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Sat Aug 1 2015 10:27 pm EST

Ranger47, :) gee one of my favorites, lol....OKAY on a more serious note. The Playoff Beards. Started by the Islanders in the 1980s. Well guess what? In 1994 the Canucks wore the beards (most of them) but the New York Rangers did not. We gotta shave during the playoffs. That's the ticket...yeah, shave.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 9:21 pm EST

...so long as the T-shirts have a much less open-to -nterpretation motto, since they certainly did Change The Ending this year...something harder for the Hockey Gods to weasel out of, like Win Your Last Playoff Game :)

LeoS


Sat Aug 1 2015 3:42 pm EST

WIOSA: This years locker room song will be Unchained Melody... :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 1 2015 3:39 pm EST

E: You bring up a good point - almost all of us thought the loss of Callahan, Boyle and Stralman (to name a who left) would make last year's team struggle - yet we did just fine with the replacements (albeit we would ALL have liked to see a little more toughness). We need to see what happens out of the first 20 games or so with the new roster this year before being overly critical.

Ranger47


Sat Aug 1 2015 3:37 pm EST

Ola Taylor Pyatt,,,,Ranger 47, LOL...took me a couple of minutes

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 3:35 pm EST

Ranger47- Still persist that LaLa Vasquez should marry ME, best name combo ever. ;)

Ola


Sat Aug 1 2015 3:33 pm EST

With the pass in of "The Rowdy One" Roddy Piper. Is it safe to compare him with SEAN AVERY. Agitating and the most entertaining when he was obnoxious and stirring shit up.

ref24


Sat Aug 1 2015 2:40 pm EST

Hospo: I was okay with the Diaz signing. Easy guy to just get rid of him if you don't need him. Just some depth. I didn't understand the Stalberg signing. I think his Chicago production was an aberration. Just another super softee who was hohum career wise. EE I just don't know. On its surface it's a who cares because they needed cap relief. So, if he is a guy Groton liked who am I to doubt him without seeing him on the ice. I thought last season was a disaster after their bottom-6 was decimated and it turned out not to be true at all. So, I'm biting my tongue but EE is in the unenviable position of being traded to and replacing a New York Rangers staple player who was very popular with the base. Not a great place to be. They aren't gonna give him a long leash before the boo-birds come a calling...

E


Sat Aug 1 2015 2:31 pm EST

Emma Mae: I'm picking up someone from the other side. He says his name is OLA! :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 1 2015 2:20 pm EST

Who got married?

Ola


Sat Aug 1 2015 2:09 pm EST

WIOSA: I'm having a Ghost flashback. Shall I leave you and Hospo alone? :)

Ranger47


Sat Aug 1 2015 1:38 pm EST

Hospo...ditto

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 12:41 pm EST

Rangers Make Seven Selections at 2015 NHL Entry Draft..... http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=772735 ....... (Gropp with the 41st acquired from Anaslime)

mf


Sat Aug 1 2015 12:37 pm EST

the long anticipated Cam Talbot trade by sending him and the 209th pick to the Edmonton Oilers for the 57th, 79th and 184th picks in the draft...........http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25226786/rangers-trade-carl-hagelin-ducks-cam-talbot-to-oilers

mf


Sat Aug 1 2015 12:36 pm EST

the Rangers sent restricted free agent forward Carl Hagelin and two draft picks (No. 59 and 179) to the Anaheim Ducks for Emerson Etem and the No. 41 pick in the draft.

mf


Sat Aug 1 2015 12:23 pm EST

WIOSA - Just so it's not forgotten and so I can be gently reminded in the future..:)...Hated the Hags-Etem trade, the STalberrg signing and the Diaz signing..

Hospo


Sat Aug 1 2015 12:19 pm EST

Kreider - Talbot - MZA - Hank - Etem - Duclair - Stephan - Miller - Nash - Yandle

Ranger47


Sat Aug 1 2015 11:59 am EST

Vic: My answers: :...........1) KREIDER (goals)..........2) TALBOT (wins) 3) MZA (points)..........4) HANK (starts)..........5) ETEM (games)..........6) ETEM (points)..........7) STEPAN (faceoff percentage) 8) MILLER (points)..........9) HANK (wins)..........10) YANDLE (even strength goals)

RF4L


Sat Aug 1 2015 11:48 am EST

http://bigthink.com/think-tank/why-narcissists-get-elected-president-with-jeffrey-kluger

stevielegs


Sat Aug 1 2015 11:03 am EST

stevielegs: AV like Obuma making like it was 100% somebody else problem. Off the wall, yes?

Jerry_Garcia


Sat Aug 1 2015 9:26 am EST

Rhett, thanks....As for the Hags trade complaint, there are so many I stopped reading them all. It would be amusing to see, should Etem turn out to be the player he was touted to be, how many fans claim they were HAPPY about the trade all along.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 9:18 am EST

moof he only married 1..? ..that's utterly unselfish... could have to go for bigofme or polligmany......guess on how many little pies-z to be ?......not cow pies.....get pastyoureyesd.....

stevielegs


Sat Aug 1 2015 9:12 am EST

Vic don't try to make it for your electric bill.....1 kid k, 2 stepan, 3 mza, 4 hank, 5 etem, 6 etem, 7 stepan, 8 fast, 9 nash, 10 yandle....not even 1 week......nor 1 day......fry on.....

stevielegs


Sat Aug 1 2015 9:08 am EST

All other women are already jealous, for he is the most interesting man in the world.... Pi-Z........

mf


Sat Aug 1 2015 7:21 am EST

Always a classy player, sniff, sniff... I miss him already. Nothing but the best for him (of course not against us )chttp://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=53&id=832768&lang=en

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 7:05 am EST

I would like to see bets on... If Hags get's off to a quick start on the season, how long it takes NYR fans to bitch about the trade?.... If Etem get's off to a slow start, how long does it take NYR fans to become impatient and bitch about the trade?.... How long will it take NYR fans to become impatient with any of the rookies?.... how long before NYR fans are booing and of the players that don't pick up AV's system right away? .....Wiosa.... He was talking about Taylor Pyatt's wedding.

Rhet0ric


Sat Aug 1 2015 6:36 am EST

JFC: Your picks are in. I'll be away from the Wall for most of the day. Anyone who has picks just go ahead and post them. I'll catch up tonight.

Vic


Sat Aug 1 2015 6:24 am EST

Vic, btw no problem on the confusion with Wild, and the 17th works for me.......Bob who got married?

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 6:19 am EST

Stevie, it will be interesting to see who Av weaves into the line up, I would imagine that Boyles time would gradually lessen, but then again..remember MSL? Not until the end of the playoffs did his time get reduced. As I remember it.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 6:10 am EST

Bottom line to me is Big Mac is put on roster and fills in for Boyle Klien and even girardi to keep these guys fresh and rested , especially Boyle during the regular season aka pre playoff season. Diaz and summers can play in Hartford. Let av sometimes use 7 d and rest glass' ass. Instead of finally using 7 d in a game 7 of the ecf , and basically handing the game to the tampons. Capt parmenter should have sat out that game. And veendontknow with ulf-fa should have been putting hunwick and / or summers in for girardi and staal too. Then again he refused to pull hank and put talbot in during either one of those blowouts hank blew. Someday he will learn what it takes to win it all.... Good and lucky decisions ....instead making like it was a 100% on the players...

stevielegs


Sat Aug 1 2015 5:54 am EST

York, I could not say Skjei was better in the playoffs than Dylan, since I never watched one minute of the minor league playoffs, I have told everyone, including you, I don't watch the minors. My entire post was referencing the link I posted - an article that was posted. I will post links I see on the Rangers that I find interesting or others will. It is the author of that article that said Dylan was penciled in at 8, not me. Klein is a known commodity, I wouldn't want to deal him for any minor leaguer without first knowing the younger player was ready. This article is about Dylan, and it was not hyper critical either.

WIOSA


Sat Aug 1 2015 4:36 am EST

WIOSA you talked about not trading Klein and wrath should be traded instead. All you wrath posts are negative and have him being moved. So you have seen him play once but you have made a half a dozen posts about him even saying skeij was better and played better in the pack playoffs which was wrong skeij was scratched during the playoffs wrath wasn't skeij was the seventh dman and rotated in and was sat for almost a whole period wrath was the number 1dman. Now wrath is the 8th dman I'm guessing av told you that or you have a crystal ball because camp hasn't started.

York18


Fri Jul 31 2015 11:05 pm EST

Pysie got married today at the Montage here in the OC. Ryan McDonagh and BizNasty were 2 of the players there. I should get more info later. I know a kid who is a server at that place.

Bob


Fri Jul 31 2015 11:00 pm EST

VIC -- Kreider-Talbot-MZA-Hank-Etem-Etem-Hayes-Miller-Nash-Yandle

JFC31


Fri Jul 31 2015 10:49 pm EST

MF and STRANGER: Your picks are recorded. I'm thinking about putting up a website for this that automatically updates the stats and outcomes so that everyone can see where it stands at any time. Since stepping outside in Houston these days is like taking a stroll on the surface of the sun (a moist, soggy, 10 Million degree sun), I should have some time to figure all of that out. I just love getting that weekly email from our electricity provider that tells me how much we are going to owe for the past week. Last week was $248. The three weeks before were $230, $203, and $196. And we haven't even hit August yet.......

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 9:37 pm EST

In my family it is not about who is right but who is MORE RIGHT! OK my picks...1) Kreider 2)Tabot 3)Hayes 4)Hank 5)Etem 6)Etem 7)Hayes 8)Miller 9)Hank 10)Yandle....so there

NYStranger


Fri Jul 31 2015 9:34 pm EST

Moof stop playing Texas horn hold it ....steer wrestle mania....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:17 pm EST

Slegs: I knew you were in on this. I just knew it! It's the Ol Texas - Brooklyn connection! damn

mf


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:16 pm EST

This little bet / wager doesn't look so innocent to me! I'm betting it's Mrs Plum, in the bedroom, with the two headed Hydra on a Wednesday night... So there! ...... 1) Kreider 2) Talbot 3) MZA 4) Hank 5) Eat-me 6) DuClaw 7) Stepan 8) Miller 9) Hank 10) Yankle

mf


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:09 pm EST

Hospo you're wrong ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:09 pm EST

HOSPO: Your picks are recorded. BTW, I agree with you about how nasty things can get here sometimes but that is usually when people are arguing opinions. There are no opinions in this. It is all stat comparison and it is done from a "what do you think is going to happen" perspective and not a "who is better perspective". And, just to make sure I did try to stay away from any of the pet peeve arguments here. I tried to make them thought provoking enough and for most of them they aren't a straight points to points comparison except where there was a compelling and non controversial comparison. All in good fun.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 6:42 pm EST

One of the things that irks me with offensive defenseman is how easily they get ripped apart for not being better in their own zone. They're awesome when they break up the ice and set up a goal and a goat when it doesn't work. Yandle is going to take chances and we want him to. That's what it takes to get offense out of your defense sometimes. Secondly, I've gone back then the games against TB this summer and I'm not sure what people were seeing but I'm not sure too many people would think he leaked like a sib or anything else. He was pretty damn solid, let the play come to him and try to make a play. It's a tough crowd. It kinda reminds me when people piss and moan that a sniper doesn't back check enough to their liking. When they score? Gordie Howe. When the don't? Bust... You're gonna have to live with some chances and some plays that flat out didn't work out and resulted in a breakout with numbers going the other way. That's just the nature of the beast. Yandle had a couple of good brain farts in the playoffs. Know who had more? JT. He just flat out goes blue screen some times. It's just so easy to rip on the bad. That stated, I'll stand by my assessment on Yandle. I think he is going to do some pretty good things this coming season. And that'll dictate his UFA contract negotiations, whether he remains a New York Rangers etc... I also think that the New York Rangers did overpay for him but I also think that the New York Rangers are all in. They are very close. I think Yandle gets them closer. At the end of this season? Could be retool time. Hopefully, not. I'm still very bullish on the New York Rangers. I think they could use more bite. I'd love for Rath to take the next step. Certainly has the kind of moxy that unlocks Miller and Chris Krieders inner douchiness and gives them a hand in the shoulder when they try to get in faces. I've always liked how Corey Perry has a license to be a total dick out there. Why? Because Getzlaf loves to mix it up as well. Team toughness. But I'm holding judgement on Mcailrath until I see how his game comes together. If he is more patient, let's the game come to him better? Maybe... I'd like to hope. Not optimist however.

E


Fri Jul 31 2015 6:11 pm EST

York18, I know Im going to regret this, but...WTF are you talking about? A negative post about Mcillrath? I have seen him play one time..and quite frankly, wasn't paying attention to his play. I do think he had a fight, a poorly timed one, but we lived through it. My post said I initially wanted an early waive in the hopes he would clear it and we would keep him. Then I realized the guy has been waiting 5 years to play, and we have him penciled in as the 8th Dman. In all fairness to him - trade the guy. THAT was the gist of my post. Where is that negative?

WIOSA


Fri Jul 31 2015 5:47 pm EST

VIC - It's my experience that when people on here are so focused about being right and proving others wrong it drains all the fun from this place..but those questions/bets look innocent enough...1)Kid K; 2) Talbot; 3) Hayes (MZA hurt); 4)Hank; 5)Glass; 6) Tie; 7) Step; 8) Miller (by far); 9 Hank; 10) Yandle.

Hospo


Fri Jul 31 2015 5:21 pm EST

WIOSA gee what a shock another negative post about wrath and ne should be moved? Honestly how many times have you seen him play? You keep calling him a bust. With your thinking they better trade every prospect and pick because we may be disappointed. I hope you answer the question on seeing him play because you make styements about him like you do.

York18


Fri Jul 31 2015 5:14 pm EST

Oh, and as for the date when all bets are closed how about Wednesday, September 17th. That is the day before the team physicals. You have to be on record with your picks by Noon Eastern Time of September 17th. You can request any change to a pick you have made up until that time as well. And this is open to everyone, regular posters and lurkers alike. Come on all of you lurkers.......post your picks. That includes you LARRY.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 5:09 pm EST

LEO and FRED: Your picks have been recorded. LEO: Since a few of the bets do involve players who are already with other teams I think trades are a part of it. The other part of this is injuries. So, in your answers you have to factor those things in. For example, is MZA ready to go at the start of the season? Does NASH get his bell rung and miss 40 games? Will this team's biggest nemesis (McDONAGH's stick) take out STEPAN's achilles? Will KREIDER blow out a groin in another collision with PRICE? It all counts. I like doing these kind of things because you never know what can happen. Take your first pick for example where you said KREIDER easily. Maybe......maybe not. HAGS has steadily increased in his shot totals every year and had more shots then KREIDER last year despite not having the PP minutes that KREIDER got. HAGS also had a down year in shooting percentage that was 2.5% lower then the year before. If he had the same shooting percentage that he had the year before he would have ended up with the same number of goals as KREIDER. Now factor in how he may be used in Anaheim. It is conceivable that they use him with GETZLAF and PERRY at times to give that line some speed that they lack. Or, he could be with KESSLER on what would be a difficult line to play against. It will be interesting to see if his numbers change outside of NY, and if that change is for the better or worse.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 4:37 pm EST

Vic......1. Kreider 2. Stepan 3. Hayes 4. Hank 5. Glass 6. Duclair 7. Stepan 8. Fast 9. Nash 10. Klein.

MelvilleFred


Fri Jul 31 2015 4:16 pm EST

Vic - Great topics to ponder! I'm in! Here are my predictions: 1. Kreider (easily, imo) 2. Stepan 3. MZA 4. Hank 5. Glass 6. Duclair 7. Stepan 8. Miller 9. Hank 10. Yandle. What do you think of the idea of closing the bet time frame if any of the involved players get traded and/or - which you likely meant - not counting points in minors (Etem/Duke)?

LeoS


Fri Jul 31 2015 4:04 pm EST

Sorry WIOSA, I was rushing to get out the door before. Your picks have been recorded, and with your correct name no less.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 3:41 pm EST

Vic okay, but I have my doubts that you will remember who is who, since you responded to my pick to Wild. Anyroad, here goes...1. Kreider 2.Talbot 3. Zucc, 4 Brassard, 5. Etem, 6. Etem, 7. Stepan, 8 Fast 9. Nash, 10. Yandle

WIOSA


Fri Jul 31 2015 3:36 pm EST

Ok. Since I proposed it I will do it first. 1) HAGS, 2) TALBOT, 3) HAYES, 4) HANK, 5) ETEM, 6) DUCLAIR, 7) HAYES, 8) MILLER, 9) HANK, 10) KLEIN.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 2:21 pm EST

Wild -- if the Rangers themselves are approaching the playoffs with a real shot to win the Cup, why would they want to strengthen a possible competitor with a trade that might come back to haunt them? Your scenario of how seemingly simple it would be to trade Yandle at the deadline has more depth to it than you're recognizing.

JFC31


Fri Jul 31 2015 1:53 pm EST

WILD: Sorry, I think you missed the point on the bets. PIck a winner for each bet.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 1:52 pm EST

Vic that is Fast will exceed JT

WIOSA


Fri Jul 31 2015 1:50 pm EST

Vic Ill take number 8.... I would've taken number 10 had it been Yandle vs Klein +/-.......

WIOSA


Fri Jul 31 2015 1:49 pm EST

I've had my finger on the "send" button for 2 days... I just can't pull the trigger and order this MCILRATH jersey. I know he's a goner' if I get it. This sucks!! Only our beloved Rangers could torture us like this. So f#cking obvious that we need this kid on the team and in the lineup. Why does following this team turn me into a OCD superstitious maniac'?!?!?!

hipcheck


Fri Jul 31 2015 1:37 pm EST

Wild: Seeing as you've apparently never seen anything more 'crazy and silly' as Vic's thoughtful post maybe you should read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11767119/Cecil-the-lions-killer-revealed-as-American-dentist.html Without a doubt it's crazier and sillier than that.

RF4L


Fri Jul 31 2015 1:24 pm EST

LOLOLOLOLOL....

RF4L


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:56 pm EST

Vic: Ok....if you think that using Milbury is a way to defend your position..well Im sorry...just quit while your ahead. No the previous 3 months don't just disappear...and it wasn't just a couple good games, he played just about all the games really well. And for a month or so before that he was playing injured and was still better than when he first got to the team, and at the end of the regular season his miscues in the Dzone were getting less and he was playing more "quiet" hockey defensively. If you couldn't see that...well you didn't want to. As for the cap management argument. Its total and utter BS that anti Sather people toss around to make an argument...but if thats true more than half the NHL has bad ca management...because even teams with an internal cap have to move players and make trades based on being up to their limits. There is nothing bad whatsoever in waiting to get a deal done. Sure it would be great to get it done now...but to say get it done or trade him? You CREAT an early deadline and are thus forcing the deal to be made now and it will end up not being a good deal, because other GMS will think "they know they can't afford to keep him" and they will not give up as much as they should. At the deadline GMs go nuts and give WAY WAY too much for players because of need. A team has a top 4 D go down and they are in the playoff hunt or a top ranked team with the cup in sight, and they will pay out the nose, they will give twice what they would offer now. THAT would be bad management, to trade him when demand is low.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:50 pm EST

WILDCARD: First, on YANDLE's play, I am simply not going to argue with you. I know what I saw. The guy was a liability. We all talked about it here and even blow-hards like MILBURY picked up the argument. YANDLE played a few good games in the Tampa series and all of the sudden the previous 3 months didn't happen? Sorry, it will take a lot more then that to change my opinion. Second, the management approach that you are describing is EXACTLY how the Rangers got themselves into the Cap and depth mess that they are in. It is called BAD MANAGEMENT. You don't put yourself in a position where you have to risk losing a costly asset or vastly overspend to keep it because you are up against a deadline clock. That is how you get put in a position to have to overpay players and overpay in trades. The Rangers have been guilty of both far too often, especially in the last 5 years.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:40 pm EST

VIC: Frankly...I have never heard of anything more crazy and silly. You can easily go into the season with him, and trade him if need be. Also if he is that important to the team they will not trade him and risk losing him, but likely they will get him signed, and they will likely be talking with his agent about an extension already, but nothing set in stone. Both the team and the agent will want to see how much the cap goes up. If it goes up more than expected there will be more money to sign him with, if not there will be less. The deadline is the moment he goes to sign with a new team, up until that point there is no way it could be bad management. And he isn't terrible defensively....he had adjustment problems to the new system for sure, but he got much better as time went along. And with the Coyotes he was not that bad either, he was hung out to dry a LOT by the rest of the team, but rare was he out of position, it was more like he had to choose if he needed to leave his position to make up for someone isles screw up, any Dman looks bad when that is going on.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:38 pm EST

Since things are pretty dead around here lately I thought I would spice things up with some food for thought. How about a few bets? I don't mean bets with actual payouts. Life is much more fun and interesting when you stand behind an opinion or take a stand. I would like to propose 10 little bets where you can pick a side. These can be changed if someone has a better one but I would like to take 10 little bets and then record what each person says. We can look at it at the end of the season to see who got the most right and wrong. And the bets I propose are:...........1) HAGS (goals) vs KREIDER (goals)..........2) TALBOT (wins) vs STEPAN (goals)..........3) MZA (points) vs HAYES (points)..........4) BRASSARD (points) vs HANK (starts)..........5) GLASS (games) vs ETEM (games)..........6) ETEM (points) vs. DUCLAIR (points)..........7) STEPAN (faceoff percentage) vs HAYES (faceoff percentage)..........8) FAST (points) vs MILLER (points)..........9) HANK (wins) vs NASH (goals)..........10) YANDLE (even strength goals) vs KLEIN (even strength goals).

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:27 pm EST

Should have read......"You can't move forward in the season....................."

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:26 pm EST

E: I disagree on YANDLE on a few fronts. First, he was awful defensivley........God awful to be exact. Maybe his learning curve with the system was partly to blame but he has never been a good defensive player. Second, YANDLE must be resigned or traded before the season starts. There is no way any GM worth a damn will allow him to play out his current deal and let him walk at the end of the season. The Rangers spent a lot to get him. They spent more then they could afford in terms of draft picks and players to let him walk 15 months later. It would also be foolish to walk into the season with YANDLE's status up the air. You can move forward in the season with a guy slotted as your primary PP QB and then deal him at the deadline because you can't resign him. That would be catastrophic to the team. The Rangers either need to negotiate an extension or trade him before the season starts. Any other approach would be bad management IMHO.

Vic


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:01 pm EST

What's with the nobs posting on that article about trading away both Glass and McI? Yeah, let's make this team more pansified than it already is! LOL....

RF4L


Fri Jul 31 2015 11:22 am EST

Sorry, It's Schneidw I agree with on Girardi.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 31 2015 11:14 am EST

I've been talking about next years cap for the last two years. I will say it again, we have plenty of cap space to re-sign Hayes, Kreider, Yandle and Miller. Boyle of course will not re-signed and Klein is most likely traded. Best case scenario, MCI and Skjei make the team to replace both defensemen. Hayes will most likely get a bridge deal in the neighborhood of Kreider's current deal or Galchenyuk's recent deal. JT. Miler? We still don't know what he's going to be yet, it's tough to say where he'll end up salary-wise, but it's likely going to be less than Kreider's current deal. Where we may have issues is if Kreider or Hayes or both has a breakout season(s). IMO, It would behoove us to sign one or both to extension's this summer and not wait for that to happen. Of course that would also include Yandle because we can't afford to let him get away for nothing ....Evets.... I agree with you on Girardi, but it would be even better if he were a LHD to unclog the log jam there.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 31 2015 10:55 am EST

WIOSA: Not mentioned in the article is the fact that Boyle will probably not be resigned after this year leaving another open spot on the right side - making the retention of Klein seem even more important with Wrath being a question mark. I think you have to give him every chance to prove he's ready out of training camp and then consider trading him or Klein if necessary. No way I see him passing waivers and I'd hate to lose him for nothing. My gut tells me he's ready....

Ranger47


Fri Jul 31 2015 10:36 am EST

Hmmm, my first thought is to try to clear him through early waivers...then I read further and realize this player has spent 5 years waiting for the opportunity to join the Team, how happy is he going to be waiting even longer? How frustrated he has to be taking the 8th D spot to begin with? I think we need to deal him. I would hate to lose Klien and have this guy not work out.... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/31/9073045/what-should-the-rangers-do-with-dylan-mcilrath

WIOSA


Fri Jul 31 2015 10:28 am EST

shonuff: Once a team keeps part of a salary they retain that responsibility regardless of what happens wit the player. If that player is bought out they have the same % of the buyout as they had of the contract. SO if they pick up 50% of the deal, and the new team buys the guy out, the original team is on the hook for 50% of the buyout for however long that is.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 31 2015 10:16 am EST

Evets -- we a,ready have a young, serviceable D-man...Dylan "Wrath" McIlraith. No need to trade Yandle right now, IMO. We need to get our power play scoring at a much higher percentage if we want to have another shot at the Cup. If Yandle can come in this year, be comfortable with AV's system and help our PP become top 10-15 in the NHL, he ain't going anywhere, even if it means we lose him as a UFA. The Cup is the highest consideration....if Yandle has the PP humming, no,way were move that from the lineup at the trade deadline. Now, if Yandle doesn't make any appreciable difference, then yeah, he'll be traded at the deadline, if not sooner. That also gives time to see how Wrath is shaping up in his NHL development....if he shows that he is ready for a regular 5-6 spot, that opens up a whole new area of trade possibilities at the deadline.

JFC31


Fri Jul 31 2015 9:13 am EST

EVETS: Depending on where the New York Rangers are and how Yandle is playing will dictate what happens. If Yandle plays to expectations? And remind you that most New York Rangers fans do not know how good this kid is offensively they may just ride him directly into free agency and let him go. Best case? Is probably they try to negotiate a new contract with him during the season. If in the outside chance he busts and his season goes into a tailspin, then most likely you'll try to move him. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if the New York Rangers considered him as part of their grand scheme going forward. What surprised me most when he arrived is how defensively sound he played. He rarely was caught out of position. I think it was a big change in discipline from the free wheeling PHX team. But he was the best New York Rangers player not named Lundqvist in the ECF. He was beginning to see opportunities to jump up into the play, he was bringing the puck out of the zone on his stick, and he was seemingly born to play AV's trap busting style with spread passes that are the teams trademark. I think a lot of New York Rangers fans might be very surprised at how good Yandle is offensively.

E


Fri Jul 31 2015 9:09 am EST

evets1980: In regards to Yandle , I could be wrong and I am sure I am but... I thought with any contract, when a team pays half the salary that is only in effect until the player gets traded. Then they are off the hook ????

shonuff


Fri Jul 31 2015 9:03 am EST

After Stepan signed his contract, it has become more and more clear that the Rangers will need to move Yandle this summer to maximize his return. With Arizona picking up half his salary, he should be attractive to other teams and should therefore be easy to move. With Mike Green signing for $6 million per season this summer, you'd have to think that Yandle will command at least that and probably closer to $7 million as a FA. Moving Yandle and having Boyle come off the books next summer will allow the Rangers the financial flexibility to ensure that Kreider, Hayes, Miller, and Etem are all resigned. I'm certain the Rangers should be able to get a young or, at least serviceable d-man in return for Yandle to replace him in the lineup, perhaps until Skjei proves ready. Perhaps Dallas would be a good landing spot for Yandle. Maybe we could bring in Jaimie Oleksiak in a deal with Dallas. He's seemingly been passed on their depth chart by John Klingberg and Jyrki Jokipakka and could potentially use a change of scenery. Just musing in the absence of real hockey news.

evets1980


Fri Jul 31 2015 8:52 am EST

schneid: I picked Brassard because he makes $5,000,000 and his contract isn't burdened with NTC/NMCs...

RF4L


Fri Jul 31 2015 8:06 am EST

I watched part of Summer Ice two nights ago, NYR/ PITT. It was an early season game from last year, Stemp, JMoore, in the lineup.. What I came away with was concern about losing Hagelins forechecking ability and then wondering who and how the void will be filled.. Additionally, MSL had set up JTMiller with a real nice pass for the redirect on a rush... We're not getting that hockey IQ back, too bad father time kicked in so soon in his NY career.. Capwise, I may have been a blessing.. Who knows?

mf


Fri Jul 31 2015 8:04 am EST

NYRs: the real solution to the NYR cap issue will be hugely unpopular and very difficult to bring about because of the NMC in his contract...but as much as I like Girardi and would like to see him be a lifelong NYR, his play no longer compatible with his contract.... Girardi is such a great NYR who plays hard and ignores pain, but TORTS put so many miles on him that he has slowed down the past year and half and makes too much $$ IMHO...

schneidw


Fri Jul 31 2015 8:01 am EST

RF4L- While I agree w you that NYRs will have CAP troubles next year and probably into eternity... there is absolutely no way the NYR would ever trade D Brassard... you have watched the playoffs the past 2 years, right? There will be ways to make the cap work.. Kevin Klein will definitely be traded and has some value and I think Yandle be finding a new home which is to me the biggest challenge for Gorton.. Do NYRs get something of value this year or let him leave via UFA? I like Yandle and was bummed he got hurt last year... the fact he plays on the 3rd defense pairing shows how amazingly deep the NYRs are on defense... but I think Yandle will command much more $$$ than the NYRs can pay...

schneidw


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:32 am EST

stevie: Re cap crunch next summer - yep, as some of us have been saying for a while. Way too early to fret about it, but I suspect relief will come via someone being moved. Early thoughts for me involve Brassard, assuming Hayes picks up this year where he left off (meaning he steps into a top 6 role at center next year).

RF4L


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:09 am EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/a-summer-of-reason-jeff-gortons-first-test-as-new-york-rangers-gm/

stevielegs


Fri Jul 31 2015 7:08 am EST

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/hockey/rangers-cap-woes-will-return-next-summer-1.1381758

stevielegs


Fri Jul 31 2015 6:34 am EST

When analyzing our prospect pool it appears the template to keep in mind is Detroit. The NHL roster is essentially just coming into its prime. Granted there are not a lot of open slots, but when the late round picks often selected on potential are afforded plenty of time to develop there is no urgency to rush them into the league. This often produces results that defies the predictions. The Rangers are one of the top teams in the league and do not have the benefit of luck and misfortune to bring in a Towes, Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, etc. They have developed a culture of team play based on speed and skill. I have more confidence in this scouting team than I have ever held since following the team. We are going to see some of these prospects on the big club it may just take longer than our expectations desire.. My guess, the first "surprise" at our next camp will big big Mac, a little late, but ready.

gene_carr


Fri Jul 31 2015 6:00 am EST

TD that is the second time I have heard the McD/skeij comparison maybe I'm missing something I just didn't see it. Skeij came in amd struggled to look good in Hartford and had one good game he was rotated in and scratched. I guess people forget mcD came in and was playing first pair and dominating I don't get it at all. Wrath at 11? Interesting the hate this kid gets no matter what he does or how well he plays it's almost as if people want him to fail because of his draft class and his longer development I just don't get it. Graves will be interesting to watch he is one of those guys that can be really good or nothing but another player who showed potential. The kid has a canon of a shot though.

York18


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:08 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/slava-voynov-has-begun-serving-sentence-at-100-per-night-detention-center/

mf


Fri Jul 31 2015 12:02 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/flyers-lock-up-voracek-long-term-with-eight-year-66-million-deal/

mf


Thu Jul 30 2015 8:58 pm EST

An article about Etem over at Blueshirt Banter has this gem: "As most of us already know Kevin Hayes has already earned the reputation of being one of the best set-up men in the league." Really! C'mon now!!

JFC31


Thu Jul 30 2015 6:34 pm EST

RF4L - Just a point of information on Herman...The dude makes a real bizarre leap in calling SKJEI our top prospect...and then comparing him to --of all players --McDONAGH...not to digress, but that's patently ridiculous. McD was MILES ahead of where Skjei has been at just about all levels...then he lists GRAVES as one of our top 10...and McILRATH at 11...then he says we should be worried about our stock of defensive prospects?! That to me just makes no sense...Like I said, I think the guy's analysis/assessment of the prospects is pretty spot on for the most part...and I appreciate the fact that he admits when he's never seen a guy play...a lot of fan writers will try to gloss over that reality...but something just doesn't add up with his concerns...I mean, I could ALMOST see being worried if three of the top six weren't signed for the next half-decade...but really, the Rangers have a young, experienced team...there's almost no pressure at this point for them or their prospects to jump into full-time positions...and that's not a luxury they had until the past two or three seasons...there was a time when the minute a decent prospect hit Hartford, he was in the Rangers' lineup..now they have to fight for a bottom-line or bench position.

tdchi


Thu Jul 30 2015 3:06 pm EST

I think any prospect pool only can be looked at in relation to how the pro team looks. For Pittsburgh, out blueline prospect depth probably would be a disaster. But we don't need 4 guys to make the team in the coming 4 years, we might only have room for 1 or 2 during that time frame. If that. I don't worry one sec about our prospect depth there. I worry about having an offensive punch on th blueline when Boyle retires and how we solve 3x LD in McD, Staal and Yandle. But we will probably produce at least 3 Ds from the assets we have today. That's more than we can fit in.

Ola


Thu Jul 30 2015 1:53 pm EST

that should read "it also hurts the prospect...."

Wildcard


Thu Jul 30 2015 12:00 pm EST

RF4L: It hurts the prospect depth with so many of the younger guy now looking at making the roster. Also, after about the 10th pick its hard to determine at the draft if they will actually be a top 6 player or not. You still have the "look like a top line" type players, but it becomes much more of a crap shoot after the 10th pick.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 30 2015 11:31 am EST

Wild: Top 6 are more difficult to project when you aren't selecting in the first round. That said, with high picks the general rule is take the best player available, regardless of position and with later picks, you can be more selective (re draft for positional weaknesses). And in reality the Rangers lack skaters in terms of organizational depth, not just on the backline. The only position where they appear to be deep is in goaltending. Let's hope 2 or 3 of the kids they selected this past June turn out to be the real deal. It's needed IMO.

RF4L


Thu Jul 30 2015 11:05 am EST

RF4L: At the same time the article makes it sound like they need to focus on D, but really, I think they just need to keep drafting a mix of player. With the ages of the D not he roster right now, and the couple kids on their way up (and that there is usually a UFA or two involved) there is not real scary need to go crazy building D depth in the system. I think they would be better served looking for top 6 type talent in the draft at forward, centers since you can move them to wing if you have "too many" and there is going to be more of a need for that before there is need of D. I mean, Nash eventually will be gone, and not all the current kids will end up at the top of their potential (if they did great but its not likely) so they will need to find at least one top 6 F within the next coupe drafts to make sure there is at least something more not he way after Buchnevich and Tamballini....but as for D. Even the older D (not Boyle as he is not going to be around past this season) like Giradi are not "old" yet, so the top 4-5 D are rather set, and there are a couple kids on the way, and as you said Graves may be another one. So getting some D on the draft is not any more important now than in an average year. Oh another kid we know little about when it comes to NA hockey and the NHL is Anderson, he may turn out to be another possibility on the back end, but I think we will not know much fro sure until at least late this upcoming season as he adjusts to the smaller ice and to moving to NA.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 30 2015 7:50 am EST

Re the Rangers defensive depth: I don't think that dude is that far off with his concerns in that regard. McI is a question mark, like it or not and his future Ranger fate remains unclear, but may decided as soon as this fall. Skeji appears to be a legitimate prospect but remains a work in progress and his upside isn't clear. After those 2, what is there? Ryan Graves is intriguing but without a doubt is a significant unknown when it comes to his NHL potential. A decent comparison to him is Samuel Noreau. Both kids are similar in size, were mid-round drafts and were touted due to their physical play. In addition, both put up some decent offensive numbers in their last years of junior. Noreau turned pro last fall with some decent anticipation; however, now, a year later, is considered a marginal prospect due to his lack of mobility. Graves appears to be ahead of where Noreau was last year coming out of junior but until we see how he does in camp and where he ends up in October, it would be premature I think to get too excited about him. After Graves, the drop-off gets worse. Yes, the Rangers do have a very strong defense at the NHL level but another solid prospect or 2 on the backline is needed IMO. Hopefully, that Russian kid we've been yapping about the past day or 2 is the real deal.

RF4L


Thu Jul 30 2015 6:27 am EST

re: Sergey Zborovskiy - Mentioning "KAMENSKY" and "legend" in the same sentence...strike one and two ;)

tdchi


Thu Jul 30 2015 4:31 am EST

Moof could be hoof in mouth....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 29 2015 10:43 pm EST

E: LOL. I just wanted to make sure that your panties weren't bunched up because someone said something negative about a player you like. There is a lot of that around here. I suppose we are all guilty of it from time to time.

Vic


Wed Jul 29 2015 10:04 pm EST

Rhet: nice article on Sergey Zborovskiy.... HockeyDB & the Hockey news, and the NHL.com all have him listed as a LHS.... The photo's of him show a RHS... Must be a touch of "MadCow" disease, ay Stevie? .... Ah, Elite prospects have it, "right." :-) http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=277798

mf


Wed Jul 29 2015 7:52 pm EST

TD, that article had me scratching my head too. I thought we were petty good on defense and felt our pool was deep and getting deeper. Glad Im not the only one wondering what he means.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 29 2015 7:41 pm EST

WIOSA - I read that dude's rankings with interest up until I got to 11...seemed pretty spot on for the most part. But ranking SKJEI above BUCHNEVICH? TAMBELLINI compared to Anders LEE? And then while I almost totally agree with his initial assessment of McILRATH, he loses me to the end...like the Rangers would keep DIAZ over him if it came down to it...a good read though and for the most part, I think he has a good eye for what the Rangers have...now this bit about the defense...really?!? You have McD, STAAL and Girardi all signed for the next three years...and Skjei who is apparently the heir apparent to McD(I don't buy it)...and we're worried about defensive prospects?! I just don't get that statement. Worth a read though. Probably better than hockey's future, which isn't saying a lot.

tdchi


Wed Jul 29 2015 7:33 pm EST

JFC - that's why I strongly suspect DUCLAIR was kept on the roster. Granted, the kid oozes talent. But I just never saw the upside of keeping a player who isn't either physically or mentally ready for the NHL for three months. My suspicion is they were hoping the locker room would fix whatever part of his attitude that wasn't working. And I suspect that didn't happen.

tdchi


Wed Jul 29 2015 5:45 pm EST

I agree that hockey players, in general, don't seem to have that arrogant chip on their shoulders. JFC, didn't know that about Duclair, but that IS the rap on him now. I know the one that Islanders drafted, the one RR loved, he had a bad reputation, didn't know it about Duclair. Also, is it me or does Eichel come off a tad arrogant? Here's a strange article saying we are in trouble on D due to the thin corps in our minor league pool ....http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/29/9057159/july-2015-new-york-rangers-prospect-rankings-final-thoughts

WIOSA


Wed Jul 29 2015 5:20 pm EST

JFC - I hear ya..My point is that the Rangers are little different than other teams..Hockey players are just character guys..And they don't put up with douche bags in the locker room for too long..They either shaoe up or get passed around the league until they do..or out it (i.e. Asshat Avery)..Unlike the NBA and NFL

Hospo


Wed Jul 29 2015 2:48 pm EST

Anthony Duclair had a bad reputation regarding his personality/character yet the Rangers still took a chance on him. When a young player is loaded with skill and available, Rangers brass will take a chance. Similar to the Yankees, the clubhouse culture the Rangers have developed seems to keep most egos in check.

JFC31


Wed Jul 29 2015 2:46 pm EST

VIC: I take offense to everything. Especially when my expertise is challenged. I am smarter then all of you's combined and I know it. (time for ECT)

E


Wed Jul 29 2015 2:20 pm EST

Hospo: For sure, but some teams talk first about the skill of a player, the Rangers talk first about character things than add in the skill portion. Not the only team by a long shot, but they seem to put a higher weight on their personality than most teams seem to.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 29 2015 2:12 pm EST

WILD - I don't think that is particular to the Rangers and their draft picks...I think they are one of many teams that value character and hockey smarts.Actually, this "character"/good guy/ thing is more of "hockey player" thing compared to the other major sports..

Hospo


Wed Jul 29 2015 12:26 pm EST

RF4L: He does come across as a good person...and thats not a shock to me. Seems that 95% of the kids the Rangers have drafted over the last 5-6 years have had that high character on and off the ice. I imagine thats part of what makes the team almost like a family and why there have been so many willing to take a little less on a contract than they could have gotten if they really pressed. And with the amount of winning this team has been doing, I think its a pretty good blueprint to follow.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 29 2015 12:11 pm EST

http://bloggar.expressen.se/mrmadhawk/2015/07/29/bekraftat-kovacs-lanas-av-aik-fran-rogle/

Ola


Wed Jul 29 2015 12:11 pm EST

Apparantly its a done deal now that Kovac will sign a 2-year deal with Rögle in the SHL and be loaned back to AIK for this upcoming year. Good for us. No problem that its a 2 year deal, he is 2 years away from HFD no matter what.

Ola


Wed Jul 29 2015 12:04 pm EST

Kovac will play pro-hockey in Sweden. It was recently tweeted by his current team that he was signed by a SHL team (Rögle), then a few hrs later his team tweeted like "oops everything has not been finnished between Rögle and Kovac". Then I read that Rögle planned to sign him, then loan him back to his current team in the 2nd tier division AIK. But anyway it seems likely that no matter what he will play for AIK in the 2nd tier division in Sweden. Its a good division. Filip Forsberg played there before going to Nashville for example. Normally, the top 4-6 teams in that league is compareable to top tier division teams in Sweden and Finland, while the bottom 7-14 teams can be a bit so-so. So I think its a good league to play for a kid in, you get to play at a high level but also get a little easier opponents. This year its a bit special, because the SHL had an expansion so that 3 teams from the 2nd tier league where promoted, which means that maybe that league is a bit weaker than normal but I think it will be marginal. Kovac is in a real good spot with AIK. They struggled a ton last year, but he was their leading scorer and natrually is expected to have a bigger role this year as a 18 y/o. AIK is a Stockholm team with a tremendous fan base and extremely fanatic fans, but that has struggled in hockey due to financial reasons for a long time (Stockholm teams can't compete in hockey, they don't even remotely get the same support from their city as the other team and they have a very complicated arena situation). So he will get a lot of attention and play with a fair amount of pressure on him, while being in a position he can do real well in (nobody will trash the homegrown 17-18 y/o kid when the team struggles).

Ola


Wed Jul 29 2015 10:51 am EST

Rhet: Thanks for the link - it was an interesting read. Zborovskiy comes across as a fine young man with his head squarely on his shoulders. I liked what I read about him when the Rangers selected him (I hadn't even heard of him prior to that) and I have a feeling he could turn out to be one of the sleepers in the draft. Good size, isn't afraid of the physical play and has some skill. I think this year will be important for him in terms of development. As he alludes to in the article, year one was a transition season both culturally and hockey wise. Year 2 is often when CHL imports experience a significant spike in their development.

RF4L


Wed Jul 29 2015 10:22 am EST

Great article on Sergey Zborovskiy. It seems he had plenty of interest from the Chicago Blackhawks before the draft and the NYR took him by surprise as they had no prior contact before the draft. "(Gordie) Clark is a good friend of John Paddock, my coach in Regina. He said that they followed me for the whole season, that they were very happy with my progresses and that they were waiting for me to go to camp in September." .....http://thehockeywriters.com/sergey-zborovskiy-fully-adapted-to-north-america/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 29 2015 9:52 am EST

E: Don't take the groupings of 10 that literally. When I suggested that framework it was to really create the distinctions of A, B and C. As I said, it is all subjective and there are many different ways to look at it with a lot of bleeding (crossover) at the boundaries. In any given year there may be less then 10 guys that we would all consider 1A players. In fact, I would argue that most of the time the 1A group is probably smaller then the 1B group. The lists constantly change as guys "arrive" or "decline" respectively. I think a good way to look at it is the guys that seem to be on everyone's list of 1A Centers are probably your true 1A guys. The guys that are on some folks list but not others are guys that are dancing near the boundaries either on the bottom of the 1A list or the top of the 1B list. The same goes for the boundary from 1B to 1C. And again, nobody should take offense to where one guy ranks a player versus where another guy ranks a player. It is all subjective. You mentioned COUTURE yesterday. You get to see more of him then I do. Your opinion of him is probably different as a result. I would have him somewhere in the 1B to 1C mix but on the rise..

Vic


Wed Jul 29 2015 9:17 am EST

Top centers, that's a subjective thing, do you leave out mcdavid? Hasn't played a game but could come in and be one of if not the best center in the league. There are obvious choices Crosby Malkin stamkos toews Tavares I'd say that's the non arguable list amongst everyone after that it becomes a mix of likes dislikes etc. Bergeron could be considered 1a come playoffs but 1b regular season so where does he fall? You could argue in recent times Crosby is 1a regular season 1b playoffs so how does that work? Kopitar 1a or 1b he has two cups? Where does Stepan fall in all this? It doesn't really matter if 1a or 1b meant something how has this team been to the conference finals three times and the scf once and has had the second most playoff wins in the last four years? They seem to win despite the brassard/Stepan 1a/1b labels a lot more than pitts double barrel 1a set up of Crosby Malkin. I honestly believe a healthy zuch and even a heather d would have meant a return to the cup finals this year. Did this team improve in the off season? I don't know it's hard to improve on a season like last year so probably not, but are they weaker? I don't think so, I think if miller and Kreider improve on last season amd having Yandle comfortable in the system they can be better. AV says it takes 20 games to adjust to his system I see Yandle being more productive this season that alone makes the team better. The real question marks are the effect of trading hags will have on the forecheck and PK and what will etem and strals bring to the table. From the goal line to the blue line this team is sick and with a healthy zuch an emerging Kreider and Nash finding scoring in the post season I see no reason why the rangers won't be playing deep into the post season or winning a cup

York18


Wed Jul 29 2015 9:09 am EST

I have no idea if either will come overseas but Robin Kovacs and Daniel Bernhardt were both selected in last month's OHL import draft, by NNorth Bay and London respectively.

RF4L


Wed Jul 29 2015 8:06 am EST

Good news! It appears Andersson's out-clause also includes Hartford after all.... Report: Rangers prospect Andersson headed to North America... http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/29/report-rangers-prospect-andersson-headed-to-north-america/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 29 2015 5:41 am EST

E: Duchene is one that we may never see really fully reach what most saw as his top potential. He has some deep rooted mental stuff, he works hard the season before last and came into the year in top shape and went 100% most of the time but last season he had an "I've arrived" attitude again and wasn't as good when he wasn't doing "fun" things like getting scoring chances. I expected Roy to snap him into shape but it hasn't happened and with that it may never.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 29 2015 5:36 am EST

RHET: That "list" of stats is impressive. Some will argue that the rest of the team needs to step up but still, to be one of any small number in the NHL is a positive...well for good stats that is.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:44 pm EST

Stepan, 25, registered 16 goals and 39 assists for 55 points, along with a plus-26 rating and 22 penalty minutes in 68 games with the Rangers this past season. Stepan was one of two NHL players who ranked tied for fifth or higher on his respective team in all of the following categories in 2014-15: assists, points, game-winning goals, plus/minus rating, shots on goal, power play goals, power play assists, power play points, shorthanded goals, shorthanded assists, and shorthanded points (along with Jonathan Toews of the Blackhawks). In addition, he was one of three NHL players who tallied 55 or more points, posted a plus/minus rating of plus-25 or better, and recorded 25 or fewer penalty minutes in 2014-15..... Stepan established career-highs in assists per game (0.57), plus/minus rating, shorthanded goals (two), and shorthanded points (five), and tied a career-high in shorthanded assists (three) this past season. He also averaged 0.81 points per game in 2014-15, which is the most he has averaged in an 82-game season thus far in his career.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:44 pm EST

Yeah, I just thought it was interesting how people view that second level that would backfill the list after the greats. I found it interesting. There is no wrong or right in this. And don't trust my opinions. I've long established myself as an educated monkey. But only I'm allowed to say that.

E


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:38 pm EST

Rhet minus borque . Diaz, and summers,add Big Mac and Limburger .....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/m_roster.htm

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:26 pm EST

Interesting stuff... Based on PPG (points-per-game) from ages 21-24:..... Patrice Bergeron .75 ($6.875M AAV).... Derek Stepan .74 ($6.5M AAV).... David Kreijci .74 ($7.25M AAV) .....Ryan O'Reilly .73 ($7.5M AAV)..... Jordan Staal .68 ($6M AAV)..... Joe Pavelski .61 ($6M AAV)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:24 pm EST

Hospo: Makes sense and more support for Stepan being a 1B centerman (of course, that's assuming A B and C are in groups of 10).

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:23 pm EST

E: Yep, I get that. But if you're gonna post about folks that do list their top 10s with comments about why certain players are missing, it behooves you to post your own. Otherwise, it's simply meaningless (and for me your opinion usually isn't). Make sense?

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:14 pm EST

Hipcheck... Totally agree. I'm expecting a big season from Stepan this season ....Stevie... We're in good shape through camp. When the season starts, we'll pair the lineup down to 22 players (our usual) and at minimum we'll have about $850k in cap space. That's plenty and about what we average starting any season. We're good.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:01 pm EST

RF: I really don't know how to do it. There is really Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Getzlaf, Teows, and Stamkos who really rise to another level. After that? There is so many good centers. Kopitar, Couture, Nugent-Hopkins, Bergeron, Giroux, Johansen, Johnson etc... And there are so many ascending centers like Duchene, Galchenyuk etc... with such upside. I'm not trying to punt on a top-8. Moreso, there are those indisputables on everyones list. After that? The league has an awful lot of great players.

E


Tue Jul 28 2015 7:05 pm EST

STEPAN has a major impact on the entire Team just being in the damn lineup. The Rangers miss this guy bad, when he's out injured. Look at all tbe winning that has gone on around here since he arrived. Coincidence, you tell me? In my minds eye I always picture him raising the cup in Ranger Blue.

hipcheck


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:58 pm EST

STEPAN: I just read over a list of NHL centers... I think there can be an easy case made for Stepan to be a top 20 center in the NHL if you factor in age, defense, and hockey smarts.... I was actually surprised... there are a lot of fading stars playing the position right now..

schneidw


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:52 pm EST

HOSPO_ Let me help you ;-) In no particular order AND ignoring players that I dislike (eg PITT) I would certainly include Getzlaf, Ko[itar, Tavaras, .... As for up and coming... Duchene Johanson, Mackinnon are impressive... I will ignore the fading stars...

schneidw


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:50 pm EST

Stepan isn't close to any top 10 list. Take out guys like Dats and Zetterberg you got to put in guys like McDavid and co. Heck Stepan de facto is out 2nd line center, but he is top 10 in the league? Stepan can't play with scorers. He is a good fit with typical 2nd line players. Good center. Let's not get carried away here... ;)

Ola


Tue Jul 28 2015 5:45 pm EST

Rhet that might force Gorton fisherman to make some moves. that's way to close to the ceiling......they'll probably be forced to use 20-22 man roster.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 5:24 pm EST

Stevie.... General Fanager forgot to include Duclair's signing bonus of $125k and they are including Megna who IMO, is the longest of long shots. Lindberg has a much more realistic chance of making the team(that and the fact that the NYR would not want to lose him on waivers). That's another $50k when you make that substitution. That puts us at $250,875 in cap space like I mentioned yesterday.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 28 2015 5:05 pm EST

RF4L - Just off the top of my head (no stats/no lookie), I say Tavares, Crosby, Malkin (if C), seguin (if C), Getzlaf, Stamkos, Datsyuk, Johnson, Kopitar, backstrom

Hospo


Tue Jul 28 2015 4:55 pm EST

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 4:53 pm EST

this kid pulled their pants down......http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1419

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 4:37 pm EST

Hospo. And your other 8 please.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 4:35 pm EST

E. Ok who are the other 8 on your list?

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 4:07 pm EST

E - I HATE top 10 lists but if I'm putting together a TOP 10 lists for Centers I'm putting BERGERON on it.......Not becasue his skill and speed and offense should be in the TOP 10 regular season centers but because there are few centers in the game that do all the things he does when it matters---in the POs....BERGERON and TOEWES are the guys that come to mind for me...

Hospo


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:54 pm EST

I'm surprised that Bergeron isn't in most peoples list and no Couture either.

E


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:38 pm EST

Last season is not a good one for comparing Backstrom and Stepan. Backstrom tore his hip labrum in November and was in constant pain that got worse and worse as the season progressed. By the time the POs came, he was a shell of himself.

JFC31


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:28 pm EST

WILD: We've done this exercise before many times. It is largely subjective but since you asked I will give you the guys that I would put in the 1A category RIGHT NOW. Off the top of my head and in no particular order: TOEWS, CROSBY, MALKIN, GETZLAF, TAVARAS, SEGUIN, STAMKOS, DATSUK, KOPITAR. I still count STAMKOS as a Center even though Tampa put him on the wing in the playoffs. I put SEGUIN in the top group now as he has arrived. I moved THORNTON out as he is in decline. DATSUK is still an elite player when he is healthy. He just has a problem staying healthy at his age. I used to think that BACKSTROM was flirting with this group but my opinion of him has slipped. He puts up points but I think a lot of that is the effect of playing with AO. He is invisible far too often to be considered a 1A guy.

Vic


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:25 pm EST

Wild: Yes, perhaps Sedin, too. Mind you, if you're talking one year, maybe you don't swap Stepan for either Sedin or Datszuk. The bottom line, for me, those are the 1As. Stepan is in the 1B grouping, but, I'd argue, closer to the top of it vs the bottom. Given the 1As, there is zero shame in him being in the 2nd grouping. Of Staal, Backstrom, Johansen/Datszuk, Bergeron, Krejci, MacKinnon. Statsny, O'Reilly, Stepan and Couture (my 2nd grouping), I have no problem putting Stepan at the top end, right behind Johansen/Datszuk and probably Bergeron, with a caveat that MacKinnon will likely move into the top grouping within a year or so. And there's also Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel looming in the background - depending on how quickly they develop, either (or both) could be in the top 10 within a couple of years. Of course, 2 years from now, others could and will drop down.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:21 pm EST

But as you make those lists, IN Washington, Backstrom(sp) had only 3 more 5 v 5 points than Step last season, but had 33 pp points to Steps 10, now put Step with Ovechkin on the PP he probably puts up just as many PP points...and Step is better in the other zones than Backstrom, so is he "better" than Step or just different? And thats where the nuance comes into play....Step is a really top notch 2 way center, some of the guys who most would put ahead of him are not so great away from the puck, and have guys like Ovechkin on their wing, and that makes anyone look better.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:18 pm EST

RF4L: I could see VAN doing Sedin...but due to age....not skill or production or anything, but purely to get a guy that has more years ahead than behind. But your point stands. I like that list....

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:16 pm EST

If the top 10 is considered to be Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Toews, Stamkos, Giroux, Seguin, Getzalf, Sedin and perhaps Datszuk, the only one I'd swap Stepan with (if I'm the other team) is maybe Datszuk, but that's only due to his advanced years. And really on 2nd thought I'd probably push Datszuk into the 2nd 10 and move Johansen into the 1st 10. Given that, is there any player listed in that group that anyone can see an opposing GM agreeing to do a 1 for 1 with Stepan? I can't see it.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:11 pm EST

Vic: Interesting way of putting things. I'm curious, when you did your 10 10 and 10, did you actually put names to each grouping? If so, who do you put ahead of Stepan in the 2nd group of 10? The first 10, I assume, include the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Tavares, Toews, Stamkos, Giroux, Seguin, Getzalf, Sedin and perhaps Datszuk? Included in the next 10 are Staal, Backstrom, Johansen, Bergeron, Krejci, MacKinnon. Statsny, O'Reilly, Stepan and Couture. In the final 10 would be Brassard, Duchene, RNH, Thornton, Kesler, Carter, Little, Bozak, Spezza and perhaps Hudler. For sure subjective, especially at the bottom of each grouping and the top of the 2nd sets. For me, however, Stepan is most definitely in the 2nd group but not at the bottom. AFAIC, the only one in the group I've listed I'd swap him for straight up is Johansen (but I bet the BJs wouldn't do that!).

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:08 pm EST

Vic: Also, this last cup run I don't think it mattered who was on the forward lines, the D was so banged up there was nothing starting from the back end and the forwards had to be back so much to help that even if they were able t get 1 goal in that game 7, they would have exposed themselves to give up 1 or 2 more than they did. Hard to do anything with anyone with a back end thats so beat down.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 3:03 pm EST

VIC: Who are those top 10 Centers? I am serious, what centers would you put as the top 10.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 2:47 pm EST

TD: I know you have never agreed on the topic of STEPAN and the Rangers need for an Elite #1 Center. I don't want to get bogged down in any strange grading systems either and much of how we rate these players is subjective. There are certainly a lot of moving parts. For simplicity try this. Take all of the players at a given position and split them into three groups. A top 10, a middle 10 and a bottom 10. Call each of those A, B and C respectively. So for #1 Centers the top 10 of them in the league are roughly your 1A guys. The next 10 are your 1B guys and the last 10 are your 1C guys. That is just a rough guideline. Obviously there is a lot of bleed at the edges. To me STEPAN is a 1B and I have him at the bottom of the B group. BRASSARD is a 1C IMHO. Both are 2A players if they were your 2nd line Center. As for BERGERON and KRECJI, I have the former as a 1B and the latter as a 2A/2B. I've never thought much of KRECJI. Boston won a Cup with those two up the middle and like I've said before, It can be done. However, Boston won a Cup when they got a favorable matchup against Vancouver. They bullied their way to a Cup win and it still took 7 games if I'm not mistaken. Other then that they only have one other Cup Final appearance. Kind of like the Rangers but Boston managed to win once when they got to the Cup finals. The Rangers didn't and you definitely could argue that if they had a TOEWS as their #1 Center the Rangers win the Cup against the Kings and maybe again this year.

Vic


Tue Jul 28 2015 2:27 pm EST

WILD - They got a bit more than one line with Sydney, Malkin, Kessel, Kunitz,Perron and Hornqvist on the top 2 line3...Like the Rangers, plenty of question markes on the 3rd and 4th line, but FEHR and BONINIO help them a little....,Of course, the huge difference between the teams is the D and goaltending..

Hospo


Tue Jul 28 2015 2:03 pm EST

Wild: Maybe by January Kessel will be available!!!

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 1:36 pm EST

PIT now has 1.78 mil in cap space....and 11 F and 8 D signed. Now they can send Erixon down, but that gives them just 600K extra to sign a 12th and 13th F. They only have 3 F making under 3.75 against the cap (2.0, 1.9 and 800K) In contrast the Ragners have only 5 making 3.75 or more. Of course the Rangers pay more on the back end...and in net. But still, the Ragners may be tight against the cap, but at least they have a full roster plus extras....I imagine another move is going from PIT, I wonder what the team will actually look like this year and if they will be anything more than a one line and PP team.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 12:32 pm EST

if crybaby and malkinstein don't carry them in the playoffs, it's the sos....I hope they don't.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 12:12 pm EST

IMO, Pittsburgh's season hinges totally on their backline and whether or not 3 young players can hold it together. They are going to score without a doubt, but defend? Yikes.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 12:10 pm EST

stevie: LOL...I know, I know. I'm feeling a tad uncomfortable it to be honest! ;^)

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 12:09 pm EST

Ooops...I mean 1B!

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 12:09 pm EST

TD: IMO, KRECJI and BERGERON are both 1A centers...

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:59 am EST

The Pens continue to put together a trash barge of a team. BONINO?! I like the FEHR signing for them...I'd make sure he's not on the ice with Crosby though...but SUTTER...man, he was their best forward in the playoffs last year...not that it's saying much, but he's a heck of a grab for what amounts to a weak third-line center, a pick and a defenseman who is likely a career AHLer...though CLENDENING did have a huge upside a few years back...coup for the Canucks...just improved their team without giving up squat....fun it hilarious though that the Twittosphere is calling this a coup for the Pens. Sorry, but that team is going to be this year's Toronto. They'll hit it hard out of the gate. Come the spring, there's a good chance they're on the outside looking in.

tdchi


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:53 am EST

love fest rf4l and wildcard...what time is the snow storm today ? ....I'm not worried about the roster, it looks good enough for veenyo to get them in the playoffs....the problem is how he coaches in them.....moof I too do hope msl gets a job with the nyr ......big mac better not be waived ...he should get 10-20 games in the nhl before making a decision.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:49 am EST

VIC - Totally agree with you..Individually, all of Step, brass and Nash are good players and can help a team..but, collectively as your top forward and your top 2 centers, I do not see a Stanley Cup until that mix is changed or a significant player brought in which is pretty impossible with their salaries...........FEHR---great pickup by Pitt....would have looked good on Rangers...natural W that can center well...tough..can do a little bit of everything and win FOs...Oh well, we got Sjoostrom..I mean Stalberg..

Hospo


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:48 am EST

Vic/RF4L - holy schnikies guys. 1A, 1B, now 2A. What's next, 3C? What was Crusher Christensen? 1-double-D?! You guys don't make any sense to me on this issue. I mean, what would you call the Bruins' KRECJI and BERGERON? 1AB and 2AA? Neither one can or does "take over a game" so to speak. But I tell you what: the Bruins wouldn't have a cup without them. I know y'all aren't on board with this team or believe that they can win the cup...and that's fine. I don't agree, but whatever...I just think with this re-ranking the top center business you're both going off the deep end.

tdchi


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:37 am EST

Wild: I don't disagree. I just think if he does those things as you are saying and on a consistent basis, his point totals will rise. So will his goals because he'll be the position to get to rebounds. The skillset to take advantage of the chaos that would create is there is my point. He just needs to do it more consistently.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:29 am EST

Ola there is another way to look at it. Tikanov would have been the safe pick no real risk reward with him strals netted 20 once and has one of tge best points per min played in tge league. They good be hoping that he finds his scoring touch or even feel that he can produce tge sane scoring percentage with increased ice time and if not well then he's a fourth line waste. That's tge definition of risk and not playing it safe. Tikanov would have actually been the safer choice for this situation. I have also noticed under sather he doesn't like Russian players all that much he prefers north American swede/Finns and Czech players for some reason. Bottom line is strals may be exactly what you're calling him but he may turn out to be more. That's not playing it safe.

York18


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:20 am EST

RF4L: I want to agree, but so many bigger forwards have developed a few years in after a team has all but given up on them. SO it would be a risk either way. In any case, yeah, if he is playing constantly his point totals will almost certainly go up, but my point is that if for some reason they are not it may not be a death sentence to his Rangers career. Many things can cause that, if he is driving the net every shift and creating space that other guys use to score, well IMHO thats just as good as getting the goal himself, and he may get nothing not he scorecard, and he may get robbed by great saves a bunch of times, but it will be obvious to everyone that his numbers are not reflecting his play, I however fully believe he will be better in both game toggle consistency and on the stats sheets this upcoming season....if not this may be all he is, not bad, but not a top line guy, and if he wants to be paid like a top line guy thats a problem.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:09 am EST

BTW, I would fully support the trading of Kreider if come Christmas he's on pace for 20 goals and 45 points (which is what he did this past season) because it gives more credence to the argument that his upside is just that, which equates to a tweener (top 6/bottom 6).

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:06 am EST

Wild: Kreider's point totals will naturally increase if he brings the consistency to his game you mention (and BTW I concur that's the biggest issue with him, as it is with many young developing players - great for 3 games, invisible for 4, great for one period, invisible for 2, great for 1 shift, invisible for 3, etc). The raw skillset is there and coupled with that consistency we are speaking of, 30+ goals is more than reasonable to expect. He does that and I'd argue there's your missing top 6 winger. Put him on a line opposite Nash's and you have 2 lines with dangerous goal scorers that would be extremely difficult to defend against.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:02 am EST

With those moves, the Pens are about $3,000,000 from the cap with only 10 forwards signed (and 8 d-men). I wonder if Sheppard will be their next signing!

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 11:01 am EST

RF4L: Agreed (yikes) if Kreider or someone doesn't step up and play better (for Kreider I have said its not so much point totals but consistency game in and game out instead of good and bad stretches) than someone "we" will not liked moved will be shopped. I imagine it wouldn't be a young guy for a vet type thing, but something like Kreider and Miller for one young top 6 forward who has shown to be better. Can't say I have an idea who, but that type of trade. But yeah I think it will be given some time and they will sit back and see how things shake out for a couple months. Nothing is going to be done quickly or with haste, nor should it be.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:57 am EST

Wild: Agreed (holy crap you and I agree - hell's gonna freeze over next!). Therein lays the conundrum for Gorton and the Rangers. They need real progress from some of their younger players. That, of course, isn't unprecedented but given where the Rangers are (a competitive team looking to take the next and final step to win a cup) it is a bit unusual and for sure, a gamble. If all produce this season as they did last season, it's going to be extremely difficult. IMO, their single biggest issue the last 2 POs has been their lack of timely goals. Sather paid an enormous price when he acquired MSL because he recognized that issue. MSL, of course, wasn't the answer. An obvious 2nd attempt at addressing the issue hasn't been made and it's got to be because Gorton is looking from within for the answer, as we are discussing. It will be interesting to see how he reacts if say by Christmas it's apparent it's not happening. It could prove to be his first real challenge as a GM (well maybe 2nd challenge seeing as he's managed to resign everyone and stay under the cap). That challenge could end up being the shopping of someone like Kreider (in a package) to get a proven not ancient top 6 winger. It sure will be interesting to watch as the season starts to unfold (that being who, if anyone, is taking their game to the next level).

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:50 am EST

stevielegs: If my guess is right about Sheppard not being able to grasp the system well under AV, than he will not and should not get anything from the Rangers...unless its just a "doing a nice thing" type deal to let a guy get out there for other teams to look at, but again, IF my guess is correct he shouldn't be on the team.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:49 am EST

and the PENs keep spinning their wheels....they get another forward, and in a trade of a different forward bring back a young offensive defensemen who has issues defending due to his size and isn't great away from the puck....do you think they will even learn that they need some better D? At least this last signing improves their depth and bottom lines, but one guy wont fix their issues....

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:49 am EST

guess sheppard should be given a tryout.....who else is an ufa?.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:46 am EST

Interesting moves by Pittsburgh. Gotta figure Sutter got moved to make room for Fehr.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:38 am EST

Penguins also sign Eric Fehr to 3 year contract

Gibbo


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:35 am EST

#Canucks have acquired Brandon Sutter and a 3rd round pick from #Penguins in exchange for Nick Bonino, Adam Clendening and 2nd round pick.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:35 am EST

RF4L: Thats the thing that makes it tough for the Rangers brass. Step,Nash,Kreider,Brass,Zucc, Miller, Hayes, and even Etem have the skillets to be top 6, and some think the same of Fast, but most seem to feel he is a 3rd line guy, but anyway, there are 8 guys who can all be talked about as being a top 6 talent...that means the Rangers have to decide if going and using cap space and or assets to get a top 6 guy is worth it. If Kreider takes the next step along with Miller, or Etem takes the next step, than you have n real need for a top 6 wing. Now sure you could bump one of those guys down and make the bottom two lines better...but this is a cap world, and thats not easy to do. Unless you can get "that" guy for 1 year, and if a guy is that good, he will get more than one year from other competitive teams.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:28 am EST

Vic: Also, I think another top 6 winger is a bigger need for the Rangers vs getting a 1A center. However, acquiring one looks like remote so either someone like Kreider takes the big step in his game or a combination of players all ramp up their games (such as Miller, EE and MZA). If neither happen, I honestly see a repeat of the past 2 years - a competitive team that wins more often than it loses in the regular season, then has a good PO run, but ultimately, falters in the end.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:26 am EST

RF4L: Thats the issue. Even with a little more cap space, it would be tough to go and get a much better player. A guy making 1.1 mil is not going to be a world beater, you hope you get good solid games out of him. Also on Sheppard, I stand by my idea (with nothing other than reading into what has been said) that he had a harder time than others getting AVs system, and that he has been knocked for hockey IQ in the past makes me think he has been written off because of that, and that may be part of why he is still unsigned. Again I have nothing concrete, but the evidence leads me to that.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:26 am EST

Vic: I see your point but would argue that the Bruins won a cup without a 1A center. That said, they are the exception to the rule. All the other recent cup winners (Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh) have 1A centers.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 10:15 am EST

I'm on the record here many times for what I think of STEPAN and BRASSARD and my opinions have not changed. I agree that both are 1B/2A Centers in this league. And I agree that paying that combined salaries for your top 2 Centers is reasonable. What I don't agree with is that those two are sufficient. I would argue that having two really good Centers (1B/2A) as your top 2 is worse then having an Elite Center (1A) and a decent Center (2B) as your top 2. I think history has born this out over the last 25 years. Just look at the teams that win the Cup every year. Elite goaltenders are far more rare then Elite Centers. In fact, almost all teams that win the Cup do have a 1A Center. And while it is possible to win the Cup with STEPAN and BRASSARD as your #1 and #2 Centers it is certainly a much harder road and much less likely to happen. I think the fact that the Rangers have failed to win the Cup after 1 Cup appearance and two Conference Finals appearances is evidence of that. Neither STEPAN or BRASSARD have been able to carry the team through the obstacles that they have faced, be it injuries or opponent matchups. Neither is able to dominate and take over a game. Neither is able to win the matchups against 1A Centers on a consistent basis throughout all 4 rounds of the playoffs. But the Rangers have tied themselves to these two for this current window. Ultimately I think it will prove to be a mistake. Ultimately I think the Rangers will regret the way that this team was built. It will go down in history as one of the better teams of this decade but a team that was never able to get over the hump. A team that was never able to demonstrate that it could win 4 rounds in the playoffs.

Vic


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:54 am EST

BTW, 2 decent wingers with size remain unsigned: Sheppard and Fehr. I'd prefer either over Stalberg but probably both want more $$.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:52 am EST

TD: Re the Stepan 1B center discussion. Let's agree to disagree. At least we are aligned on his value to the Rangers (although I maintain it's partially due to the fact that Brassard is arguably, interchangeable with him in terms of who's centering the number 1 and 2 lines). And furthermore, paying $11,500,000 for your top 2 centers is fiscally reasonable.

RF4L


Tue Jul 28 2015 9:22 am EST

Stevie: I've been stating that for a while now. Someone suggested that if Stepan was going to be above 5 the NYR should trade him out. But in the trend of salary growth Stepan might look like a tremendous bargain in 2-years. Especially when you start hearing what a guy like Stamkos is going to do for players wallets. They are bandying about potentially 11 million. Thats insane in this cap era.

E


Tue Jul 28 2015 8:50 am EST

And why can't p Stahlberg be brought up? No different thenso much other useless shit talked about here..Besides, he was a player targetted by the new braintrust so it does reflect their thinking and evaluation of personnel a bit...and he will be a 3rd-4th liner..so not insignificant...

Hospo


Tue Jul 28 2015 8:43 am EST

the fisherman was looking for nhl players it seems to me , not no experience in the nhl guys. ....and I'm pretty sure he got veenyo's input on his deals....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 8:39 am EST

tdchi -- Stalbeg's name was brought up to illustrate that Gorton was not very ambitious or creative with his free agent signings and that there were better options available (from the KHL for instance) for the same price.

