (don't want to advocate anything Devil's, especially today) ..... The CJC believes that DuClaw would benefit greatly dominating in Junior's, experiencing the playoff's on that level, and any tournaments afforded him.. Then if we need to call him up in a pinch for the NHL playoff's, he's primed..

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:25 pm EST

Wild -- agree....AV said from Day 1 that Duclair was not going to play every game, so they were already formulating what they foresaw as his growth curve. Now, if he sits for 4 or 5 games, then I can't see that being good for him. But, I believe that the Rangers do not think the Jrs. are going to be good for his development and would like to find a way to keep him up here with enough games/minutes to help him continue to improve. If they can't make it work, then they'll have no choice but to send him back. But, IMO he is NOT going to improve being in Jrs....he won't get worse, but he won't get better and why would an NHL team want that if they felt that they had an option that would SPEED UP his development rather than stagnate it? As for Miller, I have seen him several times in Hartford and he can basically assert his will quite easily against that level of competition. !0 -12 minutes per game at the NHL level would be a hell of alot better for him thatn playing in the AHL, IMO. If HAyes continues his improvement at the center position, he fulfills a need that was illustrated when we lost to LA in the finals....it gives us a BIG center who can control and protect the puck vs. larger center opponents. He actually reminds me a bit of Tornton in terms of body type...lanky, but at 225 that's still alot of weight that can stand up against other big centers. The Rangers will keep him at C if he proves to be a consistent asset at that position.

JFC31


Tue Oct 21 2014 1:21 pm EST

And for those of you who follow the Yutes coming up the Pyke, once again, IMO, this is the kid to go after. 16 year old, LHS DEFENSEMAN 6'2"-3", 225lbs (depending on the size of lunch) SEAN DAY.... He's eligible for the 2016 draft... Foget McDavid & Eichel, we have Duclaw & Haggerty... This kid could be the next cornerstone of the franchise & "may" see ice time with the likes of Staal (if resigned) McD, Krieder, Hayes, MZA etc..... We have enough time, prospects & picks to accumulate extra picks for 2016..... http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/10/01/ohler_sean_days_sophomore_year_could_be_exceptional.html

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 12:46 pm EST

Edmonton is sucking bilge water for a change with 27 GA's after just 6 games.. Guess their forwards don't like the defensive side of the game.. In any event, they have 2 RHS defencemen which may appeal to the Rangers: MARK FAYNE 6'3" 210LBS 27Y/O.....JEFF PETRY 6'3" 200LBS 26Y/O.....I believe that Edmonton has 4 RHS Dmen, & 2 LHS Dmen in their top 6...... Anyone care to offer a comment on these two? thanks

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 12:28 pm EST

td: short term actually you can learn from watching, seeing the games live, seeing the video sessions after the game and getting on thrice for practice. Granted if it doesn't end soon it will loose its benefit. I always fear that a kid who can play at the NHL level will get a lot of bad habits if he gets sent back to junior. I am willing to see if he gets into the lineup again over the next game or two. He will get a good couple practice days in after tonight, and those will be good for him regardless.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 21 2014 12:22 pm EST

DUCLAIR projected to be a scratch...again...Time to get this kid back to juniors. This is exactly what I was worried about happening...like MILLER, he needs huge minutes. Sitting in the stands doesn't help his development.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:38 am EST

td: see I agree that the Rangers see Miller as a guy who will be in their top 9, and as a center. They see that NOW. Like I have said however, he has limited time to show something to prove it. Lindberg has 3 points in 3 games this season for the pack and is good away from the puck and in the D zone. If he shows he is a 3rd line center for the NHL then Miller will need to push him aside and/or one of Step, Brass and Hayes...that's not even bringing the next group of young centers in NCAA and junior who if all goes well for them will be pressing, so Miller doesn't just need to get the job from other current pros, he needs to keep it from the next set of pros. IMHO he has this year, camp next year won't be too late, but much harder. I think the Rangers will go into camp knowing they have 4-5 centers and they will not care if one of them is Miller or not. If he is not one of them it's going to take some (bad)luck of injuries for him to get a shot.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:17 am EST

Zip saying he's in. I hope his ankle doesn't snap a la Stepan

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 11:01 am EST

Alain Vigneault called Girardi a game time decision and said that it would take a lot to keep him out of the lineup. (NYR)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:45 am EST

Well, Hayes doesn't have Puliot's speed; tiny sampling but so far not much evidence Hayes possesses that little edge Ben had, that he can make himself an immovable object in front, or that he possesses a wicked wrister like Puliot. Not to say Hayes couldn't work there; for certain players RW-LW isn't a major problem. Here's how I see things stacking up once Step returns - and making the HUGE assumption off one game Hayes continues doing what he's doing and stays with Nash & Kreider. I dont see a place for JT Miller, but the lines look good, with one BIG/little exception. I just cannot see St Louis surviving & thriving too long with Brass & Zuc. And short of rotating in Malone, which AV hasnt shown he cares for yet, IDK what they do. Kreider-Hayes-Nash, Zuc-Brass-St Louis, Hagelin-Stepan-Malone, Glass-Moore-Stempniak. Who knows? One injury and the whole lineup gets out of whack anyway. Maybe thats where JT comes in.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:38 am EST

Garrioch posted Sunday that Carolina prefers to re-sign Sekera, but besides that I don't see why the Rangers would pick him up. Were down two righties, and I don't see us as unhappy with Moore's play. I think he's been a very good third pair D, and I could see him in a top-four role someday, even if not here.

Messier11


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:34 am EST

RR - never said anyone was going to be 'moved to accommodate' MILLER...but if you're looking for a guy on the team that has POULIOT'S attributes, it's Kevin HAYES. Simple logic.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:26 am EST

OK, I know we are in the beginning of a new season with all the excitement and promise that it holds. I know last season is history. And I apologize for dragging this poor dead horse in for another beating (well actually Nash brought him in). And I don't want (and won't) kill they guy because he did yeoman's work during the playoffs and we don't get to where we got without him. And he was obviously come off an injury that rattled him. BUT, in his own words: “In a sense it was confusing because I thought that I was on top of my game in every aspect except scoring, but scoring is something that the team relies on me for and that I expect from myself, so …“One goal. You never know how one goal could have affected the series,” Nash said, addressing the issue for the first time.......Limbo to self: OK, enough. Enough now. You (and Nash) had your say. Now turn the page. Nash is trying to, you should to.

limbo


Tue Oct 21 2014 10:22 am EST

stevielegs - You don't put a guy at fourth-line center unless that's where you see him playing...Fourth line in AV's system gets around 10 minutes of ice...and that's not enough for a kid like MILLER if they're expecting him to eventually be in the top nine...not to keep going back to the KREIDER situation...but he was sent down for the same reason...his game wasn't connecting and the options were to keep him as a bottom line winger(and mind you, that was when Tortorella was giving fourth line six minutes a night) or send him back to Hartford. Everyone here took it as 'Tortorella hates Kreider' and if you read some of the beats, they'll say that was the farthest from the case. As I always say, time will vindicate my position on Miller. He's with the organization because they see a future for him in their top nine.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:30 am EST

td I think jitters should have volunteered for the 4th center, instead of Mueller getting that job. it still leads me to believe there is a problem with veenyo on him, and him with himself. he could have turned up his sandpaper game, and possibly got that line to score with Malone on his wing. stepan gets back, his odds are worse at coming back, unless he really lights it up in Hartford .......

stevielegs


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:15 am EST

TD, The notion the Rangers would move Hayes to LW, where he hasn't played (he played RW & C at BC, because Kreider was at LW) to accomodate JT Miller sounds like a fantasy team, LOL. I think the front office is licking their chops right now at what they might have in Hayes, having signed this kid as a UFA, 24, 6-5, etc. He turns in a few more games like Sunday I think it'll be full-blown Hayes mania. Nor can they afford to remove Malone or Glass' physicality from the lineup on behalf of JT. You keep talking about all the sandpaper in this kid's game. If he does get the call again (unlikely for some time imo), he'd better get the shuttle driver to stop at Lowe's on the way in haha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:01 am EST

TD: I don't see that scenario with STEPAN's return at all. In fact, if the current first line with HAYES at center is putting up a goal or two every game I have to believe that AV will leave it alone. Especially with STEPAN coming back and having to find his conditioning and timing. I think it more likely that STEPAN is put with MSL and either HAGS/STEMPNIAK or MALONE on the wing. I don't see MILLER coming back up unless he is coming back on the wing. At this point HAYES is outplaying MILLER at Center and not by a close margin.

Vic


Tue Oct 21 2014 9:00 am EST

td: Agreed. I could never imagine being in that situation, and if I was, I would most likely lose my job (well, at least if found guilty) The only people who are "safe" from that kind of fall out have some kind of collectively bargained agreement. Like sports, or the big one is law enforcement, they have treatment programs for stuff like that (barring being found guilty and sentenced) since departments know that the job stress can lead to crap like that. This case seems much more cut and dry than the Varlymov case, that front he get go seemed fishy, and turned out to be just that, in this case there was hospitalization, and there is nothing coming from his side to make it sound like he is saying it isn't what it seems.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:55 am EST

SEKERA: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4791

mf


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:25 am EST

On VOYNOV - I simply don't have sympathy for anyone who can get themselves in a situation where there's compelling evidence that they beat their significant other to the point of hospitalization...I know if I did that, I wouldn't be suspended from my job...I'd be fired...Cops and municipal/unionized workers would probably get away with a suspension...but what the NHL did was right. Sucks for the Kings. Sucks for me, because he was on my fantasy team...but overall, the right move.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:08 am EST

Rf4L - SEKERA is a good player, but I simply don't see how or why the Rangers would go after him. First of all, I'm pretty sure he's either on the IR or just coming off of it...and second, he's a lefty. I guess if they've finally had enough of MOORE...maybe...but I don't think Moore has done anything yet to really warrant him getting the boot...HUNWICK has also played a solid, if not unspectacular game as a seventh grinder...and on a related note, Conner ALLEN has been the Pack's top blueliner bar-none. The guy is flying out there...being used in all situations...I would only hope they would give him a sniff before looking outside the organization...Sekera is a solid player...probably a 35-40 point blueliner on some teams...but he wouldn't crack the Rangers' top four.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 8:02 am EST

stevielegs - sarcasm aside, my guess is that it's because AV doesn't believe MILLER is ready for third line center detail, which, in the grand scheme of the season, is where he ultimately belongs...and moving him to fourth-line center is giving him an assignment where he won't get the minutes the coach feels are necessary to develop him. Way I see the tea leaves is that when STEPAN comes back in a week or two, the HAYES-at-center experiment will end and, if Hayes is doing well, he'll slide onto the left with BRASSARD and ZUCC...Step line returns...you have a third line of HAGELIN-MILLER-ST. LOUIS...gives AV three lines that are very dangerous if Miller can pull his weight in between those two...Fourth line with MOORE and STEMPNIAK, with MALONE and GLASS swapping out depending on who's playing better...again, say what you will about the AV-Miller relationship...but if it were as sour as some like to make it out to be around here, he wouldn't be with the organization.

tdchi


Tue Oct 21 2014 7:31 am EST

Hearing that the Rangers are interested in Carolina Hurricanes defenseman Andrej Sekera...pending UFA...

RF4L


Tue Oct 21 2014 5:38 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/20/nash-putting-goal-less-cup-flashbacks-behind-him/

stevielegs


Mon Oct 20 2014 11:03 pm EST

Sean Avery for league disciplinarian

Messier11


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:48 pm EST

Cally out for the rest of the game tonight against the Oil with a "Lower Body Injury" Love the guy but the way he plays coupled with his frame, this is likely going to be more of the norm than not. While I think he has some good hockey in him I am glad we didn't pony up the cash. Man does EDM need help on D! Taylor Hall is all over the place (what a player) and that kid Yakupov looks like he could really use a change of scenery...

PatrickDiv


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:47 pm EST

MF: Yea, I heard about the suspension first thing this morning. What remains to be seen is how the NHL will handle it. Are they terrified of being crucified like the NFL was over the RAY RICE incident? Are they going to come down on VOYNOV hard or are they going to slap him with a 5 game suspension? I don't know what the CBA allows for but my guess is that the NHL is going to try to come down as hard as possible. At least a year suspension and maybe a lifetime suspension if they can get away with it. Usually players can petition to be reinstated after a certain length of time. My guess is that VOYNOV would be KHL bound immediately if the NHL hits him with a lifetime ban. Should be interesting. I'm sure BETTMAN was dropping a few F-Bombs when the news broke. Not exactly the kind of attention the NHL needs......

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:26 pm EST

No Kostka please....Would it hurt to give Mac a game or two here early in the season....Could he really be worse than this turnover machine....Give me a break.....Devils playing well on top of it and will be up for this one as usual....

PJ


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:25 pm EST

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/slava-voynov-suspended-by-nhl-after-domestic-violence-arrest-1.2805838

mf


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:03 pm EST

Ok.....I had to laugh when I saw this tweet from AVERY:....."Do u think if u beat up your GF u should get suspended more than 6 games......6 games and Anger Management for making a rude comment @NHL".........I can't wait to see what the NHL does with VOYNOV. Should be interesting...

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 6:53 pm EST

Been watching a couple of Pack games on HockeyStreams.com(pay service) Dylan McIlrath is playing a very simple game and laying some big hits and missing on a few too. Until he is about 90% on those big hits he needs to stay on the farm. IMO

DCIGolfer


Mon Oct 20 2014 5:43 pm EST

E, I've more so been responding to TD repeatedly declaring from the highest mountain what a success Miller is going to be, when the evidence to me seems quite clear and to the contrary. 32 auditions and he hasn't gotten the gig. Not sure what else you want me to say. The kid in his NHL stints hasn't impressed me (not that he needs to) or the coaching staff of the New York Rangers (them he does need to impress.)

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 5:18 pm EST

RR: You wrote a dissertation about all the problems you have with JT but you don't have a problem with him. I'm vexed. You don't compare him to other players you compare him to himself. He's a prospect. He's a young hockey player. That's all... He will bounce back and forth till he bumps someone and takes a roster spot and holds it. That's hockey. Nothing about his track is unusual, he isn't a bust as some have eluded to. He's a kid who is learning the pro game. Maybe he turns into something and maybe not. I'll say this, in my humble opinion he'll play many more games in the NHL than McIlrath will. Just a view from my suspect scouting expertise.

E


Mon Oct 20 2014 4:39 pm EST

Tried twice but not sure I followed that E. I dont have a problem with Miller except talking about him do much when hes not on the team.McD could be playing rt side tmrw, Malone & Glass, Hayes, Nash, Mueller (who played pretty darn well) , many more absorbing topics imo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 4:08 pm EST

No one has been harder on Miller then me. This kid is not a bust and trading him would be stupid. He's 21 and here is the thing some guys at 21 naturally have high hockey IQ others have to work on it miller has his work cut out for him he's not a natural. He needs a lot of work away from te puck. The Ahl affords him the chance to mess up and recover because his talent level is above most there the problem is he gets to the NHL level and his talent level no longer affords him that because everyone is that talented. I always aaid he would be a third liner who when hot could move up to second line he has all the physical tools now what's between the ears needs to catch up

York18


Mon Oct 20 2014 4:01 pm EST

Let's not forget that Stepan soon returns and all C will shift down one. Mueller would sit. Better a vet sits than a kid

Messier11


Mon Oct 20 2014 3:54 pm EST

there's something to veenyo sending jitters down, and bringing up Mueller for the 4th , while moving d moore to 3rd. why didn't he put jitters on the 4th line center spot?....guess it's a honing away he will go......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 20 2014 3:49 pm EST

RR: who cares who is in front of him? Is that the litmus test now? You're suggesting that he's behind developmentally then those guys and so what? Some of your argument points to star players. How do you hold him up to that level and use that as part of the crux of your argument? Should I also ask how many of those elite characters played in a Stanley Cup Final? No... Because it doesn't mean doodie. This is what 2-way contracts are for. Miller comes in during the Finals and played great. Came into camp and looked very good. Started to slip pushing him down the chart and gonna sit. Instead of sitting a young player go to Hartford where you get big minutes to work on your game. Where is any of this an issue?

E


Mon Oct 20 2014 3:09 pm EST

Here, change the subject. AV; "-On Hayes knowing what to do in his own end, “he does. For a young player like that, very responsible. The size factor helps him, he has a long reach on both sides, and a good stick. One thing that we keep telling our guys is stick on puck, stick on puck and he does a good job with that and it helps us defensively.”

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 2:32 pm EST

Let JT "Hone" away.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 2:31 pm EST

Difference is those guys are in the NHL, TD. But whatever. I was really looking forward to discussing the benefits of face-washing and right crosses after seeing Glass & Malone yesterday. Let JT away. Right now I could care less.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 2:26 pm EST

RR - You kind of highlighted my point with that list...and while guys like LENDESKOG, RNH and HUBERDEAU have already carved out nice niches for themselves...the rest of those guys aren't exactly lighting up the NHL...in fact, most of them are doing what 21-year-old kids do, which is slowly learn the game until having a breakout season...STROME is a great example...man...had the Islanders done what they normally do with prospects, he'd already be on another team...This is his first real season as an NHLer...and bring up LARSSON...the Devils now are facing a similar outburst from fans saying he's a bust and that the organization has soured on him...21-years-old...lots of time. Come back when he's 23 and still making the rounds in Hartford and I'll have no probably agreeing with you...but at this age, the only thing MILLER needs to do is keep honing his game. He's always been a project...just like all the other Ranger first rounders since STAAL.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 1:50 pm EST

21 and waiting to blossom turns to 24 and euro leagues real quick, E, especially with a stacked roster in front of you. JT turns 22 in March. But lots of the guys around him in his draft class are in their 2nd/3rd seasons already. 1. Edmonton-Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, C, Red Deer Rebels 2. Colorado-Gabriel Landeskog, LW, Kitchener Rangers 3. Florida-Jonathan Huberdeau, C, Saint John Sea Dogs 4. New Jersey-Adam Larsson, D, Skelleftea (Sweden) 5. NY Islanders-Ryan Strome, C, Niagra IceDogs 6. Ottawa-Mika Zibanejad, C, Djurgarden (Sweden) 7. Winnipeg-Mark Scheifele, C, Barrie Colts 8. Philadelphia (from CBJ)-Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville Voltigeurs 9. Boston (from TOR)-Dougie Hamilton, D, Niagara IceDogs 10. Minnesota-Jonas Brodin, D, Farjestad (Sweden) 11. Colorado (from STL)-Duncan Siemens, D, Saskatoon Blades 12. Carolina-Ryan Murphy, D, Kitchener Rangers 13. Calgary-Sven Baertschi, LW, Portland Winterhawks 14. Dallas-Jamieson Oleksiak, D, Northeastern University 15. NY Rangers-J.T. Miller, C, USNTDP

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 1:41 pm EST

JT Miller: 21 years old. (Scratches head)

E


Mon Oct 20 2014 1:04 pm EST

Well the other thing Wild, and nobody ever gets around to this, but Miller hasnt shown dick offensively, either. He has what?, 5 goals in 60 NHL games. Not the end of the world. Messier had 3 or something his first hear and is now 2nd all time. But I see a lot of low percentage attempts by JT, and really nothing standing out. Add that to an insufficient D game and youve got an AHL player, albeit an all-star at that level. IDK, and more so I'm at the point with him I don't care. He's aggravating me now, and TD with his blind ambitions for the kid makes it worse lol. But I think its AVs who's frustrated with him. He doesn't get why JT doesn't get it. Again, for my part he's not on the team and would prefer to concentrate elsewhere. But JT now has an even bigger obstacle, IF he ever figures it out. And that's everyone in front of him - at wing and at center- is now playing very well and it'll be even tougher to break thru. So if I'm a betting man I have to think his future isn't here.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:49 pm EST

Also on Miller, No one is asking him to be the most physical player on the team, or to be the best defensive forward in the NHL, or the Rangers, or hell, even his line! He just needs to NOT be a train wreck without the puck. He can't be the reason the puck stays in the zone shift in and shift out, he needs to be stable away from the puck and give proper puck support and get his butt back defensively and hep out, at least make it difficult on his man, sometimes when Miller is covering a guy its like the man is all alone and Miller is just lost on what to do. From reports he DOESNT do that in the AHL so it is 1) Mental, and he just needs to find a way to break through, maybe a sports psychologist or 2) he isn't capable, no matter how long he tries, he will never be capable at the NHL level.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:42 pm EST

I font think JR's light is wired properly TD, but as Ive said, these kids can surprise you big time. Hayes is a case in point. Looked pedestrian first few looks, his shoulder might have played a part too. Now he looks like a kid every NHL club put a bid in on. And Ive seen JT do some impressive things, up close, live. But what bugs the hell out of me was he didnt even try to be physical, the thing we need most from him (after some reliable D). Got to find ways to contribute when other parts of your game arent there. And being bottled up like that to where you cant perform is a major part too. IDK if he makes it or not, but its not dpeculative to say NYR didnt see what they needed. Ghey sent him down, for the tenth snd maybe final time.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:39 pm EST

i thought jt jitters came ready this season, and was a lock?....he had his serious face on and came early, and matured....someday, somewhere......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:38 pm EST

td: Hayes might be that guy. No one talked about him hitting, and he has done that more than a lot of other players. He is not out of place defensively, and offensively he is just fine, this is all early on of course. If Miller can't get his head screwed on right when he doesn't have the puck there is no way he could be a number 2 center, or a number 3 for that matter. Again, with the other younger (or maybe not younger but still in NCAA/AHL/Junior) who look to be 3rd/4th line type centers Miller needs to figure it out quick. He could be passed over on the depth chart by 1 or 2 centers in short order (meaning next seasons camp/early season) Like it or not he is starting to run short on time. Still has time to make a change and secure a spot higher on the depth chart, but so far I have not gotten the feeling he is doing that. He really fell flat the few games he played.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:30 pm EST

Wildcard - The day you can bank on the Rangers moving MILLER is the day they bring a player into the system with his skill set...they simply don't have that at this point..he's a unique player who, if firing on all cylinders, will be in the Rangers top-9...and I personally believe their top 6. Again...for the cheap seats...the kid is 21(!!)...Lot's of time to develop...You guys want to see the genesis of a bust? Go look at the Bobby SANGUINETTI story...kid drafted as a slick puck-moving defenseman...comes into the AHL...does well enough his first year to earn a callup his second year...plays five games as a Ranger...goes back to Hartford and is out of the organization the following spring...PERFECT example...team thought they had something in the kid...they watched him in the AHL...they watched him in the NHL...saw him as expendable and he was gone...no the Rangers' handling of Miller...though I don't think it was ideal in the beginning...I think is fine right now..waiting for the light to go on JUST like they did with KREIDER. It's gonna happen...just a matter of when.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:28 pm EST

Best played game of the year. I really liked what I saw with Hayes playing with K and Nash. There seemed to be great chemistry (especially for their first game together). Better than with Steoan on that line last year. I could easily see them staying together for the season and be our best line. When Stepan gets back he may end up on the 2b line - perhaps with MSL and Hagelin, since they appeared to play together quite well as a unit last year. That would leave a wing spot open on the Brass-Zucc line. Calling Haggerty? Malone looked pretty good there as well, but he's not the replacement for Pouliloit IMHO. With Moore probably back down as 4C, I do not understand why they keep pressing Miller to be a C. Perhaps he could fill the Poulliot role as W? Interesting days ahead. Hope they crush the Devils for once!

Ranger47


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:17 pm EST

RR - "crashed and burned spectacularly"?!? Can't trust anything AV says?!? C'mon dude. Seriously. I've said it before and I'll say it again...first 10 games...extended camp for AV...Miller had a missed opportunity. He'll be back soon enough. Just watch. Your narrative is wholly unsupported by anything other than your own speculation.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:14 pm EST

I think a lot of this Miller talk may be partly my fault. I said I was looking at him as a guy who may need to be moved. That was party based on the fact that the Rangers are looking at trying to win the cup this year, and or the next 2-3 years. Of course some seem to turn that into dumping him...I just though he could be used along with another piece or two to get a top 2 bigger center if one came available. And that I think that Miller looks like he has just not gotten better away from the puck. But anyway. I still say that, at the NHL level he is just not getting it, and he doesn't look all that much better after all this work for like 2 seasons, and 2 coaching staffs telling him the same things seemingly. If they can't get him to turn that corner at least some very soon they need to move him. Its either the system, the style of coaching or the pressure of being a Ranger, but if he continues on like this his value will plummet...

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:07 pm EST

TD, yourw outta control with this JT stuff. Its 6 games into the season, they neednt give Miller away if they dont believe he'll pan out. IF he's a chip theyll wait for the right deal. So thats proof of nothing, that he's still part of the org. Nor is anything AV says important. He's not going to publicly devalue a no. 1 pick if theyre looking to move him. Bottom line is Gorton very pointedly did say on record this was a major chance for him, and he crashed & burned rather spectacularly considering not one but two wide open spots before him. Sorry but the org.has to feel let down, and if nature takes its course here as usually happens with these things, he'll be an ex-Ranger.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 12:03 pm EST

JFC31 - MILLER needs to play the game with confidence. He wasn't doing that during the first three for whatever reason...Is it a vote of confidence sending him to Hartford? No. Not at all...but it's certainly not the death knell some here make it out to be...Bottom line is the place where HAYES is now vanishes in five games...everything changes when STEPAN comes back...And like with DUCLAIR, unless Hayes makes a really overwhelming argument to keep him between those two high-flying wingers, he's gonna be the guy to shift down to third or even forth line...possibly the bench...This is his shot...MILLER got his, he didn't do anything with it...AV's onto the next candidate...but the end of the Step injury, he'll have a good idea where the rest of the lineup is going to fall into place...but I'd be astounded if it has Hayes as the top-line center...incidentally...There were several points last night where Dom MOORE was centering the Nash line...Hayes finished with something like 13 minutes.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 11:55 am EST

RR - Not sure how you make that assumption given what has happened with MILLER so far this year...but in this case, I don't even think there's perfunctory evidence that AV or the organization have soured or no longer "trust" him...I don't think he'd even be in the system if that were the case...at 21, there are enough teams that would take a risk on Miller that he'd be gone by now if what you said is true...He certainly wouldn't be pulling top-line minutes in Hartford with a kid like LINDBERG down there too...fact is, Miller has something the Rangers want. That's why he's been with the organization for pieces of three seasons now...that's why despite his shaky play at times, he's still here...He's the only guy in the system that's gotten call ups three consecutive years...and they wouldn't keep sending him down if they didn't think he had much of a future a head of him...they certainly wouldn't keep calling him up...you don't see guys like McILRATH, BOURQUE, KRISTO, HRIVIK or even LINDBURG getting those kinds of calls...AV even said it: Miller would play the weekend and they'd work from there. Certainly how well HAYES plays will make a difference.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 11:51 am EST

AV talking about how Miller just needs to go down to Hartford and work on being a center because that's where the Rangers have a need, yet he has Hayes IN THE NHL playing the same position. Tell me how this is a vote of confidence for JT Miller? The more experience Hayes gets at center, the more comfortable he gets, the better he gets....and JT Miller playing center in Hartford is good for JT MIller in terms of eventually making it back to the NY Rangers? How?

JFC31


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:53 am EST

KOSTKA in? Really? I sure hope TALBOT is in net because I think HANK might kill him otherwise. I guess one way to look at it would be to say that he couldn't play worse, could he? I know I was having flashbacks of OZO when I watching him turn the puck over in the game against the Islanders.

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:51 am EST

Mess: Zip said (at least on twitter) IF Giradi can't go, Kostak will likely play. Not that GIradi is out, well, today he is out, but its just practice.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:49 am EST

Zipay: Girardi out, Kostka in

Messier11


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:39 am EST

...my call up candidate this year is Haggarty (sp). I think that kid is gonna' be good. Really good to see a good 60 minute effort from the team even if the Sharks had 3 games in 4 nights. Especially after watching the Giants....ugh!

MelvilleFred


Mon Oct 20 2014 10:04 am EST

Klein on ice, Girardi not. Probably cant get his boot on. AV said Klein probably lost his goatee. What a stupid thing, taking a puck with one second left. Rangers were lucky. Losibg both at once woulda been bad news.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 9:29 am EST

If you made a list of all the guys who seriously had a shot to make this team after the first few rounds of perfunctory cuts, I think AV trusts JT Miller out there the LEAST. He also has other guys now like Hayes and Malone & even Mueller who was fine yesterday, winning his trust. And I think that means its some time before Miller even gets a sniff again. As stated, rightly so. Kid's had every opportunity. And when you don't seize ANY of them - especially one where the team develops a crying need due to a buyout & an injury - you wind up in a lesser league. Just the way it is. It's difficult not get excited with what we're saying from Hayes, but as Step said, it is only one game. I've liked what I've seen for a few games, but Vladimir Vorobiev had a few good games too, and anyone know WTH he is? But the thing to remember with Hayes is, we're only trying to replace Brad Richards. We don't need a world-beater, just a contributor. Even regular season totals don't mean much, we're as much of a playoff lock as anyone. Can this kid hold down a job and produce in the playoffs? Off of yesterday's game, there's little reason to think he couldn't. Still, VERY long way for that kid to go to be considered entrenched. I mention him again only cause I see Thornton's name, and just for some perspective, we were FINE in the middle in the POs, even with Stephan & Brassard banged up. Richards was the weakest of weak links. So a competent center will do. And Hayes shows signs of being more than competent, but still, patience is in order and we dont need King Kong. Thorton yesterday? I must've seen him make 10-12-15 nifty passes, I lost track after a while. The guy can distribute like Magic Johnson. Problem I keep saying with him is that's ALL he looks to do. Talk about a pass first mentality. I don't see any ambition to beat defenders 1-on-1, 2 harmless shots, little physicality, and I know we destroyed SJ on faceoffs without seeing JT's numbers, so I know they couldn't have been great. Far as Im concerned, we've gotta fluid situation in the middle. The better Hayes (or someone else) plays, the less we need to go outside.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:49 am EST

td: Agree on miller. If he is not a Center in the NHL he is not a Ranger. Not that he would be a "Bad" wing, but there are other players in the system that play wing. I mean, you have Duclair of course, Buchnevich (who looks like a MAN in the KHL from what I have seen) and Tambellini on the left side, than Kristo, Fast, Haggerty, and Nejezchleb (course he is years away) on the right side, and of course there are others who are in the hunt for 3rd or 4th line roles if things go really well. Then you have other Centers (some who already have moved to wing at the AHL level) Bourque, Iverson, Fogarty, Nieves that COULD end up on wing, and of course Hayes and Lindberg but I suspect they will never see the wing unless they just turn into a can't play without player and they have other centers just clearly out play them. Basically, Miller needs to get going at CENTER at the NHL level, and he needs to really get himself into a 2nd or 3rd line role (well 1st if he could ever get there of course but I don't see that) Most likely a 3rd line role, but with Lindberg, and Neives, perhaps Fogarty are all up and coming, and they have "3rd line" written all over them. if 2 of the 3 become NHL calibre, and one of those 2 "fails" and only plays the 4th line, that STILL means Miller would have to outplay, at BOTH ends of the ice, the other. Then he would still have Stepan, Brassard and Hayes to deal with for nice time. So Miller needs to get his 2-way game top notch, needs to make it impossible for the Rangers to not play him, and force them to trade or let walk one or two of the top 3 centers as of today (Step, Brass, Hayes) or 1 or 2 of the young up and coming guys, AND unless he is only the 4th line center, to bump one of those top 3 currently to the 4th line. Tough tough tough battle for him to win.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:36 am EST

also...is it just me or do BOTH Hayes and Duclair have crazy long legs? It looks like they are all legs when they skate around out there

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:35 am EST

SO, I didn't get to watch the game live or listen to it due to a class I had to take, and I have watched a little more than one period so far today. I can say this about Hayes, something you don't see as much as you should. When the puck is on his stick, his head is up and he is looking around. He can still go full speed and stick handle while his head is up, far too many players need to look down more often, and that allows D to close quick and catch them off guard a little, and it allows for passing lanes to open and close with the player never seeing. hayes has the ability to keep heads up, and it seems to allow him to fact quicker and see more (well duh right lol) and that has allowed him to look better and better. When he has the puck he is not moving slow, nor is anyone else, but he really seems like HE and HE alone has more time to do things. I am sure he will have ups and downs as a rookie, but I could easily see him being a top 2 center on this team long term.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:22 am EST

Ola - IMO, that was a good description of THORNTON three years ago. Now? I don't think I'd go that far...He's a guy that CAN takeover games...the tendency of that happening, however, is getting less and less. If the Sharks were giving him away, sure....I'd take a flyer...not for what they'd want for that punk though...why? 'Cause more often than not, the Joe Thornton who shows up is the same one we didn't see last night...namely the listless cruiser eating up top-line minutes.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:18 am EST

Vic - Just my speculation of course, but I pretty sure the MILLER demotion is a short-term...to sort of get his confidence back to the level where he's playing like he showed he could in pre-season...someone from the Rangers(I think AV) said their design is to have him play center during the Pack's weekend tilts...and then see where things are at next week...With the win over the Sharks, MUELLER will stay in...no doubt in my mind...so the earliest I think we'll see forward line changes would be in Montreal...said yesterday that the organization's design for Miller appears to be in the middle...and that's where they have him playing big minutes in Hartford...if there's a center promoted to either take over for Mueller or less likely, take the spot of HAYES...I could almost guarantee Mills will get the first call...Lindberg, I believe, will be kept in Hartford for the year, barring a crazy rash of injuries.

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:17 am EST

I'd like to see more of this guy: http://nypost.com/2014/10/17/why-hockey-fans-cant-get-enough-of-the-maple-leafs/

Rexi29


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:16 am EST

Malone was better than I expected last night. If he can play at that level he should keep playing. Arguments for why he shouldn't play: there is a risk that he don't contribute enough in relation to how much his linemates have to cover for him because he is so slow and don't really get in on the forecheck, don't really backcheck and don't really play around the boards either. What he contributes with would be net precense. When we signed him, I was hoping that he would come here trying to rescue his career and litterary play wtih a vengance on the ice. Become more of a older Gary Roberts type who always was pissed on the ice and recklessly threw his body around creating havoc. BUT, he has done the opposite. He has a smile on his face all the time and he just seem to want to play responsibly on the ice. In camp I didn't think that was enough, but last night at least he was able to still be a postiive factor on the ice.

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:13 am EST

Glass has been a positive suprise so far!

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:12 am EST

tdchi- When Joe Thornton is on his game he is as good as anyone else out there -- almost. If you wanna get Crosby or Malkin its going to cost you [fill in the blanks]. I can't speak for everyone else, but if we are forced to pay a bounty for Joey T I wouldn't even consider it. ALSO, we don't have capspace to take him on. It was one thing to discuss it before we got Dan Boyle, now we can't fit him in. HOWEVER, looking past the cap problems, JT just signed a new deal in SJ this spring and before the inc was dry SJ started to talk about rebuilding and they stripped him of the C. IF -- and I only mean IF -- he could be had cheap in a scenario where SJ wants to dump him and he only is willing to waive for NY, for example, he would of course help.

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:07 am EST

On Duclair, I think he has been fine. Its important to remember that we more or less has played like crap in most of the games he has played in. Its not easy for a kid to play in that environment. It would feel a bit so-so if we dropped him in the near future. The kid can do a few things on the ice not many others on this team, nor in this league, can do to be honest. He moves really really well. When he gets the puck skating against a D, he is litterary very hard to get a grip on. He forces most Ds to cut their losses and back down which opens up for him to fire the puck, and he does that real well too. He is nifty when he has the puck too. I am not saying that he is a lock to keep for the rest of the year, but I wanna see him get a few more chances....

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:06 am EST

Wow, I was expecting to log on here and read all about that AWESOME game Joe Thornton had just dominating the Rangers. Man, does he ever look like a find. How he just sort of disappeared into the game and managed to keep his stats on a nice even keel...almost all zeros...zero goals...zero points...zero hits...won two faceoffs and gave away the puck once...THAT is the center we need on this team...just a guy who can shift into that cruise gear and make everyone around him look mediocre...guy who can pull in a multi-million retirement contract and we can watch diminish rapidly...maybe we should start a petition for him...really the model this franchise needs...#sarcasm

tdchi


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:04 am EST

Vic- I agree on Miller. To early to pass judgement, I hope at least.

Ola


Mon Oct 20 2014 8:01 am EST

One other comment for this morning. I wasn't able to post my comments on the MILLER debate at the time but I just don't understand the consternation over him and why some are so quick to want to dump him. The kid has all the tools. He is just 21 years old. It takes some people longer to figure things out. No way in hell to I dump MILLER. He still has the potential to be an impact NHL player. If he isn't ready now who cares? What is the rush? Why does he have to show you that he is a stud right now? In my book he still has 3 or 4 years before I would BEGIN to think of him as a bust. I have no doubt he will eventually get it and when he does he could be a tremendous asset for this team. Hopefully the Rangers have the same patience with him. There is no need to panic and move him.

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 7:57 am EST

Strong game last night. Yes, they took advantage of a tired team but that is what you are supposed to do. They wouldn't have been able to do that a week or so ago. While I still don't like the SMURF LINE I did think the team just looked better with four Centers playing in position. MSL looked much better playing on the wind where he belonged. MUELLER was fine. I think the Rangers really wanted him for his ability on the PP and they only had one opportunity last night. I think he stays with the Rangers until they can figure out if he can help there or not. if he can help he will stay until STEPAN gets back. If not I would expect LINDBERG to get an opportunity with the team. McDONAGH is starting to look like McDONAGH again. I said during preseason that I'm fine with HUNWICK on the 3rd pair. He had a good game last night and that game may be completely different if he doesn't make the play on the goal line. Nice to see three guys who really needed to score get on the scoresheet in HAGS, MSL and HAYES. I thought HAYES played his best game yet and put 3 very solid periods together. He controlled the puck and made plays. He was solid defensively and stole the puck from the Sharks on several occasions. He also played a physical game and used his big body more then he has done to date. All very nice things to see. He is seizing the opportunity right now. As I said last week you can see that this kid has the potential to be this team's #1 Center in the not too distant future. STEPAN is a good player and a solid 2nd line Center in my book. He just can't do the things that HAYES can do. He could never control the puck and dominate possession like HAYES can. HAYES has a long way to go to get to that point but you can see that all of the tools are there and most importantly he has the poise with the puck that few players possess. Finally, NASH looks like a completely different player this year. He looks like the NASH I thought we were getting when he came here. He is back to cutting to the middle of the ice. He is back to looking strong on his skates. He is back to having that look like he is thinking more about scoring then being hit. When he plays this way he is an impact player. He is also playing better defensively then I have ever seen before. I hope he is able to keep healthy and continue playing at this level. PIERRE was just on the Sirius NHL channel and he commented that he thought NASH looks like he has his equilibrium back. He things NASH was still recovering from the concussion issues last year because he had so much trouble staying on his feet. This year he looks so much stronger on his skates. There may be something to that but I think the issue was more what we identified. He was playing with a overall fear of getting hurt again.

Vic


Mon Oct 20 2014 5:34 am EST

http://www.therichest.com/sports/hockey-sports/top-10-most-lopsided-trade-deadline-deals-in-nhl-history/4/

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:48 pm EST

Oh and Glass brings plenty....Sticking up for a teammate after a cheapshot....Need more of this....

PJ


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:27 pm EST

Real good game today.....Rangers stayed with it for 60 minutes....Oh yes the Sharks were tired but the Rangers played a real strong game....Hope Girardi is ok....McD looked like himself today....Hayes may be an answer in the middle....Hunwick isn't bad....Growing on me....

PJ


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:57 pm EST

Really nailed that one, Stepunmytoe. It is one game, singular. But its also 2-3 now where we're seeing what Hayes has in his bag of tricks, and so far it's quite a lot, a nice mix of everything. Those heads up little defensive plays, the conscientious ones, where you help a teammate out of a tough spot dont show up in boxscores, just win columns. It was huge to see that from him imo, and he didnt look out of place at all with basically two all-star caliber players.Nash btw couldve had a hat trick in this game so easy, maybe a total half inch on two shots was the difference.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:11 pm EST

Don't like how many shots Glass doesn't seem to mind taking in a fight.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:08 pm EST

Glass with another six hits tonight, but Hayes right behind him with five. Staal and Girardi blocked four shots apiece. Hunwick and Kostka will have to log some serious time next game

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 8:32 pm EST

Oh and Malone cannot sit again ! Love what he brings to the team. Anyone see him face washing Kreids after the game ? LOl. He fits.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 19 2014 8:29 pm EST

"A good player plays where the puck is. A great player plays where the puck is going to be" My favorite Gretzky quote. I'm not saying Hayes is a great player or is going to be, but I watched him closely and this quote describes him well. He really sees the play develope well with great anticipation. The puck finds him often because of this. I have noticed this in the defensive zone also. He made some very nice plays in front of Hank and also getting it out of the zone. Fingers crossed on this kid. He had a good game.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 19 2014 8:04 pm EST

Ha. Zuc says Hank wears a suit at home. Thought I saw a few different wrinkles in Hayes' game. Would be interested to see what wallsters thought.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:55 pm EST

Probably clashes too much with the suit

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:16 pm EST

Girardi's blocked shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhaBG_8WKt8

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:14 pm EST

Hank gave hunwick his broadway hat for saving a goal in the 1st

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:13 pm EST

Hank with his 51st shutout

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:08 pm EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay 1m1 minute ago AV says Girardi is day to day. Received stitches from blocked shot.

DOUBLEN


Sun Oct 19 2014 7:00 pm EST

I think you just give hank a hunting knife and tell him and kostka that he can stab kostka in the heart whenever kostka's play makes him feel like it

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:55 pm EST

did they send kostka down, or he's still here feeling like a heel?

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:54 pm EST

How about this stat..41-21 Faceoff Wins. Brassard and Moore were a combined 28-6

DOUBLEN


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:54 pm EST

Allen is a lefty , big mac a righty.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:47 pm EST

If Girardi is out, we are screwed. Nothing in the system to step into that slot, no way to juggle pairings to compensate. I'd move Moore up to first pair, put Hunwick with Staal, and call up Allen to play with Klein. Let's hope it doesn't come to that

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:45 pm EST

Stemkowsi crediting Malone & Glass with ferocious forecheck at end of 1st & disallowed goal with jumpstarting Rangers. Id have to agree.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:41 pm EST

That's one shift I'm sure Klein wishes he'd missed

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:40 pm EST

Kudos to the KING also tonite for a royal performance. Well done boys. Now bring up the big boy and all will be well.

pa.rangersfan


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:40 pm EST

That was some game! We beat an undefeated Sharks team.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:36 pm EST

I'll bet Hertl wishes he'd saved some of those goals for this season

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:29 pm EST

DOES MCILRATH get called up?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:26 pm EST

Girardi's out the rest of the game. Took a puck off the ankle or the Achilles

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:25 pm EST

Now we're short 2 right defensemen. No Kostka please!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:16 pm EST

Hayes really looking good....better and better each game. Who knows, maybe he's the "lightning in a bottle" at center I posted about earlier

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:14 pm EST

Purple Haaaazzzzzeeeee

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:14 pm EST

KEVIN HAYES!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:06 pm EST

Does MSL look relieved to not be playing center?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:57 pm EST

In 24 games last season as backup to Niemi, Stalock had a .932 and 1.87.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:47 pm EST

Nash is on pace for a 95.666 goal season..... If we can get Hank the shut-out, our GAA drops from 4 to 3.33, pretty substantial....

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:47 pm EST

Nice to see us work hard and get rewarded. We're taking advantage of a tired team and a dumb goalie....but we're earning everything we're getting.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:46 pm EST

That was pretty what Nash did there. The goalie never saw it coming.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:45 pm EST

I post as he lets in the flub

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:45 pm EST

slump top :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:45 pm EST

Stalock is a pretty good kid too. Had great backup numbers last season

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:44 pm EST

R U kidding me???? NASH's slum is over :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:44 pm EST

Nice to see MSL hug a line mate and not have his head in the other guy's chest! That line has looked good all game.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:43 pm EST

Few season-firsts come so hard-fought

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:41 pm EST

MSL!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:41 pm EST

He still needs to improve on his faceoffs. 56% is better, but it still needs to improve.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:40 pm EST

I'm seeing the poise in Hayes that I've craved to see in Miller.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:29 pm EST

Nice Hagelin

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:27 pm EST

Don't think veenyo would want Thornton's speed..

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 5:16 pm EST

Are we playing to win or not to lose, another scoreless first period prolly another low scoring game !!

ilya


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:58 pm EST

Klein would be a candidate to go the other way. almost 3 mill salary. hasn't been able to stick above the third pair, unlikely to add that element to his game this far in to his career.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:56 pm EST

I wonder if there were any chance to be in the Spezza bidding. He didn't go for all that much. Stastny seemed intent on St. Louis

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:32 pm EST

CAP Room: Stepan is on LTIR so we can subtract $3,075,000 from those figures. Once Stepan comes back, at least 1 player must go just to afford Stepan....

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:23 pm EST

AV better have this team pushing the pace today. Roll 4 and short shift em. Run the Sharks into the ground ! They're on long road trip and finished a game hours ago. Will be very disappointed if we lose this one ! Enough excuses. Most interested in Kreids game today. He needs to get to potting some. LGR !

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:07 pm EST

It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when" a big trade is going to happen....at least one. Unless We catch alighting in a bottle and somehow our center problems get fixed, we're gonna have to trade for one....I think there's a good chance we'll be watching him in today's game. 20 games max before a trade goes down...

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:59 pm EST

Send Kostka & Hunwick down & you have another$1250000 = $5,413,797....almost there.. And as far as affording a defenseman, if Klein is going the opposite direction, there's possibilities..jmhonaturally

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:52 pm EST

E.Staal: 31-32 y/o, $8.25mill 2yrs..J.Thornton 35 y/o, $6.75mill 3yrs.... I believe we have approx $2.79mill in cap space today.. Ship DuClaw to Jr's, Mueller to The Pack, gives you $4,163,797 in Cap Room.

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:52 pm EST

Mess: I think the problem is not just who the player is, but the cost against the cap - both in terms of this year (and the potential need to add a NHL-caliber D at the trading deadline) but also who it impacts signing our core RFAs/UFAs for next season. Not sure that either Thorton or Staal would be the wisest choice.

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 3:11 pm EST

As recently as 2011-2012, Staal was up there in the top-10 C list pretty consistently.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:59 pm EST

For all the criticism of Thornton, (and I share in some) only ten centers scored at least 70 points last season. He had 76.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:56 pm EST

R47: that would be Lindberg, Lombardi's gone. Agree on the center. Maybe Hayes becomes a key component..Long season......

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:42 pm EST

Mess: You are so right! :) I meant to say Lindberg...

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:36 pm EST

Lombardi is gone.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 2:11 pm EST

Aside from the problems we are having at C prior to the return of Stepan, there's no way you can go deep into the playoffs without considering what happens if one or more of our Cs go down with injury. We REALLY need to be sure that we have a bit more depth there at some point this season. Hopefully Hayes gives us one more solid center and then either Mueller or Miller or Lombardi show that they can fill in if needed. Still, IMHO trading for a top 1C would be a priority if I were Sather. Prefer it NOT be Jumbo (and especially don't want to see Buch go in the trade).

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 1:23 pm EST

We already have two great and good 2C and one of the best 4C in the league. Either we aim to underachieve and get/play depth 3C or aim to excel and get true 1C

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 1:12 pm EST

Didn't mean to imply that we go looking for a quintessential 1st line center...

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 1:04 pm EST

you're not going to 'discover' a 1C who has been masquerading as a 32-year-old 20 point scorer. You have to draft one, sign one, or trade for one.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:56 pm EST

JT Miller is no replacement for Glass, who as noted leads team in hits with minimal ice. JT is not the answer to anything right now, except most shuttled Ranger. I must note the little bugger did it again though. Everytime he's sent packing he scores his first game. Must be 5-6 times now. Its incanny. That said, I cant even take thinking about that kid anymore right now. Talk about not grabbing the brass ring. Sheesh.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:44 pm EST

Well, for the time being, Nash is finding the back of the net.....

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:42 pm EST

We can't afford a $6,$7,$8 million dollar 1st line center... I believe we can win the whole Enchilada if we "discover" a center & bolster the defense. Dom Moore & or Brian Boyle playing 3rd line center last year didn't get it done.......An upgrade over Kevin Klein, and an extensive 24/7 NY Ranger clinic for John Moore until he get's his reads down right "MOORE" (ha ha) of the time... My Rosy Ranger Glasses have me believing he's worth the investment & he will come around.... As for Tanner Glass, I could see JT Miller replacing him & saving us $500K "IF" we needed to find half a mill in Cap...... Back to center; in the inpatient interim, Hayes is the current experiment, I hope this kid succeeds, then we can have GAUSTAD playing 4th line center. :-) Yes, at $3.25mill

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:37 pm EST

No. We out-hit LA. They out-offensed us by a lot more. Toughness doesn't get pucks by Quick, and we had no match to Gaborik/Kopitar

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:24 pm EST

Reflecting back to the SCF against LA, Gaustad would have certainly helped the spine of this team. No?

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:20 pm EST

And before I forget, somebody knock Hertl on his #$%! ass today! That's right, I almost cursed. On a Sunday no less. I'm pumped. Let's get it on.....

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:11 pm EST

Hospo, it's funny. They asked Sather about the advanced metrics, because the team has hired a guy and AV is a proponent. All Sather said was it helps the coaches cause I don't think he gives two shits and is old school. You can tell the real players by watching them, put together the puzzle and get them playing for each other. That's chemistry and thats what we have here. Took forever but no point going there. Pretty sure we've won more playoff games than anybody in the east last 3 years, just got to take the final step.TD should be along any minute to blare how Joe Thornton is not that step LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:08 pm EST

Gaustad's best NHL numbers barely substantiates a third-line role here. Need a true 1C that pushes Stepan and Brass down to natural production roles. 3C is perfect slot to audition kids like Miller, Hayes, Lindberg, like it was for Anisimov. Not an over-30 plodder who might never again crack 20 points.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 12:00 pm EST

RABID - The type of player I have wanted for years...GAUSTAD ain't gonna happen though.....But, IMWO, the Rangers will have to aquire somebody with those physical characteristis by the deadline.......RF73/JFC - The CORSI and FENWICK crap definetly have it's purposes for player evaluation but I remains to be seen, like with MONEYBALL and SABERMETRICS (WAR, BABIP, xOBP, etc..) in baseball, how many front offices (not the nerdy fans) will embrace it and begin to rley on it.....You Know, like the Oakland A's who haven't won a WS in ages when the SF Giants are one of the least saber-inclined orgs in baseball...Chemistr, character, ,roles and the locker room mean so much in every sport when talent is spread out everywhere

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:57 am EST

BTW MF, Gaudstad is 6-5 and quite nasty. He's only broken 30 pts twice but I'd sacrifice some offense to be tougher to play against with strength up the middle. Still, doubtful it happens, or Hanzel happens, though you never know what the future will bring. I think like it or not we end up with the guy who'll be at the Garden today. All around might be the best buy for the price, which I dont think will be anything we can't live with. Then again, wtf do I know? Buchnevich with another beauty, BTW.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:52 am EST

More than boyle and stralman combined, in fact

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:46 am EST

I'll tell you why Glass stays in. He is the team's hits leader, with about 150% of what the next most provides. He accomplished this despite being fifteenth in TOI.

