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Mon Jul 25 2016 8:40 am EST

Former Blackhawk Kris Versteeg has signed a 1 year deal in Switzerland with SC Bern.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 25 2016 8:38 am EST

....just read the rest of your post....that would be a very low risk investment. Something Gordon should definitely pursue.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 25 2016 8:36 am EST

...tdchi....

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 25 2016 8:36 am EST

tech.....Haggerty was a kid I really liked. Wonder if we can get him back?

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 25 2016 7:46 am EST

FWIW, Haggerty WAS a very nice little signing, since he did retrieve us a very good, serviceable backup for three seasons...He was a legit prospect though...Seen plenty of him in the NCAA and the guy had a real nice release and very good foot speed...had a large upside and I still think he has NHL potential. He had a long-term injury with Rockford and never seemed to slide into a groove there. Not to mention, the depth chart Chicago has up front is ridiculous. You know if they're giving away a guy like Teravainen, there ain't much chance for someone like Haggerty. Last year was supposed to be his break-out year and instead he spent much of it on the IR. I suspect the Hawks not tendering him QO is in part to give the kid a chance to sign with a team where he has a path to the NHL. I would certainly sign him to an AHL contract. With a little polish, he could be a nice add to a third or forth line.

tdchi


Mon Jul 25 2016 7:17 am EST

rf73 so sather has to go there to steal the car with the cup ?

stevielegs


Mon Jul 25 2016 4:19 am EST

Stanley Cup to go on display next to Stanley family car....http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/07/22/stanley-cup-to-go-on-display-next-to-stanley-family-car/

RF73


Mon Jul 25 2016 2:31 am EST

The Chicago Blackhawks did mot extend qualifying offer's to Mathieu Brisebois, Matt Fraser, Garrett Ross or Ryan Haggerty. All became unrestricted free agents on July 1.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 24 2016 10:47 pm EST

Sather BTW sucks.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 10:45 pm EST

Haggerty: Looks like he played for Chicago's AHL affiliate Rockford last season.. The Hockey News has him listed as an UFA & unsigned, Hockeybuzz has him listed as an RFA, & NHLNumbers.com has him listed as an UFA & unsigned.... http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/CHI?year=2017

mf


Sun Jul 24 2016 10:31 pm EST

Haggerty, who was one of the crown jewels amongst a bevy of unrestricted collegiate free agents Sather signed to compensate for his idiotic practice of offering up high draft picks as he recklessly sought to reaffirm a reputation, right or wrong, forged 20+ years ago, was used to acquire the rights to Anti Raanta.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 8:37 pm EST

Didn't Haggerty sail off to Chicago?

E


Sun Jul 24 2016 8:12 pm EST

Tommy Hughes and Marek Hrivik were arbitration eligible but did not file. BTW, are you only allowed to eat carbs when you're carb eligible.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:50 pm EST

Rhet: From what I saw he was not carb eligible. I also early on read something that the Rangers wanted to sign him a little longer term than an one year qualifier, but since he wasn't carb eligible and not a likely offer sheet candidate, he was basically put on the back burner. Likely his agent also has players like him on the back burner. They have deals to make with deadlines and UFAs who are talking with teams, worst case is they sign the QA and play out the year, so there is no hurry from any side of the negotiations. I would expect once the arbitration season is over, and the Rangers feel they don't have anything else going on trade wise, he will be dealt with.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:46 pm EST

Anyone hear anything on Marek Hrivik? We gave him a Qualifier and he didn't file for Salary Arbitration so his options are pretty limited, I'm a little surprised he hasn't signed yet. When he does sign, we will have 44 players under contract.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:46 pm EST

MF.... You can't just look at this season. This season they also need to sign Nesterov. Next year Tampa needs to give raises to Palat, Johnson and Sustr, re-sign Boyle and lock up Drouin long term. Money will be spread pretty thin for Tampa.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:41 pm EST

_Arc: the AVS don't have anyone at all...I mean, the rangers have Buch (he is still a prospect) and Gropp, Tambilini (yes the WHO had leaders with 120 points, but they tend to be the very top guys) but Gropp was 34th in scoring...34th...only 33 players had more points than him ay 70, Only 15 had more than 80 points, 9 with more than 90, and 5 with 100 or more. SO lets dispense with the 120 points BS (1 player had 120 that was the highest last season) SO a top 50 scorer in a very good junior league...but that means nothing at all. Tambellini was 4th in goals in the WHL and 10th in points his last year...but lets pretend he is nothing, and his trajectory is down based on his very good last junior year (send junior year he only played 2) and an AHL season at about half a point per game as a pure rookie.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:35 pm EST

_Archole - sho? nah, I like hanging around so I can get you and that wet fart you call a brain going. Your a dumbass. You've never seen any of their prospects play, which is painfully evident from the verbal diarrhea dribbling from you keyboard. For f's sake you still think Haggerty is on the team, which shows about how close you pay attention to them. Now I know the islander fan sites are slow now, which frees you up plenty of time to post here. Keep it up! I enjoy pointing out how much of a box of tools you are. GFYS! ;)

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:28 pm EST

Wild - this clown hasn't seen any of those guys play. Like I said, don't waste your time. Your basically arguing with a turnip.

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:25 pm EST

Oh I didn't realize the Rangers required Haggerty and Bourque...

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:06 pm EST

Agree to disagree. Not saying they are same player just that same tier prospect. We'l have to come back to it a couple years from now. I used to be like you in my younger days but over the years kinda have figured out that we tend to drastically overvalue our prospects and like it or not most of them (save for a very special few) don't amount to much. Either way, If gropp is the best we can come up with I don't see how you can say the we are better than anyone else as far as prospects go).

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 7:00 pm EST

Wild- in the WHL!!!! Where the leader had like 120 pts (if that's what we're using as relavamt parameter). I'm not sure where group landed in that list but he has a ways to go before he's considered an 'a' level prospect in my book.

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 6:58 pm EST

and just the fact that you have Fogerty and Tamballini as interchangeable. They are completely different players. AND Tambalini had almost the same number of points at the AHL level as Bourque had in his best year in just is first AHL action. SO tell me again how you list them all together? It seems you are TRYING and working your hardest to make the Rangers system look worser than it is. Come on now. Trajectory? Tamballini doubled his point pit put from year 1 to years 2. and than had a really good rookie pro season at 20-21 years old. And you have him written off as a the same as a careen AHLer.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 6:52 pm EST

Ahhhh why so obsessive Holmes? Didn't work with the ladies huh. Stop it tho; I don't bend that way. So Go away now. Shooooo. (Must've hit a nerve eh little guy). I don't think it was bad advice. He must have a shitload of acne.

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 6:52 pm EST

_Arc: 34g 36a for 70p in 66 games in the regular season and 6g 3a for 9 points in 11 playoffs games. If thats what he does dealing with injuries. Thats also a 12 point improvement over the previous regular season.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 6:46 pm EST

Wild- none of us really know for sure but from what I've seen and some other respected sources we can presume based on the trajectory. For instance Gropp has not really put it together. Granted he was injured much of the year and he may still put it together but I'm not particularly convinced. He was always a boom or bust and so far he's leaning towards bust. Tambellini/ fog arty/ haggerty/ Borque were interchangeable and I don't think much will come of any of them. I actually like this kid Jenson a good bit but again a bottom six. I like the Z trade and think Fishboy did pretty good there. But with Girardi/ Staal on the decline and McD not performing to standards with the injuries etc it's still going to be a borderline playoff team this year. I bet he's hoping that some of these guys have some marginal improvement and some (ANY) market develops for them around the deadline but I actually don't even trust him to be a seller at that point since he is just as likely to double down (just like he did this year). We will see. But just so you know I do give him credit for the Z move. At least it makes us a little bit easier to match up (since Step and Brass were essentially the same player).

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 6:43 pm EST

Wild/E - don't waste your time. Douchenozzle _Archole just likes to carp and because he's got nothing to carp about right now, it's doom over the Rangers farm system. You could show that schmuck a visible representation of 1+1 and he'd still think the answer was 3...you want to argue the Rangers' farm system is in danger? Well get out and watch a few college games. Go see the Pack. Then come back and argue. Don't read Larry Brooks and start running off at the mouth like your an authority.

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 6:32 pm EST

and don't get me wrong....I do not think the feeder system will be the best or something, or that there will not be a lack of the ability to bring in young blood if the picks they did make don't pan out. I just don't think there would be much impact one way or the other if they had those picks from the last few years. I mean the last 2 drafts likely the players wouldn't be impactful at all, so its really 2 drafts worth of players, and in one of those drafts gave the Rangers Tamballini, and Buch (and Duclair of course) so its not like they are devoid of talent from those drafts...most teams would love to have a Buch in the system about to move onto the roster....

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 5:33 pm EST

There is legitimate reason to fret over the feeder system but I always think it's a dubious claim between 15 and back. Why? Because those lists always slant towards identified and non developed talent. You still develop your team. And despite giving away what I think is an absurd number of draft picks that I think will create a chasm the truth is I think the New York Rangers have done quite well finding talent in later rounds, developing, and promoting them. And certain players they've found as secondary trades that have NHL upside. And then they've also turned into a destination for NCAA free agents. And look, for all their atrocious status on those rankings they're are bringing in Buchnevich who could be a tremendous player. From Fast to MZA. No one saw much in them at the draft. A lot of what if? So I'm not all gloom and doom but I am expecting Gorton to begin to address the depth in the coming seasons. But, I don't care what the rankings say. It's just off season toilet paper to me.

E


Sun Jul 24 2016 5:11 pm EST

and now for a word from our sponsors.....15 -17 forwards, 9 d vying for jobs ......if they carry 23 which they should to start the season, I'll assume 7-8 d means 13-14 forwards .....http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 24 2016 5:03 pm EST

...and Nieves, he did have 5 points in 8 AHL games after he got done with school....we have no clue what he will become. And on top of that, there is nothing wrong with having the bottom 6 and a couple top 6 guys be draft picks and the rest gotten via trade (like Z) and as UFAs. And the D will be half draft picks....not a bad thing at all in the NHL of free agency.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 5:00 pm EST

_Arc: You just simply write off not only the goaltenders, but We don't know what Kovacs will do, we don't know how far Tambellini will develop, nor do we know what Gropp will become. All have potential of being top 6...On D Graves had the hardest shot at the AHL allstar game and his game made strides last season from all reports. And add to that the Rangers have young players in the lineup, and in important roles. There is only so much room for young players to call up, You do need vets...I just wonder, how many young players beyond the new Z, Step, Kreider, Miller, Zucc, Fast, Lindberg, Hayes do you need to feel like there is youth helping keep the team going? A couple years from now we will be able to say there was no influx of new young players, but it wont be like there will have been a need for youth. And thats without knowing hardly anything about Day or the other picks from this years draft....You make an awfully big leap to the Rangers being the worst system in the NHL...with teams like the AVS out there who have limited young guys on the roster and almost nothing not he way out there.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 24 2016 4:36 pm EST

_Archole - ZING! Boy you got me! Yup! Pegged me. Unemployed. Unmarried. Man you're good! You don't know your ass from your elbow. You couldn't predict the sun rising much less anything about hockey. Go jerk yourself all over the islanders crest because that's something a loser like you would do. Ta!

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 4:17 pm EST

Sorry gang. I didn't think that was such a hard concept to understand that we would invariably be behind the rest of the league (who get to pick at the very least 60 odd players before we get our shot for three or four years running!!!!). If I'm not mistaken we were ranked at the top half of the league just two or three years ago (#8 I think). And we've been falling as we have graduated. Mind you Clark has done a fantastic job with the picks that he has been given but as I said, AFTER this year with Buch the rest will prove to be nothing but journeyman role players at besT (always wrong guy not withstanding).

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 4:05 pm EST

TOUCHDOWN!!!!! And the crown goes wild!!!! You know I've been on this forum since its inception and I've only had 'words' with three people. There was this guy 'Bob' (not the guy currently here) who out of nowhere attacked Despo and bunch of others, second was Yorkie (but who the hell hasn't done that so I don't think that even counts) and the third is...... Take a bow chief. I mean really you have to be one of the most clueless people to walk this earth and yet you just won't SHUT UP. I MEAN REALLY!!!!! How can you talk so much when you are so constantly and without fail wrong. And it's every day all day..... I know you have nothing else to do other than collect unemployment. Shit m, there's no way a chick would put up with you since all you do it talk. So please, for you're well being go outside! It's Sunday! Go to church even. Wait, don't do that, I think we should work up to that for obvious reasons. In any case, maybe try the park (just do something about that acne problem first tho). Practice using ur 'inside voice'. And maybe learn to read. For instance then you would understand a simple sentence. Either way, you know I'm right inside just like I was right about Hags and then I was right about this team last year (again you fell flat on your face) and then I was right about E Staal. I know! I know it's hard to come to grips with it. There there, you don't need to do something silly like that. Sure. Try start with something simple..... Like 'the sky is blue'. See you can be right. But let's rest for today okay we don't want to go backwards. Good night little guy. HOHO.

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 3:27 pm EST

Where Josh Jooris Will Fit with the Rangers..... http://thehockeywriters.com/where-josh-jooris-will-fit-with-the-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 24 2016 12:49 pm EST

RF4L - won't catch an argument from me about the stupidity of trading away high picks. And I think my position against all the big four deals that lost us those picks is pretty well documented...but to play devil's advocate...the Rangers weren't likely to get a generational talent with those picks anyway...as our tired argument goes, you need to bottom out to get those players...a few months back, I went through what amounted to the picks the Rangers have given up (including in the CLOWE deal) and not a single one is an NHLer at this point. Kerby RYCHEL is the only one at this point who looks like he may become one. Not to say the picks would have been the same if the Rangers kept them.,,but it goes to show the likelihood of those types of picks making the NHL.

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 12:26 pm EST

Here's one to support the wear & tear on the players from making it to the playoffs year after year...... ""Not since 1991 has the NHL season ended before June, and with players getting faster and hitting harder with each passing season, the toll on the body has become more gruelling with shorter times for recovery than ever before. Ask training guru Ben Prentiss, who has worked with everyone from ....... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/why-rest-after-car-crash-of-a-season-is-an-important-part-of-off-season-training/

mf


Sun Jul 24 2016 12:11 pm EST

TD: Well, we're gonna see in the next couple of years who's right vs wrong here. I don't deny there's talent in the system - I'm arguing that it's mainly bottom half roster talent which only makes sense given all the high picks flittered away over the past 4 drafts.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 12:07 pm EST

RF4L - see here's the thing: These same sources have consistently ranked the Rangers "feeder system" at the bottom FOR YEARS. And yet the team continues to produce two to three NHLers per season. Those rankings are utter bullshit because unless you have the time to pour through thousands of pages of reports or to watch every junior/college game that involves a given NHL prospect, you're basically making your assessment based on where a player was drafted and whether the team has signed him...like I said, we've been hearing for years about the decline is the Rangers farm...an assessment that is itself based largely on the fact they haven't had a first round pick in several years. Yet we keep gettin players like BUCHNEVICH and DUCLAIR who appear out of thin air...I'm not going to say the Rangers have the type of depth of a team like the Leafs right now, but I've seen first hand the quality they have...not including the newest guys to come to Hartford...and I can say their streak of graduating NHLers from Hartford is not about to come to an end. And what's that? The very definition of a feeder system. The ability to restock your roster with good young players...I'll also mention this: the Rangers have also shown themselves to be very good at both assessing the talent they have in the system and then getting the most out of those guys. We see it almost every year...those players who come up from Hartford are polished and ready to play.

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 11:52 am EST

BTW, the Rangers feeder system is ranked last by multiple experts but it's as it sits now, not what was done 2 to 7 years ago. It's obvious under Sather's watch, the Rangers in the late 90s/early 2000s did do a good job at drafting (you forgot to include Marc Staal in there, another Ranger first rounder). It's therefore reasonable to speculate that there would be a few other fine prospects (perhaps even bluechippers) in the system if Sather hadn't traded away 6 high picks over the past 4 years.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 11:49 am EST

TD: All those players you list, save for Buch, were landed when the Rangers weren't trading away high draft picks like candy. Of the players you mention in your post (Kreider, Miller, McDonagh, Zuccarello, Fast, Lindberg, Skjei, Stepan, McIlrath, Buchnevich, Kovacs, Gropp, Nieves, Tambellini and Graves) 9 have made it to the NHL. Let's look at them more closely: 4 of the 9 (Kreider, Miiler, Skeji and McI are Ranger first rounders - that nearly 1/2 of those who've reached the NHL. Another (McD) was the 12th pick overall by Montreal. Of the remaining 4, 2 are 2nd rounders (Stepan and Lindberg). Of the final 2, one was an UFA (re never drafted at all) and the other a late rounder. This only emphasizes the importance of keeping your high picks. It's essential to sustained competitiveness. Of all the others you list only Buch seems like a sure thing. The rest are prospects with varying upsides and it's more than reasonable to conclude the ones that eventually do make it likely are bottom half players. This is what happens when you have no first rounders for 4 consecutive years and only 2 second rounders. I know I don't need to defend Arc and I know you 2 are in pissing match but I believe the slant of his post is accurate - unless/until Gorton addresses things via making more deals like the one he just completed with the Sens, it's quite reasonable to speculate that the price of this bad management is on the horizon.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 11:47 am EST

Doom & Gloom, Don't PANIC! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ2QM9SO7ig

mf


Sun Jul 24 2016 11:28 am EST

The horrible ungodly Ranger feeder system, which is 'rankednl worst in the league' some how produced Kreider, Miller, McDonagh, Zuccarello, Fast, Lindberg, Skjei, Stepan, McIlrath and now Buchnevich...averaging about two to three NHLers per season...mmmm...bad...and I mean talk about empty...this kid Kovacs and Gropp...they must suck...and forget about Nieves and Tambellini. They must suck too. And Graves. Sucks. Just an empty cupboard down there. I mean forget about all those kids we just drafted. They're all busts. Woe is me. Doom I tell ya. DOOOOOOOOM.

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 11:18 am EST

_Archole - Gorton could land Sid Crosby for a seventh round draft pick and you'd still find a reason to bitch and moan about it. And suffice to say, you don't know squat about "feeder systems" or the Rangers prospects if you think they have the worst one in the league. Stick with what you know, which is incoherent rants about nothing.

tdchi


Sun Jul 24 2016 10:59 am EST

NN: 7 years at $5,500,000? No thanks. He can stay in St Louis...

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 10:29 am EST

If Shattenkirk only wants to play for the Rangers, how much of a hometown discount will he take. His cap hit is currently $4.250; does he take $5.5 on a max 7 year deal (if he is not acquired before 7/1/17). Doubt it..as we all know it's all about the money.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jul 24 2016 10:05 am EST

jansen in big mac has to clear waivers to be sent down, and buek has some khl clause.....so are both of them kept on the nhl roster ?......

stevielegs


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:36 am EST

schneidw: Before they give a tryout to Lafleur, I sure hope they endeavor to stay in house - that's the proper way (and rewards assets within your own organization): Invite Rod Gilbert to camp this fall...

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:33 am EST

Arc: Meant to add: Let's hope the 2nd rounder Gorton managed to get out of Ottawa in the Brassard/Z deal is the start of a trend - if so, that will go a long way to address the pending talent gap the organization is currently facing.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:31 am EST

Arc: Your feeder system concern is valid IMO and that's the biggest reason I've be bemoaning Gorther's penchant for trading away high draft picks, the latest flub being the E Staal deal as you cite. I will say making that deal even worse is AV's stupid deployment of Staal - stuck him on the 3rd line ignoring the fact that historically Staal and Nash have played well together (not saying that pairing would have worked but at least give it a try because nothing was working otherwise). The Rangers do have some talent in the feeder system but after Buch to me they are all bottom 6, 3rd pairing players. Of course, there's always the possibility one or two could develop to be better than that but bluechippers, after Buch, they aren't. There's a reason most were drafted after the 2nd round.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:18 am EST

oops...meant to say vs moving him singularly. That said, I guess it depends on what kind of market there is for him. Could he bring a first rounder for example? If so, that might be tempting...

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:17 am EST

That E. Staal trade was no better than the deal we made with SJ (2 second rd) for a broken down what's his name. Production wise it may be even worse. The end result is the lack of foresight And inability to properly evaluate talent. How many of these type trade are we going to make. It makes no sense to trade for Shattenkirk. E. Staal, MSL, and D Boyle Also ONLY wanted to play for the Rangers.; who gives a shit????? If they are going to stink it up while robbing us of assets that we are so short of!!!!! Enough already. Fish boy went into the off season promising a pretty good roster overhaul but now finds out the truth; nobody values his assets as much as he did so now the company line is 'they will be better Navarre they'll have a chip on their shoulder'. BULLSHIT!!! After Buch makes the roster this year we will have the last ranked feeder system in the league. Moreover, we will not be able to add anything to that last ranked feeder system for another 3 friggin years. Think about it; a last ranked talent base that will continue to degrade exponentially for another THREE YEARS. Enjoy the modicum of success this year boys and girls; we will be nothing but an expansion team come 2018-2022

_Arc


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:17 am EST

I'd be ok with KK going in a package that brings back young, skilled players.

RF4L


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:15 am EST

JIMMY VESEY: Where do the NYRs even fit another LW when they already have Nash, Glass, Kreider, Miller and sometime Hayes? I thought Vesey was a RW until I looked him up... I realize Vesey is likely heading to BOS/TOR.. just was hoping another USA player via the college ranks could help the NYRs get faster, younger, cheaper without costing anything since he is a UFA... NYRs need a RW so bad its ridiculous.. thinking back to all the draft misses (Cherpananov, Jessiman, Brendl, Cherneski, etc) at the RW position... Maybe they can bring Guy LaFleure out of retirement...

schneidw


Sun Jul 24 2016 9:02 am EST

GIRARDI/STAAL: Most of the finger pointing has been directed at these 2 players as the main reason for the demise of the NYRs... hard to defend their play, but as HOSPO insightfully pointed out, it was a total team breakdown last season... the worst part IMHO, is the NYRs supposed 'best' players NASH, LUNDQUVIST, GIRARDI all had sub-par seasons and then the NYR forwards were weak all season along the boards and on the backcheck... Although the NYRs have no choice but to bet on GIRARDI/STAAL to rebound this season, I think its a safe bet since those 2 have been INCREDIBLE players for the NYRs over the past 5 years or so and I don't believe they totally have degraded that fast.. it was more the NYRs system breakdown last season...

schneidw


Sun Jul 24 2016 8:56 am EST

HOSPO- I don't even agree with my post to trade Klein (HA@!).. the notion is totally based on the facts you stated.. .Klein is a very solid 2 way defenseman with a reasonable contract... For those reasons, if Gorton and the NYRs are serious about rebuilding, then Klein has a very good trade value that should return a player/pick that gets the NYRs cheaper, faster, and younger and is the next step..... Nobody on the WALL more than yourself has patience for a youthful infusion of talent on this team... but the reality is the NYRs need to hit the reset button and build around McDonough, Kreider, Stepan Miller etc.. the young USA born contingent... That means to me that NYRs have ot trade Nash next if they can find a taker... he is so injury prone that if he gets hurt one more time, he becomes untradeable... Just the facts.. the salary cap era dictate such maneuvers.. look how CHI and PIT have rebuilt... and I give kudos to NJD too...

schneidw


Sun Jul 24 2016 8:49 am EST

SHATTENKIRK: Somebody posted on the WALL that Shattenkirk will only sign with the NYRs... Even if this is true, no player agent would ever let that information get leaked because it totally undermines the terms of his next contract (Ignoring the idiocy of Sather w Marty St Louis deal)... From the minimal STL BLUES hockey that I have seen, Shattenkirk is very similar to Yandle and thus, as was shown the past 2 years, not going to make a huge difference on the powerplay unless other things change too.... NYRs are definitely a work in progress...

schneidw


Sun Jul 24 2016 8:24 am EST

Report: Veteran center Moore says he has offers on the table.... https://twitter.com/brielarson/status/757042695537774592

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 24 2016 8:17 am EST

is shatten the past tense of shat ? ...moof is that pretty shatty? ...shat in the hat....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 23 2016 10:08 pm EST

It's nice to hear that a guy like Shattenkirk wants to be a Ranger.... I believe that we have the piece to trade for him, and I think that STL would have to sweeten the pot..... Curious to know how much "Shatty" thinks he's worth on an extension..... Also pretty firm on the belief that we must move Girardi first or simultaneously...... Will Girardi waive his NMC? We need to move Staal too, this team will look way different once Staal, Girardi, Nash, & Glass are moved....

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 9:46 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/coyotes-add-depth-to-blue-line-sign-luke-schenn/

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 7:38 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Of course I couldn't disagree with you more on Kevin Klein..but I also disagree that the Rangers don't have enough to make another deal to make the team better...To me, that trade is for a RS offensive AND PP d-man...The team desprately needs one..The question is do the Rangers think they can trade Nash or Hayes or hell, even MZA and still like the composition of ther top 3 lines....A lot obviously depends on what they are expecting from guys like Hayes and BUCH...

Hospo


Sat Jul 23 2016 7:19 pm EST

Wild/TD..... In regard to Kevin Hayes, he had the potential to earn $3,750,000 each season if he achieved all of his bonuses. He had a base salary of $810,00 and $90,000 in signing bonuses for both of those first two seasons. He also had the potential to earn another $2,850,000 in bonuses. Those bonuses are standard per the CBA and include the following: ...The $2,850,000 is split up into $850,000 of Type A bonuses and $2 million in Type B bonuses. ....Type A bonuses can pay him $212,500 for each of the following categories, capped at $850,000 in aggregate: .....(a) Forwards: (i) Ice time (aggregate and/or per Game). Player must be among top six(6) forwards on the Club (minimum 42 Regular Season Games played by Player and comparison group). (Note: an Entry Level SPC may contain bonuses for both aggregate and per Game ice time; however the maximum aggregate amount the player may receive on account of the ice time category is $212,500)... (ii)... Goals: 20 Goal Minimum... (iii)... Assists: 35 Assist Minimum... (iv)... Points: 60 Point Minimum.... (v)... Points Per Game: .73 Points Per Game Minimum (minimum 42 Regular Season Games played).... (vi)... Plus-Minus Rating: Among top three (3) forwards on the Club (minimum 42 Regular Season Games played by player and comparison group)... (vii)....End-of-Season NHL All-Rookie Team... (viii)... NHL All-Star Game (selected to play or plays)... (ix)... NHL All-Star Game MVP...... The $2 million in Type B bonuses are much less attainable. They can include a bonus for a top-three finish in Calder voting to the following maximums: ...First: $212,500... ....Second: $150,000... ...Third: $100,000..... The Calder bonus could be in play for Hayes in one of his two seasons on his entry-level deal (obviously not both)..... Other Type B bonuses are awarded for: Top-five finish in Hart, Selke, or Rocket Richard voting.... Top-three finish in Lady Byng voting.... Conn Smythe win.... Being named to the NHL’s first or second All-Star team.... Finishing top ten in the league in goals, assists, points or points per game.... To make a long story short, Kevin Hayes made a maximum of between $900,000 and $1.2 Mil in his first two seasons as a NYR. I would say that he's gotten quite the raise with his new contract.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 23 2016 7:18 pm EST

GORTON NEXT MOVES: I still think the NYRs can rebuild/retool on the fly as the Brassard->Z trade shows.. of course these deals are slow to develop and I am skeptical the NYRs have the pieces to make any other trades of significance unless Gorton can find a team to trade for Nash and offer up a young defenseman or right winger... we'll see.. I still vote to trade Klein because I think he can also return some solid young cheaper player.

schneidw


Sat Jul 23 2016 3:32 pm EST

RHET - REID has been saying the same thing for the past month or two.(I guess so am I)..Not saying he's wrong, he's got a point with Girardi, Staal and the since gone Boyle, and he's right about Holden and Clendenning, but not once has he mentioned the horrendous defensive play of the forwards last year that constanlty left the D out to dry and was a major reason the Rangers gave up so many shots and possessed the puck so little....It will be a team battle to get this thing turned around...Personally, I;m not sure how much he watched the team play..

Hospo


Sat Jul 23 2016 3:26 pm EST

WILD/RF4L - Here's the thing, GMs of contending teams look at these contracts differently then fans..many of them will take the last two years of decining play in a 5 year contract, if they can get 2-4 good years (i.e, the Bruins with Backes this year)...THe problem is when they sign a player already declining....or if you sign too many of those contracts..Again, all comes down to proper evaluation of the indivudaul player

Hospo


Sat Jul 23 2016 3:16 pm EST

On the NHL Network, Dave Reid spoke about the Rangers and said that their "big four on defense "have to find their game." (NHL) Reid said that Nick Holden won't come in and be Keith Yandle and that Adam Clendening is a good 7th, 8th defenseman. He said that the Rangers struggled in their own zone, they lacked speed defensively and need Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Kevin Klein and "even" Ryan McDonagh to "find their game" and "step up." He said that Brady Skjei will present a real "interesting dynamic" and push some of the other defenders. Reid said that if the Rangers can stay where they are they will be in a battle for one of the last playoff spots. He notes that it's a difficult situation for the Rangers with their position at the top of the salary cap.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 23 2016 2:47 pm EST

I've read before that the reason Shattenkirk hasn't been traded before is because he only wants to sign an extension with the NYR.. A huge fan of the team and Brian Leetch... "Kevin Shattenkirk is working with his agent to come to the NYRangers"..... http://fulltiltnyr.com/kevin-shattenkirk-working-agent-come-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 23 2016 2:30 pm EST

That idiot Sather should have traded Girardi too. Tampa's issue with cally mirrors that of the Rangers issue with Girardi...

RF4L


Sat Jul 23 2016 2:02 pm EST

schneidw: That's exactly what was talked about on this here wall by me and others. Sure Cally would bring it for the first 2-3 years of his new contract, but after that it would be hit or miss, and likely more miss. I had even said if he had wanted a 3 year deal at 5-6 per he pups be worth it, but nothing after 3 years would be safe. It appears that is holding true. He could still ah e a good season this year, but I think it's unlikely his body will allow him.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 23 2016 1:54 pm EST

mf: a couple sites that are good for quick reference. One one trades http://www.nhltradetracker.com/home and there is one for draft picks that shows the trade path of said pick http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/

Wildcard


Sat Jul 23 2016 1:46 pm EST

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-east/tampa-bay-lightning/lightning-ryan-callahan-problem/

schneidw


Sat Jul 23 2016 1:18 pm EST

"IF" TBL moves Bishop, they have enough Cap to resign Namestikov & Kucherov.... They currently have approx $8.5mill .......... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=TB

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 1:17 pm EST

MF... We traded it to Carolina for some guy named Eric Staal. The pick we got from Ottawa was in 2018. We'd probably have to give them another pick besides the 2018 to get our 2017 back. Then if we got Kucherov, we'd be giving up our #''s 1,2,3 for him. If you're going to do that, you really have to be convinced that he is the real deal.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 23 2016 1:07 pm EST

Offer sheets IMO are basically fan fantasy moves - they are too far and few between and what's even rarer is a team not matching. It really only serves the NHLPA in that it helps escalate salaries, not to mention pisses off a bunch of GMs and owners.

RF4L


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:58 pm EST

Rhet, any idea who owns "our" 2nd round pick? Since we just acquired one from Ottawa, perhaps a small trade is possible in a swap....

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:57 pm EST

Time to re-visit a trade with Edmonton? ..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-trading-yakupov-wont-be-easy-for-oilers/

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:49 pm EST

NM the offer sheet. I forgot the deal the Predators gave Filip Forsberg. Based on his six-year, $36 million deal, we would need to be in the $6-6.5M range. That would also require a 2nd round pick and we currently don't own ours.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:36 pm EST

Trade.... Jensen looks ready and I would be surprised if he doesn't beat out Gerbe. The other thing to know about Jensen is that he has to clear waivers if sent down.... Who is Nicklas Jensen?....http://thehockeywriters.com/nicklas-jensen-rangers/ .....The original plan for Kovacs was for him to go back to Sweden to play another season there. That is until he tore it up in Prospects Camp. He's also a terrific agitator. A long shot to make the team, but sure to give it his all .....Rangers Sign Robin Kovacs to ELC... http://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-sign-robin-kovacs/ ....In regard to Nash.... Trade him for Shattenkirk and then offer sheet Nikita Kucherov. After re-signing Stamkos, the Lightning can't afford another big contract. If the NYR signed him to a 5 or 6 year deal in the $5-5.5M range, that should get the job done. Of course, it would also cost us a first and third round pick.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:34 pm EST

WIOSA: I think some here may seem quick to offer Kevin Klein in trade because of the frustration encountered when trying to figure out how to figure out the quagmire on defense as it relates to dollars and now include the protecting of players for the expansion draft......... AAPCCM of the Trade-A-Raiders, a look at the defensive make up of a potential team to trade with is a must in an attempt to move one or both "albatross contracts" of Girardi & Staal.. (please note: the reference to their contracts & not the player as the "albatross") ...... I believe we can afford and should start moving them asap.... Take what we can get in terms of which guy we can move first, Staal Or Girardi.... We have good coverage down the left side, and if we move Girardi, we can also entertain filling his spot from within, or look to trade for a RHS D'man...... Moving 1 or both will create opportunities for AV to get creative and produce.... I think AV knows he's on the hotseat......

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:23 pm EST

HAYES: I think some forget how good Hayes was early on with getting his sick on the puck shrike the opposing forward was at full stride, chipping it away and turning the play around into a rush the other direction. I also don't think he is "lazy" I see a lot of times he is just stable, meaning he doesn't get too up or two down in his play regardless of what's happening. I have seen it before with young players. Miller in fact for a bit, not as long, but still. I have always thought it has to do with adjusting, that for a time when a player adjusts to his new responsibilities at the NHL level they kind of go into a funk. They don't want to push their limits because they don't want to make big mistakes and in doing so it makes their game flat, and they end up making mistakes. Usually it doesn't go away with out a shake up, offseason, being sat a long stretch or being sent down. Let's all hope this is what was going on with Hayes and the offseason will be his reset of sorts and come camp he will feel better about pressing his limits. We shall see if I am correct or not.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:18 pm EST

td: I think your right. I think Hayes got 2.95 with his bonuses, and he hit them both years I think. So this deal is a pay cut, but of course it's guaranteed, but still a cut since his bonuses were not that lofty.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 23 2016 12:12 pm EST

NHL tonight preseason power rankings top 5 - Penguins, Bolts, Capitals, Sharks, Hawks. No surprises. Im sure we're 6 or 7. LOL.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 23 2016 11:53 am EST

Regarding Kreider & Hayes, they need to figure out how to get their collective games to the next level.... Kreider has the goods to be a dominating Power Forward in this league... Does he find the open lanes to fire one off? Does he lean into the defender often enough to create a scoring chance on anything besides the breakaway? .... As for Lazy Hayes, the title & reputation certainly fit... What is defense for someone else to play? This boy needs to get leaner and faster, cause that's his build.. All jmo naturally...... Agree with Hospo, not DARK, just Reality......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6d8eKvegLI

mf


Sat Jul 23 2016 11:46 am EST

bottom line Hagelin helped made lazy hazy look good....maybe the pigpens want him....guess the reason him and his former line mate kid k not playing together is because they don't like each other....great for team concept...there is some merit to weeknow not liking kids, since most don't understand what it means to be a professional.....and not having enough nhl savvy experience .....having too many kids ala the oilers makes it harder to succeed , regardless or irregardless of talent...that's why he favors vets......what the nyr need is a reaatitude adjustment....as does the coach and his hands off approach confusing men with boys..."come on boys"..

stevielegs


Sat Jul 23 2016 11:31 am EST

RF4L - As you are want to say, I don't think that was very dark, just realisitic and cautious..:)

Hospo


Sat Jul 23 2016 11:13 am EST

Hospo. LOVE your dark side dude. Lolol

RF4L


Sat Jul 23 2016 11:00 am EST

TDCHI - On JENSEN.."a VERY GOOD two -way forward"? Relative to what? NHLEers? AHLers? The little i've seen of him is a good AHL forward who will hopefully be able to make the NHL as a 4th liner and Black Ace...Nothing wrong with that,,,.

Hospo


Sat Jul 23 2016 10:55 am EST

On HAYES, of course it's still to early to totally give up on him because of his individual offensive talents...but ..there is still alot to hate about the guy including his attitude, lack of effort, over condfidence,......Then there's the part of his puck hogging game that, while occasionally leading to great passes, doesn't really fit in with anybody.....It's all up to the bozo,..Work harder...get stronger..give 100% and play a team game...has the game in the palm of his hands if he wants.......We'll see..

Hospo


Sat Jul 23 2016 10:50 am EST

Damn auto fill -- Kreider

MelvilleFred


Sat Jul 23 2016 10:50 am EST

As with Greider I don't see Hayes getting to the next level with AV as the Coach......

MelvilleFred


Sat Jul 23 2016 10:13 am EST

Kevin Hayes: Too soon to write him off for sure... he jumped to the NHL from the USA college ranks.. so he hasn't played that many games in his young career... he still has a lot to learn... he has size, skill, youth, and pedigree... can't give up already.. he needs to get in better shape and make the commitment to use his body and he will become a solid NHL player...

schneidw


Sat Jul 23 2016 9:39 am EST

Nice article on sportsnet.ca website about Kreider: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chris-kreider-signs-new-york-rangers-arbitration-strong-fast-million-steal/

RF4L


Sat Jul 23 2016 9:25 am EST

RF4L - I could be mistaken, but I think the deal HAYES got was basically the same as what he was getting in his EL contract when bonuses are added in. Pretty sure he was making like $3 mill. His deal might actually be a little less. But I agree. Don't see the distaste for Hayes. I mean, I wouldn't have cared if he was moved...but the guy has upside. He can navigate through traffic almost better than anyone on the Rangers. His big problem is he pulls a million dollar move to maintain possession and then doesn't do squat with the puck. And man what I would give to see him actually crash the bet a la KRIEDER. Nevertheless, not a bad contract for a third-line forward who can fill in on the top two.

tdchi


Sat Jul 23 2016 8:48 am EST

I concur that the hatred shown on here for Hayes is a little over the top sometimes. That said, I also agree given his very disappointing season last year, he got a surprisingly lucrative new deal. In 2 years, he's played well for about a 3 month stretch (January to the start of the POs in his rookies season) but in that stretch he looked very impressive. A big, skilled forward with incredibly soft hands. There's most definitely a very good skillset there - if Hayes can harness it (re get his head in the right spot), he'll be worth that money and more. Right now that's a big if - IMO, another season this year like last year and he risks becoming another guy in a long line of underachieving professional athletes. I hope what we're hearing about him changing his attitude is accurate (and has sustainability).

RF4L


Sat Jul 23 2016 7:54 am EST

Drew- Hayes has been working out- I think he's down weight from last year. Should help his foot speed- he was out of shape last year and never really caught up. He was good buds with Brassard and Yandle.

puckyou


Sat Jul 23 2016 7:28 am EST

E:. You really don't see what the Rangers see on HAYES? He has the hands, vision and passing ability to be a point a game player. The issues with him are his skating, conditioning and effort level. To the extent those things can be fixed the Rangers could end up with a productive and important top 6 player..... Or they could end up with what he was last year. Too early to give up. Have some patience. Players with his potential don't grow on trees.

Vic


Sat Jul 23 2016 1:58 am EST

Tradestar - I can answer half that equation for you: JENSEN is a very good two-way forward who is above average in every category. He was the only guy in Hartford last season, save for maybe SKJEI, who looked like he really didn't belong down their. He's NHL-ready, but his upside? He's a little bit like Jesper FAST with size. He's got good hands and isn't afraid to work in the corners. If there was one, this is your quintessential AV-type forward. Unless he's been on a chocolate doughnut-eating binge this summer, he's going to make the team. Question is where. I don't see him in the top six...more likely, I see him sliding in nicely with LINDBERG and/or HAYES and FAST...tough to say, because it seems to me the Rangers have a few too many forwards right now. And were I to guess, they're not done dealing quite yet...right now, the depth chart would have Jensen on the bench or swapping into the lineup intermittently with BUCHNEVICH, who is also NHL-ready...but if someone like NASH is dealt? Or Fast? Jenson could see himself with big minutes this fall...KOVACS, on the other hand...disclaimer, I've not seen this kid skate a single minute...but to go from where he was in the Swedish leagues to making the Rangers would be quite a jump. I suspect he spends at least a year in Hartford.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:11 pm EST

E - That's the thing, KK used be just that..a solid "glue guy"..But over the last year and a half he has turned into much more than that, basically into the best d-man on the team who can play both ways just ike Mcd (although not as good offensively)...,,TRADE - If Shattenkirk or a D-man is traded offfor without a dman bieng traded, I expect Mcirath to be the guy being effected (moved to 7th) rather then Girardi,,,,,,....As for the Bottom SIX...As is, i would expect it to be something like FFast-Hayes-Buch.....and then Grabner with guys like Jooris, Jensen, Gerbe and Glass fighting for ice time.....Off course, dealing NASH for an offensive D-man would mean a forward getting a shot on the top six....Say BUCH (if ready)...or Grabner...or, if this is the tyical Rangers, FAST!

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:40 pm EST

KK = glue guy. The guy is just reliable. Hits, fights, defends well, seems to have chemistry with every player you pair him with.

E


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:27 pm EST

WIOSA>......maybe because KK will be 32 in December....and that friendly contract will run out in a few years .......sell high?

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:20 pm EST

...why do we keep trying to deal Klein? As in us, the RFC Wall, not the Rangers. I think he's one of our best if not THE best dmen we have. Good hockey sense, good reactions. I dont understand the need to deal him. He's cap friendly too.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:16 pm EST

Rhet...was the story with Jensen and Kovacs? I know zero about either of them..............Also....how about if the Rangers trade Nash for Shattenkirk.... how about Klein to Edmonton for Pouliot and a 2nd Rounder.....put him back with Zucc and throw Mika in the middle

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:13 pm EST

Trade.... I expect Nicklas Jensen makes the team out of camp. We also can't ever count out Robin Kovacs. Training Camp should be a lot of fun. BTW, I also expect Tanner Glass has played his last game as a NYR.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:07 pm EST

So looking at that roster on the screen.....and lets say Shattenkirk for Nash.....That means they would have to bury Girardi or Staal somewhere or that Klein gets traded? If Nash goes....doesnt that leave a big hole in the top 6? Need someone to actually score goals who has proven they could do it.

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:04 pm EST

Defense of - McDonagh, Klein, Sjkei , Girardi, Staal, McIlrath, Holden and Clendening?

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:01 pm EST

So let's see what the top 6 will look like..... Stepan , M Zibanejad, R. Nash, Kreider, Zucc, JT Miller ?? And Bottom 6 of Hayes, Buch, Grabner , Gerbe, J Fast, (Lindberg, Jooris, T. Glass, Hrivik) ??

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 22 2016 7:45 pm EST

Something tells me the Rangers are going to end up with Kevin Shattenkirk. I suspect it will be Nash heading out.

Bob


Fri Jul 22 2016 6:49 pm EST

For whatever the reason the New York Rangers see something in Hayes that I'm missing. His skating is like an anchor. Hes soft. I just don't see it.

E


Fri Jul 22 2016 6:42 pm EST

2.6 per for the hockey equivalent of Cheech and Chong.

Bob


Fri Jul 22 2016 5:33 pm EST

Holy crap..I thought Hayes was getting 1.3 mill per year....and thought that was too much for the no account bozo...But 2.6 mill..Per ? Assinine............

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 4:48 pm EST

Lol mf!!! I wish I could say the same. Nothing is finer than a tall boy Pabst out of the paper bag!

DREW


Fri Jul 22 2016 4:48 pm EST

"modified no-trade clause that prevents Kreider, 25, from being traded to 11 teams." I also read it's the last two years.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 4:36 pm EST

Did Kreider get a NMC or a NTC?

MelvilleFred


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:50 pm EST

Hrivik still unsigned

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:46 pm EST

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:20 pm EST

what's left.....Steve Zipay ✔ @stevezipay About $4.3 mil, I believe; doesn't include Buchnevich, Skjei entry-levels, but includes Glendening, prob headed AHL....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:16 pm EST

gross ..."ayes, who had an arbitration hearing set for Wednesday in Toronto, reportedly agreed to a two-year, $5.2 million deal with an annual average value (salary cap hit) of $2.6 million."....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:15 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/rangers-hayes-agree-terms-new-contract

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:12 pm EST

Jesus Christ ! I can't believe we re-signed that lazy arse-hole Hayes. Does this mean we still won't trade him now ? I am sooooooooooooo disappointed with this move !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jul 22 2016 3:10 pm EST

Drew: my reliable sources say that Hayes is no longer drinking tall-boys from a paper bag. He's down sized to 12 oz with a beer-huggy.. Hospo, CONGRATULATIONS on the signing..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtUVn9Cafy

mf


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:57 pm EST

On STAAL, I don't know, I think WE are over-valuing the guy....He stopped improving a long time ago...Basically turned himslef into and leveled off as a run of the milll 2nd pair defensive D-man.. Not only that , he has turned himself into a Tom Potil-like Poke checker and his physicality has disappeared..There are rare stretches of a few games when he seems to get a bug up his ass and looks like a totally different player. but rare is the operative word...SO, maybe we are stuck with him...I have more hopes of Girardi regaining his old form then Staal turning into something much better..

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:49 pm EST

BOB - Please tell me yu can trade a guy after signing him to a contract..Even the mention of his name gets me sick...Oh well...RF4L - It's not just a new attitude, a heart and some 10lbs of muscle would do him well..A stiff wind knocks the schmuck over...

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:44 pm EST

Roll out those lazy HAYES-y crazy dates of Summer.

Bob


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:41 pm EST

WIld: Then for once we agree. OMG hell might be freezing over!

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:28 pm EST

RF4L: Oh I agree, Staal would fetch more for sure. But I think there would be more Intrest in KK. Even some teams who are interested in Staal, just due to the lower cost of acquiring and cap hit.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:27 pm EST

JFC / puck you: You guys have both mentioned that there were some concerns with Hayes' attitude. I apologize as I dont mean to put you on the spot but you guys have had mutual connections to Hayes. Has anything changed that you may know of? I am going to be positive and hope he can turn it around.

DREW


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:25 pm EST

Hayes got a nice raise for a guy who regressed last year, that's for sure. I hope he comes to camp with a changed attitude...

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:22 pm EST

Hayes re-signed. HOSPO rejoices!

Bob


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:13 pm EST

I would accept the argument that there are probably more teams interested in KK (primarily because of his reasonable cap hit) but Staal would fetch more simply because he's a better d-man.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:11 pm EST

Wild: Maybe but that's your opinion. IMO, Staal is a better defenseman, even if his play's been a little uneven over the past couple of seasons. Staal can and has played big minutes as a top pairing d-man. KK has not and probably cannot.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:10 pm EST

mf: I think you have that backwards. My understanding is that when a player with a NMC is traded that clause is voided unless the new team is willing to honour it. That's what happened with Nashville and Subban. They apparently, after acquiring him, had something like 24 hours to decide whether or not they would honour the NMC he negotiated with Montreal (that kicked in July 1). The Preds, BTW, declined it. If Staal agreed to waive it for the Rangers it could be only under the conditions his new team agreed to honour it.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:09 pm EST

RF4L: It's a cap world, save a handful of teams trying to reach the cap floor, KK would be more attractive. He is solid, and cheap. Two things teams like. Would imagine due to those things and his ability to fill in on a second pair there would be a handful of teams, maybe 6-7 that would make offers for him. I mean, he would be an upgrade on a lot of 3rd pairs around the NHL.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:07 pm EST

mf: According to reports after a couple trades this offseason, the team receiving a player who weaved a NMC/NTC has the option of honoring it (basically putting it back in place) or not. I think they file paperwork either way within a certain amount of time post trade, but I'm not entirely sure about that part. So in reality Staal could tell the Rangers "I will only waive to team A if they reinstate my NTC. It has the potential of being very complex

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:07 pm EST

Wild: I would think Gorton would most definitely entertain moving Staal. That isn't because Staal is crap and the Rangers won't miss him but like he said at season's end and what he just did with Brassard, to make a real change you have to cut at the core, like it or not. IMO, it's more a case of Staal's willingness to waive than the Rangers willingness to trade him. All that said, no doubt they'd rather move Girardi and this time last summer his value was probably equal to that of Staal's currently on an open market. Not now though. So to me it's Staal or McD. I wonder, however, who's more attractive - KK or Staal?

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:04 pm EST

Aaron Ward reports via Twitter Hayes 2 years 2.6 per.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:03 pm EST

TD: I believe that a player with an NMC would not only need to waive his NMC to be traded, but also need to waive the remainder of the NMC for the acquiring team to leave him Unprotected for the expansion draft... Rhet?

mf


Fri Jul 22 2016 2:02 pm EST

Various Tweets indicating Hayes has resigned... Kevin Hayes deal is 2 years at $2.6M AAV.............. The Rangers and Kevin Hayes have agreed to terms per @NHL_AaronWard

DREW


Fri Jul 22 2016 1:57 pm EST

Wild - only problem with that is that Ecklund is always wrong...so if you said something like 'Krieder is going to sign a one-year bridge deal and get traded to the Islanders' you could have claimed the Ecklund mantle.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 1:48 pm EST

RF4L: I have said for a while. The Oil and the AVS would pay a good price for Staal. Both teams need a lot of help on D. I would imagine a few other teams would be interested as well, even at his full contract value. There would be 4-5 involved in talks is Staal would waive to them all at least. And that the big question, or one of them. Would he waive, and the other is do the Rangers want to go down that road?

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 1:33 pm EST

Damn! I should have said "I have a source that says" about Kreider. I could have been Eklund and looked right! I suggested 5 years 25 or there abouts, with a 10 team limited no trade for the last 2 years. I was damn close. LOL! I guess today I am the blind squirrel!!!

Wildcard


Fri Jul 22 2016 1:18 pm EST

TD: I agree that there's a good market for Staal IF he's willing to waive his NMC. We've no idea how he feels about. For certain he's a top 4 NHL defenseman. I guarantee the Oil would be interested - he's exactly what they need: An established, stable/calm top experienced but not ancient top 4 d-man. He'd probably end up being paired with Larsson on their top 2.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 1:10 pm EST

Re: STAAL and GIRARDI - I think if the Rangers wanted to move Staal, the could do it with a phone call or two. And they'd probably get a decent return for him as well...While I tend to agree with those who argue he hasn't been the same since his eye injury, he's still easily a top-four defenseman. And while it'd be nice if he were making a little less, he's not exactly overpaid. His season suffered because he couldn't get a good partner...GIRARDI was clearly out-of-sorts...more on that later...and BOYLE was flat-out done. The best he could hope for was KLEIN, who was basically miscast as our top pairing defenseman...I will say I wouldn't mind dealing Staal so that some of the younger lefties could get a shot...namely I speak of BODIE...And I think if Staal WERE moved, we'd all be pleasantly surprised by the type of player we'd get back...He struggled last season, but his struggles were magnified greatly by the gaping hole on the right that got exploited more and more by teams...on Girardi - I think if they paid a little to the right team, they could shed his contract...and by a little, I mean a midling prospect(say someone like GRAVES) or a second rounder...give him to some team that wants to expose him in the draft and it's all over...my opinion, though, is that the Rangers see him as rebounding...and that they believe whatever was ailing him all season will be healed...and Girardi much improved...I think Girardi is going to get a chance to pull himself up by the bootstraps. And if he continues to falter, he'll find himself in the stands with increasing frequency and ultimately bought out before the expansion draft.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 1:00 pm EST

RF4L - Agreed on KANE. I wouldn't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole unless there's a nice deal sweetener coming back...also agree on McCABE. I've had my eye on him for a while. If he was coming back the other way, we could easily part with SKJEI. I don't see them moving REINHART though. Yah never know, but I suspect he's a guy they've got etched into their longterm plans. The one who I think they're on the fence about is GIRGENSONS. The rumor was they were reticent about moving him....and that's one of the reasons NASH ain't a Sabre...but when you look at their forwards, it only makes sense...he's the odd man out of the top six these days...my other target would be Hudson FASCHING. If the Rangers are looking to get stronger and more physical, he'd be an incredible add. Not sure what his upside will be, but he's an NHLer for sure. Kid is just a beast along the boards.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 12:28 pm EST

E - yep, now if the Rangers or somebody can get him to just play and not think!

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 12:20 pm EST

So I guess they see CK as a big part of the team going forward. Good.

E


Fri Jul 22 2016 12:05 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/22/rangers-lock-up-chris-kreider-for-four-years-18-5m/

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 12:02 pm EST

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/brian-leetch-wayne-gretzky-only-in-new-york/

stevielegs


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:45 am EST

You got Reinhart and then you move Stepan....

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:43 am EST

TD: Now if someone Gorton could entice Murray to trade Reinhart, I'd take Kane along with him in heartbeat. I suspect Reinhart is close to being an untouchable but the Sabres do have a wealth of offensive skill at center with him, Eichel and O'Reilly (not to mention Girgensons). For certain, one of those first three will have to go eventually - it'll simply cost too much to keep all of them. There is considerable pressure in Buffalo to make noise this season noise loud enough to make the POs. Murray might be convinced to include Reinhart in a deal, but it'll cost more than Nash and Fast. The Sabres is oozing offensive talent, both on their current roster and in the feeder system (and that only grew in volume with them drafting Nylander with the 8th overall pick last month). Goaltending and defense appears to be where they need to concentrate so perhaps something like Nash (because they want a big name), Skeji (I know but you gotta give to get) and Halverson will land Gorton a return like Reinhart, McCabe and Kane.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:36 am EST

TD: If so all the more reason to stay the hell away. To me if you're trading for him you'd better get something else back that's lucrative because it'll only be a matter of time before he makes himself unwanted in RangerLand. If I'm Gorton my position would be this: Yes I'll accept this malcontented idiot but as a throw-in to our deal - the principle assets coming to NY is what's important, not Kane. For example (pure musings here on my part): Nash and Fast for Girgensons, McCabe and Kane.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:34 am EST

RHET - I hear ya, but It's a long year to say "you can't trade" Staal or Girardi before next off season...And then there's the buyout possibility...Though right now I think Girardi's value is too low to deal, dealing Staal is not an impossibility...Best case scenario is both regain some of their luster this year,,,...What it comes down to is if the Rangers still want to try and win this year (ridiculous not to in one of the last two years of the King's prime)...For that, they need Klein IMWO...Deal him and you're just weakening the team to where the other deals don't matter much.

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:27 am EST

Rhet: Re KK and the expansion draft. I suspect if Girardi sucks again this year, the Rangers will bite the cap bullet and buy him out prior to the expansion draft. IMO, it makes no sense to keep him at his ridiculous salary if he's not better than a 3rd pairing d-man. That's the price you have to pay sometimes when you hand out stupid contracts like Sather has done over the past few years.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:22 am EST

RF4L - I don't think it's as much about substances with KANE as much as it is him being a giant douche. The guy has a long track record of doing douchey things and a lot of it has nothing to do with bars or booze. I get the impression that he thinks he's real hot shit...even though he's basically a nothing in the NHL...kid could always turn it around...and he'll have a chance soon, because I don't see the Sabres putting up with this business for much longer. They've got an incredible young core...RISTOLAINEN, EICHEL, REINHART and NYLANDER...why let someone like Kane poison the well? That deal the Sabres did for him was plain stupid. Could go down as one of the worst in that franchise's history, depending on what ARMIA and LEMIEUX do.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:19 am EST

Hospo/RF4L... The reason a Klein trade is being speculated about is because if we can't move either of the Wonder Twins(or buy either out), the NYR will lose Klein in the Expansion Draft for nothing (as he would undoubtedly be taken).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:19 am EST

Leafs put Peter Holland on waivers today. Holland is one of those guys with a greater raw skillset that his numbers indicate. IMO, it's a mental thing for him - 1 shift/1 period/1 game he looks very very good and then for the next 3 or 4 shifts/periods/games he's not noticeable. For sure if he ever managed to put it altogether, he could be a top 6 center. Drafted 15th overall in 2009, he's never come close offensively to the numbers he produced in junior (31 goals and 88 points, plus 6 goals and 9 PO points in 6 games in his final year). Might be a reasonable replacement for the rehabbing Lindberg...

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:18 am EST

Bob - From what I understand, Shattenkirk has been very vocal about his desire to play for the Rangers. I'm not altogether too high on the guy...would much rather a younger guy with more of an upside...but I also have a feeling his value is going to be bottoming out soon...when the guy is going to bolt in less than a year, it doesn't make any sense to pay a premium for him...The guy I'd look at on the Blues is Jordan SCHMALTZ.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:15 am EST

A Shattenkirk deal would only make sense imo if we also move one of Staal or Girardi.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:11 am EST

Hospo: The KK trade speculation happened all year last year, too, and it's more because he's basically the only commodity on the backline (outside of McD who I suspect Gorther doesn't have the gonads to move). S and G are overpaid and armed with NMC contracts, Skeji is probably almost an untouchable and AV's ridiculously inept handling of McI has likely resulted in meager offerings from opposing GMs. I agree with you - unless there's a very good deal on the table (that has youth and talent coming back) you keep KK.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:06 am EST

Tossed out of a bar and going back to fight the bouncer. What an idiot and probably a drunken idiot. This guy needs to go into a substance abuse program I suspect.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:05 am EST

Good deal with Krieder...Let's hope he breaks out like i (and others) expect/hope...Fun player to watch either way...People keep bringing it up, but Rangers will be fools to deal KLEIN (their best d-man last year) and imporoving year by year...This is a guy you try to keep.......I'd work with dealing Nash, Staal, Hayes (mayber), and spare parts to get waht I need....

Hospo


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:05 am EST

Agreed that's a reasonable deal for Kreider and nothing wrong with a NMC that still has teams he can be traded to. That said, it's way too much money for a perennial 21 goal scorer. Let's home he evolves a bit and hits the 30 goal mark. I realize his hands aren't exactly Brett Hull replicas but if he finally adds more consistency to his effort, 30 goals is most certainly an achievable target.

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:03 am EST

FWIW - KANE'S criminal trespass charge is kind of BS. Got justly thrown out of a bar, came back and tried to fight the bouncer, got chucked again...the fact it took them this long to charge him means they probably were hoping to bang him on higher charges, but didn't have enough evidence to do so...but as the saying goes, where there's smoke there's fire...and with Kane, there's a long record now of him being a problem child. Seems almost like he's the black Sean Avery...Nevertheless, I could see a situation where the Rangers end up with him...

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:02 am EST

Don't shoot me......but I think that Gorton is having a good offseason so far. I like this Kreider deal and I like the Zibanejad deal. If he can move Nash and get something valuable for him, preferably a defenseman, it will be good. I heard yesterday that Shattenkirk gave the Blues a list of 4 teams that he would be willing to negotiate an extension with.

Bob


Fri Jul 22 2016 11:02 am EST

Sorry it's pure speculation but given the spiralling out of control crap Kane seems to be mired in, it makes me wonder if he's got some sort of substance abuse issue. You'd think if not, he'd be doing his most to stay out of trouble. I knew trading for him was a huge mistake but I thought moreso because of his cancer like impact in the dressing room. This is worse. Gorther would be a complete fool to trade for this guy, unless of course, the Sabres offer up something else just to get him off their hands. The Rangers could then farm his malcontented attitude to the eastern hockey league (or whatever it's called now).

RF4L


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:52 am EST

Nice, thanks Rhet'!!

hipcheck


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:51 am EST

Here Hip.... Per Aaron WardVerified account ‏@NHL_AaronWard ...... Chris Kreider contract with #NYR has 11 team no trade in last two years. Paid $5M,$5M,$4.5M,$4M.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:39 am EST

Can't find the link, but someone on twitter is saying limited no-trade clause (11 teams) last 2 years of the deal.

hipcheck


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:29 am EST

Picture of future former Ranger Evander Kane: https://twitter.com/AaronBesecker/status/756509264827576320/photo/1

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:18 am EST

We could get Kane realty cheap now:) ....Per The Buffalo News ‏@TheBuffaloNews .... BREAKING: #Sabres forward Evander Kane arrested on misdemeanor criminal trespass charge in bar incident

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 10:08 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie ..... Deputy Daly confirms that 2017 buyout period will open before expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 9:58 am EST

I think this Kreider deal is a good one. Gets him through his prime years. Don't know what the movement clause will be yet so hopefully not too limiting. Now it's on him to finally step up into a true top 6 wing.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 22 2016 9:14 am EST

Per Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie...... Told Kreider insisted on 4 yrs as opposed to 5. That's why AAV is lower than Palmieri. Gets to UFA 1 yr earlier though it will be lockout yr

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 9:00 am EST

If the Rangers do get Shattenkirk then either Klien or Mcilrath would probably be on the move too. I don't think Staal or Giradi go anywhere this year. If one of them could be moved then Gorton will have himself a very good summer.

tlats


Fri Jul 22 2016 8:57 am EST

Nice, congrats' NYR and Kreider!! Hopefully the no trade possibility isn't too restrictive in the last 2 years of the deal.

hipcheck


Fri Jul 22 2016 8:55 am EST

With the Kreider deal done and it is a good deal for both the Rangers and for Kreider.I have a feeling it's gonna be Nash for Shattenkirk with the Rangers either retaining money on Nash maybe 1 million per for the remainder of Nash 's contract or adding in a draft pick or 2nd teir prospect.

tlats


Fri Jul 22 2016 8:41 am EST

General Fanager ‏@generalfanager ..... With Kreider at 4 yrs @ $4.625M per @NHL_AaronWard, #NYR have est. $6.025M in cap space with roster of 12F/8D/2G.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 8:30 am EST

Aaron Ward ‏@NHL_AaronWard 29s29 seconds ago ..... NYR and Chris Kreider 4.625 AAV /4 years. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 8:29 am EST

Per Andy Graziano: The Rangers may not be finished after the Derick Brassard – Mika Zibanejad trade. Hearing that they are back in on Blues defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 22 2016 6:21 am EST

I'm not a huge SHATTENKIRK fan, but he's less of an adventure than YANDLE. Comparatively speaking, Shatty is downright responsible in his own end. He would certainly plug a BIG hole in the roster, which is to strengthen the team on the right side...Personally, I think Shatty's cost coupled with his contract status and age will keep the Rangers at bay...I see them making a similar move as the BRASSARD move...then again, I've read that the Blues are pretty much in an untenable position with Shatty. They made the decision to move on, pushed hard to trade him during the draft and the run up to free agency...and now that they haven't gotten the offer they want, they're faced with bringing a guy into camp who knows he'll be changing teams sometime before July 2.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 6:13 am EST

HIGGY and OLA: From the second the Rangers acquired him it was clear that YANDLE was not the answer. It isn't that the Rangers (or anyone that didn't want YANDLE resigned) didn't like PMD as OLA continually insists. The issue is that YANDLE simply wasn't that good. At his current age and at the level of his play signing him to a huge long term contact would have been stupid. The ONLY strength in YANDLE's game is his first pass. That is it. He sucks in his own end. And for an :"offensive defenseman" he really wasn't very good in the offensive end either. He isn't a guy like COFFEE or LEETCH who were dynamic players in the offensive end. Those guys were deadly on the rush and they could go deep into the offensive zone and create. YANDLE doesn't do that. He doesn't even join the rush late and get scoring chances like KLEIN does regularly. He just doesn't have those instincts. YANDLE on the PP was another source of frustration. He doesn't shoot and he doesn't create. He just moves the puck back and forth along the point or to the open forward at the top of the circle. If the Rangers are going to invest in an offensive defenseman I want someone who is dynamic in the offensive zone because that is what the Rangers lack. They lack creativity from the back line.......and YANDLE didn't provide any either.

Vic


Fri Jul 22 2016 6:05 am EST

Agree with Bob, re: FOWLER. E, I agree he's improved since he was drafted...but the reason his name keeps coming up is because he's slipped down the depth chart for Anaheim's D. VATAANAN and LINDHOLM are a head of him...and THEODORE is picking up the rear. Their future puck mover is this kid MONTOUR...if the Ducks could get any value out of Fowler, he'd be traded by now.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 6:02 am EST

Higgy - You're going to run into all kinds of issues if you're basing the salary of a young power forward off an puck-moving specialist defenseman...but let's just dip into this for a second...What exactly are you basing your statement about YANDLE on? His point production? His ability to move the puck? Those are the only two things I can pick out about his game to say this guy is worth the contract he landed. The guy scored nearly half his points(and goals) on the PP. And yet the Rangers PP only marginally improved...he lead the team in turnovers and was one of only two regular players(three if you count GLASS) to have a negative differential...And something I just learned...the guy had one of the worst shooting percentages on the team...he was toward the bottom of the team in hits...How is he worth a $6.5 million contract over SIX(!!) years? And would you say it was a coincidence that during his first full season on the Rangers' blueline that the Rangers defense --a bedrock on which the team's success was built over the past five years --was the worst it's been since the 2003-2004 lockout? You folks griping about Yandle seriously need to reevaluate. I will say this about him: In the right situation, he could be an asset. If your D is extremely strong on the right and built tough on the left, he'd slide nicely into a specialist role. But on the Rangers he was an awful fit...I'm not gonna say KRIEDER is worth $4.75 million quite yet, but I'd have no problem giving him that contract over five years rather than the one the Kitties gave Yandle. At least Krieder brings something other than a boatload of assists to the table.

tdchi


Fri Jul 22 2016 5:43 am EST

At this point, I'd be willing to move both Stepan and Kreider to Minny in an expanded deal... maybe something like Stepan, Kreider, and Klein (and maybe a mid-range prospect) for Matt Dumba, Mikael Granlund, Nino Niederreiter, and Alex Tuch.

evets1980


Fri Jul 22 2016 5:31 am EST

Higgy- This franchise do not believe in puck-moving defensemens. All kind of flaws can be tolerated, but god forbid if a D isn't perfect defensively.

Ola


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:55 pm EST

What is the problem w/ Yandles contract? The years? Bc if Kreider is worth 4.75 mil now, then Yandle is definitely worth 6.35... The fact that we have all this cap space w/ no significant free agents out there, how is Yandle not a NYR?? Big Mistake, he is better than both Shattenkirk or Fowler

Higgy21


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:52 pm EST

E/RF4L- Having already dealt BRASS, I don't think that STEPAN is in play for the RANGERs..A deal of Stepa/ ? for Coyle/Dumba would leave ZIBA and COYE as your top two centers.....No way.........I see them taking the chance on HAYES to go with STEP and Z (and saying FU to FOs)and there's always the chance of MILLER moving back to C....I think the guys that might be in play to help bring back an offensive D-man...are NASH, maybe Kreider (unfortuantely), Mcilrath (ditto), and mybe Staal.....we shall see,,Keep an eye on Minn, Buff, ANaheim and St. Louis.

Hospo


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:48 pm EST

E--Have to disagree on Fowler. He is excellent moving the puck forwards and on the PP point. But he is an adventure in his own end. Saw him live about 30 times last season and he pulls some real head scratching moves in the back. The Ducks are stacked with young d-men, and word around them was someone was going. Early on, it looked to be Vatanen but they signed him so the most likely guy outbound seems to be Fowler. Anaheim went hard after Hall to play wing with Perry/Getzlaf but Chiarelli told them Fowler was "not enough" to get him and wanted Larsson instead.

Bob


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:10 pm EST

Just for clarification, I don't see how we can give Anaheim what they'd want for Fowler nor do I think they really want to move him at all. Would I send Stepan to Minn for Dumba and Coyle? Absolutely. I simply don't know what the NYR would have to do in order to get that blue line sorted but I think it's all pretty self evident. It'll be interesting to see what if anything might be possible here. But sometimes you just don't have what it takes to get what you need.

E


Thu Jul 21 2016 9:12 pm EST

And Fowler will cost the Rangers something like Stepan. Reasonable I suppose, but then who's the other top 6 center? Hayes? Not gonna work. Now something like Stepan and Fast to the Wild for Coyle and Dumba makes more sense IMO. Or something like that.

RF4L


Thu Jul 21 2016 9:08 pm EST

E: To me Shittenkick sounds like a Gorther move - he'll cost too much in assets (I mean who do think the Blues will accept for him - Girardi and Fast? Ahh, I don't think so - more like McI and Buch). He'll then end up with a long term bloated contract. No thanks. I want another deal like the one we saw this week. If there's nothing like that out there, toe the line.

RF4L


Thu Jul 21 2016 7:54 pm EST

Wild: no disrespect but have you seen Fowler play? He's become a very solid all the way around. He plays in all situations. He's arguably their best defenseman. He's rounded up more as a better offensively skilled Ryan McD type. He's solid in all three zones. But I don't think the Ducks are too keen to move him. Believe me, he's no bust. I don't know where that perception came from. That kid is a hell of a good hockey player who is getting better all the time. Brian Leetch he is not. of course.

E


Thu Jul 21 2016 7:26 pm EST

Hipcheck/Wild... Kreider can not have a NMC or NTC in the first two years of his deal as those are RFA years. it's not allowed by the CBA.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 21 2016 7:16 pm EST

Fowler is like a shadow compared to the other two mentioned in that last post. I don't want anything to do with Fowler, he was supposed to be a top end offensive Dman...at least thats why everyone was upset that the Rangers didn't draft him....and he literally has almost the same production points wise as McD for a career average. I remember people saying that the Rangers missed out on their next great Leech type D or something about needing a top offensive producer from the blueline...Fowler isn't a great defensive Dman and isn't a great offensive Dman...it looks like the Ranger scouts may have seen signs of that and skipped him....IMHO GOOD! I wouldn't want an offensive Dman that can't out average McD....

Wildcard


Thu Jul 21 2016 6:25 pm EST

RF: someone has got to be able to produce in the blue line. We all worry about some of the pedestrian nature of the blue line well... For all his warts Yandle carried the puck be put it in sticks. They are essentially the punchless defense that drove us nuts before Yandle minus Stralman. So, I do want Shattenkirk as long as he has signed an extension as part of a trade. I do want Tyson Barrie if he's available. I REALLY want Fowler so we can fix the mistake of that draft year. Or whoever else. You wanna play a possession game and play fast? You need defenseman who have that skillset. I don't know who it is and I'm just spitballing names but I'd like to see this locked up long term with a guy that has good years in front of them. Who knows if that is gonna happen.

E


Thu Jul 21 2016 4:30 pm EST

I don't get the continual rumours about Shittenkirk. Stay away - makes zero sense when you're looking to get younger and have cap space. He's basically a rental anyways unless you wanna cough up Yandleway money. No thanks......

RF4L


Thu Jul 21 2016 4:22 pm EST

if they offered 3.25 and 4.75 , they are not looking to trade unspecial k.....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 21 2016 4:01 pm EST

GIRARDI: Senseless to be talking about trading Girardi since a good GM never sells low... Girardi was playing with a freaking cracked knee cap and concussion last year.. he was major injuried and his play reflected the immobility caused by playing on one leg... he will rebound... I would trade Klein however... simply to make room for MciIrath and get a younger faster player... plus gain cap space to try and sign Wisneiwski to a 1 yaer deal...

schneidw


Thu Jul 21 2016 3:41 pm EST

Hospo, me thinks there is some value in moving Girardi contract off the books.

mf


Thu Jul 21 2016 2:52 pm EST

TRADE KREIDER?? NO FREAKING WAY!!

schneidw


Thu Jul 21 2016 2:37 pm EST

Also in this league the longer you put off a contract the more expensive it becomes. Because comparables are increasing much faster than the rate the Cap is rising. I really feal the Rangers have hurt themselves with all these bridge contracts they have been doing over the years. Some guys you have to just take the chance and lock them up early. They have less leverage for extras like a NMC. Plus when said contract is running out the player is still young enough to trade at a good sellers price.

NYStranger


Thu Jul 21 2016 2:10 pm EST

I also think that in this cap world a 2-4 year deal at roughly 5-million is money well spent for the NYR.

E


Thu Jul 21 2016 2:08 pm EST

Kreider is streaky. I think he needs to emulate Corey Perry who I think has a similar skill set sans the speed. Just get out there, get under the skin, and know when to turn it off. He does get under players skins but he isn't consistent enough at doing it. When he gets going he creates a lot of emotion on the ice and that emotion translates into better success for him. Corey Perry is a pest. He never shuts up, he always has gloves in faces, snow showers the goalie, and knows to stay away from the fights for the most part. He can sucker you into the bad penalty. He just hasn't seemed to find that right balance yet. Hopefully, he will. I think that's when he is at his best. It looks like JT is figuring that out as well. He can be a real dick. These two should be drawing penalties in a way that Wade Simmonds does. Wade is an honest player but he is there all game long, with the pushing and shoving, face washes and then he knows how to skate it off before he gets the hook. I think CK is still finding it. I still question his hands but I think his best skill is scoring at speed off the rush. He is a handful if he can get a leg over the defender and get his shoulder into the defenders chest. He just is so strong that he drives the defender off balance. And you see it. You see the defenders less willing to challenge him at the blue line in favor of backing in so he doesn't beat you to the outside. But when his legs stop churning he is useless out there.

E


Thu Jul 21 2016 1:54 pm EST

Hospo: Agree...if Kreider were to be moved, than it better be as part of a monster trade that will make them better overall or bring something that would change up the team in a good way....for instance, Kreider for Landeskog or something.....anything less than that would be a silly thing to do.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 21 2016 1:47 pm EST

hip: I think the Rangers would try their best to ensure there was not a NTC/NMC for next year in order to make the expansion draft more flexible. I mentioned yesterday that perhaps a modified NTC in the last 2-3 years of a 5 year deal since the Rangers likely wouldn't move him in the first 2-3 years of a 5 year deal anyway if they decided to sign him like that, so it would give him some control of where he goes at the end of the deal.

Wildcard


Thu Jul 21 2016 1:39 pm EST

And, once again, dealing Kreider will be a disaster

Hospo


Thu Jul 21 2016 1:38 pm EST

MF - My feeling all along has been that they will get a RH offensive D-man, and will look towards Girardi as, intially, a 3rd pair D-man with mcilrath likely to either be a 7th D-man or traded.....I just don't think Girardi has trade value now....Doesn't preclude a trade of STAAL though with SKEJJ and HOLDEN backing up MCD on the LHS..

Hospo


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:58 am EST

Need to move or have moves in place for (RHS) Girardi & secondly M.Staal before entertaining an acquisition like Shattenkirk....... Unless G-d forbid they're trading McIlrath.....

mf


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:45 am EST

No idea why we would swap Kreider for Shattenkirk. Makes no sense to me

RDW


Thu Jul 21 2016 11:42 am EST

Rumor Roundup: Shattenkirk possible target for Rangers after Brassard trade.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-shattenkirk-possible-target-for-rangers-after-brassard-trade/

mf


Thu Jul 21 2016 10:40 am EST

The hard cap does nothing positive for the sport or league. Hurts us fans, hurts older UFAS hurts attracting players from Russia and Europe. The hard cap is much too simplified. An MLB style soft cap with a tax would work much better.

NYStranger


Thu Jul 21 2016 10:33 am EST

Rhet......I think Kreider can become a beast in this League, just don't think it happens with AV.

MelvilleFred


Thu Jul 21 2016 10:21 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/colorado-re-signs-mikhail-grigorenko-still-has-work-to-do/

mf


Thu Jul 21 2016 9:36 am EST

GENE: Agreed. However, IMHO when I look at all of the big 4 sports and how they implement the concept of a Salary Cap I think Major League Baseball's system is probably the best. Their Soft Cap approach doesn't impede player movement and it doesn't force veterans out of the game. It also doesn't cause the nonsense that we see in football with massive front loaded contracts that are designed so that players rarely play out the life of that contract. Most NFL players are cut during their contract. That system is just an ugly mess. MLB allows teams to go over the Cap. They just pay a "luxury tax" for doing it. And that tax is used to support less financially capable franchises, put into a pension fund or allocated in some other way.

Vic


Thu Jul 21 2016 9:32 am EST

If Kreider signs long term (4 or 5 years), what is your guys prediction on possible no trade/no movement/limited no movement, etc. ?

hipcheck


Thu Jul 21 2016 9:18 am EST

meet in the middle $5 mil per for 4 or 5 years...end of the story if those are the real numbers....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 21 2016 7:20 am EST

Nick: The ice will not be level until the cap is indexed. Corporate employees for multi state operations have different pay scales for different geographies that factor in cost of living (that includes tax rates). This is not impossible or difficult to do. ER staffs do it all the time. As it stands now, teams in Florida and Pittsburg for example have a definite cap advantage over teams in the Metropolitan area.

gene_carr


Thu Jul 21 2016 6:25 am EST

"The parties are in ongoing negotiations concerning a four- or five-year deal that would buy out No. 20’s first two or three years of unrestricted free agency. It is believed the Rangers are offering in the neighborhood of $4.75 million per with Kreider seeking approximately $5.25 million per. The Rangers have approximately $10.325 million of available cap space pending agreements with Kreider and Kevin Hayes, whose arbitration case is scheduled for July 27. That number presupposes a shadow roster of two goaltenders, seven defensemen and 14 forwards. The forwards include Oscar Lindberg (who is expected to be on IR for the first month of the season), Pavel Buchnevich, Nathan Gerbe, Tanner Glass and Josh Jooris as well as the obvious incumbents.".............http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/the-long-term-deal-gulf-facing-rangers-kreider-before-hearing/

stevielegs


Thu Jul 21 2016 5:05 am EST

Nick I call bs .... Bernie sanders ...

stevielegs


Wed Jul 20 2016 10:15 pm EST

I like the hard cap. It forced the NYR to make hockey decisions rather than back up the Brink's truck to a lonnnnnng list of decomposing stiffs, the approach that led to the dark ages of 1998-2005. If you know which end of a hockey stick goes on the ice, you can cap-manage: Hawks, Kings, Lightning. Of course sucking eggs for a few years and drafting Kane and Toews helps. Plus I don't like seeing teams that can't and will never compete because of money. Now the ice is level, more or less.

Nick


Wed Jul 20 2016 9:23 pm EST

Speaking of Brad Richards, Down Goes Brown ‏was very prophetic with their 'Ranger State of Mind' parody song. It also says it all about the Sather years.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCQ9ismr3Tk

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 20 2016 8:50 pm EST

Getting to know Josh Jooris...... http://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/jooris-signs-in-the-big-apple-i-saw-a-great-opportunity

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 20 2016 8:15 pm EST

The NYR are allegedly still interested in Girgensons, but not necessarily as part of a Nash deal. Then of course there's the Shattenkirk rumors that just wont go away.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 20 2016 7:38 pm EST

Nash and BUF have even linked since before the Draft. Not sure if its just a made up rumor that now has a life of its own, or if there is some smoke there.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 20 2016 7:02 pm EST

TRADE RUMOUR: not the most credible source.... remember I posted the Nash/Girardi trade idea (both TOR area natives) to Buffalo for Kane and Rutsillenean?? I made it up so it gets filed under fantasy deal.... https://sabrenoise.com/2016/07/20/buffalo-sabres-linked-to-rick-nash/

schneidw


Wed Jul 20 2016 6:52 pm EST

The question is kid k still preoccupied with his studies or is he ready to become man k. ? Or jethro bodine of the Beverly hillbillies ...watch some Jagr video and Wtfu .... Become special k ....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 20 2016 6:23 pm EST

Congrats to Brad Richards on his retirement. He meant a lot to the growth of Stean and Brass. That said, I can't help but mention that the Retired Brad Richards will earn $5,055,556 this year from his #NYR buyout, and a total of $14.55M from now until 2025-26 season. Nice 401K there :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 20 2016 6:20 pm EST

Rhet: That's why a 1 year deal is wiser for the Rangers. That said if Kreider believes he's finally ready and capable of elevating his game, it's his best option, too. . IMO, given his uneven play to date, a 1 year deal is a bigger risk for him.

RF4L


Wed Jul 20 2016 6:14 pm EST

The thing about Kreider is you have to decide, has he hit his ceiling or is there more? I wish I could say with a resounding yes that he hasn't hit his ceiling yet, but the guy just disappears too much during the season to be sure.I have more confidence that Z-bad has a higher ceiling that he hasn't hit yet. I'm not looking to move Kreider, but I sure hope this contract doesn't come back to bite us in the @ss in a couple of years.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 20 2016 5:08 pm EST

mf - the only one of those guys I know anything about is John GILMOUR(no relation if you're curious). Played for a great team and a great coach(Nate Leamon) and could be worth a sniff...the kid DiPAULI maybe. He played with FOGARTY and put up better numbers than him and another kid --Mario LUCIA --who I like...so I'd give him a sniff too...Quentin SHORE is also interesting...has a bunch of brothers already in the NHL and didn't put up bad numbers at UDenver. Never seen him play...but none of them are even in the same stratosphere as VESEY, much less near his level. They're guys who could try-out and maybe make the AHL, not walk onto an NHL team...And that's coming from someone who doesn't necessarily think Vesey is worth even a fraction of the hype he's getting...These are guys who were probably not offered contracts by their draft team....I can't see any of them having the balls to test free agency...As for the rest of the guys he listed? Pure scrubs.

tdchi


Wed Jul 20 2016 4:41 pm EST

TD/RF: alternate markets: http://blueseatblogs.com/2016/07/20/august-15th-not-just-jimmy-vesey-day/#more-39521

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 4:39 pm EST

I would say fair for Kreider, taking 3 years of UFA would be to give him 5 years 25 mil, same as what Brass was given. Maybe to offset his losing 3 years of UFA you give him a limited NTC for the last 2 years, let him have a list of 10 teams he will NOT take a trade to those years. Makes it that he can ask for a trade or the Rangers can move him those years and it allows them flexibility for the expansion draft next year....but gives him some security since likely they will not move him the next couple years regardless.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 20 2016 4:37 pm EST

BTW while I don't know enough about Zebanejhad to really say if I love the deal or not. Looks good from what I have read. I am encouraged in that the Rangers do seem motivated to retool the team for real and not just sign window dressing or fourth liners which was what last year pretty much was. And look at last years results! So bravo to Gorther and Co. in doing what needs to be done- improving the team while getting younger, cheaper, and not making a move for moves sake.

NYStranger


Wed Jul 20 2016 4:35 pm EST

Hip: Does he wear the A when he is n IR as well? I think his body is done...specifically his ankle....we had one guy have a chronic ankle thing, Drury, how ankles and knees just stopped repairing and healing. Forseberg was was same way with the AVS, he tried to keep playing but there was nothing left. Prust I think will never be able to play the way he used to, and will not make it near a full season again

Wildcard


Wed Jul 20 2016 4:32 pm EST

Td, I have said here many time, the Salary Cap hurts us fans first and foremost. A hard cap is an even worse idea. Why can't they cut players like the NFL? Total BS IMO. You loose good young players because of a bad contract to a guy like Girardi? Just turns me off from the NHL. How would we react if our young core gets gutted in the next 3-5 years because of stupid contracts. It makes it real tough on management as well. Not only are you evaluating talent but balancing who might blossom into a great player, do you lock him up early or wait and see? Maybe to then have to overpay or loose said player? Like the Kreider deal right now. It really sucks for us fans.

NYStranger


Wed Jul 20 2016 3:58 pm EST

I MAKE room for Prust on this roster. Period, end of story!! Phenomenal Team Player with Character, LEADERSHIP and a proven track record here! Had a little Adam Graves Heart & Soul in him. Slap an "A" on his sweater when Staal is dealt. My God what a (((Jolt))) that signing would provide.

hipcheck


Wed Jul 20 2016 3:57 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/the-long-term-deal-gulf-facing-rangers-kreider-before-hearing/

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 3:57 pm EST

Congrats to Brad RICHARDS on a long and distinguished career. My only regret is that he didn't win either of his cups as a Ranger. Wish he could have finished his career here too...A class act who was chased out of town because of the ridiculous nature of the salary cap.

tdchi


Wed Jul 20 2016 3:39 pm EST

A Ranger's mention here: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/down-goes-brown-five-expected-moves-that-havent-happened-yet/

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:55 pm EST

pay now or pay more later...most teams seem to be locking young guys up to avoid losing them , and paying more later...the nyr do the opposite....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:44 pm EST

STEVIE: $2.6 Mil.

Vic


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:41 pm EST

how much did they pay him last season ?

stevielegs


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:37 pm EST

MF: How about a 1 year deal at $4.25 Mil. That compensates KREIDER for some of the risk. As much money as it sounds like he could make on a long term deal now, if he has a big year he could make 50% to 75% more. That is pretty tempting.

Vic


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:19 pm EST

MF -But, just like any "sport" it's all about Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money....The Agents and NHL PA association make sure about that...there are exceptions but They more often than not will take the chance for future higher riches even with visions of sugar plums dancing in their head

Hospo


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:11 pm EST

How many times does someone wave $21.25 million for 5 yrs worth of work in your face? As they say on the street, " there's Bulls, Bears, & pigs, & pigs get slaughtered!" Right puckyou?

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:04 pm EST

Vic: Yep and that's why I said this solution is better for the Rangers. Their risk is seeing him bust out and having the pay thru the nose next summer vs him busting out and being under contract for a more reasonable cost. Kreider's risk is higher, as you explained it. For him, however, it's high risk and high reward.

RF4L


Wed Jul 20 2016 2:02 pm EST

MF: LOL. I got distracted in the middle of my response. Yes, KREIDER is taking a risk if he signs a 1 year deal. But he could hit the jackpot if he puts in 30 or more goals this year. How much do you believe in yourself? How much risk are you willing to accept?

Vic


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:52 pm EST

Houston, a minute too late! ;-)

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:50 pm EST

RF4L: I agree but KREIDER would be taking a big risk in doing that. If he gets seriously hurt this year and cannot demonstrate that he has taken the next step it will be a double whammy. He won't have any leverage and he will have to try to overcome the concerns about recovering from his injury. It is great from the Rangers perspective for sure.

Vic


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:49 pm EST

Bull-Cookies: Comparable contracts are being handed out and Kreider's asking is not too out of line (IMO) The The two sides are $1.55mill apart, if the Rangers met him 2/3rds of the way there to say $4.25mill and locked the kid up for 5 of the primest years of his career, WITHOUT an NMC OR NTC I think that would be a good deal for both parties.... Kreider is taking a lot of risk to injury & performance, and the Rangers are risking shelling out substantially more $$$$ too.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/marcus-johanssons-three-year-13-75-million-deal-a-good-compromise-for-capitals/

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:48 pm EST

to have to face..

Hospo


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:47 pm EST

RF4L - yep, it's a problem you want to have face...You want Kreider, Ziba, Miller and Hayes and others to improve and play so good where the money hurts....Hopefully their salaries will replace the bad contracts the couild go out the door over the next year or two (Girardi, Staal, Nash)

Hospo


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:37 pm EST

Vic: Which makes perfect sense on both sides, but especially the Rangers. I realize a breakout season by Kreider will mean significantly higher dollars this time next summer (and longer term) but at least they will be paying for what they are getting. It will be interesting to watch how the seasons for K and Z unfold. They both break out and the Rangers will looking at a combined $12,000,000 to $14,000,000 cap hit for several years. Tough but exciting to ponder because it means both will have taken a big step forward in their maturation and careers.

RF4L


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:12 pm EST

PAT LEONARD was on NHL radio yesterday. He said he believes that the Rangers and KREIDER are going to agree on a 1 year deal before the arbitration hearing. The deal won't take KREIDER to UFA status. That was the key. He believes that both KREIDER and the Rangers would prefer to negotiate on a long term deal after next season. KREIDER wants to put up bigger numbers so he can get a bigger long term deal then he would be able to get now, and the Rangers want to make sure he shows he is capable of that before they invest in him.

Vic


Wed Jul 20 2016 12:39 pm EST

MF: It's either a 1 or 2 year term, unless they sign him long term before the hearing.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jul 20 2016 12:13 pm EST

NN: any mention of term? t/y

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 12:06 pm EST

Salary Arbitration numbers New York Rangers/ Chris Kreider. Club offer $3.2M / Player asking $4.75M

DOUBLEN


Wed Jul 20 2016 12:02 pm EST

Well everyone clamoring for changes.. but they have to be the "right" change.. and the Brassard trade is feeling right.. bigger, younger with upside to explore + a 2nd round pick .. Good Job imo

sjw


Wed Jul 20 2016 11:10 am EST

Jooris cost's us $600K per, do we need T.Glass at $1.45 mill per? Survey says, "no."

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 11:09 am EST

Pass on Hudler please...

RF4L


Wed Jul 20 2016 11:06 am EST

Pass on Prust please..........

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 11:02 am EST

TD: What I do know about Prust is that his body is breaking down - he's 32 and his style, as we all know, is detrimental to his body. I suspect that's the biggest reason teams aren't knocking down his door to sign him. Can he remain injury free and still be effective (which I think means he needs to be physical)? Common sense says no - it's only going to get worse, not better. That doesn't mean, however, a TO offer is senseless. I think we are seeing the same sort of thing with Dan Girardi (and a big reason why I was against 2 years ago resigning him). Prust and Girardi don't play the same way of course but they are very similar in terms of the physical abuse they have subjected their bodies to. It's rare thing indeed when a player who continually sacrifices his body rolls into his 30s and doesn't slow down.

RF4L


Wed Jul 20 2016 10:46 am EST

Hospo: as the days pass it seems more & more imperative to get these two remaining Bozos signed.... Looks like we are once again like we're filling up with mediocre redundancy on the bottom six to the point where we need to move some out, bundle 2 for trade.... Specifically, do we need Gerbe if we have Fast? Why is Tanner Glass filling a roster spot when the 12th & 13th slot could be for bringing a newbe such as Jensen, Hrivik, etc in & out of the lineup for a taste of NHL experience? ..... Sign JIRI HUDLER !!!!! Quality veteran (at 32 y/o) player, certainly a 2nd - 3rd line talent to push guys sideways and down into rolls more suitable until we see the season unfold and let the performers earn their way up the lines.. Hudler should be good for a minimum of 40 points (.50 ppg) and could be had for a song.... We have the $$ room for him now... WTF?