JFC31


Tue Jul 28 2015 7:38 am EST

Rangers Report ✔ @rangersreport This is how long-term contracts work in a cap world. It’s too much for Stepan right now. In a few years it will be a bargain.

stevielegs


Tue Jul 28 2015 7:09 am EST

schneidw - From watching McILRATH at the end of last season, it means exactly what BEUK said: He's ready. I think the Rangers would rather hold him in an ancillary role for the season, i.e. 7th defender/injury fill-in, than have him start simply because they lose Dan BOYLE next year and would have an easy spot for him to slide into without trading Kevin KLEIN, who is a very good player in his own rite...One of three things happens after camp, IMO: Most likely, Mack makes the team as a seventh defender and comes in to give Klein or Boyle a rest...OR...Mack really impresses the Rangers and they trade Klein in short order...OR...Mack flops in camp and ends up getting dealt shortly after the season starts...I can't see them putting him on waivers...not after what I saw last spring.

tdchi


Tue Jul 28 2015 7:03 am EST

re: STALBERG - Not sure why his name is even coming up at this point. The guy is a bottom-line signing...he's insurance if FAST and LINDBERG falter...or ETEM doesn't rise to the occasion...It's not like he's going to end up on first or second line...I'll also point out the guy has a couple things SJOSTROM never got: A 20-plus goal season and a cup ring...but if that's who he turns out to be...I have zero problem with it...Shoestring was a great penalty killer...fast as lightning...solid bottom line guy...regardless, I wouldn't even be a 100-percent certain he makes the team...or at least stays with it...a crucial thing the Rangers have been doing since last year is signing guys like him...if they don't pan out, they end up being experienced players to help Hartford win games.

tdchi


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:59 am EST

McIlrath: So I read quotes from Beukeboom like McIlrath was playing on the top pairing for the Wolf Pack and that in the second half of the season he “played his best hockey as a pro and it looks like he is knocking on the door for an NHL job."" So do WALLSTERS think what this really means is the McIIrath is improving and is not quite ready so he will play Hartford again this year because the NYRs cannot risk losing him to waiver claim and they don't have a spot for him until both Boyle and Diaz leave via UFA next year??? I don't know how to read between the lines.......

schneidw


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:58 am EST

WIOSA/Ranger47 - Agree with RF here... Islanders will be better...but until they find a real goalie and not a retread, they're going to be in the same suckhole they've been in for two or three years now...a team that can dominate in the regular season, but that shrinks away once the playoffs start. There's a reason why so many teams have given up on HALAK and it's not because he's know for being clutch...the team to watch in the east is Tampa...almost the same exact team...a year older...and with cup experience under their belt. If I were to pick a winner from here, it'd be them.

tdchi


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:53 am EST

RF4L - I'm not going to scroll back to find it, but someone here...actually I think it was a couple people...said the team won't win with STEPAN as its center...I believe the comment was framed on if he makes $7 million...but with his new contract, I'm not going to split hairs...And no, he hasn't won a cup. But is that uncommon for a 25-year old player? I don't think so...Onto this 1A and 1B business...I'm flummoxed why you do this. I mean, it seems like it's just another way to justify saying 'the Rangers aren't that good.' Is Step in a class of his own? No. Is he the Rangers' top center? YES. Is he among the top centers in the league? YES. Just going through all 30 of them in comparison to Step, I think you could genuinely rank him as between 16th and 21th...really kind of in the middle. So that makes him a '1B'? I don't get it. I mean, if you're going to break down the top-line centers into sub-categories...then what happens when you start comparing a guy like STAMKOS to someone like STAAL? 1AA and 1AB? Pretty soon we're sipping on alphabet soup. I think we agree Step is the Rangers' top center. All this other business with letters seems really quite moot.

tdchi


Tue Jul 28 2015 6:43 am EST

schneidrw: I have followed the Rangers for close to half a century. I have followed the Wall since it was red bricks and hard to read. Really enjoy all the banter here and shared passion. . other than that I am a person who fled the corporate world and became a back to the lander.

gene_carr


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:52 pm EST

RF4L: I agree totally. No excuses BUT injuries aside...if either B Richards (Kings) or M St Louis (Lightning) produced even slightly.. different story... harsh reality BUT the fact is the NYRs have the best defense-goalie tandem in the NHL so there is ALWAYS a chance for a CUP!

schneidw


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:30 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/why-cam-talbot-is-better-prepared-for-edmonton-than-you-think/

mf


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:27 pm EST

Gene Carr: Who is this dude?!! Every post is spot "on"... he knows his NYR hockey... kudos!!

schneidw


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:07 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/quebec-franchise-in-western-conference-bettman-says-maybe-but-dont-believe-it/

mf


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:33 pm EST

Wild: Yes, I agree and certainly hope so. If so, what a terrible acquisition.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:24 pm EST

RF4L: Offensive D-men tend to have more mistakes due to their style of play, the all around top notch guys are very rare. But a lot of his mistakes last year seemed to be from thinking and not reacting. That did get better, then he got hurt in the playoffs, but towards the end he was getting a little more healthy and you could see he was getting the system more. I fully expect more reaction and less thinking leading to less mistakes in the Dzone with more good breakouts.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:21 pm EST

Ola: you say Stalberg basically will not help win a cup...but that point to a team he was on and won the cup (all be it their second in 2013 or whatever) he did have 22 goals in an NHL season, and like I have said, he is playing to prove himself, and to earn another contract so he is very motivated....if he gets 30+ points he will be a good signing IMHO, I mean what else do you want for around 1 mil? All they could do is go get a different 1 mil player...and all of those types have flaws...

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:55 pm EST

OMG, considering what the Rangers coughed up to get him and the rather healthy paycheque he receives, Yandle had better be better this year. And better better not be a bunch of stupid decisions in his own end and hand-aways that get poo-pooed by those who insist all offensive d-men are mediocre in their own end....

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:53 pm EST

Moof this you ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancow_Muller

stevielegs


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:50 pm EST

Back to our regularly scheduled broadcast.. IMO both The Rangers & Stepan did well with the contract for the benefit of the club..... We can go over the Cap for the summer, do they sign or invite Sheppard to camp? Seems like a lot of middle of the road guys in terms of skill here bordering on redundancy in names like: Glass, Sheppard, Etem, Linberg, Miller, Fast.... would like us to parlay something into a top six, but I guess this is the time to hurry up and wait, be patient.... I ain't the patient type.... Trade em all!

mf


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:48 pm EST

I think Yandle will be a LOT better. His offensive skills were starting to show in the TB series. I just think he was having trouble adjusting to the system but I also think he is tailor-made to play in it. He was even much more defensively sound then I ever recall in PHX. That guy leaked like a sib there. But he also played on a crappy team so it just makes your mistakes look worse. I'm looking for Yandle to be the biggest impact player for the New York Rangers that no one is talking about next season. Plus he's playing for a contract on a year when Dustin Buf, I think Eric Johnson and Seabrook as well.

E


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:44 pm EST

mf - sorry, but something about them always puts me to sleep,,,different strokes for different folks..Here are some Long Island boys for you with a song/jam that used to always be played at MSG during Ranger Games--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ppCmo3TCs

Hospo


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:40 pm EST

Caitlyn, I would have named you, "A-man-duh!"

mf


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:33 pm EST

Moof trans jenner be careful or you'll be a castrato ... Grow a pair ...get your Botox needle out of your ear drum... Bang on ... Get some 4 way deals...stop pushing stools in at the bar ...

stevielegs


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:23 pm EST

OLA - Love the Fast Freddie comparison for stalberg...A whole lotta motion for nothing,,,But Renney loved him for some reason like the current bozo's like Stalberg...Not a good omen to me...

Hospo


Mon Jul 27 2015 7:37 pm EST

LeoS: STEPAN ain't singing this today... (Let's see Hospo sleep through this one ;-)) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDjlV-goI4

mf


Mon Jul 27 2015 7:26 pm EST

CaitlynLegs: watch what you say about crystal balls and 3 ways brother! Or would that be Sister? ...... Think we lost a hell of a lot of "Hockey I.Q." & experience with the loss of MSL.. That's irreplaceable in my book, and perhaps worthy of a specialized coaching appointment to teach positioning.... Hagelins loss doesn't overly concern me (watch him punish us every contest we face them) he had to be moved for the cap space and gauging the difficulty with filling his void........ Did you say Intangibles CaitlynLegs? Well, did your hooters hit & knock off the bar during the high jump? I mean, it's difficult to gauge the growth & improvement of Kreider, Miller, Hayes, & Fast..... The contributions from Eat-em-up, and Veeek-Toor Stalberg and yet to be determined...... Next: "IF" Rhets #'s are in fact accurate, and I certainly hope they are, then we have $250,875K in cap space.... Not sure if Smegna's $600K has been factored out of that figure, but if we trade Tanner Glass, we have $1,710,875 to sign a guy like Sheppard, or Stoll, Fehr, or maybe SmeLL-A buys out Richards.... Glad Semin signed away... And Lastly, Brassards Cap Hit is $5million Clamaroo's, not $5.5mill.....

mf


Mon Jul 27 2015 5:45 pm EST

Take my word for it, Stålberg is much more Freddy Sjöström than Benoit Pouliot... He is a stiff. Real strong skater, he is in great shape. Strong and good wrister. Good forechecker. But no hockey sense to talk off. I think Stålberg could do alright on a 4th line, but like I said before the problem I have with that signing is that is real low upside. We will have injuries. 4th liners or others will play higher up the lineup. To win a Cup, you need kids projected as say 3-4 liners to play as good 2nd liners, like LAK got when they won both times for example. When Chicago won the first time, they had a bunch of guys everyone had given up on play great hockey, Handzus and the likes. I think Vik Tikhonov might have been a golden opertunity for us. The kid is real good and can play in any role. Him or someone more in that direction would have had me really excited. Vic Stalberg? Seems to me like a GM that isn't willing to risk anything...

Ola


Mon Jul 27 2015 4:58 pm EST

Hospo fun you.....my crystal balls get broken everyday, so the future is not ours to see...que sera sera........the roster is set, they should be close to the same team they were last year...msl was shot in the last half, so he's not a big hole....hagelin is, but somebody will hopefully step up....and big mac has to stick whether veenyo likes it or not. he claimed he was close last year so he should be better than dizzy diaz.... or .he will be claimed if waived.....now on with the wall show.....moof is probably trying to find new 3 way trades......and rf4l can't blame sather anymore....it's the gorton fisherman reign of error.....did you read ola's darkness post?.....parade practice starts in September.....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 27 2015 4:43 pm EST

Pete - One thing " Let's at least unti we are playing .500 hockey in December before we count them out." Hey, if people didn't put out how they felt now and instead waited december or spring, what would there be to talk about? It's all in good fun...

Hospo


Mon Jul 27 2015 4:18 pm EST

RF4L...there is only one possible upgrade if you assume no one else will improve from last year. Kreider, Hayes and Fast should get better. Hopefully Yandle fits in better with a deep run under his belt. We already have one of the best "D" corps and goalie in the league. I'm not saying we are favorites, but I'm not too concerned. I do wish we didn't have so much money tied up in Lundqvist though. He's a top three goalie in this league but his contract is hurting us. Corey Crawford and Quick have two cups each and makes $2.5M less.

pete


Mon Jul 27 2015 2:52 pm EST

Pete....yep and they had a good year, but got didn't go as far in the POs as they did the previous year. Right now I see one possible upgrade - McI will bring to the team a level of nastiness we've not seen in RangerLand for years. If he makes the team...everything else seems status-quo.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 2:50 pm EST

I bet if you were to look at the wall last year at this time, most of the posts are similar what they are now. The team didn't improve enough, lost some key pieces, isn't capable of making a deep run, etc...The cup is won on the ice, not on paper. Let's atelast unti we are playing .500 hockey in December before we count them out.

pete


Mon Jul 27 2015 2:02 pm EST

not a bad deal for the nyr on stepan, even with the 7.5 mil from some here, and my 5.5 mil for brassard...guess gorton split the difference....he's unfired ...for now....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:53 pm EST

It would be great if they could somehow squeeze' SHEPPARD under the cap. I guess it's not looking good unless that make a trade?

hipcheck


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:47 pm EST

As it stands, did the Rangers get worse compared to last year?..hard to say they got better when the changes are Stalberg and Etem..over MSL and Hagelin but, with possible/HOEPFUL improvement by the likes of Miller, Hayes and Fast, it's also hard to say they got worse.....They still have one of, if not THE best combination of goaltender and backline, hopefully made better by a full year of YANDLE..Now, do i hope Boyle and/or Diaz blow their knee out in preseason and Big Mac gets a chance? Yes, but even without that and Boyle in the top 6, it will be good.......So, all in and all, this will once again be a very good regular season team......WITH ONE RED FLAG (to me) that can torpedo it....the health of MZA and or Rick Nash (the former still comncerning me) becasue of the zero depth.......But still, as always, the regular season means Didley squat and, broken record, i remain convinced that if Nash, Step and Brass are your three main leaders up front (including ice times) this team will not WIN the cup unless somebody is brought in from the outside that can provide a little more tough/skill/leadership for the forward lines..JMWO

Hospo


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:22 pm EST

gene_carr: Not your imagination...the wall was alive with hate for Sather for that signing. A couple people were willing to give him a chance, but even people like me who were kind of thought it was a bad signing, a high risk signing. This time around at least the guy signed has some history of having an impact on the ice. (half ppg two years in a row for CHI) even his crappy yeas in NAS he was better than his numbers suggest...I man yeah just 10 points last season, however he only got 24 games to get them...so .4 ppg. If he plays 82 games at .4-.5 he will bring 32-40 points...not great but thats not what you expect from a bottom 6 guy....if he does better than that as he is trying to do in order to prove himself on a one year deal (so it wouldn't shock me to see him do well) he could be a real asset to the Rangers. Not giving it a for sure type forecast, but I think he is one of two guys that we should all sit back and wait and see with, the other is Etem....both could turn out great or terrible, most likely is that one does better than we think and one dose as expected doing less than hoped.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:07 pm EST

RF4L: the caps also lost one of their better playoff performers in Ward...and had some other losses as well. I looked at them as having a flat maybe slightly improved offseason, but nothing that convinces me that it puts them over any hump.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:06 pm EST

The Strallberg signing looks very similar to the Pulliot signing to me. If I remember correctly both have been received with the same enthusiasm here on the Wall.

gene_carr


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:05 pm EST

Here is an article...that while a bit more harsh than my take, kind of gets at what I am talking about with the islanders----> http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/14/new-york-islanders-lee-strome-snow/

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:02 pm EST

The Islanders are indeed a strong team with lots of potential. However, if I was a fan I'd worry about Halak being my number 1 goalie.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 1:01 pm EST

The Caps got better, too, I think with the additions of Williams and Oshie. Their defense, however, is slow and I'm not sold yet on Holtby.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:59 pm EST

The Islanders did have 70 something more man games lost due to injury in the regular season....but they were still a good team, it wasn't the injuries that hurt them in the regular season. They did in the post season...but the same can be said for the Rangers in the post season...and the islanders still have down older players that could end up hurt this season...you can't count on health. But the point is, they made almost no moves...and if their young players are better just because they got experience than the Rangers young players will be better as well, and that's a wash. So again I ask, what division team really improved this offseason for this upcoming season?

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:55 pm EST

TD: Who said Stepan can't center a cup team? No one from what I can see. What is fact is that he hasn't yet. Furthermore, it's subjective, yes, but 1B IMO fits him fine in terms of a description for what he brings. All those others you mentioned are 1As. The fact that he's the best they've had since 05 says more about what hasn't been done in NY than he does about his ability to be a 1A. And for the record, I'm fine with 2 1B centers, which is what he and Brassard are IMO. That's equal to a 1A and a number 2 AFAIC. Finally, regardless of Stepan's new deal IMO this team won't win the cup without goal support for Nash, which they didn't have this past PO nor in 2014. So much, at this point in the off-season, is riding on Kreider's ability to ramp up his game. Of course, any one of Hayes, Miller and perhaps even EE could also be of great help with a surge in their game(s). And a wild card might be MZA - lots of creativity and spunk in his game - wouldn't it be nice to see him score 25+ goals?

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:47 pm EST

WIOSA: I agree...the Isles are the ones that most concern me.

Ranger47


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:44 pm EST

The Rangers got a good deal. This makes Stepan our defacto number one center for at least the next 4 years. I really hope it is good enough to win a Cup. Still not sure.

NYStranger


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:38 pm EST

Wild, who got better? The Islanders. AAMOF they were a force last season and lost because they 1. Lacked experience 2. Were decimated by injuries...both issues are resolved as we "Speak"...They scare me.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:16 pm EST

WIOSA: Step is added to the list, ever growing, of players who could have gotten more someplace else. In this case Step COULD have signed a short term deal, or taken the ARB deal and gone to UFA in 2 seasons for far more than 6.5 per. The team is looking more and more like some players talk about, a family of sorts, and no one wants to leave. Its unfortunate that they can't keep everyone all the time, but thats life in a cap world.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:14 pm EST

Ok we all know that Stepan couldve gotten more..so can we fairly agree the guy gave us the oft scoffed at "hometown discount" ?

WIOSA


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:40 am EST

Adding to the last, I could really care less about the West, only see them when t really count in the SCF so your seeing a great team regardless and who that is matters not. It's the east I worry about...and in the division first and foremost. Those are the teams your fighting for home ice with and are likely to see in the first two rounds. Among those teams I don't see any that really took much in the way of big steps to improve.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:38 am EST

JFC: what teams got better that the Ranges will really have to worry about? I mean the ECF and the SCF will always have the best teams so I don't count them, it's getting there, what temas have done things to improve that the Rangers will need to beat along the way?

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:31 am EST

@PLeonardNYDN: If I heard him correctly, Stepan says contract includes full no-trade clause in years 3 and 4, and a limited 15-team no-trade yrs 5 & 6 #NYR

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:24 am EST

limbo - definitely pumped...but I wouldn't be so quick to say we didn't get better. We lost ST. LOUIS, HAGELIN, TALBOT, HUNWICK and maybe SHEPPARD...gained ETEM, RAANTA, McILRATH, LINDBERG and STALBERG. I personally think Etem has a HUGE upside and could very well make us forget Hags in short order. The kid is poised to break out. Stalberg isn't a bad player either. This is a guy who not long ago had 20-plus goals. He signed a bad contract with a team that was devoid any sort of offensive creativity and paid the price....also think we're gonna see a lot of the young, homegrown players take the next step. We've seen a kid like KREIDER billed as someone who could be a Corey PERRY type player...imagine he takes that jump next year? And I've said MILLER could be a coke-and-drug free version of Mike RICHARDS...we've also only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to FAST'S offensive potential...and let's nit forget about HAYES, who didn't really come into his own until more than halfway through the season...and on top of all of this, we get a full season of YANDLE, a PPQB the likes we haven't seen since Leetch left town. The Rangers will be at least as good as they were in the post-season. I'd say a lot better. You have players who are coming into their own and that's really important to note when gauging how good the Rangers will be...as a simple metric...do you think anyone in Tampa is saying the Lightning aren't going to be any better because they didn't change their lineup much? I doubt it. Sometimes a lack of change is good. It's real good for the rangers.

tdchi


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:23 am EST

Good to see the Rangers negotiate another good contract with Stepan now in the fold....speaks volumes about the culture that this team has developed, how well the organization treats its players and how the players appreciate the team and know that "money can't buy you love." That being said, all we've done so far is spend more money for the same player and HUGE question marks remain about how the fringe moves that Gorton has made so far will work out. I see other teams right now as having done more to improve their chances and other teams who look to be on the cusp,of having their young/inexperienced teams start to blossom. So much for the Rangers depends on Kreider and Hayes continuing to improve, Etem & Stalberg showing that they can play at a high level and the Rangers having to absolutely change their style of play to one that will be more successful in the playoffs. Many, many question marks with this team. Right now IMO they are not improved and have a lot to prove to be considered a legitimate Cup contender.

JFC31


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:10 am EST

re: STEPAN's contract. There is positively NO downside to this contract. The Rangers score an absolute COUP at six years and $6.5 million. Step is worth more than that NOW and he's only getting better. That's a great cap hit for a guy who is, make no mistake about it, the Rangers' first-line center. Screw this "1B" business. He's a too center, period. He might not be a future hall of famer like TOEWS or CROSBY...he might not take over games like TAVARES or PERRY, but he's as solid a pivot as the Rangers have had this side of the 2005 lockout. Well worth every penny of the contract and TBH, he's gonna be worth more come next year at this time. By year 3, this figure will look like a bargain. This business about Step not being able to center a cup team is white noise...totally ridiculous.

tdchi


Mon Jul 27 2015 11:00 am EST

Checking in - I agree we didn't get better this off season, probably a step (no pun intended) back with no Hags. But, still not sure how you can't be pumped for this season - we lose an albatross, some kids will get chances, should be fun to see who steps (recurring theme?) up. The reality is that we have been a solid team for the past 2 years and we still have that core here. We lost Stralman and Boyle last year and won the East. I think we'll be fine this year too. Playoffs are playoffs - need some luck as well as talent to hoist the cup. But this is a very good team, has been for years, let's not forget that. In fact, let's enjoy it.

limbo


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:52 am EST

For that contract I'd think he may want to get a face off coach or something you know, to be the complete center he's now being paid to be...

PatrickDiv


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:48 am EST

oh it was Step that said both sides were close the entire time, not the Rangers.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:47 am EST

keep in mind 850K at the start of the season will equal a season long cap hit of a player making approximately 2.5 mil. That is more than enough come deadline day to cover a player who can help out. Not a top line guy, but if they need a top line guy than something has terribly wrong with the top 6. Also if there is a major injury there is likely going to someone on LTIR and you have a Chicago situation, and than there would be more cap space available to play with with. If they feel they are going to bump down a player fro the top 6, or even the top 9 than a player will come off the cap either part of the trade or to the minors and again more cap space will develop. SO while early it looks tight, I don't think they will be doing much early anyway, and come the deadline, unless something major has happened they will be looking for a 3rd line guy at the most I would think and again 2.5 plus what cap is going the other way will likely get it done.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:44 am EST

Damn Im good..lol, I said it would come in between 6.25 & 6.5...,Thats good. Allthat done, I agree with RF4L, we really didnt improve. Ill go one further, we took a step back, that is until we see what our youth can contribute.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:44 am EST

RF4L... That's cap space at a minimum. It all depends on who makes the 22 man squad. Also, it's more cap space then they've had the last few seasons when starting off the year.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:40 am EST

STEPAN: According to the NYR not sides were close to begin with. Makes me think if we could really get an idea of what was going in behind closed doors that it came down to years and things like movement clauses or how much in salary and how much in bonus and things like that.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:29 am EST

Here's one for you Wild: Kevin Allen singing the praises of both Gorton and Stepan: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2015/07/27/derek-stepan-new-york-rangers-contract/30729107/

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:25 am EST

Bob: IMO, the Rangers have not improved their roster yet this summer. However, improvement (re Kreider for example) will come from within.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:24 am EST

Hospo: Yes, given what he probably could have gotten - perhaps not this year via arbitration but either next year (when this would have been repeated) or when he hits UFA status. I sure hope TD is correct and Stepan's game has flattened out. And I still maintain another top 6 forward is crucial, unless Kreider is able to elevate his game (which I believe is both quite possible and something the Rangers are counting on).

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:22 am EST

RF4L=I don't see any reason to assume they won't. There is always the possibility of injury or something catastrophic. Now, if you are asking me if they will win the cup, I don't know. We have witnessed them come up short 3 times in the last 4 years. Tampa is not going away anytime soon. You could argue that they had no business beating the Caps, who have improved. The degree to which they were shut down by Tampa at home twice is alarming, and they have not done anything to address that this year to date.

Bob


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:14 am EST

6 years at 6.5 mill? Wow, no matter my thoughts on Step, Rangers got a good deal on him relative to the market..

Hospo


Mon Jul 27 2015 10:01 am EST

Should read 'at a minimum.' Next order of business for me would be to work on an extension for Yandle. Clarify what his intentions for the future are. If we have any time left after that, we can work on trading Glass and re-signing Sheppard. But that's just me :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:58 am EST

Rhet: They need more, IMO. If Gorton agrees, I wonder how he'll free up space. Who will go? Easy answer is KK I suppose.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:56 am EST

The NYR currently have $250,375 in Cap Space with a 23 man roster. By the start of the season they will most likely get down to their usual 22 man roster (13 forwards, 7 defensemen & 2 goalies). At that time they will save another $600k minimum. That would bring their total cap space up to $850,375.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:54 am EST

Bob: Do you feel the Rangers, as they are built right now, will challenge for the cup this season?

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:51 am EST

Glad Step is signed up and the price is right in the range it should be.

Bob


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:48 am EST

And I really don't get why it's such a crime to call someone a 1B center. There aren't 30 1A centers so lots of teams would be happy to have Stepan centering their top line. Can a team with Stepan centering their top line win a cup? So far, the answer is no.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:45 am EST

Wild: Sorry dude, but your constant defense of all things Rangers and dismissal so often of anything that isn't glowingly gushing, often in a pompous haughty manner (re using words like 'it's silly to say...') reeks of a person taking things personally. Furthermore, firing off inaccurate accusations like 'you are so negative about every move made by the Rangers...' just emphasizes that.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:38 am EST

RF4L: And its not personal, and its nothing to do with Step being a Rangers player. I have gone rounds with people here about non rangers because they so grossly misrepresent a player...you say I have Rangers colored glasses...i think its more you have magic glasses that turn everything Rangers into a not so great thing and only let you see worse case scenarios...thats why you are so negative about every move made by the Rangers, and you find a way, against facts to talk great about other teams moves.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:36 am EST

RF4L: Its must the Ranger fan way to put guys down if they are not a all time great. Again..you call him a 1B I think that absolute nonsense. Not one single person would call Teresenko a 1B RW...but he has less points per game than Step career wise, and has had one good season, but according to Rangers fans he is the second coming....Step goes out and improves every season only to be slowed by injury...but he isn't considered a number 1 center by Rangers fans. In todays NHL, he IS a number 1, no asterisk, no "B" designation. There are very very very few dominant centers in the NHL, even the ones looked at as dominate are weak someplace, the only thing that makes fans like you happy is a generational talent, and there are only a couple of those playing at any given time. But sure, you want to call Step a 1B, go ahead, its just a silly thing to say about a guy who outscores other teams top pivots....some of which (not by you) have been called "number 1 centers" by those who say Step isn't...just funny....I would bet if Step wasn't on the Rangers, and he was on the Islanders the tune about him would be totally different.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:29 am EST

As it stands for this upcoming season Step will be the 17th highest paid C. Byt he start of the season after (thanks to ROR) he will drop to 18th. There are a few UFA and RFA C next summer that COULD get more, so he may drop more than that on the list. And with the young guns each year who are on ELC that will end within the next 2-3 years by the time his deal is half over he will not even be a top 20 paid C, at the end of his deal he may not be a top 30 paid C. Long term this deal is really nice. Hurts a bit this year with the limited cap space, but if a player gets brought in, a player will have to go out, at least one, no matter what, so cap space will be opened via a trade anyway. And you have to think the team at this moment feels they have a good top 6-9, and it will be a lower line depth player they go and get if anything, so they don't need a ton of space. Over confidence can be bad, but you would rather they put out the feeling of confidence in the team rather than saying " we want to keep a bunch of cap space for when a player we signed fails" thats not a good message to send to a team.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:24 am EST

Wild: My God man, why do you take anything not glowingly gushing about any Ranger so personally? There's zero wrong with being a 1B center for crying out loud. Nor is there anything wrong with labelling Stepan that way. That's what he is, even if your Ranger rose-coloured glasses can't see it that way.

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:21 am EST

Top 30 scoring center...and somehow on the Rangers thats only a 1B center.....most teams would call a top 30 scoring C a number 1 center...but such is life in the world of the NYR, only all timer all stars are considered good by all fans....and even then its kind of rocky..

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:20 am EST

Each and every season in the playoffs there are at least 4 teams who could win the cup. The 4 teams in the conference finals could all win the cup. Thats why I say I don't believe for one second that the Rangers can't win with Nash and Stepan. They went to the ECF twice with them and the SCF once, and you could make a case that if they were not so banged up, especially not he back end, that they would have gone to the STF back to back years. Also if they went to the ECF or the SCF again this season and even won it all, there would be very few people who were really all that shocked...there would be more people shocked if they don't make it to the ECF than if they do. This is a team capable of winning the cup, yes even with no Hags they can still win the cup. We shall see for sure what the team looks like as camp rolls around and pre-season moves along, but looking at what was there last year and what is there now, its not like the roster has totally changed over. Its still a very good all around roster that will be a threat to win every night.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:20 am EST

This is a great contract for the NYR. A highly tradable asset if the need should arise down the road. Stepan has superior numbers to ROR but he makes $1Mil per year less. Solid job by Gorton.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:19 am EST

That's a lotta money for a 1B center - I sure hope Stepan's career curve hasn't flattened. And now zero cap space. Surely Gorton will work to free some up...

RF4L


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:02 am EST

6 years at $6.5M per, per Larry Brooks (@NYP_Brooksie)

Gibbo


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:02 am EST

6 years @ $6.5M per

TrueBlue10


Mon Jul 27 2015 9:00 am EST

‏@NYP_Brooksie Rangers, Stepan agree 6 years $6.5M per....

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:58 am EST

Fair deal for all but Ranger fans..Gonna be hard to win a Cup with him, Nash and Brass as the three offensive leaders in the POs.....Hey, we went 54 years before, no reason we can't take another 30--35 years..!

Hospo


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:58 am EST

The Rangers played game 7 vs TB like they were a WNBA team

TradeStar28


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:56 am EST

Trade... This isn't the NBA.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:54 am EST

Step signs 10 years 70 million deal

TradeStar28


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:54 am EST

Per nyr twitter...OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with restricted free agent forward Derek Stepan on a multi-year contract.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:24 am EST

Emerson Etem Sees Extension With Rangers.... http://zziipp.eu/?u=BfhcjR

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:23 am EST

I don't doubt that Gorton has the ability to do good things, but facts are that he made extremely cautious decisions once he got in charge and it was his arse on the line. It takes something more to win in this league. Tdchi- I have seen a lot of Vic Tikhonov. He is real good. Panarin too. A lot of talent stayed in the KHL, these two are the ones who has developed best.

Ola


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:10 am EST

Per John Buccigross..... Derek Stepan? probably sees Krejci contract (he DID win Cup) (6 years/43.5) and says "that's me." They are similar

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 8:02 am EST

Kreider deal last year announced at 9:25 when he also had a 9am hearing.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 27 2015 6:59 am EST

Stevielegs....lol......TD, I hope not, Im leaning towards he had to get Sather out of there with a crow bar. When Messier left I do think it was because he wanted the coaching position, but more importantly, he might've felt he no longer had a pull with the upper management, when he didn't get it as always JMHO

WIOSA


Mon Jul 27 2015 6:42 am EST

re: PANARIN and TIKHONOV...I think the former has a far greater upside than the latter...and you're right: Both are very good signings for a cap-strapped team...but the Rangers for a while now have had a phobia against Russian players...I mentioned this a few days ago...that the last Russian to pull on a blueshirt was Artem ANISIMOV, and that was now more than three years ago...you'd have to go back to 2010-2011 to find a Ranger team with two or more Russians...since 2008-2009, the Rangers have only had six Russians suit up (FROLOV, ANTROPOV, KALININ, ZHERDEV, LISIN and Anisimov)...and half of them came in that 2008-2009 season...Over that time period(since 2008), they only drafted FIVE Russian players...that's over the course of EIGHT drafts...now perhaps this is all coincidence...that the KHL has simply drawn away a lot of the marginal Russian players who would be filling lesser roles...but I'm not sure if there's another team in the NHL that has gone three seasons without having a single Russian on their roster...A little more fuel to the fire: Sergey TOLCHINSKY came to Ranger camp and seemed like a lock to get a contract...yet somehow he ends up signing with the Canes...many around here faulted the Rangers(myself included) for not pursuing him harder...well...seems to me they might not have pursued him at all...to me, it's pretty clear someone in the organization doesn't like or trust Russian players. I don't those two the Hawks signed were ever in the Rangers' thoughts...given all this, it should also be interesting to see what happens with BUCHNEVICH.

tdchi


Mon Jul 27 2015 6:28 am EST

now let's see if Gorton can help make big mac into a Chara......should be an interesting discussion / battle with veen-idontknow......

stevielegs


Mon Jul 27 2015 6:23 am EST

OK I'll be the first in jest....FIRE GORTON!....let him go fishing....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 27 2015 6:17 am EST

Ola - Couple things...If you're looking at June as the beginning of the GORTON era, then I think you're missing a lot of what he's been doing with the organization...Gorton has been the defacto GM for years now...you're in the midst of the Gorton era and have been for a while...and while I can't pin down an exact date, I'd say the day Mark MESSIER left the organization is a likely suspect....Messier certainly saw himself in an prominent role with the team when he signed on to be Sather's "special assistant"...I suspect he was thinking he'd be GM...Not sure if anyone recalls, but Messier quietly picked up and left the organization after AV was hired...now some may think that was because he wanted the coach's position...I personally think it was because Sather told him that's all he'd get...that Gorton was his successor at GM...If you look at the work he did with the Bruins and the team he helped build in a short time over there, you can see some pretty distinct similarities with what we have in New York now...So I think if you're going to judge him now, you should at least add in the past two seasons. The only thing that happened in June was Gorton told Sather to shit or get off the pot...I'm sure he got a nice salary boost with the title...one that would have come to him in Toronto...And the other thing...if you look at Sather's tenure in New York, you see an abrupt departure from his old method of team building(sign expensive UFAs; reclamation projects) pretty much after the RICHARDS signing. Did the old dog learn a new trick? I don't think so. Think more that the new dog told him to chew on a cigar and let him do the heavy lifting.

tdchi


Mon Jul 27 2015 12:53 am EST

Hipcheck- I think both Etem and Stalberg could do well. But are they enough to win us a cup? Chicago has a helluva farm. They just won a Cup. Teams had a one time opertunity to snatch some of the best players from the KHL with the financial struggles they have had. Chicago goes all in and sign IMO the two best KHL players available, Panarin and Tikhonov. Both are really good. I'd take either over Etem any day. Both are in the Zucc/Hayes mold of UFAs. There were no rumors that we were in on either. Gorton obviously isn't prepared to make any bold moves to turn this team into a contender. He just got a GM job that is a dream for him, I think it's extremely obvious that he isn't willing to take any risks that could make people question him in order to turn this team into a contender. We just have to be prepared to watch a avg team under Gorton because he will never aim higher.

Ola


Sun Jul 26 2015 11:39 pm EST

Step's hearing appears to be at 9am in the morning. I still expect a deal to be reached before then.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 26 2015 11:13 pm EST

Stevie.... I expect he will get $7 Mil plus for a few of the UFA years he'd be giving up in a long term deal, but he wont for the 2 remaining years of RFA. He also might take a bit less for a NTC as well as getting more of his pay paid out in bonuses and paid sooner rather than later. Everyone is expecting a lockout by the end of the current CBA. Anyhoo, we'll know soon for sure.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 26 2015 11:08 pm EST

The $$ ranges that Brooks gives for RFA contract negotiations every year are always a bit wacky. If the Rangers were indeed at $6.75 and Stepan was at $7.25 Mil, I think we'd have a deal done, it's that close. Usually what end up happening is the deal agreed to is less than Brooks ranges lead us to believe. Truth be told, the NYR are always very good at keep negotiation information from leaking out and he is just basically 'guessing. For all anybody knows, the two sides could have agreed to the framework of a deal and are working out the minutia (such as a NTC, how much to be paid out each season, bonuses, etc.). I still expect a deal to be done before his hearing tomorrow, No one seems to know what time it is tomorrow, but I'm sure we'll find out in the morning.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 26 2015 11:04 pm EST

Rhet if he insists on $7 or more he's gone asap...I assume he knows that... It's the nyr cap reality...

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 10:48 pm EST

Stevie... That's not the way arbitration works. The team always offers less and the player always asks for more than were they want to end up being. The Arbitrator usually decides in the middle. Both parties expect to be be somewhere in the mid-sixes on a 1-year deal. $7.25 is also not the moon for Stepan if you look at some of the contracts out there with comparable numbers to his.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 26 2015 10:39 pm EST

As usual the nyr lowball instead the same $5.5 they gave brassard , and stepan asking for the sky . It should come in at $6 mil decision for the 1 year . If he doesn't sign by the deadline he's gone...probably before that .... January 31 or bust....;

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 10:20 pm EST

"The Post has learned the 25-year-old restricted free agent (Stepan) is going into the hearing asking for $7.25 million and the club is offering $5.2 million, both on a one-year deal. With the independent arbiter able to pick any value of his choosing — a different process than the “pick-one” used in other sports — that would leave the middle ground of $6.225 million, a seemingly reasonable evaluation. The one-year deal and manageable salary would also make Stepan easy to trade if the Rangers find themselves as sellers come the deadline."

JFC31


Sun Jul 26 2015 10:16 pm EST

mf: Whew...glad to hear it. Despite your wild trade proposals, I rather like your presence in here!

RF4L


Sun Jul 26 2015 10:13 pm EST

stevie: I saw that Carp post 2 days ago. His floating of the $8,000,000 figure is pure hype and abject negativity. Which is fine. Meanwhile, he'll ridicule (along with his minions) those who post on his blog anything negative with bullying responses like 'the sky is falling' and 'chicken little' and so on. His butt licking followers all join in. All good (because it's his blog and there's no rule about posting/not posting) but WTF is it with that $8,000,000 figure? The sky is falling there and the Carp chicken coop is full! LOL...

RF4L


Sun Jul 26 2015 9:37 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello on July 24, 2015 Hockey, New York Rangers, NHL, Rangers Report Derek Stepan and his agent, Matt Oates, and the Rangers, are to make their presentations to an arbitrator Saturday morning. The salary arbitration hearing is scheduled for Monday, and a decision is expected within 48 hours. The Rangers are hoping to avoid arbitration by getting Stepan signed long-term before the hearing, but this is not a simple or easy decision. Because of recent $7 million-plus contracts for players who arguably not as good as Stepan, it’s surely going to take something in that neighborhood, annually, to get Stepan signed. Stepan holds the cards because, whatever arbitration award he gets is going to be more than the Rangers originally hoped they’d have to spend on his next deal; and because the arbitration contract will be for one or two years (the Rangers’ decision), after which Stepan will become an unrestricted free agent. Then he will get more than $7M per. So you can be sure Stepan’s side will ask for the moon, maybe $8M per, in arbitration — why not? — and the Rangers will aim low, hoping to get a decision in the middle. But more important, the Rangers will try to get a contract done before the hearing. If Stepan goes to arbitration, and knowing what he will then demand and get on the open market next summer or the summer after that, Rangers GM Jeff Gorton will be forced to make an even more difficult decision — whether he hast to deal his 24-year-old center. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/24/clock-ticking-on-rangersstepan-contract-situation/#sthash.ilKGCM9L.eG0XFDQD.dpuf

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 7:14 pm EST

I think we should do the latter of the two especially if the kid is showing promise and we can lock him up long time by contract extension, or get a kid like this Bjugsted who is signed for 6 years @ $4.1mil per..

mf


Sun Jul 26 2015 7:08 pm EST

So, with the "Stepan Situation" ticking down, tick, tick, tick, I ask this, "is it better for The NY Rangers now and in the near future to sign & keep Stepan long term, OR,try to trade him for a younger CENTER like Bjugsted (FL), Draisaital (EDM) , Strome (ARI), Reinhart (BUF), Zibanejad (OTT), and if the trade is lopsided against us, we ask for a high pick for next season, or a prospect... Then, we add a guy like FEHR or STOLL for center depth... We'd then have 14-15 forwards so, let the bottom 5-7 battle it out for who makes the cut, and if we need to shed salary, we can always start with Tanner Glass..... RF: we're good, no worry.....

mf


Sun Jul 26 2015 6:45 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/26/9043167/new-york-rangers-analysis-the-clock-is-ticking-for-stepan-and-the

mf


Sun Jul 26 2015 6:27 pm EST

Wild,,,,ahh, okay, thanks.....OLA hard to say where Slats left off and Gorton started - so I think he should get a pass this year.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 26 2015 5:54 pm EST

With the new guys it's a wait and see . They have a new coach , system , and peer group. Usually it turns positive for them .

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 5:01 pm EST

STALBERG & ETEM both skate and have wheels. I predict they will both look a little better-than-expected in this system.

hipcheck


Sun Jul 26 2015 4:08 pm EST

I don't like Gortons start. I think he has aimed way too low. Stalberg and co. Little upside. To win in this league right now you got to get advantages, cut corners and what not. Chicago is undoubtedly winning because of those long term contracts they handed out. They save them a lot of money per season. They went out and got Panaring and Tikhonov this off season, Gorton went after Stalberg...

Ola


Sun Jul 26 2015 3:17 pm EST

Personally, I like Gorton. In his limited access to the media he seems to speak some of my language and philosophy. The three S's. I just think speed kills in the NHL today. When you add the size, you become formidable. I also think the New York Rangers job was more inviting right now. TO is a tire fire for now whereas the New York Rangers are a contender that's likely only a few pieces shy. It does say something when Shanahan wanted Gorton OVER Lou if I read that correctly. I have long suspected that Sather had been more of a a president and slowly conceding responsibility to him. And so since his arrival with the New York Rangers you have to give some consideration that this team is similar in architecture to one that he would have built exclusively. And on the counter for as much as Sather was atrocious as GM for most of his run he also is a big part of the the team that went to 3-ECF in recent years and 1-SCF. To be sure however he still has to bring cigars anytime he meets with the boss.

E


Sun Jul 26 2015 3:10 pm EST

WIOSA: Brooks reported the 6.xx per numbers 2-3 days ago, that's where those came from.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 26 2015 1:59 pm EST

Stewie: Unless Sather will be pulling puppet strings on Gorton (which I doubt will be the case) just getting Sather out of the GM spot will be an improvement!

Ranger47


Sun Jul 26 2015 1:28 pm EST

So here's my take on the Stephan arbitration.... What Step is asking for is an amount he is worth ACROSS the league. It doesn't matter how well he fits into our team or its future. Ranger management, on the other hand, has to BOTH decide his "league value" in terms of possibly signing and later trading him as well as his value "Specifically to this team" - with an eye towards keeping him EITHER short-term or long-term. The problem with him (as others have mentioned) is that he's not an ideal fit as a #1 center for this team. So, it will be interesting to see if he asks for a no-trade contract (even if it is a slightly discounted "team-friendly"one) what Ranger management decides to do.

Ranger47


Sun Jul 26 2015 1:23 pm EST

tbd

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 1:20 pm EST

Sounds like Shanny did us a favor and forced Sather to relinquish the GM position to Gorton or lose him.

Ranger47


Sun Jul 26 2015 1:16 pm EST

Jeff Gorton was the Leafs first choice for GM July 26th, 2015 9:39 am GortonBrendan Shanahan’s first choice for GM of the Maple Leafs was Jeff Gorton.(Toronto Sun) Toronto sought and was denied permission to talk with Gorton who is now the Rangers GM. Gorton was a scout for the Rangers in the final season that Leafs President Brendan Shanan played with the team.

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 12:11 pm EST

Ottawa Senators forward Alex Chiasson was awarded a one-year, $1.2 million contract by an arbitrator Sunday. Chiasson had asked for $2.475 million in his hearing on Thursday while the Sens countered with a $1 million offer. Stepan should be a tad worried about that IMO.

RF4L


Sun Jul 26 2015 11:14 am EST

Wild/Rhett....so we don't know the Rangers are offering 6, or 6.25 we are guessing that since they went into arbitration with 5.2. ?

WIOSA


Sun Jul 26 2015 9:38 am EST

Umbels should be numbers

Wildcard


Sun Jul 26 2015 9:38 am EST

WIOSA: those two umbels are from two things. One, the higher 6+ is from negotiations. The 5.2 or whatever is from arbitration. One has very little to do with the other.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 26 2015 9:16 am EST

WIOSA.... It's all about having leverage in negotiations with Stepan. Also, if the team does go to arbitration with him, on a 1-year deal they can keep negotiating on a long term deal(though it couldn't be signed until January 1st) ....Stevie.... Based on other comparable's(O'Reilly RFA deal and others), Stepan was never taking less than low $6's. IMO, The $7.5 mil ROR deal played very little into it. There was no way to keep Hagelin.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 26 2015 8:58 am EST

5.25 for arbitration but over 6 for a contract.....Brassard at 5.5 means to mean he should be at 5.5-6....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 7:38 am EST

Stevielegs, I read the NYR are offering Dereck 5.2, not 6.5. Did I miss something this morning? I think 6.25-6.5 should do the trick. Thing is, why are both Dereck and the NYR only talking a 1 year deal? Who wants to go through this again?

WIOSA


Sun Jul 26 2015 7:26 am EST

And they might have been able to fit hagelin with a 20 man roster. How much was stepan looking for before the 7 mil orielly contract? The 6-6.5 the nyr are offering is in line with their other signings . He should take the deal . But he probably won't. the arbiter will decide this one. Did nyr ask for 1 or 2 years ? My guess is $6 mil from arbiter.

stevielegs


Sun Jul 26 2015 12:47 am EST

Rangers would be sitting pretty (relatively) if they hadn't wasted 1.8 mill on crap like Stalberg and Diaz... Then again, Stalberg will probably be on the opening night 3rd line...More a talent eval problem then a Cap problem

Hospo


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:19 pm EST

The author of that piece is referencing Brooks material but not crediting him in any way. Kind of crappy.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:01 pm EST

http://isportsweb.com/2015/07/25/the-new-york-rangers-can-avoid-arbitration/

schneidw


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:34 pm EST

Upon further review, the cap hit is actually $6,750,875. That's with all the adjustments for the 22 players that are currently signed.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:15 pm EST

The NYR have roughly $6.85 million in Cap Space with 22 players signed. The team will probably run with 22 players once Step is signed so whomever doesn't make the team will serve as our buffer ($600K or more, plus whatever we save in the Stepan deal).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 25 2015 7:36 pm EST

Step will clearly fit in under the cap, which means Gorton will have gotten everyone signed, losing Hagelin in the process. Not bad. The problem will be their lack of ability to make changes due to being capped out unless he moves someone else. The Rangers are not the only team with that problem. So they go into the new season with the same team and we'll see what happens.

Bob


Sat Jul 25 2015 7:33 pm EST

6.1? Every place I look it's 6.9 give or take a few hundred K. Not sure what players they are using to get 6.1. Would guess they have all the low end players that were signed plus all the kids as well...or they are counting Yandles full cap hit and not his actual cap hit.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 6:00 pm EST

...Without a new deal for Stepan on the books, the Rangers have $6,151,000 of cap space heading into next season....?.......http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/799303

stevielegs


Sat Jul 25 2015 1:58 pm EST

E - I had a similar (but lengthier) post about faceoffs that my computer ate last night and I bailed on re-typing. Zucc (I think) even mentioned how they stress postitioning after faceoff wins and losses; they were really good last year at containing and regaining the puck after f/o losses. Where the faceoff thing really hurts us, imo, is on the power play, when teams can win it and just ice it.

LeoS


Sat Jul 25 2015 12:50 pm EST

So Step is going to come in around $6-6.4 for a couple years or a little more for 5. Not bad. Part of the core.

Bob


Sat Jul 25 2015 12:15 pm EST

Bjugstad probably could be had for Stepan + something to sweeten the deal. Which would maybe be to much for the guy. But although he is a bit of an unknown as far a ceiling and how he might perform in the playoffs he would be the perfect compliment to Brassard. Step and Brass are too similar IMO. This team needs more size and strength if we want to win the Cup. Step might be the better overall player right now but probably is not what this team needs right now to get over the hump. Same goes for the D. Too many in the same mold. Good skaters, good first pass, puck moving, etc. etc. but zero size and zero snarl. Yandle is a step in the right direction with hime being a premier offense first D-man. Now to offset and complement that we need McIlrath or a player like him. Everybody can't be a clone and that seems to be one of the issues with this teams makeup. I really hope this plays out better than it has so far. Going into camp with essentially the same team with an overpaid Stepan is a major step back IMWO. And either way it will just postpone even tougher decisions next summer. BTW is Nash still a Ranger? LOL

NYStranger


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:24 am EST

WILD.... Seriously? I was talking about the numbers Brooks had the other day, not the numbers submitted today for arbitration. Something along the lines of the NYR offering $6.5 and $6.75 million per season and Stepan seeking in the range of $7.25 to $7.5 million. I think Brooks makes up numbers every year,

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:21 am EST

anf Hltxy should be Holtby. Not even sure that was an autocorrect or somehow I typed it...

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:20 am EST

and let me clarify. The arbitration offers can affect the negotiations a little. For instance, the first two years from both sides will probably be at or about 6.25 average, the later years will be the years that have the real negotiating going on. Both sides will now know that the likely amount for 1 or 2 years will be 6.25 give or take a little. So both sides will not be silly enough to try to get more/less than that. If the Rangers try to push for a contract that makes less than that over the first couple years Stepan can sit back and make that money, if Stepan tries to get more than that , the Rangers can sit back and save. So as they try to hamer something out it will likely have an average for the first 2 years of 6.25 actual salary paid, NOT cap hit, but actual pay...than the rest will be haggled over.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:13 am EST

Rhet: they are not leaked numbers they are released numbers that go to the arbitration. And yes I think the deal ends up like you said....but once again I will say it, negotiations and arbitrations are separate and have no impact on each other. Well, not much anyway. Hltxy asked for 8 mil per from his side. for arbitration, he doest think he should get 8mil. the arbitration process should be changed, its silly the way it is. Everyone knows you spit the difference and thats what comes out 99% of the time. Hence the 6.225 mil middle ground in Stepans numbers and the likelihood of that or near that say 6.25 being the arbitrators ruling...what is even the point of the hearing? Just have both sides toss out their number and pick the halfway point between them and go with it.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:12 am EST

Schneidw: Please try to keep posts on thiswall to beingRanger related. For example, links to stephan-out-grateful-dead :)

Ranger47


Sat Jul 25 2015 11:05 am EST

Wild.... I find that the numbers leaked a few days before the hearings are usually bogus. The players asking usually isn't as high as reported and neither is the team's. I'm relatively sure that Stepan signs a long term deal between $6.5 and $6.75, but I'm not convinced the NYR have gotten up to that number yet ....TD.... Exactly the reason I wanted to sign Semin (not because I was a fan). No risk, high reward IMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:55 am EST

td: Thats why I think that Step could sign that 6 year deal that the Rangers are supposed to be offering. I don't think he wants to get an arbitrator giving him 6.2-6.25 for 2 years when he could be averaging 6.5 for those two years...well maybe a bit higher than 6.5 if the rumors are correct.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:52 am EST

Also, I think you're right about SEMIN...but at $1.1 million? I would have dipped a toe in that water. That's an easy contract to shed.

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:52 am EST

with that, a 6.25 deal could come out of arbitration if it gets that far. SO if the Rangers are offering 6.5-6.75 mil per for 6 years that may be something that makes Step sign for that deal because he loses money if he has to go under a 2 year arbitration deal for 6.25. LOTS can and probably will still happen before Monday.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:51 am EST

schneidw - Could see STEPAN taking $6.5 million...but much lower? Nope. And in truth, $6.5 million would be at a discount. I'm pretty sure an arbitrator would give him $1 million more...the contract I look at isn't Ryan O'REILLY...but David KREJCI...very similar players...and Krejci is getting $7.2 million...re: GLENCROSS - Though cap space is certainly an issue, I think the bigger one is that they really don't have space for him...he'd be a good add for third line, but they can't send LINDBERG down...and I'm pretty sure its the same thing with ETEM...they'd surely lose both to waivers...the only guy they probably could get away with burying is STALBERG...The only guy I think they may be waiting to sign is SHEPPARD...I think the fact that he hasn't signed anywhere else may mean he's waiting to see what happens with Stepan.

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:47 am EST

Rhet: Just saw that Kinda blows out the Brooks types that were talking about him getting 7.5+ in arbitration. Anyway, the mid point if my math is correct, and I am terrible at math! is 6.225

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 10:45 am EST

Stepan is asking for $ 7.25 mil and the Rangers are offering him $5.2 mil(for arbitration)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:36 am EST

HOSPO: great counterpoints. No argument here... one clarification on Stepan and home team discount.... The CORE NYRs that resigned (McDonough, Staal, Girardi, Zucc, even Lundquvist) took home team discounts so the NYRs could stay together because of the salary cap... So while I appreciate the players' 'right' to squeeze every $$$ from management, its not viable because so many NYRs are coming up for contract and because Nash/Lunquvist are overpaid... Note: Even though Lundquvist is paid so much, he could have made more $$$ as an impending UFA...he brings in top $$$ as one of the most marketable players in the NHL...that factors in... anyways, I like Stepan and hope he resigns... 5 years at $5.5M/yr.

schneidw


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:26 am EST

NYRs: I saw some posts noting that MTL signing SEMIN for $1M/year was a steal... possibly so, likely not.. he really seems to have declined immeasurable to me... his last season in WAS, it was evident he wasn't willing to pay the price in the playoffs against NYRs to produce goals... I do think the NYRs are pushing to sign C GLENCROSS but haven't announced anything because of the STEPAN arbitration... stay tuned

schneidw


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:24 am EST

TDICHI: Excellent point on the Brassard/STepan pairing and I don't disagree one bit... I was just mentioning that NYRs have cap issues and Stepan can't be paid like a #1 center... the stats suggesting he is #30 productive center in the league appear a bit skewed to me... I guess we will know soon!

schneidw


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:22 am EST

LeoS/JG: Can't really top JG's recommended version of Dark Star.... I personally think the 72/73 versions are more listenable, partly because they are more structured but also the recordings are far superior... here is one of my favorites http://www.dead.net/tags/steppin-out-grateful-dead

schneidw


Sat Jul 25 2015 9:06 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/derek-stepan/derek-stepan-contract/what-happens-during-an-arbitration-hearing/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:48 am EST

..and I must add that the New York Rangers have one of the most sophisticated set plays off of the face off that I've seen or at least observed. They are prepared for losing the face off in the defensive zone well. That doesn't exonerate any weakness in the circle because the New York Rangers strength in the crease for a contender is deplorable.

E


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:45 am EST

Wildcard - You wouldn't even get that offer on the table before the Panthers would take it. I've always like BJUGSTAD and TBH, he's the mold of center many seem to want around here...but there's no evidence yet that he'll be the caliber of center Stepan is right now...I personally think he will(BTW - I wanted the Rangers to draft him instead of McILRATH, but I digress)...but if you're Florida and you want to vastly improve your team, you make that deal in a hurry...that would be a cheap price to pay for someone like Step.

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:40 am EST

RF4L - While I could see the racism stuff playing out at the junior level, the thought that it's impacting decisions at the NHL level is ridiculous. It's all money at the professional level, and I don't care if an owner has the Stars and Bars hanging over the rink, he's going to draft the player he thinks will give his organization the best chance at winning a cup...as for your points on DUCLAIR, I largely agree on both: That the Yotes wanted him and the Rangers saw him as expendable due to the progress of BUCHNEVICH and TAMBELLINI...but like I said, I think the decision making on the Rangers' side had most to do with their perception of Duke's attitude and/or maturity...and they didn't see it as something they wanted on the team

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:37 am EST

Speaking of moof...where is he? Mf - I was kidding about the Crosby trade dude!

RF4L


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:36 am EST

td: add to that Hayes will be hitting his full stride over the next couple seasons, if we are lucky Lindberg will as well and a kid will develop and be NHL ready that will allow the Rangers to move a C if they want and it will be a move from A position of strength. That will allow them to improve someplace else. Or they can move a C to wing and move a wing. Keeping Step is a good thing for now and the future. Now if Florida calls and says they want to trade Bujstad (or however you spell his name) straight up for Step you may do that, big kid with skill, but there is about a 1% chance they even think about doing that so you keep Step.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:33 am EST

re: the YANDLE trade: Take DUCLAIR or the first rounder out of that deal and Yandle isn't a Ranger. Those two pieces got him here...the Coyotes watched the WJCS like everyone else and saw how dynamic DOMI and Duke were(of course, they don't have Curtis LAZAR)...and I'm sure that was a critical point in getting the deal done...frankly, I'm not sure if the Rangers had offered BUCHNEVICH or TAMBELLINI that they would have bitten...The second rounder and MOORE had to do with the Rangers' cap situation...If the Rangers kept all that salary, they would have kept the second rounder...Moore was essentially a throw in to relieve a little more cap, because he wasn't gonna play another game with Yandle in the lineup...So in a sense, the deal was Duke and a 1st for Yandle...and when it breaks down that way, I think the Yotes ultimately overpaid for Duke in the hope they have a dynamic line with him and Domi.

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:20 am EST

schneidw - Simple: You keep both BRASSARD and STEPAN...look, the wall has collectively groaned for years over the Rangers' weakness up the middle. We're only a few years removed from the time where we had to rely on horrible UFA signings like DRURY and GOMEZ to plug an organizational deficit...and then when that failed, rely on a retread like Crusher CHRISTENSEN...then we looked like we were turning the corner with the emergence of DUBINSKY and ANISIMOV...and in truth, Dubinsky was kind of the mold some seem to want here...but neither player could fall in line with what the organization really needed, which was a pivot who could distribute the puck to top-talented wingers...now I never liked the NASH trade, but one of its side effects was to finally give us the one-two punch we so desperately needed up the middle...We have Step, who has simply phenomenal vision on the ice and can thread passes very well down low...and we have Brass, who has real slick hands and can navigate through traffic...both mesh very well with the Rangers' top wingers...why upset that? You move either one of them and you're going to have to rely on MILLER or HAYES to fill that gap...bottom line is the team gets weaker. A lot weaker. The alternative is you move Step or Brass FOR the quintessential top-line center...but who are you going to end up with? Well, cruising through the available ones out there...and there aren't many...you'll probably get Eric STAAL...who makes over $8 million and has a habit of disappearing for long stretches in the season...so given these choices, I'd much rather stay where we are, which is having a perfect 1-2 punch up the middle with two centers who are 25 and 27 respectively and still have an awful lot of hockey left in them...and if my hunch is correct, the Ranger management agrees with me here.

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 8:10 am EST

Bob/Rhetoric - Totally agree, re: STEPAN. The faceoff thing does bother me too. And that was one of the reasons I liked MILLER on his line. Step is a very creative player, a hard worker and has a trajectory moving in the right direction. Pay the man. I think fans, though, sometimes fall in love with this notion of having a beast in the middle...they want it all: A guy who is going to win draws, charge to the net and drop the mitts. Step doesn't fit that mold, so therefore he's a secondary center, even though on most teams he'd be first-string.

tdchi


Sat Jul 25 2015 6:44 am EST

Given the market, 6.25 for 5 years is a reasonable accommodation for Stephan with some wiggle room for a future trade.

gene_carr


Sat Jul 25 2015 6:12 am EST

...the substitution should be filled by a top 6 forward, preferably a power forward.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 25 2015 6:11 am EST

How about virtually the same team that won the Presidents and came within a few injuries of the ECF, with the substitution of an aging winger, and the addition of a bruising stay-a-home Dman.? The unfortunate loss of an important part of our PK unit, will have to be filled by one of our existing youngsters. Will that work? Of course there is the daunting task of figuring out how we acquire the two - and how we pay for them....but I leave that to greater hockey minds :)

WIOSA


Fri Jul 24 2015 8:40 pm EST

Stepan and NYR present their numbers to arbitrator tomorrow morning .....Stevie.... Fans need to let stuff go. The White Sox went 88 years between wins, the Cubs have gone 107 years since they last won a World Series. It can always be worse.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:47 pm EST

Younger, bigger, tougher. Smarter, more experienced, primed.

hipcheck


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:38 pm EST

Need more intangibles ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:38 pm EST

The nyr need a new fan base of youngsters that know nothing about from 1940 to the dark years .... And instead of firing the team fire another coach and gm... Spin the revolving door.... Put trader moof in charge...the new version of trader Phil .....then again let the guys in charge do their jobs and hope they don't make too many mistakes....don't worry be happy....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:15 pm EST

Trade them all...

E


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:02 pm EST

Nick, just poking fun at us, I happen to dislike Kreider immeasurably, and Im not too fond of Av's dislike of physical retaliation...so I don't exclude myself.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 24 2015 6:35 pm EST

Semin for 1-year, $1.1 mil, IMO would've been the perfect low risk, high reward type of signing for us(solid replacement for MSL). Smart move by the Habs. Could've been a stop-gap player for us to get to Buchnevich next season. Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 24 2015 6:31 pm EST

Hey LeoS, Here is a D Star for you only 29:41 in length. Only in NY NY! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpBR3VpAg3E

Jerry_Garcia


Fri Jul 24 2015 6:29 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Both decent 1B/2 centers..good passers... Step the better all around player..But BRASSARD has the advantage in two key areas ..Stepan SUCKS at FOs...and BRASS is more clutch in SCORING GOALS when it comes to the POs...Since regulars season means little, i'd go with BRASS and trade STEP( but the opposite wouln't be much different)

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 6:28 pm EST

Wiosa, I hear your voice, but every fan base in the league is similar. And I'm as bad as the next. Geez, the HAWKS fans have been bitching out Stan Bowman. Three Cups in five years with multiple cap-hell issues over that span! Also not every NYR fan thinks all the things you list. I only think a few of them, like on Hank, and Jan Erixon ... er, Rick Nash.

Nick


Fri Jul 24 2015 5:55 pm EST

RF4L... Obviously, the reason he is ranked 32nd is because he only played 68 games. As far as points-per-game goes, Derek Stepan was ranked 33rd overall(all players), tied with Toews and Kopitar (tied for 16th overall among centers). When you compare linemates, it's even more impressive.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 24 2015 5:50 pm EST

POLL QUESTION: If you can only keep one... Who do you prefer BRASSARD OR STEPAN?? Why?

schneidw


Fri Jul 24 2015 5:48 pm EST

STEP: Yeah, I agree w you guys...I am biased to some degree with my frustration with the NYRs overall and for some good reasons (at least to me) I think he is not worth more than $5.5M/yr.... but with that stated, I won't mind whatsoever if he resigns.. he is still young and developing and I may very well be proven wrong by Stepan... As I stated, I just don't think he deserved more $$$$ that Brassard...

schneidw


Fri Jul 24 2015 5:32 pm EST

Nash sucks, Stepan isn't worth the money, Yandle is a joke and we never should've traded Duclair, Miller is a dummy, Hayes is a huge question mark, Hank is way overrated, Klein only had one good year and is not good enough, Girardi makes too many errors, Boyle is a joke,..Hags was no big loss, Staal is not as good as he used to be, McDonagh plays the boards too much, Moore is ok, Glass is a waste of life,....How the hell did we ever win the Presidents with this bunch of losers? Let's not even start on the wimpy coach....geesh.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 24 2015 4:43 pm EST

32nd in scoring for NHL centers when you're supposed to be the number 1 center isn't exactly something Stepan's agent shoud be boasting about during negotiations with the Rangers IMOO. I mean, geeesh. 32nd? On the president's trophy team that was 3rd overall in scoring? Yikes!

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 4:06 pm EST

Leo all we need is to keep the opposition from firing off those slow, low 'screened' backhanders in critical PO games, and Hank will be the man. :-). As for the Nasher, it just occurred to me, as a lifelong Dodgers fan: Clayton Kershaw. Now, CK is relatively better than Nash in his sport, but same problem: he FLAT OUT SUCKS when it matters most. And it's a pattern. Right now he's untouchable. Yay! But you know what? Talk to me in October, CK.

Nick


Fri Jul 24 2015 3:21 pm EST

Hospo - being well out of high school I no longer take offense to other people not sharing my musical tastes...can't imagine how you'd hold up during a 35-40-minute GD Dark Star...bet you'd LOVE Phish lyrics, though, with such gems as "the tires are the things on your car that make contact with the road" (that one was particularly popular with my kids in their pre-school days)...but those boys can sure play. And if anyone's wondering what that faint noise in the distance is, it's the distant wail of a long-term former Wallster crying out "OFF-TOPIC!!!!"

LeoS


Fri Jul 24 2015 3:12 pm EST

I'd be more then happy for Nash to prove me wrong and actually show some playoff offensive domination. And where I've been getting on him isn't so much the production as the (perceived) effort, as E just referenced. I'd be first in line for a week of the crow recipes I know mf has stockpiled. To flip the scenario - Wild and others - how would you feel if Lundqvist had his usual strong regular seasons but could be 'counted upon' to allow 2-4 softies per playoff series? Nick, you may recuse yourself from this one, take a called strike as it were ;)

LeoS


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:43 pm EST

SCHNEId I think that Nash is a great hockey player. Call it elite or whatever he can flat out play. And when the guy isn't scoring or when he goes cold he can play in all situations and creates an impact in all three zones. But he continues to play safe in the playoffs, make smart plays but never looks to take chances like an elite goal scorer will do. I think the New York Rangers defense is well equipped to be taken into semi broken odd-man breakouts because he chooses to drive the net as he so often does in the regular season where he looks for a defenseman to make that ill timed crossover and he'll get that jump lower his shoulder, protect the puck and drive the net. How many times in the playoffs have you seen this guy get that rush and for whatever reason not feel it, drop the puck in behind the net and peal off to cover the boards. Then you feed it to him and he one times it right into the goalie low so his teammates can dig away at the puck. It's the kind of play that you applaud a 3rd liner for, as they use just smart puck management and forechecking while covering the exit lanes. But you are Rick "Friggin" Nash. You flat out have some of the sickest moves in the NHL. You can dangle the crap out of the puck. You are impossible to bump off of the puck. Use it for fux sake. I will always love the way that Nash plays. I thi he is a textbook positional hockey player. I could make training videos on the guy for how to play the game positionally. But he's got to carry more of the offense. If not? Frankly, I don't think the New York Rangers need a max contract checking forward. I keep waiting for him to become more like Hossa who never lived up to the hype in the playoffs. Till one day when it all came together finally.

E


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:25 pm EST

schneidw: yeah....you can look at Step that way...and also say he had 44 points in the 48 game season. And 55 last season in just 68 games due to that broken leg. He had almost as many points last season as the 82 game season the season before (57) also last season he was 32nd in scoring among centers(tied in points with 30th), if he had not gotten hurt he would have been top 30, if not top 20, perhaps even top 15 (only 11 points out of the top 15) so if he had played 14 more games, heck 10 more games he would have been close to the top 15 points wise. To say he isn't worth the same amount at the rest of the top 15-20 centers is just being crazy.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:24 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - It really seems to me like your trying to have it both ways with NASH and STEP...Crucifying one while quasi glorifing the other for the same production, impact, and limitations in the POs..

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:20 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - I don't think we disagree....I'm not a huge fan of STEP game/approach but he's a solid two way player..When I say he deserves 6-7 mill, it's all based on the market and what other players are getting in the same scenario..Where we disagree is STEP's devotion to the team being questioned..To me it's just business and him trying to get what the RANGERS/SATHER PROMISED HIM during the last negotiations...And this "home town discount" means didley to me. it's what these players do on the ice for their teamates that matters,.

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:17 pm EST

NASH: I thought NASH really proved himself last year and showed he is an elite NHL player... Of course we wanted more in the playoffs and at times, he fell into his old bad habits of avoiding the crowded tight spots in front of the net but I think the NYRs failures were more linked to injuries, St Louis disappearing act, and lack of grit and size on the front lines overall that has been their downfall the past many years... its a fact the NHL referees simply let more interference and clutch-grab tactics prevail in the playoffs which really slow down the NYRs forecheck because they are too small to fight through it.... It was no surprise that Glass all of a sudden became effective in the playoffs after sucking during the regular season... he style of play works in the playoffs... the NYRs need more of it IMHO and should trade Stepan to acquire it!!

schneidw


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:11 pm EST

M FRED/HOSPO: I fall into their camp that STEPAN is NOT worth more than $5.5M/year... Stepan has played 5 full seasons with the NYRs and has consistently put up 17 goals and 51 points per year.... To me, these are average numbers given he has played first line minutes and power play time... I like Stepan because he is solid on defense and is a product of USA.. but to me, he is NOT worth overpaying... Just about every NYR player has taken a home town discount to resign with the NYRs and for some reason, Stepan always seems to be about $$$$ first over team commitment which to me is very telling... It will be interesting to see how this plays out....

schneidw


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:08 pm EST

Holtby: 5 years 6.1 per. Rumors were he wanted 6.5 per, and of course his arbitration offer was 8 per.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:08 pm EST

Hospo: I pointed to Kilorn due to some of the love the guy got on this wall post Rangers exit. People talked like he was so great, so I just used him as an example

Wildcard


Fri Jul 24 2015 2:04 pm EST

WILD - Why are you even comparing NASH with some lower level player like Killorn?..Agree that STAMKOS did not have a good PO either..Has another like that, he will be hearing it also.......I don't hate NASH at all, I want him to bust out and lead the Rangers offensively in the POs, and called for it the last two years...But it just doesn't happen..He doesn';t suck, he contributes, but for what he 's getting paid and, more importantly, what he's counted on to do, he and his game just fall too far short in the POs...JMWO..

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 1:54 pm EST

For all the Nash disappears stuff, dose everyone realize that Nash had a better points per game production than both Stamkos and Kilorn of TBL did? I know I will now get the "but its when and how he got his points" stuff, but still, the guy is a threat to score even int he playoffs now. But I have said it before, he could help the Rangers go 16-0 in the post season and have 25 goals, and there would be those who would argue that not all the games were blowouts because Nash sucks.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 24 2015 1:29 pm EST

LeoS - True, but still appropriate...Besides, and no offense, just reading the Dead's lyrics puts me to sleep.:)

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 1:11 pm EST

I dunno, Hospo, that's a little too Hard Rock for The Marshmallow and the Milquetoast. Not that I really mean those nicknames, but it was fun to write!

LeoS


Fri Jul 24 2015 12:41 pm EST

Wild: Yeah that could be. Either way for me Duclair or the 1st is bad cap and asset management. It's why I keep harping on about leaving some room so you don't give away assets like that. Yes, I realize other teams do it, but 1) that doesn't make it smart and 2) it's only acceptable (IMO) if you win the cup.

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 12:34 pm EST

LeoS - I always thought it was "I don't know but I been told, a big-legged woman ain't got no soul." ......which makes NASH (and Step) the Rangers big legged woman!

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 11:59 am EST

Gibbo - exactly :) TD and Nick have touched upon the big Nasher issue (and York nailed this from Day One) - what good is it to have a regular season scoring threat who consistently vanishes come April? It puts an unreasonable (or unrealistic) burden on the rest of the squad come playoff time "I don't know but I've been told if the horse don't pull you've got to carry the load. I don't know whose back is that strong, maybe find out before too long." to continue w/the GD quotes.

LeoS


Fri Jul 24 2015 11:29 am EST

LeoS - walking in the tall trees?

Gibbo


Fri Jul 24 2015 11:18 am EST

[For Deadheads only] Every time Rhet posts SSDD I wind up with Sugar Magnolia stuck in my head the rest of the day...

LeoS


Fri Jul 24 2015 11:17 am EST

Alexander Semin is making less than Tanner Glass this season.

