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Wed Oct 1 2014 7:11 am EST

What's with Sather and his penchant for making negotiations with his pending free agents so labourious? I don't get it. Given the rather uninspiring fight for the 7th d-man spot in the lineup in camp so far, Staal's presence becomes that much more crucial. If he's to be traded, another established d-man would have to come back in the deal, meaning you lose a chance to fill a void elsewhere (such as the center ice position, which is starting to become worrisome, IMO).

RF4L


Wed Oct 1 2014 6:44 am EST

E Friedman saying no doubt NYR looking to move one body (from NY or Htfd) from their 50/50 in case they want to keep Duclair around. Paraphrased. I cant C & P. But this kid has all but made the team imo. If you think back to last year, one of the major weaknesses was lack of finish. Duclair's got it.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Oct 1 2014 6:19 am EST

RF4L: Duke's contract was signed after some specified date in the CBA hence due the technicalities of that contract he is on the first year of his entry contract regardless of games played in the NHL this year.

gene_carr


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:00 pm EST

Bob: Not sure how the Rangers have burned a year of the Duke's contract. Please explain. And to clarify, that 9 game rule is all about not burning a year of an entry level deal. Once a qualified under-ager (started in the CHL before he was drafted) reaches game 10 played, year 1 of his deal is consumed. You're right, he can be sent back any time after that and if he is, he cannot be recalled (except under 'emergency' basis). It also counts as games actually played, meaning a team can have a kid sit for 30 games and play 9 and then send him back at game 39 of their season and not be penalized. Doing so (or keeping him for 1/2 the season) and then sending him back is just plain stupid and more often than not ends up wasting a year of development (like the Sabres did with that Russian kid 2 years ago or the Islanders with that kid they ended up moving to the Wild), which is even stupider. If there's even a smidgen of doubt, IMO, he should be sent back. Err on the side of caution - please.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:51 pm EST

RHET--I believe that is incorrect. I believe that due to the contract he is signed to, they can keep him as long as they want to. If they send him, he must go to juniors and cannot return. But they could send him after game 40 if they want to. They have already burned year 1 on his contract. If they keep him, they have to shed a contract as they are at 50.

Bob


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:44 pm EST

What happened to Haggerty tonight? Not a bad effort by the "B" team against the Flyers "A" Team....

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:36 pm EST

RF4L: Yeah, understand completely and agree... especially if we got some good talent down there, it would be great to get him a bunch of minutes LEADING from the D charge, but boy doesn't it feel like there is really not a lot going after our top 6 from the back end? Don't expect miracles, but boy didn't Klein and Moore look completely like the #1 pair out there. Just under-whelmed to say the least.

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:30 pm EST

Wow! AV - not a big one to really put it out in the media - is really showing his hand gushing a little bit about the Duke. Of course, who knows what is going to happen, but this kid is going to arrive soon. I just wonder... and maybe its because Kid-K has made me think a little different about it - Kreider was ready - gets sent down and plays like shit - and comes back and proves he's an NHLer. If they are ready is it better to let them dominate and run the risk of getting bored, or pump up the competition on the kid? His head seems pretty straight, which is a big one, but he brings all of the things that we really value on this team right now... speed to kill, the skill to back it up, and the poise to make it work. Kreider had a similar arrival - though, admittedly, a little older because of the college. Don't have an answer and the coaches will do what they should, but man... I love the fact that this kid is making it interesting. BTW, here's AVs comments after the game - pretty impressive stuff. http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6695/av-reacts-in-philly-discusses-upcoming-cuts#.VCtksildVR4

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:23 pm EST

Z: IMO you keep McI as the 7th d-man ONLY if you feel he's got little to learn by going back to the AHL.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:22 pm EST

Yes, I'm aware of that 9 NHL game grace period and if used properly, I get it (that being the kid really is forcing a legitimate decision and the club needs to see him in regular season action to better gauge his readiness). I also realize he's forcing the team's hand in that regard which is, obviously, a very good thing. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. If he does go back, he's likely gonna dominate and that will be great to see. He seems to have his head on straight, meaning he won't mope and pout if he's sent back.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:03 pm EST

I think VEENYO will probably pick hunwick ...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:40 pm EST

Oh, BTW - I have NO idea what to do about the 7th D-man. They all seem out of their depth at the moment. Do you keep the Undertaker? At least he is a stand out because of his physicality - at least he does something 'different'. The rest of these guys look pretty much equally 'meh'. AV has it right - nobody is 'taking it'. We have some really good kids up front, but need to restock the war-chest on the backend by the looks of it. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:34 pm EST

Man, I'll tell you - our kids looked ALOT better against the Flyers A Team then vice-versa. Good to let those kids get in the fire. The Flyers had some sustained pressure, but they didn't really wilt. Would have been tied (at least) if Hayes got that puck in that was behind Emery. Honestly, expecting most of the guys in the game tonight to get sent down. Duclair is the question - man, if this kid was a little more selfish tonight he would have had at least two more prime scoring chances. He is just one of those kids where the puck just follows him. Funny, am watching the Rangers game on the laptop and have the Bruins game on the TV. They were talking about some of their prospects in the past and how they were not afraid to keep a 19 yr. old on the team that showed he 'got it'. Players like Bergeron, Lucic, and Sequin... when you got it you got it. We'll see how it goes, but there are exceptions - and the Duke sure is making a case to be an exception. LET'S GO RANGERS!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:29 pm EST

I'll tell ya what....when the regular season arrives, we are go na skate circles around these slugs....they suck. We were right there with them the whole game and came on strong in the 3rd and that was most of their regulars out there.

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:25 pm EST

Stempie will make this team.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:15 pm EST

Du lair too unselfish....passed up two good shooting opportunities this game. Man, he looks good. Don't see how they can send him down....he plays well away from the puck, too.

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:13 pm EST

The king Prince duke and count ....

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:11 pm EST

BOB/RF4L.... The Rangers could only keep Duclair for 9 games before they'd have to clear out a contract to keep him on the roster.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:06 pm EST

Yo RF4L---the Duke may end up back in Quebec this season, but I doubt it is going to be for opening night. He looks like a keeper, for awhile at least.

Bob


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:05 pm EST

Man, what an oddball menagerie of players tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:03 pm EST

Ha know what? Ha can't let friggin' Simmonds abuse one of our young guys like that. I don't give a sh!t if it's only preseason, someone should send a message and knock his f%^kin' teeth out!

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:02 pm EST

Goalies pads are almost bigger than BAZOOKERELLA

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:58 pm EST

iggy: NHLN will rebroadcast the game tomorrow morning at 8;00 AM. Other than that we are out of luck.

gene_carr


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:55 pm EST

Kevin Hayes is going to start the season in the AHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:53 pm EST

Duke of eclair

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:52 pm EST

If Cam Talbot's AHL stats are any indication, he may be in for a tough season..... DUCLAIR!!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:18 pm EST

A game like tonight is REALLY telling and pretty fun to watch. It's great seeing these kids have to react against NHL-caliber talent... meaning, you don't have time to react. They're hanging with all their might! LGR!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:16 pm EST

7:26PM: In regard to Marc Staal.... On Insider Trading, Pierre LeBrun said “There is a good chance that they will be able to but they are not there yet. There were productive talks before camp started and those will resume very soon. I think the Rangers would love to get Staal signed to a deal around Dan Girardi but I think Staal is looking for a bit more so they will need to find a place in the middle. (TSN) 5:55PM: StaalThe Rangers and Marc Staal have made “no progress whatsoever” on their way to a contract extension. (NY Post) There have been no “meaningful talks” between the Rangers and Staal’s agent for “weeks.” (NY Post) The Rangers are believed to be offering the six-year deal worth $5.5 million per year that Dan Girardi signed and “don’t appear inclined” to go higher.” (NY Post) Staal is looking for at least $6 million per year on a six or seven year deal. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:17 pm EST

BWAHAHA! DZ steps on the ice and the Rangers score a shorty. Lol. Go Hags!

Z


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:16 pm EST

Game is blacked out on MSG on DTV in TX. Anyone know where I might find it? It's not on NHLN or NBCSN.

iggy


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:15 pm EST

HAGGY shorty

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 6:06 pm EST

del zero in for the Cryers tonight?

stevielegs


Tue Sep 30 2014 4:38 pm EST

Sorry HOSPO, my misunderstanding.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 4:25 pm EST

PJ - SIMMONDS will be buzzing Talbot all night, like he does every game...Love to see KLEIN obliterate him like he did Boyle and Dorsett last year,,C'mon Kev, it's only exhibition, throw in a fight for us,.:)

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 4:13 pm EST

Brooks article in today's NYPOST 4:05 pm.... Quotes several informed sources, must be referring to RFC/ aka, The Wall....

mf


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:57 pm EST

Klein is a very good fighter but rarely fights....He may not have a choice tonight....Hope he stands up for his teammates....I believe the Flyers will play an extremely physical game and will attempt to humiliate the Rangers....Usually backfires on them though....

PJ


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:02 pm EST

VIC - I don't see where anybody on here said the game was meaningless..Only the score is meaningless...We all know the game is very important to the players trying to win those last jobs as well as the vets getting ready for the season..Best competition yet, who comes up big?

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 2:27 pm EST

Actually, I don't think the FLYERS intend to goon it up. If they were going to do that I would have thought they would have done it last night, not tonight. Tonight they are icing their regular season lineup. I'm sure they are just as concerned about an injury to GERIOUX, etc. My guess is that they will focus on trying get their lines and team playing some time playing together going into the season. They may want to blow the Rangers out tonight but I don't expect it to get out of hand. It will be physical and their usual suspects will still be assholes but other then an incidental fight or two I wouldn't expect this one to blow up. But, you never know when Filthadelphia is involved. As for what this game means or doesn't mean I couldn't disagree more with the sentiment that it is meaningless. Jobs are going to be won or lost tonight for the Rangers. If the kids come out and light up the Flyers starting lineup it means something. If DUCLAIR continues to put up a goal and an assist a game it means something. If HAGGERTY, LINDBERG and a few others play a strong game it could very well cement a spot on the roster. If ALLEN and HUNWICK play well that could mean they make this team. Now, the same is true for the opposite. If those same players implode (unlikely) or just seem overmatched that will be all AV needs to see to say that are not ready. In short, with cuts coming right after this game, it is make or break time. If DUCLAIR is going to make this team it probably happens because of tonight. The same goes for HAGGERTY, LINDBERG, HRIVIK, MEULLER, HAYES and even STEMPNIAK. I don't think BORQUE or KRISTO have a shot at this point. The other kids have just played so damn well.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 2:05 pm EST

Rangerlou- Just like last night, the outcome of the game will mean nothing, even if it's 8-0 one way or the other.. It will be forgotten by Thursday,,,,but it will be good to see how guys like Duclair, Haggeryt, Hayes, Mueller and Lindberg fare against their best competion yet,,..and if any of the extra-D-men have what it takes,

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:59 pm EST

I just hope we dont get trashed tonight. Physically and and Spititually

rangerlou


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:45 pm EST

I think tonight's lineup us a smart one - gives all the prospects a chance to show what they have and keeps our key players from getting injured in a game in Philly where we can expect the Flyers to seek some physical revenge.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:29 pm EST

Tarnasky and KLEIN (Moore and Klein will get ALOT of time) with the pugilisitc endeavors tonight...Klein can throw them when he wants to

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:26 pm EST

I was totally impressed by the kids last night, but let's temper our gaganess with the fact the the Flyers iced a a scrub team last night, like the Rangers are doing tonight...JFC/VIC - Been saying that for awhile and this morning about the Rangers potentially being in a great trade position come the deadline with alot of ammo and chips...And there's not one kid or support vet I wouldn;t trade to give us really improved chance at a cup....Some kids you keep..some you trade...All we can hope for is that BOTH the kids and vets play well because we are, without a doubt, going to need both

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 1:23 pm EST

Thrilled to death that they are playing the "WolfPack" lineup tonight...In fact I don't think the Rangers should EVER play the Filthies in preseason...I was at the 500 penalty minute fiasco many years ago where there were only 8 skaters a side for the 3rd period...An outright disgrace...Accomplishes absolutely nothing except the worry that our of our premier players gets taken out by the likes of a Zach Scortini....It was reported that zombies said they were scared when they saw that guys face.

RF73


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:48 pm EST

TD: As far as I am concerned I say "Bring it on". What better way to see how these kids stack up against NHL level talent. I guess it might be better if it was more of a mixed roster so that the guys you want to really look at have NHL players around them but so be it. When I look at the Rangers forward lineup the first thing that comes to mind is "How are the Flyers going to skate with these guys?". The Flyers are a slow team to start with and this Rangers lineup looks fast. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:15 pm EST

Rangers lineup announced...man...gonna be a LONG game tonight...so basically, the Rangers are starting the Hartford Wolfpack plus KLEIN, HAGELIN, MOORE and TALBOT...against the starting lineup for the Flyers...You got to wonder whether the teams agreed to this situation before scheduling the games...The kids played great last night, but man...Who the hell is going to contain GIROUX on that defense?!? I hope I'm wrong, but I see the tables being turned tonight: Goalies: Cam Talbot, Jason Missiaen Defensemen: Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Matt Hunwick, Kevin Klein, Mike Kostka, John Moore Forwards: Ryan Bourque, Anthony Duclair, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Danny Kristo, Oscar Lindberg, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Lee Stempniak, Nick Tarnasky

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:09 pm EST

JFC: Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. At the deadline it will be those young kids going elsewhere for veteran players for a playoff run. That is the mentality of GMs and a lot of folks here. I don't agree with it but it is what it is. The Rangers will end up trading HAYES and MUELLER for SHANE DOAN or something like that. It drives me crazy sometimes.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:56 am EST

If the young guns continue to impress from preseason right through the regular season (whether in NHL or AHL), then Sather is gonna have the ability to make alot of noise via TRADES. If we are a Cup contender at the deadline (and we should be), Sather will have greater ability to make a couple of blockbusters to get us the ingredients that AV feels he needs to make us a Cup favorite because we've got young players who can take the place of veteran players who other teams might want in package deals. Seems like we've got a multitude of young guys who are gonna be capable of NHL duty very, very soon, if not ready already.

JFC31


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:39 am EST

One other thing to think about. The Rangers have played A LOT of hockey over the last few seasons. I think they were second in the number of games played to LA. That doesn't count the International games that were played by a number of the Rangers. The team may need the infusion of young, rested legs to get them over the first part of the season when there may be a little hangover effect. OLA: I was also thinking of a way the Rangers could keep at least one extra D and two extra forwards to rotate them through the lineup with the Regulars throughout the season. It makes a lot of sense to me. If everyone played about 5 out of every 6 games that would cut down on the number of minutes played for everyone this season and help keep everyone rested. Basically the idea is to keep 7 D and 14 forwards and rotate them through the lineup on a fairly even basis. This would also help cut down on the number of games for the younger players who aren't used to a full 82 game season plus playoffs. The problem for the Rangers is they are up against the Cap. I don't know if they have the room to do something like that.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:32 am EST

Just for grins here is my opening night lineup so far: MALONE-BRASSARD-MZA, NASH-LINDBERG-MSL, KREIDER-MILLER-HAGS, GLASS-MOORE-FAST. If MALONE is unable to go I would slide KREIDER up to the BRASSARD line and dress DUCLAIR with MILLER and HAGS. That line would be insanely fast and tough to play against. On D it would be McSSIAH-GIRARDI, STALL-BOYLE, KLIEN-MOORE. If GIRARDI can't go move KLIEN up with McSSIAH and put DM with MOORE.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:22 am EST

HOSPO: Yes, but that rule doesn't count for DUCLAIR. Basically the rule is that after the 10th game you burn that player's first year of his entry level contract. My understanding is that the Rangers have already burned that first year due to the time/way the contract with DUCLAIR was signed. The result is that the Rangers can keep him for as long as they want and send him back down to Juniors at any time this year. He cannot go to the AHL but he could go back to Juniors after 10, 20, 30, 40 or however many games the Rangers want.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:18 am EST

Where to start!!! I don't care who Filthadelphia dressed last night. What I care about was what I saw from the Rangers. This may be the best training camp and preseason I can ever remember for this organization. I don't ever recall the Rangers having this many young players with this kind of speed and talent fighting to make the team. DUCLAIR is some talent. I don't see how he benefits from being sent back down to Juniors. He is big enough to play NHL hockey now and he needs the competition to continue to develop. Plus, there is a chance of him developing bad habits if he is that much better then everyone else. I was hoping HAGGERTY would get a chance to show what he can do on something other then the 4th line and boy did he ever last night. The kid can play and I love the fact that he is a right handed shot. He can be a weapon on the PP this year if he gets the chance. HAYES did some solid things and showed some great hands. I have to believe that he is going to get sent down to be Hartford's #1 Center while he gets used to pro hockey. I would not be surprised at all to see him called up during the year. MUELLER continued to look good and is another right handed shot with excellent PP instincts. FAST had a solid defensive game and proved he can add offense as well. In my mind he has shown enough to make this team on the 4th line and will be a PK specialist. I said yesterday that I didn't like the idea of MILLER with NASH and MSL and while that "line" had a decent game I didn't think MILLER did. It looked to me like MILLER was trying to hard to get the puck to those two instead of just playing his game. There will always be some "AK27" in MILLER (meaning shiite for brains) but I can accept that. If NASH and MSL are going to be kept together I would rather it be with someone like LINDBERG who can just concentrate on playing the defensive side while letting those two run wild.

Vic


Tue Sep 30 2014 11:00 am EST

One question: Does the NHL still have the rule where a Junior-eligible player like DUCLAIR can stay in the NHL for up to 10 games?..Another thing I'm loving about all these young guns showing they belong and the protential of also keeping the Vets like Malone, Lombardi etc..around some how (decisions up to Sather and AV) is that this team will have plenty of ammunition if it needs to make a trade for a missing piece come the deadline..This team is set up real nicely!

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:56 am EST

Staal did not have a great SCF series in my opinion....The series that mattered most...

mf


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:35 am EST

TDCHI - I'll tip my hat to you on HAGGERTY..He shocked the hell out of me,.,The kid has a nose for the net and knows what to do when he gets there...Also made some good defensive plays...Is he a full season NHLer? Can he still et better in the AHL? These are questions AV and Sather have to answer?.....DISAGREE on MILLER ..Saw more than the one huge mistake (the type of mistake that loses games)..Saw some little one, saw some shoddy passing in the last 2/3rds of the game..and some standing around...Being a buzzsaw when all is going rioght for the team is easy...Glad he came to camp focused and ready to play and he has ALL the physival tools..but still think he has a 10 cent Brain...No doubt he makes the team, and likely at the 2nd center, but also a player the staff will have to work with alot and may even bench during the year...

Hospo


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:34 am EST

I always try to look at more than what a young player does on the ice in regards to his ability to be a pro. There is a mentality about things, the way they say things, how much it sounds like the normal soundbite or how real it sounds. Duclair has shown on the ice that he has the skill needed to play in the NHL, his game looks good, now the question is, will he be good enough without the puck, and good enough with it and strong enough when the pre-season ends and regular season begins, and could he handle the secondary ramp up as the playoffs approach and again as the playoffs start?The vets don't go at 100% until the very end of the pre-season usually, but the kids do, and thats why sometimes they look better early on. HOWEVER there is something Duclair said that grabbed me, he is either really good at making it sound really good, or he really gets "it" ::: “Going back to juniors wouldn’t be a downgrade at all,” Duclair said. “It’s just a question of development. I’m still a kid, I’m still 19 years old. There’s still a lot of things I need to work on. Like I said, I want to stay here as long as possible, but if I end up going back to juniors it’s nothing bad.”::: If he really feels this way,and really understands the situation and accepts it as not being a bad thing, this kid will ams the jump form the Q to the NHL, if not this year, than next. Only size and experience may slow him down at all. But all in all, I can't believe they got him in the 3rd round.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:16 am EST

RF4L - Nah...they're going for the win tonight...Rinaldo is the only joker in the lineup right now..and then there's the giant windbag, Simmonds...don't see why they wouldn't skate Big Mac a second night...I certainly would...He's an RHS...Allen is an LHS. Put 'em on a line together, I say.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:09 am EST

TD: From what I've read, no skating for Girardi until Friday and if so, it's more than a maintenance day. Agreed on being careful who you dress against a goonsquad like the Flyers, but players have to get playing time and to me, if you're worried about injuries due to a stupid team like the Flyers, why even agree to play them in pre-season? It'll be worse tonight - it's in Philly. Hopefully, Taranasky will dress because it sounds like McI won't (because Allen will).

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:08 am EST

PJ/MF- Based on your assessment of Marc Staal, I will assume you were both out of the country and missed the NHL playoffs last year...

schneidw


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:07 am EST

Well, if the Rangers were playing the ECHL team last night, they're playing the regular-season Flyers tonight. Here's there lineup: Schenn-Giroux-Voracek;Raff-Vinny-Umberger;Read-Couturier-Simmonds;Rinaldo-Bellemare-Akeson...on D Streit-Grossmann;Morin-Coburn;LSchenn-Del Zotto...Psycho Emery in net.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 10:00 am EST

RF4L - Last I heard GIRARDI was having a maintenance day...And in truth, why do you want a soldier like that playing in pre-game? I tell you, I was a little disappointed to see McDONAGH skating against those goons, especially after he took an elbow to the face...last thing we need is either of them injured by one of these minor-league hacks.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:19 am EST

And for the SSM Greyhounds, Brandon Halverson is 2 and 0 and more importantly, has played both of the team's regular season games. He was the team's backup last year - guess he's the number 1 now.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:19 am EST

And for the SSM Greyhounds, Brandon Halverson is 2 and 0 and more importantly, has played both of the team's regular season games. He was the team's backup last year - guess he's the number 1 now.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 9:16 am EST

BTW, good start for Adam Tambellini since he was sent back to junior: 2 goals, an assist and a +1 in 2 games for the Calgary Hitmen.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:31 am EST

Anyone know what's wrong with Girardi? AV saying not serious and he'll be on the ice by week's end, but although he's a horse, we've speculated on here numerous times about his style of play lending itself towards injuries as he gets older. I find the Rangers are being rather secretive about what's ailing him.

RF4L


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:14 am EST

Couple things: I don't know how anyone could watch that game and come up with 'MILLER is a third-line center.' I'd say he didn't play AS good as his first two games, but he still played a good game...made one boneheaded play...but outside of that, the kid was all over the place...granted, he got outshined by the other supernovas last night...but he had a VERY solid game...still haven't seen any indication that he'll be a bad fill-in for STEPAN...Was 70 percent in the faceoff circle too...What I tell you guys about HAGGERTY? Though he chooses last night to score goal in a way totally contrary to how I was characterizing him several hours earlier...Really liked McILRATH'S play...I think he's either ready or just about ready for NHL duty...Nothing more to say about DUCLAIR that hasn't been said already...I'd caution to take STAAL'S play with a grain of salt...the one negative I did take from that game is that BOYLE is an absolutely dreadful defenseman. The only way that guy is going to play minutes at D is if he gets partnered with a beast like Staal...Tanner GLASS and Rick NASH did a lot to win me over last night...both had great games...and I'd say again that HUNWICK is the odds-on favorite to win the seventh defender roll.

tdchi


Tue Sep 30 2014 8:14 am EST

A lot of fun to pound the cheesesteaks no matter what time of the year! Two "WOW" moments last night. 1. DuClair's opening marker was a laser to the top left corner, I believe, because even in slow motion I didn't see the damn thing! This kid has skill. 2. Hayes no look pass from Gretzky's office to Fast was a thing of beauty and a real eye opener! Love what I saw from the kids last night and the Undertaker looked VERY poised compared to previous outings. The future is BRIGHT! LGR! Drop the puck!

DCIGolfer


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:34 am EST

Stevie....great Summer....and just drinking in general.....no KoolAid LOL!

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:27 am EST

Love the kids...future looking better. I think DuClair needs another year in Jr's to mature physically....and becoming a Fan of both Glass and McIlrath.....

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 7:27 am EST

Love the kids...future looking better. I think DuClair needs another year in Jr's to mature physically....and becoming a Fan of both Glass and McIlrath.....

MelvilleFred


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:06 am EST

Haha here is a link. http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/sverige/shl/article11253196.ab He had 5 lines, but sat 2 every game and played with 3 lines all games. If used in the NHL all players would only play 49 games a year.

Ola


Tue Sep 30 2014 3:04 am EST

Can't we play with 2 teams in the NHL? ;) A very experienced coach in the SHL (Leif Boork) tired to play with 5 units/lines some time ago. He had a set rotation schedule where all units played the same amount. Maybe AV should try it? In the SHL the players revolted after a horrendous start, but... ;)

Ola


Tue Sep 30 2014 12:51 am EST

Man that is some serious showtime sh*t from Haggerty. Pure goal scorer's goals. Some guys look to tip-toe to the net and thru the crease. This kid attacked it with speed, tremendous hands and knows just what he's doing. Dont care who you're playing, no goalie is stopping those. Stempniak must be looking at Haggerty, Fast and DuClair and thinking he shouldve signed elsewhere.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:11 pm EST

MF - I think for awhile STAAL wasn't as physical as he used to be before the injuries...but I thought he was extrermely physical and at times nasty in last years PO..Hopefully that is an indication of that part of his game being back..

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:08 pm EST

mf....No doubt Staal isn't as physical as he once was....Before his concussions he was becoming a dominant D'man....His battles with OV were classic....He is still good but I wouldn't give him big $$$ for 5-6 years.....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:08 pm EST

Boston signed Smith & Krug to one yr deals, they're over the Cap by $3.6mill, but once Savard ($4mill) is placed on the LTIR, they clear...........http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732187&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:08 pm EST

PJ - Hope you are right with Allen..I gotta see more/better before I can think his ceiling is anything more than a 6th-7th D-man

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:04 pm EST

Hope I'm as wrong as wrong can be on Staal.. Noticed he's been penalized half the minutes since pre-concussion days, does this mean he tapered off the physical part of him game? That's what I see in the tea-leaves........ Hopefully the defense doesn't turn into our Achilles Heel............

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:03 pm EST

Allen is arguably closer than McIlrath, and several are poised to compete with Skjei next year (Bodie, Zamorsky, Noreau, Anderson)

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:03 pm EST

Hospo....I like Allen on D also....Has looked good so far....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:02 pm EST

Hospo....I like Allen on D also....Has looked good so far....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:52 pm EST

PJ - By signing college boys such as Hayes and Haggerty a well as a young FA like MUELLER together with signing the vet that he did, Sather really grew the system and solidified the pipeline this off season.......I questioned the talent in the org before this year but my mind has kinda been put at ease....Not saying it's the best, but it's fine...Well, maybe except the defense which only has McI and Skeji

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:51 pm EST

Miller did have a real bad turnover that led to a goal but he also had a great start to tonight's game...Was all over the place....Overall he has had a strong preseason....The one thing that does worry me is Boyle's defensive play....He flat out sucks and turns the puck over far too much....Staal will lose his mind playing with this guy....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:46 pm EST

Not sure how watching these kids do so well can be looked as anything but awesome....People come on here talking about various site rankings of our prospects and claim we are a mess for trading our picks....Now we see guys like Duclair and Haggerty actually putting on a show and some still can't recognize we may have some damn good youth in this organization....Early yes but I am stunned at what I have seen thus far.....Tomorrow night could get ugly fast....Hope AV has some muscle dressed....Flyers didn't care for tonight's smackdown....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:34 pm EST

Thats why McD is first pair and Staal is second. Think we can play 82 without a second-pair shut down D? See Philly tonight

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:30 pm EST

McDonagh also registered 77 games, 14 goals, 29 assists, 43 pts & +11, while Staal played 72 games, had 3 goals, 11 assists, for 14 points and was a -1...... 11 assists..

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:22 pm EST

Been saying for awhile, vets or kids (and the Rangers will need both this year), the Rangers are a very talented and fast team that is very capable of winning the EAST this year..Tonight did nothing to dissuade me......Just scattershooting around...I saw Haggery for the first time the other night and saw nothing, but he blew me and the Flyers away tonight....same thing with Duclair, the lkid oozes talent and knows how to play the game..I don't know if these guys are ready for the NHL now but if not, they will be soon * and DUCLAIR in the QMJHL seems a waste).....Jasper FAST....nothing spectacular but smart and is always in the right place..and that's twice he has buried a shot....no problem if he's a 4th liner......Wasn't that impressed with HAYES but then he makes that play and pass from behind the net that few can make..Again, he will be in the NHL sooner or later.just a question o timing....And MUELLER, I don't care about his goal, but here's another guy that does a little bit of everything...Should be in the NHL but not sure if he will be for the Rangers...Might be best as Captain of the WolfPack!.......And I don't expect perfection from McILRATH...keeping that in mind I thought he was more than fine..i thought his mobility and decision making was good enough for a 6th-7th D-man and his toughness and mean streak is desperately needed...Speaking of that, I LOVE Tanner GLASS...That guy needs to play every single night.......And, gotta say it, the WORST of The KIDS was easily JT MILLER..Again, so physically talented but so damn STUPID at times...made even worse by standing still after he makes mistakes...his passing was also subpar tonight..finding skates too many times...I'll be honest, I like him better at wing....One thingI hated as a team is when nobdy jumped in for MZA when he double whacked by the Flyers..oh well, small potatoes for now...But why MALONE and GLASS will be needed every night

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:27 pm EST

Nick: Yeah, kinda thought that. Love the kids doing well and 100% want it to continue. However, lots of history of kids dominating in preseason and flaming out when the games really count. Just saying....

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:25 pm EST

Rabid.... I do prefer 91 on him, but he surrendered 12 so Stempniak could have it. How ironic would it be if he took Stempniak's job away from him?

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:21 pm EST

Sounds like the kids are in full bloom. Cant wait to get back & rack up the dvr. Even Jesper, 2 goals, growing on me. Saw where he switched to 91 cause its his DOB. Good for him. Stemp & Lombardi better move their ass or it'll be all kids + Malone. Big night for McIlrath too from what Ive seen.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:17 pm EST

Nick; So Haggerty abusing a highly sought after Dman ( MacDonald ) and an NHL starting goalie ( Mason ) means nothing ?

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:14 pm EST

Staal was third among our D with hits last season, just five fewer than McD.

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:11 pm EST

RF: Flyers iced an ECHL team. Ours was more AHL. In keeping with my usual outlook, I'll say these games mean less than zero.

Nick


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:07 pm EST

Zach Stortini- scary thought is was drafted in 2003 and got 4 NHL seasons in which more than Hugh Jessiman can claim... ugh! Still tortured by that draft after 10 years..

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:07 pm EST

Zach Stortini- scary thought is was drafted in 2003 and got 4 NHL seasons in which more than Hugh Jessiman can claim... ugh! Still tortured by that draft after 10 years..

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:58 pm EST

Kis; JT a checking center at best ? Cmon. I think his ceiling is higher than Brassards, which is a good thing. What a sick pass from Hayes to Jesper ! I am liking this kid Hayes ! He has some good hockey IQ with patient skills. Big Mac had a good game. Mueller better than expected. Rangers in good shape. A good dearth of talent. Many options. AV has some huge decisions to make.

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:53 pm EST

i've said it before and I'll say it again... If Haggerty continues on this tear he's been on, I just don't know how the guy doesn't make the team.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:40 pm EST

BTW, didn't see the game - did the shitbox Flyers ice a team that closely represents what we'll see in 2 weeks??

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:39 pm EST

I would tade staal He doesn't want to play physical. 6Mill/ Take a hike. He is 4.5 -5 at best. If another team wants to pay him 7 mill let him go. I don't feel good about Nash either.Jt miller average game tonight. I don't see him as a 1st line or 2nd line center. checking center at best. I don't think he makes others around him better. He works hard as hell.

KIS


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:38 pm EST

Phuck-prick Rinaldo would NEVER fight someone like McI. Rinaldo's presence, however, is exactly why McI is needed.

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:38 pm EST

All that ice time bodes well for McIlrath....means he's right there....they want to have an extended look at him and see every aspect of his game and if he's NHL READY.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

some very good play from the youngsters. Duclair, speed and a great shot. Haggerty great pick up quick and quick hands. I like the size and vision of hayes. That said I think all should still go down. Let the confidence grow. Lets get a body of work before we classify them stars. jes[er fast good in front of goal, still gonna have a hard time making team. Could he be a Jan erixon type as he is very responsible in all zones. good speed as well seems to have good balance. I thought McIlrath played very good. He didn't get out of control. skated half decent but he always gives good support to his mate and other players. Hits hard. He has a presence. Plus he almost always keeps possessin of the puck doesn't give the puck away. Plays simple. big thing is you didn't see the flyer monkeys going stupid. Kid is a positive.

KIS


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

Sounds like the Rangers have like 5 NHL rookie of the year candidates! Woohoo!

RF4L


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 pm EST

Big, bad Zac Rinaldo....Wrath knocked his ass down twice this game...HARD...and Rinaldo just skated away. Real tough guy....when he's against smaller players. Otherwise, he's a puss.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:35 pm EST

We out hit them 40-30, out shot them 37-25, arguably won both fights, doubled them up on score, got goals from four different kids, 7 players with multi-point nights. Glass led everyone on the ice with five hits. McIlrath got almost 22:00, led on ice time. Brassard finishing 81% on face-offs with Miller right behind at 70%. A lot to like about tonight.

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:27 pm EST

now they do

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:24 pm EST

announcers didn't mention Glass setting up that play

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:14 pm EST

uh oh. Is this how Hank starts the season again?

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:06 pm EST

hey all -some very impressive play by the younger guys regardless of who they are playing against, they still scoring big league type goals against pretty good goalie. Going to be some interesting choices. Flyers are total trash -not sure if Stortini is a player or one of their fans? Great line MF about Simmonds doing the verbal turtle- I certainly had a good laugh. Typical though he'll play tough at home tomorrow instead..

jim9k26


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:04 pm EST

Duclair can rip it. Nice release too.

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:53 pm EST

I wouldn't want to be AV and make some of these decisions. Duclair looks like he can play offensively in the NHL now, defensively not sure. I saw a bunch of RPI highlights on Haggerty, he has a real good shot and nose for the net. The Vets like Stempniak, Malone have to clear waivers, which might be the reason the kids don't make it, but so far they look like players.

puckyou


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:43 pm EST

Does Al Tratwig ask Haggerty about his Abs, Baloney Baton or Pinch his ass when they cut for a commercial.

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:27 pm EST

RF4L ! :-)

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:26 pm EST

that's 4 out of 5 right handed shot goals

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:26 pm EST

Who needs draft picks???

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:24 pm EST

Wow what a bunch of classless cowards

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:19 pm EST

What if Powe scores on Hank???

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:16 pm EST

Stortini

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:15 pm EST

Storting is a worthless POS....not even a hockey player. Can't skate, slow as whale sh!t....worthless goon

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:15 pm EST

that's 3 out of 4 goals on right handed shots

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:14 pm EST

Haggerty has good burst. Sneaky quick with a great shot !

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:14 pm EST

Hahahahahha told Ya!!!!!!! Taggerty is a Freaking SNIPER!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:14 pm EST

Need to find spots on bottom 12 for Duke, Haggerty, Lindberg, Fast, Hayes. Got to think it's no coincidence that Malone, Lombardi catch veteran flu right before cuts

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:11 pm EST

Haggerty is getting noticed!

nyfans


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:11 pm EST

Zucc with great chances that he gives away, Nash with no shot and refuses to pass

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:10 pm EST

Hate when Zucchini tries to thread the needle instead of shooting

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:09 pm EST

Love the role MSL is playing on the bench, talking to the kids, tutoring them.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:03 pm EST

Wow, could it be that we actually have some prospects? JT, Duclair, Hayes, Haggerty, Buchnevich coming?

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:58 pm EST

What I hope I'm seeing: the Rangers will give the NHL fits with their speed and they ain't takin' any sh!t from anyone.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:56 pm EST

JT Miller, Duclair, Zuccarello, Nash,Fast, .Haggerty,Are running circles around The Cheesesteaks

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:53 pm EST

Hhahahahhah ahahhaha ahahahaha ahahhahahhahah Al Trautwig comparing abs with Mcilrath

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:52 pm EST

Al Troutface

TradeStar28


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:51 pm EST

The way these kids are playing, Stempniak and Lombardi look more and more like liabilities.

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:50 pm EST

yet another awkward Trautwig interview. Anyone else catch McIlrath's eye-roll?

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:50 pm EST

The Duc(lair) of Earl has that swagger the Rangers have been missing for a long long time. He is a perfect fit for this team, maybe this year....most likely next........and he will be a fan favorite @ MSG for many years to come. He is the Rangers version of PK Subban....except Duclair plays offense and probably has more smarts.

TradeStar28


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:49 pm EST

Haggerty Loos like a future star. He has a nose for the net. And a sniper from the circle in.

rangerlou


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:48 pm EST

Hayes reminds me of Keith Primeau. His style is similar. I'm not saying he's going to be him. Gotta seriously consider Duc. Big Mac getting minutes. Like his game. Ronaldo wussed out on him. Hahahaha.

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:45 pm EST

Interesting forward pairs on the PK. NASH & BRASSARD, then HAYES & FAST... followed by DUCLAIR & ZUCCARELLO. I like the depth & diversity.

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:41 pm EST

JT is all over the puck.

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:41 pm EST

Announcer just said that MSL took it on himself to tutor Kristo one on one after practice

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:39 pm EST

I hope MILLER doesn't get busted for PED's because he looks like a completely different player to me. He is playing with a ton of confidence... He appears extremely determined & playing with JAM!! Go JT!!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:39 pm EST

Wrath looks calm and confident handling the puck in the defensive zone. He's making the right reads and the right passes. Steady. Safe. He's come a long way. I like what I see.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:38 pm EST

We look good

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:34 pm EST

Great to see MCDONAGH drop the gloves like that once in awhile... it is important for a Captain to do that.

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:30 pm EST

Flyers are out matched!! ... and their minor league good is pulling hair during a fight like a total punk!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:30 pm EST

Ok I like glass

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:24 pm EST

Pretty nice start. Wow!

Bob


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:24 pm EST

Flyers suck! Flyers suck!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:23 pm EST

POUR IT ON LIKE SYRUP!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:23 pm EST

Haggerty with a beautiful move....he's known for his shot, but he can dangle too!! Love it! YOUNG GUNS!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:22 pm EST

MY GOD!!!!! Some of us have waited our entire life's to see so much quality youth knocking on the door at the same time. This is UNREAL!!! Way to go to the net HAGGERTY!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:22 pm EST

Holy Molly! Keep that whole line up here! Haggerty - nice move!

Z


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:18 pm EST

Damn... This Duclair kid can play. He's one of those kids that the pick just follows - and when it does, he knows what to do with it. Speed to burn, good positioning and a nasty nasty shot! Wow! LGR!

Z


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:18 pm EST

The goalie was too deep, but that was a SERIOUS SNIPE by Duclair!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:17 pm EST

J#SUS CHR#ST!!!! DUCLAIR is absolutely insane!!! Love this kid!!! WOW what a shot!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:17 pm EST

Gotta keep the kid up

Messier11


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:16 pm EST

The kid is a SNIPER!

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 5:07 pm EST

If the NHL and its refs let the bs bullies play that way tonight it will prove why they are full of it with their instigator rule et al .... They better not run hank ....SATHER should stop agreeing to play those assholes in preseason ....it won't help Big Mac 's cause getting a penalty like he did in the last game,..

stevielegs


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:47 pm EST

The kind of team run by Bobby Clarke... Sits Simmonds after Simmonds runs his mouth, is a "verbal turtle."

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:40 pm EST

So The Flyers have basically decided they want a bunch brawls tonight... I personally LOVE IT!!! This type of Hockey will probably never been seen again in the regular season, and obviously the playoffs... so I'm Happy about tonight. By his will be FUN!!! ((("LET'S~GO~RANGERS")))

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:23 pm EST

TDCHI - You knew the scumbag Flyers would dress their penny ante goons..I would like to see how the Ranger regular players handle the tough stuff but it ain't worth the risk..Dress Mcilrath, Tarnasky,Glass and KLEIN (who might be the best fighter on the regular top 18)..and let it rip......

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:11 pm EST

Anyone out there install IOS 8.0.2 on their iPad and then can't post to The Wall? It works on Chrome but not Safari. Hey, Kara....have you guys set up The Wall to handle IOS 8.0.2?

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 4:09 pm EST

I hate the Flyers more than any team in existence. I just hope none of our guys get injured because those classless pieces of merda feel like they want to make a point in preseason. Too bad Simmonds isn't in....I'd take him on my team any day, but since he isn't I was hoping "Wrath" would kick his ass. Mashinter had him dead to rights in a fight last season, but made the mistake of holding up when he could have finished him off. He can't compete with a beast like Wrath.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 3:46 pm EST

hipcheck/Hospo - SIMMONDS and his fat-ass mouth was given the night off. Most he'll be doing is shouting insults from the stands. The Flyers DID dress ROSEHILL, SORTINI, LAURIDSEN(an AHL goon) AND RINALDO. What the hell kind of dirtbag team does that? I mean, seriously...an exhibition game? THREE goons and a joker? That's total bush-league bullshit.

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 3:45 pm EST

McIlrath in tonight. Glass too. DuClair playing as well.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 3:45 pm EST

For tonight I'd dress TARNASTY in addition to McIlrath just to send the message, if you want to goon it up, so be it....... OAN: sounds like AV has a direct line into Hospo, "AV says that he will go with whomever looks like they give them the best chance of winning!" :-) ...... schneidw: regarding Marc Staal: he played in 72 regular games last year & credited for 83 hits. (Girardi 191, a guy like Methot had 181) Staal played 25 playoff games, credited with 32 hits (Girardi lead all Defensemen with 80 hits in the playoffs, obviously Methot had NONE) ...... Supposedly, Staals Corsi & Fenwick #'s (which I don't understand well enough to talk about with any conviction) don't support the lofty levels which Ranger Fans attribute to Marc Staal.... Using Rick Nash as a comparison with concussion history, and the recent Nash & AV verbiage of ability to "focus" and the ability to be comfortable/uncomfortable during a game, ""it appears to me"" that Marc Staal is NOT comfortable in all areas of the game, and is a percentage of his former self.. I don't think anyone here would be surprised to learn the the puck to the eye (2nd injury) lead to another concussion or concussion like symptons.. (If this was already stated publicly, I apologize) this & the fact that we witnessed the Callahan & Girardi negotiations firsthand last season up to the trade deadline are the reasons I'm anxious to see & hear the Staal negotiations asap... It could be that Staal will continue to strengthen with time, and he will catch up on time out while injured, but with every dollar counting against the cap, and his last couple of years with 2 serious injuries, $6mill & 6years is a bit rich for my pallet.... I wonder how far into the season NYR management is willing to go without a deal in place. It could be that they are prepared to go the distance, which is the seasons end..... Time will tell

mf


Mon Sep 29 2014 2:52 pm EST

HIPCHECK - I love that stuff too BUTIf you want an old fashioned Philly-NYR donnybrook, you better hope AV dresses Mcilrath tonight otherwise it's pretty much Glass against the World and you'll see somebody like Kevin Hayes doing his best Dale Rolfe impersonation versus somebody like Rosehill or Stortinini

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 2:38 pm EST

I would love to see an "old fashioned" Ranger/Flyer pre season game tonight. The thought of MCILLRATH "rag dolling" SIMMONDS, RINALDO or whatever Farm-Hand tough guy they roll out. Are the lineups available yet? DUCLAIR has got to be in there again, right?

hipcheck


Mon Sep 29 2014 2:17 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - On the other hand, that is why I'm expecting a HUGE YEAR from Nash..In shape, ready, always skilled and late last year showed his noggin can handle the rough stuff....Him and St. Louis with a passer like Stepan could be a real good line (Sliding MILLER back to Haglin and ???)

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 1:39 pm EST

NASH- insult to injury as far as the Nash performance in the playoffs... in addition to the fear of contact and reinjury.. he was also out of shape AND not focused in practice... OUCH!!! This is a quote from AV....On Rick Nash, “it’s what we are looking for as far as veteran leadership. Rick, at every practice, has been focused and paying attention, paying attention to details on the ice. Working extremely hard, this camp compared to last year, it’s night and day.”

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 1:31 pm EST

Yeah JFC. I see Kreider dragging a D to the net every time, opening space for Zuc. We know hes goin to make things happen then, especially if the D jumps in. I can see that happening almost everytime down ice, cause some of these guys cant be defended.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 1:28 pm EST

MF- Staal should get ~$6M/yr from NYRs or more from another team like the Flyers/Islanders. So I am on the record saying Staal is worth 6 year deal and $35.5M total. If he is unwilling to accept that deal, which I suppose is possible... then I will shift my position into you camp and let him walk... I cannot remember the last time a top defenseman hit the UFA market at 27YO...Chara maybe?

schneidw


Mon Sep 29 2014 12:59 pm EST

Kreider with Zucc-Brass could work nicely. Look for them to work the ally-oop pass at least a couple of times to try and spring Krieder for a breakaway.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 12:55 pm EST

The young guns on this team must be feeling like the Hockey Gods are smiling on them, giving them an OPPORTUNITY to make this team. I absolutely believe AV when he says that he will go with whomever looks like they give them the best chance of winning, even if it's a young guy. If Lombardi has a groin stain, I reaaly don't see hgow he has enough time to heal and make an impression. Groins don't heal quickly in hockey and for a guy who depends on speed, Lombardi can very easily tweak it again if he tries to go too hard, too soon....but, what choice does he have? I agree that Malone might be given more leeway....but, that's because what he POTENTIALLY brings to the ice are ingredients that we lack and have no one else to provide them. Speed? We seem to have more than enough young guys who can motor. Stemp can apparently kill penalties, so that may help, but a guy like Lindberg can, too. These next two games against a Flyers team that supposedly has an axe to grind, provides a perfect opportunity for the youngins' to have a trial by fire and either come out showing that they're ready for the Big Show or burned by the heat of real NHL competition. I'd personally love to see the Young Guns shine and let the hips fall where they may. It's not about the "best" players (vets, reputations, stats, etc) , it's about which players play best.

JFC31


Mon Sep 29 2014 12:15 pm EST

I've been impressed with some of the kids so far (Miller, Lindberger, Duclair)) while the others have left me feeling meh..just as Lombadri and Stemp did,... though i did like what i saw of Glass and Malone..But, really, the significance of the first two games will pale in comparison to the next two games tonight and tomorrow and then the two this weekend...This is where the spots will really be won...Looking forward to the games...I hope both the kids and vets play well and make it hard on AV....

Hospo


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:26 am EST

As for LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK...I would have no problem throwing both on the waiver wire tomorrow if MILLER keeps playing the way he does and a guy like HAYES or HAGGERTY steps up. Between NASH, MSL, ZUCC, GIRARDI, STAAL and even McDONAGH...Rangers have some pretty solid vets now...younger vets, yes...but vets nonetheless. I don't see any of the scrubs they signed in the off-season as the type of 'character guys' that win cups. They fail safes if the kids don't perform.

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 11:23 am EST

Vic - I think one of the top reasons MALONE is in camp and stands a VERY good chance of making the team is that he brings a lot, if not more, of what BOYLE delivered consistently in the playoffs. I know he's far removed from that beast of a series he had against the Wings as a Penguin, but I saw a lot of that Malone in his first game as a Ranger. Now whether he can stay healthy is a totally different question...

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 10:07 am EST

Yeah, realized I meant to say Dustin Brown rather than Carter. Same point. I liked AVs line, talent has no age. Its not some board game where he who accumulates the most P & P"s wins, though certainly you have to draft your core, unless you can make 6 McD deals.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:58 am EST

RR: I agree and disagree. Specifically, I would list WILLIAMS as the guy who hurt the Rangers the most. Why, because he is not generally a top 6 player but in the playoffs the guy is money. He is exactly the kind of veteran that you want on your team. They kind that up their game to a level that is seemingly beyond their regular play. I would argue that GABBY and CARTER did nothing more then what they normally do. They are goal scorers who scored in the playoffs. Our big goal scorer didn't. I would also argue that the Rangers had their own version of WILLIAMS in BRIAN BOYLE. Yes, it hurt to lose POULIOT for what he meant to the line he was on and for his playoff performance (which was good). But, they guy that the Rangers will most miss in the playoffs is BOYLE. If you can convince me that LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK are guys like WILLIAMS and BOYLE go right ahead. I think you are going to have a tough case though.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:44 am EST

Two things on the never-ending youth v. age crap. One on ice, the other online. When I think back to who hurt us most in the SCFs, I think of Justin Williams, Gaborik, Carter etc. No spring chickens. But ive also always felt championing youth was a failsafe gor posters; lime prospects & picks are the answer to everything. We are in such a different place now, we have terrific young players. To name just 3, someone would have to tell me what NHL team has 3 guys under 26-27 that are better than Kreider; Zuccarello, and McDonagh.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:30 am EST

RHET: Interesting line combos. The one that I am most interested in seeing is the KREIDER-BRASSARD-MZA line. IMHO BRASSARD and MZA need to be kept together and an ideal winger that can mesh with them needs to be identified. It could be KREIDER. I know a lot of folks want to see how NASH looks with MSL but those two on the same line don't seem like they are complimentary to me. Maybe it works out but I think that line is going to lack the boardwork and PF needed. I don't want MILLER doing those things and he is the only one capable on that line. MILLER needs to be playing the full sheet of ice.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:25 am EST

TD: On HRIVIK, yes it is a shame he was derailed a bit. But, IIRC he was close to making the team out of camp last year and AV seemed to like him. His problem is that there is just that much more competition this year. From what I have seen of him in last years camp and so far this year he looks like an NHL player. On HAGGERTY, what you posted was my understanding of his game as well. My concern is that he is going to need to be more then that to stick at the NHL level. Teams won't keep an average player around on a roster just because he is good on the PP. He has to be able to make an impact at 5 on 5 in some way as well. Either by being a really solid defensive player and penalty killer, or by adding offense at even strength. Again, he didn't have the linemates to make an impact at even strength in Chicago so hopefully he gets another chance with a more offensive unit. PJ: I agree that DM has to be playing every night. If the Rangers are keeping a 7th with the team it needs to be someone like HUNWICK.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:04 am EST

Per Andrew Gross, Alain Vigneault has new lines for tomorrow’s preseason game against the “out for blood” Flyers: ....Kevin Hayes-Chris Mueller-Anthony Duclair ....Chris Kreider-Derick Brassard-Mats Zuccarello ....Rick Nash-J.T. Miller-Marty St. Louis ....Marek Hrivik-Matthew Lombardi-Jesper Fast ....Marc Staal-Dan Boyle ....Mat Bodie-Dylan McIlrath ....Matt Hunwick-Mike Kostka ....Ryan McDonagh-Steve Kampfer ....Naturally, one of those defensive pairs won’t be playing tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 29 2014 9:01 am EST

Vic...On one shift Haggerty displayed some sick moves coming into the offensive zone...Didn't notice him alot but appears to have some real talent....I also want MCI in the lineup sooner rather than later due to his toughness but only if he plays....Not as a 7th D...Same for Allen who is real smooth moving the puck...Allen is a big guy who isn't very physical from what I have seen...In his short stint with us I noticed he loses battles on the boards that he needs to start winning with his size....I believe Nosen commented on him adding some muscle in the offseason....

PJ


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:59 am EST

With the defense, the only guy I see as expendable in the near future(mind you, NOT now) is KLEIN. I was pleasantly surprised by his work last season, but if BOYLE is penciled in for the next two seasons, he's playing third pairing and getting paid good money to do it. I think that spot is McILRATH's once he shows consistency at the NHL pace...and while it's still a little wishful thinking, I can also see NOREAU one day lining up over there...You can't replace STAAL...not a player in the system that has his talent. SKJEI, ALLEN and MOORE are all very good defenders...But they're not Staal...only way you move him is if Staal says he's ready to move on. And then let me tell you: If all we're getting back is METHOT, then we as Ranger fans should be outraged...if Staal is on the block, start with a top prospect and a first rounder. Move from there...if it's Ottawa, get me Cody CECI, their top pick in 2015 and LAZAR. That's when I say 'OK. Trade Staal."

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:46 am EST

Vic - On HAGGERTY, one thing I've noticed about him with RPI is he's in the sniper's mold. He's not a guy that's going to wow you with his play with or away from the puck...but when he has it and can get anywhere near the net, the chances of it going in are pretty good. He's got good accuracy and a quick release...lethal on the PP...but he's not a player that will dazzle you from the get-go...Not like when you see DUCLAIR'S speed or MILLER'S hands...You'll see him score a lot from around the circle...he'll sneak back to the top of the circle...the other team's forwards will lose him in the mix and once that happens, all he needs is the puck on his stick...good chance he'll score...my question with him is whether that shot will work as well with NHL goaltenders...no one credit the NCAA with having good netminders.

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:38 am EST

stevie- Those listings are what they are. So many others are listed above their rankings so it doesn't even make sense to speculate on true listings. I agree completely, size isn't an issue for Duclair.

Ola


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:36 am EST

Vic - HRIVIK is kind of a sad story...I remember when the kid first joined Hartford three years ago, he came in like gangbusters...had an incredible playoffs...and then followed it up with both a good came and a great start for the Pack...was pretty much playing top-two lines and then suffered a nasty concussion at the hands of a goon from the Flyers farm club...struggled to get back after that injury and wasn't the same player when he did...then last year, the pack had an influx of talented forwards...Fast, Lindberg, Kristo..return of Miller, the elevated play of Bourque ...he found himself on third line with the grinders and really just seemed to be slipping through the cracks...I mean, even now he's pretty far down the depth chart...though that goal he scored opened some eyes...while a little fluk-ish, he was in the right place at the right time and that's half the battle right there...I agree, he looked good...seems to be back in the form he was two years ago...shame there aren't more spots, because I could see him winning a job on third line...that said, I think it's going to take one hell of a bite from the injury bug for Hrivik to crack this lineup...but you never know...stranger things have happened...and now with this Lombardi injury...that's one less competitor...

tdchi


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:28 am EST

On LOMBARDI, STEMPNIAK and MALONE. One of my biggest concerns with guys over 30 is that their bodies cannot take the level of punishment required in a full NHL season. As we have talked about here many times over the years, this sport increasingly favors younger, bigger, stronger, faster skating players. When players begin to lose their physical edge their play can drop off dramatically. It isn't an effort issue or lack of desire. It is simply an issue of diminished physical ability. We saw this with RICHARDS and NASH. Even if a player only loses a small percentage of his speed and quickness that could be all it takes to turn a very good player into an average player. That doesn't even take into account the fact that their bodies simply can't take the same level of punishment and continue to play at a high level. This was the reason that I would not consider resigning CALLY for anything over $4 Million per year. CALLY cannot continue to play the physical game that made his career. If he tries he is going to spend more time on IR then off it. It was a bad investment. MALONE showed a lot in his one preseason game so far. He showed a dimension that the Rangers lack and would love to have. For that reason I think he sticks with the Rangers. LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK showed me nothing in their first games. LOMBARDI was invisible and STEMPNIAK wasn't much more. He played well in his own end for the most part but was completely invisible outside of his own blue line. Both of those guys are being outplayed by at least a handful of kids (MILLER, DUCLAIR, LINDBERG, HRIVIK, HAYES, FAST and both BORQUEs). Speaking of the BORQUEs.....CHRIS looked pretty good on the point on the PP. He has a hard and accurate shot and a shoot first mentality. I like those traits. One guy I was hoping to see more from was HAGGERTY. He didn't play poorly at all. He just didn't have an impact in the game. I didn't see any shift where I came away saying that it was an excellent shift for HAGGERTY. Again, he had 4th line duty and minutes so he was kind of in the same boat as FAST the other night. I would like to see both get some more offensive opportunities, especially HAGGERTY on the PP, which is supposed to be a strength for him.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:11 am EST

Other thoughts. NASH has lost weight. You can see it in his formerly chubby cheeks. He looks a little quicker and he played with more aggression the other night. He did try to cut to the net and he was skating hard all night. It was all in the right direction but we need to see more and he needs to be more consistent. Both ALLEN and BIG MAC looked good to me. Neither was perfect but I don't expect perfect. Both played well enough that I could see them playing in the NHL this year and not being out of place at all. I can live with what DM isn't because of what he is. He is a big, nasty, punishing player who will stick up for his teammates without hesitation. He moved the puck just fine. He doesn't have great wheels or quickness but he brings an element of battle to the front of the net the Rangers don't have. I think there is a place for him on this roster if he beats out ALLEN (or KLEIN or MOORE). The Rangers are up against the CAP. If AV thinks DM and/or ALLEN are ready I could see them moving KLEIN. At this point I think it more likely that both ALLEN and DM start in Hartford and will be injury call ups. I thought LINDBERG and HRIVIK both played well. I really like HRIVIK. He has size, skates well and has good hands. Again, I want to see more of both because they both look ready to make the jump to me. MILLER was outstanding again. So far it looks like the concern over the Rangers depth at Center after STEPAN's injury isn't an issue. MILLER will be centering one of the top two lines. He has done everything to show that he should be. DESJARDINS looked very good to me. Active, aggressive and quick. If TALBOT falters (and he didn't look good against the Devils) DESJARDINS looks like a capable backup to HANK.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:05 am EST

Saw a lot of people giving JT credit for a strong night on faceoffs, which he deserved. But Lindberg was 5 of 6, 4 of 6 against Jonathan Toews. One game & no giant sampling but what you want to see.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 29 2014 8:02 am EST

Anthony Duclair New York Rangers Anthony Duclair Left Wing - NYR Number: 63 Height: 5' 11" Weight: 185 Shoots: Left Born: Aug 26, 1995 (Age 19) Birthplace: Pointe-claire, QC, Canada ...kid just turned 19.....looks bigger than 5'11" 185......

stevielegs


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:54 am EST

First chance to post since the Chicago game and I wanted to add my $.02. DUCLAIR is obviously the thing that most fans will want to talk about, and rightly so. The kid as FANTASTIC in his first pro game. What surprised me most was that he did not look nearly as small as I was thinking he would. He was always described as a small but fast player with a lot of skill. Well, he didn't look small to me. His speed, skill and attention to the defensive end were much more then I was expecting at this stage of his career. We need to see consistency at this level but if he demonstrates that in the next few games I can't say that he doesn't belong here right now. He wasn't really on my radar as being a player who would stick with the team out of camp but after the game the other night how could he not be in that mix? Especially if it is true that the Rangers have already burned the first year of his entry level contract either way. The only question is does it benefit him in any way to send him back to juniors? He isn't too small or weak on his skates to play at this level now. Sure, we would love to see him bulk up but he isn't a scrawny kid. I am excited to see how he plays in the rest of camp and how the Rangers handle this. I don't think they were planning that he would be ready this soon. It is a nice problem to have.

Vic


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:32 am EST

Mfred guess you had a good summer starting the fall with optimism ... Drinking the koolaide or you have a fever? ... It can be done... Why not us ? .... Next beer my treat...

stevielegs


Mon Sep 29 2014 7:04 am EST

For those of you playing the Home Game...last team to loose in the CUP Finals and win the CUP the following season was Pittsburg. Lost in '08 won in '09. It can be done......

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 29 2014 6:20 am EST

“Whoever gives us the best opportunity to compete and to win,” Vigneault said. “If he’s a young player and he shows us that he’s ready to step in and assume a role where we need a player, we’ll take that guy. It doesn’t matter if he’s a veteran or a young player.”

stevielegs


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:00 pm EST

Hospo, gotta hand it to ya for consistently beating that drum. Takes some balls living among several generations of fans not only still traumatized by Middleton, but by the first 7-8 of Sather (where I always swore the BIGGEST deficiency was not filling the roster+, vet or rook, as has finally been done this year to overflowing). Its important to emphasize how important this year is. Weve got to take the next step or die trying. I dont care if AV has to don pads like Lester Patrick. The franchise seems so full it should run on cruise control for quite a while as far as replenishment.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:34 pm EST

SCHNEDW - It's a young man's game---if and when they are good enough...I'd rather have Fast/Lindberg over Stemp/.LOmbardi only if they are better..,..Every year you go after the Cup with your best team...not youngest..If you've drafted well, your young players will eclipse the older ones..That;s when they play..

Hospo


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:10 pm EST

Not even in a pinch. Less so for Klein. That's where he started, and couldn't hang.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:09 pm EST

Count me as one who doesnt see anything major happening eith any of Staal or Moore or Bobby Ryan or Nash. And for the first time since probably 1995, Im happy. The roster is full & deep with guys who can really help. Even a guy like Lombardi, ok, todays wasnt his day so its easy to label him an old man and reclamation project, could be a big big find. Once they get this sorted out, could really be dynamite. No one knows what the future holds, but as an attempt to get to the next/last level, I think its been smart and is real exciting. And no one can say if we dealt Nash for Evandet Kane tomorrow our chances eould be any better. In fact they could be worse.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:06 pm EST

I agree w/ SchneidW. Methot does not compare to Staal. Steal is a beast, and while his health is a concern, I don't think many guys can step in and replace a guy who obviously has the respect of his teammates and can be a game breaker. This team has had enough chemistry experiments over the last few years. Contract issues are a concern, but you can't lose all three of the letter leaders in less than 8 months when the team has had as much success and camaraderie on and off the ice.