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 10:41 am EST

I'm a HUGE fan of PRUST...and I'll be honest, I haven't seen jack of him since he went out west. But when I suggested maybe the Rangers grab him off of waivers, the Wall's western contingent roundly groaned in agreement that his best days are at least a couple years behind him...but frankly this is a guy I'd never have an issue with joining my roster...But that said, I highly doubt the Rangers tweak their bottom six any more than they already have. Maybe Pruster gets a try-out offer. The article sure makes it sound like he expects to be in the NHL next year.

tdchi


Wed Jul 20 2016 10:25 am EST

MF - It's possible, guys like Girardi, Staal and Mcilrath can be used in the deal for a Offensive D-man, but I still think it's more likely thatat least one of the forwards go....maybe both?....We'll have to wait and see....As for the lineup to start the season, I think the huge keys after trades is if BUCH is ready from the get go (ditto, but less important, for Jensen)...

Hospo


Wed Jul 20 2016 10:20 am EST

"IF" the Rangers do get the opportunity to move Girardi & or Staal, we don't necessarily need to move Nash / Kreider / Hayes unless we're getting a forward/s back in return & need to clear room.... Adding in one of those three may enable us to bring in higher talent than what we're trading away, and isn't that one of the motivations anyway? ..... Trading or demoting T.Glass & Gerbe, start the season with Lindberg on the LTIR list, and trading a forward leaves us a slot for an incoming forward........ How's your Rubic's cube this morning? ;-)

mf


Wed Jul 20 2016 10:13 am EST

The only move that now matters for the Rangers is what offensive D-man do they pick up and who (Nash? hayes? Kreider?) is given up in the deal...This will be the make or break deal, not the Brass-Z deal which I liked and will help the make-up of the but will be fairly even for the short term

Hospo


Wed Jul 20 2016 9:17 am EST

I'd take prust over glass any day

stevielegs


Wed Jul 20 2016 8:51 am EST

Given AV's distaste for aggressive play I suspect the answer is a flat out NO but I'd certainly be willing to give this guy a TO deal: http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/07/19/after-offseason-ankle-surgery-prust-prepared-to-earn-a-contract/

RF4L


Wed Jul 20 2016 7:04 am EST

Thanks GENE: I've said it several times here that the only way HAYES will ever meet his potential is if he works hard on his skating, quickness and conditioning. If he is finally doing that I am interested to see how it translates to his play this fall.

Vic


Wed Jul 20 2016 6:54 am EST

Vic: The info came from our inside man Boomer E. Pretty reliable source.

gene_carr


Wed Jul 20 2016 5:47 am EST

the reason for diaz and the year before hunwick, playing 7 d was because capt fugitive hop-along parmenter had no business being in the lineup. ....the coach and him are perfect together....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 20 2016 1:35 am EST

Shortly after the Derick Brassard/Mika Zibanejad trade was announced, Renaud Lavoie tweeted that the two sides started talking at the draft and that the "trade didn't happen before because of a $2M bonus Derick Brassard had to receive on July 15."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:45 pm EST

E - As usual i was talking out of my ass when talking about the PP opportunities so I thought I'd look at the stats..Lo and Behold, the Rangers indeed finished DEAD LAST in the NHL in Power Play Opportunities, hiighling the overall weak team play.....Draw much more penalties and ev en with an average PP, you'l l do damage..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:39 pm EST

And so we have come full circle. Anyone know if Buch can play the point?

E


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:12 pm EST

E - But to score on the PP you have to get on the PP...And that is usually the team that is faster to the puck..faster to the battle..and holding on to the puck more..So, it really isn't just special teams...And the Rangers got hit with the double whammy last year...they couldn't kill pemnaties...and they didn't hold the puck enough nor were they first to the puck to draw the penalties..At least for major parts of the season..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:12 pm EST

E - But to score on the PP you have to get on the PP...And that is usually the team that is faster to the puck..faster to the battle..and holding on to the puck more..So, it really isn't just special teams...And the Rangers got hit with the double whammy last year...they couldn't kill pemnaties...and they didn't hold the puck enough nor were they first to the puck to draw the penalties..At least for major parts of the season..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:04 pm EST

TD: I didn't have any issue with the Diaz tap. They weren't getting any offense whatsoever 5-5. They weren't even generating shots. So, with his last grasp he tried to spark the PP because that's the only way they had a chance. It failed. And in the offseason they parted ways with their best option on the blue line and replaced him with (insert cricket sounds here.) and as much as we saw how the PK decimated them all season, and hopefully it's improved. BUT when I look at the last few SCF teams they were popping off at a .25 on the PP. it's really true. Games in the playoffs nowadays are won and lost on special teams. Especially, now that we are seeing these hyper transition defensive squads that give up a shot that never makes it on net and is sent the other way. This is not my opinion necessarily in the sense that I'm speaking from authority but the guys on NHL XM have talked about this extensively. I happen to agree. But alas Diaz is no longer here and Groton has yet to address the biggest Achilles heal going in. And we will suffer some tough nights and angry wall banter.

E


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:23 pm EST

RF/Wild - with AV, I don't think you can apply a one-size-fits-all summary of his approach to youth...rather a case-by-case approach...I keep hearing that he's bad with kids etc...but I just can't really find the justification for that...I also can't see the justification in saying he disliked or dislikes either MILLER or MciLRATH... I think the guy takes a very pragmatic approach to call-ups...he doesn't put young guys into situations where they're going to fail. He seems to start them in roles where if they fail, it won't be epic...In Miller's case, I think the guy had a confidence problem. In Hartford, from the time he pulled on a jersey to his last game there he played with moxie..attitude...a flashy player...then he comes to MSG and starts playing like he's stick-handling with a grenade. I think AV dialed him back a bit...had him play a more simplified game than he was used to in order to let him get comfortable...McI? Well, what always gets lost in the conversation about his development is that the guy lost a year in juniors and basically a year and change at the AHL level to serious injury. The Rangers last season were between a rock and a hard place with him. Ideally, he would have either gone back to Hartford to skate big minutes or stayed with the club as a sixth defender...but he would have never made it down to Hartford without getting claimed...and in New York, the third pairing spot was usurped by Dan BOYLE, who had an established role in the locker room...AV benches him for long stretches and suddenly he has a malcontent with whom he can't move or bury in the AHL...The playoffs and going to DIAZ? That was a plain example of bad coaching, IMO. The guy was reeling...just grasping at straws...I don't think it was personal against McI. But who knows? I could be wrong...the fact...and in this case, it's indeed a FACT...is that McILrath is still a Ranger and just resigned for another year...he can't be sent to Hartford without going through waivers...he'll be a UFA unless he skates half the season...and in either case, the Rangers are well-cognizant that he'll end up getting claimed/signed...And that leads me to believe the Rangers, and AV by extension, see a future with McI.

tdchi


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:06 pm EST

mf - WISNIEWSKI has been with six organizations in eight years...one...the Ducks...twice during that time...Teams keep grabbing him with the hope he will become their quintessential puck mover...and with one season as the exception, he's faltered each time...in his defense, they guy has been destroyed with injuries...but if you're swapping GIRARDI out for Wiz? You're pretty much asking for trouble.

tdchi


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:57 pm EST

Wild: McI vs MIller and how AV's approach - I've responded to your argument at least 3 times but will again for the last time. AV's treatment of Miller has similar traits but 1) Miller was given considerably more chances vs McI 2) Those numerous chances all too often showed an immature player prone to inexplicable (but perhaps youth/inexperience related) brain farts - McI has yet to be granted such chances 3) AV 2 years ago had no choice but to play 2 call-ups from Hartford on the backline due to injuries and those 2 were Kostagoal and McI. The former was (is) a veteran AHLer and who was a nightmare in his first few games yet when AV had but 1 of the 2 to play (when one of the injured came back) he choose Kostagoal (who continued to suck and since then has gone back to where he belongs - in the AHL). 4) Boyle and Girardi both sucked for far too long yet AV kept playing both while McI rotted in the pressbox. With Miller, when AV deemed him unworthy, always had the option and often used it, to send him down and play others. 5) Diaz sucks, didn't play a single game until the POs (after McI was fine in his only PO game and the only game the Rangers won against Pittsburgh) yet AV kept McI in the pressbox. Miller never was subjected to such bullshit. If you still want to say the situations are similar....well...well...that's just STUPID!

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:46 pm EST

Oh _Archole! You're such a poet!

tdchi


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:45 pm EST

Brooksie having the Rangers back a little.....Also glad to see somebody in the press talking about the Rangers likely big problem in the FO circle

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:35 pm EST

Dealing Kid K will be a huge mistake..Light's gonna go on big time this year to go with the,Speed and power....Don't do it Gorther ......Deal Lazy Hayes instead.

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:30 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/19/no-senators-didnt-fleece-rangers-they-were-just-cheap/

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:23 pm EST

E..of course anyone watching Kreider last season and a half would feel the same about him. Good skater but ((shrug)) ....IMHO

WIOSA


Tue Jul 19 2016 8:14 pm EST

Was that joan of arc or Noah's arc ? ... Squirrels find nuts ....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 8:09 pm EST

I know very little about Schwartz. Ive actually seen him play live and he didn't do anything that peaked an eyebrow. But I think he was playing with Tarasenko who eats up a lot of eye time.

E


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:50 pm EST

Nash and Kreids for Shatty and Schwartz is a rumor I've read few places . Schwartz and Kreids have comparable stats

puckyou


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:22 pm EST

EHHHHHHH. NUTS FOR US ALL!!!!! RF you get one, Stevie you get two- u smoke too much. Moof just one, old man you get one too, ........ Fuders!!!!!! York took the rest!!!!! Bastard! Can't even get a nut. Chicago I don't give nuts to you; you bad man (I think). Hmmmm. Wildcard and TD - those are football terms. Coincidence??? It's friggin Antonio cromartie trying to hide from all the baby momas!!!! Two independent 'hockey people' can't be wrong together so many times can they???? Sorry my bad, Nuts!

_Arc


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:17 pm EST

I'd be surprised if they traded CK unless they're gonna get a top-6 coming the other way. I think he is much more likely to be here then Nash. Using that roughly 4.5-5 mark, CK is good value in this economy.

E


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:03 pm EST

Events for whom? Trading Kreider would be asinine.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:03 pm EST

Events for whom? Trading Kreider would be asinine.

MelvilleFred


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:02 pm EST

Loved Klein from year 1..... Always marveled how a large number of Walsters kept wanting to trade him.......

MelvilleFred


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:01 pm EST

I have a feeling that Kreider will be a St. Louis Blue before Friday.

evets1980


Tue Jul 19 2016 5:55 pm EST

moof stop farthing in your sleep, your dreams will stink....wtfu....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 5:50 pm EST

Hospo, was thinking the same thing in that Klein is the type of D'man that may be able to play late into his 30's... Here's hoping so, as a Ranger!

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 5:16 pm EST

OLA/SCHNEIDW - I'm with MF on Kevin Klien..always been a huge fan but mainly just because I thought he was just a solid D-man..But the last year or two changed my mind..His game has improved year by year as a Ranger,.Not only is he a good D-man, he was the best all around d-man on the Rangers....And D-men like him age well....another 5-7 years..at high levels...If you care about winning, you keep him...No way you can take the chance of dealing him, and the RHS of your defense being a player TBD (likely an offensive guy, girard, clendennnig and Mcilrath....Unless the team has tanked, which may be a possibility....The goal should be to get rid of Staal (zero progress and improvement) and Girardi by next off-season..The sooner the better...Klein and/or MCD of the team wants to go into a rebuild

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 4:43 pm EST

Hearing Hayes may sign soon

puckyou


Tue Jul 19 2016 4:39 pm EST

WC: IMO Girardi is well worth $4mill per to the right club, he's just not worth $5mill per here in NY since we have 2 NMC's on the defense for guys we may like to leave unprotected for the Expansion Draft...... Come to think about it, Jooris, Grabner, Gerbe, Holland, Fast, should all fit the criteria for those we Need To Leave "unprotected." ..... We need to move one of Girardi or Staal otherwise consider buying one of them out at seasons end, and or trading or leaving Klein exposed......... Just thinkin out loud once again....

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 4:25 pm EST

mf: Rumors were that the Rangers were going to have to pick up close to 2 mil of his contract...I imagine that would be what it would take...+/- 2mil for the next 4 years. The best you can really hope for is a break even cap wise in moving Girardi. You may however find someone who will be better eventually, or at least be better than Giradi if not better than he was. Just like the trade for Z, he may not be as good as Brass this season, but over time he may be...they COULD MAYBE find another player that is not as impactful or as good now, but will become that later. That would be the best case scenario I think.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 4:19 pm EST

Phil Kessel brings Stanley Cup to Toronto, visits SickKids hospital (NO MENTION OF PIZZA) http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/phil-kessel-brings-stanley-cup-to-toronto-visits-sickkids-hospital/

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 4:16 pm EST

Wildcard, awakening from a dream only to read you is frightening! ;-) .... So we eat $1mill of Girardi's contract for the next four, it's the cost of mopping up the mess......

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 4:06 pm EST

OLA- I think so, AV keeps Big Mac on a very short leash.. when he does dress up, he hardly plays and really gets no quality playing time... Big Mac does make so really bad turnover mistakes and stupid penalties.. but I think he can improve if he just got the chance... he reminds me so much of Mike Sauer who was improving every year until Phaneuf ruined him with a cheap shot...

schneidw


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:59 pm EST

mf: yes...Girardi will waive to goto a team that will take on 100% of his contract and the flowers will bloom and the unicorn will gracefully trot through...WAKE UP! YOUR DREAMING

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:55 pm EST

Disagree on moving KLIEN.... What are you going to save $1.5mill at best? Yeah it adds up. Trade Girardi, sign a WISNEWSKI (RHS) to a 1-2 year deal, saves us $3.5-$4mill and frees up an NMC slot....... jmfhon

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:44 pm EST

Schneid- Does he have a lack of confidence in McI? McI had in principle not played hockey since like what November when he was sat in favor of Diaz. A few minutes here and there. Gorton must make room for McI.

Ola


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:40 pm EST

Agree on the trade Klein idea, he is just decent not good. There is a lot to his game that just isn't very effective, his value must be really high right now. Great advanced stats, great contract and so forth.

Ola


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:31 pm EST

AV: I struggle understanding AV's lack of confidence in Big MAC... At the same time, the NYR right defense of Girardi, Klein, and BIg Mac doesn't have any real solid puck movers/distributors... which hurts the team... Another reason to trade Klein (see my previous post).. the problem is finding a replacement and playing a rookie (Skjiei) on his off-wing his surely not the answer IMHO, kid is going to struggle as it is.. stupid to stunt his development

schneidw


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:12 pm EST

Bob: The Rangers needed the PP to get going...that was the idea being Diez, and they wanted better puck movement. Thats what Diez does. Not saying it was a good choice....but to base AV's feelings on a KID because he didn't play him in a playoff game is crazy...I really hope that if McIlrath is a regular art of the team this idea we can all read AV is put to rest. Even IF he doesn't use him and he is sent packing doesn't mean you can always read his thoughts based on how he handles a kid.I mean, its would be 50/50 chance based on history if it does happen...everyone was wrong about Miller, and even if they were right about McIlrath it would just be a bind squirrel finding a nut...

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 3:07 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/monahan-seeking-long-term-deal-says-he-wants-to-be-flame-for-rest-of-his-career/

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:44 pm EST

RF4L: Yea the situation is similar. Meaning there is precisely to show that AV treats young players like this but ends up using them full time once he feels they are ready. HOWEVER my biggest point in bringing up Miller is that this same stuff was said over and over and was wrong so that tells me we don't know how AV feels. I'm not even saying he likes him as much as Miller...just that due to how far off so many were about Miller situation there is no way people can know they are right on with AV. So saying certain moves will or will not happen based on the feelings AV has for a player is crazy. So as I was saying. Depending on what the teams feels and what AV's input is could make some moves more or less likely. Dismissing the possibility out of hand because we "know" how AV feels is just not intelligent

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:33 pm EST

LB saying now that the Rangers demanded the 2nd rounder when the Sens balked at paying Brassard his $2,000,000 bonus. Dorion said in his presser yesterday he diddled on purpose to push the deal consummation date past the bonus due date. If this is all true, good on Gorton, especially after giving up a first rounder to get the Yotes to eat a chunk of Yandleway's salary.

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:31 pm EST

GORTON; Way better deal than the trade of Hagelin.... I like Brassard but I understand the motivation for the trade and the return seems favorable... NEXT STEP: This will be unpopular on the wall, but I think Gorton has to trade KEVIN KLEIN... I like Klein, but the NYRs need to get younger, faster and cheaper and since Girardi has full NTC, the NYRs have to trade Klein while he has top value... he is already 29YO, solid but not spectacular, makes $2.9MY and is taking a spot on the NYR defense from McIirath... Risky trade because Girardi needs to recover to his 2014 play which is a reach... but if I am Gorton, that is where I look next, unless there is a way to trade Nash/Zucc...

schneidw


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:23 pm EST

STEVIE:. I have a few of those questions already in...;-)..…..GENE:. Where did you see that about HAYES losing 10 lbs and training hard? That was what I wanted to hear!

Vic


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:12 pm EST

pass the gas x please....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDVrmSEZEKg

ges999


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:12 pm EST

Wild: It's speculation yes, but based on observation. You are doing the exact same thing when you state that AV doesn't have an issue with McI and is just treating him like he did Miller. You're not on the inside any more than I (or anyone else is) so saying that's AV is treating both in the same way is nothing more than your own speculation/opinion.

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:10 pm EST

StinkyLegs: Watch your carbon footprint!

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:54 pm EST

Moof it was farthing , which was a 1/4 of a penny ... But don't ever let facts get in the way or misspelling and autocorrect ....right now the nyr are changing their starting lineup by 1/4-1/3 ... Don't be refooled again ... Who.....gas x geezer ...refart ...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:52 pm EST

GENE_CARR - Can't say I'm as positive as you on the new bottom six....The PK is better, but a bit too much redundncy for me (no need to sign Gerbe)........... there are alsp quite a few questions (FOs being a huge one)..................Grabner is good to have, but I'd rather have Stalberg given the other PKoptions brought in...Jooris is a hard working 4th liner- Black ace but I'd rather have Moore, even decaying....Gerbe? outside the PK--worthless.....Linberger health ? ...BUCH- May or may not be ready....Ditto with JENSEN................But that's all JIBBER-JABBER..................The bottom six depends on one player -----the C......it depends on Kevin Hayes being a serious center (But we will still be one of the weakest team in the league in FOS) or finding somebody who is..If Hayes is ready to use his talents..maybe he can mesh well with BUCH (or grabner) and a reliable guy like FAST....Then the 4th line you can just throw the remain stuff agasint the wall and see what sticks...rotate 5 guys in and and out...Having Lindberger healthy will be helpful..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:52 pm EST

McIlrath deserves an entire season to prove himself.... In the few games we had a chance to watch him, there were times where I watched his stick handling in tight in the defensive end with opponents in close, he is absolutely fine.. His first pass is fine too... The fact that many opponents don't want to get near him because of his rep to hit hard, give him and will give him time and space to look to his first pass... Hopefully he will have very good judgment with the breakout..... jmon

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:47 pm EST

Hospo: Mazel Tov on the new addition.... Boy or girl?

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:45 pm EST

AV solidified his opinion of McIlrath when he resuscitated the corpse of Rafael Diaz and played him ahead of MAC in the playoffs. REPEAT: In the playoffs. I guy who was not with the club all year. Move a rookie to his off side so you can sit MAC and insert Diaz? Tells you all you need to know. I would be surprised if MAC is a Ranger by the time the season starts.

Bob


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:35 pm EST

Now, if that's not farthering, I don't know what is!

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:35 pm EST

WILD - I must have missed the time AV Sat MILLER in the POs and instead played 7 D-men ahead of him including Raphael Diaz...But it must be true, you only stick to facts

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:30 pm EST

In bits and pieces it appears Gorton is addressing the soft spots on this team. Clearly the cast competing for the bottom six is faster and more skilled than what we had last year. Given his potential and two way play Z is an upgrade. I think the forwards are set except for subtractions to fill out the D. Hayes reportedly has lost ten pounds and is working out with a great deal more intensity than in the past. Kreider will be signed. I feel that Nash is still in play and will be traded for a Dman. If that can not be accomplished I think they look to Buffalo take Kane and a #1 and look to throw in Girardi to offset bad contract for problem contract. Always hard to predict but I see Nash as the chip in play.

gene_carr


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:23 pm EST

Hospo please stop farthering ... Try gas x...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:20 pm EST

HOSPO: You can't just write off how he treated Miller and all the stuff said wait miller because it is relevant. AV did the same things....ignoring that is ONLY for the purposes of farthing something that isn't sustainable. We will know KNOW what AV thinks for some time.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:17 pm EST

RF4L: Its not disagree. Its FACTS we don't know. All this crap is guessing and made up based on preconceived ideas and a total ignoring of the recent past. I will continue to say "enough" and disregard any talk of "us" KNOWING there is a certain thought process from the coach...

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 1:15 pm EST

Wild: Why don't you just stop it with your never-ending defense of all things Rangers to the point where you act like you're an angry teacher reacting to unruly 10 year olds. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to act like a pompous ass.

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:51 pm EST

http://ottawacitizen.com/storyline/after-shocking-and-surprising-trade-zibanejad-ready-to-prove-himself-to-on-the-big-stage

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:44 pm EST

Pos Dupe: http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-zibanejad-adds-value-to-rangers-1.528649

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:03 pm EST

FTR: a brief mention of the KILLORN signing here which I believe is a very good comp for a KREIDER comparison.. (jmon) ..........Rumor Roundup: Bishop could be trade candidate as Lightning search for cap space...... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-bishop-could-be-trade-candidate-as-lightning-search-for-cap-space/

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:56 am EST

Z: Interesting, his dad is an Iranian that emigrated to Canada... TSN is reporting his size to be 6-2 and 222lbs.. not sure if he uses his size.. ala Kevin Hayes... I REALLY like Brassard but agree he should be traded over Stepan whom is WAY more responsible defensively... Brassard was very lazy backchecker many times... inconsistent... and something not reported.. he was part of the 3 amigo party gang (Hagelin, Brassard, Zucc) so I am not totally surprised he got dealt... not that I have any info suggesting the NYRs were concerned.. just sayin

schneidw


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:52 am EST

Russia accepts Voynov can’t play at World Cup, Nesterov named as replacement....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ ......... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/russia-accepts-voynov-cant-play-at-world-cup-nesterov-named-as-replacement/

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:51 am EST

WILD - why, you started it with your tired little pass-by shot at he Wall...And then the idiotic mentioning of MILLER, which has nothing to do with it......You want to be in denial and not trust what your eyes saw in the POs/season and the FACTS ( we do KNOW that AV chose to sit a healthy Mcilrath in the regular season for other struggling D-men and he did play DIAZ AND SKEJI on the RHS over Mcilrath).....But...wah...."we just don't know"..No, none of us recorded AV's brain waves, but humans like you and I are able to deduce things form the things that we do know...

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:45 am EST

Most here agree that Klein is an excellent value and Ranger.... Just a reminder, he suffered a setback with the broken arm bone ala Ovie at the end of the season before last....... I happen to like Dan Girardi on most fronts, what I don't like about him is his judgment NOT to play while he's dealing with a mix of aches, pains, injuries which together hurt the teams chances of winning a game... Yes they're hockey players with a Marine's mindset, but it was obvious to most he was playing hurt and a detriment to the clubs performance.... IMO his contract is the ultimate reason of why he must be dealt, we just can't afford $5mill for him in conjunction with $5.7mill for Staal... ""IF"" they one or both would waive their NMC's, Gorton can really reshape the D & the team......

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:32 am EST

Hospo: Likely ESPN did a piece and chose the 10 highest original draft picks that are RFAs and made s troy out of it.....thats about par for the course for them.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:30 am EST

HOSPO: Just stop. The same old tired arguments the reaching for one instance in order to fill a void of truth and facts...the same crap spouted on and on again about Miller over and over. We don't know what AV feels about McIlrath. He said he didn't want to put him join a game cold, and was more confident with another guy....but oh no, he can't be telling the truth...it has to be he hats McIlrath and did anything possible to not play him. Just get over it all, we don't know...we just don't know.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:28 am EST

Anybody here an ESPN insider? The lead story in the hockey section is about the 10 RFAs that can/could be traded highlighted by a picture of Kevin HAYES..Probably a bunch of ESPN regurgitated mularkey, but still curious..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:27 am EST

Hospo: I didn't say anything different. Like I said, its all about how the team looks at McIlrath, and what they think about this season for the team. If they are willing to take a step back and they feel Mcilrath will take a step forward and Giradi will be better, than its logical to think Klein could be a guy they would be willing to move for the right return. I am not saying throwing a the guy away for a maybe. While Klein being moved for an offensive/PP QB guy would hurt the D side of the D short term, if the team feels McIlrath will get to Kleins level they shouldn't hesitate to make the team better long term. Again, I am not advocating for it, or even think it will work out well...but its all about what the team sees.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:24 am EST

Once Kreider & Hayes are signed we will have 14 forwards "including" Buch-Knish" (he's gonna love Brighton Beach ay Stevie?) ..... Got to think T.Glass gets sent to Hartford or Packing (pun?) ..... Next under the spotlight, Oscar, Oscar, Oscar, can he recover? to what extent? and what is his upside potential? ...... Will Gerbe (babyfood) make it through the entire season or will Fast on the 4th line supplant him and we upgrade on the wing on the 3rd line? ..... Wild, t/y on the Av's D, and your schplel-czech is a thing of beauty... "Topsoil" as a nickname for ZIBANEJAD, very Earthy! ;-)

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:22 am EST

Vic preseason question ... Who will make the roster and who will not be here before the season starts ? ...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:21 am EST

WILD by the way, do the POs count as Reality or Wall-land fantasy? You know, where the coach dressed somebody by the name of Raphael Diaz and made Bradley Skeji switch sides rather then play Mcilrath?

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:20 am EST

Stevie: Good call...2011 6th overall for Brass.....and Brass cost part of Marian Gaborik Blake Parlett Steven Delisle they also got Derek Dorsett John Moore 2014 6th round pick in that trade. So not a bad overall start to finish on that trade.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:18 am EST

WILD - Disagree totally on KLEIN.. Except for when he finally wore down at the end of the year, KLEIN was the best D-man on the team..EASILY....Unless you don't give a shit about winning you don't deal him ...yet....The season turns sour...there you go.....If you deal KLEIN, you are left with two huge uncertainities in the names of Girardi and Mcilrath (remember who the coach is) and whoever else you obtain in trade (will certainly not be as good all around as Klein)..Recipe for disaster in my books...

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:14 am EST

The new Z was a first rounder but so was hazy ... Plenty of first rounders don't make the NHL ...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:11 am EST

HOSPO: that all depends on how the Rangers Brass and AV (In reality not RFC Wall land) see McIlrath. Klein has a good cap hit and would be looked at favorably in a trade. A team might just be willing to move a more offensive D man for Klein+ since his cap hit is a team friendly one for what he brings. I am NOT advocating moving Klein, but to overlook him as a trade possibility is short sighted. Also to add to this, it depends on what the expectations are for the team from management down to the coaches. I have said it before, if they are taking a breather to rebuild not he fly as it were, than they may be willing to sacrifice a bit now, like trading Klein, in order to ensure the team is better for years to come. I mean the Brass trade may just do that same thing. While Z is a very good young player, he is young and may be a bit of a short term step back at the spot on the roster compared to Brass this season. They may be willing to do that more places on the roster for the season. Regardless I would be shocked if they are not working the phones.....doesn't mantling WILL get done, but I am certain they are trying.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:05 am EST

RF4L: I get what your saying, but think about this...a team everyone points to for their incredible drafting, the Devils, will have 2 first round picks on their roster this upcoming season (well unless another makes the jump this year but I don't think so) the Ragners will have 5 of their own. Staal being the oldest, but the rest are "kids" Kreider, McIlrath, Miller, Skjei will all likely be part of the roster at least at some point barring a trade. Likely the Rangers first round picks if they had kept them wouldn't be playing this upcoming season or if they were not making a large impact....maybe the 2013 pick would, however that year is the Buchnevich year, and Tambalini is is the wings as well. But Buch will have a great shot at the roster and if there was a first rounder selected there might not have been room for both anyway. SO basically there is little to no impact on the team for this upcoming year that would be made by having a 1st round pick in the years the Rangers didn't. Over the next few years perhaps that will be the case, but this year no. You are making a bigger deal out of those picks than needs be made. Hayes being signed is another thing that essentially added a 1st round pick to the 2010 draft retroactively. SO yes, giving up first rounders in trades isn't the best thing ever, but its not like those picks would be having a large impact on the Rangers right now for this season.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 11:02 am EST

Let's see if I have it correct......RS defense---Klein, Girardi, Mcilrath, Clendenning??...LS - Defense - Mcd, Staal, Skeji, Holden....I don't think you want to force Skeji to switch to his weaker side......And it looks pretty obvious that we could use a RS offensive/PP D-man,.with guys like Staal and Mcilrath being the most likely chips to be included in a trade...But if Staal won't waive...

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:54 am EST

Rf4l the nyr have found a way to get 1st rounders secondhand thru ufas and trades... They are not getting a 1-5 unless they trade for one , which is not easy to accomplish ...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:51 am EST

mf: As with most teams they have a glut of Left handed D, Johnson and Barrie are the two RHD they have as regular NHL Dmen. Of course on the LHD side they have Beauchemin, Zadorov, Tyutin, Wiercioch,Bigras, and Gelinas. Some of those guys are just palin young, Beauchemin is 36. Some are just plain not good at all. Gird would in reality slot in on their 3rd pair, and they may like that kind of depth on that side and G wouldn't be as heavily used so he would likely look better and hold up better, Staal on the other hand would be an upgrade on the other side, and is at his best when he isn't trying to do too much and just sitting back playing the D role for his partner. So he could be a decent match for Barrie...something that has troubled the AVS, every D they put with Barrie ends up trying to do too much offensively, and that leaves them with Barrie as the lone D back, and thats just not a good thing to have most times. SO while they might like a RHD, that may not matter depending on how everything works out.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:48 am EST

mf: OK, remove the word 'little' if that makes you happy! ;^) FWIW IMO trading away a 2nd rounder to get what you want isn't a big deal. It's trading away more than one of those PLUS a bunch of 1st rounders that is a problem. It's just bad business IMO, especially now where you cannot buy talent as your main method of building a team - you have to draft it and develop a chunk of and if that's occurring with bottom roster players for an extended period of time, you're going risking an extended period of mediocrity.

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:48 am EST

Good call TDCHI. keep us informed of any other rumors you may hear

KIS


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:41 am EST

So just across twitter. Z "Hopes he can break out here". I like the confidence. Here is a kid who has basically already reached what was a Brassard career year, but has done it much earlier, who feels he hasn't broken out yet. That of course doesn't guaranty he will be significantly better than Brass moving forward, but the mentality of that idea is the first step to actually getting there.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:38 am EST

That should be equal TALENT instead of equal VALUE

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:36 am EST

WILD _ I might be ..I might not be....Trading HAYES now would be selling LOW after the horrible year he had last year...The problem is that it wasn't just production, it was also effort and attitude....Teams will be much more leery of dealing for him now as compared to last summer...And they should be..And all the stories about HAYES floating around here, you can bet wevery team in the NHL knows the true scoop on the guy......Hayes has big time talent....maybe there's a team or two that would take a chance on him this summer and send EQUAL value back in return...I doubt....I don't think the return of dealing HAYES will be worth it....I hope tyo god I'm wrong....But the best bet might be to see if the guy takes his game and career seriosly and does all the little things to help his talent shine....Then you trade or keep....But again, I'm all for dealing him now for the EQUAL VALUE

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:30 am EST

Wildcard: Do the Av's need a LHS or RHS defenseman? I'm too lazy to do the research.... t/y

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:26 am EST

HOSPO: You WAY under sell Hayes. "Get some value" they can get very good value. He had a good first season and many many many players have poor second years. Most teams will still want him just as much now as before, maybe more so since he now knows something about being an NHL player. There were rumors that the AVS were looking to move Rantanen for a center....not sure if that is still in play. They also still need D, perhaps a larger deal, Hayes and Staal/Giradi(retained) for Rantanen and something else. Don't know what, that would depend on how much the rangers DID/COULD retain....or perhaps they would want the Rangers to take Beauchemin back and his 4.5 mil hit. I don't know...just throwing you know what and seeing what sticks.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:17 am EST

Happy with Z, now how do the Rangers get an offensive D-man, and a reliable 3rd C (with FO ability) and perhaps at the same time get some value out of Kevin Hayes?..Those are the moves I'll be waiting for.....MINNESOTA, COLORADO, ANAHEIM and BUFFALO all seem like possibilities still...

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:15 am EST

think their coach , who was his junior coach, wanted brass, and he's basically a hometown boy. and the wanted a left handed center with experience to make the playoffs to make $ for the owner ....every team has different priorities....one of the few trades that seem fair with advantage probably to the nyr long term.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:14 am EST

York/TD: Yeah A line of Kreider/Z/Miller would be nasty to play against.None of them are slow ( of course next to Kreider they will at times look it) They all have size and are strong, perhaps stronger than even their large body size suggests (scary as that may seem) I know Kreider is a freak in a physical sense. They can all put the puck in the net, and in multiple ways. We have seen all 3 at times use the rush, or shoot from a position and score, Kreider the least from a static position, but he has done it. Miller has for sure, and last season on the PP Z did it a couple times I have seen in videos so he is capable of it. All 3 of them goto the net, and Kreider is a wrecking ball in there even if he isn't trying to be, they would make tons of room for each other. Trot that line out there, and than follow up with Zucc/Step/Nash. My goodness....the other team better have a good top 4 D and a darn good set of defensive forwards. The joy f that as well is that AV can match that Step line against another teams top line and they will not be a defensive liability, so the 3rd line can be delayed as needed, and the top D pair can be used with the Z line to help them out defensively....and the 2nd pair can be out with Step, or even the 3rd pair since Step and Nash are so good away from the puck. This brings some good balance. Not that Brass was bad, but it seems there was no defined role difference one line to the next, this roster as it is now brings some of that definition to the lineup. Lets see what else may happen, and perhaps the bottom two lines will become even more defined. Of course, the top two lines could still be in flux, I doubt they are still looking at moving Stepan, but who knows, if the return is right perhaps they do....or Hayes if they can't get a deal done beef his hearing. I think Kreider they like enough to risk Arb with....buts that just from reading between the lines.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:11 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/why-rangers-brassard-deal-was-about-a-lot-more-than-cap-space/

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 10:02 am EST

Having watched as many videos as I can on this new kid (will not try to remember how topsoil his name yet, so i will go with "Z") I have a question. Well its a statement than a question. I keep reading stuff that the Rangers lost in Brass a guy with really good quick hands, and that those quick hands helped him score....now am I missing some meaning in that, because Z seems to have quick hands as well on his goals...and since he had nearly the same number as Brass its not like its a rare thing for him to put the puck in the net. Is this a case of Brass was playing for a big market US team seen by more beat writers, and Z being on a smaller market team north of the border that wasn't all that great or is there something I am not understanding and not seeing?

Wildcard


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:43 am EST

And let me reiterate: I'm pretty shocked Zibanajed was moved. I know I didn't post it, but I agreed with RF when he said none of the young pivots I listed would be available...certainly didn't expect one of this caliber to go as cheap as he did. This is yet another example of why Canadian teams are constantly getting bounced from the playoffs.

tdchi


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:40 am EST

Rf: Of course you start high, ""there's the, weed, the trade, the reality!"" And as for the 2nd rounder being classified as, "a little bonus," damn when we trade away our 2nd rounders are we just giving away, "a little bonus too?" ;-)

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 9:18 am EST

RF4L - well let me go to my magic eight ball ;) Seriously though, I don't care about being wrong or right, unless of course it's about the Rangers winning the cup. And really, we're all about opinions here, which neither right or wrong...But when there is a flamer who likes to point out with less-than-pleasant prose how wrong I am all the time, I feel the need to stick up for my record...onto the team, the way I see the lineup now is as follows: MILLER-ZIBANAJED-KREIDER, ZUCC-STEPAN-NASH, BUCHNEVICH-HAYES-LINDBERG/FAST, GRABNER-GERBE-JOORIS/JENSEN, with GLASS being the odd man out...and then on D, McDONAGH-KLEIN, STAAL-GIRARDI, SKJEI/HOLDEN-CLENDINING/McILRATH...Gorton has done a great job of improving two critical functions --the PK and faceoffs. That, in and of itself, will help the team win more games...and I also believe the subtraction of two defensive liabilities is also an addition. The Rangers D is tougher, bigger and most of all, younger...but I'd be lying if I said I was comfortable with how it looks right now...And the only way that happens is if Girardi is either moved or relegated to third line minutes...and the only way that happens is if the Rangers move a wing and/or Staal...my first choice would be to grab TROUBA with any means necessary...I think the price would be high...maybe prohibitively so...but I think DUMBA would be another great piece to fix this situation depending on the cost. If they could move one of their lefties for him...and sweeten the pot with a winger...and we keep hearing Nash may be in play with Buffalo...you got to wonder whether maybe someone like BOGOSIAN could be part of that situation. Think he's a righty and he's been vastly underutilized in his offensive capacity...but where I to call it, I'd say the next move would be to trim some of the excess on wing and left D to really solidify the blueline on the right.

tdchi


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:56 am EST

BTW, replacing legends? LOL. Sather's legend is tarnished without a doubt...what's legendary now about that nob is his job for life contract.

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:55 am EST

Rhet: Interesting words from Dorion, especially how the pirce was higher in the beginning and the deal got made when Gorton lowered his asking price. That's a good sign because (I hope and assume) he's done/doing the same in other deals. I realize it's common sense but starting high is the obvious position. I am assuming Dorion's original position was a straight one for one swap which IMO would still be reasonable - that 2nd rounder is a nice little bonus and hopefully a sign of things to come with Gorton. I purposely used the name Gorton because I am hoping this is actually his first deal without Sather's influence (or maybe his 2nd - perhaps his first was trying to rectify the stupid Hags trade when he moved EE to the Canucks for Jensen).

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:48 am EST

gene sorry but fishboy has been involved for years. the brain rust has shifted their priorities and focus for next season, but the goal should still be the same but not at all costs, just most. ......as long as sather is gorton's boss, saton lives. ...no way he traded brassard without sather's approval.....after a majority or a tie agreed with it... the real hot seat should be on the coach for next season......there are about 10 new guys vying for jobs on the nhl roster with close to the same amount who will not be here that were last season......with about 6 who were starters on their nhl roster.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:48 am EST

TD: Hey you throw enough names around and sooner or later you're gonna be right! ;^) Kudos for the Z call - I know you posted on here about him a couple of times recently and I never responded because I figured with Turis in Ottawa, Z is needed (because Turis isn't a number 1 center). Grabner to me was an obvious option - in fact, I posted about the Rangers seeking him out last winter after watching him pull a bunch of Hagelin like moves for the Leafs. He definitely is Hagelin lite. So oh clairvoyant one, who's coming in the next deal?? Speculate please!

RF4L


Tue Jul 19 2016 7:06 am EST

If this is Gorton's first trade fully free of Sather's influence then I am much more optimistic about the future than I had been prior to this move which on every count was excellent

gene_carr


Tue Jul 19 2016 6:52 am EST

MF - I was told by a "mutual friend" that you might find this of interest.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GTLM89pN0A

RF73


Tue Jul 19 2016 6:13 am EST

“There is no secret our penalty killing was not good,” Gorton said. “Some of the moves we made, if not all of them, have had some part in that.”

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 5:40 am EST

York I just hope he continues to go to the net rather than catch nyr perimtteritis. This team needs more grit and hopefully these moves so far have added that along with speed. Blacknblue is an ingredient they can never have too much of.

stevielegs


Tue Jul 19 2016 5:13 am EST

Getting Z is a real coup IMO this is a guy that is big, strong , and drives to the net. I would say 90% of his goals are scored within 5 feet of the crease. I wish he had a one timer, but it doesn't seem to be in his wheel house, he has a deceptive release on his wrister/snapshot. He's the one thing fans have been screaming for a player who goes hard to the net. As someone said I think TD Kreider,MIller, Z would be one nasty line to play against three 20 goal scorers who are big fast and nasty this was a steal IMO especially with the second rounder coming.

York18


Tue Jul 19 2016 2:38 am EST

Ottawa Senators GM Pierre Dorion was on TSN1200 today and said: On how long he has been talking with Jeff Gorton, "Jeff and I started this, I think the first phone call was when he called to congratulate me. Jeff and I have known each other for many years, from his days as a scout and assistant GM with the Bruins and then when he moved on to the Rangers in a similar position to the one that I had and then assistant GM and then GM so we have had a long history together. He called to congratulate me and we talked about replacing legends and then we started talking and Glen and Bryan never made a deal. I said how about you and I make a deal and I threw some things out and he came back and we started talking, first week on the job." On Brassard, Dorion said that the Sens have lacked a lefty playmaking center and are getting a player in his prime and who has had playoff success." "We gave up a good player in Mika but as a group we felt this was a a really positive step in the right direction to make us better right away." On the 2nd round pick, "For us, the price was significantly higher when Jeff and I started talking. At the draft, if anyone would have stood around, Jeff and I just sat at their table while everyone had gone back home. We talked for around 40 minutes and the asking price was significantly higher and we talked for those 30-40 minutes just at their table with everyone in their suite and we just felt that what they were asking didn't make sense but we agreed that Derick was better than Mika and giving up a second rounder is not something that we like to do and a lot can change between now and then." On waiting until after the bonus was paid to Brassard, "I was just stalling them. We talked about it over the course of last week and said why don't we think about it over the weekend. To me, the money didn't have a thing to do with it. I'm happy we saved $2 million but it was more of a hockey deal than anything." On trading Zibanejad, "I never lost faith in Mika and our coaches were excited to coach him, but it's about what we got in return. We are not able to get Derick Brassard for 7th round picks in the next three years, we have to give up something. It was never a loss of faith in Mika. It was a tough phone call today in Mika. You are maybe the player most responsible for drafting him, the guy who has seen him the most, you have gone through 5-6 years with the player since drafting him. You are moving on in another direction, it was not about losing faith in Mika but about making our team better."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:44 am EST

To state the obvious our GAA's went through the roof last year and our PK was the biggest culprit contributor. IMO the second largest contributing factor was the defensive effort of our forwards 5 on 5..... We'll pot enough goals to win, we need to keep the puck out of our net...... again, jmo

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:39 am EST

RF: just for you: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jamie-benns-contract-sets-the-bar-for-john-tavares-next-deal-with-islanders/

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:38 am EST

TDCHI - Playful my ass!....But, good call on Z.....OTOH, You can have Jooris and Grabner! Although, to be fair, half the wall mentioned Grabner, even me (despite not wanting him), and, despite all the bitching, also knew/hoped the that there were deals to come..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:37 am EST

GIRARDI for COYLE & we eat some salary-crow..... Sweeten as desired for consumation........

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:34 am EST

Hospo, what happened, your alarm clock ring whenever someone posts here? :-) ........... The Trade-Er-Rator was spotted over the Twin Cities.... reviewing Minnesota’s defense for a possible “deal” ;-)……. On the Left side they have SUTER / SCANDELLA / BRODIN so they’re pretty well set On the LHS…. A review of their Right Side, they have SPURGEON / FOLIN / PROSSER & then the Rookie DUMBA…. On the surface it looks like they could really use an upgrade over FOLIN & or PROSSER……….. Minnesota is Cap Strapped as they only have $6million of wiggle room and currently have only 11 forwards signed according to nhlnumbers.com …….…. Naturally, Dan Girardi comes to mind in an attempt to move one of our NMC contracts…….. Minnesota is carrying $2.5million in the buyouts of Vanek ($1.5 this season & $2.5mill next season) and Matt Cooke $1mill for this upcoming season…… absorbing some of this, if allowed by the CBA could help make a deal work…… I can’t see Minny moving DUMBA & his inexpensive contract (sorry E) but with the addition of Eric Staal I believe that CHARLIE COYLE is expendable….. Now COYLE is a RHS and I don’t necessarily want 3 RHS centers for our top 3 lines, however both he and ZIBANEJAD are listed as able to play both center & wing…… Coyle is signed for 4 more years at $3.2 mill per, Girardi 4 more years at $5mill per….. Thinking aloud IMO we need to be real careful who we fill Girardi’s spot with “”IF”” he were to agree to be moved as McIlrath would be steppingup to his 1st Full NHL season… I guess we can try SKJEI or HOLDEN to play their off-side for starters, and then there was “CLENDENNING.”

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:32 am EST

TDCHI: Come on up and accept your award! :-)

mf


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:22 am EST

MF with the third person schtick and Eddie and the Cruisers! Gotta love it..Almost as much as the deal......Gotta say, while i don;t have the Pom Poms out like TDCHI (just kidding), it feels good to once again like an off season move made by the Rangers..It's been too long...A bigger, younger, faster player who at 23 is doing what Brassard may have peaked at at 29..but has so much more potential....So much better then the insignificant and boneheaded FA Dumoster dive signings..

Hospo


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:19 am EST

BTW, if you want 21-plus reasons to get excited for next season, here you go: https://youtu.be/_hexPhqcNSY. This is the 225-pound guy who is going to be driving to the net in MSG.

tdchi


Tue Jul 19 2016 12:06 am EST

Also, I just wanted to playfully point out that I've called three of the six players the Rangers have acquired this off season: GRABNER, JOORIS and now ZIBANAJED...and wasn't it just a couple weeks ago when I was being told a kid like this couldn't possibly be on the move?!?..And on the day I say Gorton isn't done dealing... So..for a guy who is 'always wrong and never admits it' according to a certain _Archole poster around here...I seem to be having a pretty good July...Funny how that works...

tdchi


Mon Jul 18 2016 11:46 pm EST

Whoa! And the hammer drops! And What. A. Deal. If you're not happy with the ZIBANAJED deal, then you're either a perpetual pessimist or a Senators fan...this deal is ALL upside. I do like BRASSARD and think the guy was a good soldier who brought a lot of talent to the roster...but he was essentially a very similar player to STEPAN...and while he was a magician with the puck, he wasn't nearly as good as Step defensively. NTM, neither was very good at draws. Zibanajed does several things: He brings a very talented two-way pivot into the fold who has star potential. He's as good as Brassard now and there's a very good chance he'll be better at some point in his career. He's also a different type of center. As someone mentioned, Zibanajed likes to drive hard to the net. This is a guy who could center MILLER and KRIEDER, and the Rangers would have a line that gives other teams fits. You want his potential? Could possibly be a Patrice BERGERON-type player for this team. Huge acquisition. And the fact we got a second round pick on top of it ALONG with some cap space is mind blowing...those of you who have been pining for a 'true number-1 center'....well, here's your guy. He might not have been their last season, but that is indeed his trajectory. All pointing to up. Zibanajed also improves the PK and brings another righty shot into the fold. This deal was just short of a McDONAGH fleecing. While I'm sorry to see Brass go, the player they got back is young and dynamic. Very good move by Gorton. And for the record, I don't think he's done yet either.

tdchi


Mon Jul 18 2016 11:06 pm EST

Our current RHS forwards are Stepan, Zibanejad, Fast, & Josh Jooris (RHS) http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9870 ............ FYI: Charlie Coyle is a RHS, Nino Neidereitter is a LHS

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 10:59 pm EST

For the Dark siders on The Wall ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzVxlXx6MQA

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 10:57 pm EST

For the Late Night Shift: Gorton, "Great Deal!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtrz_fvmoc

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 10:47 pm EST

5v5 in 2015-16: Brassard (27 y.o.): 16G, 15A, 31 points, 1.64 Points/60 Zibanejad (22 y.o.) 15G, 17A, 32 points, 1.88 Points/60

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 10:44 pm EST

FWIW....the Kid the Rangers got last season had a slightly better ppg 5 on 5 than Brass

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 10:37 pm EST

MF likes every thing about this trade "except" that it cost us Brassard...... As stated, Zibanejad has put up good numbers so far in his young career, and he's 5.5 yrs younger than Brassard....... Good Job Gorton! ........ I believe that moving one of Girardi or Marc Staal is a top priority being discussed....... I'd like to see Staal and one or two others moved to Minnesota for Coyle & Neiderietter if possible..... Let Holden take Marc Staals slot on the Left Side Defense.... We can ride with Girardi for the entire season if need be, as his buyout will be much less punitive with just 3 years remaining on his contract. Who knows, maybe Klein will get moved and Girardi will remain the fixture? Time will tell

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 9:15 pm EST

Craig Button of TSN opined tonight that the Rangers 'clearly won the trade', citing youth, potential and the 2nd round pick they got. FWIW, I concur.

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 9:12 pm EST

FRED: to flip it the other way, how do you explain Hayes first season as a pro??? My point being that we can bend things to the will of personal biases. If we want AV to be good at developing players, we'll find it. JT Miller blew up last season under AV and is on his way to becoming an impact forward. So for me I get irritated when I hear that AV sucks with kids because he has what amounts to a mixed record of success. I do believe his incessant need to play Boyle over Mcilrath was a little mind numbing. But in the other hand what doesn't get acknowledged as much is how Mcilrath was putrid and seemed to hit the wall I believe in February. He deserved his seat at that time. Didn't know that he wasn't gonna get another shot. But in the case of Mcilrath the NYR did re-up him. And they haven't traded him as of yet and so people might be pleasantly surprised that he maybe working his way into a full time slot. I don't know. Hard to say. And what happens when Skjei struggles? Hard to say. AV seems to like certain guys. He gave Hayes a maddening amount of rope. I just don't see things as black and white. But admittedly I also am not as high on Mcilrath as some are. I see him as a 6-7 slot. For now. Like his skill set. Intrigued by it but not fascinated with it. Looks like a serviceable player but sometimes people drool on their bibs so much over the guy. They see something greater. I see Matt Greene. Not a bad thing. I think Greene has played some big roles for the LAK thru the years. Some guys will do well under AV some won't. Brassard seemed to blossom nicely under him. So, his record is mixed to me. What is more relevant to me was his record. A ECF, and a SCF and until this spring that went out like a lamb the NYR had been one of the perennial powerhouses of the NHL. I know he inherited a good team for sure. But he brought the game plan that made them dynamic. Honestly, I've hated every NYR coach back to when I was a kid. Shero, Herbie, Sator, Bergeron and on and on. It's a fan birthright to hate the coach. And even the ones that are successful like Keenan. Every time the coach slot opened and people would even utter the first syllable of his name I wanted to puke on them.

E


Mon Jul 18 2016 8:50 pm EST

stevie: Oh yeah - the Sens are not a cap pushing team. As the owner says, no $$ for him if not POs. Given the lucrative TV contract up here I don't know if that's true but for certain they are not a rich team like the Rangers or the Leafs. When the Rangers make trades Gorther has to be very aware of how close to the cap he is - the Sens have to be aware of their budget, which is not set at the cap limit. Same sort of restrictions but from different angles.

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 8:46 pm EST

E how then to explain the regression of Kreider and Hayes and the discarding of McIlrath. AV has had them for 2 years and they've gone backwards and I believe as long as they stay under his tutelage will continue to do so.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 18 2016 8:43 pm EST

VIC....that's kinda my point....I am disappointed with the current Roster and the management that have put us in this position. Stamos was NEVER an option for this franchise. The only hope is that Stepan hits the Gym or goes on Steroids.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 18 2016 8:30 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hexPhqcNSY Like what I see from this kid. Good hands, quick release, good around the net and great for shoot-outs

RDW


Mon Jul 18 2016 7:44 pm EST

I am liking this move. Zibanajed is from Sweden. we got some cap room. Brassard goes home. From eliteprospects..... "A very skilled center/winger with good hands and a terrific eye for the game. A modern power forward with good skating. Likes to go into heavy traffic and play physically. Takes care of defensive duties well and has strong faceoff skills. Very good release. (Matias Strozyk) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=23856#sthash.dwxK5pAM.dpuf" ill miss brass because of the chemistry but it sounds like Zibanajed will be a great fit. also like the josh jooris signing i think he can play 4th line C

richter35


Mon Jul 18 2016 6:56 pm EST

Rf from comments sounds like the owner is not a deep pocket reacher. They waited for the nyr to pay brass a $2 mil bonus on July 15th....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 6:52 pm EST

E you better hope so . They just traded for a kid over veenyos neighbor . One thing for sure the coach can't have another year like last year or he will be out the revolving door. He's a good coach , he's yet to prove great or elite . Him Nash and Capt fugitive along with most need to Wtfu ...I hope they all got the memo ...

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 6:25 pm EST

Ottawa slanted take on the trade - interesting that the cash conscious Sens will absorb the $5,000,000 cap hit but won't have to actually pay that amount of cash to Brassard.... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/derick-brassard-mika-zibanejad-trade-ottawa-senators-new-york-rangers-better/

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 6:20 pm EST

FRED: Realistically the only shot at a #1 Center the Rangers had was STAMKOS. Once he was gone that was it. If you evaluate every trade they make based on if they brought back a #1 Center or not you are going to be pretty disappointed.

Vic


Mon Jul 18 2016 5:54 pm EST

Stevie: re: that article about AV in Vancouver. They claim that he was unable to grow young players. Well... I'm not even sure where Hodgeson is any longer and Kassian pretty much has sucked as well. So, the fact that AV might've chosen vets over them in this scenario might be because he evaluated these guys and realized that they sucked.

E


Mon Jul 18 2016 5:41 pm EST

Z definitely goes to the front of the net a hell of a lot more than Brass ever did. He's a big body and he scores goals in tight because he is THERE. Add in that he's got an excellent one-timer on the PP and he's a Shootout wizard and you can see what what the Rangers like about his game.

JFC31


Mon Jul 18 2016 5:26 pm EST

MFred: I honestly don't believe the Rangers are anywhere near landing a number 1 center, either via trade or the usual route, the draft. It's one significant reason why this team failed to win a cup those 3 years they went deep in the POs - they have trouble generating offense when the chips are down.

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:56 pm EST

And I don't think this move has any bearing on Hayes....both Z and Hayes can play wing and center....there are plenty of options for further moves and keeping both of them.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:54 pm EST

Fred: He can't walk...he is an RFA....he is Rangers property still after next season...even if its via arbitration on a too big of a deal...but he can't just walk. And once what does a number 1 C have to do with this trade. They traded a higher cap hit for a smaller one, didn't lose production, and got younger and bigger.....and have more upside than before....so what is it about the trade itself, even the player for player swap alone without the pick. It looks on the surface like a good deal....

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:52 pm EST

....legit.....

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:51 pm EST

Wild like I said we still don't have a light #1 C and I don't think with our Roster we can trade for one. So we swapped for a lower salary that could walk after next year and I guess this spells the end for Hayes. Sometimes I think the WALL just wants a trade for the sake of a trade. This puts us no closer to a CUP. It will be interesting to see what happens to E Staal.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:48 pm EST

Never mind...found something that says he will be due to having 4 years of NHL experience.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:46 pm EST

Anyone know the rules for Arbitration eligibility....will Zibanejad be able to goto arbitration next year as an RFA? If not it makes the RFA status less of a worry.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:46 pm EST

If Z has a breakout year, he'll cost big dollars next summer. I guess a nice dilemma to have.

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:46 pm EST

TaxLegs: 41 home games no state income tax.... Play on the road in Texas, or soon to be Las Vegas, I imagine no withholding for state income tax in those cities either....

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:43 pm EST

Fred: He is basically the same player as Brass, just bigger.....I mean, the offensive output will be abut the same....and he is younger...so I don't get why you don't like the deal? Brass wasn't going to get a "true" number 1 center, unless of course you wanted Gorton to massively overpay and gut the team of any decent young players or prospects and more picks. But looking JUST at this trade and not trying to fit it into some larger role for the team, this is a good trade I think. Again I like Brass a lot, and don't like losing him....but all in all the trade is good.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:42 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rangers-trade-derick-brassard-to-ottawa-for-mika-zibanejad/

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:40 pm EST

Fred: Yes he is an RFA. Not a great deal in that regard...but its OK for the most part IMHO and I am sure before that day comes (to get him re-signed) that other moves will be made.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:39 pm EST

Can't say I'm a fan of this trade.....this guy is not a #1 C just cheaper for a year. Best thing is the 2nd round draft pick. Like others I would have preferred Stepan going out the door.

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:33 pm EST

Is it true that Z is an RFA next year?

MelvilleFred


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:29 pm EST

All of Zibanejad's goals from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYSH9wgdDcA

evets1980


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:19 pm EST

FWIW (not much), I like this deal. And I liked Brassard, especially the motivated Brassard. He was a good player for us and I wish him well. I would imagine there is more to come with trades now, but the Kreider and Hayes issues need to be solved first. And BTW, this also shows that the Rangers did not have any interest in bringing back Yandle. They could have made it work if they really wanted to, but they chose not to sacrifice Kreider to do it. I agree with that position.

Bob


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:03 pm EST

won't be as easy getting equal value and cap relief if they trade Nash ....hard to replace his points except with a wish and a prayer....as bad as he was last year....playoffs not as hard to surpass in points...

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:50 pm EST

RF4L: I'm not sure how much they can do before they resolve the KREIDER and HAYES contracts either through resigning or arbitration. Once those are done they should know what they have in terms of Cap space and we may see some other moves break. I was surprised to see this one go down but the Rangers were getting Cap relief so it really didn't matter. And obviously If there is another deal that results in more Cap relief it could go down at any time.

Vic


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:45 pm EST

Finally, Gorther gets off his hands and makes a move of some significance. I like it, even tho I agree that of the 2 existing centers, I'd rather have seen Stepan go (but that has more to do with his dumb contract vs who I like better as a player). I certainly like the addition of the 2nd rounder - I guess Gorther convinced the Sens that they had to pay for the given that Brassard offers in terms of offense. I also believe he's simply more established and therefore, more of a sure thing than Z. That said, Brassard is what he is - a player with more raw skills than his numbers suggest but as his age and years in the league, is there any reason to expect anything more? Mind you maybe that's what the Sens want. All in all, a good trade for the Rangers. Is there anything else pending I wonder?

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:39 pm EST

STEVIE: I was referring to BRASSARD. I have had more then enough of his lazy, disinterested play that is punctuated by the game here or there where he shows up. I've also had enough of his inflated point totals that make it look like he is better then he really is. And I hear you on HAYES, but at least we won't have HAYES AND BRASSARD in the lineup now. I will give Z all the leash he deserves. Hopefully he has matured and will seize the opportunity in front of him. But if he doesn't I'm sure the criticism will rain down on him here in short order. And admit it.....you can't wait to see the reincarnation of NEDVED's number skating around the Garden again.......

Vic


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:35 pm EST

Brassard said on TSN1200 that Gorton and his agent were trying to call him and that Marty St. Louis broke the news to him(via text message)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:29 pm EST

Most here were constantly bitching that Gorton hadn't done anything, he sucks, typical Ranger bs, blah blah blah. The guy did a very good job with the Bruins. Patience to all. I mentioned that these things take time. Relax, this move was outstanding IMHO.

kitchen1


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:26 pm EST

Vic maybe but not a good character showing .... Chalk it up to youth ... He will fit right in with some on this team.... Can you say lazy hazy ?

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:12 pm EST

A higher draft pick came in than the one that went out. Is this the signal that Gorton, and not Darth Sather, is now running the ship?

Bob


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:03 pm EST

STEVIE: Can't comment on what DOODIE said but I can tell you that lazy in the off season is better then lazy during the regular season.... ;-)

Vic


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:02 pm EST

Zibenajad is also very good in shoot outs 13 for 28

tlats


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:01 pm EST

One other thing to mention is that Z is a right handed shot. He immediately becomes an option for the Rangers PP. If he can score consistently from that left circle on the PP that would be a huge help.

Vic


Mon Jul 18 2016 3:00 pm EST

DOODIE MACHETTO on JULY 18, 2016 3:59 PM Also, I’m seeing a few reports of multiple years in which Zibanejad showed up to training camp out of shape. Not the best news. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/07/18/rangers-trade-brassard-to-ottawa-for-zibanejad-and-a-second-round-pick-sign-kovacs/#sthash.q2FvszuA.egQKmAWs.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 2:59 pm EST

I haven't watched a ton of Z's games but on the surface I have to say that this is a great trade for the Rangers. They get younger, bigger, stronger and cheaper. They basically get a similar player offensively but one who is still on the upswing in his career. They also get a better defensive player simply because he can't be lazier or more defensively irresponsible then BRASSARD. They also get a 2nd round pick in the deal. Good job GORTHER! Now......what else??!?!??

Vic


Mon Jul 18 2016 2:56 pm EST

This trade also makes me feel a little better about the Eric staal trade last season. We get back a second round pick and a young center. If Saarela turns out to be a player getting Zibenajad helps off set that a bit.

tlats


Mon Jul 18 2016 2:50 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/rangers-acquire-mika-zibanejad

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 2:20 pm EST

HOSPO: Yes OTT has been listed as a good trade partner...but there had not been anything about them talking. Most of the other teams you listed there had been talked about some rumored talking going on...OTT was a team that I had seen nothing really solid about.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:56 pm EST

Like any trade, we'll see how this grades in the coming seasons. But, one thing is for certain, we almost never trade established "vets" for semi-youths and picks during perceived up times. To me, this says that the powers that be can see the writing on the wall for this group. They had a good run, but never made it over the top. I expect and hope for more semi-lateral moves. Also hope that this is sign of a thinking and active organ-eye-zation. I guess we will find out either way.

limbo


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:55 pm EST

Could have been that the Rangers wanted more in return for Step. We don't know if there was more than one deal in the works over time they were talking. For instance, perhaps the same trade but with Step and a instead of a 2nd it was a 1st or something.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:51 pm EST

WILD - Not really sure this trade came out of nowhere...Had mentioned a few times that the best trade partners fot the Rangers were COL, ANA, MINN and OTTAWA...Still think we will be making another SIGNIFICANT deal or two...At the least, we have to get an offensive D-man, maybe a 3rd-4th center (or is the decion to go with HAYES??) or a first center and Step and Ziba can be 2a/2b..,.Would still like a center tthat is REALLY good at FOs...Brass was our best--Ziba is at the same level...We'll see...It's good to have a little bit more room and an extra draft choice..

Hospo


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:44 pm EST

I think the Rangers traded Brassard because they saw him this weekend on Instagram partying with MDZ

TradeStar28


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:43 pm EST

"After Vigneault was fired in 2013, Scott Taylor of the Vancouver Sun once again published a scathing article titled “Why Alain Vigneault Deserved to Be Fired.” In his article, Taylor reiterates the same themes and tendencies that plagued Vigneault’s downfall in Vancouver. The team was complacent, failed to win when it mattered, and worst of all, Vigneault was inconsistent in player development. During his tenure in Vancouver, Vigneault “displayed an inability to nurture young talent,” something that all good teams need to do in order to be successful down the road. Much like our current short-sighted Rangers management and coaching staff, Vigneault seemingly favored struggling veterans, giving them the unwarranted benefit of the doubt over the up-and-comers. Taylor noted that “players like Cody Hodgson and Zack Kassian could never find their way out of his doghouse” and that after relieving Vigneault of his duties, Canucks GM Mike Gillis “acknowledged the importance of getting contributions from younger players going forward, a passive indictment of Vigneault’s record in that regard.” - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/07/17/guest-blogger-jeff-yerger-familar-history-of-alain-vigneault/#sthash.ToqxBB17.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:39 pm EST

Now that trade came out of nowhere.....not a single rumor, and on todays high tech gadget filled world of instant access, its crazy when there is nothing, not even a " team A is talking with team B" type thing. Now Iike Brass, and wonder if his loss will be bigger than most would think. However, the Rangers just got younger, better at the dot, and bigger, and didn't lose much if at all production wise offensively. ON the defensive side Brass was fairly good, so lets hope this kid doesn't hurt that at all, not that Brass was great, but he bought into the system the Rangers play and that helped him look better than i think he would be otherwise. On top of those "at least on paper" improvements or lateral moves, they were able to upgrade a 7th rounder into a 2nd rounder. Again, I really like Brass, but it seems like OTT overpaid by a touch. At the very least it looks like an even trade IMHO. But if this kid even develops a little bit more, the Rangers may end up with the better player, and thats not even taking into account that 2nd round pick.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:39 pm EST

CM if you are the other teams, would you want who the nyr want to get rid of?......only if you get the better end of the stick...doubtful any teams want to help the nyr more than themselves....that's why those guys are still here...fishboy is waiting for a sucker to be born without having to be the sucker....guess he's finally wising up .....hopefully.....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:34 pm EST

Hospo probably because they didn't want Stepan and his contract, or the nyr didn't want to trade him.......column a or column b... or the poo-poo platter .....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:33 pm EST

Another good thing about this deal is that BRASS was a favorite of AVs and Gorton had no problem dealing him...As it should be...AV just nneeds to worry about getting the job done with what is given to him...which he failed significantly at last year...

Hospo


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:31 pm EST

E - Missed that you said the same thing...toatlly agree my man..

Hospo


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:30 pm EST

that's one way to save $ and get a little younger ...now fishboy can spend more.....at least they hopefully have traded for somewhat equal value , and for the same roster position spot....i thought brass was weeknow's stepson.....maybe he felt he was one of the guys dogging it sometimes.....which is true.....the retool continues.....hope it works out for both sides, or at least the nyr's side.....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:29 pm EST

There is only one thing I don't like about this deal, we dealt the wrong cener---should have been STEPAN..OK, that done and I know I'm on the dark side now, but I think this is a very good trade for the Rangers..Ziba is doing at 23 what Brassard is doing at 28-29...Both are now 2nd line C's, very similar in all respects (including FOs) but with the big exception that Ziba has alot of time and room to get better...and he is bigger...Throw in the cap space the Rangers get now AND the draft pick...I tip my hat to Gorther on this one....It doesn't change the balance all that much, and alot more things have to be done, but for the first time this summer I can .Good job!!!

Hospo


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:26 pm EST

A right handed power foward center who is 23 years old and is a two time 20 goal scorer who wins 50 pct of faceoffs. Plus a 2nd round pick. This kid has the potential to be a legit #1 center who I think will probably score 70 points in the near future. Now losing Brass hurts a bit he is a very good player but already hit his potential. Definitely a win for the Rangers.

tlats


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:20 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/video/zibanejads-natural-hat-trick/t-277518934/c-44115803 Cool video of Z scoring a natural hat trick in 2:38

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:16 pm EST

Definitely a trend on PK, as every player we have acquired played a lot of shorthanded minutes.

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:13 pm EST

This looks like a win for the Rangers IMO. This kid is a good player and he's on the verge of breaking out offensively. He's only 23 and he's cheaper than Brassard....and we got a 2nd rounder, too. There's gonna be a blockbuster very soon after this trade IMO. 2-3 more current Rangers will be dealt....

JFC31


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:12 pm EST

LOL. Brass was 50.22

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:11 pm EST

So essentially the same as Brass.

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:10 pm EST

I also think Brass is WYSIWYG. I don't think you're gonna see Brass much better then he is now. Z is only 23 and has 6-years to surpass Brassard's production. I like this play. I liked Brassard but this is the kind of guy you want on a retool.

E


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:10 pm EST

50.4% faceoff percentage, which automatically makes him #1 on the Rangers :)

DOUBLEN


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:10 pm EST

He's gotten a little better every year, about 50% last year.

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:09 pm EST

I would not have ranked Brassard as a guy who "needed to go" (well behind: NASH, GIRARDI, STAAL) but he and Stepan are redundant so one had to go. I think Stepan or Brass would be a great 2nd line center. The problem has been neither of them is a #1!

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:07 pm EST

Anyone have any insight on how Z is on the draw?

E


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:06 pm EST

So we got a lot younger player, a little bigger, but essentially the same type of player. I am not sure we didn't just weaken our (lethal ;-) Power play, but I think this is a good first step.

ColoradoMark


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:02 pm EST

Bob Derick had 58 points last season and awas a + and he played for a crappy team as well.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 18 2016 1:01 pm EST

Bob, you have a way with words my friend. I would probably just say it sucks.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:59 pm EST

Z had 50 points for a crappy team. Not a bad return but I have the believe there is more to come. Step/Z/Hayes at center is not terribly inspiring.

Bob


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:57 pm EST

Z is a player that's been high on my list for a while. Got 5-years younger today.

E


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:56 pm EST

This trade seemed to come out of nowhere. I'm wondering, however, if this means the Rangers will be holding onto Nash for this coming season (at least until the deadline). Zibanejad comes in at just over half of Brassard's cap hit at 2.65 million but is in the last year of his deal. This should give the Rangers plenty of room to sign Krieder and now, with the additional space, I'm wondering if they are gearing up to sign him long term. The exchange of picks is nice as well.

evets1980


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:55 pm EST

This gave the NYR about another $2.4MM in cap space this year. Zibanejad is a RFA after this year.

ges999


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:53 pm EST

...dont forget the 2018 2nd and 7th round picks...

WIOSA


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:52 pm EST

Maybe we can lure Gordon and AV up there...

WIOSA


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:51 pm EST

Are firing squads leagal in Canada?

WIOSA


Mon Jul 18 2016 12:46 pm EST

WOAH!!! Brassard gone to Ottawa for Zibenejad. Wow!

Bob


Mon Jul 18 2016 11:49 am EST

moof taxman....don't they pay tax in each state they play in? so home games and kitty kat games, and whatever other places don't charge them ? ....Canada ? ....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 18 2016 10:25 am EST

The Trump Card of No State Income Tax played masterfully. (imo)

mf


Mon Jul 18 2016 6:42 am EST

Yotk. Trur but 1) his team is younger 2) his feeder system hasn't been compromised and 3) his team is on the rise not a downslope.

RF4L


Mon Jul 18 2016 6:12 am EST

BTW, I'm pretty excited to see how Hartford shapes up. Lots of good young talent coming in this year, especially with the signing of KOVACS...NIEVES for a full season, Kovacs' buddy STROMWELL...OKSANEN from BU...GROPP...FOGARTY from Notre Dame...another year of development for TAMBELLINI and GRAVES...Could be some gems in that group. Gonna be a refreshing change to see guys with NHL potential skating for the Pack as opposed to a roster filled with retreads. Of course, there are still plenty of said retreads on the market...

tdchi


Mon Jul 18 2016 5:59 am EST

RF4L - Piss away. Never stopped you before... Yeah, I would be more confident if the Rangers had moved NASH for a young player and a first or had unloaded GIRARDI for whatever they could get for him at the draft...or if they had landed STAMKOS for nothing...but the Rangers, like every team in the NHL, work in the cap world. And that unfortunately means nothing comes easy...If teams are trying to low ball Gorton, I don't blame him for holding tight...As everyone here knows, I'm not a Rick Nash fan...and I'll be tickled pink when the Nash era is finally over...but even with my distaste for the guy, I wouldn't want to move a guy that could potentially score 30-plus goals just for the sake of clearing cap space...Ditto with HAYES...not a fan of his play, but does it really make sense to trade the guy for a prospect or some other future consideration? Nope...Or trading STEPAN just to get a crack at some of the ridiculous free agents that were out there...Measured moves are good in the cap world and those are the ones Gorton has been making...not flashy for us fans, but good for the organization as a whole...It's a nice change of pace after successive years of the St. Louis, Yandle and Staal deals...or when, as you bring up, when Sather did the canon ball to land DRURY and GOMEZ...or the goddamn Nash deal itself, which was a major stinker...I stick by my assessment that they've improved upon the team that had 101 points...and if I was to wager on it, I'd put a lot of money on a significant deal being done before September. You don't make the comments he and AV did at the close of the season without having some idea of who the targets to move will be...And if you look at the roster just in terms of the personnel, it would seem something has to give...but don't let me interrupt your golden ropes...

tdchi


Mon Jul 18 2016 5:36 am EST

We'll see what happens with Yzerman's Bolts...he's going to have the Stanley Cup favorite going into the season, that's for sure...and I cant say any of his deals look bad so far...Tampa would have hoisted the cup last season had it not been for the injury to STAMKOS and I think every single player on that team realizes it...You wouldn't have these guys taking the deals they're taking. That said, something is going to have to give next year for him. And were I to prognosticate, CALLAHAN'S contract is going to mean one --maybe even two --of the triplets or DROUIN are going to end up in a new ZIP code...And their farm system is also starting to look a bit dicey...but the true magic of Yzerman is getting HEDMAN and Stammer under contract for the next five years for just over $16 million. That's just incredible negotiating...because both could be collectively earning close to $20 mil...his bargaining with those two essentially cleared up space for KILLORN.

tdchi


Mon Jul 18 2016 4:33 am EST

RF I love what Stevie Y has done down there and how he has done it, but with that said, he so far has followed the same path as Gorther, Conf FInals, Cup FInals, Conf FInals, This year will be telling but so far he has had the same results.

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 10:00 pm EST

RF: DOLAN can't hold TBL's VINNIK's _______ ! And there lies the problem.

mf


Sun Jul 17 2016 9:54 pm EST

TD: Your unending optimism is admirable and sorry to piss into your cheerios but it's looking to me like that dropping hammer you continue to pine for will amount to nothing more than a few dried up leaves flittering in the breeze. Gorther's off-season scorecard is a resounding zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

RF4L


Sun Jul 17 2016 9:50 pm EST

I think I'd take the Bolts' issues over the Rangers...and for that matter, I'd rather have Yzerman as the architect vs the dithering Gorther - that 2 headed monster is steadily proving to be scripting one of the worse off-seasons for the Rangers since that job for life piece of crap threw millions of dollars at Gomez and Dreary. *SIGH*

RF4L


Sun Jul 17 2016 8:58 pm EST

I think the BIG questions for the nyr are will they be a TEAM and will they be well coached and led....???....or just a bunch of players with a regular season plodding coach with no real leaders ....just getting 100+ points will not cut it.....that's a proven fact...so far...

stevielegs


Sun Jul 17 2016 8:49 pm EST

moof with all the money spent in tampon, they better win it all.....but so should the nyr...and we know that story, and so do they.....maybe next year.....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 17 2016 8:08 pm EST

Lightning sign Kilorn, 7 yes $31 .5 mill

mf


Sun Jul 17 2016 6:54 pm EST

Woah...I applaud the analysis...but man...seems a little strange to be breaking the PK problems down to that level. There's a much easier and simpler explanation. And it doesn't involve the X's and O's of coaching: Personnel. You had GIRARDI, who was either playing injured or has started to degrade or both...he was a big reason why the Rangers PK was such a success when it was and there is no question that he was a big reason why it sucked...something that doesn't get mentioned a lot: McDONAGH turns over the puck A LOT. And Girardi was usually their to save his ass. Not last year...second...sad reality is that Dom MOORE started playing his age. The guy probably still has a few good NHL years in him...but not as a top penalty killer. They needed him out there to win faceoffs...but the sad reality is the guy was beyond his years in playing the capacity they had him playing...third...Rick NASH on the PK. I don't know how this became a good idea...but it's not on so many levels. Best case scenario, the guy does well and tires himself out...and I know some sportscasters and fans were billing him some sort of PK specialist...reality is, the guy isn't. He's a scoring winger that has absolutely no business on the PK. And the only reason he was there was because the Rangers had no one else to skate that role. He was the best they had, so he had to do...they went through STOLL...they went through PAILLE...they lucked into some success with FAST...but roll through last year's forwards...how many of them would you pick out as the quintessential penalty killers? STEPAN...FAST...maybe LINDBERG...and the list ends...plain and simple, adding the guys they did is logical. GRABNER is a proven PKer. And apparently so is GERBE. I know a lot of you aren't high on JOORIS, but this is really his bailiwick too...all three...good, responsible PKers...will it work? Don't know...I frankly thought STOLL would be a good add...and look how that turned out...but what I can say is that Gorton has tried to improve a serious deficit from last year...one that led directly to losses...and in the playoffs too...he has addressed, to some degree, the most pressing need the team had. His moves haven't been flashy, but I can't say I disagree with any of them. I don't think he's done either. The hammer had yet to drop...

tdchi


Sun Jul 17 2016 4:12 pm EST

I'd also like to think with a healthy Girardi who should be fine on the PK as it is zone play his strong suit, the removal of Boyle and yes the two new additions the PK should be better. Hags was great at disrupting the PP from settling down with his speed these two can and will do the same. They will also pressure the puck hard up the ice and be able to recover and get back in time to help the back check something this team did not do all last season.

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 4:09 pm EST

VIC I didn't ignore the McD clip that was a long ass clip wasn't watching that whole thing. Yes I dismissed the Boyle thing the guy was a slug in his own end. It got so bad towards the end you couldn't even cover it up any more so using him as a point to is not really a good point. McD is and like I said I just wasn't watching that whole clip. It's funny you say I'm using one clip to argue the entire years worth of bad coverage, well frankly you're doing the same thing and it couldn't have been that bad because they had over 100 points and again the PK killed this team more than even strength last year. You have addition by Subtraction with Boyle gone you have the two new signings the PK will be top ten this year. Dude OMG that's all I can say you're missing the whole point of the play, there was no Danger of him sliding down 100% correct but Moore did not block the shooting lane there was a man mid slot for the deflection Staal hoped to kill two birds with one stone fill the lane and tie up the mid slot guy what went wrong was not the guy released but that two guys went to that guy and left another man wide open to slide in that is where the problem is.You just seem to ignore the fact that two guys went to the puck and left another man coming off the half boards wide open. Again the mid slot guy was looking for a deflection not a pass and you are assuming a lot saying Klein would have done this or that you can say whatever you want to seem right I can say Klein could have tripped and not got out to the mid slot guy and lost his assignment. What if this what if that is bulshit. What happened was Staal slid up to the mid slot and two guys went to the guy in front leaving a man wide open to walk in untouched for a shot on goal that's where the breakdown happened two guys covering one guy on the Pk is failure.

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 1:15 pm EST

E: LOL, No kidding. As for your points, well said and I agree. One breakdown often leads to a fire drill of others trying to cover. We saw a lot of that last year. And I agree that it wasn't an effort issue. In many cases it was guys trying to do too much. YORK: You conveniently ignore the McDONAGH clip, dismiss the BOYLE clip and want to argue the third clip as if that clip represents the entirety of the proof of the coverage issues from last year. Everyone else here gets it. They watched the games. They saw the poor decision making. They saw the uncontested goals from the crease. And the ridiculous saves that HANK was forced to make just to keep them in games. But I just came in from the garage. Its Houston. I'm hot and irritated so lets play. This is all about angles and probability. When the puck gets moved to the left point MOORE comes out to defend. There is no danger of the point man being able to walk in and no need for STAAL to abandon his man and move out. The point man, a lefty, has to move to his left to create enough time and space to even get the puck toward the net. As it is he is only able to send a GIRARDI-like weak wrister. BERGERON (IIRC) is in the high slot. To get the puck to him the D man would have had to send the puck back across the grain, through MOORE. It is a low percentage play. But lets assume he was able to get the puck into the high slot to BERGERON. If STAAL stayed where he was he would have been in position to go down and block any shot or pass, not to mention the fact that KLEIN would have been able to prevent BERGERON (a righty) from stopping the puck, turning with the puck into KLEIN to bring it to his forehand to shoot. No, the guy on the ice that was the most dangerous player was ERICKSON (STAAL's original man). And STAAL recognized it too late when he tried to stick his foot out back into the shooting lane. STAAL moved off the man most likely to be able to deflect the puck in and moved himself out of being able to defend the shooting lane or ERICKSON. He also moved himself out of being able to defend either ERICKSON or BERGERON if there was a rebound (which there was), or even play that rebound. Now, if this is what those "who have played at a high enough level" are taught then I can tell you without hesitation that either those "who have played at a high enough level" and their coaches are clearly not smart enough to be able to identify the biggest threats in a given situation, or the cumulative head injuries they suffered on their way to playing "at a high enough level" have damaged their judgement. And to blame this on MOORE or STOLL is ridiculous. MOORE did nothing wrong. STOLL sees that KLEIN has to go play the rebound (again because STAAL isn't there) and that SPOONER is going to be all alone. STOLL makes an attempt to get back and actually almost gets a stick on the puck but in reality he had no chance. Blaming STOLL is like blaming FAST on the first clip. So if the thinking is that we need GRABNER and GERBE because they are quick enough to get back and cover for the poor decisions our D are taught to make at this "high enough level" then I can see how you would think everything will be ok.

Vic


Sun Jul 17 2016 11:20 am EST

E one final parting shot I always wondered about what side of the fence you're on but the simple fact that you thought about me masturbating says volumes about what you're dreaming about when it comes to me.

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 11:08 am EST

E don't blame the video for being dumber that just comes naturally to you son.

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 11:07 am EST

E boy you really don't like me, I really piss you off because you talk about me when not even addressed constantly LOL I love it. Because we both know you're a coward behind the screen

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 10:59 am EST

VIC Your answer is wrong, sorry. Stall was not to blame in that instance 26 and Klein both missed the assignment by picking up the puck carrier as opposed to one of them picking up the free man. They were at a man disadvantage now they double teamed the guy with the puck which means two guys are open. You are correct in saying you pointed to what you're talking about the problem is your understanding of the situation was incorrect. You blamed the wrong person for making a bad play which means you didn't understand what unfolded. I do throw out the second video you're using Boyle as your reference for a boneheaded defensive play well no shite, hardly the guy I would point to as a reference because you could have the perfect system and he will still do something stupid in his own end. Again you're wrong on Staal for two reasons 1) moore didn't have his man and the shot would have gotten by him and could have been deflected by the mid slot guy had Staal not picked him up. 2) Staal tried to narrow the shooting/passing lane by coming out you say you played the game for 4 years then you should know this already. Klein should have rotated but did so too late. Im honestly not going to debate systems and rotations and assignments with you if you don't know what you're talking about because I'm wasting my time. Just because you think something is right doesn't mean that's how said system works. Just like Torts had a very odd defensive system in a zone man position that people couldn't stand but watched pitt play it to perfection this year.

York18


Sun Jul 17 2016 10:54 am EST

E: Re one player goes awry and the entire defensive coverage can break down: Agreed and it's true sometimes the d-man chasing the puck carrier all over the defensive zone is due to someone else, usually a forward, losing his man.

RF4L


Sun Jul 17 2016 10:37 am EST

See Vic, you lying, drama queen, idiot, no nothing, douche hat, moron, dingleberry. You have no idea what you're talking about. So shut up. I win... (Takes a bow and Masturbates vigorously.) I understand where you are coming from in the macro. I didn't have time to see the videos. What I'll add to it is this: it's still a unit of 5 and one guy misses his assignment it makes everyone else scramble. In the NHL one missed assignment can send everything into disarray. And when it all ain't working right, teams will make you pay. Down to the worst teams in the NHL. And when it ain't working, everybody starts to press to make a play. And when that happens, mistakes occur. I mean, you're trying. I didn't see a ton of nights when they were apathetic. But I saw a lot of uncharacteristically lack of organization, cohesion, and chemistry. But the interesting thing to me is when that happens EVERYTHING looks worse then it really is. I think we all have our targets of ire and of course everyone knows my disdain for anyone who cannot handle a puck. We don't need to rehash that. I hear what you're saying but what you have to understand is that you're a dancing Nancy and need to put on your clown shoes and shut up. Because you think you know what you're talking about but you don't understand hockey because you are not a professional hockey player. You're just someone who spent a lot of time watching a game. And just because you watch it doesn't mean you can learn about it. I would've thought you knew that. I recently watched a video on hardscape design for my backyard and I'm dumber for it. Because we all know you simply cannot learn anything vicariously. Prat, now get in your clown car and put on your propeller hat. (This is all sarcasm BTW.)

E


Sun Jul 17 2016 9:31 am EST

Vic without good goal-tending it's pretty hard to get 100 points. If the d system worked better maybe 121 points, then they might have won the presidents trophy again...... and if nash did this, and stepan did that........and if ifs and buts were candy and nuts .....etc etc....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 17 2016 9:22 am EST

Vic: FWIW, I agree totally with your take. Go back to 2 years ago and you rarely saw Ranger d-man chasing the puck handler as far sometimes as up to the blueline. Terrible defensive structure for sure.

RF4L


Sun Jul 17 2016 8:39 am EST

And the Rangers finished with over 100 points because their goaltending was insanely good for the first 25 games. They stole games the Rangers had no business winning. Their defense was pathetic and their PK was atrocious. The point I was making was that GRABNER and GERBE aren't going to be defensive saviors if the Rangers are going to allow uncontested scoring chances from the crease as they did all last year both at even strength and on the PK. Surely you aren't going to deny that it happened?

Vic


Sun Jul 17 2016 8:32 am EST

YORK: Come on. Now you are just being argumentative. First trying to accuse me of talking about crease clearing, and then trying to accuse me of talking about staying with your man I posted videos to clarify what I was talking about. I don't have every minute of every year at my disposal, nor the time to go through it all. What I found were just a few games and in those games I was able to show and highlight exactly what I was talking about......and you still want to try to skew this into some other point that I'm not talking about???? I've been playing and watching this game for 45 years. Give me a little credit, especially since I'm not attacking you or accusing you of anything. McDONAGH is the issue in the first video as I specifically stated. There is no way you can defend what he did as HOCKEY 101. He is not staying with his man. He is deliberately leaving the crease to go out and tie up someone who is at the blue line and is not a threat. This creates the 2 on 1 down low. Don't throw out the second video because it is BOYLE. The point was that THEY ALL DID IT. And for the record I didn't bash YANDLE because YANDLE was doing exactly what he should be doing. He was initially pressuring a guy with the puck along the boards and then stayed with his man. In the third video there is no reason for STAAL to leave his man. It wasn't like he didn't have support. MOORE was on the point guy. If that point man had slid down and was undefended it would have have been appropriate for STAAL to come off his man and pressure him. But he wasn't. He was at the blue line with the puck and MOORE closing in on him. When STAAL left his man he gave BOSTON a high quality scoring chance by allowing a clean shooting lane where his man was screening HANK and had a perfect chance for a deflection.

Vic


Sun Jul 17 2016 7:33 am EST

Oscar Lindberg says that because of a new treatment he is undergoing in Sweden as part of his rehab from hip surgery that he may be able to return to the Rangers quicker than expected. (NHL.com/sv) The hip injury is something that Lindberg has known about for a while and has worsened over time. (NHL.com/sv) He will play next season in specially designed skates to help the problem from reoccurring. (Hockey Sverige) Lindberg underwent surgery in early May and the team announced he would be out for 6 months.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 17 2016 4:53 am EST

VIC Okay first if a defender is on the puck carrier be it 5 on 5 or PK he is supposed to stay on the man, even on the PK. You pressure the puck carrier the other three players are supposed to shift and stay in zone if a player continues the puck pursuit. The Girardi play was the right play to a certain extent you have to go out towards the boards and take the man with the puck. He is suppsoed to close the passing lane while doing this. You can not wait for the man to start moving in because them you're in no mans land where said player actually has two options a scoring chance, or a pass. Showing Boyle as an example is fodder, the guy was a nightmare in his own end. I'm going to come off as a dick here but do you honestly know what you're talking about, have you played the game at a high enough level to know what system breakdowns are? Staal did the right thing he came out to take the mid slot guy who was looking for a deflection, while doing that he also was closing the visual shooting lane on the point man by moving higher same as when a goalie comes out high, the breakdown occured when Klein and the point man didn't cover the man on the half boards they all crashed the guy with the puck and left a man wide open coming in late. Stall did the right thing what went wrong was two guys after that chasing the puck carrier and no one picking up the man coming in late. Here is the worst part that happens on the man advantage to EVERYONE, that's why it's a man advantage, Finally goals will be scored on the PK it happens you found one actual instance where you were right, not much to be honest. I also think in typical VIC fasion you're being a drama queen if it was so bad how the hell did they score 100 points last season?.........LEO first those are PP goals, second this is a scoring off the rush team, not a crease crashing team.

York18


Sat Jul 16 2016 4:26 pm EST

LEO: Those are the only videos of games from last season that I could find in my quick search. I was trying to find games that were played from October through December because that was the worst of the defensive coverage issues although they only cleaned things up a little bit after that. it was still a mess more often then not. And I just skimmed through those videos, I didn't watch them. I was basically skimming through to find a goal against and then why it happened. In one of my fast skims I landed on that sequence with BOYLE. That one is the most illustrative of what I saw all season long with all of the Top 6 defenders on this team. Everyone was guilty. And other teams made them pay badly for it. That was the change in coverage that I saw from them last year. They regularly had D going on useless field trips to the blue line covering nobody while the other team was countering with back door uncontested goals or 2 on 1 setups. And it just kept happening every period and every game. It was infuriating to watch. And I promise you I will call it out this season so everyone knows what I am talking about.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 4:00 pm EST

I'm not watching those videos cuz 1) Too frustrating to watch and 2) I recall that stupidity vividly. So who's to blame? For me it starts with the coach; did it want it rhat way? If so WHY? If not why didn't he do something about it?

RF4L


Sat Jul 16 2016 3:42 pm EST

VIC - I agree w/ your points...and greatly admire your willingness to sit/sift through last season's video. So much of it was painful enough to watch the first time through :) Though if you're looking for defensive mis-coverage, that probably didn't take too long to find for most of last season's games!

LeoS


Sat Jul 16 2016 3:39 pm EST

I know I tend to look at everything with typical Ranger fan cynicism but I don't recall US scoring too many of those New Defensive Coverage unopposed slam dunk goals last season.