Bob


Fri Jul 24 2015 11:02 am EST

Stepan has been chronically underrated all over, here included. The guy is a reliable, creative center who should soon hit 70 or 80 points. There are just not that many of those guys around. That's why he is going to get paid. His game has grown steadily, and this year included his being clutch in the playoffs. The only gripe I have with his is face offs, and he can surely get better at them. If you deal him, you had better get a ton back unless you believe that Kevin Hayes is Joe Thornton Jr. If I had the choice of who to spend the big bucks on between Stepan and Nash, I would choose Stepan. Just MHO, of course.

Bob


Fri Jul 24 2015 10:48 am EST

NICK - I'm with ya on NASH and the Rangers not winning with him (although throwing him away is foolish!) but then you want to repeat the same thing with the VERY VERY similar PO game (production and relative softness) of STEP? Not me.... The Rangers will continue to be a good team with these two..but will never win it all..

Hospo


Fri Jul 24 2015 10:39 am EST

looks like Semin to the Habs

Wildcard


Fri Jul 24 2015 10:35 am EST

RF4L: I read someplace, an article from Arizona that made it sound like by picking up salary they added a first rounder. Perhaps Duclair was part of the deal and the 1st was added to get the salary taken back. It wasn't written that bluntly, but thats the way it sounded. no way to know for sure, maybe if it was the first and Duclair OVDER another prospect that got the salary taken back by them, and a different kid with a lower pick like a 2nd would have gone instead if they had the cap room. Lots of possibilities, but that one article made me think that perhaps the Duclair part of it was the focus of Arizona from the start.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 24 2015 10:23 am EST

hip: And I'll bet if the Rangers could have taken all of Yandle's cap hit Duclair would still be a Ranger. That's why I think it's imperative Gorton ensures he leaves some cap room when he finalizes the roster (for the beginning of the season).

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 9:43 am EST

Trading DUCLAIR will absolutely come back to bite this franchise in the ass. DUCLAIR has insane speed and offensive creativity. This kid made the Garden crowd gasp, and hold their breath every time he went streaking toward the net. Put this on my record, dynamic player, bright future, big mistake letting him go.

hipcheck


Fri Jul 24 2015 9:42 am EST

Sign Stepan at seven for seven. It's the going rate. In three years it will look like a relative bargain. The big issue for me is wasting $8 million a year on Rick "Yeah But He Plays Good Defense in the Playoffs" Nash. Ship him, anywhere, for anything. We'll still make the post-season and he's useless then anyway.

Nick


Fri Jul 24 2015 8:47 am EST

RF4L, youre too logical. It's all that Canadian education sh*t. Im telling you we have the heebee jebbees cursed on us. LOL....In all seriousness, I think we were good enough last year. I said in the beginning of the season that I felt the Hawks were the best team in the NHL. As the season progressed and our younger players contributed I felt we were. I truly believe - we could've beaten the Hawks. That said, I too think for this season, we need to be better and we are indeed missing that one power forward, or top 6 as you say. We need someone in front of that net for rebounds. Wouldn't hurt if he could win face offs...but, we won the presidents with the second worse fo unit in the league,...so Ill take the top 6 forward.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 24 2015 8:26 am EST

WIOSA: We haven't won the cup because (how's this for brilliance) because the team isn't good enough. IMO, we are lacking another top 6 forward. Trading Stepan won't help that issue, of course. But paying Stepan too much means you risk having no cap room to address that gap. Oh, so complicated.

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:58 am EST

HOSPO, I agree with you most of the time. This time I don't. With a team sport I can think of only ONE player, or position that would be able to sink the entire team...and that is goalie. You can win a cup with a decent goalie, but not a sucky one. IMHO. That said, I don't think either of the players you named are bad. I think Stepan is coming into his own - no Ovechkin - and probably never will be, but, I do point out that Stepan has taken his team further than the 9.5 million dollar Ovechkin has. Of course, as stated before, it's a team sport. Nash is a favorite of mine,,,he's good, and a keeper. Why haven't we won a cup ? It's obvious....We're cursed! LGR

WIOSA


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:35 am EST

Oops...meant to add that your point about Sather not giving up on skilled guys too early is valid. But Duclair is only 19 - that's really early. It just could be because 1) Phoenix wouldn't make the deal without him and 2) with Buch and Tambelllini the Rangers might have figured they could afford to let him go. We'll see soon enough, perhaps starting as early as this fall.

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:34 am EST

TD: Duclair dropped because of his colour - don't think so. Malcolm Subban went first round a few years ago. Ho-Sang dropped because he's a head case. Darnell Nurse went 7th overall 2 years ago. Maybe I'm being naïve here, but I don't see colour being a barrier at all - it's skill and character that counts.

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:30 am EST

Hospo: I concur signing Stepan a fat long term deal is the wrong way to go. If they do, the only way out is a bunch of big jumps in the cap ceiling, which isn't likely to happen. IMO if that's the only deal he'll accept then he should be traded.

RF4L


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:28 am EST

On STEPAN - Agreed, $7 million-plus is a lot to pay for a center of his ilk...and I continue to wonder what teams are thinking signing guys like KREJCI and O'REILLY to such deals...but I suppose that's the market...what gets me is this notion here that Step is somehow a second-class center who is soft and generally useless...The guy has passing skills that other teams DROOL over...is he going to crash the net with reckless abandon? No...but soft? Hell no. He works the boards just fine and TBH, he's gotten a lot better at draws...probably will never be great, but last season he held his own pretty well toward the end...the other thing on Step is that he's maturing as a player and in ways that are very becoming of a top line center...in other words, he's got more to bring to the table...he had two less points last year in 14 less games than the previous season. I say this all the time here, but what you really want in a player in his early 20s is one who shows upward mobility at every level he plays...Step is one of those guys...he just keeps getting better...Would I sign him for seven years? Hell yeah. I'd much rather that than a $7 million arbitration award and then have to go through this BS next season again...he'll be worth that money at some point in his contract, whether its next season or the season after...The other thing I simply don't get is the proclamations here...'if the Rangers get/sign X player, they'll NEVER win the cup.' Guys, it's a team sport. One player does not make or break a team. There's always five others on the ice with him...and re: KOPITAR...heh...if y'all are sour on Step getting $7 million, just you wait and see what Kopes is going to ask for. Here's a hint: It's gonna be Crosby-type money...guaranteed.

tdchi


Fri Jul 24 2015 7:19 am EST

RF4L - re: DUCLAIR, that was my point....I know some on the fringes were saying it was all about Duke being black...why he dropped so far...that he and guys like HO-SANG have top-rated talent, but just can't break through this so-called color barrier...I don't buy it, personally. And admittedly, my thoughts on him are PURE speculation...rooted in deductive reasoning...but 100 percent speculative...I just don't think this administration would've given away a top-tier talent if they thought he had any future with the Rangers...With the all criticism due Sather...if there's one thing that's held true for him is that he hasn't cut loose too many guys he drafted who have gone on to great success...in fact, the only ones I can think of that he traded away and at least continued the success they had as Rangers are DUBINSKY, ANISIMOV and KORPIKOSKI...maybe WEISE...but in all four cases, none have exceeded expectations...just sort of held their own...Sather --and by extension, Gorton --doesn't tend to give up on players unless he's pretty sure they're going nowhere(see: JESSIMAN, SANGUINETTI, THOMAS, WEREK, CLICHE, and the list goes on). We'll see what Duke does in the desert, but I suspect we're all going to be underwhelmed with what he brings.

tdchi


Thu Jul 23 2015 11:33 pm EST

The veenyo era is not blacknblue. Unless Gorton fisherman is going to hire a new coach , he will give him the type of players he wants for his system. And stepan is one of them. Unless they can't afford him . I disagree with veenyo , I hope he proves me wrong ..sing ....whistle to whistle while you work....Big Mac could add the heart if veenyo lets him or is forced to by Gorton and the genius ...now sing... See you in September ...

stevielegs


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:52 pm EST

Rangers---Please do not sign Stepan to a long time contract...please.............not a bad player at all, worth the 6-7 mill from the market, ....but if he and NASH are the top two forwards leaders (TOI or whatever)...and soaking up 14 mill a year.this team does not have a Stanley cup in it's future...Just an opinion from the cheapest seats.even if i'm misjudging these players, I'd still .Love to see the Rangers somehow find a big forward with heart that could help lead the forwards

Hospo


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:05 pm EST

E no grit.....weak on the puck, faceoffs, just not my cup of tea. Brassard on the other hand has the qualities to move us forward. Kopitar is my idea of a $7m C that's a winner.

MelvilleFred


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:02 pm EST

Rhett Im beginning to feel the same way...I wish Sather would just go. I felt that Gorton was 'his own man' and would tell Sather, in a very nice way of course, to f&^k off. It doesn't appear he will. Really we need a breath of fresh air. Hell.....if were going to stay old school...bring back Smith.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 23 2015 8:51 pm EST

SSDD with Gorton/NYR and insert RFA name here. They may even go right up until the hearing. Using the press like this is SOP for Sather/Gorton.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 23 2015 8:49 pm EST

The Rangers and Derek Stepan are talking about a multi-year contract with the Rangers believed to be interested in a six-year deal worth between $6.5 and $6.75 million per season. (NY Post) Stepan is believed to be seeking “at least seven years” and in the range of $7.25 to $7.5 million. (NY Post) At this point it seems as if Stepan will head to arbitration on Monday and the Rangers will have to decide if they want to elect a one-year or two-year award. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 23 2015 8:35 pm EST

For arguments sake, what makes him a loser? Is there something in particular: if you wanna broom out a 70-point or so center and replace him with what? Is he addition by subtraction? I don't understand. If you had Stepan at 5 that would be awesome but the league market value has been set. Would you give another guy who you think is a winner but matches his numbers more money?

E


Thu Jul 23 2015 6:02 pm EST

E......$5m is fine for Stepan. If he gets more get him out of town. I believe he is not a winner

MelvilleFred


Thu Jul 23 2015 5:20 pm EST

Sather would tell you go back to his cups in Edmonton....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 23 2015 5:13 pm EST

Stevie.... i was only comparing the last 15 seasons between the two GM's(the length of Sather's tenure in NY). The Devils have only won 1 cup in the last 15 seasons. They won the other two in 1995 and 2000(which was the year before Sather came here).

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 23 2015 5:02 pm EST

rhet 3 cups

stevielegs


Thu Jul 23 2015 4:11 pm EST

That's a total of 15 seasons for each GM (including the strike year).

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 23 2015 4:09 pm EST

Let's see.... During Lou Lamoriello's last 16 years as GM, the Devils had 590 wins, went to the playoffs 10 times, the finals 3 times and Won a Stanley Cup.... During Glen Sather's last 16 years as GM with the NYR, they won 556 games, went to the playoffs 9 times, the finals just once and won zero cups.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 23 2015 3:41 pm EST

lemon lou is a smart businessman, something shanahandjob hasn't a clue about....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 23 2015 12:33 pm EST

Some of the Leaf fan venting over the LL hiring is hilarious. Here's a few: 'I give LL 5 years...to live'. 'Shanahan enticed Babock and LL to Toronto with the promise of having every April and May off'. 'I think they signed him to a FORE year deal.' 'At least now Cliff Fletcher has a wingman at Sunday afternoon bingo'. 'Lou's plan for the leafs. Acquire jagr and Scott gomez and convince Scott Stevens/neidermeyer and Ken danyeko out of retirement. Trade all young assets for players that are at least 35 years old, preferably older for more experience. If you were good in the 90s. Lou wants you. That way we can have the same aging team with no prospects like the devils.' LOLOLOL...............

RF4L


Thu Jul 23 2015 12:20 pm EST

Oh yeah - another failing of LL's lately: Over inflated contracts for average players.

RF4L


Thu Jul 23 2015 12:18 pm EST

FWIW, I'm not sure how to take the LL hiring. He's got a fabulous resume overall of course, but what has he done in past several years, save for what I think was a flukey run 3 years ago to the cup finals? Under his watch lately, the Devils have mismanaged their pending UFAs, been mediocre, at best, at the draft table and refuse (from where I sit) to move away from an antiquated check/check/check style that worked well 10+ years ago, but isn't so effective now. I am wondering just how impactful LL will actually be, especially given Shanahan's growing large presence and having a coach he cannot fire. Maybe his biggest responsibility will be helping instill a culture of commitment and loyalty, something that I think can be said about how he oversaw the Devils.

RF4L


Thu Jul 23 2015 10:40 am EST

Rangerlou, lol..that should do it......RF4L.. I agree Ducs race probably had zilch to do with anything , but I do think hes cocky to the point of arrogant and Slats knew this and wanted to deal him Keeping him up here increased his trade value so I give Slats that.....as for Lou I saw it coming I just knew he did not voluntarily leave the GM position with the Devs. When I saw him sitting at the Head of the draft table I laughed. They just fired his numero 1 guy I knew hed be looking to move. I am surprised it was the Leafs

WIOSA


Thu Jul 23 2015 10:05 am EST

Lou Lams has more lives than a cat with a split personality

rangerlou


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:44 am EST

Wiosa........ Sorry bud!!!!! Im going to church afer work. And dip myself in HOLY WATER!!

rangerlou


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:43 am EST

guess that's why he hired shero....now Sather can go somewhere too I hope.... AGrossRecord Lot of "wow" factor in this one. Lou Lamoriello steps down as Devils president to become Maple Leafs GM and to work with Shanny again.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:15 am EST

Wow, Fat Lou is now the Leaf GM. Who saw that coming??

RF4L


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:15 am EST

TD: Duclair's drop in the draft had zero to do with his colour and all to do with his attitude and no doubt it's that attitude issue that resulted in him being disciplined last year (after he was returned to junior). All that said, I think what you say about the Rangers keeping him in the NHL because they were worried about him slipping once back in junior has some merit, but at the same time, it's pure conjecture.

RF4L


Thu Jul 23 2015 9:11 am EST

mf: OK dude, OK! I do stand by my thoughts however: That trade, as you lay it out, isn't gonna happen. Moreover, the Leafs aren't about to eat salary for either Bozak or JVR (or both) - they have reasonable contracts and if the Rangers will only take either (or both) if the Leafs eat some salary, the Leafs will find other more willing trade partners. Pass the bong!

RF4L


Thu Jul 23 2015 7:47 am EST

RF4L... In response, here's what I think would be fair return for Stepan from the teams you mentioned: NASHVILLE - Stepan for Colin Wilson, Kevin Fiala, Pontus Aberg, 1st Rounder. CALGARY - Stepan for Sam Bennett, Morgan Klimchuck, 2nd Rounder. EDMONTON - Stepan for Nail Yakupov, Leon Draisatl, 1st Rounder. WINNIPEG - Stepan for Mathieu Perrault, Nikolaj Ehlers, Scott Kosmachuk, 1st Rounder. Maybe I'm over-valuing Stepan, but I just don't think I am.

evets1980


Wed Jul 22 2015 11:09 pm EST

evets1980 - Two things...first, I think DOMI is about as untouchable as the come in the Yotes organization...the only guys who are probably more so are STROME(as much as I hate to admit it) and EKMAN-LARSSON...Since Domi reached juniors, his stock has risen and risen...I remember scouts at first saying he might go as high as second round...then it was late first...then it was top 15...On draft day, some were picking him to go as high as seventh or eighth overall...pan to these past couple years...he was an absolute BEAST in the WJCS...and I think a lot of the reason they went after DUCLAIR was because they saw the chemistry those two had together....which brings me to my second point: DUKE...Just a hunch on this...no inside info...never read it anywhere...but I suspect the Rangers' decision to trade him was an easy one...I have a feeling the organization soured on the kid pretty fast last season...I always thought the decision to keep him in New York was a bit strange...was something the Rangers might have done a decade ago...but under a coach like AV coming off a trip to the cup finals? Duke had a really good camp, but so did Ryan HAGGERTY. So did a lot of kids...His speed stood out, but so many times he looked like a 19-year-old kid playing with men...too small to play on the bottom two...too green to play on the top two...and really the only reason he had a spot on the lineup was because of the STEPAN injury(and MILLER'S inability to impress out of the gate)...but really, there were better options than Duke...and as the weeks progressed into months, the kid just looked more and more lost...and yet they kept him almost right up until the WJCS...even then, if I recall, they didn't make the decision to send him back to juniors until after the gold medal game...Why? Well, perhaps they saw flaws in the kid's game that weren't getting corrected at the junior level...or worse, perhaps they saw flaws in his character or attitude that were getting more glaring...maybe keeping him in New York with older players was a last-ditch effort to instill maturity...Whatever the story was, I found it highly suspect that he returns to juniors and promptly gets benched for several games. Anyway, this is a round-about way of saying I don't think the Rangers would trade for Duclair...and I think if you asked people in the organization, they'd be happy with what they got for him...the other piece of anecdotal evidence here is how far a kid of his obvious talent dropped in the draft. There's something about him that teams didn't like...and I know someone will point to his color...but I just don't think that's the whole story.

tdchi


Wed Jul 22 2015 10:52 pm EST

RF: Re: your posts of 8:48 & 8:50 this morning…… Like, yeah man, I was just floating some fantasy stuff maannn….Like pass the morning ganja man… and uhh, yeah maan, I can’t add up JVR’s & Bozaks cap hit and realize it comes to $8,450,000 which is exactly STEPAN @ $7mill, and Tanner the window washer Glass @ $1,450,000…. Step up and claim your autographed Sathersaurus Cuban Cigar…….. IMFHO, Toronto will gladly eat one mill is salary for “some period of time to dump those salaries & in return get Stepan and (TDCHI) “”something more,”” and you can keep the damn prospects cause last I heard we’re trying to win a cup now, and next year, and the one after… Prospects aren’t winning us a cup this year, we have enough prospects on our roster…. If I’m Toronto, and I can sign STEPAN to a $7mill 7 year deal to build for the future and replace the 30 year old Bozak, I’m doing it.. Yup, JVR is going to be a casualty of their mismanagement in this scenario, but the Rangers will have to pony up a “”little inducer”” to make it work… AND, I don’t buy the fact that no two teams in the same division can engage in a trade… If there’s a mutual benefit, both sides will listen, it’s a business….While all this may be going on, I’m sure as shit that Toronto has their collective ears to the ground for any interest in Phaneuf and his 7yr $7mill remaining albatross……....Once this Stepan distraction unfolds, I can really see Coach Vichyssoise adamantly digging in his heals Proclaiming how we need Tanner Glass, his 6 point contribution, and his puck possession prowess which is akin to controlling a live grenade…… Glass will be gone like a fart in a hurricane if we need the cap room….. Get him the phuck out of here and sign the 4.5 years younger, 3 x the point producer, faster, $250K less expensive SHEPPARD…… I could certainly live with Stepan & Glass gone in return for JVR & Bozak.. Toronto wants a prospect off the farm, terrific, isolate our top 3 or 4 untouchables and let them pick over they want…… “”IF”” this so called Fantasy panned out, we’d have in no particular order: Forwards: Nash, BRASSARD, MZA….. JVR, Bozak, Miller, …. Kreider, Hayes, Fast,….. Sheppard,Moore,Eatme,Stalberg…. Defensemen: MCDonuts, Girardi, Staal, Boyle, Yankle, Klein, Diaz, McIlrath….. I could go into battle with that squad……. End of obnoxious rant…. Thank you

mf


Wed Jul 22 2015 10:43 pm EST

RF4L - Agree the Yotes wouldn't do that deal...but not because they're rebuilding...I mean, the Sabres are rebuilding and look who they just traded for...STEPAN would be a great center to plunk in between DOMI and DUCLAIR or to anchor a first line.

tdchi


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:51 pm EST

evets: Nice haul, but the likelihood of Phoenix doing that is about 1/100th of the Rangers moving Stepan. The Yotes are rebuilding - no way do they abruptly circumvent that with such a deal. I concur Stepan would bring in a nice haul, but from a team that is on the way up (or thinks they are). Edmonton might be a possibility. And Calgary. And Winnipeg. And of course the Predators. It's Nashville who to me seems the most logical place, given their needs and goals (or lack thereof - ha!). However, what do they have to offer in return??

RF4L


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:27 pm EST

I would have to think any return on Stepan would have to be significant. Looking at the O'Reilly trade: Mikhail Grigorenko (12th overall selection 2012), Nikita Zadorov (16th overall selection 2013), JT Compher (35th overall selection 2013)--three A-level prospects--and the 31st overall selection. Stepan gets AT LEAST that much, if not more in return if the Rangers decide to trade him (which I don't think they will). In a deal with Arizona: Stepan and Klein for Mikkel Boedker, Michael Stone, Max Domi, Anthony Duclair, and a second round pick.

evets1980


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:11 pm EST

RangerLou!!!! You cursed us, summer ice is the Devils vs the Flyers, who the hell do you even root for???? Guess Ill watch Brians Song on MSG 1.......!@#$

WIOSA


Wed Jul 22 2015 6:49 pm EST

mf - I concur with RF4L here...though that may make sense from a fans perspective, there's just no way either team would do that deal...Rangers wouldn't want to deal Step in the conference, IMO, nor would they take that much cap space...and Toronto would surely want something more for those two...If Step is getting moved, IMO, it's out west and to a team with a good number of almost NHL-ready prospects...Coyotes would be my first thought...maybe Winnipeg...possibly the Preds...but the Rangers take a big risk doing that because they're then relying on one of their other centers to really step it up a notch...no pun intended. I like moving MILLER to that spot...he's better at faceoffs than HAYES...more suited replacement, IMO...but...the question is what kind of jump he'll take next season...I think Hayes is MUCH better suited on wing than he is center...though positionally, he's fine, he absolutely sucks at faceoffs and that's something that I don't see improving with him...if Step goes, his replacement simply needs to be better in the FO circle...can't tell you how many times during the playoffs the Rangers were badly hampered by their inability to win draws...anywho...we'll see by next week at this time, but I firmly believe the soldiers we got are the ones we're taking into camp.

tdchi


Wed Jul 22 2015 6:38 pm EST

"A bigger, more aggressive guy" to replace STEPAN and Jumbo Shrimp in the same sentence...am I missing something here or was that a joke?

tdchi


Wed Jul 22 2015 5:15 pm EST

Stepan might end up being too expensive for what he brings and getting paid as a #1 center. I'd like to see a bigger more aggressive guy with real grit in that spot. Jumbo joe might be better for 2 years . Maybe Hayes will learn from him . Learning from Stepan is missing ingredients needed to get to the promised land. He's good but not good enough. Way too many nyr don't have a mean streak....they tend to be country gentlemen ....that's what blows about mr whistle to whistle.... That crap after the whistle has effects in a game... Put some sandpaper on their gloves if they think a face wash is the answer...free skin peels....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 22 2015 4:31 pm EST

RF4L--With 4 team divisions, they could have 2 Canadian divisions, which would be cool.

Bob


Wed Jul 22 2015 3:26 pm EST

WIOSA:Thanks - that was my question. Last few summers I would get at least 1 Summer on Ice Ranger win a week on MSG broadcast on Charter Communications here in CT along with some Devil and Islander SOI games (which I never watched).But this year I switched to Frontier (ATT Uverse) and they've been mostly just been showing the occasional Devil win OI games.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 22 2015 3:25 pm EST

Bob: Or 4 8 team divisions. NYR, NYI, Pitts, NJD, Phil, Wash, TB, FLA. Another could be Carolina, TOR, BUFF, OTT, Mont Quebec, DET and Columbus...myriad of possibilities.

RF4L


Wed Jul 22 2015 2:39 pm EST

So, after expansion there could be 8 4-team divisions. NYR-NYI-NJD-BOS?

Bob


Wed Jul 22 2015 2:37 pm EST

Hey WIOSA........ They could be playing Devils Games. LMAO!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Wed Jul 22 2015 1:51 pm EST

To Whomever asked about my MSG stations. I call it the NBA stations that occasionally show the New York Giants, Boxing, and Billy Joel. On the MSG extra channel I do get Summer on Ice occasionally which primarily shows Islander games. Of course if we played an lost to the Islanders they show that game. There are times they play the 50 Greatest MSG moments, which show the 94 highlights of the Rangers winning the ECF and the SC. I od' on THE MASK and all it's episodes but they haven't played that in awhile. Early in the morning you get 'how to lose weight in 21 days' not sure what sport that is. Late in the evening you get Movies - from the 70's ...saw Serpico a few thousand times. So I guess my answer is no, I don't see many Ranger games on the MSG channels during the offseason. I think MSG forgets they own the Rangers...

WIOSA


Wed Jul 22 2015 11:19 am EST

Melville: with all do respect, what don't you see in Stepan that makes him less then worth less then $5-million

E


Wed Jul 22 2015 9:31 am EST

yeah the market is kinda crazy for every type of player. But that is the market. 5 mil per is NOT that much for a top 30 scorer at any position. Stepan was 32nd WITH all that time missed, so with just a few more games played he would probably have been in the top 30 in the entire NHL for centers. He is worth 6-6.5 per easily. There are teams without a top 30 scoring center at all, and tell me how many teams have a number 1 center who makes less than 5 mil....

Wildcard


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:50 am EST

Stepan getting more than $5M per is a joke.....but then the whole Market is. Sign him and trade him, he is not CUP winner material.

MelvilleFred


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:50 am EST

BTW, trading Stepan away because we cannot afford his $7,000,000 contract contradicts adding 2 $4,000,000+ players in Bozak and JVR.

RF4L


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:48 am EST

mf: 1) Glass is going nowhere - I don't understand how you (and others) cannot see that. Or are you just floating fantasy stuff? If so, let's trade Diaz to Pittsburgh for Crosby but ensure the Pens eat $7,000,000 of Crosby's salary. 2) That 2-some won't be cheap and the Leafs are rebuilding. Therefore, a 2nd for Bozak (that was the rumoured asking price during the June draft) plus 2 of Miller/Fast/Skeji/Hayes/Buch/Halverson. Are you prepared to do that?

RF4L


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:28 am EST

moof: I like your thinking. IMHO we'd be a better team with Bosak and JVR than with Stephan and pick a 4th liner.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:16 am EST

Rhet. Thank you

mf


Wed Jul 22 2015 8:15 am EST

They: T/Y... RF: if we're going the Toronto route for Bozak to replace Stepan, I think we should consider JVR also, as a package..their combined cap hit is $8,450,000 and we can ask for Toronto to eat some salary or dump tanner Glass.. Bozak replaces a RHS with a RHS, JVR gives us a legitimate top 6 who in my opinion will push one or two of our guys down to the 3rd line where they're probably better suited, OR, we may find that we have a 2a &2b, line....we may find Nash, JVR, KRIEDER, down the left side with MZA, MILLER, FAST, ETEM, down the right,,Or, we may have to shift NASH back to the right side, and I don't know how that may affect him in a negative way..I'm no fan of his spin o rama or perimeter performances on the RW.. Again, a JVR could potentially push a guy like Miller or Kreider to the 3rd line and a 4th liner out.. Nothing wrong with that...

mf


Wed Jul 22 2015 7:47 am EST

IMO, if the Rangers are forced to trade Stepan, then to continue with the cup aspirations, they'll need to replace him and not with Kevin Hayes. This is no slight on Hayes, but he's going into year 2 of his professional career and to expect him to adequately replace Stepan is a bit much at this point. Yes, it's not impossible he'd be up to the task, but it's more likely he's not. Yet. IMO, if Stepan has to go it behooves Gorton to pursue Tyler Bozak (as we've mentioned on here previously). He's not as skilled offensively as Stepan, but he's just as good defensively and far better in the FO circle. He'll even hit, too, something Stepan doesn't do. Finally, he's got a reasonable cap hit ($4,200,000 for the next 3 years).

RF4L


Wed Jul 22 2015 7:47 am EST

R47: That is definitely a possibility but in my opinion I think MILLER is best suited on the wing. He is a big, physical, power player who can skate. Yes, he does have some playmaking ability and is far better on draws then HAYES (so far) but in my opinion HAYES is a brilliant playmaker and is far superior with the puck then MILLER. Before HAYES broke out scoring last year his best asset was his ability to safely get the puck out of the defensive zone consistently. Whatever was happening in terms of opposition pressure ended as soon as HAYES got the puck. He either moved it quickly out of the zone or was able to shield the puck long enough for the Rangers to regroup and end the pressure. MILLER can't do that. In fact, I get more nervous when MILLER has the puck on his stick (especially in his own end). On the wing MILLER possess the size and power to be a natural PF, but he also has the mentality for it. He is a bit of a scumbag on the ice. He likes to hit and he has no problem getting dirty. HAYES doesn't play that game. I was happy to see the cheap shot on that midget JOHNSON in the Tampa series but HAYES just doesn't play that way consistently. You either have that scumbag characteristic in your personality or you don't.

Vic


Wed Jul 22 2015 7:31 am EST

Vic: Instead of forcing Hayes to center, If the Rangers decide to trade Stephan (not suggesting they do so) couldn't they have Brass, Miller, Lindberg and Moore down the middle? Risky, but replacing Step (if he gets to be too expensive against the cap) with a top 6 winger might be a viable alternative.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 22 2015 7:26 am EST

Question: Is anyone getting Ranger replay games over the summer on their cable network on MSG? I changed cable providers to Frontier (ATT Universe in CT) and there have been none yet....

Ranger47


Wed Jul 22 2015 7:04 am EST

HIP: Nobody here was a bigger supporter of HAYES this past year then me, but even I believe that there are still a lot of questions about him and what he will end up being in this league. He has the skill and mental makeup to be a star. In fact, we talked a lot here during the season about just how high a ceiling he may have. But, he still has a lot of work to do on his skating, balance and play without the puck. I think his future is at Center because I believe that position best suits his skills and ability. Especially in AV's system where HAYES doesn't possess the speed and quickness to be effective on the forecheck, and he isn't able to get back fast enough to backcheck and be involved defensively. Others see him better as a winger so there are definitely questions as to where he best fits in. And, while I said since November that there was a good chance that either BRASSARD or STEPAN would be dealt going into this season (with HAYES taking a Center spot on one of the top two lines) that possibility/probability took a big hit in the playoffs when HAYES was unable to elevate his game and continue to be productive. That leaves the Rangers with a huge decision and risk if they decide he can handle playoff hockey and ultimately can't. It took STEPAN a few years to develop to the point where he was productive in the playoffs and it took BRASSARD longer. Who knows.....HAYES could be a monster in the playoffs this year or he could fall flat on his face. It may take him 3 or 4 years to become the player he can be in the playoffs or he may never reach his potential. All the more reason for having 5 more just like him so that your chances of hitting it big on one of them is high.

Vic


Wed Jul 22 2015 6:44 am EST

Nick - FLEURY'S numbers look good too...10 shutouts last year....0.927 save percentage in the playoffs...but I tell you what: I'd rather Mack SKAPSKI in net than his worthless ass...Look, HOLTBY is a decent goalie on a very strong team. Move him to a weaker squad, he simply doesn't have the fundementals to be elite...Now I know your MO is to hate on LUNDQVIST and that's your prerogative...but if you watched all seven games in the playoffs and your takeaway was that Holtby is the better goalie...well...I don't know what to tell you...my first advice would be stop listen to McGuire and the NBC feed...Tell you what: If the Caps sign that jackass to a long-term $6.75-7 million deal, they will be regretting it more than the Canucks did with LUONGO, who, incidentally, is a better goalie than the smarmy Holtby...this is a very arrogant kid who believes his own hype...And just one last point on Hank: The only thing he HASN'T won is a Stanley Cup. Take a look in Holtby's trophy closet...the echo in there is pretty intense.

tdchi


Wed Jul 22 2015 4:31 am EST

The vertically challenged wing ...http://nypost.com/2015/07/20/in-every-miniature-nhler-martin-st-louis-legacy-will-live-on/

stevielegs


Wed Jul 22 2015 4:31 am EST

Hang his jacket with him in it... And a lit cigar ....http://nypost.com/2015/07/20/glen-sather-finally-to-get-his-due-with-the-oilers/

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 11:48 pm EST

Since 2010, Holtby's save percentage has been the fourth best in the league. 923 last year and 944 in the POs The guy has been and is good. Same number of Cups as my personal fave Hank, BTW. Heh, heh.

Nick


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:58 pm EST

MF..... What makes you think the Rangers would chose a 2-year arbitration award? IMO, they most likely selected a 1-year award. Why? Firstly, because you don't give Stepan's agent that kind of leverage. If he doesn't like the way negotiations are going, they can always use arbitration as a threat... Such as the "you don't want to pay him now, you can pay him more in 2-years when he becomes an UFA" kind of thing ......Secondly, with a 1-year award, they can keep negotiating on a longer term deal. I'm sure both parties would prefer not having to do this again next summer, so it also provides as incentive to get a longer term deal done. JMO, of course.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:33 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/martin-st-louis-says-teams-were-interested-but-his-heart-wasnt-in-it-anymore/

mf


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:11 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/how-can-the-nhl-possibly-ignore-the-quebec-nordiques-now/

mf


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:09 pm EST

Guess what? Holtby asks for $8,000,000 and the Caps say he's worth $5,100,000 and in the end, Holtby will likely get a long term deal in the middle. Gee, what a surprise. That's because, IMO, he's had one year where his numbers put him amongst the best. How incredibly risky of the caps to give him a long term deal. If last year was legit, decent contract (if long term in the middle); if not, yikes, an albatross contract that will hurt them for years.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:06 pm EST

Form reading you hockey mavens, it seems that Stepan gets a 2 year deal through the arbitrator or something longer term agreement with us.. In either scenario there's a strong possibility that Stepan is with us next season... We could always trade him at seasons end just before the draft if both sides can't hammer out an agreement...

mf


Tue Jul 21 2015 7:41 pm EST

oh, no worry on Stepan at all. We're either going for the cup or we're not. We'll see what happens, no worry.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 21 2015 7:06 pm EST

BTW - The HOLTBY request is HILARIOUS...I rank Holtby up there with FLEURY when it comes to quality goaltending...totally inconsistent...not to great under pressure. I so hope he bangs the Caps for $7 million per...and they pay it...One of the most over-rated goalies in the NHL, IMO.

tdchi


Tue Jul 21 2015 7:02 pm EST

No worries at all on STEPAN...one of two things will happen...he'll get a deal that fits under the Rangers cap(probably $6.75 to 7 million over five or six years) and boom...done...or he gets his big arbitration award and/or is dealt...the Rangers clear major cap space and get three top-notch prospects...maybe even one blue chipper. Pundits like to tie Step's value to pre-drunk crash Ryan O'REILLY's contract...well...can't do that without looking at what Colorado got back for him...and they got two blue chip prospects and one super-talented player who was on the outs with the organization... arguably also a bluechip prospect. Either way, the Rangers make out, IMO...I'd rather keep Step...but if he has to be moved...man, the haul we'd get for him would be pretty goddamn good.

tdchi


Tue Jul 21 2015 4:23 pm EST

Trade Step and sign Hayes to a 9 year, $45MM contract. Problem solved!

Bob


Tue Jul 21 2015 4:23 pm EST

hip: Cap hit higher on 2 year deal vs longer one? Depends on what Stepan is willing to accept. Long term 5 years at $6,500,000 vs what will the arbitrator give him - will it be less? Is that $6,500,000 figure what the Rangers are prepared to go up to? Is that too low for Stepan? Very tough to say, in other words. I do think, however, it's possible what the Rangers are prepared to offer long term vs what the arbitrator might give him for 2 years is less. But it could be only $500,000 less....

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 3:56 pm EST

Trade STEPAN. Cap relief, acquire young assets & give HAYES his ice. Anyone who can't see that HAYES is a future star is.... well, we all have our own observations & opinions. STEPAN prolly' won't get traded. A 2 year deal from the arbitrator sounds like a good compromise for everyone. The cap hit goes up or down the shorter the deal???

hipcheck


Tue Jul 21 2015 3:52 pm EST

He should go for as much $ as possible. Slats held him over the barrel up to now. it is his turn. Propose $9MM and get 7 for 2 years, then 8.5 or more as a UFA. He has every right to do it, and he should

Bob


Tue Jul 21 2015 3:45 pm EST

Rf he's a leader on this team with an A . Whether he takes that into account is up to him. He should have a real number he's willing to settle for . Considering what girardi stall bazookerella and brassard signed for should come into the equation. He should know by now what it's worth to him to stay a nyr. Or if he wants to go where the highest $ are....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 3:29 pm EST

stevie: Unless he feels he can get $7,000,000+, if not now, then in 2 years (and by then, assuming his career doesn't drop off) it'll be $8,000,000 to $9,000,000. If it goes to arbitration then it's because I think, he's seeking as much $$ as possible.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 3:19 pm EST

My guess nyr offer $5.5-6 mil and they ask for $7-7.5 ...considering brassard at $5.5 and chips guy @$7 ... I would give him $6-6.25 as arbiter ... If it goes there. Stepan should jump at $6.5 for 5 if they offer him that before 7/27...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 3:01 pm EST

Bob: IMO that's a tough call. There are plenty of examples of players taking bridge deals to get them to where Stepan is now. There's a risk to giving a kid coming out of his ELC a contract like Stepan wanted 2 years ago. Edmonton did that with Eberle, Hall and RNH and it's ended up hampering them because they've not performed at the rate of pay they're getting. The Leafs and Kadri is a great example why bridge deals have their advantages. Kadri wanted similar money 2 years ago as Stepan but like Sather, the Leafs refused. They weren't sure of Kadri's ability to develop to where his skillset says he can go. Last year, like his mates, he underachieved and ended up signing a 1 year deal at $4,000,000. He'll be an RFA next summer and his ability to land a deal like Stepan wants now is totally in his hands. What a headache if the Leafs had pulled an Oiler move and given him 6 years at $5,000,000 which he (and Stepan) were seeking then.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:56 pm EST

well guess hanks $ have finally started some possible trouble

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:54 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie Three lockouts later, NHL still didn't adopt baseball high/low. Owners don't care because they get fixed pct. anyway. PA should've cared Under this broken NHL "split the difference" system of salary arb, no downside at all for Holtby with $8M ask.

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:53 pm EST

Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay So NHL confirms only two expansion bids, Vegas and Quebec. Fewer than expected....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:51 pm EST

Wild: I don't agree that arbitration numbers have zero to do with negotiation numbers. It's all part of the bargaining game when a player has such rights. If you disagree, that's fine - we can agree to disagree.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:32 pm EST

_Arc - Hah I didn't even need to click the link to know what "fight" you were referencing...I stand by the comment I made here last time Semin was available: only way I want him on our team is if we're in the market for a team masseur.

LeoS


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:31 pm EST

E - I'm with you on your STEP assesment and why I still hope to god there is some way he is a Ranger no longer than 1 or 2 years....but I'm expecting the opposite..a 6 year NTC/NMC contract

Hospo


Tue Jul 21 2015 2:13 pm EST

I don't fault Step for looking for max money now. And frankly, in scales of economy I don't think he's gonna be overpaid at 7+. Not sure... But this is THE contract. The one that sets up his post hockey life. He's in the sweet spot of his career. We all know that I'm not a Stepan fan. Guy skates like crap and is super soft to me. I actually like Brass better although I don't think he's as talented. But, the New York Rangers may have to shed some salary to keep him under cap. But I'm confident he's gonna be re-upped and he is gonna be in a New York Rangers jersey in 2-months.

E


Tue Jul 21 2015 1:27 pm EST

HOSPO--Agree 100%. he should get what he can.

Bob


Tue Jul 21 2015 1:20 pm EST

https://www.hockeyscap.com/

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 1:11 pm EST

Bob/WILD - a few years ago, Sather gave the following advice to STEP--zip your lip, take what I'm giving you, perform and you will get paid....Well , STEP did all that and he and his agent shouldn't seek anything less than 7-7.5 mill on a long term contract....while also setting the bar high in arbitration and wait for an award somewhere between 5.5-6.5..Just how I see it..

Hospo


Tue Jul 21 2015 12:37 pm EST

RF4L: See thats EXACTLY what I am talking about. Those numbers are the numbers the team and agent were going to give the arbitrator. Those were NOT negotiation numbers. The ARBITRATOR was going to be given 3 mil offer from the team, a deal was reached that was higher than that but we have no idea where the team was in negotiations. Arbitration numbers and negotiation numbers have ZERO to do with each other. They could have been at 4 mil per in negotiations and planned on giving a 3 mil offer to the arbitrator. You want to have them linked and have them be the negotiation numbers, they are not at all.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 21 2015 12:32 pm EST

I would assume the price rises when management tries to nail down a longer term deal. They are buying UFA delay. This leads to the importance of the club evaluating young players and locking them down to long term deals, as should have been done with Stepan a few years ago.

Bob


Tue Jul 21 2015 12:10 pm EST

Wild: Well the Craig Smith settlement, which happened before arbitration, says you're wrong. Club wanted $3,000,000, player wanted $4,750,000 and player got $4,250,000...

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 11:37 am EST

RF4L: They didn't come up from their low point. That is were fans tend to link negotiations with arbitration. The negotiations were probably very close to the settling point. The arbitration offers are made in order to get the team/player as close to their desired point as possible. For instance, Holtby apparently wants 6.5 per, so he is asking for 8 per. 3 mil going into arbitration is not what they are offering in negotiations....or most likely not, I am sure there are a some instances where the team is close on both negotiations and arbitration.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 21 2015 11:26 am EST

But I thought it was the salary....dunno for sure.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 11:26 am EST

stevie; That's how Smith's is being depicted (for the Preds) - the average.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 10:37 am EST

In a perfect world----the arbitrator could tell both sides, "You're both nuts-----come back when you've come to your senses"

thedoc85


Tue Jul 21 2015 10:20 am EST

Buckle your seat belts: Tim Wharnsby ‏@TimWharnsby 2h2 hours ago Salary arbitration news: #Sens A.Chiasson Club offer: $1M Player asking: #2.475M #Caps B.Holtby Club offer: $5.1M Player asking: $8M

Bob


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:35 am EST

the cap hit is the average ?

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:15 am EST

What's interesting about that settlement is that the Preds ended up coming way up off their original of $3,000,000 - the average for Smith will be $4,250,000 (only $500,000 off his asking price). However, it's 5 years, starting lower and going up yearly to coincide, hopefully for the team, with cap increases. This is how the Stepan deal will end up if arbitration is avoided, to an average, I suspect of somewhere between $6,500,000 and $7,000,000.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:12 am EST

FWIW, here's how Smith's salary ended up working out: Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC · 18h18 hours ago Craig Smith has signed in Nashville. Five years -- 3.75 / 4 / 4.25 / 4.5 / 4.75

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:11 am EST

Here's another one that was tweeted by Friedman (and Smith and Preds settled prior to the hearing): Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC · Jul 18 Arb filing: Craig Smith asks for $4.75M. NASH offers $3M.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:08 am EST

BTW, the Bouma numbers were tweeted yesterday and his hearing is tomorrow, so I guess if it gets that far, we'll know the Stepan numbers on Saturday.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:07 am EST

I find it hard to believe the Rangers are prepared to have the Stepan case be decided by an arbitrator. We'll see soon enough, I guess (6 days away).

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 9:05 am EST

It's public knowledge - media up here have been tweeting both sides' numbers for various arbitration hearings as they get close. I am assuming a x number of days/hours before a given hearing, both sides must submit their numbers - these are then made public somehow. For example, this tweet (retweeted actually by Elliotte Friedman yesterday): Tim Wharnsby ‏@TimWharnsby · Jul 20 In #Flames arbitration case against Lance Bouma, club offers $1.5M, player requests $2.5M.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 8:54 am EST

is it public knowledge ? or they announce it after?

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 8:23 am EST

stevie; I assume you're asking if they see what both sides are offering/requesting? If so, yes. Or are you asking something else?

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 8:17 am EST

Do they say what the 2 sides are asking for before the hearing?

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 8:15 am EST

stevie: Agreed - the only move I see remaining could involve Stepan depending on where his salary lands. Suspect he'll get signed around $6,500,000 and we won't see anything until the end of training camp.

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 7:57 am EST

Rf in 6 days or less he's resigned , and then Gorton fisherman will hopefully will be down until after training camp. Unless it's a cap buster. Nash is going nowhere for now and if he does it won't be for kids and picks unless it's a deadline deal which is highly unlikely .

stevielegs


Tue Jul 21 2015 7:30 am EST

Hockey dog days are here - the only thing of note that remains in RangerLand is the outcome of the Stepan contract negotiations (which obviously, isn't insignificant).

RF4L


Tue Jul 21 2015 12:43 am EST

Another key thing to remember with SEMIN is the Rangers' relationship with Russian players...or more specifically, the lack thereof...the last Russian to throw on a blueshirt and skate a game at the NHL level was Artem ANISIMOV in 2012....and before that, Alex FROLOV in 2010. Two Russians have played on the Rangers in the past half-decade. Me thinks the team ain't too fond of Mother Russia to begin with, much less someone of Semin's ilk...saw someone making an interesting argument about trading NASH and then signing Semin. Part of the premise was that Semin has better stats in the post season then Nash. And I have to admit: I saw a little bit of the logic...move Nash for three good, solid prospects, suck it up with Semin for a season and then have a lot of cap space to make a late season deal...won't ever happen though.

tdchi


Mon Jul 20 2015 9:49 pm EST

Can you imagine the Rangers signing Seminal_Fluid and cutting McI? OMG, it'll be the start of another dark era in RangerLand.

RF4L


Mon Jul 20 2015 9:44 pm EST

Hospo: I just ate Korean food. Don't give me indigestion. No more prancing in a New York Rangers jersey. I want some hockey players. It'd be great watching Semin play keep away from himself along the boards with zero intestinal fortitude to earn a goal. I just can't imagine signing Semin. And Groton would start off his career at the helm with 90% of Rangerdom sending him brown bags of dog crap.

E


Mon Jul 20 2015 9:15 pm EST

_Arc, now THAT was funny. "Ill slap you silly"

WIOSA


Mon Jul 20 2015 8:32 pm EST

You've gotta have heart All you really need is heart When the odds are sayin' You'll never win That's when the grin should start You've gotta have hope Mustn't sit around and mope Nothin's half as bad as it may appear Wait'll next year and mope When your luck is battin' zero Get your chin up off the floor Mister you can be a hero You can open any door There's nothin' to it, but to do it You gotta have heart Miles and miles and miles of heart Oh, it's fine to be a genius of course But keep that old horse before the cart First you've gotta have heart (You've gotta have heart, you've gotta have heart) You've gotta have heart All you really need is heart (When the odds are sayin you'll never win) (That's when the grin should start) You've gotta have hope Mustn't sit around and mope Nothin's half as bad as it may appear Wait'll next year and hope When your luck is battin' zero Get your chin up off the floor Mister you can be a hero You can open any door There's nothin' to it, but to do it You gotta have heart (You've gotta have heart) Miles and miles and miles of heart (Miles and miles and miles of heart) Oh, it's fine to be a genius of course But keep that old horse before the cart First you've gotta have heart (You've gotta have heart)

stevielegs


Mon Jul 20 2015 8:19 pm EST

E - Not sure about that..not with latest aquisitions of Etem. Stalberg and Diaz....Seems likevheart isn't much of a condisderation compared to speed and skill....Semin would fit in...

Hospo


Mon Jul 20 2015 7:54 pm EST

Semen does not fit this teams concept. All skills no heart. Best part of his heart slipped on the wet spot.

E


Mon Jul 20 2015 7:39 pm EST

Seriously you guys want this guy on the team???? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM SERIOUSLY? One of the greatest fights I've seen!!!!

_Arc


Mon Jul 20 2015 7:10 pm EST

Good-bye Tanner Glass..... We could probably then Feanagle Stepan, Semin & Sheppard into the line-up....

mf


Mon Jul 20 2015 7:05 pm EST

Looks like the 'sign SEMIN' rumor mill starting to fire up on the fan side...for the record, I don't see how the Rangers would sign this guy, even if STEPAN does take a massive discount. And I don't know who they cut from the forward corps to get him in the lineup...but I've read/heard a couple of impassioned pitches for why the Rangers should sign him...my gut reaction is that Semin is done...a player who road the coattails of some pretty incredible linemates to amass some really good career numbers...and that he's been on a downward spiral for some time...one that isn't likely to correct itself any time soon...and that whatever contract the Rangers would give him would end up looking pretty foolish...but an infinitesimally small part of me says they could get the guy for next to nothing and that this is a former 40-goal scorer...anyway, here's the latest rube to make a pitch for bringing aboard Semin: http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/17/8876321/2015-nhl-free-agency-rangers-should-target-alexander-semin.

tdchi


Mon Jul 20 2015 11:35 am EST

In regard to Calle Andersson, I did hear the 'he was coming North America' stuff too , but he has a deal with HC Lugano until the end of the 2015-16 season. As far as I know, he only has an opt out if he makes the NYR .....OLA... In regard to Zamorsky, I hope you're right. I'll be cautiously skeptical until he actually reports to Hartford :) ....TD.... I read the same about Oksanen, but I'm hoping the fact that he attended our prospect camp and is supposedly going to Traverse City means he's considering signing with us.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 20 2015 11:08 am EST

Viktor Stalberg's G/F (wife perhaps?) is gorgeous...if she's actually Mathilda Jansson.....

RF4L


Mon Jul 20 2015 10:37 am EST

Wild- Wouldn't suprise me, I haven't heard it outspoken but it seemed like Clarke hinted it during the scrimmage.

Ola


Mon Jul 20 2015 10:35 am EST

Rhet- Think Zamorsky will play in the AHL, he has no contract in Europe and no team as of now at least. Last year, he blew it in the -- by the KHL gutted -- Finnish league. Sure, a D like him needs a chance to play but his coach in Finland didn't have room for him on the top two pairings which was a real miscalculation... He then finished the year strong on a better team in a better league in Sweden. He could return to them, but they are not counting on him. I also think the AHL makes more sense for him no matter what. He can swim just must prove that he can/learn to do it with the sharks if you get what I mean.

Ola


Mon Jul 20 2015 10:30 am EST

Ola: Read something that they wanted him playing for his dad, they liked his coaching style or something, or how he was teaching him, and they thought it was better for him to have that another year rather than being in Hartford. Don't know if I am getting that all correct or not, or if its all accurate or not, but there is something like that with the kid going on.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 20 2015 10:27 am EST

I don't think they decided on Calle Andersson. He was drafted as a project. Had a decent but unspectacular first year; sub-par second year. If a long shot is going to make it, you want a hockey stick development. Like 99/100 take of instantly. But then Calle finally had a real spectacular third year. He played the point for a good team that had like a 30+% PP, two forwards at the top of league scoring with the leader like 20+ puts above the rest. That's the thing with him, he does real well at almost everything. Very poised and calm with the puck, good right handed shot, strong and aggressive in front of the net. But mobility and defensive positioning is probably his biggest issue. He is like 6'1.5 and 210+ lbs. Got an arse the size of a barn. He looks good and then bam he is a (time) zone behind the play after a quick turn. How do you develop a kid like that the best? There are no quick fix. Just needs to build a overall game that stands the test. Risk is that he gets lost a bit in the shuffle in HFD? Wouldn't be suprised if our guys actually wanted him to stay in Europe and play another year in the same high octane environment he played last year. But at the same time, I definitely think that's a decision you can give some time. In what physical shape will Calle be this fall? You never know with kids, a lot can happen in short time.

Ola


Mon Jul 20 2015 10:16 am EST

Wouldn't it be a nice surprise if one of Zamorsky and Andersson wowed in camp, to the point where the decision to farm both out at camp's end is difficult? The Rangers haven't had a surprise at camp like that for a while AFAIC. They're due...

RF4L


Mon Jul 20 2015 10:01 am EST

td: Yes Anderson is coming across. He was at development camp as well. At least thats what was reported, that he was planning on playing in NA this season.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 20 2015 9:30 am EST

TD: I watched Donnay in the OHL POs (played with McD on the Erie Otters) and IMO is a long shot to ever play in the NHL. He's simply too slow, I think. He needs to play a meaner style of game if he hopes to make it to the show (to help overcome his lack of mobility). Ryan Graves, on the other hand, looks like he could be the real deal. Like Donnay, his biggest challenge is his mobility but he looks a step ahead of Donnay in that regard.

RF4L


Mon Jul 20 2015 9:09 am EST

Competition at D is going to be tough this season...some pretty decent prospects coming into the fold, excluding SKJEI...Two guys to keep an eye on are Ryan GRAVES, who really poured it on during his last year in Juniors and Troy DONNAY, a big gangly stay-at-home who will vie for a spot in Hartford...also thought Calle ANDERSSON was coming over, but I could be mistaken...Graves is the one I'm most excited about...huge guy, booming shot...started to show a lot more offense in his last year of juniors.

tdchi


Mon Jul 20 2015 8:55 am EST

rhet0ric - RUSSO, OKASNEN and MOMESSO in that order would be a great trifecta...I doubt Oksanen signs this summer, just because that would give him an extra year to strut his stuff at BU..I'm sure there's a sense that his spectacular numbers last year were somewhat attributable to EICHEL...frankly, I think the kid has the goods...the right-handed RUSSO is actually the big sleeper here...Haven't heard a word yet why he didn't sign with the Isles or what teams are pursuing him, which is kind of strange...he's in the same class as REILLY...maybe even better...definitely more NHL-ready...I suspect he's looking for a team he can walk onto in the fall...and I suspect he'll find it too...Rangers simply can't promise him that...and with eight blueliners in the pipe, including five righties...two of whom will have to pass through waivers...I suspect Russo will look elsewhere for a contract where he can at least vie for a sixth or seventh defenders' spot...Momesso is the wildcard....heard good things out of rookie camp and of course he has the pedigree going for him...but TBH, the kid couldn't even hack it in the ECHL last season...but hey, you never know. He is only 22. Always possible he trains hard and gets a minor league contract to start the season, even if it's Greenville.

tdchi


Mon Jul 20 2015 8:36 am EST

St Louis showed up at ny rangers hockey camp for kids today. Will be staying all day today. Possibly and indication that he will indeed be working with the New York Rangers? I thought for sure he would get a position with the Bolts...but then again, considering why he left the Botls, maybe not.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 20 2015 8:28 am EST

RHET: I read something, can't remember who put it out there, that the guy wanted to come over to NA and give it a try, understanding he could be in the AHL. It sounded as if he wanted to play a full season to see if he liked it, and did well. I would imagine if he is being used the way he likes in the AHL that he will stick around if only to see if he could get a team to give him a contract on his next deal that gave him a shot at playing in the NHL.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 20 2015 8:19 am EST

OLA..... Sadly, I don't think it will happen. Zamorsky has a deal with the NYR that he can go back to Europe if he doesn't make the team.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 20 2015 6:05 am EST

ESCHEW OBFUSCATION

gene_carr


Mon Jul 20 2015 3:04 am EST

Rhet- I like Zamorsky, he is kinda a C-tier prospect but he has boom/bust potential. Very good right handed slapped and nifty offensive skills. Weak defensively. It will be interesting to see how Gernander can utilize him in HFD...

Ola


Mon Jul 20 2015 1:11 am EST

The NYR currently have 47 players under contract (Including Stepan w/Halverson sliding), That leaves 3 FA they can still sign. I expect between now and Traverse City , we'll see whp impresses them.(Ahti Oksanen, Stefano Momesso or Russo maybe?). In regard to Petr Zamorsky, I meant to say that he was named best D-man in the Czech league the Season before he signed with the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 20 2015 1:02 am EST

Haha wakes up to the headline "The Mega Deal" of a newspaper in Sweden and a picture of Hank, Erik Karlsson and Gustav Nyquist. Turns out someone bought the tv rights to the NHL in Sweden for 7 years, but it woke me up... ;)

Ola


Sun Jul 19 2015 10:42 pm EST

I've also mentioned before that the NYR will also be interested in soon to be former Isles prospect RHD Robbie Russo. He will be a Free Agent in August.... http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/robbie_russo/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 19 2015 10:18 pm EST

Peter Zamorsky was named best D-man in czech league this past year (RHD). Likened to Marek Zidlicky. Long shot to make the team but could also be MCI's worst nightmare.... http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=70391http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=70391

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 19 2015 9:08 pm EST

..and who the hell is Peter Zamorsky...?

WIOSA


Sun Jul 19 2015 9:03 pm EST

Again, we see the penchant for pushing Skjei. I don't know who Mr. Some is, but if he thinks Skjei is NHL ready, he is in very limited company. http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/19/9001359/new-york-rangers-analysis-the-blue-line-group

WIOSA


Sun Jul 19 2015 8:52 pm EST

For anyone asking the question, who is Magnus Hellburg? .... https://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-east/metropolitan/new-york-rangers/new-york-rangers-prospect-watch-magnus-hellberg/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 19 2015 8:43 pm EST

Obfu skated with fix skated ?

stevielegs


Sun Jul 19 2015 3:55 pm EST

I've never seen obfuscated used in that context. However, I have heard the variation "Our Boys Fxxxxng Skated" well in practice.

Ranger47


Sun Jul 19 2015 3:53 pm EST

we have a wiener....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 19 2015 2:30 pm EST

Did someone just actually write 'OBSFUCATED' on the wall? WTF

_Arc


Sun Jul 19 2015 1:17 pm EST

Calibrate = McIlrath. Good job iPad.

E


Sun Jul 19 2015 1:15 pm EST

TD: I think you hit it right when it comes to holding fast. I think that for some this has been in a way a disappointing summer in terms of improving things. We can all argue all day about the cap management etc... But you also need your kids to play and bring their palatable contracts with them. I still think after this Stepan thing flushes out that the New York Rangers will continue to look for a top-6 option. But sometimes you just wanna let it ride and see what you've got. I think that Fast in someways is gonna be able to pick up some of Hagelins minutes on the PK. I don't know what to make of Etem. His scouting has become obfuscated by tons of armchair experts (including myself.) I wanted to up the grit and size of the team and add some more of an edge. Not a thug team but one that is gonna hawk the puck and provide very little time and space. It's one thing to intimidate with speed. It's another thing to have players that do that and play rough style. But there won't be much intrigue going on into camp. You have a little competition for bottom-6 spots and what amounts to Diaz, a calibrate, and Skjei battling for the final spot. With Skjei being the long shot and Diaz being the most nauseating shot.

E


Sun Jul 19 2015 12:16 pm EST

hipcheck - Love the enthusiasm! And in all seriousness, I think that's what we'll see with McILRATH...in truth, I really like both kids joining the team this year, LINDBERG included...they're the type of players that are easy to like...And on top of that, I see big things coming from the 'sophomore' class...MILLER, KREIDER, HAYES and FAST...in all four, I see a lot more upside to come this season...I know some here are disappointed in the moves/lack thereof....but I don't for a minute think the Rangers would have been as quiet as they were if it weren't for the anticipated step the younger players will be taking this coming season. I'm excited to see what all six will do with a full season in the NHL.

tdchi


Sun Jul 19 2015 8:36 am EST

hip: Better make sure AV realizes that!

RF4L


Sun Jul 19 2015 7:57 am EST

"Easy like Sunday Morning".... Morning Walksters, we are one day closer to inserting finally MCILRATH into the lineup, and watching the identity of the team radically change. Toughness has been a missing ingredient, toughness will help this team win, and win a lot this upcoming season. Let A NEW NYR era' begin. ;-)

hipcheck


Sun Jul 19 2015 1:23 am EST

Richter.....

MelvilleFred


Sat Jul 18 2015 10:27 pm EST

Richter. Not even close. 1994. That is all.

Nick


Sat Jul 18 2015 9:10 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/lundqvist-or-richter-the-mount-rushmores-for-every-nhl-team/

mf


Sat Jul 18 2015 8:50 pm EST

Hospo/all -- whether a guy like Stalberg hits consistently or not is largely a product of what the coaching staff wants and what it emphasizes. Same goes for each and very player on the team and the team's overall style of play. If AV tells Stalberg and Etem that he wants them to HIT..... that he expects them to go hard on the forecheck and finish their checks at every opportunity....if he makes it clear that HITTING is how they will be judged by the coaching staff and whether or not they do it will determine their ice time and whether or not they get another contract offer, then I assume they (or any other player given that directive) will HIT. If guys with the tools to be effective hitters are told that is one of their prime directives, then do we think those players will simply refuse to comply?? If AV wants his team to HIT MORE, he has to make it a MANDATE....he needs to make HITTING a part of Rangers hockey and anyone who doesn't do itbgetsnhipped out. I really can't imagine players refusing to do,whatbthemcoach TELLS THEM to do.

JFC31


Sat Jul 18 2015 7:23 pm EST

IMO The NY Rangers have been real patient and nurturing in McIlrath’s development. A full healthy season in the AHL is & was perfect, and this year I see him getting his playing time when filling in for an injured Dman, 2nd night of a back-to-back, perhaps in games that are blowouts, both for and against… Hopefully this will prove to be a good increment for both player & team. Next year, Boyle’s gone, opens the spot full time for McIlrath, and the dollars for a guy like Yandle…..

mf


Sat Jul 18 2015 2:41 pm EST

Chris Krieder is a dirty bastard. And he will smash and bang the way you want him to. But when the ref has eyes on him he has to know when to cool it down. Sometimes he does and sometimes he does something stupid. He has to learn to pick his spots. He reminds me of Simmonds on the Flyers in many ways. Although I think Simmonds has learn to pick his spots better and that's what makes him more effective. He isn't looking to hurt you until the ref turns away. That's when he strikes. Chris Krieder is earning his reputation on the ice for what he is. Unfortunately, in most cases of initiated contact you're gonna take the worst end of it. But Chris Krieder has taken his lumps as well. I think if there was any kind of parallel with Chris Krieder's trajectory it would be Corey Perry, or Kesler. Both players became much better and productive when they learned to pick the spots. Both were really bad at it early on in their careers. Especially Kelser who relished harnessing his inner Barnaby. Now? Both are nasty customers who know when and how to use it as a game changing weapon. They both still take ugly penalties from time to time. But that is par for the course when you play like that. That Chris Krieder boneheaded hit or even better yet when he crushed Upshall on a line change behind the play is just not smart. But I think Miller is the one to watch this season. That kid is an asshole by nature. He's arrogant. He dislikes the media. And he likes to play rough and tumble. As he gets older he has all the skill to turn into a real scumbag on the ice and the worst kind: he could very well be skating in the top-6. And with Chris Krieder. You add those two into effective top-6 standard bearers (Chris Krieder already is) and I don't wanna here about the New York Rangers being too passive. Because, you factor in MZA and .50 of your top-6 is nasty. Nastier then 80% of the league. It's a start... The more interesting fight coming into the early season will be Diaz vs. McIlrath. Both are gonna try to lock down that spot and hope Skjei doesn't rapidly progress. and if McIlrath cannot take a spot from Raphael "I've played and was traded/released from every team in the NHL?" Send him packing on the first bus and find a WC sucker.

E


Sat Jul 18 2015 2:23 pm EST

Mf-isherman you remember sather was the gm with gorton fisherman ? They didn't seem to have a plan on a trade package . They hesitated on talbot and seem to panic trade hagelin . It's done time to move on.... Or moof on....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 18 2015 12:54 pm EST

WIOSA: IMO, you try to deal from a standpoint of strength whenever possible... Before the draft, Edmonton was all over the internet as to wanting a Goaltender and an experienced or mature defenseman that can play top 4 minutes.. Klein is certainly that, and a RHS with a very palatable contract.. Talbot was the top goaltender candidate, and Hagelin is included because we needed to clear dollars and would have had to give talent to get talent. They would need a wing to replace Eberle............

mf


Sat Jul 18 2015 12:07 pm EST

Watching summer on ice Wild at NYR,,,,watched the Rangers kill a pp by Wild, only to have Kreider board someone, for no particular reason (I call it a Kreider) and get a 5 minute game misconduct. Watched them kill off that penalty and realized that they've been on the PK for most of this period (2nd of course) and seeing how much we're going to miss Hags on special teams. That said, we killed the penalty - almost 7 straight minutes, not to mention the two minute before the 7, to have the Wild score two goals in 1 minute. LOL...still miss seeing hockey..

WIOSA


Sat Jul 18 2015 11:16 am EST

RF4L amen. We needed this before the trades and the draft. Reason why I am not doing cartwheels over our summer performance so far....MF, hmmm, Why would Edmonton trade their 25-30 goal shoots right forward who is 25, for our 15-20 goal shoots left forward who is 27? When the oilers are not trading for NOW they are obviously rebuilding. Not only that they already have two Kleins. The only thing they needed in your suggested trade is Cam, whom they got for picks. I understood why Sather got MSL, and I only wished he could've gotten us another MSL for this year...one with more power and will plant himself in front of the net, which is why I was so enamored with Ward. I thought he would do the trick.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 18 2015 10:13 am EST

hospo maybe he will when big mac drills him into the boards in practice.....even with all the injuries, excuses,bad goaltending, and lack of timely and plain scoring, the nyr were in it. coach vivi and his ass-istants couldn't figure it out....3 strikes and they should be gone.....but probably won't.....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 18 2015 10:04 am EST

STEVIE - Stalberg's size doesn't enter into the equation because he doesn't use it!!.

Hospo


Sat Jul 18 2015 9:06 am EST

that's exactly why the Rangers should have offered Talbot, Hagelin, & Klein to Edmonton for EBERLE..

mf


Sat Jul 18 2015 8:46 am EST

The Rangers struggled to score the entire POs. They need a 2nd legitimate top 6 scorer. It's why Sather paid so dearly to get MSL. Until that's addressed I think the cup will continue to elude them. JMHO

RF4L


Sat Jul 18 2015 7:32 am EST

RF4L - Take a wheel off the top skating defenseman and pull out the the playmaker from the top line and you get the Rangers' offense in that last few games. They caught lightning(no pun intended) in a bottle in Game 6...in part because I think Tampa got overly confident and tried to play a game their team isn't coristnstructed to play...but given McDonagh's and Zuccarello's injuries...it's really a miracle they did as well as they did. And that's not even taken into consideration YANDLE and the rest of the banged up D. Rangers' offense isn't the problem, IMO...you got a solid argument if you say their PP is the issue...there, I think you have a solid foundation to stand on...But even then, that's not an issue I see improving with different personnel...I mean, Christ, the probably have the best offensive point in the NHL...that's a problem I hang on the coach.

tdchi


Sat Jul 18 2015 7:26 am EST

Certainly, injuries are par of the Stanley Cup equation...and one that teams have almost no control over...You can be as deep of a team as they come and still fall short in the playoffs because of who the injury bug struck...and I firmly believe the Rangers' season was cut short by that virtue alone...Had ZUCCARELLO and McDONAGH remained healthy, they would have gone to the finals...no question in my mind. And in truth, I think if there was a team to be the Hawks, it was the Rangers...just to put this argument in a different light, does anyone here think the Hawks would have won the cup without SHARP for the last three rounds and without KEITH for the last two games of the final? I don't. I don't think they would have made the finals...Can't lose one of your top line guys AND your best defenseman and still have a reasonable expectation of winning...especially against teams that didn't have that kind of luck with injuries.

tdchi


Sat Jul 18 2015 6:57 am EST

NIck yes! I knew about the Socci dogs from the Olympics but I hadn't known that Stepan was one of the adoptees! So cool.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 18 2015 6:26 am EST

HOSPO: Yes injuries are part of every run. And I know the traditional idea is "injuries are no excuse" and that old idea is about correct as the old idea about the world being flat....I mean maybe not an excuse but injuries are a reason. For instance how many cup teams ever have had the number of D injured in the way the Rangers D were injured? It's usually the opposite. Winning teams talk about how they were able to avoid injuries. So while injuries are part of it, the Rangers were way past the norm and until they had the numbers of walking wounded they did offense was not an issue, so looking at it the injuries were a big part of the reason why they didn't score towards the end.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 18 2015 6:03 am EST

LW Viktor Stalberg, Rangers: One year, $1.1 million cap hit. Stalberg’s reputation was skewered by one terrible year in Nashville, but there’s lots to like. He scored better than 2.0 points/hour at evens last season and has done so in three of the past four years—that’s a ridiculous clip for any forward and particularly so given Stalberg’s size and salary. .......http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-best-nhl-analytics-free-agent-signings/

stevielegs


Sat Jul 18 2015 4:19 am EST

It's literally the dog days of summer

stevielegs


Sat Jul 18 2015 3:09 am EST

http://www.today.com/pets/sochi-olympians-rescue-dogs-are-all-grown-adorable-t31186

Nick


Sat Jul 18 2015 2:57 am EST

Hey Wiosa, Hospo, other animal folk ... did you see this from last year in the Post? http://nypost.com/2014/05/25/i-saved-this-pooch-from-putin-rescued-pups-live-it-up-in-the-usa/. About the Sochi dogs saved by athletes. Good stuff.

Nick


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:55 pm EST

Dylan McIlrath is 355 days younger than Chris Kreider... Mac d/o/b 04/20/92....Kreider 04/30/91........ These two should be working out together already... One can teach the other to skate, and the other can teach the other how to hit......... A whole nutha other going on there! ;-)

mf


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:47 pm EST

HIP: awesome, thanks

mf


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:05 pm EST

Rhet: Re Tampa series and 21 goals. Yes and 2 shutouts against at home. Shoulda coulda woulda. Didn't because in large part an anemic offense. That for me hasn't been addressed. Unless Kreider takes that next step. If he does it's huge. At times I think the team's fortunes in terms of the next and final step rest on his broad but unproven shoulders...

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:47 pm EST

We are in the CUP two years in a row if this-- https://youtu.be/rkrHn9ufPeU --is in the line-up. Period, end of story!

hipcheck


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:46 pm EST

In the second period of a Boston College game on 2/26/13, Kevin Hayes was kneed and after first believing he had a charley horse, then not being able to skate, not being able to feel his leg and then fainting, Hayes was taken to the hospital and underwent four surgeries. (NY Post)..... Hayes was in the hospital for 18 days, called it the “scariest moment” of his life and doctors told him he was eight hours away from needing his leg to be amputated. (NY Post)..... Hayes said that he never felt that his career was in danger and that he had no backup plan if hockey didn’t work out. Hayes said that doctors and trainers told him he would likely be able to skate but were unsure of how effective he would be.(NY Post)..... He said that the experience was eye-opening for him and at the time of the injury he felt his college career was “average.” He said that he realized he had to take things a bit more seriously and that the injury ended up being somewhat of a blessing in disguise. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:45 pm EST

RF4L... I have to disagree. The NYR scored 21 goals in their 7 game series against the Lightning, which tied for the most goals scored by any team in the 2015 playoffs. Chicago for example, scored 20 goals to beat the Ducks. Also, The Blackhawks only needed 13 goals to beat Tampa in their 6 game series. The NYR scored more than enough in that series, where they failed was defensively. Yes, their defense was injured, but Hank also had two of the worst games of his career back-to-back in games 2 & 3 of that series. JMO, but we should have won that series.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:08 pm EST

WILD - and you do realize that injuries are always a huge part of the Stanley Cup and that teams need to have the depth if they want to win...The Rangers weren't the only team hit by injuries in the PO, not even close..... KREIDER at his best is indeed exactly what the Rangrs need...Will this be the year he learns to be consistent or will it always allude him? Not a bad idea to get a guy that consstently plays that way, No? And as I said before, although I favor a bigger and nastier team, I realize the East is trending more towards speed/skill and avoid contact hockey (exagerrating here)..so perhaps the need isn't there...But I would like a consistent physiocal player on my top two lines..(in addition to KID K would be the best!)