ColoradoMark


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:53 pm EST

Whoever said push Moore up so we can move Marc Staal? What is this, hieroglyphics? I said in a pinch the tandem of Klein & Moore can handle 2nd line minutes, and I'll put myself further out there, by the way they played in the SCF's, I believe they perform adequately...

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:49 pm EST

I want to see who veenyo wants, not who fans want. he kept poo until he became a real player. the coach has the eye and the patience needed. kids need to succeed in the ahl first......then prove they can handle the nhl......when there is a spot.....winning ....ask Derek Jeter.......

stevielegs


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:46 pm EST

Appreciating Moore is one thing I think many of us here do. Pushing him into top four so we can move Staal is where I think you lose some folks

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:43 pm EST

John Moore: really feel he is under-appreciated on the Wall lately. The kid skates above average, is pretty quick, throws the body, and he & Klein can step up into the 2nd pair in a pinch, all for $850K (a friggin cut in pay) per...Klein logged plenty of minutes with Nashville.......AS of now I think our 2nd defensive pairing is our most questionable at the moment..........Don't know what you guys saw in Conner Allen yesterday, but if York18 said he played well, I'll accept it as fact......

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 7:17 pm EST

schneidw: sure. maybe you'll put yourself out here on record on how you'd deal with negotiating with Marc Staal.

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:37 pm EST

Moore is well aware of picking it up offensively I think. Made a heckuva play on Millers goal the other night. Hes one of the most interesting 'growth' stories among the young guys. And they love him already, think he gets every chance.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:17 pm EST

Rabid- Good points. I guess John Moore could be moved to make a roster spot available for Allen, if the UMass FA is a true upgrade... Moore is still a work in progress and hate to trade a gifted 23YO former 1str round pick who has logged a lot of solid games since coming to NY... but at the same time, Moore has not produced enough offense to be deemed untouchable IMHO

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:14 pm EST

HOSPO- Another reason why NYRs need to keep prospects moving into the lineup and turnover non-core players each year... NHL is a young man's game... look at RIchards tailed off after 31YO...its way too common...I would rather see Fast/Lindberg than Lombardi/Stempiak...just sayin'

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:12 pm EST

Id think Duclair ends up in the Q, though with injuries mounting he could get thr 8-10 games. But Id see him and maybe Buchnevich replacing MSL & Nash (maybe), eventually. Think Allen is making a strong bid too, but nowhere for him to play.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:11 pm EST

MF- please no more Method trade for Staal nonsense... absurdity...Staal is one of the top defenders in the NHL, a great leader and homegrown player....Methot is NONE of those things... why are you hell bent to destroy the team chemistry??

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:07 pm EST

MF- You understandably misunderstood my post. To rephrase,I think the NYRs are looking long and hard at Duclair now and will send him to JRs...but its very possible that Zuccarello may walk this summer as UFA because of salary cap issues and he may earn a big contract not unlike Stralman... the point I was trying to make is Duclair could possibly backfill in that open slot next year... not a popular exchange I realize

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 4:35 pm EST

Thing that kinda sucks with Malone is you almost need to give him a roster spot even if he's hurt in order to keep him. Unless im wrong, he'd have to clear waivers to go to Hartford, unless theres some IR clause in the spaghetti of waiver rules, which I stopped trying to keep track of long ago. Just thinking cause with his old $4M contract, teams would pass, infact I think TB did waive him. But at 700k and good reviews from this camp, Id think someone would grab him. No?

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 4:27 pm EST

Hmm, Lombardi joining Malone with an old man injury....Not good for him at all..Hopefully for his sake he's able to play the two games over the weekend and show if and what he has....Malone, at least, already has ,The kids (Hatyes, Mueller, Fast, Lindberg etcc.) should have a big chance the next two nights

Hospo


Sun Sep 28 2014 4:06 pm EST

Read that Methot would sign with Ottawa for $4.75 mill on a home town discount... Well, I'd want the same home town discount if Methot wants to see playoff games and be on a contender ...... Unless we're getting more than a defender (like a defender & picks & or prospects) who can step in now coming our way, ORr, a defender with time remaining on his contract OR willing to sign for a few years, we might as well keep Staal... cause if w're going to risk losing a guy at the end of the season for nothing, it may as well be Staal.... jmho naturally

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:53 pm EST

Besides, methot also an impending UFA who would get more money on open market than we would want to give, plus downgrade from Staal. Move makes no sense

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:49 pm EST

We probably will not be trading Staal, but if for a package including a defender, that defender would be ready to fill Staal's slot now (bc we have none to do so) or a prospect a few seasons down the road from those prospects soon to push for third pair (Allen, Bodie, McIl, Zamorsky, Skjei, Noreau, etc). You probably aren't getting a top two pair defender back (or else, why trade for him) unless it's for contract/cap considerations. Thus, if we trade Staal, likely for high picks. I don't see us doing that in a Cup run. Most likely end is that he re-signs.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:31 pm EST

Bobby Ryan: Only if he has a good year, is willing to sign for something reasonable, and you can move Nash..... & it not Methot, then who?

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:21 pm EST

Methot! Methot! Methot!

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:09 pm EST

Its a little premature to be talking about who gets forced out next off-season. Not counting MSL, Staal, or MZA, we still have about 4 mill coming off the books in depth contracts and the cap is likely to rise again. Plus, a number of very moveable contracts. If we did trade Staal, it wouldn't be for Methot.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:06 pm EST

Bobby Ryan???

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:02 pm EST

TOP: It's a Vast, Right Wing Conspiracy! :-)

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 2:00 pm EST

Zucc is another guy I can't see leaving or going unsigned.. The kid has shown huge loyalty to the franchise and is an exceptional talent.. ZUCC has a great role model here in MSL and I can envision that he is benefiting greatly, perhaps more than any other Ranger.. Bottom line, who knows what lofty achievements MZA is capable of? ........IMO, the Rangers need to address this STALL contract immediately.... Dan Boyle needs to adjust to his new defensive pair as soon as possible regardless of who it is, and the defensive corp as a unit of 6 need to also. I don't think a playoff contender such as the Rangers are going to trade a top 4 at the trade deadline to rock the apple cart going into the home stretch and that means STAAL will hold all the negotiating cards at the seasons end & we risk getting nothing for him......... We have $23,150,000 in cap space next year NOT including any increase in the CAP.... Lets put a conservative estimate of a $2mill dollar increase in Cap brings us to $25,150,000......... MSL, MZA, MALONE, STEMPNIAK, STAAL, TALBOT all UFA's,,, STEPAN, HAGELIN are our RFA's.....I estimate $32 mill to sign everyone, Even if Sather can sign these guys for $30mill & the Cap comes up $4mill (& not $2mill as stated earlier) we are still $3mill apart to comply with the Cap..... a guy like Marc Methot looks like he could replace Staal, and we could probably get him for $1-$1.25 mill per year less and sign him to a shorter term than Staal, that narrows the gap to $2mill, give or take $250K...... I AM NOT PURPORTING TRADING MARC STAAL HERE, I am endorsing the fact that I don't see Zucc going anywhere, & can see Staal being moved. This is a business afterall.. If a Staal / Methot trade did take place, we would pick up $975K in Cap space for this year, & we just may be able to add 1 key component at the trade deadline... OAN, I could see a Marc Staal joining his brothers in Carolina, just not this year, they have little to offer us defensively.........http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 1:44 pm EST

Just like that we barely have enough centers. Even with Miller & Lindberg. Nothing to be alarmed about. Still have Stemp; MSL is petitioning AV to play there, and theres still Hayes though he prefers wing. Goes to show though how you can never predict whats to come.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 1:26 pm EST

How about these new signings! Zip: Lombardi out, groin injury

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 1:24 pm EST

schneidw: disagree: DuClaire is going nowhere. He's too important to this franchise, talent-wise, price-wise, personality / role model-wise, & skin color-wise... IMO he's an integral part of the youth movement coming up the Pyke...

mf


Sun Sep 28 2014 12:41 pm EST

Topovski and my fellow Wallsters, I have felt your pain about watching the Blueshirts when away from NYC. I've tried every scenario since I travel 47 weeks a year. The BEST by far solution is hockeystreams.com. They DVR every game of nearly every hockey league and team today and kept a library so I can watch a game from two weeks ago as easy as today's game, home or away. It's well worth the $99/year.

SurfCityRanger


Sun Sep 28 2014 12:16 pm EST

schneidw - TOTALLY disagree RE: Zucc. I think he's the one guy you'll see signed no matter what. The Rangers are under no illusion about how talented he is...and Zucc is doing them a HUGE favor by taking the contract he did, which is about $2 million less than he would be owed on the open market. Rangers are going to pay up on him, but they're not going to let him go...STAAL, on the other hand, could very well be a casualty of war...As much as I want Staal signed long-term, unless it's done soon I fear we could be in for a Staal brothers reunion in Carolina...Rangers have a number of lefties coming through the system that could dull the brunt of losing Staal. Conor Allen among them...but also SKJEI and maybe even BODIE...Personally, I think the guy who will take the fall next summer is NASH. Unless he does a 180, I just don't see him and his huge contract in the future.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:51 am EST

DUCLAIR- He is being showcased because SATHER does not have the $$$ to sign all the UFAs this summer... STLouis,Staal and Zuccarello...as much as Zucc is a fan favorite...Duclair is very similar dynamic crafty smaller winger... of the 3 UFAs.. Zucc is the most likely to leave...painful reality

schneidw


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:28 am EST

I think they probably see Glass, Lombardi, Stempniak, Malone and Nash as expendable if they don't play to expectations and a kid shows he belongs.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 11:22 am EST

The talk about DUCLAIR is all well and fine...but where exactly would he fit in the lineup? Take for granted these spots are chiseled in stone: Kreider, Nash, St. Louis, Zuccarello, Brassard, Moore, and Hagelin...and nine or ten games into the season, Stepan .Then there's a good likelihood you'll have Glass and Miller in the mix...that's nine and then ten spots filled up...Then does anyone really think Stempniak is going to the minors? Factor in Malone and Lombardi, you have 12 forward spots with a thirteenth...even assuming Duclair beats out the three vets, where does he go in the lineup? In the best-case scenario, he ends up on third line...I think all this fan talk about him sticking around is some pretty major wishful thinking.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:53 am EST

47 -- I mentioned Tarnasky's fight in a post while the game was in progress and I posted a link to the fight yesterda I think stevielegs also posted about how well Tarnasky throws his punches without much defense involved

JFC31


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:20 am EST

if Mashinter was mentioned, its because he is Chicago property.

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:19 am EST

Send him to Hartford, already!

Messier11


Sun Sep 28 2014 10:13 am EST

Practice lines today; Kreider-Brass-Zuc. Nash-JT-MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:54 am EST

BTW, no one mentioned Tarnasky and the fight he had (dominated). Nice to see we may have someone to call up if needed. I believe they mentioned Mashinter filling that role as well. Hopefully we seem them both along with McI in Tuesday's game in Philly....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:50 am EST

td: Agree - not worried about Zucc. Just found it strange/interesting that he was so "quiet" in the game. Can't remember a game where he went so unnoticed....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:42 am EST

Ranger47 - I wouldn't worry on ZUCC for one second...The guy is a dynamic player and was, no doubt, one of the main reasons that line was so dangerous last year...I said a few days ago one of the best lines I recall STEPAN being on was with Zucc and HAGELIN...you can put Zucc anywhere in the lineup and he's going to make his linemates better...and talk about motivation...the guy is playing for a new contract. No way he'll be cruising when the season starts.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:34 am EST

RF4L - I don;t necessarily disagree...I just think you can't put a one-size-fits-all label on kids...they all develop at a different pace...Some kids I think its better for them to develop at the NHL/AHL level...MILLER is a great example...I don't see what he would have gotten from another year in juniors other than bad habits and an even bigger head...I will say this: It's tough to pick out examples of kids who were stunted by another year in juniors because when they start that decline, they're labeled busts...they don't get signed and then fall of the radar quietly...much easier to point to guys who are brought into the NHL at a young age than it is those guys who get left in juniors for too long.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:26 am EST

Just two takeaways from Friday;s game I haven't seen mentioned.. 1) Cedric DesJardins played a great (shutout) game the second half. Looks like he could be some really good insurance should Talbot get hurt and we need another backup for a while. Also looks really positive for the Wolfpack's chances this year. 2)I was shocked at how invisible MZA was in the game. Presumably he's just in the process of getting ready to play the season - but, again, I would have expected a bit more out of him. While he did have some shifts with Brass, I wonder how critical it is to his game to have the Brass pairing to succeed. And, hopefully not the need for Poulliot to succeed....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:21 am EST

stevielegs: Thanks for the link to the lb article on stats. Prior to retirement I was heavily involved in supporting the use of data for "business intelligence" (i.e. data reporting). In today's world of infoglut it is becoming more difficult to know WHICH data to even consider as important to follow and report on. In business, it's gone beyond the capabilities of the "average business user" to get the data reporting he/she needs - especially due to the complexity and interrelationships between the data. What's happening in the business world is the emerging role of the "data scientist" who follows all the data and identifies which data (and its relationships) are most important to report on. I, personally, find all the existing hockey stats overwhelming and rather than have MORE stats, would (rather) like to have better sources of reporting of the most meaningful and interesting ones by experts (i.e. hockey data scientists). I suspect most fans are like that - though I'm sure there are some who want to peruse the infogllut themselves....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 28 2014 9:05 am EST

TD: I'm not saying definitively that ANY of those kids had their careers ruined by the Rangers rushing them. What I am saying is that (IIMO) turning them pro prematurely did nothing to help their careers and likely contributed to their troubles. I don't buy the argument except in truly exceptional cases (such as Crosby or Lemieux, both of whom are exceptional athletes), it doesn't help one's career and therefore, makes no sense not err on the side of caution. I've yet to see any examples of where a kid's career is impacted negatively when he's sent back and done so properly (unlike, for example, what the Sabres did with that Russian kid a couple of years back - keeping him up, not playing him and then finally sending him back something like 2/3's the way thru the season - that's just plain stupid decision making).

RF4L


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:47 am EST

http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/rangers-can-keep-duclair-on-nhl-roster-longer-than-nine-games-without-penalty.html

puckyou


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:23 am EST

Came across this from the Hawks...kind of interesting when you think about the future of the enforcer: After parting ways with Brandon Bollig and Sheldon Brookbank over the summer, the Hawks find themselves without a traditional “enforcer” on the roster. Both Bowman and Joel Quenneville have pointed to 6-4, 220-pound forward Brandon Mashinter as someone who can step into that role, though it’s difficult to see how he could fit into the roster as it currently stands. “Brandon is a guy that can play,” Quenneville said. “He scored [14] goals last year in the minors and had an element of toughness, as well. So, I could see some room for a player like that.” Jonathan Toews didn’t seem terribly concerned with having a fighter on the ice, however. “I think for the most part we’re at our strongest as a team when we’re staying away form that sort of stuff,” Toews said. “We play teams before where they just try and beat us up and or they try to outplay us physically, and we just stick to our game. We stick to our puck-possession, skating the puck and controlling it, and we usually find a way to come out on top.”

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:08 am EST

mf/RR - BLACKBURN's injury was a result of him over-training...You could make the case that he would have done that with Kootenay, but it's not one that will hold up very well when you look at the circumstances he was facing at the time...He had platooned with RICHTER the season before, despite not exactly owning the WHL during his draft year...and when it became clear that Richter was out of the picture in 2002-2003, the Rangers traded for DUNHAM and Blackburn, who probably saw himself as next in line, took a distant back seat...If I remember correctly, they got Dunham mid-season and he essentially started just about all the remaining games...the kid was trying to show the Rangers he was ready even though in truth, what he needed was another two years in juniors and probably a season in the AHL...theoretically speaking, we shouldn't have seen him outside of pre-season until after the lockout...Lord only knows how he would have developed...I remember the kid having extraordinary talent, but being a boy in a man's league...of course, Hank came after the lockout...but imagine the Rangers with two top-flight goaltenders going into 2005-2006? Blackburn, IMO, is the epitome of the Rangers killing a prospect by rushing him a long. They hurried him a long, killed his confidence and then prompted him to over-exert himself to the point of career-ending injury. Glad the kid's life turned out OK in the end, but when I think what could have been...man, it's sad.

tdchi


Sun Sep 28 2014 8:05 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/27/lack-of-nhl-stats-in-an-information-age-is-mind-boggling/

stevielegs


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:38 am EST

schneid: Thanks. I live in central Pa. Unfortunately have to get Pittsburg feeds when they play Rangers. Their play by play guys are brutal, but hilarious if viewed as the theater of the absurd.

gene_carr


Sun Sep 28 2014 6:03 am EST

Sporty I'll second that ... And add also a long time season ticket holder....and the nyr sent nothing for winning the conference and probably nothing for his bday.... Besides the bill.....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:51 pm EST

wikipedia on Blackburn: A shoulder injury forced him into retirement in 2005. He retired after missing the entire 2003–04 NHL season due to a nerve injury sustained just before training camp to his left shoulder. He had nerve exploration surgery on March 31, 2004, then made an attempt to return to hockey, sporting a pair of blockers rather than the conventional blocker/catcher combination, as his injury rendered him incapable of rotating his glove hand. On February 1, 2005, he joined the ECHL Victoria Salmon Kings going 3–9–0, with a 3.54 GAA in 12 games. On September 15, during the Rangers training camp, he suffered a strained MCL. Subsequently, Blackburn announced his retirement on September 25. Had Blackburn continued to attempt a comeback, he would have forfeited an insurance payout of approximately 6 million dollars.

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:48 pm EST

Re: Blackburn: If memory serves correctly I thought the injury was to his shoulder, including damaging a nerve traveling through the shoulder area & possibly down the arm... They could not repair the nerve damage.... I'll google the mutha! :-)

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:25 pm EST

TD, Im not trying to nitpick a thoughtful & informative post, but Blackburn ; are you saying he was overused & it led to injury that finished him? I just rememberthe injury (hand/wrist) being something he couldnt overcome. Miller; Nash today said hes grown on & off ice. Again IDK WTH that means, and wont speculate what this kid was/wasnt doin. Whatever it was, its better. Good. Texted with a great hockey bud today, udually in the know. The raves for DuClair and excitement about what he can be is very real within the team. He is a fantastic kid by all accounrs, an animal in the weight room according to Clark, and already NHL in traffic with the puck. Just a FWIW.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 11:03 pm EST

RF4L - Whoa cowboy...I think you're going a little overboard with the plight of the Rangers and their kids, especially with a few of those names you mentioned...The guys we can agree on are MALHOTRA and, without a doubt, BLACKBURN...those kids were rushed into Ranger uniforms largely 'cause the Rangers wanted to dispel this notion that they were essentially a mercenary team with no semblance of a farm system...and it stunted Malhotra's growth...how much is arguable...and it destroyed Blackburn's career....but you're slipping into some grey areas if you're trying to blame the demise of GRAHAM and GRACHEV on the Rangers' brain trust...Graham was a big kid who had some talent, but not a lot...the Rangers fell in love with his size and as it turned out, it was really the only thing that got him points in the CHL...once he got to the A, he was outmatched, out-skilled...out everything'd...he never had that next gear to get him out of the ECHL...he wasn't getting it from another year in the QMJHL that's for sure....and Grachev...while I guess you could make SOME argument for him...the fact is, he was a man playing among boys in Brampton...more specifically, he was a man playing against boys who happened to be on a line with two incredible players who were both top-10 draft picks. One could easily argue Grachev's stats his one and only good season in juniors were WAAAAY inflated because of DUCHENE and HODGSON...and seeing as though he hasn't done squat SINCE that year, I would lend to blame his lack of success on the fact that Grachev, as a player, simple wasn't as good as many gave him credit for being...DEL ZOTTO is another very grey area...and frankly, I think the Rangers did the right thing with him...this is a kid who is not limited by ability...he's limited by his own lifestyle. Kid did what he wanted...He was going to do it in juniors, just like he did it in NYC...I think the hope with him was if they could bring him into a system with mature players that it would mature him a little better than if they let him up to his own devices...and with MDZ, we saw flashes of brilliance...I still think he'll be a good player...but his problem was less to do with the Rangers "rushing" him so to speak and him simply not having the maturity or understanding that his career is hockey, not the lifestyle that comes with being a professional hockey player....now MILLER...here's where we totally disagree....The Rangers have moved this kid along right and we're now starting to see the fruits of that progression. If Miller had finished out his time in the OHL, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't be challenging for a spot in the NHL right now...Miller is a kid that needed to be taken down a peg or two...skating in juniors would have allowed him to develop some bad habits by virtue that he could get away with the flashy moves there that would get you leveled in the AHL and NHL...they were right to move him to the A when they did...and when he got a cup of coffee in 2013? Well, he EARNED that...People forget that Miller is just 21. If you look at how much he's developed over two seasons, it's really hard to argue with how the Rangers have handled him...SKJEI and KREIDER? Can't even really add them into this mix...they NCAA players...totally different path of development...though I'm glad Skjei hasn't turned pro and that Kreider waited like he did....what does this mean for DUCLAIR? Well, I tell you what I'd do if he continues to play this strong...I'd keep him on with NASH and let him spend 10 games with the Rangers while STEPAN is on the mend...tell the kid from the get-go he's going back to juniors and that the 10-game stint is just to get him acclimated to the space he's going to be in full-time next year....let him learn and hell, if the kid ends up with 10 points in 10 games, consider keeping him the year...farming him out for the junior championship. Can't impose a glass ceiling on a kid that has stars in his eyes. That's just not right...the place for him IS the AHL...but that not being an option, 10 games in the NHL and the rest of the season in the QMJHL sounds good to me.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:24 pm EST

no sweat brother, file it under, "revved up for the upcoming season."

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:59 pm EST

Just wanted to take a moment to wish a long-time wallster and Rangers die-hard, RF73, a very Happy Birthday.

sportyplaya1188


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:52 pm EST

mf --you're right, I was a bit testy....my bad.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:48 pm EST

GENE CARR: Not sure where you live but YES, unfortunately here in the Rocky Mtns ALL the MSG channels are blacked out on DirectTV... total BUMmer

schneidw


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:41 pm EST

M11_ Blues sign Jaden Schwartz, 2 yr deal ........http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=732076&navid=nhl:topheads

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:02 pm EST

Bob: I think you're approaching this the wrong way. It's not a Canada thing (for me anyways) it's a thriving feeder system thing. Sather is a prime example as I've cited on here with examples numerous times (including today).

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 7:39 pm EST

The chemistry we all witnessed between DUCLAIR & NASH was very real last night. Most chemistry I've seen between NASH and anyone since he's been here.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 7:30 pm EST

JFC: earlier in the day someone used the post rag-doll refering to Dylan McIlrath manhandling Labrie, that was my lead in... I was surprised to see Cam Barker skating for Chicago last night, he never lived up to expectation. There were times he and Girardi were on the ice at the same time and it brought back memories of the fight on that you-tube clip... The check Girardi laid on that Chicago player prior to that fight, was the last hit of "that" magnitude I recall Girardi dishing out...... I also recall vividly as Girardi stood around and watched Gaborik defend himself against Carcillo, none of this means that I don't like Girardi, don't want him in Rangers Blue, or nor root for him..... A little testy early in the season are we? :-) It's all cool..... I believe that we all want the same thing here, to win! ciao

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 5:14 pm EST

What'd I walk into over here? Lol. Ok see youse later!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:35 pm EST

Bob: agree on the AHL thing. My thought has always been that each NHL should get 1 or 2 exceptions. 1 or 2 players at a time, once they are in the AHL it's there or the NHL, no junior. And untill a player reaches the normal AHL age or plays a certain number of NHL games he counts as one of those two spots.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:31 pm EST

Personally, I don't care one iota about any Ranger's state of sexual arousal, as long as they cover their zone- advanced stats be damned!

Messier11


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:10 pm EST

LOL! Is he PERFECT?? Dayum!!

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 3:09 pm EST

mf -- not sure what your point is by posting the link to that Giradi hit....that clip helps prove that Girardi is not physical? That he does not hit? He led the Rangers in hits and blocked shots in the playoffs? Do you want him to lay guys out and then beat them into submission? That's not his game, never has been, never will be. He's a guy who had worked his ass off as an undrafted player and turned himself into a league-wide respected top-4 defenseman. Is he Erect? No....but he's a damned good, steady, homegrown D-man. I'm sure I could search "Dan Girardi hits" and come up with more than one clip to disprove your hyperbole.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:40 pm EST

Juniors to the NHL is a huge leap. If Duclair goes back to the Q, that leap will still be necessary next season at camp. Too bad he cannot try the intermediate level he is leaping over, the AHL. Again, I object to the reason for it more than anything. Of course, I don't live in Canada so have no connection to the importance of a vital junior league up there.

Bob


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:18 pm EST

RF4L -- I understand what you're saying but your argument is too narrow IMO....the point is not whether or not another year in the Q would retard Duclair's devopment....the point is (IMO) that a year in the AHL would ACCELERATE his development, and that could only be a good thing. I doubt that Duclair would be overmatched in the A HL but he would be forced to turn it up a notch. If he responds favorably, he would then be eligible for a call-up. With the current system, that possibility is not there and his only option is a lateral move....rather than a step UP. A kid with Duclair's talent needs to be CHALLENGED and the Q won't do that.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:08 pm EST

Speaking of "rag-dolls," Cam Barker was back in the Hawks line-up last night, they had drafted him 3rd overall, and he tossed Girardi around like a rag doll last time he was donning a Chicago sweater..... YUUUPPP: went the extra mile & found the footage, this was the last time I can recall Girardi laying on a solid check. HA, and all us Nash-Bashers about being "comfortable" for a mere two seasons... Seems like Girardi is still uncomfortable to lay someone out after 5! (I recall some Wallbangers saying, man Girardi's old man's a big dude ......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qADZfMYnFg0

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 2:05 pm EST

Bob: crazy to think each team should be able to designate one player for Ahl/Nhl shuttle duty? Or atleast expand 8 game trial to 40?

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:52 pm EST

Took a little longer than I though, but RF4L has checked in to defend the precious Canadian junior leagues again. I usually agree with his view as it applies to Ranger prospects, as they are not usually all that good. Where I disagree is in rare cases like this.....where you have a kid that has dominated at that level and there is no choice but to go back there or stay in the NHL, skipping the legitimate growth level of the AHL. The problem I have is with the purpose of the rule, which is to "protect" the Canadian juniors from losing young players to NHL organizations. I wish the Rangers could send Duclair to Hartford. Oh well, given the choices available, he should probably go back to the Q.

Bob


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:42 pm EST

FACE - OFF REPORT from last night, JT Miller lead the way, this is a pretty interesting STAT Layout...(imo) ... http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20142015/FC010043.HTM

mf


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:33 pm EST

On a brighter note, could we be the first team to challenge for the cup with the least amount of "right" shots up front...............? I guess there is no way of checking out this Stat.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:30 pm EST

Ha Hip. You said it, not me lol. Colorado (or whomever has the BR crush) already has a hitman looking for me! Hospo!! You on board yet? Bus is gettin crowded!

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:30 pm EST

I am not a big Stepan fan, to say the least.We could trade his ass away tomorrow and I wouldn't blink an eye. Let's just hope that this really opens the door for Miller an that he rises to the challenge ( did I use enough of cliches for you ?)

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:10 pm EST

And like I posted earlier today - Duclair will be returning to a team that's already in the Memorial Cup (and crappy teams never host that tourney - they are always competitive). What he's not done in juniors is lead his team to lofty heights, those heights being overall regular season champions, a deep PO run, a Memorial Cup appearance and a spot on Canada's WJC. The latter shouldn't be underrated. It may be met with indifference in the US, but in Canada it's one of most watched tourneys every year and comes packed with pressure. Almost to a man (well, boy actually) those that play for Canada come away with an experience that only helps them, sometimes quite profoundly. Send this kid back and let him dominate. There's enough depth on the roster, with enough kids impressing, not to mention the team aspires to another deep PO run, that erring on the side of caution is the best way to go (IMO).

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 1:04 pm EST

JFC: Re Malhotra and Duclair. First I disagree 100% that Manny was too good for juniors. He was only 18 and coming off a rather uninspiring 16 goal performance. That kid belonged no where BUT juniors IMO. The poor guy got caught between Neil Smith trying to show everyone the Rangers weren't without young assets and scMuckler knowing Manny wasn't NHL ready. Regarding Duclair - why can't the Rangers err on the side of caution and send him back? What on earth is the rush? Time and time again the Rangers incessant need to rush their youth has proven to (at that very least) achieve nothing, the latest example being MDZ, who for whatever stupid reason, the Rangers turned pro at 19 when he hadn't even dominated junior yet. Duclair appears to be further along at the same age, but show me one example where sending a kid back for his final junior year retards his development - especially a kid picked in the 3rd round. Don't take this wrong - I'm not scolding you; just tired of Sather's inexplicable desire to turn the Ranger youth pro prematurely. He did it was Blackburn, Graham, MDZ, Grachev, Miller and tried to do it with Kreider and this summer Skeji. I don't get it.

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:59 am EST

Rhet -- Duclair is in the same situation as Manny Malhotra was....he's too good for Juniors but does not have the option of playing in the AHL. Would love to see him make the team....in the offensive zone, he's got superior skills and instincts. But, the Rangers probably won't want to rush him. Still....what the hell is he going to learn back in Jrs?? It'll be a wasted year.....very tempting to keep him here.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:41 am EST

Thought RICHARDS actually had a solid game. He came inches away from potting one....DESJARDINS robbed him in a pretty major way...Said it before...he's gonna be an asset to the Hawks, especially seeing as though they're so cap-strapped...On a Hawks note...Man, Corey CRAWFORD looked absolutely AWFUL...he's quickly slipping into FLEURY territory...I was actually very surprised with how easily the Hawks knuckled under after those first two goals...Granted, they were missing some of their regulars...but they had ALL their stars in last night...10 regulars by my count...the best among the guys they didn't have in was probably VERSTEEG(who'll probably be traded before the seasons starts and Nick LEDDY...Rangers were missing MSL, Step, Kredier, Staal, Hagelin, and Boyle...all critical pieces...Yeah, one pre-season game...But a BIG one IMO.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:30 am EST

JFC - Labrie is a tough customer too. McILRATH shook him a round like a rag doll.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:11 am EST

RABID RANGER, -- I thought #48 LINDBERGH and #46 HRIVIK played very similar games. At times it was hard to distinguish the two. Both played sound & solid. HVIVICK has nice size on the wing & LINDBERG is non description but seems to be strong & defensively smart/responsible. --- As for #91 RICHARDS, he remains the same, still a Buck-Toothed, Monotone, Beaver-Faced B#stard, only difference is the red sweater. He is on a line with #88 KANE.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:06 am EST

Tarnaski pummels Cody Bass: http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/124403

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 10:03 am EST

Here's Mac Ill Wrath's fight from last night http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/124404 The Hawks guy could have gotten a charging penalty....Mac immediately stood up,for Borque....you can see Borque come over to Mac after the fight and say, "Thanks" and Mac nods his head. You can't overestimate how important that stuff is to a hockey team.

JFC31


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:43 am EST

Malone is day-to-day with a hip flexor.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:41 am EST

Let's keep a little perspective on the team and it's young players , it''s only one preseason game A lot can happen before the regular season starts.. Also, the only way one of the young defensemen is making this team is if they downright outplay one of the top six. None of the kids is going to be the 7th defensemen so they can just practice with the team and never play (of course that's barring an injury).

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:31 am EST

hipcheck - MILLER and STEPAN are just two dynamically different players...I'd say skill-wise, Miller has more natural ability. The kid can drop your jaw with some his moves and has a mean streak that I just don't see anywhere among the Rangers' forward lines. Kid is STRONG too...I know I talk up the kid a lot, but there's a reason for it...his work along the boards...again...it's something the Rangers don't have. Not at least with someone of Miller's size. I think I read somewhere he's tipping the scales at 215 now...he's got CALLAHAN'S grit and willingness to go to hard-fought areas...difference is, he's a lot stronger than Cally....STEPAN, OTOH...while I wouldn't ever call him a finesse player and I think his work in the corners often gets short-changed here, his game is all about hockey IQ and vision. I think his actual skills are above average...but nothing to write home about...his ability to find guys through traffic and then get them the puck is second to maybe only ZUCCARELLO on the Rangers, IMO...but Step simply doesn't have a lot of upper-body strength and I think he gets knocked around a little more than he should for a top-line center...that said, his hockey IQ more than compensates for that. Having them both on the team is a huge advantage...especially if Miller can duplicate this kind of play during the regular season.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:16 am EST

Pretty much agree with everything everyone has said already...Especially that the kids are sure outplaying a lot of these vet UFAs...definitely on defense... But also up front...I didn't see much from STEMPNIAK that suggests he's owed a top-nine spot...Defense looked MUCH more solid than against the Devils...now I'll toss a little of that on the fact that McDONAGH skated 23 minutes... But they played a very tough Hawks team regardless and came up aces...I think MILLER is going to make STEPAN'S absence a lot less painful...again, it's just two days...but the fact that the kid has three points in two games and has looked VERY comfortable in the middle...and then couple that with the fact that he's owning in the faceoff circle...I'd say he's the odds-on favorite for the job...And LINDBERG? He certainly didn't hurt his chances for third-line center with that performance. I still think the Rangers will defer to him skating serious minutes in Hartford instead of bottom line minutes in New York...but if Lombardi doesn't pull his head from his ass, I think he may very well be the Rangers' third or fourth-line center until STEPAN comes back...Will be interesting if McILRATH makes the team...In no uncertain terms, that would mean KLEIN becomes expendable...And you gotta smile with DUCLAIR and BUCHNEVICH in the system...Lots of hockey to play this season and I never like to put much faith in pre-season...But this is looking like a deep, tough team heading into game 1.

tdchi


Sat Sep 27 2014 9:03 am EST

Dying being unable to see games, caught highlights at least. But being able to read everyone's comments is wonderful. Ok, Lindberg & Richards both played lol. Oscar got one I know, Richie had a goose egg. Dont know if Richards was with Kane or Sharp or what, if anyone noticed.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:59 am EST

Sorry, let me re-word that. #10 is not more complete or better than #21. I just really like the aggressive forechecking, hitting & frame of MILLER compared to STEPAN'S skill, finesse, vision, passing & point production.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:56 am EST

YORK18, -- Totally agree regarding MILLER. Definitely his best game as a NYR. He looks more focused & mature. He was arguing with the officials, giving instructions to linemates, etc.. There is no denying his size, speed & skill package. I never pictured him as a true #1 C, (and he probably never will be) but last night he looked more "complete" than STEPAN.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:48 am EST

RF4L, -- Undertaker pretty much knocked the guy down very early in the fight, and it could of ended there. MCILLIRATH is such a monster, he helped the dude up so he could beat on him som more. MAC I Had a size/reach advantage but the guy from Chicago fought very long & hard. Many solid punches connected on both sides. MCILLRATH won the fight. He resembles a very young BEUKEBOOM.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:43 am EST

Haven't had a chance to read all of your comments from the game yet. I just finished watching most of it. Here's my quick 2¢ on some of the new guys. -- #46 DUCLAIR: Holy Cow!! Couldn't be happier or more impressed with what I saw. Future is super bright. #71 BOURKE. Very active & involved. Too small, but will have a nice depth insurance type roll in the organization. #42 MCILLRATH: This kid needs to become a regular part of the core team as soon as he is deemed ready. I freak'n LOVE what he adds to the lineup. #37 ALLEN: Got some nice upside & potential. Could probably play for a weak team and be a solid 6. #43 TARNASKY: He is strong with a mean edge. Nice to know he is available when needed. I liked his heart & energy.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:13 am EST

BTW nice to see some positive comments on here about McI's play overall. He sounds like he's a bubble player, which, given where he was this time last year, isn't a bad thing because he means he's progressing. And that really is the key: Is he progressing (appears to be) vs stalled. If/when the latter occurs, then it's time to seriously question his NHL potential.

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:11 am EST

Can someone give some details on the McI fight? Did he win it? He was protecting a teammate apparently - what happened? Thx....

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 8:06 am EST

Great to see Duclair impressing. This kid sure looks like the real deal. That said, with others impressing too, I sure hope Duclair is sent back to juniors where he can challenge for the QMHL scoring title, be a go-to player for Canada's WJC team and then play a dominate role for Quebec in the memorial cup (they are the host team for this year's tourney). If he continues to do well in pre-season games he's likely to move back to juniors and tear up the league. Then next year he can challenge for the Calder trophy!

RF4L


Sat Sep 27 2014 7:44 am EST

The thing that concerns me with McL is he falls down a lot. He really needs to work on his skating. Not foot speed because,he will never be fast but his power,and balance when battling in traffic and when clearing the crease. Otherwise he looked a lot more comfortable out there. But IMO Allen looked better and NHL ready.

NYStranger


Sat Sep 27 2014 6:50 am EST

York I'm rooting for the kid, but he seems way too tentative and nervous with the puck. he needs to pass it a lot harder. he turned it over a few times. I hope veenyo gives him a shot, but he seems to need more teaching and learning on how to be a nhl d man, especially with their rules being enforced preseason and early, then not by the playoffs.... playing him as 7th d on the 4th line would be the role I'd like for him.....Allen might beat him out for a spot, if either get it........sather will probably push veenyo to keep the vets he signed for the first 10- 20 games....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 27 2014 6:34 am EST

Stevie did you watch mcl play last night not ready? Av seems to disagree and anyone who watched last nights game saw his smart plays with the puck going into the corners twice with two guys on him making the smart play. Try watching before you post

York18


Sat Sep 27 2014 6:29 am EST

Watched the game twice and I'll start with both Allen and McI were a tremendous. Improvement on D then Mondays craptastic vet tryouts. They also faced a way better hawks team. Allen was solid.again and looked stronger than last year. Mci showed his improvement and that he's pushing the door open. Smart plays all game with the puck and without. Great job in the corners and his foot speed is better and he works and can play in avs system. Miller played his best gameas a ranger with and without the puck this is the Miller that you see in hartford. Duclair what can you say 19 years old and the kid can fly. He's smart in all three zones and he scored that goal on a cross body one timer granted it was a floating pass but anyone who plays knows how hard a cross body one timer is usually you receive the pass and shoot. This kid could be something special. Lindberg typical solid outing from him and what I expect he will be a good third line center in the future. Haggerty was solid but quiet. Stempniak looked as expected.

York18


Sat Sep 27 2014 5:36 am EST

Read lb on kid k then realize why kids shouldn't get an open door. They need to break down the door and not get pushed out. Big Mac needs to learn how to move the puck. He's not ready for the speed of the NHL . Eclair is a kid who can follow in kid is footsteps. .... The NHL is making it harder and harder to defend . The new way is to hump the other guy until they outlaw that. You have to be a masochist to be a d man or a goalie with what they keep trying to do until the playoffs.... The most inconsistent league of ideas and enforcing of too many rules.... Guy charges borque no call so Big Mac steps in and they over punish him for it..... Guess if borque got injured maybe they'd understand....instigator rule is bs when taken literally....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:55 pm EST

This is test... More than one of these kids came to get a job. I'd like to think and/or see AV make the ballsie call and give these kids a legit shot... Love the emery all of them would bring to the line up. That's one of those things rhR separates the men from the boys! I, for one, would love to see AV stand up for some of these kids rhT are hungry and doing things the right way! LGR!

Z


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:51 pm EST

apparently the prodigal sons were the first, second and third stars tonight for Tampa. //// Bickel had a couple fights earlier in the week against Winnipeg.

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:49 pm EST

On our 2nd to last goal which was credited to JT Miller on the deflection, Miller deserves much credit for setting up the play. Miller fought hard behind the net, being brought down to the ice, yet still managing to (looked like one hand) get the puck back to the blue line left side... Miller then proceeded to move to the slot couple of feet in front of the crease & I believe it was John Moore who shot from the point for JT Miller to redirect...... FoRget the PBR's, "IT'S, MILLER TIME!" :-)

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:46 pm EST

Duclair probably wont make the team but It's pretty damn ludicrous that we can't send him to the AHL. The fact that a 19 year old player can make an NHL team but can't be sent to an AHL club because of his age makes absolutely zero sense. If he's capable, he should be able to move up. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:13 pm EST

Great to hear NASH has started off on the right foot..even happier to hear about MILLER and the FO circle..a HUGE need for the Rangers..Sounds like the kid wants to grab that 2nd (ultimately 3rd) C spot!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:11 pm EST

Desjardins looked good.

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:07 pm EST

Very impressed with the kids tonite. This is gonna be a very good Club for quite awhile!

pa.rangersfan


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:06 pm EST

Good game by the Rangers. A good number of young guys stood out and got on the score sheet. Miller looked good, Duclair looked good, Lindberg looked good. McIlrath was solid and protected his team mate...very important. Nash looked very good and seemed to have chemistry with Duclair. Miller showed that he can play center effectively and he worked the PP well. He didn't just shoot well, he distributed the puck well, too. Borque likes to shoot the puck and has a very good shot. Brass looked good, Zucc has playing around too much with the fancy thread-the-needle stuff but he'll be fine. Like that AV used the PP to try out the Brass-Zucc-Nash line. Good game...they looked pretty sharp....way ahead of where they were last preseason.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:53 pm EST

Rangers have looked very confident on the PP. Miller has really distributed the puck well and looks very confident and sure of himself. Duclair has sick hands....when he's in the offensive zone, he looks like he is completely confident and aware.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:46 pm EST

They announced JT Miller is like 12 & 2 on face-offs..... this kid may have a hidden niche / value added component to his game...... good for him..

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:31 pm EST

The misconduct was ridiculous....as Sam & Micheletti said, it probably had a lot to do with previous stuff before that hit. That's just not hockey....it was a ridiculous call and at a time when a kid like McI is tring to make the team and needs the experience.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:18 pm EST

Can someone explain the misconduct penalty? Is it automatic with the instigator now? That pansy crap annoys the crap out of me plus leaves too much control to the discretion of the refs. The other player was willing to fight back so there should be no instigator. I would rather beat Buttman than this dead horse...

NYStranger


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:00 pm EST

Duclair may be highly skilled and he may be a sniper but, he also does something very basic and very effective....he goes to the net without the puck and he gets in tight. He'll pick up a lot of goals like that. They all don't have to be pretty. He looks good in the offensive zone....he knows what he's doing.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:48 pm EST

Bullshit misconduct penalty kills McIlrath's period....he needs these minutes! Not good.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:47 pm EST

Love it! McIlrath sticks up for a smaller team mate and wins the fight!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:23 pm EST

stevie -- agreed...he took on one of the top heavyweights in the NHL and did very well. We need what he brings to the table. Just worried if he'd be able to stay sharp being a #7

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:21 pm EST

Duclair speaks very well, is poised and respectful....he'll be a great Ranger, great role model for young hockey players.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:16 pm EST

Would someone please fucking enlighten me as to how does it benefit NY Rangers to blackout the pre-season game in the southeastern US even though I am paying for NHL center ice AND Sports package which includes the msg network!!!

Topovski


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:10 pm EST

Hfc? Jfc auto correct is wrong

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:09 pm EST

HFCs kid impressed me and his teammates when he helped them win a game taking on a real goon.... Let him learn up here . The kids on other ahl teams will be happy not to see him in Hartford ....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:07 pm EST

Young guns look good and hungry! Rangers look good.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:02 pm EST

Duclair went to the net and finished beautifully! Nice saucer pass by Nash!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:01 pm EST

DuClair from NASH!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:00 pm EST

stevie --interesting that Rosen quoted AV about being interested in McIlrath as 7th D....I'd love to see it a hell of a lot more than those 2 journeymen D we signed. I mean really....could those guys be that much better than McI? Connor Allen might be a better D-man but he doesn't have the magic ingredient that McI has....fists of fury!!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:55 pm EST

gene_carr -- Tonight's game is on MSG network and the '72. Playoff game was on MSG Vault right before tonight's game

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

On NHL at 1 am

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

RANGERS look fast

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:52 pm EST

VEENYO leaving door open for big Mac as 7 th d... Knows nyr need size the missing ingredient against the lalas... Nyr with tough guys with an edge will intimidate and beat most teams any night ... Bring back the blacknblue shirts with grit and balls...

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:50 pm EST

jfc I wish I could see it. Is game only in NY area?

gene_carr


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:47 pm EST

Good for Tarnasky and Rabid's boy!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:46 pm EST

gene_carr -- you're namesake was on MSG before tonight's game...'72 playoffs.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:44 pm EST

Tarnasky wins a fight by a wide margin. He had no interest in protecting his face at all, LOL! Just threw 'em hard and beat the guy up pretty good.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:44 pm EST

Tarnasky can throw them pretty good and takes them

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:42 pm EST

Limburger squeezes the cheese 1-0

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:36 pm EST

MSG is blacked out on Direct TV. Is that only my problem?

gene_carr


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:31 pm EST

JFC - Would love to see that...At that time I had both a Ranger Jersey (#7) and the BlackHawks road jersey......And one name I always loved......PIT MARTIN!!!!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:17 pm EST

And one of my favorites....Bobby Rouseau!

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 7:11 pm EST

Great MSG Vault on before game...Blackhawks vs. Rangers 1972. They're using Marv Alberts radio announcing over the TV feed....sounds so good. Names like Bruce MacGregor, Ted Irvine, Dale Rolfe, Gilles Villemure, Stemkowski, Glen Sather!!, the GAG Line,...Ratelle broke his ankle, missed 20 games and STILL had 109 points...was a shell of himself in the POs and we lost to Bruins in the Finals. Mikita, the Hull brothers, Jim Pappin, Keith Magnuson for the Hawks. Great stuff.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 6:05 pm EST

Hey Claudie-boy........Touch-a touch-a touch-a touch me- I wanna be dirty .......... Fuck you Simmons!

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 6:03 pm EST

Rangers better watch their "rear ends," Giroux may be on the ice... :-)

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:53 pm EST

Bring it on Simmonds! Just like last year! And Yeah, I'm sure the Flyers will dress the likes of Rosehill, Rinaldo and their new/old thug of the week Zac Stortini! Will be good to see how the candidates react to that shit,.,,,Still, Mr. Glass, time to earns some of your money...and Good time to dress Mcilrath also.!! But, Chicago first...Hope NASH starts off on the right fooot!

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:31 pm EST

Rangers are on MSG tonight at 8. Looking forward to it.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:25 pm EST

http://m.snyrangersblog.com/all/2014-15-read-wayne-simmonds-says-that-the-flyers-are-out-for-blood-against-the-rangers#1

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 5:04 pm EST

Can't stand Michelletti....He does not like the Rangers....Needs to go back to the Fishsticks....Have no idea why he is kept around....

PJ


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:35 pm EST

why is joe dickaletti back?...he just praises everybody especially the opposition....what a pos....he's not jd except for my initials for his name. I gave him..aka popeye ..let nbc take him permanently..he was right back at it on Monday....nauseating ..he has a man crush on the nose....probably to keep his job he kisses his ass.....a real phony.......

stevielegs


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:25 pm EST

Cablevision in CT claims to be showing tonight's game at 8:30PM on MSG - which is what I thought Sam and Joe announced during last Monday night's game.....

Ranger47


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:25 pm EST

WILD - You probably are right, it was all news to me and I was barely paying attention to the game...But, still, quite important

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 2:05 pm EST

Hospo: I could be wrong (happens a lot more than i would like!) but I thought I had read that the new face-off rules only pertained to face-offs after an icing.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 26 2014 1:32 pm EST

TDCHI - Face offs are important, and lead to puck control and why I yammered about it this summer given that our top two C's (Brass and Step) are fairly weak...Boyle is gone so that ship has sailed...We all know MOORE is a good FO man but still likely a 4th liner...FO ability may indeed play a roll in who the other two centers are and why I don't see St' Louis at all,,,...All have question marks...yeah, you say Miller is strong and is decent at FOs, but there really is no histroy for him in the NHL...only time will tell....Lombardi had a few very good YEARS in the FO circle (and some bad ones) winning well over 50%, but how rusty is he? Again, time will tell... Hayes to me still looks kinda awkward and weak, and not likely to do well as an HNHL faceoff man.. but as he gets stronger and is able to use his size he should be good in the circle...How long will that take?....And Lindberger, despite Rabid's confidence, remains a mystery to me, including in th FO circle.!.........It's also imortant to note that there is a new FO rule this year...Somebody on the NHL Network was explaining it..I think you get ONE warning in the circle as a team and the next one, no matter who the players is, it's a 2 minute penalty...Important stuff Face offs are...says YODA

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:47 am EST

CBJ / Ranger's Lite beat The Blues, are now 4-0.... Johansen, Dubinsky & Horton (sore back) did not play.... http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/boxscore?id=2014010041

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:45 am EST

I think the problem with MSL at center will fall more on his ability to take faceoffs. Small, but very important part of the game the Rangers have struggled with for years now...one of the reasons I like BOYLE was that he was so big that he could simply overpower people in the circle...I see HAYES doing the same thing...I've stated before that MILLER has been good in the circle...again, I'd give the kid a chance with the top talent...let his aptitude make the determination before I'd start throwing MSL into a position where he probably hasn't played since college.

tdchi


Fri Sep 26 2014 11:42 am EST

No roster spot for Guy Lombardo ? "Auld Lang Syne"

mf


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:47 am EST

In that case: Kreider/MSL/Nash, Miller/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Lindberg/Hayes, Glass/Moore/Stempniak

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:38 am EST

MALONE day-to-day with a hip flexor...ugh...

tdchi


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:33 am EST

Kreider/MSL/Nash, Malone/Brassard/MZA, Hagelin/Miller/Stempniak, Glass/Moore/Hayes

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:23 am EST

Dish Network shows it on the NHL channel tonight but delayed start to around midnight

GaryRanger


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:22 am EST

Id definitely try MSL out at C for a game/scrimmage or two

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:21 am EST

Only Monday's game is live on NHL network; tonight's & Tuesdays are rebroadcasts. It's nice to see NHL Network showing tons of preseason games but I betchya all the reruns have the little spoiler score ticker along the bottom telling you how it'll end. Break out the black electrical tape for the bottom of your screen :)

LeoS


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:17 am EST

Don't know about tonight, but I know Monday and Tuesday are on the NHL Network

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:16 am EST

Ranger47 - I'm saying Stepan could be out for 20-25 games, you never know,..You don't put together a team now based on what you envision when Step comes back (and putting a scrub (relative) there) because it could be pissing away some valuable points...You cross the chemistry bridge when you come to it becasue you have no clue who might get injured in the interim.....But if they all follow AV's systems and all the C's have the same job, there shouldn't be an issue....just an improvement

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 10:14 am EST

Ive seen links to the pre-season games on streamhunter

Messier11


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:57 am EST

Is the game on TV tonight? Wonder if the decision on forwards is a nail-biter right before final cuts, if AV might consider going with carrying only 6 defenseman to start the season. Easy enough to call someone up if thete's an injury on D. Know it's not likely, but if the decision is that tough, it could be a way to see things work out in REAL game situations.

JFC31


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:39 am EST

Hospo: I don't think it will be as simple as "play the best players now and forget about the future" (to paraphrase). I think AV's challenge is going to be to find the right line chemistry as soon as possible (unlike last year where it took forever to get our lines set). So, while shuffling players to account for Stephan's absence may give us the best chance to win a few more games while he's out, that approach may be at the cost of building chemistry on the other lines in a way which is sustainable during his absence. Might be best to get your other 3 lines set in a way for the future at the expense of plugging someone into Stephan's position as a placeholder. AV's going to have some interesting decisions to make in the next couple of weeks. I suspect this team is good enough to win regardless of his choices as long as the lines have some reasonable chemistry....LGR!

Ranger47


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:29 am EST

Hey TDCHI - That was RHET's point! :)..I was just clarifying for you...Didn't say I agreed! I see advantages to both arguements but, like I said earlier yesterday, we have no clue how Stepan will heal, so I go for best team NOW over continuity...

Hospo


Fri Sep 26 2014 9:00 am EST

Paging mf...paging mf...have you logged onto your fantasy team yet?!? Sheesh. I was expecting an explosion of trades from you already and yet nothing...email me at xitriton@yahoo.com if you're having issues.

tdchi


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:58 am EST

Rhet0ric/Hospo - I see your point...But I'm not sure if that's the soundest of logic in the first weeks of the season, where chemistry is kind of a moving target anyway...I'd be a little more understanding if LOMBARDI didn't look so rusty in his first game...I really think this is a perfect opportunity to let JT MILLER a time to show what he has...understand, this is a kid who has played top-line minutes his whole career who has been shoehorned into a third and fourth line assignments every time he's been in New York. Give him a chance to run with the big dogs. Can't think of a better time for him to test his mettle.

tdchi


Fri Sep 26 2014 8:57 am EST

Saw AV saying Hayes prefers wing, the coaches talked with him about it. Said theyd look at him there. If Hayes is out of center mix, itd mean 2 of 3 from Miller-Lombardi-Lindberg probably make it. And thats if all 3 dont make it and they use one as a wing, and cut somewhere else.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 26 2014 6:58 am EST

I am also on the optimist bus for this season. It appears that this season's team will be even better than last years. Will it get the breaks? Who knows. That's why they play the game. My random thoughts are one: Big Mac is not going to play 7th D. He is being developed to be a top pairing guy and will be given this year to make up for lost time. I have a gut feeling that the brain trust would like to see him as Girardi's replacement. If that does not look reasonable later on then he will be moved .Two: The game has a much more European flavor than back in the day. AV plays a style that defies first, second. and third lines. He matches two players per line and moves the other pieces around depending upon special team play. I do not see how the Brassard line could be considered our third line or that Stephan's line was our first? This team is constructed to be an orchestra and not a solo act with a lesser opening act to use another entertainment metaphor.

gene_carr


Thu Sep 25 2014 11:41 pm EST

All of our problems are solved..... Alain Vigneault said today that Marty St. Louis reached out and told him that if necessary he could play center. (Andrew Gross)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 10:13 pm EST

RABID - You had to throw in that crack about Lindberger, eh? :).This is a damn good team...Last year I felt thay could beat any team in the East but Bos and Pitt (I was wrong)..This year, I think they can beat anybody in the East...But, it's early..I think peope are gonna love GLASS before all is said and done,as long as he's kept on the 4th line!

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 10:11 pm EST

Yup;) its all on youtube Hospo, check it out. But watch tomorrow, you can finally get on the bus. Kid is polished and can do it all. With Step's injury, any of these centers eill have to produce to make it. So hopefully its an extended look for all the condenders, in case they start slow. I can see Oscar putting up zero points first four games, but 4 pts in next four if givdn the time. We shall see.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 25 2014 10:04 pm EST

RABID - You had to throw in that crack about Lindberger, eh? :).This is a damn good team...Last year I felt thay could beat any team in the East but Bos and Pitt (I was wrong)..This year, I think they can beat anybody in the East...But, it's early..I think peope are gonna love GLASS before all is said and done,as long as he's kept on the 4th line!

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:42 pm EST

Forgot to mention one guy and thats Marc Staal. Never considered nasty, but you have to watch him closely. If people get out of line hes sneaky about payback via a good shot to the ribs(and doing it without getting caught). And when hes on he will step into people, and hes not only another big boy, but is proving you can come back & play effectively if give the chance to navigate through brain trauma, same chance I think Nash should be afforded. Last thing on Nash is, right now, where do you find a better option? Especially considering the difficulty in moving him? Hes highly motivated too. I stick with him 100% and see what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:20 pm EST

MF not too optimistic, think youre 100% re: wolf pack mentality growing amongst this group. If Malone slots top 6, 3 of our 4 top wings are monsters. Ive seen Kreider throttle people in college, he had no problem with Phanuef and will I think emerge even more this year. Not saying Nash is nasty but the PO Nash was a big truck at times. And Malone can be downright miserable. Second hand cause I couldnt see it but was told Glass hit as hard as anyone since Prust the other night. JT, now has to be odds on to start the year and the kid is a bull and CAN add a lot of moxie. Lindberg if he makes it is not above cracking people, Stempniak is a gritty bugger, Klein can throw down and we know Zuc doesnt back down, period. so the makings are there for balanced toughness, a good bit more than last year on what can be an incredibly balanced team. And if, as we said MCI makes it here second half, it tips the balance imo and we actually become one of the tougher teams out there.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:16 pm EST

Per Brooks..... Anthony Duclair will play Friday night in Chicago on a unit with Derick Brassard in the middle and Rick Nash on the left.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:13 pm EST

TD.... Yeah, Hospo pretty much nailed it. I really don't want to wait to work on chemistry between line mates 9 games into the season when Stepan comes back. The first line may no longer be Step-Nash-Kreider, the Brassard line will have a new LW on it, the third line is almost all new and Moore has two new line mates on the 4th line. We have multiple chemistry issues. Lombardi is a vet and IMO he'd have an easier time adapting. Also, I really don't want to jerk JT Miller around too much. Heck, If I was AV, I'd even double shift Brassard on Step's line and his own line at times during games. I read beat guys saying that the Rangers should move every Ranger center up one line until Step comes back. How the heck is that going to help us develop chemistry?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:06 pm EST

ColoradoMark - POTULNY is more or less a career AHLer...he had some promise in the Flyers' system eight years ago or so, but just never had what it took to play in the NHL for anything more than a cup of coffee...spent the last three years with Hershey...he's actually Wolfpack property...not signed by the Rangers...my guess is the STEP injury has the Rangers trying all avenues to find the best fit...but the chances he stays with the big club are less than zero. Guy like MUELLER is Ranger property and he's going to need to fight to keep himself off the Pack. Potulny, at best, might challenge for the fourth-line center position. I'm pretty sure they brought him in to improve the Pack so they at least compete for the playoffs.

tdchi


Thu Sep 25 2014 8:40 pm EST

Ryan Potulny....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?3551

mf


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:56 pm EST

Umm. Who the heck is Ryan Potulny and why is he still in the big camp? Cool name, though. Brings me back to Walt Podubny- a name I thought was fun to say when I was a kid!

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 25 2014 2:43 pm EST

Hospo: Just some repetitive thinking out loud: with guys like Kreider & McD,& then a JT Miller - JMoore (all an important year older)- & lower wieghts who will throw the body like, Klein & Brassard joining Glass & Malone, man I'm effin stoked about this season.... I truly hop this squad pulls together with "The Tude" (as is attitude) that there is a zero tolerance with any questionable hits to MSL, Nash, Staal.. I'd add Stepan too....

mf


Thu Sep 25 2014 1:44 pm EST

MF - I've been saying that for awhile, so I'm totally with you...Sather had some good vet pickups and we got some kids knocking on or coming thru the door..Healthy, this is a deep, good team that is keeping up with NHL's drection towards speed and talent..Hell, look at the lineup--St. Louis, Nash, Krieder, Brassard, MZA, Stepan, Hags and the rest up front..a very solid Top 6 D...and The King..Given that, and after seeing Malone and Glass in just one game, my earlier qualms about a little more toughness may be moot..Plain and simple, given good health, this is a strong team that has a good chance to win the East..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 1:25 pm EST

sorry about that off topic post

mf


Thu Sep 25 2014 1:07 pm EST

I actually see this years squad being tougher to play against than last years team. With the addition of Glass & Malone, the growth in experience in our younger guys, I can envision a "we're not tolerating any sh_t attitude" develop especially toward guys like MSL & Nash, Staal... It's an exciting part of the year anticipating what this team's identity will develop into & when it will start to reveal itself... Excuse my optimism, but I see this as one tough squad that's able to find the back of the net & with very defensively responsible forwards..... Rah Rah Ranger's!

mf


Thu Sep 25 2014 12:39 pm EST

Gotta remember, if you have one player that kills it the first two games then disappears and another that was garbage initially but kills it towards the end of pre-season, it's pretty simple who you would go for..All depends on how easy or hard the players make it on AV...

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 12:35 pm EST

TDCHI - First, I got the feeling RHET was looking at it from a continuity standpoint so when Stepan comes back, he just replaces Lombardi and the other three lines with Miller and growing chemistry are left in tact.....And second,, Lombarid has a zero game and MILLER has one good period, and the decision is already made? C'mon, lets let this thing play out a bit and have a little patience....Doesn't mean I don't agree with you where the horse race stands after the first lap.and where it ulitmatley might finish ( I do)..but I sure hope AV will show some patience and take itno account all the games and practices though next weekend...MILLER has a chance of Friday to really push further ahead.. .

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 12:21 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Don't understand your thinking re: LOMBARDI filling in for STEPAN. Man, the guy didn't even look like he could MAKE the team on Monday, much less hold down the center position in any of the top three spots...maybe it's rust...maybe it's coming back from the big sheet in Switzerland...hell, maybe it's jetlag...but when you look at a guy who hasn't had a decent year in the NHL since 2009-2010...and then has a pretty rough go at his first night back against a geriatric Devils squad...I'd say that's a pretty good hint he's not the guy to fill in for Step. What's your argument in favor? His experience?

tdchi


Thu Sep 25 2014 11:36 am EST

RHET - I could see that set up, and you know I like LOmbardi, but I would like to see more (or something ) from him first....And I think we will, but.who knows...You also don't know how long Step will be out--it varies and some are slower healers than others.--so continuity for when Step comes back may not be as important as winning games when he is out..MILLER at 2nd C might just provide that!...But HELL, it's only been one game! .............................Other guys get their chance tomorrow and they all get their second chance against the FLYERS on Monday and Tuesday---those will be big games (regarding who makes the team)...