LeoS


Sat Jul 16 2016 3:32 pm EST

That should read...I would draw up my PP.....not PK.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 3:13 pm EST

But lets get back to the PK. This one is against Boston. You can start watching right from the begining (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta0RWgG3LPk). Everything is fine at the start. But at the 8 second mark of the video STAAL makes the unnecessary move of leaving the guy he is on in the crease when the puck is moved to the point man on his side. The Rangers have someone there (MOORE) to pressure the point and KLEIN has moved over to take the guy in the high slot. But STAAL decides to move to the same guy in the high slot that KLEIN is already on leaving the guy he was covering all alone in front of HANK. Boston tries for the deflection goal at first but you can also see that the eventual goal scorer SPOONER is on the move as soon as the Rangers shift coverage away from the goal. With STAAL moving out away from the play it creates a disastrous 3 on 1 in the crease. Easy goal for Boston. If I'm playing the Rangers I draw up my PK to sucker the Rangers D away from the crease and then send in a cutter from the opposite side the second the Rangers bite on it. It happened so many times last year.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 3:02 pm EST

Here is the next one. This one is at even strength and no goal was scored against but as you watch it you can see about 10 chances the Hawks could have had if they had someone jumping into the open lanes uncovered. The opportunities were there, the Hawks just didn't take them. And this was one of the first few games of the season. Teams watched tape of the Rangers and starting running plays to jump guys into the open undefended crease as the season moved on. Start watching this clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcfyMVikGvg) at the 1:08:54 mark and just watch where BOYLE and YANDLE are. But in particular pay attention to where BOYLE goes after knowing that YANDLE is already pressuring someone along the boards.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 2:53 pm EST

E and YORK: I don't think I'm articulating my point well enough so allow me to show you some video from last year that I found. This is what I'm talking about. First example is at the 4:20 mark of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nnd77Gifcg) The Rangers are killing a penalty. Watch where McDONAGH goes and what happens as a direct result of him taking himself away from the crease to pursue a player who is not in a position to do any damage. GIRARDI compounds the problem by leaving the guy all alone in front of the net to go pressure the guy in the corner who isn't skating toward the net with the puck. There is no way FAST can react fast enough to get back and cover the front of the goal.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 1:22 pm EST

VIC I had a longer post about system breakdown and man on man hockey that got erased somehow. Not doing it again, you don't release man on man it leaves a guy open to slide into a slot for a slam dunk hockey 101 NEVER release because a guy skates high that's basic inzone hockey

York18


Sat Jul 16 2016 11:04 am EST

Vic: every team in the NHL would claim the same thing nowadays. We need to clear the crease. It's a fan mantra. Sure, and put a stick to someone's back and they'll fall like they were just shot and you'll go to the box. It's bitch made but it is what it is. But years ago teams used to move the puck to the outside and put a guy in front of the net. Nowadays it's a game of puck pursuit. And most teams use a double screen. The one guy at the net and another guy 5-8' further out. He is the one to worry about because he is the one who is far more likely to get a quality redirect. It's crazy but look at the tape on just about any team. No one has a defender turned away from the play pushing bodies out. And believe me, the New York Rangers have some big bodies on defense that could definitely scrum for position if the refs would let them. Its pure fan fiction to think they couldn't. It's not like Brad Marchand is such an effective crease crasher that McDonagh is just not strong enough or is too soft to do anything about it. If he was allowed he'd put a stick in Marchands belt and broom him like a bug. It's just not gonna be allowed. Not with the way they call the game now. McDonagh is less concerned with Marchand in front of the net as he is with insuring that he gets his body between the shooter and the net to prevent the puck from ever getting thru in the first place. The game just changed that way. It's evolution. Personally, I miss the old battles in front. And even remember when Sean Avery stood in front of Broduer's net flicking his stick in his face? Where was all the NJD to clear him out of there. And you know the NJD would've loved to get in there and put a stick up his ass for what he was doing but...

E


Sat Jul 16 2016 7:53 am EST

YORK: I wasn't talking about crease clearing. I was talking about players being left completely alone in front of the goal or rotating down to the goal with no defender within 10 feet of them. I understand that you can't clear the crease like you used to. But you have to have defenders in the crease to tie up players and to prevent them from being able to deflect pucks, bang home rebounds or from receiving cross crease passes. The Rangers left the slot completely unguarded as they pursued players away from the goal. I strongly disagree with that approach. As for the rest of what you wrote I agree that the new guys should add speed and pressure to the points. We will see how this all translates in a few months. But I maintain that if they are going to continue to stupidly follow players away from the goal where they pose no danger while leaving the goal crease (the most dangerous spot on the ice) undefended they are going to continue to struggle to keep the puck out of the net. I don't ever want to see McDONAGH, GIRARDI, etc. following guys out to the top of the circles again. It is stupid and beneath these coaches to play a system that calls for D to follow guys away from the crease when they pose no danger while leaving the crease undefended.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 7:51 am EST

I absolutely hated the Rangers leaving guys all alone in front of Henrik, until I noticed that everyone else in the league was doing the same thing. The current fad is to play in front of these forwards and try to block the shot in. All of the NHL teams are doing that to some degree. The Rangers were terrible blocking those shots, and on the offense had trouble getting their shots through on their PP. the combo resulted in sucky special teams all season. I also thought they were a lot more passive on the PK than they had been previously.

Bob


Sat Jul 16 2016 7:40 am EST

VIC I'm sorry but you are using old school mentality. No team clears the crease any more because you cant. Every team has guys standing in front, it's just what you do with that is the difference Crease clearing is a thing of the past with the no rules, using a can opener, or just moving a guy out is interference now. It's the ability to get the puck to the net where the Rangers had a difference the points for our team failed at that aspect percentage wise compared to other teams. The new rule of one skate being on the ice will free up lanes a little. Also while as you said the PK had almost the same lineup some of those players struggled, like Moore didn't play as well, Nash had a bad year, you lost Hags who was good for half a PK which is huge that equals half your PK unit not doing as well. They added in two PK specialists and removed Moore, and Nash if he has a bounce back year will raise hell The thing is pressuring the points on the PK with speed and taking away time and space. They lacked that last year which gave the D time to find the lane and get the puck to the net, with the two new additions that time and space should be taken away which will force the puck to the outside walls. Remember the prior years teams spent a ton of time with the puck on the outside walls and below the hash marks in the corners with the puck. They were in low percentage areas, last year teams were controlling the points and getting shots and time to set up that will change now.

York18


Sat Jul 16 2016 7:38 am EST

Interesting to see what happens with Kovacs. I thought he could not come over until after next season. Apparently that is not the case. I would imagine that he needs some time in Hartford to start. As a team so devoid of skilled forwards, he could be a prospect.

Bob


Sat Jul 16 2016 7:21 am EST

YORK: I agree with all of that with the exception of maybe one thing. Did the Rangers improve their PK going into this year? Without question they have because they added two forwards who are very good on the PK. But that assumes that it was a deficiency at forward that was the problem last year. They did lose HAGS and you know I think HAGS is one of the best defensive players in the league and one of the best on the PK. But apart from him most of the other PK forwards were basically the same (STEPAN, NASH, MOORE, FAST). Remember how FAST went on that ridiculous streak the previous year of never being scored on when he was on the PK. Did all of them just lose it? I don't think so. I think the defensive issues on the PK were same issues that we saw at even strength only magnified because they had one less defender out there. There were way too many easy, uncontested goals from players standing all alone in front of HANK/RAANTA. And that goes back to their defensive coverage and scheme. They need to make some changes otherwise it won't matter who they put out there to kill penalties.

Vic


Sat Jul 16 2016 6:26 am EST

They will have 2 d spots and at least 2 o spots filled by different players . That's almost a 25% change in the roster, as of right now . Normally that's more than enough change for a team . If they can repeat a 100+ season, then it becomes can they win more than 1 playoff game. If they tanked at the end of the season like the fishtanks , they might can played Jagr and the pussycats and won 1 round . Past history . .... Present is can the regulars pick up their game and can the new guys help to get that accomplished . Hopefully buchavich can make the team and breath some life into the 3 rd line . If they coach gets his act together they will be getting another kick at the can where anyone can win if they get on a roll. ... If not then he goes and the cookie crumbles from there. .. Maybe the nyr will surprise themselves and their fans who mostly expect a repeat of last season if that....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 16 2016 6:07 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/15/rangers-dilemma-with-dylan-mcilrath-use-him-or-lose-him/

stevielegs


Sat Jul 16 2016 4:41 am EST

Last season the Rangers scored over 100 points the weak point of the team was the PK. It actually cost them games, and cost them come playoff time where special teams wins, or losses a series for you. What was once the thing that teams feared from the Rangers now teams wanted which was going on the PP. They fixed that mistake so far and are better for it. I had said that very little would be done by Gorther because they will be forced to pay out the arse for the same deal another team would pay less, thanks to Gorther over paying on the last handful of deals. You now have the same team as last year with an improved PK that should go from 26 to top 10, but you also have the same team that AV complained about needing to be changed and were not buying into his system or executing it any more. I don't think the system is the issue per say as much as it is just the coach himself, is gorther seeing where the issue is keeping AV bringing in Beuk and seeing how the team plays by christmas and if they are still tuning him out they can AV? I have no idea, what I do know is from what I have heard is that Gorther had deals on the table, but those deals were ridiculous in terms of the Rangers having to pay and never got close to anything real because they starting points were so crazy. As much as I dislike Nash he does not make this team worse, this is not addition by subtraction ala Dan Boyle you cant just give him away. I see this team as better than they were in June and if the PK returns to what it was this could once again be a very dangerous team they moved up to top 10 in scoring without Nash having a monster year that says a lot, if he has a bounce back year as he usually does this could be a pretty good team Nash is known to have a big year than an off year followed by a big year, so he's due.

York18


Fri Jul 15 2016 11:01 pm EST

MF. I saw the SCHWARTZ contract earlier and I couldn't help but shake my head yet again. He might be the best comparable for STEPAN out there although I'm sure most would agree that he is the better player. And the Blues just locked him up for 5 years with an average Cap hit of $5.35 Mil. They gave him a Modified No Trade Clause for the last 2 years of the deal. The Rangers "brain-trust" signed STEPAN to a contract that was a year longer and $1.15 Mil more against the Cap for each year ($6.5 Mil). And they gave him a full NMC for 2017 and 2018 with a Modified No Trade Clause for 2019 and 2020. Just another example of the incompetence of Ranger management.

Vic


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:29 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jamie-benn-staying-a-star-on-massive-eight-year-76-million-deal/

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:15 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/signing-of-schwartz-to-five-year-26-75-million-has-the-future-looking-bright-for-blues/

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:08 pm EST

thanks Bob, http://blueseatblogs.com/2016/07/15/rangers-sign-robin-kovacs-entry-level-deal/

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 7:41 pm EST

Kovacs signs his 3 year ELC at $800K. Nice. Like this kid.

Bob


Fri Jul 15 2016 7:25 pm EST

NY Rangers have $9.325 mill in available Cap as per NHLNumbers.... http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/NYR?year=2017

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 6:50 pm EST

Slegs: It's one thing to not like the coach, but to say he was caught wearing stockings near a pond in Hartford and then making excuses about it is just taking things a bit too far.... Don't you think?

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 6:30 pm EST

The Rangers still have approximately $8.85 million of cap space left to sign Chris Kreider and Kevin Hayes, who have also filed for arbitration. J.T. Miller signed Wednesday, prior to arbitration. Kreider’s hearing is scheduled for July 22, and Hayes for July 27. Minor-league winger Marek Hrivik also remains unsigned and would count against the cap if he makes the big team. Ditto for newcomer Josh Jooris, whom the Rangers signed Friday as an unrestricted free agent from Calgary, for one year and $600,000 on a two-way deal. Jooris, 26, is a depth signing, a center who played a lot of wing in a fourth-line role with the Flames. He has penalty-killing experience and could make the team with Oscar Lindberg out until November following surgery. The Rangers also re-signed minor-league defenseman Tommy Hughes, 24, for one year. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/07/15/rangers-re-sign-dylan-mcilrath-sign-free-agent-josh-jooris/#sthash.CMNYXaUq.dpuf

stevielegs


Fri Jul 15 2016 5:58 pm EST

or is the Jury out on Jooris? ...................................... http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=76087

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 5:53 pm EST

The Jooris Jury's out! ... :-)

mf


Fri Jul 15 2016 3:43 pm EST

And I think a Flame fan summed up the Jooris signing the best with this "The rest of us know that he’s a good team guy who will have some good streaks but often be a guy bouncing between the 4th line and being a healthy scratch." Rangers seem to be cornering the market on that type of player....And the 4th line was the best line on the team for the last month or two

Hospo


Fri Jul 15 2016 3:00 pm EST

You mean the new Jilson? :) Whatever happened to the guy anyway...

Hospo


Fri Jul 15 2016 2:56 pm EST

Jooris the new messiah?

RF4L


Fri Jul 15 2016 2:17 pm EST

I guess one thing is for certain. They are firmly committed to turning the PK into a weapon and not a mitigating entity. I'm not sure I'm on board with it because I really want a 4th line that comes out banging and changing the pace but after they had a 26th ranked PK and were still north of 100 points I do kinda understand the logic in their thinking. I mean I'd want something like a Gerbe-Grabner-JJ as a 5th line if that were possible. Alas it isn't and we'll see if this works. Or doesn't. I had always imagined a Hagelin-Grabner PK whenever they played the NYI. Oh, and I won't stop driving the Dumba bus.

E


Fri Jul 15 2016 1:46 pm EST

fishboy really stocking the pond for Hartford ....I mean the nyr ....no I don't....sure is stocking weeknow excuses.....the work in progress bs to be con't......

stevielegs


Fri Jul 15 2016 1:06 pm EST

_Arc - You should really be easier on yourself. You can apparently turn on a computer and have rudimentary typing skills...so at least you got that going for you. Nitwit is being a little harsh. Smh? GFYS. Aren't acronyms fun!

tdchi


Fri Jul 15 2016 1:04 pm EST

And let me say, I've been pretty spot on the past 4-5 years (offseason) regarding team performance, let's hope to god I revert to form and am way wrong this offseason...

Hospo


Fri Jul 15 2016 1:02 pm EST

Vic – agreed. I’ll say this about BODIE: his offensive instincts are spot on. He’s VERY dangerous at the point and knows exactly when to jump into the play. I think I mentioned this before: He and GOSTISBEHERE were absolutely LETHAL on the point for Union. If you can, take a watch of the NCAA championship game from 2013. U would get it deep, cycle and then one or the other would do a quick burst to the slot. BAM. Scoring chance. I’ve seen flashes of it in Hartford. Nothing as effective as when he was with Ghost. The two things that have held Bodie back have been his size and his defense…the two are related, but not exclusively so. Part of Bodie’s problem when he broke in with the Pack was that he was used to having more time and space. Though there isn’t a huge cap between NCAA and the AHL, there is one…and I think he tried to play a little too cute. And once players got up on him…the kid only weighs about 175 pounds soaking wet(side note: the first time I met him, I remember thinking ‘this guy plays hockey?!?)…You put him up against a hard-forechecking beast and…well…the result was a turnover machine the likes I haven’t seen down there in a long time…part of the reason McILRATH’s play didn’t stand out as much...but last season, Bodie made a large leap in terms of becoming responsible in his own end. And frankly, I’d be tickled if he gets a shot at a roster spot…I don’t think it’ll happen unless STAAL is traded…and I don’t think that happens until AV is confident enough that SKJEI can take his place…but I could see Bodie being a poor man’s Torey Krug.

tdchi


Fri Jul 15 2016 12:58 pm EST

_ARC - Yes, it's been a long strange trip...And I just have a very bad feeling now,,..Was King of theDark Side for so long until I found the light the last 4-5 years...Yeah, of course I complained, but I colplained becasue I knew hey were a good team and I wantedthem to be the best but they just wouldn't take that right or extra step....Flash forward to last year...I'm sorry..outside ofthe first 15-20 games, this was a bad team from top (coach and top 6) to bottom..,Even worse, it was as far from a TEAM as the rangers had been in a long time......It wasn't an aberration, it was the turning...What thye had contructed and put together is not good enough eanymore,,,,Without signifcant moves, this team is dead in the water......I know there is still time to try and turn it around but i', very doubtful....and these redundant flotsum and jetsum signings do very little for me and what really ails the team...Never my ..There are enough (actually too many) people on here that sit on the fence and wait for the final shoe to drop before criticizing..I guess that's prudent....O'r rather just comment on what is right NOW and adjust on the fly..More fun..except when the flight looks like a disaster

Hospo


Fri Jul 15 2016 12:55 pm EST

TD: You said...."The Rangers lost a conference finals series and the cup because their bottom six couldn’t hack it.".....I couldn't disagree with that statement more. They lost those series because they couldn't score. Specifically their Top 6 couldn't score. They couldn't score on the PP and they couldn't score at even strength. Their bottom 6 and their D weren't the problems.

Vic


Fri Jul 15 2016 12:52 pm EST

a new JJ... whoopee....fishboy catching fish in a barrel.....barracuda....how many contracts is he up to ? ....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 15 2016 12:29 pm EST

I would take these signings as the NYR knowing what their contracts will look like and they're doing some house cleaning. Adding some depth etc... I thought Mcilrath was gonna earn a bit more and who knows??? But he's in the fold. We'll see what happens there. Hayes I think is pretty simple in terms of numbers. Whether he likes that or not is another question. I think CK is gonna be in the high 4 to 5 range. But now that they're structure is coming into play I think you'll see teams more able/willing to make trades. What that means? Good question.

E


Fri Jul 15 2016 12:24 pm EST

Hospo- come over to the dark side old man. You've known me a long time on this forum and we've been through some tough times but I'm not sure you or I have any idea of how bad it's going to be. The sad part is that no matter how low we sink there seem to be some nitwits who continue to exist in lala land and believe the sky is purple and the earth is flat since it's the all knowing and powerful wizard fishboy at the helm. Now he f's up the last three trades. We call him on it but some dipshit from Chicago knows better. Fort her says he's gonna make some drastic changes (severely overvaluing his assets) falls flat on his face but TOUCHDOWN!!!!! now he's down to making last gasp bottom six signings and THAT is supposed to all that ails this team. Wtf. Really it's the bottom six????? Not that our top six were some of the most putrid performing in the league. I'm okay with being wrong but it's the imbicile that continue to insist they're right while the rest of us scratch our heads that piss me off. Smh

_Arc


Fri Jul 15 2016 12:07 pm EST

TDCHI - Actually, I have..and I even knew what team he was on!,,,I didn't say he sucked but he never impressed me as anyhting a team trying to win really needed.. skates a little..doesn't hit..blah..... just another run of the mill insignifciant signing like Gerbe which will do nothing when so much more is need through the top 9.....Unfortuantely, right now, this schmuck basically becomes the Rangers 4th center and top FO guy.......Gerbe-jooris-Grabner on the 4th line...I'm pumped....God this team blows,.,,

Hospo


Fri Jul 15 2016 11:48 am EST

Hospo – No offense, but have you ever seen JOORIS play? Is the cup won with him in the lineup? Probably not. But this is another all-upside signing. You and several others keep prattling on about ‘needing to improve the top six’…well…maybe…but I tell you this: The Rangers lost a conference finals series and the cup because their bottom six couldn’t hack it. And if you REALLY want to get down to brass tacks, then look at it this way: The WHOLE TEAM needed improvement last season…the Rangers’ fourth line sucked for large stretches...we went GLASS to STOLL and ETEM to PAILLE…to GLASS…They’ve been routinely outworked on their bottom six…and the stronger they are, the less AV has to rely on his top six to play 20 minutes per player per game. I know you’re being your melodramatic self, but sheesh…all three signings so far have been quality. The only one I even remotely question is GERBE…and in reality, he was brought on for a specific reason.

tdchi


Fri Jul 15 2016 11:41 am EST

Re: JOORIS – I mentioned him a couple weeks ago. SOLID signing. Know him well as player. He was on the Union College team that lost in the NCAA semi-finals in 2012…that team…and in specific, it’s work-ethic…laid the foundation for Union to win its wholly improbable championship two years later…Jooris played a couple years with Mat BODIE, incidentally…Those two teams had a heck of a lot of heart and produced more NHLers than U had ever produced before…on his style: He’s a VERY versatile player. He has no problem playing wing or center…and actually, he can take faceoffs very well…though his numbers in Calgary don’t exactly suggest this is his high point. But here’s what there is to like about Jooris: He’s competitor. He plays a hard, physical game. Like many of his teammates at Union, he’s had to fight for every inch of his hockey career…at the NCAA level, at the AHL level and now at the NHL level…someone mentioned Jayson MEGNA…this is NOT Jayson Megna(although he’s another guy who had to battle to play professional) …Jooris is much more physical, much more versatile and is, IMO, a guy who was signed to play in the NHL. Were I to guess, he probably replaces Tanner GLASS in the lineup. Very good signing. Zero risk, all reward…and frankly, I’m feeling a little giddy the Rangers could have two U boys on their squad next season ;)

tdchi


Fri Jul 15 2016 11:16 am EST

God, the shit they are signing....I was thinking that, OK, maybe I'm going a bit overboard for once with how bad I think this team is right now...Soooo, I sat down and I tried to make up some lines....Going with the same Top Six as last year is suicidal given how bad it was the last half of the season, but it's the only thing we got...And, as of now, the bottom six is some no reliable center to be found combination. of .Fast-Hayes-Buch....grabner-gerbe-jensen/glass......or do you start mixing everything up wwith Brass-Step-Miller as your 3 centers down the middle?....Either way Bottom line...This team is BAD...Gorther better have a few significant moves up his sleeve.....and not ones that weaken the current roster or we're talking draft pick lottery....And if you're going that way, you might as well make more moves to ensure it..

Hospo


Fri Jul 15 2016 10:08 am EST

I just ordered my Josh Jooris jersey .......shipped right from China

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:58 am EST

RHET: I'm still not convinced that McILRATH will be here for the start of the season. CLENDENING is much more of a fit for AV and both AV And ARNEIL have experience with him. If the Rangers are going to put together a trade to obtain a 1st line forward (i.e. upgrade at Center) I think there is a good chance that McILRATH is a part of that deal. No inside info here. Just what my gut tells me regarding the way AV doesn't see McILRATH as a good fit. Of course, he could prove me wrong and I hope he does.

Vic


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:48 am EST

IMO, Josh Jooris is the new Jayson Megna but with a lot more upside. Solid depth signing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:47 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie .... McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff 0 retweets 0 likes

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:36 am EST

From THN on JOSH JOORIS: Assets: A hard worker, he is a versatile forward (can play either wing or center) who can also produce good numbers at lower levels. Does not shy away from physical contact. Flaws: Must avoid taking too many bad penalties that will hurt his team. Also needs to get bulkier in order to become a prominent regular in the National Hockey League. 59 Games last year - 4 goals, 9 assists.

evets1980


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:34 am EST

Josh Jooris! Now we can trade Stepan or Hayes!

Bob


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:24 am EST

New York RangersVerified account ‏@NYRangers..... OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with restricted free agent defenseman Tommy Hughes on a new contract.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 15 2016 9:15 am EST

New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers ..... OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with free agent forward Josh Jooris.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:48 am EST

about 8.5 left to sign kid k and lazy haze.....is big mac going to be a sign and drive to the airport?....haze should be.....let him go play with one of his friends or brother.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:44 am EST

As for BODIE, I'm very interested to see how he looks in camp. He looked really good when I saw him last year. He looked like an offensive defenseman that was eager to jump into the play as opposed to YANDLE who rarely did. And he can't be any worse defensively then YANDLE and BOYLE.

Vic


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:41 am EST

EVETS: Not interested in GAGNE at all. I'd rather go with HAYES then GAGNE. HAYES has more potential to be an impact player. Whether or not he ever becomes one remains to be seen.

Vic


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:41 am EST

Tim Wharnsby ‏@TimWharnsby..... #NYR and Dylan McIlrath have settled: 2016-17 $800,000

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:39 am EST

TD: I agree on the Devils. Not much there that impresses me or worries me.

Vic


Fri Jul 15 2016 8:32 am EST

Russ Cohen was being interviewed on NHL Radio this morning. He said the Rangers are waiting to get their RFAs locked up and then he believes that they will look to sign Sam Gagne. He also says the watch out for Mat Bodie in training camp, saying he was a good signing and that he has improved every year.

evets1980


Fri Jul 15 2016 7:29 am EST

gene - meant to post this yesterday...but to put NJ into perspective, try taking the issues that seemingly befuddle the Rangers and apply them to the Devils. 1. LACK OF A TRUE #1 CENTER. Well, the Devils have HENRIQUE, ZAJAC and JOSEFSON...not exactly what I'd call an ringing endorsement...and the only thing those three bring that the Rangers' top three don't is faceoffs. Zajac is a good in the FO circle, which is more than we can say for the Rangers' pivots...but the rest of them are actually worse in the circle...2. LACK OF A MOBILE PUCK MOVER ON D. Well...without LARSSON, who wasn't much of a puck mover anyway...they're left with MERRIL, LOVEJOY, MOORE, SEVERSON, and GREENE --none of which can move the puck that well. 3. LACK OF TOP-END TALENT. Sure, HALL, clears some of that up for them...and they could have a star-in-the-making with ZACHA...but really, look at their forwards...which among them save for Hall is "top-end talent" as we classically think of it? PALMIERI? No. Maybe CAMMALILERI...So thinking of it in those terms, I'd say the Devils are actually quite a bit worse off than the Rangers.

tdchi


Fri Jul 15 2016 7:16 am EST

RF4L - Better yet, why would the Rangers want VESEY? He's a wing, which they really don't need...Nash, Krieder, Zucc, Fast, Grabner, and Buchnevich are the top six...and then there is Miller, Hays and/or Lindberg to vie for the last two spots...and that's given that Glass is on the outside looking in...All speculation, but if you follow the opposite of the 'where there's smoke' logic, then you probably have your answer: They're probably not after him with anything more than a passing interest. If he falls in their lap, then great. But Vesey is going to want a top-9 position in the NHL. He's not signing with a team on the expectation that he'll skate a minute in the AHL...Granted, he's a talented player. If he DOES sign with the Rangers, then great. I think he's got a good upside and may...just may...be a 50-point player. But if he doesn't? Ce la vie.

tdchi


Fri Jul 15 2016 7:08 am EST

In defense of myself, I agree with Hospo's point of view to a large degree relative to the Rangers status in comparison to the rest of the leagues improvements in speed and skill. Of all the teams I listed Philly is the team with the highest probability of making the playoffs. Their young D is ready for prime time and very good. I can't stand NJ but they play a team game that consistently allows them to achieve beyond what one may expect just looking at the roster which incidentally has improved greatly with the addition of Hall. Given a return of Price Montreal will be a contender. Buffalo has an abundance of talent and a GM willing to make moves, they are not to be underestimated. With a full year to work with Torts will mold this team to reach a higher potential. Injuries have been their downfall and will be again if they suffer them to the same degree as in the past. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

gene_carr


Fri Jul 15 2016 7:01 am EST

Why would Vesey come to the Rangers? Seems illogical to me....

RF4L


Fri Jul 15 2016 6:59 am EST

E and TD: It is the auction effect. You could even call it "The Bachelor" effect. There is only one of an item and several interested in obtaining it. Once the bidding starts people lose their heads. They fixate on winning the auction and lose all sense of reality or perspective. Budgets and common sense go out the window. That is why I laugh at that stupid Bachelor TV show. My wife and daughter love it but I keep trying to tell them it isn't a show about romance or love. It is a show about WINNING. Because from the second it starts it is all about trying to win....to be the last one standing.....to get the prize.....even if the prize isn't something that the winner would have wanted outside of the contest. That is what VESEY is. He is the prize that those involved HAVE to HAVE. Outside of this little free agent contest these teams would evaluate him differently. But once they are in the heat of this competitive auction it is all about WINING the auction. VESEY looks like the next great player that we HAVE to HAVE!!! We can up our bid a little more. We can make room. Just get him!!!!...........Just another reminder of why people are great on an individual level but the more people involved in anything the more humanity SUCKS..

Vic


Thu Jul 14 2016 8:57 pm EST

E - I've been saying the same thing since before VESEY shunned the Preds. Actually, this reminds me a lot of the fervor over Justin SCHULTZ. Every team was gunning for that kid and he landed on the tire fire of the NHL. I personally think he'll land in Toronto, where his family is and where he'll have a chance to play top-six most likely on a team that is, in my humble opinion, a dark horse of making the playoffs...he ain't going to get top six with either the Sabres or the Bruins...not unless one or the other trades someone from its top six...I don't know if he and HAYES are amigos, but if they are, it's kind of ironic that Vesey is in the same position he was two years ago...all that said, I'd be surprised if he comes here. Again...not unless there's a significant player move from the top six before now and then...even then, I have my money on BUCHNEVICH getting a crack at it. Or if he's still a Ranger, Hayes...

tdchi


Thu Jul 14 2016 7:58 pm EST

No but Adam Clem is a friend of haze and this is his 6 th NHL team at age 23 ... 24 to go everybody wants a piece of him ... Trade the 2 of them.... Nyr not even mentioned in vescey article .

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 7:22 pm EST

Jimmy Vesey is buds with Jack Eichel. Does anyone believe he's going to chose Kevin Hayes over Buffalo or Eichel? He's not coming to the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 14 2016 6:37 pm EST

Oh boy another friend of gabby purple haze ... Leave that off your resume ...

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 6:30 pm EST

Adam Clendening Q&A: Rangers Are A Good Fit....(http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=889423&cmpid=rss-cerny)

Vic


Thu Jul 14 2016 6:01 pm EST

Just read the JT piece in the Post. Trade Mc D and make this homegrown kid the Caotain. Very pleased and impressed right now.

hipcheck


Thu Jul 14 2016 5:27 pm EST

What I think is interesting is how Vesey's market has skyrocketed. Yes, he is a good prospect. He might even be a top-6 player. But he isn't gonna be a superstar in the NHL. He's just good, he's free in terms of not having to draft him, and you could have him at a manageable number. But, I think the Vesey stuff has reached a fever pitch where the player himself has become overvalued by virtue of the circumstances that he finds himself. That is not to say I wouldn't like to see him in a NYR uniform. Big body, skates, and has some vision and hands. But, it's kinda crazy how overboard things have gotten for Vesey.

E


Thu Jul 14 2016 4:02 pm EST

sounds like bahston.....http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jimmy-vesey-still-planning-to-test-free-agency-after-very-good-meeting-with-sabres/

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 3:56 pm EST

it's not the methods, it's the results...please leave out last season....even with 100+ points....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 3:48 pm EST

STRANGER: Actually, what scares me is the opposite. GORTHER using it to acquire a player with a contract that the Rangers can't afford but using that #1 pick to get the other team to eat some of that player's contract. They are clearly comfortable doing that as they have done it in the past.

Vic


Thu Jul 14 2016 3:32 pm EST

nys fishboy just might take your suggestion

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 1:58 pm EST

RinkRat plenty of time left for Gorther to trade that pick away, maybe used to move Nash without eating salary! ;-)

NYStranger


Thu Jul 14 2016 12:45 pm EST

RinkRat: yes, we still have our 1st, traded away our second, and if memory has anything left, we still have our 3rd round pick too.

mf


Thu Jul 14 2016 11:11 am EST

RINKRAT - I took my boy to one in Carolina awhole ago..it was fun..Unfortunately, they picked MONTOYA!..OTOH, somehow, that guy is still around...

Hospo


Thu Jul 14 2016 11:06 am EST

With the current Ranger roster, the only real bright spot I see for next season, is that the NYR's might end up with a decent slot in the draft (they do still have their 1st for next year, do they not?) and with the draft being held in Chicago, I told the boy that we would go.....always wanted to go to one of those.

RinkRat


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:55 am EST

HOSPO: F/O... Oh yeah... Thanks for bringing up that 8-hour cup of coffee. They still suck horribly there as well.

E


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:44 am EST

I agree with GENE_CARR on the teams that got better (the Devils, the way they play the game for their coach, and getting HALL and getting CAMALLERRI back especially) but ,really, the thing that matters is ..what have the Rangers done?..They are obviously a worse team RIGHT NOW then the team that stunk the last 3/4's of the season...They MAY have improved the PK with Grabner and Gerbe.....that's it.....the top 6 forwards remain the same...we still have Hayes..there is no 3rd C..no 4th center..no center to take FOs...Other then that, pretty much the same group of forwards that couldn't or refused to play defense and a two-way game last year...Except, we got rid on one of them (STALBERG) that did.....And the same coach who couldn't motivate the same group of players,,,..As for the D, YANDLE had his weaknesses, but as of now, his loss is HUGE...with no Puck carrying offensive PP d-man to be found..........All this can change in the blink of a trade/eye or two...But until then, this is a team that will, at best, be competing for the 8th spot.....IMWO of course...

Hospo


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:39 am EST

gene - I think you're right about the Flyers for one reason: Gostisbehere. The kid is incredible. A star in the making. He adds another dimension to that team. But they still lack tending...and my sleeper pick to make the playoffs this year among those teams(in addition to the Flyers) is Montreal...with one major caveat: if Price can stay healthy. People forget what kind of player Radulov is. And while I wouldn't want Weber's contract, I think he's a better defensive defenseman than Suban. Most of all, because people so badly underrate that team...but the others? Bah. Still many moons away from being competitive.

tdchi


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:21 am EST

gene_carr, how do you see NJ and Columbus improving at our expense? NJ is a horrible, horrible team. Columbus in a constant rebuild mode with a huge question mark in goal. Phi is another team that will have hard time making the playoffs. Buffalo is at least two years away and Mtl? Maybe.. So say MTL will make the playoffs, and if they do, Det will be out. NYI will not be the same. They lost a big part of their team. Still comes down to Wash/TB at the top of the East. then Florida and Pit's. MTL and Rangers are 5/6 team. Then a bunch of teams will be fighting for the remaining two spots...

andrei


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:18 am EST

GENE: You might be right. We are going to have to see the way this season plays out. I have to believe the Rangers are going to rebound a bit because so many guys had down seasons. But, you never know. We could be on our way to a train wreck season where AV is fired and they come in with 80 points. I don't think so but you never know. You'll get your chance to pick that outcome in a few weeks as both the number of points and how many games AV coaches are on the list of questions.

Vic


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:16 am EST

Gene: I disagree re: Philly. They are really on the bubble but they do have a boatload of defensive prospects. But they are on the margins. Of your teams I think obviously the team that continues to grow the most is the Sabres. They just have young quality assets up and down the chart. NJ I think can be anywhere between putrid and solid. I'm not sure what the Taylor Hall effect will be. I do know he will get under NYR fans fingernails. I don't see a much improved MTL. They still can't score and their fate revolves around whether their oft injured but awesome goaltender can carry them. Every season, fans play a round of rosterbation and I'll say this: what team is most improved? TB. Why? Because they're are young, maturing, have been in huge games and in the offseason solidified almost all of their vulnerable assets. This is a team that is knocking on the door just as the NYR had for a time. Only difference? They don't have players coming out of or are out of their prime. They are still maturing.

E


Thu Jul 14 2016 10:01 am EST

Vic: Here is my list of teams that are IMO improved and have a great chance to make the playoffs (and it will be at our expense): Philadelphia ,Columbus ,NJ , Buffalo, and Montreal.

gene_carr


Thu Jul 14 2016 9:33 am EST

E: Good points. And to an extent I agree. Like I said, I still think this is a good team. And I agree that all they might need is a "retool". But my concept of that retool is the addition of 2 first line forwards including an elite #1 Center who can match up against anyone in the league. They add those two players and this team can win a Cup with the rest of the roster the way it is. I'm guessing we agree on how a team should be built and yes that does play into our bias. But when I do take a step back and look at the positive results of those playoff runs and the reasons why they couldn't win those Cups it comes down to not having those top players that can create and bury opportunities at critical times in the playoffs. They have good players. They have everything you could want in a supporting cast. Much more so then a lot of other teams who have won a Cup. What they lack are the Centerpieces. And the guys that are in that role for this team are not Centerpieces. They are support players........secondary players that would be great examples of the depth players necessary to win. That is why these deadline deals have been so damaging. Each of the last three years they have tried to go out and acquire a Centerpiece type player at the deadline instead of just worry about adding another depth player. Those players were either well past their prime or wildly overrated such that those deals did little to help them when it counted most.

Vic


Thu Jul 14 2016 9:29 am EST

E the d corp might be an adventure next season. They probably improved the pk, which might help create some momentum and push when 5 on 5 when they don't allow a pp goal. And maybe they will be a lot faster than last season in their transition game. But they need to work on possession and their overall d game by the forwards too. The under-performing pp is up for grabs, if the coach changes who is on the units like he changes his line combos to reward guys, and punish others. And hopefully the coach is willing to adjust his overall system to fit his roster. ...the final frontier is what the fishboy does or doesn't do.....i'll leave hankie and ranter out of it for now.....I'll take them for granted....as well as capt fugitive parmenter hopefully becoming more than what he has been.....this team needs chemistry and to be a TEAM......with a lot more blacknblue....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 9:10 am EST

You know, the NYR went to a SCF, and followed it up with a game-7 ECF. The idea that the they weren't good enough going into last season? I would've given him another shot. Now we can all come out with the explanation about what was wrong but I thought they were pretty close and definitely was willing to see them take another shot at it. When it was obvious that wasn't gonna happen and it's obvious that they need changes my point of frustration is that it isn't a rebuild that is needed but a retool. And to this point, there is not real tools happening. But, I don't subscribe to MMQB'ing. I'm not sure why they imploded but I know what the implosion looked like. What I try to do is remove myself from my own biases. The NYR as constructed are not how I would build a team. And so it's tempting to grab all the things I think will win philosophically and transpose that over the NYR and declare them far away from winning. Instead, I'm trying to see where they are within the apparent team concept that they built and assess thru those eyes. I don't think they are that far away. But I don't think that they addressed the most pressing issues sans potentially the PK. But in all fairness, that was a severe issue. Hopefully, the acquisitions of Gerbe, Grabner will fix that. The other problems?

E


Thu Jul 14 2016 8:15 am EST

It was fueled by Sather but I support it. One of the nyr problems is the cap, the present and future are always being dealt with. It's too late to rewrite history . The present is the main issue that fishboy needs to address . But last season seemed to prove that the coach and the Capt are not good leaders compared to the 2 seasons before when they had leaders who led without the title. That's the missing piece that someone has to fill. Messier proved that.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 8:02 am EST

GENE: Amen. But I think the situation is much worse. They won't be a lottery team. They are good enough to make the playoffs and at this stage I think they will probably finish with more points then last year. They may even win a round in the playoffs. And next year they will probably be a playoff team again. This will be the ongoing hell of MEDIOCRITY. Not good enough to win a Cup (miracles aside) but not bad enough to draft at the top.

Vic


Thu Jul 14 2016 7:23 am EST

While many on the board fueled the go for it mentality we are now unfortunately at the future/present that is a direct result of that policy. Fortunately we still have our #1 pick and there is a good chance it will be a lottery pick. The major retooling will more than likely come at the draft deadline when the crazy trades of picks for immediate perceived need occurs. The coming season looks dismal to me in particular when you see all the high end talent coming into the league. There is a lot of improvement and not so much here. I hope I am wrong but I don't have a good feeling about the coming season. Optimistically, it may force Sather into retirement and then we can let the games begin.

gene_carr


Thu Jul 14 2016 6:39 am EST

Plenty of room...again ..."...The Blueshirts have approximately $9.95 million of cap space remaining with which to sign restricted free agents Chris Kreider, Kevin Hayes and Dylan McIlrath and add two forwards to start the season while Oscar Lindberg opens the year on long-term injury while rehabbing from postseason hip surgery. This assumes a roster that includes Pavel Buchnevich. McIlrath (July 21), Kreider (July 22) and Hayes (July 27) have filed for salary arbitration.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 14 2016 6:37 am EST

"...Miller, who plays with a physical edge and earned a spot on the Blueshirts’ second power-play unit, opened as part of 19 different line combinations a year ago, including 34 games with Derick Brassard and 17 with Derek Stepan.".... I wonder how many teams had 19 combos....or what the other teams had 10, 30? .... On the surface it looks like the line generator was used an average of every 4 games....way to go weeknow... Keep rearranging those chairs....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 13 2016 8:31 pm EST

Vic. Exactly!!

RF4L


Wed Jul 13 2016 8:14 pm EST

WILD..... A 3-year deal would have taken him to UFA. I agree with you though, you don't base a long term deal off of 2/3rd's of a season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 13 2016 8:00 pm EST

I would have liked a 3 year deal with a little higher hit to be sure, but what 4-5-6 years? How long did some want to go at 4-5 mil? What if he best year was last year? I like to see a player do it a couple years at least.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 13 2016 7:59 pm EST

Sathers bridge deals came after a couple good years of a guys career...this is after 1 year that Miller was good. I'm sorry. There have been plenty of negative things said about big contracts other teams have given our after one good season and for good reason. Miller is not worth 4-5 mil per after one good war, and that is what you would be looking at if he were to sign long term.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 13 2016 7:51 pm EST

VIC--I am with you. McDonagh is the only contract they handled properly. Slats blew it with Girardi, Staal and Stepan by waiting after hammering them on the bridge deals. Utterly stupid. I was hoping that Gorton might be more astute. This deal shows that Sather must still have his hands in the pie. That is a sad realization for all of us.

Bob


Wed Jul 13 2016 7:05 pm EST

RF4L: On McFEE, not this year. They won't be a team until next year.

Vic


Wed Jul 13 2016 7:05 pm EST

BOB: Exactly what I posted about this morning. This bridge deal will cost them much more in the long run and may even put them in a position of having to trade MILLER in the last year of that contract if they can't resign him. So, basically about 18 months from now.

Vic


Wed Jul 13 2016 6:56 pm EST

Hospo. Welcome back old friend...

RF4L


Wed Jul 13 2016 6:14 pm EST

Scott Bartlett ‏@SCGscott ...... Seeing disputing #s on JT's deal. Can confirm 2 x $2.75M AAV is correct. $2.5 base + $250k SB yr 1, $2.75M base yr 2

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 13 2016 5:58 pm EST

HOSPO: it's just summer making you like this.

E


Wed Jul 13 2016 5:48 pm EST

E - I have given up and stepped off the bus..I have zero faith in ZGorton and ranger management and don't expect anything more than th shot moves wre have been subject to since June 2015...Yes, after being dormant for far too long, the dark side has taken over....I need DESPO and his sunshine spraying machine back....

Hospo


Wed Jul 13 2016 5:16 pm EST

Can the Rangers extend Miller at any time prior to his new deal expiring? I hate this dopey bridge deal crap with guys who are clearly keepers like Miller and Kreider. These stupid Slats-mandated bridge deals are one of the reasons why their cap situation is so terrible. Miller and Kreider should be locked up long term. They will only cost more if they are not....or be gone in free agency.

Bob


Wed Jul 13 2016 4:35 pm EST

I'll keep on driving that Dumba bus. Love that guy. A proof positive that hitting isn't all about size. That guy will decapitate you and has the speed to hunt you down. In the times I've seen him I was damn impressed. A little raw and prone to taking a bad penalty but he plays a mean game.

E


Wed Jul 13 2016 4:20 pm EST

Rexi29: I think that may be a statement that could be both right and wrong. I mean, they will be different players, and Miller I think has better all around upside...but Kreider could have a higher ceiling in the area of offensive presence....MAYBE not point, but teams may end up giving him more attention than Miller because of his style of play and ability to make them look bad with his speed. NOW if I was to say of the two who would i keep if I could have just one. Miller. Because his overall upside.

Wildcard


Wed Jul 13 2016 4:04 pm EST

Good to sign JT MILLER..Him and Kreider are the key forwards on this team..Both need to take big steps this year...and it would be nice to see JT grow more into the leadership role that he showed hints of last year,..He better..

Hospo


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:51 pm EST

Jitters' signing makes me modestly happy. We can give Kreids more, only not too much more, and move forward. And I may be in the minority, but I think JT has a much bigger upside than CK. Of course, I also smoke a lot of weed...

Rexi29


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:50 pm EST

ESPN’s Matt Coller listed Rick Nash as one of 7 players likely to be moved before the season starts. In the latest Insider Edition, Coller suggests that a Nash to Minnesota for either Mikael Granlund (F), Nino Niederreiter (F), or Matt Dumba (D) would make sense.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:44 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie ..... J.T. Miller in at two years for $2.75M per...

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:44 pm EST

According to nhlnumbers.com the Rangers have $10.725 mill in cap room

mf


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:40 pm EST

That's a manageable deal. Anywho, JT is a big part of moving forward. The NYR need his all around physicality, dickishness, and total disdain for the media.

E


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:34 pm EST

Per twitter. Miller signed 2 yrs @ $2.625M cap hit

Wildcard


Wed Jul 13 2016 2:13 pm EST

Hope it doesn't remain quiet becasue after Nov 15 (whne the Ranger were 14-4 becasue of The King's mracles) this was a BAD team......32 W and 32 losses and out scored(185-179) b the opponent..If the bozos in the front office don't realize the team needs signifocant changes from top to bottom..the Ranger's are up Shit's creek without a paddle/GM.....OTOH, Gorton could be waiting for the right time to unfold his master plan..Not that Gerbe wasn't huge, but....

Hospo


Wed Jul 13 2016 1:43 pm EST

MF... It was really a nothing article, but here you go.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-all-quiet-on-the-rangers-trade-and-signings-front/#more-63945

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 13 2016 1:43 pm EST

Clowe

mf


Wed Jul 13 2016 1:40 pm EST

Ryane Close is retiring and accepting a position as a coach with the Debbie's... Anyone know if they get any cap relief as a result?

mf


Wed Jul 13 2016 1:24 pm EST

There's an article regarding The Rangers on The Hockey News if someone would like to post the link... T/Y

mf


Wed Jul 13 2016 11:43 am EST

RF: I think the product isn't harmed by lack of skill, it's hindered by lack of space to use all the skill they have. It used to be the case that the league cannot support competitive teams because there wasn't enough quality to round out your rosters. Now? If you cannot put together a roster it's because you suck. Whether it be coaching, development or otherwise. Parity has been created because of skill. I just look at international hockey. Sub par players are rapidly exposed on bigger ice. On the small ice?

E


Wed Jul 13 2016 10:20 am EST

SportsCentre ‏@SportsCentre .... UPDATE: @penguins sign D Justin Schultz to a one-year, $1.4 million contract #TSNHockey ...... Per General Fanager ‏@generalfanager 8m8 minutes ago With Justin Schultz (1 yr @ $1.4M), #Pens now are $2.3M over the cap with 14F/7D/2G. Have Dupuis as an LTIR option.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 13 2016 7:28 am EST

Stevie. Yep that's how Buttman wants it. Perceived competitiveness but in the end the teams lacking talent rarely even make the playoffs let alone challenge for the cup. The result is too many boring games and an overall mediocre product.

RF4L


Wed Jul 13 2016 7:24 am EST

Vic.....how about this for your quiz: Who makes a trade first - Gorther or McPhee?

RF4L


Wed Jul 13 2016 6:35 am EST

Vic the cap has made that mess that any team that wants to contend and keep their core eventually faces. It's an unrealistic number. It should be $100 mil cap right now . But the NHL wants bs parity . They continually change the rules as they go punishing the past . They want the poor teams to win and the rich to fail. Supporting the small market teams to make believe they need more expansion .

stevielegs


Wed Jul 13 2016 6:23 am EST

TD: Totally agree. STEVIE: And that is yet another reason why I don't like the way this organization has been run. The contracts for the past performance of HANK, GIRARDI and STAAL (not to mention NASH who they acquired) all push them up against the cap making it very hard to sign the kind of smart, investment contracts like the ones for McDONAGH and RASK. And even when they have an opportunity to do a deal like that they overpay (as in STEPAN's case). Just a poorly run team that doesn't know how to properly manage its assets or contracts.

Vic


Wed Jul 13 2016 5:30 am EST

one of guys the nyr did that with was CAPT parmenter , most of the rest are pay as you go or pay for the past with a little for the future. They can't afford to do it with their cap mess . So they do bridge deals etc kicking the can down the road...

stevielegs


Wed Jul 13 2016 3:10 am EST

mf - Interpretation is that teams are reading the writing on the wall and trying to lock-up prospective talent long-term, rather than wait until they're on the brink of free agency. As an organization, $24 million is peanuts for the Canes...even in a small market. If RASK goes on to be a 20-goal, 50-point player, he'll be well worth that money over six...If he likely goes on to be a BETTER player, they've got them selves one heck of a deal...and if he goes on to suck? Well, then they've got a $4 million per contract on their hands they can liquidate a la BICKELL when the time is right...this is the new cap reality...ever since the cap came into play, it's been pay-me-now-or-pay-me-later...foolish GMs --all of them for the most part --chose later, rather than locking young players up early on at a discount...doing so may save the organization money early on...Rask, for instance, probably would have earned $7 or $8 million during the first three years of his contract as opposed to $12 mil...but then if he ends up being a 60- to 70-point player as he could well become, they're paying out their asses for the last three years...both sides are gambling...that's the interpretation. But comparing Rask's deal to what a guy KREIDER might get is comparing apples to hand grenades. There really is no bearing this contract will have on Kreider unless he actually does go to arbitration. Even then, doubtfully.

tdchi


Tue Jul 12 2016 9:01 pm EST

Very happy for McPhee . Worked with him one summer on the NYSE- true gentleman. We worked side by side- he was a bottom 6 fwd on NYR with a captains heart- smart enough to go to law school and cut his teeth as asst GM for Canucks . He invited my Dad and I to have drinks with the team after every game we went to, met all his teammates- such a generous dude. Best of luck- except against NYR!

puckyou


Tue Jul 12 2016 7:41 pm EST

interpretation?

mf


Tue Jul 12 2016 6:52 pm EST

Another Comparable for the Kreider valuation determination expectation securitization anticipation culmination examination compilization: Hurricanes impressive off-season continues as Rask signs six-year, $24-million deal: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/hurricanes-impressive-off-season-continues-as-rask-signs-six-year-24-million-deal/

mf


Tue Jul 12 2016 6:42 pm EST

Las Vegas NHL team picks George McPhee as its general manager..... http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/hockey-vegas/las-vegas-nhl-team-picks-george-mcphee-its-general-manager

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 12 2016 1:12 pm EST

JFC: An excellent suggestion. It has become question number 20.

Vic


Tue Jul 12 2016 12:24 pm EST

Vic -- it will be ingeresting to see how the Rangers manage Hank this year. How about a question regarding how many starts Raanta gets?

JFC31


Tue Jul 12 2016 10:51 am EST

Ryan MANTHA in prospect camp with the Sabres. Not much in terms of news...don't think he has signed or anything...but it struck me as strange the Rangers DIDN'T sign him. Seemed to end his juniors career on a high note. Incidentally...for those who were bad mouthing the NYC press for their coverage...gotta say the Buffalo press is making me agree with you guys. They're killing this prospects camp. Great coverage. Feel like I know more about the Sabres' kids now than the Rangers.

tdchi


Tue Jul 12 2016 10:49 am EST

If anyone has any others please post them here.

Vic


Tue Jul 12 2016 10:35 am EST

RF: Your on. I'll make it question 19. The options will be NASH, AV or NEITHER.

Vic


Tue Jul 12 2016 10:28 am EST

Vic. Here's one for you: Who leaves first? Nash or AV?

RF4L


Tue Jul 12 2016 10:16 am EST

Since there have been no real moves of significance I am going to hold off on releasing the questions for this years RFC CJC Texas Pick'em contest. What I will probably do is open up the survey system on August 1st. I am going to use Lime Survey so that you just need to click through your answers and you can change your own picks up until the deadline. You will need to create an account for it but you can use a fictitious gmail account if you like. I know there are folks who worry about security and privacy (and I'm one of them) so I promise that I will not capture IP address or any other info. I just want to make it easier to compile the answers and to allow folks to change their own answers. You can also use something like Tor Browser to obscure your IP address and location. But if you still don't trust that I won't capture anything about you I will post all of the questions and answers on a page so that you can post your responses here without having to use that system. Again, this is all for fun. There are no gotchas. There isn't even any real chest thumping as it is so hard predict anything as there are so many unknowns. And I've made it harder this year so that even getting half right will be a huge challenge. Should be fun though as there will be more questions that can be evaluated during the season instead of just at the end.

Vic


Tue Jul 12 2016 9:52 am EST

rf4l almost 4 hours no answer...maybe he's working the phones ....please try your page again later....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 12 2016 7:18 am EST

Paging Gleff Gorther. Paging Gleff Gorther. There's a lineup full pf holes awaiting your attention. Paging Gleff Gorther....are you there??

RF4L


Tue Jul 12 2016 6:43 am EST

E: Again, I don't disagree with you. I expect scoring to be down in the playoffs. It always is. It is a lot harder to score in the playoffs. Often times scoring at even strength comes down to desire and willingness to get dirty. And the Rangers forwards outside of MILLER and KREIDER lack those traits. The rest of the Top 9 is much more comfortable playing a perimeter, pretty passing game. And on the PP in the playoffs this team is just inept. Completely inept. It was shocking to see how much of a positive friggin' DIAZ was on the PP when he was inserted into the lineup. He got the puck to the net almost every time he touched it and the Rangers finally had scoring chances on the PP. Too little.....too late. And just saying anything positive about DIAZ makes me want to go wash my mouth out with soap. That is how bad YANDLE, BOYLE, and the rest of the Over Passing Rangers were. On D during the regular season you may be right. But even before any of the injuries to GIRARDI and others set in the Rangers were a sieve defensively. I remember many times in those games where the D (no matter who it was) was following players into the corners or out to the top of the circle while opposing forwards or D were rotating down in front with no Ranger on them. Now if the Rangers D were doing what AV wanted in playing a pursuing Man to Man then they were doing what they were supposed to be doing (much as I disagree with that system). It is the Forwards who were not staying with their man. Not picking up who they should have been and allowing uncontested players in front of their goaltenders. And it happened every damn game, over and over again. I agree that the D needs to be better then it was last year. I also believe that subtracting YANDLE and BOYLE will help tremendously in that respect. But there is no question that GIRARDI and STAAL HAVE to be better then they were last year. The Rangers were at their best when they played a Team D game. I think it maximized who they were as a team. And last year that Team D game was missing from day 1. When that was missing it showed the warts on a lot of players individually. Guys like GIRARDI and STAAL being asked to do more then they are capable of. That can't happen this year. They can't leave their goaltenders and D hanging out to dry. We saw what happens when they do that.

Vic


Tue Jul 12 2016 5:41 am EST

it's girardi and the system,....he's an anchor for capt fantastic ?.... it wasn't the planes that killed Kong, it was beauty that killed the beast....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 12 2016 1:08 am EST

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-east/new-york-rangers/how-good-is-ryan-mcdonagh/

schneidw


Tue Jul 12 2016 12:48 am EST

Per Sarah McLellan ‏@azc_mclellan ..... Was snoozing after travel day but awake now. Can confirm Shane Doan has signed a 1-year contract with #Coyotes, according to league sources.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 12 2016 12:41 am EST

Final candidates for the Los Vegas GM position include former Washington Capitals GM George McPhee, current Montreal Canadiens Assistant GM Scott Mellanby AND former Arizona Coyotes GM Don Maloney, You know I'm rooting for the NYR's favorite trading partner, especially considering we have two slightly used defensemen that are looking for a new home.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 11 2016 11:55 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-maple-leafs-still-havent-made-decision-on-lupuls-future/ ......... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2885

mf


Mon Jul 11 2016 10:53 pm EST

HOSPO: nope, I put Saran Wrap over my cereal bowl this year. Can't let you do it.

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 10:52 pm EST

Scneid: no worries, give me a month. I'll be totally wrong and be reminded ad nausea by the forces of good in this world.

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 10:19 pm EST

E - If you are incuding the forwards in your "defensive players" down below then you are correct...Defense is a TEAM game..You can have a solid Top 6 , which I think the Rangers will put together, but if the fowards still neglect their defensive duties and play a two way team game, it doesn't matter...Flat out, too many Ranger forwards were selfish last year, including and especialy fan favorites like ZUCC, in juat thinking about offense and not being responsible defensively...OTHH, how much of that was fostered becasuse of what AV wanted out of them..I'm not sure..Given the lack of influx of talent (doesn't look likely) the ONLY way this tream can rebound is if it becomes a TEAM once again and focuses on defense first to fuel it's offense...THAT and HUGE improvements by JT MILLER, KID KREIDER and, gulp, KEVIN HAYES...I ook forward to the first two, with MIller becoming a lleader, but don't thinks there's a chance in hell for the latter

Hospo


Mon Jul 11 2016 9:24 pm EST

NYR Top 6: I will just come out and say it... the NYR issues in the playoffs are almost entirely due to the POOR production of NASH and ZUCC.. in that order. Blame injuries all you want, the stats don't lie... the NYRs need to trade one or both if they want to hoist a SC in Henriks tenure

schneidw


Mon Jul 11 2016 9:05 pm EST

vic =truth

schneidw


Mon Jul 11 2016 8:17 pm EST

HOSPO = TRUTH. I couldn't agree more... I sure hope GORTON is reading the WALL as much as Larry Brooks... Because I am convinced the NYR defense is less of the culprit than the forwards... E: I usually agree w your posts, but in this case, we see it differently...

schneidw


Mon Jul 11 2016 8:11 pm EST

I truly think that one several of your defensive players aren't getting their job done, it's a domino effect. You start cheating off the back check looking to spring yourself hoping that someone will see you for a home run. You start pressing for offense. I just don't believe in the concept that the top-6 who have been together as long as they have just lost the ability or desire. It's just dominos. When you aren't playing on instinct and you're pressing and everyone is out of sync? It just looks worse. Let the defense get cohesive and regain form and I'll put more oneness on the forwards for failing. Losing makes everything look worse. Just like winning hides deficiencies. Just ask a team that dragged themselves into +100 points with a lot of issues.

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 6:10 pm EST

E - That all makes sense..The problem with the top 6 and Top 9 was not scoring ES goals...it was their poor defense/ losing or not winning puck battles/ too slow or unwilling to back check play positional defense..all of which lead to poor possession which in turn would lead to the other team having many. many more shots on goal, and more power plays while the Rangers got less of both..For such the longest time last year, the problem with the PP wasn't that it was bad, it was that hte Rangers rarely hustled enough to draw the penalties,,,,..And the culprits were the entire top 2-3 lines (woth some exceptions)

Hospo


Mon Jul 11 2016 5:02 pm EST

Vic: interesting point but all I can share with is something the guys on NHL XM were pointing out. That is that even strength goals drop to such a small and insignificant number that you literally can throw out the regular season stat matching. Everyone scores less so the premium really isn't 5-5 any longer. The key is to give up nothing at 5-5 more then scoring. In the past three seasons the teams that have won the cup were awesome on the PP and that's where they were winning games. The last team that was an outlier was BOS. Other then that? With goal scoring steadily decreasing and the league looking for ways to stop shot suppression, we can look for a million reasons why the NYR cannot score during the playoffs but I've been watching some of the playoff games from this spring. In game-1 for example PIT scored 2-goals. One was a standard scramble and score. But with the NYR swarming they forgot about Crosby who was sprung for a breakaway. Great, he'll kill you 10-10 on that. But in a game where the NYR could get almost nothing on net, they get a PPG and we have a game. Suddenly, PIT is on its heels and the NYR get another PP. So what do they do? Turn it over and give up a shortie. PIT followed it up with another PPG. NYR lose. Game-2 the Pens went soft in nets but the NYR played the best example of their personality. Yet, PIT almost undid them by 2-PPG. And down the road they out scored the NYR by something like 15-5 with almost every key goal coming off of the PP. you could make a solid argument that if the NYR PP was solid and their DREADFUL PK held the Pens off a little this would've been more of a series. 5-5 the NYR were right there. And so, of all the issues this team has, I truly see a competent offense. And hopefully they helped themselves on the PK and that takes me to the wonder twins on the blue line. Everything can always be better of course but man do the statistics and the eye test point every bit to the defense as the undoing. And again, you'd be surprised how an incompetent forwards ability to back check is suddenly not as much of an issue if their blue line can play the team concept.

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 4:31 pm EST

STEVIE: He may lose but I think it likely he will win. And if that happens GORTHER will trade him for a bag of peanuts just to get rid of him. SATHER has a track record of bitterness toward players who win in arbitration.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 4:21 pm EST

E: I don't really disagree with anything you just wrote with some important clarifications. The numbers you are talking about are regular season numbers. And clearly in that respect the Rangers have been good. Its when the playoffs start that the weakness in the Top 6 really shows. And yes, I agree it is a Top 9 issue not just a Top 6. And it doesn't get any better for the Rangers when you look at Top 9 if they are going to get from HAYES what they got last year. But also lets talk about the defensive issue with the Rangers that we saw last year. Where did it come from and why? There are many theories. I have two main reasons why we saw it. First, and foremost, the Rangers trademark of playing most of the game in the other team's end was gone. The Rangers forecheck game was almost completely gone. And yes losing HAGS hurt but it went way further then just losing him. Very rarely did any of the Rangers lines apply sustained pressure in the offensive end. It was a regular game in and game out occurrence the previous year and a half. So the puck wasn't 200 feet from HANK where it had been most of the time. Instead the puck spent a ton of time in the Rangers end with them running around like disjointed, headless chickens. And that is my second reason. The man to man coverage that they played last year was different then in previous years. And it sucked. I've never seen more opponents standing wide open in front of a goaltender with no defender within 10 feet of him. It was a horrific problem for over half the year until they made adjustments to limit their exposure. I don't think they have the personnel to play that way and if they try again I expect similar results. With the new shot blocking rules some things are going to need to change. And I think one change should be to go back to a more zone based D.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 4:14 pm EST

Vic if Hayes goes to arbitration, he will probably lose, and he won't like what he hears. and then probably want to be traded . he just might claim he didn't know he was playing for a new contract, and he might be telling the dummy truth.

stevielegs


Mon Jul 11 2016 4:04 pm EST

Vic: I don't fully disagree with you re: Top-6. And it not being good enough. Only to say that it is Top-9. You need three scoring lines in the NHL now. You need a few 20+ goal performances routinely from your 3rd line nowadays. I'm fine with the top-6 assuming there is better depth on the bottom-6. Guys like Grabner, Gerbe, Glass whatever are utility players. PK specialists etc... In the case of Gerbe and Grabner, that is specifically why they were signed. To reverse the 26th ranked PK to respectability that it lacks. But not getting off into the woods too much but the chemistry that had existed within the top-6 seemed to come apart. Why? I don't really know. Sometimes it's hard to figure out. Nash was hobbled pretty much all season but stalwarts like MZA had relatively head scratching performances. But let's also not get too far out in the woods. They were 7th in goal scoring. And that was even with real inconsistent performances from CK, a host of weird and untimely injuries etc... They could be better. But that's just one season removed from 3rd in the NHL. In all honesty, arguments that the scorers weren't good enough is a little overblown in my opinion. They got the performances up front to be a very competitive force. In fact, you could argue that the offense saved them because in too many nights the defense faltered and whatnot. But a year ago they were 3rd in GA? This season they were bumped all the way down. So, my greater point is that losing makes everything look worse. We could argue whether the personnel is there to be better and that's a legit argument. But it's also important to not lose what ills the team. And that was simple. The inability to keep pucks out of their net at key times. And most importantly on the PK. The NYR used to be a team that if they had a 1-goal lead after 2 you could go home because the game was over. That was clinical. Last season, that became an adventure. So, in some cases I'm not a big believer that the team requires a wholesale change to what I think they should be (as in the types of players that I want) but to regain their composure. And if Gorton is a big believer in this and he has stated, "great teams are built from the nets out" (something that I have some dissent on) then let's start with a superstar goaltender and see an offense that is consistently amongst the tops in the league and look at what failed: .33 of the defense. Guess who??? You fix that problem and stabilize that and you'd be surprised at how many other problems tend to start to go away. I mean, miss all fluid and you can throw numbers into the air all night long right? But prognostications that they weren't good enough? Who is good enough? The team that's won the cup. That cannot be the only watermark that teams who lost can use to get better. That's the destination and not the journey. If the offense was still pretty damn good and carried the team to a good offensive number and the defensive number went down in a smoking spiral? Well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out where to start. And if teams are built goaltender out then we definitely know where they need to start. I'd put more blame on the offense not being good enough if the defense didn't leak like a sib. But it's the top-9 now on offense and club .333 if you know what I mean.

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 3:43 pm EST

HOSPO: Agreed. And I'll be stunned if GORTHER is able to resolve that problem. STEVIE: Any bets on who (if any) actually get to arbitration? If I had to pick one I bet it is HAYES. Just a gut feeling.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 3:25 pm EST

Mcilrath July 21 arb dates Kreider July 22 Hayes July 27 Miller August 2nd. -

stevielegs


Mon Jul 11 2016 3:25 pm EST

TD: We disagreed on HAGS since the day the deal went down and it looks like there is no change since. I don't think you ever appreciated the guy for how good he was defensively. And the absolute havoc that he causes on the forecheck. Those are HAGS' "tricks". The offense you get from him at even strength is just a bonus. And that is why GRABNER is no HAGS. He is a decent bottom 6 guy but he never was defensive or forechecking force that HAGS is. GRABNER will help the bottom 6 and PK of this team because it was below average last year. But like I said, he doesn't fix the fundamental issues of this team. And neither would HAGS for that matter. PUCK: I'd take that bet. And remember it was mostly BONINO with HAGS and KESSELL. GRABNER has never been a part of a line like that. I've never seen him have the kind of chemistry with anyone that HAGS did with that line for the Pens. But I hope that changes this year. Hopefully GRABNER and HAYES become a dynamic duo and put up a 100 points each. I won't hold my breath but........

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 3:07 pm EST

all good and bad suggestions...when is fishboy going to retool?...or did he say refool? ....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:52 pm EST

Vic-I bet if Grabner played wing with Malkin and Kessel he's rack up some points. I like Hags a lot-but Grabner-if healthy-is much better bargain at this point.

puckyou


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:48 pm EST

VIC - Exactly that the problem is in the top 6....This team was pitiful after the deadline last year and it sure wasn't the 4th line, which was usually (with STALBEG who we canned for this Grabner douche) th best line...The problem was the inconsistent, selfish, zero chemistry zero defense top two lines...And nothing has changed,..Actually, the 3rd line was also a mess the last two mionths....and that remains the same as of now...efven worse, considering that HAYES is your only C option in the bottom two lines...Be nice to get a few centers in here..amybe one that cares and can win FOs?

Hospo


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:47 pm EST

NASH for KANE etc. Sorry, Lazy summer day... Just speculating.. if this deal had some truth... Could it be expanded into a BLOCKBUSTER? For Example, Buffalo is very weak defensively... Girardi grew up in nearby Toronto area... would Buffalo AND Girardi be willing to pair up to help each other's immediate future??? Could the NYRs dump salary in this trade and grab 2 prospects and a younger proven top line winger?? I didn't realize Kane is 6-2 and 209 llbs.. He is aggressive too as I remember him crushing McDonough with a cheap shot... wrecking his shoulder and the NYRs season... just blabbering as a armchair GM.

schneidw


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:45 pm EST

Vic –Seriously with the Hags love now. I’m still not sure how you qualify how Hags makes everyone around him better other than to say he busts his ass and his effort is infectious. I’m not going to argue that Grabner is a top line player or that he’ll score 20 or even 15 goals for the Rangers…but he’s just as good of a forward as Hagelin is/was and is coming a lot cheaper. And if you really want to get into it, they’re both ‘one-trick ponies.’ How does Hags score? Almost always it’s the afterburner speed up the wing, shot on net. Same thing with Grabs. Grabner, BTW, also lost most of a season due to injury a few years back. Signing him was a coup for the Rangers. Was a move they should have made at the deadline instead of the STAAL deal.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:40 pm EST

TDICHI: great posts this week! I agree w you that Evander Kane for Rick Nash makes sense IF the NYRs are compensated for taking the player with legal issues and whom is way worse defensively... Kane's salary cap hit of $5.2M/yr obviously helps balance some of the difference... Kane is also 7 years younger... IF Buffalo is willing to sweeten the deal with a prospect, then I am listening very intently...

schneidw


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:36 pm EST

E: "........But CK, Stepan, MZA, JT, Brassard, and Nash are your top-6." CORRECT!!! And that is why the Rangers will not be a legitimate Cup contender. The mess is in the Top 6, not the bottom 6. The Top 6 are your go-to players. They guys who you need to elevate their game in the playoffs. The guys who are going to get the lion-share of the minutes played. The guys who need to outduel the other team's top players. In the past the Rangers bottom 6 covered for the shortcomings of the Top 6. Guys like BRIAN BOYLE, HAGS, MOORE and others all stepped up. They were better then other team's bottom 6 and it helped to make up for what the Rangers were missing in their Top 6. The bottom 6 was not as good last year and it stood out. Everyone wants to get the back the bottom 6 kind of play the Rangers had before. But that doesn't fix the problem. That just gets us back to where we have a bottom 6 that helps cover up how weak the Top 6 is. That is not a recipe for winning a Cup.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:34 pm EST

Excellent news if you’re a Sabres’ fan. Not so excellent news if you’re a fan of equal justice and athletes facing the same penalties are John Q. Public. I mean, SOMEONE crash O’Reilly’s car into a goddamn Tim Horton’s. And yet the case somehow magically falls apart?! I can guarantee that if myself and a drunken buddy smashed into a fast food joint and then fled the scene…one of us would have to pay the piper. No F’in way does someone not connected get off from a clear-cut open-and-shut DWI. Un-friggin’-believable: http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2015/07/13/ryan-oreilly-charged-with-impaired-driving-leaving-scene-of-accident-after-incident-in-ontario/

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:20 pm EST

Vic i think fishboy had plans a-z, is now on 1-26.....so far he's caught snappers, no blue fish......guess that's why Nash's name keeps rumoring up....his pay is not that high compared to some of the nhl kid new contracts. They need to get back 1 or 2 guys to replace him on the roster, if they are going trade him.....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 11 2016 2:13 pm EST

TD: GRABNER is a great example of a guy who PRUCHA'd. He had a great rookie season in that he scored 34 goals. You could even say his second season scoring 20 was good. But that was many years ago and he hasn't been that player since. And when you look at his numbers there is no balance. In every year but one he had more goals then assists. With HAGS his assist numbers are always as high or higher then his goal numbers. What it tells me about GRABNER is that he doesn't make anyone around him better. It validates what I've seen from him over his career. He gets breakaways because of his speed just like HAGS. But that is pretty much the extent of his game. He doesn't generate offense any other way and doesn't make anyone around him better. He could never do what HAGS did with the Pens last season. He could never be a catalyst to a line because he adds nothing. But if you can get him the puck while he is flying the zone he might score a goal. He is a one trick pony.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 1:24 pm EST

E – Sorry man…I get your point, re: puck possession, and don’t disagree. Obviously, the longer you hold onto the puck, the greater chance you have of winning the game. And a great example is the Sharks…the just couldn’t hold onto the puck…their demise was evident early on when they couldn’t boost that stat…but that said…there’s a MAJOR problem with what you’re asserting on Yandle and that is the guy was a human turnover machine. He lead the team with 76 giveaways…and I could accept that a bit…creative players do tend to take more chances…more ‘high-risk, high-reward’ plays…but those players also tend to balance giveways with takeaways…and with Yandle, that simply wasn’t the case…Look, I get that it’s hard to watch the best of Yandle and look at his stats without getting a nervous pang about what life without him is going to be like…but the truth is, Yandle was a guy who was brought in here for a very basic and distinct reason –improving the PP –and only marginally did as such. And that was at the expense of the defense…That meant instead of having two weak links on the right, we had two on the right and one on the left…just another stat to point out about Yandle...despite hardly ever touching the ice on the PK and racking up a fair amount of PP time…and despite being on the ice for no less than 47 goals for…the guy STILL racked up a negative differential. The scary part? There was only one player to pull on a Ranger jersey last season who had a plus-minus as bad as Yandle…and he got traded away to the Canucks mid-season. Even Dan PAILLE, who was an utter disaster, had a better plus-minus…Now I know stats aren’t everything…and I really do wish I was just looking at stats…but what I saw from Yandle last year…the only place where he’s going to be marginally missed is on the powerplay…even there, the guy barely took shots on net…just a waste of a talented player…the only regret about Yandle is that the Rangers had to lose a pick and a prospect to get his worthless ass. Addition by subtraction. I’d rather have Mat ‘Adventures in D’ BODIE on our blueline…

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 12:57 pm EST

Vic - Just wanted to point out that GRABNER is both a 30-goal and 20-goal scorer...of which HAGELIN has never achieved...Very similar players, speed-wise...but if you're saying Grabner's hands are worse than Hags, then you're not looking close enough at one or the other or both...The main key difference between the two? Grabner is getting paid like a third or fourth liner. Hagelin is getting paid like a top-six forward.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 12:56 pm EST

Hospo: but the top-6 is also set on this team. I may hate the skating of Stepan or nitpick other stuff. But CK, Stepan, MZA, JT, Brassard, and Nash are your top-6. A productive unit. The bottom-6 is obviously much less impressive.

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 12:49 pm EST

You see TD: that's only part of it. But just looking at his production is a post metric. The game is played all night long and is fluid. When Yandle was on the ice the NYR had the puck. And this from a team that ranks low in the league in puck possession to begin with. I watched teams continue to uptick the value of the possession game. It wins more often then it loses. Look at Chicago and LA. Multiple cups under the idea that the other team should just not touch the puck. So, while the loss of Yandle in the macro looks pretty ho-hum you now have a defense that as constructed last season couldn't maintain the puck. You had Girardi who was tantamount to bouncing a ball off of a wall. He stops things but then doesn't get the puck back. KK who can retrieve the puck but is no slick stick. Staal whose woes are well documented. And now you get to Mcilrath who gets an incomplete to me. I've seen good and bad from him. Skjei might be good, McD is good. But as a unit? Sketchy. If your defense doesn't win the puck your offense doesn't get the puck. And the NYR game is completely predicated on the concept of a defense that not only retrieves the puck but spreads the ice and allows its forwards to enter the offensive zone with the puck on stick. It's not a unique idea but playing the game 200' from your net is a whole lot better of an option then spending half the game in your zone chasing pucks around. I don't put all things in enhanced stats but I do think the most important marker for success and failure is possession. Teams with pucks win games. People talk about the speed component of hockey and I agree, playing fast is the game now. Quick transitions, quick movement. Obviously everyone is blowing PIT right now for their speed. And impressive as it was the speed is only the sexy part. It's the possession that arguably matters more to me. And that's why I think when all the visual stuff is done and the rudimentary production stats are weighed and you look deeper? That where you begin to panic a little more because the team that sucks at maintaining control of the puck just got rid of their greatest puck manager and replaced him with nothing. That's one of the scariest things to me. And I guaran f'in tee it's going to reflect in the win column until it is remedied. Should consider ourselves fortunate that at least when we watch them, the goalie masks this as well as he does. But take the goalie stats out of the equation? Yikes!!!

E


Mon Jul 11 2016 11:28 am EST

Fast and Lindberger are legit NHLers...But run of the mill NHLers at that..FAST is a solid third liner, good effort and good head but should be nowhere near top 6..Lindberg has the makings of a third liner and MAYBE more, but the Rangers would be foolish to count on him until he shows some of his poor showings last year were more reflective of injury and AV usage then his game..But, all in all, nothing special

Hospo


Mon Jul 11 2016 10:44 am EST

As for what has gone down in free agency and in trades (or the lack thereof) things have gone so far much the way I thought they would. STAMKOS was Option A, B and C for the Rangers to do something that could immediately make the team much better, address a critical need that has been missing for almost 20 years and do so without have to gut the roster. Once STAMKOS was gone there was no other plan or option for radically transforming the core of this team for the better. There are the deck chair signings of GRABNER and GERBE. There may also be a trade or two coming but nothing earth shattering. Again, as it has been said many times here......teams aren't going to fight each other for the chance to acquire anyone the Rangers want to move (GIRARDI, STAAL, NASH, BRASSARD, STEPAN). There are teams that would be interested in some of them but they would want the Rangers to either eat salary or take back their own bad contracts. Neither helps the Rangers. GORTHER's hands are mostly tied here. My expectation is that the Rangers will be unable to make significant moves that make the team anything more then marginally better in terms of the Roster. I do expect a better season out of this mix of players but as constructed right now they don't have the horses they need to win a Cup.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 10:31 am EST

Howdy Y'all! VICation is over. Saw the GRABNER and GERBE signings. My thoughts.......on GRABNER......meh. He is a player in the HAGS mold but he is no HAGS. He isn't even a HAGS light. If folks thought HAGS had stone hands then GRABNER must have prosthetic arms. He will help the PK but he doesn't address any of the real problems. On GERBE.....I like him. Always have. And if the Rangers didn't have MZA I would like the signing even more. Hopefully he can stay healthy and contribute when things get rough. But again, GERBE doesn't address any of the real problems.

Vic


Mon Jul 11 2016 7:50 am EST

Rhet. If Jensen turns out to be the real deal then woohoo. What a nice surprise...

RF4L


Mon Jul 11 2016 7:22 am EST

E - Nonsense, re: YANDLE. I don't know where this notion of Yandle being some sort of offensive savior comes from. Or that he was that critical of a piece at all...in one full year with Yandle, the Rangers scored 236 goals(of which he was responsible for five)...that's 16 less than they did the previous season when Yandle showed up for the last 21 games...and had a whopping 11 points during that time. Did the guy help our offense? Of course. But it's not like he came to New York and suddenly the gates opened...no, in fact, he kind of didn't do squat...they didn't even have that great of a powerplay...average at best...with the guy who was supposed to be this dynamic force from the point...why? Because ol' Rocks-for-Brains Yandle continued and then added to the Rangers' trend of overpassing...the guy was/is a great passer...but for heaven's sake, the LAST thing this team needed was to fire the puck around the umbrella any more than it already did...Yandle was part of the problem last season...and frankly, I'm glad he's gone. Addition by subtraction.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 7:14 am EST

As for FAST and LINDBERG, I couldn't disagree with you more. Those guys are legit NHLers and were the Rangers to put either of them on the market, they'd be gone in a heartbeat...they're the type of players every team wants: Solid, two-way players who are both tough and have an offensive upside. Both are guys you could put in just about any situation...and while I'm not going to argue that either will be a star, they're the EXACT type of guys teams look for to fill out their bottom six. The Rangers have had their fair share of AHL lifers plugged into their lineup these last few years...but these guys ain't among them. Not by a long stretch.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 7:08 am EST

schneidw - REINHART ain't going anywhere. He's part of Buffalo's core. Not unless the return for him was someone like McDONAGH...as for Lemieux's kid...he's in Winnipeg now...part of the haul Buff gave up to land KANE.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 7:06 am EST

Justin SCHULTZ would be a good option. Only problem is that he'd mean even more of a logjam on D...And talk about adventures on defense...this guy...he'd get the wall hopping in short order...Schultz would also likely mean an end to McILRATH too...Can't see them moving KLEIN any more...and absent some sort of act of god, GIRARDI will start the year as a Ranger...then again, maybe having Schultz as a seventh defender wouldn't be a bad idea...put him in a no-pressure situation on a one-year contract...Can't recall exactly, but I seem to remember they were in the hunt for him when he spurned the Ducks' contract offer a few years back.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 7:01 am EST

schneidw - Thing is, the more time that goes by, the less and less it looks like VESEY is going to land in Buffalo. I'm sure they're offering him the max-allowable contract and promising him a spot on the team...and that's the same thing Boston, Toronto and likely the Rangers will be offering too...in other words, he has no reason NOT to sign with Buffalo now if he was really interested in the team. I suspect the only reason he HASN'T told them to scratch is because he wants official offers from other teams...of which he can't get until Aug. 15. I frankly think the guy is going to land in Toronto...at any rate, what NASH would do for the Sabres is give the a legit one-two punch on the wing and a fail-safe if/when Vesey doesn't sign and/or KANE is shown the door. They have plenty of cap to fit a guy like Nash into the lineup....he actually makes a lot of sense for the Sabres...but if they're hemming and hawing over whether to move GIRGENSONS, then I suspect what they're offering for him is more like ENNIS, FRANSON and a first.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 6:49 am EST

WIOSA - I'm with you on KANE...a very small part of me says the guy would be a nice add...and that's the part that sees the game the guy plays and not the guy himself. He's a human wrecking ball on the ice when he wants to be...but that said, Kane is a mindless boob with an over-inflated image of himself. And that's putting it mildly. There were some initial questions that his race was more the root of his problems in Winnipeg...but he's done a great job in answering all those questions with his behavior in Buffalo. The Sabres are very badly regretting that deal and I'd be really surprised if they don't trade this guy about as quickly as they can...and probably for pennies on the dollar. Kane is probably the most talented player on the market a team could get for next to nothing...I was also thinking he's the prototypical New York Ranger...guy with his career on the rocks...Glen Sather reclamation project...again, not that I want him here...I just see it as a distinct possibility if the Sabres and the Rangers ARE working out a deal.

tdchi


Mon Jul 11 2016 12:25 am EST

E. The strange thing about Yandle and his offensive contributions... all of 2 PP goals and a 3 percent shooting percentage aside. I agree, he was a catalyst and will be missed... but the reality is he didnt improve the NYR offense much at all.. which again points to the forwards... same issues as I pointed out on the defensive end exist on the offensive side... the forwards were not aggressively entering the zone and winning battles behind the goal line. not fighting hard along the boards or in front of the net... You may disagree, I think the NYRs biggest problem is ineffective forwards, the worst being Nash when you factor in his salary... I think Lindberg and Fast are AHL players.... Zucc is a nice 2nd liner at best... the NYRs will not miss Stalberg, Moore, ...Gorton needs to find speed, size and grit on the wings asap!

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 11:18 pm EST

Schneid: their best puck carrying defenseman just walked out the door and took a good amount of offense with him. The kind that no one on the current roster is gonna make up. This is why I think they were big in on Shattenkirk, Barrie, and Fowler and had their name attached to every single puck carrier out there.

E


Sun Jul 10 2016 10:41 pm EST

Nash to Buffalo: Could Gorton pry Reinhart who is young, cheap, center whom is not critical to Sabres since they have Eichel and Reilly as #1/2 centers... trading Nash and his salary frees up other options to get some grit on the wing... Buffalo has Claude Lemiuax son in the AHl

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 10:22 pm EST

E. not so sure, if the NYRs trade Nash, I think its for support on the wings....The defense is set assuming the NYRs give McIlrath and Sjkeij a fair shot... All eyes on Girardi/Staal rebounding which is more likely to happen than not... ALOT of the NYRs problems on the defensive side stem from the poor effort and non-gritty play of the forwards whom often were not willing to pay the price on the backcheck/along the boards/in front of the net... the defense didnt have anytime to clear the puck and got forced to chase the puck ALOT... I was very disappointed in the defensive play of Kreider, Brassard, Miller, Hayes, Lindberg, Stalberg, Moore.. they all sucked defensively.. Kreider/Brassard were the laziest defensively IMHO... totally unacceptable considering how little offense these guys aside from Miller were contributing... the NYRs looked lazy last year.. not willing to pay the price.. I think Gorton has to shake things up a bit to freshen the room... I think we are stuck with Girardi/Staal.. so the fix has to be with the forwards IMHO...

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 9:28 pm EST

I don't buy those rumors at all but it tis the dog days. If Nash is gonna go then you can be sure a high skill defenseman is coming back. And it isn't gonna be another stick in the mud. Frankly, I don't think the New York Rangers are gonna move Nash at all. But, I'm sure they'd like to get one of the toxic twins contracts off of the books. And I'd bet my last dollar that if there is a player who can regain his game between those two it's Staal. G is just an empty nest.

E


Sun Jul 10 2016 7:56 pm EST

NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily..... Not reaching for much here, seems like if Girgensons is the main piece, Nash will remain a Ranger for now..... (Nash) I don't wanna keep everyone waiting, but I want more specifics about St. Louis and Detroit. Seems to me that Detroit has the tools

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 10 2016 7:40 pm EST

Per NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily ..... NYR do not have interest in Evander Kane right now. Would like to see off-ice issues cleaned up...... Right now, the NYR are exploring other options and I can confirm they have interest in D-man Justin Schultz.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 10 2016 7:33 pm EST

Here is a confirmation of a previous rumor I already saw. Interesting..... Per NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily ..... Basically what I have right now is that Buffalo has Girgensons and picks on the table for Nash, however STL and DET are making a push.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 10 2016 7:28 pm EST

Nicklas Jensen says that his plan for next season is to go into training camp with confidence, "hopefully play well and have a great year." (NYR) Jensen said that his "goal" is to make the Rangers out of training camp and develop a trust from the coaches. (NYR) He said that the trade from the Canucks organization was a "great opportunity" and allowed him to get a fresh start. (NYR) Jensen said that things worked out well for him in Hartford and he credited his production and strong play in the World Championships with the confidence he picked up with the Wolf Pack. (NYR) He said that he thinks the Rangers got him at a "great time" and he wants to take the "next step." (NYR)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 10 2016 7:07 pm EST

Wiosa.... The Ennis/Franson rumor is a couple of weeks old (I don't know why it picked up steam again this week). Allegedly, the NYR would only trade Nash to Buffalo if they included Girgensons. IMO, Franson is a dump to match up salaries better. Tyler Ennis also does nothing for me. I would much rather watch Nieves or Tambellini struggle if that were the choice. BTW, I've also seen variations like Girgensons,Ennis, Franson, plus a pick for Nash and Girgensons plus a 1st round pick. I still think it's rumor mongers taking available players and doing the mix and match thing (JMO of course).

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 10 2016 6:38 pm EST

Schneidw: Nash stated that he would not accept a trade to a Canadian team...

mf


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:37 pm EST

my trade proposal

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:36 pm EST

Nash to Toronto for Van Riemsdyk and Lindberg and 3rd rd pick

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:30 pm EST

i forgot to add Buffalo is already paying top line$$$ to LWs kane and moulson

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:05 pm EST

NASH->Buffalo: This trade makes no sense... Buffalo is trying to recruit Vesey to sign before he goes UFA next month... I doubt they would add another scoring winger before knowing if they can land Vezey for nothing....Nash to VAN makes the most sense IF he approves a trade to BC but VAN has nothing to trade to offset talent/$$ to any fair measure... not sure who the NYRs can trade Nash to and get fair market value... he is expensive, getting older and slowing down, and an huge injury risk... I was thinking MTL but they went another direction... We hear about STL but arent they up against the cap too??

schneidw


Sun Jul 10 2016 2:53 pm EST

Please not Franson. He's awful.

thedoc85


Sun Jul 10 2016 12:14 pm EST

I have no idea why the Rangers would have interest in Ennis or especially Franson. A 6-5" pylon. They already have enough pylons.

Bob


Sun Jul 10 2016 11:50 am EST

Does anybody have a rumor source on this???

E


Sun Jul 10 2016 9:25 am EST

perfect for saton to try to save him from himself......a no-brainer.....

stevielegs


Sun Jul 10 2016 8:10 am EST

Evander Kane? Really? With his track record which is only worsening with age? Aahh pass please!!!

RF4L


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:18 am EST

"First, Wayne Gretzky. Then Patrick Roy. Now, P.K. Subban and Shea Weber have reaffirmed the axiom that anyone can be traded*. *Except for anyone on the Rangers."

stevielegs


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:17 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/09/how-panthers-show-aftershocks-of-nhls-erased-bridge-contracts/

stevielegs


Sun Jul 10 2016 5:14 am EST

Kane is from Vancouver... Vegas odds are that he winds up there, suspended, or joining Voynov on the Moscow Mommy Maulers...... Vegas odds are Vesey to Boston, Toronto, or Beefalo, in no particular order... If Hayes to Beefalo helps them sign Vesey it may prompt them to trade with us... Do we really need or want Franson?

mf


Sun Jul 10 2016 2:00 am EST

TD my thoughts too, except whereas Ennis is not impressive, Franson looks promising....be nice to have some #1s . As for Evander - Id pass. It's not just the headache he brings to the management, it brings tension and distraction to the locker room. What exactly has Evander done that is worth that? We dont have strong leadership, and we already [probably] have a distraction with Hayes lassez faire attitude. Id pas on him. As always JMHO

WIOSA


Sun Jul 10 2016 12:37 am EST

WIOSA -If we took ENNIS and FRANSON....AND...salary...we'd end up adding cap...Those two players alone have a $7.9 million cap hit. And that's not even considering the fact they're both overpaid. While it'd be nice to have two first overalls next season...if Gorton does that, we know once and for all that he's a boob.

tdchi


Sun Jul 10 2016 12:29 am EST

Well...since Brooks is so goddamn bored he's writing BS about the Mets now...I figure now's a good time to chuck out this nugget: Supposedly the Sabres have interest in NASH. Why? I don't know...but it appears as though Evander KANE'S days as a Sabre are nearing an end...he had two incidents in less than a year and now apparently the NHL is considering sanctions against him for an alleged attack on a girl outside a bar. The Buffalo News --a very respected paper --recently indicated he may have his contract terminated. I can't ever see THAT happening...but I do think they'll try their darnedest to trade him...Lo and behold, the Rangers need a player EXACTLY like him...a banging winger with speed, attitude and a chip on his shoulder...the Rangers have also allegedly been eying Zemgus Girgensons, a sparkplug center/wing who has a fair degree of talent, excellent speed and plays a great two-way game...but who has sort of lost his way in Buffalo since EICHEL and O'REILLY took up the top two positions in center...the latter is also allegedly on the ropes as a Sabre after landing himself a DWI...but O'Reilly is apparently buds with Nash...and could convince the winger to accept a deal to Buffalo...Meanwhile, we're just about a moth away from VESEY becoming a UFA...and the fact the Sabres haven't signed him yet suggests to me he has no interest in signing there...so how about a deal? Nash and Kevin HAYES for Kane, Girgensons and the rights to Vesey...Rangers would end up with lines like so: Kane-Stepan-Kreider, Zuccarello-Brassard-Miller, Vesey-Girgensons-Buchnevich, Fast-Gerbe-Grabner until Lindberg comes back in November and bumps one of the bottom six to the bench/waiver wire/Hartford.

tdchi


Sun Jul 10 2016 12:22 am EST

Rhett, Im hearing Ennis/Franson/1st = Nash and we retain some salary. We dont want to retain salary. That's what Im hearing. Again, through the grapevine, I have no inside sources.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 9 2016 11:10 pm EST

The Nash to Buffalo rumors are getting interesting (and almost believable). I think it's mostly a case of matching up names that were available in prior rumors, but it's interesting none-the-less.The latest is Nash possibly for Girgensons and Franson. With this deal we would clear out cap space (Franson has 1-year left on his deal) and picking up Girgensons would give us the ability to trade Stepan in another deal. I might do Nash and Girardi for Girgensons, Franson and Evander Kane :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 9 2016 9:08 pm EST

Hospo... Seriously? Grabner is in the top 1% of the League in terms of speed. He's in the same class as Carl Hagelin. He's faster than players like Crosby, P. Kane, and R. Kesler. I like Stalberg, but he's nowhere near that class. Stalberg is more physical? Based on what? One season? Before coming to the NYR, in Stalberg's 3 prior seasons he had 43, 54 and 55 hits. Grabner in his three prior seasons had 68, 62 and 41 hits respectively. Playing in the NYR system and for Beuke, I'd expect Grabner's hit stat to be close to Hagelin's(but we shall see)... Durability: In Stalberg's last 4 seasons, he's played 47, 70, 25 and 75 games. Grabner has played in 45, 64, 34 and 80 games respectively. Seems pretty much dead even to me. IMO, if Grabner is utilized properly, he could replace about 95% of what we had with Hagelin. How does that make Stalberg better than him? Also, from everything I've read, the NYR were trying to sign both, but they wanted Stalberg to wait until they cleared out a bit of room to fit him(Glass maybe). Too bad he wasn't willing to wait.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 9 2016 7:03 pm EST

HOSPO: in terms of going into the season one of my biggest concerns remains who is gonna take F/O especially in the defensive zone. They were a sucky faceoff team to begin with. What are you gonna do? Throw Stepan and Brass together on the d-zone draw or pray that Hayes, Lindberg, or JT find their way in the dot? That's a weakeness. It's gonna be set plays off the faceoff by other teams and high % shots against on net...