Hospo


Fri Jul 17 2015 5:22 pm EST

Rat: I lean to the end of the spectrum that feels that they are not improved. I have no reason to believe that they are. BUT I thought that outside of the atrocity in the face off circle they'd be okay if someone stepped into the void. Fast did that. However, he was not what I was looking for. On his own I like his skill set. I think he has good upside. On the New York Rangers I think he just exasperated the existing issue. But I fear no one including the NYI in a 7-game series. They have gone thru this crucible of mayhem and destruction before and came out on top. The skill and execution of it by the TBL is what ultimately did them in. So, I know they can take the body punches, I just want them to be able to circle out and put their opponents in the corner and go to the body. Just haven't seen enough consistency and that's because they don't have the guys who naturally play that way with enough snarl. They need to be petulant to go along with their discipline. That's the way I see it. Snarl has an interesting effect on the bench. It spreads across it. I firmly believe that if you get surly against another team guys like Chris Krieder and Miller will be emboldened to be more of a dick on the ice. I think Chris Krieder is at his best when he is yapping.

E


Fri Jul 17 2015 5:14 pm EST

You all realize that it was the lack of healthy bodies on the back end that lead to the lack of scoring against the TBL. Before that scoring wasn't a major issue and they were without Zucc and with MSL who wasn't producing as well as in the past. You say big bodied players are needed...Kreider playing at his top end is plenty to break games open. How many big bodies did the Lighting and Hawks have? 1-2 guys in the top 9? People here act like those teams have like 2-3 big guys with skill.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 17 2015 5:09 pm EST

RF: I totally agree with you. On paper it really looks like the team didn't address the most basic issue that I think hurt them. And it's the types of players that I covet. Big, physical forwards who bring their hard hats and play behind the net. You cannot score against the New York Rangers if you spend half the game 200' from the net. I don't think that's been adequately addressed on the bottom-6 of the forwards. Just my philosophy for winning. HOSPO: don't you start bringing reason into this because you'll really piss me off. I operate on hyperbole only and resent any kind of reasoned discourse. Especially from you.

E


Fri Jul 17 2015 2:49 pm EST

E: It's arguable whether or not they were better. Yes, a better regular season, but they didn't go as far in the POs. IMO, if anything, that's a step back. So far, IMO what's prevented them from the cup is yet to be addressed.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 2:43 pm EST

E - Honestly, for the thousands of times i hear the "smart" fans (not pointing at you here) on here get on other Wallsters for slitting wrists, or jumping off ledges/bridges, it is often they that are the ones exaggerating at snippets of other fan's desires/complaints.....Of course it is more rational to say, let's wait and see and that the Rangers have as good a chance as any, but is it truly as fun? Anyway, I think everybody knows this is a good team...But there are quite a few people that also look at it as how good does thei team have to be, and what does it need, to WIN THE CUP...It's rarley about being a good team..or a bad team...So, let's keep that in perspective also...I

Hospo


Fri Jul 17 2015 2:17 pm EST

Big Mac is behind schedule due to a severe knee injury. When he was drafted the brass absolutely knew there were more talented and offensive players they could have had. What they wanted was another Bukeboom, a guy who would back up and protect a Leetch type offensive player. Grit and defensive ability combined are very difficult to acquire except through the draft. Mac's development in Hartford has been to be paired with an offensive partner with defensive liabilities. It may not always look good, but was a training ground for the role they project for him. At the NHL level his partner will not be as bad defensively as at the AHL level. I think he is, given the set back, where they expect him to be and will be a regular by the end of next season .We will see.

gene_carr


Fri Jul 17 2015 2:11 pm EST

And I think I can speak for most of us on here with regards to McI: We aren't looking at him as a saviour and/or the answer to the cup riddle. We are looking at him to add a missing ingredient, one of a few missing ingredient, not THE missing ingredient. We aren't expecting him to be granted a position on the backline because he's big and tough or because he was the 10th overall pick a few years ago. We are expecting/hoping/wishing AV gives him a legitimate chance and perhaps a tad longer leash than others because 1) he can be one of the missing ingredients 2) he's out options, meaning there's no more opportunity to mature on the farm and 3) it would another Ranger fan nightmare come true to see him effectively patrolling another team's backline. The bottom line is this, I think: Give McI a legitimate chance to make the team.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 2:00 pm EST

I fear no team in July but I do respect lineups. But despite all the other crap I'll take the New York Rangers against any team in the east and give them a chance. And as it remains to be seen how much the loss of Hagelin hurts. But if the New York Rangers couldn't survive life without Hagelin then they deserve 12th place. This is a team that spent a 1/3 of the season without their de facto number one center last season and their premier scoring threat was anything but. Last summer everyone freaked about losing astral an and Boyle. Wrists were cut, bridges looked for. Yet, they were even better. We don't know what OL is gonna bring. Is Fast gonna improve? Is Chris Krieder going to the next level? Is JT gonna continue his upward trend? Who really knows. It's easy to think that this team is just not good enough. Fair enough but until they prove that they're not good enough they are as close as 20 other teams in the NHL. Failure can be sudden and striking. See SJ, BOS, and the LAK last season. But success can also be a somewhat of a surprise.

E


Fri Jul 17 2015 1:50 pm EST

Hospo... Outdated thinking to some, but as you said, look who won the cup. We don't have to look far (just last years photos) to see who won the cup last season. Just getting past the ECF is half the battle. As for the Isles...Im having nightmares.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 17 2015 1:43 pm EST

STEVIE/RF4L/WIOSA - Like you guys, I want grit and physicality on my roster, some balance, and trulyy hope the Rangers bring some in....As is, I really don't LIKE the team very much.....BUT..it is skilled and it is fast with a solid D-Goalie tandem......And you look around the NHL--Yes, the WEST is a diffeent bigger slower game, but look what team won the Wet and the Cup.....As for the more important EAST--the teams are trending in the non-size non-phyisical direction....BOS has little left....WASH with the loss of Brouwer/WARD/FEHR have defintely changed direction....Maybe that is why the Rangers feel comfortable with what they have....However, it seems the only team the really hits all that much might be the ISLES. who will be a major, major pain in the ass next year with another year of maturity,.........Honestly, that alone is enough for me to make sure I have some more edge/physicality..But that seems to be outdated thinking..

Hospo


Fri Jul 17 2015 1:31 pm EST

Oh wow,,,I didn't know that Derek Stepan adopted one of the Sochi dogs! (Jake). Now I like him even more. Pay the man James!!!!

WIOSA


Fri Jul 17 2015 1:25 pm EST

Steve....we already did play the Big and Dirty Ducks...and that only made it worse. We beat them 7-something (it wasn't 6). Justification for staying the course.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 17 2015 1:02 pm EST

he thinks glass does enough of that...he's living in an alternate nhl....guess 'never tough enough' gm didn't win that discussion.....wait until they play the dirty ducks....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 12:49 pm EST

stevie: Agreed - the lack of a physical edge is one of the team's weaknesses. I don't understand how AV doesn't see that. Guess he's the pro, so what do I know?

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 12:44 pm EST

And it makes zero sense not to give the kid the games afforded Kostagoal if you really believe in him, then send him back down. It's a win win all around because 1) no one within the entire organization brings what McI does to the ice 2) it's possible he steps in and plays well enough to stay, thereby giving the team an opportunity to move another d-man to address other weaknesses 3) Kostagoal sucked 4) McI was fine in the single game he was given 5) Playing 5 games in 2.5 weeks and then going back to Hartford wouldn't disrupt the kid's development and the plan to have him work on the his game at the AHL level. I remain convinced he wasn't used because AV isn't a fan of McI nor, for whatever inane reason, the robust, I'll drop 'em style McI emulates. And if that's correct, what will change over the summer to make AV a fan, especially with the likes of Diaz around. I sure hope I'm wrong here.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 12:18 pm EST

WILD - And for the 100th time, that indeed was the STATED plan at the beginning..but, things change....Look, neither you nor I have any idea what they thought of him at the end or why he wasn't called up late......But I doubt any team or any GM would not call up a player that could help the team (especially in the POs) for the sole reason to justify something they said 6 months ago...Again, things change...But, all water under the bridge.....All that matters now is the chance he gets in Camp and what he does with that chance if he gets it..

Hospo


Fri Jul 17 2015 12:16 pm EST

I'd put him in broken glass' spot.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 12:12 pm EST

HIP - I have my doubts about Big Mac rubbing off on anybody..but I would be happy with him playing and adding some element of nastiness when he gets in...BUT..I got this feeling that the Rangers still view him behind Diaz, Skeji, SUmmers and after this morning's propaganda blow fest, even Bodie..Just seems like Big Mac's strengths aren't valued much by the Rangers..We shall see..

Hospo


Fri Jul 17 2015 12:07 pm EST

For like the 100th time. The Rangers didn't want to call McIlrath up at al but were forced to. It had NOTHING to do with him playing well or not at the NHL level. They wanted him to have a full healthy season in the AHL to play top minutes in all situations and work on all parts of his game. The plan before the season started was to have him stay in the AHL all year no matter what. Clark said it, McIlrath himself said it, and everyone was on board with it being the best option. And they were right. Granted he spend 3 days, and 1 game in the NHL, but I don't think he missed any AHL games and with that plan they had him become one of the best D on the team.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 17 2015 11:24 am EST

rf as long as he plays ' whistle to whistle'.......pure bs...the nyr need too add an edge to their game .....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 9:48 am EST

hip: His ability to play at the NHL level won't surprise me (or many of us). What will be surprising (for me anyways) is if AV embraces it.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 9:41 am EST

Rangers have invested a lot in MCILRATH... I predict he will pleasently surprise as the consistent D7. (35 games). Can't wait to see how Big Mac rubs off on Zuccarello, Miller, Etem, Fast, Kreider & Boyle? Rangers can win, and win a lot with a new ingredient of toughness.

hipcheck


Fri Jul 17 2015 9:02 am EST

And $4.50 for a beer at the bar? What's that beer cost at the corner store? 75 cents? Geeesh, talk about a mark-up!

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:58 am EST

TD: Re McI and AV - I sure hope you're right. FWIW, I disagree on your argument that it didn't make sense to have McI play the games Kostagoal did. I would agree if 1) he'd struggled in the game he did play in and 2) he was professionally inexperienced. There are thousands of examples of developing kids who play 6 or 7 minutes a night for a stretch of games due to injury problems with the big club and aren't negatively impacted. I remain unconvinced that AV is open to playing him. I am concerned he's already made his mind up about McI - not quick enough on his skates or his thinking process is what I believe AV has decided. Hell, he hardly embraced the kid dropping his gloves in that game (against Reeves or whatever that goon's name is) which is one of the strength's of McI's game.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:33 am EST

RF4L - HAHAH...before I clicked on that link...I was thinking to myself 'I bet it's Narraganset...' Hilarious, because that's my number-two beer. One of my closest friends lives in RI and that's what we drink when the PBR runs out...funny story about Narrys...used to be able to grab a case of them in college for $7. On a nice day, we'd peruse the quad for anyone willing to toss in a dollar and get as many cases as we could get for an afternoon of binge drinking...pan to the present...was in RI for a wedding...rolled up to the hotel bar when I got there and, being in RI, figured I'd order the home brew...Tall boy of Narraganset ran me $4.50 plus a dollar tip to the wench who popped the top. I was half-tempted to throw the can at her after I drank it....But I digress..PBR is still better. F@ck the hipsters. They destroy everything. Glad they're leaving my beer a lone now!

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:27 am EST

WIOSA - I think the key difference is that the people here cheering on McILRATH are people who have seen him play live...and a lot. I've watched Mack for three years now...usually at least four or five times live...Seen Sjkei less live...watched him play a few games with the Pack...but plenty on the telly with UMinn and of course at the World Juniors...the people saying he's NHL-ready are nobs. Either they don't have a good eye for hockey or they're simply going by virtue that he's the new shiny toy in the box...usually it's the latter...then when they finally see him in New York...we'll hear a chorus of 'Skjei is stagnating...Skjei isn't developing right...blah blah blah...bunch of HockeysFuture scouts Googling when he got drafted and what others are saying about him to formulate some sort of point...Now don't get me wrong: Not saying the kid's a bust...just he has a lot of work to do to be relevant to the Rangers. I certainly wouldn't put him on third pairing...I wouldn't even keep him as a seventh defender...but he'll get top-line minutes next season in Hartford...he'll have to compensate for the departing Mack, who had to keep his head on a swivel for the ever-brain farting Mat BODIE.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:18 am EST

RF4L - See, this is my point: If you want a kid to be NHL-ready...if you want his development curve to be steady...you don't jerk him back-and-forth between the NHL and AHL...Can't recall who was injured when KOSTKA was promoted, but if I remember correctly it wasn't anything long-term...why are you going to uproot the guy and shove him into the lineup to play 10 minutes for six or seven games, only to send him back to the A? Better that he stay in the A, build his confidence and work with the staff there...the NHL is no place to work on fundamentals...No sense in bringing up a guy who is NOT ready for the NHL just because there's a small hole to plug...and let's not mince words here: We've had long discussions about the Rangers' propensity for rushing kids...in Mack, as with LINDBERG...and I suppose you could throw FAST'S name in too...they did it right, IMO.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:10 am EST

RF4L - My stance on NASH has been and continues to be one of reluctant acceptance. I don't disagree that his goals during the regular season are important...and the guy did have a bang-up season...My only real point is that if I were GM, I'd cut and run on him because of his totally lack-luster production during the POs. One or two down seasons is on thing...but man...this guy has 29 points...nine goals and 29 helpers...in 56 games...Granted, he was a little better this past year...but those numbers really hurt your team if you're the leading scorer...but it's all for not anyway, because I don't believe the Rangers will trade Nash. If they didn't move him after his 2014 playoff stinker, they're full-bore with the guy and he'll probably ride out his contract in New York.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 8:03 am EST

TD, Nash: When I said he wasn't a go-to player I meant scoring and only scoring. Nash was a defensive power during the playoffs. Not what he was hired to do, BUT, any good scout, (and ours are) would've reported that Nash is not a post season scoring machine, so the Rangers knew this when they got him.....Replacing Nash for prospects/choices is publicly announcing you are not going for the cup...RANGERS :.My beef with the Rangers is they live in limbo so damn long. If youre going for it, do it...and do it right. If youre not, dump your high priced talent and get the rookies in - rebuild. Don't just put butts in the seats. MCILLRATH v SKJEI : On other sites where I post, your analysis is very true. Everyone is salivating over Brady and knocking Dylan. You have one or two Dylan supporters. On this site, it is more Dylan that most want to see. One way or another - if only to increase his value in a deal, they really have to play the guy. AV: Slow skating will bother AV, but not to the point that he sends McIllrath down to Hartford (see DG, who is no speed demon) Slow thinking will banish him to boogeyland. If he cant keep pace - mentally - with the game, that will be the game changer for AV. Miller showed signs of that, which is why AV sent him back to be 'cooked' just a tad more. I agree, everyone thought Miller was gone, but lo and behold, here he is. Hope he picks it up even more. For the record I like Av. One thing that baffles me a bit is his dislike of a physical game. If teams are "taking liberties" with your stars, especially your goalie, you either 1. Have a helluva PP that will burn their butts everytime they do so....or 2. Have a Pit Bull on the bench that will make them think again. He chose option 3. Do nothing. I don't see that as a good choice. As always - jmho

WIOSA


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:59 am EST

Hey TD, here's an article for ya - about PBR and from your favourite newspaper to boot! http://nypost.com/2015/07/16/what-cheap-beer-lovers-are-now-guzzling-instead-of-pbr/

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:55 am EST

TD: I don't know who you were directing your McI vent to, but I wanna respond to the piece about AV not using him. I keep saying that because so far it's the truth. As I've recounted on here more than once, early last year with 2 regulars out (Boyle and McD) AV elected to play Kostagoal over McI even though in his single game, McI was fine and in several games Kostagoal was horrible, to the point where he was coughing up pucks in front of the King. The opportunity to let McI play a stretch of games to gauge his NHL readiness was right there in front of AV and instead, he uses a 30 year old AHL life who sucked. The patience afforded Kostagoal McI can only dream about so far. That inexplicable decision is what makes me concerned that McI is already behind the 8-ball with AV and is just as likely to be playing elsewhere this fall than the Rangers. And if that happens, it'll sure look good on AV if McI puts a key Ranger on the LTIR.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:52 am EST

jitters will have to be a least a 20/20 to be something .....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:47 am EST

TD: I get the consternation when it comes to Nash, but he does produce in the regular season. Where would those goals come from if he was gone, especially for a return consisting of futures. And as Wild rightfully points out, Nash, even when he's not scoring, is always a threat to score and therefore, consumes a chunk of the opposition's checkers. No Nash and they are free to go elsewhere which would only serve to hinder what would likely be an underwhelming offense. IMO, the biggest issue the Rangers have offensively is that Nash is the only legitimate offensive threat. The rest of the scoring forwards do so in a supporting role. This is why MSL was acquired and now why Kreider's next step in his development is so crucial. Without the latter, unless something unforeseen develops, I fear another cupless season will be realized.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:47 am EST

Alright stevie. I guess you have to stick with something.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:46 am EST

ges999 - Just got a dog and you mention DEL ZOTTO the next day...coincidence? I think not ;) Congrats...and re: the other dog...Flyers can have him. I didn't watch a lot of him last year, but the games I did see he didn't look anything too special...certainly not a $3.7 million per...makes the same brainfarts...just he does them on a team where the defense is so pathetically bad they don't seem as egregious as they did here...Always liked MDZ...liked how he loved to hit...loved his first pass out of the zone...but man, he was dumb as a box of rocks and twice as stupid.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:44 am EST

so is writing ...no ifs and or buts.....I'll stick with the fisherman and the genius for now.....the gming here would be a lot worse.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:42 am EST

stevielegs - Nash is going nowhere. Reading is fundamental.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:41 am EST

And re: McILRATH - I think you have it bass-ackwards...the VAST majority of fans talking about the Rangers seem to gush over SKJEI and call Mack a bust...man, it was like a broken record all spring...'Skjei will challenge for a spot...Skjei is the Rangers' best prospect...Skjei is making McIlrath expendable...' Man, had I a quarter for every goddamn time someone started blathering on about Skjei being the best thing since sliced bread I'd be buying myself some 100-level season tickets...And the maddening reality is that Skjei, while an intriguing player, has shown NOTHING...and I mean positively nothing...to suggest he'll be a regular NHL player, much less next year...I think 'diamond in the rough' is even a little far...we'll see what he does next season...but outside of having a strong stride and good acceleration...what exactly do we have in Skjei? Yeah, decent defensively...he has almost no offensive game...just a very pedestrian player...I guess you could argue his upside is that he could be the welfare version of Marc STAAL. It's a little bit of a stretch, but I see similarities...but probably the best comparison I could make would be John MOORE....There's just nothing about his game that stands out...Now...McILRATH...totally different story...The issues with his skating were/are WAAAY exaggerated...and the kid's true talent is HITTING...it's also what had been a shortcoming...the guy used to always look for the big hit instead of taking the simply play...I mean, this is a player who LOVES to hit...and not only that, but he's VERY good at doing it...his hitting ability sometimes reminds me of how McDONAGH used to hit in college(and even sometimes now)...Difference is that Mack is 6'5 and weighs 240...and he can launch himself like a cruise missile. You see a lot of players his size are too slow to be effective in using their mass...Not Mack. He uses it and uses it well...what used to get him in trouble is that he'd throw the big hit and take himself way out of position...I didn't see that at all last season with Hartford, which is why I think he's ready to go...the other thing I wanted to chime in on was this notion that 'AV will never use him.' I know you didn't say it specifically, but others here have...and I call BS. If you have a tool like Mack on your bench, you use him. The Rangers for once have been REALLY good with letting their youngsters marinate in Hartford...They call them up for a game, give them a report card and then wait some more...it's not, IMO, because they don't like them...it's because Hartford is where you work on your game, not MSG. Folks here were saying MILLER was in AV's doghouse and that he'd be traded by December...blah, blah friggin' blah...well, lo and behold, he's now in the Rangers' top three and could very well be competing for a top line position...When Mack shows he can bring to the NHL what he brought to the Wolfpack, there will be no keeping him off the ice. Plain and simple.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:40 am EST

oh yea that will work get rid of Nash's 40+ goals, and don't replace them.....and hope what they get in return will be on the roster......

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:25 am EST

WIOSA - re: NASH, I generally...almost always...share that same exact opinion...that he's a small-game player who either doesn't have the stomach or the consistency to come up big in big games...And in truth, I think some of it is simply his style of play...that he simply can't navigate through the rush-hour traffic that is the O-zone in the playoffs...or at least he's not willing to...BUT...obviously the Rangers see something in him...we talk a lot about how X player should be moved or how Y player has fallen out of favor with the organization...but in reality, if a player is still with the Rangers after the draft and two weeks after free agency began...there's a very strong chance he staying with the team...and if he's staying with the team, that means management and/or his coach sees something in him worth keeping...Now in Nash's case, I suppose you could say his 40-plus goal season really helped protect his job here...that they see him as an essential piece to GET to the playoffs...but I don't think that's the case...I think Sather --and Gorton by extension --along with AV see him as a crucial piece for the cup...if they didn't, he'd be gone, IMO...it's not like they couldn't find a taker for him...and in truth, Nash's value hasn't been higher since he was dealt from Columbus...so the long and the short: We agree...management disagrees...Sooo...I sit back and say go for it Nash. Prove us all wrong...Just playing devil's advocate for a second though...It would be interesting to see how well he would have done had ZUCC not gotten injured. He was a major cog on that line...arguably the drive train of the unit...but had I my druthers, I would have shipped Nash at the draft for a high first rounder and top prospect. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

tdchi


Fri Jul 17 2015 7:12 am EST

McI looked fine to me in his single Ranger game this past season. From that and everything I've read about him over the past several months IMO he's going to play in the NHL and probably regularly, either on the Rangers or elsewhere. If it's the latter I will be very amused if he crunches a Ranger onto the LTIR. Of course if that happens, no one will challenge him. Not AV's way.

RF4L


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:24 am EST

Time to find out if he's Big Mac or mcibust... Or he'll probably get claimed..roll and tumble the dice ..

stevielegs


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:23 am EST

WIOSA: Thanks. My first dog in 25 years. Wife and kids finally wore me down. How about Del Zotto with a 2 year $7.75MM deal with the Cryers? Damn shame he regressed with Rangers.

ges999


Fri Jul 17 2015 6:07 am EST

E, Im a bit the opposite. I've heard so much about him Im anxious to see him try the NHL again. I did see him in a preseason game...I have to admit I don't remember how he played.....HOSPO, agreed, we should give him a shot, more than a preseason. Skjei isn't ready, everyone seems to agree. I think it is worth our time to test Mcillrath, if, for no other reason than increase his (slowly sinking) worth.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:40 pm EST

It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if the hive mind is more excited over Skjei on the invisible and likely nonexistent depth chart. McIlrath might or might not turn into something. I don't have tons of hope on him and I'll be surprised pleasantly if he sticks and plays impactful minutes. Obviously, you need your 1's to make the team. Something that the New York Rangers have frankly not been great at. But Skjei is a more intriguing prospect to me. Maybe its an oppositional defiance thing to me. The more people drool over McIlrath the more turned off I get about the guy and the more a minuscule part of me wants him to thud. Like Etem or anybody else. September is when you get to make your case. I'll give him that shake

E


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:37 pm EST

WIOSA - Others have seen Big Mac more than me but, from what i've seen, every part of his game is way more than good enough for the AHL and is ready for a shot at the NHL...I'm not saying he's better than the top 6, but he's ready for the NHL test to begin..And that's the only way to find out if he's good enough for the NHL...If the Rangers don't at least give him a chance, tthey may end up regretting it....SKeji, by all accounts last year, was nowhere near ready but all the Rangers seem to care about is speed and place little vale on physicality and nastiness...A huge reason I don't see them winning the Cup anytime soon

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:26 pm EST

The knock - supposed knock - on Mcillrath is his hockey sense, it his ability to 'read' the plays and therefore adjust or plan his positioning has improved greatly in the AHL level, it has not improved in the much quicker NHL level. AGAIN, this is the opinion of AHL and Minor watchers, which is not me. It was stated that he did indeed have a slight issue with his skating, as most of his concentration was on hitting/killing someone. THAT has improved big time. What took more time was his ability to adjust his thinking to the quickness of the AHL game, it is said, that he still has problems with the NHL level, and if he hasn't gotten it by now, he just might not. The RUMOR is they have basically turned their attention to getting skjei nhl ready. And yes, I know they don't play the same game...that is the rumor.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:17 pm EST

Mess was great than he was not so too msl....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:09 pm EST

What goes up must come down spinning wheels.... The rise and fall of the contrarian ...

stevielegs


Thu Jul 16 2015 9:55 pm EST

WILD - Don't disagree with any of that..It's why I have no problem if Big Mac Makes the team as a 7th D-man...Ditto with LINDBERGGER as a 12th/13th forward...They will get their chances if their training camp llay warrants it..

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 9:53 pm EST

Wild: Your all things Rangers is pretty funny sometimes. MSL is easily replaced now...meanwhile, when I was lambasting him for his uselessness he was an integral part of the team and his scoring was crucial and timely. LOL...

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 9:48 pm EST

HOSPO: would bet Boyle is on the IR at least 10-15 games...same for Giradi, his run of no injuries (for the most part) is going to end sooner than later. Klein also likely will miss a few games...just from that McIlrath will get into 20-30 games. Also if he is doing well we may see AV give admen maintenance nights off. A lesser injury may get a guy a day off practice and off a game. And with what is it 17 or 18 back to backs he may rest some guys...again if the kid is showing well.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 9:44 pm EST

vcp: he isn't all that slow. Speed was never his issue. Some quickness and edge work were his issue.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 9:26 pm EST

MF - Not a bad idea to spot Boyle, but AV ain't the type to do that,,,............You can't always get what you waaaant...but if you try sometimes you just might find .....you get waht you need (McI replacing an injured D-man).....Patience my lad...

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 8:12 pm EST

Sorry Mclrath wont play for AV, he may be a better skater than he was but 1 slow defenseman (girardi) will be it. I hope I am wrong.

vcp1994


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:39 pm EST

Hospo: Au Contrairre! With Big Mac's as the 7th, the team can allocate mandatory off day (at least for all the RHS defensemen) to keep our guys fresh for the PO's (similar to a pitch count in MLB) and lower the bar when a maintenance day is to be taken.. This approach could prove very beneficial for back-to-back contests... chalk up one for the CJC. Ha!

mf


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:35 pm EST

Hip: I'd wager that McIlrath's presence will elevate the team's snarl up & down the lineup... Let's hope so...

mf


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:27 pm EST

WILD/HIP - No way Big Mac should see the ice over the healthy top 6 that the Rangers can put out there..but hopefully he will be a great sub WHEN one of them gets hurt .....And I'm not wanting MCI to rub off on the other D-men, they have their established strong game that isn't changing...Instead, want the game of the other 4-5 to rub off on Mcilrath so he becomes a better all around player to go with his physicality/mean streak..

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:22 pm EST

WILD - You can't just totally denigrate MSL and classify his contribution as worthless, and it's not as simple as Rangers good when MSL bad...Maybe that coinicided when they were rifling through the little sisters of the poor part of their schedule.? I don't know and I'm not looking it up...but I'm not saying either way, just that given how the offense stalled late the last two years, overall you would like the Rangers to have a player that can score like MSL when he was playing good (even if he only infrequently did with the Rangers)...Do they have that player? ..Will guys like Etem, Stalberg and the growth of other players provide what you wanted from MSL and what got from Hagelin? becasue the goal is not to be as good as the last two years, but to be better...

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:22 pm EST

Wild... The only restrictions on trading a player is if you match an offer sheet. You can't trade him during the first season of that deal. There are no such restrictions for Salary Arbitration.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:10 pm EST

hip: I am eager to see if Mcilrath being out there rubs off on the other D a little and brings their inner nasty out a bit. All of them have shown some over time...the problem is they guy who does t most is the smallest...Boyle, he has an edge but he isn't built for it. Staal has had it at times, he is the one I hope to see the most nasty from over what he has brought most of the time.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:08 pm EST

WIOSA: once again. They don't need to worry about the MSL production. The Rangers best stretch as a team coincided with MSLs worst stretch. He got less than half his points when the Rangers were tearing up the NHL. Stop looking at full season production. Hags is the one we need to worry about, but I think with 3 forwards on 1 year deals trying to prove themselves that things will end up greater than Hags production wise. Miller and Etem want long term lucrative deals. Stalberg wants to prove the last two season were a fluke not the really good one in Chicago. That type of motivation will push their numbers up. But again, with little to no MSL production from the top 6 and top PP the Rangers were one of if not the best team in the NHL and now that MSL isn't taking those spots you are saying they are worse off. That doesn't compute.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:06 pm EST

RFA defenseman Mat Bodie has re-signed with #NYR on a one-year deal ....HIPCHECK....Once a player files for Salary Arbitration, a team cannot trade him until after a decision is reached.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:05 pm EST

MCILRATH is a long time coming BABY!!!! This Orgnization is finally getting a homegrown beast on the back end. I'm expecting he will platoon with BOYLE & KLEIN all season. I can't wait for MCILRATH to stamp his identity on this team, ... he changes the whole identity.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:03 pm EST

As far as I know they can NOT trade step now that he has filed. They could "sign and trade" him. Also. I think if the elect a 1 year award they have to keep him for the year and if 2 years they can trade him...but I'm not 100% sure.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 5:52 pm EST

Would they have to trade STEPAN to someone before the arbitration ruling? How would his value change? What kind of realistic return can we expect for him, right now, today? Me personally, I've always pictured STEPAN winning the Cup as a Ranger in MSG. I say keep him short term.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 16 2015 4:34 pm EST

...that should say if Etem CAN do it...not cant

WIOSA


Thu Jul 16 2015 4:34 pm EST

Ges999 Congratulations! Dogs are the best..good luck with him....TD, seriously Nash is not a go-to player. You cant count on him in the playoffs, and if we don't have someone to take the pressure off his line during the regular season, we are in serious trouble. I disagree that Hags has been replaced, he hasn't, nor has MSL..Just hoping our young guys who were starting to come to their own continue on that path. Especially Kreider, but he is an enigma to me. We need Miller, Hayes and Fast to really bring it, if Etem cant do it,,,,great, but from what Ive read from Duck fans, that will be a big surprise. Talbot's loss is only a concern a few games a season (since Hank is a game hog) or if Hank goes down,,,so I really didn't think about his loss. Just, as always, MHO

WIOSA


Thu Jul 16 2015 4:26 pm EST

Hospo - thanks. Just ordered the Ranger leash, collar, water bowls and personalized bandana.

ges999


Thu Jul 16 2015 4:00 pm EST

I think there are alot of guys like SHEP and, say, Erich FEHR that are waiting around for teams to finish up their internal stuff and RFAs..And will likely sign fairly soon or in August...But I don't think that matters with the Rangers...While SHEP was nothing special for the Rangers, I'd gladly take him over Stalberg.....but I think that is where the Rangers have already foolishly made their choice.....We'll see if they have another signing left..

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 3:58 pm EST

To the 3:44 post.

kitchen1


Thu Jul 16 2015 3:58 pm EST

tdchi......amen!

kitchen1


Thu Jul 16 2015 3:54 pm EST

OAN: The only two teams that genuinely frighten me in the east next season are the Lightning and...as much as it pains me to say this...the Islanders...the latter...watch the F out for that team...first year in Barclay...first year in a world-class facility...same exact team that powered through the regular season only to come up short almost solely because of injuries...the only solace I take is that they have HALAK as a goalie.

tdchi


Thu Jul 16 2015 3:53 pm EST

TDCHI: Yandle isn't really on a recovery season. He is going to get paid healthy unless the wheels fall off next season which I don't think will happen. He is a hell of an offensive defenseman.

E


Thu Jul 16 2015 3:50 pm EST

Re: James SHEPPARD: Very perplexing that he hasn't signed...I was pretty certain another team would have offered him something by now...makes me wonder if the Rangers or more likely...another NHL team has asked him to hold tight until the arbitration hearings are over...I liked his game and thought he was really underutilized here...so wish we could swap him in for GLASS...and frankly, I probably would have taken him over STALBERG...but with the roster rounding out the way it has thus far, I simply don't see a starting spot for Shep...and I don't think he's going to take anything short of that before he signs a contract.

tdchi


Thu Jul 16 2015 3:44 pm EST

RF4L - TALBOT and HAGELIN were important...but really, how important can a back up goalie and a third-line winger be? And if we look at the replacements..RAANTA and ETEM...I'm not seeing an appreciable dip...not one that would thwart a cup run...I think the more critical replacement...the one I left out...will be who replaces Marty ST. LOUIS' production...not gonna be hard during the post-season...but the season? That's going to require a step up from FAST, MILLER and KREIDER...I do have faith they'll do it though...And ultimately, the Rangers' fate really falls on NASH figuring out and conquering his playoff demons...without him at least being close to a point-per-game player...sadly, everything we talk about here is basically moot...I do agree on KLEIN...I think he's the odd man out....YANDLE I think will get the season to earn a big payday...but Klein is an easy sell and one that will come, I believe, once McILRATH settles into the right side...And that's essentially my point: I have a hard time saying the team's in cap hell when they trade a contract like Klein's to give them a little wiggle room...but like I keep saying...there's a whole bunch of wait-and-see here...that's the way it always is with the Rangers...my eyes gloss over when I start reading posts and articles about the Rangers' cap because the only people who know exactly what it is are the Rangers' execs. But their moves(or lack thereof) to me suggest that 1. They're comfortable with the team they have; 2. They believe they were several ill-timed injuries from making a big push for the cup(see: ZUCC and McDONAGH); and 3. They're not too concerned about the cap right now. But who knows? None of us saw the Hags deal coming....I just think if they were worried about resigning Step or that if they were that pressed for cap space...he would'a been gone at the draft.

tdchi


Thu Jul 16 2015 2:48 pm EST

ges999 - Congrats and good luck! Have had a bunch of dogs all with names beginning with B--Brandy, Buddah, Boomer, Bubbles, Bobo, Bale, Bella....The next one might be a Bulldog named Beuke!!

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 1:58 pm EST

I am pleased to announce the most recent addition to the NYR family - ZUCC - an approximately 2 year old Tibetan Terrier mix adopted today from the New Rochelle Humane Society.

ges999


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:49 am EST

Thanks Hospo, much appreciated.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:48 am EST

HIP - We all are..It's really just wait and see...But I do think if the Rangers really wanted him, they could and would sign SHEP no matter the STEP situation becasue you can go over the CAP by 10% (up to 78 mil or so) through the last day of training camp...I just don't think they want him....

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:40 am EST

I'm having trouble following all the numbers, and possible scenarios .... do we still have a chance at a signing SHEPPARD before the STEPAN situation gets resolved?

hipcheck


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:36 am EST

WILD - Yep. no problem investigating trading him later ijn the season based on the progress, needs, and health of the team/individuals...But to start the season, I think KK helps give us our best team possible.....Now, alot of things would change if the Rangers trade Stepan or another top forward (i.e., MZA) is out of action..

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:16 am EST

Hopso: I started to think yesterday, that if McIlrath shows he is ready, that Klein would be the perfect trade chip at the deadline if there was a glaring weakness up front, or if a forward goes down long term with an injury. But moving him now just to open up cap space that you might need isn't the right move IMHO

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 10:10 am EST

RF4L - For better or worse, I think the Rangers have their team with only Steps numbers being changeable....Why would they have to trade KK? And the more I think about trading KK, the less i like the idea..even if McI is ready......The team as is, is going to be offensively challenged especially when it gets tighter and more intense in the POs--we just don't have those types of players...What we do have is, as it stands today, one of the best top 6 defenses-Goalie combos in the game .That's how the Rangers need to win...I say no to weakening the strength of the team...At least until later in the season when they figure out how desperate they have to be for offense given how guys like Etem, Stalberg, hell, the whole team, hav performed and stood up healthwise------and yes, I still worry about MZA.....

Hospo


Thu Jul 16 2015 9:10 am EST

RF4L: He wont, and not due to the C, but due to the player he is and the cap friendly deal he is signed under. To replace him you would need to sped 6-7 or more per in free agency.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 8:32 am EST

BTW, I'm assuming McD is as close to being an untouchable as anyone on the team. Right? I ask because he's NTC doesn't kick in until next season. Surely Gorton wouldn't consider trading his captain??

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 8:29 am EST

IMO, Nash is going nowhere and Stepan will only be moved if he ends up making around/above $7,000,000. McI and Lindbergh being moved are paid so low their departure won't do much for the cap. Yandle, on the other hand, could be moved and it might be between him and KK.

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 8:26 am EST

stevie: LB is using numbers representing a 23 man roster. The only player on a 2 way contract amongst those you listed are Lindberg and Miller. The latter will not be sent to the Pack and the former must go on waivers first. Equally importantly, the bottom of the 23 man roster are players like Diaz, McI and Lindberg all of whom are making around 600K. Here's the Rangers from http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers, which has13 forwards, 8 d-men and 2 goalies. Swap out Megma with Lindberg and you have what, at this point, looks like the NYR 15/16 (although perhaps things will change to 7 d-man and 14 forwards). Of course, having 1 spare d-man and 1 spare forward is also a possibility. Bottom line is the team, sans Stepan, has less than $7,000,000 in cap space. I still think someone from the roster, such as KK, will be moved before the season starts.

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 8:07 am EST

so who else is trade bait besides kk....big mac, limburger, stepan, nash, bourque, yandle......? .....fisherman will see where he is by 7/27.......

stevielegs


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:59 am EST

"aneirin on July 15, 2015 7:02 pm That 6.75 figure is flat out wrong. Cap hit during the summer includes everyone on a one way contract, in this case it’s including McI at 600,000, Lindberg at 650,000, Diaz at 700,000, and Megna at 600,000. At least 2 of those players will not be on the team come October and their entire cap hit is cancelled out. So the number is at the least 7.95 million. Brooks being lazy and/or trying to stir the pot. – http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/15/rangers-re-sign-j-t-miller-jesper-fast-emerson-etem-oscar-lindberg-and-dylan-mcilrath/#sthash.ftL9pHOE.kFtI5eRY.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:45 am EST

TD: You must mean 20 goals and 50 assists (for 70 points) because 20 goals and 50 points is basically where he is now.

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:44 am EST

BTW, I fully expect KK to be traded, assuming Stepan is resigned and not traded himself. This may not happen until the fall after the Rangers get a better sense of how ready McI is.

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:42 am EST

RF4L - Keep in mind STEPAN just turned 25. In NHL terms, he's no spring chicken...but I can personally see a maturation in his game..I don't ever think he'll be an 80-point or 30-goal player...but Step with 20 goals and 50 points? Yeah, I could see that. Look at the light switch that just went on last season for BRASSARD...looked like a totally different player than the one we got by the time the playoffs rolled around. And he went into the year at 27. I really don't know what Step's ceiling is...but he put up some nice stats last season despite going almost 2 months with hardly a point(I will also point out that his wingers went ice cold during that stretch too)...we'll see, but I think Step at $6.75 mill would be a steal...$7.5 million...meh...I wouldn't pay $8 million for him...and I don't think his agent would hold out for that kind of dough.

tdchi


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:40 am EST

TD: The cap crunch remains - heading into the season with zero cap space, which will likely be the case if/when Stepan resigns, is risky business, as we saw with the Yandle overpayment last February. The argument that other teams do the same thing is for me hollow. Just because you jump off the bridge doesn't mean it's okay for me to do the same. And the team did lose 2 important pieces from last year (Hags and the Prince).

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:37 am EST

And incidentally...this big cap crunch..."cap hell" as some have called it here and in the media...its funny how it's suddenly vanishing before our eyes and as of now, the only "casualty" --and I use this word loosely because I don't think he was such --was HAGELIN...maybe SHEPPARD... Granted, this could change, I suppose, if STEPAN wants $8 million plus...but even if he did...and given the Rangers have between $6.5 and $7.3 million...the most they'd need to clear is $1.5 million to sign him...There's still a lot of summer yet to shake out and lord knows what happens between now and September...but I think what we're likely looking at is a team that isn't appreciably different from the one that went to the conference finals, sans Hags, TALBOT, HUNWICK and SHEPPARD, plus RAANTA, ETEM, STALBERG, LINDBERG and McILRATH...so younger, stronger and tougher if that is, in fact, the swap that is being made this off-season.

tdchi


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:36 am EST

TD: I wonder if the Rangers are grappling with how much more development remains in Stepan's game. Has he reached his potential? If so, there's nothing wrong with that notion, but can you capture a cup with a 55 to 60 point number one centerman? So far for the Rangers, the answer is no (although I recognize in saying that it's not the only reason they've not captured hockey's holy grail yet). $7,000,000 for a 60 point centerman is a tad rich IMO. Stepan has been in the NHL for 5 seasons now and is moving into veteran status - is there room for growth in his game still?

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:29 am EST

Yeah I know - rather insignificant as we wait and wait and wait and wait for the Stepan situation to resolve itself. BTW, is Gorton ahead of his predecessor when it comes to signing the organization's RFAs? All signed, save for one which understandably is taking longer, by July 15. I don't recall Sather ever getting things done this quickly.

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:28 am EST

Well, if $7.3 million is what the Rangers have for STEPAN, then the only thing that must be holding up the deal is the length. There were some names thrown out here yesterday...comparables and what not...and KRECJI was mention...I think its the closest comparison player-wise out there...very similar players...very similar production..and though Krejci has the better stats...including four 60-plus point seasons and two incredible post-season performances...I think Step at 25 could soon reach his level of production...I'd be nice if the Rangers could get him down to a multi-year closer to BRASSARD'S hit...and ideally, it would be nice if the Rangers could give him a long-term deal...say seven or eight years at a $6 million to $6.5 million cap hit, rather than three or four years at $7 million-plus...either way, I think the Rangers have a little soul searching to do because they're either going to sign Step for a big cap hit or a long-term contract with a decent cap hit...either way, it's going to impact what they do in the coming years...and if there's any doubts about him being the top-line center, then they have about 10 days to work them out or move Step before he goes to arbitration...my gut still tells me this business with the Sabres' foolish spending on Ryan O'REILLY, who I don't view as a center who is better than or even equal to Stepan, is much ado about nothing...Sabres overspent on a contract they're already regretting...and personally, I think we'll end up with Step at five years and $6.7 million...but what do I know?

tdchi


Thu Jul 16 2015 7:19 am EST

Taylor Pyatt retires...

RF4L


Thu Jul 16 2015 6:12 am EST

"Assuming an opening night roster of 22 players, then, the Fast and Miller contracts bring GM Jeff Gorton’s budget to around $64.1 million for 21 players, leaving approximately $7.3 million under the NHL’s $71.4 million salary cap as Stepan seeks a new deal.".....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 16 2015 4:44 am EST

LeoS: the original team remains on the hook for their portion even if said player is traded again.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 16 2015 4:09 am EST

I have a question about moving players (like Yandle) who have other teams covering some of their salary/cap hit: Does the original team (in this case, Arizona) still cover the salary or does that somehow get voided? I vaguely recall that situation if we had traded Jagr when Wasgington was eating some of his salary; was that just unique to his situation? Just wondering, and thanks in advance :)

LeoS


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:24 pm EST

i have no clue no & one does but the folks negotiating but if i had to guess the upper limits are what others have said between 6.5 -6.75 lower end 5-5.75. And if i was to further speculate they agree to avoid arbitration go shorter term lower dollars to help the current situation and look to longer term deal when cap constraint goes up and folks like boyle, yandle, moore are gone. Barring an anomaly or major injury, players that continue to stay on par or improve the price always goes up - whether its in free agency or staying with current teams -thats any sport not just hockey. So take the risk early and buy out arb and free agency or wait and pay later - the teams almost always pay and the player seldom comes out on the short end unless you are Stephen Drew and don't sign at all- or JPP who just literally blew about 30 -40 million..

jim9k26


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:05 pm EST

MF.... HockeyBuzz has Megna over Lindberg(Subtract 50K for the substitution), they don't have MCI on the roster (Subtract 600K); they didn't subtract Duclair's bonus(Subtract 125K)... that would bring HockeyBuzz down to the $6.75 Mil number. We all agree!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:02 pm EST

jimk: OK, what will Stepan get? It's easy to dismiss those making predictions with numbers when you don't offer up counter numbers.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:01 pm EST

mf: Dunno what calculator you're using - did you steal it from Sather? If so, beware!

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:56 pm EST

bottom line plenty of room to get stepan done short or long term and still have room - he's not getting ROR money short or longer term aint happening now all the doom and gloomers can go away now starting with brooks. no offer sheet for miller at 2.5 million, no Lindberg at 1M and no fast at 1.5 + no 1+ million for MCI all garbage speculation i was seeing and so on. Gorton or Sather this was going to be the case. Stahlberg looks like crap he'll be in the minors and on waivers like he was last year 4 X's. will be a complete upset if Sheppard comes back, no other signings without a trade, this will be the team and the CAP won't be a problem.

jim9k26


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:46 pm EST

MF..... Brooks tweeted earlier that we are at $6.75 Mil with Stepan left to sign (Carrying the $125K overage on Duclair bonus). I ran the numbers myself and I have us exactly at $6,750,375 with Stepan left to sign. Shockingly,I actually agree with Brooks :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:29 pm EST

RF: check my post of 4:17 & yours at 4:18 http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR ........ $7,525,375 available with Stepan & Sheppard unsigned....

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 8:17 pm EST

We've got two number 25's....hope they don't take the ice together....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

WIOSA


Wed Jul 15 2015 8:12 pm EST

The Edmonton Oilers and defenseman Justin Schultz avoided salary arbitration Wednesday when they agreed to a one-year contract. Financial terms were not released, but Sportsnet reported Schultz will make $3.9 million this season. "It gives me another year to prove what I've got and hopefully that turns into a long-term deal in Edmonton," Schultz said in comments tweeted by the Oilers. Schultz and the Oilers were scheduled for a team-elected arbitration hearing July 24. Schultz, 25, had six goals and 25 assists in 81 games for the Oilers last season. He has 25 goals and 66 assists in 203 NHL games, all with Edmonton.

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 7:07 pm EST

KESLER for $6.8 million? For SIX YEARS?!? LOL...So glad he nixed a trade to the Rangers. You want to see cap mismanagement...well...there it is...I'd take STEPAN over him...especially with that contract...any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Kesler's body will be lucky if it carries him to 33, much less the duration of that contract...he's never duplicated the numbers he had during his last big payday and I doubt he'll ever get back to more than 30 goals.

tdchi


Wed Jul 15 2015 6:38 pm EST

STEVIE - That makes sense...Definitely a wide range then,,,Maybe it depends on who knows or blows (bribes) the arbitrator best!

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 5:56 pm EST

Hospo brassard should be in those numbers too....the range of guys is probably from 4.5 -7....that's my guess...not fact......

stevielegs


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:49 pm EST

Here is one the Stepan camp hopes isn't an RFA deal. Taveres with the NYI. He has an aav of 5.5 and a salary of 6. But I'm not sure if it's admissible or not. I think it takes him up to UFA and. Not into it.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:48 pm EST

WILD - Like I said, i'm no expert and I really can't say you're wrong, but just have read a few times that ROR's current contract for this coming year is admissable/comparable but anything to do with the extension isn't..Who the eff knows? We'll know soon enough..

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:43 pm EST

STEVIE - I honestly don't think the list of comparables (age, length of service, contract scenarios) is all that big....Can't see one being more apropp than ROR's but I'm sure the Rangers have one just as good, after all it's their job... Still betting on 6.5 mill if they don;t settle, which they should try to do.

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:43 pm EST

HOSPO: it could be my info is wrong. But a person within an NHL team ( not a CBA expert mind you) said that its once a player has an offer sheet signed that it excludes them due to the offer sheet skewing future negotiations. I have written some agents...but they don't respond of course.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:43 pm EST

HOSPO: it could be my info is wrong. But a person within an NHL team ( not a CBA expert mind you) said that its once a player has an offer sheet signed that it excludes them due to the offer sheet skewing future negotiations. I have written some agents...but they don't respond of course.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:37 pm EST

ror is not the only contract they will look at.....there are others making less to take in.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:34 pm EST

WILD - Have read in about 5 different places that it IS ADMISSABLE....And it really seems like the perfrect player comparson given their ages, scenarios,service etc...I am NO EXPERT but based on what i've read, I can't see STEPAN getting less than a few 100K more than ROR (around 6.5 mill)...Some of what you say makes sense also...We'll just have to wait and see...

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:27 pm EST

Hospo: but the Rangers can counter the ROR deal with guys who make 5.5 and are comparable...and since the ROR contract number was set by an offer sheet it may not be admissible.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:24 pm EST

Personally, I think we said good bye to SHEP the moment we signed that piece of trash STALBERG.........RF4L _ Stepan will likley take up every cent of that....or more....Isn't it true you can go over the Cap by at least a few mill (or is it 10%) until the beginning of the season?

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:18 pm EST

mf: Right now there's $6,575,000 of cap space left with Stepan remaining to be signed.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:17 pm EST

Stevie: $8,400,000 - $874,000 (JT Miller) = $7,526,000 Cap space remaining to sign Stepan & possibly Sheppard....

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:15 pm EST

RF4L - Right, neither side really wants to go to arbitration...And the team should defeinetley want to avoid it, not just beacuse of the money but the sourness of it all... The problem is, the Rangers just don't have much leeway for a market-value long contract unless they weaken the strength of the team--the defense..

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:13 pm EST

And Fast for $950,000...

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:12 pm EST

If I was Stepan/his agent, I would ask for 7-7.5 mill (knowing it is too high) as the Ranger will likely offer 5.5-6.0 knowing it is too low..I really can;t see Stepan getting awarded less than 6.5 mill based, at least partly, on a ROR current contract of 6.2 mill which they will defeintely use as a comparable since Stepan is, at the least, slighly ahead in career numbers in less games..and also plays in situations that ROR doesn't.......

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:12 pm EST

Pat Leonard ✔ @PLeonardNYDN J.T. Miller signs one-year, $874K ....moof do that math....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:11 pm EST

Oh...well I still think my concern from the player's side during the arbitration hearings should be something the Rangers are doing their best to avoid. IMO, in most cases, no one really wins when that happens (which is why they are relatively infrequent given the number each year that start down that road).

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:04 pm EST

Cap Limit is $71,400,000........We currently have $63,000,000 in signed Cap Hit contracts, leaving $8,400,000 in cap room.... This does NOT include JT Miller or Stepan, and leaves Sheppard unsigned...

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:02 pm EST

RF4L: all of those are UFA deals and can not be used in arbitration. Yes in negotiations but they could be 500k apart 6.25 against 6.75 minutes before the hearing and go into the hearing with offers 2 million apart. One does not affect the other. Actually the effect it can have is forcing Stepan to take less in the first two years of a deal thus lowering the aav but still paying him 7+ in his UFA years.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:51 pm EST

I'm confused. Are you saying those 3 contracts cannot be used in arbitration? If so, why not? And they will be used during negotiations between the sides up to arbitration. And all that said, do the Rangers really want to go there? Have Stepan sit there and listen to why the Rangers think he doesn't deserve the same sort of money those guys are getting (yes, without mentioning their names), all 3 of who weren't first line centers last year. They are going to shoot down his game to justify their low offer. I realize it's business and that Stepan knows what he's getting into here but that's been said many times previously in these situations and the player, if he loses, often takes those words personally and it affects their game. The team, on the other hand, doesn't face that - just the notion of having to pay more for a player than they want to or can afford to. It can be unpleasant stuff for sure.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:47 pm EST

RF4L: my thoughts exactly. A 30 year old Kessler great even 31-33 year old great. But 34-36 year old probably not. Step even with a 8 year deal would only be 33 so it's not quite apples to apples.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:45 pm EST

Right now I'd take Kesler but over 5 years (which is the length of Kesler's new deal) I'd definitely take Stepan.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:44 pm EST

The last two I take Step. But again. What does it have to do with arbitration

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:43 pm EST

But that's projecting Hayes taking a step and Brass continuing to produce at or above last season. Stephan gets more points that Kessler, but right now Kesler is more polished...but that's due to experience and age.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:41 pm EST

Statsny or Stepan?

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:40 pm EST

Krejci or Stepan?

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:40 pm EST

Probably Kesler for now...but long term Step...just due to age. But what the heck does that have to do with anything when it comes to Arbitration?

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:38 pm EST

Who would you rather have Wild? Kesler or Stepan?

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:31 pm EST

I would bet Stpans agent comes in with a 6.75 offer. And the Arbitator gives him a 6-6.25. I have said it would be 6, that's the middle of all the comparable contracts in the NHL for last season.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:30 pm EST

Stevie: yes. Cap space is not something that can be used...by either side.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:29 pm EST

RF4L: 6.8! Really. Using who as a comparison? That's how they do it. And usually end up in the middle. The Rangers will come in a 5 or 5.5 ( that's low of course) but how could Steps agent using existing comparable players be above 6.5 let alone 7? No one makes that much.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:22 pm EST

I assume the arbitrator doesn't take the cap into consideration on stepan. .....the fisherman has 1 more river to swim thru.....he's done a decent job, leaving the big challenge for last......

stevielegs


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:20 pm EST

Or the Rangers will sit back and watch the arbitrator give him $6,800,000.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:15 pm EST

RF4L: Sure more ammo for Step...and the Rangers can sit back and have an arbitrator give him 6.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:14 pm EST

RF4L: But he was gone long enough for the LTIR to account for the Vermette contract. Don't give them credit for something unplanned. Without that injury the deal could not have been made. They were up against the cap. Theresa no great management of the cap there. Again, it would be like Nash being hurt on LTIR.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:11 pm EST

Kane was back before the POs....

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:10 pm EST

Yes I say it's needed. It was needed last year and wasn't there so Sather overpaid to get Yandle. Those are risky trades and shouldn't have to be made. It's for me lousy cap management. I know you disagree and will argue endlessly with me on this, so let's not. It's all a matter of opinion anyways.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:09 pm EST

RF4L: Seriously. No they did not. That was only becsaue they have Kane (or was it Tawes) on LTIR they ended just at the beginning of the post season. If he hadn't gotten hurt they wouldn't have been able to add more than 1 mil to their roster. Don't say they left room when they only had the "luck" of a major injury to a star player making bigger money. That would be like saying Sather did a good job with the cap last year if Nash went in the LTIR and they went and traded for a top 6 F for the cup run. Its not true, just dumb luck.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:08 pm EST

Ryan Kesler just signed a long term deal at $6,875,000 per. Who's better? He or Stepan. Either way, more ammunition for the Stepan camp.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:06 pm EST

RF4L: YOU say its needed. But that only IDEAL. They have 2.85 in bonus cushion (don't want to use much of that however since it counts against next season) but they don't HAVE to have cap room if they feel they have enough depth. Again not ideal, but not impossible.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:06 pm EST

Wild: The Hawks left themselves enough room to add what turned out to be a crucial piece of their latest cup win prior to the deadline with Vermette.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:04 pm EST

A move has to come if Stepan is resigned for anything more than $5,500,000, which he surely will. Alas, it'll probably be jettisioning KK because that's the easiest solution, not necessarily the best one. Now it's Gorton time - let's see what he can do. So far, good job of keeping the contracts reasonable, but I'd argue not that difficult - he/the Rangers had all the leverage.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 3:01 pm EST

So Miller is looking for a raise next year, which he'll get if he can build on what he appeared to start in the POs. It's on him. This is why the CBA was written this way, at least from the owners' part. Limit the leverage for young, unproven players, especially early on. It's only in Edmonton where they repeatedly handed out big $$ on post ELC contracts. It's basically postponing the pain, but reasonable because it's up the players to set the pain level!

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:52 pm EST

So Step is the last FA left on the Rangers (at least the ones they look to want to keep) they still have Bodie at the AHL level, but he wont be not he NHL roster this year at all most likely.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:51 pm EST

just after "camp" not "came"

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:50 pm EST

Ola: I would bet he wants a summer house in his home country....wouldn't be the first guy to do that.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:49 pm EST

Miller is arbitration eligible next summer.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:48 pm EST

About 6.87 to get Stepan under the cap. If they get him at 6.5 per they would have only 370K to start the season...or 1.11 at the deadline (give or take) Would think a move may still be coming...maybe not soon, maybe just after came or the start of the season If McIlrath is showing well Klein could go, or if Lindberg blows them away Moore could end up going. Or both....but thats a lot of good stuff happening for the kids so the likelihood isn't that high.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:46 pm EST

Good news on Fast. I heard he was looking for a house in Sweden a while back and was like WTF has he had it with NA? But like always with stuff like that nothing is ever certain. The info was good for sure, but there can probably be 100 different explanations....

Ola


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:46 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie 18s19 seconds ago Fast in at $950,000 per on two-year deal, Miller takes one year qualifier at approx $874,000...Rangers done with roster RFAs pending Stepan.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 2:39 pm EST

Fast has be signed..no terms as of yet

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 1:47 pm EST

RF4L: Just about every cup contender spends to the cap every year. Its the way you can get a good enough team to win. Unless your lucky and have your top players under entry level deals its nearly impossible to be much below the cap. IMHO spending almost every penny IS good cap management. Now we can argue over what players are signed and for how much (i.e. Glass and Stalberg and Boyle) but spending right to the cap isn't bad Management, its what you do with that cap money that determines that.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 1:04 pm EST

Was looking at the 2016 Mock draft & they have The Yotes penciled in at #20 with our 2016 1st round pick, I want that 1st back from them... AND, of all the players penciled in with that pick, they list SEAN DAY who I'd like to see in a Ranger jersey... This is a big kid, LHS Defenseman who is way ahead of his age. I think he may be 17......

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 12:19 pm EST

I saw Miller's cap hit at $894,166 and salary at $950,000. I don't get how those numbers don't match, but if they qualify him and Fast, then yes it looks like they can pay Stepan $7,000,000 but leaves basically no cap space and that is bad management IMO (the extra cost to get Yandle is more than enough evidence of that).

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 12:15 pm EST

that and the term used is "earned" I don't know if they just mean if he is on the roster for a full 186 days or not. If not that Miller "earned" less than his recorded salary since he spent time in the AHL. But I think its based off of the contracts amount assuming he played a full season...again though, I can't find the actual legal stuff, just what others have hashed out of it.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 12:06 pm EST

just looked...Miller made more than 600K and less than 1 mil so his offer must be 105% of the last deal. So 874,650 would be his qualifier.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 12:03 pm EST

RF4L: His qualifying offer is 916K. His salary was 833K, I don't remember all the rules but I know know signing bonuses and other bonuses do not count. Actually his QO might be 874, can't remember when it goes from 5% to 10% for a qualifier....but under certain circumstances its just 5%.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:58 am EST

Miller is coming off a $950,000/year contract. The Rangers have to qualify him higher than that. If they dared float a $600,000 offer to him I hope he tells them to phuck off.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:50 am EST

RF4L - I hear ya. So funny how newspapers...already struggling for readership...flock to those video ads, which bog down their sites and steer away traffic. The Post is a great example of that...just a clusterf@ck of a site...which oddly enough, is fitting for their brand of journalism. The editor there used more than 16 reporters to track down a homeless guy who was caught pissing in his neighborhood...wrote like three front page articles on the guy too. That paper is a travesty.

tdchi


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:48 am EST

mf - definitely wasn't me...I'd never argue that moving a guy from center to wing would 'ruin his career'...I'd never say that about any center moving to wing. It's an easy adjustment that way, IMO...I did argue I thought(and still think) MILLER is more suited to be a center than he is wing...but even in his case, I don't think the move to wing will hurt him whatsoever...also said I thought HAYES would be better fit at wing...and while my opinion of him at center has improved, I still generally feel that to be the case...only thing I've ever said about LINDBERG is that he needed another season in Hartford to really hone his skill...and that having happened, my firm belief is that he's ready for the show and could be a real asset on the Rangers bottom two...whether its at wing or at center is irrelevant...his skills are fitting for both positions...at the middle, you'd get a bit more of his faceoff prowess...but he's a two-way player...as good defensively as he is offensively...and players like that shouldn't have any problem adjusting to the flank.

tdchi


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:44 am EST

JFC: as I said. Best case and I don't foresee that. However I could see Fast take 650-750 on a one year deal so he can show his stuff as a regular from day one. Miller I think they will try to get at 975 or less just as a reminder that he can be sent down and to keep him motivated. Probably one year. These one year deals help now but sure do cramp next summers cap. But if they all do well vets like Klein could be moved to open up the needed space to get all the guys resigned.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:35 am EST

I'd be very surprised to see Fast & Miller be offered the same $$ as McI....these are 2 guys who played at a very high level in the POs. To offer an unproven rookie the same amount would be a huge slap in the face to both.

JFC31


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:16 am EST

If they can get both Fast and Miller in at 600K AND they can somehow get Step at 5.75 and didn't touch the rest of the cap space at the deadline they could bring a guy making about 4 mil in. Don't forget, the remaining cap at the deadline can be multiplied by about 3 times when you look t full season cap hits since a guy who makes 4 mil or so would only have about 1.5 mil left to pay after the deadline. Of course thats BEST case scenario, I doubt its that good for the Rangers. If Step gets 6.25 and Fast and Miller get 650K they will have about 1 mil left or a 3 mil AAV at the deadline and thats without moving a player out in the trade, and that would be likely if they make a move for a player because the kids being kept up will all need waivers to go down (save perhaps Fast but there is a games played limit regardless before waivers are needed) so if they aded a player in the trade they could of course take on a larger contract. All of that is all guessing of course...but at least now we are not looking at guessing 5 contracts and we are down to a couple.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 11:01 am EST

I'm stoked to hear the dollar amounts of these contracts currently being signed... McIlrath signed for $500K less than I had expected, & Lindberg $200K less.... "IF" these dollar ranges stay consistent with ETEM, & then Miller & Fast to $1mill or less, we can afford Stepan up to $7mill (not that I want to us to go that high or higher)... In addition, "IF" McIlrath makes a K.Klein expendable, AND, 1 or 2 of Etem, Stalberg, Glass, shit the bed or can be moved, we will actually be able to afford a top six player.... RF4L: No, we will not have any Xmas fund after this scenario... Boo Hoo, the scrooge.....

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:57 am EST

Rhet: Tahts because someone let him know that ROR and his contract can't be used in Arbitration. YES I KNOW for all those who will say but the ROR contract comes into play in negotiations...but the Rangers will tell them to pound sand, they have some control over the next 2 years, he may get PAID more in 3 years but the AAV will not be at that level. Sometimes fans get too tied up in cap hit and relate it to pay, and they are two entirely different things. He can make MORE than ROR in those years 3-6 or whatever, but have a lower cap hit. I imagine thats what both sides would be OK with. Brooks was laser focused on the worst case scenario (as usual) and couldn't see what will likely happen in arbitration... 6 mil would be the safe bet to make, maybe just above, maybe just below, but I have been guessing 6 mil for some time.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:52 am EST

my bad, did my math wrong...its 8.7 plus or minus a few grand left. Now you give Stepan 6.5 if it goes to arbitration, maybe even if it doesn't, leaving 2.2, if Miller and Fast average 750K each that leaves 700K. Not great but that will end up being a bigger full year contract at the deadline....probably like a 2-2.2 mil AAV contract or something like that. Now if They both average 650K that means 950K left over...still not great but not over the cap, and thats the important part.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:46 am EST

MCI's $600 is a Great deal for the NYR. It will allow them to keep him on the roster and not force them to trade another d-man. Not that they wont, but it prevents the deal from turning into a salary dump. It's very important for leverage ...BTW, missed in Brooks piece yesterday was that he quietly back peddled on Stepan's cap hit. He said he is likely l have a cap hit of between $5.75 million and $6.75 million(that's a long way from $7.5 Mil) .

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:39 am EST

RF4L: More like 8.9 mil. Again every site that shows cap hits has guys listed who likely will not be on the roster come opening day...let alone all the way through camp. I know its not a big difference, but its there. Seeing how these RFAs have signed, I would be shocked to see Fast and Miller get much more than these other guys. Maybe a little more but I can't see all that much more. As for Bodie, he can still sign a two way deal I think, and unless they give him a deal of more than 975 (I think its 975K) he will not count against the cap even if it has to be a one way deal. But I doubt he makes more that that no matter what, so he will not count against the cap making it irrelevant when it comes to a cap discussion.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:11 am EST

The Rangers signed Dylan Mcillrath to a 1 year deal...supposedly

WIOSA


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:03 am EST

York18 - Au contraire..I like LINDBERG..Very solid two way player..The best forward in Hartford from the games I saw...As a Center, though, I just don't think he's ready to be in the top 3 in NY (Step-Brass-Hayes/Miller) nor ready to take over for Dom Moore.I think he should make the team as an extra forward and he will get plenty of chances as the season goes along....Just how I see it..Same as I felt with JT MILLER...Always loved the kid as a prospect but jest never saw evidence that he was ready to contribute consistently in the NHL...But, I think he's ready now...I;ll probably feel the same about Lindberg in another year..

Hospo


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:02 am EST

Wild: Isn't Bodie's contract irrelevant because he'll surely be in the AHL again? Or does his age (25) mean that's not possible??

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 10:00 am EST

Something like $8,600,000 now to resign Stepan, Fast and Miller (and keep some money for Christmas). Things are tight. Now we wait - will Stepan stay or go?

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:58 am EST

IMO, smart deal by McI. First and foremost, it's more than reasonable to project he'll be in the NHL this year, either with the Rangers or elsewhere. If he performs well, because this is a one year deal, he'll get more money next year. Secondly, his just ended contract was a 2 -way deal that paid him just $67,000/year. I don't know if this new deal is a 2-way but if he's a legitimate NHLer (i.e. he doesn't pass thru waivers to be farmed out, by either the Rangers or the team that picks him up if/when the Rangers first waive him) he's looking at a significant rate of compensation increase (almost tenfold).

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:48 am EST

Stepan, Miller, Fast, Bodie left to be signed as RFAs. I would bet that Bodie and his agent are trying to get a one way deal, OR a larger AHL paycheck because he wont be int he NHL much if at all this season so I could see him trying to secure a decent payday, he may not have another chance to make good money as a pro. So he made 70K last years in the AHL, I bet his agent is trying to get him 100-150K for AHL pay.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:37 am EST

To me its clear. These young kids want a shot at making the team, even as a spare part, they could have gotten a little more money, I am sure if McIlrath pressed he could have had 750-800K for a 1 year or 2 year deal, no reason to think otherwise, yeah he hasn't done anything at the NHL level, but he last deal without bonuses was 800+ per (for NHL level at least) so you would think he would sign the QO and that had to be higher than 600K. So I think these kids are being told, "if we can fit you under the cap it will be easier for you to hang around longer" and they are jumping at the chance to fight for a spot. Should be a good camp. With the cap tight, a guy like McIlrath could force them to move a D, and Lindberg could force them to move a F. I know everyone seems to say Moore is untouchable, I think that is overblown, I like him as a 4th line C, but he isn't world beater, and if Lindberg shows in camp and preseason to be better they may move moore...OR move Hayes to wing and have Lindberg be the 3rd line C....in any case, They have a couple young players with potential on 1 year deals who will be out to prove something, and having to prove something is never a bad thing. They also have Stalberg trying to prove the last two years were a fluke and he can do more along the lines of his best year in Chicago, so he could have a big year. Than you have Kreider trying to prove he can take the next step for his next contract, and Hayes as well. Lots of guys trying to prove something this season, and that can lead to very good things for the team overall.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:31 am EST

McIlrath is on a 1 year one way 600K deal. another guy that can fit under cap nicely.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:27 am EST

RF4L: Yes I understand its normal for guys to take a bit to learn the system under AV, but perhaps Sheppard was having a even more difficult time and that is the reason he wasn't used as much or resigned. And if its a hockey IQ problem, that might be why he hasn't signed don anyplace else either. The boneyard of higher rated prospects who can't get to the NHL due to hockey IQ is overflowing....its not that uncommon...well its becoming less uncommon as the systems at the lower level get better and you need higher IQ to compete there as well, but still it happens. He may be best served by going to the KHL of something for a season or two, working his game, making some money than coming back to the NHL to give it another shot. Seems to work out well for players to do that.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:24 am EST

mf: A bunch of them...including from the Rangers official account no terms as of yet that I have seen

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:08 am EST

Any tweets that The Rangers and McIlrath agree on a contract?

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 9:02 am EST

OK, who was the Wallster that posted here last year stating that having Lindberg suited up on the wing would jeopardize his career? TD if it was you, I call, "BS with the intent to confuse a CJC member!" ;-) .... As for Brooksie and the Post, they're no more guilty of having an agenda than any other rag... Wish Brooks brought us more behind the scenes news....

mf


Wed Jul 15 2015 7:46 am EST

TD: You know what gets me the most about the online version of the Post? It's so loaded with videos and funky ads that more often than not the page hangs and then reloads. When it happens consecutively, I close it down and don't finish reading the article, which is counterproductive to the ads that are placed there. Mind you, each reload probably counts as a hit to the page/article!

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 7:42 am EST

Wild: Yandle had problems adjusting to AV's system. So did Boyle. I guess, however, it's different when you're an UFA 4th liner. Still, if it's clear he's not in the Rangers plans, why hasn't he signed elsewhere. I am hoping he'll be back - I like what he brought to the team and feel he'd become an important contributor if he could get a regular shift. The Rangers need his size IMO.

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 7:36 am EST

RF4L: I read at some point there were concerns with Shepards hockey IQ, and than right before the playoffs he said he was having a really hard time with AVs system. Now it's not unusual but perhaps he was having a harder time than normal and maybe scouts see his hockey smarts issues more than us fans. It's the only thing that really makes sense to me. Because he has the size, skill set above a 4th liner, and competitive drive along with toughness. If he isn't signed soon than there must be some other issue, because to price himself out he would need to be north of 2mil per and at this point of UFA I can't imagine he would still be at that level

Wildcard


Wed Jul 15 2015 7:16 am EST

I find the Sheppard situation somewhat puzzling. I like what he brought to the Rangers and thought he was underused, if not misused. So why hasn't he been signed by another team? Does he want to stay in NY and has been promised a contract by the Rangers but has been told to wait while the RFA mess is cleared up? Or is he pricing himself out of the market in general? Surely it can't be no one is interested....