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 11:19 am EST

Even with Stepan out, Lindberg would have to beat out Lombardi and either Stemp, Glass, Miller or Hayes to crack opening lineup.

Messier11


Thu Sep 25 2014 11:17 am EST

schneidw--I hear what your saying but I think Nash could be that guy and the reality is if your big players don't play big you cannot succeed,.Im hoping he digs deep and with some help from Marty and gang is inspired to perform as the leader we all know he can be,,,Maybe having Richards gone will free him up,,,,,Im a 49 year Ranger fan I an really and eternal optimist ,,,,,We had a great year last year I hope it made the boys HUNGRY as I and im sure you and all the wallsters are,,,,,LeTs gO RaNgErS!!!

thedugster


Thu Sep 25 2014 11:05 am EST

Hags-Miller-Nash, Malone-Brass-Zucc, Krieds-Hayes-St.Marty, Stemp-Moore-Glass.

stepunmytoe


Thu Sep 25 2014 10:40 am EST

Hospo... If it were me, I'd put Lombardi in Stepan's slot and try to keep all the line's pretty much the same. I'd just run Brassard's line out there more often.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 10:36 am EST

RHET - Makes sense, Lombardi, Hayes and Mueller got their first shots the other night..MILLER should be playing almos evey night with the more talented players to see if he can fit in (mentally more than physically)

Hospo


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:20 am EST

Steve Zipay.... So looks like Brassard, Miller, Lindberg amd DMoore will be Cs in Chicago

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:13 am EST

For those of you wondering, If Stepan misses the full 6 weeks, he'll miss a total of 9 games.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:10 am EST

Per Steve Zipay.... Lombardi, Hayes among first NYR group on ice. Second group is Chicago bound.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 9:00 am EST

Difference beteeen Nash & the thousand 'names' that came before him is this guy is in his prime. The tail end maybe (Id lean towards definitely) but hes still there. I just cant believe he hasnt been given a chance by some to w ork through these problems, its like sayin we traded 4 pieces for you & took on your big contract, now give us 30-40 goals and big playoff goals no matter what happens or we're done with you. But he can still be that guy, can help us to the Cup. Im sure if it doesnt happen he'll be an ex-Ranger at some point.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 25 2014 8:31 am EST

And in addition to my last point, I also want to add that playing -- without -- big names isnt an option either. CBJ fought well and hard but never even remotely stood a chance against Pittsburgh in a best of 7 series. You need that dimension of guys that can open things up too.

Ola


Thu Sep 25 2014 8:28 am EST

Schneid- Yeah, and I understand your point for sure. But to a certain extent I've "had it" with the "get big names to NY and see them fail"-approch. To some extent, with Nash, I just feel that well this is as good as it gets. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I don't think its far fetched to point out that we have like brought in easily 20-30 big names the last 20 years, and been dissapointed with 20-30 of them -- more or less. MSL wins the Art Ross in Tampa and then comes to NY and scores what 1 goal in 25 regular season game or whatever... A few years from JJ, a year from Gabby and a year from Nash, thats really the only good "STATS" we have had player put up in NY. My point is just that you make your own bed. I though Nash was awful against Boston in the POs last season, and that he wasn't good right after his concussion. Besides that and in the POs, he brought what a player like him brings to the game.

Ola


Thu Sep 25 2014 8:26 am EST

BTW... The Rangers clarified that Stepan never had a foot issue. It was always to his fibula after he blocked that slap shot prior to camp. They x-rayed it that day and yesterday and test results were negative. I guessed they missed something.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 8:07 am EST

Ryan McDonagh said that Derek Jeter would be a good model for him to follow as he goes through his career in New York. (NHL.com) McDonagh said that Jeter built his identity because he won championships and performed at a consistently high level. He says that Jeter has “no ego with him” and he continues to put in the work to prove people wrong. (NHL.com) McDonagh said that his focus every year is to get better at the things he can get better at. (NHL.com) Asked about Jeter over the summer, Henrik Lundqvist said, “What I can say is that I have been in NY for nine years and I don’t think there is any more respected athlete. The way he carries himself and the numbers he can put up are impressive and that is why people love him. As an athlete you really respect that and it’s inspiring to come to NY and see how people look up to him. It’s cool to see him play and how the fans react around him.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 25 2014 7:47 am EST

Ill give you this much York; at least you have a beef with Nash pre-dating his NYR years. Fine. But notion I see here again & again, that because Nash makes a lot of dough he should just hire a doctor & buy off this little problem is ludicrous. This is THE most complex injury an athlete can have Even the experts, brain experts, if not brain surgeons and some pretty smary people, cant agree, except that they're nof good. Nash IS showing courage, hes trying to play. But he had to get out of the woods first. That 2nd concussion is the last big warning sign before the end imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 25 2014 7:15 am EST

One of Lombadi, Miller or Lindberg is going to have to put up some offense as aNo. 2, and it cant be Dom Moore, as idiot Brooks suggests. You not only disrupt your scheme and 4th line, but Moore doesnt have it. What an endless stream of misguided b.s. from a guy who's been on the beat since the 70's. Not to disrupt the Nash bashing.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:41 am EST

OLA- I would like to think your correct, which you most often are, but in this case...37 playoff games and 4 goals is pathetic and there is no acceptable excuse for Nash other than self-preservation...and sorry, at $8M/yr he can hire a sports psychologist to assist him in overcoming his fear of playing in traffic.. I understand players get hurt, but Staal was hitting everything in sight last year and he has a worse concussion history...

schneidw


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:27 am EST

McIlrath Updates??: I wasn't ready to write him off yet.. the little I saw him last year, he looked totally lost on the ice ... so I figured he was Jessiman reprise.. has anybody read anything to the contrary this year? No news is bad news when it comes to a top 10 pick in his 4th year of the minors... just sayin'

schneidw


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:27 am EST

McIlrath Updates??: I wasn't ready to write him off yet.. the little I saw him last year, he looked totally lost on the ice ... so I figured he was Jessiman reprise.. has anybody read anything to the contrary this year? No news is bad news when it comes to a top 10 pick in his 4th year of the minors... just sayin'

schneidw


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:27 am EST

McIlrath Updates??: I wasn't ready to write him off yet.. the little I saw him last year, he looked totally lost on the ice ... so I figured he was Jessiman reprise.. has anybody read anything to the contrary this year? No news is bad news when it comes to a top 10 pick in his 4th year of the minors... just sayin'

schneidw


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:24 am EST

schneidw- I agree with yon Nash's size, otherwise I disagree.

Ola


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:20 am EST

NASH- scary thought Dugster... I think we know what we have with Nash.. a big slow forward who is not willing to pay the price to score goals.. his playoff production tells it all.... when the going gets tough... the weak hang along the perimeter... man, I was so wrong about the Nash trade...

schneidw


Thu Sep 25 2014 6:17 am EST

HOSPO- From my viewpoint, there are a lot of considerations to be factored, starting with the salary cap and the importance of mixing in inexpensive players into the roster .my main point, its a long 80 game season... the team needs to stay healthy and strong for the long haul in order to achieve the main goal of a return to the Stanley cup finals.. bringing young players along is critical to meet that goal..

schneidw


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:33 pm EST

mf - Only centers who would be sent down who would also need to clear waivers are MUELLER and LOMBARDI.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:32 pm EST

Hello EVERYBODY hAPPY HOCKEY SEASON---miss the wall but its walltime,,,ok my take is Nash needs to play big and lead and go to the net,,,Nash is the key iMHO.....How he goes we go,,,do I see a cup run?..Nope but stranger things have happened,,,,,,,,hope your all well and LeTs gO RaNgErS!!!

thedugster


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:12 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Why should he have to trust the prospects? This all about winning the Cup, nothing else...And why Sather signed the vets to give AV more to choose from....You pick the best players, not kids just because they are prospects or home grown..JMWO

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 7:59 pm EST

Silver Lining- Roster spot opened for one of the prospects which is a positive.. trial by fire... AV needs to trust the rookies and not ride D Moore too hard and risk injury or fatigue..he is 33YO after all...

schneidw


Wed Sep 24 2014 7:52 pm EST

STEPAN: I am confused...did he worsen the same injury or is this fracture totally different and unrelated to the previously reported foot injury??

schneidw


Wed Sep 24 2014 7:42 pm EST

Ryan Johansen and his agent, Kurt Overhardt, have reportedly lowered his contract demands. The report says the latest offer was set at two years at $4.7 million per year. Overhardt has now reduced their original asking price by more than $2 million per season. The Blue Jackets probably want Johansen's demands to lower a bit more before they start meaningful negotiations........... With Jordan Staal & Derek Stepan out, market value for centers has just upticked........ supply & demand ......

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 7:30 pm EST

HOSPO: All good points. I understand where you are coming from. We will have to see how it goes. Maybe it has a lot to do with what we think of LOMBARDI prior to his even signing with the Rangers. When I heard the Rangers had signed him my only thought was "Why"? I was more in favor of the signing of the career underachiever POULIOT then I was of LOMBARDI. Well, this is his chance to show he can play NHL hockey again. We shall see.......

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 7:23 pm EST

Is anyone here up to date on whether any of our available prospects to fill a spot due to Stepans injury, need to clear waivers on the way down once Stepan is back in the lineup?? thanx

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 7:06 pm EST

gene_carr - Agree with Hospo on this one...I still think the player this impacts the most is MILLER. Yeah, he was going to make the team anyway..but as what? There was good chance as a bottom-liner. The opening on the top-two lines is HUGE for him...Means he has a chance to be skating with guys who put up points...I suspect KREIDER and MSL, TBH...He's already got a history with Kreider...and MSL is a fairly defensively aware forward...Bump NASH down to the BRASSARD line...Or move MALONE there and have Nash anchor a third with MOORE and HAGELIN...or LINDBERG and HAGELIN...certainly, this is a green light for Lindberg...and an opportunity to get a good 10 games in at the NHL level that I doubt he would have had otherwise...but those minutes are going to be slim...it's the top two lines where they Rangers are going to need a center and for the life of me, I can't see anyone other than Miller taking that assignment.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 6:30 pm EST

On Miller, Stepans misfortune increases Millers chances at center.. As of recent, none is doubting that he's on the opening day roster...

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 6:21 pm EST

Rabid you know me I'm am equal opportunity ahole amd frankly I'm all for player bashing and protecting said player. IMO if a player doesn't want to be put under a microscope then let them play house league and get a 9-5. Nash said he was uncomfortable to play a certain way in certain places a nice way of saying he was afraid which some people will say is playing like a coward. Should everyone go out on their shield like Lafontaine or Lindros? IMO yes Lafontaine played fearless till his final game and I respect that more than showing up and not giving 100%. TD is saying the same thing ripping a player is ripping a player Cmark felt you were out of line about Richards I thought you were going over board but it was how YOU viewed him and that is your right as is it your right to say what you think and feel about him and anyone elses right to disagree. We all bash players right or wrong and that's just how it is TD is not wrong in what he did any more than you were for your Richards posts. We don't have to like a player, nor do we have to refrain on bashing them because they play for this team. I love watching Nash play always did but never wanted him on this team said it before he got here he's heartless and the bigger the game the more he disappears and in his rangers career that has been 100% true.

York18


Wed Sep 24 2014 5:31 pm EST

GENE CARR - yes and no..More than likely a big step up for MILLER in terms of minutes and responsibilities as a likley 2nd C...I agree that it also gives Lindberg and Hayes and Mueller a bit more of a chance to try and win a spot..

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 5:27 pm EST

VIC - If he shows he 's better, no prob....Better player plays...Personally, i couldn';t care less about two or three years from now, I want the CUp THIS YEAR..I feel the same way every year..I don't care what direction any needle is pointing in of if the guy is going to be worthless two years from now, I care about this year and if he can help the team more...And I just as soon wait for Lombardi to shake the rust off this year as I would wait for a kid to break through if they are both the same or struggling...especially when being MORE EXPENSIVE is pretty meaningless with Lombardi getting aorunf 7-800K..

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 5:26 pm EST

Contrary to most poster, the injury to Stephan is not a big boost for JT (he was going to make the team regardless of the Stephan injury). The player most advantaged is Lindburg.

gene_carr


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:53 pm EST

HOSPO: I have patience with the kids because they are cheap and their arrow is pointing up. They will be better next year, better again the year after, etc. I have less patience with vets because they cost much more. And, turning 33 mid season LOMBARDI'S arrow is definitely pointing down. He only gets worse from here as he gets older. He is also more prone to injury so the time you invest in playing him this season could come back to bite you if/when he gets hurt and you are forced to replace him with a kid who hasn't had a season to adjust. So, if a kid shows he is as good or better then LOMBARDI now why would you send him down and keep LOMBARDI? I don't see how that makes sense in either the short or long term.

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:27 pm EST

OSCAR, OSCAR, OSCAR, .... 9/10/14 | 3:28PM: Lindberg said that he adjusted to the North American game “later than expected” but started to play well in the second half of the season. (Rangers) ... On his mindset, Lindberg says that he wants to play his best hockey, not think to much and enjoy playing. (Rangers) ... He said that he worked last year on his consistency and feels that he got better with it. (Rangers) ... 9/6/14 | 5:35PM: It’s expected that Oscar Lindberg will arrive full-time with the Rangers in 2015-16. (Dobber Hockey) ... Lindberg has the talent to be a 60 point player but may end up only as a 40 point guy because he is likely to be a third-line player who has a focus in other areas than scoring. (Dobber Hockey) ... Gordie Clark says that Lindberg will be pushing for a job in the NHL soon and that he has a good work ethic and two-way game. (NHL.com) ... -He is an “all-around” forward who can play both on the PP and PK. (ESPN Insider) ... -The 2014 Hockey News Yearbook, which has Lindberg ranked 10th, has him being an NHLer in 2015-16. ... -The 2014 Hockey News Future Watch issue calls Lindberg a “two-way” center who has 18-20 goal potential. His expected NHL arrival will be in 2015-16. (NHL.com) ... Lindberg is expected to start the season in the AHL but could get called up if he is producing consistently. (HF) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPKA8gEUqzs

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:13 pm EST

VIC - I'll take you up on that assertion if he makes that team,,...Lombardi's game is his speed..He has not had a single injury to his legs..No reason, IF HIS SHOULDERS are healthy (which they weren't until last year), that he can't play well in the open NHL once the rust wears off..No doubt he was a zero on Monday night but Have a little patience..just like you do with kids...

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:08 pm EST

And Ranger Rooks lost to Devil Rooks 5-2...Only know that HAGGERTY scored a goal

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:08 pm EST

MF: LOMBARDI was playing in the Swiss league last year. He did have one year in the NHL in his career where he topped 30 assists. That was 5 years ago (2009-2010). Since then he has a total of 14 assists in 92 NHL games. Given his history I would think it would be something of a miracle if he ever topped 20 assists in an NHL season again.

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:06 pm EST

would have liked Noreau to stay up a little longer.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 4:05 pm EST

No great surprises but Rangers sent down 20..including 12 to HARTFORD --Troy Donnay, Michael Kantor, Nickolas Latta, Paxton Leroux, Chris McCarthy, Richard Nejezchleb, Logan Nelson, Josh Nicholls, Sam Noreau, Mackenzie Skapski, Michael St. Croix, and Andrew Yogan...Would have liked to see KANTOR in a game, but no biggie

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 3:28 pm EST

Lombardi had 30 helpers last year & is a LHS..... Malone or Hagelin on the LW with Lombardi / St.Louis.... Lombardi has an opportunity of a lifetime here, hopefully he's not, "Casey at the bat!" .... for that matter, the tea-leaves have fallen into place for Miller in the middle as opposed to the wing, as well......

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 3:09 pm EST

I don't give a rink rat's ass about kids getting playing time once the season starts or vets for that matter..All I want is the players that give the Rangers the best chance to win..period..Hopefully the next 2-3 weeks determine who that is...Persoanlly, I'd like to see the team's best shooter with the teams best passer, to me that would be BRASSSARD and St. Louis.and given the history, MZA-Brass-St. Louis...Small but very dangerous..If not,MALONE does indeed make a decent linemate for MZA and BRASS...OTOH....MALONE and St.Louis might make a good pair also with Miller in the center.....AV has alot of thinking to do

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:56 pm EST

R47: To me putting MALONE with BRASSARD and MZA makes the most sense. I don't know if he will have the same chemistry that POULIOT had with them (it would be hard to duplicate that), but he does many of the things that POULIOT did that they need. He would definitely create space for MZA and BRASSARD. He has great hands around the net and is difficult to handle in front. He doesn't have POULIOT's speed but maybe he is a little smarter then POULIOT. He would also add size to that line and hopefully help protect those two a bit.

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:52 pm EST

MF: No. You have to pass the puck when you are a center.....;-)

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:46 pm EST

Vic: I've been thinking the same thing in terms of putting Malone with Brass and Zucc...

Ranger47


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:44 pm EST

Can RICK NASH play center?

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:41 pm EST

TD: I see we are thinking alike on the issue for the most part. I also agree on BORQUE. I'd rather see BORQUE then LOMBARDI at this point. But that was just 1 game. LOMBARDI still has the chance to win a job but he will need to be better then he was on Monday.

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:37 pm EST

Bad news for STEPAN for certain. But, the timing of the injury means that he will still be back and had a chance to get his timing back for the second half of the year. He is going to struggle with his conditioning but that can't be helped. The silver lining in this (as others have mentioned) is that it is going to give some people a chance to earn a roster spot with the team out of camp. No question that MILLER stands to gain the most out of this. Hopefully AV will put him with NASH and KRIEDER to see how it looks for a few games this preseason. I would rather see that then having BRASSARD moved away from MZA. And, I think MALONE might actually be a great option to slide into POULIOT's spot on that line. The other guy that may have the most to gain (at least initially) is LINDBERG. If the early reports on his development are accurate then he should be able to hold down that 3rd line Center spot. I don't think HAYES is ready yet and would rather see him play a bigger role in Hartford every night for at least the first few months of the season. If he is tearing it up there they can call him up mid-season. The Rangers could also move MOORE up Center the 3rd line and put LINDBERG on the 4th with GLASS and FAST/STEMPNIAK. LOMBARDI is nothing but an insurance policy to me. I really don't want to see him in the lineup unless LINDBERG and other youngsters prove that they aren't ready.

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:30 pm EST

Ranger47 - totally agree...not that I'm happy about this development, but it does, in some respects, force the hand of the Rangers to take some risks they probably wouldn't have taken otherwise...for me, MILLER at center is a no-brainer. Kid is decent at FOs, is a mucker(and a good one too), can distribute the puck well and, among the kids in camp, is probably the one with the most raw talent. I'd get him with KRIEDER and MSL...Slide MALONE onto the Brass line and then experiment with HAGELIN-LINDBERG-STEMPNIAK...if Lindberg ain't ready, bump MOORE up there and have LOMBARDI skate fourth line...another option is Ryan BOURQUE. I believe he was playing the middle in Hartford for a while. Love the kid as a black ace.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:13 pm EST

Not to sound like a Pollyana, but having Stephan out 4-6 weeks might mean Miller, Hayes or both get some quality Center ice time (where we will need them in the future) as opposed to Wing time (or getting sent down to the AHL). We can survive without Stephan for a while, and the experience for the others may prove invaluable later in the year or in the playoffs - especially if one or both emerge with the added play. Just hope we don't stick Moore or Lombardi on the first line instead....

Ranger47


Wed Sep 24 2014 2:06 pm EST

Rhet- I got one. A NYR fan, a NYI fan and a NJD fan was walking across the Brooklyn Bridge. The NYI fan and NJD fan was run over by a truck. The NYR fan, named Brad, yelled "Come on ketchup!"

Ola


Wed Sep 24 2014 1:51 pm EST

RHET - Only words but I like the message from AV....that they will be looking at all the possibilities and the BEST player(s) will get the nod..Let the competition continue!!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 1:20 pm EST

So, the interchangeable flock of forwards is ready to pay dividends. We have more than enough candidates to fill in for Stepan and it's a chance for someone (paging JT MIller, paging JT Miller!!) to step up and make their case. It hurts to lose Stepam but it's early and it's an opportunity to see what we have.

JFC31


Wed Sep 24 2014 1:14 pm EST

Recap: Alain Vigneault’s comments today (On Derek Stepan, Dom Moore and centers)..... http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/alain-vigneault/recap-alain-vigneaults-comments-today-on-derek-stepan-dom-moore-and-centers/

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 1:07 pm EST

Just to lighten the mood..... A Devils fan, an Islanders fan and a Rangers fan are at a cliff, The Devils fan says "This is for New Jersey!" and jumps off. The Rangers fan says "This is for NewYork!" and pushes the Islander fan off the cliff.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 1:03 pm EST

neither looked great in that role last season, but there would be some musical chairs. Imagine one of Boyle/Moore/Miller/Hayes would get it, and one or two others would end up as the wings. Fortunate that our depth is so positionally flexible.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:48 pm EST

Messier11... Based on last season, Boyle would've centered the 4th line and Dom Moore would've moved up.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:43 pm EST

TDCHI - Pretty much agree with you all the way..Loosing Stepan sucks but that's why Sather signed the vets (Lombardi, Stemp and Malone) to go along with the kid hopefuls..They'll make do and they'll be even stronger when Step comes back..Like we said .HUGE for MILLER..has to be the 2nd/3rd C now...

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:42 pm EST

I know they're very different, but if Boyle had stayed, would we have signed Lombardi? He'd likely have moved up to third for Stepan injury.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:42 pm EST

Reegarding Nash's reaction to his concussions, I don't think it's an excuse, but an unavoidable reaction to "trauma" and everyone's mind & body reacts differently to it. The reaction is innate and instinctive. Anyone who's been in a serious car accident knows that driving a car afterwards is alot different than driving a car before the accident occurs. The mind can play tricks and get more wary/defensive of other drivers leaving their lanes, etc. When the brain experiences sever trauma (and I'd consider a concussion that keeps you out 6 weeks to be a serious trauma) the mind and body create a defensive mechanism to protect itself from further injury. How long it takes or how difficult it is to override the defensive mechanism varies.

JFC31


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:27 pm EST

Bob McKenzie..... “@AnsarKhanMLive: Pavel Datsyuk has second-degree shoulder separation and is out 4-5 weeks, Ken Holland said.” The hits just keep on coming .......Per Andrew Gross..... Also, first roster cuts upcoming later today after Rangers-Devils rookie scrimmage.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:27 pm EST

AV saying 4-6 weeks. No surprises there. See ya in November Step...also says Dom Moore is probably going to pick up some slack...Paging JT Miller...paging Kevin Hayes...Paging Oscar Lindberg...better eat your Wheaties, guys...

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:23 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I'm sorry to lose STEPAN as much...probably even more than the next guy...NO...and I mean ZIPPO remorse about passing on RIBIERO...The Rangers are going to have a challenge on their hands...but it's one they are for once prepared to meet...I'll say this: The Rangers' centers didn't seem outclassed against New Jersey and they had two rookies...one who played his first NHL-level game...as their top-two pivots...Between MILLER, LINDBERG, HAYES and LOMBARDI, I think at least one will rise to the top...Frankly, I think this is a great chance for Miller to not only stick with the team, but to end up between a couple of high-test forwards. And while I think Lindberg could benefit from a few more games in the AHL, I see no reason why he couldn't fill in as third or fourth-line center...Less optimistic with Lombardi, but clearly this turn of events just made his stock rise exponentially...I see BRASSARD-MILLER-LOMBARDI-MOORE down the middle to start. Maybe swap Lindberg for Lombardi if he continues to falter.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:15 pm EST

Wild - Here are his quotes: "Coming back from the concussion, it was tough for me to feel comfortable on the physical side of it...You can say maybe I was a little ‘careful,’ but it wasn’t as much being ‘careful’ as just not being comfortable in certain situations...When you come back from a knee injury, you might not be immediately comfortable on cross-overs, or if you have a groin pull, you can’t shift on the edge to gain speed when you come back. You don’t feel comfortable doing those things that always come naturally...Coming back from a concussion, you want to get hit and prove to yourself that you can handle everything of that nature, but that’s hard to do in practices. It was different for me.” So I don't know what your point is...My point is again: Excuses are like a-holes...everyone has one and they all stink. You feel uncomfortable working? Don't go to work. Better to have someone that feels comfortable than a guy who's running scared, IMO. Of course, I don't think that's what Nash is saying. In fact, I'm really not sure what the hell he's saying other than giving a reason(excuse) for why he was such a perimeter player last season...water under the bridge, provided he can change that bad habit this season. They're gonna need it even more now, seeing that STEPAN is gone for more than a month...

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:11 pm EST

Last season, Derek Dorsett broke his fibula and was given a diagnosis of being out 4 to 6 weeks. Dorsett was injured on January 4th and returned on March 1. In 2011, Brandon Dubinsky missed 3-4 weeks with a stress fracture of his fibula. Gregory Campbell broke his fibula in the 2013 playoffs and was given a timeline of 6 to 8 weeks. (Globe) .....Stevie..... The first or 2nd day of camp, Stepan took a hard slap shot his ankle(area). Continuing to walk or skate on that could have led to him turning a hairline fracture into a fracture. The bruising from the ankle injury could've hidden a fracture.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:09 pm EST

As I and others said during the off-season, there were going to be injuries and slumps and BOTH the kids and vets would get there chance no matter what happened in camp...Too bad it's a significant one right out of the gate!..Oh well, Stepan was pretty crappy the first month of last season after his holdout and we still made the finals!...Just up to the rest of the guys (HUGE time for MILLER) to take over..makes the rest of camp and the first month even more interesting and exciting...

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:02 pm EST

could skating with a foot injury cause a fibula to fracture? was it his foot on that leg? ...doc ?......

stevielegs


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:01 pm EST

OLA.... Lombardi has shown that he has a lot of rust he needs to shake off..... Hayes still needs to show that he has the foot speed to keep up in AV's system. Oscar Lindberg has looked good so far but it's a very small sample size. We've talked about Stepan not being a true #1, but what do we have without him? I'm a bit concerned.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:53 am EST

is young & active.....

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:53 am EST

Messier11.... It's the same ankle that he took a slap shot off of in camp. I said at the time, the problem with those injuries, is that you don't know how bad it is until the swelling goes down. Stepan continuing to walk and skate on it just made it worse.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:52 am EST

"our Swedish"

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:52 am EST

Ola, youre English is way better than any of Swedish so please don't ever pay it a second thought..... Hey, a broken Fibula is waaaay better than a torn ligament.... Not a good comparison, but Stamkos busted his Tibia and came back quickly.... Stepan & young & active, he'll heal quickly with today's medical technology...... NOW, were we offering Stepan, Staal, and something to Columbus for JOHANSEN ??? :-)

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:51 am EST

like with any fracture, it will depend on the type- whether is a clean break or splintering, whether the fracture line is more perpendicular to the bone length-side or if it is diagonal. The wider the fracture surface (long, slant break along length of bone) the more surface area and shorter healing time.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:51 am EST

Rhet: Kreider-Brass-Nash, Malone-Hayes-Zucc, Hagelin-Miller-MSL, Glass-Moore-Stempniak, Lombardi, Fast -- we have a deep roster...

Ola


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:48 am EST

Nevermind: we are Carolina. Zipay: Bad news for #NYR. C Derek Stepan out indefinitely with fractured fibula, believe it's left leg. //// At least Staal got checked.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:48 am EST

Derek Dorsett was out 4-6 weeks when he broke his fibula last season. How good would having signed Ribeiro to a one year $1-mil deal looked now?

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:45 am EST

my english isn't the best, but are we sure that "fibula" is a bone in the body and not like a violin?

Ola


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:45 am EST

Or 4 weeks or 8 months... doesn't seem to be all that coherent info on how long you are out with a borken fibula...

Ola


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:44 am EST

He is out 3-4 months I recon after googling "borken fibula out months"...

Ola


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:44 am EST

How hard can it be to drink some milk?

Ola


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:43 am EST

Puck... I wouldn't be shocked if it went back to that shot he took off his ankle.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:40 am EST

Broken Leg-way to start the season!

puckyou


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:39 am EST

Adam Rotter @AdamRotter NEWS: Derek Stepan has a fractured fibula on.sny.tv/Y3vgRA

puckyou


Wed Sep 24 2014 11:26 am EST

Hey, at least were not Carolina: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=462534

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:56 am EST

CoMark: I see your argument but I will counter only by saying it's perhaps a tad premature to call this strategy sound in that to date, other than Girardi, which is a different situation because he was signed when the Rangers weren't moving their picks, none of his young UFA signings has matured into a Ranger yet. That said, signing those kids because of a sudden derth of high end picks is certainly better than doing nothing.

RF4L


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:46 am EST

I get the feeling that Sather isn't putting acquiring picks as his #1 priority. When picks are traded, it is usually us giving up the higher pick or more picks. He has proven, especially recently, that he can sign guys who are free agents and closer to being ready (Hayes, Bodie, Haggerty) to replace high picks. I really think this is going to be his M.O. going forward and that means he will be more willing to part with picks. It is frustrating on draft day, but the strategy is actually a sound one for a team like the Rangers, who have the money to spend, the lure of the big city and an original 6 franchise that has become competitive.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:45 am EST

Have the Joe Thornton to NYR rumors started yet?

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:44 am EST

It occurs to me that the longer we wait to sign STAAL the greater the risk for the club..... To be continued

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:33 am EST

Excruciating pain could g-d forbid be a ligament.... The Frgosi curse is alive and well

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:31 am EST

If we were shopping Staal for a high picks, I think he'd get at least a 1st right now, and certainly more than just that. It'd be pretty hard for you to prove that point anyways. The best that could be done is showing what one looming UFA went for at deadline and finding a comparable player traded early in the season. I think Clowe would have gone for more than we paid for him. But he wasn't for sale at all.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:30 am EST

t’s been a rough start to training camp for Derek Stepan. Stepan, 24 and entering the second season of a two-year, $6.15 million deal and, along with Derick Brassard, counted on to center one of the Rangers’ top two lines, was helped off the ice today as the team went through on-ice conditioning drills. Stepan, back on the ice after missing two days due to a foot contusion initially suffered on Sept. 9 (the team did not skate on Tuesday as the Rangers held their annual golf outing) was participating in a full-rink sprint drill. But, shortly after pushing off and trying to get up to speed, Stepan collapsed to the ice on both knees around the far blue line, sliding through the neutral zone before coming to a stop in the opposite zone clutching at the area of his left knee. Stepan could be heard groaning in pain as he was attended to on the ice and then helped off by teammates Mats Zuccarello and Marty St. Louis. Prior to today, coach Alain Vigneault had listed Stepan, who did not play in Monday’s 5-4 loss to the Devils in the preseason opener, as day to day and called the foot contusion “nothing serious.” There’s no word yet - obviously - on the severity or nature of Stepan’s conditioning drill injury. But while the Rangers do have a lot of center candidates, they don’t necessarily have a candidate to step into a role on one of the top two lines. Dominic Moore and Chris Mueller and better suited to a bottom six role. Rookie Kevin Hayes showed playmaking skills in college but was used on the wing the past two seasons and is still defensively raw. Matthew Lombardi had a rough first preseason game and will have to knock off a lot of NHL rust quickly to earn Vigneault’s trust for a top-two role. J.T. Miller did play well Monday but having him in a top-two role would be a huge leap for him despite all the progress he’s shown so far in camp. Rookie Oscar Lindberg has looked good in camp and is expected to make his preseason debut Friday in Chicago.

puckyou


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:27 am EST

Per Gross..... "But, shortly after pushing off and trying to get up to speed, Stepan collapsed to the ice on both knees around the far blue line, sliding through the neutral zone before coming to a stop in the opposite zone clutching at the area of his left knee. Stepan could be heard groaning in pain as he was attended to on the ice and then helped off by teammates Mats Zuccarello and Marty St. Louis."

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:25 am EST

Mess: Agree to disagree...I don't have the energy or time to go and pull up trades over the last 5 years or so. Deadline deals always bring more. Pending UFAs get HUGE returns all the time. (2 second rounders for Clowe after the biggest offers earlier in the year were for 3rd rounders or mid level prospects by all reports) GMs loose their minds at the deadline...not just Sather, all of them do. Staal would grab a first rounder plus at the deadline, right now it would be hard to get a first for him...unless he was able to negotiate a long term deal with the new team...but that is harder to get done.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:22 am EST

WILD.... If Ranger luck holds, we're screwed.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:20 am EST

10:52AM: Stepan was clutching his “left leg/knee” and simply fell to the ice. There was no contact that initiated the incident. (Brooks) 9/24/14 | 10:47AM: Derek Stepan has to be helped off the ice and was clutching his “left knee/leg” and was in pain after taking a fall in the Rangers conditioning tests. Stepan had not been on the ice since Sunday. (Gross)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:17 am EST

Wild- I disagree. At the deadline, Staal is a mercenary. Early in the season, a team interested in him long-term will pay more for the window within which to sign him.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:17 am EST

Rhet: I am praying that he just caught a rut in the ice and twisted his knee. Its happened to players during games and such, and they end up missing no time. Thats best case...worse case is scary to think about, don't need Stepan out for 6 months.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:11 am EST

Derek Stepan was helped off the ice during conditioning drills today, clutching his left leg in pain. This is unrelated to Stepan missing a day due to a bruised foot, and it is a giant red flag when a player goes down without contact. According to Larry Brooks, he simply fell to the ice.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:10 am EST

Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN Uh oh. Appears Derek Stepan needed to be helped off ice after going down hard while doing on-ice conditioning here in Greenburgh

puckyou


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:10 am EST

td: Seriously...you don't know what Nash meant? Look at the context of what he was talking about. He felt uncomfortable in certain areas because of the concussion. He was worried he would take a shot and be put again. Look at it from another view, a construction worker falls off a roof, spends a few weeks in the hospital, months later gets back to work, he will be uncomfortable working on the roof for a while until he gets his confidence back. That is NORMAL, I have yet to see a hockey player just step back in after a concussion, there is always a period of time they take to get back at it, and it takes each person their own amount of time. If Nash FEELs better this year he will BE better. He couldn't shake the demons last season, and got too focused on other parts of his game. A fresh season, a better physical fitness level, and time off from injury SHOULD get he reset and playing his game.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 10:05 am EST

Mess: Values of players are NEVER higher than the deadline. GM ALWAYS overpay at and approaching the deadline. NOW and in the off-season they can take their time and feel like they don't need to give in to demands, at the deadline it pay up or go with out. No one would have ever given 2 second rounders for D. Moore a couple years back in the summer or early in the year, but at the deadline 2 seconds was considered a good deal.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:57 am EST

RR - I don't want to get into a protracted conversation about this because I think we have two very dynamically different views on why Rick Nash performed the way he did last year and I think you misinterpret mine. My point is that if you're hired to do a job and you're physically able to do that job, but you don't...guess what...you deserve to get harangued. Nash actually got a free pass compared to some high-priced imports(see: Wade REDDEN). It's not about questioning his courage...it's about commitment...And frankly, I don't know what the F he's talking about when he says he "feels uncomfortable" in certain areas of the ice...you know what that sounds like to me? A goddam excuse. And you know what they say about excuse and a-holes...everyone has one and they all stink. The guy has one final crack at redeeming himself as a Ranger and it seems already people are more than willing to give it to him(see: the post below about how awesome his condition is this year). That's fine too. The Rangers aren't going to embrace the alternative(which is trade him), so there's nothing left to do but give him that chance, hope he produces and turns the cheek on what has now be two absolutely abysmal post-season showings...I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Rangers will live and die by Rick Nash this season...They will NOT win the cup unless he wakes up or is traded...There's no way the team can carry the dead weight of a $7.8 million contract that can't score in clutch games...It's simple mathematics...on the flip side, a Rick Nash that scores a goal every-other-game and maintains that pace through the playoffs will make this team THE toughest in the east and a real bear for even a deep-ass squad like the LA, St. Louis and Chicago to take down...so I'm sorry if I'm not stroking his ego and saying 'oh well, I understand Rick...I understand your career could be hanging in the balance...that you're worried about the future...'...sorry. I ain't going to do that with any of these guys. They make MILLIONS to play a game I pay to play. And I tell you what, when I take the ice, I play hard or I go home. I expect the same of the professionals...and to borrow your term...yes, go out on your shield. Don't become a shadow of yourself at the young age of 30. Play hard or go the hell home...I give RICHARDS more credit because he at least tried...not being comfortable is just an excuse. Not a very good one either. Time to put up or shut up for Rick Nash.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:50 am EST

really, it should be sooner. At the deadline or even just approaching it, his value will be a lot less than right now. Need to get him signed to start the season or move him early next year. Big hole to fill, though. No one in our org poised to do so.

Messier11


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:50 am EST

Left knee

puckyou


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:48 am EST

RF4L: agreed. Sign Staal by the deadline or move him.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:47 am EST

Stepan hurts his knee this morning drills. In much pain-helped off ice. Not good!!!!!!!!

puckyou


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:47 am EST

RHET - Yep, that pretty much summarized the eye-test with MILLER..had a really good 1st period..his physical talent is undeniable...but even Monday night showed that his decision making and consistency, like most kids, is where he needs to get much better...A work in progress,,,.Still, I easily put him on the opening night roster, just not sure where. along with GLASS and MALONE...Updating my FINAL FOUR picks----..Lombardi, Stemp, Fast, Haggerty, Mueller, Hayes fighting for two spots barring injuries..till say the vets make it...................AS for LOMBARDI, as I mentioned and others have too, he was a non-entity...But, one thing to note, AV remembers him from his NHL days in the West (Calgary and PHX) so the guy might get a longer leash than other players given his situation if his speed is still apparent in camp...Just sayin....We need more games!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:41 am EST

Vic: Interesting thoughts. My concern remains that Staal walks away next summer for nothing. That IMO must not be allowed to happen. If he cannot be signed by the trading deadline he needs to be moved.

RF4L


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:26 am EST

JT Miller had two primary assists on Monday night against the Devils to go along with 1 hit, 1 giveaway, 2 takeaways, 1 blocked shot and 8 faceoff wins and 10 faceoff losses. Miller didn’t register a shot attempt on Monday night in his 14:26 of ice time. He played 4:35 in the first period, 4:46 in the second period and 5:05 in the third period. On Miller’s game, Alain Vigneault said “I thought that JT had some good moments. You can see the skill set and he was battling hard on the puck, made some nice plays. For a first exhibition game, a chance to see him in the middle, I think he did some good things.” Miller played an “assertive” game and was effective both on the PP and at even strength. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:08 am EST

Geez, whats better, the trade that brought McD here or that contract? I guess the trade lol, but that contract is a perfect example of catching a guy on the rise and locking him in where both the player is ecstatic and the team saves a bundle.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 24 2014 9:01 am EST

VIC: I don't see it as much of an issue. Staal will probably not get 6 per AAV, he will probably get a deal VERY similar to both McD and Giradi. 4.7-5.5 area, with a NMC that turns into a modified NTC after 3 or 4 years. He MAY (although I don't think so) take what McD took at 4.7 per. That deal right there puts the Rangers into a position that they can pay a little more for a second pair guy (Staal) since their number 1 guy (McD) is being paid well below market value through the 2018-19 season. If you don't HAVE to you don't move Giradi or Staal when you are inside a cup window. Keep in mind the cap will go up a chunk next season, and probably the season after. There will be forwards moved, as these young kids step up with lower contracts, and are just as good we will see older players moved out. Also, don't forget, Klein is a 2.9 million 3rd pair guy. If McIlrath looks better in camp, and goes to Hartford and really takes that next step and is ready to go, it might not be THIS year, but you could easily seen Klein moved at the Draft or the deadline (less likely do to the need for depth) or just during the off-season next summer and McIlrath will make half or less opening up a more cap room. So as long as Staal is willing to sign for a decent deal you do it...moves can always be made.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:46 am EST

td: Its tough though, Kreider and Hags are SO fast, they don't let many in or out of the NHL look fast, even if they are above average. We as Rangers fans a spoiled to have more than one of these speed demons on the ice during a game. Most teams don't even have 1. I notice it when people talk about Rangers players who are "slow" and really if you watch, they are keeping up with the "faster" players on other teams. I think the overall speed of this Rangers teams is above average player by player, and as a whole one of the fastest in the NHL. Its how/when the use it and how efficiently they use it. Its a big part of why they were in the SCF last season.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:40 am EST

York, you bet I got on Richards, but I never questioned his courage. That's below the belt imo. And Richards wasnt hurt like Nash, though, as has been discussed here, I do believe Richards was affected by concussions he suffered in Dallas.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:40 am EST

Gotta to head out of the office for a bit but wanted to throw something out there for consideration. In looking at the roster and some of the young players that are NHL or close to NHL ready I think the Rangers have two very specific and important decisions to make. We need to see the rest of the preseason games to even see how viable these other options are before I would say that these moves really need to happen. But, with that disclaimer I present my two decision points. The first is STAAL vs GIRARDI. IMHO the Rangers cannot afford to keep both of those guys under long term $6 Mil per year deals, along with McSSIAH. That is too much money tied up in 3 defensemen especially when there are a number of kids who could and should be pushing their way onto the roster. If ALLEN looks great in the preseason then I think the Rangers really need to consider moving either STAAL or GIRARDI. My inclination would be to lock up STAAL long term and deal GIRARDI. The other decision point is between STEPAN and BRASSARD. Again, these players are too similar and neither gives you what you want in a #1 Center. STEPAN is younger but BRASSARD has been better in the playoffs and has chemistry with MZA. If one or the other is moved with no Center coming back that opens up a 2nd line Center spot for MILLER and possibly a 3rd line spot for LINDBERG or HAYES at some point this year assuming LOMBARDI starts in that spot. If STEPAN/BRASSARD could be packaged with GIRARDI to some team that has a young budding #1 center that might be a good option for the Rangers. With the Rangers in the Cap situation they are in I think some things will need to be done in terms of moving 2 for 1 with Vets, or just moving some redundant vets to make room for young players who are ready to play NHL hockey and at a much lower cost. This is the hard part about running a franchise in a salary cap world but these decisions have to be made even if they may set you back a little bit in the short term. I would also rather make these moves at the beginning of the season to give the young players that will be stepping in a full season before the playoffs.

Vic


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:39 am EST

If anyone hasn't seen a side by side of Nash of this year vs last. My goodness has he busted his ass this summer. Doesn't guarantee anything but with the mental side of sports if he feels like he is better he will be better. Can see it here --->-->http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/nash-diminishing-staal-waiting-hayes-adapting-sather-leaving-buchnevich-thriving.html

Wildcard


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:39 am EST

York - Maybe a year in the larger rink has Lombardi a little lost...I still suspect the guy has lost a little bit of the jump that made added to his success back in 2009-2010...speed-wise, he didn't stand out to me...definitely not in the same category has Hags and Kreider. Again...first game...but I don't see him making this team.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:35 am EST

JFC31 - Agreed. Rangers DESPERATELY need someone like MALONE in the lineup. In fact, they needed it last year...Malone has the edge I always wanted BOYLE to show...and frankly. he didn't look any slower than Boyler...shame he's not a few years younger, but I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be penned into the starting lineup if he plays every game like his first one.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 8:29 am EST

Don't get me wrong...I ain't pining for DIAZ. Just saying I would have taken him over the seventh-defender candidates we have...and frankly, I think the whole thing is a non-issue, since if there IS a serious injury/suspension at least on the left side, I would say ALLEN is a shoe-in for a full-time position...if not him, than BODIE, who, as I mentioned when he was signed, is pretty much tailor-made for AV's system...picture gets a little more blurry if we have an opening on the right side...but in contrast to last year, all six defensive spots are pretty much chiseled in stone. MOORE would have to have an epic collapse to lose his spot on the team...The injury bug...knock on wood...is the only hope any of these candidates for seventh defender have to end up in the lineup.

tdchi


Wed Sep 24 2014 6:32 am EST

Rabid you were just as bad if not worse when it came to richards you still bagged on him after he left so throwing stones at TD isn't exactly right. Just saying.......Monday's game Malone looked great as I expected. Miller looked as expected a couple bonehead plays but solid. Lombardi looked lost which surprised me. Hayes needs time but I liked what I saw he needs to work on his foot speed at this level. Kristo seems to be the odd man out I don't see where he fits on this team. Kreider a beast fast played solid as usual the d sucked talbot looked off

York18


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:09 am EST

Dan Boyle not above having ‘butterflies’ in Rangers debut...... http://nypost.com/2014/09/23/veteran-dan-boyle-has-always-loved-playing-at-msg/

mf


Wed Sep 24 2014 12:07 am EST

Yeah, chill out! :-)

mf


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:42 pm EST

stating a preference between three candidates for #7 and a former #7 is hardly "pining". chill out

Messier11


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:23 pm EST

Yes, Diaz passed on a tryout with Detroit because he felt he had a shot at some playing time with the Calgary tryout. There's still a very real chance that he ends up without a job. This guy is a non-story.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 23 2014 10:59 pm EST

MF - I think DIAZ is trying out for Calgary..Detroit also wanted him.

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 9:28 pm EST

OMG, pining for Diaz? Really? Wow, clearly the consensus here is that the Rangers have a solid club that's without a doubt built for another deep PO run.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:59 pm EST

Liked the energy Diaz brought when filling in for J.Moore during his suspension last playoff season... Diaz a RHS played the "left side" & was paired with Kevin Klein. The dude skates well & seemed to transition out of the defensive zone with speed & control.. Perhaps he'd be better playing the Right Side......

mf


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:56 pm EST

BTW: Raphael Diaz: RHS - 5'11" 197 lbs 28 y/o

mf


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:49 pm EST

hey, hindsight is 20/20....Diaz is still unsigned, and we have the Cap space to sign him... Got to believe there's a marketplace to unload some of the lower cost signings we've made to free up additional dollars... Although we have 2 to 1 RHS D'men to LHS D'men in the system, outside of KOSTKA, there's noone ready to step in that shoots Right-handed.... On the Left Side we have HUNWICK & then Connor Allen..... Heres a look at the depth..... RHS 1st: Kostka 6'1", 210lbs 28 y/o...Dylan Mc-ill-knee 6'5" 230lbs 22 y/o...Sam Noreau 6'5" 227lbs 21 y/o, ... Calle Andersson 6'2" 211 lbs 20 y/o,...Ryan Graves 6'4" 220lbs 19 y/o,...Ryan Mantha 6'5" 225lbs 18 y/o,...Troy Donnay 6'7" 185 20 y/o,... Tom Hughes 6'2" 225 lbs 22 y/o,... Peter Zamorsky 5'11" 189 lbs 22 y/o, ... Tyler Nanne 5'10" 174 lbs 18 y/o, ........... On the LHS: Matt Hunwick 5'11" 190 lbs 29 y/o, ... Connor Allen 6'1" 210lbs 24 y/o,... Brady Skjei 6'3" 200 lbs 20 y/o,... Matt Bodie 6'0" 175 lbs 24 y/o, ... Daniel Walcott 5'11" 190lbs 20 y/o, ... Steven Kampfer 5'11" 194 lbs 25 y/o.......... Maybe DIAZ wants a shot to play everyday & not ride the pine or the buses... What does it say about him when none of the 30 teams offered him a contract to at least be on a 3rd pair somewhere??? just thinking out loud

mf


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:09 pm EST

agree Diaz > Kostka, Hunwick, Kampher. Only guess is that he wanted more than 650k, and I don't blame him. I would have offered him 1 mill and not signed any of those three.

Messier11


Tue Sep 23 2014 6:17 pm EST

RHET - Of course it was, just had to see what he had left physically and mentally..Looking good so far.....As for BOYLE, might not be a bad idea to have get 3rd pair D minutes and run the PP..

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 6:06 pm EST

On defense: First, I don't think it's any mystery that ALLEN will land in Hartford and HUNWICK on Broadway as the seventh. KOSTKA, IMO, just looked awful last night. Jitters, maybe...but the kid was beaten like a gong on at least two of those goals...and KAMPFER? Meh...Frankly, I wish they had resigned DIAZ. Like his mojo...Hunwick isn't bad. He had a lot of promise with the Bruins a few years back...looked great in Providence when I saw him...didn't see anything spectacular last night...nothing bad either, and that was on a night that was overall VERY bad for the Ranger defense...that, friends, is what life without McDONAGH looks like...on BOYLE: see, I'm hoping I'm wrong here, but my personal belief right now is that it's a real shame STAAL is being saddled with a guy who isn't very good at defense anymore...a specialist...At least with STRALMAN, he had a partner with good mobility. I was left unimpressed with Boyle last night...and if he's as bad defensively as he was against the Devils, Staal is going to have to fully embrace being a stay-at-home defenseman...and his season is going to be ROUGH...I've said for some time that I think Staal has a lot of untapped offensive potential that always seems to take a back seat because he's so good defensively...and always paired up against the OVECHKINS and the CROSBYS...I was kind of hoping he'd end up with a guy like KLEIN who would let him travel a bit more...but no way Boyle drops back to third pairing...For me, he's the biggest question mark on the Ranger defense right now.

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 5:24 pm EST

Hospo... With Malone, it was never about whether he could help the Rangers or not, it was about how much he has left in the tank. If last night was any indication, he still has plenty. When he's going well, He can be a real tempo changer for this team. He will turn out to be a steal. I think past this season we'll be worrying if we can re-sign him or not ....E..... This may be the perfect spot for Boyle. Playing behind McDonagh and having Staal as a partner, this guy must feel like he hit the lottery. In regard to Allen or any of the young guys, I totally agree. They're either going to make the top six or they're being sent to Hartford. None of them is going to sit on the bench as the seventh defenseman.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 23 2014 4:37 pm EST

JFC - Without a doubt on MALONE...Love the player I saw last night,,,.They will need bot him and GLASS, otherwise it will be the Waltzing Walendas which will bite them in the ass some nights (especially in the D-zone)...E - I have learned to not listen to a word CERNY says! I only go by what I see and I wasn't all that impressed with Allen in his little cup of Joe..But, hopefully he has improved and begins showing it, even if against exhibition rosters,

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 4:30 pm EST

IMO, Malone is a lock to make this team and was as soon as they signed him...the only proviso to the latter was IF he had completely lost it as a player. All he has to do is play reasonably well, show that he is in shape, taking this chance seriously and play a PHYSICAL style. A few more games like the 1st one and he's in. The only question then becomes if he can improve as time goes along or will he crash and burn....because, as many of us have stated, this guy has KEY ingredients that we have lacked for a long, long time. Unless he suddenly starts playing like he's got a load of bricks in his pants, he's going to make this team easily.

JFC31


Tue Sep 23 2014 4:04 pm EST

And just a note from someone who has watched our good buddy Dan Boyle for many seasons. Dan, lost a step big time last season. That isn't to say that he cannot play. Because he can. He is not that guy he used to be though. Where he will excel is on the PP obviously where his vision and creativity take over for where 5-5 he can be squeezed out. His biggest knock in my opinion is his size. He used to be so quick at picking you off and turning up ice that he commanded a lot of respect on the ice. Last season he was losing physical battles. He is not a big guy. So as a 5-6 he is in a great situation with the New York Rangers. As a guy getting top-6 minutes? He is gonna fade. But I did like the signing. Of any UFA out there he was the only one who had his skill set available. But keep in mind that SJ let him go and they did not have the offensive weapon to replace him. Now part of it was salary but the other part was the recognition that he is in decline and they wanted no part going forward with their blue line that already has question marks dotted around it.

E


Tue Sep 23 2014 3:57 pm EST

Around last February as memory sometimes serves me well, Jim Cerny is a chat claimed that Allen was the most ready of the defensive prospects and had a roster spot been open he would be playing in the NHL. When I tried to re-qualify that remark in June he walked it back quite a bit to "Allen is one of those guys in the mix..." In his brief stints, I saw an NHL upside player there. Just my ever questionable scouting eyes at work. I liked a lot about his game. But I also wouldn't want to see this kid languishing on the bubble all season. He needs to play, so put him in Hartford if he can't crack the lineup and let him play his way on to the squad. Long term? If I was Moore, I'd be looking over my shoulder. No other defenseman has a bigger target on his back right now. And that isn't to say that I'm down on Moore mind you. I like the kid. Great skater. Emerging as a decent positional hockey player. But also not exceptional enough to hold a roster spot if something else comes along.

E


Tue Sep 23 2014 3:13 pm EST

BTW, any of Hunwick, Koska and Kampna should get icetime equalling what last last year's 7th d-man got, at the most. If one them starts taking a regular turn on the backline it's because one of the starting 6 gets hurt AND there's no one worthy in Hartford. Allen needs to play so unless he can bump one of the proposed top 6, he belongs in the AHL IMO. However, if he does well and makes the brass think twice, then continues to impress in Hartford, he should be the first call-up and start over any of those 3.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 3:08 pm EST

TD: That doesn't excuse, IMO, those that do cover hockey not use some of their journalistic integrity and call things more realistically consistently. They have no problems stroking the team in good times...

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 2:57 pm EST

Hospo: Absolutely agree that depth at D could be hugely important. 2-3 years ago (I think it was) we were really scrambling to piece together a reasonable 6 D due to injury. Let Allen (and McI) get top minutes in Hartford until/if we really need them....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 23 2014 2:35 pm EST

Ola- you know an awful lot about American Throwball for a Swedish guy ;). Re:Nash- completely agree. Just remember he was probably the best player on the ice in some of the international tourney's in the mid 2000's in teams that often included Crosby, lindross, getzlaff etc. He WAS one of the top 5 no doubt at that time and was given a contract on par. Then the injuries hit and he's been battling ever since and I hope he figures it out. He certInly has the skill and physical tools and can potentially play for a long time still as long as he doesn't get fought up in a physical game. Again, I for one have no problem with him not dishing out hits every shift. It's not his job. As long as he figures out some way of putting points on the board I'll be more than happy

_Arc


Tue Sep 23 2014 2:11 pm EST

E - Also, D-men get hurt...Staal.in the past.and Boyle at his age and how lucky has Girardi been?..So, worst case scenario, Girardi and Boyle are out at the same times...and then the 2nd pair is Moore and Klein and a third pair of the three Stooges from last night....So, there, it matters..:)..Of course, this would happen to all teams but just like to see the depoth players play well..

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 2:07 pm EST

E - All is true, but at least it's something to talk about, no? Since when do we worry about how small of an issue something is?

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 2:01 pm EST

One note: first heh! Second Last year Falk and later Diaz held down the coveted 7-8 defensive slot. So whoever makes the team at that position doesn't matter one iota. Chances are they're just there as stop gap. None of the studs (Allen, McIlrath etc...) will be taking that slot regularly other then to come up and practice with the squad and get their cup of coffee cups. Who really needs to fear is the 5-6 defenseman. Assumingly, Klein and Moore. They have poor security. Probably Klein a little more security but if Allen could outplay Moore? Personally, I like the skillset of Allen better.

E


Tue Sep 23 2014 1:59 pm EST

HOSPO: Agree on how they looked...hopefully they get a little better....at the same time, you really never want the 7th Dman to HAVE to play. It happens, but you hope a young kid who is free of waivers to be ready, that way they can come up for a game or two, than go down, and the 7th guy is there only for emergencies....and a game here or there to keep him in game shape. But thats a lot of Ifs and hopes!

Wildcard


Tue Sep 23 2014 1:13 pm EST

WILD - Could very well be and you know I'm usually fine with that strategy..But, to me, Hunwick, Koska and Kampna were very Krapa-like..OH well, not a big thing..

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 12:58 pm EST

Really liked the little wecsaw of Allen. Big kid and real good skater. Seems smart. Might not have a standout part of his game, but just a good solid two way player.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 12:56 pm EST

WILDCARD: That is my thinking as well on the 7th D spot. That is why I think it will go to one of the journeymen guys like HUNWICK. HUNWICK is my odds on favorite for the open spot at the moment because he skates well and seems to have good offensive instincts. We need to see more of all of them though.

Vic


Tue Sep 23 2014 12:47 pm EST

HOSPO: As far as the 7th D spot, Allen may NOT get it just so he can have more playing time in the AHL...they could send him down and if there is a longer term injury he could be recalled and the 7th D man would remain in the same spot as a rarely used Dman. AV also said he likes to have a puck mover in that spot if he can't have a 7th and 8th Dman, so I would bet we will see the best of the puck moving veteran Dmen get that spot, whoever that may be. But I think they will recall guys like Allen or McIlrath to fill any longer term holes. Just MHO of course, but reading between the lines that seems likely.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:13 am EST

Vic - That's largely because the NY media simply doesn't care about hockey. Football, baseball and basketball in that order. There's basically a small window when hockey gets some play, and that's during the weekdays in October before the basketball season starts...Just think about how long Sather got away with serving us dogshit...from the tired old vets who didn't even feign interest in performing...to one bad coaching choice after the next...The Rangers were a trainwreck in 1999 and were allowed to get worse and worse and worse until the lockout...why? Because there was never any real heat on Sather to do something different. Not at least until that 2003-2004 year when the team was just beyond awful...That's why I always say playing in NY has to be a wet dream for NHLers, because you get the best of all worlds...no media scrutiny, and yet you're in one of the best cities in the world...the goddamn Yankees fart in the wrong direction and it'll blow whatever is happening in Rangertown out of the headlines.

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:13 am EST

oops, meant "MILLER was great in the first"

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:12 am EST

RABID/TDCHI - Nash just has to beln the best of both his games, part of the physical straifght forward game he played in the POs (as he was told) and part of the skilled guy we saw before...The task will be all mental.....We'll see..

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:11 am EST

I think it's pretty obvious MSG puts a muzzle on it's direct employees (how often did you hear JD openly criticize the Rangers when he was in the broadcast booth for example) and intimidates the media with revoking press passes. I mean if anyone deserved criticism (until the last 3 seasons) it was Sather and no one ever got on his case in NY. I remember going on Carps' blog and asking him why he didn't and his answer? There's no point because it won't make any difference - he's not going to be fired. Now imagine if all journalists took that fatalistic position - most of what's been exposed via investigative journalism would never have happened! It's a copout and is hiding, I'm certain, the fear that his MSG press pass (or whatever they call it) would be revoked. It's intimidation and reeks of pre-wall Soviet Union paranoia IMO.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:10 am EST

TDCHI - As I said, last night MILLER great and it was his passing that I liked. Still, he can't help himself sometimes, towards the end of the first he makes a dumbass pass in the D-zone instead of getting it out..Deviels keep it in for two minutes and draw a penalty..The kid is physically gifted and should be in the TOP 12 but it will be a constant battle with some of his thought process..Then again, he's a kid.......As for MALONE, there were a few times I saw 24 and I said who's that PYLON, but once in the OFFENSIVE sone, MALONE was a killer and a rare breed for the Rangers..He will help BIG TIME..Not too many players on the team would have buried that goal like he did.....We pretty much agreed on all the players and saw the same game,.,.And while the D pretty much sucked, I'm not that worried with McD, Girardi, and Klein not hitting the ice yet....Love to see somebody grab the 7th D-man spot and nobody did that last night...I guess ALLEN gets his shot the next game..Anybody else realistically?

Hospo


Tue Sep 23 2014 11:03 am EST

TD: We're referring to the NY media who actually spend time with the players on a regular basis. Dudes like McGuire don't. Ray Ferraro during the POs was all over Nash verbally, but while correct, it's not quite the same thing as NY media doing that where they come into the room on a daily basis and/or Nash stands a better chance of reading it or hearing it.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 10:51 am EST

TD: I think you are taking it one step further in saying the media was complicit in trying to gloss over NASH's lack of production. That may be true for some in the media but I'm not even going to go there even though I tend to agree with you. All I was asking for is some analytical depth to the coverage of the team. Trust me, if ELI MANNING even remotely looked like he wasn't able to throw as hard as he did in the past it would be blasted all over the media the next day. When BRANDON JACOBS either couldn't or wouldn't run with the same buldozing reckless abandon he was murdered in the media. The same goes for baseball players. Any deviation from their normal game and the media is stepping over each other to speculate and analyze why. Why don't we see that with the coverage of the Rangers? And it goes beyond NASH but for argument's sake lets just stick with NASH. Why didn't one media guy have the guts to say that NASH is playing scared? Maybe someone in the media did and I missed it, but I don't recall ever seeing that.