E


Sat Jul 9 2016 6:29 pm EST

Stalberg just as fast..more physical...more durable..had some good chemistry with alot of Rangers... Grabner gets the nod on PK, that's it...Ditto with Gerbe, who can PK and nothing else, despite the big chip on his shoulder....Miight be nice to have a center that can take FOS also..

Hospo


Sat Jul 9 2016 6:07 pm EST

Rumor Roundup: Canucks still in the market for forward help.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-canucks-still-in-the-market-for-forward-help/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 9 2016 5:55 pm EST

Viktor Stalberg said that he tried to get an extension with the Rangers but couldn't make a deal work. (Sportbladet) He said that the Rangers had some "bad cards" and could not make a decision, so he decided that he didn't want to "wait any longer" and signed with Carolina. (Sportbladet) Stalberg signed a one-year deal worth $1.5 million with Carolina and called them a "very young and promising team." (Sportbladet) It was reported that the Rangers were interested in bringing Stalberg back but his price was a little too high for them. (Per SNY) Grabner and Stalberg have pretty similar stat lines from last season but Grabner killed a lot more penalties and while Stalberg has nice speed, Grabner is in the top 1% of the league with his speed. Grabner is a bit younger and at the very least does have 20 and 30 goal seasons on his resume, though expecting anything more 10-12 is probably asking a lot. Stalberg was a good player for the Rangers and I expect Grabner will fill his role and more this coming season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 9 2016 9:48 am EST

moof ruff rough

stevielegs


Sat Jul 9 2016 9:28 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lWAcY9IXE

mf


Sat Jul 9 2016 8:29 am EST

i like lb, he's a fellow wallster....carp, gross, zipay are ok ..... there aren't many others covering the nyr practices and games.....the ss minnow has fishboy as it's navigator now...a 3 hour, week, month, year , decade tour.......welcome to Gilligan's island....or fantasy island...boss the plane.....plain....i think that might have been moof screaming that. ... or maybe he's Gilligan...or lb........lol....moof''s world.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 8 2016 7:31 pm EST

Ha know the dog days of hockey summer have hit when The Wall is arguing about the merits of Larry Brooks. It's kinda like rippin' into an athlete....he sucks, he's worthless.....when he's making more in one year than most of us make in 10 or maybe a lifetime. Brooks is a low IQ writer? He's widely known as one of the most powerful people in hockey and he makes a living watching the Rangers and Yankees interacting with the players, etc. Yeah, he's a real dope and a shitty writer. He's living a life a lot of people dream of.

JFC31


Fri Jul 8 2016 7:11 pm EST

This is looking like a long, cruel Summer. I for one am Glad that Brooksie gives us some fodder to debate and discuss. I look forward to Slap Shots every Sunday. And it is a guilty pleasure for me. So go ahead and judge me! ;)

Bob


Fri Jul 8 2016 5:45 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jets-lock-up-mark-scheifele-to-eight-year-contract-extension-that-may-prove-to-be-a-bargain/

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 5:42 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/avs-lock-up-mackinnon-with-a-seven-year-44-million-deal/

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 5:27 pm EST

Gawd I wish Gorther would get off his hands and do something. This summer is unfolding as one of the worse in years in RangerLand.

RF4L


Fri Jul 8 2016 4:50 pm EST

HOSPO: The issue is Brooks SAYS he is REPORTING things. He is NOT an editorial writer, he is a sports reporter. His job in not to entertain, his job is to report. He makes stuff up, sensationalizes and lies in order to make himself seem like he has some sort of advanced knowledge. He has been far far off when it comes to contracts and stuff. Remember he said it would take 6+ to get McD under long term, and Hank would be a MAX deal. He was wrong on both, does he even say it surprised him that those two signed for less? Of course not, he just like stop stir stuff up. I don't like that in a reporter.....a reporter should report what he hears, not make stuff up. At least say "in my opinion" with contract stuff he flat out makes it sound like someone told him the way it would have to be. He writes like he has a source, but doesn't say he does....as if he is the source. He is a poor example of a sports writer. Others entertain in their writing but without all the made up stuff and the low IQ style of writing.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 8 2016 2:22 pm EST

TDCHI - I wouldn't say 4 mill of cap space is nothing for a team that might be considering NASH but ..hey. maybe we are stuck with what we had last April afterall......As for"You guys like him because he parrots what many here say/believe. But I think folks here have a better track record of being right than he does...Don't care."..Obviously you do care or you wouldn't have replied...And it has nothing to do with parrotting what I belive....and....Being right on the Wall means jack shit, it's not a contest that some make it out to be...Just a bunch of worthless opinions......I just like his style and his willingness to put things out there and entertain..It's what he's supposed to do....or he would have been fired long ago,,

Hospo


Fri Jul 8 2016 2:12 pm EST

Hospo - Most reporters when they get something utterly wrong have to write corrections. Not ol' Brooksie. I dig it. You guys like him because he parrots what many here say/believe. But I think folks here have a better track record of being right than he does...Don't care...as for BERNIER, he was part of the original ANDERSSON deal...but the Leafs owed him $2 million bonus on July 1 the Ducks couldn't fit under their cap...so hence the delay. Much ado about nothing.

tdchi


Fri Jul 8 2016 1:52 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/7/8/12126728/mats-zuccarellos-brother-signs-with-the-flyers

stevielegs


Fri Jul 8 2016 12:37 pm EST

MF - I guess it is "something"..the hopes and dreams of some 17 year old kid..while I hate to shppot them down, I just can't read them..Again, to each their own

Hospo


Fri Jul 8 2016 12:30 pm EST

Hey, something Rangers to read: http://thehockeywriters.com/the-rangers-2016-pathway-to-the-stanley-cup/

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 11:42 am EST

And Gorther fiddles...

RF4L


Fri Jul 8 2016 11:33 am EST

Wasn't ANAHEIM mentioned as a possible landing spot for NASH( Fowler or Theodore)? well, they just traded for Bernier and his 4.15 MIL CAP HIT from TOR....A door closes..Does another one open somewhere?

Hospo


Fri Jul 8 2016 11:09 am EST

geez its quiet out here... there was an article on the hockey news yesterday about the expansion draft, and the guy overlooked the fact that Girardi has an NMC and Must be protected... These guys don't bother to did a little deeper and confirm their data..... Unlike the proud card carrying members of the RFC CJC who are ALWAYS RIGHT........ OAN: If this Vesey kid (LW) signs in Beefalo, more pressure on "Rap Sheet Kane" as Vesey could fight for the 2nd line spot along side EICHEL... Seems those two have a friendship & chemistry........ Maybe "Rap Sheet" can join VOYNOV in the KHL..... Looking forward to the RFA signings around the league, then the trade activity should pick up..... The "TRADE-ER-RATOR" is considering reorganizing under the name, "TRADE-O-RATOR"

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 11:01 am EST

I'm with Hospo on Brooks...one of the only guys whose called out Management over the years.....and players.

MelvilleFred


Fri Jul 8 2016 10:54 am EST

TDCHO - You're trying too hard on the Brooks thing...BFD on that story,...You write every day, you're gonna be wrong.........Personally, I couldn't care less about the wrong..I'd rather be entertained....I'd rather he stir the pot....Brooks entertains me....The other are a waste of space,,,,

Hospo


Fri Jul 8 2016 10:53 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/jimmy-vesey-leans-on-jack-eichel-while-decision-looms/c-281137256

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 10:36 am EST

http://blueseatblogs.com/2016/07/07/dont-count-jimmy-vesey-joining-rangers/

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 10:24 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/buffalo-sabres-push-hard-for-ncaa-star-jimmy-vesey/

mf


Fri Jul 8 2016 8:56 am EST

Incidentally, I did mispeak about Cerny...he is NOT the Rangers' spokesman, nor is he employed by MSG. Rather he is employed by the NHL to promote the Rangers. So if there's any gripe about Cerny's softball questions, consider this: He's got to bosses to appease. Buttman and the Dolans. Sweet job, but I'm not so sure I'd envy having those two clowns hovering over me.

tdchi


Fri Jul 8 2016 8:44 am EST

Dog days of summer already...especially if we're now debating beat writers...sheesh...I can agree to disagree over Brooks...but just to show you what an unbelievable tool he is --employed by the worst of the worst of newspapers in the northeast --here's an excerpt from a story he did that is eerily similar to the one he just barfed out on KREIDER: "It was Christmas in July for Derek Stepan but a lump of coal in Jeff Gorton’s stocking, this gift of Buffalo’s seven-year, $52 million ($7.5 million per) extension to Ryan O’Reilly that kicks in next season and will keep on giving headaches to the Rangers and their newly installed general manager. In a flash, Friday’s agreement between the needy Sabres and the 24-year-old center they obtained from Colorado last weekend blows to smithereens any hope the Blueshirts had of signing the 25-year-old Group II free agent center Stepan to a long-term deal in the range of $6.2 million to $6.5 million per. It likely means Stepan, whose numbers are superior to O’Reilly’s in every meaningful category other than faceoff efficiency, not only will file for salary arbitration by Sunday’s 5 p.m. deadline, but could be in line for a two-year award taking him to unrestricted free agency worth well over $7 million per." SOOOOOOOOO....I'm not sure if anyone recalls how this one played out...but STEPAN, just three weeks after Brooks made his fantastic prognostication in print...and stirred this place too from what I recall...signed a $6.5 million deal over six years...exactly what Brooks said was no longer possible...and what Jeff Gorton would be agonizing over...How did such an ASS-tute writer make such a miscalculation? Well, one year later, we have the same clown making the same stupid assumptions...why? Stir the pot. In a void of information, do what the Post and its Australian overlord advocates with all of it's journalism: Make shit up. I will give him this though, he makes us riding the Clueless Jackass bus seem pretty goddamn savvy.

tdchi


Fri Jul 8 2016 6:53 am EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/new-ahl-rules-take-aim-fighting/

stevielegs


Fri Jul 8 2016 6:38 am EST

sorry wrong wall

stevielegs


Fri Jul 8 2016 6:37 am EST

watch the pos shot the cop in the back and then execute him....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680097/Protests-sweep-nation-thousands-demand-justice-Alton-Sterling-Philando-Castile-black-men-shot-dead-police.html

stevielegs


Fri Jul 8 2016 5:24 am EST

Kid k should give gabby Hayes a few shots to Whtfu ....he should also take some fighting lessons ...

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 11:02 pm EST

E - You might be right.and to take it even further maybe the two aren't unrelated....Kreider does chirp and can be a punk..and maybe that's part of the reason the refs watch him ike eagles..they want to call penalties on him to shut him the hell up..Just a possibility..Either way, the guy gets very litte leeway..like many other NHLers do....Agree that MZA, Kreder, and Miller are the keys for the Rangers..all three must be a hell of alot better ..and more team oriented this year..I really think this s the year or should be that JT MILLER starts becoming a leader....

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 10:47 pm EST

Chris Krieder has two things going against him. 1. He's a dick. He chirps a lot, and he'll back it up. And he'll nail you if he gets the chance. The refs know this. They see it. 2. He is a physical freak. One of the strongest players in the NHL. Can just throw people around so players have learned to dive on him. The moment he gets a shoulder leaned into you they go down like they've been shot. How many times has an arm gone up and Chris Krieder has this WTF on his face? It's maddening. It really is. But Chris Krieder has also muscled pucks to the net with the defender trying to push him wide and he is so strong he just puts the defender and himself into the goalie. Now I don't think he has intentionally done it every time but there have been a few times where he just drove right into the net. So players hate him. But he reminds me of Rod Brindamoir or Eric Lindros. They're just so much stronger then everyone else. I'll never forget Lindros just throwing Buekeboom out of his way like he was Theo Fluery. I just don't think Chris Krieder has found the balance in it. One thing for sure is, the refs watch him closely. They do not give him a long leash. But I also really do not think the New York Rangers have much interest in moving Chris Krieder. I think JT, Chris Krieder, Zucc are wingers that the New York Rangers have really zero desire to move.

E


Thu Jul 7 2016 10:08 pm EST

Mmm...maybe part of the allure of coming to the Rangers is that Dolans uses his power to keep the media in a gonad vice grip. What players face in say Toronto with the media they can avoid in NY. If that's the case, it shouldn't be under-estimated as part of the wooing the Rangers do when pursuing a prize. Yes, there are lots of places to play in the US where hockey is way down on the list of fan interest and therefore, the media couldn't be bothered but as many on here boost about, it's NYC and that is an attraction in its own right. So come to this fabulous city but no worries about its overbearing media - we will ensure they are strokers, not stokers....

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 10:01 pm EST

TD: Yes and yes and yes. What I'm having issues with is your defense of the NY media (beyond LB). Most (if not all) of those journalist attributes you cite don't apply to the bulk of those folks. MSG neuters them.

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 9:54 pm EST

E - But I do agree with you on Kid Kreider..Physically a total beast..The strength ..The speed..uses those attributes to constanty putting hmself in position to score goals...and that's where he is his own worst enemy..You can literally see him thinking too much...in that few seconds..and know whatever it is, he's going to make the wrong decision..Mitght be better off if he was a little slower..a little weaker..a ittle less opemn so he would just have to react rather than think....Maybe some meds would do the trick???

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 7:34 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nolan-vesey-not-offering-hints-on-brother-jimmy-s-future-1.522180

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 7:32 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/report-kane-faces-non-criminal-harassment-charges-1.522906

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:46 pm EST

MF: I don't think CK would want to take 5-years but at that cap hit I'd love to see CK locked up for 3 because I do think there is more untapped potential that we haven't seen yet. I think he'll clear 50-55 next season and that's a solid winger in today's NHL. I'm not sure what his issue was for the better part of the season but he seemed to round into form down the stretch.

E


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:38 pm EST

Oh, and when Cerny was first hired he was real amicable. He was real fan friendly. But after one season of that they had him injected into a press scrum clearly told the players to answer his questions first. And he would serve up endless feel good, softball questions and answer them. Lundqvist, McD, and a few others seem to get independent space from Cerny but when it's CK, or JT or a few others he puts them in bubble wrap which is funny because I think JT is the most interesting. He CLEARLY has no use for the media whatsoever. You can see the waves of sarcasm in his head and he is doing everything to fight it off. Personally, I think the locker room should be sacred. It's the players place and for the most part the media shouldn't be in there at all. Especially when they have 20 mics in the face, tech guys sitting on the floor, photographers reaching over and snapping away and a million voice recorders, and phones trying to get sound bytes. I think all teams have a press podium and that's what should be used. And the team can role out a couple guys and the coach, let the media get their fill and move on. I hate watching them in the lockeroom. Standing there with their ties on all crooked because they were in a rush to get dressed. You know they're hungry. Hair still dripping wet because they had to power-shower quick before the media was let in. I just don't think the media should ever have access to players on the median terms. ESPECIALLY after a loss when McD literally looks like he is one frayed end from going hulk-smash all over the room.

E


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:31 pm EST

Journalists - very few are anything more than hacks these days. News? Hah! But for entertainment value, priceless. That said, I do enjoy Brooksie. He's a douche, but OUR douche. Also, I admit that I really enjoyed the Frank Brown days. Even if cut from the same cloth as Brooks, a bit more nuanced and sophisticated read. Speaking of writers, I used to see Barry Meisel at a NJ roller hockey beer league a few years ago. A complete tool and, even though his never ending mouth said different, a pretty crappy player.

limbo


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:01 pm EST

Go Brooksie! ... Rangers get tricky Chris Kreider parallel — and subtle trade push... http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/rangers-get-tricky-chris-kreider-parallel-and-subtle-trade-push/

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 4:03 pm EST

TDCHI - True on CERNY..but the other bozos from the other papers are almost as worthless and certainly as bland....Like I said, agree to disagree because all we are doing now is repeating arguements..To each their own.....Go Brooksie!!

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:43 pm EST

RF4L - a real journalist doesn't have to critize or praise. If he/she is worth their salt, their story will say it all. Part of the reason I think Brooks' work is so caustic is that no one in the organization likes him BECAUSE his pieces are rife with opinion and speculation. So now he needs to, borrowing from E, "fill in the blanks" with stuff that just stirs the pot. Case and point: this business about the lack of movement thus far. Or rather his indictment thereof. Truth? There has been almost no movement since July 1(1 trade league wide)...and save for the blockbuster SUBBAN-WEBER and HALL-LARSSON deals, very few deals this off-season. And yet somehow Brooks parlays this into how the Rangers are sitting on their hands? Great example of why the guy is a tool. Hey I read him. I just don't respect him or think he has any sort of great insight.

tdchi


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:39 pm EST

Kelly returns to Ottawa, signs one-year deal..http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/kelly-returns-to-ottawa-signs-one-year-deal/

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:38 pm EST

I will say this, however: NY hockey beat writers collectively are a sad lot in general. Save for Brooks, they write with little insight and offer up precious few nuggets of unique information.

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:36 pm EST

Hospo - Cerny isn't a journalist. He's the Rangers media flack. His job, quite literally, is to talk up the Rangers. In other words, the exact opposite of Brooks. Agree wholeheartedly with E. I can't remember, but there was an old Brooks article I came across when looking for some detail about MEssier's demise and had to laugh at all the stuff he was pulling out of thin air.

tdchi


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:32 pm EST

Cerny is a real scrub - isn't he actually employed by MSG? If so, of course his stuff will always be all roses and sunshine. Those other dudes, tho, aren't employed by MSG. I posted on here previously on Carp's blog why he never criticizes Sather despite the numerous times such a thing has been well deserved. His politician savvy answer? 'What's the point, it won't make any difference.' LOL...imagine if every journalist took that approach - so much of history would be different today...

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:24 pm EST

TD: Give me one example of NY hockey beat writers writing anything critical of the Rangers, especially Ranger management. Hell, Sather escaped even the smallest criticism from these gonad challenged robots even in the darkest days of his regime when he made the Rangers the laughing stock of NA professional sports. He got raked over the coals up here because of, that's for sure and that's one huge reason he stopped talking to the media in general. Yes, MSG can control the writers in NY but nowhere else and he got at least a little of what he deserved up here for his incompetent GMing from 2000 - 2004. As a side note, that helped undo at least a little the unjustified reputation he had built due to his Oiler days, one that had enough shine to help him avoid real criticism for his repeated failures as a Team Canada architect.

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:12 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JULY 7, 2016 11:36 AM If Gorton trades Stepan for Murray and Hartnell he should be fired on the spot. He won’t. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/07/05/kreider-miller-hayes-mcilrath-file-for-salary-arbitration/#sthash.l8JvM5nO.YmHOaiC6.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 3:11 pm EST

E - "Why? Because he calls it like he sees it? No, because he fills in the blanks with his own narrative." What's the difference? I think you're kinda splitting hairs here....Brooks has been flat out wrong on rumors but also nailed a few in his lfie time..Is it just Brown Spits on the Wall by Hu Thru Pu or the nature of passing on rumors? Personally, I don't give a shit as long as it makes for entertaining reading which he usually does...These other bozos like Cerny (especailly), Zip, Gross and others just post regurgitated fluff 100% of the time (talk about lazy journalism!))......And one of my pet peeves on the Wall is Wallsters and this "Brooks stole my crap" yadda yadda.....I tend not to believe most of it as there are only so many views and thoughts one can have about a stupid hockey team....And, even if he did like E says, what better source to use than us folks? At least he has good taste in what he's passing on, be it lazy or not...:)

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 2:58 pm EST

So thats 2 contracts announced today which Kreider & the NYR can refer to for negotiating a new deal if they go 4-5 years..... PALMIERI & PERRAULT

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 2:56 pm EST

Re: KREIDER

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 2:55 pm EST

Jets sign Perreault to a four-year, $16.5 million extension... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jets-sign-perreault-to-a-four-year-16-5-million-extension/

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 2:39 pm EST

Here is my thing with Brooks. He is an outsider/insider. Clearly the players and coaches cannot stand him. Look at Tortorella and Boyle for example. Watch pressers after games and you will see Cerny wedge himself in front of Brooks and none of the players ever call on Brooks. Why? Because he calls it like he sees it? No, because he fills in the blanks with his own narrative. I can think of occasions where he broke rumors that no one else knew about anywhere and they didn't come true. On a long enough timeline you'll realize he just pulls things out of his ass. And that's my issue with him. I glance over his articles but everything he writes I look at with an eye to another source because he is simply full of crap a lot of the time. I also do not like how he has trolled various Ranger forums out there and literally lift other people's words and build on it. It's lazy journalism. He lifted something I wrote word for word some time ago. He is all around looking for a way to tickle NYR funny bones. Just do not like the guy.

E


Thu Jul 7 2016 2:26 pm EST

Hospo...totally agree with you on Brooks. The guy at least calls it as he sees it.

MelvilleFred


Thu Jul 7 2016 12:45 pm EST

TDCHI - I hear your points.. And, ya know, half the time I think Brooks is a bozo for what he writes,..but we'll just never agree here....He's the first and often only Ranger reporter that I look for. unless it's something like mid-afternoon line combos! But that's cool..Hell, maybe I'm biased, I have always like the NY Post's SPorts, and particularly Ranger, writers moreso than any of the NY papers.....DELANO...EVERSON...BROOKS...

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 12:27 pm EST

Hospo – There’s only one thing I hate in all of hockey and I don’t think I make a mystery of its identity here ;)…I don’t ‘hate’ or ‘hate on’ Brooksie. I just think he’s an opportunistic tool…and RF4L mentions other beats not having gonands to challenge players? Don’t agree. The thing most of them have which Brooks lacks is professional etiquette. Brooks is just another uncouth Post reporter. His goal is to stir the pot, not tell the news….and speaking of Brooks…wasn’t there a time here in the not-so-distant past when he was roundly reviled as a Devils’ sympathizer? Either way, the guy goes over the top. And that’s his prerogative as a journalist. But I don’t think it’s won him any friends or sources within the organization…so much of what he says seems more observational than anything else…but he loves, loves, LOVES that word ‘sources.’

tdchi


Thu Jul 7 2016 11:46 am EST

Preview of what playing Toronto is going to look like: https://t.co/V8Qu18nTfC

tdchi


Thu Jul 7 2016 11:13 am EST

And Ray Bourque gets a year " suspended sentence" and was 3 X the legal limit. Wow! Do you think if that was you or me ,we would get the same ? He wasn't just " pulled over" either, he had hit another vehicle while DRUNK. he says 'he made a mistake" .Really. You think it was his first time behind the wheel DRUNK ? Get some help Ray .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jul 7 2016 11:03 am EST

Buch: I think it's important that he experience the competition level in Hartford. It should serve as a learning experience about N.A. Hockey.... Any extra TOI over here couldn't hurt... jmo

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 10:59 am EST

SO, what's Kreider worth on a 5 year deal?.....New Jersey rewards Kyle Palmieri with long-term deal ...The New Jersey Devils have locked down their leading scorer from 2015-16, giving right winger Kyle Palmieri a five-year contract worth an average of $4.65 million per season.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/new-jersey-rewards-kyle-palmieri-with-long-term-deal/

mf


Thu Jul 7 2016 10:52 am EST

TDCHI - As for BUCH, I doubt he has a spot on the team just about assured..Rangers mangement better be smarter then that and make the kid earn his spot or it will be a disaster...The kid has one dimension ready...the rest he might or might not even be close...I'm betting some time in Hartfoird will be the result....

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 10:48 am EST

SCREW VECSEY...........TDCHI - Yep..We got a totally different read form the article and a totally different opinion of Brooks in general....Perhaps becasue your hatred of the guy prevents YOU from reading his article objectively.....He didn't say the Rangers were locked out on deals or that Vecsey would be the only move....He was just reporting on the off-season strategy and results so far as he saw it...and the implications IFFFF other significant moves were not to be made....A perfectly valid subject...And IFFFF no trades were to be made, then signing this schmuck VECSEY would be crucial...Again, very possible.......As for the other bozos, I guess you can call it "objective". but when you have 5-6 reporters writing the same thing every day, I would use words like boring, mundane, repetitive, insignificant and worthtless...

Hospo


Thu Jul 7 2016 8:57 am EST

if they do sign Vescey, they will find room for him if he makes the roster. ....a lot could happen between now and opening night...maybe.....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 8:47 am EST

2. If the Rangers aren’t going to be able to make a material change in the personnel who conspired to play chaotically in their own end pretty much from the start to the finish of 2015-16, then it will be Alain Vigneault’s responsibility to change the team’s system in its own end of the ice.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 8:35 am EST

BTW I don't think anyone is saying Gother is done dealing. What we are saying is the longer it goes the greater the chance that nothing to really change the team's outlook goes down. It's disconcerting....

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 8:27 am EST

TD. Objectivity? From gonad challenged hockey writers? Lol. That's an oxymoron dude.

RF4L


Thu Jul 7 2016 7:14 am EST

re: VESEY - The guy is signing a contract with a team that will guarantee him NHL minutes. There's no question about it. The Preds already granted him that liberty...on a playoff-bound team nonetheless...and he shunned them to play with a team of his choosing. No doubt, he's going to want to slide into someone's top nine. And here's a cold dose of reality: The Rangers have no spot for him in that group...we've got 12 forwards who will be under contract by August 15 and one...BUCHNEVICH...who is all but assured a roster spot... Even assuming our fourth line is FAST-GERBE-GRABNER, with GLASS being the 13th forward...there's no room...unless, of course, a forward is moved...which I do think will happen between now and Aug. 15...and I'm sure the Rangers will be there to put an offer down in the hope he'll sign...He'd be the equivalent to landing a pick in the lower 20s in the first round...but here's the reality: Jimmy Vesey is NOT Steven STAMKOS...he's an NHL-ready winger who plays a good two-way game and has good vision. I have no doubt he could walk onto most NHL teams...He'll probably be good for 15 goals and as many assists...but I'd be surprised if the guy has a breakout season next year or is even in the running for the Calder...and if I'm saying that as a fan, I can't imagine any team is staking their immediate future on him...in short, while Vesey may be part of the Rangers' plans, I simply can't see them trading a player like NASH or STEPAN or BRASSARD...or anyone from their top six to accommodate him...the notion is simply preposterous and why Brooks is kind of...or rather REALLY full of shit...and on a related note...I know a lot of fans talk about friends and familial relations in reference to where a guy is going to land...just to add some perspective on this...how many of you have chosen a job by virtue that your friend works for the company or your brother? Sure it's a factor. But a deciding one?

tdchi


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:51 am EST

rf4l looks like a good year to tank, and they might have the right coach and roster to get it done.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:50 am EST

tdchi there is very little objective reporting on anything. nyr beat writers mostly towed the line so they don't get banned or the cold shoulder.

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:44 am EST

rf4l look what the nyr might have in the next draft...http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/Rangers.htm

stevielegs


Thu Jul 7 2016 6:44 am EST

RF4L/Hospo - That's kind of my point: Brooks basically is an opinion writer, whereas the other beats take objectivity into consideration. If you don't like objective writing, I can understand why Brooks and the Post is appealing. I've known plenty of folks who have worked for the Post before and to say they're up front about their bias is a major understatement...you know right off the bat that if you DON'T produce something that fits their bias and that will grab eyes to their headlines...you're not going to last very long...But I digress...Brooks is a fine example of yellow journalism. He takes what he can get from his "sources" and sensationalizes it. That means he comes out with some pretty fantastic claims...it's not to say sometimes he's right...sometimes he hits the nail on the head...but other times...the guy is just stirring the pot. This is one of those cases. Sorry, but saying the Rangers are done dealing this summer...are locked out of trades...are banking on VESEY(HA!)...it's just not consistent with reality...but then again, claiming they'd struggle to make the playoffs 45 games into the season was pretty much the same thing.

tdchi


Wed Jul 6 2016 9:39 pm EST

Hospo: I rarely read any New York hockey writer and for sure the only with any regularity I do grant my valuable time to is LB. Plenty of what he writes is blah blah blah but not all of it, which cannot be said IMO, of his gonad challenged peers. That alone is worthy of recognition!

RF4L


Wed Jul 6 2016 8:19 pm EST

Jfc- I know Hayes- your portrait is accurate. Also, correct on Kreider, team not really fond of him, not just Hayes. Hayes and Kreider both live downtown. Hayes fairly lazy re: working out- it showed last year.

puckyou


Wed Jul 6 2016 6:36 pm EST

TDCHI - I do consider the source..The NY POST..and love it...It has always been the first NY paper that I read when I wanted to read sports and not just copied AP bull shit or ass kissing propaganda,...And personaly, I don't care what his source or if he's just agreeing with a certain well thought out and accurate opinion on the Wall :)...He's putting it out there for millions of people who don't know what the Wall is to read and like or read and piss all over it....So much better than these other lemmings who's stuff is forgotten in three seconds......That I happen to totally agree with him in this case has no impact whatsoever...:)....

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 6:35 pm EST

JFC - thank you I sincerely appreciate your candor. Puck you - were you the person who posted that HAYES had already decided under no circumstances he was not returning to the Rangers?

DREW


Wed Jul 6 2016 6:32 pm EST

With all due respect, this clamour for Vesey and the belief he's eager to come to NY is well...a tad self centered IMO. The same sort of thinking ended last week when Stamkos elected not to come to the fabulous Rangers. Now the focus shifts to the next sparking gem, albeit less opulence this time. Why would he want to come to NY who look like they're going to struggle for a PO next year and then who knows where the franchise goes after that?

RF4L


Wed Jul 6 2016 6:31 pm EST

Interesting...http://fulltiltnyr.com/case-bounce-back-season-dan-girardi/

WIOSA


Wed Jul 6 2016 5:42 pm EST

Great, we've been down graded to, "rumor" from "reliable source." damn!

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 5:38 pm EST

If Hayes and vescey are friends , then maybe stay away from vescey and trade Hayes to the team his friend signs with....could be two of a kind ....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 6 2016 5:37 pm EST

Hospo - When considering a piece of journalism, you should first consider the source. In this case, the New York Post, which is basically a rumor-mongering piece of garbage. Brooks is part of that mess Murdoch calls a paper. And he plays by the same loose rules as their clown reporters. In fact, he's been given even freer rein to do what he pleases and makes no mistake about doing it. Yeah, sometimes that means he ends up with the edgy piece that calls out Players as he did with that f'ing ridiculous Zed's Dead piece. But more often than not, his "source" is this Wall. Literally. He scans this and other blogs for his fodder and bills it as rumor. The team quite clearly will do him no favors. So sorry, but if you're looking for a good source and a good beat writer, you best keep looking. He's as bad as they come.

tdchi


Wed Jul 6 2016 5:32 pm EST

DREW -- I posted recently that a very reliable source who knows Hayes and Kreider very well claims that the 2 of them are polar opposites and do not get along as a result. Hayes is a party animal and he is arrogant as hell. He hates working out....it's the main reason he showed up,out of shape last September. As one story goes, his dorm room had to be repaired several times because he liked getting drunk and putting his head through the Sheetrock! Kreider, on the other hand, is obsessive about working out and trying to be the best he can be...maybe even a bit too obsessive as he lets things bother him to them Lint of,losing focus on the ice. This has nothing to do with my thought that the Rangers might want to land Vesey....if Hayes being a good friend of his helps the Rangers they will emphasize that in order to get the kid to sign. They also might do what they supposedly did with Hayes....promise no send down to Hartford and guarantee him a top 9 spot. Who knows what's going through their minds? But the fact that they have made very few moves possibly could lend credence to the thoughts by Brooks about Vesey.

JFC31


Wed Jul 6 2016 5:26 pm EST

Not sure why folks are musing about Staal going to Minny, beyond the brother connnection. Until they signed his brother they were all about acquiring a centre and using a d-man as bait to make that deal because that's their organizational strength. Minny isn't Carolina and doesn't need a fad to attract fans. Maybe Carolina would be interested in Marc but it looks like Ronnie Francis is using his head as he rebuilds so that isn't likely to happen. Staal, I'm sure, is alluring to Edmonton - he'd probably anchor their 2nd pairing. Would he go there, however, is the bigger question. I'm betting no - another albatross contract dragging the Rangers into oblivion I'm afraid...

RF4L


Wed Jul 6 2016 5:07 pm EST

moof I don't know!

stevielegs


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:55 pm EST

The "TRAD-ER-RATOR" has been spotted on Doppler Radar. Beware!

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:35 pm EST

We can beat them, just need to change some of the horses.... imo n

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:34 pm EST

This Coaching Conference should be mandatory "Continuing Education" for our beloved coach "A-V ishyssiose!"

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:27 pm EST

MF - It's either find a way to beat the Pens or join them..

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:27 pm EST

s/b: does WEKnow know

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:27 pm EST

FishingLegs: "Does Weknow that we know that he don'tknow the way to go???? “As a coach you have to be careful,” said Vancouver Canucks coach Willie Desjardins, “because it’s one thing to run a system with one team, and then all of a sudden you have different personnel, and the system won’t work with different personnel.

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:24 pm EST

interesting topic: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/whats-the-next-wave-of-coaching-strategy-in-hockey/

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 3:45 pm EST

Luke Schenn? No way and no thanks.

Bob


Wed Jul 6 2016 3:43 pm EST

MF: gotcha!!!

E


Wed Jul 6 2016 3:01 pm EST

& on any potential Krejci deal, I'd like to see NY get him to agree to waive his NMC.... In 2,3,4 years if the league expands again we can leave him unprotected, & or I want to be able to trade him again if necessary

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:58 pm EST

E, I did not intend to imply for us, just meant to add that I too am surprised he is not signed

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:56 pm EST

MF: on a team that had a pedestrian defense where players were just going right around them. Schenn would just make it worse. I like him on the 2008 New York Rangers? Now? No thanks.

E


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:54 pm EST

Dont want Kane, he's high maintenance. We have enough problems.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:49 pm EST

Nash for Bogosian,,:)

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:49 pm EST

OK Hospo, you win, Step & Staal contingent on a subsequent trade of Hayes for Bozak or a Krejci trade

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:46 pm EST

Twitter is claiming Rick Nash was spotted hanging out with OReilly, in Buffalo. Twitter's been wrong before, just repeating.

WIOSA


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:32 pm EST

MF - If you want Nino and/or Coyle you do..STAAL amd HAYES have little value...Stepan/Brass is another story...NASH probably somewhere in between

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:16 pm EST

re: trading with Minnesota: the peices are there, doubt it grows into a blockbuster.... "tlats" I don't believe we'd need to include Stepan or Brassard in that trade......

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:15 pm EST

& LUKE SCHENN is a RHS: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6496

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:12 pm EST

tlats - I got it..ALL in One shopping,,,,Staal, Hayes and nash and eat som Cap for Coyle, Nino, Dumba/Brodin..:)..Unfortunately, don't think Minnesota wants to trade any of them now

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:08 pm EST

With all the teams trawling for defenseman I'm kinda surprised Schenn hasn't found a home yet. I recognize his limitations but he's an NHL player. Rough, tumble guy. Can't skate to well but surprised

E


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:07 pm EST

puck you / JFC31 - didn't both of you have separate posts regarding Hayes and his attitude? I thought you both of you expressed that he doesn't seem to put in a lot of effort in his off season workout, he was clashing with Kreider and even expressed he decided was not returning to the Rangers??? Sorry if this put you on the spot but I thought you both posted some of this earlier.

DREW


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:05 pm EST

Love Coyle and nino. big, strong, fast and young might have to throw in Stepan or Brass and eat some salary along with staal and hayes.

tlats


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:04 pm EST

Sign & trade Hayes & M.Staal as a package for Charlie & Company, "NINO!" If we need to eat $700K of Staals contract to "get er done" we do it! I'd like El NINO to agree to a contract extension too, as he's an RFA after this season....... Then, Double "N" will have a home-boy "NN" to root for!

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 2:01 pm EST

ChumLegs: he has until August 15th to decide, no way we hold up the possibility to move M.Staals contract on the tooth-fairy........ Doubt very much if Hayes is the factor that tips the scale in VESEY choosing The NY Rangers.....

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 1:58 pm EST

trade gabby hayes after vescey decides....

stevielegs


Wed Jul 6 2016 1:56 pm EST

mf...........Hayes is a BUM !..........trust me. No need to hold on to him for any reason whatsoever !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jul 6 2016 1:19 pm EST

Ah Suck it ! Marc Staal & Purple Hayes for COYLE & NINO ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehwSEVbBZl4

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 1:14 pm EST

Minnesota's Line up: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MIN

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 1:13 pm EST

I would forget about counting on VESEY coming here... jmon..... Was revieiwing NICK HOLDEN's (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6564) point production, stature, age, he certainly looks like he can fill a vacancy created by moving MARC STAAL...... Checked Marc Staal on the net, he has two very young kids (an infant & a pre-school) so moving the family shouldn't upset the apple cart too badly... Naturally, MINNYSODA was the destination I reviewed first so he can join his brother Eric... They have the goods to orchestrate a trade; (C)(RHS) CHARLIE COYLE, (W)(LHS) NINO NIEDERREITER.... I have not recently reviewed there LHS vs RHS defensemen to see if they prefer a lefty over a righty.... (& IMO, moving Staal's contract should take precedence over moving Girardi's contract) ...... I'd welcome those 2 in a NY minute AND if we can hold on to HAYES in doing so, I'm not a fan of quitting on the yutes....

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 11:49 am EST

JFC - If the Rangers are counting on Signing VECSEY, they are fools....If they are counting on signing VE CSEY and getting a top 9 player this year, they are even bigger fools............Par for the course.......RF4L - You gotta remember, Brooks i not writing for us Fanatics on the Wall but the Rangers fans that aren't on the message boards and only think about them here and there until the season starts...They needed to be reminded how this team really is....and that's it's not all honkey dorey becasue we signned Niklas Jensen or thet nathan Gerbe has a chip on his shoulder that lead him to a whopping three goals last year..

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 11:38 am EST

Agreed that LB's article is a good one. That said, he's not declaring anything many of us aren't already talking about in here but it is nice to see a NY area writer calling things as they are, vs the gonad-challenged articles the rest of those folks produce. We've been saying for months if Gorther really wants to cut at the core, he's got to have guts and vision to do so. The longer this goes the more it seems he's got neither. I guess the plus side of all this is that it'll likely happen via osmosis when AV is canned and maybe Gorton himself and the pressure to actually do something is simply too much to ignore. It'll suck, however, getting to that point........

RF4L


Wed Jul 6 2016 11:22 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-bruins-dangling-david-krejci-as-trade-bait-in-search-for-defenseman/

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 11:21 am EST

The point that stands out to me in the Brooks article is the reference to Vesey. If the Rangers are counting on signing this guy as a way to make their off-season a resounding success, then that would explain the lack of a big move for,THE ROSTER, regardless of their attempt to trade for the #4 pick. Ya gotta wonder if Vesey is being promised similar things to what the Rangers purportedly told Hayes.....he won't get sent down, he's guaranteed a top-9 spot. Hayes could then be used as proof that the Rangers aren't blowing smoke. NY is close to Boston and if Hayes really is his friend, then Vesey could feel that the Rangers are a good landing spot. He can get blotto and put his head through a sheet rock wall in NY instead of BC.

JFC31


Wed Jul 6 2016 10:45 am EST

Sad about Dustin Brown, but E's assessment is a bullseye. These guys who play that way get worn down. Like Prust, Callahan and many others. The guy is/was a good soldier but last year ended up playing on the 3rd line instead of the top line with Kopitar.

Bob


Wed Jul 6 2016 10:29 am EST

And maybe Brooks is stirring the pot..but at least he takes a stand---ala Zed is Dead--- wit ha Wall-like column.......I have yet to see any of the other milk toast beat reporters offer anything but warmed over news and sound bites..

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 10:25 am EST

TDCHI - hate on Brooks all you want..at least he puts something out there...is accurate (IMWO) and not just ass kissing lap dogs like all the rest that spew propaganda about marginal NHL players (this year) like Jensen, Buch, Brodie and the heinous crap we signed in UFA...

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 10:21 am EST

E - Maybe the bottom line was relatively putrid relative to the rest of the league, but it was basically our best line after the deadline..The problem was and is our top 3 lines.......ANd a big part of the problem was defensively or puck control..We ddin't win or keep the puck in either of the offensive zones...I see no reason for thios to change with the line-up we have now..

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 10:05 am EST

TD: Brown is a shell of himself. Physical no more, a step behind the play. Imagine Callahan in 5-seasons and you have where Brown is. A guy you respect but it's also painful to watch. Believe it or not I think G has more in the tank. Maybe Brown just needs a new address or maybe he's just an empty gas tank. It's sad though. I loved that guys game. Those in the E. Conference would've hated this guy in his prime. Super physical, always in your face and seriously tenacious work ethic. A lot like a better Callahan. But wasn't undersized.

E


Wed Jul 6 2016 9:02 am EST

Holden and McI and Graves + AV = not gonna happen (IMO).

RF4L


Wed Jul 6 2016 7:47 am EST

TD/Yorkie,,thanks for the asessment on Graves, my interest is in chemistry. As in, there seemed to be little to none on this team mid season on, most definitely the last third fo the seaosn. One of the things I was looking forward to, since Ryan and Dan dont have that chemistry anymore was Keith and Dylan, who clicked right away. Well, so much for that. Theyre saying that Brady and Graves have that chemistry. To me it would be worth the try. As we saw with THAT team. You can have two top scorers/defenders on the ice non stop if they dont communicate, if they dont click, theyre useless. Just as always, MHO.....Dylan filed for arbitration, any idea what he'll be awarded or offered?

WIOSA


Wed Jul 6 2016 7:22 am EST

Anything can happen...but my assessment on GRAVES is that he's got some more time coming in the AHL. I didn't see any one thing that stood out about his game in either a good or bad way, which to me suggests he's still not at his potential...Of course, the last time I saw him play was late March...but seemed to me he could use a bit more seasoning...and with the Rangers' top three on the left all but set...I would say there's a very high chance he starts the year in Hartford...Rangers depth is McD, STAAL, SKJEI and HOLDEN on the left...And I suspect they're going to move Staal at some point...even then, Graves would need to crush it to crack the lineup...The guy is huge and will make fans happy when he arrives. Smooth skater for a big guy and plays a very poised game...I'm less convinced about the offensive side of his game...I know a lot of folks rave about his shot, but it didn't strike me as particularly lethal. Probably about as good or maybe a little better than McILRATH's.

tdchi


Wed Jul 6 2016 7:13 am EST

Pal17 - I think the Kings are pretty desperate to get rid of Dustin BROWN and the only reason they'll go into the season with him on the roster is if they can't. West coast team, so I didn't see a lot of him either last year...and the Kings were pretty much the Rangers-west when it came to performance...Brown has certainly lost a step to his game and if you believe what you hear from the west coast, he's their equivalent of GIRARDI...just a guy who went off the deep end with his game. My thoughts are that maybe both teams could benefit by a swap...Brown's problem, IMO, is less about the player hes become, and more about the cap problems he's giving and will give the Kings until 2022...I don't think a one-for-one would be fair...but could envision a situation where a multi-player deal is crafted around exchanging those two contracts. Maybe even a three-team deal where another team eats a bit of each contract in exchange for picks, if that's allowable. Just food for thought...sad to see Brown getting the treatment he's getting. The guy is a competitor.

tdchi


Wed Jul 6 2016 7:00 am EST

Hospo - Just goes to show how different our opinions can be...Brooksie is stirring the pot..or at least trying to...in a void of information, his fills his column with blather...yeah, no f'in shit, Sherlock... The Rangers' problem WASN'T all on the D...no, there was plenty of blame to purse out and it went from the top down...not exactly a news flash...and then the next presumption he makes is that the Rangers were/are somehow frozen out from making any moves this summer because of A, B, C, and D...and again, we get this Brooksian hubris...this uber-arrogant philosophy that if HE somehow doesn't know about something, that nothing is happening. The guy is a bitter old hag who is reviled by the team and needs to get a lot of his info third hand...and yet we're to believe he's got the inside scoop? That the plan now is to sign VESEY and go into the season with the roster as it currently exists? All it takes is a look at who is on the roster to see that what we have going into July AIN'T going to be what we have going into October...and then I had to chortle about his little dig over YANDLE...this is when you know a guy's column has gone off the rails...when he's saying that clown was 'our best defenseman' through the latter half of the season...Um yeah...right.

tdchi


Wed Jul 6 2016 6:31 am EST

E what weeknow wanted versus what he insisted and motivated on, were not equal. He's a blamer. He needs to adjust his system for the roster he has since fishboy is having a hard time adjusting the roster to fit his coach.

stevielegs


Wed Jul 6 2016 6:20 am EST

Puck first GMs don't just look at stats everyone knows what Nash brings GMs watch games scouts etc they aren't stupid. Second Nash is not a one timer sniper on the pp so your pp point is moot and finally how do you replace his scoring the rangers were 7th in the league last year up from 18/20 of prior years and did it with Nash scoring 15 goals that can be replaced. They were actually better without his scoring because they were forced to step up

York18


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:49 am EST

I think Gorton is right to want to trade Nash for the right price- but he shouldn't give him away. Wasn't this guy 2d in goals to OV before last season started- what he have-42- in the current NHL? Someone could use even 30 goal scorers in today's NHL - they are in short supply. When top defenseman are earning 7mm a year, Nash and his contract & stats don't look so bad. It's a poker game, and the GM is waiting for someone to blink. Also, if we are successful and trade him, where are the goals coming from? Will we continue to see Zucc, Stepan, and Brassard play hot potato on the PP with nobody taking a f-ing shot- trying to make the ESPN plays of the week on each wasted PP? To act as if Nash being traded is the answer to fixing this team is a bit naive. Other than the goalie, who is getting older each season, the team will have no stars.

puckyou


Wed Jul 6 2016 4:43 am EST

WIOSA The honest answer is I don't know. I don't think he's ready, but he's damn close. Summer is here and guys can make jumps when they are close over the summer. I wouldn't pencil him in just yet, but he could come in have a good camp and be ready. I would treat him like Skeij from last year on the cusp but will get called up mid season.

York18


Wed Jul 6 2016 3:40 am EST

Hospo: I don't think that there was a problem with the way that AV wanted to play. What bothered me wasn't the system it was the blown assignments, the standing around, the poor reads, the failure to stay cohesive, lack of chemistry. Some of this falls at the feet of the coach. After all, it's his team. But I think as much as anything else, the sudden aging of Moore, the loss of Hagelin all contributed to make the NYR a two line team. The bottom-6 was relatively putrid.

E


Wed Jul 6 2016 3:02 am EST

BROOKS' article is spot on...if only because it agrees with what I've been saying....so far...Other then the first third of the season when The KIng Stole points left and right, this was a bad team last year really a team that shouldn't have made the pos.....with alot of players not fast or quick enough, or disicplined enough, or playing hard and determiend enough to make up for it...And this is the same top six-nine that we have now...especially the soft underbelly at center.....And Brooks pegged it wiht what I have been saying. " Let’s make this clear, once again: The defensemen were not the only culpable parties last year. The Rangers’ repeated breakdowns were also the responsibility of forwards who were delinquent — and even lazy — much of the season in getting back after turning over the puck." and also in winning the puck in the defensive zone...I see ZERO reason for it to change as the personnel is pretty much worse then it was at the end of the year (Hayes back at C, I'll tke Stalberg over Grabner and Moore over Gerbe..except at PKs)....so, the big question just may be, can AV change his coaching stripies or try forcing a failed game plan just like last year and which should have got him fired?.....ANd .If Gorton doesn't make the changes, it's not becasue he didn't have GMs to trade with or the Big bad NHL hated him,,,, it was becasue he wasn't smart enough t in his evaluation of his own players and other players to make trades....Yes, he still has time......But I am not holding my breath...

Hospo


Wed Jul 6 2016 12:30 am EST

Graves & Skjei are both LHS... Perhaps that was not an issue in Hartford, but it is in NY.....

mf


Wed Jul 6 2016 12:30 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/05/rangers-are-relying-on-a-group-that-has-not-been-good-enough/

stevielegs


Wed Jul 6 2016 12:22 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2016/7/5/12098768/rangers-re-sign-jensen-and-bodie

mf


Tue Jul 5 2016 10:53 pm EST

tdchi, I had the same thought. Glad you posted it, don't get to see DUSTIN BROWN play very often. Do you think the Kings are interested ?

Pal17


Tue Jul 5 2016 10:44 pm EST

Yorkie..is Graves NHL ready? Im hearing he is good, he's solid, and he plays a good pairing with Skjei. Is he good on the PK? I know you watch the WP, I dont ...your thoughts?

WIOSA


Tue Jul 5 2016 10:30 pm EST

TD: it's ugly for ugly. I'll put it like this. I like room for bottom-6 players to compete. Entrenchment bothers me where the team is right now. And I can hide inexperience in the bottom-6 but I don't have too many ways to hide a young defenseman who could be in trouble. Right now, the NYR defense is gonna count on Holden, Skjei, Mcilrath to play. Who knows if Mcilrath can handle that many games and bigger moments. Unlike some, I think he had some real rough patches come winter. Chalk it up to inexperience? Talent? Who knows? And there is a lot of assumption with Skjei. He looked ready as could be when he dressed. But it's still an 82-game season in the NHL. Not so easy. So, while I'd love to dump G and maybe even Staal (although I'm leaned towards keeping him and let him play thru his woes) I'm not sure the NYR believe it or not have the depth to part with G unless they are getting a solid NHL defenseman back. And more importantly an offensive defenseman who can carry the puck and do something with it. If I trade a stiff defenseman for an even worse contract for a stiff forward? Doesn't sound appetizing at all. Ironically, I think G might refine some of that game of his with LAK. But then again, they're a team predicated on the simple notion of possession. G has the possession ability of a pinball bumper.

E


Tue Jul 5 2016 8:40 pm EST

Rather that was their worst winning percentage(.388) in the modern era. The worthless tanking Pens managed to out-suck them...Rangers actually made the playoffs that year some how...

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 8:38 pm EST

hipcheck - my kneejerk reaction was to say 2003-2004...which was a truly awful year all around...but stats can't lie: Twas the Herb Brooks/Craig Patrick calamity of 1984-1985. Reijo Ruotsalainen was the lead scorer...

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 8:19 pm EST

Just total musing...but I wonder if the Rangers and Kings would benefit from a BROWN-for-GIRARDI swap....Obviously, the Brown contract is the worst(and more expensive) of the two...but the Rangers could certainly use a guy like him on their bottom lines...another guy who is pretty good at the PK...right-handed shooter. Obviously, there'd need to be some salary eating on the Kings behalf...but bad contract for bad contract? Interesting thought.

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 8:11 pm EST

When is the last time this team came in dead last place in the division or conference? What is the lowest they've ever finished in the entire league (in the modern era)? I'm trying to prepare myself.

hipcheck


Tue Jul 5 2016 8:06 pm EST

F-Poile. I know it's easy to brand some of these NCAA kids as being spoiled brats...but seriously, kids going to college are taking the path of most resistance...can't get much of any help from the drafting team until you go pro...have to go everywhere on your own dime...have to stay in school, which means keeping grades up...and you basically lose two years of your NHL career if you stay through graduation...sometimes more...Kid like VESEY wants to wait for the team of his choice to make an offer? Good for him. Maybe if a good third of NHL teams weren't in lame markets, some of these guys would be more interested in signing...and you know what? There ain't much these guys can get over on the GMs with their first contract...the guarantee to start in the NHL is one that the NCAA players are getting...I suspect the GMs try to change it...but I don't think the NHLPA will have any interest in doing so.

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 7:02 pm EST

Poille is screaming that the NCAA loophole has to be changed. But I'm leaning towards tough titty. If you draft an 18-year old you have him for 2-seasons. If not? But if you draft an NCAA player and he elects to finish his education? Shoulda made a compelling enough reason for him to leave school. Just like any other player. Like a KHL player I believe if you don't get them in a timely manner you lose them. Am I correct? Just sounds like sour grapes from Poille because he lost a serious prospect. You know the GM's want to close this. But frankly, if not you're gonna see some first round talent slipping down.

E


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:53 pm EST

Andy Strickland was on NHL Network Radio and he stated that Shattenkirk was told that he should be prepared to be in a Blues jersey next season. He thinks that they'll try to get him on a long term deal. If they can't, then they'll try to see where they are at the deadline. Either keep him for a run or dump him at an inflated price. Personally, if I'm Shattenkirk and I saw the stupidity of this UFA contract splurge? I ain't signing nothing till July 1.

E


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:36 pm EST

Av will probably make the club's case at Dylan's hearing and recommend a salary of $50,000.

Bob


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:30 pm EST

Rhett,,,ahh, ok. Thanks. Wondering what theyll offer Dylan? I guess Miller will be about 2.75, and Hayes 2.5, Krieder probably about 3.5 . Curious what they would offer Dylan, how can they judge when they hardly played him?

WIOSA


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:26 pm EST

Wiosa.... No he did not. If he went to arbitration, the fear was that he would easily be awarded $7 Mil or more based on comps.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:03 pm EST

Wasnt Stepan awarded 6? I thought he had gone to arbitration, my friend is saying no, they settled before. Anyroad the hearings are in Toronto on August 5th

WIOSA


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:01 pm EST

hospo- luke gazdic to nj ? a shame , we could have used him we need an addition to glass or at least an upgrade , especially if gazdic is in the nj lineup .

docjay


Tue Jul 5 2016 5:58 pm EST

Did our RFA's just file for Arbitration? I wish I could wrap my head around how this stuff works. Kreider, Miller, Hayes and Dylan?

WIOSA


Tue Jul 5 2016 5:44 pm EST

TD: I think you're being a tad harsh on the Kings being a tire fire but I concur in the past few years there have been several questionable managment decisions, the worse being the desire to add Lucic (to an already slow team that has trouble scoring) and then paying the ridiculous price they did to get him. Lombardi has missed the boat on where the league is going and only compounded his near-sightedness with the Lucic trade. SIgning Brown to that deal is another stupid decision - he's untradeable (kinda like Dan Girardi, I think...DOH!) I for one, am glad to see them flounder - I loath bullying teams.

RF4L


Tue Jul 5 2016 5:34 pm EST

Whatever fishboy does it's a cap dump and probably not an immediate improvement ... Hard to do both... Unless he is a mermaid .... The other teams are happy to let him swing on his own hook, line , and sinker ....time for 3 card Monty ... Not you Moof ...

stevielegs


Tue Jul 5 2016 5:16 pm EST

TD: I think that Brown has played his last game as a King. Someone mentioned that the letter was akin to what happened to J. Thornton but it isn't. The culture of the Sharks allows Captains to change. Its not traditional in the sense that you got stripped. In the case of Brown, he is the heart and soul of the Kings but they'll be fine. Callahan was the heart and the soul of the New York Rangers but they survived. Brown right now I think will be a good fit on a team looking for leadership and experience. Maybe, Edmonton. J/K. His salary is so toxic.

E


Tue Jul 5 2016 5:06 pm EST

re: Wysh - Well, thank you Captain Obvious! I mean, is there a big mystery why the Rangers are going the route they're going? Gorton more or less has been telling the media from the end of the season on that he's looking to improve the team via trades...then during the draft, he tells them that the offers he's getting are low balls...then it's some big scandal that the Rangers aren't signing anyone of note after Stamkos signs? C'mon. Take a poll of all of us here and is there anyone who thinks the Rangers are done with their roster tinkering? I think that's one opinion we all share...the pieces the Rangers have make no sense for a team that was said to want to 'dramatically alter' it's look...I mean, first of all, they have too many blueliners...and that's considering one of PALIOTTA or CLENDENING are headed to Hartford and that GRAVES isn't going to push for a spot out of camp...Then the forward lines...well...they don't make much sense...BUCHNEVICH looks to join third line to replace who? Then who is getting bumped to fourth? FAST? And though MOORE and STALBERG are gone, we now have GERBE and GRABNER...so where does GLASS fit in? Or JENSEN, who will need to pass through waivers? Or HRIVIK for that matter? And then the ongoing VESEY rumors...where would he fit in? Because he's not signing somewhere that will start him in the AHL...Nah...Gorton's not done. Not by a longshot. Were I to guess, he's got three significant moves. One will dispatch with either STEPAN or BRASSARD for a top line center who can win faceoffs, another will find a new home for NASH and the last will put Marc STAAL or GIRARDI in a new ZIP code. I will be mildly surprised if there any three of those players are still with the team in October.

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 4:28 pm EST

E - The Kings have been an unmitigated tire fire ever since their last cup. From the Richards, Stoll and Voynov legal debacles...the latter of which lead them to lose a top player to the KHL for nothing...then to the Sekara deal where they lost a very bright prospect and a first rounder for a defenseman that would struggle to make the top four in most teams in the NHL...and the Lucic trade, which never really made any sense whatsoever, save for the fact that they totally overpaid for him...Letting a vet leader like Williams leave...and now the stripping of Brown's captaincy, which makes a toxic asset even more toxic....Team is just a disaster right now. And they've got zippo in the pipeline.

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 3:56 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/former-rangers-defenseman-lou-fontinato-a-symbol-of-old-time-two-fisted-hockey-dies-at-83/

mf


Tue Jul 5 2016 3:34 pm EST

ANDREI: OR the Kings showed the kind of patience that resulted in good results. They didn't panic when they didn't win the cup and missed the playoffs. And with 85% of the same unit came right back the next season. Now we could argue how good/bad the NYR are and I have many issues as well but sometimes the move you don't make is the better move. And I only state that because I have no idea how good/bad offers came across Gorton's desk were. Most of us don't have that kind of inside information.

E


Tue Jul 5 2016 3:22 pm EST

E, to that point, they got burned big time by Lucic trade. Imagine how much crying would have come out of Rangers fan's, had Rangers pull same trade for Lucic last season. They gave up a high 1st rounder, a good d-man prospect Colin Miller and, of course Martin Jones, which himself, was traded for a 1st rounder and another prospect (Sean Kuraly). Lucic did nothing to help Kings in the playoffs, and then he just bolted to sign with Edmonton. Talking about a horrible trade.... Kings are hard pressed to do something big. Another early playoff exit might not go well with the upper management.

andrei


Tue Jul 5 2016 3:14 pm EST

Takes place of TooToo who sigend with the Blackhawks,,,,,Every team has to have one,.,,,one of the reasons why Glass or his cap hit ain't going anywhere.

Hospo


Tue Jul 5 2016 3:11 pm EST

Who asked about Luke Gadzic? Signed with the Devils...

Hospo


Tue Jul 5 2016 1:28 pm EST

I know out here there is a similar sentiment that the Kings did nothing to improve themselves after being exposed in the playoffs. I think they also want to be active in the trade front. They'd certainly love to get their ex-captain off the books but there just doesn't seem to be much trade bait out there or if there is, a lot of GM's have guns pointed but no one wants to be the first to pull the trigger. I'm not sure that there is something that causes it to go off but there is clearly a tension out there and a desire to do something.

E


Tue Jul 5 2016 11:17 am EST

Not sure if it's been posted, but the deadline to file for salary arbitration is 5:00 PM Eastern Time today.

evets1980


Tue Jul 5 2016 11:16 am EST

Also, depending on the moves that the Rangers make, there are some interesting options still floating around in Free Agency: Jiri Hudler, Radim Vrbata, Sam Gagne, Brandon Pirri, James Wisniewski, Justin Schultz, Kyle Quincey.

evets1980


Tue Jul 5 2016 11:13 am EST

From Yahoo Sports Greg Wyshinsky on the NY Rangers offseason: "They’re quiet. Too quiet. Keith Yandle was moved so the Panthers could sign him. Michael Grabner and Nathan Gerbe are depth signings and quality ones at that, especially in a conference that suddenly demands hyperspace speed to excel. But the Rangers stayed on the sidelines for the rest of the Frenzy, partially out of necessity: They have to re-sign Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller, Kevin Hayes and Dylan McIlrath as RFAs. So we’re all waiting for the Big Trade from the Rangers. They’d like it to include the $7.8 million cap hit for Rick Nash, who as a 12-team no-trade list, but have found no takers. There was talk that Derek Stepan was in play, but that hasn’t come to pass. The Nash, Dan Girardi and Marc Staal contracts continue to be anchors around their collective necks. Frankly, the time is right to trade Henrik Lundqvist, but he has both a love of New York and a full no-move. They’re going to do something, and it’s going to be fascinating to see what it is."

evets1980


Tue Jul 5 2016 10:51 am EST

oops above i forgot Grabner for Stalberg and Gerbe for Moore,,,,washouts...........,,And all this praise about how Gorton wisely avoided making deals already and avoided signing pricey UFAs will be false praise if he doesn't significantly (not tweek) turn this team around in the next few months,...Unfortunately, based on all the deals he has made since Last June, I have zero faith in the guy...

Hospo


Tue Jul 5 2016 10:25 am EST

Someone is getting traded and this is in no way the final roster. That will tell the tale of next season. I think there is no way that they don't take a step backwards. How low they will fall remains to be seen, of course.

Bob


Tue Jul 5 2016 10:21 am EST

STEVIE - This was a bottom half NHL team after the deadline and in the POs..So far it has only become worse as the changes are Nick Holden for Keith Yandle..maybe Niklas Jensen for a hurt Ocar Lindberger .and Kevin Hayes back to full 3rd C for Eric Staal..That's it...I'm nauseous just writing that......Hopefully alot more moves to make .......if not. a certain NON-PO team in my eyes..

Hospo


Tue Jul 5 2016 9:45 am EST

rf4l might have to take the bad with the good. either they rearranged the chairs on the titanic or will avoid the iceberg....tbd when the roster is set for opening night and what the coach does or doesn't do .....fishboy is navigating.....the moves so far might be a slight improvement of the roster. 4 out 4 in....so far....maybe....plus the new kids on the block, that might make the roster.....

stevielegs


Tue Jul 5 2016 8:07 am EST

Gonna state the obvious, but if whatever caused the endless poor play last year hasn't been (or won't be) addressed, this year will be horrid and a non-PO finish quite likely (along with AV fired).

RF4L


Tue Jul 5 2016 7:41 am EST

Docjay well we were certainly easy to play against in the end of the season, and the playoffs. We struggled to hold a lead, we had a rough time - as TD stated - coming from behind. We let in so many goals in under two minutes. We were easy pushed off the puck, we struggled to stay in the crease. Hank was doing his best, but he too was spent. Im not one who agrees we improved this team - I sure hope so, but, it remains to be seen.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 5 2016 7:14 am EST

this ranger team is too easy to play against, which especilly the playoffs is a problem because we dont wear down the opposition. we need to play mci regularly add another rugged defensnan as well and add 3 forwards with grit who atlre able to make physical impact , not just the fighting , although its nice send a message at times. everything to now has added to our speed and finesse , so we remain a team thats easy to play against

docjay


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:59 am EST

YORKIE, there are facts, Im just not doing the research again. It is my rememberance of what was happening after midseason. Again, not asking you to agree, it is my opinion....TD Moore was the f/o, Stalberg a fail safe, earlier in his career, for some reason he did well on F/O's ,,,have no clue why. He didnt do terribly for us.

WIOSA


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:46 am EST

As for the Rangers last season, when they were good, they were really good. The problem is, they almost never put together 60 minutes of solid play. They come on with 40 minutes, and then vanish for 20. Or 20 and then vanish for 40. Very few games did they play with the same tenacity throughout. Why? I couldn't tell you. To me, it seemed like a leadership/coaching issue. You had guys who literally looked disinterested for long stretches of games...and we can all point to this guy or that guy...but truth be known, it was lineup-wide...The other serious issue was they had no stomach for adversity. There was a time with the Rangers being down 3-zip were the most dangerous team in hockey...last season, if they came out flat and went down early, they might as well have quit...Are the Rangers now a better team than they were at the end of the season? An emphatic YES. Losing YANDLE and BOYLE and replacing them with McILRATH, HOLDEN and possibly CLENDENING is an immediate upgrade. Two of those guys are bruisers who can pummel people...Clendening is the wildcard and can be an adventure on D. But regardless, he's better than Boyle...Then GERBE and GRABNER replacing MOORE and STALBERG...Losing Dom Moore's hand in the faceoff circle is a bummer, but again I think the replacements will more than adequately compensate. Both players are younger and faster and have better offensive upsides than the guys they're replacing...and really, the only area where you can point to and grouse is losing out puck mover...and as brutal as that may seem, by replacing him with a guy who is defensively responsible, we're ahead of the game...regardless, I don't think the Rangers are done...and ultimately, I think what will determine whether the team is improved or stalled is the attitude they bring to the ice. If guys like STAAL and GIRARDI and a few of the others that have been around for years on end feel it's OK to have this half-ass approached to playing, then no doubt we're in trouble. But if those guys can pick themselves up and give 110 percent again, the Rangers will be in the mix for the cup.

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 6:19 am EST

WIOSA - You've said this twice now, so I have to ask: You keep mentioning how we're losing faceoffs with STALBERG leaving...am I misreading? The guy is/was a winger. And while he may have taken faceoffs here and there, he wasn't particularly good at them.

tdchi


Tue Jul 5 2016 4:30 am EST

WIOSA it doesn't make sense if there is no fact behind it. You're stating your opinion of what may have happened. As for getting better they did get better they had one of the worst PKs in the entire league. They went from top 5-10 to bottom four. They went out and got two forwards who are two of the best at the PK in the league. The PK cost this team a number of games last season where as it won a number of games for them in prior seasons.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 8:16 pm EST

I said there were TIMES the defense outscored the offense, and that does make sense. Im glad you feel that the team is in better shape then at the end of the season. Whereas I understand your argument - I dont agree. At best we stood still - worse case? We took a step back, but let's just say we stood still. We compensated for the loss of Moore and Stallberg (FOs) and Yandle, (quick offensive dman and PP QB) and Boyle (PP qb ) and Glass (puglist). If we made up for all of them, and come out even. We stood still. Because all other teams moved forward. We were not good enough from mid season on last year. If we only replaced what we lost this summer, we are not good. In a comparison to our division/conference - we're worse. Just as always MHO

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 8:15 pm EST

I'm interested to see how Girardi adapts to that shot blocking rule.

LeoS


Mon Jul 4 2016 7:54 pm EST

Wiosa it's your opinion the defense were outscoring the forwards? That makes zero sense. You're making a statement based on zero fact to bring validity to your position. You say they need to get back to defense well they brought in two defensive minded forwards to help with that and both have wheels for days. I am not going to pretend to know what the rangers a/b/ or C plan is or was. I'm sure they were looking at stamkos they'd have been fools not to but they'd have been fools of that was plan A and ended there. I think this team is better today than it was when it ended the season. Grabs gerb the removal of Boyle alone is addition by subtraction. They lost yandle but I think they believe skeij will make up for some of his production. They will be well rested and hopefully girardi comes in fresh and finds his game if they do they will be better. Unlike prior years the pk cost them games last year where as in prior years it won them games and took momentum away from their opponents. The additions should remedy that.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 7:29 pm EST

I forgot to say this to all the American Wallsters....a Safe and Happy Fourth! Down with the Brits!!! :)

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:30 pm EST

I said they were scoring OKAY, not great, and I said at one point the defense was scoring more than the forwards. No I dont want to offer some proof. It is MY opinion. I dont have a story. JAYZUS.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:28 pm EST

Stevie I agree. As many here, yourself included have pointed out, we dont have a number 1 center. We are really a one line team, and playing with a handicap (no 1st line centre). We need to get back to defense first, we need to let the offense score Im not looking for high scoring, just opponent +1. I really dont think the Rangers decided what to do. I think they were hoping they could reload with Stamkos. I dont think - becuase it wouldve taken Nash and Stepan, just Stamkos is going to do the trick even if we had gotten him. Besides, the money was on Detroit. This team is just not good. Look at how many times we watched them play, and even if they won thanked the hockey gods, because in the latter half of the year they were outplayed a lot.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:27 pm EST

Wiosa okay people need to get their stories straight so which was it was the team playing so bad at the start of the season and hank stood on his head and won games or were they scoring and he wasn't standing on his head and they fell apart mid season? You're making statements abiut the D outscoring the forward would you care to provide some proof to that statement so it is fact a D not just some opinion used to bolster your position.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:27 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/best-remaining-free-agents-after-first-day-of-free-agency/c-281106276

stevielegs


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:21 pm EST

Wiosa I'm not sure the brain rust has even communicated what they want to retool. I think it's more the system and their opponents figuring out how to stop them. Retool should be readjusting the system or they will continue to do the cha cha ... 2 wins forward 2 losses back... But I doubt they recognize that's part of it ... I think the players do ....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:19 pm EST

I don't think there is any doubt that the team defense and the PK is what left them struggling last season. Team D was their strength, and they abandoned it. Henrik bailed them out early by playing otherworldly, then it all came crashing down. That is how they were built and they turned their back on it.

Bob


Mon Jul 4 2016 6:05 pm EST

YORK18, Im going to restate my opinion. The team scored okay in the beginning of the season. Then, as everyone else started getting the rust off, we came to a halt. The team AGAIN struggled to score. The Defense pitched in. In fact at one point, the defense scored more than the forwards did. What was wrong with that? Nothing STAT wise. We look lovely on paper. We would win one, lose one, win one. lose two. and so on and so on. Our Defense, which was now tasked with scoring, became overrun. Griardi, not having a great year to begin with, and has Wild mentioned, was struggling to get out of a slump, was covering odd man rushes and back there alone for a LOT of plays with McDonagh, pinching. From mid season on, we were less than mediocre, not a good team at all, and yes, our Defense sucked, because our Forwards did. Made a slight recovery...but not enough. For two years now we have needed scoring from our Forwards. I would like to see preferrably a center, but a FORWARD who scores. Just as always, MHO. Stats dont care who scored the goal, they just say Goal.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 5:50 pm EST

York and that's why the nyr d has struggled depending on the goalies to save their bacon. If the play zone d with speed and some shot blocking they will be playing like the pigpens just did.

stevielegs


Mon Jul 4 2016 5:20 pm EST

Stevie av plays man toam not torts torts plays a modified zone system

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 5:19 pm EST

Jfc actually you brought up the lack of scoring from the cup team in contrast to being seventh in scoring. As for needing another forward. I would say this team needs a legit number one center and I don't see anyone trading those away. As for them finishing seventh in scoring you could argue another forward is not needed do they need to be first in scoring overall to win? I would say the bigger issue is the defense right now, the one time backbone of this team broke it's back last season. You don't care what the stats say scoring was a problem? This isn't plus/minus this is goals. The stats actually state you're wrong you're basixky saying I don't care what anyone says the sky is yellow. Scoring is a problem for anyone in the playoffs and you're ignoring the simple fact that a horrible pk coat this team games they could have won had it been better...........wiosa everyone is passing no one is scoring? How did they end up 7th in the league in scoring if that were true? These things are spit out like mantras here so much that facts are ignored in place if you're opinion smh

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 4:24 pm EST

E what the pigpens did was take the tort shot blocking with the weeknow speed, and zone d instead of man to man....maybe coach chewing gum was watching and learning instead of thinking it's the players....

stevielegs


Mon Jul 4 2016 3:04 pm EST

This last week I have basically been subsisting on baseless rumors from questionable sources, so I want to comment on some of the rumors I've been reading. NASH - From what I've seen recently a lot of the Nash trade rumors have him ultimately going to Buffalo. The last few rumors I read were: 1. Nash for Evander Kane and Cody Franson, 2. Nash for Tyler Ennis and Cody Franson. If this is the type of return we can expect for Nash, I'd rather hold on to him. If we do hold onto Nash, I'd be willing to attempt a flip of Stepan (thanks Rhet0ric for the clarification on when his NMC kicks in) to Colorado for Duchene--not as complete as Stepan, but has a higher offensive upside. There were also some rumors of Staal to Minnesota. If these are true, I'd imagine we'd have to retain some salary and would probably be getting a pick or two. I wouldn't mind going into next season with: Kreider-Duchene-Nash, Buchnevich-Brassard-Zuccarello, Miller-Hayes-Grabner, Gerbe-Lindberg (when he comes back)-Fast, McDonagh-Klein, Skjei-Girardi, Holden-McIlrath.

evets1980


Mon Jul 4 2016 3:04 pm EST

York -- try addressing the premise of the post instead of looking for points to pick apart, which you also got wrong. Where in my post did I say that the Rangers finished 7th when we played in the Finals? Nowhere. The premise of the post was this: saying that the Rangers finished 7th in scoring does not prove they don't need a forward. Is that correct or incorrect? Yes, balance scoring is very important....no argument there. Yes, the Rangers' PK sucked and that was a factor in them losing to Pitt. But, overall the team was flawed in MANY areas, including scoring....I don't care what the stats say. Scoring WAS a problem this season, it was a problem LAST season too....especially in the PO's. Again, the point is that the forward position is one that needs to be addressed regardless of where we finished in the scoring stats as a team.....and I tend to,agree with you that a forward of the "center" persuasion is a top priority. We could also use forwards that a harder to,play against from a physical POV....but, a sniper wouldn't hurtbeither, especially on the PP

JFC31


Mon Jul 4 2016 3:02 pm EST

E, hear, hear on Yandle. I appreciated him, and I think we're going to miss him. HOSPO/E, I dont see this team as a very good team either. We also have a Face Off problem. Im not crazy about building through free agency either, but our minor league is really not bursting with talent waiting for the chance to make it. I dont see a top six forward (center preferrably), I like Skjei but despite the stat of us being 7th in scoring, Im looking for offense. Yes it would be great to get rid of the two contracts that are an albatross, but then what? We have room to acquire a better player, but no bargaining chips. We really have a team full of role players. I appreciate role players a LOT. That said, everyone is passing - nobody's scoring. Trying to be optimistic here,,but it's rough.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 2:28 pm EST

The Rangers forward depth will be adequate when Jesper Fast ends up on the 4th line. As long as he has to play further up in the lineup, they are going nowhere. Nothing against the guy except his total and complete ineptitude on the offensive side of the red line. AV wants to use him in the top 6. The Rangers are going nowhere if he does.

Bob


Mon Jul 4 2016 2:15 pm EST

Hospo: I think big picture they are mid pack right now. What does that mean? Hard to say. I don't think they are a championship caliber team though. Too many holes. But I also appreciate that they've stayed away from some of the mistakes teams made this UFA period. It remains to be seen how well Gorton does getting this team back to championship caliber hockey. I'm with you, the depth down the middle sucks. Defense has bitched about ad nausea. But, I don't see them in an impossible hole. I think the leagues expansion is coming at a bad time for the NYR as they still have toxic contracts that they will have to protect and expose quality assets. So, let's be real. They addressed somewhat the PK which was putrid maybe. Other then that? There is a lot of competition for roster spots. Cheapest way to solve depth issues is to bring along your own players. Buch, Skjei, Graves (hopefully Vesey) to join Quickie (who I love in the bottom-6) Lindberg when he returns. A lot of options coming. A lot of holes to fill. I really never thought the UFA route was the best way to solve this teams woes to begin with. I just am surprised at how they seem to be stuck in a burned out 2nd gear with a slipping clutch in terms of being able to make moves. I can't pin whether that's on Gorto or the market in general. But it is on him to make this team competitive. And I think we can all agree that we'd like to get out from under Staal or G's toxic contracts.

E


Mon Jul 4 2016 1:57 pm EST

E Was that a "very good" team after the trading deadline? No, not even close....Actually,it was pretty much a bottom half, non PO team beasue of the players and the coaches..Little has changed so far...Staal gone..amd Hayes 3rd line C...There isn't q chance in the world--again--if we line up -Brass-Step-Hayes-Grabner (haha!) down the midde....It's seems like we are doing ghe worst hing imaginable.....not going for it (we really can't) nor rebuilding....instead striving for mediocrity...So far, they are doing a good job....I am fully aware there may be penty of mves to come...Lord , there better be...

Hospo


Mon Jul 4 2016 1:49 pm EST

Leo: I personally think that the NYR were the victim of success. The game didn't evolve around them. PIT is all the rage right now as if they found some magic formula. They didn't invent a new form of scheme. They were just pretty damn good. A few thoughts. First, the end isn't near. There is a temptation to think the sky is falling. It isn't. They are a great team. Maybe downgraded to very good team. But the end is not near. I do think as constructed they will not win the cup. That ship has sailed. But I think by and large they are the victim of success. No team played more playoff games in recent years then the NYR have. And I think some of the old guard just couldn't carry the team any longer when they needed them to. it'll be interesting to see if Gorto can wave his magic fishsticks and get out from some of these contracts that are hamstringing the NYR.

E


Mon Jul 4 2016 12:39 pm EST

E: maybe so, but something changed for us this year. I'd venture it happened to us for a goal against more often this past year than in the previous four, be it luck, game evolution, etc. My money is still on Collective Fatigue (physical mental both) for the bulk of the team that has played tons of games the past half decade, the wear and tear of an extra season's worth of playoff games, with no Cup, to boot...I guess if you're gonna commit to the leave the slot/back door undefended defensive style then it meshes well w/the evolution of the Huge Goaltender, since he's gonna be all by himself a lot. Those sumo wrestler goalie jokes will prove to be prophetic.

LeoS


Mon Jul 4 2016 12:23 pm EST

E with the new rules coming in maybe crease clearing will be more important because going down to block shooting lanes is not allowed any more one blade on the ice at all times to block a shot. The worth of a crease clearer just may have grown.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 12:21 pm EST

WIOSA shake your head all you want a Forward means 2/3 of those could be a winger and again I dare you to find me a team who won the cup in the last decade without a legit number one center. Still haven't done it yet so I'm asking again. You want a PF without giving anything up, I want to hit powerball I think I have a better chance then what you want done and how.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 11:32 am EST

Leo: leaving forwards in front of a net is a pressing issue for most teams and fans routinely complain about it but what I've noticed more and more is that the premium on the crease clear has become less important then getting into the shooting lane. So there are times when a McD will be protecting the crease and trying to push a guy like Gallagher out of the way. Now we know the size and strength factor are obscene, but McD will give him a push, abandon him, and instead extend our on the shooter forcing a pass. I think some of it has to do with the points. Defenseman don't want to get caught standing sideways during a cross ice to their opposite side. But the role has changed somewhat. I also do think the way the refs have begun to call cross checking and therapy if you get a stick across their back they'll act as if they were shot and killed also has something to do with it. And finally, vision blocking like is done today is more and more an issue of doubled up or stacked screens. I see more and more the defenseman releasing the guy in front of the crease and getting himself in between the double screen. He isn't looking to clear a player who is 7' out but looking to be in the lane so when the outside screen redirect he can funnel the shots to the outside. Screens have evolved in the NHL as shot suppression has gone up. We used to admire the guy who sells out and takes the shot to the body to keep it from going thru. Now? Everyone sells out or they don't play. Chalk it to trending. Who knows if it will stay that way? But from my perspective teams are less concerned with the crease and second effort digging and more concerned with the shot never getting thru in the first place. It's just zone based defense as opposed to man-man.

E


Mon Jul 4 2016 11:19 am EST

The idea that an offensive defenseman takes chances like Yandle did? Oh the horror. What matters most to me is this: when he was in the ice, the NYR had the puck. Possession is everything. So, we may wanna nitpick all we want about players. And we sure do when it comes to G because when he is on the ice the NYR do not ever have the puck. But, Yandle was upright, in control of the puck. And that means a lot to me. We may want to look at all the negatives, but it's still a possession game and if you want to possess the puck and you are on the NYR, he was a great option. It's not a be all-end all but it matters. Big time.

E


Mon Jul 4 2016 11:01 am EST

LeoS...LOL, I know! Which of course resulted in over 40 times letting in a goal with less than 2 minutes left on the clock.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:39 am EST

To my eyes, after our PK, our most glaring flaw was how many times we left an opposing forward all alone in front of our net 5 v 5. Happened so often I wanted to make it the Free Space on my Rangers Bingo card.

LeoS


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:37 am EST

You cant put a legimate number 1 center on a team with no supportnig cast. Look at what happened with that jerk in Pittsburgh. If he is the ONLY line threatening to score, well guess what? He isnt going to be scoring. Ill take a Power forward, preferrably a centre, but I want a power forward and I dont want to pay with all the rest of our talented forwards. We need to build at least two legitimate threats. At least ONE power forward who will go to the net.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:35 am EST

A legitimate number 1 center, is a forward. SMH here.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:32 am EST

WIOSA I know what a forward is and they don't need another forward they need a legit number one center. Like has been said so many times before find me a team in the last decade who won a cup without a legit number one center. Wingers don't win cups, look at the list I put up and I can put up more sniping wings who didn't win, there is one right on this team Nash.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:29 am EST

Yorkie Forward = RW, C, LW.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:26 am EST

Evets... Next July 1st (2017).

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:09 am EST

Hospo... I'm pretty sure the time to trade Derek Stepan has come and gone. Didn't his No Move Clause kick in on July 1??

evets1980


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:08 am EST

JFC how many teams win with a player like that outside of generational talent like TGO and Mario? The caps have that guy and lose, matter of fact most teams that have that supposed sniper lose, Buff, Mog, Bure, the Nucks, panthers, Hull the blues. It wasn't until two of those guys changed their games did they win cups. You need balanced scoring to win, the pens won with balanced scoring, as did the hawks and the kings. You're also wrong in what you said to Wild, when the Rangers were in the cup finals they weren't 7th in scoring they were closer to 20th at that time completely different. What cost the Rangers games this season was special teams, giving up that extra goal on the PK. You say watch the games I think you should do the same thing because they lost to the Pens, last I checked EVERYONE lost to the pens, the Pens got hot at the right time and again where did the Rangers get killed the pens PP killed the Rangers. Go back and watch.................WIOSA they need a legit number one center not a forward that's what they need big difference.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 10:07 am EST

Nash 2 swasons ago. Might not have done it during the playoff but (42? goals) during the regular season is nothing to sneeze at. How about Jagr with 54.

KIS


Mon Jul 4 2016 9:57 am EST

When was the last time the Rangers had a scorer who, when the puck was on his stick, the puck went in the net? A SNIPER?? A sure thing that if he had the pick in good scoring position he was going to,score on a consistent basis??

JFC31


Mon Jul 4 2016 9:55 am EST

Wild -- your assertion that because thenRangers finished 7th in scoring proves that getting a forward is not a priority is simplistic nonsense. How many TIMELY goals have the Rangers managed to,score starting with the Cup finals vs. LA? Do you deny that SCORING wasn't a problem in the PLAYOFFS.....because the PLAYOFFS are the only thing that means Jack Shit. They put too much pressure on Lundqvist to always be superb because they don't score enough goals....I don't give a shit what place they finished last year.,They got knocked out in the 1st round THIS YEAR.....and they couldn't score in the playoffs LAST YEAR and they had PRIME opportunities to put game sawway in OT vs. LA and they could not score. Watch the games instead of looking at a stat sheet.

JFC31


Mon Jul 4 2016 9:28 am EST

Hayes needs to be more engaged. Oh wow....incredible news! How about giving him the McI treatment when he doesn't engage?

RF4L


Mon Jul 4 2016 9:26 am EST

Oh yeah, the Rangers were a top 10 scoring team last year therefore, this year, they'll have no problems scoring so a cup is on the horizon. Mmmm...seems to me while the Rangers did score reasonably well, they sucked more often than not defensively. But let's ignore that fact and cross our fingers and hope this year they return to being far more defensively aware and still score enough to win a cup. Hell, it worked for the other 3 years they went deep in the POs. Didn't it??? Geeesh....

RF4L


Mon Jul 4 2016 8:41 am EST

Wild yep. A TOP 6 FORWARD. Scoring. The argument I put forth for this was the D was pinching, and joining the rush, leaving themselves exposed, in an effort to score. And they did, in fact I believe the last 30 goals the Rangers scored were scored either by a Defenseman or as an assist. Problem is, they werent defending. So yes I want a forward..we needed that when MSL and Haggy left. We now lost an offensive dman, so yes, I want a forward.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 8:15 am EST

YANDLE was on borrowed time the minute he got to New York. I imagine someone in the braintrust toyed with the idea of getting him into the right position to succeed...but ultimately, it would have meant moving McDONAGH and the Rangers are a FAR weaker team if that's the case...Yandle's issue is that on a good day, he's an average defender. On a good day...on bad days, he's a liability...I keep hearing this business about how he 'stepped up' when McD went down...and he did...but again...the team wasn't any better with him in that spot...theoretically speaking, we could have moved STAAL...and we still might...but again...our D with Yandle in and Staal out is weaker...now if out PP went from 20th to fifth or sixth, I could see justifying that swap...but our PP only marginally improved...And this was with Yandle firing on all cylinders..hipcheck is 100 percent right...bad trade..but ultimately, this team is better without Yandle and with someone over there who is defensively reliable.

tdchi


Mon Jul 4 2016 8:01 am EST

WIOSA: This rangers team last season was the 7th highest scoring team in the NHL. A top 10 scoring team and thats what you want the Rangers to spend assets on...scoring. It was team D that was the issue last season and the PK. NOT SCORING.

Wildcard


Mon Jul 4 2016 7:46 am EST

This just in.... Report: The Rangers have not been shopping Kevin Hayes around..... Larry Brooks reported that the Rangers have not been shopping Kevin Hayes around the league after his "almost impossibly disappointing sophomore season." (NY Post) Brooks notes that Hayes is a "close friend" of Harvard forward and pending UFA Jimmy Vesey and that could help his chances of staying around. (NY Post) Alain Vigneault said after the season that Hayes is part of the Rangers future but needs to step up. It's been said that Hayes is someone who needs to engage more on a consistent basis.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 4 2016 7:37 am EST

Yorkie, for the second offseason in a row - I wanted him to get a scorer. He replaced what they gave up last year. Now we lost someone on the PP, who FINALLY got it together on the PP. I didnt want Lucic for 7 years, or Martin because he wouldnt have been allowed to be Martin. We need a top 6 forward.

WIOSA


Mon Jul 4 2016 5:32 am EST

Hmmmm, let's see... Yandle, doesn't hit, doesn't block shots, doesn't clear the crease, gives the puck away constantly, caught out of position constantly, slight of build, average skater, no concept of when to shoot vs pass, not an imposing PP Quarterback, not a winner at NHL level, etc., etc., etc. ... Guy sucks, and is wayyyyyy overrated. Defend him all you want, you can have him. (Also chews his mouthpiece all game long like a slow adult, and then tries to be the last guy off the ice to show some kind of team-first leadership???). Can't stand the player, I was crushed when Duclair was included I'm the package for him. To me he will always symbolize a gross miscalculation in asset management.

hipcheck


Mon Jul 4 2016 5:02 am EST

I'm not sure what people expect, I am not thrilled with Gorton as the GM and didnt really want him but he's what we have. His strengths were supposed to be managing the cap and finding talent in the draft. He has done well with the latter when he has picks, the former he has failed miserably IMO. With all that said, you can't make deals for the sake of just looking busy. You don't sign guys to just sign guys, sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make. Posters have said the team hasn't done much, I actually beg to differ greatly. This team had 10 points last year and one of the reasons they didn't have more was the PK cost them goals and games it didn't cost them in previous years. They went out and got two of the better PKers in the whole league. Grabs is as big a threat on the PK as Hags was and just as good on the PK that presence was lost when hags was traded and felt the whole year. That has now been fixed, add Gerbe who has the best on ice PK numbers in the entire league for not being scored on while on the ice and your PK has taken a huge step towards being improved. A telling stat of how bad things got the Rangers went from a top 5-10 PK team in the league to 26th!?!??!?!?! They were one of the worst in the entire league at the PK something that was once one of their best things, teams feared the Rangers PK, not last year. The Rangers lost games due to their PK and these two guys should fix that putting this team back towards the top 10 which means a more dangerous team to play against. That is a huge improvement, this team scored a good number of goals last year and were actually one of the better scoring teams in the league which means they lost games at special teams (PK)Gorton addressed a real weakness and no one wants to give him credit here.

York18


Mon Jul 4 2016 1:17 am EST

Well you might be able to get Marc to waive to go to MN to play with big bro. Only 6 hours from Thunder Bay. That gives you the makings of a blockbuster. Dumba and Coyle? Maybe even bigger. Still, Coyle would not replace Stepan.

Bob


Mon Jul 4 2016 12:34 am EST

Hey BOB - i had been talking about possibly trading with MINN for awhile.....Remember they have CHARLIE COYLE, a very good and big 3rrd line C I wouldd love to have in addition to a D-man from them...But WIth STAAL signed, and I agree with you about him, not sure they need or want a center like STEP..Of course, we still have to find a 2nd C unless the Rangers are foolish enough to go with HAYES

Hospo


Mon Jul 4 2016 12:21 am EST

While the Rangers do very liittle, I have to drop a comment on Minnesota. If they truly are content with Mikko Koivu, Eric Staal and Erik Haula at the center position, they are not a playoff team. Eric Staal is done. He may think he can be a productive number 1 center again, but he has to be the only one. It is difficult to believe that the Wild management does not realize that they have a donut hole at the center position. They cannot score and adding Staal will not fix that problem. I am still convinced that they are a prime suitor for Derek Stepan, and the Rangers would not have a problem getting him to agree to go to Minnesota. The Wild are flush with defensemen. Problem in NY is what happens to the center position of they deal Stepan and do not bring back another center. Perhaps they could get a center in a deal with Colorado. I dpn't see any centers available from Buffalo.

Bob


Sun Jul 3 2016 8:46 pm EST

WILD... It further supports my theory that he puts names in one shredder and teams in another and whatever is leftover, he just goes with it.... Columbus is looking to move Hartnall but of course he would have to waive his NMC.... per James Mirtle of The Globe and Mail, The Columbus Blue Jackets look like they'll be busy after telling teams that they are willing to retain salaries so that they can "dump" players,... That includes 15-year veteran Scott Hartnell, who recorded 23 goals and 49 points in his second season with the Blue Jackets and is as good an agitator as he is a scorer:

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 3 2016 8:32 pm EST

Just in case anyone ever thought to believe Eklund.....he is reporting that Columbus is interested in Hartnell....yes...he says Columbus has been interested for a while...........................columbus...........lets just let that sink in...........is your brain hurting yet?