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:45 am EST

MF, Gaudstad is a guy Rangers were interested in when he was in Buffalo, but he signed a big deal that didn't make sense while we still had Brian Boyle. Might make sense now but don't think Nashville moves him. They're a very under the radar team.Had I think 94 pts without Renne a big chunk of the year.Trotz out, Laviolette in, think they look to add this year and make a run. That said who knows, we've got the pieces to trade for just about anybody.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:38 am EST

Or a turnover and breakaway

Messier11


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:37 am EST

Good morning: On the heels of the HANZAL post, I went trolling through some rosters looking for a center and defensemen... Figured Nashville to be at the bottom of the barrel when lo & behold they're sitting in 5th place in the entire league.... Was figuring they may regret trading Kevin Klein for MDZ... In any event, the radar focused on PAUL GASTAUD as a center for the the third line behind a healthy Stepan & Brassard is very intriguing.. 6'3" 235lbs, way above avg on faceoff's, signed this year & next for $3.25 mill..(The Hockey News: Has a massive frame and an ""aggressive nature."" Is solid at both ends of the ice and a notable complementary forward. Can play both center and wing. He's brilliant in the dot.) ... One thing is, Stepan is NOT healthy, and we can not bank on the outcome of his recovery.. If Stepan does in fact make a full recovery, Gastaud knocks Hayes out of center, unless Hayes displaces someone else. It's not the worst thing in the world, it seems like itr would be more of the same "good dilemma" due to the current depth of the franchise....... Occupying a familiar seat in the cellar, are the Edmonton Oilers.. Can anyone here chime in with their evaluation of Edmonton's Defensemen, MARK FAYNE, JEFF PETRY? Fayne seems built like Marc Staal and Petry is also 6'3" on paper those two look like a potential awesome partners for MarK Staal......

mf


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:24 am EST

I hope they show veenyo that line because the speed of the puck is faster than skatin. Even a 5 foot pass size to side can create those better odds of scoring.... Rocket science for dummies...play the Vegas way....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:23 am EST

Yankees teams in '77 & '78 won the World Series and by all accounts, the locker room was full of cliques, and guys who flat out disliked each other. No NHL hockey team would ever win a championship with that kind of team dynamic. That's because baseball is a bunch of individuals playing on the same field. "Team work" is basically a technical function (double plays, hitting the cutoff man, pitcher covering fist base on a ball hit to the right side, etc). Therefore, individual stats mean a lot. Hockey is a true team sportbwhete players are dependent on each other. That's why stats don't work as well.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:04 am EST

Mueller has some nice PP credentials. Mueller-Glass-Malone is another interesting look by AV. two big dudes snd Mueller is stocky and strong on his skates. That makes 3 of 4 lines today I kinda like the look of. But St Louis with Brass & Zuc is a Herb Brooks smurf lind I just cant get my head around.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 11:02 am EST

Oops...Ranger47, not 73....jeez, I am getting old!

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:56 am EST

RF73 -- it would seem that Corsi stats might be better applied to the top 6-9 forwards. Even the 3rd line would be harder pressed to measure up because they often play with the 3rd defensive pairing. I think there's a place for these stats, but the article you posted really illustrates the folly of drawing broad conclusions based on the stats. The stats should be just PART of the equation.... objective measures are not always as accurate as subjective measures in hockey so the stats need to be put in perspective

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:50 am EST

Hospo -- old school....guilty as charged! I find a lot of the new stats interesting but there's just so much more that goes into playing hockey. One very interesting analysis which I saw last week in the Rangers post-game show was really something that might actually change the way the game is coached and played. They have found that if you draw an imaginary line from the center ice dot to the goal, that imaginary line seems to be a key in how successful scoring chances are. They have found that if the puck crosses that line in the offensive zone (from right to,left or visa versa) subsequent shots on goal have a 1 in 3 chance of going in. When the puck simply stays on one side without crossing that line, the odds are 1 in 34 (?). And it makes sense because any time you get the goalie moving side-to-side, the holes open up tremendously. This might change the way players approach the game....they might be more willing to,try and thread a pass to a closely checked guy heading to the net on the other side of the imaginary line rather than shoot because the odds of shooting and scoring are so low. Then again, a shot that results in a rebound might have the same effect as the puck being passes across that imaginary line. But, I really can foresee a stat like this really changing the game and the approach in the offensive zone. Puck movement is going to be paramount. Perhaps, this is why a guy like Zucc seems to try to make "fancy" passes at the expense of,shooting. Who knows? But I dol think it's an important evaluation that will change the game.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:20 am EST

The dweebification of the game continues...gimme an effin break with these knobs behind their keyboards who never picked up a stick in their lives. Glass has been fine. Hes been banging people, what we signed him for. And hes been doing it with a cranky back. Hey, isnt Jumbos' audition today? Garrioch says its expected we'll be in the market for a center at some point. In the meantime, pretty sure today we ice the biggest line in NYR history, Kreider-Hayes-Nash. Interested to see what they do.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:14 am EST

JFC: You raise an interesting question. Is Corsi and other stats a better metric for a class of players (i.e. those expected to score goals. those who are given more time in the O zone with top D behind them) than others who are role players on top lines or who are paired with bottom D and expected to contribute in other ways than scoring? Obviously, their effectiveness in enabling other players and providing chemisty (or protection) to the rest of the team can't be minimized.

Ranger47


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:11 am EST

JFC - Must be us old guys hanging on to tradition! :)

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:04 am EST

TDCHI - Obviously, MILLER can do it in the AHL but not in the NHL..Hockey is loaded with these tyoe of players...BUt, Rangers need that to continue so they can keep his trade value high for their upcoming deal for a real center

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:01 am EST

RF73 -- seems to me that a lot of these metrics which are all the rage in the NHL right now don't even come close to accurately measuring a player's worth to his team....especially when these stats gurus go backwards into a players's career before such evaluations even existed. I guarantee that there are a lot of players who's careers are very well regarded suddenly are going to be besmirched by going back and applying these metrics....the stats geeks will conclude....jeez, this guy really wasn't that good....and they'd be dead wrong. I wonder what kind of Corsi rating a guy like Marty McSorley or Dave Semenko has? Does it really matter? Anyone who knows hockey will tell you that those guys were extremely important to the Oilers dynasty. Hockey is a sport of intangibles....how do you measure locker room presence? how a guy makes his team mates feel secure on the ice? how a guy goofing around on the goalie keeps a team loose and everyone grounded? How certain types of players are needed in a locker room to create that "All for one" attitude that is so important in this sport? I think trying to evaluate a guy like Tanner Glass to a guy like Jesper Fast ( who basically says very little and is a non-descript personality) using Corsi stats is really not productive. Higher end guys, maybe a bit more....but, still....this ain't baseball....much more going on than meets the eye or the stats.

JFC31


Sun Oct 19 2014 10:00 am EST

This douche again? How can you contribute LESS than JT MILLER and JASPER FAST? There is obviously a role for advanced stats in hockey as it is in baseball, but until these bozos realize that heart, chemistry, team make up, the locker room and roles mean something, they are not worth listening to..Yes, Glass hasn't been much of anything yet this year,,,nor as 75% of the team,,,,But he should be an important part of the the team chemistry, make-up,, etc..as the season goes along.....If not him, a player like him is needed..not a JYT MILLER or a JASPER FAST...All I know is that according to every baseball sabermetician, the SF Ginats should have never been in the POs anytime in the past 5 years let alon be in the position to win their THIRD..Be Objective and combine advanced stats with common sense, and maybe you have something...Not this hogwash

Hospo


Sun Oct 19 2014 9:33 am EST

Rangers continue to keep Tanner Glass on roster, for some reason...Ben Valentine, Sporting News...Let me start by saying this: I don’t know Tanner Glass as a person. He might be the nicest guy on the planet. Maybe he’s Mother Teresa, Gandhi and Santa Claus rolled into one. Unfortunately, the first two people were not known for their work along the boards and the third’s slap shot is confined to an Arctic fantasy team. Likewise, Tanner Glass’ hockey game does not appear to be NHL quality. But on Friday the Rangers shipped two other players, Jesper Fast and J.T. Miller, to the AHL while Glass, a player who contributes far less, remained on the team. Glass ranks at the bottom, with Dominic Moore and Carl Hagelin, on the Rangers in Corsi +/- , which measures the shots on goal, missed shots and blocked shots that occur while a player is on the ice. Glass is minus-10. A plus is when the Rangers generate one of those opportunities and a minus is when the opposition does. Switch to Fenwick, which is a similar measure but without blocked shots, and Glass is at the very bottom. These are just fancy ways of saying the Rangers have given up far more shooting opportunities when Glass is on the ice than off it, which is a bad thing. Yes, he's physical. But that alone isn't enough. A bruiser and a fighter can still generate good puck-possession numbers. Just look at Patrick Maroon of the Ducks, who had the highest relative Corsi rating on the team last season. While the sample size is small, the lack of productivity isn't new for Glass. This has been the case his whole career. And given that Glass contributes very little in the traditional ways like goals and assists, it boggles the mind that he’s still getting ice time, though he did sit out the third period of Thursday's shootout victory over the Hurricanes. So why does Glass seem to have a guaranteed roster spot in the NHL, unlike Miller and Fast? Looks as though it's about money. Glass’s contract is NHL-caliber; he's in the first year of a three-year deal that carries a cap hit of $1.45 million. Maybe Miller and Fast aren't the answer, but at least they generated more positive results while they were on the ice and they have more upside. And with the Rangers (2-3-0) struggling at the start of their season, icing a veteran whose numbers have never been good seems to be far more counterproductive than hoping youth develops. Again, it’s nothing personal with Glass. He could be a pretty nice guy. And he’s certainly far better at hockey than I’ll ever be. But that doesn’t mean he'll help the Rangers win games, now or in the future. That should be a requirement of a player on game night.

RF73


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:41 am EST

From Page Six: Which team last year filed a complaint with the NHL, alleging circumvention committed by the Rangers when Martin Biron retired instead of accepting a demotion to the AHL and soon after took a job with MSG-TV?........http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/marty-should-retire-on-own-terms/..

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 6:31 am EST

tdchi the question is why? jt jitters can play in the ahl but has a hard time in the nhl?......the speed of the nhl game is what he needs to get accomplished both mentally and physically. kid k wasn't trying in the ahl, jitters wasn't in the nhl, or is just not ready and may never be with the nyr. he's putting himself with the help of veenyo to become a trading chip to get an nhl experienced center......

stevielegs


Sun Oct 19 2014 4:11 am EST

Watched the Hartford game against Portland(Arizona's farm team) and while the score makes it seem like it was a close, the Pack really dominated them for long stretches of the game...Pack look as good if not better than I've ever seen the team. There were times when they just kept Portland pinned in their own zone for minutes at a time. And that was 5-on-5...MILLER had a good game as I expected he would...played on a line with FAST and Chris BOURQUE that got the bulk of the minutes...His goal, which turned out to be the GWG, was pretty nice..worked the puck along the boards, chipped it past the defender and went 2-on-0 with Fast and just powered it past the Portland goalie topshelf waterbottle...LINDBERG was centering a line of HAGGERTY and Ryan BOURQUE...was thinking he was having a pretty quiet game until the third when he threaded Haggerty with a sweet pass...McILRATH was paired with ALLEN, which was the first pairing...BODIE with NOREAU...defense looked solid all around...DESJARDINS is the best thing to happen to the Pack since Talbot was promoted. Guy is solid...From my limited observations, I can say if this organization has soured on Miller or isn't thinking he's in their future, they've got a real funny way of showing it...He played huge minutes in the game. Top PP unit...took most of the crucial face offs...And like I said, he responded well...had a real solid game...Miller has the ability to work the boards very well. If he can stop someone along the boards, he's gonna come up with the puck. And that's something I think they want to see when he's playing in the NHL...but haven't really seen yet.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:58 pm EST

http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1013504

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:33 pm EST

Miller GWG for Htfd.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:08 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/rangers-coach-vigneault-still-waiting-for-miller-time/

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 7:59 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/18/rangers-continue-to-scuffle-at-center/

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 6:52 pm EST

Bathgate: good post. I agree, though I haven't seen a large sample McI, what I have seen is that his his skating is good enough to get by. He has other intangibles that this team lacks. There are plenty of defensemen who's skating is not exactly their strong suit. That's why a lot of them are defensemen. I sense a Torts like stubbornness from AV regarding him. Our back end sorely needs a physical presence that he possesses. I am praying he gets a look see but feel we won't see it happen.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 18 2014 5:43 pm EST

on not bringing up Mcilrath it is stupid on AV and the Rangers part, I believe that at this point he is a much better option and player than either Hunwick or Kostka I understand for the mobility and speed on the Defense, but I do not believe that either Hunwick or Kostka are N.H.L. caliber and will not significantly get better, and for what I have seen John Moore while quick and a better skill set does not really do much, remember the Bruins in 2011 and now are not overly blessed with speed on the backline and they won a cup and went to the finals with that group, also I understand sending Miller down rather than not dressing and Duclair while good probably needs to go back to junior, having D. Moore anything more than a fourth line center does not bode well, I would probably have let Miller play here and grow into the position no patience by AV here and Miller not going to learn more at the A.H.L. level, and I cannot see a trade until all hands are back as Emile Francis used to say on trades the best ones are made when the team is going good as opposed when you are not doing well.

Bathgate9


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:57 pm EST

MF, very true. AV had a lot of whittling to do. Still not so sure that wasn't a bit of a mind game with Malone, but he did have to give the kids their shot and it became very tight. At least he did it quick.3-4 games and JT & Fast were outta here.TD, again, you're on the JT bus full speed ahead, and that's fine. But seems clear to me a decision on Duclair gets made right about the time Step will be set to return. If any thing they'll be looking for a wing at that point, if Duclair is Q bound. And if so, sounds like Haggerty is next in line and rightly so. Give somebody else a look already, this isn't the JT Miller show(I'm talkin bout them, not you).Arguably a guy like Hrivic didn't fare much worse than JT in camp yet is forgotten. And if another center ever gets a frickin shot here, it sure as hell better be Lindberg's turn!! I'd bet anything he'd put up a better line than that -4 listless audition we saw from Miller.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:45 pm EST

This is pretty funny.For one, thought it was obvious Miller was more effective at wing. Said it all summer, even thought when they said Kristo was going to play center (which was apparently a short-lived idea) it was with the intention of replacing JT on the depth chart. Except the Rangers not only needed a center coming into the year, they may now want to market Miller as a center. We cant italicize text here, but if I could that word 'market' would stand out. Like if for instance you were trading for a center and your trade partner needed one in return to replace the guy they were giving up. Anyway, I can't blame the NYR, they drafts JT as a center and he had AHL success as one. But at this point,mJT Miller has garnered far more attention than his performance has justified, and I'd just as soon move on. Funny part is Hayes said he was more comfortable at wing, but here he is in the middle looking pretty damn good. Very interested to see how he looks tomorrow with Nash & Kreider.Talk about getting a turn with two premier wingers. Nash is NHL tally king right now and for Kreider (who Hayes is very familiar with) it's been a stealth like start but lookout. He is going to pop a few home soon and not a stop.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:24 pm EST

HOSPO: I did post: .. If & when he's recalled, I try him on LW with Brassard / MZA. At least in practice, give it a whirl.....

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:08 pm EST

E that may true, but what seems to also be true is the nyr play braver when a guy like clowe or big mac are playing with them to back them up. ....sort of like whiskey muscles.....speed speed speed the blue smurfs had, you need some size and physical grit....the blacknblueshirts only make cameos instead of always showing up for 60 minutes every game.....intangibles......

stevielegs


Sat Oct 18 2014 2:03 pm EST

TDCHI/MF - "Org said today they want MILLER in the middle...one of the beat reporters did say he's more comfortable on the wing..." Let's see, player says he's more comfortable on wing and basically fails every time he's put at C in the NHL.......I don't know, to me, those are two pretty big clues that the organization is being wrong and stubborn....There are alot of players, and I think JT MILLER is one, where the type of game they play in the AHL is totally diffetent then what they can play in the NHL becasue of the huge jump in talent, speed and responsibilities...Play him at wing..

Hospo


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:51 pm EST

I was cruising on by and one thing that I don't understand is, why the thought that in some way McIlrath is a savior. His footwork isn't there, his decision making is putting it mildly suspect. He just isn't an NHL player at this stage. He could be a goon but is that what you really want him for? The concept that McIlrath will in some way keep the head shots down on players like MZA or MSL is odd to me. For starters, MZA is a physical little asshole who gets his nose in everything. Of course someone is going to try to destroy him. That's the game. And people have been trying to stop MSL his whole career and he has shown himself to be pretty sturdy. I hate the concept of size for sizes sake. You need hockey players not fights. The NYR are built on a wicked transition game with defenseman very skilled at outlet passes that spread the neutral zone and enable the team to carry the puck into the zone with speed. As I see it there isn't much in the NYR pipeline right now that has identified serious NHL ability other than Skjei and Allen. I put McIlrath beneath both. I don't see him as part of the solution if at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up cut bait at some point. The only way to survive is team-wide toughness. You punish the other team with finished checks, take away time and space, push the pace, and draw the penalties. Fights? Who cares? Is that gonna get you wins the way things are going in the league. What I want is speed, speed, and speed. And a heavy team that controls the boards. Other than that? McIlrath can apply his toughness all over the NHL until he radically ups his game and becomes an NHL defenseman. I'm pulling for him, but right now? I see him getting the occasional cup of coffee. Yeh him. Get me Allen. Big guy, good skating, good stick, high IQ, developing. He's gonna be an NHL defenseman. And soon enough St. Skjei will be here to save the day (when he becomes a pro eventually.) peace out y'all.

E


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:43 pm EST

RR - success and talent are two entirely different things...MALONE has had success...POULIOT has a lot of talent...the latter has been an enigma since he was drafted...and while I wouldn't say Malone was a surprise, he certainly far exceeded any career expectations the Pens had when he was drafted.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:41 pm EST

mf - Org said today they want MILLER in the middle...one of the beat reporters did say he's more comfortable on the wing...I haven't seen much evidence of that...and every time I've seen him with the Pack he's in the middle.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:40 pm EST

stepunmytoe - It's there, trust me. It all depends on his comfort level...I see it in the AHL a lot...less so in the NHL...Actually, he played a very aggressive game during his cameo in the playoffs...that's really what I'm referring to...He's not a soft player and if he's playing a soft game, that's another reason why he's in the AHL right now.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:21 pm EST

No argument that Stralman got better defensively and can be a top four on a number of teams. But his offense never improved to that point for us, especially given the makeup of our other top-three. We had almost no O from D last season and that was evident from our PP problems, inability to match with LA. Boyle should solve that. Stralman wouldn't have been able to. Only other option was to keep him and move Klein but we'd pay so much more in tht instance

Messier11


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:05 pm EST

Miller may be substantially more comfortable playing aggressive on the wing as opposed to center..... If & when he's recalled, I try him on LW with Brassard / MZA. At least in practice, give it a whirl.....

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 1:03 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/you-go-down-and-be-best-player?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1413654697

puckyou


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:55 pm EST

TD; I am a fan of Millers and am pulling for the kid. However, the "sandpaper" in his game you mention has been non existent. I think that's what has disappointed me most in his performance this year. I can understand he may have been struggling in other areas, but jeez how bout playing a rougher brand of hockey to compensate for the slow start.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:53 pm EST

Cant get into all that now TD, but at least lets tone it doen eith the fabled superskills of Puliot vs Malone.one of the two has SIX 20 goal seasons and it aint Benny, who's never had one.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:53 pm EST

MZA / BRASSARD / NASH ... with ... (MCD - Girardi) & or ) STAAL & -KLEIN/HUNWICK

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:36 pm EST

I don't like MSL & MZA on the same line. Nearly every check thrown by the opposition will have potential to be reviewable as a headshot. I'd definitely want McI available to put out on D w/that line.

LeoS


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:36 pm EST

Count me as one that does really like HAYES centering KREIDER and NASH...I would have thrown MSL on the right, but the one thing Hayes really likes doing is controlling the puck, using his body to create space and then carrying it around the net...get two guys who have good shots buzzing with him and that could equal some goals.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:34 pm EST

TDCHI - Totally disagee. Last year is done. out of sight out of mnd. I only care about the team they came to camp with..They lost Stepan to injury..ONE PLAYER (forwards)..it should not be causing so much chaos, hesitation, and constant 24 hour reversals, as is happening with...Basically, the entire camp was a waste as it appears it gave AV no insight oif who to play.....Now he's just trying everything all over again....Poor job in my books....The team has talent and can fight their way through if if the players are put in the right spots..something AV shiuld have already learned.. ,

Hospo


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:27 pm EST

Good Morning.... Yakapov: the 1st Ranger that comes to mind is Hagelin, both the same size LHS, except The Yak probably has much higher scoring potential & is 5 years younger..... MSL is on pace to have 65.6 assists this year..... Line Bingo for 1000 Alex: Coach Aveeno Oatmeal needs to get something cast in stone.. If it can't be an entire line, let's settle for some pairs...... The CJC recommends establishing a 4th line & building up & out.. 4th line: GLASS / MOORE / HAGELIN ...... Another line, number it as it pleases you: MALONE / BRASSARD / MZA...... STEMPNIAK / MUELLER / MSL ....... KREIDER / HAYES / NASH ............ Of those 4 lines: I'd keep the 4th line set as stated: variations: (KREIDER or STEMPNIAK) / BRASSARD / MZA ........ MSL / HAYES / NASH (at lease try it in practice for G-ds sake) MALONE / MUELLER / STEMPNIAK........... If we need to break up MSL/HAYES/NASH....... We could try: MALONE / MUELLER / MSL....... STEMPNIAK / HAYES / NASH............... As far as beating up on AV, he did have to sort through a lot of personnel to whittle it down to where it is now.. I think the most obvious second guessing against the guy was benching Malone for the 1st 3 games... As for a trade, this next one has to be carefully thought out.. I'd rather experiment with MUELLER for the next several matches than screw up a trade..... jmho naturally..

mf


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:23 pm EST

RR - Totally disagree. I know it's easy to point to what AV said last year and how Miller is getting shuffled a lot...but the fact of the matter is Miller is a unique player in this system. The Rangers don't have someone else with his size and skill set who plays a sandpaper game like he does...they simply don't...I know fans are frustrated --hell, I'm frustrated --that he can't seem to pull it all together...but the lightbulb will go on for this kid and watch out when it does...And I stand by my comparison to KREIDER...very similar situations...same ages...same long-term 'project' players...both USNTDP products...both with gold medals from the WJC....I don't want to get back into our arguments over Kreider...but the truth is, the player you say can bring people out of their seats was leaving butts in them for a full season before he turned it around. I remember watching Kreider during his final season at BC and then seeing him in Hartford and then NY. It was like night and day...like someone had blown out the candle...and I also remember people crying about how Tortorella "hated" Kreider because he wouldn't move him from third line to one of the top lines or give him big minutes...even though the kid looked awful in every regular season game he played that year...but lo and behold, the patience paid off...The Rangers have no need to move Miller right now...in fact, they have no need to move anyone...and now the talk is that Miller will play the weekend in Hartford and could be primed for a recall afterward...I would watch what happens with DUCLAIR very closely, because once he's on a bus back to Quebec, I bet we'll see Miller back in the lineup. Not a matter of if...matter of when.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:22 pm EST

td -- the loss of Step is a given and a definite problem....but on D, he has the same setup basically as he had last year minus Stralman, who for much of the year was bottom 6, so I dont give AV as much slack. We didn't have a PP quarterback last year and played well. The team just is not playing well right now and that shouldn't be happening considering the vast majority of the players KNOW his system and are comfortable with it.....they are just not executing and jumbled lines are contributing to the mess.

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:09 pm EST

Hospo - Not to make excuses for AV or the Rangers, but they're not missing JUST one player...they're missing their top center and their powerplay quarterback...and really, you've got to cut the coach a little slack here...He lost four integral players...and replacing them ain't easy, ESPECIALLY with two of your top guys out...Like it or not, the Rangers that left the ice after losing to the Kings were breaking up. There was simply no way to keep that team together...RICHARDS was the first one who was obviously gone...that means gone is your second-line center and pointman on the PP...even if you take a grim look at his performance, the simple fact was Richards contributed A LOT to this team...then we lose the free agents...Someone said here STRALMAN'S loss was really significant...I totally agree...perhaps the most significant of the three, really....he held down that top-four defensive position...and while BOYLE might offer a temporary solution there, he's out...And that's not to minimize the absence of POULIOT...Again, a player who's skill set is VERY difficult to replace. Some are saying MALONE is a 'no-brainer' to do it...I totally disagree...he's not even half the talent that Pouliot is on a bad day...then who else is out there? HAYES or MILLER are probably the closest in skill-set, but one is playing in the center to compensate for the absence of Step and the other simply couldn't hack it at this time...And that's not to trivialize the loss of Brian BOYLE...the guy was good at faceoffs, played huge minutes on the PK and, though he got somewhat of a bum rap here for being soft, he DID bang a lot. And while Tanner GLASS and Malone are good adds, they're still barely compensating for what we lost with the big guy...I totally concur with what AV is doing...he knows this team is a bit of a clusterf@ck because of the two injuries...and he knows he has four huge holes to patch...so he's seeing what works now so that he's not swapping around lines mid-season like his jackass predecessor was wont to do...AV's got a full plate. And I think he's doing a good job swapping guys around...He rightly canned the MSL-at-center move, rightly sent down Miller...is rightly giving Mueller a shot to hold down fourth line...and rightly giving DUCLAIR a rest, hopefully before he heads back to the Q. The only complaint I have with him now is that he's not calling for McILRATH.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:04 pm EST

I wouldnt take much comfort in those words if Im JT, TD. Feels like his goose is cooked this time. I know you compared it to Kreider last year, but CK had an ability to be dominant, to lift people out if their seats & leave an impression thats unmistakable. Not that JT cant impress with solid play. I just dont know when he gets chance again.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 12:00 pm EST

tdchi -- actions speak louder than words....AV can say whatever he wants about Miller....the fact is that he sent him down AGAIN and has a history of criticizing the kid in words and deeds. Of course he wants Miller to stay confident and play well in Hartford....he's not going to throw salt in the wound by taking parting shots at the kid....that would hurt the organization. But, I'd consider AV's words a backhanded compliment.

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:57 am EST

I can see AVs logic, just dont like it all that much. Some is not his doing entirely, square pegs. But CK-Hayes-Nash is HUGE and reunites BC linemates. He keeps Brass-Zuc together, mandatory imo. And I like Stemp with Moore, pure checking unit the coach needs to max by matching vs SJ. The rest is mish mash. Hopefully he gives Malone a few more turns with Zuc like the other night.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:54 am EST

I was calling for Brass-Zucc-MSL last year and AV did try it a few times but did not have enough patience to let them mesh....probably because he tried it much later in the season than he is now. Zucc should easily be able to switch to LW....he's a lefty, he played it in Sweden and he's simply a crafty player who sees the ice so well. However, I do worry about the lack of size on that line....I think it will be a killer on the PP but at ES they might take a lot of physical punishment. If AV is going to put that line together, he needs to BE PATIENT, use them on the PP as a unit and give them time to figure things out. Another worry is that line trying to be too fancy and passing too much, but I do like those 3 together.

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:54 am EST

And the Rangers should send the Duke down to Quebec. If he cannot get into the lineup ahead of Chris Mueller, he needs to play the big minutes in juniors.

Bob


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:52 am EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers AV confirms that Duclair will be scratched Sunday "the 12 other forwards right now give us a good chance to win" #NYR

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:50 am EST

I suspect the Rangers will be Shark bait tonight. I find it interesting that lines seem to be like a Boggle cube, whatever comes out after shaking it up and dumping it out. Most teams use preseason to establish lines and such. Saw the Wild live last night....now THERE is a team. Fast, skilled, tough and all over the puck. They lost a game 2-1 that they should have won 5-0 in Anaheim. There adherence to the system and moving the puck was exemplary.

Bob


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:49 am EST

Well, I guess maybe all this 'AV hates Miller' talk was a little premature: Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV praises Miller's attitude/behavior as "very professional." Says Miller has "a lot of upside."

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:48 am EST

Told you guys MOORE would end up on third line...Say what you will about AV's coaching...the guy uses simple logic with his lines..he's doing almost the same thing he did last year, which is using the first month of the season like an extended camp...HAYES-KREIDER is a no-brainer if MSL comes out of the center and MILLER is in Hartford. MUELLER is a bottom-line center built like a brick shithouse. The kid is like 5'11 and 215 or something..gets another righty into the lineup...my only question now is how he gets MSL and ZUCC on the same line. That's like a munchkin line.

tdchi


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:43 am EST

Well, Stepan was a stretch for a number 1 center. Losing him means that we have a definite no. 2 as a no. 1, and nothing even close to a number 2 behind him. Just a rookie, an AHLer, and a great special teams C.

Messier11


Sat Oct 18 2014 11:34 am EST

The Rangers are missing one player, and everything crumbles? If it does, it's becasue of one person. AV...Look, we have a hole at Top 2 line center but this team also has talent..The problem is, right now, AV has zero clue how to use it and what to do with individual players...He's already jumping to conclusions, wasting players and jusut throwing crap on the wall...Hopefully he eventually gets it like last year but right now, the ho-hum play lies at him...Waht a difference between watching AV coach the Rangers and Bruce Bochy manage my Giants....!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:45 am EST

Been wanting Kreider and Hayes put together for obvious reasons. Hoping it lites a bit of a fire under Kreiders butt. Please try Malone with Brass and Zucc AV ! The problem that might keep rearing it's ugly head is that I don't believe neither Mueller or Moore are suited for 3rd line center. Got no choice now I guess. Hope for the best.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:45 am EST

You're right p.a. it befuddled me last year when they made the deal. Nash & Zuc are two damn good RWs in front of MSL. And now Stempniak's our best player lol. Idk, Step can't get back quick enough, settle this thing down!!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:39 am EST

R.R., just seems like AV can't find a spot for MSL.Throwin' shit at the wall to see what sticks.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:35 am EST

Just got off the phone my boy KIS. Completely out of his mind with trade scenarios! OV, Ladd, E.Staal, and anyone else he could think of. All for JT by the way. Told him to post his nonsense on here for all to see. F@#$% crack-pot!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:30 am EST

Mueller is between Glass & Malone. Moore with Stemp & Hags. MSL with Brassard & Zuc. WTH AV? He comes up with the weirdest sh!t.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:26 am EST

DuClair out of mix at practice. Hayes is between Nash & Kreider.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 10:17 am EST

Ordinarily JFC, I'd be with you all the way. I always want the team set by end of summer. This year's a bit different I think. Most of all, whoever they bring in has to be the right fit. So, any scouting that might be going on now is important. Like I was alluding to with MSL & Thornton, with the older guys especially you never know when parts of their game are going to leave them, entirely and permanently. Plus there were so many ? With the kids, dont want to be wrong there either and give up the wrong ones. So, important period of assessment here. But Sather's trigger finger usually gets itchy around Thanksgiving. So it may not be too long.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 9:38 am EST

I know that the season is very, very early but IMO it's pretty obvious where our strengths and weaknesses are. With that being the case, I see no reason for Slats to not make a deal SOON to address the issues....if, of course, there are deals available....who knows? But if there are, I'd like to see him pull the trigger on at least one deal to shore up a weak spot....center, in particular. Why wait if you can get a guy now and let him ha e basically the whole season with the team. I'll stick with my early prediction that a deal will be made by game 20. And yes it's early, but LB stole my line about being somewhat miffed at AV for not having this team more settled going into the season. It pisses me off to see the juggling and struggling when he had a FULL off-season and camp to get things sorted out. Yes, the Step injury put a monkey wrench into,the works, but that goes with the territory....no excuses, he needed to have plans A, B, & C ready to go to cover the "what ifs." Instead, it feels like he's making it up as he goes along and that makes for SH!TTY HOCKEY. Get it together AV! Make a deal Slats!

JFC31


Sat Oct 18 2014 9:31 am EST

Brooks is all over the place in that column, though it is about how AV is all over the place as well lol. Doubt we see Mueller with Nash & Kreider as he suggests. Nash is on fire, leading the NHL in goals. why disrupt him? What Brooks is wise to point out is St Louis now with just one goal in 24 regular season games as a Ranger. Thats a pace of less than 4 goals for the year, and , while MSL Im sure will go on a bit of a goal-scoring streak at some point, I dont see it improving much.Oh boy. This is a guy who had 30 combined last year, TB-NYR. He's scored 30 or more 7-8 times if you count strike years. But all that seems left is his playmaking, which is substantial. A guy like that is so crafty, he can makes plays till he's on social security. It's just, the decline reminds me of another once big-time scorer, Thornton. He scored 20 or more 11 times, but last year just 11 goals. I point this out because finishing was among our biggest problems last year. And despite Nash thus far, still not sure we're out of the woods.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 9:15 am EST

RF, don't know about you but I don't like Yakapov's game at all. And we're wing-heavy already in prospects. If I'm trading Miller its for a center or a dman /prospect.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:58 am EST

Malone doesn't have Pouliots speed. That was a fast line.

Messier11


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:12 am EST

LB taking some veiled shots at the coach for the constant line juggling so far this year. He forgives AV for last year's similar behaviour, but not so much this time around. I agree. Yeah, the Stepan injury has caused some consternation, but does that mean you don't do the obvious and put Malone in Poo's spot on the Brass/MZA line? IMO, hell no. And AV``s fascination with icing a creampuff lineup is inexplicable and risking running into a spat of injuries due to his players being manhandled. IMO that`s inevitable - it`ll happen sooner or later. He`s bugging me right now.

RF4L


Sat Oct 18 2014 8:03 am EST

Yakapov in play - he's wasting away in Oilerville. Would anyone do a Miller for Yak swap?? I'd consider it, depending on what other interest Miller might be generating from other teams.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:10 pm EST

Loved this quote from Brassard on Nash, "As soon as I saw him (at camp) I knew he meant business."

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:32 pm EST

jesus

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:27 pm EST

I actually have an appreciation for Dancin' Larry now...http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=50701

RF73


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:30 pm EST

TD- honestly, I just don't see AV giving any of Moore Mueller OR Hayes 2nd line C. But we will both know soon enough.

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:20 pm EST

And on the MILLER-AV relationship...actually, Carp was saying fans are really jumping the gun saying that AV has soured on him or doesn't like his game...I agree with him too...I like the kid, but even I can't ignore the fact that Miller's game tailed off precipitously after the pre-season...and for whatever that reason was, he wasn't earning himself any chances on the top line, which, IMO, is where he basically needed to be to help the team...Miller wasn't doing them any good on third line...and he wouldn't be doing the much could as a fourth-line wing either...and as with DUCLAIR...who do you bump out of the lineup to put him in? He was getting outplayed by both HAYES and Duke, so it's not like he was firing it up...I personally would have STARTED him with a top-line assignment, rather than where he was...but the truth is, he earned himself a trip back to Hartford...I will say, however, a similar thing happened with KREIDER last year...he didn't stand out in camp...and in fact, he was outplayed by BOTH Miller and ironically, FAST...and there was a lot of hemming and humming when he went down...But lo and behold, Nash gets injured...Kreider plays very well in six games in the AHL...and BOOM. The light switch goes on...Kreider is promoted and quickly becomes a crucial piece of the lineup...I thought Brooksie's Tweet was kind of funny, but I also think any notion that Tortorella "hated" Kreider is total shite. Tortorella made the same observations of him that AV ultimately made, which was that the kid wasn't in the mindset to bring it...same is true for JT. The kid has talent. I've seen what he's capable of doing...but he's also got to pull together some consistency before he gets a chance at the big time...I no more see Miller as on the outs with this organization than I do any other player they've drafted over the past three years...rather, I think he's an integral part moving forward...but if he's not currently part of the solution, then he's part of the problem and off to Hartford he goes...would be a different story if he played like he did, got demoted, tore the AHL up and was left there to rot while MUELLER got a call up...but that's simply not the case.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:17 pm EST

Dont disagree & said as much TD. Unlikely I grant you. But I have my rays of hope. One thing Handzl isnt is a scorer, which in budgetary terms are way more valuable than 2-way centers. If Maloney things he can snatch say a Buchevich and even an MCI on ELCs, he'd have to consider it Id think. As opposed to giving up pieces for Thorton, Id prefer it. I wouldnt even mind losing MCI (not what Id want, as stated) if we're getting a monster back in the deal. Actually a Handzl would be on the ice more than a no. 6. Just my crazy mind running away...

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:04 pm EST

RR - I would love HANZEL on this team, but that's really a pipe dream. I mean, he's a big part of Arizona right now...the kid is CHEAP too...$3.1 million over the next three years? And it's not like they have another center raring to go either...probably the best they have in the AHL right now is Ulfie's kid Henrik and he's just coming out of juniors...so not to burst any bubbles, but it ain't happening. Not unless the Rangers give them something that's too good to be true.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:59 pm EST

Agree & agree, PA. Id at minimum like to see MCI get the same 50+ NHL games JT did before any ultimate deciding of his fate as a NYR goes. But there have been some remarks by two normally reserved reporters that have me wondering if he even gets that. And big picture, MCI was an early cut, didnt even see the last two p.s. games, nor has he been one of first two callups after Boyle's injury. IDK. AV thankfully c as me around on Malone like we were all pleading for, and today they even sent his little pet down. Ifk if I should be hopeful or not on MCI.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:55 pm EST

Messier11 - Here's the deal: Literally every sign is pointing to the MSL-at-center era being over. Every sign. Start with the game last night, go to the Rangers' lack of scoring against an inferior team and then swing by the fact that they didn't call up MUELLER to sit on the bench. They're in the metro area at least until Friday, meaning they could pull someone into the fold within a couple hours...I would bet almost anything that Mueller makes his Rangers' debut Sunday and it's at the behest of sitting DUCLAIR...can't sit the big kid against the Sharks. My guess is they have lines that look a little like this: NASH-BRASSARD-ZUCC, KREIDER-HAYES-MSL, HAGELIN-MUELLER-STEMPNIAK, MOORE-GLASS-MALONE.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:12 pm EST

R.R., pure conjecture on my point regarding JT and Big Mac. I was only referring to Big Mac as the mistake part of the deal. I feel it is soooo...in the best interest of this Club for that young man to be in the line-up. They are gonna get crushed because this roster has NO deterrent. A view espoused by many here. As for JT; how many chances already? Time to move on while he has good value.

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:44 pm EST

I don't think Mueller is automatically in. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see MSL still at C. Kreider/Brassard/MZA, Duclair/MSL/Nash, Hagelin/Hayes/Stempniak, Glass/Moore/Malone or something like that

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:35 pm EST

Tell ya what, Bob. I like Duke a lot. He's got some special skill. But Buch is bigger & growing and has amazed me with some of the things he's been doing - against men.and not sure Haggerty isnt deadlier than either. And all 3 have nowhere to play. Nor does as monster named McIlrath. High class problems ;)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:26 pm EST

Maloney's been with Yotes since 07. No mention anywhere, Mess. Just what Id shoot for. 3.5 is a bit high for their structure for a 2-3C. Maloneys always looking for a bargain. Nobody wants to play against that fuck. Reminds me of Jaws from Bond.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:24 pm EST

Boy, I would agree on Hanzal. He is a guy I would spend young assets on. Young assets not named Duclair, of course! Buchnevich maybe, but not Duclair. Hags/Fast, JT and a prospect maybe?

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 5:19 pm EST

finding 2 centers to fill in for stepan and Richards has not been as easy as sather signing guys, and veenyo sending them down and losing Lombardi. it's become a major problem adding to their early season woes. they need to find at least 1 center who can handle the nhl. i sure hope Mueller is able to. jt jitters better light it up in Hartford if he wants to play with the nyr again.....I would move d Moore up and put mule on the 4th line for now. Moore was used that way in the playoffs, not sure why veenyo has avoided doing that so far.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:56 pm EST

Was Don Maloney with us when JT Miller was drafted? That might be a key....that Maloney is interested in guys he knows about from his stint with the Rangers and is here to talk deal with Sather. Figure out what players we have that were drafted during his tenure here and we might have any idea who Maloney might be interested in..

JFC31


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:55 pm EST

I think Hanzal would be a good add, but when has it been suggested that Phoenix is unhappy with either he or Vermette?

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:48 pm EST

Before even Thorton Id go so hard after Handzel Maloney might not be able to resist. Theyre going to have to replace Doan's scoring someday, and they always need good young guys on ELCs. Theyre also paying Handzel like $3.5 next few years. Handzel's been averaging about 200 hits a year, wins about 500 faceoffs per, and he puts up his 35-40 pts. A mean 6-6/230 ROCK like that behind Step & Brass could be perfect, better than adding Jumbo, who's basically just a good setup man nowadays. Just sayin. Doubt DM would do it but he'd be my no. 1 target.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:36 pm EST

Don't know that Vermette is available, and wouldn't want to pay a first for him if he were. Where does he slot in once Stepan is back? 3C? We have players that fill that role.

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 4:19 pm EST

Don Maloney at the Garden last night. Maybe Sather can deal our 2015 #1 to the Coyotes for Antoine Vermette. Oops....we don't have a 2015 #1. Do we still have a 2016 #1? 2017?

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:53 pm EST

Geez, I forgot all about Lombardi already lol. Shows how just 5 games in, that 3rd center spot is becoming clearer. I really think this demotion doesnt bode we ll for Miller. Its not like all the others, with the hype and golden opp to grab not one but two open spots. So if its not Lombardi or JT, once Step's back its fown yo Hayes, Murller, and Lindberg....... or Joe Thorton or Eric Staal.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:49 pm EST

HOSPO: In a perfect world I agree with you. However, the Rangers are in a bad position right now and even though he is very raw HAYES is needed on the roster.

Vic


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:42 pm EST

Mueller call up may be simply the tough decision that Malone has out-played Miller and that they feel more comfortable shifting someone like Mueller in and out than they would a kid like Miller. Same goes for Fast, obviously outplayed by Stempniak

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:37 pm EST

Stralman made regular mistakes through first 3/4 of last season, some lowlight reel ones where the camera cuts to Hank and he's ready to chop off Anton's head. He got really solid about a month before the playoffs and I'll bet he stays that way, but he is not worth that money and didn't fit into a team also carrying Girardi and Klein on the right side. He is not the answer to our problems. Staal is solid when Boyle pinches. It's a good, productive, dependable pairing.

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:29 pm EST

Actually, Stempniak has been special teams just about everywhere he's ever played. It's just that he's doing better at it here than he did in Pittsburgh and Toronto. Any team is going to be thin at center when they lost their top C. Our issue is that were also trying out two kids (Miller, Hayes) for the #3 slot, and our vet depth C (Lombardi) didn't pan out. Nothing to get hyperbolic about given how early it is

Messier11


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:26 pm EST

Hospo: Therein lays the crux of the problem: Hayes is learning at the NHL level with a club who's GM feels in a cup contender, because there's really no choice. Hopefully, he takes advantage of that, to the point where when Stepan returns, he continues to take a regular turn at center.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:25 pm EST

The Rangers are so weak at center it's ridiculous. Chris Mueller? Oh wow, now the popgun offense will wake up. Stempniak getting a regular turn on the PP is evidence enough Sather has yet again failed to address this team's inability to generate sustained offense. Don't get me wrong - Stempniak's heart is admirable, but only in NY where the PP has sucked since before Sather's ridiculously long tenure started, does he look good.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:18 pm EST

VIC - I din't see enough of the game last night to see HAYES flopping around but that is what I noticed in him before the Islander game and why I wanted him in the AHL..OTOH, he was dangerous against the Isles....Offensively, yes, he can carry the puck and has vision, but I just think he can really use some mega ice time and leanring the 2-way game in Hartford....BUT..The Rangers do not have many options...If St. Louis is back to C, you need BOTH MMUELLER and HAYES......

Hospo


Fri Oct 17 2014 3:03 pm EST

OAN: Crybaby got called for tripping with 9 seconds left in regulation time last night with the score tied... Big Bird Spezza scored with 4 seconds remaining for the win..... ha ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:56 pm EST

IMWO: with JT Miller being sent down, HAGELIN owns the 4th line RW spot & perhaps 1st unit PK....... With Nash, MSL, MZA, Kreider, Malone, Stempniak, & DuClaw waiting in the wind, as our 1st,2nd,3rd line wings, and Hags 5gp, 0 goals, 0 assists, -5, that's were he belongs..... I concur with BOB/Hospo that JT Miller belongs on the forth line as a wing, and give the kid some time.. He's too young to give up on... Also agree that unless a no brainer of a trade comes falling into our lap, we may want to wait until Stepan & DBoyle come back before talking trade..... As for The Duke, the CJC feels strongly that at some time this season he MUST go back to JR's and get the experience of competing in their Post Season, & any WJC's he may qualify for; this way, if we need to call him up for the NHL playoffs, he's got that experience under his belt. That experience may be as much, or more valuable than regular season games with the men..... jmo naturally.....

mf


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:56 pm EST

I don't get why everyone is writing Fast off,he has 66 north American regular season and playoff (3 PO games) under his belt. Its really only his second year in NA (played 1 games in 12-13 for the Pack) Most people says it takes the first season just to adjust fully on and off the ice. He is just getting started here, to already have him as an NHL failure is a bit pre-mature. Miller is who is a bigger concern. I said it after 3 games, he still looks like he has no clue what to do at the NHL on many shifts. I would say, as someone said, hope he tears up the AHL and trade him, maybe with another younger player who is probably going to be on the outside poking in (maybe Fast even though I like him) and get some value back. A player or a nice pick. I just think that its a risk to keep him, if he fails to develop he will be a wasted asset...at the same time, I don't want to see him traded to a team the Rangers need to see a lot, because if he ever does figure it out he will be tough to play against.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:46 pm EST

Miller's line, 3.games; -4, 7 shots, 4 hits, 3.blocks, 9 of 23 on faceoffs, zero points, avg 12:06 TOI.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:42 pm EST

Finally getting a minute to comment. First, on HAYES. I thought he played better against the Islanders then he did last night. He was flopping a bit last night and I thought he made more mistakes last night then against the Islanders. I don't think his position in the lineup is safe at all and it would not surprise me if MUELLER is being brought up with the intention of sitting HAYES on Sunday.

Vic


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:36 pm EST

Bob, Kreider could be the answer to Brooks' question just the same. We know how BOTH turned out. Think it does AV a disservice to suggest he doesn't like Miller and therefore he's on outside looking in. He's a very professional coach. Would presume first its Miller's game he doesn't like.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:35 pm EST

I miss Brian Boyle a lot just because he bled Ranger Blue and did all the little things, but the biggest mistake the Rangers made was not re-signing Stralman. I'm sure Boyle will help our PP, but he's bad in his zone and our D was a huge reason we made the Finals last year. Stralman was our best Dman in the playoffs and probably our 2nd best to McD during the season. Not flashy, but rarely made mistakes and was physical when needed. Great puck mover, pretty good skater, and always calm - perfect for this system. And he wanted to be here. And for those who disagree, the stats bear out that he's really good, he was one of the best dmen in the league as far as the possession stats/analytics go. I'm in the middle as far as eye test/character and stats (meaning i think they're both relevant as opposed to JUST one or the other), but I think they definitely have some meaning.

chinstrap


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:32 pm EST

I don't think the Rangers will be making any deals until STEPAN and BOYLE come back...would be stupid to deal for someone when you're still not sure what the organization needs...re: MILLER and McILRATH...both these guys are YOUNG. Mac is 22...Miller is 21. Moving either at this point would be ill-advised.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:30 pm EST

MZA is the answer for the Brooks question. Sometimes coached don't like particular players. MZA is a goofball off the ice. Torts hated guys like that. AV does not like Miller, who should be banging people at wing on the 4th line. S now, let's hope JT tears up the AHL increasing his trade value. His NHL future does not appear to be in NYC. Fast's future appears to be in the SEL or the KHL.

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:08 pm EST

I've thought same myself many times p.a. . Seems to be the writing on the wall. Not sure on mistake part for either guy right now, time'll tell.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:05 pm EST

Lost post, dammit. If JT goes in am deal, and assuming Hayes locks down a center spot for a while at least, I'd love to see Miller bring back a young RHD to QB the PP. Its one thing the system doesn't really have excepting Calls Johansson .if in fact that's his last name), mid-to-late rounder we took. Would love to find a young Karlsson type, as would every NHL GM. But even the kid from Colorado try supposedly almost got for MDZ, umm...Barrie. Good-looking young D, nose for the net. We're a little too heavy in forwards, especially wings. Not that I'm complaining. They look good! Christ, if he doesn't stick, Duclair, Buchnevich and Haggerty all in the system? Thats some good shit.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 2:03 pm EST

My concern is that McIllrath is going in the package with JT; Miller is done as a Ranger. Big mistake if that happens.

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:49 pm EST

As for FAST, I have seen him as a non-entity since day 1 last year..Nothing wrong..but nothing really right.....belongs in the AHL so he can play rather than just sit as a bklack ace,.

Hospo


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:48 pm EST

RR - if the McILRATH promotion didn't happen today, it ain't going to happen before the Sharks game, IMO. Stupid decision.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:47 pm EST

This is what I meant when I said that it appears that AV has Miller on a short leash. Whereas he seems to WANT to have an excuse to keep Duclair, he seems to WANT to have an excuse to not have Miller. Ya gotta think Miller is gonna be packaged in a trade at some point. There no point in having a talented kid who the coach doesn't like....it's a waste of talent.

JFC31


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:47 pm EST

I tried watching the game last night, bit talk about boring and worthless...Ended up watching some Shark show with the Wife and that was easilt mor entertaining! Two things i got out of the game in my short viewing---STEMP is playing really well,,,and Sam and Michalette are unded an MSG editc to priase Kevin HAYES at all costs, even if he's able to get over the bench! Nah, he looked DECENT also......The Center spot is still a mess.....While MUELLER was the best out of the 5 in pore-season and deserve ice time over others, it's still a mess with Brass, Hayes, Moore and MUeller.....I think AV is an ass and the Rangers morons for not playing JT MILLER at WING...I was unimpressed with im as a C and a benching was no probleme, but demoting the guy already.? Can't see his life aqs a Ranger lasting all that much longer....Hopefully he mans up in Hartford and at least keeps up his trade valeue.

Hospo


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:45 pm EST

Mixed feelings on callups. Thank god AV has stopped seeing what ever the hell had him so enamored with Fast, who contributed about as little as any 'name' prospect I can recollect. JT, ahh.... Can't say he got the fullest chance, but they'd seen enough. As long as the bus is coming down the turnpike they could have had McIlrath board it. Damn.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:43 pm EST

And on a related note, some of the Rangers beat reporters are saying MUELLER in the lineup Sunday is a lock if MSL at center experiment is over...and that means someone must come out...DUCLAIR, they're saying, is the logical assmumption...and right there...if you're scratching the kid, then send him back to juniors.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:32 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie SAT question: Miller is to Vigneault as _____ was to Tortorella?