RF4L


Wed Jul 15 2015 6:54 am EST

Re: Brooksie...Tough to say whether Brooks' style is Brooks or whether it's just the NY Post. I know people who have previously worked and do work at that hell-hole and let me tell you: Unless you're making waves, you don't have a job. Simple as that. The Post is more concerned about getting people to pick up the paper than it is about getting it right. And that's not unique to one section either. Simply a call from the guy running it...Sure, Brooks rocks the boat A LOT more than his counterparts at other papers...but often, it's at the whim of what he's hearing(or in the wall's case...reading) from fans. In other words, he caters to them and not the Rangers or accuracy. I mean, I'm far from a fan of John Tortorella...but his explosions at Brooks weren't exactly unprovoked...dare I say sometimes they were even warranted...now personally, I don't think he's as loose and fast a reporter as he reads...At times, he's a very good journalist and makes very cogent points...but I think he realizes that if he doesn't make a sensational headline, there are scores of young, eager reporters more than willing to toe the line in his place...and I wouldn't doubt for one second that he's a pariah among the Rangers and the team's staff. That's a general rule of thumb for Post reporterd. They ask questions and come to the conclusion their editors dictate...now on his take on LINDBERG, we have another instance of Brooksie pulling from the wall...what...like three or four days ago we were talking about how Lindberg will either need to make the team or pass through waivers...simple math...he's gonna make the team. Question now is whether he starts. I think if the Rangers don't see HAYES at wing and do hold onto STEPAN, I could easily see them swapping Lindberg over to wing. That's an easy transition for a player of his ilk...and frankly, I think he'd do just fine playing on fourth with MOORE and GLASS...this "last chance" business is kind of...well...really a crock...it's really his first chance at making the team...Think SHEPPARD not getting resigned yet or likely at all is a good indicator of where they feel Lindberg is...JMHO.

tdchi


Wed Jul 15 2015 6:09 am EST

Hospo not sure what your dislike of Lindberg is but it's really obvious he can't do this or can't do that it's only the ahl well where was zucc mcD girardi fast talbot etc prior to making the club if we went with your thinking Hayes should have never even played a game for the rangers last year because he never played pro hockey.

York18


Wed Jul 15 2015 6:07 am EST

Hospo not sure what your dislike of Lindberg is but it's really obvious he can't do this or can't do that it's only the ahl well where was zucc mcD girardi fast talbot etc prior to making the club if we went with your thinking Hayes should have never even played a game for the rangers last year because he never played pro hockey.

York18


Wed Jul 15 2015 5:24 am EST

Limburger hopefully will be the 3 rd line center . That was what lb was saying .

stevielegs


Wed Jul 15 2015 5:19 am EST

I agree with lb on Limburger not replacing Moore as 4 th line center.

stevielegs


Wed Jul 15 2015 4:00 am EST

Hospo what are you basing your assessment of Lindberg on? Meanwhile, one of the best perks of watching the Niederrmayer brothers play was yelling Dead at the tv every time their name was mentioned. Especially when Scott was killing us as a Devil. If only we could draft a Marmellar...and then mf has to go and change the movie channel :)

LeoS


Tue Jul 14 2015 11:33 pm EST

RHET - I'm sorry but BROOKS is 100% correct about Lindberg not having the FO ability, checking game and penalty killing on the NHL level that DOm Moore has...In the AHL yes and maybe One day in the NHL, but not even close right now to one of the better two-way 4th centers (More towards defense/PK/FO) in the game..IMWO, he will not replace MOORE (or anybody higher) except for injury or failure (I.e. Stalberg or Etem, both very possible)..

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 9:35 pm EST

Mf hyman Roth or Meyer lansky?

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 9:12 pm EST

And when they leave The Rangers...........Barzini is dead. So is Phillip Tattaglia. Moe Greene. Stracci. Cuneo. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent. Admit what you did.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zs61pakiIY

mf


Tue Jul 14 2015 9:07 pm EST

Just maybe, RICK NASH had a "red hot" year with the help of his line-mates.......

mf


Tue Jul 14 2015 8:51 pm EST

stevie -- it's defintely a relatively small window they have for their careers, but if they get just one good contract, like Zucc just did, they are set for LIFE....guaranteed money. $16 million....does a guy need more than that to live on? I don't begrudge any player his ability to make whatever he can make....that's free market economics. If he wants to be the highest paid player in history just because of his ego or he wants to max out because of,his ego, I may find that distasteful but it's his right. The owners wouldn't pay it it was going to hurt them financially. Sports teams are just their playthings.

JFC31


Tue Jul 14 2015 8:49 pm EST

Rhet what I read Brooks said either he makes the team or he'll be claimed. The rest I didn't read.

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 8:26 pm EST

BTW, I have no idea who the Oscar Lindberg was that Brooks was talking about in his column, but he has nothing to with the NYR prospect, Oscar Lindberg. "The Swede doesn’t appear to have the checking game, faceoff prowess or penalty-killing ability to replace Dominic Moore as the Blueshirts’ fourth-line center." Clearly by making this statement, Brooks has never seen the guy play or even who he is. Lindberg is a very solid 2-way forward who is excellent at faceoffs. Whoever wrote his headline is also clueless. "Oscar Lindberg gets $1.3M and one last chance to make Rangers." One last chance? Last year would have been his first chance and there was no roster spot open for him, so his last chance is this season? How does that make any logical sense? .....Schneidw.... I have to agree with Wiosa. Brassard is one of my favorite players on the team, but Step is definitely more talented. He averages more PPG than Brass and Bassard played with a red hot Rick Nash. Stepan will get his points no matter who he plays with. He is also a more complete player. I would take a flyer on Semin(sorry Wiosa) but for less than $2 Mil. Does Pitt realize that scoring is not their biggest needs? (JMO).

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 14 2015 8:24 pm EST

when you only have 5-15 years to make your money, it's a different point of view.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 8:09 pm EST

Olà -- "whose to say" is just an expression, it's not aimed at any one, not aimed at you. Anyway, you didn't say it was "wrong" for a player to jump ship solely for more money, you said you don't "like" the player after they do that and there's nothing wrong with that either....it's understandable to get pissed off when a guy is gonna leave or force a trade because he wants $1 mil more for 5 years when in reality, if he left that $5 mil.behind, he'd still have enough GUARANTEED money to live 3 lifetimes. I look at a guy like Zucc and he seems to have a great attitude about the whole process...he said he felt like thenRangers had his best friends on it and it was lie,his family and THAT was more important than money. It's a win-win because Zucc STILL made enough $$ that he will never have to work a day in his life after he retires. I think that is the approach many of us would like to see in our favorite athletes....makes it easy to root for them without any "class envy"

JFC31


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:37 pm EST

Schneider....Oh no not Semin, ptooey, perish the thought. He's a head case, lazy difficult. Seriously I want to see the locker room that houses Semin, Crosby, Malkin and Kessel. I don't think they make rooms big enough.....As for Stepan, v Brassard, I know Av kept shuffling lines, but who had Nash the most? and who had MSL?

WIOSA


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:18 pm EST

23 man roster? I don't know what Brooks is talking about. Kostka was our 8th D-man and he was only up with the team for a total of 7 games last year and that was including covering for injuries. The NYR will run with a 22 man roster: 13 Forwards, 7 Defensemen and 2 Goalies. Right now, McIlrath is on the outside looking in. It's up to him to win a spot and if he does, Klein will get traded(IMO). if he doesn't, he'll have to clear waivers to be sent down.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 14 2015 6:52 pm EST

D STEPAN: I like Stepan.... Solid 2 way player, NYR draftee and USA development and Big 10 NCAA etc.. He is very good defensively and has an excellent vision and passing ability and chips in the occasional goal... with that stated, I don't think he qualifies as a first line center... a solid 2nd liner for sure... and I argue he shouldn't be paid more than D BRASSARD... Just not fair or good business...

schneidw


Tue Jul 14 2015 6:49 pm EST

A.. SEMIN: I have seen rumours that PITT is trying to sign SEMIN to a short term deal to play w MALKIN.... SEMIN has size, skill and some speed but really has dropped off statistically to the point, I would be dubious of signing him... but then again, he could slot nicely in St Louis spot....if he is willing to play for $2M/yr

schneidw


Tue Jul 14 2015 6:26 pm EST

That's what happens in sathers world, the player and agent get demonized...and the fisherman is with sather....and fans hate the guys who are gone or want gone... Bazookerella gets well deserved adoration except for not ducking.... Stepan has to do the math ....poor guy.... lol

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 6:18 pm EST

OLA - I don't blame guys for leaving for ANY reason...It's a business and it's their life to do with as they please..It's managements job to sell them somehow that NY is where they want to be when they have a choice..And you're right..Once there gone it's...Boyle?...Dead!! Stralman??..Dead!! Callahan?? ..Dead!!..Stepan??......Dead!!

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 5:57 pm EST

JFC- Re who's to say Stepan or someone else is wrong going after the money. That's exactly my point, I can say it. Anyone else here can say it. We are fans of the NYR. Many/most players takes less to stay. I can choose to not like Stepan if I want to. This is not an audience to become Dr Phil's predecessor... Truth to be told, I don't at all like Cally's move to Tampa. He was given the C and then bolts to a rival for a few % more. He can go **** himself. I would feel the same way if Step pulled off something like that.

Ola


Tue Jul 14 2015 5:42 pm EST

Gorton didn't just get hired he has been here as sathers right hand man and was supposed to be the cap guy for sather he is as much to blame for te current situation as sather is that's just fact

York18


Tue Jul 14 2015 5:28 pm EST

STEVIE - STEP is by far the biggest name and ticket item in that group...Teams don't like going to arbitration with their best players for many reasons..But this is where Sather's bridge under troubled waters has lead to

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 5:02 pm EST

Sioux on July 14, 2015 4:21 pm Only 20 NHL players are going to arbitration this year. Will it take until the 27th until Step is a Ranger? Arizona Coyotes: Philip Samuelsson (July 21) B.C., Brendan Shinnimin (July 20) Calgary Flames: Lance Bouma (July 22), Paul Byron (July 30), Josh Jooris (July 28) UC Colorado Avalanche: Andrew Agozzino (July 20), Mat Clark (July 22) Edmonton Oilers: Justin Schultz (July 24) * UW Minnesota Wild: Erik Haula (July 31) MN Nashville Predators: Craig Smith UW (July 20), Colin Wilson (July 28) BU New Jersey Devils: Eric Gelinas (July 21), Adam Larsson (July 29) New York Rangers: Derek Stepan (July 27) UW Ottawa Senators: Alex Chiasson (July 23) BU, Mike Hoffman (July 30) Philadelphia Flyers: Michael Del Zotto (July 21) Toronto Maple Leafs: Jonathan Bernier (July 31)* Washington Capitals: Braden Holtby (July 23), Marcus Johansson (July 29) - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/13/guest-blogger-jeff-yerger-yay-the-presidents-trophy/#sthash.07jrKxxV.VONbgofo.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:33 pm EST

hospo the math is above my pay grade ....they again will have to punt with stepan , and hope they get him for 2 years @$6 mil per from arbitration or just before it.....and they will use stepan to beat the other unsigned guys down.....and they call it a home team discount......the chips made this mess by giving mr donut dui 7 per.......and sather screwed up as usual , but he will twist it to make himself right......

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:24 pm EST

STEVIE - Subtract Stalberg, instead of throwing away 1 mil, and it would have been possible..But hey, he's a fellow Swede! So, instead, now we may deal Klein or Yandle and weaken the strength of the team--a strong, versatile, very economical defense..I sure as hell hope not

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:17 pm EST

WILD - I see it different from you..I see him getting 6-6.5 mill if he has to SETTLE for a short term arbitration award...What BOTH the Rangers and Step want is a long term contract through his best years ...STEP would be foolish to not go for 7/7.5 mill per year for many years ..If the Rangers can't or don't then arbitration it is, and too many things can go wrong that way...JMWO...Better yet, contract too expensive, trade his ass...I'd be fine with that if they could get decent value...Which is questionable now

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:06 pm EST

WIOSA: I'm hoping Gorton realizes the foolishness of doing so and addresses it. We'll see. Sather left him a cap nightmare - no wonder that old fart ran away! LOL....

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:05 pm EST

stevie: Further evidence that the Rangers simply cannot afford to resign Stepan at anything close to $7,000,000/per without another roster player of significance being traded, IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:02 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie Rangers have just a tad under $10M for Stepan, Miller, Fast, McIlrath (or another D) to complete 23-man roster.

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 4:02 pm EST

RF4L, doesn't look like he has much choice. Unless management is ok with him forgoing a cup, and he starts a partial rebuild (read, not really going for it, not waiving it off either, just putting butts in the seats). Kind of hard to hold his feet to the fire on this budget.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:41 pm EST

tdchi that is my point as well - its a business decision when the player makes it or when the team makes it.

Topovski


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:39 pm EST

Because his qualifier was more than 650K, I think it was 880 or so. But just one year and two way (I think anyway it was still two way) so I figured they would get him for a one way deal for 2-3 years with an AAV of between 850k-1 mil. 650 is just above the minimum...only 75k more than Bourque and I know the team sees him as better that Bourque...

Wildcard


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:35 pm EST

Hospo: he has a ball peen hammer. Don't over low his strength. An arbitration will likely come in at near 6 per and 2 years. He can't force a 7+ deal only force arbitration. If he mopes around and doesn't play well he will not be able to demand more in 2 years. The Rangers have that little hammer in their corner. They will get two years of service out of a top end player...after that they may be retooling anyway. Maybe Hayes will be the number 1 and they can move step before he hits UFA. Basically Step is still in a bit of a corner, what he could make vs what an arbitrator will give him could be 1-1.5 difference, I think that's why the Rangers haven't pushed negotiations, they know he isn't going anywhere unless they want him to.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:34 pm EST

I sure hope Gorton doesn't mirror his predecessor and go into the season with zero cap room. It's just bad management IMO.

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:27 pm EST

WILD - Why would you have had LINDBEGER at 1 mill...650K is about right for what he is (a Possible 12th/13th forward) and done (good at the AHL)

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:27 pm EST

td: the Rangers may see Hags as a 2.75-3 per guy and saw the writing on the wall that he was going north of that. I said t before even with the cap space they may have moved on from him.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:26 pm EST

RF4L - Pesronally, I think Stepan has the right and duty to extract every last cent possible from the Rangers..As a player, he was hammered by Sather and told to shut up and pefrorm and you will get your money...Well, he has the hammer and he needs to swing it as hard as possible for all NHL players that get stiffed by owners..Don't settle for less than 7 -7.5 mill on a long term contract...Rangers don't or won;t do? Sather's screw up.....The only solution will be to trade one of KLEIN or YANDLE....SHouldn;t have wasted 1..1 million on garbage like STALBERG for 10th /11th forward,

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:26 pm EST

RF4L: may seem small but it's more like 9.1 mil. The 8.7 includes bothe Adams and Gibbons Lindberg will match one of those two plus 50K the other 600K will fall off so 9.1 mil. And don't be too sure 1.7 will not be enough, I don't think anyone saw Lindberg at 650 for 2 years. I had him at about 1 mil we may be surprised by the other two as well.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:01 pm EST

Toprovski - Rangers never bothered to negotiate with HAGELIN, IMO, because it was pretty darn clear he wasn't in their long-term plans. whether it was this year or next year, the guy was going to be commanding $3.5 million-plus. And with who they need to sign this and next year? Think of it this way...I don't need to negotiate for a Porshe. I KNOW I can't afford it.

tdchi


Tue Jul 14 2015 3:01 pm EST

Toprovski - Rangers never bothered to negotiate with HAGELIN, IMO, because it was pretty darn clear he wasn't in their long-term plans. whether it was this year or next year, the guy was going to be commanding $3.5 million-plus. And with who they need to sign this and next year? Think of it this way...I don't need to negotiate for a Porshe. I KNOW I can't afford it.

tdchi


Tue Jul 14 2015 2:56 pm EST

2 signings at decent $$ but still leaves the Rangers with $8,700,000 to sign Stepan, Fast and Miller and, preferably, with cap space to spare. It's pretty obvious that even if the Rangers thought he's worth the $7,000,000/year figure, they cannot sign and keep Stepan at that figure. $1,700,000 for Fast and Miller simply isn't enough. Or else someone already signed will be traded for picks/prospects.

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 2:28 pm EST

1.5mm for the pair

puckyou


Tue Jul 14 2015 2:28 pm EST

Lindberg 2 yrs 650k per-correction

puckyou


Tue Jul 14 2015 2:21 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie 6m6 minutes ago Etem in for $850,500 qualifier, Lindberg in for two years at $600,000 per. #NYR 2 retweets 6 favorites Reply Retweet2 Favorite6 More

puckyou


Tue Jul 14 2015 1:43 pm EST

I don't read BROOKS much anymore but he is the only NY Ranger beat writer that I'll occassionaly read other than tweets...At least he comes up with something original and antagonistic now and then....Now, I do think he's full of shit half the time, but it's better then the other line-toeing wimps in Gross, Cerny, Zipp, Carp, not too mention the newer bozo bloggers trying to get in the good graces of th Rangers.. etc....As far as Brooks being "shunned" by the Rangers, alot of the time that happens when they foolishly cross the lien and write abiut some locker room turmoil or personal tiff that all teams think are off limits..JUust a thought.

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 1:12 pm EST

Adam Rotter @AdamRotter Rangers sign Emerson Etem http://on.sny.tv/1HszJzS

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 1:03 pm EST

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2517499-grading-the-top-offseason-moves-for-the-new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 12:37 pm EST

What WILD is saying is true black listed is a strong word but he was treated with a heavy neglect and from what I heard was told if it happens again he will get nothing. Wild is not making this up at all I never spoke about it because I didn't find it relevant to be honest and I don't read anything Brooks writes. I have said long ago most stuff that is leaked comes via the team the rangers are very good at keeping things air tight.

York18


Tue Jul 14 2015 12:31 pm EST

For me LB is the only New York Ranger beat writer (or whatever they call these guys now) that I'm aware of who doesn't always go to great pains not to rock the MSG boat. He doesn't create many waves when he does attempt to rock things, but at least he creates waves. I find it ludicrous that no one ever seems to say anything really critical about the Rangers - yes, right now doing so one could argue is a bit much because of their recent success. But during all those horrible years of Sather that preceded the past 4 seasons he was really criticized, if ever by the Ranger media. He got ripped up here, though. Prior to making the Rangers the laughing stock of the NA professional sports Sather had almost legendary status up here. That all crumbled to the ground after that!

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 12:31 pm EST

July 14th, 2015 12:27 pm EtemCraig Custance spoke with Bruce Boudreau at the draft and Boudreau said of Etem, “the kid has a ton of talent, a ton of speed but just couldn’t put it together consistently. Custance added that Boudreau still likes Etem’s upside. Boudreau said in April that Etem might have been the Ducks best player two years ago when the Ducks lost to the Red Wings. (LA Times) Boudreau said in April that it takes some time for players to mature and that when they get it, “they’re good to go.” (LA Times) Cam Fowler said that Etem has always had potential but that it takes some guys a while to get comfortable with their game. (LA Times) Ducks GM Bob Murray said that he felt Etem was in need of a change of scenery.

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 12:11 pm EST

wild that's why beat writers have to surmise or get an off the record story....the nyr eat like an elephant , and shit like a bird....alias they tell very little.....but I doubt brooks is black listed.....he likes being controversial, the rest go pc most of the time...they all fear reprisals and vindictiveness by the nyr.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 11:55 am EST

Stevie: on the Brooks thing my source is a guy who works media stuff for multiple sports including the NHL, he is an NFL first guy but does a bunch of NHL because he loves hockey. He saw the hush thing happen and inquired. Brooks gets some stuff sure, but I bet it's from a 3rd party who isn't media but has an in with the team. But the team people don't like him because he broke something they specifically asked the media to sit on, but he decided he wanted the headline. Now that was the season before last he saw it happen, well the playoffs anyway, so maybe someone has gotten over it, but there was a level of distrust with him.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 14 2015 11:49 am EST

See Hospo? Young players are important!!!!

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 11:48 am EST

A while back. Well a week or two anyway, there were rumors that STEPAN was looking for 6.5 per for 6-7 years. I tossed that aside because I thought if he wanted that he would be signed. There is a chance he will get 6-6.5 in arbitration so why wait? So I'm betting that the Rangers want him at 6.5 for 6-7 years not the other way around. This will go right up to the arbitration, this might be a situation where they are sitting in a conference room at the hearing and come to a deal literally minutes before the hearing begins.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 14 2015 11:23 am EST

VEGAS has just upped the Rangers odds of winning the Cup form 10:1 to 3:1 after....OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with forward Oscar Lindberg. pic.twitter.com/S0vKghVnPx

Hospo


Tue Jul 14 2015 11:18 am EST

it seems they might be better off going to arbitration , and accept 6.5 or 7, higher than that , try a trade..can you say jumbo joe?.........pay now, or pay more later is the nhl motto on most players unless they are a problem.....Sather's bridge deals have a toll.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 10:41 am EST

IMO, it's pretty clear that if Stepan's goal is to get $7,000,000/year, the only thing that will prevent it from happening is he loses the arbitration hearing. And if that's the case, will he be an unhappy camper? I guess it depends on what he really is prepared to accept vs what he ends up with if he losses. IMO, he has one foot out of the Ranger door. He'll remain a Ranger if he's willing to accept $6,500,000 or under on a long term deal or loses the arbitration hearing.

RF4L


Tue Jul 14 2015 9:40 am EST

For instance, should Stepan indeed take the Rangers to a hearing, his agent can show that Stepan finished 31st in the league with 2.67 points per 60 minutes played among the 568 skaters who appeared in a minimum of 40 games last season. That mark was better than notable names like Jonathan Toews, Claude Giroux, Ryan Johansen, Joe Pavelski and T.J. Oshie. There were no statistical anomalies in the 30 players above him - they all put together impressive seasons. At the same time, the Rangers could point out that Stepan only ranked 19th on the team last season in Corsi, or shot attempts for/against, as labelled on NHL.com. In other words, opponents generated 135 more shot attempts than the Rangers while Stepan was on the ice. ......http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-s-enhanced-stats-on-the-table-at-arbitration-hearings-1.330873

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 8:34 am EST

I agree that if a guy wants to max out his money and that's his #1 priority, then who's to say he is "wrong" to do so? It all depends on each individual, his personality, his upbringing (did his family struggle financially when he was a kid ,etc), what kind of advice/pressure he's getting from his family, how many family members want to leetch off of him and so on. But, I will add this proviso about the possible pressure they face in the event they get a career-ending injury....once a guy reaches a certain level of salary, ONE contract sets him up FOR LIFE.....one contract. If a guy has a couple of good years and then signs a 3 year contract at $4 mil per and he gets injured, he never has to work a day for the rest of his life if he's financially responsible. Even a guy who plays for 7 or 8 years averaging $1 mil per is in a GREAT position to live quite comfortably with a minimum of effort.

JFC31


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:55 am EST

home team discount my ass....they didnt even give Hags the chance to maybe give them a discount....it is pure business with very little loyalty from either side.

Topovski


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:55 am EST

home team discount my ass....they didnt even give Hags the chance to maybe give them a discount....it is pure business with very little loyalty from either side.

Topovski


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:25 am EST

Ola - I still think it's different. My career started in my early 20s and the chances are pretty good I'll be able to keep doing it until my 60s...And while there's little chance of me earning over a lifetime what some of these guys earn in a year(i.e. $7 million plus), I have reasonable assurance that I'll have a paycheck coming up until I decide to retire...and sure, some players will take the discount to stay put...that's part of the reason why NMCs are getting so popular...I can tell you this: Were I playing on the Rangers and I knew I could get $8 million somewhere else...or stay and make $5.5 or $6 million...I'd start looking at where those teams are that would pay me the money. Bottom line is as much as I like Step, I'm not going to fault him for trying to earn as much as possible. I'd rather he stayed and gave us a hometown discount...who knows? Maybe he will...Like I said earlier, KANE and TOEWS did the Hawks a HUGE favor by taking low ball contract during their early 20s...stupid financial decision, because both of them probably could have stuck the Hawks for $9 million per back then...but instead, they settled for $6.3 million per...that's four years they took what I'd say was AT LEAST a $2 million discount...maybe more...their generosity helped keep SHARP on the team, that's for sure...and they probably wouldn't have won two more cups without taking that concession...but to think that each left more than $8 million on the table...that's absolutely nuts. You're telling me you'd leave that kind of money on the table? I'm not sure I could.

tdchi


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:19 am EST

WILD you know this brooks stuff including black listed as a fact? you have some sort of proof like you expect him to produce? he seems to have a source, and sometimes gets an exclusive. what's your source?

stevielegs


Tue Jul 14 2015 7:02 am EST

First the Donnelly massacre and now the Reilly incident.. Lucan is cursed ( Just north of where I live) LOL

sjw


Tue Jul 14 2015 1:52 am EST

Tdchi- Given how hot the market is, basically all players staying put are leaving money on the table. And I mean, of us normal people, who couldn't make more money if we went elsewhere to work? I have some friends that goes and lives on oil rigs in the Nordic Seas and makes a ton of money. The courts up north where I am from have a hard time finding judges, I could make more money if I pulled my family and went to some small city to work. For many of these guys it's a status thing. They want to have the status of being a "x" million player.

Ola


Mon Jul 13 2015 10:49 pm EST

Keep in mind that this is the Larry Brooks who wrote many articles about how contentious the Lundqvist negotiations were. And as it turned out it wasn't contentious at all. Just things out. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes really. Who knows what was said to who. I'm quite sure Stepan's agent had rudimentary conversations during the season and the New York Rangers let them know their intentions. It's just business.

E


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:48 pm EST

mf: The list of athletes who've not had bad management is like 100 x the length. I have sympathy for those who make dumb decisions in that regard, as I do for the average dude who entrusts his money with a supposed professional. It just bugs me when what is clearly human nature when it comes to seeking as much money as possible (re greed) is justified with those arguments. And in saying that I'm not blaming anyone for seeking top dollar - I would do the same. And I do - for the past 13 years I've been on my own doing contract work and the financial compensation when I'm seeking out new contracts is ALWAYS the most important factor.

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:41 pm EST

And ROR....guess Tim Murray hasn't slept very well since. Yikes.

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:41 pm EST

Most athletes gave up a large chunk of childhood to 'study their craft'. They practiced unbelievable amounts of hours and days. A lot of them feeling adult like pressure in little league and jrs. When they finally get their payday...more power to them. They earned it.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:39 pm EST

Wild: Well said. I am so sick and tired of the justification of pro athletes seeking to be paid as much money as they can with stuff like 'their careers could end abruptly' and 'oh they are done at 35 and don't know what to do' and 'the average career is 4.52 years'. Blah blah blah phucking blah. The avenues and advice and guidance afforded these coddled people when it comes to handling their money and making sure enough is put away to circumvent all of the above is over the top. And why beyond anything the average person could afford. If an athlete elects to ignore it, then boo-phucking-hoo - there's no excuse for stupidity. IMO, if Stepan is actually seeking $8,000,000 a year it's got zippo to do with that and all about with getting as much as he can because he can. It's the system. And that's cool. He's in it and so are the rich owners who've not only bought into the system and more importantly, are fueling it.

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:33 pm EST

Last post was for mf

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:32 pm EST

and: 2 things. First it's a Brooks story. He loves to stir the pot with half know information. Unless Steps agent is talking I don't think Brooks has anything. From everything I have seen/heard (some from media types) Brooks pissed off a few Rangers people who told him things and said they didn't want it out public yet, and told a few beat guys just so they could start forming stories. Well Brooks was the only a-hole to not keep it under wraps and used the "sources tell us" stuff. And because of that he has basically been black listed and no one trusts him, the ranger people who know will be talking with others and stop when Broks shows up. So any info he has on Step is coming from a 3rd party or steps agent. Secondly, if Stepan has made it clear he wants to be a Ranger, and the Rangers feel an arbitration will get them wishing the amount they are willing to pay anyway, they may be hoping that if they wait Step will be worried and tell his agent to just get it done, and if that's going to happen than the longer they wait the more nervous Step gets and the lower he will sign for (in theory at least). A lot can happen in just a few days, so at this point I'm not worried, nor do I feel confident that Brooks has any good info.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:25 pm EST

TD: I give up. You win. The Hawks are inferior at cap management vs the Rangers. So be it. Small victories and all that I guess.

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:25 pm EST

td: cry me a river. He has already made more than most people will in their lives. And his contract will be guaranteed and insured. If he has a career ending injury and doesn't retire he goes on LTIR and gets paid. If he retires he collects on the insurance. If only we all had it so tough..and had to decide if we settle for only 6 million per year. And it's not about too much being given to players, it's about it being too top heavy. Guys like miller, fast and others will have less to go after if step goes for more. The max salary should be a lower percentage of the cap and the league minimum should be raised. This crap that 5.5-6.5 mil isn't enough is a joke. It's even worse in the NBA. Guys holding out because they will make only 15 mil and not 20. But that's where the NHL is going....it's sickening. 5 mil per is plenty on a guaranteed contract for 6,7,8 years. And with a contract like that there is more money to help the team win...and isn't that why these guys play? If that's not why I don't want them on "my" team anyway. I want guys who's goal is to win. I get the money part. And yes I would bail on my company to go work someplace for 15-20% more, but there is no championship for "normal" jobs so it doesn't matter as much who you work for, but that's the "real world" not the sports world.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 8:36 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-contract-talks-between-stepan-rangers-havent-progressed/

mf


Mon Jul 13 2015 8:27 pm EST

And the list of players who had bad money management and the wrong people around them is extensive. Gotta know how to handle your money

E


Mon Jul 13 2015 8:25 pm EST

I'll take Chicago's cap mismanagement with their Stanley Cups. That is not mismanagement. That's winning. Now they retool and develop and hopefully get another crack out of it while their core holds together. If not? It was a good run and that's when the criticism of the GM becomes valid.

E


Mon Jul 13 2015 8:12 pm EST

The list of athletes who are broke is quite lengthy......

mf


Mon Jul 13 2015 7:49 pm EST

Wildcard - Thing you're missing is that a hockey player's career can end with every game they play...in fact, the chances that their career will end only increases with every game the play...so take STEPAN for instance...25 years old, the guy could hit the ice during the first game of the season, get his knee wrecked and boom. That's it. Maybe he can jump into the announcer's booth or become a coach or trainer or something of the like...but his money maker at that point is gone...done...And well spoken as the guy is, I kind of doubt his going to jump into some sort of six-figure job out of the NHL...I was just talking about the bargain deals TOEWS and KANE signed...well, those two maybe saints in the eyes of Chi-town fans...and the should be...but they took a mighty big risk settling for less in their early 20s...Or conversely, take a guy like CROSBY...the guy looked to be one rub on the boards away from drooling a few years ago...What happens if he takes less to be on the Pens, takes that hit and can never play hockey again? Sure it's easy to say 'well if I had X million dollars, I could live for the rest of my life.' Lot more difficult in practice...check out the story of ex-Bruin Derek Sanderson....great example...look, no one ever credits hockey players for being bright...or good with money.

tdchi


Mon Jul 13 2015 7:44 pm EST

Hey Rhet: Seems that as long as we have "SATHERSAURUS" the Scout's jobs are safe! ;-)

mf


Mon Jul 13 2015 7:42 pm EST

Steeeeeeeer it up, Little Wallsters......... Soooooo, the big wait, for the big number, for the big snooooze, of whether Stepan will remain a Ranger, AND for how long..... Man is this exciting??? ..... Well, if we be shipping out the kid (and I don't fault him 1 bit if it means he'd have to leave a bunch of money on the table to stay) AND "IF" McIlrath can prove that he's staying with the big club, ...... we can move Stepan somewhere over the rainbow, and then try to move my favorite T.Glass with Boyle over to Toronto (for Mrs. RF4L ;-)) for Blowzak & JVR..... We would have $6.7mill to sign McIlrath, Sheppard, Miller, Fast, Eat-em-up, Lindburg...... That's plenty to sign those 6 BTW..... Then we let Sheppard, Veeek-Tor the new incarnation of "The Shoe" (Sjostrom) Stalberg, Eat-em-up, and The Lindberg Baby, battle it out for who rides the pine....... C'mon Steeeeeeer it up, Little Wallsters, Steeeeer it up, um hmmmm....

mf


Mon Jul 13 2015 7:35 pm EST

RF4L - But here's where you're really missing a lot of the story out of Chicago...First of all, Tallon's mismanagement of the cap in 2010 was nothing short of EPIC. I mean, first, he never bothered to factor in bonuses in the cap equation so by the time the Hawks were hoisting the cup, they were MILLIONS over the cap...so they were going to have to liquidate several contracts right off the bat AND then get penalized by the league for what I seem to recall was a whole year...then his business failing to tender qualifying offers by the deadline meant he needed to deal away another four or five players...Tallon didn't MEAN to gut the 2010 Hawks....he had NO choice...and the choices they made then were brutal. Again, were it not for the strength of their feeder system, they would have struggled to make the playoffs...And keep in mind, the just barely sneaked HOSSA'S contract in before the league cracked down on that business...one year later, the league penalized the Devils a goddamn draft pick and voided Kovalchuk's contract...which was basically very similar to the one Hoss has...and again...look at the salaries of TOEWS and KANE...Had those players done what most guys do --demanded big money early on in their career --they wouldn't have had the cash to pay for someone like SHARP...So I have a difficult time looking at any of these factors and saying it's good cap management. The ditched players because they had to...not because they realized they were costing too much...Now I know you believe the HAGELIN deal was a pure cap dump...but in truth, it's the exact type of smart move you're saying the Hawks were making...I have no doubt the Rangers could have signed Hags to a bridge deal and probably got him for $2.5 million-ish...but then they were going to have to pay up the following year...probably in excess of $4 million per...or risk losing him for nothing...The Hags move was thinking ahead...realizing that while he's a very good player, he was never going to be worth the contract he'd demand on the open market playing third line on the Rangers...lo and behold, the got a young NHLer with a lot of upside and a fairly high-rated prospect...I mean, when compared to the SAAD an SHARP deals, the Hags trade looks almost genius.

tdchi


Mon Jul 13 2015 6:56 pm EST

Can ROR get life in prison for hitting a Tim Horton's?

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 13 2015 6:56 pm EST

Hospo, did you call for Reggae on The Wall? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XY0PXaxu3Y

mf


Mon Jul 13 2015 6:49 pm EST

Per Ontario’s AM 980 Radio.... OPP [Ontario Provincial Police] announced Monday that O’Reilly, 24, from Bluewater, Ont., had been charged with driving a motor vehicle while ability impaired (alcohol) and care or control over 80 mgs. He was also charged under the Highway Traffic Act with failing to remain at the scene. According to Middlesex County OPP, a green Chevrolet pickup struck struck a commercial building on Richmond St. last Thursday morning (July 9) just after 4:00am. An employee of the Lucan Tim Hortons confirmed to AM980 that there had been a motor vehicle incident, but was unaware of the driver’s identity. After the collision, police say a suspect drove the vehicle southbound on Saintsbury Line, before abandoning it and traveling by foot with another, unnamed, male occupant. The OPP report says the individuals were later found, with police determining the driver had been drinking alcohol..... The Buffalo News has also since reported the incident.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 13 2015 6:41 pm EST

NBC ProHockeyTalk...... BREAKING: Ryan O'Reilly charged with impaired driving, failing to remain at scene http://wp.me/p14QU5-9ZQZ

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 13 2015 6:04 pm EST

RHET - You do ihear it every year and, you know what, sometimes "they" are right!!!!.Sometimes wrong.....Yes, it's premature to be saying this team will be bad this year..or , equally, that it will be good...but, hey, it's what being a fan instead of some esoteric student is all about..plus it stirs up the conversation!!!!..I'd rather wait ill Camp starts but,.If I had to jump off the proverbial fence that everybody seems to sit on, I would say a PO team for sure, but in the 4th -8th range and no chance for a Cup without additions along the way..Some people are satified with that..

Hospo


Mon Jul 13 2015 5:47 pm EST

Rhet:adding to that. These so called experts seem to overlook as much as fans do the fact that more than half of MSLs points came in the first 1/3 of the season (give or take a few games) and the Rangers had one of the best records in the second half even without MSL producing and for a time with him out of the lineup. It seems a lot of people go too far with the "the Rangers lost MSL" stuff.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 5:33 pm EST

Wiosa.... I hear this every year from NYR fans. Whether it was trading Dubi and Anisimov, letting Fedotenko & Prust walk or letting Bolye, Stralman and Pouliot go. I have every confidence that someone will step up to replace Hagelin's numbers this season. MSL's numbers are a little more tricky. Then again, there was no way MSL was going to repeat those numbers this season even if he did come back. We'll get improvements from guys like Hayes and Miller(hopefully) and a full season from Yandle will also help. Yandle had a 52 point season last year but only 11 of them were for the NYR. Stepan being healthy for the whole season will also help greatly. The more I think about it, I'm really not too worried about replacing their point production.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 13 2015 5:09 pm EST

Don't let summer play with your mind. We think more about New York Rangers hockey while players are sport fishing in Tahiti.

E


Mon Jul 13 2015 4:38 pm EST

Keep telling me E, I feel the depression lifting and the need to go smack myself silly :) The year we went to the cup final we were ranked pretty low weren't we?

WIOSA


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:55 pm EST

Power Rankings have forever been idiotic. Sometimes they are just so out of whack. I remember 2-springs ago someone had the Los Angeles Kings ranked like 15th in April. Oh, excuse me but they won the cup... So much for that silliness

E


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:37 pm EST

I try not to pay attention to Power rankings, or Who is the most improved lists..but I cant help myself. Then I get upset. In one power ranking we slipped from number 1 to number 11, this one has us slipping from number 1 to number 10 - Partially because of the departure of MSL and Hags, but mostly because we didn't improve or even make up for their loss......Now the list of 10 most improved teams, 2 of them the Bolts, and the Caps, are Eastern Conference. Im getting depressed.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:34 pm EST

WILD: As I see it you are partially right. No athlete technically deserves what they make outside the bubble. But its scales of economy and its mutual benefit. Stepan in essence puts butts in the seats (he is an impactful player.) Management, makes an obscene amount of money on him, he wants his cut. And he wants it based on what other players of his like are making. Thats a market. Is he to be overpaid? Of course he is. Every athlete is overpaid in an apples to oranges comparison. If I'm hired to do a job, and that job just made a company $XXXX? Am I gonna ask for a bigger cut? Damn right I will. And if I cannot get it, I'll take my show down the street to someone who will. If I am worth it then great. If I am overpaid? Well, then I'm a good negotiator. Up to them to decide that value. Not me. I think athletes made obscene money for basically playing a kids game but so what? What bothers me is market manipulation. Punishing success as the cap does. Chicago won some cups and is the closest thing there is in the NHL to a dynasty right now. And for their troubles? The league financially cock blocks them and makes them break up their team, hold salaries down on players who deserve to make a lot more. You think Teows and crew don't deserve more money? I shiver to think what they have delivered to Chicago's bottom line. And now the league will punish the team. Why? So Calgary can be in the NHL? It drives me crazy about the cap. Let teams make money, let players make money and let mediocrity be treated as mediocre. I've seen all the arguments for and against it, but I think a player should be able to earn what they think they are worth if they've done their time and built their resume. Stepan may be overpaid but throw stones because I think he is better then O'Reilly. And I'll stand by that. Buffalo threw the money at O'Reilly and now the New York Rangers have to throw the money at Stepan. Or the New York Rangers can punt, deal him and regroup.

E


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:34 pm EST

Of course the 8 million is a rumor, nobody really knows what he's asking for.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:27 pm EST

so 8 mil because the other guy got 7 mil?......callahandjob 2 the sequel......stepoff....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:05 pm EST

Ola do you like Messier?

Topovski


Mon Jul 13 2015 3:00 pm EST

WILD ...the age old debate. Why should a football player be paid 30million when a Firefighter gets paid 60K? It's what the market will bear. Ask me if I want to see the money in the owners pocket or the player's? The player. Cause that's the choice, there is no reduction in ticket prices....RF4L well said, (your last post) I agree. You get a core of players and a supporting cast. That is how you win most times. With every passing day I realize that the Rangers move closer and closer to abandonment of the cup. These are moves to keep the seats full. Im tired of that crap, how many years did we endure that? I would rather suck scissors with an all rookie cast then go year after year just good enough to eek into the playoffs and possibly win a round. We cant lose our first line center, we shouldn't have lost Hags - at least not to an untested pt AHLer. We should not deal Klein with the intention of putting Skjei in there, cause EVERYONE says he is not ready. Miller is still a project, hell Kreiders inconsistencies make him still a project. We cant load up a team with a couple of Vets and a host of projects and hope to win a cup. I may be wrong but I still feel like we're in Limbo, and the feeling is oh so familiar. ON another note anyone see the interview with Kreider? What he didn't volunteer was like an elephant in the room - the one old friend he went to Norway with, and the one new team player that he played with before. http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/going-one-one-chris-kreider-at-camp

WIOSA


Mon Jul 13 2015 2:00 pm EST

I find it amusing that people feel that since their career (first career mind you) will end at 35 it's 100% ok to go after more money per year than most people will make in a lifetime. And that's just the difference we are talking about between 6 and 8 mil per. The majority of people will be lucky to make 2 million in a lifetime. That's 66K per year for 30 years. Most people don't average that over 30 years, and we are to sit back and be ok with a guy holding out for 6-7 times that over a contract....that more that 6-7 people will make combined. I say we as fans should start treating them the way they are "asking" when they do that. It's disgusting...and we as fans find ways to excuse it.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 1:59 pm EST

TD: I see what you and Rhet are saying but here's why I disagree: One huge reason they are winning is because they are paying the right guys the right amount of $$ to capture a cup. They've done it 3 times now (in 6 short years). In all 3 cases, they didn't trade away a bunch of players prior to winning the cup; instead, they kept the right group knowing full well some would have to be jettisoned a few short weeks after parading the cup around the ice. Meanwhile, other teams are making cap related moves without capturing a single cup, the Rangers with Hagellin being moved, are now amongst them. In other words, unlike the Hawks, they aren't keeping the right players to win the cup. In the cap related era where (like all eras) winning the championship is the ultimate testament to success, the Hawks have cap management down to a science. Everyone else, including the Rangers (who are now possibly facing the prospect of trading away their number 1 center), is coming up short.

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 1:29 pm EST

Ola - I'm not saying we should like them. But if you were in the same position what would you do? Take less money just so your fan base will love you? C'mon. Get real. You'd go for the money. It's one thing when guys shave a few hundred thousand off their bottom line...but millions? If there's a team that will pay STEPAN $8 million...and I'm of the right mind there is...why wouldn't shouldn't he seek that kind of pay day? I don't want him to leave...and as a fan, I wouldn't like it if he did...but blame him? Nope. Not one bit....Same thing here with people getting bent about CALLAHAN leaving...especially Callahan...guy's got a real limited shelf-life as a player...and he's going to take less just for the honor of playing in NYC? Makes no sense from a financial perspective...don't have to like it as a fan, but that's the truth.

tdchi


Mon Jul 13 2015 1:17 pm EST

RF4L - Real tricky argument if you're saying the Hawks won the cup DUE TO their cap management. I would say they won IN SPITE of their cap management. Again, when you're losing players like LADD, VERSTEEG, SAAD, BYFUGLEIN, BOLLAND, BROUWER, NEIMI, LEDDY and now SHARP...you're doing something wrong...and were it not for the absolutely phenomenal feeder system the Hawks have...they'd be mired in the same exact place Pittsburgh is, with two incredible hockey players and a team of trash surrounding them...waiting and waiting for a cup that will never come...but fortunately for Chicago, Tallon and now Bowman have almost nothing to show for any of the players they were forced to move...the only one of those deals that COULD pan out is the SAAD trade because they got Marko DANO, who is a top-rated prospect...all the others though? Couple are 'too soon to tell' instances...but largely, the picks/players they've gotten in return have been FAR inferior to the ones they traded...and actually ironically, the only NHL player they have to show for it is MORIN...who got traded back to Chicago for Saad....so if you want to argue that their cap management won them the cup, then I gotta say you couldn't be any more wrong...

tdchi


Mon Jul 13 2015 1:12 pm EST

Tdchi- Couldnt disagree more. Why should we like Rangers that leave and go after the money? Why?

Ola


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:51 pm EST

JFC - I know we as fans don't like it much when guys go after the money...but really, you can't blame them...I mean, when your faced with the very real reality that your career probably isn't going to last much past 35, you're almost stupid to not go after every penny you can...In STEPAN'S case, the reality is the ball is in his court. He knows where the team is cap-wise and he also knows how Sather typically responds to player who go through arbitration...he's been with the Rangers long enough to see that if he wants to stay in New York, he's going to have to make concessions. If $8 million per is the figure being floated, I'm sure that's simply a starting point. The key will be what he's willing to go down to...and I gotta agree with guys like Carp and Brooksie...if Step wants to make Ryan O'REILLY money, he's going to have to do it in a different ZIP code...Rangers aren't going to pay him $7.5 million...and when you think about it, giving him that much will me they'll have to pare the roster elsewhere...and the reality is, with MILLER, HAYES and LINDBERG all able to play the middle...well, Step could very easily negotiate his ass off the team...Don't want to see him go, but at this point, I'd say there's a 50-50 chance he's playing in a Ranger uniform come the fall...probably less.

tdchi


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:41 pm EST

If STEPAN is looking for $8 million and his side is firm, he's as good as gone...he'll have a good time playing with the Coyotes or some similar small market team with a lot of cap space. No way the Rangers pay him that much money and he's already got two strikes against him with the holdout the other year. On the positive side, I can't even imagine the haul he'd bring in at this point...looking at a top prospect, a first rounder and a good young player with top-6 upside...wonder if the Yotes would do Step for Dylan STROME and Ryan MacINNIS.

tdchi


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:40 pm EST

And yes, I know his dad was drafted by the Rangers. For Stepan to do what he did when he held out before....that's the blueprint he is probably going to follow now IMO

JFC31


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:38 pm EST

Would it be a surprise if Stepan is more interested in maxing out than in staying a Ranger? I don't think so. When a guy has the balls to hold out and miss camp as a very young player with basically no leverage, just to get as much money as he can get, it speaks volumes about what his approach is going to be. Total conjecture, but I think his father drives a lot of this....he struck me as being a very arrogant guy and he may very well be telling his kid that it's just a business and it's all about the money

JFC31


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:19 pm EST

Rhet: Second. Where did you see that rumor?

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:16 pm EST

Rhet: couple things. First on the scouting. I agree. And something else that may come about. With high definition camera becoming less expensive we will see scouting services will pay to have one or two cameras looking at the entire ice surface and have someone local film a specific player more zoomed in including their time on the bench. The scouts will simply watch the videos side by side to get a good feel for the player. Also wouldn't be a bad business to start. Have enough camera operators to follow each player on the ice and sell all the footage to any scout interested. You could use film students via internships and have a very low overhead.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:12 pm EST

Rhrt: That fits given how his side behaved during his previous negotiations...

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 12:03 pm EST

Rumor has it that Stepan is looking for $8 Mil per season. NYR fans are taking the news well on Twitter. Logically speaking, If the guy is looking for $7 Mil per, you have to start out higher to negotiate your way down. JMO of course.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 13 2015 11:45 am EST

Modern day Scouting will eventually go the way of the dinosaurs. Think about it, you can already watch video for nearly every player, every team, every angle, every nuance at your fingertips online. You can watch things that even the scouts miss at home on your laptop . With the new advances coming to sports, there wont be the need to have as many scouts, to send them out as often or in many cases, even at all. Baseball is currently implementing a camera-and-radar-based system that tracks not only the baseball, but also every player on the field in great detail. The plan is to put it in every major league park and every minor league park. Everywhere they would normally send scouts. I'm sure when it's finally implemented they'll have the need for 'talent evaluators' but they wont have the need for as many scouts. The NHL has always been so resistant to change over the years so I'm sure they will be the very last Pro Sports League to implement these cameras, but it's still coming.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:40 am EST

Wild: Yeah, here in Ontario (Canada really) the stories of scouts spending hours on the road in the dead of winter travelling to small towns in northern and western Ontario are legendary. A contract I had about 6 years ago involved training some court operations people in northern Ontario and the travel was something else. All day in a car to get to one town. I didn't mind it because it was the fall and the scenery was fabulous and I didn't have to sit in a cold arena once I got there! But I sure got the appreciation of the time needed to get to these destinations. And the hotels are hardly the calibre of the Westin!

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 9:14 am EST

RF4L: I know a guy who used to scout for teams, here in the North America and in Europe after that. He was on the road about 250 days each year, thats why he stooped doing it. Europe was a bit less about 200 days, but still a long time away from the family. At first he didn't have one, but once he got married and had kids he couldn't do it anymore. He runs his own scouting firm now, he scouts the areas and players he wants, and he works with some other scouts who want less travel like himself, and they sell their scouting reports to teams. Apparently NHL teams scouts like to get as many points of view as possible, if everyone sees the same things as they do, they feel better about a report, if there are contradictory things, they will go back and watch for those things to see if they missed something. That type of scouting I wouldn't mind, he sets his own schedule and travel instead of someone else doing it...however you need to pay your dues first as a scout doing the traveling and all that crap....and I say hell no to that kind of travel.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 8:31 am EST

Kidding aside, that would be an interesting career, other than all the cold arenas in the dead of winter, of course. Then again, get hired to scout the California leagues!

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 7:45 am EST

That's because all the players I would recommend would be perfect HA!

Wildcard


Mon Jul 13 2015 7:21 am EST

Wild: Believe it or not but I think you'd make a good scout. The only problem I can forsee is your rose coloured glasses would prevent you from ever seeing a flaw in the development of any player you recommended who got picked! ;^)

RF4L


Mon Jul 13 2015 6:01 am EST

RF4L: exactly on the trading Glass thing. It's like saying "let's trade Boyle to the oilers" Sure because Boyle will waive his NTC to go from a team with a shot at the cup to a team who will likely miss the playoffs in what may be his final year of NHL hockey. There is probably a better chance I get hired as a scout for the Rangers than that happening! But people still toss those ideas out there with little regard for the actual situation surrounding the players/team.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 12 2015 10:01 pm EST

Just read that article by the nob musing about signing Semin. His entire argument gets blown apart when he proposes trading Glass to create some cap space. I guess this idiot doesn't follow the Rangers enough to realize he's an AV favourite and is going nowhere. WTF? Shaddup already.

RF4L


Sun Jul 12 2015 9:58 pm EST

That dude has it in for Girardi for whatever reason. He's also pulling a classic columnist trick - floating something over the top to create a stir (ala Stan Fischler calling Brad Park a better player than Bobby Orr). Guess what? It's working - his link and his thoughts are being posted and argued about on here.

RF4L


Sun Jul 12 2015 9:55 pm EST

TD: So given the choice, I assume you'd prefer making 1 cap motivated move after winning no cup vs 4 after winning a cup. If so, for sure, we can agree to disagree. That's akin to lamenting a deadline deal when that a few months later a cup victory is experienced (i.e. aren't you one on here who questions the Amonte and/or Weight trades?). If so, as I feel with Rhet, we will never agree, so let's spare the board the endless arguments and agree to disagree.

RF4L


Sun Jul 12 2015 2:47 pm EST

Rhet: they also argued it on Twitter. During the playoffs they pushed putting Giradi in the stands and to let Hunwick have his minutes. Because Hunwick had better numbers against the Caps....just incredible that they used a single stat. CORSI to back this up.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 12 2015 1:56 pm EST

Rhett,,,there are a few from this site that appear to hate Girardi,,not sure why. This writer implies he can be replaced by Hunwick...fourth or fifth paragraph from the bottom. http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/6/19/8789289/a-comprehensive-guide-to-saving-the-new-york-rangers-cap-space

WIOSA


Sun Jul 12 2015 1:42 pm EST

JFC.... There are a lot of NYR fans that think Girardi is overrated and that his contract will come back to bite us as he gets older, but come on ""a snow-angeling albatross"? That's pretty funny :) ...WILD... You've referenced the 'Hunwick could replace Giradi' piece before, please provide a link.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 12 2015 12:27 pm EST

JFC: that website is one of the biggest jokes of all sports writing. They rely on 1 or 2 of the advanced stats...and have "published" such things as Hunwick could easily replace Giradi so they should move Giradi because he is so overpaid and has never been very good.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 12 2015 12:21 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/11/8916677/tanner-glass-oscar-lindberg-and-season-deciding-decisions This 'writer' calls Dan Girardi, "a snow-angeling albatross". Really? Is it really worth sounding like a complete idiot just to get people to react to your gibberish?

JFC31


Sun Jul 12 2015 11:17 am EST

E - My point is much simpler than that: McILRATH is NHL-ready. SKJEI is not. And the work Skjei needs to do to be NHL-ready should and likely will happen in the AHL.

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 11:14 am EST

Scratch that OV...meant MALKIN...those two Pen deals plus FLEURY are prime reasons the Pens haven't done squat since their last cup.

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 11:11 am EST

RF4L - I think if you say the Hawks are better at drafting then the Rangers, that's a sound statement. But cap management? That's a tough one to argue, since the Hawks pretty much had to dismantle their first cup team in part because they were so bad with managing the cap...they COMPLETELY lucked out that TOEWS and KANE learned from greedy CROSBY and OVECHKIN and that they took big discounts to play for a team they knew would be a serious contender...both those guys could have demanded $9 million plus after their first contracts expired, but went for more moderate deals...they also lucked out with the HOSSA deal, which was another that sort of circumvented the cap before the league closed that loop hole...And now? They moved SAAD and SHARP for essentially a cluster of third-line players...one (MORIN)who the traded away essentially as cap relief midway through the season...their cap management also meant them trading LEDDY, which arguably could have cost them their last cup had it not been for Duncan KEITH...The Hawks are a guilty pleasure of mine...I've liked the team for ever since the younger Wirtz took over...but one thing they've never been good at is managing their cap well.

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 10:53 am EST

TD: The team is gonna do what all teams do under a cap. They are gonna dress the best team that they can under the cap and that means that another player may see their New York Rangers career abruptly seize to exist in a world that a particular player comes along and the coach likes enough to see them as a different maker. For me, a team isn't looking as much at A=B=C-D in terms of a matrix. Its A-B=C if that makes sense. That is the economic realities of the NHL. Its not a compare and contrast straight across the board if I am reading you correctly. Skill sets are nice. To be sure both players are not the same cut. But, history at least in his New York Rangers time behind the bench a player like Skjei has been preferable to a McIlrath. Thats just a reality. And teams will work the cap and massage it in order to massage in a player. Girardi might have to keep his head on a swivel given his cap. Or maybe its Yandle? I mean who knows? From a coaches perspective I am gonna dress the best team that I have access to and make decisions based on that. Coach says, "I need McIlrath and he is ready what can we do?" Someone else is going bye-bye. GM says "economics dictates who you can have make a decision Skjei or McIlrath?" Coach has to do whats right for the team under the confines of the cap. So, I don't agree with your assertion that their fates are not intertwined because of their stick. There fates are intertwined because of the length of the bench and the cap. And no one in a lineup should be safe unless they've earned or been given the contract that affords them that luxury. Everyone should always play with a presence that there is someone cheaper and perhaps more capable looking over your shoulder. The New York Rangers would love a world where they can matriculate out expensive contracts for picks and prospects and supplant them with a shiny new toy.

E


Sun Jul 12 2015 10:19 am EST

Rhet: Not every argument - I need to see the argument first. But many arguments putting the Hawks behind the Rangers need to include the achievements of those clubs and in many cases for me the 3 cups vs 0 play a large part, IMO. Thusly, I stand by my thoughts on who's doing a better cap management job Hawks vs the Rangers. You think the Rangers have - so be it. Let's agree to disagree on that one.

RF4L


Sun Jul 12 2015 9:42 am EST

This is a Bob McKenzie tweet from 2013, the last time Stepan was an RFA..."Tough sledding for NYR/RFA Derek Stepan. Player seeks McDonagh $ (6 x $4.7M) but no arb rights, NYR holding firm on Subban level bridge deal"

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 12 2015 9:25 am EST

Per Brooks..... July 27 is Derek Stepan’s salary arbitration hearing .... Also per Brooks the negotiations.... "haven’t quite even reached the preliminary stages of negotiating, with the Blueshirts yet to submit an opening proposal for a long-term deal"..... Glad to see Gorton is taking his sweet time as usual. SSDD.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 12 2015 9:05 am EST

When capt parmenter gets a new contract it might not be with the nyr . He'll probably follow in the footsteps of the last capt and ask for too much . The cap forces trades. Think subban money....don't be surprised if they go after semin or m Richards since top 6 needs a scorer.... It's the fisherman era or error now....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 12 2015 8:41 am EST

I've written about it a few times. Skjei and McKilrath are, at least under AV, on two separate depth charts. There is a LHD and a RHD depth chart with AV since he likes to use them on the side dictated by what hand they shoot with. So Skjei making it doesn't mean McIlrath will not or that McIlrath making will mean Skjei will be slowed down.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 12 2015 7:14 am EST

E - SJKEI is a lefty. The guy who should be watching his development is STAAL, who is a very similar style defenseman. McILRATH, even if he was a lefty or if that didn't matter on the Rangers(which it does) brings a TOTALLY different skill set to the team. I'm always hesitant to make absolute statements in hockey, but in this case, I'll say Skjei's development will have absolutely NO bearing on McIlrath's fate...zero. NTM, they're in totally different stages in their career...Mack needs to make the Rangers this season or pick up his career with a different team...simple as that...I'm sure he trains in the off-season, but if I were him, I'd double the repertoire. He either makes the NHL or he gets labeled a bust...Skjei, OTOH, the expectations are far lower...even though a lot of armchair fans seem to think he's NHL ready, the reality is he's got a haul in Hartford. The Rangers never would have grabbed YANDLE had they thought Skjei was ready for primetime...good player, but he needs seasoning...and another thing...someone mentioned McDONAGH with Skjei...welll...one crucial difference between the two is that Skjei isn't nearly as strong as McD. Not even close, actually.

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 7:06 am EST

Hospo - Tell us how you really feel about Hrivik...seriously though, I don't think anyone here or anywhere has Hrivik penciled into the Rangers lineup this or any year. I mean, you never know though...he was one heck of a talent before his last concussion, which I believe was like his third in a year or something...and the guys in Hartford seemed to really like him going down the stretch. They actually had him playing center at one point, which was really strange considering they had MUELLER, LINDBERG and POTULNY in the middle...three very good AHL-level centers...anyway...good signing for Hartford. Glad the Rangers are still giving him a chance. Man, it'd be nice, though, if he could return to form from his time in juniors. He was a bonafide prospect back then. But feeding your opinion, I won't hold my breath on that.

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 7:01 am EST

Bob - re: SKJEI...I don't know about McDONAGH...the guy is a good skater though...I'd say John MOORE is a much better comparison. In fact, their games seem really similar to me in that I look at Skjei and wonder why he doesn't put up better numbers...he doesn't, however, have the mean streak Moore did/does have. Still, I'd be really surprised if any scout out there would say with a straight face he's ready for the NHL. My feeling on him is that if YANDLE remains on the team this season, he jumps in as his replacement next year and/or when they trade him. He might get a sniff if there's an injury...but the Rangers have been pretty good with keeping guys they know aren't ready for the show lodged in Hartford until they are.

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 6:54 am EST

re: DOM MOORE - Trade Moore?!? Really? Now there's a headline where you don't need to read any more, no pun intended. Is it just the Rangers that produce this level of nob?

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 6:51 am EST

re: STEWART - The guy is done like the French. Always thought he was overrated and his play since leaving the Blues has done nothing but reaffirmed this belief. Guy is overweight, underconditioned and in the belief that he's much better than he really is...he's another who really benefited from having top-line players and a crash-the-net mentality...was never worth $4 million plus...and frankly, I'm not sure he's even worth what Anaheim gave him...Just wait for the news story about Stewart training with Phil Kessel this summer...With those two signings, Anaheim must believe they're still playing in the late 1990s...

tdchi


Sun Jul 12 2015 6:02 am EST

E, I know! During the playoffs they would've been arrested if it wasn't a sport.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 12 2015 1:08 am EST

http://newyorkrangers.sportsblog.com/posts/2811344/new-york-rangers-off-season-update--where-will-alexander-semin-sign-.html

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 12 2015 12:45 am EST

15-years ago if you came here and said, "the Ducks are gonna be the most violent team in the NHL..." You'd be laughed outta here. Now? You'd be speaking the truth. There is a lot of not so nice players on that team.

E


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:42 pm EST

STALBERG sounds like another guy that just wants to skate but not do the dirty stuff..More of the same when we needed different

Hospo


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:39 pm EST

STEWART should fit in nicely with the DUCKS..or if he starts loafing..get sent to the minors like ETEM...Low cost/risk for Ducks..In the past two days, the Ducks signed STEWART and MCGRATTAN...They sure like their guys big!

Hospo


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:33 pm EST

Viktor Stalberg went out to dinner at a restaurant earlier this week in his hometown of Gothenburg, Sweden, and lo and behold who was that (un) masked man sitting at the table next to him? None other than his new Rangers teammate, Henrik Lundqvist. "I don't know Hank really well, we work out and skate together during the summer, but that's about it," Stalberg told BlueshirtsUnited.com on Thursday, before adding, "I'm sure I'll get to know him much better real soon, though." The 29 year-old Stalberg was signed by the Rangers as a free agent last week on July 1, and he'll sure to be picking Lundqvist's brain about his new team and city in the coming weeks and months. However Stalberg has already done his homework on the Rangers, and he likes what he knows about the organization. "Playing against the Rangers the past few years you could see that they were one of the best teams in the league," explained Stalberg, who has played with the Maple Leafs, Blackhawks and Predators in his six-year NHL career. "I think it's a great fit for me. Their type of hockey fits my style, plus they have a chance to win it all. That makes for a perfect fit for me." Stalberg, of course, knows about wining it all, having helped Chicago to the 2013 Stanley Cup championship, a feat that the 6-foot-3 Swede is hoping to replicate in New York this season. "Winning the Stanley Cup is surreal," offered Stalberg, who scored a career-high 22 goals with Chicago in 2011-12, the year before he helped the 'Hawks win the Cup. "It's a great moment in your life, and you want to get back there because it was so amazing. I want to do it again. That's why I'm here (with the Rangers)." Stalberg emphasized in his conversation with BlueshirtsUnited.com that the experience the Rangers core players have gained in reaching three Eastern Conference Finals and one Stanley Cup Final over the past four years is invaluable as the team takes another crack at winning the Stanley Cup in 2015-16. It is a major reason why he chose to sign with New York after a pair of unfulfilling seasons with Nashville. "Things didn't work out the way I wanted to, or the way the (Predators) wanted it to, but now I have a great opportunity to play with some great players in New York," stated Stalberg, who was 2-8-10 in only 25 games with the Predators a year ago. "I felt right away that the New York Rangers wanted me, and it helped make my decision (to sign) easier. I have the chance to play in a great market and a great city. This is a tremendous opportunity for me, and it's up to me to make the most of it." As for what his role will be or what line he may fit best with, Stalberg believes that will be determined once training camp gets underway. For now he is just looking to prepare himself properly for the challenge which lies ahead in what he is hoping is a bounce-back season. "We talked a little bit about what role I may play before I signed," explained Stalberg. "But right now i must compete and earn my spot once camp starts. From there, the rest will take care of itself." Stalberg plans on working out in Sweden the rest of the summer, likely coming to New York in mid to late August, several weeks before training camp opens. "I couldn't be any more excited." Jim Cerny BlueshirtsUnited.com Twitter Jul 9 - 2:49pm by JimCerny 13 share :

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 7:28 pm EST

It's official.... Per John Shannon....... "Chris Stewart signs for 1 year. 1.7 million for the year"... good deal..

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 7:18 pm EST

Brady Skjei (LHS) Assets: Is a tremendous skater. With NHL size (6-2, 196 pounds), he can play a shutdown role quite effectively. Is also capable of logging a lot of ice time. Possesses good offensive upside, as well......Flaws: Must get stronger and learn to use his big frame far more to his advantage in order to keep opponents honest. Isn't a natural power-play quarterback. Is a bit raw in terms of his puck skills........Career Potential: Mobile shutdown defenseman with some upside........ http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9518

mf


Sat Jul 11 2015 5:24 pm EST

1.5-2 for Stewart? That's a good deal for a guy looking for a recovery contract. He'll be in a solid situation in Anaheim. But what? 4-teams in 5-years or something like that? Wonder when or if the light turns on?

E


Sat Jul 11 2015 5:19 pm EST

Per Eric Stephens..... Can confirm earlier reports of Ducks nearing agreement with winger Chris Stewart on one-year deal. Hearing around $1.5-2M range.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 4:36 pm EST

BOB: I don't necessarily know about skating as well as McD since I think he is in the top % of skaters in the NHL. But lots of guys have come and gone from the NHL who had the skating and couldn't do anything with it. That stated, from what I've seen and granted I've not seen him really play outside of the NCAA the kid had a great stride and good movement. That end of the skillset says to me that at least in terms of movement he can play in the NHL. I think a lot about him is pretty polished although from what I've read, heard and admittedly saw few games by, Skjei doesn't look ready to jump directly into the NHL. I'm sure he's gonna get some sniffs this season though. And we all know, you max out your chances. And of course don't let Tarasenko leave you standing at the alter. That'll never help your cause.

E


Sat Jul 11 2015 4:17 pm EST

RF4L.... Really? You're going to use that as the patented answer for every argument involving the Hawks? Who has the better state motto? The Hawks! They won 3 out 5 cups! Who has better Beer at the game? The Hawks! They won 3 out 5 cups! Who has the cooler racing stripe on their Zamboni? The Hawks! They won 3 out 5 cups! .....IMO, Cap management for a contending team is measured by a team being able to keep their better players together to stay in the hunt. Keeping Hagelin and losing Stepan IMO, would be an example of cap mismanagement (even though I'm sure some here would've preferred that). IMO, the Hawks have won 3 out of 5 cups by doing a better job at the draft (also by the team bottoming out to be able to pick in the Top 10 multiple years in a row). Unless you have the ability to draft a Kane and Toews(etc.), it's kind of hard to match that kind of talent by drafting in the later rounds or through UFA. I do think the NYR could have definitely done a better job in the draft over the last 5-6 years. At least having one guy that was able to replace a Staal or Girardi would've meant a HUGE savings on the cap. We could have avoided at least one of those big $$$ contracts. Getting rid of one of those contracts in the next few years, trading off some of the more expensive pieces when our Cup window opportunity has elapsed, will be some of the biggest challenges for Jeff Gorton. It will show the true depth of what kind of GM he's going to be .....MF... I would be okay with any player that can improve this team, as long as it's for a 1-year, low money deal (Buchnevich should be here next season). That being said, It will be quite a while before the whole Richards buyout fiasco is settled with LA. Then he may or may not have to go to mandatory rehab (during which time I don't think the Kings would be able to buy him out). He also allegedly had a big coke problem in Philly. Let's put a pin in that one for now. IMO, If MCI makes the team it makes Klein expendable, Why Klein? Because he is too expensive for a bottom six defenseman and has multiple years left on his deal. That's why it's more important to get rid of him over Boyle. You also don't want to eat any money in any Boyle deal. IMO, you want to avoid dead cap space as much as possible on a contender. You need every $$$ possible to be able to have some flexibility come the trade deadline. Especially when , as you say, we don't yet know what Step's cap hit will be. As always, this is JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 4:11 pm EST

I'm with BOB and RF4L on the CHI-DAL deal.....Sharp will be 34 .on NICK's downaward slope....and coming off a pretty bad year..bad timee to be aquiring him..good time to be dealing him.....OTOH, DALEY is two years younger....and, as a D-man, scored as many goals as Sharp did last year..I think people are serioulsy underating him...Has been a solid two-way D-man for years and is tough...Can and does play all situation...Plus CHI got the young gritty guy? Good deal in my eyes and helps CHI now........As for HRIVAK? BLOWS.....Why would anybody trade Dom Moore? Perfect proven 4th line Center and..let's wait till we see something out of Lindberger before throwing him away...And who's this Smegma guy that will be our secret call up from Hartford...Still looks mighty thin down IMWO......

Hospo


Sat Jul 11 2015 3:42 pm EST

If Sheij can really skate like McDonagh, then they have something. I hope so.

Bob


Sat Jul 11 2015 3:34 pm EST

My take on Skjei based on the comments provided by Groton at the development camp was that Skjei was surprised at the strength of players in professional hockey vs. NCAA competition and so he was focused on becoming stronger. My personal take is that this kid is not going to be in the AHL for all that long as he has an NHL skill level. And that's just how it is. Mcilrath should be looking over his shoulder because there is a guy with a pretty dynamic skill set who will be breathing on his neck sooner then later. We'll have to see. Certainly is nice to have options but all I care about is winning. Whether it be by Skjei or McIlrath or both. I don't care...

E


Sat Jul 11 2015 3:17 pm EST

Trading D. Moore is basically pathetic penny pinching. If you need to trade a guy who makes $1.5 mil per year(and who BTW plays with poise and raises his game on the POs consistently) to make the capspace work, then you've screwed the pooch mightily. Trading D. Moore is a ridiculous concept. I want at least a couple of guys who know how to raise their level in the POs. We've already lost one in Hagelin....yeah, let's penny pinch and get rid of another guy who brings it in the PO's ...it's important that we save money and win another President's Trophy

JFC31


Sat Jul 11 2015 3:08 pm EST

I must say other than the fate of McI, the guy I'm most interested to see is Tambellini. He had a fabulous first full WHL season last year that continued, if not got escalated, in the POs. In 87 total games, he put up 112 points including a quite stunning 63 goals. Those are elite numbers IMO. If he is for real, this is quite a find for the Rangers and could mean they've finally find a legitimate number 1 center (size and skill). Now in saying that, I'm not anticipating that if he is indeed for real, we'll see him centering the Rangers number 1 line any time soon. However, if he has a strong AHL season offensively, it's not unreasonable to project him making the Rangers in 16/17. It will be very interesting to monitor his progress this season...

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 3:03 pm EST

I would think of all 5 of those players get minutes it's due to injuries. Right now, there's no roster room for any of them except, perhaps, for Lindberg.

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 2:59 pm EST

I'm just the messenger....... Brady Skjei said that spending this past season in college allowed him to get “bigger and stronger” and also allow him to improve on certain aspects of his game.(NYR) Skjei said that he feels more “NHL ready” than he did last year when he was deciding whether to stay at Minnesota or turn pro. (NYR) Gordie Clark said last summer that Skjei was close to turning pro. He said that he achieved his goal of producing more offensively and getting better on that side of the ice. (NYR) On his experience with the Wolf Pack at the end of last season, Skjei said that it was a great experience, the coaches allowed him to play his game and that by the end he was playing “some pretty big minutes.” (NYR)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 2:58 pm EST

Rhet: Really? The Hawks have 3 cups in the past 5 years. The Rangers have 0. Yes if you want to compare pure cap moves then certainly the Rangers are winning. But guess what? A whole slew of teams, such as Barfalo and Edmonton and so on, have both of those teams beat. So they are all better than the Rangers at cap management, if you're going to use that single very narrow measurement. I think the entire picture should be considered. 4 cap motivated trades and 1 cup beats for me 1 cap motivated trade and 0 cups any day of the week.