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 6:32 pm EST

Rhet you made no sense you answered your own question actually what has Stevie Y done? Put together a team that Stamkos looked at and said with me on this team we have the best chance to win the cup in this league. So he did his job, he also signed Stamkos for less he could have gotten 10 mil easy from another team, he took 2 mil less to stay because the team is built properly. Has picks, you wanna see what else he did, sent a kid home instead of trading him and then got him to come back and be a major force on the team which will be even better with a healthy Stamkos as well.

York18


Sun Jul 3 2016 4:36 pm EST

KIS/WiLD, interestng, maybe my friend has a point. Everyone I know keeps whining abour our D, I kept saying I think it's our O, that's lacking and the D, especially the Captain, is trying to compensate. If we're right, oh boy, we really need another scorer. BADLY.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 4:33 pm EST

Wild, Agreed a slump is really a hard thing to kick - but I felt Girardi was really nose diving. Have to look at some games, mid season, just to see if my fried is right. Only problem I have is I hate watching games I know the outcome of, especially if we lost :(

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 4:16 pm EST

KIS: The Rangers make no effort to hide that they will push guys to try to do more and see what their limits are. IF they did that with McD than I am sure this season they will have his reigns pulled back in a bit. If so we will see a better overall McD.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 4:07 pm EST

WIOSA I mentioned that often last year. I felt MCD was trying to do or was asked to do too much. He can be an excellent defenseman that can make the occasional move up ice but he shouldn't be asked to do it so often. I also think we will see better play out of all the players this year especially 5. I think with the normal rest they will not be as injured and banged up.

KIS


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:51 pm EST

I should clarify my thoughts on Yandle. I do not dislike him. I just want to point out that he is not some kind of player you risk blowing up the team to keep. He has flaws and you can "replace" him with a slightly different player who can be more helpful overall, even if less offensive. If the cap was there and he was resigned I wouldn't be upset by it....but I am not overly upset that he is gone as a player ( not that I am OK with his cost)

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:49 pm EST

Stevie I agree. Hes a puck moving dman, got burned a lot on turnovers, but even that he was getting under control. I think we're going to regret lett losing him.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:49 pm EST

WIOSA: I think Giradi having mental errors came from trying hard to make up for the physical deficiencies caused by his injury. I think (and hope) that if he is not feeling the effects of an injury he will not think, and just play, and therefore not have so many mental errors. I also think for most players, once they start having issues mentally, it is very hard to turn it around. Its hard to just let go and not think about it all, and to not worry about am mistake. Thats why sometimes a player looks so good after an injury, or after a trade. Its a resetting process.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:46 pm EST

Yandle getting hit with the handle going out the door . Fishboy probably would have resigned him if he had cap space to do so.

stevielegs


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:39 pm EST

Interesting POV, a friend and I were discussing the diminished skills of Dan Girardi. He's a player that bleeds Ranger blue, and IMO saw his production/skill level take a nose dive this last season. I know he was coming back from a knee cap injury, but still, it was like he was lost out there, he made so many mental errors. I had also mentioned that our lack of offense prompted the D to chip in and produce which affected their ability to defend quite a bit. ONe of the things we both noticed was McDonagh's pinching, which is not top notch. Could it be possible, as Captain, he feels he needs to pinch more often to provide the scoring our forwards are not delivering - or at least provide and assist with it, thereby leaving his partner, which for most of the season was Girardi to get burned when the puck is invariably turned over? It's a thought.. I know they were split up at the end of the season, but then Ryan was hurt as well, hard to say.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:32 pm EST

WIOSA: He was used more in the last 10-15 games. That does not lead to an 82 game average being the highest on the team unless it was right around that before that group of games. You would be talking extra minutes the last part of the season to add seconds to the average. He was heavily used on the PP and 5 on 5 all season long. Its a myth that he was not. Very early he was used a little less, but he was still adjusting. After that he was used more than anyone on the PP.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:28 pm EST

Wild Correction, you did not say *I* was guessing, you said you were guessing I meant Yandle, which is correct.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:20 pm EST

Wild, no, Im not guessing. Youre looking at a stat, which is accurate, but shows time including the end of the season, when others were out and he was relied upon more heavily. THAT is when he showed his true worth. When he first got here he was played maybe a game or two (and Im not joking) on the first PP unit, didnt turn it around so he was relegated to the second and third PP unit. Ditto with his defensive pairing. When players were injured, he took their time. The stat youre looking at shows a season, not a picture.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:14 pm EST

Easier said than done of course, but go to a team like Arizona and see what it takes for Michael Stone, they have a ton of young D...maybe they would like another vet. I Know, like I said, easier said that done.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:09 pm EST

Rhet: Yes McD is in that category. But a PP QB doesn't have to be a D, and doesn't have to be so bad defensively. Hell a PP QB doesn't always look like a offensive guy in the traditional sense....just smart with a good point shot that can be unloaded when needed. Heck if they can get Brass shooting ala Ovechkin (IM not saying he is the same level or anything) than the QB doesn't even need to shoot often.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 3:06 pm EST

Wild....Isn't that what we already have in McDonagh? Being away from Girardi for a full season should do him wonders. We also still need a PPQB.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:58 pm EST

Rhet: Those are guy who score as much but also defend. I am saying because they are so rare its better to get a guy who score a bit less but defends better. THAT is more doable.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:56 pm EST

ILYA.... In a perfect world, I would be happy to move both Staal and Girardi for picks/prospects and let the NYR rookies take over in the next couple of years. That's the money we really need to move out. There is no easy solution here. How do we get better/younger while trading both Nash and/or Stepan? I can see one or the other but not both. ....Wild... if those statistics are the bar you're settling for an offensive defenseman, then outside of a Weber or Subban, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:47 pm EST

Yzerman get's way too much credit for not doing much. He offered Stamkos the max he could ($8.5 Mil in FLA is the equivalent of $10.5 Mil anywhere else). He thought Stamkos was going to leave and even talked about the possibility of the Lightning doing a sign-and-trade with his future team so they wouldn't lose him for nothing. This was all on Stamkos. He saw what was on the other side and decided his best opportunity to win a cup was with his current team(and he's probably right)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:31 pm EST

But also with looking at his ice time, he had a major down side. LEAST number of hits per game played ( he had a half hit per game....0.5!) The least number of blocked shots per game played (not counting Summers who played 3 games) The most missed shots per game played (not always a bad state, means your shooting) and the most giveaways and just a 3.%1 shooting percentage. With the good came some significant bad. Thats why I say it would be better to have a a guy who may score a little less, but stop the other team more.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:25 pm EST

WIOSA: You I am guessing are speaking of Yandle about the "when given a chance" on the PP. Well...how much more chance do you need than leading the D on the PP for minute per game. Why is it that people say Yandle didn't get a chance? He literally had more time on the PP than any other Dman. He had all the chance in the world on the PP. Her also had the 4th most time on ice per game overall and 5 on 5. I have posted this plenty of times now. But even right after I post it someone will come out and say that those numbers don't really mean much because he wasn't really used all that much somehow. The idea that Yandle was not used, was played less on the PP than other D and played only on the 3rd pair all season, is one of many made up things about AV that has no factual evidence. Its a myth that has grown to an epic level.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:10 pm EST

Ilya, I know Im down on this team because despite the addition of two bottom 6ers, we are not good enough to compete, and most of our competition, direct competition just improved (save the Islanders). We really needed to add at least one good defenseman and a top 6 forward. We actually lost a two way dman who was pretty good on the PP (when given a chance). We did get a guy who should be able to take his place there (Grabner) so Im okay with that. Other than that, we really stood still - which you cant do in a race. Just as always, MHO

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:04 pm EST

fishboy at sears buying new set of craftsman tools ?

stevielegs


Sun Jul 3 2016 1:58 pm EST

YORKIE, I like Nash, didnt like the season he had last year, but I do like him. I dont like Kredier for many reasons I already went into. I cheer when he does well, I remain pretty silent when he doesnt. You will note I have to tell people many times that I dont like Kreder, so that is how often I remain silent. I dont "Gush" over Nash though. I did want Stamkos, but not if we had to deal Nash and Stepan to get him. This is what we always do. Destroy two lines to put together one better line. Then bemoan the lack of production of that line as all teams concentrate on shutting it down. Just as always, MHO. There is a lot of curiousity as to why Steven stayed for that money. His health mentioned a couple of times. Remains to be seen

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 1:21 pm EST

KIS WIOSA you wanna know why? Simple, he signed Stamkos for 8 mil that's why. The same money Nash makes, just a tad under what Lucic will make and Ladd. He has a stud team right now and kept arguably the best player who could have hit UFA in the last 20 years and did so at a discount. Who would you rather have Stammer or Nash? I'm sure wiosa will gush about Nash but hates on Kreider which is funny but the answer should be Stammer

York18


Sun Jul 3 2016 12:35 pm EST

I dunno why ppl are down on this team we got some pretty good set of forwards who are still young and get better it's the defense is the problem, Brassard still can get better can net 30-35 goals Stepan, Kreider, JT, Hayes, Linberg , Fast and now , Grabner can really skate and score some, defense however is an issue !!!!

ilya


Sun Jul 3 2016 12:32 pm EST

MF... I wasn't being serious. Too much money for Krejci. There could be some kind of fit with Boston though. They have 12 forwards, 5 defensemen and 2 goalies signed with $8,531,667 in cap space.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 3 2016 12:00 pm EST

So, is Boston seeking a lhs or a rhs? Krejci reported to have a wonky hip... Signed for 5 more @ $7. Something mill... Certainly helps if we can move one of our NMC contracts, but Krejci seems built in the Stepan / Brassard mold. Maybe Staal & Hayes for Krejci & something... We can throw in Esposito to sour the deal.....

mf


Sun Jul 3 2016 11:04 am EST

Trade Marc Staal for Kreici? ....Per Joe Haggerty of CSNNE: The Bruins are expected to dangle David Krejci or Ryan Spooner for a defenseman of the next few weeks.... A source said that Kris Russell turned down a four year, $17 million offer from the Maple Leafs. Russell may have been thinking he could yet a six year deal in the $30 million neighborhood. The Bruins should be cautious if they go after Russell as he’s marginally better than they already have.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 3 2016 10:46 am EST

KIS, I agree, I dont get the praise heaped on Yzerman this year. He managed to keep his own players and not move his goalie. Three teams need a goalie. So Im confused too.

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 10:22 am EST

Would Nash have Buffalo on his list? At first thought, no.....but it is pretty close to his hometown of Toronto. On second thought, if he doesn't want to go to a Canadian team, why would he care about being close to Toronto? So many questions....

JFC31


Sun Jul 3 2016 9:31 am EST

crazy how the ones will lockout saying they don't have enough money or they want more money, yet they keep handing out crazy contracts like okposo getting 6 mill a year or Lucic getting 6 mill a year for 7 years. crazy. Now I don't feel so bad about Nash getting 7.5. way better than those guys. watch Nash will be back to 30+ goals this year. As far as Tampa having a great free anne period, what did they do? they kept their own players and will lose Bishop. they are the Rangers of the past 4 years. they better win now or they will face the same cap issues. The rangers will be OK this year.

KIS


Sun Jul 3 2016 9:29 am EST

IMHO a player who 'acts like a superstar but has had only one good season' is really NOT what the Rangers need - up front, rear lines, or anywhere in the locker room. We already have a quasi legend in his own mind in Kevin Hayes. I do point out, they are similar in opinion of themselves individually ONLY on the ice and with regard to Hockey. Kane, cant seem to keep himself out of trouble/the doghouse. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/a-timeline-of-kanes-indiscretions-with-jets/ The latest is something involving two women in Buffalo - I remember the P Kane issue (another player who was in the dog house from time to time) which turned out to be nothing more than extortion, so Ill reserve judgement, innocent until proven guilty. Despite that, in fact erasee that, do we really want the player listed in that link? If we already have a leaderless lockeroom and two players who reportedly do not like each other, do we need that?

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 9:02 am EST

The Islanders most certainly lost out...They lost their second-line center, second-line wing and top checking forward....and replaced them with two aging vets...one of whom will only fill in at a bottom-line capacity and the other who will struggle to replace the production of OKPOSO...oddly enough, they're in a similar position as the Rangers were last season in that they absolutely need their young guns to step up and take on greater responsibility. Real question will be if guys like BARZAL and DAL COLLE can step up.

tdchi


Sun Jul 3 2016 8:56 am EST

Only way I'd take Evander KANE here is if the Sabres are also giving us RISTOLAINEN too...Kane is a problem. He's been a problem since he came into the league...a guy who acts like a superstar, but who has really only had one decent season...oddly enough though...and head issues aside...he's the type of player the Rangers could use up front.

tdchi


Sun Jul 3 2016 2:31 am EST

Of course it's PUCK DADDY, but hard to argue this one : [[LOSER: New York Rangers - Nathan Gerbe? Michael Grabner? Nice additions, but not really worth much when the radical changes the team needs haven’t happened yet. But sure, keep shopping Rick Nash ]] Oh and DREW, keep your chin up, the Isles werent fairing any better according to them [[LOSER:- Public Perception of the Islanders. The Islanders handed a 30-year-old Andrew Ladd a seven-year contract and a 37-year-old Jason Chimera a two-year deal, while watching Kyle Okposo, Matt Martin and Frans Nielsen leave the team. Happy first day of ownership, Jon Ledecky and Scott Malkin! ]]

WIOSA


Sun Jul 3 2016 12:26 am EST

mf: how I am reading the tumors is that BUF will eat a chunk of Kane's salary to get him moved. But Gorton isn't going to do that unless the pot is sweetened. Basically it seems he wants them to pay the Rangers for taking him off their hands. So in other words the Rangers would get LESS in return with Kane NOT in the deal and with Kane in the deal there is something else added for the trouble. Don't think BUF will do that, but who knows.

Wildcard


Sun Jul 3 2016 12:13 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/03/why-structure-of-these-3-contracts-points-to-another-nhl-lockout/

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 11:26 pm EST

Check this out, their web site is currently down......... www.dagenshockey.se | New York Rangers... www.dagens-hockey.se/rangers.html 1 hour ago - A page with links from newspapers and blogs.. about the New York Rangers - NHL. ... 2016-07-02 21:10 | Rangers unite Staal brothers - hockeyvilson.nu ....... """Is there a Marc Staal trade brewing?"""

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 11:12 pm EST

Yesterdays News: LA Kings have signed forward Teddy Purcell (one-year, $1.6 million deal.) """We should have signed him!""" http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6065

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:58 pm EST

WildCard: My math IQ isn't too bad, how did you read Gorton & half price from your 9:21 post? Is Buffalo also eating $2.625mill per year of Kane's contract? Because any lopsided trade in our favor is a testament to this jerks current toxicity.... jmo snatcherally

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:57 pm EST

Nash for Evander Kane? Evander Kane in NYC? Yeah, I don't think so.

Bob


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:53 pm EST

Kane is signed to make $5.25 mill this season & next.... Girgenson is an RFA who had a cap hit of 1.369 & salary of $833K last season...... The Hockey News says the following about Evander Kane, """Assets: Is an impressive skater and physical intimidator. Has goal-scoring instincts and ability, and he never backs down from confrontations. Is extremely confident in his overall game. """Flaws: Lacks the high-end vision needed to be a great playmaker at the NHL level, so he's best served going hard to the net regularly. IS A HIGH-MAINTENANCE PLAYER WHO LACKS MATURITY."""Career Potential: Talented but MERCURIAL.....................mer·cu·ri·al.... subject to sudden or unpredictable changes of mood or mind...... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7278

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:21 pm EST

Forgive me that I can't remember what Twitter feed I saw it on, but one said Buffalo was OFFERINGS Kane and the Rangers were demanding Girgensons be part of any deal. So it sounds at least on the surface that Gorton does not want Kane but perhaps would take him at half price along with another good asset or two.

Wildcard


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:47 pm EST

How reliable is Hockey Press? They seem to break things that never come true and have zero sources.

E


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:31 pm EST

He was a thug in Winnipeg too.... Cocky bastard couldn't adhere to the dress code....... Gorton, stay far away from this jerk... Please!

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:14 pm EST

Sure Evander Kane is a thug, but Patrick Kane is a great human being. What is it about that last name? Also, it's Buffalo. We all know how tough it is to avoid the night life there. I think he will find less temptation in Manhattan. You know, being a smaller market and all.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:02 pm EST

Evander Kane = Thug! ..... pass please

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 7:07 pm EST

Some quick hockey rumors just because everyone's bored. not the best sources but beggars can't be choosers.... Per The Hockey Press® ‏@TheHockeyPress..... - Rick Nash is in high demand now. The New York Rangers are receiving several calls on him. One team that called are the Anaheim Ducks. It's believed the discussed Cam Fowler AGAIN. One team everyone is sleeping on though are the Buffalo Sabres. They lost out on Steven Stamkos and have turned their attention to Nash/Shattenkirk. The cost to acquire Shattenkirk will be high so they are concentrated on Nash. One source went as far to say Buffalo will make a trade and sign a key player by Monday night. We can confirm the trade he was talking about was a Nash deal. As for a return to the New York Rangers, it sounds like Evander Kane [retained], and Cody Franson......

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 2 2016 6:52 pm EST

P-A Parenteau returns to Islanders on one-year contract ... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/p-a-parenteau-returns-to-islanders-on-one-year-contract/

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 6:50 pm EST

Leafs bring back Roman Polak on one-year deal.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/leafs-bring-back-roman-polak-on-one-year-deal/

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 5:14 pm EST

A reason why Montreal & Edmonton did not consumate a trade: "" Here’s a quote from a GM on a different team: “How much are you paying Connor McDavid in two years? If you’re budgeting for $10M-11M, that’s $19M-$20M for him and Subban. Can you do it under this tighter cap?” I would suspect that’s the reason."" ... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmonton-montreal-make-deal/

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 5:02 pm EST

Panthers sign Vincent Trocheck to six-year contract .... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/panthers-sign-vincent-trocheck-to-six-year-contract/

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 4:32 pm EST

Hospo what's wrong with you ? You sound like the anti wild ... Lol...hard to get in the sunlight with this team right now... Maybe weeknow and fishboy can prove differently... As in slim to none....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 3:52 pm EST

It seems oddly quiet so far today. Usually there are some lesser names snapped up in FA or a move or two to open up space or move a redundant player once a UFA is signed. I expected to wake up (I work overnight thus sleep during the day) and see a few things...DEMERS is the only thing I have seen in FA and zilch on the trade front. Just very odd IMHO

Wildcard


Sat Jul 2 2016 3:48 pm EST

Panthers ink Jason Demers to five-year contract ... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/report-panthers-ink-jason-demers-to-five-year-contract/

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 12:54 pm EST

HOSPO You would hope Gerbe goes to Hartford as opposed to a 15 goal scorer on this team which is very likely? Buch may not need that much adjusting the ice surface is smaller here but the systems are still the same which makes no sense in what you said. Lindberg had a serious hip injury that is keeping him out till Nov, you think maybe, just maybe that altered his game? You seem to want to be right so bad you would rather a player fail and be right then be wrong I could be reading this wrong.

York18


Sat Jul 2 2016 12:39 pm EST

Vesey's agent says that he isn't gonna negotiate with any team till his eligibility. He is well aware that he has interest around the league and he wants to be in the right situation. Sounds to me like he isn't as high on the Sabres as was thought. That doesn't mean that he won't be signing with them but I think the New York Rangers can get their foot in that door. He is a guy that fits nicely with the system in terms of skillset.

E


Sat Jul 2 2016 11:45 am EST

Anyone know whether Girardi or Staal agreed to waive their NMC? ..... I wouldn't care if they would only accept a trade in the vicinity so they don't uproot their families, ie: NJD, NYI, Philthy, Boston..... First & foremost is us, not the rivalry.... jmon.....

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 11:41 am EST

TD: Ditto, I dont see either of those two available.... SCHULTZ: I read that both Pitt & Schultz want negotiate him staying, the CAP is obviously their dilemma, looks like they're going to need to move 1 or 2 forwards to make $$ room for this kid. I think we'd pass on him, his pair partner may need to be an all-world stay at home defender... This is the kid that refused to play in Anaheim, who drafted him... Attitude?

mf


Sat Jul 2 2016 11:40 am EST

Listening to Michelle Sturino on XM and she was pointing out that there are some guys like Yakupov, Fluery etc... all of which have played their last games with their franchises and will be moved before next season. And so now that teams are getting their cap in order, re-signing their RFA etc... there will be a trade storm still to come. And FWIW NHL franchises shelled out $600-million in contracts yesterday. On what was pretty much an average talent pool.

E


Sat Jul 2 2016 11:18 am EST

TD. No way are Gaudreau and Galcheneyuk available. Suspect that Swede in Ottawa isn't either. That Russian in Dallas might be tho.

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:48 am EST

The takeaway from everything? The Rangers, as crazy as it sounds, are a better team now that they were at the end of the season. By losing BOYLE and YANDLE and gaining HOLDEN, they are stronger on defense. They still need a puck mover and frankly, I wouldn't be adverse to them signing Justin SCHULTZ...ideally, they could sign him, dump GIRARDI and have him as their third-pairing D..Regardless though, Holden, Skjei is a drastic improvement defensively over Boyle and Yandle...The PK with GRABNER and GERBE is light-years ahead of Dom MOORE and (insert third or fourth liner name)...I see more moves ahead...and perhaps another signing or two...I do think they'll try to move NASH and get a more consistent scoring threat there...and I think they'll make a move to get a guy in his mid-20s...young, already impacting in the NHL...The question is, who will that be? JVR would be a good target. Mention ZIBANEJAD...Would love to get Montreal's GALCHENYUK... one guy who is probably untouchable but who IS an RFA right now: Johnny GAUDREAU...pretty much a god in Flames country now, but I do wonder what it'd take...we keep hearing the name NICHUSKIN and he's another I'd like to add. I think we'll see some pretty significant moves in the coming weeks.

tdchi


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:32 am EST

Several things to remember. First and foremost is that Gorton did say at the end of the season that he intended to change the team via trades and not free agency...and while some of us figured and/or hoped he'd do that at the draft --maybe even trade into the first round --the reality of the situation was that the STAMKOS situation gummed up the works...you had no less than six teams, including the Rangers, hoping that he would be available on July 1. And when he resigned two days before free agency, all those teams went into 'plan B' mode...Now the rubber is hitting the road. I think it'd be foolish to think the Rangers are going to go into the season with their roster as it stands now...though theoretically speaking, they could...but I didn't get the impression from anything I read/heard at the end of the season to suggest they will...my impression is that the disappointment we felt as fans was also felt by management...Now I look at the contracts signed yesterday and only a handful look decent...STAAL with the Wild...$3.5 million for a guy who could end up scoring 50-plus points? Excellent...VANEK and RADULOV too...nice cap-friendly contracts...but both come with baggage the Rangers don't need....COLBORNE was a cheap signing...Riley NASH was a good one too...wish we had taken him instead of GERBE...but truth be known, there was really very little on the market that would have helped the Rangers in games and with their cap...the only guy I think they could have used was Andrew LADD, because the guy is a leader...could have settled some issues I think they're having in the locker room...but at $7 million? No way...I keep saying it: Some of these contracts we'll be seeing in the buyout phase within two years...just awful spending on players that are mediocre. The thing I find funny is we always cringe when Sather spends like a drunken sailor...this year Gorton kept his fingers tight on the purse strings and fans are freaking out...I don't get it...

tdchi


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:27 am EST

Grabner when he was healthy was a good PK man who seemed to get more breakaways than almost any player in the league - certainly more than Hags- but like Carl, didn't finish many of them. I thought that was a great pickup for a bottom 6 guy, basically we get him for 2 years for tanner glass money. Gerbe is a smurf who can also kill penalties. Anyone who remembers the early 80s NYR remember the smurfs- Pavelich, McLanahan that upset a heavily favored Flyer squad when the NHL was a different league I think they may be holding onto Hayes to see if they can sign his buddy from Harvard in August - we shall see. I think the Rangers plan A was to deal Nash/Stepan for room to sign Stamkos, and now that it's dead, they would still like to deal Nash and get some cap space. Remains to be seen if anyone wants him after free agent smoke clears.

puckyou


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:22 am EST

I think the coach is tough on most kids . And gives vets too much leeway.

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:17 am EST

BTW, there's still reason to believe the Oilers are continuing to shop for defense and are prepared to move one (or both) of RNH/Eberle. My thinking in terms of Gorther's diddling is that he's working on at least 2 moves that are distinctly related.

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:15 am EST

Hospo/stevie: I thought AV was unjustly tough on Lindberg - not sure why, either, especially when compared to Hayes. I see upside for sure in him and I hope after he heals, he is given the chance to settle in as the 3rd line center.

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:02 am EST

Hospo I'll be shocked if the coach makes it past 2016.

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 10:00 am EST

STEVIE - Let's remember that as the season went along, LIndberger had his troubles and was nothing more than a 4th liner/Black Ace...Again, how much due the usage by AV is arguable but, again, same coach...I;m not counting on him either..

Hospo


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:53 am EST

Miller might get forced back to center, hopefully it doesn't hurt his game. Cheesy could take Moore's sot when he's back. But what they think Hayes is capable of is beyond me. They should trade him now for whatever they can get. He really belongs in Hartford until he wakes up, if ever.

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:48 am EST

Hospo: I'm with you on your reservations about Buch. Yes it would be wonderful if he ends up vying for rookie of the year and of course, that's not out of the question. But for reasons you cite, there's also the very real possibility he'll struggle and need time to adjust.

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:43 am EST

stevie: Agreed Gorther did well by doing nothing in terms of pursuing the big names. Those deals were crazy. The Lucic contract I get - along with defense, missing bigtime for years in Edmonton is a player of his ilk. I am assuming he'll ride shotgun alongside McDavid. That said, the term is ludicrous - he'll likely be worth the cost in years 1 to 3, but after that? Massive cap hit for a player who won't be delivering.

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:42 am EST

Now how much was due to the AV-team dynamic is open to discussion, but it doesn't matter because the stubborn fool is back..at least for a few months..

Hospo


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:41 am EST

RF4L - He's a fool if he is..One just have to look at all the games after the deadline last year...This was a bad team...consistently outplayed and outskated by the opponent..the top top 9---not the 4th ine (which was the best line)--was the culprit

Hospo


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:39 am EST

STEVIE - The problem is Hayes justdoesn't fit..at all...Can't play the wing..can't do the defesive or FO abilites of Center...Rangers got their work cut out in getting rid of him or making him an NHL player to count on...Either way, this team DESPERARTELY NEEDS a FO CENTER....I hav e mentioned MILLER back to center for a long time but have been shot down left and right here..DOn't know why..MILLER needs to BECOME the LEADER of this team up front..taking more repsonsibilites ..doing things for the team...Would help both him and the team IMWO

Hospo


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:39 am EST

Gotta assume Gorther continues to work on reshaping the core. I cannot believe he's content with returning the core as it exists currently - it just doesn't make sense and the fact that AV loudly pronounced changes are coming emphasizes that. I wonder how long it'll be before something happens...

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:34 am EST

York18 - True, I don't about BUCH...love the little i've seen of his offensive ability...but this is a Russian kid coming over to live in AMerica and lay in America for the first time...and there is a possibility that he is not ready physically (strong enough) defesnively or positionally for NHL play...I'm just being the opposite fan boy and saying people shouldn't be counting on him yet...You want to, go ahead....As for GERBE, the guys used to do what he said....I watched him last year, including twice life...and he brought absolutley nothing despite being used in many places in the lineup...Admitt that he killed a few peanlties...but I'd rather sign a player that can kill penalties and do other things...Gerbe stopped doing other things..Hope he goes to Hartford

Hospo


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:33 am EST

Stevie you can say Lindberg will be the third/fourth line center depending on if Hayes gets moved. Miller could fill the third line center role if Hayes is moved and until Lindberg comes back. Buch may slide into Millers spot if he moves to center. this team is not lacking centers.

York18


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:31 am EST

rf4l chicaboomboom probably sucks more...lucic contract is absurd....

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:19 am EST

so who is the 3rd and 4th line centers? ...i'd put Hayes on the 4th if he resigns, until he wakes up .

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 9:18 am EST

Hospo: IMO, Kreider's been around long enough now that he should be able to figure that all out. I was hoping last summer he'd figure it out for last season, but clearly he didn't. Is it maturity? If so, then maybe this season it'll happen. Or maybe what you see is what you get, which is really a top 6/bottom 6 tweener (on a good team). I gotta think if he's gonna move past the spot he's in, it's gotta be real soon, like this year...

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:51 am EST

But Gorther still sucks!!!

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:50 am EST

Good morning all. Nice to see that the sun came up today...

RF4L


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:31 am EST

WIOSA I disagree to an extent 20 goals is not decent in this league 20 goals is good a 30 goal scorer is above average aka Nash in the past. I agree MSLs on ice and leadership is sorely missed on this team and no this team is not better than it was against the bolts. I blame the two headed monster of Gorton Sather, and the body called AV.

York18


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:30 am EST

BREAKING: Christopher Higgins signs a 1 yr / $750,000 contract w/ the NYR.

Higgy21


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:18 am EST

http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/video/beukeboom-intro-press-conference

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 8:12 am EST

does buek get to pick which d men make the team out of the 10 on the roster right now ?.....what no diaz ? ....... http://rangers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 7:54 am EST

Rhett...Stalberg, when he plays a full compliment and is given teh role, has been in the 50% group on FO's. For us, I do agree we didnt use him in that capacity because we had Moore, but his past record showed a decent FOW number.....Grabner, maybe fast, I dunno havent seen him play, i was not bemoaing his pick up, rather listing what we had lost since the 2015 playoffs. If Grabner is fast, and quick..then good. I did some research on him when we signed him yesterday and posted I thought it wasnt a bad deal. As for Staal, ??? glad he found a spot, was not used properly here, also was a quick in and out, I hold no grudge on him saying what he did. Standard stuff when you arrive at a new team.

WIOSA


Sat Jul 2 2016 7:42 am EST

At this point I don't care if the nyr don't make anymore moves, but they better be a 60 minute hard working blacknblue team . If not fishboy has to step in .

stevielegs


Sat Jul 2 2016 7:26 am EST

I like the moves the NYR made yesterday. We helped the PK/bottom six and added some defensive depth for the Pack. We also avoided the oh so many bad deals that were being handed out. Also, screw Eric Staal.... WIOSA... Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Stalberg a faceoff guy? He took 6 faceoffs all last season. BTW, Grabner is a burner. He's not too far behind Hagelin in the speed department.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 2 2016 7:11 am EST

Yorkie, have to admit that I am very biased (I think I have admitted this before) when it comes to Kreider. When you dont want a player on your team, it is hard to see any good that he does. Yes 20 goals is decent, note I said decent - we needed him, JT (he did somewhat) and Hayes to really step up to the plate. What I mean by 1.5 behind the play is his mental quickness, not so much his speed. Getting there fast I do say he does, once he gets there he reminds me of myself leaving my computer going into the kitchen and standing there staring for a second, wondering why I came in here. For me? understandable and acceptible, for him? No. NC v NYC Cost of living in NC (I too have rented down there) and NYC, no comparison. Don Mattingly played his career with the NY Yankees, NEVER lived in NYC, lived in Matawan NJ. No reason a player has to live in NYC. HOWEVER, it is a silly discussion. The whole thing comes down to why we let Stalberg leave for 1.5. He's a f/o guy and a hustler. We had to offer 3% more to compensate for COL? Okay, the Rangers offer 1.538. It is a silly discussion. It is Wild assuming Viktor chose to leave because of COL. We offered the same, but the COL was better down there. As someone else pointed out - all Assumptions. FAST making up production of Haggy? Some of it yes...but we lost production from Hags and MSL. So you want to say Fast made up Hags production? Ok. We didnt make up MSL's. Point is, from our last game in MSG where we lost to the Bolts (chreeeist so tired of hearing that name lol) we have taken steps backwards. We are not as good as that team. Now we lost Yandle as well, and F/O guys. As much as I like Stepan he really sucks at F/O's when we desparately need them won. As always Yorkie...just MHO

WIOSA


Sat Jul 2 2016 5:43 am EST

WILD my god! If I was telling someone they had low IQ, or a lack of a brain I wouldn't make a post that looked like a 5 year old caveman posted it and not the smart geico caveman either, the dumb kind. If everyone is saying you post a certain way how can everyone be wrong. It would be like me coming on here and posting I'm super nice and tolerant, and never disagree, or get nasty. It would be a damn lie, I can be a real Ahole, the difference is I know it, and admit it, while you seem to be lost in some imaginary world where you aren't always pro Rangers. I have no idea what you do, or talk about with other people away from this board. I and the people here can only judge you by what you do here and that's what we are doing. For the....................................StevieY looks like a frigging God signs Stamkos for 8 mil while Lucic gets 6 mil LMAO.............I like Gerbe he can net 15 goals and is one hell of a PKer one of the best in the league at 600k thats a bargain. Grabner is another guy I like plays with an edge can net between 15-20 goals and can play up on the second line if need be. I don't mind either signing. I just don't see the team as that much better off than yesterday, but it's still early. The PK has gotten better already which was something of an issue after losing Hags and now that void looks to be filled......WIOSA I have to agree with WILD cost of living in the carolinas is way cheaper than NYC. You can work at Mcdonalds and live in a house in NC. Because I know people who have.......MF 15 goals is not much of a top 6 to replace.....................WILD Sather did not make the Staal deal two seconds a prospect that was Gorton, Sather also did not head the Yandle, or MSL deals again that was Gorton, Sather pissed a number of GMs playing hardball the last few trades and Gorton stepped in and traded away how many firsts and seconds and prospects? He's holding fast at this point but why do you think teams were offering pennies on the dollar to him? Because he has been taken three times prior and badly......>STEVIE Staal is a cliche machine, he's like Kane in that commercial where he spouts cliche after cliche, take what he says with a grain of salt, he reads his lines from a book..................WIOSA Fast replaced Hags production WILD is 100% right, maybe what you are trying to say is no one replaced his ROLE which is way different that production. His role was not replaced by Fast, his forechecking, and PKing ability were sorely missed and not replaced. I also disgree with you Kreider he scored 20 goals not an easy thing in the NHL so he can't be behind the play as often as you say, he needs to get more involved without the puck, hitting, forechecking, etc but he's not half as bad as you paint him, and he's a good two way player. I think you just want more from him and get frustrated because he has the tools to be a 30-40 goal crushing PF...................HOSPO have you seen Buch play one second of play? One minute against NHL players? You nor I have no idea where he will be better off right now, how about letting him go to camp play the preseason and then decide where he is better off. You wrote off a few guys the last two years as not ready and have been dead wrong, Gerbe is a great PKer fast and can net 15 goals in the league, I think you're being harsh the guy is an elite PKer one of the best in the league and gets under other players skin.

York18


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:59 pm EST

Gerbe is a guy that the opposing team rarely score a pp goal against when he is on the ice and is signed for 600K. Hardly a waste.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:07 pm EST

MF - GAUSTAD is a great FO guy and right now the Rangers probably have the worst FO centers in the entire NHL..but GAUSTAD is now purely a FO guy with little else (slow)..One dimensional and would be a waste..Just like GERBE and GRABNER

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:06 pm EST

Kreider has got to unload the slapshot, its a cannon.... jmon

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:04 pm EST

KREIDER - I'll say it again..The kid has all the speed, size, talent and drive to score over 30....what he needs is somebody mentoring or guiding him mentally thru his bad streaks and/or when he gets down on himsel....A strong vet would be great..but alas...what he has had to help is a hands off coach in AV,, Scottt Arniel and very little else...Hopefully he's matured enough by himself this year to take the next step...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:57 pm EST

WID - Al that even if BUCH physically, mentally, defensively and positionallylmight nowhere be near ready to play in the NHL? Love to see BUCH make it but I think it's likely the Rangers get very ittle from him this year...Time in Hartford will do him good..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:55 pm EST

Wild I brought up speed for a HOCKEY player..as in doing something with that speed. Recovering a puck dump, preventing and Icing..not just skating extremely fast to the other side of the rink to wonder why you went there. What Im bemoaning is the loss of usable speed. He is constantly 1.5 seconds behind the play. He doesnt actually have soft hands either, however THAT is a different subject. Kreider has speed, lacks utilization of it. Definitley lacks quickness.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:52 pm EST

Mf: I would be ok with him depending on cost. Only issue is his injury stuff. Guy can't seem to stay healthy.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:52 pm EST

Mf: I would be ok with him depending on cost. Only issue is his injury stuff. Guy can't seem to stay healthy.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:47 pm EST

Kreider will be what he has been 20-25 goal, 20-30 assist guy with all a world speed and a lot of size. That's fine from the 2nd line depending on the other players there. He may thrive opposite Buchnevich....that kid has wheels and great hands. Kreider driving he met could creat all types of room for him to work. Find the right Center and you could have quite the line. No way to know until they get on the ice, but in theory it works.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:45 pm EST

Paul Gaustad is still unsigned. Any interest as a 4th line center? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2616

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:42 pm EST

WIOSA: Fast tools Hags spot on the li ups and scored 30 points. The last season Hags was here he had 35. That is production replaced. You can't say it isn't. IfHags stayed, Fast would not have played likely, or at least not as much. that is what I posted before, Fast replaced the Production of Hags. And like I said, the speed was just signed. You asked about speed I brought up the two fast guys just signed and Kreider. Want to have a conversation about Kreiders pluses and minuses great. He has some downside to his game. But you brought up speed....he has that and gets D backing up and create space. He is a dependent player. He needs the right line mates to really work well. That's fine, not every player is the goto guy on a line, sometimes they are dependent.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:38 pm EST

List of Free Agents: Signed & Unsigned: UFA & RFA: http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/free_agents

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:34 pm EST

Wild at the risk of sounding flippant, I will put a disclaimer in here, I dont like Kreider. Not personally, heard he's a great guy, I dont like his game. What is his game? Fast? Yes he is, so Is Apolo Ono, he does nothing with that speed. He scored 20 last season, but not when we needed it most. He seems to always be 1.5 seconds behind the play. It's like he cant read plays, or see the ice. He's not my type of player. Kreider was here when Hags was here...we were not a fast team last season. As for what Hags scored last season, I really dont care, as he didnt score it for us. We lost production from him and MSL when they left, we never made it up. Most of MSL's was made up by Miller, who is starting to come to his own (please hockey gods) but we never made up Hags production. This year we are even worse. Remains to be seen what Grabar brings to the table. We lost a good f/o man in Moore...and Stalberg. There are real issues.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:28 pm EST

Stevie..I wouldnt read too much into Eric's comments, some standard stuff you feel obligated to say..

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:24 pm EST

It was a wild day, to say the least. As is customary in the era of the five-day negotiation window preceding it, free agency started with a deluge of signings as previously struck deals were made official. Per capfriendly.com, 131 players signed for $651,249,125 in total contract dollars. But plenty of impact players remain unsigned as Day 1 winds down. The 10 best still out there: 1. JIRI HUDLER, RW.. Age: 32.. 2015-16 cap hit: $4 million.. Career year in 2014-15, then tanked in contract year. Still a handy playmaking forward for someone’s top six. 2. RADIM VRBATA, RW.. Age: 35.. 2015-16 cap hit: $5 million.. One season removed from arguably being the Canucks’ best player. Will attract teams starved for secondary scorers. 3. KRIS RUSSELL, D.. Age: 29.. 2015-16 cap hit: $2.6 million.. A trap signing? Lauded for shot blocking but possession numbers suggest he was a below-average defender in 2015-16. Reports July 1 suggest he’s in for a payday north of $5 million per season. 4. SHANE DOAN, RW.. Age: 39.. 2015-16 cap hit: $5.3 million.. Turns 40 Oct. 10, but 28 goals were most since 2008-09. He’ll stay with Coyotes. Seems destined never to change teams, a la Chris Phillips in Ottawa. 5. JASON DEMERS, D.. Age: 28.. 2015-16 cap hit: $3.4 million.. Solid depth addition, but a team that pays him like a top-pairing guy might end up disappointed. 6. JIMMY VESEY, LW.. Age: 23.. 2015-16 cap hit: N/A.. Great offensive potential, but college signees who become stars are the exception, not the norm. He’s not risk-free. Reminder: he can’t officially land anywhere until Aug. 15. 7. BRANDON PIRRI, LW.. Age: 25.. 2015-16 cap hit: $925,000.. Continuously flashes goal-scoring potential and won’t cost too much. A nice sleeper. 8. ROMAN POLAK, D.. Age: 30 2015-16 cap hit: $2.75 million.. Raised profile and price tag on a deep playoff run with Sharks. Brings nice physicality to a bottom pair, but look under the hood and the possession numbers are ugly. 9. P-A PARENTEAU, RW.. Age: 33.. 2015-16 cap hit: $1.5 million.. A cheap 20-goal scorer. Could fill a gap on a mid-level contender or join a rebuilder on a short-term deal and get flipped by trade deadline. 10. KYLE QUINCEY, D.. Age: 33.. 2015-16 cap hit: $4.25 million.. Minutes and effectiveness have declined in recent seasons, but he’s still a decent enough depth guy. Will be 31 when season starts.

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:21 pm EST

Eric Staal on conference call: "I'm super excited...now I have this opportunity to play with a good a group, and one that expects to win."

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:20 pm EST

Moof you know that I know that you know so weeknow

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:14 pm EST

WIOSA: also where is the speed. They just signed Gerbe and Grabner and have Kreider on the roster. If anything they are faster than last season.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:12 pm EST

NYStranger: games a player plays vs games AV is behind the bench? No idea what the roster will be. Let's wait till camp for that one.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:11 pm EST

to go along with, "how many "fish" related comments divided by 1/3rd of the we-know vs we don't know comments......

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:10 pm EST

JFC. See I dont get that. If he other GM were having their way with him and he has been so active as the tumors say, a bad deal or two would have gone down. He is holding his ground against bad deals. He is t waist I g the Rangers assets. That was the biggest gripe about Sather. Overpaying. either via UFA contracts or trades. We FINALLY have a GM who ain't doing that and nothing g but complaining about him not getting stuff done.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:07 pm EST

WIOSA: who's replacing Haggs, his production? Well the last year Hags was in Rangers Blue he scored 35, Fast had 30 last season. So I would say that production wise Fast will cover that....and this last year Hags had just 32 points to Fast 30. We will see moving forward but again, production wise I think Fast covers Hags. On the PK I think they are hoping Gerbe and Grabner, well at least one of them brings that level up.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:46 pm EST

How many games Big Mac will play versus how many trade ideas Moof will propose this season ... Might have to go with minutes played to keep up....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:35 pm EST

Anyone here have an updated list of "unsigned" UFA's? ...... Houston ay? Maybe the city for the 32nd franchise?

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:31 pm EST

I understand the frustration with the lack of any major change with the Rangers' roster... however, I think it's pretty clear that Gorton is not done. I'm happy they stayed away from long term commitments at high dollar values today. I think they added some nice pieces and built added some organizational depth. In the next few weeks I think we are going to see some pretty big trades and when all is said and done, I believe Nash, Brassard (as I think Stepan's no move clause kicked in today), and one of Staal or Girardi will be gone. I'm not sure what they'd be bringing in, but right now the offseason score from Gorton and Co. is an INCOMPLETE.

evets1980


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:27 pm EST

mf -- darned if I know! Yeah, Gorton would have to make additional moves. Right now, I'm not convinced he's got the chops to compete with the other GM's. Seems like he's getting bitch slapped since he came on board as GM. Maybe his thing is drafting and not deal making. Be afraid....be very, very afraid!

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:20 pm EST

MF, that's a bit of a moot point doncha think? Who's [still] replacing MSL and Haggys numbers, who's replacing Yandle on the PP? Who is replacing Haggy and Boyle (meh) on the PK? Who is our face off guy? Where is our speed? I think it's time we said "houston?"

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:18 pm EST

NY Stranger, I dont have a problem with what he (Sather) was paying, it's the terms that are killing us.....As for Hank v Cam..no, I wouldve stuck with Hank. Dont forget last season we were still going for a cup. This year is a different scenario. We are probably just trying to keep butts in the seats.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:13 pm EST

JFC: who is replacing Nash's top 6 role for us?

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:03 pm EST

Higgy21 -- if the Rangers are interested in Shatner-Kirk and feel they could afford him, Nash could be a good fit for St. Louis. Victor Tarasenko is an amazing goal scorer but he hets keyed on by every team they play because there is no one else on that roster for the other team to worry about. Nash could play on his left side or play on another line to ease off the pressure on Tarasenko.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:01 pm EST

This is precisely what I was afraid of happening and posted last week...shuffling the proverbial deck chairs. Changing the bottom rung players sure will make the difference! Wahooo!

NYStranger


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:58 pm EST

How about how many games AV coaches for the Rangers vs. how many games McIlrath plays for the Rangers. Wild....??????

NYStranger


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:49 pm EST

I honestly still can't beleive we wasted money on Gerber, Grabner and some twt named Clendenning..Glad we took care of Hartford

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:39 pm EST

Higgy: I don't see them parting with Lehtera (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6469) after losing Backes..... He's also the youngest of their top 3 centers (28y/o) Steen 32 Stastny 30......

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:25 pm EST

I was hoping to get Lehtera for Nash with Stastney and Berglund as their 1&2 plus have Fabbri and Brodziak

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:13 pm EST

The Matt Martin signing reminds me of when PRUST signed a 3 or 4 year deal at I believe the same amount with Le Habs......... OAN: I like the MICHAEL PALIOTTA signing. Big RHS D'man counterbalances GRAVES on the LHS on the prospect chart... Maybe we get lucky & they move up the ranks within a year of one another..... MICHAEL PALIOTTA .....http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=38626

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:04 pm EST

VIC: :-), :->), ......... Glad you're having fun... For next years "RFC Clueless-Contest, SLegs posted earlier, "Will AV make it as coach for the entire season?" (seems like a contender) .... Beware of the "TRAD-ER-RATOR!" It will draw even VICationers in!

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:56 pm EST

Higgy21: Perron fills Brouwers spot on the wing & as for the center spot, Backes, they already have Jori Lehtera, Stastny & Steen... They couldn't pay Backes the $$ & terms others would. Maybe they need a 4th line center, IDKnow……... Now Nash: IMO if Nash is to be moved he has to be moved for offensive help or we have a gaping hole top 6…... I’ve been driving the Shattenkirk bus, we'd have to move Girardi "before" that trade because of "G's" NMC.. ….. Shattenkirk has 1 yr remaining & he'd have to agree to a new contract with us & “”WHO”” knows what he & his agent think he’s worth after the Yandle contract? (7 yrs @ $6.35mill per- NO THANK YOU!) Additionally, then we have an issue at season’s end because we can only protect 3 Dmen, Staal (NMC makes it mandatory) & McDonagh, and a 3rd Dman... (going off on a tangent, I guess we could trade Kevin Klein at the Draft or leave him and McIlrath unprotected or figure all that out once we see how each player performs this season.) After today’s activity, I don’t see us trading with St.Louis at this time… jmon

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:46 pm EST

NYStranger: yes let's go get players for less than they signed for with another team. And let's trade Hank to keep Talbot, because every good GM would do that. Hey why didn't we also get Stamkos for 5 mil per? I agree that the full NMC on the two D were bad ideas. I said as much when they signed. I thought it was OK to have a NMC for a few years, stability and all. But not full length of the deal. If it wasn't for the NMC both would have, or at least could have been gone to teams in need of D like the AVS or Oilers.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:37 pm EST

MF:. VICation is unreal so far! After scanning the wall I can see that I am so much happier then all of you who are following the Rangers "transformation" today (Bwahahaha!). OLA:. What are you babbling about? Because I think YANDLE is an overrated and overpaid bag of puss that means I don't like PMD or think it is a critical aspect of the game? Wrong again. No. It just means that I don't like YANDLE. As for the rest of today.... Keep shuffling those deck chairs GORTHER!!!!

Vic


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:32 pm EST

Kis I can envision a nasty lock-out when the CBA runs out. This system is seriously flawed. Yes, Nash's contract looks less bad by comparison to Lucic etc but would only look sort of good if the Cap went up to about $90 million. Can't believe NYR was not able to get Martin at similar terms. This was the one guy that the Rangers needed to help change it vanilla soft scoop style. He was probably too mean for the family oriented entertainment that is provided by or friends at MSG. The most smug area in the world.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:27 pm EST

Snapper-Legs: just reviewed; SlewBan’s cap hit is $9m per vs Adam Larssons $4.166m…… Not sure of the sentiment or rivalry of the 2 teams, but maybe they don’t like to trade with each other. (just guessing) …On the surface it looks easier to trade two contracts closer in dollar amounts, & as Rhet had pointed out, the deal was made prior to SlewBan’s NMC kicked in, therefore Nashville does Not have to honor it……….… We may never know, but had the CBJ’s chosen Puljujavi with the 3rd pick, perhaps the Oils would have traded the 4th overall based upon what was offered them…..

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:22 pm EST

Boy if this is it, we are in for a looonggg season. Ooopff. I still can not fathom what the hell Sather or whoever was doing the Gm job was thinking in signing both Girardi and Staal for those kind of terms. How desperate was he that he had to give so much money, years and a friggin NMC to these guys? Chalk it up to Loyalty? LOL. If so he has to go die in a ditch. This is not the old days, Sather you moron, you can't pay guys as a reward for what they have done. Sorry one or both of those guys should have been traded. Hank should have been traded and we should have kept Talbot. The list of follies seems endless these days. Been a steady decline since before the game 7 loss to Tamps IMO. It has been a decline since the begining of the Cup finals with LA. Sure we had the great regular season but so what? This teams personnel has slowly morphed into something I really do not like. Had a lot of trouble watching the team play last year. They just don't keep my interest. Soft. Boring style. This year may be more of the same. These fools that run the team have had so many chances to change things for the better but keep missing. Just not a good day for this Rangers fan, sorry.

NYStranger


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:14 pm EST

Stevie: I though Martin as well. But there was something yesterday or the day before that came across Twitter that said he was asking for too much...now today it sounded like his price came down and other teams got back involved, but still, I think they had a budget amount for that roster spot and he was over it.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:13 pm EST

WIOSA: I don't think I could find a city anyplace near NYC as cheap and NC. So please stop with that. The cost of living in NC is hella hella low. Housing is like 60% cheaper statewide than NY. Now NYC drives that up but not 60%. Face it. Cost of living could have paled a role

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:11 pm EST

patrick bordeleau is still available

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:09 pm EST

CM i thought Martin would sign here and glass could be gone. i don't get lucic being worth more than ladd, but the nyr can't afford a 2 cents plain. wonder who clutterbuck is going to tell opponents to fight now that martin is gone....I hope he gets his face clusterf'cked...more than it is already....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:04 pm EST

I don't see why St. Louis wouldn't want Nash after losing Backes and Brouwer. They only signed Perron.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:00 pm EST

Just curious if anyone thinks we seriously missed the boat on any of the guys signed by other teams today? Other than Stalberg? I'm not sure

ColoradoMark


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:58 pm EST

WIOSA - I mean this in the most sincere way, you are the the conscience of the Wall. It would be less without you. Thanks. (regards to Hospo, but she wins)

limbo


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:58 pm EST

While I hardly think today is a landmark day in the retooling of the franchise, I'm happy w didn't waste a bunch of money on over hyped guys. Two minor league depth defensemen, meh. Grabner at least has speed. sucks to lose Stalberg, obviously rangers didn't want him for some reason. As for Gerbe, that's the signing I like . Sure we aren't getting bigger with him, but the guy can play hockey. He has impressed me over the years and has always played well at MSG. Bring on the trades!

ColoradoMark


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:54 pm EST

NHL screws itself with these crazy contracts. tell me how does a guy like Lucic get 6 mill per and a 7 year deal. why would lad a age 31 get an 8 yr deal for 5.5? smh we can have another work stoppage in 2 years League is full of idiots. Soon we can look at Nash's contract as being a deal. unreal

KIS


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:54 pm EST

Stevie...all kept hearing on NHL.com was how great the Bolts are and they are now the cup favorite

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:46 pm EST

Wild. ..Nobody has to live in NYC. Now debate like an adult - stop the name calling, or ignore my posts. I do believe last year you accused people of lacking math skills because they wouldnt buy your cap heaven. Name calling is immature. You dont want debate? Write a blog sans a comment section.....HOSPO. Gmta....

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:35 pm EST

on a different note and team...the hab nots seem to take the cake...insisting on too much from the oilers instead of taking hall...wonder what fishboy offered for the #4 pick , and what the oilers were asking for....only the debbies fooled them....there was a deal to be made with the oilers, but the pursuit didn't work,,,that's a shame...the nyr with Hall would have been improved no matter what they were paying within reason....the fish that got away....but the sue-ban story is the biggest ball of confusion,.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:19 pm EST

Stevie: unless there is some plan within the Rangers ORG that they see this year as a "give it a go but we need more work to do" meaning it's in their eyes a throw away year, if the PP and the PK are not both at least top 15 and more likely the PP being top 10 and the team D is not improved over last season AV likely will be gone. Not really sure on timing, I would think depending on any other moves trade wise I always say a coach and players need to be given about a quarter of a season to get on the same page and have players at or near their best in a sysytem and with each other. So let's say, a the latest Christmas break. Now we will probably see the writing on the wall if they are sort of giving in for the year based on further moves. If let's say Nash and Step are moved for futures...than I would think they are looking past this season and AV wouldn't be held to the same standard....but I have a hard time thinking they would actually do that. So my standard for AV stands.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:13 pm EST

Your last post makes my point. If I don't say they are horrible. They must be perfect in my eyes. Farthest thing from the truth. Farthest. For some reason though your not capable of seeing that I say that...it's mind boggling that you can't. I have very good conversations about the Rangers and their moves with other people other places, and in person, and no one seems to have this idea that I think the Rangers do everything right. Only here, and they can have substantive conversations with me discussing things. Here it's "Gorther sucks" "AV sucks" "if they were any good they would have signed player A,B, and C for good cap hits and made those 57 trades all at a good return for the Rangers and had 30 goals scorers who were perfect defensively at every forward position"

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:08 pm EST

York. See you MUST have a lack of a brain. I don't see no wrong from the Rangers. But at the same time I do t do the low IQ wall dance of finding wants got bitch and cry like a 2 year old. Ignore facts and reality. And go all out and make stuff up. There are PLENTY of thugs that the Rangers do wrong. I pout them out. But Boone ever see it's because I don't say "this is the worst thing ever. They all suck. The Rangers will miss the playoffs" "AV is weak, he hates player A. Wait no player B."

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:05 pm EST

Nyr have the market cornered on # 5,6,&7 d men ... Did they resign Diaz ? Is hunwick coming back ? ... Now fishboy can put his trading lure back on ... Retool, refool, reject, regurgitate , reiterate , return and repeat....rewind ...word is the odds in Vegas just changed ....recharge...real close....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:53 pm EST

The Rangers did great today, they are going to be the best team in the league. Gorther has been doing great as is AV Holy crap Wild is right I feel like my IQ is going up already. Guys stop being low IQ poozers and embrace that Rangers management are perfect.

York18


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:52 pm EST

Wild have to agree with you on you sometimes being brainless...and as you can read many here agree....the rest of us are just clueless...yes there is a difference....and they are opinions that you think insult your intelligence....good.....want to bet on the coach making it through the season or not ?......buek is the preamble to it....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:49 pm EST

Tossed on the MARTIN contract. $2.5 mill is a lot...but the guy is young...don't know....could go either way. Would have definitely paid $2.6 mill for VANEK...STAAL contract too...very good...outside of that? MEH. Some contracts that will be alright. Some contracts that will be awful. Some contracts that will be bought within two seasons. Soup sucks? Will if it's that kind of party, I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes!

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:37 pm EST

Oh and no AV...probably no Gorton. Job for life however....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:36 pm EST

Hospo. Yep a totally lost season does have its merits: Lottery pick..

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:32 pm EST

Would have been nice to have Martin and MCI out there...If AV would have allowed it....Really thought we were signing the missing link....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:27 pm EST

And soup sucks. Oh my. Dejavu!!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:25 pm EST

Bob: BUT..Wilford Brimley does not suck. Diabetis. That sucks. Take that.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:19 pm EST

How about the Preds with Nash? ...We may have to take back too much salary but the Preds have the D....Need some offense....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:18 pm EST

Low IQ=anyone who disagrees with Wildcard. Fortunately, he cares enough to continue sharing his brilliance with us. I felt my IQ go up half a point by hanging out here today. Hope everyone else benefitted too! For crying out loud........chill. It's an Internet posting board. Meanwhile, Sather sucks, AV sucks, Gorton sucks, Grabner sucks, Dolan sucks, Hayes sucks, Girardi sucks, Gerbe is tiny and sucks, Hags sucks, McIlrath is Norris-worthy And the Rangers will be in the lottery next Summer.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:17 pm EST

maybe the Rangers and Colorado (Duchense, Landerskog, Barrie otehrs) can still be a trade match with the Rangers?...Minnesota seems like they got the center they wanted, even if I disagree.....How bout the DUCKS with NASH?? Ottawa? Winnipeg? FLA--would love BJUGSTAD..Something decent..please

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:12 pm EST

WILD why does everyone have low IQ when they aren't blind fan boys like yourself who see no wrong? Your BS about Hags wanting more money is bullshit thye never talked money and even said he would have taken less on a bridge deal so stop with the bullshit because you look exactly like susie sunshine glowing happy for Rangers management

York18


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:09 pm EST

RF4L - Damn straight..it's a sports board...let the emotions fly..save the condescending academic rebuttals for real life!

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:08 pm EST

Some signings I had missed ..Lovejoy to the Devils..Still sucks they got HALL...Dallas wit h HAMHUIS...Do you think there is a team out there that would need a 2nd line finesse center like Step? or a two way 2nd line wing like Nash..or a 2nd ppair D-man like Staal...? Thye were our big chips...Who still has needs? Becasue this team is done if the top 9 remains the same....Or maybe since we hav a #1 pick we could tank?

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:02 pm EST

Live ve = love

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:01 pm EST

And sometimes you tend to take venting too seriously/personally I think. I live ve this place because like it or not it's painful being a Ranger fan far more often than not and I have a place where I can wallow in my Ranger misery (and sometimes glory ) with those who truly get it. Therapeutic in the very least...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:58 pm EST

Very good move in signing Paliotta. Watched him play 4 years at UVM. Good combination of size and skill and loves to hit. Very good leadership skills too. Very surprised that Columbus did not qualify him. It may take another year or two, but I think he can be a solid NHL 4,5, 6 d-man.

VtRanger


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:57 pm EST

Wild. I sure hope you're here if/when the Rangers suck next year. What I have found is those who defend all (or most things Rangers) disappear when things go south. Trust you won't be one of them. And so it's clear I'm here good or bad praising or criticizing appropriately...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:51 pm EST

Stevie: Brainless arguments are made here every single day. I do not always agree with management. Its just that people on this wall, you included, can not see anything other than "yes love management" and " hate management" If someone doesn't toe the wall line of "management sucks...AV sucks" than they are in agreement. Its a real low IQ thing that I am surprised at seeing at times because of smarter things said about other things on the wall. I do not agree with management all the time. But you apparently are not smart enough to see that there is more to things than black and white. I don't agree at all with the NMC clauses they put on way to many deals. I didn't like them on the Giradi and Staal deals to begin with, I said as much, that I was OK with a few years, and I could understand guys wanting to know where they would be for a few years, but not the length of the deals. I said that I didn't like the idea of so many guys being moved for Nash, but I can look at Nash separate from the deal and decide if the team is better of worse, and it has nothing to do with the deal once its done. I thought that Duclair was way to much to give up unless they knew something we didn't about Buchnevich, and figured there was not room for both, but still would have rather some other prospects have gone the other way. And I would have loved t have retained Stalberg, I was one of the few who thought the deal would turn out good when they signed him....but in reality, they didn't lose that much, and we don't know how much the Rangers offered him. If they offered him what he got and he still left, oh well, they have a guy who will bring about the same impact as he did on the ice....a wash IMHO. Still like Stalberg and wish he would have stayed....but I will no fault management for refusing to overpay for him.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:44 pm EST

WIOSA: I NEVER once thought that the deal was made to get Etem. I said 100% that it was a cap move since Hags wanted so much more than the Rangers could give. I did say that the Rangers may have wanted Etem in the trade, and that is why they chose THAT deal, but I NEVER once even thought that the moves Hags in order to get Etem. They were moving Hags. And thats the best deal they saw. I also said that the deal could no be rated until after we saw what the drafted player turn into. There was no cap problem if Hags was willing to get paid like a 3rd line PK guy instead of a 20 goal scoring 2nd line guy. 4 mil is what he was looking for and what he got.....thats insane money for what he brings. Yet on this wall we have people starting to gripe about a guy signed for 600K. Amazing...just amazing.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:41 pm EST

rf4l he is not, he agrees with everything nyr management does....just us dummies on the wall are clueless.....all inclusive....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:40 pm EST

Wild you were saying we had no cap problem BEFORE the deal, or the draft. You kept posting it. Kept saying we had no cap problem. We were all criticizing Sather for his mismanagement (he was still gm) you kept defending him saying there was no cap issue. You did too praise Etem and INFERRED he was a reason for the deal. The Rangers, Carl and his agent all agree they never talked money. So it was not him pricing himself off the team. Reality, they had a cap problem and could not give him what he was already making never mind an increase, so why bother. Anyroad. I see a lot of mismanagement here, I saw it last year. I think our dismal play and horrible exit from the playoffs proved my argument correct. We are debating the same issue again. Time will tell.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:39 pm EST

So we know AV doesn't like McIlrath gecsaie he doesn't play enough games and we know AV doesn't like Miller....is it because he had the 5th most 5 on 5 I've time per game of forwards? or 7th TOI per game overall and thats with Staal who had more than him on the season, but played mostly with CAR. SO lets get this right...its the lack of playing time that proves AV doesn't like McIlrath, but Playing Miller doesn't mean he likes him........based on what that he didn't play him much last year?

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:38 pm EST

wilcard- time will tell , but i will go on record as saying that the even the strong deoderant that is henriq lundqvist will not be able save this collection of crap from stinking up the garden this year. but perhaps in the long run that is best because it will mean the end of av and it will move the orginazation in a different direction . admittedly even with the mederate scucess that weve achieved over that past 5 years ive never been entertained .although winning and more so winning the cup is the ultimate hockey entertainment it is the style of play and the charisma of the players that makes rooting fun .

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:38 pm EST

Wild you are quite argumentative. Lol

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:34 pm EST

WIOSA: I never said Etem was the reason of the deal. I always said the deal was die to Hags wanting too much money and it was the pick and Etem together and that it would take years before we knew if the trade was good. I say we are not having big cap problems BECAUSE they didn't over spend on Hags. And at the time I said they the cap was no issue based on what I thought Hags should sign for....but at 4 mil per that was WAY to much. Don't put words in my mouth. Also I have only said that Gerbe is a Low risk, High(ish) reward gecsaie he is a PK guy and if a young player outplays him he can be sent down and not count against the cap or sit as the 13th F since he is such a low cap hit. I never said he was a steal. Never even thought that. Just a good sage signing for a team that is wanting to improve the PK and work the cap well. I think that you are unable to process informations its written. I am very level with my thoughts on team moves. The majority of them take at least a year to really know. I said the same thing about the Yandle trade, that we couldn't know until after at least a season....It was a move that made the Ragners more dangerous from the back end, and Yandle did his job well int hat regard, but he ended up worse than I thought defensively Although not as bad as some make him out to be) and with ind sight he was definitely overpaid for. If they had won they cup based partly on his play, than would anyone have an issue with it? But to say that Hags at 4 mil would have been a good signing....sorry...i can't go there. He could revert back to what he was, and be a low impact 3rd.4th line PK guy for the PENs and in short order the fans were will be upset by his cap hit.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:31 pm EST

WIOA - Exactly the point i was making

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:30 pm EST

WIOSA Agree about MCD and the C and leadership..We have ZERO on the Ice...Need a forward and a d-man that gets in the faces of both opponents and , more importantly, teamates...Thye are nowhere to be found.

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:29 pm EST

All - when I say coach doesnt like Dylan,,,or Miller that much, I dont mean personally. I mean their games.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:29 pm EST

Not a huge fan..but ...Sharks reportedly sign Mikkel Boedker to 4-year, $16M deal. http://thesco.re/29id3K2

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:27 pm EST

One of the things I did want to see,,but now that Erik is gone forget it, I wanted McDonagh to give up the C. His play has gone down from the weight of it, and there is no leadership in that lockeroom. Remember Leetch had the same problem? Helluva dman, lousy leader.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:27 pm EST

Paliotta will be good for Hartford when Graves moves up.....Smegma to Canucks....So, let's see, wit h Brass, Step, hayes and that great center Grabner taking FO's, we should win about 38-40% of the draws! Lov it..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:26 pm EST

docjay: Nearly 50% of NHL coaches now preach openly to play between the whistles. AV is not alone. This idea that he is run the other cheek is as brainless as most other things Rangers fans say about every coach, every player ever GM who ever has anything to do with the team. Rangers fans LOVE to bash the organization, even when its doing good things. AV sucks because he "turns the other cheek" He will win games, more than all but 2 teams play off wise over a few years, but he os a loser because he has the team not be neanderthals and play like its the 70's...guess what...there is NO evidence that teams that "take it to" the opponent win more...in FACT those teams seem to be the ones out of the playoffs every year as of late, and they are out in the first round more often than not. The Pens didn't just win the cup because they played rough, they played smart and played good D and got goals.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:25 pm EST

It is not just this wall that feels Dylan is disliked by the coach. The other site I post on, and the beat writers. I still think he has reservations about Miller.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:25 pm EST

fishboy is signing plenty of d men...somebody's got to go...tony soprano.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:24 pm EST

Canucks just signed Jayson Megna to a one year deal. Always liked that name lol

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:23 pm EST

WILD - 99% of the shit you and eveybody says is based on what we think as individuals..There are very few facts that are discussed...Yes, it's my assesment of the situation from game deployment that AV prefers a different type of defenseman than Mcilrath on his 3rd pair..I think it's pretty telling..Understand if you don't... I hope I'm wrong becasue Mcilrqth is one of the few Rangers worth watching...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:23 pm EST

Nope that's the funny thing. He would not have gotten us the cup, but he helped them get the cup. Kessel was not performing, not with Malkin, or Crosby. So, funny how that goes. Look at the salaries that are being offered and YOU are one of two that swore we had no cap problem, so that argument doesnt work with you. He was then (although we didnt realize it) and is now worth the money. Doesnt matter...water under teh bridge. YOU were too touting Etem, even infrerring he was the reason for the deal. Now we got a 'steal with Gerbe'..uh-huh. More genius at work. I think Gorton was stuck, but he made it worse. HOWEVER, i have always said Sather made bad deals (not the money, the terms) and that we had a cap issue, YOU argued the other side.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:21 pm EST

wilcard- the way mci was used by av was disgraceful. our only playoff win hes a key player in the physical game and then sits the remaining games. f av and his turn the other cheek approach and thats my observation . this team as currently constructed sucks and thats also my observation

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:21 pm EST

WIOSA: Stop ignoring parts of my posts in order to make it seem like your making a valid point. 3% taxes AND AND AND AND AND AND (do you get it there is an and meaning added stuff to the 3% thing) the cost of living. It will come out to 15-20% or more deepening on where he would live around NYC. 15-20% increase in pay by leaving the Rangers...not 3%...say again for your clearly slow working mind NOT 3%. More like 15-20%...again more like 15-20%. Clearly you can't look t that number and come up with a way yo offset that reality of finances so you just ignore it.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:18 pm EST

WILD - "And with out him the Pens still hoist the cup I am fairly certain." Really, you are? Not me...The HBK line was baout the best line in the NHL for the last three months and maily took off because of the addition of Haglen's speed to that line----he was the team's missing link up front...Personally, No way they win it all withiut him.

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:18 pm EST

Hospo; You sound just like everyone saying Miller was on the outs with AV. He wanted Skjei because he had played more recently and was faster...thats all. It doesn't mean that for an entire season he doesn't like McIlrath. You reaching like the AV hate Miller people were.....face it...you have NO idea what AV actually thinks. Your guessing. You can pull out one game here, one game there, a little here and a little there and it still means jack....again, it could be that AV doesn't like him, but clearly we have no idea, and thats using the fact that so many misread the miller situation so horribly....

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:15 pm EST

I never said Hags sucked. Or that Etem had arrived. I was optimistic that Etem could have a turn around with a change of teams. I also said that Hags wasn't worth what he was looking for. I stand by that. Hags being signed for what he wanted with the Rangers would mean more cap hell now than it actually is. Hags at 4 mil is far far too much, sorry...he isn't that valuable to a team. And with out him the Pens still hoist the cup I am fairly certain. But they are now in cap hell, they have 700K or so to get their cup winning goalie signed.....yeah they won the cup, and that is great for them, and I wish the Rangers had, but man, they are going to have hard time with the cap.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:13 pm EST

WILD - OK, you wanna be like that...Open your damn eyes...Of course we have an idea of what AV thinks Mcilrath brings or doiesnt bring to the team game.RIGHT NOW..It's seen in how infrequently he dressed him last year when the others were healthy..It was seen in the POs when AV wuld rather play DiaZ..would rather move SKEJI to his opposite side....AV wanted other ingredients that Mcilrath doesn't bring, it's that simple

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:12 pm EST

i actually like the Paliotta signing . hes a physical shut down defenseman who captained his college team and from watching his interviews he looks focused anf intense . whether he has the talent to play regulatly in the nhl remain to be determined but hes a player with upside and he plays the kind of game i wish the rangers had more of. likely headed for hartford but with sime develpment could be a solid 3rd paring d. man with an edge and good leadership skills

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:09 pm EST

Wild....you never stop. You were the same person saying Haggy was dealt cause he sucked and wasnt worth the money and ETEM had arrived. wooo hooo. Need a link to Haggy lifting the cup? Or him dancing by himself in the parade? Or them chanting for the HBK line? NOW Stalberg wouldnt sign because of a 3% tax difference. Sure. You never stop. The GM, who according to you is terrific and doesnt have a cap problem, is supposed to make this team competitive. Is it? Stalberg was not goiing to win us a cup, neither was Haggy. They were pieces to a puzzle that for some reason, the Rangers cant put together.....ALL rumors have Kane, as in Evander Kane (what problem does he have now) is available. Personally I would rather sign Messier for another year. However some are wondering if he's worth the try.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:09 pm EST

"Low IQ." LOL! Border will play in San Jose. Good move for him and for them. On Matt Martin....face facts, after his 3rd or 4th boarding penalty or after he sticks up for a teammate a few times......AV would have him in street clothes anyway just like McIlrath. Might as well not spend the $ until the coach is changed.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:09 pm EST

WILD - Not making a finalo decision yet, but perhaps well have the making of a firnedly wager come September..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:08 pm EST

Hospo: Blah blah blah blah the same crap touted here over and over and over and over and over and guarantees made over and over and over about Miller being hated by AV, and AV didn't like his game, and AV would never use him. Maybe AV will never use Mcilrath, maybe he dint like his game. But the brainless drone of this wall following the same line of "logic" that lead to Miller being shopped and never used by AV is just maddening. We have NO IDEA what AV feels about his game, gecsaie he is a young player, and AV always does this to young players, accept Hayes, and people griped in his rookie season that AV didn't use him enough....now those same people want him traded....its silly. We have no idea what AV actually thinks...your all just guessing. I would hope that if McIlrath is a regular on the back end thins year that maybe at least a few of you will stop reading into nonsense and just allow AV to do his damn job.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:03 pm EST

Hospo: I will say right now, if this is the team its got the same chance as about 50% of the NHL to make the playoffs. And with Hank in net, its more likely than many. But in reality...we have no idea.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:00 pm EST

WILD - Actions speak louder than words..Of course, he doesn't dislike him as a person, his game may jut be another matter

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:00 pm EST

WIOSA: Nice avoidance. Would you give up 15-20%? If you were going to do the same job, and thought you had the same chance at being at the top of the heap?

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:59 pm EST

After seeing the crap the Rabngers signed, I kinda lost my stomach for seeing who else was signed around the Leage..Weise? Boedekker? Demers?Vrbata? Vanek?

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:58 pm EST

AV has never had anything bad to say about McIlrath, so lets see if he actually doesn't like like him or if its just trumped up by fans on the wall because they refuse to see how AV does things.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:57 pm EST

Wild would I turn down a 3% rate hike to stay with a company I like and who treats me well? Hell yeah. Moving right along. This team has STILL not made up for the loss of Hags and MSL, now we have Yandle (PP) Moore (FO's) Boyle (errr okay...addition by subtraction possibly). Worse, we have added nothing since our game 7 loss to the Bolts. Other than age. We are not a cup team of course, now we're probably not even a playoff team. I can accept a rebuild...but do it right. This was just total inability to make it better, not even hold onto assets to keep us in the race until we could try to make something work. I just find it hard to feel good that the Isles are not that much better. I would prefer to see the NYR excel.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:57 pm EST

Rangers sign 23 year old Michael Paliotta. 6'4" 212 pound 2nd year pro out of Vermont (Hockey East). Just 2 NHL games and 68 AHL games.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:55 pm EST

Drew: Yes. I have disliked many many moves. I just don't go low IQ and pretend there can be no positives from any move. I actually look at it as a whole, and decide. I also look at the move separately from the players involved. Like the MSL trade. There were those that connected the player to the trade. They rated everything he did based on the trade, that not the correct thing to do IMHO. But to rip the Rangers for not signing one guy and replacing him with another who has all the same numbers from last year seems silly....especially so early in the offseason when there are still moves to be made. There are things being said that have no basis in fact in any way shape or form. But there are things I do not like all the time.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:53 pm EST

with tanner glass on the outside looking in and dylan mcilrath being overlooked and disliked by the coach , this team is likely to set records for lowest pim and fight totals . so at least there is something we can look forward to , not.

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:53 pm EST

WILD - Bul....Very few on here were saying the Rangers wouldn't make the POs..OTOH, they were all praising STOOL as our new 3rd line C while Stalberg was mostly a Meh....Except for me, I hated his signing..eh, one for two.....But I'll say it right niw, if this is the team, they don't make the POs..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:52 pm EST

Given the number of shitty games last year the Rangers were lucky they were in thev POs. They got their just desserts once they made it tho...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:52 pm EST

The Rangers were 78.2%on the PK the Leafs were 81.6. Thats 13th overall vs 26th overall. So the Rangers got a guy who helped a team have a better PK.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:51 pm EST

Wild - I totally respect you and your opinion and I mean this as light hearted as possible. I'm curious - have you ever disliked, disagreed or criticized the Rangers? I'm from the old days and I always remember you passionately defending Ranger moves.

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:49 pm EST

Gleff Gorther sucks.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:49 pm EST

And I can't believe I just wrote GORTNER! I swore I would never do that...it just came out!

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:48 pm EST

docjay: It was about this time last year that the Rangers were going to be lucky to make the playoffs according to this wall. TO say this early on that the Rangers will be a bad team is just...well...narrow minded and hasty.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:47 pm EST

How can one take Larry Brooks seriaously with crap like ........"The 29-year-old Austrian, who has scored 12 shorthanded goals over the last six years, should provide relief on the penalty kill unit that crashed to 26th in the NHL (78.2 percent) last season."..Hey LARRY--1 SHORTHAND POINT in the past two years, you moron!...........................and...........".Grabner, who probably would be penciled in at the moment as the Blueshirts’ fourth-line center (replacing Dom Moore, off to other pastures as a free agent)"............really Larry,,,,Ya kniow , there's this one thing centers do in hockey..it's called taking FOS! Grabner has taken 60!!!!!!!! in the last 7-8 years!!....No wonder Gortner can get away with crap with writers like this.........RILEY NASH would make a good 4th line Center....not Michael Graber who should not have replace SSTALBERG..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:45 pm EST

Grabner also played 3 times more PK time per game than Stalberg....but that could be just from more PK time for the leafs in general.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:45 pm EST

PJ- aside from june 14th 1994 when hasnt it been a shitty day to be a rangers fan

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:45 pm EST

Stalberg, Grabner , Goober.....None of it makes a difference....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:43 pm EST

Even advanced stats are very close between them.....I don't think there will be a drop off at all from Stalberg to Grabner.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:39 pm EST

wildcard- i got news for you , michael grabners gonna be playing on a really crappy team this year too

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:36 pm EST

Wow....what a shitty day to be a Ranger fan...

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:33 pm EST

wait wait wait. SO Stalbergs 2 more assists and same number of goals as Grabner means that the Rangers are less skilled and will be hurt by the loss of Stalbergs skills? And all that with Grabner playing for a crappy team....like a really bad team last season. I know its not all about stats, but still, they are very very similar palters skill wise, and I think from the 4th line and the PK you can get stuck overstating the skill sets of the players involved.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:32 pm EST

NY Rangers resign Joe Micheletti to a 5 yr deal worth ...........

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:29 pm EST

is luke gazdic is available ...... just kidding

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:25 pm EST

so as of this moment weve added 3 mediocre finesse players after losing 3 good finesse players . ( stall, yandle and stalberg) that means the team is less talented and just as physicallu unimposing as last year . i can see where this is headed . and the rangers actually had the hubris to raise ticket prices. what hockey fan in their right mind would pay for this garbage . cant wait to hear the msg hype machine try to put a positive spin on this offeason

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:23 pm EST

Hospo: what was the amount you would have maxed out with Stalberg?

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:22 pm EST

Hospo: Multiple people think that todays signings spell the end Glass, so there is an improvement if there is one. As for taking face-offs....well....I don't even know who is still out there....and that player could come back in a trade as well. Lots still floating around.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:19 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/rangers-grab-ex-islanders-speedster-on-great-bargain/

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:19 pm EST

Bottom line, worse team today then they were at the end of last year...4th line worse then at the end of the year (not signing Stalberg was idiotic)...Nobody to take a damn FO or hit or pester anybody.....yeah, yeah, yeah, plenty of time left, I know....and I get that...But I'll change my mind appropriately if and when anything happens..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:15 pm EST

Gorther sucks....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:15 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Joe Smith ‏@TBTimes_JSmith 7m7 minutes ago #TBLightning Yzerman said they're engaged in negotiations w Kucherov, confident they can come to agreement. "Hopefully sooner than later."

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:15 pm EST

WIOSA: To emphasize the point that you are completely out of touch. You just said "let players walk" really. SO the Rangers could have told him NO you can't go. Also STOP IGNORING PARTS OF REAITY. 3% less tax (would you turn down a 3% raise?) PLUS a lower cost of living....much lower...your talking 20-40 percent less deepening on where you live. the NYC area is one of the most expensive in the world. Would you turn down a 15% raise or a 20% with cost of living and taxes. But again, you think the Rangers can control the players.....and who knows, maybe the Canes told him he would get a chance on the PP and the top 6....thats part of why Prust left although the Habs didn't even give him real shot.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:07 pm EST

WIOSA: Again, you are deciding that you know for sure that the Rangers didn't offer that amount or more to try and keep him. You are once again just ignoring that he is taking hime more in NC than he would've in NYC at that rate. You can say all you want that the Rangers could have taken on that deal...and of course they could, but would he have stayed for it? YOU DO NOT KNOW.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:06 pm EST

Wildcard: just looked it up: State income taxe is just under 3% less in NC..... NY City income tax is approx $19,800 on the first $500K & then 3.8% anything above that.... "IF" Stalberg were to live outside the 5 boroughs as in Nassau County L.I. I think that he would not pay as much in overall taxes as he would if he lived in NYC or the other boroughs...... SLegs, you're a snapperhead

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:06 pm EST

Wild, it's roughly 3% lower in taxes. This is ridiculous. Why dont we let all our players walk to save on taxes?

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:02 pm EST

WIOSA: Yes, but the tax rate is lower, the cost of living is lower, MUCH lower. Thats like getting a raise. I really hope that you will not argue that a dollar goes just as far in NC and in NYC.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 3:00 pm EST

Where do you get that amount? We can go through this with all deals. He shoudlve been resigned. The money he took we could afford. North Carolina has state tax and sales tax. It is not like Florida

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:57 pm EST

The saton twins swing for the fences and hit little knubbers down the first base line and are thrown out trying to slide into first instead of running threw the bag to get a tie goes to the runner. ... like going blue fishing and catching snappers .... They catch a cold from all the wind coming out of themselves. Some retool or was that retread ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:53 pm EST

Vanek and Martin gone

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:52 pm EST

If I am right, and Stalberg wanted to take home the same amount, and offset the cost of living, would you be OK with Stabled at 2.2 mil? I wouldn't be....not on the 4th line. Not with the cap issues, and not with other things needed as well.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:51 pm EST

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 1h1 hour ago Joe Colborne deal with @Avalanche sounds like a short term deal. Hearing 2 yrs 5m. #SigningSeason

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:50 pm EST

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 39m39 minutes ago Oilers paid Lucic 42m for McDavid protection. @MapleLeafs willing to pay Martin 4 yrs 12m for Matthews protection? #SigningSeason

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:49 pm EST

Stalberg: I'm p/o'd they didn't resign him.... He seemed like a good character guy. Keeping him would help maintain & re-establish chemistry or next season's identity.... jmon

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:48 pm EST

WIOSA: At the same rate and even a little more he will make more money where he went. He will pay less taxes and have a lower cost of living, all leading to more money in his back account at the end of the year. Stop pretending that $1 is the same in NYC and anyplace else.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:46 pm EST

Panthers give goalie Reimer 5-year deal..... Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 50m50 minutes ago Reimer breakdown is 4.5, 3.2, then three years of 3.1. No clauses, straight salary and term

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:46 pm EST

ALL the money is what the money is. What is really getting me is the terms. 9 years, 7 years, some of these guys are in their 30s. Talk about not giving a crap about the mess you leave behind. Because ift he team doesnt win in that period of time the GM knows (except ours of course) that theyre gone anyroad. If they do win it all, nobody will nitpick.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:45 pm EST

I think we also need to consider the fact that the NYRs may no longer be considered by UFAs as a likely Cup winner. And, therefore Gorton may need to (but cannot) overpay to get the cream of the UFA crop to sign here.

Ranger47


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:45 pm EST

The Carolina Hurricanes have given Lee Stempniak a two-year contract. General manager Ron Francis says Stempniak has agreed to terms on a deal worth $2.5 million per season. The 33-year-old Stempniak had 19 goals and 33 assists in 82 games with New Jersey and Boston last season, and has 184 goals during an 11-season NHL career that also includes stints in St. Louis, Toronto, Phoenix, Calgary, Pittsburgh and with the New York Rangers.

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:43 pm EST

FACT he left for something we could easily pay. We needed him for F/Os and speed. If he left for a chance to get the cup I could see it, he didnt. They are no closer to the cup. If you need that player and you can afford him you get the deal done. That's what a GM does. Martin just signed with Toronto.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:40 pm EST

WIOSA: LMFAO. If he had gone to a cup contender to would've another excuse, if he went for more money you would have another. FACT is that we don't know why he left, and it was reported that the Rangers were working hard but didn't want to go much above the 1.5 mil he had made before. IT was rumored that they went above that however he still left. Explain that...but you can't...because there is nothing that makes sense. But your desire to make the Rangers management bad, to pick at everything they do and make it negative, that you can't see reality. A guy like Stalberg who makes so little, will go for a bit more money if he thinks that there is a equal chance to get a cup over the term of the deal....especially if they will get nearly 25% more money because of where they live.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:37 pm EST

Good enough for Chicago but not the NYRangers........

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:37 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 34m34 minutes ago Brian Campbell contract with Chicago: $1.5 M salary base plus $750k 10gp bonus: $2.25 M total

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:36 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m1 minute ago Matt Martin to TOR. Four years. $2.5M AAV.

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:32 pm EST

RF4L yes, I am saying that. If an organization names it's GM that is who I hold responsible. I dont care who suggested the deal, negotiated the deal, made calls on the deal, the GM signed off on the deal. He is responsible. Right after the draft, Gorton was named the GM, that is when he took the 'blame or credit' for what happened. WILD, no I dont intentionally misundestand, Im not accepting your "logic". Most players,unless theyre miserable would not prefer to move to another team, barring the chance to win a cup. I stand by my argument. You stand by your non stop defense of anything Ranger Management. We agree to our own opinions.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:31 pm EST

CONNOLLY would have been nice, but he's not a bottom six player. And at this point in his career, he's not looking like a top-six player either.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:30 pm EST

JFC - but you get nothing for style points only production..Thye haven't...And, yeah, I could see im,proving the PK...but maybe a center that can kill penalties and take FOs? maybe a guy the can kill penalties and bring energy and physicality? not these one trick jack asses...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:28 pm EST

RF4L - My bet is that GORTON had been heavily involved before he became GM and Sather is still heavily involved in the construction of the team (not day to day),..They both suck..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:27 pm EST

Hospo -- don't forget that they both played on shit teams. Anytime you have speed like that on the PK, they are a potential threat. PK was a disaster last year....they're trying to fix it.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:26 pm EST

Arc: I think WIOSA is saying the opposite - that Sather was in charge until last summer. What I'm saying is I simply don't know but cannot believe Sather has removed himself totally - his ego is too enormous. Hence the 2-headed monster called Gleff Gorther....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:24 pm EST

Wiosa: Your missing the point. YOU MUST be TRYING to miss the point. Yes the Rangers could have swung what he signed for. HOWEVER he may have been offered that much or slightly more and said no. OR could have been waiting more from the Rangers due to cost of living and taxes. You can't overlook that. We fans understand how much difference there is, an agent knows for sure and likely takes it into account. You can say all you want that the Rangers could have signed him for the same amount.....but we can't know that for sure.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:24 pm EST

Bob McKenzie says Detroit and Islanders out on Martin - TO one team still in the mix. No mention of NYR...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:24 pm EST

RF- I would actually agree with WIOSA that Fishboy has been in charge of last 2 years inspire of not being named GM until last Year. Slats himself said it during the press conference to appoint him that he had taken a back seat in much of the day to day operations (contracts) as well as some of the trades. He particularly brought up th MSL and Edmonton deals; apparently Slats was being ornary and was basically personally insulting to the other GMs during trade discussions. I read that as him being a hard ass and actually doing a good job of NOT GETTING FLEECED. Both those deals were apparently going nowhere until Fishboy stepped in put a blanket on the floor, and pulled his trousers down and bent over. Every single part of this post is f'n fact!

_Arc


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:18 pm EST

JFC - How do they make it a threat?..They have 1 PK point between them the last two years...And, BTW, who the Hell is our FO man?....We should have signed Stalberg and a 4th Center who takes FOS and also kills penalties...Not these two schmucks.....Faorget about the prblems up top, we still need energy , physicalit, and FO from the bottom lines..We'll see..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:14 pm EST

Gerbe and Grabner instant,y upgrade the PK and actually make it a threat. Both at a good price. Gerbe got himself badly injured last year and never really recovered so his performance was not great.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:14 pm EST

Wild I knew who you were referring to. TWO as in 2 as in 1,2 summers. Gorton was the GM for the summer. Sather was the GM for the draft. I saw what Viktor signed for and we couldve managed that.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:11 pm EST

stabling.....welll....that should have been Stalberg.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 2:06 pm EST

WIOSA: Two summers? Really, because Sather was still overseeing things part of last offseason. And he has hardly been inactive. As for stabling, yeah it would have been nice. HOWEVER this is where fans step put of their element and become braindead. WE talk bout it all the time here, how the tax rate in NYC is killer, and the cost of living otherwise in the area. Don't you think the agents know that as well? SO Stalbergs camp may have been asking for compensation based on that, and perhaps were asking 2-2.25 mil per from the Rangers and less to other teams? Or the Rangers offered 1.75 but the slightly less from another team means taking home more and a lower cost of living. Point is, Gorton may have done rather well, and went as high as us fans would be accepting of a player like that, but still lost out. Its hard to judge without knowing all the facts.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:57 pm EST

Wild Fowler wouldve been good, Stalberg would be good. He's been inactive for two summers now. So Far...the day is young.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:56 pm EST

WIOSA: That's why I am calling the 2 headed monster Gorther - I honestly don't know how much involvement one vs the other had in the recent past and has currently. I do know how I feel, however: Sather remains involved, of that I'm convinced. I just cannot say to what extent...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:56 pm EST

WIOSA: Carful with "inactivity" He from al rumors went for the number 4, Stamkos, and a bunch of other things, tried moving BOTH Giradi and Staal, Nash and others to improve the team. He isn't willing to take pennies on the dollar....I am OK with that. After more than a decade of bad signings and some bad trades, we should be happy he is not just rushing to do things just to do things.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:54 pm EST

If anyone starts to feel sad...remember it could be worse....like Lucic for 7 years at 6 mil per with a full NMC/NTC.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:53 pm EST

Gerbe better watch himself in training camp: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/22/isles-michael-grabner-suspended-2-games-for-illegal-check-to-head/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:53 pm EST

RF4L, whoa, whoa,,Im not enamoured with Jeff Gorton, but he is not the one that handed out those NMC's, or multiyear nightmares. Money I dont mind, the terms are the killers. That was not him. The inactivity is him.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:48 pm EST

Someone on twitter pointed out that in the time Gerbe was on the ice short handed he had one of the lowest goals against while on ice numbers. This is a PK move, specialist move, not a bad move at all. And with only 600K on the books, if a young player can be as good on the PK and better overall he can be held out as a 13th F or sent to Hartford and cost zero against the cap. Low risk, High(ish) reward.

Wildcard


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:47 pm EST

Zucc didn't want to be the shortest on the team, deal with it! ;-)

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:46 pm EST

It's unfortunate that when a guy like Stalberg gets left unsigned it pisses many of us off... Too few on the Rangers bringing that effort, and that's a problem

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:45 pm EST

And there has got to be somebody worse than Gerbe out there that Gorton can still snag from the other asleep at the wheel GMs..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:43 pm EST

Hey, we each have our own opinions..All I kniow is I hate both players the Rangers signed (Clendenning fdoesn't even matter) and just adds, IMWO, to what is a team that is very hard to like and watch,,,,...But, that's my problem

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:43 pm EST

Higgy: Yzerman has WAY more to work with. Gorther's plundering of Ranger draft picks and issuing lucrative contracts with NMCs is having, as many of us predicted over the past few years, severe repercussions.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:40 pm EST

Bishop likely moving soon...