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:32 pm EST

The Miller demotion is ridiculous...but whatever...Gonna be interesting to see Dom Moore as our new third-line center...and I guess HAYES will be centering MSL and NASH.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:28 pm EST

JFC - If there's one thing I've been it's consistent on my opinion of DUCLAIR. Didn't say he's been horrible...just said he's becoming more and more invisible as the games go on...And really, what you said about MSL pretty much follows my line of thinking on Duke...there's no room for him in the top six...MAYBE...just maybe in the top nine...but here are your wings: Nash, MSL, Hagelin, Zucc,and Kreider...That's nine guys who have the ability or should be in the top six...who do you put to third line for Duke? There never was any room for Duke unless there's an injury or he lights it up like he did in preseason...neither of those things being the case, he belongs back in juniors. Two good games does not make a season...and the fact is, Duke has had as many mediocre performances now as he's had good games...kid needs to be with his cohort...he needs another year of seasoning and muscle building...When he gets here next year, he'll be ready for a top line assignment.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:25 pm EST

JT Miller and Fast to Hartford. Chris Mueller up. Looks like RR called it. The MSL at center experiment appears to be over, and Kevin Hayes is a keeper for now.

Bob


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:11 pm EST

The one thing with Duclair, he's been pretty good for Nash. Whether Nash would be doing this on his own or with his old line of Stepan & Kreider is debatable, by do you really want to mess with it right now? Idk, could be a factor in Duclair staying.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:04 pm EST

td -- Duclair did not have a great game last night, but he was not benched because AV thought he was playing badly....he got benched because they dcided that the MSL at center experiment was over and moved him back to wing. That forced Duke off that line and made him the odd man out. He had one excellent move on a different line where he burst around th D and went hard to the net but was stopped. It's amazing to me that you could tout JT MIller over and over again and then after 4 excellent games and one so-so game, you think the Duclair "experiment" is over and he should be sent back. Be consistent. If thata's your criteria, Miller was in the stands for the past 2 games....does that indicate his experiment is over and he should be sent back to Hartford? I posted on Wednesday, that part of Duclair's evaluation will be how he reacts to a bad/so-so game and/or time in the stands. He hasn't earned any additional icetime because of one game that you didn't like? He's got 3 points in 5 games, is a +4 and because he's the odd-man out when MSL gets moved back to wing, you think he should get sent back to Jrs? That's it?....5 games, one so-so, the rest excellent and you think he's proven he doesn't belong here?

JFC31


Fri Oct 17 2014 12:28 pm EST

yes

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:52 am EST

Team has to play approx. 100 more games to win it all (and played as late as anybody last year). Really want to begrudge them a day off cause they're a game under .500?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:33 am EST

stevie: Could be a CBA mandated day off...

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:05 am EST

I hope it's video and popcorn day at least today.....don't deserve a day off with 4 points out of 10....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 11:04 am EST

Should have said vitally important, re; no- tolerance policy. Nothing more important in fact, not even the PP. If teams (again) start running Nash, McD, Hank, we're done.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:54 am EST

On GLASS...I think a lot figured he was(is) the Rangers goon...but I don't think the guy has ever been a serious fighter...hasn't had double digits in fights for three seasons now...DORSETT, though he often got thumped, fought a hell of a lot more...ditto with CARCILLO...Glass is a tough guy, but he's not much of a pugilist, IMO...and while he's been OK...I still don't see how he's an upgrade over what we had before on fourth line...Rangers had a very good fourth line last year and I was really sorry to see it dismantled. And while I'm more concerned about the other three lines, I don't think our fourth is nearly as good as it was last year.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:41 am EST

how much worse can big mac be than kostka, hunnwick, j moore, or klien? ....what he adds is missing...glass must be broken.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:24 am EST

Agreed with the promote McI chant. AV is starting to bug my ass....

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:24 am EST

I could see McIlrath giving us a nice jolt like he did vd. Calgary last year, taking on I think it was McGrattan. That said, doubt they do it. But its important while still early on here to set s no-nonsense policy, but we dont have all the horses. Teams tend to notice things like guys leading the league in goals.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:16 am EST

stevielegs - agreed they have no business having a day off...but on Mac...his skating isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be...he ain't going to beat Hags or Kreider in a foot race, but it's not like he's a stump out there...and the rest of his game? I don't think it's that bad either...the only reason I see to keep him down there is if he can't get regular shifts in New York. Obviously, that's not a problem right now...promote the kid...get him minutes.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:12 am EST

RF4L - Amazed SCOTT even has a job in the NHL...but indeed, count me as one who is nervous for the results of Sunday's game...There was never a better time for McILRATH to come into the mix...between Scott, Burns, Burish and Hannan, they're gonna end up the black and blue shirts if they don't man up.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:05 am EST

if scott can play for sj and score a goal, so can big mac...I'd rather see him as 7th d or 4th liner, sitting in stands as veenyo gets enlightened as the nyr get lit up.....time for him to learn in the nhl, or trade him.......he need a personal hockey trainers for skating, passing, etc....but not in the ahl.....let him be the next kid k to figure it out, even if he goes up and down, or sits some out.....time to grow up.....veenyo has a blind spot to that part of hockey, and it's costing them points.....gonads lead to confidence.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:00 am EST

Well here's a little good news: John Rosasco @JRNYR Brandon Halverson turned aside 30 shots last night in 5-4 SSM win improving to 7-0-0 with a 2.57 GAA and .920 sv %. Leads OHL in wins #NYR

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 10:00 am EST

One guy Rangers should be on the lookout for Sunday vs. SJ is Scott. That big stiff totally nailed someone from Isles last night. Late but mostly clean hit, the guy was on queer street. Not sure last time I saw a guy take a concussion on a shoulder hit, but that's what it looked like (in a crowded bar at least). So, maybe not a bad time for the McIlrath audition. In fact, its getting about time to rev up the NY-Htfd shuttle. JT & Fast haven't played last two games. Hunwick's not awful, pretty creative but makes me nervous. If Duclair is getting phased out just get on with it. Maybe he gets one more game but if he's not top 9 he's out, by AVs own admission. Thing is, if Haggerty is recalled, which I would LOVE to see, he's a RW on a full right side. Idk what happens there.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:55 am EST

TD: You spent way more time putting down your thoughts and FWIW, I concur with most of them, the key one being the inferior opponent. I also disliked the Rangers continued lack of physicality - they are a bunch of creampuffs, with a couple of exceptions. Look out for SJ. Check out this hit from last night's SJ/NYI game: http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/10/16/6991511/mikhail-grabovski-injured-john-scott-hit

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:55 am EST

wild why are they off today, no practice? ....nhl schedule is lopsided.....and veenyo needs them practicing.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:50 am EST

The only positive to be gleaned from that win was that it was a win and two points...I'd love to say Hank played a strong game...that NASH was dominant...but they were playing a team with a roster half-filled with junior players and AHLers...I counted about eight guys that probably shouldn't be in the NHL right now...I tell you, I was more impressed with the first two periods of hockey they played against the Islanders than all four periods they played against Carolina...that game was a mess...and that's before taking into consideration that it was against a REALLY weak opponent...couple thoughts that don't differ much from once I had after the Islander game...ST. LOUIS at center...Holey schnikies, it's got to end. I don't care if it's MILLER, MUELLER or LINDBERG...the guy ISN'T a center...never has been...putting him at center is basically taking one of your top scorers out of position and putting him in one where he's not nearly as effective...can he play center? Sure. Is he good at it? Nope. Stupid move and it's got to stop, especially when the Rangers are struggling to produce points...DUCLAIR...OK...experiment over. Time to let the big boys play hockey...I don't think he had a bad game per se, but what I suspected would happen is happening...he's starting to have more and more shifts where he's invisible and that's something that simply CAN'T happen on the Rangers' top line...I would send him back to juniors and promote HAGGERTY...I'm rapidly souring on KLEIN...Liked the guy when he came here last year...though admittedly I didn't like the trade, he seemed to really settle the Rangers' D down...but man...this year...I don't know if its because he simply can't play a top-four role or that he's having a rough start...but he SUCKED last night. Sucked against the Islanders too...I don't mind HUNWICK. Actually, I kind of like the kid...but having him play the off-side is another thing that is not a long-term or even short-term solution...it's time to bring of McILRATH. I don't know what AV's hesitation is. Pair the kid with STAAL and let's see what happens...If there's one thing I do like about MALONE being in the lineup is it's that he brings a high degree of snarl with him...If the Rangers could have him AND Mac in the lineup, I think they would really change the dynamic of the team...they're going to need it against San Jose. That team will absolutely barrel over the Rangers without at least one other big banging body in the lineup...On another note...if there are two constants with this team its that they SUCK on the PP and that they can't win faceoffs if the season depended on it...in fact, with those to constants its really almost an oddity that the Rangers win at all...those are two CRITICAL elements of the game...I just don't understand how after two dynamically different coaches and the roster turnover they've had that they STILL can't correct these elements. It's really a curiosity...Last night they won 23 faceoffs and lost 44(!!)...and while I can understand losing against a guy like Jay McCLEMENT...Victor RASK? Riley NASH? C'mon...and then the PP...Zero for five?! Sweet Jesus.

tdchi


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:36 am EST

5 games in we only have 4 goal scorers. Nash (6), Brassard (3), Stempniak (2), Kreider (1). That'll change too.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:26 am EST

WHy the 5PM start time, I assume.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:13 am EST

stevie: Why what?

Wildcard


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:10 am EST

Hard fought game, no reason to get too high or low IMO. This was a game where you could see the players still arent 100% sharp, certain plays weren't clicking, for both sides. But thought Carolina played very well. Easy to say they're a cellar dweller and we should've blown them out, but Rangers stayed tight on D most importantly. The lines still aren't fitting seemlessly. Hayes was far more involved, now I'd love to see him post some points. That should come, the game looks like its starting to slow down for him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 17 2014 9:00 am EST

“I thought defensively we were safer and more dependable with the puck. We can still play a little bit faster and, offensively, find ways to get our shots more on net with proper traffic. But it was a step in the right direction,” Alain Vigneault...........................The Rangers are off on Friday and will practice on Saturday before hosting the Sharks, who lost to the Islanders, 4-3, in a shootout tonight, Sunday at 5.....why?

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:53 am EST

RF4L: The games prior to last night had more energy, more flow and such, but bad luck or bad plays lead to blowouts. Last night I got the feeling that they were REALLY concentrating on NOT giving up goals. They seemed to really want to keep the score down, it hurt them offensively for sure. Once they were down by one and didn't give up a second third and fourth they seemed open up to get back in the game and had a bunch of really good chances and it looked like a better game. I hope that they will feel better, and after a couple days of practice to build on a better defensive game that they will balance things out.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:48 am EST

The Boston Globe ✔ @BostonGlobe Milan Lucic was ejected after losing his temper during tonight's #Bruins game vs. Canadiens http://ow.ly/CTEZU pic.twitter.com/th2i8Qoiaa

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:11 am EST

boston 2-4, nyr 2-3, some teams only played 2 or 3 games so far....nhl parity?......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 17 2014 8:09 am EST

mf: Oh, it's not all negative - allowing only a single goal is a good thing. But they only scored one, too and at times the game was just crap - no flow, no passion, etc. I'm not convinced it's the start of the turnaround so many keep talking about in here. We'll see....

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:56 am EST

The GAA fell to 4 from 4.75, that's a positive......

mf


Fri Oct 17 2014 7:32 am EST

Ola: Because the Rangers, for the much of last night's game, looked like crap and against one of the weakest opponents in the league. They play like that against the Sharks on Sunday and it's a guaranteed loss.

RF4L


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:37 am EST

KIS- Hehe, I am trying to lighten the mood some! I've never seen the wall this down after a W. ;) I've not seen the game yet, nice to hear that Hayes is starting to find more of a fundamentally solid game.

Ola


Fri Oct 17 2014 6:14 am EST

Ola is our Swedish cowboy. Yiiihaaaaa. Lol

KIS


Fri Oct 17 2014 1:33 am EST

TWO POINTS BABY!!!!! YYYYiiiiiiihaaaaa. Exactly what the doctor put on the recepie.

Ola


Thu Oct 16 2014 11:09 pm EST

Nash is playin like its his puck. Jesus. Lost two posts, cant do it again. But he never got untracked in NY . If you think this Nash wont score in the playoffs I would respectfully have to disagree. Even when theyre stopping him it is just barely.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 10:08 pm EST

If Duke is not going to play....if the coach is going to "lose" him to the bench like that, send him back by all means.

Bob


Thu Oct 16 2014 10:07 pm EST

More likely that because the game remained so close for so long, AV wanted to tighten up defensively and thus keep Duke on the bench. If he goes down at any time this season, it'll be because of egregious defensive lapses, or because he simply stops scoring

Messier11


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:51 pm EST

Bob: Hopefully soon. Enough already. He's got skill and looks impressive, but time to err on the side of caution. For a change with this stupid organization.

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:43 pm EST

Duc being benched for most of the third not a good sign for him....That is for sure....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:29 pm EST

So the Duke heads back to Quebec City tomorrow?

Bob


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:19 pm EST

Actually thought MZA played a good game tonight.... Stempniak playing well is a good thing....He has been one of the better players on the ice for either team....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:18 pm EST

PJ: Hope you're right - can't make things worse, that's for sure. It's, for me, given the fact the problem existed pre-Sather and remains unaddressed since that incompetent man came aboard 12 years ago, hard to overlook.

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:16 pm EST

MFred: Concur about Stempniak. Nice signing and kudos to him for his hard work, but this is a journeyman bottom 6 forward who can skate and check and has a little offensive upside. Meanwhile, in NY he's getting regular turns on the pathetic PP and on the ice late in the game when the team needs a goal. I mean, really? BTW, where did MZA's offensive game go? Gone with Poo???

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:14 pm EST

RF...I believe Boyle and Malone will at some point really help our PP....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:07 pm EST

Been on the road so this was the first game I've actually seen....we suck....this was Carolina for god's sake and when Lee Stempniak is one of your best players you're basically screwed. McDonough 0 points, PP 0-fer 2014, StLouis at C is a disaster.....face offs where a million to 1. It looked like a bad AHL game. The only NHL caliber player on the Ice was Rick Nash. MZA, Haglin, Duclair, Kreider.....all invisible.....Hayes looked like he had a clue at times. The back 6........Jayzus. Well at least our GA went down tonight. Anyone optimistic about Sunday????? No CUP this year...sorry.

MelvilleFred


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:05 pm EST

PJ: Meaning the talent wasn't there last year?

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:02 pm EST

The talent is there for the PP....They will get it going...Boyle out doesn't help...

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 9:00 pm EST

Kudos to Nash for another strong game. I hope he keeps it up. Shame on Sather for yet ANOTHER year with a pathetic PP. 0 for 16 to start the season. I get why this incompetent idiot has a job, but why he's defended on this board time and time again is beyond me. He SUCKS!

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:54 pm EST

Nash on fire....Hank a strong game....It was the Canes but liked the D tonight...They needed this....

PJ


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:54 pm EST

Has Nash ever had the broadway fedora?

Messier11


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:53 pm EST

RANGERS WIN.....THHHHHHEEEEEEEEEE RANGERS WIN!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:52 pm EST

NNNNNNAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:40 pm EST

Gotta love Dickletti stroking Rod Brind'amour's conditioning. Who cares. Now let's get the winner in overtime and go home happy.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:25 pm EST

Kevin Hayes name has been called quite a bit tonight(in a positive way:). He's looking more and more confident.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:20 pm EST

Or Brassard. I would not be surprised to see that credited to Zuc later.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:18 pm EST

Thank goodness for Zuc, Now we just need Nash to get one.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:07 pm EST

WOW, Nash has done everything and I do mean everything, but score tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:51 pm EST

Ill say it again, just likecthe other night. Theyre playing mostly great, sansv shot selection. Another goal Hank doesnt flinch. Oy!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:49 pm EST

AV needs to let that Zucc-Brass-Malone line ride. They've had the best shifts of the game. Unfortunate deflection on the goal, but they look dangerous. Malone is like a bigger and stronger Pouliot - with good hands to boot. I hope he gives them a chance. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:33 pm EST

Man, this is one of those kind of games where one goal may be enough to win it. I want to be wrong and hope that I am.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:30 pm EST

On the upside Nash looks like a beast all over the ice.

barto


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:18 pm EST

Our pp looks blah as usual

rngrsans


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:07 pm EST

I'm really beginning to hate the nhl. All the parity has made it so boring to watch. Thanks buttman.

barto


Thu Oct 16 2014 6:48 pm EST

I only caught the last half of that Period, but man did it cure my insomnia.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 16 2014 6:11 pm EST

Carolina's one banged up bunch.... It would be nice to hold them to 1 goal or less............ The Rangers have allowed 17 goals in their past three games after opening the season with a 3-2 win at the St. Louis Blues. Forward Carl Hagelin said the forwards and defensemen have not been on the same page and it has led to prime scoring chances for the opposition. "It's probably a mix of forwards not coming back as hard as they should, so the [defense] is looking up and not seeing anyone, and it allows the other team to come in on the forecheck instead of backing off," Hagelin said. "It then feels like they have seven guys on the ice instead of five. If you make a mistake and you have a teammate close to you he might help you out, but right now if we make a mistake it's wide open for the other team. We're not really collapsing and we're getting beat off the wall so it creates a lot of room for them to get Grade-A scoring chances instead of just shots from the boards." Here are the projected lineups: HURRICANES Jiri Tlusty - Riley Nash - Alexander Semin.... Nathan Gerbe - Victor Rask - Elias Lindholm.... Chris Terry - Jay McClement - Zach Boychuk Brad Malone - Brody Sutter - Patrick Brown.... Jay Harrison - Justin Faulk.... Tim Gleason - Ryan Murphy Ron Hainsey - Brett Bellemore.... Anton Khudobin.... Cam Ward..... Scratched: none..... Injured: Eric Staal (upper body), Patrick Dwyer (lower body), Jordan Staal (leg), John-Michael Liles (upper body), Andrej Sekera (upper body) RANGERS.... Anthony Duclair - Martin St. Louis - Rick Nash.... Chris Kreider - Derick Brassard - Lee Stempniak.... Carl Hagelin - Kevin Hayes - Mats Zuccarello.... Tanner Glass - Dominic Moore - Ryan Malone.... Ryan McDonagh - Dan Girardi.... Marc Staal - Matt Hunwick.... John Moore - Kevin Klein..... Henrik Lundqvist.... Cam Talbot.... Scratched: Michael Kostka, Jesper Fast, J.T. Miller.... Injured: Derek Stepan (leg), Dan Boyle (hand).... Status report: Sutter will be making his NHL debut. He was recalled from the Charlotte Checkers of the American Hockey League on Wednesday. His father is former NHL player Duane Sutter. … Bellemore is making his season debut after being a healthy scratch for the first three games. … Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said Malone would remain as the net-front presence on the first power-play unit Thursday after playing 2:40 on the power play in his season debut Tuesday. The Rangers are 0-for-11 on the power play this season..... Who's hot: Nash leads the NHL with six goals. He is the first player in franchise history to score a goal in each of the first four games of the regular season.

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 5:53 pm EST

When they asked AV who was hardest to send down after camp he named Haggerty. Tells you who the first recall might be. Still think only reason Duclair stuck & Heggerty didnt is Duke is a LW.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 5:10 pm EST

RF4L - I think they really figured SEGUIN was headed down the wrong path and that if they didn't trade him soon, they weren't going to get much for him...The other thing is I think they wanted to move beyond the HORTON affair quickly...get both players the hell out of dodge before rumors began to wear on the team...Seguin was traded on the 4th...Horton signed in Columbus the next day...Certainly, I'm not saying the Bruins are going to be a push-over team...they're facing some of the same problems the Rangers are because they DID have significant turnover...but what I am saying is I can see the beginning of the end for them...they got some decent assets in the minors/juniors...and the pick they made in the first last summer is starting to look like he could be blue chip...but they really lost A LOT of their depth last summer. And unless some of their young guys step up, they could be in a world of hurt soon...so funny how they parlayed KESSEL into such a windfall and now that deal is actually not looking so hot...Eriksson is sure looking like he's done...Morrow and Fraser...not sure if they'll ever make it...and Reilly Smith is good, but I'm still not sold on him being much more than a second line player...

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 4:12 pm EST

Just yo chime in, Ericsson was a damn good wing before the headshots. Smith is real good already. Goes to show how hard it is to get value, even on a guy talented as Seguin. Thats why if & when, prices on some of these centers wont be anything we cant afford. And the bigger the $ you take on, the less talent you should expend.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:56 pm EST

Oh and that said, the Seguin trade remains to me a head-scratcher. Yeah, perhaps they felt he needed to be moved, but you gotta question the return they fetched. Nothing against Smith and Erikson, but was that really the best they could do?? I find that hard to believe....

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:54 pm EST

TD: Unfortunately, I think it's a tad premature to run down the Bruins just yet. I mean, I sure hope you're right because I truly loath that team, but the core of their offense remains (which isn't to say they have a superb offense because they don't - they are sorta like the Rangers in that they tend to score by committee) and yeah, the loss of Boychuk hurts, but they still have Rask. It's also too early to say for certain Hamilton won't step up. I do agree, however, they aren't as strong as last year, nor the year before. Chara is getting up there and even last night, just 5 games into the season, against the Wings he looked a little slow and got hit a few times, something we (finally) started to see more of the latter 3rd of last year. Lucic is slumbering, but that's what he does. Boston against Montreal tonight - the first game since Lucic threatened Weise and Emelin during the handshake ceremony after Les Canadiens had eliminated them from the POs. Could be fireworks.

RF4L


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:51 pm EST

TD: Maybe, but STEPAN was healthy last year and just missed camp. It took him a good two months to get back to form. I don't think we should assume anything less in this case.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:48 pm EST

Vic - I think you're greatly over-estimating the extent of STEPAN'S injury. Certainly, he ain't going to jump on the ice and be perfect at game 11...but if his injury was going to keep him in the dumps until January, they'd be talking more in terms of Jordan STAAL'S injury.

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:35 pm EST

Stepan"s been swimming. That"s the prescribed rehab till he can skate.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:26 pm EST

I know we all want STEPAN back ASAP but folks need to keep in mind that it is going to take STEPAN a while to get back into shape and then back into game shape. He hasn't been able to skate or probably do much of anything else like run or ride a bike. He is going to need time to get his game back to a productive level and get his timing back. He may be back in 3 or 4 more weeks but I don't think he will be back into game shape and have his timing back until some time in January.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 2:56 pm EST

JFC31 - Totally agree...But it was more than just KOSTKA. The Rangers flat-out collapsed in the third...in a sense, the Isles played rope-a-dope with them for two periods...let HALAK bear down and bail them out...and then waited for the Rangers to lose a step...and they did in the third...I keep saying once this team clicks just a half-step more and the minute they reach peak-conditioning, they're going to take off...the problems now are ones that will quickly evaporate when they start firing on all cylinders and Stepan comes back.

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 2:49 pm EST

Messier11 - GAGNE has been in camp with them for a while, but they didn't have the cap space to sign anyone until the BOYCHUK deal...I believe he had a handshake agreement to stick around and continue to practice with the team until they had space. He signed a couple days ago...Things are looking REAL grim in Bruinland...Team is in a free-fall of sorts...they moved Boychuck to help with their cap hell, hoping Dougie HAMILTON could step up...well...he hasn't...and then their offense...they started the season dressing a clown like Bobby ROBINS to compensate for THORNTON(who they also couldn't sign)...can't find anyone worth their salt to replace IGINLA...and on top of it all, they've scored like six goals this year...LUCIC is a shadow of himself...and they have a revolving door of people from Providence rolling through their lineup...Chiarelli seemed like a genius when he built that team...but the more and more they fall apart, he's really starting to look like a jackass...Trading SEGUIN and now BOYCHUK...ugh...but that's a bonus for the Rangers...

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 2:16 pm EST

Didn't see this posted anywhere- Boston signs Simon Gagner for depth

Messier11


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:30 pm EST

So in Nick's parlance thatd mean the gangly novice Hayes will be back in, and maybe he'll share a line with Malone, that reclamation project. Except Malone doesnt like to share. ;)

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:28 pm EST

The Rangers actually played very well for the 1st and 2nd period of the last game....they completely dominated Period 2 and actually looked like they were starting to click...they had something like TWENTY shots on goal....Halak kept the game close and then NotSpecial K completely killed them with 2 straight untimely touch pass attempts to the front of his own net. No excuse to not get back to what they were doing in Period 2 and beat up on the Canes tonight.

JFC31


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:08 pm EST

Yup. Same lineup except Hunwick in for Kostka. Sorry bout that.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 1:01 pm EST

StevieLegs with the "Comeback Post of the Year".... From the bowels of ice cream & cookies all the way up to "PUCK SUPPORT" in less than 24 hours... Can't Scratch that! :-)

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:47 pm EST

Guys...same lineup as Tuesday(because THAT worked good), except for KOSTKA, who is probably somewhere around Moosejaw looking for the IHL team he was shipped to...HUNWICK in for him...means we'll get to see a double dose of KLEIN...Can't tell you how much that thrills me...#sarcasm

tdchi


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:27 pm EST

NY Rangers Individual Stats off the Team web-site: http://rangers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:26 pm EST

Yeah...Scratch those earlier scratches. Ha!

Bob


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:22 pm EST

Scratch that ? hahaha

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:22 pm EST

R - JT and Fast in...Who is out? Malone, Glass...

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:21 pm EST

Jt/Fast NOT in.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 12:17 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?season=20142015&sort=standingsGoalsAgainst&type=LEA

mf


Thu Oct 16 2014 11:59 am EST

Hunwick in. JT & Fast in.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:46 am EST

Vic: Yeah, you need to recognize the issue before you can work on it. Its one thing that the coaching staff and leadership of this team last year and now early this have been able to do, they make sure the entire team is on the same page, they don't seem to just tow the line, but they really seem to buy in to what is being said. I think that is why for the most part problems don't seem to last, the PP issue is still there, but its not from a lack of trying, the PP looks better, but needs to score of course, but issues like lack of support with out the puck, and lack of support with the puck don't last to long, other issues may crop up, but they fix them as a unit. Tonight they SHOULD be better in the defensive area, they KNOW its an issue, and you know Hank will get on them if they don't get it cleaned up in front of him.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:42 am EST

STEVIE: BINGO!!!! Give STEMPNIAK and BRASSARD a cookie! At least they see the problem. If they can see it they can fix it. Hopefully that does start tonight.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 8:36 am EST

I would be hard pressed to break up that top line, I know MSL is not a natural center, but he has done well, and that line seems to have something clicking. Not just MSL and Nash as some have pointed out, but Duclair has found Nash a few times with great passes, and they always seem to be positioned well in regards to each other while the Rangers have the puck. They don't get bunched up much, it seems one of them is always open for a pass, and all 3 can handle the puck in traffic and make good passes and all have good shots. DOnt know what that does later on, and if MSL is better on wing (probably the case) but that line has really looked good.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:27 am EST

“I think everyone relies on, for the most part, layers in the defensive zone,” said Stempniak, along with Rick Nash the two best Rangers over the first four games. “You try to outnumber the other team and have safety valves in case there’s a breakdown. That’s probably the big issue right now. It seems like we don’t have that safety valve. It seems if one guy gets beat or there’s one mistake, it seems they get to the net and get a great scoring chance. I think we just to be a bit tighter on the puck, have all five guys on the puck a little bit more and we’ll eliminate those chances.”........“We know what we have to change in our game,” Brassard added. “I think one of the biggest parts is how we manage the puck everywhere on the ice, how we support the puck whether it’s on breakouts, the forwards supporting the D or the Ds supporting the forwards on the forecheck. We have to be better as a unit. We know what we have to do to be successful and it starts tomorrow.”

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 7:18 am EST

STEVIE: You mentioned the magic words in my book. PUCK SUPPORT. This is what I have been harping on with this team. They have a little success with stretch passes (like in St. Louis) and they fall in love with it and forget the most important things. Puck Support is critical in all three zones. You can't have guys flying the zone or not coming back all the way looking for stretch passes. Right now the gaps are too large between the forwards and the D. Hell, even the gaps between the forwards are too large. They are spreading the ice looking for open ice and long passes (even East/West passes). That play is only there when you demonstrate consistent puck support. When you are constantly supporting each other in the defensive end and the NZ it forces the D to step up and try to break up the rush and short passes. That opens up the stretch pass. This is similar to what we see in football. When a team demonstrates that it can run the ball effectively it forces the defense to bring numbers and play up to stop the run. That opens up the passing game. When I watch the Rangers right now I don't see enough close support. I don't see 2 or 3 guys within 10 feet or so of the Ranger with the puck. They need to attack in numbers and control puck possession. When they are forced to dump in they need to be attacking the zone in numbers so that puck retrieval is possible. They spend too much of the game conceding puck possession by using the long pass to a guy near the blue line who deflects the puck in. There is nobody entering in the zone to try to forecheck and retain possession. The "5 guys in the frame" mantra isn't just important in the defensive end. This is what is missing when I watched these last 3 games. When they get away from playing the puck support and puck possession game they get in trouble. When they let the gaps between the D and forwards get too big they turn the puck over. That was the biggest positive I saw in the game HAYES played the other night. He played a puck possession game. MSL, BRASSARD and MOORE did not and that is a critical element of the Center position IMHO. It is one of the big reasons why they are struggling right now in my opinion.

Vic


Thu Oct 16 2014 6:14 am EST

ola I understand what you are saying. in that the nyr don't really have what you think is needed from the blueline, which the coach wants from his blueline. their job is to get it out of their zone without giving up possession. it would be nice to have end to end rushes, but the centers and wings still have assist in getting that puck from one end to the other, and holding on to it. ...what's the solution?....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 5:55 am EST

Stevie- In this case I respectfully have to disagree. From my point of view, if you cannot have a blueline that moves the puck better than what McD-Girardi, Staal-Klein, Moore-McI would do -- I don't see why you should bother to try to compete during a NHL season. I litterary and seriously belive that. From my point of view its very simple, you just -- must -- be able to take the game to the other team in the NHL today. To accomplish that, you need to be able to place the puck at the other side of the rink. And to do that -- you need a blueline that can move the puck up ice. Please, do not misunderstand me. I am definitely -- not -- saying that there aren't room in the NHL for someone like McIlrath. Or power forwards up front. The PROBLEM is NOT McIlrath, its the other 5 guys who aren't good enough at moving the puck EITHER.

Ola


Thu Oct 16 2014 4:18 am EST

Did gomez make the Debbies ? That was worthless speed to me. But he could carry the puck and get it into the o zone ....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:59 am EST

OLA him not wanting to fit Big Mac in tells a lot . Speed is great but you need size and brute force to go , and stop the other teams speed. He was more than willing to let Malone rot because of this speed addiction... To me he's a bigger callahan ... As frank Zappa once said speed rots your teeth rots your mind Cocarotchya ... Speed kills....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:48 am EST

OLA what Veenyo wants and what he has is his reality. Him talking about the wrong side of the puck is like the dark side of the moon. He wants puck possession , then there has to be puck support. Short passes help accomplish that along with center men who help the d. He can want to have all he wants, but he has to live with what he has. Which means either they learn or he learns to adjust his concept. But if he can't get a pp that scores there is little excuse for that . It's early but there seems to be an unrealistic Santa claus wish list . He's making this mess than complaining about it. Until he gets set lines and sticks with them the results will be less than desirable .

stevielegs


Thu Oct 16 2014 3:04 am EST

Rabid- I think the answer to your question is pretty obvious, AV requires a certain amount of puck movement from his blueline as a whole -- our blueline is short in terms of that. Under Torts, these guys were just ordered to more or less fire the puck up along the boards as soon as they got it. Guys like Girardi for example really is not making that sharp of a first pass, nor is he able to skate with the puck in any sense. Staal is hardly labelled as a PMD. McD has stepped up a ton under AV, but he isn't Phil Hously II with the puck. So to answer your question, I think AV sees our blueline as a problem area because its short on ability to move the puck. Even moreso with Stralman gone and Boyle hurt. Hence, guys who are better at moving the puck than McI is given first shot.

Ola


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:31 pm EST

Good stuff & agree MF, re; comraderie. Talked about AV in VC with a bud of mine the other day. Those teams led league in PIMS. AV took Bieksa from nobody to big-time nasty prick. We thought for sure he'd do likewise with McIlrath. Sather's given him a few if not enough rough & tumble types. So has AV just done a 180 on toughness or does he believe wholeheartedly in new NHL its all speed & skill all the time? Or is he trying to balance it (which'd be my guess if forced to choose)?

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:05 pm EST

mf - you're killing me. Check you nyc.rr email for the love of all that's holey and unholy and everything in between.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:00 pm EST

je ne sais pas!

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:59 pm EST

Glass has 37 playoff games under his belt.... TD no surprise we came out looking a lot different against the Isles, Malone was in the line-up.. He should have been in against Columbus & Toronto..... And to beat a dead horse, when Stepan comes back, I'd start with Hagelin on the 4th line RW with Glass & Moore... Glass needs a night off, I'd slide JT Miller in there with Moore & Hagelin...... I'd like to see both Stempniak & Malone play the LW with Brassard & Zucc, and then again see Stempniak & Malone on the LW with Hayes & MSL......... This does nothing however for continuing the chemistry that MSL & Nash seem to have....

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:48 pm EST

Du se bots? Is that the same as tu sei pazz?

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:45 pm EST

mf - before you type another thing on RFC, check your email. I do believe I've figured out our issue with the Yahoo fantasy league and you should be all set with logging onto your team.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:40 pm EST

Nash & certain other guys (Zucc, MSL) may get run at, but I really believe this squad is going to hit & retaliate right back at them all the way down the roster to Girardi.... We have the same squad as last year with the experience of what it takes to go deep into the playoffs with this group. There's plenty of comaraderie on this roster, and yeah we're minus 4 guys, but the 4 replacements are Malone (43 playoff games), Stempniak (24playoff games), Glass (playoff games) and eventually Dan Boyle (107 Playoff games) ..... We recently saw Kreider come to the aid of MZA, & I think this is just the beginning of "this side" of Kid K we're gonna see.. The guy is a beast.. Malone seems to goes wherever he wants to on the ice, he picks a destination and its his.. Glass keeps his legs moving, seems willing to hit anything, so the opposition has to skate with their head up.. Kevin Hayes, 6'5" 225 he turned 22 in may (probably going to fill into his body some) and he's still wearing his NHL training diaper.. The kid is going to be menacing... Then there's JTMiller, okay, a slowish start no highlight reel plays out of the guy, give him a chance, this kid will play the body, and he's intense.. I bet he's a little "du se' bots" upstairs.. Bottom line, this team aint going to get pushed around for too long regardless of Froggy, NY fans won't stand for it, I don't think Sather will either....... jmho naturally

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:22 pm EST

Just trying to post something of interest Stevie. You should try it sometime!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:20 pm EST

Nick- While I appreciate your pessimism and understand how any fan could be squeamish after the past three losses, I gotta say...if you watched last season's progress, we are MILES a head of that...Last season at this time, this team was a unmitigated TRAINWRECK. The whole team sucked...lots(including myself) blamed it on the crazy pre-season schedule...roster turnover...new coach...et cetera... but now that I'm seeing them play this year, I'm realizing that this is the MO with AV's system...the guy plays a crazy up-tempo game and unless you have players firing on all six cylinders, you're going to have breakdowns...All three losses started out with some pretty dominant play by the Rangers in the first...especially against the Isles...then midway through, the wheels come off the bus...why? because these guys aren't honed or toned enough to play that kind of game for three periods. The breakdowns are stupid mental mistakes...and one begets another, which begets another...I don't care what you say, this is a GOOD team...one of the best in the east...having HANK in net automatically gets you to the playoffs in most cases...it takes a special moron to miss them with that guy back there...having McDONAGH, GIRARDI and STAAL as your top three defensemen gives you one of the toughest bluelines in the east...and then, if in fact Rick NASH got that off-season surgery to extract his head from his ass...well....look the F out. Duclair? Miller? Malone? Hell, these are support players...Rangers are a deep team with a very competent AHL team for once...probably the first time in years...the two knocks you can make on this team are its strength up the middle and its toughness...and frankly both of those things are subjective.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:57 pm EST

did veenyo serve ice cream after practice today, or milk and cookies? ...that's nice......

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:49 pm EST

AV said theyve been getting caught on wrong side of puck, a correctable thing. Have to have some faith on that if only because 5 of the 6 D did it very well for the better part of 100+ games last year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:55 pm EST

Wonderful, Leo.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:51 pm EST

Now that Zucc has been successfully targeted and injured, how soon before someone takes a run at the guy who so far has scored half of our goals this year? How's that for pessimism? :)

LeoS


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:15 pm EST

Hospo, I'm off my game a bit (as is the squad). Back from Las Vegas a few days ago. Had I stopped 'gaming' the afternoon of my last day, I'd have left fifty bucks up for the week. I didn't stop. It didn't end well. Anyway ... we have some good guys and I'm a K-Man fan. Just thin in my view. But we'll be in the hunt. At least we don't have the Flyer sked this month ... it's killer and gee, I feel bad for them ...

Nick


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:10 pm EST

Yeah I know JFC. But he didnt even mention our new captain crumbling under the weight or our coach's newfound penchant for cluelessness! Thats alll before our goalie, if thats what you call what hes been doing. They have to give him another $60m to play good this year? ;)

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:47 pm EST

RR -- that's Nick's all important job on The Wall....keeping us all grounded....and he's been doing it very well for a loooong time! :^)

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:45 pm EST

td -- i appreciate your counterpoints and it's definitely not a slam dunk that Duke stays. My odds of him making this move permanent are certainly much higher than yours. Look again at Diclair's icetime... it's been moving up each game, and he has been in the top 3 in icetime for forwards the past 2 games. Time will tell. We'll see how he handles his 1st inevitable 'off' game when that comes, and/or subsequent seat in the stands. That's important, too.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:40 pm EST

I can dig it Vic. Thats basically last years but revamped, Malone in for Puliot, etc. Either are better than what AVs thrown together to date.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:35 pm EST

Why reach to be pessimistic Nick? Kostkas not really on this team. Neither is JT I dont think when alls said & done. But Malones had a heckuva career. Hes healthy, happy, motivated. Looked menacing to me last night. I like realism more than blind optimism, but I love this team healthy. I really like these kids too. Any teams got problems it loses its No. 1C, PP QB, etc.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:30 pm EST

C'mon Nick--you can pee better than that! Nothing about the aging and decrepit St' Louis? the vastly over-rated Kreider? the tutu wearing Stepan and Brassard? the Norwegean pipsqueak who has done nothing this year? Nash and his meanigless 6 goals? the broken body of Girardi?

Hospo


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:29 pm EST

RR: My "ideal" lineup is close to yours but a little different based on what we know right now. First line is KREIDER-STEPAN-NASH. Second line is MALONE-BRASSARD-MZA. Third line is DUCLAIR-HAYES-MSL. The fourth line is HAGS-MOORE-STEMPNIAK. I keep MILLER and GLASS with the Rangers and rotating in to give guys a rest and for injured players. MILLER can jump in on the wing or at Center.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:28 pm EST

JFC - I don't think anyone here would dispute DUCLAIR can play in the NHL now...looks comfortable...doesn't look particularly out of place...meshes well with the top-end talent. And yeah, there's always a chance he starts lighting it up so that he gives the Rangers no choice but to keep him in the top-6...but realistically speaking, we're four games into the Duclair experiment...and while we see flashes of what could be, I'm just not seeing anything yet that would sway me toward keeping him much longer than after STEPAN comes back...I guess my three biggest arguments against it are that a kid like that needs to play big minutes...not 12 minutes a night...and he needs to be a leader on the team...Duke isn't getting either of those things now and when Step comes back, they're goals that will be even further out of his reach...he also needs to be stronger...again, granted NELSON is a big dude...but he bulled through Duke's scrambling attempt like he were a pee-wee player trying to back check...Because he's been good with his position, he's been able to compensate for the fact that he's no where near as strong as some of the guys out there...but as time goes on...that's going to be more and more of an issue...and that brings me to numero trois...which is that it's one thing to play 82 games in the QMJHL...it's an entirely different thing to play 82 games in the NHL...I think on Ranger teams of the past, a guy like Duke would be here for 82 simply because they weren't nearly as stacked both at the NHL and AHL level...but with the caliber of players they have between those two leagues, it only makes sense to put the kid where he stands the BEST chance of developing properly...unfortunately, I think that's in the Q...but fortunately, if he comes back soon enough, he's the type of player that could almost single-handedly lead that team to a Memorial Cup...on an aside...I do think AV is putting him in different situations to get a good handle of what he can do...I'm not, however, convinced that he sees Duke sticking around as a flank for MSL and NASH...as he showed last year, AV basically uses the first month of the season as an extended camp. It's why MILLER and FAST stuck around for a while last season before getting assigned to Hartford...and I think that's the case again with FAST...definitely Duclair...Miller, I think his place is here or outside the organization.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:26 pm EST

JFC: Yes, those are the line conbos I see after Step gets back, with Miller either sent down, traded or - more likely - being a black ace along with Glass.

Ranger47


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:23 pm EST

SOMEONE has to pee in the already-befouled Cheerios here. I shall step up. The overrating of this squad continues apace. Half of these guys are reclamation projects, rookies and never-wases like the Hags (or, "Trade Bait" as I like to call him). I mean come on: Ryan Malone? JT Miller? A 19-year-old junior with flashes? D-man depth that gets exposed when one guy gets hurt and we come out there with Hunwick and Kostka? Hey I'm all for bringing up Jessim .. er, McIlrath ... but really gang! Another scuffle for eighth and hope we catch fire! Fine by me, actually, after 1997-2005.

Nick


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:42 pm EST

Yup. But its getting way ahead of ourselves, for a few reasons. Duclair not only hasnt scored his first NHL goal, but the assumption would be he could maintain production thru 78 more games + POs. And if Hayes, with only 2 NHL games, proves a good 35-40 pt center, it lessens the need to rip key guys out for a Jumbo type. If if if.... I for one would be way leery of moving Hags after how he stepped up last year. Time will tell I guess.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:36 pm EST

Glad it's the same lines in practice today..I swa some good things and some chemistry from all four lines last night (but not consistenty)....Still, The lines generating offense wasn't the problem last night...The forwards working together with the D was, and the team defense was, especially in the late 2nd and third...We all get caught up in the individual players, our pets, our whipping boys, but it's all about putting the best TEAM out there which isn't always the same as the 12 best forwards (up front)...Hopefully, with the only change being kostka, there will be a little bit more stability on Thursday after a few TEAM practices..And it will help that it will be CAROLINA!!

Hospo


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:28 pm EST

RR -- I would definitely want Malone to stick in this lineup somewhere. Those lines do look pretty good, but, as you said, not physical. Stemp has been a very nice surprise indeed....could make him a trade chip. I also think Hag is aguy who would attract alot of interest from other teams. Not that I'm advocating it, but he's a guy who other teams would want and who could be part of a package for a guy like Thornton. As I said, if he impresses enough to make it obvious that he'll simply be wasted in the Q, they will make room for Duke....the only real way to do that is with a trade....which they're going to need at some point regardless in order to shore up the holes.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:23 pm EST

So in other words JFC, imo the best lines you could come up wit if Duke sticks around would be Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, Duclair-Stepan-Nash, Malone-Hayes-St Louis, Hagelin-Moore-Stempniak. That's a deep team. You could always swap Hags & Malone, but I don't see how it fits much better. And just a word on Stempniak; someone called him a puckhound before. Man, there was a sequence last night where he just wouldn't not stop,a total pit bull on the puck. Great stuff from him so far.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:16 pm EST

Brandon PIRRI, a kid I've always liked since he was with RPI and then the Chicago organization, has been scratched in three consecutive games by the hapless Panthers. The Hawks traded him for a third and fifth rounder...I bet the Panthers would probably deal him for less at this point...He'd be a good pickup to fill in the void at center, especially considering that we have another six games AT LEAST without STEPAN.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:13 pm EST

Yeah JFC, I don't want to see him going back to play against high schoolers either. The A would be a perfect fallback but is u/a, so IDK what happens. One way I could see it working out without a trade is essentially moving people back, and a guy like Glass to the press box ( though we badly need the muscle). If Malone became a 3rd/4th liner, maybe. But Duclair is a scorer, period. He either would have to supplant one of Zuc, Kreids, Nash MSL - NONE of whom I see being traded - or settle in top 9 with Hags-Malone-Stempniak all 3rd-4th liners.OR MSL has to be a 3rd liner, which I think he should be anyway. If so thats a deep and damn good-looking lineup, if a little light. But it also means no one else gets a shot barring injury, not Haggerty, Fast, no one. We'll see.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 11:54 am EST

RR -- I agree with what you and td and others are pointing out regarding the numbers game....they do have an effect on Duclair's viability on this team. However, we shouldn't discount the possibility of him playing so well that AV becomes dead set on keeping him. The same way they made a 2-for-1 trade to open up space at the start of the season, Duclair's possible emergence as a top-9 winger on this team might just set off a BIG trade for something we need (center?) that would involve enough starters going the other way to open up a permanent spot for The Duke. I posted when the season started that a big trade would come after a 15-20 game evaluation by AV and I still think that's a good possibility. It could come down to the Rangers simply thinking it would be a waste to send him back to juniors, which is what I think. He's 19 years old, he's had enough ice time in his life to not need more just for the sake of icetime. He shreds the talent in the Q already....I honestly thinkthat his development will stagnate if he spends another year there whereas he will actually improve up here. If the Rangers think the same thing, they will do something to make room for him.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 11:29 am EST

Same lines at practice. Hunwick is with Staal. Did something happen with Kostka? Lol

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 11:25 am EST

I'm right where I have been on Duclair, that they gave him this look to hopefully make up for some of Stepan's lost offense. AV said he'll have to play top 9 to stick. And while he hasn't done anything to hurt himself, who does he move out from among the six wings on the first three lines? Nash, Zuc, Kreider, MsL, Stempniak, Hagelin? Thats six, and Malone absolutely must be in there IMO,' making it 7. The kid has true high-end skill, makes plays at top speed with great touch, anticipation and good vision. All the little things you want to see offensively, passing over sticks, leading teammates properly, getting open, are there. As I think TD said, maybe this glimpse followed by juniors and the Memorial Cup and then rejoining us for the playoffs would be best for everyone. I'd like to see his kid about 10lbs heavier and then LOCKED into a Top 6 role. But I just don't see that spot opening until St Louis is gone next year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 10:54 am EST

That should have read "I'm NOT saying DUCLAIR can't play...."

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 10:53 am EST

JFC: I'm saying DUCLAIR can't play. Far from it. In fact, I have no doubt that he could play in the top 9 for this team this year. He doesn't look like a 1st line player to me right now though. If the Rangers feel like he should be with the team this year so be it. I won't complain. However, would it be better for DUCLAIR in the long run to play a more meaningful role in Juniors and at the WJC? RR: Yeah, watching HAYES reminds me of Big Bird on skates but he gets where he needs to go and keeps up with the play. Like I said, though, he needs to work on his quickness and his first step. I have to believe that he is or has been working with a power skating coach. If not, he should.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 10:45 am EST

York - Give it a rest. Different players. Different circumstances. Are you just looking to pick a fight? I'm not biting. Go back and read what I've written. I don't need to rehash it here, especially given how incorrectly you're characterizing everything I've said about both players.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:58 am EST

JFC, lost post (dammit), will try again. Once in preseason Hags had the warp speed going, looked quicker than ever to me. But yeah, he's been real flat since. Don't know if something's nagging him, but it was same last year, he didn't explode till around Xmas. He really suffers w/o that top gear, which is why I'd back him up and slide Malone in. And Poo? Haha...there he was, taking those offensive zone PIMS last night for EDM. BTW, seeing NYR PP @ 0-11, which I definitely believe. But PK numbers are 3-17. Feels much worse.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:51 am EST

Mats Zuccarello told BT in Norway that the Islanders were a “bit lucky” last night since the Rangers gave them some easy goals. Zuccarello said that it’s bothersome to lose like that when the team feels they are playing well. (BT) Zuccarello said that the Rangers started badly last year so they can look back on their experience with that but added, “we have to get out of the swamp rather quickly.” (BT) Asked about his return to the lineup, where he played 16:22, was a minus one, 1 shot on goal, 2 shots that were blocked, 1 takeaway and one hit, Zuccarello said that his shoulder was no excuse and that other players are playing hurt as well. (BT)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:39 am EST

Something that I notice this year about Hags....not once has he looked FAST....not once. He has not pulkled away from any checker, he has not beat people wide.....he just doesn't look like the speedster that I've grown used to seeing.... that , "wow, is he fast" kind of play has been non-existent so far and I wonder why? Mismatches with line talent? BTW, speaking of lines, last season AV put together Zucc/Brass/Poo in preseason and carried it through into regular season. After just a game or two, he broke up the line, only to reconstitute it later in the season. I'm guessing that the same thing will happen with Brass-Zucc.....the other line mate is the only question outstanding.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:34 am EST

Unsung best player so far, for me, has been Stempniak. He hustles and is a puckhawk. Throws the body and has very good speed. Pleasant surprise amongst the misery.