Vic


Tue Sep 23 2014 10:08 am EST

Ive been sayin some same TD. He needs to reinvent - or modify - parts of his game. But quit equating him currently to his contract. It was signed in Columbus and the risk is inherent. Everybody knows that.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 10:07 am EST

Vic/RF4L - Not sure what you guys mean about the media not recognizing the shift in NASH'S play...from my perspective, they sat there and let him get off virtually unscathed the whole season...his worst production wise since he started in the NHL...even as late as March and even April, guys like McGuire were giving him a verbal handjob...even during the playoffs...they were like "look at Rick Nash, the puck might not be going in the net, but he's playing some of his best hockey...gush...gush...gush..." So if you mean the media was too complacent and weak to call out NASH for his abysmal season...or the utter dearth of reason the Rangers exhibited in trading for him, then I agree 10,000 percent. They let the guy skirt from disappearing act to disappearing act...and while I'll cut the guy A LITTLE slack for his concussion...I'm sorry...you're the highest paid Ranger skater. There's a different standard of performance for you and if you CAN'T live up to it, then jump on the IR until you can.

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 10:01 am EST

RR - Look, I wouldn't be nearly as critical if it weren't for the fact that NASH was brought in here to do a specific thing and is still getting paid for that specific thing, and despite being physically able to play that way, has felt comfortable enough to become a perimeter player...No one is asking Nash to be a hitting beast. No one is asking Nash to drop the gloves. What we are asking Nash to do is get engaged in the game and use his goddamn brain...players re-invent themselves all the time in the NHL...simply part of the game. You're never going to be able to play the same game you did at 20 when your headed into your 30s. Nash, I would hope, should recognize that. The Rangers have given him more than ample space to do just that and the response we've gotten so far is a guy who picks and chooses hits just like he does his scoring chances...Now look...maybe the guy needed a season to do that...and maybe he comes back a different player....personally, I think Nash can have the best of both worlds...he can use his skill, but he also has to realize he's one of the bigger guys out there and playing a game that DOESN'T involve getting near the crease won't work for him...Clean slate this year. I'd love to see him explode into the season...I just have my serious doubts that it happens...My crystal ball says Dany Heatley II.

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 9:40 am EST

During last night's game I kept asking myself "why are the Devils able to puck hog so much?". And then I realized that not only were we missing McD and Girardi (which would have pushed the other D down), but also Step, MZA and (to a lesser extent) Brass who all are so key to the forecheck in the O zone. Liked what I saw out of JT and Malone. Looking forward to seeing who are final 22 are and what the line combinations will look like....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 23 2014 9:24 am EST

Good to read all that, Vic. Im trapped with little telecom. RF, thats because they ARE small. Lame beyond lame. And still the truth gets out (eventually), like it always does.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 9:14 am EST

RF4L: Agreed. To me it boils down to this with NASH. When he was in his prime he was a force because all he cared about was the puck and the goal. He never thought about getting hit. The moves he used to make were amazing. His ability to maintain control over the puck as he went in, around and through people was unreal. Since the head injuries that has changed. You can see that the puck and goal are secondary concerns for him when he has the puck. He is looking up to see who, if anyone, is lining up to hit him. He constantly loses the puck when stickhandling now. He can't make more then one move and retain control of the puck, and that one move is to always cut to the outside for fear of getting hit. He is a shadow of the player he used to be. If he can't get his head on straight again (and I don't think he ever will) then I really don't want him here no matter how hard he tries otherwise. You can't pay a guy $8Million a year to the player NASH was last year in the playoffs. He won't be moved, though, because I don't think you can find another team to absorb his cap hit. The other reason he won't be moved is because he still puts up points. Until the Rangers have a glut of other players who could put up the same production he isn't likely to be moved.

Vic


Tue Sep 23 2014 9:00 am EST

Vic: The media never seems to challenge anything about the Rangers. LB comes the closest but he'll also go overboard stroking the regime unnecessarily at times, too. Clearly, they are afraid, just like those who are employed directly by MSG are (like Shitiletti, Cerny, etc). It's shameful and makes Dolans and company appear to be ridiculously paranoid and very very small.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:59 am EST

Finishing up on my main point, what gets me excited is that the Rangers only dressed a few guys that have a shot at making this team last night. We have yet to see HAGGERTY, HRIVEK, LINDBERG, ALLEN, etc. Not to mention the really young guys who already look like NHL players (DUCLAIR, the Russian kid, etc.). To me it looks like the Rangers have way too many guys who are ready or close to ready to play at the NHL level. They are going to have to make some moves. From what I have seen so far the Rangers lineup should be IMHO: NASH-STEPAN-KREIDER, MZA-BRASSARD-MALONE, HAGS-MILLER-MSL, GLASS-MOORE-FAST. Keep STEMP or LOMBARDI as a spare forward.

Vic


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:51 am EST

Regarding the game last night I have to say I was as positive coming out of that game as I have ever been watching a preseason game. Usually the Rangers go into a season with one or two guys having an outside chance of making the team. Not because there are only one or two openings but because there are only a few guys who look like they could make the team. Also, I have gotten used to the Rangers youth looking like it would be a miracle if they ever made an NHL roster. Guys like the highly touted GRACHEV who looked like a stiff from his first preseason shift. Not so anymore. In particular, I liked what I saw from HAYES and KRISTO. HAYES is going to be a player. You can just see it. He needs to fill out and get used to the speed but damn he looked real good at times considering that was his first NHL level game. KRISTO looked like an NHL player as well. Yes he made a few mistakes but so did the vets. KRISTO skated well and that line of KRISTO, KREIDER and HAYES had some chemistry. FAST was tasked with playing on the 4th line but he played a good defensive game and capitalized on the one chance he had. I don't know if that was a fair comparison for him and I'd like to see him get a game or two with some offensive minded players. MILLER was strong last night and showed he belongs with the team. He had one boneheaded pass in his own end that nearly ended up in disaster but otherwise he was solid. KREIDER and HAGS were flying. Nice to see KREIDER play that way out of the gate in preseason. It shows he gets it now. On D I thought HUNWICK played a decent game and was a factor in the offensive zone. He can skate and was decisive in going into the offensive zone on a few occasions. I could see him sticking as the 7th Dman. KOSTKA had a horrible first period. He got better as the game went on but I don't see any way he sticks with better players ahead of on the depth chart and the Rangers already being set on the top 6. HANK looked good. TALBOT looked rusty. MALONE looked very strong. If he plays at that level every game there is no way he doesn't make this roster. LOMBARDI is fast but is too small and adds little. I don't see how he makes the team. BORQUE was better then LOMBARDI and I'd like to see more of him. MEULLER was a pleasant surprise. He is a decent two-way player with some size. At even strength he was good. On the PP he was very good. I don't know if that is enough to make the team but he could be a call up if the PP struggles.

Vic


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:41 am EST

Man TD, sometimes.. idk. Does it make you feel macho to berate another man as less than? I dont get it. Icecapades? The guy 45 PO hits, some of them huge. Hes trying to navigate through this but his CAREER hangs in the balance. Should he do something stupid and go out on his shield just so you can say "at least he whateverthe#@! $ ever"? Man...

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:32 am EST

RF4L: What I find interesting on the NASH issue is that his play was so obviously different yet none of the media really bothered to pursue it. I don't recall one beat reporter writing that NASH appeared afraid to go into the dirty areas yet I know you and I and several others were pretty vocal about it. It was pretty obvious. If we could see it then they could as well.

Vic


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:28 am EST

RF4L - re: Nash...That whole explanation to me is a gigantic, bold-print "MEH"...so he said he's not comfortable playing in certain areas? Not scared, but rather uncomfortable? Sounds more like an excuse to me...Nash showed he could play in those areas when he felt like it(see: versus Columbus) and if he can't do that on a consistent basis, then he doesn't A. belong making $7.8 million; B. belong anywhere near the Rangers' top two lines; and C. belong on the team at all. Running through the lineup, I can't think of a single player that doesn't go into the gritty areas. If Nash can't get comfortable there, then he's gotta find a new team or a new career. I hear Iscapades is hiring.

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:22 am EST

Actually, I think MILLER and MALONE would be great on a line...they played very well when they were together last night...add in NASH on the right and you have one hell of a third line. Roll it with your first two...get them equal playing time. That allows you to start MSL with STEP and KREIDER and then put HAGELIN with BRASS and ZUCC. GLASS-MOORE-STEMP as your fourth.

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:18 am EST

Right. Except Lucic is a special asshole, gets you from behind. Nothing you can do, EXCEPT again, said it all summer; if I was Nash Id go full shield, screw what anyone thinks. Hes got a very delicate problem if he gets touched in the wrong place. Alter your physical game a bit, add some protection, take ownership of the high slot ala Espo, and dont worry about it. Whatever will be...... he can have a great year & definitely lift the Cup, if all goes well

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:17 am EST

Couple thoughts about the game...First, my top three players were MILLER, MALONE and MUELLER in that order...Miller was just dominant in the first. And while I agree he slowed a bit in the second and third, he was regularly creating chances every time he was out there. His quick pass to Mueller on the PP in the second was a goal if that kid had just pulled the trigger...Granted it's one game, but I see him as a lock for this team...Malone...man, he didn't look slow to me at all...rather, he looked like a beast. Very strong. Just imposing himself on guys. Unless he falls ill with Tikkanen's disease, I don't see a way that he ends up in Hartford...and Mueller...admittedly, he's a tweener...and really, I don't see a snowball's chance in hell he makes the team...but that said, he had a good game for the most part...On the flip side, if I were making cuts based on yesterday, KOSTKA would be on his way to Hartford. The guy was utterly abysmal. Not that it matters, since the Rangers have plenty of others to challenge for that seventh defender's spot...the only guy playing without a roster spot yesterday that I saw as challenging would be HUNWICK...and even he looked a little shaky...Dan BOYLE...ugh...Dan Boyle...yesterday was the culmination of all my fears over the guy...In between making boneheaded drop passes in front of the net(that was a 'wow') and getting beat like a gong, he did nothing to suggest he's going to fix the powerplay...JT Miller looked better as a PPQB than Boyle...one game...I know...And HAYES...big kid, didn't have a bad game per se...but if the decision was today, he'd be on a bus to Hartford...Riding next to him would be LOMBARDI...another guy who just showed me nothing. Mueller stood out...Lombardi didn't do squat...While HAGELIN and KREIDER were digging in and showing their speed, he didn't stand out as one of the faster guys...We'll see what STEMPNIAK has to offer, but my odds are with Lombardi starting in Hartford right now...I, too, was OK with Tanner GLASS...Nothing great, but a serviceable goon to throw out there when the Pens or Flyers come to town...the combination of him and MALONE in the lineup will solve the Rangers' issues with toughness...Rest of the team looked pretty non-descript...will say on the HAYES kid...he was 55 percent in the faceoff circle. Now if we could get him to use his frame like Kreider does...

tdchi


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:14 am EST

There'd have to be more than 20 high-end prospects in next years draft for it to substantively matter whether or not we had a first-rounder.

Messier11


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:07 am EST

RR: Agreed that some of the retribution is the responsibility of the player being gooned and there's physically no reason why Nash shouldn't retaliate. He's one of the bigger players in the league. I'm not expecting him to drop the gloves but like you say, if/when you see an asshole like Lucic coming at you, get your stick up. I'll happily work my tail off on the PK while a teammate like Nash sits in the box because he's bloodied an asshole like Lucic.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 8:03 am EST

Couldnt agree more RF. Everything is geared for the POs. With another 30 or so AHL games, could well see McIlrath get worked in the second half, and have what you & I hope to see Come playoff time. Meantime, Glass & Malone can safeguard SOME, but all Nash himself has to do is keep his stick up. You go near him, you get it.we'll have to live eith s few PIMs. So what.Players have to command respect out there. The insane cheap stuff that happens, weve all seen it too many times, usually there no deterrent or defensr usually.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:45 am EST

RR: Yeah, that wouldn't hurt. I just wish McI was ready. I know having someone like him in the lineup isn't gonna deter everyone from being an asshole, but it'll for sure reduce the number who are, not to mention the frequency of the nastiness. Plus, this isn't a RIck Nash only issue. It's for the entire team. And for those who poo-poo this argument/theory: Think of how you felt 3 years ago when in the lineup regularly was Prust and oftentimes alongside him were Rupp and Bickel and when liberties were taken on a smaller, less physical Ranger one (or all) of those dudes went after the perpertrator and retribution was handed out. If you didn't get fired up watching it, then we can agree to disagree on this indefinitely. If you did, imagine how the Ranger players felt? They all probably grew 2 inches and gained 20 pounds. I haven't played competitive hockey for years, but I do recall when I did and nastiness ensued if/when my teammates responded on my behalf (or a teammates behave) it was inspiring. Big time.

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:36 am EST

TD: You'll like this one, I think: Ulfie's boy shone in the Yotes pre-season opener, scoring a goal and 2 assists in a Phoenix 5-4 win over LA. Tie's son Max Domi, put up 3 assists. I like both kids and if they're for real, they'll help fill a top 6 void on the Yotes (because Don Maloney's drafting record isn't anything to write home about, starting as the Ranger GM).

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:35 am EST

Agree RF. Think thats why you put Malone with Step & Nash and leave him there. Biggest nasty forward we have, he always takes a D to the net and opens things up a bit. Added bonus is Kreider would have to ho to Zuc-Brass line, which would be phenomenal imo. And St Louis plays 3rd line, everyone in a natural position. And btw, Lombardi (and Miller) with mixed reviews from what Ive seen. There's Lindberg's opening.'

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:33 am EST

Geeesh, a third high-end prospect for next June's draft, a draft where the Rangers don't have a first round selection. And this kid is another highly skilled American on his way to NHL stardom: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=462393

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:29 am EST

Ola: Totally concur with your take on Fast as a Ranger so far. Very non-descript and that's putting it nicely. As Ive said on here a few times, he comes advertised as a Hagelin twin (well maybe not twin - maybe younger brother is more apt) but in the 2 games I saw him in, unlike Hagelin, who's shown his speed from the first shift I saw him play, nothing stood out, including his alleged footspeed. I did see his goal from last night however: Is that a fluke or can he regularly shoot like that? I mean, yowza, what a shot!!!

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:25 am EST

So FINALLY Rick Nash admits the concussion he sustained last fall made him avoid the high traffic areas and play on the perimeter. I say FINALLY because to my knowledge until LB's column yesterday, I'd not seen him or Ranger management admit that. He tries to downplay it via semantics, but admits the concussion affected his play: "“Coming back from the concussion, it was tough for me to feel comfortable on the physical side of it. You can say maybe I was a little ‘careful,’ but it wasn’t as much being ‘careful’ as just not being comfortable in certain situations." He seems raring to go - gotta figure, however, if he suffers another concussion this year, that'll be it. He'll be forever forward a perimeter player. And given the Rangers lack of retaliation behaviour when one of their own is abused, if Nash is scoring because he's playing the way he should, he's gonna get targeted. Big time. That means, therefore, if he's indeed concussion-prone now, it's likely not a matter of if he'll get concussed again, but when (and what idiot cheap-shots him).

RF4L


Tue Sep 23 2014 7:19 am EST

Ola, didnt get to see much of game unfortunately but my guess is Fast is processing out there, and thusly seems to be standing around a bit. Kreider was doing same if you remember, people got all over him for it. Theyre just trying to be careful, they know this is important. Ive seen Fast in the flow, he'll be fine in that regard.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 23 2014 6:42 am EST

Saw only the last two periods. The D was bad but I did like what I saw out of JMoore in the offensive zone. Much more decisive than most of last year. JT Miller was very good then a bit erratic. Kreider, Hagelin and even MSL were flying out there for the first PS game of the year. Can't wait to see McD, Nash, Zucc, Haggerty and company on Friday

DCIGolfer


Tue Sep 23 2014 5:51 am EST

Agree with all who said it, the Dmen were bad last night. Of course if we looked back over th years it's probably a common theme for early pre-season games. D is so much reliant on timing and mental sharpness along with positioning of the individual and at times positioning of others in support roles that these pre-season games can make Dmen look worse. All I care is that we see improvement as times goes on and the team gets smaller and more used to playing with each other.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 23 2014 4:04 am EST

Hospo- Fast has falled short and been MIA largly during his NHL career so far. But that is suprising to me. I've seen that he can be very verstaile, be it by ripping one-times, making very good opening passes in odd man situations, he has that ability to pick-pocket people. But more than anything else I wanna see him move his feets more. He is a 6'1 or something speedy young winger, why is he crusing around on the ice so often?

Ola


Mon Sep 22 2014 10:54 pm EST

Just some quick butt ends after watching JUST tonights game...The Rangers are giving JT MILLER every chance to come up big and he had an excellent 1st period...and otherwise OK...Occasionally MALONE looked a little slow but, damn, other times including the goal he showed exactly why the Rangers need his physical presence dearly...Glass actually knows how to play the game a little, I see him as a slam dunk.......One Day, I think HAYES is going to be a force at C for the Rangers and he did a few good things but he clearly can use time in the minors that will only make him better..Kristo has some skill with the puck (passing) but the competiton will end up being too tough.....Mueller? not a bad player but has AHL-NHL tweener written all over him....Was gonna say FAST had his typiclal no-error non-descript game, but man, what a wicked shot for his goal...Disappointed in LOMBARDI, don't think he added anything at al.......l..training camp is short, he needs to show he belongs....As for the D, the less said the better...I thought they all sucked! And as somebody just said, BOYLE was horrendous..As for a team note,...the Devils controlled the slot and crease in the Rangers D and were definetly the more physical team...Given the makeup of the Rangers, this may not be a rare occurrence this year..GLASS and MALONE have to be in the top 13 forwards..Again, just one game, I'll change my mind on Weds!

Hospo


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:47 pm EST

Dan Boyle as advertised defensively.....Horrible in this game....

PJ


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:29 pm EST

Farm out Talbot!

RF4L


Mon Sep 22 2014 6:10 pm EST

Trade Hank !

stepunmytoe


Mon Sep 22 2014 5:41 pm EST

Jog your memories, Last years playoffs, recall Stepan left circle feeding St.Louis for the one-timer in the slot 10-15 feet out.... Picture perfect... Worth a line combo tryout when Stepan returns.... jmo naturally

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 5:33 pm EST

Rookie question: Is it not "optimal" to have a RHS LW with a RHS center & a LHS RW when playing with a LHS center? sincerely, from the clueless jackass club

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 5:06 pm EST

TDCHI - Or Step doesn't compliment Nash...:)....An International or Junior tournament means little to me...Success in the NHL is all that matters...I know Step can pass and has good vision, but I don't remember seeing any great chemistry with Kreider and, as you say, Nash....But, I could see it working with Kid K....So....maybe a KREIDER-Step-St. Louis line might give Step somebody Big that goes to the net and somebody that finds the creases....And maybe MZA and Nash will give Brassard the same opportunities?...Eh, ..Who knows.....Ijust don't want to put the blame on one player (Nash or Step) when I know both have shown their limitations when playing together..

Hospo


Mon Sep 22 2014 4:49 pm EST

Hospo - I'll tell you two of the best lines I've seen STEPAN on...first was KREIDER-STEPAN-KRISTO in the world juniors...The line was just awesome. No one had an answer to it...Kreider was a bull...no one could match his speed...Step was dishing the puck...Kristo seemed to do a bit of both...then the other one was HAGELIN-STEPAN-ZUCCARELLO...think that was during Zucc's first stint on the Rangers, but those guys were aces...again, you had two speedy wingers that Step was threading. His footspeed didn't impact that line at all. His vision, however, really helped it...My point with NASH is that his game simply doesn't compliment Step's at all...Step and Kreider are very compatible though...even if Kreids blows him out of the water in speed...Step can play well with fast wingers. What he doesn't play well with is perimeter players. He needs that guy going hard to the net.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 3:33 pm EST

TDCHI - OTOH, I think you are wrong on STEP not doing things wrong......I give him a lot of credit for coming back from his injury against Montreal and playing some good gritty, if not physical hockey.in that series....He showed he knows what it takes...However, that doesn't negate that he was pretty much a limp noodle against Philly and Pitt...and just plain ineffective (but the effort was there) agasint the Kings...I'm sure the injury had something to do with it...Still....Anyway, I'm not sure if Stepan is the right center for Nash or even Kreider....Don't think he's fast enough to keep up with them, two players that like to sciore on the fly,... which negates his top skill, his playmaking ability....I wouldn';t mind seeing him play with somebody like St. Louis and ??? that he can set up in the offensive zone...

Hospo


Mon Sep 22 2014 3:19 pm EST

TDCHI - Your criticism of NASH is valid...He is a very good puck carrier and mover but, you are right, has no clue how to set up linemates when he is in that mode, and it usually results in a missed chance.....I think that's why he simplified his game in the POs or more likely was TOLD to simplify his game............. instead of his spinoramas and that backskating move of his, he was likely told to play a straight ahead game,.....When he went to simpler game, there were also times when he drove to the net and he couldn't be stopped..He just couldn't put the puck in the net.....What he's got to do is find the best of both "games" and put it together and hopefully the Rangers allow him a little freedom..... I think he can do it...We'll see

Hospo


Mon Sep 22 2014 3:15 pm EST

mf - Sorry, but from where I see it, STEPAN and KREIDER were doing what they were supposed to be doing. It's the third cog in that equation that wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing. Just to hammer that point home a bit, Step's production with the Rangers has been pretty damn consistent. Dropped off a bit last season...which just happened to coincide with the year Nash was moved on his line. I'm not gonna say those two were flawless...but seemed to me they did what was expected. Nash was the glaring example of a guy who didn't, in even the most modest of senses, live up to expectations.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 2:44 pm EST

JFC31 - I think we're on the same page. Didn't see your post before I wrote mine, but my gist with Nasher has always been that his development in the largely bereft-of-talent Columbus organization lead to him trying to do WAAAY too much himself..I'd say ego, but Nash simply doesn't strike me as that type of guy...Thing is, he can carry the puck well, he simply seems to have no clue when it comes to dishing it out...always tries the flashy toedrag or deke and not the lunch pail play...There's no question in my mind about the talent in Nash. He's just got to somehow get on the same page with his teamates to best use it...otherwise, you might as well put him on a line with GLASS and MOORE...having him with either of those top-two lines is a big mistake, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 2:43 pm EST

RR: I was knocking C & F .....

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 2:10 pm EST

Im gonna guess, as the ONLY NHL player to bury 20 each of the last 10 years that Nash can do without Corsi & Fenwick's geeky advice. Amazing amid all the analysis of him how little gets attributed to his concussions, the biggest reason for his difficulties imo. Right now I think he is one very large, very talented, very pissed off individual. he knows what he needs to do.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 22 2014 1:53 pm EST

Tonights PreSeason Game 7pm, Channels 27 & 48 on TWC here in the City.....

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 1:19 pm EST

tdchi -- hard to tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with what I posted....it seems that you're repeating my points except for the "hitting machine" point which I was saying is NOT what should be expected of Nash.

JFC31


Mon Sep 22 2014 1:04 pm EST

THANKS RF73!

jkropp


Mon Sep 22 2014 1:04 pm EST

to add to that; I wonder if Cori & Fenwick can tell us how many times there is an open man for Nash to pass the puck or the percentage of times when he's had possession of the puck & not looked for or found the open man.... Nash is consistently beating one defensive assignment, as the 2nd defender adjusts to cover Nash an opening for his line-mate develops... I'm an equal opportunity basher, it's also up to his line-mates to be in the open lane to receive a pass.......

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 1:03 pm EST

to add to that; I wonder if Cori & Fenwick can tell us how many times there is an open man for Nash to pass the puck or the percentage of tims when he's had possession of the puck & not looked for or found the open man.... Nash is consistently beating one defensive assignment, as the 2nd defender adjusts to cover Nash an opening for his line-mate develops... I'm an equal opportunity basher, it's also up to his line-mates to be in the open lane to receive a pass.......

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 12:50 pm EST

NASH as a "hitting machine?" That's ludicrous. That's like asking Tanner GLASS to be a scoring machine. What Nash NEEDS to do is first, play the game with a consistent level of intensity...and second...perhaps above all...USE HIS LINEMATES. Too often this guy tries to do everything himself. He goes for the tough play, rather than the easy, no-brainer...I can't tell you how many times I've seen him try to weave through three guys by himself without every once taking a glance to see where his linemates are on the ice...no, we don't need a Rick Nash to be tarring guys on the boards...what we need is Rick Nash driving to the net WITH someone and using that forward, rather than trying to do everything himself. It's one of the reasons I've marveled about him being on a line with STEPAN, who is very good at distributing the puck...man...if the two of them could get a give-and-go together...watch out...but it's give, and then watch Nash try to weave through a brick wall of defensemen only to turnover the puck.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 12:18 pm EST

a 6'4" guy like Nash & his defensive assignment can do wonders to screen a goalie... we were totally devoid of any contribution in this dept. from Nash last year, except possibly on the PP during the PO's... I seem to recall he went to the crease on the PP....

mf


Mon Sep 22 2014 12:10 pm EST

Ola -- I agree that having NAsh become a hitting machine during the regular season is not a priority. If he picks up the pace a bit over last year, makes the hits count and adjusts to tougher game sthat call for more hitting, then that's good enough for me. But, I do hope that his confidence leads to more willingness to get into the dirty areas of the ice....the areas that he avoided last year and from which he will score alot more goals. No reason a guy like Nash can't pick up some garbage goals from in close....but, that won't happen unless he goes to the net more often. He'll also score more on wrist shots if he gets into the slot more and lets Zucc & Brass feed him for one-timers. I know that's not exactly his game, but he should adjust his game to take advantage of the skill of his linemates.

JFC31


Mon Sep 22 2014 11:38 am EST

jkropp...Outside of using Stubhub (not even sure if they handle e-tickets) this site has a Ticket Exchange...http://www.rangerfancentral.com/rfc-ticket-add.php...As a season ticket holder I have used it a number of times and it works well.

RF73


Mon Sep 22 2014 11:15 am EST

Hello, anyone know how to resell e-tickets? I purchased two tickets to Opening Night game vs Toronto and then my wife said she wants to go to so I purchased 3 other tickets and now I need to sell my original two but they are e-tickets and I have no idea what to do. Thanks!

jkropp


Mon Sep 22 2014 10:53 am EST

Count me among the most impatient when it comes to McIlrath, BUT he's only played about 100 games as a pro, and a good chunk of those he's missed time, either being in the box because he fought everyone in the league or was returning from injury and had to take it a bit easy at first. Gord Clark said this. I know the times I saw in Htfd last year he was very solid - and very mean. Also, he's the kind of kid who is so amped up coming to camp, Im not surprised if he got to running around a bit the first few days. Not doubting what Gross saw, but Ill trust the Rangers assessment on McI.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 22 2014 10:14 am EST

11:06AM: Derek Stepan is not on the ice this morning. (Zipay) Both Lundqvist and Talbot will play tonight for the Rangers. (NYR) 9/22/14 | 11:01AM: The group of Rangers who are playing tonight against the Devils are on the ice now at the MSG training center. The likely lines for tonight’s game are (Gross): Carl Hagelin, JT Miller, Ryan Bourque Tanner Glass, Chris Mueller, Jesper Fast Ryan Malone, Matthew Lombardi, Marty St. Louis Chris Kreider, Kevin Hayes, Danny Kristo The defense being used at the morning skate is: Marc Staal and Dan Boyle Michael Kostka and John Moore Steven Kampfer, Matt Hunwick Samuel Noreau and Ryan Mantha are also skating..... Henrik Lundqvist is expected to start with Cam Talbot as his backup.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:44 am EST

Not even considering their talents, Kleins and Moores contracts make them easily movable commodities

Messier11


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:33 am EST

Ahh, let me try this again...I know in Hartford, players avoid the side of the ice McILRATH is on. He likes to hit, and when he does, it's brutal. I've always said his big problem is realizing when to dial it back...and to pick and chose his spots...that not every hit has to be a bone-crusher. I've also watched him get goaded into traveling far out of position at times...and frankly, I'm not so sure how his game would translate to AV's game plan, which seems to be having a very mobile defense. We'll see. Were I to make a guess, I'd say he gets a cup of coffee at some point this season and then next year will be the one when he gets a bona fide chance at full-time minutes. It's a good point, though, that both KLEIN and BOYLE are signed through 2016.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:32 am EST

Somewhat interesting take on the Rangers chances this year: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2014/09/22/new-york-rangers-preview-derick-brassard-dan-boyle-kevin-hayes/15642859/

RF4L


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:23 am EST

RF4L - I think Mack'll be more than just a goon. I know in Hartford, he has a

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 9:21 am EST

Messier11 - I agree. I'm just saying I think it was a factor in that decision. KLEIN is a wholly different player than McILRATH. But I'm not sure they would have gone for someone signed for another three years if they thought Mack was as close as say someone like MILLER.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 8:53 am EST

I think there were other reasons why Klein was acquired. I think their hand was forced a little bit by how few people were interested in MDZ last season. They'd also shopped MDZ with Colorado and Ottawa and didn't like what they'd be getting back. Most importantly, I think they had some idea about what Stralman's demands would be like. Sather is all about acquiring similar players to those coming up on contract to reduce their leverage.

Messier11


Mon Sep 22 2014 8:44 am EST

TD: I hope you're right. The excuse that he's behind due to lost development time because of injuries is now sounding just like that - an excuse. Lots of kids miss chunks of time and progress well nonetheless. If he ends up being nothing more than a goon (which is looking more and more like that might be his high point) what a huge disappointment. I remain hopeful however and if it means waiting another year so be it.

RF4L


Mon Sep 22 2014 7:49 am EST

RF4L - I don't think that's much of a surprise, re: McILRATH. Rangers would have never traded for someone like KLEIN if they thought he was on the cusp. Still, I have a good deal of faith Mac is part of the Rangers' future. He's got the size, toughness and hitting ability they don't have on the team now. Give him one more season and I bet he challenges for a spot next fall. I will say if we're looking at what we got in Mac and where he was drafted...I think it's pretty clear he ain't gonna live up to those expectations.

tdchi


Mon Sep 22 2014 7:41 am EST

“Our real evaluation starts tomorrow,” Alain Vigneault said Sunday in Greenburgh following an intrasquad scrimmage.

stevielegs


Mon Sep 22 2014 7:31 am EST

Bobby Ryan possible concussion

puckyou


Mon Sep 22 2014 7:28 am EST

big mac doesn't fit this...."....Regarding the battle for the spot as seventh defenseman that appears to be between lefty Hunwick and righty Kostka, Vigneault said: “[Side] doesn’t matter. I’m looking for a guy who can help us in our transition game. If I can find a defenseman like that, I’d like him to be our seventh guy.”

stevielegs


Mon Sep 22 2014 6:33 am EST

Gross, in his comments on the Ranger scrimmage yesterday says McI not ready for primetime. It's a camp scrimmage and it's that obvious already??? Wow - not good. At all....

RF4L


Mon Sep 22 2014 6:30 am EST

For me it comes down to this with Rick Nash. He got a couple of years ago where he can keep playing the game he is right now. As we know it can be dominating at times, it can be effective at others while not resulting in pucks finding net. Somehow I think our first priority is to find a role for Nash where production will come as a natrual result of the environment he is in. Nash should still be Nash when it comes to occupying the D of the other team, forcing coaches to match lines against him. But, look at a player like Poo, 75% of his goals came from just doing his job with Zucc and Brass. Skating to the net with the stick on the ice. Nash to a much bigger extent needs to get involved in the typical "pattern" play on the ice. Hence I for example think it might be worth it to try him with Zucc and Brass. Or to let him keep playing with Step and Kreider to see if they can create those patterns. But like I said several times last season, Nash was part of the problem but he wasn't "the" problem with that line leaving like 50-75% of the games in the POs without a point 5 on 5, or whatever (it was a big portion of the games). Nash has somewhat been damaged by playing too much in a goto role in CBJ, he is just too easy for a very good team to shut down. Just about anyone is, nobody can do it by themselves agaisnt the best really. And I would like to see that change not only because he would make him more effective NOW, but also because he just a little less than half of his career infront of him. MIKAEL RENBERG is a player I followed very closely all of his career, he was the big star of my favorite team in Sweden when I grew up, and then established himself in the NHL around the time I started to follow the league closely. He reminds me some of Nash. Renberg never "adjusted" his game, he was very good when he peaked, then went downhill very very fast when his skating and strength started going downhill. We don't want Nash being on par with Dany Heatly of last season when playing the last 2 years of his contract. We are a good team and we seem to have competent coaches. This is one challenge for them.

Ola


Mon Sep 22 2014 6:14 am EST

On Nash, I am not sure how much I want him to "hit". I do think many around this sport has expectations on hitting that are pretty off. Around 270 players in this league make a hit per game on avg. If Nash made 2.2 hits per game during the regular season, that would rank him around just outside the top 30 among forwards. Yakupov told media in Edmonton that he didn't think he should make a hit per SHIFT, and the shit hit the fan extremely bad... What a complete cancer this kid was. If Yakupov made a hit per shift, it would have given him around 1 250 hits which would mean that he made around 400% more hits than the hit leader last season Matt Martin... Another similar event was when JJ told media in NY that sometimes he didn't give 100% during the regular season. Anyone who have seen a PO game in the NHL knows that players de facto don't give 100% during the regular season, if they did the intensity wouldn't be as much higher in the POs as it de facto is, sometimes its like night and day to watch a game in Februrary as opposed to a game in May. But... Do we want Nash to hit as much as he did in the POs? He would rank just along side guys like Cally, Foligno, Cooke, Clifford, Clarkson, Hartnell and co in hitting.

Ola


Mon Sep 22 2014 12:00 am EST

MF..... 23.4 A Player under an SPC who is disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player by reason of an injury sustained during the course of his employment as a hockey Player, including travel with his team or on business requested by his Club, shall be entitled to receive his remaining salary due in accordance with the terms of his SPC for the remaining stated term of his SPC as long as the said disability and inability to perform continue.... That being said, Teams take out insurance policies on players just in case such an injury occurs .....HOSPO... No one wanted Rick Nash to score more than Nash himself. I think he'll have a real chip on his shoulder and want to prove to the NYR that they made the right choice in trading for him. Fingers crossed that he's successful. He just needs to learn to use his teammates more :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 9:49 pm EST

Rhet: Thank you. Just curious, does Pronger still collect his salary? It's only Dolan's money, but would Staal be entitled to collect in the unfortunate event that he suffered a career ending injury? thanks again.

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 9:45 pm EST

RHET - That's what I've been saying on NASH...Late last year showed HIM he could play physical hockey with no ill helath effects...We all know he has talent and skill out the yin yang..Comfortable, confident and skilled he should be..Big, big year

Hospo


Sun Sep 21 2014 9:29 pm EST

MF.... He does, but they can still put him on LTIR when the season starts. Why is he still allowed to still be on LTIR? Because he had to retire due to the injury. BTW, If the same thing happened to Staal, he could retire and it would totally come off our books. Why? Because he is 27 and Pronger was signed a 35 plus contract on his last deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 9:09 pm EST

Anyone, does Pronger's contract count against Philthy's cap?

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 8:07 pm EST

Rick Nash says that he feels “great” after a summer of cardio work because the Rangers asked him to come to training camp in better shape. (NY Post) Nash said that he was in good shape at the start of last season but got hurt, a concussion, and that made the rest of the season tough for him. (NY Post) He said that following his return from the concussion it was “tough” for him to “feel comfortable” playing the more physical side of the game. He said that it wasn’t as much being “careful” as much as not being “comfortable” in certain situations. (NY Post) Nash said that he feels he played more physical in the playoffs and got to the “inside” more.(NY Post) In the regular season, Nash had 11 hits in 65 games. In the playoffs, Nash had 45 hits in 25 games. On this season, Nash says that he is fine with any role the coaches put him in and that he feels good.(NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 7:52 pm EST

Rhet: GREAT point. There is NO way to know how much tram a players head as had. ALSO to add to that not every person shows concussions the same way, so there most likely have been players with brain injuries that have not had the symptoms that lead the team to test for one so none knew, but one more might end their ability to play, and we would say "his first concussion ended his career"

Wildcard


Sun Sep 21 2014 7:48 pm EST

Mess: On Staal, I agree, 6 mil per is fine. Also I would bet he gets a certain number of years, 3 lets say of a full NMC, than after that it would be modified in some way.

Wildcard


Sun Sep 21 2014 7:46 pm EST

If Staal suffers a career ending concussion, he can go on LTIR and/or even retire. If he goes on LTIR, we can exceed the cap by his cap hit. If he retires, it comes off our books entirely. There is very little risk in giving him a long term deal. If we were to avoid every player in the NHL that's had a concussion at one time in their career, IMO, we would be looking at a short list. There are between an estimated 1.6 and 3.8 million sports-related concussions in the United States every year. High school athletes sustain an estimated 136,000 to 300,000 concussions per year. Athletes ages 16 to 19 sustain 29% of all sports-related concussions. The NHL doesn't keep statistics on how many pro hockey careers are ended by concussion or really any other concussion statistics. If they did, I am sure it would be truly eye opening how many players suffer concussions before they even make it to the Pros. Long story short... IMO, Staals as safe a bet as you can get for a guy that's already suffered a concussion.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 7:44 pm EST

pa: better just get rid of every player and forfeit al 82...every player is one hit away from a career ender. Look at Staal, It wasn't confusions that almost ended his carer, it was a puck to the eye...no concussion at all, but it nearly ended everything for him. Any of the players can have their career ended from one hit one time, one ht to the head, one puck, one lost edge into the boards, one skate up high and they may be dead not just out for a career...so the fear of not signing Staal is so silly, guess they shouldn't sign anyone for more than 1 year at a time. CBus will be silly to sign Johanson (or whatever his name is) for any length of time...hell trade him quick, he might get hurt!

Wildcard


Sun Sep 21 2014 7:10 pm EST

I don't know, is 'mush brain' a medical condition?

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 6:32 pm EST

Thanks "Dr." Messier!

pa.rangersfan


Sun Sep 21 2014 5:37 pm EST

made some pretty smart plays all season long, even with that 'mush brain'

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 5:33 pm EST

I am curious as to this; when discussing Staal, why is it that NO-ONE is mentioning the fact that his brain is mush, of course, unfortunately. 5 to 6 mill. a year for that? Being locked into a contract for someone (Nash) with the same "situation" is one thing, but to throw a big contract at a guy who plays in the tough parts of the rink nite in and nite out is a head scratcher for me. Time to move on, just my 2 bits.

pa.rangersfan


Sun Sep 21 2014 4:20 pm EST

AV in mid-season form, evasive as 99 answering questions. Good. Kids all deserve a look. Btw, that C group of about 20 is there for several reasons; convenient for the coaches but important for thr kids too. Evrn if theyre toiling in Greenville or wherever, its important they feel some attention. Theyll all be gone Mon-Tues anyhow.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 21 2014 3:28 pm EST

Didn't know this: Connor Allen and John Moore are both from Chicago.

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:49 pm EST

It was AV's first year and he was experimenting with who he had... Got to think he wanted to know each and every player inside & out before considering they be included in a trade...... gotta run, later...

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:48 pm EST

over that span, if memory serves. The rare time last season that MDZ actually played his natural side

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:45 pm EST

Was Del Zotto playing 2nd pair "Left Side" and JMoore playing 3rd pair Left Side?

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:43 pm EST

In fact, while Staal was down last season, I recall MDZ getting his minutes, not Moore.

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:42 pm EST

s/b: "without signing Staal"

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:41 pm EST

IMO J.Moore is improving, hence getting better... He skates well, aint afraid to throw the body, and heck, he was paired with Del Zotto until the Kevin Klein trade came around... So, is it not fair to take a measurement of JMoores play starting with his new defenseive partner KK ? I think thats fair, like our 3rd pair, and perhaps they're one of the better 3rd pairs in the league.... jmo

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:39 pm EST

I'd be down for a six-year deal for Staal, though I don't think he'll get 6 mill per every year of that hypothetical term. If the cap increases as most predict over the next six, that contract would be fine. I also don't see him getting full NMC/NTC if McD and Girardi at best have modified NTCs. Thats probably what he'd get as well.

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:37 pm EST

In addition, we go into the season with signing Staal & it could be a distraction for him & his performance.. The deeper onto the season this goes the worse for both parties, us & him... The NY Rangers would be damn fools to wait until the trade deadline to move him, (giving his replacement little tiim to acclimate to The NYR's, or go the season and allow him to become an UFA & get zilch in return... So with the pre-season starting tomorrow, NOW seems like a good time to move this to the front burner..... jmwo :-)

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:36 pm EST

is John Moore getting better and better? he was a bubble D most of last season and then emerged as an ok third-pair late in the season and through playoffs. I don't think he's even a lock to hold that spot all season.

Messier11


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:24 pm EST

This has been an ongoing topic which you may be joining in the middle of... I do not want to trade Marc Staal... I also don't think we should offer him $6mill, 6yrs, with a full NMC / NTC.. In all likelihood, we're Cap Strapped next year worse than this year. Granted, we don't know what the Limit will be set at, but see for yourself who needs to be signed & guesstimate the cost... http://capgeek.com/rangers/ ..... Staal's resume' includes a serious concussion & eye injury.. Sans those, he'd be way ahead of where he's at now..... Every $100K, $250K, & $500K, starts to add up in getting that last 1 or 2 guys that could complete the roster into Cup Challengers..... That's the reason I ragged on Hank's deal, and why Nash has a big ole bulls-eye on his back...... Instead, John Moore has to take a pay-cut as he grows & gets better..

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 2:08 pm EST

MF: seriously??! You want to trade another homegrown talent who is one of the top shutdown defenders in the NHL? Really?

schneidw


Sun Sep 21 2014 1:25 pm EST

LeoS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIbp5C-5WXM

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 1:20 pm EST

RF4L: Checking "The Hockey News" to compare Methot vs M.Staal; Methot is 1yr 7months older, 1" shorter, 20 lbs heavier, missing a front tooth, but has 2 goods eyes :-), quote,""Has outstanding size and good defensive acumen. An underrated player, he shows great commitment to playing a sound, stay-at-home game, rarely making mistakes in his own end. Also displays leadership qualities."" ..... IMO we don't want to chance weakening our defensive six, and Methot may for Staal may limit the risk.... Plus, there's no pressure on us to sign Methot during this season.. Also, and I dont know the answer to this, does Methot command the term (yrs) & dollars that M.Staal is going to cost us?? It could be that Methot will sign for less yrs & less dollars if we want to offer him a contract.. "It's a Cap World Afteral"l.. (wasn't that a Disney song?) WHO is Edmonton going to send our way to fill Staals spot? How about Methot & a 2nd rounder for Staal, "IF" we can't ink Staal ?

mf


Sun Sep 21 2014 1:11 pm EST

Just saw that Monday's game against the Devils will be on NHL Network...that oughta finally feed that jones.

LeoS


Sun Sep 21 2014 1:00 pm EST

The Rangers have announced that their training camp group “A” will play tomorrow night against the Devils. Group A won the scrimmage today 6-4. The full group of players is Forwards: Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, JT Miller, Carl Hagelin, Chris Kreider, Danny Kristo, Matthew Lombardi, Ryan Malone, Chris Mueller, Marty St. Louis and Derek Stepan/Andrew Yogan*. Defense: Dan Boyle, Marc Staal, Steven Kampfer, Michael Kostka, Ryan Mantha, Samuel Noreau, Petr Zamorsky Goalies: Henrik Lundqvist, Mackenzie Skapski/Jason Missiaen *Yogan replaced Stepan in the scrimmage today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 12:54 pm EST

Anyone think John Moore is feeling the pressure from Conor Allen? IMO, Ryan Haggerty isn't going away quietly. He's going to make the decision for AV and his staff difficult.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 12:47 pm EST

Per Andrew Gross during the scrimmage..... JMoore gets into it with Marek Hrivik, shoves him to the ice. Hrivik shoves back. Hrivik teammate Kevin Klein comes over, gives JMoore a WTF...... Klein essentially told his defense partner John Moore, c'mon, you don't need to do that.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 21 2014 11:52 am EST

JFC: Thanks for the heads up! The third period of the scrimmage should be starting about 1PM EST....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 21 2014 11:22 am EST

Nash looks fast and fit!!!!!

rangerlou


Sun Sep 21 2014 10:53 am EST

Blue-white scrimmage live streaming right now on Rangers website. Good coverage with an announcer and questions from fans being answered. Single camera but still good.

JFC31


Sun Sep 21 2014 10:05 am EST

For those who don't check email...RFC Fantasy League live draft starts in less than an hour! 12 p.m. EST!

tdchi


Sun Sep 21 2014 9:42 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/20/oilers-pact-isnt-too-slick/

stevielegs


Sun Sep 21 2014 9:31 am EST

Stepan can't step on ....http://bleacherreport.com/tb/df0pk Found via http://ble.ac/teamstream

stevielegs


Sun Sep 21 2014 8:58 am EST

mf: I like your trade proposal but highly doubt the Sens will part with their first rounder after having done so in the Bobby Ryan trade. IMO, a better destination because he's needed there more and therefore, might fetch a better bounty is Edmonton. He'd immediately become their top d-man and if he proves worthy Schultz would slide beside him as the Oilers top pair. No doubt, that's what the Oiler brass would love to see. A first and a top prospect would surely be a reasonable return.

RF4L


Sun Sep 21 2014 6:04 am EST

I really don't get the concept of having 62 guys in camp. 40 guys won't be here opening day ... The length of preseason makes little sense . Way too short and confusing for a team to be ready for the real season.....

stevielegs


Sun Sep 21 2014 5:59 am EST

That's a good sign on Nash . Wonder where he placed last preseason . The other sign says he's officially the whipping post unless and until he gets to 30/30.... He better start driving to the net like he used to when he first came here. Hope he's ready for the boo birds . He better have worked on his mental condition as well.....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 20 2014 8:51 pm EST

AV said Nash best conditioned Ranger, or in top 3 with St Louis. Said Hayes and process in same sentence, said, in answering if hayes was quick enough, he has deceptive speed. Sounded like Hartford to me but camp just started, anything can happen. Seemed to say Miller is figuring it out. Talked about Zuc, said he & Brass logical due to chemistry but he will tinker with all lines, and try to get down to duos last 4 pre-games.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 20 2014 7:54 pm EST

Brooks... Martin St. Louis: Rangers are hungry for Cup... http://nypost.com/2014/09/20/martin-st-louis-rangers-are-hungry-for-cup/ ....Stevie.... I'm with you, tough I think the LA Kings may top my list right now :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 20 2014 4:09 pm EST

Rhet about as much as the fishstinks until they move to Brooklyn ... Pick the team you don't like the most in whatever the name of their division is now....I'm not prejudice, I don't like like them all equally ...

stevielegs


Sat Sep 20 2014 3:54 pm EST

Stevie,,,, The real question is... without Uncle Daddy, do the Devils even matter anymore as a rival?

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 20 2014 3:28 pm EST

Monday it starts again .... Time to kick some debbie butt ... No uncle daddy an era is done....

stevielegs


Sat Sep 20 2014 3:18 pm EST

Some good stuff from AV..... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/vigneault_errrr_whats_montes_real_name_danny_kristo/17324180

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 20 2014 12:29 pm EST

For those of you wondering, Buchnevich's KHL commitment is done after this season. With 2 more goals today, that's 5 goals and 4 assists in 8 games. Go Pavel Go!

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 20 2014 11:57 am EST

#6) A strong Power Play

mf


Sat Sep 20 2014 11:39 am EST

CONNER ALLEN worthy of a NY Post article? No coincidence that the team is in negotiations with Marc Staal. Not saying it's a bad thing, the organization needs to know if contract negotiations are possibly going to get drawn out. We cannot afford to lose him at seasons end for nothing in return, we're certainly not going to trade him at the deadline after last years experience with Calla-who, or with going as deep as we did in the playoffs... Staal's from Ontario, I'd take Mark Methot & Ottawa's 1st for Staal. Methot would slot right into Staals spot for $975K less this year. Whoever is on aour 2nd pairing this year is slated to skate with a new partner anyway you fix it, so there is an adjustment period......... KEVIN HAYES: Sounds to me like we have our very own Bobby Holik during his prime years.... Holik was a tough competitor who put up respectable numbers as a checking center........ RYAN MCDONAUGH, "the 27th captain" wearing number 27... I'll side with TD on this one.... 1927, the NY Yankees were called "Murderers Row." I can see this years Rangers becoming murder to play against with a few positive turns of events.. 1) The defense continues to solidify pair-wise and as a unit of six...2) Ryan Malone regains form 3) we stay relatively free of bad injuries 4) Rick Nash 5) Sound defense from our forwards..... LET'S GO RANGERS !!!

mf


Sat Sep 20 2014 11:08 am EST

Allen showed promise last season but let's hold off on his appointment to Staal's slot. Right now he looks like insurance if Moore understandably bolts

Messier11


Sat Sep 20 2014 11:00 am EST

2 more goals for Buch. Look out Kovalchuk

puckyou


Sat Sep 20 2014 10:59 am EST

http://sbnation.com/e/6419960

puckyou


Sat Sep 20 2014 10:08 am EST

Suspect Allen could be the sleeper here on the backline. He had a solid rookie pro season for Hartford last year and didn't look out of place in a short stint with the Rangers. By no means am I looking to move him, but if contract talks hit a snag, IMO it's almost mandatory that Marc Staal doesn't leave the organization with nothing in return. To give the Rangers leverage in that regard, given their desire for another deep PO run, Staal needs to be replaceable, meaning someone must step up. Could that be Allen? Does he have the ability to step in alongside Dan Boyle? That's probably asking too much, but perhaps playing next to John Moore is possible, with Klein moving into Staal's spot. Again, I'd rather see Staal resigned. He'd fetch a nice return, tho. A first and a top prospect isn't unreasonable to expect.

RF4L


Sat Sep 20 2014 9:41 am EST

Saw the article in the Post mentioned Conor Allen's feistiness vs. Brassard in drills as well as Nash and others. Think he may wind up as 7th D to start season, as AV said he'd do at start of season, with 13 Fwds. Big Mac may be better off getting top minutes in Hartford. I can see Hayes/Miller getting switched back and forth on 3rd line between center and wing. Hayes supposedly had a rough time in Traverse on faceoffs. Anyway, hope some of these guys are playing Monday.

puckyou


Sat Sep 20 2014 9:38 am EST

TD: I'm with you. I would put Nash on the third line with someone like Hags and Miller. He'll score just as much there, IMHO, while opening a spot for someone with better chemistry with others on the top 2 lines.

Ranger47


Sat Sep 20 2014 9:04 am EST

RF4L - Yeah, it's interesting to see it quantified statistically...but in all honest, I can probably count on one hand the number of times NASH has driven to the net hard and gotten a shot off...I think the Rangers are deep enough now that they'd be better off putting him on third line with HAGELIN and maybe MILLER...guys who are going to grind and force turnovers...and drive to the net...Nash doesn't need either of the top-two pivots to get him the puck. It'd be better to have KREIDER, ZUCC, MSL, and someone like MALONE or even HAYES on a line with the passers.

tdchi


Sat Sep 20 2014 9:00 am EST

Hospo/York - I'm one of NASH's biggest detractors here and even I'M hoping he has a breakout season...praying, rather...The Rangers with Nash circa 2008-2009 will be the best team in the east, bar-none. The Rangers with Rick Nash circa 2013-2014 will have highs and lows, but need a good push from lady luck to go deep in the POs..just like last year.... Really, he's the biggest question mark for this team. The Rangers paid dearly to get him here. And if he doesn't produce this year, he ain't ever going to produce as a Ranger.

tdchi


Sat Sep 20 2014 8:53 am EST

Hmm...Rangers about to name their 27th captain....Ryan McDONAGH just happens to be number 27...and just happens to be the guy AV described to reporters...coincidence? I think not.

tdchi


Sat Sep 20 2014 8:45 am EST

Pierre McGuire was on TSN 1050 Monday morning and spoke about prospect size and brought up Kevin Hayes. Pierre said, “there was a player drafted by the Chicago Blackhawks, his name was Kevin Hayes. He is 6-5, legitimately, probably around 215-220 lbs. He just signed with the Rangers, he may be a huge impact player for the Rangers this year. You talk about size, this guy is 6-5, he isn’t 5-10, he is 6-5.” Leslie Treff says that Hayes has a “wicked wrist shot” but needs to get used to playing pro hockey. (Treff) Treff adds that Hayes is “big, powerful” and “should” be a third line center with the Rangers this season. (Treff) Jeff Gorton says that Hayes has “poise” with the puck and Traverse City was a good start for him. (ESPN Insider) One scout told Custance that Hayes “looks like a player.” (ESPN Insider) Hayes says that after his first couple of seasons at BC he was challenged by head coach Jerry York to play like a 6-4 player who protects the puck, uses his legs to drive and “the message go through.” (NHL.com) On Hayes in Traverse City, Ryan Kennedy says that he was “ok,” got beat a lot of faceoffs, made nice moves on the forechecked, forced turnovers but didn’t break out offensively. (The Hockey News)

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 20 2014 7:59 am EST

I don't think there is any question that this team is deeper than last year's team. From the small snap shot looks at Haggerty, Bodie and Hayes, they look like decent signings. There now exist a couple goalie prospects in the system. Will Boyle and MSL hold up physically, and produce? What will they get out of Nash? I am particularly interested to see if Hayes can play center. If he can, it would give the Rangers something they have not had since Walter Tkaczuk.....a big, strong center that can distribute the puck and also score some goals.

Bob


Sat Sep 20 2014 7:39 am EST

BTW, a resurgent Nash is key IMO because this team continues to lack a go-to forward who can be relied on to come thru in the clutch. It's scoring by committee instead, which can and does work, but wouldn't it be nice to have a 50 goal scorer?

RF4L


Sat Sep 20 2014 7:31 am EST

Interesting stats posted by LB in a column about where Nash might fit in the lineup if Malone proves worthy. "Pouliot’s average shot distance on the power play last year was 13.2 feet on 20 shots, according to the website somekindofninja.com. Kreider’s average distance on 19 power play shots was 17.9 feet. Nash, however, had an average distance of 28.7 feet on 46 power-play shots." Statistical evidence of what many of us are saying about Rick Nash: He does NOT like going to the net with the puck.

RF4L


Fri Sep 19 2014 10:57 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/19/vigneault-impressed-with-conor-allens-feistiness/

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 19 2014 10:30 pm EST

CLB- rough week...Johanson negotiations are getting testy and his agent is known to have his client holdout (eg Dubinsky NYR) and I just read Horton is out indefinitely with a bad back...

schneidw


Fri Sep 19 2014 8:46 pm EST

This years team could and should be better than last season's .... Veenyo has his hands firmly on the wheel now .... Shouldn't be much for sather to do. That's a good thing....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 19 2014 7:03 pm EST

TD: PBR sold for $700M......

mf


Fri Sep 19 2014 5:21 pm EST

Please be right. Nash has a breakout year, we win THE CUP, Sather retires, and I get maximum trade value for Nash after the season.. woohoo! :-)

mf


Fri Sep 19 2014 4:27 pm EST

York18 - That's cool, you and me both...Hopefully we're right on Nash this time.......Really, when you look at, the Rangers have a lot of damn good offensive weapons in Nash, Krieder, St. Louis, MZA, Step, Brassard that can all hit it big...Missing a little toughness maybe, but this is a good team

Hospo


Fri Sep 19 2014 4:04 pm EST

I thought the foundation building commenced with the purge of 04, followed by the organization's decision to hang on to its picks and prospects and grow from within, which they've done reasonable well with reasonable success. But what do I know? I'm just a fan, fan mind you, who helps keep NHL players and organizations employed and more than reasonably well paid.

RF4L


Fri Sep 19 2014 3:56 pm EST

Hospo I know but I just have a feeling he breaks out

York18


Fri Sep 19 2014 3:10 pm EST

Nash being a good soldier, says hes got no problem playing LW (the scoresheet said it was a problem last year). Nash says he started out on LW , then switched. Says if he played there 'a few months it would all come back to him". Says right now hes more comfortable on the right. Why oh why are they messing with this guys head, 1st day of camp? Why? To squeeze St Louis into the top 6? Lousy move. These are the kinds of things that make Fbombs fly with me..... but said Id try, so Im reigning it in......reigning it in......buts its friggin idiotic!!! Ive been worried about AV having a sophmore slump of sorts, and theres his first clunker. Stupid.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 3:03 pm EST

WILD - That is indeed true...It is meant for the players...Doesn't matter what I or you might think it means for them or us fans....Inconsequential...only thing that matters is how they play.

Hospo


Fri Sep 19 2014 2:04 pm EST

Cerny: While his players were taking their physicals and medical exams on Thursday, Rangers head coach Alain Vigneault officially kicked off training camp by holding his first press conference of the new season. One of the first questions he was asked was when he planned on naming a new captain. "I would say at the end of training camp," Vigneault answered, emphasizing he does want the new captain in place before the first regular season contest of 2014-15, but is in no rush to name one immediately. "I think that all teams have a core leadership group, and it's not just up to one individual--the captain--to be the leader, it has to be a group effort," explained Vigneault. "I see in our team some real strong possibilities as far as being captain; but I also see that this is a new year and we changed some pieces to the puzzle, so I want to see how it unfolds during training camp." The Rangers have not had a player wearing the C on their sweater since last March the 5th when Ryan Callahan was traded to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Martin St. Louis. Buoyed by a strong leadership group, the Rangers did not miss a beat despite playing without a captain and still reached the 2014 Stanley Cup Final. As for what qualities the head coach would like to see in his next captain--the 27th in franchise history--Vigneault was quick to answer. "The first one that comes to mind is the power to influence," said Vigneault, who is entering his second season as Rangers head coach. "The captain of the team has to have the power to influence players in the right direction by example, by the way he conducts himself. He also obviously has to be able to regroup the troops. He is an extension, along with his assistants of the coaching staff. The core values and the standards we are trying to establish, when we are not in the room, they're the ones that are pushing it, making sure everybody on our team does it the right way." The Rangers will take to the ice for the first time on Friday when three groups of players take part in conditioning testing. On Saturday all three groups will practice separately with the coaching staff; and then on Sunday the first scrimmage of camp will take place.

RF73


Fri Sep 19 2014 1:55 pm EST

Hospo: That would imply that the message is for "us". These things have always been for the players. That is why they get this stuff, and its not given to the fans. Sure they want the fans to know their message, but its to set the tone for the fans.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 19 2014 1:49 pm EST

WILD - You state that like it's a fact..not YOUR interpretation. I read that slogan and what it meas to me is "Have patience with us, we are not really trying to win this year but are laying the ground for future attempts"..Too each their own..Not that it really matters, I usually ignore the words and just worry about on-ice performance.

Hospo


Fri Sep 19 2014 12:27 pm EST

Sure if you take it that way WILD: made me think of Sather tryin to build one for about 12 years!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 12:14 pm EST

Rabid: In fact it makes perfect sense. Camp is when you build the foundation a cup win is built on. Its reminding the team that they will not be back to the SCF just because they made it last year, but that they have to work hard from day one to even have a chance. Quite a good idea actually. There is a reason teams rarely go to the finals back-to-back, I think its because they have forgotten they need to work hard to get there, and they get a little full of themselves.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 19 2014 12:13 pm EST

Finish the job wouldve worked got me.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 11:27 am EST

'Building the Foundation" is this year's slogan? I know Im not supposed to curse but WT_? Makes no _ _ _ _ _ _ sense. Idiotic.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 11:20 am EST

RHET - That's interesting...I could live with it ..a big, although not tough, forward on both lines I honestly have no clue what lines would be best but if that's it..I could see a fast hard chargint third line of HAGS-LOMBARDI-MILLER....and maybe a 4th line of GLASS-MOORE-MALONE which could be very similar to last years success of Dorsett-Moore-Boyle...Hey, anything's possible today!!

Hospo


Fri Sep 19 2014 11:14 am EST

That Brooks article Messier11 posted brings up something I've been saying about NASH all along: Why put him with your talented forwards? It's a waste. The guy is a lone force not predisposed to using his linemates...MSL on the KREIDER-STEPAN line makes so much more sense...Nash on the ZUCC line, IMO, doesn't make much sense. Get Nash on third line and first PP unit. Plug someone who plays nice with others on that Zucc line...interesting too that the WJC gold medal winning line is back together: KREIDER-STEPAN-KRISTO...that line was something else in 2010. Still never for get that game against the Canadians. One of the most exciting WJC games I've watched...made me the proudest too with Kreeds and Step playing such major roles.

tdchi


Fri Sep 19 2014 11:06 am EST

Ranger47.... As the Daily News pointed out, I think it's interesting that Group A features: Chris Kreider, Derek Stepan, Marty St. Louis while Group B has Rick Nash, Derick Brassard and Mats Zuccarello. A possible hint at things to come?

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 19 2014 11:00 am EST

Bob: I agree - vets plus Miller, especially since the camp and preseason is so short, we have so MANY players to look at, and the need to get some reasonably sure gelling of lines to start the season. There's always time to send any vets with "Asham-like" disease down or bring up youngins due to injury. But I still regret not having more time for the kids to show that they're ready to replace the vets.....