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:56 pm EST

Rhet: I'm not shooting the messenger... Glass gone or D.Moore gone, I choose Glass to go every time, comparable cap ($50K)....... Shep's my 4th line LW for the moment, 4 yrs younger & $250K less expensive than Glass, & as you point out, FO depth to go along with 3x + the scoring potential, better skater, has a flavor for the AV system........... Hey, I still owe you an answer to the Semin is a head case but yet I opined for Mike Richards.... It's simple; Richards is more of the prototypical head case which has consistently displayed some recklessness and with a screw or two loose.. Semin, oozes talent, is still guilty of being accused of not sharing the puck with his mates (theHockeynews), and money NOR playing with a fellow Russina in Ovechkin seem to motivate him... Don't take the money if youre not going to do the job.... strange no? :-)

mf


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:50 pm EST

The NYR have as many as five players that could see time in the NHL this season. They Include Dylan McIlrath, Oscar Lindberg, Brady Skjei, Ryan Bourque, and Adam Tambellini. Pavel Buchnevich would have been the sixth if not for re-signing in the KHL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:32 pm EST

RF4L... I didn't say they wouldn't contend, I said they don seem quite as imposing. IMO, They don't. Also, How is it great cap management to have to make a minimum of 4 trades to become cap compliant? The NYR have to make one deal to become cap compliant and they mismanage their assets and are in cap hell? I just don't get it.... MF.... I did not advocate for the trading of Dom Moore, I just supplied the link. If we were to trade D. Moore, James Sheppard plays center and he was better than 50% on faceoffs last season. He would also be less expensive to sign. #PlayingDevilsAdvocate

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:11 pm EST

Rhet: Can't trade Dom Moore until the Stepan situation plays out.... jmcjco naturally

mf


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:08 pm EST

RF: You doing Canadian math? We currently have up to 7 guys to get signed with $10.8mm dollars which equals -$ negative space.. $0 zero space is better than being over the cap! ..... Help me trade Boyle to L.A., you'll get your wish.. :-)

mf


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:03 pm EST

Great, we're 2/3rds there to the $12.25mm available cap room. Has T.Glass been traded yet? ....... So, is Chris Stewart Anaheims answer to Milan Lucic? ....... Will L.A. come knocking on our door with inquiries for Dan Boyle??? "The who wished for it, and the who done it, with the how will it pan out, in the board room ??? ;-)

mf


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:02 pm EST

Rhet: The market for Sharp shrunk - he had an off year that went right thru the POs and with that combined with his age and rather large salary, it's no wonder. There are only so many Glen Sathers looking to add aging veterans to their lineup and pay a premium to do so. In addition, they need bodies, which helps explain the Saad deal. They got 3 players for him, 1 of whom is a solid youngish NHL veteran (AA) and another who's a former first rounder, is only 20 and has lots of upside (Danko). The 3rd player is a throw in 4th liner. Daley is an under-rated d-man who will fit right into Chicago's style. I see no reason to expect this team not to challenge for the cup again next year. And we've yet to see what Bickell fetches them. And they are now $1,000,000 under the cap with only Kruger and a 7th d-man to sign which easily will be done with cap room to spare if/when Bickell is moved for a pick/prospects. If only the Rangers were managed this well...

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:01 pm EST

IMO, Jayson Megna will be the new Chris Mueller. He'll be a guy they call up in case of injury.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 11:50 am EST

Mf. And 0 cap space. Bad idea if you're a cup contender. You need cap room to address minor (or not so minor) gaps by the deadline.

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 11:48 am EST

mf..... This just in.... Mega and Hellburg will be in the AHL this season, so I guess you get your wish.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 11:48 am EST

Apparently the Hawks have up to 8 NHL ready or soon to be prospects in their system. *sigh*

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 11:47 am EST

Cap Dollars: *IF* The Rangers move Megma & Hellberg down and trade Tanner Glass, we have $12,250,000 in available Cap Space....... Some salary approximations which hopefully are close: *IF* Stepan can be signed to a Cap Hit of $6.25mill or less and Sheppard $1.2mm, McIlrath $1.1mm, Miller $1mm, Fast $1mm, Etem $900K, Lindberg $800K, we will be at the $71.4mm limit........ This scenario gives us 13 forwards and 8 defensemen .......

mf


Sat Jul 11 2015 11:46 am EST

Per Andy Strickland.... Free Agent Chris Stewart is nearing a 1-year deal with the Ducks. Announcement expected soon.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 11:37 am EST

I'm sure this piece will go over well(sarcasm). BTW, Sheppard is still out there waiting to be signed. Maybe he's waiting on Stepan's cap hit is to see if there is any money left for him.... maybe not..... http://bluelinestation.com/2015/07/11/new-york-rangers-part-ways-dominic-moore/ ....TD.....In regard to the Hawks: I totally agree. They don't seem quite as imposing now. I keep thinking, couldn't they have traded Sharp and his entire cap hit for just a pick and then kept Saad?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:48 am EST

Then again I don't like nhl refs... Go back to 1 and put the other between the benches ...

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:44 am EST

What I don't like is refs sometimes leaving a broken stick , helmet , or glove on the ice while play continues ....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:41 am EST

I thought Kovalev did a stick toss once too... Anyway... Per NHL rule 10.3, “a player who has lost or broken his stick may only receive a stick at his own players’ bench or be handed one from a teammate on the ice. A player will be penalized (with a minor penalty) if he throws, tosses, slides or shoots a stick to a teammate on the ice.”

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:37 am EST

Bob you beat me too it but at least my memory is somewhat working

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:35 am EST

I think dreary drury got a penalty for throwing his stick to a teammate .... If memory serves ...

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:34 am EST

WIOSA--the only reason I know this is when Drury was involved years ago. The Rangers were shorthanded and he tossed a stick about 2 feet to a defenseman and got a penalty for it. The ref looked almost apologetic that he HAD to call it. They went 2 men down and got scored on.

Bob


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:32 am EST

Jitters , not the brightest bulb, is a lefty and if he has a curve a little tough for Boyle a righty to use . I'm not sure what all the fuss is over Boyle but then again when people put players under a microscope it's easy to see mistakes all the other d men make that are overlooked. The guy was good in the playoffs and looked good before breaking his hand but he seems to get nervous and panic sometimes. His pay if no cap is meaningless . The cap should be set at $100,000,000 and stop the bs . Pay a luxury tax above the 71 .... That's how they can keep a home grown team together .... What's going on now hurts fans ....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:27 am EST

Bob,,,ahh, okay. Mystery solved...kind of stupid rule, little nit picky I would say. Don't blame Miller for not knowing that .

WIOSA


Sat Jul 11 2015 10:05 am EST

You can hand a stick to a teammate. You cannot toss one to a teammate. Tossing it is a penalty.

Bob


Sat Jul 11 2015 9:56 am EST

York/TD ....here, and if you watch closely, Dan Intentionally avoids taking/catching that stick. They don't show you in this his reaction on the bench. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrOGi1ddUDE

WIOSA


Sat Jul 11 2015 9:54 am EST

I agree with RF4L. Sharp is on the downside and the Hawks got a decent return for him.

Bob


Sat Jul 11 2015 9:07 am EST

Yeah I was gonna say...I didn't know of any rule that says you can't give your stick to a player without one...D-men will sometimes do that for the goalie if he loses his paddle. And when I was playing, that was what you did if you're a forward and your defenseman breaks his stick and can't get to the bench.

tdchi


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:48 am EST

York18, Interesting. That is what I thought, but I never looked it up. The announcer said it would've been a penalty, whoever that was announcing. Wonder why Boylel was so annoyed ? Thanks for the info

WIOSA


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:24 am EST

Do concur that Bowman hasn't done his usual with these 2 moves (got futures) but there's one more to go: Brian Bickell. He'll probably land a first and prospects.

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:23 am EST

Stevielegs....I tend to agree. Makes me wonder about Zucc...Im hoping he'll be back to normal.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:22 am EST

WIOSA unless they put a new rule in a player can exchange sticks seen it done many times. The logical explanation if the didn't put a new rule in was that miller was skating out of position to hand his stick over to then skate to the bench to get a new one when Boyle can skate to the bench and the equiptment manager would have seen Boyle without a stick and would have his stick ready exchanging would mean confusion.

York18


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:20 am EST

Sharp had a very mediocre POs - he scored but 5 goals. Somehow the Hawks won the cup without him. IMO, he's a declining asset who's making too much money (thank goodness Sather's not GMing anymore - whew!). Trevor Daley will replace Johnny Oduya. Garbutt is a depth forward. The only thing I'd be unhappy about if I was a Hawks fan is that no futures were brought back.

RF4L


Sat Jul 11 2015 8:14 am EST

Guys with head injuries are rarely the same player after them.

stevielegs


Sat Jul 11 2015 6:54 am EST

I like Boyle, and said a few times that I liked his defensive game. Actually more than once I saw him keep a puck in when opposition tried to clear it. I do remember one incident that was a bit amusing...Boyle had lost his stick, broken or kicked away I don't remember, Miller tried to give him HIS (Miller's ) stick with the intention of getting back to the bench to get another one. Boyle shouted "no" at him. Boyle went back to the bench and got a stick. At the end of the shift, Boyle said something to JT about it, and did a cuckoo sign (spinning his finger and pointing at his head) I laughed. Until that incident I had no idea that a player could not give another player (on ice) their stick. I mean I knew you couldn't take a goalies stick, but had no clue they couldn't do that. Guess he felt JT should've known that. Actually I had no problem with us getting MSL either (2 seasons ago), what we PAID to get him was baffling as we were clearly in the drivers seat on that deal. That said his first season with us was good, and nobody would've b*tched again, had we beat LA. Last season he lost steam midway through, and was looking like a liability. It was hard to see his game, difficult to figure out what he was doing on ice. Im glad he chose to retire. He had a great career,,,,and it was time. As for working for a team, it should be the Bolts. That is where he spent many years. Just as always, MHO

WIOSA


Sat Jul 11 2015 6:45 am EST

rhet0ric - agree, re: the SHARP trade. Granted, Chicago needed D. But the return for a perennial 30-goal scorer and a MAJOR reason the Hawks have three cups was lacking. Another thing is that with the SAAD and now Sharp trades, Bowman really hasn't gotten much back in the way of up-and-coming players. Most are already established. And that's just not a good direction for a team that's going to need a youth infusion in four or five years...know the Hawks were in a tough spot, but they've really weakened their team for little return.

tdchi


Sat Jul 11 2015 1:20 am EST

Glad the Rangers retained HRIVIK...good kid, though I suspect he won't break through with the Rangers...he's another that will have to pass through waivers...Hrivik to me is always sort of a sad story. He was well on his way to the NHL...guy was a top-line player in Hartford the minute he landed there...but got his clock cleaned halfway through his first professional year. I was in the stands for it and it wasn't pretty...hasn't been the same player since...There was a point when Gernander had him on third and fourth line...But on a positive note, I saw flashes of what he was before that hit this past season...seems like he's coming around a bit. But on the organizational chart, he's below LINDBERG and BOURQUE for sure...tough to see him make it to the Rangers, but if he does, it'd be a real feel-good story. The guy has the tools and the size...but the concussion he took...just hasn't seemed to come back from it. REALLY hope he's turned the corner.

tdchi


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:34 am EST

No offense to the players whom Chicago got, but they way overpaid for them. This deal feels a lot like the Amonte deal. Also, they only saved $2.5 Mil.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 11 2015 12:23 am EST

JFC--I like Garbutt. Can skate, tough like sandpaper, and Daley is reliable. Good move.

Bob


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:31 pm EST

Jerry: I'll call a spade a spade and someone else can do the footwork if they feel passions but I would be willing to bet the house that Girardi had a penchant for turnovers far exceeding Boyle. And again, I point out that I'm not raining on his offensive parade because we know it's gone for good. I'm arguing that there is a perception on Boyle that he was a liability in the playoffs and while on a long enough playoff run every player lights a tire fire in a game, Boyle didn't hurt his team in his own end. Girardi OTOH coughs up pucks left and right and showed me far less discipline with the caveat that he drew a lot more tough assignments. I'm adding that while the New York Rangers are likely married to Boyle as a player on the ice, he hasn't hurt them. Obviously, we can long for some more timely offense here and there. After all isn't that why they wanted him? Which I didn't understand because he was playing with a much more savvy crew in SJ for years on the PP and he couldn't do anything with it. So much so that SJ essentially fired him. We can piss and moan about the guys contract all day long and how we'd like to see something different supplant him. I'm with anyone on that frequency. But barring a serious erosion to his game thru 82, he should be okay. Unlike Marty St. Louis, he showed no sign of age induces fatigue relegating him out of the tough places on the ice. So, economically I'd like to see him go. Offensively, he's not the answer. Defensively, he is competent. And there are players far more useless on the bench in my eyes.

E


Fri Jul 10 2015 8:56 pm EST

E: Boyle was the main person who screwed up on game one against the caps with 4 seconds to go. He had some major blunders during the regular season some where put the puck in the wide open net. Some call it put the puck in the ocean,

Jerry_Garcia


Fri Jul 10 2015 8:53 pm EST

Bob -- as a salary dump, yeah....but the players they got in return? Chicago lost the trade but gained cap relief....they are weaker on the ice AFAIAC.

JFC31


Fri Jul 10 2015 8:14 pm EST

Patrick Sharp for Trevor Daley and Ryan Garbutt. Another good move by Chicago.

Bob


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:53 pm EST

Stevielegs LOL, you have the gift of gab. That said, that link you posted on Hagelin, did not make me feel better about that trade. Sigh......HIP, he sounds promising, to be honest, so does Emersen but we need to go for a cup now, not in two years. We really needed that P/F IMHO. I think I was being too optimistic about us packaging together a Dman and Cam and getting a roster power forward. The only rookies I think would make me feel 'ok' are McDavid and Eichel....

WIOSA


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:25 pm EST

WIOSA, -- This kid Hrivik is in the power forward mold you've been talking about. I like this kid. He played hard in the preseason last year. I thought he deserved a longer look. He should of lasted another cut. I know he is considered a long shot, but I think he might surprise and make a push.

hipcheck


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:23 pm EST

Wiosa it's called having fan satheritis pocketightis ....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 5:22 pm EST

Just my observation, but it's kind of funny how we all felt this team was good enough to win the cup (it was) yet feel none of our players are worth the top line salaries. SMH, curious...very curious indeed.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 10 2015 5:09 pm EST

John Scott signed a 1-year deal with the Coyotes.How does this man still have a job?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 4:40 pm EST

WILD.... it's very possible that not everyone is using these terms correctly these days, but doesn't the phrase "agreed to terms" mean that both sides have agreed to the framework of a deal but that it hasn't been signed yet? When they use the word(s) signed or inked it's means that it's 100% done. For example, the other day DeAndre Jordan agreed to terms with the Dallas Mavericks but he never sighed with them. As a result, a few days later, he re-signed with the L.A. Clippers.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 3:37 pm EST

Here is something for those who are upset/worried about deals not being signed. A few years back an RFA signed in like August, he said that the deal was agreed to and kicked in for like 5 or 6 weeks but he was out of the country and with family so it waited till he got back and they only announce it when it's all signed up. If any of the RFAs are going to just sign their qualifying offers it might wait until they resume training near NY, now or later matters little. Not saying that is the deal with them all, but something to think about.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 2:46 pm EST

Nyquist gets $19,000,000 over 4 years....

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 2:41 pm EST

There's one... Per Steve Zipay.... RFA Marek Hrivik and #NYR have agreed to terms

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 2:23 pm EST

E. Boyle didn't force things? I totally disagree. He actually turned the puck over in his own end several times last year trying to make something out of nothing. Maybe when he was younger it was more frequent but no.way was he constantly calm under pressure. And a lot of that pressure was self made because I think he's lost a step but refused to admit/recognize it.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 2:17 pm EST

And I must add (as someone who has been watching Boyle play for a longtime) that for someone whose offensive game is obviously not remotely where it once was, Boyle never in my eyes looked faded, struggling or anything else physically. Kid played some good hockey. I realize that he has to take chances to do his thing offensively. Something that I'd excuse most times because the nature of his role but what I didn't see as much is a penchant to force it. If he didn't have the time and space he'd make a nice low risk play and live to fight another day vs when he was younger when your live and die with some of the crazy things who could do. Things that made him look like a genius on the highlights. Frankly, over 82 Boyle lacked consistency and clearly define role. In the playoffs for the most part he brought a lot of poise and savvy to the blueline. And so like everything else, I don't conflate the business end of the equation to the performance on the ice. Boyle the player I like. I think if he can continue even without the offense he is a steady and reliable pairing. The economics sucks for sure but having the guy coming off of the books next spring fixes itself. So really the big point of contention is what to do with as Step. I've never been crushing on the guy. He can't skate for crap but he makes up for it with smarts. But I think his top out is where it is. Basically a 60-70 point forward. That's steady to me but nothing that makes you ooh and ahhh. But here we are in an offseason where the New York Rangers lost a major point presence on the top-6 with Marty St. Louis and now you're gonna send Step and his production off to the pasture??? Some tough decisions coming up here. I'm not envious of our intrepid new GM. He wasn't left with the healthiest of scenarios. Even if he had something major to do with it.

E


Fri Jul 10 2015 2:01 pm EST

Good afternoon. For your reading pleasure....http://www.colliganhockey.com/nhl-cba-35-older-contracts/

ges999


Fri Jul 10 2015 1:44 pm EST

I realize the likelihood of Boyle agreeing to a trade is slim, but why can't the Rangers eat a portion of it? Is this another wrinkle of the over 35 rule?

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 1:08 pm EST

hopefully veenknow rotates boyle, Klein, and girardi by putting big mac in......and uses limburger the same way with moore, glass, etc.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 1:06 pm EST

E...... I totally agree. Like I've said before, we also can't eat any part of his contract. His cap hit, plus a cap increase next season is what's going to help pay for re-signing Yandle, Kreider and Hayes.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 12:57 pm EST

I know that some of you wanna imagine a world where Boyle moves but he is gonna be in a New York Rangers jersey this coming season. I just don't see it happening any other way. He'll either play well which he did for parts of the season, or he will fade fast and who'll want that contract?

E


Fri Jul 10 2015 12:41 pm EST

they use gm by committee....with glennie making the final call unless he agrees with the fisherman......Gorton thinks he's making the calls.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 12:24 pm EST

RFL: Assuming they can get Boyle to waive the crazy NMC Sather threw at him, I would imagine they would have to agree to take on a % of the salary. The trick is how much? The Leafs are paying 25% of Kessels deal so for the arguments sake lets keep with that % (again- assuming Boyle accepts a trade which is likely zero) the Rangers would be on the hook for $1,125M which is a lot better but they still have that 4th line sink hole of a salary tied to Glass. On another note, they better figure how to clean their cap issues out quickly because it has a profound effect on keeping or letting Yandle go. The decision on Yandle is not a cap driven issue for this coming year because of the Yotes footing half his bill. I have a feeling the reason he hasnt been traded already is because they do know what it will take to re-sign him and have factored in Boyles departure (next year) as giving them the ability to pay him what he wants. However, the way this team has historically pissed away and mismanaged assets, I may be giving them way too much credit. Hopefully Gorton is a breath of fresh air in that regard.

PatrickDiv


Fri Jul 10 2015 12:22 pm EST

I might be getting impatient, but this is so Jeff Gorton's MO. Not only have we not signed Stepan, Fast, Etem or Miller yet, but we haven't signed McIlrath, Lindberg or Hrivik either. Waiting.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 12:02 pm EST

http://blueseatblogs.com/2015/06/16/projecting-carl-hagelins-next-contract/

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:57 am EST

The thing with Zucc that should be pointed out is that i am sure playing in the NHL on an original six team get's him quite a few endorsements in his native Hobbiton. He is currently the only Norwegian playing in the NHL. You'd think it would have to be lucrative .....Stevie.... Even if Hags took the same pay he made on his last deal, it would still be too much

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:51 am EST

rf4l it's just a matter of probably the nyr can't afford to sign him to a long term deal, and will make an arbitration deal possibly without going to arbiter. and it will cost them more to sign him long term when they can fit him in the cap, hopefully before he becomes an ufa in 2 years. ...but he too needs to give a bazookerella discount.....which I'm pretty sure hagelin would have done, but that's split milk.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:48 am EST

And then Stepan has the next 5 years to,prove he is an elite NHL center and he strikes it even richer as a potential UFA...

JFC31


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:47 am EST

The NYR did sign someone......Per Jim Cerny...... #NYR agree to terms with goaltender Magnus Hellberg.... Recently acquired from Preds..6-foot-6 Swede

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:46 am EST

Wild: Yep, that could work with Stepan being paid the average. If he's willing to accept that.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:45 am EST

now that deal I just posted would need Step to want to remain a Rangers player and have a chance at a cup in NY. Zucc, and others took less than they could have gotten in order to stay with the NYR, time for Stepan to step up and prove he wants to be a Ranger like he says. If he refuses a deal like that one (and thats not a bad deal mind you) than he doesn't really want to have winning be the top thing on his list.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:41 am EST

4.5, 5.75, 7, 7.5, 7.75. Thats a 5 years 32.5 million deal or 6.5 per.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:33 am EST

BTW, for those interested in knowing the straight facts about what can and cannot be used in an arbitration hearing, here ya go (courtesy of Elliote Friedman): http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/derek-stepan/what-is-and-isnt-admissible-in-derek-stepans-arbitration-hearing/

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:32 am EST

JFC: Re Stepan's glorious payday coming - yep, I concur. We'll find out in the next few weeks.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:28 am EST

NHL.com Dan Rosen 7/8/15 What kind of deal do you think Derek Stepan will get looking at the Ryan O'Reilly deal and the way he negotiated last time? -- @EbenezerZane "The Rangers may not like it, but if they want to sign Stepan to a long-term contract it will have to be in the neighborhood of the seven-year, $52.5 million contract O'Reilly signed with the Sabres. If they want to sign Stepan to a short-term contract, the average annual value of the contract will still have to be in the neighborhood of $7 million or north, and they risk losing him in unrestricted free agency in two years. O'Reilly is the perfect comparable to Stepan in terms of age, position, production, etc. Stepan, who is seven months older, has actually been better than O'Reilly and has won more too. Stepan has averaged 0.696 points per game through 362 games in his NHL career; O'Reilly has averaged 0.576 PPG through 427 games. Stepan has 89 goals, 163 assists and 252 points; O'Reilly has 90 goals, 156 assists and 246 points. Stepan is a plus-85; O'Reilly is a minus-13 (though this stat is as reflective on the team as it is the player, and the Rangers have been better than the Colorado Avalanche). The playoff numbers aren't comparable because Stepan has played in 80 playoff games; O'Reilly in 13. There is no way around it for the Rangers; if they want to keep Stepan, they have to pay him a lot of money and have him take up a significant chunk on their cap. But he is their best two-way center, a top penalty killer, power-play threat, and one of the team leaders. Those players get paid. Stepan will."

JFC31


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:27 am EST

RF4L...I only care about the cap hit. Comparable centers have already been making $6.5 Mil per average. $7-7.5 Mil no longer gets you the same quality of player that it once did. .In regard to the contract: they could also do a reverse years deal. Where they pay him the bigger money in the earlier years and the lesser money in the later years. It would be more attractive to Stepan if there is a lockout(whch let's face it, there will be) and more attractive to interested teams if the NYR inevitably trade him. IMO, once the NYR are no longer a "go for it all" team, they should then deal him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:25 am EST

the way players keep getting more $. a gm needs to move faster to figure out what to do or not. waiting usually makes it more costly, or forcing a trade. which I doubt they are planning to begin with....... haste makes waste....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:25 am EST

That article doesn't mention what Stepan originally wanted - a long term deal paying him around $5,000,000, something Sather was never prepared to offer IMO. I find it difficult to fathom that he's prepared to take less this time around. Of course, I could be wrong (yeah, I know that doesn't happen very often!).

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:18 am EST

Does anyone remember that Dubinsky held out twice? BTW, Stepan did get a little more money by holding out. The NYR wanted to pay him less than $3 Mil and he ended up getting a little bit more than $3 Mil with the 2nd year being higher so he could get a higher qualifying offer from the NYR on the next deal. IMO, It's hard to characterize the guy as being greedy... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/derek-rangers-step-agree-new-deal-article-1.1468503

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:16 am EST

Rhet: I've no doubt some of the cap hit will be pushed to the latter years of the contract. However, $7,000,000 per whether or not you pay now or later, is still to much IMO.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 11:06 am EST

RF4L...Step still has 2 RFA years left. That's where we will be able to reduce his cap hit. I'm sure the last 2-3 years of his deal will be between $7-7.5 Mil, but the first two years wont be even close .....York/Wild....In regard to Traverse City: Too true. Wishful thinking on my part to get around the waiver rules, but both players are eligible to play there. Even if it wont ever happen :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:57 am EST

This Jason Pierre-Paul incident is getting even weirder. Wouldn't a normal person seek out the advice of an expert first before making the decision to amputate your finger? .... "Now facing a recovery process after reportedly having his right index finger amputated and suffering multiple thumb fractures, Pierre-Paul won't sign the one-year tender until he's healthy enough to pass his physical, according to Ed Werder of ESPN." "In further delaying the move, the 26-year-old prevents the Giants from being able to place him on the non-football injury list while he recovers. Players that begin the season on the NFI list aren't eligible to return until after Week 6, nor are they entitled to their full salaries while away from the field." ..... http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/793247

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:50 am EST

if they can't afford what stepan is asking, they'll have to afford what the arbiter decides....they can't trade him unless they get a center to replace him, and not one of the kids.....here comes jumbo joe.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:47 am EST

RF4L: I can't remember the last time one side "won" in arbitration. And in Steps case the only comparable are making 5.5-6.5 mil. He wont get the top end and he wont get the low end, so he will likely get 6 mil from arbitration. Thats a win/win- lose/lose. for the team and him, just like most arbitration cases are. Most of the time, if the players agent and the GM could have been realistic they would come to the same deal the arbitrator does on their own and why most arbitration hearing never take place. As the hearing gets close both sides know what the outcome will likely be, so they hammer out a deal. I would guess the same thing will happen here, if they can't come to terms on a long term deal they will sign one thats a little shorter, maybe 2 years to get to UFA for Step, and it can end with a 7 mil salary giving him negotiating position to erat the next contract negotiations.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:44 am EST

RF4L: Peter huh....I think 7 mil is a little much for the old man. LOL. I know who you meant BTW, just giving a hard time. As for Stepan and his agent. Sure his agent can try to get a bigger long term deal. But the Rangers can sit back and let an arbitrator give him 6 for 2 years and they can "save" and if he doesn't like it, tough, you filed for Arbitration, now live with it. And if he really doesn't like it a team would pay out the nose for a guy like him and he can go play for a non-contender. Or he can sign a good deal that makes less than his max value on the market in order to stay with the Rangers. He may have leverage, but its not like the Rangers fall apart with him gone...well depending on the return from a trade or two that is.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:40 am EST

And how much bitterness remains in the Stepan camp from the last acrimonious negotiations? Stepan lost that battle but not after holding out and missing camp. He had no leverage that time - this time he does. There's a strong chance he wins the arbitration ruling but even if he doesn't, he'll still make good money then become an UFA in the summer of 17. If I'm the Rangers I guess that's plan 2B (plan A being sign him long term at a figure I like and plan 1B being trading him). The good news this time around is that this won't be dragged out thru the summer and potentially thru camp/the first part of the season because the arbitration date, if no settlement is made beforehand, will put the matter to bed.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:34 am EST

Arc: The ROR contract stipulation applies only to arbitration. Right now, as Gorton and Stepan's agent barter, it for sure can and will come into play. Here's another argument that the Stepan camp will surely put forth: Who would you rather have? Stepan or Peter Statsny? The latter signed a long term deal last summer at $7,000,000 per. Jason Spezza's deal, signed last summer, pays him $7,500,000. If Stepan wants big money, he's gonna get it - I think that's really obvious.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:29 am EST

Hospo au contraire mon frère.....parlez vous wallez

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:25 am EST

Hospital- step back from the ledge old man Steps not going anywhere. I can't believe I've been responding to you for goin on 20 years. Christ! Don't know if it was mentioned but O'Riely's contract with Buffalo IN NOT going to be admissible as a comparable for Step's arbitration (because some crap about ROR contract is technically to begin when he is a UFA. So Brooksey got it wrong and he'll prob go for something in neighborhood of 6/per

_Arc


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:16 am EST

WILD - up to you if you want to use that logic where it doesn't apply...McDavid has showed he is one in a generation or close at his level..Lindberger has only showed about what 50 AHL forwards (or more) show every year....But, you can assume they are similar if you want..

Hospo


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:03 am EST

Hospo: using that flawed logic I can say its a good thing the Rangers didn't have the number 1 overall..Mcdavid hasn't even proven he can play the pro game....he's just a kid who can play at the Junior level.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:03 am EST

RF4L ---FTR? that just brought back a memory...ANybody here remember FSR that used to post?...Damn, getting old....But, I Understand, I was always looking at the entire package--Steps type of game, what the Rangers already have, and Step's potential demand when I suggested trading him before other pieces..

Hospo


Fri Jul 10 2015 10:00 am EST

RF4L - IFFFF the Rangers trade Step for Cap/salary reasons, I think their goal would be to take as little a step back as possible.....which means a young NHL forward or two would be their goal....Unless it's the first move, with several to follow...

Hospo


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:59 am EST

Hospo: FTR, I'm not advocating trading Stepan. However, if he wants his big day, there's really no choice - he can barely fit under the cap at what we originally argued over he'd come in at ($5,500,000); at $7,000,000 he simply doesn't fit - unless Gorton is able to convince Staal or Girardi to wave their NMCs.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:57 am EST

Could the Rangers convince another team to take Dan Boyle if the Rangers ate 1/2 his salary? That's better than cutting him - that over 35 contract means they're on the hook for his salary. Boyle at half his salary for a 2nd perhaps? That frees up room for Ryan Ellis.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:57 am EST

Love the noise about Stepan being traded..Don't understand the noise about the love of Lindberger, who has proven nothing but that he can be a good AHL player....Like just granting Big Mac a spot on the 2nd pair ..Oh well, it's up to the Rangers, not me or anybody else.

Hospo


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:56 am EST

Wild: I think we can safely say that it's a guarantee Nashville would be interested. Stepan would immediately slide into their number 1 spot (which is true, mind you, for both Florida and the Jets). Ellis is signed for the next 4 years at a cap friendly hit of $2,500,000. What about Ellis, Austin Watson and the Preds first rounder next year??

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:45 am EST

RF4L: Sure I would take that trade, as long as Gorton could swing another trade, lets say Klein and a 2nd or a prospect for a top 6 forward. There has got to be a team willing to do that and in need of a good Dman.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:43 am EST

RF4L: The Rangers could take back cap...just not the same amount that Step opens up. I mean, they could take back a 4 mil per guy, even a 5-5.5 mil per guy. This will only be a really big issue if Step is going to get 6.5+ long term starting this season, less than that they can probably make the cap work right with the Rangers.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:30 am EST

To add to that last post, I think Nashville would be a team that would want him. Don't know if they have what it takes to get him or not. But their top two centers are 35 and Their 3rd or 4th center is 33, they have a single 20 something at center. After that its kids who haven't really torn it up at the AHL level, so they are not top 6 material, at least not any time soon.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:29 am EST

The Jets are another team that surely would be interested and have both the cap room and prospects to offer up in return. When I look at what they have to offer in return it's hits me again why they struggle yearly to make the POs - they lack top end skill on their forward lines. That said, they've got a very impressive list of prospects. So would a return like next year's first and 2 top prospects work?

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:19 am EST

Pat: The Wings are $4,000,000 short of the cap - they couldn't do it I suspect. Either that or the Rangers have to take salary back but that kinda defeats the purpose. Florida has plenty of cap room. So does Nashville. The problem with the Preds is I don't see anything of real value they can offer the Rangers, unless the Rangers are prepared to take back a D man. Ryan Ellis would be a great addition to the Rangers PP but he's not big and with Dan Boyle already on board, is sort of a duplicate (albeit one that's 14 years younger). Columbus is like the Wings - $4,000,000 shy of the cap so Stepan couldn't go there.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:14 am EST

Wild: Probably true - definitely Gorton would be in the driver's seat because he'd have plenty of suitors. If Florida came calling, the return would start with one of Huberdeau/Barkov, next year's first and a prospect. I'd ask for Bjugstad first, but I highly doubt the Panthers would part with him - he led their team in scoring last year and is still maturing. Ekblad is another I'd ask about, but he's surely more untouchable than Bjugstad.

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:11 am EST

If Stepan is to depart via trade a potential fit might be Detroit. Older core of Zetterberg and Datsuk (& now Brad Richards) with some very good young talent (Larkin, Mantha & Pulkkinen) along with an RFA in Nyquist...

PatrickDiv


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:05 am EST

Article about Stralberg: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=774433&navid=nhl:topheads

JFC31


Fri Jul 10 2015 9:05 am EST

RF4L: I imagine the list would be longer than we think. There would also be teams with a number 1 but nothing much behind that. So Step as their number 2 if they want to spend that way. Quite frankly I think any team with the cap space would at least be interested

Wildcard


Fri Jul 10 2015 8:55 am EST

Just curious - if Stepan is being shopped, what teams might be interested? An immediate thought is Nashville, who are always seeking out offensive forwards. Florida and Columbus would both likely be very interested, too and unlike the Predators, both have a bevy of interesting young players to offer up in return (especially the Panthers).

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 8:06 am EST

sounds to me the nyr should be ok with replacing msl and hagelin to some degree.....battle for the last 2 spots will be veenknow picking his type of player and Gorton fish not losing guys in waivers....and the d has 8 so Diaz might have to go down......limburger big mac will have to be sandwiched in...pun intended.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 10 2015 7:53 am EST

If Stepan is moved, unless a center comes back I assume both Hayes and Lindbergh would get starting spots at center. Risky business indeed if you're planning on contending for a cup, but that's life in a cap world I guess. When is Stepan's hearing? If he's going to be traded, it'll be after that (unless he's signed and then promptly traded, which seems unlikely).

RF4L


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:55 am EST

As of now, my lines would go as follows: MILLER-STEPAN-KREIDER: Perfect complementary players. Sandpaper, speed and finesse. Could see breakout years from both wings. NASH-BRASSARD-ZUCC: No real discussion here. The line worked and if it weren't for Zucc's injury, I suspect the fate of the Rangers offense would have been much different. ETEM-HAYES-FAST: You've got speed...and a lot of it...size...and skill...this is a line that could be nasty...again, very complementary players. Though Hayes is horrible at faceoffs, this is sort of a no-brainer third line...your most-skilled guys. Rolling them with the other two lines would work well...and then LINDBERG/STALBERG-MOORE-GLASS: Less thrilled about this one, but Lindberg would be a very solid fourth liner and would give the Rangers another situational faceoff guy. My alternate third line would be to bump Etem down to fourth and have HAYES-LINDBERG-FAST: My belief has always been Hayes is better at wing and I think much of his drop off last season was more from the shear length of the season(he never played over 60 games in a year) and being in his first playoffs. Let Lindberg take the faceoffs and swap if need be necessary...but frankly, I'd rather have Oscar in the middle. And get him with Fast. They work great together. Also wouldn't be opposed to swapping MILLER and HAYES on lines one and three. ETEM/STALBERG-MOORE-GLASS: I'd much rather just sit Glass...but we all know that ain't happening...regarding the spare parts...I think it's very telling who the Rangers gave numbers to yesterday...not among them were MEGNA, GIBBONS and ADAM...that to me means they're all starting in Hartford...they also gave away Ryan BOURQUE'S 25 he wore down the stretch.

tdchi


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:37 am EST

York - As always, I guess, the situation seems fluid...I REALLY don't think STEPAN is going anywhere...but when a guy like Carp is saying he's got one foot out the door, I take notice...one thing for the fear-mongering Brooksie to bring that sort of thing up...Carp, though, is usually on the level...but if Stepan is traded, then everything goes to pot...a lot of people are comparing what Step will command in salary to Ryan O'REILLY...well, I honestly think Step's the better player and would command at least as much of a haul as the Sabres gave up for ROR...and that means two NHL-ready prospects, a nice pick and a good blue chipper...And if Step goes...well, that's a huge piece of your lineup that needs to be rejiggered and tweaked...lord knows what happens when/if that happens and who slides where.

tdchi


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:29 am EST

rhet0ric - you bring up a great point about LINDBERG. He's another who will have to go through re-entry waivers who I strongly doubt will make it through 29 teams to go back to Hartford. My guess is that unless he's a real dud in camp, he at least stays with the team as a 13th forward...and, come to think of it, BOURQUE too needs to go through waivers...though I could see him sneaking back down...still, I'd say a 50-50 chance some other team grabs him...TOTALLY agree on OKSANEN...but FWIW, he hasn't withdrawn from school and as far as I know, he's planning to play for a much-diminished Terriers squad...could always opt to leave for his senior year at the last minute...but I suspect he'll play it out and then see who his suitors are in April...I was kind of surprise he didn't join his linemates in the mass exodus...but maybe he feels or has been told he has to reproduce the numbers he put up without EICHEL...Agree too on MOMESSO and BENGTSSON...though I don't think too many teams are going to be breaking the former's door down, the latter could be a find from what I understand.

tdchi


Fri Jul 10 2015 6:10 am EST

Rhet why would either be in traverse? There is no way either play there that's for kids not ahl players ready to move up...,,Hospo comparing miller to Lindberg is horrible Lindberg is a smart two way forward who is defensively responsible and doesn't make high risk stupid plays. The guy is smart in all three zones and has a nasty side to his game and doesn't have any of the mistakes that miller was making in his game. His big thing was adjusting to the game here and he did that this year I like miller but he was an adventure shift to shift Lindberg is someone you can play in all situations and is very good on faceoffs. Here's the question who is lining up where this season? Hayes played his best hockey at center and declined when moved to the wing, miller played his best at wing and has struggled at center so what happens are they played in their natural positions or where they produced? Does Hayes at center make moving Stepan a reality because miller is not ready to take 2nd line center. If that happens you have Lindberg to take third line center or keep miller at third Lindberg at fourth and have four deep lines? I honestly have no idea where and how av values his existing guys and the guys pushing for a spot considering how close they were this offseason is a real question mark right now

York18


Fri Jul 10 2015 5:42 am EST

Rhet: I am about 99% sure neither Lindberg or McIlrath will be in Traverse and 100% sure both will be in camp unless they don't sign and hold out...but that would be crazy and I don't see that at all for the kids. Both of them have enough time in the pros that the Rangers don't send them to prospect stuff ( see the recent development camp) and both have too much value to just brush aside so they will get a good long look in camp even if it's just to make it look like they may make the team thus raising their trade value.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 9 2015 10:21 pm EST

RHET - I agree he looks ready for a shot at the NHL..I'm not saying he's a 4th line C for life, just that it (or as a sub) is not a bad place to start..And I sure as hell don't want to count on him to succeed in the NHL this year and especially don't see any C candidate I would take him over right now just based on insignificant AHL results..I also disagree about the excitement factor, I see him as another Fast, smart, responsible, a little this, a little that but far from exciting,,,.As for MILLER, he indeed might not be past his brain farts at C, but based on his progresssion IN THE NHL last year, this seems like the time to give him that shot...And, to me, MILLER should be the player to be excited about..once he puts it altoghether which I think should be this year--Has the speed, size, skill, physicality and attitude.

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:55 pm EST

Hospo...To me, Lindberg totally looks ready. He's at the point where he needs to be here to continue to be challenged. I also don't see him as a fourth line center, IMO he has a higher ceiling than that. Linberg is a player to be excited about. JT Miller has had plenty of problems with defensive coverages at the center pivot. I'm not convinced that he's past it, but would be happy to be proven wrong ....RF4L.. A lot of people here(and on Twitter) have said the same things about Kreider, I don't think anyone would disagree with you.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:44 pm EST

BOB - Not if he can hlep the Rangers out more in NY and also be moved in and out of the lineup..Hell, it's even mor than likely the top 12 forwards won't suit up opening night....Look, lord knows I'm not a youth monger but, given no real changes to the roster, you take it slow and steady with these kids, by mid year or so...you just may have Kreider, Hayes,Stepan, Miller, Fast, Etem and LIndberg probably somewhere in your top 12..That's pretty damn young...Good or bad is another question!

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:37 pm EST

He can, of course but if he is that, I would rather he get full time minutes in Hartford until he is needed and carry Bourque as #13.

Bob


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:37 pm EST

Rhet: That fulltilt author looks like he's been reading my posts about Kreider!!!!

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:28 pm EST

BOB - Why can't he be a 12th/13th forward for the Rangers ? Is that such a disgrace for a kid that has basically zero NHL experience to start out? Look, Moore should get some rest, Glass shouldn't play all the time and we all know ETEM will get benched..:)....There ill be plenty of Opportunities for him..

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:23 pm EST

Seriously, if Lindberg cannot hack the 3rd line, leave him in Hartford. If Moore is the #3 center, the Rangers are a wild card team at best.

Bob


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:07 pm EST

Moore is now 35 years old, unfortunately losing a step as he goes and people are moving him up from 4th line to 3rd line...I just don't get it..And, to me, MILLER might just be the best FO guy on the team now, you don't put him with the only other guy that wins them..To me, LINDBERG is a perfect substitute and eventual replacement for Moore

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:03 pm EST

RHET - Really? (And I'm not being a smartass!) That would signify a bubble team to me..I still see the following----- and let's pray to God that MZA is healthy----,,Nash-Brass-MZA; Kreider-Stepan-Hayes; Fast-Miller-Etem/Stal; Glass-Moore-Etem/Stal...the other option to me is Hayes cnetering the 3rd line with Miller on his wing taking FOs and Stalber/Etem on Step's line........Either way, you have to have MIller taking FOs regulalrly ....LINDBERG/GIBBONS as extras

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:49 pm EST

Nash-Brass-Zucc / Kreider-Stepan-Etem / Hayes-Moore-JTM / Stalberg-Lindberg-Fast /

Pal17


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:03 pm EST

That's if AV decides he needs to be transitioned in.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:02 pm EST

TD.... I expect both McIlrath and Lindberg to be at the Traverse City Tournament this year. Seeing as both players would need to clear waivers, I suspect if one player or the other has a bad tournie they may not get a camp invite(maybe not). Leslie Treff said she expects to see Free Agents offered contracts out of the tournament. I really hope the NYR don't drag their feet on Ahti Oksanen as I'll really be pissed if we don't sign him(as well as keeping an eye on Stefano Momesso & Lukas Bengtsson). There are still some really good un-drafted Free Agents out there ....E.... i suspect that if and when Klein is dealt it will be for a prospect or pick(s). I think they will save the balance of his money for the offseason so they can combine it with Boyle's savings to re-sign Yandle, Hayes and Kreider. If Kreider and Hayes both have breakout seasons, then we could be in some trouble or maybe we'll just need to move Girardi :) It would still be a great problem to have .....Hospo.... expect Moore will start the season on the 3rd line and Lindberg will start on the fourth.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:04 pm EST

LINDBERG isn't even close to being an NHL 3rd liner..Let's take some clues form the JT MILLER not ready experience over the last few years.....Though ready to graduate from the AHL, no room at the the inn for LINDBERG but nor should he just be given a spot...Why not take it slow with the kid? He first needs to prove he can be an extra forward/sub at the NHL level and then maybe a 4th liner before he is even remotley thought of as a 3rd liner...Kinda how Fast moved up...Ditto with MIller and Kreider a bit..The worst thing to do is give the kid or a spot or count on him for anything..

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:48 pm EST

Keep forgetting to weigh in on LINDBERG too...someone mentioned yesterday that he's NHL-ready...and that he's a sandpaper player...couldn't agree more. Said last fall the kid could use another year in Hartford and I stand by that assessment...the year did him a world of good...Great at faceoffs, plays with a chip on his shoulder...and any speculation about whether he and FAST have good chemistry...let's just put it to rest...they most certainly do. Two years ago, I watched those two OWN the Adirondack Flyers on the man advantage...they actually have similar styles of play...though Fast is much more offensively oriented, IMO, and...well...faster...but Lindberg is more of a douche on the ice...plays a bigger game. Not sure where he fits in the lineup, but I suspect he's another guy who helped make the decision to trade HAGELIN a lot easier...Him centering either STALBERG in ETEM or FAST would be a very good third line, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:40 pm EST

Naturally, I wouldn't put anything past this team...but I'll say this: I'd be floored if the Rangers tried to sneak McILRATH through waivers...absolutely dumbfounded...he's been a work in progress that is FINALLY paying off...I just don't see them running from that...I could pick at least five teams that would have no problem keeping him in the NHL all year next year...one of them I just mentioned: the Hawks...But he wouldn't even make it down that far...I would be willing to bet Buffalo would nab him at least as a seventh defender...more likely as a starter...And another thing: If the Rangers don't have faith that he'd make the team, I fully believe he'll be traded long before camp...in fact, he probably would have been moved at the draft table...My read on the situation is this: They suspect he'll be the sixth defender and he'll replace KLEIN, saving them about $1.5 million...Klein's value isn't going to increase or decrease between now and the start of the season...I suspect the real question among the Ranger brass is whether he's a sixth or seventh defenseman...and therein lies why they brought DIAZ in...if he's the seventh defender, Diaz is put on waivers and heads to Hartford...if he's the sixth defender, Klein, or less likely, BOYLE gets moved...obviously, the latter would make a hell of a lot more sense, given that his contract is up after the season...but I doubt they ask him to wave his NTC.

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:22 pm EST

PatrickDiv - SHAW ain't going anywhere. Not at least this season. I also question this notion that SHARP is being actively shopped...I think the clear odd man out is BICKELL, because they could easily replace him with Mark McNEILL...on D, Trevor VAN RIEMSDYK, Ville POKKA and Viktor SVEDBERG will compete for the open three spots...if ODUYA drops his price low, he'll join them in that competition...even in the event Sharp does get moved...man, they still have two or three prospects I could see playing in the NHL next season...Ryan HARTMAN and Vince HINOSTRAZA among them...their farm system is so crazy deep it's ridiculous. This past draft was probably the worst one they've had in the past decade because they moved a bunch of picks...but they hit pay dirt on at least the past three or four...enough so that when everyone was so shocked by the SAAD trade...I just kind of shrugged...tough to ditch a player like that, but what they have in the system...man, they can afford it.

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:10 pm EST

Pretty good read..... http://fulltiltnyr.com/chris-kreider-on-the-path-of-a-similar-star-power-forward/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:07 pm EST

RF4L - Wouldn't doubt it. LA is in that golden belt of non-hockey areas that he seems to love bringing the cup to so much...I could see the Kings being forgiven for his cap hit and penalized a seventh rounder...

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 5:59 pm EST

RHET: something's gotta give. Yandle despite a somewhat underwhelming introduction is gonna likely command around 6-million on the open market. Could the New York Rangers afford that? Probably not without getting some cap relief by dumping somewhere. But I must add that while some people have some down perceptions of Yandle that this is the best offensive force from the blue line in a long while to wear the blue shirt and he will be substantially better as he settles in. I would like to see yandle wrapped up for the long term.

E


Thu Jul 9 2015 5:48 pm EST

JFC.... Actually, this has been talked about quite a bit on Twitter for the past week or so. After all the trade rumors involving Kevin Klein died down the prevailing theories are that (a) The NYR are waiting to see if either McIrath or Skjei look ready in camp or (b) They're keeping him as insurance that neither is ready (c) They're also waiting to see where Stepan's cap hit ends up and will trade him to make room if needed and (d) All of the above.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 5:27 pm EST

Majored = inquired

JFC31


Thu Jul 9 2015 5:26 pm EST

According to Elliot Friedman (CBC), teams haven majored about Kevin Klein and Rangers do not want to trade him. As Imposted earlier, if Wrath can come in and show he is ready, maybe the Rangers would consider trading Klein. Either way, I think a d-man has to go....Wrath won't make it through waivers.

JFC31


Thu Jul 9 2015 4:31 pm EST

The NYR next order of business after re-signing their RFA's should be to sign Yandle to an extension. You don't give up what you gave up for Yandle just to let him get away. If he's looking for too much or wants to go to UFA, we need to find it out sooner rather than later. We need to look at our available options now rather then just at the deadline.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 4:24 pm EST

Moving Yandle I think won't be all that difficult considering his contract and pending UFA. But if anyone thinks the New York Rangers are gonna get back what they gave to AZ? I wouldn't be so sure. Klein I think could easily be jettisoned for something okay. So if Mack looks like he can crack, the New York Rangers will make space and look to use some relief to try to obtain a top-6 forward in my fantasy world. And Boyle won't be coming off the New York Rangers until the end of his contract.

E


Thu Jul 9 2015 3:49 pm EST

WIOSA I would guess no he doesn't watch the pack. If he had then he would have know skeij was rotated and scratched during his time in Hartford. That is hardly someone who is NHL ready now, he couldn't even take a regular spot on the starting D he was rotated as the 7th and was even sat. He did get better during his short time and I think he showed that he will be an NHL player sooner than later but he's at least a half season out maybe more. Great skater good first pass needs to learn when to jump in and when to stay back and to adjust to the faster paced pro game.

York18


Thu Jul 9 2015 3:43 pm EST

Hospo is very right in McL wasting if sent to Hartford. By seasons end players were avoiding coming down his side of the ice. He has a very well respected rep in the league and again like Hospo said no one was a challenge for him in the physical department either. There is only one thing I think he could get out of being in Hartford and that would be if they wanted him to work on his offensive game because he has a cannon. I don't see them risking waivers to do that. I believe the rangers would have dealt him in a package if they didn't plan on giving him a spot. I still remember a game from last season where McL kept getting hung out to dry by his partner had to have been the fourth time by the middle of the second and he had them coming down during a criss cross drop pass he read it and I thought he killed the guy he hit him so hard as soon as he hit him he sprung back up expecting to be challenged and I remember one guy skating towards them and mcL thought he wanted to go and the guy was like no no I'm just checking on my guy. You put this kid on waivers and he will bs the dman we are crying about needing and don't have. I think Klein is great and a bargain and personally I think you trade Boyle or Yandle before him he's cheaper and IMO better for the team Yandle will be gone as a ufa if he isn't moved first and Boyle well maybe it is Yandle who you move

York18


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:51 pm EST

NN, interesting. Curious, is he really a fan of minor league hockey ? Specifically the woflpack? Which is a nice way of asking does he have a clue what he's writing? LOL

WIOSA


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:26 pm EST

Semin on the other hand, is lazy...

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:25 pm EST

FTR, I don't know if Nobulov is lazy. What he sure is, however, is selfish and gives hardly a damn for the team that pays him.

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:23 pm EST

PATRICK - RF4L is the one you really have to watch out for lazy Russians!...although he thinks the two go hand in hand all the time..:)

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:18 pm EST

Ooops..Prez not King...!!

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:17 pm EST

STEVIE - One of the three original members with CHINSTRAP and the long gone KILL-EM-ALL..which i guess by default leaves me the KING..as if my posts didn't put that issue to rest!

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:05 pm EST

I have zero clue what the Rangers think .....HOSPO are you the pres of the cjc?.....all here are members, some won't admit it......

stevielegs


Thu Jul 9 2015 2:03 pm EST

Per NYR..... OFFICIAL New #NYR Player Numbers: @VStalberg #25...... @ARaanta31 #32...... @diaz_raphael_61 #33...... @tweetem_up #96 (Etem)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 1:44 pm EST

Radulov is indeed an UFA next season, which is when he's considering coming back to the NHL..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/alexander-radulov-says-hell-consider-nhl-return-next-season-as-ufa/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 1:41 pm EST

RF4L/Hospo: Boy am I glad I forgort to mention that Semins name came up in that conversation too (LOL)!!

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 9 2015 1:28 pm EST

Stay the hell away from Nobulov. Please...

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 1:20 pm EST

PATRICK - I drove the RADULOV bus his draft year and wanted him bad..Such a combo of phyiscal and skill...But some of the selfish and lazy shit he has pulled since then scares the hell out of me..I'd just stay away.......And I read something on here that stated he was a UFA and wanted to come back NEXT YEAR...

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 12:44 pm EST

Having a hockey discussion over lunch with a colleague and he mentioned to me that Radulov is UFA. Not sure if thats true or not but if so, that fella has a ton of talent and size to go with it. I know all of the past questions/issues with him and he likely wouldnt come cheap but if available, someone will pony up to bring him over

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 9 2015 12:37 pm EST

Isn't it the case that McI has to be with the team or waived? I can't see that last path, so as many have said, maybe it's No. 7 or a trade's coming. Anyway I'm on board again with this feckless group, the beloved NYR. I'm coming up Dec. 15 to see McDavid, Cam and the fabulous new Oilers. Maybe Nail the Yak in Ranger blue and KK or Staalsy on the other side? Doubtful, I guess.

Nick


Thu Jul 9 2015 12:35 pm EST

In this era in the NHL you simply must maximize all your assets. The Rangers a been guilty, even criminally so, of loosing assets for nothing. You can not let guys walk at the end of contracts left and right. You can not let guys like Mcl rot in the minors and lose all trade value. Have to fish or cut bait, you know.

NYStranger


Thu Jul 9 2015 10:55 am EST

I know the guy that wrote that McIrath article..he is in my business and I do speak to him from time to time.

DOUBLEN


Thu Jul 9 2015 10:55 am EST

Hospo: I agree - I'd rather see McI as the 7th D than waived based on what's been said about how he played last year for the Pack. Makes no sense to put him down there again unless you feel he simply cannot cut it at the NHL level. And the only way that happens, given the waiver situation, is all 29 other GMs feel the same way. If that's the case, it's Jessibust II.

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 10:32 am EST

WILD - McI as a 7th is much better than him wasting a year in Hartford..The Hartford games I watched of MCi he was steady as hell and clearly above the talent level and, worse, nobody seemed to really pjhyscally challenge him and mainly attacked the other side..Just what I observed......he ain't gonna develop more down there...There's no way McI is going to be as good as KLEIN for at least a few years but the Rangers sure as hell need depth--there will be many injuries-- and I'd much rather have McI ready and learning in NY then popping in this dumbfuck Diaz......Keeping him in the AHL does nothing for him at this point and only decreases his trade value..IMWO..But, again , my opinion and your's means didley, it's what the Rangers want...we shall see

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:30 am EST

Hospo: I don't think for one second the Rangers wanted McIlrath to play as the 7th. Cant play a kid such a small amount of time. SO he needs to be better or as good as Klein (or just less so that it make OK to move Klein for cap savings) and make the top 6. Diaz is the 7th and IMHO a decent guy to have step in if McIlrath needs to sit for a game of two and watch as coaches like to have kids do. But i think its Klein vs McIlrath. Unless both have just an outstanding camp maybe they will pressure Boyle to waive his NTC and take what they can get for him. But I think Kleins name was floated for a reason, but they are being smart and not committing to a kid until they see him in camp.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:15 am EST

BTW, the Hawks have 2 or 3 prized prospects ready for NHL promotion. They could free up more space by trading Kris Versteeg and replacing him with one of those kids.

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 9:13 am EST

Pat: I find it hard to believe either of Seabrook or Shaw are going anywhere. The Hawks are currently about $1,000,000 over the cap. Moving Sharp and Bickell, the 2 names I've heard the most, will free up nearly $10,000,000 leaving them, if both are traded for picks and prospects, $9,000,000 under the cap with only Marcus Kruger and a bottom pairing d-man to resign, along with 2 spare players. It's tight but no worse than the Rangers, except all their key players are signed (plus they have 3 cups in the past 5 years). That is a model franchise IMO.

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:45 am EST

Lots of smoke in Chicago re: possible trades to clear cap space but nothing developing as of yet. A friend of mine in CHI says lots of talk about who may be going where but it really is anyones guess what ultimatrly happens. That said, he had read/heard from local outlets speculation on anything from the well mnentioned Sharp to anywhere, Crawford going to Seabrook going to the Oil and possibly Andrew Shaw. The latter is a fav of mine and would fill a variety of needs on this team. Goes to the net, agitates and has some skill as well. Next season- I believe his last on his current deal- has his base salary of $2,500,000 which carries a cap hit of $2,000,000. If there is any possibility of his being moved I hope we get in on it. On another note- Bowman has done a great job there. He had a plan to target a group of talented players outside of the NHL and bring them in to play in the bottom 6 at very cap friendly #s. I am hoping all the talk of Gorton comes to fruition and he demonstrates the same shrewdness and ability. We can really use it!

PatrickDiv


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:36 am EST

...going thru hockey withdrawal desperately watching youtube videos now. MSG is either the Knicks, Giants or for some ungodly reason Summer hockey with the Islanders. Id rather have root canal.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:26 am EST

Could very well be that McI's development could be holding up a trade of Klein or Yadle (more likely Klein). Because of his contract situation, the Rangers will bring him to camp in September and if he wows them, it gives them the option of trading a D-man and saving some cap space.

JFC31


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:25 am EST

Interesting....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDh0c1oCUs Guess Ryan really didn't like this guy..lol... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4HxNl3zel0

WIOSA


Thu Jul 9 2015 8:10 am EST

I have zero clue what the Rangers think of Big MAC..and while I think McI is ready for a shot at the NHL, it's their opinion that matters...and if they think some waste of flesh like Raphael Diaz is a better option as a top 6-7 Dman, then they should have traded Big Mac's ass already when he still had a shred of trade value....Now this stuff of SKEJ being NHL ready now and Diaz being able to play 2nd pair D even in an injury apocalypse is utter nonsense

Hospo


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:57 am EST

Do the nyr have Big Mac penciled in as the 7 th d or are they willing to gamble and lose him thru waivers? He probably has little trade value that's why the rumors of shopping other d men. I would think sather has told gorton and veenknow what he wants to happen with him. I assume he will be on the roster unless veenknow demands otherwise...

stevielegs


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:52 am EST

TD: Given the way Buttphuck operates behind the scenes, I'd be willing to bet the Kings didn't proceed with the Richards move without that little prick's input/authority. If that's correct, this will be a protracted and potentially nasty fight. Buttphuck hates to lose.

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:49 am EST

Hopefully McD decides to injure the opposition, not his own teammates this season....

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:45 am EST

Mats Zuccarello said before his charity game in Norway that he will be ready for training camp and that he feels “very fresh.” (VG) He said he is no longer getting headaches and that doctors told him that his body feels 100%. (VG) (TV2) Zuccarello said that doctors told him once he recovered he will be fine and like he was before his injury. He said that once the fractured healed it was as if “nothing happened.” (TV2)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:32 am EST

The McI dilemma is one of several interesting stories for the Rangers heading into next season. It's heightened now because the Rangers cannot farm him out without waivers getting in the way. Given all that I've read about him, primarily by York and TD who watched him play several times this past year, I don't believe for a second he'd pass through waivers. Therefore, it's safe to say, I think, he'll be in the NHL this fall - it's now a matter of for which team. If he's gone it'll be the end to a very frustrating and disappointing chapter in Sather's questionable era.

RF4L


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:11 am EST

Rhet0ric - Should be real interesting to see how the Mike RICHARDS thing pans out...I just don't see how it won't end up in court...which I would think would have an ultimate impact on where Richards lands, IF he lands...can't play for anyone else if you're suing the Kings saying you have a contract to play with them...I suspect Lombardi is pulling some real fancy footwork here...bending rules in a MAJOR way to get the Kings under the cap...which is just weird, IMO...he's got the VOYNOV situation appearing as though it's going to wrap up...and then the Richards situation, where unless this guy was smuggling serious drugs across the boarder, will likely end with him having to buyout the contract...the Kings could be in some real serious $hit if all the cards don't fall in their favor...that's why it's just strange how the RMCP has been so quiet...no charges? We're talking almost a month out now...the NHLPA is going to eat the Kings alive unless they have a clear breach of contract hammered down that they're simply not talking about even internally...can't believe the only thing that HAS been leaked was the border crossing story....the stranger part is that this could very well mean Richards has to sit out for at least the first part of the season until this all shakes out.

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 7:01 am EST

WIOSA/York - Yeah, I came across that post on McILRATH a while back...not sure how I even arrived at it...but it wasn't worth reposting...just total nonsense. Here's the general assumption: Raffy DIAZ is a right-hander, ergo the Rangers now have four right-handers in the lineup...interesting logic, but not really sound considering Diaz has never been more than a seventh defender in his career...and then SKJEI? Making the team? This fall? Credibility shot...next story.

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:59 am EST

Nick/York18, Funny, when I was reading the article, I thought it sounded reasonable until I got to the Skjei part. I post other places, and with some hockey fans who follow the minors; about half don't feel Mcillrath will ever be NHL ready. The other half feel he needed to mature a bit - as many stay at home physical dmen have to - and they feel he has come light years from his first couple of seasons, and is ready now. There is a debate as to who is the better dman Brady or Dylan. The one thing they ALL agree on, is Brady Skjei is not ready for the NHL and can benefit from one more year. This article claims he's good to go now. Have a feeling the guy is just parroting someone elses' opinion.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 9 2015 6:28 am EST

Bob - Totally forgot about SELANNE...man, he ripped Boudreau six-ways sideways in his book...he apparently blamed burying Selanne in the lineup on his assistants and the GM, which is even weaker...you gonna bench a class-act like that, at least be honest with him about why....and on the kids...PALMIERI was another who basically had to kick the door in before he got regular ice...and he just got traded too...Bottom line is, Boudreau has nothing more than a good regular season record and a Calder Cup to suggest he can coach his way out of a paper bag...I'll have patience and see what ETEM does with the Rangers before I cast full judgement on that trade...But I have a good feeling about him...just seems like the type of player who will do real well under AV.

tdchi


Thu Jul 9 2015 5:20 am EST

McL article is a joke, we will start with Diaz being a capable second pair, on what planet? The guy signs on as a 7th why if he's really a 3-4? Skeij will be NHL ready but not right now. That writer has no clue and is making things up if skeij outplayed McL in Hartford why was he the 7th dman rotated and at times skipped while McL was tge number one dman and not rotated out for skeij? I think skeij could see a call up by early next year but unless he has some turn around and comes to camp a way better player then a month or so ago I don't see it happening and neither do tge rangers org as by all accounts everyone states he needs time. I honestly have no clue what the rangers have planned but the fact he was not moved says something now it's up to McL to make someone expendable

York18


Thu Jul 9 2015 12:28 am EST

Wiosa, thanks for the McIlrath story link. I read it and I have to hope/think the writer is on 'shrooms. Raphael Diaz is "more than capable of playing even second pairing minutes for the Rangers if needed." Raphael Diaz is a journeyman at best. Then this: "For as good as McIlrath was this year, Skjei is better -- and to be fair he always has been. Skjei's ceiling is much higher than McIlrath's will ever be and he's widely assumed to be NHL ready right now." By whom? Hey I don't know ... I go by the Wall mostly. But geez if some joker like Diaz is blocking McI's path, chalk that pick up to the Jessiman Hall of Shame.

Nick


Thu Jul 9 2015 12:05 am EST

Crazy.... "A source familiar with the situation told the Daily News that Pierre-Paul was presented with several options for fixing his hand, amputation being one of them. The amputation seemed to be the best way for Pierre-Paul to heal quick enough to return to the field this season, so the choice ostensibly was Pierre-Paul’s."..... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-leave-miami-meet-jason-pierre-paul-article-1.2285585

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:51 pm EST

BTW...C.J. Wilson's (2 lost fingers) career may be in jeopardy, JPP(lost his right index finger) may be back relatively soon this season(at least that's what has been reported). We'll see how effective he is when he needs to grab someone .....Bob... You would think when you stand to make that much money, you have you butler light the fireworks ...Wiosa... My cousin used to light firecrackers and hold them while they went off. Growing up you could pretty much get anything you'd want. Today, you can't get M80's without a license, due to all the damage they can do.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:32 pm EST

"if he would be able to buy him out" ...should be... If LA/Lombardi will be able to buy him out.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:30 pm EST

in regard to Mike Richards, when the NHLPA brings it before the arbiter, his contract termination will most likely be overturned. I do think it's a slight conflict of interest that Gary Bettman will be the arbiter. If overturned, it's still unclear if he would be able to buy him out or if he'd have to go to mandatory NHLPA drug rehab/counselling. .....Per Rick Westhead.... If RCMP & CBSA are pursuing criminal probe of NHLer Mike Richards, they're taking their time. Still no charges filed in Manitoba. ....Per John Shannon.....On Mike Richards' contract, NHLPA is still reviewing and gathering information regarding the matter, and possible grievance. Richards' contract was terminated on June 30 by the Kings for "material breach". NHLPA has 60 days to file a grievance on his behalf.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:30 pm EST

Veenknow not far behind in playoff chokes ... He like his team might be too laid back lacking s killer instinct ....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:17 pm EST

TD-I have seen the guy in the rink watching his kid play. Smarmy is a good word to use. He was ripped out here for the way he (mis) used Teemu Selanne during his last year. The guy scored big the year before, and Boudreau had him on the 3rd and 4th lines playing with stiffs. Kind of like Etem and Smith-Pelly. He is the only NHL coach in History to lose in home game 7's 3 consecutive years.....and he did it TWICE.

Bob


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:15 pm EST

Food for thought.....http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2015/7/6/8884577/is-this-the-end-of-dylan-mcilrath-on-broadway

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:13 pm EST

Definite nominees for the Darwin Awards WIOSA. Apparently, only half of that dude's head remained after the boom.

Bob


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:11 pm EST

E - You answered your own question. I've never...I mean NEVER liked nor thought No-Chin Boudreau was a good coach...I mean, the guy has been an unmitigated zero in the playoffs, despite having some of the most talented teams iced in the post-lockout NHL. Always struck me as sort of a smarmy guy...nevertheless, you brought up another name: SMITH-PELLY who is another really talented youngster who floundered under Boudreau...I don't think the Chin had/has much patience with youngsters and that Etem was/is a talented guy who simply couldn't crack a role in the lineup where he'd be most effective...we disagree on the salary dump part...I believe it was a factor, but certainly not a deciding one in the deal.

tdchi


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:10 pm EST

Bob/Rhett....god I did stupid things when I was young, but this tops the cake. How about that guy who lit a firework off his head and died instantly? WTH is wrong with people?

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 6:56 pm EST

Great idea. Risk lucrative careers by doing something stupid. Don Murdoch must be smiling.

Bob


Wed Jul 8 2015 6:40 pm EST

NFL players C.J. Wilson and Jason Pierre Paul both lose fingers to fire work accidents this 4th of July. JPP hadn't yet signed his big Giants payday ($60 Mil. Long Term deal) and now I'm sure he wont get quite as much.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 8 2015 6:23 pm EST

WIOSA - Never heard/saw that, but interesting...Goailes, generallytend to stay away from trying to motivating or criticizing the forwards, but somtimes it comes out...Some of our best players are The King and the D-men and failrly mild and soft spoken forwards, really do think this team and the forwards as a whole could use a forward to, as Clint Howard would say, kick some names and take some ass...

Hospo


Wed Jul 8 2015 6:02 pm EST

Hospo, speaking of Hank, did you ever see the round table conversation he had with Crosby, an interviewer (forget the name) and Toews? It was interesting. At one point Intvw asked all three how they handled a teammate they saw was not giving it his all. The two skaters answered that it was difficult but the various things they might say or do. When it came to Hank, he laughed, he said something like "Oh I don't tell them how to play, I just stop goals. I think they would tell me 'Hank just stop the goals'" To which both Crosby and Toews laughed and agreed that a talk from the "goalie" would not be appreciated. It was almost like he is an appendage to the team. Strange. Also interesting was Crosby sharing that his coaches instructed him not to block shots. Always wondered what was up with him....besides being a non stop whiner.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:54 pm EST

Hospo, tend to agree about Hayes. I think the guy is talented and was a steal for us (about time) but a physical player shows this from the get go. Look at Zuuc. I don't think (not sure) that is something that develops over time. If Kreider was more consistant...he would be the one,,,but SMH,,,,that one. Sigh.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:52 pm EST

HIP - The Rangers are a good team. plain and simple..How can they not be with that defense and the King and some of the skill they have up front? But I for one am not satisfied with a good team that doesn't have what it takes to win the cup, because anything other than the cup is failure...just ask Ricky Bobby!

Hospo


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:48 pm EST

E - What he has to learn is the difference between slowing it down and making some amazing plays and holding on to the puck too long...In time..Not my favorite type of player but The kid is loaded with talent and heart..and his speed is fine..Just needs to get stronger..Howevr, I doubt he will ever be a physical player..and why I wish/hope the Rangers find another one for down the middle and/or on the wing..

Hospo


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:45 pm EST

that should say 'many teams lists' not my

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:44 pm EST

E, I am assuming youre quoting EE, If so, I, for one am not doubting his sincerety...or his skills for that matter (he was a first round pick on my teams lists)..I did find it curious that the type of game he is excited to become part of is - in fact - the type of game the Ducks play. I ended by wondering if it was something with their coach.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:32 pm EST

What I do like about Hayes is the way he can "Joe Thornton" the puck. He gains the zone and completely slows the game down. Its real Matrix stuff. He's so good at it. He does look slower then he is but I think that is partially due to how in control he is and how calm he handles the puck.

E


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:25 pm EST

I used to think HAYES was a little slow also. After further review, I think he just "looks" slow. Because of his long legs he is actually a deceptively strong skater. If you have anything DVR'd check it out. He still glides a bit, and he doesn't always change directions sharply. He is wicked creative when he has the puck. What a rookie year. Rangers are unbelievabky blessed & lucky as hell to have this kid. What a piece to build around. Some of you guys act like we got nothing'. The Dark Ages weren't that long ago. We have so much youngish talent right now. I'm fired up!!!

hipcheck


Wed Jul 8 2015 4:57 pm EST

On the opportunity to join the Rangers, “My strengths are my speed and with guys like Kreider and the list goes on, the loss of Hagelin, I am looking to fill that role and at the same time I will do whatever they want me to do. I can play versatile and play PHYSICAL. Right now I haven’t had the opportunity to break out offensively but I feel like over the course of the summer with training I should come to camp ready to go. Any role they want me to play I will play and they play a speed game and that is what I do.”------------------------------As long as he is gonna play that way, who are any of us to question his sincerity? In the summer?

E


Wed Jul 8 2015 4:51 pm EST

WILD: I don't think Hayes is a fast skater and depends on his reach and positioning first. He is a little bit like Staal in that way. Staal can get to the body hard if he is forced to but he is more concerned with working the stick and angling the play to the boards. Staal will finish the check but he's looking to get the puck back first. Its always annoyed me because he can put a really solid thump on a guy. Hayes, looks to make sure he covers the lanes first and looks to make a skill play. Nothing wrong with that.