DCIGolfer


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:22 am EST

Vic, glad you described that Hayes play so I didn't have to. He didn't waste the opportunity is right, its the second best option after you pass up the shot, that's the sign of a mature offensive player. I too watched the players around him and they're not catching him. Long lanky bit awkward stride but he's getting where he needs to go. He had a great point blank chance late and I think tried to beat Halak 5-hole, Not a bad idea as he'd stopped everything else. That's all I want from these kids, play your game with out squeezing the stick too tight.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:15 am EST

MFer's is not a term to be used casually. :-)

mf


Wed Oct 15 2014 9:05 am EST

Whats with the bed shitting metaphors all the time? Get some new material, nasty MFers.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:40 am EST

The only person who is gonna determine Duclair's ultimate destination is AV....and IMO the way he is using Duclair indicates that he WANTS the kid to stick....he's giving him every chance to succeed and he is not disappointing. Duclair fits very comfortably with first line talent...all 3 of his assists have been PRIMARY. His ability to play top 6 gives AV so many more options to maximize the wing talent on the other 3 lines. IMO, all signs point to AV keeping him, but my opinion means nothing. The proof will be provided by AV and Duclair.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:38 am EST

TD when duke makes one mistake it's damning but miller makes tons and it's never his fault and he should be given top line? Like I said take the blinders off already

York18


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:36 am EST

JFC - The flipside is that he'll learn bad habits from the vets...whether that was his man or not, he literally WATCHED Nelson bull his way into the crease without even taking a stride before it was too late...I will give him credit: despite doing nothing until it was too late, he STILL almost caught up with Nelson...which brings up another problem...He DID get a stick on Nelson's stick, and Nelson basically shot right through it and scored anyway...kid needs some upper body strength...and FWIW, Duke has racked up a sizable amount of time on the PP and as of last night, was on the top line...of course his +/- is going to be positive...My point with him is that he can't be in the top six when STEPAN comes back...and that's the only place he's really going to help these Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:28 am EST

Another point in Duclair's favor is that, on a team that is 1-3, he is a +4. On the goal last night that Duclair was on the ice for, the guy who was lax in defensive coverage was MSL, not Duclair. Brock Nelson is a center and that guy should be MSL's responsibility. Either way, overall, there is no denying that Duclair's positive contributions to this team so far have waaaay outweighed the mistakes he has made....mistakes which are part of the maturation process. The same mistakes in coverage are being made by VETS on this team...why should Duclair's be seen as a possible reason for him to be sent to an inferior league for a season, WJC's or no WLC's....it's not even close to being NHL. He'll learn from his mistakes and get BETTER, wheras in Jrs. there will be very few mistakes he can make that his speed and talent won't erase....he won't learn a damn thing in the Q, IMO.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:28 am EST

JFC - C'mon man...If you're gonna laud DUCLAIR, you also have to see his warts...he made some good plays...great ones if you consider that he's 19...but the reality is, he made at least one big stinker, which lead to what was ultimately the GWG. Now in his defense, he wasn't the only one that left a nice brown skid mark on the bed...STAAL and MOORE let the whole play develop...but Duclair literally watched NELSON take three strides towards the net before he turned the jets on to try to lift his stick...Now it's a rookie mistake...a subtle one too...but what concerns me is that it's one I see his linemate last night make ALL THE TIME...NASH loves to cruise back into the zone and loaf around by the top of the circle...it's by design in part, because if a rebound comes flying out, he'll be there for an odd-man-rush...but on this team, it's not the right play...and Duke, for whatever he did right last night, that one wrong was damning...and Vic is right...at 5-on-5, he WAS invisible for most of the game...this is despite being paired with the two most potent offensive players on the team...Kid is good. Kid could be better. Kid SHOULD be in the AHL...but that not being possible, he needs to go back to juniors.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:22 am EST

Good

wenner


Wed Oct 15 2014 8:08 am EST

Vic -- gotta disagree with you regarding Duclair being "invisible" most of the game....he was dynamic on the PP and took several wicked wristers that Halak had to make great saves on. He is actually doing really well on the boards and is able to control the puck by spinning away from checkers. There were several times last night when he was open for passes but St. Louis did not pass to him....one time in particular, MSL shot and I thought it was a selfish play on his part. Unless he suddenly falls off a cliff performance-wise, he's going to stick. He's on the 1st PP unit and the 1st line...why would AV put him there and then send him back to Jrs? He would be absolutely wasted in the Q....up here, he is rising to the challenge and his development will be exponentially quicker playing against NHL talent. In the Q, he will not advance at all. Not only is the Duke not hurting this team, he is helping and playing an integral role. There's no reason at all to send him back, IMO.

JFC31


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:48 am EST

be nice to have a pp goal instead of none....great job by arneil sully imitation.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:36 am EST

BTW, the excuses I'm hearing for the Rangers chaotic start is because of all the new players (2 defensemen and 4 forwards). The Islanders have the same number of new players, including 1/2 of their defense. Therefore, I don't buy it. This is on the players (save for a precious few who are playing well) and especially on AV. Get your acts together ya nobs!

RF4L


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:31 am EST

Rangers, after their latest debacle, are now 26th overall in the league. Nice. Wonder if Stevie Y has his fingers crossed.

RF4L


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:22 am EST

On HAYES, another good game in my book. I saw what I wanted to see from him last night. I wanted to see him settle down a bit and play a more relaxed and confident game in his second game and he didn't disappoint in that respect. He is tremendous with the puck. He made at least 10 to 12 really nifty passes last night. I'm talking about passes through defenders that hit guys in stride. More importantly they were short, touch passes. If you noticed that line spent a lot of time in the offensive zone. They did so because their Center wasn't trying to hit 60 foot stretch passes every time he got the puck. Instead he was making short passes to guys on the move and they were attacking in numbers. His ability with the puck at this level is really amazing. I believe he will be this team's #1 center soon. If not next year then by the year after. I know some are on him for not shooting on the rush when he had a chance. I thought he should of as well but I was more impressed by what he did after he didn't shoot on the second one. Instead of throwing the puck blindly into the slot or at the net he maintained control of the puck and kept possession. He took the puck behind and around the net and hit an open D coming into the zone. The Rangers ended up with a very high quality chance and stayed in the zone for 30 seconds after he didn't shoot. Smart and calm. On his skating, don't get sucked in watching him skate. Instead, pick a reference player on the ice near him. Watch that guy and keep and eye on HAYES out of the corner of your eye. HAYES has no trouble keeping up with the play. He needs to develop more quickness but he doesn't have a problem with speed. Now, he needs to keep getting better period after period. He needs to keep building confidence. If he can do that over the next 10 games I would say the Rangers have found their #3 Center for the season.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 7:13 am EST

On the forwards. I love DUCLAIR and was one of the most vocal here to give him a chance to show what he can do. He has looked great at times but at this rate I would send him back to Juniors. I know some of you are saying "Are you nuts"???? My feeling is that if DUCLAIR stepped in and was a dominant force then he should stay. This team really doesn't need him to stick on the wing right now. They have enough depth at wing and probably two players that can step into the lineup right now (HAGGERTY and HRIVIK). DUCLAIR was mostly invisible last night until that great pass to NASH at the end. Playing on the top line with NASH and MSL he didn't look nearly as good as KREIDER does in that spot. On KREIDER, he needs to be on the #1 line. Yes, he made a great play on the goal but he looked disjointed and out of place with BRASSARD. I HATE HATE HATE MSL at Center. It was clearly a mistake when it was tried and yet AV keeps rolling it out game after game. MAKE IT STOP! I don't know what you were watching OLA but MALONE looked great to me. Played well along the boards and in front. Played physical and a bit nasty at times. Drew a penalty and had some scoring chances while playing on the 4th line and on his off wing. He needs to be put with BRASSARD and MZA and left alone for 20 games. Unfortunately COACH STUBBORN refuses to put together that combination together. Why??? Is it because everyone else sees it as ridiculously obvious? Not sure why some are down on GLASS. His role is to be a 4th line energy player who hits, plays good D and brings toughness when needed. He is doing his job. I know when the team is struggling it is a tendency for people to look up and down the lineup and get on guys that aren't scoring or making a difference in the offensive end. I refuse to do that. The onus for scoring is on the first 3 lines. More specifically, the first two but in AV's system the first 3 are counted on for offense. MZA has been a disappointment so far. BRASSARD is supposed to be a playmaker and not a finisher. He isn't making anyone around him better right now. KREIDER was the playmaker on that line last night and while KREIDER is a really good passer it isn't what you want him doing as his primary role. That negates the physical things he can bring to the game.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:56 am EST

Now that the KOSTKA era has come and gone (in 1 game) I'm really hoping that DM gets the call. This team so needs a menacing, crease clearing, stay at home D like him. From what I've seen so far HUNWICK should be in over KLEIN and MOORE. I'm willing to give ALLEN a chance as well. AV isn't going to make drastic changes so I guess the point is moot. I really don't want to see anyone making the excuse that they have kids in the lineup so they aren't playing well defensively. That is BS. The Vets on this team are some of the worst offenders in terms of coverage mistakes, poor decision making and sloppy play. McDONAGH and GIRARDI have played like crap in the last two games. HANK isn't playing awful but he his last two games haven't been his best either. He has made some good saves but he hasn't bailed out his team when they needed it most. That is unfair as hell to pin on him, of course, but for this team to win he has to make those unreal saves at critical times. He hasn't been able to do that the last two games and he has been the victim of some bad bounces as well. That isn't going to help his frame of mind or confidence because I'm sure he is getting that feeling that no matter what he does something bizarre is going to happen and the puck will be behind him. I'm not too worried about HANK. We've seen this in the past and his game will come around when it matters most.

Vic


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:42 am EST

One thing thats becoming obvious is theyre missing Brian Boyle on the PK. That giant octopus at the blueline disrupted plays & blocked a load of shots that are getting through and going in, rebounds or not. Ill add up the ST numbers later. Right now I just know theyre not good and theyrere skewing the score (and the perceptions a bit). Otherwise I look at last night as when they started getting the forward ranks straightened out, significant improvement there.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:31 am EST

York he has his wagon hitched to jt jitters...and nash is not cooperating......I could care less about jitters, slow fast, gabby hayes, and duke éclair et al .....they get their chances again, but this is not the time or place unless they prove it...time is not on their side........bring up new experiments, while putting lines back together, and just replacing stepan, Richards, and d boyle.....find a center for nash and kid k, find a winger for brass and bazooka, find a center for hag and st Louis, glass moore and Malone should be ok.....I want big mac with moore or hunwick, what veenyo does with c mcd, girlie, stall, and calvin Kline is another experiment.....and put the prince in on Thursday .....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 6:06 am EST

TD what are you talking about? Miller was horrible last night I saw him twice pas the popcorn in the press box dropping the bag sather told him to follow one of the isles players to see what they were going to eat and he lost his man and when he came back with hot dogs he forgot the mustard horrible game by him can't even get being benched right and instead of watching the game he was playing nintendo ds. The team sucks right now but millet has shown zero during that time hasn't even used the body the excuse wagon is full for him. Jerked around? He's not being jerked around wing takes less thinking it's not jerking him around it's allowing him to settle down........last night was a disaster kostagoal sucks send him down Mack should get the call up he is better than that and will hit and fight. Klein is also nothing special and Mack can't do worse. I said it when he came here jmoore is nothing special great skater ends there. AV better stop the we will lose using my system adjust for the love of god. The d is lost out there use a zone and let them settle down. Nash will score 50 as I said before the season started he is on a mission. Stepan is important to this team and it shows and Boyle as well to head man the puck. Hayes showed me more last night than jitters has. Duclair is a great story but he losses his man at least once a game for a goal or a huge scoring chance has to stop. Glass this guy has shown me nothing since coming here. Malone is going to do his thing give him a couple games.

York18


Wed Oct 15 2014 5:30 am EST

mistakes are being made by the coach, and the players respond in kind......kostka didn't belong with staal, bazookerella belongs with brassard, Malone is a lot better than fast, ...the rest are ideas by the coach and decisions that aren't working....hank should not be in Thursday, but probably will......and the players starting with the captain should stop talking, and start doing.....nash would be the whipping post, but he has done his job....most of the rest are the posts.....if the coach can't get his act together, then he can't expect his players to.......it's going to be a long and painful first 20 games......unless mistakes are corrected by non mistakes not more mistakes......stepan and boyle's replacements are where it started, and the ripple is a wave.....solutions are getting harder to find.....hang 10......or 20.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 15 2014 2:38 am EST

tdchi- Kevin Klein is more or less forced to substitute for Anton Stralman, and I mean he just don't even remotely move the puck as well as AS did. We have subbed Stralman with Hunqick/Kostka or Klein lately and it shows how PMDs really are a weak spot for us. Many say that we played well for 2 periods last night, truth to be told -- did the Islanders play well against us during those 2 periods? Not IMO. We matched the Islanders game during 2 periods where you can question if they showed up... I counted numerous sloppy passess from our Ds that a good team would have made us pay for at least in terms of lost momentum.

Ola


Wed Oct 15 2014 1:09 am EST

As for the game, this team is showing that it needs to really develop some intestinal fortitude...there was actually two INCREDIBLE periods of hockey out of the team...But they simply weren't enough to compensate for all the f@ck-ups...And while it's easy to pin things on KOSTKA, the reality is, only two of those six goals were his fault...put BOYLE in that game and it might have ended 6-4 or 6-5...But it still would've been a loss...first up, the Marty ST. LOUIS-in-the-center experiment has got to end. Sorry, but there's just no reason to have this guy in the middle...better on the wing...better to have someone who can take faceoffs in the middle...better to let him stay on the wing, where he can score and distribute the puck...HAYES looked good...still needs work, but you can see he's starting to come on at center...on NASH...who knew the only thing the Rangers needed to do to get him to start scoring again was to string together a bunch of losses? Anyway, good for him. Like I said, I'd love him to prove me wrong...St. DUCLAIR looked OK...made a nice pass on one goal...but he also let his man go and it lead to a goal...I wouldn't say he's solidified his spot on this team quite yet. Promising, yes. A lock? No...Another guy who is starting to really grate on me is KLEIN...he's strung together a nice succession of garbage games...tonight's was no different...MALONE...What I do with him is throw him in for GLASS...Tanner isn't nearly the disaster I envisioned him being, but he just doesn't bring enough to the table to maintain a spot in the lineup...reminds me a bit of a larger, more physical Darrell POWE...zero offense, good player...but just not enough...And this business with Hank sucking...c'mon people...all goalies suck when they get hung out to dry like he was on just about every goal last night...Agree with the notion McILRATH couldn't do any worse...and if I were AV, I swap him in...swap Malone for Glass and get MILLER back in at center. Makes the team faster, tougher and better all around.

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:54 am EST

Malone did fine in the role he was in. But guys come on, he has been a huge passanger so far every time he has hit the ice. Especially in pre-season. A lot of players need to do a lot of extra work to get a unit with Malone on it to work. If they can do that, Malones hands around the net will come to use. But I am not sure if thats optimal in the situation we are in.

Ola


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:54 am EST

Man, was I wrong about MILLER...he sure blew that game...we should trade him...oh wait...that's right...he didn't play...

tdchi


Wed Oct 15 2014 12:50 am EST

NYStranger- Yeah. Also, the collapse in the 3rd period is one thing. Thats one for the headlines. BUT, we also in period 1 AND period 2 give up a lead. We were a team that really needed pts last night. Very rarely does a solid team in big need of pts give up a lead TWICE in this league. That bugs me a lot.

Ola


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:56 pm EST

John Moore had 6 hits tonight

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:32 pm EST

This has been a shitty start. But we do have several rookies, new faces, and many guys playing out of position due to injuries. AV's system seems to take a while with these characters. I really hope not too long and the hole becomes deep early! I gotta sit tight and see how this team gels, give it some time. They looked a hell of a lot better for the first two periods tonight than most of the previous 3games, even the win. Just pulled a classic Ranger move of making the opposing goalie look like a lock for the Vesina. I think they get it together in the next few. Am I happy? Not at all. Am I totally freaking out? Hell no.

NYStranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:21 pm EST

Hospo: I'm in total agreement that Hayes would benefit from top line minutes in the AHL. However, the kid is not playing tense, he needs to shoot when he has the shot, and he has the size where he probably isnt intimidated too easily..(For some reason he reminds me a little of Holik, better hands though.. This kid is "long & strong" as opposed to "long & lanky," & still may be filling out) As for JTMiller, I'm in the camp of putting him on the wing & let him do his thing. Play physical, take the body, keep it simple, be patient with him.. (no trades tonight) I like Hagelin on the 3rd & 4th line wings too, i think he's best suited there but can be moved up where & when needed.. This team must pull together defensively, they will.. We really need John Moore to put it all together and grow into a solid all around defender... ULF are you reading?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:11 pm EST

Glass & Hagelin are -4 & -5 with zero points... I'd consider Hagelin on 4th line RW considering to balance out the size on the lines a bit.

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:09 pm EST

RABID/MF - Personally, I'm not ready to concede a spot to HAYES nor give up on MILLLER nor assume DUCLAIR is being sent down after 4 games filled with chaos....... The problem is, you don't need just 12, you need 14-15..It's a long injury filled season..The Rangers aren't perfect, but thay have the talent and bodies...what they don't have yet, due to AV and some injuries, is stability and chemistry

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:01 pm EST

I'm with ya MF. Long year still but solid group tonight upfront. Best theyve looked. Pop Boyle back in & everybody settles down itll be ok. Do we have a PP goal yet? Our PK, as noted, is killin us. Oh, and Hayes also reminds me of Ryane Smyth. Vic I think it was said Hayes was sjowing signs. I didnt really see it till tonight. Even a loss to Isles pales compared to finding a young 6-5 forward.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:58 pm EST

Check this out: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?navid=nav-sts-indiv#

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:49 pm EST

well if DuClaw gets sent to Jr's when Stepan comes back, and Hayes displaces Miller to the AHL, the top 12 are in no particular order: Kreider, Stepan, Nash, Stemp, Brass, MSL, Malone, Hayes, MZA, Glass, Moore, Hagelin...... If all are healthy, this is pretty much the group I'd take into the battle....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:37 pm EST

He looks like Gresch, Hospo. The no. 13 is still throwing me for a loop though. And that composure is the difference between he & JT right now. Just God plz kid, can the aw shucks unselfish shit and fire the puck. We've already got a Stepan who wont shoot. A- game for the kid. Impressive. Duclair Im no longer sure on. Something's missing.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:18 pm EST

No sense pouring any more dirt on the grave of Kostka...I'll deal with the guys that matter...Starting with the Captain..What the hell has happened to him? Shitty and selfish, set the tone for the entire D..Staal following suit into suckdom...The rest not far behind.....As a team, there is little chemisty between the D and forwards....And that all lies at the feet of AV....Some of the lines are showing chemistry offensively but it's like nobody gives a damn about the rest of the game, especially team defense.....Love the way Nash is playing, my 35 goal forecast is gonna be way low!! Some good things from Duclair....and Malone....who adds so damn much...and Glass...Finally, I have to comment on HAYES given my previous comments...The best I've seen him look so far.....Other games I saw him, he always did something very noticeable offensively butstruggled otherwise.....Tonightt, I thought had he had a few fantastic shifts and looked dangerous offensively on most shifts...Watching him carry the puck with the long reach and taking his time..The Kid is gonna be a good......trying to think who he reminds me of...I still question his all around game and physical maturity and still believe some AHL wquld behoove him but, for now, he means JT and JASPER WHO?

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:15 pm EST

As impressive as St. Louis has been in the middle, I think that experiment has to end. He needs to go back on the wing, potentially with Zuccarello and Brassard. Maybe give Hayes a chance with Nash and Duclair. Duclair-Hayes-Nash, Zuccarello-Brassard-St. Louis, Kreider-Miller-Hagelin, Malone-Moore-Stempniak. As much as I would like to keep Glass in the lineup right now, we just have a glut of good wingers and someone would need to take a seat as Miller needs another chance. I don't think we are at that point where it is time to start dealing for Thornton. I think a solid move for a dman would be good (if there is a move out there to be made). But knee-jerk reactions will come back to bite us later.

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:15 pm EST

BTW, Dregar speculating that E Staal would cost the Leafs, who are apparently interested, something like a first, Bozek and Gardiner. That translates to Brazzard, Hagelin and someone like Skeji I reckon. If so I think I'll pass...

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:11 pm EST

evets: And if missing the POs results in Tampa winning the McDavid sweepstakes, Sather's wrinkled and incompetent ass should be canned, too. Violently.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:10 pm EST

I cant go nuts. Rangers gave up very little, way betterreads in D zone for two periods, had the middle locked mostly. Couldve been up 4-1 easy except for Halekemwhatever. A guy who shouldnt even be playing giftwrapped one, and they unraveled. Hank is flat out not reacting to some shots, IDK why. AV hotseat? Cmon. 5-yr deal, he could lose 10 more like this, he'll still be NYR coach. Try watching that with a bunch if Islander fans in suffolk county if you wanna complain. THAT sucked.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:07 pm EST

ilya... I'm pretty sure that at this point, AV is as far from the hot seat as you can be. The Rangers had a rough start last year and went to the Stanley Cup finals. Now, if the Rangers miss the playoffs and have a rough start next year, then AV could be facing the ax...

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:59 pm EST

If this continues those kind of performances , im talking about few more games like this could AV feel some heat, hot seat ?

ilya


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:55 pm EST

Gotta admit, I found the insertion back into the regular turns Koska after his ridiculous (and forecastable) gaffes both astounding and amusing). My take? AV have given up on the game.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:53 pm EST

I am not liking the coach very much right now...he's as much to blame as anyone else for this embarrassing start. There's really only a single positive and that's Nash's start. Everything else is x degrees of negative. Sather SUCKS!

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:50 pm EST

5 unanswered against, again. What a habit to develop. Malone excellent like everyone but AV thought. Hayes plays like that, might be only center we need is Stepan.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:36 pm EST

Glad I had to bail for a work meeting at 2-1 Rangers.

Bob


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:34 pm EST

I think Glass has been a very positive player for this team. I think St. Louis has been pretty disappointing offensively. Let's start the Brassard+Hagelin for Thornton talk. I'll even throw in Zuccarello for Braun or Demers. Imagine how great Nash, who is scoring like he did back in Columbus and inserting his buddy Thornton.

Higgy21


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:22 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/14/rangers-ravaged-by-rival-islanders-in-msg-beatdown/

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:19 pm EST

Not a perfect solution, but I would shift Moore up with Staal and bring up Allen to play with Klein.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:06 pm EST

Rhet...Moore can skate but what offense does he really provide?.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:05 pm EST

Well that was a kick in the koska. I heard an interview with av and he was sure it was gonna take some games to figure out personnel. I'm sure all the injuries aren't helping. There's allot of positives on the roster by game 20.they will turn it around.

barto


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:05 pm EST

Well that was a kick in the koska. I heard an interview with av and he was sure it was gonna take some games to figure out personnel. I'm sure all the injuries aren't helping. There's allot of positives on the roster by game 20.they will turn it around.

barto


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:48 pm EST

Evets.... I thought Moore has been better for much of the last 2 games. The other problem with him is that we don't have anything to replace him with. All we have in the pipeline is more shutdown defensemen. He is one of the few offensive options we have for AV's system.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:47 pm EST

PJ ..if he doesn't play Malone he is a fool !

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:44 pm EST

Why am I afraid AV won't keep playing Malone?....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:43 pm EST

I'm not sure what the answer is here. Maybe it's time to use Miller and some other pieces to get a steady defenseman. Also, watching John Moore these last few games, it doesn't seem like he is going to be any more than a #6 dman. However, they won't trade him because of his low salary at this point. Kostka's got to go back down and Fast should go down as well. Perhaps Connor Allen and McIlrath should get a shot with Klein moving up to play with Staal.

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:42 pm EST

The positives.... We looked really strong for 2 periods. I expect Malone to play every game for the rest of the season. I also expect Kostka to be gone and never heard from again :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:42 pm EST

Mess....Agreed on the Blues moving Halak....Miller was not the answer....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:41 pm EST

caperanger: not one defenseman made your positives list

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:40 pm EST

This Fishstick team forced the turnovers, me thinks they're through being Cellar Dwellars....... It's time to bring up McIlrath and let him develop some confidence with the big boys.... Me thinks AV needs to coach to the personality of this roster & play to their strengths.. It's still early, but we're giving up 4.75 GPG's, can't win that way, even the CJC knows that. :-)

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:40 pm EST

The positives : N,ash , St. Louis ( plays like a 20 yr old) , Duclair , Hayes , Malone , Stempniak the negatives : everyone else

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:39 pm EST

i don't think this years swoon will last as long as last seasons.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:39 pm EST

Said it the night it happened, and I will say it again- Blues moving Halak for Miller was a blunder of epic proportions

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:38 pm EST

Hank 2013 redux

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:37 pm EST

You know skinny jeans is seething.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:36 pm EST

Mood if he wasn't he'd be getting the blame for this mess

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:36 pm EST

Duclair almost looked like Marty on that pass. A lot of poise there. This kid ain't going back to junior.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:35 pm EST

Nash catches fire and our D falls completely apart....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:35 pm EST

RICK NASH!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:34 pm EST

MathLegs: now Nash is back to a 123 goal pace

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:33 pm EST

So me Veenyo when is Big Mac getting called up? This team needs gonads.... Hank needs protection and contacts...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:32 pm EST

MF... I agree, but unfortunately, we can't release him unless he refuses to report and it's mutually agreed upon.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:30 pm EST

Again. Diaz didn't want to be a 7th D. He wanted more playing time. Right now, he's at least playing every other game. You can't blame the guy. You can't depend on injuries to happen.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:29 pm EST

Rhet, I don't even want him tying up a contract spot

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:28 pm EST

Diaz is looking better & better... should have kept him, the kid had some wheels

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:26 pm EST

Maybe this is AV's way of saying to Sather, "get me a damn defenseman" Kostka needs to be sent down after the game, Hunwick put back in until we decide on a better option(FA or Rookie).

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:26 pm EST

Hank certainly didn't bail us out but that is some horrific defensive play.....Agree we are terrible in front of our net....Nobody is afraid to go there....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:24 pm EST

Hank is no halak tonight

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:24 pm EST

40 shots on goal , guess that's a positive . However , their goalie stopped the big shots when it counted ...

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:24 pm EST

Rhet...Agreed this is not a rookie that needs a confidence boost....He is 28 for crying out loud....AV needed to limit his time in the third....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:23 pm EST

We are so soft in front of our own net....

RDW


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:22 pm EST

After those first two turnover that led to goals, you could see Sunday crawl back into the Rangers psyche.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:22 pm EST

This game is on AV...he chose to put Kostka in and it kostkad us the game....he should have left Atilla the Hunwick in.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:21 pm EST

6-2.....This is like last year's start....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:19 pm EST

Most of our turnovers have come with Kostka on the ice(DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY). Is AV really this stubborn? It's not like he's a kid with a future.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:18 pm EST

No D at all....Sad....Thought this was a mentally tough team....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:18 pm EST

Just to preempt the moaning of the next few days, Rangers played very well for a long time this game.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

this Ranger defence is scaring the hell out of me....was Anton Stralman that good ?

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

I'll guarantee you that McIlrath would never try a touch pass in front of his own net....TWICE!!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

It's time to call up McIlrath, and if JMoore is suckin wind, pair the big guy with Hunwick... Lastly, half our face off guys need to turn their lower hand around and pull the puck back on the faceoff....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

AV

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:17 pm EST

If A doesn't send him out there for the 3rd period, it's most likely a completely different game right now.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:15 pm EST

What a steaming pile of BS this game is....GARBAGE!!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:14 pm EST

Most species of frogs are nocturnal

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:14 pm EST

soon time for Hank to skate to the bench again

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:13 pm EST

Never fear, Kostka is here.... again.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:13 pm EST

Humiliated by the Fishsticks in our own building....Killing me...

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:12 pm EST

Time fucking out coach sleepy

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

Wow... I'm sitting here laughing. It's absolutely comical what has happened the past two games.

evets1980


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

John Moore a such a joke....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

Was that a KOSTKA ?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:11 pm EST

Say goodnight Gracie.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:10 pm EST

Is goalie interference not a penalty tonight? .... Time out Veenyo

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:10 pm EST

Wow this is awful....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:09 pm EST

The second turnover worse than the first....Now we are letting down....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:06 pm EST

If we lose this game, it's due to one person. AMAZING.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

at a boy , AV , put him out there some more ....why not just leave him on the ice , he'll figure it out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

Ugggghhh.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

He shouldn't see the ice again....a-hole!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:05 pm EST

Rhet; Did he pull a Kostka?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:57 pm EST

Don't Rush sether and veenyo they are making mistakes as fast as they can ... They'll get it right soooon...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:51 pm EST

I've refrained from commenting on Koska because I didn't see how he played last year. I did see how he played the year before that and once the rest of the league caught up to him (because it was the lockout year) what we saw this period is what he was doing more often than not. And remember, in the lockout season, the pace wasn't like it is now. Hopefully, that's it for him. I cannot believe McI wouldn't fare better. In fact, I'm certain he would because he would play it safe with the puck and run guys over no and again.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:48 pm EST

I say Sather needs to make a call to Sami Salo. Even at 50, he has to be better than either of these dimrods we have on this team. He's still sitting at home.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:48 pm EST

the isles are lucky to be coming out of this period tied . Love those 2 kids , Duclair and Hayes ..leave Miller where he is for now . Malone should have been on the ice the last 3 games , AV said he didn't have a spot for him ?? Really ???

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:46 pm EST

Anyone still think Duclair is halfway to Jrs after 4 games? His confidence is increasing, he's taking great shots, he's on the 1st PP unit....he ain't going anywhere. On every shift Malone showing why he should play

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:46 pm EST

AV needs to shorten the bench in the 3rd and only play five D.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:44 pm EST

From this day forward, when a Ranger passes the puck to the opposing team in the defensive zone, it will be known as a KOSTKA..... As in, "he pulled a Kostka"

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:42 pm EST

Friggin' Kostka is already on my sh!t list! He's short-circuited several dominating possessions in the O-zone by shooting wide and out of the zone and then that half-assed giveaway.....screwed the whole period.....dominated the whole period and he gives up that garbage giveaway!

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:42 pm EST

Kostka couldn't make it on the worst defence in hockey , the Leafs, so how is he on the ice for us ?

caperanger


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:39 pm EST

Froggy, they can't handle Malone.....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:39 pm EST

And that ladies and gentlemen is why Kostka sucks.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:39 pm EST

Dickaletti what did tavernas do all summer for the 3rd time? You repeating senile traitor ...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:37 pm EST

Has there been a Zuccarello sighting tonight?

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:34 pm EST

Hayes ran out of real estate too quickly. Should've passed ....Stevie.... He's had some head scratchers but he hasn't been awful... he's been more like Girardi :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:34 pm EST

This Hayes kid is gonna make it tough for JT Miller. Ultimately is good for the team..

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:29 pm EST

Captain not looking good ... Passing up shots on pp...

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:27 pm EST

Malone sits the for 3 games but he's been on the 1st PP unit.. What's up Froggy, je ne comprends

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:22 pm EST

Attention: AV...... Ryan Malone..... DUH.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:15 pm EST

Kreider is very much a factor tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:09 pm EST

PJ; Agree on getting McI in there. A dynamic we need on D. Boy Stemp is relentless. Keep it up.

stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:00 pm EST

MCI can't get a look but this bum Kostka is in there....The guy sucks....Stay out of the damn box and we are fine....Killing our momentum....McD not looking like McD......

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:59 pm EST

Rangers were moving their feet and showing intensity that period. They need to stay out of the penalty box and keep up the speed & intensity.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:56 pm EST

We are playing Michelletti's team tonight.....Nauseating as usual.....

PJ


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:46 pm EST

Made the captain look like tenille

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:43 pm EST

Forgot they picked up Conacher. Used to like that little sob.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:40 pm EST

The King came up Spades on that save.....

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:37 pm EST

Did Hank get memo?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:30 pm EST

Sham Blows'em

TradeStar28


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:29 pm EST

Wow...could Sam fuckin Rosen be more excited on that goddamn power play goal? Go fuk urself Sam

TradeStar28


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:23 pm EST

Moof how do you count to 21?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:22 pm EST

Put that puck in mclarens crib ... lil nash ....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:21 pm EST

That goal by Nash is a result of confidence

nyfans


Tue Oct 14 2014 6:20 pm EST

Malone doesnt look slow. Nasher! That one"s for McLaren Nash.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:48 pm EST

Im expecting a savage NYR attack 1st period. 3-1, 4-1 Rangers. Calling Hayes first NHL tally. And theyd better look out for Zuc. Hes not a happy little man. Here's to poundin it up Garth Snow's ass! Cheers!!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:43 pm EST

Yeah, OK, the Islanders are the "hot" team.....hot with 2 straight wins against the Candy Canes. If the Rangers get their sh!t together tonight, we'll see how "hot" they are against the speed of the Rangers, Rangers need to take this game very seriously and come out with a swagger and a bad attitude.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:48 pm EST

Of all the guys you listed Hospo, I dont think thered be too much variance in Step being one of their best, if not the best of the bunch thus far. That means theres lots of upside, we know many of these guys are real good. And still a very long way to go. Stemp also gave Anisimov some shot in the mush the other night, which I quite enjoyed.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:42 pm EST

stevie; Agreed - work hard and play smart. Be mindful of where you are on the ice, where your teammates are and what the opposition is doing. I didn't see the BJ game, but I suffered thru the Leaf game and the Rangers lacked zip AND smarts.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:40 pm EST

Just watch the highlights of the Pack win over Syracuse the other night. Nice shot by Lindbergh to win it in OT. And holy crap, is McI phreakin' HUGE. At least on one clip, when he comes in to celebrate a goal, he sure looked massive, dwarfing his teammates. Looks like he might be paired with Bodie - if so, I like that combination.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:36 pm EST

The winger that looked the most ready is haggerty when Veenyo is good and ready....as he continues to try and reinvent the wheel ... Then spin some more until December ... Guess that's part of his mo .... But this team needs to stop the bs and dig down and win tonight no matter who he puts on the ice .... Stop the bs and work hard....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:25 pm EST

NICK - Totally disagree..I think it's a pretty deep and talented roster with the only significant hole bieng a 3rd C type..BRass, Step, MZA, NASH, St. Louis, Krieder, Duclair..., --That's alot of talent..and then there's guys like Hags, Malone, Stemp, Glass, and some kids (maybe) playing roles.....The King is still one of the best, as is the D when they have their act together...I honestly don't see anything better in the East..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:25 pm EST

NIck: The nagging little worry many of us have I suspect, but endeavoring to stay positive (it ain't easy, given the lousy start, that's for sure!).

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 4:23 pm EST

So the Miller carousel is spinning merrily, but 4 games into the regular season. I get the need for patience with this guy but at the same time, I get that he needs to produce or in the very least, not be a detriment. Tough spot for both sides when the team has been outplayed in all 3 games and have performed progressively worse in each outing. When you're a perceived cup contender anyways. If this yo-yo activity is to be the norm again for Miller, the Rangers need to make a decision on him IMO, at least in the near term: Farm him out and leave him in Hartford for at least 2 months or trade him. It certainly appears the Rangers have deemed the 3rd option - let him sort his issues out by dressing him regularly - is not an option at all.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:54 pm EST

Disagree Nick. This is a pretty stacked roster with everyone healthy and playing to their abilities. Not perfect, but then no one's is. Could always be better though, I grant you :)

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:24 pm EST

I can't deny last year's close call but you know that was a get-in-get-hot thing. It could happen again of course but that's still a thin, tinkered roster we have here. Also as an aside: I'm sure glad the Nasher is showing up for these big October games. I hope he scores 60. But I really hope he gets a few in April and May.

Nick


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:20 pm EST

I'm getting the same feeling with JT I had with Dubinsky. Put him in a small market somewhere he's counted on, where he'll get lots of minutes, eventually he'll figure it out and become a pretty valuable player. This is a pressurized place anytime, but especially this year. Not the easiest of circumstances, but there are about a million guys who would kill for the opportunity he has. Rock somebody. Show how much you want it. Shake the indecisiveness and play a simple meat-n-potatoes game. All Id ask of the coaches is leave him in one damn spot. And sure, wing is less complicated. if you cant patrol up and down your wing, you cant play! But if the center experiment is over, that's it. He's a wing. Sink or swim!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 3:00 pm EST

WILD - Who said MILLER can't handle benchings?...You're right, being benched is part of learning the ropes in the NHL..and MILLER has deserved it and done it and has come back with decent games..Let's hope it works again..You keep trying with a kid with his physical ability....I still think he's being played at the wrong position but ti only matters what AV thinks..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 2:52 pm EST

I am sorry, I like Miller, but by now if being sat in the stands after the 3rd game in a row with little to show, and seemingly worse than game one away from the puck, and a really bad game overall makes him a bundle of nerves, or makes t hard for him to play....trade him NOW. Get him away from the team as fast as possible. A rookie, sure, a kid who is 18, 19 OK, but Miller is 21 and in his 3rd pro season (also had 8 games of playoffs before his first regular season) He needs to put his big boy pants on and be a NHL level Pro, enough already, either do the job the coaches have been asking of you for 3 years (two coaches now have had the same issues, no more blaming Torts) I am starting to wonder if what we see is his best, sure maybe he starts to get more offensive stuff going, but if its a nightmare every time the other team has the puck, forget it. And he needs to be able to be sat at times, thats part of growing in the NHL, ESPECIALLY on a team that has the cup in mind. Sure theIslanders for years could play a young kid and have him be bad, but it didn't really change anything, you don't see cup teams running out young kids making mistakes over and over, they sit them to let them learn, and work with them. If Miller can't handle that, than he isn't the types of player that the Rangers should want around.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 14 2014 2:17 pm EST

NICK - And with that collection, we almost won the whole damn thing last year! The rangers have some holes (but also some trade chips to deal with) but there may not be a team in the East I would want to trade places with..well, unless AV stays pigheaded ALL year..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:58 pm EST

If Slats can hoodwink some duller GM into thinking guys like Miller and Fast are NHLers, maybe he can package and steal a real center from someplace. Even with Stepan we have a collection of one number two, one number three and about 17 number fours. Just MHO of course.

Nick


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:52 pm EST

I was watching the highlights on the NHL network last night and was gonna mention what i saw (actually didn't see) in the OTT @ FLA game..http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/10/13/6972237/panthers-attendance-senators...smallest crowd ever...How long can that team last if it doesn't win fast ..Of course, Bettman woukd have you think nothing is wrong..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:36 pm EST

Hospo -- the KISS principle for JT? I agree....start with the basics, let him go up and down the wing without having to worry about the defensive responsibilities of a center. Let him skate, bang bodies, go to the net, shoot the puck....basic stuff that we all know he can do well. Let him do it on a line with less pressure to score and maybe he'll relax and just play hockey. But, to a large extent, it's the coach's job to figure out how to put him in a position to succeed....I just think AV has made up his mind to a certain extent. I also think JT knows it, so he goes out there trying to CHANGE the coach's mind by a) doing things exactly the way the coach wants it (so he ends up thinking too much); or B) trying to force things to make a big play so he can stand out. It's tough to be a young guy who doesn't have the coach's confidence.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:14 pm EST

RABID - Why's he's doing none of that stuff is becasue he's playing 2nd /3rd line C and thinking too much about his other responsibilities to the point where it is hindering his game....Just my theory.....The kid can skate, we know that, he's strong and we have seen him hit in the past...Put him on 4th line wing and tell him j to do just that...Let him get confident then maybe you move him up.and expand his role...Baby steps for the kid...Just how I would do it..

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:07 pm EST

Zuc fine and back in per AV.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:57 pm EST

Just to be clear on what every chance means thru 3 games, and I agree AV has given him a decent chance before this scratch, but JT has had 50 shifts and just over 36 minutes TOI. Two sides of the coin. 3 games averaging around 12 minutes per isn't the biggest audition sampling ever. Nor however, has JT even once bombed anybody with an open ice hit, or crashed the net, or made a standout play on either side of the puck, or made the slightest impact IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:44 pm EST

JFC - I don't k now about that short leash,..AV was giving MILLER every chance in the world....including PP time and different linemates...MILLER has just done nothing with a huge opportunity...He kinda deserves to sit.....BUt, he should be brought back in for another chance...I still think he belongs on the 4th Wing as a start...Him and Glass could give us a 4th line with some identity...

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:43 pm EST

JFC, 100% agree, it is a very short lease. Thing is, that just complicates matters IMO. If you're not giving up on the kid, turn him loose. Don't make him more uptight than he already is. I don't trust him out there either, but they have him up here, 3 games in, a bundle of nerves and a spectator. And I totally agree on JT & Malone, they had something going. AVs always looking for pairs and chemistry, what was the problem there? Just a messy start to the year all around.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:35 pm EST

RR -- problem is, that AV has JT on a very short leash....he's simply not convinced he can play well consistently. JT went -4 last game....when your already on a short leash, a -4 gives the coach an excuse to give you a seat.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:32 pm EST

td -- I agree, Miller did seem to have some nice chemistry with Malone and I'd like to see those 2 together at some point. The problem is, that AV seems to hold them in the same regard right now....he's not sold on either one.....so the odds of them together at this point are slim to none. But, we'll have to take it one step at a time....first, Malone has to show he can be an asset...enough so that he becomes a regular or at least a guy who is used often. Once that happens, Miller has to be given another shot to start in a game when Malone is playing and AV remembers the chemistry that was there....I thought it was pretty obvious. Miller does have wheels, but he seems to be able to and comnfortable with slowing things down a bit. That helps with a guy like Malone. An interesting line that might work at the same speed would be Hayes-Malone-Miller.

JFC31


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:25 pm EST

Just on seniority I'd have kept playing Miller over Hayes. JTs been waiting a lot longer for his shot. Give him these next 10 games at least, get a gauge on what this kid is already. Unless theyve given up all hope on him as a center, he should've never been moved to wing ( even though I thought that's where he's looked best and his future most likely lies). But this is ad hoc b.s. Have a friggin plan for the kid and stick with it. One game under .500 and it's out the window. Best news for me is Fast getting scratched. Thought AV was in love like he was with Richards.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:24 pm EST

MF - I would..Broken record, but I just think HAYES needs to be learning in the AHL..Better for him and the Rangers in the long run.,...The consistently best of all of Miller, Hayes,Linberger,Lombardi and Mueller in the preseason was MUELLER..I'd have him up for HAYES and as a extra forward that can play for whoever, in this instance the struggling MIller (not the only struggling player but let's be real about whpo will sit)

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:24 pm EST

MF - I would..Broken record, but I just think HAYES needs to be learning in the AHL..Better for him and the Rangers in the long run.,...The consistently best of all of Miller, Hayes,Linberger,Lombardi and Mueller in the preseason was MUELLER..I'd have him up for HAYES and as a extra forward that can play for whoever, in this instance the struggling MIller (not the only struggling player but let's be real about whpo will sit)

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:22 pm EST

sat

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:13 pm EST

Would you have sit Hayes instead of Miller?

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:09 pm EST

Glad MALONE is in, sorry that it's at the expense of MILLER...frankly, they should be on a line together. Malone plays a game Miller should(and occasionally does) pattern. They looked real good on a line together.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:05 pm EST

woops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdPfBx4HFDc

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:05 pm EST

Waiver wire: Know it's not likely to happen given the Rangers' roster situation, but the Jets' Patrice CORMIER was just put on waivers...simply put, he's what the Rangers need right now on their bottom line...defensively reliable center, has offensive upside and is just mean. Good forechecker...nasty player. Got in a lot of trouble for ending a kid's career in juniors...career really hit the rocks as a result of injury...at 24 years old, 6'2 and 215 pounds, he'd be a help in the middle, but the Rangers really don't have room right now and I suspect they wouldn't think too highly of putting him at third-line center...But if the goal is to bring some skill AND toughness to the Rangers, Cormier would be a great claim...Brian GIBBONS, a former Pen and teammate of Kreider/Hayes, is also on the wire. I can't see any use for him, though I do like him as a player.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:04 pm EST

Malone: I hope there's no residual with his so called hip flexor, and I hope there's no "one & done" attitude toward him.. As stated ad nauseam, he brings something we ain't got, & with plenty of regular season & playoff experience to boot......... RR: for your Moses quote: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eltonjohn/bordersong.html

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:45 am EST

Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord AV on D in all 3 zones: "To get the puck back you have to have five guys on the same page...we’re not where we need to be right now."

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:03 am EST

Malone is in for the first time this season. My guess is that if he doesn't impress, good chance he sits and Miller comes back in.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:00 am EST

Yeah, good that Malone is finally in, though a mucking role doesn't best serve him or the team IMO, with the other lines in flux. If Malone doesn't score from the 4th line, does he sit the next 3? Eh, AV is showing half a brain, guess I should be happy.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 11:00 am EST

veenyo must be seeing spots now.....next move is to call Mueller up if centers continue to be wingers.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:56 am EST

RABID - MALONE needs to be in like we all have said...FAST does not hurt the team but is pretty much a non entity..Should be a Black Ace,....Guess it comes down to MILLER vs HAYES..Neither have showed me much since pre-season but I think MILLER is more physically ready...Still, the bench can be a great learning experience for some..Hope it is for MILLER...

Hospo


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:47 am EST

guess veenyo is being read the wall by lb.....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Malone confirmed he's in tonight.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Kostka with Staal shouldn't be much worse than Klein and Staal. Having Klein back with Moore is optimal, but any D pair that tricks Staal into thinking he can join the rush more is problematic. With Boyle, Staal has no such illusion.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:23 am EST

Lundqvist vs Halak tonight

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:11 am EST

Malone practicing with 1st PP unit. Save us Moses!Haha...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 10:09 am EST

I think McBain wasn't qualified in Buffalo because of all the kids they have coming up on D (Ristolainen, McCabe, Zadorov) the emergence of Pysyk and Mike Weber. They also let Ehroff go this offseason. That being said, he is at the moment a fringe NHLer. #7 or #6.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:58 am EST

Fast had to come out IMO. Kid has shown zilch over two seasons. But said in summer, give JT his games, same position. 20-40, make a determination. He hasn't played great but this I don't think is fair to him. But the world dont run on fair, and its Hayes right now that's squeezing him out.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:55 am EST

HOORAY! Malone & Glass with Moore in morning skate. JT Miller & Fast appear to be scratches.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:45 am EST

On STAAL - Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Carolina was shopping him quietly...the Staal brothers didn't really pan out for them in the way they thought...Jordan still hasn't become the number-two center and Eric...well, he's been the Canes' version of Rick Nash...I agree with Ola in some regards...when Staal disappears, he VANISHES. And it's not for just a couple of games....it's for weeks at a time...he almost always starts the season out really slow and despite getting a fairly strong supporting cast, hasn't done squat to lead the Canes back to the post-season since 2009...What would he cost? More than THORNTON. He'd be an instant whipping boy too...bottom line is, folks, these centers everyone seems to want so bad aren't going to come over for Danny KRISTO, a late-round draft pick and John MOORE...they're going to cost pieces that no one wants to lose.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:33 am EST

It's that damn Hansel! He's so hot right now!

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:30 am EST

Here's all you need to know about Jamie McBAIN: Buffalo, despite trading a second rounder and SEKERA for him, decided not to give him a qualifying offer...in other words, the worst defensive team in the east...perhaps in the NHL...wasn't interested in signing him...I won't hold it against him for not making the Yotes, since they have a very good defense...But let's just say I wouldn't expect much from the guy...a lower pairing type for a bottom-dwelling team...last word on him was that he was headed over to the KHL...It should be noted though, the UWisconsin connection between him, STEPAN and McDONAGH. McBain lead the team in scoring one year.

tdchi


Tue Oct 14 2014 9:15 am EST

Carolina is ready to move on from the Staals. Phoenix, I believe, is building around Hanzal. I haven't read anything about him being available.

Messier11


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:49 am EST

Before I went after Staal I think Id try to bag Martin Handzel from Arizona. Hes not the scorer JT or Staal is, but he's mean, huge and he can skate. 30-40pt guy but hard to play against.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:41 am EST

I must be getting old. I want nothing to do with any of these big name (super expensive) players. The smart move is to be very calm and patient right now. This team is good, they just need some time to get on track.

hipcheck


Tue Oct 14 2014 8:21 am EST

rf so all you want is a cup roster, that wins it, guys ready in the ahl for the nhl, and a stockpile of picks? how about a dynasty too?

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:57 am EST

RF4L- Yeah, the NHL draft is always a humble pie in that regard. Boy we knew Hank Lundqvist was going to be great, Rocker saw something in him, but we still picked goalie Johan Asplund a few picks ahead of him and Asplund sucked. Detroit stole Hank Zetterberg for sure, but look at the players they took ahead of him and how they sucked.

Ola


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:53 am EST

RF4L- I would stay long away from Eric Staal to be honest. I think there are all kind of issues involved with the solid stats he put up for Carolina which many take as an account for him still being a potential major asset on a Cup winning team. Why do I feel like that? Its just that when you play against Carolina or you watch Carolina play -- does E Staal stand out for anyone as a major contributor? Carolina sucks big time and E Staal from my POV is as big of a reason as any, Carolina sucks when he is on the ice and they sucks when he is off it. Everything goes through him on the PP and he get the top minutes 5 on 5, and yes, that results in pts on the board. He has been there a long time and they get the job done in that regard. In saw E Staal live a few times on the big ice in Europe during the WCHs a few years ago -- and he was a complete non-factor on the ice. He did nothing offensively, looked like a stiff when he got the puck and he is a darn slow skater. After the trackrecord we have with big UFA signings, showings like that just scares the heck out of me.

Ola


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:19 am EST

Great article by MacKenzie on Duclair and I love his rebuttal point about Clark saying the Rangers were 'surpirsed' Duclair was still available in the 3rd round, but surprised enough to take him with either of the first 2 of their 3 3rd round selections. More evidence that the draft is a crap-shoot, but especially so after you get past the top half of the first round. It also emphasizes something I've been saying for years: Stockpiling draft picks, including mid-round picks, is a wise strategy. Duclair would be wowing another organization if Sather hadn't piled up 3 3rd rounders 2 drafts ago

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 7:12 am EST

Eric Staal has a no movement clause so he can control his own destiny. He's got 1 year left after this season on a $8,500,000 contract. IMO, any deal starts with Brassard going the other way. Would something like Brassard and Hagelin work I wonder (which would bring a salary difference of $1,250,000). I suspect the Canes would hold out for a viable prospect to be added. I also suspect Staal would wave his no movement clause to join Marc.