PatrickDiv


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:39 pm EST

Brandon Pirri http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7498

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:37 pm EST

Jesus, Yzerman just won't quit. Gorton could learn a few things.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:37 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 2m2 minutes ago Lightning announce they've signed goaltender Andrei Vasilevskiy to a three-year contract extension worth $3.5 M per

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:37 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 3m3 minutes ago Joe Colborne has signed with Colorado

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:37 pm EST

Starting to get annoyed at the adulation the NHL crew are thowing at the Bolts and Yzerman. Yes, he's good, they did even better...we got it, heard you..now shut up and move on.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:36 pm EST

Smith-pelley and Pirri were the ones to jump out at me. Still believe there are a couple of deals coming which is why I suspect Martin has not yet signed...

PatrickDiv


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:33 pm EST

Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN 8m8 minutes ago Brett Connolly signs a 1 year with Washington for $850,000.

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:32 pm EST

Stupid move missing out on Connelly, goes to Washington.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:31 pm EST

Higgy21, Hope you're right, because if Gerbe is in Hartford, Rangers have better players than him! Win, win!

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:29 pm EST

Martin hasn't signed yet, bc he doesn't know if he wants more money playing elsewhere or stay local with NYR for a bit less, where obviously I'm sure his girlfriend would rather stay. And NYR do need players for Hartford, and thats where Gerbe will be.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:24 pm EST

Hospo - I am with you. They also could have kept Sarrela and the 2 second rounders and we would have still been bounced in 5 in the first, this year! : )

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:24 pm EST

Gerbe is a penalty killer, that's it. He is good at it. You're telling me Glass is better than Gerbe??? This is a very good signing for 600k and a player that is a specialist at the PK.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:24 pm EST

And why even sign Gerbe and Grabner NOW when nobody else in their right mind would sign them until Sptember?

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:23 pm EST

DREW - They could have picked/signed better players..Stalberg over both of these pukes..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:22 pm EST

To be honest, I am not surprised at this approach. I do believe the Rangers will make a trade or 2 and I did not think that would happen if they did not happen at the draft until after free agency panned out. They wanted Stamkos and could not do anything until that panned out. I am happy with Grabner, meh with Gerbe and hopeful that dopey AV does not use them inappropriately.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:22 pm EST

Don't know what you guys see in Grabener but hey everybody was praising Stool last year also..Very Fast like without Fast hitting,,,...Gerbe is another story..His play slid badly last year.An insignigicant gnat....Provides little impact or energy......Canes tried everything on all lines and he jutst failed everywhere...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:20 pm EST

FWIW, I think the Staal signing might be the most astute so far. Reasonable contract and not for stupid term. Give him top 2 line center minutes and I'll bet he does well.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:18 pm EST

jkopp: I responded to that argument yesterday. Yes it wasn't a problem last year but last year was a wash-out given the way the Rangers played more often than not and ultimately got bounced in the POs. If you believe last year was an anomaly then you gotta look past it at the 2 previous years, when in both seasons they went deep in the POs and lost because they simply couldn't score enough (remember, 2 SOs in New York against the Bolts). And if last year wasn't an anomaly then nothing's been done to address that - same coach and same leadership core.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:17 pm EST

I don't think Gerbe will be on the roster opening night

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:16 pm EST

Hospo playing the role of DREW reacting to the Eric Staal trade. Hospo - these are the type of moves a retooling team may need to make. There are still possible trades to be made as well.

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:16 pm EST

Grabner is not a bad deal at all...but clearly not enough

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:14 pm EST

RF4L, Rangers were 7th in goal scoring last year...that was not the issue.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:14 pm EST

Clendening, Grabner and Gerbe....definitely shifting the leadership core! ;^)

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:14 pm EST

TDCHI _ sure they can, but this ain't rebuilding anything.....Grabner and Gerbe on a 4th line? Not that matters with all the other problems..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:13 pm EST

Hospo: Love it when you're entrenched in the dark side...LOLOL. You're hilarious dude...LOLOLOL.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:12 pm EST

Bottom line for me so far is none of these moves have done much to change this club. Better PKing I guess, but still lack leadership, top end scoring and a coach who actually motivates.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:12 pm EST

I get Gorton's MO, sign palyers that previously sucked or were often hurt and hope they miraculosuky can bring consistency...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:12 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 4m4 minutes ago Pierre LeBrun Retweeted Canadiens Montréal $575k first year, $650k second year, one-way deal ..... Canadiens agree to terms on a two-year contract with free agent Zach Redmond. DETAILS -> http://goha.bs/298quso

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:12 pm EST

Rangers Report @rangersreport Rangers needed to rebuild their bottom six forwards, especially with speed and PKers. But some fans can't grasp that.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:11 pm EST

What it also tells us is that the forwards employed by the 'Canes on the penalty kill (Jay McClement, Pat Dwyer, Nathan Gerbe, and Riley Nash) are very, very good at what they do.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:11 pm EST

I can handle the Gerbe signing at that salary. Still waiting for one of these so called core changing trades, however.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:11 pm EST

Gerbe, BTW, signed one-year $600k...both good moves IMO.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:10 pm EST

Canadiens agree to terms on a one-year contract with free agent Al Montoya. DETAILS -> http://goha.bs/29eFJTz

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:10 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 22m22 minutes ago one year, $5.75 million for Radulov in Montreal

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:10 pm EST

Rangers just signed a heck of a PK if the stats equal their performance.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:09 pm EST

Ahhh.oook: In 2015-16, new #NYR Nathan Gerbe was on the ice for only four power play goals against while logging 48:59 of shorthanded ice time.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:09 pm EST

HOSPO--I know that you are really excited, like I am, that the Rangers have signed Nathan Gerbe!

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:09 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 14m14 minutes ago Love the Hamhuis signing in Dallas. Has more hockey left in him. Motivated player. Still a top-4 blue-liner

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:08 pm EST

Gerbe? LOLOLOL....Gorther's swinging for the fences!!!

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:08 pm EST

U see, u get a decent deal and then they have to ruin it with a 5'5'' pee-wee

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:07 pm EST

E: If Martin signs, then gotta figure Glass is gas...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:07 pm EST

HOSPO, you're like an old Italian Grandmother talking about how the old days were so much better...have a beer or something a relax...the world is not ending. Let's let the guys play a game before you throw away your jersey and next season.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:06 pm EST

If the Rangers can find a way to add Martin, I would be a happy guy for the weekend. Has to fit the budget, but if they can, I would. I thought Martin would end up in Philadelphia but with Weise going there, probably not.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:06 pm EST

Hospo: Disagree. He's very similar to Hagelin.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:05 pm EST

GRABNER is another SHIT signing..Injury riddled and inconsiostent for three years...Last year a pedestrain 4th liner Not a top 9 player and not a fit for what we des[perately needed on the 4th line.....STALBERG was a much better option.

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:05 pm EST

Grabner is here for specifically one reason: PK. And thats a signing to cover actual need. Grabner was high on my board. I don't know which wing he plays but could spell doom for Glass. Just by body count

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:04 pm EST

Gerbe I don't get.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:03 pm EST

jkropp...LOL, but wishful thinking I suspect.......

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:03 pm EST

Good contract, too. Nice work by Gorther...for those who don't know much about the guy, he's very similar to Hags, including the stone hands!

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:02 pm EST

Wow! That's a great deal IMO

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:02 pm EST

RF4L, attach Girari to Nash deal too ; )

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:01 pm EST

2-years at 1.6 AAV

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:01 pm EST

Now trade Nash for picks and prospects and sign Vanek and Martin....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:00 pm EST

Good signing by Gorther....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:00 pm EST

Grabner a Ranger. Great signing.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:00 pm EST

Grabner, Vanek, Martin - we sure like them Islanders

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:00 pm EST

Let's see how much...will decide if Gorton reached

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 1:00 pm EST

New York Rangers got Grabner.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:59 pm EST

We got Grabner. I like that a lot.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:59 pm EST

PER THE NHL FILES...believe me, I don't break any news.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:59 pm EST

DSP re-signed in NJ. So did Beau Bennett.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:58 pm EST

Rangers

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:58 pm EST

jkropp - did he sign with anyone?

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:57 pm EST

GRABNER...okay boys, talk amongst yourselves...

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:56 pm EST

RF: I think a lot of teams held off their numbers talks with those second tier players until the big fish fried. Later this afternoon you'll start seeing all these journeyman level players getting their deals. So, the guys at XM radio were saying.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:54 pm EST

TDCHI - from the 1 or 2 games I saw, JENSEN is not the same type of player as Stalberg..we need stalberg's type more

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:54 pm EST

Smith-Pelly did not get a QO. Instantly, grabbed my intention. I saw nothing about him signing somewhere.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:53 pm EST

RF4L or his flight to Toronto hasn't landed after he declined his father-in-law's Rangers.

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:53 pm EST

Smith-Pelley--Lindberg--Martin..............Make Our 4th Line Great Again.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:53 pm EST

Andrei -Hrviak and Borque are do nothing players..add very little and career black aces at best...JENSEN maybe, he will have a shot...But still not a qucik, fast, enrgy banging player that teasm (especially the Ranges) need..Guys lile Pirri are worth a shot, but if he doesn't score, he does nothing

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:52 pm EST

Wonder why Martin is taking so long to sign. Could it be because he really wants to come to NY and he's waiting while Gorther diddles?

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:52 pm EST

Already signed? Never mind!!!

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:52 pm EST

WIOSA: But I don't see it that way. You also have some graduated kids who fit into the plan. Quickie was playing in the top-6 when he really belonged in the bottom-6. And I really like him. Lindberg I think has an NHL level of game. And I don't think the New York Rangers want to dump Hayes (give me a razor) right now. Worst case is Buch supplants him and drops Quickie to the 4th which honestly is a nice problem to have. But they could make me real happy if they got Smith-Pelly, and Martin on the left and tweener'd Glass.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:51 pm EST

E/Bob -- add me to the Smith-Pelley camp also. Kid would be an excellent 4th liner and he has enough talent to jump up and fill in on higher lines when needed. Methinks if Martin doesn't sign with us, Smith-Pelley would be a nice fit.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:48 pm EST

TD: Got to Give Vinik some credit....... He hired Yzerman

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:47 pm EST

Sorry to see STALBERG go and he had a reasonable cap hit...another contract that was worth it...but his departure opens a spot for JENSEN. And I'm fine with that too.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:46 pm EST

Smith-Pelley already resigned with the Devs. Great deal too: $1.3 million for two years.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:46 pm EST

Smith-Pellet already resigned with NJ

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:46 pm EST

Rich Evans ‏@Hockeyagent Shawn Matthias is excited about joining the Winnipeg Jets for the next 2 seasons!

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:46 pm EST

E--Agreed. You and I agree about him and Kyle Clifford........too bad neither of them are likely to be Rangers. I think that, like Selanne, Palmieri, Hagelin and several other players, Smith-Pelley was grossly misused by Boudreaux when he was in Anaheim.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:45 pm EST

Radulov signs in Montreal...1 year deal.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:45 pm EST

Yzerman=GM of the year. Inking HEDMAN was HUGE. He's still got his brass balls between the vice though...Gonna take a lot of hometown discounts to keep that team together.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:45 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 16m16 minutes ago Tampa Bay Lightning announce Victor Hedman has signed an 8-year extension worth $7.875 M per season

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:44 pm EST

WIOSA: Agreed 100%...shit or get off the potty. The Rangers did the former for the past few years and had a nice run but no ultimate victory. Now the downturn has started but does Gorther recognize that? Sure doesn't appear that way. I concur I'd rather see what we're seeing vs giving say Andrew Ladd a big long term contract but doing nothing to me reeks of confusion and nearsightedness. It's frustrating to watch....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:42 pm EST

E I hear you, but our minor leaguers are not really good.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:42 pm EST

BOB: Ive seen him play against SJ several times. The kid has wheels, big body and man does he finish his checks with authority. Puts a big !!! every time he puts people to the glass.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:41 pm EST

Andrei...HUH??? You first and foremost make a decision, where is your team going? You rebuild, or you retool. Your describing choose one from column A and two from column B. That guarantees one thing...we will sell tickets and SUCK. We didnt have the bait to hook a big one? You shouldve known this from day one and deal Hank - talk to him, explain youre rebuilding. Next Nash. Next Ryan....then you start rebuilding. You dont hold onto high priced veterans who cannot win it all and use bottom tier AHL players to fill in the spots.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:41 pm EST

and look at it like this: once upon a time Sather would've paid Backes $7 million and Campbell $6.5 million and the New York Rangers would suck and miss the playoffs yet again. I didn't expect a top-6 forward via free agency unless its Vesey (questionable at best.) But there are roster spots to compete for right now instead of once upon a time having 2-roster spots surrounded by aged out vets.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:39 pm EST

Devante Smith-Pelly: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8365

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:38 pm EST

E--you beat me to it. I like Smith-Pelley too. Saw him a lot here in Anaheim. Probably too expensive, but a Grabner-Smith-Pelley 4th line might be an upgrade.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:38 pm EST

Hospo, not really. You have Marek Hrivik/ Nicklas Jensen/Ryan Bourque just as starters, plus i'm sure there will be some invites to the camp, so we shale wait..

andrei


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:37 pm EST

Brandon PIRRI: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7498 ......... Michael GRABBED-HER (sorry WIOSA, couldn't resist) http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5729

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:37 pm EST

Hospo - Riddle me this then: What one of these awful contracts would you have wanted?

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:37 pm EST

My other "under the radar" guy is Smith-Pelly. I'm surprised he didn't end up retained. I like that kids game a lot. Worth taking a shot on.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:36 pm EST

Don't forget Martin and Vanek.....Hopefully all 4 sign elsewhere.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:34 pm EST

I would be ok with Grabner.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:33 pm EST

It's gonna be Grabner or Pirri, whoever signs for the cheapest $$$

VtRanger


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:32 pm EST

Gorther hard at work...accomplishing nothing. LOL....

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:31 pm EST

Higgy: this could be the crescendo...............

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:29 pm EST

Andrei - yeah, lets just throw a kid in there even if we have none that are ready...We got jack shit in the AHL..We have zero enry, speed, physicality...Yeah. Nieves is 21..play him...or Gropp, he's 22, oooh, play him

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:28 pm EST

Yet theres no reason to not want him back. My bet is Nash goes to Detroit for Riley Sheahan+

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:28 pm EST

I can see Nash in Detroit...

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:28 pm EST

JKROPP - Then Gorton didn't watch the stink on ice late last year if he didn't want Stalberg back..This guy scares me...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:27 pm EST

I'm sorry, but i don't get Rangers fans... We have $12 mil under cap. Still need to sign RFA's. What did anyone expected besides garbage diving and AHL fill-ins? Stalberg is next superstar player that got away? Same 4th liner that was scratched for long periods of time? I much rather see a kid filling up that role..

andrei


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:26 pm EST

To be dead serious for a moment, I wanted nothing to do with STALBERG last year...he totally one me over with his speed, physicality, energy and effort....All of which very few Rangers show...A perfect 4th liner..Should have been resigned..Somebody just as good better be..or it just adds to the decline....

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:24 pm EST

Frank Seravalli (@frank_seravalli) 39 mins ago - View on Twitter Boedker, Demers, Vesey, Russell and Matt Martin are the only players still unsigned among #TSN Top 20 list.

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:24 pm EST

Pretty clear to me Rangers didn't want Stalberg back.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:23 pm EST

U can't believe anything u read. What the hell was the meeting yesterday between NYR and Stalberg about? What the hell could Gorton have offered him?? Stabling basically just got the same exact contract as last yr. There has to be a trade in the works where he's afraid to spend even a penny...

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:22 pm EST

So Clendening and Beuk is our big retool! Wow. What the F is going on?

NYStranger


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:20 pm EST

So, Stalberg gone..Lindberg out for the first few month,....Moore likely gone...Can we somehow get a professional 4th line? something that provides energy, speed and/or momentum? We'll see...Of course, that does nothing for the the top lines that can't posses the puck or play defense

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:20 pm EST

STALBERG should have been signed for that kind of money & term...

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:19 pm EST

Hospo, let's turn it up a notch and point a finger at DOLAN! It starts there.. imon

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:18 pm EST

That was bad...we lost STalberg he signed for 1.5? Common Jeff

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:18 pm EST

1.5 million 1 year..Rangers couldn't do that?!?!!?

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:18 pm EST

Higgins - Yep...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:17 pm EST

Oooh great, room for Boo Nieves! :)

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:17 pm EST

Exactly. U also have to hear Gorton say in his interview how a few things were close... Then grow a pair and sweeten the deal a bit.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:16 pm EST

Stalberg to Carolina...fuck

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:15 pm EST

Higgy - the sick part is that wit the way the Rangers/garden treat theri players, how they spend theor money freely, and how players genuinely want to come here, we end up with mismanaged bullshit (made so by Staher and Gorton) and people talking about rebuilding and taking 3-5 years...it's a disgrace...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:13 pm EST

The term and dollars for these deals are insane. Stall and Girardi are exhibit A. No mention if these deals come with NMC's. I would assert we were saved from ourselves with a big been there done that and it did not work out very well.

gene_carr


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:12 pm EST

no, this team will always be a mess, just like the Knicks. But if u don't want to lose Klein to Las Vegas or somebody else, start moving the trash out.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:12 pm EST

OK, we got the next Raphael Diaz, can we now get the next Jaret Stool, the epitomy of a Girton signing..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:11 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 15m15 minutes ago The San Jose Sharks have signed David Schlemko to a four-year deal worth $2.1 million per season; Really underrated player in my mind

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:09 pm EST

Higgy21, ever think that fixing this mess is not going to be a one or two year thing? Start trying to do it all in one year and you actually make things worse for years to come.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:09 pm EST

Hopefully with Beuke on board, McIlrath will make the Rangers tough to play against

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:09 pm EST

TDCHI - He ain't passing on shit..he has a hole-filled roster but he ahs no money to do too much....But there are guys to take a chance on, ..Not this Joe Schmoe

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:08 pm EST

Weise deal was pretty good too...sucks Flyers and Islanders got two guys that will be tough to play against

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:08 pm EST

Yes, he's being smart, but he hasn't done shit to address the problem of this team. You have to give to get, and why would any team do u any favors when they all know this team needs to make quite a few changes??

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:07 pm EST

ADAM CLENDENING (RHS): Good Signing IMO: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?9052

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:07 pm EST

HOSPO, every guy they sign is not going to be superstar. He is a depth player that will most likely play in Hartford. Man oh man...

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:06 pm EST

Actually he has no choice....He can't sign any of these guys....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:05 pm EST

Hospo: He's doing what every other smart GM is doing: Passing on trash that is WAAAAY too expensive. This is actually a fine example of good GM'ing. Nothing that has been signed would have helped the Rangers.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:05 pm EST

jkropp - 23..35..who cares..he sucks

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:04 pm EST

PJ - Exactly, couldn't tell if Staal's issues were the way he was played and used (AV had zero clue how to use him--Hey why should he be any different) or just his slippin play..He managed to fire up fpr about two games, about it....Just pissed that MINN got a center, not that it will help him much.....COYLE is a better player

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:03 pm EST

What is everyone gonna do when Chris Higgins Returns to Broadway??

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:03 pm EST

Loved Clendining when he was with the Hawks organization. Was a very promising puck mover at the time. Righty shot, good offensive instinct. Suspect he was a depth signing for Hartford. SAFE signing, unlike the rest of this malarkey.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:02 pm EST

HOSPO, he's 23...you act as if he is 35

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:02 pm EST

Amd yes, Gorton blows...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:02 pm EST

Staal can make all the excuses he wants....He sucked last year in Carolina and here....Even at that price I am glad we didn't sign him....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:01 pm EST

Bob, Beuk will keep him playing...

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:01 pm EST

CLENDENING is as bottom of the barrel dumpster dive scum as you can get...Non-entity D-man...who can't really defend.....nor generate offense..Jounryman..enjoy Hartford...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:01 pm EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/five-nhl-teams-in-one-year-the-bizarre-journey-of-adam-clendening/

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:01 pm EST

Holden and now Clendening? Nice knowing you Undertaker!

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:00 pm EST

Bob, well with the Rangers he wasnt put in position to score. Minnesota is desparate for a good centre, hopefully he'll work out there.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:57 am EST

WIOSA - Salaries are going up because GMS are inking stupid contracts. These are ridiculous...almost every single one. None of these players are worth the money they're getting. If you're a GM, you are so much better off filling your bottom six with kids and passing on this garbage. Again, kudos to Gorton for not jumping into this mess.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:56 am EST

YES!!!! WE WIN!! Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 2m2 minutes ago Adam Clendening signs 600/300 New York Rangers

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:56 am EST

Just heard the interview with Eric Staal. He says that his numbers dropped the past 2 years because he was not put in a position to score points, and that he will and will be the Wild's #1 center. He says he went there because he wants to win the cup. Did this guy suffer from repeated head injuries? And who the heck is Adam Clendening?

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:55 am EST

Boedkker would be nice. A Hagelin type player.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:54 am EST

WIOSA - step "up"??/ Nooooooooooo.....

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:51 am EST

Drew I think they mightve taken a step up, but again...think they need a goalie. Wonder what Pitt is doing with MAF?

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:50 am EST

The Eye of the storm has just passed, the outer bands of the TRAD-ER-RATOR will next hit the GM's in Trades....

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:48 am EST

DREW - Much worse. Isles took a big step back unless DAL COLLE is ready and STROME wakes up. Ladd and Chimera are definitely on the back nine of their careers. Maybe the 17th hole even...

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:47 am EST

Rumor going around that Matt Martin signed for 2/2...but another site said not yet, still talking. TD salaries have gone up, look around the league

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:47 am EST

Way too much $ flowing around. And.......the best GM in the NY area is Ray Shero.

Bob


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:47 am EST

HOSPO: I actually think the trade winds will start blowing after this UFA stuff starts to settle in. With the cap and expansion I think a lot of teams really need to know where they are before getting into this. Given the metrics and what the NYR need to do, and put that up against what has been happening league wide with player movement? I gotta say, I'm actually glad to see that the NYR haven't been overly stupid. Whether by their own self inflicted wounds or by market forces. I think there is so much trade bait out there that hasn't moved since was expected. I'd like to see the NYR do something but did I want Lucic, or Ericsson at these numbers and lengths? The NYR are already hamstrung by two toxic contracts that they need to get out of blocking them about what? 11-million in cap?

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:46 am EST

TD: yes sir, Perron & Staal sure seem like good value signings

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:45 am EST

McGinn signs with the Yotes. Three years, $10 million. Another bullet dodged. These GMs are absolutely punch drunk. I can't believe some of these contracts that are flying. Just unreal. Right now, the Bruins are paying $6 million for their third line center...

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:45 am EST

Bret Connolly.(RHS) .... Kid looks good... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?7680

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:44 am EST

No, they can't just clap their hands, but they better do something. When your team sucks, and u keep the coach, ur placing the blame on the players. Somebody better wake up bc ur not gonna get fair value when the players are just not that good and overpaid.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:43 am EST

did we just get Martin?

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:42 am EST

The Eric STAAL deal is the only one thus far I would have endeavored. Maybe PERRON...All the rest are absolute garbage. Kudos for Gorton for staying out of this fray.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:41 am EST

How many of these deals would people consider the "missing link" to a championship??? Vancouver going after Ericsson after not even making the playoffs with an aging roster? Saying that they wanted someone familiar with the Sedins? Maybe 6-years ago that makes lots of sense? Now? Lucic given a lifetime contract with Edmonton? I like the guy but come on... Is he gonna be scoring +30 goals annually in the next 4-seasons, because even if you consider Edmonton on the rise, their window ain't gonna open for a while and then they're gonna have a fading tough guy with no hands. Stupid stuff. The only major deal so far that makes overwhelming sense to me is Okposo to BUF. Young team on the uptick. Goal scorer in his prime. That makes sense. I see things like the Brower signing and that makes sense for continuity but I see a bunch of lousy deals pushed by fringe teams who I don't think made themselves any better today so far.

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:38 am EST

HOSPO - I'm fine with this, Rangers don't have a lot they can do and certainly making a move just to make moves doesn't work esp when they don't have a lot of cap room. Get rid of old legs and bring up some kids. Rangers just can't clap their hands and make shit happen.

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:36 am EST

chimera + ladd - okposo, nielsen - better or worse? FCK man!

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:36 am EST

Think its safe to say Vanek will be a Ranger by the end of the day. Hopefully Matt Martin signs in Toronto, has to be a reason Islanders signed Chimera over this guy with over 9 million in cap space. It would be a mistake not to sign Connelly.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:36 am EST

Anyone care to guess what HANZAL would cost us? Doesn't Maloney owe us a few favors?

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:33 am EST

Here's what Zucc just posted to Facebook regarding his Norwegian charity tournament: "....thanks to all the Icebreakers for helping out. And thanks to my boy Henrik Lundqvist for letting in 3 goals on 15 shots to let the Icebreakers beat us. Luv you!" LOL! What a character! He keeps Hank grounded and humble.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:33 am EST

How's Martin Hanzal's back holding up these days??? He has 1 yr remaining @ $3.1 mill ....... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5221

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:30 am EST

Chimera ISLES. UGGGG

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:29 am EST

Will there be any landing spots for guys like Stepan and Nash after the frenzy..Will there be any improvement to this squad up front .or will we have the same warmed over unable to possess or win shit this coming year..? I couldn't care less about other teams making "regrettable " deals, the Rangers need to get better, alot better

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:28 am EST

NYR: nows your chance to trade Marc Staal to MIN for anything. Maybe Haula

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:27 am EST

No Step to Min now. How good does Nash's contract look now? ...I am out. Enjoy the day!

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:27 am EST

wow, crazy money. Glad we are don't have cap space... Backes 5*$6, Eriksson 6*$6? WTF... So Nash salary does not look bad right now. Price tag for Nash had just increased..

andrei


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:27 am EST

E Staal to Minn. 3.5 x 3

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:25 am EST

You know, if you manage your cap right and you evaluate your talent right, you can afford contracts that seem unbearbale for short term gain..Rangers have done neither and can't do much...So, I guess it's good that they can't do anything

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:25 am EST

Great deal for Calgary. Definitely worth just under 5 million

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:25 am EST

Eric Staal to MIN. 3 years. $3.5M AAV.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:24 am EST

Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib .... Sources say #mnwild has signed Eric Staal...3 year

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:23 am EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 1m1 minute ago Brouwer, four years, $4.5 million per season, with Flames

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:22 am EST

Bob McKenzieVerified account ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie... Brouwer to CGY. Four years, $4.5M AAV.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:22 am EST

TDCHI _ Thats' an alabtross of a different color!...I like BACKES but he has ALOT of wear and tear on him

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:22 am EST

Higgy21: wth you do that for? :-)

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:21 am EST

STEVIE - I sure as hell hope he can talk trades with the other GM..becasue the only reason SATHER left or was replaced was becasue he could no longer communicate or deal with the younger GMs.....Gorton has shown me no evidence that he can either..but I'm giving him time....Pins and Needles...Needles and Pins...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:21 am EST

Gorton: Trade Hayes to Toronto & try to get BOZAK too.

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:21 am EST

BREAKING: As per @StapeNewsday #Sabres have signed Kyle Okposo to a 7-year deal

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:21 am EST

Brouwer signed in Calgary

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:20 am EST

Hospo: Backes for FIVE years, not one.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:19 am EST

Campbell to CHI 1-year deal is official....Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib ... ... 5 years, $30 million for Backes to #bruins, per @FriedgeHNIC

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:19 am EST

STL signs Perron... Good for them $3.75 on a 2 year sounds very fair...... TROY BROUWER (RHS) still unsigned, Go Get Him Gorton !

mf


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:19 am EST

As predicted, there are some really, really, REALLY bad deals going down right now. I sure hope all you guys are right about Gorton sitting on his hands. If there's a time to do that, it's now...ERIKSSON, LADD, LUCIC and BACKES all signed deals their teams will deeply regret soon.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:19 am EST

Great deal by BOSTON no matter the prioce for BACKES for 1 year....

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:18 am EST

Guess fishboy will net sloppy whatever if that, trolling along treading water sinking fast ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:18 am EST

The big boys are leaving the building..When is it time for the Dumpster Dive DiscountS????/ Pirrie? Connoly? Grabener? Stone Hands Korpokoskki? Gryba? Mcquin? Kamensky, er, Vanek?..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:17 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ... Scratch that one year deal for Backes to BOS. Backes to BOS. Terms TBA.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:16 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger .... Eriksson to Van. 6 yrs x $6 mil.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:15 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie .... David Backes is going to BOS on a one year deal.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:15 am EST

E - How could anybody give him half that after how he performed after the deal?

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:15 am EST

Backes Boston

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:14 am EST

E. Staal wants $6M per. Buyer Beware.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:13 am EST

NIELSEN will fit in well with the WINGS......Once again, everybody expressing sticker shock...Happens every year..it is waht it is...Nothing worong with spending Cash and years..IF IT"S THE RIGHT PLAYER......Luckily with the poor pro evaluation talents of GORTON, we don't have any choice in the matter..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:12 am EST

Bob McKenzieVerified account ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie.... Perron's AAV is $3.75M on a two year deal with STL.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:10 am EST

arren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger .... Panthers sign Sceviour and Marchessault. 2 yr terms. $750000 for Marchessault and $950000 for Sceviour.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:10 am EST

7-years on Ladd 5.5. That's a killer. I'd rather be the NYR doing next to nothing then to let go of three of your core players and put your eggs in this basket. Lucic gets 6-million over 7-years. Eeeek!!!

E


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:10 am EST

#RedWings and C Frans Nielsen agree to terms on a 6 year deal.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:08 am EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun ... Blackhawks place David Runblad on buyout waivers today

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:08 am EST

7 YEARS 42m for LUCIC...NUTS!!!

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:07 am EST

@NHL_AaronWard Ladd's deal w/ Islanders 7 years $38.5 million

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:06 am EST

I'll be happy to get Vanek but if we lose Stalberg in the process it wont' be as sweet...IMO

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:04 am EST

Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance .... James Reimer to the Panthers. Five year deal worth $3.4 million per season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:04 am EST

RANGERS Sign Drury and Gomez! oh wait...Thank Goodness we don't have to relive that roller coaster...

jkropp


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:03 am EST

Lucic to Edmonton confirned by @Real_ESPNLeBrun

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:02 am EST

Ted Kulfan ‏@tkulfan .... Sportsnet reporting....Ladd/NYIslanders a 7-year deal....Eriksson signs with Vancouver for 6 years...wow, that term.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 11:01 am EST

John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet .... Ladd signs in NYI. Ericksson to Van.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:59 am EST

i'd take eric staal over gabby hayes for the right $.....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:58 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ..... PHI is front runner for Dale Weise. Could be a four-year deal.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:57 am EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC .... Hearing James Reimer is looking at a five-year deal somewhere in the Eastern Conference.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:52 am EST

Looks official .... Fishboy big splash in the water...http://www.blueshirtsunited.com/article/jeff-beukeboom-named-assistant-coach

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:50 am EST

Friedman: Word is #TBLightning, Kucherov talked briefly at draft. They'll start to work on contract now that Stamkos is done.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:50 am EST

http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/rangers-hire-former-d-beukeboom-as-assistant-coach-070116

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:47 am EST

theScore ‏@theScore .... Report: 'Strong likelihood' Kyle Okposo lands in Buffalo, Loui Eriksson in Vancouver... http://thesco.re/29cfb3Y

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:45 am EST

Well the wait is over. Tom "Fantasy Camp" Sestito has been resigned. Penguins a shoe-in for cup repeat...

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:44 am EST

rf fishboy on a 14 day fishing trio that started last Saturday and officially at noon today....may get lost at sea...almost caught some big ones....trying new bait....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:43 am EST

Sportsnet dudes ripping the Yandle signing - lol. They like him but think the salary and term is way too much (which of course, is correct). Oh well, at least Gorther parlayed a stupid deal in the first place into 2 draft picks.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:40 am EST

Agreed on the news about Buek being named assistant coach is good overall and likely good for McI. Will this be the start and end of Rangers news today?

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:39 am EST

yandle also good friends with the Benjamin Franklin brothers ...big family...6 million of them...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:37 am EST

buek first then gernander by Christmas .....coach chief chewing gum like a cow needs to be sent out to pasture....and lead the where the fugawi tribe

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:34 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger .... Dale Weise deciding his playing future in what has been reduced to a 3 team race.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:34 am EST

Great add with BEUK, IMO...and agree Rhet0ric...McILRATH stays a Ranger...gets a big jump in minutes too, I'd wager.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:33 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ... Don't be surprised if Stuart Percy, not QO'd by TOR, signs in PIT. Also, DET in on Matt Lorito, who put up good numbers with Albany (AHL).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:31 am EST

I heard Yandle was also friends with the Hanson brothers.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:30 am EST

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay .... Just finished presser with Beukeboom. Will run #NYR D, not certain about PK yet. Story up soon

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:30 am EST

Yandle was also good friends with the Bourque brothers.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:29 am EST

DREW - Isles will always be a threat with TAVARES. But a cup winner? Not until they find a goalie. A real goalie, not a Habs retread and a glorified backup. Losing OKPOSO, NIELSON and MARTIN for them would be like us losing KRIEDER, BRASSARD and...well...we don't have anyone like Martin...but maybe someone like KLEIN...huge blow to that team...and while LADD is a competitor, the guy is getting old. They needed Ladd last season. Never say never, but the Isles, IMO, got taken down a peg. They're going to need huge contributes from some of their young guns to compensate.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:26 am EST

JFC/Hospo/puckyou - Tell you what: I don't know if all that is being said about HAYES is true...but from an outside observer, it sure looks like it is...incidentally...good friends with the Hayes brothers? Keith YANDLE.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:16 am EST

Wow is Flowler going to the Sabres?

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:15 am EST

Sabres Insider ‏@InsideSabres..... *BREAKING* #Sabres and #Ducks talks about Fowler heating up. Hearing Ennis and a 2nd. Expect to be done soon.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:14 am EST

Drew,,,I dont think so, but who wouldve thunk that Crosby, Kessel, Hornquist, Malkin would need a little LWer cog with stone hands to complete their package? I truly think the Isles need a goalie.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:12 am EST

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod .... No confirmation yet on Radulov to MTL, though certainly sounds like it... But word coming that Habs also want one of Russell/Demers

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:09 am EST

BTW... Beuke being hired means that MCI isn't going anywhere. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:09 am EST

stevie: I guarantee they talk money. How the hell else would Stamkos be able to make the decision he made? No way did he wait all year to resign with the Bolts without understanding what the open market would pay.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:08 am EST

DREW: No - suspect goaltending, no depth on D and other that Tavares, where are the goals gonna come from? They gotta hope one of their young forwards steps up. Ladd is a good addition but no way does he make the difference between PO contender vs cup contender.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:06 am EST

Bs farce on no talking money ... Buttman rules enforced as he sees vindictive time ...

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:06 am EST

alright guys - a revisit to mid May for DREW. Am I nuts or even losing Martin, Okposo, and Frans, does Ladd make them a cup threat?

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:05 am EST

According to @TSNBobMcKenzie, Radulov "rumored" to be going to the Habs. Still not confirmed.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 10:03 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger .... Again strong likelihood Ladd goes to the Islanders. Okposo to the Sabres and Eriksson to the Canucks. Confirmation will come after paperwork

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:58 am EST

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr .... Being told #Oilers and #Habs discussing a deal centered around Yakupov and Emelin. More to come.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:55 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie ...Rangers have hired Jeff Beukeboom as assistant coach, Post has learned. Announcement expected today.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:54 am EST

Like I said...Nothing if official yet, but it doesn't mean they haven't come to terms yet.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:53 am EST

Elliotte FriedmanVerified account ‏@FriedgeHNIC..... Word is NYI and Frans Nielsen "have moved on." Barring last-minute change of heart, he is going to market.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:52 am EST

Rhet - I thought they had to wait until 12 PM?

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:50 am EST

NHL Rumors ‏@NHLRumorsDaily .... Okposo signs with Buffalo on a 7 year deal

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:48 am EST

Montreal doesn't learn from its mistakes....they signed that lazy Russian POS who played for the Caps and he sucked.....now they are signing another talented Russian who'd rather be somewhere else but SETTLED for Montreal.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:47 am EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun .... No confirmation yet out of Montreal but I hear that the Red Wings offered Radulov a one-year deal worth $5 million...

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:45 am EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun .... As many have speculated, Brian Campbell has made his decision and it's going to be a return to Chicago. Likely a one-yr deal around $2M

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:44 am EST

HOSPO -- yeah, your instincts/judgement were correct on Hayes. The guys who filled me in knew him well at BC and had daily contact with both him and Kreider....it's not just jealous musings from peripheral acquaintances, it's guys who know both of them well. They told me about Hayes early on and his last camp (and last season) were all caused by his lackadaisical attitude and lack of effort in the off-season. Shit pisses me off because his poor performances kept the Rangers from being able to,at least TRY to address the "last kick at the can" problems they could not overcome. This kid was looked upon to be a part of,the answer but he ended up being part of the problem....all because he's a lazy, classless, arrogant douchebag. I kinda felt bad recently when I went off on Kreider about not being able to finish and their opinion was it was because he cared TOO MUCH. The kid wants to succeed and help the team very badly and that's why (in their opinion) he's been streaky....he goes into funks and then he's high as a kite.....it's either sadness or euphoria to quote Billy Joel. I'll still go off on him if he continues to miss chances, but I'll temper my judgement with the idea that he CARES about more than just himself. And BTW, they also stated that they don't know. this for a fact but they would not be surprised at the idea that struggling in his Masters studies, grades, etc. could have effected his on ice performance. It sounds almost like he is obsessive compulsive.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:43 am EST

Speaking of chemistry.... Per Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib.... #mnwild still very much in the mix for Eric Staal

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:42 am EST

Sounds like there will be good chemistry in Montreal.... http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2012/05/18/weber-felt-betrayed-by-radulov-i-was-one-of-the-guys-that-stood-up-for-him-and-wanted-him-back/

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:42 am EST

Montreal can have him!

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:38 am EST

Even though it can't be made official yet.... Per Travis Yost ‏@travisyost.... Alexander Radulov has signed with Montreal..... Also per NHL EXPERT PICKS ‏@NHLexpertpicks ...... Unconfirmed reports out of #Russia of Alex Radulov signing with the #Habs. Stay tuned. #NHLFreeAgency

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:35 am EST

Getting rid of Hayes would be a plus in my opinion...At least a start at changing the attitude that was evident watching this team...I can stand losing but not watching a team that doesn't give a shite....They didn't appear upset at all when the Pens ousted them....Seemed happy the season was over....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:35 am EST

(Sorry Stevie and RF) but F#%^!!!! Hfboards reported a tweet that Ladd cancelled a trip to Detroit - will sign with the Fcklanders

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:31 am EST

Slava Malamud ‏@SlavaMalamud ..... Radulov's KHL options are limited to one team (CSKA), and he hates its coach. The Wings may get a palatable deal.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:29 am EST

BTW – Gorton’s strong suit in the front office was always evaluating at the draft…not so much in making moves for established players.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:27 am EST

docjay – While I would agree the Rangers are thin in the prospect category, I think your characterization is a little overly harsh. They’ve been absolutely masterful in turning third, fourth and fifth round picks into solid players…some who may even be stars…BUCHNEVICH is the real-deal. I don’t have any expectation that he’ll come into NY and score 30 goals…but the kid has all the tools…he has star power written all over him. Question is when and whether the Rangers will have patience for it…I mentioned TAMBELLINI. The kid’s game is pedestrian until you get to his release. It’s lighting fast. If he can improve elsewhere, he’s another who could turn heads…GROPP is the guy who gets ignored all the time…but from what I see, he’s another that could turn heads this season…KOVACS too….and see below about NIEVES…I’d say all these guys are on track to being NHL players…on D, we have GRAVES, a former fourth rounder, who looks to be another diamond in the rough…too soon to tell about the others, but from all appearances, we scored some really good players who dropped in 2016 for whatever reason…Sean DAY sounds like he could be a real find…no, the Rangers don’t have a flashy system like…say, the Canes, where they’re producing NHLers straight from the draft…or Arizona, which has sucked long enough that they’ve amassed a trove…or Toronto, which bottomed out and has some of the best minds in hockey picking with a trove of first and second round picks…but for where the Rangers have been picking and how their system has been working…they’ve done stupendous. I mean, any time your team is producing two to three NHLers per season, you’re doing alright. And they’ve done that consistently for years now.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:24 am EST

Pierre LeBrunVerified account ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun... Detroit Red Wings showing interest in Alex Radulov.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:19 am EST

PJ: Re Staal - just me musing. Also, if Gorther wants to mix up the top 6, it's gonna be tough to do so without trading one of his top 2 centers.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:18 am EST

JFC: Interesting. I speculated many times on here that Hayes got an agreement from Sather about never going to the minors and you just proved it (assuming your source is credible). Given his many games of uninspired play and AV's usual treatment of rookies/young players, it made no sense otherwise to me.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:17 am EST

JFC - So, I've been right form the start on that puke..:)..Hmmm, too bad his trade value is nil...The other teams know the flaws in his game and how he acts....Can't trade him...but he sure as hellcan't be a 3rd C on this team...and he blows at wing...

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:15 am EST

Why would we sign Eric Staal?.....Stay away....

PJ


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:14 am EST

Dominc Moore is done...Hopefully that was an opinion, not fact....Since Sather and Gorton have boxed themselves into a bad spot, the best thing to hope for today is a few smart low key FA signings...Unfortuantely, changeing the fourth line won't do jack shit in making this team better...It's the top six/nine that needs changing big time and another offensive D-man, if the Rangers want to compete..

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:11 am EST

Been holding back on this for quite a while but the discussion below about Hayes and the passage of time makes me comfortable enough to divulge it without getting the source in bad graces. Kevin Hayes is exactly what he looks,like and what we've been talking about....he's a low-class kid from a low-class part of Mass. He and his brother think their shit don't stink and he hates working out and putting in time away from the rink.....thinks he's big enough and good enough to compete with minimal effort. He's also not the sharpest tool in the shed....got thrown out of school poor grades.....again, no effort put in. Party animal in Boston, crazy dru ken craziness on a regular basis. Hayes and Kreider can't stand one another....complete opposites.,Kreider obsesses over things, cares a lot and puts everything he has into whatever he does. He is a workout beast and wants to do all of his training as good and as hard as is possible. He rises and falls emotionally off the ice on how well he is doing on the ice. When he's doing well, he is the happiest guy in the world when he is struggling, he is glum and morose. To me,,this is a very bad dynamic.....having 2 guys who don't like each other is never helpful to a team. Hayes is white trash and if he comes to camp AGAIN out of shape (yeah, he basically partied way his entire first off-season) the Rangers should dump his ass ASAP. AAMOF, they should already be trying to dump him. He wants to play for Boston anyway so just get a deal with the Bruins. Also, the idea floated here that Hayes would,sign here because of Kreider and that was incorrect. He signed because the Rangers promised not to send him to minors and give him a spot. So don't count on this Vesey-will-come-because-of-Hayes-and-Kreider theory. Sometimes familiarity breeds contempt.

JFC31


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:02 am EST

Welcome back Dominic Moore...

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 9:00 am EST

Helm off the board. Reaigned with the Wings...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:54 am EST

Trade: Dunno if I believe LB's claim, although I suspect (and have been saying it for a while) that Nash and Girardi, if he's willing to waive his NMC, are moveable but only if Gorther eats some salary. How much if the real question. If say for example, with Nash Gorther keeps $3,000,000 there would be suitors willing to pay a reasonable price. IMO, Gorther should do it because it's only 2 years and still shaves nearly $5,000,000 off the cap (assuming the return is picks/prospects), which can be used to sign an UFA such as Eric Staal. Signing Staal makes Stepan expendable and perhaps he could be flipped for Matt Dumba of the Wild. Just musing here but my point is that Nash would attract suitors if the Rangers eat some salary. Girardi too but the problem with him is he's got 4 more years on his deal, meaning the Rangers have dead cap space for that long. A bit more of a hit vs Nash.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:52 am EST

Whats sad is, those secondary guys, unless they really want to play with NYR, somebody else will always be able to beat our offer. Idk, Holland was able to trade Datsyuk's contract so easily, all he did was move back 4 spots in the first round and got rid of 7.5 million off the books just like that. I know Phoenix needed to reach the cap floor, but still, Phoenix is going in the right direction and i don't see why none of our players would be willing to go there, especially Nash when all teams in Canada are not on his list.

Higgy21


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:49 am EST

It's pretty crazy that historically the Rangers are offered pennies on the dollar for their players.....but they always pay through the nose for players on other teams.....most recently Yandle and Marty St. Louis.

TradeStar28


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:31 am EST

the most pathetic aspect of this whole scenario is watching jim cserny trying to hype our young prospects, as if any of them are ever going to be part of a champioship contender. fact is , that as a result of trading our picks and prospects, we have a depleted pipeline thats perhaps the worst of any team in the nhl, and we are max capped so that signing a significant free agent is beyond our means .

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:20 am EST

ive been a gorton doubter from the beginning handpicked by sather and approved by the dolans what more is there to say. trading 4 top picks for players that will not be contributing going forward ( including in my opinion rick nash whether on the roster or not) is a prescription for failure. and the only solution is to blow up the team and commit to a long term rebuilt , which we all know they will never do. so instead we are on the treadmill of mediocrity for the foresseable future

docjay


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:20 am EST

Let's hope Gorther has made any moves because he's targeting a UFA certain player or 2 who will replace who he's looking to trade away and until/unless he's landed that certain player(s), he's handcuffed. If that's the case then logic suggests anyone he's got moves on the table are likely fetching back picks/prospects. Oh, I certainly hope so...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:19 am EST

any thoughts on Marchessault ?

Pal17


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:15 am EST

Really RF - I was trying to be subtle ; ) I am old as well but that fan base and their arrogance this year, their loss was a consolation prize this miserable season. Now I want their center in 2018!!! Maybe they'll sign Ladd to an obscene contract and Boychuk pulls a Girardi. Where's WIOSA?

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:14 am EST

Doug Maclean of sportsnet saying Okposo the most attractive UFA and likely will land a long term deal with big $$.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:12 am EST

In the NY Post and Newsday, the following players are noted as possible targets for the Rangers today and in free agency. Michael Grabner.... Brandon Pirri... Darren Helm... Eric Gryba... Thomas Vanek... Jamie McGinn... Joe Colborne... Larry Brooks writes that the Rangers are expected to take a run at Grabner but adds that if the prices are too high, Jeff Gorton could "just as well wait" for the prices to come down. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:12 am EST

DREW: LOL...your hatred comes right thru the wall dude. It's funny - sorry, not poking at ya - I get that feeling. I used to feel that way about the Flyers. I still dislike them but too old now to get that angry anymore. That said, Gorther is really starting to get under my skin...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:04 am EST

stevie - RF - F that team - I can't stand them.

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:04 am EST

Gorther twisting in the wind again I see...his lack of activity is maddening.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 8:01 am EST

The contract Lucic is gonna get is going to be ridiculous because it'll be 6 or 7 years and he'll be sucking half way thru it.

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:59 am EST

And thanks Rhet and WIOSA...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:59 am EST

Drew they are losing 3 guys so the need fish for the fishtank....what they pulled in the last game of the season tells what kind of team they are....

stevielegs


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:59 am EST

DREW: Ladd will replace Oposo...

RF4L


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:58 am EST

Oh yeah....thanks Rhett I forgot HAPPY CANADA DAY to all my Northern friends.

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:58 am EST

Well if this site is correct there is a 10% chance we'll deal for some guy I dont want...that's it. http://www.nhlrumourreport.com/p/nhl-trade-rumour-board.html. or http://www.nhlrumourreport.com/p/nhl-free-agency-rumour-board.html

WIOSA


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:48 am EST

F'ingg Islanders man. Ladd? Why?

DREW


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:45 am EST

Happy 🇨🇦 Day!!

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:43 am EST

@TSNBobMcKenzie reported, source telling me #Canucks now front runners for #Eriksson. Source also says (not surprisingly) #Bruins out.... #Canucks "are going to go extremely hard after Loui Eriksson."

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:33 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger ...... No locks, but early expectations: Lucic goes to Oilers. Nielsen goes to Red Wings. Ladd goes to Isles and Eriksson goes to Canucks. #hunch

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:27 am EST

According to Larry Brooks, the Rangers have been offered "pennies on the dollar" in exchange for "primary asset" Rick Nash. (NY Post) Nash has submitted his list of 12 teams that he would accept a trade to. It's been said that the Rangers are not offering their players at a discount.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 7:13 am EST

As for today, I hope Gorton stays on the sidelines. I don't want a part of any of the UFAs out there that will make $3 million-plus...certainly not the guys who will earn the upper echelon...There are some REALLY BAD contracts about to be signed...and in two years, they'll be bought out just like some of the ones were earlier this week...my list in the order of importance would be GRABNER, KORPIKOSKI, COLBORNE, CONNOLLY, and Riley NASH...I'd kick the tires on OKPOSO, but he's going to be way too expensive...Some lesser guys to consider: Beau BENNETT, Landon FERRARO, Jeremy MORIN...would love to give Ryan BOURQUE another crack at making the team...I know some will probably cringe at this, but Tuomo RUUTU if he can be had on the cheap...would be a great add to the bottom line if he's healthy. Mike RICHARDS would be a good character guy to bring in to replace MOORE, but chances are pretty good both of these guys are too slow for what AV wants...Dale WEISE I like but will price himself out...Josh JOORIS is a darkhorse. Loved the guy at Union College...Wouldn't mind Darren HELM either, but again, he's going to make more than he's worth...would definitely take a crack at Jeff SCHULTZ...zero risk, all reward...don't think the guy will do anything to settle down the right side, but could be a good sign if paired with a guy like McDONAGH on the PP...would help move GIRARDI down the depth chart...Bill ARNOLD is a guy who played on a line with HAYES back at BC...could be a good way to get him back on track...nice depth signing and a right-hand shot, which this team desperately needs...Quinton HOWDEN...former first-rounder, still pretty young who could be another dark horse...Patrice CORMIER...wanted this guy for years...just a nasty SOB. Would be a good black ace.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:51 am EST

Hospo - I don't think anyone is gonna hold a spot for NIEVES. I wouldn't say he's a sure-fire NHLer yet...the guys I listed ahead of him all are...no questions about it...If I were to make a prediction though, I'd say he becomes a regular...I just haven't seen enough of him to really say where he'll land...were I to make the call now, probably a two-way center of the likes of Dom MOORE...Next season to make the NHL, he's gonna need to beat out a vet signing for sure or at the very least, HRIVIK and JENSEN...those two, OTOH, I think they'll be given every opportunity to make the club. Nothing is to be gained by keeping Hrivik in the AHL...he is what he is...and if he can't make the team out of camp, he'll be put on waivers to get a chance elsewhere...Jensen, as well, is ready. He's been ready...and the Hartford games I saw after his acquisition, he was really the only guy who stood out as NHL ready.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:50 am EST

The cap was supposed to even the playing field and save GMs from themselves. It is a complete and utter failure. How has the playing field been leveled? How many small market teams have won the cup in the last 15 years zero. Much like America itself the NHL is eliminating the miiddle class. You will have high paid top liners and either kids with entry level contracts or ahl fodder because there will be no money. The league is diluting itself further adding two more teams it's very sad to see a game and league I lived growing up fall apart. There was corruption back in the day that needed to be extracted but it was replaced by blind leaders who have now let player greed take over as well.

York18


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:35 am EST

The worst contract in Pro Sports history..... Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN .... It's Bobby Bonilla's payday ... and every July 1 through.... 2035 http://es.pn/29bwWAl #NYM #Mets

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 6:34 am EST

"Trades will have to wait. Clubs who swing and miss at the cream of this year’s free-agent crop — Milan Lucic, Andrew Ladd, David Backes and Loui Eriksson — will perhaps be more willing to engage in hard bartering when the dust settles on this signing period." --Uh....cream? Try more like curdled milk. Each one of those guys will get a contract the offering team will seriously regret in two years. LUCIC is probably the only guy who could give on the return he'll get...and that's only marginally.

tdchi


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:13 am EST

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr ..... According to #Oilers upper management source #Habs turned down offer on the table Hall+2016 EDM 1st for Subban. Bergevin wanted Drasaitl.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:11 am EST

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr ..... On Duchene/Landeskog rumors: hearing #Avs aren't shopping them but listening to offers. Looking to get better on defense (cont 1/2)..... However being told that Landeskog "highly unlikely" to go.. Most likely IF someone goes it would be Duchene. #Avs (2/2)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 5:00 am EST

General Fanager ‏@generalfanager ..... CONFIRMED: #Preds will not honour PK Subban's NMC. It was their choice since clause not in effect at time of trade.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 4:51 am EST

B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof..... NHL source: #isles had offer in for Taylor Hall: “Isles had the better offer on table for Hall. They (Oilers) just liked Larrsson” #oilers

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:26 am EST

TDCHI - But, seriously, if there are that many forwards on 1 college team better, this is not a player that is a shoo-in for the NHL...But, I hope he does make it..I just think it will take time if he does and that the Rangers shouldn't hold back on signing a good NHL player so that he can play when he isn't ready....Just not a fan of Hrfak's game...I hear ya about open spots, Im already counting on a spot for somebody like Jensen so ghere can be your competition....And maybe another one if BUCH is compleltley ready.....But I want no part of playing kids just because they're kids and if I can get some good NHLv alue for the bottom two lines, I'm all for it

Hospo


Fri Jul 1 2016 12:20 am EST

Hospo - I don't profess to know what NIEVES' ceiling is, nor would I attempt to say he's ready for the NHL...pretty sure he'll need at least a few months in Hartford...but his position and production in Michigan was significantly impacted by the level of talent that program has seen over the past couple years...two years ago, they had a young centerman named LARKIN who took over the first line center's spot...then another kid...Tyler MOTTE...edged into the second line spot, so he essentially got bumped to third line...and if I'm not mistaken, he was also injured that year for a spell...last year, Motte emerged as top-line center...Nieves fell nicely into the second line center's role...but the Wolverines had such a powerhouse top line, the really overshadowed everything Nieves did. COMPHER and CONNOR are both sure-fire NHLers, as is MOTTE. All three could be top-six players in this league...possibly better...so while he certainly didn't make a case for future stardom, Nieves managed to stay in or around the top six in a program that has been churning out some real talent lately...and not to sound like a broken record about it, but the Pack certainly didn't take long to throw him into the mix...I think it'd be wise of the Rangers to have at least two spots on the roster not etched in stone so that guys like Nieves and HRIVIK and JENSEN have something to shoot for...OAN...One of the observers from camp said TAMBELLINI came to play in top condition...didn't even break a sweat through the first day's drills. Something to keep an eye on. If that kid can get the rest of his game together, he'll be a good NHLer.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:57 pm EST

E - Hey, I'm not judging him on this year yet...but I think he did a poor job last year and I think he made a poor non-decison in not canning AV....Plenty of time to straiten the ship but, make no mistake, it indeed needs straightening...and inactivity/inabilty to deal won't fly just as poor tradings/signing won't ...Again, it's all in his unsteady hands

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:54 pm EST

Gryba? My only memory of him is putting Dom Moore on his ass. Seemed pretty physical to me.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:52 pm EST

HOSPO: clearly the honeymoon is over with Groton. I'm kinda holding my judgement for now. I'm interested to see what happens next. but I'm not sounding a air raid siren yet.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:49 pm EST

WILDCARD - Good for you, think what you want...The guy is a lazy head case...They misused him last year..I'm just speculating as our you...He's better off lesewhere..........As for NIEVES and HRVAK sucking , you know I exaggerate a bit,,,but I saw enough of bith ast year to know they are not NHL forwards right no..Simple as that..Nieves wasn't even one of the top five forwards at Michigan when i watched! He needs time and size...HRVAK, I admit, is responsible and smart, but that's where it ends..A black ace at the most..Just an opinion based on what I saw.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:43 pm EST

WILDCARD - Time will tell..So far GORTON has SUCKED....Did ZERO to improve the team last year.His Hags-Etem trade blew,,,,The Talbot trade was arguably a loser...I'll give him STALBERG..but.Jaret Stool was a bust and his siging impacted the entire 4th line, especilly Moore....The one trade Gorton made during the season for STAAL was a DISASTER....And he decided to keep a coach who was utterly clueless last year and who had no chemistry with his team..So, pardon me if I think he looks overmatched so far.......What happens the rest of the summer, either by inactivity or activity, willl be more telling...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:39 pm EST

Also I don't think they are trying to make Hayes happy....I thought no they want him to be here as part of the reason the other kid would sign with the Rangers instead of someplace else. Also, he had a back sophomore season.....that's kind of normal....if he starts this season out poorly and doesn't step it up and start looking better than trade him. But it's a bit early to proclaim what he is or isn't.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:37 pm EST

HOSPO: you call a guy out for because he "sucks" when all he has had is 8 pro games in which he had 5 points. I don't think Neives will make the team....but how the hell can you say he sucks after 8 pro games? And before that in an good NCAA program he was .80 ppg plus player. Again you go with the idea that young players suck and are no good. It's your fallback position.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:33 pm EST

HOSPO: not outmatched. Not at all. An outmatched GM gives up Hall for Larson one for one. Or Suban for Weber. If Gorton was outmatched Stepan would have been traded for a 2nd and a 3rd while retaining salary. I think the issue is other GMs want to give nothing and get something. I am happy that he hasn't given in and gotten bad value in a trade. It's amazing that this wall erupted about so many Sather trades that were lopsided against the Rangers but now want a trade to happen with no regard for what the returns offered may be. From the sounds of it Gorton has gone after big time trades but couldn't get things worked in the Rangers favor so didn't pull the trigger. That's a good thing people. A very good thing.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:52 pm EST

Despite knowing these things take time, I think there will be serious venting on the Wall tomorrow..and am getting the feeling we have a seriousy outmatched guy in the GM seat

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:48 pm EST

At least Brooks had some new Material....First I read about this thing name Eric GRYBA..Also , although I assumed MOORE was gone, firstt time I read...Also, tht was news about STALBERG pricing himslef out.....But here are the parts that got me....."While the team has holes to fill, it would be folly to load up with veteran free-agent signings that likely would lock out younger people such as Marek Hrivik (or even Boo Nieves) from a legitimate shot at making the club..."...You're kidding me right? Locking out HRIVAK and NIEVES....These guys SUCK NOW..have no chance of being an NHL forward this year..........And this nugget..."Vesey, by the way, is a close friend of Kevin Hayes, which may be one of the reasons the Blueshirts have not dangled No. 13 around the league following an almost impossibly disappointing sophomore season."..I kniw nothung about VESEY but the fact alone that he is a friend of Hayes rules him out for me...As for Hayes, the Rangers should be doing everything to get rid of this waste head rather then trying to coddle the prick and make him happy..The good needs to freakin grow up..Hopefully esewhwere...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:40 pm EST

Come on Gorton, break the seal.

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:36 pm EST

No fireworks yet probably next weeks leftovers ... Not enough cap $ without some trades ...fishboy helped make this mess ... Now he has to fix it ...without insulting the real mastermind of it all ... Glennie genius ...

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:31 pm EST

Gorther is turning out to be whimper of a GM....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:26 pm EST

And the clock keeps ticking....will Gorther finally stop sitting on his hands tomorrow and do something? Anything? Nothing? All 3 are distinct possibilities.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:26 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/30/rangers-dip-into-free-agency-may-start-with-whimper-not-bang/

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:03 pm EST

TDCHI - Hell,they can just make up something..:) give us some hope..soem excitement.......Even if taking it slow might be the only way o go, it makes for a bummer or cantankerous day on the WALL... ...Love to know who and what the Rangers were offering for the #4 pick.....It may indeed show that their is a wiingness to take a step back

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:55 pm EST

Hospo - I know...and us poor schlubs sit here and do the same thing...and reach the same conclusions for free ;)

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:48 pm EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/don-t-expect-fireworks-from-rangers-when-free-agency-begins-friday-1.11991391....And ZIPAY gets paid for this shit? Rarely read the guy but did so just now...A total regurigtated and old articel..Everything everybody knows already or has specuated..Same names..Zero insight or anything new..or even anything novel opiionwise..Pire, Vanek, Mcgi=uin, Helm yadda yadda.Duchense or Naheim ...I hope Gorton turns out to be an outside of the box thinker becasue that is what is required with the Ragers kind of boxed in...MAKE THINGS HAPPEN GORDO...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:43 pm EST

Rhet0ric - either way, mentioning the guy in the same sentence as LEETCH is sacrilegious, IMO...re: the fourth round pick: I bet the Oil were ready to pull the trigger right up until they heard DUBOIS inexplicably drafted third overall. Wouldn't surprise me if the Rangers were targeting TKACHUK.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:39 pm EST

I remember PIRRI back when he played for RPI...always liked they guy's game...wanted the Rangers to grab him when he was being offered up by the Hawks many moons ago...if I recall, they even passed him through waivers...and then a 20-goal scorer traded for a sixth rounder? Something just doesn't add up about the guy. From what I understand, he's not exactly a speed demon. But the guy has offensive skills, that's for sure. My reservation though is: How well would he do on third or fourth line? I don't remember him being a great defensive forward...and really then is he worth it? I think there are better fits for the Rangers...namely KORPIKOSKI and GRABNER...CONNOLLY too..or a return of STALBERG... But then again, wouldn't be disappointed if he signs here.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:37 pm EST

According to Larry Brooks, the Rangers "tried hard" to get the fourth overall selection in last Friday's draft from the Oilers. (NY Post) Brooks says though that the Rangers "could not make it work." (NY Post) Jeff Gorton said after the draft that the Rangers tried to move into the first round and said "I would say that it was close but obviously it didn't happen. We tried to do some things, we thought it was close. It didn't go the way we wanted to but at the same time we weren't going to be forced into a deal that doesn't make sense."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:29 pm EST

No one ever said Yandle was as good as Brian Leetch. EVER. He's the best Offensive defenseman we've had SINCE Brian Leetch. Huge difference. It also tells you how long it's been since we've had a legit offensive defenseman.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:08 pm EST

I would welcome Duchene to the Rangers. If Colorado has leadership problems, take a look at the idiot coach who was a great player but a complete failure as NHL coach. Their captain is nothing special either. Duchene would immediately be the most talented forward on the club.

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:08 pm EST

E- Maybe my language was a little harsh...I don't hate YANDLE...I just wouldn't ever use the guy in the same sentence as Brian LEETCH. One is a very good offensive player who can't play a lick of defense. The other was an incredible defenseman...at his very BEST, Yandle was a passable blueliner. Average. Were it not for his on-ice vision, passing ability and shot, which, BTW, is incredible, he'd struggle to make third pairing. He's an adventure on D...always has been...always will be. There was a reason the guy never got a sniff at the US Olympic squad in either 2010 or 2014 despite putting up some pretty incredible offensive numbers between those games...there was also a reason a guy who was on pace to score his third 50-plus point season in four years...the fourth only falling short because of the lockout...was basically given away for a decent prospect, a second round pick and what was all but assured to be a later first round pick...He puts up numbers like KARLSSON, WEBER and SUBBAN, but couldn't even dream of playing the position like those three...I will say this about Yandle though: Had circumstances been different, I would have welcomed him on the team...but for him to have been effective and not a liability on this team, the Rangers would have needed to move STAAL so that he could get second line minutes and then paired him with an absolute BEDROCK on the right side...and when I say bedrock, I mean someone better than KLEIN. The guy is a human turnover machine. And that's because his game is always high-risk, high-reward. So often he goes for the million-dollar play when really the ten dollar special would do...Now my frustration over him was that this guy would make passes from the opposing blueline that no forward could catch and turn over the puck ROUTINELY when he'd have a clear shot at the net...always pass...I'm amazed the guy had as many goals as he did as a Ranger(10...7 during a season and a half and three in 24 playoff games)...I seriously think half of those were intended as passes that accidentally made their way in...this is despite the guy having an absolute cannon of shot...Now his contract with Florida? Nope...don't regret not having that albatross one bit...he's gonna make Florida fans happy for a few until they realize the only defender that can play along side of him is EKBLAD...and when Ek's numbers start to dip...his 15-plus goals get cut in half...suddenly the realization of paying $6.35 million for a 40-to-50 point fourth forward is going to sink in....Good riddance. I don't care what kind of offense he brought to the Rangers...the fact remains, he was on the ice for 47 goals-for and 51 goals-against. I'll take losing those 47 goals as long as his replacement...apparently HOLDEN...can make sure those other 51 tallies don't go in.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:06 pm EST

What is Pysie and Marcel Hossa doing these days? Lol

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:04 pm EST

Yandle deal would be good for about 2 years but he was getting a 7 year deal so....no thanks. Can't wait for the next lockout so we get another round of amnesty buyouts. :^p

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:04 pm EST

So the 4th line is looking like Glass-Moore-Paille again? Or maybe Stool instead of Moore?

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:59 pm EST

They should've traded Nash, took back a little salary, and not care what they get back, just to give that money to Yandle. Every time Yandle is on the ice, he is a threat, Nash....is not.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:51 pm EST

E I dont understand the hate on Yandle either. He was a good offensive dman. He was a -4 this year, but really showed his true colors when he got more ice time and was covering for the injured Ryan. He improved the PP and was a decent all around guy. I dont understand, but to each his own.

WIOSA


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:51 pm EST

When exactly is the UFA period open? At midnight or sometime tomorrow morning? Slats can't stay up past 8 anymore and needs to sleep in till late morning so he will probably miss most of the early action. Par for the course so to speak?

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:48 pm EST

I bet tomorrow morning the NYR will announce a couple of trades right before they start spending. My bet is Brassard, Hayes, Kreider, and Staal are all gone.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:47 pm EST

These salaries are getting out of hand. With the average player salaries growing at a much faster rate than the Cap, there certainly will be quite a few second tier vets without a job soon. Teams will be all big contracts on the few top players then all rookies and AHL fodder. So awesome. The 'Bettman Cap'. Bad for everyone. Especially us fans. Woohooo! I am betting right now the next Buttman lockout will be a nasty and long one. This league needs to go to a different system. The friggin NFL seems to do pretty well...hum why not model the NHL system after that? Oh, I forgot the poor players need guaranteed contracts! Well boo fucking hoo! Welcome to the real world where nothing is guaranteed except...

NYStranger


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:44 pm EST

Elliotte FriedmanVerified account ‏@FriedgeHNIC.... Rumbling: FLA preparing eight-year, $60M-ish extension for Aaron Ekblad. He can sign any time after July 1. Team and agent decline comment.... Per Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 .... Per source: #Panthers sign Aaron Ekblad to 8-yr deal w/$7.5 AAV

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:42 pm EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 ..... I'm listening to @TonyMarinaro's monologue on P.K. Subban and I believe him he was told everything he claims he was told. (Cont.) .... Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 14m14 minutes ago I'm listening to @TonyMarinaro's monologue on P.K. Subban and I believe him he was told everything he claims he was told. (Cont.) .... I was also told that Max Pacioretty made a point to turn teammates against PK Subban. I'm told he told them, "he thinks he's bigger than us" ..... The way I see it, everything @TonyMarinaro was told about P.K. Subban was direct result of Max Pacioretty agenda against PK.... PK Subban wasn't problem in #Habs dressing room; collective jealousy & insecurity was.... Weber will be great player for #Habs but no one can or ever be what PK Subban was to the connection #Habs had to community..... Pacioretty & #Habs can deny all they want, but P.K. Subban did everything he was supposed to and more. They didn't! ....Here's @TonyMarinaro take on P.K. Subban trade: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/marinaro-why-pk-subban-was-traded-1.518373 …

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:26 pm EST

The Yandle hate goes way over my head. Exactly what did people want from him???

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:20 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ..... As I speculated on @OverDrive1050 tonight, Jared Cowen has not been bought out by TOR in the 1st buyout window, which is now closed.... Both TOR brass/Cowen's rep refused comment on status. Belief is Cowen's medical status is in question. Injured player can't be bought out.... It's believed NHLPA is now involved. This may well be subject of grievance arbitration but details scarce as both sides refuse to comment.... When Cowen arrived from OTT in trade, he was shut down from active duty due to hip-related issues. So, for now, no buyout on Cowen.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:10 pm EST

JAMES G on JUNE 30, 2016 6:54 PM NHL radio had a report that the Lucic deal from Edmonton is in the ballpark of 7 years 42 million. If that’s true that’s the worst thing I’ve ever hesrd - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/29/as-nhl-activity-explodes-rangers-ryan-graves-looks-to-take-his-shot/#sthash.FzysrsA0.w71bAvzS.dpuf

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:52 pm EST

jk: Issue is with Duchene on the ice the other team will score more than he will over the season, and that would be a step back

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:48 pm EST

I would also be okay with us signing Brandon Pirri tomorrow..... Per Blueshirt Bulletin ‏@NYRBlueBulletin .... Been pretty tight lipped but know #NYR inquired on Stamkos and spoke with Edmonton. Not sure about specifics

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:41 pm EST

WILDCARD, Duchene may not be a character guy, but guess who is...Glass, Staal, Girardi, Moore...I want points. You can mix in a few of these guys with some good and you can win. Character and skill are not the same thing. I'll take Duchene on the Rangers any day.

jkropp


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:34 pm EST

Yup. No one can officially sign until 12:PM tomorrow afternoon. ....Wild.... Who do you like for us?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:19 pm EST

Higgy: No one has signed anyplace yet form the UFA pool...unless of course its back with their original team....but all we have is rumors, and those are not always right.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:17 pm EST

Since Nielsen signed in Detroit, Brouwer and Erikkson to Vancouver, Backes is really our only option. Wont be much to look for tomorrow except for, hopefully, a few trades. Hopefully Helm signs here as well. If Stalberg goes, maybe sign Versteeg, and give Connelly, and Patrick Eaves a look.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:16 pm EST

Rhet: Lots of GMs would not want anything to do with Duchene. He has 7 years in the NHL and has yet to figure out how to be pro....and doesn't know how to win. Not the kind of guy I would be happy to see added to the Rangers. The top 6 would get WORSE without the puck, would give up more goals against than it has, and the offensive output would not overcome it. A step backwards IMHO

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:15 pm EST

RHET - I could see all those players....but if it's Duchene and one of Brass/Step, or the same Brass/Step as we had...we need to get another C where Hayes just doesn't cut it and/or not what we need..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:12 pm EST

fishboy is searching.....http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=fish+finder&v_t=aolbrowser-hyplogusaolc00000002

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:11 pm EST

Evets.... Next season. He's slated to play one more year in Sweden and reportedly wants to be here(North America) for next season. He is the guy we were saying was Hagelin but with better hands :) He'll be 20 in November,

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:05 pm EST

Hospo.... It's kind of hard to tell the direction we're going in now. With Stamkos out there you could see a goal, but now? We supposedly want to get younger and better. I've read the NYR's covet(have coveted) Matt Duchene (who wouldn't?) I could live with that if it cost us extra. I would also kick the tires on Justin Schultz. Right Shot defensemen don't grow on trees and he'd only cost us money. Worth a look. I think the only way we sign Vanek is if we deal Nash. It would help to take some of the pressure off Buchnevich in his rookie season. Stalberg and Martin would also be nice. JMO of course.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:52 pm EST

It seems that Robin Kovacs is really standing out at the Rangers prospect camp. I wonder if he may have an outside chance of making the team out of training camp.

evets1980


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:49 pm EST

Yandle is already my least favorite Ranger since probably Nedved. What's done is done, I'm so glad he is gone. ... and please be real, he is not in the same stratosphere as Leetch, could carry his jock.

hipcheck


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:43 pm EST

RHET - The three pieces are One of Step/BRASS, Nash, and Staal..maybe 1 or 2 others get added in....Or maybe the prices and end results won't be right...all up to Gorton

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 6:18 pm EST

The Hockey Press® ‏@TheHockeyPress...... #NHL RUMORS:..... • NY Rangers have received interest in Brassard & Stepan. Hearing one of them will move this offseason.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:29 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/rangers-blue-line-keith-yandle-calls-in-and-what-will-the-rangers-do/187139788

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:24 pm EST

Ola - You're right to crow about STRALMAN...but YANDLE? Did you watch the Rangers last season? Good riddance. For every point he scored, he was on the ice for another. I want to barf every time I hear someone bring up LEETCH in the same sentence. Leetch wasn't an incredible defensive defensemen, but he knew the position...he also knew how to do something Yandle apparently forgot how to do when he came to the Rangers, which is shoot the puck. The Rangers had offense before Yandle and they'll have it after him as well. Sucks we got very little for him. Sucks we gave up our 20th pick...sucks we couldn't have gotten something better for Duke...but crying over Yandle? Please now. The guy helped the offense but was a liability on the left. Glad he's gone.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:21 pm EST

Ola I was for keeping yandle and moving whomever to make cap space but this gm and coach know better, and it shows ..... Not ....especially since they gave up a ransom to get him... Now call it a retool... I'd rather have seen hall and yandle than mcd and whomever including Nash .

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 5:05 pm EST

Lol Dumba will be pricy??? Everyone in the hockey world knows PMDs are pricy, but people around this team. Gorton is behind letting both Stralman and Yandle walk and the media is applauding him for it. Every so called expert where tearing Yandle apart from day 1. Well good luck, let's see how much we score next season without a PMD in sight. But sure, Yandle and Stralman just sucked and it was just a coincidence that we all of a sudden after being bottom 5 in the league in scoring started to score when we got some PMDs on the roster. But he media guys like Brooks, Carp, Zipay and co will all share the same sentiment of guys like Vic and co, you don't need PMDs in today's game. Puck possession hockey doesn't matter, it's all about blocking shots. We just dumped the only PMD we had since Leetch, name a single reporter that even have mentioned it!? Sometimes I think this team gets what it deserves, when will we win another cup? In 2035?

Ola


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:57 pm EST

Then go easy on yourself! You're allowed to be wrong...:)

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:55 pm EST

Hospo. Guess what? RangerLand includes me dude.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:54 pm EST

As for hope and faith, as i said, some can hope and think the best, others have a hard time...I'm one...especially when the last 4 moves have been the Staal trade, the Stool signing, the Hags/Etem trade, and the Talbot trade.

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:51 pm EST

MF - I followed that quickly with a mea culpa realizing i had done the same thing.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:50 pm EST

I don't know who i would rather have, Gorton or Chiarelli? At least Chiarelli does something. Gorton seems to forget this team had no heart in most of that Pittsburgh series.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:38 pm EST

So that gun remark earlier was to shoot the proverbial shit? RFC = Ranger Fan Church... Gotta have some hope & faith.....

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:32 pm EST

RF4L - C'mon, Chill out... few can be as all knowing as you but .Instead of mocking posters (Rangerland = RFC posters, right?) and generalizing, stick to specific posts...Yeah some people were talking about getting a high draft pick, but it seemed more like hope to me.....And yeah. some are trying to rationalize why Gorton hasn't made moves yet with a few different reason like the logical "other teams are too focused on FA to do the trade thing yet".....Hey. it's a time when nobody knows what's going on...Some assume the worst..others the best....None of us are in controllll or know..Just people shooting the proverbial shit....We will all see soon enough..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:20 pm EST

Nash and the Rangers eat $2,000,000 for Mantha and another top prospect. Do it Gorther. DO IT! Maybe the Wings are calling but Gorther's hands are too numb from sitting on them and he can't answer the phone!!!

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:18 pm EST

BTW, totally agree that Nash would draw interest from several teams. If Gorther eats $3,000,000 to $4,000,000 of his salary.....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:17 pm EST

Pretty funny - last week at this time RangerLand was abuzz with the upcoming draft and how Gorther had a bunch of irons in the fire that would land a high pick or 2 and begin the refacing of the team. The weekend came and went and all that Gorther accomplished was landing the latest player who will keep McI in the pressbox. But, RangerLand then decided the inactivity was because Gorther was waiting for the arrival of Steven Stamkos. Gorther's billion plans all would fall into place once Stamkos was on board. Then came 4PM yesterday and BANG, that big plan evaporated. Now what? What is the next big focal point for RangerLand?? Vesey??

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:10 pm EST

HOSPO: If Dumba was on the way? What a great moment that would be for me. I love that kid. But puck moving defenseman are gonna be very pricey. Especially ones that have that amount of upside. He has the ability to become one of the top-10 defenseman in the NHL. Not just very good.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:07 pm EST

RD: I read that but I take it with a little grain of salt. Hayes didn't want to play for Chicago because he felt he was ready for big minutes in the NHL and he was buried in Chicago and would have to work his way up. Yet, he signed with a team with two entrenched centers and never did enough at pivot to bump one of them. Or at least yet... So, Vesey is gonna want to go somewhere where A. He's gonna get the money and B. where he thinks he has opportunity to play. C. A franchise that he wants to play in. I mean, you're a UFA with absolutely no limitations and you WILL have a bunch of teams probably offering similar dollars. So, you're likely gonna get the cake and eat it too. Nice place to be for him. Basically, all the perks of being where you want without having to do any of the time to get there. You can make your dream come true. I'm a New York Rangers fan. How awesome would it be if I had my choice of where to go and they came knocking? Thats a dream that every fan of every team wants. A chance to put on your teams jersey. Or at least having that option. I don't know where Vesey is gonna go. I think he is being smart. He is looking at teams and waiting for them to finish their UFA mode so they can start making him their pitch.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:07 pm EST

GORTON, we're dying here...Sign us a Stool or Trade for Dumba..Give us something real to talk about..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:54 pm EST

E: Totally agree, however everything I've read suggests Vesey wants a top 6 spot. At least that's what Nashville offered them and he still turned them down

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:53 pm EST

Bob: totally disagree. The only things that are hampering NASH being traded is 1. his contract; and 2. the absolutely dreadful season he had last year. I agree to an extent with mf that his injury may have thrown his season off a bit...but the two things that are holding Nash back now are his age and Nash himself. Never been a clutch player. Always been an opportunistic scorer...rides shotgun. All the chatter is that teams are very interested in him...but they're not willing to pony up what Gorton wants, which is likely someone who will replace Nash who is younger and without the type of contract he carries....there was a rumor kicking around that Detroit has turned their eyes to Nash...the name mentioned was Anthony MANTHA...I'd do that deal in a heartbeat...but the Rangers? Maybe not so much...Nash is a known commodity. Mantha isn't. Gorton looking to improve, not roll the dice.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:52 pm EST

RDW: I don't know where Vesey is but I think you have to start thinking in terms of top-9. Your third line is also a scoring line nowadays and coming from a college program to a third line is a huge leap in and of itself. But to the top-6 and all the ice time that comes with it?

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:48 pm EST

BOB: I don't think so re: Nash. He has definitely lost Id say a lot of the physical component that he had when he was younger but so do a lot of guys in their 30's. He has been symptom free for 2 years already. I just think he is older. But, he has tons of value in the league. He is very attractive. Whats not attractive is the contract. Thats pretty toxic but if they can get the New York Rangers to eat a good amount? You'll get a nice return on him. Better then you'd expect.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:48 pm EST

TD: You're probably right. At this point I feel like all we are going to have to look forward to next season is Buch, and he's a huge question mark. Hate to see them try to force him into the lineup and have it backfire. Other than trades, and we haven't heard much, I don't see us being able to do anything aside from bringing in a Weise, Martin, Grabner type to help with the 3rd/4th line.

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:46 pm EST

Nash has turned into a two way third line 15-20 goal scorer who makes 8 mil I don't care what brought him there that's what he is and that is ridiculous. Trading this guy is not going to be easy and salary will have to be eaten. He will not bring back the ransom that was traded to obtain him and that is what will hurt the most what is the going rate for a. 8 mil a year 15 goal back checker maybe a prospect and a second rounder.

York18


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:43 pm EST

RDW: Conventional wisdom is that he's going to sign with the Sabres. The story is/was that he was in a tournament over the summer with EICHEL and that he convinced him that the Sabres are going to be a force next season and for years to come...and I think he's right...Vesey's agent(and I've heard Vesey himself) are sticking by the line that they're still listening to offers and he's going to at least wait until Aug. 15...And given that he hasn't signed, I wouldn't doubt it. So there's a chance...maybe a one in a million chance...but to quote Lloyd Christmas: "SO YOU'RE SAYIN' THERE'S A CHANCE..."

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:27 pm EST

Nash has withdrawn since the concussions. There is really no doubt about it. And every NHL team knows it. He is going to be very difficult to trade as a result.

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:27 pm EST

Nash has withdrawn since the concussions. There is really no doubt about it. And every NHL team knows it. He is going to be very difficult to trade as a result.

Bob


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:27 pm EST

Anyone hearing anything on Vesey? Not really seeing how we can land him as I don't see him fitting in the top 6 here and I think that's what he's looking for

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:19 pm EST

Reviewing NASH's production last season: he had 33 points up until that "bone bruise" on January 22..... That wasn't a bad pace..... Then when he came back he had 3 more points regular season , & 4 pts (2g's, 2a's) vs Pitt in the PO's........http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2288#

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 3:07 pm EST

TD: Agreed that we won't agree and it's not that simple - that head injury was a reminder to Nash of the 3 he'd suffered from previously, the 3rd one being relatively innocent yet put him in the dark room treatment space. I stand by my belief on this. And for the record, I'm not really defending him - he's making too much money to score and since that injury, hasn't score much because his game has changed and clearly, he's got no intention of altering that. He's another albatross contract for Gorther to wrestle with. Girardi's might the worse. The King's is lurking around the corner (unless his pride is large enough that he elects to retire vs suck while being paid a King's ransom) and I fear in a couple of years the Stepan deal won't be anything anyone would boast about, either. I will say this: If Gorther is able to shed Girardi's salary without a penalty of some kind I will be very impressed - I put Girardi's contract on the top of the dungheap pile, easily surpassing Nash's.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:56 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/boston-locks-down-torey-krug-for-four-years-and-21-million/

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:53 pm EST

RF - We're never going to see eye-to-eye on this so I won't bore the wall with a protracted discussion...suffice to say, I more believe in the existence of Puff the Magic Dragon and a land called Honnah Lee than the theory that a scrum with Bogo caused the precipitous decline of Nash last season. You're the only guy I've heard speculate that...and maybe the few here who agree. There is some Ranger fanboy that went through a whole complex explanation of why Nash wasn't nearly as bad as his stats(and detractors like me) suggest. And I believe him more than I do this business that his career is being cut short by concussions...nevertheless, I'm not convinced the Rangers will trade him...and if it's going to happen, it'll happen now IMO, not next season or the summer after. When it NEEDED to happen was last goddamn year, when the guy had 40 goals. Want to bang on Gorton or Sather? That was the big mistake last year. Maybe even worse so than the YANDLE and STAAL deals.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:38 pm EST

From "The Banned - Deeto" ... (you folks should be able to figure that out) ... https://twitter.com/Starr690/status/748252497245048834

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:34 pm EST

RF: Isn't the cap hit significantly reduced by the time February rolls around? That leaves the acquiring team just 1 year of $7.8 mill of cap hit

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:29 pm EST

mf: Trying to trade a $7,800,000 contract at the deadline is basically impossible, unless you're willing to eat a chunk of it. If Nash is leaving NY it's either this summer or next, IMO (or the summer of 18 when he's an UFA).

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:27 pm EST

TD: Sorry, totally disagree. Yes, he'll take the puck to the net - from 10 feet out with no speed. Look at a bunch of his goals when he scored 40 a couple of years back. He started with the puck either outside the blueline or very high up in the offensive zone and by the time he got to the net, he was in full flight on many of them and often went around defenders as he did so. He doesn't do that now. If he comes over the blueline with the puck and there's a defender in front he inevitably shoots the puck from far out rather than pick up speed and challenge the defender. That's not the only way he scored but it certainly helped open the ice up for him - when a defender is concerned a guy with his puck handling skills may suddenly fly around him, they naturally back-off giving him more room to do things and also allow him to get closer to the net. It just makes him a far more dangerous scorer overall. With that removed from his weaponry no wonder he isn't scoring like he did (and can).

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:22 pm EST

I am so sorry guys - I know twitter is blocked many places so I was trying to relay what I read - the rumor now maybe Colorado and Buffalo working on a deal....The 3-way I didn't get any names. Barrie and Landeskong was the only ones that were posted by several speculative tweets,

DREW


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:21 pm EST

TD: I'm all for keeping Nash at least until this seasons trade deadline...... Unfortunately, we don't hear the traffic on the phone lines....... I'm also ready to keep our D intact: McD/Staal/Skjei/--Klein/Girardi/McIlrath....... but come end of season, we can only protect 3 D men..................

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:19 pm EST

Keep fishing fishboy tomorrow is your big day

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:18 pm EST

mf/RF4L - Gah...we still going on about NASH and his poor dome? The guy had no problem going to the net. He just couldn't put the puck into it. Guy is getting older and his hands aren't what they used to be. Can't maneuver through traffic like he once was able to do..doesn't mean he avoids it. In fact, there were a bunch of times he tried to carry the puck through a defender when he probably should have either dished it or taken a quick shot.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:15 pm EST

THE """TRADE-ER-RATOR-SPIN CYCLE TAKES NO PRISONERS!""" ......... ALL WILL BE DRAWN IN, EVEN ... "The Puke of York!!!! ............... BaBaM!

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:15 pm EST

RF4L - I don't think we are totally devoid of offensive talent up front....ANyway, deosn't matter what we think, We'll see what Gorton is thinking...or IF he's thinking...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:06 pm EST

Hospo: True but I maintain you still have to have some top end talent who can generate offense. We all know the big 3 in Pittsburgh but until they were shut down in the finals, SJ was quite impressive offensively - scoring came from 2 lines plus Brent Burns.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:00 pm EST

SuperFly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmo6MRYf5g

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:00 pm EST

Maybe Gorton has the mentality of 'we lost to the Stanley Cup Champions'. We'll get em next year.

Higgy21


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:57 pm EST

or maybe Gorton is lowballing them? Never know..Sather used to..and it worked for him

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:57 pm EST

Aves, Oil and the Jets? 2 of those teams need defense...interesting.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:56 pm EST

So Scott Burnside of ESPN expects the Rangers to be Big Buyers in the FA period...Huh? How? Only way they can be big Buyers is if they are big traders..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:55 pm EST

A 3-way deal, who woulda thunk?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:55 pm EST

Hospo - one can hope. I really wish I could be a fly on the wall to see what teams are offering up for our players. They must really be low balling Gorther.

DREW


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:54 pm EST

DREW - cool, maybe Gorton is working on a trade with the Johnstown Chiefs ant the Macon Whoopies...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:52 pm EST

WILD - Again, no it doesnt,, it needs to be the top 9 forwards first (not for scoring, for all around game), atop 4 RHS D-man, PK and role players..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:50 pm EST

There have been at least 2 tweets that have claimed that the Avs are working on a 3-way trade with the Oilers and the Jets.

DREW


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:50 pm EST

RF4L - Not saying we don't need a top scorer (NASH in his best/prime would be nice!) but the game has also shanged to quickness and possession..I'll take a little bit of both!

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:49 pm EST

mf: re: LANDESKOG bus: Everyone in the Rangers' front office. Problem is, the bus belongs to the Avalanche who aren't about to hand over the keys. Regarding the STAALS...like I said, take that rumor with a salt-mine sized grain of salt. The speculation arose from the rumor Eric is looking at Ottawa, which has TURRIS, ZIBANEJAD and PAGEAU down the middle...and the assumption Staal would want to play the middle in the top two...so the suggest is maybe they would move Zibs for many of the same reasons we would move McD or STEPAN: To get a nice haul that would improve the team greatly in other areas. Sens also have :LAZAR coming up through the ranks...Logan BROWN just drafted...also DAHLEN'S kid...all centers...Truth is, who knows? But Zibanejad would assuredly cost the Rangers someone like McD...maybe even one-for-one....so unless NASH is getting moved...for someone like, say...THEODORE...that's a non-starter. But I suppose if those deals went down, you could then wheel around and deal Step or Brassard for help on the wing...or try to sign OKPOSO.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:48 pm EST

HOSPO: but that's not top 6 scoring. I agree that changes are needed. But if your going to prioritize moves and using assets it's needs to be the D, the bottom 6 and PK (usually the bottom 6 run a lot of PK time) than the top 6. To attack the top 6 issues first will leave the bigger weaknesses unresolved and the same issues will still exist. I'm not at all saying changes to the top 6 are not needed, only that the order of what to fix doesn't start there.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:48 pm EST

mf: Agree with you on Nash's issue - it all came rushing home for him 2 years ago when Bogasian pummelled him in the Sabre crease and of course, no Ranger responded. He remains a dangerous scorer and therefore, does dhraw checking assignments from the opposition. I am not defending his contract - it's ridiculous given overall offensive output but he remains the most skilled Ranger forward and like it or not, if he's jettisoned without a subsequent top 6 winger replacement, he will be missed.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:43 pm EST

TONS AND TONS of noise around the AVS right now

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:43 pm EST

Hospo: Yes and that was their MO for 2 years prior to last year. But as the POs goes deeper, the opposition gets better and the team's lack of legitimate top 6 offensive skill ends up being their downfall. Remember 2 years? Shutout twice at home, including game 7, against the Bolts. People, I think, are forgetting this because they are focusing on last year's issues, which actually made their offensive shortcomings meaningless.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:40 pm EST

Love this little guy...know it's prospect camp...know he's a longshot to ever pull on a Ranger sweater...but I still REALLY like the pick of Ty RONNING deep in the seventh round: https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/748568751113637888/photo/1

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:39 pm EST

Nash is afraid to get his "head" banged up.... It's all over his style of play...... Callz em as we seez em!