Ranger47


Fri Sep 19 2014 11:00 am EST

Brandon Dubinsky held out of training camp for a week in 2009-10 as he was working on a new contract and said that Glen Sather held his equipment “hostage” during that time. (Dispatch via The Score) Dubinsky said that he was using rental skates and skating legs to try and get in shape. (Dispatch via The Score)

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 19 2014 10:46 am EST

Bad news for Spanky Giroux. @NHLFlyers: #Flyers GM Ron Hextall has announced that captain Claude Giroux has a lower-body injury and is being evaluated.

puckyou


Fri Sep 19 2014 10:38 am EST

Bob: AV is far from a vet lover. He uses the best player available. Always has...and that many times means the Vet over a youth.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 19 2014 10:31 am EST

HOSPO---AV is a vet-lover like you, so all the vets make it plus Miller. Miler is the only one at risk of being beaten out by Haggerty or Hayes. Hopefully, another youngster or 2 pushes their way in by the new year. Of the vets, the one I expect the LEAST of but think will be given the most rope is our new #24. He was not a good skater when he was young., before he lost 2 steps. I think the guy is done. We'll see.

Bob


Fri Sep 19 2014 10:25 am EST

C'mon.....Nobody else for the Final Four Forward Prediction Contest (Five if you don't buy Glass)? - Malone, Lombardi, Miller and Stemp it says here..BUT I am really looking forward to how guys like Lindberg, Hayes, Haggerty, Fast and others perform..The org seems to be taking on a good shape and there should be depth all season...And maybe, just maybe, this BUCHENIVICH kid adds that one elite talent..Doesn't always have to be a top -5 pick!!..Hey, pre-season is the time for hope, right?

Hospo


Fri Sep 19 2014 9:57 am EST

1st day line rushes. Meaningless but who knows what AV is looking at; Kreider-Step-Kristo. Malone-Lombardi-MSL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 9:12 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/18/finding-linemates-for-nash-malone-first-order-of-business-for-rangers/

Messier11


Fri Sep 19 2014 9:11 am EST

Malone, stempniak have to pass waivers to go to Hartford - Hayes and Haggerty & co. don't - which makes it harder for them to make the big club

puckyou


Fri Sep 19 2014 9:10 am EST

Awesome that the Rangers are OFFICIALLY on the ice this morning. Still weeks away from games that matter, but it has been too long with out anything going on! Now for all the guessing and trying to read too much into every move made at camp!!

Wildcard


Fri Sep 19 2014 9:06 am EST

Not sure if anyone posted this yesterday: http://nypost.com/2014/09/18/rangers-third-line-center-could-be-just-about-anybody/ “But we’re definitely going to [experiment],” he said. “[Rick] Nash on the right side, Nasher on the left side. Things like that.”

Messier11


Fri Sep 19 2014 8:51 am EST

td: I read on someones blog, or tweet or something, the Dman that the kid beat after he got his rebound was Fraser (I think it was fraser) who at one time played in the NHL. Not a top pair guy, more like a 5/6/7 type guy, but a guy with NHL experience non the less, not just some scrub the KHL is using to dil roster spots who wouldn't even make an AHL team. Thats a VERY good thing to see from a young player like that.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 19 2014 8:34 am EST

Just watched the BUCHNEVICH goal(http://video.khl.ru/quotes/238109)...man...either that's against some weak-ass competition or this kid has some serious moves. The second move he makes after getting his own rebound is a thing of beauty.

tdchi


Fri Sep 19 2014 8:34 am EST

Sure can change once year begins RF. Right now, with how the GM & JD are squawking, no question who's feelin' the heat. Its the stuck pig that squeals.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 8:27 am EST

In looking at the three Teams the players have been split into at the start of camp it looks pretty clear where the organization sees some of these guys. Basically, if you aren't a Junior level player and you are in Team C it doesn't look like this organization sees much of a future for you..........Team C: Nathan Burns, Brandon Halverson, Keegan Iverson, Michael Kantor, Nickolas Latta, Paxton Leroux, Troy Donnay, Chris McCarthy, Jason Missiaen, Richard Nejezchleb, Logan Nelson, Josh Nicholls, Ryan Potulny, Michael St. Croix, Adam Tambellini, Dallas Valentine, Daniel Walcott, Andrew Yogan

Vic


Fri Sep 19 2014 8:02 am EST

RR: Assuming the holdout lasts thru the start of the season, the side feeling the pressure will depend on how the BJs season opens up. If they're winning, the pressure will be on Johnansen. If they struggle, it'll be on the team. In the tight PO races that exist today, a season can truly be lost in the first 2 months. In addition, after reawakening a slumbering fan-base, the last thing the BJs need is lousy start. I suspect that's part of what the agent is banking on - for sure his client will get more $$ in the end if his absence is truly felt.

RF4L


Fri Sep 19 2014 7:35 am EST

My guess is Johanson is supremely confident the player he was last year is who he is period, unless he gets better, and he doesnt want to wait to get paid like a 30-goal guy. Its roughhouse tactics from his agent but the timing Id have to say is right, if you dont mind ruffling feathers.CBJs are in a bind.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 7:31 am EST

JCF: That's the history of his agent, however. That dude has been pissing off managers and organizations for years. I suspect the 'new' offer from the Johansen camp was for essentially the same money he's seeking on a longer term deal. I know Davidson indicated recently the parties were an incredible $3,000,000 a year apart.

RF4L


Fri Sep 19 2014 7:26 am EST

Maybe all this craziness involving Johanson and CBJ is about the kid just not liking Columbus....I mean, the city of Columbus. What city is he from? Maybe he's a metropolitan type of guy who wants/needs big city lights, media spotlight, hustle and bustle. Who knows? Seems that something else is going on here for there to be this type of craziness involving such a young player. Something is just not right for the kid to let his agent piss off management like this.

JFC31


Fri Sep 19 2014 7:26 am EST

Buchnevich does indeed look like a bluechipper more and more. If he keeps that pace up and then shines in the upcoming WJC (I wonder if he'll wear an A for the Russian squad), he'll garner a ton of media attention.

RF4L


Fri Sep 19 2014 7:24 am EST

IMO, it's a no-brainer whether or not Malone makes the team IF he is able to rediscover his game. Why? Because, as we've said on here previously, he brings to the team something they don't currently have, desperately need and have been seeking for years now. That said, rediscovering his game is indeed a big IF. Given the team's depth, both in veteran players and burgeoning youngsters, it makes zero sense to keep him around if he's lagging behind. In other words, it's all up to him.

RF4L


Fri Sep 19 2014 6:38 am EST

Hagelin, translated from one of the euro papers, called Lindberg an 'incredibly good two-way center.'

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 19 2014 4:40 am EST

Buchnevich has been red-hot during the start of the KHL. John Rosasco is tweeting a lot of easy to access video clips of his play, @JRNYR. Buch got 7 pts in 7 games to start the year. The KHL is a good league, Buch is in an awsome scoring role on a decent team for his team that is kind of so-so. With the expansion of the KHL the last years, the level of play in the league has dropped some, but its still a good year.

Ola


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:48 pm EST

Camel fleas ha. I always liked Carnac's one, lets apply it to a good villian like Therien; May a group of wild chiropractors gang-crack his wife's back! I dont believe if it was on network in the 70's it can be a TOS violation!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:46 pm EST

Moof go scratch

stevielegs


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:35 pm EST

May the fleas of a thousand Camels infest the Flyers, Penguins & Bruins! How's that for cursin? Let's keep it light & have fun....

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:30 pm EST

Sure Rhet. If the arrangement of certain letters bugs you so much Ill try to remember. I happen to like a well-placed curse. And I think hockey and foul language go together very well. But I mean no disrespect, thats silly. I will try though.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:25 pm EST

Pilot boy. Guess we're finally safe. I was wondering......and worrying..... And Im gonna guess Nash knows that very thing Nick. Everybody knows, and I bet hes had some sleepless nights. Hes a proud guy, I bet its killing him, and he'll see that open cage till he dies. I know people wanna call him a choke artist(and coveniently forget he had frickin brain injuries, PLURAL) but that guy can score sick goals any number of ways. He gets rolling he wont stop in the POs imwo.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:25 pm EST

Rabid... Per the TOS for this site...."The use of profanity is strictly prohibited. Be respectful, show some class and debate intelligently." You use profanity constantly. More than any other 10 posters combined. This despite the fact that some of your fellow posters have asked you to stop. What that says about you is that you have no respect for your fellow posters or this site. I don't claim to be perfect(far from it), but I do try to follow the rules as much as possible. I don't always succeed, but I do try. All I ask is that you do the same.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:16 pm EST

NICK - Love that you are in regular season form! But hey, first things first, give me a highly productive and entertaining regular season, then we can work on the POs..! And here I thought you would be spraying sunshine because Pilot Boy isn't trying out! :)

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:05 pm EST

The Nasher can bag 60 for all I care. Not that he will; 60 points maybe. But his season will start in April, and until he does something when it matters, it's a yawner. Two freaking pops against LA and we might have won that damn thing.

Nick


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:02 pm EST

Crosby & Malkin to miss some preseason time.. A few unfortunate turns of events for Pitt and they'll be lucky to limp into the playoffs... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=730871

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:55 pm EST

Btw, Johanson ( however many h's and fucking s' s, ) now only wants short term. Cbjs rejected his two yr proposal per Dreger.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:46 pm EST

If Malone plays well, and I expect he will, IMO he's Top 6, he & Kreider are are two top LWs. It's Marty St Louis in that scenario who gets backed up to 3rd line, Top 9 status. That also puts to rest this RIDICULOUS notion, and AV said it today, about trying Nash at LW, where he isnt effective! Fuck that noise. To accommodate MSL?? Not in my book off what we saw last year. Bless his heart and I hope he proves me wrong, but Marty looked like a shot fighter, legs near gone & hands starting to go too.he had a long year, lets see how fresh he is. Hes another one that has smarts & character (newsflash, duh), but I wouldnt reareange the fuckin line up for him. We need Malones musclevhigh in yhe lineup, and Nash is suposed to be the man offensively, , till he proves conclusively he cant be.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:40 pm EST

Profesa - If MALONE has his head on straight, no reason he won't take one of the two top 12 wing spots that are available.. Personally, Ithink HAGs and GLASS/MOORE already have spots. So, if he's wing on the third line of 4th line he could fit in and help the Rangers. At the worst, the Black Ac forward..No matter how you cut it, the Rangers will have a talented forward riding the pine..or maybe even Glass a night or two..:).JMWO

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:25 pm EST

Barring an injury in camp, I really can't seem to find a spot for Ryan Malone unless it's gonna be on the 4th line, which IMO is not the right fit for him. I like the guy, but I just don't see him taking place of Hags or Stempniak for that role.

professa


Thu Sep 18 2014 8:13 pm EST

possible dupe post from 2 days ago: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2166268-pavel-buchnevich-showing-signs-of-becoming-rangers-next-top-offensive-prospect

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 7:45 pm EST

Very well put TD. I always remember Berenson said exactly this player was coming. And I really think hes still growing, because hes so smart. His hands? Meh.... but hes involved enough he should get his 16-18 maybe. But its the PO goals and the threat thats HUGE.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 7:24 pm EST

HAGELIN is the type of player any NHL team wants. He's among the fastest..maybe even THE fastest guy in the league...he forechecks with impunity and thus forces turnovers. Even though he doesn't have a big frame, he's strong on his skates..very strong...and has no problem going in for the hit...he's proven durable, again, despite his size, and on top of it all, is good for 35-plus points again...can skate him on the PK and he's always a threat for a short-hander...his speed is enough that he simply catches goalies off-guard...He's got NOTHING to prove for the Rangers...consummate team player...guy you can skate on any of the three lines with any assortment of talent on his flank...and if you know him from his NCAA days, he's also a leader...one of the hardest working guys out there...his story is incredible...overlooked in Sweden. Ignored by juniors...took a chance, came to UMichigan over the summer to meet with the coach and landed himself a spot on the team...then he worked...and worked hard. Every day. Ended up being captain. Even then, few were saying he'd ever make an appearance in the show. Came to NY, got demoted. Busted ass to get the call-up and has never looked back since. You keep a player like that for his skill and his character. They're more valuable than anything you'd get back in a trade.

tdchi


Thu Sep 18 2014 7:09 pm EST

Hospo - Pretty sure the KHL is done in late March. We had a month of RADULOV that year he came over to the Preds late season and then limped the hell home. I doubt we see BUCHNEVICH until next fall, but you never know...the team he's on looks pretty goddamn craptacular, which makes his leap out of the gate even more impressive...He looked good in the World Juniors as an 18-year-old last winter and I suspect he gets the call again for Team Russia this year...could be something special in the making. If I were the Rangers, I'd send a mobile defibrillator unit over to Cherepovets.

tdchi


Thu Sep 18 2014 7:07 pm EST

HOSPO..... I think the KHL regular season ends on(or around) March 8th. Buchnevich will not be eligible for the AHL postseason, but he will be eligible for the NHL playoffs, It doesn't matter when we sign him because he's already Ranger property.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:59 pm EST

RR- It would be nice if you could drop the Richards slams already. I get it, you think he stinks and that his teammates are thrilled he's finally gone. IF you held Nash to the same standards you hold Richards to, I'd respect what you thought a little more. I tried to write a response a month ago when you said, "I don't want to comment on Richards anymore" but my post went to nowhere and I don't want to get back into it. I don't get angry on the wall very often, and I've ignored racist crap, political crap and ridiculously inappropriate language. But I can't take the Richards comments. I just can't. It was bad enough when he was a Ranger, but I thought I'd finally be able to come on here and just talk hockey. You can continue believing what you want but I'm asking you to drop the Richards commentary until it becomes relevant again, like when we play Chicago. I wish I didn't know the guy, but I do.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:58 pm EST

Hospo/rhet- he looks bigger than when I saw him last year. He may be at the top of the prospect list by next season. Wouldn't it be awesome if he turned into a Bure/kova type

puckyou


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:41 pm EST

RHET - Damn straight, and why I asked when the KHL season ends!

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:55 pm EST

WOW.... Pavel Buchnevich is really lighting it up in the young KHL season. 7 points in 7 (3 goals and 4 assists). He scored twice the other night and had two huge assists last night. Okay, Kovalchuk is a bit ahead of him with 11 points, but it's still pretty exciting for the young NYR prospect.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:39 pm EST

MF - Yep..gonna be interesting..you get speed from guys like Lombardi and stemp...Miller has a little speed too and can provide some physicality/size with Malone...Guys like Fast, Lindberg,Hayes, hags II, Mueller and other are kinda i between...I still say the FINAL FOUR (Glass and Moore are locks IMWO) will be Lombardi,Stemp, Malone and Miller.

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:24 pm EST

HAGS / LOMBARDI / STEMPNIAK, or JT MILLER or FAST and you've got a line with plenty of wheels.. Too many line combos for now.....

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:24 pm EST

Yeah, I see what you did there Hospo!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:17 pm EST

RABID - Yep, Hags really stood forward in the POs...I'm think Lombardi at C will be the only one to keep up with him..:)

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:16 pm EST

Question - When does the KHL season usually end? Do the POs run at the same time as in the NHL? Becasue that Pavel Buchenevich sure looks like he's an offensive dynamo over there..

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:12 pm EST

Pretty sure we saw Hags mature before our eyes in POs MF. He was always smart, but think hes starting to feel it offensively. He gets a ton of chances, he should produce more this year. Last year he had Richards. Nuff said.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 5:09 pm EST

YORK - You just had to one up my 40, eh? :) last time you and I did that was in the POs when we called for a big series from NASH and he crapped the bed,...But, Nah, I feel a big year coming with or without Malone..

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 4:49 pm EST

re Hagelin: just expecting a bit more production from the guy regular season.. He just turned 26, entering his 4th NHL season, is he going to peak at 41 points, a .5 ppg avg.? After last years experience, most of the squad knows they have to play better from the onset through tp the playoffs to win it all, & In addition, he's playing for his next contract. So, yup, I do expect more from this guy, specifically burying the biscuit on his breakaways, and more assists as a result of the odd man rushes he may create as a result of his speed.. Let's Go Hagelin! :-)

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 4:43 pm EST

I'm not a Nash fan which is no secret but I'd be shocked if he didn't have a strong regular season netting between 35-50. Yes I did say 50. I think that if Malone returns to form and msl ready to play this team is very deep all of a sudden and makes it very difficult to just matchup with Nash. I think Kreider will emerge as well which will make more room for Nash. I also think the Pp will be better which will also help his numbers. Though the Pp wasn't that bad last season top ten for 3/4 of the season fell off the last quarter badle though.

York18


Thu Sep 18 2014 4:09 pm EST

@tdchi i emailed you a couple days ago about joining the Yahoo RFC Fantasy League. i haven't played since the 2009 season but figured i'd try making a go at it again. let me know if you have any spots available, thanks! trueblue3530@yahoo.com

TrueBlue10


Thu Sep 18 2014 3:36 pm EST

News of the day from the little Ive seen Iis JT & Hayes getting their looks at cdnter per AV. A pessimist might say thats the coach's way of dealing with it early and getting it out of way. But its not fair to the kids thinkin' like that. So I hope theyre both terrors.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 3:22 pm EST

FLYERS season starts off with a bang as KIMMO TIMONEN is out for many months with blood clots,.Was very solid for them last year

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 3:17 pm EST

Bob: I'm right there with ya on the no Bobby Ryan bus dude. Dunno what Ottawa was thinking when they coughed up what they did to get him last summer - a legitimate prospect, a first rounder (which became 11th overall) and Silverberg who still could blossom into a top 6 winger. Dumb.

RF4L


Thu Sep 18 2014 3:17 pm EST

Man, NASH is getting killed around here! Not that he doesn't deserve it....I'm betting he leads the Rangers in goals next year with something like 30-40...The offensive skill/finishing will be back and not getting hurt while playing physical in last year's PO will take the concussion worry away.Gonna break out Big time...Him and Kid K...

Hospo


Thu Sep 18 2014 2:43 pm EST

MF- Not sure what you want Hagelin to prove this year... the past 2 playoffs he has proved to me at least that he is better than Nash...when I look at the lines, I think Nash is either a 2nd or 3rd liner at best...

schneidw


Thu Sep 18 2014 11:48 am EST

RABID--Bobby Ryan would get killed on this board if he became a Ranger. He is another big, fast guy that plays on the perimeter and disappears for games at a time. He is immensely talented....great size, wheels and hands but stays away from the tough areas and does not often have the fire burning in his guy. A right-handed Rick Nash. No thanks.

Bob


Thu Sep 18 2014 11:44 am EST

OLA---here is the thing............Selanne is VERY competitive. Most guys who end up legends in any sport are. The guy lit it up 2 years ago in the first 1/3 of the season playing on the 1st and 2nd line, and for some unknown reason ended up on the 3rd/4th line for the second half. This nearly caused him to go to, of all people, the Kings before last season. Winnipeg put a huge offer in front of him, but his family did not want to live there. So he stayed and spent most of his time watching and being scratched this season. The Olympics opened eyes here when he ruled playing first line minutes there. He is a treasure in the Orange County, CA community and Boudreau was in a no-win situation but Teemu had more to give that he elected to supress, probably looking to develop players for the future. It was really hard to watch. It was hard on his family too. My issue with Boudreau is this.......he gets teams into 7th games and then they appear completely unprepared and get blown out. I was at the Caps-Penguins game 7 in Washington a few years ago when Pittsburgh blew them away. The last 2 years here with the Ducks....same thing. He totally screwed up to goaltending here by bailing on Hiller like he did Teemu. I don't know if the guy is capable of leading a team to the finals.

Bob


Thu Sep 18 2014 11:32 am EST

AV starting the season with 7-D, 13 fwds

puckyou


Thu Sep 18 2014 11:28 am EST

AV not naming a captain until just before first game. Also said today he wants to see Miller, Hayes at center first

puckyou


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:30 am EST

RR: Indeed, as you so eloquently described, every move we make now is crucial. The engine has been built and now we're fine tuning.. A signing of the magnitude of a Bobby Ryan type must work, its a high risk and under the spot light... HAGGERTY as you mention, may be the perfect RHS LW for the power play, hopefully ditto for STEMPNIAK.... OAN; IMO Hagelin has a lot to prove this year in defining his future.... LET'S GO RANGERS !!!

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:19 am EST

Bob- Good post. Its funny, but its after situations like this you realize the point in having a "concervative" coach. Like, Selanne wasn't very good for Anaheim. Their goalie situation without the kid was also somewhat shaky. If BB does -- not -- make those moves, I can guarantee that you have a bunch of people blaming him for playing Selanne despite the fact that he was done AND for not playing the young and up coming goalie.

Ola


Thu Sep 18 2014 10:13 am EST

Off NYR topic, but check this out. I witnessed this from the Selanne perspective, as my kid and his ids play on the same team out here. To me, there is no wonder why Boudreau can never win the big games. This year, not only did he humiliate Teemu but he totally effed up the goalie situation leading to them choking in Game 7 against the Kings.......Greg Wyshynski ‏@wyshynski 40m New Puck Daddy: Teemu Selanne demolishes Ducks coach Bruce Boudreau in book http://yhoo.it/1uKJCTC

Bob


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:54 am EST

JD is PISSED...http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blue-jackets-president-john-davidson-turns-both-barrels-on-johansens-agent/

puckyou


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:22 am EST

Ha MF. its just, there are so many question marks right now. If even half of them come out like we meant them to, there might not even be a need for Ryan. And we'll be pretty darn good if that happens too. Speaking of which, say we want a right PP shot. Well, if a Haggerty pans out your saving about $50m bucks and aren't locked into anything. Just think its prudent to wait right now.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:17 am EST

Doesn't mean he would not score here.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 9:15 am EST

Pesky Rabbit.... :-)

mf


Thu Sep 18 2014 8:57 am EST

As much as a RHS LW would be icing on the cake for this roster, especially on the PP, I'm not 100% Bobby Ryan is that guy. Nor do I think Sather's thinking that right now. I think evaluations are foremost in their mind, and should be. Can't stand Brian Burke, but what he said in those leaked conversations about Ryan/Team Canada I agree with. Ryan is a sleeper out there. Doesn't mean he would score here, doesn't mean he wouldn't fit. But this next big move, if & whatever it is, has to be on the money. You bring in a guy like Ryan and it doesn't work for whatever reason, he's here, presumably long term and for big bucks. Then trying to move him to a 4th team becomes problematic, you take a haircut. Lame analogy but the race is starting, no time to be putting the wrong parts in the car. Sorry MF LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 18 2014 8:08 am EST

Any interest in Ryan Ellis of the Predators? Apparently, contract talks are not gong well between his agent and the Predators. I guess given Dan Boyle's presence, there wouldn't be a lot of interest on the Rangers part - they are essentially the same sort of player, except, obviously, Boyle has an extended resume that easily overwhelms Ellis's.

RF4L


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:29 am EST

Pacioretty should be mentioned too. Nash was EASILY better than MaxPac in our series against them. They scored at about the same rate, but Nash had much more of an impact on the actual games. He caused MTL to match lines against him, and he created more chances and was better defensively. Nobody who saw that series can argue that MaxPac was better than Nash. Right? BUT, imagine however that we had not played MTL so that everyone could see this, I would bet that a lot of people would argue that MaxPac could have done a better job for us than Nash. Afterall, MaxPac scored 39 goals and 60 pts for MTL in the regular season (on a top PP unit yada yada yada).

Ola


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:23 am EST

Thomas Vanek, Bobby Ryan, Jeff Carter, Dave Clarkson, James Neal and co, all these guys can score in the right environment -- but so often so many assume these guys could score a ton of goals for just about any team in any environment. I am not trying to take away anything from these guys, but I would seriously question any expectations that we could take these guys and plug them into a unit that isn't scoring (Say next to Kreider- Step-X-Staal-Strålman) and expect them to play the toughest match-ups in the POs and score like 0.4-0.5 goals a game. I mean, "WHY" should we expect that? Do we never learn? Just look at MSLs scoring rate when coming from Tampa to NY. The Art Ross winner two seasons ago last season scored 1 goal and 7 assists for us in 19 games. He scored 15 pts in 25 games in the POs. Before that MSL had like 10+ PPG seasons... But BOBBY RYAN, he would easily score a ton of pts for us, right? The grass is always greener and we should never doubt that a player who has done well in an established scoring role for another team should be able to perform at the same level for us, right?

Ola


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:17 am EST

Very suprised to see people picking Bobby Ryan over Rick Nash. Like taking Coburn over Weber or someone like that from my point of view...

Ola


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:14 am EST

tdchi- I would very much like to question if Ryan would do better than Nash in the POs, from my point of view Ryan has the same flaws as Nash -- but -- they are worse. I would easily pick Nash and I would also be very comfortable that I picked the right guy. Ryan has 15 pts in 26 PO games for Anaheim, but that is ALSO while playing on a very functioning top PP unit in Anaheim with Getzlaf and Perry on it too, and Teemu, and Vishnovsky/Niedermayer and co. Its like with Gaborik. I liked Gabby, but when it mattered the most for us Gabby did not only have problems putting pts on the board, he disappeared completely. He ment no matching problems for the other team, he had very subpar possession numbers. Nash has not scored, but he has definitely occupied the defense of the other team AND had the best possession numbers on the team while doing it. I mean, put Vanek in Gabby's role in LA and Vanek could potentially score a lot too. And Vanek was NOWHERE to be seen for MTL against us. I very much think Bobby Ryan would be a Vanek type of performer had we had him instead of Nash. Ryan has a few abilities, but he is not a very good hockey player overall.

Ola


Thu Sep 18 2014 6:07 am EST

RF4L- Agreed, and ROR was older than Johansen, right? Johansen is real young and is coming of a ELC without any rights. IF he signs a 2 year bridge-deal now, he can follow that up with two 1-year arbitration awards and get to UFA-status after 4 years. So a 2 year deal is the absolute worst scenario for CBJ because then they loose any controll of him, and is bound to pay him a ton of money in Y3 and Y4.

Ola


Wed Sep 17 2014 10:32 pm EST

LAWSUIT: 3 IN 10 FORMER NHLERS HAVE OR WILL HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE..........http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=462018

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 10:06 pm EST

Per Carpiniello..... The.NYR will not be wearing player tracking jerseys.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 10:00 pm EST

TD..... The only reason O'Reilly is making as much money as he does right now is that he was signed to an offer sheet. I'm sure Johansen and his agent will now try to entice a team to give them an offer sheet as well.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:47 pm EST

MF... That's funny:) Ottawa is the type of franchise that you send them money, it's not usually the other way around. Anyway, it's a long season, it will be interesting to see what new players will become available during it. Bobby Ryan isn't the end all/be all to hockey.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:15 pm EST

schneidw/mf - I'd take RYAN in the playoffs over NASH any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He's got twice as many goals in the POs...Just a more complete player too, IMO...though the trend on both has most certainly been on the down side...

tdchi


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:11 pm EST

Also on RYAN...was on twitter today that the Sens never offered him that and of course, he never rejected it.

tdchi


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:09 pm EST

Rhet, grab a pillow.. There's no 3 way trade here and if we give Ottawa enough talent (players) they'll eat some salary for 1 stinkin season.. They have $14.116 million in cap space... This could get done if Ranger Brass and AV want him........ BOBBY!

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:09 pm EST

mf - the difference here is Ryan JOHANSEN is worth every penny of the money he's asking...in short, he's worth $7 million now...he knows it...his agent knows it...the Jackets and JD --especially given his stupid comments --certainly know it...they're not going to trade him...they're not going to let him hold out...doing so would be shooting themselves in the foot...O'REILLY is a good player, but he's essentially STEPAN. Maybe a little better RyJo is in a different league than both. Not his fault the Jackets burned two years of his entry level contract while he was still developing...Now they have to pay and it pisses them off...No reason for them to hold out on him. And hell, if you really have doubts about how good the kid is going to be, then give him a one-year deal at 7 million.

tdchi


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:06 pm EST

RF:Fully agree, we don't need any me first guys on this team, nor do we need a guy chasing the nightlife.. Those are responsibilities for management to vet... However, if "BOBBY" (said in JR Ewing's voice :-)) can put up 50 points for the Senators in 70 games, he may be able to put up 50 -60 with us..OAN, we have 2 RHS forwards on this team, Stepan & Stempniak, wouldn't it be better if we had at least 1 RHS on each of the top three lines ???

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:59 pm EST

MF... Please stop, you're hurting my head. Ottawa is not going to eat any money just so we can have Ryan . We're also not going to be involved in a 2-way or 3-way deal to make it happen. If we decide to move on from Nash after the current season it will probably be for a player that performs better in the postseason than Ryan does. That was his knock in Anaheim.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:58 pm EST

IMO, if Staal signs for what Girardi got (or close) it's a no brainer. Dan the Man is good, but Staal is better (when healthy). I strongly believe Staal should be traded if contract talks go nowhere, but if/when he's gone, he's gonna be missed more than many seem to believe. IMO it's not a coincidence the Rangers went to the cup finals and Staal was healthy and contributing. Was he the main reason? Of course not, but he solidified the 2nd line d-pairing. That's huge and goes, at times, under appreciated.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:54 pm EST

mf: The story now on Ryan is that he didn't turn that deal down nor was it offered. What the Sens did do is initiate contract talks but Ryan's camp deferred, saying they wanted to see how the season unfolded. I interpret that as Ryan looking at the Senator lineup and thinking it's rather sparse so why sign a long term deal when UFA is 1 summer away. FWIW, I say stay the heck away from this dude - he's a me-first guy and I've seen far too many of those guys donning Ranger jerseys over the past 15+ years. He's talented but not THAT talented.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:53 pm EST

Check those figures, we could easily free up $3,400,000 so Ottawa would then need to eat $1.7mill for one year.....

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:47 pm EST

Bobby Ryan: So he turned down a 7 yr $49 million deal.. Hmm, hmm, could "mf" be right for once when he said Bobby might not want to devote his prime years to a team rebuilding ?? Nah... I wouldn't be surprised if he would sign with a contender for less money to have a shot at playoff appearances & The Cup..... I'd offer him 6 years $6.25-$6.75 per if he'd be willing to extend his contract in a trade with Ottawa.. I don't think Johansen is going anywhere, but I've believed for a while that Bobby Ryan was/is.. We've got the depth to offer The Senators some good players, what we don't have is the Cap Dollars... If Staals camp doesn't come around, and I'm not purporting to "want" to trade him, including Staal in the trade and having Methot coming our way (he's a LHS, 29 y/o, big boy, with 1 year remaining at $3mill) free's up $975K .... We have $$1,537,000 in cap space sending Kostka, Hunwik, Mueller, Fast down, and bringing in JTMILLER & MALONE.. Sending at least one roster guy to the Senators brings our Cap Space to $2.5 mill so the max Ottawa would have to eat this season is $2.5mill.... This could be done, we have plenty of redundant youth, it's up to the organization to figure out who we need to keep... Next y7ears Cap Dance is going to be interesting..

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:45 pm EST

Schneidw.... I think you have it a bit backwards. MF thinks it's too much money for Staal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:42 pm EST

MF... I think what pissed JD and the BJ brass off was that his agent demanded $7 mil per and refused to budge. From what I read, the Jackets were willing to go to 2-years $8 mIl but there was no room to negotiate with him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:39 pm EST

MF: I agree w you.. M Staal returned to form, played a full season and was IMHO the best NYR player in the playoffs.. total shutdown defender...he was incredible.. He needs to add more offense to his game.. 6 years at $36M is a good deal for both sides...He will get way more from Philly this summer.. trust me

schneidw


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:37 pm EST

Rick Nash... Just when I think I cant get any madder about the Rick Nash Trade... I see a picture of Brandon Dubinksy's smoking hot wife... granddaughter of Al Maguire and starter on the U of VA basketball team herself... GOOGLE Brenna McGuire

schneidw


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:29 pm EST

mf: You cannot really compare O'Reilly and Johansen because the former was spiralling into the same battle the latter is now involved in when the Calgary Flames stepped in and gave him a massive offer sheet. That situation was and still is an anomaly and why in all the articles being written on the impasse, the O'Reilly episode isn't being cited.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:29 pm EST

Bobby Ryan 10 goals in 26 playoff games (0.38 GPG) and Rick Nash 5 goals in 41 playoff games (0.11 GPG)... OUCH!

schneidw


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:23 pm EST

Bobby Ryan: He is know to be difficult and likes to the nightlife from what I have read.. if so, I figure he is looking to move to a bigger City in the USA... not sure who has the cap room but he will get the big contract because UFAs in their prime don't happen to be available very often...

schneidw


Wed Sep 17 2014 7:58 pm EST

Rhet: I was unaware of the six & eight year figures / terms.. IMO the two year deal is no great shakes. CBJ has just shy of $14.125 mill in Cap Room, and they're too good to get that high a draft pick again unless in trade.. At the end of the day, it's a lot of money in a dangerous profession, bet Johansen & Co. come around & sign something from 4-8 years between $5-$6 mill per... There's greed & then there's stupidity.....

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 7:44 pm EST

MF.... John Davidson says that the team has offered Johansen a two-year deal worth $6 million ($3 million AAV). After initially not wanting to go long-term, the team then offered six years, $32 million ($5.33 million AAV) and even went so far as to offer an eight-year deal, the maximum length allowed by the CBA, worth $46 million ($5.75 million AAV).

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 7:34 pm EST

This Ryan Johansen news reminds me of the Ryan O'Reilly situation in Colorado. Just checked, O'Reilly has played 5 seasons and has put up impressive numbers and is only 1.5 yrs older than Johansen.. O'Reilly just signed a two yr $6 million deal. It's a tough spot for the CBJ's to be in, but when you pick 4th overall and have an obvious talent, I think you got to lock him up (sign him) for a while... jmo naturally

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 7:02 pm EST

RHET - I have no worries about Girardi whatsoever..That is, until he get's worn and beat down next POs...:)

Hospo


Wed Sep 17 2014 6:22 pm EST

NBC Sports.... A mess gets messier: Ryan Johansen and his agent have left Columbus as talks with the Jackets continue to worsen. http://tw.nbcsports.com/3lg ....HOSPO.... Let's just hope that Girardi's implosion in last years playoff's is just an aberration.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 5:04 pm EST

Per Kukla's Korner ..... Florida Panthers Owners End Speculation They May Be Moving: An Open Letter To Their Fans... As we close in on the... http://dlvr.it/6xH9S2

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 4:55 pm EST

RHET - I kinda agree on Staal...healthy, a better player than Girardi..and younger..If it's old injuries that rear their ugly, ahem, head it will be sooner rather than later and we're screwed either away except for possibly getting out with a LTIR

Hospo


Wed Sep 17 2014 4:49 pm EST

Injuries or no, I'd still rather give Staal that contract before Girardi. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 4:41 pm EST

"IF," but he was injured, hence the lower value. Let brother Eric compensate him half the discount for one of the two injuries.. 6 years at $5.5 per is a lot of money.

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 4:34 pm EST

MF.... Girardi just signed a 6 year deal worth $5.5 Mil per with a NMC and a modified NTC. Staal also made a little bit more than Girardi the last contracts the two signed. If not for Staal's injuries the past few seasons , it would be a huge bargain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 3:57 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-bruins-face-excruciating-johnny-boychuk-trade-decision/

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 3:47 pm EST

and Staal wants 6 years @ $6 mill with an NMC/NTC ?????

mf


Wed Sep 17 2014 3:15 pm EST

Rabid, I think that was a typo because I feel fine. I'm not sick

KIS


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:55 pm EST

Martin St Louis ..... Excited for my first training camp with @NYRangers thx @PrentissHockey for another great summer of training. 39 is the new 32!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:42 pm EST

Per Bob McKenzie ..... As OTT GM Bryan Murray said in tsn.ca interview, Ryan wants to wait to see how season unfolds for him and team before negotiating numbers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:38 pm EST

Dallas Valentine? Bobby's grandson?

Bob


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:35 pm EST

Dallas Valentine? Sounds like an old Mets manager.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:31 pm EST

The NYR roster breakdown for Training Camp is as follows: Forwards (37): Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Derick Brassard, Nathan Burns, Anthony Duclair, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Keegan Iverson, Michael Kantor, Chris Kreider, Danny Kristo, Nickolas Latta, Paxton Leroux, Oscar Lindberg, Matthew Lombardi, Ryan Malone, Chris McCarthy, J.T. Miller, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Rick Nash, Richard Nejezchleb, Logan Nelson, Josh Nicholls, Ryan Potulny, Michael St. Croix, Martin St. Louis, Lee Stempniak, Derek Stepan, Adam Tambellini, Nick Tarnasky, Andrew Yogan, Mats Zuccarello. Defensemen (19): Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Dan Boyle, Troy Donnay, Dan Girardi, Ryan Graves, Tommy Hughes, Matt Hunwick, Steven Kampfer, Kevin Klein, Michael Kostka, Ryan Mantha, Ryan McDonagh, Dylan McIlrath, John Moore, Samuel Noreau, Marc Staal, Dallas Valentine, Daniel Walcott. Goaltenders (6): Cedrick Desjardins, Brandon Halverson, Henrik Lundqvist, Jason Missiaen, Mackenzie Skapski, Cam Talbot. The players will begin on-ice activities on Friday, September 19 at 10:00 a.m. at MSG Training Center. No Kovalev:(

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:25 pm EST

Rhet: Re Ryan - if that's true, what an idiot. What has he accomplished to date to deserve a contract paying him $7,000,000 for the next 7 years, let alone MORE money and/or term?

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:19 pm EST

There are unconfirmed rumors that Bobby Ryan turned down a seven-year, $49 million offer..... Per JD on the Johansen negotiations.... “We’ve been told if we don’t give them what they want, they’ll be leaving town.”

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:14 pm EST

KID.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:13 pm EST

Kis is sick RF, no doubt. Id even wager he outpoints Stamkos, who I font expect to be as quick & has no MSL to feed him. Johhanson is way confident too and knows he's trending, thus the squabble. CBJs will have to bite the bullet on this one, THIS is the player everyone wants. My guess is he gets a 5yr deal and big money.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:05 pm EST

RR: Johansen, IMO, has the makings of a top 10 NHLer and top 3 centerman. What I saw from him in last year's POs really made me stand up and notice (lots of positive noise about him as the year went on but I didn't see any BJ games until the Pittsburgh series). This kid was easily the best BJ and oftentimes the best player on the ice for BOTH teams. His skillset is thru the roof. And it's only now starting to truly surface. He's going to evolve, I think, into a classic number 1 center - skating ability, a shot, a puck distributor, size (6'4" and 220) and aggressiveness. You build around pieces like this kid. This is why even despite the mounting nastiness in BJville I don't believe he'll be traded, but as long as the acrimony continues (and increases in intensity) it remains possible.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:01 pm EST

Rhet: Yep, agreed it would have to be thought over by Sather and team before trading for Johansen. His agent is famous for being involved in acrimonious contract negotiations including Turris, Ryan Kesler and Brandon Dubinsky on his 4 year deal with the Rangers. Apparently, the BJs had rough negotiations with the entry level deal for Kerby Rychel. All the same agent. It's interesting...

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 1:58 pm EST

Gotta say Hayes showed nice hands & good finish on his goal yesterday. Funny thing is, we dont NEED Stamkos or Johansson, thought youd have to be ubatz not to want either. But both our top centers were seriously banged up and still we came within a whisker. Thats without our sniper sniping & no PP. Now new depth at center in Lombardi Lindberg maybe Miller or Hayes, Stemp can play there too. I like what we have right now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 1:40 pm EST

TD...He wasn't among the first, he was the first to have the Hayes signing. He 's also been right on other occasions. That being said, Columbus exploring trading Johansen's rights is part of the process in these types of negotiations. It also doesn't mean that they're ready to part with him just yet ...RF4L... What's troubling about Johansen is that he wants this kind of money based on one strong season. He did absolutely nothing his prior 2 NHL seasons. Other guys put up much better numbers over three seasons to get the big payday on their second deal. I would be concerned if I we spent assets for the guy and his demands didn't come down. If Stamkos gets to Free Agency, MSL could be the key to him signing in NY. Stamkos was not at all happy about him being traded. Still, two seasons is a long time away and a lot can happen between now and then ....JFC.... I would be okay with trading both players as long as it was for the right guy. I would not want to see them moved in a deal for a 35 year old player(for eg. Joe Thornton). I agree that the Hayes signing was big. It gives us some depth at center(in the organization) where we had little to none before.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 17 2014 11:51 am EST

Just did a little research on the BJ/Johnasen impasse. This could spiral into something even messier than it already is. Apparently, the BJs are offering a 2 year 'bridge' deal in the neighbourhood of $3,000,000 to $3,500,000/year, similar to the sort of deals signed last fall by Stepan and Nasim Kadri of the Leafs. Meanwhile, Johnasen's agent wants a longer term deal at $6,500,000/year, ala those deals signed by Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin 2 summers ago. These 2 camps are miles apart, both on term and rate and unless someone budges (and it appears the BJs won't) a hold out is all but guaranteed. What isn't known is how long will the impasse last? How long is Johansen prepared to sit out? A month? Half the season? What a giant headache and distraction this is becoming. And it'll only worsen as the days turn into weeks and maybe even months. BTW, if Johansen does get shopped, you gotta believe whoever acquires him has to be prepared to give him the deal he wants. Interestingly enough, in the long run it could turn out to be the right thing to do for the club. One only has to look at how the Canadiens will now be paying thru the nose for PK Subban. Two summers ago he wanted a deal like the one Johansen is seeking but the Canadiens held their ground and he settled for a 2 year bridge deal. he won the James Norris trophy in year one of that deal and had another strong season last year. Now, instead of paying Subban something like $6,500,000 for the next 4 years, they will be paying him an incredible $9,000,000, meaning the money they saved over the past 2 seasons is blown out of the water in the next 4. The biggest downfall of signing a longer term deal now (2nd deal after the entry level deal) is that when it expires, the player is an UFA (like at 28) whereas the bridge deal, followed by a more expensive 6 year deal ends up locking the player up for an extra 2 years. The best example of this is Stamkos - he signed a big 2nd contract, skipping the bridge deal contract, but will hit UFA status in the summer of 2016, at the ripe old age of 26!

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 11:45 am EST

Rangers will wear microchips in jerseys this year so they can be tracked for advanced stats. Corsi & Fenwick must be delighted. And if Stepan goes anywhere it should be for Stamkos, who is UFA next. Itd take more than Step obviously, but we could afford it EASY. Lucic UFA after next year too.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:27 am EST

tdchi- I would of course be very suprised if Johansen would be moved, but of course, somewhere along some kind of scale you need to draw a line for a pain limit no matter who you negotiate with. If a guy coming of a ELC with one decent year under his belt want Toews and Kane UFA money, do you pay it? If you don't, what are your options. To have that asset play in the KHL for a number of years before he becomes a UFA.

Ola


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:08 am EST

Take this for what it's worth, which isn't much, but the same guy who was among the first to call HAYES to the Rangers also said the Jackets are quietly shopping JOHANSEN...again...I don't know on what planet a GM would move a center like that, especially given the team they've built in Columbus...the Jackets taking the Pens to the brink wasn't a fluke by any means...it's a team coming into its own...I wouldn't be surprised to see them go deep this year.

tdchi


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:07 am EST

Rhet -- don't know that any of the youngins could make Stepan "expendable" at this point (although it seems as if the Rangers are hoping one day to use Hayes as a Center), but it's possible, for instance, that a package of Hags & Stepan could bring in a Center to replace Stepan....one who has some ingredients that Stepan does not. In other words, maybe the kids make Hags expendable and it leads to a package deal. My point is that if several youngins show that they are right on the cusp of being NHL ready, it opens up the possibility of shipping out young vets like Hags & Stepan (& Milller) to bring in a big fish.

JFC31


Wed Sep 17 2014 9:01 am EST

Look, these things happen periodically and 99% of the time the player re-signs and all is forgotten. I get the GM talking but I don't get JD jumping in like he did. There is no way he gets dealt and if he does, there are other teams who could offer more than the Rangers anyway. Would love to have him though RF4L.

Bob


Wed Sep 17 2014 8:00 am EST

Sather: Get on the horn and offer the BJs Stepan, Miller and Skeji for Johnasen and a draft pick. Do it - nothing to lose and everything to gain, including at a minimum putting a bug in JD's ear about possibly eliminating a nasty problem via making such a trade. Then the BJs can be renamed the Columbus Ranger Jackets!

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 7:50 am EST

Bob: Agreed, which is why I am watching with interest the escalating conflict in BJville. Yes, the chances of Johansen not resigning in the end are slim, but sometimes situations like this serve to drive a wedge between a player and an organization that never fully mends resulting, eventually, in the player being moved. IMO, BJ management are playing a dangerous game taking their side of the conflict public. To my knowledge, Johansen's camp has been relatively sileint throughout, obvoiusly letting their actions (not budging from their contract position) do the talking. I gotta figure, however, sooner or later some heated retorts will be issued and that will do nothing but add fuel to the fire.

RF4L


Wed Sep 17 2014 2:23 am EST

FWIW, I like the fact that they are trying Hayes at C. It is the biggest weakness in the system, and we could use a big, hulking center with wheels and hands. Imagine Boyle with skill. I hope he grows into that position.

Bob


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:19 pm EST

JFC... I agree that Hagelin should be looking over his shoulder with some of the talent the Rangers have in the system, but exactly who is going to make Stepan expendable?

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:11 pm EST

Never know how things are going to turn out; not just with injuries, but a lot of times the biggest problems come when the things you count on stop working. Along those lines, I could easily see a St Louis or Girardi or a Dom Moore just having one of those years where things arent clicking for them. And thats when the depth will provide options, even if theyre not perfect. I think Sather realizes that and is even more patient than usual, and he's usually like a frickin monument. There are a lot of new players and kids on the cusp to assess. 25-40 games seems about right IMO. But look out for the Thorton move anyway LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:09 pm EST

Per Aaron Portzline .... CBJ president John Davidson blasts contract with Johansen as "extortion" http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2014/09/davidson-its-extortion.html …

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:49 pm EST

And I agree that vets like Lombardi, Glass & Stemp are not going to get sent down unless they really stink it up.....and I don't see that happening. Malone needs to go a step,farther and PROVE he can still bring it like he used to....but, if he does, he too will have an edge as an experienced vet/known quantity. His biggest detriment will probably be if AV feels he's too slow to keep up the pace. If he's not, and he can still bang the boards and go hard to,the net....he's gonna stay. And that too, will make trades more likely.

JFC31


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:45 pm EST

If several kids really impress in tourney and continue to impress throughout camp, I could see them staying right until the final cuts, getting sent down to the AHL and then a significant trade or two of CURRENT players who the youngins have shown they have the ability to replace. Young, proven NHL vets who have proven value and would be attractive to other NHL teams....guys like Hagelin, Stepan. That, however, is a BIG if. I can't see this many players hanging around and not at least one trade before the season starts or early in the season.

JFC31


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:19 pm EST

6 years at $5.5 million sounds perfect, with the NY Rangers showing some damn good loyalty, faith, & risk......

mf


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:09 pm EST

Hospi veenyo will give his new "vets" preference. It will be up to them to keep their jobs or lose them to kids. But he will give most of them the poo treatment . ... Some might become Pi-Z and del zeroes...it's his and the sather's roster now ...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:05 pm EST

Marc Staal is reportedly seeking a 6 or 7 year deal worth $6 million per season. (NY Post) The Rangers are believed to be offering the same deal they gave Dan Girardi, 6 years at $5.5 million. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:47 pm EST

Rhet - The kid plays well against 18-22 year old punks and it's 'watch out"? Sorry, I don't buy it..TC means about zero for this coming year....And even if he plays decent in Camp, while it will be a great sign, the rangers will not jump him straight to the NHL from College..DOn't see an iota of a chance.....For Him..This Camp...Where I do agree with ya is that the Vets as well as the kids better be ready in camp and that it sure should be a hell of alot fun to see who makes it...But I also think the vets will get a little benefit of the doubt if it's close as more time in the A can only help the kids and make them more ready when called upon...But, hey, AV may have the opposite mind set and Malone, Lombardi, and Stemp (Glass is a slam dunk Ranger IMO) may not be long for NY...We'll see..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:16 pm EST

If Ryan Haggerty continues his strong play from the Tournament in Ranger camp, it will be hard to keep the kid off the team. He is a goal scorer. Kevin Hayes needs to show he belongs on the big club, I'm sure he'll come to camp with a chip on his shoulder. Oscar Lindberg was the preseason's final cut last year and he's also coming to camp with something to prove. Ryan Malone said that he knows he's got a fight on his hands if he wants to win a spot on this team. JT Miller also seems poised to make the team this season. JMO, but Stempniak, Lombardi and Glass better all come to camp with the same determination, or someone could be on the outside looking in come the first day of the season. Rangers Camp is shaping up to be a hell of a lot of fun this season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 16 2014 5:45 pm EST

ryan johansen would be a superstar on broadway reminds me of a young Jean Ratelle but with a much more outgoing charismatic personality . he knows hes worth 7 million and there are teams willing to meet his price if not the blue jackets ( except for the compensation issue/ but if there there was no comp picks involved ar least a dozen teams wpuld be offering that amount including the ny rangers

docjay


Tue Sep 16 2014 5:40 pm EST

trevor halverson resembles a young Terry Sawchuck both physically and in terms of his style of play . just google terry sawchuck images to see the resemblance ( a young terry sawchuck from the early years in detroit)

docjay


Tue Sep 16 2014 5:02 pm EST

Im sure Dolan's band opened for the Eagles purely on merit. Glen Frey's a big fan! Thats some ego-maniacal shit right there.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:58 pm EST

Incidentally, I apologize in advance for posting that Dolan link. Really, don't watch the video. It's bad. It's bad enough having Dolan as an owner. No one needs him playing a kazoo solo in their head.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:53 pm EST

6-3. Did we pull the goalie with 8 mins left? Who cares? I want LA rematch, right now, tonight. See how theyd handle our new look. Not very well Id imagine, with Malone shishkabobbibg Quick's nuts haha

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:50 pm EST

Haggerty has opened some eyes at TC one would think. Can't have 2 Hags on one team

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:44 pm EST

Right TD. Now 5-3.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:43 pm EST

Check that. 4-3 Wild.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:42 pm EST

Haggerty scores to tie it, then sets up Duclair. 4-3 NYR.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:41 pm EST

Not sure who the TC kids have in net...probably SKAPSKI...but man, he must be having a bad game....5-3 Wild...and that Wild team outside of DUMBA is pretty pathetic.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:34 pm EST

And THIS is MAJOR understatement: http://gawker.com/knicks-owner-jim-dolans-band-didnt-get-any-better-over-1635460341?utm

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:33 pm EST

RABID - of course, it is what it is..Anybody on the top 6-8 forwards or top 2 pair can play like crap for 10 games and basically, they are not going to be replaced (POs would be another story)...Perhaps slid down a line or pairing, but that' it....It's the rest of the players that could take a seat here or there..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 4:09 pm EST

Injuries will present chances Hospo, but it depends who is having the slump. I can see St Louis going another 20 games without a goal & not missing a shift. Thats the kind of b.s., with Sam Joe making every excuse in the world for him, that makes me wanna kill somebody. Especially if a Haggerty is on fire in Htfd. That said, I got enough aggravation without inventing more. All in all, its a high class problem.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:34 pm EST

RABID - Exactly..There will be injuries..and slumps.....Get and have the kids ready..They will get their chance this year...And the rest will take care of itself based on performance..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:32 pm EST

Dont forget Lombardi & Malone arent exactly iron men. Best of both worlds right . Too many good kids & vets.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:30 pm EST

Hayes got one. 2-1 Wild.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 3:07 pm EST

TDCHI - Whaddya know...We actually agree on the issue....I have always had the mindset of that old wine commercial..we will serve no wine before it's time....All these kids could use some more time in the A to mature or get better..But when it's time you know it,,,,Hopefully with MiIller his attitude/mental approach finally matches his physical attributes and it is his time..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 2:46 pm EST

Hospo/Ranger47 - I don't for one minute believe that if a kid, like say BOURQUE came into camp, absolutely BLAZED and looked NHL-ready that they'd send him back down in favor of keeping someone like STEMPNIAK or LOMBARDI or any of the sub-millionaires they signed over the off-season. Camp is put-up or shut-up. I think the only signee that really has his spot carved in stone is BOYLE...all the rest are guys that could easily be waived or sent to the minors...as for the kids getting upset...upset about what? I'd be pissed if they signed a guy like Lombardi to a four-year $1.5 million contract...or Stemp...or Mueller...but the truth is, they're all guys who are getting paid at or around the league minimum..all with talent...and all who can/will be claimed by other teams if they're put on waivers...From what I can tell, the only guy who is more than ready to take the jump is MILLER...I've suggested HAYES too, but after TC, that's sort of a doubt in my mind now...HAGGERTY I'd say has an outside chance, just because of his age and the competition he was up against in the North East...and by virtue of the fact they didn't send him to Hartford when he signed...the rest are all guys who could use more seasoning...I didn't see anyone on the Pack outside of Miller last year who looked like they'd make a serious bid to make the team this fall...anyway...having one guy who I think is a sure-shot, two others with an outside chance and anyone among a dozen who could be dark horses...I don't think that's sending any sort of negative message...if anything, it'll make them hungrier.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 2:36 pm EST

Ranger47 - Don't agree.....Tough noogies omn the kids if they are not handed a spot when they were told, if they ever were...Means they just have to work harder to unseat players in front of them......If they sulk, pout of have problems, they are not the players you want.......As for Cap implications...I might agree but not if Sather could make signings like Malone, Stemp and Lombardi where it just might be 2 MILL per for all three.....I wouldn't get too worried, this might just ne a one year thang and maybe it's because the org though their prospects as a whole needed just a little more time....Everybody should be ready by some time this year and a pipeline re-established...makes sense to me

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 2:24 pm EST

Hospo: I understand that, but they've been telling the prospects that they'll be spots for them when they are ready. If I were them and was coming to camp under the current circumstances I'd be both a little disappointed and miffed. Moreover, for the Rangers to remain competitive in terms of the cap they need to arguably get at least 2 prospects on the big club each year. And, some of those prospects they have to decide whether to trade or promote them to avoid losing them because of no openings. My historical views of this suggest to me that there can be some players that need to be promoted to not go backwards - and some which could really help the team if given a real chance. I have the feeling that will not happen this year on this team. JMHO.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:45 pm EST

Ranger47 - Exactly,,and as it should be if you have good vets..which I think the Rangers do in Malone, Stemp and Lombardi....None of these kids are at the point where they can't benefit from time in the AHL..Just make sure they are ready for later in the season..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:43 pm EST

RF4L - It's Buch's coach....Look at the white helmets

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:38 pm EST

TD: I'm aware that the players now come into camp "in shape". But, doesn't such a shortened training camp hurt guys like Lindberg and other young prospects who will probably not get enough time to demonstrate they are ready to replace a vet? Granted, they can always shine in the AHL and get a later call up. But, IMHO it's gonna be VERY tough for prospects to unseat vets unless they can absolutely WOW management during practices or the preseason games. Just saying.....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:26 pm EST

Alex Nunn @aj_ranger Can't understate how good Buchnevich has been today. Two goals, one beauty, a team-high five shots and so dominant. Still 20+ to go. #NYR

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:23 pm EST

Thanks Gary....Noreau is one big boy. I suspect there's no chance he makes the big club out of camp no matter how well he plays, but sure hope he has a strong year for the Pack. If so McI had better step up his game this year.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:20 pm EST

Beautiful pass by the Malkin wannabe. And the coach looked equally miserable after that goal, too! LOL

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:17 pm EST

RF4L ... It was Noreau in the fight but I couldn't tell who had the missed hit

GaryRanger


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:17 pm EST

Just watched again - it's Buch's coach. LOL....my God what's he like when his team gets scored against like that (basically letting one guy control the play for so long and scoring)?

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:14 pm EST

Buch scores again on nifty 2-on-1 feed http://video.khl.ru/quotes/238145 kid's a player

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 1:04 pm EST

BTW, check out the sour faced coach shown after the goal is scored. LOLOL. Dunno if he's the opposition coach or not, but the expression is hilarious....

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:55 pm EST

Holy crap, what a goal. Buve did that all by himself, to the point where he had the puck on his stick for nearly 15 seconds and generated not just the chance he scored on, but a good one about 7 seconds in. What league is that? KHL??

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:43 pm EST

Buchnevich goal http://video.khl.ru/quotes/238109

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:43 pm EST

RF4L/ RABID -Even if HAGGERTY is near ready, I don't think he has a ghost of a chance.. I think the rangers with all their current depth will go the "more seasoning" route..I think the same will hold true for almost all the kids..except probably MILLER......Damn sure looking like HARTFORD will have a really strong roster up front at the beginning with the likes of Hayes, Haggerty, Fast, Lindberg, Borque, Kristo, Mueller and some others......Tarnasky and Kantor will have their hands full fighting for them..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:37 pm EST

Gawd I hate those highlights. No info on who's doing what except for the goals and a couple of saves. Who fought? Who was the Ranger blueliner who stepped up just outside the Cane line for a thundering hit and missed by a mile, setting up a 2 on 1? If that was Noreau, he'd better reign that in - getting beat that badly at a prospect camp isn't a good sign! lol.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:31 pm EST

RR: Re Haggerty's chances on making it - if I am getting your point, I concur wholeheartedly. I think the Rangers feel he needs time in the AHL, perhaps even all season (if not most of it). He was signed to produce offensive, however, and if scores through camp, including in pre-season games, at a decent pace, he could force himself in the starting top 9 forwards. It would be unexpected I suspect, but a nice problem to have. An interesting storyline to watch at least in the early going of camp.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 12:20 pm EST

That shot is why Haggerty is my darkhorse to unseat a depth wing, maybe Stempniak.Sounds unlikely .....until the puck starts going in.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:43 am EST

Haggerty has some shot....http://blueshirtsunited.com/videos/6587/traverse-city-rangers-hurricanes-highlights?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1410881526#.VBhaCPldVl0

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:38 am EST

BIZ NASTY with a PTO for the Blues....Good idea for a good team to have a goon around for insurance during the first half.....I guess the Rangers have......Nick Tarnasky? I've liked what Sather has done this off season but still would have liked a goon (GLASS will not be used like one by AV) brought in, at least for a look see..

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:35 am EST

Ranger47 -If the Jackets would offer us Dubinsky or Rychel...hell even Anisimov back for NASH, I'd do it. Anything that would get his contract off the books would be good in my estimation...And if they offered JOHANSEN? They wouldn't even get the second syllable out of his name before I'd have Nash on a plane back to Columbus.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:31 am EST

RABID - If KId K learns how to finish along with the way the rest of his game is progressing...WATCH OUT..And if NASH can remember how to finish with the way he played late in the POs, he will be scary...Expecting HUGE years from both...

Hospo


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:14 am EST

Hypothetically, would you consider swapping Nash for Johannsen? (Not that it would ever happen!).

Ranger47


Tue Sep 16 2014 10:03 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/blue-jackets-gm-on-ryan-johansen-contract-talks-when-training-camp-starts-thats-it/

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:58 am EST

RF4L - Most here know my affinity for STEP and MILLER, but I wouldn't blink to trade both for JOHANSEN.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:46 am EST

The bigger the contract usually the more testy the negotiations get. Johhanson is going nowhere. Theyre angling for a long term deal where he gives up a few UFA years. But theyre not so stupid as to harm that relationship. Nice piece on Kreider in Salem News. He sounds RARIN' to go. Love how he talks about his missed breakaways in SCFs. Says the great players finish those. He knows what he has to do. Monster year on tap for him IMO, especially if he plays with Brass & Zuc.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 16 2014 9:04 am EST

TD: Yep you're probably right, but something to muse on: Johansen's agent is the same guy who represents Kyle Turris and he pulled the same stunt on the Yotes with Turris, to the point where relations soured so badly, he was traded to the Senators. I realize Johansen's upside is considerably higher, but you never know. The Rangers could offer up a package like Stepan, Miller and Skeji and that might be enough to at least get the BJ's attention.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:56 am EST

RF4L - I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell the Jackets deal JOHANSEN. He's a franchise center on a team that's poised to go deep. He knows that and I suspect it's why he's playing hardball. He knows eventually they're going to have to pony up the money...I think he's asking for $7 million...and it's not like they don't have the space...in fact, one could argue that it'd be a good idea to ink the kid longterm instead of low-balling him...And if the Jackets are trying to say he's equivalent to STEPAN's situation, they're off their rockers.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:26 am EST

RF4L/York - I think you're both right...I mean, 0-3 with that roster? There's something more at work there than simple youth. NTM...some of those guys played TC last season..Sometimes you just don't get the right mix of players...Conversely, you have the Jackets, which aren't much different in age...but they've dominated the tourney.

tdchi


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:21 am EST

Haggerty goal... http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/hurricanes-3-rangers-2-ot.html

puckyou


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:06 am EST

The Stepan deal is an example the BJs are citing as something Johansen's camp should be willing to accept.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 8:03 am EST

Things getting really nasty in Columbus with the Ryan Johanson contract war - BJ GM ramped up the discontent yesterday. Apparently, the sides are an incredible $3,000,000 apart per season on the deal. I don't for a second believe it'll come to it, but Sather needs to be first in line if Columbus decides to make this kid available. The biggest beef in Columbus is that Johansen had 2 underwhelming years to start his career, then blossomed last year and management is reluctant hand out a big reward so quickly.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:50 am EST

York: And I'm only surmising this, but I suspect Buffalo has a very young team (given all their high picks the past 2 years) and they are up against players that are 2 to 3 to even 5 or 6 years older is a lot tougher than some think.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 7:47 am EST

ranger47/TD: And things have changed over the past 10+ years in that players (well most) come to camp in great shape and in fact, that's actually expected so when someone reports to camp out of shape, it's frowned upon bigtime. In the past (way in the past) the first 2 weeks of camp was all about the players burning away the fat they accumulated after 3 to 4 months of drinking beer and smoking cigarettes. Not so anymore.