RF4L


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:18 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/mckenzie-the-fascinating-story-of-rangers-forward-duclair-1.105742

puckyou


Tue Oct 14 2014 5:18 am EST

"Coach Alain Vigneault broke up every single line combination going into the match, and he would have even if Mats Zuccarello hadn’t been sidelined with what is believed an ailing shoulder. Incredibly, no unit contained even two forwards who were regular linemates last year."

stevielegs


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:12 am EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/ny-rangers-hurting-kevin-hayes-opportunity-impress-article-1.1972896

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 1:02 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/rangers-islanders-rivalry-as-intense-as-ever-1.9499763

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:48 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/14/streaking-islanders-slumping-rangers-set-to-battle/

mf


Tue Oct 14 2014 12:02 am EST

When I said McBain was third last year in blocked shots, I meant with Buffalo.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:43 pm EST

RF or Rhet, I forget which sry, but I dont think Lindberg is the end all, be all, he just caught my eye last year. We all gravitate towards some players more than others for whatever reason. But do I think the team would benefit from solid two-way play from a 3C, and do I think Lindberg is better suited than Miller or Hayes? Yes, guilty! Ill tell ya who else hasnt looked so hot and thats Dom Moore. Lets see if AV matches him against Tavares/Okposo tonight and how he does. Last year AV wouldve went strength v. strength but with Step out & MSL maybe he tries to shut them down.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:26 pm EST

Rangers had some interest in McBain a year or so ago. Idk about now but wouldnt surprise me & wouldnt hurt, considering it might not be only time Boyle visits IR. Schneidw, to give a good answer it helps to know what a team really needs, as opposed to just throwing names out. Im not as familiar with the Canes top to bottom, but lets assume if theyre moving Staal theyll want a center that can be a no. 1-2 at some point relatively soon.Id also have to say I think Thorton is a much better fit for us, now, for Nash, he makes $3m less (Staal makes a whopping 9.5 this year & next) and he wants to be here, if you believe the circumstantial evidence. Ive also never been crazy about Eric, hes streaky and he's really tailed off & battled injuries lately. That said, sure Id take him, right price. But him theres no discount like Thorton, who's in a bad situation. He's 4 years younger and you gotta trade for him outright. Have to figure one of Miller/Hayes/Lindberg, one of Moore/McIlrath/Skjei and theyd probably hold out for a Duclair or Buchnevich, plus a pick .whether thats a No. 1 might depend on if we part with Duke or Buch, maybe they take a 2nd or later if so. Basically 3 valuable pieces Id think. And thats if they dont demand NHL players ((and Id guess they would demand at least one) But I think you get Thorton for one good piece and a few scraps. And you dont have to move a significant player like Klein to fit him. Jmwo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:33 pm EST

McBain was third in blocked shots last season. His 113 would have been third-most for us also. Doesn't hit or fight though.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:30 pm EST

Meanwhile: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=35&id=643384&navid=nhl:topheads

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:18 pm EST

Nothing on twitter about interest in McBain

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:16 pm EST

Was released by Phoenix, signed in KHL like two weeks ago

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:10 pm EST

McBain played with McDonaugh at U of Wisconsin for two seasons, with Stepan for one. If we pick him up, should try to move kostka.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:05 pm EST

HE

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:04 pm EST

I mentioned McBain as a possible 7th when Buffalo didn't re-sign him. However, I think he has a PTO from some team and was released before preseason ended. I thought I was headed to Europe

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:55 pm EST

McBain: ... http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473571&docid=TeamPlayerBio:35818#&navid=nhl-search

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:49 pm EST

There is a rumor that the Rangers may have some interest in UFA Right Defenseman Jamie McBain.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:40 pm EST

Eric Staal turns 30 on October 29th... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3543

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:36 pm EST

Before moving Miller to 4th line RW, I'd like another look & see with Malone on his left flanK & Stemp or DuClaw on his right.. If Mza was in the line-up, I'd like a look at Miller on the LW with Brassard & MZA.. I see Miller as a bull in a china shop that can put the puck on the stick. Additionally, perhaps the defensive side of his game is better served as a wing than of a center... I have no problem with Hagelin on 4th line RW with Moore & Glass for the time being, they'd be a forechecking nightmare capable of scoring for the opposition to deal with... Last years 4th line seemed to serve as "A" foundation for Coach AV, and other lines fell into place.. That 4th line structure could be key, & then build out.... Here's some combo's to litmus test: Kreider / Hayes / Nash ..... Stemp / Brassard / MSL ..... Malone / Miller / Duclaw ..... Glass / Moore / Hagelin ....... McD-Girardi ... Staal-Klein.... Hunwick-Kostka.... John Moore sits this one out!

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:35 pm EST

Now I'm more confused. Is this the same jt jitters who proved in the playoffs he belongs? Wow this guy is now a cat with nine lives.... Is there a jt jitters secret fan club ? ... The same guy that came to camp really ready? Can't wait for him to prove he's the next top center .... Not holding my breath neither are the nyr.... He needs a kid k intervention enlightenment and awakening ..... Show me ....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:34 pm EST

HOSPO- Patience please... 3 games is NOT enough time to evaluate a 21YO JT Miller...especially because he bouncing between C and LW... he will come around... remember how many Wallsters were ready to trade Kreider???

schneidw


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:32 pm EST

RABID RANGER- Since you brought it up, the idea of trading for Eric Staal is something that I can absolutely get behind and endorse because he is a super solid #1 center, plays both sides of the ice, great leader, and Stanley Cup Winner and 31YO.. all things Thorton is NOT. Carolina is obviously not going to make the playoffs and are hurting revenue wise and probably will lose Staal to UFA eventually so it makes sense for them to consider trading Staal while he has top value....the price for Eric Staal will be high..which is obviously problematic... and he also needs to be resigned soon... hard deal to make.... What do you think is a fair and reasonable offer that NYRs can live with?

schneidw


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:44 pm EST

NOT be offering up,,,,,,

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:43 pm EST

TDCHI - Again, I like MILLER's physical talents..but his mental game and how anything translates to on ice production, I have been disappointed with,,.If he was a vet, you would offering up the excuses and rationalizations about his inconsistent at best play..Compare that with Duclair who has the tools but also seems to know what to do with the tools on the ice and seems to be way ahead in the thought process...I was hoping MILLER's mental game would click this season but I see no evidence YET..Luckily, AV is giving him all the chances in the world, including PP

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:34 pm EST

Bickel waived and Mashinter demoted

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:26 pm EST

RF4L-I thought that was a common theme the last 2 games. Lots of drive-bys by the Rangers and very few by opponents.

Bob


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:02 pm EST

mf: I share your concern about tomorrow night. I am hoping what unfolds is something we saw often last year - a lousy stretch with no expectations for things to change and BAM, the team suddenly shows up.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:58 pm EST

I watched Miller closely for a couple of periods last night.. Besides what's been cited on here with regards to his mistakes (which I am prepared to forgive because he's pressing and the team is sucking) is his continual decisions NOT to hit. Time and time again there was an opportunity to take the man out (and I'm not talking about running someone thru the boards) and Miller did what we have seen from the Rangers in general far too often for the past x number of years: sliding by with a half-assed stick check attempt. This is not a small bodied dude - there are no excuses (in my books) for drive-byes when you are struggling to generate anything offensively and you are trying to establish your NHL presence.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:52 pm EST

And with all due respect, if Lindberg is the answer to what ails the Rangers, then the sky is about to fall. Or hell is freezing over. Or more relevant, the entire Ranger management team should be fired for missing the beyond obvious.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:49 pm EST

TD: Kreider was moved off the Nash/MSL line and abruptly disappeared last night...you need a center to make a line go 98 times out of 100.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:46 pm EST

Mess: Yes, I understand the weighted format. What I did not implicitly say is (quoting you) 'even a 5% chance of drafting McDavid (assuming the even more improbable odds of missing the playoffs and finishing in the bottom ten) is better off than getting MSL and the Stanley Cup Finals'. Those are your words. What I am talking about is risk and result. If that trade results in just that (a cup final), I don't like it regardless of where the Bolts draft next June because giving up 2 firsts for that return is silly (IMO). Giving up 2 firsts 16 months prior to the McDavid (and now Eichel) sweepstakes isn't something I'd ever do, regardless of where I thought my team might end up. All that said, you ended your last post with the words 'sounds delusional to me'. That is, of course, totally cool - you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. We can agree to disagree.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:40 pm EST

4 divied by 3 x 82 does not equal 123. Now you're talking periods of play? Spare me.... We're gonna get pounded by an Islander team that's flexing their new identity.... It aint gonna be pretty... Hear that Froggy?

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:35 pm EST

Got to figure JT Miller is well aware of the opportunity in front of him.. IMHO, the kid is pressing real hard to the point of getting in his own way, aka: becoming his own worst enemy... He needs to find a way to put aside the tension while he's competing.. I also believe that the hockey IQ may not come as natural to him as it does a guy like The Duke, so JT may be working extra hard to be perfect.. At this time I think he needs to focus more on limitting the mistakes than being perfect...... respectfully, The CJC...

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:16 pm EST

Hospo - Again, the problems I see with MILLER aren't problems with his game, per se...it's an adjustment to playing in an up-tempo system. His timing needs to come online and once it does(because I fully believe it will), he'll be much better. Ironically, I think Miller is one of those players who kind of benefits from playoff hockey because, while certainly a lot more competitive, it's noticeably slower than the regular season because more obstruction is being allowed...The problem here is that this kid keeps getting bounced from one assignment to the next...he belongs where he is, which is at center. He needs to be on a line where he can make mistakes and then learn from them...jerking him from center to wing and back down to Hartford isn't helping the situation here...That's why I still think he'd be a great guy to pair with someone like KREIDER and ST. LOUIS.

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:49 pm EST

I get 123 with no ot

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:48 pm EST

Moof recalculate 4 in 8 periods see if you get same answer... Does generator work on moon power?

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:44 pm EST

Legs: The answer is 109.333 .... :-)

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:23 pm EST

Cannot extend St. Louis IMO. have to see how he plays 2nd half & POs. Besides you want him good and pissed off with something to prove. He's thrived his whole career that way. But I wouldnt hand him a roster spot for 2015-16. You can always sign him as a UFA.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:57 pm EST

MF - I was only thinking about forwards, but thanks...I forgot about STEP's bridge contract and Hags is that old already? Wow, time flys....And why a team should go for it every year..

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:47 pm EST

Moof trade them all before they leave ... Get to work on your trade generator version 2014-15 .. The line generator needs more input...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:43 pm EST

Unsigned next yr. Stepan,Hag's,Staal.Stemp.MSL.JMoore.. I think that's it...

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:35 pm EST

RABID - Talking about BUCHENIVICH and the forseable future stuff, a curious factor that will arise before Christmas is whether the Rangers want to extend St. Louis through next year..Very likely...Everybody else is signed except STEMP, I think

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:28 pm EST

TDCHI - What wheels of Miller? I know he's fast but they are rarely on display..The kid needs to be at Wing and just banging and skating and letting his physical attibutes take over...Please put him with Glass and Moore,..And even if Lindbeger and Mueller don't have the speed or hands of MIlller, it's not your skills, it's how you play the two-way game

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:16 pm EST

Big Joe ay? How about Stepan, Brassard, Miller, Connor Allen, Haggerty, and all our picks for next year for Eric, Jordan, Jared Staal, & they eat $2.85 mill for one year?

mf


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:14 pm EST

I am surprised since you mentioned Fast, TD, that AV doesnt have the same love for Lindberg, at least not yet, dince both arw those textbook swedish players, extremely well schooled. Weve been over the rest enough, have our respective thoughts. Its good, its what makes fandom interesting. See what happens. Ill point out this, since Schneid brought up assets. A kid like Buchnevich, who has been showing some seriously Malkinesque shit in the K, may well not have a place to play here for the forseeable. Weve NEVER in my life experienced that kind of depth. Its not everywhere, its not as high end as we might like, but we'vd got a load of talent. Haggerty alone may someday outscore EVERYBODY. Im not kidding.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:03 pm EST

RR - I feel like a broken record saying this, but man, LINDBERG needs the time he's getting in Hartford. I saw a little of the game last night and the kid looked good...but if JT MILLER is struggling with AV's system, Lindberg ain't going to be any different. He doesn't have nearly the wheels or the hands of Mills...one place where we may agree, however, is that I think he'd be a more reliable third or fourth line center right now...but what he's getting in Hartford --top line minutes --is better than getting banged like a gong in AV's up-tempo system...And another thing...Lindberg had a good camp, but he even got beat out by MUELLER in terms of the competition for center...He needs his minutes in the A. The Rangers as a whole need to step up and battle through adversity...making knee-jerk decisions three games in sets a very bad tone for the rest of the season...If by month's end, Lindberg is still potting a goal a game, then that's a knock loud enough the Rangers will have to open the door. Otherwise, I say let him stay there and develop confidence. And frankly, I'd land FAST down there with him.

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:58 pm EST

Veenyo should recall mueller to play center ( right handed too) but he probably won't ... Needs to make his December projection correct... Should be a fun ride... Deja vu all over again...

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:54 pm EST

As for the early-season woes...first, sorry to see the Rangers knuckle under like that, but again...not a big surprise considering who is out...the line situation is is just brutal...the NASH-MSL-KREIDER line is starting to remind me a bit of the NASH-RICHARDS-GABORIK line...nice in theory, but in practice? You're loading up the top line and making it easier for opponents to shut down the other three lines...also goes against AV's crucial advantage last year, which was to roll all four lines...you load up like that, then you end up with mismatches...Now there's been a lot of bagging on any rookie not named DUCLAIR and from where I stand, fairly needlessly. This is a quick system AV is trying to employ here...took his team of vets almost two MONTHS to figure it our last year...Now a team that has suffered three consecutive injuries to its stars...has rookies and retreads inserted into veteran roles...and in this fast-paced system...everything has to click. One small error and the whole system comes crashing down...When things click, the Rangers look incredible. My DVR forced me into the game with about four minutes left and it was crazy to see that score and how the Rangers were controlling the puck down low...the last four minutes of that game was probably the best they played...and yet when the scoreboard is 6-3, it makes no difference.

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:51 pm EST

Schneid, 2 losses have nothing to do with it for me. If a kid cant step up & grab it, we need a C. If theyd made a good deal in July Id have been fine with it. And for all we know they make a move for Eric Staal instead. So its not all about Jumbo. As long as everybody is getting their audition id luv to see Oscar get get his. But they dont care what I think. But God plz spare me the assets speech.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:51 pm EST

Better late than never Brooksie!

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:49 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 4h 4 hours ago This thought in advance of NYI visit to MSG tomorrow: There is no legitimate reason for Ryan Malone not to be in #NYR lineup & on PP

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:48 pm EST

re: THORNTON - It's a moot point. He's not a Ranger and won't be unless something seriously awry happens in San Jose. Want the reasons? Scroll down to E's post. He said it perfectly. Instead discussing what it'd take to land Jumbo Shrimp, we might as well start talking about what the SEDINS will cost. Maybe KESLER? Any other old centers out there who will never be Rangers I'm missing?

tdchi


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:41 pm EST

cigars for everybody.... Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord Just got back to the house so a little late with this but, yes, Rick and Jessica Nash now proud parents of a baby boy.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:34 pm EST

THORTON- Seriously wallsters,NYRs lose 2 games and now you want to trade a former #1 pick and other assets for a 35YO center with a huge contract and is in decline...have we not learned yet from past mistakes??

schneidw


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:26 pm EST

Nash's start has been very encouraging as has Duclair's. I really like the kid's game and his effort. The big problem right now is up the middle. I think they need to call up Lindberg and put together the following lines: Zuccarello (when healthy)-Brassard-St. Louis, Duclair-Hayes-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-Stempniak, Glass-Moore-Miller. I'd love to get Malone into the lineup, but right now is the time to assess Miller's worth to the team. That may come with a risk however, as his continued ineptitude could ultimately damage his trade value (if he has any at this point).

evets1980


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:24 pm EST

RF- The lottery system still has a weighted format. The bottom ten teams make up 91.5% of the possibility of drafting first overall. Any team better than the third-worst overall has less than a 10% chance. Any team better than the ninth-worst overall has less than a 5% chance. ONLY the bottom 14 non-playoff teams are even IN the lottery. So what you're saying is, even a 5% chance of drafting McDavid (assuming the even more improbable odds of missing the playoffs and finishing in the bottom ten) is better off than getting MSL and the Stanley Cup Finals. That sounds delusional to me.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:13 pm EST

Anyhow SJ nearly $5m under now w/JT. They can afford it. But we'd have to move a contract.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:04 pm EST

I'm still trying to get a handle on the video reviews from last night. It's the first time I've heard "was in the act of shooting when the net was dislodged" as a reason to allow a goal. Second one seemed clearly in, under Bernier or Reimer's left pad. Maybe the call was he was pushed in? Despite all that Toronto also played so shoddily that I didn't feel we were truly out of it until about 5 min left.

LeoS


Mon Oct 13 2014 4:04 pm EST

Vic from SJs perspective its also about getting the full deal off their books, $20m worth. depend how a deal Iis structured but if for instance the NYR pay half this year but the full balance its a relief to SJ. Those were very market friendly deals both JT & Marleau signed, I believe with the intention one or both would be moved if the Sharks didnt go deep. So I think its been in the works for some time, and theres a lot of choreography that needs to take place for everyones benefit.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:58 pm EST

Brandon Halverson is no 6 and 0 to start his OHL season, backstopping the undefeated SSM Greyhounds to their 7 and 0 season start. Very impressive. Yeah, it's perhaps a tad premature, but the King's heir apparent?

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:54 pm EST

I will repeat (yet again) - the new draft lottery allows any non-PO a shot at the first pick overall. McDavid is a generational player - not having a first round pick in his draft year is, IMO, poor general managing, unless you're guaranteed to make the POs (meaning you don't trade that pick 16 months prior to the draft - you trade it - if you must - closer to the trading deadline THIS season when it's abundantly clear the POs are a given).

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:51 pm EST

Cause I'm thinking that's about a '1'

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:50 pm EST

On the spectrum where 1 represents Sather trading Gaborik for depth during our last deep run, and 10 represents us tanking to the bottom ten and TB winning the lottery for McDavid, just how delusional is trading Nash?

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:49 pm EST

RR: Ok, that is news to me. I don't know how I missed that. Still, these teams are so far up against the cap it makes the eating of salary a near impossibility unless we are talking about a small market team that operates at the cap floor. SJ isn't like that.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:45 pm EST

BTW, count me as one on here who would not be the least bit surprised if Jumbo Joe becomes a Ranger this season. I have no doubt Sather is interested and has already likely had conversations with Doug Wilson about him. The bigger if (IMO) is what he'll cost. I suspect if it was reasonable, the deal would already have been consummated. Therein lays the key: What is a reasonable return? Sather's camp can argue 2 strong points: Thornton's age and his contract. Both are negative factors that detract from what SJ can ask for. Equally importantly, what is SJ potentially in the market for? Pure musing on my part, but would something like Brassard and Miller do it? Brassard, Miller, Hagelin for Jumbo Joe and a defenseman (not sure who - don't know the Sharks that well)?

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 3:38 pm EST

Sather isn't trading Nash any time soon (this season at least) because 1) Sather's gunning for the cup, right or wrong and Nash is arguably, the best goal scorer on the team 2) Sather's gunning for the cup and moving your best goal scorer would send a very clear message to the organization (the players specifically) that the cup is not the primary goal - rebuilding/retooling is 3) Sather's biggest move in the past few seasons was getting Nash - trading him so soon would be admitting he made a big mistake. Speculating about Nash being traded is any one's right on here; actually believing he could be traded is delusional.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 2:36 pm EST

Not impressed with Miller or Fast if this continues, they might used as trade bait .Miller can't seem get it together and Fast nothing special !!!!!

ilya


Mon Oct 13 2014 2:05 pm EST

Yeah Vic. Teams can eat up to 50%. Brian Burke pushed for that last CBA and got it.. Its since been done in Versteeg deals & several others

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:59 pm EST

RR: Has something change in the collective bargaining agreement about teams eating salary in deals? If not, then it can't be done. I am not aware of any changes. If things are still the way they were teams cannot eat salary in deals.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:58 pm EST

Exactly. It's not about how much saved off the cap max, it's about getting it all under cap. I doubt SJ willing to retain that much, and suddenly a $5 mill 3C seems unrealistic

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:48 pm EST

Rangers dont have any problem at all spending the last penny to the cap. If the strength of their team with Thornton would be up the middle, Thornton, Stephan, Brass, I don't think they give two shits what they're paying a No. 2 or a No. 3. Not this year especially. They already have one big break in an upper echelon point producer at RW with Zuc making only one mil. Duclair, at 800k (or so, not exactly sure) is another big bargain if he pans out. The rub would be getting the Sharks to eat half JT's salary, in which case the Rangers only need to fit about 3.25. I suspect that's what the waiting is about.Sharks are in Sunday btw, not Saturday.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:18 pm EST

VIC - What do I want? Pretty simple..I want the Rngers to win the CUP THIS YEAR and make any neccessary moves to go for it....I couldn't care less about next year or two years down the line right now...Every year, go for it...That doesn't mean I want to destroy the farm but it does mean I'm willing to move pieces of the future......ANDREI _ If BRAS and STEP played as well as they (along with DOM MOORE). I 'm not sure there is a need for a Big Kahuna #1 Center..but I think there wil be a need for a physically strong top 9 center....I don't see Hayes or MIller doing it..........WILD - I can see that with MILLER as a trade piece..While it wouldn;t biother me, I'd still rather see the Rangers letting him loose on Wing for awhile..JMWO

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:02 pm EST

I agree with Rabid that it probably doesn't take Brass to fetch Thornton, but I agree with Vic that if you have Thornton, Stepan 1,2, you have to move Brass' new contract. Too much for 3C, don't know that he'd be better off on wing.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:54 pm EST

RR: I think you are under appreciating what it will take to get THORNTON and over valuing BRASSARD. BRASSARD is what he is. He is an average 2nd line Center. Not bad but not great. He has upped his play in the playoffs but not to #1 Center levels. If you get THORNTON you don't need BRASSARD because STEPAN becomes the #2. You also need to consider that the Rangers will need to balance out the salaries to even make a deal work. That means someone with a fairly large contract has to go the other way. Long term one of BRASSARD or STEPAN has to go, especially if neither one of them is your #1 Center. You can't pay that much money for a #3 Center.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:41 pm EST

Brassard+ for Thorton? Lol. Never happened. Robbing Peter for one. I wouldn't trade Brass straight up, and I seriously doubt Sather would either. Why do people always assume such trades would require the sun & the moon? Thornton is 35 and SJ is in a real box with him. Big salary, NMC AND bad blood. A player, a prospect and a pick. That's the standard package in these deals. Two decent pieces and a sweetener. If this fall has taught us anything, its that we have some prospects, maybe too many.they may not all become great, in fact non of them may. But most will be NHL players in some form. We can deal for your Thorton lickety split if the front office decides to. Not only is Duclair showing, IMO, that he's for real, or that Haggerty & Lindberg could be helping our NHL club (or another), but you can't forget guys like Skjei and Buchnevich either. I think Sather is waiting for the next flare up in SJ to get serious. It shouldn't be long.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:40 pm EST

Hospo, personally, i think we have bigger issues with the center position. To me, Stepan is not a 1st line center either. He is the carrier bellow 50% on face-offs, which is a huge problem. He is not big, not fast, has a tunnel vision, poor decision making with the puck, afraid to shoot and overpasses most of the time. Everyone here had beat Nash into submission on how poorly he had played. To me, one of the main reasons why Nash has being so average, is because of Stepan. Great example is now where Nash is Stepan free and how Marty Stl had set him up with perfect passes last three games, something that Stepan is not even capable off. Now looks like Nash can score again.. I like Brassard, though. Much better vision and closer to being a number one center. If i was Sather, i would consider trading Stepan with one of the kids for real good center. Too bad Kessler never wanted to come here. He would have being perfect for this team. I remember hearing that Vancouver was asking for Stepan + in return. You get a real number one center and everything else will fall into the right place. Need to get a 3rd line center will diminish and we might be fine with Hayes/Miller at that position.

andrei


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:17 pm EST

Let me ask you guys something. We have gone through over 15 years of total SUCK with this franchise. What is it you guys want? For me it is pretty simple. I want the Rangers to be long term contenders. That means when you think of Cup hopefuls their name pops up close to the top of the list every year. I want what the Kings and Blackhawks have right now. I want what the Sharks had for nearly a decade. There are guarantees. I can honestly tell you that if you could promise me a Cup win this year after bringing THORNTON in but it meant 10 years of SUCK after that because they had to mortgage youth and destroy their Cap and Salary Structure I would tell you NO THANKS. There is no doubt THORNTON could help them this year. But, at what cost? If you are telling me that San Jose would be will to trade THORNTON for something like BRASSARD, KLEIN and FAST I'm interested. Otherwise, I'm not.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:16 pm EST

I don't know that we need it and I don't know if either team would be for it but St. Louis is loading for bear and have players they'd rather not keep. I could still see them going for Nash, moving Berglund and maybe Paajarvi. Wed likely have to take one of their NTC D back in a trade (Jackman, Leopold) but we could probably get them to take Klein to make room. I don't know that we'd win that trade, but Nash contract would be off the books, Berglund is a great big depth center. Jackman is defensive upgrade to Klein, Leopold is better too. Either of their contracts come off the books at season's end.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:10 pm EST

Was just watching that as you said it JFC. Phenomenal on the ref-cam. You're not getting a better look than that.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:06 pm EST

RR -- I'd be in favor of it....he'd be a tremendous upgrade to our C corps., IMO. On anothe note, I LOVE the helmet cam videos that are bring produced by the referees. To me, they are the closest thing to what it looks like when you play hockey. The video of Nash scoring was fantastic. Great stuff....every official should wear them....the views they would produce would be well worth it.

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:03 pm EST

Jumbo will be at the Garden Saturday, I believe. Maybe they'll leave him behind.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:47 am EST

Some Wallsters love him, some hate him but all this talk about lack of center depth and size points to one very big possibility at or before the trade deadline: Joe Thornton. We have the chips to make it work and the guy would easily be a top 3 scorer on this team. SJ seems to want him gone and rumor has it that he'd waive NTC for NY....it seems to be inexorably heading in that direction, whether you like the guy or not.

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:33 am EST

Its one thing to say that we shouldn't give away firsts. (And we haven't. We traded two firsts and a UFA for our first Stanley Cup Finals in 20 years and two seasons of a top-line player and arguably most valuable leader, plus a second.) For the 20th time, its quite another thing to claim we blew it on McDavid. Theres about ten fan boards in this league that can reasonably talk about McDavid. We aren't one of them. We never would be drafting him, and neither will TB. Opinions are one thing. Talking about McDavid is delusional.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 11:21 am EST

Lindberg had two goals last night, BTW. Seems he's on a line with Haggerty & Bourque (Chris). 2nd line is Mueller, Kristo, Ryan Bourque.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:49 am EST

Hospo: I don't know if you saw my post earlier. But I think Miller MIGHT need to be the wing used to get "that" center. He hasn't shown me much to start the season (yeah I know its only 3 games) to prove that he has turned a corner. I think so far in the first 3 games there has been much more "he should be in the AHL" thoughts in my head than "he has gotten better" thoughts...and I really want him to be good, I want him to grab a 3rd line center spot or wing spot. It just seems like he should be better than a 4th line guy, and better with out the puck by now.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:47 am EST

That's cool Vic. Mine are almost exactly the opposite but I respect a well-formed take. You may be seeing something in Hayes I havent. Looks good but green to me, an unfinished product. But even unfinished can he help? From what I saw & heard last night, he had dome good chances. First NHL game, you cant rush to judgment much quicker lol, so ill hold back for now. JT has a bigger is more complex sampling. Hospo, Step is only supposed to miss 5-6 more games. We should be ablw to survive. And things will look a lot different soon as he's back. I get on him all ghe time, but hes a very easy guy to underappreciate. He was our leading scorer for cryin out loud. How would any team do? And now minus Boyle & Zuc, and teams are gunnin for us; tough start.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:35 am EST

RF4L/Rabid -First things first, MALONE needs to play..AV is a stubborn ass if he doesn't play him given the last two games....We all know the lines are a mess and alot of that stems from the center postiion (and AV and injuries)....All we have is Brassard at #1 (ANd he has had his head up his ass), Dominic Moore (not all that much better) a converted RW and two kids that, to me, just don't seem to be ready to be a consistent Top 9 center this year.......What is the long term answer? Get Stepan back to go with Brass and Moore and TRADE FOR A DECENT , BIGGER third line center..I honestly think we will have to go there....This will allow St. Louis to go back where he belongs, Miller to the 4th line where he belongs for now, and HAYES to put in some valuable schoolwork down in Hartford.....Short-term, The Rangers gotta fight through the Stepan loss some how---Brass and Moore stepping up will help-- and St' Louis will make do temporarily but I guess you just keep trying different things--Mueller, MIller, Hayes, Lindberger, until something clicks both ways.....Once Step, comes back I think you start looking for that deal using some of the winger depth...JMWO.....In the menatime, I think the Rangers have plenty of winger depth (which needs to include MALONE) to stay above water.....Nash,Kid K, MZA,Hags, Duclair, Glass, Malone, Stemp, MIller?

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:25 am EST

RR: I disagree with your assessment of the Centers. Going by just what we saw in preseason (which is all we saw of LINDBERG and MUELLER) I would put them from first to worst: MILLER, MUELLER, HAYES and LINDBERG. Now, MILLER hasn't looked like the same player since the season started and MUELLER isn't here. HAYES has had one game and it was a net positive in my book. As far as not using his size did you see him power through FRANZEN (IIRC) along the boards and retain control of the puck. FRANZEN is a big boy and knocked KREIDER on his ass earlier in the game. I'm all for HAYES getting his shot now and if he can prove himself so be it. If not I'd give MUELLER the next shot. I'd go with MUELLER over LINDBERG because of his PP abilities and the fact that he is a right handed shot.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:18 am EST

RF4L: You need to start using actual facts and reality. You want to pretend that the Hawks and Kings first round picks are why they have won the cup. And yes, that is true, but the Rangers had first rounders those years that the "big" players those teams rely on were drafted. The last couple drafts the Rangers have been with out picks, the Kings and Hawks did have them...but those players have done nothing for them...so its basically as if they didn't have the picks when it comes the the NHL impact of them. But I know those facts will just get in the way of your nice little story, but they are the facts. The Rangers had picks in the same early rounds when those teams YOU used as an example of how to draft picked their top guys. I have shown that the last 2 drafts have not produced a single late 1st rounder to make any impact as of yet, at least not any more than Duclair. But that all seems to be opinion to you. But reality isn't opinion, facts are facts. We can agree that Sather drafted poorly during those drafts early on, but thats not all Sather, its the people around him as well. He has fixed that it seems, look at the 3 3rd rounders in '13, one is in the line up right now, with 2 points in 3 games. So yes Sather had a terrible draft record for some time. DOnt mistake me saying it hasn't mattered (at least not yet) when it comes to the traded picks, or by saying Sather has done well the last few drafts and young UFAs that I feel he is somehow great in any way.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:09 am EST

since 2000 (30 picks when you take 1st and 2nd rounders) the Rangers have made 29 first and 2nd round picks. The last 2 drafts the Ragers have not had a 1st rounder, and now year no 2nd rounder. HOWEVER that year they drafted Duclair, and even though RF4L seems to think it doesn't matter, Duclair is playing like 1st rounder so that makes up for not having one, and that docent take into account the kid over in Russia who looks early on to be 1st round material. So tell me again, after years and years of at least 2 picks in the first 2 rounds (on average at least) has not had any positive impact, yet having two drafts with out a first has somehow put the Rangers into a position that that they are struggling early this season. Please oh please show me all this evidence that a player drafted 29th last year would be able to step in now...or any player drafted last draft...only 3 have played a game this season...and they are number 1,2,3 of the draft...only 6 players outside the top 10 of the draft in 2013 have played games in the NHL (non more than 7, one player, and the rest 2) so again...how would keeping those picks have helped the Rangers NOW? There is NO WAY those picks help the Rangers now, and for years and years before that they had their 1st and 2nd rounders in all years accept for 2 and even had multiple picks in the first 2 rounds a few times. Basically, the last 2 picks being gone (its just 2, you all love saying 3 but that 3rd draft hasn't happened yet) have ZERO impact on this season.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:08 am EST

And whoever said it, Lindberg didnt shit the bed in camp, though certainly its a beautifully turned phrase. He had two good games, one bad one by his own admission. He's a bit of a streaky scorer, and I was afraid he might not be in hot mode for those few ps games. Kid is miles better than Hayes, Miller and Mueller. But JT had to get his shot first, and Hayes size is attractive to them. Not to me cause he hasnt used it, but to them.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:06 am EST

So Lombardi officially returned to his former team in Sweden and it also officially off our books ....RF4L.... Brooks is literally 'the boy who cried wolf' when it comes to Marc Staal's contract. So much so, you would think the man was being paid by Staal's agent.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 13 2014 10:01 am EST

RF4L: I totally agree on the issue of depth at Center. I never thought the Rangers could go deep in the playoffs with STEPAN and BRASSARD as #1 and #2 down the middle. They did it last year so clearly it was possible but certainly not ideal. RICHARDS was not the player he used to be but he was still a solid NHL Center. The depth issue has been magnified by STEPAN's injury but even when he comes back there is still an issue that this team will need to address this year either through trade or through someone stepping up and seizing a job. MILLER was given the first crack at it but it appears to be HAYES turn now. If HAYES fails to impress LINDBERG or MUELLER may get another shot. My guess is that HAYES ends up being the 3rd line Center this year but he is going to need to grab that spot over the next few games. I'm hoping they put him with DUCLAIR to see if those two can develop some chemistry. When STEPAN comes back MSL could join that line.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:54 am EST

The one thought I had with how certain prospects are seemingly getting rammed down our throats is they're trying to sell somebody on one or two of them to make a deal. Thatd make a helluva lot more sense than what we've seen; Malone cant get in, Jesper the friendly ghost not missing a shift, etc. Other thing is, its the D more than the offense right now. As much as the lines induce headaches.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:53 am EST

Wild: Whatever dude. You can worship Sather's ways all you want - that's cool and your divine right to do so. You won't convince me, no way, no how. The only team that's had success trading away first rounders is the Wings, but they've done nothing in the POs for years. That isn't to say making the POs for 20 something consecutive years isn't commendable (especially when you compare that to a team like the Leafs who've made it once in the past 14) but I want the cup.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:50 am EST

Another thought on Malone....so he doesn't skate very fast. So what? Doesn't mean he can't play "uptempo" style if his line mates are matched properly. for instance, if you put together a line of Hayes-Miller-Malone....none of those guys are speedsters, they'd be able to head up the ice "uptempo" together....it's just that their uptempo would be at a different rate of speed. The concept would still be the same in terms of breaking out, moving through the neutral zone, etc. but, once they established the O zone, they could really do some damage with a forecheck, controlling the puck along the boards and going hard to,the net. Hayes protects the puck very well, Malone hits like a Mack truck and Miller can distribute the puck well.

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:50 am EST

JFC: AV's apparent stubbornness about certain players isn't unique. Seems to me almost every coach does the same thing, independent of the sport. I think it's due, as you imply, to stuff that goes on behind the prying eyes of the media and fans. For sure, emotions come into play, character issues/conflicts/etc. After 2 terrible games where the 2nd and 3rd lines are a mess, if Malone isn't dressed for Tuesday's game, where the Islanders are sure as hell to be primed to run the Rangers thru the boards, then something is indeed amiss. Yeah, he doesn't skate like the wind, but given what's played out to date, it makes zero sense not to have him in the lineup based on what his game offers.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:49 am EST

So RF4L: That would imply that first rounders, and they have to be recent ones since those are the ones the Rangers have traded, helped the Kings and Hawks win their cups. Forbort, Gibson, Pearson, Zykov and Kempe are the Kings 1st rounders since 2010 have totaled 28 games, 5g and 5a for 10 points and 10 pims. (all Pearson) The Hawks going all the way back to 2008 have picked in the first round Beach, Olsen, Hayes, McNeill, Teravainen, Hartman and Schmaltz (77 games, 3g 11a, 14 points) I can see by those lists that if the Hawks and Kings hadn't kept their last 5-7 first rounders that they would have missed those cup wins. Your own argument goes against you. YES they had 1st rounders, but did they do ANYTHING for those teams?

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:43 am EST

Allow me to jump to a quick conclusion: We suck at center. Hayes was not the worst center on the club last night. They have nobody else to put there. Maybe we can send Brassard to Hartford. Youngsters and retreads are forced into action due to the salary cap. Too bad Lombardi did not work out. In a perfect world, everyone plays in Hartford until they are 24 or so and are then "ready." Expecting excellence when the GM pisses away high picks resulting in the club fishing for leftovers from college who were not drafted is a foolish game, but it is where we are. 3 games in, there is need for reinforcements that the organization cannot afford to bring in. I expect that Tuesday night will also be ugly.

Bob


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:42 am EST

Good morning, everyone! Nice to have off for Columbus Day today....Happy Thanksgiving to RF4L and all our other Canadian Wall Brothers out there! We, myself included, tend to be very over reactionary here on The Wall....we're getting aggravated after 3 games and we talk like we're staring at the gates of hell. Let's face it, there ARE extenuating circumstances (excuses) that are legitimately screwing this team up so far....Stepan, Boyle, Zucc, a group,of new players in the mix, etc....and these are legitimate reasons why it's really unrealistic to damn the team so far.....we aren't even close to being the team that we have on paper. We lost a center and we lost the guy who was supposed to fix our PP. Just those 2 alone are enough to really have a domino effect. Now Zucc has added more woes to the lines. I do blame AV for going into yet another season with line chaos....thought he could,have done a better job of SETTING the lines in preseason. Instead, we get a mishmash of lines that have never even played one game together. Zucc-Hags-Brass doesn't work. AV needs to try and recreate the line from last season by finding a Poo fill-in....and Hags ain't that! Why is that so hard for,him to,understand? TRY Malone there....why wouldn't you? You can THEORIZE that it won't work, but they only way to tell is by TRYING IT! Miller also seemed to,have some chemistry with Malone. So why not get those 2 on a line and then fill in the other spot and let's see what happens? Something is going on with AV that worries me....a stubborn streak or,something....can't put my finger on it. Maybe he just makes up his mind on certain players and then won't deviate from that thought until he's forced to through injuries, etc. he. At have this kind, tolerant, press-friendly demeanor in public, but methinks there's a different AV away from the cameras. He needs to move quicker now to get us on track ASAP and he needs to puts achieved his preconceived notions and use Malone, Miller and others in a way that helps them succeed. He's doing it with Duclair....he needs to have the same attitude with others as well

JFC31


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:42 am EST

Oh...one other thing from last night. The "ref-cam" is pretty awesome when the ref is in the right position and moving along well, that POV shot of the Nash goal was really cool. I only hope they can use it even more for replays.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:35 am EST

And to those who don't believe 1st rounders are worth keeping, we can agree to disagree. Until Sather's way proves worthy (and this is a man who's not won a cup in 25 consecutive years) we will continue to disagree.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:32 am EST

Nothing wrong with drafting Duclair in the 3rd. Not sure what your point is wild, other than to disagree that you don't need first round picks. To that I say, please tell me what cup winning team lately trades away 3 consecutive 1st rounders (plus 2 2nd rounders). Is it LA? Ahh, no. Chicago? Ahh, no. Boston? Ahh, no. Pittsburgh? Ahh, no.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:22 am EST

RF4L: Tell me again why drafting Duclair in the 3rd round was so terrible...and how they could have done SOOO much better with a late first rounder that year...Also, there are times when a team has a break in its flow of young players in a certain position. The Rangers DID use 1st round picks on Dmen, a couple didn't make it, (still haven't with their new teams) they have used 2nd rounders as well. There are young Dmen who will be able to make the step, maybe this year, maybe next, but even if Sather hadn't traded the first rounders and second rounders there is no way to know if the D depth would look any better. Add to that, name me 1 single team that has the ability to just plug and play for a 2nd pair Dman...and to have NO drop off in the overall D group.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:17 am EST

York: That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Doesn't make mine 'total nonsense'.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:15 am EST

kitchen: Read the post fully - if the mess isn't rectified, the Rangers will not make the POs and therefore, the Bolts will be in the lottery for the 1st pick. And it's a mess. Similar to last year, except last year 1) new coach and 2) stupid extended road trip that started early into the pre-season. I guess the excuse this year is all the new players, plus the injury to Stepan.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:14 am EST

RF total shite having a first rounder means nothing you're talking pure nonsense

York18


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:11 am EST

And look at all the consternation being expressed over Staal's contract status. I get why - the Rangers suddenly lack depth on the backend, too. This is what you get when the GM gives away high end draft picks like Halloween candy. Yeah, it's exciting when the team signs a bevy of UFA college kids, but except in exceptional cases, they went undrafted for a reason. And no first rounder next year, too. Dumb.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:09 am EST

We'll be last overall? Take a step back from the cliff.

kitchen1


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:08 am EST

Hospo: You argue a strong case (it's so logical!), but who do the Rangers use instead? IMO, the run to the final last year has masked the lack of depth upfront in this organization, especially at center. Stepan's injury is probably the 2nd worse that could happen (the King, of course, being number 1). IMO, the center position is the team's weakest and with Stepan out and BR's buyout, the Rangers are icing down the middle, one of the worse in the entire league. SOme on here argue that the Rangers have enough wingers with offensive skills to compensate - I don't agree. The center-man is, far more often than not, the go-to player for whatever 5-some is out there. Easily the best for the Rangers now is the winger-converted MSL. Brassard should be ashamed of his play - other than a really nice shot, in the 2 games I've watched he's been embarrassingly invisible. Not sure who else is available. Lack of depth for sure.

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 9:00 am EST

Whew, recovered from last night's mess. And what a mess. This, right now, is a one line team and if that's not rectified, we'll be watching the Bolts draft Connor McDavid next June. But, first things first: The Islanders in tomorrow and they will push the Rangers to 1 and 3 if things don't change. And they are gonna run the Rangers all over the ice. MZA is out with a shoulder injury and I'm guessing it's due to that hit he took against the BJs. More such injuries will mount if the Rangers continue their meek ways. So frustrating. Can I revoke my NHL center ice?

RF4L


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:48 am EST

VIC - I picked HAYES out because the Rangers are looking at him as an answer for C with STEPAN OUT and THIUS YEAR...I don't see it..Sorry...Not Doubt the kid is tall and he has some offensive talent..and one day will be a very good rRangers but the 3 or 4 games I've watched have indicated to me that he makes some bad decions, stands around defensively, not very good at FOs and just not yet ready to take advantage of his size and needs to get stronger...He is a perfect player that needs to be sent to HARTFORD for three or four months...He doesn't suck..He is not the reason the Rangers looked bad..But the AHL is the best place for him and I don't think he will help the Rangers all that much at C....But, I would love to be proven wrong!

Hospo


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:39 am EST

OLA: Sorry, but to blame what we have seen so far on STRALMAN not being here and HUNWICK in at the moment in his place is way off base IMHO. GIRARDI, McDONAGH, STALL, KLEIN and MOORE have been collectively awful so far through 3 games. It has nothing to do with STRALMAN not being here and HUNWICK playing. The mental and physical errors those 5 are making are killing them right now. The lack of support from the forwards and the weak D zone positional coverage by the team collectively haven't helped either. This team simply isn't getting it done in any of the three zones right now. That has to change quickly.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:22 am EST

My take on last night (and some on the first 3 games) Last night you could argue that it may have been Lundqvists and McD's worst career nights. As someone pointed out, the Rangers (and most teams) play team D, its hard for the Dmen and the goalie to do it alone...but there were mistakes made that were not normal for this team or the players making them. also last night they seemed off for the second game in a row. perhaps its because there hasn't been a stable lineup yet. As for the season and the 3 games so far. I didn't get to see the first two period of game 1 due to driving, so for 2 games and 1 period of watching I see some things. First, Duclair is a keeper...cant bee live they got him in the 3rd round. He has gotten better every period over the last 2 games it seems, and even though I KNOW he isn't very big, he does really well against much bigger Dmen. Stepniak I was hopeful about, but he has at least early on surpassed what I was hoping for. If he can keep it up what a great signing. Its only 3 games of course so it could be a flash in the pan type thing. Nash, different player, looks faster, and more confident than anytime I can remember. On a more negative note. Both keepers started out this season unsteady. Talbot looked good last night after he got put in, seemed to get stronger as the game went on, made some big saves late in garbage time. Also, Miller, its time he steps up, he has left me wondering why he is playing more than he has me liking what I see. I almost feel like they should shop him around, with some other younger player(s) who may be redundant and see if they can land a bigger center who is further along, or even another Dman...not sure, but I am getting worried that Miller has reached his peak, and if this is all he has got, they need to get him moved on. He will be passed on the depth chart by other young players soon, Hayes will pass him it seems like, if he hasn't already in some peoples minds.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 13 2014 8:21 am EST

Stevie- A lot of talk about the lines. I think the biggest problem is that we aren't movnig the puck well enough -- even remotely -- out from our own end. I mean, especially against CBJ that was the problem but it cost us a ton of goals last night too. This was our biggest weakness by far last season. This year: Stralman out, Hunwick in. Its showing!

Ola


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:37 am EST

And to comment on lines. Here is what I would like to see on Tuesday. KREIDER-MSL-NASH, MALONE-BRASSARD-MZA, DUCLAIR-HAYES-STEMPNIAK, MILLER-MOORE-GLASS. If MZA can't go then I would like to see HAGGERTY brought up to play either on the 2nd line in MZA's spot, or on the 3rd line in STEMPNIAK's spot while moving STEMPNIAK up to play in MZA's place. I actually think a kid line of DUCLAIR-HAYES-HAGGERY might be very effective. DUCLAIR and HAGGERY can fly and HAYES is a really nice playmaker.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:27 am EST

I also wanted to comment on the some general things about the team. Not much is working well right now. I'm confident that will change over time but I just don't think the Rangers can afford to waste too much of the early part of this season. The East has gotten better. Some good teams are going to miss the playoffs in the East. The Rangers had a good deal of turnover this offseason so it is normal to expect an adjustment period. However, of all of the things not working right now the one that concerns me most is the play of the D. That unit has 5 of the 6 back from last year and it has looked awful so far through 3 games. Last night's effort was the worst yet. GIRARDI and McDONAGH were terrible. No other way to describe it. If I had to pick a "best defender" from last night's game it would be HUNWICK. What does that say? Much of the problem on the back line is related to what is happening with the forward lines. The Rangers, when playing their A game, are a swarming puck control team. They may not have size (and didn't last year either) but they made up for it by being so quick to the puck that the other team was constantly off balance and forced to chase them around. Right now the Rangers look small because they are being beaten to the puck in all three zones. When they do get the puck they are not supporting each other well. This comes from running around chasing the puck in the first place. There is too much thinking and not enough instinctive, high tempo play. You would think that this would be coming from the Rookies but it isn't. It is coming from the Vets in most cases. Right now the Rangers have one effective line. After 3 games the line of KREIDER-MSL-NASH has played well and has looked in sync, although MSL is lacking as a Center and the Rangers are paying for it in the defensive end. Other then that the three remaining lines look disjointed at best. BRASSARD, MZA, HAGS and MOORE have not played well. I see people killing a rookie 4th line winger in FAST but there have been few comments about the veterans who are supposed to be the core of the team. STEMPNIAK has been the Rangers best player outside of the first line. GLASS has done nothing except throw some checks. If the team is struggling (and it is) the players that need to answer the bell are BRASSARD, MZA and HAGS. Those 3 were expected to outplay any of the kids and so far they haven't. DUCLAIR has been better then those 3. I would argue that HAYES did more offensively as a Center in his first NHL game last night then BRASSARD has done in the 3 games he has played total. MZA is trying to play like LUCIC instead of playing like the skilled player he is supposed to be. HAGS looks lost and out of place. He doesn't even look fast right now because he is late in reacting to everything. And worst of all, the coach does not see that his team needs more balance and needs to initiate physical play instead of trying to avoid it.

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 7:03 am EST

Not to jump on you HOSPO but I find it curious that you singled out HAYES after last night's game. It was his first NHL game, and I saw a lot of things I really like about it. He had several good shifts. I saw him fall awkwardly once when he lost an edge. I saw him watching the play on the KADRI goal when he should have collapsed down to support GIRARDI and McDONAGH when both of them stupidly decided to go behind the net and leave KADRI open. Other then that I didn't see anything negative to comment on. I loved the way he powered through a check on the boards in one shift. I loved the way he made some slick passes and controlled the puck when he had it. He went to the net and had a great scoring chance but couldn't elevate the puck. He was far from invisible. Would he benefit from playing some in the AHL? I'm sure he would. Does he look out of place at the NHL level? Not to me. I don't care what he looks like when he skates. The key for me is can he keep up with the play and is he strong enough on his skates. I haven't seen any evidence that he can't keep up with the play or that he is knocked off the puck easily. What did you see that caused you to come to the conclusion you did?

Vic


Mon Oct 13 2014 6:15 am EST

kid k st Louis nash...zucc brass duke.....hag miller stempi....glass moore Malone.....try that coach .....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:42 am EST

“If there’s a team loss, this is one of them. From head on down, we didn’t perform or execute well with or without the puck. “I don’t have a reason or any explanation right now,” Vigneault added. “We obviously believe and know we can perform a lot better than we did tonight.” - See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/sports/leafs-chase-henrik-lundqvist-rip-rangers-6-3-1.1107878#sthash.tDi5Ga4L.dpuf....do you know who the head is?....mirror mirror.....that's not Spanish or French.....and no practice today, and the fishstink tomorrow.....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 5:18 am EST

“We didn’t perform well with or without the puck,” Vigneault said, “and that’s why we got the result we did.”..bs....your lines are a mess, that's why......you might need until December to figure it out?....more bs......

stevielegs


Mon Oct 13 2014 1:04 am EST

I'd say glass is doing his job, as was Boyle prior to injury.

Messier11


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:50 am EST

I thought Hayes showed some poise considering the entire team was imploding around him. Rough first game in the NHL for anyone, I don't care who you are. He deserves at least as many games as Miller and Fast have had before he gets sent down. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:21 am EST

Hopefully the anointment of Ryan McDonagh doesn't throw his game off too much now that he has the big spot light on him and the added pressures of being the Captain. Last year, after Cally was traded, BR took over the reigns and the Dmen didn't need to worry about anything but playing as a solid 3 pair unit. Now McDonagh has to be involved in all facets of the franchise.

TradeStar28


Mon Oct 13 2014 12:16 am EST

Rangers lost some of the Rangers culture from 2013-14. Brad Richards - Pouilot - Brian Boyle - Anton Stralman. All 4 guys played from 80-82 regular season games and had a defined roll. The new NY Rangers are here to fill the gaps and the only two who are competing are Duclair and Stemp (as mentioned by numerous posters here). I am sure the Rangers will right the ship.....but these last two games shows that this team has a jigsaw puzzle and need to assemble it a lot better......and quickly.

TradeStar28


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:49 pm EST

BOB - SO, Is that what I said or are we playing "Bob jumps to conclusions" again??...To summarize again, everything I've seen from pre-season and Tonight tells me HAYES aiin't ready for steady NHL work...and he could benefit greatly from AHL experience..As for MILLLER and FAST. no argument there. AllI think they are ready for is 4th line WIng and in Fast case, I'd rather not have him at all..But hey, they're young, play them!

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:17 pm EST

Stempniak is seeming like a pleasant surprise

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:06 pm EST

Hayes isn't ready for the NHL? Based on tonight? Really? Heck, he is playing out of place as a center. If that is the case, John Moore has never been ready for the NHL. Jesper Fast and JT Miller are not ready for the NHL. Hell, Girardi and McDonagh were brutal tonight, much worse than any of these 3. I would rather see Hrivik or Haggerty up than Fast, and if Lindberg would have done anything but shat the bed at training camp, he might have been here instead of Hayes. Lombardi and Malone have failed to impress the coach, so they are scratched or gone. Who else is there? I also think that the Rangers will pay Staal $6MM for 6, but he is not worth that. They have nobody to replace him with.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:50 pm EST

Hospo, the answer scored the OT winner tonight in Hartford. And Jesus Christ cant tell me we wouldnt be getting more from Haggerty, a kid who plays the game with some MFing FIRE, than this piece of white bread Fast. But just like I wouldnt scapegoat JT Miller (and even Stemkowski on radio noted his invisibility) nor can I with the other kids. I gavent cared for Hayes game from the first time I saw him, but anytime you give up 5 unanswered goals in your home opener, youve got some other issues. The kids are just that; struggling with the game. Not the first, not the last. But these also arent 48-yr old Valeri Kamenskys. These kids - of some kids - can surprise the hell out of you. Beat the Isles Tuesday. Theyll be 2-2 with 78 to play.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:24 pm EST

And even in a skating game like tonight, and building on observations from the pre-season, it's obvious to me HAYES isn't ready for the NHL (unless it's a team willing to lose) and can stand some learning in the AHL........But, the Rangers are gonna have to find some way to fight thru the Stepan injury..I don't know the answer..but I also don't think Hayes and Miller are part of the answer

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:09 pm EST

Nothing changed from last night...Team and lines are a mess...Little chemistry..Little plan...Lays at the feet of AV, nobody else...Will this team turn it around? Yes..How soon? Not sure...Same guys impressed as last night..STEMP and DUCLAIR..hardly anybody else....MILLER is lost.....Same refrain from last night....Play MALONE, Move MIller to 4th Line WING..Sit Fast..