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:38 pm EST

RF4L - If they win and possess the puck more, it will help both the defense and the scoring...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:37 pm EST

WILD - Again, that's where we disagree, the top 6 (and top 9) has to change if they want to win..They were the guys that weren't playing responsoble defense, weren't intense enough were't winning or holding on to the puck...That's how the Pens won...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:36 pm EST

LANDESKOG 4 NASH? We'll eat some salary, who's driving?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:36 pm EST

Yes the Rangers need more offense, like it or not. I do concur their biggest issue last year was their shoddy and passionless play so if that's not corrected, everything we are discussing is moot. If you believe last year was an anomaly then you need to go back to the 2 previous years and guess what happened in both years? The deeper the team went into the POs, the more noticeable their lack of scoring became. It remains unaddressed IMO, unless you're willing to count of Kreider finally maturing into the scorer he should be (I'm not). I know many on here are drooling at the thought of trading away Rick Nash but doing so will only make that situation worse, even if he doesn't score much come PO time. Gorther is in a precarious situation and the longer it goes without anything of substance from him, the more worrisome things become (for me anyways) because it makes me think there's simply no deal out there that will realistically address that shortcoming. Of course, as I said at the outset of this elongated post, if the team plays this season like they did last season, it's moot.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:28 pm EST

HOSPO: yes there need to be changes up front. But focusing on goal scoring is not the right way to change things to make the team better. The D needs to be better, the bottom 6 needs to do better and the PK. I just think the top 6 can wait till last or even next offseason if needed. But to use what assets they have now to get a goal scorer would be a misuse of said assets.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:25 pm EST

RDW: there are 2-3 places I saw it just now on Twitter. The only thing is that perhaps there are two that got it from the other. But usually when things pop up like this quick there is something to it.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:23 pm EST

Wild: Where did you see that he was being shopped?

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:21 pm EST

Landeskog on the move?!? What are the AVS doing? Methinks the AVS will have a hard choice soon...they have two AVS heroes that are loved by fans...how in the world do tou fire them if they can't get that team turned around

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:19 pm EST

WILD - If they want to win, yeah, they must move players..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:18 pm EST

WILD - Yes, Pitt will be the new model this year...Again, other then Girardi, our D problems were becaause of the lack of intensity, defensive responsibility/positioning, quickeness and ability to win and possess the puck by the FORWARDS which continually had the D and the goaltenders under siege.. It's not just the D and PK that needs to be addresse..Personnel upfront AND TEM PHILOSOHY...But perhaps I'm too hard on the team

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:15 pm EST

One positive of not getting Stamkos is that the Rangers do not have a situation that they MUST move players. If a teams wants a Rangers player now they will need to think above a low ball offer.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:13 pm EST

Amazingly here and other places fans want to move McD for a forward, and want to focus on the top 6 (which has Nash, Kreider, brass, Step, Zucc, Miller) because a lack of skill and ignore the bottom 6 and PK issues as well as the issues on the back end. So there is a focus on getting stronger at the sting pout of the roster and weaker at the weak points. The Rangers were a top 10 scoring team last season, but somehow there's still this focus on "more goals more goals more goals!" It doesn't help that the Pens just won the cup, and many want to ignore that it was the best D work and goaltending they have had in the post season for years and years. They didn't just out score their opponents, they kept them from scoring. Gorton needs to focus on the D and the PK....THAN try to get the PP better and LAST work on the top 6. With a good D and PK this top 6 is plenty good enough to compete.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:10 pm EST

MINNESTOA aupposedley also interested in Eric Staal..Great sign him...and then the Rangers can trade STEPAN and ??? for DUMBA and COYLE...All we have to do is find a skilled 2nd center (hopefrully some speed) and we're mostly done..........Alright, Gorton just has to do something and throw us a bone!!!

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 1:01 pm EST

TD: begs the question: Would M.Staal waive to join Eric & would Ottawa want Marc? What other areas do they want to beef up?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:58 pm EST

Hospo: "the failed strategy of AV also has to change" says it all........... IMO, this team was primed to play a "Sullivan" style game, at least it was 2 seasons ago........... I'm preaching to the choir, but the team defense has got to improve......... Our 6 defensemen are more than adequate, especially with a well rested & healed up Dan Girardi......... Get Grabner, trade Hayes for Bozak, sign Staalberg & one more guy, trade T.Glass & if the dollars can be made to work, "Drop the Puck!"

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:57 pm EST

Take this with a giant, salt lick-sized grain of sodium chloride...but supposedly the Sens are eying Eric STAAL and could look to move ZIBANEJAD to upgrade other areas of their lineup...was some chatter on Twitter last night and if I recall, some of it was coming from a good source....I would think the cost of said center would be prohibitively expensive...and I kind of doubt they'd trade him in the conference...but he's the kind of guy I'd throw out everything but the kitchen sink to acquire.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:55 pm EST

And aagain, Rangers have ZERO leadership behind the bench and up front...Nobody to help push, steer, teach the guys that need it the most---Krieider, Miller and Hayes (BUCH os another matter)...I see no reason for them to be anything butt inconsistent again, although they all have the potential to take off.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:51 pm EST

COLBOURNE - Brittle and inconsistent..disappears in games...Faggedabout him

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:49 pm EST

TDCHI - Good point on Korpokoski and the PK, the Rangers PK indeed sucked...but mainly because it was a FAST FEST all year!....But boy do we ever disagree on the problems facing the Rangers....The 4th line was basically the best line on the team after the trade deadline when everybody else sucked and quit,,,......Yeah, Girardi sucked last year, but the main reason the GAA and SAA soared was TEAM DEFENSE and TEAM play...The first and 2nd liners refused to back check and play defense,,,They were't quick enough to win battles and keep the puck i..The other team constantly had the puck agaisnt us, constantly bearing down on the D, and that wasn't the D's fault..it was the philosphy and the forwards..We need significant changes in both personnel in the top 9 and the failed strategy of AV also has to change.....I am not worried about the D at all. as long as they pick up one mre RHS d-man that can handle and shoot the puck along with the evolution of SKEJI and, hopefully, Mcilrath (if not traded).....The forwards scare the shit out of me..And Grabners and korpikoskis on the 3rd and 4th line will do little..JMWO of course..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:45 pm EST

Colbure: What's he think he's worth?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:45 pm EST

Joe Colbure is huge.... Anyone watch him closely? As per "the hockey news," Flaws: Is extremely inconsistent in all areas of the game and still somewhat raw. Needs to utilize his size more. Must become a better player without the puck, as well as in his own end....... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6648

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:40 pm EST

RF4L - Scoring wasn't an issue for the Rangers last year...and while the STAMKOS sweepstakes would have helped on two fronts(improving strength up the middle and helping to retool the system), the top six weren't the issue last year. They actually did pretty darn good. And if KREIDER or MILLER ever reach their potential? Man...In order of needing improvement IMO: 1st - Right side D. 2. PK. 3. upgrade the bottom three. 4. Improved top six up front..Only real reason I see to mess with the top six is if you can find a taker for NASH and get something nice in return.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:39 pm EST

TD: Now find me a way to trade Hayes to Toronto for Bozak & get the dollars to work & I'm sold........ We may be able to if we trade T-Glass............ Forwards: NASH / STEP / BRASS / KREIDER / MILLER / ZUCC / BOZAK / FAST / KORP / GRABNER / BUCHKNISH / STAALBERG / LINDBERG ......Lindberg opens the season on the injured list

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:33 pm EST

The word around town at the end of the season was that Dom MOORE was done with the Rangers and possibly the NHL. Good guy and I think he still has some left in the tank...but reality is, the Rangers, aside from improving their PK and right side D, also need to drastically improve their fourth line. Part of that starts with finding a center who can out-perform Moore. Like I said before, I think that guy is COLBURNE...I'm just not sure whether he'd accept that assignment...a fourth of KORPIKOSKI-COLBURNE-GRABNER or STALBERG would be intense. Only question in my mind would be if AV has the stones to sit GLASS.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:32 pm EST

Yeah, I see the value of Korp and Grabner defensively but the same old issue (lack of top end skill on the forward lines) remains. Until/unless it's addressed, I see no hope anymore deep PO runs.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:28 pm EST

How's the VICation going?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:26 pm EST

Hospo - disagree, re: KORPIKOSKI for one reason and one reason only: The PK. If the Rangers could get him and say GRABNER for the bottom six, the speed of this team goes through the roof and you'd have a PK that would be absolutely lethal whenever there's an offensive zone turnover. I wouldn't pay either over $2 million...and suspect you could get them both for well under $4 million cap hit. But again, when we talk about the problems with the Rangers, they are acute and repairable...what caused them to slip last year was three weak defensemen...two slow-footed ones on the right and one weak one on the left...and the utter inability to pull together a PK that could work...losing YANDLE and BOYLE has already upgraded the Rangers' D...now getting a guy like Korpikoski, who is brilliant defensively and still a rocket, would go a LONG way to make Ranger fans forget about Hags. Getting him and Grabner would be a coup, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:19 pm EST

Hospo: I'm not sold on Moore either but at the very least we need a 4th center who can win some faceoff's. Who else is out there? I think the D and PK were our biggest problems last year. Between the cap and Gorther getting fleeced on trades recently I don't have much hope.

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:13 pm EST

Morning All. At least it is morning for me. With the Rangers shut out in the STAMKOS derby things look bleak. There is no plan B for significant improvement this year. It is time for GORTHER to rearrange the deck chairs. Someone please wake me when this nightmare is over....

Vic


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:06 pm EST

If Stevie Y gets a decent offer for Bishop, he'll be gone. Vasilevsky is a very good goalie and he is young and inexpensive. Bishop is not overly talented, he's just huge. His salary eats up a lot of cap space and he is injury prone. Calgary could have been a landing spot but they signed Elliott.

JFC31


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:04 pm EST

Backes...interest...

jkropp


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:04 pm EST

Signing Jason Chimera = at least he won't score against us.

RF73


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:00 pm EST

Hospo: Exactly my sentiments. If Gorther can pull off some magic, OMG, what a horrid year we're facing.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 12:00 pm EST

Hospo please, the "trad-er-rator" is in spin cycle......

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:59 am EST

Sorry MF!!! Nothing personnel.....Just don't like too many of the options I am seeing....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:54 am EST

MF - grabner, Mcgin, Stalberg and Moore? Damn, somebody find me a gun....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:52 am EST

RDW: Lindberg had surgery on both hips in May... Last I read he will miss at least a month of the season..... E: Grabner & McGinn look like a plan, & we can resign Stalberg & Dom Moore..... That actually completes the roster & GLASS STAYS! wonder if the money works?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:42 am EST

Not a Korpikoski fan, stone hands...little offense

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:41 am EST

McGinn is a guy who is also high on my list. Korpedo seemed to still have PK chops when I last saw him. You could likely grab him on the cheap. I continue to believe that defense and the bottom-6 is the area of greatest need. I'm also real high on Helm, Grabner (see the trend) but I still think there needs to be more meat and potatoes down the bench. But that PK lost a lot of games for the New York Rangers last season. Especially in the 3rd. I think the scariest PK guys who are quick enough on the first step they prevent the puck from being stretched across the points causing lower % shots from the top of the circle. That's why Grabner and Helm have feasted on PK breakaways. You play with fire with those guys. How many times did Grabner burn the New York Rangers on the odd man?

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:41 am EST

RDW - Moore looked done to me....I'd rather not....HAYES is a huge question mark with how bad he tried and played lst year...We can't go thru another season with Brass-Step-Hayes down the middle.....Would love to trade Hayes but his value has to be at rock bottom.....Riley Nash would be a good 4th C option....Lindberg's inury complicates things, wasn't it that he wouldn';t be back until a few months into the season? No centers in Hartford either...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:40 am EST

cheap.....

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:40 am EST

Korpeedo could probably be had cheep, $1-$1.5mill

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:38 am EST

KORPEEDO, sign me up..... Do the Oilers want to move "Donnes La Lunne" Ben-Wah Pouliot? Re-unite him with Brassard & Zucc, he turns 30 in Sept, signed @ $4mill for the next 3yrs..... What to Offer them though????

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:38 am EST

Buzzing around the Internet--ex Panther Brain CAMPBELL likely to the BlackHawks for a 1 year contract

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:37 am EST

I'm wondering what Gorther is looking to dude regarding our 3rd/4th line C's? Another year of Hayes? Do we bring Dom Moore back? Would like to get rid of Glass however if Big Mac isn't in the plans who do we have that can fight? Wouldn't mind bringing Moore back for a year and have him with Grabner and Stalberg. Looks like they both play left wing though. Where does Lindberg fit in?

RDW


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:36 am EST

Another one is TDCHI's favorite, JASON CHIMERA...A bit old but really still can fly..Hoenstly, had a good year last year and can play 2nd-4th line......Just mentioning.....RANGERS are in a difficult place if they want to make trades....Teams will look at the FREEBIES of UFA first then fall back to the trades,,,..Rangers might just have sign the FAs they are inteseted in, go voer th Cap, and hope they are able to make some deals....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:32 am EST

Here's a possibility, the OILERS are buying out LORI KORPOKOSKI.....He has Ranger written all over him..

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:28 am EST

no Vanek please

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:25 am EST

For the money I think the Rangers are gonna have avaialble, I think you're talking guys like Helm, Pirri, maybe on up to Boedkker, Grabner or Mcginn....maybe Weise....or taking a shot on VANEK.....All idiotic speculation.......Have ZERO clue what Gorton and his soggy bottom boy brain trust is thinking.......

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:22 am EST

RF: don't you go there, smile, it could've been worse, I could've been twins... :-) :-)

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:22 am EST

mf: OMG, it's getting worse....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:21 am EST

Teddy Purcell (RHS) & Jiri Hudler (LHS) earned $4.5mill & $4mill last season...... Jamie McGinn (LHS) earned $3mill

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:16 am EST

mf: More dregs...I'm getting more depressed by the day...next year is shaping up to be a horrid season.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:14 am EST

VRBATA is coming off a low production year as is SAM GAGNER, both are RHS & at least 3rd line talent & if either guy gets hot can move up.... Can probably get both of them for $6mill..... Problem is, both are kinda soft in the physicality dept..........

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:13 am EST

$$$$ aside Okposo and Martin (ironically) would be the 2-highest on my list but I think Martin is really this seasons Clarkson or maybe even Bickel. He's gonna get way overpaid for what he does. And Okposo despite his skill set which I love. Big body, goes to the net, skates etc... I think his stats are a little inflated as he also flanks one of the best centers in the game. I mean Crosby can make Dupuis look like a superstar. And in my observations Okposo has great chemistry with Tavares.

E


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:12 am EST

OKPOSO I think I posted this before. No thank you Brooklyn. He's 28 lifetime -60. We've had enough offensive dmen, defensive forwards, and passers up the yin yang. Scorers and Defenders please, straight up. No ice, no chaser, no water...just straight up. Just, as always MHO

WIOSA


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:10 am EST

Hospo: we have $16.725 mill if we dump Glass...... Sign & trade Hayes for Bozak (cap hit of $4.2mill) leaves us $$12.5 to sign Kreider, Miller, McIlrath ($7mill) leaves us $5.5mill, like you said, my shopping list is too long or we need to move another contract.......... refueling the trad-er-rator........

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:06 am EST

RF4L - Not really much out there for the Rangers in FA...Guys that don't fit or will be too expensive. A few decent players if Gorton is smart....But again, all depends on whether Gorton is going to be active in reshaping the team by sending out significan players, which i think he desperately needs to ..Otherwise, same ol, same old...

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 11:01 am EST

Gawd looking at these names sure doesn't give me a warm fuzzy for this year....

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:59 am EST

no no no no: we're going with Stepan, Brassard, Bozak, down the middle...... Hayes is going too...... Next we're signing Okposo & Brouwer & Grabner, & if we have to trade someone or dump another salary, Seeya Tanner Glass, we can replace him at the deadline with a like player........ "That was easy!" :-)

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:57 am EST

MF - The Free agents the Rangers can or will sign has to be at least a little dependent of if they are doing anything with the likes of Nash, Stepan, a D-man...If none of them go, they have little money, right?.......If it's just NASH which is the likely avenue, they may have room for a few dumpster dive and discount FAs like the Pirri's maybe Gtrabners and Vaneks...You would think much more will have to be shed to obtain higher tier FAs (IMWO).....But, hey, they idiotically kept AV, I hope they don't stand pat with the players, especially down the middle, and just plan for a "rebound" year and are satified with just trying to make the POs insteaad of getting better for the now or the future....

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:52 am EST

mf: Hayes might, depending on what the Leafs think of him of course. Bozak I suspect is available - Matthews and Kadri will fill the top 2 center spots in Toronto. Bozak I've talked about on here several times - he's under-rated and would be fine fit in NY, making Stepan expendable.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:46 am EST

RF: Eriksson, Okposo, Ladd, are probably going to command similar amount of $$$, then there are guys like Perron, Boedker, Troy Brouwer, Backes, which I believe will fetch in the $4.5mill range.............................. On a trade: IYO, will Hayes get us BROZAK? or Hayes + ???? gets us Brozak ?

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:37 am EST

Kis hall for mcd probably would have been a good trade for both teams .

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:28 am EST

mf: He's gonna get in the neighourhood of $6,000,000/per and that for a guy who scored but 22 goals playing alongside Tavares. Simply too much money IMO regardless of a team's cap situation, let alone one like the Rangers who aren't exactly brimming with space.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:26 am EST

Anyone here have an opinion about OKPOSO for the Rangers? ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5725

mf


Thu Jun 30 2016 10:00 am EST

Yeah, BUCH is in a tough position....Fans alread6y penciling him into the line-up....The Rangers desperately needing him.....No doubt the kid has the poffensive talent but many times the other things take time and the Rangers can't rush the kid....I'm sure this week is giving them a good indication of where BUCH is at and the Rangers act accordingly...............So, ANDREW LADD visiting the Isles? WIll be a great pickup for them....He is alos the exact players the Rangers need for leadership up front and mentorship of guys like Kreider, Miller, Hayes etc...unfortuantely an impossibility with the contract he will be looking for.....Gorton does not have it easy....will need to make some really smart trades (i.e., not Haglin/Etem, not Staal, not Talbot) and pickups (i.e., not Stool)

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:54 am EST

KIS - Agree on MCD and, Unfortuantely, I think we all realize we are "stuck' with The King for the future.....Good goalie but, all things considered, not the best fit for the Rangers anymore...And as long as you have him, wiining NOW (next 1-2 years) will be a priority (i.., no rebuild)

Hospo


Thu Jun 30 2016 9:42 am EST

Hey boys hope all are having a great summer. So many of you have stated about building from the back out. No way should we trade a 9 million dollar goalie, yet all of you want to move a number 1 pair dman for a forward. On top of it MCD is a bargain. No way should we move MCD unless its a steal deal. At 4.5 you will never get the player who does as much for so little.

KIS


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:56 am EST

I think the only thing preventing Gorton from trading McDonough is Sather. Sather does not want Gorton to undo one of the best trades in Ranger history. Sathers ego won't let it happen. I love McDonagh but if you can get a first line center u do it.

tlats


Thu Jun 30 2016 8:19 am EST

The trade of Hall means that all of the top six players from the 2010 NHL entry draft have been traded, two of them by Chiarelli (who dealt Tyler Seguin when he was Boston’s GM). That includes Hall (who went No. 1), Seguin (2), Erik Gudbranson (3), Ryan Johanson (4), Nino Niederreiter (5) and Brett Connolly (6). No. 7 was Jeff Skinner, who is still with his original team, Carolina, but better watch out. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/29/as-nhl-activity-explodes-rangers-ryan-graves-looks-to-take-his-shot/#comment-2770459

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:54 am EST

TD: Regarding your 2nd post, yes, I agree - flipping McD for a legiitimate top line center would be ideal (and why when I heard Johansen was on the block last fall I started posting about Gorther chasing that deal). Rhet argues that Seth Jones is better and perhaps that's so, although I'd argue 1) McD is better now and 2) We have no idea when Jones was even considered available - you diddle too long and you miss the boat 3) The pressure to win in Columbus is considerable - McD helps that goal now much better than Jones. Anyways, none of us have any real clue who was offered for what one way or another - it's my opinion Gorther doesn't have the gonads to trade McD.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:50 am EST

TD: Re Tampa's pending cap problem. Oh, I see it - I just think Yzerman, like Bowman and Rutherford before him, will figure it out. And let's put it this way: I'd much rather have Yzerman's problem vs Gorther's. A wise GM with foresight will parlay those riches into more picks and prospects, thereby serving to sustain the feeder system and the competitiveness of the franchise. Bowman's done it to the point of 3 cups in 6 years. What's Gorther done, save for putting his team on the brink of darkness?

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:44 am EST

to me capt fugitive parmenter is damaged goods and injury prone....he's become mini nash in the playoffs....he cost game 7 against Tampa, and they won 1 without him against the pigpens, and lost the last 2 with him because he insisted they needed him.....one armed bandit....

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:43 am EST

RF4L - I don't disagree there...But the thing is...if you move McD, then you've got to get a replacement on the blueline...one series of events that I would support wholeheartedly is moving him for a top-line center...and then moving STEPAN or BRASSARD for someone like TROUBA. Think that would put the Rangers in a really good position going forward, because Troubs is going to be a star...and he's a righty...would allow the Rangers to have STAAL-SKJEI-HOLDEN down the left and TROUBA-KLEIN-GIRARDI/McILRATH on the right...Also allocates space on the left if GRAVES is ready to make the leap...suddenly you've got a real nasty defense that's balanced and covers up any warts Girardi still has...but I think the players it'll take to pluck Troubs loose is going to be prohibitive...at any rate...that's the type of move I suspect Gorton is looking to make...building for now and the future.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:38 am EST

RF4L - Like I said...Yzerman has brass balls. That's a solid move to protect an asset that was going to be lost for nothing...but that said, he's now going to need to make some very tough choices. If you can't see that looking at who they need to sign over the next two months and then next season...then you're not looking. It's entirely possible he views HEDMAN as expendable...or that he figures he'll get one more real good kick at the can before everything collapses...I mean, everyone here was freaking out when we had our third line wing and backup goalie to resign...Tampa has their leading point scorer and second line wing to resign...and about $7 million to do it...that's assuming they let NAMESTINIKOV and NESTEROV go...Their only hope is to move BISHOP. It's not to say they won't have a great team going into the season. Jealous? Nope. But I'll be real interested to see how he maneuvers from here. Ain't going to be easy...the proper move would have been to move Stamkos for a haul at the deadline...but his injury stopped that.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:38 am EST

TD: Hey I'll concur it's speculation on my part, just as it with those saying the Oil have no interest in McD (which I find very hard to believe). I've been saying for a year now McD is the Rangers most attractive trade chip for both his ability and reasonable contract. I realize that's reason to keep him but if you want to make a real change, you gotta give. The longer this goes the more it becomes, I think, a case of Gorther trying to move under achieving over paid veterans and hell, if the Rangers don't want these guys, why on earth does anyone else (unless Gorther's prepared to offer them at a deep discount).

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:31 am EST

For those who are interested, Carp responded to my post with 'Get a clue Jim'. LOL...in otherwords, totally avoids my point.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:30 am EST

I think Rhet0ric brings up a very good point about right-handed shot defensmen. Righties are a short commodity in the league to begin with, much less one who can move the puck from the blueline...not that LARSSON is that guy, but Chiarelli certainly thinks he will be...I do not for one second....but to the point...I wouldn't doubt that the Oil would have done McDONAGH-for-HALL straight up. Hell, the Devils just pulled off a coup and they'd probably do that deal straight up...but the Rangers? No way. The opening to trade McD was when YANDLE was still in the mix...and even then, doing so severely downgrades the one area of the lineup every fan and pundit agrees needs to be improved: Defense...so it's easy to say Gorton is sitting on his hands...or that he's between a rock in a hard place...don't think there's an ounce of truth to either. Just he's looking for deals that improve the team...With STAMKOS out of the mix the one thing he's got right now is time on his side...absent him, the free agent market ain't much to trifle with...there's not a lot that's going to drastically improve this team....Think the key now is finding the right deal at the right time. A lot is going to shake loose with Stammer off the market. Teams are going to Plan-B. And I bet if you were a fly on the wall in any GM's office yesterday, you'd hear a lot of conversations.

tdchi


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:10 am EST

The Oilers were looking for a long time for a top pairing d-man. Larsson might be one one day. McD is one now.

RF4L


Thu Jun 30 2016 7:01 am EST

Another bright gm snow almost , that famous word, got hall for harmonica but refused the deal. ... Wonder what number or letter plan fishboy is up to... 13?... Lucky almost ...plan m ... Move... Or waiting to get to r to retool...

stevielegs


Thu Jun 30 2016 4:36 am EST

BUCH is under the microscope now. He's being billed as a savior and a couple turnovers shouldn't happen, with that said just stupid. Carp has no balls, never liked the guy. The kid just came over let him get adjusted before BS like that................The league is getting out of control the cap is not growing in leaps and bounds but fourth liners want 3-4 mil a year. Time to move to a cap like the NFL sign and cut, or a soft cap where there are fines for going over but you can.

York18


Thu Jun 30 2016 2:56 am EST

So it seems according to the rumor folks that Nichushkin is not happy in Dalas. They were rumored to be in on Staal. Perhaps a match? Nichushkin Is soda to be having an agent discuss the possibility of his playing in he KHL rather than be as he sees it under utilized by the Stars. They may be willing to move him for a Dman, even an expensive one rather than get nothing and have to deal with a KHL "defector".

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:39 pm EST

I will say that it was noticeable that Buchnevich committed some hideous turnovers, just as it was noticeable that he did some magic with the puck, especially on the rush. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/29/as-nhl-activity-explodes-rangers-ryan-graves-looks-to-take-his-shot/#comment-2770459

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:34 pm EST

Again, Edmonton wanted a 1st pair Right Shot Defenseman. Right Shot. They've been looking for one for a while. Also, who did we have to give that's as good as Seth Jones for Johanssen? Jones is a stud top 4 pick. Who do we have that's comparable?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:49 pm EST

I love watching MATT MARTIN play, be nice to have him... but screw that..A 4th liner that can bang is far down the list of the things the Ranger need or need to spend money on right now...Unfortunately, the Rangers have to be picky on what they spend on......GLASS gets bashed here but he was fine in my book last year...Top 20 in hits in the NHL..Have a coach thatplays him with a guy like Clutterbuck and that other mamaluke and lets them go wild and he would provide the same..again, 4th line banger is just not a need...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:46 pm EST

RF: can we get Bozak ?

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:42 pm EST

Rhet: Move McD over - the LD and RD thing is important but not a showstopper (I mean do you really believe the Oil would take Larson over McD because of that???). IMO, Gorther has no balls I suspect, for such a trade - he's looking to trade off underachieving overpaid players but at zero discount. Ain't gonna happen.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:31 pm EST

RF4L... Edmonton wanted a 1st pair Right Shot Defenseman. Who did we have to move? Girardi?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:26 pm EST

Gawd, I'm still digesting the Hall deal and how Gorther, like he did with Ryan Johansen, missed the boat. Just what is this 2 headed monster of ineptitude doing (because nothing)???

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:24 pm EST

I wonder if Gorther went to bed yet...

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:22 pm EST

Not sure if anyone posted this today, but Tjutin got bought out by the BJs. Another dumb deal in BJ land.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:16 pm EST

york: Stamkos new deal apparently has a full NMC thru to the end....

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:14 pm EST

TD: Mmmm...you're ripping Yzerman for resigning Stamkos citing pending cap issues and the resulting doom they are facing. Dude, this is echoing so much of your criticism of Pittsburgh until about 6 weeks ago. Methinks there is a bit of jealousy happening here and I get it totally: We have Gorther orchestrating things in RangerLand....

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:09 pm EST

Higgy: No. Nash had Toronto on his no-trade list and apparently still does. Which is moot anyways - they are rebuilding the right way and therefore will have ZERO interest in Nash.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:07 pm EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 29, 2016 10:56 AM Buch with a couple hideous turnovers at scrimmage today. OMG, if that isn't his way of driving traffic to his blog, I dunno what is. And I get it - the more traffic he generates the more money he gets (one way or another). Here's the thing that bugs me: Have some balls if you're gonna do that and post something far more relevant like 'Sather with a couple of hideous trades at the last 2 deadlines'.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:57 pm EST

Bob.... I'm fine with that. In fact, I'll drive him to the airport myself Tomorrow too soon?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:56 pm EST

Tonto: agree...... and if we can unload Nash at $7.8mill and sign a guy at $6mill, we may be able to start dressing a more expensive 3rd & 4th line guy..... Theo"rhet"tically speaking of course....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:51 pm EST

Cannot sign Martin without getting rid of Glass.

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:47 pm EST

YORK: let me know when you're finished or do you wish to continue to verbally barb me? You know if I don't fight back it looks an awful lot like 'baitn. Sociopathic 'baitn but anywho... Its okay that you had inside information and decided not to bless us with it. Not all of us can be so well connected. But some of us do know what a non-disclosure agreement is. But you can choose to continue on educating us and insulting us for having an opinion that doesn't directly pay homage to your veracity.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:46 pm EST

The only problem with Martin is his asking price. He wont get the $3 Mil he's asking form, but even at $2-2.25 can we afford to pay that for a 4th line player?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:40 pm EST

I disagree. I think Veeno would love Martin. Big body who skates, shoots, and takes the body? What they wouldn't love is the paying him the money he is asking. And some poor sod is gonna get Clarkson eyes. And hopefully it won't be the New York Rangers. Good player though

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:33 pm EST

weeknow will not want Martin, or he'll put a leash on him if fishboy signs him.

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:18 pm EST

Hey all... I know Matt Martin.. 3 yrs ago during the lockout .. Matt and his brother drove down from Canada to come to my New years Eve party... Earlier that day i spoke with him for about an hour .. knowing i"m a Ranger fan i asked him would he ever consider coming to the Rangers.. He said .. It would be a dream of his to play for the Rangers.. he said he loves the City .. loves playing at the Garden and the usual original 6 comment... he said he does like playing on the Island he has alot of friends there but given the opportunity he would Definitely love to play for the Rangers ... Now granted that was 3 years ago and before the whole boomer daughter connection but something to consider .. Although maybe 3 yrs ago money wasnt a big factor for him as it may be now....

NYR7


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:18 pm EST

Hey NJ, want Rick Nash on your squad too? Girardi? Neither guy would have to uproot their families.....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:16 pm EST

MF...no, no, no..pay attention, a friend of a friend of a third cousin of the Kreiders paperboy, said he reached a compromise on how much they would tip the kid. Okay?? YORKIE, interesting, didnt think they made allowances for college completion in the majors.....STEVIE, I agree.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:06 pm EST

Wiosa I thought that without inside info. That kid better learn economics . The nyr were paying him good money and he was supposed to be playing for a new contract. Guess he's just book smart. Time for him to hit the ice and everything on it especially the twine between the posts not by missing the net and the puck hits the wall and bounces onto the back of the net. Otherwise go become a professor .

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:03 pm EST

E again never said you included me in that group and frankly wouldn't care if you did because I have long proven I had people in key places but just stopped posting info as I said earlier my second biggest chip is no longer with IMG still doesn't change the fact of what you do.......wiosa surprised about kreider but a lot of guys who leave early get a clause that states the rangers will pick up their college tuition but said schooling has to be done in a certain time frame Richter had it but his extended to after he retired PJ stock also had it but his was limited kreider may also have a limited window where the rangers pay his tuition.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:56 pm EST

Are you saying that a friend of a friend is circulating pictures of Kreider in compromising situations? ......... This is very confusing.....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:52 pm EST

Hmmm, believe it or not I have some quasi inside information. Quasi as in it's a friend of the family. Anyroad, it appears that Kreider, being quite the student, was overly concerned this season over his grades and getting his degree. If this is the reason he did his imitation of the walking dead, or 1.5 seconds behind the play, or "wide of the net" by Kreider. Screw him. Get a job after you finish your education if thats the way you roll. Of course, as always, and an emphasis on this is from a friend of a friend of you get the picture. On another note, he may appear indifferent at times, but he's not. He takes things to heart. Just my .02

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:51 pm EST

Back to throwing some macaroni against "The Wall," would Toronto trade us BOZAK for Hayes straight up? We could do a sign & trade, & or try to sweeten the deal......... Maybe we eat Tim Gleasons buyout ($684K & $1.333mill) as part of the deal, looks like they're carrying Horton, $1.2mill on Kessel, and Gleason........... BOZAK is a Faceoff winning machine, RHS, signed for the next 2 years at a Ranger affordable $4.2mill....... Bozak would give us "3" legitimate 2nd line centers and that may be a good strategy to build for... Three lines that are pretty balanced coming at you......

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:33 pm EST

Ouch... Pwned hard... Gotta lick my wounds on that one. For the record, I never mentioned you. It was your choice to go on a diatribe of credit reinforcing and insult laden nonsense. Are you really that paranoid? My only hope is one day you'll see this internet sociopathic character you created for what you are. I promise no one will be sad if you dropped it. We've been here too long for that. The fundamental difference between you and virtually the entire wall is we have opinions. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes entertaining. You see it as a contest of ideas and supremacy. Any challenge to your opinion no matter how innocuous invokes a tirade of insults, clown shoe calling people son and a bunch of other nonsense. It's not a competition. It's okay to be average. Put on your nice guy glass slippers. No one will think less of you.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:28 pm EST

It is Shark week ya know......... Now its my turn to whine, that effin DOLAN needs to shit or get off the pot... Either sell the team or fire SATHER.... Their is no way Dolan with Sather, is going to compete against TBL owner Jeff Vinik & Yzerman..... It aint happening! ..... end of whine.....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:24 pm EST

I'm shocked Hall went for that but the real question is what will Chiarelli do next. He seems to not like that draft class first seguin now Hall picks one and two and he's traded away both guys. He's supposedly getting his love child Lucic in a couple days. I think he's going to join a long list of inept GMs in Edmonton but worst off instead of being afraid to trade the kids away, he's trading them away like they are garbage. he traded hall and kept Yak lol that's the craziest part.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:21 pm EST

TD I went to bat for you too on that comment because he has made the same sarcastic remarks when you say you have inside info. Not off the rails he just whines like a bitch any time anyone posts something he isn't privy too and dismisses it as impossible because the closest he comes to inside info is the recipe for the chicken fingers when he goes to sharks games.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:19 pm EST

Rhet0ric - They went from that to settling for WEBER? Wow. Bergvin must be clinically insane...was he doing that in the hope of landing STAMKOS? If so...man is he a goat now. Downgrade your D and pass up on a better deal to free $1.2 million in cap space..Sad part is the Oil, given what Chiarelli just did, probably would have paid out the ass for Subban...maybe not THAT far out the ass...but pretty far.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:18 pm EST

TD Yzerman made a comment about a sign and trade, I'm not saying he does it this year, but maybe he signs Stamkos who is now healthy and ready to play and goes for a cup, if they win he then has a very trade friendly cap contract for Stamkos to move him to another team where they won't have to eat salary and can then get major young assets and picks back for him? That will free up money to sign Hedman as well.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:11 pm EST

The following two sites HAVE updated the team rosters, HockeyBuzz has NOT....... http://www.generalfanager.com ............. http://stats.nhlnumbers.com

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:06 pm EST

Montreal overplayed their hand.... Per Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug.... The ask from MTL for Subban was astronomical to Oil. Draisaitl, #4, Klefbom or Nurse and more.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:06 pm EST

Not sure what to think about all these moves...few thoughts, Yzerman has brass balls. And he just put them into a vice grip. KUCHEROV or KILLORN is going to need to be traded. Those guys alone will eat up whatever cap space the Lightning have left. And then Hedman heads to free agency next year. Not saying locking up STAMKOS at $8.5 million was a bad deal...certainly isn't...but man, he's got some work ahead of him....so this talk about Gorton sitting on his hands...well...if that's what he did to avoid making a low ball trade to open up space for a guy who now is off the market, good for him...SUBBAN deal...man, what the F was Montreal thinking? Granted, WEBER has plenty in the tank and shows no signs of slowing down...but there's just no way of looking at that deal as equal...and Weber is signed through 2026...Onto the Oilers...Peter Chiarelli shouldn't be allowed to managed a fry station at McDonald's, much less a major league hockey team. I'm not as fond of HALL as some here, but for LARSSON? He's basically Marc Staal 2.0. Limited offense...won't run their powerplay...will be a shut-down defender who will stabilize their blueline...but man...the guy is a second-pairing D-man on just about every team that made the playoffs...E said it good...those two trades are a great example of why Canada no longer has teams in the playoffs...the great white hope for our neighbors to the north is Toronto. It's the only club up there that seems to have a clue at this point...quite ironic isn't it.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:51 pm EST

Welp, we're off the rails again! Wocka Wocka Wocka! Someone be a dove and fetch me my clown shoes...

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:35 pm EST

E I know you weren't talking about me doesn't change the fact that you act like a little bitch every time anyone posts info you could never have. Then you claim it's sardonic humor you mock those because what the real issue is you feel inferior and act out like what did you describe yourself as a petulant child? I used the proper term at the start of this. And the only thing broke here son is you you ran your mouth a few years ago calling out monk and then chastised him for not accepting well I extended you the same invitation but you pulled a monk so you're the broken one son and you are like China a Chinese knock off cheap and worthless.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:24 pm EST

If Weber retires before contract ends, #Preds will be charged on the cap $24,571,432 divided by years remaining in recapture penalties. What would actually happen if he retires 1 year before contract ends?? What would the predators do?

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:17 pm EST

Again, Nash does not disappear in the playoffs. He is very noticeable out there. Shift after shift he is the best 3-zone player on the New York Rangers by far. It's just he costs a fortune and the New York Rangers need goals.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:45 pm EST

Trading Nash and signing Vanek for 1 year isn't terrible. Nash is fragile and invisible in the playoffs, can't do much worse than that. Plus we seem to have luck with guys that sign 1 year contracts, who can easily be traded.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:36 pm EST

Stalberg back would be great...but whats the top end cap hit the should give him. Cant see much above the 1.1 mil he got last year.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:33 pm EST

E - Yeah, I want Stalberg back..good 4th liner...but just wondering if this will be another Summer of Stools...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:29 pm EST

New York Rangers are trying to bring Stalberg back. A move I would be happy to see.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:29 pm EST

Bob, that is what I am worried about. Not that I believe that is all that is comming but that the final tally is more on the Holden=Retool end of the spectrum. Getting fleeced in a Nash trade then replacing him with Vanek is another big fear right now. See how much faith I have in Gorther?

NYStranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:27 pm EST

Stevie: I expect turnovers from a big ice guy early on. Not used to seeing players jump the lanes so easily on the small ice. Especially if he was doing those classic cross passes that they use on the big ice to back in the defenders. No one zones up in the NHL.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:24 pm EST

No worries HOSPO... I've been embracing my role as the walls Andy Kaufman for years. But I'm harmless. Just don't follow my ideas. Wonder who the wall Fletcher Reede would be?

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:23 pm EST

Nick Holden=Rangers re-tool.

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:17 pm EST

At the very least, a retool must consist of what? This team is very stale. i think we would have a better chance of making the playoffs with a rebuild. Stepan-Backes-Helm-Lindberg down the middle. Have Zucc-JVR-Stalberg-Buch-Fast-Miller-Connelly-Eaves-Higgins as the wings.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:55 pm EST

Higgy: I think thats correct. Seems to be the teams most in the rumor mill.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:54 pm EST

One can wish though. Whats funny is, when Columbus was trading Nash, wasn't the Leafs at the top along w/ NYR and SJ?

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:50 pm EST

Hope it's nerves ...RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 29, 2016 10:56 AM Buch with a couple hideous turnovers at scrimmage today. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-if-i-werent-sure-i-wouldnt-come-here/#sthash.6cotxBsw.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:49 pm EST

122 NHL defensemen have played at least 4000 minutes since 2012-13. Larsson has outscored: Scuderi, N. Schultz, Orpik, Gorges, M. Stuart. Thats it thats the whole list. thats via Thomas Drance on twitter

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:49 pm EST

Higgy, no sir. If the package included Staal and or Girardi, they would have to have agreed to waive their NMC to the next destination

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:48 pm EST

Higgy: About the only thing we have heard about the Nash list is that he listed no Canadian teams....that trade would take the Habs being stupid again (not out of the question) and Nash changing his list adding a new team to it.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:36 pm EST

If Gorton gets Nikita Scherbak for Nash, then we're in Business, even though i don't see him helping this team now. Just remember the Gomez trade, anything is possible.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:34 pm EST

E - Someone has to be the Ralph Kramden of the Wall!...STEVIE - watch what you say, I honestly think VANEK has the distinct smell of a Sather reclamation project and ends up a Ranger.....Who knows, maybe we sign him and years later speak of him in the same glowing terms as we do of VALERIE KAMENSKY! :)

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:28 pm EST

Jealous child? That's what I'm going for... Sardonic humor has always been a tough one for ya. And no one pointed at you. But maybe if the shoe fits??? Or are we Broken York again? Something else I'm trademarking since TD snoozed on it but nevertheless genius and timely. I'm like China Baby!!! I'll have you on download an stream by 8:00p. Except Hospo. That guys been driving the bus off the cliff for years now...

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:17 pm EST

Hall feels slighted, and now motivated to prove the oilers wrong...

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:16 pm EST

Rangers get HALL/Oilers get Larsson,Lindberg/Devils get Graves, Kreider, Pitlick. Thats my opinion on Kreider. He should use his speed every game, not every 7 or 8 games.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:16 pm EST

molto bene, stevie.

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:14 pm EST

E again I find it funny how you seem so jealous of anyone that has any info you yourself can't obtain. Just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean other people are in the same boat (pun intended) I can say it now because it doesnt matter any more this source is done and over with but he was at IMG and very very high up and I got a lot of info from him. Again just because you don't have someone doesn't mean others don't and frankly you seem like a jealous child when you do that.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:13 pm EST

is vanek a nyr yet ?

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:13 pm EST

E _ I don't know man, you jumped on my JESSIMAN bus, my RADULOV minivan...Should know by now not to agree with me..:)...Just Imagine if JESSIMAN wasn't a bust and CHERPANOV lived....alot better than think about Kevin HAYES moronic mug...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:10 pm EST

As a center, DUCHENSE has the attitude of a selfish scorer rather then a passer..But we have enough of those....I like how digusted ROY was last year with DUCHENSE when the guy celebrated after scoring a goal to put his team down 7-2 or something...Yeah, I think COLORADO would love to get rid of him...Might not be a bad fit on the Rangers if we also end up getting a bigger/stronger 3rd C (i.e. Charlie COYLE )somehow (Stepan trade:))

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:10 pm EST

Drew Italian slang for balls and ass

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:09 pm EST

E you're right about every team playing hardball but the Rangers often pay more than other teams, coincidence? Maybe, fact, yes.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:07 pm EST

Higgy: Where have you ever heard anything like Kreider doesn't work hard to win ad help the team?

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:07 pm EST

HOSPO: yeah, but did you previously cite me for credit on all these things? You've been riding my coat tails for years with jealousy just because I have the keys to Groton's office and bugged his phone.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

Higgy: Really a great package. Like what? And who would have made both the Oilers and Devils would jump at? You talk in certainty...but can you be certain Gorton didn't try another way other than a D but the Devils offered Larssen and the Oilers panicked because no one else was offer a D and were afraid that they wouldn't be able to flip for a D.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

RF: for humors sake I actually did get stranded on the ocean with my friends boat. We had fuel but we were busy talking to girls on the radio all day while fishing. Killed the battery. It's kinda scary when the sun is settin and you're adrift 15 miles off the coast of NJ. But then again, I'm a NYR fan, I should've been really comfortable with aimlessly adrift on a dark ocean. But I survived and so shall we survive this summer.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:05 pm EST

I think Kreider is the same way as Duchene. I don't think AV cares for him, and i wouldn't mind seeing him traded either.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:04 pm EST

E - Said the same thing at 4:08...Get your own cliches! :)

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:03 pm EST

E: I figured. But anyway. Believe me or not. The AVS are over Duchene, Roy doest like using him, the coaches are sick of his attitude. He tells one of the staff who is down the line that since that coach didn't play in the NHL how can he tell a NHL player anything. Maybe its the AVS system that caused it, but this is 7 years in and he he is this way, would be rather hard to change that attitude.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:01 pm EST

Btw, it would be ridiculous to even think Staal or Girardi would waive to go to a team like the Oilers. The fact is, the Rangers could've put a great package together for the Oilers, who could always flip whomever over to NJ for Larsson, for the Defenseman they desperately need. I don't think Shero could've even dreamed of getting HALL for Larsson.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:00 pm EST

E: Nope, the ship hasn't hit anything yet and isn't taking on water. It is, however, running out of fuel and once that happens, all kinds of chaos can result. And really, running out of fuel? How does one let that happen??

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:00 pm EST

And Wild that was a petulant swipe at you.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:59 pm EST

"Subban: "I feel a whole lot closer to winning a Stanley Cup after today's trade." Brutal honesty." Says something about the Habs as an org. Wonder if there will be changes coming there over the next few years.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:59 pm EST

I happen to know an inside source that told me that Anaheim was working hard for a flip of Nash for Fowler. And by inside, I mean inside my head.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:58 pm EST

Higgy: I doubt it. The AVS want nothing to do with Duchene...NONE of the coassignee staff enjoys working with him...even the "lower" types of coaches and consultants, trainers and the like. This is from someone within the AVS org. I can't get more specific than that right now, the AVS are rather strict about keeping stuff in house, and if it ever got out who it was he would likely lose him job, and I don't want to be responsible for that. But lets just say he takes to every player on the team and the team as a whole at times, and knows the good and bad of each of them and he has nothing positive to say about Duchene. On a side note, I have not spoken to him since the Holden trade, he is out of state, but once he is back and if I have a chance I am going to inquire about him see what this guy has to say about him.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:57 pm EST

Note to all: every team plays hardball with every team. There are no favors. Teams are trying to win.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:57 pm EST

stevie - sometimes I just have to ask, what the heck are you trying to say? And dont get me wrong I am a stevie fan on graffiti 2.

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:56 pm EST

On titter fishboy getting 2 guys who are close ugatz and u culo...he's playing with them now....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:54 pm EST

I have a felling Rangers get Duchene, but pay the most out of all the other trades made today...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:52 pm EST

RHET - We don't have a number 1 center with or without Stepan....But, I'd still be angling for another center through other trades...If i don't get one, I keep Stepan and realize the season will be a lost cause.unless we find a solid 3rd C in one of the deals/FAS

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:49 pm EST

RF4L: I said maybe not one for one. I should have said likely not one for one. I think they basically gave Hall away, they may have done the same for Staal one for one, these trades have been lopsided as hell. But Staal+ is more what I was actually thinking...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:48 pm EST

Bob: That change from Stepan to Duchene would just about guaranty that the Rangers players would be available for the World Championships every year. Duchess really enjoys that and stops playing NHL games long before the season is over.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:46 pm EST

Wild: Using the terminology you so clearly love to embrace - it's just stupid to think that Marc Staal would fetch Taylor Hall. Pushing 30, lots of injuries, big contract and no upside vs a far cheaper 23 year old who's still developing? Very obvious choice, unless you're stupid.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:40 pm EST

Seems that Minnesota needs a center and they like Aman kids, so why not Stepan. I would not do that without the Rangers having another center lined up. I would do it for Dumba-plus. Wonder if Staal would agree to go to Colorado and the Rangers could get Duchene. That would piss off a few on this wall.

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:32 pm EST

Higgy: Maybe its time to go after Nashville....they are so high off that trade they might agree to anything. LOL

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:31 pm EST

Higgy: A reason to move Step of Brass is that Brass has a shorter term left as 1.5 mil less per...and no NTC (that I know of). Leaves more flexibility in 3 years, and that could be a BIG BIG change over time for the Rangers. If the Rangers move Step. They as of right now would only have Hank, Giradi, and Staal signed beyond the year Brass is signed until. Now there may be a move or a UFA signed, or RFAs signed this summer that are signed beyond that, but still, its a natural year to look at as a retooling and rebuilding timeframe and may be worth having one less guy with a NTC in they way of that.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:27 pm EST

Hopefully its not Nashville, after they just fleeced Montreal...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:25 pm EST

OK...so I know its twitter rumor place...HOWEVER this guy did say yesterday that his sources told him to hang on tight for today....so he was either really lucky, or really has a source or two.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:25 pm EST

Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak 25s25 seconds ago #BREAKING - ANA and NSH gearing up for Rick Nash.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:24 pm EST

yeah, u can't trade Stepan now. Turn to trading Brassard, sign Backes to have someone tough down the middle, sign HELM, and be done w/ free agents. Bring Stalberg back, and try to trade NASH, and Hayes. Hopefully STAAL. Get JVR

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:24 pm EST

Rhet: The thing is, after Steps NTC activates it will be harder to get good value for him in a trade, and that could get in the way of helping the team AND opening up room for a top line center than may become available. It is a risk yes, but its a balance....depends on what you feel the chances for the Rangers are this season...if you think its REAL chance at a run maybe you don't move him, if not than you do and use this offseason, the deadline, UFA this year and next and next offseason moves to bolster the team, essentially taking only one season off the hard push for a cup.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:18 pm EST

Hospo... How does moving Stepan to the Wild make any sense any more? What would we replace him with? What's the plan to get a number 1 center now?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:17 pm EST

WILD - No, that's your typical blow it out your ass defense of poor mangement by the Rangers....Again, I'm not criticizing them YET... I'm not talking about one "deal", I'm talking about the entire off season for a team that needs significant changes...If you can't get anything done to help the team, if you're not smarter than any other GMS, if you can't make any adept trades based on superior evaluation,, then the team is in trouble at the top with inferior mangemwent.....or we could jut blame it on all the other mean GMs....

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:14 pm EST

Hospo: I think the reason the flood gates opened some was due to the Stamkos thing. I am sure before the deal was signed teams were told he had decided and it wasn't them and the word got around the NHL. That let lose some traded that were sitting and waiting. Now I imagine there are phone calls going all over the place. I would expect within the next 24 hours the rumor mill will flare up and some moves may be made. UNFORTUNATELY there are no deadlines for a while, so teams can take their time and deals that heading to a deadline of sorts would take hours will take days.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:11 pm EST

Amazed that out of his forwards, Chiarelli/EDMONTON traded their 2nd best forward rather then RNH or Eberle.....Hope Minnesota night still be looking for a Center like Stepan....

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:11 pm EST

Hospo: That is such a low IQ line of thinking. That because a deal hasn't been done the GM isn't smart enough or sly enough. SO I guess there are only a couple GMs in the entire NHL that are any good. Because there are a TON of players out there with GMs who "need" or badly want to move them and they haven't been moved. Even players that really wanted haven't been moved. Every team just about has been rumored to want to make moves, but there is zero going on save a couple teams....and some of those teams got dragged over the coals. Again I guess there are just 2 or 3 decent GMs now....just more "the rangers suck everyone else is great" crap floating around the wall.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:08 pm EST

Agree that other teams will be playing hardball with the Rangers..but that's as it should be..Thye should be doing it with every team...Over the last few months, the Rangers should have identified potential trading partners that would be best to deal with and/or have the best players assets to deal for....There will be no Stamkos, the Rangers have plenty of valuable players they can trade for fair value (players/pic or prospect/cap relief) ..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:00 pm EST

WILD - For christ sake, stop rushing to defend every god dam move or non move the Rangers make.....My point was not really about the larsson-Hall trade...I understand why teams might make different moves...My statement was more to the entire off-season (beginning now)....i don't want to hear the lilly livered limp wristed "oh, Gorton couldn't do anything, nobody wanted to play with him"....if that's true, we got the wrong GM, a GM not smart, sly, adept enough to make deals to improve his team....Again, I'm talking the off-season as a whole, one that has barely started and why i said there is still plenty of time..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 4:00 pm EST

Its RHS Dmen that are more rare correct? Meaning Girardi would have more value just due to that...hopefully the Rangers get something done to help short and long term.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:59 pm EST

E: stop pissing in the Cherrios, the friggin boat is still on dry-dock!

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:53 pm EST

WILD: don't be so calm, the irrational red panic button has been pressed, the klaxon and NYR fans run back and forth on the deck waiting for the ship to start taking on water. Even though they haven't hit anything yet.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:50 pm EST

Look at it this way. At least the NYR aren't on the hook for Shea Weber's contract. The Oilers and Habs are putting on a great micro display of why there was zero Canadian teams in the playoffs. It's pretty sad. With Subban and Hall going south for a high mileage and older Weber and a less impactful defenseman. I think the Subban for Weber deal will look awful within two seasons as Weber slows down and Subban isn't even 30 yet.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:41 pm EST

I don't think gorther are sitting in their hands. I honestly think teama are playing hardball with them. They are not in a strong trading position and have over oaid their last three deals and GMs see this and want the same results in new deals.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:40 pm EST

Hospo: I hear you. Just for clarity, I was trying to state that when I look at the NYR defense and what the Oilers needs were the only guy that would have likely worked was McD. G and Staal are certainly not of Larsson's skill. And McD is better then all of them. I just didn't see how the NYR could line up a better player then Larsson and have it make sense. I would've loved to get Hall. I think he is gonna torture the NYR for years to come. But I didn't see how the NYR had what the Oilers needed unless it was McD.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:38 pm EST

annnnnnndddd the Rangers fans come out in force with intimate knowledge of how hard the Rangers brass is working. See becsaue a deal hasn't happened they are not trying. We all KNOW of course that Staal and Giradi have both waived the NMC for many many teams and Gorton is just refusing to take that deal that would help the Rangers. And there are multiple teams willing to give up multiple 1st rounders to take Nahs and his full deal, but Gorton is sitting on his hands. As always I say, wait until all the moves are done, and camp opens before you decide how they have done for the offseason. This mid stream ripping the team for what they have or have not done is silly.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:37 pm EST

Maybe Chiarelli likes Larsson better than McDonagh..23 year old righty vs 27 year old lefty. Maybe Larsson fits in better with the Oilers than MCD.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:35 pm EST

WIOSA: I mean, Gorton could have gone to the Staal/Giradi camps to find if they would go and they said no. I didn't mean that they had a trade in place and they nixed it.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:35 pm EST

Man, Gorther sitting on his hands so long they must be really numb! Time to do the Stranger! 8=0

NYStranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:34 pm EST

Hospo: Fly...flap your arms and fly. Cant do it? Well DUH! Some things CANT be done. No mater what Gorton could NOT have gotten a deal done if Staal/Giradi don't waive their NMC. Unless you wanted to see Klein and a 2nd or a 1st going to the Oilers for Hall.....that would have helped nothing, and would have been a waste of a trade.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:34 pm EST

Wild you cant plan on moving a guy that has a NMC and doesnt want to go. That's just irresponsible. Ya know?

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:32 pm EST

WILD - Honestly, I know the old it takes two to tango stuff, but excuses and explanations mean nothing,..all that matters is what you do or what you weren't smart or sneaky enough to do......Still alot of time left ..we'll see..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:32 pm EST

and captain fugitive parmenter is still here...wtfu fishboy by Friday 7/1/16 ....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:25 pm EST

Hospo: Gorton may have wanted to move Staal to the Oil for Hall, maybe not one for one, but still, and Staal could have said no way, same for Giradi. We can't know if the Rangers brass tried to do anything, maybe even something better for the Oilers but couldn't due to NMC/NTC

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:24 pm EST

Hospo, have any more meeting today? This just got interesting....... ;-)

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:23 pm EST

Rhet: t/y

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:22 pm EST

Wow..Go away for a meeting and the shit hits the fan.......E - Sorry, I'll take MCD over LARSSON.....Great trade by the DEVILS to get HALL..Edmionton will continue to suck and it hurts that GORTON couldn't have topped that deal............STAMKOS staying in TB??? Seemed the lost logical outcome to me and he was never gonna be a Ranger......SUBBAAN-Weber..Doesn't mean much to the Rangers but what a freakin blockbister...........Allright GORTON, now you can take your tumbs out of your ass and do something...

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:16 pm EST

Hell....other teams could have done a 7 years 73.5 mil deal....not sure what taxes in other cities are...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:13 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun .... FYI that there was NO salary retained in Subban-Weber blockbuster. Straight up contract for contract.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:12 pm EST

Stamos staying 8 years 8.5 per. HE could have gotten more from any of the NYR, TOR, or BUF if they would have done a sign and trade. Of course with taxes and the like he would have come away with less. Oh well....anticlimactic UFA period...

Wildcard


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:11 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie .... Stamkos's deal with TB is expected to come in at eight years, with an AAV of $8.5M.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:10 pm EST

MF.... I'm reading they wanted a RHD... maybe they tried for Subban and then grabbed Larsson as a consolation prize? Who knows. Subban for Weber is also 1 for 1.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:08 pm EST

Devils got better, Lightning got better, Canadiens got worse, as NYR sit and wait for a phone call from a gm begging for one of his players...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:07 pm EST

Stamkos back to Tampa

tlats


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:05 pm EST

Guess they didn't want to part with McDonagh...... could have then turned around & dealt Nash

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:03 pm EST

Wait, I forgot. Thanks to the Flyers, most of Weber's money was front loaded.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:01 pm EST

How does all this happen in a matter of 10 mins? Maybe the flurry of Ranger trades is next....

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:00 pm EST

I would imagine that the Predators are retaining money in the Weber deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:00 pm EST

If Subban's going to Nashville, Ryan Ellis is arguably, redundant. Stop diddling Gorther and do something!!!

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 3:00 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏@aj_ranger ..... That's the most insane one-for-one deal that I've seen in, oh, five minutes.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:58 pm EST

Bob McKenzieVerified account ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie..... Steven Stamkos is staying in TB. #TSN

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:58 pm EST

And Steven Stamkos is staying in TAMPA. Way to go GORTON!!!!!!

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:58 pm EST

Hopefully the Metamucil has set in and the trade activity is gonna get moving.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:57 pm EST

Now Kypreos is saying PK is moving...course theyve been saying it all year

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:57 pm EST

Adam Larsson is a RHS, & so is PK Subban.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?8940

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:57 pm EST

How terrible is that trade??

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:56 pm EST

Nick KypreosVerified account ‏@RealKyper.... #Blockbuster @CanadiensMTL trade PK Subban to @PredsNHL for Shea Weber #wow @Sportsnet @NHL.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:56 pm EST

Shea Weber??

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:55 pm EST

Funny how they won't trade Yakupov bc all they could get was a 3rd round pick???? Maybe we can get McDAVID for Jesper Fast

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:54 pm EST

Here we go.... Nick Kypreos Verified account ‏@RealKyper...... Talk of @Canadiens moving PK as early as today. Stay tuned. @Sportsnet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:54 pm EST

Lucic is in Edmonton, so they say...

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:52 pm EST

Larsson is better then every NYR defenseman that we'd wanna part with. McD? Nah... KK isn't as good as Larsson and G and Staal aren't gonna get it done. Edmonton got hosed though and made the NYR lives miserable. Makes me wonder if the NJD aren't planning on going full court for Stamkos now.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:48 pm EST

Dreger: "Taylor Hall is a terrific player. So either we collectively as a hockey society overvalued him, or undervalued Adam Larsson."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:46 pm EST

Hall for Larrson? R u friggin' kidding me? WTF is our GM doing? Hall for Larrson?????!!!!!

JFC31


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:45 pm EST

What's really sad is, not only would he have cost us nothing, his contract is an absolute steal. 6 million at 4 years left. Especially when u read Frans Nielsen can get that on the open market. Now we're gonna offer Stamkos 11 mil per, which won't look good whether he accepts or not. Fire Gorton

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:40 pm EST

So who on here kept saying Taylor Hall isn't being shopped by Edmonton? Eat some crow who ever you are. This guy has been available for the past 3 years. Gorther asleep at the wheel AGAIN!

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:35 pm EST

Higgy - he just made a case for being the worst GM in the league...certainly the worst to have a cup ring to show for it.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:34 pm EST

WIOSA - Larsson is good...but he's no all-star. He's never lived up to his draft potential and at best, he becomes McDonagh...who BTW, is a lot better than Larsson. Honestly, is see the guy as pre-eye injury Marc STAAL.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:34 pm EST

Chiarelli always gets smoked. Look at Seguin. He has now traded the first 2 picks from that year. I thought he would've learned from that.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:32 pm EST

Wow...supposedly one for one. Chiarelli just got SMOKED.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:31 pm EST

To think the majority of us would give up McDonagh for Hall...And all it took was Larsson, basically someone who has been a bust since he was drafted in the top 5.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:30 pm EST

Well maybe this will open up the trading market?

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:30 pm EST

Larson seems ok, he's 23 years old and a +15.

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:29 pm EST

So Taylor Hall goes to the Devils for Larsson? That's it? And the NYR sat around and let that happen? Yikes!

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:28 pm EST

Bet the Oil got Zacha and Larsson...and still got taken badly.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:27 pm EST

If the Devils really get Hall, Gorton must be really confidant regarding Stamkos...

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:26 pm EST

Time to play RF4L for a day. I will go first............Rangers name Martin St. Louis their new assistant coach, and Steven Stamkos signs for $11MM per. Rangers trade Ryan McDonagh to Edmonton for Taylor Hall. Rangers trade Derek Stepan and Marc Staal to Minnesota for Matt Dumba and a #1 pick. Rangers buy out Dan Girardi and sign Fedor Tjutin. How am I doin' RF4L?

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:26 pm EST

Hall deal completed.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:24 pm EST

Supposedly it's LARSSON-plus for HALL. Would be classic: Edmonton makes its first real push for a top defender and ends up with a guy who will never be a top defender.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:24 pm EST

Sounds like Devils have a deal for HALL, as Gorton does nothing... We have to be able to beat any deal the Devils have. Skjei has more upside than Larsson.

Higgy21


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:22 pm EST

Twitter abuzz with rumors that Taylor Hall might be going to NJD, per Bob McKenzie

WIOSA


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:12 pm EST

I believe Yorkie mentioned it below. Would a trade of McDonough for Hall be a straight up hockey trade or would we have to add to it?

DREW


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:05 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug.... Tough decisions for Chiarelli, but this team goes nowhere without a major fix on D, and it's going to hurt however it gets done.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 2:02 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug .....Oilers may not get the best player in a trade, but the need is that bad on defence. Pulj + poss. of Lucic changes equation up front enough? .....If they continue to wait for a trade that they clearly win, it may never happen, and the hole never gets filled. Probly why it hasn't yet.... Hamonic would have been ideal, off market. Pietrangelo probly not moving, would NJD desperate for Off. move a core D? Severson+ or Larsson? .....There are options in Minny, but Dumba+ or Brodin+ are tough returns in Hall deal likely not enough. Fowler is 2nd pair and PP, Barrie too

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:59 pm EST

.Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug..... The chances of Hall being moved have never been greater than they are right now. The need for a defenseman is astronomical.... They may have to make a deal they know they don't win in order to fix their problems on D. Waiting for equal value hasn't worked..... #1 dmen rarely ever get moved for wingers. A #2 23 minute a night 2 way defender would be a realistic fix attainable in a Hall deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:59 pm EST

Time to play RF4L for a day. I will go first............Rangers name Martin St. Louis their new assistant coach, and Steven Stamkos signs for $11MM per. Rangers trade Ryan McDonagh to Edmonton for Taylor Hall. Rangers trade Derek Stepan and Marc Staal to Minnesota for Matt Dumba and a #1 pick. Rangers buy out Dan Girardi and sign Fedor Tjutin. How am I doin' RF4L?

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:34 pm EST

Development Camp list..... Andersson, Calle ...Betz, Nick ...Buchnevich, Pavel ...Buinitsky, Dmitri ...Chapie, Adam ...Day, Sean ...Donnay, Troy ...Duke, Reid ...Fogarty, Steven ...Fontaine, Gabriel ....Gettinger, Tim ...Graves, Ryan ...Gropp, Ryan ...Halverson, Brandon ....Joly, Michael ...Kovacs, Robin ...Morrison, Brad ...Nieves, Cristoval ...Ottenbreit, Turner ...Plesa, Matthew ...Plesa, Nicholas ...Plesa, Peter ...Ronning, Ty ...Skapski, Mackenzie ...Smith, C.J ....Stromwall, Malte ....Tambellini, Adam ...Wall, Tyler ....Yaremko, Rylan ...Zborosky, Zachary ....Zborovskiy, Sergey.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:32 pm EST

E I don't see him as bad as you do but, as said below, I fear signing him and think the Rangers need to go in another direction.

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:27 pm EST

Eric Staal is slow, plodding and is losing his game rapidly. I think the NYR leaning is going to be more towards fast, aggressive bottom-6. And Staal is a bottom-6 player regardless of what he believes. I'm much more interested in UFA like Darren Helm, Grabner right now to tighten up the PK. And the 3rd line needs playmakers and game breakers. And E. Staal with his top-6 minutes in Carolina bloating his stats ain't gonna cut it with more limited ice time with the NYR.

E


Wed Jun 29 2016 1:22 pm EST

Did they post the Prospects Camp Roster anywhere yet ?

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:48 pm EST

I think Despo used to call him something like Rooty Tooty Tyutin.... Per Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline ..... #CBJ Fedor Tyutin had a $4.5M cap hit thru 2017-18. With buyout, he'll count $1.21M this season, $1.96M next and $1.46M in '18-19, '19-20.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:33 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/seth-jones-six-year-32-4-million-deal-creates-pickle-for-blue-jackets-and-jets/

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:32 pm EST

Rootin Tyutin (TD it rhymes!) (LHS)...Someone's gonna scarf this guy up......http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?2329

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:25 pm EST

Per Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline...... #CBJ are buying out the contract of D Fedor Tyutin.... Tyutin had two years remaining at $4.5 million per season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:05 pm EST

I'd entertain a line up with Eric Staal, but would Eric Staal entertain coming back to the Rangers???? The guy is a class act, as are the rest of the Staals.. If memory serves correctly, he only dropped some subtle hints about how he was used here....

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:51 am EST

I'd stay away from Eric Staal....After last year's fiasco, I have no clue if his bad play was a result of AV and his usage or Staal's slipping play or a likley combo of both...I would say I might take him as a 3rd line C making about 2 mill but even that seems risky and it's something he wouldn't agree to unless he has noithing come September..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:29 am EST

BTW, Staal acknowledged he is facing a significant pay cut. Will he take a low-balled one year in order to revitalize himself and value and look at something longer term in and around the $4,000,000 mark. Will be interesting to see where he lands.....

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:23 am EST

For a little guy who's deathly afraid of getting hit, Mason Raymond forged himself a decent NHL career and made some decent $$ doing so.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:20 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie ...... Mason Raymond (CGY) and Eric Nystrom (NSH) on buyout waivers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:19 am EST

York: Stamkos is likely plan A and surely Gorther has a plan B and a plan C. If he doesn't you're right - chaos will ensure, but it'll be a slow and steady drop to that chaos and the end result will likely be AV fired and the Rangers in the draft lottery mix for 2017.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:16 am EST

FWIW, Eric Staal is saying 1) he believes he can still play in the league and 2) is seeking a team prepared to give him a shot at playing center in the top 6. Of course, Gorther gives up 2 2nds and a solid prospect to get him and the coach sticks him on the 3rd line and often at wing. Disconnection or what? All that said, Staal might be a plan B for Gorther, assuming he's not commanding a ridiculous salary and that would make Stepan expendable. Now if that's accurate, it surely means Gorther won't be asking Marc to waive his NMC...

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:16 am EST

If gorther only plan was stamkos this team is in serious trouble. Maybe it's time to think about moving the captain to Edmonton for hall.

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:13 am EST

Maybe if you dress as Tonto

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 11:06 am EST

The waiting is the hardest part. Is there any way to wake up Monday with Taylor Hall a Ranger?

Bob


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:56 am EST

Hospo: The BJs are up against the cap so the Oil would have to take salary back, meaning going to Edmonton likely would be one of Tjutin/Hartnell plus whatever d-man the Oil are after.

RF4L


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:44 am EST

Like Mcilrath, Graves has a cannon of a shot from the point, hardest in the AHL...Long term, can't see Rangers keeping both Graves and Mcilrath (TBT--to be traded)under AV..We'll see..IMWO, .CBJ would be fools to go for RNH..Torts will eat him alive......had read that Edmont wanted a bit more than DUmba or Brodin for RNH..Stepan is a better player than RNH..

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:44 am EST

RhetOric............can we trans plant it into Hank !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:32 am EST

“I’m not a flashy player,” Graves said. “I’m a physical, stay-at-home defenseman. I stick to my game. I won’t be the guy trying to rush the puck or putting up a lot of goals. Maybe the points will come in games when I get chances. If they don’t, they don’t. It’s not something I think about a lot."......Hartnett: Like Skjei, Rangers Prospect Ryan Graves Could Make Quick Leap To NHL..... http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/29/hartnett-rangers-ryan-graves/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:21 am EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74 ..... Don't be surprised if #BlueJackets try to swing deal for Ryan Nugent Hopkins. Have some young D depth Oilers would like. $$ an issue though

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 10:20 am EST

Concerned about CTE, Ranger great Mike Richter says he'll 'probably' donate brain to science..... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-great-richter-concerned-cte-donate-brain-article-1.2692089

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:57 am EST

I'm confident Gorton has plans & considerations if Stamkos signs elsewhere.... Could be a blessing in disguise if we don't land him, and start turning this tanker (as in ship, a noun, not to tank, as in a verb) a bit slower...... :-)

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:49 am EST

Makes sense, given where he grew up...and where he lives.......Bolts..Leafs..Sabres..maybe Red Wings....Hope GORTON is working on the premise that the Rangers have no chance at STAMKOS and has a plan rather then a few reactionary moves.......We'll see in a few days..But, if no Stamkos, Likely both Brass and Step stay....Don't love that idea one iota but very probable.......But we can't have HAYES as the 3rd Center with those two,,

Hospo


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:43 am EST

interesting on the after tax take-home pay. Perhaps why Stevie Y offered $8.5mill over 7 or 8 yrs......

mf


Wed Jun 29 2016 9:41 am EST

On to Plan B?? .....Per Howard Berger@Berger_BYTES...... A "birdie" whispered to me that Steven Stamkos is looking primarily at the #Leafs and #BuffaloSabres, were he to leave Tampa. Hmmm.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 29 2016 8:48 am EST

https://mobile.twitter.com/DobberHockey/status/747994864554381312

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 7:25 am EST

York - You're wrong. LOL.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:33 am EST

TD sorry I don't have endless hours to sit on a message board like you and I certainly am not wasting a solid night watching you try and be witty. The only thing you left out was I'm rubber youre glue. Now you're trying to use my lines as your own sad sir very sad when you're ready to talk real hockey let me know because with you it's far and in between. When you actually have a nugget a wisdom but a blind squirrel does find a nut. Why D not you tell us how replaceable hags still is or how the rangers aren't having cap issues while the rest of the hockey world disagrees with you. Or how Jansen is the second coming oh wait wasn't etem supposed to make everyone forget about hags?

York18


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:28 am EST

Rhet0ric - I don't think Tampa will pay him $10 million...if they were, they would have done it by now...think their max was something in the neck of $8 million-plus over eight...which I guess if you adjust for taxes is probably in the realm of what other teams in higher taxed areas will pay... I don't think a team will go overboard and offer him $12 million per...think most teams will round out at slightly less for a seven-year duration. And that will mean he picks the place where he wants to play hockey for the next decade or so.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:25 am EST

stevielegs - I would be remiss to say STAMKOS level of production and what in fact he'd bring for $10 million plus isn't a concern. The other concern is that unlike other top centers in the league, he's never been that great at faceoffs...which is one area the Rangers need to improve in short order...But I also don't think there's another way to simultaneously improve the Rangers as a team AND greatly bolster the farm system without losing much.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:18 am EST

Hospo - no pissing match. I was just telling him he's right...because he's always right. I was just trying to figure out what the proper-sized clownshoe I need to be perpetually right. I'll try a different tact today and just disagree with everything he says.

tdchi


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:17 am EST

I'm not ... RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 28, 2016 9:42 PM devils advocate, concerned that you’re paying $10M for a guy with eight more points than Brassard? - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-if-i-werent-sure-i-wouldnt-come-here/#sthash.M6pJvCEl.jYHcF9nu.dpuf

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 6:04 am EST

“He’s going to have every chance,” Clark said, “to prove he’s not good enough.”....try to prove he's good enough.....

stevielegs


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:28 am EST

Off on vacation folks. I'll be back in a few weeks. Enjoy the insanity of the next few weeks. If I can read and post from time to time I will but otherwise.....LETS GO RANGERS!!!!

Vic


Wed Jun 29 2016 5:27 am EST

RHET: All part of why the Rangers will have to throw much more money at him then anyone else just to make it even.

Vic


Wed Jun 29 2016 12:25 am EST

He would have to have the world's worst accountant, but it's still interesting....Per Cap Friendly: How much Steven Stamkos earns after taxes. [Based on a $10M Contract].... Toronto Maple Leafs: $4.7M..... Montreal Canadiens: $4.7M.... Tampa Bay Lightning: $6.1M..... Buffalo Sabres $5.2M.... New York Rangers: $4.8M.... Detroit Red Wings $5.4M..... Vancouver Canucks $5.3M.... Boston Bruins: $5.5M.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 11:37 pm EST

Kinda funny how the Rangers are one of 3 teams (LA and NYI) that have at least two payers (Glass and Holden) in the NHL's 2015 Top 20 Hits..Basically, I don't see na offer for Matt Martin coming if he wants over 3 mill per

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 11:06 pm EST

Damn sorry I mussed tonight's episode of Pissing Contest Theatre....And no, iyou don't want to imagine the old Channel 11 WPIC commercial..Anyway.reading it a few hours after the fact just doesn't carry the punch, the vivlality, nay, the world impacting power of seeing it live..Teach me to leave the wall...All kidding aside, play nice boys......As for STAMKOS, I still think TB makes a few trades (like BISHOP and a s few others) and keeps him in FLA with the zero state incme tax and a home his family loves..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:44 pm EST

MF.... http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:39 pm EST

ahhh yessss, and doesn't the "group classification" come into play too?

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:32 pm EST

BTW, for Boston to offer sheet him, they would have to offer him $9,388,080 or more. That's because they don't have any of the requisite picks left other than their next 4 First Round Picks. Which is what it would cost them. The new Shea Weber contract.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:26 pm EST

MF... Not so. It depends on the Dollar amount you offer a RFA. Trouba is most likely out of our price range. It's believed to have been asking the Jets for 8 years and $56 Mil. The Bruins offer sheet will most likely be more than that. I just can't see how we could sign him and get a center. Plus, theres that who waiting thing.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:08 pm EST

mf: I believe you're right! And good thing in a way - guess there's always the lighter side of stupidity to ease my annoyance... ;^)

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:04 pm EST

that would be our draft picks

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:04 pm EST

RF: I believe that we traded away the compensation necessary to tender an offer to another team's RFA

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:00 pm EST

OMG...sure hope Gorther doesn't sit on his hands much longer....LOLOLOL...

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:57 pm EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏@MurphysLaw74....... Hearing lots of chatter today/tonight that #Bruins could be preparing an offer sheet for Jets RFA defenseman Jacob Trouba. #NHLFreeagency

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:38 pm EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/pavel-buchnevich-confident-about-making-transition-to-nhl-1.11981347

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:26 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-is-now-ready-with-playmaker-rep/

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:53 pm EST

Well guys, sorry I broke the York. Don't worry. He'll be back. He just needs some rest. Poor feller got himself all tuckered out.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:49 pm EST

C'mon York! You didn't REALLY leave did ya? We were jhavin' a good time...just playin' right? You're not gonna go to bed all sore are ya?

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:46 pm EST

Ya know York? You're onto something. Gonna start rhyming! Period! Can I get a hit? Boom bip with a brother named Tip and we're ready to flip!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:43 pm EST

Oh gee wilikers...,y clownshoes must of gotten in the way. Couldn't read your post York. But I'll assume it's right because everything your write is right. Haha...you see that? Right. Write. LOL!!! LAMO...oh wait...how does it go? LMAO. Gotta write that down on my shine box! Period!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:39 pm EST

Calling it a night from you TD your BS has grown tired PERIOD!

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:38 pm EST

Can Gorther sign Stamkos but not announce it till after he can move Nash, and or Stepan? Either way don't see this playing out where Stamkos ends up in NY unless it's Buff but it would be nice to have a legit star in his prime for once.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:36 pm EST

Oh I thought you were calling it a night. Guess not. Just like you weren't calling it a day when you told us all you'd be stepping away from this place and not gracing us with your wonderful insight.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:35 pm EST

And your catch phrases. Hilarious! Let me try. LMAO! Wow that feels good! So that's why you type that all the time. You're onto something. When you call Stamkos later tonight, do give us the scoop.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:35 pm EST

TD no thank you sir, it's always fun watching you BS your way into a post please tel me once again all about the stadium called MSG

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:34 pm EST

TD it's You're right as in you are right, not your right, which makes YOU wrong. ROFLMAO LMAO, LOL Bazinga, =) ;) don't know if there are more.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:33 pm EST

Pow boom bop! SHAZAM! This place is popping now. Thanks for stopping by York and gracing us with your infinite knowledge.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:32 pm EST

RHET what is to say those deals are any good, if they were wouldn't Gorther have taken them? Also what's to say the Rangers don't have to eat salary on at least Nash's contract and maybe Steps? Finally I don't see any GM making a trade easy for Gorther knowing that they are screwed and have to dump players if Stamkos is already signed which means dealing from extreme weakness.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:32 pm EST

oh forgot the ol' ROFL...LAMO. LOL!! HA! Wow. ZING!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:31 pm EST

What was that York? Oh yeah...that's right. Everyone agrees with you. Oh yeah. Your right...again. Sheesh, I can't win one around here. Guess I'll just got get my shine box and clown shoes...how original! PERIOD!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:30 pm EST

MF LMAO thanks for helping TD out, obviously I'm not the only one who thinks he needs it.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:29 pm EST

VIC.... Once GORTON gets a commitment from Stamkos, he'll have a solid 24 hours to pull the trigger on the deals he's been working on for the past few weeks. He doesn't need to trade everyone, just Nash and Stepan. Between those two contracts (plus the cap space they already have), the NYR will have enough room to re-sign all of their RFA's and pursue UFA's as well .....Or, they could bring back some payroll in the deals they make for those players(either way). Stamkos then signs and it's official. Anyone he trades after those two is not being moved with his back up against the wall. IMO, Easy peasy.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:29 pm EST

TD before I call it a night two things, you don't have to apologize for being wrong, you'd be on this board apologizing a lot, second you don't have to tell me you are wrong we both know you already are, it's okay champ just head to the mirror and tell that guy you see on the other guy that's he's swell and people like him and want to be his friend.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:28 pm EST

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:27 pm EST

TD Unlike you I have a life and don't care what color a player likes, or what they watch but I'm sure you know a bunch of facts like that of a great many players good on you.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:23 pm EST

Wait no. You probably know that too. I'm sorry. I'm wrong again.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:23 pm EST

York- I bet you don't even know Stamkos' favorite movie.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:19 pm EST

TD absolutes like NYC is the best city in the world PERIOD! Or MSG is the best stadium in the world PERIOD the latter is my favorite stadium I love that LMAO let me let you in on a little secret Mr the Rangers aren't in cap hell, then why did they trade Hags, why did they have to give up extra draft picks for the Canes and Yotes to eat salary to obtain players if they have so much money? Finally yes they are in cap hell because they have 16 mill to sign 6 players and this is a team that wasn't very good all year and needs to improve and Buch and Jansen are not the saviors of this franchise which means there is very little room to actually do a lot. Funny how everyone but you seems to think the Rangers are having cap problems including the Rangers themselves but hey what do they know compared to you. FInally if I was arguing with myself it would actually be a pointed argument unlike arguing with you which is akin to arguing with a bonobo, don't worry I'll give you time to look it up.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:19 pm EST

VIC: you're correct, I agree, but I don't feel it's a blanket statement that applies to all..........."hey league," we're looking to move Ryan McDonagh." Do you think we will lack for a marketplace to sell to? ..... Do you think we're going to be offered less for him because we're above the cap?

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:04 pm EST

MF: It has nothing to do with collusion. After signing STAMKOS GORTHER becomes a "motivated seller". That means he HAS to make deals to shed contracts. Other parties are not pressured to make those deals and everyone involved knows it. When negotiating a deal if one party is in the position of HAVING to make a deal the other party has the upper hand. They can drive the price down because they don't have to buy. And in the case of the NHL there are only a very limited number of buyers out there. Subtract from that the people that don't have a need or desire to make a deal. Also subtract from that those that don't have the Cap space to make a deal. The Rangers may only have one or two teams to try to sell individual players to.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:50 pm EST

Oh crap. I just reread the wall. Looks like STAMKOS isn't coming here after all. York proclaimed it so therefore it must be true. Oh and the Rangers are in cap hell because they only have $16 million to sign six guys...And no teams are doing them any favors. Because that's what GMs do for one another...favors..party favors! Yes doom! No one will trade with the Rangers because the KNOW how screwed they are and they want to keep them there...mired in this hell they're in...it's a league conspiracy! By Jove, I'm glad I read the wall.. Genius! Man am I glad I stopped in, because otherwise I would have expected there might be a trade or two in the coming week. Lord knows that ain't gonna happen. Just like we know STAMKOS won't come to NYC because the ice sucks almost as bad as the city...and we all know he's just going to sign in Toronto with their $7 million in cap space. Sheesh. And it was all so obvious. Thanks guys for setting me straight!

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:45 pm EST

RF: I don't neccesarily jump all over Sather for going all in post 2011. He had a contender and while we can question the decisions on personnel (see D. Boyle over Stralman.) But what was clear to me and was stated somewhere at the beginning of 15-16 that they were gonna give these guys one more shot. And they fell short. And it looks clear that the New York Rangers are putting a lot of the roster in play.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:41 pm EST

York - did you mention something? No just arguing with yourself again. And btw, no one is saying STAMKOS is coming here. But you'd be a fool to think the Rangers aren't gunning for him. Or to speak in absolutes.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:39 pm EST

So if The Rangers sign Stamkos the other GM's are going to collude to under bid for other Rangers reported to be available? ..... Hear ye, hear ye; Mcdonagh, Stepan, Zucc, Brassard, Nash are all available & we're listening to offers.... Then comes the collusion conspiracy, shh, shh, the Rangers are Cap Strapped don't try to improve your team............

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:27 pm EST

I'd rather have stamkos a nyr , and fishboy then get screwed than not ....since he probably figured out on draft day he's screwed more than he thought ....either way he's in cap hell , or he has less of a team than last season ... And still getting screwed ....or he's stuck with the contracts his roster has ... Alias screwed....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:20 pm EST

Well few mention guys being underpaid for their past which is part of why they ask for the moon when it's their turn and future ....the NHL has made this situation and so have the owners and gms ... Then it becomes the greedy overpaid players ...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:19 pm EST

YORK: That is the problem. GORTHER has no leverage at all. He can go sign STAMKOS but right after that he is going to get screwed trying to shed contracts to get under the Cap.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:10 pm EST

Stamkos is not coming here unless you're dreaming that there is all this empty magic cap space to sign him without getting gouged everywhere else. Doesn't seem like anyone is in a quick hurry to help Gorther out of the bind everyone but the few blind fans who post here know he's in.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:09 pm EST

TD sorry that Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz didn't have the same dramatic effect without the PERIOD! It's okay you can put your clown shoes back in the closet now.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:06 pm EST

E you mention players Girardi in particular being paid for past performances and not future consideration, isn't that how 99% of contracts work? No one is paid well if they didn't play good. They aren't going to be paid 10 mil a season on the hopes that they will be better in the future with no sign of it in the past. That's why the Daigle rule was put in place so rookies couldn't be sickly over paid. It's a slippery slope but do you think Kanes contract was just based on his future performance or what he did prior to that contract coming up? There would be WAY more UFA every year top skilled ones if it went on tomorrows hope only.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:45 pm EST

TDCHI has mentioned a few of these, but the following didn't receiver qualifying offers and might be worth a FLyer or two for the Rangers depending on other moves---- Brandon PIRRI, Brett CONNOLY, Beau BENNETT, Devantae PELLEY-SMITH, Patrick WIERCIOCH, Jeremy MORIN

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:27 pm EST

E: Yep and for me (and some others) the kicker is this: We called for G to be traded in his contract year. The same thing with Staal, although not with quite the same sense of urgency given his younger age, higher skill and less wear and tear overall. I do understand the desire to keep an effective core together and therefore, the concern that trading one of these guys in the height of that core's effectiveness, but like it or not, part of a GM's responsibility is keeping an eye on things that are past the now. Sather is guilty as hell of not doing that for too long. Compounding that near-sightedness is in his (what I perceive to be) overwhelming urge to win a cup before he retires, he ended up making a series of trades where he clearly overpaid for what he was getting. I think (or like to anyways and whether I'm right or wrong will be born out in the next several days perhaps) that Gorton is cognizant of the mess Sather has left him and is very leery of making the same mistake, thereby worsening the situation. His Staal trade was more of the same - surely he is looking to do something far more future savvy (or at least not future compromising). It must be keeping him up at night....or should be....

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:23 pm EST

http://www.sportaddictions.com/nhl/new-york-rangers-nothing-matters-unless-gorton-fixes-one-thing/

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:23 pm EST

RF: Buch will be brought along slowly I'm sure. He's playing on the small rink. Less time and space. But I am not expecting a ton from him this season. Never know though. Contrary to some I've seen some players develop well under AV.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:16 pm EST

NHL Network Radio thought for the day that stuck with me. Paying top dollar for role players who have won the cup. Whether via free agent or investing in your own player. Pointed out that SCF experience is not any greater then playoff experience. Teams routinely overvalue a player based on winning. Pointed out Bickell, and Richards as great examples. Felt that you get a guy because he fits a role that you need period... That stated, I don't know where the New York Rangers are with that thinking. For certain, G was rewarded for past performance and not future contributions. When he should've been moved. Hindsight being what it is. New York Rangers gotta be prepared to cut bait sooner.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:44 pm EST

Well I certainly like Buch's confidence but for sure, we need to wait and see. I wonder how he'll react if/when he struggles and AV cuts his icetime or worse, wants him farmed out. That said, maybe he'll be a stand-out and compete for rookie of the year. Given the slow development of the Rangers latest 2 offensive prospects (Kreider and Miller) wouldn't it be nice if that happened?

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:37 pm EST

Pavel Buchnevich insisted Tuesday that he believes he is ready to play for the Rangers this season, and that his game can make the jump from Russia’s KHL to the bigger, faster NHL, even if he has plenty of physical work to do. “If I weren’t sure I wouldn’t come here,” Buchnevich said through translator Nickolai Bobrov, the team’s director of European scouting. Buchnevich, 21, is the top prospect in the Rangers organization, and was that even when Anthony Duclair was still a Ranger. The team tried to bring him to the NHL last season, but he felt he needed another year of “experience” in the KHL. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/28/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-if-i-werent-sure-i-wouldnt-come-here/#sthash.km14Gb2D.dpuf

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:36 pm EST

Would anyone consider bringing Brad Richards back for a year on a cheap contract as our 3rd line center?

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:31 pm EST

Dunno about Demers, but didn't the Kings give Lucic's agent permission 2 weeks ago to speak to all 29 teams? The question is rhetorical - yes they did so I suspect that includes the permission to negotiate a deal, probably with the hopes that the Kings, if it happens before July 1, get a mid-round pick. And 6 years for Lucic at the money he'll likely get is asiinine.

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:25 pm EST

Dhiren Mahiban ‏@dcmahiban ...... Lucic re: signing with Edmonton: "I didn't. Not allowed to. And I haven't made decision"

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:23 pm EST

Chris Nichols ‏@NicholsOnHockey ........ LeBrun/Stamkos: "I got the sense the Rangers were not going to be a player at this point." #NYR #TBLightning

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:20 pm EST

Hospo: I saw something that said the NYR spoke with Martin, but that after one conversation it was a non starter. Perhaps his agent made it clear he expected 3X the contract as before.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:18 pm EST

Nothing about who the Rangers might have talked to? The latest Matt martin list didn't mention the Rangers..I can see the following: Stamkos, Helm, Riley Nash, Grabner, McGin, Weise, Martin, Boedker.......D looks very slim

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:14 pm EST

I saw that "bullshit" tweet..Who knows..Odds are he signs with Edmonton

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:13 pm EST

DJ Bean ‏@DJ_Bean 31m31 minutes ago Milan Lucic just told me report he's agreed with Oilers is "bullshit."

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:12 pm EST

Hospo: From what I understand, teams can talk about how a player would be used. Benefits of playing for a team, like the MSG training center, and top end trainers, doctors and stuff. They can even talk about how many outside deals can be made for endorsements that current players have. They can't talk about length or value of a deal. I am sure however there are ways around that when they talk to the agents in order to get an idea about if they are close or not to being able to sign a guy.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:05 pm EST

York - ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz....You done yet?