E


Wed Jul 8 2015 4:22 pm EST

I didn't see a lot of Hayes in NCAA but the few games I did see he had more physical play than all of last season. I think it partly had to do with finding his way. Wouldn't shock me at all to see a little more of that. Mind you he will never be a man Mayer physically but still. And on Hayes RF4L it's no shock to see a rookie kind of step back once the playoffs start and the intensity kicks up to a new level. Again. In year two I would expect him to be able to adjust to that quicker.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 8 2015 4:17 pm EST

Are the rangers better, worse, or the same? It's hard for them to be better than last seasons regular season performance. I would go as far as to say they are probably will not repeat the presidents cup and honestly I don't web care about that. Will they repeat as president trophy winners? I doubt it but again not a big deal. So are they worse? Points wise probably but not worse off. The thing is I loved hags but if this team can't recover from losing a 3rd line player there is something wrong they traded away the supposed heart and captain of this team and went to the cup finals and won a presidents trophy I think they will be fine without hags. As for production msl brought that is deceptive his point totals when this team were at it's best were almost nothing he was a passenger from Jan on. If you replace those numbers it shouldn't be hard. The real questions are what is miller going to bring and in what position he played best as a wing and with that Hayes had his production drop when he was shifted to wing. Lindberg IMO is ready and he has a physical game a friend who watched him and does not like euro players liked his game plays feisty hard nosed hockey and he and fast have chemistry they would make a very good 3rd line IMO and Lindberg is good at the dot. Etim is a wait and see he's a kid and you never know he is excited about coming which is a good thing because this is a tight fit team and there aren't a ton of spots and he seems confident he can make the squad so time will tell I can't hate on the guy because hags got traded for himhardly his fault. This team needs to get more dominant in the playoffs they win and win a lot but they never dominate an opponent and it's time they do. They need an easy series because they have been in dogfights for the last four years. If Kreider miller Hayes step up and Boyle and Yandle now with time in avs system step up their point production this team can be a real rough team for anyone to face

York18


Wed Jul 8 2015 3:52 pm EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/prospects/pavel-buchnevich/pavel-buchnevich-is-the-rangers-prospect-to-be-excited-about/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Wed Jul 8 2015 3:47 pm EST

this stain/ disdain/disgusted/ discussed it......there's a nyc parade but it's not for the nyr.....they should all have to go there and make it their goal for next season......get the ufas signed, and figure out in September what the roster will be......the idea should be the keep this team and chemistry together.....then hope the coach doesn't choke along with his players in the playoffs....and the Gorton fisherman is more proactive then the sleeping genius.....2016 should be the cup year ......2014 and 2015 were not.....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 8 2015 3:43 pm EST

RF4L - You are correct,They were. But most of his issues with center seemed to be the mental mistakes. Hopefully, he has learned and is ready. I'm not crazy about the Wing taking FOs all the time (Miller should take every FO for his line) and I really think we could use his size/physiclaity at C also.. But, not my call..

Hospo


Wed Jul 8 2015 3:36 pm EST

And with Kreider, I don't expect him to play in 'monster mode' for all 82 games, although that would be nice. What I'd like to see is that style exhibited far more often than his first 3 years. I say that because no one plays that way constantly - it's simply too difficult and physically exhausting. However, smart players who embrace that style know when and when not it's needed and that can happen within a single game, too. It's a mental thing more than anything else. Kreider needs to get there.

RF4L


Wed Jul 8 2015 3:31 pm EST

Hospo: I hope you're right about Miller but from weren't his better stretches as wing (which doesn't mean he can't take FOs)?

RF4L


Wed Jul 8 2015 3:15 pm EST

RF4L -MILLER has all the physical tools and desire (unlike a few recent aquisitions) and , with the confidence gained from last year's PO run, I think he is finally ready to contribute consistently...And I think the Rangers would be foolish not to put him and his FO ability (best on the team) and relative physicality at C.....I too am worried about Hayes and his lack of physicality..Hope the Rangers and he are working on bulking up a bit so he can stay on his feet more...ANother big guy that likes to dangle and loop away from traffic..Which is fine in the regualr season.....Hopefully the Rangers will help him simplify his game and make use of his immense talent at the same time..They do that and we'll have a force..a decent chance it happens..Personally, I think he would be better at Wing for now.......As for Etem, I expect inconsistentcy out the yin yang..Some good games because of his skill but benchings and perhaps another demotion becasue of the way he plays the game....As for Kid K, consistent monster mode would be something to see!...Honestly, I also really think the Rangers need a vocal experienced leader in the forward lines to help get the most out of the kids (and vets) but we really have nobody close....

Hospo


Wed Jul 8 2015 2:47 pm EST

With Miller, I've no idea what to exepect or anticipate. Very intriguing at times, but more far often than not (so far) not so much. Is he destined to evolve into a top 6 forward? If yes (and I can sure see why it's not unreasonable to project him as such), how long will it take him to get there? Will he be up and down the lineup again this season? Can he settle in? Bonus if so because I suspect like most of us, management doesn't know either. He's wait and see for sure. And cross your fingers - what a squandering of raw potential if he can't evolve his game to that point. Finding that consistency and confidence for some is an elusive thing.

RF4L


Wed Jul 8 2015 2:38 pm EST

As I've been saying for a bit now, I, too, think it's time for Kreider to make the next step and the team is expecting/hoping that's he's due. It will be, I suspect, a key factor in how successful the Rangers are next season. Hayes, on the other hand, I'm a little concerned about because he wasn't nearly as effective in the POs as he was from January to April. Which Kevin Hayes will we see this season?

RF4L


Wed Jul 8 2015 2:09 pm EST

Rhet ?? Kreider yes, maybe Miller, but Miller has yet to reach his full potential. Brssard, Nash, Moore, Hayes, I don't think so...Zucc would be if he was bigger. Just MHO

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 1:59 pm EST

Emerson Etem to me makes me think of a more talented version of Benoit Pouliot. I see him fitting in on this team that same way. But, like Pouliot or any other new player, it will take him much of the season to adjust to AV's system(and teammates). I know everyone hates when I mention this but it's always a factor.... Wiosa/NN... I don't think we need another Power Forward, we already have three pretty good ones, I think the answer is for Chris Kreider to step up this season. IMO Kreider can be every bit as effective as Lucic, but he needs to have the right mindset and then go out and do it. I also want to see Hayes step up and be more of a physical force this season. Even though he seems to shy away from the physical stuff.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 8 2015 1:50 pm EST

NN, Actually my last post was clarifying what Im struggling to say since Draft day. It's not the loss of Hagelin and Cam, it's the lack of getting anything back. For some reason, here, that is translated to I hate EE or think he's a Stiff. ..NO, I am not ready to trade Ryan, what I wanted was us to make a package deal, Cam + Klein/Staal for a 20 goal power forward. Didn't even have to be 20 goals, 15 to 17 would do..as long as it was a forward who would go to the net for rebounds, and take the pressure off Nash and/or Brassard, neither of which plant themselves in front of the net. What we got was a subtraction of points, loss on the PK, and a loss of speed. ...

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 1:31 pm EST

WIOSA: Unless you are willing to trade Ryan McDonagh; who else on the team is going to get you this TOP 6 POWER FORWARD and what team has extra of those that they would trade anyway and that would fit in cap wise.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jul 8 2015 12:31 pm EST

E: I can tell you this. They guy behind the bench sees young kids as one thing when they start out. a 4th liner. More often than not howe has put young kids on the 4th line and bounced them in and out of the lineup and used the idea that they are not producing or showing much there so they are not ready. Well, Etem isn't a 4th line player. If the same guy was in NY Duclair would have had 4th line minutes and people would be calling him a bust. Etem I bet, would have looked better with regular time with more skilled players, most of his ice time was with a 4th line that had limited skill, yeah he got some time with the big boys, but you need time, especially with a young guy, to build chemistry. I would say that if he was on wing with Hayes at center and perhaps Miller on the other side, he would look better and create more with his speed. Think of it like this. Hags with Moore and Glass wouldn't have been as productive either,anyone who thinks so is just trying to make the loss of Hags bigger than it already is. But Hags has been able to play with guys with more skill more often than not. I think that was one of the bigger problems in ANA, it killed his confidence, and a fresh start with an open chance at camp may help him regain that.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 8 2015 12:30 pm EST

OKAY, maybe this will do it. We needed to add a power forward. We didn't. We needed to do that to win a Stanley Cup this year, We didn't do it. Im upset over that. I like most of the NY Rangers, and feel sad when any leave, but this is the world of professional sports. Case Closed.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 8 2015 12:19 pm EST

One thing that I think cannot be argued about the Hags/EE deal - it sure has gotten a lotta space on this wall! LOL...

RF4L


Wed Jul 8 2015 12:18 pm EST

Re McDavid: Good players adjust. McDavid has often played with bigger, older kids (like when he started in junior) and has managed to avoid serious injury by making himself vulnerable. I see no reason to expect him not to figure things out at the NH level. That means he likely won't be tearing up the scoresheet right away - it'll take time, not to mention he's only 18 and needs a few years to physical mature. I do agree, however, that if he decides to dangle right away like he was doing last year in junior, he's gonna get run over and run over hard.

RF4L


Wed Jul 8 2015 12:06 pm EST

Etem had more playing time prior to the arrival of Boudreau. So did Smith-Pelly. Boudreau has not been a "roll 4 lines" coach since he came to Anaheim.

Bob


Wed Jul 8 2015 11:55 am EST

TD: without being snarky why do you think EE wasn't a great fit in Anaheim? Big team, physical, loaded with PF, smash and bang. Personally, I think it might have been something else. I just think he fell out of favor. I've been of the opinion for a long time that Bodreau runs a boiler room. Just by listening to him, seeing his interviews etc... Not saying that he is a bad coach by any stretch but I sort of question where he is in terms of a developmental coach sometimes. He has a veteran team with some goos young talent but he leans heavy on his guys and I've always been left with the impression that he was quick to shorten his bench. He doesn't impress me the same way that AV seems to be even when he was in Vancouver. AV seems much more adroit at exploiting the skill set, protecting the weaknesses of a player and putting them in situations where they'll excel developmentally. Not necessarily sure how that plays out with EE but as much as he is maligned without ever dressing for a game I've elected to hold judgement. I've seen him play, haven't watched him close. In fact, the guy who I really liked in Anaheim was Smith-Pelly but anyhow. Hagelin was a favorite of mine. I think he came a long way as a player. From a micro mini kid who could be bumped off a puck with a fan to a rock solid, very strong on his skates guy who finished every check and hawked the puck up and down the ice. It puts EE in a bad position in terms of popularity with the base. We shall see what he can do. He certainly has a good skill set, but we'll see if he maximizes his opportunities. A friend of mine did make a good point to me though. He thought EE could benefit from a change. I'll give him that chance. And frankly, I don't see this move as anything more then cap relief. Under the cap, Hagelin is addition by subtraction. Just the economics of the NHL.

E


Wed Jul 8 2015 9:58 am EST

I don't know if Etem will be a success or a bust, but we need to stop comparing him to Hags as if this was an equal 1-for-1 trade. The trade includes (in addition to Etem) the probable ability to resign Stephan and not trade him or Klein (which had we kept Hags might have been necessary). That helps this year and next, and the extra draft picks we made may turn out to be important for years 3 and beyond. Again, this was NOT a Hags for Etem trade; rather it was a trade caused by cap mismanagement and one where there were other tangential benefits to trading Hags versus just getting back Etem.

Ranger47


Wed Jul 8 2015 8:09 am EST

York: was thinking the same thing about that kid...just amazing all world puck control skills, and at full speed. A rare talent indeed. Unfortunately for him at the NHL level there are defenseman and some forwards with the rare all world ability to get their shoulder on your body with enormous force. He needs to learn to dish the puck off to keep those big hitters worried about sitting in the box for interference. If he doesn't he is going to be picking himself up off the ice a lot and likely spend a significant portion of his career on the IR and destine for a Savard like LTIR.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 8 2015 7:30 am EST

WIOSA - There's been plenty of ETEM bashing here...Someone mentioned the name LISIN for instance...and most of it, I realize, is reactionary and that's fine. I don't think anyone here wanted to lose HAGELIN...but I really think this is a glass-half-full situation for the Rangers...Etem is in the mold of the type of player the Rangers seem to be bringing into the league...personally, I don't think Anaheim was a great fit for him...he comes to the Rangers were he's got a few familiar faces and his game seems to be the type that the Rangers are playing...All I see is upside here. If the kid can forecheck and kill penalties...scoring the odd goal here or there, he's going to be fine as a replacement for Hags because that's essentially what Hags did...It's not like he's going to be expected to jump on first line and be a go-to guy...we shall see....but the more I think about the trade, the more I'm comfortable with it.

tdchi


Wed Jul 8 2015 6:50 am EST

The view from my summertime perch shows the third line center to be Oscar Lindberg whose play matches AV's requirements and lining up beside him will be Fast. The two were terrific together in Hartford and there is no reason to believe they will not be a matched pair on the big club.

gene_carr


Wed Jul 8 2015 6:11 am EST

Connor mcdavid watched this kid play a number of times and my god this kid can dangle and his wing span is wide and he has a deceptively quick release. The thing I noticed between games and video is the guy scores 95% of his goals from the net to 10 feet out but the thing I really noticed was no on getting overly physical with him. The guys played back trying not to get beat and gave him room. I think this kid could be looking at concussions or other injuries the way he goes right to the net. NHL dmen will be looking to hit him especially the way he does his wrap arounds he's vulnerable. It'll be interesting to watch this kid he will either be the next one or a statistical cautionary tale of a short career ala Lindros

York18


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:35 am EST

WIOSA: they don't need to replace 90 points. Here it is broken down. From the MSL side of things, the majority of his points came in the first half. A bunch of points came with Stepan out and or when Step was getting up to game speed, during that time the Rangers had MSL producing but zero from Step, so Step being there offsets some of that. Secondly and much much MUCH more important is than the Rangers were better in the second half while MSL was not. That means his production was not necessary to their success. It's not a must do thing to replace 100% of his points. Of the 90 points you keep talking about it's likely getting 50 more out of the young guys improvement and the new guys will cover what's needed.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 8 2015 5:22 am EST

RF4L, ahhh yes, we drafte MSL again....thanks, sr moment, speaking of Sr Moments Mr. Sather AHEM.....Water under the bridge......BOB yeah, that might be what his (former) GM meant, It's the next to last paragraph...http://ducks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=772626 Mightve posted that link before, (still working on my first cup of coffee.).

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:44 pm EST

Perhaps getting away from playing in your own back yard will help Etem. The ability is there. For some reason, we only saw it in flashes out here.

Bob


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:34 pm EST

NICK - Maybe it's sight unseen for you, not for me,,Saw him for 5-6 games last year. didn't like him...What's the problem? Love to see him look alot better for the Rangers..we shall see

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:30 pm EST

As Per NHL.com: Twenty-two NHL players are currently eligible for salary arbitration.Hearings will be held in Toronto from July 20-Aug. 4......... Let's all hurry up & wait....... snooze

mf


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:18 pm EST

WIOSA: We didn't pick because our first went to Tampa in the stupid MSL trade. Halverson was the first Ranger pick that draft and that was at slot number 59.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:02 pm EST

Hospo,,,,interesting article. I remember RR raving about him and upset that we didn't select him...that the Isles got him. Who did we pick again? As for the disdain, I too am heaping disdain on RANGER MANAGEMENT for not securing a power forward who can provide the offense we need to get us over the top. EE?? I have no idea how he can play, only that his biggest supporters themselves say we need patience and he will develop.....NICK on the earlier post, wasn't taking about you with Hank, actually was remarking at how many people blame that man for everything under the sun. If you blamed him for the game 7 loss, then you have a problem ...Game three had his name all over it. Shit happens.,,,,,I don't remember anyone saying EE was a stiff, or ripping him. Most people are upset that the Sather/Gorton failed to get the player we need to put us over the top, and it's doubtful that our current crop of youth, will supply an additional 90 points....If you think EE can do it, you had a great draft, I started drinking, early and it wasn't coffee. And for the record, I happen to think Boyle did a pretty damn good job - especially against Tampa..GOOD article on Edmonton, but if youre thinking Boyle, hes not budging. .I think Staal just got a nmc. Klein is actually one we should hold onto.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:55 pm EST

tdchi- great post and right on target . my concern going into next season is the continued lack of toughness ( i dont think mcilrath will make the cut) and asise from tanner glass and etem, kreider and kevin klein , theres no physicality which is a liabilty in playoff hockey . in addition we dont have a sniper who can score from outside and draw out the opponent which is why our power play is so easy to defend . just clog up the front and force eveything to the perimeter and the rangers have no answers . and my final gripe is yes sather is no longer gm but his influence is still strong as the current regime is merely an extension of glen sather and imo that is not a good thing. i like what gorton brings to the orginization which is a keen eye for talent.but is he willing to chart a new course going forward . as things currently stand i see the rangers struggling to make the playoffs.

docjay


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:49 pm EST

I've seen a dozen rips on Etem. Amazing. If we acquired him for Dan Boyle he'd be hailed as the second coming. But we gave up a third-liner with speed that most people liked, so sight unseen, he's a stiff.

Nick


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:46 pm EST

WIOSA - The stain of disdain must be me....Although, I hold most (but not all) of the disdain for the management that acquired him and not the slowly developing player..but I wear the stain with honor!....On a totally different subject, somewhere RABID RANGER must be smiling about this article on his boy Hop Sing aka Ho Sang at http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/islanders-joshua-ho-sang-michael-dal-colle-blooming-as-pros-1.10618875?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter......................But what really blew my mind was the following...""You just continue to give them good information and watch them mature," said Eric CAIRNS, the ISLES DIRECTOR OF PLAYER DEVELOPMENT...Wow..

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:14 pm EST

TD, what disdain? I don't see anyone saying the "kid" sucks, or he's a lousy player.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:10 pm EST

PatrickDiv - I mentioned GLENNIE a little while back...the kid just never adjusted to the professional game. I mean, he still could pull together an NHL career...but the fact that he couldn't crack the Stars lineup a couple years back when the team was in full rebuild pretty much says it all. But he could be a good Pack signing...though with MEGNA, ADAM and GIBBONS signed, I'm not sure how much more help they're going to need down there.

tdchi


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:04 pm EST

Ah, there we go. More talk about a player before many have seen him play a game, much less several games, much less a season. So what have the people who HAVE seen ETEM said? Well, that he lost his position in a very solid top nine on Anaheim when Jiri SEKAC was acquired....that he has very good moves, very good speed, and is more physical than HAGLIN, plus is larger...that he looked more impressive this season than when he was in juniors...What else do we know about him? Well, he won a bronze on a US world junior team that also featured KREIDER and BOURQUE(though he didn't have a very good series)...that he outscored HAGELIN in the playoffs last year...that he JUST turned 23, an age where we've seen other USNDTP players of his ilk take off...I continue to be amazed by the amount of disdain shown here for a kid that has basically dominated at every level except the NHL and is still young enough that he could have a very good career...and much of the griping, it seems to me, is based more on remorse that Hagelin isn't here than it is over what this kid can do on the ice...and that's despite the fact that he's the more physical player among the two...but why let facts and educated observations get in the way of a good gripe? Bong on.

tdchi


Tue Jul 7 2015 7:15 pm EST

Interesting take on the EDM D situation from Puck Daddy: "While all eyes are justifiably on McDavid for the foreseeable future, I can’t help but look at the current makeup of the Oilers defense and wonder how Peter Chiarelli plans on dealing with the influx of third-pairing defensemen on his roster. Here’s how the Oilers depth chart on D looks as of today. I’m assuming, for this purpose, that Justin Schultz and the Oilers eventually reach a deal. I can’t see any other GM signing Schultz to an offer sheet (LOL). LD RD Oscar Klefbom Andrej Sekera Mark Fayne Justin Schultz Eric Gryba Andrew Ference Griffin Reinhart Nikita Nikitin Darnell Nurse This collection of defensemen admittedly is a huge step up from what the Oilers started the 2014-15 season with, but there are a few problems. Some of these guys will have to unequivocally prove they belong in the NHL (Reinhart, Nurse) to stick on the roster out of training camp, but something tells me they’ll show better than at least one of the other players (Nikitin). There are nine names here, and I’d say that six of them (Schultz, Gryba, Ference, Nikitin, Reinhart, Nurse) are best suited for third-pairing duty. Two of the other three (Klefbom and Fayne) should really only be playing second-pairing minutes next season, leaving the Oilers without a second top-pairing defenseman to play with Sekera, and a wealth of players who are best suited for third-pairing duty. Ergo, Chiarelli is staring down a tall order with his D here. He needs to find another top-four defender, likely via trade. Then, he has to ship out two of the expensive bodies he has on the back end. Ideally, two of Schultz, Ference and Nikitin aren’t here when the seasons starts (that’s if Chiarelli is able to acquire another top-four D-man. If not, only one of these three should go)." - Makes me hope there is still a fit for our sending a Dman there for a scoring winger.

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 7 2015 5:33 pm EST

RF4L:, agree, but they didn't chose to. So no disrespect or harm to EE, but he is a disappointment to Ranger Fans as a replacement. ANY player that didn't give at least equal return would be...EE saying things should be better here because of a more offensive system is curious...the Ducks were a high scoring team, if memory serves me. Eitehr way I don't expect much from him this season, he's young. That doesn't help us in the least. I feel like we're in limbo.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 5:29 pm EST

Wiosa. Hags was moved due to cap issues. However, because the Rangers are still cup pursuing it wasn't a pure salary dump. An arguably serviceable playr was obtained along with the better draft position. Therefore how realistic is it to expect EE to be of equal value/effectiveness? IMO a better argument would center around moving a different player to relieve the cap issue...

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 5:10 pm EST

Rhetoric, Im not articulate, so maybe Im not being very clear. I hope that Etem gets it together and is a pavel bure for us, Ill settle for the promise of what Kreider is supposed to be. That said, I don't really care what Hagelin did when he was 23, I care what we lost compared to what we got - for NOW,- not tomorrow, not when Etem turns 26. I want Etem to produce what Hagelin did THIS SEASON past. I don't want to compare apples to apples. I am comparing apples to oranges. Will our Apple (Etem) Right now, replace the contribution by our former Orange (Hagelin) this past season. If not, then as far as Im concerned, this was a f**k up by the Rangers. We are supposed to be a cup team. Hopefully Fast, Hayes, Miller will contribute 90 additional points this season, or the difference between what Etem brings to what we need to replace - which is roughly 90 points.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 4:36 pm EST

If EE plays a style similar to Kreider he won't be booed.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 4:19 pm EST

Wiosa... I mentioned last week that Etem played parts of 3 seasons before the age of 23 and Hagelin didn't make the NYR until he was 23, that was just to point out that maybe the kid just wasn't ready. Look how long it took J.T. Miller to put it together. You just never know... Based on everything I've read, the NYR brass really like this kid. It might just be spin, but maybe not.... Hopefully, we as fans are patient with him if he struggles and don't boo him every time he touches the puck. Just because he had the nerve to be traded for a very popular player. Let's not be those kind of fans.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 4:03 pm EST

TALK is cheap ETEM, as you showed in Anaheim..or should I say NORFOLK last year.Just do it..

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:55 pm EST

Blueblood, James is a 30 goal scorer, why would they trade him to us for a 20 goal scorer, and how much more is he going to want?

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:52 pm EST

Rhet Regarding Sharp !@#$! why cant he go play for the Kings or the Ducks? Regarding Etem, curious, because the Ducks are a high offense team. I think they were the 3rd highst scoring in the league. For some reason, this guy did not fit in on that squad. Maybe the coach didn't like him.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:51 pm EST

JUst curious, is there anyone on this wall who wouldnt trade Stepan straight up for JVR? I dont know if the math works, but JVR is damn close to what this team needs. Plus he is a jersey boy and rooted for the NYR growing up. Same for Shattenkirk I believe. Always assumed he would come home when he was a UFA.

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:41 pm EST

Emerson Etem said that he thinks the Rangers speed game will suit him and that he can play any role the Rangers and Alain Vigneault want him to play.(NYR) He said that being with the Rangers is the best situation he “can possible be in right now.” Etem said that he can play a similar game to Chris Kreider and use his size and speed to make an impact. He said that he is excited how the Rangers open things up with stretch passes and he hopes that it will allow him to use his speed and generate more offense. (NYR) He said that he knows he hasn’t broken out offensively yet but that he is in a new situation and wants to let his play talk.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:40 pm EST

Patrick Sharp is rumored to be on the move.... again. Latest destinations are the Islanders or the Habs.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:33 pm EST

WILD... I mostly agree. IMO Miller needs to show that the guy that showed up late in the season/postseason was no fluke and build upon it(and play more physical). He's also struggled mightily in the past with defense coverages at the center pivot, talk of him taking over as a center is a bit premature. I don't think Etem is a lock for anything. He's another guy that needs to come in to camp and earn a spot. Stahlberg should be in the top 12, but until he earns the spot, he hasn't(he's also buddies with Hank which can't hurt). I also think Lindberg makes the team ....Nick .. I'd just be happy if "beast mode" Kreider would just show up every game. That guy really makes things happen..

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 3:10 pm EST

IMO, We'll look back at this Tarasenko deal in a couple of years and it will look like a total bargain. A much better way to spend $7.5 Mil Per season(ROR). It also stabilizes the market a bit..... Per Jeremy Rutherford....Blues GM Doug Armstrong admitted that Tarasenko having #KHL as an option was more worrisome to him than an offer sheet. He said Tarasenko never played KHL card..... (SKA Saint Petersburg's offer to St. Louis Blues forward Vladimir Tarasenko was for $11 million USD per season).

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 2:47 pm EST

Anyone have any insight on former Dallas draft pick and annointed bust Scott Glennie? He was not tendered and is now a UFA. If Slats were still manning the ship he might view this kid as a reclamation project. 6ft 1 C and former high draft pick. I dont know much about him but why not see if he can finally put it together down in HFD? Not like we cant use bodies down there

PatrickDiv


Tue Jul 7 2015 2:43 pm EST

Should have been "Glass sat..."

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 2:05 pm EST

Hospo: Glass say when healthy a few times last season. Don't just assume that AV will always play him. Although I imagine he will more than not...but ya never know.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 2:04 pm EST

stevie: Not really. None of the players signed can or can not be not he roster due to the cap. They all make a smaller amount...and one can replace the other.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 2:02 pm EST

the cap will decide the roster.....after they figure out stepan or stepoff....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:46 pm EST

WILD - I agree and disagree..I think there will be battles on who plays where..i.e., 2nd vs 3rd line and C vs W..but that the Rangers know who they want their top 12 to be with Glass, Etm and Stalberg adding to last year's team and the rest looking in from the outside unless injuries strike

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:37 pm EST

I think that we shouldn't put much in stone when it comes to who plays on what line and at what position. I think there will be a lot of positional battles in camp. Not just kids like Lindberg and McIlrath trying to win spots, but also Miller trying to be in the top 6, Stahlberg trying to be a regular, Etem trying to be a top 6, or at least top 9 guy. Klein trying to stay with the team....lots will go on IMHO

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:20 pm EST

Not sure what the Rangers think of Lindbergh. They say so little about their players, especially those not on the team.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:18 pm EST

I can not see one of Miller or Hayes not being the 3rd C....For FOs it better be MILLER, bcasue outside of Moore the rest suck.....The only thing that LINDBERGER has proven is that he can be a good player in the AHL..He will not be counted on by the Ranger brass for a top 12 spot at the beginning of the season but should hav ample opportunity later on due to injurues,...JMWO of course..

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:15 pm EST

RF4L - Don't see it at all....Glass is the 12th forward..He may always be the 12th forward, but can't see him as anything more...That leaves two spots in the top 12, and I can't see anybody but the two big floaters being that........LINDBERG is a C pure and simple..and in that case should be nothing but an extra and injury insurance for the top 4 centers for WHEN not if they get hurt....Borque? The less said about him the better..inconsequential..

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:07 pm EST

So where does Stralberg fit? And EE?

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 1:01 pm EST

RF4L--I think as the 13th forward, yes. If they play Miller and Hayes on the wing and Lindberg makes the team out of camp as a center, he would be in the top 12. Otherwise, I assume they would want him playing top line minutes in Hartford.

Bob


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:57 pm EST

Bob: Do you think he'll bump Lindbergh?

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:52 pm EST

Nick: Yes, fully agree. But IMO this could be his make or break season (in terms of becoming the sum of his parts). Another middling season statistically and IMO he runs the very real risk of being nothing more than he's been to date, which isn't terrible but would be, I think, a waste of the skillset he's been blessed with.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:49 pm EST

Good work by St. Louis. I am betting that Ryan Borque is the extra forward this season.

Bob


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:41 pm EST

read a thing about Stahlberg that he has a points per 60 min of play he has the same production as the average first line player. It doesn't mean that he can play on the first line, but thats a good thing that he can have that kind of production, it also means that up to a point he can give you more the more you play him. And that is good as well for a 13th F or a guy on the 3rd line. He can step up and help out to fill in.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:41 pm EST

Tarasenko-8 years-$60mm

puckyou


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:41 pm EST

Sure, the K-Man at 30 goals is a prize. But that's the rub. He's gotta make the leap.

Nick


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:34 pm EST

Hospo: Nash, Kreider, Stepan, Brassard, MZA, Moore, Fast, Glass, Hayes and Miller = 10 spots. Is EE number 11? What about Lindberg? Do they Rangers want a rookie being number 13? Right now, I think Stralberg is number 13. However, a strong camp and he'll likely earn a spot. At 6'3" and 220 if he wants it, there will be a spot. By wanting it, it likely means he'll need to use his size and speed consistently. He did score 22 a few years ago for the Hawks, so there is something there. Perhaps.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:33 pm EST

2 years at $5.5; 4 years at $7.5=$6.83 cap hit; or 2 years at $5; 5 years at $7.5=$6.78 cap hit.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:29 pm EST

And how on earth can the Rangers reasonably fit into their cap a contract for Stepan at $7,000,000?

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:27 pm EST

Nick: Kreider is a dfferent kind of player. His physical attributes and intimidating style is something Tarasenko doesn't have. Tarasenko is more skilled and able to produce offense in more ways than Kreider. But if Kreider can play more consistently and more disciplined, 30+ goals is, IMO, easily within his grasp. Only 15 players scored 30 or more goals in the ENTIRE NHL last year. That's elite company. Now add in the physicality Kreider brings. For sure, a 30+ goal season with continued physical play we see from him when he's on his game will result in salary expectations of $6,000,000+. It's really all on him.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:26 pm EST

That deal just actually capped Stepans high end. Taresenko (sp) is a 35+ g 35+a guy. Step is a 15+ 35+ guy. Meaning he brings less. So now Step will be looking at 7-7.25 tops can't say ROR isn't as good s Step deserves more any longer...because Teresenko is better than both of them.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:24 pm EST

RF4L - "hip: Where are you getting that? Yes, the departure of puny MSL helps, but other than Stralberg, who's 13th forward, where's this influx of size coming from? Right now, McI is the 8th d-man, if he's there at all. I'm confused...".......I'm with you..This team actually bores the hell out of me.....ANyway. that's my problem....But, one thing, how is Stalberg a 13th forward? Right now, I can't see how Stalberg and Etem are not the 10th/11th forwards and glass the 12th...Some Hartford schmo for the 13th, I would guess..

Hospo


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:22 pm EST

NN: You just answered you own question. Given Kreider's skillset (enormous), professional experience (going into his 4 year, which is when many hockey players historically see a bump in their production) and the reluctance and/or inability to bring in another legitimate scoring top 6 forward, I think it's reasonable to argue that the Rangers are counting on him to take that next step. Coming off 2 seasons of approximately 20 goals/40 points (each), that next step, if he can make it, would equate to 30 or more goals and that, in turn, would make him a legitimate threat to score on a regular basis. That, in turn, would do wonders for the Rangers offense. And it would set the table for Kreider to command, in his next deal next summer, a salary of $6,000,000+. Guaranteed Kreider is very aware of that and it's only added incentive for him to do what it takes to make that next step (and I'd argue it's more about his mental approach than anything else which is something he should be able to accomplish).

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:14 pm EST

NICK: Yup, passed on Tarasenko for that d-man.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:10 pm EST

Kreider, whom I like, is Tarasenko only in his dreams. Ours also. Isn't Vlad another guy Sather passed on to draft some stiff? Or relative stiff?

Nick


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:09 pm EST

Hey, Wiosa ... I don't blame Hank for everything. Just the Game 3 OT goal and the slow backhand 'screened' bleeder in Game 7 third period. Of course, now that I think of it ... those were kind of important. Team sport and all. He gets all the credit when we win and no blame when we lose. And now for $8 million a year. At age 33. For five years. Yes, I'm not a huge Hank fan.

Nick


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:06 pm EST

In what universe is Kreider going to get anywhere near what Tarensko got unless he gets at least 35 goals this coming season.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:05 pm EST

Rhet: When you say 'why aren't the other RFAs signed' are you referring to the likes of Tarasenko or the Ranger RFAs? If it's the latter, no doubt the amount of the Stepan deal is impacting the cap room Gorton has to resign them. And the more Gorton dawdles, the more leverage Stepan's camp gets, Tarasenko simply being the latest reason why.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:03 pm EST

LOL...Stepan's camp gains more ammunition. And Kreider must be grinning about that, too.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:02 pm EST

Wild: True, been then, at the ripe old age of 27 he'll be an UFA and if he performs over the next 2 years at the rate he has so far, he'll get his fat contract. It's not unreasonable to project that $5,500,000 for 2 years (IF he loses the argument) is more than acceptable if he ends up with $8,000,000 over 6 years in the summer of 2107. Yes he loses perhaps $2,000,000 in his next deal, but then makes up ($1,500,000 x 4) $6,000,000 in what would have been years 3 to 6 if he signed a 6 year $6,500,000 with the Rangers now. Again, that's risky because like you say, he could get hurt and/or not play well and/or the cap stalls. But these are the things/discussions Stepan and his agent are having now. The bottom line is this: Stepan does indeed have leverage and if he's determined get as much as he can now, the cards are in his hands.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:01 pm EST

RF4L: and that leads right back to my question. How much is being a Ranger and winning (or the chance of winning) as a Ranger worth to Step. If it's worth 1-1.5 mil per year he will be a Ranger long term, if not hold onto your hats. Steps going away....maybe not now depending on a arbitration award but eventually

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 12:01 pm EST

BREAKING: Tarasenko agrees to eight-year, $60 million contract with #stlblues. The AAV is $7.5 million.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:58 am EST

Rhet: you wonder. Are the Rangers wanting to get those RFAs signed for their Q.O.'s but the agents want to negotiate. If so they are smart enough to know the Rangers need to see where Step falls first so they know how much they have to spend. If Step ends up signing for 5.5 than there is more money to go around and they can try to get it for their guy....or the Rangers will give each of them a small bump to get deals done. But I really think everything hinges on Step unless the players decide they will sign for the qualifying offer.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:56 am EST

And Stepan has every right to demand the maximum money. He's just gotta know doing so will surely results in him being traded. I wonder what he'd fetch in return. Backfilling his spot with Tyler Bozak means that the Rangers could accept more of a futures return for him (which isn't to say Bozak and Stepan are equals - they aren't but Bozak isn't a huge drop-off IMO).

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:55 am EST

RF4L: he has more but still limited leverage. An arbitration hearing will just tie him up for 2 years at whatever that person sees fit. If he loses the arb he could be at 5.5 per and loose a million over what he could probably get for a bridge type deal.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:53 am EST

Kadri resigned in TO. For a (relative) discount of $4,100,000 for 1 year. Different scenario, even tho both he and Stepan had similar experience and had comparable stats 2 summers ago. Kadri's career has dipped (both on and off the ice) while Stepan's has progressed.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:50 am EST

RF4L... In his defense, Sather(Gorton) really low balled him to make it work for the cap while other centers who had arbitration rights were making a lot more. Also, Dubinsky held out twice and it didn't prevent him from getting a ridiculous contract. BTW, Why aren't the other RFA's not signed already?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:42 am EST

Rhet: Don't disagree. It all really depends on how determined Stepan is to get top $$. He fought hard 2 summers ago with basically no leverage (which is ultimately why he lost). This time around he's got leverage. Is he prepared to use it? If so, he's already got one foot out of RangerLand. The Rangers have about $11,000,000 to sign him, EE, Fast and Miller. Stepan eating up over 70% of that figure simply won't work.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:33 am EST

If the players than can be compared to Step are at or about 6 mil, that is probably where the Arbitrator will end up. Now if the Rangers walk in offering 5 per, and Steps side comes in at 6.5, it might end up at 5.75 for 2 years. Now the Rangers can use that in negotiations as well. Sure they can play for that and than come UFA go for a big raise, but what if he gets hurt? What if he has a bad season in year 2? Lots can happen, so signing long term at 6 per might be safer. Or get him to sign a 2 year 6 per deal. Year one at 5 mil and year two at 7 mil. That way he starts negotiations at 7 mil for his next deal, and the capo will most likely be more forgiving on that. Or better yet for the Rangers. 4 mil in year 1 and 7 in year 2, that makes it a 5.75 per deal that still sets Step up for a nice big increase in two summers and that would help the Rangers now and Step later. It all comes down to if the Rangers will pick 1 or 2 years for arbitration...and if steps agent feels that 6 is the best he will do. Because it would be 6 for each year, so he would start negotiating at 6, if he can sign a deal that ends at 7 mil or even 6.5 thats a running start for his first UFA deal.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:32 am EST

RF4L... The bulk of comparable center's to Stepan are averaging about a $6.5 Million cap hit. We can realistically expect him to be there on a five or six year deal. The last couple of years of his deal he'll probably get $7.5 Mil, but the 2 remaining RFA years will keep the cap hit down.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:20 am EST

FYI, that is EE's only NHL and professional fight and prior to that, he had 3 in the WHL. It's highly doubtful this kid is gonna start dropping them when he puts on a Ranger jersey. That said, it's 4 more fights than Hagelin's had!

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:16 am EST

NN: That's why I said 'when it comes to negotiating'. Guess I was a little vague there - I meant outside of arbitration when the 2 sides are negotiating.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:13 am EST

I think that rule applies only to arbitration.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:11 am EST

WIOSA.... They can use his current RFA deal, not the UFA extension which starts in 2016-17. His current deal was for 2-years and $12 Million. The author of the SI article was making the argument that an arbiter could focus solely on the 2nd year of the deal which was for $6.2 Million. I don't believe that to be the case.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 7 2015 11:09 am EST

The $6.2 million part they can use of ROR's deal not the $7.5 million part.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:53 am EST

Wild, According to sports illustrated, they can use part of ROR`s deal....Hip, wish I had your optimism

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:53 am EST

RF4L: UFA contracts are not admissable for the arbitration hearings. I posted this the other day, my comparables would be DUCHENE/COUTURE/RNH; all got $6 million after their "bridge contracts"

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:30 am EST

RR4L, -- I'm more guessing, wishful thinking & speculating. I have MCILLRATH in as the solid D6 (after a trade), and ETEM bigger than HAGELIN. STALBERG > STLOUIS.

hipcheck


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:22 am EST

RF4L: ROR can't be brought up. his contract is a UFA contract since he would have been a UFA July 1 of next year. Only RFA contracts can be used for comparison. Same goes for Stastny, not sure if the other two were going to UFAs or were UFAs when they signed. I wish there was a filter on one of the cap sites that showed if a contract was a UFA or RFA contract.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:21 am EST

https://youtu.be/1X3RY4TwQeE ..... Nice!!! We are adding youth, a little size & some toughness to the 4th line maybe 3rd line. I think this is the type of young player we've talked about needing for a long time.

hipcheck


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:18 am EST

hip: Where are you getting that? Yes, the departure of puny MSL helps, but other than Stralberg, who's 13th forward, where's this influx of size coming from? Right now, McI is the 8th d-man, if he's there at all. I'm confused...

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:17 am EST

Wild: When it comes to negotiating, ROR will be one name. Yes, he's an anomaly but his name will be brought up. But for sure, here are names comparable: Paul Statsny (signed a $7,000,000 per last year), Michel Bergeon (nearly $7,000,000 and signed nearly 2 years ago), Miko Koivu (nearly $7,000,000 and signed nearly 3 years ago). IMO if Stepan wants the money, he'll get it. The Rangers have no leg to stand on, save for 'don't you wanna stay in NY where we've built something special'. I'm not saying that isn't a potentially persuasive argument but in terms of comparable salaries, they don't have much to go on.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:09 am EST

What's exciting is the team is almost certainly guaranteed to be bigger, heavier, younger & tougher (Thank God!!) next season. Taller, stronger & more grit. Let MILLER, ZUCCARELLO & MCILLRATH play their naturally abrasive games.

hipcheck


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:06 am EST

So here is a good question. What players will be comparable for Stepans agent to use in arbitration? That will go a long way to figuring out what he would be awarded.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:05 am EST

RF4L, my addiction! Had my coffee (or 2) feeling better. Can't believe how many fans around the net blame Hank for everything! According to these fans Stepans arbitration/trade/Ufa is mostly Hanks fault, partially Nash`s. Of course, they also blamed Hank for our game 7 Shut-Out loss. Still hopeful they`'ll settle.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 10:05 am EST

RF4L: yes. But they could still work out a sign and trade type deal. Steps agent gets to talk to a couple teams, come to terms. Put verbiage in the deal that allows him to be traded to 1 team for 1 week or 1 day. Get the deal signed than trade him for a pre-arranged return. But the chances of something that complex happening are about zero of course.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 7 2015 9:46 am EST

jnyr: LOL...the last few words are hilarious: 'leaving the Rangers with nothing'. LOL. Thank goodness Sather has vacated the GM spot. Now we all wait with bated breath on Gorton's first official move as a GM (that extends beyond some rinky-dinky UFA signings last week).

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 9:26 am EST

want to puke so early in the morning.......http://thehockeywriters.com/revisiting-the-callahan-st-louis-trade/

jnyr


Tue Jul 7 2015 9:11 am EST

We will be fooled again.

RF73


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:36 am EST

so glad we signed boyle a third pair defenseman to 4.5 million....hmmm haglin 3rd liner not worth the same money ...interesting.

vcp1994


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:19 am EST

FWIW, the CBA forbids any team from trading a player who's elected to go to arbitration before the hearing occurs. That's not to suggest that the Rangers are actively shopping Stepan; no doubt they will wait to see what he will cost before making the decision whether or not to trade him.

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 8:09 am EST

same as the old math.......

mf


Tue Jul 7 2015 7:29 am EST

the new math ?....hagelin 17/18...35....msl 21/31...52....looks like 38/49.....87 ....to me.....so 2 guys 20/25...40/50...90 ...will do.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 7 2015 7:26 am EST

WIOSA: Sounds like you need coffee as much as the Rangers need another top 6 forward! ;^)

RF4L


Tue Jul 7 2015 7:10 am EST

...that should've said we don't ONLY need nameless faceless not no longer. <----- no excuse I typed it, it's not auto correct. Need coffee...

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 7:08 am EST

TD, that doesn't make me feel better. First off, the playoffs is why we need - desperately - a power forward, to take the onus off Nash, and allow him and nameless faceless PF to score. Secondly, we all seem to feel we have a reservation to the playoffs...we don't. We do not have to make up 50 some odd points, we have to make us 80-90 points...just to get us to the playoffs. During the playoffs, we no longer need that additional nameless faceless PF to divert the attention from our top scorer, now we need to make up speed, another 12 points in the playoffs, and someone on the PK. So playing with the numbers does not make me feel better. But thanks for trying....{{going off mumbling and crying in my coffee}}

WIOSA


Tue Jul 7 2015 6:22 am EST

Perhaps it's just me, but I don't see the Rangers exhibiting ANY interest in a guy like SEMIN, even if he's offering his services at highly discounted rates...Not sure if it's AV or the GMs, but neither has shown much interest in bringing Russian players to the team...literally, the last Russian we had on the roster was ANISIMOV more than three years ago. And he was at least consistent. I personally don't think it'd be a bad idea to give the guy a try. There's a boatload of talent that is going to likely go to a team for under $2 million..potential 30-goal scorer...I just don't see the Rangers taking that risk...now Mike RICHARDS, OTOH...I could see that happening, depending on how his situation shakes out...He might be forced to take a Malone-type two-way contract to get on a team...and frankly, he has a lot of what the Rangers could use on their bottom lines...if SHEPPARD isn't getting resigned...Richards or Jarret STOLL would both be good, low-cost options.

tdchi


Tue Jul 7 2015 6:05 am EST

WIOSA - Here's a way to feel a little better about losing production from HAGELIN and ST. LOUIS. Combined, they scored three goals and nine assists over the last 19 games the Rangers' played. Spread that out over 82 games and the Rangers need to somehow come up with 51 points...12 goals and 39 assists...between the two lineup players who replace them...that's about six goals per player....Granted the Rangers want a better outcome than they had in the playoffs...but if you look at what Hags and MSL were doing for the team during their time in need on offense...well...it wasn't much...I think there's a very real possibility that the Rangers get better production from their replacements, whether they be STALBERG, ETEM or even someone like LINDBERG....and that's before taking into consideration any sort of gains made by the youngsters.

tdchi


Tue Jul 7 2015 5:56 am EST

mf - Gotta agree with the boys here: You're California dreaming if you think the Rangers are going to try to move BOYLE or that he'd even want to move if they did. I held out hope that maybe they'd bring home the cup and he'd retire...but even then, we'd still be saddled with his cap hit...Thought some fans really weren't pleased with his play during the season including yours truly, he was fifth on the team in scoring during the playoffs...YANDLE and/or KLEIN would be moved before Boyle is shopped....and TBH, I think they'd move one of the guys without an NTC/NMC before they'd even contemplate moving him. Like it or not, he's a Ranger until next year.

tdchi


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:34 pm EST

NHL Center's with 2000+ 5v5 mins ranked by 5v5 pts/60 since 2011-12: ....https://twitter.com/SteveBurtch/status/618259320485085184

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:13 pm EST

Connor McDavid scores FIVE goals at the #Oilers prospect game tonight.... The NYR will never be fortunate enough to draft a player that talented.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:11 pm EST

MF.... In your opinion Alexander Semin is a "head case" but Mike Richards isn't? Interesting.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:11 pm EST

E I hope so. Im still not seeing MSL and Hags points returning, hoping that Miller, Hayes, Fast can increase enough to make up for the loss. That leaves us back to the starting gate, where we pretty much all agreed we could use a power forward. I dunno,,,maybe it'll be ok.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 9:38 pm EST

E: On the distance between the clubs, it’s close enough, big whoop on the miles :-), ....... I'm just unimpressed with the Rangers this draft & offseason thus far, and impatient to see this Stepan situation unfold….. And whoever said, “that in a few years his salary won’t seem expensive just might be right.” …………… Agree on the overall team, think we have the deepest D in the league, just hope McIlrath gets his minutes……… OAN: For $1mm on a one year, Mike Richards sure has a lot to prove, worth a look…… OAN: Anyone up on the chance TBL doesn’t extend Stamkos, creating a bidding war for him??? Like to see Gorton get in on that….. OAN: Anyone up on the Justin Schultz situation in Edmonton? Wasn’t he the kid that would only sign with the Oilers? The kid looks good offensively, but can he play defense?

mf


Mon Jul 6 2015 8:42 pm EST

On roster spots. Obviously the New York Rangers outside of the Stepan situation added some depth that was very inexpensive. Lindberg is probably coming and possibly McIlrath. I figure that they'd sure love to add a top-6 threat but that would take creativity. Your 2015-16 New York Rangers are very likely gonna look pretty much like your boys who were one game away from a SCF a few months ago. And that isn't the worst thing that could happen. there is a lot of good stuff by which to work with. I would imagine that they are still close although they likely are 2 or so pieces away...

E


Mon Jul 6 2015 8:38 pm EST

MF: That is like saying that someone who plays for the New York Rangers has close connections in Carolina. You do realize that San Jose and LA are not close together and the lifestyles are about as different as could be. I think we are married to Boyle for this season. And frankly, he was better then I expected on many nights. I realize that the awesome offensive game that he once had in SJ and TB is no more but for many games in the playoffs he was outstanding.

E


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:52 pm EST

Semin? ...goes straight to drinking piss and skipping the cheerios

E


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:52 pm EST

I think the best shot at trading Boyle is to Anaheim or L.A. because he more than likely still has relationships on the P-Coast, both teams should be competitors this season, & they have the cap room....... On Semin, I don't know.. The roster spots are few, I just want the Ranger Brass to make the best choices & decisions..

mf


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:40 pm EST

MF... Head case? His issues are laziness, which he certainly wouldn't be able to get away with on this team. He would also come relatively cheap. If he doesn't work out, we don't lose much, but of he does.... In regard to Boyle, I don't think you have a prayer of moving him. If you could, your best shot would be teams looking to hit the cap floor(JMO).

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:30 pm EST

Doesn't L.A. know that Dan Boyle IS available & they would benefit from a veteran puck moving D'man for the right Side??? Damn, they got the Cap Room too.........

mf


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:26 pm EST

Semin seems like a total head case high risk signing. What is this guys contribution OFF the ice to the team??? I would not waste a roster spot on him hoping he somehow puts it together.. jmon

mf


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:06 pm EST

Interesting stat..... Since 2005, only 16 NHL centers have had a higher PPG from ages 22-24 than Derek Stepan (min. 150 games played).

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 7:02 pm EST

MF... True, but we know that Nash fits. Kessel is a question mark. Semin would come relatively cheap (1-year deal) and we wouldn't have to trade anyone. Health is a bit of a concern but we only really need him for the playoffs.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 6:56 pm EST

Kreider / Stepan / Kessel would have sucked anyway.... no need to even experiment with that one.....

mf


Mon Jul 6 2015 6:54 pm EST

Lost Opportunities dusted off: IMO, Stepan would have 50 helpers with that fat dough-boy, lockerroom cancer Phil Kessel on his flank....

mf


Mon Jul 6 2015 6:32 pm EST

Couple things, re: STEPAN - I would be surprised if he's traded. Very surprised. But then again, if he tries to play hardball with Sather...well...we know what happens to those players...he's already had one brush with a tough contract negotiation...not sure how the geniuses at SI come up with Step's vastly superior stats, but whatever...I don't really see how the Sabres' massive and unreasonable overspending on a contract they will soon come to loathe(see: Jack EICHEL's first brush with free agency) is seen as a barometer for what Step will get...simply put, he's not on the open market and personally, I suspect both sides would like to lock up for a long-term deal rather than go through arbitration...that him filing is more pro-forma than anything else...BUT...if Brooks and Carp are onto something...if this IS the end of Step's career as a Rangers, I'd point to the massive haul the Sabres just got for ROR...and that Step would likely bring home an equal, probably even greater haul...I'm pretty certain he'd command two NHL-ready prospects, a blue chipper and a high draft pick...and if we're talking about ways to get creative with the cap, that's certainly one way of doing it...my preference is to keep Step...but certainly, they have the depth now they could likely move him and not skip much of a beat...the team could actually end out ahead of the game if they get a grade-A haul ...I wouldn't even care to speculate where he'd get moved...but with MILLER, HAYES and LINDBERG...I wouldn't sweat too much over it...

tdchi


Mon Jul 6 2015 5:29 pm EST

Rhett,,ahh, okay. Preferable to avoid it. I agree.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 5:13 pm EST

Capitals re-sign Evgeny Kuznetsov to a 2 year deal, 3M cap hit

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 5:11 pm EST

Wiosa.... I was giving you how I believe the NYR would argue that same contract from their point of view. I don't think it would help Stepan like the SI writer does. Both points of view would be argued in front of the arbiter. I also don't think they get to argue the minutia of any SPC (though I could be wrong). Anyway, Whether it's a 2 year deal or a long term deal, I still think we avoid arbitration.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 4:35 pm EST

Not giving the source, but there is a rumor none-the-less: "Hearing Hawks may be close on a Sharp deal with Florida."

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 4:31 pm EST

WIOSA: I share your opinion that signing Stephan for 2 years is probably the most pragmatic choice....

Ranger47


Mon Jul 6 2015 4:21 pm EST

STEPAN or no STEPAN, it doesn't matter. The system is fully in place finally, every player on the roster is hand-picked to play this system. One of these scrap-heap free-agents will pleasently surprise. I expect a younger, tougher, still super fast team. We WILL break out of the zone with authority, and constantly pressure the opposition defense no matter who is dressed for the Rangers. Superstars are over rated. SPEED. CRASH THE NET. SHOOT. Simple. MCILLRATH, MILLER, KREIDER, HAYES, FAST will all thrive with huge new roles and icetime. We need a playoff mentality. The team will learn lessons from the last 2 bitter end of seasons, and prepare smartly for what it takes in the playoffs next year.

hipcheck


Mon Jul 6 2015 3:52 pm EST

RHETT, according to Sports Illustrated - here's the link http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/07/06/nhl-salary-arbitration-cases-likely-outcomes-derek-stepan-braden-holtby he can use part of it. Still don't understand the Salary vs Cap hit stuff, or arbitration for that matter, but this article (granted SI doesn't actually love hockey so they may be wrong) seems to indicate it doesn't look that rosey. As for replacing Step on top of the others we've lost - (BTW what the hell happened to Sheppard? He' just got swallowed up or something) I agree 100%.....WILD when I talk Cup run, I mean the WHOLE magilla. That includes those pesty playoffs, that we seemed to make defensive powerhouses out of every team we played. You do remember the score we lost by right? You do remember we all agreed we needed someone to take the onus off Rick, and add more scoring? That is what I meant..

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 3:39 pm EST

WIOSA: only 2 teams score more goals per game than the Rangers did last season. Just 2. Offensive production was not a problem. So stop saying anemic when speaking off an offense that all but two teams couldn't match.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 3:38 pm EST

Wiosa.... Again, I doubt ROR's current contract get's used in an arbitration setting because the only reason he was making as much as he was on this current deal was because he was signed to an offer sheet on the prior one. That would also be bought up during the hearing and IMO make it pretty moot ....Hospo... Brassard had the luxury of playing with the Red Hot Rick Nash for most of the season, but what did Step have? A struggling MSL? He still got his points. You take Stepan off that line and we turn into a very 1 dimensional team. You're say you want to go for it every year; With that in mind, getting rid of Stepan makes very little sense.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 3:12 pm EST

Hospo ?? Isnt that what every team is looking for? Especially ones that are rebuilding and have money. How many rookies/untested are we going to have on this Cup team, that I remind everyone, had no problem with Defense, it's Offense that was lacking. We took our anemic offense, removed about 70 points with 2 forwards, and now we're going to remove more, and replace him with a questionable? This is just silly....Tell Girardi, Hank, Staal, and Nash that we're rebuilding, get a list of teams theyre willing to go to and do it right. No more "almost good enough" teams just to keep the fans in their seats. Just MHO

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 3:04 pm EST

RHET - " 2nd highest PPG producer behind Nash in the regular season, the 2nd highest point producer in the Postseason behind Brassard(last 2 years), but clearly he's the problem why we haven't won a cup" --Totally agree, although I think you are being rough on Stepan......"one of the problems" is more like it.......WIOSA - Obviously, if it comes to a trade of Stepan, you will not get a player of equal value in return but perhaps a smart GM can get bacK at least two youn NHLers that help the team now along with cap relief.. That would be the goal at least

Hospo


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:52 pm EST

Ranger47 since there doesn't seem to be anyone hanging round able to surpass Derricks numbers (for less money mind you...) I say sign him for 2 years. Our window wont be open longer than that anyroad.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:52 pm EST

Then no and no and no...

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:50 pm EST

Stevie No silly, he hangs out with Moe and Curly

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:50 pm EST

bald larry the nyr dancer and prancer?

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:50 pm EST

Uh-oh....let's hope Sports Illustrated is displaying their hockey knowledge on a level that they cover hockey..."what's hockey?"....http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/07/06/nhl-salary-arbitration-cases-likely-outcomes-derek-stepan-braden-holtby

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:49 pm EST

Larry the cable guy ?

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:47 pm EST

Seems to me that the question is not so much "what is Stephan worth?" so much as it is "what is Stephan worth to this team either as a player or a trading chip?". With him on the squad, you have him, Brass, Nash, Zucc, Hayes, Kreider and Miller as your top 7. Add Fast as #8 in the top 9, and our 4th line however if turns out. You have to ask if this is enough to make a serious Cup run given our strength on D. If not, what can you do to "change the mix" of the offense. The most reasonable move would be to trade Stephan and replace him with a "different type of forward". If you think Stephan is perfect for the mix you want, then the question is do you want to commit to that mix for a couple of years while the window is open (2 year contract) and then blow up the team mix or, instead, get signed for 6-7 years to keep some continuity of the current mix beyond the 2 year horizon. Gorton has decisions to make....

Ranger47


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:45 pm EST

Larry who?

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:10 pm EST

RF4L... Is that the Gospel according to Larry?

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:05 pm EST

Rhet: IMO, when you're facing the very real possibility that you'll have to trade your first line center because you cannot afford to re-sign him it's a cap mess. There's too much money invested in the defense IMO and it's starting to come at the expense of the offense.

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 2:03 pm EST

good teams have cap problems, bad teams cap floor problems....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:56 pm EST

We don't have a cap mess. We could be in better shape but it's manageable. I said 3 or 4 years ago that the NYR would have to get rid of some popular players in the years to come but that's the cap world we now live in. Also, Sather finally retired because too many teams wanted Gorton as GM. He couldn't hold him off any longer. Thank you Jeff Gorton!

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:47 pm EST

that's one of the reasons he stepped aside among many ....Gorton is left holding the bag......of fish in the sun.....slick Sather....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:40 pm EST

I wonder what Gorton's bottom line is. Sather left him a nice cap mess, didn't he? LOL....

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:39 pm EST

Radulov...lol...what a nob. Of course, some stupid GM will sign him...

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:32 pm EST

Per Igor Eronko.... Alexander Radulov told @GazetaBOsport he considers return to the #NHL after next season when he's slated to become an UFA #KHL.... Radulov had 71 points in 46 KHL games last year.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:21 pm EST

RF4L, yeah, I think I would.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:20 pm EST

RF4L: I wouldn't pay him that much, unless we could guarantee the cap was going to go up to 80 mil within a year or two...but that can't be done....so I would cap it at 6.5 at the absolute max if its long term.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 1:18 pm EST

Jimmy Hayes signs a 3 year contract w/ the Bruins. 2.3M per.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:45 pm EST

Per Sean Hartnett...... Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi, Boyle currently have full no-moves. Nash, Brassard, Zucc, Moore have no-trades. McDonagh NTC kicks in next summer

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:39 pm EST

WIOSA: Would you give Stepan $7,500,000/year?

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:24 pm EST

36M for 6 years or 13M for 2. I like him, but anything more I trade him.

Ranger47


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:23 pm EST

RF4L, I was one of the ones...I think Wild first mentioned him, who was interested in Mattias.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:21 pm EST

Sign Stepan at all costs...there is nobody out there to replace him for this year. He's a good player, our top center defensively responsible, another core player. We still haven't replaced MSL and Hags production or better said "contribution". If he does in fact have better numbers than ROR and we were gung ho to land the latter, then you know what Stepan is worth on the open market. Salaries are not going down (except mine which goes down by virtue of not going up...but I digress). Pay the man.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:21 pm EST

BTW, for those who were mentioning Shawn Mattias as a possible UFA for the Rangers last week, he signed a 1 year deal with the Leafs today at $2,300,000. Even if the Rangers were interested, wouldn't have worked - too much money for them.

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:14 pm EST

So I'm curious about the wall's take on the Stepan situation. What's everyone's bottom line here? Sign Stepan at all costs? Or the top is $7,000,000? If not, what is the highest you think the Rangers should go. And if it looks like the gap is too large and a prolonged, acrimonious battle is looming, then I guess the alternative is to trade him....

RF4L


Mon Jul 6 2015 12:05 pm EST

Wild... The maximum contract length is actually 7 years if you are signing someone else's UFA and 8 years if you are re-signing your own. IMO, I wouldn't give Stepan more than 5 or 6 years. I don't think his cap hit will be nearly as bad as everyone is expecting.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:59 am EST

Max contract length is 7 years now. This all hinges on what I've talked about. How badly does Step want to be a Ranger and win a Ranger vs how much does he want more money. If being a Ranger is worth 14 mil than he will sign at 5.5 even though ROR got 7.5. Now 14 mil is a lot even when your talking about still making 38.5 mil so maybe that's too much. But 7-10 mil would put him at 6-6.5 per. He may be willing to give up 10 mil over 7 years to stay a Ranger. Because he needs to know he will be dealt if he goes for too much against the cap.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:47 am EST

So Rangers get hit hard by ROR not necessarily in arbitration, but in negotiating directly with Stepan. Gorton's opinion of Stepan and his importance to this team will become apparent pretty quickly IMO. If he thinks Step is a really good, but not great player....not a player that is irreplaceable....then this situation gives him the excuse and the cover to mold this team HIS way very quickly by trading Stepan. If he really sees Stepan as a key piece of this team....an excellent young player who still hasn't hit his prime yet....then he's gojng to to be very creative to keep him and not destroy the cap. He has to compete with ROR, $7.5 mil for 7. His carrots? A NTC and longer years.....would Gorton offer Stepan an 8-10year deal at $6.5 mil with a NTC? Would Stepan bite? It would guarantee Stepan to stay in one place and cement his reputation with the Rangers as one of their core players and leaders....a big honor, if Stepan is about more than just the money.

JFC31


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:46 am EST

Per Ryan Rishaug.... No Oilers elect to take team to arbitration. I'd Expect Expect the Oilers to file for arbitration on Schultz today. That will trigger buyout window for them....They can still settle with Schultz camp without a hearing and buyout window remains.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:36 am EST

Per David Pagnotta.... Semin (UFA) & Grigorenko (RFA) have received interest from multiple KHL teams. Priority for both is to sign in the NHL. Grigorenko and the Avs have started contract negotiations, but nothing (as of this morning) is imminent.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:26 am EST

Stepan is the 2nd highest PPG producer behind Nash in the regular season, the 2nd highest point producer in the Postseason behind Brassard(last 2 years), but clearly he's the problem why we haven't won a cup ...Wild... When it's player elected arbitration. the team selects whether it's a 1 or 2 year deal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:11 am EST

Nothing like nyr drama . I doubt stepan gets traded or agrees to a long term deal. Probably 2 year arbitration deal. Then he goes on the trading block before next season unless cap really goes up. And they traded hagelin to make cap room for him. Line up the carts before the horses. Guess the fisherman will be calling sather 5 times a day ... Gm is not an easy job , even though it sounds so simple here. ... One thing for sure after next season this team will be vastly changed for the following season. The window is this season coming up.... Go for it, then retool back to the competitive rebuild again ....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:08 am EST

HOSPO: There is something to look at. If they can get Stepan signed long term and have a trade in place before hand that he is OK with the pace he is going to, he may be worth more than right now. A long term deal can make a guy like Step more valuable since he can't just walk away a year or two after the trade is made.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 11:06 am EST

should read a "2 year deal from arbitration"

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:55 am EST

Since the POs, becacuse of his precarious contract situation and how i veiw his game, i always thought Stepan was the first one (not necessarily the last) the Rangers should be trying to deal this summer to get out of cap hell and with the goal of making the team more complete for the PO battles..I'm glad it is still looking as a possibility but not crazy how it came about (perhjaps lowering his trade values)..But, obvioulsy, the last days of Sather were not a good time for the Rangers

Hospo


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:47 am EST

andrei: He has 2 years or RFA left. He can get a year arbitration deal, not sure who chooses that, might be the team. But I can't remember. As for the 5.5...yes I think he may still do something like that, maybe just one year 5.5 in order to make sure they don't have to get rid of any important parts, and to make sure he doesn't end up in Edmonton or some such place. But that remains to be seen. If the Rangers come it at 5-5.5 to Arbitration, and Step comes in at 6.5-7 we will see him get 6 mil per probably....so he may sign for that long term and help the team and himself.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:44 am EST

JFC: For sure a trade of Stepan wouldn't be an automatic death to the Rangers as a top team. It could make them better...but it could make them worse. It would all depend on how the trade went down and how good of a job the Rangers scouts and stuff did evaluation the return.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 6 2015 10:22 am EST

Weeks ago i wanted Stepan to be traded at the draft. Wild, still think he will take $5.5 mil "home" discount? If i'm understanding it correctly, if Rangers and a Stepan will end up going trough with arbitration, is he a UFA next summer? In this case, next season will be his last as a NY Ranger.

andrei


Mon Jul 6 2015 9:49 am EST

JFC: Can't use the ROR contract; but I think they might use the contracts of DUCHENE/COUTURE/RNH as those 3 all got bumped up to $6 million after their "bridge contracts".

DOUBLEN


Mon Jul 6 2015 9:11 am EST

So Carpiniello just wrote the same exact thing I posted on Sunday....that the ROR contract is going to make Stepan much more expensive and hard to keep than before and that there's a good chance they'll have to trade him. So,which is it? I'm reading posts here that claim ROR can't be used as a comparable in arbitration. If that's true, then the Rangers absolutely have the ability to keep Stepan for 2 more years. If it's not true, then the Rangers screwed themselves by waiting to sign Stepan. If Gorton feels he has no better choice but to trade Stepan, we'll get an instant read on his skill as a GM because I truly believe that a good return on Stepan could work out very well for the Rangers....a trade of Stepan could absolutely allow Gorton to change this team to a more PO oriented team and put Gorton's stamp firmly on the Rangers. I do not feel that trading Tsepan would be a disaster as Carp thinks it would be if Gorton is a skilled GM who knows how to horse trade.

JFC31


Mon Jul 6 2015 8:39 am EST

http://snyrangersblog.com/rangers/the-rangers-at-one-point-were-reportedly-talking-with-st-louis-about-kevinshattenkirk/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 8:39 am EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2015/07/06/stepan-files-for-arbitration-and-it-will-be-ugly-for-rangers-might-force-a-trade/#sthash.nSiCDy8v.dpbs

stevielegs


Mon Jul 6 2015 5:49 am EST

Carly Lloyd goes hard to the net in big games and into traffic maybe Nash could learn a thing or two about a woman who has bigger balls than he does. This woman said she wanted to cement her legacy in this tournament and did it. Nash thinks he does pretty good come playoffs must be rough to have the character of half the wizard of oz crew before they reached the wizard scared and no heart. Damn USA put on a destruction of epic proportions

York18


Sun Jul 5 2015 8:26 pm EST

Stepan can't be given an offer sheet, so the NYR next order of business would be to sign Miller, Fast and Etem. None have arbitration rights so they should be relatively easy. IMO, we should then work on an extension for Yandle. Get a feel for what he's looking for. Then at the last minute we'll sign Stepan(perhaps right before his hearing), because that's the way we roll.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 7:57 pm EST

Yes Pat....That is LITERALLY what it means. Thanks for the definition.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 7:35 pm EST

Pat Leonard &#10004; @PLeonardNYDN Stepan elects salary arbitration. Means if he & #NYR can't find middle ground on long-term deal, arbitrator would define one-yr deal value

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:47 pm EST

The USA Women's team sure can skate. Is Carly Lloyd a UFA?

Bob


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:33 pm EST

&#8207;@theScore..... Report: Alex Semin open to 1-year contract, not open to KHL deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:17 pm EST

Carli Lloyd with a hattrick

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:16 pm EST

4-0 U.S.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:14 pm EST

WOW.. 3-0 U.S.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:05 pm EST

2-0 U.S. Ladies

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:03 pm EST

SCORRRRREEEEEEEEEEE

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 5:36 pm EST

JF: I'm. It arguing the logic in theory behind locking your guys up early. That makes sense but again with a team pushed to the cap with what I consider very expensive internal assets as well as max contracts brought in externally there just is not a lot of room to lock people up under the cap prematurely. It's the economic realities of the NHL. Looks at TB right now. Are they screwing up by not locking up Stamkos 2-years ago. My point is nothing is that simple

E


Sun Jul 5 2015 4:14 pm EST

St.Louis' Alexander Steen 31 y/o, 74gp / 24 / 40a/ 64 pts earning $5.8mill http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3061

mf


Sun Jul 5 2015 4:10 pm EST

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/23-players-elect-salary-arbitration

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 4:07 pm EST

a deal will be worked out with stepan, either 2 year arbitration, or a longer ntc deal. if not plan b sign a ufa.....for a lot less money.....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 4:07 pm EST

Derek Stepan has filed for salary arbitration. (NHLPA)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 3:59 pm EST

Fancy

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 3:50 pm EST

plain

mf


Sun Jul 5 2015 3:35 pm EST

The Buffalo stuck thing to me is a load of crap, with all due respect. They traded for him knowing full well the dilemma and the likelihood of the $$ they'd need to sign him.

RF4L


Sun Jul 5 2015 3:33 pm EST

Rhet: Re the Kadri signing. It's interesting because when Kadri was seeking his just expired deal so was Stepan and the 2 players had comparable stats. Not so much now obviously. The money Stepan's going to get is what Kadri could have commanded if his career had continued to develop on the same plane.

RF4L


Sun Jul 5 2015 3:18 pm EST

lb writes stuff then comes here or vice versus...he's allowed his opinion too....the facts are hidden ...sometimes his source gives him info or exclusives...the rest is his thought process....don't shoot the messenger.....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 3:16 pm EST

Deadline for player-elected salary arbitration is 5 pm today. Even if Stepan and the NYR were close, he'd still file as a formality. I haven't seen anything yet, but with most of the beat writers on vacation, it's not surprising either.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 2:58 pm EST

Leafs sign Nazem Kadri to a 1 year $4.1-million extension.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 1:45 pm EST

Brooks also goes to the well one time too many. He writes a ROR/Stepan piece pretty much annually.... Last August..... Larry Brooks notes that Ryan O’Reilly has 73 goals and 118 assists in 345 games and Derek Stepan has 73 goals and 124 assists in 294 games. (Brooks) Brooks says that when Stepan is eligible for arbitration next summer $6 million and O’Reilly will be his comparable. O’Reilly just signed a two-year deal two stay in Colorado for $5.8 million this year and $6.2 million next year. (Brooks) O’Reilly signed an offer sheet with Calgary during the 2013 season that paid him $3.5 million that season and $6.5 million this past season. His qualifying offer this past season was $6.5 million.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 1:35 pm EST

WILD... I'm not his Editor. Besides, when has Brooks ever fact-checked anything?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 1:01 pm EST

Rhet: but he talks about an arbitration amount of 7+ or even 8.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 5 2015 12:53 pm EST

At least when he was talking in terms of a long term deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 12:50 pm EST

NN... I was basing my 2-year Stepan deal off Saad's recent deal, plus a little bit more to get him to avoid arbitration(On a side note: over the last 5 years, less than 5% of players have actually gone through the arbitration process). Where ROR's deal comes in to play is signing Stepan long-term, which is what Brooks was talking about.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 12:45 pm EST

NN--so this means that ROR's contract should have no impact on Stepan's arb award. So either Brooksie does not know this, or he does but ignoring it sells newspapers.

Bob


Sun Jul 5 2015 12:23 pm EST

This is what is Here's a sampling of what sort of evidence is inadmissible: A contract entered into when "the Player" was not a "group 2" restricted free agent Any contract signed by an unrestricted free agent (so only group 2 restricted free agents can serve as comparable players) A contract signed by a player that is not being offered as a comparable player Qualifying offers Prior negotiating history between the club and the player "Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game reports or similar materials" Any reference to walk-away rights Any arbitration award that a club walked away from "The financial condition of the club or the league" References to the club's salary cap situation, or the players' share (of hockey related revenue) Any arbitration award issued in 2005-06, or any reference to a salary arbitration opinion that took place prior to the beginning of the salary cap era for salary arbitration...

DOUBLEN


Sun Jul 5 2015 12:15 pm EST

Actually I don't think ROR can be used in arbitration. He was going to be a UFA, I don't think UFA contracts can be used, only RFA contracts. If that's the case Stepans agent will look insane if he comes in with an 8 mil deal and the highest RFA who compares is 6.5...