RF4L


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:29 am EST

TD the mistake you made with buff is you assumed talent equals wins but if these guys can't gel then they are nothing but high picks on the ice

York18


Tue Sep 16 2014 6:15 am EST

http://blueshirtsunited.com/photos/6584/rangers-vs-carolina-hurricanes-in-traverse-city-the-collection#.VBgbm5RdVTs

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:48 pm EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/wings/2014/09/15/daniel-alfredsson-setback-detroit-red-wings-danny-dekeyser-aaron-rome/15679163/

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:42 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/15/rangers-first-goal-dont-look-way-down-the-road/

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:04 pm EST

Matt Bodie Postgame: .... http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=630688

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:02 pm EST

Brandon Halverson Postgame...... http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=630688

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:30 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/15/new-york-rangers-daily-poll-91514/

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:07 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/heartbreak-henrik-lundqvist-sees-rangers-contenders-article-1.1940350

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 8:55 pm EST

http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6581/lundqvist-i-think-we-are-contenders-again-this-season#.VBeYgZRdVTs

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 7:52 pm EST

Ranger47 - I think the key here is at least 15 of the 40-plus guys that are going to be in camp have been there since late August. Essentially the rest showed up after labor day, so figure informal practices have been going on for more than three weeks. And I don't think there's an NHLer/hopeful NHLer who wasn't training through most of August. I'm not surprised at all they've got a game right from the get-go. Helps weed out the few who didn't train much over the off-season.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 7:32 pm EST

Haggerty with a snipe to tie it 2-2. Sounds like he's been Rangers best st tourney pretty easily.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 15 2014 7:00 pm EST

I still do not get how the Rangers can have physicals on Thursday (9/18), and play their firs preseason game on Monday (9/22). You probably won't see the vets, but the "yutes" may not have been ingrained in the AV system (nor can you tell how good or bad they are if, presumably they'll be playing against the yutes of the Flyers as opposed to the vets). Seems like you need to have already made some serious assumptions/decisions beforehand on the team you'll field for opening day regardless of the preseason games. JMHO..

Ranger47


Mon Sep 15 2014 5:37 pm EST

So batting .500 in my TC predictions...Jackets kids go 3-0...Buffalo's kids go 0-3.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 4:05 pm EST

Hospo - Indeed. NOREAU is a righty too...I've been talking up the kid since his last season in the Q. He had a bit of a rough adjustment to the AHL and ended up in Greenville, where he had a solid season. Billed as a big, stay-at-home defenseman who can hit and likes to fight, he showed flashes of offense his last year in juniors. I liken him to a poor man's McIlrath. Good chance he'll make the Pack this year, even though that lineup is looking pretty damn crowded.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 2:56 pm EST

every SECOND...

Hospo


Mon Sep 15 2014 2:55 pm EST

McD will be a great choice....I don't put much stock in TRAVERSE City but I was bored so I read the tweets of somebody who has been there every "...... for me the biggest improvement among rangers prospects has been Noreau and Skapski. Real test will be in main camp" Isn't NOREAU a BIG defensive D-man? ZCould be competition for MCILRATH......and....."I think that Hayes will need to show more in the next two games, training camp and exhibition to make it. Safer route is 2 go AHL"....I like the way she thinks.........Still think MILLER--you know, because he's super focused and super serial now--will be the only kid that makes it...But, it's all up to camp

Hospo


Mon Sep 15 2014 11:42 am EST

Agree on McD as captain. I believe he's about the same age as Dave Maloney was when they made him captain....

Ranger47


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:55 am EST

I like MCD as Captain. He has the respect of the players, and because of his youth sets an example for our young guys who have made the squad, and those competing for a spot.. Good choice

mf


Mon Sep 15 2014 9:21 am EST

Agree McD is the hands down choice for the C. Only worry is he's maybe just slightly too young, BUT, the guy's growth on & off-ice has been uncanny. He really seems to enjoy being a spokesman, in contrast to a guy like Cally who you could tell never loved that part of the assignment. I think we might even see a few surprising quotes come from McDonagh over time. You can tell already in how he talked about Malone, its a bit more expansive than the suits usually prefer. I don't love St Louis as an assistant, seems very deferential while a guy like Zuc is plainly IMO more ingrained and certainly will be here longer. Same time, Marty is a guy they all respect, and McD has flat out said he wants the C, so we could do far worse.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 15 2014 8:04 am EST

RR - If McDonagh is waxing on about MALONE, then I'd say that's a good sign he's here to stay. He's a no bs guy. Doubt he would offer that opinion if it weren't true.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 8:03 am EST

Pal17 - being captain is the LAST thing NASH needs on his plate. That guy needs to focus on one thing and one thing only, and that's getting back to wherever he was in his mind in 2008-2009, when he scored 40 goals and 79 points...really that's the only way he's going to earn the paycheck that he's making now...of course, I'd even take Rick Nash circa 2010-2011...I'd take any Rick Nash that can notch over 30 goals and 30 helpers in a season and then continue that pace in the playoffs...McDONAGH is the perfect captain in many ways. It's impossible not to respect the guy...If you play hockey, you respect a guy like McD because he does everything right...he skates hard, he plays hard...he leads by example. The guy isn't about platitudes and appeasing the media...they might not be psyched with the choice...but for the Rangers? This is perfect...and STAAL/MSL as his assistants sounds great too. Staal, IMO, should be given some leadership. We forget sometimes how important this guy is to the team and what he has persevered through to keep playing, even if it's still a half-step lower than he was at his peak. Great choices, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Sep 15 2014 6:41 am EST

Is there anybody out there?

NYStranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 7:42 pm EST

The rumor today is that AV will name McDonagh Captain at his first official press conference of the season, which is this Thursday, September the 18th. It's also been speculated that the alternates would be MSL and Marc Staal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 14 2014 7:37 pm EST

PAL17.... It's funny that you mentioned that. There were reports today the McDonagh could be named captain as early as this week. BTW. He's wanted it. From the first day he got here, he's been talking about taking on a bigger leadership role after every season. McDonagh had this to say, per the Daily News... “I think I've progressed into being a go-to guy, someone teammates can look up to and someone they can count on,” ..... “I think guys see I'm willing to do whatever it takes to win. … [Captain] is a big responsibility, too. It's not just about on the ice but how you carry yourself off of it and represent the organization.”

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 14 2014 6:59 pm EST

It sure would be big MF, to get thru a round or two without going to Defcon 5. Btw, McD was raving about how much Malone can help us; and hes been working out & skating with him for two months.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 6:13 pm EST

Nice to hear we're talking about the playoffs as if it's an expectation. Plenty of dark years for this franchise.. If AV keeps rolling four lines and allocating the TOI evenly, our boys should be as fresh as any other squad.. We seem to be deep enough to give guys a game off here & there to nurse borderline injuries along the way.. Lastly, it would be nice to advance in the playoffs without each round having to go the distance.....

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 4:18 pm EST

Shouldn't Nash have the burden of the C so me he might Man Up & earn is $ ? Don't get me wrong I love McMonster but does he need to deal with what being Captain is aboot? Maybe Dom Moore or MSL should be Captain?

Pal17


Sun Sep 14 2014 4:15 pm EST

Was McDonagh Named Captain yet ?

Pal17


Sun Sep 14 2014 1:31 pm EST

Sure Hospo, I remember all that craziness in preseason. Flyers especially used it to inflict & intimidate in anticipation of the season. They also seemed to relish any fines or suspensions were less in preseason, so it was even worse! Im glad its shorter. Anything that makes the playoffs come quicker, with less wear & tear, the better imo.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 12:11 pm EST

Hey, lets not forget that Deepee backstopped the US national team to a 2006 Olympics 8th place finish!

Messier11


Sun Sep 14 2014 11:41 am EST

mf - I totally don't remember that fight, but man, does it ever harken to how much of a moron Rick DiPIETRO is/was...Man, if I'm a coach or GM and I see my first-overall pick...my franchise goaltender...even skating near a scrum like that in pre-season, I'd bench him for two weeks. DeePee, already broken beyond repair, ended up essentially ending his career five years later after the Penguins' backup goalie tuned him up in a fist-fight...Isles could'a walked away from that draft with Heatley or Gaborik...instead, they got a decade of frustration.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 11:07 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TlHfYuMjUk

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 11:05 am EST

TD, thanks for the link. Looks like a rolled up racing form from Roosevelt Raceway.. Anyway, nice to see two RHS RW in Haggerty & McCarthy in the pipeline, and I was equally impressed with the feed on that gwg as I was the goal itself... Love those set-ups.....

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:56 am EST

RABID - Thanks..I remember when camp use be a month long...filled with internal fights and then huge Donnybrooks with the Flyers, Bruins and Isles.....! The good old days...Luckily for the Rangers with basically two tough guys in the entire organization--Glass and Mcilrath (if ever healthy--that those things don't happen much anymore)

Hospo


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:53 am EST

Hospo, this is not some favorite cheese game-show. This is serious business.

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:39 am EST

mf - 70 is McCarthy. Got the primary assist on the goal. Here's last night's lineup card: https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/510903580149444609/photo/1

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:36 am EST

RR - Don't get me wrong...not saying it's not a slap. Just suggesting a reason. I do recall them putting together longer clips of the action last year. And the clips they have this year appear to originate in part from video taken from cell phones...I did read folks complaining over the lack of cell reception at the rink...still no excuse. Wouldn't cost them squat to show this tourney online.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:33 am EST

Physicals are Thursday, I believe. On TV a week from tomorrow, Monday night vs.Philly on MSG.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:32 am EST

On the prospects themselves...From all reports SKAPSKI had an incredible game. That's a promising sign. Kid really came on last winter and I think he's starting in Hartford this fall. Could be a good sign of things to come...I talked up NOREAU last season and it sounds like he's another having a good tourney. He's a big righty with a chip on his shoulder...Not sure if anyone mentioned it here, but McCARTHY is wearing the 'C'...Noreau and KANTOR with the 'A'...The latter is a guy who, if his offensive game could pick up a bit, would be a nice addition...And with a dearth of highlights to look at, here are some interesting stats...An impressive seven shots for Josh NICHOLLS, who was Leafs' draftee who racked up some good points in the WHL, but, like Noreau, couldn't hang with the Pack and played the whole season in Greenville...More zeros for HAYES, but had four shots. Think it was Treiff who Tweeted out she finally saw the player teams were getting in a bidding war over...Five shots a piece for HAGGERTY and TAMBELLINI, who had the GWG on a nice feed from the captain.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:25 am EST

Damn, enough with this Traverse crap, when the hell does the Real camp and the battle for the last 4 slots start?

Hospo


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:21 am EST

There's action TD, theyre just not showing it. Nichols had 7 SOG, Haggerty 5, etc. Last year they were building 10-15 minute highlight packages, not just goals but segments of the games. Why they have to start the year slapping fans in the face is beyond me.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:15 am EST

Nice set-up by #70 for the gwg on the instagram Rhet posted.. A RHS who made the pass from the right circle... Anyone know who this masked man (#70) is?

mf


Sun Sep 14 2014 10:07 am EST

RF4L/RR - I think the lack of video "highlights" might be indicative of a lack of highlights. Man...NOREAU'S goal...that's something I haven't even seen in beer league hockey anytime recently...And gotta say, I'm pretty surprised by how easily the Sabres kids are knuckling under. I had them picked for either first or second in the tourney...not really much to write home about...kind of a strange tournament altogether. A lot of older kids in it this year...some guy named Ryan Walters is leading the scoring right now...unsigned 23-year-old on a tryout with the Wild, has eight points in three games.

tdchi


Sun Sep 14 2014 8:35 am EST

That highlight package is absolutely lame. Offers up 3 names, this despite several good breakouts and scoring attempts by the Rangers. Geeesh....

RF4L


Sun Sep 14 2014 8:26 am EST

Highlights posted from last night vs.Buffalo, about 2 mins worth.looked like Noreau scored from his own blue line. What a waste. Can't tell anymore about our prospects than last week.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 14 2014 7:27 am EST

That is pretty standard for any player that is traded. The usual rule of thumb is as follows..... If a player has a full NMC, it travels with him even if he waives it to be traded. However, if the player is traded before his NMC takes effect, it automatically vaporizes unless — in rare circumstances — the acquiring club agrees in writing to be bound by it.... An NTC does not travel with a player if a) the player waives a full NTC or b) the player is traded within the terms of a limited or modified NTC. In addition, if the player is traded before his NTC takes effect, it vaporizes unless — in rare circumstances — the acquiring club agrees in writing to be bound by it..... .....Knowing Sather, he agreed to let Nash keep it. Quite frankly, I don't know why any fan sweats over either of these clauses. If a team wants to trade a player, he will get traded. No one likes to be where they're not wanted.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:58 pm EST

according to capgeek, Nash NTC may have been nullified by previous waiver

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:24 pm EST

UFA/RFAs: Thanks for posting your thoughts... I wonder how SATHER can unload NASH whom has a NMC and untradeable contract... so bizzare he sucks so bad..never saw that coming...

schneidw


Sat Sep 13 2014 9:16 pm EST

Per Leslie Treff..... “Haggerty has been very good in both games. Good acceleration and drive to the net”

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 9:06 pm EST

Game Winner.... http://instagram.com/p/s6H-63vdGs/

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:34 pm EST

Treff.... Tambellini w winner Leslie Treff ... · 1m On 2 on 2 break Rangers win.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:32 pm EST

Leslie Treff.... Hayes Haggerty Bodie. Now Walcott latta Duclair

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:30 pm EST

Leslie Treff .... · 12s About to go 3 on 3.... Leslie Treff.... · 52s And the next 3 minutes too.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:28 pm EST

Leslie Treff.... · 41s Most of the first minute was in rangers end.... Leslie Treff.... · 9m And we go to OT what a surprise. I really think Duclair had the winner though.... Leslie Treff....· 10m Last minute Sabres swarming.... Leslie Treff.... · 14m Duclair w great chance put it off inside of net.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:04 pm EST

isn't the shootout pretty popular

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 7:59 pm EST

Traverse City fans got to see the FUTURE of NHL OVERTIME Friday night: a dry scrape followed by four minutes of 4 on 4 hockey, then three minutes of 3 on 3. "“It should help eliminate the shootout,”" said Schoenfeld during the end of regulation break.

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 7:59 pm EST

Noreau. 1-1.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 7:48 pm EST

Not sure if this was posted yesterday, however some fun background info on our kids.....http://hockeythisweek.com/live-from-traverse-city-ncaa-stars-bolster-rangers-prospects/#.VBTlIJRdVTs

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 6:43 pm EST

1-0 Sabres.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 5:32 pm EST

Rhet, good stuff, thanx

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 5:31 pm EST

schneidw: for next year there are 6 of 12 forward positions and 2 defensive positions and a backup goaltender needing to be signed.. The available Cap Space is 23 & 7/8ths millions AKA: $23,875,000 ..... Shall we estimate some values? Sure.. Zucc, Stepan, Staal $6mill apiece (maybe you get the 3 for $17.5 mill).. Hagelin $4mill, MSL $3mill, Stempniak or equivalent $1mill. & JT Miller or equivalent $1mill, John Moore $2mill, Cam Talbot $2mill brings us to $31mill so we're shy $7.125 mill aka 7 1/8th millions......... With this year's Cap being set at a lower limit than many "inside the league" projected, and the signing of the Rogers communication deal, let's guestimate that the cap increases by $3million to $72,000,000 million. We're still shy $4,125,000...... So, IMO, Sather must sign the collective group for less than $31mill and someones got to go..... IMO, NASH with a $7.8mill price-tag has the #1 trade target on his back, however, trading NASH open a hole on the top 3-6....... Slow hockey day, can we talk about food again?

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 5:25 pm EST

A guy I know has been going to the Traverse City Tournament for years. He's usually pretty even keeled on his assessments. He said that yes, Kevin Hayes needs to show more to make the team but there were a lot of positives last night. Hayes at center looks good, some slick passes and he seems like a playmaker, Hayes was playing with a lot of confidence..... Hayes has had some sweet passes, seems really aware. He also said this whole team looks better than recent editions from the Rangers. Leslie Treff said that Hayes was showing lots of poise on the PK. She also MENTIONED that he and Bodie were looking good together on the PP. Treff said that it's only the first game but Hayes will have to show a lot more for folks to judge him NHL ready. It's only one game, but Hayes could be running on all cylinders by the time he get's to Rangers camp. We shall see.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:25 pm EST

Tootoo and Feds not bad depth pickups.

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:24 pm EST

Probably Scott Clemmenson, but still Thomas, Bulin, and Bryz out there looking for work

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:14 pm EST

From the NY Daily Snooze: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/leonard-signs-point-ryan-mcdonagh-rangers-captain-article-1.1938602

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:11 pm EST

NJ: doesn't seem they have a backup goaltender, nor do I care...

mf


Sat Sep 13 2014 4:05 pm EST

Fedotenko PTO, Devs.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 1:50 pm EST

Tootoo PTO w.Devs. Lou Lam scraping to bottom of the barrel. I can remember vividly when he was a genius and Sather a fool.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 1:23 pm EST

Now one scout saying Hayes looked dominant at center per Strang.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 1:00 pm EST

schneidw - I think your magic bullet is NASH. Unless he produces, he's going to be gone. He might be gone even if he does produce. I just can't see a way they'll justify paying his salary.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 12:15 pm EST

cap could go up, Nash could get moved. MSL may sign for less to stay/finish

Messier11


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:43 am EST

SALARY CAP QUESTION: When I check out the NYR roster on CapGEEK... can somebody please ask me how the NYRs can sign all their UFAs/RFAs next summer? Hagelin/Stepan will be getting big raises... there is not enough $$$ to resign Staal, Zuccarello and St Louis...it appears to me that this is the last season for St Louis no matter what...he will be impossible to resign... Am I right??

schneidw


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:13 am EST

1:36 worth, cant see shit. Haggerty's goal looked pretty sweet but that's about all I can see from IPad.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 11:00 am EST

Highlights are up at BlueshirtsU if anybody's interested.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 10:41 am EST

Big hurry by the Rangers to get those highlights out to us. The link TD posted are from Dallas' side. Whatever. Forgot how hard it is to watch too. Can't tell who's who without going back to the roster & checking numbers. By the time you get the hang of it, the tourneys over.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:49 am EST

Sounds like HAGGERTY, NOREAU and BODIE had good games...the rest of the team? Meh... Heard HALVERSON was a sieve...disappointing loss to a pretty weak Stars team...But FWIW, Buffalo, which I personally picked as one of the strongest teams, got absolutely decimated by the Canes' kids.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:41 am EST

On HAYES: -2 with 2 shots on net. Word around the horn is he looks like he needs some work in the A. I say the kid is playing center, which he hasn't done in a while...give him some time...but the acquisition of MALONE coupled with a weak prospects camp could certainly land him in Hartford...especially if they ultimately see him as a center.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:37 am EST

Tournament video. Good luck following along with the action though...definitely not MSG feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeNwfYGNkh8&feature=youtube_gdata

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 8:36 am EST

Hahah York. Yeah I remember you saying "I told you guys he was going to do something you'd all like"...not exactly you bashing the deal...but whatever. I won't split hairs. Yeah, everyone here liked the deal. I stand by that statement. RF4L may have had some reservations about the picks getting moved, but I don't even recall him being that irked.

tdchi


Sat Sep 13 2014 12:26 am EST

Almost 1:30 and no highlights posted; safe to say tomorrow, but didn't sound like there was much to see. Except there was, undoubtedly. The brass was evaluating these kids, seeing who stepped up and who didn't. No way of knowing now except the few tidbits that were tweeted.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:38 pm EST

RF4L.... Harbinger of things to come? These are our prospects, who cares how many of these games they lose? I'm more interested in the development of some of our individual prospects during the tournament.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:32 pm EST

3 1 and lose? To a team with lesser talent than the Rangers (allegedly)? Mmmmmm.....harbinger of things to come?? Nahhhhhhh....

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:38 pm EST

4-3 Stars.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:28 pm EST

Stars tie it. OT.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:18 pm EST

And spparently Halverston handles the puck like a grenade. Sounds like DuClair is dangerous out there. 3-2.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:15 pm EST

Treff says only 1st game but Hayes will have to show folks a lot more to be considered NHL ready.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:10 pm EST

TD all of us? I remember a number of people not being happy about clowe amd the picks rf4l being one of them as well as myself you liked the deal don't throw everyone with you.

York18


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:27 pm EST

Clowe was a bad deal. One of Sather's worst, recently. If he'd done his homework (much like with Arnott) we could have avoided that whole mess. These things aren't secrets. Players don't devolve past game-shape overnight

Messier11


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:25 pm EST

Nedjez-whatever, 3-1 NYR. PP.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 6:58 pm EST

http://www.nhl.com/ice/m_news.htm?id=730054&navid=M_DL%7CNHL%7Chome

stevielegs


Fri Sep 12 2014 6:57 pm EST

I seem to remember all of us were doing the happy dance when CLOWE got here...just thrilled that it 'only' cost us picks...but in truth, the writing was on the wall. His 0-for-28 start wasn't an aberration. It was a sign of his melon. Was definitely a bad deal that could have been a whole hell of a lot worse if Sather signed him to some ridiculous deal.

tdchi


Fri Sep 12 2014 6:33 pm EST

2-1 NYR. Haggerty, Kanyor with goals.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 5:56 pm EST

Probably a better chance you can find a stream to Dolan's band live than the Traverse Tourny!

NYStranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 5:54 pm EST

RR: it could have been worse with Clowe. Sather could have signed him to the same kind of deal the Debbies did. At least he he realized what was up and walked away. It was IMO typical NYR with the one big physical forward we desperately need gets hurt or totally looses it 5 games into his Rangers carer! Seems to happen somehow all the friggin time. Just gotta laugh and shrug and shake your head.

NYStranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 4:51 pm EST

Ryane Clowe not cleared to play apparently. Theres a guy that should pack it in, unless he wants to end up like Junior Seau. Thats a deal I cant totally kill Sather for. Clowe could at least pass his baseline test back then. So we gave up a few picks, whoopdie-doo. I do think SJ & Doug Wilson held out on us a bit, but if the docs say a guy is good to go, gotta trust them. Same time, it was one rap on the head & Close was out as I remember it. Anyway, if this guy cant pass after a long summer, pretty much toast Id think.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 4:23 pm EST

TRAV CITY TOURN - For all you prospect hounds, Leslie Tref (HF NYR Prospect writer) is covering the tournament like usual and will be tweeting during games at https://twitter.com/HFNYRangers..and I'm sure will mention a streaming site if she knows........Also, she came out with het Ranger Top 20 prospect list a few weeks ago at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/111875/new-faces-populate-new-york-rangers-2014-fall-top-20/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-faces-populate-new-york-rangers-2014-fall-top-20

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 2:59 pm EST

LEO - Mizithra? never heard of it..Sounds like one of Godzilla's nemesis! Looked it up though, sounds excellent..Gotta give it a try!

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 2:30 pm EST

Dolan's band opening for the Eagles tmrw @ MSG. They must be really good LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 2:27 pm EST

Mizithra. Nothing better grated on pasta IMO. I'm always late to the dance.

LeoS


Fri Sep 12 2014 1:05 pm EST

http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2014/09/12/its-hockey-season-traverse-city-prospects-tournament-starts-today/15497957/

mf


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:32 pm EST

Sabres did radio only last year & again this year from all I can find. Happy to be proven wrong, or if someone finds a rogue link please post it.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:12 pm EST

mf - I can't find anything on it. Last year, the Sabres televised their games through the Sabres site...Doubt the Stars are, given their craptacular team. Might be a rogue broadcast out there, but kind of doubt it. Again, shame on MSG for not sending a couple interns a camera and a WiFi connection out there to stream this. Would'a cost them PENNIES.

tdchi


Fri Sep 12 2014 11:57 am EST

For the record, the only reason I mentioned Gaborik was because of his connection to Boogaard with the Wild. Never meant to imply he did anything wrong. There are at least 27 other Rangers on the 2011-2012 team that could have made the reference. And telling someone where to get drugs isn't exactly a crime. Doesn't even mean you get them yourself. Anyway, this whole subject irks me for the reasons I mentioned below. A powerful narcotic is just that...whether prescribed or not. Apparently, though, the free flow of pills has been clamped down pretty significantly. Or at least here in NY. That's one of the leading reasons heroin has again reared its ugly head.

tdchi


Fri Sep 12 2014 11:35 am EST

ANY "NEW" news on where & how to view tonights game ? .... thank you.... a little fabric softener may reduce the irritability

mf


Fri Sep 12 2014 11:05 am EST

Traverse lines; Negezcheb-Hayes-Haggerty; DuClair-Tambellini-Nichols. News there is seeing how Hayes looks at @center. HOSPO, we say upstate but you makr it sound like 'inside' LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:52 am EST

RABID - Nah, born in Brooklyn, raised in Queens and "upstate"..but FLA and VA for the last 30....

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:32 am EST

The south Hospo? Thought you were in, IDK, Brooklyn....

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:13 am EST

RABID and JFC --Got my mouth watering with those tasty descriptions...Unfortunately,hard to find a good Italian Deli here in the South..Hell, even finding Locatell is a bitch sometimes!!!. That's the thing I miss most about New York!

Hospo


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:09 am EST

Malone wearing No. 24.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:09 am EST

Oh oh, looks like someone is cheesed off!!!!

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 10:04 am EST

Lol Mess. You're right. As I've made some cracks in the past about charity posts and the like, I do believe I've been hypocritical. Here's something Ranger-related that came to me yesterday, but its intentionally vague. We weren't the only ones speculating on the Booegard situation, but I heard it wasn't Gabby involved but another now ex-NYR. and I'd have to say in retrospect, with some of the things that transpired , it makes perfect sense.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:50 am EST

Say, I hear the off topic wall is a great place to exchange recipes!

Messier11


Fri Sep 12 2014 9:29 am EST

Any suggestions on the best links to view tonights Ranger kids?...... For all you gindalunes & wannabees, The Feast of San Gennaro has begun and partaking in Little Italy in NYC. Getting hungry boys? Rabbit, no Olives ?

mf


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:52 am EST

DuClair says he added 10 'good' lbs. Man I tried a piece of sharp white cheddar yesterday, out of this world! Mozzarella, prosciutto peppers oul & vinegar on good bread - and a cold one, or two or three. Thatll be me sometime tonight, slobbering over my computer watching Traverse highlights. You guys are gettin me hungry!

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:39 am EST

Sharp, aged cheddar over here. Please and thank you.

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:38 am EST

Im a fresh mozzarella person. So versatile. Great on pizza. Or with a tomato and a little EVOO or add a piece of bread and some basil. MMMMM sorry if I'm late on the subject. Have a good weekend boys

KIS


Fri Sep 12 2014 8:24 am EST

A decent overview of the Traverse City tourney on Hockey Future's site; http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/112079/2014-traverse-city-tournament-preview-host-red-wings-look-defend-2013-prospects-title/ Some interesting notes: The Canes lineup includes a favourite on here from last year: Sergei Tolchinsky. I think TD already mentioned it, but in terms of high end draft picks, the Sabres and BJs are leading the pack. No coincidence seeing as both clubs traded for extra picks in the past few drafts.

RF4L


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:53 am EST

Havent been able to say this since the finals ended. Game tonight! Sure its only the baby Rangers, but the shit matters. Let's see what Haggerty does, what Kevin Hayes does. A big tourney from some of these kids could grant them an extended look in camp. ESPN's Katie Strange will be blogging & tweeting from Traverse. Cheese; there's a direct link between the 27 lbs more we eat annually and obesity, the record number of bypasses and stents and clogged arteries. The answer? "Paulie! More wine!" It sandblasts your viens.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 12 2014 7:37 am EST

Always love some of the occassional small talk that we get here on The Wall! Now, I've learned about the origin of Jeser Fast's name (cool) and any discussion about cheese is always a good one. Agree with Hospo about pecorino romano....especially grated for pasta...the sheep's milk gives it a completely unique taste. As for straight-to-the-mouth cheese, nothing better than grana padana or parmeggiano reggiano....or for a non-Italian cheese, manchego (Spain....also sheep's milk). Now I'm hungry!!

JFC31


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:25 am EST

On the jersey

Ola


Fri Sep 12 2014 12:24 am EST

Rabid- Apparantly it was always without the H in the registers. Fast in Swedish means "firm" or non liquid or whatever, there was a time though many liked to add a H at the end to have a name with meaning sound more like a name. Anyway, I think it was silly to dump the H if nothing else.

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 11:20 pm EST

Well, if we're soon' grating cheeses, not argument on Locatelli. But the sliced cheese & cracker cheeses ( the kind that go with pepperoni & soppressatta )man, they're coming out fast & furious, huge sections full in stores. Still tough to beat a good, sharp provolone. Quick cheese stat; Americans in the 1950's ate 3 lbs of cheese per year. Now its 30!! I don't see Corsi & Fenwick telling you that!!! Speaking of sharp, if this team adds an ultra-sharp two-way center like Lindberg (as opposed to the incredible dullness of a Brad Richards) it can help all these pieces fit and transform this team.I'd say the same if Miller wins the 3C, it will be a fresh new, exciting look.The extra jump from either will be very noticeable IMO. And now with Malone, this will be 4 very solid lines, very versatile, a very solid D, and very solid goaltending. With a better PP, we're damn near dangerous.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:54 pm EST

MF -Pecorinio Romano, the best cheese on God's green earth! But it has to be Locatelli!!!......RABID - Just playin with ya...But, I also don't think Lindberger (hey Mo!) has a shot at the beginning of the season....SCHNEIDW - Don't think Pouliott was all that Fast.If Malone can skate like he did two years ago, he is more than fast enough...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:45 pm EST

Rabbit, Pecorino Romano is gonna have to turn a lot of heads to make the squad........

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:45 pm EST

J Moore: He has shown very impressive skill and had a solid playoff, especially with a quick first outlet pass... He also exhibited some more aggressiveness and good positioning.... HOWEVER, at some point the potential has to translate into offensive production and I thought we sucked at times and was useless when given power play time... he shot is limp and inaccurate and he did not execute well at all on setting up plays... I think NYRs are concerned that he may not develop enough to keep around after this year... hence the 1 year contract... I like the kid and he just turned 23YO which is the age of several key NY prospects... so there is time. BUT he needs to add offense...I would like to see him join the rush more often...

schneidw


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:39 pm EST

MALONE- LIke the concept of Malone but think the 35YO version is not close to the prime player... hope I am wrong...He can help the second power play unit but I think he belongs on the 4th line... Coach V liked speed on the LW to initiate the forecheck... I am concerned Malone will be a step slow....

schneidw


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:27 pm EST

Lindberg dammit Hospo. If you can list the Cosmetic Queen Jesper Fast (h - until he actually petitioned a court to delete the h so he'd sound cool; how incredibly gay) I can keep hollering Lindberger, who is twice the player (though he faces stiff competition for the 3C).

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:13 pm EST

JFC - I think we all feel the same about Malone..Persoanlly, I think SATHER had had good off-season fighting the cap situation and making some good vet signings..The team is to a point where a good vet and ready kid can be on the bench or in the minors..Say for example Nash-Step-Kid K; MZA-Brass-Malone; Hags-Miller/Lomb (my choice)-St. Louis.; Glass-Moore-Miller (my choice)/Lomb/Stemp..and with kis like Fast an Hayes chomping at the bit....Maybe there will be a trade..Or they stay patient and have the depth for injuries that will happen...Good situation all around

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:59 pm EST

Thats ok York. Pretty sure Im thinking of Bob Errey.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:51 pm EST

I like the pick-up of Malone....really a no-lose situation for the Rangers. He's got all the ingredients of a big, bruising forward we've been lacking for quite a while. I agree with Yprk....if this guy has his shit together and is motivated, he'll replace Poo with no problem. Honestly, Poo surprised me with how well he did, but he really wasn't all that....it was just the surprise and the chemistry with a Brass-Zucc...the stats? Meh. I'm guessing Malone will get a taste on the right side of Zucc-Brass in camp to see of it works. Really looking forward to,this preseason....last one was a bit chaotic and we weren't ready for the season. This year, I think we'll come out strong.

JFC31


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:46 pm EST

Rabid truth is I don't even remember him in pitt. I do barely remember him in.hartford. the only reason being that team was stacked and still sucked and choked and that was his final season on the team

York18


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:36 pm EST

I can't say malone was on my radar the last couple years. I remember the huge contract he signed with tampa and thought at that time wish we could have gotten him but for less money. This is the player fans have begged for a guy who can score and has a nasty streak. If he finds his game he's our lucic. He is motivated and that's a player I want on this team. Malone will have people saying pouliote who?..........Rabid malones dad was a former nhl player

York18


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:25 pm EST

getting very excited about the upcoming season. so many possibilities but that only means good things will happen. Another thing that is awesome is that the Flyers farm team opens their new complex in allentown PA. very close to where Pa/ez and I live. gonna go see the wolfpack the first month of the season. Unfortunately the dumb fuck of my relative Pa wont be making it to the game because he will be imitating the rolling stones. The old fuck has a gig that night and wont make the hockey game. What an ass. I'll tell you boys all abut the game. Taking my son and daughter.

KIS


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:12 pm EST

Greg Malone?. Very vaguely remember a different Malone in Pitt, maybe before Mario even, the Larouche days. Did he wear one of those stupid white neckbraces guys used to use? Most of my memories from then are faded pretty bad LOL. I do remember Jimmy Rutherford in net (Detroit?). Now hes an old gm ha. Luit was one of the new breed. Now hes Malones agent.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 6:58 pm EST

I can't say malone was on my radar the last couple years. I remember the huge contract he signed with tampa and thought at that time wish we could have gotten him but for less money. This is the player fans have begged for a guy who can score and has a nasty streak. If he finds his game he's our lucic. He is motivated and that's a player I want on this team. Malone will have people saying pouliote who?..........Rabid malones dad was a former nhl player

York18


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:45 pm EST

And I forgot Hags on that left side, which is why I dont see St Louis except 3rd line RW. And thatd put Malone with Step-Nash or Brass-Zuc.unless Hagelin goes into the Top 6 and Malone backs up. Malone-Lindberg-St Louis dounds interesting to me, but Im the only one im pretty sure.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:37 pm EST

NHL announces rules changes for 2014-15 season..... http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=730215&cmpid=rss-News

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:15 pm EST

On Malone signing, couldnt be happier. Funny thing is I've batted this around with friends for 3-4 years, the notion of acquiring him. I always felt Sather had an eye on him because mean 6-4 guys that can score are so rare.my Friends thought he was too old, too injury-prone, and this was before he got pinched. But in reading some background stuff, you find out this guy is a rink rat, his dad worked for the Pens as an equipment man or something, IDK. Then you see Malone say he was working out for two months before McDonagh & Step, how contrite he is, fearful even, its a sharp bit of bargain hunting by Esther IMO. Everyone saw a drug bust and a guy fading, with just 11 goals his last 82 games.Sather saw an opportunity to grab SOMEONE, if a Lucic is running around like he owns the rink, to bust him in the chops. And that Malone will do cause he's nasty prick when he wants to be. Nor do I think this by is slated for 4th line minutes. He's in the top 9 right off IMO, probably top 6 if all goes well. Playing with our playmakers, I also don't see how he doesn't regain some of his scoring touch. Now if AV tries to move Nash to LW (which I'm totally against) in order to get MSL into the top 6, well the good news is our left side is positively HUGE, with Kreider, Nash, Malone, and Glass. That'd offset the midgets we have on the right LOL.Who knows, a million line combos likely in our future. But I'm glad they locked this guy in. We needed some toughness top 9, we needed a pointman, now all we need is kid or two to show theyre ready, add more young legs'and push the vets. This team can be better than last year.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 4:02 pm EST

Fontenella. Or Manchego.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 3:31 pm EST

No...Roquefort....

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 3:01 pm EST

Lindberg.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:54 pm EST

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24705397/ryan-malone-gets-second-chance-agrees-to-terms-with-rangers

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:46 pm EST

Hospo, you got me good before, touchee'.. :-) ... As for our lineup, I'm stoked! We have a nice mix of Vets, Kids, & youngins coming into their prime... The list is impressive & offers the coaches lots of looks to throw at the opposition, combo's, and patchwork in case of injuries :G: Lundquist/Talbot,6 D: MCD,Girardi, Staal, D.Boyle, Klein,JMoore,14 Forwards: Glass, DMoore, JTMiller, K.Hayes, R.Malone, Lombardi, Stempniak, Hagelin, Brassard, Zucc, MSL, Kreider, Stepan, Nash...... and this doesn't account for any kids having a stellar camp......... OAN, only 2 RHS forwards though... I don't recall much dialogue here about how a defense may or must adjust when playing against lines with 2 or 3 RHS forwards are on it, OR, what the optimal combination of RHS & LHS on a given line would be.... If any of you Hockey Lords cared to chime in on this, there's got to be more than one clueless jackass (me) that may find it insightful.... Thanx

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:31 pm EST

I hadn't realized how consistent MALONE was between 2005 and 2011....But, Like LOMBARDI he is also coming back from a few down NHL years..If we hit on one or both of these players, it will make the Rangers a more complete and very dangerous team,I'm up for it..

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:05 pm EST

No other way to look at the MALONE signing than that it's good. If he sucks wind in camp, he's bolsters Hartford. If he can get back to where he was three years ago, we've got EXACTLY the player the Rangers have lacked for so many years.

tdchi


Thu Sep 11 2014 2:02 pm EST

MF - I don't keep up on those things but didn't HAYES sign a 900K-1 mill one-way contract also...,,MALONE if he has his shit together could defiantly be a good add on the 3rd or 4th line...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:55 pm EST

Very Happy Day! The MALONE signing is making me smile. NY Ranngers just added Size, Toughness, and a very Hungry, Desperate Player. Today is a Good Day!! :-)

hipcheck


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:44 pm EST

Jimmy The Cap-Geek showin $482,000 of Cap Space... Kosta, Hunwick, & Mueller sent down frees up $1,850,000 = $2,332,200... then subtract the $89,167 which is the cost to promote JT Miller and send down Fasth, and your Net Cap Room is $2,243,033..... Plenty of money to sign Malone & trade enough away to Ottawa where we can carry $3.1mill of Bobby Ryans salary & the Senators only have to eat $2mill for this season... As Flip Wilson would say, "here come's the Cup!"

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:36 pm EST

Hartford will be good this year:-)

puckyou


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:36 pm EST

http://capgeek.com/rangers/

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:34 pm EST

Shorely you see plenty of trade fodder for , Bobby Ryan.. ;-)

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:34 pm EST

Cap sitiuation: http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/read-where-things-stand-now-that-ryan-malone-has-signed/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

puckyou


Thu Sep 11 2014 1:30 pm EST

Gonna be some camp..Probably alot of quick cuts and then let the real candidates battle....The way I see it..8 guys for 4 spots ---1C and 1LW on the top 3 lines, 1W on a 4th line and 1 Black Ace (Yes, this is giving a spot to GLASS and his contract),,,Every day and night, MILLER, FAST, HAYES, LINDBERG,LOMBARDI,MALONE, STEMP, maybe BUELLER will be fighting for their spot...Everybody else should be sent down before any pre-season games....I'm going with the three vets and MIller as the winners..

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 12:32 pm EST

Rangers sign Malone. 2-way, 700k

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 11:15 am EST

I still might, and quit calling me Shorely!

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 11:02 am EST

Shorely, I figured you were gonna strike me. ;-) ...........

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:58 am EST

MF - You know, I contemplated the striked/struck choice for over 5 minutes before hitting SPRAY!!! Oh well, wrong again...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:56 am EST

AV sighting: he & staff watching prospects before they leave for Traverse. We're getting close. Tourney game tmrw. Camp opens next week (Thurs?). First televised preseason game following Monday. That was always traditional start for me, the first time we get to see them. A week & four days.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:55 am EST

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2014/09/11/9-11-new-york-rangers/15437845/

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:39 am EST

Most of the time the past participle of “strike” is “struck.

mf


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:23 am EST

And glad to see MOORE signed....Rangers have themselves a pretty decente top 6 that should be even better this year with Staal fully recovered and Klein with a year ubnder his belt in NY..I still think we can see better from him......Hopefully, Mcilrath is banging at the door and can provide the insurance and physical presence that will be needed at some point..Not so certain about Hunwick, ........and Kampher and Kostka,,Hell, even their names sound like they would be bad.:) (My man Dave Krapa!)...

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 10:05 am EST

RHET - you keep comparing GLASS to Boogaard and Rupp..To me, that makes zero sense, but, have at it..RUPP and BOOgaard (when we had them) were pylons who couldn't skate, could barely lay a hit except by accident...And you compare that to the the guy who baiscially lead the the NHL in hits for a forward? Played 13 mins and had defensive/PK responsibilities?..As for gauging him on what he did in Vancouver, good idea, and I guess that's why the Rangers signed him despite the outcry from us genuises on the net...As for the Blueshirt rag, I said he made some points..but they were already made in similar articles by the site..

Hospo


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:53 am EST

I don't think any pros care as much about their tax rate as do some on this board.

Messier11


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:39 am EST

I like that Sather made Moore signing his qualifying offer. Piss him off a bit, focus him, he needs it. Kid has been ok defensively, ok showing some edge, and we all know he can skate. But what's he gonna do with the puck? If he takes that leap, starts putting up real points, then he's a player. If not, he's just another 3rd pairing guy IMWO.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:31 am EST

Rhet: I think it was you that mentioned the Rangers made a mistake with getting Moore for just a year. Perhaps Moore and his agent were trying to get like 5 years at 2.5 per, with a NMC knowing that if they couldn't they would have ARB eligibility next season and are betting he is better this year than last. Its a risk, but agents and players have been known to play like that. If that is the case (and we will probably never know) that the Rangers made the right move. If not I agree, seems like a poor decision.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:29 am EST

Rhet- Hehe, but like imagine if you are a kid today. Kovalev played for the Soviet Union and Dynamo Moscow when they were still a powerhouse, he was the first Russian to win the Cup, he has played in like 7 OGs, CCs and World Cups, he has scored a ton of goals and pts and played a ton of games in the NHL, and so forth. I get your point, he is no Gretzky II, but he has been around a while. It must be pretty cool for the kids to be around him in these informal skates.

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:17 am EST

and I forgot to mention the most important part, which you alluded to Hospo. The Rangers were trying to recoup some of what they lost in Brian Boyle by signing Glass, the hits especially, the PKing, and the shot-blocks. That he throws down and can SKATE and fits with what AV wants, and is a player he's familiar with, all makes the signing sensible IMO. But these nitwits who bash Glass never seem to cite that, even though they're the same geeks who have to ask Corsi & Fenwick what they think about everything before they can form an opinion. All this rude welcoming until the first time Glass drives someone into the boards, of course; then they'll all be fans.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 9:12 am EST

This Glass-bashing thing has been simmering in me all summer. I've never seen a player raked over the coals liked this before his blades even touched the ice. For one, there was competition for his services ("The Rangers, along with the Maple Leafs, have called about UFA forward Tanner Glass. (News 1130)"). In fact, I havent seen anyone mention this, but kudos to the front office when it came to beating out Toronto for players; they were after Dan Boyle too. HOSPO, what you said about internet dweebs is spot on. That's where this has been coming from, non-stop. The Blueshirt Banters of the world, nothing but 2nd & 3rd hand vomit. Now they even suggest the Rangers are looking to sign Malone to force Glass out of the lineup - after they gave him a 3-year deal and hasnt fucking skated a shift! It's atrocious. Reminds of when I'd go to games and see some drunk wearing a Ranger jersey, God lov'em for being fans and all, but utterly frickin' clueless. The difference now is everyone has keyboards! These clueless kids in their mommas basement are high alright, on freaking interconnectivity.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:38 am EST

OLA... If I'm that old, I guess that makes me... a... Legend :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 11 2014 7:37 am EST

Hospo.... A valid point is still a valid point and statistics are still statistics, it doesn't matter the age or location of the person making them. Boogard and Rupp we paid twice as much as they made the prior year to make them Rangers when we were in competition with no one. Glass should've been making less than what he made with his prior seasons rather than more. The Penguins weren't bringing him back and we were again in competition with no one. If we pad Glass less, we could've given John Moore a 2 year deal and avoided arbitration next season. Also, I know you're infatuated with his stats as a Penguin, but like I always say you can't just plug in stats from another team and assume they'll be the same when we trade for/sign a player. We need to look at his stats when playing under AV and his system in Vancouver for a more accurate read and they are not so impressive.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:43 am EST

Rhet0ric- Kovalev is a legend, you are just too old... ;)

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 5:42 am EST

Hospo- I agree on Glass. I mean, he is a goon. A heavyweight. Among them, he is an avg player. Defensively probably even a bit above avg. He can PK a bit etc.

Ola


Thu Sep 11 2014 12:45 am EST

RHET - Really?? on another Blah Blueshirt Banter fan piece by some 17 year old against Glass? Seemed like a bunch of warmed over regurgitation to me..Kinda like my stuff here......Not that he's not right on some points about Glass..The guy is limited..What 4th liner isn't?..We all know GLASS was overpayed..He basically is replacing Dorsett.....But I will trust AV over some Internet dweeb in why he wanted the forward that was 3rd in the entire NHL in hits despite being a 4th liner and will provide the Rangers with their only source of toughness on their forward lines..Perhaps the Rangers could have found a better hard nosed tough player for the 4th line, but the type of player was and is desperately needed...Not a Jasper Fasth.....And to compare him to the Stemp signing is idiotic....Again, Sather overpaid for Glass yes but they knew they were gonna need his every shift toughness..so they signed him quick.....Stemp OTOH was a great late low cost high reward signing by Sather at the end of FA--Some GMs have striked gold with these type of signings the last few years

Hospo


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:54 pm EST

So 6 of Rangers first 9 games are in NY area, counting one @ NJ. After camp at Greenberg and preseason games against locals like Philly (they go as far as Chicago), that's a far cry from Banff and a torture tour of western powerhouses.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:43 pm EST

Again, the point being, you take less to play in NY because that's where you're happiest or.... you take the most money and shut up. IMO, $16 mil over 4 years for Stralman was too much. I'm glad he passed. Also, I don't know what the hell the Lightning were thinking.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:34 pm EST

Great news about the J.MOORE signing!!! This kid has a serious ceiling, love watching him skate. Keep an eye on that developing mean-streak too, he went after WEISE with a vengeance in the ECF!!

hipcheck


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:24 pm EST

I was close! We'll have to deal Stepan+ for Stamkos next year, get him in here before he becomes UFA like they did with Cally, get him acclimated. Half-kidding but the TB-NYR pipeline is alive and well, Malone just the latest.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:23 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-marc-staal-talk-extension-article-1.1935686

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:09 pm EST

On a $4.5mill per/yr salary an athlete would pay an additional $289,035 on the 41 home games played in NYC than in ANY state with no income tax... FL. TX. Washington State & possibly Washington D.C.... Nevada?

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:06 pm EST

RR: I think the tax consequence is approx $192,690 additional playing in NYCity vs Florida on a $3mill p/y salary... It equates to 12.846% on $1,500,000 (41 home games)...... we kicked this topic around a few months ago, "the jock tax" where athletes are subject to other States & City's income tax while playing on the road

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 10:48 pm EST

So, MF, with my gorilla math....sounds like paying tax on NY money @ $3m per vs. No tax on TB @ $4.5 is roughly $1.75 difference per year? Not that it matters, he was gone anyway, but that's pushing what, 8-10m (difference) over the life of his deal? We're going to have a tough time signing Stamkos LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 10:17 pm EST

Stralman was never getting $4.5 mill from Slather & he signed in a state with 0% State Income Tax: What an opportunity to revisit income tax brackets in the great State of NY: STATE:New York: 8.97% on income over $500,000.... New York City: $18,000 (plus a little change) up to $500,000 & then 3.876% of every dollar > $500K...... This is only for Home Games.....

mf


Wed Sep 10 2014 9:31 pm EST

The other thing that makes Stralman's claim kind of hollow is, if he really wanted security No.1, then Rangers offered him 3yrs/9m in January, and he turned it down, thinking he could get more. And he did, just not here. We should all be so financially insecure. But as remember it, Sather only added a year in their final offer, $12m/4yrs, $3m per. I could be wrong but too lazy to check right now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:41 pm EST

Stralman has a legit annoyance if you will, but his ultimate gripe should be with his agent for misreading the situation. Sather was fixated on Dan Boyle for two years, and rightly so, we HAD to have a point man. But Stralman's agent should have read the tea leaves as I understand it. Had they accepted the Rangers initial offer, one of Boyle or Stralman would've moved to the 3rd pair and Sather would have looked to move Klein, who makes almost exactly what they offered Stralman, $3m a year.I can see Stralman being upset, as he thought it was a negotiation, and the Rangers never came back to him and Boyle's signing was announced. But once Stralman signaled he was looking for more, Sather walked away, coldly. That's the way it goes. His agent obviously had been talking to other teams, because he was locked with TB within hours on July 1st. And the money Sather saved there, maybe 250k, maybe more, gave them a tiny bit of breathing room and makes it possible to sign a guy like Malone, at least in part.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:16 pm EST

Good article on the Tanner Glass signing not making any sense with all the subsequent signings we've made. Why do we always overpay for these guys when they don't even play every day? http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/10/tanner-glass-signing-starting-seem-really-strange/

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:02 pm EST

Anton Stralman needs to STFU. He has been whining to the media that he's angry with the NYR's for letting him walk in Free Agency. Is this guy out of his cotton-picking mind? Does he know how cap economics work these days? If you want to stay on a contender, you have to be prepared to take less than you'd get on the open market. The Rangers offered him 3-4 years at $4 mil per year (per Brooks) and it wasn't enough for him and his agent made a counter offer. The Rangers then passed. He needs to get over it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:42 pm EST

The Rangers were pennywise and pound foolish with John Moore's deal today. Judging by comps, He should've gotten between $1.1-1.3 on a 2-year deal. Which would've been a bargain next season. Moore will have arbitration rights next season and he will probably cost twice as much (as $1.3). Even if one of the prospect defensemen are ready next season, having Moore signed at a more attractive number would've made him even more attractive on the trade front.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:35 pm EST

Chin/KIS.... You both really need to re-read the thread and not read into it. No one said any players sold drugs to anyone. The guy(Jordan Hart) who sold drugs to Boogard was arrested yesterday. Reportedly, Boogard went to teamates to see if he could find a guy that could get him some percocet. A NY Ranger from the 2010-11 team gave him that said guys name. That is all. We were speculating on who the player might have been. We are fans(which I remind you is short for fanatics), speculating is what we do. IMO, I doubt that player even get's suspended. Also, I never said anything about Gabby.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 10 2014 6:03 pm EST

Oh please chin. Give it a rest. No one said anything like that. Read the thread before you freak out.

tdchi


Wed Sep 10 2014 3:42 pm EST

Is being a diehard Ranger fan a sin? Maybe to some it is. Not to me tho. It is sometimes, however, a curse!!!

RF4L


Wed Sep 10 2014 3:24 pm EST

Moore-1 yr, 850k

puckyou


Wed Sep 10 2014 12:48 pm EST

Chin, you are 100% spot on. I should have read a little before ranting.

KIS


Wed Sep 10 2014 12:47 pm EST

Not that I wanted to come back on this note but to guess as to who supplied Boogaard with the drugs is nonsense. This society as gotten to involved in everybody elses business. Everybody needs to be righteous and be the first to expose dirt on somebody. We don't need to know so much info whether its persona; or governmental or a star. I hate that so many are so quick to judge and throw a stone when they live in a glass house them self. Not trying to get religious but who here is without sin.

KIS


Wed Sep 10 2014 12:23 pm EST

Its not right to insinuate Gaborik had anything to do with this Boegard business. But if they arrested him in April or May we probably win the Cup!

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:58 am EST

The insinuation of some here that Gaborik was the "supplier" for Boogaard, even if it ends up being true (which I doubt, but I know as much as the rest of you, which is nothing) is so beyond over the line and ridiculous it makes me legitimately angry. Oh, they were friends! Oh, Gabby had injuries and maybe got some painkillers! Yup, that's just about good enough reason to basically imply he's guilty of manslaughter. Just silly, negligent comments, and spare me the "it's just an opinion and that's what this board is for". Nope, not for indicting or trying to imply dudes are connected to very serious offenses with no proof whatsoever. "Rant over".

chinstrap


Wed Sep 10 2014 11:07 am EST

Step back on ice today; Staals agent says theyre tslking.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 8:34 am EST

MSG sucks balls for not carrying the games, again. Meant to say not feeds but the highlight packages for other teams were often longer & uploaded faster last year. Some had better angles too. Buffalo only did radio last year, same this year. MSG should spend the time finding a replacement for Rosen, that disgusting corporate hack. Cant stand the sight or sound of him. It should be Kenny Albert. Im feelin ornery today; feels like hockey weather and Ive got the urge to give somebody a two-hander.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:53 am EST

Last year I think the Sabres camp was broadcast. Real great of MSG to again shut out the prospect camp and give us these ridiculous clips.

tdchi


Wed Sep 10 2014 7:51 am EST

Did Sean Avery get busted for his international drug ring yet?

RDW


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:12 pm EST

Also on Traverse, Buffalo had radio feed on their site last year, will again. So NYR play Sabres Saturday, can listen. And apparently someone from Detroit uploaded Wings games to youtube last year, not sure which day we play them.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 10:58 pm EST

BlueshirtsUnited will have Traverse highlights after games, starting Friday. Zippay also mentioned live updates on the site, probably a ticker. As of a few days ago, couldn't find a live stream from any of the NYR opponents, but maybe one will pop up.and a few times last year, the opposition feed was longer and posted faster than the Rangers. Rhet, me too but Id bet Step will feel better if he doesn't skate tomorrow haha.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:12 pm EST

Rabid... That's one of the negatives of Twitter. Ankles can be tricky, especially if there's a lot of swelling. I'd feel better if he was skating tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:11 pm EST

Rabid... That's one of the negatives of Twitter. Ankles can be tricky, especially if there's a lot of swelling. I'd feel better if he was skating tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:55 pm EST

Well that sounds worse than the tweet I saw earlier but if they say he's fine, great. Two years ago Step had his whole 2nd half ruined by same thing. Cant have enough depth.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:36 pm EST

MF.... We may know more tomorrow.... Zipay had this to say today.... "Play stopped as Stepan stayed down on his knees for a minute or two, then skated off without putting weight on the foot and limped into the locker room. He did not return, but the sense is, a team spokesman said, that he is fine. It is unclear if he'll skate Wednesday. Stepan had been training in Minnesota, so he could decide to take a break to be sure he is ready for camp, which begins Sept. 18." ....Docjay.... It was reported today that "Johnson never examined or diagnosed Hart for any injuries or illnesses, but regularly wrote him prescriptions for Percocet from June 2009 to July 2011, sources said. In turn, Hart sold some of the prescription pills to the painkiller addicted Boogaard."

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:14 pm EST

Step left under his own power MF. Didnt sound too terrible.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 7:17 pm EST

Any updates on STEPAN ?

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 6:08 pm EST

i treat many patients with chronic pain at the ny veterens hospital narcotics are very effective and in some cases life saving we dont know all the details on this case but its possible the physicians assisstant was duped by a malingering unscrupulous patient this can happen to even the most diligent and caring health care providers . i would rather err on the side of relieving pain than being overly restrictive and denying opiates to those who require them and im talking about non terminal patients with severe degerative arthritic pain as to the marijuana argument lets not mix apples and oranges, thats a different issue and truthfully there are drugs that are fda approved such as marinol that mimic many of marijuanas therapeutic benefits.

docjay


Tue Sep 9 2014 5:40 pm EST

RR: Nah. Tripod was moved to the Ducks the year before Boo signed.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 5:23 pm EST

Well I'm not going to indict Gaborik until the prosecutor does, but I will say what I said for years, which is I could never come to grips with how a guy could be such a demon one night and complete non-entity the next. And wasn't Voros on that team? They were a little clique as I remember it.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 5:01 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Nah..I guess what I'm trying to say is if the reason they're going after these guys is to STOP this practice, then I've got no problem...but if it's just because of BOOGAARD...or if they're trying to press manslaughter charges or something like that...there's where my issue begins...I know at least in NY the script craze is starting to diminish...and it's coinciding almost exactly with the rise in heroin addiction...It's just such bullshit that these pills are able to be prescribed period, when we have politicians that rail on about being tough on drugs...and as we're arming our narcotics squads like paramilitary forces...I just see this as another example of the law talking from both sides of the mouth...Condone docs giving the stuff out like candy...then bust people when they abuse the system.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:55 pm EST

Rhet0ric/CM - Ditto..I can't believe that...so young.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:43 pm EST

Really sad day with the passing of Bob Suter at age 57. Great guy and one of the best men I had the pleasure of working with. Absolutely shocked by this news. Ryan Suter loved his dad and he must be devastated.

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:38 pm EST

So long Bob Suter, Thank you for your part of the Miracle on Ice. You will be missed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:24 pm EST

mf - Hate to be the reoccurring bubble burster here...but I simply can't see the Sens trading RYAN nor can I see the Rangers acquiring him. The Sens aren't in a rebuild...they're in a retool...they've got a defense that's young and pretty nasty...some of their guys(COWEN for instance) have taken a little longer to mature than I think they thought...but when things start clicking, watch out...Up front, it's only a matter of time until ZIBANEJED starts popping goals...The got CHAISSON now who's solid and of course, the maturing Kyle TURRIS..and then LEHNER in net...I really don't think they'll move Ryan...and if they do, it's going to be for a proven player(s) who is(are) under contract...and they ain't going to be picking up any salary...

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 4:06 pm EST

TD.... I agree with a lot of what you say, but he died from drugs he bought illegally NOT from the drugs that were prescribed to him. The guys who broke the law shouldn't go to jail?

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:50 pm EST

One of the reasons BOOGAARD was supposedly brought to the Rangers was because GABORIK spoke so highly of him. Gaborik, ye of many surgeries. Ye of the NHL. Ye formerly of the Rangers...

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:46 pm EST

Bah...such nonsense...Like I said, if you're going to arrest these clowns in connection with his death...meaning the charges stem from his death....then go back and arrest all the stupid quacks who started prescribing him pain killers...I've had some pretty nasty surgeries before(see: bone marrow transplant) and I tell you what...the only thing the pain killers and morphine did for me was make me loopy. Had to gut through it. Booze and weed helped a bit, but the narcotics were worthless...didn't do squat. Later in life I happened into some oxycotin for recreational use...that was a one-time sample...won't ever touch that garbage again...docs prescribing these kind of pain killers to hockey players of all people...I can understand pansy prima donna football, basketball and baseball players...but hockey? The guys who invented tough? Sad that a guy like Boogaard is getting hooked on opiates to begin with...but that was the MO of US doctors for decades...sell out to big Pharma...overprescribe...give Americans the drugs they've craved since prohibition...dial up the narcotics...let them go through life like zombies. Was it criminal? Yeah sure. Morally. Nothing illegal about it because everyone was doing it...everyone IS doing it. Tweak an ingredient here, rebrand it there...put it back on the market and prescribe it before the FDA can figure out how hopelessly addicted people will get on it. Such bullshit. And yet meanwhile, I'm paying taxes this month to help the DEA and state police "eradicate" a naturally growing plant rightly called weed. It's all a bullshit shell game. They make arrests so they can pretend they're solving the problem they created. Rant over.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:39 pm EST

I may owe Sean Avery an apology. The rumor I just head said that it's a former NY Ranger that is still playing in the NHL. Bit of a shocker to me.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 3:38 pm EST

Per Katie Strang.... A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's office declined to comment on whether they will pursue charges against that player (NY Ranger player).

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:54 pm EST

WILD... Sad to say that was the first guy I thought of as well. If I remember correctly, he and Boogard were also friends. I'm sure we'll find out for sure who it was in the coming days.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:47 pm EST

The Ambien had been prescribed by the New York Rangers, but not the Percocet. Boogaard began asking Rangers teammates if they had Percocet connection. According to the indictment, a teammate agreed to look for a source and asked Hart if he would supply Percocet to Boogaard...... http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26487173/2-arrests-in-death-of-former-wild-player-derek-boogaard

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:46 pm EST

Rhet: Just saw that. Not much to really go on to guess who that may be...but one player does come to mind. Went from playing regular minutes to basically being tossed aside...playing a whopping 15 games in the NHL the next season, waived 3 or 4 times in a few months and spent time in the AHL before he was cut loose and he "retired" Im speaking of Avery of course. The falling out between him and the team was dramatic, and everyone blamed Torts...maybe he had nothing to do with it, but it would account for the narrative going how it eventually did.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:21 pm EST

Per Katie Strang.... Indictment also details an unidentified Rangers player on 2010-11 team helped facilitate illegal Rx drug purchase between Boogaard and Hart

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:15 pm EST

And in unrelated breaking news, Ray Rice has hired Dennis Potvin to appeal his suspension....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:13 pm EST

I dont remember the particulars of Booegards case, but this goes back to 2011. Not what Id call swift justice. But whoever broke the law should pay.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:51 pm EST

Take the f_ckin Percosets, and drop them via little parachutes with some of TD's ice cold PBR's all over Iraq, Syria, the Ukraine and any other hot spots, and watch how many lives are saved... :-) ...... Boogaard RIP big guy .....