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:40 pm EST

A wake up call for sure.....Nothing good to say about it....Rangers just weren't into this game....McD was as bad as I have seen him....Free Ryan Malone...

PJ


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:36 pm EST

Cant be happy but cant freak.....yet. 3 special teams goals beat you most any night. You add Zuccarello, Stepan, Boyle and HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY Malone, still think we are a pretty good team. D zone coverage blows, bad bounces and one of Hank's worst. Wont all happen too often. Here come the Isles, who now have a goalie & some D. Great.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:09 pm EST

He needs to keep making babies to score more

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:08 pm EST

Oopps...4 goals, 3 games. Too bad 3/4's of the rest of the forwards can't generate shit offensively.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:06 pm EST

ooh...I know - left to be with his extremely pregnant wife. Understandable...and 3 goals, 4 games. Nice!

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:03 pm EST

So what happened to Nash????

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:03 pm EST

Agreed Duclair looked good - maybe the best Ranger on the ice. That isn't saying much because most sucked.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:59 pm EST

At least we're consistent, we suck at home openers.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:56 pm EST

Rhet his family is here... Missing 3-4 starters not good... Prince gets the shutout ....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:53 pm EST

Duclair looked like the one guy tonight that had no quit in him.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:52 pm EST

And of course, right after I type that, Kreider gets a good wrist shot on goal!!

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:51 pm EST

JFC..... on a night like tonight, I can say that about almost the whole team :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:50 pm EST

He hasn't been a factor....not really noticeable.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:47 pm EST

I wouldn't exactly say invisible. He has 6 shots on goal and an assist. Though not his best game.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:46 pm EST

Stempniak has been a tremendous signing so far.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:44 pm EST

Kreider has been invisible this game

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:42 pm EST

My lines for Tuesday night (if Zuc is still out)..... Kreider-MSL-Nash..... Duclair-Brassard-Malone.... Hags-Hayes-Stemp.... Glass-Moore-Miller

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:39 pm EST

Duclair has stood out consistently in all 3 games so far....he manages to make moves, carry the puck, hold onto the puck, make good passes, he shot a laser off the crossbar, he stripped a puck and had a breakaway.....this is more than other young players (particularly JT) have been able to do so early in their NHL,careers.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:39 pm EST

BRASSARD IS PLAYING!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:37 pm EST

I'm ALWAYS embarrassed when the Rangers get "owned" especially in their own home. That said, this team has a LOT of new players, new lines, and basically a new coach and assistant coach. I'm leaning more towards the theory that it's too early to get this crazy. Patience is a virtue most Ranger Fans (including me) don't have, but I think we're going to have to find some. I'm still remembering that we sucked coming out of the gate last year too.

WIOSA


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:34 pm EST

On the Bright side Klein and Staal finally seem to be clicking and Talbot looks much better tonight :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:25 pm EST

At least they are skating hard this period. It's always the same criteria with me....I don't overreact to losing as long as the effort is there. But tonight, they weren't skating hard, weren't moving their feet....they had no legs. Last night, they just weren't sharp and the chemistry with the lines needs work. But tonight, only a few guys (the young ones) looked like they had any intensity.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:22 pm EST

RF, couldnt agree with you more. this team is way to soft. I FUCKIN HATE IT. AV get your head out of your ass. Speed isn't everything. the team is lazy too. all they do is stick work against the opposition take a couple more stride and get the body on the other player. how is team that is supposed to be fast get beat to every puck.

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:19 pm EST

I don't get what AV sees in Fast.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:15 pm EST

Hayes centering St. Louis and Duke to start the third,

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:14 pm EST

This is very ugly.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:13 pm EST

No Nash, we're sunk.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:08 pm EST

Forgot to mention today that the Lightning are rumored to be shopping Eric Brewer. Not that we're interested.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:07 pm EST

Watched this leaf team play their last 2 games . Last night especially they were embarrassing to watch (if you are a Leaf fan) which many of my family and friends are. Guess it's a combination of the Rangers not playing well for 6 or 7 shifts , also a few bad penalties and some shitty luck on Hanks end and the Leafs realizing that if they don' t get their butts in gear they will be lynched here in Canada !

caperanger


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:59 pm EST

We're on pace for 355 GA's.... (4.333 per game) and theres another period to play... woohoo

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:56 pm EST

Jim.Its time to put Malone in and they need to make a room for undertaker too !!!!

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:54 pm EST

I hate the softness of this team. HATE it.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:54 pm EST

JFC31.This group will get it together at some point hopefully sooner rather than later !!!

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:52 pm EST

Again. There are a lot of new players on this team and chemistry will take time. It's no wonder that the first line is doing well, they all know each other. Still, we need to win some games by smoke and mirrors despite that. Too many guys had a no show tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:52 pm EST

They were undisciplined yesterday and they are undisciplined tonight.....the penalties they are getting are keeping them from developing any flow and the penalties are undisciplined penalties.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:46 pm EST

Embarrassing! No one with chemistry except Marty & Nash.

rngrsans


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:45 pm EST

Put tom hanks in

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:45 pm EST

Hank basically gave up on this game after the 5'th goal pretty much !!!

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:45 pm EST

Sh!t hockey from the goal out! They are not moving their legs, they are getting beat to pucks, they look SLOW! No excuse for this crap.

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:44 pm EST

Its Jim time :)

ilya


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:43 pm EST

Rangers SUCK!!!

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:42 pm EST

Pull hank

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:42 pm EST

Hank must be having flashbacks of last years contract negotiations.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:41 pm EST

Yank Hank!!!!

Shaggy


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:41 pm EST

Come on Hank.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:41 pm EST

Put the lines back from last year with replacement parts stop the reinventing of the wheel

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:40 pm EST

That ref conversation went like this.... "if we overturn it, we won't be getting out of here alive"

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:39 pm EST

Stempi wack

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:37 pm EST

The net was intentionally pushed off it's moorings.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:36 pm EST

stevie: For sure - can't float 'on the road due to MSG renos' this year. They look terrible. All across the board.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:35 pm EST

Rhet: Don't disagree, but this team is soft when it comes to hitting. The Leafs, who are no longer a physical presence, are out-hitting them.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:33 pm EST

This is a diaster disgrace tonight.... Back to 2013 start with more excuses...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:31 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh's game has imploded tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:31 pm EST

McD is not having a good night.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:30 pm EST

Hank, I know you haven't gotten a lot of help, but you haven't been very good tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:29 pm EST

They really need to get Duclair some talented wings to play with.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:28 pm EST

King is queen for a day ... Call marteeeeeeeee

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:28 pm EST

So far this season, Brassard looks like he's retired after getting the big contract.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:27 pm EST

First 20 are gonna be rough

barto


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:27 pm EST

RF4L.... Sorry to disagree with you, but those last 2 goals had nothing to do with being soft. IMO, they were the result of boneheaded plays on defense.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:26 pm EST

Rhet: Miller looks horrible. And he looks like an AV protégé - he doesn't like to hit, even when presented with glorious opportunities.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:25 pm EST

Is Brassard playing?

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:24 pm EST

What's going on with McDonagh and Girardi on D? Geesh. JT Miller still looks lost at times on defense.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:24 pm EST

I'm getting abused here by a myriad of Leafs fans...deservedly so. Outhit, out-goaltended, out-played and out-scored. Horrible. So soft. Embarassing.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:23 pm EST

Rangers SUCK!

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:20 pm EST

Dickaletti is a dick

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:20 pm EST

What was McDonagh thinking there?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:15 pm EST

Moof looking for my multiplication and division tables ... After game will be official number... After baby hat trick ...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:12 pm EST

The top line has 5 goals on the young season, the rest of the team has scored just one.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:09 pm EST

I dont like the balance. does anybody hit other than glass? Defenders look out of position and slow. chasing the puck often

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:09 pm EST

MSL is 4 of 5 on faceoffs tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:06 pm EST

Legs: Phoning a friend? :-)

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:55 pm EST

Nash & MSL have some good chemistry... That's 4 for Nash.. Hey Math-Legs, what's he on pace for? Warm up your abacus. :->

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:51 pm EST

RICK NASH

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:51 pm EST

Nasheroo

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:48 pm EST

Clarkson broken face needs more broken pos that he is

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:46 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏..... GOAL!!!!!!! Lindberg wins it for the Wolf Pack in OT!!!! 4-3 WOLF PACK!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:40 pm EST

Just got back from the Jets game....good thing my son and I root for the Broncos!....and I see that Zucc is out but STILL they don't put Malone in.....against a so-so skating team like Toronto, this would have been a good chance to get him in there. Hmmmm.....

JFC31


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:28 pm EST

Duclair needs to play with more talented line mates.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:12 pm EST

I normally love this HNIC type stuff with the small town hockey, but why does the Rangers game ceremonies have to be blacked out for something like this? I just don't get this blackout stuff!

ColoradoMark


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:47 pm EST

If fast is out because of his forearm he should not have played last night ....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:47 pm EST

Nash and Hayes in warmups

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:46 pm EST

Zipay: Malone scratched, Fast out (forearm)

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:44 pm EST

Looks like VEENYO ipened one eye every line changed

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:36 pm EST

Rhet only 2 teams reach the finals it's an accomplishment to be proud of and to motivate more

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:30 pm EST

Rhet; you should see a doctor

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:30 pm EST

Stevie....JMO, but I am of the opinion that you only raise banners when you win a championship. Nothing else matters.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:29 pm EST

Malone's playing tonight and you heard it here first!!! #pulling opinions out of my a$$ for over 20 years

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:29 pm EST

Is the banner already raised instead of being raised tonight? Why?

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:26 pm EST

AV says maybe Malone.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:06 pm EST

Have we discussed pairing the LHS Hunwick with Staal on the 2nd pair and dropping Klein back to 3rd pair with JMoore? (I think not) .... And a JT Miller recap: 1) leave him at 3rd line center 2) drop him to 4th line center & promote DMoore to 3rd line center 3) move him to wing with Brassard & Zucc or 4th line with Glass / Moore 4) send him back to the AHL with a vial of zoloft to work out the jitters 5) package him in a trade ........... Did someone say trade ? :-) .... TD: Buff's CODY HODGSON looks good, signed for four more after this season at $4.25 mill, RHS, seams like he's similar to our Derek Stepan... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6585

mf


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:59 pm EST

Glass had another five hits last night. At this pace, he'd finish with 410 on the year

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:59 pm EST

Glass had another five hits last night. At this pace, he'd finish with 410 on the year

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:42 pm EST

I don't kiow, maybe JFC had a point about Sather-AV-Malone....Tonight agasint the skating Leafs is as good as a time as any to play Hayes...He'll get eaten up against solid checking teams (JMWO)

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:25 pm EST

Veenyo will put fast back in before Malone

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:20 pm EST

Zuc game time decision. Half the guys suck. Other half banged up or expecting. If Malone cant get in tonight idk...

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:20 pm EST

Zuc game time decision. Half the guys suck. Other half banged up or expecting. If Malone cant get in tonight idk...

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:15 pm EST

If no nash Malone should be put in . Or sit glass ...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 4:11 pm EST

Hayes debut tonight. Other changes pending pervAV. Nash's wife giving birth could be another.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 3:27 pm EST

Gross speculating that Hayes in for Fast tonight and other than the King in for Talbot (which was announced earlier this week) that's it for lineup changes, meaning Malone will sit again.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 3:15 pm EST

RR: Yeah, and in those 58 games, he's put up a rather pedestrian total f 5 goals and 10 points (which pro-rated over a full season is 8 goals and 15 points). I've probably seen about 1/4 of those games and from what I've observed of his play so far (including against the Blues on Thursday), those numbers seem appropriate. That said, I get the notion that he needs to be given a role and left there for several games, not yanked all over the place, which kind of describes his career since turning pro. Some consistency is desperately needed and it should start with the coaches and management.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:29 pm EST

No, wait. I knew it. Miller's got 58 NHL regular season games and 4 PO games. I was adding up his goals. Well, then, I'm as impatient as ever LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:26 pm EST

I'm actually amazed looking up JT'S career numbers; He's only credited with 5 regular season games, 4 PO contests. So tonight will be only his 10th NHL game. Wow. He's been up with the team for longer stretches but man, coulda sworn he was around 30 games or so already. Yeah, guess some patience is in order LOL. I'm more impatient with our coach right now anyway. I concentrate my fire there.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:22 pm EST

Kitchen: If we all relaxed there would be no wall.

stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 12 2014 2:10 pm EST

It's 2 games people. RELAX. My goodness!!

kitchen1


Sun Oct 12 2014 1:42 pm EST

Controlling your emotions and bringing your best is part of being a pro. I can give JT a few games to shake the nervousness, but then he's gotta man up. Inhibitions and excuses and all that, the AHL is full of guys like that.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 1:10 pm EST

If McIlrath is more reliable defensively than Klein, we have a problem.

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 12:57 pm EST

I have the simple answer regarding MILLER... the kid is trying too damn hard. Period. End of Story. He's gonna' be a solid Ranger for along time, watch.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 12:54 pm EST

I like J.MOORE, but let's be real', he has been pretty poor so far. I think he would definitely come out of his shell & play more aggressive if paired with MCILLRATH.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:47 am EST

Jeff Gorton said they told JT directly and forcefully this is his chance. Reasonable to assume if he flunks out he won't be used. Whether that means a trip to Hartford or an mother team doesn't interest me much, unless we're getting a healthy return. Its also logical AV is using this time as a weeding out process. Bad news is when guys aren't cutting it it hurts us, and we suck lol. The whole Fast fascination is wearing on me too.kid looked stronger in.camp but back to a timid Bambi once the games count? Can't say. 2 games, and he nearly lost an arm in one of them. Its always easy to critique from behind a keyboard.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:21 am EST

Could AV be using the beginning games to check out players yet? they have a lot of good players and same type of players. Maybe he is still trying out players. Like if Miller doesn't fit his ideas he will be traded?

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:20 am EST

Couple things to address. 1st no way do I want fatso in a Ranger sweater. He may help but I still don't want that fuck on this team. 2nd, Miller has done nothing , NOTHING to warrant being on the first or second line, 3rd Fast is invisible. He doesn't hurt but he doesn't help need play makers.Enough about the Duke going back down to Jr. the kid has earned the time he makes plays. the game will start slowing down for him.Keep him with Nash. Put Kreider with Brassard. Bring in Malone and sit fast. problem becomes who sits when step comes back. Leads me to next move. Package JT miller Maybe Hags and something else and get a good center. Get big Mc into the team. this is not a speed skating sport no more apollo onnos(sp) on the team. This team needs a mix.

KIS


Sun Oct 12 2014 11:15 am EST

As I see it they need about 20 games to see where their at. I thought mills looked tenative all night and Talbot looked weak in the crease. If hank was in would've been a different outcome I think. As they tinker their gonna need hank to steal a few. Hopefully they try Malone rangers are to small.

barto


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:59 am EST

Not one to kick a dog while he's down, but last night was a perfect example of what others said: both that Staal isn't expendable and that Klein has no business being above the third pairing.

Messier11


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:18 am EST

Hunwick played 17 mins. Didnt look terrible - on his off side. Thats good news considering we have no one else the coach will use. Im downgrading the window for Miller to show something, anything, from 25-40 games to 10-15. Not lookin to argue TD. Just been seeing the same meh game from this kid for two years on & off. Give him 10 games on, same position, same everything. But he needs to show something. He should put his shoulder down and bulled his way to the net last night like a hockey player. I hate that Peggy Fleming b.s. I knew Lindberg was better. Hayes might be too. Tick tock, J.T.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:17 am EST

Well they are 1-1 and should rightfully be 0-2. We'll see what happens tonight. The loss of Stepan has been disruptive, as has the loss of Pouliot based on the player AV has chosen to replace him. I would move Duke up with Nash and put Kreider with Brassard.

Bob


Sun Oct 12 2014 10:11 am EST

Street festival today from noon to six pm. In front of the garden. Should be a fun way to kick off the new Rangers season.

rangerlou


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:42 am EST

TDCHI - Don't give me that garbage....nobody brought up doom and gloom but you...All anybody else is doing is critiquing what they have been able to see so far and not liking it given what the Rangers have...And giving helpful suggestions.....I don't know, I thought many people were predicting very big things from the Rangers and still are...Get Malone on the top 9, get Nash and Ducair together, Get Miller on the 4th line, Get Fast outta there..let the lines play together and things will work well...

Hospo


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:32 am EST

the king looked like the queen last season in the beginning, so it's the prince being the maiden already....not buying it or the over-reaction to him......especially how the team was playing in front of him.....I have no problem sitting, fast, j moore, and miller tonight....after all it's pre real season still......

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 9:18 am EST

TD: Sounds like are you suggesting the same thing as the rest of us...line-up is too small essentially and needs more toughness. The Talbot thing shouldn't be under-estimated if he's in the process of showing the world that it wasn't a fluke after all that he was never drafted and spent x number of years in the minors. I hope that's not the case - his was one of the better feel-good stories from last year.

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:50 am EST

Love the early-season wall and the pessimism thereof. Rangers played alright. They just faced an opponent that is firing on all cylinders. Guys, relax with the doom and gloom already. They lost their top center and PP specialist within two weeks of each other. Gonna be a tough start. I don't think anyone played awful last night. They just didn't have the tenacity to match a very young, very talented and very determined BJs team...some thoughts: MSL in the center..the experiment is over. End it now. Either move BRASSARD between NASH and KREIDER or give MILLER a shot there...DUCLAIR- find a spot for him in the top 6 or send him back to juniors. Get HAYES or MALONE in for FAST. We need the size and not the speed...and don't dress two lefties on the same defensive pairing. Either play KOSTKA or send him down for MCILRATH. 1-1 guys. Still 80 games left to play.

tdchi


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:47 am EST

Lots of thinks to chat about from yesterday's game, but 2 things stand out: The Rangers got pushed around (again) and Talbot sucked (again). Both are concerning and the repercussions each present, if not addressed, could be quite serious. Regarding the lack of physicality - one of the primary reasons AV doesn't have a cup on his resume is due to his Canucks being physically intimidated by the Bruins in the cup final, to the point where asshole Marchand was allowed to punch a Sedin in the face with no response from a single Canuck. Why AV seems to enjoy his players get physically abused is beyond me. It's frustrating to watch and dangerous to allow. If Malone isn't dressed tonight (not that the Leafs are going to try to run the Rangers thru the boards - they have their own significant amount of issues right now), Sather should interfere. Talbot had better get his head out of his ass, lest his NHL career come to an abrupt end - Desjardins is waiting in Hartford. And Uncle Daddy is waiting in Montreal...

RF4L


Sun Oct 12 2014 8:25 am EST

Loser's refrain, a bounce here , a bounce there. But true I liked their battle level. They looked like hyena on that goal mouth scramble. BUT when youre talkin about abuse, that can affect weeks, months, careers. Not good. AV needs his head out of his ass asap. With Maline & Hayes we'll look like a different team. Best news is Stemp. Fits perfectly with this team. Considering how Lombardi turned out, pretty lucky in that regard.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Oct 12 2014 7:20 am EST

and if he really believes in speed, then start making decisions a lot faster....he can start with Fast.....and who is the right guy to take poo's spot.....stempi, Malone, kid k ? ...leave duke éclair with Nash and st Louis ?.....veenyo has to be the fastest.....open your eyes and see the spots , instead of seeing spots from eyes wide shut.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:22 am EST

Lb repeating opinions from here. The problems will be solved. If VEENYO can't find spots for Malone and Hayes and possibly kostka , then he's part of the problem just like he was early last season. Way too many kids on this roster who lack the experience and knowledge of how they have to play in the NHL .... Guess they can't translate what St. Louis preaches .... Right now this is not a team with the right mental attitudes to succeed : and physically too... Start checking and finnishing them or go sit in the sky box .... And all the rest of the little details needed to win...: it's early but the coach needs to use his 23 man roster to find his mojo . 20 is not going to cut it. But he'll probably play the same lineup tonight because he hasn't had a practice with his blue aces taking the black sheep spots ...:bringing 60 guys and not cutting fast enough in camp causes this bs... Wasting points in the beginning of the season is a bad concept.... The coach helped leave 2 points in Columbus . I hope he left his hard head helmet there too...just what did he learn from the finals? ...: teams will slow down speed just by leaning on them .... The key is fighting thru it .... Not just thinking talking and watching videos .... If the coach didn't learn enough lessons then this team won't ..... They all lost the cup including VEENYO and his crew....right now he seems to be testing the patience of most.... Blame nash richards et al but he's the one who doled out ice times and making lines....there's no free ride even for him ...it's the pp stupid....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 12 2014 6:05 am EST

Also, last night was a mess on so many levels. They came out flat, shakey goaltending, got physically pushed around, did not win loose puck battles, very biased officiating, etc. ... all that being said, the boys definitely deserved to lose, ... "BUT" it is a completely different game if DUCLAIR's laser beam off the crossbar finds its way in (that shot was a blur, this kid has an insanely quick release, I could barely track it on DVR replay, WOW!!!), ... and if ST.LOUIS burries that feed from NASH right on the door step it might have changed momentum. Terrible performance overall, but I was encouraged by some of the pressure they applied, just not enough & a very inconsistent effort.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 5:47 am EST

I have not had a chance to catch up on the wall's assessment of the game yet, but obviously I'm sure there has been a lot of discussion about line combos/chemistry. 2 quick thoughts/observations. If the BRASSARD/ZUCCARELLO line is still looking for a POULIOT type, STEMPNIAK sure looked the part last night. That was a "Benny" type of game he played. Secondly, it has been obvious since the pre season that DUCLAIR & NASH have had instant chemistry together. AV needs to find a way to put/keep those guys together.

hipcheck


Sun Oct 12 2014 12:25 am EST

And last but not least.....they refs last night should all be ashamed of themselves. Third period , score 3-1 with 13:47 left in game and net mouth scramble in front of BJ's goalie.........Prout comes in and crosschecks Staal right in the goddamn back with the fuckin stupid ref looking right at it....then Prout turns around and Prout crosschecks Hagelin right in the fuckin #'s on the back of his jersey. I would bet that even if the Rangers did play McIlrath....he would blow on someone by the crease and get called for it. Goodnight, fuck the refs

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:34 pm EST

If the Rangers wanna dress a prima donna team that "kills" teams with their speed....they better have much better puck possession and kill them with fuggin goals.

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:33 pm EST

Wow. 2 games in. LOL! Lots at stake for RF4L tomorrow, his second favorite team comes in to the garden.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:30 pm EST

Sather SUCKS! AV is starting to SUCK!!!

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:24 pm EST

Anytime you win a championship or went to to the finals other teams will play you with snarl rangers got to realize that its gonna be tough other teams will gear up for you , we've seen teams struggle year after being to going to the finals !!!!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:24 pm EST

Cant stand guys like Jesper Fast and JT Miller.....there is zero consistency with their play. U have no clue what they hell they bring to the table at the NHL level. And with Fast wearing #19 i can only think of Brad Richards.....and as much as we would dog Colorado Mark's adopted son.....atleast BR had some timely goals and an above average NHL skill set. Jesper Fast blows balls.

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:12 pm EST

One thing about Zucc, he is getting knocked around, but he iis also putting himself in the postion to..seems like he's being over aggressive for some reason..He has nothing to prove, juts play hius regular game..

Hospo


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:10 pm EST

Cam Failbot. Rangers were outplayed to the puck and tried to play cute all night.Need a big body mucker on line with MZA and Brass....Malone fits the bill but Coach AV begs to differ.

TradeStar28


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:10 pm EST

It's obvious the Rangers are a fast team, faster than most....So team will be trying to slow them down..That means hitting as well as grabbing, tripping, whatever..This will result in PPs but also injuries..unless they are dissuaded from doing this by PP success or a few players that won't take any shit..Neither have been apparent in the first two games..

Hospo


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:09 pm EST

Our Room.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:08 pm EST

Refs gift wrapped first PP and it just became one those ugly games we've all seen too many of over the years. I wont dwell on negativity, but obviously defending & protecting vital players, make that ALL players, cant be compromised yet now its totally compromised. Zuc isnt sneaking up on anyone this year. Two games and hes been knocked around heavily in both. Cant be. Guy is the key to our offense, our toom, the whole effin thing. Malone time yet coach? He was a good enough skater to score 20+ 6 times. One big positive is theyre trying to play at a championship pace. Lines are a mess and its sloppy early season hockey. But this team expects to play a fierce pace. Miller had an open lane and opted for a 40-ft wrister. Not how you stick.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:05 pm EST

Rhet: McDonough is right. Kudos to him tho for saying it. But he's not saying anything we all don't already know. Hopefully he's not still sayomgbit in 6 weeks!!

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:47 pm EST

That looked like the *second* game of a back-to-back! Props to McD for that end to end rush where he blew around one of the BJ left D.

LeoS


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:30 pm EST

The worst thing SATHER could have done was give Brassard that big contract, making him just about untradable. MZA showing why he is not worth a big contract, and I still feel Haggerty should be on this team. Miller needs to be sent down and St. Louis needs to wake up. Why does it always seem that only the Rangers can never lift the puck and always shoot directly at the goalie pads?

Higgy21


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:27 pm EST

I also forgot to mention that this was another game where I would have loved to have the presence of DM in the lineup. I'm going to need to stop mentioning it because AV seems to have a bug up his ass about DM. The Rangers desperately need a force like him in the lineup. Teams are going to play the Rangers as physically as they can because that is where the Rangers are weakest. AV needs to realize this because it is open season on the Rangers skill players right now and several of them aren't going to make it through the year at this pace.

Vic


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:22 pm EST

This was one of those "burn the tape" games for me. They came out flat, TALBOT was shaky and the officiating was pretty bad all night. I'm still wondering why PROUT wasn't called for anything during the scrum early in the 3rd if I recall correctly. He dished out two viscous cross-checks to STALL and HAGS in plain view of both officials. The officiating went against the Rangers all night but they didn't play well enough to win anyway. HUNWICK was fine. KLEIN and STAAL were on the ice for most of the goals against and I thought STAAL had some good and bad moments. KLEIN had mostly bad moments. STEMPNIAK with another strong game and DUKE played well in the second half of the game. MILLER played better tonight. FAST was very good defensively but most here don't seem to notice. Nobody here liked HAGS with MZA and BRASSARD the second it was announced and hopefully we have seen the last of that line. I knew finding a replacement for POULIOT would be a big issue for this team and his absence would hurt the other two. I don't like KREIDER in that spot either because KREIDER is better suited to a more skilled game. You need someone big that is going to crash the boards and wreak havoc in front of the net. KREIDER is better with the puck and in space. MALONE should be on that line and we all know it except AV. I continue to be against the MSL Center experiment. This team just looks so disjointed right now. They need to clean things up soon because the competition in the East is going to be much better then it has been in the past.

Vic


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:16 pm EST

I'll start with the positives.....Stemp and Duclair, the kid knows how to play the game. And with talent. Not much more after that...Other youngsters aren't impressing...the lines are a mess (KREIDER's penalties added to that)..and even the vets are playing selfish games with their heads up their ass (I.e., MZA)..A lot of this stems from AV and having his lines nowhere near ready for the season...AND, oh yeah, MALONE doesn't fit on this team...Not if you want to get pushed around and taken advantage of....The invisible Fast played his part well again..

Hospo


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:06 pm EST

I was not impressed with Klein. Seemed to be Columbus players left alone in front of our net a lot when he was out there. Would love to see McIlrath get a sniff but Kostka was already chosen instead of him. I just don't think he is AV's type of player.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:57 pm EST

Colo.Mark.., understood. I am so tired of seeing this Club being outmatched physically nite in and out. I don't expect Staal or Girardi, who I have not cared for since the Gabby drive-by, to be headhunting crease cleaners, but please put a body into an opposing player during your shifts! I can see no logical reasoning based on the last 2 games why Big Mac should not be in the line-up going forward. I hate the fact that Zucc and Kreider have fought. I will say though, that I don't believe AV will stick with the current line-upfor long. Step returning won't change that either. The template to play this Club is not"common core" confusing for sure.

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:54 pm EST

I'm not liking Miller as Duke's center. I think Kreider needs to play with Brass and Zucc, and Duke with Marty and Nash. Hags fits in nicely with Stemp and Miller (for now) and that balances out the lines. The Brass/Zucc combo is hindered by Hags on the line.

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:41 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh spoke after the Rangers loss against Columbus and said “I think we got away with one in St. Louis not playing our best and it won’t happen too often in this league where you can play your B game and it showed tonight. They were beating us in puck battles, forcing us with their pressure, we couldn’t manage the puck well and it cost us.” McDonagh added, “It is a process but we play strong in our own end and 4 goals tonight are D zone coverage stuff and working off that and coverage in front of the net and that stuff is a staple of our team usually and it’s disappointing to see that as a main cause. We need to shore that up.” Asked about tomorrow against the Leafs, McDonagh added, “we need to bring our A game, we can’t settle for these non-execution games.”

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:38 pm EST

PA- I want the Undertaker in the lineup tomorrow in place of Moore, but I think Staal had a real edge to his game and I was referring to the "Trade Staal for Methot" discussion we had a while back.

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:25 pm EST

Colo.Mark.., I am a big fan of your posts but in regards to Staal and snarl? I am still looking. Bring on THE UNDERTAKER! Somebody is gonna get hurt here very soon. And for those bashing Talbot? Really!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:17 pm EST

We're out of 4 way deals, & Nash and Staal are officially off the trade block. And BTW, I purposely pushed for Bobby Ryan to ensure he'd get signed away (sure) ...

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:14 pm EST

Steve Valiquette just stated that his favorite goali growing up was Terry Sawchuk! Wha? Sawchuk played in the 50's and 60's. Valiquette was born in '77. C'mon Steve, cut the bullish!t! LOL!

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:11 pm EST

If Talbot cant get it done , SLats should give uncle daddy a call ;) ?

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:07 pm EST

moof I confused that with your 143 trades,....he's sinking fast, yesterday it was 164......have any 4 way deals in the canyons of your mind?......

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:59 pm EST

Yo Math-Legs: that would be 123 goals! :-)

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:56 pm EST

RhetOric..........my thoughts exactly, Malone and Hayes should be in for the next one. All this talk in the game now that the Goon is gone and that you only need "team toughness".........well,guess who don't have it folks.......US !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:55 pm EST

Non Ranger....I hate Crosby

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:53 pm EST

Ilya -- everything's good. My son is a freshman in college! Time flies! You can see the league has decided that Zucc is gonna be targeted....probably because his choppiness took the league by surprise last year. CBJ was definitely roughing us up all night long....it's not gonna stop until we get a deterrent.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:52 pm EST

Say it ain't so they are not going 82-0 NN PREDICTED THAT... The prince lost that game? Lol... The king would have lost that game....nash is on a pace now to score 143 goals too.... Put fresh bodies in tomorrow cont the pre real season... Press the panic button def con 4.... Give me an early break....pure absuridty....

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:50 pm EST

JFC.... I was about to type the same exact thing. Weird :) Blow that line up please.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:49 pm EST

Hey JFC how have you been how's your son ? AV needs to realize if he hasn't realized yet you need to hit you won't win anything in this league without taking a body time to put Malone in the lineup not too sure bout Fast !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:48 pm EST

Zucc -4, Brass -3, Hags -2....'nuf said. Only plus players MSL +1, Duke +2

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

Hey JFC how have you been how's your son ? AV needs to realize if he hasn't realized yet you need to hit you won't win anything in this league without taking a body time to put Malone in the lineup not too sure bout Fast !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

The Prince has turned back into a frog.......

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:45 pm EST

I never feel like the Rangers take this rivalry as seriously as the Jackets do.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:40 pm EST

I GUESS AV figured that having the net empty was like having Talbot in it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:40 pm EST

I'm sorry to the Fast supporters here. He has never stood out in any game I've ever seen him in. It is incredible how unnoticed he goes. But I have a bad feeling AV is gonna ride him till he enters Pysie territory.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:38 pm EST

If I am the coach (and i'm not, nor do I play one on T.V.), I put both Malone and Hayes in tomorrow night.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:35 pm EST

nash's goal sure took a bit of the shine off the great Marko Dano getting his first

caperanger


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:35 pm EST

I am all for the youngsters and really want Miller to succeed...BUT I am not sold on him or Fast

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:35 pm EST

We have a lot of new guys and we need time to develop chemistry. Not an excuse, just the reality of the situation. It shows a lot.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:34 pm EST

If coaches get the idea that running Zucc will surely remove Kreider from the ice for 17:00, then Zucc will get run a lot more often

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:34 pm EST

I think he has been our best D hands down and he has a snarl

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:34 pm EST

Ok now Glass needs to kick the crap out of Hartnell....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 pm EST

oye.....

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 pm EST

Anybody still think Staal is expendable?

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 pm EST

Duclair is an NHL player. Period.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:32 pm EST

GO NASH GO!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:32 pm EST

Agreed need some more snarl in games like this....AV will come to realize this at some point....Officiating was horrible but Rangers didn't deserve to win....4-1 Ugh....4-2 still Ugh

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:31 pm EST

The Hags-Brass-Zucc experiment should end after tonight. No doubt Columbus seems to feel like they can take liberties with the Rangers...no doubt about it.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:31 pm EST

Not to correct the great Jody Shelley, but Kreider is in the box for 15 minutes not 17. The instigator penalty was served by JT Miller while Kreider was serving the 5 minute major. Shelley should know how penalties work.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:26 pm EST

Talbot has settled down in the 3rd...playing better.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:26 pm EST

There was a JT MIller sighting in the 3rd. Is Fast even playing?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:18 pm EST

Why does it look like we are still trying to figure out our lines in preseason? Not impressed by Brass & Hags at all

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:18 pm EST

So let me get this right; Kreider and Zucc have the first 2 fighting majors of the Season and the water-melon head Coach can't find a spot for Malone and Big Mac can't skate? Meanwhile, a few here say the back-up sucks and Staal looks good? This Club can be as fast as any in the League right now but there is no deterrent. Team is TOO soft!

pa.rangersfan


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:10 pm EST

We wont see Kreider until the final 6 minutes of the game.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:04 pm EST

RHET--Kreider will learn. I am still glad he came to Zuke's defense. So, does anyone think Chris Pronger will suspend Skille for the head shot?

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:58 pm EST

Kreider needs to learn that you don't drop your gloves. You challenge the guy and let him drop his first. Then yours just accidentally fly off. Will save him on the misconducts next time. I would prefer not losing Kreider for half of the third period.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:52 pm EST

stepunmytoe...stuck watching the Columbus feed here too ...same as the other night in St. Louis . These guys are sickening to listen to , almost as bad as Darren Pang !

caperanger


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:51 pm EST

Good for Kreider.. This kid is really rounding out his game... Let's bring up McIlrath, move Hunwick to the 3rd pair Left Side with Big Mac.. Me thinks Hunwick has the experience to cover for, and teach him... Maybe give Zucc a day off for maintenance, & get Malone into the line-up....

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:51 pm EST

Now ZUCC looks shaken up (mild concussion)? Great to see KREIDER jump in. Terrible officiating tonight, sense a theme. Did you see the way KREIDER pulled that guy back up to his feet. Very strong.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:50 pm EST

Kreider didn't even throw a punch. What did he instigate?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:49 pm EST

Officiating is a joke. Kreider defends a blind side hit on Zucc- and they get a PP? Same with the hit on Moore- no call.

puckyou


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:49 pm EST

Biz as usual. FU Buttman ! Good on Krieds. Stuck listening to Columbus feed....Brutal.

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:48 pm EST

Kreider got hosed.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:47 pm EST

BTW, Forgot to mention that Marc Staal had a terrific game in game 1.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:47 pm EST

HUNWICK is very capable. He skates very well, he is solidly built & he throws the body. Doing more than BOYLE did before he got injured.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:44 pm EST

Game 2 and I look at Duclair and I still feel like I'm looking at an NHL player.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:42 pm EST

MSL has to get that puck up. We need to take advantage of our chances or it will be a long night.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:35 pm EST

forget a defenseman......a back up goalie

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:34 pm EST

They are getting beat all over the ice by the baby Rangers

rngrsans


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:20 pm EST

There's a righty in the line-up..... Good for him, the effort paid off..STEMPNIAKKKKKKK ! :-)

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:20 pm EST

Primary assist foe Duke....he and Stemp have been good this game

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:20 pm EST

Is Stemp the only NYR player to show up tonight?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:19 pm EST

STEMPI

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:19 pm EST

Talbot looks awful! His side-to-side movement is slow as hell

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:18 pm EST

Could McIlrath even catch up to Hartnall to fight him?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:16 pm EST

RH,on the other hand its hard to get much playing time when you play behind someone like HANK , however im not impressed with his play !!!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:13 pm EST

ZUCC back on the bench... This guy better tone it down a bit; fistacuffs in game one, and now this hit..

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:13 pm EST

They popped his shoulder back in and he was ready to go :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:13 pm EST

Glass needs to pay Hartnell a visit....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:12 pm EST

Got a break BAZOOKERELLA is back

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:07 pm EST

Malone ? I want him and Wrath on the same ice ! Hartnell should of be decapitated after what he did. Shameful response !

stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:07 pm EST

John Moore blows .....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:04 pm EST

Sure looks like a healthy Malone is needed in this contest.. Totally underwhelmed by John Moore in this game too....

mf


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:04 pm EST

Zucc popped his shoulder. Paging Mr. Haggerty

puckyou


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:02 pm EST

Stemp best player on the ice for the Rangers....Could use Malone out there....Just don't get it....Hartnell hasn't changed...Same old weasel that needs his ass kicked.....

PJ


Sat Oct 11 2014 7:01 pm EST

Hipcheck.... subluxation? ...Gazoontite?!?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:58 pm EST

Hey ILYA....I mentioned in the preseason that if you look at talbot's stats lifetime from the AHL, he's due to come crashing back down to earth(and reality) this season. Plus, there's always that Sophomore slump thing. As always, I'm hoping to be proven wrong :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:56 pm EST

This game has bad mojo all over it. They look very sluggish.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:55 pm EST

Artificials suck as usual.... Advantage home team

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:55 pm EST

The Prince looks like a serf! Seriously shakes goaltending. Zucc looks like he separated his shoulder.....maybe it's just a stinger where he lost feeling in his arm. But it didn't look good.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:54 pm EST

ZUCCARELLO looks to have a shoulder subluxation. Just great.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:54 pm EST

Hey Folks its been a while since i've posted here, i dont know bout you guys im not sold in Talbot , he had a bad preseason and two goals were stoppable, not sure if he's an nhl goaltender !!

ilya


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:53 pm EST

Zuccharello just got smashed. And it looks bad

rangerlou


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:51 pm EST

The Boys' don't have "it" tonight (so far).

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:50 pm EST

If this game continues this way, I think it's safe to say that Malone will be in tomorrow night,

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:50 pm EST

The HARTNELL situation needs to be addressed.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 6:47 pm EST

STEMPNIAK is playing his ass off!!!

hipcheck


Sat Oct 11 2014 5:43 pm EST

TD I mean in terms of being a Top 6 forward he was projected to be when I say busted. No one hopes their first rounder develops into a 4th liner. But I dont want tovsound demanding. JT should be playin pressure free, havin the time of his loose and letting it fly. Impossible to do, Im sure the kid is feeling it. He looks tight sometimes like he is feeling it. But I just hope he plays to his best & let the chips fall.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 4:42 pm EST

It's apparent that AV is trying to get Duclair I to a position to succeed....that position being the PP. I had mentioned a couple of days ago that I was impressed with Duclair's first NHL game and that he seemed to know how to get himself to open ice on the PP so he could be fed the puck....and he ended up with 2 great scoring chances on separate PPs. I think AV saw the same thing and now has the Duke on the 2nd PP unit. It's a good concept....get the kid good looks and maybe some points on the PP, get his confidence up and it will translate to confident play at ES. I see a difference between how he approaching thevDule and how he has approached JT....I think he sees something(s) in the Duke that he is intrigued with and he is trying to make it work. I don't know that he ever was intrigued with JT....doesn't mean he doesn't think he's a potentially good player.....but I think that he sees Duclair as potentially something SPECIAL and he wants to nurture his talent....at least for now.

JFC31


Sat Oct 11 2014 4:18 pm EST

RR - MILLER has some real soft hands and when he's on, he can pull some pretty jaw-dropping moves...I've seen him dangle guys in the AHL..just zip around them with a toe-drag like they were pylons...that hasn't translated yet into his NHL play...But that skill is there and he's used it at the professional level...But I'd say his top skill is really his ability to use his body to shield the puck...that's basically how he plays the boards so effectively...I'd be loath to call any 21-year-old kid a bust...definitely wouldn't use that term for Miller...Even if he doesn't turn into a crucial player, it's not like the Rangers could have done much better in that draft. during the first round...If I recall, the two guys here many were hoping for were Mark McNEIL, who is kind of a grinder with the Hawk's Rockford affiliate...and Tyler BIGGS, who is struggling in the AHL.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 3:45 pm EST

stevielegs - I just think that line, though well-intentioned, simply didn't complement any of the players on it. We shall see if they're together again tonight.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 3:22 pm EST

Devils and Flyers need all the special help they can get.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 2:25 pm EST

Everyone gets something but us. If memory serves, Devs lost their No. 1 pick with the Kovalchuk thing, Bettman handed it back to them.Must be nice. Pronger? Easily one of the biggest assholes I ever saw play the game. Disgrace. Oh right, we get Quintal in charge of discipline. That should work out well for us....

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 2:00 pm EST

monitor and police. Sheesh. Sorry.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 2:00 pm EST

RHET---First, it is cap circumvention no matter how you slice it. Meanwhile, the Rangers had to buy out Richards due to a rule made AFTER his contract was approved by the NHL. Second......Zac Rinaldo is probably a pretty happy guy today. Third.....These issues always seem to break to the advantage of Ed Snider. Forget the fact that this is like appointing Ted Kaczynski to monito and pokice the postal service.

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 1:25 pm EST

BOB.... Yes, Chris Pronger is officially retired. Because he signed a 35 plus contract, his money stays on Philadelphia's books ....but.... because he had a career-ending injury, the Flyers are able to put him on LTIR every season until his contract ends. What is most disturbing is that they'd select Chris Pronger for a Department of player Safety job? Chris Pronger? This is another reason why the NHL is a Mickey Mouse league run by idiots.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 1:01 pm EST

So Chris Pronger is technically retired, but does not retire and remains on LTIR so the Flyers don't get hit with a $7MM cap hit, and he gets hired by the NHL to work in the "Player Safety" department. Really?

Bob


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:51 am EST

PP1: McDonagh-St. Louis, Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello PP2: Hunwick-Girardi, Duclair-Kreider-Stempniak

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:46 am EST

maybe jt jitters just has the jitters in the nhl?.....veenyo is on his one track speed kills game,,,guess size has taken a back seat with Malone, he'll crack this lineup and stick...size mattered in the finals....Lombardi was told by veenyo to go tear it up, and he'd be recalled...but he got or had an offer and took that course for his life.....the cap is destroying building a team...great concept by the lawyer buttman.....running the league for the struggling cities.....next cba needs to go to the luxury tax......

stevielegs


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:27 am EST

For today's game three, Diaz is out. Brooks just can't count.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:08 am EST

If Diaz does manage to beat out Engelland, you'd better believe they'd try to move that contract. Not carrying a $3 million black ace. Diaz's one-year 700k? sounds more likely.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:02 am EST

Wow, TD, I know you believe in Miller and all, that's a good thing. I haven't ruled the kid out. I saw him in junior tourneys, he really impressed. But thats also a long time ago, against far lesser competition. A boatload of talent? Nah, I can't say that. In what regard? He handles the puck well, skates well. Nothing else stands out, and he really hasn't accomplished anything. My gut says he'll be a busted pick we trade eventually, but I'd love to be wrong. We need 6-2 guys with grit & skill. But this kid, I just don't know sometimes. He needs to play, we need to see what happens. But a few more non-descript clunkers like opening night, AV won't even dress him.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:01 am EST

Whiz kid McDavid with 16 points in his first 4 regular season game.....geeesh. future Cane??

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 11:00 am EST

TD- two games. they are 1-1. Im not defending Engelland. I said I didn't know that Diaz could beat him out to get into top-six. Best Engelland has scored is 17 points. Diaz, 16.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:59 am EST

And just one more thing about Miller's supposedly diminished hockey IQ...didn't seem to hinder the US from putting him on a line with Rocco Grimaldi and Johnny Gaudreau during the WJC. I'd think they'd relegate a stump-minded player onto a line where the movement is a lot slower than those two crank it.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:56 am EST

Time to farm out Hayes....

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:56 am EST

Messier11 - Flames only played one game. They dressed seven D...And are you really gonna defend ENGELLAND'S defense?!? That guy was a pylon in the playoffs.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:53 am EST

York18 - So you base your opinion on MILLER on one game against what could very well be the President's Trophy winning team? Mmm. Now which one of us is being illogical? Miller has pulled together a nice string of performances, not just "two games" as you suggest. Start with the playoffs and roll through the three games where he was looking very sharp in the middle...In fact, the only other game since his last demotion where he HASN''T looked good was the last pre-season game where, as you suggested, they moved him back to wing. Look, you don't think the kid can hack it...that much is clear...I get it...even though you try to ride the fence on this one, your opinion is pretty clear...and I think you're wrong. Not much further to go from here other than to agree to disagree. About the only thing we agree on with Miller is that he has a boatload of talent. I think you're wrong about him being better on the wing and I think you're dead wrong about his "hockey IQ" being diminished(did it ever occur to you he's only 21?)...but time will play this one out for us and, I'd say, will ultimately vindicate my opinion.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:51 am EST

Glass, Fast and Hunwick in.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:50 am EST

Klein is moving up to 2nd pairing with Staal. Not sure on PP. Hunwick practiced with first unit yesterday but Kostka was the callup, right? Idk, those guys are totally generic to me, though I do know Hunwick can boogie. See what our genius coach does.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:44 am EST

So far, Engelland has played both games. Diaz came in for one in place of Wideman.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:42 am EST

nearly 3 mill for mostly just a fighter seems pretty extravagant.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:41 am EST

RF4L - I suspect that price tag for MYERS was the pre-deadline purchase price...No way they'd ever get that much these days...maybe a first and a prospect...or a roster player and a pick...no way on all three...I don't think the Rangers will do anything that drastic anyway...Think KOSTKA will get a shot tonight and if he proves serviceable, he'll slide into the third defensive pairing with MOORE...one interesting side note about this change...I suspect STAAL will be paired with KLEIN...and I also suspect he and GIRARDI will split BOYLE'S PP time...this could be a chance for Staal to finally explore his offensive upside...one of the things that has always bugged me about the Rangers and Staal is that they never seem to let him loose...Since the emergence of McDONAGH and his injury woes, he's always been handed stay-at-home duties. Would be nice to see Staal finally use that powerful shot and smooth stride without having to worry about covering constantly for the defensive lapses of his partner.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:32 am EST

Rhet0ric - that's exactly what I suspected, re: DIAZ. Contracts are a two-way street...often here the assumption is that the Rangers didn't want to bring someone back...but as we've learned with some of the guys who bailed for Tampa, sometimes its not a Rangers' decision...it's the player's choice...Diaz knew he wasn't going to get much ice in New York...baring injury, he was going to be riding pine...and for someone like HUNWICK, who was most recently in the AHL, that's fine...but Diaz has the goods to be in a lot of teams' top six, albeit usually that sixth spot...on the Flames, I'd say he falls in ahead of ENGELLAND, who is really only in the NHL because he can fight.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:23 am EST

not all of them, I mean, but any of them.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 10:23 am EST

I like Diaz, but its hard for me to believe that he's beat out Wideman, Giordano, Smid, Engelland, Russell and TJ Brodie.

Messier11


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:57 am EST

The Rangers had interest in bringing Raphael Diaz back but Diaz did not want to be in the role of 7th defenseman. (Larry Brooks) Diaz signed with Calgary after a training camp tryout and is in their top-6 defense. The Rangers acquired Diaz at the trade deadline from Vancouver for a 5th round pick in 2015.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:24 am EST

BTW, Mayers has a cap hit of $5,500,000 for the next 4 years (after this season). A good contract if he rediscovers his game, but the Rangers would have to shed salary to acquire him.

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 9:01 am EST

RR: He also likes to fear monger, which is something a lot of journalists are apt to do. I mean, yeah, there's a concern that apparently on the farm, no adequate NHL ready defenseman exists, but worrying about next year and injuries is just plain silly. That said, I do get the concern about not re-signing Staal, but not because of what might happen next year with injuries, but because the organization (IMO) cannot afford to lose someone of his ilk for nothing, especially considering all the high picks Sather has traded off recently. The problem with that philosophy, however, if obvious: If he's not signed by the deadline but contributing like he can and the team is doing reasonably well, trading him away will almost certainly have a negative impact. How negative remains to be seen.

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:54 am EST

TD: Last year Myers was on the block and the Sabres wanted: 1) A first rounder 2) A top prospect and 3) An established young player. So, it would mean the Rangers cough up their 2016 first, someone like Duclair, and Hagelin. That's too costly. Of course, if they are set on moving him and the market is soft, one of those 3 could drop off the plate. So would you agree to move Duclair and Hagelin for Myers?

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:41 am EST

Yeah I noticed that by Brooks, RF. He just can resist the chance to put in a plug for an agent/player/new contract, even if its totally irrelevant to this year. World class imbecile sometimes. And Boyle will probably be back in 3 weeks or so, no need to panic. Nor should they make a big move for a dman, because they'll be nowhere for him to play when Boyle returns. We signed a few depth dmen, and have McIlrath. This is when you use them. AV, BTW, says Malone is healthy.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:33 am EST

If the Rangers are in the hunt for a RHS defenseman, they should ask Buffalo what their plans are with Tyler MYERS. Kid hasn't done much of anything since his sophomore year in the league and though he was once considered a lock for an elite defenseman, his stock has plummeted in recent years. With all the defensive prospects they have in the system, I bet he could be had relatively cheap. Would still probably cost a roster player most likely...interesting thought would be to offer them John MOORE and maybe KRISTO...bring Connor ALLEN in and then shop KLEIN when BOYLE comes back...and if you really want to plug roster holes...see what the Sabres want for Myers and Cody HODGSON....deal like that would certainly involve MILLER going the other way.

tdchi


Sat Oct 11 2014 8:16 am EST

Isn't LB being a bit premature in agonizing over what the Ranger blueline might look like NEXT year if injuries occur and Marc Staal isn't resigned?