Wildcard


Sun Jul 5 2015 12:08 pm EST

Higgins...Okay, so for a team that came to game 7 of the ECF and only needed a tweak of one player, maybe two. We traded/lost Hags, MSL, Talbot, Hunwick. We want to give up, Boyle, Glass, Sheppard, Stepan, Klein. And we want to replace all these players (except Talbot) with rookies, or untested players. But we still want to go for a cup? And we still need the original request of a tweak of one forward.? Hmmmm, why am I thinking this is not going to work.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 5 2015 11:52 am EST

Stepan for Zetterberg.

Higgy21


Sun Jul 5 2015 11:46 am EST

Well I have to admit that the cap makes GM's jobs difficult. You need to determine the "keepers" as early as possible and try to lock them up. Maybe they had doubts about Stepan, although they did make him an alternate captain. It would have been better if they had locked him up. Now, we see where the process leads. It has already cost them Hagelin. The cap has not risen like it did under the old CBA. Gorton's first big test.

Bob


Sun Jul 5 2015 11:13 am EST

Brassard is not a comparable for Stepan. Stepan played fewer games than Brass but he had a better PPG average. Brass also played most of the year with a red hot Rick Nash, Stepan did not. Not a comparable. Postseasons are not used as comparable's for contracts ....DoubleN.... I totally agree. Where Buffalo was stuck between a rock and a hard place with ROR was that he would have been an UFA after the 2015-16 season, Stepan still has 2 RFA seasons left. It will make his deal cheaper(cap hit wise) than ROR's. IMO, Step either signs a deal similar to what you suggest or a 2-year deal to get through his RFA years in the low to mid sixes(maybe even less). Also, if the NYR had signed ROR to that deal instead of Calgary, we would have 'ruined the League.' ...Ranger47...Teams/players tend to avoid arbitration because of the hard feelings it leaves afterwards. Last season I don't think anyone went to arbitration. All the deals were settled beforehand.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 11:11 am EST

Well, unless STEP has to be traded...which I hope is the case

Hospo


Sun Jul 5 2015 11:10 am EST

Ranger47 - All AHL stats and play against AHLERs..I like Lindberger,,.No doubt he has earned the shot at the NHL but just ask JT MILLER how AHL numbers and dominance translateinto playing in the NHL some times...But my main point is that, as a CENTER, there is still no room at the INN for him as anything but an extra.until somebody gets hurt..And that will hyappen..So, really, no worry about him getting a chance.

Hospo


Sun Jul 5 2015 10:50 am EST

Oh and of course ROTs contract affects it. To say otherwise is brainless. However just because ROR got 7.5 it doesn't mean brooks is right that step will get 7+ or 8.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 5 2015 10:49 am EST

RF4L: No the arbitrator can pick any number, I do t think it's even limited to between the two sides...they can do whatever. But I've never heard of something outside those two offers, so maybe there is a rule. In any case 90% of the time it's right in the middle. But in any case...Duchene had near a ppg the year he signed his 6 mil extension, a better ppg avg that Step has ever had. He isn't as good defensively but that's harder to quantify than points. Brass is another guy who has done very well and who makes less. There are others as well I can't think of at the moment. But the arbitrators are not hockey people, they are lawyers so if the Rangers bring 5-6 names of players who have similar numbers but make 6 or less per and Stepans agent can just bring ROR who makes significantly more than 6 per it makes it look like ROR is an outlier.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 5 2015 10:41 am EST

Technically blame the Calgary Flames for ROR's contract; remember Calgary offersheeted him back in 2013 and Colorado matched; so coming off his ELC; his cap hit zoomed to $5 million and then their was nowhere to go but up. Give Stepan 2 years at $5 million; 4 years at $7.5 million=$6.66 cap hit.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jul 5 2015 10:31 am EST

Hospo: IMHO you will be seeing Lindberg on this squad sooner than later. He's got excellent FO stats (much needed) and is a really good/responsible two way player who they need to promote and integrate before they lose him for little or nothing. He's this year's youth infusion like Fast was last year.

Ranger47


Sun Jul 5 2015 10:27 am EST

Wonder if Stephan goes to arbitration if they factor into RDR's contract the fact he went to Buff, which probably has to pay more to get players to go there until the team turns things around..?! Similarly, do they factor in comparable players who took a discount to go to a contender?

Ranger47


Sun Jul 5 2015 10:23 am EST

Rhett....SMH, I don't understand that. I truly dislike Avery...he's just not a good player or person.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 5 2015 9:43 am EST

And BTW, Stepan's agent won't ask for "$7.5 million" Wildcard, unless he's a complete bufoon. Stepan beats ROR in every offensive category....his stats are BETTER THAN ROR's. That being thencase, you think Stepan's agent is going to,start negotiations at a point equal,to,a player who,is NOT AS GOOD as his client? Nope. He's more likely to start at $8 mil per and negotiate down.

JFC31


Sun Jul 5 2015 9:39 am EST

The only carrot that Gorton has to offer Stepan is a NMC. Perhaps if Stepan really, really does put staying as a Rangers as a BIG priority, maybe they swell,his ego,by giving him a contract similar to The King's in terms of full no,trade clause for 6 or 7 years. But, something tells me that isn't thencase with Stepan....IMO the past holdout speaks volumes, but we'll see.

JFC31


Sun Jul 5 2015 9:35 am EST

Wild -- you can look at the ROR contract for about 30 seconds and if you're not wearing perpetually rosey glasses it's quite simple to understand that Stepan will now be more willing to go arbitration than before and... SURPRISE, SURPRISE...he's goung to get MORE MONEY PER YEAR than he would have gotten before the ROR contract. That is not soon n' gloom that is the undeniable truth unless you're a)trying at every attempt to counter any criticism of Sather; or b) are completely blind to what is involved in arbitration and contract negotiations. I do t give a flying fudge if it's $250K more per year than he would,have gotten before the ROR deal....it still hurts our cap situation badly. But let me save you time and fill in your response for when/if,Stepan signs a contract: "we don't know what Stepan would have gotten before....for all we know, that amount of dollars per year is what the Rangers were planning on paying him all along....maybe this, maybe that, maybe the other thing. You can't prove the ROR contract effected the negotiations at all."

JFC31


Sun Jul 5 2015 9:09 am EST

And isn't arbitration done with one side winning? That is the arbitrator doesn't come in the middle somewhere. He picks either the player's number or the team's.

RF4L


Sun Jul 5 2015 9:06 am EST

In arbitration the ROR deal will be a factor. It could be a huge factor. That's because it's usually about now not last year or the year before (when deals for the likes of Duchene were signed). It's not very different from putting a price on your house. If one down the street that's similar to yours sets a record sale you'll price yours similarly. If not higher. Dangerous territory for the Rangers. They need to negotiate and settle on a mutually agreeable figure. If not an arbitrator could easily decide Stepan gets $7,000,000+.

RF4L


Sun Jul 5 2015 8:56 am EST

Rhet avery didn't realky get what he deserved from the nhl. He got sloppy seconds while others attempted murder and continued to play. He's no angel but he never intentionally try to physically injure a player. His was mental abuse. And they targeted him because of his attitude . He's an agitator who at least can play hockey compared some goons in the league....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 8:51 am EST

Wiosa without getting into a political conversation but they're are many who believe in the cap , and socialism is the way it should be. They want to cap what CEOs make. Just like hockey is capping teams to help the losing teams. Sports franchises get special treatment too. And the players and their agents and unions want their "fair share".

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 8:30 am EST

Stephan will NOT get 7 mil in arbitration. Look you doom and bloomers can spend years pointing to ROR...but guess what. The Rangers will point to Duchene, Brassard, and others who have the same production as Step for less than 6 or right at 6 per Stepans agent will ask for 7.5 sure. The Rangers will as for a 5.5 Brass contract. So think 6.5 if it gets to arb

Wildcard


Sun Jul 5 2015 8:04 am EST

Glen Sather was reportedly interested in bringing Sean Avery back to the Rangers early in 2013-14 when Avery “briefly flirted with returning to hockey.” (NY Post).... Alain Vigneault reportedly didn’t think that Avery could help the Rangers. (NY Post).... Larry Brooks writes that Sather was willing to bring Avery back for a third time “even after it had all gone so bad at the end in Hartford, even after Avery filed a grievance against Sather and the Rangers.” (NY Post).... Avery reportedly received $100,000 from a grievance he filed against the Rangers. (Daily News)... He reportedly filed a grievance against the Rangers because he was sent to Hartford while injured. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 5 2015 7:35 am EST

Pete I think it was Wards goal that was called off. Watched that thing several times, including the Refs/.Linesman (live wire) and that was not a blow call. *IF* that is what he's referring to.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 5 2015 7:29 am EST

From ESPN's initial power rankings article regarding the Caps..."The Caps were a blown call away from defeating the Rangers in the second round." Can someone remind me of said blown call?

pete


Sun Jul 5 2015 7:17 am EST

Stevielegs,,,I agree that the cap is the problem. Hey Ill take a cap with fines, as long as the team receiving the money from the higher grossing (paying) teams invests that money in their team. This hard cap is garbage. Can you imagine ANY other business being told they cant pay their employees or CEOS more money because it's not fair? WTH???

WIOSA


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:44 am EST

It was obvious the teams were using as an excuse that talbot only had 1 year left so the genius let them talk to his agent, and they possibly lowered their offer since supposedly talbot might want to test the ufa market next year. The Horton fisherman was in the middle of it too . Who knows besides the genius and the mini genius and the other gms what really transpired. But it looks like the Ny r overplayed their hand and got burnt.... Then they trade hagelin to make room for stepan's new contract but they don't have one yet and might not get one. The beat goes on and there are the others to resign who hopefully don't get an offer sheet. The real culprit is the cap and the buttman business plan . Now sather has somebody to blame. Good luck fisherman. ... Call messier....try moving faster than your half senile boss...

stevielegs


Sun Jul 5 2015 6:26 am EST

JFC kind of suspecting this is why he retired. This draft he was definitely left behind, and the trade of Talbot left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I do think he honestly was gambling on getting the highest bidder on the best goalie available, that said, his lack of 'communication' or inability to read, that both of the main buyers were expressing their concerns over Talbot having played less than a full season AND behind the best defense in the league, left him holding the bag. Hence, I believe, the curious statement alluding to his inability to communicate. or read the younger GMs. For all we know, Stepan will deal fairly with the Rangers (although I don't begrudge him whatever he can get). I do think it would've helped a LOT of they could've dealt another player in the Etem deal, and held onto a "core player". This would've went a long way in showing loyalty is a two way street. Just MHO

WIOSA


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:54 pm EST

E -- I am no hard core Dather basher, but you're not even factoring in the concept of his recent DAWDLING.....the lack of ability to get a deal done for Stepan allowed the O'Reilly signing to occur....and that is to the detriment of the NY Rangers and it only happened because the Rangers let things go too long. Sather also dawdled over the potential,Talbot deals that were being floated by various teams and ended up getting less than he could have/should have....also to the detriment of the NY Rangers. We all know the cap.is a pain in the ass, but the Rangers cap is either a) gonna take a huge hit because of the ROR contract or b) we're gonna have to trade Stepan.....and that sits at the feat of the GM who let the landscape change because he DAWDLED. File it under, "Ya snooze, ya loose."

JFC31


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:37 pm EST

E... I have no idea what you're trying to say. Just because we've come close to winning it all we should agree with every move made along the way? Keeping Richards that extra year was a huge mistake. One that could have killed us cap-wise if he had a season-ending injury, one that's coming to bite us in the backside now. We could have signed Stepan long term and also a FA to replace Richards that year. Anyway, I think we keep Stepan for the next 2 years(at least) but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 9:48 pm EST

So you pay out Stepan on his bridge contract and don't sign who a few years ago? That's not cap mismanagement, that's economic realities of the NHL. Let's assume the New York Rangers were able to acquire a similar deal as Colorado did. Where is the immediate help for Colorado. They are essentially young prospects. Traded from the bottom of the toilet to a Colorado team which is building for something. So, the New York Rangers get those comparable prospects. No number-1 center. Do you get back to the ECF without him?the New York Rangers have cap issues. This is what success brings. Now granted, unlike Chicago who managed to win several cups before they got into cap hell as a result of excellent drafting and development. The New York Rangers did acquire some pricy assets in recent years. Not to mention that while I think as a defensive unit the New York Rangers are the best in the NHL, they are also very expensive. But the grass isn't greener somewhere else. All teams contend with cap management issues. Especially when you are developing players who grow up and earned paydays. The scales of economy are in the NHL are insane. Signing Stepan to a long term deal for the next 5-6 at O'Reilly's number might actually be a bargain in 4-years. Look where this team has been since 2011? They've come pretty damn close. Theyve gone all in. Had they won? This conversation never happens. But they aren't there so Sather is a cap squandering buffoon from Banff. Success is expensive. Where I fault Sather is that he didn't do better on the development side. For all their suck in the lost years, the inability to draft anything elite has hurt them dearly. They've had to go outside and find max contract stars when they become available instead of enjoying 7-years of an up and coming star player who is cap friendly. Personally, I'd like to see if they can squeeze in another strong run. If not? Time to shed some salary and retool. But I cannot excoriate that guy for cap woes when we are in the midst of the best New York Rangers run in my lifetime. I would've loved a world where for example, Stralman was still here and holding the core together was no issue. Because I don't think Dolan would've had any issues pouring money into this team. He sure as hell shelled out a ton for crap that never amounted to anything.

E


Sat Jul 4 2015 8:37 pm EST

I was a very vocal proponent of signing Stepan to a long term deal two years ago when we had the chance(we could have signed him to Brassard-type money), but Sather had to keep Brad RIchards for another season (which was a very risky proposition). All hope is not lost. Stepan will most likely file for arbitration tomorrow(unless a deal has been worked out-doubtful). That will give the NYR the option of making it a 1 or 2 year deal. Teams/players generally try to avoid arbitration as it generally leaves hard feelings on both sides of the table. Stepan has 2 RFA years left so there's every chance they could get him signed in the mid sixes for those 2 years. I think it would be amicable to both sides and it would also keep him here for those 2 years or make him very desirable to another team in a trade. Whatever happens, IMO he wont be dealt before his arbitration hearing.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 8:13 pm EST

To me, this is doubly irritating. Playing hardball with the home grown players while selling out to bring other stars and vets in. I have zero problem with these guys getting what they can, as all of us would do. Tyler Bozak replacing Derek Stepan? You must be kidding. The guy is an alternate captain and is the bets center the Rangers have. So why was a longer term deal not negotiated with this guy already? Because Sather desired another schwanz measuring contest with Stepan? Now the ROR deal re-sets the deck. We'll see what approach Gorton takes now.

Bob


Sat Jul 4 2015 7:54 pm EST

Sather's chickens are comiing home to roost in so many ways with this Stepan situation. What a complete and utter clusterfuck he has saddled Gorgon with. Because of the ROR contract Gorton can't even lower the $$/year by offering Stean more years....ROR got seven freakin' years for crimminy sakes! They are going to have to trade Stepan and probably will get less because other GMs realize the leverage Stepan has. Stepan has already shown a willingness to hold out....combine that with Sather's hard ass bridge contract BS and it becomes a case of, "now it's my turn" for the player. They should trade Stepan, get Bozak and call it a day. If they can get a good return for Stepan to fill areas and ingredients we need, it could still work out. Bozak is a good player and he wins FOs

JFC31


Sat Jul 4 2015 7:53 pm EST

So, Stepan isn't worth it... Option B???

E


Sat Jul 4 2015 6:10 pm EST

Thanks OLA. That's what I thought. Enjoying the Summer? I have been to Malmo 6 times, always in the Winter.

Bob


Sat Jul 4 2015 6:07 pm EST

Bob- NMCs can actually only apply to UFA years. So when like Hayes next contract is signed he cannot even be given a NMC/NTC. Hence an arbitrator naturally cannot award a NMC/NTC since he only can be used on RFA years...

Ola


Sat Jul 4 2015 4:53 pm EST

MF--can the arbitrator award a NMC? Arbitration is only about dollars, right?

Bob


Sat Jul 4 2015 4:53 pm EST

Last fair deal in the country, Last fair deal in the town

mf


Sat Jul 4 2015 4:51 pm EST

a team can go over the cap during the summer

mf


Sat Jul 4 2015 4:51 pm EST

If he goes to arbitration and gets $7mill per on a two year deal, AND, there's no NMC or NTC, I'd let him get his Arb Money & then we look to trade him...

mf


Sat Jul 4 2015 4:50 pm EST

Well, what do they do with Step if they decide not to sign him? What kind of a trade do they make? If he goes to arbitration, what is he likely to get?

Bob


Sat Jul 4 2015 4:39 pm EST

No way is Stepan worth that money-7.5-8mm. That's Nash money, ans everyone thinks he is overpaid- yet only 1 player scored more goals in the league last year. Maybe time to say goodbye to him- although I like him, you can't justify that money on a non- physical player, as good a passer as he is. I would say no to anything over 6.5.

puckyou


Sat Jul 4 2015 3:57 pm EST

From Larry Brooks of the New York Post..... It was Christmas in July for Derek Stepan but a lump of coal in Jeff Gorton’s stocking, this gift of Buffalo’s seven-year, $52 million ($7.5 million per) extension to Ryan O’Reilly that kicks in next season and will keep on giving headaches to the Rangers and their newly installed general manager..... In a flash, Friday’s agreement between the needy Sabres and the 24-year-old center they obtained from Colorado last weekend blows to smithereens any hope the Blueshirts had of signing the 25-year-old Group II free agent center Stepan to a long-term deal in the range of $6.2 million to $6.5 million per...... It likely means Stepan, whose numbers are superior to O’Reilly’s in every meaningful category other than faceoff efficiency, not only will file for salary arbitration by Sunday’s 5 p.m. deadline, but could be in line for a two-year award taking him to unrestricted free agency worth well over $7 million per.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 2:44 pm EST

Per Dave Isaac.... Regarding rumors of a Kevin Shattenkirk trade, his agent says, "I have been led to believe there is no truth to these rumors." #Flyers

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 2:29 pm EST

Meet the new boss same as the old boss... Sather wouldn't have it any other way.... Gorton fish has been a part of the deals for awhile more than likely and kisses the ring steak of el presidente ....perfect together ... head scratchers ball...

stevielegs


Sat Jul 4 2015 1:29 pm EST

And McIlrath probably signs in the area of $1.5mill which saves $3mill in Cap there too.... Then our cap room goes from $10.8 mm to $14mm... ""IF"" we are $250K-$500K apart per year with Stepan, I'tll make it a whole lot easier to sign or move him....

mf


Sat Jul 4 2015 1:25 pm EST

As it stands now, sure looks like we're banking quite a bit on the increased production of Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Fast, and the defense... "IF" we could move Boyle & T.Glass, a 39 & 31.5 year old would be leaving (along with $5.950 million) we could attempt to replace Glass with Sheppard, cuts 4.5 years of age & perhaps saves us $200K or better while tripling the offensive production in that roster spot.... "AND" IF we bring up McIlrath (ready or not let him learn on the job) who is "16 years younger" and brings some tough as nails grit leadership to the roster in lieu of some offense lost with a departing Boyle... Let Oscar The Lindberg Baby start out at 4th line RW (I'm sure it'll stunt his career, NOT!) and we'd have Sheppard / Moore / Lindberg on the 4th line.. A line that would be tough, gritty, and a threat to score too..... ""IF"" we're of the premise that we're counting on the aforementioned group to pick up the scoring slack of MSL & Hagelin, I think that it's a consistent train of thought to improve the position Glass currently holds by adding some offensive potential there.. As a team we need "X" amount of goals & "X" amount of assists where they come from are secondary and tertiary topics.

mf


Sat Jul 4 2015 12:09 pm EST

Happy fourth to all my fellow countrymen....a Belated Happy Canada Day to my neighbors to the north

WIOSA


Sat Jul 4 2015 12:03 pm EST

TD in this past playoff series, Ward was a royal PIA. I wanted him for this playoff run. I was suggesting we go 2.5 for 2 because I cant imagine he would take less. In reality though, at his age, I was doing a "MSL" it' s this year or bust. I could be wrong..but {{shrug}}

WIOSA


Sat Jul 4 2015 12:01 pm EST

RF4L or theyre birds of a feather....

WIOSA


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:48 am EST

Joel WARD - for $3.5 million. Good luck with that Sharks. I know Hospo had a boner for this guy, but he's one season away from a buyout. The dude is a nails player, but he's on the downside of age. At 34 years and three-year contract? Good luck with that. Maybe we can pick him up for $1 million per when the sharks buy him out next summer.

tdchi


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:47 am EST

IMO it's cleat Sather received the short end of the stick in his last 4 trades. I sudpect it helped cement his decision to hand over the GM duties to Gorton. It will be really interesting to analysis Gorton's first deal. Will the pattern continue? If so it'll suggest the 4 were him. Not Ssther.

RF4L


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:37 am EST

Arc I agree with you wholeheartedly. We always act like the other teams are doing us a favor. In the MSL deal, the GM was between a rock and a hard place. MSL wanted out, he was angry, and demanded a trade to the Rangers. We came bearing gifts. Hello? With the Hags deal the Ducks GM overheard Sather say Hagelin, he said his ears instantly picked up, the Ducks needed speed and help on the PK, So why did we act like we were getting the Gem of the draft? Etem could turn out to be great, he's a project right now, yet we gave up a draft choice and Hags for him and two draft picks. I don't understand, it as the DUCKs that came to Sather, not the other way around. I hope Gorton is a bit more grounded.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:18 am EST

MF- I agree as a whole but seems like we like to deal from a perceived position of weakness (see St. Louis, talbot and hags deals). While other teams are getting great returns for their assets, we're getting what? Gags for Etem? Jeezus, I barely tolerated it when I thought it was Hags for Etem+41st pick!!! Either way, they have to fix the imbalance that exists where the 5th and 6th D are getting $10mil (we paid for that extra salary that Ari picked up). You could replace that with young serviceable guys that could provide you with 95% performance at 1/5 cost and that's the price of an elite forward!!!! I would try to trade out some D especially considering the prices that are being handed out right now for serviceable D and guys like skjei and wrath waiting in the wings

_Arc


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:08 am EST

Ranger47 - The only place I can see Lindberger help this team THIS YEAR is as a repalcement/injury sub for DOM MOORE..I wouldn't count on him for anything more..JMWO

Hospo


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:05 am EST

MF - Stepan's contract situiation, among other things, was why he was on the top of my list for the Rangers to trade this off season as they tried to get better and manage the cap.Hopefully, he at least files for arbitration

Hospo


Sat Jul 4 2015 11:01 am EST

Another Lost Opportunity: If we're going to part ways with STEPAN due to Cap$, the NY Rangers management should have had a handle on this prior to the draft....... So hypothetically, gone are Talbot, Hagelin, & now Stepan...... the return would have been way better than a bunch of 18 year old picks.......

mf


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:37 am EST

reht0ric - funny you mention that...I was thinking the same thing re: MOMESSO...I haven't seen the guy, but from the reports coming out of camp, he was one of the bright spots...Looks like he's played the bulk of his junior career in lesser leagues...and in six games in the ECHL, he didn't exactly light up the lamp...BUT...I'm a firm believer in pedigree, and he's got a good one with Serigio as his old man. I'd definitely toss him a contract and see what he can do in Hartford.

tdchi


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:37 am EST

Happy 4th Boys and girls. Hope the next few years are better than the last few for our country. And shit for brains I am didn't realize we sent a 2nd to Ducks in the Hags trade, WHICH MAKES IT AN ATROCIOUS TRADE. WTF! Get rid of a prem forechecking disrupting popular guy in the room for another ENVER FRIGGIN LISSIN. And Fishstick has the nerve to insist that this team is better today. NO FRIGGIN WAY. Sad to say we barely squeeze in to the playoffs next year. Piss poor cap management signing dredge like Boyle their dipshit fishstick! You F'd up big time. Sorry I know I'm a little late to the party

_Arc


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:33 am EST

If the Rangers are serious about playing Lindberg as 3rd or 4th line center, then seems like it would be time to trade Stephan while he could fetch a premium back. 2nd line center could be Miller or Hayes leaving enough cap room to add another big forward and/or Bozak. I like what Stephan brings, but I think we'd be better off with another big forward rather than the 1a 1b center situation we've been using - especially given Stephan's FO percentage.

Ranger47


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:31 am EST

BOZAK - Good player and if the Leafs are willing to eat $2 million in salary, then I'd happily trade a second for him...but the reality is, I doubt he's top-line center material and really, he's not as good as STEPAN or BRASSARD...certainly doesn't have the same hands...but again...if they want to eat some salary, then he'd be a great pivot for third line...MILLER-STEP-KREIDER, ZUCC-BRASS-NASH, HAYES-BOZAK-FAST, ETEM-MOORE-GLASS/LINDBERG sounds like a great four lines to me.

tdchi


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:16 am EST

I can't imagine what the NYR interest would be, who would be going back the other way or even if they're still interested, but,.... "Per CSNNE.com’s Joe Haggerty cites a league source claiming there have been discussions over the past few weeks between the Blues and both the Rangers and Flyers about Kevin Shattenkirk, and there’s a fair chance he could be on the move this summer."

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 10:05 am EST

If the leafs are determined to move him and the Rangers are "forced" to move a C like Stepan or Brass this waiting could get Bozak for less than many imagine. With little interest in him for whatever reason, they will not be able to demand anything. Offer a conditional 2nd. Rangers choose 2016 or 2017 so if their pick next year will be higher for whatever reason in '16 they can push it to '17. Or offer a 3rd and a 4th. I would think the return for Step or Brass would be massive and to a different team, don't know if the Leafs would want to pay what they would have to for one of those guys.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 4 2015 9:53 am EST

TD... What are your thoughts on Stefano Momesso? Think he has a shot at getting a contract?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 9:50 am EST

On a related note...the drunken sailor named Sweeney trying to make a legacy for himself...I wonder if he'd be dumb enough to trade Patrice BERGERON...man, would I love to have Bergy in center. He was a Gorton draft pick. Doubt the Bruins would trade him or that they'd trade him to the Rangers if they were dealing him. But its nice to fantasize.

tdchi


Sat Jul 4 2015 9:49 am EST

Jeff Beukeboom was on the Rangers Blue Line Podcast recently and spoke about Brady Skjei, saying that in the few games he played in Hartford last year “you could see the raw talent.” Beukeboom said that his skating reminds people of Ryan McDonagh’s and that you could almost think they were twins if they were on the ice at the same time. Gordie Clark said that Skjei is “going to push people” but that he may be like McDonagh and need to play half a season, or more, in the AHL.(NYR) Clark added, He said that he wouldn’t be surprised if Skjei gets called up a couple of times by the Rangers and that he has a “strong defensive game” and he will show that with his skating ability and how he reads the play.” (NYR) Skjei played top pairing minutes for Minnesota this past year and was a key penalty killer. He is a “great shutdown defenseman” and “skates like the wind.” Skjei has good vision, makes a good first pass and has the potential to put up some offensive numbers.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 4 2015 9:46 am EST

re m: FEHR - If we can land him for $1.5 million, I say go for it. I have a feeling he'd be a whipping boy here, but I like his game and if he's as good as everyone says he is at faceoffs, then sign me up...its one of the crucial places the Rangers need to improve. They actually got better in the playoffs...but if you're riding in the 40 percent range, it's still not good...and in fact, if you're looking at a place that could REALLY improve the powerplay, the faceoff circle is a great place to start. It was an area where the Rangers were constantly playing catch-up...get a powerplay...lose the face-off...you're either forced to dig it out of the corner or break out the puck again....and like I said a few days ago....any player who cleaned CROSBY'S clock the way Fehr did...even if it was unintentional...is alright by me!

tdchi


Sat Jul 4 2015 9:09 am EST

Luke ADAM isn't a game-changing signing, but it's a very good one...another that is all upside. This kid left a huge impression on me during one of the Traverse City tourneys...was like a bull in a china shop....total power forward. Not sure he'll ever bring it to the next level, but if he does, he could be very good addition...Man, would love to have him and SHEPPARD on a line together.

tdchi


Sat Jul 4 2015 8:41 am EST

And happy 4th to my American friends. Lots of buzz about heighten terrorist noise - be safe!

RF4L


Sat Jul 4 2015 8:40 am EST

JFC: I've posted a few times on here about Bozak - you must have missed them. I think he'd be a fine addition to the Rangers, albeit not really needed with the current roster, especially if the Rangers feel Lindberg is ready. However, if Gorton is pondering shopping Stepan (or Brassard) and Bozak is indeed available for a 2nd rounder, it's worth considering. Offensively I'd say Bozak is a Stepan lite, but more physical and far better in the FO circle. He's as strong 2-way as Stepan is. He's not a number 1 centre but whenever the Leafs were playing well it's because their number 1 line was, which he centered. Therefore, from that perspective, he's got enough skill to keep up. At $4,200,000 for the next 3 seasons, he's got a cap friendly contract and ideally probably what you'd like to pay your 2nd line skaters. Good attitude, too, it seems. I'm surprised, if the Leafs are actually shopping him at that rate, no one's bitten. He's well worth it IMO.

RF4L


Sat Jul 4 2015 8:09 am EST

Happy 4th to all our US Ranger fans and a BIG shout out to our armed forces around the world - stay safe, and THANKS!

Ranger47


Sat Jul 4 2015 12:00 am EST

Now THAT's a guy I think could really help the Rangers.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:46 pm EST

MF - Add to that, he only played center and took FOs the last two years..Before that was a Wing...yet he still won 52% of 900 FOs last year...Very flexible player that can play C/W,,,,,,, 2nd(in a pich) to 4th Line...fits in well with the Ranger flexible pieces..Not a bruiser but plays a solid physical game...They could do a hell of alot worse, that's for sure..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:23 pm EST

From the Hockey news: ERIC FEHR: On a good team, Fehr is a third-line center. On a bad team, he’s probably suiting up on the second unit. But regardless of where you put him, Fehr is probably going to find the back of the net at least 15 times, if not more. As a 28-year-old coming off of a one-year deal that paid him $1.5 million in Washington, there’s not much more you could ask for. He’s also coming off of a 19-goal, 33-point campaign. That Fehr doesn’t have a deal yet is likely a matter of him simply working out either term or dollars, but there’s little doubt he’ll find himself a job in the NHL for 2015-16. His one season outside of Washington – a one-year stint with the Winnipeg Jets – was not fruitful, but he’s the perfect second power play unit guy on a lot of teams in the league. He’s got size, strength and a good shot, and he won’t break the bank to bring in.

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:27 pm EST

Opps.......forgot Mr. Ryder..............

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:25 pm EST

Nice to have yet another Newfie signed with the Rangers . don't expect him to play much for us though. Just a little background for you other than his stats so far...............although he was born and raised here in NFLD & Lab, he is not a "true" Newf. His father Russ moved here after a pretty good career in the AHL and the IHL. Russ also pled 8 games with the Leafs. He came here to finish his days when we had the Baby Leafs here as an AHL franchise. Russ married a girl from here settled down and made a living doing Hockey Schools across the Province. I actually worked as a Goalie coach for those schools and knew Luke very well from ages 8-11. He always played a division ahead of his age group, he was that good. I knew he would be a big kid later on. We are all still puzzled as to why he has not made it yet in the Bigs, like Langer, Pardy, Cleary, Purcell and Clowe etc.............Maybe he can make it with us, or help the Pack ................who knows ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:00 pm EST

Doc85 et al. The issue with the contracts and salary cap is probably why they look to keep adding expansion teams. Not only do the owners get to split 500 million but the NHLPA gets to add more jobs. A system that keeps feeding itself until one day it can't. And contrary to common thought the more teams there are, the more players salaries go up. More teams bidding for the limited amount of top level players.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:35 pm EST

Rhet -- I wasn't even thinking of a trade with the Leafs involving Stepan for Bozak, but that is interesting....and yeah, i definitely agree that more would have to be coming back our way if it was a swap of centers. I was thinking about Bozak possibly doing well here because he would have good wingers.... not all at the level of Kessel, but some damn fine wingers none the less. However, I did know that he'd hardly played any PO hockey and I know RF4L has seen a whole lot of Bozak sine his household is divided :^) so I was just curious what Bozak's regular season "style" would mean for possible success in the POs.

JFC31


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:10 pm EST

In the blink of an eye ,a heartbeat, and a nyminute

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:02 pm EST

Would you trade Glass for Prust? .....Brandon Prust on being traded by Canadiens: 'I had no clue'..... http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/stats/_/id/3130/brandon-prust

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 5:14 pm EST

In regard to Bozak vs. Stepan.... .Stepan is a guy that will get his points no matter who he plays with. Bozak does not. Based on his career, he needs to play with better players to be successful. Taking that into consideration, we would need to bring back another scoring forward in a Stepan deal. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:57 pm EST

Per Kevin Kurz..... Hearing from reliable source the terms of Joel Ward’s deal are a bit lower than what’s been reported - it’s $3.25 AAV, $9.75 total #SJSharks

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:42 pm EST

Reasonable deal for WARD..WIll be a good role model for the kids out there and a good 3rd liner.A year too many? possibly, but no biggie really...MOST of the deals seem much more reasonale this year.even if cap induced from past big spenders unable to do so again..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:30 pm EST

David Pagnotta &#8207;@TheFourthPeriod 1m1 minute ago Ward's AAV is $3.275M.... Total deal is 3-year, $9.825 million.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:25 pm EST

BREAKING: #SJSharks sign unrestricted free agent forward Joel Ward to a three-year contract. http://go.sjsharks.com/P9KL6 Joel Ward

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:22 pm EST

Ward is off the board.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:20 pm EST

Ward to SJS

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:16 pm EST

JFC: Bozak at $4.2 mill seems reasonably priced.. If we were to lose Stepan, I think Bozak could be slotted in rather well and we could do a heck of a lot worse.. Bozak is also a RHS, but his best production was when on a line with Kessel... He's been with Toronto his whole career and only has 6 PO games under his belt.. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7017

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:09 pm EST

Cap hit $4.2 ....http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/tyler-bozak/

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 4:02 pm EST

Just to add...to me, Bozak for a 2nd rounder seems like a steal. What am I missing?

JFC31


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:59 pm EST

Besides I'm an American not Dutch ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:59 pm EST

RF4L -- at last year's trade deadline, I was interested in Tyler Bozak. I have a good friend from Canada who is a Leafs fan who speaks very highly of him. Being from a bi-fanial family involving the Leafs, I'm interested in you're take on how/if would fit on the Rangers. My friend says he's not afraid to go to the net and he'll work the boards pretty well too. How much do you think Bozak could add to the Rangers' deficiencies on the offensive side? Would he add an element of grit? Is he the kind of player who would fight through playoff obstruction? What kind of fit doctor think he is for,this team? If we lost Stepan and signed Bozak, what would the effect be?

JFC31


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:57 pm EST

Moof 2 things happen with old age... Maybe gorton likes blow fish ....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:54 pm EST

Stevie: Remeber Carolina's in Coney Island? The original Lundy's? Randazzo's? We should do an RFC in little Italy, I'm up for that, but we go dutch! ;-)

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:52 pm EST

E: I have posted about blown opportunities this past week or so... We traded Edmonton Talbot. We moved Hagelin anyway. Let's say we packaged Talbot, Hagelin & Klein for Eberle and a pick... Do you think they would have listened? Hagelin fills a wing position voided by Eberle and The Oilers made it public they wanted help at the goaltender & defensive positions...... I think they would have listened and that Eberle could have been a Ranger.... Now, nope.... blown opportunity........

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:52 pm EST

My thing with ROR. He is paid almost as much as Nash. Nash of late is just as good defensively but is a TON more offensive power. ROR is not special in any way...but now he is paid that way.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:47 pm EST

Moof shrimp fra diavolo ... You buying or crying ... Alligator arms ? .... Lll squeaky ? ... Be a mensch ....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:30 pm EST

SLegs: you prefer Bacalao ?

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:28 pm EST

$7.5 mill for ROR, puleeze.... They overpaid..... Hey WC: an endorsement to your prior post, look what Vermette just signed for, 2 years $3,750,000... a good deal for the Yotes IMO

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:22 pm EST

STEVIE - Perhaps Lindburger can play W but, from the games I saw of him, he does not strike me as that type of player...He's more of a heady, passing, open ice cruising player that doesn't particularly like board work...seems like a Center all the way--which he has been....MILLER, wasalso maily a center growing up and was moved to Wing by the Rangers, I think, becasue the NHL game was still a little too fast for him (mentally) and he also has the physicality for wing also...I 'm hoping this year he will be mature and ready enough for the full center challenge

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:22 pm EST

If Kreider scores 30 plus next year, we will all be thrilled. The contract thing will be dealt with thereafter.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:17 pm EST

tlats: Re Kreider next year. Don't disagree and I've been posting about that on here recently. If he has another 20 something goal season, no way. If he breaks out and scores over 30, he'll asking in that neighbourhood I bet.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:16 pm EST

Moof is gorton one of your lansmen. Mazel tov ? ... Hospo miller played wing I'm sure Limburger can play there too and both can still take faceoffs over the other centers that need a tutor .... Big Mac must be penciled in because I doubt he will clear waivers otherwise he might get traded before that....the fishermen better get his sonar tuned .... To catch more than lox and gefilte fish ...maybe a nice smoked herring ? ... Oy gevalt ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:13 pm EST

I get the annoyance with RoR but most of the reason he's able to command the money he does (besides the obvious fact that he's a good hockey player of course) is his last deal was ridiculously over inflated due to that offer sheet, which in turn, led to the decision that put him a year away from UFA. What is he going to do? Take a pay cut when it's clear there's no need to? Some team was going to pay him that, either Colorado, or a trade partner with Colorado or next summer when he hits UFA (assuming he doesn't fall off the table this year). Option 2 came a-calling. All that said, everyone recognizes the uniqueness and while his name and salary will be used as a comparison in bargaining discussions, the GM will counter with how unique it is. The Saad one, however, is tough to argue against. And if you had your choice, who would you rather have - Saad or Stepan?

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:06 pm EST

Know who had the same number of points than Step in more games? Duchesne...Brass has comparable numbers, Turris does as well. Highest pay among them 6 mil for Duchene....there are a lot of comparable to use even in arbitration. I don't think Step goes for ROR money. He likes being a Ranger

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:02 pm EST

WILD - Could Staal or Girardi gotten more elsewhere? maybe...{erhaps they and their family wanted to stay in New York for personal reason and then tried to get the very last penny and year last that Sather could give...Is that helping a team or one's self? The King got a hell of alot of money, for a long, long time...I'll give you maybe a little less dollars becasue he and his wife love New York, but that again is also a personal reason, not a helping the team reason....MCD was defientely a team friendly contract and his agent should be shot..reeks more of incompetence then "helping" a team...

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:02 pm EST

Per Chris Kuc.... Deals for Johnny Oduya and Marcus Kruger on hold while Stan Bowman works to clear cap space. Gotta wonder how long Oduya waits. #Blackhawks

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 3:00 pm EST

The NFL has contracts without guaranteed money. Teams can basically tear them up. I would like the see the NHL go the way of MLB with a Luxury Tax.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:59 pm EST

Look, the Rangers grind these guys with their bridge contracts instead of going deep with long term. When contract #3 comes up.....the players return the favor, as they should. Perhaps Step ends up elsewhere as a result. That's the new system the owners have created. Before the last contract, the cap accelerated quickly. They have successfully fixed that now too. The league will look different in the coming years. If the KHL does not fold, they will benefit as will the SEL.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:54 pm EST

HOSPO: So explain than Staal, Giradi and Hank, and more so Zucc and McD. None of those guys maxed out, McD by far tok less than he could have gone after. Staal and Giradi could have gotten more, Staal definitely more. Hank could have gone max max with another team, Zucc told his agent to just get a deal done, and took far less than he would have gotten on the market. Its not just the Rangers. There are players every year that resign and the pundits are like "wow what a great deal, (team inserted here) did a great job getting him for that much, he left money not he table." And in fact UFAs have done it as well. Boyle was offered more someplace else, Richards was offered more from the Flames from what I remember, they put being on a winning team above the cash. But with Ranger RFAs every single time lead by Brooks, they will go after the max and care little about remaining a ranger, or having a good team around them. Its all "me me me" with the Rangers RFAs and pending UFAs...yet somehow, every time, they sign for less than the fearful Brooks guesses.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:50 pm EST

thedoc85 - Yes and no, I think... the NFL has become a league of Stars and young guys/athletes from Big colleges and Bumfuck U...They last about 3-5 years....some become stars, the rest replaced by the next crop of drafted or FA kids...Hockey still has the fame system where kids can play for 3-5 years..But I think you are right about the salary structure

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:46 pm EST

Which makes what Brooks just said quite realisitic...Like what I'm hearing..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:45 pm EST

WILD - ROR and his dad did what every player or agent tries to do..Get the max....Stepan and his agent will do the same..Oh, they might trade off some dollars for years or other contract items but. make no mistake, when the players have the upper hand. 99.5% of them put the squeeze on..just like the GMs do at other times.

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:44 pm EST

Larry Brooks tweeted, “O’Reilly contract a killer for Rangers re Stepan. 2-yr arb now more likely than not with trade a possibility. 1st challenge for GM Gorton.”.... Stepan has arbitration rights and is likely to file for arbitration in the next few days.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:42 pm EST

The salary cap is not increasing at the same rate of speed as the contracts being given. At some point-----there has to be a problem. There'll be superstars and hangers-on. Mid-level guys may lose jobs. It's happened in the NFL.

thedoc85


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:28 pm EST

Don't mind guys maximizing their value. Won't mind if Stepan does either. It's part of the game. It is the reason you don't give stupid contracts to guys like Dan Boyle.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:27 pm EST

Saad at 6 per means he just set the table for Kreider after next season.

tlats


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:26 pm EST

RF4L: That is still completely reliant on Stepan not caring if he plays for the Rangers or if they have a competitive team. If those things are important he will not be trying to max out. He is NOT ROR and his dad who are proving to be money hungry. ROR was rumored to be looking for 8 per for a max 7 years. Everyone expected him to be 7+ mil per for 7 years. The fact he got what everyone was thinking will not change how Stepan negotiates. This was the worst kept secret on the planet. Saad being at 6 is a bit higher than I imagined, I thought 5-5.5 for him long term so that one might skew things a bit, but ROR is in a class of selfish prick all his own.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:24 pm EST

Crazy contracts for saad and oreiilly -paying for and hoping the potential is not only realized but surpassed by far. Step and Kreider will get same or more somewhere soon

jim9k26


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:24 pm EST

That's ridiculous money for Ryan O'Reilly. See why GMs and owners loath the offer sheet? Nothing but pluses for the NHLPA side whenever one occurs, even if/when the team matches it. No wonder we see so few of them.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:21 pm EST

Not that I believed it in the first place, but given these 2 signings, I gotta believe it's not if Stepan will get $6,000,000 but how much higher than that will he be seeking now. Dithering on this signing could end up costing the team more....

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:21 pm EST

Ryan O'Reilly is one of 4 players with a $7.5M cap hit next season. (Datsyuk, Spezza, Stamkos)Ryan O'Reilly is one of 4 players with a $7.5M cap hit next season. (Datsyuk, Spezza, Stamkos).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:20 pm EST

Jackets extend new addition Saad for six years, $6 Mil per....Per Elliotte Friedman..... One note on Saad: haven't been able to confirm through team or agent, but word from other GMs was CHI's top offer was $5M AAV.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:19 pm EST

It was the only way to get a long term offer. He was going to take the offer or sign longer term for more. He held the AVS over the barrel and it has helped him get this deal....

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:18 pm EST

RHET - ANother reason to trade the guy!

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:09 pm EST

Wild... You only hope so. The AV's didn't match his offer sheet, they tore up and gave him more money.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:04 pm EST

Rhet: RORs money is skewed because hunted a raise off an offer sheet.....if an agent tries to use his numbers the Rangers will counter with 5 others that make less.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:03 pm EST

ROR...There were rumors this would be done today. This puts a HUGE wrench in getting Stepan's deal done. Crazy money for this kid that has similar numbers to Step. I warned about getting Stepan's deal done first.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:02 pm EST

someone else on twitter said it looks like escrow protection....wonder if there will be a rule soon to avoid that type of thing

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 2:00 pm EST

WTF...O'Reilly signed with BUF 7 years 7.5 per. but this -----> ROR contract very interesting. Salary is $1M per year. Rest is signing bonus: 10, 8, 7.5, 5, 5, 5 and 5.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:54 pm EST

MF... Of course my math was off, I was using your numbers for next season :) ...$9.5 Mil this season is low ball. Despite what Brooks thinks, you're not getting Miller, Fast, Etem and Lindberg all to take their qualifying offers as their salary this season. It will never happen(sorry Larry) Also, I want to go for it every year, not just this season and good cap management is key. IMO, If you want a forward you need to move Klein. I also can't see Boyle bringing back more than a pick/prospect.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:47 pm EST

I see no reason for Edmonton to move him in the least. Why?

E


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:41 pm EST

Hospo, are you reading the Investor's Business Daily again? ;-)

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:40 pm EST

Don't know much about Lindberg, but if he or Miller & Boyle & something can fetch us a Draisaitl or a top six forward, we need upper tier talent... A sniper or a finisher.... jmho snatcherally

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:34 pm EST

MF - Which means you get rid of him BEFORE he breaks down and his value goes to zero..:)..But serioeuly, I have no problem with DOM MOORE as the 4th line C until he can't do it...Then it's Lindy's turn..as a start

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:32 pm EST

BOB - I too am not positive MILLER can handle center full time but, it's time to give him the shot and it fits the teem better with his physical talents..I know, his brain farts..but...

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:32 pm EST

re: D.Moore: you keep riding him until he breaks down, then you cut bait.... It's like holding a winning stock

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:30 pm EST

BOB - and looking at Moore..The guy is 35 but, amzingly, hasn't played less than 70 games a season (regular) in the last 7 years (I know he took a year off). That's pretty damn durable..Does he just keep rolling along or does his body finally starts feeling it and/or the law of averages catches up to him with injureis..Me think Lindberger will get some chances, but only after or if Moore gets hurt

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:26 pm EST

Mr. Gorton, how we doing with that list of teams that Dan Boyle will accept a trade to? Hey Brooksie, how about delivering the message to our new GM, and through a little StevieLegs "cryptology" in your next NY Post article that you delivered the message? :-) thanks Larry

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:25 pm EST

HOSPO--OK. I have not seen the guy play at all, ever. I also like Miller at Center, but not positive he can handle it. Jarrett Stoll is still out there. The Kings were not going to re-sign him anyway. Great on face offs, has a real good shot and still can skate. Heck, he will bring the coke and ecstasy too. And Erin will be showing up at the Garden. We have needed a replacement for Carol Alt for quite awhile.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:24 pm EST

MF _ I know, just busting your chops....

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:23 pm EST

Rhet: my math was/is off but not by that much: I figured $9.5mill to sign those guys, and while true we need to resign a 7th Dman, & backup goalie; we can replace Glass & Moore at $250K-$500K each.... and I believe that you're over estimating what it will take to sign Yandle, CK, & Hayes.... Bottom line, if someone needs to be moved next year to deal with the situation, so be it.... We need to make it back to the Cup finals this year... Losing a guy along the journey is part of the business........ And Hospo, I only cast 1 CJC vote for Stewart, I did not vote on behalf of the entire clueless bunch! ;-)

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:17 pm EST

Bob - Lindberger is a Center, plain and a simple..At best a Substitue for Moore this year, nothing else..I see him starting in Hartford..Just becasue he's mastered the AHL, doesn't mean he's ready for the NHL yet

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:17 pm EST

Folks: invest 8:40 of your lives & watch these highlights.... IMO, this is a guy we need.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UN_NNzmqg

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:16 pm EST

MF... Your math is off. For arguments sake say we re-sign all of our remaining RFA's at $10Mil. That's another $10 Mil off next years cap which leaves us with approx. $15 Mil to sign Yandle, Hayes, Kreider and roster replacements for Boyle, Diez, Stalberg and Moore. It does not fit ....WILD... I would take a chance on Andrei Kostitsyn or maybe even try to sign Semin to a 1-year $1 Mil deal. Best, cheapest way to try to upgrade our scoring on the 3rd line ...Hospo... Through seven games against the Lightning we scored 21 goals. The Blackhawks scored only 13 goals in beating Tampa in 6 games. JMO, but I don't think a lack of offense was our problem.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:15 pm EST

One thing to remember about MILLEE, hes is the best FO man on the team (where Stepn and Hayes SUCK and BRass may only be average, and Do Moore is about on schedule to break down---ask Nick).but, go ahead, keep him at wing for Hayes and his 34% winning percentage...MILLER should be ready this year for full time center duty..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:13 pm EST

Hospo: T.Glass career stats: This is why I want him gone.. I feel we can get what he brings plus 2 - 3 times the point production for the same money. As in Sheppard..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3912

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:12 pm EST

Does Lindberg have the ability to play on the 3rd line? Moore on the 3rd is not ideal.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:11 pm EST

WILD - Hey, cool, I don't ...only the future will tell....Brass-Step-Moore-Lindberger down the Middle? Damn, do we disagree on things!..That's horrible..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:11 pm EST

Washington has made some good changes, especially since the Rangers really had no business beating them this year. I believe they have improved. The Islanders will be better. Columbus will be better. Hopefully, Gorton can come up with something tha will make the Rangers better. There is plenty of time.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:07 pm EST

Hospo: Have always that that idea is baseless....that you can't win a cup with Nash and Stepan. There is no reason to think they can't. All the teams that have made it to the conference finals the last few years could have won the cup that year. As for Miller at Center. I have a very hard time seeing that happening. AV and Miller both talked about how much better he is/feels on wing vs center. I think if Hayes is moved to RW they will have Zucc, Hayes, Miller and Fast on RW and Nash, Kreider, Etem and Glass on LW with Stahlberg as the spare. Centers would be Brass, Step, Moore and Lindberg. Again, thats just going off what has been said over and over by the team....even Hayes at wing seems a long shot the way they talk about Hayes and his size at center.....

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 1:02 pm EST

Brodziak to the Blues..St. Louis and Wash seem to be two teams really chganging it up for next year..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:44 pm EST

RHET - I too expect HAYES at RW with BRASS-STEP-MILLER-MOORE down the middle....Again leaving Lindberger out.......as for any other moves, Do anythig you want, but as long as NASH and STEPAN are the offensvie leaders of the team, you ain't winning a CUP

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:43 pm EST

Would anyone do Kostitsyn for 1 year at a low rate...sat 750k? He says he wants a chance at the NHL again. Worst is you send him down or trade him for a 7th rounder if he doesn't work out. Best case he is still a 50 point guy who helps out or is really valuable at the deadline. I would...I mean if he will come that cheap why not?

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:21 pm EST

Rhet: It will be tight, but perhaps not as tight as this year. If Yandle commands $6mill, Kreider $3.5-4, Hayes $3.5-4, and the forward we acquire this year $5.8.... We're approx $3mill ove cap....DMoore drops off, replace Glass & save $450K, include some prospect with Boyle this year and get the other team to eat $500K-$1mill in salary coming back..... We'll make it work & worry about it then.... We got a Cup to Win bud! :-)

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:17 pm EST

Wild... I've seen speculation(and only speculation) that by next season our 3rd line defensive pairing will be MCI and Skjei. Maybe we deal Klein after the summer for a pick and MCI takes over, then Skjei get's called up for the playoffs and takes over for Boyle when his contract ends. Then we could also sign Semin to be a disaster on our 3rd line :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:07 pm EST

Ah, Mr. Gorton, while you're at it, perhaps you can trade Ole Danny boy to the Kings or any other franchise in a deal for a forward... Edmonton has 1 or 2 that I'm interested in..... Thanks & Mazel Tov on the promotion...

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:03 pm EST

WIOSA: Actually, I have only seen one time that Skjei was talked about being up next year, and they have said it as most likely mid season. McIlrath they have talked about as being NHL ready. I don't think its clear who they see as being higher on the list. Add to that, AV sees a L and a R D as separate positions....so in the Rangers eyes currently those two are on separate depth charts. One making it doesn't mean the other will not.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 12:02 pm EST

MF.... If you deal Boyle and replace his cap hit with a forward, you are basically saying goodbye to Keith Yandle. Boyle's cap hit will be needed to re-sign Yandle and one of either Kreider or Hayes. We don't yet know how much the cap will increase next season. I don't think Boyle goes unless it's to make room for a kid. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:57 am EST

Dear Mr. Gorton, Congratulations are in order on your promotion.... Now, how about looking into the following in no particular order: 1) whether Dan Boyle will accept a trade to the L.A. Kings 2) whether the Kings are interested in trading Voynov for Boyle 3) whether we can then bury Voynov in the AHL and not have his salary count against our cap since it's not a 35 & older contract..... "IF" this is possible, "Voila" Girardi, McD, Staal, Klein, Yandle, McIlrath, Diaz on the Defense, and "Voila," ... $4.5 million in manufactured Cap space..... Let Voynov play himself into game shape in the AHL after prison, and compete for a roster spot for next season, or trade him, or etc..... (Perhaps both teams will have some motivation to do this. The L.A. Kings have to show they are proactive when it comes to womens rights. They are on the heels of the Mike Richards fiasco & buyout…. The Rangers need the Cap room and they can bury Voynov in a place with minimal exposure… Voynov playing himself back into shape and missing a new full season after a short prison term & community service may be viewed as ample punishment by the public, and there’s no guarantees that he’d wind up with us on the bright lights of Broadway) ……. We move Boyle, we can buy a forward…..

mf


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:52 am EST

WIOSA.... That would not shock me. Anyone associated with the team seems to talk about Skjei more often than the ever do about MCI. Also, the NYR are supposed to still be very interested in former NYI defensive prospect Robbie Russo(also a Right-Handed shot). He will be a Free Agent in August.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:47 am EST

Hospo....I see Hayes moving up to Stepan's line. IMO, He looked best in the playoffs on the wing ....RF4L... It's very possible that the NYR brass wants to get a look at MCI in camp before they move Klein in order to make room. Gorton will also look to make his mark on this team. Maybe he pulls off his first Post-Sather trade this summer. IMO, Sather did him a huge solid by sticking around for the Talbot/Hagelin deals. It would have been a horrible way to start off his tenure as GM(though I expect he would have done a much better job).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:44 am EST

WIOSA - If that's true, and I have no clue, they should have packaged McI with guys like Hags, Talbot or whatever to add to a trade and get a better return...By almost every account I have read, this SKEJY character is not ready yet...and ther sure ain't room for him anyway as things stand

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:40 am EST

RHETT/RF4L, for some reason, the Rangers do not seem too optimistic about bringing up Mcillrath, they seem - if videos, articles and interviews are any indication - to be pushing B Skjei instead. I would not be surprised to see him come up and not McIllrath. Not sure, of course, but he always seems to be the odd man out.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:32 am EST

RF4L - But, I do like the defense alot even with Boyle and, likely, without McI.There aren't many groups better in the NHL

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:30 am EST

RF4L - Totally agree with that last quick summary,....

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:29 am EST

RHET - Lookin at the roster, Like I said, without MZA, this forward group is up a creek without a paddle... Pray for Zucc's Noggin every night....Stalberg and etem the 10th-11th forwards...Too bad the only player worth anything from Hartford (LINDBERGER) ain't a winger..No place for him...Should be good injury insurance though..

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:26 am EST

I think Adams will be the guy who when the Rangers need a call up for a road trip because they have a F injured and the flu is going around. They will call him up in case they need him to play a game or two on the 4th line, and they wont want to call up a kid like Tambalini to sit in the stands or play 8 min in a game vs playing 16-17 or more minutes in the AHL.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:24 am EST

Rhet: Competitive and top 8 in east. But grit issue remains unaddressed (with that lineup) both on the forward and backlines and IMO, they need another legitimate top 6 forward. McI remains, based on this, on the outside looking in.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:23 am EST

Have to agree that Chicago seems to have it down. Now, the foundation is having Kane, Toews and Keith, but they have managed the cap very well and are flush with talent.

Bob


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:17 am EST

Stevie... This is the team right now, barring any trades ....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm .... MSL of course retired and I would've preferred Sheppard over Stalberg. Better yet, keep Sheppard over Glass.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:09 am EST

RF4L: you assume they wanted to fit Hags with any amount of cap this year for what he might get. Again. Teams have numbers for players, they know they feel a guy is worth 2 mil or 3 mil or 6 mil per. Regardless of their cap space they may not sign a 2 mil guy for 2.25 or 2.5and move him than replace him with a guy they like at the number they can get him. Because it's not just now try need to be concerned with its later down the line.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:02 am EST

Gotta figure if Adam can't make the lowly Sabres, he's signed for Hartford. Probably to replace Chris Bourque....

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 11:01 am EST

WIld: The Saad move was the same as the Hags move - rumours say that Saad was going to ask for $6,000,000 something the Hawks, like the Rangers with the expectations of where Hagelin's salary would go, couldn't do. Instead, the moved him for a couple of players including AA who they immediately resigned at a cap this season of $3,200,000 (goes up past $4,000,000 next year when, I assume, the Hawks are hoping the cap does, too). Now add in Dano at $1,000,000 and that's what they were prepared to offer Saad on a bridge deal. Hawks are a model run franchise (IMO) when it comes to combining cap management with winning. The Rangers did something similar with Hags. Wasn't wrong. As stevie says, tough to gauge now without seeing EE and having to wait on Gropp. I wish something different had been done for cap relief, but at this point I certainly don't consider that a bad trade (re Rangers weren't fleeced).

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:54 am EST

rhet you think these 23 are the roster? ....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:51 am EST

Dear Jeff Gorton: Chicago's got Tikhonov at $1.04M, Dano at $925K, Teuvo at $894K, Desjardins at $800K, Panarin at $812K all signed. Who have we signed?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:45 am EST

Stevie: nothing on Shep yet. I'm not so sure it was AV not liking him BTW. Shep himself said he was having a tough time learning how to play in the system and he couldn't just act and react he had to think a lot. AV said something similar. I think if he did sign and had a full camp AV would use him more.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:44 am EST

Stevie.... We have $10.8 Mil left without them and Stepan, Etem, Miller and Fast left to be signed. How could we possibly fit them? Also, when was the last time an NHL team carried 25-26 players? ....Hospo... I'm expecting Lindberg to make the team.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:34 am EST

I'm so sorry guys - I scrolled down and saw you had this earlier. I'm like the Steve Zipay of the wall.

DREW


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:33 am EST

did shepherd get signed by any team ? ....I'm not sure what veenknow's problem with him was, but I liked how he played the game.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:31 am EST

rhet when they are assigned to the ahl that will be the facts...so far I don't know what the October roster is or what the cap number is.....wish they could have kept hagelin ....hopefully they have added size and grit.....finesse doesn't win the cup.....but he played his role pretty good....that has to be replaced along with msl's....who those 2 spots get filled by is up in the air right now......

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:31 am EST

Rangers signed F Luke Adam today (formerly of Buffalo's system)

DREW


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:27 am EST

Rhet - Ditto

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:27 am EST

WILD - Thanks...But anything with the Brain/head is tricky....Let's keep the fingers crossed

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:26 am EST

Hospo... Zuccarello Suffered Skull Fracture, Brain Contusion.... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444991-mats-zuccarello-injury-updates-on-rangers-stars-upper-body-and-return

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:26 am EST

RHET - you look at the team that finished the year and what we have so far...and you had MSL/Hags/Shep (kinda)..in the TOP 12..Right now the replacements are MZA/Stalberg/ETem which still leaves Glass as #12!!! ...

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:22 am EST

Hospo: it was a brain contusion. And he did play his charity game so that's good. Also I read something that the doctors told him that in August save anything odd he will (or should) be 100% and able to take full contact and the like. So as of last reports (2-3 weeks ago) he will be just fine for camp.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:14 am EST

I look at the Ranger forwards as is, and the biggest key by far to me is the health of MZA...Now, I don't see a Cup winner by any stretch but He returns, they will be OK..He doesn't, they are, IMWO, in big trouble....even if youngsters improve.......So my question again , is, has anybody heard anything on Zucc's injuries...Is he fine to go? Was it Jaw or concussion or both?

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:14 am EST

Hospo... I would like to believe that he was signed to play top 12 and Glass is the 13th forward :) Anyway, if he makes the team, it will be because he beat out someone.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:12 am EST

Stevie... They were signed as AHL depth, none of them count against the cap. It would not have helped us with Hags ....WIOSA.... In regard to Ward: I am just relieved. Sather would have dumped Klein just so he could sign him :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:05 am EST

RHET - Maybe you're right or Another way to look at it is Stalberg was signed for a Top 12 spot plain and simple...Whether the Rangers find out in camp or during the season how worthless he is, will determine when he becomes "depth"...

Hospo


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:04 am EST

rhet they have signed more than that. when it all shakes out, maybe...or maybe not.....I would have kept him but I'm not the gm......when the roster is set and the cap number with it, the cushion or no cushion will be revealed....long way to go until October......

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:03 am EST

Per Seth Rothman... $10.8M left, with Stepan, Miller, Fast, Etem still to be signed. That'll probably leave them with ~$1M or so.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 10:00 am EST

Rhett, figured that, it was a pipe dream anyroad. (Ward)

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:58 am EST

Rhett, more gambling. If they had kept him, and an affordable winger came up thru trade/FA then we would've been kicking ourselves. BUT the Rangers really didn't even look they started signing these FA's right away..so it does remain a mystery. If you knew there was nobody out there you could afford, then yeah, by all means keep Hags. JMHO

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:58 am EST

&#8207;@NHLRumorsDaily ..... NYR are out on Joel Ward

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:57 am EST

rumors saying Rangers are OUT on Ward

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:55 am EST

Clark on Huska. Said they were NOT thinking of taking a G but they had him rated high on their G list, so when he was still there in the 7th round they grabbed him. Usually I think "yeah yeah, of course you had him rated high" but as goalies go, with the goalie guru they have and has impute it makes me interested in seeing how he develops. The Rangers seem to have done well with goalies, Hank of course, Talbot, Skapski seemingly, Halverson (40-5 is no joke no matter the level) and the Russian kid Shesterkin who I think from what I have read is a homer or a strike out but nothing in-between. Anyway, when the Rangers say a goalie has good stuff I tend to believe it.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:52 am EST

Stevie... We signed a 13th forward and a 7th D. Should we have forgone depth and a cap cushion to keep Hagelin?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:48 am EST

BTW, Luke Adam is a former highly-regarded prospect of the Sabres. He is AHL depth.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:46 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/luke-adam

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:42 am EST

NYR have signed Luke Adam.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:41 am EST

watching the live stream of the prospect scrimmage. That Huska kid in net really is tall, his waist is at the crossbar....long long legs....scary tall almost. Rangers sign Luke Adam

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:35 am EST

Stevie: That right there is why its possible that the Rangers value him differently than many fans, or maybe other teams. They after all know him best. Or they have it totally wrong and undervalue him. But even if he could have fit before they may have seen him as a lowe cap player than he will turn out.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:24 am EST

when the final cap numbers shake out , hagelin might have fit considering the guys the just signed. water under the bridge now.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:18 am EST

With Hags. Well of course it was a cap move. But what type? There is the "we can't afford you" cap move like that of Saad. There is also the cap move "we don't want you at that price". Hags could have been either or even both. The Rangers may feel he is a 3-3.25 mil per player max and felt he would get more so they decided instead of trying to force him lower or go higher that moving him was the best. Or they thought they just couldn't fit him and think he is a 3.75-4 per guy and didn't want to insult him with a 3 per offer. Both are very possible.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:15 am EST

wiosa like jimmy Durante ' everybody wants to get into the act'......veenknow has been skating under the radar without a cup.....sort of like Sather's last 15 years.....they try to wear Teflon suits......Gorton fisherman's better be waterproof.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:07 am EST

Steve sorry should've been clearer. I was picking up on something you were saying about the Responsibility for the choices made ....clearly not us fans. There is an old expression in business on responsibility " Success has a million fathers, failure is an orphan". Everybody wants to claim responsibility for the ideas that netted you the cup, nobody wants to claim the responsibility for the ideas if it blows up.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:03 am EST

wiosa the nyr failures have not been orphans, millions of fans have taken the plunge with them.

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 9:01 am EST

Vic the deal was the deal. You can't pick the parts. Everyone knows that Hagelin was a cap dump, and a trade with picks for eatit and and the pick of Gropp. how those 2 turn out vs hagelin and the picks for them do will determine how the trade was. just like the msl trade has and will.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:56 am EST

RF4L: at the time I thought that pick a conditional second that became a first with a SCF appearance should have been with a SCF victory. That I would have been ok with.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:52 am EST

RF4L, I too feel it was a cap dump, but that idea gets resistance around here, so I keep it open. As for Sather, wonder if he's going to be the Lou Lamorella of the Rangers? Was this draft his or Gortons? I cant imagine Gorton not knowing at draft time that he was being given the torch right after the draft, so wouldn't he want to have some say as to who is making up his team for the next 3 years? Cant imagine Sather saying 'Heres your new guys, tough shite if you don't like them". unless, he's being the Lamorello of the Rangers....SteveLegs...Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:49 am EST

STEVIE: Actually it was HAGS, the 59th pick and the 179th pick for EATME and the 41st pick. So, it really was a HAGS for EATME swap as the 59th and 179th picks should have landed the 41st pick separately.

Vic


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:30 am EST

Rf4l the new gm's job ,who was the asst , is to improve the nyr. Which means they should win the pres trophy and get to the finals. If he doesn't accomplish that next season he made the wrong moves. His rope is about 9 months. Good luck to him. There are no excuses.... Improve or fail...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:25 am EST

I love this team, always have. The last three years have been such a joy after the early dark years of Sather. I hate that we traded away two top speed guys in DuClair and Hags within a few months. I was excited about the pace with which this team plays and i thought Hags, Duke and Kreider would be hard to deal with on separate lines. Oh well, I hope Gorton is as smart as he thinks he is. I will watch and wait with morbid curiosity as we move into this new era. Enjoy your summer. I'm off to play some golf! Maybe i'll see some of the boys out there too!

DCIGolfer


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:19 am EST

stevie: How long either last remains to be seen and of course, is based on how the team does (or should).

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:17 am EST

BTW, can anyone explain why the Blues sought out size and physicality in trading Oshie? Isn't their problem a lack of sustained offense? Didn't they simply to their strength (size, forechecking, etc) with this trade and further compound their weaknesses? What am I missing? Except, perhaps, continued mediocre GMing........

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 8:13 am EST

Try to remember Hagelin trade wasn't straight up for eatit , they got a pick so many want who supposed to be a top pick according to Clarke . .... The guys gorton fisherman just signed better pan out since it wasn't trades. I assume he has done his homework and targeted these guys not just dumpster dived because of the cap. If not it would be better to have that space in case a deal comes up between now and the deadline. Try to remember all of these ingredients in next year's playoffs and how the nyr do. Just blaming Nash or Msl is the easy way out. Management and coaching decisions are a big factor in the results on the ice. It's not just the players. Success everyone gets credit. The same should be for failure's blame. And you don't have sather to kick around anymore after 10 years pass and all his moves are gone. It's all on gorton's shrugging shoulders now . How long will he last ? And Veenknow under him ?

stevielegs


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:45 am EST

Wild: True. It's truly subjective in part because MSL did play a significant role in last year's deep run. On the other hand, however, it's easier to overcome trading away 1 second vs 2 firsts. For me, it's the 2nd first that blows me away. Totally unnecessary and I cannot believe if Sather had stood his ground, he'd have gotten Yzerman to agree to something like Cally and last year's first for MSL. I think just like on the draft floor last week, Sather got fleeced. It's a good thing he's retired.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:42 am EST

WIOSA: The only reason I see trading away a vet for prospects is to free up cap space at this point in time. The core of what got this team to 2 deep PO runs is still very intact. The dilemma is this: Is it enough? It's not been so far and one could argue with the subtraction of Hags, the team is a little less than what it was. That said, they did get to within a game of the cup final without one of their main offensive cogs. It's reasonable to project a healthy MZA would have been enough to get them to the finals. However, it's also reasonable to expect injuries to play a role in every PO.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:41 am EST

RF4L: you could argue the Clowe trade was worse for Sather. I'd rather give up a 1st and get something positive than give up a 2nd and get nothing at all.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:38 am EST

I'd take Fehr at a good price. Big, will hit and can score.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:38 am EST

Bob: What's EE's shot like? Can he stickhandle? He must have some offensive skills - you don't fluke into 61 goals in 65 games, even if it's at the junior level.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:37 am EST

NYStranger...Could be. However, we all know the Rangers (like many teams, including Chicago) gambled. They were close to winning it all, needed some "loaners" (win me a cup this year) to cross the finish line and went for it. Difference is, Chicago it was a success, in NY it was thisclosebutnocigar. So the decision is, do we try again while this window is open (the attraction of Stewart, Fehr, Ward etc) or do we rebuild? NY is obviously going for it again. This is why trading away productive players for projects is frustrating, it makes no sense.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:36 am EST

Rhet: Yeah, I see your point. And those 2 trades aren't dissimilar and they're both terrible ones. At least MSL helped the Rangers get to the final 2 springs ago - the Islanders got nothing out of their trade.

RF4L


Fri Jul 3 2015 7:31 am EST

Hey Chicago after their 1st Cup a few years ago had to dismantle what looked to be quite a powerhouse of a team and made some tough decisions. Tough trades because of the cap. They may have been better off because they have won two more Cups. So who knows maybe the Ranger learn some hard lessons and do a better job of cap management moving forward. Maybe they will stop holding on to overpaid veteran non-playoff performers, eh, ehm...nash, eh, ehm. And adjust of the fly better now that the dinosaur has moved aside.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 3 2015 5:28 am EST

Vic youre raining on my parade! Of course it's a fools' parade, as I stated, if Ward was willing to go 2 for 2 the Caps would've signed him themselves. Sigh...one can dream.,,,,As for Etem, yes, we are in agreement, and it's really not hard to understand. If Etem is not instant gratification, then this deal was not good for us. So why would the Rangers make a deal that does not benefit us in our cup run this year? Money...pure and simple. It was to accommodate a Cap Crunch, which, for some reason, many do not want to accept. Not sure why.

WIOSA


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:45 pm EST

NICK: No, I have not seen him but the evidence strongly suggests that he isn't the player that HAGS is because Anaheim wanted HAGS at significantly more money then they wanted EATME. BOB: You summed it up at the end of your post....."he has the skills to be a top 9". That says it all. It says that he has the potential but he isn't a consistent top 9 guy right now. And HAGS is. He is a top 9 offensively and he is a top tier defensive player in this league. He is one of the best defensive players in this league. And his speed and quickness are a disruptive force on the forecheck. That isn't just me saying that. That is GMs around the league.

Vic


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:26 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M60v27E_-uE

Bob


Thu Jul 2 2015 11:23 pm EST

Hey VIC--I am no scout for sure. However, I have seen the guy play in most of his games in Anaheim over the past few years. He has bulk and hands that Hags could only dream of. He is not as fast as Hags. Nobody is as fast as Hags. But he is not slow. He can play on the PK, he or Stalberg will be on the 3rd and 4th lines, we will see which. At worst he is a 4th liner, at best he is Hags replacement. If the guy could gain some confidence.....he has the skills to be a top 9. The question is whether this is a check up from the neck up situation.

Bob


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