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:04 pm EST

Lombardi gave other teams permission to negotiate.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:03 pm EST

WILD18/Yorl18 - I thought the same....It's a reporter from the Edmonton Sun reporting it..Whether he has inside info, I have no clue.........What cna these guys talk about in this pre-July 1 period..I thought it was anything but signing on the dotted line..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:02 pm EST

York: That was my thought...unless they were given permission. Lucie could have said "hey I am going to the Oilers no matter what" and they may have just giving them the blessing to talk numbers and work out a deal.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 5:01 pm EST

HOSPO very surprised thats tampering

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:59 pm EST

TD pressure what pressure is there to win a cup in NY? Did you just start being a fan of this franchise? There is no pressure here to win a cup, there is no pressure the Rangers take a back seat to the knicks, Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets there is no pressure. As for NYC being the best city period LMAO oh yeah what was I thinking you say it's so and so it is. LMAO and since you said period it makes it that much more of a solid statment. I haven't been in NYC very much or Boston? LMAO there you go another stupid comment you should have said period at the end because then you would have most certainly been correct. Actually when it comes to ice the players were polled a number of times and Edmonton is said to have the best ice, but hey players don't think about those things right? Best stadium in the world, it's an arena for starters. Need to make up your mind sir, if there is all this pressure in NY walking around unnoticed isn't going to happen, hence not any pressure PERIOD! (see what I did there, now I'm right LMAO) What do the caps have to do with the Rangers making stupid deals? Nothing, oh yeah we can wallow in comfort that there is a GM making bigger boneheaded moves? Great we have the second stupidest duo in the the league man is that a comfort, thank god we have perspective like this makes losing and stupid deals feel so much better, oh wait it doesn't.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:58 pm EST

Hospo: One must wonder if the Oilers had permission to do so. Teams are not supposed to talk numbers yet....unless they give permission for that.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:55 pm EST

From ZIP - Edmonton Journal reporting the Oilers have six year deals already worked out with LUCIC and DEMERS (SJ)

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:48 pm EST

andrei: WOW! SO you win face-offs with Duchene and than promptly have a goal scored against when he refuses to use his teammates and turns the puck over but doesn't even attempt to get back to the defensive zone. Great. Just great. lets improve at the dot while allowing more goals against and adding a non team guy who has not accomplished anything and was excited about the world championships while his team was still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:45 pm EST

Wildcard, i'm sorry dude, but a center that can't win a face-off and is #79 in the league, is not a number 1, and barely number 2... I'l take Dushene over Stepan.

andrei


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:43 pm EST

Vic - are you using the 2014 Olympics as a benchmark to say Step isn't as good as Kesler or Stastny? Guy was 23 years old. Both those guys were vets of international competition and had played on the silver medal team in 2010. And then there's the obvious: That was two years ago.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:39 pm EST

And. IMWO, a better option than Ryan Nugent Hopkins, the player most frequently mentioned for teams looking for top 6/2nd line centers...I just don't want to see Gorton sell short on a valuable trade asset if it's the way ww go

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:38 pm EST

LOL...There you go York. Arguing to read yourself argue. 1. I don’t live in Connecticut. Kind of dislike the state, TBH. 2. NYC: Best city. Period. And if you think the Rangers have even a fifth of the pressure the B’s do, then you haven’t been to either city very much. 3. Garden ice? For real? When was the last time you heard a hockey player say “MAN I’m glad I don’t play for the Rangers because of that damn ice.” No, actually, most of them say MSG is the best stadium in the nation to play in. 4. There's a big diference between walking around as an unknown and being a superstar when you want to be a superstar...and being unknown when you want to be unknown...Can do that in NYC. Can't do squat in Columbus...Can't believe I'm even bothering responding...But whatever. You’re just being argumentative. And no, it’s called perspective bud. You have folks around here who depict Gorton/Sather as this bumbling duo over the friggin’ Hags trade and how the Rangers give up this and that and blah blah blah…perspective dude. When was the last time the Caps won the cup? Oh yeah. Never.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:36 pm EST

the new 91 for now......http://bcove.me/jqpw4tgn

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:36 pm EST

VIC - Depends on the team make-up and what you need..I would take Kesler also if I needed size/FO ability down the middle--like the Rangers do......Step is a differnt type of player.......As for Stastny vs Step...I pretty ,much find them the same exact player..but Step is 4 years younger....These are all good players wit h Step, as an indivudual as good or better now and for the future (4 years youngerthan Stasny, 56 years yiunger than Kessler)...decent to good contract and he should have high value around the league for a team looking for offense and some all around play in the Top 6

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:29 pm EST

Vic: yes...because we all know the best players always make national teams....and as I said, Stepa and Stastny are VERY close to each other, but Step is younger, and that has something to do with it as well...Step was just 24, maybe 25 depending on birthdate I didn't figure that out, during the Olympics. And boy oh boy where would team USA have been with out the 2 goals and zero assists from Stastny. Perhaps they should have played Step.....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:25 pm EST

2 ways to go add more goal scoring after being 7th in the league . Or fix the defensive game to be better than 15 th in the league... Or better yet do both ....sign stamkos and take away one of weeknow ' s excuses so either he succeeds or gets canned ...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:24 pm EST

HOSPO: KESSLER and STATSNY played for Team USA while STEPAN sat. Clearly they were considered better by Team USA.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:23 pm EST

VIC: There are MULTIPLE teams who have LESS at C than the Rangers, they want Stamkos to take over as #1 and move their current #1 to the second line. They would gladly take Step to improve their overall C position.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:21 pm EST

Stamkos is 10000 times the defensive player Duchene is. And has more heart and team identity than Duchene has even had. Duchene (duchess as he is known by many) may be faster and get more points, but he doesn't help a team win. No way no how would I trade Step for Duchess, no way.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:20 pm EST

So far fishboy's retool looks like a refool... He has to dip into the ufa pool just to save face .... Or he can continue to go with coming close but no cigar line ...had a big one on the line but he got away ...

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:18 pm EST

WILD: Easy now. I am just listing comparable players from a position or contract perspective. I also listed SEGUIN. STEPAN isn't even on the same planet as SEGUIN as a player. As for DUCHENE, I'm sorry but DUCHENE is a way more talented player then STEPAN. From offensive ability to skating it isn't really even close. STEPAN is a better defensive player. But what are the Rangers looking for in STAMKOS? Certainly they aren't going after STAMKOS for his defensive game right? The Rangers need game breaking offensive talent. STEPAN has never been and will never be that. That is why I fired back at you when you suggested that other teams would fall back to STEPAN as option B if STAMKOS goes elsewhere. There is no way I buy that. It may be true from the Rangers perspective because he is already here and because there are no better alternatives available.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:18 pm EST

They are bigger and more physical, but the game is going away from that..And STep was all over the lineup the last two years, AV preferring Brass as his number 1..And none of them killed penalties as good as Step or scored shorthanded..And Stepan is very sound positionally./defenseively......Just as a quick look....STEP 140 G 108 Points +31 68 Blocks 24 PPP 9 SHP.....Staal 128/72 points/even/46 blks/17 PPP/ 2 SHP.........................Kesler 160/100 pts/even/161 blocks/26 PPP/4 SHP.............Stastny 138 GP/121 points/+8/70 Blocks/29 PP/0 PKP.......And Stepan is the youngst by far,.....I am not a Stepan fan,,.I just think you're trying too hard to dismiss him

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:11 pm EST

and I wont even touch Dubi being a better player....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:08 pm EST

Duchene is NOTHING compared to Stepan. He is a one dimensional me first non team player that has never accomplished a damn thing in his 7 year NHL career. The fact that you even list him as a comparable is laughable. Stastny is a SLIGHTLY more offensive player but not as good defensively as Step. I have seen a LOT of Stastny. He and Step are very close to the same player, neither are first line centers. And Staal doesn't even score at the same pace as Stepan. In one breath you call Duchene a comparable and it MUST be based only on production becsaue he has no defensive game to speak of, and than Staal is better but scores less. You are completely all over the map.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 4:06 pm EST

HOSPO: Sure STEPAN has been better then most of those guys over the last few years because he has been the in the #1 Center role for most of that time and has been a fixture on the #1 PP. But guys like KESSLER and STAAL are bigger, more physical and much more difficult to play against, especially in the playoffs. Again I agree with you, we will see what happens over the next week.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:59 pm EST

TD no it's not oerspective, it's excusing ones failure by trying to lessen the blow by pointing to someone else's failure. That is what weak minded people do to correct sole their failure instead if owning it. They say well this guy screwed up too so what, doesn't change the fact of your screw up nor make it any less significant. Your idea that NY is some great place if it's so great why do you live in ct? I know plenty of people who don't like NY. Another thing the ice sucks at msg especiky come spring ask anyone who has played on that ice. You a t like my is the be all end all Boston is absolutely comparable Toronto and if he's looking to not be bothered when he's not playing plenty of places for that Carolina Columbus are college sports town hockey players can walk the streets there around the arena not bothered bumped into my buddy clooch in Columbus before a bjs game years ago he was walking around the arena outside no one bothering him

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:57 pm EST

RF4L - I think the STAMKOS situation is jamming up the whole league. I can't remember a draft day that was as slow as last week. And I mean ZILCHO is going down...just small trades of little consequence. YANDLE was the biggest name dealt, followed by SHAW and ANDERSEN...think things will start hopping the minute that guy inks...but until then...all quiet on the western front.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:46 pm EST

Hospo – Yeah, I think I kind of missed the point of what you were asking…if it’s “who is ready behind Buch for top six duty?” Answer: No one. JENSEN is a maybe…but I’m not sold on him having top-six potential. Could be a FAST/LINDBERG-type player…TAMBELLINI is next up. Kid has a world-class release…but the rest of his game is fairly pedestrian. I see NIEVES breaking in much the same way Lindberg did. But no doubt, there’s a dearth of top-six talent in Hartford. Buch falters, they’re going to either need to look outside the organization or promote someone like Lindberg or Fast…assuming HAYES is dealt...HRIVIK definitely not top six...but I wouldn't be surprised to see him start as the fourth-line center, depending on what happens with the Stamkos sweepstakes.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:34 pm EST

VIC - Honestly, if you put the stats (including special teams) of J. Staal, Stastny, Kesler and Stepan for the last two years next to each other, STEPAN would be the winner (and I'm surprised) with only Stastny putting up an arguement...Stepan is a good all around player..Only place he takes a back seat is FOs and hits and hits don't matter anymore...Add in the fact that STEP is 26 vs Staal (28); Stasny (30) and Kesler (32),,,Stepan is the best bang for the buck...As for Marchand, I'd rather have him too but, face it, his salary of 5 mill will be going UP next year when he becomes a UFA...Bottom line, Step is a good player and a pretty fair/decent contract compared to others...I jsut don't like him and Brass together and one should be dealt....Stepan is easier befoer the NMC kicks in...We'll see if the Rangers want to trade him and what they can get in return

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:29 pm EST

tdchi: I totally agree with your assessment re: Stamkos in NY. It is the media capital of the world. The NHL tried and continues to make Crosby their poster boy and it has not worked. One he plays in Pittsburg and two he an ass. Stamkos in NY would be akin to the attention received when Messier was here. Endorsements are one piece. The ego inflating notoriety of being the centerpiece of NHL marketing may be more important.

gene_carr


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:09 pm EST

STRANGER NATION on JUNE 28, 2016 3:12 PM I quick look at ESPN stats, NYR was 7th in Goals/Game http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/team/_/stat/scoring/sort/goals . Bigger issue was goals against – 15th (and that is with Henk standing on his head in Oct/Nov) - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/27/rangers-development-camp-restricted-free-agents-status-hhof-inductees-etc/#prettyPhoto

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:04 pm EST

WILD: STAAL, STATSNEY and KESSLER are all better players then STEPAN. DUBI was considered a bad contract at $5.8 Mil per year and I think he is the better player as well. Do you want to go team by team and look at comparable players and what they are making. Like HENRIQUE who is making $4 Mil or SCHEIFELE who is making $830k. Or MARCHAND at $5 Mil or DUSCHENE at $6 Mil or SEGUIN at $6 Mil, or COYLE at $2.6. We can keep going on down the list. In the end none of this matters. As HOSPO said, we will see how things go down in reality over the next week or so.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:00 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/canucks-gm-jim-benning-fined-50000-for-tampering-following-comments-about-stamkos-subban/

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:58 pm EST

http://blogs.northjersey.com/ranger-rants/buchnevich-confident-in-making-adjustment-to-nhl-1.1623070

RDW


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:38 pm EST

cerebral coach attracts cerebral players....a regular think tank....anyone for chess.....?.....a mind is a serious thing to waste... mind over matter...if you don't mind, it don't matter.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:30 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/rangers-attempt-sign-trade-tampa-stamkos/

puckyou


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:26 pm EST

My name is Hayes. I make lots of plays. Plays for the other team but I see myself as a real playmaker.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:15 pm EST

""I am a thinking player, a cerebral player, a playmaker"- #NYR prospect Pavel Buchnevich....Just what we need, another passer....Step has gotta go! ;)

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:01 pm EST

WILD - True about the FA's also...It's not that the Rangers aren't ready to deal yet, it might be the orher teams...Looking at UFAs, there's very little of interest for the Rangers (No offensive D-men, and a few forwards that will be too high priced (LAdd, Backes) other then some bottom six players....They could trade now.....Other teams may want to fill first...

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 2:01 pm EST

Could be that if Step could fetch a 1st-he'd have been dealt at the draft-or maybe just a late first. Either way-it's tough for the Rangers who have to deal good players to make room and risk NOT getting Stamkos and be put in a bad spot

puckyou


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:58 pm EST

I've seen Buch highlights and saw him play in bits and pieces-but the pic from prospect camp in a t shirt shows you what an absolute string bean this kid is. He needs to start bench pressing asap-he can't hold down a movie seat!

puckyou


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:57 pm EST

RF4L: I read something that was focused on Stamkos, but was also in regards to all UFAs. Teams have a UFA as play A due to not having to give up assets, and if they need to move a guy for cap space they can later. Plan B is making a trade. SO with that, as teams figured out they are out of the running for some player or they actually lose out they will begin to re-open trade talks. It does make sense, I mean, teams that are smart will find out all their options before making a move. I imagine Gorton is doing that, and just about every other GM is looking at things the same way. Hopefully coming closer to Friday and over the weekend things will break free.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:57 pm EST

WILD - Exactly on Stepan's salary..He's a valuable player, and it's fair......RF4L - It's not just Gorton's inactivity, the entire league is inactive now, at least on the surface...Just give it a few days

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:54 pm EST

If we sign STAMKOS, filling out the roster won't be easy. We might actually have to bring back Chris HIGGINs, who will be very cheap.

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:51 pm EST

Look at the list of NHL contracts. There are 4 or 5 centers who are NOT better than Stepan who make as much or more than Stepan, there are quite a few more who make within a million below him. Jordan Staal is not a 1st line center and just makes 500K less than Step, Stastny is not better, and he makes 500K more. Kessler is at 6.875 and is no first line center. SO why is it that Stepan making 6.5 means he makes too much for a 2nd line spot? Seems to me 2nd line centers tend to make...Hell Dubi makes 5.85 per.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:51 pm EST

BTW, heard earlier today that Dale Weise is being courted by 10 teams........

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:49 pm EST

So I wonder if Gorther's inactivity is all due to his focus/hope on landing Stamkos. If so, what is plan B and how soon will he trigger that if/when he learns Stamkos has opted to go elsewhere............

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:44 pm EST

VIC - Where we disagree, I think they can trade all of STEP, NASH, Girardi/Staal, and Hayes...and get some value in return as well as get uder the Cap....But, we shall see soon enough..as the useless opinions give way to reality,..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:41 pm EST

HOSPO: It all comes down to fitting under the Cap. If they have to pay $12.5 Mil against the cap per year for STAMKOS then just to cove that they need to shed that much against the Cap. That means STEPAN and one of GIRARDI/STAAL just to get that done. If they take any contracts back then they need to shed somewhere else. And I don't think they will trade NASH. I think you need NASH if you are bringing in STAMKOS. Adding a number 1 center but having to part with 2 top 6 forwards in the process isn't going to make them much better.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:41 pm EST

VIC - I'm no huge STEP fan, but think you really under-rating him.....I hate the BRASS-STEP duo (and lazy HAYES makes it 10 times worse), but individually, both are quite good 2nd line centers....And Step is as smart as they come on the ice and plays both the PP and PK....His contract will be fair for his value and I don't think teams will run and hide from it...

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:37 pm EST

TDCHO - I was thinking mainly offensively talented/able to play with Top 6 or other talented players.....I've seen HRVIK enough, 4th line/black ace nothing else.......I could see Jensem maybe starting on a 4th line......Nieves may reach that point but not yet.....Looks like BUCH or Bust for talent/goals..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:35 pm EST

WILD: Are you suggesting that the teams that are lining up to bid on STAMKOS are doing so because they just need a Center? The Rangers have no interest in STAMKOS because they need a Center. They are only interested in STAMKOS because he is light years better they anyone they have. And they would jettison STEPAN in a heartbeat to make room for STAMKOS. STEPAN was an attractive target when he was under 25 and making $3.5 Mil per year. But at 26 we already know what he is. And at $6.5 Mil per year what he is is and overpaid 2nd line Center. He is not a bargain that teams who were looking for a #1 Center are going to lineup for.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:33 pm EST

VIC - It doens't have to be an all or nothing thing with STEP...You obviously trade him to a team that is looking for a TOP 6 center, and there are many teams looking for one..You don't try and bury the entire contract bit instead obtain a lesser player (buit still valuable NHLer and paid less) and maybe a pic/prospect in return......You can do the same with Nash, Staal/Giradi ..dumping the salary..and maybe obtain a young NHL ready player (1-2 mill contract or so) in return..At least, that's what you try for...It may be ther, it may not be..It may have to be a total dump

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:32 pm EST

Vic - You're assuming that teams view STEPAN'S contract as bad. I do not make that assumption at all. The only reason there is talk about Step being moved is that he's the easiest contract TO move. You're just dead wrong on this. If you really want to doom-and-gloom the potential of a Stamkos signing, the lower hanging fruit is the chance of an offer sheet for any one of the Rangers' RFAs. Now THAT is a potential pitfall, not this ridiculous notion that they're gonna lose Step for a second rounder.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:29 pm EST

Hospo - Never seen KOVACS, but I've heard he's going to take some seasoning. Allegedly, the kid STROMWELL is closer than he is...from my perspective, I think in order of readiness in Hartford, you have JENSEN, HRIVIK...then outside of that? I think TAMBELLINI could make a jump next year, but still seems like he needs a few games at the AHL level...he's got an NHL release though, so I could see it happening...just probably not to start the season...and then NIEVES might not be far...again, haven't seen him play in person, but with the assignment the Pack was giving him this spring, they obviously hold him in pretty high regard. He basically stepped onto a team in a desperate fight for the playoffs and was handed the second-line center's position. Tell you what though: I'd be pretty taken back if BUCHNEVICH doesn't make the team. I don't think he'd be on this side of the Atlantic were it not for them telling him there's a roster spot for him to lose.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:29 pm EST

And as for STAMKOS.......First and foremost it is about the money. After the money the next factor is the money. And after that he will make his decision based on the money. You want STAMKOS????? Then throw more money at him then anyone else. I'm sure he wants to play close to home.....unless someone wants to throw more money at him. I'm sure he would like to play with EICHEL and the team they are building in Buffalo.....unless someone wants to throw more money at him.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:29 pm EST

Vic: Try half the teams who need a C who tried and failed to get Stamkos. They will still need a C and they don't grow on trees with the ability of Step at his age to play in all 3 zones.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:28 pm EST

Vic: they can waive him if he allows it for purposes of a buyout. If not it would be like Richards, he was just bought out because he didn't want to get selected by just any team. and wanted a choice of where to play. I imagine Giradi would fall in the same boat, especially with a family.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:25 pm EST

TD: On STEPAN, you are completely ignoring the fact that any trading partner would have to be willing to take on all $6.5 Mil per year Cap hit of STEPAN's contract without being able to send an unwanted contract back in return. That means that you either have to find someone with that much Cap space burning a hole in their pocket, or a team that is willing to try to fit him in under their cap by moving other contracts that they value. I don't think there are that many suitors when you take into account what has to happen in any deal with the Rangers. Like I said, you can try to start a bidding war but I don't think you are going to find too many folks interested in participating in a bidding war for an overpaid 2nd line Center.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:21 pm EST

Before anyone jumps on my I realize my SNAFU on suggesting that the Rangers can waive GIRARDI. I don't believe they can with his NMC unless he agrees to it.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:21 pm EST

Why would STAMKOS come to New York? Hmmm...Maybe because it's one of the best cities on the planet. One of the best arenas in the NHL. It's a place where you can be a superstar and avoid the limelight like no other professional athlete can. Because he would be the center of the franchise. Because they will make him a very rich man. Because the Rangers have a very good team still that really only lacks a player of his caliber. Because the Rangers experience some of the best treatment by the organization than any other team in the NHL...perks many other teams don't get... Because he doesn't need to be captain and doesn't have to lead as such, but can if he wants...Because its a franchise that has been among the most winning in the past five years. Because the Rangers are the largest market in the NHL and he'd probably get millions of dollars in endorsements alone by moving there...I don't know who the front runner is for Stamkos and I wouldn't be surprised if he signs elsewhere...but there are more than enough compelling reasons to come to New York if they throw the kind of contract he wants his way. I'm always amazed when folks here talk about the Rangers like their a tire fire. Very few NHLers have spurned their advances, often to our collective chagrin. I suspect if the Rangers want Stamkos, they can get him. There aren't many other teams that can offer the same package they can.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:18 pm EST

E - I don't know, he or they may think he's ready but....new country, new languages, new league, more physical (guy is slight). more discpline and resposnibility required....I don't think it's a given he will be in the NHL line-up from Day 1....but it's what is wanted by everybody

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:11 pm EST

Hospo: I don't think he would've left the KHL if he wasn't gonna play in the NHL. Who really knows but given a state where he is completely overwhelmed in the NHL I just can't see him not in the lineup. And like we all know, he is it. Go big or go home.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:10 pm EST

York - Perspective. It's called perspective.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 1:08 pm EST

Vic - I understand the dynamics just fine. I also know there are 28 other teams that would pay more than a second rounder for STEPAN if one GM were stupid enough to offer that deal. Like if Sharks offered a second rounder for Step, you don't think Gorton would be on the horn bidding him up to everyone else? And if you're the Ducks or the Kings, are you going to sit there and let an asset like Step go to a rival for chump change? F-no. Like I said: C'mon. You're talking utter nonsense right now. You're basically saying there are 29 GMs in this league that will collude so that one can make out like a bandit and that's total BS....as for DRAISAITL...I don't recall ever seeing or clicking a link from a viable news source you posted that was anything short of musing...couple weeks ago, there were boobs that were claiming Rutherford was talking to the Hawks about MALKIN. Was he? F-no. Did the thought cross his mind? Nope. He put that rumor to be pretty quickly. Didn't stop it from making the rounds on Twitter and the rumor sites. But total BS...Drais was NEVER in play. I mean, again...the guy wasn't ready for the NHL...he goes back to juniors and lights up the place..wins the WHL championship...is MVP...et cetera. If there WAS a window when he was available, it was before the Oilers picked him. He's been about as untouchable as they come since then. And yes, "even Gretzky was traded." We've all heard that line. But there was positively no way the Oil were going to give up a guy like that for the Rangers' backup goaltender, a third liner and their top center. Agreed that Step is a gem and agreed that other teams value him...but for Drais? Nope. Sorry bud. And another thing...you're talking about the Oilers...a team that is well-known for sitting on their assets until they're worthless(see YAKUPOV, PAAJARVI, and GAGNER)...this is a team that couldn't shit or get off the pot if you gave them a laxative.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:59 pm EST

If BUCH is not ready, is there any other offensively talented prospect that can make the jump?....What about this KOVACS kid? Too far away?

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:59 pm EST

guess Friday all will know.....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:49 pm EST

If we don't sign STAMKOS, I hope STEP is taking some power skating lessons this summer becasue the guy needs to get faster...Has all the brains, instincts, skilll,..but without the physicality, a little more speed would be nice..

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:47 pm EST

I say maybe 2 the nyr and the laffs.....maybe detroit .....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:45 pm EST

As many here have said there is no reason why STAMKOS would want to sign with the Rangers over the other options that he will have. In fact, you would have to believe that there is little to no chance of him coming to the Rangers. Unless...............the Rangers blow him away with the offer they make. That is why I believe it will take $12.5 Mil per for the Rangers to sign him (if not more) on a 7 or 8 year deal. Basically, if you throw enough money at him he will sign here. That is the game you have to be ready to play. And then you have to be ready to shed salary by essentially jettisoning players with little regard to obtaining fair value in return. You just need to shed contracts to fit STAMKOS. Trade STEPAN for whatever you can get that does not add a contract to your roster. Find someone who will basically take GIRARDI off your hands. Worse case you pass him through waivers and just let someone claim him. There are options here folks. They aren't pretty though. The Rangers have to decide if they want to play this game first. And if they do they need to see it through to the painful end.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:40 pm EST

how many would he really want to sign with ? ......http://www.sportsbreak.com/nhl/8-teams-steven-stamkos-should-leave-tampa-for/?streamview=all

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:40 pm EST

BOB - I agree..That lin-up was just fantasy based on Stamkos coming, which i don't think will happen.....If you don't sign STAMKSO, I agree that BACKES is not an option and you don't deal STEPAN unless you fond a different but equal center..(doubtful)...You won't win this year, but you still have to keep him

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:35 pm EST

Can't believe that Stamkos will come to NY. Backes is not an option because he is already slowing down and will cost too much. Trading Stepan is fine, but not without a replacement. Maybe JT Miler can be that. Maybe.

Bob


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:34 pm EST

E - And why I put him in the line-up deswpite my usual caution with kids...There's a good chance he may not be ready (all aroundgame and strength) but odds on the Rangers will do EVERYTHING to have him on the roster

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:29 pm EST

HOSPO/ I think Buch is playing on night-1. What line? Not sure.

E


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:14 pm EST

Good points on STAMKOS..Don't think we have a snowball's chance in Hades for him but he is the right move for the Rangers,,,needs to be follwed by or in parallel with the dealing of NASH,STEP ,one of Staal/Girardi, Kevin Hayes and maybe more in several trades for Cap relief/picks, a YOUNG RH offensive d-man, and a solid bigger 3rd C........Then you fill in at FA with guys like Stalberg, Weise, Grabenr....and the promotion of Jensen....Unfortunately, alot of this hinges on BUCH coming right in and playing...One rosterbation session and maybe we could end up with...MZA-Stamkos-Miller; Kreider-Brass-BUCH; Fast-Coyle-Grab/FA; Stalberg-R.nash/Moore-Jensen (Lindberger later on).........with MCD, Klein,Brodin or Theodore, Skeji, Staal or Girardi, Mcilrath, holden on D...But yeah, I still think Mcilrath gets thrown in a deal somewhere.....Sorry, I was bored...

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:08 pm EST

There's got to be a limit where you say I'm not paying more for X player...

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:00 pm EST

Re: Evander Kane: Isn't it about time Commissioner Bettman read this guy the riot act ???

mf


Tue Jun 28 2016 11:50 am EST

TD I don't care if another gm screws up I care if the gm if mine team screws up I hope every other tea. J. The leagues GMs screw up better for the rangers.

York18


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:36 am EST

RF4L.......not only that, but imagine if Stamkos doesn't sign there because of him.............this "dude" has become a disaster for their franchise.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:30 am EST

WILD: I don't disagree with any of that. However, the Rangers are a team that is in a closing window. Toronto and Buffalo are teams that will be on the rise for the next 5+ years. Does that matter to STAMKOS? I believe that it will need to be $12.5 Mil per for the Rangers to outbid those other teams that are closer to home an are more attractive long term opportunities. The Rangers always have to overpay. Why should this be any different?

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 10:14 am EST

Vic: most are talking 10-11 mil. Not 12.5. He has somethings he wants. Large market. Near his home. Toronto has both those in spades, but the largest market is NYC and it would be a quick hop on a plane to get to his hometown so perhaps that's close enough. No team could easily absorb 12.5 mil and for his criteria. He dosnt want to goto a crap team I would think, I'm sure he wants to be on a competitive team....so it's not like there will be 29 other teams looking at him.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:45 am EST

TD: I don't think you really understand the dynamics here. If the Rangers sign STAMKOS for what I think they will need to (about $12.5 Mil per year) the 800 lb gorilla in the room becomes Cap Space. The return they need from a STEPAN deal isn't equal value in a player. The return they need from a STEPAN deal is Cap Relief. The player named Cap Relief becomes the most important player in the deal. So if the Rangers trade STEPAN they need to get the player known as Cap Relief in return first and foremost. And not just the Cap Relief of any player. The Cap relief of a player making $6.5 Mil against the Cap. And you want a first rounder on top of that plus a legit prospect? I would tell you to go screw yourself if I was the GM on the other end of the phone. STEPAN is a good player but he is a #2 Center. I think you are going to be extremely disappointed with the return if STEPAN is dealt after they sign STAMKOS.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:38 am EST

TD: I posted the links to the articles last year when you said the same thing. There were articles out of Edmonton saying "The time to move DRAISAITL is now". There were people worried that he wasn't going to pan out. That he wasn't going to develop into a #1 type center and that the best time to move him was then because they still could have gotten a good return for him. Once he showed he wasn't going to be a #1 Center the return would have dropped considerably. The articles were out there. And if the media around the Oilers were thinking it then the Oilers had to have it as a concern as well. Did they ever come out and say "we are actively shopping DRAISAITL"? Of course not. But if the right offer were there (you know the kind from the Rangers that I mentioned that would have addressed several key needs for them) I have no doubt it would have been considered. Just like the Rangers with McDONAGH, SKJEI or BUCHNEVICH. The Rangers have no desire to trade any of them and you won't find an article that suggests they are shopping them or have any interest in moving them. But if the right deal came along GORTHER would help each of them pack their bags. So please stop with the DRAISAITL wasn't available. Everyone is available. How about this. Show me an article that shows the Rangers even tried.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:31 am EST

LOL..second round pick for STEPAN?!! C'mon man. You're smarter than that. There would be a lot of bodies moved before THAT deal ever came to pass. I mean, I get that you're down on the team and you have every right to be. But that's crazy talk.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 9:01 am EST

Vic - show me one viable news source that says the Oil were ever even thinking about moving DRAISTL. You can't. The only thing they did was decide he wasn't ready and sent him back to juniors. He was, is and always has been a stud. They would have traded every other guy on their roster save for HALL and the McDAVID pick before moving Drais. And if they WERE gonna move him, it'd be for a hell of a lot more than Step, Hags and Talbot. I don't know where you got this notion that he was ever on the market, but it's wrong. That said, I think if you packaged those players you might have been able to get something nice. Maybe JOHANSEN. But nothing close to the player STAMKOS is. He's one of the top 10 players in the league. Very rarely does a player like this hit the open market. Getting him for money would be a coup for New York the likes we haven't seen since MESSIER was acquired for what amounted to chump change. Yeah, he'd put us in a difficult situation. But it's a difficult situation down the road...NTM...if the Rangers DO trade Step...which I think they will if Stamkos signs...and maybe even if he doesn't...they're gonna get a real nice haul of prospects...probably a first rounder and an NHL ready player and a minor leaguer who needs another year. The Rangers will need to shoot the moon to get Stammer...but it's a clear and easy way for them to both retool AND get better at the same time.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:59 am EST

WILDCARD: Would it have been a bold move? You bet. But it would have been the kind of High Risk, High Reward deal that I would have been in favor of instead of the Stupid Risk, No Reward deals that the Rangers specialize in. And really, what risk would there have been? TALBOT was not in the Rangers plans. He had proven himself but wasn't going to displace HANK. STEPAN was clearly not a #1 Center and wasn't ever going to be. He is a good all around player who could really help a team playing behind a great #1 Center. And Edmonton was getting that great #1 Center in the draft (McDAVID). STEPAN would have been the perfect compliment to McDAVID. Experienced with solid work habits and the knowledge of what it takes to go deep into the playoffs. He would have been a valuable addition to the Oilers. And HAGS? Nobody appreciates him more then me. That would have been the toughest give-up. And maybe it could be YANDLE instead of HAGS allowing the Rangers to resign him. But the Rangers didn't value HAGS. So if he was going to be dealt anyway I'd rather it be in an attempt to land the #1 Center of the future.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:42 am EST

Newf: And what an asinine trade by Tim Murray. Everyone knew Kane is/was a screw-up and really, what's he accomplished on the ice in anything remotely sustained? Zippo.

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:41 am EST

I knew we should've picked up Evander Kane for the" rough stuff" when we had a chance...........oh wait..........maybe not , cause this is not a" woman's league" !..........old Evander was at it again , roughing up two woman on separate occasions over the weekend. What a guy , what a man !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:37 am EST

Trying to sign stamkos has to be a nyr priority . I can't imagine saton not trying . I'm sure they rather be in cap hell with him than still be there without him .

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:33 am EST

first year not first game....man I am on a roll today...

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:15 am EST

sorry...0.24 ppg in his first year. Stamos had .58 ppg in his first game.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:13 am EST

Vic: Your making an big assumption based on less than 2 full seasons of NHL action for a player. Doing that last year after the guy was a .58 ppg player would have been crazy. I am sorry, but saying that kid is Stamkos level is a bit premature.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:05 am EST

WILDCARD: No, you misunderstand. If the Rangers acquired DRAISAITL last year they wouldn't even need to be in the STAMKOS sweepstakes at all. They would have their #1 Center for the next 10 years.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 8:00 am EST

if the nyr can get stamkos , they need to delay the announcement to try and get some value for guys they need to move to make cap space. but as almost usual they will get less than worth, just as mostly overpaying in trades. I get the feeling when the nyr call any team, an alarm goes off. ...pull their pants down.....with very few exceptions.....must be another buttman conspiracy...lol....wait, it's not really funny....

stevielegs


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:52 am EST

COMark: Thing is, Stepan has already been shopped....so its not like they would only do it for Stamkos, and I think they will move him possibly regardless, so if they even have the inkling they will get Stamkos I think he gets moved.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:50 am EST

RF4L: I think buying out Girardi is stupid and a bad move. HOWEVER its a way they could free up cap space to fit Stamkos, so Brooks saying it can't be done shows he is a moron. It can be both ways, that a buyout would create the space, but it would still be a boneheaded move because NEXT season and the season after the buyout cost doubles....so there would be a new cap crunch and a good player likely would need to be moved to make room for Girardis dead cap hit.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:47 am EST

Vic: you couldn't be more incorrect about Stepan. If last summer they traded Step and the reason was "Stamkos will be a UFA and we will sign him after next season" You would, and rightly so, along with everyone else think the Rangers had lost their minds. Trading Step AFTER you get a top end center like Stamkos is not admitting you did anything wrong because you kept one of your top two centers the year before you even knew that top guy would be a UFA. Girdi maybe you could make that statement...but even then, no one KNEW Giradi would have such an off year, and if they can't get him moved now, he could end up being better being healthy to start and perhaps he gets moved during the season. Anyway, moving guys to make room for Stamkos does not mean you were wrong to sign them originally....every GM would do that if they could.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:46 am EST

Vic, agreed. Least summer was the time to deal Stepan. And right on that the Rangers can't sign Stamkos without shopping someone out or the value (if any) drops exponentially with GMs knowing we have to unload salary. The good news about the week of discussion period is the brass will know if they are in the running. If no trades happen by Thursday I think it is safe to assume we are no longer in the Stamkos sweeps.

ColoradoMark


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:46 am EST

CoMark: The reality is most kids cannot translate a decent junior career into an NHL gig....

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:44 am EST

Wild: Weren't you drilling me the other day for suggesting Girardi get bought out - next year??

RF4L


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:43 am EST

Wild- That would be ridiculous. If the Rangers can't get fair value now, they would basically have to give everyone away, bc every team would know they're strapped and have no choice to get back under the cap. Other teams would demand even more.

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:42 am EST

I guess "surprised" was the wrong word! Bummed that some of those guys didn't translate a decent junior career to a pro one, but I really hasn't seen enough of them over the last three years to pass judgement. I'm actually glad that we have some spots for newbies

ColoradoMark


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:37 am EST

Stamkos at 10 mil per seems like a steal when i saw an article saying Frans Nielsen could get around 6 million per year?? How is this possible??

Higgy21


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:34 am EST

WILDCARD: Trading STEPAN and GIRARDI/STAAL for futures is technically easy but I'm guessing it would be the hardest thing for GORTHER to do. Doing so is an admission that they screwed up on those contracts. It is an admission that they should have moved those players (especially STEPAN) in a bigger trade last summer to get a better return. I made the case 12 months ago that the Rangers could have approached Edmonton with a deal for DRAISAITL that included STEPAN, TALBOT and HAGS. At the time Edmonton had questions as to whether or not DRAISAITL was going to be an impact player in the NHL. He had seen a call-up or two previously and did not impress. Once last season started, and DRAISAITL exploded, any chance of dealing for him was gone. But back to the present. If the Rangers trade after signing STAMKOS everyone around the league will know the Rangers are up against it and need to move salary. They would be lucky to get back a 2nd round pick for STEPAN. What they would need to do is to try to start a bidding war for him but I have my doubts as to how many teams would be so interested as to engage in a bidding war for an overpaid 2nd line Center. So that makes it difficult to make those trades as well. Is GORTHER willing to trade STEPAN for a 3rd round pick and a borderline AHL player. Can his ego handle getting fleeced like that?

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:34 am EST

HockeyStatMiner ‏@HockeyStatMiner Rangers could sign Stamkos for $12 mil/yr on July 1, remain under cap, and have rest of summer to move the pieces to be cap-compliant.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:09 am EST

Vic: Gettign Step shipped out for just futures would be easy. There are teams that don't want to give up roster players to improve, and if a roster player came back it would be a Dman to replace Giradi or Staal on the roster, and thats something you would need to do anyway and likely not as expensive.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:06 am EST

Proof that Larry Brooks is a moron who just likes to stir the pot. Says with Holden on the cap and with the RFAs to sign that the Rangers can not afford Stamkos. UUummmm....trade Step, Nash (even retaining salary) Trading of buying out Giradi, Trading Staal. Not all of those would be needed. HOWEVER Stepan would go if Stamkos got signed, I mean, probably before the signing was announced. Step would account for 6.5 of the likely 10 or so needed for Stamkos, buying out Giradi would come up with just about the rest of it. That would be without moving anything else and not adding much if at all to the cap hit of the entire team last season. Anyway, Brooks you rand idiot. Would it be "easy" of course not...but it can be done easier than he implies.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 7:04 am EST

If the Rangers are able to sign STAMKOS you can forget about all of these other guys out there. It will be all the Rangers can do to cut salary just to fit STAMKOS. As mentioned they will need to trade STEPAN and GIRARDI/STAAL for only non-roster prospects and picks. They can't take any salary back in those deals. Then they need to get all of their RFAs resigned. With the 1 or 2 slots left they will need to promote someone making peanuts in Hartford. They don't have money for MARTIN, SCHULTZ, CONNELY, COLBOURN or anyone else that is going to make more then $1 Mil per year. Now, if they don't sign STAMKOS they can look into some of that "filler" but really what would be the point? It isn't like any of those guys are going to make them even marginally better.

Vic


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:36 am EST

Incidentally, the Caps didn't qualify Michael LATTA...only reason I bring this up is because he's the final piece from the fated Martin ERAT trade...now anyone who wants to point at the Hags deal and say it was 'the worst ever' or gripe about any number of Sather/Gorton deals...Look at what McPhee gave up to rent Erat for a season and a half.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:32 am EST

Hospo - I know COLBORNE had a few injuries...but the guy was over 50 percent in the FO circle...and he'd be an upgrade over MOORE...CONNOLLY would be nice because he's a righty with a wicked shot...not sure how well he'd do with a bottom-line assignment...but he's an AV-type player...well worthy of a contract...couple of others that kind of surprised me: Devante SMITH-PELLY...thought he played good for the Devils down the stretch...point totals are nice...always liked him with the Ducks...another guy who would be a good bottom-line player...and Beau BENNETT...kind of a head-scratcher here, because I don't know why the Devils didn't qualify him...they basically gave Pittsburgh a third rounder and cap relief...start conspiracy theory here...But Bennett is a kid that if he could ever stay healthy, he'd be a hell of a pick up...Jeremy MORIN is another...the guy has been bounced around the NHL more than I can recall...stints twice with the Hawks and BJs...But he's a hard-nosed player with some skill. Would be another cheap, excellent pickup for fourth line.

tdchi


Tue Jun 28 2016 6:29 am EST

Connolly is a guy who may be worth a look. At the best he stays healthy, figures some stuff out, and being 24 he still can to a point, and he makes a splash at the NHL level. At the worst he becomes a veteran type AHL guy who puts up good numbers at that level to help the Pack and is a call up guy to fill in during injuries. The bonus is a true vet in that role wants more money thus a larger cap hit than someone younger trying to prove themselves. Now he may want to go to a team that is not as good in order to try and land a regular NHL gig and have a chance there to show he can play and raise his value, so he may not want to come to team with a fairly solid forward group like the Rangers.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 28 2016 3:44 am EST

Colbourn is brittle and inconsistent while Ferraro is realy an AHL payer..No Thanks...Maybe on Connoly

Hospo


Tue Jun 28 2016 12:13 am EST

No real surprises on the guys not re-upped...several disappointments, but no one I didn't expect to see there...NOREAU...loved the kid...hoped he was gonna take the next step coming off a real good last year in juniors...but alas, if you can't land a spot on the Pack's blueline, you don't really deserve a qualifying offer. Noreau was a big kid with a mean streak...and I thought he'd be a poor man's McILRATH...but alas, we have on McIlrath and he doesn't get playing time...ST. CROIX hurts, because the guy has skills...he's just not strong enough or skilled enough to hang with either an up-tempo game or when guys twice his size are pounding him off the puck...McCARTHY was another I had high hopes for...mostly based on the fact he missed a solid year of NCAA hockey with a serious injury...but in reality, he was a grinder at the AHL level, which makes him nothing in the NHL...the rest? Who cares....SCHULTZ is an interesting prospect...if GIRARDI is moved, I would certainly entertain him as a third pairing D. But he's essentially Keith Yandle sans the vision. Guy has good offensive instincts, but defense? Whoa. Better have a good tendy...Flames' Joe COLBURNE not qualified...very interesting...he'd make a hell of a replacement for Dom MOORE at fourth line center...Landon FERRARO is another I'd be interested in signing as a depth player...ditto with Brett CONNOLLY, former top-five pick.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:31 pm EST

Forwards Matt Martin and Darren Helm both joined the list, since a premium is going to be placed on skating this summer, with the league focusing on speed...............Pittsburgh chose not to qualify 25-year-old defenceman "(RHS)" Justin Schultz at $3.9 million, as expected, making him a pending UFA. Schultz said his intention is to re-sign in Pittsburgh, so he could always come to terms on a deal for less than that prior to July 1............http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-top-40-fa-list-stamkos-watch-is-on-1.516462

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:47 pm EST

RF4L: Noreau was the one that most stood out. Not that I expected him to make the NHL or anything. But to be a depth guy for the AHL. Those positions are important. But I guess if they want to do that he could sign an AHL deal....kind of forgot about that route.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:48 pm EST

3 for a dollar, f#cking phone keyboard, Jeff Beukeboom.

hipcheck


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:47 pm EST

Berkeley, not Bubba Beck, lol!

hipcheck


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:44 pm EST

Loved the Ranger-Flyer rivalry when 88 used to go against Beck,Ulfy & or Patsy (RIP). That was some good hockey, damn sight better than the 2016 version.

hipcheck


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:01 pm EST

Brandon Pirri not qualified by the Ducks - 25 yr old 20 goal scorer would've made $925,000ish on a qualifying offer. Definitely worth a sniff - depending on the cost. Kids' got something to prove now....

Newman


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:29 pm EST

If Eric Lindros belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame, then Mike Richter certainly belongs in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Enough said.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:28 pm EST

Wild/CoMark: Who out of that group are you surprised wasn't qualified? Noreau you mentioned CoMark but he's simply too slow - yes he had a good final year of junior (kind of out of the blue actually) but was unable to take the next step once turning pro.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:23 pm EST

COMark: One has to think they expect to sign some graduating kids and or free agent undrafted junior and NCAA players and want to contract spots open for that. I mean otherwise it seems odd for a couple of those names since they don't actually count against the cap and they don't pay them that NHL cap hit.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:15 pm EST

CoMark: Not me - none could escape the eastern league. Disappointing for sure, based on his junior career, is St Croix but he's been mired in that league since turning pro, putting up so-so numbers. I believe his skating is his biggest issue...

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:14 pm EST

If the Rangers sign Martin that'll be 3 anti-AV players in tow (him, McI and Holden). Interesting that Glass can be lumped in there too but for whatever reason, AV has a soft spot for him. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Glass hater like some but for sure he's not the kind of player AV favours, at least not since coming to NY.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:08 pm EST

As I mentioned earlier: The Rangers did not offer QOs to forwards Luke Adam, Michael Kantor, Josh Nicholls, Michael St. Croix, Chris McCarthy and defenseman Sam Noreau. A little surprised on some of the names

ColoradoMark


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:41 pm EST

Vegas must select 30 players. 1 from each team. So every team will lose 1 guy.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:38 pm EST

Martin will be a Leaf. Funny how everyone has a problem with Glass who makes 1.4, but want Martin who could get up to 3 million, who btw, didn't have a single pt in 11 playoff games. Yeah, big upgrade from Glass.

Higgy21


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:33 pm EST

Congrats to big Eric Lindros and one of my favorite players Sergei Makarov for being elected to the Hall of Fame!!! Well deserved. Glad to see Pat Quinn getting a nod as well.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:28 pm EST

OAN: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/eric-lindros-finally-elected-to-hall-of-fame-along-with-sergei-makarov-rogie-vachon-and-pat-quinn/

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:02 pm EST

The Rangers apparently extended qualifying offers to 8 of their RFAs including KREIDER, MILLER, HAYES and McILRATH.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:51 pm EST

Why would they be overly worried about losing a player in an expansion draft? Do you realize how many draft picks and prospects this team has pissed away over the last 4 years? What is one more in a sea of players pissed away. And really, they can only lose 1 player. They are going to lose a player to expansion. Just about every team will. Why would they worry about expansion next summer when there is an entire season, trade deadline and playoffs to go before then. They haven't shown the desire to think past next week in any of the previous 4 years. Why would they start now?

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:50 pm EST

RF73: too too funny! ;-) .....Staring, Glenn Sather. Guess those weren't cigars after all......

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:46 pm EST

VIC: all this while being cognizant of the position they put themselves in come time to protect certain players..... Bet the trade deadline activity and draft day trade activity increases big time...

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:44 pm EST

So, first I smokes the weed...then I makes the trades...and then the reality of WTF did I just do kicks in!

RF73


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:44 pm EST

stamkos wants to be a center, cooper wants to play him on wing...good...ufa all the way.....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:34 pm EST

"The weed, the trade, & the reality" staring.............

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:33 pm EST

Vic, i think Gordon has a bigger overhaul in mind. I'm sure he a looking down the road say 3-4 years down when he is working on the current deals. You need to consider expansion draft. Nash will need to be protected and if it means that Krider or Miller will become exposed, then Nash will be traded this summer.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:26 pm EST

ANDREI: Realistically to sign STAMKOS the Rangers would have to trade one of BRASSARD/STEPAN AND one of STAAL/GIRARDI. Assuming STAMKOS costs $12 Mil per year trading STEPAN and GIRARDI gets you there. It means that McILRATH is in the Top 6 and they are going to go with him. Your D would be McDONAGH, STAAL, KLEIN, HOLDEN, SKJEI and McILRATH. Unless, of course, other players come back in those deals that the Rangers want to go forward with. The key to trading STEPAN and GIRARDI would be for non-roster draft picks and prospects. Bringing salary back in those deals doesn't help you fit STAMKOS in.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:22 pm EST

E, i'm with you on Martin. I think he will be a Ranger. Rest, i'm not sure we need. After-all, where is the room to play superstar Glass?

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:19 pm EST

Vic, i don't see how you can sign Stamcos and still keep Nash. Cap money wise just does not add up. Stamkos will be asking for 11+ mil per from the Rangers. Both Stepan and Nash, and possibly Girardi/Staal will need to go. I think signing Stamcos is holding the slew of trades that Gordon is working on. If we sign Stamkos, i can see Rangers being a complete different team next season. A lot of players we got used to will be traded.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:16 pm EST

I mean, how many teams would want Stamkos? It's just not that often that a generational talent comes around for free. I don't see how the NYR would swing it. I also don't see how they could get out from under the toxic contracts with enough cap space. I'm sure it's possible. My guess is that if the NYR could do it, you'd expect to see Stepan or Brass on their way out in the next few days. Obviously, Stepan to Minnesota has been bandied about for sometime now. And that's fine. Just give me a Dumba in return. And of course get Nash outta here to Anaheim and get me a Fowler, find me Matt Martin, Helm, and Grabner and call it an offseason. Ultimate NYR summer ever. And this type of thing is why I haven't smoked weed for years.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:15 pm EST

RF4L, good point. That is Nash is going to rebound next season. If he is going to have another season, like last, he will not a big loss. Say we get Stampkos and trade Stepan. Stampkos can play with Krider and Miller on the 1st line. One trade i'm still hoping for is Girardi to Edm for Benoit Pouliot and a pick. Now you got two good lines. Miller-Stamcos-Krider and Pouliot - Brass - Hobbit.

andrei


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:13 pm EST

CMARK: If they can acquire STAMKOS without having to trade NASH I could see the top 6 consisting of KREIDER-STAMKOS-MILLER and NASH-BRASSARD-MZA. That assumes, of course, that the Rangers deal STEPAN for Cap relief to fit STAMKOS. If HAYES is still here then it is BUECH-HAYES-FAST for a 3rd line and JENSEN-LINDBERG-???? on the 4th line. That also assumes that HAYES comes back a different player. Otherwise a different player should come back instead of HAYES.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:10 pm EST

Chris Johnston ✔ @reporterchris ...... NHL teams must decide which of their restricted free agents receive qualifying offers by 5 p.m. ET tomorrow. 11:40 AM - 26 Jun 2016

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:07 pm EST

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/06/27/ex-wings-chelios-hull-analysts-world-cup-hockey/86433002/

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:05 pm EST

RF- I agree, that putting them all on one line is a fools errand. My issue is that I am not sure NASH is the guy who can take the pressure off Stamkos. I don't see teams putting hteir checkers on Nash over Stamkos and Nash has done nothing to inspire me to think he could take advantage of less checking and start scoring,especially in the playoffs. I agree with the philosophy, but the guy has done nothing other than a great first 60 games in 2014-15. I'd much rather see Buch be that other guy (wishful thinking, but I'm over Nash's lack of urgency!)

ColoradoMark


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:59 pm EST

CoMark: I will say this about the Nash and Gabbie experiment - as I recall for whatever reason, the goofy coach decided to put them on the same line, forcing Gabby to switch wings. I never understood that (save for PP duty of course). Yes, sometimes putting your 2 best offensive forwards together works but for me spreading them out is more effective for the longer term. It's the single biggest reason IMO the Pens won - they spread their 3 top scorers across 3 lines. Malkin was relatively quiet but Crosby had an excellent POs and we all know what Kessel did. My concern about adding Stamkos and jettisoning Nash is we're back to the one-trick offense again and that was the downfall of the Rangers in all 3 years they went deep in the POs - they just couldn't score enough.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:46 pm EST

RF4L - On Holden, if so, very good..means that the GM is calling the shots.....Please Gorton, get rid of STEPAN and his soon to be valid NMC...i really don't mean "get rid of"..Stepan is a good player with good value, but we already have Brassard..This is where the team needs to be changed..if possible...Obviously, you don't deal him unless getting another good C (be it STAMKOS or whoever) is part of the master plan

Hospo


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:44 pm EST

Long time no chat, Wallsters! I've been reading regularly but didn't have much to contribute. I'll chime in on a few things: HOLDEN is a pretty good acquisition, I think he'll have an impact more along the lines of a KLEIN (surprisingly solid and cap-friendly) then a scrub. I think that is a move that signals at least one of Girardi and Staal is on the verge of being jettisoned. I'll be bummed if it means McIlrath is pushed aside (or worse: traded!). I'm fine with McIlrath starting as the 7th D-man again, as injuries will occur and I think he'll eventually earn his playing time whether AV wants to admit it or not. I'm just curious why the AVS would give him up as their D is just not that good. WILD is correct, he will be an excellent 5-6 D, but when he is in a top 4 role is when he struggles. Maybe that is why COL gave up on him, but I just don't see this helping their weakest position. RFA's: I hope all resign easily. I was a little surprised NOREAU wasn't qualified. I also like McCarthy, but I'll admit my knowledge of these guys is pretty limited. The "Predator" St. Croix is one of those guys that had a lot of success at the junior level, but just couldn't make the jump to even the AHL level. On NASH: Count me as someone who can't wait for this guy to be out of a Ranger uniform. Sure, he doesn't hurt us defensively and he can do some nice things with the puck, but the guy was brought in to be a goal scorer and his salary commands that he score goals. He is the most frustrating player to watch because he doesn't seem to care and that is just infuriating. Especially because people ran Richards out of town as if he was a disgrace to the uniform. I don't like the idea of keeping him if we get STAMKOS, I just don't see that working. Nash was supposed to thrive with having Gabby and that didn't work. I just think Nash is going to continue to be a talented, uninspiring enigma that isn't worth the $. I would like to see us jettison GIRARDI and give STAAL another year to see if he can rebound fromhis various injuries. I just don't see Girardi having any trade value (except maybe Torts or Sullivan wanting him) and it's risky thinking he will bounce back. But those three guys contracts (though not that bad if you just had one of them!) are going to make Gorton earn his stripes. The guys I don't want to see leave: ZUCC, MCILRATH, SKJEI, KREIDER, MILLER, and, er... That's about it. We do seemto have more spots available than any year I can remember with the RFA's that got dropped and the UFA's gone. I'm sure we'll be head scratching with some of the pick-ups, but I'm getting impatient with the lack of news! Hope all are well!

ColoradoMark


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:27 pm EST

NNNOOOOOOOO to Brian Campbell. NNNOOOOO!!

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:25 pm EST

...how Holden plays...

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:25 pm EST

The more I learn about how Holden the more I find him to be an anti-AV acquisition.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:24 pm EST

mf: Makes no sense to have 2 number centers - what happens when it's time to renegotiate a new deal with Tavares. It just isn't gonna happen, just like the Jets trading the 2nd pick overall Friday night was never going to happen. Stamkos will not go there because of that and the Islanders have far more serious issues vs having 2 number 1 centers. They don't have a number 1 goalie, their defense needs shoring up and they need scoring from the wings. If anything, Nash there makes more sense. Or Stepan. Or Staal. Each addresses a roster hole at a substantially less cost. Trust me dude, Stamkos is NOT going to be an Islander on Friday.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 1:07 pm EST

MF: Given where the Rangers are and where I see them going in the not too distant future I think it makes sense. It is a move of desperation to try to win a Cup right now that will have long term implications. Basically, it isn't any different then the MSL, YANDLE and STAAL trades of the last 3 deadlines. All were moves of desperation that had a long term negative impact. None of those moves needed to be made but because of those moves this one (the signing of STAMKOS) DOES need to happen. Because of those moves the writing is on the wall (no pun intended). The future meaning 3+ years from now is bleak (and 3+ years is being generous. It could happen sooner). But for the next couple of years the Rangers should still be competitive. Not Cup competitive as is but competitive. The only player out there who is obtainable (UFA) that could potentially put the Rangers in another Cup finals is STAMKOS. So, if they can get him for the next couple of years do it. Once they start sucking in a few years they can approach STAMKOS and see if he wants to be traded to competitor. Then they can start rebuilding again. But for now that window is still open a crack and the only way that I can see to address what has been this team's biggest need is to sign STAMKOS. So, yeah......I'm warming up to the idea.......

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:48 pm EST

Vic: Hearing that you're on the fence re: Stamkos is interesting to me. Seems you are warming up to the idea vs previous feelings about chasing a marquee FA... Stamkos turns 27 in February...... Big "IF" we can free up the space, I can see us offering him a 7/11........ But SLegs, will he have a red dot on his forehead? ....... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-all-eyes-on-steven-stamkos-as-free-agency-approaches/

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:40 pm EST

I believe that the posturing with defensemen such as the addition of Holden, very well may be the prelude to moving Staal & or Giradi............ As for Offensive Defencemen on the (LHS) Brian Campbell is an UFA & the Panthers just signed Yandle so I doubt he's resigning there.... Cambell just turned 37, was 6g, 25a, 31pts, & +31........... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?1206

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:17 pm EST

RF: LOVE IT!!! E: I'm on the fence regarding STAMKOS (and that doesn't even address if signing him is even a possibility). In one respect he is only 26 and should have some good years left in him. But at 26 he is already starting down the back 9. I know some here don't agree but physically his body has already turned the corner. That doesn't mean he can't be a hell of a player still but it does have to be taken into account. What it comes down to for me is this. The Rangers have a few years left to win a Cup before this team is mired in a shitstorm of mediocrity. Bringing STAMKOS in gives them a shot at winning a Cup in the next few years. Because if they don't do by then I don't think it will happen for a very long time. "In for a penny, in for a pound". I didn't want the Rangers to be sitting where they are and having to make this kind of a decision. I wanted them to build an organization that is a perennial contender and never has to make drastic or desperate moves. But that isn't how they have been managed. And that isn't what we are looking at. So, if they can get STAMKOS then GO GET HIM! Figure out who you need to move later and get what you can for them.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:15 pm EST

E - with Mcilrath and AV, I don't think it has anything to do with tea leaves or JT MILLER....... just the way that AV used him or refused to use him last year,....And especially the choices made in the POs (SKEJI switching sides, Diaz)...I jsut don't think he likes the way Mcilrathe fits into hi strategy and would prefer a different player...And while it would be nice to carry NHL depth on defense, and I'm all for it, the Rangers might be better off now in trading players/salary instyead of having 7-8 NHL d-men at the start of the season..

Hospo


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:09 pm EST

Hospo: exactly. I don't know what the hits total (I don't think that's an impetus to get a guy in and of itself) means. But I don't necessarily make the connection that his acquisition has or will reflect Mcilrath's status. Just hard to say. In the NYR team concept I don't think that you can have a shortage of defenseman of quality. Perhaps that's true of all teams. But I am still nowhere near as sold as some that Mcilrath is on his way out because of the same tea leaves and paranoia that followed fan opinion of AV in regards to JT. A player who now is developing very strongly under AV.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 12:07 pm EST

RF: If Tavares has no problem being the 2nd line center behind a guy like Stamkos, what's the problem?

mf


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:53 am EST

E/RF4L - Sounds good on Holden, but, i'll have to see for myself.....But bad signs on Mcirath, who I remain convinced will be dealt out west I hope not) by the beginning of the season....The Rangers are sure to pick up another OFFENSIVE defenseman--and likely a RH one, be it a Shattenkork, one of the guys form MINNESOTA or ANAHEIM, or who knows who,.....Rangers will then have guys like Mcilrath, Staal or Girardi to deal., the latter two being more difficult becasue of the NTC/NMC..

Hospo


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:47 am EST

JFC: however, Stamkos has classic TOS. Not with the additional complications like Dupuis had. And so while it happened he is supposedly making 100% recovery and will not even be on blood thinners. Now, let's see how true that is because I'm not a medical expert but I do recall some other athletes having this and recovering. So we'll see... Everybody thought Crosby was made of glass after his second concussion. Different injury but arguably one that's more career threatening.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:34 am EST

TD you're not understanding me what I'm saying is no one is looking to help this team free up salary so they can sign stamkos. Gorther have been taken on tgeir last three trades badly talbot hags and staal they can ill afford to make more deals of the same ilk. This team is not as cap free as you're claiming if they were they would have never had to let hags go.

York18


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:26 am EST

E -- Stamkos' blood clot problem could be a huge factor if they can't get it safely under control...very tricky medical situation. Blood thinners can cause fatigue and clots can form regardless...constant monitoring will be needed for the rest of his career

JFC31


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:23 am EST

E/TD/all -- I have a good friend who lives in Ft.Collins, Colorado...big Avalanche fan. He describes Holden as extremely solid defensively, hits hard along the walls, cleans up the crease and has underrated offensive skills. His passing is good and he can actually play the PP effectively when called upon. He says that Holden's offense has been improving incrementally since he became a starter and he thinks the kid may be a late bloomer on the offensive side. In his opinion, the kid is similar to Beuk defensively but does not fight as often as Beuk did.

JFC31


Mon Jun 27 2016 11:13 am EST

One point. Re: Stamkos. When I look at the league and look at players of his magnitude such as the Kopitar, Teows, Malkin etc... Stamkos strangely is actually younger then they are, as or more productive, and looking for roughly the same numbers. And so, NYR economics to the side Stamkos is not your typical mega star in the sense that they are gonna get paid outside of their normal value at this point of his career. And so by scale of economy, Stamkos is not a bad buy. You can make all kinds of arguments about this like Kopitar is better because he is superb 3-zone player whereas Stamkos is on the OV end of the spectrum. More one dimensional (although what a dimension.) And so my bigger point is, regardless of how eye popping his $$$$$ are going to be it's not going to be some kind of aberration and he's worthy of it. And barring some kind of lunacy where suddenly a 26-year old superstar is suddenly going to fall apart and turn into some kind of 35-year old fading star he is going to be worthy of what he gets and a team is going to get a generational talent hardly even in his prime yet.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:41 am EST

TD: Re Holden - and it sounds more and more like McI will once again be on the outside looking in (if he;s not traded)...

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:37 am EST

Vic: How about the Snooze and Cruize line?

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:27 am EST

RF4L - Tampa ain't gonna pay up...simple as that. STAMKOS is gonna get 10-11 million. And when your team almost makes the finals without that player, no real need to resign him....they're looking at HEDMAN, the Triplets and DROUIN, IMO, and seeing a long term contract with STAMKOS will mean one of those guys will leave...kind of ironic that had they not inked CALLAHAN for such a momentous contract, they could easily have grabbed Stammer...know you can't read too deeply into things, but the Tampa Twitter feed and the initial 2016 promotions seemed scrubbed of #91...

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:23 am EST

RF - maybe they low balled him. Look I don't want him to sign with the Islanders, this would be a nightmare.

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:20 am EST

E - sure sounding more and more like HOLDEN is gonna be in the top six, if not the top four. I've never heard of the guy prior to the trade. Wildcard, aren't you in Avalanche country? I was of impressed that he was the only regular blueliner in Colorado who was plus.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:18 am EST

DREW: If that's the case, why not resign in Tampa? They're further along than the Islanders - better goaltending, better defense and more depth up front.

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:16 am EST

RF - Crosby and Malkin crapped the bed for years until the Pens found a goalie that could stand pressure. Halak and Greiss --for as long as that is the tandem, there will be a cup deficit for the Islanders. Doesn't matter if they have STAMKOS and JT. Irrelevant though...I just don't see them as a good fit. And their cap condition isn't any different than the Rangers...and they have to resign JT in two seasons too. For a troubled as the Rangers are, they dont have any contract on the horizon the likes of JT...

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:07 am EST

RF4L - If he wants to win a cup, I HATE that I am saying this but - Tavares and Stamkos would be lethal. If his ego won't allow him to be the second line center, oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯......Does it matter who the "1st line center" is if the cup is the goal?

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:02 am EST

Interesting tidbit. Nick Holdin was 7th in the NHL in hits. Landing 217 last season.

E


Mon Jun 27 2016 10:01 am EST

DREW: FWIW I am almost certain Stamkos will not go to the Islanders because he wants to be a number 1 center wherever he lands. How would that work with Tavares already there?

RF4L


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:51 am EST

thanks TD - and I am secretly hoping the Rangers keep an eye on the summer of 2018. If this makes me sound like a bad Rangers fan, I guess I am but I would hope the Rangers can push for John Tavares.

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:46 am EST

DREW - would be irresponsible to count the Isles out...but truth is, they're a team that still lacks a genuine top goaltender and stands to lose three core players come July 1. And that's before you take into consideration that they still don't have a home to call their own per se. The stop in Brooklyn at this point is just that. The stadium was never designed with hockey in mind and that's all I've heard about it since they started playing there. I would be far more worried about Buffalo landing him. City only a few hours from his hometown and only one year removed from getting a dynamic player like EICHEL. They drafted some incredible players and have a strong back line developing. And while LEHNER isn't elite, he's better than anything the Isles have in their system. If I were to call the ball, that's where he lands. Detroit will push hard. The Rangers too...wildcard is Toronto, because they've got no cap space and know if they grab Stammer, they'll go from last to a playoff spot overnight. What Gorton should do is keep Shanny and Lam on speed dial. I bet some good players are going to shake loose from that club for pennies on the dollar...JVR and BOZAK for instance.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:39 am EST

And what name could we give to that line? That would be entertaining as well. We could all it "The Effortless Line".......or the "Two Has-beens and a Never-was Line"......or the "Dozer line"...(not as in bulldozer but as in to take a nap)......or the "420 Line"...cause they look stoned and disinterested ...... the possibilities are endless!!!!!

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:34 am EST

STRANGER: I was thinking more along the lines of a BRAD BOYES. Now that would be some line . VANEK-HAYES-BOYES. That line would put more people to sleep then NyQuil. I can see it now. All three hovering near center ice waiting for the puck while GIRARDI and STAAL are desperately trying to defend a 3 on 2. And when HANK gets scored on the play he can slam his stick against the crossbar and throw it out to center ice where VANEK, HAYES and BOYES are still patiently waiting for the puck. It would be an endless source of entertainment for the Wall. What do we need to do to make that line a reality???!?!?!

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:25 am EST

Is there a deal to be made with tampon taking Stephan for stamkos signing here plus .... Or is it the nyr only get the short end of the stick in most deals ?

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:10 am EST

Simple Vic, bring back Pysie!

NYStranger


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:10 am EST

If Stamkos has no interest in signing with Detroit, could Detroit then become interested in Nash, which could then open up $ for Stamkos?

JFC31


Mon Jun 27 2016 9:06 am EST

By the way (WIOSA are you reading), I am scared ____less that the Islanders are going to win the Stamkos sweepstakes. His buddy Tavares is there and they have the cap space. If you were not a fan of either team, wouldn't the Islanders be the desired destination as the team poised for a cup run?

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:56 am EST

LOL STEVIE:. I was just about to post something like that. But I was trying to figure out what other dumpster dive wing the Rangers would have to pick up to complete that utterly effortless line.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:54 am EST

DREW:. I understand what you are looking for but all of the guys you mentioned could skate and they played with heart. They cared about winning. I've never seen VANEK play like he gave a crap. The only guy that would be happy to see VANEK is HAYES. The fans would hate VANEK so much that they would forget all about HAYES.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:54 am EST

The numbers for QOs are: Kreider- $2.6M Hayes- $945K Miller-$918K McIlrath-$660K Jensen-$874K - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/26/rangers-prospect-development-camp-this-week/#sthash.ILnoUGk5.nZTsl2VL.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 8:53 am EST

If gabby Hayes comes back and they sign vanek , put them together and they could be the sleeper line ...

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:39 am EST

Vanek - I think it would be a stopgap to fill the LW for Nash. If we are "re-tooling", it's not the worst idea. IF we are going for it then, I'm with Vic. Historically, we have recently had some success (Fedetenko, Prospal, Pouliot, Stalberg).

DREW


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:17 am EST

Today is RFA qualifying offer day. I don't expect any surprises for the NYR today. Other teams, not so much.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 27 2016 7:12 am EST

Why the hell would anyone want to even consider VANEK for 1 second. Is there a slower, more disinterested player in the league? I think I remember the last time he broke a sweat. If I recall correctly it was in 2009. The Rangers already have more then enough players who have no heart.....we don't need another.

Vic


Mon Jun 27 2016 6:36 am EST

Shaun Starr ‏@Starr690 ...... Bob McKenzie on #TSN690 now "Don't think the Canadiens are serious players for Stamkos with cap being where it is & paying PK $9 million"

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 27 2016 5:16 am EST

RICK CARPINIELLO on JUNE 26, 2016 11:30 PM They’re gonna talk to Vanek, if they haven’t already. A team that had effort problems really needs a guy like that. - See more at: http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/26/rangers-prospect-development-camp-this-week/#sthash.ILnoUGk5.dpuf

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:14 am EST

This is generous the nyr are in cap purgatory limbo .... That's why yandle is gone ....

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 4:04 am EST

http://nypost.com/2016/06/26/failing-nielsen-offer-only-start-of-isles-alarming-free-agent-issue/

stevielegs


Mon Jun 27 2016 3:14 am EST

I'm actually liking a lot of the picks the Rangers made...reading up on them...all low-risk, high-reward players...DAY could be a coup for where he was picked...ditto with GETTINGER, who was thought to be a mid-second, early third rounder...really like what's being said about FONTAINE too...and my sleeper pick is Ty RONNING...chip off the old block...player very similar to dad Cliff, who was a small speedster also taken in the seventh who went on to a real nice NHL career...on prospect camp, watch this kid Reid DUKE. He has potential...good player drafted and unsigned by the Wild...apparently suffered a bit because he was with an absolutely abysmal junior program.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:51 am EST

DREW - I'd take a flyer on VANEK. Not sure what salary he'd want though...if it were something like $3 million...done. Pure goal scorer. Would probably put up Nash-like numbers...but I think we need to see what happens with our top six...we need room for BUCHNEVICH up there. He didn't hop the pond to be a bottom line grinder...

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:43 am EST

Re: NASH for THEODRE - I just don't see the Ducks doing that...would think they'd trade FOWLER over him...Theodore could be a John CARLSON-type d-man...maybe better...Fowler's pretty much at his ceiling...If that's the deal at hand...Gorton should jump on it.

tdchi


Mon Jun 27 2016 2:34 am EST

C'mon York...now you're saying that IF the Rangers sign STAMKOS...something you yourself said to be highly unlikely...then they'd be in a cap crunch...and by virtue of other teams forecasting this move, they are low balling the Rangers...and Rangers are therefore now in a bad trade position? That's a whole lot of leaps right there...all ignore the fact the Rangera have about as much cap space or more than half the teams in the league...so what am I missing here? Yeah, I'd be more comfortable with $30 million going into the STAMKOS sweepstakes...and I suspect we'll end up with at least $20 mil between now and then. But I think it's really disenginuous to say they're getting shutout because their cap situation is so bad.

tdchi


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:16 pm EST

Per Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipa.... "Re: Stamkos watch. NYR assigned Buchnevich No. 91. Could change, of course, but...just sayin' "

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:22 pm EST

Trade is the only way the Rangers get the offensive D-man they need for the next two years..Fowler and, especially, Theodore PLUS (gottab be significant IMWO) make sense..With Holden and Theodore oboard , Rangers have D several D-men they can trade...along with several forwards..Again, all about smart deals and talent evaluation,,,I like the little I saw of Theodore, but I ain't no scout..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:26 pm EST

What's Mike Komisarek doing these days?

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:55 pm EST

Drew..... Higgin's is also free to retire.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:32 pm EST

Higgy21 - Higgins is free to sign anywhere. Did he ever play for AV in Vancouver? Was it Renney or Torts that was here for Higgins?

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:04 pm EST

Spector's Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey .... NBC Sports - ProHockeyTalk: Report: Canucks plan to buy out Higgins, keep Burrows .... http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/06/26/report-canucks-plan-to-buy-out-higgins-keep-burrows/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:58 pm EST

As we discussed earlier - if Anaheim is still trigger shy, I would set conditions on the trade, Keep in mind, we would have to hope Anaheim goes far but if the conditions are something Anaheim agrees to - they may be likely to take on all of the salary (2 years - remaining...unless they don't have the cap space). Someone has to break the ice on these trades for sakes!

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:53 pm EST

I see that Theodore is still young enough that he would not have to be protected in an expansion draft.,That is also a plus.

JFC31


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:52 pm EST

The Ducks had been pushing Fowler for Nash, but Shea Theodore plus a pick makes much more sense from the NYR point of view. We get their top rated prospect and the Ducks potentially turn into the next Pittsburgh. Also, Theodore would not need to be protected in the Expansion Draft. Sketchy but Interesting.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:46 pm EST

The Nash for Theodore + pick is an interesting one in that it fits the criteria that Gorton is supposedly looking for, as reported by Brooks and others. A good young defenseman whose salary will be controllable, pick to restock with and the shedding of Nash's salary. Then again, the guy who posted the rumor could made it up to fit that criteria. Interesting rumor regardless.

JFC31


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:23 pm EST

I saw that evets - who was the guy who tweeted it? I never heard of him

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 7:22 pm EST

Grain of salt rumor from on Twitter... Rangers on the verge of moving Nash to Anaheim for Shea Theodore and a pick.

evets1980


Sun Jun 26 2016 6:40 pm EST

If Nash is indeed moved, would Vanek be the stop gap winger? I saw nhlrumors (one of the better Twitter sources) mention they were looking for a one year deal.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 3:04 pm EST

http://rangers.lohudblogs.com/2016/06/26/rangers-prospect-development-camp-this-week/#sthash.fYjYZLx0.dpbs

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 2:38 pm EST

So far fishboy close but no saton cigar just seaweeds ... Almost playing horseshoes .... Tried to get a 1st round pick too...

stevielegs


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:38 pm EST

NYStranger.... He sure is. I wouldn't want to lose him for nothing as he'd most likely be taken. However, If teams lowball in negotiations(wanting us to keep $$$), we do have it as an alternative.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:27 pm EST

One thing I am wondering. If we can't move Nash before next years expansion draft, if he eligible to be left unprotected?

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:25 pm EST

Ranger47/Wild.... 95% of what gets dealt at the trade deadline is guys on their last year or sometimes guys with another year left on their deal. Guys with multiple years and lot's of money left on their deals rarely do. Usually assets like Stepan get moved on or around the draft for maximum value. If we didn't need to get rid of Nash's cap hit, we could possibly wait until the deadline, but not many teams could afford that huge cap hit them. Also, teams that are interested in Nash/Stepan now will most likely move on to their Plan B's.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:24 pm EST

Waiting until the trade deadline is a mistake. Very little can happen these days compared to the past because of the salary cap. It can be really hard to get deals done because you can't usually just trade a Nash type for picks or prospects. The other team would need to dump salary to fit that type of contract. I doubt a team that has big cap space would be in the hunt for, say Nash, so what team that is 'going for it' at the next deadline could take on his salary?

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:07 pm EST

Sorry for the multiple posts today - I was looking for some encouraging news and some previous precedents with summer trades. Kessel was another trade that I look at in comparison to Nash. That trade actually took place July 1st. After the draft and at the start of free agency. Now Kessel was 27 at the time and Nash is 32. Kessel also came with a 6.8 cap (originally 8 million - Toronto retained) hit until the summer of 2022, Nash is only a two year commitment. So there are some things that make Nash' contract favorable. But as far as conditions? Whoa!! ...."*Should Pittsburgh miss the 2016 playoffs, Toronto will INSTEAD receive the Penguins’ 2017 first-round pick; with Pittsburgh getting Toronto’s 2017 second-round selection in return. ...... *If the Penguins were to miss the postseason the next two years, Toronto would receive Pittsburgh’s 2017 second-round draft pick and Pittsburgh would not receive a draft pick....... Kessel is signed through the 2021-22 season. Toronto is retaining 15 percent of his salary, making Pittsburgh’s cap hit $6.8 million......http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=773319

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 12:03 pm EST

From George Richards: ."@FlaPanthers have plenty of cap space and going shopping. Looking for skilled winger; feel good about blueline"... How about Rick Nash to Florida?

evets1980


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:57 am EST

Wild: It's not silly if it means not doing so results in losing someone you really want long term in the expansion draft. Yes, I'd rather see some cap hit retained and one of them moved for picks/prospects but there's gotta be a deal out there for that to happen. It's easy to sit here and speculate that there is and I concur with Staal that's believable, but with Girardi, not so much. He was horrible last year and the game, after the Pens win, is only going to get quicker. I am certain when it comes to G there's a wait and see attitude out there. That said, I'm sure there's a deal to be had if Gorther's willing to offer up an incentive, like Ryan Graves, to move G. I'd rather have the cap hit due to a buy-out vs that solution.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:55 am EST

Wild - I would think something similar to the Ryan O'Reilly trade last year. (Although that happened draft day). Before I mentioned the St. Louis deal. In addition to Ryan Callahan - here was the trade:,,,, a 2014 conditional 2nd round pick and a 2015 1st round pick Should the Rangers advance to the 2014 Eastern Conference Final, the 2014 second-rounder would become a first-round pick......In the event Callahan should re-sign with the Lightning, the Rangers would receive Tampa Bay`s second-round pick at the 2015 NHL Draft while the Lightning would receive the Rangers` seventh-round draft pick in 2015.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:54 am EST

Wild: Agreed that Stepan should have suitors and we've already heard more than once that Minnesota is interested (and they have an excess of young blueliners). I also like Ryan Ellis of the Preds and cannot believe Poile wouldn't be interested in adding Stepan to his lineup. Is he prepared to part with Ellis, however, is probably the bigger question. I like Cam Fowler, but suspect his salary is too large at this point (unless Rick Nash is dealt, but I cannot help but think Gorther likes the idea of a forward lineup that includes both Nash and Stamkos - Nash might have more value next summer when he's got only a year left on his contract anyways).

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:53 am EST

RF4L: Buying out Giradi or Staal would be terrible...absolutely terrible. Having them on the cap for twice as long as they currently have to deal with them is silly. There are teams that would take them with retained salary and they is a better options because the cap hit falls off quicker.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:49 am EST

DREW: Gorther is able to sign Stamkos and move Stepan and one of Staal/Girardi for a joint return of one young defenseman (such as Matt Dumba of the Wild) and picks and prospects. This would free up most of what it'll cost to sign Stamkos and start to address the compromised feeder system. Next spring move who's left of Staal/Girardi or if needed, buy that player out. I also really want to see AV give McI a legitimate shot on the backline. It would be amazing to see both S and G traded this summer but I'm trying to be reasonably realistic, too.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:46 am EST

DREW: That is true...fortunately Stepan is a very good player and there are a lot of teams who would like him. ESPECIALLY if it doesn't take away from their roster much. If the Rangers get Stamkos they will not need a roster player of any significance, so they will take futures instead...teams that feel "close" will want to do that. SO I would imagine that there would be 2 or 3 teams looking to get him at least.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:40 am EST

Wild - I agree (if Stamkos - move Stepan), however there needs to be attention to the sequence of events there. If we signed Stamkos, teams will know that Gorth is moving Stepan to clear cap space. Unless he creates a bidding war, GMs will understand that the Rangers are in a bind.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:33 am EST

Ranger47: I think the brass know that may be the case. I think that is why they are not jumping on any trade offer that comes along. IF they are able to get Stamkos on board they will likely move Stepan for the best they can get right now. They may also move Staal/GIradi for less than they think they can get to open up a bit more space. But if they do not get him I think they wait. And I am sure this wall will be full of hate for that.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:30 am EST

Not to sound overly pessimistic, but hanging on to players like Nash, Stephan, Staal and Girardi until the next trading deadline may be the best way to restock picks and prospects moving forward.

Ranger47


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:26 am EST

RF - (I hope my tone isn't coming across as confrontational - hard to emote on a message board), What would be your best case scenario summer? With realistic returns. I know moving Girardi and/or Staal is high on the list but I am curious (only because I am not sure myself). Is it moving Stepan, Klein, one of our RFAs? I am really hung up on Stepan as he and Brassard may not be true #1 centers but that position is so difficult to have depth at.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:25 am EST

York. Don't disagree....

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:22 am EST

RF he can't just take any deal or trade just to look like he's trying he's certainly trying but I don't see anyone looking to help him and he's probably getting low balled. He got fleeced on talbot, hags. Staal and I think he knows that and doesn't want that occurring again.

York18


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:21 am EST

Here is my take on the possible moves. SO with the two Dmen, Staal and Giradi, I think that they will move one of them unless the other GMs demand a higher pick along with them and retaining salary, I mean, they can't hurt themselves to move those contracts, they can always try again at the deadline or there is another buyout period before the expansion draft per reports. I also think that it there are other Dmen who will move around first, FA chats are going on, and there are other Dmen that teams want as well. SO perhaps after the FA signings happen Staal or Giradi move. NASH, some of the same issues, teams may want to make a deal that hurts rather than helps the Rangers, and other players may move first and teams are looking at certain guys, if they loose out they will turn to look at Nash. Stepan is the easiest to move and will get the biggest value of all of them. But again, teams are looking at Stamkos and others, they will try to get a top 6 guy without giving up assets before they give up stuff for Step. SO again, it will be a wait and see how things shake out.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:12 am EST

DREW: If that's the case, my prediction is the Rangers will end up firing AV mid-way thru the season and that won't help and it'll be one horrid year. That, however, might ultimately be the tonic to finally wake management up to make real changes. It also might be the end of the King's regime - cannot believe he'll want to stay around thru a rebuild. That said, if next year plays out that way, how will it impact him and his perceived value around the league? Maybe he'll even retire? Who knows...

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:09 am EST

Here;s a year old story on Nick Betz, a Ranger prospect camp invite. Big and rangy and stands up for his teammates but passed over the draft 4 times now (2013-2016, although I'm not sure if he was even draft eligible this year). Must be tough to endure. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/123157/off-radar-family-atmosphere-erie-propels-otters-betz-towards-redemption-nhl-draft/

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:06 am EST

RF - I also believe in my heart that the 2016-17 opening roster will not look much different as it does now. Minor changes - maybe a Fedetenko/Stalberg type signing in the past. Now the issue with that is that team might be on the cusp of the playoffs or within striking distance. I think 2017 deadline is where we would take a step back.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:04 am EST

Hospo: Agreed - Gorther has his work cut out for him. Is he up to it? I realize he had a big hand in the Bruins team that ended up winning the cup (after he left) but he wasn't saddled then with onerous contracts and a compromised feeder system. This situation is quite different IMO vs that one.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 11:01 am EST

BTW, I posted on here about Gorther sitting on his hands (for fins as stevie chimed in - lol) and I did so more out of frustration than anything else because we kept hearing about how intent he was to cut at the team's core, yet nothing happened. Yes, I'm being a little impatient and yes there's still plenty of time to get something done. That said, the clock is steadily clicking and I worry that he'll end up doing nothing, which I believe will be one massive mistake. I guess if that ends up being the case, I can take solace in the vision that no POs will likely result and the Rangers will be in the draft lottery (unless of course, Gorther doesn't something stupid that results in the Rangers having no first for the 5th consecutive draft (hell, he's already traded away next year's 2nd rounder so that concern doesn't come without merit IMO).

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:59 am EST

Thanks Hosp and RF - judging from your replies we are on the same page. Those deals (I think) typically happen at the deadline but I think this would help a Nash deal.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:56 am EST

DREW - We at least gotta give Gorton this off-season to see if his philosophy/strategy will be a new on or more of the same...I'll tell yu thug, the UFA pool is very weak..maybe a few players that appear interesting....Gorton, ni matter hiw mych he was involved in the past, has a hell of a job to make the needed changes on this team..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:54 am EST

DREW: Yes those types of conditions are seen all the time in trades - for example the Rangers ended up with Tampa's 2nd rounder in the Callahan deal when he resigned with the Bolts.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:53 am EST

Development Camp list..... Andersson, Calle ...Betz, Nick ...Buchnevich, Pavel ...Buinitsky, Dmitri ...Chapie, Adam ...Day, Sean ...Donnay, Troy ...Duke, Reid ...Fogarty, Steven ...Fontaine, Gabriel ....Gettinger, Tim ...Graves, Ryan ...Gropp, Ryan ...Halverson, Brandon ....Joly, Michael ...Kovacs, Robin ...Morrison, Brad ...Nieves, Cristoval ...Ottenbreit, Turner ...Plesa, Matthew ...Plesa, Nicholas ...Plesa, Peter ...Ronning, Ty ...Skapski, Mackenzie ...Smith, C.J ....Stromwall, Malte ....Tambellini, Adam ...Wall, Tyler ....Yaremko, Rylan ...Zborosky, Zachary ....Zborovskiy, Sergey.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:52 am EST

Those Plesas are from Calgary and all played in Sweden last year. Their numbers in the Alberta junior league aren't very overwhelming. Maybe someone doing someone else a favour?

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:46 am EST

I am not down on Gorton, fishboy, Gorther, etc as many are. I do think they put themselves in this mess. That is on Sather and Gorton (sorry RF "Gorther" ) : ) ...I think may of us on this board are adults and to say "Gorton asleep at the wheel, sitting on his hands, etc", is a bit unfair. I am not sure who the standard bearer GM is these days (Rutherford, Holland, Stan Bowman, The Brooklyn Brawler, Dean Lombardi?) Any of those men in our current situation would have a difficult time moving the players we want to move. (Maybe they wouldn't have put us in this situation like handing out 1st round picks like free samples of dip at Cosco). But I think I am starting to warm to this process going forward. I actually credit Gorton for getting picks for Yandle, someone who he couldn't sign. To be honest, I liked Yandle. That contract would have made me a bit upset. We don't have our 2nd next year but do have our 1st. By obtaining Florida's 4th, we were able to trade ours for what appears to be a top 6 defenseman, who is not killing the cap. I think we need to let this thing play out. I am in the minority, but I feel better after the draft and watching Gorton's interview. I am not drinking the kool-aid but he seems like he's got somethings working. (By the way, any Person of Interest fans on this board? Gorton slightly reminds me of Detective Fusco)...Anyway, I think the free agency has to to play itself out and then we would see Nash or Staal get moved. (possibly Girardi). Besides retaining salary, I wonder if Gorton could offer conditions on his deals. Does anyone know the limitations on conditional trades? For instance with someone like Nash, if the team wins the cup or makes the finals, the Rangers could receive a first rather than a third (something along the lines of the St. Louis / Callahan deal)? These now can come into play as the 2016 draft is behind us and the season ahead can impact a conditional trade. Also, keep in mind that Rick Nash himself was the hot item at the 2012 deadline and draft and the Rangers completed the deal in late July 2012.

DREW


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:39 am EST

WILD - Cool...Thanks...My bad...but, I'll still wait and see..You just see so many random and bloated opinions out there on prospects in hockey and, especially, baseball that it's impossible to take too many of them seriously..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:39 am EST

I don't know but the Hanson Brothers are about the right age these days for the Rangers to want to offer them a UFA contact! LOL

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:35 am EST

In regard to the NYR Development Camp Roster.... Does anyone know who the Plesa brothers are? They're their own line. Are they related to the Hanson Brothers?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:21 am EST

HOSPO: McKeens Hockey is a very good scouting organization. Grant Mcagg is their Head Scout. He is hardly someone you can just dismiss as some blogger.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:17 am EST

WHo the hell is Grant Mcagg and why the hell shoud his words mean anything? Just so many freakin blogger opinions in sports these days for every tom, Dick and Harry.....Me? Opinion means nothing..like the chance on DAY..The rest is wait and see..

Hospo


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:04 am EST

NYStranger: Agreed with your post wholeheartedly. Tinkering means, I suspect, a worse year next season and perhaps PO challenged. Given how the team played basically all season long with the same coach and leadership group returning why expect anything substantial to change? Adding Stamkos gives the team a legitimate number 1 center for the first time since Messier era I and makes expendable Stepan who can be flipped for a young d-man or picks/prospects plus means, hopefully, Staal is moved for a similar return. Two birds with one stone sort of - change the dynamics on the team bigtime and start addressing the dangerously thin feeder system. I maintain if the latter isn't done, extended hard times is inevitable.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 10:00 am EST

That Finnish d-man apparently was a good snag, too. He played only 11 games last year and his value dropped because of it. I am really pulling for Day - prospect camp next week; it'll be interesting to read the reports on how he fares. I'm betting he'll stand out. That size and skating ability is a rare combination.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:59 am EST

Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg ...... On Tim Gettinger.... We ranked him at 68..that's +78 in value...perhaps the best in the draft.... More than a few scouts thought he'd go in the 2nd and he went late 5th. He was considered a top 30 guy last summer.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:58 am EST

Radulov is an ass and doesn't deserve the NHL, as flawed as the league is. Stay in Russia ya punk.

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:57 am EST

In a polling of NHL scouts, Day was considered the best skater in the draft. I don't think the best skater has ever been taken so low. That's via Twitter and Grant McCagg. One of the scouts for McKeens hockey (spelling on that im sure is off)

Wildcard


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:55 am EST

Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg..... Sean Day has lost weight since the end of the season..if he gets in better shape and plays with more consistent effort piles of upside.... In a polling of NHL scouts, Day was considered the best skater in the draft. I don't think the best skater has ever been taken so low.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:48 am EST

Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg..... McKeen's chief amateur scout..... Rangers had some very intriguing picks.... Day was a nice gamble at 81....as were Gettinger at 141 and Fontaine at 171. Good value.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:42 am EST

WIOSA.... It's believed that he just used the NHL to up his contract offers in the KHL. He didn't even stick around until July 1st. Piece of work. Good Riddance!

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:38 am EST

Rhett....I find it hard to believe NO nhl team could work out a deal with him. He is a headcase though, so who knows. Interesting to say the least.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:28 am EST

Well, that was bizarre. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.... theScore ‏@theScore ...... Alex Radulov reportedly signs in Russia after failing to find NHL deal. http://thesco.re/29656X4

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:21 am EST

Well you can go about this two ways. Take the $16 million or so cap space and resign our RFAs and a couple of journeymen 3rd -4th liners and call it a day. Will we be better? No. Will we even be as good? Probably not. So the other way to go about this is to make a hard run at Stamkos. Then you HAVE to trade a Nash and or Stepan or a Staal etc. to make cap room for resigning our RFAs. Maybe this way you also get back something in trade that improves the team. This second way is the only way I see the Rangers being better next season without a coaching change. With or without getting Stamkos this is the only way I can envision improvement. Can't blow everything up....that will probably happen after next years expansion draft. I get a feeling we will loose someone we will lament big time. Thank you in advance Buttf&ckman. But the Rangers must IMO change more than its 3-4th liners and 6-7th D-men.

NYStranger


Sun Jun 26 2016 9:17 am EST

Ola...hear, hear, I have been saying this since 95. That said nothing will change. VIC I dont know whether to laugh or cry about Brooks tweet. STEVIE.. Yep, and its not like we're guessing or assuming, management is coming right out and saying it. We cant pay Hags, Yandle because of caap issues. YORKIE, I agree. Something unique about Ranger fans..a lot of them have an unrealistic idea of what NHL players are getting nowadays.

WIOSA


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:39 am EST

RF: I saw that tweet from BROOKS yesterday and chuckled. So true....

Vic


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:37 am EST

LOL...funny quote by LB on AV's inane treatment of McI: "The Blueshirts did make a deal at the draft’s conclusion, sending a 2017 fourth-rounder to Colorado for 29-year-old depth defenseman Nick Holden, a lefty who plays both sides and who therefore immediately becomes the journeyman Alain Vigneault will play ahead of Dylan McIlrath … if McIlrath still is on the roster, that is."

RF4L


Sun Jun 26 2016 8:33 am EST

Rhet: That's what I said about the Holden deal yesterday, too. Another possibility exists regarding who to protect and not protect: if Girardi has another sub-par year, I'd think Gorther would cringe at having to protect him. If so, buy him out before the draft. Yeah the cap hit hurts, but it won't be as bad as doing it now. Imagine if things work out like perhaps Gorther hopes and Stamkos is signed and Stepan moved to say Minnesota for Matt Dumba AND miracle of miracles, AV uses McI as he should: You'd have McD, McI and Dumba to protect - no way do you want to lose any of those 3 - buying out Girardi might be the best option (of