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:50 pm EST

And in a return to "old time hockey" while practicing team D in the defensive zone there was a sighting Kamensky dangling at the opponent's blue line......

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:47 pm EST

Do we need to exhume old bodies while I'm attempting to put together a trade that will likely not happen? geez!, Now, we have $1,332,500 in Cap Room, we send down Hunwick, Kostka, Mueller, clears another $1850,000, trade JT Miller frees up $894,167 = grand total of ... $4,076,667 .... Then we subtract my proposed salary of $976,667 for John Moore, should leave us with $3,100,000 for Bobby Ryan, Ottawa eats $2 million for this year of which we account for in our trade..... Bring Home Da Cup ! :-)

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:47 pm EST

I wouldn't discount Kovalov making the team as an AV favorite given that he probably led the lead in puck possession time (until he turned it over!). LOL.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:45 pm EST

If memory serves correct, wasn't Gerry Hart the queen of NY (Chiefs?) roller derby in the 50s? ")

Ranger47


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:35 pm EST

Per the NY Post...... Johnson never examined or diagnosed Hart for any injuries or illnesses, but regularly wrote him prescriptions for Percocet from June 2009 to July 2011, sources said. In turn, Hart sold some of the prescription pills to the painkiller addicted Boogaard.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:09 pm EST

Hope Stepan hasn't suffered a fracture, carrying 14 players not so terrible after all…... Well, one of our "only two" RHS just got knocked off the ice. Still feel we have the depth for a trade..... Obviously my “Bromance” for this year has been Bobby Ryan "IF" we can negotiate a contract extension prior to the trade.... The trade would need to be structured where Ottawa would eat some of Bobby Ryan’s salary for this year: Ryan’s got the goods: can play just about anywhere in your top 9 in a pinch, is a RHS, big enough to play physical, 27 years of age "prime-time" ....... If we could get him signed between $6.5 & $7mill, I'd say we have a Cup Contender on our hands... (on a side note, if we can stay healthy throughout & have Malone in the line-up, I think we're a top six team in the league) .....In no particular order our forwards: KREIDER, STEPAN, NASH, MSL, ZUCC, BRASSARD, MALONE, HAGELIN, LOMBARDI, STEMPNIAK, D.MOORE, T.GLASS, "BOBBY RYAN" ....... .... Think I'd offer Ottawa like 4 players & anyone NOT named: Duclair, Haggerty, Skeji, Buchnevich, Kevin Hayes, ..... Available: JTMiller, McIlrath, Kristo, Connor Allen, Lindberg, etcetera...... These players are all in a tight range age group appropriate for Ottawa’s rebuilding... I'd like to keep Jesper Fasth & Kevin Hayes, liked what I saw in Fasth last PO's & he's a RHS, & with Hayes, I’d sit him down privately and ask him if he preferred to stay with us with reduced minutes & probably Hartford, or be traded to Ottawa where he may make the starting lineup, or to a team of his liking, even to Boston for maybe next year’s first & something like a 2nd in 2016... We can add what we get for Hayes in our trade with Ottawa to get Bobby Ryan only if we have to.... Then we're the “beasts of the East!”

mf


Tue Sep 9 2014 1:01 pm EST

Rabid... Johnson was not a physician of Boogard's. He prescribed 3,000 Percocet's to Hart in 2 years. At a minimum, that's 125 pills a month. Obviously, they were selling them. Boogard was getting Percocet's (from Hart) in addition to the multiple medications that were prescribed to him by his own doctors. Pills that his doctors knew nothing about. There's no scapegoating about it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:55 pm EST

Horrendous. Scapegoating. Argh.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:48 pm EST

Horrendous. Scapegoating. Argh.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:46 pm EST

Gary Hart & Donna Rice = Monkey Business, no? I am gettin' old!!

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:44 pm EST

Booegard thing is horrendoys all the way around. Sure seems like dcspegoating years later, but if Dr. was able to write scripts hes bound by law to do do responsibly & didnt. The NY Times series is one of the more brutal things Ive read, if anyone who doesnt already wants to understand what these guys go through. Itll make you sick.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:43 pm EST

The media is reporting that Jordan Hart is the son of ex-Islander Gary Hart but I think they mean Gerry Hart.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:32 pm EST

NHL.com posted its top 60 prospects...only Ranger to make the list was Kevin HAYES...some mention of SKJEI, DUCLAIR and BUCHNEVICH...But not much...List looks like a who's who of first round draft picks.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:22 pm EST

Doctors assistant Oscar Johnson has also been arrested. (Duke Castiglione) in connection to the overdose death of Derek Boogaard. Johnson is a physician’s assistant in Utah and was writing percocet prescriptions for Jordan Hart on a monthly basis for two years, totaling 3,000 pills. (Fox 5) Hart played in Utah for two seasons from 2007 to 2009 in the ECHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 12:13 pm EST

Hmm...interesting tact, re: BOOGAARD...Sort of like charging a gun dealer for selling the bullets for a piece used in a suicide...but power to 'em I guess. Why call it what it was, which was a tragedy? Nope. Gotta charge someone. Too bad they weren't able to charge all the docs that probably prescribed him narcotics half his life.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:55 am EST

Jordan Hart has been arrested in connection with the death of former Rangers winger Derek Boogaard. (Fox 5) Hart was supplying Boogaard with the painkillers that killed him. (Fox 5) He could face up to 20+ years in prison if convicted. (Fox 5)

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:44 am EST

Per Kevin McGran.... Arrests have been made in connection with the overdose death of @NYRangers player Derek Boogaard. Story to come.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 11:16 am EST

Great. The start of injury season, my favorite. Thst why gotta hope all these guys, kids & vets, are ready to fill a role on this team. Worst case a few of them wait in Hartford. No tellling what lies ahead.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 9 2014 10:38 am EST

SportsCenter..... BREAKING: Sabres owner Terry Pegula reaches tentative agreement to buy Bills, plans to keep team in Buffalo..... The Fourth Period.... Ottawa Senators :: Ryan, Senators pause contract talks.... http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/ott140909.html

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 10:32 am EST

Sean Hartnett..... NYR center Derek Stepan took a hard shot to his ankle, down for an extended time. Able to put weight on both legs off ice. Yet to return.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:53 am EST

New York Rangers.... Rick Nash and Tanner Glass have joined NYR informal workouts here at the MSG Training Center today

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:46 am EST

Good points made.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/its-time-for-hockey-to-ban-the-term-holdout/

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:32 am EST

FWIW - Rangers kids are playing a generally useless Stars' prospect team at 6 p.m. Friday. Not sure if it's televised, but kind of doubt it.

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:26 am EST

Just a primer on the Traverse City tourney...I can't see any other teams topping either the Jackets kids or Buffalo, which just released their roster...Between McCabe, Ristolainen, and Zadorov on D...Armia. Reinhart, Carrier and Lemieux's kid up front...that's gonna be a tough team to beat...Rangers' best hope is that their experience prevails over the talent of those two teams. Here's the Sabres' roster: Joel Armia Justin Bailey Nicholas Baptiste Joseph Blandisi William Carrier Daniel Catenacci Eric Cornel Colin Jacobs Michael Joly Vaclav Karbacek Justin Kea Brendan Lemieux Sam Reinhart Jack Rodewald Jordan Samuels-Thomas Defense Brady Austin Ryan MacKinnon Brycen Martin Jake McCabe Rasmus Ristoilainen Jared Walsh Nikita Zadorov Goalie Francios Brassard Andrey Makarov

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:26 am EST

Per Michael Russo.... Nino Niederreiter spurns KHL offer, closing in on re-signing with the Wild, says agent ....http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/274468151.html

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 9:00 am EST

Paging E and HamiltonHellHound...Paging E and HamiltonHellHound...guys...check you're email/Yahoo! mail....please respond, over...

tdchi


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:30 am EST

Did Gordie Clark and Glen Sather out-draft a potato? ...... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/did_gordie_clark_and_glen_sather_out_draft_a_potato/17239025

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 8:18 am EST

OLA.... Bobby Orr is a legend. Gordie Howe is a legend. Wayne Gretzky is a legend. Alexei Kovalev? Not so much.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 9 2014 6:58 am EST

Awsome! Ottawa will test "European style" standing supporter section for 10 games. http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=31305#&navid=OTT-search

Ola


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:56 am EST

BTW, I like Ovechkin's "No War" statement a lot.

Ola


Tue Sep 9 2014 2:47 am EST

Kovalev is a legend. That said, he won't play for us this year lol. I wouldn't mind him in camp, but there is no way he envision himself playing 100+ games in the NHL, he played like 30 games the last 2 years. I am sure he just want to push himself. It must be awsome for the kids to skate with him.

Ola


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:32 pm EST

I forgot patience. How could I forget patience when speaking of Alex? We have neither the time, room or patience. But I'd say this, just from Kovalev's perspective. If he really wanted back in to the NHL, Jed go into a camp and throw the body. He always had the ability to wallop people but it was never his style. But that he could still do & it'd compliment whatever skills he has left.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:22 pm EST

Yeah I realize that Nick LOL. YOu mean Alex never scored 50 goals/100 pts 6 years straight? I'm with you, no way I want to see Alexei IIII. Wemare in a TOTALLY different place and have no time, or room for him. Thing is, I wonder if he can't outplay some of the fringe guys we've brought in? I have to think that. And since he showed up more than one day, I know he was there again today at least, I think it is a semi-serious, under-the-radar thing. Sather's not going to tell him no he can't skate in informals. But I honestly can't say right now, is Malone or Stempniak better?Lombardi? Sure a guy like Malone brings a different element, but if Kovalev really worked his balls off to get in shape, it wouldn't stun me if he played somewhere (in the NHL). He's still a big moose with sick hands. I said that, think he looks at Jagr and thinks he can still contribute to a team. Surprised the hell outta me he's even there.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:09 pm EST

RR: You said "Guy Lafleur" and "Alex Kovalev" in the same sentence, without the phrase "different solar systems" in there anyplace. I fervently hope any AK talk is time-machine fantasy ...

Nick


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:09 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/rumor-roundup-what-will-the-senators-do-with-bobby-ryan-marc-methot/

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:12 pm EST

Cup loss haunts Lundqvist, but he likes Rangers’ chances in 2015..... http://nypost.com/2014/09/08/cup-loss-haunts-lundqvist-but-he-likes-rangers-chances-in-2015/

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:55 pm EST

Could be JFC. Then again, Kreider is all mighty LOL. That could be why it works, a different style, 6-3 speeding bullet no one can hit haha. depends, all on AV really. Those lines I threw out, Malone might look good on the 3rd with Lindberg (if) and MSL. and we know hags Has worked ok with Nash & Step. Could see a different lineup every night. And I agree with others I think Lombardi is in there, so not sure who comes out. Most would think Lindberg, but Ill wait and see.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:46 pm EST

RR - don't know if Kreider's north-south game will mesh well with Brass-Zucc who like to curl, create, cycle, etc. Not sure if Malone is a perfect fit either, but he does have a decent number of assists in each of his good seasons, so that's a good sign that he can dish it. I also like the size and the board work which I think worked pretty well with Poo. Malone at his best is even better on the boards than Poo. No way at all to know for sure who will fit with who but we'll see soon enough.

JFC31


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:27 pm EST

JFC, probably doesn't happen but Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello, Malone-Stepan-Nash, Hagelin-Lindberg-St Louis, Glass-Moore-Lombardi (Miller, Stempniak). Drop the puck!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:23 pm EST

Agreed RF. Knowing Sather, he probably had a very good idea where Malone was at not only from talking to him, but in having (his captain-to-be) McDonagh & Stepan skating with him over the summer. So maybe just a few days in person and they ink him. It's not like he doesn't have a track record, its just a question of health & fitness. And yeah, very glad to see & hear Malone's demeanor, just what you hope a guy would say. Also notice his frickin' neck is huge! Kevin Hayes is supposed to be 6-4, 6-5, but he walks by Malone and looks like a little kid LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:21 pm EST

Malone could be a great fit for Brassard & Zucc if he regains his old form and has the legs to keep up with them. He s got all the needed ingredients....good at getting the puck off the boards, goes hard to,the net, hits hard and causes turnovers.

JFC31


Mon Sep 8 2014 4:12 pm EST

Who knows if Malone will actually get signed (looks like it), actually make the team at one point (decent chance I think) and then get back to the semblance of what he once was (I've got no sense either way on that one). But I get the allure of him - if he can rediscover his game, then IMO he'll be a fabulous addition because he'll bring to the team what no one else can/does - a big menacing winger who can wreck havoc in the opposition's end AND score. The Rangers have some of both, but no who does both. He'd fit in on any of the top 3 lines if so. What I really like about his presser was this: "'Was there a fear that it was going to be over for you?, “Yea, it’s still there. It’s there until, I wouldn’t say anything until the season is over. You want to get on a team and prove yourself and take it from there. The fear is in the back of your mind and you need to believe in the hard work and preparation and all you can do is lay it on the line and see what happens.”"

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 3:47 pm EST

Can just see Sather signing Malone and Kovalev. Miller and Hayes will become best buds on Hartfords top line before bolting as free agents. Why isn't Pyatt in camp?

Messier11


Mon Sep 8 2014 3:47 pm EST

Brooks; "Malone is expected to sign a contract in the $675,000-$750,000 neighborhood within the next few days." And Malone had a bunch of remarks. Might as well post'em in case someone wants to read them; guy sounds contrite and ready to play; Ryan Malone skated with the Rangers today at their informal skate and then met with the media (Rangers) : -On other teams, “we have been contacted by a few teams. Here, is a great opportunity, a great team, young talent and last year, where they went, I would love to be part of it if that opportunity presents itself. I just wanted to come out here and show my face and see where that goes.” -How do you prove yourself, “I made a mistake and I need to admit that and luckily no one got hurt. It changed my life and my family life for the better. I would like to publicly apologize to Mr. Vinik and the TB organization. Mr. Vinik has done so much for the organization there. I wish them the best and the fans were great and I wish them the best and he is doing great things in TB.” -What would your role be, “someone with experience. That physical aspect of the game, using my size, playing simple and sticking up for my teammates. They signed Tanner Glass to fill that role so why not have a couple of more guys. I’m willing to do whatever it takes to be part of a winning organization.” -Have you seen the depth chart, “there is a lot of competition, I don’t like to look at it like that. I look at myself and try to bring my game and hopefully it fits into the roster somewhere. I will try and do what I do best and see what happens.” -Are there steps you need to take to sign a contract, “just being reinstated by the doctors and everybody was the one step that was needed and that happened a few days ago. It’s gone very well and very cooperative. I have learned from my mistake and am just looking for an opportunity to show that. I know the hockey world is a small world but my teammates and family know what kind of person that I am. I want to let everyone else know that.” -On his community service, “That is part of the case and I am not sure that I can talk about it.” -What shape are you in, “Good, healthy, I haven’t played hockey in a while and I was in Minnesota and joking with Step and Mac and they were just coming into the gym to start working out and I had been in there two months already. That is what happens when you play that long. I am in good shape, feeling well and did what I needed to do this summer to get ready.” -On the plan, “the plan is to just skate here and I was with Step and Mac in Minnesota and that camp ended so they told me to come out and I had been talking with Mr. Sather and we will see what happens here.” -Will something happen soon, “I would like to, just for a little security. This is the first time I have ever had to deal with this in my career, I have been lucky enough…I think it’s a good thing to realize how lucky I have been and it brings back that desperation and love of the game that you want to be part of something special. I don’t want to go out like how last season ended. This year is a big opportunity for myself to prove that.” -Was there a fear that it was going to be over for you, “yea, it’s still there. It’s there until, I wouldn’t say anything until the season is over. You want to get on a team and prove yourself and take it from there. The fear is in the back of your mind and you need to believe in the hard work and preparation and all you can do is lay it on the line and see what happens.”

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 1:07 pm EST

TDCHI - I understand the caution and concern..But the guy's game is his legs and speed...and he hasn't had one injury to his lower body....And I see no reason for him not to be able to fly again in the NHL..And the game has even open more which will be in his favor..As will being surrounded by good talented players...JMWO that if he is recovered from his shoulder woes we will see the player form before his injuries opening up the game for his line with his speed and passing..

Hospo


Mon Sep 8 2014 12:25 pm EST

Guy LaFleur took off 3 years then gave Rangers 18 goals, 45 pts. I wouldn't put it past Kovalev. At some point McDonagh won't be able to get the puck from him and theyll have to consider it LOL. Oy!

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 12:15 pm EST

Hospo - Four years is a LOOONG time for a player to be irrelevant in the NHL to suddenly come back and put up great numbers. Not saying it can't happen...but I'm just nowhere near convinced it will. I said when he was signed...that his success in the Swiss league shouldn't be seen as success in the NHL...Daugavins and Mueller both kicked ass over there too and neither did squat in the NHL the year before.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:47 am EST

Loving this Kovalev stuff even if it amounts to nothing!....3rd line--Hags-Lombardi-Kovalev..:)...If healthy, and there is no indication he is not, no reason LOMBARDI can't put up one of his better years with speed out the yin yang, 40-50 points, PKing and taking 800 FO's and winning 50%..But, glad we have the kids for insurance......All kidding and biases aside, should be a a terrific and hotly contested camp with 4-5 spots (depending on ones opinion and including the 13th forward) up fpr grabs amongst 8-9 very different players,..Reports will probably change every day!

Hospo


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:46 am EST

Brooks says the 18th in todays piece on Malone. I remember preseason games being real tight against camp start last year too. Or maybe it was year before.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:36 am EST

RR: Does camp really start the18th? They have their first preseason game on the 22nd against the Devils in MSG - surely that's not enough camp time, right?

Ranger47


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:29 am EST

Malone saying he'll skate with Rangers rest of week, hopes to prove himself. Has been talking to Sather since July 1.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 11:24 am EST

Stempniak on ice too. Glass & Nash only guys I can think of not in yet. Camp opens Sept. 18 (I believe) so plenty of time yet. And wouldnt it be something if our 3rd line center ended up being....Alexei Kovalev! LOL. Oh no.....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:31 am EST

Ramjagsingh and other designers regularly take on the world's best players online to see what they do with the game, often discovering gamers pull off moves they never thought possible........... ""But do the Turbans under the helmet help reduce head injuries????"" ;-)

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:30 am EST

MF.... You're thinking of when he came back to NY. When he left, the GM was Neil Smith ....TD....He was willing to take less money than his prior contract, but how much less should he have taken? Should he have taken whatever peanuts Smith was willing to throw at him? The guy was coming off a season where he scored 36 goals and had 84 points. Messier also said he called Smith the night before he signed with Vancouver and asked if the 2-year, $5 million offer he read in the NY papers was actually available, Smith then countered with 1-year $4.6 Mil. Also, This was is in the days before the salary cap. Smith could've paid him whatever he wanted. Smith even said in the newspapers "how long do I have to pay him for the cup?" JMO, but I think Smith knew he was going after Joe Sakic all along and that's the real reason he negotiated with Messier the way he did. IMO, He never really wanted him back.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:27 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/57674-Video-game-designers-add-physicist-to-fold-to-improve-puck-physics-in-NHL-15.html

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:23 am EST

And then there was 14. Can we live with that? We carry 13 forwards, dress 12, AV & Co. decides who is a healthy scratch for each game, and 1 guy starts in Hartford. When the injuries start, the player comes off the pine & the AHL guy comes up & gets time on the big club... One result, precision TOI management as we prepare all season for the Playoffs, aka: Fresh Legs & not "Stevie's!" :-).. (Exactly the same as a pitch count in baseball).......... Seems that MALONE wasn't much of a thought early in the post-season, & his agent didn't start to promote his comeback until recently.. The guy probably needed more conditioning time to be marketed. In the meantime, we sign Stempniak, a surely needed RHS, Lombardi, who outside of the concussion history is low risk high reward at $800K p/y & reports say is a good skater, we had to wait until August 15th to get in on the Kevin Hayes sweepstakes, and now Malone comes along because his camp feels he's marketable..... Grab that Brass Ring & show him some hospitality....

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:22 am EST

Lindberg in the house! Malone, Kovalev too.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 10:00 am EST

Seem to recall that Messier's agent was his dad, and Sather was up against "Papa" in the negotiations while Marc was off the coast of the Outer Banks of NC fishing.... Marc may have had to show more loyalty to daddy than the Jersey.... either way, one injury & you're gone & yes, it's all about the money, & IMO that's true for everyone here too.... FTR, I was pissed he left.....

mf


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:50 am EST

He failed the physical and retired the next year!

Messier11


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:45 am EST

Pretty sure Arnott didn't see eye-to-eye with Torts, or Torts wasn't seeing eye to eye with Sather on that move. Something happened there, cant remember what exactly,made it seem like they used the failed physical as an excuse, because I think Arnott then passed a physical for StL but never played. There's always something unusual going on in SatherWorld. Apparently Chuck Norris was somehow hanging with McD, Stephan and Malone in Minnesota LOL.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:32 am EST

Arnott's problem was a wonky knee that ultimately, forced him to retire.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:31 am EST

I believe if a player passes waivers going down, for a certain period of time, he can be recalled without having to once again go thru waivers. I could be wrong on that, however.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:26 am EST

Arnott tried to get a job here despite not being able to pass a physical

Messier11


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:18 am EST

I didn't even consider waivers with Malone, I'd love an official answer on that. But I definitely want the guy in the fold as NYR property. There's just no telling what this year will bring personnel-wise. I still think this depth means a trade eventually, but that remains to be seen.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:11 am EST

RF4L - I recall reading somewhere that MALONE was actually looking for a two-way contract...that he was willing to take an AHL assignment if it meant proving himself to a team...that, however, brings a new wrinkle...if he was demoted to Hartford, ripped up the AHL and got a promotion, I'm pretty sure he would have to go through waivers...You gotta realize this guy has a lot to prove at this point. Not only did he look slow and essentially useless on Tampa, but he has the whole DWI-cocaine arrest, which makes him a toxic player for most teams...Of course, Sather loves his reclamation projects...I think this is a good one. Malone has an uphill battle...the guy hasn't been relevant in over two years..then again, neither has LOMBARDI...actually, he hasn't achieved anything in the NHL since 2010, and yet many here think he's a lock for the lineup...

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:05 am EST

RR - Can't disagree there...the guy has a planet-sized ego, IMO. The money was just another way for him to get it stroked. And if I recall, he wasn't exactly making peanuts when he returned either.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:02 am EST

On MALONE - That's all good news. Rangers could use someone of his ilk, provided his troubles are behind him. Again, I don't know where he fits in this lineup...IF he fits in the lineup...signings like STEMPNIAK and LOMBARDI are seeming increasingly suspect...Lombardi especially, since I really don't know what he brings to the Rangers other than more speed...with BOYLE and POULIOT gone, seems to me they need to replace SIZE, not speed...and candidates for that include MILLER, HAYES and, if he ends up with a try-out, MALONE.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:00 am EST

Shoot, sorry for stammering lol. TD, we're agreeing way too much, we're going to have to do something about this lol. But on Mess, couldn't agree more except it wasn't what I'd call money but sheer ego with Mess Act II, and I'll never forgive him for it. He perpetuated the misery for another two years acting like a buffalo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 9:00 am EST

Shoot, sorry for stammering lol. TD, we're agreeing way too much, we're going to have to do something about this lol. But on Mess, couldn't agree more except it wasn't what I'd call money but sheer ego with Mess Act II, and I'll never forgive him for it. He perpetuated the misery for another two years acting like a buffalo.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:57 am EST

RF, if Malone signs a two-way deal was Brooks says they're going to talk about soon, how does he have a choice? It'd be up to AV. I can see some stiff competition for a LW spot with Malone, Miller, and even Lombardi, who I can see AV becoming smitten with. That's if Lombardi doesn't win the 3C outright, but he's got to beat out Lindberg, which won't be easy IMO. I guess the way around it is waiting until camp concludes to sign Malone to a contract. But also, we have 4 Top 6 wings already in Nash, MSL, Kreider & Zuc. Somebody has to switch sides or move to the 3rd unit (MSL would plainly be my choice). Lotta moving parts, hard to say....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:56 am EST

RF, if Malone signs a two-way deal was Brooks says they're going to talk about soon, how does he have a choice? It'd be up to AV. I can see some stiff competition for a LW spot with Malone, Miller, and even Lombardi, who I can see AV becoming smitten with. That's if Lombardi doesn't win the 3C outright, but he's got to beat out Lindberg, which won't be easy IMO. I guess the way around it is waiting until camp concludes to sign Malone to a contract. But also, we have 4 Top 6 wings already in Nash, MSL, Kreider & Zuc. Somebody has to switch sides or move to the 3rd unit (MSL would plainly be my choice). Lotta moving parts, hard to say....

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:56 am EST

Martin Brodeur still waiting for suitable offer to keep playing; Devils' off-ice job awaits...... http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2014/09/martin_brodeur_still_waiting_for_suitable_offer_to_keep_playing_devils_off-ice_job_awaits.html

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:56 am EST

Rhet0ric - Maybe so. Certainly those teams were a disaster and there wasn't much in the pipeline to replace him... I still think Messier didn't know when to step back from the team and take a lesser role. The guy was a shadow of himself that last year...and as for leaving the Rangers the first time...sure it was all about the money...nothing about the team..nothing about the fans...nothing about taking the Rangers to another cup...all about the money...and that's how I personally remember Messier: All about the money.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 8:11 am EST

RF4L... I didn't say that anyone was out of shape, just that these guys would be in better shape going into camp....... Elsewhere..... Kevin Hayes said last night that he was on his way to New York City to begin training with his teammates in preparation for Rangers training camp. (Hayes)..... Hayes said that he is “sad” to leave Boston where he grew up and spent the last four years at Boston College, but is “excited to get things going.” (Hayes).... Hayes joined the Rangers for informal skates at the end of August before returning to Boston.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:53 am EST

RR: I cannot see Malone accepting a demotion. Suspect unless it's because he still needs to into game shape, the Rangers would simply release him.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:50 am EST

I dont think Malone's weight will be a big deal Rhet. He's trying to resurrect his career and as you say has been skating. I just want to wait and see with him. Wouldnt shock me he ends up on a line with Step & Nash OR on Hartford's 2nd line, or anywhere in between. Unknown known quantity IMO.

Rabid Ranger


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:47 am EST

Rhet: I think it's rare any player reports to camp these days out of shape, regardless of where they train. I cannot believe someone like Malone, who's looking for a career restart, wouldn't be in tiptop shape as he pursues a new contract. I concur he could be a very valuable member of the Rangers, if he can rediscover his game and stay away from injuries. He might be the player Sather was hoping he was getting when he traded away those picks for Ryan Clowe.

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:38 am EST

Rabid..... I thought I remembered reading that Malone dropped the weight at the Octagon camp. These guys have been playing hockey for the past few weeks. I'm thinking they're in better shape going into camp than many of the other players.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:35 am EST

mf: Yeah, we've been getting along famously in here this summer, no doubt a result of the unexpected deep PO run this past spring and the fact that no games and therefore, no controversy with the club has occurred. Imagine the snipig if the Rangers start their year 0 and 5!?

RF4L


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:20 am EST

York - Miller took 51 last season and 118 the year before...and two in the playoffs FWIW...was over 50 percent both season...was 53 percent his rookie year...granted, not a full season of draws by any stretch, but a good sample that shows what he can do at the NHL level...probably better than some of the Rangers' pivots...My point is that the Rangers lost one of their better faceoff guys in Boyle...I'm saying Miller could be a replacement...And certainly guys have a good game here and there...what I saw in the playoffs, however, was everything clicking for the kid. Like I said last week...he's 21. Still young...not unrealistic to think the guy is going to put it all together around now. Sure, we'll see what happens in camp. My money is on we'll see more of what we saw in the playoffs, and if thats's the case, he's a lock for a roster spot IMO.

tdchi


Mon Sep 8 2014 7:09 am EST

Bringing Malone in completes the off-season influx, now I want him signed to that two-way deal. Since he gained 25lbs according to that police report, it might take time to get back to tip-top shape. Its only a few months back. And like fighters who lose weight too fast, it can serve to weaken. Plus hes practically been made of glass with all the injuries. But having a guy like that in Hartford chomping to get back to the show could bring the best out of him, and we'll definitely need his size & tenacity along the way. That said, I love the idea and what they've done collectively to try to fill holes. They have a chance to be even better than last year. Key in my mind is the kids pushing for jobs. I don't think anyone is lock per se.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 7 2014 9:00 pm EST

Gotta believe that Stempniak, a speedy skater & only the 2nd "RHS forward" is likely a lock to make the team.. Ditto Lombardi who was signed to fill that 3rd line center spot to start and believe that's exactly where he will be.. .. I'm psyched to hear Malone may be skating with us.. Big boy, listed at 6'4" 225 lbs, former top six, physical player, just what we're lacking....... Looks like Malone makes 14, good dilemma to have.. Prediction: first fight during camp is right here on The Wall... :-(

mf


Sun Sep 7 2014 7:42 pm EST

Prediction for 1st brawl of camp; Malone vs. McIlrath.

Rabid Ranger


Sun Sep 7 2014 7:10 pm EST

Per Gross... It was Stepan and McDonagh that invited Malone to the NYR informal skates as they were all at the Octagon Camp together. No invite was given to Chuck Norris.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 6:11 pm EST

BTW, Brooks also Mentioned that Derek Stepan was with McDonagh and Chuck Norris at the Octagon (camp).

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 6:02 pm EST

Brooks also states that If Malone does indeed sign with the Rangers, it is expected his contract — perhaps a two-way — would be in the $675,000-$750,000 neighborhood on the NHL level. His signing would thus have little impact on the club’s cap situation, for he will compete for a roster spot against players with similar cap hits.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:54 pm EST

Also per Brooks.... A well-placed source told The Post that Ryan Malone — who has been placed in Stage Two of the NHL/NHLPA’s Substance Abuse/Behavioral Health Program — has been cleared by the league to sign a contract. The Post also has been told Malone is not likely to face league discipline in the form of a fine or suspension, though he may have to meet with commissioner Gary Bettman and/or deputy Bill Daly to receive an official go-ahead.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:41 pm EST

yan Malone will join the Rangers tomorrow for their informal skates. (Larry Brooks) There is no contract agreement between the Rangers and Malone. (Larry Brooks) It’s not confirmed, but likely, that Malone will join the Rangers for a training camp tryout. The Ranges have reportedly done “extensive homework” on Malone.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:37 pm EST

JFC: I'd rather see Zucc-Brass-Nash and then Kreider-Step-MSL just because of size...Plus I think you could characterize Kreider and Nash as "Power Forwards" (even though Nash doesn't always play like one), and with the loss of Pouliot I don't think you can afford to have both CK and RN on the same line. Love the prospect though of seeing Zucc set up MSL for one-time clappers from the top circle...

professa


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:32 pm EST

The NY Rangers 2014 4th round pick, Russian goaltender Igor Shesterkin has had a strong start to the new season. He started off with an outstanding performance for Team Russia at the recent Four Nations Tournament in Sweden, stopping 73 of 76 shots, finishing with a .961 save percentage and 1.45 goals against average in three games. Shestserkin has since taken that momentum into the regular season as he’s posted a 2-0 record with a .917 save percentage and 1.91 goals against average for the junior team of Saint Petersburg of the KHL. While it's still early in the young KHL season. "Shesterkin is still very raw (and a bit of a head case), but his performance for Team Russia at the recent Four Nations Tournament in Sweden proved that the Rangers were wise to double down on goaltending draft picks" (via Hockey’s Future). Despite being high on most draft boards, Shesterkin dropped due to questions regarding his willingness to leave Russia to play in the NHL. While just 20 years old, Shesterkin already has pro experience playing in nine KHL contests last season posting a 1-5-2 record with a 2.80 goals against and .903 save percentage. Shesterkin plays a very athletic, but unorthodox goaltending style which can be described as a Dominic Hasek/Mike Richter hybrid. It's still too early to tell, but we could be looking at the future heir apparent to Henrik Lundqivist some day.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:06 pm EST

TD I'm not comparing the two as players I'm saying anyone can have a few good games that makes them look better than they are and used Jeff toms as an example of a guy that was crap had a couple game stretches where he didn't. As for face offs how many did he take 10? His percentage means little if it is 10 or under

York18


Sun Sep 7 2014 5:04 pm EST

if jt jitters doesn't do and act the way veenyo wants him to, he'll be back in Hartford or traded.....he better have figured that out.....if and when he becomes a Brad Richard , then he'll be treated differently.......potential needs to become reality in the nhl not in the ahl......

stevielegs


Sun Sep 7 2014 4:41 pm EST

TD.... Who was Messier supposed to take a back seat to? Bobby Holik? Jamie Lundmark? Petr Nedved? Eric Lindros? We had no young talent and nothing in the system that he was standing in the way of. Also, to say that Messier was being a petulant child because he took more money in Vancouver is a bit ridiculous. Neil Smith offered him a one year deal at less than $5 mil. Late 30's is usually an NHL players last chance at making some good money. If he was any other player, we wouldn't have blamed him for taking more money elsewhere. We probably would have wished him well. Messier has also said that if Neil Smith had indeed offered him the 2-year deal $5 Mil per deal (that Smith had leaked to the NY Press), he would've stayed a Ranger. When Messier left the team last season after AV was named head coach, it also rubbed me the wrong way. Until I read that Glen Sather had offered him the position before (which is why he went for the job in the first place) and that Jeff Gorton was in the way of Messier becoming GM when (or if) Sather retires. He basically had no prospects at moving up or being promoted any time soon. That being the case, why shouldn't he go somewhere where he might have the possibility to be a future Head Coach or GM? I think any of us would do the same if faced with the same lack of prospects. You know he would want to be a Head Coach or GM in NY more than any other place in the world and cutting his teeth elsewhere makes total sense. I guess it's a matter of perspective.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 4:30 pm EST

TDCHI - "I've called it two years in a row on him...said he was going to be on the roster after camp both times...and was right both times....this year, I say he not only makes the team, but the starting lineup"...Really???..C'mon.... You take credit for that?? Technically right, but we all know categorically wrong because of the way he failed to perform both seasons.which, realistically, made everybody else that said MILLER wasn't ready to he;p the team the ones that were right where it mattered

Hospo


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:19 pm EST

Canadiens need Brodeur like they need a hole in the head. Price/Budaj/Tokarski/MacDonald. Arguably they could move Budaj and have Tokarski back up, MacDonald start in AHL or vice versa

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:16 pm EST

And one other thing on MILLER...I'm not "acting" like he's earned anything. I'm saying he's going to earn a spot on this team...and that spot, I believe should be third-line center...admittedly, it wouldn't surprise me if he starts the season as fourth-line wing...but I can say this: I've called it two years in a row on him...said he was going to be on the roster after camp both times...and was right both times....this year, I say he not only makes the team, but the starting lineup.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:13 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Pretty much what Messier11 said...my point is more that Mess really didn't know when to take a backseat. Or rather, I don't think he COULDN'T take a back seat...Messier would have been a hell of a player for the Rangers during his last few seasons if he could have accepted a third-line role...yeah, he still had it...but he simply couldn't skate top center minutes and yet game in and game out, that's what he did....likewise with the Devils...they tried to kindly usher him to the door...he kept playing...then they traded for SCHNEIDER...and he still couldn't take a hint...just like he can't take a hint now.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 3:08 pm EST

York18 - Jeff TOMS...Really dude? C'mon...you're going to compare a 21-year-old draft pick's performance in the cup semi finals to a gangly plugger who played on one of the worst Ranger teams in modern history? I'm really hoping that was more rhetoric and less you trying to compare the two. And FWIW, those faceoffs I cited? Those were in the NHL. No idea what his percentage is in Hartford...in the NHL though, he's over 50 percent, which on the Rangers, is pretty damn good...in fact, better than anyone one the team not named Dom MOORE.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:45 pm EST

Love the idea of Brass-Zucc-MSL line....but more on the PP than at ES. I agree with TDCHI that a big wing who can dig out the puck on the walls is needed....hopefully one who also goes hard to the net w/o the puck. But that trio might also be one to go to,when the lines aren't clicking during a game and AV wants to create a spark...but, as a regular line,I think they'd get worn down due to lack of size.

JFC31


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:17 pm EST

Its my opinion that Messier was acting like a petulant child in 1997 when he very well may have cost us a second Cup by bolting for dignity and dollars to Vancouver. Its my opinion that Messier was acting like a petulant child when he chose to abandon the organization, after not being gifted the head coaching gig.

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:08 pm EST

Messer11.... Perception is not always reality. Opinion is not always fact.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 2:05 pm EST

Rabid what He was doing at the time of the trade I couldn't tell you but 99% of his pro career he was out late enjoying the nightlife. He is a kid with a lot of money I expect nothing less. Pronged did the same thing it happens. Throw millions at a 19 year old and it happens......TD you keep acting like miller has earned his spot he had a couple of good playoff games proves nothing Jeff toms had a couple of good games meant nothing. He will be lucky to get a fourth line wing spot let alone a third line center spot amd how he took draws in the ahl means zip. I like the kid but man you over hype this kid like the second coming of messier

York18


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:40 pm EST

wouldn't ever compare Mess to Brodeur, but Mess acted like a petulant little child twice: in 97, and last year.

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:39 pm EST

which would make my lines something like...Nash-Step-Kid K; Brassard-MZA-St.Louis; Hag-Lombardi-Stemp/MIller/Hayes; Glass-Moore-Stemp-Miller

Hospo


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:34 pm EST

Personally, I think BOTH Stemp and Lombardi are sure fire locks to start the season in the Rangers top 12 forwards...Probably on the top 3 lines...Maybe one on the 4th line only if MILLER can show he is a much smarter, more focused, better positioned player ..I'm not buying yet...Rather MILLER start skating, crashing and banging as a 4th line wing..

Hospo


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:18 pm EST

TD.... WOW. Comparing Brodeur to Mark Messier? Even if you don't like Mess, he never acted like the petulant child that Brodeur is being. Mess also had 18 goals and 43 points in his final season. He was 2nd on that team in points. The Rangers also had very little in the system, so it's not like he was blocking anyone's path to the NHL.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 1:04 pm EST

Krieder/Step/Nash, Hayes/Brass/Zucc, Hagelin/Miller/MSL, Lombardi/Moore/Glass or Stemp...Way I see it is they're going to want another guy with size to join the Zucc line...and if Miller's future is in the middle, then there's no better pair to have him center than a speedy vet and an even speedier Swede...both of whom are very defensively sound....and then the bottom line....Like I said with Lombardi...I just don't see him as a lock to even start the year in NY...and given what Stempniak showed in the playoffs/with the Penguins last year, I'm not sure he is either.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:54 pm EST

I still think we're all putting a lot of faith in the fact that LOMBARDI will join the top three or in the lineup at all...not sure on either of those things.

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:51 pm EST

Ville "O-for-58" LEINO in the bruins camp on a tryout...

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:28 pm EST

My take on lines, pre-camp: Kreider/Stepan/MSL, MZA/Brassard/Nash, Hagelin/Lombardi/Stempniak, Miller/Moore/Hayes Glass spare

Messier11


Sun Sep 7 2014 12:19 pm EST

Hahah...Unc...Like dude...you're old...fourty-friggin'-two old...And really, you're done. You might be a good starter for the alumni game, but really, retire already. The Devils were trying to be nice about it. They tried to let you have a classy exit...and yet you didn't get it. I hate to draw parallels with a Ranger, but he and Messier seem to be cut from the same don't-get-it cloth...

tdchi


Sun Sep 7 2014 11:30 am EST

I see big mouth, bigger ego Brodeur is at it again, stirring up some publicity squarely focused on himself as he lets the press know he'd sign with the Canadiens. Gawd, I hope no one signs him so he'll just go away (I know not quietly - that's something he's clearly incapable of). I mean, wake up and smell the coffee dude - you cause too much distraction with your overt craving of attention, to the point where arguably one of the most loyal builders has decided to walk away. I think any team signing him, unless they're prepared to have him be their starter (and that signals an altogether separate issue because he's not a starter anymore), is asking for controversy because he cannot keep him mouth shut and will gladly opine about his ability and desire to be the number 1 and/or muse openly, once the trading deadline approaches, about where he'd be willing to go in a trade. STFU and retire already. Yes, you were a great goalie but the key word here is WERE. Go away gracefully. Please.

RF4L


Sun Sep 7 2014 11:17 am EST

Last night it was reported by MLive.com that ex-New York Rangers 7th defenseman, Raphael Diaz, has been invited to training camp on a tryout basis by the Detroit Red Wings.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 8:20 am EST

Ryan McDonagh joined the Rangers informal skates yesterday. (Steve Zipay) The Rangers now have their top six defense (McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, Dan Boyle, John Moore and Kevin Klein) all skating together during the informal workouts. McDonagh had spent the previous few weeks skating in Minnesota with other NHLers at the Octagon Hockey camp (with more than 30 other NHL players).

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 7 2014 8:02 am EST

McD @ camp.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:43 pm EST

I'm very much in the show me camp when it comes to JT Miller. And I think I'm in good company because the Ranger brass is there too. Nothing against the kid, I sure hope he does well, does better than well, breaks out and terrorizes the entire league. But I just haven't seen it from him, the hockey IQ. Not to say it isn't there. He was smart enough in the AHL to be an effective points producer. I loved the kid with US Juniors. That's the JT I want to see, hungry and unencumbered, physical, playing like a force. I keep seeing how good he was in the playoffs before his injury but I didn't notice him much myself,though I do remember some good forecheck shifts. But until it clicks for him and translates where its beyond dispute, he's just a late first round pick without a position who ticked off his coach last year. I certainly don't give a hoot what Jim Cerny has to say about the look in his eye, gimme a break.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:51 pm EST

Could Mats Zuccarello be the New York Rangers‘ captain this season? Zuccarello sure doesn’t think so, according to Norwegian news website, nettavisen.no, where he shared his doubts in a recent interview. He does not predict the C, neither the title of alternate captain, will go to himself. He does, however, strongly believe in one other teammate for the candidacy.... Zuccarello says Ryan McDonagh may very well be the new captain, taking the defenseman’s long-term contract and natural leadership into consideration. McDonagh signed a six-year contract just last year for $28.2 million. The 25-year-old has proven himself well deserving of the roughly $4.7 million per year, as he has been a crucial part of the Rangers’ defense

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 6 2014 7:29 pm EST

Not sure what your point is YORK.There was never any shortage of buzz about DZ and the nightlife. I just said at the time of the trade he was apparently behaving himself, only because it came to me in a way I could trust. But I don't care what Del Zotto does anymore, he's a Flyer.if he let partying affect his game he was unprofessional to say the least. But I don't know that to be true. I also dont care what a guy does in his free time. In fact, playing & partying sounds like a mighty fine life to me. But everyone has their limits.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 6:53 pm EST

Rabid DZ liked to stay out late and party it was even seen in his short stint in hartford. Does that mean drugs? No but I was told by two seperate people he was more interested in night life then hockey. These are two people with ties but don't know each other with no reason to lie about what he does.

York18


Sat Sep 6 2014 4:14 pm EST

_ARC - Hey Man! Yep, so true...During those gloomy days after 97 I was probably the main proponent of the "We Suck--Play The Kids_It Cant't Be Worse"! school of thought....I remember how, for an example, our defense prospects were "loaded" with guys like Jeff Brown, Lee Sochoran, Alexei Vasiley and even Fred Mertzig". and how they should have been playing over all the crappy vets....Unfortunately,..they all turned out to be crap.themselves.......For that and other reasons, I have kinda morphed into a , "just give me the better player no matter the age" kind of guy...Especially when the team is contending for the Cup..

Hospo


Sat Sep 6 2014 2:06 pm EST

Just to clarify I remember a time when Hospo was all about the kids and giving them a shot. 20 years go by and couple heartbreaks re: one AK27 he turns into that guy from 'major league' who says "back the truck up...." After seeing his beloved Indians get slugged out the park one too many times ;). Ha. The good old days. Can't believe I'm 20 friggin years older!

_Arc


Sat Sep 6 2014 1:53 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Never triedvto run KId K off, in fact I rushed him to the 3rd line at the beginning of last season..but he needed more...Ditto for JT MILLER, I love the kid..perhaps my favorite prospect..Not a question of IF but WHEN..Unlike TDCHI and others I haven't seen any reason to rush him..or why he should beat out solid NHLer..But I do see him snagging the 4th line spot at the onset..After that, I hope he just gets better and better

Hospo


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:52 am EST

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/01/theo-fleury-helped-change-societys-view-of-child-sex-abuse

mf


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:42 am EST

Staal turns 28 January 13th... I can certainly see going out to six years, but damn, I don't want to pay the guy a penny over $6mill per, actually prefer to mirror Girardi's contract which has six years remaining at $5.5mill p/y including this season... It would be nice if these high priced athletes put the pencil to the paper to see what it takes to sign an entire squad "that can compete for the cup." We're nickle & diming J.Moore to take less than last year to pinch every penny... Effin Hank couldn't sign for $8.25 mill per & give the NYR's some more wiggle room to assemble a core around him??? Hank will make it up in endorsements in the NY Marketplace.... Same thing for Stall, Step, & Hagelins next contract's... 250K here and there can prove to make the difference to land that 1 extra depth guy that puts you in the top tier of teams in the league...... IMO, endorsements are a trump card Dolan can exploit to lure athletes to New York City, and have them sign for slightly less than market value........ As of now, next year you have $23,875,000 of Cap Space... Staal, Stepan, Zuccarello, Hagelin, & MSL are due up for contracts...We then need to account for at least three additional roster spots to make 20; ie: John Moore, JTMiller, Hayes, Stempniak.......... Here's some # guesstimations: Staal: $5.5mill, Stepan: $6mill, Zucc: $6mill, Hagelin: $4.25mill, MSL: $3mill, = $24,750,000..... Then add: JMoore: $1mill, and two of ...JTMiller/Hayes/Stempniak @ $1mill per and you're at $27,750,000......... Yes, theoretically the Cap will increase, but so can the demands of the players to be signed.......

mf


Sat Sep 6 2014 11:03 am EST

You said it perfectly MF, he channeled... I always felt bad for him, saw a guy in a tremendous amount of pain, but boy did he channel and was a 5-6 hockey demon because of it. Forget the chicken dances, he was the most inventive guy ever when it came to clipping people with his stick 'inadvertently.' LOL. I used to laugh my ass off because no one could go near him without getting it. He had some troubles here but I had a lot of admiration for him.was real good as a NYR and managed to keep it together for the most part. And now he tries to help other kids who've gone through what he did.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 10:40 am EST

Rabbit: Spot on in regard to Fleury. He was fortunate where he found a profession where he could channel his inner rage into productivity.... Many opponent paid the price of that man's inner anger, but for the most part, his off ice victim was himself... Damn I miss those "chicken dance taunts"

mf


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:48 am EST

Theo Fleury was a victim of child abuse and totally different from guys partying & 'living' the life', so to speak. Its a miracle Fleury accomplished what he did IMO. One HELL of a player.

Rabid Ranger


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:35 am EST

schneidw - I don't have any doubt MILLER starts for the Rangers this year. None at all...the question is where will he start? I've always thought being in the center was the best fit for him in this team...and I mentioned it a few weeks back, he's actually one of the better faceoff guys on the team...man if he's grown an inch and put on 10 pounds of muscle..that could be some good news for the Rangers.

tdchi


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:29 am EST

On MALONE - Truth is, he'll have an easier time cracking the Pens lineup than he will New York's...but to say the Pens have cap problems is really kind of trivializing their situation...that have room enough to sign ONE more player..and that's taking the assumption KAPANEN and MENGA don't make the team...Rangers aren't that much better off...and in truth, were I to follow the smoke on this guy, I'd say the most likely place for him to end up with a tryout is on the Minnesota Wild...training in Minnesota...the team has $9 million in cap space is doesn't appear to be bringing RUPP back...He could fairly easily drop into their top three lines...were I a betting man, that's where I'd say he lands...also remember...just because he signs on for a tryout with a team doesn't mean that's where he'll end up...the legendary Anton STRALMAN played pre-season with the Devils before landing on the Rangers the following month...regardless, I just don't see room for Malone on the Rangers...I see a need, but not the room.

tdchi


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:21 am EST

I'm not sure why fans automatically equate being in NYC with drug abuse and boozing...can do that sort of thing in any city...and if that's your predilection, you'll find it in Nashville just like you'll find it in Manhattan...in fact, it'll find you...MDZ's problem wasn't that he looked unconditioned...it's that he simply never could get the defensive side of his game up to par with the game the Rangers wanted him to play and that, coupled with him not having the foot-speed of MOORE and being the fourth lefty on a team that desperately needed a stay-at-home righty and already had two other similar lefties in the system punched his ticket out of town...Though I'm a little surprised the Preds cut him loose for nothing, one only has to look at who that team has on defense to see that he was more than expendable...DZ has incredible passing ability...I'll still never forget going to a pre-season game in Boston during his rookie year...and some of the cross ice bombs he landed....Basically threading the needle...man, if a team could harness THAT, he'd be an asset...and DZ also never got credit for his hitting, which was explosive...problem is, people rightly saw how often he takes himself out of position...and that's something that soured with two consecutive and diametrically different Rangers coaches...I wish I could say good luck to him in Philly, but I simply can't. I do think he'll be a good fit there...he'll bring a little snarl to a Flyer lineup that, to me, looks pretty soft...but if what we're doing is pinning his career bumps on partying in NYC, I think that's specious reasoning and really not looking at the enigma that is Del ZOTTO.

tdchi


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:15 am EST

HOSPO_ Just read your JT Miller post... I am bullish on JT.. I realize its a small window, but he looked strong during the playoffs before blowing out his shoulder on the crosscheck from behind... I read he has grown and is now almost 6-2 and 215lbs... just look at the kids neck..he is SOLID. He definitely has good on ice awareness and decent hands.. he may not be a #1 center but he might be better as a power left winger in the Adam Graves mode... he is only 21YO so lets give him time to grow... I remember when HALF the Wall was looking to ship Kreider out of NYC a year ago... prospects take patience... just ask Philly (VanRiemsdyck, Sharp, BObrovsky, all traded too soon)...

schneidw


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:07 am EST

Salary CAP??? Will SATHER be able to sign Staal during the season this year given the salary cap? Assume he signs for 6 years and $6.5M...can it even be done or does Sather have no choice and let him become a UFA and let Philthy offer him huge $$$ and risk having him leave NYC?? Reason enough for Staal to get resigned ASAP http://snyrangersblog.com/2014-15/2014-15-players/marc-staal/read-people-in-pittsburgh-are-still-really-mad-at-marc-staal/

schneidw


Sat Sep 6 2014 9:05 am EST

What is the big deal? NYRs chasing a 34YO coke head... not really what I want to see and I like Malone... the long history of Theo Fleury to Don Murdoch and all the ooh la la sasson days of Duguay/Greshner...NYC is not the place for a partier AND NYRs need speed to go w size... Malone should retire or sign w Winnepeg

schneidw


Sat Sep 6 2014 12:59 am EST

Rabid... You're reaching. More than one Rangers beat writer has already reported that there were multiple teams interested in Malone. Also. I've seem Pitt and NY mentioned in several places. Another Penguins beat writer mentioned that Malone would be a better fit than Carcillo. At this point of the season, no one is going to give Malone a contract (outside of a PTO or sheer stupidity). The Rangers have a full roster, they're not going to move anyone unless the guy comes in and wins a job. Also, there is new Management from when Malone was in Pitt previously so I don't think past transgressions get held against him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 11:40 pm EST

Meant to add, Pens had choice yesterday of bringing in a LW and chose Carcillo. So I get the sense it's two old goaltenders in Luit & Rutherford helping each other out. Rutherford vouched for Pens interest and at worst forces the Rangers to maybe do more than they want to. But it really says what PITT thinks when, with dwindling room on the rink, they could have invited Malone yesterday instead and didnt. That's because there's no question CarBomb is an NHL player right now, but there are legit questions on Malone. Other thing on MDZ; I won't say much if I hear something as far as where its coming from, I'll work it into a post somehow and leave it at that. I've had too much trouble in the past with people demanding to know where from, some of it here, its gets ridiculous. But just so happened last year before he was traded, DZ was dating someone who was very close to someone close to me. And all I can say are these are very intelligent, healthy, clean-living types and I didn't hear a word about any misbehavior.I know it wouldnt happen in their presence.Not that a guy can't sneak around if he were using something, as all these innuendos seem to imply. But same time, I'm someone not sure getting high or a boost somehow necessarily hurts your play LOL. It could make you more creative Haha. Bu I also don't believe you need to have a substance problem to struggle with your game. Anyway, the only thing I'd said at the time was I hoped the girl liked cold whether because it sounded like DZ was heading to Colorado. But I'll never forget how good he was versus Ottawa two years ago, really one of the best players on the ice. And still very young, Flyers didn't hurt themselves giving him a shot. Even Hextall, one of the league's greatest dicks, was basically offering the kid a fresh slate. DZ ran into a tough time here but I never hated him.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:40 pm EST

Couple of things there Rhet. If you read Rutherford other remarks ,mje says they're not 'closing the door' but are close to the number of players their new coach wants. I'd take that to mean maybe a tryout, but there won't be a contract. That Malone's agent spoke in a Pittsburgh paper also tells me he's trying to pressure the Rangers for a contract. That's what they want. guaranteed money. I'm sure they could get tryouts from more than just NYR-Pitt. And lastly, there's that quote Malone was known as the 'King of the Southside' when he played in Pitt.Not the best place for a rehabbing player I'd think, with all his old haunts. So if I had to bet, I'd say we're still about 70% to get him. Total guess/gut feel. I hate when agents play their games, but they have to for their clients.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:29 pm EST

Torts may have been great for McD the same as Keenan was great for a young Pronger in St. Louis. It doesn't mean that either coach was good for a defensive squad as a whole let alone a team. Doesn't mean that either coach could have ever won in either city.

Messier11


Fri Sep 5 2014 8:45 pm EST

Yes and it always seems to be the Futher Mucking Penguins.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 8:20 pm EST

Tnx Rhet. Everything has to be a sweepstakes. Hopefully its just Luit trying to squeeze a contract from us. If its a two way as was speculated, no problem

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 8:05 pm EST

Rabid.... Ex-Penguin Ryan Malone looking for 2nd chance.... “There's a natural attraction there,” said Malone's agent, Mike Liut. “He grew up there. He played there"......"I have talked to Pittsburgh about him throughout the summer. They're kicking tires. They've expressed some interest, but it's just that. Which is fine. “There isn't anything where I can say, ‘Hey, this is what we're going to do.' Hopefully I can next week. ....http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/6741413-74/malone-penguins-liut?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tribunereviewpenguins+%28Penguins+Stories%29#axzz3CUcjcmbY

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:23 pm EST

Not sure where that's from Rhet, but I'd hope since PITT invited a LW in Carcillo yesterday, we'd get Malone. Same time its only a tryout, they can invite as many guys as they want.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:14 pm EST

It looks like Ryan Malone is down to signing a PTO with either Pittsburgh or NY.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:24 pm EST

Messier11....Please do not read the following post out of fear that it will make your head explode.... Ryan McDonagh says that John Tortorella was the perfect coach for him to start his NHL career under. (NY Times) He says that Tortorella got the most of of him and “did wonders for me.” McDonagh said that Tortorella was hard on the players when he felt that they needed it. (NY Times) Dave Maloney said that all young players should have to play under a “hard coach” to start their career, a coach who has high demands for them. Maloney said that in the long-run the players will appreciate being “forced to learn the right way.” (NY Times) McDonagh also praised Tortorella after he was fired in 2013. John Tortorella consistently praised McDonagh and the intangible he had to rebound after a tough shift.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:20 pm EST

John Moore: New contract with Rangers is close.... Newsday has reported that John Moore and the Rangers are still currently working out his new deal to be done soon. Moore is fully expected to be at day 1 of training camp later this month.... When asked about the situation, Moore said, “I’m really optimistic. This week a lot of ground was made up. Things started to pick up. Unless something really goes wrong, I’d be surprised if it’s not done by training camp.” .....http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/john-moore-new-contract-with-rangers-is-close-1.9236558

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 4:23 pm EST

Emmo sighting. Steve Eminger to sign AHL deal with Bruins. And R Diaz supposedly has 3 PTO offers. No word if one is from us. He really wasnt bad. Neither was Eminger.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 2:17 pm EST

Hospo: LOL...yeah, let's hope he is approaching matters more seriously. Can't believe he didn't previously so interesting choice of words. Maybe the Hayes signing ruffled his feathers? Sure looks like a competitive camp is in store and that is never a bad thing.

RF4L


Fri Sep 5 2014 1:48 pm EST

Some more Pre pre-season fluff from mouthpiece Jim Cerny stumping for JT MILLER (http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/6545/early-informal-takeaways-from-pre-camp-workouts?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tweets&utm_content=twitter_1409941601#.VAoEhmdOUdU) becasue he "looks serious"...Wow, I'm impressed!....OTOH, maybe the lightbulb finally has turned on!...We'll see..

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:54 am EST

TDCHI - OTOH, I think you exaggerate how much other people "don't like him"...I think most people like him bit just have differnet views on time-tables and readiness...I don't think many people see his career landing spot as a 4th line plugger---I sure don't..OTH, I can see that being the exact spot for him this year along MOORE and GLASS...and it could be much more than a plugging line...Oh well, we can talk till we're red, white and blue in the face...it's their performance that will decide where they end up

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:47 am EST

And not just talent important- Systems & Chemistry equally or more important. In baseball, you can plug a .300 career hitter into any lineup, and he will usually perform the same for almost any team-as it's an individual effort. Not true with hockey-(see Rick Nash and hundreds of others).Even superstar players seem to get more chemistry with certain players. Guys who clicked together-Leclair & Lindros, Hull & Adam Oates, Messier & Graves, Kevin Stevens & Mario,etc.-it's magic when it works. NYR found out the hard way how many guys couldn't play here (Redden, Driver,Gomez, Holik to name a few). Seems like they have a better handle now with AV-looking for chemistry & players that fit in the system going fwd.

puckyou


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:39 am EST

On MILLER - obviously, I like the kid. Think some of you guys over-exaggerate how much...but I'd like to point a few things out that explain a little about his path to the NHL...first, I think the best place for him to develop was probably with the Souix in North Dakota...Older, bigger players...less concentrated schedule...more time with coaches...I know WHY he went to Plymouth...because he wanted to make the NHL sooner than later...but the thing is, Miller is a big kid and with his frame coupled with his talent, the OHL wasn't exactly challenging...certainly his one year there didn't show dominance of that league...but if you watched him play in the World Juniors, he was manhandling guys...looked like a beast in the corners...I'm sure that was a thought among the Rangers' management when they moved him to Hartford...now some like RF4L say he should have stayed with Plymouth and ' 'dominated' there to build his confidence...well, I kind of disagree...there's no shortage of confidence in this kid...and that's part of the problem...he's cocky...too cocky sometimes...he thinks he can pull moves at times when he needs to make the simple play...York18 calls him out on this and faults his hockey sense...I disagree here...I think its a matter of his maturity...what a lot of us forget is that he is, in fact, a 21-year-old kid. And while some are mature at that age, clearly JT is(or was) not among them...he doesn't come to camp early in 2013...why? Probably because in his mind, he knows he can make the team...he beat KREIDER out six months earlier and he's looking at the depth charts...seeing spots open...his cockiness gets the best of him...pan to last spring, when AV called him out in the press...basically saying he's got to decide whether he's going to be an NHLer or ride the bus as an AHL superstar...So take that moment in his career, and suddenly we see JT Miller growing up...I don't think anyone disagrees with the notion that the kid looked A LOT better in the playoffs, which is unequivocally the toughest hockey of the year...Kid looked like he belonged...was pretty much doing everything right...then he shows up to camp on the first day they unlock the doors and we get a report that he's got a little extra pep to his step...not surprised at all...I still can't forecast where this kid is going to land in terms of production...but it ain't going to be as a bottom line plugger.

tdchi


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:28 am EST

Yeah Hospo, we won't even know what AV is thinking until they start drills, but think they do Miller a BIG disservice if they don't put him in one spot, center or wing, and let him make team or not. Time to find out what he's gonna be, and think its a LWer right now. A bit easier for him, and happens to be what we need. And just saying', when Lindberger starts to make you think we've somehow reacquired Mike Ridley, the bus will have already left the station! If Jesper Fasth comes anywhere close to making this team, we're not near as deep as we thought.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:17 am EST

Agree with RR on the Corsi and Fenwick business. Might work for baseball...doesn't mean jack in hockey, IMO. I've said this here before: Hockey is the ultimate team sport. You've got six guys on the ice and if even one of them is playing sub-par, the other five are going to pay for it. No so much in baseball, where you can be a superstar on a loser team and still have stats that reflect your stardom. With very few exceptions, that rule doesn't hold true in the NHL. You take a supremely talented guy and surround him with trash, his stats are going to look like garbage...conversely, you can take an average player and put him with a bunch of superstars and he's gonna look like an all-star(see: Chris KUNITZ).

tdchi


Fri Sep 5 2014 10:03 am EST

RABID - There is ALOT of flexibility on the Roster so it's really hard to pinpoint battles...But ..to me......LOMBARDI-MILLER for 3rd C (Lindberg way on the outside)....STEMP-MILLER-HAYES-MALONE?-LOMABARD-FASTH for the 2nd/3rd line W AND 4th line W along Glass and Moore..Just how I see it..