RF4L


Sat Oct 11 2014 3:17 am EST

Maybe that hip flexor is not 100% healed. Better to get Malone healthy early.

MelvilleFred


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:47 pm EST

This is why we come here...Not sure how many have seen this?...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4--iEOftLZ4

RF73


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:57 pm EST

Diaz would have kind of seamlessly stepped into Boyles spot in a pinch, and would have had second-pair, PP minutes for at least a stretch. Better than Calgary

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:48 pm EST

HOSPO- I agree w you on JT Miller.... damn, NYRs are THIN down the middle right now... but no use forcing Miller to play where and when he is NOT yet ready..

schneidw


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:47 pm EST

MALONE- Don't read too much into AV comments... he may be trying to keep the psychological pressure on Malone to keep him focused and motivated... last thing we need is Malone getting complacent and hitting the pipe down in the Bowery..

schneidw


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:45 pm EST

RICK NASH= Better late than never... came into camp in shape and motivated... 2 goals and pressure at the front of the goal.. showed a quick release and accurate location w his shot... AWESOME!

schneidw


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:00 pm EST

It has nothing to do with "imagination"....it's conjecture or an educated guess addressing the many folks here who are wondering why AV won't give Malone a chance. There have been many instances where coaches refuse to use a player because they disagree with the GM. One good example was with this very organization: John Muckler was pressured to keep Manny Malhotra with the big club even though he find not think he was ready. So, he simplymarginalized him, would not play him in his 2nd season and back to juniors he went. He played 73 games in his 1st year and then 20 something with basically no ice time the next before being sent back to juniors. And that's just one examp,e of many throughout many different sports. So, no, it's not "imagination" at all....it's based on past history and human nature.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 8:14 pm EST

That's a pretty healthy imagination! Maybe he just can't keep up with the tempo.

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:52 pm EST

I don't have a problem with moving JT to a different line. It's not a demotion AFAIAC because last night proved that the 3rd/4th lines are bad ally interchangeable in terms of ice time. What everyone was referring to as the 3rd line got the least ice time of any line last game.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:49 pm EST

Don't know AV's MO well enough to make this conclusion, but this refusal to use Malone and his proclamation that he just doesn't "fit" has the whiff of "power struggle" to it....as if he resents the way Malone ended up on this team. Malone was team mates with MSL, he worked out with several Rangers over the summer, then apparently got the tryout by those players recommending him. Now, if AV feels that it went straight to Sather, who then decided to sign him despite the fact that AV felt he was too slow to fit his system. Then he could very well be holding Malone out because he wants to send a message that he doesn't like being overruled or circumnavigated. I'm sure Malone will get in there but not until AV feels like he's been spiteful enough to get his point across.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 6:47 pm EST

The Rangers are looking to add defensive depth following the broken hand suffered by Dan Boyle. (NY Post) The market for defensemen though is presenting “slim pickings” right now. (NY Post) Larry Brooks also notes that if this is the situation the Rangers find themselves in after losing their fourth defenseman, they can’t afford to not bring Marc Staal back. (NY Post) With Michael Kostka called up, the only defensemen in Hartford with NHL experience, that are under contract, are Dylan McIlrath (two games) and Conor Allen (three games).

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:46 pm EST

Id said AV could have a sophmore slump. That doesnt sound like mind games (though its not supposed to if it were). And this is the guy who kept tapping Richards on the shoulder every PP until I had to watch the Kings raise a banner last night. Must I lose my temper before its even game two?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:37 pm EST

He sees a spot for Fast but doesn't see a spot for MALONE? OK.....

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:30 pm EST

Malone will be this year's eddie o ... Heave ho... Seems to have a good attitude and sense of humor with a smile... A blue ace....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:23 pm EST

everyone has at least 1 blind spot.....lost count on Sather''s.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:10 pm EST

-On Ryan Malone, “Malone is healthy and I had a good conversation with him. I liked his training camp but I am not quite sure, and I was very honest with him, where he fits in with our team picture right now. We all know that a lot of stuff happens in a season. At this time that is where he is situated and we will see where it goes.” -What was his reaction, “I would rather be here than in Hartford” (Laughs)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:10 pm EST

-On Ryan Malone, “Malone is healthy and I had a good conversation with him. I liked his training camp but I am not quite sure, and I was very honest with him, where he fits in with our team picture right now. We all know that a lot of stuff happens in a season. At this time that is where he is situated and we will see where it goes.” -What was his reaction, “I would rather be here than in Hartford” (Laughs)

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:06 pm EST

SATHER SUCKS!

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:03 pm EST

Kinda like where today's lines are leading....Have said for awhile that I think Glass-Moore-MIller would be a good line for the team and for MIller....Hopefully when Glass slides back in, it';s for FAST and not MIlller...Gotta try somebody at 3rd C, so I guess it's Hayes chance, nothing wrong with that even if I have my doubts about him for this year....Still, the only problem is NO MALONE...assinine in my book....Hopefully AV sees the light sometime soon...Wouldn't be a bad guy to have with two talented kids or with Stemp and Hayes...

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:50 pm EST

guess I didn't edit on time after all!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:50 pm EST

Things are pretty testy considering we're 1-0 LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:49 pm EST

Things are pretty testing considering we're 1-0 LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:44 pm EST

Not an indictment of any player, but Id move Moore up with Staal and play Hunwick/Klein. Staal/Klein i think will be a mistake, especially if Staal thinks he can trust Klein to cover for him defensively. He'd never even consider that if paired with Boyle or Moore.

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:33 pm EST

Once again, NICK cuts through the BS.

Bob


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:24 pm EST

TD he played two good games in tge pre against ahl level guys and because he plays first line in the ahl he should be a top line NHL player roflmao stupidest thing I ever heard. Ever hear of brad smyth 50 goal ahler gernander was a top line ahler no one is costing miller anything but Miller he had two good preseason games and you act like he had a great season. Again who's to blame for him winning no faceoffs

York18


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:17 pm EST

I don't watch the preseason so have never seen McI play, but on skating comparisons with Girardi, even if they both are slow, G -- who I am not a huge fan of -- knows where to be and when, in order to mask any speed deficiency. Not sure McI can do that at this point and probably not. This might make the call on whether he is an NHLer, or if Slats -- "Eric the Clown" of drafting -- managed to fuck up yet again. If not for his yearly dumpster-diving the NYR couldn't ice a 20 guys for games.

Nick


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:13 pm EST

STEVIE: MALONE in POU's spot is so obvious. I don't get why he doesn't want to go that way. The only thing I can think of is that he plans to slide KREIDER there when STEPAN gets back. That wouldn't be the way that I would go but it isn't my team. I move MSL off of that line not KREIDER. Right now it looks like DUCLAIR is the guy keeping MALONE out of the lineup. I was all for giving DUCLAIR a chance to show what he can do but not if that means keeping MALONE out of the lineup.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:12 pm EST

VIC... Yes, he's a solid player but he's also vanilla. IMO, he makes a great super-sub when someone get's injured. He also just does't have the same skill level of some of the other guys on the team. Malone for example can be a real tempo changer when he's firing on all cylinders. Fast is a nice player, we just need more than he is capable of.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:03 pm EST

well he's already demoted jt jitters to 4th line wing, and puts hayes in over Malone. and leaves Fast in with a sore arm...guess glass cracked.......this too shall change......can't wait until he stumbles into the right combos, and sticks with them. Malone belongs in poo's old spot....line generator is not fully warmed up and functioning .......version 2014-2015 still upgrading.......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 4:02 pm EST

RHET: On FAST, the kid is a good player who I think AV sees a definite role for on this team. He is very solid defensively. Yes, he had the lazy backcheck last night on the one goal but it was after he was hurt and it was the first time I've seen him do that. He is a solid penalty killer and seems to have good instincts on the ice. He skates well and has good enough hands to bury opportunities when they arise. I think AV sees him as a great option for 4th line winger. A bottom 6 player with a role. Nothing wrong with that and I think FAST fits that role just fine. The problems with the team are the construction of the top 3 lines. The 4th line is fine.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:53 pm EST

Swap Malone with Hags, Hags with Duclair and send Duclair back to junior where he belongs. Please. If more injuries mount, call up Haggerty or Lindbergh.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:52 pm EST

VIC,.... Maybe the question we should be asking is what is AV's fascination with FAST? What does this kid bring to the table that no one else does? I don't get it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:47 pm EST

*** SIGH *** I don't understand AV's thinking. DM looked fine. He isn't a great skater but he moves well enough to play in the NHL. If AV's measuring stick is that his D need to be able to chase down CROSBY on a breakaway then DM will never play for this team. Frankly I don't think that is necessary as GIRARDI seems to hold his own and his skating is suspect to say the least. DM brings other elements that nobody else on this roster can or will and the Rangers need that. On MALONE, WTF? He plays two preseason games and looks great and now he can't sniff the lineup? Why? The BRASSARD line desperately needs that big, physical presence.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:33 pm EST

Lines from practice today.... Kreider-St. Louis-Nash.... Hagelin-Brassard-Zuccarello.... Duclair-Hayes-Stempniak..... Miller-D. Moore-Fast..... McDonagh-Girardi.... Staal-Klein.... J. Moore-Hunwick

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:13 pm EST

Some of us need to dial it back a bit. Just because AV used certain verbiage with the press, it doesn't mean he put it the same way to Malone. What we do know is that nothing is set in stone with this team. Also, AV is usually reluctant to change things when the team wins. It doesn't mean the Malone doesn't have a future with the team.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:09 pm EST

Ha...chill, KIS. Just some early season inventory taking. The right players will play. And Sather's brought all but one or two that we need in, theyll figure it out. I deal with that 5th grade level stuff all the time - but they're adults!!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:06 pm EST

If we still had our first rounder, we might have been able to get Tyler Myers out of Buffalo. Oh well.

Bob


Fri Oct 10 2014 3:04 pm EST

RR are you sure it isn't drag queen. Fuckin team always gets me riled up. Sather is a dumb ass as well. Stop making bad contracts and stop sitting on assetts. We always have so many young kids. Guess what Cigar chomp, there are only so many people that can play. This team has needs Use your assets wisely. yeah I'm in a pissy mood. Lets see you guys deal with kids who on a 5th grade level ask you how to spell red. Dumb fucking educational system. I need to tap out from this line of work. sheesh

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:58 pm EST

I think Big Mac will soon be on his way out. I think he was a match for the Tortorella zone defense coverage scheme. I don't think he is a match for AV's man-to-man, mobile defender system. Simply an issue of coaching wants and styles. If we would have drafted Cam Fowler, he would now fit but wouldn't have with Torts. Maybe Mac can be part of a deal for a center.

Bob


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:58 pm EST

Yeah, I was thinking along same lines RF.....and KIS LOL.We'll see. Sather wanted this guy here, he's going to play at some point. Or AV will just continue to use Fast the one-armed cosmetic queen - who was freaking' invisible last night. Sheesh. Always something.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:38 pm EST

Well I will be the first to say AV is a dumb fuck. He does many things well but some decisions are head scratchers. The first 2. Why no McI. I dont buy the skating reason. Since when has Girardi been a world class skater.Now this choice that there is no place for MAlone at the moment. Why sign the guy and make it count against the cap. Why can't he play is he too big. oh I get it he might help the PP. AV wants the PP to be anemic.. What a horses ass. He was lucky to get the team to the cup finals. haha. Still don't like those 2 decisions

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:28 pm EST

Maybe AV has elected to do to test Malone's commitment to the team and to his new found ways? I mean, if Malone is to react by issuing ultimatums to 'play me or trade me', it would certainly bring to light just how reformed and committed he actually is. I dunno, pure speculation on my part in order to understand AV's mindset.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:21 pm EST

AV has to be trying to piss Malone off, and instill discipline and a real hunger. That nothings going to be given to him. AV is way too smart not to see what Mslone brings, how badly we need it, or how EASY it is to reconfigure lines to get him in. Has to be. Or fire AV lol. R47. Luv it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:12 pm EST

RHET/RF4L - Man, I'm dumbfounded by AV's treatment and reaction to MALONE...I saw him in two games for the Rangers in pre-season, and both games he made a huge difference and brought exactly what the Rangers need....Is he just too slow for AV? Something off the ice??? So instead we get some non-entity named Quickie on a nightly basis?....or Hoping for some gangly kid like Hayes? Hayes indeed has talent, and will do some things offenviely but some teams are gonna abuse and take advantage of him left and right...Doesn't he remember how the size and stength of the kings wore the Rangers down last year?

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:08 pm EST

Rapid: a la Zucc, when I was 5 years old and my big brother was 11 one of his friends was always picking on me. When I complained to my brother he told me to just punch his friend in the nose - which I did. You never saw such a confused look on his face! What was he supposed to do - beat up a 5 year old! :) After that he left me alone....

Ranger47


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:02 pm EST

York - what the Rangers need to do with MILLER (and DUCLAIR for that matter) is keep them in the position where they envision them suceeding. You want to jump on Miller for his hockey IQ? Well the kid plays top-line center minutes for half a season in Hartford then get relegated to bottom line wing in the NHL. For two years the kid has been jerked around like that and you some how think the discrepancy in his play is hockey IQ? Then we get three good games of the kid at center...where he's making MALONE look good ...then boom. It's back to wing with on third line...then it's back to center with a rookie and a rusty veteran...and I'M making excuses for him?!? That, buddy, is an ROTFLMMFAO. Kid needs a role. Kid needs linemates. Kid needs to be given the leash to make mistakes without people questioning if he's brain dead everytime he turns over the puck. Now I've been down this road with you too many times to go down it again, so we'll agree to disagree. I think your assessment of Miller is half a bubble off dead wrong. We agree he has talent. That's about it.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:01 pm EST

York - what the Rangers need to do with MILLER (and DUCLAIR for that matter) is keep them in the position where they envision them suceeding. You want to jump on Miller for his hockey IQ? Well the kid plays top-line center minutes for half a season in Hartford then get relegated to bottom line wing in the NHL. For two years the kid has been jerked around like that and you some how think the discrepancy in his play is hockey IQ? Then we get three good games of the kid at center...where he's making MALONE look good ...then boom. It's back to wing with on third line...then it's back to center with a rookie and a rusty veteran...and I'M making excuses for him?!? That, buddy, is an ROTFLMMFAO. Kid needs a role. Kid needs linemates. Kid needs to be given the leash to make mistakes without people questioning if he's brain dead everytime he turns over the puck. Now I've been down this road with you too many times to go down it again, so we'll agree to disagree. I think your assessment of Miller is half a bubble off dead wrong. We agree he has talent. That's about it.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:58 pm EST

Andrew Gross..... Fast said, "I'm fine," when asked about his left hand, sore from blocking a shot last night. AV said he was surprised "Quickie" practiced.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:57 pm EST

WTF is right. MAKE him fit. Rest Glass, back Haggy up and slot Malone with Zuc. What's so hard Froggy?

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:56 pm EST

RF4L.... I'm a Malone fan, I just don't get it. Malone with Zuc and Brassard seems like the perfect fit, Maybe AV will eventually get there :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:53 pm EST

Rhet: 'We don't need a big, physical winger who goes to the net, has a very good shot and has scored previously for other teams, and most importantly, brings a physical presence to the lineup no else can'? I mean didn't the pummelling the Hobbit took last night tell AV something? I mean, WTF??

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:52 pm EST

Cam Talbot will start for the Rangers tomorrow night in Columbus and Henrik Lundqvist will start on Sunday night against Toronto in the home opener. (Leonard) Alain Vigneault has said that he hopes to get Talbot around 20-22 games and keep Lundqvist around 60-62 like last year.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:51 pm EST

Steve Zipay..... Tanner Glass (back). A gametime decision per AV. If he can't go, AV leaning toward Hayes

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:51 pm EST

Rabbit and others, I get the logic but it still doesn't sit well with me. I was a bit of an "enforcer" in my playing days on the "pitch" so I always like to see those who should, do so. This Club is too soft, anyway it's sliced.

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:48 pm EST

Per Andrew Gross ..... AV said he's talked to Ryan Malone and told veteran wing right now he doesn't see how Malone fits into picture. That can change quickly tho.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:46 pm EST

RHET: No worries but you probably don't remember me killing HANK on the Wall most of last year. I beat him like a red-headed stepchild and ranted about his contract being an anvil around the neck of the team. Well, HANK came back and showed me where to shove it in the latter part of last season and the playoffs. He looked extremely sharp in preseason and last night. I just don't think beating up HANK on that play is warranted due to the way he played last night and the fact that he thought he had plenty of support.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:40 pm EST

I'm not sure anyone here is saying Miller needs to be pressboxed or sent down or get like 5 minutes of icetime per game. I think the discussion is where does he play? I posted my concern about him centering a line that's expected to produce offense and last night's effort did zero to ease that concern. If anything, it's done the opposite. How many games does AV give him there? And with what linemates? Or do you move him to wing now and try Hayes at center? I don't know if either choice is wrong, as long as the team is winning. If they struggle, obviously AV will be more apt to tinker with his lineup (which I suspect he will do anyways to a certain degree, especially if more injuries pile up).

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:40 pm EST

Zuccarello also punched Reaves in the face Haha... I laugh my balls off every time. Hey, these guys take a shot at him cause they think he wont fire back!! It's frickin' hysterical, the looks on their faces LOL....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:38 pm EST

The Blues play-by-play guys brought up an interesting point about Hank's blocker last night. His is concave unlike a normal blocker. They made the point that it makes it difficult for Hank to direct the puck where he wants it to go with the curve to it. It caused him to knock the puck to the ice in front of him instead of being able to direct it away from him like a goalie would normally be able to. Anyone know the purpose of Hank's concave blocker, other than that it looks cool?

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:36 pm EST

The way the fight evolved between Zucc and Mr. Enterprise really made it not necessary for anyone to jump in....they jabbed at each other, yapped at each other face-t-face and then Zucc threw down the gloves....he wanted to fight. I think he was doing it to try and change the momentum of the game. Now, if a tussle had occurred and suddenly a bigger guy dropped the gloves and starting beating up an unsuspecting Zucc....yeah, then you gotta defend the Hobbit to keep him from being hurt. But, Zucc has got the big advantage that, at his size, he'll never really lose a fight. If he wins outright, it's : "Hey that little guy is one tough bastard!". If he loses, then it's: "Well, the other guy was much bigger than he is." But, either way, we can't afford to have Zucc get hurt....he needs to rethink this fighting crap and have this be a one-time thing.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:31 pm EST

Cam's the man tomorrow night. Sounds like Hunwick going in.practiced with 1st unit. We'll see. I want MALONE making his debut tomorrow.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:27 pm EST

One by one they're falling off Hospo.Lombardi, then it'll be Miller, then Hayes (though I see him at wing next year anyway). Eventually, LINDBERG will be the last man standing. I estimate about 5 months before AV figures it out.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:23 pm EST

Paul Stastny said. ... "I went around [Girardi]. I think he was beat. He’s an honest player; just a natural reaction. He tried to get a piece of me for me not to beat him.” .....Zuccarello when being interviewed after the game said "I'm not a dresser like Hank, he probably wears a suit at home" :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:21 pm EST

RABID - I agree..you don't jump in on a MZA-Oshie fight, let the two have their day in the goon sun! I was actually waiting for some hair pulling...

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:18 pm EST

RHET - You are probably correct, but, I have yet to see a better long term option...Like you, I hope we can get that bigger center by the deadline..I'm not buying HAYES JT MILLER there this year..Biut, hey, it's a long season that just started..Hopefully, I'll be as wrong as I was on Lombardi!

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:16 pm EST

Thought Staal was very strong last night, BTW. PA, seemed a pretty fair fight. Staal jumps in he's gone. You wanted him to? Against Oshie? Its good Zuc threw down. He was laughing about it after the game. He's an ornery little sob.Luv him to pieces but it's gonna happen. As long as its not some goon, otherwise sure we gotta protect the little guy.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:12 pm EST

Hospo.... I think MSL in the center pivot over a long period of time wont look as good as he does now. That being said, we will have roughly $3-4 Million(what our current cap space will correspond to by then) to add a center at the trade deadline. I think we'll see guys like Vermette or Kadri being available(if they don't get re-signed). It could also go a long way to helping us afford Joe Thornton if that's the path we decide to follow ....VIC... Sorry, I missed your post... Firstly let me state that I was not defending John Moore at all. He was mostly brutal last night. At time, he made Hank's life a living hell in the 3rd period. That being said, Hank still should've never given up that rebound and the goal should never have happened. It irks me when fans will go on and on about the guy making the turnover but never critique Hank for giving up a bad rebound that he should've easily handled. Many fans even act like it's sacrilege to criticize Hank on anything. I am obviously not in that camp :) The problem with Moore is that most of our assets in the system are of the shut down variety while he is one of the few offensive assets we have that can work in AV's transition system. It also makes it hard to replace him. Anyway, it's only one game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:09 pm EST

Very disappointed no Big Mac. Not buying the "skating" angle tbh. I guess somebody's gonna have to get busted up pretty badly to maybe get this kid in the line-up. And, no outrage from anybody over Staal pulling a Girardi durig Zucc's "fight?"

pa.rangersfan


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:45 pm EST

Lombardi's (Eye-talian) departure helps clear some of the redundant muck in the middle... Bon Voyage...... Seems to me the MSL & Nash are developing a little chemistery... Bet Stamkos misses his little buddy.... Even with MSL centering, nothing says he cant gravitate over to his natural RW when the opportunity presents itself, & with Nash drifting to the slot, Bingo! Can Krieder win a face-off? Oohhh, possibly untapped potential we may not know of there?

mf


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:35 pm EST

RHET - I understand that..but you do what is best for the team whether you are 22 or 39....In the best of all worlds, he moves back to wing when Stepan comes back..However, personally, I'm not so keen on the other options for a top 9 C after Brass and Step, and that includes MILLER and HAYES for this year,,..We'll find out more over the next 10 games.

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:31 pm EST

From Rick Carpiniello chat on when he thinks Dylan McIlrath will make the NYR.... "When he can skate and keep up with NHL forwards. Which might or might not ever happen." ..... "Opinions are one thing. Seeing him in preseason was another. This is a kid whose skating was a problem BEFORE he wrecked his knee twice."

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:24 pm EST

so what would happen if jt jitters plays center for Nash and Kid K?......

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:24 pm EST

Michael Kostka has joined the Rangers in Columbus for today’s practice. (NYR) Kostka is skating as the 7th defenseman with John Moore being paired with Matt Hunwick. (NYR) Jesper Fast is on the ice after hurting his hand yesterday. (Gross) Tanner Glass is not skating and has been given a maintenance day. (Leonard)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:20 pm EST

HOSPO.... St. Louis offered to play in the middle due to injuries, I don't think he has any interest in playing there long term.He's a Hall of Fame winger. Also, it's only been one game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:08 pm EST

Lombardi has an offer from a euro club. Bye. Fast & Kostka on ice today. And I wouldnt be so quick to lump John Moore and JT together. Moore has proven quite a unit more than Miller as far as holding down an NHL job. Again, its one game.but I agree Moore needs to show improvement. St Louis is also a real pain the ass. Columbus will provide a nice chance to see what's what. BTW, rumors Nate Horton might not play again (back). Unconfirmed.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:04 pm EST

Count me in the camp that said Miller deserves a fair chance. Lformer No. 1 pick they've been trying to develop for years. If it's 10 games or 25 or 40, he should get the chance. That said, it irks me when ANY player turns in a totally nondescript game,especially on a night you'd think everyone would be raring to go. Do something, attempt to do something special, or don't even lace up the skates. But, case in point, there are plenty of guys who have so-so games. Rick Nash went long stretches near-invisible last year. Now a few flicks of the wrist and he's on everyone's untouchable list today ( not yours MF lol). Duclair looked more than fine to me. Sharp offensive mind and great hands to match. He settles in with the right linemates he can help this team. Also can't put too much weight on one game. They really got out of sync with the 2nd period penalties.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:55 am EST

TDCHI - Disagree on MILLER..I have seen some physical flashes for him but for the most part nothing that shows me he is TOP 6 right now....eespecially his mental game which, I'm sorry, just ins't there yet....Why should the Rangers rush him when thye have better options? Let him play on the 3rd or 4th line..Hell, better yet, let him play wing where he doesn't have to think as much....He will get there...in time...We jsut don't agree on what we should do with him right now..

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:52 am EST

TD what's hogwash is your blind posts for miller he's a top 6 forward? Lmao when has he ever proven he's top 6? answer he hasn't was it his wingers fault he couldn't win a faceoff? There's always some excuse for him when it comes to you. He sucked last night and unfortunately that has been the norm rather than te exception. Outside of two games he has yet to show he's a top 9 talent and certainly not at center. He's the man in Hartford and he looked great in 2 preseason games playing against ahl talent no argument on him being a stud at the ahl level but it hasn't transferred to the NHL. I can argue that duclairs fall off was due tO being put with miller since duclair shined all preseason but that's bs as much as it was duclairs fault miller sucked.

York18


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:51 am EST

Wow, LOMBARDI gone already? Another one of Hospodamus's great predictions! I colund't have been more wrong.....But, that has never stopped me before.....VIC- As you and others chide people for being too harde on JT MILLER, I think you're being a little hard on St. Louis at center..... He's only been playing the the position a week....give him some time on the defensive positioning....I also don't think he was horrible on FOs unlike somebody that was 0 and 8.......But, most importantly, I like how he worked in the offensive zone with those guys...he is a very smart player...a slick passer...goes to the net ..and despite his size, can win the puck...I have zero problem with him at C unless he just doesn't feel compfrtable.....In fact, once Stepan comes back, it might be a good consideration to go Brass-St.Louis-Step-Moore down the middle until the deadline when you finally deal for that big center..:)

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:30 am EST

Couple things: MILLER'S hockey IQ is zilch? Hogwash. Young kid, great tools, needs GAME experience. He's a top-6 forward and if you out him in a line with a 19-year-old kid that belongs in juniors and a vet still trying to get his feet under him...yeah, the results are evident. Put him on second line center. Give him a couple of good wings. More importantly, get him with the guy who he has chemistry with: MALONE. And the wrong thing to do is jerk him out of the center or even worse, out of the game. Let the kid make mistakes. The ones he made last night weren't nearly as bad as some made by the so-called vets...I do think MALONE and HAYES need to go in, but it should be at the cost of DUCLAIR and FAST...the latter if whom will probably be a injury scratch anyway. Took a shot like that between the pad and glove like he did and the swelling basically made all the tendons in my hand seize up....on KOSTKA - it's his chance to shine. But he's more mobile and a guy who can play the point on the second unit PP. he actually looked ok there after his first abysmal showing...on LOMBARDI - no surprise there. Rangers probably hoped he'd get claimed on waivers an when he didn't, they had to move YOGAN. I will say this: Yogs was a goner either way. He was either going to start in Greenville or get cut. There's too much talent up the middle to justify keeping him in Hartford.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:28 am EST

I like the Kreider- Nash and MSL line. I think they would get better as the season moves along. Maybe step could move to the 3rd line with Malone and Hags. Try miller on the Zucc and brassard line. IDK just thinking.

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:24 am EST

Not a good sign that MCI is not called up. Kostco I think sucks as a player. McI is not the type of player AV likes. Maybe Rangers should look to package McI and Miller. Should be able to get a good center for a package involving those 2. I think Hayes could end up being a better player than Miller by the end of the season. I thought Duke looked good. He will adjust to the speed. Had a good chance in the 3rd had his stick not broke.

KIS


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:19 am EST

The lien I was most concerned about last night was the Hags-Brass-Zucc one. They were almost invisible. I don't see Hags as the replacement for Poulliot. I'm assuming that our longer term plan when Step returns is to bump MSL to the Miller line with Hags and send the Duke back to the Juniors. Which puts Malone or possibly Haggerty (or Hayes? or the Duke) as the LW on the Brass line. I could even see Miller ending up as the LW on the Brass line with Hayes (or Lindberg, or whomever) centering the Hags-MSL 3rd line. Hopefully Hags will click on the second line with Brass and Zucc - but I don't it happening (nor Hags as a top 6 player).

Ranger47


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:18 am EST

I posted this yesterday, but I still think it was the height of stupidity to put Hags on with Brass & Zucc just because Brass wanted to try it. Even as a concept, I didn't like that line combo one bit and in reality the line was completely idisjointed. The Duclair-Stemp-Miller line was not a good look either...as most of us had predicted. I don't think Duclair looked bad at all....he had 2 prime scoring chances, one on a nice deflection and one on a shot from the deep slot in which his stick broke. Both of those chances were on the PP, which speaks to the fact that the line at ES was not working well. He knows how to go to the open areas of the ice and set himself up for a pass. I watched him closely last night and he knows what he's doing out there in all 3 zones. Not a good idea for AV to put him out with a still-learning JT Miller and Stemp. He will work better with top 6 talent and that can allow the talent then to be spread around better. Not happy with the fact that other than line #1, our lines seem to be a work in progress.....the fact that you had Hags out there to play for the first time ever with Bras-Zucc made ZERO sense. The Stemp line essentially was the 4th line last night and that shouldn't happen. AV needs to get his sh!t together better in the preseason IMO.

JFC31


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:17 am EST

r47 I'm sure most hope so, but they seem to be not getting what it takes to be in the nhl. that's not just from last night. it needs to click in their heads before they get passed by.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 11:13 am EST

Don't get all the Miller and J Moore bashing today. Yes, they both had subpar games, but both have a big upside which only playing will help. Give them both 10 games to prove they're able to improve before writing them off. Both could be huge assets if they can use their talents.

Ranger47


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:52 am EST

Disappointed no Mac. Perfect time to slip him in a see what he has and they call up Kostka. He is going to become a whipping boy quickly is my guess. And J Moore annoys me the more I see him. His up ice passes lack touch. He better start hitting people. Not liking this defensive make up at all. We will see. Kostka will probably score a goal next game putting an end to my GM career !

stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:48 am EST

RF4L.... For Lombardi to do that, they would have had to assign him sooner. The team has to first assign him somewhere so he could refuse to report. He can't just say I'm going back to Switzerland.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:48 am EST

Watching a long-haired Ranger absorb a torrent of punches is terribly evocative of Dale Rolfe. Earlier in the game during a scrum along the wall some large Blue was rag-dolling Zucc and I pointed out to my kids that while he was pushing back the whole while, he also wisely never let go of his stick. And I had the same thought, RF - the announcers gushing over what a 'strong fighter' Oshie is was shameful.

LeoS


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:43 am EST

Rhet: Not that his loss is anything huge, but if that's the case, why didn't he leave earlier - that way Yogan would still be in the system. Maybe it's all not so good timing?

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:39 am EST

I'm guessing that Lombardi had a handshake deal with the NYR that if he didn't make the team he would refuse to report to the AHL so they could then mutually agree to terminate his contract. Thereby allowing him to return to Switzerland. Best of luck to him. Hopefully, we use the available contract wisely.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:25 am EST

Never a dull moment in RangerLand. Can't blame Lombardi, though he's going to get abused on the internets. His family was happy there. He'll get paid to play in Switz too. He's sees there's no spot for him here. Good riddance.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:21 am EST

Bye bye Lombardi, we hardly knew ya!

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:18 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/news-lombardi-on-unconditional-waivers-may-go-back-to-switzerland/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:09 am EST

I'd guess Stemp becomes 1st unit point man. Klein moves up with Staal. Kostka with Moore on 3rd pairing. Had to recall offensive-minded guy, couldn't be MCI. We'll, it could have but they didn't.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:08 am EST

RR: Yes, the MSL line was good in the offensive end but it was mostly KREIDER and NASH until that last goal. MSL was horrible on draws and was out of position in the defensive end. He struggled with the responsibilities of the Center position. MSL does not belong at Center.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 10:04 am EST

koska probably will be in for boyle since he's a righty. j moore will probably open the door for hunwick .....big mac will have to learn to play the way veenyo wants ......or he'll stay in Hartford until they decide to trade him.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:53 am EST

First game out of the gate like that, you're lookin for answers in the affirmative. Got a big one in Stempniak I thought. That's the guy I remember from Calgary, just a fast, smart two-way player. He'll help a lot. So will Boyle when he returns. That CK-MSL-Nash line worked. Not just 3 goals, they had several other good chances.St Louis rang the post on the PP too. That'd be something', if Step has nowhere to play lol. They hate McIlrath LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:45 am EST

Alain Vigneault said on MSG last night that Jesper Fast’s hand was sore from blocking a shot. 1:31 into the second period, Fast blocked a shot from Ian Cole and went to the bench to be examined by Jim Ramsay before they both went to the Rangers locker room. Fast missed about 10 minutes of game play before returning at 9:59 of the second period. Fast played over 5 minutes after returning including 4:32 over 7 shifts in the third period.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:37 am EST

Kostka recalled. Geesh....

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:31 am EST

Or, perhaps, you dress Hayes and move Miller to his wing, leaving Malone for the Brass/MZA line. That means, however, 2 have to sit and I sure don't like the idea of having a 19 year old junior eligible player press-boxed for game 2. Fast is likely one candidate to sit, especially if he's labouring due to that blocked shot. It's only logical if you add Malone and Hayes 2 from Miller/Duclair/Fast will sit.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:29 am EST

I agree Miller shouldn't be bumped that quickly, especially seeing as options 2 and 3 for the center ice position aren't exactly overwhelming. Put Malone on his wing (although I like the idea of a Brassard/MZA/Malone line). Would Miller be more effective with the forechecking of Hagelin alongside him?

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:28 am EST

RHET: To answer your post from last night regarding HANK and MOORE on that first goal. Was it a soft rebound? Yep, it was. BUT, HANK was outstanding last night. He isn't going to have perfect rebound control on everything. That is why it is the job of the D to tie up guys and pounce on loose pucks. The Blues were attacking 3 on 4 on that rush. The Rangers had numbers on their side and the Blues did the only thing they could besides turn the puck over and that was throw it at the net or in the corner. MOORE's job there is to make sure that the only guy with a chance to do any damage on that play doesn't. He failed miserably by not even making and attempt to pick up the guy until after he saw the rebound. It was a lazy play from a guy that seemed more interested in his tooth last night then on the game. He had taken a hit/elbow in the mouth earlier in the game and every time you saw him on the bench the only thing he seemed to care about was his tooth. Didn't see interested in the game. I'd let the bad play go and put the onus on HANK but at least HANK had an outstanding night outside of one weak rebound. What did J MOORE contribute?

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:21 am EST

Leave Miller where he is. 3rd line center. The kid had a 19yr old and a career 4th liner on his wings against a stacked bunch of fwds of the Blues. We all had our reservations about that line as it was. If we could see then AV needs to make the right adjustment.

stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:17 am EST

On the game itself. The Rangers looked great in the first period. Yes, the Blues pushed back but I thought the Rangers got sloppy and careless. That opened the door for the Blues to get some turnovers and eventually PPs. That is where the game turned. The Blues started taking the body once they were back in the game and the Rangers didn't respond well. I love this team's speed but the lack of size and snarl becomes evident quickly when the other team wants to muddy the game down. I love MZA but the last think I ever want to see is him drop the gloves. He cannot be the physical presence and enforcer for this line. That is a recipe for disaster. I didn't like the BRASSARD line at all last night. This is going to be a work in progress but HAGS doesn't fit in with those two. MALONE or MILLER are the only reasonable options on that line at this point as they have the ability to add what the team lost when POULIOT left. KREIDER is a beast. He was the rangers best player last night. Lost in all of the talk about his speed and scoring is that he is a tremendous passer. We saw that last year and last night he looked terrific. NASH played a solid two-way game and looked much more confident to me. It is nice to see him bury those two grade A scoring chances. Last year he would have put the puck weakly wide of the net or into the stomach of the goaltender. The one thing I was most disappointed in last night was the amount of turnovers at the offensive blue line. This team needs to be much smarter then that and really it was the veterans who were the worst offenders. All that aside it was a great win on the road against a very good team in a tough building. HANK was outstanding and that is a very good sign this early in the season.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:13 am EST

Vic....Agreed on Malone....Stemp to the fourth makes that line better and he looks great killing penalties....Miller need to be given some time...He can't be benched every time he has a bad game....Brass & Zucc didn't look that great last night either....

PJ


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:12 am EST

What was our litle Range Hobi t thinkig of before he dropped the gloves. ???????

rangerlou


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:04 am EST

Typo in the first sentence. Ignore the first reference to STEMPNIAK.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 9:04 am EST

I'm sticking by what I posted last night. MALONE in for FAST with STEMP with MALONE going to the wing with BRASSARD and MZA and should stay there every night until further notice. STEMPNIAK to the 4th line in FAST's spot and HAYES (if healthy) in for MILLER. If MILLER is moved out of the Center spot then it has to be HAYES (or MUELLER/LINDBERG) that takes his place at this point. If MILLER moves to the wing then somebody else comes out of the lineup. At this point the only reasonable person is DUCLAIR. That would put HAYES in the middle of HAGS and MILLER. When STEPAN comes back that would mean having to decide between MILLER and STEMPNIAK for the 4th line. STEPAN would slide back inbetween KREIDER and NASH. MSL would move to the 3rd line with HAYES and HAGS. Of course, if DUCLAIR really lights it up and stays that changes things.

Vic


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:54 am EST

with 2 games in 2 nights, veenyo needs to put fresh guys in for 1 of them at least. hayes and Malone need to be put in for that, and kostka needs to be recalled today......j moore can sit one out , along with duke éclair.......and fast needs to heal...the prince should get one too......probably tomorrow's away game.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:39 am EST

York- Good points. I agree with you on Miller as per today. Maybe I am a bit too optimistic, but I still hope that he will get a little bit of more laid back thinking apporch for a centericemen and don't force things all the time. Because so much is there in his game to start with, and he is still pretty young. To put it like this, when I saw Miller when he was 18 y/o I thought that all the fundamentals were there for a 18 y/o, I had no worries about his 2-way game, he was real far from a Nik Zherdev II type. But I questioned his top end ability, would he become a solid top 9 forward or did he have potential to become a good top 6? You know. Know its like he has pushed his top end abilities, but still hasn't straightened out his 2-way game for a center. And should that really be impossible for him to do? Is it all "IQ" or is some of it attributeable to the fact that he seems to be a kid in a great deal of hurry to establish himself (for good and bad)?

Ola


Fri Oct 10 2014 7:16 am EST

York: I concur Girardi had a good physical game. I liked Staal's play too.

RF4L


Fri Oct 10 2014 6:35 am EST

Great win love how most said we didn't have a chance I don't care what anyone says we were never behind in this game the blues played catch up hockey and lost. People say the blues are a power house etc. Hitchcock paid the rangers the ultimate respect by saying he wanted his team to play a skating and uptempo style the ranges do. Hitch does not hand out compliments which shows the respect the rangers are given. Now the game Nash best game in a long time. Said he will net 45-50 this year. Miller I said it before I'll say it again not a top line center he doesn't have the hockey IQ for it. The game is too fast at this level he would be better served at wing. He didn't even win a faceoff last night. The kid oozes talent and has size but that's not enough at this level and when you aren't factoring in on the scoreboard hit something don't skate around even Nash got that part last year in the POs. Duclair is a great feel good story but he's playing real NHL hockey now and he looked like he needs work and to put on some muscle and strength I'd send him back to jrs after the 9 games let him get a taste and learn what he needs to do to be n NHL regular. I think haggerty would be better suited. Boyle hurt freak accident not an age related issue at all didn't look bad in his short time playing. JMoore is not getting better sure he can skate but what is he? He's not an offensive dman he's not a stay at home he's got nothing other than smooth skater. Fast had a quiet game thing is he always does even when he scores he's just unassuming in his game. Malone needs to play and if miller has another repeat of last night so does Hayes. I'd sit duc for Malone and miller for Hayes only if miller has a repeat of last night. Zucc fighting lol the guy is fearless but someone like glass should have sent the message you don't go after zucc period. Kreider man he's a beast he will net 25-30 this year. Girardi played very physical and I liked it. Glass did what I expected but should have fought. I like this team and let the media sleep on the rangers hopefully the rest of the league will too doubtful since the blues didn't.

York18


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:51 am EST

"Anthony Duclair, who made his NHL debut at the age of 19, had a couple of impressive shifts in the first period but was ineffective through the second and third periods, finishing with 11:12 of ice time. The winger did not get on for the final 7:38"

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 5:22 am EST

Nice to see BAZOOKERELLA get in a fight to wake up his team, but he needs to have some ammunition and learn how to protect himself.... Nyr should hire a hockey fight instructor .... Maybe puriton , he can teach the turtle position....it's better than the punching bag stand ....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:27 am EST

Kostka, former captain at Amherst College, lead the team with 7 PPGs his senior year. Ladies and gentlemen, introducing your new PPQB...

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 2:22 am EST

Well, I hope the rest of my predictions come true, not just the negative one...anyway, I foresee the Rangers promoting KOSTKA over McILRATH right now, even though I think they should give Mac the nod...KLEIN jumps up with STAAL...third pairing's ice diminishes...And if I'm not mistaken, Kostka doesn't need to go through waivers a second time...they just shuffle some paperwork...he's more AV's speed and I just don't see him reversing so quickly on Mac...who knows though? This would be a great time for Mac to test his mettle.

tdchi


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:46 am EST

Glass with 6 hits in 14:11 tonight

Messier11


Fri Oct 10 2014 1:14 am EST

Glad my prediction skills are still working in reverse! Nice gritty win` To bad about Boyle but that's not our last injury this season always part of the good fortune needed to win a CUP. Will be helpful if Hayes can get back for Columbus. LGR!

MelvilleFred


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:50 am EST

Nice to see Rick Nash pick it up where he left it last season, good intensity and hard work from him. I think MSL was able to open things up in a way Stepan couldn't and that showed. Makes you wonder what AV will do when. Stepan returns?

Ola


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:40 am EST

KIS - I hear ya about the compettion at W and lack of bodies at C but I just don't like the way MILLER plays at C.....But it would be so much easier for the Rangers if he could succeed consistently at C.....I just find him more effective when he plays a simple game flying down the ice and banging..I would put him with MOORE and GLASS..But it dpepletes center but is that worse then plaing an ineffecti ve player???....I don't know....Maybe Make do with Hayes,, MUeller, LIndberger or even LOmbardi at the open C spot untiil Stepan comes back....of course, this would mean moving St. Louis off only happens with a trade!

Hospo


Fri Oct 10 2014 12:19 am EST

good thing Rangers have depth this year. cant believe boyle breaks hand. that is a concern for ranger success, injuries. Hospo like your comment about miller on the wing but who is he gonna beat out.I think the kid needs to be the center part of a package for a trade for a center. TD like the kid a lot but I just dont know. I dont think he is at a level for him to be a center on a SC winning team. He might achieve that level but not this year. with Boyle out does big Mc come up. I would also rather see hunwick in the line up instead of Moore.

KIS


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:53 pm EST

Why didn't Girardi have an "A" on his sweater?

Higgy21


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:29 pm EST

Jets should take better care of our future property..... Per Bob McKenzie ..... No official word yet from WPG on Evander Kane's apparent knee injury but there is considerable concern on degree of severity.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:24 pm EST

John Moore is bad defensively and has poor instincts in the offensive zone....Was weak on first Blues goal and had a horrible turnover on a rush where he had a clear shot at the net....Would love to see Hunwick with Mac as a third pair....Klein will be moved up with Staal....AV said he doesn't know what was wring with JT on faceoffs as he had been doing well....He better get going or he will be replaced soon....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:22 pm EST

Injury #2 dan Boyle out 4-6 weeks broken hand ...

stevielegs


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:20 pm EST

Both of Nash's goals from high slot, he needs to make that his office. Said it all summer. Was going to write him a letter LOL. Straight away high, not from the side. If he does that guys will charge at him & and he'll make them miss. And Kreider? HA! Unless teams forbid a dman from crossing their own blue line, youre never stopping him.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:19 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/10/09/rick-nashs-two-goals-propel-rangers-past-blues-in-opener/

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:06 pm EST

JMO, but I don't really want to see my number 7 or number 8 defenseman play everyday for the next 1-2 months(and definitely not either of these 2 bozos). I would much rather the team bring up a player that they think is close to being NHL ready.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:58 pm EST

VIC..... Hank gave up an easy rebound that he should've had but let's still blame John Moore for the goal. Makes sense to me.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:50 pm EST

MF: I think AV will want two shut-down defensive pairs that he can count on. That is why I think KLEIN will get moved up to play with STAAL. I also think HUNWICK's skating ability and speed would help to offset DM's lact of speed. Yes, J MOORE is a great skater as well but HUNWICK can't be any worse then MOORE defensively. J MOORE was the guilty party on the first Blues goal. He was so soft on that play. He just let his SCHWARTZ go on that play with no attempt to tie him up. HOSPO: I don't know on MILLER. He looked like he was afraid to make a mistake tonight. He played pretty tentatively which is unlike what we saw from him in preseason. MILLER has looked his best to me when he plays Center. He just looks lost on the wing. But, if he is going to play Center he needs to play better then he did tonight. That is why I think HAYES gets a shot. They need to push each other and may the better player win.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:45 pm EST

Lookit, one game for rooks & vets alike do no grand conclusions, but thus is theproblem I have with JT Miller far more often than not Iin his NHL careervthus far; WTF is he? Did he dress? Forget no points. Did he crack anybody? Draw a penalty with relentless hard work?:make a stellar defensive play? Would be surprised AV sends an early message and dresses Hayes. Theyre just awaiting clearance from docs. Dom Moore coughed one up bad on 2-2 goal. He's inside the blue line, no play, dump. Youre not Jean Beliveau.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:42 pm EST

BTW, I thought STEMP had a real good game but I don't understand why AV is using him on the PP point. I would put STEMP with MOORE and GLASS on the 4th line. On DUCLAIR, I'm not making any final judgements because after all, it was his first real NHL game....and it was on the road against one of the biggest, toughest and best teams in the league. That he didn't shine isn't a knock against him. He did some nice things tonight but he was pushed around a bit and made some poor decisions. I would have to agree that the Rangers will need to see more then this from him otherwise he should go back to Juniors.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:42 pm EST

VIC - I honestly think they should use MILLER on the Wing and just let him play a crashing physical game....Kid is fast, strong, and can pounce on mistakes....Too much going on at the center spot for him...JMWO..

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:39 pm EST

Vic: interesting call on bringing Hunwick up to play with McIlwrath & bench JMoore.... Another possibility would have Hunwick playing the Right side on Staals line.

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:39 pm EST

RF4L - Wasn't really criticizing MILLER's play just noting that it doesn't take miuch for AV not to use him much, even in the first game of the season...OTOH, Moore does kill a lot of penalties......MILLER didn't play all that much in the 3rd, was he really 0-8 in the FO circle? We can't just have Dom Moore doing a good job there this season...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:36 pm EST

I'll comment on the game tomorrow. I need some sleep. But, I did want to comment on where I think the Rangers should go from here with the roster. I too was thinking DM needed to be brought up during the game. The Blues were physically man handling the Rangers for most of the last two periods. That was before the BOYLE injury. After the injury I still think DM should be up and in the lineup but I would also swap out MOORE for HUNWICK for the next game. Move KLEIN up to play with STAAL and pair DM with HUNWICK against Columbus. My guess is that FAST is out. He played well prior to getting hurt but wasn't nearly as effective after that and was one of the guilty parties on the second goal with a lazy backcheck. If healthy I think MALONE is in the lineup and on the wing with MZA and BRASSARD. I would also not be surprised to see HAYES in for MILLER. We should know tomorrow what they plan to do for Saturday.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:34 pm EST

Hospo: Miller had his moments, but his passing was off - some good ones but lots to nowhere. In his defense, other than the first line, that description fits almost every forward tonight. And agreed on the consensus on Fast - yet another game I've seen him in where he does nothing to impress me. Duclair was invisible, too.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:29 pm EST

Turned the game on late..was wondering what STEMP was doing on the PP point? Indeed blows about BOYLE..Not perfect, but good win against a good team on the road..What more can you ask for??......Yeah, the Blues are a a bit stronger/tougher but the Rangers don't back down..If wqe were in the West, injuries would defiantly be a biiger problem.....Still, we need to play as much size as possible, and that means Malone...............Love the start to my "NASH is gonna have a huge year" bus but looks like my 35 goals is going to be a tad light..That line looked real good....Has Kid K learned how to finish? St. Louis is a freaking battler....gonna have a huge year also......AS I wondered this afternoon, MOORE and GLASS got quite a bit of ice time....They will be key players for AV this year......Not so sure JT MILLER will be and if that's how DUCLAIR will get used, JUniors will be in his future,,,,,,FAST has NEVER done anything for me,,still doesn't ..Didn't lie his backchecking on the Blues 2nd goal either....Get MALONE in the lineup...Liked STEMP also....,offers a little bit of everything.,,,One bad goal from Hank but he also made some beauties...seems to be his calling card early in the season..

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:27 pm EST

Let the rollercoaster ride begin... different look with Boyle in, so of course now he's out.... great pass by St Louis on the winner, the kind that gets forgotten when the big guns are firing.. damn we're quick on the puck in all zones.. saw thd commitment to D still, critically important if sloppy at times. Zuc is an animal haha. But Im nauseous about Boyle. 1st game? Damn. Eould be amazed if Fast doesnt have a hairline fracture at least. Thats why you dont block shots wildly.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:26 pm EST

Mac with Stall. Malone replaces Hags on Brass Zucc line.

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:23 pm EST

Yeah, I thin they have to bring up the Undertaker. It's early - being the snarl. I honestly think that if he is given the chance he will adapt. He was so much closer this year in preseason.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:20 pm EST

Alright, was it TD or RR who predicted Boyle's injury?

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:20 pm EST

The terrible thing about Boyle's injury is that we lose a PPQB and he has not had any time to develop chemistry with anyone. Good times. BTW, I would still bring up Conor Allen over McIlrath.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:20 pm EST

I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being one of the best games I see all season. I also wouldn't be surprised to see those two teams in the SCF.

Messier11


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:19 pm EST

mf: Good questions and why McI may not be recalled.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:19 pm EST

Mr: but I get so ex-ex-ex-cited! ;-)

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:18 pm EST

so then, do you pair McIlrath with Staal on the 3rd pair & have Klein & Moore move up to 2nd pair, or, trust J.Moore with Big Mac on the 3rd?

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:17 pm EST

Bring up Big Mac now while it's early in the year. I'm sorry to all the Fast fans but he is very pedestrian in just about every game I see him in. Bugsy time.

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:14 pm EST

IMO, slap in the face for McI if Kostka is recalled......

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:14 pm EST

Z, stop stuttering.......

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:13 pm EST

Our top 2 RHS D'men in the system: McIlwrath & Kostka

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:13 pm EST

Or Kostka?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:13 pm EST

So Boyle gone....does McI get recalled???