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:53 am EST

J Moore on ice today.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:18 am EST

http://nypost.com/2014/09/02/flyers-gm-hextall-why-del-zotto-went-off-the-rails-with-rangers/

RF4L


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:18 am EST

Dunno if anyone posted this link from the NY Post with Hackstall talking about MDZ but it's very much like some of us have theorized: MDZ apparently went off the rails because he liked the NYC nightlife too much. Hackstall doesn't implicitly say that but it's without a doubt implied. I concur that the Flyers will have made a bargain signing if MDZ has 1) put that stuff behind him and 2) is able to concentrate on hockey and rebuild his confidence. I don't begrudge the Rangers trading him - Klein was a decent return for a guy who Nashville didn't bother to attempt to resign. My only criticism of the Rangers with regards to MDZ was having him turn pro at 19. He wasn't ready. Has Sather learned his lesson on this practice? Methinks no based on the rumours that he pressured Skjei to turn pro this summer.

RF4L


Fri Sep 5 2014 9:08 am EST

Miller's in camp early this year, that's better positioning! He's going to have to play really well to make this team. Was trying to game out the camp battles by open position. Again, many of these guys are versatile but I see JT, Malone and maybe Lombardi battling for Puliot's LW spot, (though I think it should go to Kreider and they find Step-Nash a new wing.) Lindberg-Lombardi at 3C and I think Stempniak goes right to Dorsett's spot, 4th RW. I think thats where Hayes amd Haggerty see their shot, and either guy should be an automatic offensive upgrade over DD. If Kristo is a center now I don't see where he gets a realistic chance to make the team. Its why I think a deal is still very possible after camp.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:53 am EST

RABID - Great on JT..but quickness has never been a problem...Smarter and "in position" are the words I want to hear!..

Hospo


Fri Sep 5 2014 7:12 am EST

In the past I was a severe critic of the paste and match approach that attempted to fit a name in a position that required a different skill set. We labored for a long time with no coherent system that matched the players brought on board. Last years success was as much about a team that was put together with complimentary pieces . AV wants to play a particular style and put players in place that can play that style. It was IMO the major reason we went to the finals. I look at the off season moves and I anticipate more success. The outlook is optimistic with reasons to feel that way. AV knows Glass very well and I am sure he knows how he fits and if he doesn't he will be replaced. I am betting he fits and adds something to the overall strength of the team .If nothing more than a invitation to dance with Prust for his conduct in the playoffs is in the cards I will be a happy camper.

gene_carr


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:55 am EST

There is no update on the contract status of RFA John Moore. (Newsday) Jeff Gorton said recently that he thought that the Rangers would have Moore signed. Moore is expected to sign a bridge deal around his qualifying offer of $850,000.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:36 am EST

Zippay also says Miller looks quicker & sharper than last year. fwiw.

Rabid Ranger


Fri Sep 5 2014 6:32 am EST

Rumblings continue NYR have interest in Malone PTO if his legal issues wrapped up per Newsday.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:36 pm EST

Totally NYStranger. Maybe more than stats its who fits what they're trying to accomplish? Not just as players but as people? That's why I'm excited to see a guy like Lombardi, playing in Swiss league obscurity, and they go get him. Sure budgetary constraints had something to do with it, but it feels right at this stage not to just plug in the best numbers guy to fill a spot. They've been tracking the guy, like him, talked with him, seems like a good fit. Let's see!

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:21 pm EST

Rabid..just like looking at a player and his stats, successes, failures, with one team can mean little when that players goes to another team. So much depends on line-mates, ice time, systems, coaches, changes in personal life in the new city. You name it.

NYStranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:12 pm EST

I should just clarify a bit on the C & F stuff, having rebounded from a mostly liquid lunch LOL.In general I'm all for anything that leads to a greater understanding of the game. Yes, I do think the premises of some of these metrics, as I understand them, are flawed. I look at them like any other stat. When they're extreme, they're probably telling you something. Not much more or less. A few weeks ago TD & I were talking about GWGs, and he rightly pointed out they don't often mean dick. You get the 4-0 goal, the other team scores 3, you get credit, but its not the crunch time goal the stat header suggests. they're all like that, even goals. How many times do you see a guy make a tremendous play and a guy gets a tap-in goal, and let's not kid ourselves, the goals are worth the big bucks. But there's no differential for a primary or secondary assist, because again the game isn't like some others sports where everything can be measured. That said, didn't want to slam C & F who I'm sure had good, hockey-based intentions. For me, I trust my eyes. Try haven't let me down yet. But bearing in mind even I and a viewing audience don't get to see everything sitting at home, when so much happens behind he play. But you'd best believe the team is looking at aerial views, scouting, rink-wide views, when they're assessing a player like a Tanner Glass or anyone else. They shoot all that stuff for a reason.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:16 pm EST

MF, ditto....Joan had a good life, Robin Im still in shock over. Loved them both. Admire anyone who can spread the laughter.

WIOSA


Thu Sep 4 2014 8:56 pm EST

All I can add is that if our season hinges on Tanner Glass then we are in a f@ckload of trouble. Which IMNSHO we are not. I like most of of what our brainless trust has done this off season. The odds are against another trip to the finals THIS year but who knows and I think in the long run we are going to have a very good team to watch the next few seasons. And another really good shot at the Cup will be in our near future. This team is not perfect but the core seems to be very solid for the foreseeable future. And screw Pittsburg ... Just had to say it!

NYStranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 8:31 pm EST

May the "Glass" be half full, Salute'.....

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 7:16 pm EST

The Summer of Love! And afraid to say it, but actually have some hope for Glass. They hand-selected this guy and even got into some bidding over him, and the brass has been pretty good. So lets wish him buona fortuna....

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 6:58 pm EST

Wow! Didn't mean to stir the Glass; so to speak! My Paisano could not have said it better, with stats even! Damn Rabid, maybe I gotta give you a chance like my boy KIS.

pa.rangersfan


Thu Sep 4 2014 4:00 pm EST

RHET - Yes, huge difference..RUPP couldn't skate and couldn't hit..He just cruised and got in an occsiaonal fight,...GLASS is a totally different player

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:58 pm EST

TDCHI _ I wasn't crazy with the GLASS signing and I don't like it for three years andthe amount..but how is a guy who skated 13 minutes a night for PITTT, killed penalties (even if badly), had 7 fights to protect his teams and was FIFTH in the LEAGUE amiongst Forwards with 247 hits a marginal 4th liner.......Is CHRIS NEIL a Marginal 4th liner (same points, basically less hits)........And it's off to capmpare him with a BOOGAARD or a BRASHEAR....those were heavyweights who could do nothing but figh other goons...Did you see how many and who Glass fought last year? similar tough players and 4th liners like Neil and Clutterbick...The guys was signed as an energy palyer/hitter/team guy...not a goon..Was it the best use of the money? Proabalby not..But he will liekly be a solid 4th liner and the toughest player the Rangers have up front-----by far..Guy has his work cut out for him,..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:52 pm EST

Too many typos to correct! Fuckin phone.sry for the cussin, the altar boys with the virgin ears. Youse hear about the two altar boys rolling around in the snow with no pants on? The priest said he wanted a couple of cold ones after mass.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:50 pm EST

Hospo.... Both players were brought in to be a physical presence, that's the only real comparison I was making. When we signed Mike Rupp he was 31 years old(Glass will be 31 in Nov), Rupp came off seasons were he had 181 and 198 hits with Pittsburgh. Glass had 247 and 125 his last two seasons there. When it comes down to it, Is there really that much of a difference between the two players?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:47 pm EST

RR: IMO there's a place for C and F but it's certainly not the be all to end all given what you cite. I do believe it's equally foolish to dismiss it, however.

RF4L


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:46 pm EST

AV likes Glass, meaning he'll get his fair share of 4th line minutes I suspect. For me if he hits consistently and generates energy it's equal to what DD did (or Carcillo).

RF4L


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:45 pm EST

Id like to find Corsi & Fenwick and bang there heads together for fueling some of the nimrods who dont STFU about it. A guy on your line fails an easy clearing pass, you get a demerit. Dtupid fucking shit. Hockey is not a gamr that lends itself to micro statistical analysis. There's too much going on, and everything that happens affects every other fuckin thing. He's a radical concept; lets WATCH the motherfucker first. Is he breakin his ass? Stickin up for teammates? Blocking shots and most of allslsmming our fucking enemies every chance, which we DESPERATELY need? If do, welcome aboard! If not, we havr about a fozen guys foaming for that spot.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:34 pm EST

And on GLASS...unless he turns out to be Carcillo-Plus, we got a guy who is a marginal fourth liner who has bounced around four franchises over six years...truth is, if he were that important, one of them would have signed him two a three-year deal the Rangers gave him...they didn't...Glass will make $50k less than Dom MOORE...and will likely earn MORE than John MOORE...He got a $350k raise over his Pittsburgh salary...and that's still $700k more than the Rangers should be paying for someone of his ilk. We'll see what happens...maybe he shocks us all...but I'm squarely with Rhet0ric here...no way to slice this any other way than a bad signing...the heir apparent to a long legacy of thugs Brashear...Boogaard(RIP)...Rupp...Asham...and now Glass.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:28 pm EST

TDCHI - Exactly- and why I call BS on the Pitt Blogger fans putting him down....Something about a guy that throws about 4 HITS A GAME that wants me to give him a chance before burying him based on the opinion of some Penguin fans..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:26 pm EST

RHET - So maybe he's a 4th liner that was asked to do too much? Maybe he shpould just be skating, hitting, protecting, providing energy, which eh seems awful good at..and what the rangers need...I won't ignoonre that internet wahoo bloggers opinion but it means little to me...There were others that were positive about him also....And again, you have a HEAD CAOCH that really wanted him....That says more to me then what Internet dweebs say..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:22 pm EST

Guys, let's call a spade a spade here: Pittsburgh fans are a bunch of drooling troglodytes... total bone-brained morons. They're like Philly fans...only stupider. I'd take anything from them with a gigantic, boulder-sized grain of salt.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:21 pm EST

RHET - GLASS played 67 GAMES for the PENS LAST YEAR and had 250 HITS...Schmuckhead Rupp played 81 GAMES over the last THREEE YEARS with about 120 HITS..Dos that sound like the same player to you????

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:17 pm EST

Hospo... WWW.Pensburgh.com had this to say about Tanner Glass' 2013-14 season... "Tanner Glass was really, really bad this year. His numbers at even strength don't lie. First, we can look at the goal-based metrics. At even strength, Glass had the third-lowest points/60 among regular forwards and had the second-worst goals/60 among the same group. And to top it all off, he had the second-worst GF% on the team this year. In fact, he was so bad at outscoring the opposition that his GF% ranks 347th out of 375 forwards who played 41 or more games this year "...."His performance on the PK was equally ugly. He was second-worst on the Penguins at limiting shots against while shorthanded, true for both fenwick and corsi measurements. And when it came to giving up goals while a man down, the only thing that saved Glass from being last in this category as well was an abnormally high save percentage from Marc-Andre Fleury." ....http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/6/9/5785870/2013-14-season-in-review-tanner-glass

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:15 pm EST

Rhet- he's not a goon, and he's definitely not Rupp. He can handle minutes and his hits stats tell the story.

Messier11


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:15 pm EST

So did most NY Ranger fans on here...

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:06 pm EST

PA.... Pittsburgh fans said pretty much the same thing about Mike Rupp.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:05 pm EST

pa.rangersfans.. Unfortunately, he might be the only Ranger that plays like that this year...!! Guys skates and hits..bring him on..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 3:02 pm EST

RHET - I really don't know who this KUKLA character is, but I 'm interested to hear what FRAN and OLLIE have to say......At the least, that stuff from his is dated...Glass scored 13 points for the Penguins last year and played 13 minutes a night and played 3rd pair PK along with leading the team in hits and fight..What the hell else is a 4th liner to do??...And, when he was scratcehd last year in the POs, many Pitt observers felt that Bylsma made a huge mistake in taking his hard worrk and energy off of the team....He inserted him in the last two games but it was too late.....Again, I LOVED what CARCILLO dod for the Rangers last year and think he deserved a return......And I am no huge fan of GLASS...But, having BOTH of them ounds the best to me and I don';t understand the dog piling on the guy..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:59 pm EST

Was at a gathering recently and spoke to a friend who is a big Penguins fan. I asked him if Glass was a bum since "my" fanpage (The Wall), was killing the signing. He told me "we" will love the guy. An all-heart type of player who leaves it all on the ice. Just sayin.'

pa.rangersfan


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:56 pm EST

TD.... What I understood is that we didn't get Ryan because we refused to part with Chris Kreider.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:53 pm EST

I come back for the first time in three weeks and see Kovalev mentioned as a tryout??? What, did Nedved have his cellphone turned off? Kevin Stevens out of town?

Nick


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:47 pm EST

Vic/Rhet - Another crucial point about CARCILLO v. GLASS...Carcillo will probably sign for half as much as Glass and for one year...better player, better deal, better everything...and that description of Glass from Kukla's Korner..MAN...does that not sound a lot like what Derek BOOGARD was for the Rangers...Only Boo was an intimidating force...my prediction with Glass is that we suffer through 50 or 60 games of him this season, he gets benched by the playoff run and by next season he'll be moved/bought out/sent on a barge destined for some distant port...bad signing...no doubt...Glass<Dorsett<Carcillo, IMO.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:39 pm EST

mf - I think the ship has sailed on Bobby RYAN...They pulled the anchor after the NASH deal and set a course for open seas when he was dealt to the Sens...I read something recently that both Ryan and the Sens see a long future for him in Ottawa...No doubt, with the trade of SPEZZA, that team is retooling a bit...I don't think they'll challenge for the cup or the playoffs...but in a year or two? They've got some nice prospects...and there's a good chance Ryan ends up with the C over there...it's his team for once and he's playing second fiddle to no one...the saddest part about the RYAN trade is that absent the NASH trade, we could have EASILY ponied up what the Sens gave for him...Hell, we could have given them ANISIMOV, MILLER and the first in the Nash deal and Ryan would be in a blueshirt...but absent a time machine, I don't think it's ever gonna happen. Wish it would. I'd trade Nash for him straight up. Hell, I'd even throw in a prospect too.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:32 pm EST

Count me in as one who would rather have CARCILLO then GLASS. CARCILLO is a hockey player. He may not be a heavy weight fighter but I trust him out on the ice to add something to the team and not be a liability. He proved he could play last year.

Vic


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:30 pm EST

RIP Joan Rivers, you made a lot of people smile & happy.... also: RIP Robin Williams

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:18 pm EST

MF.... Based on everything I've read, he's happy in Ottawa.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:16 pm EST

Rabid,,, Year after year I'm positive about Sather's questionable signings. I usually have a wait and see attitude. No More, I'm done. He makes the same mistake almost every year and it's never worked out.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:15 pm EST

BobbyRyan: I'm hopeful the guy tells the Senastors that he doesn't want to wait for the Senators to become a playoff competitor and tells them he's not re-signing with them... We're gonna have to over-pay in terms of prospects because they're gonnna shop him hard (no NMC/NTC) & we need them to eat some of his salary (they have $14m in cap space "with" Ryan on their books) this year... AON, Next year in all likelihood, we'll have to move Nash unless the Rogers contract pays handsomely enough to raise the cap substantially, and we're not in a world war 3 (and unfortunately, I'm not joking). ....... Everythings for sale at a price...

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:06 pm EST

RIP Joan Rivers. Rough month for comedians.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 2:01 pm EST

Re: Dan Boyle's number 22...can just hear that conversation...Boyle: "Wow...you guys got my jersey made quickly...Thanks!" Rangers: "No problem. We have extras too." Boyle: "Just one thing...um...they're a little big." Rangers:"Big? Well, what do you mean?" Boyle: "Uh...this jersey comes down to my knees...and kind of looks like Paul Bunyan wore it before...and it smells too...there's even some dried blood on the sleave" Rangers: "Don't worry...they shrink in the wash..."

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:59 pm EST

I've never seen a player bashed as much as Glass having never pulled the sweater on. Not just here.in most here are pretty level headed people ( I might be the most uneven LOL) The advance metric stats guys elsewhere have just been KILLING this guy from the getgo. I can't do that. have to hope the other teams that were after him & AV liking him prove out. And if he sucks, well, then its open season.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:52 pm EST

schneidw- totally agree..tks

cnparda


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:45 pm EST

MF... JMO, but the only chance we have of getting Bobby Ryan is if the Sens can't re-sign him and he comes here as an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:19 pm EST

Hospo... Many people consider Glass the worst player in the NHL.... Per Kukla's Korner.... "Tanner Glass is one player who doesn't belong on a team as good as Pittsburgh. He managed only two points all season but played every regular season game. Come playoff time, he was scratched in all but five playoff games. When the games got important, Pittsburgh realized that he was a liability. Despite that he is signed for next season. It will be interesting if Pittsburgh plays him regularly next season. Glass is your typical example of a player who is ineffective and still playing. He is a hard working, fan favorite that his teammates like who has been totally ineffective. It is hard to scratch popular player who works hard regardless of how much of a liability he is. A player like Tanner Glass shouldn't be in the NHL. Even in his best season, he had never done better than five goals and 16 points. The typical "replacement player" would be more valuable than Tanner Glass."

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:06 pm EST

I think we need to figure out who has a prayer of a future with the NY Rangers & who does not... Guys like Kristo, Mc-ill-knee, Fast, Bourque, Allen, Lindburg, JTMiller, etc..... & start packaging & trading up for fewer but "more attractive" players... Then take that a step further & trade one more time for a top six player....... There are plenty of players around to restock the farm........ There are four / five seriously good teams to beat this season: L.A., Chicago, Anaheim, St.Louis, perhaps Tampa Bay, and I'd venture to say that we all want to win the whole enchalada this year.... I'm specifically talking Bobby Ryan....... Fitting it under the Cap is going to be tricky..... LW: Bobby ryan, Kreider, Hagelin, Ryan Malone... Center: Stepan, Brassard, John Moore, and whoever... RW: Nash, Zucc, MSL, and whoever..... That leaves us 1 center slot to fill, and 1 RW slot to fill.... Our defense is obviously set, and we have the King/Prince tandem in the net ..... Thats a lineup that can compete with any of those five or six teams, and handle the physical side of the game as well.....

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:54 pm EST

RHET - If so, I will soon learn to hate him! :) but I get the feeling that he is a little better skater, hitter (lead the Pens while Rupp jut kinda roamed) and can kill some penalties (3rd pair),...Again, not a player I would have targeted, but hopefully AV knows what he's doing here..

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:39 pm EST

or worse, he could have a glass chin.... ;-)

mf


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:37 pm EST

Hospo... Glass is Mike Rupp 2.0

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:31 pm EST

RHET/TDCHI - I too would have liked to have kept Carcillo around...I honestly don't mind Glass..He's tougher and a better fighter than the human punching bags names Dorsett and Carcillo and I will give AV the benefit of the doubt because this was obviously a player he wanted...I would have just liked a little more toughness in addition to Glas..and I don't mean Nick Tarnaksy...Even with Glass, this team has little protection and menace...If Glass gets hurt, they have ZERO...

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:19 pm EST

Messier11... How well have we done with signing goons over the years? I also don't care about winning fights, I only care about winning games. I'd much rather have an agitator than a goon.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:36 am EST

gonna be weird seeing BOYLE 22 flying up from blue line

Messier11


Thu Sep 4 2014 11:34 am EST

I too didn't understand Glass signing at first. But his numbers/fight card were better than Carcillos and Dorsetts. Should be an improvement.

Messier11


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:56 am EST

And Hospo, Gilbert was everything to me growing up. People forget but the 3 years before his contract trouble, slow start and ultimate retirement, he had point goals of 75, 86, and 97!!! All of which would have led last years Rangers by a mile. It was a different time and he was heartbroken, but he should have demanded a trade(or agreed to one, as Ferguson was apparently trying to manufacture) and come back when that asshole was gone. Lousy ending, and always wondered what No. 7 would have been had he not broken his back and nearly had a leg amputated. That man is ROYALTY to me.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:49 am EST

Ranger47-if memory serves-AK27's clutch goal in game 6 near end of 2nd period cut the Dev's lead in half to 2-1. They were up 2-0, completely bottling up the NYR in neutral zone with 4 D across the blueline-daring the Rangers to dump, only for Uncle Daddy to bang out of the zone. Things looked hopeless. I remember Keenan moved him to Mess' RW for offense late in 2nd (he was 2nd line center, but sometimes Iron Mike would stack the first line). Mess dropped it to AK, who faked a slapper and then walked in a few more steps mear the top of the circle, backing in the D, and fired it past fatso. Never will I forget that game, o game 7 in that series and Vancouver. Best year ever.

puckyou


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:39 am EST

Yeah, and for those keeping score at home, for Fast that's 3 number changes and one name change.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:37 am EST

I'm a bit surprised the Rangers didn't save #12 for Hayes. New Ranger numbers.... Michael Kostka: 4 ; Matthew Lombardi: 45; .Dan Boyle: 22; Tanner Glass: 15; Lee Stempniak: 12; Jesper Fast will switch from 12 to 91.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:36 am EST

Don't disagree TD. Especially in light of Malone's tryout. We'd all love Malone in his prime, 6-4/25-goal beast. But he hasn't been that player for some time, and its a real question if he ever will be again. Carcillo was acclimated here, played physical, is younger AND was scoring some BIG goals for this team.

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:31 am EST

puckyou: Don't know if you ever heard this, but in an interview Kovalev said that when he was being left out there on the ice for so long (as punishment) he was thinking "I must be doing really well because the coach is giving me extra ice time"! :) Many people forget that without that key late (game tying?) Kovalev goal, there would not have been the Messier hat trick to win that game 6 against the Devils.

Ranger47


Thu Sep 4 2014 10:24 am EST

I already regret signing Glass. There's always a Sather head scratcher every season and this is the latest in a long line of them. Trading Dorsett to keep Carcillo made sense. Trading Dorsett to sign Glass, not so much.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:36 am EST

RR - I have a feeling that's something we're going to come to regret...

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:06 am EST

Carcillo - Pens tryout

Rabid Ranger


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:04 am EST

I agree with most of the sentiment on AK27. One of my all time favorite Rangers and one of the most skilled players I ever saw. If GRETZKY had AK27's body and physical ability he could have scored 400 points in a season. Like others, when the topic comes up I remind everyone about game 6 against the Devils. It was a performance I will never forget because two guys made it possible. First, RICHTER kept the team in the game by standing on his head and making incredible save after incredible save early in the game. The second half of the game was an unforgettable performance by AK27. He came out and destroyed the Devils' NZT all by himself. After that series some Devil players were asked about that game. They all agreed that they had the Rangers beat. They had them shut down and bottled up. The Rangers could do nothing against them.....until AK27 took it upon himself to beat the NZT on his own. The Devils simply couldn't stop him and it turned the game around. There are very few players in the history of the league who had that kind of ability. It is unfortunate that he didn't have the hockey sense or a mind for the game that matched his physical ability. It is unfortunate that he never found the consistency in his game to make him an elite player throughout his career. He had some terrific years (especially with the PENS) but he also had some pedestrian years.

Vic


Thu Sep 4 2014 9:02 am EST

TDCHI - You know I also love MILLER's combo of size, skill and grit and I oh so bad wabt it to be there in NY consisitently...But, so far, with his 10 cent Brain and what has seemed like some off ice attitude/effort issues, it just hasn't translated...Of course he should beat out a guy like MUELLER .....BUt IMO, I don't think he should or will beat out guys like LOMBARDI and STEMPNIAK and I really only see him fighting for ONE spot.over guys like Mueller, Fast, Hayes,,,But who knows if Malone enters the question...He should win it but is far fom a lock given his past in NY..all in MWO of course.

Hospo


Thu Sep 4 2014 7:56 am EST

RR: I hope you're right on MZA. On Staal, IMO it's imperative that he be moved before the deadline if contract talks are going nowhere. First off, he's a top 4 defenseman and those don't exactly grow on trees, so losing him next summer for nothing is downright foolish. Secondly, too many high draft picks have been squandered lately - if you're gonna lose a top 4 d-man you'd better get something to help address that back. A first rounder must be included in any deal involving Staal (plus a top prospect and a young established player).

RF4L


Thu Sep 4 2014 7:49 am EST

AK27 was one of the most talented players to ever lace them up. I saw his first exhibition game at MSG-I think he was 19, skinny, but you could see at first glimpse the kid had mad skills-he was a thoroughbred. He could dangle in a phone booth. He shot weighted pucks to build his wrister growing up-had a great skating stride, and grew to be quite strong. He could bring people out of their seats.He may have had the skill of a Pavel Bure, maybe not as speedy-but not near the brain or hockey IQ. Mike Keenan reigned him in- gave him tough love-kept him on the ice for almost the entire 2nd period of a game once when he overstayed his shift. But Colin Campbell didn't know how to handle him-it seemed he never really liked the Russian players (ran Zubov out of town also-jackass move), and his confidence went down as trade rumors surfaced. I still say he was one of the top 5 core of the '94 team(Leetch, Richter,Mess, Graves)-maybe top 3 He scored some big goals that year in the playoffs. If he never scores that first goal at the end of 2nd period in game 6 in NJ-Messier's prediction never comes true.

puckyou


Thu Sep 4 2014 6:00 am EST

AK27 that guy was single handedly one of the top 3 talents of the 90s his mind just wasn't always running in synch with his talent. I remember a game during the 97-98 season where kovy decided for one reason or another he was going to kill off 3/4 of the pk all by himself. He played keep away from 1:30 and made guys look like they were skating in quicksand deking guys pulled a spin o Rama it was just an awesome display of skating and puck handling. When he was on it was insane and his shot was a canon not surprised he's skating h used to play house league hockey and pick up hockey at Chelsea

York18


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:08 am EST

Guys, the other thing some of you are missing with these contracts is that they're a two-way street. Take POULIOT for example...the guy got his payday...something he wasn't going to get here...ever...had he broken down and signed a contract in February, he'd be locked in probably at $3 million per...probably even less. There's a very good chance he didn't WANT to sign...with STAAL, the Rangers need to lock him up...plain and simple...I could almost guarantee the awesome resurrection of STRALMAN'S career levels off and plummets back to earth now that he's not with a guy who covers his ass all the time...Staal is a beast....even when he's got a bum eye and his concussion history, he's a beast...The ONLY reason he's not a first pairing defenseman is because the Rangers have another beast who is even better in McDONAGH...The Rangers losing Staal would be a huge setback...I've seen nothing out of John MOORE to suggest he could jump in Staal's shoes....and for GIRARDI being the next Rozy...well...I just don't get that...those three need to be kept at all costs...the rest can get swapped out, traded or let go...but McDonagh, Staal and Girardi? They're second, third and fourth most important on the team behind LUNDQVIST.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 1:01 am EST

Hospo - Certainly everything is merit-based...and if a guy like MUELLER beats out MILLER in camp? Sure. Send the kid to Hartford...but I think the odds of that happening are pretty slim...I keep saying this: JT looked great in those games right before he went down. He was looking like he belonged....and if he plays like that in camp, then yes, he deserves a spot, plain and simple...I would also say this: There are VERY few guys on the Rangers' roster that bring the combination of size, skill and grit that he does. Pretty much KREIDER is the only other forward that has those three things. I would say at this point, a roster spot is Miller's to lose...AV jammed a verbal cattle prod to him last winter and he responded they way a young player should.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:55 am EST

I love AK27, but I just can't see him getting a tryout. Maybe one like NEDVED did a few years back...but the guy called it a day with Florida and I guess that was basically because they mutually decided he just couldn't hack it. Now granted, that was the lockout...and maybe Kovy wasn't in shape...but sitting out a year? And let's face it: Unlike some of these other 40-something guys who keep contributing, Kovalev never really did have a good two-way game...I just can't see the stars aligning in a way that he'd make the Rangers...maybe he does something like FLEURY did a few years back...skates with the team through camp just to say goodbye to the Garden...seems to me the guy always thought of himself as a Ranger...and still does. Shame he didn't reach that conclusion before resigning with Montreal all those years ago...Kovy on the 2005-2006 Rangers would have been something else.

tdchi


Thu Sep 4 2014 12:15 am EST

MF - MIller IS due but IMO He doesn't deserve jack....There are so many NHL calibre players and NHL ready players that the spots should go to players that earn it in camp...be it JT, Fast, Hayes, Stemp, Lombardi, Malone..I still see the vets coming out on top.....RABID - Yeah, AK27 isn't my type of players but there is always one really skilled player that I just end up loving because their talent(s) are so good and I can also handle and chuckle at their mistakes because I know thier heart and effort is in it 100%...ROD GILBERT was my all time fave..The skating and slapshot.....I was an instant fan of AK27 first becuase of the god given talent and stickhanlding..then there was MARC SAVARD and his passing....Kinda lime KREIDER and MZA niw..and some others

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 11:04 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/bruins-sign-david-krejci-for-six-years-commit-to-the-core-and-another-stanley-cup/

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:39 pm EST

Hospo: IMO JT Miller is due and deserves a spot on the big club.. Kevin Hayes should join Hartford for some top line minutes and intense acclimation & observation within the NYRanger's organization to be prepared for a call-up.... AON, I'd like to see Ryan Malone make an impression and force Tanner Glass to be traded... I'm not overly concerned or pissed that we signed Glass to $1.45 for three years, because things developed afterward and now he could be expendable.... Is he gone yet? :-) ........

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:35 pm EST

Hospo , didnt know you were such an Alexei fan. Kinda surprised actually. Thought you preferred more of a blue collar type. I always liked Kovalev but man could he gum up the works, drive you fucking batty. The whole team is heading north-south and Alex gets determined to beat a certain forechecker for what ever reason and starts swirling LOL, man it gets ugly. Ain't got time for that now.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:27 pm EST

I don't like the Girardi contract and see him becoming Rozsival Part Deux in the near future.. The contract is at least one year too long, 6 years remaing on a 30 yr old... I confess that I checked out Kevin Kleins TOI to see if he could log Girardi's minutes... RE; STAAL.. I'm on the fence about Staal, could see us offering him a 5 yr $5.5mill deal which would match & carry him through Girardi's term... I don't think any of our kids can fill in for Staal, the closest may be John Moore, and then look to promote a kid to the 3rd pairing Left Side.... I think it may be easier to replace Girardi than Staal.... In any event, theres only so much dough to go around......

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:20 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - - What I meant by my comment was that I might have gone a little bigger or physical with one of my forward aqusitions...However, it seems like Sather and AV are going for a faster, quicker, more skilled and flexible forward set..and who am I to argue?..Given that plan, I really like the signings of guys like LOMBARDI and STEMP...MALONe would only make it better......KOVALEV even more!!! The more veterans the more likel ythe kids start in Hartford where just about every one of them belongs or could use a few months............BRING ON AK27 baby!!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:20 pm EST

I forgot to add John Moore's name as a guy who could THEORETICALLY move up in 2015-16. The coaches already love him. He will need a big step up in play & consistency to give them the confidence to let a Marc Staal walk. But again, Moore at a million a year or Staal locked in for another 4-5 years and tens of millions more on the books, its worth the wait & see. If I'm Sather now I have Nash, Staal, Girardi and maybe a few more guys on the wait-n-see list for next year.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:05 pm EST

RF, Zuccarello has supposedly been given assurances he is next in line for a long term deal. That was the tradeoff for signing a one year contract and given us some cap relief, not that they don't want to lock him up anyway. It cant be announced until Jan 15 but I'm sure they have some parameters in place. God knows I've differed with Sather on personnel (and coaches!!), but contracts are the one area I have a lot of faith in him, and like the way he conducts it. Sure people can cheap shot him on Gomez and Drury contracts, but in the cap era IDK what else he should have done. The only time the club has strength in negotiating is with RFAs. You have to squeeze them. The players know. They get their revenge as UFAs. Just look at 3 guys we gave BIG chances to in Puliot, Boyle, and Stralman. They all bolted for bigger bucks first chance (there were some extenuating circumstances). Now Staal is another case where I think caution is required. Callahan, Girardi, Hank, and Staal were the big 4 unsigned going into last hear.Lundqvist was I believe an exception in that they thought he could lose his mind, and thusly they'd lose the season, if they didn't lock him up. I hate the contract but I get it. Girardi they gave a market deal, really under market a bit, but they can move that contract. Cally they cut loose. But Staal not only has a spotty injury record, but there is a legit question if the Skjeis and Allen's can step up next year, 2015-2016. If so, you can't be locked into so many long term deals, paying a Staal 4-6/$24-36m, when a 1st or 2nd year pro can be had for 800k. The cap means you need to be extra crafty, not that we aren't better WITH Marc Staal. It was very obvious how quickly the D became wobbly without him last year. But I can't blame Sather just yet. If Staal allows his contract situation to affect his play, that's on Marc Staal. Sorry so long-winded, these things are complicated as I see them.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:54 pm EST

schneidw: Sather & the Brass were semi-handcuffed which "thankfully" limited their moves... There were higher priorities than Pouliot which had to be addressed first before the NYR's could think of extending him an offer.. Pouliot was somewhat of journeyman until landing with us, and things clicked for him here, enough so that Edmonton paid full retail for his services.. He puts up decent numbers for a season, and gets offered a contract we'd never match.. Next up, signing or contemplating what to do with Staal, Stepan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Talbot, MSL, and Sather & Co are still going to find themselves semi-handcuffed..... IMO, I believe will resign MSL after this season & NASH will be moved.........

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:26 pm EST

Alex Kovalev is a bad memory. The blight of the 94 cup IMHO, he drove me to insanity....and that was in his "good year" the following years had me speaking in foreign tongues. I could NOT stand that player.

WIOSA


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:17 pm EST

schneidw: Agreed - I've posted on here about my displeasure/confusion over how Sather appears to approach resigning pending free agents. I get it if they are restricted, but pending unrestricted? Makes no sense. Other than the King, he appears to be consistent - it's a privilege to play for me and the New York Rangers; therefore, I'll wait to you come to me. Staal will be yet another, along with someone who's arguably equally important: MZA. I find it indefensible.

RF4L


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:06 pm EST

TD- only ones from that list remotely close to cracking Blues roster are Hakanpaa and Binnington. And that'd take some serious injuries.

Messier11


Wed Sep 3 2014 8:38 pm EST

CNPARDA- Holiday weekend right? I would think sooner the better...

schneidw


Wed Sep 3 2014 8:37 pm EST

JFC/Hospo- Curious what player moves you would have done differently than Sather... I don't understand the mindset of waiting until the season ends and player becomes UFA like Pioulliot whom was excellent during the 2nd half of season and contributed ALOT to NYR forecheck and net crashing. That is my biggest gripe..why not sign him during the season? Otherwise,i am OK w losing the other players... I sure hope they sign Staal... NYRs do not need the media distraction of Staal being asked about his contract every city they play... it will get in his head for sure...

schneidw


Wed Sep 3 2014 8:01 pm EST

Long time no post. Quick question for the experts. I am taking the family to the Rangers game against Philthy for the Nov 29-day game. Is it better to buy tix through the tickets now website or wait till the rangers open the tickets up? I think I know the answer but want to verify. Thanks guys!

cnparda


Wed Sep 3 2014 7:53 pm EST

Didn't expect to be commenting on Alexei Kovalev. If it were a legit tryout, I'd feel bad if he didn't make it - and worse if he did. Always really liked him, and his aw shucks comments don't fool me. Wtf is he doin there? Just out for a skate? With the SC finalists? Yeah right. He probably sees Jagr and expansion and our offensive- minded coach figures he may have a few years left after all. If not here maybe someone notices him. But seriously, how many vets are our kids going to have to fight through to make this team?

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 7:18 pm EST

MF... In regard to Moore.... My guess is that the Rangers are trying to squeeze as much money out of John Moore as they can to give themselves more cap space. It's not completely fair, but it could be the difference between the team keeping a 7th defenseman or not. There is also still a chance that Malone picks the Rangers. He was a former teammate of Dom Moore, MSL and Kostka. Maybe that has some sway with him. We'll see ....TD.... I would give AK27 a camp invite.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 3 2014 6:59 pm EST

Do NOT tease me with these Kovalev rumors!!! I beg you..One of my fav Rangers of all time...I even loved his brain farts and fuck ups!!! Big NICK would love to see old PILOT BOY also! Man..old times....But seriously, stay retired Alex!! Man, he was a beast in the 94 POs (and other times)!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 6:52 pm EST

Had a buddy who saw AK27 at MSG against the Habs..said he looked like he was in great shape...Hated both times AK was traded...especially the second time, because we ultimately got squat for him. Imagine him and JAGR on a team together...oh wait...I guess that would be the 2000-2001 Penguins.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 6:34 pm EST

Don't count out Alexei Kovalev just yet ..... Asked if he is trying to make a comeback, Kovalev said “I wish that was the case but, I don’t think anyone would be interested in me. It’s just fun, I miss the ice. I love to play hockey and sometimes when I have a chance to play, it doesn’t matter, it’s just going out there and having fun. Today and yesterday was fun to see some of the young guys, the young talent and what they are capable of and it’s always a learning process and maybe you pass on some things to some kids. It’s just fun to be out there.” (Rangers) On seeing the banner from 1994, Kovalev said, “It tells me how old I am, it seems to me like yesterday. Once in a while I watch the video of game seven against Vancouver and game six and seven against New Jersey. Those times were fun and I wish to bring them back and all you can do is watch them and enjoy them and show your kids.” (Rangers)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 3 2014 5:36 pm EST

To E and HamiltonHellHound if you're lurking out there...Check your email. Open the e-vite. Follow enclosed instructions please...post haste!

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 4:33 pm EST

mf - re: JOHANSEN... ZERO way they trade him. Kid is a beast...he's a center...and he's 22. They got the cap space, but would rather not jack him up to $7 million per right now, and I can't blame them...RyJo will sign with Columbus. Question will be if he gets his payday now or next year.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 4:26 pm EST

Now if you want a craptacular TC roster, look no further than the Blues: Forwards Ivan Barbashev (2nd rd, 2014) Cody Beach (5th rd, 2010) Greg Betzold (Amateur tryout) Samuel Blais (6th rd, 2014) Chris Caissy (Amateur tryout) Jaedon Descheneau (5th rd, 2014) Jacob Doty (Signed as free agent) Robby Fabbri (1st rd, 2014) Justin Gutierrez (Amateur tryout) Kevin Hart (Professional tryout) Adam Helewka (Amateur tryout) Zach Pochiro (4th rd, 2013) Evan Polei (Amateur tryout) Ryan Tesink (6th rd, 2011) Yannick Veilleux (4th rd, 2011) C.J. Yakimowicz (6th rd, 2014) Defensemen Joel Edmundson (2nd rd, 2011) Jani Hakanpaa (4th rd, 2010) Petteri Lindbohm (6th rd, 2012) Luke Mercer (Amateur tryout) Santeri Saari (6th rd, 2013) Dmitrii Sergeev (Amateur tryout) Thomas Vannelli (2nd rd, 2013) Goaltenders Jordan Binnington (3rd rd, 2011) Niklas Lundstrom (5th rd, 2011)

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:39 pm EST

CBJ: Have they signed Johansen yet? yesterday I read that they are $3mill apart & it's looking like he's gonna be late for camp..... No way they want any part of Nash, but you can "bet your bippy" (Rowan & Martin's Laugh-in) my trade winds are blowin.......

mf


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:36 pm EST

Ranger47 - I dunno...NASH got some heat in Columbus after that team failed to do anything really from the time he was drafted until the time he was traded...I certainly don't advocate booing any player wearing the colors...I don't blame fans for booing the goddamn powerplay...but I think in general, the Rangers slip into an interesting category where they're kind of insulated from criticism because NYC cares more about the Knicks and the Yankees than anything that happens in hockey...and from where I stand, I really don't think the Nash-bashing has been bad in the media, which is where a guy like him would hear it...certainly fans like myself are pissed...but to say he's getting treated badly in New York? Bah. I don't buy it. I mean, compare him to what Wade REDDEN faced...Redden basically got booed from midway through his first season until he was buried in Hartford...Nash, like I mentioned, gets a verbal handjob from NBC every time they air a Ranger game.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:30 pm EST

Wow. CBJ have a pretty kick-ass team going to Traverse City. I'd say at this point, they're the team to beat: FORWARD (14) – 53 Josh Anderson, 65 Oliver Bjorkstrand, 56 Marko Dano, 84 Mike Dipaolo*, 85 Kyle Hope*, 57 Sonny Milano, 67 Nick Moutrey, 79 Julien Pelletier, 75 Peter Quenneville, 52 Kerby Rychel, 45 Lukas Sedlak, 68 Markus Soberg, 49 T.J. Tynan, 41 Alexander Wennberg. DEFENSE (9) – 64 Dillon Heatherington, 62 Thomas Larkin, 82 Olivier Leblanc, 73 Isaac MacLeod*, 54 Austin Madaisky, 87 Marcus McIvor*, 86 Kevin Ryan*, 78 Blake Siebenaler, 89 Nick Walters*. GOALTENDER (2) – 31 Anton Forsberg, 35 Oscar Dansk.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:15 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - I would have done it differently but I still agree with you and think that Sather had a good positive off season for the position he was in....I like the vet aquisitions on the cheap and think they will all be important..A very flexible and fairly deep set of lines. vets and kids both..No matter way the Rangers go at the onset (I think it will be the vets) there should be insurance and trade chips for later on...

Hospo


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:04 pm EST

schneidw after auto-correct = Schneider! Lol!

JFC31


Wed Sep 3 2014 3:03 pm EST

Schneider-- Sather looked like he actually had a plan this off-season and he deserves credit for it. Whether it works out or not remains to be seen, but it seems he wanted to improve the PP (Boyle) and he went the "interchangeable flock of,forwards " route. He's got a lot of redundancy, he signed experienced UFAs in hopes that they fit AVs system....he got speed, versatility and PK ability in those players....and he also got young players who have promise and help make up for loss of 1st round picks (I include Haggerty in there even though he was signed late last season). If there are injuries/trades, AV will still have players to plug any holes created. It seems that Sather wasn't just flying by the seat go his pants....he(and the rest of the staff) seems to gave thought it through and followed through. We'll see how it turns out, but he's earned his pay this summer AFAIAC.

JFC31


Wed Sep 3 2014 1:53 pm EST

SATHER OFFSEASON: I realize I am in the minority but I thought SATHER had a solid offseason...especially given the salary cap implications now and in the future.... I still think losing Stralman, Boyle and Richards will be negligible in terms of progress.... I did want Piouliot back however and was bummed he left but agree his contract is out of wack... Looks like next summer will be more of the same... SIGN STAAL ASAP. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2185141-ranking-the-nhl-teams-with-salary-cap-issues-beyond-2014-15/page/8

schneidw


Wed Sep 3 2014 1:23 pm EST

It soitently couldn't hoit! :^)

JFC31


Wed Sep 3 2014 1:12 pm EST

TD: While I share your pessimism. the fact is that in many other smaller cities they vocally support all ofl their players wearing the home team jersey regardless of how well they are playing (Your team and your guys are your guys so rally around them, especially if your payroll prevents you from bringing in other better guys).. So, I would suspect that it's highly likely that Nash never got booed or criticized in Columbus, especially not to the degree he's hearing it here in NY (albeit perhaps not undeserved).. Could be that if the NY fans were more vocally supportive of Nash it might help him mentally and confidence-wise to play better. Of course, in this city that is not going to happen....But he is what he is after his concussions and vocal criticism of him might be counterproductive to his results. I don;t give him a pass, but I'm also being realistic about what to expect a player in his condition and personality to do.....

Ranger47


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:57 am EST

mf - he needs to do more than just step away from the bong...try the crack pipe. And maybe the glue he's huffing. What a goddamn retard. Wait. Scratch that. It would be politically incorrect to liken retards to someone of his ilk. So if we cheer Nash on, he's going to suddenly pop out of his funk and be that all-star everyone knew he could be so many years ago? PUHLEASE...In fact, the only thing that sort of juiced the guy up was returning to Columbus to show up all the fans that were saying 'good riddance'...Nash's ego isn't the problem...it's that he simply isn't the all-star power forward he was billed to be in his draft year and when Howson was in the process of fleecing Sather. Look, I hope the guy proves me wrong. I'm REALLY hoping he does...but blowing sunshine up the guy's ass certainly ain't going to help. The morons at NBC do a good enough job of that already...and by the by...has anyone else notice that KREIDER has amass more points and goals than Nash in the same amount of playoff games? Ahh Rick Nash...the Rangers' enigma du jour.

tdchi


Wed Sep 3 2014 10:07 am EST

MF, Katie Strang said she was told Malone definitely still a possibility to accept PTO. One of the TB beat guys tweeted Malone had several offers, sounded like he'd decide soon. My guess is he's trying to figure what's best situation for him. We're probably the best team he could join, but he wants a job No. 1 and ours isn't the easiest lineup to crack. Whatever he decides, I'd think with guys skating already it happens soon.

Rabid Ranger


Wed Sep 3 2014 9:10 am EST

Any new news on JMoore? Capgeek showing $1,322,500.....JTMiller up, Fast,Hunwick,Kostka,Mueller down, frees up $1,765,000.....Any news on Ryan Malone?......Any news on contract talk with Staal. Step? We'll start getting news....

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 10:37 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/02/ryan-malone-impact-j-t-miller-new-york-rangers/

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 9:30 pm EST

This guy needs to, "Step away from the bong!" http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/thenyrblog-rick-nash-challenge.html

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 9:16 pm EST

McDonagh is a guy I WANT showing up last minute. Let him rest as much as possible. I didn't want Hank facing live ammo until Thanksgiving. I thin his competitive nature has him back and looking to get started, but mentally he carried as heavy a load as a goalie could last year. I hope AV is mindful of it and rotates he & Talbot well into the season. One more thing on Haggerty. Should have said, he'd be our top WING as a RHS. Kristo can still snipe form the middle naturally and Stepan ain't all that bad. BUT, here's the thing. As deep as this franchise is, we don't have a real sharpshooter. Kreider could be if he progresses. But a RHS can make some hay on the PP. and as much as we don't have many sniperS, we DO have some big-time playmakers. Our guys can really pass the puck, from Zuc to Step to Brass. Now if a guy like Haggerty finds some chemistry with one of them (assuming the rest of his games is in order) you could see a guy like Haggerty go from from a 17-goal scorer to 34 very easily. Could, would, should, who knows.... He's very young yet. See what happens.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 8:51 pm EST

McDonagh is not leading from behind because he's not yet skating with his fellow teammates at what's not even an optional skate. That's like saying that Mark Messier led from behind every year he was a NY Ranger because he was never at the practice facility for early skates with his teammates. Brian Boyle and Brad Richards (among others) both worked out elsewhere before showing up to camp every year. Also, we don't know if guys are still nursing injuries or even just working out at the facility. The beat writers probably don't even know that.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 8:00 pm EST

Huge fan of HAGGERTY. Even mentioned him here before the signing came down the pike. I say this about the kid: He knows how to put the puck in the net. Has a nice, quick release that catches goalies off-guard. The rest of his game isn't flashy...and I've heard some grimacing about his speed...but that release and even better, the accuracy of his shot...that could really turn some heads in New York. I don't think he stands much of a chance of making the team this year, but he could end up on the roster sooner than later...I've said this about the kid...and it's something I've mentioned about MILLER too...but he's a guy who has gotten consistently better as the years have gone on...you look at his point and goal totals and it really tells you a lot about the effort he's spent to get to where he is...Last year, he was literally the go-to guy on RPI. Game plan was more or less get Haggerty in scoring position...get him the puck...let him fire away...here's a few great clips to whet your appetite before TC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bQo5A6dE9Q

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:55 pm EST

Yeah MF. With Kristo moving to center (according to Clark) if Stemp doesnt regain his scoring touch from many moons ago, Haggerty becomes the top RHS sniper theyve got.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:35 pm EST

HAGGERTY also happens to be a RHS, could carry a little weight for the kid.. Ditto "court Jesper Fasth." ....... With all this sudden apparent depth, Stempniak shouldn't take his assignment as a lock..... jmonaturally

mf


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:15 pm EST

Cant have a captain who leads from behind. And Im not talking about from the blue line. Has to set the example

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:05 pm EST

Yeah IDK TD; Id have my ass in there. Next few days id expect everyone to arrive. If we know who is there they should. To me if Hank is taking shots its time, you should be there.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 7:01 pm EST

Its Haggerty obviously, and meant to say Ive liked everything Ive seen & read from this kid. Real attentive working with the coaches and he rips the puck, plus hes a lifelong diehard Ranger fan. So a guy to root for. Will be interesting to see if a guy like Stemp & Haggerty are neck & neck in camp which way AV decides to go. My guess is he leans vets like last year but maybe he surprises us.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 6:56 pm EST

RR - probably a bad example. Stemp is a product of New York, albeit western NY...yeah, I get it. But if I thought an extra couple of weeks with my fam might stand the difference between me riding a charter bus and playing in the AHL or playing in MSG...I'm showing up the day they unlock the door...not holding it against guys, but just pointing it out that it seems to me strange, especially with how many guys are already at the training facility.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 6:46 pm EST

Case in point on camp arrivals, Haggertu lives up the road in CT and has been there throughout. But maybe a Stemp is in western canada, when he leaves his family its for months do they wait a while longer.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 5:57 pm EST

Jesus HEXTALL, please stop crying & stroking DEL ZOTTO... it's embarrassing.

hipcheck


Tue Sep 2 2014 4:53 pm EST

Absent the Flyers, I'd be surprised if Zac RINALDO had a job in the NHL. They're the only Mickey Mouse organization that seems to have a crotch-popping woody for a diminutive little jabbering punk like this.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 4:37 pm EST

Will be interesting to see what happens with HRIVIK this season...he was a very solid player back when I first saw him skate...decent size, good skill...not a surefire NHLer, but someone who appeared to be on that track. Then he had at least one concussion. Maybe more...I remember watching him get his clock cleaned in Adirondack a couple years back and he hasn't been the same player since...with all the other forwards now in the system, he's really fallen down and now off the depth charts...but I wouldn't discount this kid if he can pull it all back together. He came on fast for the Whale in the playoffs a few years back...and last year, though I think he was mostly healthy, he just dropped down to a third-line spot...tough to see where he'd fit behind guys like Miller, Kristo, Hayes, Bourque and even Haggerty and McCarthy...but it sounds like he's looking to make an impact. Good to see. Wish him the best of luck.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 3:36 pm EST

Add to the list of 10 skaters today..... Haggerty, Klein, D. Moore and Hrivik. I'm not sure who #15 was, unless the Rangers were counting Kovalev.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 3:08 pm EST

Perhaps the greatest meme of all time.... Happy Birthday Matteau, Matteau, Matteau.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/506819367024467968/photo/1

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 3:00 pm EST

Flyers re-sign Zac Rinaldo to a 2 year contract extension.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 2:15 pm EST

Ryan Haggerty has been one of the Rangers who has been at the training center as players start returning to New York and working out together. Haggerty says that he has the benefit of being close and “living down the road” in Stamford and that it helps to get in extra work and extra time on the ice with the players that he hopes to be playing with. Haggerty says that being there early is all about trying to get better but also learning the tendencies of his teammates. (Rangers) He says that his mindset for training camp is to take everything in stride and be ready for whatever Alain Vigneault and the coaches throw at him. He says that one important aspect is not getting down about mistakes and just trying to do your best. (Rangers) While with the team at the end of the season and playoffs, Haggerty said that he got to see how the players acted everyday, what their routines are and how to be a pro. (Rangers) The Sports Forecaster has Haggerty making the NHL in 2015-16 and adds that he is a player who “knows how to score.”

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 1:39 pm EST

TD.... Almost to a man, most Ranger players have said that McDonagh is the guy. I certainly don't see them giving the C to a 39 year old player (not on such a young-ish team). I think the only real question is who get's the A's? I think Staal keeps his and IMO they really should give a forward the other one. MSL would be a good choice for an A. Either way, it's still Lundqvist's team.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:58 pm EST

I know the odds-on favorites for the 'C' are McDONAGH and GIRARDI...but I have a suspicious feeling Marty St. LOUIS could be a dark horse candidate...

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:42 pm EST

I don't like it either TD, I wish they all arrived same time. But a guy can be busting his ass training, at home. Or, he could be at the practice facility working office. Or he's out running up mountains somewhere (it might even benefit certain players more than a simple shoot around) Or he's en route to Greenburg. We don't know. We do know its a very close knit group that's real serious about winning. The UFAs? Again, can't say. They couldn't be in a men's league somewhere like Pat Kane. Just no way to tell. Now if guys show up last minute like JT last year, that I really don't like. But, even guys like Hayes, he was in last week and went back home, isn't there today. So its informal for a reason.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:26 pm EST

RR - not saying to hammer them...just kind of a WTF in my mind...actually, it's AWESOME to see so many regulars turn out and start work...the real question mark for me is the UFA signings not arriving early...man, if I were Lombardi or Stemp especially...Not sure which link it was, but one of them below basically outlines how easy it will be for the Rangers to bury those guys in Hartford...and it's easier than I expected...the gist was that basically if these guys get beat out for a roster spot, there is nothing stopping Sather from making them ride AHL buses all season long...Clearly Miller got that message...

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:08 pm EST

Step just got married. Good.... He could use to play a little angry LOL..... Nash I have no idea....once everyone is there I know I'D want l be there. But I can't hammer guys because they're not required to be in yet.

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:06 pm EST

Perhaps its just me...but does anyone else find it odd that BOYLE is the only one among the recent signees that showed up for workouts today? No GLASS, LOMBARDI, or STEMPNIAK...Two other conspicuous absences, IMO, are STEPAN and NASH...Man...after the playoffs they had...I'm a little surprised they're not showing up early...Step, too, because he held out last year...and Nash..for the love of god, this guy needs to do SOMETHING to get his career back on track.

tdchi


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:04 pm EST

maybe an A for MSL

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:02 pm EST

I nominate Staal, Girardi and Zucc

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 12:02 pm EST

The C, As should be coming from that group, not from no-shows

Messier11


Tue Sep 2 2014 11:24 am EST

Yeah That, and one other guy skating today....Alexei Kovalev.... Supposedly said not a comeback but yikes anyway LOL....

Rabid Ranger


Tue Sep 2 2014 11:05 am EST

15 Rangers are going through informal workouts today at the MSG training center. (Rangers) Those players include (Rangers) Defense: Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Dan Boyle, Forward: Marty St. Louis, Carl Hagelin, Derick Brassard, Mats Zuccarello, Chris Kreider, JT Miller Goalie: Henrik Lundqvist

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 2 2014 8:25 am EST

Guys, this is my annual membership drive for the RFC Fantasy Hockey League at Yahoo! For the few uninitiated, this is a bragging rights league typically with 15- to 20 GMs that has been running for well over a decade now. We had 19 GMs last season, so I have AT LEAST one extra spot open this year. Usually, I have another couple teams open up, so I'm anticipating three vacant spots this year. Doesn't cost anything, there are no prizes and the only benefit you'll get is showing everyone else you're on your game. As of now, a live draft is scheduled for Sunday, Sept. 21, at 12 p.m. EST. Those who can't make the draft simply do their rankings ahead of time. Scoring in the league is rotisserie-style, meaning you get points based on where your team ranks among the rest of the league in a number of different categories. We're looking for GMs who keep a regular eye on their team and really all it requires is a few minutes a day or maybe a half-hour a week...Anyway, please email me at xitriton@yahoo.com if you're interested or have a friend interested. Teams are first-come, first-served, but any past GM who wants to return to the league will get preference. We'll be solidifying the teams a couple days before the draft, so speak now! And I'll apologize in advance: I'll be reposting this post periodically through the week.

tdchi


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:56 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/09/01/kevin-hayes-best-fit-rangers-starting-lineup/

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:53 pm EST

Theoretical expansion draft, who would the Rangers protect?.... http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/who_would_the_rangers_keep_in_a_theoretical_nhl_expansion_draft/17180318

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 4:08 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2014/8/31/6087671/new-york-rangers-dan-girardi-analysis

stevielegs


Mon Sep 1 2014 4:05 pm EST

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2181277-new-york-rangers-most-likely-to-end-up-in-minors-to-start-season?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-rangers

stevielegs


Mon Sep 1 2014 3:39 pm EST

Hi Guys, very sad to see the passing of Carol Vadnais, I had mixed emotions about him as Ranger, I hated the trade that brought him here, As I was a big fan of Brad Park. as I believe Park was one of the three best Ranger defenseman (obviously Brian Leetch and not so obviously Doug Harvey in a short sample size) plus was never a big fan of Phil Esposito before and during his Ranger career, but I was won over by the Play of Vadnais, he was a "stick man" in the mold of a guy like Pierre Pilote , and love the pairing of Vadnais and Dave Maloney on the late 70s Ranger teams, so rest in peace Carol Vadnais and my condolences to the Vadnais family.

Bathgate9


Mon Sep 1 2014 3:13 pm EST

Out Biking this morning using my NYR Cycling Jersey which invoked multiple "Rangers SUCK!" from other Cyclists....LOL. You can tell Summer is over.

MelvilleFred


Mon Sep 1 2014 11:15 am EST

TD... I've made this point before, but you can't just assume a players success with one particular team will translate when plugging him into another team. Before this season, Gaborik had done very little in the postseason(including the Rangers). In gabby's best postseason with the Rangers, he had 1 more point than Nash in 20 games and 2 more goals. I think that's the more fair comparison of the two. I will also say again that Lundqvist deserves his fair share of the blame for losing the cup finals. He failed to hold multiple leads in two separate games and didn't really dominate in any single game. Yes, we were only three OT goals away from winning the cup, but we got there by beating two backup goalies and a starter who has a history of folding in the playoffs(barely). Statistically speaking, there is very little chance of us going to the Finals again THIS season. Even if we kept last season's team together, all of the odds are against us. Lundqvist has to be the difference maker if we are going anywhere. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 1 2014 11:11 am EST

TD --absolutely agree that Nash did not perform well enough and that we would have had a better chance to win if he had put up points. But, even without Nash burying the chances he had....and he did have some prime opportunities that he got robbed on and also just didn't cash in on....the Rangers could have won the Cup regardless of his performance if we had gotten some breaks at key, key points in the series. We got absolutely none.....the hockey gods who got us there were like a verse from,"Luck Be A Lady Tonight." Anytime you lose as many OT games as we did, it shows that we could have actually won the series. That's why I won't rag on or scapegoat Nash or anyone else....in spite of his sub-par performance, the chance was still there if we had buried other chances in Multiple OTs, got a couple of calls, etc. The more I look back on the series, the more proud I am of the run they made....it was exciting, startling and a great run. Instead of blame for losing, I choose credit for winning all the games they did.

JFC31


Mon Sep 1 2014 10:04 am EST

JFC31 - I see this in a wholly different light. In my estimation, Rick NASH was brought to the Rangers to score goals. He gets paid $7.8 million to score goals...and he didn't do that very much in the playoffs or at all in the finals...KREIDER was a bonus last season...remember, he wasn't even on the opening day roster...and he was coming back from injury...and yet he was almost a point-per-game player...And he was a ROOKIE...My point, which I don't know how anyone can dispute, is that the Rangers without their top stars had a zero percent chance of winning against the Kings...Everyone else in the lineup showed up to play. Everyone else did their job. Nash didn't. Zero points...five games...four PIMs. If the Rangers had a sniper in that series scoring goals, the outcome would have been much different...plain and simple...If we had Gaborik instead of Nash, I think that series would have at least gone to seven games...but instead, Nash did his usual disappearing act...had one big game against the Habs and then vanished...Sure you can rag on Kreider for not making some pretty wide open shots...but at least he had those chances to miss...I couldn't even point to a game where Nash came close to scoring. He was a non-entity the entire series. Absent a PPG Rick Nash, the Rangers are going no where. It's a sad reality that will repeat itself this season if he goes into his usual funk.

tdchi


Mon Sep 1 2014 9:01 am EST

RR: I hated the Park for Espo trade but loved what Vad brought to the table in 79. He had the nickname Zorro cause he wouldn't drop the gloves but would use his stick to defend himself. Life is way to short.

jnyr


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