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Sorry folks... wtf? That was a weird glitch.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:11 pm EST

Damn on Boyle - funny, but you could tell he actually helps our breakout quite a bit. He made some nice plays.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:10 pm EST

BTW, Philly lost 6 - 4 to NJ tonight, giving them an 0 and 2 start. Berube's job will be on the line in another week at this rate!! LOL

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:09 pm EST

“@PLeonardNYDN: Vigneault just says Dan Boyle broke his hand and is out four to six weeks”

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:04 pm EST

LOL! F'in Chico is the worst, but Panger and his brown-tongue are getting pretty close. Seriously... I've seen less unrealistic enthusiasm from a porno. ;-)

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:02 pm EST

Ironic that the play where Girardi hurt Statsny should have been blown dead if they called the headshot to Zucc a penalty right before. Did not like the liberties taken on the rangers tonight with little push back. Needs to be addressed sooner than later. Malone will help when he can get back.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:02 pm EST

Trade: Yeah man and Nash is gonna scored 164 goals, then 32 more in the POs!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:01 pm EST

... ... ... Just hope to think this team is legit - nobody is drinking the Kool-aid - just happy to see us gut out a game that might have been a hard one to win... more impressive to me to think we overcame and imposed a little bit of will. I actually think this team has the potential to be better than last year - at least faster and harder to handle.

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:01 pm EST

Z: Yeah, his gooing over the Oshie/MZA fight was downright embarrassing and then when the Blues tied it up in the 3rd, he sounded beyond gleeful. Kinda reminded me of Chico Reesch, minus the Uncle Daddy adoration.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:59 pm EST

We are gonna go 82-0. Then sweep the playoffs/Cup with a 16-0 record.

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:57 pm EST

RF4L: Seriously though- how much of a homer do you have to be? I would honestly think that people might respect a legit even view on the game, but NOOOOOoooo! He might as well be over there by the bench giving the Blue's players a handy. For the love of Mike! Call it like it is, not how you spin it! It's OK... the fans of this game are intelligent hockey people. Get some mouthwash and stop being such a stooge!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:57 pm EST

Now wondering how bad Boyle's hand is. Did not like the lines like everyone else. The Rangers were guilty of bad turn overs. Making too soft plays to clear their zone, etc. they better play better game for Columbus. At least the top line capitalized on their chances.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:57 pm EST

Malone and Hayes were both listed as day-to-day, but I think one or both may be in tomorrow night. Zucc's line really needs a physical player on it, If nothing, else than to give Zucc some backup when players try to take liberties.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:55 pm EST

😄😃😀😊😊😋😎

hipcheck


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:55 pm EST

I just turned on the Arizona game....lol

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:54 pm EST

RF...Agree on Stempniak.......Sit Fast to get Malone in......Stemp on the fourth line would be fine.....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:54 pm EST

Rhet: Don't disagree but like I said, game breakers the Blues don't have. Nor do they have a goalie like the King. Elliot is a journeyman goalie and I suspect it won't be long before the kid there (can't recall his name) is getting the bulk of the games. I'm not hanging the loss on him solely, but when you're the number 1 goalie, you gotta make the big save when it's needed. Anyways, the Rangers skill players made the biggest difference tonight IMO.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:53 pm EST

Yea Rangers,

WIOSA


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:52 pm EST

Also, when was the last time we won the opening game of the season?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:52 pm EST

Team of Destiny? Just when the puck was not bouncing their way, and they looked like the same 'Ol Rangers not putting the game away with that wimpy PP, the puck takes that sweet bounce off the glass right to St Louis to Nash. game!

NYStranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:51 pm EST

The Blues are singing the blues tonight. F them and that shitty crime ridden city.

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:51 pm EST

Honestly, couldn't ask for too much more on opening night in a West contender's barn. Nash-Krieder-St. Louis look preety good together. Yeah, don't like Hags with Zugg-Brass at all. They need a big body to cause interference. I honestly think Malone in that spot would be good for the time being. He needs to get in the game. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:51 pm EST

I thought, other than the first line, the best Ranger forward was Stempniak. Hagelin was noticeable, as he usually is due his speed, but made a few dumb plays. The rest were non-descript. I say put Malone with Brassard and MZA. Who do you sit tho?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:50 pm EST

RF4L.... With all the new players we have on this team and after losing Stepan, The Blues had no business losing to us.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:49 pm EST

I know he's a lefty, but I'd recall Conor Allen before anyone else.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:48 pm EST

Nash, when he's on and Kreider - 2 players the Blues, who are very deep team, lack. That, in the end, was the difference in this game IMO.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:47 pm EST

If Dan Boyle is out who takes his place?......Call up Mac?.......

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:46 pm EST

They found a way to win this game against a good team that outplayed them for the last 2 periods. The lines need a lot of work. Don't like Brass-Zucc-Hags, don't like Stemp-Miller-Duke. Liked Duke on the PP...he had a primo chance in the 3rd from the high slot and broke his stick....he looks like a keeper to me.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:46 pm EST

Nice opening road win. That's about as physical a first game as I can remember

RDW


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:46 pm EST

Z: Yeah, that's almost as sweet as the victory itself.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:45 pm EST

Nice win against a good team..... A tough place for us to win for years......

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:45 pm EST

Wow...what a top line! Nash on pace for a 164 goal season!!!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:44 pm EST

BWAHAHA! How does it taste Panger?

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:44 pm EST

I'll take 2, please.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:42 pm EST

Norris!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:41 pm EST

What a play by Mcdonagh

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:40 pm EST

Whoever suggested trading Nash? He's a keeper...

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:40 pm EST

We have a top line center ! Hahahahaha

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

Fuckin' Nash!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

take that Panger , go blow Schwartz !!!

caperanger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

That line looks very good! NASH!!!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

Boom!!!! No quit!

Shaggy


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

F'in RICK NASH!!!!!!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

Nasher!!!!!!

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

This line. THIS LINE.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:39 pm EST

NASSSSHHHHHTTTTTYY

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:38 pm EST

Wow...Meant to say sick of John Moore's lousy play....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:38 pm EST

Fast does nothing for me....Need Malone in there and put Stepniak on fourth line....I like his game...Shk of his lousy playould be a short leash on John Moore also....Sick of his lousy play....

PJ


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:37 pm EST

Darren Pang , the little prick , I am so tired of listening to him gush about the Blues

caperanger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:37 pm EST

All right, hunker down and get at least a point.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:35 pm EST

Useless stat Rhet; what game are you watching?!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:33 pm EST

Well, they can sure call tripping involving Zucc ONE way...

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:33 pm EST

Then they are soft hits Rhet. This period has been all St Louis, including pummelling hits.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:32 pm EST

The Rangers are outhitting the St. Louis 20-14.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:32 pm EST

Anybody notice Dan Boyle left the game w hand injury??

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:31 pm EST

Rangers D doing too much poke checking tonight....they need to take the body more. They backed up way too much on that 2nd goal

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:31 pm EST

RF.., spot on!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:30 pm EST

Team is just too soft. Getting hammered.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:30 pm EST

How did stastny go from his death bed limping off the ice to flying in the third?

nyfans


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:30 pm EST

Rangers, since late in the 1st, have looked like shit IMO. No sustained offense, missed passes and being outhit all over the ice. Sure hope Ryan Malone is dressed next game. And can we call up McI please?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:27 pm EST

Terrible job by Moore getting the puck stolen and then Girardi does his best turn-style impression

RDW


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:27 pm EST

Did that go in off of Girardi? It looked like Hank never saw it.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:27 pm EST

terrible turnover by MOORE and than even worst backcheck by FAST... WTF kid, where is the hustle??? Lazy play.. unacceptable

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:26 pm EST

Darren Pang's 2 inch penis is fully erect....

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:24 pm EST

Nice to see the PP still sucks.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:23 pm EST

And I love the King, but geesh, please don't handle the puck. You suck at it.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:23 pm EST

Tool blues announcers gushing over Oshit beating up an infant!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:22 pm EST

Have the Rangers won a FO tonight??

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:21 pm EST

Sweet goal by Kri-by! LGR!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:21 pm EST

Boys gotta move the legs. Not a good sit back and play D team. What a winger we have in Kreids.!

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

Looks like Kreider added a little "stutter" before his typical breakaway shot IMO

RDW


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

A lot of teams are gonna try to rough up this fast Rangers team. It must suck playing a team when you have to be on your jets at all times or you will get beaten with a turn over or a great pass like the one we just saw that sprung Kreider.

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

St Louis is pounding on the NYRs... not sure the Rangers can withstand 80 games of abuse.. teams know they have little protection in in the lineup...

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:20 pm EST

McI needs to be on this team. He just does.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:18 pm EST

Great play by Staal to free up Kreider... sign him NOW

schneidw


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:18 pm EST

I thought Krei was gonna give the goalie the "Krei by"......thats when he slides into the goalie and putting him out for the season

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

4 months too late, Chris.

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

The Kreider!!! As Carpiniello says!!

jratelle19


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

Staal pulls a Girardi! Big Mac NOW!

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

& no goalie interference!

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

yeahBABYYYYYKREIIIIDERRRRRR

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:17 pm EST

Kreiiiiiiiii baby

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:16 pm EST

"Man, we're getting pummeled this period. Where's the little guy to start a fight?"

Rexi29


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:16 pm EST

Zucc took 100 shots but got the best shot in that tilt with Oshie.....Zucc wasn't even breathing hard after that fight or show indication that he was punched

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:10 pm EST

2 hand-aways in 5 seconds by Boyle. What an adventure he can be in his own end.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:08 pm EST

Hank should've had that.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:08 pm EST

And a lousy 3rd period start....

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:07 pm EST

Agreed the Rangers played a very uninspiring period, save for a few stretches. Lots of misses passes. What's with Hagelin suddenly trying to be a puck-handling wizard? And notice 2/3's the way thru the period Staal and Klein had a couple of shifts together?

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:07 pm EST

JFC..... Sloppy and flat yes, but undisciplined is a little bit strong. It's the first game of the season and there are a lot of new faces on this team. These things will happen when we play from behind until we develop that chemistry. It's not like the Kings where they brought back 21 or 23 players. It's early and to be expected. JMO.... Hank has been amazing tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:04 pm EST

Rhet: Yeah and the main culprit is that little nob Darren Pang. He's annoying as hell and yes, a colour guy shouldn't be quiet, but he needs to learn that someone in that role can actually talk too much. I mean, geesh.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:48 pm EST

The King has been very sharp

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:48 pm EST

Undisciplined, sloppy,flat period

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:48 pm EST

The Blues announcers get excited over every little thing their players do. It's annoying.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:44 pm EST

JFC.... I don't want to jinx the guy but I was thinking the same thing.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:43 pm EST

Living on the PK is not good. Lucky Girardi didn't get a major.

Shaggy


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:32 pm EST

From preseason right through these 2 periods...the Duke just looks like an NHL player. They put him on the PP and he fits right in....nice pass, nice deflection. He just looks like an NHLer.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:31 pm EST

Really impressed with the Rangers skating up & down the line-up against one of the better teams in the league. Yeah baby...

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:26 pm EST

Weak.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:21 pm EST

The Rangers haven't missed a beat on the PK.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:19 pm EST

Even NASH looks quick....excellent forechecking on the PK

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:17 pm EST

Must say I don't get why Dan Boyle is killing penalties. Is that in his contract??

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:17 pm EST

The Blues are a bunch of bitches

TradeStar28


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:17 pm EST

Man, Fast had a HUGE, raised egg on his forearm.....that does not look good. Rangers starting 2nd period FLAT.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:16 pm EST

Look at Backes acting all indignant because someone (Girardi) did to him what he does all the time to others. Suckhole. He belongs on the Bruins with that petulant attitude.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:13 pm EST

St. Louis is really taking it to the Rangers this period.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:58 pm EST

Stamp had a good period. McD looks amazing....

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:56 pm EST

I love the way that our quickness allows us to get into the opposing players' faces....whether it be hard on the forecheck or simply chasing the puck carrier and not letting them breathe.....or catching them from behind, like Kreider did. Duclair looked amazingly comfortable handling the puck, back checking and making some nice passes. We are gonna be the Kings of home run pass breakaways this season....we look for those passes on a regular basis and with our speed, we're gonna do damage on those passes.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:47 pm EST

Well Pa. I see u are in mid season nasty form. U are such an ass and so miserable ur wife probably takes a pain killer just by having to wake up next to u in the morning

KIS


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:45 pm EST

Assholes like Steve Ott are another reason why I will love it if/when McI makes the team. I hate that guy and would be quite pleased if someone concussed him out of the league.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:27 pm EST

Rhet. Agree. Let Krieds take the draw for MSL .

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:27 pm EST

Wow we look fast - faster than last year. This is going to be a great seasons. The boys get what AV wants them to do and this team almost looks tailor-made for it. Funny, but the slowest forwards on our team (Boyle and Richards) are gone - and replaced by guys who can skate. We are going to overwhelm many a team with team speed. LGR!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:26 pm EST

JT Miller needs to throw some bodies around.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:25 pm EST

Brandon Halverson update: Played his 5th consecutive game for the SSM Greyhounds last night (team's backup yet to get a minute of regular season play) and stopped 15 of 16 shots to go 5 and 0 and lower his meagre stats to 2.0 GGA and 935 save %. SSM, BTW, rated as the 3rd best CHL team (prior to last night's game). What a start!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:24 pm EST

Where ST. Louis will have his problems at center in on the face offs.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:21 pm EST

We are QUICK!! Great play by Kreider, great finish by Nash!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:21 pm EST

Daddy to be big nash potatoes

stevielegs


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:21 pm EST

NASHER! SIGN OF THINGS TO COME? LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:20 pm EST

RICK NASH!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:18 pm EST

mf: Sather isn't on top of my favourites list. He's no longer languishing at the bottom of the opposite, however. That said, it won't take much for him to drop like a stone....

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:15 pm EST

E-L-L-I-O-T.......... E.T.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:14 pm EST

What I like about Duclair is that he back checks like it's instinct and lifts other guys sticks off the puck when playing D. If he continues playing good D and scores every now and then, IMO, the Rangers will keep him past the 10 games. Nash with the first goal from Marty .....NN.... I like your predictions :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:59 pm EST

I do have one prediction for the season. HAGS will score the first goal for the team this season. LGR!!!!!

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:56 pm EST

Here we go! Happy New Season, everyone!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:48 pm EST

Ok. After a good happy hour cocktail my negative feelings for tonight's game has turned to optimism. The advantage in net has me hopeful for this one. But I'm hoping the Duke is just one of those players who can score no matter where he is or who he plays with. He definitely gives this team a dynamic it has been missing. Though disappointed no Bugsy. I feel AV knows it's a long season and now is the time to find out what he's got rather than push Malone if not 100%. He will be there in the end for us I believe. Looking forward to the performances of our youngsters. LGR !

stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:47 pm EST

Let's Go Rangers! My mom will be at the game tonight. She is thrilled that she doesn't have to see Biron in net this year.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:32 pm EST

I cant tell ... are people toying with the python.... on opening night?

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:10 pm EST

Rabbit.., that is a very exclusive Club to be a part of. Gotta earn the stripes before you can get the keys to the washroom.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:06 pm EST

KIS.., I see you're the f@#%@ prognosticator again. What a tool! While you're at it; tell me how this ebola thing is gonna work out! Oh, and save the weak sauce for some of the "rocket scientists" on board here.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:59 pm EST

Wabbit; The CJAC would be the "Clueless Jack Ass Club," sorry, you're over qualified to pledge! ;-)

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:29 pm EST

Chris Pronger working for player safety? Gimme a break. And Kristo tweeting about Forrest Gump video games? Starting to see why the early cut. Im only checking tweets so I can find out the @! $#ing lineup!!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:04 pm EST

MF, wth is the CJAC? You watching the Ukranian broadcast? Answer me ya bastid!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:47 pm EST

Those lines legit? Cause itd be an improvement. No need for Stemp & Fast. Not at the expense of Bugsy. Ok, now Im ready. Break their legs!!!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:44 pm EST

CARP says Malone is scratched, along with Hunwick and Hayes.

Bob


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:43 pm EST

Tonights Line Combo's from the CJAC: Malone / Miller / Nash... Hagelin / Brassard / MZA .... Kreider / MSL / Duclair ..... Glass / Moore / Stempniak ......

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 4:24 pm EST

Like otherwise you like Sather, right ? :-) .... Mazel Tov on the center ice package. ;-)

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:57 pm EST

:->)

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:50 pm EST

MF - Why the hell do you think I like Lombardi! Sounds Italian!

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:45 pm EST

Just ordered NHL center ice so I can watch the Rangers. They'd better not disappoint/underachieve - don't wanna spend that money (nearly $200) only to be clicking to another station in frustration. I'll really loath Sather if that's the case!!!!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:42 pm EST

It's been awhile..but here are my predictions...RANGERS will not go 82-0; Lundqvist will not have a 0.00 gaa or 1.000 Save percentage, which I know will upset a few on this wall :)

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:31 pm EST

Defacto 3rd line? Everything's Italian by you, mama mia!

mf


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:14 pm EST

RF4L - Can't say I'm at all concerned..If they win, they win, they lose, they lose...the key is to get this team settled down,and.Either way, they should learn things bout some of the newer players and some of the older players in new positions (St. Louis) that will lead to some stability..Of course, a win would be better!!!

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 3:13 pm EST

It's all about NASH & the Power Play this year. If he steps up, & the PP is Top 10, the sky is the limit. Really rooting super hard for DUCLAIR, MCDONAGH & KREIDER. Dreaming of the CUP, but would be thrilled & very satisfied with another final 4 appearance.... in reality, we'll probably get bounced in the 2nd round. -- ((("LET'S-GO-RANGERS")))!!!!

hipcheck


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:43 pm EST

I am concerned about tonight's game because the Blues are a formidable foe, especially because it's not late in the season or the POs (where they tend to underachieve), Hitchcock will have his team prepared (as usual), and I don't get the feeling AV has sorted out his lines yet, due to no BR or Stepan.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:36 pm EST

Be curios to see tonight whether the Blues just go straight up against the Rangers or, with the line change advantage, go with Backes and Oshi agasint the likes of Miller-Duclair,,,For that matter, i'm also curios to see how much ice time the Moore-Glass line gets compared to Miller's line.. as they may just be the defacto 3rd line agasint a team like the Blues....Either way, should be interesting...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:27 pm EST

I'd tend to agree with Fred, feels like a 4-1, 5-2 type night. EXCEPT, that's where a newfangled PP can make a difference. While that game is still 2-0, 2-1, you have a chance to climb back in if you get one. AND you get the Big Mo. Then if its a 1-goal game, the teams clamp down again, anything can happen - and - we've got some serious game-breakers on this team now. But the power play has to be there, has to come through some of the time. We didn't maximize our talent last year because the PP was so putrid. Same thing works in reverse, a 2-0 lead and you can just about put the game away if you add one with the man-advantage. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:20 pm EST

RF4L....good point. I feel the same way coming out of camp which is that Talbot has shown himself to be a capable backup and no more than that. Looked very shaky.

MelvilleFred


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:18 pm EST

Blues 4 Rangers 1........MSL at Center will be a disaster.

MelvilleFred


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:18 pm EST

The big unknown for me is will Dan Boyle actually have an impact our power play? Feels like forever since we've had a good one. And if so will it be enough to offset his regular defense? (side note: hope he's not on our PK like he was in preseason). Let's Go Rangers!

LeoS


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:14 pm EST

Sorry KIS, things have changed: According to article XIX subsection 64.2 (g) of the Affordable Care Act, as of March 2014 all ass-kicking contests will be required to provide prosthetic limbs to any and all differently-abled entrants.

LeoS


Thu Oct 9 2014 2:03 pm EST

RF: And to help with the goalies we hire Billy Smith as coach? :(

Ranger47


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:18 pm EST

RR/DCI: LOL - well given Sather's lack of reluctance to sign ex-Flyers, Penguins and Devils, it's not out of the realm of possibilities. As putrid as it may be to envision.

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:16 pm EST

KIS - If Sather makes that big trade, I might have to edit the part about stumbling in the POs!!!!...My prediction of such a good year goes hand in hand with expecting NASH and St. Louis to have big years..,,but it may turn out that, as you say, St. Louis is too old..and I'm just being a fool expecting Nash to put it together after last year

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:12 pm EST

Gotta hand it to you RF. That's about an 8.75 on the twisted scale!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 1:06 pm EST

RF - That will be a two day wall suspension for even floating that idea! I just threw up in my mouth.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 12:56 pm EST

RR: Or the King gets a long term injury and the hiccups experienced by the Prince in pre-season proves to be the norm, forcing the Rangers to seek goaltending help outside of the organization and they sign Uncle Daddy to a deal! DOH!

RF4L


Thu Oct 9 2014 12:27 pm EST

Love all the optimism. I think it should be a good year as well. II think the team will need a major trade for a center to get to the next level. Don't know who it will be. Maybe a Staal brother coming this way as Carolina looks to tank and get the number one pick.. Ironic. lets see how long it will be until wallsters are screaming Sather sucks, AV no good. MSL to old and Nash sucks. hahahaha Rabid and Tdchi I like both of your predictions alot. Wondering how long until York is challenging somebody to a one legged ass kicking contest. enjoy the season and lets go Rangers. Of course Pa is no where to be found. I'm sure he will make his appearance soon to rip into somebody's ass probably mine. what a jackass

KIS


Thu Oct 9 2014 12:10 pm EST

My predictions for the season: There will be a beginning to it and there will be an end to it. Somewhere close to the middle of the season there will be a game played where the best players voted by the fans will play another game. I will even predict that they will call it the "All-Star game." JMO.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:56 am EST

Pal17: I'll be in Sec 210 Row 4 for the opener........look forward to it

jnyr


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:51 am EST

td -- stop being so vague.....could you be a little more specific?!? ;^)

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:19 am EST

New Season Wallsters, Thanks for all the NYR info during the short summer! Cant believe I've been on here since 97..... I have a pair of tickets available for Opening Night in Sect 220, Row 6 Seats 23 & 24 (aisle) anyone interested can email me at artpal17@yahoo.com I can send a paypal request for payment.

Pal17


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:15 am EST

As for the season, RANGERS WIN THE EAST but stumble in the POS (hard to get two long runs back to back) because Sather fails to pony up and upgrade at the Deadline...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:13 am EST

Damn TDCHI..Break those things up into short stories!.......As far as lines, talking time and opinions are done, the proof will be in the pudding the next two games...we'll see...

Hospo


Thu Oct 9 2014 11:13 am EST

Wow, that's a mighty fine prediction TD. McIlrath giving Lucic a concussion might produce an orgasm. Actually, there's no might about it. Hmm... Let's see... I can envision all kinds of unexpected events this year. Hank getting injured pretty seriously for the first time in his career. Cam becomes the man. He's shakier than last season (based on his few appearances thus far), but an improved offense keeps the team afloat in the standings.Sather, not getting any younger, tires of the JT Miller project by Thanksgiving. By Xmas, he's a Shark, along with Klein.Joe Thorton is a Ranger. McIlrath steps in but not up, and we're searching for a dman at the deadline. Zuc goes down from a nasty slash, because Dmen get tired of him deking them from their jocks. Malone is just great, when he's healthy, which is infrequent. Dom Moore's play reminds us why he was on half a dozen teams. Oscar Lindberg joins the team in January and Moore becomes a black ace. Lee Stempniak kicks butt. So does Tanner Glass. Duclair stays with the team after a hot start but tails off. the Rangers keep him though.he ends up with 22 goals, gets his 2nd wind, and becomes a playoff badass. Lundqvist returns but struggles, and the team plays better in front of Talbot, providing AV with a dilemma. He rotates goalies throughout the playoffs trying to get Hank a Cup when the team should be the no. 1 priority. The Rangers need a miraculous comeback in the first round to advance, trailing by two late in the 3rd v. Washington. Hagelin and Rick Nash save the day. Yes, Nash, who takes yet another wicked headshot in February, returns and is again uneven. MSL blows a wheel and his career appears over. Ryan Haggerty is the callup, and fills in admirably. Marc Staal steps up offensively, something everyone thought they'd never see again. Chris Kreider is suspended for crippling yet another goaltender. the stigma becomes something that stays with him the rest of his career. Derek Stephan returns but is in a effective. Sather begins waving him under Stevie Y's nose in the hopes of snatching Stamkos (in his walk year in 16) but that dog won't hunt. Rangers are ousted by Toronto of all teams, never make it out of the conference. sorry boys, it just came out that way LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:46 am EST

Funny to read all these "pundits" make such genius predictions around the NHL...the ones I absolutely love: That LA is some kind of dynasty playing out just because they won two cups...and yet no mention of Chicago...how Pittsburgh is automatically a favorite to win the eastern conference, even though they're a weaker team than they were last year...ditto with the Bruins, who just lost one of their top defensemen...lost IGINLA...lost THORNTON...and replaced them with Cunningham, Spooner, Matt Fraser and Robbins, a career ECHLer...Anaheim is another that seems to get all this praise heaped on it, simply because they picked up KESLER...And yet the one team that seems almost wholly overlooked is the Rangers...in fact, some of these clowns are claiming they won't even make the playoffs...My predictions are that this team will be one of the best we've seen...I think the issues at center will quickly disappear as the season goes on...Predict career year from BRASSARD. I say he tops 50 points this year...KREIDER, I believe, will build on last year's production...I see 25 goals, 50-plus points...I think we'll see a career year out of ZUCCARELLO too..point-per-game production...NASH, I don't believe, will change his tune any from last season, though he too will end up with 30 goals 50-something points...MILLER will have a breakout year and solidify himself as the team's third-line center and, were it not for Brassard's improved play, would challenge for second line...HAYES has some bumps along the way, but settles in nicely to land a very respectable rookie season and stays with the team the whole year...factors into the Calder tallies...though he doesn't come close to winning it...DUCLAIR, after a strong start, plateaus and is loaned to Team Canada to lead the team to its first silver medal since 2011...Canada is foiled, though, by a strong Team USA backstopped by HALVERSON...Duke goes back to the Remparts in January and leads them ti their first Memorial Cup championship since 2006...His spot on the Rangers roster is filled by FAST, who proves to be a great addition to third line and an adept penalty killer...Hank has a banner year that earns him his second Vezina trophy...BOLYE, who starts strong, lands on the IR...STAAL is paired with KLEIN and moves up to PPQB on the second powerplay unit...tops career totals in points...McILRATH is recalled and becomes a fixture alongside John MOORE...wins over AV with his team play...MALONE, when healthy, becomes a beast for the Rangers...STEPAN returns in mid-November and the Rangers, already a good team, crank it up a notch and become dominant...Team never looks back...wins the president's trophy and faces a scrappy Islanders team in the first round...barely squeaks out a victory and then faces the big, bad Bruins, who pundits predict will roll over them easily...only the Rangers SWEEP Boston...dominating them both physically and on the scoreboard. McILRATH, playing in only his eighth playoff game, gives LUCIC a concussion...Rangers face Tampa in the conference finals and again, barley squeak by in a hard-fought series that basically amounts to a goaltenders duel...but Hank is better than BISHOP, who is runner up for the Vezina...Rangers face a dominant Chicago team with RICHARDS and CARCILLO in the lineup...pundits predict a repeat of the LA series...But instead, the bounces that didn't go their way in 2014 go their way against Chicago...Rangers lead 3-2 in the series, bring it back to the Garden for Game 6 and Ryan McDONAGH becomes the first Ranger captain since MESSIER to raise the cup over his head. That's my prediction and I'm standing by it ;)

tdchi


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:33 am EST

Yeah ok, Strickland; Ott and his - 35 really strikes fear in my heart.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:33 am EST

@andystrickland: Ken Hitchcock has said he'll try to balance out ice time among forwards. Alex Steen may be only player to see 20 minutes #stlblues

Messier11


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:28 am EST

@andystrickland: In reality the #stlblues have two first lines, a second line, and a third line. "4th line" of Ott, Lappierre, and Reaves should be a handful

Messier11


Thu Oct 9 2014 10:28 am EST

Vic- Interesting! My guess is that it almost is the opposite. I think AV used big parts of camp to try to find new combinations up front because he thought we needed to make changes. BUT, then I think he got cold feet the closer to tonight we got. In light of what happend early last season, I think he is afraid of a similar start and isn't prepared to enter a season again with unproven combos. Hags-Brass-Zucc, Kreider-Miller-Stepan is a chicken lineup from my POV.

Ola


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:50 am EST

Gotta say, having just seen a pic with all the assistants, that McD looks good wearing that "C"; it looks correct, and he looks damn proud wearing it. Kid could well be captain for the next dozen years. There's a lot that goes into that, depending on how the player approaches it. I remember hearing stories of Messier buying Darren Langdon new suits, leaving them hanging in his locker. McDonagh talked already about how his wife needs to deal with the other wives & GFs. All kinds of shit must pop up, and the captain becomes the go-to guy, in addition to being the No. 1 target for the media. Ordinarily I'd worry about putting it on a younger guy. Cally I never thought looked comfortable in the role. But McDonagh, I think he's going to relish this. And man, if this guy steps his game up even half a notch more, I don't even know what kind of dman we're talking about. It'd be off the charts.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 9:28 am EST

There has been a lot of talk about the 7th D. Who will Hunwick replace? My prediction is DanG. He is over 30 and has a lot of miles on that frame (Blocked shots alone) I can see him getting dinged and forcing our hand a bit. I hope Boyle is ticketed for the 3rd pairing even strength because he was horrific in our zone during the preseason.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:41 am EST

JFC/DCI - Were I to guess, BRASSARD isn't speaking on his personal relationship with HAGELIN...Rather who he thinks fits best with him and ZUCC...Can't say I necessarily disagree...If there's part of Hags' game I like it's that he's a relentless forechecker. Guy forces turnovers all the time, and that's all his linemates would need for a nice odd-man rush. Line also allows AV to load up first line...KREIDER-MSL-NASH...I personally don't like that line too much, but it gives the Rangers a sizable first line...Probably see something like MALONE-MILLER-DUCLAIR/HAYES as third line then STEMPNIAK-MOORE-GLASS on fourth...I'd still put JT between Nash and Kreider...but whatever...That's four lines the Rangers can roll very effectively...and if JT and Duke are on the same line, that could be a VERY exciting line...JT showed he can thread the needle...and Duke showed he can be that needle...Gonna miss Step and tonight's game is going to be a bitch, but I feel this team is going to come out fast from the blocks, unlike last year when it faltered.

tdchi


Thu Oct 9 2014 8:34 am EST

Enjoying the comments. Any day where hockey season starts is a beautiful day. Agree the first 10 games or d o are an extended camp for AV. Let him experiment because if not now, when? And there were so many new faces in camp, irs hard to make all the right calls off of only 3-4 games, which is the most anybody played. I am anxious to see if the PP makes a difference tonight if its a close game. Ir can hide a multitude of sins.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:58 am EST

JFC: I wouldn't get too worked up about the lines. It was pretty clear to me that the Rangers used the preseason and camp to identify the new faces that they wanted to start the season with in the lineup. They spent very little time trying to set lines for the season. Also, based on AV's comments there will most likely be changes to who is with the team over the first 10 to 15 games. I think AV believes the Rangers are good enough to spend the first 10 or 15 games of the year discovering what they have in their new players and identifying line combos. I am going to stay away from predictions for the team this year because so much is in flux right now. I could see so many different outcomes individually and collectively that I am just going to enjoy the ride again. I'm glad the season is finally here and I'm looking forward to this season more then any in a very long time.

Vic


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:53 am EST

JFC, that may be a force of habit. But these lines AV is tinkering with do not give me the warm and fuzzies. Injury may play a roll too.

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:32 am EST

So, Hagelin is the new linemate for Brass & Zucc because Brass requested it and the reason is because he and Hags "get along" so well. Jeez Louise? What is this, elementary school? That is no way to put tgether a line for the first game of the season. I don't care if Brass & Hags are BFFs....I only care if they can PLAY HOCKEY together! Really weird that AV would actually approach the opening game this way and then ADMIT IT. Who's in charge here? Sorry, maybe it's much ado about nothing, but it's just a bad impression IMO. "Oh, please, please coach, can I play with my best friend?" Ugh!

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 7:17 am EST

DC -- good post...but, do you really think the Rangers will barely "sneak" into the PO's this year? I think it's just a matter of how high we finish....I'm hoping that we're vying for !st place in the Division.

JFC31


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:09 am EST

Want to put my predictions on record. I don’t post often but am a daily reader of the wall. Here goes: Brassard – Will score 45 points and be inconsistent all year, Anthony DuClair – will stay with the team for the entire year forcing a trade (Most likely for a Center), Jesper Fast – Will have one more name change when he is sent back to Hartford the second time this year, Tanner Glass – Will get his ass kicked and kick ass equally and become a fan favorite for doing his job, Hagelin – Ugh, I love so much of his game, however I see him as Rico Fata with slightly better hands (He may be included in the trade for the center), Hayes – Suffers growing pains and should buy an Amtrak discount card to shuttle him back and forth between NYC and Hartford, Kreider – Beast mode: He will be neck and neck for the scoring title on the club and take out 6 goalies in the process!, Malone – Hip flexor notwithstanding Ryan makes his mark and scores some HUGE goals throughout the year, Miller – JT puts it all together! For a stretch of 10 games then regresses and then bounces back and repeats this cycle all year until it finally clicks in sometime in March 2015, Dom Moore – Anchors the 4th line all year and scores some very hard working goals in the process, Nash – (Waaaay out on a limb) Leads the Rangers in points scored by finally topping 80 points in a season (I am now ducking for cover), St Louis – struggles out of the gate as AV moves him from his natural position by January he is hitting on all cylinders and makes a HUGE difference down the stretch, Stempniak – Serviceable with flashes of brilliance, but his biggest headline all year will be when he misses the team plane at the end of a road trip (and no one notices until the next day), Stepan – Tough break but this will allow him to be a force down the stretch run that we need each year to sneak into the playoffs. Zuccarello – He and Kreider wil be 2 and 3 in points scored on this team and he gets his long term deal done! That’s it for the forwards…

DCIGolfer


Thu Oct 9 2014 6:02 am EST

Should have said... On the outside in the waiting room... Joke writing is not easy... Ask nash ... Are you going to the net or staying out of traffic.... Time to man up daddy nash ....get a hat trick for the kid .... Don't be nervous your wife is the one going thru the pain... Try it on ...

stevielegs


Thu Oct 9 2014 5:28 am EST

So nash is going to be a daddy any day now. Will he go inside the delivery room or stay in the waiting room?....mal-one II will earn his spot on the nyr.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:36 pm EST

Wouldnt it be somethin' if we crushed like last year right off the bat? Lol. Between ANA & Hertzl think it was 17-2 in two games. Gotta sense some doom if youre a Ranger fan, its only natural. StL is miserable from their coach on down. Not expectingva fun game but LGR.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:18 pm EST

Strickland saying Polak with 7 hits tonight for Toronto. Thinks he'll tear up the ACC this season

Messier11


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:13 pm EST

;-) This is a test! I'm hopeful, but man, the Blues are stacked! It seems like we're still in flux a bit. Here's hoping, though.

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:58 pm EST

Z: LOL...call me realistic!!

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:39 pm EST

RF4L... You're negative!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:36 pm EST

Newfie - Honestly, totally disrespectful. Like I said, if I was AV, tomorrow in my team meetings, I would show the entire thing.

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:35 pm EST

Call me negative, but I am expecting a loss to the Blues tomorrow night....

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:33 pm EST

I was watching the LA Banner raising too. In their video tribute they showed EVERY game winning goal,from BOTH teams, from their first three series ............then when it came to ours ,it only showed the Kings goals and not ONE of ours..........what's up with that ? and doesn't anyone find that insulting besides me ?????????

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:21 pm EST

Lucky Luke: "And in the 4th round we beat our cross-country rivals to prove that Los Angeles is the greatest hockey city in the world!" GAG!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:13 pm EST

Watching the Kings raise the banner - AV should force the team to watch it. It makes me want to puke that we're part of their montage. Now THAT'S motivation! LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:35 pm EST

If its me Malone is top 6, cause thats what he is when hes right. And it was only a few games but think he showed he can still pretty much go into beast mode. The key with him is having that in the lineup in April. And I do think theyre rationing him with the hip flexor. He made the team, has new life & looks happy & confident. He'll get in. Its a long war, we're gonna need all the soldiers we have.I think quite a few of these new faces could see platoon time. Stemp & Fast, I see no reason for both eventually. Its gonna be a process. As long as they get it right at the end. With the baffling exception of throwing Richards out there till the bitter fucking end, AV did sift out the dead weight last year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 7:21 pm EST

Great chatter here today boys - you can tell it's hockey season! Excited for this team! Looking forward to some great hockey. On Millet - I posted late last night the last time - but have to add that I'm a fan and think this kid is one hell of a player! I guess I just want the org to stop jerking him around and let him settle. I just want this kid to settle, the org to understand that he might make some gaffs - just like anyone - and stop micro analyzing the shit out of him. A Malone-Millet-Hags line would be dangerous if they just let it run for a while. I especially thought Malone and Millet were settling in and showing some chemistry. Let's go with it and see what happens! DROP THE PUCK!

Z


Wed Oct 8 2014 6:15 pm EST

Hospo -- I feel the same way....Malone (and what he brings to this team) is one of the keys to this season....unless he's hurting, he should be in there. But, I do know that hip flexors can be tricky things....easy to tweek, like a groin or a hamstring. So, maybe it's just the Rangers staff being cautious with him. Still, very disappointing not to have him start the season tomorrow. Not liking the lines at all.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 6:04 pm EST

RABID _ Personally, I think it's idiotic not to play MALONE if he's healthy.....And DUCLAIR with Miller is far from floating my boat..

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 5:24 pm EST

AV saying Brassard mentioned Hags as a potential linemate. Says the two get along good together. Dont like the sound of it, but who knows. Those are two crafty guys and one hell of a speedster. AVs trying to find pairings, thats why he has Kreider & Nash together. Didnt think they had all that much chemistry but you go with what you got. We got Malone. Id rather see him with Duke & JT than Stemp. But still so early it hasnt even started yet.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 5:18 pm EST

Yep, plenty of stay-at-home type defensemen who are big and mean and still end of being damn good defenseman in the NHL. Not everyone has to be a McDonough. Wrath seems to know how to position himself pretty well and he can make up for lack of quickness by angling and smart positional play. He made good strides from last year with his break-out passing, making the right decisions and being composed in the back end. He can be a Jeff Beukeboom type player without a doubt. He's a very big guy....just like big power forwards, it can take a big D-man a bit longer to get all the parts of his big body working together in harmony. So, he's not the most graceful skater in the world, so what....as long as he plays a good, responsible style and can beat the snot out of anyone in the league, he'll do just fine for us one day soon.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 4:32 pm EST

I agree with you on Mcilrath, personally, i would like to see the Rangers move John Moore and bring up Mcilrath at some point in the season, I believe he will adapt and eventually be a decent to good defenseman, I also believe that the Rangers should see Skej in 2015, and Moore might bring in a good draft choice possibly a No.1 for me Mcilrath can provide for this Rangers team what Lou Fontinanto provided the 50s Rangers who were on the small side but because of him they were competitive on the road, and I see Mcilrath providing the same, the similarities are very much the same the 50s Rangers were a very good skating and skilled team only the legendary 50s Canadiens were quicker, so I see that Mcilrath can provide that sameskill set to this team, it might take the first 10-15 games for it to happen, but they sure will need that presence at some point in the season.

Bathgate9


Wed Oct 8 2014 4:32 pm EST

We-ve all seen McIlrath skate. He may not be Paul Coffey, but theres nothing there to dq him from playing in the NHL. I was surprised by Leonard's remark. He has a better understanding of the organization than most, and is usually a pretty measured guy. I thought maybe someone may have whispered something to him, but the NYR would never want that out if it were true, and if Steve Eminger could skate in the league, its hard to belive MCI cant. Guess you just chalk it up to something shouldnt have been said.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 4:21 pm EST

When it comes to McILRATH, Leonard is giving you his opinion based on what he's seen in camp and perhaps what he remembers from last season. There's no denying the fact that Mac ain't exactly a good fit in AV's system...I'm sure he prefers the mobility/offense of a more slick-footed guy like KLEIN...easy to make that argument...much more tough to use it when you see first-hand the kind of intimidation he brings to the rink. He's a beast. He's always been a beast. And for how big he is, he moves OK. Not what AV would want, but well enough that when his timing is down, he'll be an asset...totally different argument when one brings in his draft number(10th overall) with the number of NHLers that were drafted behind him. I have no doubt the Rangers are going to use Mac one day soon. And I'll bet he's a fan-favorite pretty quick. Maybe never a star, but an asset.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 2:32 pm EST

Boy this Buchnevich keeps scoring sick goals in the KHL. And I'm sure if healthy he'll continue to do so. But since he has no chance of playing here this year I'm holding off on caring (and commenting) until next year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 1:07 pm EST

Dubi's a much bigger loss to the Bluejackets than Step for us.....

Ranger47


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:29 pm EST

Dubi out 6 weeks-torn abdominal muscle-surgery

puckyou


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:26 pm EST

Hospo.... I do have to give him credit for having balls though. Predicting the team winning cup is one thing. Telling Ranger fans that their former first round pick will never amount to anything? He'll never hear the end of that one if he's wrong.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:21 pm EST

RHET - While I don't think McI is ready yet, I thought he looked more comfotable and just about there to be able to play some 3rd pair NHL D...But you are right, maybe not in AV's system..which is totaqlly different than saying he won't play in the NHL, like that schmuck Leonard said,...

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:11 pm EST

Rabid.... After reading AV's comments, it makes a huge difference when read in context. He didn't say that they lost because of no depth at center, he said that LA had that as an advantage over us in the Finals. Which I totally agree with.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 12:00 pm EST

RF4L.... A lot of people are saying it these days and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't having the same thoughts myself. Wrath doesn't look like he'll be able to keep up playing in AV's transition game. That's JMO though.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:58 am EST

What the f&ck does Pat Leonard know about skating or McI's ability to improve it going forward? He's going to condemn this kid to being an AHL lifer when he's made it to the last cut the past seasons? If his skating is in need of improvement, the organization will have already identified it and taken steps to improve it. Brian Boyle is a perfect example. After he took intensive skating instruction in the off-season, his whole game changed and he was more effective. Skating technique is one of the most scientific aspects of hockey and there are many, many instructors who get excellent results. Once you've made it to the klevl McI has, there's no way he's going to get instructed and not have it result in a huge improvement. Once again, it is something that would be done if the Rangers felt that was the missing ingedient.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:55 am EST

And Pat Leonard's background when it comes to scouting/assessing professional hockey players is what exactly? He's 30 years and from what I can discern, didn't start following hockey until 2 years ago when he was hired by NY Daily News - prior to that it was more traditional US based sports he wrote about (baseball/football/basketball) and that was primarily high-schoolers. Hardly who can be termed an expert. It's dudes like him that blow me away and probably annoy to no end professional athletes (in this case hockey players). He should simply refrain from making definitive statements like that, especially when they are so negative. There's probably more hockey knowledge in my little finger than his head. Has he ever even played the game I wonder?

RF4L


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:48 am EST

td/Hospo -- I've always liked the kid and his skill set and you're right, I think we tend to overlook the fact that he's only 21 years old. But, for some reason, AV seems to have minimal patience with him. I think he'll be on a very short leash and if he messes up his defensive responsibilities or makes a costly pass in his own end, AV will take him off C. And if that happens, JT is in danger because AV has a lot of options at W.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:45 am EST

Pat Leonard said in his chat today about McIlrath... "Nice kid but can't skate, won't play in the NHL"

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:36 am EST

I should clarify that neither is leaving TSN, they're just adding duties at NBC. IMO, NBC can really use it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:35 am EST

If JT produces it puts much less emphasis on the occasional gaffe. If theyre only occasional. He's not stepping into an ordinary situation now either. This team is now expected to do damage. But hes had his chances, and now he has one more golden one. I hope he seizes it, we'd be in good shape. If not, I hope he likes teal lol

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:33 am EST

Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger are joining NBC Sports Group. TSN says it doesn't change anything at their network. We shall see.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:21 am EST

JFC- Those are two huge failings for a 2nd Center if you ask me and why I don't know if he is ready...Physically, without a doubt....Hopefully the Ranger coaches will just keep on drilling these things through the kid's head and he gets....Don't expect perfection---he is only 21---but he needs to show improvement..Hell, I can live with the out of position stuff, the lazy, hih-risk passes are another thing..

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:20 am EST

JFC - From what I can tell, AV is giving MILLER the center spot...just not on second line. Sounds like he'll pivot MALONE/DUCLAIR and HAGELIN. The situation with MSL and ZUCC see to be more a factor of HAYES not being ready to take the middle...My educated guess is that the uncertainty over Hayes coupled with his shoulder tweak was enough for AV to reach out to MSL before giving the OK to demote MUELLER...I think if there was a lot of concern about the situation at center, we'd see him and/or LINDBERG still in NY.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:17 am EST

Obviously, the Rangers have to find a way to make do at center until Stepan comes back....I guess the way they ar egoi9ng now is Brass-StLouis-Miller-Moore down the middle...I don't know, maybe it is the best option they have right now...I am not as keen on HAYES as others...The kid has talent (and WILL be a big time player) but he he also makes alot of mistakes..The kid is tall but right now it seems to me to be awkward ineffective size, certainly not suited for a 3rd or 4th liner....Maybe it can work for a few games instead of where St' Louis is now (until Step comes back, I don't know), but I don't think he is an answer for this season ..And like I said, the Rangers needs to be keeping an eye on Lindberger, Mueller and Lombardi down in Hartford..some will be needed..JMWO

Hospo


Wed Oct 8 2014 11:11 am EST

Miller is definitely ready for prime time right now IMO. However, what I believe is holdig him back from playing C is that he does not cover his defensive responsibilities well in his own end and he has a tendency to make high risk pases in his own end. For that reason, AV does not yet trust him to play C...and that's a shame because the kid showed me in preseason that he really can distribute the puck quite well in the O zone. If he can just tighten upo defensively and make better decisions in his own end, I think he would play C. In the desperate situation we are in for a center right now, it really tells you something that AV won'r use JT there....it tells you that AV does not trust him.

JFC31


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:42 am EST

Nick Kypreos ..... Injury woes continue in CBJ. Told Dubinsky is out indefinitely and not available to start NHL season. Possible long term situation

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:29 am EST

Same lines as yesterday.....Per Andrew Gross.... At NYR practice, Kevin Hayes is full contact after being slowed by a tweaked shoulder.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 10:01 am EST

Oh I agree Ola; they had an edge. We had the edge elsewhere. So close, for a 5-game series, don't know it could've been any closer. What I take from it is our young guys won't be wide-eyed next time around. And I think they're stung by the loss, and that hardens you even more. And hopefully Step & Brassard are healthy, that'll make a big difference. It's just, we have to play like 100 games now to get back there lol.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:47 am EST

Rhet& Rabid- You guys don't think LA was just a bit heavier than us? My take from the series was that they quite clearly won the battles infront of the nets. We couldn't make up for that elsewhere...

Ola


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:45 am EST

Yeah, AV just said LA had more depth in the middle and it showed. Interesting tat he said he heard from sources LA was hitting the wall and felt Rangers till had some has in the tank. Said if they just got an OT goal, LA wouldve never beat us at MSG gm 6, and gm 7 anything can happen with Hank in net. Maybe. Maybe not.He's a pretty good sport AV, said better team won. Absolutely raves about Duclair; said in all his years he hasn't seen many young guys do what he does at high speed. Again says he might not play every game. Says Miller & Hayes are getting opportunity now to help at center, obvious enough I guess.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:29 am EST

The only thing I want to see Miller do is relax with the puck. Its not easy for kids sometimes to realize how much time they have, but it can be improved. The rest of Miller's game is strong. He just really needs to go through the ups & downs of an NHL season, get knocked around a little, find some flow & settle in. I am still wondering what was going on with St Louis blasting him in practice. Could have been as simple as MSL seeing him with his head down and issuing a heads-up lol. The one thing we are seeing early on though is St Louis exerting himself as a leader. The way people talk about this guy, even AV, its like they're in awe of him.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:22 am EST

It is apparent to me that Miller and Hayes are looked to in order to bring speed and size to the center ice position. Over the course of the season, if that does not work, a trade to bring in a center with those qualities will be made.

gene_carr


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:13 am EST

Rhet, I need to dig up the exact quote, in fairness to AV. It was something like 'LA had more size & depth at center'. Whatever. I'm pretty sure AV might've cost us a Cup just by trotting Richards out there on the PP against all reason, but its water under the bridge. 1st year here, even I can't kill him just yet.but he'd better push the right buttons this time around. sather got him a point man, no excuse there. His lines are hideous right now, though I suspect he's juggling by the 3rd period tomorrow night.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 8 2014 9:04 am EST

RF4L - Totally disagree...I think the style the Rangers play really takes a lot of the pressure off the center to guide the offense...this is a team that hasn't ever been strong up the middle and has evolved as a result...you got guys like Zucc and MSL who are all over the ice anyway...and with the speed of wings like Kreider and Hagelin...and now Duclair, a lot of the offense they generate is through the speed of their rush...That means outlet passes...that means getting the defense to push the puck...will the Rangers miss STEPAN? Hell yeah, they will...but is it going to be a calamity? Nope. I don't believe the Rangers will have a pop-gun offense just because one guy is injured.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:43 am EST

hipcheck/Z - Thing to realize about MILLER is that he's 21...kid is still young...a product of youthful mistakes and him getting jerked around the organization...I think the lion's share of Ranger fans forget this when they start bashing him for being 'stupid' or making dumb plays or whatever the knock-du-jour is...Way I see it is Miller played three very good pre-season games at his natural position, which is center...the only game where he didn't look good was the last one against the Devils, during which he was shifted back to wing and was among a group of 19 players that didn't look sharp...The Rangers also haven't made his development any easier...in Hartford, they've played him almost exclusively as a center...the position where he's always looked best...yet in New York, he gets moved over to the wing, where two of his better attributes...ability to take faceoffs and ability to dish the puck...are limited...so is it a surprise he didn't look great getting shift over to the wing during the second half of a back-to-back game? No. Not at all...then again, NO ONE looked good...and yet I read it's Miller who "regressed" when I read through the wall..Total bs, IMO...kid is ready for the bigtime...what the Rangers SHOULD do is scrap this idea of putting MSL as a center and have Miller pivot him and Rick NASH...Kid has shown time and time again he can battle along the boards...I saw him go to battle the offensive zone boards and corners on a couple of occasions this fall with two opponents and still emerge with the puck...If you have two lethal scorers waiting for the puck, that's how you score goals...but whatever...as long as the Rangers keep Mills in the middle, given him regular minutes and a pair of linemates who can pot the puck, I'm positive he'll start wining fans here.

tdchi


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:35 am EST

Rabid.....I feel as though I watched a completely different Finals from AV. I guess he's absolved himself from any share of the blame even though he's failed to get the job done with 2 different organizations.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:30 am EST

Mats Zuccarello says that it has been many years since he played center, and he prefers to be a winger, but if asked he would slide into the middle. (Nettavisen) Asked about Marty St. Louis moving from wing to center to start the season, Zuccarello said that he thinks Marty will “master it quite well.” (Nettavisen)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 8 2014 8:13 am EST

AV told Francessa yesterday center depth was why we lost to LA.

Rabid Ranger


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